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» All right.

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Now, call to order this meeting of the

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White House City Council for today,

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August 17th, 2026. It is 8:30

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So, I guess it is time for roll call.

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» Mayor Wley

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>> here. Council member Lou

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» here. Council member Lou

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>> Council member Burns

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» Council member Burns

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» here.

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>> Council member Brisco

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» Council member Brisco

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>> Council member Chambers

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» Council member Chambers

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>> Council member Lazar.

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» Council member Lazar.

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>> Thank [snorts] you ma'am. All right. The

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» Thank [snorts] you ma'am. All right. The

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only action item on this agenda is item

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number B which is discuss consideration

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and provide direction on the fiscal year

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2020 627 budget and tax rate. This be

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all we're doing today. We have four

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hours scheduled for this section. So

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feel free to dive in, ask any questions

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necessary. Um, and we kind of have a

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hard problem to solve this time.

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>> We have some state legislative

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changes that came in that removed items

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from our tax role. So although we did,

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you'll see that although we did grow as

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a community over the last year, we also

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had some things kind of taken taken off

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the plate mostly on the business side

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about business business property tax

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reductions.

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But you'll see and I want to thank

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>> Leslie and the staff, Jennifer,

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» Leslie and the staff, Jennifer,

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everybody for

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>> diving in and taking several rounds at

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» diving in and taking several rounds at

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this. This this document in front of

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y'all is a lot of work that they started

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a long time ago and have been keeping an

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eye on everything coming in from the tax

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assessor's office, everything coming in

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from the legislation,

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everything that's been happening with

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our city and it's a snapshot at the

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time. I think that was yesterday of what

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we're working with at the moment. I

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think there's still some final numbers

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we're waiting on. We have some what are

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they called? Disputes or

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>> uh properties under protest.

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» uh properties under protest.

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>> Properties under protest. That window is

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» Properties under protest. That window is

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extended. Like we always have properties

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under protest. That's part of the cycle,

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but there was an extension given to that

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date of when they had to get those in

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and it's overlapping our budgeting

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cycle. So, we don't have a clearest

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picture as we normally do during this

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time. But I think what the staff is

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looking for in this meeting is

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uh given what we know and given what it

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to be what direction the council wants

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to take regarding the budget. So with

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that, I'll hand it over to uh Oh, sorry,

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now. I mean, what's our shortfall to

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what we were planning to do originally?

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>> We're going to walk through some of that

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» We're going to walk through some of that

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because there are some decisions to be

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made. staff has identified some

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potential savings that we can implement.

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we were, where we are now, and then

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where you all would like to head.

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>> But it is quite a different journey than

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» But it is quite a different journey than

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It is a significantly different

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conversation than we've had in years

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Um, so just to kind of reiterate what

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Mayor Wsley had said, what we're going

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to do today is just walk through the

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financial environment affecting the

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budget and why it is so different this

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year. Um, we need to evaluate our

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general fund, service levels, area for

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reduction and particularly public safety

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priorities for the upcoming fiscal year.

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Um, discuss your options with the

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property tax rate and what the

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associated taxpayer impact is. And then

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um we need direction from you all on

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those reductions, additions, and the

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rate um to potentially propose a rate on

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August 10th. I do think you have some

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flexibility if you're not quite ready to

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propose a tax rate on August 10th to

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possibly push that out to the 24th, but

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we'll talk about that as we go through

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today to see where all you think um if

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decision on that or if you would like a

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little bit more time or more

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So, here's kind of look at our timing

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until noon. So, we've got a lot to

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cover. Um, we're going to spend a lot

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more time today than we typically have

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on the tax rate and how that's

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calculated and what factors go into that

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because of such a significant difference

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this year than what we've seen in

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previous years.

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» Um, so I know Mayor Wanley has kind of

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looked at, he and I have discussed, he

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kind of has four different dials that

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he's looking at for how we come to this

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conclusion. Um, for us, for as a staff

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though, the way we've taken it is, you

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know, what level of service should the

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city provide, what reductions are we are

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acceptable, and then what rate supports

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that direction.

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financial environment.

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Um, what we're seeing now is

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significantly more volatility in your

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property tax values than what we've seen

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in the past. So,

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every year we get several different

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numbers from the tax appraisal district.

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certified appraisal rule which we

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receive on July 25th.

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form in your notebooks today. So we

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received that on July 25th. What changed

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this year was our um appraisals grew but

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our net taxable value did not. And so

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there was a new exemption that went into

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effect this year, House Bill 9, which

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increased business business personal

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property tax exemptions from 25,000 to

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longer being on the tax roles. Um, so

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that's a pretty significant difference

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in the property tax revenue. As the

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mayor mentioned, we do have protests.

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time that people have to protest their

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property tax values. So, for the first

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time this year, we have to show about

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$2.1 million in value currently under

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protest in our tax rate calculation form

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that we have not had to do in years

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prior. So, that also impacts your tax

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rate and can make the rate higher

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because you're taking that value out of

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so far? I know it's a lot of a lot of

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words, but we're going to keep keep

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no way for me to know. Oh, you're saying

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total does that represent

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$15,000 between the general fund and

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debt service fund, but it does it does

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that it hasn't before. So,

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have maintenance and operation and

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interest in sinking. And interesting is

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a portion of the property tax that we

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put towards our obligations, our loans

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basically. So when the property tax

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total is reduced,

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that number needs to come up on the INS

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side to reach those obligations. That's

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also a situation we're not normally in.

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properties under valuation this year

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than last year. Is there any need to

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raise the property tax rate and we just

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say no? And that's the behavior we've

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had for the last five years. Um but it's

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a different question this year. We're

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probably going to have to at least put

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something on the INS side so that we can

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meet those debt obligations.

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so to the mayor's point and O which is

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maintenance operations funds our general

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fund which is where we're going to spend

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most of our time today because of the

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change in the financial [clears throat]

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outlook and then INS pays debt service

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so a little bit of history on how we

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calculate debt service because we've

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issued some cos in the past so what we

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normally do when we're looking at

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issuing debt is we have our financial

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advisor to prepare a 30-year outlook

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that is based on your assessed taxable

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values. In the past, that number has

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been relatively close to your net

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taxable value. So, the amount that

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different. There's a big enough

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difference that it has a significant

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impact on the debt rate. Um so based on

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the debt rate would need to increase

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from about 28 cents to

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spreadsheet

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335717.

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So it's about a 5 cent increase on the

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debt rate according to the statuto rate

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calculation sheet and that is what is

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legally required to meet our legal debt

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obligations.

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All right and we'll talk about some

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other things that factor into that. Um

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but as we talk about property tax rates,

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we have the current rate which is the

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2025 2026 fiscal year rate which is

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289852

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for the INS and 428003

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for IMO for a total rate of 717855.

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We use the state rate calculation form

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to calculate the non revenue rate, the

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voter approval rate and the nitimous

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rate. The no new revenue rate is the

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approximate rate that generates the same

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revenue from properties taxed in both

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years excluding new improvements.

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So you say, "Hey, we generated $5.3

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million last year. What rate would we

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charge for $5.3 million this year?" What

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it does not do as well is calculating

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are changes in your statutory debt

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requirements.

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So, if you'll notice in your notebook on

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the rate calculation form, the no new

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revenue rate

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is down below the current year even

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though our um

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valuations went down.

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» [clears throat]

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» So it's going to be on the very last

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page behind your tax rate analysis will

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show your know your revenue rate, your

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vi approval rate and your dividend rate.

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This sign page the last page in the tax

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rate analysis section.

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So you see there the no new revenue rate

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would change our current rate from

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717855

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to 711646.

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The voter approval rate is the rate that

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would generate three and a half% more

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income more revenue

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than your current revenue.

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So that rate goes up almost, let's see,

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it's up 13 cents over the current rate.

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Part of that is because of what we call

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the unused increment rate.

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So as a council, if you adopt a rate

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that is below the voter approval rate,

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the state allocates that as what's

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called an unused increment rate or gone

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revenue, okay, that you could have

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adopted but you did not because we have

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lean operations. We were committed to

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maintaining an overall tax rate. We kept

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costs low.

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Um, so if you flip back one page, you'll

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see the unused increment rate worksheet.

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So lines 64

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through 68

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deal with that unused increment.

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So, what this says is that over the last

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three years,

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because of a strong fiscal commitment

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from the council, you all have foregone

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revenue of $531,397.

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» So, year-over-year, that's a, if I

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remember right, that's a pretty big jump

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in the voter approval rate.

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>> Yeah. What what drives the voter

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» Yeah. What what drives the voter

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approval rate?

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>> It's your unused increment.

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» It's your unused increment.

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>> Okay.

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» Okay.

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>> And three and a half%

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» And three and a half%

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grow.

364
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>> Okay.

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» Okay.

366
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>> Yeah. It's over the past five or six

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» Yeah. It's over the past five or six

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years we've banked that increment,

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>> right?

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» right?

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>> Because

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» Because

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uh we didn't need it, so we didn't ask

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for it. And now because we're at a point

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where we may need it, it's there if we

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want to if we want to use it.

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» So that adds approximate the unused

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increment rate

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adds about seven cents to the voter

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approval rate.

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Then you have the dimminimous rate. So

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for cities under 30,000 in population,

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the state allows for a calculation that

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would result in an additional $500,000

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in general fund revenue, general fund

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and revenue.

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So typically in the past, our

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dimminimous rate has been higher than

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the voter approval rate. They were

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swapped this year because of that unused

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increment rate. an exhibitor approval

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rate higher than the diminous rate. The

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important thing about each of these

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three rates, so the no new revenue rate,

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if you adopt anything over the no new

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revenue rate is considered to be a tax

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increase. Even if you were to adopt the

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same rate that we have today, it's

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considered by the state and the way the

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legislation is written as a tax

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increase.

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If you adopt the lower of the voter

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approval rate or the dimminimous rate,

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it's adopted and there are no further

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steps.

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If you

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in this particular year were to adopt

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above the dimminimous rate, voters would

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have the opportunity to petition for an

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election. If you adopt over the voter

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approval rate, it's an automatic

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election

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>> to the voters. Okay? I just want you to

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» to the voters. Okay? I just want you to

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understand the implications and the

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importance of each of those as we talk

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through today.

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Okay. Our certified appraisal roles this

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year um

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were interesting to say the least and

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most of you have been updated on this

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but I kind of want to I want to cover it

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again um to kind of let you know what we

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have found since we last discussed it

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last year in our certified appraisal

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rules. Um we did see significant growth.

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Um it was not anything that we felt like

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was

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exponential. It was a little bit

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unordinary in the amount of growth that

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we had in business personal property.

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Where it really showed up is when we got

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the appraisal rule for this year. Um so

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last year we had about $40 million in

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business personal property growth.

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This year our business personal property

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growth is down below what we saw in

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2023.

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Uh when I spoke with the chief

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appraiser,

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she indicated that this has to do with

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commercial leases. And so the entire

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value of an entity's commercial lease

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was incorrectly allocated to the city of

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White House when it should have been

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spread across jurisdictions in Smith

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County.

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The good news, if there is any, is that

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all taxpayers were build appropriately

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and the amount of revenue that we

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collected is correct. So, we did not

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overcolct

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property tax revenue. And the way that

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happens, so certified rolls, you know,

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when I'm looking at preparing the budget

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and the tax rate, I get really excited

457
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because I'm like, okay, certified rolls

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are here. We're good to go. we have this

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this number that we can base our next

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year on. It's not really how that works.

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So, it's it's what we base our tax rate

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calculation on and our budget on, but

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that number continues to move throughout

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the end of the year. Um, protests get

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resolved. The um tax assessor collector

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has to send out bills. There's potential

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for errors, corrections, all of those

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things.

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So the appraisal district and the

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assessor realized the error between July

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and October of last year. So the bills

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that went out in October were corrected.

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We weren't notified of that error, but

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um so be it.

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So then we received preliminary values

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in April. I noticed our business

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personal property was down. Then we

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reached out to the chief appraiser.

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Didn't ever really get a good answer.

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Then those House Bill 9 exemptions that

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I talked about earlier were also not

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reflected on preliminary values. So the

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value loss between our preliminary

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values in April and certified ROS in

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July was about $53 million, which is

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significantly more than what we've seen

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in years past.

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Um, so when we received certified rolls

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this July, one thing that we noticed,

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our certified role is up, which means

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that's a combination of new

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construction, growth in property values,

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but for the first time that I've ever

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seen, net taxable value is down.

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that has to do with those exemptions,

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protests, um various other factors,

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which really makes this challenging

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because when you look around and you see

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millions of dollars in property growth,

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but your revenues are decre your net

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taxable value for your revenues are

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decreasing.

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Um my concern is that I think we will

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continue to see this based on what we're

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hearing out of the legislature. I think

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there's a very real push um to continue

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with expanding exemptions, limiting

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revenue growth for cities um and local

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governments.

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>> Yeah. The property taxes collected uh

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» Yeah. The property taxes collected uh

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don't go to the state. So they go to the

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cities, the municipal utility districts,

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the schools, TJC, volunteer fire

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departments. So politically, it's really

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easy for the state to push for

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legislation that doesn't impact them

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financially. They can say, "We're

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reducing your tax rate. We're helping

520
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you out, but they're not doing

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anything." That's a hill that they will

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stand on because they'll never die on

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it. That's not that's not affecting

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their bottom line at all. So, there's no

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empathy there

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uh from the state when it comes to

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pushing this stuff. And there's a lot of

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momentum. The governor's uh action

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points are basically all pointed towards

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that.

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uh abolishing them without a plan just

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like they did these business personal

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property taxes um without a way to say

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you know who you can argue yes or no

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whether it's fair that businesses have

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to pay personal property taxes but it's

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what budgets are built on and taking

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that money away from the county the city

539
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the school TJC municipal fire or

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volunteer fire departments without some

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contingency to help make up at at at

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least for a few years while we figure

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out another way to recoup that is what

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we ran into this year.

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Sorry, got off a tangent.

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>> Both other municipalities are running

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» Both other municipalities are running

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through the same thing.

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>> Absolutely.

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» Absolutely.

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>> Every school, every

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» Every school, every

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>> care about White House, but this is

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» care about White House, but this is

555
00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:32,240
statewide.

556
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:32,630
>> Yeah.

557
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:32,640
» Yeah.

558
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,430
>> I mean, it's it's a business personal

559
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:35,440
» I mean, it's it's a business personal

560
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:36,880
property tax

561
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,029
>> and there's not a huge business presence

562
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:39,039
» and there's not a huge business presence

563
00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:41,120
here in White House. you know, we're

564
00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:42,400
kind of what you'd call a bedroom

565
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:43,760
community where

566
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,350
>> you just imagine how it hits other

567
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:45,360
» you just imagine how it hits other

568
00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:46,559
cities. You know, [snorts] it's going to

569
00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:48,640
be even harder for some of them.

570
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,950
>> Well, and because of the air at the

571
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:50,960
» Well, and because of the air at the

572
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,520
appraisal district's office,

573
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,760
it it ended up being about a 40 or $50

574
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,559
million impact to us on business

575
00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:02,720
personal property value from last year

576
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,760
to this year. So, that's significant.

577
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,760
You combine that with what we're seeing

578
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,200
out of the legislature and that's why

579
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,840
that gap between certified appraisal

580
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,320
role and net tax value, you can see how

581
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,559
that gap has just grown over time

582
00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:21,840
to be more and more significant.

583
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,590
>> And this legislator is fighting with the

584
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:23,600
» And this legislator is fighting with the

585
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,120
appraisal districts on how they do

586
00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:26,880
things. And we're in the middle of that,

587
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,320
too. So, some of the stuff they pass is

588
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,600
a way to reduce property taxes by kind

589
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,520
of hitting them with limitations and

590
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,520
shots. I don't know how they come up

591
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,280
with property tax values. I don't know

592
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,159
why my small lot that my house is on

593
00:22:42,159 --> 00:22:44,960
went from $20,000 to $60,000 this year.

594
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,640
I have no idea how they calculate that

595
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,120
stuff. So, I mean, I have some of the

596
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:50,240
same questions for the appraisal

597
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,679
districts that our state representatives

598
00:22:51,679 --> 00:22:54,080
do, but it's the legislation that is

599
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,919
aimed at them since a lot of times

600
00:22:55,919 --> 00:22:58,320
bleeds over to us, just like legislation

601
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,799
for large cities, you know, to put them

602
00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:03,280
under control winds up affecting all

603
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,240
cities. But this this personal property

604
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,000
tax uh was not was not stepped up, not

605
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000
incremented. It was a big jump from 2500

606
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,520
to 125,000. That's that's pretty big. So

607
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,159
yeah, I'd imagine you'll see this a lot

608
00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:19,280
affect a lot of

609
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,830
>> and and as a senior citizen myself, I

610
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:21,840
» and and as a senior citizen myself, I

611
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,159
was excited as pumpkin pie about

612
00:23:24,159 --> 00:23:26,640
homestead exemption going up. But then

613
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,159
again, there's always a give and a take.

614
00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:41,350
So,

615
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:42,880
so again, this is just kind of talking

616
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,760
about, you know, this budget workshop is

617
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,360
much much later than we've typically

618
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,360
done in years prior. And a lot of that

619
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:52,480
is because forecasting what property tax

620
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,840
revenues are going to look like has

621
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,760
become increasingly challenging with

622
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,400
more exemptions, longer protest period,

623
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,440
legislative challenges. Um, and so all

624
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,159
of that really leads to to much less

625
00:24:04,159 --> 00:24:05,840
certainty than what we've had in the

626
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,400
past. Um, typically I could run the tax

627
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,159
rate calculation off of our preliminary

628
00:24:10,159 --> 00:24:12,000
values and have a relative degree of

629
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,080
comfort where we were going to end up on

630
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,200
property tax revenues. this year it was

631
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,440
anyone's guess.

632
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:20,880
So, and that's what I'm hearing from a

633
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:27,990
lot of other city managers as well. So,

634
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,240
so one of the things in looking through

635
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,360
this is okay, that's the situation that

636
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:34,880
we're in. Those are the rules that we

637
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,080
have to play by. What can we do? Let's

638
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,240
really take a good look at what revenues

639
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,720
we're budgeting, what revenues we're

640
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,279
receiving, and how those perform against

641
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:47,840
each other. So, this chart looks at

642
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,360
three different things. It looks at the

643
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,000
statutory levy, budgeted revenue, and

644
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,039
actual collections. So, the statutory

645
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:57,840
levy is if you took the tax rate that's

646
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,440
on the tax rate calculation sheet

647
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,440
and calculated your revenue. So you took

648
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,400
your net taxable value divided by 100

649
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,559
times your property tax rate. What

650
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:10,880
should you be collecting? Okay. So

651
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,760
that's the column in blue.

652
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,159
The gray is what we budgeted for

653
00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:19,520
revenue. So you can see that since 2022

654
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,000
we have typically budgeted more revenue

655
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,080
than the statutory levy. It's because

656
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,279
some of those protests come back online.

657
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:29,279
um you know that number is again

658
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:31,279
constantly changing and so we end up

659
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,880
collecting more than what the statutory

660
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,520
levy would show. So our budgeted revenue

661
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,000
um is in the gray and then the red is

662
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,640
what we actually collected.

663
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,720
We typically budget less revenue than

664
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,159
what we're going to collect by design.

665
00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:49,679
We want to make a conservative approach

666
00:25:49,679 --> 00:25:51,760
so that if errors are found between July

667
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,799
and October or even after that we make

668
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:57,760
sure that we have enough funds to uh

669
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,279
continue operations but you don't want

670
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:01,360
it to be so much right you want to

671
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,840
collect what you need but not beyond

672
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,480
that. Um so the difference between

673
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,799
actual collections and the statutory

674
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:13,760
level is usually about 90%.

675
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,870
>> Yeah. 80 88 89 91. Yeah.

676
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:16,880
» Yeah. 80 88 89 91. Yeah.

677
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,830
>> Averages out to be about 90%. And then

678
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:19,840
» Averages out to be about 90%. And then

679
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,080
budgeted revenue, we've tried to keep it

680
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:27,760
about 97% of actual collections. So

681
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,760
those calculations are particularly

682
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,760
important this year when it's such a

683
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,159
tight year and we're we're talking about

684
00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:36,960
where that tax rate is going to fall. So

685
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,240
those are kind of the baseline

686
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,919
assumptions that we're working with when

687
00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:41,520
we start talking about tax rate

688
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,120
scenarios. Again, this is just that

689
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:46,960
information.

690
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:52,870
Um,

691
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,840
all right. Any questions about just

692
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,120
basic tax rate information before we

693
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:03,120
move to the general fund? So at the 97%

694
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,960
of the statutory

695
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,640
budgeting that way like we can't get

696
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,320
there yet because we haven't gotten the

697
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,480
full picture from

698
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,039
the tax assessor yet for protest.

699
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:16,640
There's protest and maybe some other

700
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:17,120
stuff.

701
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,750
>> So in the we can because the rate

702
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:19,760
» So in the we can because the rate

703
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,520
calculation says we have to go based on

704
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,640
what we have right now. So we just have

705
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,640
to keep that protest value out.

706
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,630
>> Okay.

707
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:28,640
» Okay.

708
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,799
So, it's POS if that protest value comes

709
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:33,200
in after we set the rate, are those

710
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,640
still funds that are collected by the

711
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,120
city?

712
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:35,669
>> Yes.

713
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:35,679
» Yes.

714
00:27:35,679 --> 00:27:38,710
>> Okay. And that's the 15,000 that you

715
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:38,720
» Okay. And that's the 15,000 that you

716
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,110
>> Yes.

717
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:39,120
» Yes.

718
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:40,710
>> Okay.

719
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:40,720
» Okay.

720
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,669
>> I mean, could things get even worse?

721
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:43,679
» I mean, could things get even worse?

722
00:27:43,679 --> 00:27:44,950
>> Oh, sure.

723
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:44,960
» Oh, sure.

724
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,070
>> I mean, yeah. Okay.

725
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:48,080
» I mean, yeah. Okay.

726
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,269
>> Things can always get worse.

727
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:49,279
» Things can always get worse.

728
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:51,110
>> Oh, I know that.

729
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:51,120
» Oh, I know that.

730
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,909
>> I mean, in the immediate, right, the

731
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:53,919
» I mean, in the immediate, right, the

732
00:27:53,919 --> 00:27:55,600
appraisal district or the assessor could

733
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,279
make an error. There could be a lawsuit

734
00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:58,960
judgement. I mean, as well as

735
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,559
legislative changes. There are any

736
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,279
number of things that could drastically

737
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:04,640
impact [snorts] once we've set this

738
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,880
budget what our revenue looks like. Um

739
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,039
the relative comfort is we do have a

740
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:12,559
fund balance that meets government

741
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:14,720
finance officers association

742
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,200
recommendations of having at least 120

743
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,840
days of operating expenses and reserves.

744
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,399
And then um

745
00:28:22,399 --> 00:28:24,240
fortunately for us, we collect property

746
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,399
tax revenues early in the fiscal year.

747
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:29,279
So if determined to be an error, you

748
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:31,120
have a little bit of time to fix it,

749
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:33,919
make decisions.

750
00:28:33,919 --> 00:28:38,149
>> The 22 33 cent debt that you were

751
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:38,159
» The 22 33 cent debt that you were

752
00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:40,000
talking about, you said that's in the

753
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,279
INS calculation.

754
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:43,314
>> It is.

755
00:28:43,314 --> 00:28:43,324
» It is.

756
00:28:43,324 --> 00:28:43,979
[clears throat]

757
00:28:43,979 --> 00:28:47,590
[snorts]

758
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,669
» Just trying to clean up my notes.

759
00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:55,600
» All right. General fund. Um the line

760
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,320
item budget that is in your notebook is

761
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,080
the same as what you saw at your

762
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,919
previous meeting what we provided. The

763
00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:03,279
only difference is the year-to date

764
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:04,799
numbers have been updated as of

765
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:06,720
yesterday.

766
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,720
So Jennifer worked really hard to keep

767
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,640
that running and updated for all of us.

768
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,200
Um

769
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,990
>> a printed living document. It it is um

770
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:18,000
» a printed living document. It it is um

771
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,000
so what was included in there were the

772
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,320
previously discussed 3% cost of living

773
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,880
adjustment for staff. Um

774
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,880
any increases that are required to

775
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,919
maintain operations as they stand today.

776
00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:34,480
Um so there are no requests no I mean

777
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,120
just cost of supplies have gone up

778
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,840
that's in there. um any previously

779
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,760
approved projects are in there, but

780
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,480
there is there's no other additions in

781
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,799
there.

782
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:49,200
So, right now, where that stands with

783
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,159
the base budget is total revenues of

784
00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:56,070
10,4,98

785
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:01,110
and total expenditures of 10,2,262

786
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,389
for a budgeted surplus of $2,646.

787
00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:10,789
Um,

788
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:12,720
» so it is tight right now.

789
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,430
>> Just those things.

790
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:13,440
» Just those things.

791
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,510
>> $2,000.

792
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,520
» That's pretty squeaky.

793
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,750
>> So, a couple of things. There are some

794
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:21,760
» So, a couple of things. There are some

795
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,919
larger projects that are reflected in

796
00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:26,159
the general fund.

797
00:30:26,159 --> 00:30:28,000
Shahan Park is in there. We'll talk a

798
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,679
little bit in more detail when we get to

799
00:30:29,679 --> 00:30:31,679
the capital planning portion, but we do

800
00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:34,080
anticipate what's shown in there is the

801
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,799
anticipation of the full amount of the

802
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:39,440
grant that we're eligible for. If for

803
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,279
some reason we do not receive that grant

804
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:44,480
or that grant is less, staff will need

805
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,080
to come back to you and we will need to

806
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,720
look at other options for funding that

807
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,120
grant. Um the Rosebrook drainage project

808
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,600
um is supported by a little bit of a

809
00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,000
transfer um from capital funds.

810
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,600
Again, grant revenue you'll see is

811
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,600
significantly higher than prior years

812
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,039
because of the assumption of that

813
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,000
$750,000 grant.

814
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,000
And then some transfers in from capital

815
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,600
funds to help fund some of those

816
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,600
projects.

817
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,000
Um, our primary recurring revenue

818
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,880
sources remain property tax, sales tax,

819
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,399
solid waste, utility franchise fees,

820
00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:24,480
school resource officer funding from the

821
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,000
school.

822
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,520
We do remain the pilot at $225,000

823
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,919
in the base budget. I know over the past

824
00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:33,600
several years, we've worked to reduce

825
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,760
the amount of that pilot. Staff is

826
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,720
recommending keeping it at $225,000 this

827
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,240
year. And then some interesting.

828
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,440
So, understanding the situation that we

829
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,240
were facing with potential revenue

830
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,840
shortfalls

831
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,880
or an extremely tight budget, staff went

832
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,880
back and reviewed the proposed budget

833
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,240
line by line over the last two weeks.

834
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,269
Um, we have identified $43,856

835
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:05,440
worth of reductions that staff feel like

836
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,240
we can make without impacting operations

837
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,960
or service levels. Um, so these are

838
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,640
things like producing professional

839
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,440
memberships, um cleaning up some errors

840
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,080
that may have been in there. We really,

841
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,760
when I say we went through every line,

842
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,799
we went through every line item.

843
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:24,630
>> What's an example of a professional

844
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:24,640
» What's an example of a professional

845
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,600
membership?

846
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,350
>> So, we're a member, the city is a member

847
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:27,360
» So, we're a member, the city is a member

848
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,440
of the National League of Cities, which

849
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,240
is like TML at the national level.

850
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,789
>> Um our interaction with them, we've only

851
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:34,799
» Um our interaction with them, we've only

852
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:36,320
been a member of them for about two

853
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,080
years, but our interaction with them and

854
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,840
the value, we just felt like in a tight

855
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,519
year wasn't there.

856
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:45,440
So reducing some of those.

857
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,960
There are some other things cutting back

858
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,799
on office supplies. Um I've got my list

859
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:57,669
here with that

860
00:32:57,679 --> 00:32:59,600
any software products that we felt like

861
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,279
we could make do with either other

862
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:03,279
programs.

863
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:07,440
Um delaying something. So, we had $3,000

864
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,880
to digitize some maps um of developments

865
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,080
and neighborhoods. And so, we felt like

866
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,720
we could delay that or hold off on that

867
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,120
um in a tight budget year before moving

868
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,120
forward with that. Um so, those things

869
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,720
that staff felt like we could either

870
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,240
defer and delay until such time as we

871
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,679
felt it was important to get it in

872
00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:28,720
there.

873
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,950
>> Can I ask you a quick philosophic

874
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:30,960
» Can I ask you a quick philosophic

875
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,080
question? So you keep saying uh in a

876
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,840
tight budget here and so is the mindset

877
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,440
that we're just trying to get through

878
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,600
this year or is the mindset that this is

879
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,559
the new normal and that we need to start

880
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:46,240
trying to make adjustments for a

881
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,519
long-term shift.

882
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:50,230
>> It's the new normal and it's something

883
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:50,240
» It's the new normal and it's something

884
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,679
we're going to face from now on.

885
00:33:51,679 --> 00:33:54,549
>> So like delaying things is it's either

886
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:54,559
» So like delaying things is it's either

887
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:56,559
now or later you're going to end up

888
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:59,600
having to reabsorb that. So digitizing

889
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,000
maps though that we've had

890
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,350
>> for five or 10 years would be nice. It's

891
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:05,360
» for five or 10 years would be nice. It's

892
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,840
not mission critical for most of our

893
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,639
citizens. That impact is not going to be

894
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:11,359
felt.

895
00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:12,950
>> And what do we feel the overall

896
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:12,960
» And what do we feel the overall

897
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,560
shortfall is? That's where I'm trying to

898
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,560
get to. So

899
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,909
>> just one

900
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:17,919
» just one

901
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:21,030
>> um as we move through this staff is

902
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:21,040
» um as we move through this staff is

903
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,960
coming with a recommendation to fund an

904
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,800
additional investigator, an additional

905
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,399
firefighter, and the replacement of our

906
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:29,760
police officer tasers. Um that net

907
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,720
impact is about $200,000

908
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:35,040
if we implement these savings that staff

909
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,560
is recommending.

910
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,710
>> And if we don't implement these savings,

911
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:38,720
» And if we don't implement these savings,

912
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:43,109
>> if we don't, it's closer to I think 300

913
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:43,119
» if we don't, it's closer to I think 300

914
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,280
300,000.

915
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,560
And and this is with the advent of uh

916
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,159
neighborhood expansion growth even with

917
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:53,520
all that.

918
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,510
>> So that that's one of the

919
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:55,520
» So that that's one of the

920
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,030
>> some cities are stagnant.

921
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:57,040
» some cities are stagnant.

922
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,349
>> Well, the hurdle is we have population

923
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:59,359
» Well, the hurdle is we have population

924
00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:00,079
growth.

925
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:00,470
>> Yeah.

926
00:35:00,470 --> 00:35:00,480
» Yeah.

927
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,870
>> And no revenue growth

928
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:02,880
» And no revenue growth

929
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:09,670
>> to provide for additional personnel.

930
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:09,920
Yeah,

931
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,270
>> but it is.

932
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:11,280
» but it is.

933
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,670
>> So, I guess where I'm at is, you know,

934
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:13,680
» So, I guess where I'm at is, you know,

935
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,359
I'm not interested in going backwards

936
00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:17,359
with all the progress we've made. So,

937
00:35:17,359 --> 00:35:19,520
I'd like to understand as we get more

938
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,599
into this what we need to do to not go

939
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,000
backwards and hold what we got while

940
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,680
still preparing for the next couple

941
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,119
years at the same time.

942
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:27,910
>> Same.

943
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:27,920
» Same.

944
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,750
>> And if it's a new normal, find a way to

945
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:29,760
» And if it's a new normal, find a way to

946
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,920
keep going forward, too. So,

947
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,190
>> if digitizing maps is necessary to help

948
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:35,200
» if digitizing maps is necessary to help

949
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,119
make and zoning and building and

950
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,359
anything, you know, along those lines

951
00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:44,320
possible and current, you know, kind of

952
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,839
modern.

953
00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:49,680
Uh, yeah, I could see that as something

954
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,920
that we need. So, we have 50 how many

955
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,440
full-time employees? I think we saw in

956
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:53,760
here

957
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,270
>> 55 full time.

958
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:55,280
» 55 full time.

959
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,510
>> There was 55.75 or something. There was

960
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:57,520
» There was 55.75 or something. There was

961
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:57,760
a

962
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,670
>> we had some part [laughter] time

963
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:59,680
» we had some part [laughter] time

964
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,079
part-time employees and fire parttime in

965
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,240
city center. I got eight

966
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:07,190
>> and and all this is contingent. There's

967
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:07,200
» and and all this is contingent. There's

968
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,079
not

969
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:09,270
>> it's not based on workload.

970
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:09,280
» it's not based on workload.

971
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,550
>> It has nothing to do with any personnel

972
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:12,560
» It has nothing to do with any personnel

973
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,320
reductions.

974
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,710
>> So there's there are no personnel

975
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:16,720
» So there's there are no personnel

976
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:19,520
reductions recommended at this time.

977
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,640
If you wanted to keep the same tax rate

978
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,480
that we have today,

979
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,630
>> my opinion is the only way we could get

980
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:26,640
» my opinion is the only way we could get

981
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,960
there would be to either we would have

982
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,640
to cut staff

983
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,870
>> or you would have to cut a significant

984
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:34,880
» or you would have to cut a significant

985
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,599
I mean I have a list here that totals

986
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:39,760
about $300,000

987
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,640
that um would cut everything from

988
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,560
national night out Christmas on Maine um

989
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,240
any work that we do with any other

990
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:51,760
organizations.

991
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,069
>> Those aren't even options.

992
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:54,079
» Those aren't even options.

993
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:54,470
>> Yeah.

994
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:54,480
» Yeah.

995
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,109
>> Okay.

996
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:55,119
» Okay.

997
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:56,390
>> But [laughter] what I was getting to,

998
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:56,400
» But [laughter] what I was getting to,

999
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,870
>> but but in all fairness,

1000
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:58,880
» but but in all fairness,

1001
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,790
>> I mean, if anybody disagrees, I mean,

1002
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:02,800
» I mean, if anybody disagrees, I mean,

1003
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,470
>> we can talk about the cuts or what we

1004
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:04,480
» we can talk about the cuts or what we

1005
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,800
could do, but I'd rather focus on what

1006
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,240
we need to do to stay home.

1007
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,230
>> And that's the direction that we need um

1008
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:12,240
» And that's the direction that we need um

1009
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,240
as a staff. So we had we had kind of

1010
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,320
looked at all options. You know, if you

1011
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,599
want to cut services to maintain tax

1012
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:21,680
rate, what does that look like?

1013
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,430
>> If you want to maintain just what we

1014
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:23,440
» If you want to maintain just what we

1015
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,320
have today, I would argue that not

1016
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,480
funding a police investigator and

1017
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,280
firefighter would would deteriorate

1018
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,359
services as we continue to grow.

1019
00:37:33,359 --> 00:37:34,550
>> Yeah, we're already we're already

1020
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:34,560
» Yeah, we're already we're already

1021
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,920
understaffed on the police side

1022
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,040
according to FBI.

1023
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,829
>> Those are things that have to happen to

1024
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:39,839
» Those are things that have to happen to

1025
00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:40,310
>> Okay.

1026
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:40,320
» Okay.

1027
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,430
>> Yeah. Same. So that as I was saying the

1028
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:43,440
» Yeah. Same. So that as I was saying the

1029
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,880
the things that we're cutting like

1030
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,040
digitizing things those seem like tools

1031
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,920
and resources that would help leverage

1032
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,079
the tight staff that we have like only

1033
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,960
54 employees if access to those things

1034
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,280
being digitized or any software tools

1035
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,640
out there to help them perform more

1036
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,200
efficiently. That's I mean that's still

1037
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,680
better than hiring another person

1038
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,560
full-time with benefits to you know help

1039
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,240
them help take the load off the people

1040
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:09,920
that are there. And I think that's a

1041
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,760
strategy economic advantage,

1042
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,069
>> you know, and cutting out TML or

1043
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:14,079
» you know, and cutting out TML or

1044
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:15,839
different types, you know, I just that

1045
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:17,520
didn't make any sense to me. I mean,

1046
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,359
we're we're a growing [clears throat]

1047
00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:20,640
progressive city and we got to figure

1048
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:20,880
out

1049
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:21,750
>> we're a very healthy.

1050
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:21,760
» we're a very healthy.

1051
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,270
>> We got to figure out how to we got to

1052
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:23,280
» We got to figure out how to we got to

1053
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,480
figure out how to fund it.

1054
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,581
>> Yeah.

1055
00:38:27,591 --> 00:38:28,160
[clears throat]

1056
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,550
>> Well, that sounds like pretty

1057
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:30,560
» Well, that sounds like pretty

1058
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,920
our sales tax is maxed out in it.

1059
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:34,390
>> Yes.

1060
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:34,400
» Yes.

1061
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,430
>> Yeah.

1062
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:35,440
» Yeah.

1063
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,390
>> Okay. So, mute deal. Okay.

1064
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:38,400
» Okay. So, mute deal. Okay.

1065
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,109
>> Yeah. We are at the statutory limit on

1066
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:41,119
» Yeah. We are at the statutory limit on

1067
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:42,320
sales tax

1068
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,150
>> and the state hadn't taken that away

1069
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:44,160
» and the state hadn't taken that away

1070
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,880
from us yet. [laughter]

1071
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,270
>> We still grow in sales tax

1072
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:49,280
» We still grow in sales tax

1073
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,430
>> to projected final tax rate. So with the

1074
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:53,440
» to projected final tax rate. So with the

1075
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,280
300

1076
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:01,040
K M and then the the 28 to 33 C IMS

1077
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:06,160
which I guess was the the actual

1078
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:11,109
summary of the calculation

1079
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:17,829
» up here. It's not in there.

1080
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:19,520
So this is a rate calculation [snorts]

1081
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,560
looking at several different scenarios,

1082
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,720
but I do have one in here

1083
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:30,230
>> high that we can kind of take a look at

1084
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:30,240
» high that we can kind of take a look at

1085
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:30,960
and see

1086
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,310
>> public safety rate

1087
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:32,320
» public safety rate

1088
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,550
>> that was the rate with the cut staff

1089
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:34,560
» that was the rate with the cut staff

1090
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,480
identified that it would take to fund

1091
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,000
those public safety invest firefighter

1092
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,880
and tasers. So that is not that takes

1093
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,440
into account the staff reductions that

1094
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,440
we were recommending. If we add those

1095
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,480
back in that's another $75,000

1096
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,599
roughly that we would need to generate.

1097
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:57,190
>> So that would be closer to $278,000

1098
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:57,200
» So that would be closer to $278,000

1099
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,560
which is what we need to generate.

1100
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,349
>> So to be clear, there's no real decision

1101
00:40:01,349 --> 00:40:01,359
» So to be clear, there's no real decision

1102
00:40:01,359 --> 00:40:05,680
council has to make regarding INS. It's

1103
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,839
basically just based on our legal

1104
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:09,839
obligations to debt service.

1105
00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:11,589
>> Yeah. I mean indirectly because your

1106
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:11,599
» Yeah. I mean indirectly because your

1107
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:14,880
overall tax rate has to include making

1108
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,520
up for that gap in INS.

1109
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,030
>> Understood.

1110
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:19,040
» Understood.

1111
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:19,750
>> Understood.

1112
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:19,760
» Understood.

1113
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,790
>> I mean, could we could we maybe be

1114
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:22,800
» I mean, could we could we maybe be

1115
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,280
better off than maybe what we think

1116
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,240
with even anticipating

1117
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:33,200
additional growth next year

1118
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,920
or is this pretty much it's pretty much

1119
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,160
that's the way it's the way it is. You

1120
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,440
mean estimating like

1121
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,349
>> yeah additional neighborhood growth,

1122
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:41,359
» yeah additional neighborhood growth,

1123
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:44,240
property expansion.

1124
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:45,910
>> So typically your additional property

1125
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:45,920
» So typically your additional property

1126
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,599
growth does not keep up with the growing

1127
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:51,839
needs that we have particularly because

1128
00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:55,040
we are so far behind on staffing right

1129
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,720
now. I don't want to say behind. We're

1130
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:00,880
so lean on staffing currently. um that

1131
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,359
even in a

1132
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:05,440
really great year where we may have I

1133
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:06,800
think the highest since I've been here

1134
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,119
was I don't know 38 million in new

1135
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:12,640
construction but even then you know 38

1136
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:21,990
million in new construction

1137
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,040
let's say at a M rate of 447045

1138
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,520
you know that 40 million in a new

1139
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,720
construction. So that's probably

1140
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:34,319
I don't know how many homes that would

1141
00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:35,680
be

1142
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,710
>> four. [laughter]

1143
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:38,720
» four. [laughter]

1144
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:39,750
>> It would be an issue.

1145
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:39,760
» It would be an issue.

1146
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,390
>> That only generates $170,000. I can't

1147
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:42,400
» That only generates $170,000. I can't

1148
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,760
even put an officer on the street,000.

1149
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:46,150
>> Yeah.

1150
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:46,160
» Yeah.

1151
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,510
>> Between $150.

1152
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:47,520
» Between $150.

1153
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,829
>> Oh, just because of fully

1154
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:49,839
» Oh, just because of fully

1155
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:52,790
>> equipment benefits. I mean, just all the

1156
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:52,800
» equipment benefits. I mean, just all the

1157
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,040
things. So what I was talking to one of

1158
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,359
our developers here who sold 30 houses

1159
00:41:57,359 --> 00:41:59,599
the year before last and this last year

1160
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:01,440
he sold five.

1161
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:01,750
>> So

1162
00:42:01,750 --> 00:42:01,760
» So

1163
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,349
>> so that's that's where the market was

1164
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:03,359
» so that's that's where the market was

1165
00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:05,680
last year.

1166
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,510
>> The [clears throat] total

1167
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:07,520
» The [clears throat] total

1168
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,990
>> the big one with everything included the

1169
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:10,000
» the big one with everything included the

1170
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,109
300

1171
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:16,720
» this tells me that EDC

1172
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:18,630
>> EDC

1173
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:18,640
» EDC

1174
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,230
>> um

1175
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:20,240
» um

1176
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:22,470
>> and that's the lower of the two. So no

1177
00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:22,480
» and that's the lower of the two. So no

1178
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,640
petition.

1179
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:29,589
>> This tells me that okay

1180
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:29,599
» This tells me that okay

1181
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:31,909
this tells me that EDC has a

1182
00:42:31,909 --> 00:42:32,480
[clears throat]

1183
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,400
extra even bigger responsibility.

1184
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,950
>> I mean it is

1185
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:38,960
» I mean it is

1186
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,359
pertinent. It's very important.

1187
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:43,190
>> Yeah. Those are I mean the things that

1188
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:43,200
» Yeah. Those are I mean the things that

1189
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,680
EDC does today is 10 years out probably.

1190
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,440
You're not going to you're not going to

1191
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,200
crank it up today and [clears throat]

1192
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,280
get revenue off. Give me an example of

1193
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,400
where that's different. It's not that

1194
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,079
way in Tyler. It's not that way in Long

1195
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:56,160
View. It's not that way in Kilgore.

1196
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,829
>> The land they bought, the land that the

1197
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:57,839
» The land they bought, the land that the

1198
00:42:57,839 --> 00:42:59,280
Amazon was built on

1199
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,829
>> was purchased 25 years ago.

1200
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:01,839
» was purchased 25 years ago.

1201
00:43:01,839 --> 00:43:03,589
>> Okay.

1202
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:03,599
» Okay.

1203
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:04,720
Still important.

1204
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:05,670
>> Absolutely.

1205
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:05,680
» Absolutely.

1206
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,589
>> And I think they're throwing all the gas

1207
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:07,599
» And I think they're throwing all the gas

1208
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:09,040
on it.

1209
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,790
>> But those are things that you plant and

1210
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:10,800
» But those are things that you plant and

1211
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,119
they it takes a while before they they

1212
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:14,960
come forward. I know they're seeking out

1213
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,240
every opportunity that comes their way

1214
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:18,480
and finding some that weren't discovered

1215
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,750
otherwise.

1216
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,920
So, this custom scenario is probably the

1217
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,520
one that's closest um to if we did not

1218
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,440
make the staff recommended cuts and

1219
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,839
provided those additional public safety

1220
00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:36,710
positions. Um,

1221
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:38,480
which would still be below both the

1222
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,119
dimminimus and the voter approval rate.

1223
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:44,240
Um, so the average homestead in White

1224
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:49,270
House is valued at about $272,000.

1225
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,440
Um so if you were to adopt that rate as

1226
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,920
compared to

1227
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,800
let's do we need to do at least a

1228
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,119
increase the only rate because that is

1229
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,599
what is required would be about $87 per

1230
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:06,720
household per year

1231
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:18,630
>> per year to go to the 79

1232
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,400
And that's that's well below the voter

1233
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,150
approval rate. Is that

1234
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,640
» number of the two?

1235
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,589
>> Yeah, it was was lower two this year.

1236
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:29,599
» Yeah, it was was lower two this year.

1237
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:30,069
>> There.

1238
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:30,079
» There.

1239
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:31,510
>> So that's not even using everything we

1240
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:31,520
» So that's not even using everything we

1241
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,079
banked up over the last

1242
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:35,750
>> that's

1243
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:35,760
» that's

1244
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,760
a little sidebar.

1245
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,901
>> Our staff is fantastic.

1246
00:44:42,911 --> 00:44:45,510
» [clears throat and cough]

1247
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,720
» Um, I will say so staff had a whole list

1248
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,480
of other [laughter]

1249
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,920
identified projects too for

1250
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,160
consideration. I've we've only included

1251
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,079
those top three here. Um,

1252
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:03,040
we can take a look at those other items.

1253
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,270
>> What's the realistic timing on Shahan

1254
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:05,280
» What's the realistic timing on Shahan

1255
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,400
Park? Um, we were supposed to find out

1256
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,280
about the grant.

1257
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,670
>> So, uh, grant is application is

1258
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:11,680
» So, uh, grant is application is

1259
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,079
submitted. We should hear if we get it

1260
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:15,599
right after the first of the year,

1261
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:18,640
sometime in January. Um, they really

1262
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,880
won't start awarding any money until the

1263
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,440
springtime, probably Mayish, Juneish.

1264
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,000
So, ideally, that would be a good

1265
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,040
construction start time be early summer

1266
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,839
next year. What fun?

1267
00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:34,150
>> We won't be we won't be spending that

1268
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:34,160
» We won't be we won't be spending that

1269
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,470
>> part be spending that 1.4 for

1270
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:38,480
» part be spending that 1.4 for

1271
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,400
much of it in this next fiscal year for

1272
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,319
us,

1273
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:44,390
>> right? It would be

1274
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:44,400
» right? It would be

1275
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:45,910
>> next year.

1276
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:45,920
» next year.

1277
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,309
>> It would be Yeah, a bulk of it would be

1278
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:48,319
» It would be Yeah, a bulk of it would be

1279
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:49,119
probably

1280
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:50,870
>> So, is any are any of those funds

1281
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:50,880
» So, is any are any of those funds

1282
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,599
potentially a surplus for us this year?

1283
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:55,270
>> Well, they're the next I don't want to

1284
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:55,280
» Well, they're the next I don't want to

1285
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,240
cut the part.

1286
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:59,109
>> I think I think part of the question if

1287
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:59,119
» I think I think part of the question if

1288
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:01,280
if we don't get it, would we start

1289
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,319
earlier?

1290
00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:03,030
>> Right.

1291
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:03,040
» Right.

1292
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,960
start January or February or something,

1293
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,079
but

1294
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:09,349
>> but it's our same budget. It's it's the

1295
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:09,359
» but it's our same budget. It's it's the

1296
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:11,520
same fiscal year if it's starting in

1297
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,119
January of next year,

1298
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:14,069
>> right? Okay.

1299
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:14,079
» right? Okay.

1300
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:16,150
>> So, yeah, that'll go through October of

1301
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:16,160
» So, yeah, that'll go through October of

1302
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,599
next year.

1303
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:21,510
>> Yeah.

1304
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,119
But yeah, that's a good that's a good

1305
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:24,160
question.

1306
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,990
>> And this is a good chart right here. I

1307
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:26,000
» And this is a good chart right here. I

1308
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:26,880
like it.

1309
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,150
>> Um, so this is a list of potential

1310
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:30,160
» Um, so this is a list of potential

1311
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,040
projects. So the way staff approaches

1312
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,560
our budget every year is we go through

1313
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,160
and do our base budget. What do we need

1314
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,760
to maintain what we have today? And then

1315
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,812
what would be operational improvements

1316
00:46:40,812 --> 00:46:41,359
[snorts]

1317
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:43,680
and then we went through and ranked

1318
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,839
every project against every other

1319
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:49,040
project and spent about half a day

1320
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,480
pulling this list together. Um a lot of

1321
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,119
cities call these wish lists. I don't

1322
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:56,532
think there's anything on here that's a

1323
00:46:56,532 --> 00:46:58,319
[snorts] wish and not a need at some

1324
00:46:58,319 --> 00:47:00,319
point.

1325
00:47:00,319 --> 00:47:03,359
But our needs are always greater than um

1326
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:08,309
>> how many tasers is $60,000 worth?

1327
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:08,319
» how many tasers is $60,000 worth?

1328
00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:10,230
>> That fun

1329
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:10,240
» That fun

1330
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:13,920
20 and it's for five years. So it's 16

1331
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,760
for five years.

1332
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,109
>> Oh, it's 16 per year for

1333
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:19,119
» Oh, it's 16 per year for

1334
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:25,910
>> we do 16 per year for five years.

1335
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,200
They're not being repaired since

1336
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,880
January.

1337
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,079
of this year and

1338
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:33,119
it just so happened that we were going

1339
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:34,880
with the five year point as well.

1340
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,309
>> And the difference between a good taser

1341
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:36,319
» And the difference between a good taser

1342
00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:38,800
and a bad taser is a lethal stopping

1343
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,720
mechanism and a non-lethal stopping

1344
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:41,760
mechanism. We want them to be

1345
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,040
non-lethal.

1346
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:43,910
>> Less lethal.

1347
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:43,920
» Less lethal.

1348
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,069
>> Yes. Less lethal.

1349
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:46,079
» Yes. Less lethal.

1350
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:47,430
>> All four. [clears throat]

1351
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:47,440
» All four. [clears throat]

1352
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,510
>> They're they're all functional. Um, but

1353
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:51,520
» They're they're all functional. Um, but

1354
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,920
some of the

1355
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,480
uh digital readouts on them have the

1356
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,680
LEDs have gone away and a couple of the

1357
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,200
laser pointers have gone away and we've

1358
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,560
taken those and put it into

1359
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,480
positions

1360
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,480
investigated whether or not it's likely

1361
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,119
to be used but they're we've got five

1362
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:12,560
that I would put on the street right

1363
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,119
now. And the grant funding opportunities

1364
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:16,160
that are there for some of the police

1365
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,760
equipment is not there for tasers

1366
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,920
because they're considered lethal

1367
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,920
weapons at least through Edco's

1368
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,440
mechanism.

1369
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,069
>> There's

1370
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:26,079
» There's

1371
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:28,720
not down jump on no there there's some

1372
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:30,720
legislation to try to get that corrected

1373
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:33,440
but by the way they fire is through an

1374
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,240
explosive and so they consider it to be

1375
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,559
like

1376
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:41,270
>> they're trying to get that correct.

1377
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:41,280
» they're trying to get that correct.

1378
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,040
Um, and mayor and council, I know you

1379
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,559
all know this, but I'd be remiss if I

1380
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:46,160
didn't say it. When staff is looking at

1381
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,240
this and we got the certified rolls and

1382
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:51,760
started looking at cuts, this this team

1383
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,760
went through and when I saw you, you

1384
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,200
know, the chief is like, we could make

1385
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,760
do with this many tasers, you know, and

1386
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,680
reducing that and just trying to find a

1387
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,240
way to make that work. Um, so I really

1388
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,640
appreciate their efforts in this and um,

1389
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,480
every single person came to the table

1390
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,280
willing to say we can take up slack

1391
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,880
here, we can do without here. Um, so we

1392
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,319
appreciate you all supporting that,

1393
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:17,520
understanding that um, and and really

1394
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,599
giving us the direction to keep moving

1395
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:22,480
moving forward.

1396
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,640
number

1397
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,480
uh 11

1398
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,040
fire truck or excuse me

1399
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,190
>> what is that like a brush truck

1400
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:33,200
» what is that like a brush truck

1401
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,150
>> essentially yes

1402
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:34,160
» essentially yes

1403
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,109
>> I mean that'll help us a lot would it

1404
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:37,119
» I mean that'll help us a lot would it

1405
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,109
>> save that pumper from having started

1406
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:39,119
» save that pumper from having started

1407
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:39,520
maybe

1408
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,510
>> the

1409
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:41,520
» the

1410
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:47,030
it would be a definite

1411
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,079
» corner

1412
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:49,510
>> with our growth

1413
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:49,520
» with our growth

1414
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,589
>> and we're going closer to the edge of

1415
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:51,599
» and we're going closer to the edge of

1416
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:53,920
town opportunity.

1417
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,750
>> See at the bottom right it's one point

1418
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:55,760
» See at the bottom right it's one point

1419
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:03,349
or one million

1420
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:06,960
» um so anything goes right we can say

1421
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,400
jump in

1422
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,630
>> yeah that's none of these are in the

1423
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:10,640
» yeah that's none of these are in the

1424
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,480
budget right? No.

1425
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,990
>> Right. Yeah. As long as it's budget

1426
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:14,000
» Right. Yeah. As long as it's budget

1427
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:14,319
related.

1428
00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:15,829
>> And you went

1429
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:15,839
» And you went

1430
00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:16,549
>> three now.

1431
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:16,559
» three now.

1432
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:20,390
>> Top three.

1433
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,079
» So the the new city hall and all that is

1434
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:25,280
not

1435
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,230
>> is not.

1436
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:26,240
» is not.

1437
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:27,910
>> So that's separate. Those are capital

1438
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:27,920
» So that's separate. Those are capital

1439
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,880
funds, not operating funds. Okay. Um so

1440
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,160
we do have in there for the design of

1441
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,480
city hall and fire station.

1442
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,349
>> Uh library funding.

1443
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:39,359
» Uh library funding.

1444
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:42,240
I I stuck it on this list at the bottom

1445
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:44,079
um because we hadn't talked about that

1446
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:46,400
when staff did this ranking. So, it's on

1447
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,960
there as a consideration. But um

1448
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,230
>> but we're currently giving them what

1449
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:50,240
» but we're currently giving them what

1450
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:51,200
48,000

1451
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,710
>> 49,000.

1452
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:52,720
» 49,000.

1453
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:55,109
>> And in total to all organizations, we

1454
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:55,119
» And in total to all organizations, we

1455
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:59,440
give 74. So, they make up

1456
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,710
>> two3.

1457
00:51:00,710 --> 00:51:00,720
» two3.

1458
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,190
>> Are we going through all these funds or

1459
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:03,200
» Are we going through all these funds or

1460
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,400
we just kind of like picking stuff up?

1461
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,549
>> That's up to you. I think we got to go

1462
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:08,559
» That's up to you. I think we got to go

1463
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:10,319
with what the recommendation is on the

1464
00:51:10,319 --> 00:51:12,319
priority list as far as

1465
00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:13,990
>> I think the top three.

1466
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:14,000
» I think the top three.

1467
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,270
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1468
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:15,280
» Yeah. Yeah.

1469
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,710
>> Yeah.

1470
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:16,720
» Yeah.

1471
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:19,030
>> What about increasing?

1472
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:19,040
» What about increasing?

1473
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,760
Let's take the wreck.

1474
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,559
Um, you know, if you have major repairs

1475
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:26,480
at the wreck, the city will kick in

1476
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,000
money to help pay for

1477
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,400
major repair, right? Like a

1478
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,349
>> it's over HVAC system or something like

1479
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:35,359
» it's over HVAC system or something like

1480
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:35,680
that.

1481
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,750
>> Yeah. We're the landlords basically. I

1482
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:37,760
» Yeah. We're the landlords basically. I

1483
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,190
>> just wonder if we need to raise that up

1484
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:39,200
» just wonder if we need to raise that up

1485
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,200
a little bit more. I mean, do we have

1486
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,680
any do we know what do we know anything

1487
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,359
about their books?

1488
00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:46,390
>> I do not.

1489
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:46,400
» I do not.

1490
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,470
>> Yeah. Are we entitled to

1491
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:48,480
» Yeah. Are we entitled to

1492
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:49,589
>> um I can request it?

1493
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:49,599
» um I can request it?

1494
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:52,549
>> I just wondered, you know, Miss Leslie.

1495
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:52,559
» I just wondered, you know, Miss Leslie.

1496
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,920
Uh and and guys, don't I love the wreck.

1497
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,680
I love the wreck. I love the library. I

1498
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,119
love all this stuff. Uh but like keep

1499
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:04,960
white house beautiful, we give $4,000

1500
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,200
with eight $18,000 500 balance in your

1501
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,640
books.

1502
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:11,990
>> Do we have Do we give to them every

1503
00:52:11,990 --> 00:52:12,000
» Do we have Do we give to them every

1504
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,000
year?

1505
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:19,349
>> Oh, we do, but it's $3,000 or something.

1506
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:19,359
» Oh, we do, but it's $3,000 or something.

1507
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:23,270
>> Can we go through nine or nine and 10

1508
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:23,280
» Can we go through nine or nine and 10

1509
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,720
briefly?

1510
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:29,359
So the street condition assessment is

1511
00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:32,160
does that set us up to understand our

1512
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,839
future uh maintenance cost?

1513
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:38,870
>> It would um we had a company TJ had a

1514
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:38,880
» It would um we had a company TJ had a

1515
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,920
company come come in and do a demo and I

1516
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,839
can show you what some of that reporting

1517
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:46,160
looks like. And while she's pulling that

1518
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,160
up, so when I first started on council,

1519
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,559
you you'll remember that we had we had

1520
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:52,720
to take out a loan because we had so

1521
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:54,559
many streets that needed repair because

1522
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:57,280
we didn't identify cracks which caused

1523
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,119
drainage under it and you wind up having

1524
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:01,040
to dig them up and resurface them.

1525
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:01,589
>> That one

1526
00:53:01,589 --> 00:53:01,599
» That one

1527
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:02,549
>> being proactive.

1528
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:02,559
» being proactive.

1529
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:04,710
>> Just what's on there concerns me the way

1530
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:04,720
» Just what's on there concerns me the way

1531
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:06,400
that it's worded.

1532
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,190
>> So

1533
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:07,200
» So

1534
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,670
>> you talk about sil coat maybe preventive

1535
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:09,680
» you talk about sil coat maybe preventive

1536
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:10,160
maintenance.

1537
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,069
>> Exactly. when things are cracked, if

1538
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:12,079
» Exactly. when things are cracked, if

1539
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:13,599
water is getting under the surface and

1540
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:15,040
creating potholes.

1541
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,510
>> And then I for me the license plate

1542
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:17,520
» And then I for me the license plate

1543
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,280
readers like that's another one that's

1544
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,839
particularly

1545
00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:24,470
>> I don't know but

1546
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:24,480
» I don't know but

1547
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,040
around schools particularly like I think

1548
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,319
that that's kind of a

1549
00:53:30,319 --> 00:53:32,480
there are maps you can look at in places

1550
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,742
you don't want them to go. So

1551
00:53:36,742 --> 00:53:37,359
[clears throat]

1552
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:39,829
>> um and the cost of this is actually less

1553
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:39,839
» um and the cost of this is actually less

1554
00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:44,640
than is shown um on that sheet because

1555
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,079
they came in quite a bit cheaper than

1556
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:47,760
your first correct

1557
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,109
>> than the 60,000.

1558
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:49,119
» than the 60,000.

1559
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:49,990
>> Yes sir.

1560
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:50,000
» Yes sir.

1561
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,549
>> Even Tercon the other company that we

1562
00:53:52,549 --> 00:53:52,559
» Even Tercon the other company that we

1563
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:54,400
did that's not them. They came in

1564
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,000
cheaper as well because they both have

1565
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,760
the automated vehicles

1566
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,910
>> that do it in brand was going to be

1567
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:59,920
» that do it in brand was going to be

1568
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:01,680
actually by

1569
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,510
>> like just the ballpark. What does that

1570
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:03,520
» like just the ballpark. What does that

1571
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:04,960
number go to?

1572
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:10,069
>> Uh believe quoted us for

1573
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:10,079
» Uh believe quoted us for

1574
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:11,359
16,000 I believe

1575
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:14,150
>> plus a weight list orders of magnitude

1576
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:14,160
» plus a weight list orders of magnitude

1577
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,270
>> and on this company they're doing

1578
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:17,280
» and on this company they're doing

1579
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,480
believe for the what we did it'll be

1580
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,000
$270

1581
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,920
a mile

1582
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,079
and

1583
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:27,920
doing the math it's going to be probably

1584
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,319
close to about 16 as well.

1585
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:31,190
>> Wow.

1586
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:31,200
» Wow.

1587
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,750
>> And they are have already done a trial

1588
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:33,760
» And they are have already done a trial

1589
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,680
so we know what to expect out of this

1590
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,800
company. I don't speak for council, but

1591
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,359
that's one I would highly recommend

1592
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:43,520
moving out priority.

1593
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,030
>> So, we just say hypothetical situation,

1594
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:47,040
» So, we just say hypothetical situation,

1595
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,079
we were to move the rate to the 79

1596
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:51,599
number, how much we got to work do we

1597
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:55,119
have to work with on the wish list?

1598
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:58,549
>> Um, if you're talking about this one,

1599
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:58,559
» Um, if you're talking about this one,

1600
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:00,480
it would only be if you wanted to

1601
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,920
implement those first

1602
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,190
>> taser detective. Those first three that

1603
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:07,200
» taser detective. Those first three that

1604
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:13,349
would take you up to about 270

1605
00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:16,160
in expenses

1606
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:23,030
about 30,000

1607
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,119
» and if we take it that high this year

1608
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:28,319
what does that do to us next year?

1609
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:30,710
>> It's hard to know um because the

1610
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:30,720
» It's hard to know um because the

1611
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,440
legislature will be in session. Um

1612
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,829
>> I would say chances are our property tax

1613
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:35,839
» I would say chances are our property tax

1614
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:38,640
roles will be

1615
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,280
about where they are now or lower even

1616
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,599
though we will have growth

1617
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:45,190
>> um because they're not done chopping

1618
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:45,200
» um because they're not done chopping

1619
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,880
away. And I don't know if those will go

1620
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,040
into effect in our next budget cycle. It

1621
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,480
depends on when they come into effect

1622
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:51,760
like the stuff that we're experiencing

1623
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,440
this year.

1624
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,910
>> Right. House 9 was

1625
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:55,920
» Right. House 9 was

1626
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:57,270
>> it was 2025.

1627
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:57,280
» it was 2025.

1628
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,270
>> It was 2025. But we had other

1629
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:59,280
» It was 2025. But we had other

1630
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,839
legislation that went in

1631
00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:04,079
that was in the 2025 legislative session

1632
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:06,000
that went in prior to this year. So the

1633
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,599
increase in homestead exemptions for

1634
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,839
schools, some of those went in last

1635
00:56:09,839 --> 00:56:10,400
year.

1636
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,150
>> So if we don't lose property tax on the

1637
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:12,160
» So if we don't lose property tax on the

1638
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,720
ROS this next year, it will be the in

1639
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:16,079
this budget year, the one we're deciding

1640
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:19,119
now will be the one after that at least.

1641
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:21,670
>> And how how conservative are we being in

1642
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:21,680
» And how how conservative are we being in

1643
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,799
our overall estimates on growing in the

1644
00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:25,680
budget?

1645
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,750
>> That's a good question. So I followed

1646
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:27,760
» That's a good question. So I followed

1647
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,599
our trends right which said our

1648
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:33,599
statutory collection is about 90% of

1649
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:35,680
what actual collections are and

1650
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,319
budgeting at about 97%

1651
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:38,710
>> okay

1652
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:38,720
» okay

1653
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:40,390
>> of actual

1654
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:40,400
» of actual

1655
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,150
>> we were only wrong we were only

1656
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:42,160
» we were only wrong we were only

1657
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,559
overestimated one year that I saw

1658
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:45,520
history

1659
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,589
>> uh using using that rate

1660
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:47,599
» uh using using that rate

1661
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:50,069
>> and maybe there's another 1% we could do

1662
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:50,079
» and maybe there's another 1% we could do

1663
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:52,000
like maybe

1664
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,829
>> um

1665
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:53,839
» um

1666
00:56:53,839 --> 00:56:55,359
I I don't know

1667
00:56:55,359 --> 00:56:57,589
>> so what we could

1668
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:57,599
» so what we could

1669
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:01,760
Typically by January, February financial

1670
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,160
reports, end of February financial

1671
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:05,359
reports, we have a really good

1672
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:07,760
indication of how actual is comparing to

1673
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,359
budget on property tax revenue because

1674
00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:12,000
the January 31st deadline. So what we

1675
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:16,480
could do is come back to you then and

1676
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,079
say, "Okay, here's what we budgeted.

1677
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:19,520
Here's what we actually collected." And

1678
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,280
if it's significantly different, you may

1679
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,280
have an opportunity to uh

1680
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,190
>> use fund balance at that point. Yeah.

1681
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:27,200
» use fund balance at that point. Yeah.

1682
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,190
brought some water in.

1683
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,040
» I mean, I looked at the street called

1684
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,160
Hanks the other day. Man, that Hanks is

1685
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,520
wow. It is It's kind of showing age.

1686
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,510
>> Uh business park drive is probably our

1687
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:41,520
» Uh business park drive is probably our

1688
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:42,079
worst.

1689
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:43,670
>> Is it in town?

1690
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:43,680
» Is it in town?

1691
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,589
>> Yeah, we had those prioritized. I think

1692
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:45,599
» Yeah, we had those prioritized. I think

1693
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:46,960
we did an assessment at some point.

1694
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,230
>> We did last year just um staff did it.

1695
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:50,240
» We did last year just um staff did it.

1696
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,799
Um but this that TJ was looking at.

1697
00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:54,400
Let's see if I can get the password

1698
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,920
right. picking top three in the street.

1699
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,870
>> If not, I know in the email it the has

1700
00:58:00,870 --> 00:58:00,880
» If not, I know in the email it the has

1701
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,880
the presentation which actually has our

1702
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:03,520
street.

1703
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,069
>> It won't be as detailed, but

1704
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:06,079
» It won't be as detailed, but

1705
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:11,190
>> it

1706
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,589
pretty

1707
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:20,069
much

1708
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:21,920
do the street assessment and the

1709
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,430
readers.

1710
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,680
I think I mean tools like that because

1711
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,119
we have limited staff even on the

1712
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:30,400
streets when it comes to police to be

1713
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,720
proactive and things I think it's a

1714
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,430
>> absolutely it's a great tool.

1715
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:35,440
» absolutely it's a great tool.

1716
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,109
>> What is all that? What's the green?

1717
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:37,119
» What is all that? What's the green?

1718
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:40,150
>> What are all those tags on?

1719
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:40,160
» What are all those tags on?

1720
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:45,750
>> It says alligator

1721
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:46,559
» okay.

1722
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:47,430
>> Yeah. [clears throat] That's the type of

1723
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:47,440
» Yeah. [clears throat] That's the type of

1724
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,680
stuff that winds up to seepage and

1725
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,920
erosion and you got to seal that.

1726
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,150
>> You wonder if we Well, we don't want to

1727
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:56,160
» You wonder if we Well, we don't want to

1728
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,559
have taken action earlier.

1729
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:02,069
>> I think

1730
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:04,079
» I think getting ahead of it this year,

1731
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:07,119
if legislation changes next year, we

1732
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:08,000
have to

1733
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,950
>> streets are improvements on a further

1734
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:10,960
» streets are improvements on a further

1735
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,720
decreased budget. And

1736
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,230
>> streets are one of those things that

1737
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:14,240
» streets are one of those things that

1738
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,920
after you let them go for a while,

1739
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,000
they're they're five times or 10 times

1740
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,720
more expensive to repair to replace than

1741
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,640
they are to repair.

1742
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,400
I wish I wish we could put that

1743
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,789
>> street [laughter]

1744
00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:31,440
out there. You should have seen it in

1745
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:32,720
2004.

1746
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:33,510
>> Yeah.

1747
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:33,520
» Yeah.

1748
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:34,950
>> Golly,

1749
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:34,960
» Golly,

1750
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,950
>> memory lane. Memory lane's getting

1751
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:36,960
» memory lane. Memory lane's getting

1752
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,079
pretty tough, too. So,

1753
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:39,670
>> and that's asphalt. So, if there's a way

1754
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:39,680
» and that's asphalt. So, if there's a way

1755
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,960
to start using concrete if that if the

1756
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,870
>> I mean, the price is closed now. It used

1757
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:44,880
» I mean, the price is closed now. It used

1758
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,119
to be a way it used to be way different.

1759
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:47,910
>> Yeah.

1760
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:47,920
» Yeah.

1761
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,510
>> But you can see here. So, that these are

1762
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:49,520
» But you can see here. So, that these are

1763
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:56,069
the streets that they did. Um the scores

1764
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:58,400
and just the level of data and detail is

1765
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,280
far beyond anything with photos.

1766
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,109
>> Those are just the top five the worst

1767
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:03,119
» Those are just the top five the worst

1768
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:04,000
ratings right there.

1769
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,430
>> Yeah.

1770
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:05,440
» Yeah.

1771
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,589
>> They also did uh because they wanted us

1772
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:07,599
» They also did uh because they wanted us

1773
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:09,839
to do ones that were in decent shape. So

1774
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:12,880
we did uh part of Forestdale and a few

1775
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,880
little areas that were in better shape

1776
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,480
so we can kind of see.

1777
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,710
>> Do we have a prioritization

1778
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:18,720
» Do we have a prioritization

1779
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,200
like that for the staff? you read my

1780
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:21,760
brain.

1781
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,150
>> So, if we adopt a few cuts and then we

1782
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:24,160
» So, if we adopt a few cuts and then we

1783
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:28,079
had a couple wish list items, is that a

1784
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:30,079
possibility for this discussion?

1785
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:32,230
>> Um, I didn't we didn't prioritize those

1786
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:32,240
» Um, I didn't we didn't prioritize those

1787
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,000
cuts when we were going through it. We

1788
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,680
were just cutting. Um, so we could we

1789
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,119
could prioritize them.

1790
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:41,109
>> Does anybody council object to that?

1791
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:41,119
» Does anybody council object to that?

1792
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:42,789
>> Yeah, I heard a couple of things in

1793
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:42,799
» Yeah, I heard a couple of things in

1794
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:44,559
there that are that are obvious. You

1795
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:46,160
know, if we're part of a membership that

1796
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,839
we don't engage with, stuff like that.

1797
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:50,400
But if there's anything that is a step

1798
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,319
backwards or prevents us from moving

1799
01:00:52,319 --> 01:00:54,000
forward when engaging with our citizens,

1800
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,400
I think I think we should consider

1801
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:57,839
keeping them or anything that takes the

1802
01:00:57,839 --> 01:01:00,640
load off of our our staff for doing

1803
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:01,680
their jobs.

1804
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,750
>> I think that's the responsible thing is

1805
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:03,760
» I think that's the responsible thing is

1806
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,387
look for cuts, look for opportunities.

1807
01:01:07,387 --> 01:01:09,990
[clears throat]

1808
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,640
» I also like that it had the

1809
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,559
recommendation on the fix for these

1810
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:18,470
roadways, too.

1811
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,000
Yeah, my first year I think our roads

1812
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,760
budget was a pickup truck with some

1813
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,280
asphalt in the back and a shovel.

1814
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,109
>> Uh that's pretty much [laughter]

1815
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:25,119
» Uh that's pretty much [laughter]

1816
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:30,160
all it still is on an annual basis. Um

1817
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:35,190
it

1818
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,280
» is that something you really need to do

1819
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,440
annually? So that needs to be just put

1820
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,000
into budget.

1821
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,150
>> I I don't know. I mean I'm

1822
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:44,160
» I I don't know. I mean I'm

1823
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,309
>> once every five years. Well, you need to

1824
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:46,319
» once every five years. Well, you need to

1825
01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:48,160
Oh, the assessment or the

1826
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:48,549
>> assessment.

1827
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:48,559
» assessment.

1828
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:49,750
>> The assessment I would say probably

1829
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:49,760
» The assessment I would say probably

1830
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,920
every five years depending on how much

1831
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:52,960
progress you're making.

1832
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,510
>> I think it's rare that they

1833
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:55,520
» I think it's rare that they

1834
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,030
>> but

1835
01:01:57,030 --> 01:01:57,040
» but

1836
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,839
252,000 of that is the Roseville project

1837
01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:02,319
alone.

1838
01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:06,640
So, um, when you look at actual

1839
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,640
roadway repairs,

1840
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,630
>> I believe the street drainage is 8,000

1841
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:12,640
» I believe the street drainage is 8,000

1842
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,559
if I'm not.

1843
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:16,710
>> Well, you've got 6,000 in contract

1844
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:16,720
» Well, you've got 6,000 in contract

1845
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,750
labor.

1846
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,200
» So, that's enough to buy a few cans of

1847
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,520
Flex Seal in here. You're

1848
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:28,630
>> exactly right.

1849
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,640
» 14,000 in this city. We're very

1850
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,040
fortunate. $14,000

1851
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,000
streets

1852
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:41,190
>> concrete last 30 years.

1853
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,280
» So,

1854
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,599
I don't know if other people are in

1855
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:48,319
agreement with the wish list items. I

1856
01:02:48,319 --> 01:02:51,040
think this one's kind of run to the

1857
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,880
ground,

1858
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,640
but uh maybe the other one is the the

1859
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,760
license plate cameras and then flip over

1860
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,720
and look to maybe offset those two

1861
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,480
additional items. I mean, if you agree,

1862
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,789
>> I don't disagree without going backwards

1863
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:08,799
» I don't disagree without going backwards

1864
01:03:08,799 --> 01:03:09,680
as far as

1865
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,910
>> to the extent possible. I agree.

1866
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:11,920
» to the extent possible. I agree.

1867
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:13,750
>> Yeah. If they've if the department has

1868
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:13,760
» Yeah. If they've if the department has

1869
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,039
identified their deepest cuts, then I'm

1870
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:19,599
not sure where that would come from,

1871
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:22,079
but I agree to adding those out. Can you

1872
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:25,593
can you pull back up the wish list?

1873
01:03:25,593 --> 01:03:28,630
[clears throat]

1874
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,680
» 38 tabs.

1875
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,079
And just for the record, how much do we

1876
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:37,440
have in our rainy day for in reserves?

1877
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,710
>> So, we're at about I want to say 160

1878
01:03:40,710 --> 01:03:40,720
» So, we're at about I want to say 160

1879
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:48,150
days of general fund balance.

1880
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,000
» So, you do have some potential to spend.

1881
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,680
So, if if we were to not get the Shenan

1882
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,000
Park grant, there are some things you

1883
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,000
could do out of fund balance for that.

1884
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,280
You really want to make sure those are

1885
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:00,960
for onetime expenditures.

1886
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:02,230
>> Yeah.

1887
01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:02,240
» Yeah.

1888
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:03,829
>> So [clears throat] we're almost twice as

1889
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:03,839
» So [clears throat] we're almost twice as

1890
01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:06,319
much as the recommended.

1891
01:04:06,319 --> 01:04:10,470
>> 120 days would be the recommended.

1892
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:18,150
» Yeah.

1893
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:22,309
» Um

1894
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:23,359
» and where are the two that you're

1895
01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:24,480
wanting to replace?

1896
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:25,990
>> We replace two. They're in service on

1897
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:26,000
» We replace two. They're in service on

1898
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,440
two of the apparatus, but they're

1899
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,440
they're all fire trucks.

1900
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,029
>> Yes, they're on the fire trucks. They're

1901
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:31,039
» Yes, they're on the fire trucks. They're

1902
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:33,599
they're they're reaching their their

1903
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:37,349
matur.

1904
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:38,640
» Is there a way to know when they're not

1905
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,039
going to work when you use them? Well,

1906
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:43,599
well, I mean, based on battery life, but

1907
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:45,359
when you're on, you know, the batteries

1908
01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:48,000
last anywhere from 24 to 36 months, and

1909
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,280
when you have replaced them,

1910
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,390
>> um, three [snorts] and four times at the

1911
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:54,400
» um, three [snorts] and four times at the

1912
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,200
cost of an AED,

1913
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,599
uh, and then the recommended life cycle

1914
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:02,535
is about 10 years for

1915
01:05:02,535 --> 01:05:05,349
[snorts]

1916
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:10,720
cheap on the license plate cameras.

1917
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,960
any concern with moving forward with

1918
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:17,359
that and any legislative or regulatory

1919
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:18,640
changes right now?

1920
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:23,990
>> Those are super hot topics right now.

1921
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:24,000
» Those are super hot topics right now.

1922
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,839
It uh it doesn't matter what if you're

1923
01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:31,599
conservative or liberal, it is all over

1924
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:35,029
the place.

1925
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:36,720
The the one thing Well, I'll say two

1926
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,200
things. First of all, um, since getting

1927
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,400
that quote, the price has come down

1928
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:43,920
significantly.

1929
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,750
>> Oh, okay. That's a sign.

1930
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:45,760
» Oh, okay. That's a sign.

1931
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,309
>> Um,

1932
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:48,319
» Um,

1933
01:05:48,319 --> 01:05:52,400
there under the contract, it's there's a

1934
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,319
immediate whatever legal term you want

1935
01:05:54,319 --> 01:05:55,280
to put in, you can get out of the

1936
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:56,400
contract immediately.

1937
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:57,270
>> Okay.

1938
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:57,280
» Okay.

1939
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,870
>> There's a no fee fine for getting out of

1940
01:06:00,870 --> 01:06:00,880
» There's a no fee fine for getting out of

1941
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,559
the contract. That's one of the main

1942
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:03,440
things.

1943
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,349
>> And the cost, it's just an annual

1944
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:05,359
» And the cost, it's just an annual

1945
01:06:05,359 --> 01:06:09,039
operating cost. There's no capital cost.

1946
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:10,870
>> No, I think the first year is a little

1947
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:10,880
» No, I think the first year is a little

1948
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:15,200
bit more because of the equipment, but

1949
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:16,799
um

1950
01:06:16,799 --> 01:06:20,160
last when I last went over all of this,

1951
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,880
they covered the cost of any damage to

1952
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,240
them. It's not something that we would

1953
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,599
have to pay for. There is that's not an

1954
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:30,000
immediate thing um because there's

1955
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,359
textile rules and last I heard it's

1956
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:35,359
taking six to nine months to get

1957
01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:37,200
approval.

1958
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,549
>> So even with that

1959
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:40,559
» So even with that

1960
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:43,119
don't hold me on it. Uh talking with

1961
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:46,480
chiefs we're seeing that price is about

1962
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:50,319
a third of what it was. But even with

1963
01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:52,799
that it would be something

1964
01:06:52,799 --> 01:06:56,000
you know 10 months Now potentially when

1965
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,880
that actually gets started

1966
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,559
I'm sure they would based on our

1967
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:04,230
>> and you have it pretty far down on the

1968
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:04,240
» and you have it pretty far down on the

1969
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,599
priority list. Yeah to the far right

1970
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:09,599
just what the actual number

1971
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:11,510
>> the value in it

1972
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:11,520
» the value in it

1973
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,829
>> is very high

1974
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:16,240
» change

1975
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:17,990
>> I think it was like you just don't need

1976
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:18,000
» I think it was like you just don't need

1977
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:18,880
it very often

1978
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,470
>> you don't necessarily need it all the

1979
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:20,480
» you don't necessarily need it all the

1980
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,589
time

1981
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:27,109
» it's critical

1982
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:28,400
to the wild truck

1983
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,190
>> what if we phase them instead [snorts]

1984
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:31,200
» what if we phase them instead [snorts]

1985
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,910
>> of eight do you know do four this year

1986
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:33,920
» of eight do you know do four this year

1987
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,680
next Sure. I mean that that's not a

1988
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,799
problem. Um we we have of course our

1989
01:07:38,799 --> 01:07:40,400
main

1990
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,039
we have the main two main roads and you

1991
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:47,039
need uh two in every direction

1992
01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:50,000
basically to capture all the traffic.

1993
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,000
But for us our main thing is we want to

1994
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,880
know who's coming out because that's

1995
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:56,240
what we're working is the crimes the

1996
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:57,359
stolen people.

1997
01:07:57,359 --> 01:07:58,470
>> Yeah. When they leave the city

1998
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:58,480
» Yeah. When they leave the city

1999
01:07:58,480 --> 01:07:59,910
>> when they're leaving we're more

2000
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:59,920
» when they're leaving we're more

2001
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:04,319
concerned with that especially that the

2002
01:08:04,319 --> 01:08:07,440
of the sound person. That's [snorts]

2003
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,440
that's our biggest concern. You can't

2004
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:10,559
put a number on

2005
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:12,870
>> or an Amber Alert like they got, you

2006
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:12,880
» or an Amber Alert like they got, you

2007
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,720
know, license plate.

2008
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,390
>> Would you rather have the truck or

2009
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:16,400
» Would you rather have the truck or

2010
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,719
additional firefight?

2011
01:08:18,719 --> 01:08:20,789
>> Additional fire.

2012
01:08:20,789 --> 01:08:20,799
» Additional fire.

2013
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:22,950
>> And looking at the cost of the cameras,

2014
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:22,960
» And looking at the cost of the cameras,

2015
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,679
it's we're halfway to another patrol

2016
01:08:25,679 --> 01:08:27,679
officer with that, too.

2017
01:08:27,679 --> 01:08:28,390
>> That's right.

2018
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:28,400
» That's right.

2019
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,390
>> I mean, the cameras are a onetime thing.

2020
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:30,400
» I mean, the cameras are a onetime thing.

2021
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,799
Probably not. I'm sure

2022
01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:33,110
>> there is.

2023
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:33,120
» there is.

2024
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:34,229
>> Oh, per year. Okay.

2025
01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:34,239
» Oh, per year. Okay.

2026
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:34,789
>> Yeah.

2027
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:34,799
» Yeah.

2028
01:08:34,799 --> 01:08:36,470
>> So, with the cameras

2029
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:36,480
» So, with the cameras

2030
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:38,070
>> start third of the cost.

2031
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:38,080
» start third of the cost.

2032
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:39,349
>> So,

2033
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:39,359
» So,

2034
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:41,510
>> Oh, now it is. Right. Yeah, now it is.

2035
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:41,520
» Oh, now it is. Right. Yeah, now it is.

2036
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:42,000
Yeah.

2037
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,870
>> What do you think that is now, Chief?

2038
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:44,880
» What do you think that is now, Chief?

2039
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,550
>> Again, what I heard was uh they're about

2040
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:48,560
» Again, what I heard was uh they're about

2041
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,480
3,000 a piece now.

2042
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:52,950
>> And I was getting quoted by eight.

2043
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:52,960
» And I was getting quoted by eight.

2044
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,349
>> The I will say just just for your

2045
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:55,359
» The I will say just just for your

2046
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:58,080
information since y'all are discussing

2047
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,920
what how we want to do the money.

2048
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,560
If uh

2049
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:08,550
if we add

2050
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,120
two more officers in one investigator,

2051
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,120
that allows us to have three people

2052
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:17,839
every patrol shift as our schedule.

2053
01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:19,189
>> That's a big help in it.

2054
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:19,199
» That's a big help in it.

2055
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:20,390
>> That's what it that's what it is right

2056
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:20,400
» That's what it that's what it is right

2057
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,159
now. Without it, that means we'll have

2058
01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:23,920
three shifts with three and one with

2059
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,600
two. That gets us to three per shift.

2060
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,950
>> That's if everybody's healthy.

2061
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:30,960
» That's if everybody's healthy.

2062
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:31,920
which

2063
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:33,749
>> you are aware of that those situations

2064
01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:33,759
» you are aware of that those situations

2065
01:09:33,759 --> 01:09:36,560
right now when when one's out

2066
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:40,000
it becomes one and they're outcomes

2067
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,040
over time

2068
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,269
>> I think we need to land on how much we

2069
01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:43,279
» I think we need to land on how much we

2070
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:45,679
have to spend

2071
01:09:45,679 --> 01:09:48,390
>> maybe

2072
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:48,400
» maybe

2073
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,669
>> go back to my cut

2074
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:51,679
» go back to my cut

2075
01:09:51,679 --> 01:09:52,870
>> did you want

2076
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:52,880
» did you want

2077
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:53,990
>> you know if we're in agreement that

2078
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:54,000
» you know if we're in agreement that

2079
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,440
we're going to have to move on the taxes

2080
01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:58,159
in some form or fashion

2081
01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:00,560
and I think Sounds like we are. We just

2082
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:01,920
got to figure out what that number is

2083
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,520
and how much we have to work with before

2084
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,840
we can

2085
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,120
realistically talk about

2086
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,990
>> Yeah. I'd like to start with basically

2087
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:12,000
» Yeah. I'd like to start with basically

2088
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,280
budget what we need and then that will

2089
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:16,800
give us an idea of where the taxes need

2090
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:17,600
to move to.

2091
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:18,550
>> Right.

2092
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:18,560
» Right.

2093
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,630
>> So I mean that's that might be exactly

2094
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:20,640
» So I mean that's that might be exactly

2095
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:21,520
what you said.

2096
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:21,990
>> Yeah.

2097
01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:22,000
» Yeah.

2098
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,350
>> Yeah. But only two officers

2099
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:25,360
» Yeah. But only two officers

2100
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,920
would um

2101
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,920
not give you any wiggle room but put you

2102
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,600
exactly where you are when you need to

2103
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:32,880
be.

2104
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,310
>> Having three per shift is

2105
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:36,320
» Having three per shift is

2106
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:37,520
where we need to be.

2107
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:38,709
>> Yeah.

2108
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:38,719
» Yeah.

2109
01:10:38,719 --> 01:10:41,750
>> Um and I, you know, at the rate that

2110
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:41,760
» Um and I, you know, at the rate that

2111
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:43,920
we're growing, I think we'd be good for

2112
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,640
quite a while with that.

2113
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,030
>> But with two, there's just a lot that

2114
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:49,040
» But with two, there's just a lot that

2115
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,790
comes with that.

2116
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,719
sick vacation,

2117
01:10:54,719 --> 01:10:56,719
one call to the jail, you know, they're

2118
01:10:56,719 --> 01:10:57,679
gone for two hours

2119
01:10:57,679 --> 01:10:58,630
>> for drop off. Yeah.

2120
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:58,640
» for drop off. Yeah.

2121
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,149
>> Uh there's just a lot that goes into

2122
01:11:00,149 --> 01:11:00,159
» Uh there's just a lot that goes into

2123
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:02,719
that where we we have a we don't have to

2124
01:11:02,719 --> 01:11:04,719
talk about it, but there's a lot of

2125
01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:06,400
times there's just one officer in the

2126
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:07,600
whole city.

2127
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,390
>> So, should we consider three?

2128
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:10,400
» So, should we consider three?

2129
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,189
>> What what's up there is the investigator

2130
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:13,199
» What what's up there is the investigator

2131
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:15,360
and two officers will make it work. that

2132
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,560
that provides street per shift

2133
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,390
>> just like when the red lights are are

2134
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:20,400
» just like when the red lights are are

2135
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,800
out of electricity.

2136
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,950
>> The complaints the other day where the

2137
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:24,960
» The complaints the other day where the

2138
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:25,840
police

2139
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,030
>> they don't understand that

2140
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:29,040
» they don't understand that

2141
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:30,630
>> there's three intersections out.

2142
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:30,640
» there's three intersections out.

2143
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:31,189
>> Yeah.

2144
01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:31,199
» Yeah.

2145
01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:34,550
>> You got one of these covered feel like

2146
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:34,560
» You got one of these covered feel like

2147
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,880
we'll have all kinds of calls coming in

2148
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:37,440
the

2149
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:39,350
>> from the tax assessor.

2150
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:39,360
» from the tax assessor.

2151
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:40,709
>> What we have now is all we're going to

2152
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:40,719
» What we have now is all we're going to

2153
01:11:40,719 --> 01:11:42,719
get

2154
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:44,070
>> before we make a decision.

2155
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:44,080
» before we make a decision.

2156
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:45,510
>> Well,

2157
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:45,520
» Well,

2158
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,080
We'll we'll get the final number before

2159
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:49,920
if we push out the date that we decide

2160
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:51,440
to make that.

2161
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:52,229
>> Yeah, that's

2162
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:52,239
» Yeah, that's

2163
01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:53,189
>> we're not going to get any more

2164
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:53,199
» we're not going to get any more

2165
01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:54,480
additional information.

2166
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:55,990
>> So, if we didn't make a decision on the

2167
01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:56,000
» So, if we didn't make a decision on the

2168
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,120
10th, we pushed it out a week.

2169
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,030
>> What I think what that would allow is

2170
01:12:01,030 --> 01:12:01,040
» What I think what that would allow is

2171
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:02,880
for staff to go back and prioritize

2172
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:03,679
those cuts.

2173
01:12:03,679 --> 01:12:06,550
>> Yeah. let us tell you where we are and

2174
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:06,560
» Yeah. let us tell you where we are and

2175
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,880
then we can really kind of set that line

2176
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,480
of this rate would get top three, this

2177
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:13,840
rate would get four, this would get you

2178
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,239
to five, you know, on this priority

2179
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:17,040
list.

2180
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:18,790
>> We can do that now that we have some

2181
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:18,800
» We can do that now that we have some

2182
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,159
direction from you all. I did not want

2183
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:22,640
to come out with saying, you know, here

2184
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:23,920
are all these things without knowing

2185
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,080
where the council wanted to go.

2186
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:27,910
>> I think that's that should be the plan.

2187
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:27,920
» I think that's that should be the plan.

2188
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:28,480
Okay.

2189
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:30,149
>> So, with the cuts, can we go ahead and

2190
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:30,159
» So, with the cuts, can we go ahead and

2191
01:12:30,159 --> 01:12:32,960
say now no to certain cuts?

2192
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,149
>> Sure. We can do whatever.

2193
01:12:36,149 --> 01:12:36,159
» Sure. We can do whatever.

2194
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:39,669
>> Um, real quick on this page, is it

2195
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:39,679
» Um, real quick on this page, is it

2196
01:12:39,679 --> 01:12:43,199
beneficial to to do something that's not

2197
01:12:43,199 --> 01:12:45,920
really a formal vote, but just run

2198
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,480
through quickly in the top 10 and have

2199
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:51,679
council with a yes or a no just on

2200
01:12:51,679 --> 01:12:53,360
whether or not they make the the

2201
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:54,400
budgetary.

2202
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,229
>> Yeah. To see which one we're unanimous

2203
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:56,239
» Yeah. To see which one we're unanimous

2204
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:57,440
on at least, right?

2205
01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:00,709
>> Yeah. Exactly. So 133 I think we're

2206
01:13:00,709 --> 01:13:00,719
» Yeah. Exactly. So 133 I think we're

2207
01:13:00,719 --> 01:13:02,310
>> Yeah. And the cuts.

2208
01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:02,320
» Yeah. And the cuts.

2209
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,149
>> Yeah.

2210
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:04,159
» Yeah.

2211
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:04,880
can't go.

2212
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,310
>> I think one through three.

2213
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:08,320
» I think one through three.

2214
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,480
I don't want to speak for Were we good?

2215
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:11,360
One through three.

2216
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:11,669
>> Yeah,

2217
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:11,679
» Yeah,

2218
01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:12,630
>> I think so.

2219
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:12,640
» I think so.

2220
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:13,270
>> Okay.

2221
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:13,280
» Okay.

2222
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,270
>> With the road assessment.

2223
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:15,280
» With the road assessment.

2224
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:15,669
>> Yeah.

2225
01:13:15,669 --> 01:13:15,679
» Yeah.

2226
01:13:15,679 --> 01:13:19,430
>> And the road street condition.

2227
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:19,440
» And the road street condition.

2228
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:20,790
>> We want to move that.

2229
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:20,800
» We want to move that.

2230
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,470
>> Does everybody agree with that?

2231
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:22,480
» Does everybody agree with that?

2232
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:24,229
>> Yeah.

2233
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:24,239
» Yeah.

2234
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:26,709
>> I'm asking you guys are the ones that

2235
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:26,719
» I'm asking you guys are the ones that

2236
01:13:26,719 --> 01:13:30,149
need it.

2237
01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:32,480
There's a huge price tag difference.

2238
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:34,080
There's a huge cost difference between

2239
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:35,600
what I would consider a priority and

2240
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,320
staff work. We worked collectively to

2241
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:39,760
come up with this

2242
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,291
>> prioritization.

2243
01:13:41,291 --> 01:13:41,301
» prioritization.

2244
01:13:41,301 --> 01:13:41,440
[clears throat]

2245
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:44,790
>> Um and and from my my standpoint on the

2246
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:44,800
» Um and and from my my standpoint on the

2247
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,280
fire department staffing issue is the

2248
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:48,080
most critical.

2249
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:48,390
>> Okay.

2250
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:48,400
» Okay.

2251
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,310
>> And it's going to continue to get more

2252
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:50,320
» And it's going to continue to get more

2253
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:54,239
critical as time goes on because we we

2254
01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:57,920
have grown the fire department but maybe

2255
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,239
Now, not at a rate the city's growing.

2256
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:01,990
>> You got you got three on the pump now,

2257
01:14:01,990 --> 01:14:02,000
» You got you got three on the pump now,

2258
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,120
don't you?

2259
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:03,590
>> Yes,

2260
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:03,600
» Yes,

2261
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,550
>> I understand and agree with that. But

2262
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:06,560
» I understand and agree with that. But

2263
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:10,000
from a pure budgetary standpoint, this

2264
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,880
is kind of like a a risk assessment. So,

2265
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,199
for future years, if there's any major

2266
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:16,960
infrastructure projects that are going

2267
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,520
to have to get budgeted in, this allows

2268
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,640
us to get ahead of next year's the

2269
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,920
following year's rate in my opinion. So,

2270
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,116
that's the main reason assessment

2271
01:14:29,116 --> 01:14:30,239
[snorts] priorization

2272
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:31,590
>> on the road.

2273
01:14:31,590 --> 01:14:31,600
» on the road.

2274
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:32,550
>> Yeah.

2275
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:32,560
» Yeah.

2276
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,390
>> Well, on that note, we've got one that's

2277
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:34,400
» Well, on that note, we've got one that's

2278
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,120
been assessed as needs repair.

2279
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,430
>> So, if we're justifying funding and

2280
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:39,440
» So, if we're justifying funding and

2281
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:41,199
assessment, we should probably repair

2282
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:42,640
the one that was assessed as

2283
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,430
>> we can go through the

2284
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:45,440
» we can go through the

2285
01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:50,870
number eight, memory lane. So,

2286
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:51,920
» police investigator

2287
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,470
>> memory lane got

2288
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:54,480
» memory lane got

2289
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:58,709
>> So, four did we uh Were we unanimous on

2290
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:58,719
» So, four did we uh Were we unanimous on

2291
01:14:58,719 --> 01:15:00,480
four?

2292
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:03,270
>> Yes. And it was the investigator and the

2293
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:03,280
» Yes. And it was the investigator and the

2294
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,040
patrol officer that get you where you

2295
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:06,800
needed to be. Or did you need number six

2296
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:07,280
as well?

2297
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,750
>> I recalculated because I do all these

2298
01:15:09,750 --> 01:15:09,760
» I recalculated because I do all these

2299
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,960
numbers over in my head here. Um,

2300
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,440
if we have what's equivalent to 22

2301
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:17,600
staff, which is an investigator and an

2302
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,840
officer that puts three per shift plus

2303
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:20,960
five SRO.

2304
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:22,790
>> Okay. So number number six

2305
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:22,800
» Okay. So number number six

2306
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,390
>> number six. Really?

2307
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:24,400
» number six. Really?

2308
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:24,709
>> No.

2309
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:24,719
» No.

2310
01:15:24,719 --> 01:15:26,630
>> No, it's a no. That's a no. So, can you

2311
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:26,640
» No, it's a no. That's a no. So, can you

2312
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,120
please note in there, Leslie, that uh

2313
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,600
what about the additional

2314
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,120
No offense, Chief, but we got to think

2315
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,040
we need to share the love between the

2316
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:41,030
fire department and police.

2317
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:44,400
» So, if we got the additional

2318
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,280
firefighter teeth, where are we getting?

2319
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:48,800
Well, when we look at national when we

2320
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,239
look at national standards, which is

2321
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:54,000
what we strive for at as a city based on

2322
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,679
national standards, our population, we

2323
01:15:55,679 --> 01:15:59,120
should have seven firefighters on duty.

2324
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,110
>> And we currently have three on duty at

2325
01:16:01,110 --> 01:16:01,120
» And we currently have three on duty at

2326
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:02,719
all times. Four

2327
01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:05,030
>> with some part-time personnel.

2328
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:05,040
» with some part-time personnel.

2329
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:06,470
>> We have been at three firefighters on

2330
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:06,480
» We have been at three firefighters on

2331
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:09,280
duty since 2013. Now, we've made giant

2332
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,760
strides in growing the fire department

2333
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,080
in terms of transitioning part-time help

2334
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,520
into to full-time capacity. And that's

2335
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,040
part of been the evolution and the

2336
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,280
infancy of the of the fire department.

2337
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,719
Call volumes of greet increase uh

2338
01:16:24,719 --> 01:16:27,040
exponentially. Uh in the last six years,

2339
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,440
our call volume has has doubled from in

2340
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:32,880
the low 600s to the low 1000s the last

2341
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:36,080
couple years close to,200 calls to

2342
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:40,159
service. So as we

2343
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:42,000
the biggest critical in the gap as far

2344
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,640
as a safety is that a lot of times when

2345
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,520
we have three people on duty and we have

2346
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,600
a medical call that requires two people

2347
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,040
to go on

2348
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:52,870
>> then that leaves one person behind at

2349
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:52,880
» then that leaves one person behind at

2350
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:54,719
the station to run the first next house

2351
01:16:54,719 --> 01:16:57,199
fire the next cardiac arrest the next

2352
01:16:57,199 --> 01:16:59,520
any kind of call. So for firefighter

2353
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:00,960
safety first of all I think it's

2354
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:02,880
paramount that we always work in pairs

2355
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:04,320
and typically that's how the fire

2356
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:08,080
service works. Um, and so from a safety

2357
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,400
standpoint, then you look at

2358
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,400
operationally how much more effective

2359
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,159
four

2360
01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:16,560
is on the fire ground or in rescue

2361
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,760
operations than three, which in turn

2362
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,360
circles back around to firefighter

2363
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:25,199
safety as well. So, um, I think the

2364
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:27,760
long-term goal is to get four per shift,

2365
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,480
and I think we can operate like that

2366
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:32,080
well with our partners that we're going

2367
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,480
to have automatic and mutual aid with.

2368
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:37,440
Um, but it's the point of getting to the

2369
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:38,560
to that, right?

2370
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,790
>> And some of that wouldn't be necessarily

2371
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:40,800
» And some of that wouldn't be necessarily

2372
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,719
the full cost that you see here because

2373
01:17:42,719 --> 01:17:44,640
we currently supplement with part-time

2374
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,360
employees. So, we are paying for

2375
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,199
coverage for some of those hours. And

2376
01:17:49,199 --> 01:17:50,800
so, that's what this note really means

2377
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,840
here is that transitioning that

2378
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,320
position, that coverage from part-time

2379
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,280
to full-time. Um, we still right now

2380
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,920
don't have four per shift on all shifts

2381
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,679
even with supplementing with part time.

2382
01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:05,840
So there's a little bit of nuance in

2383
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:13,430
trying

2384
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:15,199
» Yeah, that seems like maybe if we could

2385
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:16,960
focus in on what that actual number is

2386
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:18,560
and I'd imagine it's the same case with

2387
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,334
the additional patrol officer. There's

2388
01:18:20,334 --> 01:18:21,600
[clears throat] some overtime coming

2389
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,120
from the other patrol officers when

2390
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:24,719
somebody's out sick or something like

2391
01:18:24,719 --> 01:18:25,679
that, right?

2392
01:18:25,679 --> 01:18:27,510
>> Yeah. It's not I wouldn't say super

2393
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:27,520
» Yeah. It's not I wouldn't say super

2394
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,159
significant.

2395
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:32,950
>> I mean, one of the advantages to to do

2396
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:32,960
» I mean, one of the advantages to to do

2397
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,360
some offsets, the idea is to get four

2398
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,120
four firefighters on duty at all time

2399
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:40,159
for all the reasons we talked about

2400
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:40,640
the

2401
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:42,790
>> 17 or 18.

2402
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:42,800
» 17 or 18.

2403
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,430
>> The option to that is when we do have

2404
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:45,440
» The option to that is when we do have

2405
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:48,159
one of our full-time personnel vacation

2406
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:50,800
for six, we would keep our minimum

2407
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,560
staffing to three.

2408
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,669
>> So, we would work down to three. thus

2409
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:55,679
» So, we would work down to three. thus

2410
01:18:55,679 --> 01:18:59,280
saving those overtimes for replacement.

2411
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,630
>> Chief, what about insurance rates?

2412
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:02,640
» Chief, what about insurance rates?

2413
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,790
>> Does that matter? Um, you know, class

2414
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:04,800
» Does that matter? Um, you know, class

2415
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,360
one fire department.

2416
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,310
>> Our current ISO is a four.

2417
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:10,320
» Our current ISO is a four.

2418
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,189
>> Uh, we're working with ISO currently

2419
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:13,199
» Uh, we're working with ISO currently

2420
01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:15,920
citywide for that that rating. I do

2421
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:19,600
anticipate an improvement, but ISO no

2422
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,400
longer really has any significant uh

2423
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,800
bearing on insurance premiums locally.

2424
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:28,560
It's done by the agents and the industry

2425
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,080
because the technology and data

2426
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,400
collection is much more precise than

2427
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,080
ISO.

2428
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,560
ISO does show that a city's doing all

2429
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,880
the right things uh to make it a safer

2430
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,390
and better place.

2431
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:47,440
on five and six. I'm a know.

2432
01:19:47,450 --> 01:19:49,440
[snorts]

2433
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:51,110
>> So I don't know about the rest of

2434
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:51,120
» So I don't know about the rest of

2435
01:19:51,120 --> 01:20:00,070
council intact. Just

2436
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,719
» Yeah. From what I hearing, uh the the

2437
01:20:02,719 --> 01:20:04,960
ones we put a yes on for police and

2438
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,520
fire, we get them to where they need to

2439
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,360
be.

2440
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,520
Well, it would get

2441
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:15,350
>> Yeah. Police for sure. Firefighter.

2442
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:15,360
» Yeah. Police for sure. Firefighter.

2443
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,110
>> Oh, we're not doing five.

2444
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:17,120
» Oh, we're not doing five.

2445
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,669
>> Oh, you said for five and six. No,

2446
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:19,679
» Oh, you said for five and six. No,

2447
01:20:19,679 --> 01:20:23,110
>> I based on what I think I was hearing.

2448
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:23,120
» I based on what I think I was hearing.

2449
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:23,830
>> He was saying

2450
01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:23,840
» He was saying

2451
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,830
>> there's already one uh three. So, if we

2452
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:27,840
» there's already one uh three. So, if we

2453
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:32,239
add the firefighter and number three,

2454
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:35,760
right, that gets us to three full-time

2455
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:36,800
employees

2456
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,709
>> per two out of three shifts.

2457
01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:38,719
» per two out of three shifts.

2458
01:20:38,719 --> 01:20:40,310
>> Two out of three shifts. Not three out

2459
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:40,320
» Two out of three shifts. Not three out

2460
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,239
of three shifts.

2461
01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:44,870
>> Okay. So, it's worse than a

2462
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:44,880
» Okay. So, it's worse than a

2463
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,870
>> Okay, then

2464
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:46,880
» Okay, then

2465
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:47,360
on five.

2466
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:47,750
>> I'm glad.

2467
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:47,760
» I'm glad.

2468
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,189
>> I'm sorry.

2469
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:49,199
» I'm sorry.

2470
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:51,760
>> Yeah, that's