1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,240 people parents would sit here in the 2 00:00:01,839 --> 00:00:05,600 parking lot for their kids and then they 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:09,799 were all concerned about the people 4 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,799 drinking playing cards. 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,800 » I bet that was two meetings of that 6 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,800 before. 7 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:28,320 I was trying to figure out how DNR 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:31,359 allowed these guys to put but they did 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,760 along here around the along the river. I 10 00:00:31,359 --> 00:00:38,680 haven't even look at all that. I know 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:38,680 that those $200,000 lots. 12 00:00:38,879 --> 00:00:45,520 » Well, but you know they 13 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:47,520 that legs they they are very careful. 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,680 They got concrete. They weren't supposed 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,800 to cut any off trees down. Look at those 16 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,280 lots are clearer. 17 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:56,559 » Yeah. 18 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:58,950 All right, good evening everyone. 19 00:00:56,559 --> 00:01:01,359 7 o'clock. I'll call this U 20 00:00:58,950 --> 00:01:02,960 [clears throat] September 3rd, 2026 21 00:01:01,359 --> 00:01:05,600 meeting of the planning and zoning 22 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,280 commission to order. Second thing on our 23 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,000 list here is roll call. Page, could you 24 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,040 help us out? 25 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,600 » David Larson, 26 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,640 » Present. 27 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:11,119 » John Meyer 28 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,000 » Present. 29 00:01:11,119 --> 00:01:12,479 » Pete Fuller 30 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,960 » Present. 31 00:01:12,479 --> 00:01:15,439 » Stephanie Garner present. David Huer 32 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:18,400 » Here. 33 00:01:15,439 --> 00:01:21,280 » Kate Payne. Kathy Olsen. 34 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:24,560 » All right, we have quums. Move again. 35 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:26,560 Item C on our agenda is approval for 36 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,560 tonight's meeting. 37 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:31,040 So moved. 38 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,880 I have a second. Second. All right. That 39 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:36,000 motion's been moved and seconded. All in 40 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,119 favor answer with I. I. Hearing none 41 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,840 opposed. Tonight's [clears throat] 42 00:01:37,119 --> 00:01:43,200 agenda passes. 43 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:47,360 Item D is approval of our last meeting 44 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:49,360 which was back on June 4th, 2026. 45 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:52,600 as printed. 46 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,600 No questions. 47 00:01:54,399 --> 00:01:58,960 I appro I move that we approved as 48 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:01,840 presented. Second. All right. It's been 49 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,680 moved and seconded. All in favor say I. 50 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:08,479 I. 51 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:11,520 » That motion passes as well. All right. 52 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:15,120 So item E on our agenda is uh the start 53 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,879 of our public hearing section. Um, so 54 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,440 I'll go over a couple things here and 55 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:22,080 we'll open and close each of these items 56 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,680 one, two, and three separately as we go 57 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,680 through. I'm not going to reread this 58 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,599 every time. So if you have any 59 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,599 questions, let me know. But at this 60 00:02:27,599 --> 00:02:33,120 time, the commissions will open a public 61 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:36,080 hearing on the agenda item one as 62 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:38,319 listed. The this public hearing has been 63 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:41,040 properly noticed in accordance with Iowa 64 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:44,000 law. I invite anyone wishing to speak in 65 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:46,319 favor or in opposition to this item to 66 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:50,400 come forward to the podium. State your 67 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:52,239 name and address for the record. Um, we 68 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,480 can limit the comments. I don't see that 69 00:02:52,239 --> 00:02:56,959 as a problem, but uh, I'll throw 5 70 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:59,200 minutes out for now. So, we'll limit 71 00:02:56,959 --> 00:03:00,879 everyone to 5 minutes so everyone has 72 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,120 the opportunity to be heard for and 73 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:05,599 against. And I respectfully ask that 74 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:08,239 comments not be uh, repetitive of 75 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:11,040 testimony already provided. So state 76 00:03:08,239 --> 00:03:13,280 your opinion um not necessarily repeat 77 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,959 what others had. Please direct all 78 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:18,480 comments to the entire commission not 79 00:03:14,959 --> 00:03:20,640 individual members or staff. And with 80 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,879 that if anyone would like to speak on 81 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:27,599 our first item which is the reasonzoning 82 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:32,319 of parcel ID uh ending in 6007 83 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:34,080 from R3 multifamily residential to an R2 84 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:37,239 district. Please come to the podium at 85 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,239 this time. 86 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:44,000 It' be nice to have addresses on these. 87 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:47,519 » I know this one I didn't have an address 88 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:49,040 for what I could find, but it's the um 89 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:49,599 um friends of the family, 90 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,400 » Right? 91 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:53,120 » Lot. 92 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,480 » Yep. 93 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,799 » Behind Pizza Ranch. 94 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:55,280 » Yes. 95 00:03:54,799 --> 00:03:57,280 » Yep. 96 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,360 » Yes. 97 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,120 » All right. 98 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,000 Seeing no one who wants to speak at this 99 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:06,400 time on this item one in our public 100 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:09,760 hearing section, I will close the public 101 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:13,280 hearing and now the commission uh can 102 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,640 begin our discussion and action. 103 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,840 Paige, could you help us with the agenda 104 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,759 memo at this point? 105 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,840 » Yeah. Uh to start out with, Iowa H 106 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:22,880 Heartland Habitat for Humanity is the 107 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:25,280 applicant on behalf of uh Cedar Valley 108 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:29,040 Friends of the Family to reszone that 109 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:32,000 parcel from R3 down to an R2 to allow 110 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:35,520 for single family homes. Um the 111 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:40,400 intention is to parcel off that single 112 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:41,759 lot into three single family um lots. 113 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,240 » Okay. 114 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:46,160 Um, as you'll see, well, I'll start with 115 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,560 no public comments were received for 116 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,160 that public hearing notice. Um, and then 117 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,520 as you'll see in the agenda memo, there 118 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:57,040 were some items to consider as this 119 00:04:53,520 --> 00:05:01,680 would be a reszoning amending the zoner 120 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:04,680 zoning map and future land use map. 121 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,680 » Yep. 122 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:14,800 » Yeah. I I had some questions and kind of 123 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,400 notes I took. I don't know specifically 124 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,440 and anyone knows, but I noticed on the 125 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:23,199 future land use um it was zoned as 126 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:25,520 future commercial. Um where other areas 127 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:27,919 in that current zoning weren't. So I 128 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:31,280 don't know if there was some history 129 00:05:27,919 --> 00:05:32,880 there or a backstory or if it was just 130 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:33,360 it's not a perfect science. Maybe that 131 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,440 was just 132 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,759 » All of that 133 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:40,320 » Back when it you know because of what it 134 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:42,000 was in the middle. Yeah. Um, all the 135 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,120 residential area that's why we did that 136 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,960 back in. 137 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,240 » Yeah. I didn't think the comprehensive I 138 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,800 think it's because the comprehensive 139 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,840 planners didn't figure on it burning 140 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,360 down, 141 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:55,600 » You know. Um, but 142 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:58,720 » When it burned down, I think it uh 143 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:01,199 changed a lot of people's plans. So that 144 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,919 was uh a non 145 00:06:01,199 --> 00:06:05,919 » It was vacant 146 00:06:01,919 --> 00:06:07,199 » Compliant use as our 147 00:06:05,919 --> 00:06:08,479 » Well it was 148 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:08,880 » It was vacant. 149 00:06:08,479 --> 00:06:11,919 » Yeah. 150 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:14,160 » And I when we did the comprehensive plan 151 00:06:11,919 --> 00:06:14,639 what there were two comprehensive plans 152 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,520 ago. 153 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:16,960 » Oh okay. 154 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,600 » So carryover more or less 155 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,120 » I think. 156 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,880 » Yeah. Okay. Well 157 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,639 » I mean I think it's 158 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:27,039 » I think it's an excellent use for it. It 159 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:31,280 fits. It's it's to me certainly not a a 160 00:06:27,039 --> 00:06:33,919 spot zoning. Everything uh uh on three 161 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:36,800 two sides of it and across the street is 162 00:06:33,919 --> 00:06:40,800 is residential. So, you know, I think 163 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:42,880 it's a excellent use and hope have it of 164 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,479 Habitat for Humanity has success with 165 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,080 it. 166 00:06:44,479 --> 00:06:48,160 » And we do have a representative with 167 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:51,400 Habitat for Humanity tonight if there's 168 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,400 any questions. 169 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:58,000 Yeah, I I agree with John here tonight 170 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:00,560 as well. I think uh you know the infill 171 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:04,240 areas like this are good development 172 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:09,039 opportunities and it's a a spot that I 173 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:12,160 think helps um it's cohesive to what's 174 00:07:09,039 --> 00:07:14,240 around it. So, 175 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,720 » And prior to Valley Friends and Family, 176 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:19,280 it was an infill. 177 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:22,000 » Okay. 178 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:25,880 All right. Additional discussion. If 179 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,880 not, I would ask for a motion. 180 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,479 » Go ahead. golf golf 181 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,400 move the planning and zoning commission 182 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,720 recommend approval of the reszoning 183 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:46,560 application for parcel [clears throat] 184 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:50,479 um IDA 09042760 185 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:53,039 from R3 multifamily to R2 residential 186 00:07:50,479 --> 00:07:55,520 district and amend the zoning and future 187 00:07:53,039 --> 00:07:57,360 land use maps 188 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,960 uh to the city council. 189 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,400 » That seven should be up at the end of 190 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,240 the partial ID number. 191 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,680 » Yeah, I figured that. Yeah. 192 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,360 » So, amendment. 193 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,199 » I didn't pick that up right away, but 194 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,560 then I looked up and I saw where it was. 195 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:10,319 Yeah. 196 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,910 » I will second that motion. 197 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:13,599 » All right. That motion's been moved 198 00:08:11,910 --> 00:08:16,800 [clears throat] and seconded and noted 199 00:08:13,599 --> 00:08:18,160 typo correction there. Uh, all in favor 200 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,280 say I. 201 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,440 » I. 202 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:24,560 » Hearing none opposed. That motion passes 203 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,479 as well. 204 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,560 All right. 205 00:08:26,479 --> 00:08:31,199 And I understand that's a long motion to 206 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:34,800 make because it's like five sentences 207 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:37,200 there in a fine line. So, all right. So, 208 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,599 now I'll go ahead and open the public uh 209 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:43,760 hearing for item two, which is the 210 00:08:39,599 --> 00:08:47,519 reasonzoning of 1320th Street Northwest 211 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:51,200 and 1302 20th Street Northwest, Waverly, 212 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:54,640 Iowa from A1 to R3 213 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:57,760 uh multiple family residential. So if 214 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:59,839 anyone would wish to speak on this item, 215 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:03,640 please approach the podium and again 216 00:08:59,839 --> 00:09:03,640 state your name and address. 217 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,880 Okay. 218 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:17,360 All right. One more time. Anyone want to 219 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,720 speak on this one? If not, I'll close 220 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,600 the public hearing. 221 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:24,800 » I mean, I can add a few comments on this 222 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:26,640 one. Um, 223 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,160 this particular 224 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,839 » Could you identify yourself, please? 225 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:32,480 » This is Paula Guys. I'm the CEO at 226 00:09:29,839 --> 00:09:34,800 Bartles Lutheran Retirement Community. 227 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:39,040 For this particular property, there are 228 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:42,720 there were already two homes there. Um, 229 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:45,920 when we purchased the one home, um, that 230 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:49,040 home has been tore down. There remains a 231 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:51,600 home there that we rent to someone. We 232 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:54,160 would like to reszone this so it's 233 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:59,600 cohesive with Eisenock Village which is 234 00:09:54,160 --> 00:10:01,920 already there and then use it for future 235 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:05,200 properties or accessories to go along 236 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:07,040 with that property. Um I'm not I'm not 237 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:11,120 sure how that all happened historically, 238 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:14,000 but uh it makes sense. Um seems like it 239 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:16,160 should have already been an R2, but I 240 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,920 don't really know the history of that. 241 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:21,839 So, 242 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:25,480 appreciate you taking a look at it. 243 00:10:21,839 --> 00:10:25,480 » Yep. Thank you. 244 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:33,519 » All right. Anyone else would like to 245 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:35,600 speak on this item? 246 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:37,440 Okay. Seeing none, I'll close the public 247 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,600 hearing and now the commission can have 248 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,279 our discussion 249 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,680 and actions. [clears throat] 250 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:47,279 Well, I have been asked by several 251 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:50,320 people out there. Um, the application 252 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:52,959 talks about accessory use with an R3 253 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:55,200 zone. Technically, you could put a 254 00:10:52,959 --> 00:10:59,120 couple duplexes out there in the same 255 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:03,040 mold as Anna Estates or 256 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:06,800 um, Eisenhawk Village. 257 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:09,040 The plan is to use it for storage or 258 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:12,079 garages or 259 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,079 something like that. 260 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:18,320 We don't have a plan for that yet. 261 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:22,560 » Um what we were thinking is yes, we 262 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:24,560 could either do a couple of um 263 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:27,040 I don't know if a duplex would fit, but 264 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:29,839 maybe a single family unit kind of like 265 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:33,760 at Anna Estates. We we would like to 266 00:11:29,839 --> 00:11:37,040 consider possibly doing um a [snorts] 267 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:39,440 storage unit for our residents out 268 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,200 there. Um, so it'd be specifically for 269 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:44,320 our residents, but it would have the 270 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,920 same look and feel as the rest of the 271 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:50,040 the units out there. 272 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:50,040 » Okay. Thank you. 273 00:11:54,399 --> 00:11:58,160 » I realize I didn't have Paige go through 274 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,160 the agenda memo, but I feel we've 275 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,680 covered that just for the record sake. I 276 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,760 guess 277 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:05,600 I'll acknowledge that. 278 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,279 » I will also add though that no public 279 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:11,079 comments were received on that one. I 280 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:11,079 was going to ask. Thank you. 281 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:21,279 Um I will note and I guess in support of 282 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:25,200 it it does match the future land use 283 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:27,519 plan um that this transitions to 284 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:30,160 residential of some sort. So R3 285 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:31,600 certainly fits that. 286 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,320 Well, I would move the planning and 287 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:38,480 zoning commission recommend approval of 288 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:41,839 uh 1300 20th Street 1302 20th Street 289 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:45,279 Northwest from A1 to R3 290 00:12:41,839 --> 00:12:48,000 uh and amend the zoning map to the city. 291 00:12:45,279 --> 00:12:49,600 M amend the zoning map and recommend 292 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,160 that to the city council. 293 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:56,160 » Second. All right, it's been moved and 294 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:58,399 seconded. All in favor say I. 295 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:01,519 » Hearing none opposed. That motion passes 296 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:04,959 as well. 297 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:06,639 Okay, moving to item three uh in our 298 00:13:04,959 --> 00:13:09,360 public hearing. I'll go ahead and open 299 00:13:06,639 --> 00:13:12,399 the public hearing for item 3, which is 300 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:16,800 a reszoning of 220th 9th Avenue 301 00:13:12,399 --> 00:13:19,040 Northwest from R2 uh to R4 multiple 302 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,959 family uh residential transitional 303 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,839 district. 304 00:13:20,959 --> 00:13:24,000 Anyone [clears throat] would like to 305 00:13:21,839 --> 00:13:27,000 speak on this one, please approach the 306 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,000 podium. 307 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:33,200 I'm [clears throat] Larry Hansen. Live 308 00:13:29,839 --> 00:13:36,079 at 1010 Fourth Street Northwest. 309 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:38,480 I live directly west of the property 310 00:13:36,079 --> 00:13:42,000 you're trying to reszone. 311 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:45,560 I am definitely against you reszoning 312 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,560 that to R4. 313 00:13:46,079 --> 00:13:52,160 that is in the middle of an R2 314 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:55,600 residential district 315 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:59,040 and it should not be brought back in as 316 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:02,040 an R4. The school wasn't that bad in an 317 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,040 R2. 318 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:07,440 The reason I'm 319 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:10,880 very much against it, I'm not sure 320 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:15,120 what's going in there. And on R4, you 321 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:19,199 can build a building up to 45 ft tall 322 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:22,959 within 10 ft of my property line. 323 00:14:19,199 --> 00:14:26,079 I have a good view of everything now. 324 00:14:22,959 --> 00:14:29,849 But if you put a 45- ft building up next 325 00:14:26,079 --> 00:14:31,440 to my park lot line, 10 ft away, 326 00:14:29,849 --> 00:14:33,760 [clears throat] I sit on my deck and 327 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:36,760 look at a building that shouldn't be 328 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,760 there. 329 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:43,199 It may you may need housing in this 330 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:45,839 town, but if you want to put single 331 00:14:43,199 --> 00:14:49,519 family in there, fine. But don't be 332 00:14:45,839 --> 00:14:52,079 building no 45 foot buildings. 333 00:14:49,519 --> 00:14:54,000 And I seem can't seem to find out just 334 00:14:52,079 --> 00:14:56,480 what is going in there. I've heard 335 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:59,760 rumors, 336 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:03,120 but I'm dead set against it. 337 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:08,000 It'll ru it'll lower the valuable value 338 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:10,000 of my property along with my neighbors. 339 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,399 It's going to create more problems than 340 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:16,360 it is good. 341 00:15:12,399 --> 00:15:16,360 That's all I have to say. 342 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,760 » Thank you, Larry. 343 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:32,480 » Paula Guys again, uh, CEO of Bartles. 344 00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:36,160 Um, 345 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:39,279 so we do not have an exact plan for what 346 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:44,000 we want to do. Uh, I would just like to 347 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:46,880 talk through a few of um the reasons why 348 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:49,920 we're making this request. So, we're 349 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:52,959 requesting a zoning change from R2 to R4 350 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:56,959 for this property to allow us to develop 351 00:15:52,959 --> 00:15:58,720 additional senior housing. Um, we 352 00:15:56,959 --> 00:16:00,720 believe this is a thoughtful and 353 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,639 appropriate use of the property that 354 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,800 will provide a significant benefit to 355 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:07,120 the Waverly community while being 356 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:09,279 respectful to the surrounding 357 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,920 neighborhood. 358 00:16:09,279 --> 00:16:15,199 Our goal is not simply to develop this 359 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:17,920 property. Our goal is to create quality 360 00:16:15,199 --> 00:16:20,560 housing options for seniors in an 361 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:24,320 appropriate location that strengthens 362 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:26,480 the community for years to come. 363 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:29,040 Two independent housing studies have 364 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:31,360 been done, one by the city, one by 365 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:34,880 Bartles that support the need for 366 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:37,279 additional senior housing in our area. 367 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,440 The demographic information also 368 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:42,240 supports continued demand for senior 369 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:44,240 housing well into the future with the 370 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:48,000 need projected to continue through 371 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:51,040 approximately 2055. 372 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:54,240 This isn't a shortterm opportunity based 373 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:57,519 on today's market. This is a long-term 374 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:59,279 community need. As our population ages, 375 00:16:57,519 --> 00:17:01,440 Waverly and the surrounding area will 376 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:04,079 need appropriate housing options that 377 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,760 allow seniors to remain very active in 378 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:10,000 the community. 379 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:12,480 We are proposing a lower profile, lower 380 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:16,480 density development 381 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:19,039 um really located on this than the 382 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:22,240 former school site which housed 383 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:24,480 approximately 180 students along with 384 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:28,720 school buses and a lot of traffic for 385 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:30,640 pickup and drop off of students. Um, our 386 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:33,200 proposed development will be a lower 387 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:36,240 profile, lower density than what what 388 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,840 previously existed on that site. We 389 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,880 believe this will create a much 390 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:43,280 different environment to the surrounding 391 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,919 uh neighborhood. 392 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:48,400 Uh, the traffic will be significantly 393 00:17:45,919 --> 00:17:50,880 different. Um 394 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:54,960 and we feel like this is a appropriate 395 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:58,640 location for senior housing because um 396 00:17:54,960 --> 00:18:03,760 it gets them close to the downtown area. 397 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:06,160 Um other existing community amenities. 398 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:09,840 They will uh support the Waverly 399 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:12,400 downtown businesses and the WABP right 400 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:16,360 next door gives them other amenities 401 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,360 that would be close by. 402 00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:22,400 Uh 403 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:25,200 when seniors move into appropriate 404 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:28,080 senior housing, they frequently make 405 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:32,080 their existing homes available to 406 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:35,440 firsttime homeowners, which is also an 407 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:37,840 important feature for Waverly. 408 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:41,039 We are a continuous care retirement 409 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:43,840 community and what that means is we have 410 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:47,679 experience serving seniors and 411 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:51,360 understanding their needs over time. 412 00:18:47,679 --> 00:18:53,440 So we have many things um that support 413 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:56,080 them along the way and help them to be 414 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:59,039 successful for a long time in the 415 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:02,080 buildings that we build. We take pride 416 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:05,520 in the quality and steward stewardship. 417 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:07,679 uh we build quality products, we care 418 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:10,320 about the surrounding neighborhood and 419 00:19:07,679 --> 00:19:13,760 would definitely want something to fit 420 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:17,200 in. And we do feel like this would be a 421 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:20,080 long-term benefit to Waverly. 422 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:23,280 Um it addresses a documented need for 423 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:26,720 senior housing. It'll meet a long-term 424 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:28,720 demographical need. Um it'll put an 425 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:32,080 underutilized property back into 426 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:35,600 productive use. create a lower profile, 427 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:38,799 lower density residential environment. 428 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:41,280 Reduces the traffic from the former 429 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:44,640 former school, supports the downtown 430 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:48,080 Waverly businesses, provides convenient 431 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:50,720 access to existing community amenities, 432 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:54,080 and it should complement other 433 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:57,200 residential developments in the area. 434 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:59,840 We understand that resoning changes 435 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,600 deserve careful consideration. 436 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,440 We respect the planning and zoning 437 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,200 commission's responsibility to look at 438 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,178 how this proposal fits into the 439 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,198 neighborhood and the Waverly community. 440 00:20:07,178 --> 00:20:09,198 [clears throat] 441 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,520 More importantly, we believe this 442 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,120 project provides a meaningful public 443 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,840 benefit 444 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:20,400 and the opportunity for seniors to stay 445 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,799 in the Waverly community while helping 446 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,440 create opportunities for other families 447 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:27,200 to enter the housing market. 448 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:30,000 We are committed to building something 449 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:32,080 that's high quality, well-maintained, 450 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,960 and a positive addition to the 451 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:38,640 neighborhood. 452 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:43,159 » Um, if you look at this site, 453 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:43,159 » You get that on the screen with us. 454 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:47,200 » I don't not unless we can put it on the 455 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,360 projector. I don't think it'll go on the 456 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:53,039 screen. 457 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:55,679 » This is the site. Like I said, we don't 458 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:58,640 exactly know, you know, where we would 459 00:20:55,679 --> 00:21:00,720 position things. The these two 460 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:03,200 buildings, this is right across the 461 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:05,840 street. This is right down on Fifth 462 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:08,559 Street. We obviously want something that 463 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:11,280 looks better than that. This is just 464 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:12,880 kind of a proposal with decks facing the 465 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:16,240 river, 466 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:20,159 but more of a low profile. 467 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:23,039 We're not exactly sure about the garages 468 00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:26,480 underneath. Um we know the individuals 469 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:30,480 that live here will want garages. Um but 470 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:35,280 we definitely want kind of a modern 471 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:37,360 look, low profile. Um but the ability to 472 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:40,720 to have people have decks facing the 473 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:44,919 river and um have it be something that 474 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,919 looks really nice for the area. 475 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:52,320 Um, here is the Hansen home. We're 476 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,600 really thinking kind of down like this 477 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,039 to fit in. Well, 478 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:58,320 » And your topography, 479 00:21:55,039 --> 00:22:00,480 » Right? It kind of goes down. So, if you 480 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:03,520 remember where those um playground 481 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,600 equipment was, that kind of was down the 482 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,080 hill, but 483 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:06,960 » Okay. 484 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,039 » I don't know if that 485 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:12,000 » What are your plans going to be for the 486 00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:13,840 south part of that lot then? 487 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,159 Looks like parking in the concept. 488 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,559 » Yeah. 489 00:22:14,159 --> 00:22:18,480 » Well, by Yeah. But I mean, do you need 490 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:20,480 that much parking when you're 491 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,559 » I just We probably keep as much green 492 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:27,360 space as we could. We like to do that 493 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:29,919 with all of our um developments. Um this 494 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:31,520 tree line we'd probably clean out just a 495 00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:34,480 little bit so that they actually could 496 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:36,559 see through to the river. 497 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,240 Yeah, it's [clears throat] 498 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:40,799 I mean looking at the beacon, it looks 499 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,400 like most of those trees are on the 500 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:44,720 other property, but you know, 501 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:47,600 » On the private property. 502 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:51,120 » Yeah, when you look at it, quite a bit 503 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:52,640 of this would happen. 504 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:55,600 » So, you would have no intention of 505 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:59,520 having anything in front of the two 506 00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:02,400 residences up there? No, 507 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,480 there's actually, and it doesn't show it 508 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:08,159 very well, but I think it's because of 509 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:09,440 the line. There's actually a a row of 510 00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:12,440 edges right here. 511 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,440 » Right. 512 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:18,640 We do like to keep a fair amount of 513 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:22,240 green space just for walkability 514 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:24,720 and outdoor space. 515 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:27,039 Um, 516 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,520 » This is just a thought though. So could 517 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:33,600 it be split that the R4 would be down 518 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:36,559 below and we keep the and so that to 519 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:38,880 appease the present land owners that 520 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:41,039 they would not 521 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,880 could not 522 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:43,600 build anything in front of their you 523 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,480 know 524 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:48,559 » What would that do with setbacks? 525 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,159 » Yeah know why it's very complicated. 526 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:52,880 Yeah. Well, I know, but I'm just trying 527 00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:54,559 we're trying to appease, you know, and I 528 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,320 think, you know, that you know, 529 00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:58,640 » We can say what we want to right here 530 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:03,679 and then turn around and and down the 531 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:04,720 road. Um um it could become an issue, 532 00:24:03,679 --> 00:24:07,600 not just an issue. 533 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:10,480 » Let me ask you this. You were on the BNZ 534 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:14,159 when the Waverly Veterans Post was 535 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:16,640 built. How did you guys handle the How 536 00:24:14,159 --> 00:24:19,279 did you handle the buffer zone there 537 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,080 between the dwellings and that? 538 00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:21,600 » Well, 539 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,000 » Before we go there, let's finish the 540 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:22,320 hearing. 541 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:22,960 » Yeah. 542 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,720 » Yeah. I'm sorry. 543 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,279 » Yeah. Before we go there. Yeah. Thanks. 544 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,200 No problem. Um, 545 00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:31,919 » Do you have anything else right now? 546 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:34,960 » No, not someone has questions. 547 00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:36,080 » Have you shared that with the 548 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,520 » The crowd, 549 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,520 » The residences? 550 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,520 » Yeah. 551 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,360 So this is the property. 552 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:53,039 This is 553 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:56,640 » We had, you know, trees and um a BM. 554 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:59,600 They never did it till 555 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,320 » Came up another a second time. You mean 556 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,720 three stories? 557 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:05,679 » Well, you 558 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:08,400 we're not talking four, five stories, 559 00:25:05,679 --> 00:25:09,200 but three stories. 560 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,480 » We don't really 561 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,200 » I know that would make it complicated, 562 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:17,120 but it would sure make everybody 563 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:19,679 happy. That was that was my concern was 564 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:21,919 what they 565 00:25:19,679 --> 00:25:24,240 could build on four stories from the 566 00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:28,039 property line right there. Maybe two 567 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,039 stories, two and a half stories. 568 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,760 not 569 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:42,640 question the board on the board right 570 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:46,120 now 571 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,120 those things change 572 00:25:51,057 --> 00:25:53,120 [clears throat] 573 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:56,679 » But you're right you know put R2 they 574 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:56,679 could really 575 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:01,240 » We're looking at trans 576 00:26:08,088 --> 00:26:11,440 [clears throat] 577 00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:14,880 » Well let's save that for 578 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,603 » To finish the hearing first 579 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,623 » Don't 580 00:26:16,603 --> 00:26:18,623 [clears throat] 581 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:24,799 we 582 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,440 If you got your garage underneath there, 583 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,120 » But you cannot build and run all the 584 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:46,733 water in it. 585 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:47,600 » That's a lot steadily toward the river. 586 00:26:46,733 --> 00:26:49,760 [clears throat] 587 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:52,240 » That would be our construction company's 588 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,000 problem. we can work with them to figure 589 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,120 out how to make the slope work 590 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,880 correctly. 591 00:26:55,120 --> 00:27:01,200 » Yeah, we don't we don't have any 592 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:03,039 specific design yet, but um anyone that 593 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,960 knows BAS knows that we're very 594 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:07,360 thoughtful about making things try to 595 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,200 blend in to the neighborhood the best we 596 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:12,480 can. 597 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:15,919 » Well, that's where I disagree. That hill 598 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:18,960 is quite steep. It all float goes toward 599 00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:20,960 the river. If they build try to build 600 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:24,159 garages underneath, you're running all 601 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:26,720 the water toward the garage, which no 602 00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:29,919 contractor is going to do, they're going 603 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,520 to have to funnel it somewhere else. So, 604 00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:36,000 they're going to have to move it more to 605 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:39,279 the top of the hill to avoid that. 606 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:41,520 And I you I don't understand why you 607 00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:43,039 want to put an R4 in the middle of an 608 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,320 R2. 609 00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:50,000 That all of that is R2. 610 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:55,159 The school was art to preferential use I 611 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:55,159 believe at the time. Yeah. 612 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,919 » My name is Bob O'Hare. I live at 1084 613 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:12,720 Street Northwest. I am the other 614 00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:16,799 homeowner. I agree with everything that 615 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:19,120 Larry is stating and at this stage of 616 00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:22,159 giving them the right to come with our 617 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:26,080 four they can change their mind in 618 00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:28,159 tomorrow and put what they want there. 619 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,080 I mean we got to have something. I don't 620 00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:32,720 want to wake up morning and go out on my 621 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,799 deck and look at a wall out there 622 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,919 either. 623 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:42,559 So till we get some assurance of what's 624 00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:44,159 going to happen, I I'm not for it. 625 00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:46,720 And then where we're talking, she was 626 00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:49,840 talking about the hedges there. The 627 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:52,000 hedges do belong to the school. 628 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:57,320 They're not they're not our property 629 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,320 line is just on the west edge of that. 630 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,880 Thank you. 631 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:11,200 The only other comment I would just add 632 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:13,760 is if you look at some of the houses 633 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:16,880 that are already developed, if you kept 634 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:19,919 it just in R2, the number of houses and 635 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,559 how tall those houses are, 636 00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:25,559 they're very large houses there by the 637 00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:25,559 river. 638 00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:31,399 » Okay. 639 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:38,279 Additional public comments on item three 640 00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:38,279 here. 641 00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:46,159 » I'm Judy Hansen and I live at 1010 First 642 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,919 Streets 643 00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:52,159 and our backyard is connected to the lot 644 00:29:49,919 --> 00:29:55,039 that we're talking about. 645 00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:56,880 And the tall houses that she's talking 646 00:29:55,039 --> 00:30:01,600 about are the ones that are over by the 647 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:05,679 river. They are nice, tall, big houses. 648 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:10,399 Um, the ones around us aren't. 649 00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:13,760 Um, when we moved here in 2014, 650 00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:16,640 we moved there because we like the area. 651 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:19,919 We thought we were real happy with 652 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:24,000 everything, the school, the h neighbors, 653 00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:27,200 the housing around us. And then we heard 654 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:31,200 that the school was going to close. 655 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:33,360 And then we heard that it was being sold 656 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,679 and tore down 657 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,360 and it just broke our hearts because we 658 00:30:35,679 --> 00:30:39,760 thought, "What's going to go in there 659 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,520 next?" 660 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,760 And 661 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:48,159 we don't want 662 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:49,919 three and fourtory homes or condos or 663 00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:51,520 apartments or whatever they're going to 664 00:30:49,919 --> 00:30:53,600 be 665 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:57,919 right next to us sitting out on our 666 00:30:53,600 --> 00:31:00,080 deck. We entertain with families and 667 00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:02,880 having entertainment out there and 668 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:06,720 looking at a side of a three, fourtory 669 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:10,480 home is just not attractive. I don't 670 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:14,000 care how fancy they make it. 671 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:17,919 Um, I agree with my husband and the 672 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:21,360 neighbors that that's not a place for 673 00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:24,720 condos to be put up in the middle of of 674 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:28,640 the homes. We're all used to the school 675 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:30,960 level, a single story. That's why we 676 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,919 moved there because we like the area. We 677 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,840 like the low 678 00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:40,399 housing. 679 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:43,399 And I just hope you don't switch it 680 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:43,399 over. 681 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:55,279 If it was R2, you could put in a twotory 682 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,720 house within 683 00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:58,960 » 7 and 1/2 ft. 684 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,039 » 7 and 1/2 ft of your property line. You 685 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:05,120 realize that too, don't you? 686 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:07,039 » And it can be a max height of 35 ft 687 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,279 » Is what I was looking at. And maybe we 688 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:10,480 should close the public hearing. 689 00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:12,480 » I want to make sure everybody has a 690 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,440 chance to speak. Obviously, we have some 691 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,600 other items to discuss here. Uh, does 692 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:22,279 any other member of our public audience 693 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,279 tonight wish to speak on this topic? 694 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:29,600 » Okay, seeing none, I'll close the public 695 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,279 hearing and we'll go ahead and start our 696 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,399 discussion as a commission. Sorry to 697 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:34,559 interrupt you, Dave. 698 00:32:32,399 --> 00:32:36,799 » No, that's fine. 699 00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:38,399 I just wanted to point out I mean, we 700 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:40,399 need to point out to them what could 701 00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:43,600 happen there, too. If it was left in R2, 702 00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:46,159 they could run a street down 703 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,640 from what is that? Eighth Street. 704 00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:49,519 » Yep. 705 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,919 » Down through there and sell off for R2 706 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:53,440 housing. 707 00:32:51,919 --> 00:32:56,320 » Yeah. And I was doing a little reading 708 00:32:53,440 --> 00:33:00,559 here as well. So yeah, 35 ft for an R2, 709 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:02,960 45 ft for an R4. So it does increase the 710 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:05,039 height with an R4. And it has a 711 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,600 provision for 712 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:09,279 distance on the setback if it's higher 713 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,440 than 45. 714 00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:15,000 which increases the distance from 715 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,000 adjoining parcels 716 00:33:17,679 --> 00:33:22,080 » For Paul. Do you have any concept of how 717 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,240 many units you're talking about on this 718 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,640 lot? 719 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,320 » We haven't done anything. Typically, 720 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,600 what we do is we work with a civil 721 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:35,200 engineer and look at the layout and then 722 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:38,960 we'll work with an architect to help us. 723 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:42,720 Roughly what we were thinking is two 724 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:46,480 lower profile buildings with about 16 725 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:49,868 units in each one. 14 and 16, we're not 726 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,888 exactly sure. 727 00:33:49,868 --> 00:33:51,888 [clears throat] 728 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:02,480 for the wires situation. You could put 729 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:05,519 retainage pods in there so it doesn't 730 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,640 run down into the 731 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,200 housing. 732 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,639 » Yeah. 733 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:14,639 » I mean know that could be done um to 734 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:16,240 take care of that water shed. 735 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,040 » Right. You're the civil engineer. 736 00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:21,359 » Well, I guess I'll start some 737 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:24,320 discussion, make some comments. All of 738 00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:26,560 those drainage issues can be addressed. 739 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,040 the lot is big enough and when you're 740 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:32,159 talking about buildings of that size and 741 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:34,240 footprint um 742 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:37,359 you can solve all of those problems. I I 743 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:40,159 I truly believe you can. As far as the 744 00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:44,639 setback and I don't know if we can 745 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:47,919 recommend approval with um 746 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:50,480 an additional buffer there is not a um 747 00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:52,399 there's a requirement for a site plan 748 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,159 but the site plan goes through 749 00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:59,200 administrative approved review and 750 00:34:54,159 --> 00:35:02,160 approval and I don't know if we can um 751 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:05,599 require with the zoning that uh that we 752 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,400 have uh uh instead of you know 10 foot 753 00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:10,480 you 754 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:14,160 25 or 30 foot setback on that 755 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:16,000 westerly side. Um you know when I look 756 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,400 at our comprehensive plan that we work 757 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:21,760 so hard on and look at the housing goal 758 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:25,359 strategies it fits virtually well it 759 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:27,760 does it fits all of them. Um you know we 760 00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:30,160 want a mixed housing type support 761 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:33,760 increases in density filling in vacant 762 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:36,640 spaces. um try to make a you know a 763 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:39,280 cross-section of affordable housing for 764 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:44,000 the uh different age categories of the 765 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:48,320 community. Um um it it just fits all of 766 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:50,320 those things. Um and I I I feel that 767 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:54,480 we've had an eye on that kind of a 768 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:57,839 development that we want, you know, um 769 00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:05,480 more than what R2 density would require 770 00:35:57,839 --> 00:36:05,480 with basically 65 ft by 12t lots. Um, 771 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:11,040 I think that the 772 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:14,000 I think it's important to do some kind 773 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:18,320 of a buffer on the west side 774 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,760 behind those two houses for sure. Um, 775 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,320 and I would hope that that could be 776 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:27,119 addressed during the site plan review 777 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:29,359 process. I would also urge Bartles, I 778 00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:33,200 can't make it a requirement, but when 779 00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:35,599 they get a more firm site plan that they 780 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:39,599 talk to the people out there and make 781 00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:45,040 that happen. So, 782 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:47,839 I'll chime in real quick. We can put um 783 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:50,560 a condition within the resoning 784 00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:54,560 ordinance for this specific parcel. So 785 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:57,520 we can increase that west set back if 786 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,880 » Like we did with Waverly area. 787 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,920 » That's different because that was a 788 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,160 special provisional 789 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:05,280 » Reuse. Yeah. But we could do something 790 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:07,839 like that to require 791 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:10,079 » Some type of a 792 00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:13,599 we did it out in um 793 00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:17,280 » I know like Hines Edition had one um 794 00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:18,720 » Across the road from H or no um from El 795 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,560 Soul restaurant. 796 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:22,880 They put a burm 797 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,520 » In that when that was developed, too. 798 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,440 » Okay. 799 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,079 » So, I mean, there's, you know, we could 800 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,000 require that as part of that 801 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,440 » Because that's what we did out there and 802 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,680 but I know that was a special 803 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:38,160 provisional use with the way area 804 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:44,200 veterans post and and putting a burm in 805 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:44,200 there with some trees and shrubs. 806 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:50,920 How many parking spots are you going to 807 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,920 be looking at there, Paula? 808 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:58,400 » Well, I think it be one vehicle per unit 809 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,800 » And and we depends on the number of 810 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,440 units. We've got requirements of how 811 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,119 many are 812 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,760 » Yeah. No, I know. I just was trying to 813 00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:11,200 figure out, you know, if we if they 814 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:13,119 » Had space, you know, uh in there. Um 815 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:17,520 I mean you were showing garages in the 816 00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:18,000 concept. So it would be for 817 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,920 » Visitors 818 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,920 » Visitors visitor parking. Yeah. 819 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:52,320 Let me ask this question, Bob and Larry. 820 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:56,400 if we could come up with some kind of a 821 00:38:52,320 --> 00:39:00,000 uh um area there to the west or to the 822 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:02,960 east of your houses that would not allow 823 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:05,599 for anything to come within a certain 824 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,599 number of feet. Would that be if you 825 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:10,720 could work with Bartles and that would 826 00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:13,599 that I don't know how large area you're 827 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:15,599 thinking of but if that would be able to 828 00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:19,392 be pulled together with Bartles would 829 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:19,392 you be happy with that? [clears throat] 830 00:39:29,817 --> 00:39:31,837 » [cough] 831 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:38,240 » I guess the big thing to me is the 832 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:41,240 height of the buildings. 833 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:41,240 And 834 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:48,079 even if they put them 45 ft from my 835 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:51,520 backyard, 836 00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:54,320 I still got to I can get a 45 ft 837 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,599 building according to your zoning. 838 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,079 » I'm not saying they're going to build 839 00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:59,599 one that high, but they could. 840 00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:01,200 » It could be 35T, too, 841 00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:02,560 » Right? It could be 35, 842 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,880 » But I think they're talking about 843 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:08,720 parking in that area. 844 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,359 » Well, I know. This is what I don't know. 845 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:11,920 » Yeah. 846 00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:16,240 » I mean, and I don't I don't like the 847 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:20,720 idea of granting them uh 848 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:24,000 are for when there are limitations that 849 00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:25,839 are way beyond my expectations 850 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,839 cuz I don't know what they're going to 851 00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:29,520 do. 852 00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:32,520 And you don't know what they're going to 853 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,520 do. 854 00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:36,628 » You're right. 855 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,000 » You're right. If I had a plan 856 00:40:36,628 --> 00:40:41,200 [clears throat] 857 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:44,240 and they give me the elevations and the 858 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,839 heights that they was going to do it, 859 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:48,160 then I would look at it a little 860 00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:51,359 different. 861 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:55,200 But when you just automatically change 862 00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:58,560 it from R2 to R4, that opens it wide 863 00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:02,400 open to whatever they want to do 864 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:05,680 according to R4 regulations. 865 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:08,240 And I don't like the R4 regulations 866 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,920 right next to me. 867 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:13,440 That is my complaint. 868 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:15,359 » Yeah, I understand. Yeah, I 869 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,480 » And there is other property in town. 870 00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:20,560 Yes, I know things have done over years. 871 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,960 » I served on the city council for 20 872 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:26,240 years before I come to this town and 873 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:29,800 some of the things I see go on here 874 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,800 are very disturbing. 875 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,520 » Thank you for your input. Mhm. 876 00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:38,720 » I didn't mean to open it back up to 877 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:41,920 public hearing, but I'm trying to come 878 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:44,160 up with something a solution that we can 879 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,000 » Yeah, I'll I'll entertain additional 880 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:49,200 discussion here. Go ahead. 881 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,960 » I agree with Larry somewhat that 882 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,359 we don't know what the future is going 883 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,680 to bring. I mean, and once we sign the 884 00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:58,960 papers allowing it to come in, we can't 885 00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:01,920 stop it. I do I could live with that 886 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,520 being a parking lot down there and taken 887 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,440 care of like you say with the buffer 888 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:11,200 strip or something and the other units 889 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:13,599 further up over the hill. Uh I could I 890 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,680 could live with that. But Larry is right 891 00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:18,079 up on top of the hill there. He's he's 892 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:21,520 going to take the brunt of it of them 893 00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:22,880 where mine is just facing east. But I 894 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,200 could live with the parking lot out 895 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:28,240 there. 896 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:31,119 » All right. Thank you. 897 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:35,200 Within our commission discussion, 898 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:37,599 uh Kate, I know you had a public comment 899 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:41,440 um on the screen before. Could you put 900 00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:45,359 that back up for us? So, we did receive 901 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:46,160 uh a letter I guess that you did, Paige. 902 00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:47,200 Okay. 903 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,920 » In support of 904 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,920 » In supportive. Yeah. 905 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,040 » No, we didn't. We just emailed it out. 906 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,839 We didn't attach it to the agenda. Oh, I 907 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,839 thought it was a 908 00:42:55,839 --> 00:43:00,880 » No, that's just the application. 909 00:42:57,839 --> 00:43:03,200 » Oh, okay. It was small. Sorry. 910 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,520 » Anyway, there was a a letter received in 911 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:09,440 support uh from a homeowner to the south 912 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,560 of the road a little bit, right? 913 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,560 » Yes. 914 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,560 » Okay. 915 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:19,119 Well, I you know, I understand the 916 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,880 concerns, but I also know 917 00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:23,760 Barlas is in a position where they don't 918 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:27,119 want to start spending money on detailed 919 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:30,560 plans until they know that they've got a 920 00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:33,200 target that they can hit um or you know 921 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:36,480 what they're at. um to ask them to bring 922 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:39,599 a to spend a lot of money on a on a plan 923 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,839 and not have a um an idea that the 924 00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:44,800 zoning is going to be approved is pretty 925 00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:48,040 tough thing to ask. So, 926 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,040 I don't 927 00:43:54,319 --> 00:43:58,160 Well, I don't see any else showing up, 928 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,480 but I'll I'll move that the Planning and 929 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,800 Zoning Commission recommend approval of 930 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,680 this to an R4 931 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:09,280 with the condition that special 932 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:13,200 attention be made in site plan review 933 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:16,599 related to a buffer along the West 934 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,599 property line. 935 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:29,599 » We have a motion to the commission. Do 936 00:44:27,359 --> 00:44:31,920 we have a second? 937 00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:34,920 » I'll second that. 938 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,920 » Okay. 939 00:44:35,359 --> 00:44:40,240 All right. We have a motion that's been 940 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,440 moved and seconded. All in favor say I. 941 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:43,200 So there 942 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,440 » The only thing I would say is that I 943 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,880 think we need you need to I don't know 944 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,200 where the vote's going to come, but I 945 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:52,560 think Paula, you guys need to get 946 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:54,400 together with these folks and and and 947 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,839 work with them and putting a a plan 948 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,359 together so they have a good 949 00:44:55,839 --> 00:45:00,240 understanding 950 00:44:57,359 --> 00:45:05,040 uh and uh would feel comfortable with 951 00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:08,560 that. I think with what John added is to 952 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:10,720 that makes a big difference there. And 953 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:14,319 it and I don't know, can you bring it 954 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:18,240 back to us to make sure that it's 955 00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:22,160 um before the city 956 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:25,839 um uh fathers uh or not fathers, but the 957 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:28,640 city staff approves anything that uh you 958 00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:30,560 bring it to us first? 959 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,960 » That's not in the not in the ordinance, 960 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,400 but 961 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,960 » I know it isn't in the ordinance, but 962 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,960 can we do that? 963 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,440 I mean, you guys could see it, but I 964 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,839 don't think you could do anything about 965 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,480 it. 966 00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:47,480 » Well, you pass it, but I think it, you 967 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,480 know, 968 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,599 » Trying to think if we've done it. 969 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:57,359 » Would a modification to the motion make 970 00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:59,599 a difference that if you put something 971 00:45:57,359 --> 00:46:00,319 in that that it comes back to the 972 00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:02,480 commission? 973 00:46:00,319 --> 00:46:03,119 » I don't see how. 974 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,119 Well, 975 00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:08,160 » We the ordinance says it's admin the 976 00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:09,599 site plan is administratively approved 977 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,599 » By the building official and planning 978 00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:14,160 and zoning administrator. We can't 979 00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:15,599 change the ordinance on our own motion. 980 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,960 » It would come here if 981 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:19,359 » We try 982 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,599 » If they didn't like my they could appeal 983 00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:22,319 my decision to you on the site plan 984 00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:23,839 review. 985 00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:27,200 » Oh, 986 00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:31,599 okay. Yeah, 987 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:34,560 » We obviously would be happy to work with 988 00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:37,839 that 989 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:39,839 » Understand what we're proposing to do. 990 00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:42,640 And I think Paige actually hit upon the 991 00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:46,319 solution is that 992 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:47,839 if what they propose if if I mean we can 993 00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:52,000 ask to be presented to the property 994 00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:54,160 owners and if they don't like it 995 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:57,200 you can turn it down and then it can be 996 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:59,599 appealed and then we would see it. 997 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,640 Yeah, that's right. 998 00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:05,599 Cuz we had that situation out there on 999 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:09,040 the east uh on the south side of three 1000 00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:12,480 there cuz the first time around it it 1001 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:15,920 didn't meet with what the developer 1002 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:19,119 of course that was a development. 1003 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:22,000 » Oh, it's right there behind 1004 00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:24,480 it's across the street from 1005 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:27,359 uh one of the old Schneiders. And then 1006 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:30,240 there's like a commercial property and 1007 00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:32,640 then there's BMS there with trees on it. 1008 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:34,800 And then they we had to go back and 1009 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,440 forth on that one hands. 1010 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,200 » No, 1011 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,880 » That would be one hand addition. Yeah. 1012 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,680 Yeah. 1013 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,599 » Okay. 1014 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:44,880 » So we know what the what can happen. So 1015 00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:47,839 if they're not they can appeal comes 1016 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,599 back to us, right? 1017 00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:51,119 » Okay. 1018 00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:52,720 I didn't mean to stop, but I want to 1019 00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:55,359 have something that 1020 00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:56,400 » I want to have be nice to people having 1021 00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:58,720 that 1022 00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:03,839 » It works well. They've been there longer 1023 00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:05,920 than what Barnes has been. So, 1024 00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:07,680 » All right, I want to resume. So, we have 1025 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,480 a motion that's been moved and seconded. 1026 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:12,000 » Yep. 1027 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:14,720 » Any other further discussion? 1028 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,599 » All right. I would ask all in favor say 1029 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:16,160 I. 1030 00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:19,520 » I. 1031 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:22,520 » I. hearing. None opposed. That motion 1032 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,520 passes. 1033 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:31,760 Next item on our agenda is item F, which 1034 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:33,440 deals with staff updates. Paige, I see 1035 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,440 what you've listed. [laughter] 1036 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,000 » Yeah, I just put that on there as a 1037 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:42,160 reminder that our update to city council 1038 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:45,359 is on September 28th, um the 4th Monday 1039 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,960 of this month. And Dave, are you 1040 00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:49,680 planning on putting something together 1041 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,559 and do you want to send it out to us for 1042 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:55,599 feedback? 1043 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:58,000 » I do and I am. Uh so I will commit to a 1044 00:48:55,599 --> 00:49:01,359 week, week and a half from today to have 1045 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:03,520 something put together um for review and 1046 00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:05,359 input from the commission here. And 1047 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,800 you're certainly welcome to join me on 1048 00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:07,119 the 28th if you'd like. 1049 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,960 » Yes. 1050 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:10,480 » And we'll go over our update. 1051 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,319 » It's on my calendar. 1052 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:16,800 » Yeah. Perfect. 1053 00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:17,440 Um, so yeah, that's the plan. 1054 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,559 » Anything else? 1055 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,680 » That's all I had. 1056 00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:23,920 » All right, commission updates and G in 1057 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,480 our agenda. Kind of feel like we just 1058 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,800 covered some of that together with the 1059 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,800 staff updates. Anybody else have 1060 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,800 anything? 1061 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,800 Okay, hearing none, we're moving to item 1062 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,400 H 1063 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:42,839 move we adjourn. 1064 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,839 » We are so adjourned. Thank you.