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30 p.m. and I call this meeting to order. Please stand and we'll recite the flight of allegiance.

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Good evening everyone. This is a regularly scheduled meeting of the Winona City Council. I don't have anything specific tonight, so I'll kick it over to the City Manager, Chattuval.

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I'm Aaron Council, nothing else this evening.

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Very good. I will now ask City Clerk to take the roll call.

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Mayor Sherman.

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Council Member Young.

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Hi, Mark.

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Here.

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Christianson.

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Here.

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Here.

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Here.

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For each public hearing staff will make a short presentation, and then I will ask if anyone from the public wishes to speak to the matter.

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Please state your name and address clearly.

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You'll be given up to three minutes to make your testimony.

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I will call three times for public comments.

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Once the hearing is closed, the public may not participate in the discussion by city council.

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Under required public hearings, item 2.1 is an annexation request for 1628 Valley View Drive.

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No, call CityPunner Luke Sims to prevent this present the staff conference.

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Good evening.

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Thank you, Mayor and Council.

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Before you today is an item for an annexation at 1628 Valley View Drive.

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This is a single family property located directly adjacent to city property.

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This property also came before you for annexation via a joint orderly annexation, pursuits back in May of this year.

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Without hearing an affirmative response from Wilson Township, the city is pursuing annexation by ordinance.

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The property is described on page 9 of your agenda today.

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The applicants, Greta and Anthony vote, came forward due to a failing septic system.

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They have the subjects that they currently have, lacks tank integrity, and is also experiencing

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soil separation, hot failing to protect groundwater in the area, they are required to address

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the deficiencies, either through replacement, upgrading, or discontinued use within ten

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months.

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They have made that in what they made that observation in April of this year.

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Before you today is an opportunity to bring 1628 Valley View Drive into the city of one

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of the annexation and connect this property to city utilities thereby going around and addressing

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the integrity issues and the soil separation issues at this property with that I'm

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available for any questions.

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Well, hold the questions until after the public hearing, if you don't want to cancel, thank

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All right.

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I will now open the public hearing.

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I know the petitioner, they're not in attendance tonight, so I'll open the public hearing

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regarding the proposed annexation, we'll now open the public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak

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has invited it come for please state your name and address for the record before making

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I'll now ask again, does anybody from the public wish to speak during the required public hearing

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for item 2.1 annexation request at 1628 in the Valley View Drive.

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I'll ask again, does anybody

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wish to speak during the required public hearing for item 2.1?

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Last one more time, does anybody

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from the public which to speak during the required public hearing for item 2.1 annexation request

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at 1628 value view drive.

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Is there anyone else who wishes to bribe comments regarding the

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information on the proposed annexation of the theme? Seeing none, I will close the public hearing.

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It's very important that the council is under your seat ordinance.

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Second, motion from Steve, second from Jerome, discussion amongst council requirements,

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Mr. Stiff.

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Mr. Sims.

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So in reviewing this, this looks like this is, like, you'd

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imagine this is Jason property, so we're not doing anything other

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than just extending what's next door.

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Was there a reason that Wilson Township gave for not

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agreeing to the annexation?

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Wilson Township did not provide any form of resolution related

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to that, however, the informal response I received was that they were not interested in pursuing

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annexation via a single property or early annexation request and would rather prefer the city

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go through its annexation ordinance procedures.

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Okay, so there wasn't a particular reason this is this is their preferred path for us to choose,

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which we have done numerous times before.

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We have done that similar joint or early annexation followed by annexation by ordinance procedure in the past.

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Okay, so this fits the profile.

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Council Member Hima.

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Drone, did you have something?

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There's already stubbeds for sewer and water there.

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It's quite literally directly in front of the property.

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It's all I know.

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Any other questions for Luke?

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Thanks.

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Appreciate it.

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here you know all those in favor say aye. Opposed motion passes. Item 2.2 is a

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municipal consent public hearing for Highway 43 Project. I would like to

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call on J.I. Col see from Minda to come forward and present the Highway 43

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Project, please.

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Is the green light on your mic?

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Good evening Mr. Mayor.

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members of the council, city staff, thanks for entertaining our motion, or excuse me,

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our request tonight for municipal consent for upcoming project on Haley 43,

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I have a brief

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PowerPoint presentation.

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Motion to go over the project and the process here.

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Abigail, weekman from Alain Engineering is also here today to present the layout that has been submitted for consideration.

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So, I guess the first question that I'd like to address is, why are we here? What is the hearing purpose for tonight? This is basically spelled out in Minnesota statutes 161.162 through 161.167.

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Municipal consent is required for the local municipality when Minda is proposing a project within that municipality that beats one of three thresholds, one if we're altering access, so for instance, closing a driveway, et cetera, number two if we increase or reduce the highway capacity, that would be like adding another through lane on a highway.

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or number three if we're requiring the acquisition of a permanent rights away as part of the project.

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So in our case, this particular project here actually meets the thresholds for criteria number one and number three.

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And so that's as triggered the municipal consent process.

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So, as part of that process, mid-DOT transmits what we call the staff approved geometric layout.

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That shows the geometric features of the project.

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We also transmit a good faith cost estimate to the city,

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outlining any anticipated cost-share items and cost responsibilities that the city would be responsible for as part of that project.

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and other associated reports which typically would be an environmental document or some other design memo.

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Once that package is transmitted to the city, the city has 15 days within receipt of that package to schedule a public hearing.

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So I did transmit that package to Brian on June 30th.

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The city then schedules and holds public hearing with three days notice must hold the public hearing within 60 days or receiving that final layout.

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So that's tonight's meeting.

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The city council then considers the layout in addition to any testimony provided by concerned citizens.

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the city then has 90 days to either approve or disapprove that layout.

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I should say within 90 days of the hearing.

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If the layout is disapprove,

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Minda has basically one of three options.

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One, if you disapprove, disapprove, but you have a number of conditions

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that if MINDOT can meet, then the staff could be approved upon receiving written notice from MINDOT that we agreed to those conditions and we furnish you with a revised layout.

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At that point the consent process has concluded and MINDOT can proceed with the project.

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And the second option here is that we can file an appeal to have an independent body review

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that decision and render a final decision on the layout.

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Or number three, we can withdraw the project and not complete the project.

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I should say there's also one other slight nuance here.

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we could also take a look at the layout.

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Again, looking at those triggers or those thresholds

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for needing municipal consent, if we modify the project

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such that we don't trigger those thresholds,

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then need for municipal consent is basically rendered

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to move point and conduct can move forward with the project.

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So let me talk a little bit more about the project

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and the specifics here.

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The purpose for this project is to improve pavement quality.

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Also, the sidewalk and pedestrian ramps,

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we want to bring those into compliance.

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Update any intersection traffic control is warranted

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and then improve mobility and safety for all modes of traffic.

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So with that, that's kind of a high level of the process

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and why we're doing a project on Highway 43.

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I'm going to turn it over to Abby Noom, who's going to kind of walk us through the specifics

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of the project.

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The beginning and end points of the project, the project length, and what we're proposing to do here.

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Hello.

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And Abby recommend the line-intentionary design engineer for the job.

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My visuals are not great, so I'll try to give you guys a good verbal description of the project.

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So it's on Trunk Highway 43, which snakes through town and has several vocal road names for it for Street Main Street, Sarnia.

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So it's kind of a complicated layout.

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It starts kind of kind of latch island.

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We have an orphan section of pavement, a 43 that just needs to be milled and overlaid.

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So we take off a couple inches of the surface with the milling and then we overlay it with new pavement.

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gives you that good surface quality ride quality there, so that's on latch island, that's really all that's happening in that location.

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And then we move into town, so once you're across the big river bridge,

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we'll continue that no-one overlay process of 43.

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And just really just that happening at the intersection of La Nona and Forest Street.

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And then we go down Forest Street and we're all the project as it snakes its way on the 4th

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And to me, I'm sorry, that no one really is happening as well as kind of piecemeal sidewalk improvements.

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So areas where panels have cracks or discontinuities that wouldn't need ADA standards or replacing that sidewalk,

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smoothing it out, will replace some driveways if they have issues or aren't compliant, mostly to fix cross-slope,

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through the par, the festering excess felt that goes through a driveway, so replacing the

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driveways you've got a nice flat slope. We're including a lot of bump-outs at most intersections,

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so shortening that crossing for pedestrians across 43. And the side road,

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specifically at 4th

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and main, there's an existing signal which is going to be removed and replaced with an all-way stop.

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I was based on an earlier traffic study and continuing down main, we get to fifth street. That existing signal system is also going to be removed and replaced with side street stops.

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So fifth street would stop and 43 would continue unimpeded and then we are proposing a RFB. So rapid rectangular flashing beacon.

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There's one at eight street by the college, so it's a way for pedestrians to push that button, it actually lets people know that

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Preds are there, lets them cross safely, so we're proposing one of those crossing Main Street at 5th.

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And then Broadway has an existing signal, and that is proposed to be replaced with a new signal system, the existing one is met at serviceway.

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And it will be upgraded to have APS technology, so accessible pedestrian and signal, it will

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have push buttons, that chirp for people, pull the accessible.

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So that'll all be updated.

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We've got spot replacements of storm sewer, fixing catch basins.

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Minor areas where it would go across the road, but the most part just spot fixing.

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sarnia, it's a lot of the same bump-outs and pedestrian ramps are being fixed and upgraded.

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We will be adding sidewalk along the Lake Park, from about Franklin, over to the roundabout of Manketel.

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It'll tie in that existing sidewalk.

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So we're going to propose an eight-foot walk along the south side of sarnia street there.

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which provides a buffer to traffic and then a five foot use for a side block.

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But it will all be paid great in the back of the car.

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Our typical section for the moles part will maintain parking on both sides.

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We're proposing 11 foot wide through lanes and then a five foot bike lane on both sides of the road.

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So with our side block replacements in certain areas, we do have potential for tree impacts.

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It's a mostly along Lake Park.

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There's some tree litter very close to where that side block would go in.

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So we're going to assess that and make sure that if we're damaging roots, that we take

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care of them.

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We will be doing a lot of root cutting to make sure that we don't damage roots and we keep

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the trees as healthy as possible if we're going to mark them through being saved.

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But that is a potential that will be assessing as we move into final design.

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Did it?

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Abigail?

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Did you have images you wanted to show?

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Because if you had layout, screens, the council has a printout in her.

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And, you know, I have what was provided to Brian.

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Our IT is trying to bring them up.

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Do you want us to bring those up?

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Unless there's questions you want to have them queued up?

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Yeah, if there are some potential questions after discussion here, it might be good to refer to.

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I know it's a little hard to go off of just a verbal description, pictures or a thousand words sometimes, right?

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We're working on trying to get them.

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So I'll get through the rest of my presentation very much longer.

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And then so Brad, if you could just go back to the presentation and then keep working on getting those files up that'd be great to appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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So the graphic is our layout.

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That's what we're asking the council to consider and ultimately vote on proving or disapproving.

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A couple of other things here to note, so right away for the project, so there are some

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temporary easements that are needed for a good length of the project.

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Those temporary easements are needed in many areas to facilitate the sidewalk replacement

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and dry away reconstruction.

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So there'll be a number of parcels impacted.

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Linearly we estimate up to five feet. Beyond the back of the sidewalk we'll be

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needed to help construct the sidewalk replacements and sort of blend these

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slopes back into folks as yards. We do have a few areas of permanent acquisition

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and permanent easements that are needed, albeit most of them are fairly small.

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Most significant ones will be along the south side of Sarnia Street from Franklin to just

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Drive Hamilton Street area. This is for the new sidewalk that's being

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constructed. Much of it is within Mindot right away, but there's some that

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I'll cite them in down right away.

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There's some other things there, we're going

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to have some regulatory impacts, known as 6F impacts,

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and we have to do some landscaping.

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There are three other areas where there are some small

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slivers needed to install updated ped ramps at

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three separate quadrants,

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various intersections

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within Highway Corps or the Trook Highway Corps Guard.

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So that's what's required for right away.

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In terms of schedule, so we're looking at letting this project

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in January of 2020, a currently.

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We anticipate construction would begin in May of 2020,

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we're intentionally trying to schedule the work on Main Street

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in the vicinity of Winona State University for the month

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when the regular school session is out.

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We expect it to be substantially complete

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and August of 2028, again, weather permitting.

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And the end of construction, after we do some final client clean up

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and punchless items, we would anticipate later that fall in 2028.

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of traffic control for the project,

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the final track control plan is still under development.

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We have looked at things at a fairly high level conceptually, broken into three main

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stages with a stage zero pre-stage.

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That stage zero would involve short-term clothing.

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So there may be some short detours required for those. Stage 1, we would have Highway 43 traffic, all of that shifted to one side. While the other half is closed for sidewalk, curb and gutter war, etc., there likely need to be some on street parking restrictions during that time frame. Stage 2, we would flip-flop things around and do the other half, Highway 43, curb and gutter war.

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You've got our sidewalk, et cetera.

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Final stage would be with the surfacing the mill and overlay through the entire length

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of the project, which we anticipate being able to do that under traffic with flagging operations.

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In terms of cost, there are a number of costure items detailed here.

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The bulk of the cost have to do with the city's cost share for a signal replacement,

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but

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The total is approximately $298,900,

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and that's a total project cost, about $6.3 million

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of which Mendoza is responsible for about $6 million worth.

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So that's all we had for our formal presentation here tonight, so we'll allow councils who

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forward with either questions or answers or more testimony from the public.

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I'm going to go to public hearing first that we have all the information presented before

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we get into questions with.

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I'll now open the public hearing regarding municipal consent for the Highway 43 project anyone

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who should speak is invited to come forward please state your name and address for the record

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before making your comments you will have three minutes to address the council.

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Council members may ask questions of speakers for the purpose of clearing fine facts.

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Does anybody from the public wish to speak during the required public hearing?

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Come on up, Michael.

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Honourable Mayor Sherman, members.

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My name is Michael Wojak, I am the executive director of the Bicycle Alliance of Minnesota.

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I live in Winona's largest suburb, Rochester.

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And I came over here today to talk about what I think is a safety issue and my understanding

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is that you will not actually be voting on municipal consent tonight.

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We are going to submit a formal letter that's going to go into great detail about some of

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the concerns that we have.

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And ultimately we view this as a public safety issue and we think that our safer designs

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that are available out there.

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I spent 12 years on the Rochester City Council.

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That's called very long years, so I appreciate the service that you're doing.

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I know what it's like to do on, have to make these decisions, and I actually got involved.

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I came across the scene of a crash on June 16th, 2006, just over 20 years ago, where a young girl named

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Ariana McNamara was killed at an incredibly unsafe intersection.

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She and her family were doing everything right and ultimately, because of the design of the roadway,

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a driver did not stop and she lost her life and that's what hangs with me to this day.

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When I see things that are clearly safety issues, I feel is my personal responsibility and

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my professional duty to say that there are in fact better options that are out there.

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Now I want to tell you that there's a lot of things in this project that is really good

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and really improvements and engineers will probably tell you that this is safer than what's

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their design today, and that is unquestionably true. But there are certain things that we must

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expect for our communities and the people of our communities for safety. One of those

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items has to do with mixing of vulnerable road users with certain speeds and densities of traffic.

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It's not just me that's up here saying this, but rather best practices from the MINDOT's

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physical design guide, their own manual, the federal highway administration,

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on NACTO, which is promote safe designs within cities,

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ashto, all of these groups have looked at how you build safe infrastructure.

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And there are certain things that they just say never, ever happen

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if we truly want our communities to be safe.

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Now, when we look at projects, we get asked to comment on projects a lot.

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There are projects that we love, there are projects that we think are adequate,

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there are projects that we think are poor,

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Where we really want to put our foot down is when we see something that is clearly unsafe.

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And this design, as it stands today, we view it as not meeting the most basic safety standards.

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And very specifically, any time you have speeds that over 30 miles per hour, you need to have physical separation between the vulnerable road users and the vehicles, particularly if you have truck traffic.

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11 foot lanes are plenty wide. That's what you have on high 94 between Minneapolis and St. Paul and the good news

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I'd leave you with is we're here to help the city. We're here to partner with men not we think there are solutions that can be done within this project

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for budget that's just around the year. We want to help you address the safety issues in this so we can all be supportive of what comes out. Thank you very good. Thank you

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Does anybody else from the public who should speak during the report public hearing?

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Good evening, mayor and council. My name is Bernadette Murphy, and I live at 7-5-0-Westfitt

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Street.

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I have number four on the presentation mentioned that this project is to improve mobility

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and safety for all modes of traffic. I hear updated pedrams, but no updated bicycle infrastructure.

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I'm an avid cyclist. I ride nearly every single day, including winter.

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I'm against this project design because it is unsafe and does not follow current guidelines,

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not even men. own bicycle infrastructure guidelines.

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Minneapolis used to have painted bike lanes on busy streets

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and my husband used these lanes. He was struck by a vehicle

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when he was legally in a painted lane on a bicycle.

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Minneapolis has learned that painted lanes on roads with high traffic volume

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and parked cars are unsafe.

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They no longer create lanes like this.

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In heavy traffic corridor as the lanes are separated.

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Bike infrastructure needs to be safe and useful

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While the route on Sarnia made it useful, it is not safe.

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Fishing a painted line on the road is not protection,

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putting bike lanes in the door zone, leads to injuries or works.

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Operating speeds of over 35 miles an hour, and a daily traffic volume of over 7,000 vehicles,

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dictates the bike lanes should be separated.

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There are various designs to accomplish this.

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For the record, I'm very pro bike infrastructure, but it needs to be safe

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and it should connect things people need.

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Safe corridors for kids to travel to school and the water park in the state

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state shop, safe connections for college kids to attend class and go to

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coffee shops. If these lanes cannot be properly and safely designed, just don't

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do them. Painting bike lanes that might make the numbers look good, but it does

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not make biking in them safe. Not painting dangerous bike lanes at all.

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Thanks. If we build infrastructure for bicycles, we should build it right.

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Plains that allow cyclists to save the traverse for anona have the potential to reduce vehicles on the roads.

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Fear motor vehicles leads to less wear and tear.

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Putting the time and effort in now to build this correctly will positively impact future bug budgets.

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But in this current form, I request that please do not give municipal consent to the current project.

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We can make it better. Thank you.

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Does anybody else from the public which is speaking during the record public hearing for item 2.2?

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Good evening, Council.

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I'll show my R322 high for us.

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You all know me.

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You're going to take my glass off.

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Oh, now we know you.

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Yeah.

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I can't say it any better really than Michael and Vernon have.

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But I first, I want to address the diversion of traffic.

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You know, really, I believe highway 43 should actually go to Pelser, down river view,

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Hofstreet, forestry, and left turns.

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I drove a truck in the past.

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That's a logical common sense place to have traffic go,

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And, at least during this construction, that's where I would send the truck traffic out to Pellzer River View, Huff and Forest.

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Truck drivers will really like it, left turns and double lanes for right turns.

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So, consider that.

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Second, you guys know I'm a cyclist.

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I'm also a pedestrian.

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And I really think that these improvements are main,

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and sorry you are going to make it safer for pedestrians.

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But it will not for cyclists.

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The door zone for the cyclist, I know there are some of you on, on council here, is the

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kilzone.

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And so that's, and probably many of us here have been dored by self included and having a bike

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pathway in the door zone on a street like Sarnia or Main Street really is not a good idea.

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So I really encourage the council in Mindot and our city engineer who does a great job

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of making recommendations to please don't put that paint down.

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cyclists will think it's safe, but it's not.

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As a constrained lane, it's not protected.

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It will hurt cyclists.

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Do not put those bike-like lanes on Sarnia and May.

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Thanks, Paul.

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Does anybody else from the public

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which should speak during their card public hearing today?

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Good evening.

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I'm Diane Lutek, Ed Munson.

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I live at 516 Dakota Street.

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And I just wanted to add my voice to the chorus and say,

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I agree.

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I ride all over this town.

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I also walk all over this town.

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and I'd like for it to be safer.

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Let's make sure that it actually is.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Does anybody else from the public

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wish to speak during the part of public hearing?

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My name is Michelle Flomer of the A650,

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Logan Sunset Drive, and as a cyclist,

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as a coach of Millsville and high school athletes

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from the mountain by team,

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as well as a mother of a cyclist.

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I've seen written in Rochester.

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I've written in cities, on street lanes, and I will honestly tell you that I will tell parents and children

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if this lane is built the way it's designed, it is not safe.

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I often work with a young children when they're bike and I work with a lot of middle school riders.

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They easily get distracted, right?

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And because they're going to have fun.

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It's easy for a driver to easily get distracted.

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A phone call even though they may not pick it up.

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They keep this track, they look, check this way, and they're going over the cycling lane.

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The lane for cyclists is fine, if you lie, it will give the state says you have to allow

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three feet between a more vehicle and a cyclist. That basically gives us cyclists one to

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two feet space to put that three feet at space in between. So as someone who loves cycling,

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loves this children in our area. Please move that lane at least on other side of the

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park vehicles. So that is, it has a barrier between the moving vehicles. Thank you.

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Thank you. Does anybody else from the public wish to speak during your card

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public here?

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Well, last one last time, does anybody from the public wish to speak during

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your card public hearing for item 2.2 municipal consent public hearing for TH43

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project. Come on up, pit. You always wait till my last

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amount. Well, I want to make sure I don't cut anybody else off.

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I hear you, bro. Ted, he is a 10, 10, 73, West

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District in Winona. And I would ask the counselor to deny them

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municipal consent as well. There's several issues with this

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The biggest issue is narrowing the lanes on Sarnier Street for semi-traffic.

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As some of you may know, I'm a former truck driver with 6.8 million miles under my belt,

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accident-free.

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A semi-h is 102 inches wide, and 18 inches wide on either side for mirrors.

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That's 11 feet.

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If you have 11 foot lanes, rather than 12 to 13 foot lanes that currently exist, and you

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get two semis and park cars, and somebody on a bicycle on the bike lane, they're going

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to collide with their mirrors to an arrow.

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So I would ask that either they keep the lanes that the existing 12.5 or 13 feet, you're

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and narrow them. Also another problem. We need this traffic light at 5th and Main. If you have

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a traffic signal at Broadway in a four-way stop at Fort Street, with the way the cars

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queue from a four-way stop, and you're wanting to go east or west on 5th without that light,

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you ain't getting across. You're going to sit there and sit there and take unnecessary

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chances, so especially during a peak traffic hours. So please keep the light at

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5th and Broadway. Perks years may 5th and Maine. One other observation that

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that brings up, where main is four lane. Keep the four lanes, put over it, signing in, have

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43 traffic in the left lane, so they can negotiate the left turns to go across the bridge.

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For those wanting to go into downtown or to make right turns on fifth or fourth, a simple overhead signage would cover that.

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And then lastly, I don't think we need a bump out at every single intersection. Maybe every other or every third, but not every single one.

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So, I would ask that council deny municipal consent and send this back to the drawing board and make some revisions.

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Thank you.

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Thanks, Ted.

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Does anybody else from the public wish to speak to me during the record public hearing?

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Come on up.

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Okay, Glenn.

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Tell someone to invite what's fifth street.

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Really quick.

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I'll just follow what that said and completely agree with everything that he said.

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That's it.

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Thank you.

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I totally miss that.

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I am sorry, but thank you for coming.

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Okay, thank you.

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Very good.

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Appreciate it.

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All right, anybody else from the public?

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I'm going to keep the public hearing open,

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so that if you would like to present your slides,

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then they are in the public hearing.

459
00:38:51,020 --> 00:38:51,640
We might need them.

460
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,920
I think council is probably going to dig into them.

461
00:39:01,260 --> 00:39:03,200
I also want to make a comment to the gallery.

462
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,660
Commentary like, give it an audio, is very impactful,

463
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,600
just to get up and give your name and say

464
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,800
that you agree with the previous commenter is helpful commentary for us. We don't necessarily

465
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,780
see who you're not in your head swim.

466
00:39:20,380 --> 00:39:23,060
So Brad will bring up the image for you.

467
00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:26,470
And I think

468
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:32,310
if you want him to move left or right, you may have to ask him that you do have a zoom on your

469
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:32,870
remote,

470
00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:40,810
which is the very top button. Okay, so public hearing is still open, so I'm going to allow

471
00:39:40,810 --> 00:39:46,590
her to do her presentation with the slides and then I'll close the public hearing and then we'll

472
00:39:46,590 --> 00:39:47,630
into the discussion.

473
00:40:27,050 --> 00:40:31,930
Okay. Brad, I think this is okay. We made us need, you know, she

474
00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:35,110
made direct. You left right Zoom.

475
00:40:38,980 --> 00:40:40,360
Can you zoom in a bit?

476
00:40:43,580 --> 00:40:45,280
Move it to the right.

477
00:40:49,830 --> 00:40:50,230
The other

478
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:57,570
sorry. You're the right. You're the right. Alright, so here's the layout. We'll kind

479
00:40:57,570 --> 00:41:02,030
of start with the Winona Intersection. It's a very bottom of the screen and then going

480
00:41:03,470 --> 00:41:08,030
Brad, can you zoom in just a little bit more? If I'm struggling, I have a feeling that some

481
00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:12,430
of my other counselors are struggling too. Thank you, Brad.

482
00:41:13,690 --> 00:41:19,650
Great, so here's Winona Street, and four. So that light blue color is the no-one

483
00:41:19,650 --> 00:41:25,370
overlay shapes that's going to be all of the pavement. Anywhere you see the pink color that

484
00:41:25,370 --> 00:41:32,170
side blocker placement, the dark blues or driveways, and then the yellow is going to be

485
00:41:32,170 --> 00:41:39,030
new fold at the pavement and the red would be carbon gutter so you can see that first intersection

486
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:46,410
I think that's Johnson it's well-meaning can you clarify the sidewalk detail proposed for

487
00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:54,930
sarnia street you'd said eight feet yes yep a long wake park that eight feet five of it will be

488
00:41:54,930 --> 00:42:00,770
sidewalk the remaining three feet will be it will all be paved with concrete so it will all

489
00:42:00,770 --> 00:42:14,390
like a sidewalk, but we put in like a three-foot buffer from the back of curb, just for horizontal offset to parked cars, so it'll be raised curbing gutter, and then eight feet of pay of the paid sidewalk.

490
00:42:14,770 --> 00:42:16,550
Yep, okay, thank you.

491
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:37,250
If you keep moving up, you can see, I think, all that might be Johnson there, but we've got bump-outs, and then in the middle that giant yellow is an area where we've got storm sewer repair happening, keep going, can you go up to Maine?

492
00:42:37,250 --> 00:42:45,230
So there's main and poor existing signal coming to four-way stop, we are removing that raised

493
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:50,950
median that's currently on main street between fourth and fifth, replacing with a left

494
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:51,890
turn lane.

495
00:42:52,970 --> 00:43:00,770
You can see the bump-outs at the corners, you can just slowly move, as you go there,

496
00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:04,880
as

497
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:12,920
zoomed it enough for people. So then Broadway, new signal there, no bumpouts at Broadway,

498
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:22,760
turning movements, excuse me. Why no bumpouts at Broadway? To help with turning movements for vehicles

499
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,960
and the additional way in there. Thank you so. Yep.

500
00:43:29,210 --> 00:43:30,870
So kind of as we keep going through this area,

501
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:36,950
we've got more pockets aside walk, repair happening, and then the bumpouts at the corners.

502
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,120
safer in to remove that parking as you get hosting intersections.

503
00:43:44,860 --> 00:43:45,260
I think I'm

504
00:43:45,260 --> 00:43:49,380
going to miss it, but eight street does have an existing RFB flasher that will be

505
00:43:49,380 --> 00:43:54,340
salvaged and reinstalled. The bus stop will be replaced in front of the college.

506
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:56,750
Keep

507
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:57,270
going.

508
00:44:01,950 --> 00:44:08,010
You might be so forward-weight main. We're proposing to remove an existing

509
00:44:08,010 --> 00:44:13,950
driveway. It does not currently go beyond the sidewalk, so we don't want people

510
00:44:13,950 --> 00:44:19,070
parking a car over the sidewalk, so that one's being proposed for the move-off, and the move-off.

511
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:27,090
So, excuse me, as you're going down main, is this going to be parking on both sides and then the painted bike lane?

512
00:44:28,890 --> 00:44:33,330
Yeah, parking both sides, painted bike lanes on both sides, and 11 foot through lanes.

513
00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:37,350
Our next driver's move-off is here at the college.

514
00:44:37,830 --> 00:44:39,950
We've been coordinating with them.

515
00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:47,890
really they kind of moved their entrance on the side road, but they're seemed like they're on board closing that access point on 43

516
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:57,010
In green here, this probably something looks like they're access point to that parking lot. Yep, in green we've got

517
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:10,800
Accordinated with mendedot and with dot, yep, to improve rail crossings throughout full states, and I think you will know as well. So this will happen before our project.

518
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:20,220
That rail road crossing is in really poor conditions, so that will be replaced, pavement, mediums or places, well, and then we will tie into that with our project.

519
00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:27,830
Keep going. Now we're along Sarnia. Now you're going to need to zoom out and find the

520
00:45:27,830 --> 00:45:32,650
other inset lower below and go to the far left I think.

521
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,500
See you back into that lower

522
00:45:39,500 --> 00:45:40,840
direct angle on the bottom

523
00:45:43,780 --> 00:45:44,960
all the way.

524
00:45:49,770 --> 00:45:52,850
Alright, so here we're on Sarnia. A lot of

525
00:45:52,850 --> 00:45:59,510
the same bump outs where we can, drivelier replacements to improve our side

526
00:46:00,450 --> 00:46:02,330
keep moving much

527
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,860
to highlight in this area. Same typical section parking

528
00:46:11,860 --> 00:46:15,160
on both sides, high foot bike lane, 11 foot lanes.

529
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,460
We get to Franklin, I've been

530
00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:25,240
there it is. So Franklin has an existing signal. We are doing minor upgrades to

531
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:32,770
only. We're going to move up all in the northeast corner, just to get it out of

532
00:46:32,770 --> 00:46:37,530
the path of trucks. It seems to be very close and the curb gets run over there

533
00:46:37,530 --> 00:46:41,710
We're going to do a little bit of improvements for truck turning at that corner,

534
00:46:43,820 --> 00:46:47,580
and adding a dedicated left turn lane, the Franklin Street.

535
00:46:47,940 --> 00:46:52,040
Otherwise, there's the sidewalk on the park, on the south side. It's being added.

536
00:46:57,300 --> 00:47:05,620
Here, you can see the bump outs with the yellow, you guys reasonably installed in our Fee crossing here at the bus stop.

537
00:47:05,620 --> 00:47:12,880
We are going to salvage and re-install that and then add bump-outs for it, so that would be new.

538
00:47:14,770 --> 00:47:20,410
Basically, just the same section to where we tie into Mendoza previous project for the roundabout and then Keto.

539
00:47:24,780 --> 00:47:26,760
Another bump-outs for the trail crossing at the park.

540
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,760
With the app, are y'all done with the slides on everything?

541
00:47:41,660 --> 00:47:44,180
Great. I will close the public hearing.

542
00:47:44,180 --> 00:47:47,820
Mr. Mayor, maybe the council received a father report.

543
00:47:48,340 --> 00:47:51,740
Second, motion from Steve, second from George.

544
00:47:52,820 --> 00:47:54,300
Who wants to talk about this?

545
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,020
I'm very interested to see the by-colance of Minnesota's formal letter

546
00:48:00,020 --> 00:48:02,240
and their proposed changes to this.

547
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:04,460
I think this is a great opportunity for the city

548
00:48:04,460 --> 00:48:08,660
of one owner received some significantly improved by infrastructure

549
00:48:09,580 --> 00:48:12,140
that I don't need to tell very many of you how better

550
00:48:12,140 --> 00:48:19,300
current by infrastructure is. This seems like it's an amazing opportunity where we could

551
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:25,700
make some common sense changes and we could make our roads safer for an entire user group.

552
00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:33,720
I don't need to remind anyone that we did have a cyclist fatality last summer on Broadway.

553
00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:43,200
Thanks, Sam. Jeff. And that's he. So is the purpose of this to ask them questions in regards to

554
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:51,600
as it is, okay? So I went to the November meeting that you guys held here with all the drawings

555
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:56,880
and I spoke to several of your representatives, perhaps it was even you may not. I brought up a couple

556
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:04,180
of things and there's another additional. So, in putting in the sidewalk on the south side of Sarnia,

557
00:49:05,020 --> 00:49:11,260
for me going and looking at it, there are substantial number of trees that are going to have to be removed.

558
00:49:11,260 --> 00:49:15,840
Do you have an idea as to how many?

559
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,300
We're still assessing that currently.

560
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:24,700
We'll say this, we're trying to save as many as we can.

561
00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:28,620
We don't wish to remove trees that don't need to be removed.

562
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:32,080
They're probably about a handful that are questionable.

563
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:40,020
The root zone in relation to that sidewalk is a bit tight.

564
00:49:40,020 --> 00:49:47,980
And I would say we're still assessing the actual number of trees, but I think current

565
00:49:47,980 --> 00:49:55,660
count along the south side of Sarnia, I want to say we're probably about five or six trees,

566
00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:58,260
but again that's still being assessed.

567
00:49:59,140 --> 00:50:02,860
Okay, that's the stance because of the comments that I heard and that's what I passed on

568
00:50:02,860 --> 00:50:03,120
to you.

569
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:03,280
Yeah.

570
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,540
And at that point in time from the Statue in Sarnia, we see that there was a lot of interest

571
00:50:07,540 --> 00:50:11,980
and not losing those trees, and actually the city is invested in the money and planning

572
00:50:11,980 --> 00:50:17,340
the trees and caring for them. So it's a loss all the way around, both aesthetically

573
00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:17,960
and financially.

574
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:25,400
I think the concern, obviously, that has been stated in regards to the

575
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,780
bike lane, is a very serious one. I think it's something that we know about in Winona.

576
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:36,620
For example, if you look at Hubstreet, for example, that goes along the other side of the

577
00:50:36,620 --> 00:50:42,040
University, you'll note that the city has eliminated parking on that street and those are just

578
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:49,060
bike lanes now, specifically to get rid of this problem of cars, stripes, and too much traffic

579
00:50:49,060 --> 00:50:51,660
and congestion, which led to dangerous situations.

580
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:59,640
So you're going to duplicate the exact thing that we eliminated on Main Street as to what

581
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,040
we eliminated on Huff Street.

582
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:09,800
But it's not a good mix when you have a ton of college students who are distracted.

583
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,080
Let's put it on.

584
00:51:11,180 --> 00:51:18,160
You know, looking at phones, thinking about classes, whatever, a two solid lines because

585
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:25,180
when classes in session, you can't find a party on Main Street and then add bikes into it.

586
00:51:25,540 --> 00:51:29,920
And those are cars that come and go as classes let out and don't as a lot of doors that

587
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:35,700
open. It just seems like a disaster waiting to happen. So why would we duplicate that?

588
00:51:36,980 --> 00:51:46,080
So I'll answer the question this way. Much of the project, especially along Sarnia, we actually

589
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:52,340
have the situation where we have parking and there are like marked bike lanes there today. So

590
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:59,160
we're proposing to perpetuate that condition and try to make that a little safer.

591
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:06,480
If there are other things, like you mentioned the other example where there is no parking,

592
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,900
we would defer completely to the city if you wanted to eliminate parking along certain

593
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:19,140
stretches of Main Street or that's not, we would be burned or per day.

594
00:52:20,500 --> 00:52:26,400
So that's not going to be a popular notion, not to be, and so what would be easier, I think,

595
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:27,080
is what has

596
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:59,980
I think it's pretending that this is safe. I mean, the parking will not get rid of. That's not possible. So I would consider that. You know, I understand you guys are working under design stands for it, says if it's this, it's going to be that. But I think, you know, to make this work, because ideally in my mind, I'm just going to say this once publicly, and then I won't belabor it anymore, because this is the other comment that I've received. It makes no sense that we're doing this right through the center of town. It would be much better if it went on 61 years ago.

597
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,320
down to Pels are around and you eliminate all of these headaches.

598
00:53:05,180 --> 00:53:08,740
But I understand that's not possible, that isn't going to get done.

599
00:53:08,940 --> 00:53:10,380
We're not going to change that at this point.

600
00:53:11,340 --> 00:53:12,540
But I had to mention it.

601
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,100
So let's go to Sarnia now.

602
00:53:17,380 --> 00:53:22,680
So if we're going to put in this sidewalk on the south side and we're going to potentially damage

603
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:30,620
these trees wouldn't it make sense to make that a dedicated separate bike lane and then

604
00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:35,380
take the stripes off the streets and make a safer situation.

605
00:53:36,700 --> 00:53:42,660
So I think in order to make that it's completely separated by path we have to make it

606
00:53:42,660 --> 00:53:48,600
even wider than what we're proposing, which would damage more trees because you're proposing

607
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:49,140
I'm sorry.

608
00:53:49,140 --> 00:53:52,080
You're proposing it's going to be 8 feet now.

609
00:53:52,680 --> 00:54:00,080
It's 8 feet, which for a 5 feet of it is essentially usable for pedestrians when you

610
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:06,840
subtract away the 3-foot buffer zone from the curve line, what's the paved section?

611
00:54:07,020 --> 00:54:10,960
It's 8 feet, but 3 feet we don't really consider as usable.

612
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,220
What's the bike path around the lake?

613
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:35,740
Okay, our typical standards for a shared use path would be, I think, I believe, 10 to 12 feet is when we typically propose to so that we have two-way traffic possible on that, so my sense is that in order to do that it would have to get wider.

614
00:54:36,860 --> 00:54:43,980
The other piece that would be a little bit complicated there, too, is additional right-of-way needs from the park.

615
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:49,740
So that park was established and purchased, I believe, with something that's called lock-on puns.

616
00:54:50,620 --> 00:54:53,020
That's administered by the Department of Interior.

617
00:54:54,140 --> 00:55:04,380
And if we have any real right-of-way acquisitions through that area, we have to work through a specific process called the 6th of process.

618
00:55:04,380 --> 00:55:13,300
the federal government to ensure that they're okay with that conversion to a different

619
00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:15,320
use load and parkland,

620
00:55:17,650 --> 00:55:22,450
okay that would make any sense at all, but I don't want to

621
00:55:22,450 --> 00:55:26,390
know what I'm going to say is there would be in addition to the additional width, okay,

622
00:55:26,510 --> 00:55:33,190
which could damage additional areas, the additional right away needs that would trigger some

623
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:37,630
other regulatory loopholes that we'd have to get through.

624
00:55:38,130 --> 00:55:41,810
Okay, loopholes can be gotten through, but they're lengthy.

625
00:55:43,050 --> 00:55:48,510
As anything with the federal government for sure, it would seem like we have an opportunity

626
00:55:49,470 --> 00:55:54,850
here to improve things and it seems like the design although it does make improvements without

627
00:55:54,850 --> 00:56:00,310
a question for many aspects including especially pedestrian seems to be a really strong focus

628
00:56:00,310 --> 00:56:01,650
which I really appreciate.

629
00:56:02,990 --> 00:56:05,490
I think the bike thing is something

630
00:56:05,490 --> 00:56:07,250
that we're either going to,

631
00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:10,610
it seems like it would be better to forget it

632
00:56:10,610 --> 00:56:11,870
and not paint the lines.

633
00:56:12,350 --> 00:56:15,530
That would actually be safer than painting something

634
00:56:15,530 --> 00:56:18,730
and shrinking it and making it unsafe.

635
00:56:19,650 --> 00:56:22,310
I mean, I think we need to think out of the box here,

636
00:56:22,610 --> 00:56:25,150
if it's not too, you know, if we're gonna say,

637
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:27,550
we can't make it wide enough and there's too much bureaucracy

638
00:56:27,550 --> 00:56:29,270
to make a separate bike lane.

639
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:34,410
I don't necessarily agree with that, I don't necessarily believe that, but at the same time,

640
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:39,910
then we, I think, based on what the testimony is said, and I look forward to, again,

641
00:56:40,070 --> 00:56:43,770
people that know more about the details of this than me, it would seem like we do have

642
00:56:43,770 --> 00:56:47,270
an opportunity if we can't make it better to not make it worse.

643
00:56:48,290 --> 00:56:52,770
So I would, I would like to hear more conversation around that.

644
00:56:52,770 --> 00:57:00,190
If I could respond to this specifically, the notion of eliminating the painted bike lane.

645
00:57:01,570 --> 00:57:06,890
So, in this case, we would defer to the city to make that call.

646
00:57:07,110 --> 00:57:19,390
If that's something that the city doesn't want, that's something that the city can express in writing to us as a condition for approval here.

647
00:57:19,390 --> 00:57:27,630
We went necessarily supported ourselves, but if the community feels otherwise, I think we would respect that.

648
00:57:28,190 --> 00:57:31,710
But I do have a couple of comments to make about that.

649
00:57:32,090 --> 00:57:35,650
If that were eliminated, there were no painted line there.

650
00:57:36,210 --> 00:57:37,510
No painted bike path.

651
00:57:38,010 --> 00:57:43,590
That space, it would remain, it would result in a very wide through lane,

652
00:57:44,570 --> 00:57:47,150
which would then encourage higher vehicle speeds potentially.

653
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:53,550
And that could impact both bicyclists who are now sharing that land.

654
00:57:53,910 --> 00:57:59,630
And again, if we take the painted markings there, that doesn't necessarily prohibit bicyclists

655
00:57:59,630 --> 00:58:00,990
from using that.

656
00:58:01,090 --> 00:58:04,670
They're still legally allowed to bike on the road.

657
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:10,790
And so there would not be an advantage of having a marked facility there.

658
00:58:10,850 --> 00:58:16,630
They would call attention for the driver to note that there is actually a marked bike

659
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:21,490
there. So I would offer that for your consideration.

660
00:58:24,110 --> 00:58:26,330
I have vehicle speeds that could result would

661
00:58:26,330 --> 00:58:34,570
also be counter to min dots overall efforts here with safe system efforts. We know that reducing

662
00:58:34,570 --> 00:58:41,810
vehicle speeds requires multiple interventions. So it's not just a one magic bullet before that.

663
00:58:42,490 --> 00:58:48,090
So curb extensions or bike lanes alone will reduce speeds that much but together they could

664
00:58:48,090 --> 00:58:49,250
I have a bigger impact.

665
00:58:52,740 --> 00:58:54,380
That's what I have to say about that.

666
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:55,740
OK, I appreciate that.

667
00:58:55,860 --> 00:58:56,880
And I mean, it's a good point.

668
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,180
Just trying to think about the box here,

669
00:58:59,500 --> 00:59:01,200
because this is our chance of disengaging.

670
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:01,900
I'm sorry.

671
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,480
I'm not trying to monopolize this.

672
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,680
But if you were to eliminate parking on one side,

673
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,580
would that change what you could do for bike lanes?

674
00:59:11,860 --> 00:59:12,280
And what had you?

675
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:17,320
Because on Sarnia, unlike Main Street,

676
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:24,020
that it's not often that that is fully locked in other than or if there's a softball

677
00:59:24,020 --> 00:59:27,820
tournament. So I think that would take a little bit more

678
00:59:27,820 --> 00:59:30,960
study. It's hard for me to answer that there could be some advantages.

679
00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:34,000
There are also some

680
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:39,380
things that would concern me too. I think your proposal would be maybe shifting lanes

681
00:59:39,380 --> 00:59:47,800
one side. I'm open to suggest. Yeah, I think that might complicate some of the turn movements.

682
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:56,120
Okay. Off of Highway 43 under the side streets if we're pushing them closer. Things are pretty tight as they are.

683
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:56,940
We've prepared.

684
01:00:00,180 --> 01:00:16,640
And sure that turning movements are still preserved for larger vehicles. So I would be concerned about that and without having drawn it up, it's hard to say whether that would be workable or not. Okay. And lastly, I promise.

685
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:27,000
So you're going to do this, you're going to, in this process, you're, you're talking about putting in a new sidewalk on the south side, redoing the sidewalk on the north side of Sarnia.

686
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:37,200
Is there any way that you could do one way by claims so that you didn't need as much girth or with on the sidewalk or on the separated side.

687
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,640
One goes one way, one goes the other way.

688
01:00:42,700 --> 01:00:48,980
I think on the north side, where there's already sidewalk,

689
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,880
widening that out is going to be fairly impactful

690
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,120
to residents.

691
01:00:54,940 --> 01:00:58,540
There's not a lot of room on the boulevard side,

692
01:00:58,860 --> 01:01:02,840
and we've got concerns with 20-year-olds.

693
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,920
Yeah, trees and people, the arts, and so expanding it

694
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:13,240
the residents side, you know, we're looking at probably impacts to over a hundred

695
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:18,880
persons. Okay. So that's that's problematic, I understand. Okay, I appreciate it.

696
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,500
Thank you for your patience. You're most welcome. Steve.

697
01:01:22,540 --> 01:01:27,000
I'm going to make it real quick and that's just one question. Corner of Main Street

698
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,980
and Sarnia. I drive that frequently. I actually drive this whole system frequently.

699
01:01:31,180 --> 01:01:36,780
That seems to be the pain point, especially large trucks, turning at that point. I'm

700
01:01:36,780 --> 01:01:40,100
I'm trying to look carefully at it, I get this tiny little diagram here.

701
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:43,620
So are we taking steps to try to make that more truck-friendly?

702
01:01:44,260 --> 01:01:45,580
I don't trash your hook.

703
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:50,240
But I'm waiting for them and I'm watching their challenges.

704
01:01:50,460 --> 01:01:54,480
They have getting around, they're just going to consider around about what are we doing to

705
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:55,980
make sure that flow is a little faster.

706
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,520
I think when asked Abby to address that, is Abby's been intimately involved with the

707
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:01,800
design?

708
01:02:07,090 --> 01:02:09,030
Yes, that corner is problematic.

709
01:02:09,030 --> 01:02:17,810
So it's here, sorry, my directions are really bad with this layout, but your west-bound north-bound movement, that right turn.

710
01:02:19,010 --> 01:02:22,990
So we are putting in a compound curve there for the radius, so it's like two curves.

711
01:02:23,530 --> 01:02:29,510
It's a sharper one to kind of keep them bumped out where they need to be, so that they're turning wide.

712
01:02:29,890 --> 01:02:39,870
And then it's a flatter curve to give them more space to track their trailer, and stay with them laying, so we've run our turn movements, and it fits and it doesn't encroach on.

713
01:02:39,870 --> 01:02:43,810
the other lanes of traffic. So, that's kind of our solution for that corner.

714
01:02:44,590 --> 01:02:47,590
Glad to hear a penny of attention to it. I'll be watching.

715
01:02:48,050 --> 01:02:50,210
So much truck drivers, dotter. So, I caught a ride.

716
01:02:50,330 --> 01:02:51,190
So, I'll call for it.

717
01:02:51,210 --> 01:02:53,470
There you go. That house was for sale there.

718
01:02:54,510 --> 01:02:54,590
Yeah.

719
01:02:54,590 --> 01:02:58,270
But that tore that down and we did get that message to you.

720
01:02:58,750 --> 01:02:59,750
Thanks for that house, huh?

721
01:03:00,650 --> 01:03:08,210
We had asked, we had got a message to min dot through a couple different methods to purchase that house

722
01:03:08,210 --> 01:03:18,270
And make that much simpler to make that turn there, but we'll believe that you'll do well with the space that you have.

723
01:03:19,610 --> 01:03:20,210
So thank you.

724
01:03:20,810 --> 01:03:22,930
Thanks to you, Sam, and then Durham.

725
01:03:24,550 --> 01:03:29,970
Not to reopen everything that Councillor Hymer had discussed, but let's give back in.

726
01:03:30,190 --> 01:03:31,210
But I don't want to do that.

727
01:03:31,210 --> 01:03:38,670
If I was understanding you right, you were saying that we couldn't have a bike lane on the north side of Sarnia

728
01:03:38,670 --> 01:03:45,610
because it wouldn't be wide enough allowing for that three-feet buffer and the five-feet of pedestrian use.

729
01:03:47,150 --> 01:03:49,070
I don't know what Sarnia said we couldn't.

730
01:03:49,450 --> 01:03:59,390
I think that if we were looking at a wider path there on the north side, south side.

731
01:03:59,390 --> 01:04:07,290
That's right. The park side. Yeah, park side. There would likely be more tree impacts.

732
01:04:07,790 --> 01:04:08,250
Right.

733
01:04:10,350 --> 01:04:19,770
Anything else side of current mid-out right away, we would need additional real estate from the park.

734
01:04:20,510 --> 01:04:25,250
Right. Once we need more real estate from the park that automatically triggers,

735
01:04:25,250 --> 01:04:32,070
some other federal regulations known as six-off, and so there would be,

736
01:04:33,330 --> 01:04:38,550
let's say we can't do it. I think there would be some some additional

737
01:04:38,550 --> 01:04:45,150
regulatory hurdles, and then we would have to work through that are not quick to get

738
01:04:46,170 --> 01:04:55,370
through. And time is of the essence on this project. It is a matter of logistics here,

739
01:04:55,370 --> 01:04:59,270
So our funding for this project is for fiscal year 28.

740
01:05:01,090 --> 01:05:04,530
If we don't deliver a project in fiscal year 28,

741
01:05:05,630 --> 01:05:11,310
the funding that's attached to the project is no longer attached to it.

742
01:05:11,310 --> 01:05:13,670
It goes back into our general fund.

743
01:05:14,190 --> 01:05:18,510
And whatever project that we are envisioning,

744
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:21,590
it gets moved back would have to compete for funding it again.

745
01:05:21,590 --> 01:05:29,710
and I can't ear into you that it could be built next year, it may be deferred a number of years.

746
01:05:30,250 --> 01:05:35,050
So, side-stuffing the property acquisition piece that you're telling me would be very difficult.

747
01:05:35,930 --> 01:05:41,870
I'm still struggling to see how an eight-foot sidewalk wouldn't be enough for pedestrian and cyclists,

748
01:05:41,890 --> 01:05:47,070
and I would encourage us to think creatively about how we can make that work.

749
01:05:48,350 --> 01:05:59,390
If Lake Path is 9, feet, this is one foot narrower, even if we say it's not a cyclist

750
01:05:59,390 --> 01:06:00,370
path.

751
01:06:00,790 --> 01:06:02,630
Well, as you know right now, bikes are going to be on it.

752
01:06:02,970 --> 01:06:04,590
We might as well just plan for them.

753
01:06:05,050 --> 01:06:07,290
We might as well give them a place to be.

754
01:06:07,290 --> 01:06:13,210
We have these discussions all the time about we need to have create a place for folk to

755
01:06:13,210 --> 01:06:14,770
be so they can be safe.

756
01:06:14,770 --> 01:06:24,350
This is that place, I really encourage looking at designing Sarnia specifically to have a protected

757
01:06:24,350 --> 01:06:30,850
bike lane that is raised in at the pedestrian, sidewalk level, aside not at the street level,

758
01:06:31,770 --> 01:06:38,130
for main street. So that was another piece that you had talked about and how we could remove parking,

759
01:06:38,130 --> 01:06:49,650
but likely aren't going to. Could we widen the sidewalks on each side of Main Street to create

760
01:06:49,650 --> 01:06:52,890
more space for pedestrians and cyclists?

761
01:06:53,050 --> 01:06:56,710
Again, I think that would take some additional investigation to see what those impacts

762
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:57,530
are or I don't.

763
01:06:58,830 --> 01:07:00,830
On the top of my head, I don't know what that would be.

764
01:07:00,830 --> 01:07:01,510
investigation.

765
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:08,420
All right.

766
01:07:09,180 --> 01:07:15,280
Really, my big takeaway that I would like you to have is that I would encourage

767
01:07:16,220 --> 01:07:21,620
looking at more space for cyclists that was the overwhelming community consensus.

768
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,700
That is what I will be looking for as a counselor.

769
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:39,160
Yeah, I'd like to shift the attention from bicycles to semis.

770
01:07:42,180 --> 01:08:01,180
First off, I am still waiting to hear a reason. Other than paperwork and politics, why we can't reroute truck traffic.

771
01:08:01,180 --> 01:08:17,040
to Pellzer and up Riverview and make get 60 foot tractor trailers out of downtown Winona and down Main Street and out of the Center at Town.

772
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:31,160
To me this is a political rather than a physical structural issue and should be addressed at such and shouldn't be an impediment to making that.

773
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:42,000
happened. Second I really appreciate Ted's observations and would like to bring them his

774
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:48,140
observation particularly regarding the narrow truck lanes on Sarnia.

775
01:09:01,620 --> 01:09:02,940
We're going to

776
01:09:02,940 --> 01:09:04,740
How does that work?

777
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,980
Can you speak to that or in those lanes?

778
01:09:09,820 --> 01:09:19,280
I think there's a feeling that we're squishing things down and understand that.

779
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:20,780
The other question is to me.

780
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:25,100
11 foot lanes are used quite frequently in urban areas.

781
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,340
I think Mr. Wochek even mentioned on I-94.

782
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,160
We've got 11 foot lanes.

783
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:37,940
11-foot lanes many years ago was the standard. We have not found any operational difficulties with 11-foot lanes.

784
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:42,000
The reason for the 11-foot lanes again is space allocation.

785
01:09:44,440 --> 01:09:55,340
Much of the corridor to allocate room for all users when it would be motorized traffic, being trucks, parking, or bicycles with the bike lanes.

786
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:07,200
I'm concerned we're trying to do too many things with too little space, and I think that

787
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:17,340
that's the other thing is the fifth street lack of a signal on fifth street. I've been using

788
01:10:17,340 --> 01:10:28,800
met intersection for 50 years and it's enough traffic backs up there as it is.

789
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:41,560
I wouldn't want to, I think that the observation that without a stop signal on Main Street

790
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:50,570
at that intersection, we're going to have some creating a hazardous situation, people are going

791
01:10:50,570 --> 01:11:01,330
to get frustrated and hop across the street. What's your studying, how do you, how do you,

792
01:11:02,030 --> 01:11:08,730
so we, what's the rationale for changing that? Yeah, so I'll do my best to explain that.

793
01:11:10,770 --> 01:11:16,650
So, there was a study that was conducted called an intersection control evaluation, an ISR port.

794
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:25,530
It looks at these particular intersections that being forestry, fifth street, and Broadway, in particular, noting this project.

795
01:11:25,710 --> 01:11:29,150
And what is the appropriate traffic control device there?

796
01:11:29,870 --> 01:11:37,190
It was found that at Forest Street and fifth street, the actual warrants for a signal,

797
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:39,130
We're not met.

798
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:42,080
What would they be?

799
01:11:42,820 --> 01:11:46,460
I believe some of the warrants have to do it our way of volumes.

800
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:54,380
Again, I wasn't intimately involved in that study, so I'm going off with memory here.

801
01:11:55,020 --> 01:11:57,800
And we can furnish that study as well if necessary.

802
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:03,440
So warrants were not met at War 3 or 5th Street.

803
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:24,840
It's found that the appropriate and most efficient way of managing traffic through the corridor with minimal delay on the highway 43 would be looking at it always stop at the fourth and main and then side street stop control is you may have noted at fifth street.

804
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:33,640
We also recently conducted a gap analysis, so that looks at gaps between traffic from

805
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:40,340
forestry to fifth street, to specifically identify weather, their gaps specifically for pedestrians

806
01:12:40,340 --> 01:12:45,940
to cross there, as well as vehicles crossing there.

807
01:12:46,220 --> 01:12:52,200
I believe what we found is there are more than enough sufficient gaps for those movements

808
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,240
to happen without any deleterious effects.

809
01:12:56,320 --> 01:13:03,960
In addition, we're also looking at adding rectangular, flashing beacon at fifth street to

810
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:09,960
help with some of the pedestrian crossings, or we know that there's a fair amount of pedestrian

811
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:10,300
demand.

812
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:10,780
There are two.

813
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:17,460
So I think the conclusions of the intersection control, the valuation, the following

814
01:13:17,460 --> 01:13:24,200
those areas were found that the signals were not warranted and the most efficient means

815
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:28,160
of managing traffic were the stop control conditions that I mentioned.

816
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:36,880
I don't see here any consideration there that the fact that there's a performing arts center

817
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:42,200
on the corner of the fifth and main, the post office of the corner of the fifth and main.

818
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:49,800
I have a major apartment complex at Fifth and Main and a bank at Fifth and Main, all of which

819
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:59,640
generate not only vehicular, but pedestrian traffic, and with no pedestrian crossing

820
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:05,340
control there, you're creating a hazard, and I don't care how many times you bump out

821
01:14:05,340 --> 01:14:13,180
the curbs. Once you step off the curb into a uncontrolled traffic flow, you've created a serious

822
01:14:13,180 --> 01:14:18,660
a serious hazard, particularly at times when we're going to have people going, coming

823
01:14:18,660 --> 01:14:29,200
and going for performances at the center and other just during the day.

824
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:36,720
Yeah, I'm not, I think that that's creating an unnecessarily hazardous situation.

825
01:14:37,740 --> 01:14:43,360
So I think to speak to that, that's why we're adding our FB and a flashing beacon there.

826
01:14:43,980 --> 01:14:46,200
But that's not going to stop traffic, sir.

827
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,820
But it should when they're crossing.

828
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:52,760
It's not a red light.

829
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:57,100
We've also factored it.

830
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:15,960
Or not only currently using a but projected to use it 20 years into the future. And we've also, as of last fall, took some more recent additional counts, both pedestrian and behavior accounts there.

831
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:22,200
So those have all been factored into our decision, regarding that signal system there.

832
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:29,020
It's been well-vetted amongst our traffic engineers and they feel pretty confident that

833
01:15:29,020 --> 01:15:31,420
we're proposing there is safe.

834
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:39,260
Have they stood on the corner and tried to get across Main Street when it's busy?

835
01:15:40,220 --> 01:15:42,380
I can't speak for our traffic engineers.

836
01:15:42,380 --> 01:15:46,200
I know they are going to speak for the folks in Monona, let's have

837
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:55,660
a look at that intersection.

838
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:02,460
I don't know how you would do this, but there are two significant developments that are going to

839
01:16:02,460 --> 01:16:08,880
be coming online there. One, you have a whole new apartment complex with over a hundred units, a block away,

840
01:16:09,060 --> 01:16:14,680
and obviously the performing arts center coming on, that I think is going to impact that is

841
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:20,060
way that you can, you say you cast forward 20 years, is there a way that, you know, that you have a.

842
01:16:20,060 --> 01:16:24,040
Yeah, those volumes are accounted for in our analysis.

843
01:16:24,420 --> 01:16:26,960
There is typically what happens with the development.

844
01:16:28,500 --> 01:16:40,180
There's some guidelines is usually produced by the Institute of Traffic Engineers that estimate the number of vehicles coming and going from a certain size of development.

845
01:16:40,180 --> 01:16:45,900
So we use that as a baseline estimate to add to our traffic

846
01:16:45,900 --> 01:16:49,560
colors, and then we factor that up to account for a growth

847
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,640
in traffic over time.

848
01:16:51,940 --> 01:16:53,080
OK, thank you.

849
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:55,600
Is there a comments?

850
01:16:58,580 --> 01:17:00,940
I'll email you, mine, all right?

851
01:17:02,060 --> 01:17:02,820
Thank you.

852
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:03,340
All right.

853
01:17:04,260 --> 01:17:06,140
Hearing no other discussion, all those in favor?

854
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:06,960
Say aye.

855
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:08,300
Opposed?

856
01:17:09,220 --> 01:17:09,700
Motion passes.

857
01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:15,240
For the remainder of this meeting, residents are only

858
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:20,480
out a speaker if they've ever requested for the council and ever recognize you to speak.

859
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:27,680
We are going to move item 4.4 up to the front of petitions, requests and communications

860
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,480
so that we can move some people along here.

861
01:17:30,660 --> 01:17:35,000
Under unfinished business being moved, 4.4 is the vote club lease agreement.

862
01:17:35,300 --> 01:17:36,700
The council is a pretty good question.

863
01:17:38,340 --> 01:17:40,680
Motion from Steve, second from Sam, any discussion?

864
01:17:42,930 --> 01:17:43,390
Hearing none.

865
01:17:43,610 --> 01:17:44,850
All those in favor say aye.

866
01:17:45,610 --> 01:17:46,050
Opposed?

867
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:49,550
And one absentant.

868
01:17:52,670 --> 01:17:54,230
Thank you gentlemen for hanging out.

869
01:17:54,990 --> 01:17:55,350
Appreciate it.

870
01:17:56,690 --> 01:17:58,270
Thanks for being here.

871
01:17:58,630 --> 01:18:00,130
Under positions requesting communications.

872
01:18:00,410 --> 01:18:04,830
Item 3.1 is the appointment to the John Latch Memorial Parks and Recreation Commission.

873
01:18:05,010 --> 01:18:06,330
The Council confirmed the appointment.

874
01:18:07,130 --> 01:18:10,430
Second, motion from Steve 2 from Jerome any discussion.

875
01:18:11,950 --> 01:18:12,350
Hearing none.

876
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:14,050
All those in favour say aye.

877
01:18:14,830 --> 01:18:15,250
Opposed?

878
01:18:15,930 --> 01:18:16,670
Motion passes.

879
01:18:17,370 --> 01:18:20,790
Item 3.2 is an appointment to the Creative Commission.

880
01:18:20,990 --> 01:18:22,110
With the Council to confirm the appointment.

881
01:18:22,970 --> 01:18:24,670
Motion from C to second from Sam.

882
01:18:25,130 --> 01:18:28,030
Any discussion? Hearing none.

883
01:18:28,210 --> 01:18:29,570
All those in favour say aye.

884
01:18:30,010 --> 01:18:30,130
All right.

885
01:18:30,490 --> 01:18:31,010
Opposed?

886
01:18:31,650 --> 01:18:32,210
Motion pencils.

887
01:18:33,470 --> 01:18:34,870
Item 3.3 is the Board's

888
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:36,190
In Commission application announcement.

889
01:18:36,890 --> 01:18:38,890
Currently there is one opening on the Board of Adjustment.

890
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:40,970
One current opening and three terms

891
01:18:40,970 --> 01:18:43,490
Experienced on the Citizens Environmental Quality Committee.

892
01:18:43,490 --> 01:18:48,730
One position expiring and thus one potential seat on the HRA, one seat on the John

893
01:18:48,730 --> 01:18:52,970
Ledge Memorial Parks and Recreation Commission, one seat on the Merit Board and three

894
01:18:52,970 --> 01:18:56,110
seats expiring and thus three potential seats on the Planning Commission.

895
01:18:56,330 --> 01:18:57,710
The Council received a file report.

896
01:18:59,270 --> 01:19:01,690
Motion from Steve 2 from Sam, all those in favour.

897
01:19:02,090 --> 01:19:02,590
Oh, I'm sorry.

898
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:03,370
Any discussion?

899
01:19:04,850 --> 01:19:05,370
Hearing none.

900
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:06,110
All those in favour?

901
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:06,870
Stay high.

902
01:19:07,170 --> 01:19:07,350
High.

903
01:19:07,710 --> 01:19:08,070
Opposed?

904
01:19:08,970 --> 01:19:09,510
Motion passes.

905
01:19:10,170 --> 01:19:15,950
Item 3.4 is the Winona Senior High School Homecoming Parade Request for September 18th.

906
01:19:16,050 --> 01:19:17,010
With the Council for the Request.

907
01:19:17,850 --> 01:19:19,430
Motion from C second from Sam.

908
01:19:19,870 --> 01:19:20,350
Any discussion?

909
01:19:22,110 --> 01:19:22,530
Hearing none.

910
01:19:22,690 --> 01:19:23,890
All those in favour say aye.

911
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:25,150
Post.

912
01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:26,870
Motion passes.

913
01:19:27,570 --> 01:19:31,530
Item 3.5 is a no parking request for Benedictine Open House event.

914
01:19:31,670 --> 01:19:32,830
With the Council for the Request.

915
01:19:33,790 --> 01:19:35,330
Motion from C second from Sam.

916
01:19:35,690 --> 01:19:36,190
Any discussion?

917
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:38,470
Hearing none.

918
01:19:38,650 --> 01:19:39,210
All those in favour.

919
01:19:39,210 --> 01:19:42,830
say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes.

920
01:19:43,810 --> 01:19:46,450
I didn't 3.6 is a flat camera official statement.

921
01:19:46,730 --> 01:19:48,230
The council received in the file report.

922
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:52,670
The motion from Steve, I will take the second from George.

923
01:19:58,050 --> 01:19:58,450
Any discussion?

924
01:19:59,330 --> 01:20:00,370
Are we going to read the statement?

925
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:03,570
We'll be starting again.

926
01:20:03,990 --> 01:20:04,790
I think we should.

927
01:20:05,150 --> 01:20:05,270
Okay.

928
01:20:10,420 --> 01:20:12,920
Mayor and council message in the one on a police department,

929
01:20:13,500 --> 01:20:14,640
August 12th,

930
01:20:15,380 --> 01:20:20,060
In 2006, a lot of cameras have been effective and impactful resource for law enforcement.

931
01:20:20,620 --> 01:20:25,400
It helps solve crimes, prevent harm, and protect individuals who have been victimized.

932
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:30,980
Since their implementation, the Mona Police Department has utilized flat cameras in locating a homicide,

933
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:38,580
suspect locating individuals in crisis, and solving numerous cases involving hidden runs, stolen vehicles, and other offenses.

934
01:20:39,260 --> 01:20:44,980
Our department's use of flock has been guided by clear policies, appropriate training, and ongoing oversight,

935
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:51,780
as with all our law enforcement practices, our use of flock is grounded in accountability,

936
01:20:53,220 --> 01:20:57,020
complies with state law, and is subject to applicable statutory audits.

937
01:20:57,460 --> 01:21:00,000
Importantly, we have had no instances of misuse.

938
01:21:00,460 --> 01:21:05,580
At the end of the day, however, our communities trust as the foundation of effective policing, and we've looked

939
01:21:05,580 --> 01:21:08,780
And we've worked hard to build and maintain that trust.

940
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:10,980
Well, Flaq has been a valuable tool.

941
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:18,080
We believe it's use has contributed to growing concerns about trust and policing both locally and across the state and nation.

942
01:21:18,660 --> 01:21:24,720
After careful consideration, the Winona PD has decided not to reinstall any Flaq cameras in the city of Winona.

943
01:21:24,900 --> 01:21:30,760
Our commitment is simple, protecting our community while maintaining the trust that makes at work possible.

944
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:35,240
Technology will continue to evolve and with those advancements will come both opportunities

945
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:36,040
and challenges.

946
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:40,160
It will be important for law enforcement agencies and partnership with the communities

947
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:45,660
they serve to have meaningful dialogue when it comes to future developments and decision-making.

948
01:21:46,020 --> 01:21:50,480
We believe that starts with trust and we will continue to do our best to earn and preserve

949
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:53,100
that non-appleased department in all of Minnesota.

950
01:21:54,380 --> 01:21:54,620
Thank you.

951
01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:57,680
Any comments or questions or discussion?

952
01:22:04,620 --> 01:22:08,070
We've been talking about flock for a whole summer now.

953
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,600
I want to say thank you to everyone who has reached out,

954
01:22:11,820 --> 01:22:14,380
email us, respectfully shared their thoughts.

955
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:20,240
It's clear that this technology is not the right use for our community.

956
01:22:22,260 --> 01:22:25,910
I'm very thankful for the PD's statement and their reaffirmation

957
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:26,990
information that community.

958
01:22:30,270 --> 01:22:32,290
I agree with that.

959
01:22:37,220 --> 01:22:45,760
I think it's been made clear to us as a city that moving forward with any similar technologies is not in line with what our community wants.

960
01:22:51,090 --> 01:22:54,570
I'm really struggling to find my words, which is unusual for me.

961
01:22:59,500 --> 01:23:07,560
More than anything I want to speak directly to the citizens of Winona and saying that you made your voices clear.

962
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:17,840
Some of you and more appropriate ways than others, and I would like to continue to encourage those appropriate ways to reach out to local leaders.

963
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:22,760
We mailing us, coming to public comment, those are appropriate ways.

964
01:23:23,060 --> 01:23:24,840
Just drawing public,

965
01:23:27,380 --> 01:23:32,820
just drawing public goods is not something that any of us would condom.

966
01:23:35,230 --> 01:23:43,010
Please continue to reach out to us with your thoughts, your feelings, so that we can advocate for issues that are most important to you.

967
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:46,290
I've said this before, I will continue to say it.

968
01:23:46,290 --> 01:23:51,250
We cannot advocate for things that we do not know our issues for you.

969
01:23:51,250 --> 01:23:52,970
Please continue to let us know.

970
01:23:53,710 --> 01:23:56,570
Our emails are easily found on the city website,

971
01:23:57,110 --> 01:24:00,690
and it can truly be, and email is simple as saying,

972
01:24:01,250 --> 01:24:02,710
hey, I saw this was happening.

973
01:24:03,330 --> 01:24:04,930
I don't agree with it.

974
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:07,690
It does not need to be significantly more than that

975
01:24:07,690 --> 01:24:09,550
to let us know where you stand,

976
01:24:09,790 --> 01:24:13,670
so we can lead our city in the direction that we all want.

977
01:24:15,070 --> 01:24:19,790
I'm disappointed that a vigilante took matters into their own hands.

978
01:24:20,690 --> 01:24:28,070
I think that we were at the point of that discussion regardless, and those actions did not speed up the timeline.

979
01:24:28,250 --> 01:24:31,530
Nor does it for a trip, one on it, in the light that we want.

980
01:24:32,590 --> 01:24:34,450
We are community that listens.

981
01:24:35,390 --> 01:24:37,350
We are a community that leads.

982
01:24:38,150 --> 01:24:43,590
Please continue to reach out to us and tell us what you think so that we can continue to represent you

983
01:24:43,590 --> 01:24:48,850
the way that's best. Thanks. Thanks, Ian. Any other comments?

984
01:24:52,930 --> 01:24:57,890
Yeah, this is a tough one. I agree wholeheartedly with the police

985
01:24:57,890 --> 01:25:03,530
statement in the outcome. I think it was demonstrated by public opinion that this

986
01:25:03,530 --> 01:25:10,790
was not popular, this was not warranted. I think it's difficult. I think we try

987
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:17,430
really hard here to play by the rules and do things fairly, do things appropriately.

988
01:25:19,290 --> 01:25:24,870
I think sometimes these things get heated, they become a national issue, and I'll think

989
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:31,010
at times people can flate misbehavior and other communities while that must be going

990
01:25:31,010 --> 01:25:34,010
on here when it's not, it's not warranted.

991
01:25:34,010 --> 01:25:36,730
And I think in this community,

992
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:45,570
the police department has made a valid attempt and continues to try to earn the public's trust.

993
01:25:46,110 --> 01:25:47,350
I think that goes both ways.

994
01:25:48,170 --> 01:25:52,710
I think you need to assume good intentions at most times,

995
01:25:52,930 --> 01:25:57,930
and I think it's important that you don't conflate national issues to local ones.

996
01:25:57,930 --> 01:26:04,830
It's not to say that there isn't serious problems with flock, if you do, and obviously with

997
01:26:04,830 --> 01:26:11,830
misidentifying license plates, people being pulled over that warrant, that we're misidentified,

998
01:26:12,630 --> 01:26:18,250
that is well documented, but it didn't happen here that I am aware of, or that has

999
01:26:18,250 --> 01:26:18,870
been reported.

1000
01:26:19,570 --> 01:26:21,110
So I think it's important.

1001
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:27,810
I do echo Sam's comment, I think it's absolutely critical that we hear from you.

1002
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:33,250
I think there is a, and I think the majority of people that contacted us did so

1003
01:26:33,250 --> 01:26:40,410
plightly and reasonably, there was a minority of folks that were not polite or reasonable.

1004
01:26:41,190 --> 01:26:46,970
And it doesn't amplify your point of view by being derogatory.

1005
01:26:46,970 --> 01:26:53,130
I think we all need to work on civility in this day and age, and it starts here.

1006
01:26:53,890 --> 01:26:57,330
So thank you for the comments, and that's about all we got.

1007
01:26:58,270 --> 01:26:59,070
Thank you, sir.

1008
01:26:59,630 --> 01:27:01,630
And there are comments, questions, and discussion?

1009
01:27:02,730 --> 01:27:02,970
Thank you.

1010
01:27:07,890 --> 01:27:12,950
I fully trust that when on a police department, I believe they set rigorous standards for

1011
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:18,850
this technology and create a robust local auditing policy, however, while I don't like

1012
01:27:18,850 --> 01:27:25,250
awarding bad behavior. I am glad to see the block cameras gone. Call me and conspiracy theorist

1013
01:27:25,250 --> 01:27:31,430
all you want. The surveillance data is incredibly powerful, highly valuable and dangerously

1014
01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:38,050
profitable. I simply cannot trust a private corporation like Block Safety safeguard that information

1015
01:27:38,050 --> 01:27:45,370
when everyone wants a piece of it. A nationwide surveillance state feels inevitable, but I

1016
01:27:45,370 --> 01:27:49,370
and nearly every night heard from appreciate the chance to take a pause.

1017
01:27:50,650 --> 01:27:51,050
Thanks, Faith.

1018
01:27:52,090 --> 01:27:54,030
Did your comments question their discussion?

1019
01:28:01,510 --> 01:28:02,390
I'm

1020
01:28:04,530 --> 01:28:15,710
more concerned about what this represents than what it was.

1021
01:28:16,690 --> 01:28:21,070
License plate readers are hardly high-tech.

1022
01:28:22,850 --> 01:28:28,010
35 states you drive down the inner state and you're going to get pay your toll because

1023
01:28:28,010 --> 01:28:32,930
the camera over the highway has identified you by license plate.

1024
01:28:33,390 --> 01:28:39,710
Drive through a small town in Iowa, a little too fast and a few weeks later you get

1025
01:28:39,710 --> 01:28:45,550
bill for a hundred bucks in the administrative citation based on a camera.

1026
01:28:47,230 --> 01:28:49,390
These things are out there.

1027
01:28:50,930 --> 01:28:57,470
We've heard from our local police that this have been useful in doing their work.

1028
01:28:59,110 --> 01:29:00,010
And objectively,

1029
01:29:02,070 --> 01:29:07,010
what those cameras were doing out there was no different than having an

1030
01:29:07,010 --> 01:29:17,730
officer in the squad car, we're looking for a license plate, it's technology,

1031
01:29:20,210 --> 01:29:20,990
it's a different

1032
01:29:20,990 --> 01:29:21,590
means

1033
01:29:24,180 --> 01:29:34,840
what I'm disturbed by is the fear that has been expressed

1034
01:29:36,890 --> 01:29:42,090
so dramatically that we

1035
01:29:43,210 --> 01:29:52,850
as a nation, as a culture, are falling into what might be called a surveillance state,

1036
01:29:52,850 --> 01:29:56,350
It's been termed that, that...

1037
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:17,560
Foundly distrustful of each other and of our government that fear has been fostered by the chaos

1038
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:37,930
we've seen, fostered by federal agencies that has created a profound distrust in authority and law enforcement

1039
01:30:37,930 --> 01:30:38,890
in particular.

1040
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:50,120
And I'm, that's what disturbs me about this. This is the, the focus that this

1041
01:30:50,120 --> 01:31:02,900
cause. What would have been, I dare say, a decade ago, 15 years ago, a case of local

1042
01:31:02,900 --> 01:31:12,760
vandalism has turned into a national issue. And that's not because of licensed plate

1043
01:31:13,580 --> 01:31:27,140
It covers a real change in our cultural attitudes and the way we feel about each other and our government and that's what's got to change.

1044
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:28,400
Thanks, Jerome.

1045
01:31:29,580 --> 01:31:30,120
Any other comments?

1046
01:31:30,740 --> 01:31:31,340
Questions or discussion?

1047
01:31:32,440 --> 01:31:32,960
Hearing none?

1048
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:33,760
All those in favour?

1049
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:34,620
Say aye.

1050
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:36,020
Opposed?

1051
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:37,400
Motion passes?

1052
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:44,580
Item 3.7 is the city of one-on-one legal debt limit update.

1053
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:46,580
You know, the council received a father report.

1054
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:49,060
Motion from Steve, second from Steve.

1055
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,440
Council will wait for Brad to get the presentation up.

1056
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:11,460
I think

1057
01:32:22,250 --> 01:32:27,570
it's a good segue into the presentation.

1058
01:32:27,890 --> 01:32:30,770
We talk about public trust.

1059
01:32:31,290 --> 01:32:36,350
We want to make sure that we come back to the public and

1060
01:32:36,350 --> 01:32:41,810
and describe what the city of Illinois's legal

1061
01:32:41,810 --> 01:32:46,350
death limit is and how we've arrived at this point.

1062
01:32:47,050 --> 01:32:51,850
Remember on July 6th, I presented this slide to the city of

1063
01:32:51,850 --> 01:32:56,190
Illinois, this slide was produced and provided to the city of

1064
01:32:56,190 --> 01:32:58,950
Illinois by our financial advisors Baker Tilly.

1065
01:32:59,610 --> 01:33:03,730
They could Tilly use this exact slide in their presentation in

1066
01:33:03,730 --> 01:33:09,270
January of 2026, to describe the city's legal debt limit,

1067
01:33:11,590 --> 01:33:14,730
which in this slide, which is

1068
01:33:14,730 --> 01:33:23,650
incorrect, showed that the city's legal debt limit was 105 million with 4.9 million

1069
01:33:23,650 --> 01:33:31,130
outstanding, which left us a capacity of just over 100 million. During the July 6 presentation,

1070
01:33:31,130 --> 01:33:34,190
I showed four slides that looked something like this.

1071
01:33:34,350 --> 01:33:37,470
I indicated that the city has provided by Baker Tilley.

1072
01:33:38,010 --> 01:33:42,010
At the city had a legal debt capacity of 105 million.

1073
01:33:42,190 --> 01:33:47,010
She'll be slides in how projects that the city is at least

1074
01:33:47,010 --> 01:33:51,550
considering or undertaking impact that debt capacity.

1075
01:33:54,430 --> 01:33:56,570
That number was incorrect.

1076
01:33:56,570 --> 01:34:00,890
The number that Baker Tilley provided is wrong.

1077
01:34:01,810 --> 01:34:04,790
And this is the statement from Baker Tilley.

1078
01:34:05,710 --> 01:34:09,450
Baker Tilley municipal advisors LLC Baker Tilley has identified

1079
01:34:09,450 --> 01:34:12,310
the discrepancy and the information previously provided

1080
01:34:12,310 --> 01:34:15,110
to the city of Winona, Minnesota related to the calculation

1081
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:16,950
of the city's legal debt limit.

1082
01:34:17,690 --> 01:34:20,150
Upon further review, it was determined that the debt limit

1083
01:34:20,150 --> 01:34:23,830
calculation was based on incorrect estimated market value.

1084
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:29,390
We sincerely apologize for the oversight and any confusion that may have caused the correct

1085
01:34:29,390 --> 01:34:33,990
calculation that they provided to the city, make or till we appreciate the opportunity

1086
01:34:33,990 --> 01:34:38,470
to correct the record and remain committed to providing the city of Winona and accurate

1087
01:34:38,470 --> 01:34:40,590
and reliable information.

1088
01:34:43,820 --> 01:34:48,300
So we, that night on July 6th there were several comments about where we get the legal

1089
01:34:48,300 --> 01:34:54,420
that limit from Bakertilly has shown two calculations, and this is the corrected amount.

1090
01:34:55,420 --> 01:35:00,560
The items in red is what I'd like us to focus on, I guess, starting from the bottom

1091
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:05,580
up, because this is as of August 11th, 2026.

1092
01:35:05,740 --> 01:35:11,360
This number really changes on a regular basis, and there's a lot of factors that go into

1093
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:11,540
that.

1094
01:35:11,540 --> 01:35:13,040
That's why the date is important.

1095
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:16,520
And the source is the Minnesota Department of Revenue.

1096
01:35:17,740 --> 01:35:24,920
The proposed going back from the top down, proposed pay 2026, estimated market value was 2.5

1097
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:32,720
billion, illegal debt limit is 3% which means that legal debt limit for the city is 77.5

1098
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:33,680
million dollars.

1099
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:39,060
If you subtract the debt that's subject to that limit, you'll notice it's less than 4.9

1100
01:35:39,060 --> 01:35:41,040
that's because the city has made payments.

1101
01:35:41,740 --> 01:35:50,400
This year to our debt service, which leaves the remaining capacity based on the Minnesota Department of Revenue at 73.1 million.

1102
01:35:53,470 --> 01:35:57,050
Baker Tilly is also provided this correction, again working from the bottom up.

1103
01:35:57,530 --> 01:36:00,850
This is also taken on August 11th, 2026.

1104
01:36:00,990 --> 01:36:03,590
The source is the Winona County valuation worksheet.

1105
01:36:04,450 --> 01:36:08,270
This is not a certified amount, but it is a valuation worksheet from the county.

1106
01:36:08,270 --> 01:36:16,810
Again, the proposed estimated market value for 2026 is 2.5 billion, 3% is the legal debt

1107
01:36:16,810 --> 01:36:21,810
percentage that leaves a legal debt limit according to the county evaluation worksheet

1108
01:36:21,810 --> 01:36:25,190
of 77.4 million.

1109
01:36:25,330 --> 01:36:32,050
You subtract out our current debt remaining capacity is 72.9, so a couple hundred thousand dollars,

1110
01:36:32,830 --> 01:36:34,190
which worth thousand dollars is significant.

1111
01:36:34,190 --> 01:36:41,190
We went from 73.1 from the state of Minnesota to 72.9 from the county.

1112
01:36:42,050 --> 01:36:45,890
There's a lot of numbers on the sheet I don't expect you to read all of them.

1113
01:36:46,070 --> 01:36:50,970
This would be straight from the city of Winona's financial statement.

1114
01:36:51,010 --> 01:36:56,990
That's why in the bottom of the red is the city's valuation unordated for December 31, 2025.

1115
01:36:57,630 --> 01:37:00,390
at the end of 2020-25,

1116
01:37:05,470 --> 01:37:10,750
we had a legal debt limit of 66 million point six. Again, this

1117
01:37:10,750 --> 01:37:14,870
is done by the city, but I want to help with the North County. It is looked at, even though

1118
01:37:14,870 --> 01:37:18,850
it says unordered, anything that is in our financial statement is reviewed by Abdo,

1119
01:37:19,010 --> 01:37:25,950
we mentioned that in the presentation July 6th. There was anything that looked unusual in that

1120
01:37:25,950 --> 01:37:27,090
Remember they would have slagged.

1121
01:37:30,940 --> 01:37:57,140
So, if we rewind July 6, then we read, issue the charts or slides that we showed. We have changed the city of Winona's debt capacity to 73 million. In the first slide I showed the example is if the wastewater treatment plant at $33 million was taken out in debt and the 61 million for the public safety building in the Bayage.

1122
01:37:57,940 --> 01:38:04,960
And you added our current debt, which on July 6, was 4.9, with the $73 million debt capacity.

1123
01:38:05,260 --> 01:38:09,860
We'd be 25.9 million over our debt capacity.

1124
01:38:10,060 --> 01:38:11,780
We would not be allowed to do that.

1125
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:16,600
However, remember from the presentation, at the $33 million wastewater treatment,

1126
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:19,700
doesn't count toward our debt capacity because it is a revenue bond.

1127
01:38:20,940 --> 01:38:25,960
So we go with the theory that the city of Winona would take out debt at 61 million for

1128
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:31,240
a public safety building combined with our $4.9 million and current debt that would leave

1129
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:34,780
7.1 million in our total debt capacity.

1130
01:38:37,570 --> 01:38:44,110
We did also mention that if the city was to take the debt out through the port authority,

1131
01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:51,310
that the Port Authority debt taken out for the public safety building does not count against

1132
01:38:51,310 --> 01:38:59,610
the city of Winona's debt capacity, so if you take our current debt it's 4.9 this would

1133
01:38:59,610 --> 01:39:08,810
leave approximately 68.1 million in available debt for other projects. I would note that the

1134
01:39:08,810 --> 01:39:27,070
73 million does change, this will change before we bond, this number will come back, and the bonding decision is asked of counsel, so that number will change, but on a two correct Baker Tilly's assessment of our deck capacity.

1135
01:39:27,070 --> 01:39:35,730
I would also note this that this is not meant to be an epharius circumvention of the law.

1136
01:39:36,910 --> 01:39:41,890
We have a port authority, whether we have a referendum or not.

1137
01:39:42,750 --> 01:39:50,290
The council has the ability to issue debt through the port to keep the city of Loneona's legal debt limit low,

1138
01:39:50,990 --> 01:39:56,950
So that we can take out more debt for projects that may be warranted or for operations.

1139
01:39:58,030 --> 01:40:02,270
So I'll note this again, if the city has a referendum, as a hypothetical.

1140
01:40:03,210 --> 01:40:10,410
And the community says 52% say move forward, 48% say do not move forward.

1141
01:40:10,910 --> 01:40:12,530
And the council chooses to move forward.

1142
01:40:13,150 --> 01:40:19,830
You have a tool because we have a port of authority to move that debt and bond that debt through the port of authority.

1143
01:40:19,830 --> 01:40:24,090
So it doesn't count against the city's legal debt limit.

1144
01:40:24,870 --> 01:40:28,090
But as was mentioned tonight by a member of the public that came to public comment,

1145
01:40:28,650 --> 01:40:33,370
the heart of the issue aside from debt capacity is the cost of the buildings.

1146
01:40:34,030 --> 01:40:37,750
Either way, whether you take this debt out through the Port Authority or the city,

1147
01:40:37,870 --> 01:40:41,710
you have to consider whether or not you want to take out that much debt.

1148
01:40:42,090 --> 01:40:43,130
That is the issue.

1149
01:40:43,810 --> 01:40:45,670
Taxpayers pay it back.

1150
01:40:45,670 --> 01:40:52,690
Pate back either through attacks, levy, or if you choose through utility fees, through franchise fees,

1151
01:40:52,990 --> 01:40:55,030
how are that, how are that may be?

1152
01:40:55,390 --> 01:41:00,130
We're just simply saying that there is a tool, because we are one of those unique communities

1153
01:41:00,130 --> 01:41:03,230
that has a port of authority to take that out.

1154
01:41:07,380 --> 01:41:08,180
Any questions, comments?

1155
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:10,160
I'd be happy to entertain them.

1156
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:11,000
Sam?

1157
01:41:11,380 --> 01:41:12,860
Well, then I'll come down with you.

1158
01:41:13,260 --> 01:41:14,180
I'm sticking up first.

1159
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:15,140
Okay, see.

1160
01:41:17,730 --> 01:41:18,990
Thank you for the explanation.

1161
01:41:18,990 --> 01:41:21,590
I am really disappointed with this happened.

1162
01:41:22,150 --> 01:41:24,230
I can't believe it.

1163
01:41:24,670 --> 01:41:27,110
I understand where we've got a new relationship with the Baker Tilley.

1164
01:41:28,150 --> 01:41:34,570
We were promised that they were competent and new what they were doing.

1165
01:41:34,710 --> 01:41:37,510
And I understand numbers.

1166
01:41:37,730 --> 01:41:39,750
I understand business.

1167
01:41:40,030 --> 01:41:42,570
I've worked with corporations that have made errors.

1168
01:41:43,670 --> 01:41:43,930
But wow.

1169
01:41:44,970 --> 01:41:47,930
This, this, we really rely on these numbers.

1170
01:41:47,930 --> 01:41:56,390
we took presentations. We were making decisions on these numbers. I'm less than impressed. I appreciate the

1171
01:41:56,390 --> 01:42:04,240
apology. Fine. But not impressed with what happened.

1172
01:42:07,020 --> 01:42:08,120
And I'll accept their apology,

1173
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:12,720
but not impressed. Thanks.

1174
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:14,040
Thanks, Steve.

1175
01:42:14,900 --> 01:42:15,360
Do you want to go then?

1176
01:42:15,660 --> 01:42:15,800
Yeah.

1177
01:42:16,980 --> 01:42:20,680
To echo Councillor Young, this is an embarrassing oversight by Baker Tilly.

1178
01:42:22,620 --> 01:42:33,100
Using our entire estimated market value instead of taxable parcels, only is not only clearly outlined in the state staff to you for a financial advisor who primarily

1179
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:39,900
advises on dead service, this is an embarrassing oversight. I also want to clarify

1180
01:42:39,900 --> 01:42:44,980
for the public that table 20 that was referenced in the City Managers presentation

1181
01:42:44,980 --> 01:42:50,240
also does not have the correct figure it uses assessed value instead of taxable

1182
01:42:50,240 --> 01:43:02,340
parcel EMV. I've brought this up before. I am upset about this discrepancy. I'm glad

1183
01:43:02,340 --> 01:43:08,560
we found a resolution to this billion dollar error. But unfortunately, it was the most concerning

1184
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:13,380
resolution that we could have found. Effectively, our financial advisors overinflated

1185
01:43:13,380 --> 01:43:18,920
our income is a city by a billion dollars. To put this into a household context, if any

1186
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:25,520
of us trying to get a house, trying to get a mortgage. And we overinflate our mortgage by $100,000

1187
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:31,820
to make sure that we get the loan. First of all, could we actually afford that house?

1188
01:43:31,820 --> 01:43:34,480
And second, is not mortgage fraud.

1189
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:36,940
This is a huge error.

1190
01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:42,040
An error so big that it should give all of us pause.

1191
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:46,960
If these numbers are off, what other numbers could be off?

1192
01:43:47,440 --> 01:43:49,140
What else is wrong?

1193
01:43:49,300 --> 01:43:50,940
What else are we missing?

1194
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:57,380
We owe it to those we serve and represent to wait and hear out the county,

1195
01:43:57,380 --> 01:44:02,440
especially in the face of a billion dollar error.

1196
01:44:03,740 --> 01:44:09,120
We all, as city of Winona Taxpayers, are paying for the county's LEC renovation study.

1197
01:44:09,580 --> 01:44:14,300
And we owe it to each other to wait and see what they find.

1198
01:44:14,740 --> 01:44:21,200
We have just learned that people that we trust to give us accurate information didn't.

1199
01:44:22,440 --> 01:44:26,180
With this much doubt in our process, it's essential.

1200
01:44:27,380 --> 01:44:28,880
that we hear another opinion.

1201
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:33,540
I know that police and fire both need improved facilities.

1202
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:38,360
No one at this table is doubting that police and fire

1203
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:39,600
can need improved facilities.

1204
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:42,040
We have all walked through the facilities.

1205
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:46,900
We understand how desperately we need renovations.

1206
01:44:48,220 --> 01:44:51,740
And I want to remind everyone that the current proposal on the table

1207
01:44:51,740 --> 01:44:56,080
is not the only way that we get police and fire what we need.

1208
01:44:56,480 --> 01:44:57,100
and as well.

1209
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:08,320
Way, fiscally responsible. Thank you. Thanks. Other comments? Questions? Discussion?

1210
01:45:11,620 --> 01:45:27,860
Okay. Yeah, I'm building dollars with a B. That's, that's, that's a class here. And then, and as the other council person said, that's disappointing to say the least.

1211
01:45:29,820 --> 01:45:39,060
I think at this point, it's also, we're at a point where we need to probably press the pause

1212
01:45:39,060 --> 01:45:39,600
button.

1213
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:44,920
I think it's something we need to contemplate between now and the next meeting when we're

1214
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:47,580
scheduled to get an option to buy property.

1215
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:53,200
I think it's a good point and time to think about this.

1216
01:45:53,200 --> 01:46:16,520
So, with this debt limit now more accurately appraised, even if we can avoid the limits by moving things through a port authority, I think that defeats the purpose of why there is debt limits and the state issues these.

1217
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:23,560
The idea is so you don't get yourself in trouble because regardless of whether the debt goes

1218
01:46:24,140 --> 01:46:28,620
through the county or excuse me whether the debt goes through the port authority or whether

1219
01:46:28,620 --> 01:46:33,560
the debt goes directly through the city, it's the same people that have to pay the debt.

1220
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:41,520
So, you know, to me that's really an argument in semantics because the debt is still incurred

1221
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:50,420
whether it fits the profile of the limit and I, to me, I'll add in the, the, the water treatment debt that we have to repay.

1222
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:52,880
We still have to repay it.

1223
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:58,860
And so it really becomes a, it becomes a move point where we can move it or not.

1224
01:46:59,140 --> 01:47:01,780
The point, the question is, is can we afford it?

1225
01:47:01,940 --> 01:47:03,840
And I don't think we've determined that.

1226
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:05,660
I would agree.

1227
01:47:06,180 --> 01:47:09,580
I think from all the people that I have heard from in the community,

1228
01:47:09,580 --> 01:47:18,480
I am hearing nothing but positive, I am hearing no negatives towards doing something for police and fire.

1229
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:21,840
I think the community recognizes that something needs to be done.

1230
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:28,700
But what the community is also asking for is what are the options, and they're asking for a voice.

1231
01:47:29,420 --> 01:47:39,560
Whether we do a series of public meetings, whether we do a referendum, there is no way that we can bond this much money without getting some public information.

1232
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:47,880
direct public opinion. It's just not good government if we don't. And so I understand there's

1233
01:47:47,880 --> 01:47:53,240
you know, that's something that we need to figure out, but this is the point to do so.

1234
01:47:53,720 --> 01:48:00,540
The county voted five nothing, which is a rare occurrence over at the county, to support

1235
01:48:00,540 --> 01:48:08,100
the study that included the police department with the sheriff department. And so I think

1236
01:48:08,100 --> 01:48:14,380
It is the minimum to wait to hear what that is to see if that is something that we can utilize.

1237
01:48:15,780 --> 01:48:20,760
I think we also need to go back and take a look at what are other options, and there aren't a lot.

1238
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:33,060
There's nothing that anybody has purposely overlooked, but I think we need to reassess and see if there's a different way that we can do this and come up with a couple of options.

1239
01:48:33,060 --> 01:48:40,880
And the key point is get public opinion on those options so that we can go forward as a

1240
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:47,720
commitment with the community behind us because I don't want to be distracted by trying to

1241
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:52,900
push something through that is very expensive that the community has not been able to weigh

1242
01:48:52,900 --> 01:48:53,500
in on.

1243
01:48:53,540 --> 01:48:59,740
I think you set yourself up to get way laid down the road by again, not that people aren't

1244
01:48:59,740 --> 01:49:02,920
supportive, but they haven't had a voice.

1245
01:49:03,640 --> 01:49:06,380
And I think that's the dangerous thing to try to do,

1246
01:49:06,700 --> 01:49:07,280
plain and simple.

1247
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:10,460
So I hope that we can take some time

1248
01:49:10,460 --> 01:49:12,520
between now and the next meeting to consider

1249
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:16,200
how and what ways could we get public opinion

1250
01:49:17,100 --> 01:49:19,980
on the options that are available to us?

1251
01:49:20,340 --> 01:49:23,660
And we're going to need to flesh out those options.

1252
01:49:24,440 --> 01:49:26,680
One of them is the one we have in front of us.

1253
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:28,980
And collectively, if the community comes back

1254
01:49:28,980 --> 01:49:34,860
says, hey, of the ones that you pointed out, this is the best one, right, 100% I'll be

1255
01:49:34,860 --> 01:49:35,800
behind it.

1256
01:49:36,020 --> 01:49:43,120
But without public opinion and having an opportunity to weigh in, it's almost impossible

1257
01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:46,880
to go forward with that in my mind, for me, along.

1258
01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:52,340
So that's, I think, probably enough, so we'll try to get out here before 10 tonight.

1259
01:49:52,580 --> 01:49:52,900
Thank you.

1260
01:49:52,900 --> 01:49:56,000
Thanks, Jeff. Any other comments? Questions?

1261
01:49:57,020 --> 01:50:03,880
Question? Hearing none. All those in favour? Say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passives?

1262
01:50:05,980 --> 01:50:10,500
Second, there are unfinished business. Item 4.1 is the contract award for the

1263
01:50:10,500 --> 01:50:14,780
2026 Huff Street Waterman Crossing. The Council I doubt the resolution.

1264
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:19,020
Second. Motion from Steve, second from Sam, any discussion?

1265
01:50:21,440 --> 01:50:24,120
Hearing none. All those in favour? Say aye. Aye.

1266
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:34,500
I didn't forward point two is the contract award for the 2026 lead service line project because we'd have the resolution.

1267
01:50:35,180 --> 01:50:38,060
Second motion from Steve second from Sam any discussion.

1268
01:50:38,980 --> 01:50:39,620
George.

1269
01:50:40,360 --> 01:50:42,560
We're okay with this little bid Brian.

1270
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:53,240
We did look into precision and their references are stellar.

1271
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:58,100
They did 1250 of these in Minneapolis, so they've got plenty of experience.

1272
01:50:58,100 --> 01:51:04,600
pretty confident that they'll do a good job. Okay, and how long will it take them? What all these be done this year yet?

1273
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:11,180
Depending on whether or not all the pens on when they can start and everything else

1274
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:17,740
we don't want to let them really get them broken up and then not be able to look at black toughness

1275
01:51:17,740 --> 01:51:19,540
so that's going to be one of the major factors

1276
01:51:21,220 --> 01:51:28,040
The completion date isn't until next spring so we factor to that end just in case they can't get it done

1277
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:32,220
Thank you. Thanks, President.

1278
01:51:33,200 --> 01:51:33,760
Any other comments?

1279
01:51:34,180 --> 01:51:34,880
Questions or discussion?

1280
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:38,800
Hearing none? All those in favor say aye?

1281
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:41,860
Opposed? Motion passes?

1282
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:44,680
Item 4.3.

1283
01:51:50,230 --> 01:51:51,390
The council is your request.

1284
01:51:51,550 --> 01:51:51,950
Second?

1285
01:51:52,530 --> 01:51:55,510
Motion from Steve Second from Jerome on that one and

1286
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:57,170
we do other presentation from staff.

1287
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:06,760
Mayor and Council.

1288
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:08,400
I'm going to give a brief overview tonight

1289
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:11,680
at the new fixed-face operator agreement for the

1290
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:12,860
Winona Municipal Airport.

1291
01:52:12,860 --> 01:52:19,020
As council may recall, the city issued an RFP for FBO of services in January, proposals were

1292
01:52:19,020 --> 01:52:24,380
due February 10th and on March 2nd, council unanimously selected Hartley and Aviation as

1293
01:52:24,380 --> 01:52:26,980
a successful proposal and directed staff.

1294
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:37,000
And Heartland Aviation has adopted the business name River City Aviation, which is the name they will operate under here in Winona.

1295
01:52:38,380 --> 01:52:46,320
River City Aviation will officially take over as the primary fixed face operator at the Winona Municipal Airport, beginning May 1, 2027.

1296
01:52:48,730 --> 01:52:54,790
One of the major goals during this negotiation was to update and simplify the city's contractual relationship with the FBO.

1297
01:52:54,790 --> 01:53:02,890
The previous FVO operated under five separate agreements with the city and some of those agreements were nearly 40 years old.

1298
01:53:03,210 --> 01:53:11,910
Rather than simply updating each of those individual agreements, staff felt this is a good opportunity to take a comprehensive look at the relationship between the city and the FVO.

1299
01:53:12,150 --> 01:53:15,070
And make sure the agreement reflects how the airport operates today.

1300
01:53:15,770 --> 01:53:23,610
The result is one modernized comprehensive lease and services agreement that consolidates the previous agreements and more clearly defines the responsibilities

1301
01:53:23,610 --> 01:53:27,050
about the city and the River City Aviation.

1302
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:31,840
There are several key terms of the agreement that I need to highlight.

1303
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:33,820
The initial term is five years.

1304
01:53:34,060 --> 01:53:39,040
It's begins on May 1st, 2027, and running through April 30th, 2032.

1305
01:53:39,700 --> 01:53:43,080
There are then three additional five year renewal terms available.

1306
01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:47,740
River City Aviation will pay the city $46,000 annually

1307
01:53:47,740 --> 01:53:49,840
with a 3% annual increase.

1308
01:53:50,460 --> 01:53:53,340
Those payments will be made in two installments each year.

1309
01:53:53,340 --> 01:53:59,640
The city would also receive a few fuel fee of 10 cents per gallon, which will be paid monthly.

1310
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:07,220
Another change involves the tea hangers. Under the new agreement, River City Aviation will manage all five of the tea hangers,

1311
01:54:07,540 --> 01:54:11,800
rather than having management responsibilities divided between the city and the FBO.

1312
01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:15,680
Currently, the FBO manages two and the city manages three.

1313
01:54:18,840 --> 01:54:23,440
This slide gives an overview of the services River City Aviation will be responsible for providing

1314
01:54:23,440 --> 01:54:29,920
The core FBO services include aviation fuel sales, rampant apron services, aircraft parking,

1315
01:54:30,540 --> 01:54:34,260
storage tie-down services, and pilot and customer services.

1316
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:36,900
Aircraft maintenance may also be provided.

1317
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:42,900
Revisitiation will also assist responsibilities for the operation of the airport.

1318
01:54:43,060 --> 01:54:49,000
Those include providing 24-7 colon service, helping with conducting a runway inspections,

1319
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:55,140
response, responding to hazards if there are any coordinating—cording not, kind of thing

1320
01:54:55,140 --> 01:55:01,660
is called not to measure an OTA correct me, Brian, Phillipsfeld. When necessarily, when

1321
01:55:01,660 --> 01:55:07,700
necessary monitoring runway lighting and advising pilots, it feels conditions, they will

1322
01:55:07,700 --> 01:55:12,540
also be responsible for the general upkeep and day-to-day operation of the least areas.

1323
01:55:13,820 --> 01:55:17,260
The agreement includes additional reporting requirements as well.

1324
01:55:17,500 --> 01:55:24,440
Reversity aviation will provide an annual report regarding airport conditions and activities as well as an annual presentation to the council.

1325
01:55:25,860 --> 01:55:28,200
Maintenance and repair responsibilities.

1326
01:55:28,440 --> 01:55:36,020
One area where we spent quite a bit of time during negotiations was clearly defining maintenance and repair responsibilities.

1327
01:55:36,020 --> 01:55:41,700
Under the agreement, River City Aviation is generally responsible for the day-to-day

1328
01:55:41,700 --> 01:55:44,040
upkeep of the areas it occupies.

1329
01:55:44,660 --> 01:55:49,140
That includes such things as cleaning, cleaning supplies, replacing light bulbs, filters,

1330
01:55:49,900 --> 01:55:54,480
addressing minor leaks, snow and ice removal around doorways, sidewalks and pedestrian

1331
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:55,100
areas.

1332
01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:59,000
They are also responsible for damage caused by the FEO.

1333
01:55:59,120 --> 01:56:02,960
It's employees, tenants from the tea hangers, things like that.

1334
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:08,520
The city is responsible for maintenance and repairs of the city owned buildings and assets.

1335
01:56:09,140 --> 01:56:13,960
This includes roofs, exterior walls, doors and windows, plumbing,

1336
01:56:14,540 --> 01:56:17,980
HVAC, electrical and fire systems, and other repairs.

1337
01:56:19,380 --> 01:56:23,660
The city will also continue to be responsible for airports, snow-plowing,

1338
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:26,720
and maintenance of the city owned fuel facility.

1339
01:56:27,300 --> 01:56:32,340
The intent here was to establish a much clearer division between the FBO's responsibility for

1340
01:56:32,340 --> 01:56:36,720
every gate upkeep and the city's responsibility as the owner of the building's.

1341
01:56:39,390 --> 01:56:44,470
While the city is taking responsibility for building maintenance and repairs, it is important

1342
01:56:44,470 --> 01:56:48,570
to point out that those obligations are tied to the annual budget approved by the city council.

1343
01:56:49,470 --> 01:56:58,450
Before the city's annual budget process, river city aviation and conjunction with the city

1344
01:56:58,450 --> 01:57:03,630
needs will then come to the city's normal budget process, and ultimately, council will determine

1345
01:57:03,630 --> 01:57:07,830
how much funding is allocated for airport maintenance and repairs each year.

1346
01:57:08,630 --> 01:57:12,350
If a repair or replacement comes up during the year, that was not included in that

1347
01:57:12,350 --> 01:57:17,730
approved budget, that expenditure would require separate council approval.

1348
01:57:19,290 --> 01:57:23,790
So, while the agreement identifies the city's responsibilities, it also maintains council's

1349
01:57:23,790 --> 01:57:27,830
authority over the amount of city funding that is committed to those repairs each year.

1350
01:57:29,850 --> 01:57:36,610
Lastly, another important provision of this agreement is a facility assessment within 30 days of the agreement's effective date.

1351
01:57:36,930 --> 01:57:40,910
The city engineer and building official will begin evaluating the lease premises.

1352
01:57:41,650 --> 01:57:49,190
The evaluation may include physical inspections and other studies or investigations of the building's structural conditions, environmental conditions,

1353
01:57:49,850 --> 01:57:52,750
and other issues that may need to be addressed out there.

1354
01:57:52,750 --> 01:58:00,090
A written report will then be prepared that identifies that work that is needed, estimated cost, and anticipated timing.

1355
01:58:00,870 --> 01:58:07,450
That report will then be provided to the city manager and river city aviation within 90 days of the agreement's effective date.

1356
01:58:08,410 --> 01:58:14,610
The purpose of this assessment is to really give the city and river city aviation clear understanding of the conditions of the facilities

1357
01:58:14,610 --> 01:58:21,210
and what work may need to occur before and after River City Aviation takes over on May 1st,

1358
01:58:21,330 --> 01:58:21,930
2027.

1359
01:58:24,710 --> 01:58:29,850
Finally, the agreement includes a provision that allows both parties to revisit the agreement

1360
01:58:29,850 --> 01:58:30,610
in the future.

1361
01:58:31,150 --> 01:58:36,250
The getting May 1st, 2031, either the city or River City Aviation, can request that the

1362
01:58:36,250 --> 01:58:41,030
agreement be reviewed and renegotiated by providing 30 days written notice.

1363
01:58:41,790 --> 01:58:45,850
The agreement can also be reviewed at any time if significant capital increments to the

1364
01:58:45,850 --> 01:58:48,170
report facilities are proposed or completed.

1365
01:58:49,190 --> 01:58:54,310
If either party request, renegotiate, renegotiation, the city, and river city aviation

1366
01:58:54,310 --> 01:58:58,190
have 180 days to renegotiate any proposed amendments.

1367
01:59:00,310 --> 01:59:04,010
If the parties cannot agree on changes, the existing agreement does not automatically

1368
01:59:04,010 --> 01:59:04,930
terminate.

1369
01:59:04,930 --> 01:59:10,310
It simply remains in effect under its existing renewal, termination and default provisions.

1370
01:59:11,010 --> 01:59:15,570
This gives both parties an opportunity to revisit the agreement as airport operations

1371
01:59:15,570 --> 01:59:20,430
and facility needs change without requiring that the entire agreement being negotiated

1372
01:59:20,430 --> 01:59:22,770
really negotiated every single time.

1373
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:26,240
With that?

1374
01:59:27,340 --> 01:59:27,760
Any questions?

1375
01:59:28,780 --> 01:59:29,620
Does anybody have any questions?

1376
01:59:33,550 --> 01:59:33,690
No.

1377
01:59:34,650 --> 01:59:35,510
All right.

1378
01:59:35,710 --> 01:59:35,930
Same.

1379
01:59:36,450 --> 01:59:37,030
Go ahead, Jill.

1380
01:59:38,410 --> 01:59:48,590
Could we go back into the presentation to the third slide where it outlined the annual rent and fuel payments?

1381
01:59:48,590 --> 01:59:55,250
And could you, if you are able, I think it was back a couple of some more slides.

1382
02:00:00,460 --> 02:00:09,300
What was the rent prior to this? And what was our fuel payment prior to this?

1383
02:00:10,260 --> 02:00:15,700
So Mayor and console, before we were, I think believe we were accepting four cents per gallon for the fuel.

1384
02:00:15,980 --> 02:00:17,640
So this is an, obviously, an inclusion.

1385
02:00:18,540 --> 02:00:24,320
And then the, the annual rent is a little bit harder to compare apples to apples.

1386
02:00:25,140 --> 02:00:32,340
Before we were collecting rent solely on the administrative buildings, and we were ourselves

1387
02:00:32,340 --> 02:00:34,200
renting out three of the tea hangers.

1388
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:40,520
The FEO had, he was paying a very small fee for the other two hangers, and then he

1389
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:43,480
entered, you know, rented those out and kept that income.

1390
02:00:44,420 --> 02:00:46,940
Combined total, I think it was about $7,500.

1391
02:00:48,260 --> 02:00:51,520
Okay, however, that you have to remember that the city was renting out two of the

1392
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:57,060
and keeping that income. So, it's pretty comparable. I think when you added all up, is

1393
02:00:57,060 --> 02:01:01,700
if everything is at max capacity, this would be very similar. It's just that the city

1394
02:01:01,700 --> 02:01:05,920
won't be responsible for renting those out, trying to collect those payments themselves. We

1395
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:12,120
would just give the money twice a year. So, if I'm hearing it right, our annual rent is about the

1396
02:01:12,120 --> 02:01:20,320
same. Correct. And then our fuel payments that come in monthly, we increase that by 150 percent.

1397
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:29,160
Correct. Wow. That is that is quite a change. Thank you for this renegotiation. Thanks

1398
02:01:29,160 --> 02:01:37,080
him. Any other comments? Questions? No. Thank you, Amy. Appreciate it. Hearing none. All those

1399
02:01:37,080 --> 02:01:45,660
in favor. Say aye. Aye. Aye. Motion pass. Under new business. Sorry, you make

1400
02:01:46,500 --> 02:01:52,720
I don't 5.1 is a request to set the date for the public hearing to consider the resolution

1401
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:55,680
to levy assessments for unpaid charges.

1402
02:01:55,720 --> 02:01:57,120
Do the council doubt the resolution?

1403
02:01:57,960 --> 02:01:58,480
Second.

1404
02:01:59,260 --> 02:02:01,500
Motion from Steve, second from George.

1405
02:02:02,320 --> 02:02:03,940
We do have Jessica here.

1406
02:02:04,780 --> 02:02:05,440
I mean, council.

1407
02:02:06,180 --> 02:02:11,660
This agenda item is to set the date for the public hearing on September 21st.

1408
02:02:11,660 --> 02:02:16,120
In preparation for the public hearing, I just wanted to give an overview of the process.

1409
02:02:16,780 --> 02:02:21,840
State statute allows for special assessments on unpaid water and sewer bills.

1410
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:33,440
Before assessing properties for unpaid water and sewer bills, water was shut off for doing clean accounts.

1411
02:02:35,960 --> 02:02:43,200
As of today there are at noon there were 627 properties on the list.

1412
02:02:43,620 --> 02:02:49,200
Many of those would have had water turned off due to non-payment.

1413
02:02:49,940 --> 02:03:01,300
The updated value of the assessment are 340,400 which is 22.6% of the estimated wastewater

1414
02:03:01,300 --> 02:03:07,480
bond payment, or 2.4% of a tax study,

1415
02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:15,240
payments can be made by homeowners in person over

1416
02:03:15,240 --> 02:03:21,760
the phone online and at our drop box. In the forms of cash, check credit and debit cards

1417
02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:29,260
and ACH. Utility bills and late notices are sent on a regular basis and have been sent

1418
02:03:29,260 --> 02:03:34,100
to everybody who is on this list throughout the year,

1419
02:03:34,240 --> 02:03:37,120
the city works with individuals who contact

1420
02:03:37,700 --> 02:03:41,760
the finance department wishing to make a payment plan.

1421
02:03:42,260 --> 02:03:47,620
Currently, there are seven properties that are on the payment plan.

1422
02:03:48,940 --> 02:03:52,540
Special assessments are the last step in the process to collect.

1423
02:03:54,580 --> 02:03:57,820
Statue also allows special assessments for code violations

1424
02:03:57,820 --> 02:04:05,380
listed in on the assessment list. This process starts with a complaint to the inspection

1425
02:04:05,380 --> 02:04:13,500
department. Notice our posted and mailed multiple inspections take place photos are taken

1426
02:04:13,500 --> 02:04:21,120
before and after. Contractors perform the work and build a city, the city then builds a

1427
02:04:21,120 --> 02:04:26,680
homeowner's plus and then administrative. Homeowners can contact the inspection department

1428
02:04:26,680 --> 02:04:33,140
not with questions and concerns, and again, special assessments are the last step in this process.

1429
02:04:35,400 --> 02:04:36,080
Thank you.

1430
02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:36,660
Thank you, Jessica.

1431
02:04:37,200 --> 02:04:37,580
Any questions?

1432
02:04:39,060 --> 02:04:40,600
Thank you for that overview.

1433
02:04:41,500 --> 02:04:47,420
In the future, I would appreciate if that overview was included in the agenda cover page so that

1434
02:04:47,420 --> 02:04:50,240
it's more easily accessible for the public and public record.

1435
02:04:50,840 --> 02:04:52,160
But it was a great opportunity.

1436
02:04:52,500 --> 02:04:53,580
Thank you very much.

1437
02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:55,460
Thanks, Ian.

1438
02:04:57,080 --> 02:05:02,540
Thanks for the overview just kind of I appreciate the city really tries to work with people

1439
02:05:02,540 --> 02:05:06,040
you know because everybody's in different you know has a different set of circumstances

1440
02:05:06,040 --> 02:05:13,280
and so I think it's important that you know we're trying and that a lot of this is the last resort

1441
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:18,600
after you know right things have been tried so I think it's important to know that we're accessible

1442
02:05:18,600 --> 02:05:20,640
and that will work with folks

1443
02:05:21,220 --> 02:05:29,900
who made, you know, for whatever reason be going through a hard time or having a difficulty in making payments for water in that type of thing.

1444
02:05:30,300 --> 02:05:31,600
So thank you.

1445
02:05:31,740 --> 02:05:32,660
Thanks Jeff.

1446
02:05:33,220 --> 02:05:34,500
Any other comments or questions?

1447
02:05:40,510 --> 02:05:46,870
Call out any specific properties, but I'm seeing some of these amounts at like $7.

1448
02:05:47,330 --> 02:05:48,510
How does that happen?

1449
02:05:49,010 --> 02:05:51,430
I'm no one gets a water bill for $7.

1450
02:05:53,070 --> 02:06:01,210
So, obviously, I believe seven dollars is the quarterly amount for the storm sewer charge,

1451
02:06:01,670 --> 02:06:10,550
the minimum charge, so they likely have the minimum or the unoutstanding storm sewer charge for one quarter.

1452
02:06:12,270 --> 02:06:16,750
So, they just didn't know that they had a bill because they weren't paying for a turn off their water.

1453
02:06:16,750 --> 02:06:23,990
Since it's only for one quarter, they likely know when they're just late making that the most recent order payment.

1454
02:06:26,190 --> 02:06:27,310
Thank you.

1455
02:06:27,450 --> 02:06:28,810
Any other questions for Jessica?

1456
02:06:29,730 --> 02:06:29,850
No.

1457
02:06:30,430 --> 02:06:30,950
Thanks, Jessica.

1458
02:06:32,290 --> 02:06:32,470
Okay.

1459
02:06:33,070 --> 02:06:33,650
All those in favor.

1460
02:06:33,990 --> 02:06:34,450
Say aye.

1461
02:06:35,490 --> 02:06:35,990
Opposed?

1462
02:06:36,850 --> 02:06:37,570
Motion passes.

1463
02:06:40,380 --> 02:06:44,160
Item 5.2 is the license agreement for the one-on-a-tourable.

1464
02:06:44,160 --> 02:06:47,540
It's a council to prove the likes to give an authorized administration to execute the same.

1465
02:06:47,620 --> 02:06:48,020
Exactly.

1466
02:06:48,700 --> 02:06:51,140
Motion from Steve, second from Sam, any discussion?

1467
02:06:52,380 --> 02:06:52,580
Jeff.

1468
02:06:54,320 --> 02:07:00,180
So, Patrick, in looking at this one, you know, I see that it was when I looked through it.

1469
02:07:00,440 --> 02:07:03,340
It's, you know, I think a three year agreement, if I'm not mistaken.

1470
02:07:03,600 --> 02:07:07,500
And I'm noticing that we're trying to be consistent, like the boat club,

1471
02:07:08,480 --> 02:07:10,660
and one of the other ones that came before us tonight,

1472
02:07:10,760 --> 02:07:14,140
they had a 3% increase in fees and what have you.

1473
02:07:14,140 --> 02:07:27,100
This one had a change in fee, but I didn't see that it was a three percent, so I guess I'm wondering is this pretty much in line with what we're trying to do with all of these as far as uniform and is it a three percent per year increase that's that's it.

1474
02:07:34,040 --> 02:07:43,440
Okay, I think it was just written differently. It just had a lump sum. Yeah, I didn't have that piece in there. So that's what drew my curiosity.

1475
02:07:44,260 --> 02:07:47,340
Okay, great. Thank you.

1476
02:07:47,340 --> 02:07:49,600
Thanks, Chef. Any other questions?

1477
02:07:52,850 --> 02:07:55,930
Random app? 4%.

1478
02:07:55,930 --> 02:07:59,130
Thank you. Any other countless questions?

1479
02:08:00,070 --> 02:08:03,650
No? Thank you, Patrick. Hearing none. All those in favour? Say aye.

1480
02:08:04,010 --> 02:08:06,590
Aye. Aye. A post? Motion passes.

1481
02:08:08,070 --> 02:08:12,570
Item 5.3 is the Mississippi Riverfront Trail Letter of No Objection.

1482
02:08:12,670 --> 02:08:13,970
Really? Kind of a superior quest.

1483
02:08:14,350 --> 02:08:14,670
Second.

1484
02:08:14,670 --> 02:08:22,290
motion from C, second from Cm, we have a presentation from staff.

1485
02:08:27,890 --> 02:08:30,250
Here in council wall Brad brings up the presentation.

1486
02:08:30,610 --> 02:08:39,310
Nick Larson was going to present tonight, but Nick had to leave work early today and

1487
02:08:41,740 --> 02:08:43,180
since Lucy is retired.

1488
02:08:45,380 --> 02:08:51,500
No offense to Brian deferring, I think I have been in the most

1489
02:08:51,500 --> 02:08:57,760
of Mississippi River Front Trail meetings and so if it sounds like I'm reading next presentation

1490
02:08:57,760 --> 02:09:04,740
it's because I am, certainly I have an understanding of the project, but here we go.

1491
02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:13,360
Mississippi River Front Trail is a project listed in the 2007-2045 Comprehensive Plan, along

1492
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:19,700
with the 2020 Downtown Strategic Plan, 2018 Comprehensive Park System Plan. River Front Trail

1493
02:09:19,700 --> 02:09:24,180
was rated as the highest influential project in the fight, but a subcommittee members who

1494
02:09:24,180 --> 02:09:28,920
worked on the influential project chapter of the city's current comprehensive plan.

1495
02:09:28,920 --> 02:09:34,080
City has been working on the River Front Trail for nearly 17 years and over looked

1496
02:09:34,080 --> 02:09:38,380
to aspect of this project as highlighting the businesses that line the River Front of

1497
02:09:38,380 --> 02:09:39,200
Mississippi River.

1498
02:09:39,200 --> 02:09:42,700
Mississippi River Front Trail will provide the opportunity for residents and visitors to enjoy

1499
02:09:42,700 --> 02:09:48,620
the vibrant beauty of the River and Bluffs and take in rich heritage of River Front

1500
02:09:48,620 --> 02:09:50,660
businesses when owner has.

1501
02:09:50,880 --> 02:09:53,400
The Mississippi River Front Trail will showcase the natural beauty of

1502
02:09:53,400 --> 02:09:56,360
Winona, the Academy of Literature, Future Development, to provide more

1503
02:09:56,360 --> 02:09:58,660
options for people who live work and play.

1504
02:10:09,250 --> 02:10:12,110
The history of Winona, of course, is we taught about as tied to the river.

1505
02:10:13,110 --> 02:10:16,290
Of course, we can tell that by this map, there's a lot of businesses along the

1506
02:10:16,290 --> 02:10:17,030
River Front.

1507
02:10:17,710 --> 02:10:21,850
The Port Authority has been working with WHOKS and bar engineering to engineer and

1508
02:10:21,850 --> 02:10:24,230
design phase one of the Mississippi River Front Trail.

1509
02:10:24,230 --> 02:10:31,990
Phase one of the Mississippi River Contrails is being designed as a ten-foot, multi-purpose, non-motorized trail with a bite of safe.

1510
02:10:32,370 --> 02:10:39,770
Accessible route along the Mississippi River from Lobby Park to Lions Park for residents to risk family students in our workforce to utilize and enjoy.

1511
02:10:40,750 --> 02:10:48,910
Phase one of the Mississippi River Contrails is designed to start under the Highway 43 in her state bridge, allowing access to the flyway trail, leading to Wisconsin,

1512
02:10:48,910 --> 02:10:54,690
than east through Levy Park along Rivers, the riverside of the flood wall by

1513
02:10:54,690 --> 02:10:59,130
base-state and on top of Levy across properties owned by U.S. Fish and Wildlife,

1514
02:11:00,210 --> 02:11:05,090
Andy Lose, at the end of Liberty Street, northern states power the Winona

1515
02:11:05,090 --> 02:11:09,730
Marina and RTP, and then we connect to Lion's Park.

1516
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:13,500
All the segments with the

1517
02:11:13,500 --> 02:11:18,260
exception the Winona Marina are designed directly on the bank of the Mississippi

1518
02:11:18,260 --> 02:11:24,480
river that went on the marina, the trail is designed to go inland and on the land side of the

1519
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:28,160
flood wall as depicted by the purple dots on the map.

1520
02:11:37,380 --> 02:11:39,140
The 60% design plans are ready to be

1521
02:11:39,140 --> 02:11:44,320
submitted to the Army Corps of Engineers for their section 408 review. The letter of no objection

1522
02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:49,340
is part of the submittal package. During the Army Corps of Engineers review, they will provide

1523
02:11:49,340 --> 02:11:54,440
input on the design, which will guide the final engineering and design of phase 1, the Mississippi

1524
02:11:54,440 --> 02:12:00,340
Riverfront Trail, Army Corps of Engineers review of 60% design plans could take up to seven

1525
02:12:00,340 --> 02:12:00,900
months.

1526
02:12:03,910 --> 02:12:10,710
So, the design next step, we're at 60% plans for the U.S. Corps of Engineers review, again

1527
02:12:10,710 --> 02:12:16,130
90% design plans for the Corps of Engineers review, we're estimating that 100% bid

1528
02:12:16,130 --> 02:12:21,790
documents that be ready by summer of 27, and commence construction summer fall of 27.

1529
02:12:21,790 --> 02:12:29,070
and we would like to do that sooner, if possible, that would be the goal that this review is done or completed earlier.

1530
02:12:30,230 --> 02:12:38,170
As a reminder, we have state funding. There's 2 million of bond funding and was appropriated to the city for construction of phase one of the Miss Zero Front Trail.

1531
02:12:38,630 --> 02:12:44,870
From Lubby Park to Alliance Park in 2020, the grant agreement was executed in December of 24.

1532
02:12:44,870 --> 02:12:49,910
The grant monies can only be used for construction, not design, or engineering.

1533
02:12:51,410 --> 02:12:55,150
We did receive an additional 5 million of bond funding that was appropriate to the city

1534
02:12:55,150 --> 02:13:00,490
for final design, engineering, and construction of a bridge to go between Chestnut and

1535
02:13:00,490 --> 02:13:02,870
Carremonous Streets in 2023.

1536
02:13:03,930 --> 02:13:08,630
The city requested a legislative language change to the $5 million appropriation spring of

1537
02:13:09,810 --> 02:13:13,950
The request was approved during the 2026 legislative session.

1538
02:13:14,230 --> 02:13:18,550
The request was to remove the bridge language and allow the monies to be used for a trail segment

1539
02:13:18,550 --> 02:13:22,090
to connect portions of the Mississippi or the front trail between Lubby and Lions Park.

1540
02:13:22,690 --> 02:13:29,290
Additionally, the request was to allow the use of any unspent monies from the $5 million appropriation

1541
02:13:29,290 --> 02:13:35,490
to extend the trail down river after Lubby Park to Lions Park portion is complete.

1542
02:13:37,190 --> 02:13:41,690
The amended legislative language still allows for the $5 million appropriation to be used for

1543
02:13:41,690 --> 02:13:46,630
final design engineering instruction, staff expects to bring the $5 million grant agreement

1544
02:13:46,630 --> 02:13:48,890
to a future council meeting for consideration.

1545
02:13:50,630 --> 02:13:55,030
City does need to enter into lease, or easement agreements with the property owners to use

1546
02:13:55,030 --> 02:13:55,950
the bond funding.

1547
02:13:56,450 --> 02:14:01,550
We do have easement security with base state, U.S. Fish on Loud Life, for two Kansas and

1548
02:14:01,550 --> 02:14:05,490
three Kansas 30 Liberty northern states power.

1549
02:14:05,650 --> 02:14:07,970
The easements that we're still seeking and needed

1550
02:14:07,970 --> 02:14:10,630
are with Non-Amarina and RTP.

1551
02:14:12,370 --> 02:14:15,750
So again, the map, again, is just to show the different segments

1552
02:14:15,750 --> 02:14:20,790
of phase one to show really where those easements are located.

1553
02:14:25,020 --> 02:14:28,560
This is just segment by segment I'll go through these pretty quick,

1554
02:14:28,740 --> 02:14:34,420
but this is starting at Levy Park going to Lyons Park,

1555
02:14:34,420 --> 02:14:36,800
The yellow depicts where phase one of the Mississippi River

1556
02:14:36,800 --> 02:14:38,740
response trail is designed to begin.

1557
02:14:39,680 --> 02:14:41,800
It will be on the river side of the Flood Wall

1558
02:14:41,800 --> 02:14:42,700
at Baystate.

1559
02:14:43,080 --> 02:14:46,120
The top photo is the view from Cal Framling Drive,

1560
02:14:46,140 --> 02:14:47,080
looking east.

1561
02:14:47,920 --> 02:14:50,700
The bottom photo is the view from the east end of the Flood Wall

1562
02:14:50,700 --> 02:14:53,400
at Baystate, looking back towards Levy Park

1563
02:14:53,400 --> 02:14:55,080
and Cal Framling Drive.

1564
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:09,620
Our front trail is being designed on the levy at base state. The photo shows a view looking down river from the east end of the flood wall at base state.

1565
02:15:11,990 --> 02:15:18,530
The red and green lines indicate where phase one of the misceivered front trail is being designed on the levy.

1566
02:15:18,690 --> 02:15:28,790
At the US Fish and Wildlife Properties at two Kansas on the left and three Kansas on the right. The photos from the bottom photo to the top.

1567
02:15:28,790 --> 02:15:35,310
Show the view looking down river across the levee at two Kansas and three Kansas towards 30 Liberty Street

1568
02:15:36,720 --> 02:15:41,480
Green line indicates where phase one of the misriver from trail is being designed on

1569
02:15:41,980 --> 02:15:48,240
The levee at 30 Liberty Street the bottom full show is the view looking down river from 30 Liberty Street

1570
02:15:48,920 --> 02:15:52,420
And the total shows the view looking down river from northern states power

1571
02:15:53,660 --> 02:15:59,460
The green and purple lines indicate where phase one of the misriver front trail is being designed on the levee at

1572
02:15:59,460 --> 02:16:04,400
or the state's power's property, the photo shows the view from northern state's power property

1573
02:16:04,400 --> 02:16:06,080
looking east toward the marina.

1574
02:16:10,230 --> 02:16:13,530
Again, the dotted purple line indicates the area where phase

1575
02:16:13,530 --> 02:16:19,850
one of the materials proposed to be at that one on the marina property, the segment of the

1576
02:16:19,850 --> 02:16:24,970
trails proposed to be accurate on the landslide of the flood wall and then connected to the trail

1577
02:16:24,970 --> 02:16:30,470
segment to the east highlighted in blue. The rendering depicts the layout of the trail from northern

1578
02:16:30,470 --> 02:16:35,330
state's power, tumor, one-on-one arena, and then on to RTP,

1579
02:16:39,310 --> 02:16:40,070
blue line indicates where

1580
02:16:40,070 --> 02:16:46,030
phase 1, the Mississippi of the frontrails being designed to go from one-on-one arena to

1581
02:16:46,030 --> 02:16:49,470
Miller-Waste Mills, then to Lyons Park.

1582
02:16:52,100 --> 02:16:53,960
Blue line indicates where phase 1 of the trail

1583
02:16:53,960 --> 02:16:59,420
is being designed from Miller-Waste Mills to Lyons Park. The east-end mark of phase 1 of

1584
02:16:59,420 --> 02:17:00,980
the Mississippi of the frontrails.

1585
02:17:03,610 --> 02:17:06,890
As noted in the 2018 comprehensive park system plan,

1586
02:17:06,890 --> 02:17:11,630
future segments that trail are envisioned to go along the levy to win on a knitting mills

1587
02:17:11,630 --> 02:17:16,510
and then traverse on city streets to the east and boat harbor, which point the trail would

1588
02:17:16,510 --> 02:17:24,090
go on to the levy again at Shives Creek, and eventually the Highway 1461, providing a connection

1589
02:17:24,090 --> 02:17:32,070
to additional recreational trails in the Mississippi River Trail or MRT. Now, you may be wondering

1590
02:17:32,070 --> 02:17:39,130
Why I took you through each segment is because the motion for you is to send this to

1591
02:17:40,050 --> 02:17:42,950
this letter of no objection to the core.

1592
02:17:42,970 --> 02:17:46,910
What we're asking and what the core wants the note in the city is that we have no objection

1593
02:17:46,910 --> 02:17:50,090
pointing a trail on the levee is basically what they're asking.

1594
02:17:51,030 --> 02:17:54,710
So we're required to show you where the trail is being designed to go.

1595
02:17:54,830 --> 02:17:56,550
That is the intent of the letter.

1596
02:17:58,630 --> 02:18:03,630
Put that in your questions, we can be happy to take that.

1597
02:18:04,550 --> 02:18:04,750
George?

1598
02:18:05,410 --> 02:18:10,190
I just want to thank Mike Chickenowski for his work on this.

1599
02:18:11,110 --> 02:18:15,970
For the authority, chairman, and he's been, this has been a project to his for years.

1600
02:18:15,990 --> 02:18:20,950
He's always been talking about, and even that event, he goes and he talks about it.

1601
02:18:20,950 --> 02:18:24,650
And the Chad, you were at the one where he was asking the group I made.

1602
02:18:24,950 --> 02:18:29,750
Come do you for some fun, so yeah, good work, Mike.

1603
02:18:32,550 --> 02:18:33,390
Any other comments?

1604
02:18:33,950 --> 02:18:35,170
Good all.

1605
02:18:36,030 --> 02:18:45,870
Um, I'd like to just clarify, and that last slide there, there was no trail on Sarnia.

1606
02:18:47,960 --> 02:18:49,920
We were talking about Sarnia all night.

1607
02:18:51,080 --> 02:18:52,360
I pulled out the bike we met.

1608
02:18:56,200 --> 02:19:06,460
So that is, that is our priority for what would you call it, connected micromobility.

1609
02:19:06,720 --> 02:19:08,340
I don't know how to turn it into transportation.

1610
02:19:09,360 --> 02:19:12,370
Can you bring that slide back up please?

1611
02:19:17,340 --> 02:19:18,220
Last slide please.

1612
02:19:18,500 --> 02:19:20,120
No, that is okay.

1613
02:19:20,120 --> 02:19:42,000
This comes from the 2018-19 comprehensive parks plan and it puts the priorities, the numbers in the numbers and letters are the priority for the city to create trail connections within the city of Winona.

1614
02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:44,200
So three A.

1615
02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:55,820
So this trail is going from Levy Park to Lyons Park. So it's completing

1616
02:19:55,820 --> 02:20:03,280
priority three A of the Park Comprehensive Parks Plan. Segment 2B is already

1617
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:05,020
completed with the flyway trail.

1618
02:20:07,640 --> 02:20:09,800
The Comprehensive Parks Plan says you should

1619
02:20:09,800 --> 02:20:18,340
connect, we should connect from Levy Park to Lake Lodge, and from Lake Lodge, other connections

1620
02:20:18,340 --> 02:20:20,360
to the MRT and the Bluffs diverse.

1621
02:20:23,290 --> 02:20:28,010
The Comprehensive Park Plan also says that three A should be continued further east, as I

1622
02:20:28,010 --> 02:20:35,450
mentioned in the presentation, to at some point, which is a heavy lift, connect to

1623
02:20:35,450 --> 02:20:48,770
The other priorities are internal trail systems with another large extension that goes out to Prairie Island in the 7B.

1624
02:20:49,510 --> 02:20:58,830
The intent through the comprehensive park plan was the community said we needed a continuous loop of trail through the city connecting to other park wreck resources.

1625
02:20:58,830 --> 02:21:00,730
Okay, thank you.

1626
02:21:00,970 --> 02:21:08,490
And the priorities are being started in order, at least so 1A, 2A, and now 1, 3, and so.

1627
02:21:09,770 --> 02:21:11,430
I just want to make note of that.

1628
02:21:11,470 --> 02:21:13,590
Notice how there's nothing else already out there.

1629
02:21:14,570 --> 02:21:15,050
You're right.

1630
02:21:15,430 --> 02:21:16,730
Just mentioning it.

1631
02:21:16,950 --> 02:21:17,150
All right.

1632
02:21:17,730 --> 02:21:18,350
Any other comments?

1633
02:21:18,510 --> 02:21:18,950
Questions?

1634
02:21:19,190 --> 02:21:19,430
Is this question?

1635
02:21:20,330 --> 02:21:20,850
Hearing none?

1636
02:21:21,030 --> 02:21:22,430
All those in favor say aye.

1637
02:21:23,650 --> 02:21:23,810
Opposed?

1638
02:21:24,590 --> 02:21:25,150
Motion classes.

1639
02:21:26,750 --> 02:21:28,210
Item 7 is console concerns.

1640
02:21:28,210 --> 02:21:35,190
Council Member Borgicowski. Thank you, Mayor. I will be very quickly here. I just have two things.

1641
02:21:35,750 --> 02:21:42,010
I was digging through some papers that I had and my father had newspaper collecting that he saved.

1642
02:21:42,770 --> 02:21:55,770
I came across one here from March of 1971. In 1971, I was a senior at Carter High School,

1643
02:21:56,630 --> 02:21:59,750
pushing for a graduation in the spring.

1644
02:22:00,570 --> 02:22:04,710
Council member Haima was a freshman in high school

1645
02:22:04,710 --> 02:22:07,890
and Councilman Jerome Christianson

1646
02:22:07,890 --> 02:22:11,730
would have been one year out of high school or two years.

1647
02:22:12,510 --> 02:22:12,790
One year.

1648
02:22:13,650 --> 02:22:17,350
And for everybody out there, the rest of our people here

1649
02:22:17,350 --> 02:22:19,130
at the table of my council colleagues,

1650
02:22:19,130 --> 02:22:21,250
they weren't even born yet.

1651
02:22:21,890 --> 02:22:24,410
So this was 1971,

1652
02:22:24,410 --> 02:22:27,090
including our manager. So, anyway...

1653
02:22:30,680 --> 02:22:38,480
1971. Jerome, you may remember, we had the issue of urban renewal. It was taking down the blocks on

1654
02:22:38,480 --> 02:22:48,520
2nd Street, 1, 2, 3, 4 blocks. I was working at Western gas station, 28 cents a gallon, $0.60 an hour, which was

1655
02:22:48,520 --> 02:22:59,420
good money. I couldn't spend it all. Anyway, the issue was there, and you know, you want to

1656
02:22:59,420 --> 02:23:04,360
a controversial issue for those that would happen to remember that.

1657
02:23:04,600 --> 02:23:09,140
Eight Alt Braimer at that time was the publisher of the one-on-a-daley news,

1658
02:23:09,740 --> 02:23:13,820
and he was always kind of taking the city council to task.

1659
02:23:14,820 --> 02:23:18,620
He was a reporter. Well, actually, he was the editor to big guy there,

1660
02:23:19,100 --> 02:23:21,760
but every now and even take city council to task.

1661
02:23:22,220 --> 02:23:23,820
Anyway, he wrote this article,

1662
02:23:23,820 --> 02:23:27,940
Council commended for renewal vote.

1663
02:23:29,200 --> 02:23:33,820
The City Council should be commended for their renewal vote.

1664
02:23:34,840 --> 02:23:38,000
Number, if you had two counts of that, is the right count.

1665
02:23:38,040 --> 02:23:43,500
First of all, the acknowledges that I got to get close with my eyes here.

1666
02:23:43,820 --> 02:23:48,720
First, for acknowledging the major renovation projects of this kind,

1667
02:23:48,720 --> 02:24:01,860
Our legitimate concrete concern of citizens and if they become controversial that the citizens should be involved in resolving these issues.

1668
02:24:02,980 --> 02:24:17,800
And number two simply just said that the council should be commended for taking the stand that the urban renewal vote should be given to let the entire city vote on this not just affected areas.

1669
02:24:17,800 --> 02:24:24,760
Now what they had to do then is they had to petition the state of Minnesota to get permission

1670
02:24:24,760 --> 02:24:29,740
to do a referendum, and of course there was no money involved just having permission

1671
02:24:29,740 --> 02:24:31,540
to do this project.

1672
02:24:32,860 --> 02:24:40,460
So go back to there and then also, he says that he hopes that the legislature approves

1673
02:24:40,460 --> 02:24:44,800
the bill and suggested that it's gestion by the council.

1674
02:24:44,800 --> 02:24:50,260
Now, that year, I don't know how that referendum went.

1675
02:24:51,340 --> 02:24:56,800
It was that year, I was 17 years old, and I really didn't care how it went.

1676
02:24:57,180 --> 02:24:59,020
It was no interest of mine.

1677
02:24:59,240 --> 02:25:04,460
I had my fancy sports car, and I could care less how the renewal vote went.

1678
02:25:04,860 --> 02:25:06,980
And I was 17 years.

1679
02:25:07,120 --> 02:25:12,980
I might have been 18 already, but this was of no interest to me, but different to course today.

1680
02:25:12,980 --> 02:25:18,600
And just on a sad note, I'd like to offer condolences to the family of Richard Karnith,

1681
02:25:18,760 --> 02:25:24,120
Captain Richard Karnith as we know him, he taught middle school, junior high school

1682
02:25:24,120 --> 02:25:29,800
than Winona for many years, and he followed the family tradition, his father and grandfather.

1683
02:25:30,320 --> 02:25:36,100
He became a riverboat captain, he piloted the Delta Queen, the American Queen,

1684
02:25:36,900 --> 02:25:39,480
and many other riverboats at the company had.

1685
02:25:39,480 --> 02:25:47,460
And his skill, the knowledge of the river, is definitely very, very strong.

1686
02:25:47,940 --> 02:25:51,440
He knew it from St. Louis, all the way to Minneapolis.

1687
02:25:52,200 --> 02:25:52,860
Thank you.

1688
02:25:53,060 --> 02:25:53,560
Thanks, George.

1689
02:25:53,880 --> 02:25:54,740
Appreciate it.

1690
02:25:54,900 --> 02:25:55,760
Councilmember Yelm.

1691
02:25:55,980 --> 02:25:57,760
In the interest of time.

1692
02:25:59,860 --> 02:26:00,500
Councilmember Haima?

1693
02:26:00,700 --> 02:26:03,180
I was going to read into the record, Warren Peace.

1694
02:26:05,580 --> 02:26:09,200
Just one thing, just to reiterate, we talked about it last time.

1695
02:26:09,200 --> 02:26:17,300
or maybe two times ago, I'm increasingly getting questions in regards to e-bikes motorized

1696
02:26:17,300 --> 02:26:22,900
vehicles on the trails and on sidewalks, and I think we were talking about researching

1697
02:26:22,900 --> 02:26:28,900
what is already on the books, and then perhaps having discussion as to what we feel is appropriate.

1698
02:26:29,360 --> 02:26:36,400
It was jarred by my by the comment or the presentation about the riverfront trail where it said

1699
02:26:36,400 --> 02:26:42,140
was for non-moralized vehicles. So that's what we might be to say, we still need to look

1700
02:26:42,140 --> 02:26:51,560
into that. Thank you. Thanks, Jerome. Yeah, congratulations to the Winona Municipal Band,

1701
02:26:52,580 --> 02:26:57,840
completing another summer season. They started out wet and finished up strong,

1702
02:26:57,840 --> 02:27:06,460
And a particular note that Frank and Ruth Burst joined the band in 1979.

1703
02:27:08,200 --> 02:27:22,260
That was when George would have been 25 and 25 and they finally closed their concert

1704
02:27:22,260 --> 02:27:31,060
cases this season. So thank you, Joe. Thank you, Frank. Thank you, Ruth. Ruth also tried to teach

1705
02:27:31,060 --> 02:27:39,780
my daughter Claire on that. And failed glorious, like it was a great season. Thanks for

1706
02:27:39,780 --> 02:27:43,560
them. Come to the recruiting for Ridge. Welcome back to students.

1707
02:27:43,560 --> 02:27:52,180
semester starts at WSU next Monday. So, a big warm welcome to all of our new and returning students.

1708
02:27:53,140 --> 02:27:57,440
Very good. Thanks, Sam. It comes from every day. Yeah, nothing tonight. Thank you.

1709
02:27:57,800 --> 02:27:58,580
Thank you.

1710
02:28:00,660 --> 02:28:06,600
Thanks. Under the consent agenda, we have six items. First is the approval of August 3,

1711
02:28:06,660 --> 02:28:14,460
2026 meeting minutes. Next is the final adoption of the ordinance for handicap parking at St. Charles Street.

1712
02:28:14,460 --> 02:28:19,940
We also have the final adoption of the ordinance for handicap parking at East Broadway.

1713
02:28:20,620 --> 02:28:25,700
Followed by the final adoption of the ordinance for handicap parking at East Third Street.

1714
02:28:26,980 --> 02:28:33,380
And then 8.5 is followed by the final adoption of the ordinance for 15 minute parking at East Third Street.

1715
02:28:33,900 --> 02:28:40,180
And lastly, the final adoption of the ordinance for the 15 minute handicap parking at 79 West Third Street.

1716
02:28:40,180 --> 02:28:42,280
Because I'm really gonna consent agenda.

1717
02:28:43,600 --> 02:28:48,800
Second motion from Steve, second from Jerome, all those in favour. Say aye. Aye. Aye.

1718
02:28:49,140 --> 02:28:49,660
Opposed?

1719
02:28:50,880 --> 02:28:58,320
We're just timing eight fifty, eight p.m. I move with adjourned.

1720
02:28:58,480 --> 02:29:01,980
Motion from George, second from Steve, all those in favour. Say aye. Aye.

1721
02:29:02,400 --> 02:29:03,800
Meaning adjourned. Thanks everybody.