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acknowledges that the land on

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which we gather and that is

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currently known as the city of

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West Hollywood is the occupied,

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unseeded, seized territory of

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the Gabriella Tova and the

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Gabrielinoquih people, uh,

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to order. And the Pledge of

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Allegiance. We

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ll leave this in the pledge.

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I. The United States of America

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and to the republic for which

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it stands. And Oh City clerk,

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MAY we please get a roll call

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of this fabulous joint study

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session of the planning

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commission and city council.

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Yes, Mary, thank you. Mayor

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Byers. PRESIDENT. Vice Mayor

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Heilman. Here Councilmember

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Erickson, Council member Hang.

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Councilmember Meister, uh,

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planning commission Chair

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Lombardi Planning Commission

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Vice Chair David Gregoire.

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Commissioner Hoop and Garner,

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Commissioner Solomon, here we

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have all members of the city

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council, noting the absence of

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Rosilio Carbajaro. I will note

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for the record that Roggerio is

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listening to the meeting via

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Zoom, however, he will not be

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participating. Thank you.

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approval of the agenda, I will

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public comment period. All

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public comment will be about

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the one item on the agenda, so

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we will take that as part of

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the agenda item later in the

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meeting. Um, are there any

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other notes that we need to

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make for the approval of the

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agenda? No, Mayor. We

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set. Um, so tonight we have

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before us a study session on

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development agreements and

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public benefits policy. We

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planning commission, sort of an

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odd but exciting format for us

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gonna turn it over to staff for

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what will be. First a

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presentation, then a set of

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questions before we move into

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our public comment and then

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comments and deliberation, um,

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this is really a matter of

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education for this group of

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people, uh, getting us all on

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the same page. We all have

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unique roles we play between

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the public, the planning

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commission, city council, and

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staff. And tonight is about us

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creating a shared understanding

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of what that is, so I

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appreciate staff

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presentation that you

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together towards that end. Um,

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comments and deliberation, not

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necessarily direction, we

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not creating new polonight.

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clear to folks. Uh, this is

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really just a matter of us

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getting all on the same page,

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staff, uh, to begin the

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presentation. Thank you. Good

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evening. Can you everybody hear

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me ok? Is this on? Ok, great.

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the council, chair, vice chair,

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and members of the planning

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commission, um, we, I

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assistant director of.

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Community development. I

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with David Wilson, our city

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manager, Lauren Langer, City

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attorney, Nick Marisic,

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property development manager.

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the time tonight to come

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together this evening for a

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conversation about some of the

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expectations around development

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agreements, public benefits and

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for billboards as well as major

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projects. Uh, over the last few

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years, the city council has

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been asked, oh, sorry, has been

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asked to make decisions on a

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number of billboard or

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development projects that have

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had development agreements and

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public benefit components and

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in some of those projects

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specific hearings, we

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some questions regarding, um,

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are negotiated, what is the

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role of each of these bodies,

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ve done the best we can

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to answer, but it

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s tricky to

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address those topics broadly

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and take direction for the

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future in a project-specific

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meeting. And so that

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wanted to have this meeting

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tonight with no specific

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project on the table so we can

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have these dig into these

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topics a little bit more, um,

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and receive feedback on how we

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might make the process better.

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an agenda here, um, we

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presentation and then we

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take public comment and then we

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the legal framework for

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development agreement and the

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roles of each of the bodies in

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that process. We

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through the sunset, arts and

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advertising program giving a

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general overview of how the

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development agreements are

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negotiated there and how we get

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got to the point where we take

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them to commission and to

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council. We

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the public benefits related to

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development projects. Separate

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from billboards. We

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take public comment like I said,

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group, um, about first about

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the Billboard projects then

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about development agreements

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for major projects and our goal

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is to get some direction on

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what the city council is

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expecting from the planning

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commission, from staff, and

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from these projects, um, moving

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forward and how each body is

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expecting to engage on these

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projects, and now I will kick

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it over to Lauren Laer to

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address the next few slides.

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evening, everybody. Um, just to

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on these projects has is

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operating off the same

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information. Staff, commission,

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counsel, and the public. These

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us a long time just to get

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through the explanation of all

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the different parts to the

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whole. So we really are glad

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everybody

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the public too to, so this can

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be educational and we can all

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be operating off of the same

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information. Um As the mayor

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mentioned, a study session is

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really just a special meeting

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of the city council, and we

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actually have an extra body

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with us here tonight, the

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planning commission. And so we

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are here to focus on this one

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particular topic. I know there

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was some concerns about why

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t a general public

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comment session on the agenda,

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with two different bodies to

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talk about one topic tonight,

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opportunities for public

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comment later on. And then as

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Jennifer mentioned, there

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really is no action needed

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tonight. Study sessions are for

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discussion, and there

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action required. If there

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some consensus or some

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direction or requests for more

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information at a later date

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that can come at a later time.

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later time, but we really want

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to use this opportunity while

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everybody

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s in the room to

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share information, share

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feedback, like Jennifer said,

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we have some questions at the

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end that can help guide the

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discussion. So I

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m going to dig

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basics of development

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agreements so that it

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s a

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little boring, but just so

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everybody understands the

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framework of what they are

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because they

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re, they

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re a

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unique thing that we do.

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They

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re different from regular

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development permits and

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conditional use permits. There

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are a legislative act and so

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development agreement it

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s a,

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it

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s a legally binding contract

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between a property developer

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and a local government entity

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that specifies the terms and

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conditions for a development

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project on a particular parcel

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of land, including the

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permitted uses, density. Design

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standards required public

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benefits in exchange for

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certain approvals and

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flexibility in zoning

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regulations. The purpose of

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having a development agreement

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is to provide certainty and

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stability to developers by

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outlining the project

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parameters while allowing local

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governments to ensure that the

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development aligns with

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community goals and receives

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necessary public amenities and

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benefits. So it

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s really about

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that certainty before um before

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a developer engages in a long

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term project to know that the

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laws aren

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t going to change,

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that if they start now, they

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re

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going to be able to complete it

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all the way through to the end.

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Next slide. And so the basis of

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development agreements is

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really about the vested rights,

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the rights that are granted

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through this process. So a

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vested right is a legal right

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to continue development under

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the existing approvals despite

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future changes in the law. Um,

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the, the reason that the said,

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again, this comes from state

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law. The reason that the

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legislature created development

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agreements is because if you

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don

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t have vesting on a project,

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if there

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s not certainty that

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the project can be built

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throughout the entire lifetime

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of construction. It can defer

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it can deter large projects

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because there

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s just

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uncertainty. Who

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s going to

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start a project if they think 5

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years down the road the rules

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are going to change in the

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middle, and they

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re not going

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to know they can finish. So

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it

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s really about the certainty

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and it locks in the regulations

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at the time. Of the agreement.

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So the statutes where we look

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to that govern development

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agreements are in the

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government code 65864 to

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865869.5, and that sets out the

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legal framework, including the

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required components and

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procedures for adoption, and

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those are enhanced in our local

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municipal code. Um, did you

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skip one? I think, yeah, so the

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key provisions of a da that are

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really set out in the statute

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or you have to have a duration.

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So the duration of the

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agreement and the deadline for

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completion and then the

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timeline is crucial for

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determining the term and

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helping cities anticipate

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project completion. I know we

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have a lot of conversations

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here about when are these

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projects going to get done and

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so one benefit of a project

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with a development agreement is

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you have a pretty certain

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timeline of when projects will

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be built. Uh, the permitted, I

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mentioned this already, the

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permitted uses on the land, the

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maximum allowable development

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density, intensity, height,

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size, and then if there

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s any

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uh dedications for public

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purposes. Slide. Other key

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provisions that are going to be

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included in the da are to, uh,

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decide which subsequent actions

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can be approved

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administratively to facilitate

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development while protecting

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city interests, uh, it sets out

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modification uh protocols. How

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are these developments modified

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over time because we over the

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course of a long project,

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you

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re also going to see the

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need for some flexibility and

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some changes as um projects

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move from design to

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construction documents to

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actually being on the ground

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building. There

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s, there

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s

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always some. You know,

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modification that needs to be

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made, and so you set out in

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advance what that

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s going to

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look like so everybody knows

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survivability of the terms,

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phasing of the project,

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assignment procedures. What if

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this entity that

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s building now

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gets acquired by another

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company down the road. So, so

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you have to lay out all those

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procedures, and then of course

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the public benefits, the

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negotiated advantages, DAs

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allow cities to secure

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community benefits that might

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not be feasible through

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standard approvals and so we

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want to detail the nature,

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scope, and time. Of benefits to

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ensure that they align with all

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of the phases of development.

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So there are 2 public hearings

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that are required for a

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development agreement. The

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first is that planning

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commission. And this is

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language from the municipal

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code. Upon finding the

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application complete, directors

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shall schedule public hearing.

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Well, there

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s a lot that

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happens in between that time

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and that

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s what we

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re going to

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talk to you about tonight and

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explain that process. So it

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s,

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it

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s not that quick, but that

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s

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what the code says. And then

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the planning commission will

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adopt a resolution with a

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recommendation to the city

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council to approve

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conditionally approve or deny

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the application. City Council

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gets the recommendation,

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schedules the public hearing,

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and the council MAY approve,

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conditionally approve or deny

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the application. And if we

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talked about this recently, if

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significant modifications are

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proposed by the council that

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haven

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t been considered by the

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planning commission before.

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Those modifications need to be

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referred back to the planning

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commission for review. Um, the

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development agreement is a

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legislative act, which means

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it

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s adopted by ordinance and

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in West Hollywood we have an

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extra layer to that, which is

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we require a zone map amendment

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with every development

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agreement so that the parcel

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where the development sits is

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rezoned with an overlay for the

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development agreement overlay

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zone. And that means our zoning

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map will show every parcel that

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has a development agreement on

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it, and there

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s a lot of

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reasons and benefit for that,

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but, but one of the most

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notable uh points is that you

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can look at the zoning map and

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you should be able to tell

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which parcels have these

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development agreements because

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they

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re timing their standards

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might be a little bit different

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than other things that you

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ve

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seen in the zone. I

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ll turn it

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back to Jennifer. Thank you. So

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from a developer

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s viewpoint,

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what, what is the motivation to

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do this? Why would somebody

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come in and want to have a

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development agreement. Well, uh,

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similar to what Lauren was

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saying, the developers seek

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development agreements for a

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number of reasons. First and

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foremost, it gives them that

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certainty that she was

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explaining. It gives them

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certainty about timing and

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things like fees, development

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standards and processes can be

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locked for the period of time

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in the term of the da. Um, and

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finally, they also, what we see

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as a driving factor in most of

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the DAs we have, uh, especially

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for major projects, is

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negotiated regulatory

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flexibility. And that

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s again

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part of, part of the. What goes

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into the development agreement

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here in West Hollywood and in

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other words, that

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s often

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changes to things like height

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density land uses and things

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like that. Um, so what

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s in it

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for the city from the city

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s

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viewpoint, what do we get out

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of this? We get the same

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flexibility that allows

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developers to ask for things

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above and beyond the zoning

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also gives the city the

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opportunity to focus on

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community priorities because

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the agreement is completely

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discretionary. The city has

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more latitude to help define

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the project and to request or

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require project benefits and

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contributions that wouldn

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t be

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allowed under normal, um, land

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use laws. Typically, there has

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to be some sort of reason why

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we

594
00:14:37,183 --> 00:14:38,500
re asking for a certain fees

595
00:14:38,500 --> 00:14:39,719
or certain community benefits

596
00:14:39,719 --> 00:14:41,187
that are related to the project

597
00:14:41,187 --> 00:14:43,230
itself, um, in a development

598
00:14:43,230 --> 00:14:44,240
agreement we have a lot more

599
00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,424
flexibility there. This can,

600
00:14:46,626 --> 00:14:47,994
this. This can take thank you.

601
00:14:47,994 --> 00:14:49,996
This can take the shape of

602
00:14:49,996 --> 00:14:51,531
things like more housing, more

603
00:14:51,531 --> 00:14:52,899
parking, enhanced public

604
00:14:52,899 --> 00:14:54,899
improvements, incentives for

605
00:14:55,735 --> 00:14:57,704
valued land uses that promote

606
00:14:57,704 --> 00:14:59,500
economic and social development

607
00:14:59,500 --> 00:15:01,508
and other public benefits, um.

608
00:15:01,508 --> 00:15:03,410
Like, like we see on all of our

609
00:15:03,410 --> 00:15:04,440
projects, so I will turn it

610
00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,644
back to Lauren for the next

611
00:15:11,985 --> 00:15:13,653
slide. Ok. So the findings that

612
00:15:13,653 --> 00:15:14,888
are required when a development

613
00:15:14,888 --> 00:15:17,288
agreement is approved are

614
00:15:17,356 --> 00:15:18,893
listed in the municipal code.

615
00:15:18,893 --> 00:15:20,260
And generally speaking, they

616
00:15:20,260 --> 00:15:21,261
re

617
00:15:21,261 --> 00:15:22,195
looking at whether the

618
00:15:22,195 --> 00:15:23,597
development as a whole and the

619
00:15:23,597 --> 00:15:25,165
agreement is in the best

620
00:15:25,165 --> 00:15:26,133
interests of the city,

621
00:15:26,133 --> 00:15:27,801
consistent with the general

622
00:15:27,801 --> 00:15:29,503
plan, specific plan and zoning

623
00:15:29,503 --> 00:15:29,664
ordinance, and that it doesn

624
00:15:29,664 --> 00:15:30,504
t

625
00:15:30,504 --> 00:15:32,472
adversely affect people working

626
00:15:32,472 --> 00:15:33,607
or residing in the area or

627
00:15:33,607 --> 00:15:35,376
jeopardize the health, safety,

628
00:15:35,376 --> 00:15:35,534
or general welfare. Um, what

629
00:15:35,534 --> 00:15:37,244
s

630
00:15:37,244 --> 00:15:38,913
going to be, I think one of the

631
00:15:38,913 --> 00:15:41,148
themes we talk about tonight is

632
00:15:41,148 --> 00:15:41,949
the general plan and the

633
00:15:41,949 --> 00:15:42,649
specific plan and consistency

634
00:15:42,649 --> 00:15:43,500
with those things. It

635
00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:44,985
s a big

636
00:15:44,985 --> 00:15:47,540
part of what is being looked at

637
00:15:47,540 --> 00:15:49,454
with these big complicated

638
00:15:51,992 --> 00:15:54,280
projects, um. The theme that

639
00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:55,863
the city council really gives

640
00:15:55,863 --> 00:15:56,630
their their broad land use

641
00:15:56,630 --> 00:15:57,765
direction through these

642
00:15:57,765 --> 00:16:00,165
planning documents. The general

643
00:16:00,801 --> 00:16:01,702
plan, the sunset specific plan,

644
00:16:01,702 --> 00:16:03,637
other specific plans and on

645
00:16:03,637 --> 00:16:05,339
what they want to see and the

646
00:16:05,339 --> 00:16:06,106
central role for the planning

647
00:16:06,106 --> 00:16:06,707
commission in implementing that

648
00:16:06,707 --> 00:16:07,307
plan because that

649
00:16:07,307 --> 00:16:07,674
s the guiding

650
00:16:07,674 --> 00:16:08,108
document. That

651
00:16:08,108 --> 00:16:09,409
s what the

652
00:16:09,409 --> 00:16:09,609
commission looks at when

653
00:16:09,609 --> 00:16:11,609
they

654
00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,982
re making decisions. Uh,

655
00:16:14,982 --> 00:16:15,983
next slide please. Um,

656
00:16:15,983 --> 00:16:16,684
generally speaking, the role of

657
00:16:16,684 --> 00:16:17,852
the planning commission comes

658
00:16:17,852 --> 00:16:19,386
from the planning and zoning

659
00:16:19,386 --> 00:16:21,388
law and the government code, um,

660
00:16:21,388 --> 00:16:22,256
and it says that planning

661
00:16:22,256 --> 00:16:24,258
commissions provide insight and

662
00:16:24,258 --> 00:16:25,125
allow councils to make more

663
00:16:25,125 --> 00:16:26,793
fully informed decisions on

664
00:16:26,793 --> 00:16:28,963
land use and other planning

665
00:16:28,963 --> 00:16:29,964
issues. And then the city in

666
00:16:29,964 --> 00:16:30,932
its ordinances assigns the

667
00:16:30,932 --> 00:16:32,330
functions to the planning

668
00:16:32,330 --> 00:16:33,334
commission is deemed

669
00:16:33,334 --> 00:16:34,802
appropriate and necessary. So

670
00:16:34,802 --> 00:16:36,837
land use power sits with the

671
00:16:36,837 --> 00:16:37,405
elected body, the city council,

672
00:16:37,405 --> 00:16:39,140
and then it

673
00:16:39,140 --> 00:16:40,674
s delegated down to

674
00:16:40,674 --> 00:16:41,409
the planning commission and

675
00:16:41,409 --> 00:16:42,776
generally planning commissions

676
00:16:42,776 --> 00:16:43,777
help city councils make the

677
00:16:43,777 --> 00:16:46,777
best land use decisions that

678
00:16:47,749 --> 00:16:48,883
they can. Um, the Institute for

679
00:16:48,883 --> 00:16:49,284
Local Government is, it

680
00:16:49,284 --> 00:16:50,285
s an

681
00:16:50,285 --> 00:16:51,853
organization that promotes good

682
00:16:51,853 --> 00:16:54,589
government at the local level,

683
00:16:54,589 --> 00:16:55,490
and they had a really good

684
00:16:55,490 --> 00:16:55,790
explanation of planning

685
00:16:55,790 --> 00:16:57,580
commission

686
00:16:57,580 --> 00:16:57,825
s roles. And they

687
00:16:57,825 --> 00:16:58,959
say that planning commissions

688
00:16:58,959 --> 00:17:01,328
play a central role in the

689
00:17:01,328 --> 00:17:02,763
planning process in 3 ways. One,

690
00:17:02,763 --> 00:17:04,650
acting as an, as an advisory

691
00:17:04,650 --> 00:17:06,167
board to the main governing

692
00:17:06,167 --> 00:17:08,303
body here, the city council on

693
00:17:08,303 --> 00:17:09,137
all planning and development

694
00:17:09,137 --> 00:17:09,737
issues. 2, here

695
00:17:09,737 --> 00:17:11,473
s the theme

696
00:17:11,473 --> 00:17:13,700
again, assures that the general

697
00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:13,508
plan is implemented by

698
00:17:13,508 --> 00:17:14,709
reviewing development

699
00:17:14,709 --> 00:17:16,310
applications on a case by case

700
00:17:16,310 --> 00:17:17,779
basis, just as you build a

701
00:17:17,779 --> 00:17:18,779
building one brick at a time,

702
00:17:18,779 --> 00:17:20,715
you implement a community one

703
00:17:20,715 --> 00:17:23,510
vision at a time or one project

704
00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:24,986
at a time and then 3 functions

705
00:17:24,986 --> 00:17:27,550
as the decision making body for

706
00:17:27,550 --> 00:17:28,390
many approvals, but not all. So

707
00:17:28,390 --> 00:17:30,492
when West Hollywood development

708
00:17:30,492 --> 00:17:32,293
permits, variances, CUPs, those

709
00:17:32,293 --> 00:17:33,461
are all decisions that are made

710
00:17:33,461 --> 00:17:34,762
by the city council, um, and

711
00:17:34,762 --> 00:17:37,762
those decisions can be appealed

712
00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:39,601
up to the city council, who can

713
00:17:39,601 --> 00:17:41,470
then uphold overturn, modify,

714
00:17:41,470 --> 00:17:42,704
or send it back, and other

715
00:17:42,704 --> 00:17:44,239
matters, mostly legislative

716
00:17:44,239 --> 00:17:45,140
matters, uh, such as amendments

717
00:17:45,140 --> 00:17:46,842
to the general plan, the zoning

718
00:17:46,842 --> 00:17:48,310
ordinance. And of course

719
00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:48,876
development agreements, the

720
00:17:48,876 --> 00:17:50,145
planning commission makes

721
00:17:50,145 --> 00:17:52,545
recommendations to the city

722
00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,448
council, not final decisions.

723
00:17:59,822 --> 00:18:01,756
Next time. Thank you. So that

724
00:18:01,756 --> 00:18:02,324
was the background super quick

725
00:18:02,324 --> 00:18:02,924
background on development

726
00:18:02,924 --> 00:18:04,659
agreements and the framework

727
00:18:04,659 --> 00:18:04,826
and the findings. And so now

728
00:18:04,826 --> 00:18:06,826
we

729
00:18:07,562 --> 00:18:08,263
re gonna dive into a more

730
00:18:08,263 --> 00:18:09,965
specifically the sunset

731
00:18:09,965 --> 00:18:11,900
specific plan, arts and

732
00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:13,369
advertising program and then

733
00:18:13,369 --> 00:18:14,370
major development projects. So

734
00:18:14,370 --> 00:18:14,703
I think we

735
00:18:14,703 --> 00:18:15,971
re all basically

736
00:18:15,971 --> 00:18:16,805
familiar with how the billboard

737
00:18:16,805 --> 00:18:18,440
policy worked up to this point,

738
00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,308
but I will give a very brief

739
00:18:19,308 --> 00:18:19,462
recap because I know there

740
00:18:19,462 --> 00:18:21,210
s a

741
00:18:21,210 --> 00:18:21,510
lot of people in this room that

742
00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:21,743
maybe don

743
00:18:21,743 --> 00:18:22,578
t don

744
00:18:22,578 --> 00:18:24,450
t know the

745
00:18:24,450 --> 00:18:26,114
whole full history. Um, there

746
00:18:26,114 --> 00:18:26,882
was a design excellent

747
00:18:26,882 --> 00:18:29,882
screening process that was set

748
00:18:30,319 --> 00:18:31,420
out in the Sunset Boulevard

749
00:18:31,420 --> 00:18:33,820
off-site signage policy, uh,

750
00:18:33,856 --> 00:18:36,592
there was a first round that

751
00:18:36,592 --> 00:18:37,759
was uh awarded design

752
00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:39,128
Excellence Awards in 2020 with

753
00:18:39,128 --> 00:18:41,930
the two subsequent rounds, one

754
00:18:41,930 --> 00:18:43,332
in 2021, which is called 1.5

755
00:18:43,332 --> 00:18:46,332
and 1 in 22, which is called

756
00:18:46,735 --> 00:18:47,336
Round 2. The projects were

757
00:18:47,336 --> 00:18:48,137
granted design excellence

758
00:18:48,137 --> 00:18:50,720
awards, and that means they

759
00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:51,274
were allowed to apply for

760
00:18:51,274 --> 00:18:51,428
entitlements. Um, that wasn

761
00:18:51,428 --> 00:18:52,541
t

762
00:18:52,541 --> 00:18:53,943
an approval for an entitlement,

763
00:18:53,943 --> 00:18:55,411
so they were allowed to go

764
00:18:55,411 --> 00:18:57,546
through the approval process by

765
00:18:57,546 --> 00:18:58,314
applying for a development

766
00:18:58,314 --> 00:18:59,748
agreement negotiating design

767
00:18:59,748 --> 00:19:00,749
and public benefits and going

768
00:19:00,749 --> 00:19:01,717
through a public hearings

769
00:19:01,717 --> 00:19:02,384
process before the planning

770
00:19:02,384 --> 00:19:05,384
commission and the city council.

771
00:19:05,421 --> 00:19:06,823
There were 2 main types of

772
00:19:06,823 --> 00:19:08,724
billboards that we talk about.

773
00:19:08,724 --> 00:19:11,127
One is the traditional or

774
00:19:11,127 --> 00:19:11,294
static, which is just the, but

775
00:19:11,294 --> 00:19:13,294
you

776
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:16,465
d imagine the printed vinyl

777
00:19:16,465 --> 00:19:17,967
posted on a frame uplet or

778
00:19:17,967 --> 00:19:19,340
downlet with standard lights.

779
00:19:19,340 --> 00:19:20,869
The second and the one we talk

780
00:19:20,869 --> 00:19:22,338
about the most when we see

781
00:19:22,338 --> 00:19:24,240
development agreements for

782
00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,208
billboard projects are the full

783
00:19:25,208 --> 00:19:26,475
motion animated boards which

784
00:19:26,475 --> 00:19:28,845
have also been called digital

785
00:19:28,845 --> 00:19:30,780
boards in the past. Um, and

786
00:19:30,780 --> 00:19:32,715
these, so the arts component

787
00:19:32,715 --> 00:19:35,715
for these full motion digital

788
00:19:36,252 --> 00:19:36,852
boards is part of the sunset

789
00:19:36,852 --> 00:19:38,852
Boulevard offsite signage

790
00:19:40,220 --> 00:19:42,580
program, and that is 17.5% of

791
00:19:42,580 --> 00:19:44,394
the content where the, the

792
00:19:44,394 --> 00:19:45,795
requirement for arts in the

793
00:19:45,795 --> 00:19:46,763
traditional static is 1% of the

794
00:19:46,763 --> 00:19:48,970
valuation of the project

795
00:19:48,970 --> 00:19:49,650
similar to any development

796
00:19:49,650 --> 00:19:51,400
project, uh, subject to the

797
00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,202
urban arts program. In addition

798
00:19:53,202 --> 00:19:53,355
for these projects, we

799
00:19:53,355 --> 00:19:54,604
re

800
00:19:54,604 --> 00:19:55,972
negotiating site improvements,

801
00:19:55,972 --> 00:19:56,539
public realm enhancements, and

802
00:19:56,539 --> 00:19:57,540
for alternative standards

803
00:19:57,540 --> 00:19:58,275
projects, we

804
00:19:58,275 --> 00:19:59,509
re looking at

805
00:19:59,509 --> 00:20:01,509
extraordinary public benefit.

806
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,550
Um, We also have a provision in

807
00:20:07,550 --> 00:20:08,985
the in the policy for historic

808
00:20:08,985 --> 00:20:10,353
preservation for cultural

809
00:20:10,353 --> 00:20:11,320
resources and that historic

810
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:12,355
preservation or the

811
00:20:12,355 --> 00:20:13,823
rehabilitation of those sites

812
00:20:13,823 --> 00:20:15,692
can be considered part of the

813
00:20:15,692 --> 00:20:16,793
public realm enhancements or

814
00:20:16,793 --> 00:20:18,228
the extraordinary benefit, um,

815
00:20:18,228 --> 00:20:18,629
but the bulk of the public

816
00:20:18,629 --> 00:20:19,563
benefit that we

817
00:20:19,563 --> 00:20:21,563
re seeing in

818
00:20:22,465 --> 00:20:24,000
these projects is coming from

819
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:24,668
the revenue share and Brian

820
00:20:24,668 --> 00:20:25,969
League property development Man

821
00:20:25,969 --> 00:20:30,169
is here to walk us through how

822
00:20:30,406 --> 00:20:32,175
that works. Thank you, Jennifer,

823
00:20:32,175 --> 00:20:35,379
um, I mean, the, the question

824
00:20:35,379 --> 00:20:37,280
we always get is, How does the

825
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,216
city calculate revenue for a

826
00:20:39,216 --> 00:20:42,216
30-year agreement and um You

827
00:20:42,586 --> 00:20:43,620
know, to do that, what we, we,

828
00:20:43,620 --> 00:20:43,987
we engage a consultant who

829
00:20:43,987 --> 00:20:45,121
s an

830
00:20:45,121 --> 00:20:45,455
expert in this field. Oh, I

831
00:20:45,455 --> 00:20:46,990
m

832
00:20:46,990 --> 00:20:47,157
sorry, we engage a consultant

833
00:20:47,157 --> 00:20:49,157
who

834
00:20:49,158 --> 00:20:50,261
s an expert in this field.

835
00:20:50,261 --> 00:20:51,629
And they come up with a

836
00:20:51,629 --> 00:20:52,162
valuation. It

837
00:20:52,162 --> 00:20:54,162
s an estimated

838
00:20:54,398 --> 00:20:55,399
evaluation for the first year

839
00:20:55,399 --> 00:20:55,866
of that billboard and it

840
00:20:55,866 --> 00:20:57,334
s

841
00:20:57,334 --> 00:20:59,736
based on on three components,

842
00:20:59,736 --> 00:21:01,638
the first being reach and

843
00:21:01,638 --> 00:21:02,706
impressions. The second is cost

844
00:21:02,706 --> 00:21:03,106
per thousands and that that

845
00:21:03,106 --> 00:21:04,207
s

846
00:21:04,207 --> 00:21:05,542
how many eyeballs we

847
00:21:05,542 --> 00:21:07,542
ll see the,

848
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,415
the boards in in cars and um

849
00:21:11,415 --> 00:21:12,490
pedestrians and, and, you know,

850
00:21:12,490 --> 00:21:14,318
traffic and traffic patterns

851
00:21:14,318 --> 00:21:17,254
come into play on that. And the

852
00:21:17,254 --> 00:21:17,788
third is, is a lot more

853
00:21:17,788 --> 00:21:18,121
subjective. It

854
00:21:18,121 --> 00:21:20,121
s value driving

855
00:21:20,757 --> 00:21:21,792
pre premium. And this is

856
00:21:21,792 --> 00:21:24,792
related to these boards that

857
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:27,398
are um. Creative, full motion

858
00:21:27,398 --> 00:21:28,699
and, and the type of content

859
00:21:28,699 --> 00:21:30,200
they could show on some of

860
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,169
those full motion boards. We

861
00:21:32,169 --> 00:21:33,700
had a three dimensional board

862
00:21:33,700 --> 00:21:35,506
with a force perspective that

863
00:21:35,506 --> 00:21:37,541
will have a higher evaluation

864
00:21:37,541 --> 00:21:38,976
because it it captures more

865
00:21:38,976 --> 00:21:40,377
eyeballs, um, the other thing

866
00:21:40,377 --> 00:21:40,577
is these full motion boards,

867
00:21:40,577 --> 00:21:42,577
they

868
00:21:44,248 --> 00:21:45,316
re also able to um run

869
00:21:45,316 --> 00:21:47,118
static advertisements over the,

870
00:21:47,118 --> 00:21:48,619
over a 28 day campaign, and

871
00:21:48,619 --> 00:21:51,555
they could run multiple static.

872
00:21:51,555 --> 00:21:52,389
They could run up to 30

873
00:21:52,389 --> 00:21:53,891
different campaigns during that

874
00:21:53,891 --> 00:21:55,826
28 day period. Where a

875
00:21:55,826 --> 00:21:56,860
traditional board is running

876
00:21:56,860 --> 00:21:57,795
one campaign, so that

877
00:21:57,795 --> 00:21:59,263
s why we

878
00:21:59,263 --> 00:22:00,932
see that the main value in

879
00:22:00,932 --> 00:22:01,733
these full motion digital

880
00:22:01,733 --> 00:22:02,767
boards. They

881
00:22:02,767 --> 00:22:04,402
re not often

882
00:22:04,402 --> 00:22:04,562
running animation, but they

883
00:22:04,562 --> 00:22:06,562
re

884
00:22:07,710 --> 00:22:09,471
running multiple campaigns. And,

885
00:22:09,540 --> 00:22:10,541
and the third, um, some of

886
00:22:10,541 --> 00:22:10,841
these boards just because of

887
00:22:10,841 --> 00:22:12,443
where they

888
00:22:12,443 --> 00:22:13,744
re at on the strip,

889
00:22:13,744 --> 00:22:16,380
they command a premium just

890
00:22:16,380 --> 00:22:19,380
based on their location. Um,

891
00:22:22,530 --> 00:22:24,822
Next slide. Next thing, um, is

892
00:22:24,822 --> 00:22:24,989
the revenue share and um I mean,

893
00:22:24,989 --> 00:22:26,791
we

894
00:22:26,791 --> 00:22:28,326
re asked often, where do we

895
00:22:28,326 --> 00:22:30,161
get these percentages from, um,

896
00:22:30,161 --> 00:22:33,464
and how, how do we come up with

897
00:22:33,464 --> 00:22:36,234
this formula. Uh, to justify

898
00:22:36,234 --> 00:22:37,102
why what developer x is paying

899
00:22:37,102 --> 00:22:37,369
something and another

900
00:22:37,369 --> 00:22:37,769
developer

901
00:22:37,769 --> 00:22:39,504
s paying something

902
00:22:39,504 --> 00:22:40,505
else. And and all these

903
00:22:40,505 --> 00:22:40,872
projects are unique and they

904
00:22:40,872 --> 00:22:42,872
re

905
00:22:42,874 --> 00:22:44,342
all different. They all have

906
00:22:44,342 --> 00:22:46,742
different settings. They have

907
00:22:46,744 --> 00:22:48,613
different costs associated with

908
00:22:48,613 --> 00:22:50,214
the public realm enhancements

909
00:22:50,214 --> 00:22:51,248
or site improvements. And, and

910
00:22:51,248 --> 00:22:52,350
some of, you know, some of them

911
00:22:52,350 --> 00:22:54,953
would rather pay a little more

912
00:22:54,953 --> 00:22:57,389
upfront. I mean, so we, we, we

913
00:22:57,389 --> 00:22:58,240
have to be flexible with these

914
00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:58,456
operators or they won

915
00:22:58,456 --> 00:22:59,791
t be

916
00:22:59,791 --> 00:22:59,958
bringing a project forward, so

917
00:22:59,958 --> 00:23:00,859
we

918
00:23:00,859 --> 00:23:03,859
re always trying to achieve

919
00:23:04,496 --> 00:23:04,829
that balance. Uh, on What

920
00:23:04,829 --> 00:23:06,640
s

921
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,832
feasible and if we push too

922
00:23:07,832 --> 00:23:09,267
hard, you know, they might walk

923
00:23:09,267 --> 00:23:12,267
away. The second question is,

924
00:23:12,471 --> 00:23:15,240
um, We, we favor the approached

925
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,209
where we get a fixed revenue

926
00:23:17,209 --> 00:23:19,177
per year, um, and we get this

927
00:23:19,177 --> 00:23:20,780
and it escalates at a 3%

928
00:23:20,780 --> 00:23:23,678
escalation for the life of the

929
00:23:24,582 --> 00:23:25,784
board. And, and we feel this is

930
00:23:25,784 --> 00:23:26,951
a better a better agreement for

931
00:23:26,951 --> 00:23:27,953
the city because it provides

932
00:23:27,953 --> 00:23:29,455
certainty in the budgeting

933
00:23:29,455 --> 00:23:29,888
process. You know, we

934
00:23:29,888 --> 00:23:31,888
re able

935
00:23:32,424 --> 00:23:33,525
to to see that cash flow and

936
00:23:33,525 --> 00:23:34,259
capture it and budget over 30

937
00:23:34,259 --> 00:23:37,290
years of the life of the

938
00:23:37,290 --> 00:23:39,865
agreement. Um, the, the other

939
00:23:39,865 --> 00:23:41,666
approach would be an audit

940
00:23:41,666 --> 00:23:43,601
audited revenue share, um, You

941
00:23:43,601 --> 00:23:45,404
know, these billboard operators

942
00:23:45,404 --> 00:23:47,273
have multiple boards. They

943
00:23:47,273 --> 00:23:48,240
could move campaigns around.

944
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:48,741
And, and we

945
00:23:48,741 --> 00:23:49,775
re just not

946
00:23:49,775 --> 00:23:52,175
comfortable or confident that

947
00:23:52,644 --> 00:23:53,378
we would have a good good shot

948
00:23:53,378 --> 00:23:53,545
at auditing that revenue and

949
00:23:53,545 --> 00:23:55,514
it

950
00:23:55,514 --> 00:23:57,983
s, it would just be a lot

951
00:23:57,983 --> 00:24:00,786
more intensive, a lot more

952
00:24:00,786 --> 00:24:01,853
questions, so we have chosen a

953
00:24:01,853 --> 00:24:02,989
more conservative path which is

954
00:24:02,989 --> 00:24:05,491
just to provide the city some

955
00:24:05,491 --> 00:24:07,493
certainty. And it also avoids

956
00:24:07,493 --> 00:24:08,894
disruptions in the future, um,

957
00:24:08,894 --> 00:24:10,290
this is a broad program if, you

958
00:24:10,290 --> 00:24:10,863
know, there there

959
00:24:10,863 --> 00:24:12,764
s gonna be

960
00:24:12,764 --> 00:24:13,232
many more signs and if there

961
00:24:13,232 --> 00:24:14,199
s

962
00:24:14,199 --> 00:24:15,100
saturation, our revenue is

963
00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:18,700
guaranteed over the life of the

964
00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:22,341
agreement. Next slide, um. The

965
00:24:22,341 --> 00:24:23,543
Public realm enhancements, as

966
00:24:23,543 --> 00:24:24,777
Jennifer mentioned, they

967
00:24:24,777 --> 00:24:26,412
re all

968
00:24:26,412 --> 00:24:27,747
required um for each of these

969
00:24:27,747 --> 00:24:29,148
signs, you know, to qualify,

970
00:24:29,148 --> 00:24:29,982
they need a public development

971
00:24:29,982 --> 00:24:32,382
enhancement, a site improvement.

972
00:24:33,619 --> 00:24:34,954
And, you know, we go through

973
00:24:34,954 --> 00:24:37,356
that process in the public

974
00:24:37,356 --> 00:24:38,258
realm enhancement is often

975
00:24:38,258 --> 00:24:39,692
proposed with the initial

976
00:24:39,692 --> 00:24:41,761
design of the billboard, they

977
00:24:41,761 --> 00:24:43,663
were proposed during the Sign

978
00:24:43,663 --> 00:24:44,597
Excellence process. So staff is

979
00:24:44,597 --> 00:24:47,660
here to refine that public

980
00:24:47,660 --> 00:24:48,400
realm. Design, um, and we do

981
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,303
that in a number of ways and we,

982
00:24:51,303 --> 00:24:52,972
you know, we work with our, our,

983
00:24:52,972 --> 00:24:54,740
our city architect Udas, our

984
00:24:54,740 --> 00:24:56,242
designers, and at one point we

985
00:24:56,242 --> 00:24:56,401
feel comfortable enough, we

986
00:24:56,401 --> 00:24:58,144
ll

987
00:24:58,144 --> 00:24:59,545
bring that that billboard

988
00:24:59,545 --> 00:25:00,980
design to the planning

989
00:25:00,980 --> 00:25:01,948
commission subcommittee with

990
00:25:01,948 --> 00:25:03,482
the public realm enhancement. I

991
00:25:03,482 --> 00:25:04,483
see, you know, many of you sit

992
00:25:04,483 --> 00:25:07,483
on that subcommittee and you

993
00:25:07,687 --> 00:25:08,221
provide feedback. And you know,

994
00:25:08,221 --> 00:25:08,381
sometimes that feedback

995
00:25:08,381 --> 00:25:09,655
s

996
00:25:09,655 --> 00:25:10,589
enough and we get it to

997
00:25:10,589 --> 00:25:11,390
planning commission soon.

998
00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:13,790
Sometimes it takes 8, 10 months.

999
00:25:15,610 --> 00:25:16,562
For the, the project to, to

1000
00:25:16,562 --> 00:25:16,796
evolve to a point where it

1001
00:25:16,796 --> 00:25:17,464
s

1002
00:25:17,464 --> 00:25:17,625
comfortable and I think they

1003
00:25:17,625 --> 00:25:19,625
ve,

1004
00:25:21,501 --> 00:25:22,268
um, You know, acted towards

1005
00:25:22,268 --> 00:25:24,668
those recommendations. Um, next

1006
00:25:27,390 --> 00:25:28,474
slide. Then we

1007
00:25:28,474 --> 00:25:29,750
re asked about

1008
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:31,750
these alternative standards

1009
00:25:31,444 --> 00:25:32,746
project. I want to use the term

1010
00:25:32,746 --> 00:25:33,847
standards because these, these

1011
00:25:33,847 --> 00:25:36,847
are projects that are proposed

1012
00:25:38,318 --> 00:25:39,419
that That are exceed the height

1013
00:25:39,419 --> 00:25:41,421
or size standards of of the

1014
00:25:41,421 --> 00:25:41,588
billboard policy. And, and

1015
00:25:41,588 --> 00:25:43,588
we

1016
00:25:44,624 --> 00:25:45,858
re asked, well, how many of

1017
00:25:45,858 --> 00:25:47,260
these boards are alternative

1018
00:25:47,260 --> 00:25:48,562
standard projects, and the

1019
00:25:48,562 --> 00:25:50,300
answer is about 3/4 of them.

1020
00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:52,466
And you know, why is that? I

1021
00:25:52,466 --> 00:25:54,301
mean, I mean, I could say

1022
00:25:54,301 --> 00:25:55,769
because they can, uh, and they

1023
00:25:55,769 --> 00:25:56,303
are allowed to under the policy,

1024
00:25:56,303 --> 00:25:57,304
and I think it

1025
00:25:57,304 --> 00:25:57,838
s, it

1026
00:25:57,838 --> 00:25:58,305
s for two

1027
00:25:58,305 --> 00:25:59,673
reasons. There

1028
00:25:59,673 --> 00:26:01,341
s a lot more

1029
00:26:01,341 --> 00:26:03,741
creativity with these larger

1030
00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:05,445
signs, and the second is, is

1031
00:26:05,445 --> 00:26:07,448
the revenue on these larger

1032
00:26:07,448 --> 00:26:08,382
signs is, is, it

1033
00:26:08,382 --> 00:26:08,682
s exponential,

1034
00:26:08,682 --> 00:26:09,850
um, there

1035
00:26:09,850 --> 00:26:11,451
s a lot more

1036
00:26:11,451 --> 00:26:14,321
creativity and the city not

1037
00:26:14,321 --> 00:26:16,189
only benefits with this

1038
00:26:16,189 --> 00:26:17,457
extraordinary revenue payment.

1039
00:26:17,457 --> 00:26:20,457
It also participates in that

1040
00:26:21,628 --> 00:26:22,830
increased revenue. Um, with

1041
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:25,830
that, um, one more, that

1042
00:26:30,471 --> 00:26:32,471
s you.

1043
00:26:35,509 --> 00:26:35,742
Thank you. All right, am I? So

1044
00:26:35,742 --> 00:26:36,543
what we

1045
00:26:36,543 --> 00:26:37,644
ve heard and what the

1046
00:26:37,644 --> 00:26:39,479
council can confirm or add to

1047
00:26:39,479 --> 00:26:41,282
when we get to the discussion

1048
00:26:41,282 --> 00:26:42,216
portion is that the planning

1049
00:26:42,216 --> 00:26:45,216
commission is relied upon to

1050
00:26:46,687 --> 00:26:49,490
hear. And consider the totality

1051
00:26:49,490 --> 00:26:50,824
of the project for these sunset

1052
00:26:50,824 --> 00:26:52,793
Billboard projects. Is this

1053
00:26:52,793 --> 00:26:54,228
project a good idea in general?

1054
00:26:54,228 --> 00:26:55,662
Is this what is in the

1055
00:26:55,662 --> 00:26:57,130
interests of the city based on

1056
00:26:57,130 --> 00:26:58,833
the guiding documents, vision,

1057
00:26:58,833 --> 00:26:59,634
and past direction. And in this

1058
00:26:59,634 --> 00:27:00,535
case, we

1059
00:27:00,535 --> 00:27:01,569
re not just talking

1060
00:27:01,569 --> 00:27:02,570
about the official public

1061
00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:04,970
benefits, but other general

1062
00:27:05,372 --> 00:27:06,440
benefits of the project as well

1063
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:07,808
as any particular drawbacks.

1064
00:27:07,808 --> 00:27:08,275
What is the balance that we

1065
00:27:08,275 --> 00:27:08,943
re

1066
00:27:08,943 --> 00:27:11,343
striking with these projects,

1067
00:27:11,979 --> 00:27:12,746
um. And that is what is at the

1068
00:27:12,746 --> 00:27:12,946
heart of the recommendation

1069
00:27:12,946 --> 00:27:13,580
that

1070
00:27:13,580 --> 00:27:13,947
s coming from staff and

1071
00:27:13,947 --> 00:27:14,882
that we

1072
00:27:14,882 --> 00:27:16,918
re expecting to see

1073
00:27:16,918 --> 00:27:20,288
from the city from the planning

1074
00:27:20,288 --> 00:27:22,156
commission as well. And, and

1075
00:27:22,156 --> 00:27:25,459
you ask how do we get to this

1076
00:27:25,459 --> 00:27:25,960
recommendation, um. It

1077
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:26,137
s, it

1078
00:27:26,137 --> 00:27:27,361
s

1079
00:27:27,361 --> 00:27:28,862
evolved process, but uh, you

1080
00:27:28,862 --> 00:27:31,231
know, the public realm is the

1081
00:27:31,231 --> 00:27:32,200
first part of it that came with

1082
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,435
the design excellence staff

1083
00:27:33,435 --> 00:27:36,371
when they feel comfortable with

1084
00:27:36,371 --> 00:27:38,771
that public realm. Enhancement

1085
00:27:39,273 --> 00:27:40,241
is moves it forward to, um, the,

1086
00:27:40,241 --> 00:27:41,709
the subcommittee of planning

1087
00:27:41,709 --> 00:27:43,177
commission and in that review

1088
00:27:43,177 --> 00:27:44,178
we brought in engineering to

1089
00:27:44,178 --> 00:27:44,712
see if they

1090
00:27:44,712 --> 00:27:46,447
re feasible public

1091
00:27:46,447 --> 00:27:47,114
works, udas and all the

1092
00:27:47,114 --> 00:27:49,514
different divisions within the

1093
00:27:50,518 --> 00:27:52,530
city. As I said, the, the, the

1094
00:27:52,530 --> 00:27:54,422
subcommittee gives us input.

1095
00:27:54,422 --> 00:27:55,590
And at that point is when we

1096
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:57,990
feel comfortable enough with

1097
00:27:58,293 --> 00:28:00,661
the design and the public realm

1098
00:28:00,661 --> 00:28:02,730
enhancements that will engage

1099
00:28:02,730 --> 00:28:04,532
our valuation expert and that

1100
00:28:04,532 --> 00:28:05,499
valuation expert prepares that

1101
00:28:05,499 --> 00:28:07,899
estimated annual fair market

1102
00:28:08,136 --> 00:28:10,872
value, which is a showed you

1103
00:28:10,872 --> 00:28:11,439
how they, they evolved to that,

1104
00:28:11,439 --> 00:28:12,340
um, estimate, and that

1105
00:28:12,340 --> 00:28:13,475
s when

1106
00:28:13,475 --> 00:28:15,176
we start negotiating the

1107
00:28:15,176 --> 00:28:17,576
revenue share. The revenue

1108
00:28:17,579 --> 00:28:20,810
share is a percentage of that

1109
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:21,449
annual fair market value plus

1110
00:28:21,449 --> 00:28:23,500
extraordinary benefit and we

1111
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:23,384
also factor in if there

1112
00:28:23,384 --> 00:28:24,152
s

1113
00:28:24,152 --> 00:28:26,455
extensive capital costs to

1114
00:28:26,455 --> 00:28:28,560
build that sign. And the cash

1115
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:28,957
flow, I mean, there

1116
00:28:28,957 --> 00:28:29,924
s a, these

1117
00:28:29,924 --> 00:28:32,193
signs are expensive and we give

1118
00:28:32,193 --> 00:28:33,628
them credit in the first couple

1119
00:28:33,628 --> 00:28:35,196
of years of the agreements and

1120
00:28:35,196 --> 00:28:35,365
they pay us back, and I think

1121
00:28:35,365 --> 00:28:37,365
you

1122
00:28:37,499 --> 00:28:37,732
ve seen that at council. So

1123
00:28:37,732 --> 00:28:39,732
once we

1124
00:28:39,901 --> 00:28:41,836
ve come up with these

1125
00:28:41,836 --> 00:28:42,103
terms, we work with the city

1126
00:28:42,103 --> 00:28:42,471
attorney

1127
00:28:42,471 --> 00:28:42,642
s office and that

1128
00:28:42,642 --> 00:28:43,805
s

1129
00:28:43,805 --> 00:28:46,805
where we draft the actual

1130
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:50,710
development agreement. Thank

1131
00:28:57,419 --> 00:28:58,620
you. Oops. Yes ok. So, um, when

1132
00:28:58,620 --> 00:28:59,622
the agreement gets to the point

1133
00:28:59,622 --> 00:29:01,156
of the public hearing, there

1134
00:29:01,156 --> 00:29:01,624
has been a lot of back and

1135
00:29:01,624 --> 00:29:02,191
forth. We

1136
00:29:02,191 --> 00:29:02,591
ve, um, we

1137
00:29:02,591 --> 00:29:04,560
ve gone

1138
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:05,961
through the whole process that

1139
00:29:05,961 --> 00:29:08,297
Brian just outlined. And like I

1140
00:29:08,297 --> 00:29:09,264
said before, the city team

1141
00:29:09,264 --> 00:29:10,799
negotiates the agreement using

1142
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:10,999
our best understanding of the

1143
00:29:10,999 --> 00:29:11,900
city

1144
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:13,835
s priorities from our

1145
00:29:13,835 --> 00:29:14,269
vision documents and from past

1146
00:29:14,269 --> 00:29:15,303
direction that we

1147
00:29:15,303 --> 00:29:17,380
ve gotten at

1148
00:29:17,380 --> 00:29:17,606
city council, and it

1149
00:29:17,606 --> 00:29:19,542
s really

1150
00:29:19,542 --> 00:29:21,100
tricky to throw new things into

1151
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:22,644
that balance. Once we strike

1152
00:29:22,644 --> 00:29:22,811
the balance, they, you know,

1153
00:29:22,811 --> 00:29:22,972
it

1154
00:29:22,972 --> 00:29:24,546
s it

1155
00:29:24,546 --> 00:29:26,215
s sort of an ecosystem,

1156
00:29:26,215 --> 00:29:28,250
and once you throw some

1157
00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:31,153
something new at the last stage

1158
00:29:31,153 --> 00:29:33,521
that gets difficult, um. But

1159
00:29:33,521 --> 00:29:35,570
that said, the city has

1160
00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:36,920
improved our internal processes

1161
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:36,259
through these conversations.

1162
00:29:36,259 --> 00:29:36,859
We

1163
00:29:36,859 --> 00:29:38,260
ve we

1164
00:29:38,260 --> 00:29:39,795
ve um, improved our

1165
00:29:39,795 --> 00:29:40,329
processes to provide clearer

1166
00:29:40,329 --> 00:29:41,297
documents, and we

1167
00:29:41,297 --> 00:29:43,990
ve, um,

1168
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:45,167
updated some of our standard

1169
00:29:45,167 --> 00:29:45,668
terms and, and, um, deal points

1170
00:29:45,668 --> 00:29:46,502
based on what we

1171
00:29:46,502 --> 00:29:47,102
ve heard from

1172
00:29:47,102 --> 00:29:49,371
the commission and council

1173
00:29:49,371 --> 00:29:51,600
through this process. So the

1174
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,208
conversation does have, uh, a

1175
00:29:52,208 --> 00:29:55,808
lot of benefit and it does

1176
00:30:00,282 --> 00:30:00,505
improve the process. Ok, so

1177
00:30:00,505 --> 00:30:01,750
we

1178
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:02,251
re gonna move the

1179
00:30:02,251 --> 00:30:04,220
conversation so we

1180
00:30:04,220 --> 00:30:04,854
ve really

1181
00:30:04,854 --> 00:30:07,189
been talking about billboards

1182
00:30:07,189 --> 00:30:08,857
for the first part of this kind

1183
00:30:08,857 --> 00:30:09,592
of revenue and public benefit

1184
00:30:09,592 --> 00:30:12,128
conversation and as we know,

1185
00:30:12,128 --> 00:30:12,962
the Sunset Arts and advertising

1186
00:30:12,962 --> 00:30:14,831
program has revenue share

1187
00:30:14,831 --> 00:30:16,132
component, public realm

1188
00:30:16,132 --> 00:30:18,132
enhancements, and extraordinary

1189
00:30:18,301 --> 00:30:19,669
public benefits. But for other

1190
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:21,669
larger development projects,

1191
00:30:22,171 --> 00:30:22,371
whether or not they have a sign,

1192
00:30:22,371 --> 00:30:24,390
that

1193
00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:24,640
s also part of this

1194
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:24,840
conversation tonight because

1195
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,750
they

1196
00:30:26,750 --> 00:30:28,411
re usually subject to DAs

1197
00:30:28,411 --> 00:30:29,450
and the thing that I most

1198
00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:31,481
wanted to point out was where

1199
00:30:31,481 --> 00:30:32,248
the public benefit requirement

1200
00:30:32,248 --> 00:30:35,248
comes from in West Hollywood.

1201
00:30:35,451 --> 00:30:36,552
So When you all adopted your

1202
00:30:36,552 --> 00:30:36,886
general plan, um, I don

1203
00:30:36,886 --> 00:30:38,287
t

1204
00:30:38,287 --> 00:30:40,189
remember how many years ago,

1205
00:30:40,189 --> 00:30:41,624
maybe 10 years ago. The city

1206
00:30:41,624 --> 00:30:43,192
did something really smart, and

1207
00:30:43,192 --> 00:30:45,280
it put this language in the

1208
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,531
general plan, which explains to

1209
00:30:47,531 --> 00:30:48,198
anyone who wants to do uh

1210
00:30:48,198 --> 00:30:50,330
development in West Hollywood

1211
00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:51,901
and they want to do something

1212
00:30:51,901 --> 00:30:53,803
above and beyond what these

1213
00:30:53,803 --> 00:30:56,172
stand uh standards call for

1214
00:30:56,172 --> 00:30:58,574
that the city will only

1215
00:30:58,574 --> 00:31:00,420
consider increases in permitted

1216
00:31:00,420 --> 00:31:02,613
far density and height for

1217
00:31:02,613 --> 00:31:03,213
projects in the commercial

1218
00:31:03,213 --> 00:31:04,514
designations that provides

1219
00:31:04,514 --> 00:31:06,490
significant benefits. To the

1220
00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:07,283
city. So this is the language

1221
00:31:07,283 --> 00:31:08,718
we turn to when a developer

1222
00:31:08,718 --> 00:31:09,886
comes in and says, but I want

1223
00:31:09,886 --> 00:31:11,755
to go much higher and I want to

1224
00:31:11,755 --> 00:31:13,156
do this and I want to do that.

1225
00:31:13,156 --> 00:31:14,224
The city has the grounds to be

1226
00:31:14,224 --> 00:31:15,725
able to say, well, if, if you

1227
00:31:15,725 --> 00:31:17,660
even want the city to consider

1228
00:31:17,660 --> 00:31:18,895
that, you have to provide

1229
00:31:18,895 --> 00:31:19,963
significant benefits to the

1230
00:31:19,963 --> 00:31:20,163
city and the community, and

1231
00:31:20,163 --> 00:31:22,163
that

1232
00:31:22,299 --> 00:31:24,134
s the language that we

1233
00:31:24,134 --> 00:31:27,134
turn to through the development

1234
00:31:27,604 --> 00:31:30,400
agreement process. Thank you.

1235
00:31:31,841 --> 00:31:35,441
So While we did adopt that

1236
00:31:35,712 --> 00:31:39,830
language in our, in 2011 in our

1237
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:40,451
general plan 2035, um, it that

1238
00:31:40,451 --> 00:31:41,618
we have projects that predated

1239
00:31:41,618 --> 00:31:43,487
that that still used this

1240
00:31:43,487 --> 00:31:45,322
process. And so for years

1241
00:31:45,322 --> 00:31:48,322
through those projects, it was,

1242
00:31:48,325 --> 00:31:48,692
it was case by case. We didn

1243
00:31:48,692 --> 00:31:50,527
t

1244
00:31:50,527 --> 00:31:52,495
have a regulated uniform way of

1245
00:31:52,495 --> 00:31:54,895
applying a public benefit.

1246
00:31:55,833 --> 00:31:57,768
Evaluation to a project and so,

1247
00:31:57,768 --> 00:31:59,369
um, in 2018, the city

1248
00:31:59,369 --> 00:32:00,671
established a public benefit

1249
00:32:00,671 --> 00:32:03,710
policy to standardize this

1250
00:32:03,607 --> 00:32:06,607
process and we contracted with

1251
00:32:07,578 --> 00:32:08,979
3 economic consulting firms and

1252
00:32:08,979 --> 00:32:10,847
had them analyze what our

1253
00:32:10,847 --> 00:32:12,283
options were to try to capture

1254
00:32:12,283 --> 00:32:13,884
that the best target public

1255
00:32:13,884 --> 00:32:16,187
benefit amount, and they all

1256
00:32:16,187 --> 00:32:16,988
unanimously agreed that the

1257
00:32:16,988 --> 00:32:18,656
residual land value method was

1258
00:32:18,656 --> 00:32:18,820
the way to go and so that

1259
00:32:18,820 --> 00:32:20,624
s

1260
00:32:20,624 --> 00:32:23,594
what we use now for our public

1261
00:32:23,594 --> 00:32:24,294
benefits target. So in addition

1262
00:32:24,294 --> 00:32:26,694
to standardizing the approach

1263
00:32:26,730 --> 00:32:28,532
to the value of the public

1264
00:32:28,532 --> 00:32:29,399
benefits package. The policy

1265
00:32:29,399 --> 00:32:30,902
establishes a process to

1266
00:32:30,902 --> 00:32:32,737
involve the public early on to

1267
00:32:32,737 --> 00:32:34,705
get community input into what

1268
00:32:34,705 --> 00:32:37,105
that public benefits package

1269
00:32:40,778 --> 00:32:43,614
MAY include, um, we also I lost

1270
00:32:43,614 --> 00:32:48,414
my spot sorry and it um and it

1271
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,221
provides Um Just, uh, it

1272
00:32:50,221 --> 00:32:51,856
provides a set of steps that we

1273
00:32:51,856 --> 00:32:53,591
go through. So we have the

1274
00:32:53,591 --> 00:32:54,258
community benefit, we have the

1275
00:32:54,258 --> 00:32:56,270
community meeting. Thank you,

1276
00:32:56,270 --> 00:32:57,962
this was what I was looking for.

1277
00:32:57,962 --> 00:33:01,265
We had the project planner gets

1278
00:33:01,265 --> 00:33:04,167
the project, um, evaluates it.

1279
00:33:04,167 --> 00:33:04,836
Has a required public

1280
00:33:04,836 --> 00:33:07,236
neighborhood meeting to discuss

1281
00:33:07,472 --> 00:33:09,607
what But the potential impacts

1282
00:33:09,607 --> 00:33:12,430
or benefits of the projects are

1283
00:33:12,430 --> 00:33:13,478
and to solicit input from the

1284
00:33:13,478 --> 00:33:15,878
community on public benefit

1285
00:33:16,380 --> 00:33:19,380
scope, um, after that point,

1286
00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:22,187
the city staff will hire an

1287
00:33:22,187 --> 00:33:23,621
independent economic analyst to

1288
00:33:23,621 --> 00:33:26,157
evaluate the, the residual land

1289
00:33:26,157 --> 00:33:28,126
value like I mentioned, um,

1290
00:33:28,126 --> 00:33:30,526
using the standardized public

1291
00:33:31,950 --> 00:33:32,564
benefits tool the Economic

1292
00:33:32,564 --> 00:33:34,966
consultant that we engage works

1293
00:33:34,966 --> 00:33:36,400
with the city only, um, any

1294
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,336
input or any meetings that have

1295
00:33:38,336 --> 00:33:40,138
to be had with the developer in,

1296
00:33:40,138 --> 00:33:42,240
in the room, always includes

1297
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,875
city staff. This is how we

1298
00:33:43,875 --> 00:33:46,111
engage all of our consultants

1299
00:33:46,111 --> 00:33:47,212
from sqqla to, to public

1300
00:33:47,212 --> 00:33:49,214
benefits and other things as

1301
00:33:49,214 --> 00:33:49,414
well. Um, so there

1302
00:33:49,414 --> 00:33:50,848
s never

1303
00:33:50,848 --> 00:33:53,840
direct communication. And some

1304
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,720
of the inputs into the tool are

1305
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:56,654
things that the applicant. Oh,

1306
00:33:56,654 --> 00:33:57,623
no, I

1307
00:33:57,623 --> 00:33:59,570
m still there. Um, are

1308
00:33:59,570 --> 00:33:59,524
things that the applicant knows

1309
00:33:59,524 --> 00:34:00,459
that we couldn

1310
00:34:00,459 --> 00:34:00,619
t know that it

1311
00:34:00,619 --> 00:34:00,776
s,

1312
00:34:00,776 --> 00:34:01,960
it

1313
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,262
s unique to the project and

1314
00:34:04,262 --> 00:34:05,397
so they do give some input into

1315
00:34:05,397 --> 00:34:07,666
that process, but all of that

1316
00:34:07,666 --> 00:34:10,101
is vetted by the consultant to

1317
00:34:10,101 --> 00:34:11,690
make sure that it is consistent

1318
00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:11,236
with industry practices that

1319
00:34:11,236 --> 00:34:12,137
it

1320
00:34:12,137 --> 00:34:15,137
s a reasonable approach, it

1321
00:34:16,942 --> 00:34:17,876
fits the project and so forth.

1322
00:34:17,876 --> 00:34:19,545
Then the consultant reviews

1323
00:34:19,545 --> 00:34:20,879
everything and once we have

1324
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:22,280
that target amount, the city

1325
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,915
manager and the city staff

1326
00:34:23,915 --> 00:34:26,284
negotiate the deal points of

1327
00:34:26,284 --> 00:34:27,586
the da, including the public

1328
00:34:27,586 --> 00:34:29,521
benefits package that is a

1329
00:34:29,521 --> 00:34:30,488
conversation with the developer.

1330
00:34:30,488 --> 00:34:31,924
Sometimes they have ideas of

1331
00:34:31,924 --> 00:34:32,910
what they would like to propose.

1332
00:34:32,910 --> 00:34:33,250
It

1333
00:34:33,250 --> 00:34:34,600
s part of their project.

1334
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:35,361
They can design it into their

1335
00:34:35,361 --> 00:34:35,894
project. I know we

1336
00:34:35,894 --> 00:34:37,329
ve seen, for

1337
00:34:37,329 --> 00:34:38,330
instance, on the arts or the

1338
00:34:38,330 --> 00:34:39,698
former arts club project they

1339
00:34:39,698 --> 00:34:42,634
have an art gallery that would

1340
00:34:42,634 --> 00:34:44,703
be open to the public. It was

1341
00:34:44,703 --> 00:34:45,370
also a, a performing arts

1342
00:34:45,370 --> 00:34:46,471
rehearsal space, and so there

1343
00:34:46,471 --> 00:34:47,605
are certain things that can be

1344
00:34:47,605 --> 00:34:49,375
developed into the project and

1345
00:34:49,375 --> 00:34:50,900
the applicant kind of has to

1346
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:51,310
have control over that, and

1347
00:34:51,310 --> 00:34:53,445
then there can be parts of it

1348
00:34:53,445 --> 00:34:56,445
that are more monetary, um,

1349
00:34:57,820 --> 00:34:59,585
that we can ask for as well.

1350
00:34:59,585 --> 00:35:00,552
And then once that is done and

1351
00:35:00,552 --> 00:35:01,954
the city council, I

1352
00:35:01,954 --> 00:35:03,855
m sorry,

1353
00:35:03,855 --> 00:35:04,123
the attorney, and the

1354
00:35:04,123 --> 00:35:04,556
applicant

1355
00:35:04,556 --> 00:35:06,358
s legal counsel will

1356
00:35:06,358 --> 00:35:07,894
work out the terms of the

1357
00:35:07,894 --> 00:35:09,894
development agreement, then

1358
00:35:11,297 --> 00:35:12,331
once the project is ready, um,

1359
00:35:12,331 --> 00:35:14,133
including the sqa, the design

1360
00:35:14,133 --> 00:35:15,334
review, all of that stuff. It

1361
00:35:15,334 --> 00:35:18,334
all comes forward to public

1362
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,174
hearings. So the public benefit

1363
00:35:22,174 --> 00:35:23,800
policy staff report included

1364
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:23,608
this language with respect to

1365
00:35:23,608 --> 00:35:24,477
the planning commission

1366
00:35:24,477 --> 00:35:25,912
s role,

1367
00:35:25,912 --> 00:35:27,313
and it says in the yellow here,

1368
00:35:27,313 --> 00:35:29,248
this will allow for the

1369
00:35:29,248 --> 00:35:30,383
planning commission to weigh in

1370
00:35:30,383 --> 00:35:32,652
on whether proposed benefits

1371
00:35:32,652 --> 00:35:33,619
are appropriate for the

1372
00:35:33,619 --> 00:35:35,554
proposed project while ensuring

1373
00:35:35,554 --> 00:35:37,230
that the project is being

1374
00:35:37,230 --> 00:35:39,240
reviewed based on the necessary

1375
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:39,625
findings required to be made

1376
00:35:39,625 --> 00:35:42,250
for the specified permit

1377
00:35:42,662 --> 00:35:45,131
requested. So what that has

1378
00:35:45,131 --> 00:35:46,733
been taken to mean over the

1379
00:35:46,733 --> 00:35:47,967
years, um, is that the planning

1380
00:35:47,967 --> 00:35:50,367
commission can and should

1381
00:35:50,369 --> 00:35:51,300
provide feedback on whether the

1382
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:53,300
requested legislative changes

1383
00:35:53,339 --> 00:35:53,739
make for a good project. That

1384
00:35:53,739 --> 00:35:53,940
s,

1385
00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:54,807
that

1386
00:35:54,807 --> 00:35:56,842
s the biggest question,

1387
00:35:56,842 --> 00:35:59,346
right? Is this project a good

1388
00:35:59,346 --> 00:36:00,447
project? All of it included. Uh,

1389
00:36:00,447 --> 00:36:02,415
whether the public benefits

1390
00:36:02,415 --> 00:36:04,150
package makes sense from a land

1391
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:05,652
use perspective is the public

1392
00:36:05,652 --> 00:36:07,554
benefits package making sense

1393
00:36:07,554 --> 00:36:09,488
relative to the legislative

1394
00:36:09,488 --> 00:36:11,891
changes being asked for, and

1395
00:36:11,891 --> 00:36:13,593
generally the commission is not

1396
00:36:13,593 --> 00:36:14,760
asked or tasked with evaluating

1397
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,760
the inputs into the evaluation

1398
00:36:18,565 --> 00:36:19,533
tool. Um, things like The

1399
00:36:19,533 --> 00:36:19,733
construction costs or, you know,

1400
00:36:19,733 --> 00:36:20,500
if it

1401
00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:22,335
s a hotel project, the

1402
00:36:22,335 --> 00:36:25,238
room rates or things like that.

1403
00:36:25,238 --> 00:36:26,373
The inputs into the tool, but

1404
00:36:26,373 --> 00:36:28,841
to provide overall land use

1405
00:36:28,841 --> 00:36:29,642
related feedback on the package

1406
00:36:29,642 --> 00:36:31,110
and provide recommendation to

1407
00:36:31,110 --> 00:36:32,611
counsel on whether the

1408
00:36:32,611 --> 00:36:34,414
components of the package make

1409
00:36:34,414 --> 00:36:35,883
sense. Does the project in its

1410
00:36:35,883 --> 00:36:37,484
whole in its totality moved the

1411
00:36:37,484 --> 00:36:38,151
city in the direction of

1412
00:36:38,151 --> 00:36:40,854
achieving its goals and its

1413
00:36:40,854 --> 00:36:42,322
vision. Uh, and finally, the

1414
00:36:42,322 --> 00:36:44,324
planning commission is asked to

1415
00:36:44,324 --> 00:36:45,725
take an action and make a

1416
00:36:45,725 --> 00:36:47,160
recommendation forward, move a

1417
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,560
recommendation forward to the

1418
00:36:49,562 --> 00:36:51,598
city council and whether that

1419
00:36:51,598 --> 00:36:52,466
is yes, no, or somewhere in

1420
00:36:52,466 --> 00:36:54,601
between the recommendation goes

1421
00:36:54,601 --> 00:36:55,869
to the city council. The city

1422
00:36:55,869 --> 00:36:58,380
council then evaluates it and

1423
00:36:58,380 --> 00:36:59,773
can send back, send staff back

1424
00:36:59,773 --> 00:37:01,341
to re-evaluate things or

1425
00:37:01,341 --> 00:37:02,709
something along those lines, um,

1426
00:37:02,709 --> 00:37:04,210
but the, the role of the

1427
00:37:04,210 --> 00:37:05,679
planning commission is to move

1428
00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:07,480
a recommendation forward. And

1429
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,381
so with that, I will give you a

1430
00:37:08,381 --> 00:37:08,548
preview of the questions that

1431
00:37:08,548 --> 00:37:10,500
we

1432
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:11,886
re going to seek. Guidance

1433
00:37:11,886 --> 00:37:12,520
on and then, um, like I said,

1434
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:12,886
we

1435
00:37:12,886 --> 00:37:13,921
ll take public comment and

1436
00:37:13,921 --> 00:37:14,850
come back to this slide, and so

1437
00:37:14,850 --> 00:37:15,622
I

1438
00:37:15,622 --> 00:37:19,920
ll turn it over to Lauren to

1439
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:20,661
go through those questions. So

1440
00:37:20,661 --> 00:37:24,197
with all of that information in

1441
00:37:24,197 --> 00:37:24,798
mind. In order to, you know,

1442
00:37:24,798 --> 00:37:25,331
use everybody

1443
00:37:25,331 --> 00:37:26,299
s time

1444
00:37:26,299 --> 00:37:27,340
efficiently, um, we

1445
00:37:27,340 --> 00:37:28,969
re gonna

1446
00:37:28,969 --> 00:37:30,504
end with some proposed

1447
00:37:30,504 --> 00:37:32,473
questions for the council and

1448
00:37:32,473 --> 00:37:33,841
the commission to discuss after

1449
00:37:33,841 --> 00:37:35,776
public comment that we think

1450
00:37:35,776 --> 00:37:36,710
will help everybody, um, guide

1451
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:38,178
expectations through this

1452
00:37:38,178 --> 00:37:40,147
process because I think the

1453
00:37:40,147 --> 00:37:40,847
reality is with the Billboard

1454
00:37:40,847 --> 00:37:41,515
program and other developments

1455
00:37:41,515 --> 00:37:41,715
on the horizon, there

1456
00:37:41,715 --> 00:37:43,715
s going

1457
00:37:44,218 --> 00:37:45,453
to be a lot of development

1458
00:37:45,453 --> 00:37:47,388
agreements coming through over

1459
00:37:47,388 --> 00:37:50,157
the next many years and so I

1460
00:37:50,157 --> 00:37:51,910
think um answering some of

1461
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:52,193
these questions during this,

1462
00:37:52,193 --> 00:37:54,161
this joint meeting would be

1463
00:37:54,161 --> 00:37:56,930
helpful in having the council

1464
00:37:56,930 --> 00:37:58,399
provide their expectations. So,

1465
00:37:58,399 --> 00:37:59,466
um, as Jennifer had noted, the

1466
00:37:59,466 --> 00:38:00,801
process has been improved

1467
00:38:00,801 --> 00:38:02,236
through the discussion at the

1468
00:38:02,236 --> 00:38:03,638
commission and the point of all

1469
00:38:03,638 --> 00:38:05,606
these public hearings is to get

1470
00:38:05,606 --> 00:38:07,442
to the best document possible

1471
00:38:07,442 --> 00:38:09,410
for the city. So some things

1472
00:38:09,410 --> 00:38:10,511
that the um. Council can

1473
00:38:10,511 --> 00:38:13,314
discuss tonight is what, what

1474
00:38:13,314 --> 00:38:13,948
is the best way to use meetings

1475
00:38:13,948 --> 00:38:15,249
efficiently and effectively.

1476
00:38:15,249 --> 00:38:16,417
What is the city council want

1477
00:38:16,417 --> 00:38:17,318
from the planning commission

1478
00:38:17,318 --> 00:38:17,651
and its recommendation. There

1479
00:38:17,651 --> 00:38:18,786
s

1480
00:38:18,786 --> 00:38:21,550
a couple options here. Does

1481
00:38:21,550 --> 00:38:22,123
this, does the council want the

1482
00:38:22,123 --> 00:38:23,658
planning commission reviewing

1483
00:38:23,658 --> 00:38:24,592
inputs into the economic

1484
00:38:24,592 --> 00:38:25,893
valuation tool. Does the

1485
00:38:25,893 --> 00:38:27,695
council want the planning

1486
00:38:27,695 --> 00:38:28,929
commission to recommend changes

1487
00:38:28,929 --> 00:38:30,498
on components of the benefit

1488
00:38:30,498 --> 00:38:31,799
package. Does the council want

1489
00:38:31,799 --> 00:38:33,701
planning commission to weigh in

1490
00:38:33,701 --> 00:38:35,669
on the overall sufficiency of

1491
00:38:35,669 --> 00:38:37,105
the public benefits and our

1492
00:38:37,105 --> 00:38:37,739
public realm enhancements. And

1493
00:38:37,739 --> 00:38:39,400
then additionally, are there

1494
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,900
additional benefits? The

1495
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:42,944
council would like to see from

1496
00:38:42,944 --> 00:38:45,747
Billboard and or public benefit

1497
00:38:45,747 --> 00:38:48,182
projects, um, as noted, a lot

1498
00:38:48,182 --> 00:38:49,117
of what guides staff through

1499
00:38:49,117 --> 00:38:51,520
this whole process is decisions

1500
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,119
that have already been made and

1501
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:53,954
the land use documents that the

1502
00:38:53,954 --> 00:38:55,557
council has adopted. So those

1503
00:38:55,557 --> 00:38:56,925
are the guiding documents um

1504
00:38:56,925 --> 00:38:58,326
for billboards, the terms and

1505
00:38:58,326 --> 00:38:59,394
benefits are based on past

1506
00:38:59,394 --> 00:39:00,562
development agreements that

1507
00:39:00,562 --> 00:39:01,796
have come through for

1508
00:39:01,796 --> 00:39:04,132
development projects, the terms

1509
00:39:04,132 --> 00:39:05,233
and the benefits are based on

1510
00:39:05,233 --> 00:39:07,135
public benefits policy and the

1511
00:39:07,135 --> 00:39:07,969
guiding documents. This, this

1512
00:39:07,969 --> 00:39:09,437
is the guidance and we really

1513
00:39:09,437 --> 00:39:09,670
want to know what are.

1514
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:11,607
Council

1515
00:39:11,607 --> 00:39:12,441
s priorities. Are there

1516
00:39:12,441 --> 00:39:13,808
additional negotiations that

1517
00:39:13,808 --> 00:39:15,810
you want done, which, you know,

1518
00:39:15,810 --> 00:39:17,179
can have the other benefit of

1519
00:39:17,179 --> 00:39:18,880
delaying projects coming

1520
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,810
through, so provide staff,

1521
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:21,616
commission, you know, the

1522
00:39:21,616 --> 00:39:23,118
public, the guidance of what

1523
00:39:23,118 --> 00:39:24,986
you want to see, and that way

1524
00:39:24,986 --> 00:39:26,421
this process can work a lot

1525
00:39:26,421 --> 00:39:26,583
smoother for everybody who

1526
00:39:26,583 --> 00:39:28,220
s

1527
00:39:28,220 --> 00:39:28,889
involved. And then the last

1528
00:39:28,889 --> 00:39:30,759
question that was put up here

1529
00:39:30,759 --> 00:39:32,227
is, does the city council want

1530
00:39:32,227 --> 00:39:34,129
to revisit the framework for,

1531
00:39:34,129 --> 00:39:35,697
for the public benefit policy

1532
00:39:35,697 --> 00:39:36,731
and tool or billboard da terms,

1533
00:39:36,731 --> 00:39:37,799
which is something that would

1534
00:39:37,799 --> 00:39:37,961
happen at a later date. That

1535
00:39:37,961 --> 00:39:39,935
s

1536
00:39:39,935 --> 00:39:41,102
not decisions. That need to be

1537
00:39:41,102 --> 00:39:42,700
made tonight but just, you know,

1538
00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:43,710
the conversation. Is this

1539
00:39:43,710 --> 00:39:44,772
working the way you want it to,

1540
00:39:44,772 --> 00:39:46,241
or do you want it to look a

1541
00:39:46,241 --> 00:39:47,843
little bit different. Tell us,

1542
00:39:47,843 --> 00:39:49,245
and then, and then the process

1543
00:39:49,245 --> 00:39:49,678
can be improved and enhanced.

1544
00:39:49,678 --> 00:39:50,613
So that

1545
00:39:50,613 --> 00:39:51,113
s the goal for tonight.

1546
00:39:51,113 --> 00:39:51,914
Um, I

1547
00:39:51,914 --> 00:39:52,981
ll turn it back over to

1548
00:39:52,981 --> 00:39:54,950
the mayor if you want to open

1549
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:56,485
it up for public comment and,

1550
00:39:56,485 --> 00:39:58,620
and we can navigate that

1551
00:39:58,620 --> 00:39:58,787
discussion. Thank you and As

1552
00:39:58,787 --> 00:40:00,155
we

1553
00:40:00,155 --> 00:40:00,989
re getting uh the public

1554
00:40:00,989 --> 00:40:02,224
prepared for your opportunity

1555
00:40:02,224 --> 00:40:02,490
to make comment, please make

1556
00:40:02,490 --> 00:40:04,260
sure you

1557
00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:05,528
ve, uh, submitted your

1558
00:40:05,528 --> 00:40:05,928
comment request to our city

1559
00:40:05,928 --> 00:40:06,929
clerk. Um, I

1560
00:40:06,929 --> 00:40:08,831
ll just let this

1561
00:40:08,831 --> 00:40:10,165
body know what my plan is, um,

1562
00:40:10,165 --> 00:40:11,733
so many of these questions are

1563
00:40:11,733 --> 00:40:11,892
directed at the council, so I

1564
00:40:11,892 --> 00:40:13,568
m

1565
00:40:13,568 --> 00:40:14,102
gonna come to the council for a

1566
00:40:14,102 --> 00:40:14,670
first pass. I

1567
00:40:14,670 --> 00:40:16,338
m sure we all

1568
00:40:16,338 --> 00:40:17,606
maybe have a need for question

1569
00:40:17,606 --> 00:40:18,473
clarity, that sort of thing on

1570
00:40:18,473 --> 00:40:19,700
the presentation. So we

1571
00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:20,842
ll do a

1572
00:40:20,842 --> 00:40:21,811
first pass for my council

1573
00:40:21,811 --> 00:40:23,579
colleagues go to planning

1574
00:40:23,579 --> 00:40:24,780
commission and then come back

1575
00:40:24,780 --> 00:40:25,781
to council if we need to do

1576
00:40:25,781 --> 00:40:27,316
another exchange, we can do it

1577
00:40:27,316 --> 00:40:28,170
at that time, but my hope is

1578
00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:30,152
that we can all sort of take a

1579
00:40:30,152 --> 00:40:31,453
moment. To digest, to get our

1580
00:40:31,453 --> 00:40:32,554
responses clear to some of

1581
00:40:32,554 --> 00:40:33,922
these questions. We have a need

1582
00:40:33,922 --> 00:40:34,556
for clarity, this is going to

1583
00:40:34,556 --> 00:40:35,891
be the moment. I

1584
00:40:35,891 --> 00:40:37,326
m gonna go to

1585
00:40:37,326 --> 00:40:39,228
the public now. Oh, maybe our

1586
00:40:39,228 --> 00:40:39,595
city clerk needs another moment,

1587
00:40:39,595 --> 00:40:40,263
uh, before we

1588
00:40:40,263 --> 00:40:42,131
re prepared, but

1589
00:40:42,131 --> 00:40:42,832
I understand we have a couple

1590
00:40:42,832 --> 00:40:43,299
of public commenters prepared,

1591
00:40:43,299 --> 00:40:44,330
and then we

1592
00:40:44,330 --> 00:40:45,701
ll come back to our

1593
00:40:45,701 --> 00:40:47,701
discussion. Sound good?

1594
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:51,941
Terrific. Sorry about that. Are

1595
00:40:51,941 --> 00:40:54,430
we moving to public comment now?

1596
00:40:54,430 --> 00:40:55,911
Ok, um, we had Jonathan Wilson

1597
00:40:55,911 --> 00:40:56,780
signed up to speak, but I don

1598
00:40:56,780 --> 00:40:58,780
t

1599
00:40:59,549 --> 00:41:02,451
see him in chambers, so I will

1600
00:41:02,451 --> 00:41:06,510
move to Steve Martin. Come on

1601
00:41:11,393 --> 00:41:12,861
down, Steve Martin. Like. Well,

1602
00:41:12,861 --> 00:41:13,829
thank you and thank you, thank

1603
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:16,666
everybody for coming. Ok, there

1604
00:41:16,666 --> 00:41:19,350
we go. I just wanted to make

1605
00:41:19,350 --> 00:41:20,536
sure it was on this. This is, I,

1606
00:41:20,536 --> 00:41:22,380
I was long overdue, but the the

1607
00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:23,439
staff presentation was very

1608
00:41:23,439 --> 00:41:26,439
good. And, and I think

1609
00:41:26,576 --> 00:41:27,209
informative. On the the most

1610
00:41:27,209 --> 00:41:28,100
immediate question, I think

1611
00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:31,610
most of the people of the

1612
00:41:31,715 --> 00:41:34,551
public. I would think that the

1613
00:41:34,551 --> 00:41:36,419
planning commission having a

1614
00:41:36,419 --> 00:41:37,870
Review and some input on the

1615
00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:39,487
development agreement kind of

1616
00:41:40,657 --> 00:41:43,570
gives the public. An

1617
00:41:43,590 --> 00:41:44,527
opportunity to be heard and

1618
00:41:44,527 --> 00:41:46,963
also gives you an opportunity

1619
00:41:46,963 --> 00:41:49,400
to have like a preview before

1620
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:49,700
it comes to consul of what the

1621
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:50,767
commission

1622
00:41:50,767 --> 00:41:51,435
s concerns are and

1623
00:41:51,435 --> 00:41:52,769
what the public

1624
00:41:52,769 --> 00:41:53,870
s concerns are,

1625
00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:54,337
um, I, I think we

1626
00:41:54,337 --> 00:41:56,337
ve, I mean,

1627
00:41:57,674 --> 00:42:00,430
over the, I mean for over the

1628
00:42:00,430 --> 00:42:01,511
many, many years, these

1629
00:42:01,511 --> 00:42:03,446
projects, these development

1630
00:42:03,446 --> 00:42:04,914
agreements have really become

1631
00:42:04,914 --> 00:42:06,483
way more sophisticated and

1632
00:42:06,483 --> 00:42:08,452
frankly I think more lucrative

1633
00:42:08,452 --> 00:42:10,387
for the city and better

1634
00:42:10,387 --> 00:42:10,788
negotiated, um. That

1635
00:42:10,788 --> 00:42:11,221
s just my

1636
00:42:11,221 --> 00:42:11,421
observation and it

1637
00:42:11,421 --> 00:42:12,656
s hard

1638
00:42:12,656 --> 00:42:13,230
because you guys are there all

1639
00:42:13,230 --> 00:42:14,900
the time. I

1640
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:15,250
m only sort of

1641
00:42:15,250 --> 00:42:18,250
dropped parachuting in and out,

1642
00:42:18,695 --> 00:42:21,264
but You know, I, I guess for an

1643
00:42:21,264 --> 00:42:22,165
example, the the arts club.

1644
00:42:22,165 --> 00:42:23,666
Development agreement left a

1645
00:42:23,666 --> 00:42:25,736
lot to be desired. I thought it

1646
00:42:25,736 --> 00:42:27,604
was all kind of way to go about

1647
00:42:27,604 --> 00:42:29,473
doing it, uh, at the last

1648
00:42:29,473 --> 00:42:32,473
minute, um, Lauren Meister was

1649
00:42:32,909 --> 00:42:33,543
able to ask for a very large

1650
00:42:33,543 --> 00:42:33,878
contribution towards housing,

1651
00:42:33,878 --> 00:42:35,746
which wasn

1652
00:42:35,746 --> 00:42:37,247
t even on the table,

1653
00:42:37,247 --> 00:42:39,647
and within 30 seconds, the

1654
00:42:39,683 --> 00:42:42,253
developer said, yes, which left

1655
00:42:42,253 --> 00:42:44,589
a lot of people wondering. What

1656
00:42:44,589 --> 00:42:46,624
kind of, how rigorous was this

1657
00:42:46,624 --> 00:42:47,958
process and what was, what was

1658
00:42:47,958 --> 00:42:48,225
staff really negotiating. I

1659
00:42:48,225 --> 00:42:48,992
think we

1660
00:42:48,992 --> 00:42:49,526
ve we

1661
00:42:49,526 --> 00:42:51,526
ve evolved since

1662
00:42:51,528 --> 00:42:52,663
then, but, uh, I do think that

1663
00:42:52,663 --> 00:42:54,765
the planning commission having

1664
00:42:54,765 --> 00:42:55,732
a say is, is just a good idea.

1665
00:42:55,732 --> 00:42:57,167
So anyway, thank you for your

1666
00:42:57,167 --> 00:42:58,870
time and thank you for your

1667
00:42:58,870 --> 00:43:03,700
indulgence, and I saw you on tv.

1668
00:43:03,441 --> 00:43:03,941
Yeah, on the on the Thank you

1669
00:43:03,941 --> 00:43:04,542
very much. There

1670
00:43:04,542 --> 00:43:06,542
s one more

1671
00:43:08,946 --> 00:43:10,381
public comment. Wendy Goldman,

1672
00:43:10,381 --> 00:43:11,348
Wendy Goldman, you will have 2

1673
00:43:11,348 --> 00:43:14,948
minutes to be followed by David

1674
00:43:15,185 --> 00:43:17,210
Ecker. Good evening, Mayor,

1675
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:19,210
council members, commissioners,

1676
00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:21,459
staff, uh, I have a question

1677
00:43:21,459 --> 00:43:23,261
regarding public benefit. Some

1678
00:43:23,261 --> 00:43:25,696
years ago as a long term

1679
00:43:25,696 --> 00:43:27,231
resident here, I have been to

1680
00:43:27,231 --> 00:43:28,232
many scoping meetings for

1681
00:43:28,232 --> 00:43:30,133
developments on Sunset Strip

1682
00:43:30,133 --> 00:43:32,536
and elsewhere in the city at

1683
00:43:32,536 --> 00:43:34,672
the meeting that I went to,

1684
00:43:34,672 --> 00:43:37,720
there were artists renderings

1685
00:43:37,308 --> 00:43:39,777
of the project that indicated a

1686
00:43:39,777 --> 00:43:41,646
garden that was going to be

1687
00:43:41,646 --> 00:43:42,313
established for the community,

1688
00:43:42,313 --> 00:43:45,313
um, somewhere down the line,

1689
00:43:46,830 --> 00:43:48,586
the developers sold the project

1690
00:43:48,586 --> 00:43:50,955
to a 2nd party and the public

1691
00:43:50,955 --> 00:43:53,891
benefit garden went away. I was

1692
00:43:53,891 --> 00:43:55,126
not aware of that until the

1693
00:43:55,126 --> 00:43:55,460
project completed and opened

1694
00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:57,460
and it wasn

1695
00:43:57,562 --> 00:43:57,721
t there. So I

1696
00:43:57,721 --> 00:43:59,397
m

1697
00:43:59,397 --> 00:44:02,397
just wondering how does someone

1698
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,735
like myself track these things

1699
00:44:04,735 --> 00:44:06,735
when developers change

1700
00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:10,710
midstream and do not exactly

1701
00:44:10,575 --> 00:44:13,440
have a clear Definition of what

1702
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:13,545
is going to be the public

1703
00:44:13,545 --> 00:44:14,379
benefit. So I

1704
00:44:14,379 --> 00:44:16,779
ll leave that to

1705
00:44:17,715 --> 00:44:19,830
you. Thank you. Thank you.

1706
00:44:19,830 --> 00:44:20,852
David Eckhart, I believe was

1707
00:44:20,852 --> 00:44:21,185
next. And it looks like we

1708
00:44:21,185 --> 00:44:22,687
re

1709
00:44:22,687 --> 00:44:23,654
still getting speaker slips.

1710
00:44:23,654 --> 00:44:24,622
Good evening, everyone. Uh,

1711
00:44:24,622 --> 00:44:25,122
just a quick question, and I

1712
00:44:25,122 --> 00:44:27,122
know it

1713
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,395
s subjective, but the

1714
00:44:30,395 --> 00:44:31,429
word extraordinary uh public

1715
00:44:31,429 --> 00:44:33,829
benefits seems very broad

1716
00:44:33,999 --> 00:44:34,866
termed, and I just as a public

1717
00:44:34,866 --> 00:44:35,166
viewer and watching these

1718
00:44:35,166 --> 00:44:37,350
things, it

1719
00:44:37,350 --> 00:44:39,671
s very hard. For me

1720
00:44:39,671 --> 00:44:41,472
or as a layperson to know what

1721
00:44:41,472 --> 00:44:42,674
that definition means. And I

1722
00:44:42,674 --> 00:44:44,776
just wonder if that moving

1723
00:44:44,776 --> 00:44:46,712
forward can be a little more

1724
00:44:46,712 --> 00:44:47,846
defined of what that means for

1725
00:44:47,846 --> 00:44:48,814
the public, uh, but thank you

1726
00:44:48,814 --> 00:44:50,849
all for what you do. I think

1727
00:44:50,849 --> 00:44:52,150
you all do an incredible job

1728
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:54,886
and keep doing the great work.

1729
00:44:54,886 --> 00:44:56,588
Thank you. Do you have other

1730
00:44:56,588 --> 00:44:58,189
folks. Thank you, David. We

1731
00:44:58,189 --> 00:45:01,189
have one additional speaker, Oz

1732
00:45:01,460 --> 00:45:01,617
Powers. So Thank you so much.

1733
00:45:01,617 --> 00:45:03,617
I

1734
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:05,431
m, um, an advocate for uh

1735
00:45:05,431 --> 00:45:07,566
trans lgbtq, non-binary youth,

1736
00:45:07,566 --> 00:45:08,600
and I would love to see a

1737
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,200
program that would help some of

1738
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,504
the homeless youth that are in

1739
00:45:12,504 --> 00:45:13,972
the center or other places to

1740
00:45:13,972 --> 00:45:14,372
um teach them how to do. I

1741
00:45:14,372 --> 00:45:14,535
m,

1742
00:45:14,535 --> 00:45:15,807
I

1743
00:45:15,807 --> 00:45:16,774
m a designer, production

1744
00:45:16,774 --> 00:45:18,777
designer, art director. I was

1745
00:45:18,777 --> 00:45:20,679
the art director on Avatar and

1746
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:22,948
Emmy Award-winning artist, but

1747
00:45:22,948 --> 00:45:23,649
I love to teach, um, especially

1748
00:45:23,649 --> 00:45:24,983
people in our community that

1749
00:45:24,983 --> 00:45:27,983
have been targeted or thrown

1750
00:45:28,387 --> 00:45:29,888
out of their home or, you know,

1751
00:45:29,888 --> 00:45:30,589
homeless or struggling craft

1752
00:45:30,589 --> 00:45:32,724
and skill of production design

1753
00:45:32,724 --> 00:45:34,892
and. Artwork, um, and I would

1754
00:45:34,892 --> 00:45:35,227
love to see that there

1755
00:45:35,227 --> 00:45:35,827
s

1756
00:45:35,827 --> 00:45:38,227
probably other programs out

1757
00:45:38,231 --> 00:45:39,165
there, but to coalesce to help

1758
00:45:39,165 --> 00:45:41,433
those youth produce some of the

1759
00:45:41,433 --> 00:45:42,134
art that is on the billboards

1760
00:45:42,134 --> 00:45:42,401
and showcase their work. That

1761
00:45:42,401 --> 00:45:43,969
s

1762
00:45:43,969 --> 00:45:45,805
all. Thank you. Thank you so

1763
00:45:45,805 --> 00:45:47,272
much. Were there any other

1764
00:45:47,272 --> 00:45:49,174
public commenters signed up in

1765
00:45:49,174 --> 00:45:49,875
person or in Zoom. We had one

1766
00:45:49,875 --> 00:45:52,577
individual signed up for Zoom,

1767
00:45:52,577 --> 00:45:53,645
but they are not in the meeting.

1768
00:45:53,645 --> 00:45:56,150
We can proceed here. Thank you

1769
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:56,949
all so much for coming out and

1770
00:45:56,949 --> 00:45:57,583
delivering your public comments.

1771
00:45:57,583 --> 00:45:58,918
Um, I

1772
00:45:58,918 --> 00:46:00,190
m going to turn to my

1773
00:46:00,190 --> 00:46:01,754
colleagues on the council to

1774
00:46:01,754 --> 00:46:04,154
get the conversation started.

1775
00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:04,723
Ed unless there was any

1776
00:46:04,723 --> 00:46:05,190
extraordinary need for

1777
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:05,424
extraordinary, that

1778
00:46:05,424 --> 00:46:07,424
ll be the

1779
00:46:07,860 --> 00:46:09,940
word, uh, need for clarity on

1780
00:46:09,940 --> 00:46:09,628
the presentation. It

1781
00:46:09,628 --> 00:46:09,786
s ok. Ok,

1782
00:46:09,786 --> 00:46:10,929
I

1783
00:46:10,929 --> 00:46:13,933
m gonna come over to this

1784
00:46:13,933 --> 00:46:15,334
side. Was anybody ready to

1785
00:46:15,334 --> 00:46:15,802
begin the discussion? We

1786
00:46:15,802 --> 00:46:16,936
re all

1787
00:46:16,936 --> 00:46:19,271
super eager, uh, Vice Mayor,

1788
00:46:19,271 --> 00:46:19,672
you said yes. Oh, ok, we

1789
00:46:19,672 --> 00:46:21,672
ll go

1790
00:46:21,974 --> 00:46:22,541
over there, councilmember my

1791
00:46:22,541 --> 00:46:22,701
COUNCILMAN Bermeister, we

1792
00:46:22,701 --> 00:46:24,543
ll

1793
00:46:24,543 --> 00:46:27,790
begin with you. Are they gonna

1794
00:46:27,790 --> 00:46:28,682
answer what extraordinary.

1795
00:46:28,682 --> 00:46:31,184
Would you like to help. I would

1796
00:46:31,184 --> 00:46:34,184
like them to answer what

1797
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:37,657
extraordinary is. An

1798
00:46:37,657 --> 00:46:39,580
extraordinary benefit as a cash

1799
00:46:39,580 --> 00:46:41,458
payment for an alternative

1800
00:46:43,562 --> 00:46:44,300
standards project. So it

1801
00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:44,997
s

1802
00:46:44,997 --> 00:46:46,533
extraordinary means dollars at

1803
00:46:46,533 --> 00:46:49,533
this point. And what about

1804
00:46:50,103 --> 00:46:50,259
extraordinary design? That

1805
00:46:50,259 --> 00:46:52,259
s

1806
00:46:52,672 --> 00:46:53,540
subjective and uh Planning

1807
00:46:53,540 --> 00:46:55,542
commission and council, you

1808
00:46:55,542 --> 00:46:57,343
know, staff bring something

1809
00:46:57,343 --> 00:46:58,845
forward that we believe is

1810
00:46:58,845 --> 00:46:59,345
extraordinary, and that

1811
00:46:59,345 --> 00:47:01,345
s a

1812
00:47:02,249 --> 00:47:04,584
subjective definition, so then

1813
00:47:04,584 --> 00:47:06,553
City Attorney Langer then

1814
00:47:06,553 --> 00:47:07,870
planning commission can debate

1815
00:47:07,870 --> 00:47:07,854
whether something is

1816
00:47:07,854 --> 00:47:10,854
extraordinary design or not, is

1817
00:47:14,460 --> 00:47:14,994
that right? I think the term is

1818
00:47:14,994 --> 00:47:15,146
exceptional though that

1819
00:47:15,146 --> 00:47:17,146
s

1820
00:47:19,365 --> 00:47:20,366
exceptional used to be

1821
00:47:20,366 --> 00:47:22,169
extraordinary. The design

1822
00:47:22,169 --> 00:47:22,736
component in the land use

1823
00:47:22,736 --> 00:47:24,271
component is absolutely

1824
00:47:24,271 --> 00:47:24,972
something that the planning

1825
00:47:24,972 --> 00:47:25,572
commission should be reviewing.

1826
00:47:25,572 --> 00:47:25,906
I think it

1827
00:47:25,906 --> 00:47:26,600
s something that

1828
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:26,740
s

1829
00:47:26,740 --> 00:47:27,700
sassy, it looks, that

1830
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:27,340
s how we

1831
00:47:27,340 --> 00:47:29,420
would say it

1832
00:47:29,420 --> 00:47:29,976
s sassy, right?

1833
00:47:29,976 --> 00:47:32,145
The sassy subcommittee looks at

1834
00:47:32,145 --> 00:47:34,714
the design of the um, looks at

1835
00:47:34,714 --> 00:47:36,549
the design of the signs and if

1836
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:37,216
it has that extraordinary

1837
00:47:37,216 --> 00:47:38,418
exceptional component to it.

1838
00:47:38,418 --> 00:47:38,619
The design is part of what

1839
00:47:38,619 --> 00:47:40,387
they

1840
00:47:40,387 --> 00:47:40,888
re reviewing. Ok, we

1841
00:47:40,888 --> 00:47:42,489
re

1842
00:47:42,489 --> 00:47:44,889
just doing like initial

1843
00:47:45,792 --> 00:47:48,940
comments and then, ok, so, um,

1844
00:47:48,940 --> 00:47:51,940
Wendy Goldman spoke about a

1845
00:47:51,598 --> 00:47:52,498
change in public benefits, uh,

1846
00:47:52,498 --> 00:47:54,898
midstream without the public

1847
00:47:55,969 --> 00:47:59,569
getting to You know, give some

1848
00:48:01,108 --> 00:48:01,675
input on that, um. I guess, I

1849
00:48:01,675 --> 00:48:02,209
guess my, I don

1850
00:48:02,209 --> 00:48:02,365
t know if it

1851
00:48:02,365 --> 00:48:04,110
s

1852
00:48:04,110 --> 00:48:05,145
a question or a comment, but

1853
00:48:05,145 --> 00:48:06,913
you know, we

1854
00:48:06,913 --> 00:48:08,480
ve had this issue

1855
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,448
about major versus minor

1856
00:48:13,688 --> 00:48:15,556
changes. And I think that that

1857
00:48:15,556 --> 00:48:18,556
is something that has caused

1858
00:48:19,930 --> 00:48:20,461
grief to a lot of residents

1859
00:48:20,461 --> 00:48:22,863
when changes happen on the

1860
00:48:22,863 --> 00:48:24,798
staff at the staff level over

1861
00:48:24,798 --> 00:48:26,867
the counter on big projects, I

1862
00:48:26,867 --> 00:48:28,702
mean, even look at like the

1863
00:48:28,702 --> 00:48:29,703
sunset Millennium when they

1864
00:48:29,703 --> 00:48:30,170
took away, didn

1865
00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:32,390
t that happen

1866
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:33,740
over the counter. They took

1867
00:48:33,740 --> 00:48:36,510
away all the terraces and, and

1868
00:48:36,510 --> 00:48:40,710
now it looks like a prison. Um.

1869
00:48:44,551 --> 00:48:44,818
What can we do? To Um Fix that.

1870
00:48:44,818 --> 00:48:46,520
So there

1871
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,120
s a provision in every

1872
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,422
development agreement that

1873
00:48:48,422 --> 00:48:50,391
talks about changes to the

1874
00:48:50,391 --> 00:48:50,591
project. And it, the way that

1875
00:48:50,591 --> 00:48:51,926
they

1876
00:48:51,926 --> 00:48:53,594
ve always been framed and

1877
00:48:53,594 --> 00:48:55,329
in the samples that we

1878
00:48:55,329 --> 00:48:57,329
ve used,

1879
00:48:57,698 --> 00:48:58,599
um, it explains what is minor

1880
00:48:58,599 --> 00:48:59,733
and oftentimes it lists

1881
00:48:59,733 --> 00:49:01,535
specific things that would be

1882
00:49:01,535 --> 00:49:03,470
considered minor, which means

1883
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:04,938
just in the efficiency of

1884
00:49:04,938 --> 00:49:06,341
getting these projects going,

1885
00:49:06,341 --> 00:49:08,309
that the um amendment is

1886
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:09,344
approved at a staff level. It

1887
00:49:09,344 --> 00:49:11,345
MAY also list things that are

1888
00:49:11,345 --> 00:49:12,213
major, for example, if it

1889
00:49:12,213 --> 00:49:14,115
requires additional sql review,

1890
00:49:14,115 --> 00:49:14,274
it would be major. And so It

1891
00:49:14,274 --> 00:49:15,349
s

1892
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:17,451
that section of the development

1893
00:49:17,451 --> 00:49:18,953
agreement where you want to set

1894
00:49:18,953 --> 00:49:20,955
the expectations for both the

1895
00:49:20,955 --> 00:49:22,289
city, the staff, and the

1896
00:49:22,289 --> 00:49:24,225
developer of what is considered

1897
00:49:24,225 --> 00:49:25,727
major and minor and what can be

1898
00:49:25,727 --> 00:49:28,129
approved at the staff level and

1899
00:49:28,129 --> 00:49:29,330
what should come back because

1900
00:49:29,330 --> 00:49:31,980
of an amendment requires the

1901
00:49:31,980 --> 00:49:31,699
full process, right? It

1902
00:49:31,699 --> 00:49:32,967
requires the planning

1903
00:49:32,967 --> 00:49:33,968
commission public hearing, the

1904
00:49:33,968 --> 00:49:34,135
city council public hearing.

1905
00:49:34,135 --> 00:49:34,469
It

1906
00:49:34,469 --> 00:49:35,470
s, it

1907
00:49:35,470 --> 00:49:37,505
s a long process to do

1908
00:49:37,505 --> 00:49:38,506
a major amendment. So you want

1909
00:49:38,506 --> 00:49:41,109
to specify in the document what.

1910
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:42,577
The council considers major and

1911
00:49:42,577 --> 00:49:43,345
minor. I guess what I would say

1912
00:49:43,345 --> 00:49:44,179
is that when you

1913
00:49:44,179 --> 00:49:46,179
re talking

1914
00:49:46,581 --> 00:49:46,748
about a project that has a da

1915
00:49:46,748 --> 00:49:48,748
it

1916
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:49,417
s usually a very big project

1917
00:49:49,417 --> 00:49:50,418
and they

1918
00:49:50,418 --> 00:49:51,850
re probably very few

1919
00:49:51,850 --> 00:49:53,485
changes that could be

1920
00:49:53,854 --> 00:49:55,289
considered minor. Uh, where,

1921
00:49:55,289 --> 00:49:55,523
you know, where the public

1922
00:49:55,523 --> 00:49:56,657
wouldn

1923
00:49:56,657 --> 00:49:59,161
t be have an interest in

1924
00:49:59,161 --> 00:50:02,161
knowing what is changing. Um,

1925
00:50:02,431 --> 00:50:04,399
so I would suggest that that

1926
00:50:04,399 --> 00:50:07,399
minor versus major be made

1927
00:50:08,603 --> 00:50:10,638
extremely narrow. For DAs. Can

1928
00:50:10,638 --> 00:50:12,400
I just add one thing? Are we

1929
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:12,340
not giving I think before we

1930
00:50:12,340 --> 00:50:13,808
re

1931
00:50:13,808 --> 00:50:14,842
not here to make suggestions so

1932
00:50:14,842 --> 00:50:15,600
much to sort of, right, we

1933
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,600
re

1934
00:50:17,212 --> 00:50:18,614
not here to give direction or,

1935
00:50:18,614 --> 00:50:20,182
you know, change anything

1936
00:50:20,182 --> 00:50:21,490
specifically, just sort of

1937
00:50:21,490 --> 00:50:21,650
posit what our understanding of

1938
00:50:21,650 --> 00:50:22,617
things are, yeah, it

1939
00:50:22,617 --> 00:50:24,119
s a little

1940
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:25,190
complicated, but yeah, so

1941
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:26,888
rather than it

1942
00:50:26,888 --> 00:50:27,956
s there you go

1943
00:50:27,956 --> 00:50:28,390
that direction, it

1944
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:28,957
s not

1945
00:50:28,957 --> 00:50:29,758
direction. It

1946
00:50:29,758 --> 00:50:29,924
s not direction,

1947
00:50:29,924 --> 00:50:31,924
it

1948
00:50:32,260 --> 00:50:34,830
s an emotion. Um, the other

1949
00:50:34,830 --> 00:50:36,165
thing I wanted to bring up, uh,

1950
00:50:36,165 --> 00:50:36,324
is, um, you know, it

1951
00:50:36,324 --> 00:50:38,324
s

1952
00:50:40,502 --> 00:50:42,404
interesting that we give DAs,

1953
00:50:42,404 --> 00:50:44,906
um, to create certainty for

1954
00:50:44,906 --> 00:50:45,107
developers, but somehow we

1955
00:50:45,107 --> 00:50:45,574
haven

1956
00:50:45,574 --> 00:50:47,974
t created certainty for

1957
00:50:49,578 --> 00:50:51,313
us. For the city, for residents

1958
00:50:51,313 --> 00:50:51,980
about getting projects built.

1959
00:50:51,980 --> 00:50:52,715
You know, there

1960
00:50:52,715 --> 00:50:54,715
s certainty for

1961
00:50:55,184 --> 00:50:55,484
them, but not certainty for us,

1962
00:50:55,484 --> 00:50:56,585
um, so I

1963
00:50:56,585 --> 00:50:58,153
m not going to go on

1964
00:50:58,153 --> 00:50:59,588
because then it would become a

1965
00:50:59,588 --> 00:50:59,747
direction. Um, the other thing

1966
00:50:59,747 --> 00:51:01,356
I

1967
00:51:01,356 --> 00:51:04,260
ll bring up is on public

1968
00:51:04,260 --> 00:51:05,427
input. Um, we talk about

1969
00:51:05,427 --> 00:51:06,828
community meetings and, and I,

1970
00:51:06,828 --> 00:51:08,731
and we just passed recently

1971
00:51:08,731 --> 00:51:10,266
passed an item to have

1972
00:51:10,266 --> 00:51:12,401
community meetings for all DAs,

1973
00:51:12,401 --> 00:51:14,103
not just DAs having to do with

1974
00:51:14,103 --> 00:51:16,503
development projects, but also

1975
00:51:16,805 --> 00:51:19,508
billboards. And one of the um

1976
00:51:19,508 --> 00:51:23,708
One of the points in uh the

1977
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,949
public benefits, um, The public

1978
00:51:26,949 --> 00:51:28,510
benefits policy is public input,

1979
00:51:28,510 --> 00:51:29,886
input and community meetings

1980
00:51:29,886 --> 00:51:31,554
that staff will discuss the

1981
00:51:31,554 --> 00:51:33,954
potential public benefits of

1982
00:51:34,190 --> 00:51:34,824
the project at the initial

1983
00:51:34,824 --> 00:51:36,824
neighborhood meeting required

1984
00:51:37,590 --> 00:51:39,962
by the West Hollywood Municipal

1985
00:51:39,962 --> 00:51:41,430
code. Staff will present to the

1986
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:42,398
community the above general

1987
00:51:42,398 --> 00:51:43,466
list of public benefit

1988
00:51:43,466 --> 00:51:44,834
categories, and there

1989
00:51:44,834 --> 00:51:46,834
s a whole

1990
00:51:47,704 --> 00:51:48,705
list and solicit and document

1991
00:51:48,705 --> 00:51:49,738
feedback regarding neighborhood

1992
00:51:49,738 --> 00:51:50,720
priorities. I don

1993
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:50,273
t think

1994
00:51:50,273 --> 00:51:51,740
that

1995
00:51:51,740 --> 00:51:51,900
s ever been done. I don

1996
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:52,141
t

1997
00:51:52,141 --> 00:51:54,141
think that

1998
00:51:55,444 --> 00:51:55,603
s ever been done. So,

1999
00:51:55,603 --> 00:51:57,603
i

2000
00:51:59,215 --> 00:52:00,316
ll just leave it there.

2001
00:52:00,316 --> 00:52:02,716
Councillor Murhang, are you

2002
00:52:03,253 --> 00:52:04,420
ready to go, or did you? Are we

2003
00:52:04,420 --> 00:52:05,688
providing commentary or if you

2004
00:52:05,688 --> 00:52:06,356
had if you had clarity, if you

2005
00:52:06,356 --> 00:52:06,689
had initial thoughts you

2006
00:52:06,689 --> 00:52:08,689
d like

2007
00:52:08,725 --> 00:52:10,993
to share now or we can come

2008
00:52:10,993 --> 00:52:12,428
back to you at the end. Um,

2009
00:52:12,428 --> 00:52:13,396
thank you, Mayor. You know, I,

2010
00:52:13,396 --> 00:52:14,960
I do think it

2011
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:15,297
s important to

2012
00:52:15,297 --> 00:52:17,233
clarify the role of the

2013
00:52:17,233 --> 00:52:18,769
planning commission in the

2014
00:52:18,769 --> 00:52:19,302
development agreement process,

2015
00:52:19,302 --> 00:52:19,903
um, under the city

2016
00:52:19,903 --> 00:52:21,805
s governing

2017
00:52:21,805 --> 00:52:23,390
framework, DAs are legislative

2018
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:23,739
actions that fall under the

2019
00:52:23,739 --> 00:52:25,608
exclusive authority of the city

2020
00:52:25,608 --> 00:52:26,876
council. While the planning

2021
00:52:26,876 --> 00:52:28,440
commission MAY review and

2022
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,879
provide recommendations on land

2023
00:52:29,879 --> 00:52:30,747
use matters. It does not and

2024
00:52:30,747 --> 00:52:33,747
should not have the authority

2025
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:35,840
to approve, modify, or impose

2026
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:36,186
conditions on development

2027
00:52:36,186 --> 00:52:37,621
agreements. The, the city

2028
00:52:37,621 --> 00:52:39,220
council is the only

2029
00:52:39,220 --> 00:52:40,991
decision-making body with the

2030
00:52:40,991 --> 00:52:42,592
legal authority to negotiate,

2031
00:52:42,592 --> 00:52:43,393
amend, and approve development

2032
00:52:43,393 --> 00:52:45,295
agreements. Any conditions,

2033
00:52:45,295 --> 00:52:46,396
terms, or public benefits

2034
00:52:46,396 --> 00:52:47,497
associated with DAs are

2035
00:52:47,497 --> 00:52:48,598
determined solely by the city

2036
00:52:48,598 --> 00:52:50,166
council as part of its

2037
00:52:50,166 --> 00:52:50,733
legislative discretion. The

2038
00:52:50,733 --> 00:52:52,501
planning commission

2039
00:52:52,501 --> 00:52:54,501
s role is

2040
00:52:54,938 --> 00:52:55,472
strictly advisory in nature and

2041
00:52:55,472 --> 00:52:56,673
its recommendations are

2042
00:52:56,673 --> 00:52:57,841
non-binding as I head to the

2043
00:52:57,841 --> 00:53:00,241
city council for determination.

2044
00:53:00,444 --> 00:53:03,444
Thank you, Mayor. Ok. Uh,

2045
00:53:04,314 --> 00:53:05,982
Councilor Erickson. Just Thank

2046
00:53:05,982 --> 00:53:06,316
you so much. Um, I have some

2047
00:53:06,316 --> 00:53:06,816
questions I

2048
00:53:06,816 --> 00:53:07,517
ll, I

2049
00:53:07,517 --> 00:53:09,517
ll talk about

2050
00:53:09,786 --> 00:53:12,756
some initial comments. So on

2051
00:53:12,756 --> 00:53:13,624
page 22 of your excellent

2052
00:53:13,624 --> 00:53:14,458
presentation. Congratulations.

2053
00:53:14,458 --> 00:53:15,659
Welcome, planning commissioners.

2054
00:53:15,659 --> 00:53:16,994
Last time I was on here with

2055
00:53:16,994 --> 00:53:18,462
some of you, I was vice chair

2056
00:53:18,462 --> 00:53:19,329
and I believe you were

2057
00:53:19,329 --> 00:53:19,930
commissioner of the, on the

2058
00:53:19,930 --> 00:53:20,363
commission, so it

2059
00:53:20,363 --> 00:53:22,363
s nice to

2060
00:53:22,399 --> 00:53:25,999
serve a table with you again.

2061
00:53:27,737 --> 00:53:28,706
Um. Page 22 regarding

2062
00:53:28,706 --> 00:53:28,906
complications, um, I

2063
00:53:28,906 --> 00:53:30,441
m aware

2064
00:53:30,441 --> 00:53:32,409
when I was a planning

2065
00:53:32,409 --> 00:53:34,409
commissioner, most commissions

2066
00:53:35,746 --> 00:53:37,781
are commissioners are asked to

2067
00:53:37,781 --> 00:53:40,181
bring complicated questions or

2068
00:53:40,284 --> 00:53:41,418
commentary to you prior. Are

2069
00:53:41,418 --> 00:53:42,352
you experiencing difficulties

2070
00:53:42,352 --> 00:53:43,520
with that. It sounds like you

2071
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,122
are, but I just I

2072
00:53:45,122 --> 00:53:46,591
m trying to

2073
00:53:46,591 --> 00:53:47,391
understand better because if

2074
00:53:47,391 --> 00:53:49,260
questions were asked ahead of

2075
00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:49,293
time, then we wouldn

2076
00:53:49,293 --> 00:53:51,293
t be

2077
00:53:51,662 --> 00:53:52,730
having um Negotiation

2078
00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:55,130
strategies in front of

2079
00:53:55,432 --> 00:53:56,934
development. Second guessing

2080
00:53:56,934 --> 00:53:57,334
facts in detail, stuff like

2081
00:53:57,334 --> 00:53:57,868
that. I

2082
00:53:57,868 --> 00:53:58,202
m sounding like that

2083
00:53:58,202 --> 00:53:58,736
s

2084
00:53:58,736 --> 00:53:58,936
a challenge that you

2085
00:53:58,936 --> 00:54:00,936
ve been

2086
00:54:02,806 --> 00:54:04,275
facing. I think that there are

2087
00:54:04,275 --> 00:54:05,243
a lot of times that the

2088
00:54:05,243 --> 00:54:06,244
planning commissioners will

2089
00:54:06,244 --> 00:54:07,378
bring us questions ahead of

2090
00:54:07,378 --> 00:54:08,746
time and then sometimes

2091
00:54:08,746 --> 00:54:10,981
questions come out of the

2092
00:54:10,981 --> 00:54:12,149
deliberation and the, and the

2093
00:54:12,149 --> 00:54:12,416
presentation and the

2094
00:54:12,416 --> 00:54:13,500
applicant

2095
00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:13,617
s presentation, and

2096
00:54:13,617 --> 00:54:15,352
so I think there

2097
00:54:15,352 --> 00:54:17,752
s a little of

2098
00:54:18,288 --> 00:54:20,257
both, yeah. Great. So you are

2099
00:54:20,257 --> 00:54:22,257
having difficulty. Wonderful.

2100
00:54:22,727 --> 00:54:25,530
In regards to page 20 slide 24,

2101
00:54:25,530 --> 00:54:26,497
you talk about an independent

2102
00:54:26,497 --> 00:54:27,565
economic consultant. That

2103
00:54:27,565 --> 00:54:28,933
individual, I

2104
00:54:28,933 --> 00:54:30,168
m guessing is

2105
00:54:30,168 --> 00:54:30,468
certified, has credentials that

2106
00:54:30,468 --> 00:54:31,502
most if I

2107
00:54:31,502 --> 00:54:32,369
m I don

2108
00:54:32,369 --> 00:54:34,238
t know what

2109
00:54:34,238 --> 00:54:34,938
the commissioners have in terms

2110
00:54:34,938 --> 00:54:35,773
of their professional

2111
00:54:35,773 --> 00:54:38,810
credentials, but a way in which

2112
00:54:38,810 --> 00:54:40,712
they would be able to provide

2113
00:54:40,712 --> 00:54:41,279
expert expertise, correct?

2114
00:54:41,279 --> 00:54:41,746
Correct. That

2115
00:54:41,746 --> 00:54:43,746
s, that

2116
00:54:44,582 --> 00:54:45,617
s their

2117
00:54:45,617 --> 00:54:48,617
profession, yes was to be

2118
00:54:52,456 --> 00:54:53,958
dealing with. And you Thank you.

2119
00:54:53,958 --> 00:54:55,459
Um, if the planning commission

2120
00:54:55,459 --> 00:54:58,960
is supposed to be solely land

2121
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,632
use, then why are we getting

2122
00:55:00,632 --> 00:55:01,967
into like economic Calculations

2123
00:55:01,967 --> 00:55:02,467
back and forth with some of the

2124
00:55:02,467 --> 00:55:02,867
commissioners. I

2125
00:55:02,867 --> 00:55:04,435
ve seen it

2126
00:55:04,435 --> 00:55:05,203
happen, but I

2127
00:55:05,203 --> 00:55:05,470
m just wondering

2128
00:55:05,470 --> 00:55:06,638
why that

2129
00:55:06,638 --> 00:55:07,572
s even an option in

2130
00:55:07,572 --> 00:55:07,738
their discussion and it

2131
00:55:07,738 --> 00:55:09,738
s not

2132
00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:10,107
shut down. Well, that

2133
00:55:10,107 --> 00:55:10,741
s the

2134
00:55:10,741 --> 00:55:11,809
direction that we

2135
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:13,440
re trying to

2136
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:14,790
get to you and I see that as

2137
00:55:14,790 --> 00:55:14,513
one of your questions. I

2138
00:55:14,513 --> 00:55:15,914
m just

2139
00:55:15,914 --> 00:55:16,214
clarifying for the public

2140
00:55:16,214 --> 00:55:17,482
because I

2141
00:55:17,482 --> 00:55:17,638
ve seen the public

2142
00:55:17,638 --> 00:55:19,638
s

2143
00:55:19,884 --> 00:55:24,840
time wasted as a result of that.

2144
00:55:26,924 --> 00:55:29,924
Um, additionally, on Page. Or

2145
00:55:38,503 --> 00:55:41,503
slide 29, um. Uh For the

2146
00:55:44,420 --> 00:55:44,261
evaluation tools. Um I

2147
00:55:44,261 --> 00:55:46,261
m

2148
00:55:46,411 --> 00:55:48,347
looking back on to some of the

2149
00:55:48,347 --> 00:55:50,282
conversations in the staff

2150
00:55:50,282 --> 00:55:52,151
report on page 5 and 4

2151
00:55:52,151 --> 00:55:55,151
regarding how we evaluate and

2152
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,320
some confusion specifically.

2153
00:55:57,356 --> 00:55:58,723
For land use authority, why is

2154
00:55:58,723 --> 00:56:01,123
the commission talking about

2155
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:03,895
public parks and open space. So,

2156
00:56:03,895 --> 00:56:05,363
for example, I believe it was

2157
00:56:05,363 --> 00:56:06,398
the Viper room project. There

2158
00:56:06,398 --> 00:56:07,867
was some conversation at the

2159
00:56:07,867 --> 00:56:09,969
planning commission that dealt

2160
00:56:09,969 --> 00:56:11,360
with hours of a museum at some

2161
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,360
point. Why was that even

2162
00:56:15,908 --> 00:56:16,775
allowed to happen? I don

2163
00:56:16,775 --> 00:56:16,942
t, I

2164
00:56:16,942 --> 00:56:17,309
don

2165
00:56:17,309 --> 00:56:17,809
t think that

2166
00:56:17,809 --> 00:56:18,743
s land use

2167
00:56:18,743 --> 00:56:19,678
authority, and I

2168
00:56:19,678 --> 00:56:20,645
m reading this

2169
00:56:20,645 --> 00:56:23,450
as strictly the planning

2170
00:56:23,115 --> 00:56:24,517
commission deals with land use,

2171
00:56:24,517 --> 00:56:25,985
correct? Well, for instance

2172
00:56:25,985 --> 00:56:27,153
with a conditional use permit,

2173
00:56:27,153 --> 00:56:28,554
we talk about the hours of

2174
00:56:28,554 --> 00:56:28,710
operation. I think that that

2175
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:29,621
s

2176
00:56:29,621 --> 00:56:30,889
part of, part of what we talk

2177
00:56:30,889 --> 00:56:32,224
about in a lot of land use

2178
00:56:32,224 --> 00:56:34,359
questions, yeah but at the end

2179
00:56:34,359 --> 00:56:35,828
of the day. The planning

2180
00:56:35,828 --> 00:56:38,228
commission should not be

2181
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:40,165
negotiating a public benefit

2182
00:56:40,165 --> 00:56:40,700
that you all dealt with

2183
00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:42,568
regarding the hours of

2184
00:56:42,568 --> 00:56:43,336
operation. It just doesn

2185
00:56:43,336 --> 00:56:44,360
t seem

2186
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:44,270
within their authority. I

2187
00:56:44,270 --> 00:56:45,104
m

2188
00:56:45,104 --> 00:56:45,371
guessing, and correct me if I

2189
00:56:45,371 --> 00:56:45,905
m

2190
00:56:45,905 --> 00:56:46,372
wrong, if it

2191
00:56:46,372 --> 00:56:47,339
s in their

2192
00:56:47,339 --> 00:56:47,907
authority and you would like

2193
00:56:47,907 --> 00:56:48,307
that, but I

2194
00:56:48,307 --> 00:56:48,462
m hearing that

2195
00:56:48,462 --> 00:56:50,462
s a

2196
00:56:51,377 --> 00:56:51,844
no. And yeah, I think that

2197
00:56:51,844 --> 00:56:52,711
s

2198
00:56:52,711 --> 00:56:53,946
part of the conversation

2199
00:56:53,946 --> 00:56:54,813
tonight is where do you want

2200
00:56:54,813 --> 00:56:56,648
the commission spending their

2201
00:56:56,648 --> 00:56:58,651
time? All of this in some way

2202
00:56:58,651 --> 00:57:01,120
or another can be connected to

2203
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,455
land use design, some points

2204
00:57:02,455 --> 00:57:03,422
are purely financial and so the

2205
00:57:03,422 --> 00:57:05,822
council should set the

2206
00:57:05,858 --> 00:57:06,826
framework of what they want the

2207
00:57:06,826 --> 00:57:07,460
commission focusing and I

2208
00:57:07,460 --> 00:57:08,361
understand the planning

2209
00:57:08,361 --> 00:57:10,696
commission is not elected by

2210
00:57:10,696 --> 00:57:11,397
the people, that is us. Um, I

2211
00:57:11,397 --> 00:57:11,931
know there

2212
00:57:11,931 --> 00:57:13,931
s some conversations

2213
00:57:15,134 --> 00:57:16,603
there at times, but, um, my

2214
00:57:16,603 --> 00:57:18,471
final question um is just

2215
00:57:18,471 --> 00:57:18,972
regarding, I think the general

2216
00:57:18,972 --> 00:57:19,205
confusion of what we

2217
00:57:19,205 --> 00:57:20,907
re having

2218
00:57:20,907 --> 00:57:23,307
up. Right? Uh, we

2219
00:57:25,544 --> 00:57:26,979
ve. This was

2220
00:57:26,979 --> 00:57:27,580
a very great presentation. I

2221
00:57:27,580 --> 00:57:28,114
think it

2222
00:57:28,114 --> 00:57:29,915
s very thorough. When

2223
00:57:29,915 --> 00:57:31,484
I was a planning commissioner,

2224
00:57:31,484 --> 00:57:31,851
I understood this. I

2225
00:57:31,851 --> 00:57:33,753
ve

2226
00:57:33,753 --> 00:57:34,454
negotiated a few public

2227
00:57:34,454 --> 00:57:34,821
benefits and development

2228
00:57:34,821 --> 00:57:35,221
agreements. I

2229
00:57:35,221 --> 00:57:36,823
m just wondering,

2230
00:57:36,823 --> 00:57:39,192
is there a training component

2231
00:57:39,192 --> 00:57:39,859
when an individual gets put on

2232
00:57:39,859 --> 00:57:40,760
the planning commission to

2233
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,528
understand that role. I believe

2234
00:57:42,528 --> 00:57:42,996
there is, but I

2235
00:57:42,996 --> 00:57:44,996
m just wanna

2236
00:57:45,531 --> 00:57:48,340
confirmation in that way. Yeah,

2237
00:57:48,340 --> 00:57:49,468
we, we train and we meet with

2238
00:57:49,468 --> 00:57:50,804
each new commissioner when they

2239
00:57:50,804 --> 00:57:52,405
come on and we get them, give

2240
00:57:52,405 --> 00:57:53,740
them all of this background,

2241
00:57:53,740 --> 00:57:55,642
and again, like part of what

2242
00:57:55,642 --> 00:57:57,210
comes out of this is gonna be

2243
00:57:57,210 --> 00:58:00,210
what goes into that onboarding

2244
00:58:00,547 --> 00:58:03,820
as well. Wonderful. So then in

2245
00:58:03,820 --> 00:58:04,617
terms of uh commentary on page

2246
00:58:04,617 --> 00:58:05,384
29 for questions. Um, I

2247
00:58:05,384 --> 00:58:07,384
m happy,

2248
00:58:07,553 --> 00:58:08,822
MADAM Mayor to say, uh, you

2249
00:58:08,822 --> 00:58:10,822
know, frankly, i

2250
00:58:11,191 --> 00:58:12,920
m happy to

2251
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:12,792
have the planning direction

2252
00:58:12,792 --> 00:58:15,962
comments right now, we can go

2253
00:58:15,962 --> 00:58:16,129
back to it. I can if you like.

2254
00:58:16,129 --> 00:58:17,300
We

2255
00:58:17,300 --> 00:58:17,564
ll come to Vice Mayor

2256
00:58:17,564 --> 00:58:18,131
Heilman and they

2257
00:58:18,131 --> 00:58:19,132
ll come back

2258
00:58:19,132 --> 00:58:19,666
before we move on to the

2259
00:58:19,666 --> 00:58:19,866
planning commission. I

2260
00:58:19,866 --> 00:58:20,667
m sorry

2261
00:58:20,667 --> 00:58:23,690
to cut you off, COUNCILMAN

2262
00:58:23,690 --> 00:58:26,173
Burks. I just wanna be careful,

2263
00:58:26,173 --> 00:58:27,641
get into questions yet. Vice

2264
00:58:27,641 --> 00:58:30,143
Mayor Heilman, thank you, Mayor,

2265
00:58:30,143 --> 00:58:31,110
and, uh, thank you to the staff

2266
00:58:31,110 --> 00:58:32,913
for the great presentation.

2267
00:58:32,913 --> 00:58:35,482
Thank you to the commission and,

2268
00:58:35,482 --> 00:58:38,752
and the members of the public

2269
00:58:38,752 --> 00:58:39,719
who spoke, I wanna go back to

2270
00:58:39,719 --> 00:58:41,719
something that Jennifer

2271
00:58:42,622 --> 00:58:44,224
mentioned having to do with

2272
00:58:44,224 --> 00:58:46,260
what was happening before we

2273
00:58:46,260 --> 00:58:47,928
developed this framework and

2274
00:58:47,928 --> 00:58:50,328
this approach. What would

2275
00:58:50,397 --> 00:58:52,899
happen is a developer would

2276
00:58:52,899 --> 00:58:53,767
come to the city with a project

2277
00:58:53,767 --> 00:58:57,367
and ask for things above what

2278
00:58:57,704 --> 00:58:59,639
the zone. Ordinance allowed and

2279
00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:00,908
they would propose what they

2280
00:59:00,908 --> 00:59:03,844
thought was an ideal public

2281
00:59:03,844 --> 00:59:04,812
benefit. And then they would

2282
00:59:04,812 --> 00:59:06,347
chop around the community to

2283
00:59:06,347 --> 00:59:09,182
try to get other people in the

2284
00:59:09,182 --> 00:59:09,383
community to get on board. It

2285
00:59:09,383 --> 00:59:11,118
wasn

2286
00:59:11,118 --> 00:59:13,220
t necessarily a public

2287
00:59:13,220 --> 00:59:15,455
benefit that the city had

2288
00:59:15,455 --> 00:59:17,390
identified, it was a public

2289
00:59:17,390 --> 00:59:18,826
benefit that the developer

2290
00:59:18,826 --> 00:59:20,260
thought they could utilize to

2291
00:59:20,260 --> 00:59:23,731
get people to come out and

2292
00:59:23,731 --> 00:59:24,932
support the project. Um, and

2293
00:59:24,932 --> 00:59:25,833
frankly, we didn

2294
00:59:25,833 --> 00:59:27,601
t always know

2295
00:59:27,601 --> 00:59:29,637
what the value of that public

2296
00:59:29,637 --> 00:59:31,380
benefit was we didn

2297
00:59:31,380 --> 00:59:33,380
t know the

2298
00:59:33,273 --> 00:59:36,873
value of the extra, uh, density

2299
00:59:37,745 --> 00:59:40,181
or extra height. Um So this

2300
00:59:40,181 --> 00:59:42,581
approach actually is an

2301
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:44,552
approach where the city has

2302
00:59:44,552 --> 00:59:46,200
identified in advance those

2303
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,200
kind of public benefits that,

2304
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:50,791
you know, the council listening

2305
00:59:50,791 --> 00:59:54,195
to the community because we did

2306
00:59:54,195 --> 00:59:56,164
have hearings on this. The

2307
00:59:56,164 --> 00:59:58,132
council has identified these as

2308
00:59:58,132 --> 00:59:58,566
the public benefits that we

2309
00:59:58,566 --> 01:00:00,566
re

2310
01:00:01,502 --> 01:00:03,504
looking for as part of a

2311
01:00:03,504 --> 01:00:04,939
development agreement and

2312
01:00:04,939 --> 01:00:05,606
bringing in the consultant

2313
01:00:05,606 --> 01:00:08,606
using the residual land value

2314
01:00:09,710 --> 01:00:12,146
which is standard in the

2315
01:00:12,146 --> 01:00:13,581
development community using

2316
01:00:13,581 --> 01:00:15,981
that methodology to determine

2317
01:00:15,983 --> 01:00:18,983
how much is the developer

2318
01:00:19,454 --> 01:00:21,789
getting from this extra height,

2319
01:00:21,789 --> 01:00:24,789
extra density or changes and

2320
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,294
then having somebody with the

2321
01:00:27,294 --> 01:00:29,664
expertise to negotiate that

2322
01:00:29,664 --> 01:00:31,990
agreement, um, I think that

2323
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:33,401
makes perfect sense. And the

2324
01:00:33,401 --> 01:00:34,969
question about whether the

2325
01:00:34,969 --> 01:00:36,804
planning commission should be

2326
01:00:36,804 --> 01:00:36,966
involved in that negotiation. I,

2327
01:00:36,966 --> 01:00:38,873
I

2328
01:00:38,873 --> 01:00:41,742
m not even sure the council

2329
01:00:41,742 --> 01:00:43,770
should really be involved in

2330
01:00:43,770 --> 01:00:45,477
that negotiation because our

2331
01:00:46,448 --> 01:00:49,351
role I see as setting the broad

2332
01:00:49,351 --> 01:00:51,420
parameters, making sure that we

2333
01:00:51,420 --> 01:00:53,455
have experts making those

2334
01:00:53,455 --> 01:00:56,455
decisions and having a policy

2335
01:00:57,125 --> 01:00:58,826
in place that is a broad public

2336
01:00:58,826 --> 01:01:00,940
policy with each development

2337
01:01:00,940 --> 01:01:01,529
that comes forward, I

2338
01:01:01,529 --> 01:01:03,529
m not

2339
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,268
aware of the specific costs of

2340
01:01:06,268 --> 01:01:07,336
things that developer is doing.

2341
01:01:07,336 --> 01:01:09,336
Uh, I

2342
01:01:10,672 --> 01:01:12,240
m not aware of how much

2343
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:13,208
in value is associated with

2344
01:01:13,208 --> 01:01:13,366
this greater height, and I

2345
01:01:13,366 --> 01:01:14,175
m

2346
01:01:14,175 --> 01:01:15,143
not, I, I don

2347
01:01:15,143 --> 01:01:17,543
t think it really

2348
01:01:17,912 --> 01:01:21,317
is our role to be involved in

2349
01:01:21,317 --> 01:01:23,752
that give and take, um, I think

2350
01:01:23,752 --> 01:01:26,155
our role is to establish the

2351
01:01:26,155 --> 01:01:27,689
broad broad parameters, so

2352
01:01:27,689 --> 01:01:29,124
maybe I agree with my

2353
01:01:29,124 --> 01:01:29,624
colleagues that it

2354
01:01:29,624 --> 01:01:29,925
s not the

2355
01:01:29,925 --> 01:01:31,925
commission

2356
01:01:32,270 --> 01:01:32,961
s role to be

2357
01:01:32,961 --> 01:01:35,130
involved in that negotiation,

2358
01:01:35,130 --> 01:01:35,286
but I also would add to it, I

2359
01:01:35,286 --> 01:01:35,564
m

2360
01:01:35,564 --> 01:01:37,365
not sure it

2361
01:01:37,365 --> 01:01:38,367
s our role. As the

2362
01:01:38,367 --> 01:01:39,201
council because we don

2363
01:01:39,201 --> 01:01:41,136
t have

2364
01:01:41,136 --> 01:01:41,971
that kind of expertise either

2365
01:01:41,971 --> 01:01:43,572
and frankly we don

2366
01:01:43,572 --> 01:01:45,572
t have all

2367
01:01:46,541 --> 01:01:48,410
of the information for those

2368
01:01:48,410 --> 01:01:51,346
negotiations. The other thing I

2369
01:01:51,346 --> 01:01:54,316
wanted to point out because you

2370
01:01:54,316 --> 01:01:56,152
brought up signage is what was

2371
01:01:56,152 --> 01:01:59,152
happening before we use the

2372
01:01:59,555 --> 01:02:01,490
development, uh, agreement

2373
01:02:01,490 --> 01:02:04,426
process for signs. Before that

2374
01:02:04,426 --> 01:02:05,261
happened, people would come in

2375
01:02:05,261 --> 01:02:08,261
and propose large signs, uh,

2376
01:02:08,797 --> 01:02:10,766
the tall balls The building

2377
01:02:10,766 --> 01:02:13,436
owner would get a lot of money

2378
01:02:13,436 --> 01:02:15,504
from the rental, the Sign

2379
01:02:15,504 --> 01:02:17,340
Company would get a lot of

2380
01:02:17,340 --> 01:02:19,675
money from the signage. And the

2381
01:02:19,675 --> 01:02:22,675
city would get a one-time

2382
01:02:23,812 --> 01:02:24,380
permit fee of about $1500. The

2383
01:02:24,380 --> 01:02:25,247
city didn

2384
01:02:25,247 --> 01:02:27,647
t get anything from

2385
01:02:27,683 --> 01:02:30,220
all of the signage that was

2386
01:02:30,220 --> 01:02:31,721
being approved. Now with the

2387
01:02:31,721 --> 01:02:33,721
development agreement process

2388
01:02:34,157 --> 01:02:36,526
for these signs, there are

2389
01:02:36,526 --> 01:02:39,529
signs where the city is getting

2390
01:02:39,529 --> 01:02:41,929
10 million over 30 years or 30

2391
01:02:42,865 --> 01:02:45,167
million over 30 years. Those

2392
01:02:45,167 --> 01:02:45,601
are extraordinary. Uh, it

2393
01:02:45,601 --> 01:02:46,635
s an

2394
01:02:46,635 --> 01:02:49,500
extraordinary change, um, and I

2395
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:51,441
just want to make sure that as

2396
01:02:51,441 --> 01:02:52,442
we have this conversation about

2397
01:02:52,442 --> 01:02:54,343
development agreements,

2398
01:02:54,343 --> 01:02:56,743
particularly with respect to

2399
01:02:56,779 --> 01:02:58,779
signage, people really

2400
01:02:59,682 --> 01:03:01,217
understand the value that they

2401
01:03:01,217 --> 01:03:03,152
are providing from um

2402
01:03:03,152 --> 01:03:05,588
development. And then my final

2403
01:03:05,588 --> 01:03:08,158
point, uh, I have two final

2404
01:03:08,158 --> 01:03:10,393
points. One, first and foremost

2405
01:03:10,393 --> 01:03:11,928
is, I, I think always the

2406
01:03:11,928 --> 01:03:14,197
decision is Is this project

2407
01:03:14,197 --> 01:03:17,197
good for the city? Putting

2408
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:18,735
aside the, the benefits,

2409
01:03:18,735 --> 01:03:18,901
putting aside the monetary, uh,

2410
01:03:18,901 --> 01:03:20,901
it

2411
01:03:20,970 --> 01:03:23,407
s always got to be, is this

2412
01:03:23,407 --> 01:03:26,900
an appropriate and good project

2413
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:27,911
for the city and then the final

2414
01:03:27,911 --> 01:03:31,147
point is, uh, going back to

2415
01:03:31,147 --> 01:03:34,147
something Brian said, and that

2416
01:03:34,584 --> 01:03:37,587
is uh having this, this tension

2417
01:03:37,587 --> 01:03:38,988
between uh trying to find

2418
01:03:38,988 --> 01:03:40,157
consistency between projects,

2419
01:03:40,157 --> 01:03:40,313
but also making sure we

2420
01:03:40,313 --> 01:03:42,313
re

2421
01:03:42,826 --> 01:03:43,860
evaluating each project. For

2422
01:03:43,860 --> 01:03:44,695
the unique benefit it

2423
01:03:44,695 --> 01:03:46,695
s getting

2424
01:03:47,130 --> 01:03:47,731
and the unique cost of that, so

2425
01:03:47,731 --> 01:03:49,731
we can

2426
01:03:50,300 --> 01:03:53,136
t just say all projects.

2427
01:03:53,136 --> 01:03:54,604
This is the amount or this is

2428
01:03:54,604 --> 01:03:56,606
the percentage because it is

2429
01:03:56,606 --> 01:03:58,976
going to vary from project to

2430
01:03:58,976 --> 01:03:59,743
project based on the cost of

2431
01:03:59,743 --> 01:04:01,512
developing that particular

2432
01:04:01,512 --> 01:04:03,380
project. I would love to have

2433
01:04:03,380 --> 01:04:03,814
consistency, but I just don

2434
01:04:03,814 --> 01:04:04,810
t

2435
01:04:04,810 --> 01:04:05,282
think it

2436
01:04:05,282 --> 01:04:07,282
s possible. The

2437
01:04:07,384 --> 01:04:09,152
framework, however, does give

2438
01:04:09,152 --> 01:04:11,555
us consistency because it looks

2439
01:04:11,555 --> 01:04:13,590
at the residual land value for

2440
01:04:13,590 --> 01:04:14,958
this particular project and

2441
01:04:14,958 --> 01:04:16,894
these extra benefits and that

2442
01:04:16,894 --> 01:04:18,162
gives us the framework for

2443
01:04:18,162 --> 01:04:20,562
negotiating for that particular

2444
01:04:20,964 --> 01:04:21,532
project. Thank you very much.

2445
01:04:21,532 --> 01:04:23,532
Councilmember Meister, I

2446
01:04:25,169 --> 01:04:28,169
believe you had a question 2

2447
01:04:29,706 --> 01:04:32,706
questions. Thank you. Um, uh,

2448
01:04:32,943 --> 01:04:34,879
Lauren, um, First of all,

2449
01:04:34,879 --> 01:04:35,713
conditions of use, that is

2450
01:04:35,713 --> 01:04:37,648
something that planning

2451
01:04:37,648 --> 01:04:39,648
commission decides on?

2452
01:04:40,751 --> 01:04:40,908
Conditions of use. That that

2453
01:04:40,908 --> 01:04:42,653
s

2454
01:04:42,653 --> 01:04:43,687
in a project, conditions of use,

2455
01:04:43,687 --> 01:04:44,555
right? That

2456
01:04:44,555 --> 01:04:45,550
s in every project,

2457
01:04:45,550 --> 01:04:46,123
whether it

2458
01:04:46,123 --> 01:04:46,523
s a whether it

2459
01:04:46,523 --> 01:04:48,523
s a,

2460
01:04:50,828 --> 01:04:52,863
a, a da project or a or a just

2461
01:04:52,863 --> 01:04:53,200
a standard project, right? It

2462
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:53,764
s

2463
01:04:53,764 --> 01:04:54,899
usually about compatibility to

2464
01:04:54,899 --> 01:04:57,234
make sure that the uses that

2465
01:04:57,234 --> 01:04:57,968
are going to be established on

2466
01:04:57,968 --> 01:04:59,236
the site are compatible and

2467
01:04:59,236 --> 01:05:00,671
done in a way that complies

2468
01:05:00,671 --> 01:05:01,105
with code and doesn

2469
01:05:01,105 --> 01:05:02,706
t create

2470
01:05:02,706 --> 01:05:05,476
harm, but also the conditions,

2471
01:05:05,476 --> 01:05:08,146
I mean, you know, a a a a store

2472
01:05:08,146 --> 01:05:09,280
is open from 9 A.M. Till 9:00

2473
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,716
P.M. And this is open till 3

2474
01:05:11,716 --> 01:05:14,652
till. 7 and, and this is how

2475
01:05:14,652 --> 01:05:16,987
they have to drive in and, and

2476
01:05:16,987 --> 01:05:18,422
ingress, egress. So why would

2477
01:05:18,422 --> 01:05:18,956
that be any different for a

2478
01:05:18,956 --> 01:05:19,890
project that

2479
01:05:19,890 --> 01:05:21,425
s getting a

2480
01:05:21,425 --> 01:05:23,425
development agreement, for

2481
01:05:24,428 --> 01:05:24,795
example, uh, John

2482
01:05:24,795 --> 01:05:26,765
s example of

2483
01:05:26,765 --> 01:05:28,600
the how long the museum is open.

2484
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,536
Why would that be any different

2485
01:05:31,536 --> 01:05:32,503
than if we were making or or

2486
01:05:32,503 --> 01:05:32,937
planning commission we

2487
01:05:32,937 --> 01:05:34,405
re

2488
01:05:34,405 --> 01:05:37,405
making a decision about whether,

2489
01:05:37,942 --> 01:05:39,477
you know, uh uh this the uh the

2490
01:05:39,477 --> 01:05:39,710
skate store should be open past

2491
01:05:39,710 --> 01:05:41,710
9. O

2492
01:05:41,879 --> 01:05:42,681
c lock at night. Well,

2493
01:05:42,681 --> 01:05:42,848
first of all, we

2494
01:05:42,848 --> 01:05:43,582
re, we

2495
01:05:43,582 --> 01:05:45,582
re not

2496
01:05:47,218 --> 01:05:48,720
here to talk about specific um

2497
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,288
DAs or specific provisions of

2498
01:05:50,288 --> 01:05:52,688
specific projects that have

2499
01:05:53,458 --> 01:05:56,458
been hours of operation example.

2500
01:05:58,262 --> 01:05:58,863
You know, some uses in the code,

2501
01:05:58,863 --> 01:06:00,232
um, specifically have

2502
01:06:00,232 --> 01:06:01,266
restrictions in them, the time

2503
01:06:01,266 --> 01:06:03,168
that they

2504
01:06:03,168 --> 01:06:04,736
re open is regulated,

2505
01:06:04,736 --> 01:06:05,837
um, yes, we, we were always

2506
01:06:05,837 --> 01:06:06,704
looking at land use and

2507
01:06:06,704 --> 01:06:07,672
compatibility. I think the

2508
01:06:07,672 --> 01:06:08,540
point is that you

2509
01:06:08,540 --> 01:06:09,941
re looking at

2510
01:06:09,941 --> 01:06:12,277
the land use, and that is what

2511
01:06:12,277 --> 01:06:12,437
is in the planning commission

2512
01:06:12,437 --> 01:06:13,778
s

2513
01:06:13,778 --> 01:06:15,380
purview. How, how these things

2514
01:06:15,380 --> 01:06:15,546
function, how they look, how

2515
01:06:15,546 --> 01:06:16,681
it

2516
01:06:16,681 --> 01:06:18,183
s complying with the funeral

2517
01:06:18,183 --> 01:06:18,383
plan and the zoning ordinance.

2518
01:06:18,383 --> 01:06:20,383
That

2519
01:06:21,530 --> 01:06:22,220
s sort of the the greater

2520
01:06:22,220 --> 01:06:24,890
land use authority. Sometimes

2521
01:06:24,890 --> 01:06:24,589
that means that you

2522
01:06:24,589 --> 01:06:25,490
re imposing

2523
01:06:25,490 --> 01:06:26,910
conditions on operations.

2524
01:06:26,910 --> 01:06:26,358
Sometimes it means you

2525
01:06:26,358 --> 01:06:27,392
re

2526
01:06:27,392 --> 01:06:28,260
imposing conditions on how

2527
01:06:28,260 --> 01:06:28,360
something looks, but it

2528
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:28,826
s in

2529
01:06:28,826 --> 01:06:30,826
the, it

2530
01:06:31,696 --> 01:06:32,664
s all under the broader

2531
01:06:32,664 --> 01:06:33,331
category of land it

2532
01:06:33,331 --> 01:06:35,331
s a project

2533
01:06:36,101 --> 01:06:36,301
with the da or a project that

2534
01:06:36,301 --> 01:06:37,603
doesn

2535
01:06:37,603 --> 01:06:39,940
t have a da, the, the

2536
01:06:39,940 --> 01:06:41,940
process should be the same and

2537
01:06:41,940 --> 01:06:42,841
the decision making abilities

2538
01:06:42,841 --> 01:06:45,430
of the planning commission

2539
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:45,477
should be the same in terms of

2540
01:06:45,477 --> 01:06:45,777
that stuff. I

2541
01:06:45,777 --> 01:06:47,777
m not talking

2542
01:06:49,470 --> 01:06:50,715
about the the actual financial.

2543
01:06:50,715 --> 01:06:52,485
The only thing I would say is

2544
01:06:52,485 --> 01:06:53,519
that, um, I don

2545
01:06:53,519 --> 01:06:55,454
t know that we

2546
01:06:55,454 --> 01:06:56,857
regulate the hours of

2547
01:06:56,857 --> 01:06:58,390
operations of museums generally.

2548
01:06:58,390 --> 01:07:00,292
So in that context, it MAY have

2549
01:07:00,292 --> 01:07:01,760
been different if if it was

2550
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:02,361
just a museum coming before the

2551
01:07:02,361 --> 01:07:02,518
planning commission. I don

2552
01:07:02,518 --> 01:07:04,196
t

2553
01:07:04,196 --> 01:07:05,130
know if there would have been a

2554
01:07:05,130 --> 01:07:06,598
discussion about hours of

2555
01:07:06,598 --> 01:07:06,798
operation because the code

2556
01:07:06,798 --> 01:07:07,320
doesn

2557
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:07,532
t, doesn

2558
01:07:07,532 --> 01:07:08,660
t limit them.

2559
01:07:08,660 --> 01:07:09,167
The code doesn

2560
01:07:09,167 --> 01:07:10,136
t talk about

2561
01:07:10,136 --> 01:07:10,403
that. Again, I, I really don

2562
01:07:10,403 --> 01:07:12,104
t

2563
01:07:12,104 --> 01:07:13,105
want to get into specifics

2564
01:07:13,105 --> 01:07:13,263
about specific projects, that

2565
01:07:13,263 --> 01:07:14,506
s

2566
01:07:14,506 --> 01:07:14,740
just what comes to mind for me.

2567
01:07:14,740 --> 01:07:15,541
I don

2568
01:07:15,541 --> 01:07:16,842
t know if a, if a

2569
01:07:16,842 --> 01:07:17,609
standalone museum. Came before

2570
01:07:17,609 --> 01:07:20,900
the planning commission, would

2571
01:07:20,112 --> 01:07:22,470
there be a discussion of ours?

2572
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:22,981
Depends what I

2573
01:07:22,981 --> 01:07:24,981
m just saying

2574
01:07:25,517 --> 01:07:26,818
whatever use it is, that would

2575
01:07:26,818 --> 01:07:28,321
be a consideration of the

2576
01:07:28,321 --> 01:07:30,223
planning commission when they

2577
01:07:30,223 --> 01:07:33,159
look at a project. I, I think

2578
01:07:33,159 --> 01:07:35,600
the issue was that the public

2579
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:36,628
benefit was a museum open a

2580
01:07:36,628 --> 01:07:39,628
certain number of hours, not

2581
01:07:40,899 --> 01:07:42,968
really a, a regulation of how

2582
01:07:42,968 --> 01:07:45,338
many hours the museum could be

2583
01:07:45,338 --> 01:07:47,140
open, so I, I think it was a

2584
01:07:47,140 --> 01:07:48,674
condition of the development.

2585
01:07:48,674 --> 01:07:51,544
Agreement that they provide a

2586
01:07:51,544 --> 01:07:52,978
museum that was open to the

2587
01:07:52,978 --> 01:07:54,880
public during certain hours and

2588
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:55,414
I think it is a little bit

2589
01:07:55,414 --> 01:07:56,849
tricky because it

2590
01:07:56,849 --> 01:07:58,849
s similar to

2591
01:07:59,251 --> 01:08:01,286
those kind of conditions where

2592
01:08:01,286 --> 01:08:03,189
we would limit the hours of

2593
01:08:03,189 --> 01:08:05,558
operation. This was about how

2594
01:08:05,558 --> 01:08:07,493
many hours would they be open

2595
01:08:07,493 --> 01:08:09,280
as a part of that public

2596
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:10,930
benefit and wanting more, so it

2597
01:08:10,930 --> 01:08:13,332
was about the public benefit

2598
01:08:13,332 --> 01:08:14,333
piece, not actual land use

2599
01:08:14,333 --> 01:08:15,701
operations. Got it. All right,

2600
01:08:15,701 --> 01:08:18,701
well, thank you for clarifying

2601
01:08:19,605 --> 01:08:20,740
that. And then um, when the

2602
01:08:20,740 --> 01:08:23,740
planning commission looks at a

2603
01:08:23,943 --> 01:08:24,878
a project with the da. They are

2604
01:08:24,878 --> 01:08:27,680
not making the decision about

2605
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,680
it, right? They are usually

2606
01:08:30,883 --> 01:08:31,840
making a recommendation.

2607
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:31,817
They

2608
01:08:31,817 --> 01:08:33,986
re always making a

2609
01:08:33,986 --> 01:08:36,789
recommendation to us, so. So

2610
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:37,858
then they are not deciding

2611
01:08:37,858 --> 01:08:40,258
something they are recommending

2612
01:08:40,293 --> 01:08:42,228
and That recommendation could

2613
01:08:42,228 --> 01:08:42,696
be we could take it or leave it,

2614
01:08:42,696 --> 01:08:44,631
but it

2615
01:08:44,631 --> 01:08:45,631
s not a final decision.

2616
01:08:45,631 --> 01:08:47,200
For a development agreement,

2617
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,736
that is true. Ok, thank you.

2618
01:08:49,736 --> 01:08:50,690
Thank you, thank you.. 01 more

2619
01:08:50,690 --> 01:08:50,970
and then we

2620
01:08:50,970 --> 01:08:51,571
re moving on. I

2621
01:08:51,571 --> 01:08:52,505
think what I

2622
01:08:52,505 --> 01:08:54,730
m hearing in the

2623
01:08:54,730 --> 01:08:56,577
conflict and in the staff

2624
01:08:56,577 --> 01:08:56,944
report though is that that

2625
01:08:56,944 --> 01:08:58,944
disconnect isn

2626
01:09:00,513 --> 01:09:02,513
t clear. Correct

2627
01:09:02,582 --> 01:09:04,500
That yes, it is a

2628
01:09:04,500 --> 01:09:04,209
recommendation. However, what

2629
01:09:04,209 --> 01:09:05,485
I

2630
01:09:05,485 --> 01:09:08,485
m reading in your public

2631
01:09:09,722 --> 01:09:12,158
document is that you have

2632
01:09:12,158 --> 01:09:13,293
commissions, commissioners

2633
01:09:13,293 --> 01:09:14,661
engaging in potential page 20

2634
01:09:14,661 --> 01:09:15,529
whatever it is, I

2635
01:09:15,529 --> 01:09:17,529
m 29. Thank

2636
01:09:18,598 --> 01:09:21,201
you very much, Vice Mayor. Uh,

2637
01:09:21,201 --> 01:09:24,337
that, uh, you, you, you let me

2638
01:09:24,337 --> 01:09:27,337
down. Sorry, um, that, that

2639
01:09:28,441 --> 01:09:29,809
there is um is that you are

2640
01:09:29,809 --> 01:09:30,344
experiencing that difficulty

2641
01:09:30,344 --> 01:09:32,279
because I

2642
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:32,713
m slide 22, you are,

2643
01:09:32,713 --> 01:09:34,713
and I

2644
01:09:35,716 --> 01:09:37,217
ve watched it happen, um,

2645
01:09:37,217 --> 01:09:39,217
dealing with potential

2646
01:09:39,486 --> 01:09:40,454
negotiation strategies out of

2647
01:09:40,454 --> 01:09:42,422
planning commission hearing

2648
01:09:42,422 --> 01:09:43,857
after months and months of

2649
01:09:43,857 --> 01:09:45,325
negotiations in the public

2650
01:09:45,325 --> 01:09:45,525
benefit that could weaken the

2651
01:09:45,525 --> 01:09:46,927
city

2652
01:09:46,927 --> 01:09:48,295
s position and financial

2653
01:09:48,295 --> 01:09:48,452
standing. And so I think that

2654
01:09:48,452 --> 01:09:48,662
s

2655
01:09:48,662 --> 01:09:50,164
what you

2656
01:09:50,164 --> 01:09:51,699
re asking us to give

2657
01:09:51,699 --> 01:09:53,434
you very clear direction on

2658
01:09:53,434 --> 01:09:53,634
here tonight. Right? I mean,

2659
01:09:53,634 --> 01:09:54,334
that

2660
01:09:54,334 --> 01:09:55,736
s one of your questions so

2661
01:09:55,736 --> 01:09:58,672
I can answer the question, yes,

2662
01:09:58,672 --> 01:10:01,575
for you, but I, I think one of

2663
01:10:01,575 --> 01:10:03,510
the points of this slide was to

2664
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:05,120
point out that what is in a

2665
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:06,380
agenda packet is the result of

2666
01:10:06,380 --> 01:10:06,581
a long process, right? And so

2667
01:10:06,581 --> 01:10:08,349
there

2668
01:10:08,349 --> 01:10:09,417
s lots of back and forth

2669
01:10:09,417 --> 01:10:10,818
that happens with negotiations.

2670
01:10:10,818 --> 01:10:11,952
Things are proposed, things are

2671
01:10:11,952 --> 01:10:13,387
rejected. City pushes back.

2672
01:10:13,387 --> 01:10:13,854
They, you know, developer

2673
01:10:13,854 --> 01:10:14,221
pushes back. So it

2674
01:10:14,221 --> 01:10:15,656
s, it

2675
01:10:15,656 --> 01:10:15,823
s a,

2676
01:10:15,823 --> 01:10:16,590
it

2677
01:10:16,590 --> 01:10:18,125
s a long process where

2678
01:10:18,125 --> 01:10:20,560
things have been considered and

2679
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:21,195
rejected and so at the very end

2680
01:10:21,195 --> 01:10:21,395
to get questions, well why

2681
01:10:21,395 --> 01:10:22,620
didn

2682
01:10:22,620 --> 01:10:22,229
t you ask for this? Why

2683
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:23,498
don

2684
01:10:23,498 --> 01:10:23,965
t you ask for that? It

2685
01:10:23,965 --> 01:10:24,499
s,

2686
01:10:24,499 --> 01:10:25,900
it, they

2687
01:10:25,900 --> 01:10:26,901
re hard things to

2688
01:10:26,901 --> 01:10:28,135
answer in the moment because of

2689
01:10:28,135 --> 01:10:28,302
the long process. And what

2690
01:10:28,302 --> 01:10:29,136
you

2691
01:10:29,136 --> 01:10:29,296
re saying to us and what

2692
01:10:29,296 --> 01:10:30,738
I

2693
01:10:30,738 --> 01:10:31,772
m reading here is they are

2694
01:10:31,772 --> 01:10:34,172
not involved in the

2695
01:10:35,676 --> 01:10:36,744
negotiations. They are involved

2696
01:10:36,744 --> 01:10:37,778
in recommendations on land use

2697
01:10:37,778 --> 01:10:38,813
policy, but they are not

2698
01:10:38,813 --> 01:10:40,480
involved with the planning

2699
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:43,480
commission being the grand they,

2700
01:10:43,117 --> 01:10:44,585
the the negotiations you are

2701
01:10:44,585 --> 01:10:45,753
having with the developer and a

2702
01:10:45,753 --> 01:10:47,755
development agreement. I think

2703
01:10:47,755 --> 01:10:48,989
Jennifer gave a really good

2704
01:10:48,989 --> 01:10:52,589
discussion on one of the slides

2705
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,595
of sort of a Overall, um,

2706
01:10:54,595 --> 01:10:55,262
description of how to look at

2707
01:10:55,262 --> 01:10:56,897
planning commission purview and

2708
01:10:56,897 --> 01:10:57,899
it might be helpful if she says

2709
01:10:57,899 --> 01:11:01,499
it again because I, I thought

2710
01:11:03,838 --> 01:11:04,272
she worded it really well. Um

2711
01:11:04,272 --> 01:11:04,539
So I think I, I

2712
01:11:04,539 --> 01:11:04,697
m gonna, I

2713
01:11:04,697 --> 01:11:06,697
m

2714
01:11:07,708 --> 01:11:07,975
gonna add like here. As long as

2715
01:11:07,975 --> 01:11:09,975
the mic

2716
01:11:13,314 --> 01:11:16,314
s on. Not yet. Almost.

2717
01:11:16,818 --> 01:11:18,253
How about now? Ok. So I think

2718
01:11:18,253 --> 01:11:20,455
what um what Lauren is

2719
01:11:20,455 --> 01:11:21,456
referring to is that The

2720
01:11:21,456 --> 01:11:23,856
planning commission is looking

2721
01:11:23,925 --> 01:11:24,125
at the totality of the project.

2722
01:11:24,125 --> 01:11:24,626
They

2723
01:11:24,626 --> 01:11:25,827
re looking at everything

2724
01:11:25,827 --> 01:11:27,795
that it took to get to the

2725
01:11:27,795 --> 01:11:27,958
place where we are. And we

2726
01:11:27,958 --> 01:11:29,958
re

2727
01:11:30,231 --> 01:11:31,132
looking for direction correct,

2728
01:11:31,132 --> 01:11:32,701
Councilmember Erickson from the

2729
01:11:32,701 --> 01:11:35,103
council and what that entails

2730
01:11:35,103 --> 01:11:37,500
and what pieces and parts to

2731
01:11:37,500 --> 01:11:38,640
take into consideration, but,

2732
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:38,873
and to Vice Mayor Hellman

2733
01:11:38,873 --> 01:11:40,842
s

2734
01:11:40,842 --> 01:11:41,376
point is the project a good

2735
01:11:41,376 --> 01:11:42,377
idea if you

2736
01:11:42,377 --> 01:11:44,777
re thinking of the,

2737
01:11:45,180 --> 01:11:46,347
the project itself, the package

2738
01:11:46,347 --> 01:11:47,782
of public benefits and, and all

2739
01:11:47,782 --> 01:11:48,883
of the pieces and parts that go

2740
01:11:48,883 --> 01:11:50,952
into it that have been

2741
01:11:50,952 --> 01:11:52,421
negotiated in that very length.

2742
01:11:52,421 --> 01:11:54,821
The process, um, understanding

2743
01:11:54,890 --> 01:11:57,726
that there is also a value to

2744
01:11:57,726 --> 01:11:59,294
time and to, you know, wanting

2745
01:11:59,294 --> 01:11:59,761
to get projects forward,

2746
01:11:59,761 --> 01:12:00,161
particularly when we

2747
01:12:00,161 --> 01:12:02,970
re talking

2748
01:12:02,970 --> 01:12:02,697
about the sunset Arts and

2749
01:12:02,697 --> 01:12:03,565
advertising and we

2750
01:12:03,565 --> 01:12:05,565
ve had

2751
01:12:05,967 --> 01:12:07,101
direction to keep them moving

2752
01:12:07,101 --> 01:12:08,971
forward and going back to the

2753
01:12:08,971 --> 01:12:10,572
drawing board on some of these

2754
01:12:10,572 --> 01:12:11,807
things can take time, um, and

2755
01:12:11,807 --> 01:12:12,975
can delay projects from moving

2756
01:12:12,975 --> 01:12:15,244
forward. So does that cover

2757
01:12:15,244 --> 01:12:16,678
what? Ok. Thank you. Thank you

2758
01:12:16,678 --> 01:12:16,839
so much. I wanted to, um, I

2759
01:12:16,839 --> 01:12:17,712
m

2760
01:12:17,712 --> 01:12:17,946
gonna pick up the comments and

2761
01:12:17,946 --> 01:12:18,980
then I

2762
01:12:18,980 --> 01:12:20,415
m going to move us to

2763
01:12:20,415 --> 01:12:21,483
the planning commission.

2764
01:12:21,483 --> 01:12:23,785
Council will have another

2765
01:12:23,785 --> 01:12:24,452
opportunity to speak at the end,

2766
01:12:24,452 --> 01:12:25,221
um, or towards the end because

2767
01:12:25,221 --> 01:12:26,255
he knows if that will be the

2768
01:12:26,255 --> 01:12:27,656
end, we MAY come back to

2769
01:12:27,656 --> 01:12:30,920
planning, but I do want to just

2770
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:31,260
say for myself, um, there was

2771
01:12:31,260 --> 01:12:32,610
this idea of certainty, and I

2772
01:12:32,610 --> 01:12:33,595
think that MAY have also been

2773
01:12:33,595 --> 01:12:35,464
what you were talking about,

2774
01:12:35,464 --> 01:12:36,631
Vice Mayor Heilman. Um, I

2775
01:12:36,631 --> 01:12:38,100
certainly understand that there

2776
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:38,967
is certainty through these

2777
01:12:38,967 --> 01:12:40,902
evaluation tools, and it was, I

2778
01:12:40,902 --> 01:12:42,371
think, a question of what sort

2779
01:12:42,371 --> 01:12:43,239
of certainty the council is

2780
01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:44,707
getting based on these projects.

2781
01:12:44,707 --> 01:12:45,641
We have no certainty what the

2782
01:12:45,641 --> 01:12:47,943
future will hold, but I think

2783
01:12:47,943 --> 01:12:48,911
the idea is when we lock in

2784
01:12:48,911 --> 01:12:49,111
these uh development agreements,

2785
01:12:49,111 --> 01:12:49,912
that

2786
01:12:49,912 --> 01:12:50,770
s the certainty we

2787
01:12:50,770 --> 01:12:51,380
re

2788
01:12:51,380 --> 01:12:53,820
committing to at that time.

2789
01:12:53,820 --> 01:12:55,684
That is the best understanding,

2790
01:12:55,684 --> 01:12:57,152
the best set of certainties we

2791
01:12:57,152 --> 01:12:58,387
can uh share with confidence to

2792
01:12:58,387 --> 01:12:58,654
the community. And, and that

2793
01:12:58,654 --> 01:12:58,854
s,

2794
01:12:58,854 --> 01:12:59,789
that

2795
01:12:59,789 --> 01:13:01,724
s the reality. Everything

2796
01:13:01,724 --> 01:13:01,891
else is sort of unknown as

2797
01:13:01,891 --> 01:13:02,959
we

2798
01:13:02,959 --> 01:13:03,559
ve learned with our own

2799
01:13:03,559 --> 01:13:05,428
projects that we

2800
01:13:05,428 --> 01:13:06,896
ve taken up on

2801
01:13:06,896 --> 01:13:07,429
our own city dime that it

2802
01:13:07,429 --> 01:13:08,898
s

2803
01:13:08,898 --> 01:13:09,640
hard to project certainty when

2804
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:09,899
we

2805
01:13:09,899 --> 01:13:10,900
re talking about developing

2806
01:13:10,900 --> 01:13:11,100
something big and massive, and

2807
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:12,801
that

2808
01:13:12,801 --> 01:13:14,103
s sort of an ok reality

2809
01:13:14,103 --> 01:13:15,637
and the the best opportunity

2810
01:13:15,637 --> 01:13:16,305
have to create certainty is in

2811
01:13:16,305 --> 01:13:16,972
these development agreements,

2812
01:13:16,972 --> 01:13:18,741
so I just wanted to speak to

2813
01:13:18,741 --> 01:13:19,642
that idea of certainty that I

2814
01:13:19,642 --> 01:13:21,344
understand. And then the other

2815
01:13:21,344 --> 01:13:22,378
piece, getting back to the

2816
01:13:22,378 --> 01:13:23,846
conversation we just had. I

2817
01:13:23,846 --> 01:13:25,214
heard this when we were

2818
01:13:25,214 --> 01:13:26,182
discussing slide 18, and it, it

2819
01:13:26,182 --> 01:13:28,317
caught me in a way I had to

2820
01:13:28,317 --> 01:13:30,860
write it down. Sometimes

2821
01:13:30,860 --> 01:13:31,754
feedback at, you know, the

2822
01:13:31,754 --> 01:13:33,522
Sunset Arts and advertisement

2823
01:13:33,522 --> 01:13:34,624
subcommittee takes 8 to 10

2824
01:13:34,624 --> 01:13:36,426
months to process. Those are

2825
01:13:36,426 --> 01:13:38,426
specific numbers, 8 to 10

2826
01:13:38,862 --> 01:13:39,829
months to process, and if that

2827
01:13:39,829 --> 01:13:40,930
information at that

2828
01:13:40,930 --> 01:13:42,832
subcommittee level is going to

2829
01:13:42,832 --> 01:13:43,766
a commission level then coming

2830
01:13:43,766 --> 01:13:44,167
to us to who knows what. That

2831
01:13:44,167 --> 01:13:44,801
s

2832
01:13:44,801 --> 01:13:45,201
the thing I don

2833
01:13:45,201 --> 01:13:45,601
t really

2834
01:13:45,601 --> 01:13:46,350
understand and I

2835
01:13:46,350 --> 01:13:47,203
m trying to

2836
01:13:47,203 --> 01:13:48,971
wrap my head around. And when

2837
01:13:48,971 --> 01:13:49,205
we ask ourselves what are

2838
01:13:49,205 --> 01:13:49,972
council

2839
01:13:49,972 --> 01:13:51,340
s priorities, I think

2840
01:13:51,340 --> 01:13:53,243
our city shares the same

2841
01:13:53,243 --> 01:13:56,243
priority and seeing things get

2842
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:57,280
done, and that sort of

2843
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,649
miredness down in process

2844
01:13:59,649 --> 01:13:59,849
without a lot of understanding

2845
01:13:59,849 --> 01:14:01,117
what

2846
01:14:01,117 --> 01:14:01,985
s happening or why a set

2847
01:14:01,985 --> 01:14:03,619
of recommendations from such a

2848
01:14:03,619 --> 01:14:05,888
small group of people became

2849
01:14:05,888 --> 01:14:06,956
such a huge scope of work and

2850
01:14:06,956 --> 01:14:08,390
undertaking for, you know, one

2851
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:08,758
of our partners in the

2852
01:14:08,758 --> 01:14:09,325
community that

2853
01:14:09,325 --> 01:14:10,861
s coming to us

2854
01:14:10,861 --> 01:14:11,828
to get the best value and

2855
01:14:11,828 --> 01:14:12,996
opportunity, not just for

2856
01:14:12,996 --> 01:14:13,163
themselves but for our city.

2857
01:14:13,163 --> 01:14:14,230
We

2858
01:14:14,230 --> 01:14:15,650
re losing out. When

2859
01:14:15,650 --> 01:14:16,499
something is sitting at a

2860
01:14:16,499 --> 01:14:17,467
subcommittee or taking 8 to 10

2861
01:14:17,467 --> 01:14:18,968
months after that point, just

2862
01:14:18,968 --> 01:14:19,536
before it moves on in the

2863
01:14:19,536 --> 01:14:19,936
process. So that

2864
01:14:19,936 --> 01:14:20,136
s the part of

2865
01:14:20,136 --> 01:14:21,338
it I

2866
01:14:21,338 --> 01:14:21,704
m trying to wrap my head

2867
01:14:21,704 --> 01:14:22,138
around when we

2868
01:14:22,138 --> 01:14:23,472
re asking what

2869
01:14:23,472 --> 01:14:24,374
we want out of this long term

2870
01:14:24,374 --> 01:14:24,874
and the part I

2871
01:14:24,874 --> 01:14:25,741
m really sitting

2872
01:14:25,741 --> 01:14:26,242
with when I

2873
01:14:26,242 --> 01:14:27,644
m trying to

2874
01:14:27,644 --> 01:14:29,279
understand what, you know, we

2875
01:14:29,279 --> 01:14:29,439
want to see moving forward, so

2876
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:30,147
I

2877
01:14:30,147 --> 01:14:30,305
ll leave it at that. I

2878
01:14:30,305 --> 01:14:31,181
m

2879
01:14:31,181 --> 01:14:31,915
going to move us to the

2880
01:14:31,915 --> 01:14:32,149
planning commission. You

2881
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:33,750
ve all

2882
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:35,118
been very patient waiting for

2883
01:14:35,118 --> 01:14:36,486
your opportunity to speak, so I

2884
01:14:36,486 --> 01:14:36,645
appreciate it. And if I can,

2885
01:14:36,645 --> 01:14:37,620
I

2886
01:14:37,620 --> 01:14:38,922
ll start with Cha Lombardi to

2887
01:14:38,922 --> 01:14:39,790
get us started. You often don

2888
01:14:39,790 --> 01:14:40,560
t

2889
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:40,891
get to speak first in your role

2890
01:14:40,891 --> 01:14:41,391
as chair, so if that

2891
01:14:41,391 --> 01:14:41,547
s ok, I

2892
01:14:41,547 --> 01:14:42,425
ll

2893
01:14:42,425 --> 01:14:42,692
start with you and then we

2894
01:14:42,692 --> 01:14:44,692
ll

2895
01:14:47,664 --> 01:14:49,700
move down the row. Great. Thank

2896
01:14:49,700 --> 01:14:51,635
you, Mayor Byers, and um I, I

2897
01:14:51,635 --> 01:14:51,902
first want to start out by

2898
01:14:51,902 --> 01:14:53,690
saying I

2899
01:14:53,690 --> 01:14:53,236
m really happy that

2900
01:14:53,236 --> 01:14:54,705
we

2901
01:14:54,705 --> 01:14:55,572
re having this conversation

2902
01:14:55,572 --> 01:14:55,939
today. Um, I

2903
01:14:55,939 --> 01:14:57,440
ve really been

2904
01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:59,275
hoping for a while that my

2905
01:14:59,275 --> 01:15:01,311
colleagues on the planning

2906
01:15:01,311 --> 01:15:02,980
commission can get um some,

2907
01:15:02,980 --> 01:15:04,281
some clarity on these very

2908
01:15:04,281 --> 01:15:04,438
complicated matters, so I

2909
01:15:04,438 --> 01:15:05,649
m

2910
01:15:05,649 --> 01:15:05,809
really grateful um that we

2911
01:15:05,809 --> 01:15:06,417
re

2912
01:15:06,417 --> 01:15:07,685
having this conversation today

2913
01:15:07,685 --> 01:15:09,987
with the mayor, Vice mayor,

2914
01:15:09,987 --> 01:15:12,623
city council, and also I wanna

2915
01:15:12,623 --> 01:15:13,590
thank staff for having a very

2916
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:15,926
nice presentation today to help

2917
01:15:15,926 --> 01:15:16,900
the uh guide our discussion. Um,

2918
01:15:16,900 --> 01:15:18,280
I

2919
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:20,331
ll just start with like a few

2920
01:15:20,331 --> 01:15:21,832
sort of more high level um

2921
01:15:21,832 --> 01:15:23,934
things and I guess I could also

2922
01:15:23,934 --> 01:15:25,669
maybe ask a question that MAY

2923
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:26,637
lead to some discussion too.

2924
01:15:26,637 --> 01:15:27,338
And then I

2925
01:15:27,338 --> 01:15:29,540
ll let my colleagues

2926
01:15:29,540 --> 01:15:32,376
handle the, the bulk of the

2927
01:15:32,376 --> 01:15:34,778
conversation. Um, so first of

2928
01:15:34,778 --> 01:15:36,913
all, um, it is hard for the

2929
01:15:36,913 --> 01:15:37,215
planning commission when we

2930
01:15:37,215 --> 01:15:38,649
re

2931
01:15:38,649 --> 01:15:39,350
trying to review these

2932
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:40,618
complicated matters to

2933
01:15:40,618 --> 01:15:43,180
understand where, where the

2934
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,523
line is. Um, one thing that has

2935
01:15:45,523 --> 01:15:47,391
appeared to be of help to me is

2936
01:15:47,391 --> 01:15:49,460
it the fact that we get that

2937
01:15:49,460 --> 01:15:50,461
time with the community to hear

2938
01:15:50,461 --> 01:15:51,428
from them, and they

2939
01:15:51,428 --> 01:15:52,930
re usually

2940
01:15:52,930 --> 01:15:54,465
more digestible meetings, um,

2941
01:15:54,465 --> 01:15:57,340
in that our agenda tends to be

2942
01:15:57,340 --> 01:15:59,300
smaller, so My thought to date

2943
01:15:59,300 --> 01:15:59,971
has been that that actually is

2944
01:15:59,971 --> 01:16:01,906
quite helpful for maybe queuing

2945
01:16:01,906 --> 01:16:02,907
things up for city council. Or

2946
01:16:02,907 --> 01:16:03,474
it gets complicated as some of

2947
01:16:03,474 --> 01:16:03,874
the other matters we

2948
01:16:03,874 --> 01:16:04,942
ve been

2949
01:16:04,942 --> 01:16:06,377
talking about today, which is

2950
01:16:06,377 --> 01:16:08,446
what are, what are we opining

2951
01:16:08,446 --> 01:16:10,948
on and what is our, our purview.

2952
01:16:10,948 --> 01:16:13,170
Um, I, I just want to make a

2953
01:16:13,170 --> 01:16:15,286
note um on, on sassy. I think

2954
01:16:15,286 --> 01:16:16,221
this is uh the Sunset Arts and

2955
01:16:16,221 --> 01:16:17,855
advertising subcommittee, one

2956
01:16:17,855 --> 01:16:19,123
of the challenges just so that

2957
01:16:19,123 --> 01:16:20,358
everyone here is uh reminded

2958
01:16:20,358 --> 01:16:22,260
and most of you probably are

2959
01:16:22,260 --> 01:16:25,290
aware, there are a lot of times

2960
01:16:25,290 --> 01:16:26,897
where projects will come to the

2961
01:16:26,897 --> 01:16:28,132
subcommittee that are very,

2962
01:16:28,132 --> 01:16:30,802
very different than uh the

2963
01:16:30,802 --> 01:16:32,236
award that was granted. And so

2964
01:16:32,236 --> 01:16:34,172
sometimes it can be on the

2965
01:16:34,172 --> 01:16:34,906
applicants and that things get

2966
01:16:34,906 --> 01:16:35,273
delayed, although I

2967
01:16:35,273 --> 01:16:35,475
m sure

2968
01:16:35,475 --> 01:16:36,608
there

2969
01:16:36,608 --> 01:16:38,142
s both sides to many of

2970
01:16:38,142 --> 01:16:39,978
these stories, but in some of

2971
01:16:39,978 --> 01:16:40,144
the extreme instances, I know

2972
01:16:40,144 --> 01:16:41,646
we

2973
01:16:41,646 --> 01:16:43,414
ve seen a couple of projects

2974
01:16:43,414 --> 01:16:44,849
that have come back in

2975
01:16:44,849 --> 01:16:46,484
completely different iterations

2976
01:16:46,484 --> 01:16:49,387
from the first round, which was

2977
01:16:49,387 --> 01:16:51,423
different than the awarded. To

2978
01:16:51,423 --> 01:16:51,623
the updated round again. Um, so

2979
01:16:51,623 --> 01:16:52,424
that

2980
01:16:52,424 --> 01:16:54,824
s something that can

2981
01:16:55,193 --> 01:16:56,628
sometimes cause delay in those

2982
01:16:56,628 --> 01:16:57,362
ultimately development

2983
01:16:57,362 --> 01:16:57,562
agreements happening, but if

2984
01:16:57,562 --> 01:16:58,764
there

2985
01:16:58,764 --> 01:17:01,764
s a way to streamline

2986
01:17:01,966 --> 01:17:02,934
some of this, I would be really,

2987
01:17:02,934 --> 01:17:03,935
um, would be really helpful, I

2988
01:17:03,935 --> 01:17:04,936
think for us to understand what

2989
01:17:04,936 --> 01:17:07,139
we should look at and what we

2990
01:17:07,139 --> 01:17:10,739
should defer to. Um, and then

2991
01:17:10,942 --> 01:17:11,710
there was 11, question that MAY

2992
01:17:11,710 --> 01:17:13,445
be of particular relevance at

2993
01:17:13,445 --> 01:17:15,814
the moment, but just to speak

2994
01:17:15,814 --> 01:17:17,749
broadly or ask us a question. I

2995
01:17:17,749 --> 01:17:19,651
know that in the memo that was

2996
01:17:19,651 --> 01:17:22,187
attached this evening, um, I

2997
01:17:22,187 --> 01:17:24,489
was, I was on page 45, I

2998
01:17:24,489 --> 01:17:25,657
believe. Uh, there was a note

2999
01:17:25,657 --> 01:17:27,426
about development agreements

3000
01:17:27,426 --> 01:17:28,860
and specific plans and that

3001
01:17:28,860 --> 01:17:29,794
they must include language to

3002
01:17:29,794 --> 01:17:31,196
specify what happens with

3003
01:17:31,196 --> 01:17:33,365
public benefits of a project is

3004
01:17:33,365 --> 01:17:34,699
not built. And I

3005
01:17:34,699 --> 01:17:36,601
m just curious,

3006
01:17:36,601 --> 01:17:39,170
um, broadly how this would

3007
01:17:39,170 --> 01:17:41,400
apply to current projects, um,

3008
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:42,908
and, and for that matter, our

3009
01:17:42,908 --> 01:17:43,780
foresight into the future when

3010
01:17:43,780 --> 01:17:44,643
we

3011
01:17:44,643 --> 01:17:45,477
re reviewing uh development

3012
01:17:45,477 --> 01:17:46,879
agreements as well. So I just

3013
01:17:46,879 --> 01:17:47,346
wanted to put that out there

3014
01:17:47,346 --> 01:17:47,779
and um I

3015
01:17:47,779 --> 01:17:48,313
ll, I

3016
01:17:48,313 --> 01:17:50,282
ll hand this

3017
01:17:50,282 --> 01:17:51,683
back to the mayor now. Thank

3018
01:17:51,683 --> 01:17:52,717
you. I think you have a

3019
01:17:52,717 --> 01:17:53,251
microphone over there we can

3020
01:17:53,251 --> 01:17:53,618
share and if it

3021
01:17:53,618 --> 01:17:53,777
s ok, we

3022
01:17:53,777 --> 01:17:55,777
ll

3023
01:17:56,540 --> 01:17:56,221
just move in this order unless

3024
01:17:56,221 --> 01:17:58,221
you

3025
01:17:59,910 --> 01:18:01,260
re not prepared to speak.

3026
01:18:01,260 --> 01:18:02,270
So everybody, uh, thank you so

3027
01:18:02,270 --> 01:18:02,528
much for setting this up

3028
01:18:02,528 --> 01:18:02,928
tonight I don

3029
01:18:02,928 --> 01:18:03,495
t think it

3030
01:18:03,495 --> 01:18:05,495
s

3031
01:18:06,832 --> 01:18:09,832
working. Keep it close. Hello,

3032
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:11,270
hello. There it is. Uh, thank

3033
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:12,838
you so much for setting this up

3034
01:18:12,838 --> 01:18:14,272
tonight. I think this is a

3035
01:18:14,272 --> 01:18:16,309
great opportunity for us in the

3036
01:18:16,309 --> 01:18:18,144
planning commission to get

3037
01:18:18,144 --> 01:18:19,211
guidance from our elected city

3038
01:18:19,211 --> 01:18:19,678
council members about these

3039
01:18:19,678 --> 01:18:20,579
issues. I don

3040
01:18:20,579 --> 01:18:23,515
t have a lot to

3041
01:18:23,515 --> 01:18:25,451
say at this point, obviously.

3042
01:18:25,451 --> 01:18:27,520
As a commissioner, the question

3043
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:27,886
like in my mind is always the

3044
01:18:27,886 --> 01:18:28,787
extent to which you

3045
01:18:28,787 --> 01:18:30,787
re wanting

3046
01:18:31,289 --> 01:18:33,192
us to evaluate the adequacy of

3047
01:18:33,192 --> 01:18:33,359
the public benefits because it,

3048
01:18:33,359 --> 01:18:34,600
it

3049
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:35,862
s been noted tonight, you

3050
01:18:35,862 --> 01:18:36,829
know. These development

3051
01:18:36,829 --> 01:18:39,229
agreements have been negotiated

3052
01:18:41,670 --> 01:18:41,225
for many, many months, um. So

3053
01:18:41,225 --> 01:18:43,200
I

3054
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:44,103
m looking forward to getting

3055
01:18:44,103 --> 01:18:46,503
hearing your thoughts about

3056
01:18:46,639 --> 01:18:49,141
that, um. Something that does

3057
01:18:49,141 --> 01:18:51,978
come up. Probably at every

3058
01:18:51,978 --> 01:18:53,413
meeting where we consider a

3059
01:18:53,413 --> 01:18:55,413
development agreement is

3060
01:18:55,848 --> 01:18:58,248
questions about the negotiated

3061
01:18:58,351 --> 01:18:59,752
language, the legalese used in

3062
01:18:59,752 --> 01:19:02,152
the development agreement, um.

3063
01:19:02,554 --> 01:19:03,355
And uh That

3064
01:19:03,355 --> 01:19:05,355
s posed some

3065
01:19:05,491 --> 01:19:06,325
challenges for some of my

3066
01:19:06,325 --> 01:19:06,525
fellow commissioners, you know,

3067
01:19:06,525 --> 01:19:07,794
there

3068
01:19:07,794 --> 01:19:10,263
s always a question of

3069
01:19:10,263 --> 01:19:12,980
what is reasonable mean?

3070
01:19:12,980 --> 01:19:13,299
Reasonable steps, force majeure,

3071
01:19:13,299 --> 01:19:16,899
how is that defined? What does

3072
01:19:17,603 --> 01:19:20,173
it mean to be extraordinary or

3073
01:19:20,173 --> 01:19:22,573
exceptional or whatever, um.

3074
01:19:22,675 --> 01:19:24,578
You know, so that language is

3075
01:19:24,578 --> 01:19:26,120
usually best negotiated by our

3076
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,348
lawyers, um, but I guess it

3077
01:19:28,348 --> 01:19:30,500
would be helpful to get

3078
01:19:30,500 --> 01:19:32,786
guidance from you on whether

3079
01:19:32,786 --> 01:19:33,953
you would like us the planning

3080
01:19:33,953 --> 01:19:36,155
commission to be scrutinizing

3081
01:19:36,155 --> 01:19:37,657
that legalese in that language

3082
01:19:37,657 --> 01:19:37,890
and giving our thoughts on it.

3083
01:19:37,890 --> 01:19:39,459
So that

3084
01:19:39,459 --> 01:19:42,896
s all I have for now.

3085
01:19:42,896 --> 01:19:44,397
Thank you, Commissioner Cre.

3086
01:19:44,397 --> 01:19:45,699
Commissioner Hoppen Gardner,

3087
01:19:45,699 --> 01:19:46,733
thank you, um, and thank you

3088
01:19:46,733 --> 01:19:47,734
staff for doing this because,

3089
01:19:47,734 --> 01:19:48,134
you know, we

3090
01:19:48,134 --> 01:19:50,134
ve had this

3091
01:19:50,636 --> 01:19:52,705
conversation many, many times,

3092
01:19:52,705 --> 01:19:54,400
and I think my only real major

3093
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:55,541
question that I would love to

3094
01:19:55,541 --> 01:19:58,578
have, uh, an answer from out of

3095
01:19:58,578 --> 01:19:59,813
this meeting. And this I think

3096
01:19:59,813 --> 01:20:02,813
is probably best directed to

3097
01:20:03,283 --> 01:20:04,751
our city attorney. Is that each

3098
01:20:04,751 --> 01:20:05,953
time either a billboard or a

3099
01:20:05,953 --> 01:20:07,187
project with the development

3100
01:20:07,187 --> 01:20:09,589
agreement comes to us. It comes

3101
01:20:09,589 --> 01:20:10,524
to us as a development

3102
01:20:10,524 --> 01:20:12,924
agreement with, uh, a

3103
01:20:13,827 --> 01:20:15,295
resolution. And, and then a

3104
01:20:15,295 --> 01:20:16,864
development permit with a

3105
01:20:16,864 --> 01:20:17,197
resolution. Sometimes there

3106
01:20:17,197 --> 01:20:18,232
s

3107
01:20:18,232 --> 01:20:20,632
some additional resolutions, so

3108
01:20:20,834 --> 01:20:22,502
we vote on 4 or 5 different

3109
01:20:22,502 --> 01:20:25,502
resolutions. And each of those

3110
01:20:25,906 --> 01:20:28,906
resolutions has a series of

3111
01:20:28,909 --> 01:20:31,211
findings and importantly, um,

3112
01:20:31,211 --> 01:20:33,213
the findings usually number one

3113
01:20:33,213 --> 01:20:34,582
is that this development is in

3114
01:20:34,582 --> 01:20:36,217
the best interest of the city

3115
01:20:36,217 --> 01:20:38,860
as, as vice Mayor Heilman

3116
01:20:38,860 --> 01:20:40,988
pointed out. But at the same

3117
01:20:40,988 --> 01:20:45,188
time we are asked to vote for,

3118
01:20:45,792 --> 01:20:46,326
to make a finding on a

3119
01:20:46,326 --> 01:20:47,794
development development

3120
01:20:47,794 --> 01:20:48,628
agreement. That

3121
01:20:48,628 --> 01:20:50,970
s a separate

3122
01:20:50,970 --> 01:20:52,660
resolution with a separate set

3123
01:20:52,660 --> 01:20:54,935
of findings and the number one

3124
01:20:54,935 --> 01:20:56,504
finding is that that

3125
01:20:56,504 --> 01:20:59,390
development agreement is in the

3126
01:20:59,390 --> 01:21:01,475
best interest of the city. So I,

3127
01:21:01,475 --> 01:21:02,977
to me, the answer that I most

3128
01:21:02,977 --> 01:21:05,450
want out of this, because we

3129
01:21:05,450 --> 01:21:06,847
keep butting heads on this

3130
01:21:06,847 --> 01:21:09,784
sometimes is, am I to, and my

3131
01:21:09,784 --> 01:21:11,619
colleagues, are we to make that

3132
01:21:11,619 --> 01:21:13,788
finding that that this is in

3133
01:21:13,788 --> 01:21:15,590
the best interest of the city

3134
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:17,458
or not because for myself, I

3135
01:21:17,458 --> 01:21:18,590
would find it very difficult to

3136
01:21:18,590 --> 01:21:18,526
vote for something and say it

3137
01:21:18,526 --> 01:21:20,526
s

3138
01:21:20,961 --> 01:21:24,264
in the best into the city when

3139
01:21:24,264 --> 01:21:24,465
I see things that are incorrect.

3140
01:21:24,465 --> 01:21:25,320
There

3141
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:25,197
s language that

3142
01:21:25,197 --> 01:21:26,330
s

3143
01:21:26,330 --> 01:21:26,200
incorrect, or I just plain

3144
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:26,500
don

3145
01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:27,100
t think it

3146
01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:29,401
s in the best

3147
01:21:30,380 --> 01:21:30,238
interest of the city. So To me,

3148
01:21:30,238 --> 01:21:31,672
that

3149
01:21:31,672 --> 01:21:33,408
s the single most

3150
01:21:33,408 --> 01:21:35,808
important question to be

3151
01:21:36,477 --> 01:21:38,412
answered out of tonight, um, um,

3152
01:21:38,412 --> 01:21:39,213
are we to look at those

3153
01:21:39,213 --> 01:21:39,413
benefits and determine if

3154
01:21:39,413 --> 01:21:40,748
they

3155
01:21:40,748 --> 01:21:43,748
re in the best interests

3156
01:21:46,187 --> 01:21:46,410
of the city or not. I

3157
01:21:46,410 --> 01:21:46,654
ll start

3158
01:21:46,654 --> 01:21:47,955
and I

3159
01:21:47,955 --> 01:21:49,157
ll give you my initial

3160
01:21:49,157 --> 01:21:50,692
thought, but I think we also

3161
01:21:50,692 --> 01:21:52,527
want to hear from the council

3162
01:21:52,527 --> 01:21:53,528
on on where they want the

3163
01:21:53,528 --> 01:21:54,896
planning commission to go with

3164
01:21:54,896 --> 01:21:57,865
that. And I mentioned earlier,

3165
01:21:57,865 --> 01:21:58,933
Jennifer had a, a good

3166
01:21:58,933 --> 01:21:59,900
explanation of what we think

3167
01:21:59,900 --> 01:22:02,604
the role is and what we think

3168
01:22:02,604 --> 01:22:04,272
the role is is to look at the

3169
01:22:04,272 --> 01:22:05,707
totality of the project, the

3170
01:22:05,707 --> 01:22:07,509
guidance from the general plan,

3171
01:22:07,509 --> 01:22:09,944
the specific plan, the zoning

3172
01:22:09,944 --> 01:22:10,778
ordinance, past projects, past

3173
01:22:10,778 --> 01:22:12,480
council decisions with

3174
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:13,481
something, a, a big topic of

3175
01:22:13,481 --> 01:22:15,116
discussion at council when, you

3176
01:22:15,116 --> 01:22:17,151
know, the next one comes

3177
01:22:17,151 --> 01:22:17,485
through at Planning commission.

3178
01:22:17,485 --> 01:22:17,852
Hopefully we

3179
01:22:17,852 --> 01:22:18,210
ve changed it and

3180
01:22:18,210 --> 01:22:19,187
we

3181
01:22:19,187 --> 01:22:21,890
ve done, you know, the thing

3182
01:22:21,890 --> 01:22:21,248
that counsel wants to, but it

3183
01:22:21,248 --> 01:22:23,248
s

3184
01:22:23,425 --> 01:22:27,250
more of those, more of the

3185
01:22:27,796 --> 01:22:29,364
bigger totality and less on the,

3186
01:22:29,364 --> 01:22:32,133
um, specific details of, of

3187
01:22:32,133 --> 01:22:33,168
each specific piece is the

3188
01:22:33,168 --> 01:22:34,569
public benefit sufficient and

3189
01:22:34,569 --> 01:22:36,571
adequate and in the best

3190
01:22:36,571 --> 01:22:36,772
interest of the city. I think

3191
01:22:36,772 --> 01:22:37,106
that

3192
01:22:37,106 --> 01:22:37,673
s, that

3193
01:22:37,673 --> 01:22:37,832
s been staff

3194
01:22:37,832 --> 01:22:39,174
s

3195
01:22:39,174 --> 01:22:40,375
approach and then the ultimate

3196
01:22:40,375 --> 01:22:42,311
decision of whether or not to

3197
01:22:42,311 --> 01:22:44,446
enter into the development

3198
01:22:44,446 --> 01:22:45,247
agreement sits with the city

3199
01:22:45,247 --> 01:22:46,714
council and the recommendation

3200
01:22:46,714 --> 01:22:47,616
from the land use. So from the

3201
01:22:47,616 --> 01:22:48,850
planning commission is focused

3202
01:22:48,850 --> 01:22:49,184
on from a land use perspective

3203
01:22:49,184 --> 01:22:49,618
because that

3204
01:22:49,618 --> 01:22:50,118
s what you

3205
01:22:50,118 --> 01:22:51,519
re the

3206
01:22:51,519 --> 01:22:52,554
experts on from a land use

3207
01:22:52,554 --> 01:22:53,521
perspective, is this in the

3208
01:22:53,521 --> 01:22:55,357
best interests of the city or

3209
01:22:55,357 --> 01:22:55,591
not? Does it forward the city

3210
01:22:55,591 --> 01:22:56,458
council

3211
01:22:56,458 --> 01:22:58,760
s land use schools.

3212
01:22:58,760 --> 01:22:59,928
Does it forward, um, all the

3213
01:22:59,928 --> 01:23:02,130
things that the city is trying

3214
01:23:02,130 --> 01:23:03,698
to achieve, or does it not from

3215
01:23:03,698 --> 01:23:06,340
a bigger picture rather than a

3216
01:23:06,340 --> 01:23:07,350
rather than a, um, a more

3217
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:08,436
finite picture. That that

3218
01:23:08,436 --> 01:23:08,636
s,

3219
01:23:08,636 --> 01:23:09,700
that

3220
01:23:09,700 --> 01:23:09,337
s been staff

3221
01:23:09,337 --> 01:23:11,337
s approach

3222
01:23:11,740 --> 01:23:12,474
and, you know, counsel can

3223
01:23:12,474 --> 01:23:16,740
confirm or expand on that later.

3224
01:23:17,446 --> 01:23:19,648
So, so from a development

3225
01:23:19,648 --> 01:23:20,115
agreement perspective, um. The

3226
01:23:20,115 --> 01:23:20,849
finding that it

3227
01:23:20,849 --> 01:23:23,249
s in the best

3228
01:23:23,619 --> 01:23:27,219
interests of the city. Is based

3229
01:23:27,956 --> 01:23:28,256
upon what? That it

3230
01:23:28,256 --> 01:23:29,458
s furthering

3231
01:23:29,458 --> 01:23:31,794
the goals of the city and not

3232
01:23:31,794 --> 01:23:33,729
hindering the goals of land use,

3233
01:23:33,729 --> 01:23:35,831
I mean, because land use and is

3234
01:23:35,831 --> 01:23:35,993
this. You know, that that

3235
01:23:35,993 --> 01:23:36,265
s

3236
01:23:36,265 --> 01:23:36,532
what, that

3237
01:23:36,532 --> 01:23:36,691
s what you

3238
01:23:36,691 --> 01:23:38,234
re

3239
01:23:38,234 --> 01:23:40,102
looking at. Are you meeting

3240
01:23:40,102 --> 01:23:41,636
they meeting the design goals.

3241
01:23:41,636 --> 01:23:42,571
Is this adding excitement? Is

3242
01:23:42,571 --> 01:23:44,940
it adding pedestrian uses? Is

3243
01:23:44,940 --> 01:23:45,207
it, is it going to activate an

3244
01:23:45,207 --> 01:23:45,874
area that

3245
01:23:45,874 --> 01:23:46,943
s otherwise been, you

3246
01:23:46,943 --> 01:23:47,810
know, that

3247
01:23:47,810 --> 01:23:50,346
s been dead on in a

3248
01:23:50,346 --> 01:23:51,280
certain part of town. So

3249
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:52,248
generally furthering what the

3250
01:23:52,248 --> 01:23:54,650
council has said they want to

3251
01:23:54,650 --> 01:23:54,917
see in the city. Ok, thank you,

3252
01:23:54,917 --> 01:23:55,684
but that

3253
01:23:55,684 --> 01:23:57,253
s as relates to the

3254
01:23:57,253 --> 01:23:58,587
development, not the

3255
01:23:58,587 --> 01:24:00,456
development agreement. Well,

3256
01:24:00,456 --> 01:24:01,490
the development agreement is

3257
01:24:01,490 --> 01:24:04,490
memorializing the long term, ok.

3258
01:24:04,894 --> 01:24:06,562
Project, both construction and

3259
01:24:06,562 --> 01:24:07,363
sometimes it has operational

3260
01:24:07,363 --> 01:24:09,763
components too for the

3261
01:24:10,266 --> 01:24:12,201
long-term use of the site. Now,

3262
01:24:12,201 --> 01:24:14,503
my last question is, to the

3263
01:24:14,503 --> 01:24:17,600
extent that there is an error.

3264
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:18,841
For example, we had on the

3265
01:24:18,841 --> 01:24:20,409
Viper Room project, a keys

3266
01:24:20,409 --> 01:24:22,779
thing where it was 5 keys more

3267
01:24:22,779 --> 01:24:24,180
instead of 5 keys less, and it

3268
01:24:24,180 --> 01:24:25,415
was blatantly wrong. Everyone

3269
01:24:25,415 --> 01:24:28,415
agreed it was blatantly wrong

3270
01:24:29,152 --> 01:24:30,519
and needed to be fixed. If

3271
01:24:30,519 --> 01:24:32,919
Planning commissioners are not.

3272
01:24:36,580 --> 01:24:37,660
To bring up Those items. And we

3273
01:24:37,660 --> 01:24:39,529
just go ahead and rubber stamp

3274
01:24:39,529 --> 01:24:41,798
them and send them to council

3275
01:24:41,798 --> 01:24:43,299
and let counsel catch them or

3276
01:24:43,299 --> 01:24:45,301
should we just ignore them?

3277
01:24:45,301 --> 01:24:46,302
What, what should we do as a

3278
01:24:46,302 --> 01:24:46,670
planning commission? I don

3279
01:24:46,670 --> 01:24:48,171
t

3280
01:24:48,171 --> 01:24:50,139
think you should ignore them,

3281
01:24:50,139 --> 01:24:51,507
and I think, you know, Jennifer

3282
01:24:51,507 --> 01:24:52,575
even mentioned earlier that

3283
01:24:52,575 --> 01:24:53,242
these documents have improved

3284
01:24:53,242 --> 01:24:54,977
through this process, through

3285
01:24:54,977 --> 01:24:56,345
all of these, you know, it gets

3286
01:24:56,345 --> 01:24:56,513
better and better each time and

3287
01:24:56,513 --> 01:24:57,814
we

3288
01:24:57,814 --> 01:24:59,150
ve improved our internal

3289
01:24:59,150 --> 01:25:00,884
process too, to catch some of

3290
01:25:00,884 --> 01:25:01,151
these things and to make sure

3291
01:25:01,151 --> 01:25:02,252
that they

3292
01:25:02,252 --> 01:25:03,720
re, that the, the

3293
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:04,854
cleanest, most, you know,

3294
01:25:04,854 --> 01:25:06,523
possible documents are getting,

3295
01:25:06,523 --> 01:25:08,240
are getting on the agenda. I

3296
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:09,559
would say let staff know maybe

3297
01:25:09,559 --> 01:25:10,259
before the meeting if you have

3298
01:25:10,259 --> 01:25:10,526
some things that you

3299
01:25:10,526 --> 01:25:12,295
ve caught

3300
01:25:12,295 --> 01:25:13,830
because then we can come with a

3301
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:14,798
redline version to the meeting

3302
01:25:14,798 --> 01:25:15,198
and say we

3303
01:25:15,198 --> 01:25:15,799
ve identified these

3304
01:25:15,799 --> 01:25:16,166
errors and then it

3305
01:25:16,166 --> 01:25:18,166
s already

3306
01:25:18,235 --> 01:25:18,401
part of the document that

3307
01:25:18,401 --> 01:25:19,202
you

3308
01:25:19,202 --> 01:25:20,360
re gonna approve of course

3309
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:22,720
sometimes with that particular

3310
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:23,106
one, I caught literally in the

3311
01:25:23,106 --> 01:25:24,908
moment. I, I was reading it and

3312
01:25:24,908 --> 01:25:27,544
I was like, well, wait, wait,

3313
01:25:27,544 --> 01:25:28,945
what? What? So I agree and, and

3314
01:25:28,945 --> 01:25:32,490
staff is used to my lengthy

3315
01:25:32,490 --> 01:25:33,170
emails. And, you know, does

3316
01:25:33,170 --> 01:25:35,180
send things through beforehand,

3317
01:25:35,180 --> 01:25:36,553
but I, this is my question is

3318
01:25:36,553 --> 01:25:37,421
if we see something, should we

3319
01:25:37,421 --> 01:25:38,321
say something? If you see

3320
01:25:38,321 --> 01:25:40,230
something, you should say

3321
01:25:40,230 --> 01:25:41,291
something. Um, and then

3322
01:25:41,291 --> 01:25:42,325
probably, like I said, probably

3323
01:25:42,325 --> 01:25:43,860
better before the meeting so

3324
01:25:43,860 --> 01:25:44,600
that we can review it because

3325
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:44,728
if we

3326
01:25:44,728 --> 01:25:45,829
re reading it for the

3327
01:25:45,829 --> 01:25:47,664
first time in the meeting, it

3328
01:25:47,664 --> 01:25:48,665
takes us a second to read the

3329
01:25:48,665 --> 01:25:48,827
language and make sure it

3330
01:25:48,827 --> 01:25:50,827
s

3331
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:51,869
correct. And so, so earlier is

3332
01:25:51,869 --> 01:25:54,869
always better. Of course. Ok,

3333
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,750
thank you. Commissioner Jones.

3334
01:25:58,750 --> 01:25:59,543
Hi, can everybody hear me?

3335
01:25:59,543 --> 01:26:02,112
Thank you. Well, first, I just

3336
01:26:02,112 --> 01:26:02,913
want to thank staff, um, for

3337
01:26:02,913 --> 01:26:03,313
this presentation. I

3338
01:26:03,313 --> 01:26:04,347
m gonna

3339
01:26:04,347 --> 01:26:06,450
pull a little card here and

3340
01:26:06,450 --> 01:26:06,622
just say that I think I

3341
01:26:06,622 --> 01:26:07,318
m

3342
01:26:07,318 --> 01:26:08,652
heading about to round out my

3343
01:26:08,652 --> 01:26:09,186
9th year on planning commission,

3344
01:26:09,186 --> 01:26:09,687
and I don

3345
01:26:09,687 --> 01:26:10,254
t, I

3346
01:26:10,254 --> 01:26:12,122
ve never had

3347
01:26:12,122 --> 01:26:13,557
this thorough overview of this.

3348
01:26:13,557 --> 01:26:15,459
So I really appreciate this and

3349
01:26:15,459 --> 01:26:16,260
I think we kind of get this

3350
01:26:16,260 --> 01:26:17,610
information piecemeal at

3351
01:26:17,610 --> 01:26:18,280
meetings as we kind of work

3352
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:18,189
through these issues, but it

3353
01:26:18,189 --> 01:26:19,963
s

3354
01:26:19,963 --> 01:26:21,298
really helpful to have it all

3355
01:26:21,298 --> 01:26:21,531
in one place and a handy guide

3356
01:26:21,531 --> 01:26:22,366
that I

3357
01:26:22,366 --> 01:26:23,333
m gonna genius scan

3358
01:26:23,333 --> 01:26:23,901
later so that I don

3359
01:26:23,901 --> 01:26:25,901
t have to

3360
01:26:26,170 --> 01:26:27,238
have this. Paper, um, but I

3361
01:26:27,238 --> 01:26:27,672
appreciate you putting it

3362
01:26:27,672 --> 01:26:27,872
together because it

3363
01:26:27,872 --> 01:26:29,872
s super

3364
01:26:31,410 --> 01:26:32,143
important. So thank you. I also

3365
01:26:32,143 --> 01:26:34,543
want to thank Councilmember

3366
01:26:34,845 --> 01:26:36,413
Hang for kind of the portion of

3367
01:26:36,413 --> 01:26:40,130
our policy that you uh recited

3368
01:26:40,417 --> 01:26:42,287
just because I think That

3369
01:26:42,287 --> 01:26:42,587
confirms for me, planning

3370
01:26:42,587 --> 01:26:43,855
commission

3371
01:26:43,855 --> 01:26:44,455
s role when we are

3372
01:26:44,455 --> 01:26:44,689
reviewing projects, and it

3373
01:26:44,689 --> 01:26:45,957
s

3374
01:26:45,957 --> 01:26:46,190
not that there aren

3375
01:26:46,190 --> 01:26:47,592
t nuances

3376
01:26:47,592 --> 01:26:48,192
that I think are important and

3377
01:26:48,192 --> 01:26:49,327
I think we

3378
01:26:49,327 --> 01:26:51,727
re kind of working

3379
01:26:51,929 --> 01:26:52,396
through those right now. It

3380
01:26:52,396 --> 01:26:54,980
s

3381
01:26:54,980 --> 01:26:55,866
always been my understanding

3382
01:26:55,866 --> 01:26:56,600
that the terms, final terms of

3383
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,000
the development agreement if

3384
01:26:59,704 --> 01:27:01,639
they are to be amended or

3385
01:27:01,639 --> 01:27:02,707
adjusted, would be, you know,

3386
01:27:02,707 --> 01:27:03,141
subject to council approval,

3387
01:27:03,141 --> 01:27:04,509
and that

3388
01:27:04,509 --> 01:27:05,510
s not really the

3389
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:07,110
province of of planning

3390
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:08,579
commission, so to speak. I

3391
01:27:08,579 --> 01:27:09,380
think where we

3392
01:27:09,380 --> 01:27:09,947
ve run into

3393
01:27:09,947 --> 01:27:10,481
issues and I don

3394
01:27:10,481 --> 01:27:10,815
t, maybe it

3395
01:27:10,815 --> 01:27:12,783
s

3396
01:27:12,783 --> 01:27:13,384
better to say confusion is at a

3397
01:27:13,384 --> 01:27:15,152
planning commission meeting

3398
01:27:15,152 --> 01:27:15,853
where You know, there have been

3399
01:27:15,853 --> 01:27:18,256
questions about whether or not

3400
01:27:18,256 --> 01:27:20,625
we can make a finding as

3401
01:27:20,625 --> 01:27:22,360
relates to the public benefits

3402
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,129
component of a development

3403
01:27:24,129 --> 01:27:26,931
agreement or a very large

3404
01:27:26,931 --> 01:27:29,734
project. So I think one of my

3405
01:27:29,734 --> 01:27:31,902
questions is, And maybe this is

3406
01:27:31,902 --> 01:27:32,270
just a point of clarification.

3407
01:27:32,270 --> 01:27:33,700
It didn

3408
01:27:33,700 --> 01:27:33,271
t seem to me that we

3409
01:27:33,271 --> 01:27:34,639
didn

3410
01:27:34,639 --> 01:27:36,740
t have the ability to talk

3411
01:27:36,740 --> 01:27:36,374
about public benefits or the

3412
01:27:36,374 --> 01:27:38,374
terms. It

3413
01:27:38,543 --> 01:27:39,978
s more just Because

3414
01:27:39,978 --> 01:27:41,913
the questions that are coming

3415
01:27:41,913 --> 01:27:43,848
up tonight really come from a

3416
01:27:43,848 --> 01:27:45,817
place of wanting to make sure

3417
01:27:45,817 --> 01:27:46,651
that the public has a say in

3418
01:27:46,651 --> 01:27:47,185
this process. And it

3419
01:27:47,185 --> 01:27:48,119
s clear to

3420
01:27:48,119 --> 01:27:48,586
me from this, I think it

3421
01:27:48,586 --> 01:27:49,620
s on

3422
01:27:49,620 --> 01:27:49,821
slide 26, like, I didn

3423
01:27:49,821 --> 01:27:50,822
t know

3424
01:27:50,822 --> 01:27:52,157
there was a neighborhood

3425
01:27:52,157 --> 01:27:52,991
meeting to talk about community

3426
01:27:52,991 --> 01:27:53,925
benefits and public benefits.

3427
01:27:53,925 --> 01:27:55,627
It makes sense that there would

3428
01:27:55,627 --> 01:27:56,280
be, right? So that

3429
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,280
s great for

3430
01:27:59,331 --> 01:28:01,733
us to know that there is a

3431
01:28:01,733 --> 01:28:03,168
process now for that, but I

3432
01:28:03,168 --> 01:28:05,136
think for me, what would be

3433
01:28:05,136 --> 01:28:05,299
helpful to know is And maybe

3434
01:28:05,299 --> 01:28:06,571
I

3435
01:28:06,571 --> 01:28:08,600
m just asking for some like

3436
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:08,239
confirmation here. It

3437
01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:08,673
s not so

3438
01:28:08,673 --> 01:28:09,475
much that you don

3439
01:28:09,475 --> 01:28:10,909
t want us to

3440
01:28:10,909 --> 01:28:11,820
talk about it or that we can

3441
01:28:11,820 --> 01:28:12,377
t

3442
01:28:12,377 --> 01:28:12,544
talk about it at all. It

3443
01:28:12,544 --> 01:28:13,345
s not

3444
01:28:13,345 --> 01:28:14,213
off limits. It

3445
01:28:14,213 --> 01:28:14,379
s more just I

3446
01:28:14,379 --> 01:28:15,714
don

3447
01:28:15,714 --> 01:28:16,815
t want as a commissioner to

3448
01:28:16,815 --> 01:28:17,215
give the public the impression

3449
01:28:17,215 --> 01:28:17,649
like if someone

3450
01:28:17,649 --> 01:28:18,617
s coming to a

3451
01:28:18,617 --> 01:28:18,817
meeting for the first time,

3452
01:28:18,817 --> 01:28:20,180
they

3453
01:28:20,180 --> 01:28:20,185
re not here tonight, they

3454
01:28:20,185 --> 01:28:21,653
don

3455
01:28:21,653 --> 01:28:23,488
t know anything about our

3456
01:28:23,488 --> 01:28:23,657
process, right? That we

3457
01:28:23,657 --> 01:28:25,657
re

3458
01:28:25,890 --> 01:28:27,493
giving an impression that we

3459
01:28:27,493 --> 01:28:28,894
have any say in having an

3460
01:28:28,894 --> 01:28:30,762
influence on the public

3461
01:28:30,762 --> 01:28:30,962
benefits package. I think

3462
01:28:30,962 --> 01:28:31,330
that

3463
01:28:31,330 --> 01:28:32,765
s my, it

3464
01:28:32,765 --> 01:28:32,936
s not that it

3465
01:28:32,936 --> 01:28:33,990
s

3466
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:33,832
doesn

3467
01:28:33,832 --> 01:28:35,133
t merit discussion, but I

3468
01:28:35,133 --> 01:28:35,301
just want to make sure that

3469
01:28:35,301 --> 01:28:36,768
we

3470
01:28:36,768 --> 01:28:37,602
re always working within

3471
01:28:37,602 --> 01:28:39,871
like what are clearly very

3472
01:28:39,871 --> 01:28:41,406
specific kind of guardrails and

3473
01:28:41,406 --> 01:28:42,741
parameters for our decision

3474
01:28:42,741 --> 01:28:44,810
making process. And again, to

3475
01:28:44,810 --> 01:28:47,112
me, this really confirms that

3476
01:28:47,112 --> 01:28:48,547
it is about land use and that

3477
01:28:48,547 --> 01:28:49,181
that that our comments and our

3478
01:28:49,181 --> 01:28:49,339
recommendations because we

3479
01:28:49,339 --> 01:28:50,582
re

3480
01:28:50,582 --> 01:28:50,983
not really voting. We

3481
01:28:50,983 --> 01:28:52,170
re voting,

3482
01:28:52,170 --> 01:28:52,184
voting to move it forward.

3483
01:28:52,184 --> 01:28:54,184
We

3484
01:28:54,387 --> 01:28:55,854
re not voting to approve a

3485
01:28:55,854 --> 01:28:58,857
project or not, or not approve

3486
01:28:58,857 --> 01:29:00,392
a project, right? So I think um

3487
01:29:00,392 --> 01:29:02,328
that was really just my like

3488
01:29:02,328 --> 01:29:03,396
ask or point of clarification,

3489
01:29:03,396 --> 01:29:04,597
um. I don

3490
01:29:04,597 --> 01:29:07,330
t think I have any

3491
01:29:07,330 --> 01:29:07,233
other comments here. I think

3492
01:29:07,233 --> 01:29:08,300
that

3493
01:29:08,300 --> 01:29:09,668
s everything. I think if,

3494
01:29:09,668 --> 01:29:11,670
if anything, you know, again, I

3495
01:29:11,670 --> 01:29:12,871
said this at our last planning

3496
01:29:12,871 --> 01:29:14,373
commission meeting. A lot of

3497
01:29:14,373 --> 01:29:16,241
bad stuff is happening in our

3498
01:29:16,241 --> 01:29:17,276
country right now, especially

3499
01:29:17,276 --> 01:29:18,210
as it relates to the way the

3500
01:29:18,210 --> 01:29:18,778
government is supposed to work,

3501
01:29:18,778 --> 01:29:19,612
and I don

3502
01:29:19,612 --> 01:29:21,581
t ever want that to

3503
01:29:21,581 --> 01:29:21,814
mean that our bar is lowered or

3504
01:29:21,814 --> 01:29:22,548
that we

3505
01:29:22,548 --> 01:29:24,548
re not upholding

3506
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:26,886
ourselves to like great

3507
01:29:26,886 --> 01:29:28,354
standards and values, but I

3508
01:29:28,354 --> 01:29:29,989
think this confirms like we

3509
01:29:29,989 --> 01:29:31,857
have an excellent process in

3510
01:29:31,857 --> 01:29:34,159
place and that I can trust that

3511
01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:35,260
process, and I hope for

3512
01:29:35,260 --> 01:29:36,562
everyone here tonight that the

3513
01:29:36,562 --> 01:29:37,530
public also feels like they can

3514
01:29:37,530 --> 01:29:38,631
trust the process as well. But

3515
01:29:38,631 --> 01:29:38,788
again, the questions that I

3516
01:29:38,788 --> 01:29:40,788
m

3517
01:29:41,501 --> 01:29:41,834
hearing just to kind of say

3518
01:29:41,834 --> 01:29:43,336
back what I

3519
01:29:43,336 --> 01:29:44,700
m hearing really

3520
01:29:44,700 --> 01:29:45,304
just stem from really just

3521
01:29:45,304 --> 01:29:46,339
wanting to do right by the

3522
01:29:46,339 --> 01:29:47,840
public and make sure that the

3523
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:49,742
community has a say. So those

3524
01:29:49,742 --> 01:29:51,210
are my comments. Thanks. Thank

3525
01:29:51,210 --> 01:29:52,144
you, Commissioner Jones.

3526
01:29:52,144 --> 01:29:53,680
Commissioner Mattes. Thank you,

3527
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:54,848
Mayor Byers, council and city

3528
01:29:54,848 --> 01:29:55,481
staff and my colleagues for

3529
01:29:55,481 --> 01:29:57,350
being here tonight. I think

3530
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:57,884
that this is a very substantive

3531
01:29:57,884 --> 01:29:58,400
to such discussion that

3532
01:29:58,400 --> 01:29:59,352
s

3533
01:29:59,352 --> 01:29:59,852
played out in a public hearing.

3534
01:29:59,852 --> 01:30:01,254
Uh, it

3535
01:30:01,254 --> 01:30:02,722
s great to have this

3536
01:30:02,722 --> 01:30:03,456
kind of conversation in

3537
01:30:03,456 --> 01:30:05,124
community so that everyone

3538
01:30:05,124 --> 01:30:06,159
understands the role of their

3539
01:30:06,159 --> 01:30:06,592
government and what we

3540
01:30:06,592 --> 01:30:08,592
re here

3541
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:10,963
to do, um, first wanna just say

3542
01:30:10,963 --> 01:30:11,965
a lot of this did affirm what I

3543
01:30:11,965 --> 01:30:12,632
had already understood the

3544
01:30:12,632 --> 01:30:13,670
planning commission

3545
01:30:13,670 --> 01:30:15,670
s role to

3546
01:30:15,302 --> 01:30:16,770
be looking for a general plan

3547
01:30:16,770 --> 01:30:18,770
consistency. Consistency with

3548
01:30:18,872 --> 01:30:20,273
city code, land use regulations,

3549
01:30:20,273 --> 01:30:21,641
objective standards in state

3550
01:30:21,641 --> 01:30:22,609
law, etc. Um, so I

3551
01:30:22,609 --> 01:30:24,609
m grateful

3552
01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:26,445
for that clarity, um, I think

3553
01:30:26,445 --> 01:30:28,470
that in times of uncertainty on

3554
01:30:28,470 --> 01:30:30,283
the body, my approach has been

3555
01:30:30,283 --> 01:30:32,719
to defer to the duly elected

3556
01:30:32,719 --> 01:30:34,688
body of the people. Um, as such,

3557
01:30:34,688 --> 01:30:36,890
there have been certain

3558
01:30:36,890 --> 01:30:38,158
instances on this body where

3559
01:30:38,158 --> 01:30:39,526
questions have come into play,

3560
01:30:39,526 --> 01:30:40,560
lengthy conversations on the

3561
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:42,462
dais relating to issues that

3562
01:30:42,462 --> 01:30:43,863
MAY not even be within our

3563
01:30:43,863 --> 01:30:44,898
purview. So I think that one

3564
01:30:44,898 --> 01:30:46,320
discussion that would be very

3565
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:47,734
helpful to have and guidance

3566
01:30:47,734 --> 01:30:49,703
from this council and from

3567
01:30:49,703 --> 01:30:50,637
staff would be, what is the

3568
01:30:50,637 --> 01:30:52,172
staff role of guiding

3569
01:30:52,172 --> 01:30:54,740
conversation in a more

3570
01:30:54,740 --> 01:30:55,208
productive way so that we can

3571
01:30:55,208 --> 01:30:57,444
run an efficient meeting and

3572
01:30:57,444 --> 01:30:58,812
not be opining on.

3573
01:30:58,812 --> 01:30:59,813
Conversations that have

3574
01:30:59,813 --> 01:31:00,780
absolutely no jurisdiction

3575
01:31:00,780 --> 01:31:03,180
within the planning commission.

3576
01:31:03,282 --> 01:31:04,618
I think that that would be

3577
01:31:04,618 --> 01:31:06,820
really uh important for us to

3578
01:31:06,820 --> 01:31:08,222
understand as a body, um, and

3579
01:31:08,222 --> 01:31:10,491
then additionally, I wanted to

3580
01:31:10,491 --> 01:31:11,458
talk about, uh, one thing

3581
01:31:11,458 --> 01:31:14,361
related to public benefit. Um,

3582
01:31:14,361 --> 01:31:14,517
when we look at public benefits,

3583
01:31:14,517 --> 01:31:15,796
I

3584
01:31:15,796 --> 01:31:17,731
ve always understood our

3585
01:31:17,731 --> 01:31:19,833
place is absolutely not to

3586
01:31:19,833 --> 01:31:21,902
negotiate any aspect of public

3587
01:31:21,902 --> 01:31:23,537
benefit or DAs or extraordinary

3588
01:31:23,537 --> 01:31:25,205
public benefits, um, one thing

3589
01:31:25,205 --> 01:31:26,600
that has come up in the past,

3590
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:29,409
even before I was on this body.

3591
01:31:29,409 --> 01:31:30,377
As a member of the public is,

3592
01:31:30,377 --> 01:31:32,245
uh, the adequacy question, is

3593
01:31:32,245 --> 01:31:33,814
the public benefit or

3594
01:31:33,814 --> 01:31:35,115
extraordinary public benefit

3595
01:31:35,115 --> 01:31:36,820
adequate or inadequate, rather

3596
01:31:36,820 --> 01:31:37,170
than having that conversation

3597
01:31:37,170 --> 01:31:38,753
at the planning commission

3598
01:31:38,753 --> 01:31:38,915
level because I think that

3599
01:31:38,915 --> 01:31:40,421
s

3600
01:31:40,421 --> 01:31:42,890
highly inappropriate, and I

3601
01:31:42,890 --> 01:31:44,425
actually agree with uh Vice

3602
01:31:44,425 --> 01:31:45,626
Mayor Heilman that it should be

3603
01:31:45,626 --> 01:31:48,626
more betterly suited with staff

3604
01:31:49,330 --> 01:31:49,897
is. Does council think it is

3605
01:31:49,897 --> 01:31:50,764
appropriate for a

3606
01:31:50,764 --> 01:31:51,298
recommendation because that is

3607
01:31:51,298 --> 01:31:53,267
what we

3608
01:31:53,267 --> 01:31:56,700
re here to do, to

3609
01:31:56,700 --> 01:31:57,639
counsel that asks counsel to

3610
01:31:57,639 --> 01:31:58,973
assess the adequacy of said

3611
01:31:58,973 --> 01:31:59,607
public benefit. Is that a

3612
01:31:59,607 --> 01:32:00,608
recommendation that would be

3613
01:32:00,608 --> 01:32:00,808
welcomed by the body, because

3614
01:32:00,808 --> 01:32:01,509
that

3615
01:32:01,509 --> 01:32:03,411
s something that has come

3616
01:32:03,411 --> 01:32:04,645
up before that we have done.

3617
01:32:04,645 --> 01:32:04,804
That way the conversation isn

3618
01:32:04,804 --> 01:32:05,980
t

3619
01:32:05,980 --> 01:32:06,814
playing out on a planning

3620
01:32:06,814 --> 01:32:06,974
commission meeting. It

3621
01:32:06,974 --> 01:32:08,215
s

3622
01:32:08,215 --> 01:32:10,384
playing out with the duly

3623
01:32:10,384 --> 01:32:11,785
elected body of the people. Uh,

3624
01:32:11,785 --> 01:32:13,988
lastly is I just want to touch

3625
01:32:13,988 --> 01:32:15,723
on one quick uh quick follow-up

3626
01:32:15,723 --> 01:32:17,250
question regarding, uh, sassy

3627
01:32:17,250 --> 01:32:17,959
feedback. Um, I do serve on

3628
01:32:17,959 --> 01:32:18,159
that subcommittee. I think that

3629
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:19,794
there

3630
01:32:19,794 --> 01:32:20,761
s a lot of really

3631
01:32:20,761 --> 01:32:23,161
important design review that

3632
01:32:23,364 --> 01:32:24,632
takes place in that body, um,

3633
01:32:24,632 --> 01:32:25,700
and it actually helps move

3634
01:32:25,700 --> 01:32:27,101
projects forward when those

3635
01:32:27,101 --> 01:32:29,470
concerns are addressed on the

3636
01:32:29,470 --> 01:32:30,437
front end versus going through

3637
01:32:30,437 --> 01:32:31,873
a wholesale multiple public

3638
01:32:31,873 --> 01:32:34,409
hearing process and then having

3639
01:32:34,409 --> 01:32:35,760
to go back to revert for

3640
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,760
planning commission concurrence.

3641
01:32:37,745 --> 01:32:41,682
So I wanna kind of get clarity

3642
01:32:41,682 --> 01:32:44,510
on what the council sees as the

3643
01:32:44,510 --> 01:32:45,620
role of sassy and design review

3644
01:32:45,620 --> 01:32:46,253
given these changes to state

3645
01:32:46,253 --> 01:32:48,322
law, given the will of the

3646
01:32:48,322 --> 01:32:49,240
people. Uh, the duly elected

3647
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:51,326
representatives of the people

3648
01:32:51,326 --> 01:32:53,328
and etc. But I want to thank

3649
01:32:53,328 --> 01:32:54,395
everybody for giving this

3650
01:32:54,395 --> 01:32:55,630
really thorough presentation

3651
01:32:55,630 --> 01:32:55,789
for being here, uh, and I

3652
01:32:55,789 --> 01:32:57,532
m

3653
01:32:57,532 --> 01:32:59,670
excited to be with you and and

3654
01:32:59,670 --> 01:33:01,169
to receive your direction and

3655
01:33:01,169 --> 01:33:04,169
continue to serve the duly

3656
01:33:04,171 --> 01:33:05,540
elected city. Thank you. Thank

3657
01:33:05,540 --> 01:33:06,742
you. Did Steph, did you have

3658
01:33:06,742 --> 01:33:07,576
any comments or feedback on

3659
01:33:07,576 --> 01:33:08,760
that. I think there

3660
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:09,100
s a

3661
01:33:09,100 --> 01:33:11,413
question about whose role it is

3662
01:33:11,413 --> 01:33:12,313
to sort of manage the meeting

3663
01:33:12,313 --> 01:33:12,480
conversation, and unfortunately,

3664
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:13,581
it

3665
01:33:13,581 --> 01:33:14,916
s ours as chairs of the

3666
01:33:14,916 --> 01:33:15,700
meeting, but I think that

3667
01:33:15,700 --> 01:33:16,284
s

3668
01:33:16,284 --> 01:33:16,851
where, you know, it gets

3669
01:33:16,851 --> 01:33:17,152
challenging, frankly, I

3670
01:33:17,152 --> 01:33:18,620
ll say

3671
01:33:18,620 --> 01:33:20,154
it for my own role as I had to

3672
01:33:20,154 --> 01:33:21,322
cut off my council member just

3673
01:33:21,322 --> 01:33:21,789
a second ago in the middle of

3674
01:33:21,789 --> 01:33:22,123
conversation, but it

3675
01:33:22,123 --> 01:33:23,526
s that

3676
01:33:23,526 --> 01:33:25,961
sort of balance I think that we

3677
01:33:25,961 --> 01:33:26,929
all have to have and be

3678
01:33:26,929 --> 01:33:29,310
supported by and understanding

3679
01:33:29,310 --> 01:33:31,433
what our purpose and direction

3680
01:33:31,433 --> 01:33:32,340
and role is in that meeting, um,

3681
01:33:32,340 --> 01:33:32,868
is I think why we

3682
01:33:32,868 --> 01:33:33,501
re here to

3683
01:33:33,501 --> 01:33:35,570
help provide more clarity to

3684
01:33:35,570 --> 01:33:37,539
empower. The chair to be able

3685
01:33:37,539 --> 01:33:38,506
to manage those conversations,

3686
01:33:38,506 --> 01:33:40,441
um, but that empowerment of the

3687
01:33:40,441 --> 01:33:41,644
chair role, as I know well from

3688
01:33:41,644 --> 01:33:43,278
my council support. It comes

3689
01:33:43,278 --> 01:33:44,279
from the support of the rest of

3690
01:33:44,279 --> 01:33:45,847
the commissioner body, right?

3691
01:33:45,847 --> 01:33:46,882
And so just so you all can

3692
01:33:46,882 --> 01:33:49,584
really trust in whoever is

3693
01:33:49,584 --> 01:33:51,520
serving as chair of your

3694
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:51,920
commission to facilitate the

3695
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:52,187
conversation that

3696
01:33:52,187 --> 01:33:53,555
s happening

3697
01:33:53,555 --> 01:33:53,712
as a matter of the public

3698
01:33:53,712 --> 01:33:54,522
s

3699
01:33:54,522 --> 01:33:55,523
business to the best of your

3700
01:33:55,523 --> 01:33:56,240
ability. I think that

3701
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:57,993
s really

3702
01:33:57,993 --> 01:33:59,428
the role there, um, and you all

3703
01:33:59,428 --> 01:34:00,362
should be able to support each

3704
01:34:00,362 --> 01:34:00,562
other in doing that well.

3705
01:34:00,562 --> 01:34:01,463
That

3706
01:34:01,463 --> 01:34:01,664
s part of what we

3707
01:34:01,664 --> 01:34:02,965
re here

3708
01:34:02,965 --> 01:34:03,632
today. Were there other

3709
01:34:03,632 --> 01:34:05,340
responses that we wanted to

3710
01:34:05,340 --> 01:34:05,701
offer. And of course, the city

3711
01:34:05,701 --> 01:34:06,601
attorney is always welcome to

3712
01:34:06,601 --> 01:34:08,937
cut us off or if we

3713
01:34:08,937 --> 01:34:10,500
re doing

3714
01:34:10,500 --> 01:34:11,974
something like blainly illegal.

3715
01:34:11,974 --> 01:34:13,809
Ok, great. We can move on to

3716
01:34:13,809 --> 01:34:13,975
commissioner Solomon, and then

3717
01:34:13,975 --> 01:34:14,976
we

3718
01:34:14,976 --> 01:34:16,312
ll come back. Um, thank you,

3719
01:34:16,312 --> 01:34:18,781
thank you for the presentation.

3720
01:34:18,781 --> 01:34:19,148
Uh, I never get to go last, uh,

3721
01:34:19,148 --> 01:34:21,116
so I

3722
01:34:21,116 --> 01:34:22,170
ll try and be brief. I, I

3723
01:34:22,170 --> 01:34:23,850
had one specific question I

3724
01:34:23,850 --> 01:34:23,244
wanted to ask first, and then

3725
01:34:23,244 --> 01:34:24,653
I

3726
01:34:24,653 --> 01:34:25,988
ll make some sort of broad

3727
01:34:25,988 --> 01:34:26,143
points or questions, but it

3728
01:34:26,143 --> 01:34:27,423
s

3729
01:34:27,423 --> 01:34:29,823
probably most appropriate for

3730
01:34:29,892 --> 01:34:30,559
Brian. You mentioned this is

3731
01:34:30,559 --> 01:34:32,559
regarding sunset billboards,

3732
01:34:32,761 --> 01:34:33,429
and you mentioned sort of that

3733
01:34:33,429 --> 01:34:35,498
application process, uh, in

3734
01:34:35,498 --> 01:34:35,655
this present. Presentation I

3735
01:34:35,655 --> 01:34:36,899
ll

3736
01:34:36,899 --> 01:34:38,701
speak broadly so as not to

3737
01:34:38,701 --> 01:34:41,701
speak to any specific project,

3738
01:34:43,772 --> 01:34:44,673
but, uh, as an applicant is uh

3739
01:34:44,673 --> 01:34:44,840
applying for a billboard. Uh,

3740
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:46,840
it

3741
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:48,510
s my understanding that they,

3742
01:34:48,510 --> 01:34:49,578
their application states

3743
01:34:49,578 --> 01:34:50,546
whether they

3744
01:34:50,546 --> 01:34:52,546
re applying for

3745
01:34:53,116 --> 01:34:53,383
vinyl or digital, but they

3746
01:34:53,383 --> 01:34:55,118
re

3747
01:34:55,118 --> 01:34:58,688
also only kind of allowed to

3748
01:34:58,688 --> 01:35:00,222
apply for The grant that t

3749
01:35:00,222 --> 01:35:01,230
have a determination has been

3750
01:35:01,230 --> 01:35:02,591
made whether it

3751
01:35:02,591 --> 01:35:04,960
s a vinyl or a

3752
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:07,960
digital billboard, uh, I guess

3753
01:35:08,898 --> 01:35:09,799
my question is, what goes into

3754
01:35:09,799 --> 01:35:12,168
the determination of whether or

3755
01:35:12,168 --> 01:35:14,737
not an applicant will apply for

3756
01:35:14,737 --> 01:35:18,174
one versus the other, and, uh,

3757
01:35:18,174 --> 01:35:19,642
in, in light of uh recent

3758
01:35:19,642 --> 01:35:22,420
billboard processes, is there

3759
01:35:22,244 --> 01:35:25,244
any thought about Changing that

3760
01:35:27,918 --> 01:35:28,146
initial. Award process. I, I

3761
01:35:28,146 --> 01:35:28,451
m

3762
01:35:28,451 --> 01:35:29,352
not sure I

3763
01:35:29,352 --> 01:35:31,752
m the best answer.

3764
01:35:32,222 --> 01:35:32,922
This is part of the sap policy,

3765
01:35:32,922 --> 01:35:33,189
but the board you

3766
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:35,124
re referring

3767
01:35:35,124 --> 01:35:36,192
to, they were awarded a static

3768
01:35:36,192 --> 01:35:37,427
board. That

3769
01:35:37,427 --> 01:35:38,561
s what they applied

3770
01:35:38,561 --> 01:35:40,961
through the design Excellence.

3771
01:35:42,531 --> 01:35:43,967
Process And I know there was

3772
01:35:43,967 --> 01:35:44,534
traction from council to change

3773
01:35:44,534 --> 01:35:44,902
that and, and that

3774
01:35:44,902 --> 01:35:45,235
s what we

3775
01:35:45,235 --> 01:35:47,235
re

3776
01:35:48,171 --> 01:35:50,173
doing at this point, but At the

3777
01:35:50,173 --> 01:35:51,107
time that they had applied and

3778
01:35:51,107 --> 01:35:53,107
submitted their application,

3779
01:35:53,977 --> 01:35:55,578
the award was for that final

3780
01:35:55,578 --> 01:35:56,913
board. I think your broader

3781
01:35:56,913 --> 01:35:57,280
question is, what do they apply

3782
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:57,880
for? And that

3783
01:35:57,880 --> 01:35:59,215
s up to the

3784
01:35:59,215 --> 01:36:00,416
applicant. There was different

3785
01:36:00,416 --> 01:36:01,418
categories if you had a

3786
01:36:01,418 --> 01:36:02,853
historic building, if you

3787
01:36:02,853 --> 01:36:04,655
wanted static, if you wanted

3788
01:36:04,655 --> 01:36:06,189
digital, depending on your

3789
01:36:06,189 --> 01:36:08,225
location, they chose which what

3790
01:36:08,225 --> 01:36:09,559
they were applying for and

3791
01:36:09,559 --> 01:36:12,528
which category to be part of. I

3792
01:36:12,528 --> 01:36:15,965
mean this one building, I mean

3793
01:36:15,965 --> 01:36:16,633
all the applicants to speak

3794
01:36:16,633 --> 01:36:18,168
generally in applicant chooses

3795
01:36:18,168 --> 01:36:20,137
just based upon their own

3796
01:36:20,137 --> 01:36:22,537
determination, not because of

3797
01:36:23,730 --> 01:36:24,741
an award from staff saying you

3798
01:36:24,741 --> 01:36:25,976
should only apply for I have

3799
01:36:25,976 --> 01:36:27,177
not, you know, this one

3800
01:36:27,177 --> 01:36:27,511
applicant, I have a historic

3801
01:36:27,511 --> 01:36:28,345
building. I

3802
01:36:28,345 --> 01:36:30,280
m gonna apply for

3803
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:30,480
this type of sign because

3804
01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:30,780
that

3805
01:36:30,780 --> 01:36:31,748
s what I

3806
01:36:31,748 --> 01:36:31,948
m gonna apply for.

3807
01:36:31,948 --> 01:36:32,749
That

3808
01:36:32,749 --> 01:36:34,584
s what I need, you know,

3809
01:36:34,584 --> 01:36:37,221
in order to make this work. Ok,

3810
01:36:37,221 --> 01:36:39,223
um. Then general thank you for

3811
01:36:39,223 --> 01:36:42,590
that. Uh, general points, uh,

3812
01:36:42,590 --> 01:36:43,594
as it relates to this, um, I, I

3813
01:36:43,594 --> 01:36:45,362
think our point here is to kind

3814
01:36:45,362 --> 01:36:47,640
of sit and listen and take

3815
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:49,733
direction from counsel, uh, so

3816
01:36:49,733 --> 01:36:52,235
I am here, especially as the

3817
01:36:52,235 --> 01:36:53,437
rookie on planning to, to take

3818
01:36:53,437 --> 01:36:53,904
clear direction from council on

3819
01:36:53,904 --> 01:36:54,272
what it is that we

3820
01:36:54,272 --> 01:36:55,606
re supposed

3821
01:36:55,606 --> 01:36:58,606
to be doing on dea

3822
01:36:59,510 --> 01:37:01,510
s at. Yeah

3823
01:37:01,679 --> 01:37:02,846
Being new to the commission and

3824
01:37:02,846 --> 01:37:04,140
trying to understand my role

3825
01:37:04,140 --> 01:37:05,482
and educate myself. I

3826
01:37:05,482 --> 01:37:07,284
downloaded, I took Title 19,

3827
01:37:07,284 --> 01:37:08,752
turned it into a pdf and

3828
01:37:08,752 --> 01:37:09,186
downloaded it and it

3829
01:37:09,186 --> 01:37:09,686
s 518

3830
01:37:09,686 --> 01:37:11,155
pages. It

3831
01:37:11,155 --> 01:37:12,123
s here in front of me

3832
01:37:12,123 --> 01:37:12,590
on my iPad. And that

3833
01:37:12,590 --> 01:37:12,790
s enough.

3834
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:13,124
That

3835
01:37:13,124 --> 01:37:14,192
s, that

3836
01:37:14,192 --> 01:37:16,260
s enough to know

3837
01:37:16,260 --> 01:37:19,260
and understand, but then to

3838
01:37:19,330 --> 01:37:19,597
jump into a commission meeting

3839
01:37:19,597 --> 01:37:20,300
where we

3840
01:37:20,300 --> 01:37:21,732
re also recent

3841
01:37:21,732 --> 01:37:23,701
discussions have led us to try

3842
01:37:23,701 --> 01:37:24,234
and unwind the months and

3843
01:37:24,234 --> 01:37:25,736
months of confidential

3844
01:37:25,736 --> 01:37:26,870
negotiations that you all have

3845
01:37:26,870 --> 01:37:29,407
had and also have an

3846
01:37:29,407 --> 01:37:30,842
understanding of that. I I

3847
01:37:30,842 --> 01:37:31,242
think, um, to me, that

3848
01:37:31,242 --> 01:37:32,677
s

3849
01:37:32,677 --> 01:37:33,744
outside of our intended purview,

3850
01:37:33,744 --> 01:37:33,911
uh, whether or not that

3851
01:37:33,911 --> 01:37:34,812
s our

3852
01:37:34,812 --> 01:37:35,112
stated purview, I guess that

3853
01:37:35,112 --> 01:37:35,346
s

3854
01:37:35,346 --> 01:37:36,580
why we

3855
01:37:36,580 --> 01:37:38,482
re here tonight. What is,

3856
01:37:38,482 --> 01:37:38,649
what is our purview? Uh, I

3857
01:37:38,649 --> 01:37:40,584
don

3858
01:37:40,584 --> 01:37:44,184
t think that we should be

3859
01:37:44,521 --> 01:37:46,358
redlining, uh, development, uh,

3860
01:37:46,358 --> 01:37:48,259
DAs on the on the dais. I mean,

3861
01:37:48,259 --> 01:37:49,727
I, I do that enough every day

3862
01:37:49,727 --> 01:37:50,127
in my day job. I don

3863
01:37:50,127 --> 01:37:50,295
t think

3864
01:37:50,295 --> 01:37:51,729
it

3865
01:37:51,729 --> 01:37:53,970
s my role to do that as a

3866
01:37:53,970 --> 01:37:54,565
planning commissioner. That is

3867
01:37:54,565 --> 01:37:56,330
something that you all staff

3868
01:37:56,330 --> 01:37:58,236
and a city attorney and as the

3869
01:37:58,236 --> 01:38:00,271
city attorney. An assistant

3870
01:38:00,271 --> 01:38:01,705
city attorney I spent months

3871
01:38:01,705 --> 01:38:02,390
and months doing. I, I don

3872
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:02,540
t

3873
01:38:02,540 --> 01:38:04,109
think it

3874
01:38:04,109 --> 01:38:05,510
s my job to jump into

3875
01:38:05,510 --> 01:38:07,845
your contract language and say

3876
01:38:07,845 --> 01:38:09,380
whether or not it should read

3877
01:38:09,380 --> 01:38:11,416
slightly differently in this

3878
01:38:11,416 --> 01:38:14,652
clause, but I think that as it

3879
01:38:14,652 --> 01:38:16,954
relates to this discussion, we

3880
01:38:16,954 --> 01:38:19,423
do need clear direction, um. In

3881
01:38:19,423 --> 01:38:20,291
a future item from council that

3882
01:38:20,291 --> 01:38:21,526
actually does codify this. I

3883
01:38:21,526 --> 01:38:22,994
mean, the question is whether

3884
01:38:22,994 --> 01:38:23,795
or not we make a finding on the

3885
01:38:23,795 --> 01:38:25,970
da. I don

3886
01:38:25,970 --> 01:38:25,397
t think we should,

3887
01:38:25,397 --> 01:38:27,332
but I don

3888
01:38:27,332 --> 01:38:27,799
t think It

3889
01:38:27,799 --> 01:38:29,799
s codified

3890
01:38:29,868 --> 01:38:30,669
to say that we shouldn

3891
01:38:30,669 --> 01:38:31,336
t. I

3892
01:38:31,336 --> 01:38:31,769
come, uh, I

3893
01:38:31,769 --> 01:38:32,603
ve been on the

3894
01:38:32,603 --> 01:38:34,603
planning commission for 6

3895
01:38:34,672 --> 01:38:37,108
months, but previous to that,

3896
01:38:37,108 --> 01:38:38,443
uh, I came from the public

3897
01:38:38,443 --> 01:38:40,445
facilities commission and I see

3898
01:38:40,445 --> 01:38:42,314
her in the 2nd row over there,

3899
01:38:42,314 --> 01:38:44,449
but Helen Collins was amazing

3900
01:38:44,449 --> 01:38:46,284
and always letting us know what

3901
01:38:46,284 --> 01:38:47,252
our purview was and also

3902
01:38:47,252 --> 01:38:48,286
interrupting us whenever we got

3903
01:38:48,286 --> 01:38:50,121
outside the bounds of what it

3904
01:38:50,121 --> 01:38:51,890
is that we could do on the

3905
01:38:51,890 --> 01:38:52,557
public facilities commission.

3906
01:38:52,557 --> 01:38:54,580
And at times, uh, that was a

3907
01:38:54,580 --> 01:38:55,627
struggle, and when it was too

3908
01:38:55,627 --> 01:38:57,863
much of a struggle, we actually

3909
01:38:57,863 --> 01:38:58,397
asked our council members.

3910
01:38:58,397 --> 01:38:59,398
Councilmember Meister,

3911
01:38:59,398 --> 01:39:01,398
COUNCILMAN Erickson brought

3912
01:39:02,167 --> 01:39:03,101
forward an item to actually

3913
01:39:03,101 --> 01:39:05,700
change uh the underlying

3914
01:39:05,700 --> 01:39:05,270
language in the ordinance

3915
01:39:05,270 --> 01:39:07,500
that

3916
01:39:07,500 --> 01:39:08,640
s the uh establishing

3917
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:09,941
ordinance for the purview of

3918
01:39:09,941 --> 01:39:10,108
that commission, I

3919
01:39:10,108 --> 01:39:12,100
d ask

3920
01:39:12,100 --> 01:39:14,313
counsel to do the same thing

3921
01:39:14,313 --> 01:39:14,470
again as it relates here. I,

3922
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:16,470
I

3923
01:39:16,682 --> 01:39:19,618
m of the opinion that the

3924
01:39:19,618 --> 01:39:20,419
planning commission has far too

3925
01:39:20,419 --> 01:39:21,687
much discretionary approval

3926
01:39:21,687 --> 01:39:23,155
authority, especially as you

3927
01:39:23,155 --> 01:39:24,656
compare the city of West

3928
01:39:24,656 --> 01:39:25,724
Hollywood Planning Commission

3929
01:39:25,724 --> 01:39:27,893
as compared to uh the Culver

3930
01:39:27,893 --> 01:39:29,940
City Planning Commission. The

3931
01:39:29,940 --> 01:39:30,696
Santa Monica, uh, planning

3932
01:39:30,696 --> 01:39:33,132
commission, the city of la, I

3933
01:39:33,132 --> 01:39:34,566
think that we have way too much

3934
01:39:34,566 --> 01:39:36,568
discretionary approval as it is,

3935
01:39:36,568 --> 01:39:37,569
just as it relates to land use

3936
01:39:37,569 --> 01:39:38,637
and now throwing in this

3937
01:39:38,637 --> 01:39:40,973
whether or not that we should

3938
01:39:40,973 --> 01:39:42,441
be jumping into the da and the

3939
01:39:42,441 --> 01:39:44,409
the public benefits, uh,

3940
01:39:44,409 --> 01:39:45,711
rendered, uh, from your

3941
01:39:45,711 --> 01:39:46,945
negotiations that have taken

3942
01:39:46,945 --> 01:39:47,212
place, uh, I don

3943
01:39:47,212 --> 01:39:49,212
t think we

3944
01:39:50,820 --> 01:39:52,118
should do that, and I think

3945
01:39:52,118 --> 01:39:53,986
that uh if counsel is of that

3946
01:39:53,986 --> 01:39:54,520
mind rather than just having a

3947
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:54,954
discussion about it. I

3948
01:39:54,954 --> 01:39:55,621
m a

3949
01:39:55,621 --> 01:39:55,921
lawyer, so let

3950
01:39:55,921 --> 01:39:57,423
s put it in

3951
01:39:57,423 --> 01:39:57,690
black and white. Let

3952
01:39:57,690 --> 01:39:59,690
s actually

3953
01:40:01,860 --> 01:40:03,595
codify that. Um. Yeah, that

3954
01:40:03,595 --> 01:40:04,496
concludes my comments. Thanks.

3955
01:40:04,496 --> 01:40:06,496
Thank you, Planning

3956
01:40:06,599 --> 01:40:08,000
commissioners. Was there any

3957
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:09,101
second responses, anything? Ok.

3958
01:40:09,101 --> 01:40:10,703
Um, we

3959
01:40:10,703 --> 01:40:12,872
ll move back to the

3960
01:40:12,872 --> 01:40:15,872
council, uh, unless staff had

3961
01:40:16,876 --> 01:40:19,276
any need for clarification

3962
01:40:19,845 --> 01:40:20,813
clarifications questions. Yes.

3963
01:40:20,813 --> 01:40:22,314
Correct specific question, yeah,

3964
01:40:22,314 --> 01:40:23,249
answering the questions,

3965
01:40:23,249 --> 01:40:25,249
providing commentary, providing

3966
01:40:25,518 --> 01:40:25,852
your thoughts. If there

3967
01:40:25,852 --> 01:40:26,653
s any

3968
01:40:26,653 --> 01:40:26,953
direction, remember it

3969
01:40:26,953 --> 01:40:27,920
s about

3970
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:28,421
a future item. There

3971
01:40:28,421 --> 01:40:28,621
s nothing

3972
01:40:28,621 --> 01:40:30,890
that

3973
01:40:30,890 --> 01:40:30,289
s coming out tonight.

3974
01:40:30,289 --> 01:40:30,756
There

3975
01:40:30,756 --> 01:40:33,156
s no motions happening

3976
01:40:33,893 --> 01:40:36,328
tonight. Did you want to, yeah,

3977
01:40:36,328 --> 01:40:39,328
please, Vice Mayor, jump in.

3978
01:40:39,698 --> 01:40:40,199
Jumped in. No I

3979
01:40:40,199 --> 01:40:42,100
ll jump in.

3980
01:40:42,100 --> 01:40:43,103
Maybe not. I

3981
01:40:43,103 --> 01:40:43,262
ll jump in. I

3982
01:40:43,262 --> 01:40:45,262
ll

3983
01:40:47,941 --> 01:40:49,976
jump over. Um So one of the

3984
01:40:49,976 --> 01:40:53,846
things that came up is, uh, and,

3985
01:40:53,846 --> 01:40:57,116
and I think it was very helpful

3986
01:40:57,116 --> 01:41:00,116
to learn how we actually

3987
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:01,721
negotiate and we first try to

3988
01:41:01,721 --> 01:41:01,922
assess the extra value that

3989
01:41:01,922 --> 01:41:02,956
they

3990
01:41:02,956 --> 01:41:05,391
re getting, and then we

3991
01:41:05,391 --> 01:41:08,261
use that as the basis for

3992
01:41:08,261 --> 01:41:10,329
negotiation. I think that needs

3993
01:41:10,329 --> 01:41:10,501
to be explained anytime there

3994
01:41:10,501 --> 01:41:12,331
s

3995
01:41:12,331 --> 01:41:13,733
a development agreement before

3996
01:41:13,733 --> 01:41:15,268
the planning commission and

3997
01:41:15,268 --> 01:41:17,971
before the council so that

3998
01:41:17,971 --> 01:41:19,973
members of the public.

3999
01:41:19,973 --> 01:41:22,373
Understand that we have

4000
01:41:22,809 --> 01:41:24,911
professionals who determine the

4001
01:41:24,911 --> 01:41:26,746
value and negotiate based on

4002
01:41:26,746 --> 01:41:29,549
that value. I think it might

4003
01:41:29,549 --> 01:41:31,170
also be useful. We have this

4004
01:41:31,170 --> 01:41:33,417
package of community benefits

4005
01:41:33,921 --> 01:41:36,356
and I was reviewing it. Maybe

4006
01:41:36,356 --> 01:41:39,726
we need to say every 5 years,

4007
01:41:39,726 --> 01:41:40,860
that needs to be reviewed and

4008
01:41:40,860 --> 01:41:43,229
the planning commission should

4009
01:41:43,229 --> 01:41:44,497
certainly have a role there as

4010
01:41:44,497 --> 01:41:47,497
should the community looking at

4011
01:41:48,601 --> 01:41:50,805
some of them. Parking resources

4012
01:41:50,805 --> 01:41:52,139
still important, but maybe

4013
01:41:52,139 --> 01:41:53,474
things change and that isn

4014
01:41:53,474 --> 01:41:55,409
t as

4015
01:41:55,409 --> 01:41:58,445
important to the community as a

4016
01:41:58,445 --> 01:41:59,413
a community benefit. Um, in

4017
01:41:59,413 --> 01:41:59,713
terms of the planning

4018
01:41:59,713 --> 01:42:01,713
commission

4019
01:42:02,482 --> 01:42:05,482
s role. I mean, part

4020
01:42:06,190 --> 01:42:07,860
of me is kind of agreeing with

4021
01:42:07,860 --> 01:42:10,860
Andrew that maybe they should

4022
01:42:10,791 --> 01:42:11,459
have no role at all in

4023
01:42:11,459 --> 01:42:11,859
recommending the development

4024
01:42:11,859 --> 01:42:12,259
agreement and I

4025
01:42:12,259 --> 01:42:12,460
m not sure

4026
01:42:12,460 --> 01:42:14,460
that

4027
01:42:15,950 --> 01:42:16,630
s what you were saying,

4028
01:42:16,630 --> 01:42:18,630
but it

4029
01:42:18,966 --> 01:42:21,468
s hard to evaluate a

4030
01:42:21,468 --> 01:42:22,903
project without considering the

4031
01:42:22,903 --> 01:42:24,538
benefits that are being

4032
01:42:24,538 --> 01:42:26,908
provided as part of the

4033
01:42:26,908 --> 01:42:27,740
development agreement. I, I, I

4034
01:42:27,740 --> 01:42:27,408
don

4035
01:42:27,408 --> 01:42:28,276
t think there

4036
01:42:28,276 --> 01:42:30,676
s any way to

4037
01:42:31,345 --> 01:42:32,212
do it, to completely separate

4038
01:42:32,212 --> 01:42:33,614
because we

4039
01:42:33,614 --> 01:42:35,614
re asking the

4040
01:42:35,783 --> 01:42:38,183
commission to evaluate this

4041
01:42:38,185 --> 01:42:40,420
project based on the eir based

4042
01:42:40,420 --> 01:42:41,722
on consistency with the general

4043
01:42:41,722 --> 01:42:43,791
plan based on transportation,

4044
01:42:43,791 --> 01:42:45,793
employment, all of the other

4045
01:42:45,793 --> 01:42:48,129
kind of benefits that are

4046
01:42:48,129 --> 01:42:50,264
normally associated with the

4047
01:42:50,264 --> 01:42:51,499
project, plus with these other

4048
01:42:51,499 --> 01:42:52,967
benefits that have been

4049
01:42:52,967 --> 01:42:54,468
negotiated as part of the

4050
01:42:54,468 --> 01:42:55,836
development agreement and based

4051
01:42:55,836 --> 01:42:56,871
on all of that is this a good

4052
01:42:56,871 --> 01:42:58,272
project. So I don

4053
01:42:58,272 --> 01:42:59,773
t think we

4054
01:42:59,773 --> 01:43:02,173
can exclude the development

4055
01:43:02,243 --> 01:43:04,245
agreement and at least the

4056
01:43:04,245 --> 01:43:05,790
terms being uh shared with the

4057
01:43:05,790 --> 01:43:06,470
commission, but it

4058
01:43:06,470 --> 01:43:07,648
s sounding

4059
01:43:07,648 --> 01:43:09,884
like my colleagues are, are of

4060
01:43:09,884 --> 01:43:11,118
the mindset, at least some of

4061
01:43:11,118 --> 01:43:11,819
them that maybe they don

4062
01:43:11,819 --> 01:43:12,620
t have

4063
01:43:12,620 --> 01:43:12,859
a role the commission doesn

4064
01:43:12,859 --> 01:43:14,859
t

4065
01:43:15,956 --> 01:43:18,893
have a role in actually

4066
01:43:18,893 --> 01:43:20,462
recommending the um The da

4067
01:43:20,462 --> 01:43:21,796
going to Lynn

4068
01:43:21,796 --> 01:43:21,996
s Point, maybe

4069
01:43:21,996 --> 01:43:22,897
they

4070
01:43:22,897 --> 01:43:25,297
re just recommending the

4071
01:43:26,801 --> 01:43:28,690
project. Along with uh uh

4072
01:43:28,690 --> 01:43:30,204
assuming that all of these

4073
01:43:30,204 --> 01:43:32,406
benefits in the development

4074
01:43:32,406 --> 01:43:33,974
agreement are approved by the

4075
01:43:33,974 --> 01:43:34,875
council that that MAY be the

4076
01:43:34,875 --> 01:43:36,311
appropriate and I, I don

4077
01:43:36,311 --> 01:43:36,545
t know

4078
01:43:36,545 --> 01:43:37,813
if that

4079
01:43:37,813 --> 01:43:37,985
s even possible, so I,

4080
01:43:37,985 --> 01:43:39,481
I

4081
01:43:39,481 --> 01:43:40,482
m. That

4082
01:43:40,482 --> 01:43:40,652
s kind of where I

4083
01:43:40,652 --> 01:43:42,652
m

4084
01:43:45,153 --> 01:43:46,540
at with this, that. Um, the,

4085
01:43:46,540 --> 01:43:47,455
the commission definitely needs

4086
01:43:47,455 --> 01:43:48,689
to know about the development

4087
01:43:48,689 --> 01:43:50,891
agreement. The public needs to

4088
01:43:50,891 --> 01:43:53,295
know about it. The public needs

4089
01:43:53,295 --> 01:43:56,198
to know the basis for the

4090
01:43:56,198 --> 01:43:58,598
negotiation. I think our

4091
01:43:58,700 --> 01:44:00,168
community benefit menu needs to

4092
01:44:00,168 --> 01:44:02,568
be updated periodically, um,

4093
01:44:02,937 --> 01:44:03,238
and we need the planning

4094
01:44:03,238 --> 01:44:05,390
commission

4095
01:44:05,390 --> 01:44:07,942
s input for that, um,

4096
01:44:07,942 --> 01:44:09,677
and then one final point, um,

4097
01:44:09,677 --> 01:44:10,846
there was mention to about

4098
01:44:10,846 --> 01:44:11,140
several projects that aren

4099
01:44:11,140 --> 01:44:11,847
t

4100
01:44:11,847 --> 01:44:15,170
being built. I do want to point

4101
01:44:15,170 --> 01:44:16,919
out. That two of the major

4102
01:44:16,919 --> 01:44:18,853
projects that we have concerns

4103
01:44:18,853 --> 01:44:20,322
about the Melrose Triangle, the

4104
01:44:20,322 --> 01:44:21,756
Robertson Lane, neither one of

4105
01:44:21,756 --> 01:44:23,224
them were development agreement

4106
01:44:23,224 --> 01:44:24,759
projects, so I just want to

4107
01:44:24,759 --> 01:44:26,594
make sure the public knows that

4108
01:44:26,594 --> 01:44:28,564
as well. There certainly are

4109
01:44:28,564 --> 01:44:29,980
others that were development

4110
01:44:29,980 --> 01:44:30,499
agreements that didn

4111
01:44:30,499 --> 01:44:32,434
t get

4112
01:44:32,434 --> 01:44:34,203
built, but, uh, those two are

4113
01:44:34,203 --> 01:44:36,371
not among them. Thank you, Vice

4114
01:44:36,371 --> 01:44:38,407
Mayor. Councilorm Erickson. Oh,

4115
01:44:38,407 --> 01:44:40,775
goody. Um, thank you so much.

4116
01:44:40,775 --> 01:44:42,143
Um, I am in agreement with what

4117
01:44:42,143 --> 01:44:45,143
Vice Mayor Heilman is saying,

4118
01:44:45,781 --> 01:44:46,782
um, I know, uh Commissioner

4119
01:44:46,782 --> 01:44:48,784
Mattos asked some questions of

4120
01:44:48,784 --> 01:44:51,153
staff. I actually would like to

4121
01:44:51,153 --> 01:44:51,453
hear those answers because I

4122
01:44:51,453 --> 01:44:51,920
think that

4123
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:52,900
s very important. I

4124
01:44:52,900 --> 01:44:53,622
don

4125
01:44:53,622 --> 01:44:53,791
t know if you have those.

4126
01:44:53,791 --> 01:44:54,423
You

4127
01:44:54,423 --> 01:44:57,423
ve been taking Nick, of

4128
01:44:57,826 --> 01:44:58,727
course. And I don

4129
01:44:58,727 --> 01:44:59,694
t know if

4130
01:44:59,694 --> 01:45:01,229
Commissioner Mattos is willing

4131
01:45:01,229 --> 01:45:01,399
to repeat them if you didn

4132
01:45:01,399 --> 01:45:02,631
t

4133
01:45:02,631 --> 01:45:03,933
capture them all, but I think

4134
01:45:03,933 --> 01:45:06,933
that helps with the purview

4135
01:45:13,342 --> 01:45:13,742
conversation. Oh What we

4136
01:45:13,742 --> 01:45:14,309
re

4137
01:45:14,309 --> 01:45:15,244
talking about, we

4138
01:45:15,244 --> 01:45:17,244
re talking

4139
01:45:17,980 --> 01:45:20,917
about an assessment of adequacy

4140
01:45:20,917 --> 01:45:21,951
on the public benefit and if a

4141
01:45:21,951 --> 01:45:23,352
recommendation to counsel to

4142
01:45:23,352 --> 01:45:24,287
assess the adequacy of the

4143
01:45:24,287 --> 01:45:26,589
public benefit is even

4144
01:45:26,589 --> 01:45:28,257
appropriate. Uh, so because

4145
01:45:28,257 --> 01:45:29,525
that has been something that

4146
01:45:29,525 --> 01:45:29,892
has been precedented by this

4147
01:45:29,892 --> 01:45:30,192
body before we

4148
01:45:30,192 --> 01:45:32,192
ve done that

4149
01:45:34,763 --> 01:45:34,930
before. So, one of the ways

4150
01:45:34,930 --> 01:45:36,930
we

4151
01:45:39,469 --> 01:45:39,702
ve couched it in the past is

4152
01:45:39,702 --> 01:45:41,370
that we

4153
01:45:41,370 --> 01:45:42,305
ve said that the

4154
01:45:42,305 --> 01:45:43,873
planning commission weighs in

4155
01:45:43,873 --> 01:45:45,875
on the scope and the range of

4156
01:45:45,875 --> 01:45:47,677
the public benefits, but not on

4157
01:45:47,677 --> 01:45:48,744
the amount of the public

4158
01:45:48,744 --> 01:45:49,111
benefits package. And so it

4159
01:45:49,111 --> 01:45:51,111
s

4160
01:45:51,147 --> 01:45:52,181
the land use components of the

4161
01:45:52,181 --> 01:45:54,249
public benefit package and how

4162
01:45:54,249 --> 01:45:55,952
they relate to the project

4163
01:45:55,952 --> 01:45:56,519
versus the dollar amount. Yes,

4164
01:45:56,519 --> 01:45:57,921
I mean, that

4165
01:45:57,921 --> 01:45:59,823
s my understanding,

4166
01:45:59,823 --> 01:46:02,291
but my question would be to

4167
01:46:02,291 --> 01:46:04,160
counsel. Do you feel that that

4168
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:05,695
is a sufficient way to continue

4169
01:46:05,695 --> 01:46:07,563
moving forward of reviewing

4170
01:46:07,563 --> 01:46:09,565
these projects. I think one of

4171
01:46:09,565 --> 01:46:11,434
the challenges that has led to

4172
01:46:11,434 --> 01:46:13,503
some longer meetings than we

4173
01:46:13,503 --> 01:46:14,337
anticipate is that there

4174
01:46:14,337 --> 01:46:15,500
s a

4175
01:46:15,500 --> 01:46:16,306
lengthy discussion about

4176
01:46:16,306 --> 01:46:17,373
specific contents of the

4177
01:46:17,373 --> 01:46:18,374
development agreements and

4178
01:46:18,374 --> 01:46:21,440
dollar amounts and all of those

4179
01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:22,979
things, but when we get to

4180
01:46:22,979 --> 01:46:24,130
these specific types of

4181
01:46:24,130 --> 01:46:25,614
Recommendations that go to you

4182
01:46:25,614 --> 01:46:27,483
all for discussion. It takes

4183
01:46:27,483 --> 01:46:28,384
the decision making and the

4184
01:46:28,384 --> 01:46:29,185
discussion making out of the

4185
01:46:29,185 --> 01:46:30,721
hands of the planning

4186
01:46:30,721 --> 01:46:31,822
commission, which I think is a

4187
01:46:31,822 --> 01:46:32,889
good thing and puts it to the

4188
01:46:32,889 --> 01:46:34,257
city council. So I kind of

4189
01:46:34,257 --> 01:46:35,910
wanted to see if that

4190
01:46:35,910 --> 01:46:36,760
s

4191
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:38,662
something that you had, uh, as

4192
01:46:38,662 --> 01:46:40,960
something that the body should

4193
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:40,296
continue to practice or if

4194
01:46:40,296 --> 01:46:42,296
that

4195
01:46:42,398 --> 01:46:43,867
s something that you think

4196
01:46:43,867 --> 01:46:46,867
uh we should have absolutely 0

4197
01:46:47,603 --> 01:46:49,600
say in Well, I, I think the

4198
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:50,730
commissioner makes a really

4199
01:46:50,730 --> 01:46:51,508
excellent point because that

4200
01:46:51,508 --> 01:46:53,376
brings about, and I think it

4201
01:46:53,376 --> 01:46:54,478
was the mayor that maybe

4202
01:46:54,478 --> 01:46:55,912
mentioned this about the

4203
01:46:55,912 --> 01:46:57,714
confusion that happens in the

4204
01:46:57,714 --> 01:46:58,815
public then. So people come to

4205
01:46:58,815 --> 01:46:59,849
the planning commission meeting

4206
01:46:59,849 --> 01:47:01,818
as a result and saying, well,

4207
01:47:01,818 --> 01:47:03,720
no, you must renegotiate x

4208
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:05,489
because it should be worth

4209
01:47:05,489 --> 01:47:07,391
actually why. And so you should

4210
01:47:07,391 --> 01:47:08,959
do that right now. And then

4211
01:47:08,959 --> 01:47:11,461
when they see a majority, if

4212
01:47:11,461 --> 01:47:12,629
not all, of the commission vote

4213
01:47:12,629 --> 01:47:14,731
in a different way. They think

4214
01:47:14,731 --> 01:47:14,931
that they got screwed. And that

4215
01:47:14,931 --> 01:47:16,233
they

4216
01:47:16,233 --> 01:47:18,702
re not being listened to.

4217
01:47:18,702 --> 01:47:20,637
And that false actually false

4218
01:47:20,637 --> 01:47:21,400
news type of hope. It

4219
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:22,572
s

4220
01:47:22,572 --> 01:47:23,474
actually detrimental to public

4221
01:47:23,474 --> 01:47:27,740
trust in the process, and that

4222
01:47:27,311 --> 01:47:28,779
has to stop. Period. Um, so I

4223
01:47:28,779 --> 01:47:30,247
agree with the role that I

4224
01:47:30,247 --> 01:47:30,514
think is being laid out. I

4225
01:47:30,514 --> 01:47:31,715
think it

4226
01:47:31,715 --> 01:47:32,616
s really confusing and

4227
01:47:32,616 --> 01:47:33,250
actually unfortunate that the

4228
01:47:33,250 --> 01:47:33,817
public, and I

4229
01:47:33,817 --> 01:47:35,850
ve watched all

4230
01:47:35,850 --> 01:47:36,987
the meetings. I was there when,

4231
01:47:36,987 --> 01:47:38,922
you know, I, I see them, I

4232
01:47:38,922 --> 01:47:39,122
review them, especially when

4233
01:47:39,122 --> 01:47:40,858
there

4234
01:47:40,858 --> 01:47:41,425
s an appeal, um, and I

4235
01:47:41,425 --> 01:47:42,793
think that

4236
01:47:42,793 --> 01:47:43,461
s a really big cause

4237
01:47:43,461 --> 01:47:44,728
of confusion for the public.

4238
01:47:44,728 --> 01:47:46,230
And I think we need to figure

4239
01:47:46,230 --> 01:47:46,830
out a better way to do that,

4240
01:47:46,830 --> 01:47:47,598
right? I

4241
01:47:47,598 --> 01:47:48,833
m in agreement with

4242
01:47:48,833 --> 01:47:49,800
what I think the vice mayor is

4243
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:50,234
talking about. I don

4244
01:47:50,234 --> 01:47:51,735
t know how

4245
01:47:51,735 --> 01:47:52,703
you we put that into a staff

4246
01:47:52,703 --> 01:47:54,400
report. I think we

4247
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:55,872
ll maybe

4248
01:47:55,872 --> 01:47:58,242
have a longer conversation, um,

4249
01:47:58,242 --> 01:47:59,877
and I I think ultimately the

4250
01:47:59,877 --> 01:48:00,111
issue is, is how much of the

4251
01:48:00,111 --> 01:48:02,111
public

4252
01:48:03,314 --> 01:48:03,547
s time are we wasting?

4253
01:48:03,547 --> 01:48:04,849
And I

4254
01:48:04,849 --> 01:48:07,218
m really struggling with

4255
01:48:07,218 --> 01:48:10,218
that because I see planning

4256
01:48:12,456 --> 01:48:13,590
commission meetings, um, Go on

4257
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:15,360
tangents for sometimes hours of

4258
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:17,529
questions that could have been

4259
01:48:17,529 --> 01:48:18,963
answered in an email, um, that

4260
01:48:18,963 --> 01:48:21,365
are answered in the way in the

4261
01:48:21,365 --> 01:48:22,434
public that I think. Cause a

4262
01:48:22,434 --> 01:48:25,434
lot of confusion in this

4263
01:48:26,270 --> 01:48:29,870
process. When it It is very

4264
01:48:30,173 --> 01:48:31,108
clearly laid out, and I want to

4265
01:48:31,108 --> 01:48:31,809
thank Commissioner

4266
01:48:31,809 --> 01:48:33,809
Councilmember Hang, formerly

4267
01:48:34,145 --> 01:48:36,470
commissioner Hang, um,

4268
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:37,883
councilmemb Hang for laying

4269
01:48:37,883 --> 01:48:38,616
that out in 5 succinct

4270
01:48:38,616 --> 01:48:39,417
sentences at the beginning of

4271
01:48:39,417 --> 01:48:39,617
his comments, and that

4272
01:48:39,617 --> 01:48:41,617
s kind

4273
01:48:41,786 --> 01:48:41,986
of been what he said because

4274
01:48:41,986 --> 01:48:43,321
that

4275
01:48:43,321 --> 01:48:44,221
s how I understood this

4276
01:48:44,221 --> 01:48:45,156
commentary. So I

4277
01:48:45,156 --> 01:48:46,223
m trying to

4278
01:48:46,223 --> 01:48:47,625
understand where that rub in

4279
01:48:47,625 --> 01:48:48,626
the road is actually happening.

4280
01:48:48,626 --> 01:48:49,493
I think I know. I

4281
01:48:49,493 --> 01:48:51,493
ll save it

4282
01:48:51,696 --> 01:48:54,696
for later. Um, but additionally,

4283
01:48:55,333 --> 01:48:56,768
um, I also think that we have

4284
01:48:56,768 --> 01:48:57,802
to have a larger conversation

4285
01:48:57,802 --> 01:48:59,103
of if we

4286
01:48:59,103 --> 01:49:01,503
re not getting what?

4287
01:49:01,839 --> 01:49:05,910
If the city is not getting what

4288
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:07,411
we need from a body that we

4289
01:49:07,411 --> 01:49:08,780
appoint direct or at large. We

4290
01:49:08,780 --> 01:49:11,616
have to look at that

4291
01:49:11,616 --> 01:49:12,317
holistically as well. And I

4292
01:49:12,317 --> 01:49:14,619
think holistically looks at,

4293
01:49:14,619 --> 01:49:16,454
well, what does an at-large

4294
01:49:16,454 --> 01:49:17,555
planning commission body look

4295
01:49:17,555 --> 01:49:20,358
like? Because clearly we need

4296
01:49:20,358 --> 01:49:22,894
to put in some different

4297
01:49:22,894 --> 01:49:24,762
Rubicons and a rubric to better

4298
01:49:24,762 --> 01:49:26,198
understand the training that is

4299
01:49:26,198 --> 01:49:27,299
actually required. I know that

4300
01:49:27,299 --> 01:49:28,600
they have the capabilities. I

4301
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:31,000
know Commissioner Jones has

4302
01:49:31,503 --> 01:49:32,938
gone to a conference before on

4303
01:49:32,938 --> 01:49:33,138
planning and land use, but

4304
01:49:33,138 --> 01:49:33,939
that

4305
01:49:33,939 --> 01:49:35,473
s really where it goes out.

4306
01:49:35,473 --> 01:49:35,907
And I know they have that

4307
01:49:35,907 --> 01:49:36,875
opportunity if I

4308
01:49:36,875 --> 01:49:38,910
m wrong, to be

4309
01:49:38,910 --> 01:49:39,577
able to pursue that type of

4310
01:49:39,577 --> 01:49:41,646
educational outreach. So if

4311
01:49:41,646 --> 01:49:43,820
there are commissioners that

4312
01:49:43,820 --> 01:49:44,416
need that extra education. I

4313
01:49:44,416 --> 01:49:46,885
would encourage them to to take

4314
01:49:46,885 --> 01:49:48,954
to it, um. Happy to hear what

4315
01:49:48,954 --> 01:49:51,223
my other colleagues have to say.

4316
01:49:51,223 --> 01:49:52,491
Um, I For the public

4317
01:49:52,491 --> 01:49:52,644
s benefit,

4318
01:49:52,644 --> 01:49:53,758
I

4319
01:49:53,758 --> 01:49:55,727
m frustrated tonight. And I

4320
01:49:55,727 --> 01:49:56,270
want to be honest with that

4321
01:49:56,270 --> 01:49:57,950
because I

4322
01:49:57,950 --> 01:49:58,296
m very clear with

4323
01:49:58,296 --> 01:50:00,696
what the planning commission

4324
01:50:00,933 --> 01:50:01,634
should be doing. I understand

4325
01:50:01,634 --> 01:50:02,134
the commissioner

4326
01:50:02,134 --> 01:50:03,936
s frustration

4327
01:50:03,936 --> 01:50:05,404
and not trying to figure out

4328
01:50:05,404 --> 01:50:05,558
where we want them to be, so

4329
01:50:05,558 --> 01:50:06,972
I

4330
01:50:06,972 --> 01:50:07,873
m glad that we finally got

4331
01:50:07,873 --> 01:50:08,874
here, but we don

4332
01:50:08,874 --> 01:50:10,509
t need to have

4333
01:50:10,509 --> 01:50:12,100
this conversation again. I

4334
01:50:12,100 --> 01:50:13,345
think they should be reviewed

4335
01:50:13,345 --> 01:50:13,879
every 5 years. Of course, I

4336
01:50:13,879 --> 01:50:14,679
think that

4337
01:50:14,679 --> 01:50:16,679
s an excellent

4338
01:50:16,781 --> 01:50:18,350
suggestion. Um, But ultimately,

4339
01:50:18,350 --> 01:50:19,285
if there are planning

4340
01:50:19,285 --> 01:50:19,440
commissioners that don

4341
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:20,619
t

4342
01:50:20,619 --> 01:50:21,186
understand their role, then I

4343
01:50:21,186 --> 01:50:21,821
think that

4344
01:50:21,821 --> 01:50:23,550
s a larger

4345
01:50:23,550 --> 01:50:24,490
conversation. And, and that

4346
01:50:24,490 --> 01:50:24,690
troubles me because I think

4347
01:50:24,690 --> 01:50:26,910
that

4348
01:50:26,910 --> 01:50:27,559
s a waste of public

4349
01:50:27,559 --> 01:50:29,962
dollars and time, and I see

4350
01:50:29,962 --> 01:50:31,596
that. In regards to the sassy

4351
01:50:31,596 --> 01:50:32,431
conversation, um, that is

4352
01:50:32,431 --> 01:50:32,731
troubling, and I think that

4353
01:50:32,731 --> 01:50:34,199
s a

4354
01:50:34,199 --> 01:50:36,102
point that we do need to

4355
01:50:36,102 --> 01:50:36,269
address from the mayor. Um, I

4356
01:50:36,269 --> 01:50:37,736
don

4357
01:50:37,736 --> 01:50:40,606
t know the process. I never

4358
01:50:40,606 --> 01:50:42,608
served on Sassy. I served on

4359
01:50:42,608 --> 01:50:44,510
long range. Um, but

4360
01:50:44,510 --> 01:50:45,644
specifically if a project is

4361
01:50:45,644 --> 01:50:46,111
getting commentary by a

4362
01:50:46,111 --> 01:50:48,111
commissioner or two

4363
01:50:48,180 --> 01:50:49,314
commissioners. S How is that

4364
01:50:49,314 --> 01:50:50,315
coming back as direction? What

4365
01:50:50,315 --> 01:50:50,484
is it happening? And if it

4366
01:50:50,484 --> 01:50:52,840
s

4367
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:53,620
taking 8 to 10 months, we do

4368
01:50:53,620 --> 01:50:55,454
need to look into that because

4369
01:50:55,454 --> 01:50:57,523
8 to 10 months means hundreds

4370
01:50:57,523 --> 01:50:58,858
of thousands of dollars,

4371
01:50:58,858 --> 01:50:59,425
potential redesigns, and we

4372
01:50:59,425 --> 01:51:00,326
want a good project. That

4373
01:51:00,326 --> 01:51:00,559
s not

4374
01:51:00,559 --> 01:51:02,228
what we

4375
01:51:02,228 --> 01:51:03,229
re not saying. Housing

4376
01:51:03,229 --> 01:51:04,763
laws have restricted, you know,

4377
01:51:04,763 --> 01:51:06,665
what we can and cannot do, but

4378
01:51:06,665 --> 01:51:08,167
I think we really need to get

4379
01:51:08,167 --> 01:51:08,533
into how much of the public

4380
01:51:08,533 --> 01:51:10,533
s

4381
01:51:10,570 --> 01:51:11,604
time we are actually wasting in

4382
01:51:11,604 --> 01:51:13,606
some of these processes that

4383
01:51:13,606 --> 01:51:15,475
are taking long to, to

4384
01:51:15,475 --> 01:51:17,243
essentially approve to build

4385
01:51:17,243 --> 01:51:18,277
housing to build a. Affordable

4386
01:51:18,277 --> 01:51:20,146
housing and housing at all

4387
01:51:20,146 --> 01:51:22,810
levels, and to make sure our

4388
01:51:22,810 --> 01:51:23,615
business community, who we love

4389
01:51:23,615 --> 01:51:25,500
and want to support knows that

4390
01:51:25,500 --> 01:51:26,986
when they submit something to

4391
01:51:26,986 --> 01:51:27,988
the city staff who are very

4392
01:51:27,988 --> 01:51:29,589
diligent and work very hard to

4393
01:51:29,589 --> 01:51:29,789
get it through, aren

4394
01:51:29,789 --> 01:51:31,758
t

4395
01:51:31,758 --> 01:51:32,792
harangued at the last second at

4396
01:51:32,792 --> 01:51:33,159
the planning commission level,

4397
01:51:33,159 --> 01:51:33,827
um, when that

4398
01:51:33,827 --> 01:51:35,261
s really not in

4399
01:51:35,261 --> 01:51:35,662
the purview. So i

4400
01:51:35,662 --> 01:51:35,962
m really

4401
01:51:35,962 --> 01:51:37,962
think let

4402
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:40,166
s drill down on those

4403
01:51:40,166 --> 01:51:41,567
points so that way when there

4404
01:51:41,567 --> 01:51:42,468
is confusion at a planning

4405
01:51:42,468 --> 01:51:42,638
commission level, staff, and I

4406
01:51:42,638 --> 01:51:43,502
don

4407
01:51:43,502 --> 01:51:44,300
t know how you manage this.

4408
01:51:44,300 --> 01:51:44,770
Maybe it

4409
01:51:44,770 --> 01:51:45,772
s our city attorney

4410
01:51:45,772 --> 01:51:48,341
who was, I think the city

4411
01:51:48,341 --> 01:51:49,643
attorney when. Was on planning

4412
01:51:49,643 --> 01:51:51,678
commission tells us to know, no,

4413
01:51:51,678 --> 01:51:53,513
no, no, and we have to listen

4414
01:51:53,513 --> 01:51:54,180
to that. So those are all my

4415
01:51:54,180 --> 01:51:55,681
comments right now and thank

4416
01:51:55,681 --> 01:51:57,750
you very much for this diligent

4417
01:51:57,750 --> 01:51:58,751
conversation. Thank you,

4418
01:51:58,751 --> 01:52:00,219
Councilormber Erickson. Um, I

4419
01:52:00,219 --> 01:52:01,387
just want to provide a few

4420
01:52:01,387 --> 01:52:02,756
thoughts on the question about

4421
01:52:02,756 --> 01:52:02,925
adequacy. For me, it doesn

4422
01:52:02,925 --> 01:52:04,910
t

4423
01:52:04,910 --> 01:52:05,580
make sense to get a

4424
01:52:05,580 --> 01:52:05,726
recommendation from the

4425
01:52:05,726 --> 01:52:07,627
planning commission to review

4426
01:52:07,627 --> 01:52:08,829
the adequacy of the public

4427
01:52:08,829 --> 01:52:09,796
benefits. It should be a no

4428
01:52:09,796 --> 01:52:10,363
vote from the planning

4429
01:52:10,363 --> 01:52:11,264
commission if it

4430
01:52:11,264 --> 01:52:12,265
s moving

4431
01:52:12,265 --> 01:52:14,667
forward in the consideration of

4432
01:52:14,667 --> 01:52:14,835
the totality of the project. I

4433
01:52:14,835 --> 01:52:15,802
don

4434
01:52:15,802 --> 01:52:18,710
t understand why specific

4435
01:52:18,710 --> 01:52:19,772
segment of the project would be

4436
01:52:19,772 --> 01:52:20,641
considered a no, especially

4437
01:52:20,641 --> 01:52:22,420
when the opportunity for

4438
01:52:22,420 --> 01:52:22,211
council to deliberate, as we

4439
01:52:22,211 --> 01:52:23,143
ve

4440
01:52:23,143 --> 01:52:23,944
all shared, doesn

4441
01:52:23,944 --> 01:52:25,944
t truly exist

4442
01:52:25,946 --> 01:52:26,114
in that open body. So I think

4443
01:52:26,114 --> 01:52:26,580
it

4444
01:52:26,580 --> 01:52:28,248
s a no vote from the

4445
01:52:28,248 --> 01:52:28,682
planning. Although it

4446
01:52:28,682 --> 01:52:29,649
s hard

4447
01:52:29,649 --> 01:52:30,684
and challenging to sometimes

4448
01:52:30,684 --> 01:52:30,850
say that I think that

4449
01:52:30,850 --> 01:52:31,318
s

4450
01:52:31,318 --> 01:52:32,185
actually what we

4451
01:52:32,185 --> 01:52:33,853
re looking at,

4452
01:52:33,853 --> 01:52:35,555
and I see that, uh, with some

4453
01:52:35,555 --> 01:52:37,591
confidence, just trying to wrap

4454
01:52:37,591 --> 01:52:39,260
my head around so the community,

4455
01:52:39,260 --> 01:52:40,828
the neighborhood, has an

4456
01:52:40,828 --> 01:52:41,895
opportunity to review the scope

4457
01:52:41,895 --> 01:52:42,950
of the public benefits before

4458
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:44,950
they

4459
01:52:44,665 --> 01:52:45,632
re put into any sort of

4460
01:52:45,632 --> 01:52:47,133
formal document uh agreement

4461
01:52:47,133 --> 01:52:47,292
that would come back. So I

4462
01:52:47,292 --> 01:52:47,449
m

4463
01:52:47,449 --> 01:52:49,169
I

4464
01:52:49,169 --> 01:52:51,710
m just understanding as soon

4465
01:52:51,710 --> 01:52:52,472
as uh a project is deemed

4466
01:52:52,472 --> 01:52:54,472
extraordinary beyond the

4467
01:52:54,507 --> 01:52:55,976
general plan, you know,

4468
01:52:55,976 --> 01:52:56,610
warranting a public benefit or

4469
01:52:56,610 --> 01:52:57,778
a development agreement. The

4470
01:52:57,778 --> 01:52:59,447
community has an opportunity to

4471
01:52:59,447 --> 01:53:02,416
weigh in on what the scope of

4472
01:53:02,416 --> 01:53:02,816
that is, correct? Yes, I

4473
01:53:02,816 --> 01:53:03,350
ll say

4474
01:53:03,350 --> 01:53:04,510
one thing, it

4475
01:53:04,510 --> 01:53:05,285
s different for

4476
01:53:05,285 --> 01:53:05,819
the billboard, so we

4477
01:53:05,819 --> 01:53:06,920
re just

4478
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:07,788
talking general public benefit

4479
01:53:07,788 --> 01:53:08,155
projects. I believe there

4480
01:53:08,155 --> 01:53:08,922
s

4481
01:53:08,922 --> 01:53:09,122
only been one project that

4482
01:53:09,122 --> 01:53:11,570
s

4483
01:53:11,570 --> 01:53:13,561
actually gone through the full

4484
01:53:13,561 --> 01:53:15,930
policy so far, and I will let

4485
01:53:15,930 --> 01:53:16,130
Jennifer confirm that, but so

4486
01:53:16,130 --> 01:53:18,320
there

4487
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:21,632
s only been one. Ok, good.

4488
01:53:23,704 --> 01:53:24,772
Ok, um, and then with that said,

4489
01:53:24,772 --> 01:53:25,339
um, because the public has in

4490
01:53:25,339 --> 01:53:26,240
this process that

4491
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:28,640
s set out has

4492
01:53:28,642 --> 01:53:30,211
an opportunity to do that. The

4493
01:53:30,211 --> 01:53:32,611
planning commission is then

4494
01:53:32,814 --> 01:53:34,382
given this. Agreement, you have

4495
01:53:34,382 --> 01:53:34,582
the opportunity to say no, it

4496
01:53:34,582 --> 01:53:35,883
doesn

4497
01:53:35,883 --> 01:53:36,884
t work in service of the

4498
01:53:36,884 --> 01:53:38,252
larger totality of the project

4499
01:53:38,252 --> 01:53:39,186
in accordance with the goals of

4500
01:53:39,186 --> 01:53:40,621
the city or not and move it

4501
01:53:40,621 --> 01:53:42,523
forward to the city which has

4502
01:53:42,523 --> 01:53:43,991
or the council which has the

4503
01:53:43,991 --> 01:53:45,626
same opportunity to say, yes,

4504
01:53:45,626 --> 01:53:47,895
this is going to serve the city

4505
01:53:47,895 --> 01:53:49,464
in the largest way of our goals

4506
01:53:49,464 --> 01:53:51,866
or not, and staff then can take

4507
01:53:51,866 --> 01:53:52,900
it back, work with the

4508
01:53:52,900 --> 01:53:54,268
developer to amend the project

4509
01:53:54,268 --> 01:53:54,902
and bring it back to a process,

4510
01:53:54,902 --> 01:53:55,670
right? I think that

4511
01:53:55,670 --> 01:53:57,205
s sort of

4512
01:53:57,205 --> 01:53:57,405
the question is what happens if

4513
01:53:57,405 --> 01:53:57,905
there

4514
01:53:57,905 --> 01:53:58,239
s a no, no, it

4515
01:53:58,239 --> 01:54:00,174
s not

4516
01:54:00,174 --> 01:54:00,841
going to move forward to city,

4517
01:54:00,841 --> 01:54:02,409
right? We want to see this

4518
01:54:02,409 --> 01:54:02,576
project. Move forward, but if

4519
01:54:02,576 --> 01:54:03,577
we

4520
01:54:03,577 --> 01:54:03,777
re getting no

4521
01:54:03,777 --> 01:54:03,934
s, they

4522
01:54:03,934 --> 01:54:05,934
re

4523
01:54:08,150 --> 01:54:08,316
stuck. Are you It

4524
01:54:08,316 --> 01:54:10,316
s frustrating.

4525
01:54:17,592 --> 01:54:17,820
Just give it a second battery.

4526
01:54:17,820 --> 01:54:18,159
They

4527
01:54:18,159 --> 01:54:18,626
re, they

4528
01:54:18,626 --> 01:54:19,260
re turning them

4529
01:54:19,260 --> 01:54:21,426
off so we don

4530
01:54:22,697 --> 01:54:25,697
t get. Ok, so let

4531
01:54:27,402 --> 01:54:27,635
me, um, Reframe the question.

4532
01:54:27,635 --> 01:54:28,770
So you

4533
01:54:28,770 --> 01:54:29,737
re saying if the project

4534
01:54:29,737 --> 01:54:30,572
goes to the planning commission,

4535
01:54:30,572 --> 01:54:32,972
and the planning commission

4536
01:54:33,410 --> 01:54:34,750
does not agree. Then the

4537
01:54:34,750 --> 01:54:36,475
planning commission would, what

4538
01:54:37,712 --> 01:54:37,912
would Recommend denial, so

4539
01:54:37,912 --> 01:54:39,912
they

4540
01:54:40,649 --> 01:54:43,490
d still move a

4541
01:54:43,151 --> 01:54:45,120
recommendation forward, um, but,

4542
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:46,654
but be recommending for denial.

4543
01:54:46,654 --> 01:54:46,988
Ok. So I think that

4544
01:54:46,988 --> 01:54:47,389
s the

4545
01:54:47,389 --> 01:54:47,722
answer that you

4546
01:54:47,722 --> 01:54:47,989
re looking for.

4547
01:54:47,989 --> 01:54:49,524
You don

4548
01:54:49,524 --> 01:54:49,691
t have to tell us that

4549
01:54:49,691 --> 01:54:50,892
it

4550
01:54:50,892 --> 01:54:52,930
s an inadequate public

4551
01:54:52,930 --> 01:54:53,394
benefits project you recommend

4552
01:54:53,394 --> 01:54:55,196
denial. We have that

4553
01:54:55,196 --> 01:54:55,830
understanding of why that

4554
01:54:55,830 --> 01:54:57,433
recommendation for denial

4555
01:54:57,433 --> 01:54:59,833
happened based on public

4556
01:55:00,350 --> 01:55:01,570
benefit concerns, right? Versus

4557
01:55:01,570 --> 01:55:03,500
moving forward with yes, a

4558
01:55:03,500 --> 01:55:04,720
recommendation, but looking at

4559
01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:04,272
the public benefits. I think

4560
01:55:04,272 --> 01:55:05,340
that

4561
01:55:05,340 --> 01:55:05,974
s the sort of detail on

4562
01:55:05,974 --> 01:55:06,208
the concerns that we

4563
01:55:06,208 --> 01:55:07,775
re getting

4564
01:55:07,775 --> 01:55:09,377
into. Why would they look into

4565
01:55:09,377 --> 01:55:09,544
that level of detail and say

4566
01:55:09,544 --> 01:55:10,679
it

4567
01:55:10,679 --> 01:55:12,347
s inadequate, but then move

4568
01:55:12,347 --> 01:55:14,820
it forward with a yes, but just

4569
01:55:14,820 --> 01:55:15,517
make sure you look at the

4570
01:55:15,517 --> 01:55:15,684
public benefits, right? So

4571
01:55:15,684 --> 01:55:16,585
we

4572
01:55:16,585 --> 01:55:17,453
re saying don

4573
01:55:17,453 --> 01:55:18,954
t piece out

4574
01:55:18,954 --> 01:55:20,956
that one component. Look at,

4575
01:55:20,956 --> 01:55:23,325
look at everything together on

4576
01:55:23,325 --> 01:55:23,992
the whole, ok. Does that make

4577
01:55:23,992 --> 01:55:24,493
sense to everybody that makes

4578
01:55:24,493 --> 01:55:24,893
sense and there

4579
01:55:24,893 --> 01:55:26,428
s clarity there.

4580
01:55:26,428 --> 01:55:27,362
Thank you, Mayor. Great,

4581
01:55:27,362 --> 01:55:30,362
terrific. That was something I

4582
01:55:32,868 --> 01:55:34,136
wanted to drill in on. In the

4583
01:55:34,136 --> 01:55:34,299
Can you is, and correct me if

4584
01:55:34,299 --> 01:55:36,299
I

4585
01:55:37,339 --> 01:55:38,307
m wrong, are you allowed to

4586
01:55:38,307 --> 01:55:39,274
deny recommending a project

4587
01:55:39,274 --> 01:55:42,274
based on public benefits, not

4588
01:55:45,180 --> 01:55:46,682
based on the land use. Well,

4589
01:55:46,682 --> 01:55:48,490
the development agreements are

4590
01:55:48,490 --> 01:55:48,650
100% discretionary, right? And

4591
01:55:48,650 --> 01:55:50,619
then as we

4592
01:55:50,619 --> 01:55:52,121
ve talked about, one

4593
01:55:52,121 --> 01:55:53,122
of the um all the findings are,

4594
01:55:53,122 --> 01:55:53,989
are in the best interests of

4595
01:55:53,989 --> 01:55:55,791
the city. It would have, we

4596
01:55:55,791 --> 01:55:56,926
would tie it to findings. We

4597
01:55:56,926 --> 01:55:58,327
would always tell the

4598
01:55:58,327 --> 01:55:59,261
commission, tell us what your

4599
01:55:59,261 --> 01:55:59,418
reasons for denial are. We

4600
01:55:59,418 --> 01:56:00,729
d

4601
01:56:00,729 --> 01:56:01,730
probably have to come back and

4602
01:56:01,730 --> 01:56:03,650
write a resolution because it

4603
01:56:03,650 --> 01:56:04,633
would be very different and we

4604
01:56:04,633 --> 01:56:05,567
would want to memorialize what

4605
01:56:05,567 --> 01:56:07,102
the commission was saying, and

4606
01:56:07,102 --> 01:56:08,370
it would have to be tied to

4607
01:56:08,370 --> 01:56:08,404
these specific findings. So

4608
01:56:08,404 --> 01:56:08,971
tell us why it

4609
01:56:08,971 --> 01:56:10,390
s not in the

4610
01:56:10,390 --> 01:56:10,640
best interest of the city, or

4611
01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:12,740
tell us why it

4612
01:56:12,740 --> 01:56:12,908
s not consistent

4613
01:56:12,908 --> 01:56:14,376
with the general plan or why it

4614
01:56:14,376 --> 01:56:17,713
has this impact. So we would

4615
01:56:17,713 --> 01:56:19,615
tie it to the findings, always.

4616
01:56:19,615 --> 01:56:20,616
Terrific. That makes sense. Is

4617
01:56:20,616 --> 01:56:21,350
that clear to everybody in

4618
01:56:21,350 --> 01:56:23,719
response to that question? Ok,

4619
01:56:23,719 --> 01:56:26,890
terrific. Councilmemb Hang, did

4620
01:56:26,890 --> 01:56:27,757
you want to jump in? Thank you,

4621
01:56:27,757 --> 01:56:30,757
Mayor. Just a couple of

4622
01:56:31,427 --> 01:56:34,296
thoughts, um. As a rookie

4623
01:56:34,296 --> 01:56:34,930
myself, um, you know, uh, I

4624
01:56:34,930 --> 01:56:35,564
believe commissioner Solomon

4625
01:56:35,564 --> 01:56:37,564
mentioned something earlier,

4626
01:56:38,734 --> 01:56:39,335
you know, like, what is staff

4627
01:56:39,335 --> 01:56:41,335
s

4628
01:56:41,670 --> 01:56:43,106
role in ensuring that

4629
01:56:43,106 --> 01:56:45,410
commissioners are not stepping

4630
01:56:45,410 --> 01:56:47,810
outside of their purview. I

4631
01:56:47,810 --> 01:56:51,410
think that should be sort of

4632
01:56:53,549 --> 01:56:55,518
recognized and um Come to an

4633
01:56:55,518 --> 01:56:56,986
agreement on stepping outside

4634
01:56:56,986 --> 01:56:58,888
their purview on development

4635
01:56:58,888 --> 01:57:00,824
agreements and other

4636
01:57:00,824 --> 01:57:02,292
non-discretionary items. And

4637
01:57:02,292 --> 01:57:03,226
are there acceptable standards

4638
01:57:03,226 --> 01:57:04,694
or protocols for

4639
01:57:04,694 --> 01:57:05,395
recommendations proposed by

4640
01:57:05,395 --> 01:57:07,795
planning commissioners. Um, if

4641
01:57:08,565 --> 01:57:09,966
not, I think. At a later time

4642
01:57:09,966 --> 01:57:11,467
we could provide direction to

4643
01:57:11,467 --> 01:57:13,402
sort of create that. That way

4644
01:57:13,402 --> 01:57:16,272
it just prevents, you know,

4645
01:57:16,272 --> 01:57:17,674
various proposals and changes

4646
01:57:17,674 --> 01:57:20,740
related to unfounded concerns

4647
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:22,779
that are personal in nature to

4648
01:57:22,779 --> 01:57:25,179
commissioners, um. You know,

4649
01:57:27,383 --> 01:57:28,918
for example, tree species or

4650
01:57:28,918 --> 01:57:30,253
Double lines going into

4651
01:57:30,253 --> 01:57:33,253
establishments, um, so I think

4652
01:57:34,900 --> 01:57:35,559
that. Should be recognized. And

4653
01:57:35,559 --> 01:57:36,960
also I understand that the

4654
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:39,360
public benefits payments are

4655
01:57:39,563 --> 01:57:42,320
negotiated um. My city staff,

4656
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:42,499
which is made clear by tonight.

4657
01:57:42,499 --> 01:57:43,934
And it

4658
01:57:43,934 --> 01:57:46,690
s based on direction

4659
01:57:46,690 --> 01:57:47,770
from the city council, um, to

4660
01:57:47,770 --> 01:57:50,206
me, it would make the most

4661
01:57:50,206 --> 01:57:51,340
sense that the city council

4662
01:57:51,340 --> 01:57:53,740
provides direction on what

4663
01:57:53,911 --> 01:57:57,511
amounts we want to see. Uh,

4664
01:57:57,681 --> 01:57:58,649
both today and also during

4665
01:57:58,649 --> 01:57:59,783
specific development agreement

4666
01:57:59,783 --> 01:58:02,183
discussions when they come

4667
01:58:02,552 --> 01:58:04,420
before us as a body, um, as an

4668
01:58:04,420 --> 01:58:06,890
agenda item. Um, does the

4669
01:58:06,890 --> 01:58:08,291
planning commission have a role

4670
01:58:08,291 --> 01:58:10,940
in debating the merits of the

4671
01:58:10,940 --> 01:58:12,229
negotiated dollar amounts. It

4672
01:58:12,229 --> 01:58:12,389
seems to me that that

4673
01:58:12,389 --> 01:58:13,664
s

4674
01:58:13,664 --> 01:58:14,865
specific issues outside of

4675
01:58:14,865 --> 01:58:15,320
their purview, which is what

4676
01:58:15,320 --> 01:58:16,700
we

4677
01:58:16,700 --> 01:58:17,200
re discussing tonight. And I

4678
01:58:17,200 --> 01:58:17,568
also think it

4679
01:58:17,568 --> 01:58:19,568
s important that

4680
01:58:19,970 --> 01:58:22,472
we as a city council provide

4681
01:58:22,472 --> 01:58:23,373
direction at a later meeting,

4682
01:58:23,373 --> 01:58:24,908
um, to the planning commission,

4683
01:58:24,908 --> 01:58:26,743
uh, so that they can spend

4684
01:58:26,743 --> 01:58:28,913
their important time focused on

4685
01:58:28,913 --> 01:58:30,881
what is actually within their

4686
01:58:30,881 --> 01:58:32,450
purview and not on things that

4687
01:58:32,450 --> 01:58:34,518
straight outside of what their

4688
01:58:34,518 --> 01:58:37,518
purview actually is. Uh, they

4689
01:58:38,956 --> 01:58:39,890
have a very important role, um,

4690
01:58:39,890 --> 01:58:40,357
and looking at what

4691
01:58:40,357 --> 01:58:40,557
s required,

4692
01:58:40,557 --> 01:58:42,292
that

4693
01:58:42,292 --> 01:58:44,161
s required a lot of them,

4694
01:58:44,161 --> 01:58:47,970
right? And not only will this

4695
01:58:47,970 --> 01:58:49,660
clear up and provide direction

4696
01:58:49,660 --> 01:58:51,466
uh to allow planning

4697
01:58:51,469 --> 01:58:52,970
commissioners to focus on their

4698
01:58:52,970 --> 01:58:55,339
important time on their rules,

4699
01:58:55,339 --> 01:58:56,874
but it also helps city staff

4700
01:58:56,874 --> 01:58:58,208
better prepare for planning

4701
01:58:58,208 --> 01:59:00,608
commission meetings. It helps

4702
01:59:00,744 --> 01:59:02,613
staff to not get super

4703
01:59:02,613 --> 01:59:03,314
overwhelmed by working on

4704
01:59:03,314 --> 01:59:06,183
unrelated issues brought at the

4705
01:59:06,183 --> 01:59:08,419
last. Minute by commissioners

4706
01:59:08,419 --> 01:59:09,820
and hopefully it will make the

4707
01:59:09,820 --> 01:59:12,256
meetings run smoother and not

4708
01:59:12,256 --> 01:59:14,225
like 567 hours sometimes. I

4709
01:59:14,225 --> 01:59:14,959
mean, I was in Japan and I

4710
01:59:14,959 --> 01:59:15,593
watched that planning

4711
01:59:15,593 --> 01:59:17,895
commission meeting that went

4712
01:59:17,895 --> 01:59:19,831
till 2 in the morning, um, so I,

4713
01:59:19,831 --> 01:59:21,831
I think. It

4714
01:59:22,167 --> 01:59:23,368
s a lot of fun. So,

4715
01:59:23,368 --> 01:59:25,670
uh, you know, those are my

4716
01:59:25,670 --> 01:59:26,371
comments. Uh, thank you, Mayor.

4717
01:59:26,371 --> 01:59:28,371
Thank you, Councillormermeister.

4718
01:59:32,576 --> 01:59:34,211
Thank you, Mayor. So I have a

4719
01:59:34,211 --> 01:59:34,945
few comments, um, I

4720
01:59:34,945 --> 01:59:36,945
ve been

4721
01:59:37,849 --> 01:59:39,284
watching planning commission

4722
01:59:39,284 --> 01:59:41,453
meetings since 1998 and there

4723
01:59:41,453 --> 01:59:43,188
were DAs that were discussed

4724
01:59:43,188 --> 01:59:44,656
during that time and somehow

4725
01:59:44,656 --> 01:59:47,560
the planning commission managed

4726
01:59:47,258 --> 01:59:49,694
to get through it. Um, We had a

4727
01:59:49,694 --> 01:59:52,940
city attorney, Christie Hogan,

4728
01:59:53,640 --> 01:59:55,401
who when we got out of our lane

4729
01:59:55,401 --> 01:59:55,834
would shut us down. She

4730
01:59:55,834 --> 01:59:56,340
d say

4731
01:59:56,340 --> 01:59:58,340
that

4732
01:59:58,203 --> 01:59:58,770
s not in your purview. So

4733
01:59:58,770 --> 01:59:59,904
if that

4734
01:59:59,904 --> 02:00:02,107
s not happening in

4735
02:00:02,107 --> 02:00:02,540
planning commission, that is

4736
02:00:02,540 --> 02:00:02,841
the city attorney

4737
02:00:02,841 --> 02:00:04,309
s role, and

4738
02:00:04,309 --> 02:00:06,811
that is something the city

4739
02:00:06,811 --> 02:00:07,912
attorney needs to look at.

4740
02:00:07,912 --> 02:00:10,912
Something was said here tonight.

4741
02:00:13,385 --> 02:00:16,221
Uh, Lauren, you said, why is,

4742
02:00:16,221 --> 02:00:16,556
why is legal, uh, you said

4743
02:00:16,556 --> 02:00:18,156
sometimes we

4744
02:00:18,156 --> 02:00:19,257
re seeing it for

4745
02:00:19,257 --> 02:00:20,920
the first time when we

4746
02:00:20,920 --> 02:00:22,920
re there.

4747
02:00:23,595 --> 02:00:26,431
That should never be happening.

4748
02:00:26,431 --> 02:00:28,366
Legal should be reading the

4749
02:00:28,366 --> 02:00:30,736
planning commission agenda from

4750
02:00:30,736 --> 02:00:33,405
from top to bottom before the

4751
02:00:33,405 --> 02:00:34,773
meeting. The whole thing and

4752
02:00:34,773 --> 02:00:36,275
the contracts, you know, some

4753
02:00:36,275 --> 02:00:38,275
of, no. That

4754
02:00:39,211 --> 02:00:41,579
s a correction for

4755
02:00:41,579 --> 02:00:42,614
the ok, but there have been

4756
02:00:42,614 --> 02:00:42,814
times when somebody said he

4757
02:00:42,814 --> 02:00:44,814
hadn

4758
02:00:45,490 --> 02:00:46,417
t read it the day of the

4759
02:00:46,417 --> 02:00:47,653
planning commission meeting, ok?

4760
02:00:47,653 --> 02:00:48,820
And that shouldn

4761
02:00:48,820 --> 02:00:50,820
t be happening

4762
02:00:52,391 --> 02:00:55,991
and especially with the da. If

4763
02:00:56,280 --> 02:00:59,280
a commissioner Who just happens

4764
02:00:59,998 --> 02:01:00,899
to have, uh you know,

4765
02:01:00,899 --> 02:01:01,399
concentrated uh in contracts,

4766
02:01:01,399 --> 02:01:02,968
so she

4767
02:01:02,968 --> 02:01:04,369
s very, very

4768
02:01:04,369 --> 02:01:06,369
commissioner Hoopen Garner,

4769
02:01:06,772 --> 02:01:08,307
very, very familiar with

4770
02:01:08,307 --> 02:01:09,108
contracts, hadn

4771
02:01:09,108 --> 02:01:10,642
t read the

4772
02:01:10,642 --> 02:01:12,440
contract and brought things up,

4773
02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:15,440
the contract would have been

4774
02:01:15,514 --> 02:01:17,349
wrong. So if we are going to

4775
02:01:17,349 --> 02:01:19,785
take away the the specifics of

4776
02:01:19,785 --> 02:01:20,850
looking at a da from planning

4777
02:01:20,850 --> 02:01:21,219
commission

4778
02:01:21,219 --> 02:01:23,489
s purview, then I

4779
02:01:23,489 --> 02:01:23,756
want to know that the city

4780
02:01:23,756 --> 02:01:25,756
attorney

4781
02:01:26,920 --> 02:01:27,593
s office is going to

4782
02:01:27,593 --> 02:01:30,593
be looking at those contracts

4783
02:01:31,497 --> 02:01:32,564
with a fine tooth comb. It is

4784
02:01:32,564 --> 02:01:34,466
not acceptable for those

4785
02:01:34,466 --> 02:01:36,902
contracts to be going to

4786
02:01:36,902 --> 02:01:39,302
planning commission and not

4787
02:01:39,706 --> 02:01:41,774
being looked at very, very

4788
02:01:41,774 --> 02:01:44,610
carefully because this is uh 20

4789
02:01:44,610 --> 02:01:45,211
year contract or a 30 year

4790
02:01:45,211 --> 02:01:47,611
contract and those contracts

4791
02:01:51,484 --> 02:01:51,984
have to be looked at. Um, If,

4792
02:01:51,984 --> 02:01:53,452
if it

4793
02:01:53,452 --> 02:01:53,919
s not under pc

4794
02:01:53,919 --> 02:01:55,200
s purview,

4795
02:01:55,200 --> 02:01:55,654
then maybe there shouldn

4796
02:01:55,654 --> 02:01:57,654
t be a

4797
02:01:57,724 --> 02:02:00,393
resolution for the da. There

4798
02:02:00,393 --> 02:02:01,861
should not be a resolution that

4799
02:02:01,861 --> 02:02:04,261
that the planning commission

4800
02:02:05,264 --> 02:02:07,667
has to sign to say that they

4801
02:02:07,667 --> 02:02:09,235
have the findings that they are

4802
02:02:09,235 --> 02:02:09,390
ok with the da if they don

4803
02:02:09,390 --> 02:02:10,202
t

4804
02:02:10,202 --> 02:02:12,571
have the purview to make

4805
02:02:12,571 --> 02:02:14,908
comments about it. It makes no

4806
02:02:14,908 --> 02:02:17,811
sense to have a resolution that

4807
02:02:17,811 --> 02:02:19,746
they have to sign. There should

4808
02:02:19,746 --> 02:02:21,414
be then one resolution and one

4809
02:02:21,414 --> 02:02:24,583
of the findings of the many

4810
02:02:24,583 --> 02:02:27,190
findings can be. We like the da

4811
02:02:27,190 --> 02:02:29,455
or whatever, we, we find that

4812
02:02:29,455 --> 02:02:30,890
the da is acceptable or, or

4813
02:02:30,890 --> 02:02:33,293
adequate or whatever word you

4814
02:02:33,293 --> 02:02:33,527
want to use, but, um, they

4815
02:02:33,527 --> 02:02:35,295
shouldn

4816
02:02:35,295 --> 02:02:35,996
t have to sign a

4817
02:02:35,996 --> 02:02:36,229
resolution that says they

4818
02:02:36,229 --> 02:02:37,363
re

4819
02:02:37,363 --> 02:02:37,831
good with it. If they don

4820
02:02:37,831 --> 02:02:38,798
t get

4821
02:02:38,798 --> 02:02:39,320
to do it. If they don

4822
02:02:39,320 --> 02:02:40,266
t get to

4823
02:02:40,266 --> 02:02:40,466
look at it, if they don

4824
02:02:40,466 --> 02:02:42,466
t get

4825
02:02:44,103 --> 02:02:45,710
to criticize it. The fact that

4826
02:02:45,710 --> 02:02:45,671
Some of my colleagues think

4827
02:02:45,671 --> 02:02:46,239
that we shouldn

4828
02:02:46,239 --> 02:02:48,239
t even be

4829
02:02:50,430 --> 02:02:51,912
looking at it. If there are no

4830
02:02:51,912 --> 02:02:54,347
checks and balances in this

4831
02:02:54,347 --> 02:02:54,648
city with regard to whatever

4832
02:02:54,648 --> 02:02:55,815
whether it

4833
02:02:55,815 --> 02:02:57,717
s approval of a

4834
02:02:57,717 --> 02:03:00,253
project, approval of a da,

4835
02:03:00,253 --> 02:03:01,754
whatever it is. Then we are

4836
02:03:01,754 --> 02:03:02,622
done. There

4837
02:03:02,622 --> 02:03:04,190
s no purpose. There

4838
02:03:04,190 --> 02:03:04,557
has to be checks and balances.

4839
02:03:04,557 --> 02:03:05,491
We can

4840
02:03:05,491 --> 02:03:05,992
t expect that it

4841
02:03:05,992 --> 02:03:07,528
s only

4842
02:03:07,528 --> 02:03:08,495
staff that looks at something

4843
02:03:08,495 --> 02:03:11,495
with a consultant, with a

4844
02:03:12,265 --> 02:03:13,934
developer. We have to be able

4845
02:03:13,934 --> 02:03:15,669
to look at that and say, you

4846
02:03:15,669 --> 02:03:18,104
know what, this is not good

4847
02:03:18,104 --> 02:03:20,106
enough for our city. Yes, we do

4848
02:03:20,106 --> 02:03:22,800
need $1 million more. Yes, we

4849
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:25,800
do need this public benefit.

4850
02:03:26,347 --> 02:03:27,815
And the idea, like I that I

4851
02:03:27,815 --> 02:03:29,716
read about the um community,

4852
02:03:29,716 --> 02:03:31,785
the public input, and the fact

4853
02:03:31,785 --> 02:03:33,620
that the community at a

4854
02:03:33,620 --> 02:03:36,200
community meeting is supposed

4855
02:03:36,990 --> 02:03:38,580
to be able to give feedback on

4856
02:03:38,580 --> 02:03:39,225
the community benefits menu. I

4857
02:03:39,225 --> 02:03:39,392
know for a fact that

4858
02:03:39,392 --> 02:03:41,294
s not

4859
02:03:41,294 --> 02:03:42,396
happening. That you is not

4860
02:03:42,396 --> 02:03:44,398
going to community meetings. By

4861
02:03:44,398 --> 02:03:47,100
the time it goes to a community

4862
02:03:47,100 --> 02:03:48,635
meeting, the, the idea of

4863
02:03:48,635 --> 02:03:50,237
whatever the the developer has

4864
02:03:50,237 --> 02:03:52,390
decided we want to give. This

4865
02:03:52,390 --> 02:03:53,907
is what we are going to give in

4866
02:03:53,907 --> 02:03:55,409
exchange for that. That is what

4867
02:03:55,409 --> 02:03:56,543
is presented to the community.

4868
02:03:56,543 --> 02:03:57,878
So when they come to the

4869
02:03:57,878 --> 02:04:00,214
planning commission, are you

4870
02:04:00,214 --> 02:04:00,848
going to tell the community?

4871
02:04:00,848 --> 02:04:02,848
Sorry, you can

4872
02:04:03,117 --> 02:04:03,751
t talk about the

4873
02:04:03,751 --> 02:04:03,907
public benefits because we

4874
02:04:03,907 --> 02:04:05,286
re

4875
02:04:05,286 --> 02:04:05,619
not in charge of the public

4876
02:04:05,619 --> 02:04:06,153
benefits. We

4877
02:04:06,153 --> 02:04:07,755
re, I mean, not in

4878
02:04:07,755 --> 02:04:08,922
charge. We don

4879
02:04:08,922 --> 02:04:09,623
t recommend

4880
02:04:09,623 --> 02:04:09,990
about the public benefits, and

4881
02:04:09,990 --> 02:04:11,458
I think that

4882
02:04:11,458 --> 02:04:12,860
s kind of a

4883
02:04:12,860 --> 02:04:13,190
slippery slope when you

4884
02:04:13,190 --> 02:04:14,728
re

4885
02:04:14,728 --> 02:04:16,764
going to basically have people

4886
02:04:16,764 --> 02:04:19,100
coming from the public saying

4887
02:04:19,100 --> 02:04:20,701
yeah or nay or whatever, and,

4888
02:04:20,701 --> 02:04:23,337
and just in response to

4889
02:04:23,337 --> 02:04:23,494
councilmember. Erickson

4890
02:04:23,494 --> 02:04:25,494
s

4891
02:04:25,573 --> 02:04:26,574
comments about, you know, what

4892
02:04:26,574 --> 02:04:28,609
service or disservice are we

4893
02:04:28,609 --> 02:04:30,100
doing to the public? I have

4894
02:04:30,100 --> 02:04:33,100
only had residents call me

4895
02:04:33,814 --> 02:04:35,750
after a meeting to say thank

4896
02:04:35,750 --> 02:04:36,784
GOD this person asks questions.

4897
02:04:36,784 --> 02:04:38,784
If we don

4898
02:04:39,720 --> 02:04:41,880
t ask the questions,

4899
02:04:41,880 --> 02:04:43,230
then we are basically this

4900
02:04:43,230 --> 02:04:43,291
commission is a rubber stamp

4901
02:04:43,291 --> 02:04:44,959
and that

4902
02:04:44,959 --> 02:04:47,494
s all they are is a

4903
02:04:47,494 --> 02:04:49,296
rubber stamp for whatever staff

4904
02:04:49,296 --> 02:04:51,933
recommends, um, is my head

4905
02:04:51,933 --> 02:04:54,933
exploding yet? No, ok, um.

4906
02:04:56,738 --> 02:04:59,140
Exception. Thank you. Uh, yes,

4907
02:04:59,140 --> 02:04:59,302
extraordinary. I, I know it

4908
02:04:59,302 --> 02:05:01,302
s

4909
02:05:01,542 --> 02:05:04,542
just extraordinary, um, so, so

4910
02:05:05,479 --> 02:05:06,780
I think that As, as, as the

4911
02:05:06,780 --> 02:05:07,682
mayor said, if we don

4912
02:05:07,682 --> 02:05:09,682
t want

4913
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:12,988
the da to be as as the

4914
02:05:12,988 --> 02:05:14,155
specifics of the da to be in

4915
02:05:14,155 --> 02:05:15,690
the purview, then they should

4916
02:05:15,690 --> 02:05:17,559
be looking at it as an entire

4917
02:05:17,559 --> 02:05:19,360
project. If a commissioner

4918
02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:21,862
thinks that the that the da

4919
02:05:21,862 --> 02:05:22,897
sucks, then just vote no. Vote

4920
02:05:22,897 --> 02:05:23,831
no, but then don

4921
02:05:23,831 --> 02:05:25,766
t have a

4922
02:05:25,766 --> 02:05:28,203
resolution that they have to

4923
02:05:28,203 --> 02:05:29,605
vote for that talks about the

4924
02:05:29,605 --> 02:05:29,805
specifics of that da because

4925
02:05:29,805 --> 02:05:30,505
that

4926
02:05:30,505 --> 02:05:30,672
s not fair and it

4927
02:05:30,672 --> 02:05:32,672
s not

4928
02:05:36,344 --> 02:05:37,812
right. Um Again, contract

4929
02:05:37,812 --> 02:05:39,747
issues have to be, that has to

4930
02:05:39,747 --> 02:05:41,683
be dealt with by, uh, with our

4931
02:05:41,683 --> 02:05:43,184
city attor with our lawyers

4932
02:05:43,184 --> 02:05:46,121
with bbk. They have to be

4933
02:05:46,121 --> 02:05:46,288
looking at those, at those uh

4934
02:05:46,288 --> 02:05:48,288
da

4935
02:05:48,490 --> 02:05:48,724
s much more carefully and,

4936
02:05:48,724 --> 02:05:50,559
and I

4937
02:05:50,559 --> 02:05:52,861
m also just gonna say by

4938
02:05:52,861 --> 02:05:55,630
the time the public benefits

4939
02:05:55,630 --> 02:05:57,799
package comes to us, the train

4940
02:05:57,799 --> 02:05:57,966
has left the station. And so

4941
02:05:57,966 --> 02:05:59,966
it

4942
02:06:00,235 --> 02:06:01,703
s very hard at that point

4943
02:06:01,703 --> 02:06:03,606
then to negotiate something

4944
02:06:03,606 --> 02:06:06,600
else, especially since the

4945
02:06:06,508 --> 02:06:07,542
community has not really had

4946
02:06:07,542 --> 02:06:07,809
that opportunity, especially if

4947
02:06:07,809 --> 02:06:09,809
they don

4948
02:06:10,379 --> 02:06:11,847
t get to talk about it

4949
02:06:11,847 --> 02:06:13,348
at the community meeting. So

4950
02:06:13,348 --> 02:06:15,250
that means that at the

4951
02:06:15,250 --> 02:06:17,152
community meeting, they have to

4952
02:06:17,152 --> 02:06:19,155
be given that community

4953
02:06:19,155 --> 02:06:21,623
benefits menu and be asked,

4954
02:06:21,623 --> 02:06:22,725
what would you like to see as

4955
02:06:22,725 --> 02:06:25,125
your community benefits. This

4956
02:06:25,694 --> 02:06:26,361
is, this is our list. Any of

4957
02:06:26,361 --> 02:06:28,764
these look good? Any other?

4958
02:06:28,764 --> 02:06:29,298
That you want to add because if

4959
02:06:29,298 --> 02:06:30,465
you don

4960
02:06:30,465 --> 02:06:30,866
t let the community

4961
02:06:30,866 --> 02:06:31,700
speak then, it

4962
02:06:31,700 --> 02:06:34,100
s sort of like,

4963
02:06:34,102 --> 02:06:34,903
well, you know, speak now or

4964
02:06:34,903 --> 02:06:37,600
forever hold your peace because

4965
02:06:37,600 --> 02:06:37,173
by the time it comes to us,

4966
02:06:37,173 --> 02:06:37,940
it

4967
02:06:37,940 --> 02:06:39,675
s, it

4968
02:06:39,675 --> 02:06:39,875
s left the station.

4969
02:06:39,875 --> 02:06:41,875
That

4970
02:06:42,440 --> 02:06:43,545
s it. Thank you. Thank you.

4971
02:06:43,545 --> 02:06:45,915
Um, I want to pick up on a

4972
02:06:45,915 --> 02:06:48,350
couple of pieces that were just

4973
02:06:48,350 --> 02:06:50,152
laid down, um, first, uh, as I

4974
02:06:50,152 --> 02:06:51,720
look at the community benefits

4975
02:06:51,720 --> 02:06:53,288
conversation, we have to name

4976
02:06:53,288 --> 02:06:54,657
that these public benefits,

4977
02:06:54,657 --> 02:06:55,591
these benefits that get

4978
02:06:55,591 --> 02:06:58,940
delivered to the public on

4979
02:06:58,940 --> 02:06:58,995
behalf of a project that is

4980
02:06:58,995 --> 02:07:00,995
deemed exceptional

4981
02:07:01,630 --> 02:07:02,965
extraordinary, something beyond

4982
02:07:02,965 --> 02:07:05,301
the general land code that

4983
02:07:05,301 --> 02:07:06,802
exists, um, cost the project

4984
02:07:06,802 --> 02:07:06,963
things. And so I think that

4985
02:07:06,963 --> 02:07:07,903
s

4986
02:07:07,903 --> 02:07:08,700
important to name because what

4987
02:07:08,700 --> 02:07:10,700
we

4988
02:07:10,205 --> 02:07:12,750
re doing is trying to find a

4989
02:07:12,750 --> 02:07:13,176
balance in what becomes uh

4990
02:07:13,176 --> 02:07:15,478
Exceptional public offering on

4991
02:07:15,478 --> 02:07:16,512
the back of a project that is

4992
02:07:16,512 --> 02:07:17,447
already potentially in line

4993
02:07:17,447 --> 02:07:17,980
with our city

4994
02:07:17,980 --> 02:07:19,649
s goals and

4995
02:07:19,649 --> 02:07:20,249
values, um, and that

4996
02:07:20,249 --> 02:07:21,784
s an

4997
02:07:21,784 --> 02:07:22,685
amazing opportunity we have,

4998
02:07:22,685 --> 02:07:24,220
but a delicate balance to

4999
02:07:24,220 --> 02:07:24,653
strike, and I think there

5000
02:07:24,653 --> 02:07:25,754
s a

5001
02:07:25,754 --> 02:07:27,156
sense that comes with the

5002
02:07:27,156 --> 02:07:28,591
community benefits that we get

5003
02:07:28,591 --> 02:07:31,461
to squeeze these projects for

5004
02:07:31,461 --> 02:07:32,896
every last dime, and I think

5005
02:07:32,896 --> 02:07:34,631
that mentality becomes

5006
02:07:34,631 --> 02:07:36,766
troubling because we do invest

5007
02:07:36,766 --> 02:07:38,667
our resources as a city and

5008
02:07:38,667 --> 02:07:39,669
making sure that professional

5009
02:07:39,669 --> 02:07:40,703
economic evaluation can happen

5010
02:07:40,703 --> 02:07:42,538
and that we are getting the

5011
02:07:42,538 --> 02:07:43,973
best ultimate deal possible.

5012
02:07:43,973 --> 02:07:45,574
And so we do have to have a

5013
02:07:45,574 --> 02:07:47,100
certain level of trust with our

5014
02:07:47,100 --> 02:07:47,644
processes, and I really

5015
02:07:47,644 --> 02:07:49,279
appreciate what Vice Mayor

5016
02:07:49,279 --> 02:07:50,747
Heilman brought up as an

5017
02:07:50,747 --> 02:07:52,949
opportunity in the future for

5018
02:07:52,949 --> 02:07:54,150
us to evaluate the community

5019
02:07:54,150 --> 02:07:54,717
benefits table that we have,

5020
02:07:54,717 --> 02:07:55,118
but I think that

5021
02:07:55,118 --> 02:07:57,118
s a balance

5022
02:07:57,120 --> 02:07:58,588
that we have to have. We can

5023
02:07:58,588 --> 02:07:59,956
t,

5024
02:07:59,956 --> 02:08:01,924
um, uh, enable the public to

5025
02:08:01,924 --> 02:08:04,795
unleash their best visions onto

5026
02:08:04,795 --> 02:08:06,296
each project, hoping and sort

5027
02:08:06,296 --> 02:08:07,864
of um asking for everything in

5028
02:08:07,864 --> 02:08:09,332
the moon possible from our

5029
02:08:09,332 --> 02:08:10,567
development, uh, to the point

5030
02:08:10,567 --> 02:08:12,602
that we become so under

5031
02:08:12,602 --> 02:08:13,503
pressure that we are unable to

5032
02:08:13,503 --> 02:08:14,604
deliver anything, not just the

5033
02:08:14,604 --> 02:08:15,772
benefits, but the project

5034
02:08:15,772 --> 02:08:15,939
itself, right? And so that

5035
02:08:15,939 --> 02:08:17,840
s

5036
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:18,700
sort of the balance I believe

5037
02:08:18,700 --> 02:08:18,541
we

5038
02:08:18,541 --> 02:08:20,743
ve looked to professionals

5039
02:08:20,743 --> 02:08:22,279
to help us best strike. So the

5040
02:08:22,279 --> 02:08:24,248
process, as I understand it,

5041
02:08:24,248 --> 02:08:26,383
allows for the public to have

5042
02:08:26,383 --> 02:08:27,150
an early voice, uh, engaged

5043
02:08:27,150 --> 02:08:27,350
with the developer and maybe

5044
02:08:27,350 --> 02:08:28,118
that

5045
02:08:28,118 --> 02:08:29,553
s not happening as well as

5046
02:08:29,553 --> 02:08:30,420
it could. I think there

5047
02:08:30,420 --> 02:08:31,888
s some

5048
02:08:31,888 --> 02:08:32,880
room for conversation there and

5049
02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:32,856
as we

5050
02:08:32,856 --> 02:08:33,490
re having these

5051
02:08:33,490 --> 02:08:35,358
conversations, the public

5052
02:08:35,358 --> 02:08:36,159
becomes more aware of what

5053
02:08:36,159 --> 02:08:37,861
their opportunities are

5054
02:08:37,861 --> 02:08:39,730
certainly, um, but I wanna make

5055
02:08:39,730 --> 02:08:40,531
sure that the development

5056
02:08:40,531 --> 02:08:40,764
community is engaging best in

5057
02:08:40,764 --> 02:08:41,599
what we

5058
02:08:41,599 --> 02:08:43,500
re hoping. To see

5059
02:08:43,500 --> 02:08:44,501
happen, which are early

5060
02:08:44,501 --> 02:08:45,635
conversations, right, about,

5061
02:08:45,635 --> 02:08:46,903
hey, what does this

5062
02:08:46,903 --> 02:08:48,872
neighborhood need more of? Hey,

5063
02:08:48,872 --> 02:08:49,773
how can we think about some of

5064
02:08:49,773 --> 02:08:51,773
these opportunities differently.

5065
02:08:52,208 --> 02:08:53,176
I believe that when those

5066
02:08:53,176 --> 02:08:54,811
conversations happen early and

5067
02:08:54,811 --> 02:08:56,790
well, it enables a project to

5068
02:08:56,790 --> 02:08:56,680
move forward in the best way

5069
02:08:56,680 --> 02:08:57,514
possible, and we

5070
02:08:57,514 --> 02:08:58,820
ve seen when

5071
02:08:58,820 --> 02:08:58,616
they don

5072
02:08:58,616 --> 02:08:59,683
t happen well that

5073
02:08:59,683 --> 02:09:01,985
they can also tank a project,

5074
02:09:01,985 --> 02:09:02,419
but I do want to just make sure

5075
02:09:02,419 --> 02:09:03,353
that we

5076
02:09:03,353 --> 02:09:05,353
re understanding any

5077
02:09:05,455 --> 02:09:06,924
benefit that comes out of a

5078
02:09:06,924 --> 02:09:07,791
project for the community cost

5079
02:09:07,791 --> 02:09:07,991
that development money, and

5080
02:09:07,991 --> 02:09:08,792
that

5081
02:09:08,792 --> 02:09:08,958
s sort of what we

5082
02:09:08,958 --> 02:09:09,927
re

5083
02:09:09,927 --> 02:09:10,694
ultimately trying to find the

5084
02:09:10,694 --> 02:09:13,163
balance with is how to get the

5085
02:09:13,163 --> 02:09:14,932
best. Value for our city, uh,

5086
02:09:14,932 --> 02:09:16,367
and to ensure that the project

5087
02:09:16,367 --> 02:09:17,670
can move forward that gives the

5088
02:09:17,670 --> 02:09:17,902
public its best opportunity. So

5089
02:09:17,902 --> 02:09:18,680
I just want to name that. I

5090
02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:19,770
don

5091
02:09:19,770 --> 02:09:20,304
t want that to get lost and

5092
02:09:20,304 --> 02:09:20,804
how we

5093
02:09:20,804 --> 02:09:23,204
re thinking about this,

5094
02:09:23,640 --> 02:09:24,174
and I think that is exactly why

5095
02:09:24,174 --> 02:09:24,742
and where I

5096
02:09:24,742 --> 02:09:26,343
m troubled or or

5097
02:09:26,343 --> 02:09:27,544
trying to figure out the best

5098
02:09:27,544 --> 02:09:29,246
role for not only the planning

5099
02:09:29,246 --> 02:09:30,447
commission, but city council

5100
02:09:30,447 --> 02:09:31,682
itself, because I believe that

5101
02:09:31,682 --> 02:09:34,385
we have a full opportunity to

5102
02:09:34,385 --> 02:09:35,920
say no to a project should we

5103
02:09:35,920 --> 02:09:37,288
not believe that by the many

5104
02:09:37,288 --> 02:09:39,457
months and years and moons it

5105
02:09:39,457 --> 02:09:40,491
takes for a project ultimately

5106
02:09:40,491 --> 02:09:42,250
reach us from the time it

5107
02:09:42,250 --> 02:09:44,270
started, which we know could be

5108
02:09:44,270 --> 02:09:45,462
years, many years, um, that it

5109
02:09:45,462 --> 02:09:47,364
is maybe fair for us to say,

5110
02:09:47,364 --> 02:09:49,000
you know, things have changed.

5111
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:49,200
The conversation way back when

5112
02:09:49,200 --> 02:09:49,968
didn

5113
02:09:49,968 --> 02:09:50,126
t have, you know, wasn

5114
02:09:50,126 --> 02:09:50,535
t

5115
02:09:50,535 --> 02:09:51,369
the best. It didn

5116
02:09:51,369 --> 02:09:52,236
t get the

5117
02:09:52,236 --> 02:09:52,870
best public benefits possible,

5118
02:09:52,870 --> 02:09:54,171
but we wouldn

5119
02:09:54,171 --> 02:09:56,730
t dig into that

5120
02:09:56,730 --> 02:09:57,141
on the council dais and try to

5121
02:09:57,141 --> 02:09:59,109
find what other value we could

5122
02:09:59,109 --> 02:10:00,478
have, we would encourage that

5123
02:10:00,478 --> 02:10:02,790
project to probably be tabled

5124
02:10:02,790 --> 02:10:03,800
to go back to staff and to have

5125
02:10:03,800 --> 02:10:03,314
conversations that way. We

5126
02:10:03,314 --> 02:10:04,848
wouldn

5127
02:10:04,848 --> 02:10:06,818
t need to get into any

5128
02:10:06,818 --> 02:10:07,585
sort of arduous in the weeds

5129
02:10:07,585 --> 02:10:07,886
lengthy conversations, we

5130
02:10:07,886 --> 02:10:08,110
d, no,

5131
02:10:08,110 --> 02:10:09,387
we

5132
02:10:09,387 --> 02:10:10,488
re ready to, you know, send

5133
02:10:10,488 --> 02:10:11,756
this back to staff, table the

5134
02:10:11,756 --> 02:10:13,524
project, and give. Something

5135
02:10:13,524 --> 02:10:14,920
about her. I think that is

5136
02:10:14,920 --> 02:10:14,992
exactly why I

5137
02:10:14,992 --> 02:10:16,894
m so concerned

5138
02:10:16,894 --> 02:10:18,462
about how much time things take,

5139
02:10:18,462 --> 02:10:19,897
because from the point that we

5140
02:10:19,897 --> 02:10:21,298
start this conversation with

5141
02:10:21,298 --> 02:10:23,167
the community to the time it

5142
02:10:23,167 --> 02:10:23,400
actually shows up at the

5143
02:10:23,400 --> 02:10:24,703
council

5144
02:10:24,703 --> 02:10:25,360
s table for ultimate

5145
02:10:25,360 --> 02:10:25,704
decision. It

5146
02:10:25,704 --> 02:10:26,171
s, it

5147
02:10:26,171 --> 02:10:27,639
s too much

5148
02:10:27,639 --> 02:10:28,640
time and it MAY be too much

5149
02:10:28,640 --> 02:10:30,740
time to really understand if we

5150
02:10:30,740 --> 02:10:31,442
did get the best value in the

5151
02:10:31,442 --> 02:10:31,876
long run. So I think it

5152
02:10:31,876 --> 02:10:32,143
s in

5153
02:10:32,143 --> 02:10:32,877
everyone

5154
02:10:32,877 --> 02:10:35,277
s best interest that

5155
02:10:35,279 --> 02:10:36,781
we find ways to accelerate

5156
02:10:36,781 --> 02:10:38,816
these processes to deliver what

5157
02:10:38,816 --> 02:10:40,318
is as close to that earliest

5158
02:10:40,318 --> 02:10:42,540
vision the community had onto

5159
02:10:42,540 --> 02:10:43,488
our council days as quickly.

5160
02:10:43,488 --> 02:10:44,589
Possible so that the value

5161
02:10:44,589 --> 02:10:45,560
really feels like it

5162
02:10:45,560 --> 02:10:46,958
s there

5163
02:10:46,958 --> 02:10:47,859
and not lapsed by years and

5164
02:10:47,859 --> 02:10:49,327
pandemics and all the many

5165
02:10:49,327 --> 02:10:49,527
things that could happen. So,

5166
02:10:49,527 --> 02:10:50,862
that

5167
02:10:50,862 --> 02:10:51,362
s sort of what I

5168
02:10:51,362 --> 02:10:52,697
m hoping

5169
02:10:52,697 --> 02:10:55,990
we get to as a place where

5170
02:10:55,990 --> 02:10:56,567
things are happening faster and

5171
02:10:56,567 --> 02:10:58,360
clearer with greater trust

5172
02:10:58,360 --> 02:10:59,972
happening, and we have all, you

5173
02:10:59,972 --> 02:11:01,406
know, withered down trust with

5174
02:11:01,406 --> 02:11:02,541
each other as part of these

5175
02:11:02,541 --> 02:11:03,375
processes, but I think what

5176
02:11:03,375 --> 02:11:05,277
s

5177
02:11:05,277 --> 02:11:07,279
happening here is a sense of

5178
02:11:07,279 --> 02:11:08,280
new confidence happening is

5179
02:11:08,280 --> 02:11:09,714
shared understanding and a

5180
02:11:09,714 --> 02:11:10,315
greater set of tools that MAY

5181
02:11:10,315 --> 02:11:11,182
be possible moving forward

5182
02:11:11,182 --> 02:11:11,683
again. No direction tonight but

5183
02:11:11,683 --> 02:11:12,550
It sounds like there

5184
02:11:12,550 --> 02:11:13,618
s been

5185
02:11:13,618 --> 02:11:15,186
some really great ideas about

5186
02:11:15,186 --> 02:11:16,120
what MAY need to happen moving

5187
02:11:16,120 --> 02:11:18,891
forward. Vice Mayor is moving

5188
02:11:18,891 --> 02:11:19,458
his mask, which means he is

5189
02:11:19,458 --> 02:11:20,259
ready to talk. Ok, we

5190
02:11:20,259 --> 02:11:21,226
re gonna

5191
02:11:21,226 --> 02:11:24,826
give him the microphone for a

5192
02:11:27,320 --> 02:11:30,320
second. Go ahead. Thank you,

5193
02:11:30,301 --> 02:11:32,337
thank you, Mayor, and um I, I

5194
02:11:32,337 --> 02:11:35,274
just wanted to add a couple of

5195
02:11:35,274 --> 02:11:37,176
comments. I, I thought you, you

5196
02:11:37,176 --> 02:11:39,110
really summarize things very

5197
02:11:39,110 --> 02:11:42,611
well. I just wanted to point

5198
02:11:42,981 --> 02:11:45,851
out that the community benefits

5199
02:11:45,851 --> 02:11:47,285
are distinct from neighborhood

5200
02:11:47,285 --> 02:11:49,221
mitigation and neighborhood

5201
02:11:49,221 --> 02:11:51,621
benefits the community benefits

5202
02:11:51,691 --> 02:11:53,590
are supposed to be broad-based

5203
02:11:53,590 --> 02:11:55,459
community benefits. When you

5204
02:11:55,461 --> 02:11:58,397
look at most of the things that

5205
02:11:58,397 --> 02:11:58,597
we as a council agreed on,

5206
02:11:58,597 --> 02:11:59,832
they

5207
02:11:59,832 --> 02:12:01,867
re not really the kind of

5208
02:12:01,867 --> 02:12:04,169
things that we would normally

5209
02:12:04,169 --> 02:12:05,737
think of, oh, is this something

5210
02:12:05,737 --> 02:12:05,904
the neighborhood would want,

5211
02:12:05,904 --> 02:12:07,904
it

5212
02:12:08,390 --> 02:12:08,640
s more, is this something

5213
02:12:08,640 --> 02:12:10,776
the broader community would

5214
02:12:10,776 --> 02:12:14,976
want, so I wanted to point that

5215
02:12:15,714 --> 02:12:17,850
out, um. And just to respond to

5216
02:12:17,850 --> 02:12:18,784
my colleague. I wasn

5217
02:12:18,784 --> 02:12:19,485
t saying

5218
02:12:19,485 --> 02:12:20,486
that we shouldn

5219
02:12:20,486 --> 02:12:22,154
t review the

5220
02:12:22,154 --> 02:12:24,223
development agreement. What I

5221
02:12:24,223 --> 02:12:24,389
was trying to communicate is, I

5222
02:12:24,389 --> 02:12:26,389
don

5223
02:12:27,527 --> 02:12:29,428
t think we should be trying

5224
02:12:29,428 --> 02:12:31,364
to negotiate the development

5225
02:12:31,364 --> 02:12:31,538
agreement on the dais. I, I

5226
02:12:31,538 --> 02:12:33,538
don

5227
02:12:33,766 --> 02:12:35,334
t think we have adequate

5228
02:12:35,334 --> 02:12:35,501
information to do that. We

5229
02:12:35,501 --> 02:12:37,501
don

5230
02:12:38,437 --> 02:12:40,305
t know the costs associated

5231
02:12:40,305 --> 02:12:41,673
with um anything we would want

5232
02:12:41,673 --> 02:12:42,574
to extract. We don

5233
02:12:42,574 --> 02:12:44,430
t know the

5234
02:12:44,430 --> 02:12:45,678
costs associated with the

5235
02:12:45,678 --> 02:12:45,945
particular project. We don

5236
02:12:45,945 --> 02:12:46,546
t

5237
02:12:46,546 --> 02:12:48,946
necessarily know the costs

5238
02:12:49,916 --> 02:12:51,751
associated it with the enhanced

5239
02:12:51,751 --> 02:12:52,785
density or height that they

5240
02:12:52,785 --> 02:12:54,186
have, so I, I don

5241
02:12:54,186 --> 02:12:54,387
t think

5242
02:12:54,387 --> 02:12:55,254
that

5243
02:12:55,254 --> 02:12:56,880
s a wise approach. That

5244
02:12:56,880 --> 02:12:58,880
s

5245
02:12:58,524 --> 02:13:00,392
why I was saying we need to be

5246
02:13:00,392 --> 02:13:02,792
setting broad parameters rather

5247
02:13:03,396 --> 02:13:04,264
than trying to negotiate each

5248
02:13:04,264 --> 02:13:06,264
specific development agreement

5249
02:13:06,766 --> 02:13:08,701
as it comes to us and going

5250
02:13:08,701 --> 02:13:11,604
back to something that I think

5251
02:13:11,604 --> 02:13:13,940
the mayor said with respect to

5252
02:13:13,940 --> 02:13:16,108
the commission is if you feel

5253
02:13:16,108 --> 02:13:18,277
that the public benefits are

5254
02:13:18,277 --> 02:13:19,479
not adequate for this

5255
02:13:19,479 --> 02:13:20,814
particular project, then vote

5256
02:13:20,814 --> 02:13:21,348
no. I mean, that

5257
02:13:21,348 --> 02:13:23,748
s the thing to

5258
02:13:23,783 --> 02:13:25,218
do and I think that

5259
02:13:25,218 --> 02:13:26,219
s um uh

5260
02:13:26,219 --> 02:13:29,219
what I would direct the

5261
02:13:29,455 --> 02:13:31,858
commission to do as well. Um,

5262
02:13:31,858 --> 02:13:33,593
and then just, you know, what

5263
02:13:33,593 --> 02:13:35,294
Jennifer said about the scope

5264
02:13:35,294 --> 02:13:36,950
versus the value. I don

5265
02:13:36,950 --> 02:13:37,664
t think

5266
02:13:37,664 --> 02:13:38,650
that makes sense cause I don

5267
02:13:38,650 --> 02:13:40,650
t

5268
02:13:41,101 --> 02:13:43,370
think you can ask the body to

5269
02:13:43,370 --> 02:13:44,971
review the scope, but not the

5270
02:13:44,971 --> 02:13:47,306
value because the scope is

5271
02:13:47,306 --> 02:13:50,306
directly related to the value,

5272
02:13:51,277 --> 02:13:52,111
uh, so I, I would prefer as uh

5273
02:13:52,111 --> 02:13:52,679
Councilmember Meister said, if,

5274
02:13:52,679 --> 02:13:54,615
if there

5275
02:13:54,615 --> 02:13:55,115
s a way to legally do

5276
02:13:55,115 --> 02:13:56,516
that, don

5277
02:13:56,516 --> 02:13:57,918
t have the commission

5278
02:13:57,918 --> 02:13:59,386
make a recommendation on the

5279
02:13:59,386 --> 02:14:01,354
development agreement. Have

5280
02:14:01,354 --> 02:14:03,256
them recommend the project with

5281
02:14:03,256 --> 02:14:04,157
the development agreement that

5282
02:14:04,157 --> 02:14:06,626
has been negotiated or not

5283
02:14:06,626 --> 02:14:08,595
recommend the project. Um,

5284
02:14:08,595 --> 02:14:09,596
however they feel about it, and

5285
02:14:09,596 --> 02:14:12,432
then my final point, and we

5286
02:14:12,432 --> 02:14:14,101
need to have a different

5287
02:14:14,101 --> 02:14:15,335
discussion, not directed at

5288
02:14:15,335 --> 02:14:17,335
development agreements, the

5289
02:14:18,806 --> 02:14:19,339
time issue, because time in the

5290
02:14:19,339 --> 02:14:20,173
development world they

5291
02:14:20,173 --> 02:14:22,173
ll sell

5292
02:14:23,310 --> 02:14:26,446
you time is money, um, and so

5293
02:14:26,446 --> 02:14:28,916
every delay in a project

5294
02:14:28,916 --> 02:14:31,180
results in less benefit for the

5295
02:14:31,180 --> 02:14:33,418
community, higher rents, uh,

5296
02:14:33,454 --> 02:14:34,254
higher charges that need to be

5297
02:14:34,254 --> 02:14:36,690
passed on because the developer

5298
02:14:36,690 --> 02:14:39,593
is trying to make a profit. So

5299
02:14:39,593 --> 02:14:41,561
anything that we can do to

5300
02:14:41,561 --> 02:14:42,596
protect the community, but

5301
02:14:42,596 --> 02:14:45,596
expedite the process, I think

5302
02:14:47,635 --> 02:14:49,437
is going to be valuable. Oh,

5303
02:14:49,437 --> 02:14:50,805
perfect. Do any of the council

5304
02:14:50,805 --> 02:14:53,205
members have any further

5305
02:14:53,741 --> 02:14:54,675
comments? To any of the

5306
02:14:54,675 --> 02:14:55,876
planning commissioners have

5307
02:14:55,876 --> 02:14:57,177
questions, comments, need for

5308
02:14:57,177 --> 02:14:59,177
clarity. Yes, Commissioner

5309
02:15:04,352 --> 02:15:05,787
Hooper Gardner. Hello. Um, I

5310
02:15:05,787 --> 02:15:07,188
think this is all great and

5311
02:15:07,188 --> 02:15:09,657
thank you, thank you, thank you

5312
02:15:09,657 --> 02:15:12,293
for this and so my question is,

5313
02:15:12,293 --> 02:15:14,610
what does state law say because

5314
02:15:14,610 --> 02:15:15,996
state law you said in the

5315
02:15:15,996 --> 02:15:17,898
presentation, define the

5316
02:15:17,898 --> 02:15:19,898
development agreement process.

5317
02:15:20,801 --> 02:15:22,770
Does state law require that the

5318
02:15:22,770 --> 02:15:24,305
planning commission approved

5319
02:15:24,305 --> 02:15:25,139
the development agreement, or

5320
02:15:25,139 --> 02:15:25,340
is there flexibility because I,

5321
02:15:25,340 --> 02:15:27,410
that

5322
02:15:27,410 --> 02:15:28,576
s the only thing I would

5323
02:15:28,576 --> 02:15:29,430
want us to not run amok. It

5324
02:15:29,430 --> 02:15:31,430
s a

5325
02:15:31,946 --> 02:15:32,947
good question and I was just

5326
02:15:32,947 --> 02:15:35,716
gonna make a suggestion, um,

5327
02:15:35,716 --> 02:15:37,785
state sets out the process and

5328
02:15:37,785 --> 02:15:39,654
the planning commission does

5329
02:15:39,654 --> 02:15:41,256
review development agreements.

5330
02:15:41,256 --> 02:15:42,990
What is not what what goes

5331
02:15:42,990 --> 02:15:44,525
beyond the state law are our

5332
02:15:44,525 --> 02:15:45,426
local findings in the West

5333
02:15:45,426 --> 02:15:47,826
Hollywood municipal code. And

5334
02:15:47,862 --> 02:15:49,430
so if these are a source of

5335
02:15:49,430 --> 02:15:50,765
confusion, maybe we should

5336
02:15:50,765 --> 02:15:52,666
narrow them to be more in line

5337
02:15:52,666 --> 02:15:53,868
with what the council wants to

5338
02:15:53,868 --> 02:15:55,302
see on development agreements

5339
02:15:55,302 --> 02:15:57,305
and the role because it sounds

5340
02:15:57,305 --> 02:15:58,306
to me like this is creating

5341
02:15:58,306 --> 02:15:58,507
some confusion, and they don

5342
02:15:58,507 --> 02:16:00,242
t

5343
02:16:00,242 --> 02:16:01,576
need to be this broad and this

5344
02:16:01,576 --> 02:16:02,110
subjective. They can be, you

5345
02:16:02,110 --> 02:16:02,844
know, doesn

5346
02:16:02,844 --> 02:16:04,279
t include all the

5347
02:16:04,279 --> 02:16:06,679
mandatory requirements? Did You

5348
02:16:07,182 --> 02:16:09,617
follow the process, really much

5349
02:16:09,617 --> 02:16:10,585
more objectively looking at the

5350
02:16:10,585 --> 02:16:11,285
development agreement process

5351
02:16:11,285 --> 02:16:11,652
and and what we

5352
02:16:11,652 --> 02:16:13,652
ve talked about

5353
02:16:14,990 --> 02:16:15,891
here, but maybe a little less

5354
02:16:15,891 --> 02:16:16,458
of all the subjective

5355
02:16:16,458 --> 02:16:16,991
discussion. You

5356
02:16:16,991 --> 02:16:17,859
re still always

5357
02:16:17,859 --> 02:16:18,993
looking at the project as a

5358
02:16:18,993 --> 02:16:20,829
whole. I, I want to be clear

5359
02:16:20,829 --> 02:16:22,263
about that. You are looking at

5360
02:16:22,263 --> 02:16:23,732
projects that come before you,

5361
02:16:23,732 --> 02:16:25,667
but on this specific piece, not

5362
02:16:25,667 --> 02:16:26,701
that I want to add another uh

5363
02:16:26,701 --> 02:16:28,336
zone tax amendment to the work

5364
02:16:28,336 --> 02:16:29,237
plan. Sorry, Nick. But that

5365
02:16:29,237 --> 02:16:29,704
might be something we want to

5366
02:16:29,704 --> 02:16:30,238
look at. You don

5367
02:16:30,238 --> 02:16:31,206
t have to give

5368
02:16:31,206 --> 02:16:33,750
direction on that tonight. Let

5369
02:16:33,750 --> 02:16:34,676
us think about it, but that

5370
02:16:34,676 --> 02:16:38,280
might be a way to respond to

5371
02:16:38,280 --> 02:16:40,482
some of this feedback. Ok. Are

5372
02:16:40,482 --> 02:16:42,882
there any other commissioner

5373
02:16:43,151 --> 02:16:43,818
comments, questions, terrific

5374
02:16:43,818 --> 02:16:45,487
counsel comments, Councilmemb

5375
02:16:45,487 --> 02:16:49,870
Hang had his hand up first.

5376
02:16:51,260 --> 02:16:53,462
Thank you. Thank you, Mayor.

5377
02:16:53,462 --> 02:16:54,263
You know, um, there

5378
02:16:54,263 --> 02:16:55,630
s something

5379
02:16:55,630 --> 02:16:57,165
to be thought about what

5380
02:16:57,165 --> 02:16:58,567
council member Erickson said

5381
02:16:58,567 --> 02:16:58,727
earlier, um, and I just, I

5382
02:16:58,727 --> 02:16:59,134
ve

5383
02:16:59,134 --> 02:17:01,134
been, it

5384
02:17:01,403 --> 02:17:03,838
s been festering in my

5385
02:17:03,838 --> 02:17:05,206
mind. If we take the politics

5386
02:17:05,206 --> 02:17:07,606
out of political appointments

5387
02:17:08,277 --> 02:17:10,379
and this is such a. A this

5388
02:17:10,379 --> 02:17:12,470
commission does a lot of work.

5389
02:17:12,470 --> 02:17:15,284
And if we make the seats at

5390
02:17:15,284 --> 02:17:15,517
large, we take the politics out

5391
02:17:15,517 --> 02:17:16,685
of that

5392
02:17:16,685 --> 02:17:18,186
s not a part of the

5393
02:17:18,186 --> 02:17:18,353
agenda discussion tonight, so

5394
02:17:18,353 --> 02:17:19,488
let

5395
02:17:19,488 --> 02:17:21,823
s not talk about that if we

5396
02:17:21,823 --> 02:17:22,891
got it. Thank you. Thank you,

5397
02:17:22,891 --> 02:17:25,291
Councilmember Erickson, did you

5398
02:17:25,561 --> 02:17:26,929
have any final comments? Yes, I

5399
02:17:26,929 --> 02:17:27,897
want to follow up on something

5400
02:17:27,897 --> 02:17:29,498
that counts remember Meister

5401
02:17:29,498 --> 02:17:31,800
said that I thought is a good

5402
02:17:31,800 --> 02:17:33,200
point too, and it sounds like

5403
02:17:33,200 --> 02:17:35,237
that might be universal

5404
02:17:35,237 --> 02:17:37,105
direction from the council, but

5405
02:17:37,105 --> 02:17:40,108
it sounds like we are giving

5406
02:17:40,108 --> 02:17:41,210
and Christie would do that, uh,

5407
02:17:41,210 --> 02:17:42,445
um, I think the direction and

5408
02:17:42,445 --> 02:17:42,979
mayor maybe you could do a

5409
02:17:42,979 --> 02:17:44,347
straw poll. I don

5410
02:17:44,347 --> 02:17:44,547
t know if

5411
02:17:44,547 --> 02:17:46,215
that

5412
02:17:46,215 --> 02:17:48,615
s formal, but if

5413
02:17:49,510 --> 02:17:50,953
commissioners do Or if there is

5414
02:17:50,953 --> 02:17:51,987
something that is going off the

5415
02:17:51,987 --> 02:17:53,956
out of the tracks, out of the

5416
02:17:53,956 --> 02:17:55,824
train, what did you use to

5417
02:17:55,824 --> 02:17:58,695
train metaphor out of your lane,

5418
02:17:58,695 --> 02:18:00,196
right? You know, um, it would

5419
02:18:00,196 --> 02:18:00,863
be helpful fully knowing and it

5420
02:18:00,863 --> 02:18:02,632
sounds like the commissioners

5421
02:18:02,632 --> 02:18:04,500
are aware of that for, for the

5422
02:18:04,500 --> 02:18:05,735
city attorney to step in and

5423
02:18:05,735 --> 02:18:05,968
say, we understand you

5424
02:18:05,968 --> 02:18:07,968
re going

5425
02:18:08,370 --> 02:18:10,506
down this, this chart, this

5426
02:18:10,506 --> 02:18:12,408
path, got us. You know, thank

5427
02:18:12,408 --> 02:18:12,741
you. Um, however, Let

5428
02:18:12,741 --> 02:18:14,710
s bring

5429
02:18:14,710 --> 02:18:17,113
it back to this discussion at

5430
02:18:17,113 --> 02:18:18,248
hand. I think that nice nudge

5431
02:18:18,248 --> 02:18:19,682
you tell us all the time on

5432
02:18:19,682 --> 02:18:21,551
Mondays, Lauren, in the nicest

5433
02:18:21,551 --> 02:18:23,486
way to say, hey, you know, not

5434
02:18:23,486 --> 02:18:23,647
tonight, um, but I think that

5435
02:18:23,647 --> 02:18:24,854
s

5436
02:18:24,854 --> 02:18:26,822
a clear direction and I think

5437
02:18:26,822 --> 02:18:27,857
that will be helpful for the

5438
02:18:27,857 --> 02:18:30,426
commission to help gear their

5439
02:18:30,426 --> 02:18:31,527
conversations. Yeah, thank you

5440
02:18:31,527 --> 02:18:32,610
for that because it

5441
02:18:32,610 --> 02:18:34,610
s not fair

5442
02:18:36,432 --> 02:18:37,433
to to put that. On to the

5443
02:18:37,433 --> 02:18:39,833
commissioner to make that

5444
02:18:39,836 --> 02:18:41,337
decision, which MAY or MAY not

5445
02:18:41,337 --> 02:18:43,239
be right, whether or not

5446
02:18:43,239 --> 02:18:46,175
somebody is in or out of their

5447
02:18:46,175 --> 02:18:48,544
lane. That is what the city

5448
02:18:48,544 --> 02:18:49,278
attorney is there for, so I

5449
02:18:49,278 --> 02:18:49,645
agree and that

5450
02:18:49,645 --> 02:18:51,810
s perfectly fair.

5451
02:18:51,810 --> 02:18:51,648
I think there

5452
02:18:51,648 --> 02:18:53,160
s been some

5453
02:18:53,160 --> 02:18:54,884
disconnect on what the lane is.

5454
02:18:54,884 --> 02:18:56,319
And so I think this

5455
02:18:56,319 --> 02:18:58,288
conversation has helped define

5456
02:18:58,288 --> 02:18:59,722
the lane because I think when,

5457
02:18:59,722 --> 02:19:00,757
when staff and the assistant

5458
02:19:00,757 --> 02:19:01,291
city attorney have tried.

5459
02:19:01,291 --> 02:19:01,591
Sometimes there

5460
02:19:01,591 --> 02:19:02,425
s pushback.

5461
02:19:02,425 --> 02:19:03,226
Well, yes, this isn

5462
02:19:03,226 --> 02:19:05,280
t our lane

5463
02:19:05,280 --> 02:19:06,429
because so, so I think this

5464
02:19:06,429 --> 02:19:07,764
conversation is really helpful

5465
02:19:07,764 --> 02:19:09,990
to guide that discussion at the

5466
02:19:09,990 --> 02:19:10,667
planning commission meeting.

5467
02:19:10,667 --> 02:19:12,690
And I hope the chair always

5468
02:19:12,690 --> 02:19:12,936
feels empowered to rein in

5469
02:19:12,936 --> 02:19:13,103
conversations as needed, as

5470
02:19:13,103 --> 02:19:13,904
you

5471
02:19:13,904 --> 02:19:16,339
ve seen me have to do a

5472
02:19:16,339 --> 02:19:17,340
couple of times tonight, um, ok,

5473
02:19:17,340 --> 02:19:18,274
I think we

5474
02:19:18,274 --> 02:19:19,709
re reaching a point

5475
02:19:19,709 --> 02:19:22,212
of closure. People are packing

5476
02:19:22,212 --> 02:19:22,745
their bags, so that

5477
02:19:22,745 --> 02:19:24,581
s good,

5478
02:19:24,581 --> 02:19:25,615
terrific. Um, I just want to

5479
02:19:25,615 --> 02:19:27,170
thank the staff. I know there

5480
02:19:27,170 --> 02:19:28,452
was a tremendous amount of leg

5481
02:19:28,452 --> 02:19:30,870
work that went into preparing

5482
02:19:30,870 --> 02:19:32,890
for this, um, making sure that

5483
02:19:32,890 --> 02:19:32,989
this was going to be a valuable

5484
02:19:32,989 --> 02:19:33,924
conversation in the long run,

5485
02:19:33,924 --> 02:19:34,910
which is always strange when we

5486
02:19:34,910 --> 02:19:34,825
don

5487
02:19:34,825 --> 02:19:36,760
t have direction. I want to

5488
02:19:36,760 --> 02:19:37,861
thank the members of the

5489
02:19:37,861 --> 02:19:38,280
planning commission, Ruggerio,

5490
02:19:38,280 --> 02:19:38,628
who

5491
02:19:38,628 --> 02:19:40,997
s listening from afara

5492
02:19:40,997 --> 02:19:42,732
commissioner cover. Uh, in our

5493
02:19:42,732 --> 02:19:43,433
chair Lombardi, who typically

5494
02:19:43,433 --> 02:19:44,568
steers your meetings. Thank you

5495
02:19:44,568 --> 02:19:45,936
for letting me have the honor

5496
02:19:45,936 --> 02:19:47,505
tonight and the members of the

5497
02:19:47,505 --> 02:19:47,805
public for being here. You

5498
02:19:47,805 --> 02:19:49,272
re a

5499
02:19:49,272 --> 02:19:50,309
work to hold us accountable is

5500
02:19:50,309 --> 02:19:51,375
extremely important, so thanks

5501
02:19:51,375 --> 02:19:52,810
for listening into this

5502
02:19:52,810 --> 02:19:54,645
conversation tonight. I think

5503
02:19:54,645 --> 02:19:56,747
we are officially ready to

5504
02:19:56,747 --> 02:19:57,714
adjourn our meeting to the next

5505
02:19:57,714 --> 02:19:58,480
regular meeting of the city

5506
02:19:58,480 --> 02:19:59,149
council. It

5507
02:19:59,149 --> 02:20:00,851
d be nice to be

5508
02:20:00,851 --> 02:20:03,788
regular again in that way

5509
02:20:03,788 --> 02:20:05,289
Monday, MARCH 3rd, 2025 at 6

5510
02:20:05,289 --> 02:20:07,491
P.M. Here at City Council

5511
02:20:07,491 --> 02:20:10,491
Chambers in West Hollywood Park.