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Well, good evening everyone. I'd like to welcome everyone to

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the Regular Council meeting of the City West Coluna. Today's

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date is Tuesday, August 25th, 2026, and called a meeting

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to order at 601 p. m. Meetings being held here

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in council chamber, 3731 old Okong Highway. In the beautiful

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city of West Kelowna. I like to acknowledge us that

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this meeting is being held in a traditional territory of

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the Stelkoganogan peoples. And this meeting is being open to

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the public and all representations to Council foreign part of

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the public record. This meeting is being webcasts live will

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be archived on the city's website. Mr. Penneten, are there

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any late items. No, Mr. Mayor, no late evidence. Thank

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you. Okay, so with that information, can I please have

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motion to adopt the agenda. It's been moved and seconded

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on favor. That motion is carried. Next under 4. 1,

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we have the July 28, 2006 Special and public special

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meeting minutes. Public hearing minutes. And regular council meeting minutes

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all from that date of July 28. A motion to

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adopt those moved. Second it, on favor. Pose, none of

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pose. That motion is carried. Okay, next under mayor and

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council's reports. I do have some announcements to make. And

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let me do that. First. So on behalf of Council,

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I want to extend our thanks and gratitude to all

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those in our community. Who have stepped up to support

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evacuees and the emergency response in our region due to

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the latest wildfires. And thank you to our staff and

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been working in the emergency operation centre, supporting the volunteers

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at Westbank Lions Community Centre. And our staff have been

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looking after the group lodging at Royal of Page Place.

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I'll select the thank our firefighters who have responded to

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support our neighbouring communities, whether it's Summerland along Westside Road

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or helping in Clinton. I'd also like to extend our

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thanks to the many West Coluna residents and organisations who

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have stepped up to support evacuees. Our compassion and caring

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community always brings into action whenever needed. And thanks to

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the Salvation Army Central Economic Food Bank, United Way, the

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Rotary Clubs and any other service organisation and business that

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stepped up to volunteer their time and services. I'd also

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like to offer our condolences to the family of the

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women who passed away when evacuating from the ball range

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wildfire. The speed at which that fire grew astounding and

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were grateful that no other lies were lost. As well,

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our thoughts go out to those who lost their homes

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during this wildfire. We know too well about the impact

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that has on a community. But we also know the

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support of the supported community will provide as, as you

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rebuild. We know how hot and dry it is out

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there and we've seen how quickly fires can take off.

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I encourage everyone to have their grab and go bag

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ready and to sign up for alerts at CEO emergency.

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ca. So you get the latest news about any evacuation

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orders or alerts. Next, just like to speak about music

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in the park. The last music in the park concert

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is happening this Friday with a tribute to ABBA and

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Fleetwood Mac show starts at 7 p. m. at the

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YNET Bhadrau Apte Theatre at Memorial Park. And this drew

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we've had over 6, 000 people show up throughout the

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season. And we hope to see everyone there. And before

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we move on in the agenda, I just wanted to

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recognise one individual. That's joined this year this evening. And

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that's a fellow that's been 35 years in journalism. And

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23 years with CASCANET. It's been around for quite some

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time. And I know he's here when he covered our

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corporation and the referendums around that time and the elections

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ever since that time. And geez, I didn't know you

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were coming. I would have suggested that we figure out

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the best way to roast you. But it's really good

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to see way more here. Congratulations on a real successful

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career. Um, we're pleased to still have you as our

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announcer for the Warriors. So we get to see you

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and hear you throughout the winter. Uh, but we wish

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you all the best in your retirement, Wayne. And thank

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you very much for the service you provided our community

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in the coverage that you provided of our council and

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our new municipality over the years. So. You're out.

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You're welcome. Great to see you here. Okay. Moving on.

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Council the Silver 5. 11 speak to the letter that

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was provided. Oops. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, I just

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wanted to update Council on an item that I brought

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up last council meeting regarding our library funding. So we

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did receive a, well, our association of BC Public Library

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Directors Board Chair Heather received a letter from Minister Boyle

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on August 11th that allowed us to restore our funding

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for a 2026, which is good news. Um, so it's

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in the form of a one - time supplemental funding

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for the 45, 742 dollars that had been revoked for

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this year. Um, and even though that only accounts for

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0. 19 million dollar budgets the need, you know, libraries

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are carrying responsibilities and taking on social services that extend

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far beyond our original mandate. And that takes away from

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time, um, that takes time resources. And, uh, and training.

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So, uh, it takes away from our regular library services.

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So we're really excited that, uh, we have our funding

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restored for this year and that we've been assured that

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we'll have a seat at the table to collaborate for

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future funding when it comes to the province looking yet.

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Years beyond this year's funding. So wanted to have that

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update. And there's the letters that have been attached to

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the report. And if council has any questions, I'm happy

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to answer. Great. Thank you. Any questions. Well, congratulations on

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your advocacy work. Well done. Okay, all sunder 5. 2,

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we have the regional district central Okanagan highlights from the

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August 20th. Regional board meeting. Any questions with regards to

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that. Okay. Next, Mr. Penneton, we have 6. 1. Thank

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you, Mr. Mayor. 6. 1 as a presentation from the

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Kelowna General Hospital Foundation. I believe we have Allison Young

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and Chief Executive Officer here to present. Thank you. Well,

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welcome Allison. Maybe before you start your presentation since I've

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already, I guess I'm in middle retirement mode here. But,

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uh, we're aware that you made the decision to step

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down from the, uh, the KGH Foundation. We wanted to

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say thank you. For your years of service. 10 years

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of service at the KGH Foundation. Five years as the

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Chief Executive Officer Officer. There's been so much accomplished during

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your stay there. And I know you're still going to

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be on board for a while. But, uh, you know,

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from bottom of our hearts, thank you for everything you've

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done. For this region. Thank you very much. Wow. Thank

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you, Mr. Mayor. Well, thank you. I wasn't expecting that.

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Um, Mr. Mayor and Council, thank you for having me.

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Uh, this is my regrettably my first time presenting here.

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So I'm grateful to be here. And I trust my

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successor will spend more time, whoever they may be. I've

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prepared a brief presentation for you. It's my privilege to

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be able to be here to talk a little bit

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more about who we are in the work we're doing

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in community, which of course our community very much includes

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West Kelowna. So who we are, we're going to be

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50 years old in 2028. We're older than the health

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authority. And we have been committed to this community since

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the very first community members who established us. We are

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an independent legal entity. Not a lot of people realise

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that we're not a Department of the Health Authority. We

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are independent. And while we work very closely with the

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health authority, we also work very closely with other health

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partners and community. And ultimately we are in service to

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the members of this community and the patients of this

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region. We have sizable staff and sometimes people see that

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and they think, gosh, your cost of fundraising must be

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huge. And, uh, it's not. Uh, we are very proud

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owners and operators of Joanna's house. So we have a

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very dedicated team there. Uh, and they are also supported

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by a volunteers. We run three social enterprises that help

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us generate unrestricted revenue. All three of those businesses are

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at the hospital, KGH. And then we are also this

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all shareholder and beneficiary of the JP Centre for Innovation,

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which was recently established last year. And then of course

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in addition to that, uh, is our core business, uh,

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which we were founded on and we continue to do

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a very proudly, which is engage, uh, raise funds, steward

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those funds and the projects on behalf of this community.

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So just to give a sense of that, uh, of

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course, KGH is a centre focus for us. Despite its

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name, KGH is the hospital for the central Okanagan. And

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for the region. So serving almost a million individuals and

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patients across this region. And, uh, in addition to that,

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uh, also servicing many people from the north as well.

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supporting its capacity. It's TALNT acquisition. And then specialized programs.

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it's calf labs are the only CAT labs between Calgary

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and Vancouver. A real big focus for KGH Foundation and

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our supporters is how do we keep people closer to

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home and provide more specialized services close to home and

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work with interior health to ensure that we see much

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needed investment in our hospital and in this region. In

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addition to cardiac, we specialize in stroke. We are the

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main stroke centre for the interior NICU and that NICU

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hopefully will be increased to a level five in the

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coming years. And I trust that my successor will be

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working on that with the community. Complex mental health. So

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the adolescent psychiatric unit for the region is how is

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the KGH as well as, uh, adult services. And then

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the lab, uh, is the primary lab for the region.

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uh, what's being tested. It supports most of the hospitals

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throughout the region. 513 beds, institutional research says 108 percent

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capacity. That is probably a little light considering last time

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I did a check. We had up to 100 beds

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that were in the hallway at KGH, putting us at

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just over 600 beds. So I've touched on KGH. I'm

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also just going to touch on some of the work

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that, um, definitely been very invested this last five years.

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but is this idea of caring community. Uh, we certainly

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continue to work with interior health on services that are

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provided in community. Just thinking of place - based context.

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services here in West Colona. The interior health clinics. So

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the, um, UPCC. And soon we will see a foundry

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in West Kelowna. We've partnered with Canadian Mental Health Association

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to fundraise for that. So that is very exciting. More

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services on this side of the bridge. Uh, in addition

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to that, hospital at home is a program that we

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worked with interior health to fund and support. We hope

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that that program will continue to be expanded across the

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central Okanagan. It's significantly reduces pressure on KGH and helps

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people heal close to home. That's good culturally. That's good

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just for, again, where people live and where, um, they

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are in proximity to the hospital. Another example is partnering

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on health promotion and prevention programs. So an example of

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that would be breathe well, uh, congratulations to the YMCA

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for their most recent service contract for the pool right

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here. They have a mandate too to be more out

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in community across and beyond colonna. So it's great to

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see that. And, uh, we partnered with them and interior

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health to fund a program called Breathe Well, which supports

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individuals with COPD to live with their disease more comfortably

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in community and close to home. And then one that

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we're really excited about, uh, there is one IHOT, so

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interior health outreach team ban mobile services, primary care, uh,

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and mental health services, uh, really focused on unhoused populations

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and sites that are supporting folks that are transitioning. There's

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one van on. There's, we have funded a second. Um,

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I thought the wheels had touched the ground at still

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being retrofitted, but it will be out in community. And

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a primary focus for that ban will be the West

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Kelowna area here. So I think that will be a

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really positive thing. And some current priorities and I'm happy

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of course, um, try to speak to this in a

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little more detail of Council and Mayor wishes. Uh, but

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right now at KGH, like I said, capacity is huge.

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There is not enough space. Our cities and our region

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has outgrown KGH's current ability to properly serve and an

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incredibly challenging part of that is there is a unsheld

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and unused space in the centennial tower that tower was

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put up 12 years ago. It was meant to be

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developed. And, uh, and available as the city and the

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region grew. It has yet to be operationalized. So this

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is a piece that we are very focused on and,

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uh, we're hoping to work with community members to drive

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some philanthropic, uh, investment. We hope to work with a

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regional hospital district and see if we can't put together

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a compelling appeal to the ministry, of course, under the

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leadership of Sylvia. We are the CEO of the Health

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Authority. Uh, in addition to that, um, we are also

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focusing on PDATRICs, uh, it was pretty devastating for our

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communities when pediatric department closed. We've been working really, really

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closely with that team on recruitment. And what they need

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to ready themselves for future expansion. So lots of projects,

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uh, around PIDiatric support. I mentioned the NICU. West Kelowna.

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So foundry will be stood up here. And then also

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a family hub. I do understand that, uh, that you're

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probably aware of this in partnership with KCR. We're very

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proud to be working with them to drive support to

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those services as well. And then finally, we are working

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very closely with the divisions of family practice, primary care

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is essential for people to access services. So we are

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looking at how we made together with, uh, the divisions

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support the standing up of a primary care teaching clinic

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somewhere in the region from late country to Peachland so

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that we can support family physician to our already working.

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And I tracked and retain, um, students going through our

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amazing program to support the members of our community. And

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with that, I thank you very much. I don't know

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how much, I wish you had timed me. I don't

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know if I'm right there or not, but I'm very

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happy to answer any questions you have, Mr. Mayor Council.

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Well, thank you very much for your presentation. We do

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have some questions for you Councillor Milzat. Thanks, Mr. Aaron.

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Thank you for the presentation and congratulations on retirement. Thank

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you. Or the next chapter. Thank you. The community van

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we've heard from Interior Health before. And the last time

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they were here, the utilization of it percentage wise was

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like actually pretty low. Because there isn't that large number

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of unhoused here. Now what I've heard from some communities

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is utilising that van as like if you go down

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to our, you know, blood testing clinic over here, the

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lineup is absolutely extraordinary. But my thought being, and I've

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heard this is utilising that van to do blood tests,

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like blood work for seniors and stuff like that that

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are living in the parks over here. So we have

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a lot of seniors like whether it's crystal springs or

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on West Bank First Nation lands that that van could

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be really utilised to lessen the burden on the global

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declinic down here. And I'd love to see it be

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optimized more. Because the presentation from interior health, I believe

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it was like running at like 18 percent kind of

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utilization. So just a food for thought on the second

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van. I would love to see not lines down our

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main street for people waiting for blood work. Mr. Mayor,

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if I may respond to Councillor Melsap, I think that's

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a great suggestion. I will say, um, I have seen

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a really, uh, a real positive shift with the health

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authority just in terms of coming to the table having

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conversations, looking at how we can plan and work differently

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together as a funder and someone who represents community members

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who are putting dollars forward for this. I'll definitely bring

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that back. And I think that that kind of collaboration

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to meet people where they're at where it's needed most

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is really, really important. So thank you for that. Yeah.

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I'm really happy to see us like getting the equipment

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is the first step and then utilising the equipment. Using

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it well. Exactly. Thank you very much. Thank you. So

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Alice and I understand there's a quite a strong connection

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between the KJ Foundation Board of Directors and our community.

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And I thought maybe our council would be interested in

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hearing about that connection, including the new chair. Oh yes,

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absolutely. So thank you Mr. Mayor. Our current, um, chair

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is a Robertago. Pardon me. And I know that she

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is a very proud West Kena resident. And she's also

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currently on the board of trade. Is that correct? Yes.

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And so she at every one of our board meetings,

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I have 22 board members, 22 bosses. I'm sure people

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in this room can appreciate that. Um, and, uh, very

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passionate group representing members of our community across the Central

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Okanagan. And she has been a passionate advocate for more

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in West Colona. Please. And, uh, she actually brought up

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a really important perspective for us several years ago when

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she joined, which was our communication and the way we

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positioned ourselves as an organisation was very colonia - centric.

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And, uh, of course, we, our offices may be there

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and attached the hospital, but we are serving this entire

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region. So indeed. Great. Thank you very much. We're a

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very proud of our birth time and very pleased that

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she's in that new role. And we are sure she's

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going to do an excellent job. Thank you, Mr. Malcher,

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your remarks. I know she'll be thrilled. Yeah. Thank you.

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Well, thanks again for being here. And we wish you

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all the best in your future endeavours. And thanks again

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for all great work you've done as CEO of the

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KGH Foundation. So thank you. You really appreciate that. Thank

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you, Mr. Mayor and Council. It was great to be

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here. Thank you. Okay, Mr. Peniton. Next on the agenda

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is 9. 1. Thank you Mr. Mayor. 9. 1 is

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the capital delivery model development update. And I'll turn over

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to Mr. Hillis, the senior manager of engineering capital projects

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to cover that. Thank you. Thank you very much. And

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just before, Ms. Illis, I just wanted to again, thank

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Council for directing our staff to, you know, explore, uh,

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lessons learned on recent capital projects. And we've had, I

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think the three that were looked at were the city

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hall and the operations yard and the new water tree

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plants in Roosevelt. Of course, they bought a treatment plant

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was, you know, the most, uh, I guess expensive of

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the three, but we were on, on budget. And the

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other two pretend not as much. And it was certainly

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lessons learned. But again, I want to thank council for

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giving staff direction to have the, that work done. Mr.

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Hollis. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and council. Yes, a great

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summary. Just would like to add that, um, one of

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the key findings of that initial review was to develop

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a capital delivery model. For the city. Um, this year

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the city retained KPMG to advance the capital delivery model.

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The objective of the project is not to replace, um,

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sound practices that we are doing, but to improve on

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them and make sure we are consistent repeatable and have

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stage gates. So we're not missing an item or a

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project's not advancing before it's ready. Um, so as part

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of the capital delivery model, KPMG will be developing a

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capital delivery playbook in the future. Um, tonight we're getting

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input to help us, um, complete a draft of the

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capital delivery playbook. And that will be, um, like a

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handbook for a staff that outlines the governance documentation reporting

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and oversight that can be scaled to different projects sizes.

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Um, it'll be a practical tool that'll help manage scope

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budget schedule risks and reporting. Um, so tonight we are

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going to be facilitated by KPMG, our consultant to lead

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Mayor and council through a discussion. And, um, Chris will

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be asking three questions of council. The first, um, asking

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if what the distinction between council's oversight and administration's delivery

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on the projects, um, should be. The second, um, what

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information does council need to ensure the projects are, um,

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kept on track. And the third, um, does it make

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sense to scale the oversight depending on the project size.

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So with that, I'll introduce Mr. Chris Sainsbury with KPMG.

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He's a partner of the firm and global infrastructure advisor.

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Thank you. Thank you very much. Welcome Chris. Good evening.

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Uh, thanks Rob and thank you Mayor and Council for

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having me here today. Um, so today, like Rob said,

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the intent is this is more meant to be a

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little bit of a check in with sort of, uh,

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third or two halfway through the project heard a lot

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from council beginning to deliver some, develop some ideas. And

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we really thought it'd be a good opportunity to one

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feedback where we're heading and also to provide the opportunity

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to get some input from yourselves as we move this

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forward. Um, so I plan to speak for sort of

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10 minutes. Um, I won't go into too much detail.

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And then after that, I'd like to open it up

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to the floor for a bit of interactive conversation to

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get your views. So, so like I said, we probably

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started two and a half months ago, um, and the

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intent was to build on the review that was done

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last year on the, on the three major projects. I

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think a few things came out of that. And as

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part of that, we're taking those as some of the

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design principles for what we're doing. Just to give you

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a sense of where we are in the process, um,

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so we kicked off about two and a half months

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ago. I've spoken to a whole bunch of different staffs

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and not just within kind of the engineering team delivering,

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but also all those who kind of touch projects. So,

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uh, from procurement or strategic sourcing, I've spoken with finance,

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facilities, um, communications, um, other parts of the organisations. Make

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sure we get a holistic view of everyone involved. Because

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at the end of the day, delivering projects successfully needs

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to make sure that everyone plays their part in this

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process. Um, and so we started developing some concepts, some

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design principles, which I'll walk you through. And the next

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stage will be to kind of further develop these and

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finalise these. And then we're going to test them on

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projects and make sure their right size and fit for

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purpose. Um, just a couple kind of principles to build

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on, things sort of findings from the last review. The

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first, um, as we've heard, is to develop a defined

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capital delivery model that defines roles, responsibilities and processes and

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ways of working. Um, there was also, um, indication of

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the need for more defined decision points. So whether these

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are kind of readyness checks or stage gates, but to

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make sure the right questions, the right due diligence has

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taken place before you actually move forward. Um, on a

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project, um, and lastly, about the quality of information, making

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sure scope budgets, schedule risk information was adequately captured and

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shared and informed. Um, so since then, those were finding,

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those were from the previous review, um, through my conversations

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and interviews that I'd done with staff so far. We've

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pretty much backed up. That is all necessary. Um, what

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I've also come to learn is that the general practices

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for kind of documenting and delivering projects varies from project

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to project. And from those managing projects. So I think

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the real opportunity to standardize and create kind of a

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more structured approach going forward. And so that's going to

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be part of this. Um, what do I also heard

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is kind of the roles, responsibilities, escalations, approval requirements, um,

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could do a better clarity. Could do maybe having a

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look, are they right sized? So the thing we'll be

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doing. And then also making sure that that staff had

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the right practical tools and guidance to move forward. Just

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bearing in mind the turnover, new staff. How do we

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get everybody trained up to the same level delivering projects

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consistently? Um, so really the objective is to make these

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good practices repeatable. Um, so where we're at in terms

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of kind of designing this framework for this model is

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we've kind of divided into three components. The first of

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which will be a capital delivery playbook. What this will

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be is really an overview of how the city is

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to deliver capital projects who's involved, what a typical project

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life cycle looks like, what are they kind of stage

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gates. The check - in points, what does governance look

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like? And that'll be sort of the overarching document. And

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what's a really important, I think, is to make this

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a practical document. We didn't want to come up with

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a 150 page manual that just sits on the shelf.

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This needs to be something people actually going to use

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on a day - to - day basis. So we're

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consciously making that effort. Um, that said, we also have

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guidance documents to support this. So this will, these will

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be kind of more detailed guidance documents that tell you

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how to do project estimating, how you develop budgets, how

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you do change orders in a consistent manner so that

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all project coordinators across the city can follow the same

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procedure as the same steps. Um, and then the last

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element, the last component is the tools and templates. So

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making sure there's a standardized set and consistent set of

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tools and templates across the city. So that when somebody

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picks these up, whether it's a report, whether it's a

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budget, you can actually compare apples with apples and really

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understand, um, what's going on there. Um, so that's, that's

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kind of the three components that I'm looking to develop.

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Um, and in terms of some of the key principles,

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I don't want to go too deep, but a couple

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of things that have kind of stood out to me

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kind of since, since speaking to the city here is

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having a unified or an understood project life cycle. So

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projects typically go through a life cycle, but they seem

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to be referred a little bit informally. So I think

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the real opportunity to actually concrete these. And actually along

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the life cycle understand what are the key things we

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need to do? What are the key del need to

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come out of it? And what are the key readiness

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checks that we need to do before we move to

473
00:29:15,723 --> 00:29:17,942
the next stage just to make sure we've answered all

474
00:29:17,942 --> 00:29:20,342
the right questions, uh, ahead of time to set ourselves

475
00:29:20,443 --> 00:29:23,062
up for success. Um, so it was part of that.

476
00:29:23,062 --> 00:29:25,942
We will be introducing radiance checks or stage gates and

477
00:29:26,283 --> 00:29:30,662
they'll be checklists asking questions. What needs to be done

478
00:29:31,003 --> 00:29:34,262
and making sure everything's done before moving forward. Um, another

479
00:29:34,283 --> 00:29:37,222
key principle I wanted to point out is, um, is

480
00:29:37,243 --> 00:29:40,982
the project categorization. So one of the best practices I've

481
00:29:41,022 --> 00:29:44,262
seen from other municipalities is right sizing the level of

482
00:29:44,363 --> 00:29:48,422
governance level of process and the level of documentation based

483
00:29:48,422 --> 00:29:51,542
on how complex the project is. So I know you

484
00:29:51,582 --> 00:29:55,842
mentioned a few projects earlier. The water treatment plant, the

485
00:29:55,842 --> 00:29:58,742
new City Hall, beautiful building. These I would consider big

486
00:29:58,843 --> 00:30:01,782
major projects. It's obviously require a lot more oversight and

487
00:30:01,782 --> 00:30:05,222
governance. You talk them bigger risks, bigger dollars. So I

488
00:30:05,222 --> 00:30:08,102
would expect kind of more governance around those. Then you

489
00:30:08,102 --> 00:30:11,302
have kind of more routine projects which maybe don't have

490
00:30:11,342 --> 00:30:14,102
that level of rigor, but needs to follow a defined

491
00:30:14,102 --> 00:30:16,942
process. And then the, what I call simpler projects. I

492
00:30:16,942 --> 00:30:18,982
know there's some internal works. Still need to follow some

493
00:30:19,003 --> 00:30:21,822
controls, but maybe you don't need such great oversight. So

494
00:30:21,883 --> 00:30:25,062
it's all about scaling, just recognising that the city has

495
00:30:25,403 --> 00:30:27,622
finite resources and we need to optimise and put them

496
00:30:27,662 --> 00:30:33,678
to best use. So this is my second last slide.

497
00:30:33,678 --> 00:30:35,758
Really, I wanted to kind of talk about council's role

498
00:30:35,859 --> 00:30:39,438
in capital project governance. Um, and my next slide, we'll

499
00:30:39,438 --> 00:30:42,958
come back to the three questions that Rod mentioned before.

500
00:30:42,958 --> 00:30:44,718
And typically, I think what we want to see is

501
00:30:44,819 --> 00:30:47,678
kind of clear distinction between what council does and what

502
00:30:47,699 --> 00:30:50,878
administration does. So typically what I would expect, and this

503
00:30:50,918 --> 00:30:53,598
is not set in stone, but, um, council would probably

504
00:30:53,598 --> 00:30:58,718
that strategic oversight, approving the capital plans, budgets, uh, approving

505
00:30:58,739 --> 00:31:02,158
changes where there's big change orders or big scope changes,

506
00:31:02,158 --> 00:31:05,678
for example, as well as receiving consistent reporting on, on

507
00:31:05,779 --> 00:31:10,378
the major complex projects which carry more risks inevitably. Um,

508
00:31:10,499 --> 00:31:14,158
and also, um, council, we expected to consider might as

509
00:31:14,158 --> 00:31:17,838
beyond matters that are escalated beyond some of those thresholds.

510
00:31:17,838 --> 00:31:21,018
So obviously some decisions can be made within administration, but

511
00:31:21,059 --> 00:31:22,798
some need to come back to council. So I think

512
00:31:22,899 --> 00:31:25,038
it's about right sizing that. Um, and then on the

513
00:31:25,059 --> 00:31:28,318
administration side, making sure that they're equipped and set up

514
00:31:28,358 --> 00:31:30,878
for success to be able to deliver the day -

515
00:31:30,878 --> 00:31:33,438
to - day delivery of your projects. Um, able to

516
00:31:33,478 --> 00:31:35,918
make those decisions within their control and within the kind

517
00:31:35,918 --> 00:31:39,198
of their delegated authority. Um, but also bearing mind they

518
00:31:39,198 --> 00:31:43,758
need to escalate things to council as required. Um, one

519
00:31:43,798 --> 00:31:46,398
thing that's come out, um, is I've heard from a

520
00:31:46,398 --> 00:31:48,678
lot of people kind of the need for transparency. I

521
00:31:48,678 --> 00:31:50,958
think I'm sure that's something council would like as part

522
00:31:50,958 --> 00:31:53,358
of that. Um, and one, one thing we've been discussing

523
00:31:53,619 --> 00:31:56,318
is whether some kind of maybe quarterly reporting or some

524
00:31:56,358 --> 00:31:59,198
more specific reporting around some of the more complex projects

525
00:31:59,379 --> 00:32:01,198
would be of interest. And that's where I'd be looking

526
00:32:01,238 --> 00:32:04,798
for some insight from yourselves, um, at the same time.

527
00:32:04,838 --> 00:32:08,238
Um, and, and so really we're just trying to right

528
00:32:08,278 --> 00:32:10,918
size this as we deliver the model. So it'd be

529
00:32:10,918 --> 00:32:14,927
great together input from yourselves. Um, so this is my

530
00:32:14,927 --> 00:32:17,487
last slide and this really landing on the three questions

531
00:32:17,668 --> 00:32:20,827
that, uh, Rob previously mentioned. What I like to get

532
00:32:20,868 --> 00:32:23,887
feedback on from yourselves is just to understand from Yorken

533
00:32:23,988 --> 00:32:27,247
context your perspective, some of those kind of insights that

534
00:32:27,247 --> 00:32:30,927
would help us develop the model that works for everyone.

535
00:32:30,927 --> 00:32:34,367
Um, so first off, does the proposed distinction between Council

536
00:32:34,388 --> 00:32:39,869
oversight and administration's delivery feel right. Secondly, what information does

537
00:32:39,869 --> 00:32:42,989
council need to feel confident that projects are on track?

538
00:32:42,989 --> 00:32:45,069
Or what would you like to receive? Um, either on

539
00:32:45,069 --> 00:32:48,109
a regular basis or, or less regular basis. And what

540
00:32:48,109 --> 00:32:50,349
don't you need to see perhaps? Um, and then lastly

541
00:32:50,610 --> 00:32:54,589
around proportionality. Does it make sense to have lighter governance

542
00:32:54,690 --> 00:32:57,709
on some of the kind of the smaller projects, maybe

543
00:32:57,709 --> 00:33:06,109
smaller by dollar value. Um, so I've come to the

544
00:33:06,130 --> 00:33:09,709
end of my presentation, um, really would love to hear

545
00:33:09,749 --> 00:33:12,729
your feedback. And I open up to yourselves, mayor and

546
00:33:12,729 --> 00:33:16,710
counsel. Well, thanks for your presentation. And yes, those questions

547
00:33:16,971 --> 00:33:20,530
were in the staff report. So I'm sure that, uh,

548
00:33:20,811 --> 00:33:24,070
council's had a chance to, uh, give thought to those.

549
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:28,550
So I'll just, just ask counsel, they'd like to speak

550
00:33:28,571 --> 00:33:33,417
to those questions. I certainly will, but as usual, I'll

551
00:33:33,457 --> 00:33:41,896
go last. Council Freezen. Thank you, Mr. Merritt. I didn't

552
00:33:41,896 --> 00:33:44,976
see anybody else jumping on this one. So maybe I'll

553
00:33:45,016 --> 00:33:49,696
start off. Um, you know, in general, uh, sorry, first,

554
00:33:49,696 --> 00:33:52,796
thank you for the presentation. I think, you know, this

555
00:33:52,796 --> 00:33:55,456
is, this is something the council has been very focused

556
00:33:55,456 --> 00:33:59,606
on. You know, both for our staff and for our

557
00:33:59,646 --> 00:34:04,016
residents. We want to ensure that projects move forward smoothly

558
00:34:04,997 --> 00:34:07,616
and that everybody's aware. And the, you know, the big

559
00:34:07,616 --> 00:34:12,267
surprises. You know, and some of this I'll speak for

560
00:34:12,267 --> 00:34:15,627
myself, obviously, and not on behalf of all of Council.

561
00:34:15,627 --> 00:34:18,507
And I have a bit of a benefit in that

562
00:34:18,507 --> 00:34:20,427
I am in the construction industry. And so I tend

563
00:34:20,427 --> 00:34:23,627
to get myself a little more involved in things like

564
00:34:23,728 --> 00:34:30,987
design and, you know, process and construction where, and some,

565
00:34:30,987 --> 00:34:32,747
you know, part of me likes to get really involved

566
00:34:33,408 --> 00:34:37,547
in provide insight and input. Um, understanding that that's not

567
00:34:37,547 --> 00:34:41,947
necessarily what staff want. But, you know, I think it,

568
00:34:41,947 --> 00:34:45,067
when we have the opportunity, um, it's good to ask

569
00:34:45,248 --> 00:34:50,576
the questions. Um, and allow, you know, allow council the

570
00:34:50,677 --> 00:34:54,496
benefit to, we're here to speak on behalf of our

571
00:34:54,597 --> 00:34:57,841
residents. We have ideas as well. And I don't have

572
00:34:58,182 --> 00:35:01,761
any specific example, but the opportunity for us to speak

573
00:35:01,782 --> 00:35:04,081
throughout the project, and especially at the front end as

574
00:35:04,081 --> 00:35:06,881
it comes to design and things like that. I think,

575
00:35:06,881 --> 00:35:08,721
you know, I've heard from this council a number of

576
00:35:08,761 --> 00:35:10,321
times, you know, I really wish we could have had

577
00:35:10,342 --> 00:35:14,108
input into this. Really wish you could have had input

578
00:35:14,108 --> 00:35:17,898
into that. Um, and so, you know, I think that

579
00:35:17,999 --> 00:35:23,658
that is one area. And, you know, that I think

580
00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:27,429
is a big opportunity. Does this feel right? Yes. I

581
00:35:27,429 --> 00:35:32,189
think you do have the bones of what we would

582
00:35:32,189 --> 00:35:34,973
be looking for. Or what I would be looking for.

583
00:35:35,996 --> 00:35:41,175
I think the proposed approach, uh, feels right. Where should

584
00:35:41,175 --> 00:35:43,655
council decide and where should council be informed? I think

585
00:35:43,836 --> 00:35:49,716
Council should be informed a lot. Um, when counsel should

586
00:35:49,817 --> 00:35:52,676
decide, you know, I wonder if that could be something

587
00:35:52,937 --> 00:35:55,316
at the front end of a project to have the

588
00:35:55,356 --> 00:35:59,156
conversation, have a workshop, have a, you know, is this

589
00:35:59,196 --> 00:36:01,396
the type of project where council would love to get

590
00:36:01,436 --> 00:36:04,836
involved and provide input into this or input into that.

591
00:36:04,836 --> 00:36:07,069
And then we can provide feedback. If it comes down

592
00:36:07,090 --> 00:36:12,038
to, you know, we're doing sidewalks in a road. Probably

593
00:36:12,059 --> 00:36:17,158
less input. But, you know, we're doing, um, we're going

594
00:36:17,158 --> 00:36:18,918
to build a new pool. I'm sure we would love

595
00:36:19,579 --> 00:36:23,232
to provide lots of input. Now for the public, we're

596
00:36:23,232 --> 00:36:26,551
not building a new pool. But it just doesn't example.

597
00:36:30,844 --> 00:36:34,343
So I think, you know, council's been over the last

598
00:36:34,684 --> 00:36:38,663
year, I would say staff have come a long way

599
00:36:39,244 --> 00:36:42,903
and are providing a lot of information that allows us

600
00:36:42,943 --> 00:36:45,623
to have oversight. The risk registers that we've been seeing.

601
00:36:47,046 --> 00:36:51,555
And asking counsel different questions, keeping us informed. And so

602
00:36:51,595 --> 00:36:55,567
we have come a long way. And I give staff

603
00:36:55,588 --> 00:36:59,083
a lot of credit for that. Um. So, you know,

604
00:36:59,124 --> 00:37:01,723
what information does council need to feel confident? You know,

605
00:37:01,764 --> 00:37:06,297
yes, budget forecast schedule risks. Scope change is if we're

606
00:37:06,297 --> 00:37:09,177
going to be doing something that's a large scope change.

607
00:37:09,177 --> 00:37:10,537
And even if it's for the, you know, the right

608
00:37:10,577 --> 00:37:14,457
reason to save money or something like that, we do

609
00:37:14,457 --> 00:37:17,745
need to be aware. Uh, and that hasn't always been

610
00:37:17,785 --> 00:37:21,641
the case. Um, and then as far as proportionality goes,

611
00:37:21,662 --> 00:37:23,721
does it make sense to apply later governance to a

612
00:37:23,761 --> 00:37:28,043
team project's? Absolutely. I think, you know, I think there

613
00:37:28,043 --> 00:37:35,062
is a. Whether, you know, we can define lighter governance,

614
00:37:35,062 --> 00:37:36,582
but you know, maybe it's a reporting at the front

615
00:37:36,622 --> 00:37:39,862
end and the middle and the end versus monthly or

616
00:37:39,902 --> 00:37:42,747
something along those lines. Um, but, you know, I would

617
00:37:42,747 --> 00:37:45,527
say the things that we would want to, in my

618
00:37:45,527 --> 00:37:48,247
opinion, would be consistent. And that's a risk registers and

619
00:37:48,247 --> 00:37:52,967
things like that. Um, you know, for doing road rehab

620
00:37:52,967 --> 00:37:54,807
project, and I don't know if that'd be considered capital

621
00:37:55,068 --> 00:37:58,709
per se. I probably don't need a progress report. If

622
00:37:58,709 --> 00:38:03,375
it's all within budget and everything's going well. Um, but,

623
00:38:03,375 --> 00:38:05,775
you know, definitely when we're looking at, uh, larger capital

624
00:38:05,876 --> 00:38:08,735
and things like that, we do want to get involved.

625
00:38:08,735 --> 00:38:10,735
Um, we don't want to be nosy. We all understand

626
00:38:10,916 --> 00:38:14,575
that we don't understand all of construction in the process.

627
00:38:14,575 --> 00:38:18,197
And that's why we hire great people. But, uh, you

628
00:38:18,197 --> 00:38:20,757
know, they like to be involved. We're not just here

629
00:38:20,757 --> 00:38:25,957
to govern per se, but we really want to participate.

630
00:38:26,043 --> 00:38:29,302
So I hope that gives you some indication of where

631
00:38:29,323 --> 00:38:32,422
I'm at on this, uh, and yes, I think we

632
00:38:32,523 --> 00:38:34,902
are, for me personally, I think you are on the

633
00:38:34,902 --> 00:38:40,935
right track. Okay. Appreciate that. Thanks to those comments. Councillor

634
00:38:40,975 --> 00:38:44,666
Johnson. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and thank you for this

635
00:38:44,687 --> 00:38:48,586
presentation, this report. Um, you know, this is a really

636
00:38:48,586 --> 00:38:51,866
important project that Council has initiated here just to make

637
00:38:51,866 --> 00:38:56,426
sure that, um, we understand, you know, where we've succeeded

638
00:38:56,687 --> 00:38:59,846
where the challenges and how to overcome those in the

639
00:38:59,846 --> 00:39:02,266
future. So I'll just go through these at one at

640
00:39:02,266 --> 00:39:06,615
a time here for oversight. Like Councillor Freezen, I think

641
00:39:07,076 --> 00:39:09,375
we're really on the rage track. But I would just

642
00:39:09,375 --> 00:39:14,175
say this with oversight. Regardless of what project we do

643
00:39:14,196 --> 00:39:17,295
in the city, whether it be a major capital infrastructure

644
00:39:17,396 --> 00:39:20,735
improvement or, you know, a sidewalk connection, like all of

645
00:39:20,735 --> 00:39:24,175
the projects are seen as councils, projects like we wear

646
00:39:24,175 --> 00:39:28,335
those. So whether we're involved in the conversation at a

647
00:39:28,356 --> 00:39:31,695
micro or macro level, like we are, it's, it's our

648
00:39:31,695 --> 00:39:34,815
project, win or loose. Um, so we, we wear it.

649
00:39:36,329 --> 00:39:40,068
Um, so I think as often as we can, um,

650
00:39:40,489 --> 00:39:43,988
we should be in the know, you know, again, whether

651
00:39:44,009 --> 00:39:46,868
it be a major project or a smaller project. Council

652
00:39:46,908 --> 00:39:50,308
should be informed along the way regardless. Um, I think

653
00:39:50,409 --> 00:39:53,108
when I, when I look at how we might be

654
00:39:53,289 --> 00:39:59,508
informed, um, the risk registry is really important. Um, we

655
00:39:59,508 --> 00:40:03,668
look at change orders, um, you know, anytime there's, like

656
00:40:03,668 --> 00:40:06,308
we've heard the term value engineering a lot through some

657
00:40:06,308 --> 00:40:09,348
of our capital projects, like a lot of the changes

658
00:40:09,529 --> 00:40:13,588
that we have seen made on PASS projects. We were

659
00:40:13,628 --> 00:40:15,588
made aware of after the fact. So there was no

660
00:40:15,609 --> 00:40:20,788
opportunity for council's input in the situation whatsoever to the

661
00:40:20,788 --> 00:40:25,108
level that at times it's actually not what council wanted.

662
00:40:25,108 --> 00:40:27,888
And a couple of times we've had value engineering, um,

663
00:40:28,009 --> 00:40:30,788
decisions that had to be reversed because it wasn't the

664
00:40:30,788 --> 00:40:35,008
right outcome. And so, uh, I think just, you know,

665
00:40:35,289 --> 00:40:38,948
I give that as some context to, if there's anything

666
00:40:39,769 --> 00:40:42,228
related to a change in the budget, a change in

667
00:40:42,268 --> 00:40:47,508
direction, value engineering, like council needs to be brought into

668
00:40:47,548 --> 00:40:50,926
the conversation early. Cause I really do believe we have

669
00:40:50,966 --> 00:40:54,126
an excellent team here that offers some keen insight at

670
00:40:54,126 --> 00:40:57,566
times. And often when you're in the ground, like at

671
00:40:57,566 --> 00:40:59,486
the staff level, like you're, you're in the weeds, you're

672
00:40:59,486 --> 00:41:01,806
in the project. We have the benefit of looking things

673
00:41:01,846 --> 00:41:05,166
from that higher level. And oftentimes maybe seeing something or

674
00:41:05,206 --> 00:41:07,566
identifying something that was missed because we're just looking at

675
00:41:07,606 --> 00:41:10,046
it from a different set of eyes. So I'd say

676
00:41:10,067 --> 00:41:14,606
lean on council's expertise, um, because we can come up

677
00:41:14,646 --> 00:41:18,206
with some pretty interesting stuff sometimes. So, um, as far

678
00:41:18,246 --> 00:41:22,526
as information, um, you know, I like all the examples

679
00:41:22,627 --> 00:41:26,787
you have there. Um, you know, I actually don't have

680
00:41:27,048 --> 00:41:31,386
an issue at all with the information. Section here. Like

681
00:41:31,407 --> 00:41:36,666
keeping us informed early and often is a good, a

682
00:41:36,666 --> 00:41:41,350
good way to think about it. Proportionality. You know, I

683
00:41:41,350 --> 00:41:46,470
think there is a degree of variability between the different

684
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:49,539
projects that we would perform here as a city. Like,

685
00:41:49,539 --> 00:41:51,699
you know, for doing a sidewalk connection with our in

686
00:41:51,699 --> 00:41:55,059
- house capital crew, we probably don't need to be

687
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,779
intimately involved in that. But I do want to be

688
00:41:57,819 --> 00:42:01,139
aware because we've also had situations where, you know, there

689
00:42:01,139 --> 00:42:04,019
are minor projects going on. And I find out from

690
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,259
a resident, oh, Hey, they're doing this work in our

691
00:42:06,299 --> 00:42:08,625
community. I had no idea. Or in our neighbourhood. I

692
00:42:08,625 --> 00:42:11,785
had no idea. So I think just keeping council well

693
00:42:11,785 --> 00:42:14,905
aware so that we can not only just be a

694
00:42:14,905 --> 00:42:18,505
part of it, but promote successes and, you know, celebrate

695
00:42:18,686 --> 00:42:21,705
the things that we're getting done in our community. That's

696
00:42:21,705 --> 00:42:26,265
something Council does well. And I think we'd like greater

697
00:42:26,265 --> 00:42:30,825
visibility. And even like when those projects are done, you

698
00:42:30,825 --> 00:42:33,465
know, just whether it be just a, it doesn't always

699
00:42:33,465 --> 00:42:35,465
have to be a ribbon cutting, but just celebrating the

700
00:42:35,486 --> 00:42:38,105
good work that's being done in the community. Because if

701
00:42:38,105 --> 00:42:41,145
you live in a neighbourhood, um, like say Roe's Valley

702
00:42:41,166 --> 00:42:44,325
might be very unaware of what's happening. And, you know,

703
00:42:44,606 --> 00:42:49,305
like, likewites or Smith Creek or Glenrosa. So, um, and

704
00:42:49,345 --> 00:42:53,225
then as far as I hit another note here, just

705
00:42:53,225 --> 00:43:00,521
a second. The last track of it here. You know

706
00:43:00,521 --> 00:43:02,441
what? I'll leave it there for now. I know we've

707
00:43:02,441 --> 00:43:05,481
got other councillors that want to speak. But, uh, definitely

708
00:43:05,521 --> 00:43:08,521
excited about where this is going. Uh, and I do

709
00:43:08,561 --> 00:43:11,481
think the changes that have been made already have been

710
00:43:11,521 --> 00:43:15,161
producing positive results when I look at even how the

711
00:43:15,262 --> 00:43:18,521
fire hall was managed. And it was a fantastic project

712
00:43:18,862 --> 00:43:21,241
on time and on budget. So really happy with the

713
00:43:21,281 --> 00:43:24,601
changes that are already underway. And with what's to come.

714
00:43:24,601 --> 00:43:28,728
Thank you. Great. Thank you very much. Council Dion. Yeah,

715
00:43:28,728 --> 00:43:32,199
thank you. Mr. Mayor. And to you to Chris. Thank

716
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:35,047
you for being here tonight. And, uh, working on what

717
00:43:35,087 --> 00:43:37,447
I consider is probably one of the most important projects

718
00:43:37,708 --> 00:43:42,552
of this term. So, um, thank you. Um, and I'm

719
00:43:42,592 --> 00:43:48,115
looking for a structured approach. Um, uh, framework. To give

720
00:43:48,296 --> 00:43:52,915
both council of the day and staff of the day

721
00:43:54,056 --> 00:43:58,915
clear guidance as to the roles and expectations. And I

722
00:43:58,955 --> 00:44:01,215
hear my colleague next to me referring to, you know,

723
00:44:01,336 --> 00:44:02,835
at the beginning of a project, we can have a

724
00:44:02,875 --> 00:44:05,897
workshop and determine. No, I want it's spelled out. I

725
00:44:05,897 --> 00:44:07,817
don't want to, that determine what that role is going

726
00:44:07,817 --> 00:44:09,537
to be and how much oversight is going to happen.

727
00:44:10,201 --> 00:44:12,740
On a project by project basis. I want to policy

728
00:44:12,921 --> 00:44:16,009
giving guidance. Um, and direction to all of us on

729
00:44:16,049 --> 00:44:20,249
what our expectations are going to be. Um, when I

730
00:44:20,249 --> 00:44:22,789
look at what's been outlined here from, from, you know,

731
00:44:22,789 --> 00:44:26,737
the focus for council versus the focus for administration. Very

732
00:44:26,737 --> 00:44:28,977
supportive of that. I think you are going the right

733
00:44:29,078 --> 00:44:32,337
direction. Um, you know, when I look at the oversight

734
00:44:32,758 --> 00:44:34,657
and you mentioned a critical word that I was going

735
00:44:34,657 --> 00:44:37,457
to bring up tonight, white is council want to oversight.

736
00:44:37,457 --> 00:44:40,017
Well, one of the reasons we're looking for that oversight,

737
00:44:40,017 --> 00:44:43,217
um, is for transparency. So the public can see where

738
00:44:43,238 --> 00:44:47,537
and how their monies are being spent. Um, and since,

739
00:44:47,537 --> 00:44:49,057
but at the end of the day, as you heard,

740
00:44:49,057 --> 00:44:50,737
we're going to be held accountable for that to the

741
00:44:50,737 --> 00:44:53,124
public, which is the way it should work. Uh, we

742
00:44:53,225 --> 00:44:56,404
need to be aware, not necessarily always making the decision

743
00:44:56,585 --> 00:44:59,824
depending on the scope and size of the project. But

744
00:44:59,824 --> 00:45:01,364
we need to be aware of how those monies are

745
00:45:01,364 --> 00:45:05,204
being spent. Um, I use the fire hall has already

746
00:45:05,244 --> 00:45:07,764
come up. In my mind as a clear example of

747
00:45:07,785 --> 00:45:11,261
a project, uh, that was well managed. That's what I'm

748
00:45:11,301 --> 00:45:15,101
looking for. A complete risk registry. Decisions that were coming

749
00:45:15,141 --> 00:45:17,661
in that need to be made came to council. Decisions

750
00:45:17,701 --> 00:45:20,061
that did not need to be maybe counsel. We were

751
00:45:20,061 --> 00:45:22,941
still informed. So we were aware. So when, when we

752
00:45:22,941 --> 00:45:25,581
get asked questions from the public, we could answer them.

753
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,339
Um, and I think that's a testament to how far

754
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,805
our staff today have come. In a short period of

755
00:45:34,805 --> 00:45:37,956
time to be quite frank. Because this beautiful building we're

756
00:45:37,956 --> 00:45:40,036
in now, as far as I'm concerned is an example.

757
00:45:40,898 --> 00:45:45,663
Of how not to run a project. Major cash decisions

758
00:45:45,764 --> 00:45:49,503
were being made outside and away from this council's table.

759
00:45:49,503 --> 00:45:52,906
We found out after the fact in many cases. Um,

760
00:45:53,167 --> 00:45:56,826
by previous administration, that is how not to run a

761
00:45:56,866 --> 00:45:59,386
process. And that's why I see what you're doing right

762
00:45:59,426 --> 00:46:04,909
now for work. Critical. And I would at the larger

763
00:46:04,930 --> 00:46:07,309
scale, certainly going to be more oversight than the smaller

764
00:46:07,330 --> 00:46:09,702
scale. Uh, but one of the things I read in

765
00:46:09,702 --> 00:46:12,182
here that I'm, I have a little bit of a

766
00:46:12,203 --> 00:46:15,275
different opinion on. Uh, the more day to day routine

767
00:46:15,315 --> 00:46:20,647
purchases. Room for improvement. Go look at our budget process

768
00:46:20,668 --> 00:46:24,007
from the last budget process and how we got bogged

769
00:46:24,007 --> 00:46:28,247
down for almost an hour talking about purchasing heavy duty

770
00:46:28,247 --> 00:46:30,487
equipment, which to me is part of a regular budget

771
00:46:30,508 --> 00:46:34,327
routine. But there was information that wasn't available that came

772
00:46:34,327 --> 00:46:36,807
up later on how things were managed two years earlier.

773
00:46:37,567 --> 00:46:41,386
Androro for improvement even at that level. And not that

774
00:46:41,386 --> 00:46:43,706
anybody's at full. It's just we need the processes to

775
00:46:43,746 --> 00:46:47,563
guide us all. And we're missing those even at that

776
00:46:47,603 --> 00:46:50,283
basic level. So I would encourage you not just to

777
00:46:50,283 --> 00:46:53,963
look at the major projects and the processes and frameworks

778
00:46:54,144 --> 00:46:56,403
involved for those. But look at the day - to

779
00:46:56,403 --> 00:46:58,603
- day stuff as well, please, because there's definitely room

780
00:46:58,624 --> 00:47:05,547
for improvement. As far as, well, I've already covered the

781
00:47:05,587 --> 00:47:08,267
oversight. So maybe at this point I'll leave it for

782
00:47:08,307 --> 00:47:11,227
others. The big thing for me is getting the process

783
00:47:11,408 --> 00:47:14,297
involved. So expectations are clear. And that we need to

784
00:47:14,297 --> 00:47:17,419
be transparent. In this whole process. And that's what I'm

785
00:47:17,459 --> 00:47:22,778
after. Fiscal responsibility and transparency. That's our goal, how to

786
00:47:22,778 --> 00:47:25,338
make it happen is death. That's kind of what I'm

787
00:47:25,338 --> 00:47:29,350
looking for. Great. Thank you very much. Council of DeSilva.

788
00:47:30,564 --> 00:47:33,263
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Great comments around the table so

789
00:47:33,303 --> 00:47:36,943
far. Um, when I looked at this, uh, which is

790
00:47:36,943 --> 00:47:39,503
this really important work. I looked at it from a

791
00:47:39,503 --> 00:47:42,143
perspective of one of the new councillors at the table.

792
00:47:42,143 --> 00:47:45,103
Um, and the difference between the capital projects that I

793
00:47:45,143 --> 00:47:47,743
saw in those first two years versus the Capital projects

794
00:47:47,743 --> 00:47:49,743
that we see now, it's night and day as far

795
00:47:49,743 --> 00:47:51,983
as reporting the way that we see budgets, the way

796
00:47:51,983 --> 00:47:57,343
we see risk mitigation. It's, it's completely different. So we've

797
00:47:57,383 --> 00:47:59,163
done a lot. I think staff has done a lot

798
00:47:59,163 --> 00:48:02,943
of work. Um, and good work. So for me, um,

799
00:48:03,524 --> 00:48:05,183
some of the things that I would have liked to

800
00:48:05,183 --> 00:48:08,303
see at the time in those first projects, um, Rose

801
00:48:08,303 --> 00:48:10,623
Valley Water Treating Plants City Hall, I came in at

802
00:48:10,623 --> 00:48:13,503
the very end of those. So what we didn't see

803
00:48:13,684 --> 00:48:16,943
at that time was, um, you know, we'd see financial

804
00:48:17,124 --> 00:48:19,903
reports, but there was no rationale behind the numbers that

805
00:48:19,943 --> 00:48:22,943
we saw. There was, uh, no itemized notes. We are

806
00:48:22,983 --> 00:48:24,783
seeing that now, but it would be nice to see

807
00:48:24,823 --> 00:48:27,023
that going forward and for it to really be defined

808
00:48:27,063 --> 00:48:30,383
that we continue to see that. Um, the risk mitigation

809
00:48:30,423 --> 00:48:34,423
list I talked about already. But, um, we're going to

810
00:48:34,423 --> 00:48:37,343
see Mount Bouchery an update on that in 9. 8,

811
00:48:37,343 --> 00:48:39,023
I think it is. And that's a great example of

812
00:48:39,284 --> 00:48:42,303
having that outline list of, you know, what our risk,

813
00:48:42,303 --> 00:48:44,623
how do we, how are we mitigating those and what

814
00:48:44,644 --> 00:48:46,783
does that look like as far as that goes? So,

815
00:48:46,783 --> 00:48:50,143
uh, really nice to see those too. I did notice,

816
00:48:50,143 --> 00:48:55,023
uh, you mentioned guiding documents, um, guidance documents, uh, within

817
00:48:55,204 --> 00:48:57,743
this project scope. But I think it would be beneficial

818
00:48:57,783 --> 00:49:01,183
to have summarized one for council and for new council

819
00:49:01,183 --> 00:49:05,263
members. Um, for those, uh, unlike council freezing who does

820
00:49:05,263 --> 00:49:08,143
have a construction background for someone like myself who comes

821
00:49:08,244 --> 00:49:11,423
into a role like this and an elected position and

822
00:49:11,423 --> 00:49:14,943
doesn't have a background in construction, um, it would be

823
00:49:14,964 --> 00:49:17,983
really valuable, especially when you're coming in and you're seeing,

824
00:49:17,983 --> 00:49:20,623
um, all these numbers to, to understand outlines of the

825
00:49:20,804 --> 00:49:25,423
life cycle. Summary's documents, um, outlining capital projects versus complex

826
00:49:25,444 --> 00:49:28,383
projects and how those are defined, uh, for anyone new

827
00:49:28,484 --> 00:49:30,923
coming into this role. It would be a valuable, um,

828
00:49:31,204 --> 00:49:34,943
piece of documentation for you to really help you get,

829
00:49:34,943 --> 00:49:36,783
and it's timely as we're coming into an election season

830
00:49:36,804 --> 00:49:40,143
as well, uh, we have new people at the table.

831
00:49:42,297 --> 00:49:45,316
And when it comes to, um, how often we will

832
00:49:45,316 --> 00:49:47,680
want to see this. You know, a really, really, really

833
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:49,760
defining when we're going to see these reports. If it's

834
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,040
quarterly or otherwise, um, we do see reports of all

835
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,440
of our projects, but through every once in a while.

836
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,640
I don't think that's, I don't think it's quarterly. I

837
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,560
think it's, we've seen a few in this year, but,

838
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,000
uh, they come out randomly. So, uh, I would like

839
00:50:04,021 --> 00:50:06,960
it to have a combination of both capital projects as

840
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,160
well as, um, just regular projects around so that we

841
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,480
know what's going on. Cause I do agree. Sometimes you

842
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,600
hear from residents, oh, the project going on up the

843
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,320
street. So something that we could look at is counsel

844
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,400
that we understand what's happening with that. It gets updated

845
00:50:20,501 --> 00:50:23,440
and we, whether that comes, um, with the rest of

846
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,480
our quarterly reports or whether it comes on its own,

847
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,660
um, would be nice to have as well. So, um,

848
00:50:29,941 --> 00:50:31,920
I think those were all of my comments for this,

849
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,240
but really great, really great to see this happening because

850
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:39,410
I think defining how this works is important. Thanks. Great.

851
00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:46,432
Thank you. Council Zannon. Thank you, worship. Well, um, I'm

852
00:50:46,453 --> 00:50:49,872
thankful that this study is underway. And I'm hoping we

853
00:50:49,912 --> 00:50:53,312
can refine it. Um, it's going to be very helpful.

854
00:50:53,312 --> 00:50:56,592
However, my question is essentially how far and how deep

855
00:50:56,933 --> 00:51:01,632
do we go? Because we're not project managers. And if

856
00:51:01,632 --> 00:51:04,832
you look what is lack of oversight, it means our

857
00:51:04,853 --> 00:51:09,240
unintentional, uh, failure to, uh, notice something. It's in the

858
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:14,440
definition. Um, how, what is the expectation for the reasonable

859
00:51:14,701 --> 00:51:17,960
council? And we're not the only council that has ever

860
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:22,360
encountered this issue. There are dozens and dozens of other

861
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,940
municipalities that must have come to grasp with this. And

862
00:51:26,141 --> 00:51:30,600
I'm kind of surprised that we're still kind of having

863
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,400
issues and only noticing it because right now we have

864
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,680
the example of a beautiful project, which is the Mount

865
00:51:36,781 --> 00:51:39,880
Bushery community centre. We've been informed all along the way

866
00:51:39,901 --> 00:51:43,640
we have risk management. It's stuff. We never knew that

867
00:51:43,981 --> 00:51:47,492
we should have had that. Years ago. And now we

868
00:51:47,532 --> 00:51:50,692
know we have a different expectation. I think the council

869
00:51:50,732 --> 00:51:53,812
has already gotten elevated level of knowledge. But I'm not

870
00:51:53,913 --> 00:51:57,652
sure where we start going over from being a policymaking

871
00:51:57,673 --> 00:52:01,632
body and governance into the operational issues. Because that's why

872
00:52:01,632 --> 00:52:04,372
we have a staff. And I don't want to step

873
00:52:04,393 --> 00:52:06,292
in their toes, but on the other hand, I think

874
00:52:06,313 --> 00:52:09,252
they'd be very grateful if we could understand a little

875
00:52:09,252 --> 00:52:13,012
bit more about to see how deep and how far

876
00:52:13,753 --> 00:52:15,652
we're supposed to go. And that's the kind of advice

877
00:52:15,673 --> 00:52:17,612
that I'm looking for. And I hope we're going to

878
00:52:17,612 --> 00:52:23,221
get there. Thank you. Well, thank you. Just, just a

879
00:52:23,221 --> 00:52:26,261
few comments from myself. I agree with the law. What's

880
00:52:26,261 --> 00:52:28,981
been said around the table here. And, you know, I

881
00:52:29,021 --> 00:52:33,781
support the breakdown from the administration and on our role

882
00:52:33,882 --> 00:52:39,750
as council from the governance point of view. You know,

883
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:43,145
I think it structure is important. But, you know, as

884
00:52:43,145 --> 00:52:47,545
far as input from council, from a construction point of

885
00:52:47,545 --> 00:52:50,825
view, but what happens if there's a council and no

886
00:52:50,825 --> 00:52:55,276
one has a construction background. It could very well happen.

887
00:52:55,276 --> 00:52:59,356
So it's really important that we have the proper structure

888
00:52:59,537 --> 00:53:03,140
in place to deal with that. Um, so I don't

889
00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:08,500
think, I wouldn't, uh, I wouldn't base this, I guess

890
00:53:08,540 --> 00:53:11,300
the outcomes are the fact that there are some expertise

891
00:53:11,321 --> 00:53:17,071
on accounts because it may not be there. There's, as

892
00:53:17,071 --> 00:53:19,711
far as the administration's role, as far as managing the

893
00:53:19,711 --> 00:53:23,071
project delivery, uh, I think it's important to have that

894
00:53:23,492 --> 00:53:28,511
clearly described a front of the project, like what's a

895
00:53:28,511 --> 00:53:33,631
consultant's rule, you know, whose responsibility internally for managing approach.

896
00:53:34,451 --> 00:53:37,310
I mean, this project City Hall, we had three or

897
00:53:37,331 --> 00:53:41,850
four managers internally. And that caused a lot of, uh,

898
00:53:43,011 --> 00:53:48,759
misunderstanding. Lack of clarity, lack of direction. So, um, managed

899
00:53:48,759 --> 00:53:53,502
project delivery. Well, what does that mean. Who's going to

900
00:53:53,643 --> 00:53:57,854
be responsible for that. Uh, in addition to sort of

901
00:53:57,854 --> 00:54:00,174
the front end work, I think it's important to have

902
00:54:00,275 --> 00:54:06,597
a debriefing session. And, you know, again, on all projects,

903
00:54:06,597 --> 00:54:09,625
you had that close out box. Did that include a

904
00:54:09,646 --> 00:54:14,599
debriefing session. Or should that follow so that there can

905
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:18,199
be a summary of any of the successes and any

906
00:54:18,199 --> 00:54:21,462
problems and any issues that came up. So we can

907
00:54:21,723 --> 00:54:26,941
continue to learn. Um. I think you covered it off

908
00:54:27,122 --> 00:54:29,501
otherwise in a regular reporting is really important from a

909
00:54:29,541 --> 00:54:34,336
financial point of view and also risk register. So they're

910
00:54:34,376 --> 00:54:41,131
just my additional comments. Any other Councillor Johnson. Thank you,

911
00:54:41,131 --> 00:54:42,811
Mr. Mayor. Just a couple of other things. As far

912
00:54:42,811 --> 00:54:47,931
as, uh, like inside or information goes, um, you know,

913
00:54:48,752 --> 00:54:51,691
there was reference to sort of maybe some irregularity between

914
00:54:51,792 --> 00:54:55,948
the reporting. Periods or the processes as far as projects

915
00:54:55,948 --> 00:55:00,550
go. And maybe there are different processes and reporting periods

916
00:55:00,891 --> 00:55:02,630
depending on the scale of the project. But I think

917
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:07,110
of, you know, my background's in residential construction. And oftentimes

918
00:55:07,291 --> 00:55:10,310
there's project management software that's being utilised with there be

919
00:55:10,411 --> 00:55:13,190
co - construct builder trend. And so as the customer

920
00:55:13,851 --> 00:55:16,710
or as the owner agent, you would have access to

921
00:55:17,611 --> 00:55:21,270
the insights, you know, at a, at whatever pace it's

922
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:25,030
set up within the program. So, you know, and maybe

923
00:55:25,070 --> 00:55:28,150
we don't need, we don't need day to day insights

924
00:55:28,171 --> 00:55:31,190
and updates as a council, but, you know, maybe setting

925
00:55:31,230 --> 00:55:35,830
that based on the scale of the project, setting, Hey,

926
00:55:35,830 --> 00:55:39,830
it's a weekly, you know, progress report or it's a

927
00:55:39,830 --> 00:55:43,190
monthly or, you know, I think having that consistency that

928
00:55:43,230 --> 00:55:45,110
we can rely on as a council to see where

929
00:55:45,131 --> 00:55:49,830
we're at. It was brought up again, like I want

930
00:55:49,830 --> 00:55:53,910
to clarify, I don't think council needs oversight over the

931
00:55:54,011 --> 00:55:58,310
construction process once we're under contract and underway. It would

932
00:55:58,310 --> 00:56:02,790
be in relation to any changes of scope, change orders,

933
00:56:02,790 --> 00:56:07,110
value engineering, anything that sits outside of what council's expectation

934
00:56:07,531 --> 00:56:13,239
for delivering that project successfully. Um, looks like. So, um,

935
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,459
again, we don't need to know that they had to

936
00:56:16,499 --> 00:56:20,299
move the plug three feet over because there was a

937
00:56:20,339 --> 00:56:22,699
window there and it wasn't drawn. Like it wasn't the

938
00:56:22,699 --> 00:56:24,759
plan. We don't need to know those little things, but

939
00:56:24,759 --> 00:56:27,399
we need to be involved where there are, you know,

940
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,899
significant items. Um, at stake, especially where our dollars at

941
00:56:31,899 --> 00:56:35,170
play. And then the project management, I did, this is

942
00:56:35,170 --> 00:56:37,410
the thing I wanted to touch on that I lost

943
00:56:37,591 --> 00:56:40,995
in my notes. I'd like how much better understanding of

944
00:56:41,035 --> 00:56:47,869
the clarity of the project management hierarchy. Especially when it

945
00:56:47,869 --> 00:56:50,509
comes to major capital projects that we're delivering. Because I've

946
00:56:50,509 --> 00:56:53,469
seen, and I'll take this project as an example we

947
00:56:53,469 --> 00:56:58,749
had, you know, somebody over here acting as our representative,

948
00:56:58,749 --> 00:57:00,469
then it changed to someone over here. And then it

949
00:57:00,469 --> 00:57:04,409
was sort of. This entity. And then the builder and

950
00:57:04,409 --> 00:57:06,249
then there's now a, you know, we've got a third

951
00:57:06,510 --> 00:57:10,089
party involved. And it's like, holy smokes, how much oversight

952
00:57:10,110 --> 00:57:13,369
do we actually need on a project? Um, and in

953
00:57:13,409 --> 00:57:15,849
some cases, I actually think we have far too many

954
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:21,049
people providing oversight. So I'd like a clear understanding, again,

955
00:57:21,049 --> 00:57:23,849
based on the hierarchy of the project, who is our

956
00:57:24,110 --> 00:57:28,729
representative, the Representative of Council as that project manager. Um,

957
00:57:28,729 --> 00:57:30,889
and I think that would be really important to clearly

958
00:57:31,070 --> 00:57:35,289
identify the contact point for council as far as the

959
00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:43,988
project management goes for any capital. Project. Thanks. That's one

960
00:57:44,009 --> 00:57:46,688
young. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We've heard a lot

961
00:57:46,688 --> 00:57:51,088
tonight about the project registry as an important aspect. And

962
00:57:51,088 --> 00:57:54,142
I, I, I would strongly support that. Um, I've been

963
00:57:54,142 --> 00:57:57,262
asking for that ever since I saw my first one

964
00:57:57,302 --> 00:58:00,362
through the fire hall and the value of it. Um,

965
00:58:00,723 --> 00:58:03,582
and I want to emphasize, I'm not looking for a

966
00:58:03,843 --> 00:58:10,852
risk registry summary. Because a summary, and we've got great

967
00:58:10,953 --> 00:58:14,212
staff here today, but, but a summary is basically what

968
00:58:14,393 --> 00:58:17,152
staff thinks is important to bring forward to council. And

969
00:58:17,152 --> 00:58:20,330
then maybe missing stuff. Uh, what I appreciated with the

970
00:58:20,511 --> 00:58:24,092
fire hall registry is we got a report. That had

971
00:58:24,353 --> 00:58:28,229
a summary, but we also had an attachment. Of the

972
00:58:28,410 --> 00:58:30,942
registry. So we could, so we could see the whole

973
00:58:30,963 --> 00:58:34,943
registry. So we can read the summary. And then if

974
00:58:34,943 --> 00:58:39,523
we wanted to get into the weeds a little bit

975
00:58:39,644 --> 00:58:43,143
and understand how that registry was put together, it's information.

976
00:58:43,143 --> 00:58:45,223
It's not decision points in our part. But to have

977
00:58:45,223 --> 00:58:49,463
that full registry as information, um, not just a summary

978
00:58:49,644 --> 00:58:53,943
was quite important to me. Um, having, like I said,

979
00:58:54,044 --> 00:58:57,623
having seen how this project was managed. I'm a little

980
00:58:57,623 --> 00:59:00,335
bit shy. And I want to stay in the, in

981
00:59:00,375 --> 00:59:05,229
my lane as governance. Um, but I also want to

982
00:59:05,229 --> 00:59:07,509
know that there's confidence as we move forward. And I

983
00:59:07,549 --> 00:59:10,949
do a commend. There's been tremendous leaps and balance forwards

984
00:59:11,850 --> 00:59:15,989
under the new senior management team, which I'm thrilled about.

985
00:59:15,989 --> 00:59:18,069
Um, but I'm still, when I look at what's around

986
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:22,342
us today, I'm thrilled. It's a good beautiful building. But

987
00:59:22,603 --> 00:59:26,662
now knowing how a good project can run and what

988
00:59:26,702 --> 00:59:30,300
information came and didn't come before. I'm a little gunshied.

989
00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:33,500
So I, and that's why I'm leaning towards, yes, give

990
00:59:33,540 --> 00:59:37,384
us more information. That's not decision points, but information. Um,

991
00:59:37,585 --> 00:59:43,282
and then limited division points. To the governance. If that

992
00:59:43,282 --> 00:59:45,442
makes sense. But I don't want to see a summary

993
00:59:45,482 --> 00:59:47,362
of a registry. That just won't cut it for me.

994
00:59:49,214 --> 00:59:54,585
Okay. Any further comments at all. Very good. I think

995
00:59:54,585 --> 00:59:58,278
you've got quite a bit of feedback there. Okay. Really

996
00:59:58,318 --> 01:00:00,598
appreciate your feedback. And we'll take into consideration. Thank you.

997
01:00:01,099 --> 01:00:07,054
Great. Thank you. Okay. Next on the agenda. Mr. Bernard

998
01:00:07,054 --> 01:00:09,854
Tinder is 9. 2. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 9. 2

999
01:00:09,875 --> 01:00:12,814
is the Affordable Housing Grant Pilot Program. I'll turn over

1000
01:00:12,814 --> 01:00:14,814
to Ms. Clark. Could you provide a presentation? Thank you.

1001
01:00:21,327 --> 01:00:25,467
Welcome, Ms. Clark. Thank you very much. Good evening, Mr.

1002
01:00:25,488 --> 01:00:28,107
Mayor members of council. My name is Angel Clark and

1003
01:00:28,147 --> 01:00:30,667
I'm the housing manager. I'll be presenting the Affordable Housing

1004
01:00:31,168 --> 01:00:34,507
Pilot Grant Program. I'm joined by Andrew McKay, who we

1005
01:00:34,528 --> 01:00:37,387
answering questions, um, any questions you may have along with

1006
01:00:37,568 --> 01:00:42,819
myself. So to share a little bit of background on

1007
01:00:42,819 --> 01:00:47,379
the key decisions thus far on our incentive program. Last

1008
01:00:47,379 --> 01:00:49,619
fall, we worked together to refine the incentive program for

1009
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:55,539
Priority Housing, which included the community, customer community development, customer

1010
01:00:55,579 --> 01:00:59,779
service standard, front of line and concurrent development application processing

1011
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,819
procedure, grow a sweet - gram program in the DCC

1012
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:07,003
waiver for non - market housing. We launched the first

1013
01:01:07,104 --> 01:01:10,123
three listed on the slide in Q1 of this year,

1014
01:01:10,123 --> 01:01:13,003
but held off on the DCC waiver to first better

1015
01:01:13,024 --> 01:01:15,723
understand interest and needs of non - market housing providers

1016
01:01:16,064 --> 01:01:20,123
through our West Coluna builds Affordable Housing Partnership Program. Ultimately,

1017
01:01:20,163 --> 01:01:22,443
we have decided to pivot to offer a grant program

1018
01:01:22,704 --> 01:01:27,089
instead of the DCC waiver. So the purpose of this

1019
01:01:27,350 --> 01:01:30,769
proposed grant program is to incentivize the development of new

1020
01:01:30,809 --> 01:01:35,089
affordable housing. Grants can reduce financial barriers to housing development

1021
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:38,449
as well as as program will fulfill the CMHC initiative

1022
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:41,889
and increase secured affordable housing supply for low and water

1023
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:46,689
income households. This program, this proposed program is to open

1024
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:49,409
in October and run until the end of next year

1025
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:53,489
or until funding is fully committed, whichever comes first. As

1026
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:55,809
this is a pilot program, at the end of the

1027
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:58,929
program term, staff would be returning to council with an

1028
01:01:58,969 --> 01:02:02,529
analysis of program successes and learnings in council will have

1029
01:02:02,529 --> 01:02:06,804
an opportunity to explore extensions or adaptations. So for this

1030
01:02:06,825 --> 01:02:09,924
program, we are defining affordable housing as housing that provides

1031
01:02:10,505 --> 01:02:13,524
monthly rents or housing charges at a minimum of a

1032
01:02:13,564 --> 01:02:16,884
10 to 20 percent discount to CMHC average market rents

1033
01:02:16,985 --> 01:02:21,780
in West Colona. So under this program, we propose two

1034
01:02:21,801 --> 01:02:25,300
grant streams. Stream one is a pre - development grant,

1035
01:02:25,300 --> 01:02:28,980
which is intended to support early project development work, such

1036
01:02:29,001 --> 01:02:32,820
as consulting, design, and feasibility studies. This stream would have

1037
01:02:32,841 --> 01:02:36,580
a maximum budget of 200, 000. Stream two is a

1038
01:02:36,620 --> 01:02:40,020
housing delivery grant, which would support shovel - ready, market,

1039
01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:42,340
and non - market rental housing projects with affordable units

1040
01:02:42,921 --> 01:02:44,980
and would have a total program budget of 1 million.

1041
01:02:47,267 --> 01:02:49,166
I'm just going to walk through each of the two

1042
01:02:49,166 --> 01:02:51,326
streams in more detail, starting with the pre - development

1043
01:02:51,347 --> 01:02:54,929
grant. So this program is open for not - for

1044
01:02:54,929 --> 01:02:57,989
- profits cooperatives and faith - based institutions with a

1045
01:02:58,029 --> 01:03:00,824
non - profit housing provider. A project would need to

1046
01:03:00,864 --> 01:03:04,344
include a minimum of 20 percent affordable units, and those

1047
01:03:04,445 --> 01:03:07,944
units must be secured at least 20 percent below CMHC

1048
01:03:07,984 --> 01:03:11,224
average market rents. In addition, an applicant must not have

1049
01:03:11,264 --> 01:03:14,184
submitted a building permit application yet. It must have identified

1050
01:03:14,285 --> 01:03:18,066
another funding initiative being pursued. This grant would be one

1051
01:03:18,167 --> 01:03:20,786
- time funding of up to 50, 000 dollars per

1052
01:03:20,786 --> 01:03:23,266
project, which means this fund could support a minimum of

1053
01:03:23,527 --> 01:03:28,078
four non - market housing projects. This funding could be

1054
01:03:28,078 --> 01:03:31,838
used towards various types of early project development work as

1055
01:03:31,838 --> 01:03:35,678
outlined on this slide. The program would be enrolling intake.

1056
01:03:35,678 --> 01:03:38,478
And when an application is reviewed and approved, the associated

1057
01:03:38,499 --> 01:03:41,038
funding would be held for that project until it is

1058
01:03:41,059 --> 01:03:47,487
dispersed. Now, switching to the housing delivery grant stream. So

1059
01:03:47,487 --> 01:03:50,327
this stream provides per door grants at time of building

1060
01:03:50,348 --> 01:03:53,727
permit issuance for units that are secured as affordable. We

1061
01:03:53,727 --> 01:03:58,567
have two funding tiers based on applicant type unit affordability.

1062
01:03:58,567 --> 01:04:00,407
And I'm going to walk you through the details separately.

1063
01:04:02,012 --> 01:04:05,191
So tier one would be open to both for -

1064
01:04:05,191 --> 01:04:08,391
profit market rental housing providers and non - market housing

1065
01:04:08,391 --> 01:04:11,271
providers, non - market includes not - for - profit

1066
01:04:11,311 --> 01:04:15,271
rental and affordable home ownership and cooperatives. The Affordable Units

1067
01:04:15,271 --> 01:04:18,391
must have rents at least 10 percent below CMHC average

1068
01:04:18,412 --> 01:04:20,391
market rent and be secured for a minimum of 10

1069
01:04:20,431 --> 01:04:25,271
years. These parameters align with CMHC financing programs like the

1070
01:04:25,271 --> 01:04:29,511
MLI select program. The grants are 10, 000 performable studio

1071
01:04:29,532 --> 01:04:32,871
or one bed in 15, 000 per two better larger.

1072
01:04:33,132 --> 01:04:36,631
These grant amounts align with the approximate DCC fees for

1073
01:04:36,652 --> 01:04:41,690
typical sized units. So operate like a DCC offset. The

1074
01:04:41,791 --> 01:04:44,730
maximum of ground that each project could receive would be

1075
01:04:45,231 --> 01:04:49,741
250, 000 dollars. On this side here, we have an

1076
01:04:49,781 --> 01:04:53,421
example of a tier one project. So in this example,

1077
01:04:53,421 --> 01:04:55,821
it's a market rental developer with a 60 - unit

1078
01:04:55,821 --> 01:04:58,541
project who is securing 10 percent of their units as

1079
01:04:58,541 --> 01:05:01,901
affordable So of those six units, we assume half are

1080
01:05:01,941 --> 01:05:04,461
one beds, half row two beds, which equals a total

1081
01:05:04,642 --> 01:05:07,581
grant of 75, 000 dollars. If they were to increase

1082
01:05:07,762 --> 01:05:11,101
the affordability in the building to 20 units, they could

1083
01:05:11,101 --> 01:05:16,420
get their full maximum grant of 250, 000 dollars. Wear

1084
01:05:16,841 --> 01:05:19,540
2. So tier 2 is open only to non -

1085
01:05:19,540 --> 01:05:22,900
market housing providers with affordable units secured at least 20

1086
01:05:23,001 --> 01:05:26,980
percent below CMHC average market rent and secured for 60

1087
01:05:27,001 --> 01:05:29,860
years or the life of the building whichever is longer.

1088
01:05:29,860 --> 01:05:32,820
The per door grant amount is higher at 15, 000

1089
01:05:32,860 --> 01:05:35,620
for studios and webs and 20, 000 for two beds

1090
01:05:35,641 --> 01:05:39,140
are larger, and the maximum grant per project is 350,

1091
01:05:39,140 --> 01:05:43,060
000. These higher grand amounts will help offset DCC fees

1092
01:05:43,401 --> 01:05:46,759
as well as other city application and permit fees. As

1093
01:05:46,780 --> 01:05:49,479
with the pre - development grants, the housing delivery grant

1094
01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:53,475
would have a rolling intake. Therefore we are proposing a

1095
01:05:53,515 --> 01:06:00,431
maximum, I side event, program allotment of 500, 000. There

1096
01:06:00,431 --> 01:06:04,028
we go. To tier one projects to ensure we maintain

1097
01:06:04,129 --> 01:06:06,908
grant funding for non - market housing projects in tier

1098
01:06:06,929 --> 01:06:09,708
two, which may not be able to submit grant applications

1099
01:06:09,809 --> 01:06:13,228
as quickly as market developers. We are also invested in

1100
01:06:13,268 --> 01:06:15,388
ensuring that not - for - profits who have omission

1101
01:06:15,489 --> 01:06:17,948
and mandate to ensure long - term affordability may receive

1102
01:06:17,969 --> 01:06:21,388
support, and we see projects with deeper affordability delivered in

1103
01:06:21,428 --> 01:06:25,152
West Kelowna. This slide shows an example of a not

1104
01:06:25,152 --> 01:06:31,392
- for - profit housing project. 60 - unit project,

1105
01:06:31,392 --> 01:06:33,452
so for those 12 units, the grants will be, the

1106
01:06:33,452 --> 01:06:37,392
grant would be 210, 000 dollars If that applicant increase

1107
01:06:37,493 --> 01:06:40,512
the secured affordable units to 20, they could receive the

1108
01:06:40,512 --> 01:06:43,632
maximum of 350, 000. Of course, with the assumptions around

1109
01:06:43,813 --> 01:06:47,786
one and two bedrooms on the slide. Lastly, I just

1110
01:06:47,807 --> 01:06:52,826
want to show the current 2025 CMHC average market rents

1111
01:06:52,847 --> 01:06:55,066
for West Kelowna, which are the green column on the

1112
01:06:55,066 --> 01:06:58,426
slide. So for example, the average market rent for a

1113
01:06:58,447 --> 01:07:02,586
one bedroom is 1689 dollars Therefore,

1114
01:07:10,207 --> 01:07:13,066
When a renter moves out of an affordable unit in

1115
01:07:13,066 --> 01:07:15,066
one of these units, the new rent on that unit

1116
01:07:15,167 --> 01:07:18,586
would then reset to the then - current CMHC average

1117
01:07:18,607 --> 01:07:22,266
market rent with discount. So in addition to securing the

1118
01:07:22,607 --> 01:07:24,826
rents, we are also requiring that those units are provided

1119
01:07:24,866 --> 01:07:27,825
to households with low and moderate incomes. So how we

1120
01:07:27,825 --> 01:07:30,705
have set this criteria is that a household income can

1121
01:07:30,745 --> 01:07:33,025
be no more than what is required to be able

1122
01:07:33,025 --> 01:07:36,065
to afford a unit if paying 30 percent of gross

1123
01:07:36,065 --> 01:07:39,345
in common rent So if your rent is 1520 a

1124
01:07:39,345 --> 01:07:43,745
month, you pay 18, 240 a year towards rent in

1125
01:07:43,785 --> 01:07:48,945
18, 240 is 30 percent of 60, 800. Just to

1126
01:07:48,945 --> 01:07:53,274
break it down. So staff's recommendations are that council direct

1127
01:07:53,295 --> 01:07:56,874
staff to implement the affordable housing PILIT grant program allocating

1128
01:07:57,375 --> 01:08:00,634
1. 2 million from the half funding, and that 200,

1129
01:08:00,735 --> 01:08:03,754
000 of the 1. 2 million be allocated to the

1130
01:08:03,855 --> 01:08:06,634
pre - development grant and 1 million of the 1.

1131
01:08:06,655 --> 01:08:11,114
2 million budget be allocated to the housing delivery grant.

1132
01:08:11,114 --> 01:08:13,274
Thank you very much. We are here to, if you

1133
01:08:13,274 --> 01:08:17,254
have any questions. Thanks to your presentation. Council, have any

1134
01:08:17,254 --> 01:08:22,589
questions for Ms. Clark. Council Freezen. Thank you, Mr. Mayor,

1135
01:08:22,589 --> 01:08:25,789
and through to Ms. Clark. Green report, I like this

1136
01:08:25,810 --> 01:08:29,769
quite a bit. I like to see the creativity. Um,

1137
01:08:30,370 --> 01:08:34,189
my only real comment is when it comes to the

1138
01:08:34,370 --> 01:08:39,118
housing delivery grant, um. For tier one, so the for

1139
01:08:39,118 --> 01:08:43,518
- profit market rental and non - market. We've gone

1140
01:08:43,558 --> 01:08:47,038
to a 10 percent below CMHC versus the 20 for

1141
01:08:47,059 --> 01:08:49,278
the not - for - profits. What's the rationale behind

1142
01:08:49,939 --> 01:08:56,411
the delta there. Yes, through the mayor to Councillor Friesen.

1143
01:08:56,411 --> 01:08:59,451
Um, so the rationale for this tier one being just

1144
01:08:59,451 --> 01:09:02,811
a 10 percent discount to CMHC average market rents is

1145
01:09:02,811 --> 01:09:05,931
to have a root where projects that are going through

1146
01:09:06,192 --> 01:09:09,771
the CMHC MLI select program to be able to access

1147
01:09:11,072 --> 01:09:15,431
this grant as well to support viability. Um, so, um,

1148
01:09:15,792 --> 01:09:19,931
CMHC may not be support if a project were to

1149
01:09:19,971 --> 01:09:22,971
deepen the level of affordability, because typically they're quite strict

1150
01:09:23,011 --> 01:09:27,051
about, um, some units need to have higher rents, some

1151
01:09:27,051 --> 01:09:28,971
need to have lower rents, um, at least at the

1152
01:09:29,011 --> 01:09:31,931
starting building startup. So I think that just alignment with

1153
01:09:31,931 --> 01:09:35,451
CMHC as much as possible can help ensure more uptake

1154
01:09:35,872 --> 01:09:38,371
to the program. Okay, I didn't realise that, see, I

1155
01:09:38,371 --> 01:09:42,811
thought CMHC was working towards deeper affordability and not restricting

1156
01:09:42,851 --> 01:09:46,411
that. So that's interesting. So I can appreciate the approach

1157
01:09:46,592 --> 01:09:50,811
there. Um, the only other comment I have is that,

1158
01:09:50,811 --> 01:09:57,251
you know, I think if I were a developer, as

1159
01:09:57,251 --> 01:09:59,051
an example, I'd probably be going a lot for the

1160
01:09:59,091 --> 01:10:02,971
studios in the one beds, just proportionally the grant is

1161
01:10:02,971 --> 01:10:04,971
substantially higher than I think if you went to a

1162
01:10:05,072 --> 01:10:08,891
two bedroom as far as a cost construction and things

1163
01:10:08,891 --> 01:10:13,984
like that. Um, I. I'm not going to say it

1164
01:10:13,984 --> 01:10:16,224
has to be this way. I'd like to see maybe

1165
01:10:16,405 --> 01:10:20,723
in studios broken out differently. Uh, you know, to have,

1166
01:10:20,723 --> 01:10:24,803
uh, when I, when I look at the population here,

1167
01:10:24,803 --> 01:10:29,083
um, I don't see a lot of benefit in, I

1168
01:10:29,083 --> 01:10:31,307
shouldn't say that. I know studios have their place. Um,

1169
01:10:31,347 --> 01:10:33,547
but I think more, more of a residents have benefit

1170
01:10:33,587 --> 01:10:36,187
from at least a one bedroom and more sola two.

1171
01:10:37,536 --> 01:10:39,915
A developer, if you give them the opportunity to build

1172
01:10:40,256 --> 01:10:44,635
a studio and get the same discount of the same

1173
01:10:44,635 --> 01:10:47,675
rebate as he would if he builds a one bedroom,

1174
01:10:47,675 --> 01:10:48,955
I think we're going to see a lot more of

1175
01:10:48,995 --> 01:10:56,315
those. So I would, you know, maybe look at having

1176
01:10:56,355 --> 01:10:59,889
a studio one and then two. Or two plus, whatever

1177
01:10:59,889 --> 01:11:02,049
that might be, um, but maybe have the one extra

1178
01:11:02,150 --> 01:11:07,050
tier in there. Just to level out the benefit and

1179
01:11:07,050 --> 01:11:11,997
the incentive. Other than that, very happy with this. I

1180
01:11:12,018 --> 01:11:16,157
think I was really happy to see the front end.

1181
01:11:17,733 --> 01:11:20,912
Again, I know a lot of funding applications are already

1182
01:11:20,952 --> 01:11:23,968
looking for shovel ready. But when you talk to the

1183
01:11:23,968 --> 01:11:26,528
providers, that's, I mean, it's a big chunk of money

1184
01:11:26,528 --> 01:11:29,542
to get a shovel ready project. Especially anything in a

1185
01:11:29,582 --> 01:11:32,742
multifamily. You know, you're probably upwards close to 200, 000

1186
01:11:32,782 --> 01:11:35,782
dollars to be truly shovel ready. So anything we can

1187
01:11:35,822 --> 01:11:39,302
do to support that and help them and their applications,

1188
01:11:39,302 --> 01:11:42,262
um, I like that as well. So well done. Those

1189
01:11:42,302 --> 01:11:48,093
are my only comments. Thank you. Thanks Mr. Mayor and

1190
01:11:48,514 --> 01:11:53,213
I'll be quick. Excellent report. Similar sentiment to councillor freezen.

1191
01:11:53,213 --> 01:11:56,173
I'd like to see a studio one bedroom, two bedroom.

1192
01:11:56,173 --> 01:11:57,773
I think if we have that option for studio, we're

1193
01:11:57,773 --> 01:11:59,853
just going to see so many studios. And the one

1194
01:11:59,893 --> 01:12:03,053
bedroom is nice, especially with the lack of transit that

1195
01:12:03,154 --> 01:12:04,973
is actually on this side of the bridge. So it'd

1196
01:12:04,973 --> 01:12:06,973
be nice for people to have a one bedroom and

1197
01:12:07,013 --> 01:12:11,554
or break it down. Thank you. Councillor Johnson. Thank you

1198
01:12:11,594 --> 01:12:15,314
Mr. Mayor. Yeah. Very supportive of this program. The only

1199
01:12:15,655 --> 01:12:18,754
question I have is, um, and it's, it's likely that

1200
01:12:18,935 --> 01:12:22,274
anyone, any uptake on this, um, opportunity will be in

1201
01:12:22,375 --> 01:12:25,954
our West Vancoverance Centre. Um, but I was wondering about

1202
01:12:26,615 --> 01:12:30,034
whether or not we should actually restrict the incentive to

1203
01:12:30,055 --> 01:12:31,954
our West Bankerben Centre. And the reason I say that

1204
01:12:31,975 --> 01:12:35,394
is, um, you know, this is an opportunity where using

1205
01:12:35,495 --> 01:12:40,834
to drive and help further incentivize the creation of affordable

1206
01:12:40,874 --> 01:12:43,794
units and where we actually want affordable units is where

1207
01:12:43,815 --> 01:12:47,234
pedestrian, um, you know, it was possible to be more

1208
01:12:47,255 --> 01:12:51,714
pedestrian oriented in your living. And also when you think

1209
01:12:51,754 --> 01:12:54,834
about our town centre as we're in the midst of

1210
01:12:54,874 --> 01:12:58,354
conversations about revitalizing it, um, you need to create the

1211
01:12:58,375 --> 01:13:01,554
tipping point of, you know, whatever that critical mass is

1212
01:13:01,895 --> 01:13:05,394
of, of residential base to kind of begin to make

1213
01:13:05,495 --> 01:13:10,274
commercial opportunities feel like they're more accessible, like businesses can

1214
01:13:10,314 --> 01:13:14,274
come in and thrive. And so I, I, I, upon,

1215
01:13:14,314 --> 01:13:17,394
pondering this this weekend, I thought it might be a

1216
01:13:17,394 --> 01:13:20,914
good idea for us to try to use this incentive

1217
01:13:20,954 --> 01:13:23,634
to drive winds in other areas as well with other

1218
01:13:23,655 --> 01:13:26,354
initiatives we have. And so I wonder how council feels

1219
01:13:26,375 --> 01:13:27,874
about it. But I certainly would like to see this

1220
01:13:28,615 --> 01:13:31,954
focused on our West Bankerben Centre, which is where we

1221
01:13:31,954 --> 01:13:34,674
need the development most. Um, we all want to protect

1222
01:13:35,335 --> 01:13:38,594
and preserve the integrity of our neighbourhoods. And we want

1223
01:13:38,594 --> 01:13:39,874
to grow, but we want to grow in the right

1224
01:13:39,914 --> 01:13:42,274
areas. And I think town centre is where we need

1225
01:13:42,295 --> 01:13:47,234
it most. So I'll throw that to council. Councillor Young.

1226
01:13:47,234 --> 01:13:48,834
Yeah, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Let's put emotional on the

1227
01:13:48,834 --> 01:13:51,394
table. I moved staff's full recommendations. All right. Thank you.

1228
01:13:52,107 --> 01:13:56,996
And second it. S for the discussion.

1229
01:14:02,674 --> 01:14:07,533
Council Johnson. So in light of my previous remarks, does

1230
01:14:07,554 --> 01:14:10,573
this grant then apply to any area of the community.

1231
01:14:12,376 --> 01:14:16,195
Yeah. Um, through the chair, as Councillor Johnson, so yeah,

1232
01:14:16,235 --> 01:14:18,815
currently as it is designed, it would be open, um,

1233
01:14:18,936 --> 01:14:22,835
to all neighbourhoods. Um, end urban centres in the community.

1234
01:14:23,208 --> 01:14:26,747
Okay. Um, I guess to those that have moved, is

1235
01:14:26,968 --> 01:14:30,627
there willingness for friendly amendment to isolate the incentive to

1236
01:14:31,048 --> 01:14:37,346
West Bank Centre. All right. At this point for the

1237
01:14:37,346 --> 01:14:39,186
sake of the motion, I'm going to start with just

1238
01:14:39,207 --> 01:14:43,746
West Bankerbin Centre because Bushre Centre is not yet at

1239
01:14:43,746 --> 01:14:47,026
the present moment in the position that, uh, West Bank

1240
01:14:47,047 --> 01:14:51,006
Urban Centre is to capitalize on commercial opportunity. So, um,

1241
01:14:51,527 --> 01:14:55,026
if the willingness, can we add a further that and

1242
01:14:55,026 --> 01:14:59,346
that the incentive be concentrated to West Bank Urban Centre.

1243
01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:05,219
Mr. Mayor, I just want to be clear on Council's

1244
01:15:05,259 --> 01:15:08,339
intent. Is the intent to concentrate it there or to

1245
01:15:08,339 --> 01:15:11,699
restrict it there? Restrict. Okay. So I would just maybe

1246
01:15:11,739 --> 01:15:14,339
say Mr. Mayor then, you know, subject to input from

1247
01:15:14,440 --> 01:15:17,699
planning staff. They counseled direct staff to implement the Affordable

1248
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:21,619
Housing Pilot Grant Program allocating the 1. 2 million from

1249
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,739
half funding towards development in the West Bank Urban Centre.

1250
01:15:25,228 --> 01:15:27,007
Keep the rest as is. But I don't know if

1251
01:15:27,007 --> 01:15:30,167
that's workable from. I'll turn over to Mr. Maiden. Thank

1252
01:15:30,167 --> 01:15:35,718
you. Mr. Magnum. Thank you Mr. Brownston. Um, my comment's

1253
01:15:35,718 --> 01:15:40,038
not on Mr. Panetton's the wording. It's more and I'm

1254
01:15:40,038 --> 01:15:44,118
sure Ms. Clark is probably thinking this already. As council

1255
01:15:44,139 --> 01:15:47,318
makes this decision, keep in mind that the half numbers

1256
01:15:47,358 --> 01:15:50,046
that we're trying to achieve. And our ability to reach

1257
01:15:50,067 --> 01:15:53,006
those half numbers are based on whether or not we

1258
01:15:53,027 --> 01:15:56,606
have projects. So the more we restrict the area that

1259
01:15:56,646 --> 01:15:59,963
this may or may not occur in. The lower the

1260
01:15:59,963 --> 01:16:02,043
chances are that we're going to actually achieve those half

1261
01:16:02,083 --> 01:16:05,083
numbers and realise the full amounts of the half dollars.

1262
01:16:05,083 --> 01:16:08,663
So Ms. Clark, if you want to add or, um,

1263
01:16:08,784 --> 01:16:10,763
subtract from that in any form, please do, but I

1264
01:16:10,803 --> 01:16:13,403
sense that there's, there's part of the decision should rely

1265
01:16:13,443 --> 01:16:17,003
on that information. Yeah. And I'm comfortable with the way

1266
01:16:17,043 --> 01:16:20,003
that I've, um, crafted this part of the motion. If

1267
01:16:20,003 --> 01:16:22,123
it's going to be accepted by Council or not, it's

1268
01:16:22,123 --> 01:16:24,323
up to council. You know, cause I do want to

1269
01:16:24,323 --> 01:16:27,403
make sure that we're growing, um, in the best way

1270
01:16:27,424 --> 01:16:30,843
possible, not just at all costs. So I think for

1271
01:16:30,843 --> 01:16:32,763
me, that's the intent behind it is let's put it

1272
01:16:32,803 --> 01:16:37,881
where it's needed most. Of it. Yeah. Uh, well, I

1273
01:16:37,881 --> 01:16:39,761
don't know. I think it has it been incorporated into

1274
01:16:39,801 --> 01:16:42,801
the existing motion. As long as the mover in secondary

1275
01:16:42,801 --> 01:16:45,041
are happy with it as a friendly amendment, then yes,

1276
01:16:45,081 --> 01:16:46,481
if not, it can go to a vote as an

1277
01:16:46,481 --> 01:16:49,779
amendment motion. Yeah. I think I'd rather see it as

1278
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:53,821
a separate. Separate that, because I personally wouldn't be in

1279
01:16:53,861 --> 01:17:01,187
favor. I'd like to speak to it. Yeah. So we're

1280
01:17:01,448 --> 01:17:04,547
still maintaining the, uh, the motion that's on the table.

1281
01:17:06,048 --> 01:17:13,193
Council, please. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, yeah, I, I

1282
01:17:13,294 --> 01:17:17,433
understand where Councillor Johnson's going with that and to a

1283
01:17:17,433 --> 01:17:22,319
degree, I agree with it. But I'm not in a

1284
01:17:22,319 --> 01:17:25,868
position where I would say West Bankerben Centre only. I

1285
01:17:25,868 --> 01:17:29,228
think we have opportunities in some of our neighbourhood centres.

1286
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:36,449
To increase affordable housing. Um, and as well as Bouchery,

1287
01:17:36,449 --> 01:17:40,929
uh, you know, there's been some over time, we've seen

1288
01:17:40,929 --> 01:17:44,129
some proposals in Bushri Centre already. And I think that

1289
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:47,090
we have to explore that as well. So. Um, I

1290
01:17:47,271 --> 01:17:51,810
wouldn't be prepared to support town centre only. One question

1291
01:17:51,850 --> 01:17:55,410
I did have though, is that do we, within the

1292
01:17:55,431 --> 01:17:59,330
guidelines, is there a minimum number of units that have

1293
01:17:59,330 --> 01:18:04,023
to be developed. Uh, in order to be eligible for

1294
01:18:04,044 --> 01:18:09,938
any of the funding. Thank you, through the mayor, Councillor

1295
01:18:10,039 --> 01:18:13,938
Prison. So, um, yes. So, um, there is a minimum

1296
01:18:14,119 --> 01:18:16,898
that a project must have at least six units in

1297
01:18:16,898 --> 01:18:20,778
order to be. Six to six units in order to,

1298
01:18:20,778 --> 01:18:25,381
um, apply. Okay. We are able to adapt that number.

1299
01:18:25,642 --> 01:18:29,701
So that, that could even apply in our PU1 zone

1300
01:18:29,722 --> 01:18:31,781
correct. Are we allowed six units in the RP one.

1301
01:18:34,834 --> 01:18:39,959
An RP one, sorry? Yeah. Under the residential plexus should

1302
01:18:39,999 --> 01:18:42,759
be four units. That's maximum four. Okay. So this would

1303
01:18:42,759 --> 01:18:46,919
have to be six. I mean, I'd be willing to

1304
01:18:46,940 --> 01:18:51,159
consider a minimum there, but, uh, you know, for today,

1305
01:18:51,159 --> 01:18:53,399
um, you know, if we can get, if somebody can

1306
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:56,279
get funding for that to support it and put up,

1307
01:18:56,279 --> 01:18:58,279
you know, minimum six plugs or 12 bucks or something

1308
01:18:58,279 --> 01:19:01,239
like that. I'm okay with that. Um, but yeah, no,

1309
01:19:01,239 --> 01:19:04,039
going back to the other comment, I wouldn't support just

1310
01:19:04,300 --> 01:19:06,999
the town centre. I think we have opportunity in other

1311
01:19:07,020 --> 01:19:11,299
places as well. Um, but the balance of this, I'm

1312
01:19:11,299 --> 01:19:14,913
happy to support. You. Okay. Thank you for those comments.

1313
01:19:14,913 --> 01:19:19,884
Council De Silva. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Similar, I appreciate

1314
01:19:20,225 --> 01:19:23,644
the sentiment, but without additional information, I would be uncomfortable,

1315
01:19:23,644 --> 01:19:28,684
um, arbitrarily voting to, um, restrict to a town centre

1316
01:19:28,705 --> 01:19:31,724
without seeing any kind of debt around how that would

1317
01:19:31,745 --> 01:19:35,964
affect our current end stream. So if, uh, if council

1318
01:19:36,004 --> 01:19:38,444
is going to put that recommendation on the floor, I'd

1319
01:19:38,484 --> 01:19:40,124
appreciate if it was a separate that we could vote

1320
01:19:40,164 --> 01:19:43,561
on. Thank you. And that's the case. We're just considering

1321
01:19:44,462 --> 01:19:47,509
what's in front of us right now. Any further discussion?

1322
01:19:47,509 --> 01:19:50,175
I'll call for the vote. It's not. All in favor.

1323
01:19:51,833 --> 01:19:55,972
Posed. That's in front of us. Yeah. Okay. So let's

1324
01:19:55,993 --> 01:20:00,104
do that again. All in favor. Pose, none of those,

1325
01:20:00,104 --> 01:20:05,434
I motions carry. That's in front of us here. Was

1326
01:20:05,434 --> 01:20:07,514
there a want for the wording as a separate motion?

1327
01:20:07,535 --> 01:20:11,754
Cause I have that. If the, uh, that the Affordable

1328
01:20:11,935 --> 01:20:16,394
Housing Pilot, uh, grant program, uh, funding, we restricted to

1329
01:20:16,434 --> 01:20:25,412
development in the West Bank town centre. Council Meal, sir.

1330
01:20:25,756 --> 01:20:29,015
I'm just curious if Councillor Johnson would reconsider Bushri Urban

1331
01:20:29,055 --> 01:20:31,815
Centre at in West Bank Urben Centre in Bush rearbencenter.

1332
01:20:31,815 --> 01:20:33,575
So we could at least have both urban centres be

1333
01:20:33,575 --> 01:20:36,368
part of it. That would put me over to Coden

1334
01:20:36,368 --> 01:20:42,148
Biver. That. Council Johnson. Yeah. Thank you Mr. Milsep. You

1335
01:20:42,148 --> 01:20:45,108
know what, I would, I would, uh, yeah, I will

1336
01:20:46,249 --> 01:20:51,127
alterate being that they're both. Urban centres in ROCP. I

1337
01:20:51,127 --> 01:20:53,767
think that's reasonable. I would be open to that amendment.

1338
01:20:55,484 --> 01:20:57,783
Or to amending it and confirming the secretary. It's okay

1339
01:20:57,823 --> 01:21:02,484
with the friendly amendment. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So,

1340
01:21:02,484 --> 01:21:05,204
uh, I'll speak to it. Uh, so what if the

1341
01:21:05,305 --> 01:21:08,724
opportunity for fourth housing in a neighbourhood centre that is

1342
01:21:08,745 --> 01:21:14,278
not included in West Bank Centre, Busher Centre. That's my

1343
01:21:14,278 --> 01:21:18,272
question. I don't, uh, I don't think there'd be beneficial

1344
01:21:18,453 --> 01:21:20,752
to restricted at this time. If we have opportunity for

1345
01:21:20,853 --> 01:21:25,312
affordable housing in our community, uh, should be supported. Councillor

1346
01:21:25,352 --> 01:21:29,311
Johnson. Do you want. Me to answer? It's up to

1347
01:21:29,332 --> 01:21:32,222
you. Sir. I thought I'd say your name was here.

1348
01:21:33,809 --> 01:21:36,268
Here you go. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And yeah, for

1349
01:21:36,289 --> 01:21:39,548
me, it would just be, you know, I remember this

1350
01:21:39,548 --> 01:21:41,788
was a time before I was on council, but there

1351
01:21:41,788 --> 01:21:45,628
was, uh, DCC incentivization that was issued by this council

1352
01:21:46,049 --> 01:21:49,948
prior to my time. And it was specifically for the

1353
01:21:49,988 --> 01:21:53,708
urban centre because the intent often of incentivization is to

1354
01:21:53,969 --> 01:21:57,788
drive it to a targeted, um, location. Um, and again,

1355
01:21:57,828 --> 01:22:01,148
I just think we're offering funds that yes, are coming

1356
01:22:01,148 --> 01:22:04,428
through a grant, but have the ability to accomplish more

1357
01:22:04,449 --> 01:22:07,708
than just creating housing. It has the opportunity to put

1358
01:22:07,748 --> 01:22:10,428
it in the right location where people can have access

1359
01:22:10,428 --> 01:22:15,468
to transportation, pedestrian friendly amenities. And again, adding to the

1360
01:22:15,569 --> 01:22:19,308
residential base downtown, which helps businesses thrive and become more

1361
01:22:19,348 --> 01:22:22,508
successful and viable too, when it comes to attracting new

1362
01:22:22,609 --> 01:22:26,028
business opportunities. So that's the, sort of that's the desire

1363
01:22:26,369 --> 01:22:29,213
or sort of the purpose behind it. Great. Thank you.

1364
01:22:29,234 --> 01:22:32,813
Thank you. Councillor Diane. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and

1365
01:22:32,853 --> 01:22:35,133
being someone like yourself. I do believe who were at

1366
01:22:35,173 --> 01:22:38,733
this table during that DCC incentive period. That was exactly

1367
01:22:39,314 --> 01:22:42,573
the rationale. And I supported that. And for the same

1368
01:22:42,594 --> 01:22:45,693
rationalized support this, this is not an opportunity to deny

1369
01:22:46,514 --> 01:22:49,133
this as an opportunity to influence where some of that

1370
01:22:49,394 --> 01:22:52,293
affordable housing and infill will happen within the community. So

1371
01:22:52,594 --> 01:22:56,733
why would we not try to encourage it to go

1372
01:22:56,994 --> 01:23:00,573
in those urban centres? That to me is just logical.

1373
01:23:00,573 --> 01:23:03,373
So I happily support this today. Let's have an influence

1374
01:23:03,413 --> 01:23:10,035
here. Thank you. Council Freezen. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And

1375
01:23:10,035 --> 01:23:11,235
I think we were going to go around this many

1376
01:23:11,235 --> 01:23:15,872
times on this one. Um, you know, yeah, surprise. I

1377
01:23:15,912 --> 01:23:18,512
get that. I think we can't lose sight of the

1378
01:23:18,552 --> 01:23:22,112
fact though that the half funding, we have targets that

1379
01:23:22,152 --> 01:23:27,066
we need to hit. Otherwise, we forgo another fair chunk

1380
01:23:27,167 --> 01:23:32,287
of money. Or potential funding in the last tranche of

1381
01:23:32,327 --> 01:23:35,567
the half program. That we can't afford to give up.

1382
01:23:36,427 --> 01:23:39,526
Um, and so my concern is that if we restricted

1383
01:23:39,566 --> 01:23:42,806
to those two centres, the cost of developing, they have

1384
01:23:42,806 --> 01:23:46,386
to be much bigger. And the larger the project, the

1385
01:23:46,427 --> 01:23:51,123
smaller this benefit becomes. And so, you know, in an

1386
01:23:51,123 --> 01:23:53,283
effort to, I think we have, sorry, I can't remember

1387
01:23:53,323 --> 01:23:59,203
the number 114 or 170, what was it, 104. Yeah.

1388
01:23:59,384 --> 01:24:03,534
114 units by the end of next year. Um, the

1389
01:24:03,555 --> 01:24:06,894
reality is if we're going to start seeing big projects,

1390
01:24:06,915 --> 01:24:09,054
they're not going to be building permit ready by the

1391
01:24:09,054 --> 01:24:10,414
end of next year. And those are the ones we

1392
01:24:10,435 --> 01:24:15,854
want in the downtown core. Um, so while I, and

1393
01:24:15,894 --> 01:24:17,934
would love to see us, you know, in larger projects,

1394
01:24:18,035 --> 01:24:20,334
push them into the town, the town centres for all

1395
01:24:20,334 --> 01:24:24,254
the reasons that Councillor Johnson has outlined, um, I just

1396
01:24:24,294 --> 01:24:27,476
don't think this is the one to do it. Because

1397
01:24:27,476 --> 01:24:30,356
we have a very limited window here in order for

1398
01:24:30,396 --> 01:24:33,476
us to meet targets and goals. And to get those

1399
01:24:33,497 --> 01:24:37,316
large projects that we're looking for in those centres, they're

1400
01:24:37,316 --> 01:24:38,516
going to take a lot longer than a year to

1401
01:24:38,556 --> 01:24:41,716
get there. So that would be my rationale for saying

1402
01:24:42,297 --> 01:24:46,996
no. And that's why I won't vote for that today.

1403
01:24:46,996 --> 01:24:49,796
Uh, I won't support that motion because the bigger picture

1404
01:24:49,817 --> 01:24:52,365
here. And we won't be able to hit that unless

1405
01:24:52,386 --> 01:24:57,959
we, unless we open it up, I think. Councillor Johnson.

1406
01:24:57,959 --> 01:25:01,239
Yeah. Just one comment on that. And I agree. Like,

1407
01:25:01,239 --> 01:25:03,159
but as far as needing the units, I mean, we

1408
01:25:03,420 --> 01:25:06,762
are being, you know. Held underwater as far as doing

1409
01:25:06,802 --> 01:25:09,082
that as well. Right. So we're, we're being told to

1410
01:25:09,082 --> 01:25:12,442
build regardless of whether the market or the, the developer

1411
01:25:12,543 --> 01:25:14,882
willing to invest the money. And if we're going to

1412
01:25:15,023 --> 01:25:19,122
achieve a unit count like that, it's only going to

1413
01:25:19,122 --> 01:25:22,342
happen by way of larger projects, not onesie, twosies. And

1414
01:25:22,342 --> 01:25:25,322
people aren't, the uptake on the little onesie two Zs.

1415
01:25:25,322 --> 01:25:28,602
That's why we have our predevelopment or pre approved building

1416
01:25:28,642 --> 01:25:31,642
designs. That's why the uptake. That's why Kelona in years

1417
01:25:31,663 --> 01:25:35,562
has had virtually no uptake because it's just, it doesn't,

1418
01:25:35,562 --> 01:25:40,842
it doesn't work. Um, so anyhow, uh, rationale, I guess

1419
01:25:40,882 --> 01:25:47,787
I'll leave it to you, Mr. Mayor. What's the motion?

1420
01:25:47,808 --> 01:25:50,267
Uh, so the motion is, uh, that the Affordable housing

1421
01:25:50,288 --> 01:25:53,467
pilot grant program, uh, funds be restricted to development in

1422
01:25:53,467 --> 01:25:56,587
the West Bank town centre and bushery centre with that

1423
01:25:56,627 --> 01:25:59,547
friendly amendment. Thank you. Just no further discussion. We'll vote

1424
01:25:59,547 --> 01:26:05,248
on it. So all in favor. The opposed. Okay. So

1425
01:26:05,589 --> 01:26:09,488
oppose it's the motion's carried. But it poses as Councillor

1426
01:26:09,589 --> 01:26:15,719
Silva and myself and Council President. Okay. So thank you

1427
01:26:15,719 --> 01:26:18,129
very much. We're going to go on to the next

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01:26:18,230 --> 01:26:23,505
item on the age. Sir. Excuse me. Sure. Council, if

1429
01:26:23,505 --> 01:26:26,501
I've been a pranks good for everyone. Okay. We're going

1430
01:26:26,501 --> 01:26:27,621
to have a five minute break.

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01:27:06,101 --> 01:27:09,766
Good to go, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Well, thank you

1432
01:27:09,766 --> 01:27:13,446
very much. Welcome back to the Regular Council meeting of

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01:27:13,486 --> 01:27:16,166
the City West Clone. Again, today's date is Tuesday, August

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01:27:16,187 --> 01:27:20,486
25th, and we're just back from our recess, and we're

1435
01:27:20,587 --> 01:27:24,546
under division reports on the agenda at 9. 3, Mr.

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01:27:24,546 --> 01:27:27,446
Penitent. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 9. 3 is the Chief

1437
01:27:27,467 --> 01:27:29,906
Administrative Officer Performance Management Policy. This is one of the

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01:27:29,906 --> 01:27:34,726
policies that counsel asked to be updated. Previously administrative policy.

1439
01:27:34,726 --> 01:27:36,406
Now a Council Policy, and I'll turn over to Mr.

1440
01:27:36,427 --> 01:27:39,126
Bowl as if he has any comments or questions available

1441
01:27:39,166 --> 01:27:42,174
for questions. Thank you. Mr. Bose, you are shipped nothing

1442
01:27:42,195 --> 01:27:46,014
really, Dad. Council just went through the process, so you

1443
01:27:46,014 --> 01:27:47,454
know the drill, they just tried to put it inwards.

1444
01:27:54,900 --> 01:27:59,947
Any comments at all? You move it to we have

1445
01:27:59,947 --> 01:28:05,758
a secondary. It's been seconded as well. You know, just

1446
01:28:05,758 --> 01:28:09,811
check in with council. Any discussion at all? Okay, so

1447
01:28:09,832 --> 01:28:15,376
all in favor. None opposed, a motion is carried. We're

1448
01:28:15,416 --> 01:28:18,769
at 9. 4. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 9. 4 is

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01:28:18,809 --> 01:28:23,409
the Councillor Muneration, expense and benefits bylaw, and this is

1450
01:28:23,409 --> 01:28:25,329
a follow - up from direction that council gave of

1451
01:28:25,329 --> 01:28:28,449
the previous council meeting to codify the recommendations from the

1452
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:31,809
remuneration task force and put into Bylaw Forum. So that's

1453
01:28:31,849 --> 01:28:34,209
in front of council for three readings, and Ms. Palmer

1454
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:38,567
is available with council's questions on that. Thank you. Right,

1455
01:28:38,607 --> 01:28:41,367
we had quite a discussion on this in the past,

1456
01:28:41,367 --> 01:28:46,245
I believe. So it's Willow Council. Well, let's get on

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01:28:46,245 --> 01:28:50,725
the table. We have a motion to get on tables,

1458
01:28:50,725 --> 01:28:54,522
move second. Okay, and we can open up our discussion.

1459
01:28:54,522 --> 01:29:01,846
Any questions. At Council may have. Council Present. Thank you,

1460
01:29:01,886 --> 01:29:06,926
Mr. Mayor. You know, in the last council meeting, or

1461
01:29:06,926 --> 01:29:08,800
the last time, this was in front of us. I

1462
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:14,960
did have concerns over the way, the justification, or I

1463
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:20,279
should say, the references that were being used. And so

1464
01:29:20,460 --> 01:29:25,448
I did vote against it. Today, I still have those

1465
01:29:25,549 --> 01:29:33,208
concerns. That being said, I'm not opposed to the values.

1466
01:29:33,208 --> 01:29:35,128
It was really the principle behind how we got there.

1467
01:29:36,342 --> 01:29:40,161
So for today, I will support it because I'm not

1468
01:29:40,161 --> 01:29:43,921
against the values, but I did not like the way

1469
01:29:43,961 --> 01:29:49,837
it was done. And I don't think the remuneration is.

1470
01:29:50,796 --> 01:29:56,159
Out of line. So, although I did vote against it,

1471
01:29:56,159 --> 01:29:57,879
or I had comments against it the first time, I

1472
01:29:57,879 --> 01:30:00,439
guess we didn't vote, because it was a first, or

1473
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:04,102
this is first, second, third. But, you know, I don't

1474
01:30:04,102 --> 01:30:06,322
think I've seen any changes in this one, and I'm

1475
01:30:06,362 --> 01:30:08,642
okay with the values, but I didn't want to comment

1476
01:30:08,682 --> 01:30:13,808
on that. Thanks for those comments. Staff could take those

1477
01:30:13,909 --> 01:30:17,168
comments that you're referring to, that your concerns, and consider

1478
01:30:17,168 --> 01:30:21,248
that when perhaps the policy is reviewed next time around.

1479
01:30:23,205 --> 01:30:26,624
Council Young. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Last time had similar

1480
01:30:26,664 --> 01:30:29,904
concerns about the benchmarks that were being used. I still

1481
01:30:29,904 --> 01:30:34,384
have those concerns, and I do believe those concerns. The

1482
01:30:34,405 --> 01:30:36,864
benchmarks you choose can have a profound impact on the

1483
01:30:36,904 --> 01:30:39,824
numbers, and I do believe that's the case here. I

1484
01:30:39,824 --> 01:30:43,824
think the benchmarks were not selected as well as they

1485
01:30:43,824 --> 01:30:49,024
could have by the process, and I don't accept the

1486
01:30:49,064 --> 01:30:51,504
numbers out of that, because so I will not be

1487
01:30:51,504 --> 01:30:55,466
supporting this today. I'm going to be consistent. Thanks to

1488
01:30:55,466 --> 01:31:00,234
your comments. Okay, so we, I'll call a question. All

1489
01:31:00,234 --> 01:31:05,844
in favor. Owes is cancer young, but the emotion passes.

1490
01:31:07,225 --> 01:31:12,125
9. 5, Mr. Penderton. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 9. 5

1491
01:31:12,165 --> 01:31:15,085
is the contract award request for powers, Creek, water treatment.

1492
01:31:15,638 --> 01:31:21,206
Diversion structure. And I believe that the engineering manager is

1493
01:31:21,206 --> 01:31:24,006
available. I don't know if there's a presentation or just

1494
01:31:24,046 --> 01:31:30,334
for questions. If the questions of counsel, thank you. Okay,

1495
01:31:30,355 --> 01:31:35,054
so let's have any questions for from council to staff.

1496
01:31:36,702 --> 01:31:41,081
Council John. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I appreciate we're

1497
01:31:41,081 --> 01:31:43,801
not red debating a budget line of them that was

1498
01:31:43,801 --> 01:31:49,652
decided much earlier. But I'm noticing as we're awarding this.

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01:31:49,652 --> 01:31:51,492
Does it say in here where those monies are going

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01:31:51,492 --> 01:31:57,663
to come from in the recommendation? With the motion? When.

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01:31:58,201 --> 01:32:01,140
We're spending money, even if we're just awarding a tender,

1502
01:32:01,140 --> 01:32:02,340
it still will be nice to say in the motion

1503
01:32:02,361 --> 01:32:04,260
where the monies are coming from. As per the budget

1504
01:32:04,361 --> 01:32:10,214
that was already decided. Through the mayor's noted within the

1505
01:32:10,315 --> 01:32:13,574
motion, but it's noted within the financial section of the

1506
01:32:13,574 --> 01:32:16,637
report. It could it be noted in the motion. That's

1507
01:32:16,637 --> 01:32:19,437
what exists after this is done, right? So if it

1508
01:32:19,437 --> 01:32:20,717
can be noted in the motion that this is being

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01:32:20,757 --> 01:32:23,117
funded through the water utility or wherever the funds are

1510
01:32:23,157 --> 01:32:25,597
coming from, to me, it's just a good, that's mentioned

1511
01:32:25,637 --> 01:32:29,536
practice to capture that in the motion. So if that

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01:32:29,536 --> 01:32:32,336
could be corrected, I'd be quite happy.

1513
01:32:49,946 --> 01:32:52,565
Mr. Mayor, I'll just defer to perhaps going to see

1514
01:32:52,605 --> 01:32:57,525
Vashyair, Mr. Predacante. My read of the very quick reed

1515
01:32:57,525 --> 01:32:58,645
of the Council Report is that it's coming from the

1516
01:32:58,685 --> 01:33:02,269
Capitol budget. But if there's any more specificity as to

1517
01:33:02,269 --> 01:33:04,589
where that's coming from, that would be helpful for just

1518
01:33:04,589 --> 01:33:09,602
updating the motion. That's. Part of this. As per the

1519
01:33:09,642 --> 01:33:13,797
cap. Capital budget, okay. Yeah, so we can have that

1520
01:33:13,978 --> 01:33:16,197
added to the motion? Yes, as rare. So I'll just

1521
01:33:16,237 --> 01:33:21,557
add in the amount of the 567, 607 dollars excluding

1522
01:33:21,578 --> 01:33:26,403
GST from the capital budget. Okay, thank you. Second note

1523
01:33:26,443 --> 01:33:32,454
as well. Any further discussion? All in favor. None opposed

1524
01:33:32,715 --> 01:33:37,767
at motion passed. Okay, next on the agenda is 9.

1525
01:33:37,807 --> 01:33:40,807
6. Mr. Mayor, 9. 6 is recreation and culture, fees

1526
01:33:40,807 --> 01:33:44,887
and charges of amendment by law. Number 00028. 88, 2026.

1527
01:33:46,100 --> 01:33:49,039
And I'm just going to... It's for adoption. Thank you,

1528
01:33:49,039 --> 01:33:54,326
Mr. Mayor. It's been moved. Secondary as well, any discussion.

1529
01:33:55,828 --> 01:34:02,676
All in favor. Both unopposed emotions carry. Okay, and then

1530
01:34:02,697 --> 01:34:07,316
we're at 9. 7. Thank you, Mr. Barrett. 9. 7

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01:34:07,337 --> 01:34:10,036
is the map bouchery community centre child Care Operating Agreement.

1532
01:34:10,423 --> 01:34:13,886
And I'll turn over to Mr. Goodwin. Thank you. Welcome

1533
01:34:13,926 --> 01:34:20,375
back, Mr. Goodwin. Good evening, Mayor Council. So the purpose

1534
01:34:20,556 --> 01:34:24,426
of today's report. Is to seek council's approval to execute

1535
01:34:24,447 --> 01:34:29,477
the childcare operating agreement. With the Okanagan Boys and Girls

1536
01:34:29,517 --> 01:34:37,538
Club. For the newly renovated Mount Bouchery Community Centre. Just

1537
01:34:37,578 --> 01:34:42,178
a little background. So once this building is completed, the

1538
01:34:42,279 --> 01:34:47,712
facility will become a joint use facility providing childcare. Community

1539
01:34:47,733 --> 01:34:54,092
programming, and rental space opportunities. To assist the funding, uh,

1540
01:34:54,293 --> 01:34:58,832
the city applied to the childcare BC's newspace is fun,

1541
01:34:58,832 --> 01:35:02,272
and was successful at receiving 3. 6 million dollars. The

1542
01:35:02,373 --> 01:35:06,432
application was submitted in partnership with the Okanagan Boys and

1543
01:35:06,432 --> 01:35:11,958
Girls Club. And a condition of that grand funding is

1544
01:35:11,998 --> 01:35:14,438
for the city to provide childcare services for the next

1545
01:35:14,619 --> 01:35:19,638
20 years. So executing this agreement would help assist with.

1546
01:35:20,254 --> 01:35:26,868
Obligation. Very high level on some terms associated with the

1547
01:35:26,969 --> 01:35:29,268
agreement. So the term is for five - year term.

1548
01:35:30,232 --> 01:35:38,121
Starts January 1st of 2027, expiring August 31. 2032. The

1549
01:35:38,222 --> 01:35:41,721
reason expiring in August is elected follow the school year

1550
01:35:42,062 --> 01:35:49,295
calendar. In regards to payment, we are proposing a one

1551
01:35:49,295 --> 01:35:52,575
- dollar occupancy for the entire term. However, the society

1552
01:35:52,615 --> 01:35:56,495
would be responsible to pay for their fair share of

1553
01:35:56,535 --> 01:36:03,057
the operating cost. That estimate based on what. We estimate

1554
01:36:03,097 --> 01:36:08,376
for the 2027 budget is about 54, 000 dollars. Per

1555
01:36:08,376 --> 01:36:11,573
year. When it comes to day - to - day

1556
01:36:11,674 --> 01:36:15,573
responsibilities, the society is responsible to manage all things childcare

1557
01:36:15,594 --> 01:36:20,655
services. They must provide the childcare spaces as identified in

1558
01:36:20,676 --> 01:36:25,145
our grant application. And they must also obtain all their

1559
01:36:25,246 --> 01:36:31,650
FIX furniture equipment and fixtures for their space. Repair maintenance

1560
01:36:31,671 --> 01:36:33,970
will be done by the city. This also would include

1561
01:36:34,391 --> 01:36:40,389
all custodial services. And then as far as use of

1562
01:36:40,570 --> 01:36:43,249
the space is broken down into three different spaces, and

1563
01:36:43,249 --> 01:36:48,071
we'll show that on this facility map here. So what

1564
01:36:48,111 --> 01:36:50,791
you see in red, and this is a general high

1565
01:36:50,812 --> 01:36:55,624
- level. Overview map of the space. That is the

1566
01:36:56,125 --> 01:37:00,184
society's exclusive space. This is where the permanent childcare space

1567
01:37:00,224 --> 01:37:04,081
will be. What you see in blue, dot is the

1568
01:37:04,182 --> 01:37:07,353
city administration space, as well as our server room. So

1569
01:37:07,393 --> 01:37:11,113
we'll have exclusive use of those spaces. And everything in

1570
01:37:11,113 --> 01:37:15,600
green is what this joint use space is for. The

1571
01:37:15,861 --> 01:37:21,360
joint use Monday through Friday, you'll be used for childcare

1572
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,720
services between the hours of 1. 30 and 6. 30

1573
01:37:24,741 --> 01:37:30,800
p. m. All other hours, mornings, evenings, and weekends. It's

1574
01:37:30,821 --> 01:37:33,583
for city to rent out. To the public, or program

1575
01:37:33,844 --> 01:37:41,700
out, uh, or CSFIT. When we look at the financial

1576
01:37:42,121 --> 01:37:49,060
implications, uh, in 2027, we're predicting or estimating about 178,

1577
01:37:49,081 --> 01:37:53,723
000 dollars for operating budget for the facility. Based on

1578
01:37:55,304 --> 01:37:58,643
the amount of space and time that the society will

1579
01:37:58,683 --> 01:38:04,146
be using the facility. Their share is 30 percent. And

1580
01:38:04,146 --> 01:38:09,508
the City share is 70 percent. And with that, that

1581
01:38:09,508 --> 01:38:12,886
is a summary of this contract. And the background to

1582
01:38:12,886 --> 01:38:18,609
it. Great, thank you very much. Council Young. Thank you,

1583
01:38:18,609 --> 01:38:22,847
Mr. Mayor, through you to Mr. Goodwin. Um, this project

1584
01:38:23,028 --> 01:38:27,087
has been a long time coming, and you've been managing

1585
01:38:27,108 --> 01:38:29,465
it for a while. Uh, well done. This is the

1586
01:38:29,465 --> 01:38:32,205
last piece of the puzzle to come together for this.

1587
01:38:32,205 --> 01:38:36,978
So. Um, I was going to move the motion. And,

1588
01:38:36,978 --> 01:38:39,458
but since the other light going, I'll go ahead. Good,

1589
01:38:39,458 --> 01:38:44,885
I move staff's recommendation. Great, thank you. And it's been

1590
01:38:45,386 --> 01:38:50,959
seconded. Yeah. Council Presen. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and I

1591
01:38:50,959 --> 01:38:53,819
think I just saw my answer in the report, um,

1592
01:38:53,819 --> 01:38:56,079
but maybe you can just speak to it real quick.

1593
01:38:56,079 --> 01:38:58,559
Um, as part of the grant, we have to provide

1594
01:38:58,900 --> 01:39:01,599
licensed child care for 20 years, and this is a

1595
01:39:01,700 --> 01:39:06,696
five - year term. How does that fulfill the grant?

1596
01:39:06,696 --> 01:39:09,736
Is there any risk in only having of five -

1597
01:39:09,736 --> 01:39:12,456
year term at this stage? Or does it have to

1598
01:39:12,456 --> 01:39:14,936
be, and does the 20 years have to be with

1599
01:39:14,976 --> 01:39:17,736
the Okanagan Boys and Girls Club? Or is it just

1600
01:39:17,736 --> 01:39:20,936
have to provide licensed childcare for 20 years? Thank you

1601
01:39:20,976 --> 01:39:23,656
for the question. Through the mayor, it is a five

1602
01:39:23,677 --> 01:39:26,859
- year term. Uh, but we would have to, at

1603
01:39:26,899 --> 01:39:29,179
the end of that five - year term, either renegotiate

1604
01:39:29,219 --> 01:39:32,379
another five - year term. Um, if we can't with

1605
01:39:32,419 --> 01:39:33,739
the boys and girls club, or we have to do

1606
01:39:33,779 --> 01:39:37,019
an RFP, as long as we're providing childcare services out

1607
01:39:37,059 --> 01:39:40,703
of that. For the next 20 years, how we, what

1608
01:39:40,743 --> 01:39:44,063
happens five years, and now we'll determine that in five

1609
01:39:44,063 --> 01:39:47,503
years. Like, yes, we will provide 20 years of childcare

1610
01:39:47,543 --> 01:39:51,110
services out of that building. Okay, well, and I hope

1611
01:39:51,150 --> 01:39:54,390
many more after that. So, um, that was my, that

1612
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:57,179
was my only question. Thank you for the clarification. Kenny,

1613
01:39:57,179 --> 01:40:02,939
further questions? For the discussion, I just points out, made,

1614
01:40:02,939 --> 01:40:04,939
because we all know the great need for childcare spaces

1615
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:09,259
within our community. And we also, we've had an excellent

1616
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:12,699
relationship with the Okanagan Boys and Girl Club between the

1617
01:40:12,739 --> 01:40:16,339
city, and that organisation preferred him for many years. So

1618
01:40:16,339 --> 01:40:21,579
I'm certainly happy to support this agreement, and please to

1619
01:40:21,579 --> 01:40:25,680
see the project moving along. Okay, so all in favor.

1620
01:40:27,096 --> 01:40:36,424
Posed, unopposed, motions carry. Yeah, thank you, Mr. Goodwin. Next

1621
01:40:36,605 --> 01:40:41,144
is 9. 8. And on that, Mr. Mayor, the mound

1622
01:40:41,184 --> 01:40:44,504
bushery community centre restoration, August 2026. Update will also be

1623
01:40:44,544 --> 01:40:49,624
provided by Mr. Goodwin. Thank you. Welcome back. Thank you.

1624
01:40:50,285 --> 01:40:58,664
Thank you. So this is one of many updates that

1625
01:40:58,664 --> 01:41:02,504
we've given to council throughout the construction period. This may

1626
01:41:02,765 --> 01:41:05,784
be one of our last ones as well, too. So,

1627
01:41:05,784 --> 01:41:08,664
um, again, the purpose is to provide an update to

1628
01:41:08,704 --> 01:41:12,424
council during this reporting period, which is since April 1st.

1629
01:41:15,099 --> 01:41:18,758
Has some construction items, top date council on since April

1630
01:41:18,779 --> 01:41:23,078
1st. So we did receive temporary occupancy for the front

1631
01:41:23,099 --> 01:41:25,856
half of that building. Uh, this was important to move

1632
01:41:26,437 --> 01:41:29,216
staff out of the trailers that were in the parking

1633
01:41:29,237 --> 01:41:32,856
lot. So we retained occupancy, we moved staff out of

1634
01:41:32,856 --> 01:41:35,896
the trailers, and then those trailers were decommissioned and removed

1635
01:41:35,936 --> 01:41:41,434
from the site. Happy to say the operating agreement between

1636
01:41:41,535 --> 01:41:43,754
the city and the boys and girls club is now

1637
01:41:43,794 --> 01:41:46,634
finalised and approved by Council. So thank you for that.

1638
01:41:47,505 --> 01:41:52,124
Um, and we're really down to the wrapping up phase

1639
01:41:52,164 --> 01:41:55,804
of the contract. We're calling it phase two, which is

1640
01:41:55,804 --> 01:41:59,724
the banquet hall and the childcare area. But basically everything

1641
01:42:00,785 --> 01:42:06,149
is pretty much done. Inside the building. We got the

1642
01:42:06,149 --> 01:42:09,009
finishing stuff to do, the flooring and the painting, but

1643
01:42:09,009 --> 01:42:11,829
all the big stuff mechanical, electrical plumbing. And I got

1644
01:42:11,829 --> 01:42:14,529
some photos, I'm happy to share with you guys, uh,

1645
01:42:14,730 --> 01:42:16,589
and Mr. Mayor, you got a private tour of it

1646
01:42:16,650 --> 01:42:19,189
last week. So, uh, happy to share that as well.

1647
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:25,953
So. Here we go. New exterior sign here, uh, in

1648
01:42:25,953 --> 01:42:28,033
partnership with the boys and girls club. That's actually already

1649
01:42:28,534 --> 01:42:33,437
installed. Here's some pictures of the trailer being removed from

1650
01:42:33,938 --> 01:42:40,046
the site quite a project to undertake. As you enter

1651
01:42:40,067 --> 01:42:43,966
into the building, uh, this is our new reception area

1652
01:42:44,627 --> 01:42:50,447
for the Mount Bouchery Community Centre. As you enter in,

1653
01:42:50,447 --> 01:42:53,887
or sorry, past the receptionary into the new banquet hall.

1654
01:42:55,094 --> 01:42:57,553
This is that main hallway. Uh, this is the area

1655
01:42:58,294 --> 01:43:00,913
still, I guess, technically under construction, but you can see

1656
01:43:01,174 --> 01:43:04,273
we are at the wrapping up phase of this project.

1657
01:43:04,273 --> 01:43:07,633
So everything you see to the left will be to

1658
01:43:07,673 --> 01:43:10,353
the banquet hall, everything to the right will be the

1659
01:43:10,454 --> 01:43:17,561
permanent childcare centre. As you get into the banquet hall,

1660
01:43:17,561 --> 01:43:20,041
here's a picture of what that banquet hall looks like.

1661
01:43:20,041 --> 01:43:23,081
You can see everything from flooring to ceiling to lighting,

1662
01:43:23,081 --> 01:43:24,521
all done up. You can even see the dividing wall

1663
01:43:25,902 --> 01:43:30,253
being installed. This is just a picture of that dividing

1664
01:43:30,274 --> 01:43:36,802
wall being closed. This is, um, our new accessible washroom

1665
01:43:36,983 --> 01:43:38,802
that is off the main hallway that we showed you

1666
01:43:38,842 --> 01:43:44,758
earlier. We now get into the childcare space. So. This

1667
01:43:44,798 --> 01:43:47,158
would be to the right of that main hallway. There

1668
01:43:47,158 --> 01:43:50,038
is a greeting area. So this is a roll up

1669
01:43:50,078 --> 01:43:52,358
shutter that you see kind of here where kids will

1670
01:43:52,398 --> 01:43:54,838
be dropped off and picked up. They come inside, they

1671
01:43:54,838 --> 01:43:59,299
got your cubbies and everything, uh, for the childcare. Um.

1672
01:44:00,799 --> 01:44:06,977
In that area. Catching that. For the childcare. Washroom. So

1673
01:44:06,977 --> 01:44:09,657
the little low toilets everyone loves seeing these little low

1674
01:44:09,657 --> 01:44:11,337
toilets when we get, give them a tour of the

1675
01:44:11,377 --> 01:44:14,934
building. And then we also have a community centre kitchen.

1676
01:44:14,934 --> 01:44:17,494
So this is the kitchen that will service the community

1677
01:44:17,595 --> 01:44:20,954
centre for the banquet hall. Uh, in any events that

1678
01:44:21,055 --> 01:44:25,035
are happening inside, uh, the building. We got the outdoor

1679
01:44:25,136 --> 01:44:28,155
playground space. And then we also have an accessible ramp

1680
01:44:28,176 --> 01:44:33,515
because there is an elevation change for the outdoor playground.

1681
01:44:38,429 --> 01:44:42,168
Some updates to risk registry. We're not going to go

1682
01:44:42,168 --> 01:44:44,168
through the whole registry. It is in the staff report

1683
01:44:44,269 --> 01:44:46,648
if you want to. I do want to identify the

1684
01:44:46,829 --> 01:44:50,505
ones that were monitoring right now. So the ones on

1685
01:44:50,545 --> 01:44:52,905
the screen right now are the ones we're monitoring. They're

1686
01:44:52,905 --> 01:44:55,945
monitoring them because they all have an impact based on

1687
01:44:56,286 --> 01:45:00,745
what happened this summer with the local wildfire situation. More

1688
01:45:00,745 --> 01:45:05,225
specifically we had contractors and consultants that were displaced or

1689
01:45:05,326 --> 01:45:10,640
evacuated. And obviously he didn't have access to computers. And

1690
01:45:10,821 --> 01:45:15,040
their offices or their homes, you know, which is little

1691
01:45:15,141 --> 01:45:17,440
in comparison to what they probably experienced having to be

1692
01:45:17,541 --> 01:45:21,561
evacuated. So. That is the biggest impact. The areas that

1693
01:45:21,822 --> 01:45:25,961
are most affected are related to the exterior work and

1694
01:45:26,001 --> 01:45:29,098
the civil work. We're working through that. The building is

1695
01:45:29,098 --> 01:45:33,659
going to be done. The Civil War is delayed slightly.

1696
01:45:35,562 --> 01:45:39,131
So this is the schedule. Um, little update to the

1697
01:45:39,171 --> 01:45:43,129
schedule. So as stated before, slightly behind on the civil

1698
01:45:43,169 --> 01:45:47,513
stuff, the rest of projects on schedule. Um, sostantial completion.

1699
01:45:48,100 --> 01:45:52,197
Um, we always say tracking for September. And it was

1700
01:45:52,218 --> 01:45:55,759
written in the report we're tracking for September. But we

1701
01:45:55,799 --> 01:45:59,431
got some news. We actually hit substantial completion last week.

1702
01:46:01,518 --> 01:46:04,537
So, uh, whatever shared that in the report didn't happen

1703
01:46:04,577 --> 01:46:07,057
in time, but happy to report the council today. We

1704
01:46:07,057 --> 01:46:11,253
officially have hit substantial completion with the project. So what

1705
01:46:11,253 --> 01:46:14,613
does that mean over the next month or so? We're

1706
01:46:14,653 --> 01:46:17,781
obviously going to finish off the exterior civil work. The

1707
01:46:17,802 --> 01:46:20,081
phase two construction is going to be wrapped up, but

1708
01:46:20,122 --> 01:46:24,661
we're into that sort of final inspection cleaning, commissioning. Everything

1709
01:46:24,661 --> 01:46:33,018
we need to do to get full occupancy. There we

1710
01:46:33,018 --> 01:46:38,744
go. Um, when it comes to budget, uh, here's an

1711
01:46:38,744 --> 01:46:42,344
update to the budget. And yes, our contingency has dropped.

1712
01:46:43,008 --> 01:46:48,000
Uh, below 100, 000 dollars. But based on the project's

1713
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:52,080
proximity to completion and the cost forecasting that we've done,

1714
01:46:52,101 --> 01:46:58,118
it's still considered low risk. And with that, that's the

1715
01:46:58,118 --> 01:47:04,235
update. Excellent presentation. Thank you. See if the questions from,

1716
01:47:04,256 --> 01:47:11,061
from council. Well done. Thank you. Yeah, that was an

1717
01:47:11,061 --> 01:47:16,024
information report only. And yeah, again, well done. Thank you

1718
01:47:16,024 --> 01:47:23,103
very, very much. Connects on the agenda is 9. 9.

1719
01:47:25,220 --> 01:47:27,839
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 9. 9 is the contract award

1720
01:47:27,879 --> 01:47:32,568
request for the Brentwood Road Pedestrian Improvement Construction. Uh, and

1721
01:47:32,568 --> 01:47:35,688
I believe that we have staff standing Bidenance or questions.

1722
01:47:35,688 --> 01:47:37,928
Uh, the engineering manager and the senior manager of engineering.

1723
01:47:37,928 --> 01:47:44,914
Thank you. That's on you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. No

1724
01:47:45,095 --> 01:47:48,274
questions, happy to support. But just like the last one,

1725
01:47:48,314 --> 01:47:50,594
it would be nice when we see these. If it

1726
01:47:50,594 --> 01:47:53,074
can have, uh, in the motion where the funds are

1727
01:47:53,074 --> 01:47:57,870
coming from. Uh, happy to support this with that slate

1728
01:47:58,051 --> 01:48:06,160
amendment. Could we, if for the motion could read to

1729
01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:10,396
it as per the financial plan bylaw. Could we reference

1730
01:48:10,396 --> 01:48:16,572
it. That way? As opposed to just saying as per

1731
01:48:16,593 --> 01:48:22,192
the Capitol budget. So there's, there's numerous instances, um, including

1732
01:48:22,232 --> 01:48:26,352
this one where the funding comes from several different sources.

1733
01:48:26,698 --> 01:48:29,157
So we could end up listening out, but then you're

1734
01:48:29,157 --> 01:48:36,308
listing capital reserve gas tax funding, one percent. So it

1735
01:48:36,329 --> 01:48:39,508
all goes back to the financial bylaw, which would have

1736
01:48:39,508 --> 01:48:40,988
to come back to council if we were going to

1737
01:48:40,988 --> 01:48:47,511
change it at all. For, for today, I'll be fine

1738
01:48:47,551 --> 01:48:49,031
with that. But what I am looking for is that

1739
01:48:49,292 --> 01:48:52,231
level, not, not the percentage breakdowns or anything like that,

1740
01:48:52,231 --> 01:48:55,471
but funded from whether the four or five sources. I

1741
01:48:55,471 --> 01:48:57,591
mean, today I'm fine if that's the way we want

1742
01:48:57,591 --> 01:49:00,231
to go for today, but it's from a public transparency

1743
01:49:00,332 --> 01:49:02,871
perspective that they're reminded and where the funds are coming

1744
01:49:02,911 --> 01:49:06,562
from. But I'm not looking for the detail. Like percent

1745
01:49:06,602 --> 01:49:09,362
from this percent from that present. It's just funded from

1746
01:49:09,463 --> 01:49:12,962
these sources moving forward. Today I'm fine. Let's leave it

1747
01:49:12,962 --> 01:49:15,362
the way it is or simply add from the financial

1748
01:49:15,402 --> 01:49:17,522
plan. I don't think it really changes much by simply

1749
01:49:17,562 --> 01:49:19,442
doing that. But moving forward, if we can at least

1750
01:49:20,343 --> 01:49:23,282
break down, I said, but not in the detail that

1751
01:49:23,463 --> 01:49:26,618
was suggested. I don't need percentages. And again, it's just

1752
01:49:26,618 --> 01:49:28,538
a reminder to the public where the funds are coming

1753
01:49:28,578 --> 01:49:33,421
from. I know it's in the report. I wanted in

1754
01:49:33,461 --> 01:49:36,443
the motion. But, but for today, we can add, uh,

1755
01:49:37,444 --> 01:49:42,668
as per the financial, uh, plan bylaw. Okay. Thanks for,

1756
01:49:42,668 --> 01:49:49,209
uh, understanding. Okay. Thank you. Second and go ahead, Councillor

1757
01:49:49,249 --> 01:49:51,978
Johnson. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just wanted to comment that

1758
01:49:51,999 --> 01:49:55,098
I'm very happy to see a significant number of contractors

1759
01:49:55,279 --> 01:49:57,978
bidding on this opportunity. And I hope that Mark's kind

1760
01:49:57,978 --> 01:50:00,818
of the new season of what we can expect. So

1761
01:50:01,679 --> 01:50:05,786
just wanted to point that out. Excellent to see. Any

1762
01:50:05,826 --> 01:50:10,480
further discussion. All in favor. Pose a motion is carried.

1763
01:50:12,859 --> 01:50:16,493
In ex is, we're at 9. 10. Thank you, Mr.

1764
01:50:16,514 --> 01:50:20,013
Mayor. 9. 10 is Z, 26 - 02. City of

1765
01:50:20,013 --> 01:50:26,173
West Collazoning Membylaw number 0320. 19, 2026 for unit number

1766
01:50:26,213 --> 01:50:29,293
two, 1812 Bylan Road. And I will turn over to

1767
01:50:29,314 --> 01:50:35,919
Mr. Oliver for his presentation. Thank you. Mr. Mayor members.

1768
01:50:36,328 --> 01:50:39,843
Council. Nice. Office. Good evening, Mr. Rand. Members of the

1769
01:50:39,843 --> 01:50:43,463
council. Uh, jumping right in the application, uh, tonight we're

1770
01:50:43,463 --> 01:50:46,103
looking at a seat - specific text amendment for a

1771
01:50:46,103 --> 01:50:48,823
site that's likely familiar to council as a number of

1772
01:50:48,823 --> 01:50:51,943
years ago in 2019. The site was subject to a

1773
01:50:51,943 --> 01:50:54,903
very similar application. So the proposal in front of council

1774
01:50:54,943 --> 01:50:59,383
tonight is to basically expand that initial site text amendment

1775
01:50:59,383 --> 01:51:02,903
done years ago, uh, from unit one into unit two.

1776
01:51:02,943 --> 01:51:05,943
It is just a create a larger space as unit

1777
01:51:06,044 --> 01:51:09,923
two currently operates as an antillery type of business. Uh,

1778
01:51:09,923 --> 01:51:12,183
that's going to be closing. So the operator of UNO

1779
01:51:12,183 --> 01:51:16,418
1 would like to expand into unit too. In terms

1780
01:51:16,418 --> 01:51:19,458
of process, uh, right now the zoning bylaw as part

1781
01:51:19,458 --> 01:51:23,118
of our original non - medical cannabis retail process, uh,

1782
01:51:23,118 --> 01:51:26,258
does prohibit cannabis retail sales on every property in the

1783
01:51:26,258 --> 01:51:28,948
city of West Colona. Council determined at the time that

1784
01:51:28,969 --> 01:51:32,308
a scientment would be required to allow for those uses,

1785
01:51:32,308 --> 01:51:35,268
which we've done in accordance historically with the policy, which

1786
01:51:35,268 --> 01:51:38,788
I'll touch on later. But really the process before council

1787
01:51:38,828 --> 01:51:42,708
tonight, including a future public hearing, if advanced, um, is

1788
01:51:42,708 --> 01:51:45,268
required in order to allow for this, uh, incremental change

1789
01:51:45,369 --> 01:51:51,583
into unit two. So that policy itself, um, once again,

1790
01:51:51,623 --> 01:51:54,063
was designed for the initial intake of all of the

1791
01:51:54,103 --> 01:51:57,663
city's non - medical cannabis retail stories. That process was

1792
01:51:57,764 --> 01:51:59,823
quite large and lengthy as we had a number of

1793
01:51:59,844 --> 01:52:03,083
applicants who were scored against each other. And it was

1794
01:52:03,083 --> 01:52:05,503
determined at the time that there would be initially four

1795
01:52:05,543 --> 01:52:08,183
stores across the city. So we had 10 applicants. We

1796
01:52:08,183 --> 01:52:10,843
had to whittle that list down. It involved receiving, uh,

1797
01:52:10,884 --> 01:52:14,703
business plans from different proponents, marketing materials. They're all circulated

1798
01:52:14,743 --> 01:52:17,423
within the city. Once again, scoring that was brought forward

1799
01:52:17,463 --> 01:52:20,743
to council for a selection of the identified stores, of

1800
01:52:20,743 --> 01:52:24,703
which ChibaCHIB is the subject application was a successful proponent

1801
01:52:24,743 --> 01:52:27,918
of. Here, one important note is that, uh, if this

1802
01:52:28,019 --> 01:52:30,878
application was to have included both these units, one had

1803
01:52:30,878 --> 01:52:33,998
originally came in back in 2019, largely the proposal would

1804
01:52:33,998 --> 01:52:36,078
have been scored the exact same way. There'd be no

1805
01:52:36,099 --> 01:52:38,838
difference. There was no size consideration at the time. So

1806
01:52:38,899 --> 01:52:41,838
despite, once again, that initial process limiting it to unit

1807
01:52:41,878 --> 01:52:44,318
one. If it was unit in one and two back

1808
01:52:44,318 --> 01:52:46,478
in 2019, we would have supported it the same way.

1809
01:52:48,923 --> 01:52:50,662
An important note here of something that wasn't in the

1810
01:52:50,843 --> 01:52:55,462
council report. We have received a somewhat related application or

1811
01:52:55,483 --> 01:53:00,022
request from another property owner within the City West Coluna.

1812
01:53:00,022 --> 01:53:02,102
And it falls within a bit of a general catch

1813
01:53:02,102 --> 01:53:04,342
- all category in terms of our applications. But basically

1814
01:53:04,923 --> 01:53:07,702
they've wanted staffer of applied for staff to make a

1815
01:53:07,702 --> 01:53:11,462
report to council to petition a review of this policy.

1816
01:53:11,462 --> 01:53:14,022
And the intenses that they're looking at potentially introducing an

1817
01:53:14,062 --> 01:53:17,542
additional store in Glenrosa. We are going to be reviewing

1818
01:53:17,582 --> 01:53:20,502
that application preparing a report to bring forward to council.

1819
01:53:20,502 --> 01:53:22,902
But if council wishes to provide direction tonight, a separate

1820
01:53:22,923 --> 01:53:25,862
motion has been prepared outside of this file to direct

1821
01:53:26,043 --> 01:53:28,182
staff to review that policy as there has been some

1822
01:53:28,283 --> 01:53:30,662
comments from council in the past to review the policy.

1823
01:53:32,866 --> 01:53:36,125
In terms of, um, a feast and charges Bylaw review,

1824
01:53:36,125 --> 01:53:38,345
not something we often jump into with these applications, but

1825
01:53:38,706 --> 01:53:41,005
as I alluded to, we're basically working in a process

1826
01:53:41,026 --> 01:53:44,045
that was designed for a large scoring of a number

1827
01:53:44,085 --> 01:53:47,405
of applications. And the large application for you from those

1828
01:53:47,445 --> 01:53:50,285
original applications being 8, 300 dollars, which is what the

1829
01:53:50,466 --> 01:53:53,725
applicants paid the process, uh, in terms of our standard

1830
01:53:53,826 --> 01:53:56,925
text amendment really doesn't warrant that amount of staff review

1831
01:53:56,946 --> 01:53:59,165
and staff time. And this process, because we're not scoring

1832
01:53:59,186 --> 01:54:03,245
it against other applications, hasn't necessitated that same degree review.

1833
01:54:03,245 --> 01:54:07,257
So staff of recommended reducing that fee. In terms of

1834
01:54:07,318 --> 01:54:10,897
public notification, per the policy, uh, it does require that

1835
01:54:10,937 --> 01:54:12,817
a public hearing be held. So that's the recommendation that

1836
01:54:12,857 --> 01:54:15,217
we've put in front of council. Um, based on the

1837
01:54:15,257 --> 01:54:18,257
default, if that policy wasn't there, it wouldn't necessarily have

1838
01:54:18,297 --> 01:54:20,417
warranted, but we're trying to follow that policy as best

1839
01:54:20,417 --> 01:54:22,337
we can. So we are recommending that a public hearing

1840
01:54:22,377 --> 01:54:25,830
be held. In terms of a quick conclusion here, uh,

1841
01:54:25,951 --> 01:54:28,250
as I mentioned, really this is consistent with the council

1842
01:54:28,250 --> 01:54:31,130
policy. It's not creating an additional store. There's no real

1843
01:54:31,151 --> 01:54:34,570
location specific considerations as the existing store that would be

1844
01:54:34,610 --> 01:54:38,150
a budding this proposed unit expansion. The applicants included, uh,

1845
01:54:38,271 --> 01:54:40,810
detailed rationale that council would have seen on the council

1846
01:54:40,810 --> 01:54:44,010
report. Outlining how this will help, uh, their business operation

1847
01:54:44,191 --> 01:54:47,930
in an eliminated potential vacancy within these buildings. Uh, as

1848
01:54:47,930 --> 01:54:50,330
I mentioned, we'll be receiving public feedback through the public

1849
01:54:50,351 --> 01:54:54,090
hearing process. And that fee recommendation really just aligns with

1850
01:54:54,130 --> 01:54:56,250
the amount of staff time that's required to process the

1851
01:54:56,250 --> 01:54:59,267
application. Happy to answer any questions if there are any.

1852
01:55:00,598 --> 01:55:04,875
Thanks to your presentation. Council Milsa. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. And

1853
01:55:04,916 --> 01:55:08,415
happy to support this support this this evening. Um, but

1854
01:55:08,436 --> 01:55:11,455
what I, what did this brought up for me was

1855
01:55:11,716 --> 01:55:15,295
the review of this policy. So this policy was written

1856
01:55:15,636 --> 01:55:18,575
in April 23rd of 2019. And if we scroll down

1857
01:55:18,596 --> 01:55:21,535
to 8. 1, it is anticipated that this policy would

1858
01:55:21,535 --> 01:55:25,535
be reviewed within 18 to 24 months following the effective

1859
01:55:25,796 --> 01:55:28,255
date of policy to consider implications. Have we ever done

1860
01:55:28,276 --> 01:55:30,555
a policy review on this policy. Today, there's been no

1861
01:55:30,576 --> 01:55:34,589
additional view. So to me, that's something that I'd like

1862
01:55:34,629 --> 01:55:37,069
to staff to flag to get this. And again, a

1863
01:55:37,109 --> 01:55:40,029
quick search of this whole, like personally the cap of

1864
01:55:40,069 --> 01:55:41,869
five for B. I'd like to see the cap of

1865
01:55:41,869 --> 01:55:45,229
five removed. Um, I think free market should dictate what

1866
01:55:45,250 --> 01:55:48,669
businesses can operate and afford to operate and fair competition

1867
01:55:48,770 --> 01:55:52,749
model would allow others just no different than alcohol sales,

1868
01:55:52,749 --> 01:55:53,949
if that kind of thing. So I just did a

1869
01:55:53,949 --> 01:55:57,069
quick, you know, search around the valley and communities similar

1870
01:55:57,090 --> 01:56:02,909
size, PENTICTAN, 13 stores. Vernon 11 stores. Salmon arm, eight

1871
01:56:02,909 --> 01:56:05,972
stores. And salmon arms only population. From 8, 000 people.

1872
01:56:05,972 --> 01:56:09,492
So smaller community than us. So again, I think this,

1873
01:56:09,492 --> 01:56:11,492
the, the limit of five is a way too small

1874
01:56:11,673 --> 01:56:14,452
of limit. I think we should have, and again, let

1875
01:56:14,452 --> 01:56:17,012
the market dictate how many stories we have throughout the

1876
01:56:17,012 --> 01:56:18,852
city. But that's just a quick thing. And I'd like

1877
01:56:18,852 --> 01:56:21,172
to see it come back for review. But happy to

1878
01:56:21,212 --> 01:56:24,513
support this this evening, uh, move it forward. So. That's

1879
01:56:24,553 --> 01:56:28,433
my comments. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Jan. Yeah. Thank

1880
01:56:28,433 --> 01:56:31,233
you, Mr. Mayor. I'm certainly going to support staff's recommendation

1881
01:56:31,273 --> 01:56:34,753
tonight for this applicant. As far as the policy review

1882
01:56:34,793 --> 01:56:36,753
goes, my feedback on that. It can go to the

1883
01:56:36,753 --> 01:56:39,073
bottom list. There's a whole bunch of policies that council

1884
01:56:39,113 --> 01:56:41,553
have already asked to review. I'm not going to trump

1885
01:56:41,553 --> 01:56:43,713
any of those for this. Um, it's a matter of

1886
01:56:43,753 --> 01:56:47,711
priorities. Speaking quite frankly and open. Um, so I have

1887
01:56:47,751 --> 01:56:50,431
no problem reviewing the policy when we get to it,

1888
01:56:50,431 --> 01:56:54,271
but the purchasing policy and other priorities, uh, policies that

1889
01:56:54,292 --> 01:56:56,671
need to be looked at before we get to this.

1890
01:56:56,671 --> 01:56:58,351
It's just, we can only do so much. And we've

1891
01:56:58,351 --> 01:57:01,231
already been told the policies that council has the prioritize

1892
01:57:01,332 --> 01:57:03,351
and has to get reviewed. Uh, we're not going to

1893
01:57:03,351 --> 01:57:05,631
get them all done before the end of the term.

1894
01:57:05,631 --> 01:57:07,591
So it's simply this is going to have to be

1895
01:57:07,591 --> 01:57:10,431
something that is looked at the next council next term.

1896
01:57:10,431 --> 01:57:14,111
I'm certainly open to seeing that policy change. Um, but,

1897
01:57:14,111 --> 01:57:15,791
uh, I'm not going to give it special priority at

1898
01:57:15,812 --> 01:57:17,471
this point to get a review. But I will support

1899
01:57:17,492 --> 01:57:20,831
this application tonight. Yeah. Thank you very much. Would you

1900
01:57:20,871 --> 01:57:24,351
move that please? And do we have a second ear?

1901
01:57:24,351 --> 01:57:27,332
We can just speak to this. Great. So let's just

1902
01:57:27,372 --> 01:57:31,326
speak to this and. No, I have no problem with

1903
01:57:31,347 --> 01:57:34,246
that. But I thought we'd address this and then we

1904
01:57:34,246 --> 01:57:37,732
can have comments with regards to the policy after. Yeah.

1905
01:57:37,732 --> 01:57:41,812
No problem at all. Uh, so any further discussion on

1906
01:57:42,473 --> 01:57:45,480
the motion that's ahead of us. Okay. All in favor.

1907
01:57:47,105 --> 01:57:51,024
Is not a post. So that motions carried. And now,

1908
01:57:51,024 --> 01:57:54,384
uh, council would like to provide some comments on, on,

1909
01:57:54,384 --> 01:57:58,676
uh, topic of the policy review. Council Message. Yeah. And

1910
01:57:58,857 --> 01:58:01,796
just to clarify like my, I wasn't about to say

1911
01:58:01,817 --> 01:58:03,796
like push this to the top of the list when

1912
01:58:03,836 --> 01:58:06,596
we get to it. It's fine. Um, but for sake

1913
01:58:06,636 --> 01:58:09,076
of, you know, we have other business owners that are

1914
01:58:09,177 --> 01:58:12,116
interested in this type of opening, this type of business.

1915
01:58:12,217 --> 01:58:14,116
I personally would like to see us just remove the

1916
01:58:14,297 --> 01:58:17,236
cap out of the policy. And then moving forward redo

1917
01:58:17,236 --> 01:58:19,156
the policy down the road when we get to it.

1918
01:58:19,156 --> 01:58:21,236
But I think this opens up a can of worms

1919
01:58:21,276 --> 01:58:24,196
for us if other, other retailers or other business people

1920
01:58:24,377 --> 01:58:26,276
want to open up cannabis stores in the, in the

1921
01:58:26,537 --> 01:58:29,236
valley in West Cologna and we're capped at five on

1922
01:58:29,337 --> 01:58:32,276
a policy that was supposed to be reviewed three years

1923
01:58:32,276 --> 01:58:35,876
ago. So to me, that's the really only contingent thing

1924
01:58:36,457 --> 01:58:39,476
unless those, those other applicants come forward, I guess for

1925
01:58:39,476 --> 01:58:43,716
variances. But for me, it's letting the market dictate it.

1926
01:58:43,716 --> 01:58:45,796
So that would be where I'm at. But again, no

1927
01:58:45,817 --> 01:58:48,996
need to push this forward. Next term can deal with

1928
01:58:48,996 --> 01:58:52,316
it. I just look to see maybe the will of

1929
01:58:52,316 --> 01:58:54,316
counsel just to remove the Cap of five and let

1930
01:58:54,356 --> 01:59:01,427
the free market enterprise. Council De Silva. Uh, thank you

1931
01:59:01,528 --> 01:59:04,847
Mr. Mayor. Yeah. Just, just my comments on this. You

1932
01:59:04,847 --> 01:59:07,027
know, Council had the opportunity to prioritize our list of

1933
01:59:07,048 --> 01:59:09,267
policies that we wanted to review. And I don't want

1934
01:59:09,267 --> 01:59:12,227
to make any changes to that list. Um, from my

1935
01:59:12,227 --> 01:59:13,827
perspective, this can stay at the bottom of the list

1936
01:59:13,867 --> 01:59:18,257
as well. Thank you. Councillor. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1937
01:59:18,257 --> 01:59:20,017
And no, I'm not prepared to make any changes without

1938
01:59:20,038 --> 01:59:22,817
that policy review. There's certainly businesses out there that will

1939
01:59:22,857 --> 01:59:25,297
like us to remove the cap. And the businesses out

1940
01:59:25,337 --> 01:59:27,537
there that will speak vehemently that we don't remove the

1941
01:59:27,558 --> 01:59:30,557
cap. Um, you know, I'm certainly open to more. But

1942
01:59:30,838 --> 01:59:32,977
it's more than just a nuance. It will be a

1943
01:59:32,998 --> 01:59:36,417
full, harder debate based on a review. Not a random

1944
01:59:36,598 --> 01:59:43,100
change of one thing. I'll review later. So it looks

1945
01:59:43,100 --> 01:59:46,300
like the interest in moving this at this point council

1946
01:59:46,881 --> 01:59:49,100
question. Council Mill Sir. Yeah, just quick question for staff.

1947
01:59:49,808 --> 01:59:53,946
Legally. Competition act wise. Are we allowed to hold the

1948
01:59:54,127 --> 01:59:58,473
cap on illegally. You know, like alcohol said? Are we

1949
01:59:58,473 --> 02:00:06,076
allowed to actually hold the cap like that. Uh, Mr.

1950
02:00:06,097 --> 02:00:08,316
Mayor, so, I mean, of course we did this in

1951
02:00:08,497 --> 02:00:11,836
2019 and there was a very, very lengthy review that

1952
02:00:11,937 --> 02:00:14,956
went into when we brought this policy forward. I don't

1953
02:00:15,217 --> 02:00:19,447
specifically recall that question. Not because it wasn't asked, just

1954
02:00:19,447 --> 02:00:21,047
because it was some time ago. And we would have

1955
02:00:21,047 --> 02:00:22,972
to look at it. Yeah. I'd just like to know

1956
02:00:23,233 --> 02:00:25,772
legally if that's, you know, cause from what I've done

1957
02:00:25,953 --> 02:00:28,412
a little bit of quick research on, I don't see

1958
02:00:28,673 --> 02:00:33,372
caps in any other municipality on cannabis stores. So my

1959
02:00:33,412 --> 02:00:36,572
gut feeling is not because it's not lawful. It's because

1960
02:00:36,673 --> 02:00:38,472
that was the will of counsel of the day. But

1961
02:00:38,472 --> 02:00:40,652
I do believe that it is probably in good legal

1962
02:00:40,692 --> 02:00:42,972
standing, but we'll take a look. Just give you all

1963
02:00:42,972 --> 02:00:49,514
up with your curiosity. Thank you. Thank you very much,

1964
02:00:49,554 --> 02:00:55,468
Mr. Oliver. Okay. We'll go on to the next item

1965
02:00:55,649 --> 02:00:59,902
in the agenda. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 9. 11 is

1966
02:00:59,923 --> 02:01:04,862
DVP 26 - 02. Development variance permit for 2540 Colleen

1967
02:01:04,902 --> 02:01:06,462
Road. And I will turn it back over to Mr.

1968
02:01:06,502 --> 02:01:07,102
Oliver. Thank you.

1969
02:01:16,519 --> 02:01:18,498
Just to set the stage in terms of location for

1970
02:01:18,519 --> 02:01:21,218
this application, because it does form part of the considerations

1971
02:01:21,218 --> 02:01:24,738
of staff's recommendation. Of course, located in the Lakeview Heights

1972
02:01:24,778 --> 02:01:28,338
neighbourhood just off of Hudson Road here. Um, the area

1973
02:01:28,378 --> 02:01:32,578
is primarily R1 single attached residential surrounding the property. That's

1974
02:01:32,679 --> 02:01:35,138
the visual in the top right - hand corner there,

1975
02:01:35,138 --> 02:01:38,498
but it does also include a P1 or P2, sorry,

1976
02:01:38,519 --> 02:01:43,218
institutional zoned faith - based organisation directly to the West.

1977
02:01:43,218 --> 02:01:44,978
In terms of the site, which is shown in that

1978
02:01:45,018 --> 02:01:47,378
visual on the bottom right - hand side, uh, one

1979
02:01:47,399 --> 02:01:49,458
thing to note there, it is quite a large parcel

1980
02:01:49,799 --> 02:01:53,938
at 0. 81 of an acre, 3277 square metres. We'll

1981
02:01:53,938 --> 02:01:58,978
exceed our 550 square metre, minimum parcel size, pretty typical

1982
02:01:59,018 --> 02:02:01,298
of some of these legacy parcels. But once again, this

1983
02:02:01,319 --> 02:02:03,218
is quite a large one even compared to some of

1984
02:02:03,218 --> 02:02:06,338
those. In terms of current use on the property, primer

1985
02:02:06,439 --> 02:02:08,498
use is a single attached dwelling, but you do see

1986
02:02:08,599 --> 02:02:12,098
there is an existing detached garage, just down here below

1987
02:02:12,119 --> 02:02:15,538
the house. Uh, the pool, uh, and the yellow box

1988
02:02:15,639 --> 02:02:18,258
area, which I'll get into in the report elaborated on

1989
02:02:18,298 --> 02:02:22,821
one of the existing structures that was there previously. So

1990
02:02:22,842 --> 02:02:26,741
in terms of that background, uh, there was a legally

1991
02:02:26,762 --> 02:02:32,101
lawfully constructed accessory structure built to the bylaw in 1983.

1992
02:02:32,101 --> 02:02:34,261
A structure shown in that visual there. Uh, and it

1993
02:02:34,261 --> 02:02:36,741
would be that lighter grey area. There was an addition

1994
02:02:36,842 --> 02:02:39,301
built onto that in the weight that wasn't done under

1995
02:02:39,402 --> 02:02:44,261
permit. Unfortunately, that structure burned down in 2020. Uh, and

1996
02:02:44,301 --> 02:02:46,941
it did burn down basically straight to the ground. So

1997
02:02:46,941 --> 02:02:50,101
it doesn't benefit from any of the local government acts

1998
02:02:50,122 --> 02:02:54,341
nonconformity regulations. Um, basically 75 percent of the value of

1999
02:02:54,522 --> 02:02:57,301
structure above the foundation has been lost. It must comply

2000
02:02:57,341 --> 02:03:00,021
to the new bylaw of the day. Uh, but at

2001
02:03:00,021 --> 02:03:02,101
the time once again, based on the building permit information

2002
02:03:02,122 --> 02:03:05,301
we have, a portion of that structure was lawfully conforming.

2003
02:03:07,136 --> 02:03:09,035
In terms of the proposal that's before us today with

2004
02:03:09,056 --> 02:03:11,915
the new property owner, they're looking to basically build on

2005
02:03:11,915 --> 02:03:15,015
the general footprint of that structure that burned down. Um,

2006
02:03:15,056 --> 02:03:18,475
however, it doesn't comply with the current zoning bylaws maximum

2007
02:03:19,056 --> 02:03:21,995
accessory building size of 100 square metres. They're looking to

2008
02:03:22,016 --> 02:03:25,515
basically go up to a total of 281. 3 square

2009
02:03:25,515 --> 02:03:29,275
metres. And that does encompass that other detached two car

2010
02:03:29,315 --> 02:03:31,115
garage that you saw on there. So, uh, there's a

2011
02:03:31,115 --> 02:03:33,595
couple of different numbers in the report, but basically on

2012
02:03:33,595 --> 02:03:36,615
a, on a parcel like this, it's zoned R1. All

2013
02:03:36,615 --> 02:03:39,595
of your combined structures can only total 100 square metres.

2014
02:03:39,595 --> 02:03:42,715
And they're going to be proposing to exceed that. They're

2015
02:03:42,715 --> 02:03:46,315
also including a relatively minor height variance of 0. 75

2016
02:03:46,336 --> 02:03:49,195
metres, which as noted in the report, uh, isn't of

2017
02:03:49,195 --> 02:03:54,051
as much concern as that size requirement. So in terms

2018
02:03:54,051 --> 02:03:56,691
of that zoning bylaw, once again, as I just referenced,

2019
02:03:56,691 --> 02:04:00,211
it really is that combined area that we focus on.

2020
02:04:00,211 --> 02:04:04,211
And here's just the proposed structure is 231 square metres.

2021
02:04:04,211 --> 02:04:06,451
So well over double, what would be permitted as a

2022
02:04:06,472 --> 02:04:11,091
standalone structure, irregardless of that, um, detached garage that's existing.

2023
02:04:13,315 --> 02:04:15,534
In terms of the applicants rationale, which was attached to

2024
02:04:15,555 --> 02:04:18,174
the council report, uh, once again, they're looking to generally

2025
02:04:18,195 --> 02:04:20,814
build on that same footprint of the structure, that concrete

2026
02:04:20,835 --> 02:04:24,494
foundation still remaining there today. Um, they're looking to store

2027
02:04:24,515 --> 02:04:27,294
a number of their projects boats cars, equipment that was

2028
02:04:27,294 --> 02:04:29,134
seen in some of the visuals, uh, that were shown

2029
02:04:29,555 --> 02:04:35,171
within that structure. They've clearly indicated and we've ensured we

2030
02:04:35,171 --> 02:04:36,931
pose the question to them that they're really only intending

2031
02:04:36,971 --> 02:04:38,931
to use this for personal use. They're not looking to

2032
02:04:38,971 --> 02:04:41,451
operate a business at that time. Um, that could, of

2033
02:04:41,451 --> 02:04:43,731
course, change in the future, not necessarily with this property

2034
02:04:43,731 --> 02:04:45,731
owner, but future property owners. That's a bit of the

2035
02:04:45,771 --> 02:04:48,051
concern in the staff have. Uh, we've worked with the

2036
02:04:48,091 --> 02:04:50,291
applicant to try and reduce the scope of the proposal

2037
02:04:50,331 --> 02:04:52,931
as much as possible. That's where you see the proposal

2038
02:04:52,931 --> 02:04:56,051
to remove this existing shed that's on the northern parcel

2039
02:04:56,091 --> 02:04:58,931
boundary to try and reduce that overall command area as

2040
02:04:58,931 --> 02:05:01,971
much as practically possible for them. And once again, in

2041
02:05:01,971 --> 02:05:03,971
terms of that height variance, it really is in the

2042
02:05:04,011 --> 02:05:06,131
lowest part of the property. So staff don't have a

2043
02:05:06,171 --> 02:05:09,251
significant cern of that 0. 75 metres of additional height

2044
02:05:09,272 --> 02:05:14,562
that's been requested. In terms of public notification, 37 notices

2045
02:05:14,663 --> 02:05:17,602
were mailed out. We received no submissions. Uh, as we

2046
02:05:17,642 --> 02:05:20,082
often do with applicants like this, we encourage them to

2047
02:05:20,122 --> 02:05:22,082
go and talk to their neighbours and people who may

2048
02:05:22,122 --> 02:05:25,282
be potentially impacted by variances like this. The applicant did

2049
02:05:25,303 --> 02:05:28,082
indicate that they've proactively contacted many of their neighbours who

2050
02:05:28,103 --> 02:05:30,962
have indicated support and did include a bit of a

2051
02:05:31,002 --> 02:05:34,802
petition to staff illustrating that support. It didn't include enough

2052
02:05:34,823 --> 02:05:37,682
information where we felt it was warranted to submitted to

2053
02:05:37,682 --> 02:05:39,762
council because it just had a name, a signature address

2054
02:05:40,423 --> 02:05:42,882
didn't include information related to proposals. So that's where we

2055
02:05:42,983 --> 02:05:46,242
rely on these notices. Uh, the absence of any opposition,

2056
02:05:46,242 --> 02:05:49,362
uh, once again, can be an indication of general sentiment

2057
02:05:49,383 --> 02:05:52,482
of the residents nearby. So we didn't receive any opposition,

2058
02:05:52,482 --> 02:05:54,562
which could be due to that, uh, property owners hard

2059
02:05:54,562 --> 02:05:59,055
work. In terms of the conclusion here, as noted in

2060
02:05:59,055 --> 02:06:02,295
the council report, despite the property's large size, really, we

2061
02:06:02,295 --> 02:06:05,455
only see structures of this size and magnitude proposed in

2062
02:06:05,476 --> 02:06:09,295
primarily rural areas or industrial areas. That combined area is

2063
02:06:09,295 --> 02:06:11,375
almost three times the size of the maximum that's allowed

2064
02:06:11,396 --> 02:06:14,095
in the R1 zone. And it's there for continuity of

2065
02:06:14,116 --> 02:06:16,815
neighbourhoods and that once again, a pretty consistent restriction that

2066
02:06:16,815 --> 02:06:19,455
we see across the community. And once again, I've alluded

2067
02:06:19,455 --> 02:06:21,775
to it, but there's an inherent concern that, uh, whether

2068
02:06:21,815 --> 02:06:24,095
it be this owner or future property owners when you

2069
02:06:24,095 --> 02:06:26,975
have these large structures like this, they can inherently get

2070
02:06:27,076 --> 02:06:29,775
used for other purposes that are intended, you know, maybe

2071
02:06:29,815 --> 02:06:32,335
today by the current property owner where it would far

2072
02:06:32,375 --> 02:06:35,135
exceed our home - based business regulations. We see examples

2073
02:06:35,175 --> 02:06:38,975
of this like agriculture operator saying a barn is operating.

2074
02:06:38,975 --> 02:06:41,135
We have industrial operators in there the next year. So

2075
02:06:41,396 --> 02:06:43,695
that's where some of these concerns come from staff. It's

2076
02:06:43,716 --> 02:06:46,975
not a detriment to the current applicants rationale. They said

2077
02:06:47,015 --> 02:06:48,875
it's for personal use. But those are some of the

2078
02:06:48,875 --> 02:06:56,141
concerns in staff Aff. That the two variances be denied.

2079
02:06:56,882 --> 02:06:59,661
The applicants indicated they would be considered concurrently. So despite

2080
02:06:59,701 --> 02:07:02,361
the lack of concern with the height variants, they are

2081
02:07:02,361 --> 02:07:06,381
being proposed as a package. And as per council's policy,

2082
02:07:06,381 --> 02:07:09,181
council may allow the applicant to address counsel and limit

2083
02:07:09,221 --> 02:07:11,421
the time permitted in the applicant has indicated that he

2084
02:07:11,442 --> 02:07:13,981
would like to address counsel if possible. Okay, thank you

2085
02:07:13,981 --> 02:07:20,067
very much. Council Young, you will speak before. I do.

2086
02:07:20,088 --> 02:07:21,907
I would like to hear from the, I'm just making

2087
02:07:21,928 --> 02:07:23,867
notice that I'd like to hear from the applicant. Is

2088
02:07:23,867 --> 02:07:25,827
that a notice of motion or is that just by

2089
02:07:25,827 --> 02:07:28,925
default? It's part of the process. And the past has

2090
02:07:28,965 --> 02:07:31,165
been in those motions. That's why I'm asking. I don't

2091
02:07:31,165 --> 02:07:34,685
think so. That's a part of the policy. The Council

2092
02:07:34,725 --> 02:07:38,445
Policy specifically notes for development permits variance egg files. Council

2093
02:07:38,546 --> 02:07:41,625
may allow the applicant. It's not right that they, uh,

2094
02:07:42,546 --> 02:07:46,814
must be heard. So it's a decision of counsel. I

2095
02:07:46,854 --> 02:07:50,763
move the beer from the ISO. Okay. Very good. All

2096
02:07:50,763 --> 02:07:54,821
right. Uh, all in favor. I guess we have done

2097
02:07:54,861 --> 02:08:02,497
in the past. Richard, come on up. Sorry. Memory. Welcome.

2098
02:08:03,216 --> 02:08:05,835
Uh, so it's five minutes for the applicant to address.

2099
02:08:07,558 --> 02:08:13,205
Just going to just give me a sec, please. Hate

2100
02:08:13,205 --> 02:08:14,325
to do this, but I got to put you on

2101
02:08:14,325 --> 02:08:20,528
a timer. Got five minutes to address counsel. Welcome, if

2102
02:08:20,528 --> 02:08:25,595
you can provide, uh, your name and address? Certainly. Bear

2103
02:08:25,595 --> 02:08:28,235
with me my first time through a process like this.

2104
02:08:28,235 --> 02:08:30,235
So I would have dressed up a little bit more.

2105
02:08:30,235 --> 02:08:36,815
I apologise. Uh, Bertram Burzens and my wife via. And,

2106
02:08:36,815 --> 02:08:40,634
uh. I just want to say one thing while I'm

2107
02:08:40,674 --> 02:08:43,114
here. Thank you for fixing the road in front of

2108
02:08:43,114 --> 02:08:45,274
my house. So it's putting six eight inches of water

2109
02:08:45,535 --> 02:08:47,594
and into the garage and into the house. And you

2110
02:08:47,594 --> 02:08:51,003
guys fixed it. So thank you. I was really shocked

2111
02:08:51,424 --> 02:08:57,150
that it actually got done. So thank you. Yeah. So

2112
02:08:58,331 --> 02:09:01,190
like he spoke there was a structure the same size

2113
02:09:01,230 --> 02:09:03,848
as that there. Obviously we're not going to go with

2114
02:09:03,848 --> 02:09:05,848
that little extension that they put on there. We're going

2115
02:09:05,848 --> 02:09:08,568
to put that proper setback and everything else. We've got

2116
02:09:09,469 --> 02:09:12,648
a 40 foot mortar home and a 36 foot boat.

2117
02:09:16,104 --> 02:09:23,028
And. The boat is used in a lot of. Its

2118
02:09:23,068 --> 02:09:26,228
whole purpose was to create fun and connection. Actually, it

2119
02:09:26,228 --> 02:09:29,108
was on casting and they helped us get it going

2120
02:09:29,209 --> 02:09:31,268
and everything else. So it was really cool. But so

2121
02:09:32,409 --> 02:09:34,468
we're into making a difference for the world. We do

2122
02:09:34,468 --> 02:09:37,888
a lot of work with John Howard and whatnot. And

2123
02:09:38,089 --> 02:09:40,068
we just wanted a place to put our stuff so

2124
02:09:40,089 --> 02:09:43,268
that we could keep the place organised. That property doesn't

2125
02:09:43,308 --> 02:09:46,726
have a good reputation from before. And we took 12

2126
02:09:47,067 --> 02:09:49,606
ton of garbage and steel off of it when we

2127
02:09:49,646 --> 02:09:54,750
bought it. And, uh, and, um, so it's been nothing's

2128
02:09:54,750 --> 02:09:56,350
been easy. We bought it when we went back to

2129
02:09:56,451 --> 02:09:58,590
get her stuff. The last homeowner broke into the house

2130
02:09:58,771 --> 02:10:01,710
stole the furniture offer stuffed. So it's been a, it's

2131
02:10:01,710 --> 02:10:05,710
been a real adventure to own this property. But, but

2132
02:10:05,750 --> 02:10:08,190
we love it here. And this is our forever home.

2133
02:10:08,190 --> 02:10:17,277
So, uh. I just would appreciate. Yeah. Your guidance in

2134
02:10:17,277 --> 02:10:19,997
that and to be able to do that us to

2135
02:10:20,037 --> 02:10:23,037
contribute to be a part of, uh, West Colonia here

2136
02:10:23,077 --> 02:10:29,586
like we are already, right? So. That's anything. Like anything

2137
02:10:29,626 --> 02:10:32,074
you need, we're here for you. Right. So. That's, that's

2138
02:10:32,114 --> 02:10:39,111
our motive. Right. So. We've done some points.

2139
02:10:42,883 --> 02:10:45,182
Yeah. Like it was kind of interesting. Like when we

2140
02:10:45,222 --> 02:10:48,382
bought the place last owner or the realtor, whatever was

2141
02:10:48,422 --> 02:10:50,622
promising that they were going to get everything all lined

2142
02:10:50,662 --> 02:10:52,782
up. So it could be built and even start building

2143
02:10:52,963 --> 02:10:56,662
because the final insurance claim that was going through, it

2144
02:10:56,662 --> 02:10:58,262
was, uh, and we, we thought there was going to

2145
02:10:58,323 --> 02:11:02,062
be no problem down to the city hall that I

2146
02:11:02,062 --> 02:11:04,122
think the fellow now is working for lake country, but

2147
02:11:04,163 --> 02:11:07,662
like he was just amazingly helpful with us. And the

2148
02:11:07,662 --> 02:11:08,942
only way I will do it. We'll get you going.

2149
02:11:08,942 --> 02:11:10,122
You got to do this and this and this. And

2150
02:11:10,122 --> 02:11:13,102
then like we canvas the whole neighbourhood. We showed them

2151
02:11:13,102 --> 02:11:16,942
all the plans. They signed off on everything. Everybody's going

2152
02:11:17,043 --> 02:11:20,608
like, how come it's not done yet. So it's going

2153
02:11:20,608 --> 02:11:23,088
through its process of whatever it is that we got

2154
02:11:23,128 --> 02:11:28,528
to do here. Right. So, um, and yeah, we'll take

2155
02:11:28,789 --> 02:11:33,491
that other shed down in the corner. Um. Via, I

2156
02:11:33,491 --> 02:11:36,331
don't know, we've seen lots of drive by there. Like

2157
02:11:36,331 --> 02:11:38,251
she plan at all roses all in the front and

2158
02:11:38,251 --> 02:11:40,811
trying to make the curb appeal in that area, like

2159
02:11:40,811 --> 02:11:43,191
pick it up from what it was before it was

2160
02:11:43,191 --> 02:11:46,610
pretty run down. And had a lot of tires in

2161
02:11:46,650 --> 02:11:49,470
junk in there that were cleaned up. Right. So, um.

2162
02:11:56,694 --> 02:11:58,553
I don't know what else I can really say. I

2163
02:11:58,614 --> 02:12:02,513
just, as it means a lot to me. I'm an

2164
02:12:02,513 --> 02:12:05,153
artist and I make things that make people smile and

2165
02:12:05,153 --> 02:12:07,633
I need the space to do things and park things

2166
02:12:08,054 --> 02:12:15,014
and stuff like that. So. Um, that's really important. Co,

2167
02:12:15,014 --> 02:12:18,374
thank you. Thank you very much for your comments. Just

2168
02:12:18,374 --> 02:12:21,180
check to see if council has any questions. Council Mill

2169
02:12:21,180 --> 02:12:23,683
said. Thanks Mr. Aaron. Just a quick question. So you

2170
02:12:23,683 --> 02:12:26,403
said you've cleaned up 12 tons of garbage off the

2171
02:12:26,403 --> 02:12:28,483
property. I noticed we've seen in some of the aerial

2172
02:12:28,483 --> 02:12:30,803
pictures, like all those tires, those white tires that are

2173
02:12:30,843 --> 02:12:32,643
painted white in the aerial picture. Those are all gone

2174
02:12:32,824 --> 02:12:35,495
kind of thing. Yeah. Cause that was my concern in

2175
02:12:35,495 --> 02:12:38,215
some of those overhead pictures that look like a junkyard,

2176
02:12:38,215 --> 02:12:41,175
I guess. Yeah. No, no. It's been cleaned up quite.

2177
02:12:41,175 --> 02:12:44,010
I've got some of my stuff that I brought. Uh,

2178
02:12:44,271 --> 02:12:47,552
in the trailers waiting for the garage. Okay. No, no,

2179
02:12:47,552 --> 02:12:48,992
perfect. Thank you for that. I know because sometimes these

2180
02:12:49,013 --> 02:12:51,712
overhead shots are from a few years ago. So I'm

2181
02:12:51,712 --> 02:12:53,392
like, is that what it looks like today or does

2182
02:12:53,392 --> 02:12:55,872
it look better than it looks? No, like yeah, we,

2183
02:12:55,872 --> 02:12:57,632
we, uh, I don't know how many tires we took

2184
02:12:57,632 --> 02:13:01,152
off of there. And Rim like is four tons just

2185
02:13:01,192 --> 02:13:09,143
in rims. Wow. I started counting it. Right. Incredible. No,

2186
02:13:09,143 --> 02:13:10,743
and I can appreciate. I live in Laker Heights neighbourhood

2187
02:13:10,764 --> 02:13:14,241
and I can appreciate that. You know, lots are weird

2188
02:13:14,262 --> 02:13:17,281
shapes. Lots are weird sizes. Some are 0. 81 of

2189
02:13:17,321 --> 02:13:19,241
an acre, summer point four, five of an acre. I

2190
02:13:19,241 --> 02:13:21,581
ran into this same type of variances when I did

2191
02:13:21,581 --> 02:13:24,721
some building there as well. Use property and all usable.

2192
02:13:24,721 --> 02:13:27,841
So it's like flat fish. No, I appreciate that you've

2193
02:13:27,862 --> 02:13:30,801
cleaned up the mess. That was my main concern. There's

2194
02:13:30,841 --> 02:13:33,081
a card. Like she's right into the gardening thing. So

2195
02:13:33,862 --> 02:13:38,755
it's starting to take over. But yeah. So it's good.

2196
02:13:38,755 --> 02:13:40,675
Thank you very much for presenting from us today. I

2197
02:13:40,675 --> 02:13:43,169
know it's not an easy thing to do. Yeah. Thank

2198
02:13:43,169 --> 02:13:50,186
you. Council John. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Sorry. I

2199
02:13:50,226 --> 02:13:53,121
have a question. Okay. And you're doing a good job.

2200
02:13:53,121 --> 02:13:57,981
Thank you. Um, here we go. You mentioned that you

2201
02:13:58,322 --> 02:14:01,021
can visit your neighbourhood. You can appreciate sitting on this

2202
02:14:01,061 --> 02:14:06,843
tied at the table. We hear lots of stories. Um,

2203
02:14:07,584 --> 02:14:10,443
you can visit your neighbourhood. Did you get anything in

2204
02:14:10,443 --> 02:14:12,043
writing from your neighbourhood that you can share with us.

2205
02:14:13,085 --> 02:14:16,632
To show that support. I handed it all in. Because

2206
02:14:16,632 --> 02:14:19,632
I haven't seen any of that. Is there kind of

2207
02:14:19,632 --> 02:14:23,112
confused me too? So I don't know. Is maybe staff

2208
02:14:23,152 --> 02:14:28,154
can comment then. I would have brought somebody. Asked or

2209
02:14:28,495 --> 02:14:30,794
maybe when, when you're done and you goes it down,

2210
02:14:30,794 --> 02:14:32,554
the staff can comment and that at that point in

2211
02:14:32,575 --> 02:14:34,794
that regards. Because certainly I'd like to see some of

2212
02:14:34,794 --> 02:14:37,234
that. Nicole got it in staff should have it. So

2213
02:14:37,775 --> 02:14:40,554
just to me, because it's not just for when you

2214
02:14:40,594 --> 02:14:42,714
live here now, and I know this is your forever

2215
02:14:42,735 --> 02:14:45,314
home, but at some point in time, it's going to

2216
02:14:45,314 --> 02:14:48,684
be someone else's home. And whatever you do today is

2217
02:14:48,865 --> 02:14:50,364
going to be a legacy for the future. And if

2218
02:14:50,364 --> 02:14:54,924
the neighbourhood has articulated acceptance from my end, it becomes

2219
02:14:54,924 --> 02:14:57,286
a little bit easier to accept. Um, but I'm looking

2220
02:14:57,467 --> 02:15:00,966
for some kind of written, because like I said, this

2221
02:15:00,966 --> 02:15:02,406
other tape we do hear things, it's nice to have

2222
02:15:02,427 --> 02:15:04,166
it in writing. Cause if it's in writing from the

2223
02:15:04,166 --> 02:15:08,886
neighbourhood, then we know, right? So, but let's wait and

2224
02:15:08,886 --> 02:15:10,566
see what staff I have to say. They're getting a

2225
02:15:10,606 --> 02:15:12,646
thumbs up. So, um, we'll leave it at that at

2226
02:15:12,686 --> 02:15:14,806
this point in time. Thank you very much. And we'll

2227
02:15:14,846 --> 02:15:17,366
wait to hear how staff responds. Well, and then the

2228
02:15:17,366 --> 02:15:20,966
other point that he mentioned, too, were kind of in

2229
02:15:20,987 --> 02:15:22,806
our valley. So then we got 80 foot trees all

2230
02:15:22,846 --> 02:15:26,646
the way around. You can't even see anything in there.

2231
02:15:26,646 --> 02:15:29,446
Like we're not like, uh, you know, we're, where it's

2232
02:15:29,446 --> 02:15:30,806
a house or a garage and then you can't see

2233
02:15:30,987 --> 02:15:33,846
the lake now. But if something ever happens to some

2234
02:15:33,846 --> 02:15:37,366
of those trees, that changes, right? Trees are also not

2235
02:15:37,366 --> 02:15:40,386
forever. So, um, anyways, let's see. We'll wait to see

2236
02:15:40,386 --> 02:15:44,396
how staff response. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you

2237
02:15:44,417 --> 02:15:53,049
very much. Thank you very much. Uh, just to maybe

2238
02:15:53,089 --> 02:15:55,249
build on that last comma from Counte to beyond. I

2239
02:15:55,249 --> 02:15:58,649
alluded to it in my presentation as best I could.

2240
02:15:58,649 --> 02:16:01,929
But, um, what we received basically is, uh, an indication

2241
02:16:01,929 --> 02:16:05,609
of someone's name signature phone number address. It provides no

2242
02:16:05,649 --> 02:16:08,969
indication of if a variance of 20 metres was proposed

2243
02:16:09,230 --> 02:16:11,609
or two metres was proposed. So as I, as I

2244
02:16:11,649 --> 02:16:13,529
tried to articulate as best I can, you know, once

2245
02:16:13,529 --> 02:16:16,329
again, with that type of groundwork being laid in those

2246
02:16:16,369 --> 02:16:20,009
discussions happening, we received no submissions and opposition, uh, but

2247
02:16:20,049 --> 02:16:22,649
we really do rely on the notification process because we

2248
02:16:22,670 --> 02:16:26,009
can clearly articulate the exact details of the variances to

2249
02:16:26,009 --> 02:16:28,489
those residents. Um, not saying we don't trust the applicant,

2250
02:16:28,489 --> 02:16:30,809
but when we receive this, where it includes no indication

2251
02:16:30,809 --> 02:16:32,889
of what people were signing for, it could have been

2252
02:16:32,929 --> 02:16:35,811
a petition to paint city hall blue. So once again,

2253
02:16:35,851 --> 02:16:37,731
the indication I think here is that we receive no

2254
02:16:37,752 --> 02:16:46,520
opposition from those residents. Yeah. Council Meal. If the comments,

2255
02:16:46,520 --> 02:16:50,120
Mr. Mayor, I'd like to move, uh, staff alternate recommendation

2256
02:16:50,301 --> 02:16:54,306
number one. That the, uh, proposed development variance permit for

2257
02:16:54,487 --> 02:17:01,034
calling 2540 Colleen Road. Be issued. Essentially. So I'd like

2258
02:17:01,034 --> 02:17:06,001
to move, if the seconder for that. It's been second.

2259
02:17:06,001 --> 02:17:08,844
It's been moved in secutive. So that's the first one

2260
02:17:08,865 --> 02:17:14,445
here. Councillor Johnson.

2261
02:17:21,290 --> 02:17:22,869
Oh, I was going to, do you want me to

2262
02:17:22,869 --> 02:17:27,109
just a comment first? So again, again, reason for me

2263
02:17:27,149 --> 02:17:29,989
supporting this recommendation is we're looking at it almost a

2264
02:17:30,010 --> 02:17:33,836
one acre parcel. That the applicants cleaned up. Making it

2265
02:17:33,836 --> 02:17:37,276
look better. This also happens to make the property look

2266
02:17:37,297 --> 02:17:39,196
with this structure being built. I actually think it provides

2267
02:17:39,297 --> 02:17:41,756
value for the neighbourhood that some more things go inside

2268
02:17:42,257 --> 02:17:45,196
and aren't seen outside and allows the applicant to have,

2269
02:17:45,196 --> 02:17:47,676
you know, some storage on quite a large substantial property.

2270
02:17:47,676 --> 02:17:50,316
So that's why I'm going to support this this evening.

2271
02:17:50,316 --> 02:17:53,276
Latewights is a challenging neighbourhood at best to do anything

2272
02:17:53,457 --> 02:17:57,688
in. And we see this big lot, small lots. Large.

2273
02:17:57,688 --> 02:17:59,208
So I'm happy to support this this evening. I think

2274
02:17:59,248 --> 02:18:01,608
it's actually, you know, we haven't, we don't have any

2275
02:18:01,709 --> 02:18:04,248
respondents from the neighbourhood saying, if, if people were upset

2276
02:18:04,248 --> 02:18:05,848
about this in Lakeview Heights, we would have heard about

2277
02:18:05,888 --> 02:18:08,648
it. So, um, I'm happy to support this this evening.

2278
02:18:09,225 --> 02:18:15,754
Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Johnson. Thank you Mr. Mayor.

2279
02:18:15,754 --> 02:18:19,194
Um, I note on the plans question to staff here

2280
02:18:19,615 --> 02:18:22,474
that it says existing slab. So there's already a concrete

2281
02:18:22,575 --> 02:18:26,875
slab in place for the. Full size of this proposed

2282
02:18:27,536 --> 02:18:31,455
structure. Yes. Yeah. And this is a photo from June

2283
02:18:31,636 --> 02:18:33,375
of this year. So to give you an idea of

2284
02:18:33,396 --> 02:18:35,935
the current state of the property and that slab as

2285
02:18:35,935 --> 02:18:42,685
I highlighted is generally under these areas here. Yeah. Okay.

2286
02:18:42,725 --> 02:18:44,445
Thank you. Yeah. So when I look at these things,

2287
02:18:44,445 --> 02:18:46,685
I'm always looking at our resetting a precedent that's going

2288
02:18:46,685 --> 02:18:50,925
to be hard to uphold in the future because we

2289
02:18:50,925 --> 02:18:52,445
don't want to do that. But when I look at

2290
02:18:52,485 --> 02:18:55,885
this, I don't really see this as, as precedent setting,

2291
02:18:55,885 --> 02:18:59,485
um, there was a structure approved from 1983 in this

2292
02:18:59,506 --> 02:19:03,225
exact location. The remnants of which are still intact, uh,

2293
02:19:03,346 --> 02:19:06,685
which will form the basis of that, uh, you know,

2294
02:19:06,946 --> 02:19:10,525
the slab for that building. And so, I mean, and

2295
02:19:10,546 --> 02:19:12,365
based on the fact that it is a poign acre

2296
02:19:12,386 --> 02:19:15,245
parcel, we're not dealing with a quarter acre parcel where

2297
02:19:15,426 --> 02:19:19,645
you would be having, you know, considerable lock coverage comparedly.

2298
02:19:21,581 --> 02:19:25,309
And again, no opposition from the neighbours. And furthermore, just

2299
02:19:25,490 --> 02:19:28,509
the commitment to clean up the property 12 tons of

2300
02:19:28,610 --> 02:19:31,449
garbage. And this has been a problem property in the

2301
02:19:31,449 --> 02:19:36,869
past. Myself, I've heard, uh, complaints about this property. So

2302
02:19:36,869 --> 02:19:40,569
I'm very grateful to see that there's a positive, uh,

2303
02:19:40,930 --> 02:19:45,229
trend towards remediating that property. So I will, I will

2304
02:19:45,269 --> 02:19:50,701
support the proposed motion on the table. Thank you. Any

2305
02:19:50,722 --> 02:19:59,824
additional comments. Okay. So that's an alternate number. One. One.

2306
02:20:00,330 --> 02:20:08,520
Okay. Let's vote on it then. All in favor. Motion

2307
02:20:08,520 --> 02:20:16,574
passes. Okay. Well, that brings us to the end of

2308
02:20:17,875 --> 02:20:20,974
our agenda. No. Oh, sorry about that. Two more. Sorry.

2309
02:20:21,155 --> 02:20:25,934
Two more items left. Is there anything going? Uh, next

2310
02:20:25,934 --> 02:20:30,414
item, Mr. Mayor 9. 12, the Noxious weed bylaw for

2311
02:20:30,414 --> 02:20:37,755
a doctor. Yes. So we have a mover. Do we

2312
02:20:37,755 --> 02:20:39,827
have a mover on that. For adoption. Second year. Oh

2313
02:20:39,968 --> 02:20:46,405
yeah. Be appropriate. And any discussion. Own favor. Oh, sorry.

2314
02:20:46,445 --> 02:20:53,584
Sorry. Council. Um, I would like to know who is

2315
02:20:53,584 --> 02:20:57,664
responsible for removal of these noxious weeds, uh, when it's

2316
02:20:57,704 --> 02:21:02,445
on beachfront. Um, I'm thinking in particular that area that

2317
02:21:02,485 --> 02:21:06,605
has some very, very large concentrations of tree of heaven,

2318
02:21:06,605 --> 02:21:11,325
which is particularly, um, noxious weed, have a lot of,

2319
02:21:11,325 --> 02:21:15,645
uh, stuff in communications from various agencies saying that this,

2320
02:21:15,645 --> 02:21:23,145
uh, particular noxious plant, posing a severe environmental pressure. And

2321
02:21:23,186 --> 02:21:26,045
there will be consequences of encouraging. So I'm wondering if

2322
02:21:26,085 --> 02:21:30,245
it's on beachfront is not involved us, the city, or

2323
02:21:30,245 --> 02:21:33,885
is it the proximal neighbour or who takes care of

2324
02:21:33,925 --> 02:21:37,085
this? Because I see that the penalties here. They don't

2325
02:21:37,085 --> 02:21:40,610
want us putting our foot in penalty for ourselves. I

2326
02:21:40,610 --> 02:21:45,570
don't know. Mr. Pola, through your worship, uh, the councillor,

2327
02:21:45,570 --> 02:21:49,250
uh, if it's on city access point to a beach,

2328
02:21:49,250 --> 02:21:52,210
that is our responsibility. If it is in front of

2329
02:21:52,311 --> 02:21:55,890
a house, it is the owner's responsibility. Cause they own

2330
02:21:56,871 --> 02:22:01,053
portion right down to the high watermark. So, and, and,

2331
02:22:01,053 --> 02:22:04,733
and just so you know, we've already compiling a list

2332
02:22:04,733 --> 02:22:06,573
of areas where we have to go in and do

2333
02:22:06,613 --> 02:22:10,900
some work. Thank you. Thank you, Rich. Okay. Maybe we'll

2334
02:22:10,940 --> 02:22:12,420
just revoke just so we get it right here. So

2335
02:22:12,601 --> 02:22:19,539
all in favor. Is not opposed. That motion carries. Okay.

2336
02:22:19,539 --> 02:22:22,739
Now we go to 11. 1, the notice of motion

2337
02:22:24,120 --> 02:22:26,659
for our councillor, Milzat would like to please read his

2338
02:22:26,699 --> 02:22:31,934
notice of Marshall. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And whereas council

2339
02:22:31,974 --> 02:22:34,574
has indicated through their strategic plan a desire to protect

2340
02:22:34,835 --> 02:22:38,654
and preserve natural assets and the environment, reduce greenhouse gases

2341
02:22:39,075 --> 02:22:42,654
emissions and adapt impacts of climate change. And whereas council

2342
02:22:42,694 --> 02:22:45,374
is aware of the opportunities to partner with BC Hydro

2343
02:22:45,635 --> 02:22:50,414
to explore renewable energy project opportunities. Therefore, be it resolved.

2344
02:22:50,414 --> 02:22:53,854
That staff be directed to investigate opportunities for return on

2345
02:22:53,875 --> 02:22:59,614
investment, renewable energy projects. Thank you very much. And that

2346
02:22:59,654 --> 02:23:03,014
will be considered in the near future. Okay. That brings

2347
02:23:03,054 --> 02:23:06,734
us to the end this time of our meeting. So

2348
02:23:07,275 --> 02:23:10,374
our meeting is adjourned. Our next council meeting is scheduled

2349
02:23:10,395 --> 02:23:15,271
for September 8th. Take care, everybody.