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you everybody for coming in. I appreciate the audience also coming out.

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for this special conversation. So, there are a number of staff communications that have been

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put together to just help to holistic picture of some of the services that are already in

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place, and update on shelter within the city, and then I know our city attorney also has some

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additional information to share. I'll talk about what was presented at the office last

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So we'll get started this morning with Rachel Schumer, our director of Housing and Services, who will provide us a HR and shelter population.

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I did print out.

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Just let's do it too.

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Great.

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So thank you.

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So you can come to the next slide.

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So just to start things off, I just wanted to share the housing ecosystem.

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We shared this slide a lot out of Charlotte, but it really helps show that when we're moving through the housing ecosystem.

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A lot of what we're focused on here at this city, a lot of our funding of programs,

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is that stable housing where everyone wants to be at the goal.

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And so that's where a lot of our investments and resources are.

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But we do focus on the homelessness care through some of our funding for shelter and

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transitional housing that we'll get to later.

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But just once from that perspective again,

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So we're speaking about today is the unshelter.

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Again, we talked about this at our joint meeting and a couple meetings.

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what we're talking about, the un-house, there's the un-sheltered and you can each shelter.

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As you look across that spectrum of the different ways that people live, whether they're doubled up, or in hotels,

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and recovery housing, transition, all of those are the sheltered folks that were part of that un-house population.

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The un-house is what we're talking about, the un-sheltered is those who are living in places that are not intended for humans to sleep.

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And so that's where you're seeing in Cantonese people on the streets, the variety of different things.

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Next slide, please.

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I'm sitting from this.

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There are currently three ways.

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Self-resolution in our rapid exit.

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That's more of this.

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You know, maybe a bus ticket back home.

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It made me just some minor case management,

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reconnection with the location.

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It can also just be a little bit of street deposit.

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We need to wrap it.

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We have things where it's worth three months.

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typically after 24, but we're, again, having people get to about how they get them started and then they're able to be self-sufficient after that.

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There's another population with permanent support of housing that needs that long-term assistance, comprehensive case management, proposed with long-term homelessness, complex physical mental disabilities.

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Next slide please.

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As many of you remember, we participated in the Unsheltered Strategy last summer, last spring

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through summer.

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This was just a process that we went through as a community to talk about different strategies

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to address the Unsheltered homeless.

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Starting with the kickoff meetings that we have with the City of County elected officials

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defining the problem with a number of our providers, speaking to those with lived experience

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as the voice of the consumer, developing a path for a Chinese success and then presenting

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this report. Next slide case. We had a number of participants, but 27 agencies participated,

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highlighted in brand or a lot of the folks that are providing beds and housing. The other

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folks are providing some resources and services that are just in the back. Next slide please.

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And so what that group left with were two strategies. One, looking at low barrier options,

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really triage, getting people off the streets into that next step. There are a number of outcomes

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and objectives, med and measures that were identified for this, as well as next slide, these

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four of the longer term solutions. So we have supply and capacity because that longer term

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support and housing. And so again, that is that long term wellbeing that we are identified. Next slide.

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Based on that, there were some opportunities for success, specifically identified, since this meeting has taken place in September.

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Some of these initiatives have not looped a word, but there has been some progress.

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Next slide, please.

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So I just want to highlight some of those work that's been down in the community.

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Continuing with care, was identified in this group as needing additional support. Through a grant from the

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endowment, they are going to be able to look at their reporting to Andrew Program to be able to sustain

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it and continue to create work as being done there. The City of Wellington is also releasing some of our

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CWG community-bound block grants for shelter services and rehousing for persons experiencing homelessness.

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This is done on pretty much an annual basis. It's a portion of our entitlement funding that

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can be used for this purpose and so that RFP is under review right now and there's a word

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should be going out shortly. This is also a word if you check where it's some funding to replace

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generators and the HR systems. This will help during emergency storms to help sustain the

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shelter services to make sure that during hurricane this folks have a place to say.

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And then finally looking at ways to work with housing providers that are, you know, the

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market rate plan more, the city has participated with the Continuum of Care's HUD technical

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assistance providers, and they look at ways to strengthen this sort of housing in the region.

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This is an ongoing effort through our HUD reps and it's been a really great process and experience

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and looking forward to moving on with that.

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Next slide, please.

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So, speaking of that continuum of care, just sort of a high level overview of where things are.

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So, the Cape Air Homeless continuum of care is one of 12 continuum of care in North Carolina.

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As you can see, there are some clusters.

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And then the rest of the state is all the balance of state.

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locally, the COC is funded through the City of Wilmington as the largest partner

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of Bronsor County and Pender County currently, but the service area is City of Wilmington

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Bronsor County and Pender County and Pender County and Pender County.

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Next slide, please. This is just a list of really their primary duties as the only

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paper on the system of care. It is housed at the Paper Council of Governments that is the

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agency for this. So when we think about our HUD entitlement funding, the city receives home investment

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partnership money, homes we call it, and community development block grant or CDBG. The other

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funds that really got our funneled into the state and local community for homeless services go through

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this the city of the state here. And so they are the lead agency that carries out a lot of new

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applications, they administer their database, the HMIS, what we call it, all of the agencies

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provide that client-level data, so we have a really a scope of who's out there, what

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are they experiencing, and finding their individualized apps forward.

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And then, of course, coordinate entry, which gets that connection to housing kind of that last

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Speaking of the size of the universe year, in 2024, 23 out of every 10,000 U.S. residents

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experience homelessness.

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You're locally, if you look about graphic, it shares that 12 people out of 10,000 in

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the general population served by the continuum of care, you're locally our experience homelessness.

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When we break that number out into a more localized contacts, that number is going to be a little bit different.

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The concentration tends to be in the city of Wilmington, so we'll get back in just a minute.

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Next slide, please.

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For the 20-time pound, as many of you know, this is how we celebrate all city.

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Every January, they're at entire country.

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Those were all the 20-time out.

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And so there's 10 nights in January that they have to have to be completed on.

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It's required through the federal government to be in January, down this way,

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specific questions to be asked.

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And so what you're seeing here is the trend over time of this out.

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It measures both the unsheltered as well as the sheltered persons.

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You can see sort of some changes over time.

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We always like to remind everyone that as you do better in your senses,

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sometimes the numbers may go up.

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So it's not necessarily always an indicator of the actual number,

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but just help sometimes how effective the count has been.

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It's also important to remember that this is not just the end number.

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This is just a good starting point.

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Good start on the conversation.

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We know that there are many people who are undercounted

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and are not counted, whether they're doubled up,

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whether they're living in their powers.

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They're harder to reach and harder to count, harder to access.

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So I just wanted to put that out there.

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Next slide, please.

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After locally over the past two years,

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we should be wanted to show the difference

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of the accounts between the Hanover,

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Bonds, and Pender County.

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And that's what we're saying, you know, when you look.

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If it are shared here, you can see that we, in Japan or counties, specifically city of Wilmington, tend to have the higher numbers.

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And it's like this. So that's where you look at protecting what our homeless population would be the peace and care to be averaged.

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What I would really equate to for the population of Wilmington being an estimated 127,000,000, it would be really about an average of 293 persons.

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We're really putting that to, again, instead of the 12 for 10,000, it would be about 152.

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So we just wanted to sort of share that size of the universe and where things are.

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Next slide, please.

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The show here, in addition to the point of time, there's a housing inventory account that also takes place in that time.

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So we wrote down the different shelters where there are beds.

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You can see the capacity in who's enrolled and where they're located.

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It highlighted in blue are all of the service providers that have the beds located in the city

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of Wilmington.

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Next slide please.

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Two to the same potential housing.

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Again, highlighting what's in the city.

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Next slide please.

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And then that permanent supportive housing.

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And so again, even though those folks are not necessarily considered unsheltered or almost

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anywhere because they're household or something that we want to track and make sure that we

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consider the number of beds that are there.

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as people may move on and how many beds are really missing in the community.

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Next slide, please.

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City funds have supported of network agencies over the past five years,

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totaling over 5.5 million dollars.

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As you can see, this includes the Sparrow, which is a 32 unit permit for a housing,

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Eden Village, which is, again, permit for an a housing.

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You also have some rehabilitation of birthwood with a cater collective, with the rest of the funding has been really to support the operating capacity of number of nonprofits serving the unsheltered and homeless population.

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Sit next slide.

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Two more times please.

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Absolutely.

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Thank you.

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So, thank you.

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Thank you.

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to work with them.

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As you can see here, this was done during that unsheltered strategy to say, okay, what?

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So, what do we really need, how many beds are needed, how many units are needed?

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And so that was just sort of that exercise that was done that we just wanted to share with you

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just to refresh that.

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Really looking at, there are rapid rehab and that is getting folks into the market rate of units

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just with a little bit of help is around 800.

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and then that permanent support of housing.

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It is a very specific unique population looking at that and what's in the projected

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at the time this study was done.

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It was looking at that there was a gap in about 25 to 75 units that does include the

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sphero in there as part of the ones that are coming the projects and a few other things that are

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So I'm not kind of getting into this.

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I know we spoke about this at the last attempt of everything but the getting home street outreach

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is another program of the city funds and participates in with the New Handover County and so

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shown here some of the different duties and how they're broken up. Next slide please.

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And then the Municipal Service District and many of you here about the street outreach coordinator

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funded with MSC funds. That is Jack, as many people have heard and know him and so just want to

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to share the how the city participates in funding his position through our MSD, as well as some of the service related to on-house issues,

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discussing a trash and smaller on-house campsites, clean-ups, things like that. It takes about a third of the maintenance request that the MSD is receiving.

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So show here when you zoom out is where all of these services and providers are located,

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looking from, on slow, down to Brunswick County.

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As you can see, there's a very high concentration of services that's housing in the city of

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Wilmington.

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Just wanted to sort of put that into perspective as we talk about what's going on.

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Next slide please.

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Zooming back out into the state overall, again with these 12 continuum of hairs throughout

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the state, this is just to show the number of folks counted in the pit and then the funding

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that we receive, again, through the continuum care and just to show where we are as this

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region compared to the rest of the state, the numbers of folks at their counting as well as the

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funding that they're receiving to address these. As you can see, this COC receives some of the

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all our amounts, especially considering the population counted, and so local dollars are being

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used to leverage and invest to help really address this integral.

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Next slide please. Looking down in South Carolina, there have been some pit counts there and you can see sort of what they're looking at as far as their account. This is the wrong. This was have a map, I'm not sure how that got to move, but this South Carolina's consumer pair functions with four different consumer pairs, so it's a little bit different how it's structured.

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And so the one here locally near Murdoch Beach has a total count in 2023 of 1,000 and 60s.

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So it's a much larger geographic area, but it's definitely a different number.

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They have a number of services.

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We've done a lot of research into what they're doing down there.

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And their consumer care doesn't have paint staff, but they partner with an agency that has about 35 paint staff members.

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So definitely a different and different scale.

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Next slide please.

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So if there was a lot of information in a lot in the packet and whatnot, so just wanted to highlight a few things that the city is contributing over 5.5 million dollars of homeless services over the past 5 years, not including the staff that costs to operate the getting home program from this police department.

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And they're about 200 shelter beds in the city and then Salvation Army when it comes online will increase that total and then the total point time count was about five or six and about almost half and half was sheltered on shelter again just the folks that we were able to count and again a lot of these services are located in the city limits so that concludes my presentation happy to answer any questions.

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Rachel, the point is that you'll have to decide with the funding for the CFCs, and it's just

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kind of allowing this to, this is we've never done in CROs.

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But you never heard how me did not, as part of their budget, they did not renew the funding

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more than you do appear. That was not part of their non-county agency funding. It was part of their

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Okay, and then just a couple more of my main thing about what days was the pitch.

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And the January 25th.

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And was the warming shelter open during the pitch count?

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No, it was open.

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Sorry, this is Andrew's house.

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I'm going to do a pair.

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Oh, thank you.

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And then, so, do we know the numbers that utilize the warming shelter?

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Is it the same to me like what was supposed to do with under this kind of argument?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So the warning shelter, it operates where it's not just people who are necessarily

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unchelted or on how they go in there, sometimes there's folks who are house, but may not

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have running water or he ends up they have seen some refuge there.

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They had in 2024 to 2025, they hosted 34 nights.

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and they had 175 persons sheltered on the coldest nights.

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And then, just finally, you had a deficit in permanent support of housing of 25 to 75 units.

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Some of those would be built by the Sarah.

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Can you remind me how many units are in the Sarah?

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The total count was about 100 units properly, but that was the Sarah's 32 units.

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Okay, so that's the deficit.

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it. It's still that twenty five. Yeah, so yeah, okay. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Well, the North Carolina COC's, and this is learning to me, and I don't, you've got

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down here that we have to seek funding with your 2020 free exercise, COC five

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with your man, but five hundred and ninety three count.

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Looking at some of those numbers, you're like charcoal heel.

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I don't know if you're going to put on the count, yet there we see them 190,000 from

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being in two, being able with three, eight, eight, seven, one through the higher than

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us.

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I guess they're nearly a million, and they've got four seats of six of the five, nine, three

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we've only been getting five, fifty, nine, and eight, one, five, five, five, five, five.

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If you know my address, since she runs this, please get that out.

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Why are we so much lower in receiving federal funding

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of all these other counties in parts of the state of receiving,

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so you seem like to get me more money with once in Canada

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so close to ours?

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So every year, we are given an annual renewal amount,

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and then you are, which states that your current project

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is going to have running college, we need to renew those,

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and then based on that funding.

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Deert able to go after bulb and Sunday to increase your solicitation in two. Next year, please had some folks hurry yet, we'll get up in additional 3,000."

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So at some point, I would switch as soon as I'm there.

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I have been here about two years, so some of this kind of, you know, the effect of vacation because some of our normal projects didn't get rid of it, and so some of it is the shreds of your composition report.

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I will say prior to the amount of points you get for how you write the grant comes into play.

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And again, we'll one of our projects is the extent that the tax burden you get actually

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can do with the tax on these levels.

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So we've been working on enjoying that.

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That's been my primary focus since I started.

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It's how we down on that box.

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So what I have to go to Sunday, so now that we have the next amount,

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are going to be the reactor of both Greece, but we are well below what are identified as

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there needs of its other concurrent. So it's how much you're creating, you can say, so we have

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no problem. So we are less, this is where you're trying to get into those of us who are

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not writing on the real public system.

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So is that part of the report process, too? I mean, when you say report, you said something

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about some of the reporting numbers, is that the different non-profits that are of the

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humblers, that are reporting numbers to the supply to whoever.

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So, are we, a lot of what that is just based on is your practice.

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So, we wanted several permits for it, I was thinking of the projects, we will be running

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right away housing.

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So, about how that boosts performance and whether they're going to, how their ramifications

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or to see it apply to the application of each project,

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that the state wants some of our artists.

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Or in housing, use one of our projects

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to send it to our past the fiscal year,

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and so they weren't able to use it, but did not come to the United States.

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And so this step, sort of,

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kind of, that seems like

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that you can't

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the way that you have to apply for things,

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since it's done, it's actually a problem.

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Well, you're putting it up, brother, sister.

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Just regular within my role.

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We mentioned that a lot of the agencies that didn't,

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was there a way to catch that before?

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It wasn't in a report.

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So it was a project that extended and I didn't understand it.

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So, for instance, any project that helped us to do it and to figure it into space and other info coming out.

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You think all of your new projects that ended the report?

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No, no, no, no, no.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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We'll come out for fun.

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And so, the only project that you can

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do.

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So we have, we have, we've got people that are doing places that are doing the worst,

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but it seems that I'm going to view what you say, is that, um, they're done.

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I don't think they're not getting information to us or we're not collecting that enough soon enough to get it to hurt it.

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Yeah, all of our data is collected. It's all on time and we have a data.

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Right, right, and we have

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a data.

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This is the last competition from the one that you saw that our wife, we were funded therapy.

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We got really slowers that the last competition

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those I have dramatically, and again, that's why our funding

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would have dramatically the better.

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Each one of them, obviously, if you're in a little

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amount, that gives that a way for feeding against each other,

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the rest of the community nationally with how you

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were to project, and how you were to perform.

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And so we did some of the agencies on that

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did actually go down on sheer emergency,

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increasing the number of them.

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OK, well, it's no question.

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When you say you're competing against each other,

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the agencies that are working here in GlobalJet, they write to you for funding.

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They're going to be against each other.

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So we have a couple of competitions.

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So if we get to see MC funding, which is the number that was up there,

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we also get emergency solutions funding.

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So as the MC, I want to reiterate, we are the LEHGC at the top of the MC

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and it's all of our kind of collaborative efforts.

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So there is a local competition.

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One of those necessary opportunities come out.

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We have to compete for those.

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So if we have a community that ranks for applications, they actually perform, we look at data,

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is it something we need, is it something we have to identify as a priority, and so they get

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ranks and funded a quarter to that.

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So yes, and then...

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Additionally, the bonus money that HUD has didn't earn out, we're getting within every aspect of these parts of the country.

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So I think we're able to bring in this over $1,000 additional dollars, because it's a lot of hard work to do with that.

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So

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the money that they are called out is smaller than some of our peer policing

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or we should

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have a problem.

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We should increase that money to show our true need for the money.

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So that means, basically,

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one of the cities is

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the problem of money.

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We

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get, we just

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said, we want to see what happens when I don't take the chocolate in the back.

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If they want you to have a leather-type of glue, they're going to see if that happens.

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We're going to have the gloves with their prime because they're turning on the end off.

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It just keeps you safe on that.

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We get,

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yeah.

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So we have to be able to see many fine protective gloves.

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This is one of those bigger things that

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we like to see.

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I get one of that.

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Prior to that, we only had a two-out 7th of the age.

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I'm going to just see that one.

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It's not going to be a lot of stuff.

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So, this is not a big thing.

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We need to do this.

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We need to do this.

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We need to do this.

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Other applications that they will.

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We need to do this.

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I just want to talk about

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this.

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What do you think about this?

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What do you think about this?

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When the law agencies are getting ready to jump.

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We have a degree for our process, so it should also mention everyone that makes the

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funding decisions to not be from agencies that are funded.

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So anybody that's on a committee can't directly benefit.

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We are very aware of our transparency.

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So we have a degree for our process.

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We do have an opportunity to come here to help improve our applications.

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One of the things we had happened in this time around was for instance.

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We had a project that we're going to have six or seven other street outreach teams that

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already have.

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So it doesn't make access to 28 those services within our limited amount of funding on that.

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It doesn't mean we talk to you.

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It was another gap that you could go.

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We didn't have to.

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You don't want to support.

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We want to make sure to structure it.

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So that's the kind of conversations we're having.

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These are the things we look at our data looking at what we have.

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Who's best in the best place to do that.

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So yeah, we do have things in place to try to encourage hosts that maybe have and receive it.

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And we do we have a new brand new project, this time we had a new project last time.

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So we're always looking to bring new partners to the table.

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We

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talked about the return and homelessness, right?

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What is your current rate?

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It is less than 5%.

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So once we make these our system and it's currently housed the state, the problem is just the opportunities to have that happen.

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And so that's such a, you know, a private company.

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So we're going to act to, you know, whichever, it tracks about the system, whether they are reaching back out, whether they find themselves in where we should charge the system with seven six other seats.

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And I'm listening, that is really good.

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Yes, so actually it's over seven percent and we are under five.

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It says, I will say, when we row out the numbers, we're starting 87% of our folks that are served.

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served in the head of a county, and then currently it is a little bit of a tricky thing.

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All of our funded agencies heard they are based on

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that.

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From there,

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I'm going to get to the bottom of that.

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Both in the main county has all of those folks.

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Yes, we do have any queries in the rest of the country.

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They have done a really good job of increasing their services.

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They do participate in contributing a lot of time.

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There are taking both from here as well, but there we had how could they maximize those things and unfortunately we haven't been in a place of time.

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Some of those things, yeah.

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But hopefully.

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We're going to come and support them and

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work with all the five years of this.

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We're getting there.

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Yeah.

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You know, we're just having a lot of cities and

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communities.

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Just two or seven.

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All the other.

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That's

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going to be all the same.

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We're looking at operating budgets for our shelters that have applied to us.

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However, I'm like two to three million dollars depending on what services you're

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measuring in that being able to function all of their plans. Additionally, some of these

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other agencies are functioning like warming shelter. They function mostly on donations and

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and persons, but they're looking at how do we protect what numbers and how let's

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have the costs and they're looking at say like 33,000. So some of these agencies

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are really focused just on that one shelter and some of this conversation so it's

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our graph or head, but probably somewhere in the three to five million dollars

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annually overall for all of these agencies specifically for this.

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In addition to what we used for, just because it's an annual budget, we're looking at new

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construction projects depending on the scale of what we wanted to build another facility.

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That can range, you know, to be $10 million for a new facility that may be $32 best.

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So it's kind of what you're talking about with that.

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But generally operating these services are somewhere in there.

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And then in your load barrier entry, I don't know that I have all of these sort of supplies

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first of all that have a lot of shelter, and some who's just what it

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still is.

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It depends on the facility.

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Obviously when children are involved, there's going to be higher barriers in standards to protect them.

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When you have to be more low barriers, shelters like the warmest children, things like that,

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that's not encouraged to have the children there

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for that purpose to keep that low barrier.

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So there's a variety of some of our most of our appealing

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place, it is a lot of resources that we show up

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after we get a bed.

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Other ones are more regular, where they have a waiting list

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because they're a capacity and they work with the folks

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to get them to the next day.

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So the standards depend on the facility

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and they range, they're not really a good year-round

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low barrier shelter that any one can just talk to you too.

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Is that based on the truth issues and you have a self-construction and a curious

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social media that's like, yeah, is that that it was just based on what the

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show of the ones you want to do?

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I think it depends on what the shelter is looking to do with their services.

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00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:48,770
So again, if you're looking to serve families and you're going to have some restrictions,

457
00:34:49,390 --> 00:34:53,010
you don't really have a shelter here that's focused on low-berry events,

458
00:34:53,010 --> 00:34:56,770
Okay, that's what we're talking to, so that would be an opportunity.

459
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,820
You can't comment in the task.

460
00:35:05,380 --> 00:35:06,740
On the go, on that.

461
00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:09,280
Yes. So, yeah.

462
00:35:13,210 --> 00:35:18,010
Exit homelessness. You talk on the so-called, that's low-beers,

463
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:22,010
for those who are in the news, that you're saying, they are busier,

464
00:35:22,770 --> 00:35:25,950
or they're going to be one of the two sides behind and how we

465
00:35:25,950 --> 00:35:30,270
have gone like that, that we're getting the most to put them back and out.

466
00:35:30,270 --> 00:35:39,530
You tend to, yes, and that is, the teachers of the system that are living in a car over the summer because they don't have a K-track, that's that kind of situation sometimes.

467
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:46,930
And so that is a low hanging group in that sense of, it's a low cost typically, and it's something that's accessible.

468
00:35:47,310 --> 00:35:53,590
One of the challenges in getting people into housing, it's just the number of units available, especially at that price point.

469
00:35:53,770 --> 00:35:55,230
And so that's sometimes the challenge.

470
00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:06,140
I have to look into that.

471
00:36:10,750 --> 00:36:10,910
Okay.

472
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:33,100
There.

473
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:33,600
There.

474
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:33,920
There.

475
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:34,440
There.

476
00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:35,180
There.

477
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:35,220
There.

478
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:35,260
There.

479
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:35,300
There.

480
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:44,320
But it's about 75 beds that will be available in the space of women and families.

481
00:36:44,420 --> 00:36:48,080
What is the most prevented from being opened by those people?

482
00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:53,560
They have some sort of issue of preventing them from there.

483
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:55,420
So you can see that they're working through that.

484
00:36:58,490 --> 00:37:01,990
And then when they open, they'll be doing a phase of crotchware at all 75,

485
00:37:02,250 --> 00:37:04,410
and come in at once. They'll ease it into it.

486
00:37:10,530 --> 00:37:17,130
They were part of the conversation, there's a variety of ways of the askables involved in some of this conversation.

487
00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:21,390
They have recently funded eat and village to have a respite home.

488
00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:30,530
So when folks who do not have a place to go after surgery or some sort of admission, they are able to say in this respite home to help recover

489
00:37:30,530 --> 00:37:34,150
and then that provides the way to get the key standards which you get in the house.

490
00:37:34,450 --> 00:37:37,230
So yeah, things like that, there's plenty of projects like that.

491
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:40,370
And any serves to know where you're going up,

492
00:37:40,530 --> 00:37:45,730
all of you can serve the mission on the top of that perspective.

493
00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:49,630
It's something that's going to be able to serve the services,

494
00:37:49,710 --> 00:37:51,470
those options, something that you have to serve.

495
00:37:52,330 --> 00:37:55,510
So the answer to the fact that I'm telling you may have to

496
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:59,150
get the hospital within the visual to be able to any of those numbers.

497
00:37:59,150 --> 00:38:02,850
I don't have that available, but we can look into that sort of, sort of,

498
00:38:02,850 --> 00:38:03,530
see what they're all.

499
00:38:06,380 --> 00:38:08,480
I think it's something that we should just say.

500
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,080
And it's the smartest.

501
00:38:11,060 --> 00:38:13,020
I mean, that's one of the search that we get,

502
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,220
I don't know if we would talk about the plan A&M's.

503
00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:17,560
It's going to be in a year's gap.

504
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,060
Most of the amount of searches that we're not available to get,

505
00:38:22,220 --> 00:38:23,860
maybe, you know, in a second, or get it out.

506
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:25,280
Does that mean you can do it?

507
00:38:25,540 --> 00:38:26,560
It's always so.

508
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:27,760
Yeah.

509
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:28,740
Yes.

510
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:34,260
And the Michael Jordan clinics are also a way that the hospital has tried to help prevent

511
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,980
that overuse the KER by having those in some different communities be able to find that

512
00:38:40,980 --> 00:38:41,140
level.

513
00:38:41,140 --> 00:38:43,940
since the situation has ended loose on here,

514
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,960
I don't know if we have a joint group of county

515
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,480
in the arts of the public, with the average 7 months

516
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,060
that we have been receiving this.

517
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,900
The primary is the 3100.

518
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,320
Resent to recovery.

519
00:38:58,060 --> 00:39:01,440
For this, those that are coming here for recovery services,

520
00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:06,220
do we know what the success rate is for this recovery services?

521
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:07,880
We have any idea.

522
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:18,060
You have a ball of art, a national average, or what is the healing place is annual report on the website of 2024 hat.

523
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,360
I recollect you as a 20 by the 27th.

524
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,200
You have a disaster, you have a disaster.

525
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:25,160
All right.

526
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:25,900
I'll do it.

527
00:39:25,980 --> 00:39:26,280
I'll do it.

528
00:39:26,380 --> 00:39:26,660
I'll do it.

529
00:39:26,660 --> 00:39:27,160
I'll do it.

530
00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:27,640
I'll do it.

531
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:27,840
I'll do it.

532
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:27,880
I'll do it.

533
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:33,860
I'll do it.

534
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,380
I'll do it.

535
00:39:37,380 --> 00:39:44,300
I'll just take this as just to know about average, I'll just solve it, because that is just a challenge enough to get through.

536
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:53,200
All those folks that maybe have come here for their services, and they've all out for their lives.

537
00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:59,560
What do we have right here? What happens if they look back home? They have money to go back home?

538
00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:24,260
We have any kind of money set aside to dispose of the same money that back home, that in a time in your group of concerns, but one of you is another pretty less. Do you have any idea about that?

539
00:40:24,340 --> 00:40:26,860
The city does not find anything like that at this time.

540
00:40:26,860 --> 00:40:28,240
It's a service provider.

541
00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:29,000
Yes.

542
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:29,520
Service provider.

543
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:32,180
Is there a need for that to run off me?

544
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:32,940
I don't know.

545
00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:34,440
From the service provider, doesn't it?

546
00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:35,640
That you're sure there's a bad answer?

547
00:40:35,660 --> 00:40:35,980
Yeah.

548
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,300
Something that something went wrong, that people have found that.

549
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:42,740
California, by the way.

550
00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:44,400
Yeah.

551
00:40:45,060 --> 00:40:47,000
I relocation type of public loan.

552
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,280
I would say to people, say, I want to go on about that.

553
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:49,580
20.

554
00:40:50,180 --> 00:40:51,160
I have family there.

555
00:40:51,380 --> 00:40:51,800
I have some people.

556
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,180
And it's whatever places.

557
00:40:53,940 --> 00:40:53,980
Okay.

558
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:01,280
And I just wanted to ask this, and I don't want to talk to you ever to throw about this at one.

559
00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:04,120
I always should get us all out of here answer.

560
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,420
So what in your work did you do?

561
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,900
Do you record the last term in address of the people that you're serving?

562
00:41:16,780 --> 00:41:19,700
And what is the percentage that are coming here from down here?

563
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,060
I do have that, the percentage that it's far more than how you're counting the fees that

564
00:41:25,060 --> 00:41:26,320
have all of us.

565
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,400
So, gains that are percent.

566
00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:33,880
I'm just going to repeat this at my command of the services of anybody to see us here going

567
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,020
to the people that they're last going to investigate.

568
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:38,640
Thank you.

569
00:41:40,780 --> 00:41:44,460
I appreciate the slide to see some odd half of the dollars.

570
00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:48,140
We have to look directly to our services.

571
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,160
We have the Oracle Housing Fund.

572
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,440
We have been through almost a million dollars a year.

573
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,200
I think that's a system of these items.

574
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,440
We said, I'm at my last five years.

575
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,040
I wrote an article this morning.

576
00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:03,880
I'll say it won't exist.

577
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,600
It's a 10-year plan to handle this.

578
00:42:05,860 --> 00:42:07,140
That article was written in 2008.

579
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,540
17 years ago, in that article,

580
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,460
these kind of savings and discussions were had.

581
00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:14,580
What did he possibly suggest?

582
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:15,740
Smaller work.

583
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:17,280
There are elements of the city.

584
00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:19,500
That's been in the last 17 years.

585
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:20,660
We were on the second.

586
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,300
We can absolutely look at that up.

587
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,900
I just need to be like, exactly.

588
00:42:28,460 --> 00:42:32,780
In the 80s, I was, I got involved with the K.

589
00:42:32,780 --> 00:42:35,240
Agricultural Rescue in the old postory.

590
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,920
We had facility for 30 drugs.

591
00:42:39,220 --> 00:42:40,780
That's basically the way we were.

592
00:42:40,780 --> 00:42:43,340
It's hard to raise money to that kind of niche.

593
00:42:43,820 --> 00:42:47,720
We provided a place for them to become a cashier breath.

594
00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:51,540
And a lot of them were transiently moving south and moving around.

595
00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:55,520
And during that time I had involved with St. James,

596
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,220
home to the shop, the shop, the built-in facility, and they had to walk.

597
00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:02,820
And the people that were telling me they'd like to be right.

598
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,320
They couldn't have been intoxicated.

599
00:43:04,540 --> 00:43:06,200
They had to check in in the clock.

600
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,540
If they had a job working at a restaurant,

601
00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:12,460
what we've been honored, they're excused from the vaults

602
00:43:12,460 --> 00:43:15,300
on the end of the restaurant that I mean just like it's 10.

603
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:17,820
And you get up and morning at six,

604
00:43:18,140 --> 00:43:19,020
you get a back out of the street.

605
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,400
This is only an operated group,

606
00:43:20,620 --> 00:43:22,220
oh, well, the month's not ever in the March.

607
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:27,100
I see, I don't know if I did that for about 11 years,

608
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:28,700
two nights a month.

609
00:43:29,460 --> 00:43:31,280
And I would see, maybe,

610
00:43:31,420 --> 00:43:33,520
I happen to do some people every year.

611
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:39,660
But the rest of them were very fluid and fluid and they did better.

612
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,540
In a few occasions, we would have brothers with children,

613
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,060
with 7,000 somewhere else in the church.

614
00:43:45,620 --> 00:43:47,880
They were busing their shops to get into these programs.

615
00:43:48,260 --> 00:43:50,060
A lot of people aren't.

616
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,580
They're not trying to get in these programs and we talk to them.

617
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,340
And there might be some momentary good.

618
00:44:00,340 --> 00:44:03,820
It comes in and then they will last back into it.

619
00:44:04,140 --> 00:44:06,100
You can take, you can take, you can take, you can take, you can take, you can just,

620
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:10,460
burn that, you should be at higher percent and be on the streets for 30 days.

621
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:17,420
And that's when he came up with the idea of, well, I'm going to that, but, you can, you can,

622
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,380
leave a horse to water, you can't make a dream.

623
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:23,760
And a lot of these people, I mean, it's not like we're throwing good money after bad,

624
00:44:24,460 --> 00:44:28,040
but I sat in so many meetings just like this,

625
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:34,220
And it's the worst now that it was 10 or 15 years ago, but I was on the council and up

626
00:44:34,220 --> 00:44:40,280
in the 14 years, and I went out on some of those towns, and it's not an accurate count.

627
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,780
In a way to be accurate.

628
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,720
You do the best you can, but I haven't been here since many young, I know where it is

629
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:51,800
a can, but over so, so there's 200 people that are winning for those people, and the count

630
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,460
would be more accurate than you're in the sun.

631
00:44:54,460 --> 00:44:59,440
That's some people around. Oh, let's go when it's 30 degrees. I don't find somewhere to get in.

632
00:45:34,860 --> 00:46:01,580
It's kind of like a guy told me one time, if you've got a ball on the middle of the table in my side, it's like, it loose signs, why it means, never want a group, because I can't see the other side of this ball, that's what we're trying to accomplish here. We're trying to see what's right in some of these people. We've got a great system that we come up with, came up with this and that, that's a place in the person that is used to demon with people like that.

633
00:46:01,580 --> 00:46:09,020
And hopefully it's going to be a good, but we're just in a good, we're not peeling the onions in back.

634
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:17,060
We got to hit down the core of this problem and it's going to have to be something drastic that we do, just like a portable housing.

635
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:21,700
We're going to hit it, we're going to go a little bit at the time.

636
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:27,160
This home of the situation is going to have to work in order to go in the market.

637
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:33,460
He put his right down and his little dog there put him in the thing that he is decided to do and what he does

638
00:46:34,020 --> 00:46:35,820
That's his job

639
00:46:35,820 --> 00:46:37,800
I don't know that he wants to be there

640
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,300
a lot of people just don't know that

641
00:46:42,340 --> 00:46:43,860
You're gonna see who's like them

642
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:51,840
This thing I've seen happen long times eating house. They got some hard core people off of the street and they're happy

643
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:59,340
They have rules everywhere, they can screw up their lives if they do, they're right back out in the woods.

644
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:06,320
Those are the kinds of things that we do at ourselves, or the county, or with some good folks out there,

645
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:12,520
like we could talk to the deep in the house, things like that's what it's going to take you to some of the people off the street

646
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:20,660
and it's some kind of shelter, permanent, and then a lot of those people there will kiss their breath

647
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:22,320
and they're going to say it and they're going to keep on moving.

648
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,520
This is the magnet.

649
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:27,320
This is the magnet everybody comes to it.

650
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:31,180
Now I don't know that they come to the center because of our psychiatric care

651
00:47:31,180 --> 00:47:32,060
or the middle care.

652
00:47:32,220 --> 00:47:33,920
They come here because this is where the people are.

653
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,020
Tourists come here.

654
00:47:35,620 --> 00:47:36,520
They say they're on the road.

655
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:37,500
Some tourists are going to be back.

656
00:47:37,740 --> 00:47:38,780
And he says, God, 20,000, I don't know.

657
00:47:38,780 --> 00:47:41,200
He says, I don't know if it's in it to go bad to talk.

658
00:47:41,620 --> 00:47:42,880
He stands out there.

659
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:44,560
And it makes his money.

660
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,140
So I don't know.

661
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,360
Nobody understood what the cure is.

662
00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:49,680
We've all got our ideas.

663
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:56,560
or do we hear of it, but we can have these maintenance until the cows get them and we feel good about it.

664
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,700
That's what these are, these are a real good meetings, but we're not getting anything accomplished.

665
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,700
We can look at all these statistics from all these cities and the sea of the seas.

666
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:09,820
And God does that, you know, I pray about this all the time.

667
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:17,280
We can show us the way Lord how we can help these people and get them all the street, get them in the houses,

668
00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:24,380
and put using the drugs and get themselves held on the ground right over here, but it's so frustrating

669
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:32,140
that we see it, we want to do something about it and we get angry at them because they mess up our places, they do this, they do that,

670
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,440
but at the end of the day, they're human beings, we got to do something to help them.

671
00:48:37,540 --> 00:48:40,060
And I don't know, I wish I knew, I wish I hadn't answered.

672
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:45,960
Those are just my observations from 48 years ago.

673
00:48:55,850 --> 00:48:59,970
So we absolutely can do an off-cycle one in addition to the required one.

674
00:49:00,250 --> 00:49:05,010
Yes, so the one in January is required by HUD, but we could globally do our own asset

675
00:49:05,010 --> 00:49:10,570
questions we want to ask. I know the consumer care has also talked about really being into interviewing

676
00:49:10,570 --> 00:49:15,330
people in the big experience to really understand not just the numbers but the reasons why

677
00:49:15,330 --> 00:49:18,790
the unique experiences that people have and that's something that they're looking

678
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:23,850
forward to doing over the next year of really engaging in that. But yeah, absolutely we can do it

679
00:49:23,850 --> 00:49:30,870
What would that cost in? Why do you do that? I would have worked. I don't know. We have

680
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:37,090
some of the campsore. I can't be in suburban areas of the city. Obviously we have the

681
00:49:37,090 --> 00:49:44,490
intent. We can go to and we have to show you. You do that fairly easily. Yes. It's very low cost.

682
00:49:44,650 --> 00:49:48,130
In the sense there's a lot of volunteers and donations, but there may be some administrative

683
00:49:48,550 --> 00:49:51,130
We could put the other budget on that out there.

684
00:49:52,050 --> 00:49:55,450
There's a note that I don't know if it's true and still I mean I don't know if it's true

685
00:49:55,450 --> 00:49:59,130
but it used to be a sense that a lot of people in America to play Jack.

686
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,080
That's probably one, no. So I mean, that's a daunting fault.

687
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,020
I have a couple of questions. There's just some things that you said. And the first or not,

688
00:50:12,180 --> 00:50:17,740
others are very sure which is. It looks like in the 2024 timeline. In the month of May,

689
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,800
you did the voice of the consumer piece, and you did speak to some folks who had been empathetic.

690
00:50:21,860 --> 00:50:25,800
At least in the past experience, someone says can you tell us a voice summary of what you learned there?

691
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:36,940
Yeah, a lot of that conference conversations were just really folks who wanted people to understand that they're not just the stereotype, you know, what got them there, their experience

692
00:50:36,940 --> 00:50:44,120
What type of services they need, what they're looking for and I can provide some of those statements, but that's really the summary of just this is how I got here

693
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:49,620
This is my unique circumstance, and this is what I need to get to the next step, so it's a lot of those conversations

694
00:50:49,620 --> 00:50:56,580
And we talk about stereotypes, I mean, there's, there's, you know, just respect for negative stereotypes.

695
00:50:56,700 --> 00:51:00,300
But I think there's also, like, the buckets that we try and put things into systematically.

696
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,320
And I know a lot of times we talk about people who have mental illness, who have addiction,

697
00:51:04,620 --> 00:51:06,600
and that, you don't have either, and they're just poor.

698
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:09,780
And they just need resources to help them get back on their feet.

699
00:51:10,260 --> 00:51:14,840
Are those buckets consistent with what you're reviewing or what's that you're challenging, that belief?

700
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:25,660
I think that there was a stakes recorded in our door for it and they wanted the public to know that they're not all of us at this thing.

701
00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:28,760
To them, you know, for many of them, it was to your point there.

702
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:36,760
Or people, what we know at CLC is that Paul must be driving them at first-time moments.

703
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,320
At first-time, they were housed into a something happened.

704
00:51:40,580 --> 00:51:43,720
That one paycheck or two-day checks away.

705
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:50,200
There is another population that does have substance issues and addiction challenges.

706
00:51:50,780 --> 00:52:02,180
But we heard in the voice that consumer will be in dates and in small focus groups, is that they're one of the public and not all of that thing.

707
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,440
And then, Charlie Cohen, up on what you said with that specific ministry, where you wanted to figure

708
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:12,640
specifically on men who were using drugs and alcohol, what was the, like, why is that your chance?

709
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:20,440
It was a Christian military minister, and some very successful businessmen in town were

710
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:21,160
remembers of it.

711
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:28,560
It came from churches in a lot of different religions, and I got pulled in, I guess it's

712
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,560
the right word, and then they all rotate it all, and I became a chairman and a good

713
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,660
buddy if I had to take my place for eight years.

714
00:52:35,980 --> 00:52:41,160
We would go, my house manager, the entire sergeant in the army, and we'd go on a third

715
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,260
bridge on the cold nights and we'd drag them out, they'd be in there to sleep, they'd

716
00:52:45,260 --> 00:52:49,020
freeze to death. And we'd take them in and we would have a bed for them, but we could

717
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:55,680
get them inside where it was warm and given them a lonely sandwich and some soup. And they'd

718
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,440
be alright, we didn't have any criteria. And if somebody was out there and didn't have a

719
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:04,740
place to get it, they didn't have to be an alcoholic or a drug addict, we'd burn them in.

720
00:53:04,740 --> 00:53:10,740
And sometimes when we had a, you know, like a state, we had first floor of their bed and castle.

721
00:53:11,420 --> 00:53:14,520
So the house here became so valuable to the whole state.

722
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,140
And now they have beds at bed and castle.

723
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:20,420
They call it the rescue mission to take care now.

724
00:53:21,380 --> 00:53:23,740
They started to get some local money, I think.

725
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:25,920
But we didn't have, we didn't have that.

726
00:53:26,180 --> 00:53:30,240
I mean, if somebody came up with the door, then they were welcome to come in.

727
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:36,740
And the reason that I left Sean to that when you said it, and I call my attention, is this is a

728
00:53:36,740 --> 00:53:41,260
dig spectrum of a problem. And it was a big spectrum of problem we started having meetings back

729
00:53:41,260 --> 00:53:46,180
at the beginning of 2024, but in a way, like let's be honest about the fact that it's come to a

730
00:53:46,180 --> 00:53:52,840
head specifically because of the the city group of exudendable about what we've been seeing

731
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:58,000
downtown. And so when I think about what we talked about in our last city council meeting and who

732
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:04,060
is that we're seeing downtown. The group that you stated, adult men who may or may not have

733
00:54:04,060 --> 00:54:08,720
some sort of addiction and illness issue, that kind of is the group that's brought this

734
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:15,480
to a head which lets us have a follow-up talk about it. So when we're talking about additional

735
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:22,660
face shelters and specifically men's shelters, that helps get that every type of street downtown

736
00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:27,500
and potentially connects with the service provider. So I'm curious about that that is one of our

737
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:31,520
one term resources, as I said it, we're looking for a book, yes, sir.

738
00:54:31,820 --> 00:54:35,440
And when I say book, yes, I mean, as to what brought up this conversation to

739
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,700
ahead, I mean, obviously against the spectrum, but that piece of it is something

740
00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:42,000
that I think is missing because we talked about how a lot of our shelters

741
00:54:42,740 --> 00:54:46,020
serve families, and serve women, and especially if you're

742
00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:47,620
messing around, it's important to this.

743
00:54:48,180 --> 00:54:51,440
But if that seems to be the visible group that brought us to ahead,

744
00:54:52,220 --> 00:54:54,580
it's time that you brought up that previous ministry.

745
00:54:54,580 --> 00:54:57,060
We have the other thing, you know,

746
00:54:57,060 --> 00:54:58,840
so, part of your mention that they're the same.

747
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,400
The Senate of the People on the Out of County, for good shelter, billed there. Nice facility. We used to discerter,

748
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:11,560
excuse me, like our Street Ministries, some of the others that were beating people on the street. We

749
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:18,560
discerged that. I mean, because it was, it was, they were already here. We were trying to spread them out, I guess.

750
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:26,740
And then in the eighth part, no, it ended up, it was a little bit all over there that had wall there. And a lot of want to stay in the, I mean,

751
00:55:26,740 --> 00:55:31,200
like you didn't park in Texas. This is where all the action is. We went out and ate the

752
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:36,780
garden. But when we had Saint James, we looked at their ID and all their all up at address

753
00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:41,340
at 810, I think the Satan put it in the market street. So they weren't going to be down here

754
00:55:41,340 --> 00:55:46,240
or woman to the residents. That's what they used so they could get mailed and had to have an ID

755
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:50,000
of somebody asking me to show that and they always had the same address on it. They're done

756
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,900
where they come from. I know Chief of Agents said a lot of the people that they're dealing with

757
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:59,240
on the street, but out over here, they're coming in here from Ireland, so I mean, this is just

758
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:03,560
work, I mean, this is a destination to be below there coming here to get our services

759
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:04,840
out there coming in the vehicle.

760
00:56:05,980 --> 00:56:08,500
And to that point, Charlie, and I want to thank you,

761
00:56:24,050 --> 00:56:26,410
I think that we need to, some of those

762
00:56:26,410 --> 00:56:32,910
charts on the numbers being overlayed on the population growth and growth in the constant

763
00:56:32,910 --> 00:56:40,310
because any of those are two factors that have, you know, really speaks in the fact that we're not getting

764
00:56:40,310 --> 00:56:43,450
had on the numbers, the numbers of the population.

765
00:56:44,430 --> 00:56:47,370
The fact is we've doubled in population since 1990.

766
00:56:48,310 --> 00:56:50,910
So, of course, we're going to have more people.

767
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:57,250
And then the cost of living the cost of rent or mortgage has more than doubled.

768
00:56:57,770 --> 00:57:01,510
And so, yeah, that's a goal that we're chasing,

769
00:57:01,510 --> 00:57:07,030
that we're probably never going to get to, but it does speak to a reason why some of these numbers

770
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:07,870
continue to come out.

771
00:57:11,310 --> 00:57:17,610
But I guess we're looking at the numbers and looking at the services that we are, we are

772
00:57:17,610 --> 00:57:19,730
to the service delivery, it was obviously small.

773
00:57:21,970 --> 00:57:27,450
And city, if you look at population, there's only one small point, because you're going to

774
00:57:27,450 --> 00:57:28,330
go through a very small street.

775
00:57:28,590 --> 00:57:32,950
You're going to have to carry out everybody as a woman in the dress, who worked on the MLK

776
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:35,930
on the way to 70th year to 70th year to 70th year to 70th year to 70th year to 80th year,

777
00:57:36,070 --> 00:57:37,250
because it's more of a less than 70th year.

778
00:57:37,570 --> 00:57:39,430
If you look at that geographic footprint,

779
00:57:40,290 --> 00:57:41,870
it's not that much laying on the way to the right.

780
00:57:42,730 --> 00:57:44,850
So we're attracting more, I believe,

781
00:57:45,290 --> 00:57:47,850
that the system has been overwhelmed by some out of population,

782
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:49,630
so I'm in it.

783
00:57:49,810 --> 00:57:52,670
And I think, and this is the opinion from me,

784
00:57:53,010 --> 00:57:55,230
based on the services that we're providing in community,

785
00:57:55,570 --> 00:57:57,230
is attracting people here.

786
00:57:57,510 --> 00:58:00,250
And somebody may say, you can go to the surrounding counties.

787
00:58:00,810 --> 00:58:03,750
You may not have that sort of soup, but they happen to move.

788
00:58:04,050 --> 00:58:05,950
You may want to go there to try it out.

789
00:58:06,730 --> 00:58:09,990
And that ends up bringing more of that, more of that

790
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:12,230
Introduction to the Bushmeans.

791
00:58:12,450 --> 00:58:15,270
The citizens are asking us to help us to fix it.

792
00:58:15,810 --> 00:58:17,670
At the same time, from the money territory,

793
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:20,670
it seems like everybody's looking at us to say,

794
00:58:21,090 --> 00:58:23,350
you, the city, the spongy ground of the area.

795
00:58:24,170 --> 00:58:25,190
You both fix it.

796
00:58:25,630 --> 00:58:26,310
It's your money.

797
00:58:26,370 --> 00:58:29,890
At the same time, we've got both bridges of it.

798
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:36,470
We've got a lot of things on our client here, and we can't do it at all, and we can do what we can do.

799
00:58:36,990 --> 00:58:41,650
But we have an issue, and it's something one way to get them.

800
00:58:42,270 --> 00:58:46,610
And you've got to have to have partners that come to the table, and they've got to try to help you,

801
00:58:46,910 --> 00:58:51,990
or not, and if you don't, and it's going to be what's going to be able to put whatever money we can into it.

802
00:58:52,410 --> 00:58:54,850
We have demonstrated that we've put money into this.

803
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:58,190
It's just the issue, is I think we have overwhelmed the system.

804
00:58:58,670 --> 00:59:02,710
And that's why I wanted to put Jackson on, because I wanted to see what they had up there.

805
00:59:02,830 --> 00:59:05,210
They had about 200,000,000 people up there.

806
00:59:05,290 --> 00:59:05,890
On to the county.

807
00:59:06,410 --> 00:59:09,950
And Moral Beach is 40 counties, 21,000 people.

808
00:59:10,410 --> 00:59:13,570
Cheap in the case of one of his meetings.

809
00:59:14,010 --> 00:59:17,490
That we, years ago, had a number of them being bust up here,

810
00:59:17,530 --> 00:59:20,550
because the service delivery in that area was not as great.

811
00:59:20,570 --> 00:59:22,290
Now, they had a 13 county area.

812
00:59:23,330 --> 00:59:23,550
Right.

813
00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:29,510
So it's a 13-county area there, one more account, so it's not only your account, it's

814
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:32,030
a dual-channel account, and it's a lot of good account needs there.

815
00:59:32,830 --> 00:59:37,970
So if you have services up this way, you can gravitate so that this way for the south,

816
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:42,150
and you can get something more than you're going to get some from the best of what account

817
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:49,570
needs to state, and it's all kind of tricky in here loaded, and somebody just said, well,

818
00:59:49,570 --> 00:59:59,970
because of how much of them, you know? I think part of it is yes, but I don't say it's on and so how do you deal with that side of it because it's

819
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:15,400
There's going to be people that can ask us for more money for shelters. We've done, I think, I think, right now, between late service, whatever, what we're doing, it's fair, what we put in permanent housing and grant grant service.

820
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:19,460
And with the only ones that have done that, we're somebody else coming to it.

821
01:00:19,460 --> 01:00:22,700
As far as local governments get over months with the only one.

822
01:00:22,860 --> 01:00:25,820
So were the only ones that have stepped up to even do the death part of it?

823
01:00:25,980 --> 01:00:36,120
We'd by the way, it was a lot of concern from the makers there about that facility there at Greenfield Lake.

824
01:00:36,420 --> 01:00:41,460
And it's turned out to be a great place because the services are there to take care of the needs of the people.

825
01:00:41,580 --> 01:00:45,080
And there's not any kind of shenanigans going on in that particular area.

826
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:49,980
And I would say the same is what happened with the spare based on what the truth has been able to do.

827
01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:51,560
But we're very limited in what we can do.

828
01:00:51,620 --> 01:00:54,940
How long did it take us to get the spare off of that three years, four years?

829
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:56,420
Taking a few years, yeah.

830
01:00:56,460 --> 01:01:00,780
A few years, so these hundreds are not easy to put together, but you have to put the commitment.

831
01:01:01,340 --> 01:01:04,740
I mean, the city put up the property and donated whatever they give them.

832
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:05,620
2.01.

833
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,060
2.01 million dollars.

834
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,540
This is not a little money that I'm throwing out there.

835
01:01:13,060 --> 01:01:17,980
So I think we just overwhelmed it and I've got some new concerns and I did a lot

836
01:01:17,980 --> 01:01:23,380
along the other day with a couple of police officers that she offered it to everybody

837
01:01:23,380 --> 01:01:25,840
to go out there and just take a look at what else is happening.

838
01:01:26,300 --> 01:01:31,840
Not only downtown but in the suburban areas, which is just a dramatic and some of the things

839
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:38,260
that we've saw out there, it's pretty, it's pretty dicey and whatever is causing it,

840
01:01:38,260 --> 01:01:41,740
I think it's because we are the magnet and we have the service that we're here and look,

841
01:01:41,820 --> 01:01:45,960
I don't have any, no disrespect to any service, but I think it was an all-in-all job and

842
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,740
one of what we're working sometimes in a shoe-stream budget.

843
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:54,480
But it's over the wellness and I don't have specific answer, that's why I want to make sure

844
01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:00,260
that we can kind of kind of give us the overall view of what we're dealing with the services

845
01:02:00,260 --> 01:02:04,520
that we have out there, the amount of money that we're spending, and can we spend it

846
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:08,020
than much more efficient manner with some of our providers

847
01:02:08,020 --> 01:02:10,260
that I think are doing really good work.

848
01:02:10,740 --> 01:02:12,300
It's just like what we do in the valuation

849
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:13,780
of all of our service deliveries,

850
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:15,740
we try to find better as we can.

851
01:02:16,060 --> 01:02:19,540
But that had the capacity to deal with a lot of the issues

852
01:02:19,540 --> 01:02:22,300
that we do, because we have to leverage tax dollars.

853
01:02:22,860 --> 01:02:23,460
All right, to do it.

854
01:02:24,380 --> 01:02:27,440
So I'd just say this gives us a pretty good end

855
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,580
to pretty good point where we are right now.

856
01:02:31,980 --> 01:02:32,540
This is it.

857
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:39,660
You know, come from your colleagues and we didn't invite any of the home this year and that's a good profession.

858
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,640
But I've known this, we've got a lot of providers here.

859
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:49,680
And I'm just curious, is there something that like is between your chest and you say,

860
01:02:50,140 --> 01:02:52,580
I wish somebody had saved.

861
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:54,540
They'd be saved now.

862
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,800
There's something that we've listened because, you know, you're there.

863
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:03,960
You need a trick, you know, guys, and what's going to happen is that we need help, and I was

864
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:10,060
understanding that much of the issues that we have are going to be doing that are chronically

865
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:14,740
focused, you know, most of the problems, or all of the assumptions.

866
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:20,020
But is there something that was just, if you need to say, then, you know, you know, you

867
01:03:20,020 --> 01:03:23,780
don't work out the room, you go catch a question, put up on that and say it's so and so.

868
01:03:24,380 --> 01:03:24,500
All right.

869
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,100
Don't give that to me.

870
01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:29,200
But yes, I'd like to invite anybody here.

871
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,060
We'll just come to meeting a two thing in the bar, the healing place,

872
01:03:32,300 --> 01:03:35,100
to discuss one of the issues we're talking about here.

873
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,200
That is people from out of the county who are coming here for services.

874
01:03:40,060 --> 01:03:43,100
And then they drop out, and they end up homeless and willing to.

875
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:43,860
All right.

876
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:44,260
Thank you.

877
01:03:44,420 --> 01:03:46,360
Then now's a two thing in the bar, the healing.

878
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:47,840
And that's a great point.

879
01:03:48,060 --> 01:03:50,100
I just wrote down, so I won't forget it.

880
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,340
Listen to you take somebody, because man, I appreciate you coming up to me.

881
01:03:54,340 --> 01:03:59,620
all the services. We're helping. So we take him and we get the services. Once he gets

882
01:03:59,620 --> 01:04:06,100
the services, what happens then? What would we do with him then? What did they do with

883
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:10,700
themselves? Then they've got, they've seen the light, you know, they've got some service,

884
01:04:10,860 --> 01:04:16,760
they maybe get some continuum of some follow-up care, but they're, he's still in the same

885
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:21,600
economic situation. He was, but he was out there doing drugs and a lot of what do we do

886
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:27,840
because if you're right they're going to get right back if they can't get any follow-up

887
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:32,840
hell or some kind of support, what's its point of results or options?

888
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:40,520
I think that you mentioned something about, when that person gets this breath, it may be

889
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:47,020
it may be that the opportunity that we give that may be the step that helps them get there and it may

890
01:04:47,020 --> 01:04:57,440
You know, I think I don't want to wish you mention what is the percentage of those who get services and don't come back, he said something like

891
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,980
Under 5% of the folks who are placed in house

892
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:13,560
I'm just wanted to say that I also appreciate the fact that you mentioned it, Charlie, that

893
01:05:15,860 --> 01:05:29,240
holds people. In the room, I did go out yesterday and I talked to a few people. I don't know, it's a really small sample, and I did let them know that we were meeting today and, you know, what did they want people to know?

894
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:40,200
It's a small sample. I only got to talk to three people, but you know, one of the things that speaks to this question of, you know, how do you stay, how is it first of all?

895
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:49,520
If you don't have an address, I talked to one young woman, and this is the woman that was featured on WCT on the fifth. I recognized her, and so I wanted to talk to her.

896
01:05:49,520 --> 01:06:13,760
And she did get housing greatly and became homes again and because of that, she lost her ability to collect her social security disability and so that's part of it, you know, until we until somebody has a permanent address, they have trouble collecting their benefits and being able to maintain it.

897
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,180
So that's one thing.

898
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:20,260
I talked to two other gentlemen who, by the way,

899
01:06:20,380 --> 01:06:22,200
all three of these people said that they

900
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:23,800
became homeless and we've never counted.

901
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:25,820
Again, I know it's a small sample.

902
01:06:27,620 --> 01:06:31,800
I talked to two gentlemen who, and none of these people

903
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,940
who were up here to be intoxicated.

904
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,980
And I talked to two gentlemen who said,

905
01:06:40,380 --> 01:06:43,540
I talked about this meeting, but this is in a great format,

906
01:06:43,540 --> 01:06:47,540
either for people to just show up, you know, we're not having it on our map.

907
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,340
So I just told me that we were having it.

908
01:06:51,580 --> 01:06:52,880
What were the last people to know?

909
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:57,380
And they said, you know, we just need a roof over our heads, you know,

910
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:58,560
we just need housing.

911
01:06:58,980 --> 01:07:01,620
And so I'm just passing that along.

912
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:06,660
But, and also I appreciate the work that the task force did earlier,

913
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:11,600
getting the voices up and homeless into the internet.

914
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:13,600
So thank you for that too.

915
01:07:15,950 --> 01:07:16,470
Just compare.

916
01:07:17,210 --> 01:07:19,150
Just be honest with what you want to know.

917
01:07:19,350 --> 01:07:20,830
I mean, I can't agree with it.

918
01:07:22,590 --> 01:07:23,250
I mean, I can't agree with it.

919
01:07:23,250 --> 01:07:25,170
I would just want to chime in.

920
01:07:25,290 --> 01:07:27,450
I just didn't plan the tension here.

921
01:07:27,910 --> 01:07:30,210
And I think we couldn't.

922
01:07:30,350 --> 01:07:34,590
We can't engage the title, don't get home through our.

923
01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:37,190
Based on it, if a person will.

924
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:39,110
We, really, absolutely not.

925
01:07:39,110 --> 01:07:54,550
If they have some sort of a substance abuse, I will all abuse or not, I think what we need to do is create a model and that it is that will help all individuals going forward.

926
01:07:54,690 --> 01:08:04,390
I think that's the idea. So, you know, we can try to gain the amount of help that's been done in the past 17 years, 15 years, 20 years.

927
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:28,770
So we work homelessness, it's kind of like crimes, it's going to be there, but what do we do as the government body and what I think we're going to all the stats that we've provided today by Rachel and her team is that we've been in this business for quite a while and we're deeply able to see.

928
01:08:28,770 --> 01:08:36,110
in not only, you know, I don't know, but what I'm going to do with it, so how do we bring

929
01:08:36,110 --> 01:08:42,570
other folks that are able to help us continue doing work to help us improve? I think that's

930
01:08:42,570 --> 01:08:51,790
a big issue, you know, we can talk about our care and how they perceive to us, but let's

931
01:08:51,790 --> 01:09:09,410
It's not how we perceive a person to be a mental state, physical state, you know, if they're standing on the corner as a gimmick or whatever, but it's not truly our concern that we're genuinely here to help.

932
01:10:00,180 --> 01:10:28,200
I think people had already eaten now. What was the, what was the, what was the magic moment that you just said, this is what I will, I'm tired of living in the woods, under one, he got a check and he bought a room, under a generator, so he could have electric blanket when it was cold out there in the woods. And he was, and then he spent eating house doing great.

933
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:34,500
And not just the House, there are lots of other avenues, should be, but I think that's a

934
01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:34,800
fact.

935
01:10:34,900 --> 01:10:41,940
Nips and adios are good right to the crossing of a matter, so if you could do something today,

936
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:43,020
what would it be?

937
01:10:43,460 --> 01:10:46,220
Let's go to the start from there and then move out.

938
01:10:47,220 --> 01:10:50,460
That is something that, like I said, the CSC is planning on doing is free having

939
01:10:50,460 --> 01:10:51,360
more of those conversations.

940
01:10:51,580 --> 01:10:54,520
So we can provide updates more regularly with some of that.

941
01:10:54,520 --> 01:11:00,960
And we do a little bit of experience, and then we effectively solicited health and folks

942
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,680
that receive our services and we've had folks that are in our system of our permits

943
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:09,700
for housing and health and life rates actually vouchers so that they can be anywhere to do

944
01:11:09,700 --> 01:11:15,060
them on folks that when we talk about our PFHCA, one of our current residents and part of that.

945
01:11:15,180 --> 01:11:20,640
So we do make that a clean effort, and then a lot of what we do with folks that reach out

946
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,580
is asked if it's a very interesting question.

947
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:29,920
We try to be a much more prominent form, but what's brought you today, and what do you think is the most important thing?

948
01:11:29,980 --> 01:11:35,740
And you make a really good point when folks can't list somewhere for $300 a month, and within,

949
01:11:36,140 --> 01:11:38,280
they're kind of chasing things because we'd be able to have support.

950
01:11:38,780 --> 01:11:40,040
One of the things I've heard out there.

951
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,100
That was an empty.

952
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:48,900
One of the things we are anxious about is, are just a familiarity case or income.

953
01:11:48,900 --> 01:11:58,280
So, two is what we have of somewhere supported in the lobby, there, and then just work on the same to partner in the workforce development, both of several of us.

954
01:11:58,300 --> 01:12:05,740
But to your point, if you don't have an address, you can take a shower at that point where you don't know where you're going to use the facility to the party to be at a job on time.

955
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,140
But we're able to be presentable enough to speak that in a minute.

956
01:12:09,180 --> 01:12:11,020
So, that's a big part of this point.

957
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:12,760
We'll be too regular.

958
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:16,740
But there are a lot of research, but it also, actually, many of those that have received

959
01:12:16,740 --> 01:12:22,420
certain that are currently receiving certain telling us what they think that is

960
01:12:22,420 --> 01:12:23,140
certain.

961
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:25,160
Step off.

962
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:33,040
Then work with under the asking center for the values of the shape of the school there.

963
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,700
I know that they are in there helping those families try to find jobs.

964
01:12:37,700 --> 01:12:43,700
The job skills, prep, try to take some of the jobs that we're out there.

965
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,520
So they also work, I'm sure we can check for all the other power, power, and stuff,

966
01:12:47,660 --> 01:12:48,920
and then we'll just kind of work.

967
01:12:49,100 --> 01:12:50,120
Try to open a blind job.

968
01:12:51,220 --> 01:12:52,220
Yes, they do.

969
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:53,880
Which is a big organization.

970
01:12:54,220 --> 01:12:55,980
You speak to communities in the public industry.

971
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,380
I'm sure it's the way the transfer of derivatives.

972
01:12:58,900 --> 01:12:59,740
Step on them.

973
01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:01,800
They seem to have a pretty good program in the garden.

974
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:03,600
Can they,

975
01:13:04,220 --> 01:13:06,120
job with the people that need them?

976
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:06,500
Absolutely.

977
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:09,860
Is that the only one that you know which?

978
01:13:10,020 --> 01:13:10,900
It's probably the largest.

979
01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:12,340
That's working in that.

980
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:14,860
There's some other resources.

981
01:13:15,260 --> 01:13:17,500
But that's the largest organization in this area.

982
01:13:19,420 --> 01:13:19,560
Yeah.

983
01:13:19,820 --> 01:13:19,920
Yeah.

984
01:13:20,220 --> 01:13:20,940
That's it.

985
01:13:21,020 --> 01:13:23,540
The other thing that the eight hundred pounds of really

986
01:13:23,540 --> 01:13:27,700
And the reason is that this is so important.

987
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,240
But we wouldn't be here.

988
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:33,180
But you quoted 127,000 people living in the city.

989
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:41,200
I have a big concern about their quality of life as well, and we have these folks out there that are

990
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:41,880
wreaking havoc.

991
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,100
I'm not talking about the homeless people as a whole.

992
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,460
I'm talking about the big run on the down front street,

993
01:13:50,580 --> 01:13:54,360
not attacking people, but being

994
01:13:54,360 --> 01:14:03,040
locally aggressive, leaving horrible masses on the street to people's positions out here

995
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:08,580
around the medical community, sleeping up in the alcoves, on the weekend when they're not

996
01:14:08,580 --> 01:14:15,520
keeping hours and leaving a horrible mess, every Monday morning, we had a great discussion

997
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,380
in our last council meeting about that.

998
01:14:17,580 --> 01:14:22,240
This is also something that the times right in, and we've got to address that.

999
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:27,900
That's not something we've been that we've brought up the tenure plan for ending homelessness.

1000
01:14:28,580 --> 01:14:30,800
We can't have a tenure plan for ending this.

1001
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,040
this has got, this is something that's got to happen.

1002
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:38,880
Those tastes with getting our, and of course, the downtown is the magnet, and it's everywhere,

1003
01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:45,720
but we've got to clean up and make these people that are out there applying their trade with

1004
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,720
their business, and they're never going to stop business, first of all, it's a challenge every

1005
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:56,240
day, and then to have this kind of, these kind of things happening, it's a real handicapped,

1006
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,540
and we are sitting and we have got to.

1007
01:15:00,110 --> 01:15:09,670
Do something quick about that. You can't continue to go on, we heard business, no, we're out of business, no, out of business, no last Tuesday night.

1008
01:15:09,850 --> 01:15:18,210
There are ones in the treacherous, I guess. And I, I would not like to speak, is there a shoes? And we've got to do something about that.

1009
01:15:18,210 --> 01:15:26,530
I set it back on that program because I think it is important I think it's journeying to the larger discussion that we have that I appreciate this discussion

1010
01:15:26,530 --> 01:15:31,370
and I'm willing to have many meetings until we, you know, as you guys wanted to do, I said it last week.

1011
01:15:32,250 --> 01:15:39,270
Yeah, I mean, I'm going to think too ideas and move into adult processes on ways we can make it better how we can, you know, increase services.

1012
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:44,450
We obviously are waiting for the region, but there have been a lot of ideas about the table today.

1013
01:15:46,570 --> 01:15:48,690
So maybe additional services that we may need.

1014
01:15:49,010 --> 01:15:53,030
But shouldn't we also prioritize the safety and cleanliness of our public spaces.

1015
01:15:53,190 --> 01:15:54,430
They belong to Africa.

1016
01:15:54,930 --> 01:16:02,910
And we need to say very clearly that our public spaces and our sidewalks, our streets,

1017
01:16:02,910 --> 01:16:09,890
start the businesses should be, this should be safe clean places for everybody to go

1018
01:16:09,890 --> 01:16:10,290
with.

1019
01:16:10,370 --> 01:16:13,710
Good to see you once and we can walk and we can shoot them at the same time.

1020
01:16:14,930 --> 01:16:19,610
Can I agree with Councilor Ryder Park, this is something that we can have these meetings

1021
01:16:19,610 --> 01:16:23,610
we can continue to come up with plans, but we need action and we need actually quickly and I hope

1022
01:16:23,610 --> 01:16:28,350
if this September meeting could be so moved to, we take that action and move to the north

1023
01:16:28,350 --> 01:16:31,030
that's where I know we're going to have additional conversation about that now, what's

1024
01:16:31,470 --> 01:16:31,870
that?

1025
01:16:32,410 --> 01:16:32,810
Rachel.

1026
01:16:46,230 --> 01:16:51,210
That's generally the cost of homelessness is about 35,000 dollars a year for a person.

1027
01:16:51,310 --> 01:16:54,730
On the whole system, I'm not necessarily just the city of Wilmington and its services

1028
01:16:54,730 --> 01:16:57,630
the jail, the hospital, all the different services.

1029
01:16:58,070 --> 01:17:01,550
Okay. On a hundred definitions, I'm just curious.

1030
01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:05,150
I think we get a certain amount of funding from five.

1031
01:17:05,250 --> 01:17:06,410
Some of these services.

1032
01:17:08,150 --> 01:17:11,530
What is that definition for capital for community?

1033
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:14,070
Is there a number?

1034
01:17:14,850 --> 01:17:19,090
It's like what they say for, you mentioned it earlier,

1035
01:17:20,050 --> 01:17:23,190
like one point two percent or something like that.

1036
01:17:24,130 --> 01:17:32,250
That's the, that's just what they're doing at the point of time, they're saying, on average, this is how many people understand that, but they don't have a set number.

1037
01:17:32,750 --> 01:17:36,210
So there's not a, so we're not above the national average.

1038
01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:39,650
All we above the national average, or above the national average, or above the national average.

1039
01:17:40,170 --> 01:17:52,130
That's what that, because there's some sort of the definition of the task, some point to that, which is my own goal, if you don't get the money, or you haven't passed, based on maybe what our population is.

1040
01:17:52,650 --> 01:17:54,230
Is there a number there?

1041
01:17:54,590 --> 01:18:00,670
The disadvantage is that we are seeing the number of folks in the point of time count in New

1042
01:18:00,670 --> 01:18:03,810
Hanover County, more specifically the city of Wilmington.

1043
01:18:04,090 --> 01:18:09,270
But as the COC is a whole is rated off of the whole region, so that's Pender, Brunswick, New

1044
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:10,990
Hanover, and the city of Wilmington.

1045
01:18:11,210 --> 01:18:16,790
So when you look at this chart, how we compared to the overall average, we're at 12 per

1046
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:20,310
10,000, where the national average is 23 per 10,000.

1047
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:24,890
So we're about below, but when you look more locally at the city of Wilmington, we're about 25.

1048
01:18:26,010 --> 01:18:26,770
So we're about it.

1049
01:18:26,770 --> 01:18:28,110
So we're about the National Library.

1050
01:18:32,350 --> 01:18:33,010
Excuse me.

1051
01:18:33,150 --> 01:18:33,370
Excuse me.

1052
01:18:33,550 --> 01:18:37,430
You were just talking about, and Charlie was talking about earlier that we should be, you know,

1053
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:40,870
the cost of hospitalization and talking to the people in head,

1054
01:18:40,970 --> 01:18:43,950
he'd be illiterate because one of the reasons the doctor thought was

1055
01:18:43,950 --> 01:18:47,310
found that he'd be illiterate because of the number of people that he was seeing that we're using

1056
01:18:47,310 --> 01:18:52,070
their emergency for him as their shelter, but even if he was to get out of the coal,

1057
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:57,630
you know, they would come in with their albums because they had their face to sleep and, you

1058
01:18:57,630 --> 01:19:01,830
know, I did tour even village when there was a woman that just happened to be getting her

1059
01:19:01,830 --> 01:19:02,530
home that day.

1060
01:19:03,530 --> 01:19:09,810
And so, you know, and hearing her story, she came here to move on to an area that her mother was

1061
01:19:09,810 --> 01:19:12,950
here and her mother was elderly and needed her assistance.

1062
01:19:13,310 --> 01:19:17,370
So she quit her job, wherever she was from, of course, came here to take care of her mother.

1063
01:19:17,370 --> 01:19:34,390
They were living on her mother's social security, when her mother eventually passed, she had no money coming in because she didn't have a job, she wasn't old enough for social security herself, she didn't have a job, she lost her home in addition to losing her mother and she began living in her car.

1064
01:19:34,810 --> 01:19:42,630
Because of that, she started having terrible back problems and started showing up at the ER when she couldn't drive anymore because her back problems were so bad.

1065
01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:50,630
So, yeah, at $35,000 a year, we are spending on hospitals and jails because this person couldn't

1066
01:19:51,770 --> 01:19:57,150
loss her home through no fall at all. So, you know, there is that situation, so I appreciate it.

1067
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:05,620
The groups of people are at two other railing centers, they'll be from any of the trends that pushes them to the comments.

1068
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:07,660
Is anybody else really good like to say?

1069
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:11,420
Does anybody have to do it?

1070
01:20:16,530 --> 01:20:23,490
Is there a way far about doing this now and that this is that should decide for how those different groups of people that are homeless?

1071
01:20:23,890 --> 01:20:26,370
Because we know that they're homes are different places.

1072
01:20:27,010 --> 01:20:35,370
Some ask that because of the ones that said on the side of the website, they know that next month of dollars, they didn't have that much to say.

1073
01:20:36,150 --> 01:20:41,210
And they have nothing to make to encourage them to do anything different.

1074
01:20:41,810 --> 01:20:44,150
Because I'm just going to ask that.

1075
01:20:44,410 --> 01:20:45,750
I got it. I'm going back.

1076
01:20:47,260 --> 01:20:52,160
I'll be recited in Apple, so people might have to buy and copy the one that you

1077
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:57,860
cut it out on the one that, for whatever reason, that they live in that car, or the one

1078
01:20:57,860 --> 01:21:02,840
that doesn't have a problem with our substance abuse, or whatever, that's how we divide

1079
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:07,760
into those groups of other types of people out, that's where their own is the different reasons.

1080
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:13,400
Yes, that's part of what happens with some of the HMIS, that's why that data information

1081
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:17,880
and it's not important to be able to really see the different causes and reason that how

1082
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:19,880
we can have the solutions our retirement.

1083
01:21:20,440 --> 01:21:23,980
Okay, because that's what I was saying, so if you did that, then then you could come up with

1084
01:21:23,980 --> 01:21:30,060
solution for like that person, or person that's just not that because A is just easy for me to

1085
01:21:30,060 --> 01:21:37,600
get out of this one. That person, if you can decide about who that person is, then what else can

1086
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:41,110
we do to help you, so you don't have to do that.

1087
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:42,570
Good morning.

1088
01:21:43,590 --> 01:21:43,770
There.

1089
01:21:44,490 --> 01:21:45,750
This gentleman is another room.

1090
01:21:46,090 --> 01:21:46,970
What a debate conference.

1091
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:48,350
Thank you.

1092
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:53,220
I'm Tony Perez.

1093
01:21:53,460 --> 01:21:56,460
I'm living hope base center when the one at time.

1094
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:58,740
My wife and I'm in the shelter downtown.

1095
01:21:59,100 --> 01:22:00,180
It's just a day center.

1096
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:03,300
A couple of things.

1097
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:05,440
I guess can I say first and foremost.

1098
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,180
There's about 20 people next to the room.

1099
01:22:07,340 --> 01:22:09,480
It's kind of like another room.

1100
01:22:10,220 --> 01:22:14,740
Perhaps we could consider that whenever this conversation is going to come up, we need to have

1101
01:22:14,740 --> 01:22:18,780
plan for a more space so that we could all be in the same room.

1102
01:22:18,940 --> 01:22:21,360
I can ask that, that makes sense.

1103
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:30,490
I speak with 80, 90 people come through my day shelter on average, so I ask you once every

1104
01:22:30,490 --> 01:22:31,310
day that we're open.

1105
01:22:33,310 --> 01:22:39,330
I keep hearing this continual thing that they're being bused in, they're coming through somewhere else.

1106
01:22:39,970 --> 01:22:44,150
First hand experience of dealing with unless not the case, most of them are very

1107
01:22:44,150 --> 01:22:44,590
awful.

1108
01:22:45,670 --> 01:22:52,290
In fact, I think the number is stated that 80% of people have a local address with

1109
01:22:52,290 --> 01:22:53,210
all their respect.

1110
01:22:53,230 --> 01:22:55,570
It feels like you asked for that question.

1111
01:22:55,830 --> 01:23:00,290
You've got the answer just doesn't fit the narrative so that we keep saying they're being

1112
01:23:00,290 --> 01:23:05,370
And I would tell you, and it don't leave from first-hand experience, I don't see that happening.

1113
01:23:07,950 --> 01:23:15,750
And then the other thing I guess I'd like to say is, and this may surprise you.

1114
01:23:16,170 --> 01:23:27,250
As a serial entrepreneur myself, I certainly do understand the difficulties that the downtown district faces with the homeless population.

1115
01:23:28,150 --> 01:23:30,330
And I'm very sympathetic to that.

1116
01:23:30,930 --> 01:23:35,070
If I were running a business, I wouldn't want to come to work every day to a mess.

1117
01:23:35,550 --> 01:23:36,290
I mean, I do.

1118
01:23:36,750 --> 01:23:37,290
It's what I do.

1119
01:23:38,330 --> 01:23:40,810
But I gladly pick it up and I go about to do my business.

1120
01:23:41,410 --> 01:23:44,550
But that's the business I'm in, so I understand that.

1121
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:51,610
I would propose that rather than creating new regulations, let's look at what already exists.

1122
01:23:52,330 --> 01:23:56,870
And if it really is just a handful of folks that are creating the issues, let's still

1123
01:23:56,870 --> 01:24:00,470
a handful of folks, but it's not through the baby out with a basketball.

1124
01:24:04,060 --> 01:24:06,660
I'd be glad if there were any questions I wasn't expecting this.

1125
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,920
I didn't think we were going to be able to make comments.

1126
01:24:09,180 --> 01:24:10,620
I wasn't really well prepared for that.

1127
01:24:11,460 --> 01:24:13,960
But if there's that one burning question that you'd like to ask,

1128
01:24:14,140 --> 01:24:16,020
and somebody who's in the trenches every day,

1129
01:24:16,100 --> 01:24:18,260
I'd be willing to figure out some questions.

1130
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,660
I'd like to ask of the 80, 90 that you see.

1131
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:24,600
How are they consistent?

1132
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:26,940
I'm going to say the same 80, 90.

1133
01:24:26,940 --> 01:24:33,320
So, much like the issues with the downtown, there's a small percentage that is pretty consistent.

1134
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:41,060
Of that group of people I've seen on an average day, most of them I don't recognize that I haven't seen them very many times.

1135
01:24:41,740 --> 01:24:48,880
Several of them, a small percentage of handful of them, are what's being referred to as a chronicly healthness, yes.

1136
01:24:49,340 --> 01:24:50,900
But the majority of them are not.

1137
01:24:50,900 --> 01:24:56,940
They're transient that come in, that you resolve, whether they serve resolve through our case manager, whatever.

1138
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,500
What do you care to? Whatever it is, it's the issue for the day and then move on.

1139
01:25:06,740 --> 01:25:12,120
What is living, how took a person comes into your facility? What do you do for?

1140
01:25:13,340 --> 01:25:21,380
Living hope is a faith-based, first of all. Our first objective is to be a hospitality group that

1141
01:25:21,380 --> 01:25:24,680
lock them to people and gives them the safe place to be out the street for a while.

1142
01:25:26,140 --> 01:25:31,680
We've done a case manager that works part-time and we try to connect people to services with.

1143
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:35,720
But for the most part, you can hear access.

1144
01:25:35,940 --> 01:25:39,500
We actually have a little section where they can do art for folks who are so inclined.

1145
01:25:41,340 --> 01:25:45,560
You guys can sit around and do whatever you want at home, so can I.

1146
01:25:46,420 --> 01:25:50,240
But if you don't have a place to relax and get your mind settled,

1147
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,860
And then addressing the bigger issues in life for our personal and possible.

1148
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:56,380
So that's our objective.

1149
01:25:56,580 --> 01:26:00,020
It's just trying to get a place of rest and help them.

1150
01:26:00,060 --> 01:26:01,940
So it is like a day serr.

1151
01:26:02,140 --> 01:26:03,520
It's absolutely a day serr.

1152
01:26:03,660 --> 01:26:07,420
Okay, I mean there's not shower facilities or food or stuff like that.

1153
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,620
So we provide meals every day.

1154
01:26:11,020 --> 01:26:14,500
We partner with some other folks to provide.

1155
01:26:14,780 --> 01:26:16,480
We don't have shower facility,

1156
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,960
but we're working towards laundry facility stuff like that.

1157
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,480
And when you mentioned work transient, all the way,

1158
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,500
what do you mean by that just people just coming

1159
01:26:24,500 --> 01:26:26,700
word of mouth coming to you?

1160
01:26:26,860 --> 01:26:27,300
Right.

1161
01:26:27,380 --> 01:26:30,680
My phone rings constantly because it's the phone number

1162
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:31,060
on a bill.

1163
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:35,200
And the normal question is always, I need a place to stay tonight.

1164
01:26:36,300 --> 01:26:39,400
But when I say transient, I guess what I'm not saying

1165
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,900
to be clear is that they're being bused in from someone else

1166
01:26:41,900 --> 01:26:43,620
and say, hey, I just got here from her beach.

1167
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,500
Or I just got here from Raleigh or wherever.

1168
01:26:47,420 --> 01:26:48,380
Can you help me?

1169
01:26:48,380 --> 01:26:52,380
What I mean by that is they're global people who come in

1170
01:26:53,340 --> 01:26:56,780
Because of whatever scenario that put them in a difficult position

1171
01:26:56,780 --> 01:27:00,600
They work towards resolving that issue and then they move on

1172
01:27:02,460 --> 01:27:04,560
There's there's a point of contact like there for

1173
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:10,820
Remember people who I've talked over thought of for there. It's where my staff has sent an email that everyone if you invite you to come

1174
01:27:10,820 --> 01:27:11,920
But I see you

1175
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,760
Okay, but you have a case man, yes

1176
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:19,520
Who who sponsored the case man

1177
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:25,920
are they from social service or that is about that is a that is a paid staff position

1178
01:27:26,780 --> 01:27:32,940
that we have budgeted in our line item are number one funding is from the end-down

1179
01:27:32,940 --> 01:27:39,640
but we also have other like-minded people who believe in the mission what we try to do and they just

1180
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:48,720
have fun what we do is a case manager don't we later have time yes right now that's that's where

1181
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:54,860
We have a part-time caterer that's open about half the time that we're physically up.

1182
01:27:55,100 --> 01:27:56,780
Then we go to the fun back of funding.

1183
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:00,480
It's a challenge in question.

1184
01:28:00,900 --> 01:28:05,100
I believe like a raise the position of the funding for a full-time position.

1185
01:28:05,660 --> 01:28:08,840
The right person that I have is available part-time.

1186
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:14,060
I could probably hire somebody else, but I have a really good case in it here.

1187
01:28:14,300 --> 01:28:17,300
And we're working on having to get more time from her.

1188
01:28:17,420 --> 01:28:18,780
That's quite a lot of time.

1189
01:28:18,780 --> 01:28:30,940
That was what the results, when you work in case man, family statistics and saying, we work with eight guys, seven of them did something wrong.

1190
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:39,760
So, I should clarify that our level of case man is probably a little different than what perhaps you might be thinking.

1191
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,540
Because we're not housing experts, we're just hospitality people.

1192
01:28:43,540 --> 01:28:57,500
So, our objective isn't sunlight. I mean, only the objective is to get in a house, but we're really more concerned about can we get them in contact with family? Can we get them to the medical appointments? Can we do different sorts of things like that?

1193
01:28:57,500 --> 01:29:02,000
It was basic stuff that when you're so overwhelmed

1194
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,780
it becomes really hard to do what you're hoping.

1195
01:29:06,140 --> 01:29:07,320
I want to appreciate you being here.

1196
01:29:07,380 --> 01:29:09,080
I appreciate the ministry that you have to do.

1197
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,300
I think it's very important.

1198
01:29:13,950 --> 01:29:15,330
I appreciate all these folks doing.

1199
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:16,690
I know it's a difficult work.

1200
01:29:17,190 --> 01:29:20,370
You said that your phone rings cost them a lot of folks

1201
01:29:20,370 --> 01:29:22,010
who are looking for where they're going to stay

1202
01:29:22,010 --> 01:29:23,610
to see the next place to stay tonight.

1203
01:29:23,850 --> 01:29:26,930
That's not some of that you guys are able to hold.

1204
01:29:26,930 --> 01:29:28,390
We are just fixing a day shelter.

1205
01:29:28,390 --> 01:29:34,710
we are not, I know we're not to so let's think and I believe Dr. Dalton had brought forward

1206
01:29:34,710 --> 01:29:40,570
a short-term emergency shelter option of 60s-90 beds, who wasn't done. We were working on that,

1207
01:29:40,630 --> 01:29:44,850
but again we were looking for a location. I was, I was a huge supporter of that because it's a massive

1208
01:29:45,630 --> 01:29:50,090
need that we need in this community, but I believe and I can go back and look at minutes that the

1209
01:29:50,090 --> 01:29:54,190
majority of Council didn't want to do it because it didn't subscribe to the housing first, it didn't

1210
01:29:54,190 --> 01:29:54,870
I'm the council.

1211
01:29:55,510 --> 01:29:56,370
What's in for that?

1212
01:29:56,490 --> 01:29:56,970
We're all over.

1213
01:29:57,010 --> 01:29:57,110
We're all over.

1214
01:29:57,110 --> 01:29:57,310
We're all over.

1215
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:13,930
I thought a lot of accusations are going to be over the last week, and I have to see a lot of it, and so I apologize for a little bit more boisterous than usual.

1216
01:30:15,010 --> 01:30:18,110
Walk us through the process, there, why, why would not it have a broad forward council?

1217
01:30:19,230 --> 01:30:26,530
I need to go back and check. I know there were reports provided to council, the council could take any form, that way we submitted reports.

1218
01:30:26,530 --> 01:30:32,230
The big part of it was, if you recall, Dr. Dalton, I'm going to skip some context if everybody's here.

1219
01:30:32,850 --> 01:30:41,910
What I'm recalling is his proposal to use to call the complex for a location set up chance.

1220
01:30:42,490 --> 01:30:47,390
About 80 to 90 shifts, a couple of issues occurring on that problem.

1221
01:30:47,390 --> 01:30:52,430
The first and foremost, it's used as the police evidence compound violence

1222
01:30:52,430 --> 01:30:57,270
that we had, we gave it to the building, and he was behind the fire department

1223
01:30:57,270 --> 01:31:02,830
and the other part of it was, it was, he had some concerns about

1224
01:31:03,870 --> 01:31:08,250
what we talked about, big part of it was the plug-in zoning.

1225
01:31:09,410 --> 01:31:14,870
And also, at night, not having 70, 80 people, once the facility closed in the morning,

1226
01:31:14,870 --> 01:31:22,890
just dropping out on 16 to 17th Street that numbers seem to be pretty large and then there was a

1227
01:31:22,890 --> 01:31:27,950
anticipation of its need. In fact, that facility has been used right now to house our urban forest

1228
01:31:27,950 --> 01:31:33,750
region and they have their equipment and staff over there. But it's not that we couldn't make it happen.

1229
01:31:34,290 --> 01:31:38,750
It seemed to be that that location given and this information was submitted as I were

1230
01:31:38,750 --> 01:31:41,250
all and writing what it analysis and everything else.

1231
01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:45,790
That location also had a higher concentration

1232
01:31:45,790 --> 01:31:47,470
of street traffic already.

1233
01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:52,170
As well as we had low income housing and whatnot,

1234
01:31:52,490 --> 01:31:54,910
we felt like having that much more concentration

1235
01:31:54,910 --> 01:31:58,810
dropping out into that area would probably be a distance.

1236
01:31:59,370 --> 01:32:02,330
I was just asking, is that ever brought to the council?

1237
01:32:03,070 --> 01:32:05,090
I believe it was submitted as a written report.

1238
01:32:05,230 --> 01:32:06,250
I believe it was a written report.

1239
01:32:06,250 --> 01:32:06,410
I believe it was a written report.

1240
01:32:06,410 --> 01:32:09,390
It wasn't that kind of thing, I couldn't do this.

1241
01:32:10,090 --> 01:32:11,270
I couldn't double check.

1242
01:32:11,650 --> 01:32:13,950
It's been two and a half years ago.

1243
01:32:14,150 --> 01:32:15,930
It's been two and a half years ago.

1244
01:32:16,130 --> 01:32:16,510
Maybe three.

1245
01:32:17,110 --> 01:32:18,910
The location was bad with concepts.

1246
01:32:20,430 --> 01:32:21,730
And what problem should have happened?

1247
01:32:22,310 --> 01:32:24,810
I think I'm sure I was still using anybody.

1248
01:32:25,310 --> 01:32:26,610
It's not pushing it.

1249
01:32:26,710 --> 01:32:29,230
If that location doesn't water down, I'll just find one of the doors.

1250
01:32:32,340 --> 01:32:32,880
Same time.

1251
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:33,200
Yes,

1252
01:32:36,420 --> 01:32:36,420
ma'am.

1253
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:40,720
I also want to say that at the same time we were looking at a different

1254
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:47,380
type of shelter. I know some of her join her top of the region's borough with the

1255
01:32:47,380 --> 01:32:55,520
Schiller to look at their temporary shelters if they put up their pod concept, which I believe

1256
01:32:55,520 --> 01:33:03,560
was palatones, and that there's a problem with both those and the godpots that were being

1257
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:16,500
Those five, by Mr. Dr. Donald, that if it had to do with the commissioner, insurance that we couldn't leave them up for a certain period of time because they didn't make building code.

1258
01:33:16,820 --> 01:33:27,400
So there were some technical issues. Why that never came back to Council that we need to work through before we can come up with a tiny kind of concept.

1259
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:32,260
That was my recommendation as well.

1260
01:33:34,660 --> 01:33:35,900
Well, Tony, did you finish?

1261
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:37,640
Thank you.

1262
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:38,380
I have David.

1263
01:33:39,900 --> 01:33:44,700
Thank you very much for allowing me to state just for a couple minutes.

1264
01:33:44,940 --> 01:33:45,880
My name is Hillary Faubin.

1265
01:33:46,220 --> 01:33:47,120
I'm a psychologist.

1266
01:33:47,660 --> 01:33:50,060
I'm the clinical director of Physician Alliance Mental Health.

1267
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:50,760
Here in London.

1268
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,620
And we specialize in treatment effects with primary psychotic disorders.

1269
01:33:55,420 --> 01:33:57,460
And so that is being whisked up.

1270
01:33:57,460 --> 01:34:05,100
He's a effective disorder about voter psychotic features, those folks that you regularly see in the emergency department, but that she's seen in the state hospitals

1271
01:34:05,100 --> 01:34:11,360
The folks who significantly struggle with maintaining any type of stability in their lives including health

1272
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:21,900
We have three large teams all of which go into the community to talk about psychiatric care. Our doctors, our nurses, our social workers, our therapist, our employment specials

1273
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:26,420
housing specialists, peer-sports specialists, all go into the community, make these individuals

1274
01:34:26,420 --> 01:34:27,100
where they are.

1275
01:34:27,420 --> 01:34:31,320
We make them downtown, we make them in their homes, if they have them, we'll meet them.

1276
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:37,300
In strict corners, anywhere that we may need to, and each one of those teams have housing

1277
01:34:37,300 --> 01:34:38,780
specialists full-time dedicated.

1278
01:34:38,940 --> 01:34:42,900
It's not required by the state, because we provide home Medicaid services.

1279
01:34:43,420 --> 01:34:47,200
It's not required by the state, but it's mandatory that we have them for our folks to have

1280
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:47,660
stability.

1281
01:34:47,660 --> 01:34:59,760
Some of the greatest issues that we see in helping those folks with those types of sorts of maintain that housing is the fact that they are also victimized in this process, we are part of a group.

1282
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,120
Overcome the barrier of taking these vulnerable individuals, who are also perpetrators of climate

1283
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:12,200
time. I would never say that they are not. But having those votes be in-hums with subsidies,

1284
01:35:13,140 --> 01:35:18,460
with tendency supports, and then having people come in and victimize them themselves. And so,

1285
01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:25,040
we are regularly having our individuals finally get into housing, work start working on a lot,

1286
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:26,500
possibly not using substances,

1287
01:35:27,020 --> 01:35:28,500
possibly start looking for a job,

1288
01:35:28,820 --> 01:35:32,000
and then people, they're groups of individuals

1289
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,220
in the town that identify these folks,

1290
01:35:34,440 --> 01:35:36,500
come into their homes, use them to sell drugs,

1291
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:37,920
use them to run guns,

1292
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:39,600
and then ultimately our clients leave

1293
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:40,700
because they don't just save.

1294
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:45,140
And so it is a small portion of what you guys are talking about,

1295
01:35:45,220 --> 01:35:46,920
but it's also a very significant portion

1296
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:50,260
because we are constantly having to re-house.

1297
01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:51,640
In substandard housing,

1298
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:56,860
But how is just because there's prompting for training on them as well?

1299
01:35:57,440 --> 01:36:00,800
And so what I don't want to do is come in and say let me make it more complicated.

1300
01:36:01,260 --> 01:36:04,780
But if we're talking about some of those really sick individuals in this town,

1301
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:09,820
the folks that we don't want to have to be a downtown on the sidewalks that we want them to be sheltered,

1302
01:36:10,660 --> 01:36:15,000
we as providers also need assistance in overcoming those barriers.

1303
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:22,380
We're working with a small break within the NDT with APS, some of the head APS, through DSS

1304
01:36:22,380 --> 01:36:27,140
with multiple other entities, but it's something we can significantly use your help in

1305
01:36:27,140 --> 01:36:31,280
and help in taking a small portion of these folks and help keep them in safe capacity.

1306
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:44,420
I would probably say of, I've been doing this for 16 years and in the past five years

1307
01:36:44,420 --> 01:36:49,480
We have probably had, I'm going to guess, on both of my teams that served at 120 clients,

1308
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:56,100
we probably had 30 people on each team, so 60 people total, have to believe their house

1309
01:36:56,100 --> 01:37:00,380
whether they were scared or whether they were forced out or whether they were addicted because

1310
01:37:00,380 --> 01:37:05,620
of the perpetrators that came in and go back out in the street, go to get a shepherd, go to a healing

1311
01:37:05,620 --> 01:37:12,100
place, stay in the street, and some of the events you guys are talking about are not on the

1312
01:37:12,100 --> 01:37:14,860
I can't tell you who they are, but I know that they're mine.

1313
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:16,600
I'm going to get more out of the street by now.

1314
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:27,600
I think the last total on-house we had was 80% on each team, 100 clients, 16, probably,

1315
01:37:28,300 --> 01:37:32,360
probably 20, 20, 20 got folks that are on-house, if I'm going.

1316
01:37:33,220 --> 01:37:36,880
And we tend not to have as many people on-house and then are in runs like it's a DMA ever.

1317
01:37:37,340 --> 01:37:40,700
I would say probably 70% of our services are provided in the neighborhood.

1318
01:37:40,700 --> 01:37:45,440
So those are all the availability of housing is a huge problem.

1319
01:37:45,700 --> 01:37:47,320
It's a catastrophic problem.

1320
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:48,660
It's not just a huge catastrophic.

1321
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:53,480
So if there isn't, and you guys are called,

1322
01:37:56,920 --> 01:38:01,320
I've heard it, you know, that's all help.

1323
01:38:02,440 --> 01:38:03,720
There's full.

1324
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:04,160
Oh, right.

1325
01:38:05,180 --> 01:38:07,700
Sherry Hill is going to Sherry Hill.

1326
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:12,780
And take your time to get somebody there.

1327
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:13,340
Yes.

1328
01:38:13,340 --> 01:38:18,020
What other place could you take them if they're having an episode?

1329
01:38:18,780 --> 01:38:22,260
Well, well, it was a great experience.

1330
01:38:22,780 --> 01:38:25,080
That was a great experience.

1331
01:38:25,460 --> 01:38:29,120
I tried calling the other day the ones dead.

1332
01:38:29,140 --> 01:38:30,600
Is there anything in broadway?

1333
01:38:32,020 --> 01:38:39,620
So what happens is our folks, anybody with psychiatric condition that needs to be inpatient needs to be committed

1334
01:38:39,620 --> 01:38:42,120
for a involuntary commitment or if they go involuntarily.

1335
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:45,460
We're going to be emergency room and at that point in the emergency room.

1336
01:38:45,500 --> 01:38:48,980
There's a team of individuals, if it's determined, they need to go inpatient.

1337
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:53,600
They send out to all of the state, they get to know about how you'll open your good checkered light,

1338
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:54,700
in the South Carolina.

1339
01:38:57,480 --> 01:39:02,800
If they are in the ED, and there are risks themselves or others, and

1340
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:07,440
they can't unaveting where in the state, after 72 hours if they're back to their baseline,

1341
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:12,760
which is not well, it's just stable enough to where they're not posing a risk in themselves

1342
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:16,940
or others. Then they'll be released back on the street. There's plans that call us, we go get

1343
01:39:16,940 --> 01:39:20,440
our folks. We don't have anywhere to take them during the day, we'll let them come hang

1344
01:39:20,440 --> 01:39:25,860
our office with that coffee and television, that sort of thing. But at night, there's no

1345
01:39:25,860 --> 01:39:30,640
way for us to be able to take them. So we drop them when we think it's the safest place.

1346
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:36,080
We say that's right back around in the morning. We've even tried to have our individuals

1347
01:39:37,020 --> 01:39:41,960
from, um, family and people to proceed if they're arrested for a family. Um, we have a lot of people

1348
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:47,120
found a cake for a proceed. And they said, well, they'll either sit in jail for a year before they

1349
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:51,820
to carry for capacity bed, or they will just drop the charges because they don't need to be in the jail.

1350
01:39:51,980 --> 01:39:55,660
I've gone back to the safety being in the jail myself to a bad way of all nations.

1351
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:27,720
And they repeatedly say these people don't need to be here. And that's held in my grave. This is access to a criminalization in LAL. We also don't have any work in it. And so I've even gone in to make recommendations. And we've been having such a long time. The client that we have in there is that the charges are dropped in their back will surely. And so we have really close relationship meeting and also. And they will be having folks in this quickly possible.

1352
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:31,780
even local anybody other than charity can't keep people very long.

1353
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,920
And so that that stabilization period is challenging.

1354
01:40:36,540 --> 01:40:38,680
And then when they get out a lot of the times,

1355
01:40:38,900 --> 01:40:41,060
if I don't have anywhere to go, it's still a feeling of place.

1356
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:42,260
It's a bit of a healing place.

1357
01:40:42,860 --> 01:40:45,940
And then we have to go back and try to find it and pick them like that.

1358
01:40:46,220 --> 01:40:49,840
It is really most of from our perspective.

1359
01:40:50,180 --> 01:40:52,820
It's many, many systems that make out the long here.

1360
01:40:53,440 --> 01:40:56,000
And we're just trying to find a place to help them along.

1361
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,300
There's a lot of things that have gone into this.

1362
01:40:58,500 --> 01:41:03,180
I think the Department of Justice said that North Carolina is in with the United States federal government.

1363
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:07,460
It's also contributing because it's taken away some of this intermediate levels of care.

1364
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:09,140
I think it's much greater conversation.

1365
01:41:09,860 --> 01:41:13,680
But I think that we are seeing some increase because of a lot of different ones.

1366
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:16,280
I had to hurt that particular piece of product.

1367
01:41:16,540 --> 01:41:18,380
And so I'm going to make sure that part is heard as well.

1368
01:41:19,780 --> 01:41:24,660
If you can set your finger and solve the problem that they will be the first thing.

1369
01:41:24,660 --> 01:41:25,640
And

1370
01:41:29,220 --> 01:41:37,340
with hesitancy yes, that I would say we need to be a combination of housing and greater access to

1371
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:47,620
Stabilization in care and in residential or supervised studies so that there's the opportunity to help for stabilization for my

1372
01:41:47,620 --> 01:41:52,560
For my folks that's not being it's for everybody, but my job is my folks

1373
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:57,580
and the people that you're dealing with, man, they employ it all, I mean, they're spreading it.

1374
01:41:57,620 --> 01:42:03,180
Every individual is employable. We have, we actually follow a model called the individual placement

1375
01:42:03,180 --> 01:42:07,520
of sports model. It's designed for people with severe and persistent mental illness that is,

1376
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:13,020
it's supported and implemented for the problem, for that particular population. We have a large team

1377
01:42:13,020 --> 01:42:17,580
dedicated to that and then other specialists within. Every one of our folks can work and work

1378
01:42:17,580 --> 01:42:22,540
as a huge part of their recovery. It takes time. Sometimes we start with two hours

1379
01:42:22,540 --> 01:42:26,680
week we have benefits counselors to make sure they don't lose their Medicaid to make sure they

1380
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:32,100
don't lose their there's a security disability benefits but every one of them can work.

1381
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:36,500
It's a matter of finding that good fit for them not even if it's a good fit gone.

1382
01:42:36,660 --> 01:42:41,280
They need stability and it's really hard to find stability in a world where I'm

1383
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:44,360
the psychologist and sometimes it's hard for me to find lots of people.

1384
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:49,180
So you connect it with the sitting thing, yes, partner, anything?

1385
01:42:49,860 --> 01:42:52,780
We are not formally connected in any way.

1386
01:42:53,380 --> 01:42:57,400
We show up everywhere we possibly can to try to advocate for our folks.

1387
01:42:58,220 --> 01:43:02,720
Why have been invited to sitting meetings as an act provider to try to say,

1388
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:05,380
what do we need to do to be able to help increase the access?

1389
01:43:06,100 --> 01:43:09,100
The answer is going to be the same thing that everybody hears through is funding.

1390
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,900
And Medicaid last week just got another 3% cut across the board.

1391
01:43:12,900 --> 01:43:29,700
And so we are trying to have really quality individuals that are educated and that are dedicated to this population work in a world where it's made, we really, we don't accept any property insurance, we are completely making Medicare and I'm sure.

1392
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:39,600
And so, keeping those sides, we're trying people really really well, but keeping them is the challenging part because they need to live a successful life too.

1393
01:43:40,700 --> 01:43:53,160
So, you know, having all of those those have an increasing the ability to be able to cover the cost of what it takes for about the care that we need to do because these folks also deserve to live in the community.

1394
01:43:54,020 --> 01:43:58,680
But they deserve to live in the community and cohesion with everybody else.

1395
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:02,740
Any other questions?

1396
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:04,240
I'd like to ask a question.

1397
01:44:04,300 --> 01:44:07,260
I mean, it's specialized that you need to be talking about housing.

1398
01:44:08,180 --> 01:44:11,760
So, if you talk about housing from a housing perspective,

1399
01:44:13,300 --> 01:44:19,960
And if I can take just the remote out of the house folks I've got right now in our care, we

1400
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:24,440
just our agency alone could probably use 20 to 30.

1401
01:44:24,900 --> 01:44:31,360
If we're talking about long term, the stabilization desk, chairing needs open up.

1402
01:44:31,500 --> 01:44:33,480
They don't have the funding for it.

1403
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:35,520
It's not a chair saying no.

1404
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:39,200
It's a very significant status to it not having enough.

1405
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:44,160
They have events. They don't have a staff. It is the last report that I heard.

1406
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:46,880
So from the stabilization bed,

1407
01:44:48,940 --> 01:44:50,700
if that's probably a question, I don't know if I can

1408
01:44:50,700 --> 01:44:53,660
intelligently answer, but from a housing bed just today.

1409
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:57,720
Now, if then you big fan that's out of my folks that are in unsafe housing bed.

1410
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:11,920
Today that they are elderly or they are physically disabled as well and having to climb up, rotten steps to be able to get to their farm, and I probably need it another 30 to 40.

1411
01:45:13,060 --> 01:45:17,360
Would you have a conversation with two final, about what the county was?

1412
01:45:17,460 --> 01:45:19,680
Was that had a conversation with two final groups?

1413
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:21,640
No, not that I'm aware.

1414
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:23,300
Okay, I'll try to wake you up.

1415
01:45:23,340 --> 01:45:24,500
Thank you very much.

1416
01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:26,060
Any other questions?

1417
01:45:27,340 --> 01:45:28,900
Thank you for hearing me.

1418
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:29,280
Thank you.

1419
01:45:29,900 --> 01:45:30,900
Thank you.

1420
01:45:30,900 --> 01:45:31,600
You're welcome.

1421
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:34,740
The truth is you give us about big dollars.

1422
01:45:39,190 --> 01:45:42,170
Taking in consideration, looking down this way.

1423
01:45:45,100 --> 01:45:47,180
I have the direct number for adjustments services.

1424
01:45:48,860 --> 01:45:50,120
I just want to try it.

1425
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:51,020
I'm trying to get to it.

1426
01:45:51,740 --> 01:45:54,240
Based on what the fellow government is getting.

1427
01:45:54,480 --> 01:45:56,380
And I would be paying for the fellow government.

1428
01:45:56,380 --> 01:46:02,120
What we're paying for, what we're paying for,

1429
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:03,020
that's not the case.

1430
01:46:03,940 --> 01:46:04,820
You're a spectrum.

1431
01:46:05,620 --> 01:46:07,520
So it's a little more responsible.

1432
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:12,540
And then what we're putting in and what the endowment is,

1433
01:46:12,940 --> 01:46:15,300
but just to kind of get an overall snapshot,

1434
01:46:15,540 --> 01:46:16,560
not just about the cities.

1435
01:46:17,340 --> 01:46:21,120
But what's collectively being put into this,

1436
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:22,920
I would like to see.

1437
01:46:23,380 --> 01:46:25,240
Because I think the number is larger.

1438
01:46:26,260 --> 01:46:27,380
And we get to be thrown up.

1439
01:46:27,620 --> 01:46:29,060
We've put a lot of money into it,

1440
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:31,600
but I just like to be the number is,

1441
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:37,660
I think it's larger, and if there's a way even for the private groups like Dr. Dolphins

1442
01:46:37,660 --> 01:46:41,460
with Eden Billet and I've seen many countries carrying many type of fusion.

1443
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:44,760
A lot of that morning was raised by the leaf to be able to do that.

1444
01:46:45,060 --> 01:46:49,960
Just to light the leaf we could get a snapshot of that, because I think the number is larger

1445
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:50,880
than that.

1446
01:46:52,260 --> 01:46:56,820
And, um, there's we all that also have other players in this arena where there was a talking

1447
01:46:56,820 --> 01:46:59,400
I'm not right now, this is not from the worst path.

1448
01:46:59,960 --> 01:47:02,760
But if you can't get an idea of what we're looking at,

1449
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:06,040
I wouldn't have the idea if you can take it.

1450
01:47:06,140 --> 01:47:07,480
It all heart, and that's the same thing.

1451
01:47:07,500 --> 01:47:08,780
You don't have to be right on point.

1452
01:47:08,780 --> 01:47:09,840
It's close to it.

1453
01:47:10,180 --> 01:47:12,860
I think it gives you a better understanding of what we're going to do.

1454
01:47:12,860 --> 01:47:16,880
I want to ask you to put this into this.

1455
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:22,880
Do you have one of the problems that we have with this old thing?

1456
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:26,240
It's so easy to dislike these people.

1457
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:28,420
It's so easy to.

1458
01:47:28,420 --> 01:47:39,450
Because you're seeing them out there, you're just, you know, who you are working and the things that some of them, some of the results of some of the big camps and all that, it's so easy to dislike these people.

1459
01:47:40,980 --> 01:47:42,880
And that's so wrong.

1460
01:47:43,480 --> 01:47:47,300
You know, you have to look, you have to look past that inside your own self.

1461
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:51,260
You're imagine your own self being switching places.

1462
01:47:52,900 --> 01:47:56,340
I mean, that's something I struggle with, but when I hear, you know,

1463
01:47:56,340 --> 01:48:02,260
But if you get down to it, you just feel somebody else won.

1464
01:48:04,110 --> 01:48:04,870
This is who we are.

1465
01:48:05,090 --> 01:48:05,830
He's all good.

1466
01:48:06,150 --> 01:48:06,550
Hey buddy.

1467
01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:07,250
Most of the time.

1468
01:48:07,790 --> 01:48:07,930
Yeah.

1469
01:48:08,530 --> 01:48:09,470
Please do.

1470
01:48:09,530 --> 01:48:11,530
Mr. Mayor members of Council on Council.

1471
01:48:11,770 --> 01:48:12,470
I'm going to take a picture.

1472
01:48:12,790 --> 01:48:13,950
I keep her council governments.

1473
01:48:14,630 --> 01:48:17,210
I just want to, I think, to the state from the next room.

1474
01:48:17,390 --> 01:48:21,310
And I just want to just say one thing that I think is important to help

1475
01:48:21,310 --> 01:48:22,830
frame sort of the question.

1476
01:48:24,570 --> 01:48:26,850
I think the problem of homelessness as large as a problem.

1477
01:48:26,850 --> 01:48:33,950
a game of musical chairs, right, and so there aren't enough chairs, and when people don't

1478
01:48:33,950 --> 01:48:39,170
have a place to sit, they're on the street, and people need a place to be. Everyone has

1479
01:48:39,170 --> 01:48:39,810
to be somewhere.

1480
01:48:42,910 --> 01:48:48,490
So they do the chairs, perhaps, as the shelter capacity. And Rachel, I think

1481
01:48:48,490 --> 01:48:51,970
you sort of glossed over a little bit in your slide, but there's a slide about the shelter

1482
01:48:51,970 --> 01:49:00,030
beds and the shelter capacity. And what was there five or so in the capacity? So shelters

1483
01:49:00,030 --> 01:49:04,390
are an important part of the solution, I think, because people get a place to go. We've

1484
01:49:04,390 --> 01:49:08,910
got day shelters, which put people back on the streets at night. We've got that overnight shelters

1485
01:49:08,910 --> 01:49:12,990
and then maybe folks need a place to be during the day. But shelters are temporary. They're

1486
01:49:12,990 --> 01:49:17,810
always intended to be a temporary solution. So we need shelter. We need a place for people

1487
01:49:17,810 --> 01:49:23,150
go what we really need is a housing in public right because we need people to get out of the

1488
01:49:23,150 --> 01:49:30,710
chair and make room for the next guy because as we've learned from some of these statistics

1489
01:49:30,710 --> 01:49:36,350
that we've seen the first time on those numbers are much higher than the folks were able to

1490
01:49:36,350 --> 01:49:42,750
exit so there's always more and more people than each chair but what we you know and so we

1491
01:49:42,750 --> 01:49:46,710
do need more chairs but what we really need is a place for people to get out of the chair

1492
01:49:46,710 --> 01:49:49,350
And the other thing that is important,

1493
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:52,730
to think about how we're thinking about this issue,

1494
01:49:53,990 --> 01:49:55,950
substance abuse, I'm sure it's the biggest issue.

1495
01:50:01,910 --> 01:50:10,970
We're not talking about people with mental health issues, we're not in the street. The common denominator is these folks have nowhere to be.

1496
01:50:12,290 --> 01:50:30,090
And I think, you know, to the discussion about the ordinance, which I know is how what we're talking about, some of you think about is, if there is no way to be. The shelter has no capacity. If there is no housing, then where? Where do we put these people? And if there's no way to put them, then perhaps we have to be comfortable with the fact that there's no way to put them.

1497
01:50:30,090 --> 01:50:37,720
There is going to be almost on the street, but if not on the public property, then we first

1498
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:42,060
to follow on to private property owners, people must occupy space.

1499
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:46,780
This is a very difficult and foreign problem, there is no question.

1500
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:54,040
But I think we have to recognize that we heard from the prior person who spoke to you,

1501
01:50:54,200 --> 01:50:59,280
another word that he's speaking of, and we have to accept that, and we can't blame the person

1502
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:03,820
that there's not a chair, and I think if we think about the question of these little chairs again,

1503
01:51:04,540 --> 01:51:10,460
you know, there's an affordable housing game that we're playing, and folks who have

1504
01:51:10,460 --> 01:51:17,360
the least income, but the most of the most challenges are always going to be the most supposed

1505
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:21,820
to get to the chair. They're always going to be the most challenged in this housing question.

1506
01:51:22,340 --> 01:51:27,380
I have no answers to you, but I think that some of these points that I'm making are

1507
01:51:27,380 --> 01:51:30,520
maybe help over how to figure out all the problems.

1508
01:51:38,440 --> 01:51:38,880
I'm going

1509
01:51:42,500 --> 01:51:44,100
to

1510
01:51:51,100 --> 01:51:52,620
go through a very, very little bit.

1511
01:52:01,890 --> 01:52:05,190
Back in section I was going to have to do another row column quick.

1512
01:52:05,630 --> 01:52:06,550
I'll make a picture of the year.

1513
01:52:07,110 --> 01:52:07,210
Yes.

1514
01:52:07,210 --> 01:52:07,990
That's where I'm going to back here.

1515
01:52:08,030 --> 01:52:10,010
Yes, that's where I'm going to spares you here.

1516
01:52:10,830 --> 01:52:11,670
That's where the spares.

1517
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:16,530
That's where the spares.

1518
01:52:17,390 --> 01:52:18,550
You'll get your attention.

1519
01:52:18,910 --> 01:52:19,870
Casper, what the hell?

1520
01:52:20,450 --> 01:52:21,570
That's where I do it.

1521
01:52:21,750 --> 01:52:21,930
Here.

1522
01:52:21,930 --> 01:52:22,690
That's where the join is.

1523
01:52:23,370 --> 01:52:24,750
Here, cheers here.

1524
01:52:24,790 --> 01:52:25,910
Here, the counter for.

1525
01:52:28,890 --> 01:52:34,030
Thank you, Ms. Mayer. And then, Ms. Council, as a follow-up to some of the discussion

1526
01:52:34,030 --> 01:52:40,750
at your last meeting, our city attorney, her report, and interim reports to each other,

1527
01:52:40,970 --> 01:52:49,190
so I just joined information and to try to clarify the proposed came important to us, as

1528
01:52:49,190 --> 01:52:51,670
that compares to some of our existing ordinances

1529
01:52:51,670 --> 01:52:55,370
and some of the, for some of the,

1530
01:52:55,370 --> 01:52:57,590
for some of the other challenges with the interpretation

1531
01:52:58,230 --> 01:53:01,670
of the existing ordinances as a applies to real

1532
01:53:01,670 --> 01:53:04,430
and situations, which is what the officers

1533
01:53:05,050 --> 01:53:07,830
who would be asked to enforce whether it's existing ordinances

1534
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:09,330
or any new ordinances,

1535
01:53:09,570 --> 01:53:12,250
what they would have to encounter on the street.

1536
01:53:12,410 --> 01:53:13,650
So turn it over to them.

1537
01:53:14,010 --> 01:53:14,970
So leave this discussion.

1538
01:53:14,970 --> 01:53:24,330
I think you want to, as I said, this is more of just the inspirational session as a

1539
01:53:24,330 --> 01:53:27,850
Paula, the previous couple of pages here, so I'm going to repeat that.

1540
01:53:28,370 --> 01:53:33,310
I think a lot of the questions that Chief and I got last time were about how does this

1541
01:53:33,310 --> 01:53:38,390
differ from what we already have, and so I thought it would be helpful to put together

1542
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:51,340
And I know there's a lot on this part that she got to take it out as well, and I get some of the charts separately to go on after Amy likes to take a course.

1543
01:53:51,520 --> 01:54:00,400
If you look at it, that's an outline previously that I had some observations to it to make sure we were very happy to have those things.

1544
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:02,340
and say, this is the result.

1545
01:54:02,780 --> 01:54:04,460
First, I'm not going through all of things.

1546
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:08,860
But I just showed you a lot of ability to include situations

1547
01:54:08,860 --> 01:54:12,240
and see what would be covered, what would not be covered.

1548
01:54:12,500 --> 01:54:16,220
Currently, to stand under which to see good values and say,

1549
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:18,780
currently, I have literally not been covered.

1550
01:54:19,460 --> 01:54:21,480
So, if you want to take a look at that,

1551
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:22,560
I'm not going to take a look at that.

1552
01:54:22,660 --> 01:54:24,640
Let's be having a question right now.

1553
01:54:24,780 --> 01:54:26,100
I'll be glad to answer that.

1554
01:54:43,100 --> 01:54:48,280
And the next two slides and the things that are available in your handout,

1555
01:54:50,580 --> 01:54:52,680
these pictures are not Wilmington.

1556
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:54,940
I recently did not, they're not Wilmington pictures.

1557
01:54:54,940 --> 01:54:55,240
Thank you.

1558
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:13,500
We're talking about a lot of different questions from several of you about what would this situation look like, what would this situation look like?

1559
01:55:14,180 --> 01:55:17,960
These are mostly for your information that we can go through them really quickly.

1560
01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:24,900
question please let me know let's chief note that enforcement questions about how that would work but

1561
01:55:24,900 --> 01:55:32,160
the first picture would be if there were actual tents for camping all in city sidewalk substrates

1562
01:55:32,160 --> 01:55:39,090
during the day would be the first situation we would look at that would not be allowed under our current

1563
01:55:40,060 --> 01:55:45,640
ordinances and there are multiple ones that could be applied depending on what the situation is

1564
01:55:45,640 --> 01:55:57,640
Obviously, if there's no one there, there's a lady present in this picture, if these tents were unoccupied, then that would be unattended property that could be used for littering.

1565
01:55:58,900 --> 01:56:11,500
But we do have an ordinance for no tents on city streets or property, and we also have obstructing a street or sidewalk. And so those would be the current ordinances that police officers could look at.

1566
01:56:11,500 --> 01:56:18,260
if they wanted to cover this situation now, under the proposed ordinance section B of that ordinance

1567
01:56:18,260 --> 01:56:22,860
talks about unattended personal effects not allowed, but it actually does not address this

1568
01:56:22,860 --> 01:56:27,580
is one thing I wanted to point out. It does not address camping on city property during the

1569
01:56:27,580 --> 01:56:37,460
day. If you'll recall section A, it's for 10 PM to 7 AM. So this would actually not be prevented by

1570
01:56:37,460 --> 01:56:39,720
that particular ordinance during the daytime.

1571
01:56:39,980 --> 01:56:44,020
It would be prevented at nighttime under the current ordinance.

1572
01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:47,720
So I feel like that kind of was a little bit confusing

1573
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:48,660
in the last presentation.

1574
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:50,460
So I wanted to make that clear.

1575
01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:55,720
Now, one big part is if you have to clean up a lot of times

1576
01:56:55,720 --> 01:56:59,400
in can'tments don't just happen on a daily basis.

1577
01:56:59,420 --> 01:57:01,100
They build up over time.

1578
01:57:01,320 --> 01:57:03,540
And so having to remove things overnight

1579
01:57:04,200 --> 01:57:06,740
would the thought would be that it would make it

1580
01:57:06,740 --> 01:57:10,520
so that these things wouldn't develop again every single day.

1581
01:57:11,200 --> 01:57:15,600
So that's how that proposed section of the ordinance within address that.

1582
01:57:15,700 --> 01:57:20,320
You have to take down any tense and get rid of all your possessions, almost every night.

1583
01:57:20,860 --> 01:57:26,520
So encampments like the one that are shown here wouldn't be allowed unless somebody was

1584
01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:30,340
coming in in mass and setting them up every single day.

1585
01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:34,320
Next slide.

1586
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:44,820
It appears to be a parking lot, we've got a park park there right now, camping on city surface parking lots, either during the day or night.

1587
01:57:45,100 --> 01:57:59,800
I say allowed there's nothing in city code right now that would prevent the scene that you're seeing here from somebody being in the median or in an area of the parking lot during the day or night under the proposed ordinance.

1588
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:05,040
this would not be allowed, it would, it would be allowed on most city property during the

1589
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:11,340
day, but not on city surface loss. Section C would prevent that from happening on city surface

1590
01:58:11,340 --> 01:58:19,300
parking lots. But otherwise during the day, it would be allowed on much of their city property.

1591
01:58:19,820 --> 01:58:21,120
Next slide, please.

1592
01:58:23,230 --> 01:58:28,310
The next picture that you've got with cover, camping, sleeping or laying

1593
01:58:28,310 --> 01:58:33,830
in city parking desks during the day or night currently that's not allowed because we do

1594
01:58:33,830 --> 01:58:37,690
have an ordinance although we don't have one that addresses city service lots we've got one that

1595
01:58:37,690 --> 01:58:45,710
does address parking desks such as 6-8 condo in certain in parking desks that would prevent

1596
01:58:45,710 --> 01:58:52,150
can't be sleeping or delaying in the city parking debt because you're which is also a safety issue

1597
01:58:52,150 --> 01:58:59,250
don't don't have to have people in the right way of vehicles that are maneuvering through the parking lot.

1598
01:59:00,470 --> 01:59:15,480
Under the proposed ordinance, it would not be allowed in city parking desks, section C, but can't be again, would be allowed on most other city property during the day, but not if that happens.

1599
01:59:16,660 --> 01:59:23,000
Next slide, if this were a city bench, then monopolizing or sleeping with city benches or

1600
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:28,040
seating areas during the day. Currently that's not allowed without specific ordinance

1601
01:59:28,040 --> 01:59:35,580
for obstructing city seating areas 11 to 13. That is, this situation is not addressed in

1602
01:59:35,580 --> 01:59:43,040
the proposed ordinance. Other than monopolizing or sleeping on city benches at night because

1603
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:44,420
that would be city property.

1604
01:59:45,100 --> 01:59:48,820
So during the day, would not necessarily prevent

1605
01:59:48,820 --> 01:59:50,700
this situation in the proposed ordinance,

1606
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:52,280
but would it not?

1607
01:59:53,080 --> 01:59:56,540
Under the, if you're looking at night time,

1608
01:59:56,720 --> 01:59:56,840
our,

1609
02:00:01,740 --> 02:00:02,740
The next slide.

1610
02:00:05,150 --> 02:00:10,370
The next slide is one that I've had several questions about, this type of activity.

1611
02:00:11,730 --> 02:00:22,450
You see clearly one gentleman possibly two out of the three in the picture are sleeping on city sidewalks or wide of ways or sidewalks during the day.

1612
02:00:22,450 --> 02:00:28,610
currently that would not be allowed because you're obstructing city streets or right,

1613
02:00:28,970 --> 02:00:33,830
simply. However, I will tell you that even among individual police officers that I

1614
02:00:33,830 --> 02:00:39,390
spoke with, and I'm sure that Chief would tell you the same, what defines obstructing is

1615
02:00:39,390 --> 02:00:44,990
always going to be a question. It's always going to be an issue of discretion,

1616
02:00:45,490 --> 02:00:52,050
as far as the officers concerned. Obviously there's a concern. If they have their feet in

1617
02:00:52,050 --> 02:00:56,330
streets sitting on the sidewalk like this, that's a danger to them, that's a danger to

1618
02:00:56,330 --> 02:01:00,670
motorists who might be trying to park where they are. So there's a public safety and

1619
02:01:00,670 --> 02:01:09,050
a welfare aspect to it that the police could could address. But at this point, if you're looking

1620
02:01:09,050 --> 02:01:14,390
at obstructing, in the same sense that you would look at the word hockey power, which I know

1621
02:01:14,390 --> 02:01:33,810
As Andrew says, that's a question about, in the sense of, it meaning to possess or use property to the exclusion of others, then it would apply to anybody sitting or being stationary and preventing other people from using the sidewalk area.

1622
02:01:33,890 --> 02:01:40,370
When you're talking about a street or sidewalk, that's supposed to be for movement, free flowing movement back and forth by the public.

1623
02:01:40,370 --> 02:01:51,730
And so if you are, quote, occupying or obstructing or monopolizing a particular area, then that would be seen as being covered under Section 11-13.

1624
02:01:51,970 --> 02:02:08,330
But again, all of your officers, you've got 200 police officers, and they all may view that how much of an obstruction is enough to characterize being charged with an, with a class three misdemeanor for that.

1625
02:02:08,910 --> 02:02:14,430
This situation is not addressed during the day in the current in the proposed ordinance.

1626
02:02:15,370 --> 02:02:18,350
Sleeping on city sidewalks for a right of ways at night.

1627
02:02:18,990 --> 02:02:24,770
Again, not allowed under section 11, that's 13 under the proposed ordinance.

1628
02:02:24,770 --> 02:02:31,730
It would not be allowed if they're sleeping under section A, which is mostly from any city property overnight.

1629
02:02:32,850 --> 02:02:36,370
So a lot of times there is a difference between day and night.

1630
02:02:36,370 --> 02:02:36,990
Next slide.

1631
02:02:38,070 --> 02:02:45,110
And you'll see this is actually the same slide, specifically as opposed to sleeping this address

1632
02:02:45,110 --> 02:02:50,530
is the obstructing and a little more, just what I mentioned about the fact that if they're

1633
02:02:50,530 --> 02:02:58,050
theater in the street, the police could already address that issue under a general welfare situation

1634
02:02:58,050 --> 02:03:01,590
because that could be a danger to them or other people with the streets.

1635
02:03:02,090 --> 02:03:02,330
Next slide.

1636
02:03:04,860 --> 02:03:11,000
Next slide, supposing, and I use this to illustrate the potential for sleeping or lying

1637
02:03:11,000 --> 02:03:13,620
in entrances to private property or businesses.

1638
02:03:14,100 --> 02:03:20,860
If this was a private business, then the city would currently be able to enforce a general

1639
02:03:20,860 --> 02:03:24,700
statute against that for trespass if the business under was to call us.

1640
02:03:25,200 --> 02:03:31,380
A lot of the, and what I noted on here is that many business owners don't want to press

1641
02:03:31,380 --> 02:03:36,960
charges, though, because then they have to go to court and take time out of their day to say that

1642
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:42,060
that person was allowed to be there. And so, a lot of times, stress pass doesn't get used

1643
02:03:42,060 --> 02:03:46,820
as much as you would think that it could be because the business owners don't want to do

1644
02:03:46,820 --> 02:03:51,920
the follow-up and have to go to court against somebody who probably may or may not even show

1645
02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:57,540
up to court. So, stress pass would seem to be a way to address a lot of issues, but a lot

1646
02:03:57,540 --> 02:04:02,000
times it doesn't work out that way in reality because of that factor.

1647
02:04:02,600 --> 02:04:08,880
The proposed ordinance doesn't address this date or not for private businesses because

1648
02:04:08,880 --> 02:04:11,800
it's only targeted at city property.

1649
02:04:12,660 --> 02:04:13,120
Next slide please.

1650
02:04:14,660 --> 02:04:21,420
This next slide would be, and if you would imagine that this is city buildings as opposed

1651
02:04:21,420 --> 02:04:27,520
to private property during the day, currently we would trespass someone like that if

1652
02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:34,080
They did not move from a city, from a city building, city manager has authority to delegate

1653
02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:41,000
that trespass authority to, and has in the past, to the individual department directors

1654
02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:46,740
who have responsibility over the particular buildings or facilities, and so the city is

1655
02:04:46,740 --> 02:04:50,900
able to address pass people who are blocking entrances to city buildings during the day,

1656
02:04:50,900 --> 02:04:58,420
And we have done that for have had that address in the past, under the proposal.

1657
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:14,680
Opposed, ordinance, this would not be allowed because section 2 talks about specifically entrances to city facilities, being for ingress and egress, only so sleeping and lying at the entrances of city buildings,

1658
02:05:16,960 --> 02:05:20,000
if would not be allowed during the day.

1659
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:26,660
for at night the proposed ordinance would not allow this under the same section

1660
02:05:26,660 --> 02:05:31,780
deed for interest as to city facilities. However, the city itself, because there's no

1661
02:05:31,780 --> 02:05:37,060
disruption of city business for preventing anybody from coming in and out of

1662
02:05:37,060 --> 02:05:40,680
buildings after the buildings that closed, does not have a specific ordinance

1663
02:05:40,680 --> 02:05:44,080
that addresses that at my time currently.

1664
02:05:47,060 --> 02:05:54,580
And some of the things that I have spoken with the chief and with the city manager about

1665
02:05:54,580 --> 02:06:00,040
how the weather, the new ordinance proposed ordinance goes forward or not.

1666
02:06:01,300 --> 02:06:06,140
The thought that the PD and the city attorney's office there are police attorney for myself

1667
02:06:06,140 --> 02:06:12,320
could work together with the PD to provide some additional training for downtown downtown specifically officers

1668
02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:16,520
but for all officers, looking at a roll call, we could,

1669
02:06:16,740 --> 02:06:19,480
the folks that are on the getting hold of task force,

1670
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:23,260
and talk to them about all quality of life ordinances,

1671
02:06:23,600 --> 02:06:25,060
not just this particular one,

1672
02:06:25,140 --> 02:06:28,100
and when I say quality of life, that would also include

1673
02:06:28,100 --> 02:06:31,040
noise, public urination and defecation,

1674
02:06:31,280 --> 02:06:33,640
aggressive handling, public consumption,

1675
02:06:33,940 --> 02:06:37,280
the other things that our downtown business owners are also

1676
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:40,600
complaining of, whether or not the new ordinance is forward

1677
02:06:40,600 --> 02:06:47,240
or not. I think those things are not, our police officers could probably rattle off the top of

1678
02:06:47,240 --> 02:06:54,920
their head. All of these state laws against rate, murder, theft, they wouldn't expect them

1679
02:06:54,920 --> 02:07:03,500
to be able to have the entire book, 300 pages of city ordinances memorized. And so I think it would

1680
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:11,300
helpful, whether or not the new ordinance passes to train our officers, especially the

1681
02:07:11,300 --> 02:07:16,400
one's working in downtown, about what their alternatives are.

1682
02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:20,180
The new ordinance, if it

1683
02:07:20,180 --> 02:07:27,000
did go into effect, you can see from the chart, this on the first page, there's probably

1684
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:32,480
a handful of six to ten ordinances right down that they're looking at and having to go through

1685
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:39,540
ahead, which they probably don't have memorized, this would as a cheap mention previously be another

1686
02:07:39,540 --> 02:07:44,320
tool in toolbox because it would be one ordinance that would be applied to a lot of different

1687
02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:50,360
situations instead of multiple ordinances, and so could help in that way as far as being another tool

1688
02:07:50,360 --> 02:07:58,640
in toolbox. So, but either way, I do think that we've had a lot of turnover as far as grease officers

1689
02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:05,380
and that city code and especially these quality of life issues are not something that we focus

1690
02:08:05,380 --> 02:08:12,400
on a lot with training for those officers and I think that the office could help with that

1691
02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:17,980
and could do a lot better job of assisting with that and cooperating with these departments

1692
02:08:17,980 --> 02:08:19,400
to get that done.

1693
02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:24,200
So I'd be glad to take any questions, but a lot of these are just for your information

1694
02:08:24,200 --> 02:08:29,720
in the preparation for your next meeting and I want to count it because we've got a lot

1695
02:08:29,720 --> 02:08:34,020
of questions at that meeting and so she can now would both be available to talk about

1696
02:08:34,020 --> 02:08:39,920
any important or legal issues that she got or would answer those questions at your next

1697
02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:40,220
meeting.

1698
02:08:40,440 --> 02:08:41,240
How are you feeling?

1699
02:08:41,860 --> 02:08:41,980
Yes.

1700
02:08:42,300 --> 02:08:46,920
I appreciate saying that the pictures weren't from the moment I think that that's important.

1701
02:08:50,300 --> 02:08:54,220
It looks like from your chart that there's just a handful of things.

1702
02:08:54,220 --> 02:09:04,000
sleeping that are not currently in violation of our current ordinances that the new ordinance

1703
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:05,500
would prohibit it.

1704
02:09:05,580 --> 02:09:13,060
And those include sleeping in city parking desks day or night, sleeping in city surface parking

1705
02:09:13,060 --> 02:09:19,360
lots, sleeping in your car on city property or right away overnight, and sleeping or lying

1706
02:09:19,360 --> 02:09:23,680
in entrance to this city buildings overnight, and then the one that you did address in your

1707
02:09:23,680 --> 02:09:31,220
which is occupying city owned or lease property between 10 AM and 7 AM and so.

1708
02:09:32,740 --> 02:09:39,280
And the problem I have with the word, occupying is that it's undefined and made.

1709
02:09:39,600 --> 02:09:43,000
It could apply to, you know, study just sitting, reading, or standing.

1710
02:09:43,660 --> 02:09:47,180
And it risks arbitrary enforcement and plenty of application.

1711
02:09:48,780 --> 02:09:55,780
It has a disproportionate impact on the overall vulnerable groups like the on-house.

1712
02:09:56,880 --> 02:09:58,760
So that's my concern.

1713
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:08,060
We find that we're probably leaving out just because of the day that's stressful and we have a problem with this list.

1714
02:10:08,440 --> 02:10:10,800
It's not. That's 100 of them.

1715
02:10:13,880 --> 02:10:15,220
So, maybe you could address that.

1716
02:10:15,880 --> 02:10:24,700
So, the ordinance that Mr. Waldo has to have put forward is the one that mirrors the county.

1717
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:31,780
And that's the language that's in there. Whatever language council wants to have or not have in there.

1718
02:10:32,500 --> 02:10:38,180
You know, my office doesn't take a position on that, but in general, we do use the word

1719
02:10:38,180 --> 02:10:45,080
occupying throughout our code and other situations in the land development code as far as

1720
02:10:45,080 --> 02:10:50,140
you should probably most as opposed to talking about occupying residences and things like that

1721
02:10:50,140 --> 02:10:50,720
in the LBC.

1722
02:10:51,200 --> 02:10:57,840
But we also have 60 to 70 more instances of using the word occupying throughout the rest of our

1723
02:10:57,840 --> 02:10:58,460
city code.

1724
02:10:58,460 --> 02:11:07,380
And when we use it in those senses, although not applying to human beings, it's not used in this particular sense,

1725
02:11:07,420 --> 02:11:19,080
because we haven't had an ordinance like this before, it is used for, say, if you put install a poll or a fixture,

1726
02:11:19,300 --> 02:11:23,440
or something like that in an alley or a sidewalk or a street or a right of way,

1727
02:11:23,440 --> 02:11:35,100
meaning that what you're putting there or even a temporary fixture is occupying space to the exclusion of other things.

1728
02:11:36,280 --> 02:11:50,840
And so we don't, for instance, allow our downtown shop owners to put out big huge racks of clothing and things like that for

1729
02:11:50,840 --> 02:11:56,700
They have to get a permit and they can only do it for two hours a day, even on the property

1730
02:11:56,700 --> 02:12:04,500
directly in front of their places because, and we define that as occupied because it's

1731
02:12:04,500 --> 02:12:09,040
to the exclusion of other people, because there's space to be public rights of life.

1732
02:12:09,620 --> 02:12:14,560
And so if there's an issue, we use other words at other places.

1733
02:12:16,760 --> 02:12:22,720
We use monopolizing, we use obstructing.

1734
02:12:22,840 --> 02:12:30,120
And so if there's another word of phrase that council would prefer to use, you know, we use other words in our code as well.

1735
02:12:30,460 --> 02:12:37,980
But occupying as far as what we currently use in our code, the definition would be to use or possess to the exclusion of others.

1736
02:12:39,680 --> 02:12:48,600
And so, and as I mentioned, the purpose of a city public right of way or street is to allow free movement.

1737
02:12:49,300 --> 02:12:52,960
And so, if you are taking up a space and not allowing that free movement,

1738
02:12:52,980 --> 02:13:00,300
even if there's room for you to go around, you shouldn't have to on a city right of it.

1739
02:13:00,960 --> 02:13:05,140
You should be able to move and go forward wherever you want to.

1740
02:13:05,140 --> 02:13:08,180
And so that's the theory is that when you're talking about

1741
02:13:08,180 --> 02:13:11,460
obstructing our occupying, is that someone is being

1742
02:13:11,460 --> 02:13:15,420
somewhere to the point that someone else is not allowed to use.

1743
02:13:15,460 --> 02:13:17,300
If that's kind of where we are on our pinches,

1744
02:13:17,460 --> 02:13:24,240
when we talk about occupying city pinches, it means monopolizing

1745
02:13:24,240 --> 02:13:28,000
and putting your stuff somewhere and underneath to the point

1746
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:31,180
that nobody else could use could use that bench

1747
02:13:31,180 --> 02:13:32,960
or that sidewalk for that street.

1748
02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:42,700
So, but whatever term that Council decides to use is certainly fine, but we do use that term in other places throughout our code.

1749
02:13:43,560 --> 02:13:52,780
No, there's not a specific definition of it anywhere else, but that's how it's, that's the definition of how it's used in other places.

1750
02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:08,700
So as far as these new things that are being proposed such as sleeping in cars, in your

1751
02:14:08,700 --> 02:14:16,560
in city lots overnight or sleeping or lying in city building entrance is overnight.

1752
02:14:17,020 --> 02:14:19,700
Do we have a lot of cultural service for things like that?

1753
02:14:23,450 --> 02:14:26,030
Well, it calls for service, but it's city loss.

1754
02:14:26,450 --> 02:14:28,890
It's going to call that it has an observation,

1755
02:14:29,430 --> 02:14:32,490
officer of making an observation of that.

1756
02:14:32,490 --> 02:14:35,010
You're going to plug it in the entryway into a city building.

1757
02:14:35,550 --> 02:14:37,370
Again, it's going to call on that.

1758
02:14:37,930 --> 02:14:41,870
We'll see that and then take action on that.

1759
02:14:42,490 --> 02:14:47,950
So calls we get are usually from business owners,

1760
02:14:48,070 --> 02:14:51,250
who are, if they're sleeping in the entryways,

1761
02:14:51,250 --> 02:14:55,930
wherever we'll see in case they're in a party decks, now it's up to a party deck.

1762
02:15:01,020 --> 02:15:10,940
But, you know, normally we respond to this complaint of the statuist, it used to be the three seats that I was out in the West Coast.

1763
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:16,580
The complaint of the statuist, the commercialized, well, the commercialized doesn't work on this.

1764
02:15:16,860 --> 02:15:19,340
But if this is one of the two seats, we're going to take action.

1765
02:15:19,980 --> 02:15:25,420
Okay? Now, the action would be preferably a together move.

1766
02:15:25,660 --> 02:15:28,640
We don't want to, we don't want to take the course of action on this ghost.

1767
02:15:28,640 --> 02:15:29,800
You don't.

1768
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:35,560
And I want to get out of your own room to leave and move somewhere else if they refuse

1769
02:15:35,560 --> 02:15:41,080
to, which most won't, you know, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll voluntarily go.

1770
02:15:42,040 --> 02:15:46,960
You know, we'll, we'll, we'll trespass them, so maybe that it's public property or it's,

1771
02:15:46,960 --> 02:15:54,500
if it's a private entity and the owner wants to trespass them.

1772
02:15:54,500 --> 02:15:57,900
And eventually, we may be able to take it

1773
02:15:57,900 --> 02:16:00,020
to do the same thing over and over and over again.

1774
02:16:01,380 --> 02:16:03,200
We don't want to arrest it.

1775
02:16:03,720 --> 02:16:05,640
That's the absolute last statement we wanted to do.

1776
02:16:06,500 --> 02:16:09,800
And so the answer to your question,

1777
02:16:10,160 --> 02:16:12,300
a lot of that is, it's going to speak to us,

1778
02:16:12,580 --> 02:16:16,140
we see it, or complain about it, which is not called service.

1779
02:16:16,660 --> 02:16:18,980
That's usually how we respond to all of these.

1780
02:16:19,160 --> 02:16:23,320
So most of the surface lines are payloads, is that correct?

1781
02:16:27,940 --> 02:16:33,260
So somebody would have to pay well to be able to sleep in their car.

1782
02:16:33,400 --> 02:16:36,660
I think they could come camp over here in your parking lot right here.

1783
02:16:37,520 --> 02:16:40,680
We wouldn't have authority with that.

1784
02:16:42,780 --> 02:16:44,240
Luckily, they haven't come here.

1785
02:16:44,660 --> 02:16:44,800
I can't.

1786
02:16:45,580 --> 02:16:49,200
If they do, it opens up that.

1787
02:16:49,540 --> 02:16:51,400
And it opens up.

1788
02:16:51,480 --> 02:16:52,040
Yeah.

1789
02:16:53,480 --> 02:16:53,680
Yeah.

1790
02:16:53,960 --> 02:16:54,320
Yeah.

1791
02:16:54,320 --> 02:16:57,240
Yeah, so again, it's quite up to the speakers.

1792
02:16:57,880 --> 02:16:58,660
Thank you.

1793
02:17:01,860 --> 02:17:03,360
She must have the cost of service.

1794
02:17:03,560 --> 02:17:05,260
I mean, do we know about what we

1795
02:17:11,020 --> 02:17:11,280
get?

1796
02:17:11,540 --> 02:17:15,300
Yeah, I gave the day, and I'm trying to know what it was.

1797
02:17:15,540 --> 02:17:17,340
That is a 17-hunt.

1798
02:17:18,280 --> 02:17:19,760
Uh, yeah, I think again.

1799
02:17:40,920 --> 02:17:43,600
That will be part of the big advantage is out.

1800
02:17:43,740 --> 02:17:44,860
We came back and put that on.

1801
02:17:45,080 --> 02:17:45,140
Okay.

1802
02:17:45,180 --> 02:17:46,780
I'm resting a little bit.

1803
02:17:47,120 --> 02:17:47,280
The best.

1804
02:17:47,680 --> 02:17:48,560
We'll have to get somebody.

1805
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:49,880
We'll do it right now.

1806
02:17:50,140 --> 02:17:51,020
But that takes a few days.

1807
02:17:51,020 --> 02:17:53,140
You still feel, be the side of that, I'm resting.

1808
02:17:56,160 --> 02:18:02,740
It's not so much of a problem with taking up both sides of the bench with their bodies anymore so much of the things.

1809
02:18:03,580 --> 02:18:03,780
Yes.

1810
02:18:09,100 --> 02:18:12,080
I can get to that number and I can afford to you two folks.

1811
02:18:12,720 --> 02:18:16,540
You know, they're downtown portion of that, but we have to see why it sounds true.

1812
02:18:16,980 --> 02:18:21,320
Okay, it's not just downtown the hospital corridor and only because it's off the floor.

1813
02:18:21,320 --> 02:18:27,820
Now, you know, if this is over, it's not just especially if just planning consistently.

1814
02:18:29,540 --> 02:18:34,360
So, but I'll get you that number and I'll break it down based on a downtown, and then I'll sit

1815
02:18:34,360 --> 02:18:34,880
at why.

1816
02:18:35,220 --> 02:18:37,460
But it was called service on it.

1817
02:18:37,560 --> 02:18:39,500
I had an idea, I had an idea.

1818
02:18:39,700 --> 02:18:40,660
I had an idea.

1819
02:18:40,660 --> 02:18:42,860
I had an idea.

1820
02:18:46,380 --> 02:18:47,080
I had an idea.

1821
02:18:47,080 --> 02:18:47,100
I had an idea.

1822
02:18:47,100 --> 02:18:47,820
I had an idea.

1823
02:18:47,820 --> 02:18:47,920
I had an idea.

1824
02:18:48,580 --> 02:18:49,080
I had an idea.

1825
02:18:57,150 --> 02:18:58,330
I had an idea.

1826
02:18:58,330 --> 02:19:02,370
It was called to give them a warning that, right, you know, the

1827
02:19:06,600 --> 02:19:08,400
breeze there is that there,

1828
02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:13,200
which the private property of the Earth is the courage at once of the time.

1829
02:19:13,300 --> 02:19:18,560
On that, on the kind of ordinances, when the ordinances were cleaned out, especially

1830
02:19:18,560 --> 02:19:20,420
some of these ended up with the property,

1831
02:19:27,880 --> 02:19:28,820
they don't clean it up.

1832
02:19:29,140 --> 02:19:29,780
They don't clean it up.

1833
02:19:29,780 --> 02:19:31,360
They get a notice of how much it belongs.

1834
02:19:31,360 --> 02:19:36,800
It's pretty much the only exception to that would be if their individuals that are charged

1835
02:19:36,800 --> 02:19:41,380
with either litter and court dumping and they do end up going through the court system

1836
02:19:41,380 --> 02:19:47,780
in the cost for that could be tacked on to whatever profession or personants that they give

1837
02:19:47,780 --> 02:19:48,960
that they're self-appled.

1838
02:19:49,440 --> 02:19:54,760
That's usually more of the case in my commercial dumping situation, not just a regular

1839
02:20:02,290 --> 02:20:12,430
And if on DOT property now, I understand that they've put out a Lordness that you can't come to DOT property on, on some of the problems.

1840
02:20:14,280 --> 02:20:19,500
Because I saw something they're all from market, from part of the right away, with so much of the part of the transportation.

1841
02:20:20,260 --> 02:20:25,600
And then can't lose them out there on the outside of that side, with captains, they've replaced, right?

1842
02:20:26,180 --> 02:20:31,800
You've given them to the private sector, so it has to stay thinking in a determination on that.

1843
02:20:31,800 --> 02:20:32,260
Yes.

1844
02:20:34,080 --> 02:20:38,960
That's, I guess, what transpired it were, and move her off to Dr. Kornford, and it was

1845
02:20:38,960 --> 02:20:40,000
a big camp of there.

1846
02:20:40,380 --> 02:20:42,760
And DOT asked us to move this group.

1847
02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:50,800
If you remember the overpass on Market Street, that college was a huge camp of there that

1848
02:20:50,800 --> 02:20:51,800
a few years ago.

1849
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:57,800
It was about getting a team to breathe, to address that, and we had to clean that out.

1850
02:20:57,860 --> 02:20:59,060
It was huge.

1851
02:20:59,820 --> 02:21:06,320
It's a pretty nice sort of community because we have market street and it does it's a people with some camps.

1852
02:21:07,820 --> 02:21:13,400
And then the one of our horses and all the sub-todes here down to the level of our first drive.

1853
02:21:13,780 --> 02:21:16,280
That part of that park is about the city.

1854
02:21:16,560 --> 02:21:17,620
I think those are great significance.

1855
02:21:17,860 --> 02:21:21,060
You can't be able with an interest as to do something about that.

1856
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:24,660
I guess they kind of migrate or from North.

1857
02:21:24,660 --> 02:21:25,360
I don't know.

1858
02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:26,240
Let me know.

1859
02:21:26,440 --> 02:21:26,760
Katie over.

1860
02:21:27,160 --> 02:21:28,120
It seems to that.

1861
02:21:28,380 --> 02:21:28,820
It seems to be a site.

1862
02:21:29,760 --> 02:21:30,080
Yes.

1863
02:21:30,100 --> 02:21:32,820
Where are there any woodland, left, and the community?

1864
02:21:33,140 --> 02:21:33,820
There's not a lot.

1865
02:21:34,040 --> 02:21:36,960
I mean, it's thinning out pretty dramatically.

1866
02:21:38,040 --> 02:21:41,040
It's kind of more likely folks that are migrating to.

1867
02:21:45,150 --> 02:21:49,970
And you're saying, you're in the difference between the ordinances that we probably have.

1868
02:21:50,190 --> 02:21:52,350
The ordinances that we're proposing is five or six.

1869
02:21:52,970 --> 02:21:53,590
And they're different.

1870
02:21:54,050 --> 02:21:56,600
Yes, sir.

1871
02:21:57,100 --> 02:21:59,560
I guess you would then find that you have to stay for one.

1872
02:21:59,560 --> 02:22:10,420
Yes, sir, and there are similarly some things that are covered in our ordinance, that in our ordinance is now that aren't covered in the other ordinance, say that I'll say covered six, the other way.

1873
02:22:11,960 --> 02:22:22,040
Then I had a call. I have several emails about this, about the criminalization of this, and I guess concerns about abuse or law enforcement.

1874
02:22:22,040 --> 02:22:23,900
And I'm going to ask the question.

1875
02:22:24,240 --> 02:22:25,620
I remember this many years,

1876
02:22:27,930 --> 02:22:28,850
what you do all.

1877
02:22:28,850 --> 02:22:31,130
In certain terms of cars, there's a lot of people

1878
02:22:31,130 --> 02:22:35,030
who talk to us about being stopped for no reason at all.

1879
02:22:35,350 --> 02:22:38,190
And seeing that once the camera's going to be cars,

1880
02:22:39,050 --> 02:22:41,970
that are very little of that, because it's all camera now.

1881
02:22:42,430 --> 02:22:44,630
The cameras are still in the cars, yes.

1882
02:22:45,050 --> 02:22:50,070
And police officers are wearing audio and visual on them.

1883
02:22:50,210 --> 02:22:52,050
So when they interact with an individual,

1884
02:22:52,890 --> 02:22:59,450
So we have a recording of what's happening for those that have a concern about some criminalization

1885
02:22:59,450 --> 02:23:01,850
taking place in the offices of using someone.

1886
02:23:02,430 --> 02:23:02,530
Yes.

1887
02:23:02,570 --> 02:23:08,970
And we actually have to pass some capacity to remotely with the campers.

1888
02:23:10,510 --> 02:23:13,350
Not just later, but we can see it actually real time.

1889
02:23:13,670 --> 02:23:15,890
And there's also audios in the call.

1890
02:23:16,510 --> 02:23:17,730
Yeah, this is totally transparent.

1891
02:23:17,730 --> 02:23:25,390
There are, you know, we talked about the enforcement piece of this, you know, the person

1892
02:23:25,390 --> 02:23:26,010
services.

1893
02:23:28,150 --> 02:23:35,330
I strongly recommend you read the Wall Street Journal article yesterday on San Francisco,

1894
02:23:36,850 --> 02:23:43,830
one of the most liberal cities in the country, after it to increase homeless

1895
02:23:43,830 --> 02:23:51,750
campus throughout the city and they're one of the few success stories in this country right

1896
02:23:51,750 --> 02:23:58,410
now that are actually having positive impact and their point of time numbers have decreased

1897
02:23:59,110 --> 02:24:08,510
as a combination of predictive, aggressive, social, service, interaction and immediately up front

1898
02:24:08,510 --> 02:24:14,130
with a combination of enforcement and if you have an opportunity to read that article, I think you

1899
02:24:14,130 --> 02:24:21,390
can see that there is a potential to have some impact on this stuff and I think San Francisco

1900
02:24:21,390 --> 02:24:25,850
Venus is, you know, that's the goal that you can get out

1901
02:24:28,700 --> 02:24:29,320
of that area.

1902
02:24:29,780 --> 02:24:37,810
The fact that they have taken a little different tact, I think there's the possibility to have

1903
02:24:37,810 --> 02:24:39,350
I know that you're still not

1904
02:24:42,320 --> 02:24:43,280
improving the level of energy.

1905
02:24:43,700 --> 02:24:47,260
But it's also really two weeks from the higher,

1906
02:24:47,460 --> 02:24:48,580
she says, it's a success out of it.

1907
02:24:48,880 --> 02:24:50,100
I'm looking at how the success, the success of it,

1908
02:24:53,880 --> 02:24:54,680
it's a success of it.

1909
02:24:55,820 --> 02:24:57,500
It's a success of all of these those success,

1910
02:24:57,760 --> 02:24:59,020
it's only been created a little more.

1911
02:25:01,060 --> 02:25:08,200
All the organizations of all of them, they can move to all the districts, all the districts, all the districts, all of them, all the districts, all the districts and all the districts.

1912
02:25:08,440 --> 02:25:20,460
That's what I'll be doing. I'm also going to apologize. I will just want to submit this to the folks around the world that are preparing an additional enforcement mechanism.

1913
02:25:20,460 --> 02:25:28,100
Well, we continue to work with the service providers that we have, and as said here, there's one of the other solutions.

1914
02:25:38,380 --> 02:25:44,260
The women, women, women, women, we need a project tax to leave all of the street.

1915
02:25:44,660 --> 02:25:45,420
What will we be processing?

1916
02:25:46,560 --> 02:25:47,760
Women, do you say that?

1917
02:25:48,060 --> 02:25:50,400
I don't want to say that they are offices in the state room.

1918
02:25:51,420 --> 02:25:52,540
They don't have to be processing.

1919
02:25:53,100 --> 02:25:57,400
Well, in every situation that they're doing, there's no one process.

1920
02:25:59,060 --> 02:26:01,040
It's someone called the plague,

1921
02:26:03,650 --> 02:26:04,830
because it's like,

1922
02:27:14,940 --> 02:27:15,840
because it's all,

1923
02:29:19,510 --> 02:29:23,450
but you can't really speak it enough, because we should really get rid of it, because it's

1924
02:29:33,280 --> 02:29:34,160
hard to do.

1925
02:29:52,190 --> 02:29:54,250
Wait a second, Matt, I got a little something.

1926
02:30:00,140 --> 02:30:10,020
But chicken banks will say, the mechanism that we need already is just an enforcement issue. So we don't need

1927
02:30:10,020 --> 02:30:20,070
to reinvent the wheel. We don't need to put people in the past situations based on how it looks,

1928
02:30:20,290 --> 02:30:28,110
or how it proceed, and again, I said that earlier. We just need help. So America's proposed

1929
02:30:28,110 --> 02:30:37,010
of training, law enforcement about the new potential ordinance. Why not just put the ordinances

1930
02:30:37,010 --> 02:30:45,370
that we have in place together and then go on law enforcement about what needs to be done

1931
02:30:45,370 --> 02:30:47,690
or what can be done and go forward?

1932
02:30:50,680 --> 02:30:58,720
I think it's pretty simple. Everything's in place. We want

1933
02:30:59,440 --> 02:31:04,720
That's, you know, getting them off the street because what we're, we're not addressing it.

1934
02:31:05,920 --> 02:31:12,760
That was a push from the river wall years ago to get them off the river wall.

1935
02:31:13,200 --> 02:31:20,700
They went to the library and then from the library they went to M.O.K. incurred.

1936
02:31:20,700 --> 02:31:29,020
from MLK and Kurdie, just going into every instance of the community, and you don't have

1937
02:31:29,020 --> 02:31:29,940
a lot of pushback.

1938
02:31:30,180 --> 02:31:36,960
You don't have a lot of opera about those hopes of being in that segment of this community,

1939
02:31:37,460 --> 02:31:45,000
but that if you can't ride down principally dry, market street, I mean, I was at the

1940
02:31:45,000 --> 02:31:55,920
And I saw the guy come around with a building, he came from the side of the building, to the

1941
02:31:55,920 --> 02:32:03,920
market street side of the building and relieved himself on the market street, something that we

1942
02:32:03,920 --> 02:32:04,780
hear a lot about.

1943
02:32:05,160 --> 02:32:05,620
But it's true.

1944
02:32:05,760 --> 02:32:06,440
So long.

1945
02:32:09,950 --> 02:32:16,090
So there's an important mechanism in education fees that need to be put together, but this

1946
02:32:16,090 --> 02:32:18,490
the audience is unnecessary.

1947
02:32:23,230 --> 02:32:25,210
I'm pretty much disagree with you.

1948
02:32:25,350 --> 02:32:26,450
Did you have a lecture?

1949
02:32:27,770 --> 02:32:29,190
Yeah, I know you guys have a lecture.

1950
02:32:30,630 --> 02:32:31,950
You didn't have to be in this work.

1951
02:32:35,830 --> 02:32:39,070
You mentioned that you have a...

1952
02:32:39,070 --> 02:32:41,670
I think it says I'm not even working with social workers or...

1953
02:32:42,230 --> 02:32:42,830
We don't have...

1954
02:32:43,390 --> 02:32:43,870
We don't have...

1955
02:32:45,150 --> 02:32:47,510
I'm not a police and social workers.

1956
02:32:48,050 --> 02:32:49,430
I want them to be together.

1957
02:32:49,850 --> 02:32:50,010
I do.

1958
02:32:51,830 --> 02:32:55,710
They will be there.

1959
02:32:55,970 --> 02:32:56,610
We want them.

1960
02:32:57,110 --> 02:32:58,010
They'll be there.

1961
02:32:58,230 --> 02:33:00,110
They'll come with us.

1962
02:33:00,250 --> 02:33:02,150
I mean, they've never said, you know.

1963
02:33:02,430 --> 02:33:03,430
Okay, so I can't say it.

1964
02:33:03,650 --> 02:33:07,550
But they've got their deal to do it.

1965
02:33:07,770 --> 02:33:10,790
And you know, we will work together closely.

1966
02:33:12,630 --> 02:33:17,810
If we've got a situation that requires some intervention,

1967
02:33:17,810 --> 02:33:19,810
and then they'll be there.

1968
02:33:19,870 --> 02:33:22,710
They'll come with us and be going to walk or can't.

1969
02:33:22,870 --> 02:33:26,130
Yeah, we're going to look at the cabinet that we wanted to work.

1970
02:33:26,430 --> 02:33:27,690
They'll come out there with us.

1971
02:33:28,330 --> 02:33:29,910
Say they're walking a beat with us?

1972
02:33:32,210 --> 02:33:32,370
No.

1973
02:33:32,510 --> 02:33:35,070
Is it that happened to your knowledge?

1974
02:33:35,490 --> 02:33:36,270
Any wind coming?

1975
02:33:37,470 --> 02:33:38,030
Oh, yeah.

1976
02:33:38,410 --> 02:33:38,630
Yeah, sure.

1977
02:33:38,790 --> 02:33:41,570
I have a lot of agency that employed social workers

1978
02:33:42,730 --> 02:33:44,550
and should ride with the officers

1979
02:33:44,550 --> 02:33:48,550
and go out and make contact.

1980
02:33:48,550 --> 02:33:54,810
Yeah, that's not on you, but usually the budget issue

1981
02:33:59,930 --> 02:34:04,650
here is something I could look like for us in three out of ten

1982
02:34:11,660 --> 02:34:12,040
years.

1983
02:34:12,340 --> 02:34:17,760
Yes, we had one that's about to go out and share knowledge and social work against it.

1984
02:34:17,960 --> 02:34:24,140
And we had, maybe you weren't here, but the mayor was, we had a program to

1985
02:34:27,500 --> 02:34:31,320
visit that was really successful.

1986
02:34:31,320 --> 02:34:34,960
We reached out to inmates, and since the

1987
02:34:40,820 --> 02:34:45,280
prison, there it is going back into our city, right?

1988
02:34:45,720 --> 02:34:48,660
And then they would have a high recid this way.

1989
02:34:49,140 --> 02:34:56,620
We went together, counselor, and social worker, and we reached out to these folks in prison, as they're getting ready to get out.

1990
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:08,040
They wanted to work with us, we helped find them. They used to live with jobs for them. I mean, we had a great

1991
02:35:08,040 --> 02:35:16,980
success rate. I recently went from about 75% now, maybe 25% or something. It was a pretty successful program.

1992
02:35:17,580 --> 02:35:27,420
But like anything else, you can just kind of fell apart. We had some staffing issues and kind of went away. But unfortunately,

1993
02:35:42,410 --> 02:35:42,890
So

1994
02:35:45,220 --> 02:35:50,000
we partnered with business community, business community and we're willing to hire

1995
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:52,520
these guys.

1996
02:35:52,860 --> 02:35:55,400
And that was the hook.

1997
02:35:55,840 --> 02:35:57,620
I mean, you don't have, you don't have a job.

1998
02:35:58,260 --> 02:36:02,040
And what you're going to do is it's not going to properly not go to work real well.

1999
02:36:02,420 --> 02:36:05,120
So we've got to commit this from the business community.

2000
02:36:05,600 --> 02:36:07,860
And we've got these guys hooked up for a job.

2001
02:36:08,900 --> 02:36:10,460
And some of them were real successful.

2002
02:36:14,820 --> 02:36:17,800
I guess I want to ask the audience the same question I had earlier.

2003
02:36:17,800 --> 02:36:28,840
And then what I'm missing and what is it that I beat you in your chest that you want to say that when you need here, you're going to go,

2004
02:36:29,180 --> 02:36:30,980
God, I always couldn't but ask that question.

2005
02:36:36,290 --> 02:36:38,090
Yes, sir, I wasn't going to say anything.

2006
02:36:38,850 --> 02:36:39,970
But I have to go, I'm sorry.

2007
02:36:40,350 --> 02:36:41,890
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to set up

2008
02:36:47,910 --> 02:36:49,210
a time and go, there's an answer.

2009
02:36:49,490 --> 02:36:50,990
If you can't forget about this.

2010
02:36:53,140 --> 02:36:58,080
Where could a homeless person who's living on the streets legally occupied?

2011
02:36:58,880 --> 02:37:05,500
If there's no shelter about it, and how could they not be in violation of the city code?

2012
02:37:07,340 --> 02:37:23,000
And whether under the current mixture of ordinances, or some consolidated version of the current ordinances, or the slightly modified improved, or version that's being proposed,

2013
02:37:24,840 --> 02:37:30,200
Not on private property, presumably, not on the DOT right away, most of it.

2014
02:37:30,300 --> 02:37:34,060
I mean, I think that ultimately it comes back to the question of the musical chairs.

2015
02:37:35,180 --> 02:37:41,000
And somebody is violating city code, because there's not a chair, you know,

2016
02:37:42,440 --> 02:37:46,280
city attorney at the last meeting, talked a lot about what the definition of occupied is.

2017
02:37:46,280 --> 02:37:55,940
people take space where legally can somebody be if not on a city property or a public property.

2018
02:37:58,580 --> 02:38:05,680
This is a very difficult question to answer and I think in Houston where they had success

2019
02:38:05,680 --> 02:38:12,640
with an ordinance very similar to this, they first offered shelter and if you did not accept

2020
02:38:12,640 --> 02:38:21,700
the offer of shelter, then there were criminal misdemeanor but have you, for refusing shelter.

2021
02:38:23,200 --> 02:38:26,720
But if there is no legal place to go,

2022
02:38:29,840 --> 02:38:30,740
what do we expect?

2023
02:38:35,680 --> 02:38:41,940
That's, you know, and so, you know, whether the current ordinances or the proposed ordinances,

2024
02:38:42,340 --> 02:38:45,660
you know, how's the chief supposed to enforce even the current ordinances?

2025
02:38:45,660 --> 02:38:50,660
If all he's really doing is making someone go to a different public space,

2026
02:38:51,960 --> 02:38:55,880
violating the same ordinance, just not the same square footage.

2027
02:38:58,460 --> 02:39:01,120
So are you solving that issue of question now?

2028
02:39:01,760 --> 02:39:02,800
Where are you going to get the money?

2029
02:39:03,620 --> 02:39:08,280
Again, I have no answers, but I just want to make certain that the community understands this.

2030
02:39:10,780 --> 02:39:13,760
We get 40% of the tax revenue.

2031
02:39:13,760 --> 02:39:20,980
county gets 60. We get 20% of the sales tax revenue, county gets 80. And I'm not

2032
02:39:20,980 --> 02:39:26,080
blaming this on the county. But our financial structure based on what the state

2033
02:39:26,080 --> 02:39:30,480
allows us to understand the status status, state law, business, less money. And

2034
02:39:30,480 --> 02:39:34,600
yet, we don't have human services, nor the Department of Health under

2035
02:39:34,600 --> 02:39:39,480
our jurisdictions. I want to be pushed into it. So I want to be very clear about

2036
02:39:39,480 --> 02:39:43,180
this. And we are the only entity in the only government that has supported

2037
02:39:44,060 --> 02:39:49,620
housing with supported services, and the links that I reserve and it's fairly, and I know

2038
02:39:49,620 --> 02:39:54,980
how much time it took to do that. So unless you're going to change the financial model and

2039
02:39:54,980 --> 02:39:57,880
give cities and by the way, you could give us more.

2040
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:28,660
The sales tax revenue based on what this county is allowed to do, based on either per, on adorant tax, or per capita, and you know this, we'd get 50% of the sales tax revenue, which if we're willing as a community, this family, money, we would, but you're putting all of it, for all of it, I'm not saying you're putting all of it, because I'm not saying that to anybody else, but all of it seems to have now nested in the corporate citizens, whether we like it or not.

2041
02:40:28,660 --> 02:40:36,300
And I would challenge anybody to say, we're going to put a facility in an unincorporary

2042
02:40:36,300 --> 02:40:43,500
of the county, and I would love to see what kind of blood back they get from those senses.

2043
02:40:44,280 --> 02:40:49,280
It's a very complex situation, and I'm not everybody's passionate about this, we're trying

2044
02:40:49,280 --> 02:40:54,480
to find something that works for everybody, and I hear what you're saying, but a lot

2045
02:40:54,480 --> 02:40:59,340
comes down to funding. And a lot of people will say it's not our problem, it's a city's

2046
02:40:59,340 --> 02:41:04,660
problem. You deal with it. But at some point time it will overflow from here and it's

2047
02:41:04,660 --> 02:41:10,880
going to go into a place where you may be residing and you may not like it. But it's always

2048
02:41:10,880 --> 02:41:17,440
outing within the corporate ceiling based on the map that you showed us, Richard. And it's

2049
02:41:17,440 --> 02:41:23,460
not, it's overwhelmed our capacity to handle it. And for us to be able to put up any additional

2050
02:41:23,460 --> 02:41:29,120
money for additional housing for shelter and does take time. And should all the shelters be in

2051
02:41:29,120 --> 02:41:34,220
the same? I'm just gonna ask that question point black to everybody. Is that money

2052
02:41:34,220 --> 02:41:40,380
also fair? No. And Kevin said it best. The last meeting is parts of our community that are

2053
02:41:40,380 --> 02:41:45,160
receiving the run of it. And is it fair to those parts of the community that are having to

2054
02:41:45,160 --> 02:41:50,540
seek the run of it? Other people said it was not a problem, it's not a my background here.

2055
02:41:51,480 --> 02:42:02,420
And the very people that were well, some of the people that were playing the loudest, if you had to pick a geographic location and do not have a accounting work to put the healing place, it would be in a medical community.

2056
02:42:03,180 --> 02:42:07,140
And we call them tons of blood back from everybody.

2057
02:42:08,360 --> 02:42:10,160
And we're seeing in the world.

2058
02:42:10,160 --> 02:42:15,660
That's what we did and you have to, that has to be part of the equation too, who we're dealing with.

2059
02:42:15,920 --> 02:42:18,500
Nobody wants it. Everybody wants to solve the problem.

2060
02:42:18,740 --> 02:42:21,180
It's like everybody wants to go to heaven, everybody wants to die.

2061
02:42:31,060 --> 02:42:31,700
You ain't got a

2062
02:42:35,290 --> 02:42:35,530
word.

2063
02:42:35,790 --> 02:42:36,990
You close those knees.

2064
02:42:38,670 --> 02:42:39,550
Anybody else?

2065
02:42:39,870 --> 02:42:40,150
Yes.

2066
02:42:42,720 --> 02:42:43,880
Come on, Mr. Harris.

2067
02:42:43,980 --> 02:42:45,080
Okay, I gotta stand up.

2068
02:42:45,440 --> 02:42:45,700
Yeah, okay.

2069
02:42:46,080 --> 02:42:47,200
One point out of it,

2070
02:42:48,380 --> 02:42:54,620
It's a good point, but the reality is that the camping order comes like a spade limit.

2071
02:42:55,060 --> 02:42:57,120
It's really not going to be enforced on everybody.

2072
02:42:57,540 --> 02:43:03,240
If WPD were tagging people going to have a 35 and a 35 sign, I mean, the cars, people

2073
02:43:03,240 --> 02:43:04,320
lined up, stopped.

2074
02:43:05,760 --> 02:43:13,420
It's really a tool for WPD to use when there is a serious problem these to be addressed.

2075
02:43:14,340 --> 02:43:20,480
So, I mean, the thing about envisioning that they're going to run off every single person

2076
02:43:20,480 --> 02:43:23,900
who's sleeping on the house and public property,

2077
02:43:25,940 --> 02:43:28,020
they don't have the manpower to do it,

2078
02:43:28,200 --> 02:43:31,680
but are there some people that they need to be relocated?

2079
02:43:32,360 --> 02:43:33,060
That

2080
02:43:41,670 --> 02:43:46,230
can matter is that June 2020 for the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that

2081
02:43:46,230 --> 02:43:53,990
municipality's can enforce public camping ordinances regardless of how much shelter space is in place.

2082
02:43:54,670 --> 02:44:00,090
And since that time, hundreds of cities, including some of the ones that we've talked about today,

2083
02:44:00,310 --> 02:44:01,690
have rushed to do just that.

2084
02:44:01,770 --> 02:44:02,970
So this is not again.

2085
02:44:02,970 --> 02:44:11,690
Again, we actually, as I've said, it's like some do I get another tool, but it's a loss that I think will be effective as we work towards a bar

2086
02:44:20,550 --> 02:44:20,810
or something.

2087
02:44:21,070 --> 02:44:21,350
You know what?

2088
02:44:21,850 --> 02:44:23,290
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.