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general in this case

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>> all right.

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Good evening everyone.

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Will call the tuesday MAY 31st

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twenty twenty two meeting of

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the finance committee to order

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all members of the committee

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are present will stand please

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stand for the pledge of

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allegiance.

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One nation.

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Next item on the agenda is

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public comment and this is open

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to residents and folks that own

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property in the city of

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waukesha.

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So if there's folks that are

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here for public comment tonight

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,please come to the center

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microphone and if you'd give us

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your name and address and then

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you have three minutes to

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address the committee so anyone

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here for public comment?

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>> hi everybody.

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I think I've talked to all of

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you privately on the phone.

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My name is christina taft.

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My address is three three five

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oh wait this will help him.

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>> I know my address but my

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address is three three months

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old replumbed my address is

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three three five s heartwell

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avenue emulsify resident and my

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husband and I own two

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businesses in the downtown

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waukesha.

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>> I'm here tonight to show my

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support for the behavioral

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health responder program for

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verber.

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I'm sure you're aware we

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witnessed issues in the

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downtown area that are caused

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by mental health or addiction

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often in addition to the mental

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health or addiction issue.

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The individuals are homeless.

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our police department does a

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great job responding in various

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ways but they can only do so

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much by themselves.

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After all, being mentally ill,

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addicted or homeless is not a

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crime.

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I love the idea of having a non

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law enforcement behavioral

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professional to respond to

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mental and behavioral health

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crisis as we in full support of

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this program to aid our police

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department and our community

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and we hope you are too.

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I'd also like to thank you for

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considering the central city

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storefront program.

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I believe the program can help

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many building owners get the

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older buildings up to code as

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our businesses and downtown

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activities grow we take pride

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in the historic charm of our

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downtown buildings.

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However, as you MAY guess,

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retrofitting the older

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buildings with modern amenities

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can be pretty pricey.

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I own one building downtown and

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leased the there for our

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business.

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We recently had quotes done to

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determine the cost of

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sprinkling for both buildings.

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One building was quoted at one

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hundred and forty thousand

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dollars and the other at

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270000.

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Those quotes do not include

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repairing the street and

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sidewalk after lateral adequate

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for fire suppression is

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installed.

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additional cost to those things

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I wanted to share some real

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world numbers with you as you

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determine the funding for this

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program and how the funds would

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be dispersed.

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I would ask you to please

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consider doing a hybrid grant

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loan program for that so we can

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get a lot of those things up to

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code and and make the downtown

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businesses and buildings

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interior a little bit more

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modern while still keeping that

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historic downtown chen, thank

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you.

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>> great.

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Thank any other members of the

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public wish to speak before the

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committee ceiling.

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And again sir, if you'd please

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give us your name and address.

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Good evening.

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My name is keith klasky one

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zero zero nine lynn drive

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waukesha five three one eight

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six.

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I'm one of the owners of house

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of dennis pub downtown waukesha

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and would like to speak in

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favor of the behavioral health

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responder program.

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Everyone in the downtown area

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has their own stories about

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some of the homeless and and

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mentally challenged people that

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have decided to be in the area.

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So I'm not going to go into

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that.

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I would just like to say that

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having a family member that had

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mental challenges who is at

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this point deceased, I think

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that it would have helped us a

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lot as the family to have a

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program like this in place.

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>> I'd also like to speak in

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favor of the central city

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storefront program as with

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everything else contract costs

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are are skyrocketing.

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>> we're currently in the

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process of beautifying our

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interior.

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our initial quote changed by

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about 68000 dollars by the time

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they decided to give us a final

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quote because of their

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subcontractors and what they

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decided the pricing should be.

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>> that's made us have the pull

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back by about a third of what

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we wanted to do inside the

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building.

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>> we continue to discuss

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working with putting in a

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kitchen weekly.

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We get people asking if we can

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do sit down dinners at the pub

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The edge of the building

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doesn't help because we would

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have to actually raise the

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ceiling in the basement in

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order to put in the hood system

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necessary to vent.

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We are grateful for any support

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that we can get from the city

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to do these kinds of projects

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to update these older downtown

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buildings but we would really

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like to see it include grants

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and as well as low interest

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loans to help us move move the

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buildings long term to safety

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code and beautification.

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Thank you very much.

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Good evening.

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I know some of you I'm laura

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lau.

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I'm a circuit court judge for

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waukesha county.

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>> I'm here for the mental

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health responders program and

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the possibile of that being

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something that waukesha could

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use.

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>> I've been in the court

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system for just about 22 years,

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18 years is circuit court

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commissioner and coming up on

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four as a circuit court judge,

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I'm assigned only to criminal

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courts.

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>> so that's all I do for eight

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years I did emergency mental

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commitments so had a lot of

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definitely a lot of hands on

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with people that are having

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mental health issues.

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>> tell you a little bit about

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me because gives you some frame

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of reference.

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>> I'm waukesha chadbourne.

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My parents were born in

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waukesha.

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I graduated from north.

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My dad was a csc operator at

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waukesha engin my mom was a

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typesetter at the waukesha

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freeman.

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>> I share that with you

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because we went through some

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periods where if you've lived

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here for a long time the uh the

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factories in the foundries

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closed and we had a housing

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challenge and our family and we

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survived on surplus cheese and

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thrift store bread for several

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several years.

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>> I tell you that because I

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think my daughter is also a

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lawyer and it's been said to

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her she goes must be nice being

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born with a silver spoon in

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your mouth.

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>> and I think if you don't

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know if somebody is a journey

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you kind of don't understand

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where their passions lie.

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>> in addition to that, we've

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had some mental health

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challenges.

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I lost my husband who is a vice

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PRESIDENT At wuxia state bank

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to suicide.

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So those are things that have

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touched my life.

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>> I've been on non-profits for

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over 30 years and waukesha just

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finished as the PRESIDENT Of

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the nami board.

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>> I'm here because I

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understand and I've seen how

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waukesha has changed over you

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know I'm fifty nine you know,

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fifty nine years and the

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challenges that we have and as

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we're growing as a community

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and we have a definitely

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different socio economic

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situation that's coming into

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our community, it's wonderful,

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you know that we have nami who

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has the two people we have

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sunny and matt who are the you

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know the boots on the street

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during working hours.

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>> however they don't work

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nights.

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>> they don't work weekends and

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I I'll give you an example.

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>> christina had someone GOD

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bless her friday we had coffee

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that night she had someone that

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was basically kind of wandering

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around one of their businesses.

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>> she stopped to talk to that

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person, ended up driving him to

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the hospital which is something

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that she's been doing which you

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know, you really just can't do.

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>> it's not safe.

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And so she and I spoke

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afterwards and then we see

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capped him.

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He has over three screens and

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seekamp and I've actually had

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him in court before and he's

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not a criminal.

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>> he's somebody that has a

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mental health challenge.

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>> and so I think I don't have

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the solution for this.

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>> I really just became aware

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of this issue.

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>> but we've got to do

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something where we're bringing

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in people that you know, have

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that training.

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>> the police are overwhelmed.

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>> they're absolutely

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overwhelmed about 20 seconds.

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Ok, so you know, I really think

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that it's important that we

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incorporate someone our

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legislature passed a law like

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the emergency medical commands.

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>> now you have to have a

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mental health professional like

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that goes that's by law.

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>> I don't think we can wait

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for something like that.

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So I'm interested if you're

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going to put a task force

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together or anything like that,

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I would be more than happy to

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lend any assistance that I can.

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>> thank you.

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Thank you.

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Any other public wish to speak

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this evening?

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All right.

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Seeing none of them.

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We're going to move down to the

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last item on our agenda this

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evening.

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We have a number of folks staff

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and directors that are here for

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item number e which is

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discussion and possible action

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on the proposed plan for the

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arpa funds.

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>> with that I'll pass it to

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MR. Laner.

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Thank you.

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I'm getting logged in here so I

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just have a brief update from

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our previous meeting going over

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some of the changes that I made

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based upon the feedback I have

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a couple of slides and then I

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have a spreadsheet that I can

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share with you that shows the

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updates and then obviously we

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can have any sort of discussion

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we have additionally we have

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folks here to present

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additional information about

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economic study related to

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nootka park and so that was

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just recently completed and it

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kind of gives you a bigger,

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broader view of that project as

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well.

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So I only have a few slides but

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I just wanted to let you know

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kind of the direction that we

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that I went with the outline

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and of course just remind

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everybody that this is this is

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an outline it's not a cement

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and stone plan.

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It just kind of gives us a

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green light to start working on

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things in more detail and

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obviously things change if

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there's different priorities

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that come up along the way we

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will make adjustments as we go.

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>> so just in terms of what

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changed from the previous

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meeting based upon the feedback

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I we added an additional five

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hundred thousand to the storm

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water projects.

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Those are projects that are

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within our ship currently and

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as we were talking about it,

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number one, it's it's one of

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the called out eligible

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expenses and number two, we

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have a long term study related

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to stormwater issues that we

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are working through the city

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and so this would just dedicate

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more funds to those issues and

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addressing areas that are prone

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to flooding and things like

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that throughout the city and

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just add a little bit more and

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get those things done a little

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more quickly than we otherwise

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would have plus obviously not

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showing debt for those

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projects.

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I added a line for capital

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projects and so this would just

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be something to that would be

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non debt revenue that we could

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apply to whatever capital

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project that we chose that's

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within the sipi currently it

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could be a road project, could

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be any sort of project that we

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would like to do.

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I'm related to that and again

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it would just offset any sort

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of debt that we'd have to issue

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for those projects, increase

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the the central city storefront

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program to eight hundred

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thousand.

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It was previously five hundred

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thousand and so those are the

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some of the things that I did

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in terms of updating the

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funding remove the electric

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vehicles project and I want to

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make sure that folks know that

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we didn't do it because we

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don't think that there's value

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in but in working with john

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from the city garage there is a

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lot of federal funds that are

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coming in to electric vehicles

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in other ways, specifically

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carbon reduction grant program

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is one that is out there and

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there's just and there's other

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grant funding programs that I

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think that if we're going to go

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down that road it would be a

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better vehicle for that.

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I do think that it's something

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that we do need to continue to

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explore because it is where a

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lot of the vehicles are going

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and that we should get a handle

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on stuff like cost of ownership

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and the utility for our

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purposes and stuff like that.

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But we have removed that from

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this arpa outline and are

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exploring other grant programs

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for that the broadband network

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again it's we think that

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there's a lot of value there

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but the the the cost of running

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the the system the operating

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cost really we put a burden on

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us from a tax levy standpoint,

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an operating budget standpoint.

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I'd like to find a ways to

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generate some additional

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revenue from it so I wouldn't

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call that a dead project.

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If we can find partners where

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we can offset our operating

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costs in some way and we'll

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continue to explore we have

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been talking to the school

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district pretty regularly but

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we haven't found a way to to to

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get there on operating costs so

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we wouldn't want to put that

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burden on our operating revenue

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and so that we took out for now

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and then we took out the

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streetscapes project on white

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rock avenue as well.

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So just really the summary if

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you look at it you could break

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it down into broad categories.

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We have two point two million

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going into public safety

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programs, some stuff that we

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already approved and then an

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additional things that we

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outlined previously.

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We have four point four million

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going into capital projects and

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one of those is the manocha

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project which is a revenue

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generating project in the long

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term we have one point five

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million going into economic

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development, one point seven

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million going into affordable

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housing and eight hundred

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ninety one thousand going into

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sustainability efficiency

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programs.

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And so I'm going to switch my

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screen here and just kind of

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show you what that looks like

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on our spreadsheet.

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So you know what and I I failed

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in terms of I did not introduce

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my sidekick tonight.

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>> this is britain, a future

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city administrator.

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he's just come in to fill

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figure out how it feels to sit

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up here so no pressure be so so

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we have on the spreadsheet

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those are the changes I've I've

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outlined them down here in

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terms of what we change and

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what we added increased but

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it's the same dollar amounts

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the allocation numbers in terms

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of when they were being

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allocated changed just a little

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bit based on some feedback.

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But other than that we did we

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have the error shade project

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that's still here.

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The mindiola project that the

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led conversions, the snow

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melter as I mentioned the store

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the central city store front

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activation project which we

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increased the project the

523
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economic development project

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the we already discussed public

525
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safety here the pds or changes

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babri else responder again and

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so on.

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And so based upon that feedback

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those are the changes that I

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made and I know that you

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requested some additional

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information regarding some of

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these things and I know the

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folks that did the economic

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development study around

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minicar here mindiola excuse me

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adeola are here to present

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their information as well and I

539
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don't know if you want to go to

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the presentation first I can

541
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ask answer questions.

542
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It's up to you guys.

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Yeah I guess I'd bring it back

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to the committee and I think

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just in the interest of folks

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that are here tonight maybe it

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would be ok to shift to the

548
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minneola presentation and then

549
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we can kind of take questions

550
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from there because I know that

551
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something that we asked for.

552
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>> so ron, if you wanted to

553
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come up and kind of take us

554
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through the mindiola project,

555
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the floor is yours.

556
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Thank you, kevin.

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>> thank you.

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Paul ryan piper in the

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committee.

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>> I'll I'll do a preamble to

561
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the presentation to kind of

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walk you through what we know

563
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to try to cover and do as

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concisely as possible.

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>> I had asked jennifer andrews

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community development director

567
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to speak tonight give us some

568
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background on when we really

569
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started talking more seriously

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about developmental a complex

571
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over minneola and back in 2000

572
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there was I should say in back

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in 2020 there was a study that

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was done by uw.

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>> I am planning urban planning

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department and I think that

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does a nice job.

578
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>> and jennifer is going to

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briefly nick on that how the

580
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discussion started with

581
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revitalizing sunset drive

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especially that center corridor

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section of sunset drive and we

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I think we all agree needs some

585
00:19:14,259 --> 00:19:14,993
of the attention and and most

586
00:19:14,993 --> 00:19:17,393
importantly what was identified

587
00:19:18,363 --> 00:19:19,310
with that is that this type of

588
00:19:19,310 --> 00:19:19,398
complex development would be

589
00:19:19,398 --> 00:19:21,398
excellent.

590
00:19:22,434 --> 00:19:22,768
Catullus for revitalizing that

591
00:19:22,768 --> 00:19:24,768
area.

592
00:19:25,906 --> 00:19:27,730
So I will start with with

593
00:19:27,730 --> 00:19:29,977
jennifer to touch on that study

594
00:19:29,977 --> 00:19:33,180
from ibm and then we have MR.

595
00:19:33,180 --> 00:19:35,580
Brian dowling from johnson

596
00:19:44,292 --> 00:19:45,590
consulting, the recently

597
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:46,227
completed the economic impact

598
00:19:46,227 --> 00:19:46,695
study which takes that uw study

599
00:19:46,695 --> 00:19:47,829
a step further.

600
00:19:47,829 --> 00:19:48,630
And here the focus is on the

601
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:49,364
actual complex and what impact

602
00:19:49,364 --> 00:19:51,764
that complex would have

603
00:19:53,102 --> 00:19:54,690
financially for the community

604
00:19:54,690 --> 00:19:56,439
and then certainly be here to

605
00:19:56,439 --> 00:19:57,707
entertain any questions.

606
00:19:57,707 --> 00:20:00,477
The wrap it up as far as the

607
00:20:00,477 --> 00:20:01,945
park timing, whatever.

608
00:20:01,945 --> 00:20:04,915
>> I do want to add that we did

609
00:20:04,915 --> 00:20:07,918
have a letter of support from

610
00:20:07,918 --> 00:20:08,886
the waukesha pewaukee

611
00:20:08,886 --> 00:20:11,286
convention visitors bureau as

612
00:20:12,890 --> 00:20:13,324
well that came out kind of

613
00:20:13,324 --> 00:20:15,227
eleventh hour.

614
00:20:15,227 --> 00:20:16,930
>> so if you didn't catch that

615
00:20:16,930 --> 00:20:17,162
,I apologize for that.

616
00:20:17,162 --> 00:20:19,965
>> so certainly there's a lot

617
00:20:19,965 --> 00:20:20,265
of excitement from that area as

618
00:20:20,265 --> 00:20:22,265
well.

619
00:20:23,435 --> 00:20:26,435
>> so with that jennifer, if

620
00:20:27,340 --> 00:20:28,108
you could come on up jennifer

621
00:20:28,108 --> 00:20:31,108
if you could just introduce

622
00:20:31,644 --> 00:20:32,412
yourself for the folks at home

623
00:20:32,412 --> 00:20:33,112
that became jennifer andrews

624
00:20:33,112 --> 00:20:35,248
and the community development

625
00:20:35,248 --> 00:20:36,383
director for the city waukesha.

626
00:20:36,383 --> 00:20:39,383
And when there is discussion

627
00:20:39,487 --> 00:20:40,320
about moving minor league

628
00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,720
baseball into mindiola park

629
00:20:43,958 --> 00:20:46,928
that part of sunset really came

630
00:20:46,928 --> 00:20:47,829
to the attention in the

631
00:20:47,829 --> 00:20:48,196
forefront of the redevelopment

632
00:20:48,196 --> 00:20:48,963
authority.

633
00:20:48,963 --> 00:20:51,167
>> and so although baseball

634
00:20:51,167 --> 00:20:51,867
didn't move forward, there was

635
00:20:51,867 --> 00:20:54,770
a secondary plan of developing

636
00:20:54,770 --> 00:20:55,438
the park into a soccer complex

637
00:20:55,438 --> 00:20:58,207
and in the meantime the

638
00:20:58,207 --> 00:20:59,208
redevelopment authority became

639
00:20:59,208 --> 00:21:02,312
more engaged in how can we

640
00:21:02,312 --> 00:21:03,279
improve the area and bolster

641
00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:06,279
some redevelopment in the area

642
00:21:06,984 --> 00:21:07,717
recognizing that there had been

643
00:21:07,717 --> 00:21:09,620
some vacancy and some continued

644
00:21:09,620 --> 00:21:10,387
decline in long sunset drive

645
00:21:10,387 --> 00:21:12,787
between grand and prairie.

646
00:21:13,924 --> 00:21:14,492
>> so in anticipation of the

647
00:21:14,492 --> 00:21:15,259
parks project in the

648
00:21:15,259 --> 00:21:17,659
redevelopment of mindiola park

649
00:21:18,620 --> 00:21:21,266
which I thought was an economic

650
00:21:21,266 --> 00:21:22,233
driver we engaged with uw to

651
00:21:22,233 --> 00:21:23,340
look at the area and provide

652
00:21:23,340 --> 00:21:25,638
some suggestions back to the

653
00:21:25,638 --> 00:21:26,505
redevelopment authority and

654
00:21:26,505 --> 00:21:27,306
they provided a report and we

655
00:21:27,306 --> 00:21:29,875
had a nice discussion during

656
00:21:29,875 --> 00:21:30,643
covid over zoome about their

657
00:21:30,643 --> 00:21:33,430
report but basically they

658
00:21:33,746 --> 00:21:34,748
outlined zoning updates that

659
00:21:34,748 --> 00:21:37,717
could be made adaptive reuse of

660
00:21:37,717 --> 00:21:38,418
particular buildings and they

661
00:21:38,418 --> 00:21:39,520
also identified street scaping

662
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,452
and wayfinding as an

663
00:21:41,955 --> 00:21:42,757
opportunity for city investment

664
00:21:42,757 --> 00:21:45,627
to start to enhance the area

665
00:21:45,627 --> 00:21:46,394
and by doing those things

666
00:21:46,394 --> 00:21:48,794
believing along with the

667
00:21:49,597 --> 00:21:50,465
improvements mindiola park they

668
00:21:50,465 --> 00:21:50,865
believe that that would attract

669
00:21:50,865 --> 00:21:52,865
investment.

670
00:21:53,835 --> 00:21:54,703
New businesses, new to

671
00:21:54,703 --> 00:21:57,103
redevelopment projects to the

672
00:21:57,473 --> 00:21:58,407
area.

673
00:21:58,407 --> 00:21:59,208
>> so after we went through

674
00:21:59,208 --> 00:22:01,543
that project we community

675
00:22:01,543 --> 00:22:02,311
development redevelopment

676
00:22:02,311 --> 00:22:04,711
authority jointly with the

677
00:22:05,281 --> 00:22:06,149
parks department engaged

678
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:08,549
brandon dowling in johnson

679
00:22:09,152 --> 00:22:09,853
consulting to do an economic

680
00:22:09,853 --> 00:22:12,253
development an economic impact

681
00:22:12,689 --> 00:22:13,724
study for us.

682
00:22:13,724 --> 00:22:14,691
>> so we're just trying to put

683
00:22:14,691 --> 00:22:17,194
the pieces together to see how

684
00:22:17,194 --> 00:22:20,298
much impact this could have and

685
00:22:20,298 --> 00:22:21,650
also what kind of businesses or

686
00:22:21,650 --> 00:22:21,866
development we should be

687
00:22:21,866 --> 00:22:22,167
focused on to attract to the

688
00:22:22,167 --> 00:22:24,167
area.

689
00:22:24,636 --> 00:22:25,637
>> what makes the most sense if

690
00:22:25,637 --> 00:22:28,540
this is going to be a soccer

691
00:22:28,540 --> 00:22:29,175
complex and so we engage

692
00:22:29,175 --> 00:22:29,908
johnson consulting and

693
00:22:29,908 --> 00:22:30,743
brandon's here tonight and he's

694
00:22:30,743 --> 00:22:32,912
going to walk through his

695
00:22:32,912 --> 00:22:34,460
presentation.

696
00:22:34,460 --> 00:22:34,680
We did do this in front of the

697
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:34,981
redevelopment authority as

698
00:22:34,981 --> 00:22:36,981
well.

699
00:22:37,116 --> 00:22:37,917
So I know a little bit familiar

700
00:22:37,917 --> 00:22:38,918
with that but that's a little

701
00:22:38,918 --> 00:22:41,287
bit of the background of how we

702
00:22:41,287 --> 00:22:45,125
got here to this part of the

703
00:22:45,125 --> 00:22:45,659
presentation with the economic

704
00:22:45,659 --> 00:22:47,659
development studies.

705
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,904
>> so brandon, not sure if I

706
00:22:55,904 --> 00:22:56,438
have control here so I'm going

707
00:22:56,438 --> 00:22:58,438
to talk loud.

708
00:22:58,807 --> 00:22:59,941
That's ok with you all.

709
00:22:59,941 --> 00:23:02,911
>> maybe one and one second.

710
00:23:02,911 --> 00:23:03,679
And sir, could you please

711
00:23:03,679 --> 00:23:04,447
introduce yourself for sure

712
00:23:04,447 --> 00:23:08,470
that my name is brandon darling

713
00:23:10,287 --> 00:23:11,540
and with johnson consulting I'm

714
00:23:11,540 --> 00:23:11,554
not sure if I have.

715
00:23:11,554 --> 00:23:13,554
>> sure.

716
00:23:13,790 --> 00:23:14,691
Yeah, I just want to be able to

717
00:23:14,691 --> 00:23:15,726
brand and I think I think brad

718
00:23:15,726 --> 00:23:16,994
can come out and see if we can

719
00:23:16,994 --> 00:23:17,327
get that up on the screen here

720
00:23:17,327 --> 00:23:18,162
.

721
00:23:18,162 --> 00:23:20,562
>> it's on my screen.

722
00:23:21,499 --> 00:23:22,500
I don't not advance it guess

723
00:23:22,500 --> 00:23:25,503
what it from here instead of

724
00:23:25,503 --> 00:23:29,700
that I still want to sit in

725
00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:29,341
front of that please sit it's

726
00:23:29,341 --> 00:23:30,175
fine.

727
00:23:30,175 --> 00:23:30,942
Ok fine brenda and that

728
00:23:30,942 --> 00:23:33,942
microphone right there to your

729
00:23:34,780 --> 00:23:35,547
to your left there should be a

730
00:23:35,547 --> 00:23:36,148
look that's that's good.

731
00:23:36,148 --> 00:23:36,649
>> thank you.

732
00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:38,649
All right.

733
00:23:39,385 --> 00:23:40,187
Well good evening and thank you

734
00:23:40,187 --> 00:23:42,755
again for having me here today

735
00:23:42,755 --> 00:23:43,623
again brandon darling johnson

736
00:23:43,623 --> 00:23:46,623
consulting I am a principal

737
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:47,728
with the firm just a little bit

738
00:23:47,728 --> 00:23:50,564
about us and who we are.

739
00:23:50,564 --> 00:23:51,231
We were started about

740
00:23:51,231 --> 00:23:52,660
twenty seven years ago.

741
00:23:52,660 --> 00:23:54,466
We specialize in market

742
00:23:54,835 --> 00:23:55,437
financial feasibility studies

743
00:23:55,437 --> 00:23:57,437
particularly for public

744
00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:58,740
assembly type fagon venue.

745
00:23:58,740 --> 00:24:00,740
So convention centers,

746
00:24:01,677 --> 00:24:02,277
conference centers,

747
00:24:02,277 --> 00:24:04,277
recreational facilities,

748
00:24:06,248 --> 00:24:06,982
stadiums, arenas as well as the

749
00:24:06,982 --> 00:24:09,618
mixed use developments that are

750
00:24:09,618 --> 00:24:09,952
usually sprouting around those

751
00:24:09,952 --> 00:24:11,188
.

752
00:24:11,188 --> 00:24:13,991
And so I led our effort on this

753
00:24:13,991 --> 00:24:14,992
economic impact study that

754
00:24:14,992 --> 00:24:17,930
we're here to kind of share a

755
00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:18,161
brief summary and help share a

756
00:24:18,161 --> 00:24:20,731
little bit of our findings from

757
00:24:20,731 --> 00:24:21,665
that analysis.

758
00:24:21,665 --> 00:24:22,633
Pretty familiar with the area

759
00:24:22,633 --> 00:24:25,337
we're based out of chicago just

760
00:24:25,337 --> 00:24:26,103
recently a few different venues

761
00:24:26,103 --> 00:24:28,503
here regionally the marquette

762
00:24:29,107 --> 00:24:31,107
university athletic performance

763
00:24:32,644 --> 00:24:33,378
facility as well as the new

764
00:24:33,378 --> 00:24:35,378
stadium in franklin.

765
00:24:36,548 --> 00:24:37,316
So we we helped with both those

766
00:24:37,316 --> 00:24:38,830
market and financial

767
00:24:38,830 --> 00:24:39,852
feasibility studies for those

768
00:24:39,852 --> 00:24:40,987
venues.

769
00:24:40,987 --> 00:24:42,540
So just jumping right in I

770
00:24:42,540 --> 00:24:44,458
thought I kind of give a brief

771
00:24:44,458 --> 00:24:46,858
overview of our scope.

772
00:24:48,328 --> 00:24:49,195
>> it was in essence really to

773
00:24:49,195 --> 00:24:52,195
assess what the concept and

774
00:24:52,499 --> 00:24:55,499
program was put forth for

775
00:24:56,403 --> 00:24:57,204
minneola park and part of our

776
00:24:57,204 --> 00:24:58,873
work was really jumping in and

777
00:24:58,873 --> 00:24:59,707
understanding what the market

778
00:24:59,707 --> 00:25:02,107
opportunity the demographic in

779
00:25:03,244 --> 00:25:04,450
the area is and leveraging that

780
00:25:04,450 --> 00:25:04,813
and understanding sort of what

781
00:25:04,813 --> 00:25:07,213
the regional and competitive

782
00:25:08,383 --> 00:25:10,887
marketplace MAY look like and

783
00:25:10,887 --> 00:25:11,654
then from there really

784
00:25:11,654 --> 00:25:14,540
articulating what the overall

785
00:25:14,957 --> 00:25:15,992
economic impact could be.

786
00:25:15,992 --> 00:25:16,259
So this is should be nothing

787
00:25:16,259 --> 00:25:18,259
new.

788
00:25:19,362 --> 00:25:20,970
The overall concern of what the

789
00:25:20,970 --> 00:25:22,497
redevelopment for mindiola park

790
00:25:23,533 --> 00:25:24,334
would be so this is sort of

791
00:25:24,334 --> 00:25:26,637
what we analyze from a number

792
00:25:26,637 --> 00:25:26,971
of fields and the overall scope

793
00:25:26,971 --> 00:25:28,206
.

794
00:25:28,206 --> 00:25:30,675
You know, one of the things I

795
00:25:30,675 --> 00:25:31,776
think we shared early on is

796
00:25:31,776 --> 00:25:34,579
sort of the limitation of the

797
00:25:34,579 --> 00:25:35,347
site and in terms of the number

798
00:25:35,347 --> 00:25:38,483
of fields and size of fields

799
00:25:38,483 --> 00:25:39,285
and so you'll see in a lot of

800
00:25:39,285 --> 00:25:39,818
our numbers I would say we're

801
00:25:39,818 --> 00:25:41,818
probably culturally

802
00:25:42,521 --> 00:25:43,222
conservative just by way of

803
00:25:43,222 --> 00:25:43,989
background some of these other

804
00:25:43,989 --> 00:25:46,492
facilities and you'll see in

805
00:25:46,492 --> 00:25:47,293
the case studies are much

806
00:25:47,293 --> 00:25:47,693
larger size and scope in terms

807
00:25:47,693 --> 00:25:49,693
of acreage.

808
00:25:50,498 --> 00:25:53,900
>> I think you all have about

809
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:54,801
20 acres of some sort you know

810
00:25:54,801 --> 00:25:55,569
,traditionally we could see

811
00:25:55,569 --> 00:25:57,137
these in the range of eighty.

812
00:25:57,137 --> 00:25:57,438
We just finished one on 380

813
00:25:57,438 --> 00:25:58,572
acres.

814
00:25:58,572 --> 00:26:01,542
>> so sports tourism is in

815
00:26:01,542 --> 00:26:02,210
itself kind of bringing

816
00:26:02,210 --> 00:26:04,610
visitors towards the sporty

817
00:26:05,847 --> 00:26:06,715
sports events has really boomed

818
00:26:06,715 --> 00:26:09,180
kind of growing from the

819
00:26:09,180 --> 00:26:10,850
original recession in 2008 and

820
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:13,550
continuing to grow year over

821
00:26:13,550 --> 00:26:14,189
year.

822
00:26:14,189 --> 00:26:15,900
Just a snapshot of some of the

823
00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:17,490
key characteristics and I'll

824
00:26:17,593 --> 00:26:18,494
highlight this graph a little

825
00:26:18,494 --> 00:26:21,631
bit real quick on the right and

826
00:26:21,631 --> 00:26:22,499
kind of qualify why we look at

827
00:26:22,499 --> 00:26:25,301
these three areas, if you will,

828
00:26:25,301 --> 00:26:26,103
the orange the baby blue and

829
00:26:26,103 --> 00:26:28,105
the navy blue the thirty minute

830
00:26:28,105 --> 00:26:28,872
hour and a half for our

831
00:26:28,872 --> 00:26:31,272
effectively your three segments

832
00:26:33,770 --> 00:26:33,978
that we analyze the thirty and

833
00:26:33,978 --> 00:26:34,412
it being sort of your primary

834
00:26:34,412 --> 00:26:35,380
target market.

835
00:26:35,380 --> 00:26:36,548
What we found at a national

836
00:26:36,548 --> 00:26:37,315
level is mom dad caretaker are

837
00:26:37,315 --> 00:26:40,118
not going to travel greater

838
00:26:40,118 --> 00:26:40,986
than that four weekday

839
00:26:40,986 --> 00:26:43,986
practices and games and events

840
00:26:44,690 --> 00:26:45,391
the hour and a half is more

841
00:26:45,391 --> 00:26:48,361
sort of your regional draw

842
00:26:48,361 --> 00:26:49,280
daytrippers and for our is

843
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,428
likely your overnight larger

844
00:26:52,231 --> 00:26:53,267
tournament demand.

845
00:26:53,267 --> 00:26:54,167
So you're just looking at sort

846
00:26:54,167 --> 00:26:56,537
of the historical and the

847
00:26:56,537 --> 00:26:58,537
projected population growth

848
00:26:59,940 --> 00:27:00,474
fairly consistent on a national

849
00:27:00,474 --> 00:27:01,642
average.

850
00:27:01,642 --> 00:27:02,643
You know, one of the things i

851
00:27:02,643 --> 00:27:04,612
think is unique as you all MAY

852
00:27:04,612 --> 00:27:05,413
know is the density that you're

853
00:27:05,413 --> 00:27:08,217
able to pull from in particular

854
00:27:08,217 --> 00:27:08,717
just from an hour drive time.

855
00:27:08,717 --> 00:27:09,450
Right.

856
00:27:09,450 --> 00:27:10,418
That's a pretty significant

857
00:27:10,418 --> 00:27:11,587
number when we look at these on

858
00:27:11,587 --> 00:27:12,254
a national level mainly given

859
00:27:12,254 --> 00:27:13,822
the major metropolitan areas

860
00:27:13,822 --> 00:27:16,822
that you all are our

861
00:27:18,595 --> 00:27:21,897
neighboring and the other is as

862
00:27:21,897 --> 00:27:22,965
median household income these

863
00:27:22,965 --> 00:27:25,965
types of venues really lend

864
00:27:26,369 --> 00:27:27,237
themselves to disposable income

865
00:27:27,237 --> 00:27:30,237
given if you're, you know,

866
00:27:30,407 --> 00:27:31,740
catering towards sports tourism

867
00:27:31,740 --> 00:27:33,377
really from a travel

868
00:27:33,377 --> 00:27:34,378
standpoint, you know, this

869
00:27:34,378 --> 00:27:37,181
venue I think is going to be

870
00:27:37,181 --> 00:27:38,249
largely local recreational with

871
00:27:38,249 --> 00:27:41,452
the ability to host smaller I

872
00:27:41,452 --> 00:27:42,587
would say regional tournaments.

873
00:27:42,587 --> 00:27:44,689
>> and so you'll see this in

874
00:27:44,689 --> 00:27:45,791
some of our projections one of

875
00:27:45,791 --> 00:27:48,760
the areas and it kind of speaks

876
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:49,528
to what jennifer talking about

877
00:27:49,528 --> 00:27:52,528
hotels when we analyze the

878
00:27:52,732 --> 00:27:53,432
market there is about eight

879
00:27:53,432 --> 00:27:55,902
hundred and twenty one there's

880
00:27:55,902 --> 00:27:56,769
about another 300 I

881
00:27:56,769 --> 00:27:59,169
understanding coming in the

882
00:28:00,373 --> 00:28:01,410
pipeline just overall that's a

883
00:28:01,410 --> 00:28:01,842
little light especially if

884
00:28:01,842 --> 00:28:04,411
you're going to be bringing the

885
00:28:04,411 --> 00:28:05,790
number of visitors that we

886
00:28:05,790 --> 00:28:05,446
think this facility would be

887
00:28:05,446 --> 00:28:07,446
bringing.

888
00:28:08,182 --> 00:28:09,500
So in terms of identifying the

889
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:10,510
types of development that MAY

890
00:28:10,510 --> 00:28:11,919
make sense in terms of that

891
00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:14,319
redevelopment, some form of

892
00:28:15,523 --> 00:28:18,523
hotel component we think would

893
00:28:19,610 --> 00:28:19,795
be ideal and then obviously

894
00:28:19,795 --> 00:28:20,229
sort of the family

895
00:28:20,229 --> 00:28:21,970
entertainment.

896
00:28:21,970 --> 00:28:23,767
So these things have evolved to

897
00:28:23,767 --> 00:28:26,167
be replacements for vacations,

898
00:28:27,470 --> 00:28:28,271
if you will, until it's much

899
00:28:28,271 --> 00:28:28,604
more than just the venue

900
00:28:28,604 --> 00:28:29,472
itself.

901
00:28:29,472 --> 00:28:31,474
it's also sort of what there is

902
00:28:31,474 --> 00:28:32,242
to do in a town and the

903
00:28:32,242 --> 00:28:32,909
experience that they have and

904
00:28:32,909 --> 00:28:35,309
that's really what increases

905
00:28:35,613 --> 00:28:36,380
that trip from one trip to

906
00:28:36,380 --> 00:28:38,182
visiting a venue, you know,

907
00:28:38,182 --> 00:28:38,549
five years in a row if you will

908
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:39,350
.

909
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:42,153
Another avenue that we look

910
00:28:42,153 --> 00:28:43,321
into the statistics on the

911
00:28:43,321 --> 00:28:46,124
hotel side, you know, if you

912
00:28:46,124 --> 00:28:47,192
look at the overall occupancy

913
00:28:47,192 --> 00:28:47,559
70 percent and above is doing

914
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,559
excellent.

915
00:28:50,896 --> 00:28:51,763
So you guys have some growth

916
00:28:51,763 --> 00:28:54,763
opportunity in terms of the

917
00:28:54,901 --> 00:28:57,503
accuracy as well as the adr and

918
00:28:57,503 --> 00:28:58,337
that's the average daily rate.

919
00:28:58,337 --> 00:28:59,339
>> those are two strong

920
00:28:59,339 --> 00:29:01,741
indicators for us in terms of

921
00:29:01,741 --> 00:29:02,609
you the viability of something

922
00:29:02,609 --> 00:29:05,609
like this because in many

923
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:06,680
markets I shouldn't say many

924
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,680
but when you're closer to

925
00:29:09,683 --> 00:29:10,551
larger regional markets the adr

926
00:29:10,551 --> 00:29:13,551
is what could impact the

927
00:29:13,855 --> 00:29:14,856
success meaning you know, if

928
00:29:14,856 --> 00:29:16,724
the hotel room rate is too high

929
00:29:16,724 --> 00:29:17,625
it's going to limit your family

930
00:29:17,625 --> 00:29:18,593
in the visitors ability to kind

931
00:29:18,593 --> 00:29:20,996
of stay there for multiple days

932
00:29:20,996 --> 00:29:21,497
like four tournaments and

933
00:29:21,497 --> 00:29:22,497
things like that.

934
00:29:22,497 --> 00:29:24,700
>> so when we look at the

935
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:25,567
average in the occupancy we

936
00:29:25,567 --> 00:29:27,967
think both are opportunities

937
00:29:31,207 --> 00:29:32,241
for waukesha.

938
00:29:32,241 --> 00:29:34,345
Another element was we dug a

939
00:29:34,345 --> 00:29:35,612
little bit in terms of regional

940
00:29:35,612 --> 00:29:36,120
audit, in terms of some of the

941
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,120
facilities.

942
00:29:38,115 --> 00:29:39,160
A lot of these came through for

943
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:39,718
research and our primary

944
00:29:39,718 --> 00:29:42,118
database at johnson consulting

945
00:29:42,787 --> 00:29:46,387
as well as our discussions with

946
00:29:46,591 --> 00:29:47,458
several regional and local user

947
00:29:47,458 --> 00:29:50,458
groups to understand sort of

948
00:29:50,695 --> 00:29:51,363
where everyone was playing and

949
00:29:51,363 --> 00:29:54,363
what are the elite venues.

950
00:29:54,433 --> 00:29:55,401
So effectively these would be

951
00:29:55,401 --> 00:29:56,201
the venues that you would be

952
00:29:56,201 --> 00:29:57,537
competing with for some of

953
00:29:57,537 --> 00:29:58,604
these events.

954
00:29:58,604 --> 00:30:01,474
>> these are the four really or

955
00:30:01,474 --> 00:30:02,241
three I should say including

956
00:30:02,241 --> 00:30:03,900
minneola and the future

957
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:05,378
improvements or proposed future

958
00:30:05,378 --> 00:30:06,347
improvements.

959
00:30:06,347 --> 00:30:09,347
We did sort of benchmarking

960
00:30:09,583 --> 00:30:10,684
around those three segments to

961
00:30:10,684 --> 00:30:11,485
kind of give a sense of where

962
00:30:11,485 --> 00:30:13,654
you all would sit against some

963
00:30:13,654 --> 00:30:14,550
of your key competition in the

964
00:30:14,550 --> 00:30:16,550
marketplace.

965
00:30:17,158 --> 00:30:18,326
As I mentioned before, I think

966
00:30:18,326 --> 00:30:19,327
,you know, one of the strength

967
00:30:19,327 --> 00:30:21,830
is just a pure density from the

968
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:22,731
the site itself and we'll get

969
00:30:22,731 --> 00:30:25,333
into that a little bit later

970
00:30:25,333 --> 00:30:26,340
and what we did a sort of a

971
00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:28,434
market penetration summary for

972
00:30:28,538 --> 00:30:29,605
you all to kind of see what we

973
00:30:29,605 --> 00:30:33,900
think we can it'd be able to

974
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:33,877
attract and again, I think, you

975
00:30:33,877 --> 00:30:34,677
know, highlighting sort of the

976
00:30:34,677 --> 00:30:36,547
footprint as you could see it's

977
00:30:36,547 --> 00:30:36,880
one of the smaller of the

978
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,880
three.

979
00:30:39,917 --> 00:30:40,450
So the overall size is going to

980
00:30:40,450 --> 00:30:42,450
be a limitation.

981
00:30:43,954 --> 00:30:44,655
But I think through many of our

982
00:30:44,655 --> 00:30:47,655
discussions as you'll see here

983
00:30:47,658 --> 00:30:48,326
in some of these ballpoints we

984
00:30:48,326 --> 00:30:50,726
talked with wisconsin youth

985
00:30:51,729 --> 00:30:52,330
soccer association so it's the

986
00:30:52,330 --> 00:30:54,330
state association really

987
00:30:55,267 --> 00:30:56,268
understand sort of state wide

988
00:30:56,268 --> 00:30:57,169
where things are from a demand

989
00:30:57,169 --> 00:30:59,938
perspective and honed in in

990
00:30:59,938 --> 00:31:02,338
particular to the waukesha

991
00:31:03,442 --> 00:31:04,444
area, you know, sharing a

992
00:31:04,444 --> 00:31:05,311
little bit of what the proposed

993
00:31:05,311 --> 00:31:07,480
plan was with them to

994
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:08,481
understand.

995
00:31:08,481 --> 00:31:09,182
You know, is this something

996
00:31:09,182 --> 00:31:10,517
that could be utilized for

997
00:31:10,517 --> 00:31:11,384
statewide kamps tournaments,

998
00:31:11,384 --> 00:31:14,384
clinics in particular for the

999
00:31:14,888 --> 00:31:15,757
younger age group so you know,

1000
00:31:15,757 --> 00:31:18,659
you're some of your fields

1001
00:31:18,659 --> 00:31:19,660
would be smaller than a fall

1002
00:31:19,660 --> 00:31:22,530
2011 if you will, but you're

1003
00:31:22,530 --> 00:31:23,197
still fully capable of hosting

1004
00:31:23,197 --> 00:31:25,597
fairly decent size younger

1005
00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:29,100
youth and amateur's are seven

1006
00:31:29,705 --> 00:31:30,639
via sevens on those fields.

1007
00:31:30,639 --> 00:31:31,373
We talked to several in

1008
00:31:31,373 --> 00:31:33,773
particular one in milwaukee

1009
00:31:34,177 --> 00:31:37,513
wave group that you know really

1010
00:31:37,513 --> 00:31:38,281
are looking for additional

1011
00:31:38,281 --> 00:31:40,681
services in the marketplace.

1012
00:31:42,352 --> 00:31:45,655
So I would say two or three at

1013
00:31:45,655 --> 00:31:46,657
the least that we talk to were

1014
00:31:46,657 --> 00:31:50,610
interested in some sort of I

1015
00:31:50,610 --> 00:31:50,762
would say a partnership or

1016
00:31:50,762 --> 00:31:53,431
understanding how they can be

1017
00:31:53,431 --> 00:31:54,399
but we would call it anchor

1018
00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:57,399
tenant meaning they would, you

1019
00:31:57,402 --> 00:31:58,169
know, sort of allocate specific

1020
00:31:58,169 --> 00:31:59,205
dates and schedules.

1021
00:31:59,205 --> 00:32:01,473
You know, one team would have

1022
00:32:01,473 --> 00:32:02,341
monday, wednesday, friday

1023
00:32:02,341 --> 00:32:05,341
certain time period because of

1024
00:32:05,645 --> 00:32:06,412
the limitation of supply of

1025
00:32:06,412 --> 00:32:06,812
surfaces in the greater

1026
00:32:06,812 --> 00:32:07,580
marketplace.

1027
00:32:07,580 --> 00:32:09,649
That's been a challenge for a

1028
00:32:09,649 --> 00:32:10,617
lot of these organizations and

1029
00:32:10,617 --> 00:32:11,417
it's been a hindrance in their

1030
00:32:11,417 --> 00:32:13,820
opinion to some of their growth

1031
00:32:13,820 --> 00:32:15,210
as well because you know,

1032
00:32:15,210 --> 00:32:18,326
there's only so much to to grow

1033
00:32:18,326 --> 00:32:19,227
with the table on the right

1034
00:32:19,227 --> 00:32:21,829
kind of dives in a little bit

1035
00:32:21,829 --> 00:32:22,530
of what we characterize as

1036
00:32:22,530 --> 00:32:23,264
market penetration opportunity

1037
00:32:23,264 --> 00:32:24,432
and this is particularly for

1038
00:32:24,432 --> 00:32:27,432
your market and those three

1039
00:32:28,337 --> 00:32:28,937
segments again on a national

1040
00:32:28,937 --> 00:32:31,337
average we typically see

1041
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:33,575
anywhere from 30 percent on a

1042
00:32:33,575 --> 00:32:35,575
30 minute time ours.

1043
00:32:36,645 --> 00:32:37,880
Fifteen percent and seven.

1044
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,183
And so if you look at the beige

1045
00:32:40,183 --> 00:32:41,830
no, we're taking effectively in

1046
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:41,851
that 30 minute we're taking 30

1047
00:32:41,851 --> 00:32:44,220
percent of that number and

1048
00:32:44,220 --> 00:32:44,921
that's that number is the

1049
00:32:44,921 --> 00:32:47,321
taking population and applying

1050
00:32:48,291 --> 00:32:49,590
that towards the percent of

1051
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:51,459
population that participates in

1052
00:32:52,362 --> 00:32:53,164
soccer and the various funds

1053
00:32:53,164 --> 00:32:55,767
that could be held there and

1054
00:32:55,767 --> 00:32:56,634
giving us a total number and

1055
00:32:56,634 --> 00:32:57,335
then from there we're assuming

1056
00:32:57,335 --> 00:32:59,735
only 30 percent that number.

1057
00:33:00,305 --> 00:33:01,207
So again across the board I

1058
00:33:01,207 --> 00:33:01,973
think you'll find a lot of our

1059
00:33:01,973 --> 00:33:03,942
assumptions and numbers are

1060
00:33:03,942 --> 00:33:04,309
fairly conservative with

1061
00:33:04,309 --> 00:33:06,309
intention.

1062
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:08,948
You know these these things are

1063
00:33:08,948 --> 00:33:09,615
sort of early on when we're

1064
00:33:09,615 --> 00:33:12,180
involved and so there's a

1065
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:12,919
there's a whole host of things

1066
00:33:12,919 --> 00:33:14,988
that can can can be modified

1067
00:33:14,988 --> 00:33:15,355
and change the direction of

1068
00:33:15,355 --> 00:33:16,590
that.

1069
00:33:16,590 --> 00:33:19,590
And so, you know, large part

1070
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:19,726
based on a lot of our

1071
00:33:19,726 --> 00:33:20,727
discussion and research and

1072
00:33:20,727 --> 00:33:23,631
really diving into some of the

1073
00:33:23,631 --> 00:33:24,498
data that we have in-house, we

1074
00:33:24,498 --> 00:33:27,301
think that there's certainly a

1075
00:33:27,301 --> 00:33:28,690
fairly significant amount of

1076
00:33:28,690 --> 00:33:30,469
demand for the proposed

1077
00:33:30,638 --> 00:33:31,773
development.

1078
00:33:31,773 --> 00:33:35,373
So what that man really means

1079
00:33:35,544 --> 00:33:38,114
looking at this sorry you're a

1080
00:33:38,114 --> 00:33:39,181
little happy there.

1081
00:33:39,181 --> 00:33:39,849
This is the diagram on the left

1082
00:33:39,849 --> 00:33:41,851
to give us a little

1083
00:33:41,851 --> 00:33:42,752
illustration of sort of how and

1084
00:33:42,752 --> 00:33:45,752
the methodology of how we

1085
00:33:45,755 --> 00:33:46,890
arrive at these economic impact

1086
00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:47,123
numbers.

1087
00:33:47,123 --> 00:33:49,793
>> you had the venue itself.

1088
00:33:49,793 --> 00:33:50,760
You have folks that are coming

1089
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:51,610
in here directly spending their

1090
00:33:51,610 --> 00:33:51,928
money.

1091
00:33:51,928 --> 00:33:54,399
You have the indirect and

1092
00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:55,332
induced in one way.

1093
00:33:55,332 --> 00:33:58,336
We like to categorize that and

1094
00:33:58,336 --> 00:33:59,300
you'll see some of these rates

1095
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:01,706
for each of those areas

1096
00:34:01,706 --> 00:34:02,574
indirect induced an increased

1097
00:34:02,574 --> 00:34:03,374
those are from in-plant.

1098
00:34:03,374 --> 00:34:05,577
It's a nationally recognized

1099
00:34:05,577 --> 00:34:06,378
multiplier that produces and so

1100
00:34:06,378 --> 00:34:09,470
we apply that base off the

1101
00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:12,470
direct number that we produce

1102
00:34:13,687 --> 00:34:14,687
and so the way we like to

1103
00:34:14,687 --> 00:34:17,725
categorize it as a direct spend

1104
00:34:17,725 --> 00:34:18,491
is if I'm a parent and I'm

1105
00:34:18,491 --> 00:34:21,491
taking my children to the

1106
00:34:21,595 --> 00:34:22,362
sports complex, we are paying

1107
00:34:22,362 --> 00:34:25,990
five hundred dollars for the

1108
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:26,660
tournament that weekend that is

1109
00:34:26,660 --> 00:34:29,370
a direct spend to the city.

1110
00:34:29,370 --> 00:34:30,171
If we were to go to the local

1111
00:34:30,171 --> 00:34:33,474
pizzeria and I buy pizzas for

1112
00:34:33,474 --> 00:34:34,142
the whole team that's a sort of

1113
00:34:34,142 --> 00:34:37,142
an indirect spend to the

1114
00:34:37,145 --> 00:34:37,913
community so that those dollars

1115
00:34:37,913 --> 00:34:38,714
at that pizza place wouldn't

1116
00:34:38,714 --> 00:34:40,182
happen if it weren't for that

1117
00:34:40,182 --> 00:34:40,549
tournament that I was in town

1118
00:34:40,549 --> 00:34:41,684
for.

1119
00:34:41,684 --> 00:34:44,586
And the induced is really the

1120
00:34:44,586 --> 00:34:47,586
server that now had sold

1121
00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:48,758
fifteen pies that day that

1122
00:34:48,758 --> 00:34:49,559
because there was a major

1123
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:52,128
sports event in town and so

1124
00:34:52,128 --> 00:34:53,290
their tips are greater than

1125
00:34:53,290 --> 00:34:53,397
they would normally be if it

1126
00:34:53,397 --> 00:34:55,397
were not.

1127
00:34:55,399 --> 00:34:56,367
>> but for that event that

1128
00:34:56,367 --> 00:34:59,967
happened and so that's just a

1129
00:35:00,404 --> 00:35:01,405
sort of a discretionary way to

1130
00:35:01,405 --> 00:35:03,975
kind of explain each of those

1131
00:35:03,975 --> 00:35:05,975
definitions.

1132
00:35:08,213 --> 00:35:09,114
The next is really kind of a

1133
00:35:09,114 --> 00:35:11,683
high level and again really

1134
00:35:11,683 --> 00:35:12,351
conservative estimation of what

1135
00:35:12,351 --> 00:35:14,954
we think demand and events

1136
00:35:14,954 --> 00:35:16,210
could happen at this repropose

1137
00:35:16,210 --> 00:35:19,210
park including the addition of

1138
00:35:19,192 --> 00:35:20,930
additional fields we talked

1139
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:23,930
about early on and really

1140
00:35:23,263 --> 00:35:24,230
looking at what the overall

1141
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:26,199
year five number is that we

1142
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:26,967
hone in on you'll see that

1143
00:35:26,967 --> 00:35:27,835
quite a bit.

1144
00:35:27,835 --> 00:35:30,404
Year five is what traditionally

1145
00:35:30,404 --> 00:35:30,971
we see on a national level to

1146
00:35:30,971 --> 00:35:31,839
be stabilization.

1147
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:34,642
These things take a little bit

1148
00:35:34,642 --> 00:35:35,210
of time to get on the you know,

1149
00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:35,610
wisconsin youth soccer

1150
00:35:35,610 --> 00:35:37,610
association.

1151
00:35:38,580 --> 00:35:39,614
they've booked events two years

1152
00:35:39,614 --> 00:35:40,415
out, if you will, for their

1153
00:35:40,415 --> 00:35:42,318
camps and clinics and so it's

1154
00:35:42,318 --> 00:35:43,318
going to take time post

1155
00:35:43,318 --> 00:35:46,880
development for you all to land

1156
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,223
on that.

1157
00:35:47,223 --> 00:35:48,230
But they do over time have a

1158
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:49,291
ramp up period and that's what

1159
00:35:49,291 --> 00:35:52,891
you'll see across the board and

1160
00:35:52,996 --> 00:35:55,996
a lot of our projections

1161
00:35:56,167 --> 00:35:57,234
ultimately it is our projection

1162
00:35:57,234 --> 00:36:00,237
in previous just from a total

1163
00:36:00,237 --> 00:36:02,237
about roughly 17000 total

1164
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:05,209
spectators and participants

1165
00:36:05,209 --> 00:36:08,313
when we look at that from a

1166
00:36:08,313 --> 00:36:09,180
event day standpoint and that

1167
00:36:09,180 --> 00:36:12,180
in itself accounts for, you

1168
00:36:12,851 --> 00:36:13,652
know, several days on the camps

1169
00:36:13,652 --> 00:36:14,753
and clinics that are in town

1170
00:36:14,753 --> 00:36:16,540
for a greater than just one day

1171
00:36:16,540 --> 00:36:17,890
and not just day tripping.

1172
00:36:17,890 --> 00:36:19,459
So again in that year five

1173
00:36:19,459 --> 00:36:21,459
we're looking approximately

1174
00:36:23,663 --> 00:36:24,430
25000 folks in that's really

1175
00:36:24,430 --> 00:36:26,830
we're projecting would produce

1176
00:36:27,834 --> 00:36:29,834
approximately 6200 room nights.

1177
00:36:31,305 --> 00:36:32,272
>> so again, when we look that

1178
00:36:32,272 --> 00:36:32,873
and we talk about additional

1179
00:36:32,873 --> 00:36:34,873
and ancillary potential

1180
00:36:35,777 --> 00:36:36,977
catalyst development, we could

1181
00:36:36,977 --> 00:36:41,177
see where the hotel MAY be an

1182
00:36:42,217 --> 00:36:43,419
opportunity for you all to seek

1183
00:36:43,419 --> 00:36:46,521
in the last but not least is

1184
00:36:46,521 --> 00:36:46,855
really sort of a summary of all

1185
00:36:46,855 --> 00:36:47,723
this.

1186
00:36:47,723 --> 00:36:48,590
So understanding kind of what

1187
00:36:48,590 --> 00:36:50,893
those visitors and those date

1188
00:36:50,893 --> 00:36:53,893
nights and room nights look

1189
00:36:54,397 --> 00:36:55,465
like applying our average daily

1190
00:36:55,465 --> 00:36:57,267
spend if you will, for lodging

1191
00:36:57,267 --> 00:36:57,934
and meals and and it's

1192
00:36:57,934 --> 00:36:59,934
incidentals we're projecting

1193
00:37:01,404 --> 00:37:02,272
approximately in year five an

1194
00:37:02,272 --> 00:37:05,272
economic impact of three point

1195
00:37:05,709 --> 00:37:06,477
two million which would produce

1196
00:37:06,477 --> 00:37:08,877
again utilizing those numbers

1197
00:37:09,179 --> 00:37:09,847
from a multiplier standpoint

1198
00:37:09,847 --> 00:37:11,847
approximately nineteen full

1199
00:37:13,451 --> 00:37:14,519
time jobs and the equivalent of

1200
00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:17,519
about 47000 in tax revenue from

1201
00:37:17,523 --> 00:37:18,458
those sales.

1202
00:37:18,458 --> 00:37:21,458
>> so again these are all

1203
00:37:21,994 --> 00:37:22,761
annual numbers so so we sort of

1204
00:37:22,761 --> 00:37:25,831
hone in on that year five.

1205
00:37:25,831 --> 00:37:26,699
But again, as you it's hard to

1206
00:37:26,699 --> 00:37:27,700
see why in year one it's

1207
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:29,469
lighter and it grows and it

1208
00:37:29,469 --> 00:37:30,537
grows.

1209
00:37:30,537 --> 00:37:31,171
>> that's all indicative to the

1210
00:37:31,171 --> 00:37:32,572
overall demand that we're

1211
00:37:32,572 --> 00:37:33,674
projecting for the facility and

1212
00:37:33,674 --> 00:37:36,677
that I felt like it was a

1213
00:37:36,677 --> 00:37:37,711
really quick summary.

1214
00:37:37,711 --> 00:37:40,681
So please if any questions or

1215
00:37:40,681 --> 00:37:41,480
anything you'd like me

1216
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,490
elaborate.

1217
00:37:42,490 --> 00:37:42,450
I'm here to do the right thank

1218
00:37:42,450 --> 00:37:44,450
you brandon.

1219
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:45,953
I guess we'll certainly bring

1220
00:37:45,953 --> 00:37:46,755
it to the full committee to see

1221
00:37:46,755 --> 00:37:47,220
what questions they MAY have of

1222
00:37:47,220 --> 00:37:49,220
you.

1223
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:51,527
>> but I guess a couple that I

1224
00:37:51,527 --> 00:37:52,628
have off to to start is when

1225
00:37:52,628 --> 00:37:55,631
when a study like this is done

1226
00:37:55,631 --> 00:37:56,298
in a facility is built, how are

1227
00:37:56,298 --> 00:37:56,666
power numbers like this

1228
00:37:56,666 --> 00:37:58,666
validated?

1229
00:37:59,502 --> 00:38:00,370
>> how do you come back after

1230
00:38:00,370 --> 00:38:01,104
five years and give a

1231
00:38:01,104 --> 00:38:04,104
presentation to the council and

1232
00:38:05,142 --> 00:38:05,442
say hey, we were right, we were

1233
00:38:05,442 --> 00:38:06,510
wrong?

1234
00:38:06,510 --> 00:38:07,644
>> I mean how we only when the

1235
00:38:07,644 --> 00:38:08,612
right no.

1236
00:38:08,612 --> 00:38:09,213
Well what it's a great question

1237
00:38:09,213 --> 00:38:11,613
what does the validation

1238
00:38:11,749 --> 00:38:12,183
process and something like this

1239
00:38:12,183 --> 00:38:13,117
look like?

1240
00:38:13,117 --> 00:38:13,484
>> yeah no that's a great

1241
00:38:13,484 --> 00:38:14,619
question.

1242
00:38:14,619 --> 00:38:15,387
We get that quite a bit and

1243
00:38:15,387 --> 00:38:16,287
more in the private financing

1244
00:38:16,287 --> 00:38:19,157
world sort of I guess where

1245
00:38:19,157 --> 00:38:20,580
your question is is sort of

1246
00:38:20,580 --> 00:38:20,992
what is our variance in some of

1247
00:38:20,992 --> 00:38:22,861
our projections and so a lot of

1248
00:38:22,861 --> 00:38:23,662
that is actually going back and

1249
00:38:23,662 --> 00:38:24,529
looking at what we had

1250
00:38:24,529 --> 00:38:26,999
projected and how it all

1251
00:38:26,999 --> 00:38:27,633
effectively had performed post

1252
00:38:27,633 --> 00:38:29,633
development and ultimately

1253
00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:31,537
we've traditionally been within

1254
00:38:31,537 --> 00:38:34,537
that ten to fifteen percent

1255
00:38:34,541 --> 00:38:35,709
variance on numbers.

1256
00:38:35,709 --> 00:38:38,312
And so I guess that's a long

1257
00:38:38,312 --> 00:38:39,413
way of saying we have

1258
00:38:39,413 --> 00:38:40,414
continually do go back and look

1259
00:38:40,414 --> 00:38:42,983
at our numbers sort of post

1260
00:38:42,983 --> 00:38:45,383
development if the development

1261
00:38:46,988 --> 00:38:47,855
actually proceeds forward, I

1262
00:38:47,855 --> 00:38:50,855
would say, you know, again

1263
00:38:57,867 --> 00:38:58,234
we're doing feasibility studies

1264
00:38:58,234 --> 00:38:59,340
.

1265
00:38:59,340 --> 00:38:59,969
We're fairly early on.

1266
00:38:59,969 --> 00:39:00,670
We like to call ourselves the

1267
00:39:00,670 --> 00:39:00,970
the tip of the development

1268
00:39:00,970 --> 00:39:01,270
spear.

1269
00:39:01,270 --> 00:39:02,172
Right.

1270
00:39:02,172 --> 00:39:02,873
And there's a lot of steps and

1271
00:39:02,873 --> 00:39:03,507
zoning and design and capital

1272
00:39:03,507 --> 00:39:04,474
cost have to come next.

1273
00:39:04,474 --> 00:39:05,241
So you know, I would say

1274
00:39:05,241 --> 00:39:05,942
roughly anywhere from 20 to 30

1275
00:39:05,942 --> 00:39:06,643
percent of these venues are

1276
00:39:06,643 --> 00:39:07,344
actually moving forward from a

1277
00:39:07,344 --> 00:39:07,878
development standpoint because

1278
00:39:07,878 --> 00:39:10,278
they're so early on.

1279
00:39:10,414 --> 00:39:11,148
>> but we do go back and

1280
00:39:11,148 --> 00:39:12,983
actually fact check our numbers

1281
00:39:12,983 --> 00:39:13,317
and I another question,

1282
00:39:13,317 --> 00:39:14,351
brandon.

1283
00:39:14,351 --> 00:39:15,119
>> so the three point two

1284
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:17,388
million of economic impact

1285
00:39:17,388 --> 00:39:20,388
that's based upon the project

1286
00:39:20,892 --> 00:39:21,860
being fully built out that was

1287
00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:22,527
highlighted on one of the

1288
00:39:22,527 --> 00:39:22,861
earlier slides, is that

1289
00:39:22,861 --> 00:39:23,628
correct?

1290
00:39:23,628 --> 00:39:25,130
>> that is correct, yeah.

1291
00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:27,130
That's kosuga.

1292
00:39:28,768 --> 00:39:29,835
And then lastly the 47000

1293
00:39:29,835 --> 00:39:32,505
dollars in tax revenue I mean

1294
00:39:32,505 --> 00:39:33,539
the city doesn't the city

1295
00:39:33,539 --> 00:39:36,109
doesn't get a cut of the of the

1296
00:39:36,109 --> 00:39:37,143
of the sales tax.

1297
00:39:37,143 --> 00:39:37,744
>> so was that forty seven

1298
00:39:37,744 --> 00:39:38,278
thousand dollars is that

1299
00:39:38,278 --> 00:39:40,247
strictly sales tax?

1300
00:39:40,247 --> 00:39:41,315
That's purely yeah.

1301
00:39:41,315 --> 00:39:41,715
>> it's a five percent of the

1302
00:39:41,715 --> 00:39:43,715
state yeah.

1303
00:39:43,751 --> 00:39:44,685
Ok all right.

1304
00:39:44,685 --> 00:39:45,553
Other questions for for brandon

1305
00:39:45,553 --> 00:39:48,553
from the committee on the

1306
00:39:54,830 --> 00:39:55,897
presentation alderman lemcke,

1307
00:39:55,897 --> 00:39:58,897
was there anything in your

1308
00:39:59,535 --> 00:40:02,535
study to project property tax

1309
00:40:03,339 --> 00:40:06,339
growth because that's where the

1310
00:40:06,442 --> 00:40:07,410
city you know, revenue would

1311
00:40:07,410 --> 00:40:09,979
come from the increase in

1312
00:40:09,979 --> 00:40:10,681
property values around new

1313
00:40:10,681 --> 00:40:12,681
hotels, new construction,

1314
00:40:13,850 --> 00:40:15,850
something like that.

1315
00:40:15,850 --> 00:40:18,322
So as MR. Piper said, we don't

1316
00:40:18,322 --> 00:40:18,989
get any of sales tax revenue of

1317
00:40:18,989 --> 00:40:21,893
the state of wisconsin would

1318
00:40:21,893 --> 00:40:24,893
get that and whether complexes

1319
00:40:25,290 --> 00:40:25,897
in madison or eau claire,

1320
00:40:25,897 --> 00:40:27,132
oshkosh, they get the revenue.

1321
00:40:27,132 --> 00:40:29,535
>> it isn't going to change for

1322
00:40:29,535 --> 00:40:32,535
the state standpoint where the

1323
00:40:32,705 --> 00:40:33,772
pie is and waukesha is

1324
00:40:33,772 --> 00:40:35,675
concerned about, you know, how

1325
00:40:35,675 --> 00:40:36,643
is it going to revitalize our

1326
00:40:36,643 --> 00:40:37,343
district plus any of the

1327
00:40:37,343 --> 00:40:40,130
tournament money that we could

1328
00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:40,680
get from the parks department

1329
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:41,915
that would help.

1330
00:40:41,915 --> 00:40:44,651
But I was just kind of looking

1331
00:40:44,651 --> 00:40:45,452
at the redevelopment side what

1332
00:40:45,452 --> 00:40:48,220
growth that's going to help the

1333
00:40:48,220 --> 00:40:48,388
city of waukesha property

1334
00:40:48,388 --> 00:40:48,989
taxes?

1335
00:40:48,989 --> 00:40:49,790
>> sure.

1336
00:40:49,790 --> 00:40:52,930
No, that's great question.

1337
00:40:52,930 --> 00:40:52,894
Our our whole analysis was

1338
00:40:52,894 --> 00:40:55,797
absent of sort of what would

1339
00:40:55,797 --> 00:40:58,197
happen with property tax.

1340
00:41:02,771 --> 00:41:03,139
Other questions for brandon

1341
00:41:03,139 --> 00:41:04,390
brandon.

1342
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:04,640
>> thank you, joe.

1343
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,640
I thank you.

1344
00:41:07,411 --> 00:41:08,211
I wanted to make sure I mean we

1345
00:41:08,211 --> 00:41:10,213
mentioned in terms of taxes we

1346
00:41:10,213 --> 00:41:10,547
do get a cut of the hotel motel

1347
00:41:10,547 --> 00:41:11,714
tax.

1348
00:41:11,714 --> 00:41:14,518
So I mean as part of the state

1349
00:41:14,518 --> 00:41:14,885
law we get a cut of the hotel

1350
00:41:14,885 --> 00:41:16,885
motel tax.

1351
00:41:17,821 --> 00:41:18,989
so that was mentioned briefly

1352
00:41:18,989 --> 00:41:21,692
the thing so if there is new

1353
00:41:21,692 --> 00:41:22,693
hotels built then that would be

1354
00:41:22,693 --> 00:41:23,594
additional revenue to the city

1355
00:41:23,594 --> 00:41:26,231
as well as to the convention

1356
00:41:26,231 --> 00:41:27,198
and visitors visitors bureau

1357
00:41:27,198 --> 00:41:29,701
which also helps to bring more

1358
00:41:29,701 --> 00:41:30,536
group folks in to.

1359
00:41:30,536 --> 00:41:32,536
>> thank you, kevin.

1360
00:41:33,772 --> 00:41:34,473
Before we at brandon go into

1361
00:41:34,473 --> 00:41:37,473
any other questions from the

1362
00:41:37,477 --> 00:41:37,977
committee, brandon, thank you.

1363
00:41:37,977 --> 00:41:38,577
Thank you.

1364
00:41:38,577 --> 00:41:39,846
I appreciate it.

1365
00:41:39,846 --> 00:41:41,414
Certainly up to you but you MAY

1366
00:41:41,414 --> 00:41:41,914
want to stick around.

1367
00:41:41,914 --> 00:41:42,748
Who knows?

1368
00:41:42,748 --> 00:41:43,417
We MAY have some other

1369
00:41:43,417 --> 00:41:44,284
questions later on in the

1370
00:41:44,284 --> 00:41:45,552
discussion but I appreciate we

1371
00:41:45,552 --> 00:41:46,219
appreciate coming in and

1372
00:41:46,219 --> 00:41:46,587
presenting your material so

1373
00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:47,870
thank you.

1374
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:48,188
>> thank you.

1375
00:41:48,188 --> 00:41:49,323
Appreciate it.

1376
00:41:49,323 --> 00:41:52,192
Kevin, how would you like to

1377
00:41:52,192 --> 00:41:53,260
proceed from this point?

1378
00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:55,863
Well, I would just from my

1379
00:41:55,863 --> 00:41:56,631
perspective I'd like to get

1380
00:41:56,631 --> 00:41:57,498
some feedback from the

1381
00:41:57,498 --> 00:42:00,498
committee if this outline looks

1382
00:42:00,602 --> 00:42:01,469
acceptable with what we've done

1383
00:42:01,469 --> 00:42:04,720
or if you'd like some

1384
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:04,840
additional adjustments before

1385
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,544
you consider it for approval,

1386
00:42:07,544 --> 00:42:08,477
that's really where we're at.

1387
00:42:08,477 --> 00:42:11,477
There are there was some

1388
00:42:11,481 --> 00:42:12,248
questions about some cost

1389
00:42:12,248 --> 00:42:15,248
benefit of the snow melter.

1390
00:42:15,385 --> 00:42:15,919
So like that hasn't been

1391
00:42:15,919 --> 00:42:16,987
completed yet.

1392
00:42:16,987 --> 00:42:19,356
We haven't been able to do all

1393
00:42:19,356 --> 00:42:20,591
the data on that.

1394
00:42:20,591 --> 00:42:24,791
So in terms of doing the labor

1395
00:42:26,864 --> 00:42:27,832
costs of moving snow and that

1396
00:42:27,832 --> 00:42:28,132
analysis still needs to be

1397
00:42:28,132 --> 00:42:30,132
done.

1398
00:42:31,837 --> 00:42:32,537
But but we do want to try to

1399
00:42:32,537 --> 00:42:35,537
answer the questions that you

1400
00:42:35,540 --> 00:42:36,241
had and reflect some of the

1401
00:42:36,241 --> 00:42:36,808
changes that the committee was

1402
00:42:36,808 --> 00:42:38,808
discussing previously.

1403
00:42:39,111 --> 00:42:40,312
>> so I guess one question I

1404
00:42:40,312 --> 00:42:42,915
have is the you know and I know

1405
00:42:42,915 --> 00:42:43,417
you we remove some items and

1406
00:42:43,417 --> 00:42:45,417
things like that.

1407
00:42:46,452 --> 00:42:47,220
I guess the the million five in

1408
00:42:47,220 --> 00:42:47,554
capital projects at the very

1409
00:42:47,554 --> 00:42:49,554
bottom.

1410
00:42:49,689 --> 00:42:50,358
>> could you could you

1411
00:42:50,358 --> 00:42:51,359
highlight that a little bit

1412
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:54,959
more in terms of what your

1413
00:42:54,962 --> 00:42:55,262
ideas are for that one point

1414
00:42:55,262 --> 00:42:56,163
five?

1415
00:42:56,163 --> 00:42:57,264
And I guess my point is and

1416
00:42:57,264 --> 00:42:58,232
I'll certainly leave it to the

1417
00:42:58,232 --> 00:43:01,737
rest of the committee is I

1418
00:43:01,737 --> 00:43:02,370
don't know how much in terms of

1419
00:43:02,370 --> 00:43:03,204
firm recommendations this

1420
00:43:03,204 --> 00:43:05,807
committee wants to give the

1421
00:43:05,807 --> 00:43:06,475
council versus kind of leaving

1422
00:43:06,475 --> 00:43:06,775
something rather open ended.

1423
00:43:06,775 --> 00:43:08,775
Yeah.

1424
00:43:09,945 --> 00:43:10,713
So I was hoping that maybe you

1425
00:43:10,713 --> 00:43:13,115
could provide a little bit more

1426
00:43:13,115 --> 00:43:13,649
color around that one point

1427
00:43:13,649 --> 00:43:14,584
five million.

1428
00:43:14,584 --> 00:43:16,887
>> yeah so that's exactly what

1429
00:43:16,887 --> 00:43:17,687
the that was intended to do in

1430
00:43:17,687 --> 00:43:20,690
some respects is that this is

1431
00:43:20,690 --> 00:43:24,695
an outline so it's like a set

1432
00:43:24,695 --> 00:43:25,496
in stone plan but with that one

1433
00:43:25,496 --> 00:43:28,599
of the discussions that was had

1434
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:29,600
at the last meeting was you

1435
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:30,301
know we have a skype with a

1436
00:43:30,301 --> 00:43:32,770
bunch of capital projects and

1437
00:43:32,770 --> 00:43:33,671
it's why not not issue debt for

1438
00:43:33,671 --> 00:43:36,641
that and use these funds to

1439
00:43:36,641 --> 00:43:37,442
help offset the future tax

1440
00:43:37,442 --> 00:43:38,243
increases that are going to be

1441
00:43:38,243 --> 00:43:40,445
resulting of the debt that we

1442
00:43:40,445 --> 00:43:41,380
have to issue.

1443
00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:42,810
And so between this the one

1444
00:43:42,810 --> 00:43:43,983
point five for capital project

1445
00:43:43,983 --> 00:43:44,683
we could be used for any

1446
00:43:44,683 --> 00:43:47,387
capital projects that we have

1447
00:43:47,387 --> 00:43:51,190
on the books and plan for a

1448
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:52,458
road you know, a park facility

1449
00:43:52,458 --> 00:43:55,960
,whatever the case MAY be we

1450
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:55,997
could just use this instead and

1451
00:43:55,997 --> 00:43:59,400
then the other one point five

1452
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:00,234
for stormwater.

1453
00:44:00,234 --> 00:44:00,868
We have planned stormwater

1454
00:44:00,868 --> 00:44:03,268
projects nearly every year

1455
00:44:03,371 --> 00:44:04,205
every other year.

1456
00:44:04,205 --> 00:44:04,907
So again that would be

1457
00:44:04,907 --> 00:44:07,676
offsetting that debt that we'd

1458
00:44:07,676 --> 00:44:08,430
have to issue to do those

1459
00:44:08,430 --> 00:44:10,430
projects.

1460
00:44:10,646 --> 00:44:13,460
So you'd essentially not

1461
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:15,718
borrowing for the three million

1462
00:44:15,718 --> 00:44:16,719
those of those capital projects

1463
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,255
you wouldn't have to borrow for

1464
00:44:19,255 --> 00:44:22,825
the major equipment in the in

1465
00:44:22,825 --> 00:44:23,527
the snow melter and I still

1466
00:44:23,527 --> 00:44:26,527
can't believe that's a thing

1467
00:44:26,530 --> 00:44:30,730
but it's a cool thing and you

1468
00:44:30,734 --> 00:44:31,302
wouldn't be borrowing for the

1469
00:44:31,302 --> 00:44:33,702
m_nika project either.

1470
00:44:34,672 --> 00:44:38,276
>> so all of those would be non

1471
00:44:38,276 --> 00:44:41,276
debt, you know, funded projects

1472
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,881
that would not that would help

1473
00:44:42,881 --> 00:44:43,782
us do the things that we want

1474
00:44:43,782 --> 00:44:45,317
to do without impacting the

1475
00:44:45,317 --> 00:44:46,180
taxpayer.

1476
00:44:46,180 --> 00:44:48,180
All right.

1477
00:44:50,489 --> 00:44:51,591
Well, what I'm going to do is

1478
00:44:51,591 --> 00:44:53,960
I'll bring it back to the full

1479
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:54,895
committee and I have certainly

1480
00:44:54,895 --> 00:44:56,663
open it up to the committee for

1481
00:44:56,663 --> 00:44:57,531
questions on anything related

1482
00:44:57,531 --> 00:45:00,531
to the to the updated

1483
00:45:00,701 --> 00:45:01,669
spreadsheet and then I'm going

1484
00:45:01,669 --> 00:45:02,537
to see kind of how the

1485
00:45:02,537 --> 00:45:05,373
conversation goes and then we

1486
00:45:05,373 --> 00:45:06,374
can we can do one of two things

1487
00:45:06,374 --> 00:45:08,743
and again, I'm not ready to lay

1488
00:45:08,743 --> 00:45:09,510
this out completely that we

1489
00:45:09,510 --> 00:45:12,130
either can approve some of

1490
00:45:12,130 --> 00:45:15,318
these items like we have with

1491
00:45:15,318 --> 00:45:16,285
the modular vehicle barrier

1492
00:45:16,285 --> 00:45:19,285
system that we did recommended

1493
00:45:19,488 --> 00:45:20,220
that one the council and to the

1494
00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:21,570
org changes.

1495
00:45:21,570 --> 00:45:21,857
>> those are two items that we

1496
00:45:21,857 --> 00:45:23,627
already have recommended to

1497
00:45:23,627 --> 00:45:24,661
council.

1498
00:45:24,661 --> 00:45:25,461
So that is certainly an avenue

1499
00:45:25,461 --> 00:45:27,931
for us to consider this evening

1500
00:45:27,931 --> 00:45:28,632
is if there's items on here

1501
00:45:28,632 --> 00:45:29,499
that the committee feels like

1502
00:45:29,499 --> 00:45:32,690
it's a good idea, we're ready

1503
00:45:32,690 --> 00:45:32,503
to move forward and vote on

1504
00:45:32,503 --> 00:45:33,370
those things.

1505
00:45:33,370 --> 00:45:34,738
We could do that tonight and

1506
00:45:34,738 --> 00:45:35,406
recommend those kind piecemeal

1507
00:45:35,406 --> 00:45:37,406
to the council.

1508
00:45:38,943 --> 00:45:39,577
I said or we could ask for some

1509
00:45:39,577 --> 00:45:41,577
additional information and

1510
00:45:42,647 --> 00:45:43,648
bring it back for a third time

1511
00:45:43,648 --> 00:45:44,115
to the committee and vote on it

1512
00:45:44,115 --> 00:45:46,115
as a package.

1513
00:45:46,685 --> 00:45:47,653
So I just wanted to give that

1514
00:45:47,653 --> 00:45:48,554
to the committee as some food

1515
00:45:48,554 --> 00:45:49,210
for thought as to how we can

1516
00:45:49,210 --> 00:45:51,210
proceed tonight.

1517
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:51,857
>> we do have agenda is that we

1518
00:45:51,857 --> 00:45:54,427
could do it either way.

1519
00:45:54,427 --> 00:45:55,428
>> we could do this piecemeal

1520
00:45:55,428 --> 00:45:57,597
and take some take some action

1521
00:45:57,597 --> 00:45:58,565
on some specific items so

1522
00:45:58,565 --> 00:45:59,266
again, just from a committee

1523
00:45:59,266 --> 00:46:01,535
standpoint, let's let's think

1524
00:46:01,535 --> 00:46:02,602
about what we're comfortable

1525
00:46:02,602 --> 00:46:03,537
with this evening and then I'm

1526
00:46:03,537 --> 00:46:06,700
going to pull it back and see

1527
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:06,674
if anybody has any questions on

1528
00:46:06,674 --> 00:46:07,541
what's been presented in

1529
00:46:07,541 --> 00:46:09,710
alderman lemcke, you put your

1530
00:46:09,710 --> 00:46:11,710
hand up.

1531
00:46:13,448 --> 00:46:14,549
I think I mentioned the last

1532
00:46:14,549 --> 00:46:17,553
time we had spoke that I would

1533
00:46:17,553 --> 00:46:21,157
like she had a good portion of

1534
00:46:21,157 --> 00:46:22,580
the funds that we're getting

1535
00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:25,610
from arpa since they are tax

1536
00:46:25,610 --> 00:46:25,728
dollars coming from the federal

1537
00:46:25,728 --> 00:46:26,629
government that the city of

1538
00:46:26,629 --> 00:46:29,290
waukesha proportionately has to

1539
00:46:29,332 --> 00:46:32,669
pay back because it's all debt.

1540
00:46:32,669 --> 00:46:34,137
>> we're getting a share back.

1541
00:46:34,137 --> 00:46:36,607
>> I'd like to see some of the

1542
00:46:36,607 --> 00:46:37,107
debt that we are going to be

1543
00:46:37,107 --> 00:46:39,107
putting together.

1544
00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:40,611
>> for example, mindiola park

1545
00:46:40,611 --> 00:46:43,611
that looks like it's going

1546
00:46:44,753 --> 00:46:47,819
through pieces at a time which

1547
00:46:47,819 --> 00:46:48,787
I'm not against the capital

1548
00:46:48,787 --> 00:46:51,357
projects on the roads and for

1549
00:46:51,357 --> 00:46:52,240
example and this is just an

1550
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:52,925
example of where I'm coming

1551
00:46:52,925 --> 00:46:55,895
from the dredging of the

1552
00:46:55,895 --> 00:46:56,830
saratoga lake.

1553
00:46:56,830 --> 00:47:00,330
Those are all things that we

1554
00:47:00,330 --> 00:47:00,934
have in the cfp now where I'd

1555
00:47:00,934 --> 00:47:03,537
like to see a good portion of

1556
00:47:03,537 --> 00:47:04,171
these arpa funds used so that

1557
00:47:04,171 --> 00:47:06,571
the federal government is

1558
00:47:08,108 --> 00:47:08,876
paying some waukesha tax payers

1559
00:47:08,876 --> 00:47:11,612
bills that the taxpayers are

1560
00:47:11,612 --> 00:47:12,313
then going to have to pay the

1561
00:47:12,313 --> 00:47:14,982
federal government so it's not

1562
00:47:14,982 --> 00:47:15,883
increasing the tax burden is

1563
00:47:15,883 --> 00:47:18,853
skinning the cat from one piece

1564
00:47:18,853 --> 00:47:20,288
or the other.

1565
00:47:20,288 --> 00:47:23,725
>> so I just don't want to see

1566
00:47:23,725 --> 00:47:26,725
10 million dollars of add on

1567
00:47:26,829 --> 00:47:27,697
and in that we have to pay the

1568
00:47:27,697 --> 00:47:30,697
federal government for and I'd

1569
00:47:30,833 --> 00:47:31,901
like to see some of it come

1570
00:47:31,901 --> 00:47:34,637
back now I'm in favor of the

1571
00:47:34,637 --> 00:47:35,338
habitat for humanity just about

1572
00:47:35,338 --> 00:47:37,841
everything's there and I just

1573
00:47:37,841 --> 00:47:38,709
want to know if like the

1574
00:47:38,709 --> 00:47:41,709
mindiola that we have allocated

1575
00:47:41,946 --> 00:47:42,947
and the storm water projects,

1576
00:47:42,947 --> 00:47:46,150
the capital projects if if that

1577
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:47,180
amount of money three million,

1578
00:47:47,180 --> 00:47:49,320
four million dollars was in the

1579
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,322
cypriote that we could allocate

1580
00:47:50,322 --> 00:47:50,588
to that and not have to spend

1581
00:47:50,588 --> 00:47:52,588
it.

1582
00:47:53,725 --> 00:47:54,894
>> so then we're making some

1583
00:47:54,894 --> 00:47:57,897
new purchases but not all the

1584
00:47:57,897 --> 00:47:58,965
those specifically stormwater

1585
00:47:58,965 --> 00:48:01,868
the capital project line and

1586
00:48:01,868 --> 00:48:02,635
mindiola are all in the ship

1587
00:48:02,635 --> 00:48:05,839
currently those are all in the

1588
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:07,839
five year plan.

1589
00:48:10,210 --> 00:48:11,110
The that's what I mean that's

1590
00:48:11,110 --> 00:48:11,512
that's your that's the answer

1591
00:48:11,512 --> 00:48:12,547
to your question.

1592
00:48:12,547 --> 00:48:13,800
>> those are all in the five

1593
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,800
year plan.

1594
00:48:17,180 --> 00:48:17,919
Thank you.

1595
00:48:17,919 --> 00:48:20,319
Other questions from the

1596
00:48:21,322 --> 00:48:23,722
committee what's been presented

1597
00:48:25,127 --> 00:48:26,161
so far?

1598
00:48:26,161 --> 00:48:28,798
>> all right, let's try this.

1599
00:48:28,798 --> 00:48:29,698
What I'm going to do is let's

1600
00:48:29,698 --> 00:48:32,468
start from the top of the list

1601
00:48:32,468 --> 00:48:33,469
because this is the second time

1602
00:48:33,469 --> 00:48:37,700
that we've seen a lot of these

1603
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:37,907
items and I would just want to

1604
00:48:37,907 --> 00:48:40,110
go through one by one to make

1605
00:48:40,110 --> 00:48:40,844
sure that we can show our

1606
00:48:40,844 --> 00:48:41,545
bosses that we've thoroughly

1607
00:48:41,545 --> 00:48:43,948
vetted this list and talked

1608
00:48:43,948 --> 00:48:44,915
about it, which is important

1609
00:48:44,915 --> 00:48:47,915
and then if there's no

1610
00:48:48,185 --> 00:48:49,187
objection I'm going to kind of

1611
00:48:49,187 --> 00:48:51,756
treat this as kind of the

1612
00:48:51,756 --> 00:48:52,424
capital budget portion of our

1613
00:48:52,424 --> 00:48:53,124
finance discussion where we

1614
00:48:53,124 --> 00:48:55,327
start where I'll start asking

1615
00:48:55,327 --> 00:48:56,940
for some motions on some

1616
00:48:56,940 --> 00:48:56,795
certain items and if the

1617
00:48:56,795 --> 00:48:59,195
committee is comfortable with

1618
00:48:59,631 --> 00:49:00,432
that particular item, get a

1619
00:49:00,432 --> 00:49:02,935
motion, get a second, we'll

1620
00:49:02,935 --> 00:49:04,300
vote on it and then we'll take

1621
00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:07,240
this to council in kind of

1622
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:08,308
perhaps some bits and pieces.

1623
00:49:08,308 --> 00:49:08,909
>> but I think that that that

1624
00:49:08,909 --> 00:49:11,309
gets this moving along.

1625
00:49:11,411 --> 00:49:14,411
It gets the council viewing

1626
00:49:15,416 --> 00:49:18,180
this and asking some additional

1627
00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:18,552
questions and let's let's do

1628
00:49:18,552 --> 00:49:19,587
that.

1629
00:49:19,587 --> 00:49:20,388
So I'm going to start with the

1630
00:49:20,388 --> 00:49:22,788
habitat for humanity project

1631
00:49:23,158 --> 00:49:24,192
project.

1632
00:49:24,192 --> 00:49:26,461
This item was presented at our

1633
00:49:26,461 --> 00:49:27,429
last previous meeting that a

1634
00:49:27,429 --> 00:49:27,829
total of a one million dollar

1635
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:28,597
allocation.

1636
00:49:28,597 --> 00:49:30,599
>> were there any additional

1637
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:33,599
questions from the committee on

1638
00:49:34,169 --> 00:49:35,404
this item?

1639
00:49:35,404 --> 00:49:38,404
>> was there a motion alderman

1640
00:49:38,775 --> 00:49:41,175
mcilvanney, the motion to

1641
00:49:41,478 --> 00:49:42,412
approve or move forward habitat

1642
00:49:42,412 --> 00:49:44,812
for humanity airshed project

1643
00:49:45,949 --> 00:49:46,717
second by alderman bartel's ok,

1644
00:49:46,717 --> 00:49:49,717
so just for everybody watching

1645
00:49:49,853 --> 00:49:50,755
at home what we're going to do

1646
00:49:50,755 --> 00:49:51,857
is we're going to vote on these

1647
00:49:51,857 --> 00:49:53,825
one by one so far so the motion

1648
00:49:53,825 --> 00:49:54,392
has been made to recommend to

1649
00:49:54,392 --> 00:49:56,792
the common council an

1650
00:49:57,295 --> 00:49:58,197
allocation of one million from

1651
00:49:58,197 --> 00:49:58,697
the rpa for the habitat for

1652
00:49:58,697 --> 00:50:00,697
humanity project.

1653
00:50:00,999 --> 00:50:04,437
We have motion and a second is

1654
00:50:04,437 --> 00:50:05,471
there any discussion on that?

1655
00:50:05,471 --> 00:50:06,405
>> and denise, we're going to

1656
00:50:06,405 --> 00:50:07,307
do voice votes on these so you

1657
00:50:07,307 --> 00:50:07,673
don't have to keep track of in

1658
00:50:07,673 --> 00:50:08,174
granicus.

1659
00:50:08,174 --> 00:50:10,174
That's all right.

1660
00:50:12,245 --> 00:50:12,812
Yeah, we'll just do we can do

1661
00:50:12,812 --> 00:50:13,547
voice votes on this.

1662
00:50:13,547 --> 00:50:15,547
>> that's fine.

1663
00:50:15,649 --> 00:50:16,717
All right.

1664
00:50:16,717 --> 00:50:17,517
>> so the motion we've got a

1665
00:50:17,517 --> 00:50:19,520
motion and a second for the

1666
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,200
million dollar allocation

1667
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:20,321
habitant and all those in

1668
00:50:20,321 --> 00:50:21,222
favor.

1669
00:50:21,222 --> 00:50:22,890
>> please raise your hand and

1670
00:50:22,890 --> 00:50:23,691
sign I I any opposed.

1671
00:50:23,691 --> 00:50:25,691
>> all right.

1672
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:30,933
That item passes mindiola park

1673
00:50:30,933 --> 00:50:31,467
revenue generating capital for

1674
00:50:31,467 --> 00:50:33,467
one million dollars.

1675
00:50:33,936 --> 00:50:37,307
Is there a motion on that

1676
00:50:37,307 --> 00:50:39,307
particular item?

1677
00:50:41,811 --> 00:50:42,813
>> alderman lemcke I would like

1678
00:50:42,813 --> 00:50:45,715
to make a motion to accept the

1679
00:50:45,715 --> 00:50:46,817
million dollars arpa funds that

1680
00:50:46,817 --> 00:50:49,620
would go to the S.O.P in 2023

1681
00:50:49,620 --> 00:50:52,200
towards a projected project.

1682
00:50:56,427 --> 00:50:57,610
>> is there a second second

1683
00:50:57,610 --> 00:50:57,795
alderman mimic elderly?

1684
00:50:57,795 --> 00:50:59,795
>> I'll second that.

1685
00:51:01,166 --> 00:51:02,330
Ok, so we have a motion and a

1686
00:51:02,330 --> 00:51:04,636
second for the one million

1687
00:51:04,636 --> 00:51:05,370
dollars for mindiola.

1688
00:51:05,370 --> 00:51:05,771
Is there any further

1689
00:51:05,771 --> 00:51:07,707
discussion?

1690
00:51:07,707 --> 00:51:10,107
Alderman battelle's how many

1691
00:51:11,411 --> 00:51:12,512
years out will we be looking

1692
00:51:12,512 --> 00:51:16,116
for a completion of the park to

1693
00:51:16,116 --> 00:51:19,553
the plan in the in the plan we

1694
00:51:19,553 --> 00:51:23,390
have it spread out over I think

1695
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:24,358
two years twenty twenty four

1696
00:51:24,358 --> 00:51:24,692
and twenty twenty five is that

1697
00:51:24,692 --> 00:51:26,692
correct.

1698
00:51:26,695 --> 00:51:27,828
Run yeah.

1699
00:51:27,828 --> 00:51:30,228
>> yeah twenty twenty four

1700
00:51:30,632 --> 00:51:31,767
twenty twenty five.

1701
00:51:31,767 --> 00:51:35,203
>> so that would be the full

1702
00:51:35,203 --> 00:51:38,675
build out of it and of course

1703
00:51:38,675 --> 00:51:39,341
it's a big number so that's

1704
00:51:39,341 --> 00:51:41,741
contingent upon you know

1705
00:51:42,311 --> 00:51:44,711
competing priorities but um

1706
00:51:46,149 --> 00:51:47,150
obviously the faster you do it

1707
00:51:47,150 --> 00:51:48,218
the more gets to stabilization

1708
00:51:48,218 --> 00:51:50,987
and you start to talk about the

1709
00:51:50,987 --> 00:51:54,587
types of numbers that the the

1710
00:51:54,591 --> 00:51:55,392
folks the consulting folks

1711
00:51:55,392 --> 00:51:55,893
we're talking about that brian

1712
00:51:55,893 --> 00:51:57,893
was talking about.

1713
00:51:58,396 --> 00:51:59,497
So but right now we have we

1714
00:51:59,497 --> 00:52:03,970
have a planned out over 24 and

1715
00:52:05,336 --> 00:52:06,305
25 and what was the total

1716
00:52:06,305 --> 00:52:09,305
estimate for the whole thing?

1717
00:52:09,575 --> 00:52:10,442
>> for the whole thing I think

1718
00:52:10,442 --> 00:52:13,847
it's seven million in the city.

1719
00:52:13,847 --> 00:52:14,647
Am I right in my I'm I'm

1720
00:52:14,647 --> 00:52:16,849
guessing I should never guess I

1721
00:52:16,849 --> 00:52:17,984
should go look it up.

1722
00:52:17,984 --> 00:52:20,720
>> ron has the sheet right in

1723
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:24,291
front of them for the record,

1724
00:52:24,291 --> 00:52:24,858
thanksgiving in the budget

1725
00:52:24,858 --> 00:52:26,858
right now.

1726
00:52:28,295 --> 00:52:29,597
>> and again we're evaluating

1727
00:52:29,597 --> 00:52:33,797
the site as far as updating the

1728
00:52:35,437 --> 00:52:36,304
master plan, do cost estimates

1729
00:52:36,304 --> 00:52:38,908
because of the volatility of

1730
00:52:38,908 --> 00:52:40,420
the climate that we have?

1731
00:52:40,420 --> 00:52:42,745
>> as you all know, the total

1732
00:52:42,745 --> 00:52:43,312
is eight million nine hundred

1733
00:52:43,312 --> 00:52:44,347
and fifteen thousand.

1734
00:52:44,347 --> 00:52:46,747
>> that's what we have

1735
00:52:49,586 --> 00:52:51,586
projected through 2025 and

1736
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:54,424
we're doing it in phases a lot

1737
00:52:54,424 --> 00:52:56,424
of inventory.

1738
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,560
Oh, I'm sorry.

1739
00:53:01,310 --> 00:53:01,866
>> sorry so if during the

1740
00:53:01,866 --> 00:53:04,266
process this whole eight

1741
00:53:05,169 --> 00:53:08,169
million or so doesn't go

1742
00:53:08,173 --> 00:53:11,773
through what happens to the one

1743
00:53:11,777 --> 00:53:13,211
million dollars tonight.

1744
00:53:13,211 --> 00:53:16,449
>> so I mean again this is just

1745
00:53:16,449 --> 00:53:17,317
an outline so we would what we

1746
00:53:17,317 --> 00:53:19,618
would do with this particular

1747
00:53:19,618 --> 00:53:20,420
project is that we would update

1748
00:53:20,420 --> 00:53:23,122
this ship to include the arpa

1749
00:53:23,122 --> 00:53:23,957
funds as part of the project.

1750
00:53:23,957 --> 00:53:26,860
The one million dollars gets

1751
00:53:26,860 --> 00:53:27,727
you another full size field

1752
00:53:27,727 --> 00:53:30,727
completely built out and with

1753
00:53:31,432 --> 00:53:32,233
the success that we've had with

1754
00:53:32,233 --> 00:53:34,802
the one that we've done, you

1755
00:53:34,802 --> 00:53:35,570
know, we would generate revenue

1756
00:53:35,570 --> 00:53:37,970
from the one otherwise.

1757
00:53:38,940 --> 00:53:40,108
You know, you could do you the

1758
00:53:40,108 --> 00:53:40,808
whole thing you do one more you

1759
00:53:40,808 --> 00:53:43,445
could do half of it.

1760
00:53:43,445 --> 00:53:43,745
>> ok, that's I was looking for

1761
00:53:43,745 --> 00:53:45,745
yeah.

1762
00:53:47,382 --> 00:53:48,384
>> thank you is a display ad a

1763
00:53:48,384 --> 00:53:51,870
tad to that as I indicated in

1764
00:53:51,870 --> 00:53:51,988
the communication today this is

1765
00:53:51,988 --> 00:53:54,988
an opportunity to help defray

1766
00:53:55,592 --> 00:53:57,494
part of the cost of the overall

1767
00:53:57,494 --> 00:53:58,462
build out and get another field

1768
00:53:58,462 --> 00:53:58,929
in operation earlier than we

1769
00:53:58,929 --> 00:54:00,929
had anticipated.

1770
00:54:02,367 --> 00:54:03,330
So we look at this as an

1771
00:54:03,330 --> 00:54:03,734
excellent opportunity to not

1772
00:54:03,734 --> 00:54:06,134
only get another field

1773
00:54:06,437 --> 00:54:09,437
operational but also save save

1774
00:54:09,541 --> 00:54:10,708
some money or get funding from

1775
00:54:10,708 --> 00:54:13,708
a source outside of traditional

1776
00:54:13,879 --> 00:54:14,913
bonding.

1777
00:54:14,913 --> 00:54:15,714
And I would also add there's

1778
00:54:15,714 --> 00:54:17,820
some value in doing it

1779
00:54:17,820 --> 00:54:18,830
incrementally too because you

1780
00:54:18,830 --> 00:54:18,484
get to learn you get to know

1781
00:54:18,484 --> 00:54:20,484
what works.

1782
00:54:21,420 --> 00:54:22,188
You get to figure out what the

1783
00:54:22,188 --> 00:54:25,191
teams like and what they don't

1784
00:54:25,191 --> 00:54:26,359
like and things like that.

1785
00:54:26,359 --> 00:54:29,162
And so I mean getting it in and

1786
00:54:29,162 --> 00:54:29,929
getting it operational at peak

1787
00:54:29,929 --> 00:54:31,131
efficiency for lack of a better

1788
00:54:31,131 --> 00:54:31,432
description is also not a bad

1789
00:54:31,432 --> 00:54:33,432
thing.

1790
00:54:35,737 --> 00:54:38,773
Yeah, I just wanted to add I

1791
00:54:38,773 --> 00:54:39,840
don't think it's been mentioned

1792
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,178
yet tonight but the arpa funds

1793
00:54:43,178 --> 00:54:44,179
currently need to be spent by

1794
00:54:44,179 --> 00:54:47,517
the end of 2024 so that the

1795
00:54:47,517 --> 00:54:48,518
first portion of the million if

1796
00:54:48,518 --> 00:54:51,870
it is spent prior to that would

1797
00:54:51,870 --> 00:54:52,210
be covered.

1798
00:54:52,210 --> 00:54:55,210
>> the arpa funds just wanted

1799
00:54:55,324 --> 00:54:56,392
to make that node and it

1800
00:54:56,392 --> 00:54:59,392
included the first time we

1801
00:55:01,798 --> 00:55:03,000
discussed us back on MAY 10th

1802
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,837
that we will be ready to go.

1803
00:55:05,837 --> 00:55:06,938
>> this project is in the

1804
00:55:06,938 --> 00:55:07,905
position that we can move on it

1805
00:55:07,905 --> 00:55:10,708
and get moving on this project

1806
00:55:10,708 --> 00:55:11,476
and 23 and certainly have it

1807
00:55:11,476 --> 00:55:14,279
completed by twenty four to get

1808
00:55:14,279 --> 00:55:15,513
this additional field built.

1809
00:55:15,513 --> 00:55:18,517
So we're one step closer to a

1810
00:55:18,517 --> 00:55:21,921
complex and I think the other

1811
00:55:21,921 --> 00:55:23,880
thing a bit that onto brandon

1812
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,292
indicated is it MAY not be the

1813
00:55:26,292 --> 00:55:27,260
biggest complex but we're

1814
00:55:27,260 --> 00:55:29,963
looking at high quality in turf

1815
00:55:29,963 --> 00:55:33,267
is what it so it's imperative

1816
00:55:33,267 --> 00:55:36,804
that we push for the turf

1817
00:55:36,804 --> 00:55:37,771
fields that will draw a crowd

1818
00:55:37,771 --> 00:55:40,771
guaranteed when you know you

1819
00:55:41,709 --> 00:55:44,913
can play they will come and we

1820
00:55:44,913 --> 00:55:46,800
definitely are in a position we

1821
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,484
have a niche that we can fill

1822
00:55:49,484 --> 00:55:52,888
so we have thirty fields now

1823
00:55:52,888 --> 00:55:54,570
but we could have facility it

1824
00:55:54,570 --> 00:55:56,590
has five or six fields that are

1825
00:55:56,590 --> 00:55:59,659
high and quality that could be

1826
00:56:00,263 --> 00:56:01,265
used for multiuse and again if

1827
00:56:01,265 --> 00:56:04,267
we go to the route of building

1828
00:56:04,267 --> 00:56:05,135
the full sized fields you can

1829
00:56:05,135 --> 00:56:08,372
carve out a lot of smaller

1830
00:56:08,372 --> 00:56:09,107
fields on that full size so you

1831
00:56:09,107 --> 00:56:10,700
have a lot of flexibility.

1832
00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:12,407
>> you can paint temporary

1833
00:56:12,810 --> 00:56:13,811
lines for example if you want

1834
00:56:13,811 --> 00:56:16,714
to use a tournament we can get

1835
00:56:16,714 --> 00:56:17,715
eight fields of you eight kids

1836
00:56:17,715 --> 00:56:20,852
on one turf field, one full

1837
00:56:20,852 --> 00:56:21,853
size is to give you the scope

1838
00:56:21,853 --> 00:56:24,223
so you can you can run some

1839
00:56:24,223 --> 00:56:24,990
good sized tournaments

1840
00:56:24,990 --> 00:56:25,758
especially with the younger

1841
00:56:25,758 --> 00:56:28,158
kids, the tournaments that

1842
00:56:28,761 --> 00:56:32,165
require full size field play or

1843
00:56:32,165 --> 00:56:34,565
somewhat limited but not

1844
00:56:35,135 --> 00:56:36,200
certainly be relegated not

1845
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,402
having tournaments for full

1846
00:56:39,807 --> 00:56:40,674
size play when you have quality

1847
00:56:40,674 --> 00:56:43,577
so you'll get high end quality

1848
00:56:43,577 --> 00:56:44,312
type tournaments that would be

1849
00:56:44,312 --> 00:56:47,312
attracted and that's the that's

1850
00:56:47,615 --> 00:56:48,417
the word that we got, you know,

1851
00:56:48,417 --> 00:56:51,287
from the wisconsin youth soccer

1852
00:56:51,287 --> 00:56:52,880
association etc. That there's a

1853
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:52,721
niche there for their olympic

1854
00:56:52,721 --> 00:56:54,721
development program camps.

1855
00:56:55,457 --> 00:56:57,793
>> you in also tournaments.

1856
00:56:57,793 --> 00:57:00,793
So again bigger is not

1857
00:57:02,231 --> 00:57:04,631
necessarily always better in

1858
00:57:06,837 --> 00:57:09,839
lemcke I'm glad I have run and

1859
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:10,374
kevin in and this is just more

1860
00:57:10,374 --> 00:57:12,374
of educating myself.

1861
00:57:13,978 --> 00:57:17,150
Um, when we talk about a major

1862
00:57:17,150 --> 00:57:17,949
sports complex like this that

1863
00:57:17,949 --> 00:57:20,949
benefits the entire city, would

1864
00:57:21,152 --> 00:57:24,122
this be something that impact

1865
00:57:24,122 --> 00:57:27,122
fees could be allocated towards

1866
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,360
,you know, like in my

1867
00:57:32,131 --> 00:57:33,132
particular district it's

1868
00:57:33,132 --> 00:57:35,234
projected just from what I can

1869
00:57:35,234 --> 00:57:36,402
see coming up in the next five

1870
00:57:36,402 --> 00:57:40,200
years we're going to have about

1871
00:57:40,407 --> 00:57:41,842
500 new units.

1872
00:57:41,842 --> 00:57:43,844
So if we have a and if we have

1873
00:57:43,844 --> 00:57:44,712
an apartment complex coming on

1874
00:57:44,712 --> 00:57:47,615
with a hundred units, does that

1875
00:57:47,615 --> 00:57:48,282
mean that when they apply for

1876
00:57:48,282 --> 00:57:50,682
permits for that particular

1877
00:57:51,285 --> 00:57:52,287
apartment complex they pay 100

1878
00:57:52,287 --> 00:57:55,887
impact fees, one for each unit?

1879
00:58:02,398 --> 00:58:03,933
Where do they pay one impact

1880
00:58:03,933 --> 00:58:05,968
fee for the whole complex?

1881
00:58:05,968 --> 00:58:06,536
Well, the impact fees, jennifer

1882
00:58:06,536 --> 00:58:07,137
to the two.

1883
00:58:07,137 --> 00:58:08,710
>> yeah ok.

1884
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:08,371
But it's per unit boxton per

1885
00:58:08,371 --> 00:58:10,371
unit.

1886
00:58:10,373 --> 00:58:11,241
So if we have a subdivision I'm

1887
00:58:11,241 --> 00:58:14,440
just going to ask the question

1888
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:14,945
whoever knows can answer we

1889
00:58:14,945 --> 00:58:17,848
have a subdivision coming on

1890
00:58:17,848 --> 00:58:18,516
very down in my valley we have

1891
00:58:18,516 --> 00:58:18,783
fifty new condominiums going

1892
00:58:18,783 --> 00:58:20,783
in.

1893
00:58:22,420 --> 00:58:23,421
We have about 120 flats coming

1894
00:58:23,421 --> 00:58:25,990
on just off of highway eighteen

1895
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:29,590
across from oakmont we have a

1896
00:58:29,795 --> 00:58:30,462
new proposed that's in the

1897
00:58:30,462 --> 00:58:33,320
works right now with maybe

1898
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:33,999
three hundred and

1899
00:58:33,999 --> 00:58:36,999
twenty townhomes and fifty five

1900
00:58:37,303 --> 00:58:38,304
single family homes just in

1901
00:58:38,304 --> 00:58:40,573
those in my district alone in

1902
00:58:40,573 --> 00:58:43,573
the next five years we

1903
00:58:44,377 --> 00:58:45,646
anticipate about 500 individual

1904
00:58:45,646 --> 00:58:49,149
units and if I remember when we

1905
00:58:49,149 --> 00:58:52,749
did our impact fee raise four

1906
00:58:52,954 --> 00:58:53,754
for AUGUST the parks is going

1907
00:58:53,754 --> 00:58:55,623
to get about twenty two hundred

1908
00:58:55,623 --> 00:58:56,391
dollars on each one of those

1909
00:58:56,391 --> 00:58:59,194
units that's about a million

1910
00:58:59,194 --> 00:59:00,162
two hundred and fifty thousand

1911
00:59:00,162 --> 00:59:00,629
dollars of revenue that the

1912
00:59:00,629 --> 00:59:02,629
city could use.

1913
00:59:03,465 --> 00:59:04,433
>> I'm thinking towards

1914
00:59:04,433 --> 00:59:07,433
mindiola park because in my

1915
00:59:07,803 --> 00:59:08,471
district we have enough little

1916
00:59:08,471 --> 00:59:10,471
neighborhood parks with

1917
00:59:11,975 --> 00:59:14,975
meadowbrook howell oaks and you

1918
00:59:15,479 --> 00:59:16,130
know the oliver sports and all

1919
00:59:16,130 --> 00:59:16,947
of that.

1920
00:59:16,947 --> 00:59:18,515
I don't think a need for

1921
00:59:18,515 --> 00:59:18,849
another park needs to going in

1922
00:59:18,849 --> 00:59:19,783
there.

1923
00:59:19,783 --> 00:59:22,753
But I'm thinking, you know,

1924
00:59:22,753 --> 00:59:23,554
that I understand MR. Bartlet's

1925
00:59:23,554 --> 00:59:26,554
fee fear as is mine.

1926
00:59:26,658 --> 00:59:27,325
I don't want to spend six

1927
00:59:27,325 --> 00:59:27,926
million dollars of the

1928
00:59:27,926 --> 00:59:29,926
taxpayer's money towards

1929
00:59:30,795 --> 00:59:31,197
mindiola park over the next

1930
00:59:31,197 --> 00:59:32,197
five years.

1931
00:59:32,197 --> 00:59:33,565
But if it can come from the

1932
00:59:33,565 --> 00:59:34,667
people who are moving in buying

1933
00:59:34,667 --> 00:59:37,670
that lot or moving into that

1934
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:39,670
apartment complex from

1935
00:59:41,774 --> 00:59:42,575
something like that, then if

1936
00:59:42,575 --> 00:59:45,612
that fund can be used there

1937
00:59:45,612 --> 00:59:46,613
again it's a way of not having

1938
00:59:46,613 --> 00:59:49,830
the taxpayers foot the bill for

1939
00:59:49,830 --> 00:59:52,830
mindiola and and making making

1940
00:59:52,387 --> 00:59:53,530
the project can be a draw for

1941
00:59:53,530 --> 00:59:55,530
redevelopment and such.

1942
00:59:56,490 --> 00:59:57,592
So if we earmarked those impact

1943
00:59:57,592 --> 01:00:00,795
fees just in my district I know

1944
01:00:00,795 --> 01:00:03,698
there's a lot more and it would

1945
01:00:03,698 --> 01:00:04,567
soften that blow of having to

1946
01:00:04,567 --> 01:00:04,933
spend six million dollars on

1947
01:00:04,933 --> 01:00:06,933
mindiola.

1948
01:00:07,469 --> 01:00:08,671
We got a million from the arpa

1949
01:00:08,671 --> 01:00:11,574
,we got a million in two fifty

1950
01:00:11,574 --> 01:00:11,941
and impact fees from my

1951
01:00:11,941 --> 01:00:13,142
district.

1952
01:00:13,142 --> 01:00:16,790
>> you know it has a funding

1953
01:00:16,790 --> 01:00:16,847
source as long as we didn't

1954
01:00:16,847 --> 01:00:18,848
have to invest in new park

1955
01:00:18,848 --> 01:00:19,817
because I think my personal

1956
01:00:19,817 --> 01:00:22,817
opinion is waukesha is very

1957
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,120
generous with their park system

1958
01:00:27,358 --> 01:00:28,226
and and you know, if we can

1959
01:00:28,226 --> 01:00:30,995
fund it without having to

1960
01:00:30,995 --> 01:00:33,995
increase the taxes that the

1961
01:00:34,399 --> 01:00:35,670
people pay, I'm in favor of the

1962
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:37,670
majority of it.

1963
01:00:39,238 --> 01:00:42,107
So if if that would be a way of

1964
01:00:42,107 --> 01:00:43,800
obtaining spending the money so

1965
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,711
you so you know where the money

1966
01:00:45,711 --> 01:00:46,713
is going to have to come from

1967
01:00:46,713 --> 01:00:47,514
or you're going to have to be

1968
01:00:47,514 --> 01:00:50,417
spent rather than proposing a

1969
01:00:50,417 --> 01:00:51,318
new park or a new pool or a or

1970
01:00:51,318 --> 01:00:54,121
something like that then I'd be

1971
01:00:54,121 --> 01:00:54,488
much more in favor of voting

1972
01:00:54,488 --> 01:00:56,488
for this.

1973
01:00:57,224 --> 01:00:58,159
That looks like it's coming

1974
01:00:58,159 --> 01:01:00,895
anyway but there we go.

1975
01:01:00,895 --> 01:01:02,130
That's my thoughts.

1976
01:01:02,130 --> 01:01:04,699
I can comment on it if you like

1977
01:01:04,699 --> 01:01:05,834
me to.

1978
01:01:05,834 --> 01:01:08,834
Yes, definitely impact fees was

1979
01:01:09,237 --> 01:01:10,205
one of the things that was

1980
01:01:10,205 --> 01:01:13,800
factored in in the study for

1981
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:13,776
minneola because it is a

1982
01:01:13,776 --> 01:01:16,176
community asset, a community

1983
01:01:17,790 --> 01:01:20,951
park and so part of our funding

1984
01:01:20,951 --> 01:01:21,685
strategy is obviously to look

1985
01:01:21,685 --> 01:01:24,850
for alternative revenue sources

1986
01:01:24,422 --> 01:01:28,220
which we qualify impact fees as

1987
01:01:28,325 --> 01:01:29,327
as that you know, nontax based

1988
01:01:29,327 --> 01:01:32,129
and and that's why we got

1989
01:01:32,129 --> 01:01:33,640
excited about this opportunity.

1990
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,267
Arpa there's a that's one that

1991
01:01:36,267 --> 01:01:37,135
we didn't count on, you know,

1992
01:01:37,135 --> 01:01:37,502
three or four years ago

1993
01:01:37,502 --> 01:01:39,502
certainly.

1994
01:01:40,138 --> 01:01:44,109
And to try to find ways to stay

1995
01:01:44,109 --> 01:01:45,111
out of using geo bonding or

1996
01:01:45,111 --> 01:01:47,680
things of that that type of

1997
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:48,714
mechanism.

1998
01:01:48,714 --> 01:01:49,820
>> so impact fees is part of

1999
01:01:49,820 --> 01:01:51,820
the mix.

2000
01:01:51,985 --> 01:01:53,870
We haven't quite determine how

2001
01:01:53,870 --> 01:01:55,455
much impact fee the use for

2002
01:01:55,455 --> 01:01:58,455
that but we'll certainly have

2003
01:01:59,393 --> 01:02:02,897
more of that detail for you as

2004
01:02:02,897 --> 01:02:04,165
we get through the process.

2005
01:02:04,165 --> 01:02:06,734
>> you know we have JULY one is

2006
01:02:06,734 --> 01:02:07,702
our self-imposed deadline that

2007
01:02:07,702 --> 01:02:10,702
cfp submitted and sort of

2008
01:02:11,207 --> 01:02:12,700
better defined it but that was

2009
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:14,376
factored in that there would be

2010
01:02:14,376 --> 01:02:14,943
a piece of the puzzle would

2011
01:02:14,943 --> 01:02:17,343
come from impact fees.

2012
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:18,748
>> how much that hasn't been

2013
01:02:18,748 --> 01:02:20,748
determined yet.

2014
01:02:21,884 --> 01:02:22,752
And as you indicated in lemcke

2015
01:02:22,752 --> 01:02:23,119
that those numbers have changed

2016
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:25,119
all too.

2017
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:26,490
So that changes that landscape,

2018
01:02:26,490 --> 01:02:28,490
MR. Laner.

2019
01:02:30,460 --> 01:02:33,464
>> yeah, just to add on to that

2020
01:02:33,464 --> 01:02:34,432
the way the impact fee

2021
01:02:34,432 --> 01:02:35,333
ordinances work is that they

2022
01:02:35,333 --> 01:02:36,100
have to be spent either in the

2023
01:02:36,100 --> 01:02:38,169
neighborhood where they are

2024
01:02:38,169 --> 01:02:41,169
generated from or on a

2025
01:02:41,973 --> 01:02:42,874
community park facility and we

2026
01:02:42,874 --> 01:02:43,742
might have to look at our

2027
01:02:43,742 --> 01:02:46,245
ordinance to make sure that

2028
01:02:46,245 --> 01:02:47,179
we're eligible to do that.

2029
01:02:47,179 --> 01:02:48,881
I think we are already but

2030
01:02:48,881 --> 01:02:49,982
that's an adjustment that we

2031
01:02:49,982 --> 01:02:53,352
can make and so you can use

2032
01:02:53,352 --> 01:02:54,153
them for either area and then

2033
01:02:54,153 --> 01:02:55,540
there's also a time limit with

2034
01:02:55,540 --> 01:02:57,424
impact fees you have to spend

2035
01:02:57,424 --> 01:03:00,393
them within seven years on a

2036
01:03:00,393 --> 01:03:01,228
new item.

2037
01:03:01,228 --> 01:03:01,895
You can't spend them on

2038
01:03:01,895 --> 01:03:02,230
maintenance you can't spend

2039
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:03,797
them on.

2040
01:03:03,797 --> 01:03:04,331
You have to build something new

2041
01:03:04,331 --> 01:03:05,367
with them.

2042
01:03:05,367 --> 01:03:06,167
So that's how that's how it

2043
01:03:06,167 --> 01:03:08,136
works so you can use them

2044
01:03:08,136 --> 01:03:09,104
locally in the specified area

2045
01:03:09,104 --> 01:03:11,907
or you spend them on a

2046
01:03:11,907 --> 01:03:13,175
community facility.

2047
01:03:13,175 --> 01:03:16,678
>> just one other thing to add

2048
01:03:16,678 --> 01:03:19,615
on to kevin's comment is that

2049
01:03:19,615 --> 01:03:20,382
the keep in mind minneola park

2050
01:03:20,382 --> 01:03:21,417
is largely undeveloped.

2051
01:03:21,417 --> 01:03:23,386
that's why it does that's one

2052
01:03:23,386 --> 01:03:23,719
of the qualifiers for impact

2053
01:03:23,719 --> 01:03:25,719
fees.

2054
01:03:27,457 --> 01:03:28,259
>> so a one one field alone as

2055
01:03:28,259 --> 01:03:31,161
you know as we've discussed is

2056
01:03:31,161 --> 01:03:31,595
over a million dollars a full

2057
01:03:31,595 --> 01:03:32,630
sized field.

2058
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:35,300
>> so we have undeveloped

2059
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:37,199
largely undeveloped community

2060
01:03:39,370 --> 01:03:39,904
park and that typically shines

2061
01:03:39,904 --> 01:03:43,700
really well for impact fee use

2062
01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:44,142
for community wide use.

2063
01:03:44,142 --> 01:03:46,546
So it was part of our strategy

2064
01:03:46,546 --> 01:03:50,146
when we elton john cameron, et

2065
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:51,417
cetera on identifying all the

2066
01:03:51,417 --> 01:03:54,417
different parks, that big lawn

2067
01:03:54,654 --> 01:03:58,854
chart that is part of the study

2068
01:03:59,592 --> 01:04:03,792
minneola is part of the mix all

2069
01:04:07,101 --> 01:04:07,434
romanian run refresh my memory

2070
01:04:07,434 --> 01:04:08,369
.

2071
01:04:08,369 --> 01:04:11,138
We have an existing turf field

2072
01:04:11,138 --> 01:04:11,739
at mindiola right now.

2073
01:04:11,739 --> 01:04:13,739
>> correct.

2074
01:04:15,410 --> 01:04:19,214
And that was put in when I was

2075
01:04:19,214 --> 01:04:20,215
there the tail the

2076
01:04:20,215 --> 01:04:22,184
twenty twenty we opened in 2021

2077
01:04:22,184 --> 01:04:23,419
last year.

2078
01:04:23,419 --> 01:04:26,322
>> ok, can you give me a

2079
01:04:26,322 --> 01:04:27,223
ballpark if you know of roughly

2080
01:04:27,223 --> 01:04:30,823
what kind of revenue that field

2081
01:04:31,528 --> 01:04:31,828
has generated in on an annual

2082
01:04:31,828 --> 01:04:33,828
basis?

2083
01:04:34,798 --> 01:04:37,935
>> well we have we have one

2084
01:04:37,935 --> 01:04:39,300
full season on our built but

2085
01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:42,390
the field is to give you an

2086
01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:43,700
idea prior to the turf field

2087
01:04:43,700 --> 01:04:45,977
and our total revenue was nine

2088
01:04:45,977 --> 01:04:47,450
hundred and twenty seven

2089
01:04:47,450 --> 01:04:49,114
dollars for in the old park

2090
01:04:49,114 --> 01:04:52,114
with the grass fields in

2091
01:04:53,152 --> 01:04:54,190
twenty twenty one rentals the

2092
01:04:54,190 --> 01:04:56,957
loan was over thirty eight

2093
01:04:56,957 --> 01:04:57,924
thousand so we went from nine

2094
01:04:57,924 --> 01:04:58,791
some dollars to thirty eight

2095
01:04:58,791 --> 01:05:02,391
thousand plus we were able to

2096
01:05:04,264 --> 01:05:05,132
move our program over an entire

2097
01:05:05,132 --> 01:05:08,132
youth program utilizes the turf

2098
01:05:08,435 --> 01:05:09,303
field now for games and that

2099
01:05:09,303 --> 01:05:12,303
program was expanded to almost

2100
01:05:12,907 --> 01:05:13,474
3500 kids in that program being

2101
01:05:13,474 --> 01:05:15,474
brought in in 2001.

2102
01:05:16,644 --> 01:05:19,440
>> edita and so conservatively

2103
01:05:21,249 --> 01:05:24,190
the turf field attributes one

2104
01:05:24,190 --> 01:05:25,200
hundred and twenty six thousand

2105
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,324
its first year and the numbers

2106
01:05:28,324 --> 01:05:29,125
are looking very good right now

2107
01:05:29,125 --> 01:05:29,892
we're projecting to be about

2108
01:05:29,892 --> 01:05:32,292
one hundred seventy five

2109
01:05:32,762 --> 01:05:33,897
thousand four for this year.

2110
01:05:33,897 --> 01:05:36,900
We haven't seen what's going to

2111
01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:37,601
happen in the fall season yet

2112
01:05:37,601 --> 01:05:38,202
but spring was very good.

2113
01:05:38,202 --> 01:05:40,202
>> thanks, ron.

2114
01:05:41,171 --> 01:05:44,642
Those are good numbers and ron

2115
01:05:44,642 --> 01:05:47,642
just also to remind the

2116
01:05:47,845 --> 01:05:48,947
committee that when the first

2117
01:05:48,947 --> 01:05:49,747
part when the first field went

2118
01:05:49,747 --> 01:05:50,615
in there was a special revenue

2119
01:05:50,615 --> 01:05:51,883
fund that was created to

2120
01:05:51,883 --> 01:05:52,785
capture the income that was

2121
01:05:52,785 --> 01:05:53,840
derived off of that off of that

2122
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,840
field.

2123
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,320
>> correct.

2124
01:05:59,592 --> 01:06:00,250
>> that's all the funds in the

2125
01:06:00,250 --> 01:06:00,993
general fund.

2126
01:06:00,993 --> 01:06:03,960
>> but I thought there was I

2127
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:03,963
thought there was something

2128
01:06:03,963 --> 01:06:04,664
specific that the city created

2129
01:06:04,664 --> 01:06:07,534
to capture the revenue from

2130
01:06:07,534 --> 01:06:08,268
that field to recoup some of

2131
01:06:08,268 --> 01:06:10,937
the operating costs and perhaps

2132
01:06:10,937 --> 01:06:12,500
some of the replacement in the

2133
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:14,708
future for that project as we

2134
01:06:14,708 --> 01:06:15,276
did to turn fields one time

2135
01:06:15,276 --> 01:06:16,277
would frame baseball.

2136
01:06:16,277 --> 01:06:18,880
We did create a turf

2137
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:19,847
replacement fund or it's a

2138
01:06:19,847 --> 01:06:22,850
maintenance one can be used for

2139
01:06:22,850 --> 01:06:25,850
more turf replacement but that

2140
01:06:26,655 --> 01:06:29,550
cost shared with carroll

2141
01:06:30,292 --> 01:06:31,160
university in the city and it's

2142
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,160
ten thousand dollars a year

2143
01:06:34,263 --> 01:06:35,264
from carol and 10000 from

2144
01:06:35,264 --> 01:06:38,264
proceeds that we derive from

2145
01:06:38,868 --> 01:06:39,169
frame baseball goes into that

2146
01:06:39,169 --> 01:06:39,970
fund.

2147
01:06:39,970 --> 01:06:40,704
>> so there wasn't there wasn't

2148
01:06:40,704 --> 01:06:43,104
something similar done with

2149
01:06:43,107 --> 01:06:43,841
mindiola not at this time but I

2150
01:06:43,841 --> 01:06:46,777
think that's something we would

2151
01:06:46,777 --> 01:06:47,645
look at certainly for you know,

2152
01:06:47,645 --> 01:06:50,645
the bigger picture the bigger

2153
01:06:51,249 --> 01:06:54,252
project is to have I call it a

2154
01:06:54,252 --> 01:06:55,220
turf replacement fund.

2155
01:06:55,220 --> 01:06:55,587
>> we made a little broader

2156
01:06:55,587 --> 01:06:57,389
than that.

2157
01:06:57,389 --> 01:06:58,289
You know, maintenance.

2158
01:06:58,289 --> 01:07:01,289
But the idea that primarily

2159
01:07:01,527 --> 01:07:02,495
would help you know, the free

2160
01:07:02,495 --> 01:07:05,464
again cost down the road for

2161
01:07:05,464 --> 01:07:06,566
turf replacement because you

2162
01:07:06,566 --> 01:07:09,169
know, one of the one of the

2163
01:07:09,169 --> 01:07:10,470
things that we've talked about

2164
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:11,271
I mean you and I and you and I

2165
01:07:11,271 --> 01:07:13,208
and kevin have talked about the

2166
01:07:13,208 --> 01:07:14,740
concern that I have is just the

2167
01:07:14,740 --> 01:07:14,741
ability for the city to

2168
01:07:14,741 --> 01:07:16,277
maintain the park

2169
01:07:16,277 --> 01:07:17,311
infrastructure.

2170
01:07:17,311 --> 01:07:17,912
We have given levy limits and

2171
01:07:17,912 --> 01:07:18,412
the limitations on the

2172
01:07:18,412 --> 01:07:20,412
operating budget.

2173
01:07:21,115 --> 01:07:21,917
I mean that it's a big topic

2174
01:07:21,917 --> 01:07:24,586
but that's been my overarching

2175
01:07:24,586 --> 01:07:27,586
concern with with the parks

2176
01:07:28,189 --> 01:07:30,189
that we've had.

2177
01:07:31,460 --> 01:07:32,628
>> I guess my question for this

2178
01:07:32,628 --> 01:07:33,629
is is if if we have the first

2179
01:07:33,629 --> 01:07:37,133
one and the second one gets

2180
01:07:37,133 --> 01:07:37,834
approved, you know, from a

2181
01:07:37,834 --> 01:07:38,901
standpoint of just maintaining

2182
01:07:38,901 --> 01:07:40,803
it, I mean are you are you

2183
01:07:40,803 --> 01:07:41,437
comfortable that we've got the

2184
01:07:41,437 --> 01:07:42,105
room within the operating

2185
01:07:42,105 --> 01:07:43,740
budget within your operating

2186
01:07:43,740 --> 01:07:44,741
budget to maintain these assets

2187
01:07:44,741 --> 01:07:47,744
and or does it make sense to

2188
01:07:47,744 --> 01:07:48,645
start setting up specific funds

2189
01:07:48,645 --> 01:07:52,160
for these larger assets to make

2190
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,160
sure that, you know, repairing

2191
01:07:55,219 --> 01:07:56,540
bleachers and repairing

2192
01:07:56,540 --> 01:07:56,855
bathrooms and repairing the

2193
01:07:56,855 --> 01:07:59,258
field don't pull away from the

2194
01:07:59,258 --> 01:08:00,425
other funds that you're going

2195
01:08:00,425 --> 01:08:01,493
to need to maintain a you know,

2196
01:08:01,493 --> 01:08:05,930
to maintain the park shelter at

2197
01:08:06,732 --> 01:08:07,833
horeb for you know, part one.

2198
01:08:07,833 --> 01:08:10,833
Yes, we're very confident that

2199
01:08:11,370 --> 01:08:14,370
our experience turf field is

2200
01:08:14,574 --> 01:08:15,408
it's enable us to reprogram a

2201
01:08:15,408 --> 01:08:17,808
chunk of our maintenance

2202
01:08:18,612 --> 01:08:21,120
activities to other facilities

2203
01:08:22,917 --> 01:08:25,320
in parks because the turf no

2204
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:26,487
longer we have to mow no long

2205
01:08:26,487 --> 01:08:29,487
trimming no longer we control

2206
01:08:29,891 --> 01:08:30,291
fertilization, no longer

2207
01:08:30,291 --> 01:08:32,291
irrigation.

2208
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,696
So that's a pretty hefty list

2209
01:08:37,733 --> 01:08:38,701
that now no longer has to be

2210
01:08:38,701 --> 01:08:39,502
done and we can redirect those

2211
01:08:39,502 --> 01:08:41,871
hours and manpower to other

2212
01:08:41,871 --> 01:08:42,705
areas in the city.

2213
01:08:42,705 --> 01:08:44,507
So it's been a maintenance

2214
01:08:44,507 --> 01:08:47,507
benefit for us and that's

2215
01:08:48,745 --> 01:08:49,813
that's why we were very bullish

2216
01:08:49,813 --> 01:08:50,147
I guess is the term on turf

2217
01:08:50,147 --> 01:08:52,147
fields.

2218
01:08:52,417 --> 01:08:53,517
We're just seen the impact of

2219
01:08:53,517 --> 01:08:56,954
ability and on the revenue side

2220
01:08:56,954 --> 01:09:00,391
and rentals but we also had a

2221
01:09:00,391 --> 01:09:01,259
very favorable response on the

2222
01:09:01,259 --> 01:09:04,259
maintenance side and so there

2223
01:09:04,629 --> 01:09:07,629
is some grooming involved but

2224
01:09:08,967 --> 01:09:11,967
other than that replenish some

2225
01:09:12,710 --> 01:09:12,738
of the infill material, there's

2226
01:09:12,738 --> 01:09:13,639
a relatively simple machine

2227
01:09:13,639 --> 01:09:16,342
that does that and then once a

2228
01:09:16,342 --> 01:09:20,542
year we bring in a service to

2229
01:09:20,981 --> 01:09:21,748
do a or complete reconditioning

2230
01:09:21,748 --> 01:09:22,115
of the field in the school

2231
01:09:22,115 --> 01:09:24,115
district.

2232
01:09:24,219 --> 01:09:27,819
Does does the same with their

2233
01:09:27,822 --> 01:09:28,789
three stadium fields and there

2234
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:31,793
we look to piggyback with the

2235
01:09:31,793 --> 01:09:32,930
school district working with

2236
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:32,861
that.

2237
01:09:32,861 --> 01:09:35,764
>> but overall the cost man

2238
01:09:35,764 --> 01:09:36,531
hours is way down and we

2239
01:09:36,531 --> 01:09:36,898
anticipate that that's the way

2240
01:09:36,898 --> 01:09:38,898
to go.

2241
01:09:39,601 --> 01:09:40,570
Try to avoid, you know, the

2242
01:09:40,570 --> 01:09:44,170
grass fields and in the upper

2243
01:09:44,273 --> 01:09:45,141
midwest this spring as if there

2244
01:09:45,141 --> 01:09:47,443
was ever an indicator this

2245
01:09:47,443 --> 01:09:50,947
spring is a good one about a

2246
01:09:50,947 --> 01:09:51,848
very, very difficult to get

2247
01:09:51,848 --> 01:09:55,850
into games and the pressure of

2248
01:09:55,850 --> 01:09:55,752
especially a varsity level or

2249
01:09:55,752 --> 01:09:58,656
high school level type play

2250
01:09:58,656 --> 01:09:59,623
very difficult but with her

2251
01:09:59,623 --> 01:10:02,230
fields playing baseball for

2252
01:10:02,527 --> 01:10:02,894
example, was a savior in many

2253
01:10:02,894 --> 01:10:04,894
respects.

2254
01:10:06,932 --> 01:10:07,933
>> we're getting games when no

2255
01:10:07,933 --> 01:10:10,135
one else was and that makes all

2256
01:10:10,135 --> 01:10:11,370
the difference and that's the

2257
01:10:11,370 --> 01:10:13,739
best part from a revenue side

2258
01:10:13,739 --> 01:10:14,540
is word of mouth.

2259
01:10:14,540 --> 01:10:15,342
If people have excellent

2260
01:10:15,342 --> 01:10:17,742
experiences they tell others

2261
01:10:21,781 --> 01:10:22,482
and then they come back other

2262
01:10:22,482 --> 01:10:23,717
other questions or discussion

2263
01:10:23,717 --> 01:10:27,317
on the mindiola item from the

2264
01:10:28,222 --> 01:10:31,222
committee I'm going to I'm

2265
01:10:31,559 --> 01:10:31,892
going to be a vote on mindiola

2266
01:10:31,892 --> 01:10:33,127
.

2267
01:10:33,127 --> 01:10:36,164
I just I just cannot I just

2268
01:10:36,164 --> 01:10:36,431
can't bring myself to support

2269
01:10:36,431 --> 01:10:37,465
it.

2270
01:10:37,465 --> 01:10:40,235
I just I'm worried about kind

2271
01:10:40,235 --> 01:10:42,738
of the overall size of the

2272
01:10:42,738 --> 01:10:43,505
project and I've not been of

2273
01:10:43,505 --> 01:10:44,473
this isn't anything new.

2274
01:10:44,473 --> 01:10:45,474
>> I've not been a big

2275
01:10:45,474 --> 01:10:46,809
proponent of it in the in the

2276
01:10:46,809 --> 01:10:48,440
five year plan.

2277
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:51,447
But if the item is passed

2278
01:10:51,447 --> 01:10:52,248
tonight, I want the committee

2279
01:10:52,248 --> 01:10:53,350
to know that this my intention

2280
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:55,519
is for this to go to the

2281
01:10:55,519 --> 01:10:56,420
council is a package and I

2282
01:10:56,420 --> 01:10:59,123
don't want to get into picking

2283
01:10:59,123 --> 01:10:59,790
this apart council if the

2284
01:10:59,790 --> 01:11:00,900
council wants to do that,

2285
01:11:00,900 --> 01:11:02,900
great.

2286
01:11:03,194 --> 01:11:04,195
>> but I do feel that this

2287
01:11:04,195 --> 01:11:06,798
needs to go to the go to the

2288
01:11:06,798 --> 01:11:07,699
full council as a package even

2289
01:11:07,699 --> 01:11:08,367
if there are one or two

2290
01:11:08,367 --> 01:11:10,335
dissenting votes on a

2291
01:11:10,335 --> 01:11:10,735
particular item as we go

2292
01:11:10,735 --> 01:11:11,737
through it.

2293
01:11:11,737 --> 01:11:12,504
And if we get into other items

2294
01:11:12,504 --> 01:11:14,673
and there's other dissenting

2295
01:11:14,673 --> 01:11:15,607
votes we all have every right

2296
01:11:15,607 --> 01:11:18,177
as a member of fifteen to pull

2297
01:11:18,177 --> 01:11:18,778
that item out and talk about it

2298
01:11:18,778 --> 01:11:19,845
additionally at council.

2299
01:11:19,845 --> 01:11:21,948
>> but I wanted to be very

2300
01:11:21,948 --> 01:11:22,949
clear as to why I was going to

2301
01:11:22,949 --> 01:11:23,616
be a no vote on this particular

2302
01:11:23,616 --> 01:11:25,285
item at finance but also

2303
01:11:25,285 --> 01:11:26,287
stressed kind of how I envision

2304
01:11:26,287 --> 01:11:29,890
this going to the council for

2305
01:11:29,890 --> 01:11:30,258
further consideration.

2306
01:11:30,258 --> 01:11:31,250
>> so all those in favor of the

2307
01:11:31,250 --> 01:11:34,250
mindiola project please sign it

2308
01:11:37,650 --> 01:11:38,333
by saying I I all no byone know

2309
01:11:38,333 --> 01:11:40,935
so that item does pass four to

2310
01:11:40,935 --> 01:11:41,603
one.

2311
01:11:41,603 --> 01:11:42,537
Ron thank you.

2312
01:11:42,537 --> 01:11:43,400
Brandon, thank you for coming

2313
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,400
in this evening.

2314
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:45,874
Appreciate the committee.

2315
01:11:45,874 --> 01:11:46,208
>> appreciate your time and

2316
01:11:46,208 --> 01:11:48,208
efforts.

2317
01:11:48,977 --> 01:11:50,146
I want to jump down because I

2318
01:11:50,146 --> 01:11:53,649
know MR. Lainer has a has a

2319
01:11:53,649 --> 01:11:54,584
commitment that he has to go to

2320
01:11:54,584 --> 01:11:56,853
so I wanted to kind of jump

2321
01:11:56,853 --> 01:11:57,721
down to capital projects that

2322
01:11:57,721 --> 01:12:00,721
one point five dollars million

2323
01:12:01,225 --> 01:12:02,250
and offer a recommendation to

2324
01:12:02,250 --> 01:12:05,290
the committee to see if there

2325
01:12:05,290 --> 01:12:05,696
would be some openness to

2326
01:12:05,696 --> 01:12:06,464
consider putting in some of

2327
01:12:06,464 --> 01:12:08,864
that dredging into this

2328
01:12:10,869 --> 01:12:12,869
particular item.

2329
01:12:14,639 --> 01:12:15,508
So I would hold off on that

2330
01:12:15,508 --> 01:12:18,477
because there's a lot there.

2331
01:12:18,477 --> 01:12:19,378
So we have a study that says

2332
01:12:19,378 --> 01:12:21,914
how much it's going to cost to

2333
01:12:21,914 --> 01:12:24,314
dredge the saratoga lake.

2334
01:12:25,752 --> 01:12:26,587
>> but we are exploring

2335
01:12:26,587 --> 01:12:28,987
different alternatives with the

2336
01:12:30,524 --> 01:12:33,527
dnr and other things and so I

2337
01:12:33,527 --> 01:12:34,395
would not advise to the

2338
01:12:34,395 --> 01:12:36,795
dedicate money that project

2339
01:12:37,799 --> 01:12:38,667
right now until we fully

2340
01:12:38,667 --> 01:12:39,500
explored all of those options.

2341
01:12:39,500 --> 01:12:39,867
>> that's just my suggestion

2342
01:12:39,867 --> 01:12:41,369
for you.

2343
01:12:41,369 --> 01:12:42,403
That's gavin.

2344
01:12:42,403 --> 01:12:42,971
>> we're here to take your

2345
01:12:42,971 --> 01:12:45,273
input so that's fair.

2346
01:12:45,273 --> 01:12:46,441
Ok, all right.

2347
01:12:46,441 --> 01:12:47,800
>> so I'll move back up to the

2348
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,408
top of the list.

2349
01:12:49,411 --> 01:12:50,780
The the we energy's led

2350
01:12:50,780 --> 01:12:50,679
conversion for three hundred

2351
01:12:50,679 --> 01:12:52,679
eighty thousand dollars.

2352
01:12:53,149 --> 01:12:53,816
Was there any further comments

2353
01:12:53,816 --> 01:12:56,552
or discussion on that item?

2354
01:12:56,552 --> 01:12:57,287
>> I'll make a motion to

2355
01:12:57,287 --> 01:13:00,287
approve that item as presented.

2356
01:13:00,423 --> 01:13:00,757
>> is there a second boils a

2357
01:13:00,757 --> 01:13:02,757
tie.

2358
01:13:03,928 --> 01:13:05,280
Alderman mannion has the second

2359
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,932
so we have a motion and a

2360
01:13:07,932 --> 01:13:08,899
second on the we energies led

2361
01:13:08,899 --> 01:13:11,837
conversion all those in favor

2362
01:13:11,837 --> 01:13:12,803
sign I I and you want to post

2363
01:13:12,803 --> 01:13:15,803
all rights that that's been

2364
01:13:16,408 --> 01:13:19,408
allocated the city portion of

2365
01:13:19,845 --> 01:13:20,379
the led conversion for 511

2366
01:13:20,379 --> 01:13:21,313
thousand dollars.

2367
01:13:21,313 --> 01:13:22,848
>> any further discussion on

2368
01:13:22,848 --> 01:13:24,848
that item?

2369
01:13:26,987 --> 01:13:27,854
I'll entertain a motion

2370
01:13:27,854 --> 01:13:30,254
alderman mcilvanney motion to

2371
01:13:31,157 --> 01:13:32,192
approve and move forward.

2372
01:13:32,192 --> 01:13:34,795
City led the conversion as part

2373
01:13:34,795 --> 01:13:35,962
of funds there are second

2374
01:13:35,962 --> 01:13:38,962
second by alderman mannion any

2375
01:13:39,133 --> 01:13:39,733
further discussion?

2376
01:13:39,733 --> 01:13:41,733
All right.

2377
01:13:43,103 --> 01:13:46,703
All those in favor sinai high

2378
01:13:46,908 --> 01:13:49,308
that item is approved.

2379
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,650
The snow melter is is there a

2380
01:13:54,650 --> 01:13:57,887
alderman lemcke I would like to

2381
01:13:57,887 --> 01:13:58,754
defer that one until we get the

2382
01:13:58,754 --> 01:13:59,188
the economic impact and labor

2383
01:13:59,188 --> 01:14:01,188
studies done.

2384
01:14:02,225 --> 01:14:02,926
If we haven't already.

2385
01:14:02,926 --> 01:14:04,926
>> thank you.

2386
01:14:05,796 --> 01:14:08,966
Any objection to I I I have

2387
01:14:08,966 --> 01:14:09,500
some general briefing

2388
01:14:09,500 --> 01:14:10,734
information.

2389
01:14:10,734 --> 01:14:13,737
>> it's not a full a full study

2390
01:14:13,737 --> 01:14:17,175
but comparing the fuel costs to

2391
01:14:17,175 --> 01:14:18,430
melting the snow which is at

2392
01:14:18,430 --> 01:14:18,743
your question was the fuel

2393
01:14:18,743 --> 01:14:21,112
costs of just running trucks

2394
01:14:21,112 --> 01:14:22,214
back and forth.

2395
01:14:22,214 --> 01:14:25,214
The fuel costs alone are

2396
01:14:25,217 --> 01:14:26,184
approximately equal.

2397
01:14:26,184 --> 01:14:29,184
>> there are a little bit

2398
01:14:29,188 --> 01:14:30,189
cheaper to run the trucks but

2399
01:14:30,189 --> 01:14:32,992
once you throw in the cost of

2400
01:14:32,992 --> 01:14:34,600
maintenance and wear and tear

2401
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:34,961
on the trucks that puts it over

2402
01:14:34,961 --> 01:14:36,730
the cost of the fuel for

2403
01:14:36,730 --> 01:14:37,864
running the the the equipment

2404
01:14:37,864 --> 01:14:40,867
that doesn't look at any of the

2405
01:14:40,867 --> 01:14:43,867
costs for man hours driving

2406
01:14:44,272 --> 01:14:45,272
trucks back and forth and the

2407
01:14:45,272 --> 01:14:48,443
man hours to run the equipment.

2408
01:14:48,443 --> 01:14:49,444
>> but you look at the man

2409
01:14:49,444 --> 01:14:50,211
hours to melt the snow with the

2410
01:14:50,211 --> 01:14:52,611
equipment it's less than

2411
01:14:52,681 --> 01:14:53,148
running ten trucks back and

2412
01:14:53,148 --> 01:14:55,148
forth all day.

2413
01:14:56,118 --> 01:14:56,952
So that's generally speaking if

2414
01:14:56,952 --> 01:14:57,753
you want more detailed

2415
01:14:57,753 --> 01:14:59,288
information we can prepare that

2416
01:14:59,288 --> 01:15:00,523
as well.

2417
01:15:00,523 --> 01:15:03,927
>> I alex, my sense from the

2418
01:15:03,927 --> 01:15:04,927
committee is that I think we

2419
01:15:04,927 --> 01:15:05,662
were looking for a I mean we

2420
01:15:05,662 --> 01:15:07,764
appreciate the information this

2421
01:15:07,764 --> 01:15:08,565
evening but my sense from the

2422
01:15:08,565 --> 01:15:09,332
committee on this was we were

2423
01:15:09,332 --> 01:15:11,335
probably looking for a little

2424
01:15:11,335 --> 01:15:12,236
bit more yeah.

2425
01:15:12,236 --> 01:15:14,636
>> what averaged rawat's you

2426
01:15:14,938 --> 01:15:15,739
know, back and forth and that

2427
01:15:15,739 --> 01:15:16,307
sort of thing that's just taken

2428
01:15:16,307 --> 01:15:18,307
into general numbers.

2429
01:15:18,876 --> 01:15:19,677
I just wanted throw that out

2430
01:15:19,677 --> 01:15:19,944
there if you know I appreciate

2431
01:15:19,944 --> 01:15:20,946
it.

2432
01:15:20,946 --> 01:15:22,514
>> so I think if there's no

2433
01:15:22,514 --> 01:15:23,515
objection from committee, I

2434
01:15:23,515 --> 01:15:24,416
think it my sense is that we're

2435
01:15:24,416 --> 01:15:25,217
going to have a little bit of

2436
01:15:25,217 --> 01:15:28,520
wiggle room as we finish out

2437
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:29,655
the ten point eight.

2438
01:15:29,655 --> 01:15:30,289
>> one last thing if in

2439
01:15:30,289 --> 01:15:32,289
particular alderman lemcke

2440
01:15:32,892 --> 01:15:33,793
maybe some education as to why

2441
01:15:33,793 --> 01:15:36,496
we can't just put this on a

2442
01:15:36,496 --> 01:15:40,960
grass field and let that melt

2443
01:15:40,233 --> 01:15:41,201
by itself that you know, they

2444
01:15:41,201 --> 01:15:42,270
said you can't do that.

2445
01:15:42,270 --> 01:15:44,137
And I said well wait a minute,

2446
01:15:44,137 --> 01:15:45,339
if it's in the street, why

2447
01:15:45,339 --> 01:15:46,600
can't it melt but it can't melt

2448
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,476
on grass in a pile.

2449
01:15:48,476 --> 01:15:49,143
>> so I just ma education on

2450
01:15:49,143 --> 01:15:49,744
why that's not allowed.

2451
01:15:49,744 --> 01:15:51,744
>> thank you.

2452
01:15:52,180 --> 01:15:52,447
Sure we can get that for you

2453
01:15:52,447 --> 01:15:53,581
too.

2454
01:15:53,581 --> 01:15:56,840
It has a lot to do with the nra

2455
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:56,885
and just think about the amount

2456
01:15:56,885 --> 01:15:57,452
of trucks driving in over grass

2457
01:15:57,452 --> 01:15:59,388
and things like that.

2458
01:15:59,388 --> 01:16:00,456
You'd be a big a big mudhole to

2459
01:16:00,456 --> 01:16:01,724
begin with right away but yeah.

2460
01:16:01,724 --> 01:16:04,127
>> so the snow melters not a

2461
01:16:04,127 --> 01:16:07,330
snow it's just a not right now

2462
01:16:07,330 --> 01:16:08,310
but very good.

2463
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:08,631
That's my one.

2464
01:16:08,631 --> 01:16:10,631
That's my one.

2465
01:16:11,167 --> 01:16:11,735
It's my one joke of the year at

2466
01:16:11,735 --> 01:16:12,335
the finance committee.

2467
01:16:12,335 --> 01:16:13,403
>> they appreciate that.

2468
01:16:13,403 --> 01:16:15,405
So we're going to we're going

2469
01:16:15,405 --> 01:16:16,307
to we'll put the snow melter on

2470
01:16:16,307 --> 01:16:19,770
hold and we'll have kevin work

2471
01:16:19,770 --> 01:16:19,677
with staff bring that back at a

2472
01:16:19,677 --> 01:16:20,578
future finance committee

2473
01:16:20,578 --> 01:16:22,130
meeting as we as we kind of

2474
01:16:22,130 --> 01:16:25,130
round out arpa, the central

2475
01:16:26,217 --> 01:16:26,985
city storefront activists

2476
01:16:26,985 --> 01:16:28,587
activate activation for the

2477
01:16:28,587 --> 01:16:30,987
800000 dollars there motion on

2478
01:16:32,591 --> 01:16:34,591
that item.

2479
01:16:36,962 --> 01:16:39,962
>> alderman lemcke, I'd like to

2480
01:16:40,867 --> 01:16:41,868
make them a question, you know,

2481
01:16:41,868 --> 01:16:42,535
a statement as to how I feel

2482
01:16:42,535 --> 01:16:44,637
about it before I vote.

2483
01:16:44,637 --> 01:16:45,806
Thank you.

2484
01:16:45,806 --> 01:16:46,273
>> note we can we can take a

2485
01:16:46,273 --> 01:16:47,507
half step back.

2486
01:16:47,507 --> 01:16:48,842
Rick the floor is yours.

2487
01:16:48,842 --> 01:16:51,645
So I think it's a good idea to

2488
01:16:51,645 --> 01:16:54,450
offer storefronts help on

2489
01:16:55,617 --> 01:16:56,651
upgrading for sprinklers.

2490
01:16:56,651 --> 01:16:59,420
>> it makes the occupants of

2491
01:16:59,420 --> 01:17:00,755
the building safer.

2492
01:17:00,755 --> 01:17:04,393
So it's a public safety as well

2493
01:17:04,393 --> 01:17:07,363
as it is a increase in value of

2494
01:17:07,363 --> 01:17:08,497
the property.

2495
01:17:08,497 --> 01:17:11,401
For example, if they if the

2496
01:17:11,401 --> 01:17:12,268
property sells with sprinkler

2497
01:17:12,268 --> 01:17:12,869
versus no sprinklers it's going

2498
01:17:12,869 --> 01:17:15,269
to sell for more.

2499
01:17:15,505 --> 01:17:16,339
So therefore the property tax

2500
01:17:16,339 --> 01:17:19,339
is going to be greater.

2501
01:17:19,509 --> 01:17:20,677
>> I don't like the idea of for

2502
01:17:20,677 --> 01:17:23,677
example, if a sprinkler system

2503
01:17:23,747 --> 01:17:24,849
costs eighty thousand dollars

2504
01:17:24,849 --> 01:17:27,351
making a grant to the person

2505
01:17:27,351 --> 01:17:27,685
who is going to receive the

2506
01:17:27,685 --> 01:17:29,685
benefit.

2507
01:17:30,355 --> 01:17:31,623
>> in other words the store

2508
01:17:31,623 --> 01:17:35,270
owner but I wouldn't mind a low

2509
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:38,627
interest loan with a five to

2510
01:17:38,831 --> 01:17:41,831
seven year payback and maybe

2511
01:17:42,335 --> 01:17:43,202
some grant money maybe 10 15

2512
01:17:43,202 --> 01:17:46,202
percent because I want the

2513
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:47,841
funds to keep coming back, you

2514
01:17:47,841 --> 01:17:51,110
know, but I wouldn't be in

2515
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:51,812
favor of saying here's one

2516
01:17:51,812 --> 01:17:52,279
hundred thousand dollars to do

2517
01:17:52,279 --> 01:17:54,279
your sprinkler.

2518
01:17:55,282 --> 01:17:56,250
>> I could say here's ten

2519
01:17:56,250 --> 01:17:59,530
thousand dollars to do your

2520
01:17:59,530 --> 01:18:01,589
sprinkler in an eighty thousand

2521
01:18:01,589 --> 01:18:02,557
dollar loan over five years at

2522
01:18:02,557 --> 01:18:03,525
very low maybe one percent

2523
01:18:03,525 --> 01:18:05,694
interest just to get it paid

2524
01:18:05,694 --> 01:18:06,828
back.

2525
01:18:06,828 --> 01:18:09,565
So I would be in favor of

2526
01:18:09,565 --> 01:18:10,532
something like that and I like

2527
01:18:10,532 --> 01:18:13,603
the fact that they raised the

2528
01:18:13,603 --> 01:18:14,470
amount of the central city

2529
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:17,470
store storefront to make more

2530
01:18:17,874 --> 01:18:18,208
money available for the

2531
01:18:18,208 --> 01:18:19,142
program.

2532
01:18:19,142 --> 01:18:21,678
>> so that's just my thoughts.

2533
01:18:21,678 --> 01:18:22,813
Thank you.

2534
01:18:22,813 --> 01:18:23,800
I guess kevin, I'll turn it to

2535
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,800
you.

2536
01:18:26,517 --> 01:18:29,870
Is there I mean is this is this

2537
01:18:29,870 --> 01:18:29,987
particular item that the staff

2538
01:18:29,987 --> 01:18:30,655
would like a little bit more

2539
01:18:30,655 --> 01:18:33,324
time on to kind of.

2540
01:18:33,324 --> 01:18:34,225
>> well, I can I can give you

2541
01:18:34,225 --> 01:18:37,529
the detail that we have today

2542
01:18:37,529 --> 01:18:38,430
and you you mean if you approve

2543
01:18:38,430 --> 01:18:40,532
it as part of the outline we

2544
01:18:40,532 --> 01:18:41,734
can flesh out the details of

2545
01:18:41,734 --> 01:18:42,367
the program so as we as it's

2546
01:18:42,367 --> 01:18:44,367
currently constructed and

2547
01:18:45,304 --> 01:18:46,206
jennifer can help me if I mess

2548
01:18:46,206 --> 01:18:48,408
up any of the details is that

2549
01:18:48,408 --> 01:18:48,775
we have it as a very low

2550
01:18:48,775 --> 01:18:50,900
interest.

2551
01:18:50,900 --> 01:18:52,178
i think it's one percent loan

2552
01:18:52,178 --> 01:18:54,578
program revolving loan program.

2553
01:18:55,749 --> 01:18:56,650
>> and so the idea is is that

2554
01:18:56,650 --> 01:18:59,650
you give people the opportunity

2555
01:18:59,653 --> 01:19:02,530
to improve their their

2556
01:19:03,858 --> 01:19:04,859
commercial space at a very low

2557
01:19:04,859 --> 01:19:05,660
rate lower than I am able to

2558
01:19:05,660 --> 01:19:06,628
get from any bank or anywhere

2559
01:19:06,628 --> 01:19:07,796
else and then you're able to

2560
01:19:07,796 --> 01:19:10,999
pay back to us over time and

2561
01:19:10,999 --> 01:19:11,900
then that regenerates and so

2562
01:19:11,900 --> 01:19:14,970
it's revolving so we're able to

2563
01:19:14,970 --> 01:19:15,972
reinsert money back into, you

2564
01:19:15,972 --> 01:19:18,975
know, the central city to keep

2565
01:19:18,975 --> 01:19:20,975
that money going.

2566
01:19:22,746 --> 01:19:23,814
No objection to doing a part

2567
01:19:23,814 --> 01:19:24,281
grant, you know, helping folks

2568
01:19:24,281 --> 01:19:26,281
out doing that.

2569
01:19:26,650 --> 01:19:27,185
We were just how we construct

2570
01:19:27,185 --> 01:19:28,318
the program.

2571
01:19:28,318 --> 01:19:29,187
But the idea was is to keep

2572
01:19:29,187 --> 01:19:31,622
that money coming back and

2573
01:19:31,622 --> 01:19:32,423
having a little bit of earnings

2574
01:19:32,423 --> 01:19:32,690
so we could keep reinvesting in

2575
01:19:32,690 --> 01:19:34,690
it.

2576
01:19:35,393 --> 01:19:39,231
>> so that's the way the way we

2577
01:19:39,231 --> 01:19:39,998
have the program set up as it

2578
01:19:39,998 --> 01:19:42,601
was proposed is a revolving

2579
01:19:42,601 --> 01:19:45,604
grant program with like a one

2580
01:19:45,604 --> 01:19:46,171
percent rate that would help

2581
01:19:46,171 --> 01:19:47,373
keep regenerating.

2582
01:19:47,373 --> 01:19:50,373
>> and there are there are

2583
01:19:51,277 --> 01:19:54,277
nuances to how we structure

2584
01:19:54,414 --> 01:19:55,215
that we can you know, we can do

2585
01:19:55,215 --> 01:19:56,820
a bunch of different ways when

2586
01:19:56,820 --> 01:19:58,585
we develop the actual program

2587
01:19:58,585 --> 01:20:01,585
documents can remind you remind

2588
01:20:02,189 --> 01:20:03,390
me that was that the who was

2589
01:20:03,390 --> 01:20:06,694
what body was going to approve

2590
01:20:06,694 --> 01:20:07,395
those was not going to be done

2591
01:20:07,395 --> 01:20:09,395
by redevelopment redevelopment

2592
01:20:10,265 --> 01:20:11,132
authority would approve the

2593
01:20:11,132 --> 01:20:11,533
would approve the loan at the

2594
01:20:11,533 --> 01:20:13,533
application.

2595
01:20:14,537 --> 01:20:15,237
>> yeah and if there was a

2596
01:20:15,237 --> 01:20:16,805
grant component as well that's

2597
01:20:16,805 --> 01:20:21,500
what we would that's what we do

2598
01:20:21,210 --> 01:20:25,480
on one it'd be I mean like if

2599
01:20:25,480 --> 01:20:26,149
you we did the the covid stuff

2600
01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:29,520
you know we had a little loan

2601
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:30,200
committee that did that that

2602
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:30,720
worked out pretty well but we

2603
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:33,900
had the existing redevelopment

2604
01:20:33,900 --> 01:20:33,991
authority it seemed like a good

2605
01:20:33,991 --> 01:20:34,792
match for that and they already

2606
01:20:34,792 --> 01:20:36,994
do some of that stuff already

2607
01:20:36,994 --> 01:20:37,862
with some of the facade grants

2608
01:20:37,862 --> 01:20:40,632
and things that we have.

2609
01:20:40,632 --> 01:20:41,599
Yeah, I'm I'm not you know, I'm

2610
01:20:41,599 --> 01:20:42,500
not completely against the idea

2611
01:20:42,500 --> 01:20:42,801
of having some of this be a

2612
01:20:42,801 --> 01:20:44,670
grant.

2613
01:20:44,670 --> 01:20:45,470
I think that that is something

2614
01:20:45,470 --> 01:20:47,907
that we could be open to.

2615
01:20:47,907 --> 01:20:48,907
But I also like the loan

2616
01:20:48,907 --> 01:20:49,608
program idea because it does to

2617
01:20:49,608 --> 01:20:52,378
your point kind of regenerate

2618
01:20:52,378 --> 01:20:53,312
funds that can loaned out.

2619
01:20:53,312 --> 01:20:55,915
I guess my question for the

2620
01:20:55,915 --> 01:20:56,783
committee is are we comfortable

2621
01:20:56,783 --> 01:20:59,783
approving this and kind of

2622
01:20:59,820 --> 01:21:00,554
letting redevelopment authority

2623
01:21:00,554 --> 01:21:02,954
work out the details?

2624
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:04,892
I'm comfortable with that

2625
01:21:04,892 --> 01:21:05,559
because I've I have experience

2626
01:21:05,559 --> 01:21:06,226
with redevelopment authority

2627
01:21:06,226 --> 01:21:08,597
and and they have experience

2628
01:21:08,597 --> 01:21:09,564
with these particular programs.

2629
01:21:09,564 --> 01:21:10,164
But I just wanted that sense

2630
01:21:10,164 --> 01:21:10,498
from the committee this

2631
01:21:10,498 --> 01:21:12,498
evening.

2632
01:21:14,102 --> 01:21:14,937
So alderman battelle's I'm

2633
01:21:14,937 --> 01:21:17,937
comfortable with the grant and

2634
01:21:20,175 --> 01:21:23,775
the the loan portion also have

2635
01:21:24,914 --> 01:21:26,150
the if we could pass that on to

2636
01:21:26,150 --> 01:21:28,585
them, I don't think that we

2637
01:21:28,585 --> 01:21:31,555
needed to say that right now.

2638
01:21:31,555 --> 01:21:35,250
So the one question I had those

2639
01:21:35,250 --> 01:21:35,859
kevin went to 800000.

2640
01:21:35,859 --> 01:21:37,859
What was the 800000?

2641
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:40,664
The rationale behind that?

2642
01:21:40,664 --> 01:21:43,434
I mean is it a number of

2643
01:21:43,434 --> 01:21:45,834
storefronts that have expressed

2644
01:21:46,972 --> 01:21:48,107
interest in the past or no.

2645
01:21:48,107 --> 01:21:50,909
>> I mean literally it was just

2646
01:21:50,909 --> 01:21:51,910
trying to make the numbers work

2647
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:55,181
and reflect you guys had had

2648
01:21:55,181 --> 01:21:56,282
talked about I'm trying to put

2649
01:21:56,282 --> 01:21:57,984
more money into it and I think

2650
01:21:57,984 --> 01:21:58,951
that that is a good idea

2651
01:21:58,951 --> 01:21:59,552
especially with the most recent

2652
01:21:59,552 --> 01:21:59,887
estimates that folks are

2653
01:21:59,887 --> 01:22:01,887
getting.

2654
01:22:01,988 --> 01:22:02,857
You know, so you heard them

2655
01:22:02,857 --> 01:22:05,857
firsthand what's going on in

2656
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:07,327
the marketplace and so if

2657
01:22:07,327 --> 01:22:10,297
you're you know, we have two

2658
01:22:10,297 --> 01:22:11,332
potential applicants here.

2659
01:22:11,332 --> 01:22:13,935
I heard up to three hundred

2660
01:22:13,935 --> 01:22:15,300
thousand dollars worth of loans

2661
01:22:15,300 --> 01:22:15,470
and grants going out the door

2662
01:22:15,470 --> 01:22:17,470
for two stores.

2663
01:22:18,807 --> 01:22:22,407
>> so that was just as great

2664
01:22:22,678 --> 01:22:23,712
divvying up the numbers that's

2665
01:22:23,712 --> 01:22:25,882
where I was able to get to was

2666
01:22:25,882 --> 01:22:26,983
eight hundred thousand ok,

2667
01:22:26,983 --> 01:22:29,686
because I was on the same

2668
01:22:29,686 --> 01:22:33,286
thought as you when hearing the

2669
01:22:33,490 --> 01:22:34,391
dollars that were we're seeing

2670
01:22:34,391 --> 01:22:35,492
here for some of these quotes

2671
01:22:35,492 --> 01:22:37,794
and I was going to take the

2672
01:22:37,794 --> 01:22:40,794
deferred item of the snow

2673
01:22:41,198 --> 01:22:44,198
melter and put that into 800000

2674
01:22:45,737 --> 01:22:46,638
but because I would think the

2675
01:22:46,638 --> 01:22:49,638
downtown needs need some help

2676
01:22:49,841 --> 01:22:53,478
and if we have the money we

2677
01:22:53,478 --> 01:22:54,279
should do it and that's why I

2678
01:22:54,279 --> 01:22:56,949
really like the idea of the

2679
01:22:56,949 --> 01:22:57,816
loan and and the grant and

2680
01:22:57,816 --> 01:22:59,285
redevelopment authority I think

2681
01:22:59,285 --> 01:22:59,785
can run with this.

2682
01:22:59,785 --> 01:23:01,785
Thanks.

2683
01:23:03,923 --> 01:23:04,591
Ok, so I guess before I

2684
01:23:04,591 --> 01:23:06,991
entertain emotion I'll just

2685
01:23:07,628 --> 01:23:08,328
going to ask the committee is

2686
01:23:08,328 --> 01:23:09,297
there any objection from the

2687
01:23:09,297 --> 01:23:11,932
committee that if this item is

2688
01:23:11,932 --> 01:23:12,600
passed that we allocate the or

2689
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,303
we recommend the council the

2690
01:23:15,303 --> 01:23:16,700
allocation of the 800 thousand

2691
01:23:16,700 --> 01:23:16,737
dollars and we let the

2692
01:23:16,737 --> 01:23:18,737
redevelopment authority sort

2693
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:19,707
out the difference between a

2694
01:23:19,707 --> 01:23:20,241
grant and the loan program?

2695
01:23:20,241 --> 01:23:22,241
Is that fair?

2696
01:23:23,378 --> 01:23:24,513
Alderman lemke?

2697
01:23:24,513 --> 01:23:26,915
>> one of the reasons I

2698
01:23:26,915 --> 01:23:27,783
outlined my parameters, you

2699
01:23:27,783 --> 01:23:30,487
know, like a one percent loan

2700
01:23:30,487 --> 01:23:31,487
and either a ten or fifteen

2701
01:23:31,487 --> 01:23:34,190
percent grant is so that we can

2702
01:23:34,190 --> 01:23:35,157
make it available to the most

2703
01:23:35,157 --> 01:23:35,925
amount of people and as the

2704
01:23:35,925 --> 01:23:38,862
chair of the redevelopment at

2705
01:23:38,862 --> 01:23:39,629
least this year, I wanted to

2706
01:23:39,629 --> 01:23:41,899
let the committee here know

2707
01:23:41,899 --> 01:23:45,499
what my thinking was so that

2708
01:23:45,636 --> 01:23:46,804
the rda could that's where I'm

2709
01:23:46,804 --> 01:23:47,905
coming from, you know, I mean I

2710
01:23:47,905 --> 01:23:50,800
don't think I would do a zero

2711
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:50,909
percent interest and I don't

2712
01:23:50,909 --> 01:23:53,378
think I'd be in favor of any

2713
01:23:53,378 --> 01:23:54,246
more than a fifteen percent

2714
01:23:54,246 --> 01:23:57,246
grant because it is improving

2715
01:23:57,349 --> 01:23:58,217
the property value and the

2716
01:23:58,217 --> 01:24:00,617
owner of the property

2717
01:24:01,787 --> 01:24:02,688
theoretically when they sell

2718
01:24:02,688 --> 01:24:05,391
the building would be able to

2719
01:24:05,391 --> 01:24:06,392
get that back not fully but a

2720
01:24:06,392 --> 01:24:06,693
good portion of it in increased

2721
01:24:06,693 --> 01:24:08,693
value.

2722
01:24:09,963 --> 01:24:13,567
So but I want to make it an

2723
01:24:13,567 --> 01:24:14,335
encouragement to to get the

2724
01:24:14,335 --> 01:24:14,668
upgrades done for the public

2725
01:24:14,668 --> 01:24:16,668
safety.

2726
01:24:20,174 --> 01:24:21,409
Thank ok.

2727
01:24:21,409 --> 01:24:24,979
So we don't have a motion yet.

2728
01:24:24,979 --> 01:24:25,948
Alderman mannion, if the

2729
01:24:25,948 --> 01:24:29,510
devil's in the details as they

2730
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:32,651
say and I would feel more

2731
01:24:32,788 --> 01:24:35,788
comfortable voting on this item

2732
01:24:35,791 --> 01:24:39,391
if we actually knew what the

2733
01:24:40,290 --> 01:24:41,970
redevelopment authority's

2734
01:24:41,970 --> 01:24:41,998
decision would be or how this

2735
01:24:41,998 --> 01:24:43,734
was actually going to be

2736
01:24:43,734 --> 01:24:44,868
structured.

2737
01:24:44,868 --> 01:24:45,770
>> I'm kind of on board with

2738
01:24:45,770 --> 01:24:47,971
what rick just said and what

2739
01:24:47,971 --> 01:24:48,839
alderman lemcke just said with,

2740
01:24:48,839 --> 01:24:51,839
you know, a small amount

2741
01:24:51,877 --> 01:24:52,543
possibly as a grant and a low

2742
01:24:52,543 --> 01:24:53,478
interest loan for the rest.

2743
01:24:53,478 --> 01:24:56,314
I think my preference would

2744
01:24:56,314 --> 01:24:56,915
actually be to see it stay as a

2745
01:24:56,915 --> 01:24:58,915
loan program completely.

2746
01:25:00,119 --> 01:25:01,200
But I could live with, you

2747
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:03,589
know, a small grant program but

2748
01:25:03,589 --> 01:25:04,456
there's no guarantee that just

2749
01:25:04,456 --> 01:25:07,456
because the CHAIRMAN Of the

2750
01:25:07,660 --> 01:25:08,427
redevelopment authority is in

2751
01:25:08,427 --> 01:25:09,195
favor of that that that's

2752
01:25:09,195 --> 01:25:11,595
actually what the redevelopment

2753
01:25:11,998 --> 01:25:15,598
authority is going to go with

2754
01:25:15,937 --> 01:25:16,803
and that's my that would be my

2755
01:25:16,803 --> 01:25:19,803
concern and my reservation and

2756
01:25:19,907 --> 01:25:20,908
voting voting for this and

2757
01:25:20,908 --> 01:25:24,508
saying let's just turn it over

2758
01:25:29,384 --> 01:25:30,652
to them to manage any other so

2759
01:25:30,652 --> 01:25:31,787
I guess I want to I want to

2760
01:25:31,787 --> 01:25:34,157
take again taken of a half step

2761
01:25:34,157 --> 01:25:36,557
back, alderman bartel's floated

2762
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,730
the idea about the spot in the

2763
01:25:40,730 --> 01:25:41,698
snow melter.

2764
01:25:41,698 --> 01:25:44,801
I'm going to ask the committee

2765
01:25:44,801 --> 01:25:45,402
from kind of a is that

2766
01:25:45,402 --> 01:25:46,137
something that we would

2767
01:25:46,137 --> 01:25:49,720
consider putting into that or

2768
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:49,640
are we still inclined to wait

2769
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,400
to get some additional

2770
01:25:52,243 --> 01:25:52,577
information on the snow melter

2771
01:25:52,577 --> 01:25:54,577
?

2772
01:25:57,820 --> 01:25:57,482
>> and I bear with me a little

2773
01:25:57,482 --> 01:25:58,583
bit, folks.

2774
01:25:58,583 --> 01:25:59,417
>> I mean this is kind of

2775
01:25:59,417 --> 01:26:00,850
uncharted territory as we hand

2776
01:26:00,850 --> 01:26:02,850
out these funds.

2777
01:26:03,922 --> 01:26:04,623
>> so I'm just kind of breaking

2778
01:26:04,623 --> 01:26:05,524
from my normal convention and

2779
01:26:05,524 --> 01:26:08,260
how I do this type of thing.

2780
01:26:08,260 --> 01:26:08,794
>> but I just want to try to

2781
01:26:08,794 --> 01:26:10,794
get some consensus.

2782
01:26:11,970 --> 01:26:11,964
>> alderman lemcke, at this

2783
01:26:11,964 --> 01:26:14,801
point I'm not in favor of the

2784
01:26:14,801 --> 01:26:15,669
storm shelter at all using arpa

2785
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:18,572
dollars I wouldn't be adverse

2786
01:26:18,572 --> 01:26:19,307
to putting that dollar amount

2787
01:26:19,307 --> 01:26:21,707
into the storefront activation

2788
01:26:22,643 --> 01:26:25,430
because that's public safety.

2789
01:26:26,414 --> 01:26:29,417
We're all the public who visit

2790
01:26:29,417 --> 01:26:30,618
a place downtown for example, a

2791
01:26:30,618 --> 01:26:34,218
restaurant or you know, I go

2792
01:26:41,731 --> 01:26:42,732
into nice ash I'm not promoting

2793
01:26:42,732 --> 01:26:43,699
them but I go into their

2794
01:26:43,699 --> 01:26:44,701
basement, ok, and play cards

2795
01:26:44,701 --> 01:26:45,468
down here every once in a while

2796
01:26:45,468 --> 01:26:46,170
I make a tremendous cost to

2797
01:26:46,170 --> 01:26:46,970
make that it's all sprinklered

2798
01:26:46,970 --> 01:26:49,940
underneath there and I would

2799
01:26:49,940 --> 01:26:52,940
not feel comfortable going into

2800
01:26:53,143 --> 01:26:54,245
the basement of a downtown

2801
01:26:54,245 --> 01:26:57,140
establishment or even some of

2802
01:26:57,140 --> 01:26:59,414
the places without sprinklers.

2803
01:27:01,850 --> 01:27:01,419
So I feel confident in public

2804
01:27:01,419 --> 01:27:02,120
safety.

2805
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,520
They're having the sprinklers

2806
01:27:04,857 --> 01:27:09,610
and I and I'm I'm in courage in

2807
01:27:09,610 --> 01:27:09,662
the city to try to help in a

2808
01:27:09,662 --> 01:27:10,497
way of encouraging it.

2809
01:27:10,497 --> 01:27:11,497
You can't force them unless

2810
01:27:11,497 --> 01:27:12,631
they're put in a new business

2811
01:27:12,631 --> 01:27:13,767
in.

2812
01:27:13,767 --> 01:27:17,170
So I wouldn't be adverse to to

2813
01:27:17,170 --> 01:27:19,873
making it in and again with the

2814
01:27:19,873 --> 01:27:20,975
rda I think that every member

2815
01:27:20,975 --> 01:27:24,277
of the rda would would keep the

2816
01:27:24,277 --> 01:27:27,481
grant portion you know in the

2817
01:27:27,481 --> 01:27:28,482
ten to fifteen percent because

2818
01:27:28,482 --> 01:27:29,250
the only ones that we really

2819
01:27:29,250 --> 01:27:31,650
approve of anything different

2820
01:27:32,253 --> 01:27:34,757
in grants is somebody who is

2821
01:27:34,757 --> 01:27:35,390
below the poverty level to to

2822
01:27:35,390 --> 01:27:36,658
increase their house.

2823
01:27:36,658 --> 01:27:39,328
>> everything else is kind of a

2824
01:27:39,328 --> 01:27:39,962
payback type of a situation.

2825
01:27:39,962 --> 01:27:41,962
>> thank you.

2826
01:27:43,399 --> 01:27:46,999
Ok, for any other discussion on

2827
01:27:47,203 --> 01:27:48,105
this I guess one question I

2828
01:27:48,105 --> 01:27:51,105
would have is and jennifer

2829
01:27:51,908 --> 01:27:52,709
kevin maybe put you on the spot

2830
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:53,900
a little bit to alderman and

2831
01:27:53,900 --> 01:27:55,900
point.

2832
01:27:55,412 --> 01:27:58,716
I mean what you know is there

2833
01:27:58,716 --> 01:27:59,683
kind of a is there some math

2834
01:27:59,683 --> 01:28:00,685
that exists now in terms of

2835
01:28:00,685 --> 01:28:02,753
what you know, what should be

2836
01:28:02,753 --> 01:28:03,554
given out as a grant versus a

2837
01:28:03,554 --> 01:28:06,900
loan or is that something that

2838
01:28:06,900 --> 01:28:06,958
the that the rda potentially us

2839
01:28:06,958 --> 01:28:10,558
would have to would have to

2840
01:28:10,562 --> 01:28:11,463
figure out or do you have some

2841
01:28:11,463 --> 01:28:12,331
type of a kind of a recommend

2842
01:28:12,331 --> 01:28:14,990
kind of a high level

2843
01:28:14,990 --> 01:28:14,734
recommendation keep the

2844
01:28:14,734 --> 01:28:15,634
conversation moving along.

2845
01:28:15,634 --> 01:28:17,970
>> I don't have a

2846
01:28:17,970 --> 01:28:18,771
recommendation tonight but we

2847
01:28:18,771 --> 01:28:19,506
can certainly hold a special

2848
01:28:19,506 --> 01:28:21,506
redevelopment authority meeting

2849
01:28:22,408 --> 01:28:23,110
this month to make sure that we

2850
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:26,110
get a program vetted and

2851
01:28:26,113 --> 01:28:26,747
approved so that we can start

2852
01:28:26,747 --> 01:28:28,747
taking applications fairly

2853
01:28:30,417 --> 01:28:31,118
quickly and so we want to get

2854
01:28:31,118 --> 01:28:34,118
back together and think about

2855
01:28:34,121 --> 01:28:34,622
that a little bit before I make

2856
01:28:34,622 --> 01:28:36,622
a recommendation.

2857
01:28:37,625 --> 01:28:38,627
>> but um, we're open to doing

2858
01:28:38,627 --> 01:28:42,197
that so it moves along quickly.

2859
01:28:42,197 --> 01:28:45,197
>> ok, alderman bartles, if I

2860
01:28:45,601 --> 01:28:48,601
could get the committee to

2861
01:28:48,705 --> 01:28:49,839
agree to move the uh the

2862
01:28:49,839 --> 01:28:52,839
deferred snow melter into this

2863
01:28:54,477 --> 01:28:57,477
800000 I am fine with whatever

2864
01:28:58,150 --> 01:28:58,782
the committee decides as far as

2865
01:28:58,782 --> 01:29:01,182
having the finance committee

2866
01:29:01,485 --> 01:29:02,187
decides a redevelopment that's

2867
01:29:02,187 --> 01:29:04,221
not a showstopper for me.

2868
01:29:04,221 --> 01:29:04,521
I'd rather get more money into

2869
01:29:04,521 --> 01:29:06,521
this.

2870
01:29:08,693 --> 01:29:11,693
>> um, so whatever that emotion

2871
01:29:12,397 --> 01:29:15,397
people that that is emotion.

2872
01:29:16,268 --> 01:29:17,269
>> so your motion is to combine

2873
01:29:17,269 --> 01:29:19,271
the snow melter and the in with

2874
01:29:19,271 --> 01:29:19,939
the central city storefront

2875
01:29:19,939 --> 01:29:22,339
activities activision for a

2876
01:29:22,942 --> 01:29:23,376
million for a total of one

2877
01:29:23,376 --> 01:29:24,210
million 250.

2878
01:29:24,210 --> 01:29:26,610
>> it's my math right.

2879
01:29:30,784 --> 01:29:31,819
Denise ok.

2880
01:29:31,819 --> 01:29:32,319
>> yes, that's my motion.

2881
01:29:32,319 --> 01:29:33,420
All right.

2882
01:29:33,420 --> 01:29:35,623
Is there a second to that

2883
01:29:35,623 --> 01:29:38,623
motion on my elderly second

2884
01:29:38,927 --> 01:29:39,361
sentence second that snow is

2885
01:29:39,361 --> 01:29:40,528
snow melter.

2886
01:29:40,528 --> 01:29:42,497
>> so we have and we have a

2887
01:29:42,497 --> 01:29:43,231
motion in a second to increase

2888
01:29:43,231 --> 01:29:45,631
the central city storefront

2889
01:29:46,435 --> 01:29:47,169
activation to one point

2890
01:29:47,169 --> 01:29:49,905
twenty five million dollars and

2891
01:29:49,905 --> 01:29:50,673
then in a sense removing the

2892
01:29:50,673 --> 01:29:53,730
snow melter from consideration.

2893
01:29:53,442 --> 01:29:54,677
I'm going to support that too.

2894
01:29:54,677 --> 01:29:57,180
I've been I mean, alex, I know

2895
01:29:57,180 --> 01:29:58,281
you're not probably married to

2896
01:29:58,281 --> 01:29:59,282
the snow melter, but I was kind

2897
01:29:59,282 --> 01:30:01,184
of on the on the fence a little

2898
01:30:01,184 --> 01:30:02,119
bit with this item as well.

2899
01:30:02,119 --> 01:30:02,853
>> and I agree with the

2900
01:30:02,853 --> 01:30:04,588
consensus of the committee that

2901
01:30:04,588 --> 01:30:05,657
i think that this would

2902
01:30:05,657 --> 01:30:07,925
probably a little bit of a

2903
01:30:07,925 --> 01:30:09,260
better use of funds.

2904
01:30:09,260 --> 01:30:12,260
>> MISS Andrews, you had a

2905
01:30:12,430 --> 01:30:14,830
comment just one clarification

2906
01:30:16,468 --> 01:30:17,235
before you voted can just make

2907
01:30:17,235 --> 01:30:18,136
it clear if the program is

2908
01:30:18,136 --> 01:30:20,539
going to the final decision on

2909
01:30:20,539 --> 01:30:21,240
the program details is with

2910
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:22,141
redevelopment authority or if

2911
01:30:22,141 --> 01:30:24,543
that needs to come back to

2912
01:30:24,543 --> 01:30:28,143
finance for council just so we

2913
01:30:28,347 --> 01:30:29,349
know the process well, I'll

2914
01:30:29,349 --> 01:30:32,185
take it back to the to the

2915
01:30:32,185 --> 01:30:32,987
maker in the second or in terms

2916
01:30:32,987 --> 01:30:36,587
of what what your what your

2917
01:30:38,793 --> 01:30:40,793
gentleman's preference is.

2918
01:30:43,498 --> 01:30:44,299
So let's let's do this because

2919
01:30:44,299 --> 01:30:46,668
I think I think there's some

2920
01:30:46,668 --> 01:30:47,536
there's some merit to having

2921
01:30:47,536 --> 01:30:48,337
the finance committee being

2922
01:30:48,337 --> 01:30:49,305
able to report to council kind

2923
01:30:49,305 --> 01:30:50,272
of how these dollars are being

2924
01:30:50,272 --> 01:30:51,207
allocated.

2925
01:30:51,207 --> 01:30:51,907
>> so if it's if we're

2926
01:30:51,907 --> 01:30:54,307
comfortable with the committee

2927
01:30:54,577 --> 01:30:55,378
as we can, we can make a motion

2928
01:30:55,378 --> 01:30:56,245
to approve or to allocate the

2929
01:30:56,245 --> 01:30:58,414
one point twenty five dollars

2930
01:30:58,414 --> 01:31:00,814
million ask the redevelopment

2931
01:31:02,352 --> 01:31:03,253
authority to have a meeting to

2932
01:31:03,253 --> 01:31:06,557
kind of shake out the details

2933
01:31:06,557 --> 01:31:07,357
and I guess this is the part

2934
01:31:07,357 --> 01:31:08,125
where I want to get some

2935
01:31:08,125 --> 01:31:10,525
consensus and have perhaps

2936
01:31:10,628 --> 01:31:11,362
jennifer or rick come back to

2937
01:31:11,362 --> 01:31:13,798
the finance committee with more

2938
01:31:13,798 --> 01:31:14,866
of a matter of report around

2939
01:31:14,866 --> 01:31:17,969
that item or does the finance

2940
01:31:17,969 --> 01:31:20,969
committee want to approve what

2941
01:31:20,972 --> 01:31:21,307
the redevelopment authority did

2942
01:31:21,307 --> 01:31:22,241
?

2943
01:31:22,241 --> 01:31:22,941
My sense is that we've given

2944
01:31:22,941 --> 01:31:24,910
the redevelopment we've given

2945
01:31:24,910 --> 01:31:25,978
jennifer and brick enough

2946
01:31:25,978 --> 01:31:26,679
direction in terms of what the

2947
01:31:26,679 --> 01:31:29,790
finance committee is thinking

2948
01:31:29,810 --> 01:31:30,830
that I'd like to give them a

2949
01:31:30,830 --> 01:31:30,984
little bit of latitude to make

2950
01:31:30,984 --> 01:31:33,453
a portion of it a grant program

2951
01:31:33,453 --> 01:31:33,953
and then report back to the

2952
01:31:33,953 --> 01:31:34,956
finance committee.

2953
01:31:34,956 --> 01:31:37,357
But I'm open to what what the

2954
01:31:37,357 --> 01:31:37,657
committee's thoughts are on

2955
01:31:37,657 --> 01:31:38,325
that.

2956
01:31:38,325 --> 01:31:40,494
>> alderman lemcke I would

2957
01:31:40,494 --> 01:31:41,395
think that give the authority

2958
01:31:41,395 --> 01:31:44,398
to come up with something at

2959
01:31:44,398 --> 01:31:45,299
the redevelopment and then

2960
01:31:45,299 --> 01:31:46,300
we'll bring it back to finance

2961
01:31:46,300 --> 01:31:48,804
for the approval of the final

2962
01:31:48,804 --> 01:31:49,104
plan once the plan is out

2963
01:31:49,104 --> 01:31:50,205
there.

2964
01:31:50,205 --> 01:31:52,574
I don't want to see the finance

2965
01:31:52,574 --> 01:31:53,308
company that's the finance

2966
01:31:53,308 --> 01:31:55,708
department committee go through

2967
01:31:56,278 --> 01:31:57,120
each individual application.

2968
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,412
We don't want that.

2969
01:32:00,983 --> 01:32:03,553
But I'm fine with now we have

2970
01:32:03,553 --> 01:32:04,187
eight hundred one million two

2971
01:32:04,187 --> 01:32:06,587
hundred and fifty thousand

2972
01:32:07,570 --> 01:32:08,240
dollars of a chunk and then

2973
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:11,280
we'll come up with a program

2974
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:11,895
subject to finance companies

2975
01:32:11,895 --> 01:32:14,895
approval of that program and

2976
01:32:15,499 --> 01:32:16,500
then once you give approval and

2977
01:32:16,500 --> 01:32:18,970
an agreement done on how that

2978
01:32:18,970 --> 01:32:21,973
money is going to be allocated

2979
01:32:21,973 --> 01:32:23,275
then we can go with the program

2980
01:32:23,275 --> 01:32:26,211
like we do for, you know, all

2981
01:32:26,211 --> 01:32:26,545
our other programs that we have

2982
01:32:26,545 --> 01:32:27,450
.

2983
01:32:27,450 --> 01:32:29,450
So yeah.

2984
01:32:30,820 --> 01:32:31,317
Kevin, I'm sorry.

2985
01:32:31,317 --> 01:32:32,385
I don't I don't want to be a

2986
01:32:32,385 --> 01:32:35,985
bureaucrat but I'm going to be

2987
01:32:36,423 --> 01:32:37,490
a bureaucrat for a second.

2988
01:32:37,490 --> 01:32:38,258
>> I would I what I would

2989
01:32:38,258 --> 01:32:40,627
recommend just have the council

2990
01:32:40,627 --> 01:32:43,627
approve the rda program because

2991
01:32:44,431 --> 01:32:45,199
technically finance committee

2992
01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:45,900
doesn't have any authority over

2993
01:32:45,900 --> 01:32:48,169
what already does and if

2994
01:32:48,169 --> 01:32:49,270
there's any sort of dispute

2995
01:32:49,270 --> 01:32:49,704
that's how it's going to end up

2996
01:32:49,704 --> 01:32:51,539
there anyway.

2997
01:32:51,539 --> 01:32:52,140
>> a nominal idea.

2998
01:32:52,140 --> 01:32:53,174
>> right.

2999
01:32:53,174 --> 01:32:56,278
So why don't you just have the

3000
01:32:56,278 --> 01:32:57,279
council approve the rta program

3001
01:32:57,279 --> 01:32:59,448
not the not the day to day

3002
01:32:59,448 --> 01:33:02,418
operations of it but what they

3003
01:33:02,418 --> 01:33:03,152
come up with.

3004
01:33:03,152 --> 01:33:04,870
>> all right.

3005
01:33:04,870 --> 01:33:04,787
So the motion the motion before

3006
01:33:04,787 --> 01:33:06,556
the finance committee that is

3007
01:33:06,556 --> 01:33:07,223
to allocate one million two

3008
01:33:07,223 --> 01:33:07,957
hundred and fifty thousand

3009
01:33:07,957 --> 01:33:10,957
dollars of arpa dollars towards

3010
01:33:11,294 --> 01:33:11,962
the storefront activation and

3011
01:33:11,962 --> 01:33:12,663
asked the redevelopment

3012
01:33:12,663 --> 01:33:14,498
authority to create a program

3013
01:33:14,498 --> 01:33:14,832
that will be done approved by

3014
01:33:14,832 --> 01:33:15,967
council.

3015
01:33:15,967 --> 01:33:18,367
>> everybody on the everybody

3016
01:33:18,536 --> 01:33:19,237
understand the motion.

3017
01:33:19,237 --> 01:33:21,237
>> all right.

3018
01:33:22,907 --> 01:33:26,244
Let's do a voice vote all those

3019
01:33:26,244 --> 01:33:26,946
in favor sign I I opposed.

3020
01:33:26,946 --> 01:33:27,579
>> all right.

3021
01:33:27,579 --> 01:33:29,579
That passes unanimously.

3022
01:33:29,581 --> 01:33:30,817
Kevin, thank you.

3023
01:33:30,817 --> 01:33:33,119
>> joel can I just get who is

3024
01:33:33,119 --> 01:33:33,652
the second year on that frank

3025
01:33:33,652 --> 01:33:34,487
all right.

3026
01:33:34,487 --> 01:33:34,987
Good discussion, folks.

3027
01:33:34,987 --> 01:33:36,987
Thank you.

3028
01:33:37,423 --> 01:33:37,757
Kevin, thank you for that

3029
01:33:37,757 --> 01:33:39,757
thought.

3030
01:33:41,227 --> 01:33:42,329
>> that'll bring us to project

3031
01:33:42,329 --> 01:33:44,665
innovate in the amount of 750

3032
01:33:44,665 --> 01:33:45,599
or 750000.

3033
01:33:45,599 --> 01:33:48,302
>> I'll make a motion to

3034
01:33:48,302 --> 01:33:49,690
approve a second on that one

3035
01:33:49,690 --> 01:33:50,204
second by alderman lempke.

3036
01:33:50,204 --> 01:33:52,573
Is there any discussion on that

3037
01:33:52,573 --> 01:33:53,740
item?

3038
01:33:53,740 --> 01:33:55,740
All right.

3039
01:33:56,344 --> 01:34:00,349
All those in favor sign I I

3040
01:34:00,349 --> 01:34:00,983
anyone opposed that item passes

3041
01:34:00,983 --> 01:34:01,717
five to nothing.

3042
01:34:01,717 --> 01:34:02,384
>> the police department

3043
01:34:02,384 --> 01:34:04,384
organizational changes have

3044
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:05,755
been approved so we'll move on

3045
01:34:05,755 --> 01:34:08,155
to the behavioral health

3046
01:34:08,724 --> 01:34:09,392
responder partnership in the

3047
01:34:09,392 --> 01:34:10,600
amount of four hundred five

3048
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:12,460
hundred and thirty five

3049
01:34:12,462 --> 01:34:13,597
thousand dollars.

3050
01:34:13,597 --> 01:34:17,797
Is there a motion on that item?

3051
01:34:18,602 --> 01:34:21,602
alderman lemcke make the motion

3052
01:34:23,307 --> 01:34:26,307
for five hundred thirty five

3053
01:34:26,311 --> 01:34:29,311
second by alderman mac elderly

3054
01:34:33,986 --> 01:34:34,653
we ok brad oh I make a motion

3055
01:34:34,653 --> 01:34:37,530
to approve the behavioral

3056
01:34:37,657 --> 01:34:38,357
health responder partnership of

3057
01:34:38,357 --> 01:34:41,357
five hundred and thirty five

3058
01:34:41,561 --> 01:34:42,529
thousand dollars using our

3059
01:34:42,529 --> 01:34:45,529
monies for a year 2022 three

3060
01:34:46,266 --> 01:34:49,836
and four I second of motion in

3061
01:34:49,836 --> 01:34:50,604
a second on the behavioral

3062
01:34:50,604 --> 01:34:53,400
health partnership any further

3063
01:34:53,374 --> 01:34:54,508
discussion.

3064
01:34:54,508 --> 01:34:57,912
All right all those in favor

3065
01:34:57,912 --> 01:35:00,682
saini I anyone opposed that

3066
01:35:00,682 --> 01:35:01,817
item passes.

3067
01:35:01,817 --> 01:35:05,417
>> next up is the two hundred

3068
01:35:05,588 --> 01:35:06,355
thousand dollars of support for

3069
01:35:06,355 --> 01:35:07,289
the waukesha housing authority.

3070
01:35:07,289 --> 01:35:08,457
>> I'll make a motion to

3071
01:35:08,457 --> 01:35:11,457
approve is there a second

3072
01:35:12,295 --> 01:35:15,295
second by alderman lemcke any

3073
01:35:16,466 --> 01:35:16,834
further discussion on this item

3074
01:35:16,834 --> 01:35:18,680
?

3075
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:21,205
Right all those in favor sign I

3076
01:35:21,205 --> 01:35:24,174
I and want to post all right.

3077
01:35:24,174 --> 01:35:24,875
>> that item passes and I will

3078
01:35:24,875 --> 01:35:25,543
pause for anybody watching at

3079
01:35:25,543 --> 01:35:27,945
home the reason that we're

3080
01:35:27,945 --> 01:35:28,713
moving rather quickly is these

3081
01:35:28,713 --> 01:35:29,580
items have been before the

3082
01:35:29,580 --> 01:35:32,830
finance committee one day not

3083
01:35:32,830 --> 01:35:32,917
one the two time.

3084
01:35:32,917 --> 01:35:33,485
So please don't think that

3085
01:35:33,485 --> 01:35:35,485
we're moving quickly.

3086
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:36,622
These items have been pretty

3087
01:35:36,622 --> 01:35:39,622
thoroughly vetted at a previous

3088
01:35:39,826 --> 01:35:40,592
meeting next up is the

3089
01:35:40,592 --> 01:35:42,561
community access ahead for

3090
01:35:42,561 --> 01:35:44,561
85000?

3091
01:35:46,432 --> 01:35:47,333
>> is there a motion on miguel

3092
01:35:47,333 --> 01:35:50,333
elderly motion to approve the

3093
01:35:50,737 --> 01:35:51,838
80s for community presence?

3094
01:35:51,838 --> 01:35:54,942
Is there a second second by

3095
01:35:54,942 --> 01:35:55,943
alderman battelle's so we have

3096
01:35:55,943 --> 01:35:58,547
a motion and a second on the

3097
01:35:58,547 --> 01:35:59,380
community access program.

3098
01:35:59,380 --> 01:36:01,780
>> any further discussion or

3099
01:36:02,684 --> 01:36:03,284
questions from the committee?

3100
01:36:03,284 --> 01:36:05,284
All right.

3101
01:36:05,420 --> 01:36:09,258
all those in favor sign I I

3102
01:36:09,258 --> 01:36:10,526
anyone opposed that item passes

3103
01:36:10,526 --> 01:36:13,729
moving on to the peer to peer

3104
01:36:13,729 --> 01:36:15,498
drug overdose counseling for

3105
01:36:15,498 --> 01:36:17,498
fifteen thousand dollars.

3106
01:36:20,700 --> 01:36:23,670
>> is there a motion all in

3107
01:36:23,707 --> 01:36:24,341
elderly motion to approve the

3108
01:36:24,341 --> 01:36:24,741
peer-to-peer drug overdose

3109
01:36:24,741 --> 01:36:26,741
counseling?

3110
01:36:26,910 --> 01:36:27,378
Is there a second second by

3111
01:36:27,378 --> 01:36:28,279
alderman lemcke?

3112
01:36:28,279 --> 01:36:30,679
Any further discussion or

3113
01:36:33,685 --> 01:36:34,285
questions on this item?

3114
01:36:34,285 --> 01:36:36,285
All right.

3115
01:36:37,657 --> 01:36:38,623
All those in favor sign I I and

3116
01:36:38,623 --> 01:36:41,894
you want to post all right.

3117
01:36:41,894 --> 01:36:42,761
>> that item passes moves along

3118
01:36:42,761 --> 01:36:45,264
to the fire department special

3119
01:36:45,264 --> 01:36:45,965
services vehicle for the amount

3120
01:36:45,965 --> 01:36:46,466
of one hundred and sixteen

3121
01:36:46,466 --> 01:36:47,467
thousand dollars.

3122
01:36:47,467 --> 01:36:48,602
>> is there a motion on this

3123
01:36:48,602 --> 01:36:50,602
item?

3124
01:36:53,207 --> 01:36:56,807
Alderman lemcke that was the tv

3125
01:36:56,910 --> 01:36:57,544
that can be used at various

3126
01:36:57,544 --> 01:36:59,544
different special events.

3127
01:37:00,748 --> 01:37:01,415
I make a motion to approve the

3128
01:37:01,415 --> 01:37:03,415
fire department special

3129
01:37:04,218 --> 01:37:05,253
services utd all right.

3130
01:37:05,253 --> 01:37:08,560
Is there a second second by

3131
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:08,457
alderman battelle's any further

3132
01:37:08,457 --> 01:37:09,258
discussion?

3133
01:37:09,258 --> 01:37:10,225
We have a motion and a second

3134
01:37:10,225 --> 01:37:13,225
any further discussion on this

3135
01:37:14,463 --> 01:37:15,131
item and all the person albon

3136
01:37:15,131 --> 01:37:15,831
slavitt if you have any

3137
01:37:15,831 --> 01:37:18,200
comments or questions, just

3138
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:18,902
throw your hand up.

3139
01:37:18,902 --> 01:37:19,402
I'll call on you.

3140
01:37:19,402 --> 01:37:20,570
All right.

3141
01:37:20,570 --> 01:37:22,472
We have a motion and a second

3142
01:37:22,472 --> 01:37:25,776
all those in favor sign I I and

3143
01:37:25,776 --> 01:37:28,912
you want to post all right.

3144
01:37:28,912 --> 01:37:29,547
>> that item passes the modular

3145
01:37:29,547 --> 01:37:31,947
vehicle barrier system has

3146
01:37:32,983 --> 01:37:35,983
already been approved and used

3147
01:37:36,821 --> 01:37:37,789
in our most recent memorial day

3148
01:37:37,789 --> 01:37:40,592
parade that moves us along to

3149
01:37:40,592 --> 01:37:41,359
the affordable housing fund for

3150
01:37:41,359 --> 01:37:43,528
five hundred thousand dollars.

3151
01:37:43,528 --> 01:37:43,862
is there a motion on this item

3152
01:37:43,862 --> 01:37:44,563
?

3153
01:37:44,563 --> 01:37:46,563
>> alderman lemcke?

3154
01:37:47,900 --> 01:37:50,900
I'd like to approve the

3155
01:37:51,671 --> 01:37:52,538
affordable housing fund

3156
01:37:52,538 --> 01:37:54,538
increase of 500000 dollars

3157
01:37:54,908 --> 01:37:57,908
using R.P.M. Funds.

3158
01:37:59,179 --> 01:38:01,482
>> is there a second second by

3159
01:38:01,482 --> 01:38:03,882
alderman elderly any further

3160
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:06,420
discussion on this item?

3161
01:38:06,420 --> 01:38:08,420
All right.

3162
01:38:10,910 --> 01:38:11,590
All those in favor sign I I and

3163
01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:14,530
you want to post all right.

3164
01:38:14,530 --> 01:38:15,565
>> that item passes as well.

3165
01:38:15,565 --> 01:38:17,967
>> and that brings us to our

3166
01:38:17,967 --> 01:38:19,101
final two this evening.

3167
01:38:19,101 --> 01:38:20,200
The last one is the storm water

3168
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:22,171
projects and the amount of one

3169
01:38:22,171 --> 01:38:23,106
point five dollars million.

3170
01:38:23,106 --> 01:38:23,439
>> I'll make a motion to

3171
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:25,740
approve.

3172
01:38:25,740 --> 01:38:25,542
Is there a second second by

3173
01:38:25,542 --> 01:38:26,577
alderman lemcke?

3174
01:38:26,577 --> 01:38:28,977
>> any further discussion or

3175
01:38:31,782 --> 01:38:32,483
questions on this item?

3176
01:38:32,483 --> 01:38:34,483
>> all right.

3177
01:38:35,853 --> 01:38:36,754
All those in favor sign I I and

3178
01:38:36,754 --> 01:38:40,124
you want to post all right.

3179
01:38:40,124 --> 01:38:43,628
>> that item pass and last but

3180
01:38:43,628 --> 01:38:44,729
not least the capital projects

3181
01:38:44,729 --> 01:38:46,898
item four items I should say

3182
01:38:46,898 --> 01:38:48,233
for one point five million.

3183
01:38:48,233 --> 01:38:51,370
>> is there a motion on this

3184
01:38:51,370 --> 01:38:52,710
item?

3185
01:38:52,710 --> 01:38:55,108
I'll make a motion to approve.

3186
01:38:55,108 --> 01:38:56,109
Is there a second second by

3187
01:38:56,109 --> 01:38:59,109
alderman mc elderly any further

3188
01:38:59,312 --> 01:39:01,712
discussion on this item?

3189
01:39:03,284 --> 01:39:03,951
>> alderman bartel's so is this

3190
01:39:03,951 --> 01:39:06,951
because we kind of discussed

3191
01:39:07,288 --> 01:39:07,655
this and it was a no go on

3192
01:39:07,655 --> 01:39:09,655
dredging?

3193
01:39:10,391 --> 01:39:11,158
Is this kind of we use it for

3194
01:39:11,158 --> 01:39:11,459
anything that comes up in the

3195
01:39:11,459 --> 01:39:13,459
yeah.

3196
01:39:14,329 --> 01:39:14,929
>> serape?

3197
01:39:14,929 --> 01:39:16,929
Yeah yeah.

3198
01:39:17,999 --> 01:39:18,967
We'd find the right project at

3199
01:39:18,967 --> 01:39:19,401
and put it towards that towards

3200
01:39:19,401 --> 01:39:21,401
that project.

3201
01:39:22,237 --> 01:39:23,600
so road project it'll be

3202
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:25,406
identified in mississippi you

3203
01:39:27,100 --> 01:39:27,811
know arpa funds for capital ok

3204
01:39:27,811 --> 01:39:30,790
so if there's something for

3205
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:31,810
police or fire or something

3206
01:39:31,810 --> 01:39:34,518
like that we could probably put

3207
01:39:34,518 --> 01:39:35,485
it toward yeah I as long as the

3208
01:39:35,485 --> 01:39:38,289
capital it was qualified as a

3209
01:39:38,289 --> 01:39:39,560
capital project so something

3210
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:41,860
that we would use this instead

3211
01:39:41,860 --> 01:39:45,363
of borrowing for it would be to

3212
01:39:45,363 --> 01:39:46,264
go right and kevin that would

3213
01:39:46,264 --> 01:39:49,670
be I mean you developed a

3214
01:39:49,670 --> 01:39:50,350
capital budget so the use of

3215
01:39:50,350 --> 01:39:50,736
these dollars would be at your

3216
01:39:50,736 --> 01:39:53,136
discretion subject to approval

3217
01:39:53,205 --> 01:39:53,539
by the by the committee at

3218
01:39:53,539 --> 01:39:54,139
fair.

3219
01:39:54,139 --> 01:39:55,740
Yeah, exactly.

3220
01:39:55,740 --> 01:39:56,743
And we'll have it you know,

3221
01:39:56,743 --> 01:39:57,543
just like in when you have the

3222
01:39:57,543 --> 01:39:58,511
summary sheet for any capital

3223
01:39:58,511 --> 01:40:00,813
project and you see the sources

3224
01:40:00,813 --> 01:40:01,614
of funding, you know this

3225
01:40:01,614 --> 01:40:04,517
source for most big ones are

3226
01:40:04,517 --> 01:40:04,885
going to be ten year debt.

3227
01:40:04,885 --> 01:40:05,852
Right?

3228
01:40:05,852 --> 01:40:08,523
So instead of having ten year

3229
01:40:08,523 --> 01:40:09,423
debt it'll be arpa funds, you

3230
01:40:09,423 --> 01:40:10,190
know, one point five and we

3231
01:40:10,190 --> 01:40:12,159
might split it up between

3232
01:40:12,159 --> 01:40:13,160
several projects but probably

3233
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:16,164
it's going to cover a portion

3234
01:40:16,164 --> 01:40:17,650
of one of our bigger projects

3235
01:40:17,650 --> 01:40:17,365
that we're going to do next

3236
01:40:17,365 --> 01:40:19,365
year.

3237
01:40:19,835 --> 01:40:20,635
>> ok, martell's when I was

3238
01:40:20,635 --> 01:40:23,605
only asking because I just I

3239
01:40:23,605 --> 01:40:24,206
don't want to go to tennis

3240
01:40:24,206 --> 01:40:24,740
courts or pickleball or

3241
01:40:24,740 --> 01:40:26,740
something like that.

3242
01:40:27,577 --> 01:40:30,577
It should go toward something

3243
01:40:31,381 --> 01:40:31,814
for yeah I think idir yeah I

3244
01:40:31,814 --> 01:40:32,649
got you.

3245
01:40:32,649 --> 01:40:33,283
I think the direction you're

3246
01:40:33,283 --> 01:40:34,584
getting from the committee

3247
01:40:34,584 --> 01:40:35,385
kevin is that we'd like to see

3248
01:40:35,385 --> 01:40:36,870
it more around kind of a

3249
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:38,870
broader infrastructure project

3250
01:40:39,257 --> 01:40:39,657
I gottschalk's yeah i

3251
01:40:39,657 --> 01:40:40,290
understand.

3252
01:40:40,290 --> 01:40:42,690
All right very good.

3253
01:40:42,893 --> 01:40:43,527
We have a motion and a second

3254
01:40:43,527 --> 01:40:44,362
on that item.

3255
01:40:44,362 --> 01:40:44,762
>> is there any further

3256
01:40:44,762 --> 01:40:45,129
discussion?

3257
01:40:45,129 --> 01:40:47,310
All right.

3258
01:40:47,310 --> 01:40:50,435
All those in favor sign I I

3259
01:40:50,435 --> 01:40:53,435
anyone opposed that item passes

3260
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:55,207
all right gentlemen, I

3261
01:40:55,207 --> 01:40:57,607
appreciate the very thorough

3262
01:40:58,577 --> 01:40:59,144
discussion this evening on

3263
01:40:59,144 --> 01:41:00,580
these arpa dollars.

3264
01:41:00,580 --> 01:41:02,782
I know we owe it to all of our

3265
01:41:02,782 --> 01:41:03,783
bosses to make sure that we've

3266
01:41:03,783 --> 01:41:06,587
vetted these items and I know I

3267
01:41:06,587 --> 01:41:07,287
can confidently telling my

3268
01:41:07,287 --> 01:41:08,210
bosses that we certainly have.

3269
01:41:08,210 --> 01:41:08,355
So I appreciate the time

3270
01:41:08,355 --> 01:41:10,355
tonight.

3271
01:41:10,624 --> 01:41:11,225
Kevin and staff and the

3272
01:41:11,225 --> 01:41:12,126
directors that are here.

3273
01:41:12,126 --> 01:41:13,394
>> I appreciate your time in

3274
01:41:13,394 --> 01:41:14,228
this item as well.

3275
01:41:14,228 --> 01:41:16,628
>> anything inclosing on arpey,

3276
01:41:17,198 --> 01:41:17,799
MR. Laner?

3277
01:41:17,799 --> 01:41:19,799
>> no.

3278
01:41:22,170 --> 01:41:23,380
But as you can tell, I have a

3279
01:41:23,380 --> 01:41:25,741
guest who's going to be up past

3280
01:41:25,741 --> 01:41:26,675
your bedtime so and I have to

3281
01:41:26,675 --> 01:41:29,378
go pick up some other kids and

3282
01:41:29,378 --> 01:41:30,346
get my wife at the airport.

3283
01:41:30,346 --> 01:41:31,213
I'll be leaving and leaving the

3284
01:41:31,213 --> 01:41:33,816
carry over discussion to denise

3285
01:41:33,816 --> 01:41:34,417
and have a good evening.

3286
01:41:34,417 --> 01:41:34,818
>> thank you.

3287
01:41:34,818 --> 01:41:36,818
Great.

3288
01:41:37,253 --> 01:41:38,188
Thank you, kevin.

3289
01:41:38,188 --> 01:41:39,560
We'll start go back to the

3290
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:40,924
start of the start of the

3291
01:41:40,924 --> 01:41:41,625
agenda and that is item number

3292
01:41:41,625 --> 01:41:44,328
four which is approval of

3293
01:41:44,328 --> 01:41:45,196
minutes for the 10th of MAY or

3294
01:41:45,196 --> 01:41:45,729
any changes to those minutes

3295
01:41:45,729 --> 01:41:46,970
from the committee.

3296
01:41:46,970 --> 01:41:48,970
All right.

3297
01:41:48,633 --> 01:41:49,267
Those minutes are approved

3298
01:41:49,267 --> 01:41:50,101
through unanimous consent.

3299
01:41:50,101 --> 01:41:52,604
We'll move into the balance of

3300
01:41:52,604 --> 01:41:52,937
our business items for this

3301
01:41:52,937 --> 01:41:53,805
evening.

3302
01:41:53,805 --> 01:41:55,574
Item number five a is a review

3303
01:41:55,574 --> 01:41:56,475
and act on receiving grant

3304
01:41:56,475 --> 01:41:57,342
funds from the united way in

3305
01:41:57,342 --> 01:41:59,712
the amount of nineteen thousand

3306
01:41:59,712 --> 01:42:00,446
three hundred eighty three

3307
01:42:00,446 --> 01:42:00,846
dollars for the waukesha police

3308
01:42:00,846 --> 01:42:02,846
department.

3309
01:42:03,349 --> 01:42:05,349
Immediate emergency shelter

3310
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:11,570
program chief goehring in the

3311
01:42:11,570 --> 01:42:13,457
department is looking to

3312
01:42:14,261 --> 01:42:15,129
receive we already received

3313
01:42:15,129 --> 01:42:17,529
funding grant funding for

3314
01:42:18,332 --> 01:42:19,133
nineteen thousand three hundred

3315
01:42:19,133 --> 01:42:21,903
eighty three dollars for the

3316
01:42:21,903 --> 01:42:22,470
immediate emergency shelter

3317
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:23,271
program.

3318
01:42:23,271 --> 01:42:26,271
Just briefly what the program

3319
01:42:26,374 --> 01:42:27,342
is answering your questions if

3320
01:42:27,342 --> 01:42:28,343
you have any is it's another

3321
01:42:28,343 --> 01:42:29,912
tool in the toolbox where we

3322
01:42:29,912 --> 01:42:30,546
can funding for those

3323
01:42:30,546 --> 01:42:32,546
individuals that immediate

3324
01:42:33,483 --> 01:42:34,250
needs shelter where they

3325
01:42:34,250 --> 01:42:34,717
normally don't have the means

3326
01:42:34,717 --> 01:42:36,717
to do so.

3327
01:42:37,253 --> 01:42:38,220
So for example, domestic

3328
01:42:38,220 --> 01:42:41,220
violence we only get into

3329
01:42:41,625 --> 01:42:42,692
immediate shelter, get them

3330
01:42:42,692 --> 01:42:45,429
into a hotel for that evening

3331
01:42:45,429 --> 01:42:46,960
so we can get set them up with

3332
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:48,398
the woman center some other

3333
01:42:48,398 --> 01:42:49,467
facilities that can help them

3334
01:42:49,467 --> 01:42:52,236
and a longer care program in

3335
01:42:52,236 --> 01:42:53,271
the future.

3336
01:42:53,271 --> 01:42:55,671
>> other situations would be

3337
01:42:56,474 --> 01:42:57,475
individuals that might be

3338
01:42:57,475 --> 01:43:00,645
homeless and we put them in a

3339
01:43:00,645 --> 01:43:01,313
shelter for that are the whole

3340
01:43:01,313 --> 01:43:03,713
town for that evening.

3341
01:43:04,149 --> 01:43:04,950
But with a long term plan of

3342
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:07,253
getting them either to a place

3343
01:43:07,253 --> 01:43:08,220
for where they're going to get

3344
01:43:08,220 --> 01:43:11,220
help, we work in locating

3345
01:43:11,524 --> 01:43:15,124
family or things of that nature

3346
01:43:15,428 --> 01:43:16,197
to get them out of that weather

3347
01:43:16,197 --> 01:43:18,198
is very cold weather where

3348
01:43:18,198 --> 01:43:21,798
they're not going to be harmed

3349
01:43:22,403 --> 01:43:24,803
by by the weather.

3350
01:43:33,281 --> 01:43:36,881
There's no one second here now

3351
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:38,870
there's very strict rules of

3352
01:43:38,870 --> 01:43:40,870
engagement with this.

3353
01:43:41,224 --> 01:43:42,191
For example, we can't have

3354
01:43:42,191 --> 01:43:44,861
people that try to repeat

3355
01:43:44,861 --> 01:43:47,861
offender with with the funding

3356
01:43:48,399 --> 01:43:49,467
so people have warrants

3357
01:43:49,467 --> 01:43:49,833
obviously they have to go right

3358
01:43:49,833 --> 01:43:51,680
to jail.

3359
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:52,402
They would not be able to use

3360
01:43:52,402 --> 01:43:53,437
it.

3361
01:43:53,437 --> 01:43:55,837
Repeat offenders would be

3362
01:43:56,407 --> 01:43:58,407
vetted.

3363
01:43:59,444 --> 01:44:00,745
But again, having that funding

3364
01:44:00,745 --> 01:44:01,747
,being able to take them, we

3365
01:44:01,747 --> 01:44:04,549
remove them from a place of

3366
01:44:04,549 --> 01:44:05,417
harm, get them into a hotel for

3367
01:44:05,417 --> 01:44:07,853
the evening and then work in

3368
01:44:07,853 --> 01:44:10,853
with the facilities are closed

3369
01:44:11,457 --> 01:44:12,325
during those hours where

3370
01:44:12,325 --> 01:44:15,325
they're not operating in most

3371
01:44:15,428 --> 01:44:16,229
of the shelters in treatment

3372
01:44:16,229 --> 01:44:19,320
facilities for people that are

3373
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:19,700
either substance abuse, mental

3374
01:44:19,700 --> 01:44:22,100
health or economic usually

3375
01:44:22,903 --> 01:44:23,804
during business hours this is

3376
01:44:23,804 --> 01:44:26,804
going to meet those that

3377
01:44:27,208 --> 01:44:30,208
vacancy when business hours and

3378
01:44:30,411 --> 01:44:30,745
that when they're not operating

3379
01:44:30,745 --> 01:44:31,713
.

3380
01:44:31,713 --> 01:44:32,130
>> so any questions regarding

3381
01:44:32,130 --> 01:44:32,413
that?

3382
01:44:32,413 --> 01:44:34,413
Yes, sir.

3383
01:44:34,916 --> 01:44:35,650
Alderman lepke.

3384
01:44:35,650 --> 01:44:37,650
Thank you, chief.

3385
01:44:38,787 --> 01:44:42,987
This wouldn't be a situa and I

3386
01:44:43,250 --> 01:44:43,827
I am compassionate for the

3387
01:44:43,827 --> 01:44:46,296
homeless but this wouldn't be

3388
01:44:46,296 --> 01:44:49,896
for an example a zero degree

3389
01:44:50,433 --> 01:44:51,402
day round up all the homeless

3390
01:44:51,402 --> 01:44:51,768
and put them in a hotel

3391
01:44:51,768 --> 01:44:53,604
overnight.

3392
01:44:53,604 --> 01:44:54,805
>> it would be a one on one and

3393
01:44:54,805 --> 01:44:57,805
again, you know, for example,

3394
01:44:58,943 --> 01:44:59,577
not taking someone who has been

3395
01:44:59,577 --> 01:45:00,411
homeless three hundred and

3396
01:45:00,411 --> 01:45:02,914
sixty three days a year and put

3397
01:45:02,914 --> 01:45:03,815
them in a shelter for one night

3398
01:45:03,815 --> 01:45:05,784
where it's not going to solve

3399
01:45:05,784 --> 01:45:06,918
their situation.

3400
01:45:06,918 --> 01:45:09,918
The immediate purpose are the

3401
01:45:10,222 --> 01:45:13,793
the main purpose of this is

3402
01:45:13,793 --> 01:45:14,860
with the intent.

3403
01:45:14,860 --> 01:45:17,564
We already have a plan in place

3404
01:45:17,564 --> 01:45:17,897
to get them into a facility for

3405
01:45:17,897 --> 01:45:19,897
future.

3406
01:45:21,434 --> 01:45:22,335
There's some frequent there's

3407
01:45:22,335 --> 01:45:23,236
some individuals let me

3408
01:45:23,236 --> 01:45:25,172
rephrase I say this are some

3409
01:45:25,172 --> 01:45:25,772
individuals that do not want

3410
01:45:25,772 --> 01:45:26,274
any type of treatment.

3411
01:45:26,274 --> 01:45:28,274
>> right.

3412
01:45:29,310 --> 01:45:32,910
That that are very happy living

3413
01:45:40,220 --> 01:45:40,822
out there homeless.

3414
01:45:40,822 --> 01:45:41,656
>> those are different.

3415
01:45:41,656 --> 01:45:42,258
These are situations where like

3416
01:45:42,258 --> 01:45:42,624
I said maybe domestic

3417
01:45:42,624 --> 01:45:43,626
situation.

3418
01:45:43,626 --> 01:45:44,593
Ah, or a person who might be

3419
01:45:44,593 --> 01:45:45,394
homeless says I want shelter

3420
01:45:45,394 --> 01:45:45,761
and want to get into a

3421
01:45:45,761 --> 01:45:47,761
facility.

3422
01:45:47,764 --> 01:45:50,764
I want to get help.

3423
01:45:52,350 --> 01:45:52,602
That's when we purpose and use

3424
01:45:52,602 --> 01:45:53,737
this funding for that.

3425
01:45:53,737 --> 01:45:56,406
But again, there's very strict

3426
01:45:56,406 --> 01:45:57,107
guidelines and you have to meet

3427
01:45:57,107 --> 01:45:58,575
all the guidelines and they

3428
01:45:58,575 --> 01:45:59,543
have to sign document

3429
01:45:59,543 --> 01:46:02,543
accordingly and we track all

3430
01:46:03,147 --> 01:46:04,150
that data for example maybe my

3431
01:46:04,150 --> 01:46:07,150
house burned down at eleven

3432
01:46:07,418 --> 01:46:07,987
o'clock at night and I don't

3433
01:46:07,987 --> 01:46:08,820
have anywhere to go.

3434
01:46:08,820 --> 01:46:11,220
>> that's a great example.

3435
01:46:11,356 --> 01:46:12,240
Oh and I appreciate you said

3436
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:14,424
that because that's another

3437
01:46:14,527 --> 01:46:17,763
great example of where a family

3438
01:46:17,763 --> 01:46:18,731
would be in need like a fire is

3439
01:46:18,731 --> 01:46:21,935
a great example where we know

3440
01:46:21,935 --> 01:46:24,935
that family or where families

3441
01:46:26,740 --> 01:46:27,541
15 hours away to come out to

3442
01:46:27,541 --> 01:46:29,243
support we'll put them in a

3443
01:46:29,243 --> 01:46:30,244
hotel for the evening and get

3444
01:46:30,244 --> 01:46:33,130
them with their family so they

3445
01:46:33,130 --> 01:46:35,130
can move forward.

3446
01:46:36,951 --> 01:46:37,986
>> thank you.

3447
01:46:37,986 --> 01:46:40,986
>> but there their questions on

3448
01:46:41,890 --> 01:46:41,423
the side I'm I'll make a

3449
01:46:41,423 --> 01:46:43,423
motion.

3450
01:46:43,959 --> 01:46:44,993
>> oh, I'm sorry, alicia.

3451
01:46:44,993 --> 01:46:46,950
>> I just wanted to make sure

3452
01:46:46,950 --> 01:46:48,630
that I spoke in favor of this

3453
01:46:48,630 --> 01:46:48,631
house burning down.

3454
01:46:48,631 --> 01:46:50,631
>> yes.

3455
01:46:51,801 --> 01:46:52,769
There are other things that can

3456
01:46:52,769 --> 01:46:53,803
happen in the middle of the

3457
01:46:53,803 --> 01:46:55,705
night and I know that a lot of

3458
01:46:55,705 --> 01:46:56,573
people that were in my building

3459
01:46:56,573 --> 01:46:59,573
did take advantage of that

3460
01:46:59,910 --> 01:47:00,811
hotel in one of the things that

3461
01:47:00,811 --> 01:47:01,712
a lot of people don't consider

3462
01:47:01,712 --> 01:47:03,981
is that when do when things do

3463
01:47:03,981 --> 01:47:04,982
happen in the middle of the

3464
01:47:04,982 --> 01:47:05,383
night, that's not all of it

3465
01:47:05,383 --> 01:47:07,383
necessarily.

3466
01:47:07,785 --> 01:47:08,887
>> it did take a couple of days

3467
01:47:08,887 --> 01:47:12,257
for things to get set up where

3468
01:47:12,257 --> 01:47:12,991
people could actually go

3469
01:47:12,991 --> 01:47:15,127
somewhere and sometimes that is

3470
01:47:15,127 --> 01:47:16,228
what's going on and so I think

3471
01:47:16,228 --> 01:47:19,531
that this sort of allows for

3472
01:47:19,531 --> 01:47:20,199
that little bit of leeway while

3473
01:47:20,199 --> 01:47:22,668
the logistics get worked out

3474
01:47:22,668 --> 01:47:23,870
whether that's family coming

3475
01:47:23,870 --> 01:47:27,240
from a distance or a shelter

3476
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:28,241
situation getting set up those

3477
01:47:28,241 --> 01:47:30,710
those longer term plans so that

3478
01:47:30,710 --> 01:47:31,178
that kind of fixes that

3479
01:47:31,178 --> 01:47:32,112
immediate needs.

3480
01:47:32,112 --> 01:47:34,810
>> so I don't I definitely want

3481
01:47:34,810 --> 01:47:37,886
to say that I'm in favor of

3482
01:47:37,886 --> 01:47:38,920
this very good.

3483
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:39,688
I'll make a motion to accept

3484
01:47:39,688 --> 01:47:40,588
the grant from the united way

3485
01:47:40,588 --> 01:47:42,557
in the amount of nineteen

3486
01:47:42,557 --> 01:47:43,358
thousand three hundred eighty

3487
01:47:43,358 --> 01:47:45,660
three dollars and with a second

3488
01:47:45,660 --> 01:47:46,394
I'll speak very briefly to it

3489
01:47:46,394 --> 01:47:46,795
second by second.

3490
01:47:46,795 --> 01:47:48,795
Great.

3491
01:47:49,732 --> 01:47:50,432
I just for for the sake of the

3492
01:47:50,432 --> 01:47:52,768
committee and the public that

3493
01:47:52,768 --> 01:47:53,837
might be watching the issue of

3494
01:47:53,837 --> 01:47:54,537
homelessness is one that I am

3495
01:47:54,537 --> 01:47:56,873
very close to as well.

3496
01:47:56,873 --> 01:47:57,740
>> I mean I'm serving a more

3497
01:47:57,740 --> 01:48:00,143
than one board around waukesha

3498
01:48:00,143 --> 01:48:00,911
county that is that is devoted

3499
01:48:00,911 --> 01:48:03,911
to to ending homelessness in

3500
01:48:05,115 --> 01:48:05,849
waukesha county and I really

3501
01:48:05,849 --> 01:48:06,517
view this this particular grant

3502
01:48:06,517 --> 01:48:08,917
program as something that's

3503
01:48:09,253 --> 01:48:09,754
going to augment a lot of

3504
01:48:09,754 --> 01:48:11,754
existing services.

3505
01:48:12,123 --> 01:48:13,324
We have added shelter capacity

3506
01:48:13,324 --> 01:48:16,128
in the city and I would like to

3507
01:48:16,128 --> 01:48:16,895
see additional shelter capacity

3508
01:48:16,895 --> 01:48:18,300
are added around the county.

3509
01:48:18,300 --> 01:48:20,199
>> that's a conversation for a

3510
01:48:20,199 --> 01:48:21,233
different day.

3511
01:48:21,233 --> 01:48:24,300
>> but to the chief's point,

3512
01:48:24,300 --> 01:48:24,971
there are times when the

3513
01:48:24,971 --> 01:48:25,338
shelters that we have in town

3514
01:48:25,338 --> 01:48:27,338
are full.

3515
01:48:28,508 --> 01:48:29,750
There are times when to the

3516
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:29,843
chief's point that the

3517
01:48:29,843 --> 01:48:32,243
individuals that man these

3518
01:48:32,512 --> 01:48:33,513
shelters don't have the ability

3519
01:48:33,513 --> 01:48:36,617
to take on additional folks at

3520
01:48:36,617 --> 01:48:37,351
2:00 in the morning because

3521
01:48:37,351 --> 01:48:39,751
they're they're stretched their

3522
01:48:40,870 --> 01:48:40,755
their staff is stretched to the

3523
01:48:40,755 --> 01:48:41,455
point where they're managing

3524
01:48:41,455 --> 01:48:42,223
the existing shelter staff and

3525
01:48:42,223 --> 01:48:44,526
they just don't have the

3526
01:48:44,526 --> 01:48:45,227
capacity to add somebody at in

3527
01:48:45,227 --> 01:48:47,595
the middle of the night.

3528
01:48:47,595 --> 01:48:48,463
I also like what the chief

3529
01:48:48,463 --> 01:48:51,167
mentioned in that this is this

3530
01:48:51,167 --> 01:48:51,500
is not a program that is an

3531
01:48:51,500 --> 01:48:52,434
end.

3532
01:48:52,434 --> 01:48:54,937
This is a gateway to getting

3533
01:48:54,937 --> 01:48:55,771
these individuals that want

3534
01:48:55,771 --> 01:48:58,171
case management and some

3535
01:48:58,874 --> 01:48:59,742
direction to become homed

3536
01:48:59,742 --> 01:49:02,742
instead of homeless as putting

3537
01:49:03,460 --> 01:49:04,147
them on that particular path

3538
01:49:04,147 --> 01:49:04,915
versus I think to some of our

3539
01:49:04,915 --> 01:49:06,784
other questions tonight about

3540
01:49:06,784 --> 01:49:07,551
just, you know, perpetually

3541
01:49:07,551 --> 01:49:10,254
housing someone in the middle

3542
01:49:10,254 --> 01:49:11,540
of winter so you know, there

3543
01:49:11,540 --> 01:49:11,756
are a lot of different

3544
01:49:11,756 --> 01:49:14,425
organizations in the city that

3545
01:49:14,425 --> 01:49:15,327
are trying to take, you know,

3546
01:49:15,327 --> 01:49:15,660
bites out of this very big

3547
01:49:15,660 --> 01:49:17,660
problem.

3548
01:49:18,229 --> 01:49:19,970
And I really do view this as

3549
01:49:19,970 --> 01:49:22,970
another another bite out of

3550
01:49:22,301 --> 01:49:23,235
this particular problem.

3551
01:49:23,235 --> 01:49:23,902
and I know through my

3552
01:49:23,902 --> 01:49:25,304
experience with not only the

3553
01:49:25,304 --> 01:49:26,305
council but some of my other

3554
01:49:26,305 --> 01:49:27,720
work in town that the that the

3555
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:29,442
police department is a very

3556
01:49:29,442 --> 01:49:30,109
good relationship with the

3557
01:49:30,109 --> 01:49:30,710
organizations that are also

3558
01:49:30,710 --> 01:49:31,430
taking bites out of this

3559
01:49:31,430 --> 01:49:33,430
problem.

3560
01:49:33,813 --> 01:49:34,614
>> so it's a long winded way of

3561
01:49:34,614 --> 01:49:37,751
saying that that I support this

3562
01:49:37,751 --> 01:49:38,552
but it's also a way of me going

3563
01:49:38,552 --> 01:49:40,521
on the record and saying that

3564
01:49:40,521 --> 01:49:41,522
there are organizations in town

3565
01:49:41,522 --> 01:49:41,922
that are doing very good work

3566
01:49:41,922 --> 01:49:42,990
around this.

3567
01:49:42,990 --> 01:49:44,859
There are shelters in town that

3568
01:49:44,859 --> 01:49:45,560
are doing very good work around

3569
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:48,560
housing people and this is

3570
01:49:48,697 --> 01:49:49,130
simply a way for us to add to

3571
01:49:49,130 --> 01:49:49,764
that capacity.

3572
01:49:49,764 --> 01:49:51,764
>> so thank you.

3573
01:49:52,467 --> 01:49:52,767
Any further discussion on this

3574
01:49:52,767 --> 01:49:53,769
item?

3575
01:49:53,769 --> 01:49:55,700
>> all right, denise, I think

3576
01:49:55,700 --> 01:49:59,270
we can go back to granicus now

3577
01:50:02,512 --> 01:50:03,513
so speaking of which, joe, I

3578
01:50:03,513 --> 01:50:05,782
think we can go back to

3579
01:50:05,782 --> 01:50:09,382
granicus now when it appears on

3580
01:50:13,157 --> 01:50:13,757
your screen please vote that

3581
01:50:13,757 --> 01:50:14,525
item passes unanimously.

3582
01:50:14,525 --> 01:50:16,525
>> gentlemen, thank you.

3583
01:50:17,562 --> 01:50:18,597
Thank you very much.

3584
01:50:18,597 --> 01:50:20,899
>> it looks like you're up

3585
01:50:20,899 --> 01:50:22,000
again so we'll move item to

3586
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:22,967
item number five b which is

3587
01:50:22,967 --> 01:50:25,671
review and act on a pilot

3588
01:50:25,671 --> 01:50:26,338
testing for the flock license

3589
01:50:26,338 --> 01:50:29,338
plate reader cameras in the

3590
01:50:29,341 --> 01:50:30,376
city of waukesha chief.

3591
01:50:30,376 --> 01:50:33,246
>> yes, thank you very much.

3592
01:50:33,246 --> 01:50:34,347
So what we'd like to do is

3593
01:50:34,347 --> 01:50:36,282
pilot a 60 day program with

3594
01:50:36,282 --> 01:50:37,317
flac.

3595
01:50:37,317 --> 01:50:37,650
>> it's not like an optical

3596
01:50:37,650 --> 01:50:39,650
camera.

3597
01:50:40,888 --> 01:50:44,488
It is a license plate reader

3598
01:50:44,992 --> 01:50:45,893
camera and we'd like to do in

3599
01:50:45,893 --> 01:50:48,950
the six day period has put the

3600
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:48,830
key locations in the city

3601
01:50:48,830 --> 01:50:50,830
specifically thirty near

3602
01:50:51,832 --> 01:50:54,232
businesses and locations where

3603
01:50:56,471 --> 01:50:56,939
people come in to city out of

3604
01:50:56,939 --> 01:50:57,873
the city.

3605
01:50:57,873 --> 01:50:58,207
And what's the purpose of these

3606
01:50:58,207 --> 01:51:00,900
cameras?

3607
01:51:00,900 --> 01:51:03,900
Well is basically where the

3608
01:51:03,747 --> 01:51:07,183
cameras are not so flack will

3609
01:51:07,183 --> 01:51:08,251
store the data for thirty days

3610
01:51:08,251 --> 01:51:11,221
and the 31st date automatically

3611
01:51:11,221 --> 01:51:12,389
disappears.

3612
01:51:12,389 --> 01:51:13,156
>> the only way that the person

3613
01:51:13,156 --> 01:51:14,725
can access that data is if

3614
01:51:14,725 --> 01:51:15,659
there's a nexus to crime.

3615
01:51:15,659 --> 01:51:18,662
What we want to do those

3616
01:51:18,662 --> 01:51:19,397
cameras is multiple things.

3617
01:51:19,397 --> 01:51:21,797
The license plate reader

3618
01:51:22,934 --> 01:51:23,235
cameras is retail thefts in the

3619
01:51:23,235 --> 01:51:25,235
city.

3620
01:51:26,338 --> 01:51:27,605
>> a lot of our stolen autos

3621
01:51:27,605 --> 01:51:31,310
are coming from the east of our

3622
01:51:31,310 --> 01:51:32,111
city into our city handles like

3623
01:51:32,111 --> 01:51:34,511
license plate reader cameras

3624
01:51:34,980 --> 01:51:35,681
actually alert our officers as

3625
01:51:35,681 --> 01:51:35,982
to vehicles coming into our

3626
01:51:35,982 --> 01:51:37,982
city.

3627
01:51:38,785 --> 01:51:42,122
>> we have the major key points

3628
01:51:42,122 --> 01:51:43,223
in our city have those cameras

3629
01:51:43,223 --> 01:51:46,493
that in itself is a safety

3630
01:51:46,493 --> 01:51:47,461
issue for the public and

3631
01:51:47,461 --> 01:51:50,461
officers because if we can

3632
01:51:50,998 --> 01:51:51,799
engage with a perpetrator in a

3633
01:51:51,799 --> 01:51:52,700
stolen car at the outskirts of

3634
01:51:52,700 --> 01:51:55,503
the city before they get

3635
01:51:55,503 --> 01:51:59,700
downtown, that is a win for us

3636
01:51:59,700 --> 01:51:59,874
other things that the cameras

3637
01:51:59,874 --> 01:52:02,874
do is they have artificial

3638
01:52:03,178 --> 01:52:06,482
intelligence where we can go to

3639
01:52:06,482 --> 01:52:07,383
a business for example, car

3640
01:52:07,383 --> 01:52:10,383
that's a business that sells

3641
01:52:10,387 --> 01:52:11,210
cars and they have katic

3642
01:52:11,210 --> 01:52:13,210
inverters are stolen.

3643
01:52:14,158 --> 01:52:14,491
They can actually have sensors

3644
01:52:14,491 --> 01:52:15,759
.

3645
01:52:15,759 --> 01:52:16,627
I can tell when the car is the

3646
01:52:16,627 --> 01:52:18,796
catholic voters being cut out

3647
01:52:18,796 --> 01:52:19,630
of the vehicle.

3648
01:52:19,630 --> 01:52:22,299
I'll turn the camera towards

3649
01:52:22,299 --> 01:52:23,670
where the incident is occurring

3650
01:52:23,670 --> 01:52:24,435
and automatically alert the

3651
01:52:24,435 --> 01:52:26,835
police that that's occurring.

3652
01:52:29,441 --> 01:52:31,710
Um, and would be for possible

3653
01:52:31,710 --> 01:52:32,440
force multiplier for other

3654
01:52:32,440 --> 01:52:33,780
things.

3655
01:52:33,780 --> 01:52:33,979
We want to get our wal-mart's

3656
01:52:33,979 --> 01:52:36,248
our targets, our home depot,

3657
01:52:36,248 --> 01:52:39,848
the hearts in the cities to

3658
01:52:39,852 --> 01:52:40,620
purchase these cameras to be a

3659
01:52:40,620 --> 01:52:43,200
force multiplier in curbing

3660
01:52:44,230 --> 01:52:44,991
these organized retail theft

3661
01:52:44,991 --> 01:52:48,280
groups that come into the city

3662
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:51,280
and steal thousands of dollars

3663
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:51,932
that these businesses write off

3664
01:52:51,932 --> 01:52:54,332
but impacts multiple businesses

3665
01:52:55,537 --> 01:52:58,507
and our city in that

3666
01:52:58,507 --> 01:52:59,474
information that intelligence

3667
01:52:59,474 --> 01:53:02,377
that data coming from license

3668
01:53:02,377 --> 01:53:03,245
plate readers cameras before

3669
01:53:03,245 --> 01:53:05,645
multiplier in reducing and

3670
01:53:06,648 --> 01:53:07,717
mitigating people coming to our

3671
01:53:07,717 --> 01:53:11,317
city to commit retail thefts at

3672
01:53:13,757 --> 01:53:15,757
those locations.

3673
01:53:17,527 --> 01:53:18,428
>> alderman make elderly.

3674
01:53:18,428 --> 01:53:20,428
>> good evening, chief.

3675
01:53:21,398 --> 01:53:22,399
So you're explaining that the

3676
01:53:22,399 --> 01:53:23,267
the the focus of these cameras

3677
01:53:23,267 --> 01:53:26,700
on these cameras unlike the

3678
01:53:26,700 --> 01:53:26,937
currawong, the optical cameras

3679
01:53:26,937 --> 01:53:29,707
we have now are just video

3680
01:53:29,707 --> 01:53:30,441
recording cameras.

3681
01:53:30,441 --> 01:53:31,309
The search functions aren't

3682
01:53:31,309 --> 01:53:34,112
there as would the flock

3683
01:53:34,112 --> 01:53:35,280
cameras in alpers.

3684
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:38,830
It's more of a you can do a

3685
01:53:38,830 --> 01:53:38,684
study or some research to find

3686
01:53:38,684 --> 01:53:39,151
out you're looking for.

3687
01:53:39,151 --> 01:53:41,151
>> right.

3688
01:53:41,320 --> 01:53:45,520
So you can actually put in blue

3689
01:53:45,925 --> 01:53:48,925
vehicle with sticker at the

3690
01:53:49,729 --> 01:53:50,497
rear bumper in search and

3691
01:53:50,497 --> 01:53:51,131
they'll narrow it down to

3692
01:53:51,131 --> 01:53:51,532
vehicles that matched that

3693
01:53:51,532 --> 01:53:53,532
description.

3694
01:53:53,668 --> 01:53:55,200
>> that's correct.

3695
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:58,106
>> and then with the the active

3696
01:53:58,106 --> 01:53:58,973
cameras they're taking pictures

3697
01:53:58,973 --> 01:54:01,973
of every vehicle that travels

3698
01:54:02,430 --> 01:54:02,510
through not just a criminal

3699
01:54:02,510 --> 01:54:04,510
profile vehicle.

3700
01:54:05,580 --> 01:54:06,548
>> they are taking pictures i

3701
01:54:06,548 --> 01:54:06,848
just want to be preemptive with

3702
01:54:06,848 --> 01:54:07,649
that.

3703
01:54:07,649 --> 01:54:09,418
>> they are taking pictures of

3704
01:54:09,418 --> 01:54:10,386
every vehicle but law

3705
01:54:10,386 --> 01:54:12,786
enforcement can access that

3706
01:54:13,155 --> 01:54:13,857
data unless there's reasonable

3707
01:54:13,857 --> 01:54:16,257
suspicion associated with it.

3708
01:54:16,759 --> 01:54:17,527
There has to be some

3709
01:54:17,527 --> 01:54:20,527
investigative means for us to

3710
01:54:20,563 --> 01:54:21,631
have access to it and it's very

3711
01:54:21,631 --> 01:54:25,350
so when an officer tries to

3712
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:25,803
access that data they have to

3713
01:54:25,803 --> 01:54:26,270
fill out certain things and

3714
01:54:26,270 --> 01:54:28,270
that's audited.

3715
01:54:29,107 --> 01:54:29,607
It's tracked and it gets

3716
01:54:29,607 --> 01:54:31,607
associated with an

3717
01:54:32,744 --> 01:54:33,946
investigation so someone just

3718
01:54:33,946 --> 01:54:35,470
can't go in and type in and say

3719
01:54:35,470 --> 01:54:36,715
I want to look at a license

3720
01:54:36,715 --> 01:54:37,582
plate and I can tell you from

3721
01:54:37,582 --> 01:54:40,582
my previous life and milwaukee

3722
01:54:41,187 --> 01:54:44,523
police I can tell you one

3723
01:54:44,523 --> 01:54:45,591
instance it was domestic type

3724
01:54:45,591 --> 01:54:48,591
situation where an officer got

3725
01:54:49,195 --> 01:54:52,980
himself or herself in trouble

3726
01:54:52,980 --> 01:54:53,320
by had a relationship.

3727
01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:53,933
Want to see where that person

3728
01:54:53,933 --> 01:54:56,503
going to vehicle put the plate

3729
01:54:56,503 --> 01:54:57,271
in that and we're able to see

3730
01:54:57,271 --> 01:54:59,671
that and there's immediate

3731
01:55:00,207 --> 01:55:00,741
discipline that was associated

3732
01:55:00,741 --> 01:55:02,741
with that behavior.

3733
01:55:04,212 --> 01:55:05,790
>> so there's very strict

3734
01:55:05,790 --> 01:55:08,217
measures in how to use it has

3735
01:55:08,217 --> 01:55:09,170
to be associated with a crime

3736
01:55:09,170 --> 01:55:12,210
as we associate with some type

3737
01:55:12,210 --> 01:55:15,210
of investigation and it is

3738
01:55:16,258 --> 01:55:17,159
audited so any search goes in

3739
01:55:17,159 --> 01:55:18,928
there we'll be able to see why

3740
01:55:18,928 --> 01:55:20,290
was searched, what to search

3741
01:55:20,290 --> 01:55:20,463
for and then we can match that

3742
01:55:20,463 --> 01:55:22,463
with someone.

3743
01:55:22,932 --> 01:55:23,867
>> officers go to work.

3744
01:55:23,867 --> 01:55:25,669
>> they have what's called a

3745
01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:28,669
hotlist and a handler shows

3746
01:55:31,750 --> 01:55:31,876
nordenson vehicles that could

3747
01:55:31,876 --> 01:55:34,145
be in their area of operation

3748
01:55:34,145 --> 01:55:34,678
or where they're working.

3749
01:55:34,678 --> 01:55:36,678
>> right.

3750
01:55:37,815 --> 01:55:38,750
So what the license plate

3751
01:55:38,750 --> 01:55:39,351
reader does for that officer

3752
01:55:39,351 --> 01:55:41,751
stuto officer seen it.

3753
01:55:42,687 --> 01:55:45,687
>> you'll be alerted he stole

3754
01:55:46,492 --> 01:55:47,359
vehicles at ah just stroll

3755
01:55:47,359 --> 01:55:49,728
through this location at this

3756
01:55:49,728 --> 01:55:50,763
time.

3757
01:55:50,763 --> 01:55:53,763
>> the other thing that this

3758
01:55:54,368 --> 01:55:56,970
alpers cameras can also do for

3759
01:55:56,970 --> 01:55:58,380
us is see we have a

3760
01:55:58,380 --> 01:56:01,380
presidential visit and we want

3761
01:56:04,878 --> 01:56:05,880
to we can actually see for

3762
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:08,880
location anything that looks at

3763
01:56:09,684 --> 01:56:10,118
suspicious packages is what I'm

3764
01:56:10,118 --> 01:56:12,118
talking about.

3765
01:56:13,880 --> 01:56:14,256
If a big place and sister for

3766
01:56:14,256 --> 01:56:17,359
a long period of time alert the

3767
01:56:17,359 --> 01:56:18,360
officers, there's an object

3768
01:56:18,360 --> 01:56:21,430
that was sitting there that was

3769
01:56:21,430 --> 01:56:22,432
not there for a longer period

3770
01:56:22,432 --> 01:56:24,330
of time and that is an extreme

3771
01:56:24,330 --> 01:56:24,767
situation awareness for us

3772
01:56:24,767 --> 01:56:26,767
especially in presidential

3773
01:56:28,138 --> 01:56:29,205
dignitary type visits.

3774
01:56:29,205 --> 01:56:32,805
So it's a multitude of things

3775
01:56:36,180 --> 01:56:37,148
but I can tell you this it's a

3776
01:56:37,148 --> 01:56:40,148
tool that has very strict

3777
01:56:40,452 --> 01:56:43,452
policies and procedures of how

3778
01:56:44,789 --> 01:56:45,457
we utilize this tool and it is

3779
01:56:45,457 --> 01:56:47,857
not the facial recognition.

3780
01:56:48,930 --> 01:56:48,961
There's no fake facial

3781
01:56:48,961 --> 01:56:51,630
recognition at all in this

3782
01:56:51,630 --> 01:56:54,634
alpers cameras and like I said,

3783
01:56:54,634 --> 01:56:54,968
after 31 days that data's gone

3784
01:56:54,968 --> 01:56:56,968
.

3785
01:56:59,639 --> 01:57:00,408
I'm glad there's a lot of

3786
01:57:00,408 --> 01:57:01,141
oversight on this because the

3787
01:57:01,141 --> 01:57:03,410
phrase I'm with the government,

3788
01:57:03,410 --> 01:57:03,744
I'm here to help is a good

3789
01:57:03,744 --> 01:57:05,744
phrase.

3790
01:57:06,714 --> 01:57:07,781
>> civil liberties are always

3791
01:57:07,781 --> 01:57:08,582
the balancing act we have to

3792
01:57:08,582 --> 01:57:11,152
have and as I understand it,

3793
01:57:11,152 --> 01:57:11,919
you currently have alpers in

3794
01:57:11,919 --> 01:57:14,723
mobile form on squad cars

3795
01:57:14,723 --> 01:57:15,623
driving around but I think for

3796
01:57:15,623 --> 01:57:16,391
me the oversight we had to make

3797
01:57:16,391 --> 01:57:18,360
sure that any data that's

3798
01:57:18,360 --> 01:57:19,161
gathered by anybody needs to

3799
01:57:19,161 --> 01:57:22,161
have the proper oversight and

3800
01:57:22,331 --> 01:57:22,765
audit done so we're playing by

3801
01:57:22,765 --> 01:57:24,765
the rules.

3802
01:57:25,101 --> 01:57:27,101
>> thank you all.

3803
01:57:29,138 --> 01:57:30,173
>> I've been lucky.

3804
01:57:30,173 --> 01:57:32,800
>> so for example, I'm just

3805
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:32,542
going to pick this out of the

3806
01:57:32,542 --> 01:57:33,610
air.

3807
01:57:33,610 --> 01:57:36,213
Let's say you have a red car

3808
01:57:36,213 --> 01:57:37,281
with a white bumper sticker on

3809
01:57:37,281 --> 01:57:37,915
the back involved in a hit and

3810
01:57:37,915 --> 01:57:40,315
run on moreland boulevard.

3811
01:57:40,951 --> 01:57:41,819
So you have a complaint from a

3812
01:57:41,819 --> 01:57:44,656
citizen, the person who was hit

3813
01:57:44,656 --> 01:57:45,123
it was a red car with a white

3814
01:57:45,123 --> 01:57:46,157
bumper sticker.

3815
01:57:46,157 --> 01:57:47,726
Would you be able to go into

3816
01:57:47,726 --> 01:57:51,926
this system and say I want to

3817
01:57:51,964 --> 01:57:52,631
look for all red cars with a

3818
01:57:52,631 --> 01:57:55,267
white bumper sticker on that

3819
01:57:55,267 --> 01:57:56,235
with that exact and then and

3820
01:57:56,235 --> 01:57:57,137
then that would get you to a

3821
01:57:57,137 --> 01:57:59,305
license plate and be able to

3822
01:57:59,305 --> 01:57:59,939
then investigate?

3823
01:57:59,939 --> 01:58:01,374
>> that's correct.

3824
01:58:01,374 --> 01:58:03,877
Ok, then I'd be in my in my

3825
01:58:03,877 --> 01:58:06,877
previous career we've been very

3826
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:07,848
successful with just the basics

3827
01:58:07,848 --> 01:58:10,848
part of license plate readers.

3828
01:58:11,619 --> 01:58:12,387
This one here has more up to

3829
01:58:12,387 --> 01:58:14,787
date and more technology

3830
01:58:15,556 --> 01:58:17,956
advanced technology where we

3831
01:58:19,594 --> 01:58:22,564
could actually exactly or crack

3832
01:58:22,564 --> 01:58:25,564
in the rear quarter panel

3833
01:58:26,869 --> 01:58:27,570
window they'll be able to

3834
01:58:27,570 --> 01:58:28,938
narrow down two vehicles that

3835
01:58:28,938 --> 01:58:30,938
match that's precise

3836
01:58:33,109 --> 01:58:34,110
information.

3837
01:58:34,110 --> 01:58:36,479
Alderman older person kelvin

3838
01:58:36,479 --> 01:58:36,980
slaven.

3839
01:58:36,980 --> 01:58:38,140
>> yeah.

3840
01:58:38,140 --> 01:58:40,717
So I just have a quick question

3841
01:58:40,717 --> 01:58:41,385
sort of on the flip side this

3842
01:58:41,385 --> 01:58:43,988
is really only targeting the

3843
01:58:43,988 --> 01:58:44,522
vehicles themselves so not the

3844
01:58:44,522 --> 01:58:45,590
driver.

3845
01:58:45,590 --> 01:58:48,593
So let's say there's a driver

3846
01:58:48,593 --> 01:58:49,294
who has a registered vehicle

3847
01:58:49,294 --> 01:58:51,697
with a specific license plate

3848
01:58:51,697 --> 01:58:52,531
and they have a history of x,

3849
01:58:52,531 --> 01:58:54,931
y, z criminal behavior.

3850
01:58:55,667 --> 01:58:56,568
You aren't necessarily tracking

3851
01:58:56,568 --> 01:58:59,572
that license plate to kind of

3852
01:58:59,572 --> 01:58:59,905
follow that person around,

3853
01:58:59,905 --> 01:59:00,840
right?

3854
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:01,741
>> I mean that seems obvious

3855
01:59:01,741 --> 01:59:03,509
but I just want to make sure

3856
01:59:03,509 --> 01:59:04,277
that that's clarified that it

3857
01:59:04,277 --> 01:59:06,677
clarifies what we're looking

3858
01:59:07,247 --> 01:59:09,247
for is crime.

3859
01:59:10,383 --> 01:59:12,783
So unregistered vehicles we're

3860
01:59:14,588 --> 01:59:14,922
not tracking those type of

3861
01:59:14,922 --> 01:59:15,657
things.

3862
01:59:15,657 --> 01:59:18,570
We're tracking retail thefts.

3863
01:59:18,292 --> 01:59:19,600
We're tracking stolen vehicles

3864
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:19,860
,tracking robberies.

3865
01:59:19,860 --> 01:59:22,798
You're tracking hit and runs.

3866
01:59:22,798 --> 01:59:25,798
We're tracking those type of

3867
01:59:26,101 --> 01:59:26,668
crimes and we're not tracking

3868
01:59:26,668 --> 01:59:28,668
individuals.

3869
01:59:30,607 --> 01:59:31,373
>> we are using the license

3870
01:59:31,373 --> 01:59:33,773
plate reader information as

3871
01:59:34,844 --> 01:59:35,611
intelligence to provide a lead

3872
01:59:35,611 --> 01:59:38,110
to assistance of further

3873
01:59:41,251 --> 01:59:43,251
investigation any other

3874
01:59:43,420 --> 01:59:45,820
questions for chief all

3875
01:59:48,159 --> 01:59:51,159
romanian for my technology hat

3876
01:59:51,863 --> 01:59:55,367
on for a minute and ask a

3877
01:59:55,367 --> 01:59:56,234
couple of questions unnecessary

3878
01:59:56,234 --> 01:59:58,634
totally finance related but

3879
02:00:03,750 --> 02:00:06,675
could be how do these things

3880
02:00:07,313 --> 02:00:08,381
communicate back to home base

3881
02:00:08,381 --> 02:00:10,884
and are they living on the city

3882
02:00:10,884 --> 02:00:11,651
network of a self-contained

3883
02:00:11,651 --> 02:00:14,651
where's that data being stored?

3884
02:00:15,823 --> 02:00:18,223
>> flagstaff's the data cosper

3885
02:00:19,627 --> 02:00:20,294
camera is about twenty eight

3886
02:00:20,294 --> 02:00:22,430
hundred dollars per camera.

3887
02:00:22,430 --> 02:00:23,297
That includes storing the data

3888
02:00:23,297 --> 02:00:26,297
associated with that has no

3889
02:00:26,534 --> 02:00:26,868
network ties into the city at

3890
02:00:26,868 --> 02:00:28,868
all.

3891
02:00:30,305 --> 02:00:31,720
>> ok, are they cellular level

3892
02:00:31,720 --> 02:00:33,472
connecting back to flock.

3893
02:00:33,810 --> 02:00:35,810
>> yes.

3894
02:00:37,647 --> 02:00:39,115
Ok thank you for that.

3895
02:00:39,115 --> 02:00:42,180
>> I am I only ask that just in

3896
02:00:42,180 --> 02:00:45,180
case you think that questions

3897
02:00:45,522 --> 02:00:46,623
out from left field we we in

3898
02:00:46,623 --> 02:00:49,627
the I.T. Board spend a lot of

3899
02:00:49,627 --> 02:00:50,394
time talking about cameras and

3900
02:00:50,394 --> 02:00:50,795
data storage and the expenses.

3901
02:00:50,795 --> 02:00:52,795
yes.

3902
02:00:53,898 --> 02:00:54,899
With that particular item in

3903
02:00:54,899 --> 02:00:57,202
the optical cameras one of

3904
02:00:57,202 --> 02:00:57,769
those items that we've dealt

3905
02:00:57,769 --> 02:01:00,169
with over the years.

3906
02:01:00,539 --> 02:01:01,407
>> so I just wondered if this

3907
02:01:01,407 --> 02:01:03,807
was similar or not.

3908
02:01:04,577 --> 02:01:05,878
>> you bring up one good point

3909
02:01:05,878 --> 02:01:06,679
like to so one of the things we

3910
02:01:06,679 --> 02:01:07,780
do want to do with these

3911
02:01:07,780 --> 02:01:11,584
cameras is we want to do the

3912
02:01:11,584 --> 02:01:12,752
six pilot testing, get the data

3913
02:01:12,752 --> 02:01:16,557
no cost to the city at all.

3914
02:01:16,557 --> 02:01:17,624
But we want to do is leverage

3915
02:01:17,624 --> 02:01:18,250
our data to be a force

3916
02:01:18,250 --> 02:01:18,892
multiplier.

3917
02:01:18,892 --> 02:01:20,461
>> we go to these businesses

3918
02:01:20,461 --> 02:01:20,761
and say you retail thefts are

3919
02:01:20,761 --> 02:01:22,761
here.

3920
02:01:23,764 --> 02:01:25,990
>> our guard is capturing us.

3921
02:01:25,990 --> 02:01:28,699
You would you be interested in

3922
02:01:29,370 --> 02:01:31,437
obtaining this license plate?

3923
02:01:32,207 --> 02:01:33,308
We MAY come to you as a console

3924
02:01:33,308 --> 02:01:36,412
and see these five points in a

3925
02:01:36,412 --> 02:01:39,412
city are definitely worth us

3926
02:01:39,782 --> 02:01:40,549
putting these license rear

3927
02:01:40,549 --> 02:01:41,317
cameras at these locations

3928
02:01:41,317 --> 02:01:43,687
because we'll be a force

3929
02:01:43,687 --> 02:01:44,454
multiplier and reducing

3930
02:01:44,454 --> 02:01:46,454
implicating transit crime

3931
02:01:49,693 --> 02:01:52,693
that's occurred in our city.

3932
02:01:52,730 --> 02:01:53,831
>> alderman lepke, my business

3933
02:01:53,831 --> 02:01:57,735
has a camera in it that is

3934
02:01:57,735 --> 02:01:58,537
focused on the intersection of

3935
02:01:58,537 --> 02:02:00,937
highway 100 and capital drive

3936
02:02:01,840 --> 02:02:02,942
and it just sits there 24 hours

3937
02:02:02,942 --> 02:02:05,577
a day and his focus is on that

3938
02:02:05,577 --> 02:02:06,545
intersection and a company pays

3939
02:02:06,545 --> 02:02:07,346
me thirty dollars a month just

3940
02:02:07,346 --> 02:02:09,748
to have that camera there so

3941
02:02:09,748 --> 02:02:10,382
that there's evidence accident

3942
02:02:10,382 --> 02:02:11,550
on that corner.

3943
02:02:11,550 --> 02:02:13,920
They can go back there with a

3944
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:14,821
complaint from citizen that

3945
02:02:14,821 --> 02:02:17,323
there was an accident here and

3946
02:02:17,323 --> 02:02:18,258
they can get a video of that.

3947
02:02:18,258 --> 02:02:21,194
>> they sell the information to

3948
02:02:21,194 --> 02:02:22,620
the to the authorities, you

3949
02:02:22,620 --> 02:02:25,633
know, so they can get paid.

3950
02:02:25,633 --> 02:02:26,334
But it's a good idea to have a

3951
02:02:26,334 --> 02:02:29,136
camera there that does nothing

3952
02:02:29,136 --> 02:02:30,104
but just sits there in case

3953
02:02:30,104 --> 02:02:33,408
something happens not to spy on

3954
02:02:33,408 --> 02:02:36,408
everybody but just to like

3955
02:02:36,979 --> 02:02:39,379
somebody steals the catalytic

3956
02:02:39,815 --> 02:02:40,884
converter off of a of of a lot

3957
02:02:40,884 --> 02:02:44,387
you know, somebody says we saw

3958
02:02:44,387 --> 02:02:48,125
a blue sedan with a broken out

3959
02:02:48,125 --> 02:02:48,791
window search for that to maybe

3960
02:02:48,791 --> 02:02:51,191
lead to a crime.

3961
02:02:52,329 --> 02:02:53,970
Our business replaces two to

3962
02:02:53,970 --> 02:02:55,497
three catalytic converters a

3963
02:02:55,599 --> 02:02:56,133
month and that's just one

3964
02:02:56,133 --> 02:02:58,133
little gas station.

3965
02:02:59,570 --> 02:03:02,641
>> so that is a huge crime

3966
02:03:02,641 --> 02:03:03,641
opportunity to put it in big

3967
02:03:03,641 --> 02:03:06,641
parking lots to maybe catch

3968
02:03:06,645 --> 02:03:07,512
these catalytic converter

3969
02:03:07,512 --> 02:03:09,912
thieves because they are

3970
02:03:10,917 --> 02:03:11,250
impacting a tremendous expense

3971
02:03:11,250 --> 02:03:12,151
.

3972
02:03:12,151 --> 02:03:14,151
>> the average catalytic

3973
02:03:15,555 --> 02:03:16,355
converter is two thousand

3974
02:03:16,355 --> 02:03:19,590
dollars for a customer if yours

3975
02:03:19,590 --> 02:03:19,927
gets cut out of your car.

3976
02:03:19,927 --> 02:03:20,928
>> so catch these people.

3977
02:03:20,928 --> 02:03:23,530
They just use an electric

3978
02:03:23,530 --> 02:03:24,640
sawzall and they're gone in

3979
02:03:24,640 --> 02:03:26,640
about three minutes.

3980
02:03:27,670 --> 02:03:27,401
So I'm I'm in favor of this

3981
02:03:27,401 --> 02:03:28,200
program.

3982
02:03:28,200 --> 02:03:30,200
>> thank you.

3983
02:03:30,938 --> 02:03:31,773
Very good.

3984
02:03:31,773 --> 02:03:32,174
>> any other any other

3985
02:03:32,174 --> 02:03:32,941
discussion?

3986
02:03:32,941 --> 02:03:35,744
I'll entertain a motion to

3987
02:03:35,744 --> 02:03:38,213
approve the item is presented

3988
02:03:38,213 --> 02:03:39,214
alan mcilvanney I'll second

3989
02:03:39,214 --> 02:03:42,170
I'll make a motion to approve

3990
02:03:42,170 --> 02:03:42,985
the item as presented alderman

3991
02:03:42,985 --> 02:03:44,954
elderly is the second any

3992
02:03:44,954 --> 02:03:45,288
further discussion on this item

3993
02:03:45,288 --> 02:03:47,288
?

3994
02:03:49,425 --> 02:03:50,827
>> it's not my very good one

3995
02:03:50,827 --> 02:03:53,827
appears on your screen please

3996
02:03:59,870 --> 02:04:00,437
vote that item passes

3997
02:04:00,437 --> 02:04:00,938
unanimously.

3998
02:04:00,938 --> 02:04:01,538
Thank you.

3999
02:04:01,538 --> 02:04:02,273
Thank you gentlemen.

4000
02:04:02,273 --> 02:04:03,507
Thank you very much.

4001
02:04:03,507 --> 02:04:04,442
do you have a good night?

4002
02:04:04,442 --> 02:04:06,844
>> brings us to item number

4003
02:04:06,844 --> 02:04:07,812
four which is review and act on

4004
02:04:07,812 --> 02:04:08,513
the approval of a mowing

4005
02:04:08,513 --> 02:04:11,117
contract for tall grass and

4006
02:04:11,117 --> 02:04:13,517
weeds on private property.

4007
02:04:14,853 --> 02:04:15,554
>> MISS Andrews, thank you for

4008
02:04:15,554 --> 02:04:18,524
being thank you for being

4009
02:04:18,524 --> 02:04:19,910
writing a thank you for being

4010
02:04:19,910 --> 02:04:19,959
patient this evening.

4011
02:04:19,959 --> 02:04:22,428
>> jennifer, this is just a

4012
02:04:22,428 --> 02:04:26,280
renewal we have a contract with

4013
02:04:26,267 --> 02:04:26,900
a landscape contractor to mow

4014
02:04:26,900 --> 02:04:27,701
on private property when

4015
02:04:27,701 --> 02:04:30,470
there's a violation in the

4016
02:04:30,470 --> 02:04:31,271
private property owner has not

4017
02:04:31,271 --> 02:04:33,775
taken care of that we assess

4018
02:04:33,775 --> 02:04:34,642
that cost back to the private

4019
02:04:34,642 --> 02:04:35,710
property owner as well.

4020
02:04:35,710 --> 02:04:36,770
>> this is a renewal of the

4021
02:04:36,770 --> 02:04:38,770
contract.

4022
02:04:45,487 --> 02:04:46,355
They performed very well over

4023
02:04:46,355 --> 02:04:47,550
the last three years is for

4024
02:04:47,550 --> 02:04:47,523
three years and there's no

4025
02:04:47,523 --> 02:04:48,224
price increase.

4026
02:04:48,224 --> 02:04:48,857
>> so ok, very good.

4027
02:04:48,857 --> 02:04:49,692
Thank you jennifer.

4028
02:04:49,692 --> 02:04:52,920
>> alderman lemcke correct in

4029
02:04:52,495 --> 02:04:55,495
assuming that gorath over help

4030
02:04:56,599 --> 02:04:57,367
that I pushed it am I am I

4031
02:04:57,367 --> 02:04:59,537
correct to assume that the

4032
02:04:59,537 --> 02:05:00,637
ordinance is that grass cannot

4033
02:05:00,637 --> 02:05:04,237
be longer than eight inches and

4034
02:05:06,978 --> 02:05:07,945
if a person refuses to cut it

4035
02:05:07,945 --> 02:05:08,746
they get a little notice on

4036
02:05:08,746 --> 02:05:10,414
their lawn that says you must

4037
02:05:10,414 --> 02:05:11,449
cut this within three days and

4038
02:05:11,449 --> 02:05:14,520
if they don't do it then this

4039
02:05:14,520 --> 02:05:15,321
contractor would come out and

4040
02:05:15,321 --> 02:05:18,324
mow that grass to be billed to

4041
02:05:18,324 --> 02:05:19,158
the property owner.

4042
02:05:19,158 --> 02:05:21,158
>> yep, that's correct.

4043
02:05:22,695 --> 02:05:25,665
Thank ok any any other

4044
02:05:25,665 --> 02:05:26,599
questions for jennifer?

4045
02:05:26,599 --> 02:05:29,436
I'll make a motion to approve.

4046
02:05:29,436 --> 02:05:30,304
Is there a second second by

4047
02:05:30,304 --> 02:05:32,704
alderman bartel's any further

4048
02:05:33,673 --> 02:05:34,308
discussion on this item?

4049
02:05:34,308 --> 02:05:36,308
>> all right.

4050
02:05:36,610 --> 02:05:40,210
When it appears on your screen

4051
02:05:40,548 --> 02:05:40,948
please vote that item passes

4052
02:05:40,948 --> 02:05:42,948
unanimously.

4053
02:05:44,152 --> 02:05:45,187
Thank you, jennifer.

4054
02:05:45,187 --> 02:05:46,288
That'll bring us to item number

4055
02:05:46,288 --> 02:05:48,790
four d which is a matter of

4056
02:05:48,790 --> 02:05:49,458
report this evening and that's

4057
02:05:49,458 --> 02:05:51,858
capital carryovers by fund

4058
02:05:52,661 --> 02:05:55,661
funds for four ten four

4059
02:05:56,265 --> 02:05:57,133
twenty four thirty six three

4060
02:05:57,133 --> 02:06:00,733
six five which is clean water

4061
02:06:03,107 --> 02:06:06,707
and return flow deniece ok yeah

4062
02:06:07,111 --> 02:06:08,212
so these items again are being

4063
02:06:08,212 --> 02:06:11,415
presented as a matter of report

4064
02:06:11,415 --> 02:06:12,283
and attached to your agenda is

4065
02:06:12,283 --> 02:06:15,870
a separate document for each of

4066
02:06:15,870 --> 02:06:16,870
the funds with the carryovers

4067
02:06:16,870 --> 02:06:19,870
because these capital funds are

4068
02:06:19,257 --> 02:06:20,225
considered nonlawyer corpsing

4069
02:06:20,225 --> 02:06:22,625
statutorily there's no action

4070
02:06:23,862 --> 02:06:24,730
needed on your part this

4071
02:06:24,730 --> 02:06:27,733
evening but we do like to

4072
02:06:27,733 --> 02:06:31,333
present this once a year around

4073
02:06:31,538 --> 02:06:32,439
this time what I was going to

4074
02:06:32,439 --> 02:06:35,409
do is just make a few global

4075
02:06:35,409 --> 02:06:36,510
comments about carryovers and

4076
02:06:36,510 --> 02:06:37,177
then if you'd like me to go

4077
02:06:37,177 --> 02:06:39,813
into the individual sheets I

4078
02:06:39,813 --> 02:06:40,681
will but I start with just a

4079
02:06:40,681 --> 02:06:44,281
few global comments and we can

4080
02:06:45,287 --> 02:06:46,320
go from there.

4081
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:49,320
>> so the capital funds are

4082
02:06:49,324 --> 02:06:50,158
considered non lapsing because

4083
02:06:50,158 --> 02:06:52,558
these projects often are

4084
02:06:53,762 --> 02:06:56,162
multi-year projects or there

4085
02:06:57,367 --> 02:06:58,234
MAY be a large capital purchase

4086
02:06:58,234 --> 02:06:59,100
for some kind of fleet

4087
02:06:59,100 --> 02:07:01,905
equipment where we purchase in

4088
02:07:01,905 --> 02:07:02,772
one year but we don't receive

4089
02:07:02,772 --> 02:07:05,772
the the item until the

4090
02:07:05,909 --> 02:07:06,810
following year and then then

4091
02:07:06,810 --> 02:07:09,810
we're required to make payment

4092
02:07:10,314 --> 02:07:14,180
on and I think this year in the

4093
02:07:14,180 --> 02:07:14,919
last in the previous year this

4094
02:07:14,919 --> 02:07:17,919
was especially true due to

4095
02:07:18,220 --> 02:07:18,457
covid and some of the supply

4096
02:07:18,457 --> 02:07:20,425
chain issues.

4097
02:07:20,425 --> 02:07:21,393
So we're going to see some of

4098
02:07:21,393 --> 02:07:24,393
these carryovers be maybe a

4099
02:07:24,597 --> 02:07:25,564
little bit higher than maybe

4100
02:07:25,564 --> 02:07:28,568
they had been in the last

4101
02:07:28,568 --> 02:07:29,802
couple of years.

4102
02:07:29,802 --> 02:07:32,972
The other thing is as we know

4103
02:07:32,972 --> 02:07:33,840
we've been tackling a lot of

4104
02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:36,840
large capital projects over the

4105
02:07:37,344 --> 02:07:40,180
last few years, many of which

4106
02:07:40,180 --> 02:07:41,348
are going to come to an end

4107
02:07:41,348 --> 02:07:44,348
come to completion by the

4108
02:07:44,518 --> 02:07:46,518
summer of 2022.

4109
02:07:49,191 --> 02:07:51,593
>> so this ah this is just

4110
02:07:51,593 --> 02:07:52,594
we're going to be carrying over

4111
02:07:52,594 --> 02:07:55,297
those funds so that we can

4112
02:07:55,297 --> 02:07:56,365
complete those projects and

4113
02:07:56,365 --> 02:07:57,320
then we'd be looking if there

4114
02:07:57,320 --> 02:07:59,635
are any savings in these

4115
02:07:59,635 --> 02:08:00,569
projects we'd be looking to

4116
02:08:00,569 --> 02:08:03,569
apply some of those excess

4117
02:08:04,107 --> 02:08:07,107
funds balances perhaps to some

4118
02:08:07,678 --> 02:08:10,780
projects in 2023 or reducing

4119
02:08:11,815 --> 02:08:12,149
our spring borrowing in 2020 or

4120
02:08:12,149 --> 02:08:13,117
three.

4121
02:08:13,117 --> 02:08:15,586
>> so right now this is

4122
02:08:15,586 --> 02:08:18,586
carrying over the amounts to

4123
02:08:19,590 --> 02:08:20,910
complete a lot of projects.

4124
02:08:20,910 --> 02:08:20,792
Right.

4125
02:08:20,792 --> 02:08:22,427
Denise, thank you.

4126
02:08:22,427 --> 02:08:26,270
So just in summation and we

4127
02:08:26,932 --> 02:08:27,733
have the sheet on our um on our

4128
02:08:27,733 --> 02:08:30,669
we have our sheet attached so

4129
02:08:30,669 --> 02:08:31,737
you've got a summary sheet for

4130
02:08:31,737 --> 02:08:32,738
each of the each of the funds

4131
02:08:32,738 --> 02:08:34,841
and like you said, this is more

4132
02:08:34,841 --> 02:08:35,708
of a matter of report because

4133
02:08:35,708 --> 02:08:38,108
these are capital capital

4134
02:08:39,790 --> 02:08:39,679
projects that have been

4135
02:08:39,679 --> 02:08:40,313
approved by the finance

4136
02:08:40,313 --> 02:08:41,848
committee in the council.

4137
02:08:41,848 --> 02:08:42,717
Just to your point like due to

4138
02:08:42,717 --> 02:08:43,518
timing and some other things

4139
02:08:43,518 --> 02:08:44,384
aren't didn't quite get done or

4140
02:08:44,384 --> 02:08:45,953
getting carried over into the

4141
02:08:45,953 --> 02:08:46,587
next fiscal year.

4142
02:08:46,587 --> 02:08:47,388
>> that's correct.

4143
02:08:47,388 --> 02:08:50,910
Was there any questions from

4144
02:08:50,910 --> 02:08:50,558
the committee on any of the

4145
02:08:50,558 --> 02:08:51,359
specific funds?

4146
02:08:51,359 --> 02:08:53,895
Again, we've got the summary

4147
02:08:53,895 --> 02:08:54,329
sheets and I know we've all

4148
02:08:54,329 --> 02:08:56,329
reviewed well.

4149
02:08:56,698 --> 02:08:57,320
>> all right, denise, thank you

4150
02:08:57,320 --> 02:08:57,967
.

4151
02:08:57,967 --> 02:08:58,767
so there's no action needed on

4152
02:08:58,767 --> 02:09:00,970
that because it's a matter of

4153
02:09:00,970 --> 02:09:01,437
report that'll bring us to

4154
02:09:01,437 --> 02:09:03,437
communications.

4155
02:09:04,940 --> 02:09:05,508
>> denise, anything nothing on

4156
02:09:05,508 --> 02:09:06,509
my end.

4157
02:09:06,509 --> 02:09:08,909
>> ok and referrals any

4158
02:09:09,712 --> 02:09:10,413
referrals?

4159
02:09:10,413 --> 02:09:10,914
The committee.

4160
02:09:10,914 --> 02:09:12,914
All right.

4161
02:09:13,149 --> 02:09:16,749
All I mean mannion if this

4162
02:09:17,540 --> 02:09:17,955
counts as a referral but if it

4163
02:09:17,955 --> 02:09:21,425
might it's more of a request.

4164
02:09:21,425 --> 02:09:21,826
But that's kind of what a

4165
02:09:21,826 --> 02:09:23,826
referral is.

4166
02:09:24,629 --> 02:09:25,597
>> I was wondering, denise,

4167
02:09:25,597 --> 02:09:28,400
maybe if you could put your

4168
02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:29,367
head together with kevin and

4169
02:09:29,367 --> 02:09:31,767
provide for the finance

4170
02:09:32,371 --> 02:09:35,941
committee a little bit of a

4171
02:09:35,941 --> 02:09:38,341
report around the potential

4172
02:09:39,979 --> 02:09:41,281
impact of rising fuel costs on

4173
02:09:41,281 --> 02:09:44,384
the city and if there is a plan

4174
02:09:44,384 --> 02:09:47,788
to mitigate that or deal with

4175
02:09:47,788 --> 02:09:48,989
that or what that impact is

4176
02:09:48,989 --> 02:09:51,759
going to be long term in our

4177
02:09:51,759 --> 02:09:53,759
budget this year.

4178
02:09:55,197 --> 02:09:55,563
>> yeah, I'll make a note to do

4179
02:09:55,563 --> 02:09:56,497
that.

4180
02:09:56,497 --> 02:09:59,301
>> I know we've been in

4181
02:09:59,301 --> 02:10:00,402
discussions with some of the

4182
02:10:00,402 --> 02:10:03,939
guys in fleet but but yeah that

4183
02:10:03,939 --> 02:10:07,343
that is a concern for all of us

4184
02:10:07,343 --> 02:10:08,143
so I'm sure it is you know, I

4185
02:10:08,143 --> 02:10:11,113
just think it might make sense

4186
02:10:11,113 --> 02:10:11,714
to bring that to light and

4187
02:10:11,714 --> 02:10:12,815
provide some some data.

4188
02:10:12,815 --> 02:10:14,417
>> maybe I'm the only one

4189
02:10:14,417 --> 02:10:15,652
that's interested in that.

4190
02:10:15,652 --> 02:10:19,289
But I think it would be an

4191
02:10:19,289 --> 02:10:20,240
interesting item to bring

4192
02:10:20,240 --> 02:10:22,192
forward to the finance

4193
02:10:22,192 --> 02:10:22,993
committee.

4194
02:10:22,993 --> 02:10:23,861
>> yeah, yeah.

4195
02:10:23,861 --> 02:10:24,462
We can certainly do that.

4196
02:10:24,462 --> 02:10:26,462
Thank you denise.

4197
02:10:26,564 --> 02:10:26,831
Yeah I would I would agree with

4198
02:10:26,831 --> 02:10:27,765
dan.

4199
02:10:27,765 --> 02:10:30,135
I think that you know maybe in

4200
02:10:30,135 --> 02:10:31,136
our next meeting or two if you

4201
02:10:31,136 --> 02:10:31,937
can have just a little bit of

4202
02:10:31,937 --> 02:10:34,106
an update on that because I

4203
02:10:34,106 --> 02:10:35,274
I've also heard anecdotes that

4204
02:10:35,274 --> 02:10:37,677
you know, diesel fuels at three

4205
02:10:37,677 --> 02:10:40,677
four, five dollars a gallon,

4206
02:10:40,880 --> 02:10:41,213
six dollars a gallon, some yeah

4207
02:10:41,213 --> 02:10:42,148
.

4208
02:10:42,148 --> 02:10:42,949
>> I have a funny feeling

4209
02:10:42,949 --> 02:10:45,218
that's going to start to impact

4210
02:10:45,218 --> 02:10:46,152
our budget at some point.

4211
02:10:46,152 --> 02:10:47,120
>> so we appreciate you putting

4212
02:10:47,120 --> 02:10:49,423
some put some effort into that

4213
02:10:49,423 --> 02:10:50,900
any are there any other

4214
02:10:50,900 --> 02:10:52,490
referrals from the committee

4215
02:10:52,760 --> 02:10:54,610
this evening and our next

4216
02:10:54,610 --> 02:10:57,610
meeting, denise, is JUNE 14th,

4217
02:10:57,431 --> 02:10:57,932
JUNE forty six pm.

4218
02:10:57,932 --> 02:10:58,867
All right.

4219
02:10:58,867 --> 02:11:00,668
So our next meeting of the

4220
02:11:00,668 --> 02:11:02,370
finance committee is JUNE 14th

4221
02:11:02,370 --> 02:11:04,000
,6:00 pm and if there's no