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one, but there might be. But I.

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Thank you. So we

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after you. Yes. Thank.

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And after the first talk, a

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little.

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Something.

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The Joyner Press Council member

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Clark here.

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Council member.

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Bohlen here.

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Council member. Sisco. Mayor

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pro tem. Adams. Thank you.

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Council member. Taylor.

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Council member. Hall and

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council member. Burke.

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Thank you very much. Please

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join the City council meeting

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in a moment of silence. Thank

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you so much. Would you please

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join the City Council in me in

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the Pledge of Allegiance? I

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pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America.

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To the body which is state, one

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nation under GOD, indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for

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all. Thank you very much. Our

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sergeant at arms tonight is

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Lieutenant Langdon. Thank you

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for being with us tonight. And

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our fire marshals. Peacock to

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be with us. Before we get into

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the city manager

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s report

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tonight. Obviously, we have a

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very special group of

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individuals who are with us

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tonight. Might recall that on

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the on the JULY 4th at the

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stadium, we recognized number

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of centurions from our

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community here, those who are

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100 years old or older. And

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instead we wanted to actually

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bring them or ask them to come

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down to City Hall tonight. So

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we could recognize them in

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person as part of us

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celebrating our 250th

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anniversary as a country. I

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t think of a better way to

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do that than to recognize those

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individuals who have made it a

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special part of our of our

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city. So we do have a number

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of, of of folks here tonight.

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m going to call your names.

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And if you would just raise

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your hand and wave at us there,

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and we

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re going to give you a

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little gift there. I think, uh,

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good to be here for so but so.

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Okay, so our first one is Ben

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Meeks. Briggs. Briggs, thank

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you for being with. All right.

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Briggs won

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t mind me saying

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s a 104 years old. All right.

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Elizabeth Linsky, there she is,

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right there. Althea McIntyre.

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Annie Smith. And Lena Wardlow.

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you with us tonight. And we

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delighted that you

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ve been a

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part of our community. Thank

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you for all your wives. Uh,

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make such a difference. I do

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want to unfortunately

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acknowledge that since the JULY

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4th event, we have lost two of

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our sisters. Um, when Robert

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Lindsay Greer, who was one of

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our original firefighters on

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the original African-American

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firefighters created the fire

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department, he was 104. And

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then maybe when we have members

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of their family and our family

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here. Where m is to deal with

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those 127. What a great legacy

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for our community. We

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re glad

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to have you tonight. Uh, uh,

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re going to move on with our

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meeting now, but feel free to

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stay as long as you like. And

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feel free to go any time you

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like as well.

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You can do whatever they want.

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Yeah, right. Your prayers. And.

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I wish.

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Along highway 93. From her.

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Mouth. By the time.

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I just received.

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I took. Thank you.

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Of.

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Of. They were live their life

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is almost. I will thank you.

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Everyone of us. So resume the

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meeting. Uh. Let me. Call on

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the city manager if you

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ready for your, uh. Continuing

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to be serviced.

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Uh, until the replacement

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stickers are received. So, uh,

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if you

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re having problem with

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your red sticker staying on,

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there is another one coming in

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that were have asked them to be

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a little bit more intentional

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with the adhesive that they put

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This time.

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, just before our next meeting,

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I also want.

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Remind Council and the public

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that our Wisdom Transit

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Authority will be implementing

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the largest service redesign in

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in a number of years. On AUGUST

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the 30th, transitioned from

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primarily 60 minute and waste

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service to primarily 30 minute

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service to provide more

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frequent and convenient transit.

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Extensive community outreach

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and public education to help

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shape, communicate, and service

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changes. And there will be more

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information can be found on our.

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Let me ask transit not call our

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website about the change. One

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of the council know the public

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and we

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re also starting our

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annual city of Winston-Salem

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University program this

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Thursday, AUGUST 20th, which

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will run through NOVEMBER 2nd.

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Council members are welcome to

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tent sessions. We

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re excited to

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have a group of community

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residents that really want to

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learn more about the city, city

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government, and what is offered

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in our community, so we

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excited to talk them starting

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this Thursday in the

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construction of the Helen

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Walking Church, located on

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Carbon School Road, began in

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APRIL, is now about 99.5%.

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Proven. Solution. Boardwalk

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pedestrian trail, fitness

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equipment, shade structures,

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scratch resistant landscaping

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and completion is expected

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around the end of SEPTEMBER and

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the public grant development

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plan as we get closer to. A

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want a couple of recognitions?

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Don

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t recognize City Manager

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women who are recently

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completed the public Executive

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Leadership Challenge to to the

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Community School of Government

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Program Development and

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leadership collaboration and

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placemaking skills. Local

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government effectiveness. So

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congratulations. Thank. And I

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going to actually turn it over

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to to her right now to our

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parking.

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Uh thank you. So we recently

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for today do general Services

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Department, which is comprised

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of our property facilities

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management and vegetation

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management, sustainability and

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our central warehouse. And we

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just hired a perfect. And so he

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just started two weeks ago. As

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the director of departments, he

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has said it

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s been more than a

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decade. Local government

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leadership with the county

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since 2012. And now several

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leaders. Deputy Fletcher, major

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individuals. In criminal

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justice. Administration. So I

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excited to have. To. For and

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see.

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Have the city. Because we want

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to support it in all others to

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make public facilities. And our.

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Come all the things in the past.

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Help us to second is trying. To

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just places. With some of our

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with. That and resources around

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the policies. First and. 635

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dash. One elements. 12. Master

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is expanding how? The council a

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lot of houses, a lot of

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housing, stores Council budgets

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and tuition provisions as human

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are with the city. On

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Wednesday, AUGUST 26th, from

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930 to 1130 at the Old Town

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Neighborhood Center at 4550

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Chaplin Drive. Residents are

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invited to meet with city staff

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and community partners, learn

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about city services, ask

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questions, share ideas, and

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discuss issues affecting their

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neighborhoods, complimentary

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coffee and refreshments will be

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provided. And then, at our

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communities last week,

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particularly in the public

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works Committee meeting last

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last week highlighted the

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outstanding work across

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multiple city departments that

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took place to resolve the a

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major water main break that

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occurred at the end of JULY.

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d be remiss if I didn

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a moment at this platform to

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acknowledge the extraordinary

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around the clock effort of our

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employees, many of which you

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are also feeling the impact at

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their homes on this water

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outage. Our water main break,

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whose example our one team

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approach to city government in

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action around professionalism,

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commitment and collaboration of

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all these individuals working

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not only with one another but

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with the county and the

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community as a whole, including

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the many organizations and

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individuals to step up to help

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those who need it. During this

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time, the Council is our

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expression of appreciation for

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their work on that. And joining

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me in the spirit of Christmas.

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Thank you to the public for his

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patience and for all those who

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played a hand in taking care of

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the situation. So thank you. I

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know you had some of them. Some

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of them were even much needed

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break right now from the work

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that they had on. And then just

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finally, I wanted to

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acknowledge the International

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Theater Festival that was in

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full spring, actually full

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swing. What am I going to

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cover? But the city worked with

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the festival organizers, hotels

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and host sites to minimize the

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impact on the tens of thousands

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of guests that were in town.

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For one of our community

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signature events, the spirit

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and enthusiasm of the attendees

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and participants was powerful,

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and the festival was a true

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celebration of the arts like

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culture and the power of

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community to bring people

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together to find. The festival

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featured more than hundred and

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20 performances by 30

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professionals like the

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companies, many of the

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performances were sold out,

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most of them organizers

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estimate that the weeklong

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event generated economic impact

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for dollars. City caused the

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impact positively impacting

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hotels, restaurants, retailers,

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transportation providers, and

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other local businesses. They do

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always kind of like always does

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a fantastic job with this

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festival together. And I felt

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like we needed to recognize

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them for that work. Since and

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since, unless we

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re meeting

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together. So without camera,

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which.

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Was a delicious.

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Display.

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Good. Thank you very much.

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Thank you. Have a two honorees.

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Who have I?

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Resolution recognizing national

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emergency Management Awareness

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Month.

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Whereas emergencies.

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And disasters, including

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natural. Manmade and

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technological.

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And occur unexpectedly posing

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significant threats to life,

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property and environment. And

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whereas the Winston-Salem

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Forsyth County Office.

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Of Emergency Management, the

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city of Winston-Salem emergency

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managers across all sectors,

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community leaders, the North

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Carolina Division of Emergency

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Management, and the Federal

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Emergency Management Agency,

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fema dedicate countless hours

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to developing preparedness,

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response, recovery, and

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mitigation programs to protect

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the lives and property of all

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persons living in the United

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States and U.S. Territories.

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And Whereas, emergency managers

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across the United States and

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U.S. Territories are charged

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with establishing and

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capabilities necessary to

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effectively direct, coordinate,

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and support emergency and

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disaster response and recovery

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efforts. And Whereas, the

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efforts of our nation

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s

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emergency managers have helped

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millions of community members

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across the United States to

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cover, rebuild and become more

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resilient in the face of

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adversity. Now, therefore, be

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it resolved, the Mayor and City

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Council of the city of

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Winston-Salem hereby recognize

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the month of AUGUST as National

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Emergency Management Awareness

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Month in the city of

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Winston-Salem, in conjunction

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with the National Preparedness

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Month in SEPTEMBER, with the

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support of the North Carolina

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Division of Emergency

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Management, the International

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Association of Emergency

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Managers, and the National

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Emergency Management

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Association, all U.S.

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communities are urged to

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express their sincere

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appreciation for emergency

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managers in every sector who

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work diligently to prepare,

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protect and serve our cities,

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counties and states. Tribes,

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territories, regions and

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organizations against all

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hazards and risks.

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Through motion.

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MR. Mayor Pro Tem actions by

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Councilmember all although to

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say I. A unanimous asked the

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CHAIRMAN Of the Committee to

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present us to our Director of

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Emergency Management to offer.

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On behalf of our city. We thank

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you for all of your excellent

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work that you do in your

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department. We are excellent

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because of your diligence, your

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commitment and all of the time

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your staff gives. When we have

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mercy, we thank you. We

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appreciate you and we are.

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Thank you, MR. Mayor. Mayor Pro

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Tem and members of the council

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for the proclamation. Just very

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briefly, the Office of

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Emergency Management. We plan

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to coordinate our community

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response to disasters. Large

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scale emergency, natural avenue

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and technological development,

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and major infrastructure. And

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they occur. We do this by

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partnering with our local,

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city, county, regional, state,

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federal, private and nonprofit,

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non-governmental organizations.

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Our office is a very small team

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of five individuals and self,

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and we are typically working

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behind the scenes at public

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eye. So I think the

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proclamation excellent where we

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are now and what our team does

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and our mission is. And with

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that, I just want to accept the

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proclamation on behalf of my

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teams, recognition. One word.

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Thank you very much and have

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you. Thank you, MR.. Going over

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to fc during the water main

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crisis, here with full house

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work. First I will say about

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the city performance and we are

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to the beginning. Thank you.

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Have our needs to.

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Thank you for resolution

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honoring the 2026 Winston-Salem

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Police Department. Citizens

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Police Academy graduates.

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Whereas 12 citizens have

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successfully completed the

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Winston-Salem Police Department,

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Citizen Police Academy. Shannon

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Dula, Antoinette Conrad Montego

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Davidson, Lacey Dickens,

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Jocelyn Grace, Leticia Harrison

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Brooks, Jewett, Judith

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Renteria, Marion Chantelle,

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Shante Reynolds, and and Cisco.

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Ladies. And whereas the course

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is intended to provide

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residents with a deeper

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understanding of the inner

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workings and complexities of

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law enforcement and the

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Winston-Salem Police

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Department. And Whereas the

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2026 Citizens Police Academy

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has included more than 30 hours

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of interactive instruction

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across 13 weeks, giving

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participants a behind the

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scenes look at Winston-Salem

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Police Department. And Whereas

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the coursework covers city

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government and governance

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structure and community

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engagement, investigation,

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field operations, and

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constitutional law, and much

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more. Whereas participants

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experience specialized units

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such as Swat, k-9, forensics,

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and the real time crisis and

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have completed a ride along or

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cit, along with patrol or

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communications. And Whereas

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their dedication has resulted

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in a better understanding and

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appreciation of city government

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and law enforcement, and their

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participation has given them

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resources to serve their

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community and the world better.

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Now, therefore, be it resolved

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that the mayor and the

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Winston-Salem City Council

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hereby approve honoring the

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2026 Winston-Salem Citizens

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Police Academy graduates in

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which the much discussed with

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their future as community

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leaders.

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Come. For our second, because

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they are pursuing a position

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that has unanimous and

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presented us to begin to. Alan

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recognized. Thank you, Kenzie.

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Thank you for helping to make

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all this happen here. And Chief

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Fan has joined us here. How are

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you? Uh, so we are delighted to

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have this program in our city

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and our public safety chair and

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member of the class is here as

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well. So I

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ll present this to

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you and invite you to make a

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comment to your life.

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Good evening. Mayor. Mayor Pro

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Tem, member of the Council.

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Thank you for this recognition

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for the Citizens Police

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Academy. And I also wanted to

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take this opportunity to extend

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my gratitude to them. Although

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it is very clear to me that

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everyone knows how to do our

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job, when, where and how to do

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it. Um, it

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s especially I want

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to thank them this committee

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group, for the 13 Thursdays

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that they spent learning all

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about the police department.

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Um, they took ownership of

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their police department, and

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they learned a lot. I will tell

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you that as much as they

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learned during those 13 weeks,

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we learn just as much from

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them. And I

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m going to warn

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them, like I did at the

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beginning of class. They hear

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all this knowledge with them.

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However, if every time they

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watch in cop movies with their

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family members, they say they

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can

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t do that or they can

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t do

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that, no one will want to watch

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tv with them. So please refrain

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for that. But thank you.

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I will add that we have the

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fall version of Citizens Louis

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County coming up on AUGUST

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27th. Thank you all so much.

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Thank you. Now go to our

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regular agenda. Our agenda is

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comprised of two parts the

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consent agenda and the general

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agenda. As always, practice of

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our Council to pay to consent

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agenda is the first order of

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business. Items on this agenda

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have been unanimously

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00:28:27,713 --> 00:28:29,514
recommended by committee of the

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00:28:29,514 --> 00:28:30,716
City Council, or are being

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submitted in accordance with

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00:28:32,651 --> 00:28:33,752
established city procedure.

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There will be no discussion of

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the items on this agenda unless

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00:28:37,322 --> 00:28:38,824
council members so request that

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item be removed. The consent

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agenda and considered

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individually. Item is not

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00:28:43,696 --> 00:28:45,497
remove will be enacted with one

595
00:28:45,497 --> 00:28:47,698
motion. Councilmember. Hall was

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asked by seven with any other

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00:28:50,902 --> 00:28:51,603
items. Councilmember seeing

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none is here.

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I

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00:28:52,738 --> 00:28:53,438
ll move for approval.

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Of the consent.

602
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Agenda.

603
00:28:57,676 --> 00:28:59,478
Second, Councilmember Clark.

604
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This is what chronic disease

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electronic vote. Please

606
00:29:03,416 --> 00:29:05,840
indicate a voting yes if no one

607
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,452
can invoice with. All in favor,

608
00:29:07,452 --> 00:29:07,719
please say aye. Aye. Opposed?

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00:29:07,719 --> 00:29:08,888
And that

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00:29:08,888 --> 00:29:11,288
s unanimous. MAY have

611
00:29:11,457 --> 00:29:13,457
item c7, please.

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Item c7 resolution establishing

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00:29:15,928 --> 00:29:17,996
a new date for Winfield Forward,

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00:29:17,996 --> 00:29:20,990
llc to complete construction of

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00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:21,400
the Residences at Indiana to

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00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,400
provide affordable housing

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00:29:50,663 --> 00:29:52,699
located in the North Ward.

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Presented at city at the

619
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Committee. This is fine. I can

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do my remark, which is a very

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general. I

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ll just be

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00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:03,509
presenting what I did on last

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00:30:03,509 --> 00:30:04,243
Monday, if that

625
00:30:04,243 --> 00:30:06,243
s okay. Mayor

626
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:08,480
Jones okay, um, what I wanted

627
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,817
to do was make sure that I

628
00:30:10,817 --> 00:30:12,517
reiterated what I mentioned at

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00:30:12,517 --> 00:30:14,860
the Housing and General

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00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:16,486
Government meeting on last

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00:30:17,322 --> 00:30:18,892
Monday. That was just that, um,

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00:30:18,892 --> 00:30:20,892
the representatives from

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00:30:21,327 --> 00:30:23,495
Winfield for, uh, to follow up

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00:30:23,495 --> 00:30:25,265
with Mayor Pro Tem Adams, who

635
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is the representative for this

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00:30:27,533 --> 00:30:28,600
ward, to be sure that they are

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00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,736
able to follow up with the

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00:30:29,736 --> 00:30:31,403
residents who are across the

639
00:30:31,403 --> 00:30:33,338
street and Stonewall community.

640
00:30:33,338 --> 00:30:36,476
I know that they did make that,

641
00:30:36,476 --> 00:30:38,344
um, promise during that meeting

642
00:30:38,344 --> 00:30:39,678
on last Monday. I just want to

643
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make sure that that is stated

644
00:30:41,915 --> 00:30:43,248
on record. So they do follow up

645
00:30:43,248 --> 00:30:45,184
and make sure that they have

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00:30:45,184 --> 00:30:46,753
that meeting with, uh, Council

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00:30:46,753 --> 00:30:48,820
Member Adams, as well as the

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00:30:48,820 --> 00:30:51,560
residents that are nearby for

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00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:52,724
the update with the um, site

650
00:30:52,724 --> 00:30:53,760
plans and also with the new

651
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date for completed

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00:30:55,461 --> 00:30:56,362
construction. Thank you, Mayor

653
00:30:56,362 --> 00:30:57,696
Jones.

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, promotion Council member.

655
00:30:59,498 --> 00:31:02,135
I am. And with that, I move to

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00:31:02,135 --> 00:31:03,435
approve item c7.

657
00:31:03,435 --> 00:31:05,904
By Mayor Pro Tem Adams. Any

658
00:31:05,904 --> 00:31:06,973
discussion? If not all those in

659
00:31:06,973 --> 00:31:08,441
favor of this motion, please

660
00:31:08,441 --> 00:31:09,341
indicate by saying I.

661
00:31:09,341 --> 00:31:11,341
I.

662
00:31:11,377 --> 00:31:14,800
Oppose no. And that unanimous

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00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,981
thinking. Now go to the general

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00:31:15,981 --> 00:31:17,583
agenda, which is concludes

665
00:31:17,583 --> 00:31:19,520
public hearings on alleyway

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00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,652
closure, flood insurance

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00:31:20,652 --> 00:31:22,652
compliance, text amendment

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00:31:22,689 --> 00:31:25,890
seven zoning petitions and

669
00:31:25,557 --> 00:31:27,694
elected body special use permit

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00:31:27,694 --> 00:31:29,162
petition, public hearings are

671
00:31:29,162 --> 00:31:30,362
called uh. Persons in the

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00:31:30,362 --> 00:31:32,198
Council chamber will be given

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00:31:32,198 --> 00:31:33,832
an opportunity to speak if

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00:31:33,832 --> 00:31:35,400
there is opposition to a public

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00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,202
hearing item. The proponents

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00:31:37,202 --> 00:31:38,838
and opponents will be given 15

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00:31:38,838 --> 00:31:40,539
minutes for presentation and

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00:31:40,539 --> 00:31:42,407
three minutes for rebuttal. If

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00:31:42,407 --> 00:31:43,942
no one wishes to speak on

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00:31:43,942 --> 00:31:46,479
public hearing and the City

681
00:31:46,479 --> 00:31:47,981
council will consider the item

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which we have, item g one,

683
00:31:50,415 --> 00:31:52,218
please.

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00:31:52,218 --> 00:31:53,753
Item g one public hearing and

685
00:31:53,753 --> 00:31:56,753
consideration of a petition to

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00:31:56,756 --> 00:31:58,857
close an abandoned a 1.25 acre

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00:31:58,857 --> 00:32:00,525
unnamed alleyway between Allen

688
00:32:00,525 --> 00:32:02,695
Street and Wilbur Street,

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00:32:02,695 --> 00:32:04,196
located in the southeast ward.

690
00:32:04,196 --> 00:32:05,532
Thank you. Is there anyone in

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00:32:05,532 --> 00:32:08,532
the Council chamber who wishes

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00:32:10,103 --> 00:32:11,337
to be heard on this item?

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00:32:11,337 --> 00:32:12,504
Seeing no one, I declare the

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public hearing closed and

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00:32:13,539 --> 00:32:14,440
recognize the CHAIRMAN Of the

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00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,440
Public Works Committee.

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00:32:28,254 --> 00:32:30,254
Councilmember.

698
00:32:30,657 --> 00:32:31,256
I move for approval of item.

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00:32:31,256 --> 00:32:33,256
Chief.

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00:32:33,358 --> 00:32:36,958
Second., which is a second by

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00:32:39,565 --> 00:32:40,332
Councilmember Taylor. Go ahead

702
00:32:40,332 --> 00:32:42,332
and say that.

703
00:32:42,702 --> 00:32:46,339
I move for approval of item g.

704
00:32:46,339 --> 00:32:48,742
One second in the discussion of

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00:32:48,742 --> 00:32:49,441
this item. Not afraid. The

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00:32:49,441 --> 00:32:51,611
motion, please. In the

707
00:32:51,611 --> 00:32:54,110
capability. Yes. Anyone opposes

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00:32:56,482 --> 00:32:59,482
vote no. And as unanimous.

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00:32:59,619 --> 00:33:01,287
Thank you. Item g2.

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00:33:01,287 --> 00:33:04,287
Item g2 public hearing and

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00:33:04,357 --> 00:33:05,858
consideration of Udo cc 36

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00:33:05,858 --> 00:33:07,858
National Flood Insurance

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Program Compliance testimony.

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00:33:10,263 --> 00:33:11,965
This is a public hearing. Is

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00:33:11,965 --> 00:33:13,166
there anyone in the Council

716
00:33:13,166 --> 00:33:14,934
chamber who wishes to be heard

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00:33:14,934 --> 00:33:16,502
on this proposed amendment to

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00:33:16,502 --> 00:33:18,902
the National Flood Insurance

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00:33:21,875 --> 00:33:23,900
Program compliance text. C one

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under threat public hearing

721
00:33:24,677 --> 00:33:25,778
code close to recognize Mayor

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00:33:25,778 --> 00:33:27,112
Pro Tem items.

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00:33:27,112 --> 00:33:28,648
Thank you. Mayor. I move for

724
00:33:28,648 --> 00:33:30,883
approval of one the statement

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00:33:30,883 --> 00:33:33,487
of consistency for the approval

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00:33:33,487 --> 00:33:34,988
of this item and two. Udl cc

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00:33:34,988 --> 00:33:36,988
36.

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00:33:37,522 --> 00:33:39,922
Second. Second by Councilmember

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Clark. Any discussion questions

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00:33:41,961 --> 00:33:43,463
now for the motion please, and

731
00:33:43,463 --> 00:33:43,762
keep a voting yes. Anyone who

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00:33:43,762 --> 00:33:45,762
s

733
00:33:52,305 --> 00:33:55,174
vote no. That is unanimous.

734
00:33:55,174 --> 00:33:56,943
Thank you. Item g three.

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00:33:56,943 --> 00:33:58,177
Item g three public hearing and

736
00:33:58,177 --> 00:34:00,577
consideration of the Zoning

737
00:34:01,180 --> 00:34:04,780
petition of young keeping him w

738
00:34:05,518 --> 00:34:07,920
3687 from Rs nine and rm18 to

739
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,656
Rs seven. Property is located

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00:34:09,656 --> 00:34:09,822
east of the Andrews Drive, and

741
00:34:09,822 --> 00:34:10,957
we

742
00:34:10,957 --> 00:34:12,525
ve asked Boulevard

743
00:34:12,525 --> 00:34:13,927
intersection located in the

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00:34:13,927 --> 00:34:15,262
North Ward.

745
00:34:15,262 --> 00:34:16,663
Is there anyone in the council

746
00:34:16,663 --> 00:34:20,263
CHAIRMAN Who is opposed to this

747
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:21,568
rezoning? Seeing that we

748
00:34:21,568 --> 00:34:22,635
re not

749
00:34:22,635 --> 00:34:25,572
the chair of the public hearing

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00:34:25,572 --> 00:34:26,839
closed and recognize the

751
00:34:26,839 --> 00:34:27,500
appropriate Adams, I

752
00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:28,575
ll.

753
00:34:28,575 --> 00:34:30,176
Move for approval of one. The

754
00:34:30,176 --> 00:34:32,145
statement of consistency for

755
00:34:32,145 --> 00:34:35,548
the approval of this item. And

756
00:34:35,548 --> 00:34:37,548
two w 3687.

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00:34:39,186 --> 00:34:40,453
A second. Second second.

758
00:34:40,453 --> 00:34:42,853
Council member Taylor. Any

759
00:34:43,489 --> 00:34:44,757
discussion questions? Not all

760
00:34:44,757 --> 00:34:46,426
for the motion, please indicate

761
00:34:46,426 --> 00:34:49,426
by voting yes. Anyone opposed?

762
00:34:51,264 --> 00:34:53,601
Vote no. That is unanimous.

763
00:34:53,601 --> 00:34:54,767
Thank you. Mayor Pro Tem, item

764
00:34:54,767 --> 00:34:56,502
g.

765
00:34:56,502 --> 00:34:57,770
Item g for public hearing and

766
00:34:57,770 --> 00:35:00,170
consideration of a zoning

767
00:35:01,274 --> 00:35:04,274
petition of Lewis David Vargas.

768
00:35:05,412 --> 00:35:06,913
W 3688 from Rs nine to gbl

769
00:35:06,913 --> 00:35:08,883
properties located on the west

770
00:35:08,883 --> 00:35:10,383
side of Home Road, north of

771
00:35:10,383 --> 00:35:12,319
Indiana Avenue, containing

772
00:35:12,319 --> 00:35:14,319
approximately 0.36 acres.

773
00:35:15,289 --> 00:35:16,322
Located in the North Ward..

774
00:35:16,322 --> 00:35:17,757
So anyone in the Council

775
00:35:17,757 --> 00:35:21,357
chamber who is opposed to this

776
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:24,731
proposed rezoning. Seeing no

777
00:35:24,731 --> 00:35:26,100
one, I declare a public hearing

778
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:28,500
closed and again recognized

779
00:35:28,769 --> 00:35:29,570
mayor put on work. You are

780
00:35:29,570 --> 00:35:31,371
less.

781
00:35:31,371 --> 00:35:32,939
I move for approval of one

782
00:35:32,939 --> 00:35:35,900
statement of consistency for

783
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:38,412
the approval of this item, and

784
00:35:38,412 --> 00:35:40,412
two w 3688.

785
00:35:41,247 --> 00:35:43,500
For a second. Second second.

786
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:45,450
Councilmember. Clerk in session.

787
00:35:46,586 --> 00:35:47,687
Questions on this item? Not all

788
00:35:47,687 --> 00:35:49,890
those in favor, please indicate

789
00:35:49,890 --> 00:35:51,489
voting yes. Anyone who

790
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,160
s. As

791
00:35:56,697 --> 00:35:58,640
unanimous. Thank you. Item g

792
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,640
five.

793
00:36:00,134 --> 00:36:01,334
Item five. Motion to excuse

794
00:36:01,334 --> 00:36:03,470
Council Member Taylor from

795
00:36:03,470 --> 00:36:04,538
voting item g6.

796
00:36:04,538 --> 00:36:05,973
Thank you. Chair a motion to

797
00:36:05,973 --> 00:36:07,707
excuse Councilmember Taylor.

798
00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:10,707
I move to Councilmember Taylor.

799
00:36:11,110 --> 00:36:12,780
Be voting on item g six.

800
00:36:12,780 --> 00:36:15,480
Second above for all. Any

801
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:16,449
discussion. All those in favor

802
00:36:16,449 --> 00:36:18,117
of the item, please take the

803
00:36:18,117 --> 00:36:20,517
voting. Yes. Anyone opposed?

804
00:36:22,622 --> 00:36:24,240
Vote no and that is unanimous.

805
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:27,240
For whatever your excuse for

806
00:36:27,394 --> 00:36:28,929
voting on item. Uh, g6, they

807
00:36:28,929 --> 00:36:30,697
will have on Jesus.

808
00:36:30,697 --> 00:36:31,998
I g6 public hearing and

809
00:36:31,998 --> 00:36:34,398
consideration of a zoning

810
00:36:34,567 --> 00:36:35,702
petition for Water Holding llc

811
00:36:35,702 --> 00:36:38,102
doing business as equal

812
00:36:39,706 --> 00:36:42,706
properties w 3689 from R.M.

813
00:36:44,645 --> 00:36:45,880
Eight s and lil two lifo

814
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,414
properties located at the

815
00:36:47,414 --> 00:36:49,215
southeast intersection of South

816
00:36:49,215 --> 00:36:51,850
Main Street and Arnold Avenue,

817
00:36:51,850 --> 00:36:53,190
containing approximately 0.81

818
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:54,120
acres. Located in the southeast

819
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,220
ward.

820
00:36:56,220 --> 00:36:56,956
Thank you. Is there anyone in

821
00:36:56,956 --> 00:36:59,356
the Council CHAIRMAN Who

822
00:37:01,895 --> 00:37:03,364
opposed this rezoning? Seeing

823
00:37:03,364 --> 00:37:05,599
no one, our declare the public

824
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:06,867
hearing closed and just comes

825
00:37:06,867 --> 00:37:07,167
prepared. Excused. I

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00:37:07,167 --> 00:37:09,167
m

827
00:37:09,402 --> 00:37:09,937
councilmember. Motion. Thank

828
00:37:09,937 --> 00:37:11,705
you.

829
00:37:11,705 --> 00:37:13,173
Thank you. Mayor. I move for

830
00:37:13,173 --> 00:37:15,409
approval of the statement of

831
00:37:15,409 --> 00:37:18,409
consistency for the approval of

832
00:37:20,548 --> 00:37:22,682
this item. And w-3689.

833
00:37:22,682 --> 00:37:24,251
Second by Mayor Pro Tem Adams.

834
00:37:24,251 --> 00:37:26,651
Any discussion questions on

835
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:28,655
this item? Not all those in

836
00:37:28,655 --> 00:37:31,655
favor. The motion please. Yes.

837
00:37:39,966 --> 00:37:41,302
Anyone opposed? Nope. That is

838
00:37:41,302 --> 00:37:43,302
unanimous with Councilmember

839
00:37:43,504 --> 00:37:45,904
Taylor being excused following

840
00:37:46,139 --> 00:37:48,750
on it. Item d7.

841
00:37:48,750 --> 00:37:49,442
Item g7 Public Hearing and

842
00:37:49,442 --> 00:37:51,842
consideration of the Zoning

843
00:37:52,346 --> 00:37:55,346
Petition of hhs Holdings, llc.

844
00:37:56,830 --> 00:37:57,617
W 3690. From lds to gps

845
00:37:57,617 --> 00:37:59,120
properties located along the

846
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,920
southeast side of South

847
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,655
Stratford Road and at the

848
00:38:02,655 --> 00:38:04,825
terminus of Ashwood Drive,

849
00:38:04,825 --> 00:38:06,760
containing approximately 2.38

850
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,330
acres located in the southwest

851
00:38:08,330 --> 00:38:09,697
Ward.

852
00:38:09,697 --> 00:38:11,398
Thank you. Is there anyone in

853
00:38:11,398 --> 00:38:14,398
the Council chambers opposed to

854
00:38:17,370 --> 00:38:18,572
this rezoning? See, you want to

855
00:38:18,572 --> 00:38:19,907
declare a public hearing closed

856
00:38:19,907 --> 00:38:21,907
and recognized? Councilmember

857
00:38:22,375 --> 00:38:23,410
Andre Bowman.

858
00:38:23,410 --> 00:38:25,120
MR. Mayor, I move.

859
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,847
For approval of one statement.

860
00:38:26,847 --> 00:38:29,847
Consistency for the approval of

861
00:38:31,986 --> 00:38:34,622
this item. And to w 3690.

862
00:38:34,622 --> 00:38:37,220
Second Councilor Scipio. Any

863
00:38:38,926 --> 00:38:39,827
discussion questions? Now, all

864
00:38:39,827 --> 00:38:41,362
those in favor? The motion,

865
00:38:41,362 --> 00:38:44,362
please keep the voting. Yes.

866
00:38:47,801 --> 00:38:49,770
Anyone knows those have. And

867
00:38:49,770 --> 00:38:51,539
that is unanimous. Thank you.

868
00:38:51,539 --> 00:38:53,407
Item g8.

869
00:38:53,407 --> 00:38:54,674
I am g a public hearing and

870
00:38:54,674 --> 00:38:56,277
consideration of the zoning

871
00:38:56,277 --> 00:38:59,277
petition of all Red Investment

872
00:39:00,580 --> 00:39:03,484
Company, llc. W 3692 from gi

873
00:39:03,484 --> 00:39:05,190
and cpo to gpl properties

874
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:06,720
located on the north side of

875
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:08,455
East Haynes Mill Road, across

876
00:39:08,455 --> 00:39:10,455
from Brasfield Drive,

877
00:39:11,358 --> 00:39:13,260
containing approximately 44.45

878
00:39:13,260 --> 00:39:14,863
acres. Located in the northeast

879
00:39:14,863 --> 00:39:16,165
Ward.

880
00:39:16,165 --> 00:39:17,298
Thank you. Is there anyone in

881
00:39:17,298 --> 00:39:20,298
the Council CHAIRMAN Who is

882
00:39:22,102 --> 00:39:23,537
opposed to this rezoning?

883
00:39:23,537 --> 00:39:24,738
Seeing no one on declare the

884
00:39:24,738 --> 00:39:26,240
public hearing closed and

885
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:26,907
recognized, Councilmember.

886
00:39:26,907 --> 00:39:28,907
Fortune.

887
00:39:29,342 --> 00:39:31,146
Thank you, mayor. I move for

888
00:39:31,146 --> 00:39:33,480
approval of one. The statement

889
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,480
of consistency for the approval

890
00:39:38,619 --> 00:39:40,120
of this item. And two w 3692.

891
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,456
One mayor Pro Tem Adams any

892
00:39:41,456 --> 00:39:43,856
discussion questions on this

893
00:39:44,225 --> 00:39:46,327
item? Not all those in favor,

894
00:39:46,327 --> 00:39:49,927
please. Yes. You want to close

895
00:39:54,902 --> 00:39:57,302
out that? As approved

896
00:39:58,173 --> 00:40:00,700
unanimously. Item g nine.

897
00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:01,242
Item g9 public hearing and

898
00:40:01,242 --> 00:40:03,642
consideration of a Zoning

899
00:40:05,579 --> 00:40:08,216
Petition of alma mater w 3693

900
00:40:08,216 --> 00:40:09,516
from Rs nine to Knoll

901
00:40:09,516 --> 00:40:11,252
Properties, located on the

902
00:40:11,252 --> 00:40:13,621
south side of Country Club Road

903
00:40:13,621 --> 00:40:15,156
between South Cliff Dale Drive

904
00:40:15,156 --> 00:40:17,292
and Harbor Street, paying

905
00:40:17,292 --> 00:40:19,292
approximately 0.33 acres.

906
00:40:20,194 --> 00:40:21,295
Located in the southwest Ward.

907
00:40:21,295 --> 00:40:22,963
I understand there is

908
00:40:22,963 --> 00:40:26,200
opposition to this item, so we

909
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,768
will have a public hearing for

910
00:40:27,768 --> 00:40:30,768
the proponents here to make

911
00:40:30,938 --> 00:40:33,938
comments. Uh, MR. Murphy is

912
00:40:53,494 --> 00:40:54,896
going to do that for us. Mayor.

913
00:40:54,896 --> 00:40:57,966
Um, mayor Pro Tem, members of

914
00:40:57,966 --> 00:41:00,168
council, uh, this request is to

915
00:41:00,168 --> 00:41:01,302
rezone 0.33 acres of property

916
00:41:01,302 --> 00:41:02,837
located on the south side of

917
00:41:02,837 --> 00:41:04,238
Country Club Road, between

918
00:41:04,238 --> 00:41:06,600
South Lift and Rob and Harbor

919
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,406
Street, located in the

920
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:11,579
southwest ward from Rs. Nine to

921
00:41:11,579 --> 00:41:13,579
Knoll neighborhood office.

922
00:41:20,688 --> 00:41:23,257
Limited use. This is a map of

923
00:41:23,257 --> 00:41:24,491
the for 2045 Growth Management

924
00:41:24,491 --> 00:41:26,227
Area Plan map showing the

925
00:41:26,227 --> 00:41:27,495
property located in gma three

926
00:41:27,495 --> 00:41:28,896
suburban neighborhoods. It is

927
00:41:28,896 --> 00:41:30,898
located to the south side of

928
00:41:30,898 --> 00:41:32,734
Country Club Road, just to the

929
00:41:32,734 --> 00:41:33,968
west of South Creek Parkway.

930
00:41:33,968 --> 00:41:35,970
South Creek Parkway, and that

931
00:41:35,970 --> 00:41:36,571
area does serve as the dividing

932
00:41:36,571 --> 00:41:37,338
line between gma

933
00:41:37,338 --> 00:41:39,390
s two and

934
00:41:39,390 --> 00:41:40,608
three, but this is located

935
00:41:40,608 --> 00:41:41,842
within the suburban suburban

936
00:41:41,842 --> 00:41:43,842
neighborhood. Growth management.

937
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:47,480
Uh, this is a subject property

938
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,216
highlighted in yellow, again

939
00:41:49,216 --> 00:41:51,286
shown on the south side of

940
00:41:51,286 --> 00:41:53,521
Country Club Road. You see, it

941
00:41:53,521 --> 00:41:56,560
is located just slightly west

942
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,359
of a large office, uh, zoning

943
00:41:58,359 --> 00:42:01,130
across the road from an us

944
00:42:01,130 --> 00:42:02,597
townhome project. It is located

945
00:42:02,597 --> 00:42:04,365
in between Harper and Cliff

946
00:42:04,365 --> 00:42:06,134
Dale, and it is located close

947
00:42:06,134 --> 00:42:10,334
to the on and off ramps as

948
00:42:12,706 --> 00:42:14,609
follows. Creek Parkway Road.

949
00:42:14,609 --> 00:42:16,544
Outlined in yellow. This is the

950
00:42:16,544 --> 00:42:18,944
existing single home. This

951
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,214
would be an adaptive reuse. And

952
00:42:20,214 --> 00:42:21,249
again you do see the

953
00:42:21,249 --> 00:42:23,840
development pattern in the

954
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,119
area. Some intense single

955
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:27,722
family and multifamily to the

956
00:42:27,722 --> 00:42:29,858
north have traditional older

957
00:42:29,858 --> 00:42:31,492
homes on that south side of

958
00:42:31,492 --> 00:42:32,493
Country Club Road. And again

959
00:42:32,493 --> 00:42:35,462
you do see the office

960
00:42:35,462 --> 00:42:38,200
development there to the east

961
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,401
along South Creek Parkway. And

962
00:42:39,401 --> 00:42:41,835
you see to the west the

963
00:42:41,835 --> 00:42:44,235
beginnings of the um,

964
00:42:45,390 --> 00:42:48,390
commercial area. There to the

965
00:42:50,278 --> 00:42:51,546
west, the Gordon Manor area.

966
00:42:51,546 --> 00:42:52,781
This is the subject property

967
00:42:52,781 --> 00:42:54,248
shown on the West Suburban Area

968
00:42:54,248 --> 00:42:56,684
Plan update, which was updated

969
00:42:56,684 --> 00:42:57,852
in 2018. It does recognize the

970
00:42:57,852 --> 00:42:59,852
existing single family

971
00:42:59,921 --> 00:43:01,656
residential use of the property

972
00:43:01,656 --> 00:43:03,157
and recommends for this

973
00:43:03,157 --> 00:43:05,293
property to be developed as

974
00:43:05,293 --> 00:43:07,693
single family residential. Uh,

975
00:43:07,963 --> 00:43:09,497
also in the area plan. Uh, you

976
00:43:09,497 --> 00:43:11,266
know, does talk about the

977
00:43:11,266 --> 00:43:13,666
neighborhood office and zoning

978
00:43:13,668 --> 00:43:15,604
can be an acceptable transition

979
00:43:15,604 --> 00:43:18,604
use and can be accepted

980
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,400
alternative to single family

981
00:43:21,142 --> 00:43:23,142
residential, especially along,

982
00:43:23,411 --> 00:43:25,580
uh, urban corridors such as

983
00:43:25,580 --> 00:43:25,780
country Club Road. So again, it

984
00:43:25,780 --> 00:43:26,681
doesn

985
00:43:26,681 --> 00:43:28,216
t meet the specific

986
00:43:28,216 --> 00:43:30,117
recommendation of area plan.

987
00:43:30,117 --> 00:43:31,653
But there is some flexibility

988
00:43:31,653 --> 00:43:34,653
there for adaptive reuse of

989
00:43:35,890 --> 00:43:37,225
existing structures. Uh, this

990
00:43:37,225 --> 00:43:38,493
is just some images. This is

991
00:43:38,493 --> 00:43:39,961
looking east along Country Club

992
00:43:39,961 --> 00:43:41,950
Road to subject property is to

993
00:43:41,950 --> 00:43:43,397
the right to see the zoning

994
00:43:43,397 --> 00:43:44,566
sign there on the other side

995
00:43:44,566 --> 00:43:46,467
you see some of those townhomes

996
00:43:46,467 --> 00:43:48,236
that were built about 8 to 10

997
00:43:48,236 --> 00:43:50,372
years ago. You do in the

998
00:43:50,372 --> 00:43:52,440
background over there. See the

999
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:53,642
southbound offramp from South

1000
00:43:53,642 --> 00:43:56,642
Creek Parkway, home to Country

1001
00:43:57,780 --> 00:43:59,180
Club. Uh, this is looking west

1002
00:43:59,180 --> 00:44:00,848
on along hundred Club Road. The

1003
00:44:00,848 --> 00:44:03,518
subject property is to the left

1004
00:44:03,518 --> 00:44:05,687
in the on the image you see the

1005
00:44:05,687 --> 00:44:07,721
apartments, uh, apartments of

1006
00:44:07,721 --> 00:44:08,156
townhomes across country Club.

1007
00:44:08,156 --> 00:44:08,924
Again, there

1008
00:44:08,924 --> 00:44:09,570
s a wall, there

1009
00:44:09,570 --> 00:44:10,526
s

1010
00:44:10,526 --> 00:44:12,694
a vegetated screen, but there

1011
00:44:12,694 --> 00:44:15,496
is more intense side of the

1012
00:44:15,496 --> 00:44:16,765
road. Uh, this is looking

1013
00:44:16,765 --> 00:44:18,990
south. Home kind of club road

1014
00:44:18,990 --> 00:44:21,990
at the subject property. This

1015
00:44:21,336 --> 00:44:22,904
is the house in question. Uh,

1016
00:44:22,904 --> 00:44:24,539
this is looking west from the

1017
00:44:24,539 --> 00:44:26,939
property and adjacent vacant

1018
00:44:28,411 --> 00:44:29,611
parcel. Their own country club.

1019
00:44:29,611 --> 00:44:31,130
This is looking east from the

1020
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:33,413
subject property and another

1021
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:35,116
adjacent to make it parcel to

1022
00:44:35,116 --> 00:44:37,520
give. This is looking more

1023
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,887
directly across the backs of

1024
00:44:38,887 --> 00:44:41,287
the townhomes across Country

1025
00:44:42,891 --> 00:44:44,527
Club Road. And looking at the

1026
00:44:44,527 --> 00:44:45,894
project can provide an analysis

1027
00:44:45,894 --> 00:44:47,195
of West Suburban area plan

1028
00:44:47,195 --> 00:44:49,197
update recommends this property

1029
00:44:49,197 --> 00:44:50,866
for low density single family

1030
00:44:50,866 --> 00:44:52,167
development. The district is

1031
00:44:52,167 --> 00:44:53,802
intended to accommodate home

1032
00:44:53,802 --> 00:44:55,136
office conversions at the edges

1033
00:44:55,136 --> 00:44:57,136
of existing residential

1034
00:44:57,339 --> 00:44:58,808
neighborhoods. The proposed

1035
00:44:58,808 --> 00:45:00,141
request is compatible with the

1036
00:45:00,141 --> 00:45:01,420
residential development pattern

1037
00:45:01,420 --> 00:45:02,377
of the area, and would

1038
00:45:02,377 --> 00:45:04,450
accommodate reuse of that

1039
00:45:04,450 --> 00:45:06,414
existing single family home on

1040
00:45:06,414 --> 00:45:08,183
the site. Proposals. Also

1041
00:45:08,183 --> 00:45:09,918
consistent with forward to 2045

1042
00:45:09,918 --> 00:45:11,319
recommendations to create

1043
00:45:11,319 --> 00:45:13,319
compatible transitions between

1044
00:45:14,155 --> 00:45:15,323
different land uses. This was

1045
00:45:15,323 --> 00:45:16,725
heard by the Planning Board at

1046
00:45:16,725 --> 00:45:17,726
their meeting in JULY. Uh,

1047
00:45:17,726 --> 00:45:19,940
there was one speaker in

1048
00:45:19,940 --> 00:45:20,695
opposition, primarily concerned

1049
00:45:20,695 --> 00:45:21,764
with the additional business

1050
00:45:21,764 --> 00:45:23,598
development along the country

1051
00:45:23,598 --> 00:45:25,000
Club Road corridor. I believe,

1052
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,690
specifically related to traffic

1053
00:45:27,690 --> 00:45:28,303
concerns. Uh, following the

1054
00:45:28,303 --> 00:45:29,304
public hearing of the, uh, the

1055
00:45:29,304 --> 00:45:30,572
planning board did voted

1056
00:45:30,572 --> 00:45:31,940
unanimously to recommend

1057
00:45:31,940 --> 00:45:33,909
approval of this request to

1058
00:45:33,909 --> 00:45:35,440
council. And with that, I stand

1059
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,440
ready to answer any questions.

1060
00:45:39,815 --> 00:45:42,815
MR. Murphy. Good morning. Thank

1061
00:45:43,180 --> 00:45:43,919
you, MR. Murphy. Um, so what

1062
00:45:43,919 --> 00:45:44,452
are the what can

1063
00:45:44,452 --> 00:45:46,821
t what are the

1064
00:45:46,821 --> 00:45:49,624
limitations of moving from what

1065
00:45:49,624 --> 00:45:51,126
is currently to what the Noel

1066
00:45:51,126 --> 00:45:52,930
what are the major limitations?

1067
00:45:52,930 --> 00:45:54,163
Because we spoke earlier that

1068
00:45:54,163 --> 00:45:54,329
there are things they just

1069
00:45:54,329 --> 00:45:56,197
can

1070
00:45:56,197 --> 00:45:57,532
t do. They can do. Can you

1071
00:45:57,532 --> 00:45:59,168
explain that a little bit in

1072
00:45:59,168 --> 00:46:00,503
detail? As much as you can.

1073
00:46:00,503 --> 00:46:02,204
Under this request, they are

1074
00:46:02,204 --> 00:46:03,405
specifically asking for a

1075
00:46:03,405 --> 00:46:04,974
limited number of uses or

1076
00:46:04,974 --> 00:46:06,541
asking for an office use,

1077
00:46:06,541 --> 00:46:07,977
asking for a couple of

1078
00:46:07,977 --> 00:46:09,770
different kinds of adult

1079
00:46:09,770 --> 00:46:09,612
daycare uses. They

1080
00:46:09,612 --> 00:46:11,347
re asking

1081
00:46:11,347 --> 00:46:12,681
for a couple of different kinds

1082
00:46:12,681 --> 00:46:12,882
of child daycare uses, and

1083
00:46:12,882 --> 00:46:13,783
they

1084
00:46:13,783 --> 00:46:15,985
re asking to keep the

1085
00:46:15,985 --> 00:46:17,720
existing single family home as

1086
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:19,120
a potential use. But it can

1087
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,823
only be one of those four

1088
00:46:21,823 --> 00:46:23,526
things. All of us residence,

1089
00:46:23,526 --> 00:46:25,926
daycare center, or adult

1090
00:46:26,362 --> 00:46:28,296
daycare provider, or a

1091
00:46:28,296 --> 00:46:29,731
combination thereof. Of course,

1092
00:46:29,731 --> 00:46:30,966
if they keep the existing home,

1093
00:46:30,966 --> 00:46:32,667
they would have to make sure it

1094
00:46:32,667 --> 00:46:34,690
meets, uh, non-residential

1095
00:46:34,690 --> 00:46:34,537
code. Uh, if they

1096
00:46:34,537 --> 00:46:35,771
re going to

1097
00:46:35,771 --> 00:46:37,105
have it as any type of

1098
00:46:37,105 --> 00:46:39,108
occupancy other than single

1099
00:46:39,108 --> 00:46:40,609
family, um, there are no

1100
00:46:40,609 --> 00:46:42,410
conditions of approval related

1101
00:46:42,410 --> 00:46:42,878
to this. As far as keeping the

1102
00:46:42,878 --> 00:46:43,546
home, we don

1103
00:46:43,546 --> 00:46:45,546
t really have

1104
00:46:45,647 --> 00:46:47,148
anything that would kind of if

1105
00:46:47,148 --> 00:46:48,184
you remove it and you violated

1106
00:46:48,184 --> 00:46:48,383
the zoning condition, there

1107
00:46:48,383 --> 00:46:49,718
s

1108
00:46:49,718 --> 00:46:51,453
not really a remedy to put the

1109
00:46:51,453 --> 00:46:52,988
house back if you tear it down.

1110
00:46:52,988 --> 00:46:54,690
Given the limited nature of the

1111
00:46:54,690 --> 00:46:54,924
uses that are being requested,

1112
00:46:54,924 --> 00:46:55,758
I don

1113
00:46:55,758 --> 00:46:56,558
t think it

1114
00:46:56,558 --> 00:46:58,270
s likely that

1115
00:46:58,270 --> 00:47:00,228
the house is to be torn down

1116
00:47:00,228 --> 00:47:01,596
and rebuilt for something else.

1117
00:47:01,596 --> 00:47:02,864
Perhaps the petitioner could

1118
00:47:02,864 --> 00:47:03,980
speak to that, but again, it

1119
00:47:03,980 --> 00:47:05,980
wouldn

1120
00:47:06,100 --> 00:47:08,604
t be binding. But very

1121
00:47:08,604 --> 00:47:10,505
limited frame of uses that are

1122
00:47:10,505 --> 00:47:12,742
being requested here. I know

1123
00:47:12,742 --> 00:47:14,243
that one of the concerns of the

1124
00:47:14,243 --> 00:47:16,478
people who are opposed to this

1125
00:47:16,478 --> 00:47:18,847
is around the traffic. Um, is

1126
00:47:18,847 --> 00:47:22,447
there a limitation of how many

1127
00:47:22,717 --> 00:47:24,452
cars can go into this proposed,

1128
00:47:24,452 --> 00:47:24,886
zoning? Not as part of this,

1129
00:47:24,886 --> 00:47:25,987
because there

1130
00:47:25,987 --> 00:47:27,489
s no site

1131
00:47:27,489 --> 00:47:28,624
specific development plan. The

1132
00:47:28,624 --> 00:47:29,725
uses that are here and

1133
00:47:29,725 --> 00:47:30,825
obviously a child daycare

1134
00:47:30,825 --> 00:47:32,895
center would be somewhat

1135
00:47:32,895 --> 00:47:35,131
limiting by the square footage

1136
00:47:35,131 --> 00:47:36,465
of the structure. Uh, and

1137
00:47:36,465 --> 00:47:37,533
office, you know, again,

1138
00:47:37,533 --> 00:47:39,680
generally speaking, of all

1139
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:40,469
pesticides would generate a lot

1140
00:47:40,469 --> 00:47:42,304
of traffic, but there would be

1141
00:47:42,304 --> 00:47:44,340
any guarantees or assurances

1142
00:47:44,340 --> 00:47:44,472
related to traffic because it

1143
00:47:44,472 --> 00:47:46,107
s

1144
00:47:46,107 --> 00:47:46,509
a limited use request, can

1145
00:47:46,509 --> 00:47:48,509
t

1146
00:47:49,377 --> 00:47:51,180
speak to the fact that the

1147
00:47:51,180 --> 00:47:52,815
existing traffic count in that

1148
00:47:52,815 --> 00:47:56,252
area on Country Club is at

1149
00:47:56,252 --> 00:47:57,652
15,500, and the capacity before

1150
00:47:57,652 --> 00:48:00,589
you tip over into level of

1151
00:48:00,589 --> 00:48:04,426
service d is 15,800. So it is a

1152
00:48:04,426 --> 00:48:06,950
heavily congested road. Thank

1153
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:07,763
you. We now will have our

1154
00:48:07,763 --> 00:48:10,763
public hearing. Uh, is the

1155
00:48:11,367 --> 00:48:13,200
proponent here a proponent?

1156
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:13,603
Yes. Okay. We

1157
00:48:13,603 --> 00:48:16,300
ll get back to

1158
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,400
you. Anyone to speak for the

1159
00:48:25,581 --> 00:48:26,882
proponent of okay. Yes. MR..

1160
00:48:26,882 --> 00:48:27,884
Please come forward. And just

1161
00:48:27,884 --> 00:48:29,618
give your name and address for

1162
00:48:29,618 --> 00:48:31,618
the record. Please.

1163
00:48:31,854 --> 00:48:32,488
Hello. My name is alma mater,

1164
00:48:32,488 --> 00:48:33,756
and I

1165
00:48:33,756 --> 00:48:36,156
m representing the House,

1166
00:48:38,928 --> 00:48:39,610
36 Oak Country Club and I don

1167
00:48:39,610 --> 00:48:40,997
t

1168
00:48:40,997 --> 00:48:44,333
know how to serve, but, um, we

1169
00:48:44,333 --> 00:48:46,502
are, um, having concerns about

1170
00:48:46,502 --> 00:48:47,603
the traffic. Uh, usually we try

1171
00:48:47,603 --> 00:48:51,203
to use the house for home

1172
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,309
office. Um, the main point is,

1173
00:48:53,309 --> 00:48:53,808
uh, well, I don

1174
00:48:53,808 --> 00:48:55,578
t know what to

1175
00:48:55,578 --> 00:48:55,711
say, but it is, uh, it

1176
00:48:55,711 --> 00:48:57,613
s

1177
00:48:57,613 --> 00:48:59,215
somebody really interesting to

1178
00:48:59,215 --> 00:48:59,381
use the house for. Home office?

1179
00:48:59,381 --> 00:49:01,381
It

1180
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:02,218
s a lawyer. Is, I guess it

1181
00:49:02,218 --> 00:49:03,686
s

1182
00:49:03,686 --> 00:49:07,286
not going to be heavy traffic.

1183
00:49:07,456 --> 00:49:07,590
If it is a problem, but I don

1184
00:49:07,590 --> 00:49:08,691
t

1185
00:49:08,691 --> 00:49:10,260
know what I

1186
00:49:10,260 --> 00:49:10,693
m say.

1187
00:49:10,693 --> 00:49:12,693
Okay.

1188
00:49:13,763 --> 00:49:16,498
Thank you. All right. Anyone

1189
00:49:16,498 --> 00:49:18,768
else? For the proponents right

1190
00:49:18,768 --> 00:49:19,168
now and ask for the opponents?

1191
00:49:19,168 --> 00:49:20,669
Yes, ma

1192
00:49:20,669 --> 00:49:22,872
am. State your name and

1193
00:49:22,872 --> 00:49:23,472
address for the record as well.

1194
00:49:23,472 --> 00:49:24,941
Hi. Um, I

1195
00:49:24,941 --> 00:49:27,142
m Valerie Martin, my

1196
00:49:27,142 --> 00:49:29,142
address is 417 South

1197
00:49:31,146 --> 00:49:34,183
Cloverdale. And, um, I am also

1198
00:49:34,183 --> 00:49:35,686
speaking today on behalf of the

1199
00:49:35,686 --> 00:49:37,686
Sheffield Garden. Um

1200
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,155
Association. Central Garden.

1201
00:49:39,155 --> 00:49:39,889
Sorry, there

1202
00:49:39,889 --> 00:49:40,856
s a Sheffield

1203
00:49:40,856 --> 00:49:41,458
garden club that I

1204
00:49:41,458 --> 00:49:43,459
m a part of,

1205
00:49:43,459 --> 00:49:46,459
as well as the Sheffield

1206
00:49:46,495 --> 00:49:48,495
neighborhood. Um, Association.

1207
00:49:49,265 --> 00:49:51,200
And I have a list of names of

1208
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:51,334
people that I spoke with. And

1209
00:49:51,334 --> 00:49:53,334
I

1210
00:49:57,138 --> 00:49:58,374
m. Copies of. Um, so as a

1211
00:49:58,374 --> 00:50:00,774
lifelong resident of this

1212
00:50:00,810 --> 00:50:01,144
neighborhood, um, I am also I

1213
00:50:01,144 --> 00:50:02,946
m

1214
00:50:02,946 --> 00:50:04,413
very happy that about the

1215
00:50:04,413 --> 00:50:07,383
office building that is there

1216
00:50:07,383 --> 00:50:08,818
on the office across Harper

1217
00:50:08,818 --> 00:50:11,254
Street. If you look at your map

1218
00:50:11,254 --> 00:50:12,855
and I will have to say three

1219
00:50:12,855 --> 00:50:14,223
things, your pictures must have

1220
00:50:14,223 --> 00:50:15,492
been taken. I don

1221
00:50:15,492 --> 00:50:17,259
t know what

1222
00:50:17,259 --> 00:50:20,859
time of day it showed no

1223
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:23,933
traffic at all. And, um, the

1224
00:50:23,933 --> 00:50:26,269
office building that is built

1225
00:50:26,269 --> 00:50:28,380
there was heavily contested by

1226
00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:29,606
the entire neighborhood at that

1227
00:50:29,606 --> 00:50:31,975
time. It was during the 90s. It

1228
00:50:31,975 --> 00:50:34,243
was a tie three three vote. And

1229
00:50:34,243 --> 00:50:36,979
our previous mayor nine was tie

1230
00:50:36,979 --> 00:50:38,748
breaker. But, um, and there

1231
00:50:38,748 --> 00:50:40,849
used to be a surveying company

1232
00:50:40,849 --> 00:50:43,653
that was down the street. They

1233
00:50:43,653 --> 00:50:46,653
actually wrote a report that

1234
00:50:46,924 --> 00:50:48,157
talked about how, um, damaging

1235
00:50:48,157 --> 00:50:50,459
that office building was going

1236
00:50:50,459 --> 00:50:52,461
to be. Our neighborhood because

1237
00:50:52,461 --> 00:50:53,897
of water runoff, which is a

1238
00:50:53,897 --> 00:50:54,398
problem that we it

1239
00:50:54,398 --> 00:50:55,665
s our

1240
00:50:55,665 --> 00:50:57,467
neighborhood is downhill from

1241
00:50:57,467 --> 00:50:58,868
the country club. So we

1242
00:50:58,868 --> 00:51:00,536
constantly have a problem with

1243
00:51:00,536 --> 00:51:02,138
the runoff. I do know that the

1244
00:51:02,138 --> 00:51:02,873
state just passed a law about

1245
00:51:02,873 --> 00:51:03,439
the parking, so that

1246
00:51:03,439 --> 00:51:05,374
s great

1247
00:51:05,374 --> 00:51:06,750
that the permeable surfaces

1248
00:51:06,750 --> 00:51:07,210
surfaces won

1249
00:51:07,210 --> 00:51:09,610
t be a problem

1250
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:13,490
here. Um, but I will have to

1251
00:51:13,490 --> 00:51:16,490
say that the neighborhood, um,

1252
00:51:16,118 --> 00:51:18,518
surveying with the 500 radius,

1253
00:51:20,690 --> 00:51:22,326
um, and I find that very, um,

1254
00:51:22,326 --> 00:51:24,260
not substantial to get a good

1255
00:51:24,260 --> 00:51:26,530
opinion about what the people

1256
00:51:26,530 --> 00:51:29,865
in that area will be impacted

1257
00:51:29,865 --> 00:51:31,567
by this development. Um, I

1258
00:51:31,567 --> 00:51:33,700
understand and appreciate my

1259
00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:34,972
council person asking me

1260
00:51:34,972 --> 00:51:36,840
directly about the, um,

1261
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,407
furthering of, like what? That

1262
00:51:38,407 --> 00:51:39,910
you know, what the, um,

1263
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:42,310
limitations are on that

1264
00:51:42,745 --> 00:51:44,647
building. And, um, just my

1265
00:51:44,647 --> 00:51:46,884
concern and yesterday, it might

1266
00:51:46,884 --> 00:51:48,518
just be an office for one

1267
00:51:48,518 --> 00:51:49,685
lawyer, but who

1268
00:51:49,685 --> 00:51:49,986
s to say that

1269
00:51:49,986 --> 00:51:51,320
they don

1270
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,210
t care now and then?

1271
00:51:52,210 --> 00:51:52,521
Like you said, there

1272
00:51:52,521 --> 00:51:54,240
s nothing

1273
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:55,157
really good about that. And

1274
00:51:55,157 --> 00:51:55,291
then next thing you know, it

1275
00:51:55,291 --> 00:51:57,291
s

1276
00:51:57,294 --> 00:51:59,428
like a bait shop or whatever,

1277
00:51:59,428 --> 00:52:01,130
because that is high density. I

1278
00:52:01,130 --> 00:52:03,100
understand the high density

1279
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:03,266
area stops right there. So

1280
00:52:03,266 --> 00:52:05,266
we

1281
00:52:05,502 --> 00:52:08,572
re right on the border. Maps

1282
00:52:08,572 --> 00:52:13,372
also do not show that it is the

1283
00:52:13,376 --> 00:52:15,450
entrance for southbound False

1284
00:52:15,450 --> 00:52:17,347
Creek. And the off ramp of

1285
00:52:17,347 --> 00:52:17,548
House Creek on Harper Street.

1286
00:52:17,548 --> 00:52:19,416
There

1287
00:52:19,416 --> 00:52:22,416
s two streets that Harbor

1288
00:52:23,220 --> 00:52:24,988
Street does not have a direct

1289
00:52:24,988 --> 00:52:25,222
intersection. Do not meet up.

1290
00:52:25,222 --> 00:52:26,523
So it

1291
00:52:26,523 --> 00:52:26,722
s an offset intersection.

1292
00:52:26,722 --> 00:52:28,125
That

1293
00:52:28,125 --> 00:52:29,258
s where the light is. All

1294
00:52:29,258 --> 00:52:31,894
the residents that live in that

1295
00:52:31,894 --> 00:52:33,663
neighborhood cannot leave the

1296
00:52:33,663 --> 00:52:35,264
neighborhood except for through

1297
00:52:35,264 --> 00:52:36,166
that light. There

1298
00:52:36,166 --> 00:52:37,601
s no turning

1299
00:52:37,601 --> 00:52:38,701
on that light. You already

1300
00:52:38,701 --> 00:52:40,203
discussed about how much

1301
00:52:40,203 --> 00:52:40,970
traffic is. It? It

1302
00:52:40,970 --> 00:52:42,970
s almost an

1303
00:52:43,574 --> 00:52:45,442
access to that area. The other

1304
00:52:45,442 --> 00:52:47,878
street comes down that borders

1305
00:52:47,878 --> 00:52:50,180
that house is, um, political

1306
00:52:50,180 --> 00:52:52,281
drive, which is my street, and

1307
00:52:52,281 --> 00:52:54,217
I cannot leave my neighborhood

1308
00:52:54,217 --> 00:52:57,588
going on with Gail because the

1309
00:52:57,588 --> 00:52:58,188
traffic is such so backed up

1310
00:52:58,188 --> 00:52:59,389
there. There

1311
00:52:59,389 --> 00:53:01,230
s, you know, one

1312
00:53:01,230 --> 00:53:02,626
thing that goes east on Country

1313
00:53:02,626 --> 00:53:03,927
Club Road, one lane that goes

1314
00:53:03,927 --> 00:53:04,294
west on Country Road. There

1315
00:53:04,294 --> 00:53:06,294
s a

1316
00:53:06,330 --> 00:53:08,331
turning point in the middle.

1317
00:53:08,331 --> 00:53:11,331
That turning lane is often

1318
00:53:11,701 --> 00:53:14,701
backed up between, um, Arbor

1319
00:53:15,339 --> 00:53:17,241
Street and the street exits all

1320
00:53:17,241 --> 00:53:19,509
the way down past Colonial

1321
00:53:19,509 --> 00:53:21,377
Drive. So you cannot exit

1322
00:53:21,377 --> 00:53:22,112
Brookdale Drive going either

1323
00:53:22,112 --> 00:53:22,812
way because there

1324
00:53:22,812 --> 00:53:24,812
s turning

1325
00:53:25,816 --> 00:53:27,551
there that is hacked. Also, if

1326
00:53:27,551 --> 00:53:29,218
I wanted to go across Country

1327
00:53:29,218 --> 00:53:30,320
Club Road straight to

1328
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,255
Cloverdale, the other north

1329
00:53:32,255 --> 00:53:33,589
side of Cloverdale, there is no

1330
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:37,127
way to do that through the

1331
00:53:37,127 --> 00:53:38,362
traffic there. Again, I totally

1332
00:53:38,362 --> 00:53:40,330
understand that somebody wants

1333
00:53:40,330 --> 00:53:40,631
to put an office there. I think

1334
00:53:40,631 --> 00:53:41,732
that there

1335
00:53:41,732 --> 00:53:43,567
s a lot of office

1336
00:53:43,567 --> 00:53:46,503
space throughout the city that

1337
00:53:46,503 --> 00:53:48,505
you could find to pursue that.

1338
00:53:48,505 --> 00:53:51,700
Um, we are talking about that.

1339
00:53:51,700 --> 00:53:53,210
We need housing. So for people

1340
00:53:53,210 --> 00:53:53,377
to live in. So I think that

1341
00:53:53,377 --> 00:53:55,145
it

1342
00:53:55,145 --> 00:53:57,130
s been a house for since the

1343
00:53:57,130 --> 00:53:58,814
40s, it should continue to be a

1344
00:53:58,814 --> 00:54:01,218
house that is right at the

1345
00:54:01,218 --> 00:54:01,518
border of the. I

1346
00:54:01,518 --> 00:54:01,651
m sorry, I

1347
00:54:01,651 --> 00:54:03,530
m

1348
00:54:03,530 --> 00:54:03,853
not familiar with the terms,

1349
00:54:03,853 --> 00:54:05,521
but it

1350
00:54:05,521 --> 00:54:06,560
s right at the border of

1351
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,560
where you

1352
00:54:08,291 --> 00:54:10,561
re going to stop the

1353
00:54:10,561 --> 00:54:13,561
density of business on country

1354
00:54:14,163 --> 00:54:16,300
road going forward on the, you

1355
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:19,300
know, going into like across

1356
00:54:20,704 --> 00:54:23,307
our street, into the. That they

1357
00:54:23,307 --> 00:54:24,808
would never put that into. So

1358
00:54:24,808 --> 00:54:26,810
thank you for your time. Thank

1359
00:54:26,810 --> 00:54:29,680
you for all your services. Um,

1360
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:30,800
and I apologize because, um,

1361
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:31,140
that I wasn

1362
00:54:31,140 --> 00:54:33,414
t at the previous

1363
00:54:33,683 --> 00:54:35,719
meetings, but I have called

1364
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:36,919
every day. As soon as the sign

1365
00:54:36,919 --> 00:54:37,321
went up, I called. I

1366
00:54:37,321 --> 00:54:38,855
ve tried

1367
00:54:38,855 --> 00:54:40,424
to be as civically engaged as

1368
00:54:40,424 --> 00:54:41,925
possible. I went around and

1369
00:54:41,925 --> 00:54:43,492
surveyed my neighbors as much

1370
00:54:43,492 --> 00:54:45,929
as possible about the traffic

1371
00:54:45,929 --> 00:54:47,364
and about the situation. Um,

1372
00:54:47,364 --> 00:54:47,764
but I just I find that it

1373
00:54:47,764 --> 00:54:49,764
s

1374
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:53,403
just excessive to to make this

1375
00:54:53,403 --> 00:54:54,438
decision in favor of that. And

1376
00:54:54,438 --> 00:54:55,873
thank you for your time.

1377
00:54:55,873 --> 00:54:58,400
Appreciate you listening to me.

1378
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,609
Thank you very much. Anyone

1379
00:54:59,609 --> 00:55:02,609
else for the opposition? Yes,

1380
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:09,510
sir.

1381
00:55:09,419 --> 00:55:12,890
I live in Cliff Moore across

1382
00:55:12,890 --> 00:55:14,560
the street. Uh, at the time of

1383
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,159
this Planning Board hearing, I

1384
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:18,462
was actually living in Ardmore.

1385
00:55:18,462 --> 00:55:21,164
So my first knowledge of this

1386
00:55:21,164 --> 00:55:24,701
was the letter I got. Say, I

1387
00:55:24,701 --> 00:55:28,380
live with within 500ft. And to

1388
00:55:28,380 --> 00:55:30,508
be adhering tonight. Uh, I

1389
00:55:30,508 --> 00:55:33,410
talked to planning about this

1390
00:55:33,410 --> 00:55:33,577
and my concern is, is not what

1391
00:55:33,577 --> 00:55:35,460
we

1392
00:55:35,460 --> 00:55:37,800
re being told is going to be

1393
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,651
there. But in answer to my

1394
00:55:40,651 --> 00:55:42,786
question, yes, the House can be

1395
00:55:42,786 --> 00:55:45,856
torn down and an office built,

1396
00:55:45,856 --> 00:55:49,456
and that office can be 40ft

1397
00:55:50,694 --> 00:55:52,362
high. So my concern is not

1398
00:55:52,362 --> 00:55:54,762
necessarily what is being

1399
00:55:55,899 --> 00:55:58,301
proposed, but the potential of

1400
00:55:58,301 --> 00:55:59,937
what this is resolved can

1401
00:55:59,937 --> 00:56:01,937
happen. Thank you.

1402
00:56:02,206 --> 00:56:05,806
Thank you sir. Anyone else for

1403
00:56:07,100 --> 00:56:08,479
the opposition? Seeing anyone,

1404
00:56:08,479 --> 00:56:09,947
in the proponents, you can have

1405
00:56:09,947 --> 00:56:10,113
three minutes for any rebuttal

1406
00:56:10,113 --> 00:56:12,113
you

1407
00:56:19,690 --> 00:56:21,425
d like to present.

1408
00:56:21,425 --> 00:56:22,859
Um, I wanted to mention

1409
00:56:22,859 --> 00:56:24,695
something a little bit ago. I

1410
00:56:24,695 --> 00:56:26,463
know there are some concerns

1411
00:56:26,463 --> 00:56:27,865
about traffic, but one of the

1412
00:56:27,865 --> 00:56:29,733
things that made me think about

1413
00:56:29,733 --> 00:56:32,700
it, uh, I just received a

1414
00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:33,738
letter, um, maybe two weeks ago

1415
00:56:33,738 --> 00:56:35,405
about the going to tear the

1416
00:56:35,405 --> 00:56:37,408
bridge down, the one that are

1417
00:56:37,408 --> 00:56:38,609
concerning about it. And for

1418
00:56:38,609 --> 00:56:39,110
that, maybe I don

1419
00:56:39,110 --> 00:56:39,209
t know if

1420
00:56:39,209 --> 00:56:40,245
they

1421
00:56:40,245 --> 00:56:41,211
re going to do remodels

1422
00:56:41,211 --> 00:56:41,545
for the bridge. They

1423
00:56:41,545 --> 00:56:43,545
re going

1424
00:56:44,249 --> 00:56:46,830
to be make the bridge more, I

1425
00:56:46,830 --> 00:56:47,918
mean, concerned, I mean, do

1426
00:56:47,918 --> 00:56:50,787
something to remove to do that

1427
00:56:50,787 --> 00:56:52,422
traffic more easy.

1428
00:56:52,422 --> 00:56:52,991
Okay. The bridge over the

1429
00:56:52,991 --> 00:56:54,991
river.

1430
00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:56,930
Yeah. The one they saw scream..

1431
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:56,928
Right.

1432
00:56:56,928 --> 00:56:57,996
Thank you.

1433
00:56:57,996 --> 00:56:59,296
Thank you.

1434
00:56:59,296 --> 00:57:01,266
And thank you so much for your

1435
00:57:01,266 --> 00:57:01,865
help.

1436
00:57:01,865 --> 00:57:03,865
Thank you.

1437
00:57:04,736 --> 00:57:06,203
Oh my GOD. The address is 3606

1438
00:57:06,203 --> 00:57:08,203
Country Club Road.

1439
00:57:09,573 --> 00:57:12,377
Okay. Thank you. Ah. Anyone

1440
00:57:12,377 --> 00:57:14,111
else on rebuttal? Okay. Thank

1441
00:57:14,111 --> 00:57:15,345
you. The opposition would have

1442
00:57:15,345 --> 00:57:15,513
three minutes for rebuttal. If

1443
00:57:15,513 --> 00:57:16,980
you

1444
00:57:16,980 --> 00:57:20,580
d like to add anything else.

1445
00:57:21,452 --> 00:57:23,452
Okay. You

1446
00:57:23,888 --> 00:57:24,722
re good. There. Okay.

1447
00:57:24,722 --> 00:57:24,923
All right. Thank you. I

1448
00:57:24,923 --> 00:57:25,990
ll

1449
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:27,625
declare the public hearing

1450
00:57:27,625 --> 00:57:27,926
closed. And MISTER Murphy

1451
00:57:27,926 --> 00:57:29,326
s

1452
00:57:29,326 --> 00:57:31,261
already given basically the

1453
00:57:31,261 --> 00:57:33,310
report of the planning board. I

1454
00:57:33,310 --> 00:57:34,231
recognize a council member,

1455
00:57:34,231 --> 00:57:34,532
Andre Baldwin.

1456
00:57:34,532 --> 00:57:34,798
If you don

1457
00:57:34,798 --> 00:57:35,933
t mind, I

1458
00:57:35,933 --> 00:57:36,900
d like a

1459
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:37,680
couple more questions, if you

1460
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:38,570
don

1461
00:57:38,570 --> 00:57:40,471
t mind for MR. Murphy. Yes.

1462
00:57:40,471 --> 00:57:41,372
Thank you, sir. MR. Murphy, um,

1463
00:57:41,372 --> 00:57:42,906
there were a couple of things I

1464
00:57:42,906 --> 00:57:43,675
would like to just kind of make

1465
00:57:43,675 --> 00:57:45,675
sure that we

1466
00:57:47,544 --> 00:57:49,847
re clear on, um,

1467
00:57:49,847 --> 00:57:53,447
if this if this, this rezoning

1468
00:57:54,484 --> 00:57:54,686
goes through, um, the the

1469
00:57:54,686 --> 00:57:55,852
there

1470
00:57:55,852 --> 00:57:58,252
s a possibility of

1471
00:57:58,856 --> 00:58:00,190
allowing this to be a house

1472
00:58:00,190 --> 00:58:03,790
with a business attached to it.

1473
00:58:05,462 --> 00:58:06,496
Is that correct?

1474
00:58:06,496 --> 00:58:06,764
Let me make sure I understand

1475
00:58:06,764 --> 00:58:07,899
what you

1476
00:58:07,899 --> 00:58:09,299
re asking. Could could

1477
00:58:09,299 --> 00:58:10,435
it be used jointly as a

1478
00:58:10,435 --> 00:58:12,835
residence in an office?

1479
00:58:12,970 --> 00:58:13,738
Yes. Okay. And from the

1480
00:58:13,738 --> 00:58:14,606
conversation that I

1481
00:58:14,606 --> 00:58:15,380
ve had with

1482
00:58:15,380 --> 00:58:15,540
the person who

1483
00:58:15,540 --> 00:58:17,800
s making that

1484
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,911
proposal, that is what is being

1485
00:58:19,911 --> 00:58:22,800
proposed. Okay, um, and then

1486
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,148
there was a question about if

1487
00:58:24,148 --> 00:58:26,251
this if this goes through

1488
00:58:26,251 --> 00:58:29,119
building it one day, turning it

1489
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:31,550
into a larger office space, if

1490
00:58:31,550 --> 00:58:33,900
this if this does go through,

1491
00:58:33,900 --> 00:58:34,580
if there was proposed, if they

1492
00:58:34,580 --> 00:58:35,260
wanted to make it a larger

1493
00:58:35,260 --> 00:58:36,527
office space, it would have to

1494
00:58:36,527 --> 00:58:37,462
come back to be rezoned. Is

1495
00:58:37,462 --> 00:58:38,196
that correct?

1496
00:58:38,196 --> 00:58:39,329
Incorrect.

1497
00:58:39,329 --> 00:58:39,529
Okay. Please can you expand

1498
00:58:39,529 --> 00:58:39,831
that.

1499
00:58:39,831 --> 00:58:39,998
Because it

1500
00:58:39,998 --> 00:58:41,799
s, it

1501
00:58:41,799 --> 00:58:43,400
s a as long as

1502
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:44,903
they are not changing the uses.

1503
00:58:44,903 --> 00:58:45,769
In other words, if this were to

1504
00:58:45,769 --> 00:58:45,970
get approved tonight, they

1505
00:58:45,970 --> 00:58:47,572
ve

1506
00:58:47,572 --> 00:58:49,440
asked for offices, adult

1507
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,976
daycare or home, adult daycare

1508
00:58:51,976 --> 00:58:53,610
center, child care home drop in

1509
00:58:53,610 --> 00:58:53,978
single family residential. As

1510
00:58:53,978 --> 00:58:55,978
long as it

1511
00:58:56,614 --> 00:58:56,815
s one of those uses.

1512
00:58:56,815 --> 00:58:58,815
There

1513
00:58:59,820 --> 00:59:01,482
s nothing that requires

1514
00:59:01,619 --> 00:59:03,221
that building to stay there. So

1515
00:59:03,221 --> 00:59:06,240
if this were approved tonight

1516
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,425
and they move in there and they

1517
00:59:07,425 --> 00:59:08,927
have an office for several

1518
00:59:08,927 --> 00:59:10,261
years and then decide, hey, you

1519
00:59:10,261 --> 00:59:12,664
know, I think we could do a

1520
00:59:12,664 --> 00:59:14,232
bigger office. And they tear

1521
00:59:14,232 --> 00:59:17,402
the building down and build a

1522
00:59:17,402 --> 00:59:18,368
two three story office,

1523
00:59:18,368 --> 00:59:20,405
assuming they could fill in a

1524
00:59:20,405 --> 00:59:22,140
lot with the setbacks, they

1525
00:59:22,140 --> 00:59:23,308
could do that, and it would not

1526
00:59:23,308 --> 00:59:23,875
have to come back before this

1527
00:59:23,875 --> 00:59:24,708
board because it

1528
00:59:24,708 --> 00:59:26,611
s a limited

1529
00:59:26,611 --> 00:59:28,478
use request, not a special use

1530
00:59:28,478 --> 00:59:30,882
request that ties it to a site

1531
00:59:30,882 --> 00:59:32,149
plan, a specific development

1532
00:59:32,149 --> 00:59:32,550
approval. That

1533
00:59:32,550 --> 00:59:32,984
s that

1534
00:59:32,984 --> 00:59:34,620
s not

1535
00:59:34,620 --> 00:59:35,152
what this does. This is limited

1536
00:59:35,152 --> 00:59:35,920
use. So you

1537
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,789
re just looking at

1538
00:59:37,789 --> 00:59:39,789
the uses.

1539
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:46,264
Okay. Thank you. Okay. Um,

1540
00:59:46,264 --> 00:59:48,264
let

1541
00:59:50,768 --> 00:59:51,200
s get the right one. Well,

1542
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,102
I don

1543
00:59:52,102 --> 00:59:52,370
t know the deal. Uh, I

1544
00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:53,738
guess I

1545
00:59:53,738 --> 00:59:55,380
ll go ahead. I move for

1546
00:59:55,380 --> 00:59:56,641
approval of one. The statement

1547
00:59:56,641 --> 00:59:58,109
of consistency for the move,

1548
00:59:58,109 --> 01:00:01,709
the approval of this item. And

1549
01:00:01,946 --> 01:00:02,981
two, 3693.

1550
01:00:02,981 --> 01:00:04,450
Thank you. Is there a second?

1551
01:00:04,450 --> 01:00:06,217
Second. Second. Counselor.

1552
01:00:06,217 --> 01:00:08,219
Scipio. Councilmember Clark and

1553
01:00:08,219 --> 01:00:09,654
Councilmember Joyner. Yes. I am

1554
01:00:09,654 --> 01:00:11,956
the COUNCILMAN Across the

1555
01:00:11,956 --> 01:00:12,590
street. I don

1556
01:00:12,590 --> 01:00:13,825
t have any

1557
01:00:13,825 --> 01:00:16,600
trouble. If someone wanted to

1558
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:17,562
use the house as an office, but

1559
01:00:17,562 --> 01:00:19,697
if it was me, I would have put

1560
01:00:19,697 --> 01:00:22,697
restrictions on what you could

1561
01:00:23,968 --> 01:00:24,334
do. Uh, this is a third of an

1562
01:00:24,334 --> 01:00:25,690
acre. I don

1563
01:00:25,690 --> 01:00:26,136
t know how big an

1564
01:00:26,136 --> 01:00:28,106
office building you could put

1565
01:00:28,106 --> 01:00:29,707
in. Raleigh just did away with

1566
01:00:29,707 --> 01:00:32,107
all the parking requirements.

1567
01:00:32,944 --> 01:00:34,112
So, um, since there are not any

1568
01:00:34,112 --> 01:00:36,140
restrictions, you could tear it

1569
01:00:36,140 --> 01:00:37,248
down and put up a larger office

1570
01:00:37,248 --> 01:00:38,716
building. I will have to vote

1571
01:00:38,716 --> 01:00:40,618
no. That

1572
01:00:40,618 --> 01:00:42,618
s where. Joyner.

1573
01:00:43,821 --> 01:00:46,457
Thank you. Mayor. I, um, I

1574
01:00:46,457 --> 01:00:47,459
really feel that in most cases,

1575
01:00:47,459 --> 01:00:48,860
someone should be able to do

1576
01:00:48,860 --> 01:00:51,663
what they want to do with their

1577
01:00:51,663 --> 01:00:54,650
property. But in a residential

1578
01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:57,650
neighborhood, and as the woman

1579
01:00:58,136 --> 01:01:00,905
said, uh, we are strapped for

1580
01:01:00,905 --> 01:01:03,905
spaces to put housing. And

1581
01:01:04,700 --> 01:01:05,944
under the original idea of a

1582
01:01:05,944 --> 01:01:08,146
plan for this property, it

1583
01:01:08,146 --> 01:01:10,480
would be great. Um, because it

1584
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:11,549
could be a resident and an

1585
01:01:11,549 --> 01:01:12,500
office. But that

1586
01:01:12,500 --> 01:01:14,170
s no

1587
01:01:14,170 --> 01:01:16,417
guarantee. Five years, five

1588
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:18,490
months or 50 years. But the

1589
01:01:18,490 --> 01:01:20,625
thing that we know, five

1590
01:01:20,625 --> 01:01:23,428
months, five years or 50 is

1591
01:01:23,428 --> 01:01:25,931
that we need housing. So for

1592
01:01:25,931 --> 01:01:29,334
that, as much as I believe

1593
01:01:29,334 --> 01:01:31,135
entrepreneurship is a a

1594
01:01:31,135 --> 01:01:33,104
stronghold and something that

1595
01:01:33,104 --> 01:01:35,206
needs to be, I would have to

1596
01:01:35,206 --> 01:01:37,606
vote no for this.

1597
01:01:38,109 --> 01:01:39,177
Okay. Thank you very much. Just

1598
01:01:39,177 --> 01:01:40,445
do we have a motion to approve

1599
01:01:40,445 --> 01:01:41,814
the rezoning? All those in

1600
01:01:41,814 --> 01:01:43,615
favor of the rezoning, please

1601
01:01:43,615 --> 01:01:46,615
vote yes. Anyone opposed? Vote

1602
01:01:55,261 --> 01:01:57,562
no. Motion passes 5 to 3. Five

1603
01:01:57,562 --> 01:01:59,698
in favor of three. Opposed.

1604
01:01:59,698 --> 01:02:02,980
Thank you. Councilmember Bone.

1605
01:02:02,467 --> 01:02:04,203
All right. Item g ten.

1606
01:02:04,203 --> 01:02:05,470
Item g ten. Public hearing and

1607
01:02:05,470 --> 01:02:07,539
consideration of a zoning

1608
01:02:07,539 --> 01:02:09,939
petition of Andrea Adams

1609
01:02:11,776 --> 01:02:14,646
Strickland w 3694 from Rs 12 to

1610
01:02:14,646 --> 01:02:16,181
hbl properties located on North

1611
01:02:16,181 --> 01:02:18,160
on the northeast intersection

1612
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,250
of University Parkway and Laura

1613
01:02:19,250 --> 01:02:21,250
Avenue, containing

1614
01:02:21,921 --> 01:02:23,921
approximately 0.9 acres.

1615
01:02:24,622 --> 01:02:26,424
Located in the northeast Ward.

1616
01:02:26,424 --> 01:02:28,126
Thank you. Is there anyone in

1617
01:02:28,126 --> 01:02:31,726
the chamber who is opposed to

1618
01:02:33,932 --> 01:02:34,166
this rezoning? See no one. I

1619
01:02:34,166 --> 01:02:35,401
ll

1620
01:02:35,401 --> 01:02:36,468
declare the public hearing

1621
01:02:36,468 --> 01:02:38,468
closed and recognized.

1622
01:02:40,171 --> 01:02:42,171
Councilmember Burke.

1623
01:02:42,173 --> 01:02:43,775
I move for the approval of one.

1624
01:02:43,775 --> 01:02:45,578
The statement of consistency

1625
01:02:45,578 --> 01:02:49,178
for the approval of this item.

1626
01:02:49,547 --> 01:02:51,547
And two w-3694.

1627
01:02:51,683 --> 01:02:55,283
Second second by Mayor Pro Tem

1628
01:02:55,487 --> 01:02:56,689
Adams. Any discussion questions?

1629
01:02:56,689 --> 01:02:58,123
No. Those opposed the motion.

1630
01:02:58,123 --> 01:03:01,123
Please indicate by voting yes.

1631
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:03,695
Anyone opposed? Vote no. And

1632
01:03:03,695 --> 01:03:06,695
that is unanimous. Thank you.

1633
01:03:07,660 --> 01:03:09,000
Councilmember Burke. Item g 11.

1634
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,735
Item g 11 public hearing and

1635
01:03:10,735 --> 01:03:12,304
Consideration of an Elected

1636
01:03:12,304 --> 01:03:14,607
Body. Special Use Permit

1637
01:03:14,607 --> 01:03:17,607
petition of w Sanders, Moseley

1638
01:03:17,977 --> 01:03:19,644
and Elizabeth Moseley. W 3691.

1639
01:03:19,644 --> 01:03:21,981
Property is located on the west

1640
01:03:21,981 --> 01:03:23,381
side of Chatham Road, north of

1641
01:03:23,381 --> 01:03:25,381
Buxton Street, containing

1642
01:03:26,418 --> 01:03:28,418
approximately 1.93 acres.

1643
01:03:28,686 --> 01:03:30,588
Northwest Ward.

1644
01:03:30,588 --> 01:03:32,224
Thank you. As mentioned, this

1645
01:03:32,224 --> 01:03:32,591
is a public hearing regarding

1646
01:03:32,591 --> 01:03:33,592
the petitioner

1647
01:03:33,592 --> 01:03:35,529
s application

1648
01:03:35,529 --> 01:03:36,929
for a special use permit for

1649
01:03:36,929 --> 01:03:39,300
the establishment of an outdoor

1650
01:03:39,300 --> 01:03:41,934
enclosure for a kennel, indoor

1651
01:03:41,934 --> 01:03:43,334
use, and a g1 zoning district.

1652
01:03:43,334 --> 01:03:44,870
The process of approving the

1653
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:47,339
issuance of a special use

1654
01:03:47,339 --> 01:03:48,907
permit is quasi judicial, which

1655
01:03:48,907 --> 01:03:50,977
requires speakers for this item

1656
01:03:50,977 --> 01:03:52,711
to speak under oath. Speakers

1657
01:03:52,711 --> 01:03:54,547
should also rely only on their

1658
01:03:54,547 --> 01:03:55,981
own information, and not based

1659
01:03:55,981 --> 01:03:58,384
on remarks on what someone else

1660
01:03:58,384 --> 01:03:59,617
has said or knows the applicant

1661
01:03:59,617 --> 01:04:00,952
or other witnesses have the

1662
01:04:00,952 --> 01:04:03,880
right to ask questions of each

1663
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:04,823
other. All testimony and

1664
01:04:04,823 --> 01:04:06,292
evidence relate must relate to

1665
01:04:06,292 --> 01:04:08,494
the four findings of fact that

1666
01:04:08,494 --> 01:04:10,663
the Council must make as it

1667
01:04:10,663 --> 01:04:12,765
relates to this quasi judicial

1668
01:04:12,765 --> 01:04:14,165
hearing. Council is prohibited

1669
01:04:14,165 --> 01:04:15,901
from considering opinion

1670
01:04:15,901 --> 01:04:17,802
testimony from non-expert

1671
01:04:17,802 --> 01:04:19,138
Witnesses, in particular

1672
01:04:19,138 --> 01:04:21,173
testimony as to how the

1673
01:04:21,173 --> 01:04:22,600
proposed use would impact the

1674
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:23,742
value of neighboring

1675
01:04:23,742 --> 01:04:25,377
properties. Additionally,

1676
01:04:25,377 --> 01:04:26,644
counsel must only consider

1677
01:04:26,644 --> 01:04:28,414
evidence provided at the

1678
01:04:28,414 --> 01:04:29,648
hearing. Communications with

1679
01:04:29,648 --> 01:04:30,816
members of the City Council

1680
01:04:30,816 --> 01:04:32,384
outside of the hearing are

1681
01:04:32,384 --> 01:04:34,784
prohibited and must be

1682
01:04:34,886 --> 01:04:36,922
disclosed if. The four findings

1683
01:04:36,922 --> 01:04:38,591
of fact are going to be shown

1684
01:04:38,591 --> 01:04:42,695
on the screen here in a moment.

1685
01:04:42,695 --> 01:04:44,864
I think. Um, the process

1686
01:04:44,864 --> 01:04:46,932
requires that the City council

1687
01:04:46,932 --> 01:04:48,300
issue a special permit only

1688
01:04:48,300 --> 01:04:49,969
when it is able to make an

1689
01:04:49,969 --> 01:04:51,769
affirmative finding. As to each

1690
01:04:51,769 --> 01:04:53,720
of the four findings. The

1691
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:54,940
applicant has the burden of

1692
01:04:54,940 --> 01:04:57,900
proof as to the second and

1693
01:04:57,900 --> 01:04:58,244
third findings. The opposition

1694
01:04:58,244 --> 01:05:00,145
has the burden of proof with

1695
01:05:00,145 --> 01:05:02,882
respect to the first and fourth

1696
01:05:02,882 --> 01:05:04,182
finding. Uh, anyone who wishes

1697
01:05:04,182 --> 01:05:05,584
to speak on this item should

1698
01:05:05,584 --> 01:05:09,184
come forward right now and be

1699
01:05:21,601 --> 01:05:23,601
sworn in.

1700
01:05:31,544 --> 01:05:33,144
Do I come up now? Yes.

1701
01:05:33,144 --> 01:05:33,846
All opposition..

1702
01:05:33,846 --> 01:05:34,413
Well, anyone that

1703
01:05:34,413 --> 01:05:36,413
s taking

1704
01:05:37,616 --> 01:05:38,317
opposition.

1705
01:05:38,317 --> 01:05:39,417
Opposition?

1706
01:05:39,417 --> 01:05:41,417
Yes, everybody. That

1707
01:05:43,155 --> 01:05:45,155
s.

1708
01:05:46,891 --> 01:05:51,910
So you all can maybe all share.

1709
01:05:52,797 --> 01:05:55,301
Yeah. Yeah. Well. Okay. What?

1710
01:05:55,301 --> 01:05:56,634
Can you hold that? Um.

1711
01:05:56,634 --> 01:05:58,336
City clerk.

1712
01:05:58,336 --> 01:06:01,336
Left hand on the Bible?

1713
01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:03,475
Yes. Oh, there we go. We get

1714
01:06:03,475 --> 01:06:03,642
everybody.

1715
01:06:03,642 --> 01:06:04,343
He

1716
01:06:04,343 --> 01:06:04,510
s an attorney. He doesn

1717
01:06:04,510 --> 01:06:05,144
t

1718
01:06:05,144 --> 01:06:06,178
have to be sworn.

1719
01:06:06,178 --> 01:06:06,679
Okay.

1720
01:06:06,679 --> 01:06:08,679
All right.

1721
01:06:09,381 --> 01:06:10,983
So do you solemnly swear or

1722
01:06:10,983 --> 01:06:12,351
affirm that the statements that

1723
01:06:12,351 --> 01:06:13,552
you are about to make are the

1724
01:06:13,552 --> 01:06:14,821
truth, the whole truth, and

1725
01:06:14,821 --> 01:06:15,688
nothing but the truth, so help

1726
01:06:15,688 --> 01:06:16,889
you GOD?

1727
01:06:16,889 --> 01:06:17,623
I do.

1728
01:06:17,623 --> 01:06:19,623
All right.

1729
01:06:19,626 --> 01:06:20,259
All right. Thank you very much.

1730
01:06:20,259 --> 01:06:20,859
Council members, I

1731
01:06:20,859 --> 01:06:22,859
d asked at

1732
01:06:22,895 --> 01:06:24,863
this point if any of you had

1733
01:06:24,863 --> 01:06:26,732
any ex-parte communications on

1734
01:06:26,732 --> 01:06:27,733
this item, and if if so, would

1735
01:06:27,733 --> 01:06:28,434
you disclose it? Councilmember

1736
01:06:28,434 --> 01:06:29,868
Hall?

1737
01:06:29,868 --> 01:06:30,368
Um, thank you, Mayor Jones.

1738
01:06:30,368 --> 01:06:32,368
I did.

1739
01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:36,500
Receive an email on Friday,

1740
01:06:36,542 --> 01:06:38,942
AUGUST the 14th, 2026 at 4:21

1741
01:06:39,211 --> 01:06:41,647
P.M. I am happy to share that

1742
01:06:41,647 --> 01:06:43,983
email for the record. Um, I did

1743
01:06:43,983 --> 01:06:46,185
not respond to the email, but,

1744
01:06:46,185 --> 01:06:48,821
um, I need to disclose it based

1745
01:06:48,821 --> 01:06:48,954
off of what you just read. So

1746
01:06:48,954 --> 01:06:50,490
I

1747
01:06:50,490 --> 01:06:52,224
m happy to read the the email

1748
01:06:52,224 --> 01:06:53,459
in its entirety. City attorney,

1749
01:06:53,459 --> 01:06:55,427
if you would like me to or just

1750
01:06:55,427 --> 01:06:57,230
to note, um, who the email was

1751
01:06:57,230 --> 01:06:58,530
from and the date and time

1752
01:06:58,530 --> 01:06:59,665
spent.

1753
01:06:59,665 --> 01:07:01,667
Um, Councilmember Hall, if you

1754
01:07:01,667 --> 01:07:02,935
could just, um, summarize the

1755
01:07:02,935 --> 01:07:04,370
email and then give it to the

1756
01:07:04,370 --> 01:07:05,272
clerk for the record.

1757
01:07:05,272 --> 01:07:05,938
Um, I think that would be

1758
01:07:05,938 --> 01:07:07,938
sufficient.

1759
01:07:08,707 --> 01:07:11,100
Okay. Um, so I did receive an

1760
01:07:11,100 --> 01:07:13,547
email from a constituent, uh, a

1761
01:07:13,547 --> 01:07:16,181
resident of the northwest Ward.

1762
01:07:16,181 --> 01:07:19,181
Um, Frank Frye, on Friday,

1763
01:07:19,418 --> 01:07:20,653
AUGUST 14th at 4:21 P.M.. Um,

1764
01:07:20,653 --> 01:07:22,655
wanting to express his

1765
01:07:22,655 --> 01:07:25,550
opposition to the outdoor

1766
01:07:25,926 --> 01:07:28,294
kennel proposal at 740 Chatham

1767
01:07:28,294 --> 01:07:30,296
Road. Uh, and that he knows

1768
01:07:30,296 --> 01:07:31,898
several property owners on West

1769
01:07:31,898 --> 01:07:34,298
End Boulevard overlooking the

1770
01:07:35,768 --> 01:07:39,380
site, uh, who also oppose the

1771
01:07:39,380 --> 01:07:41,600
proposed use.

1772
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,142
Okay. Matter of record. Thank

1773
01:07:43,142 --> 01:07:45,345
you. And Councillor Warner.

1774
01:07:45,345 --> 01:07:46,780
Thank you. Mayor. Um, before,

1775
01:07:46,780 --> 01:07:49,140
uh, council meeting started

1776
01:07:49,140 --> 01:07:51,217
this evening, I did encounter

1777
01:07:51,217 --> 01:07:54,454
and speak cordially with one of

1778
01:07:54,454 --> 01:07:57,457
the residents of that area who

1779
01:07:57,457 --> 01:07:59,526
is here for, uh, to oppose it.

1780
01:07:59,526 --> 01:08:03,126
We did not have a conversation

1781
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,765
about it. Um, I was told why

1782
01:08:06,765 --> 01:08:08,301
they were here. I acknowledged

1783
01:08:08,301 --> 01:08:09,768
that, and we moved on.

1784
01:08:09,768 --> 01:08:11,870
Okay. Thank you. COUNCILMAN

1785
01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:13,772
Clark. I go to church with the

1786
01:08:13,772 --> 01:08:15,609
petitioner. Petitioner,

1787
01:08:15,609 --> 01:08:18,378
whatever, but he and I have not

1788
01:08:18,378 --> 01:08:18,778
discussed it. Thank you for it.

1789
01:08:18,778 --> 01:08:19,612
All right, we

1790
01:08:19,612 --> 01:08:21,470
ll move forward

1791
01:08:21,470 --> 01:08:22,448
then. Um, Councilor Murphy, you

1792
01:08:22,448 --> 01:08:25,150
want to Council member MR.

1793
01:08:25,150 --> 01:08:25,551
Murphy? We have. You take a pay

1794
01:08:25,551 --> 01:08:27,200
cut.

1795
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:28,787
Oh, yeah.

1796
01:08:28,787 --> 01:08:31,324
See that for it, please?

1797
01:08:31,324 --> 01:08:33,250
Yes. Uh, the this is a request

1798
01:08:33,250 --> 01:08:34,994
to, uh, for a special use

1799
01:08:34,994 --> 01:08:35,929
permit for 1.93 acres located

1800
01:08:35,929 --> 01:08:37,162
on the west side of the Chatham

1801
01:08:37,162 --> 01:08:38,265
Road, north of Buxton Street,

1802
01:08:38,265 --> 01:08:39,599
and again located in the

1803
01:08:39,599 --> 01:08:40,266
northwest ward. It

1804
01:08:40,266 --> 01:08:41,902
s an elected

1805
01:08:41,902 --> 01:08:43,200
body. Special use permit for

1806
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,104
the establishment of the

1807
01:08:45,104 --> 01:08:47,104
outdoor enclosure. Enclosure

1808
01:08:47,740 --> 01:08:48,708
for a kennel, indoor use in gis

1809
01:08:48,708 --> 01:08:50,710
zoning district. And I want to

1810
01:08:50,710 --> 01:08:52,745
make that distinction because a

1811
01:08:52,745 --> 01:08:55,214
kennel indoor use is allowed in

1812
01:08:55,214 --> 01:08:55,715
gi zoning by right. Uh, but

1813
01:08:55,715 --> 01:08:56,783
there there

1814
01:08:56,783 --> 01:08:58,618
s a proposal for an

1815
01:08:58,618 --> 01:08:59,619
outdoor run as part of the

1816
01:08:59,619 --> 01:08:59,986
indoor kennel. And that

1817
01:08:59,986 --> 01:09:01,221
s what

1818
01:09:01,221 --> 01:09:02,289
requires the special use

1819
01:09:02,289 --> 01:09:02,822
permit. So this is not a

1820
01:09:02,822 --> 01:09:03,490
rezoning. It

1821
01:09:03,490 --> 01:09:04,991
s a special use

1822
01:09:04,991 --> 01:09:07,893
permit for the establishment of

1823
01:09:07,893 --> 01:09:10,130
the outdoor kennel with outdoor

1824
01:09:10,130 --> 01:09:10,263
run as part of the kennel. I

1825
01:09:10,263 --> 01:09:10,963
m

1826
01:09:10,963 --> 01:09:12,165
not going to go over the

1827
01:09:12,165 --> 01:09:15,101
findings again. I will get to

1828
01:09:15,101 --> 01:09:17,136
those at the conclusion. Uh,

1829
01:09:17,136 --> 01:09:18,705
again, we treat this similar to

1830
01:09:18,705 --> 01:09:21,174
a rezoning case. So we do kind

1831
01:09:21,174 --> 01:09:22,775
of show you the property in its

1832
01:09:22,775 --> 01:09:25,100
situation. On the growth

1833
01:09:25,100 --> 01:09:26,613
management area plan map. It is

1834
01:09:26,613 --> 01:09:28,470
located within gma two, in the

1835
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:29,882
urban neighborhoods just on the

1836
01:09:29,882 --> 01:09:32,819
fringe of gma one, but it is

1837
01:09:32,819 --> 01:09:34,754
located within gma two, which

1838
01:09:34,754 --> 01:09:36,220
is urban neighborhoods. This is

1839
01:09:36,220 --> 01:09:37,724
a subject property highlighted

1840
01:09:37,724 --> 01:09:41,427
in yellow. Again, you do see it

1841
01:09:41,427 --> 01:09:42,996
is on the north side of where

1842
01:09:42,996 --> 01:09:45,996
West End Boulevard. Kind of,

1843
01:09:46,166 --> 01:09:48,101
uh, traverses the area. Uh, it

1844
01:09:48,101 --> 01:09:49,603
is on the edge of the Ho

1845
01:09:49,603 --> 01:09:52,305
district, but not in the Ho

1846
01:09:52,305 --> 01:09:53,706
district. Chatham Road is a

1847
01:09:53,706 --> 01:09:55,809
road that kind of transitions

1848
01:09:55,809 --> 01:09:58,809
from, uh, I think Crystal

1849
01:09:59,579 --> 01:10:02,482
towers and the, um, substation.

1850
01:10:02,482 --> 01:10:05,418
And it kind of goes into the

1851
01:10:05,418 --> 01:10:06,953
traditional industrial area to

1852
01:10:06,953 --> 01:10:09,560
the north there along Northwest

1853
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,920
Boulevard, you have the Heinz

1854
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:12,692
plant there on the right. Uh,

1855
01:10:12,692 --> 01:10:14,627
this was an old industrial

1856
01:10:14,627 --> 01:10:16,363
building. Its last use that we

1857
01:10:16,363 --> 01:10:17,963
have recorded as an approved

1858
01:10:17,963 --> 01:10:20,467
use was as a church, probably

1859
01:10:20,467 --> 01:10:21,334
in the in the 2000 through the

1860
01:10:21,334 --> 01:10:22,168
early 20 tens. I

1861
01:10:22,168 --> 01:10:22,335
m not sure if

1862
01:10:22,335 --> 01:10:23,770
it

1863
01:10:23,770 --> 01:10:23,936
s been vacant, how long it

1864
01:10:23,936 --> 01:10:25,138
s

1865
01:10:25,138 --> 01:10:26,373
been vacant, but it had been

1866
01:10:26,373 --> 01:10:28,474
used as a church. But again,

1867
01:10:28,474 --> 01:10:30,343
you do see there is a a lot of

1868
01:10:30,343 --> 01:10:31,711
various zoning classifications

1869
01:10:31,711 --> 01:10:35,148
in the area. But again, this is

1870
01:10:35,148 --> 01:10:36,616
on ge General Industrial. The

1871
01:10:36,616 --> 01:10:39,616
aerial photo there again you

1872
01:10:40,554 --> 01:10:42,455
see the um the area primarily

1873
01:10:42,455 --> 01:10:45,455
residential to the south and

1874
01:10:45,659 --> 01:10:48,590
southwest, uh, industrial and

1875
01:10:49,950 --> 01:10:51,495
uh, redevelopment of previously

1876
01:10:51,531 --> 01:10:53,432
used industrial areas there on

1877
01:10:53,432 --> 01:10:55,569
to the north, uh, on the west

1878
01:10:55,569 --> 01:10:56,770
side of Chatham Road. Again,

1879
01:10:56,770 --> 01:10:57,804
you see, there is an existing

1880
01:10:57,804 --> 01:10:58,371
building here. You

1881
01:10:58,371 --> 01:11:00,371
ll see those

1882
01:11:01,341 --> 01:11:03,443
in the site, photos. Uh, this

1883
01:11:03,443 --> 01:11:05,110
is the subject property shown

1884
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:06,947
on the south central

1885
01:11:06,947 --> 01:11:08,949
Winston-Salem area Plan update.

1886
01:11:08,949 --> 01:11:10,550
It does recognize this again as

1887
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:12,219
an institutional use, because

1888
01:11:12,219 --> 01:11:14,421
whenever the plan was done, at

1889
01:11:14,421 --> 01:11:16,189
least probably 11 years ago,

1890
01:11:16,189 --> 01:11:17,257
this was still being used as a

1891
01:11:17,257 --> 01:11:18,692
church, even though it was

1892
01:11:18,692 --> 01:11:20,920
zoned industrial. But again, it

1893
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:21,861
is adjacent to an extensive

1894
01:11:21,861 --> 01:11:24,861
area zoned for light industrial

1895
01:11:25,899 --> 01:11:27,300
and general industrial. Uh,

1896
01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:28,369
this is looking south along

1897
01:11:28,369 --> 01:11:29,603
Chatham Road. The subject

1898
01:11:29,603 --> 01:11:31,605
property is to the right. You

1899
01:11:31,605 --> 01:11:33,674
do see the special use permit

1900
01:11:33,674 --> 01:11:35,609
sign posted there along Chatham

1901
01:11:35,609 --> 01:11:38,411
Road in the background. There

1902
01:11:38,411 --> 01:11:39,380
you see the Mac and the Winston

1903
01:11:39,380 --> 01:11:39,580
Tower building. You don

1904
01:11:39,580 --> 01:11:41,470
t

1905
01:11:41,470 --> 01:11:42,483
really see Crystal towers from

1906
01:11:42,483 --> 01:11:45,452
here, but it is just up the

1907
01:11:45,452 --> 01:11:46,953
hill. Uh, this is looking north

1908
01:11:46,953 --> 01:11:48,880
along Chatham Road. The subject

1909
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:49,723
property is to the left. You

1910
01:11:49,723 --> 01:11:50,458
see the railroad? Um, they

1911
01:11:50,458 --> 01:11:51,524
re

1912
01:11:51,524 --> 01:11:52,826
about the middle of the image.

1913
01:11:52,826 --> 01:11:54,895
You see the railroad crossing

1914
01:11:54,895 --> 01:11:57,895
on Chatham Road? Um, the

1915
01:11:58,298 --> 01:11:59,733
signage, uh, this is behind the

1916
01:11:59,733 --> 01:12:01,302
building in question. This is

1917
01:12:01,302 --> 01:12:02,802
the location of the proposed

1918
01:12:02,802 --> 01:12:04,704
outdoor enclosure. Again, this

1919
01:12:04,704 --> 01:12:06,973
is an existing building, zoned

1920
01:12:06,973 --> 01:12:08,740
industrial allows the use. But

1921
01:12:08,740 --> 01:12:09,342
this is where the outdoor

1922
01:12:09,342 --> 01:12:10,945
kennel would take place on the

1923
01:12:10,945 --> 01:12:13,945
backside of that building. The

1924
01:12:14,314 --> 01:12:15,649
outdoor enclosure. Um, this is

1925
01:12:15,649 --> 01:12:18,285
looking south from the outdoor

1926
01:12:18,285 --> 01:12:19,786
enclosure. Uh, looking into the

1927
01:12:19,786 --> 01:12:21,922
West End neighborhood on top of

1928
01:12:21,922 --> 01:12:22,550
the hill. So again, they

1929
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:23,490
re

1930
01:12:23,490 --> 01:12:26,426
single family homes up there

1931
01:12:26,426 --> 01:12:28,261
that would look down onto the

1932
01:12:28,261 --> 01:12:31,261
rear of this project and

1933
01:12:31,831 --> 01:12:33,233
property. Uh, this is looking

1934
01:12:33,233 --> 01:12:34,734
southeast from the back of the

1935
01:12:34,734 --> 01:12:35,870
paved area. Enclosure would be

1936
01:12:35,870 --> 01:12:36,703
on the left side of the image.

1937
01:12:36,703 --> 01:12:37,872
And again, the West End

1938
01:12:37,872 --> 01:12:41,472
Historic District is on top of

1939
01:12:41,709 --> 01:12:42,776
the hill. And this is just

1940
01:12:42,776 --> 01:12:44,377
looking at the main parking

1941
01:12:44,377 --> 01:12:45,545
area there on the south side of

1942
01:12:45,545 --> 01:12:46,112
that existing industrial

1943
01:12:46,112 --> 01:12:46,646
building. But that

1944
01:12:46,646 --> 01:12:48,114
s where the

1945
01:12:48,114 --> 01:12:51,986
hill is. That goes up to the

1946
01:12:51,986 --> 01:12:53,287
west end. Uh, this is a site

1947
01:12:53,287 --> 01:12:54,654
plan. Uh, again, it

1948
01:12:54,654 --> 01:12:55,989
s basically

1949
01:12:55,989 --> 01:12:57,591
most of it is cleaning the site

1950
01:12:57,591 --> 01:12:59,292
up and re utilizing the

1951
01:12:59,292 --> 01:13:00,594
existing facility, there MAY be

1952
01:13:00,594 --> 01:13:02,280
a slight expansion of the

1953
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,265
parking on that south side. I

1954
01:13:05,265 --> 01:13:07,568
will let the, uh, petitioner

1955
01:13:07,568 --> 01:13:08,936
and, uh, folks representing the

1956
01:13:08,936 --> 01:13:09,103
petitioner speak to that. I

1957
01:13:09,103 --> 01:13:10,704
can

1958
01:13:10,704 --> 01:13:12,339
t 100% say whether or not

1959
01:13:12,339 --> 01:13:14,609
this is all existing parking on

1960
01:13:14,609 --> 01:13:15,709
that south side or not. You do

1961
01:13:15,709 --> 01:13:15,976
see some, I believe that

1962
01:13:15,976 --> 01:13:17,976
s some

1963
01:13:18,112 --> 01:13:20,213
proposed asphalt. Uh, excuse

1964
01:13:20,213 --> 01:13:22,249
me? Concrete walkways. And then

1965
01:13:22,249 --> 01:13:23,783
you do see the proposed outdoor

1966
01:13:23,783 --> 01:13:24,818
enclosure labeled there on the

1967
01:13:24,818 --> 01:13:24,985
right side of that building.

1968
01:13:24,985 --> 01:13:26,286
It

1969
01:13:26,286 --> 01:13:27,488
s a 5100 square foot

1970
01:13:27,488 --> 01:13:29,888
enclosure, along with some

1971
01:13:30,191 --> 01:13:32,726
fencing and other things, uh,

1972
01:13:32,726 --> 01:13:35,726
specified by the Udo. Again,

1973
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:37,564
there are, um, uh, does show,

1974
01:13:37,564 --> 01:13:38,632
uh, maintaining the existing

1975
01:13:38,632 --> 01:13:39,833
vegetation. There isn

1976
01:13:39,833 --> 01:13:41,268
t a

1977
01:13:41,268 --> 01:13:42,937
requirement for a buffer yard

1978
01:13:42,937 --> 01:13:45,337
in between industrial zoning

1979
01:13:45,740 --> 01:13:46,740
and residential zoning. Uh, so

1980
01:13:46,740 --> 01:13:48,800
again, they can get credit for

1981
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,800
existing vegetation and

1982
01:13:51,712 --> 01:13:53,514
supplement that as they need to.

1983
01:13:53,514 --> 01:13:54,948
And looking at those findings

1984
01:13:54,948 --> 01:13:57,751
that were mentioned before the

1985
01:13:57,751 --> 01:13:58,686
hearing, uh, the first finding

1986
01:13:58,686 --> 01:14:00,870
is that the use would not

1987
01:14:00,870 --> 01:14:01,288
materially endanger the public

1988
01:14:01,288 --> 01:14:02,455
health or safety if located,

1989
01:14:02,455 --> 01:14:03,657
were proposed and developed,

1990
01:14:03,657 --> 01:14:04,858
according to the application

1991
01:14:04,858 --> 01:14:07,394
and plan, as submitted and

1992
01:14:07,394 --> 01:14:09,262
approved. In response to that,

1993
01:14:09,262 --> 01:14:10,598
staff says that yes, this can

1994
01:14:10,598 --> 01:14:12,198
be found. The subject request

1995
01:14:12,198 --> 01:14:13,934
would not materially endanger

1996
01:14:13,934 --> 01:14:15,269
the public health or safety due

1997
01:14:15,269 --> 01:14:17,505
to relatively low traffic

1998
01:14:17,505 --> 01:14:19,730
generation, use of an existing

1999
01:14:19,730 --> 01:14:20,574
building and access points, and

2000
01:14:20,574 --> 01:14:22,574
compliance with operational

2001
01:14:22,609 --> 01:14:25,179
standards for an indoor kennel

2002
01:14:25,179 --> 01:14:27,579
with outdoor enclosure use.

2003
01:14:28,150 --> 01:14:30,150
Established in section 5.2.4,

2004
01:14:30,217 --> 01:14:31,652
one of the Udo. Further, the

2005
01:14:31,652 --> 01:14:33,554
presumption is that the use is

2006
01:14:33,554 --> 01:14:34,589
permitted in the if. If the use

2007
01:14:34,589 --> 01:14:36,890
is permitted in the zoning

2008
01:14:36,890 --> 01:14:37,258
district, it is not a threat to

2009
01:14:37,258 --> 01:14:40,161
public health or safety unless

2010
01:14:40,161 --> 01:14:41,561
proven otherwise. Under two

2011
01:14:41,561 --> 01:14:43,297
that the use meets all required

2012
01:14:43,297 --> 01:14:44,631
conditions and specifications.

2013
01:14:44,631 --> 01:14:45,901
The finding there is. Yes. The

2014
01:14:45,901 --> 01:14:48,901
subject request will meet the

2015
01:14:49,837 --> 01:14:51,710
minimum requirements of the Udo

2016
01:14:51,710 --> 01:14:52,940
and it did go to the Planning

2017
01:14:52,940 --> 01:14:54,341
Board. Who did certify that it

2018
01:14:54,341 --> 01:14:54,909
does meet those requirements.

2019
01:14:54,909 --> 01:14:55,776
And that

2020
01:14:55,776 --> 01:14:58,178
ll be on the last

2021
01:14:58,178 --> 01:14:59,480
slide. Three that the use will

2022
01:14:59,480 --> 01:15:00,881
not substantially injure the

2023
01:15:00,881 --> 01:15:02,284
value of adjoining or abutting

2024
01:15:02,284 --> 01:15:04,317
property, or that the use is

2025
01:15:04,317 --> 01:15:05,753
deemed a public necessity. That

2026
01:15:05,753 --> 01:15:07,955
is not something that staff has

2027
01:15:07,955 --> 01:15:09,123
the expertise to testify on.

2028
01:15:09,123 --> 01:15:09,491
Uh, so and again, that

2029
01:15:09,491 --> 01:15:10,858
s one of

2030
01:15:10,858 --> 01:15:12,793
the findings. That is the

2031
01:15:12,793 --> 01:15:13,895
burden of proof originally lies

2032
01:15:13,895 --> 01:15:14,228
with the petitioner, and I

2033
01:15:14,228 --> 01:15:14,630
believe they

2034
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:15,997
d have some

2035
01:15:15,997 --> 01:15:18,399
information that would speak to

2036
01:15:18,399 --> 01:15:20,000
that. Uh, so there is no

2037
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,700
finding from a staff level for

2038
01:15:23,700 --> 01:15:24,105
that finding. And then finally

2039
01:15:24,105 --> 01:15:25,639
the fourth finding that

2040
01:15:25,639 --> 01:15:26,841
location, character and

2041
01:15:26,841 --> 01:15:27,842
character of the use, if

2042
01:15:27,842 --> 01:15:29,343
developed according to the

2043
01:15:29,343 --> 01:15:30,343
application and plan submitted

2044
01:15:30,343 --> 01:15:31,546
and approved, will be in

2045
01:15:31,546 --> 01:15:33,714
harmony with the area in which

2046
01:15:33,714 --> 01:15:34,982
it is to be located and in

2047
01:15:34,982 --> 01:15:37,382
general conformity with for

2048
01:15:37,852 --> 01:15:39,987
2045. From a staff perspective,

2049
01:15:39,987 --> 01:15:41,656
we find that this that this

2050
01:15:41,656 --> 01:15:43,240
finding can be met. The request

2051
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:44,792
will allow the reuse of an

2052
01:15:44,792 --> 01:15:46,561
existing vacant building in a

2053
01:15:46,561 --> 01:15:47,962
zoning district, and is

2054
01:15:47,962 --> 01:15:49,129
generally consistent with the

2055
01:15:49,129 --> 01:15:51,980
industrial character of the

2056
01:15:51,980 --> 01:15:52,432
surrounding area. The proposed

2057
01:15:52,432 --> 01:15:53,701
outdoor enclosure is located

2058
01:15:53,701 --> 01:15:55,350
behind. The existing building

2059
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:56,870
includes buffering elements

2060
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:58,338
intended to mitigate visual and

2061
01:15:58,338 --> 01:16:00,107
auditory impacts on nearby

2062
01:16:00,107 --> 01:16:01,141
residential properties. The

2063
01:16:01,141 --> 01:16:02,420
request would support the

2064
01:16:02,420 --> 01:16:03,510
redevelopment of an

2065
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:04,612
underutilized industrial site,

2066
01:16:04,612 --> 01:16:05,679
consistent with the general

2067
01:16:05,679 --> 01:16:07,679
recommendations of forward

2068
01:16:07,683 --> 01:16:09,217
2045, and again, the

2069
01:16:09,217 --> 01:16:10,251
presumption is that if the use

2070
01:16:10,251 --> 01:16:11,619
is permitted in the zoning

2071
01:16:11,619 --> 01:16:12,820
district, it is in harmony with

2072
01:16:12,820 --> 01:16:15,220
the area. Unless proven

2073
01:16:15,789 --> 01:16:16,890
otherwise. As far as the

2074
01:16:16,890 --> 01:16:17,692
recommendation, I

2075
01:16:17,692 --> 01:16:18,660
ve gone over

2076
01:16:18,660 --> 01:16:19,794
the four findings the

2077
01:16:19,794 --> 01:16:21,964
establishment of an outdoor

2078
01:16:21,964 --> 01:16:23,497
enclosure for a kennel, indoor

2079
01:16:23,497 --> 01:16:24,532
use requires the issuance of a

2080
01:16:24,532 --> 01:16:26,633
special use permit from the

2081
01:16:26,633 --> 01:16:27,603
elected body, uh, following a

2082
01:16:27,603 --> 01:16:29,337
site plan review by the

2083
01:16:29,337 --> 01:16:30,771
planning Board for the gi

2084
01:16:30,771 --> 01:16:32,307
zoning district, the Planning

2085
01:16:32,307 --> 01:16:33,875
Board did determine that the

2086
01:16:33,875 --> 01:16:35,910
site plan meets all Udo

2087
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:38,813
requirements. On JUNE 11th of

2088
01:16:38,813 --> 01:16:39,747
2026, so the next steps are to

2089
01:16:39,747 --> 01:16:39,915
hold a public hearing, which

2090
01:16:39,915 --> 01:16:41,150
we

2091
01:16:41,150 --> 01:16:42,550
re doing now, and then make

2092
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:44,510
a determination regarding those

2093
01:16:44,510 --> 01:16:46,119
four findings. And based on

2094
01:16:46,119 --> 01:16:48,323
that either issue or deny the

2095
01:16:48,323 --> 01:16:48,656
special use permit request. And

2096
01:16:48,656 --> 01:16:49,391
with that, I

2097
01:16:49,391 --> 01:16:50,157
m glad to answer

2098
01:16:50,157 --> 01:16:52,157
any questions.

2099
01:16:54,595 --> 01:16:55,998
Questions. MR. Murphy? Yeah.

2100
01:16:55,998 --> 01:16:57,998
Councilmember Clark.

2101
01:16:58,100 --> 01:16:58,699
This is currently zoned gi.

2102
01:16:58,699 --> 01:17:00,234
Correct.

2103
01:17:00,234 --> 01:17:02,771
Could you give some examples of

2104
01:17:02,771 --> 01:17:06,607
what could be built in a gi

2105
01:17:06,607 --> 01:17:08,276
zoning?

2106
01:17:08,276 --> 01:17:10,111
Uh, manufacturing a

2107
01:17:10,111 --> 01:17:11,914
manufacturing, b manufacturing

2108
01:17:11,914 --> 01:17:12,748
c, manufacturing c allows the

2109
01:17:12,748 --> 01:17:13,949
highest that

2110
01:17:13,949 --> 01:17:15,883
s the most intense

2111
01:17:15,883 --> 01:17:17,318
form of manufacturing. You

2112
01:17:17,318 --> 01:17:19,453
could have an abattoir, which

2113
01:17:19,453 --> 01:17:21,255
is essentially a like a

2114
01:17:21,255 --> 01:17:22,791
meatpacking plant. Uh, you

2115
01:17:22,791 --> 01:17:24,258
could do all kinds of things

2116
01:17:24,258 --> 01:17:25,225
under that existing gi zoning.

2117
01:17:25,225 --> 01:17:25,394
If you hold on a second, I

2118
01:17:25,394 --> 01:17:26,360
ll

2119
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:27,128
actually get to the table of

2120
01:17:27,128 --> 01:17:27,828
permitted uses. I

2121
01:17:27,828 --> 01:17:28,290
m not sure if

2122
01:17:28,290 --> 01:17:30,290
that

2123
01:17:32,660 --> 01:17:35,404
s enough. Um, as far as

2124
01:17:35,404 --> 01:17:38,720
the heavy industrial type uses,

2125
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,720
um, manufacturing a, b, c

2126
01:17:41,742 --> 01:17:43,578
asphalt and concrete plant, um,

2127
01:17:43,578 --> 01:17:45,546
borrow site, hazardous waste

2128
01:17:45,546 --> 01:17:47,546
management, meatpacking plant,

2129
01:17:47,615 --> 01:17:49,116
a mine and quarry, a recycling

2130
01:17:49,116 --> 01:17:50,218
plant, storage and salvage

2131
01:17:50,218 --> 01:17:52,190
yard.

2132
01:17:52,190 --> 01:17:52,253
Thank you.

2133
01:17:52,253 --> 01:17:53,254
And I

2134
01:17:53,254 --> 01:17:53,555
ve never heard of that

2135
01:17:53,555 --> 01:17:55,220
word.

2136
01:17:55,220 --> 01:17:55,756
You used an abattoir?

2137
01:17:55,756 --> 01:17:55,890
Yeah.

2138
01:17:55,890 --> 01:17:56,224
I

2139
01:17:56,224 --> 01:17:56,390
ve learned.

2140
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:57,625
It

2141
01:17:57,625 --> 01:18:00,625
s not used much anymore.

2142
01:18:00,861 --> 01:18:02,563
Slaughterhouse. Customer.

2143
01:18:02,563 --> 01:18:03,799
Recipient?

2144
01:18:03,799 --> 01:18:05,799
Yes.

2145
01:18:07,801 --> 01:18:09,503
MR. Murphy? Um, the. First

2146
01:18:09,503 --> 01:18:11,503
requirement said something

2147
01:18:14,175 --> 01:18:16,377
about the planning board. There

2148
01:18:16,377 --> 01:18:16,711
was no material endangerment to

2149
01:18:16,711 --> 01:18:18,447
public.

2150
01:18:18,447 --> 01:18:19,847
Health or safety.

2151
01:18:19,847 --> 01:18:21,820
How did the planning.

2152
01:18:21,820 --> 01:18:21,817
Board?

2153
01:18:21,817 --> 01:18:23,117
This is staff

2154
01:18:23,117 --> 01:18:24,418
s analysis. I

2155
01:18:24,418 --> 01:18:26,755
know the planning board. The

2156
01:18:26,755 --> 01:18:27,757
planning board only certifies

2157
01:18:27,757 --> 01:18:29,258
whether or not it meets you

2158
01:18:29,258 --> 01:18:30,692
their requirements. Remember,

2159
01:18:30,692 --> 01:18:31,994
we can only hold one public

2160
01:18:31,994 --> 01:18:33,940
hearing. So this is the only

2161
01:18:33,940 --> 01:18:34,280
place where the public hearing

2162
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:34,562
is held.

2163
01:18:34,562 --> 01:18:35,796
So.

2164
01:18:35,796 --> 01:18:37,796
Giving the staff

2165
01:18:38,634 --> 01:18:40,634
s assessment,

2166
01:18:45,674 --> 01:18:49,874
how did you look at audible? Uh,

2167
01:18:50,312 --> 01:18:50,978
situations with dogs barking?

2168
01:18:50,978 --> 01:18:51,145
And again.

2169
01:18:51,145 --> 01:18:52,581
You

2170
01:18:52,581 --> 01:18:53,415
re actually making the

2171
01:18:53,415 --> 01:18:53,814
findings of fact. We

2172
01:18:53,814 --> 01:18:55,182
re just

2173
01:18:55,182 --> 01:18:56,450
providing supporting

2174
01:18:56,450 --> 01:18:57,920
documentation and our

2175
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,721
recommendation on how we feel

2176
01:18:59,721 --> 01:19:01,220
like it would meet that. Again,

2177
01:19:01,220 --> 01:19:02,491
we have noise ordinances. We

2178
01:19:02,491 --> 01:19:03,724
have things in place that kind

2179
01:19:03,724 --> 01:19:04,159
of address noise. There

2180
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:06,159
s not

2181
01:19:06,294 --> 01:19:07,595
anything specific related to a

2182
01:19:07,595 --> 01:19:08,397
kennel indoor, except for the

2183
01:19:08,397 --> 01:19:09,698
fact that they have to get a

2184
01:19:09,698 --> 01:19:10,766
special use permit from the

2185
01:19:10,766 --> 01:19:12,766
elected body.

2186
01:19:12,801 --> 01:19:14,268
But this is the outdoor kennel.

2187
01:19:14,268 --> 01:19:14,403
This is for outdoor runs. It

2188
01:19:14,403 --> 01:19:15,604
s

2189
01:19:15,604 --> 01:19:16,138
not an outdoor kennel.

2190
01:19:16,138 --> 01:19:17,538
Okay.

2191
01:19:17,538 --> 01:19:19,938
So basically there are

2192
01:19:20,142 --> 01:19:22,244
provisions for an outdoor run

2193
01:19:22,244 --> 01:19:23,578
that you have to have. Staff

2194
01:19:23,578 --> 01:19:24,110
has to be out there with the

2195
01:19:24,110 --> 01:19:25,781
dogs. It

2196
01:19:25,781 --> 01:19:27,115
s not just a free for

2197
01:19:27,115 --> 01:19:28,150
all running around. Now

2198
01:19:28,150 --> 01:19:28,483
obviously, you know again I

2199
01:19:28,483 --> 01:19:29,417
m

2200
01:19:29,417 --> 01:19:30,585
not sure what the business

2201
01:19:30,585 --> 01:19:32,554
model is. You can hear from the

2202
01:19:32,554 --> 01:19:35,554
folks whenever they speak. I

2203
01:19:35,556 --> 01:19:36,190
mean, you know, if you have 25,

2204
01:19:36,190 --> 01:19:36,557
30 dogs, I

2205
01:19:36,557 --> 01:19:36,791
m sure you

2206
01:19:36,791 --> 01:19:38,260
re going

2207
01:19:38,260 --> 01:19:39,227
to have some barking in some

2208
01:19:39,227 --> 01:19:39,728
play and those kind of things.

2209
01:19:39,728 --> 01:19:40,761
But again, it

2210
01:19:40,761 --> 01:19:41,862
s not like these

2211
01:19:41,862 --> 01:19:42,631
animals would be left

2212
01:19:42,631 --> 01:19:42,830
unattended.

2213
01:19:42,830 --> 01:19:44,398
That

2214
01:19:44,398 --> 01:19:45,434
s what I was thinking

2215
01:19:45,434 --> 01:19:46,400
about. They were going to be

2216
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:46,803
left outside, but that

2217
01:19:46,803 --> 01:19:48,202
s not

2218
01:19:48,202 --> 01:19:50,172
the case. Thank you.

2219
01:19:50,172 --> 01:19:50,571
All right. Thank you. We

2220
01:19:50,571 --> 01:19:51,839
ll now

2221
01:19:51,839 --> 01:19:52,740
hear from the proponents. You

2222
01:19:52,740 --> 01:19:53,750
d

2223
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:54,343
have 15 minutes for your

2224
01:19:54,343 --> 01:19:57,343
presentation if you state your

2225
01:19:57,579 --> 01:19:59,579
name and address.

2226
01:19:59,614 --> 01:20:01,215
MR. Mayor, mayor pro tem and

2227
01:20:01,215 --> 01:20:01,650
city council. I am Brad

2228
01:20:01,650 --> 01:20:02,384
Friesen. I

2229
01:20:02,384 --> 01:20:03,584
m an attorney at

2230
01:20:03,584 --> 01:20:07,220
Bell, Davis and Pit, and I

2231
01:20:07,220 --> 01:20:08,357
represent, uh, Kelsey and Eddie

2232
01:20:08,357 --> 01:20:09,423
Dolan and Kelsey

2233
01:20:09,423 --> 01:20:10,758
s non-profit

2234
01:20:10,758 --> 01:20:10,993
corporation that she formed

2235
01:20:10,993 --> 01:20:12,993
Stella

2236
01:20:13,462 --> 01:20:14,795
s Rescue, Inc. They have

2237
01:20:14,795 --> 01:20:16,931
a contract to purchase this

2238
01:20:16,931 --> 01:20:17,990
property from MR. Mosley, who

2239
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:19,990
s

2240
01:20:20,234 --> 01:20:23,505
also here. Uh, I would like to

2241
01:20:23,505 --> 01:20:26,505
start, um, and, MR. Mayor,

2242
01:20:26,742 --> 01:20:28,144
would it be possible to, as a

2243
01:20:28,144 --> 01:20:29,945
to meet the evidentiary

2244
01:20:29,945 --> 01:20:31,513
requirements? I would like to

2245
01:20:31,513 --> 01:20:34,483
question a few questions from

2246
01:20:34,483 --> 01:20:35,951
MR. Murphy and then MISS Dolan,

2247
01:20:35,951 --> 01:20:37,152
and then we have Luke Dickey

2248
01:20:37,152 --> 01:20:38,986
here from Stonewall to talk

2249
01:20:38,986 --> 01:20:41,923
about the site plan. And Rick

2250
01:20:41,923 --> 01:20:43,493
Brandt, an appraiser. And i

2251
01:20:43,493 --> 01:20:44,426
have a good outline. I can move

2252
01:20:44,426 --> 01:20:46,428
through this pretty quickly,

2253
01:20:46,428 --> 01:20:47,828
but I MAY need more time. Uh,

2254
01:20:47,828 --> 01:20:48,430
would it be possible to ask for

2255
01:20:48,430 --> 01:20:49,640
more time?

2256
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:49,665
If necessary, we

2257
01:20:49,665 --> 01:20:50,598
d ask you to

2258
01:20:50,598 --> 01:20:52,466
move as quickly as possible.

2259
01:20:52,466 --> 01:20:54,100
Okay. Thank you, MR. Murphy,

2260
01:20:54,100 --> 01:20:57,390
can I first ask you a couple of

2261
01:20:57,390 --> 01:20:58,906
questions about the zoning and

2262
01:20:58,906 --> 01:21:00,420
the nature of the site? First

2263
01:21:00,420 --> 01:21:01,343
of all, you mentioned that it

2264
01:21:01,343 --> 01:21:02,811
was previously a warehouse

2265
01:21:02,811 --> 01:21:05,682
building or had a warehouse

2266
01:21:05,682 --> 01:21:08,350
use. Uh, could it again be used

2267
01:21:08,350 --> 01:21:11,530
without any permit again for

2268
01:21:11,530 --> 01:21:13,453
warehousing and trucking under

2269
01:21:17,391 --> 01:21:18,626
its current zoning?

2270
01:21:18,626 --> 01:21:19,493
To answer the question, I have

2271
01:21:19,493 --> 01:21:20,661
to go into a little bit of

2272
01:21:20,661 --> 01:21:21,797
detail. I can

2273
01:21:21,797 --> 01:21:23,980
t sit here and

2274
01:21:23,980 --> 01:21:23,932
testify. I know there was a

2275
01:21:23,932 --> 01:21:24,633
church in it. I can

2276
01:21:24,633 --> 01:21:25,701
t testify

2277
01:21:25,701 --> 01:21:26,802
whether or not the church ever

2278
01:21:26,802 --> 01:21:27,668
got the proper permits, that

2279
01:21:27,668 --> 01:21:29,104
the church got the proper

2280
01:21:29,104 --> 01:21:30,720
permits, they would probably

2281
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,508
there would probably have to be

2282
01:21:33,508 --> 01:21:36,177
a internal submission to the

2283
01:21:36,177 --> 01:21:38,380
inspections division to issue a

2284
01:21:38,380 --> 01:21:39,810
permit if the use had in fact

2285
01:21:39,810 --> 01:21:39,481
changed. But that

2286
01:21:39,481 --> 01:21:40,949
s not

2287
01:21:40,949 --> 01:21:42,284
anything that would require any

2288
01:21:42,284 --> 01:21:43,952
entitlements other than coming

2289
01:21:43,952 --> 01:21:44,253
to our department to get them.

2290
01:21:44,253 --> 01:21:45,386
It wouldn

2291
01:21:45,386 --> 01:21:46,210
t need to be rezoned.

2292
01:21:46,210 --> 01:21:48,210
Correct.

2293
01:21:48,323 --> 01:21:49,792
And there are hourly

2294
01:21:49,792 --> 01:21:51,493
limitations on the use of the

2295
01:21:51,493 --> 01:21:52,610
outdoor enclosure we

2296
01:21:52,610 --> 01:21:53,829
re seeking

2297
01:21:53,829 --> 01:21:56,733
here under the Udo. Is that

2298
01:21:56,733 --> 01:21:59,733
correct? And those are from 8

2299
01:22:00,402 --> 01:22:01,435
A.M. To 6 P.M..

2300
01:22:01,435 --> 01:22:02,804
Before I answer in the

2301
01:22:02,804 --> 01:22:05,804
affirmative, I want to look.

2302
01:22:16,451 --> 01:22:16,652
Yes, that sounds correct.

2303
01:22:16,652 --> 01:22:17,386
That

2304
01:22:17,386 --> 01:22:19,153
s correct.

2305
01:22:19,153 --> 01:22:20,550
And while you have the Udo

2306
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:21,560
there, it

2307
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,158
s also a requirement

2308
01:22:23,158 --> 01:22:24,793
of the Udo that no animals can

2309
01:22:24,793 --> 01:22:26,462
be left unattended in the

2310
01:22:26,462 --> 01:22:26,662
outdoor enclosure. Correct?

2311
01:22:26,662 --> 01:22:27,796
That

2312
01:22:27,796 --> 01:22:29,666
s correct. And animals

2313
01:22:29,666 --> 01:22:29,865
cannot be housed outdoors.

2314
01:22:29,865 --> 01:22:30,566
They

2315
01:22:30,566 --> 01:22:30,766
re correct.

2316
01:22:30,766 --> 01:22:31,801
That

2317
01:22:31,801 --> 01:22:33,801
s correct.

2318
01:22:34,336 --> 01:22:37,673
And so adding an outdoor run

2319
01:22:37,673 --> 01:22:39,541
for a kennel use would not

2320
01:22:39,541 --> 01:22:40,709
increase the the population of

2321
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:41,577
animals that could already be

2322
01:22:41,577 --> 01:22:41,776
housed there because they can

2323
01:22:41,776 --> 01:22:43,478
t

2324
01:22:43,478 --> 01:22:44,780
be housed inutdoor

2325
01:22:44,780 --> 01:22:45,514
enclosure. Right.

2326
01:22:45,514 --> 01:22:47,514
Correct.

2327
01:22:48,718 --> 01:22:50,652
And also as a matter of, uh,

2328
01:22:50,652 --> 01:22:53,388
requirements under the Udo, the

2329
01:22:53,388 --> 01:22:54,556
animal waste. And that MAY be

2330
01:22:54,556 --> 01:22:55,857
deposited in the outdoor

2331
01:22:55,857 --> 01:22:59,457
enclosure has to be managed on

2332
01:23:15,244 --> 01:23:15,644
a daily basis, correct.

2333
01:23:15,644 --> 01:23:17,479
I can

2334
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:18,915
t testify to whether that

2335
01:23:18,915 --> 01:23:20,283
being true. That could be

2336
01:23:20,283 --> 01:23:20,483
within the city code. I don

2337
01:23:20,483 --> 01:23:22,483
t

2338
01:23:23,253 --> 01:23:23,819
see it in the Udo. If you see

2339
01:23:23,819 --> 01:23:24,220
it in there, if you

2340
01:23:24,220 --> 01:23:24,620
ll point it

2341
01:23:24,620 --> 01:23:25,221
out to me, I

2342
01:23:25,221 --> 01:23:27,621
ll be glad to

2343
01:23:28,991 --> 01:23:31,391
testify to that fact.

2344
01:23:34,731 --> 01:23:35,230
Scoop to poop. I got two dogs.

2345
01:23:35,230 --> 01:23:35,798
Oh.

2346
01:23:35,798 --> 01:23:36,633
I just see.

2347
01:23:36,633 --> 01:23:38,633
It..

2348
01:23:38,735 --> 01:23:39,736
Correct. You are correct. It

2349
01:23:39,736 --> 01:23:41,103
does say with animal waste

2350
01:23:41,103 --> 01:23:42,538
being managed daily as per

2351
01:23:42,538 --> 01:23:43,872
applicable sanitation codes and

2352
01:23:43,872 --> 01:23:46,676
ordinances, which again I think

2353
01:23:46,676 --> 01:23:50,276
refers back to the city code.

2354
01:23:51,681 --> 01:23:54,284
Uh, thank you sir. You

2355
01:23:54,284 --> 01:23:56,684
mentioned that the residential

2356
01:23:57,185 --> 01:23:58,520
property adjacent to this site

2357
01:23:58,520 --> 01:23:59,755
are and I can

2358
01:23:59,755 --> 01:24:01,755
t remember your

2359
01:24:02,559 --> 01:24:05,294
exact words, but the staff

2360
01:24:05,294 --> 01:24:08,294
report notes that they are

2361
01:24:08,564 --> 01:24:10,466
significantly up uphill from

2362
01:24:10,466 --> 01:24:11,670
the this property. Right?

2363
01:24:11,670 --> 01:24:13,670
Correct.

2364
01:24:13,236 --> 01:24:14,470
So in terms of water runoff, we

2365
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:16,573
would not have water running

2366
01:24:16,573 --> 01:24:18,342
from this enclosure. Appeal to

2367
01:24:18,342 --> 01:24:18,808
the residential areas. That

2368
01:24:18,808 --> 01:24:20,808
right.

2369
01:24:30,986 --> 01:24:32,986
Correct.

2370
01:24:35,124 --> 01:24:38,724
There was the staff report on

2371
01:24:40,630 --> 01:24:41,698
page five at the very bottom in

2372
01:24:41,698 --> 01:24:43,265
the analysis of conformity to

2373
01:24:43,265 --> 01:24:45,665
plans and planning issues,

2374
01:24:46,100 --> 01:24:48,136
notes that the existing

2375
01:24:48,136 --> 01:24:49,871
vegetation, steep topography,

2376
01:24:49,871 --> 01:24:51,873
placement of the enclosure area

2377
01:24:51,873 --> 01:24:53,576
behind the existing building

2378
01:24:53,576 --> 01:24:55,345
and the volunteered additional

2379
01:24:55,345 --> 01:24:57,345
plantings will attenuate

2380
01:24:58,181 --> 01:24:59,615
offsite impacts of the request.

2381
01:24:59,615 --> 01:25:01,484
And that is something that the

2382
01:25:01,484 --> 01:25:03,520
the planning staff found to be

2383
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:03,252
the c case. Is that right?

2384
01:25:03,252 --> 01:25:05,252
That

2385
01:25:06,189 --> 01:25:08,189
s correct.

2386
01:25:09,250 --> 01:25:09,259
And the mentioned it

2387
01:25:09,259 --> 01:25:10,225
s

2388
01:25:10,225 --> 01:25:11,193
mentioned there that there are

2389
01:25:11,193 --> 01:25:13,193
volunteered additional

2390
01:25:14,464 --> 01:25:16,431
plantings. The planning staff

2391
01:25:16,431 --> 01:25:18,340
asked for three additional

2392
01:25:18,340 --> 01:25:19,836
deciduous trees to be planted

2393
01:25:19,836 --> 01:25:21,360
near the outdoor enclosure. And

2394
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:22,305
the and the applicant has

2395
01:25:22,305 --> 01:25:22,505
agreed to that, right?

2396
01:25:22,505 --> 01:25:23,906
That

2397
01:25:23,906 --> 01:25:25,207
s correct.

2398
01:25:25,207 --> 01:25:26,275
And those trees would be

2399
01:25:26,275 --> 01:25:27,342
between where the outdoor

2400
01:25:27,342 --> 01:25:29,712
enclosure is and the

2401
01:25:29,712 --> 01:25:30,914
residential property.

2402
01:25:30,914 --> 01:25:33,914
On the south side, correct.

2403
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:42,393
On the south side. MR. Murphy,

2404
01:25:42,393 --> 01:25:44,326
if the outdoor enclosure is

2405
01:25:44,326 --> 01:25:45,395
being used in violation of the

2406
01:25:45,395 --> 01:25:47,395
Udo, let

2407
01:25:47,931 --> 01:25:50,300
s say with dogs out at

2408
01:25:50,300 --> 01:25:51,733
10:00 at night, that is

2409
01:25:51,733 --> 01:25:53,236
something that the city could

2410
01:25:53,236 --> 01:25:54,771
enforce. Correct?

2411
01:25:54,771 --> 01:25:56,172
Correct. That would be a zoning

2412
01:25:56,172 --> 01:25:57,472
violation that would be handled

2413
01:25:57,472 --> 01:25:58,875
by the zoning enforcement

2414
01:25:58,875 --> 01:25:59,876
staff.

2415
01:25:59,876 --> 01:26:01,611
MR. Mayor, I would like the

2416
01:26:01,611 --> 01:26:04,110
entire staff report admitted

2417
01:26:04,514 --> 01:26:04,780
in, uh, as evidence in the

2418
01:26:04,780 --> 01:26:06,780
applicant

2419
01:26:06,850 --> 01:26:07,684
s case in this permit

2420
01:26:07,684 --> 01:26:09,152
hearing.

2421
01:26:09,152 --> 01:26:11,152
Brennan.

2422
01:26:12,540 --> 01:26:15,654
Uh, the next witness will be

2423
01:26:16,559 --> 01:26:18,127
Luke Dickey from Kimball.

2424
01:26:18,127 --> 01:26:20,970
So if you would give your name

2425
01:26:20,970 --> 01:26:21,198
and address, please.

2426
01:26:21,198 --> 01:26:22,664
Good evening. Luke Dickey with

2427
01:26:22,664 --> 01:26:24,500
Stem associates, 601 North

2428
01:26:24,500 --> 01:26:26,236
Trade Street, suite 200. MRS..

2429
01:26:26,236 --> 01:26:28,236
027101.

2430
01:26:28,706 --> 01:26:31,106
Thank you, MR. Dickey.

2431
01:26:31,641 --> 01:26:33,641
See?

2432
01:26:33,943 --> 01:26:37,543
MR. Murphy, do we have slides

2433
01:26:39,315 --> 01:26:40,950
that we could?

2434
01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:42,819
You want the PowerPoint or do

2435
01:26:42,819 --> 01:26:42,986
you want the overhead? Okay,

2436
01:26:42,986 --> 01:26:44,870
let

2437
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:45,540
s got it. All right. Cuz I

2438
01:26:45,540 --> 01:26:45,588
know you said you might need

2439
01:26:45,588 --> 01:26:46,456
the overhead and.

2440
01:26:46,456 --> 01:26:48,358
That might be problematic.

2441
01:26:48,358 --> 01:26:49,859
But we can figure.

2442
01:26:49,859 --> 01:26:50,159
Yeah. Thank you very much.

2443
01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:50,793
Tonight I

2444
01:26:50,793 --> 01:26:51,628
m just going to kind

2445
01:26:51,628 --> 01:26:53,863
of walk you through the site

2446
01:26:53,863 --> 01:26:54,731
plan that we prepared. Um,

2447
01:26:54,731 --> 01:26:55,899
utilizing of course, the

2448
01:26:55,899 --> 01:26:57,330
information we get from the

2449
01:26:57,330 --> 01:26:58,302
Unified Development Ordinance

2450
01:26:58,302 --> 01:27:00,169
under the Udo Kier code,

2451
01:27:00,169 --> 01:27:01,471
working with planning staff.

2452
01:27:01,471 --> 01:27:03,339
And we prepare these plans that

2453
01:27:03,339 --> 01:27:04,474
get submitted for their review.

2454
01:27:04,474 --> 01:27:06,750
It goes to the departmental

2455
01:27:06,750 --> 01:27:07,310
review. And then we address

2456
01:27:07,310 --> 01:27:08,177
those comments. And then that

2457
01:27:08,177 --> 01:27:08,712
goes into the course into the

2458
01:27:08,712 --> 01:27:09,612
planning board for

2459
01:27:09,612 --> 01:27:11,381
recommendation. And then that

2460
01:27:11,381 --> 01:27:12,415
comes before you this evening,

2461
01:27:12,415 --> 01:27:13,815
uh, up on the screen right

2462
01:27:13,815 --> 01:27:14,851
here, right now is kind of the

2463
01:27:14,851 --> 01:27:16,686
way that just general

2464
01:27:16,686 --> 01:27:17,820
highlighted areas. The building

2465
01:27:17,820 --> 01:27:17,954
is the main white block that

2466
01:27:17,954 --> 01:27:19,622
s

2467
01:27:19,622 --> 01:27:21,357
in the middle. Uh, the blue is

2468
01:27:21,357 --> 01:27:23,226
the enclosure area on the back

2469
01:27:23,226 --> 01:27:24,627
side. Um, highlighted in a

2470
01:27:24,627 --> 01:27:25,828
little bit of a darker green is

2471
01:27:25,828 --> 01:27:27,330
the three trees that were

2472
01:27:27,330 --> 01:27:28,998
conditioned as part of that to

2473
01:27:28,998 --> 01:27:30,901
be planted on the south side of

2474
01:27:30,901 --> 01:27:32,168
the site, uh, the parking lot

2475
01:27:32,168 --> 01:27:33,736
then is located that will be

2476
01:27:33,736 --> 01:27:35,710
expanded to meet the other

2477
01:27:35,710 --> 01:27:36,673
requirements for the size of

2478
01:27:36,673 --> 01:27:37,440
the kennel. Uh, so that gets

2479
01:27:37,440 --> 01:27:39,740
expanded a little bit more

2480
01:27:39,740 --> 01:27:41,211
towards the south side of the

2481
01:27:41,211 --> 01:27:42,745
site. Uh, we designated the

2482
01:27:42,745 --> 01:27:43,912
better stands of trees on the

2483
01:27:43,912 --> 01:27:46,249
side. Those are in the darker

2484
01:27:46,249 --> 01:27:47,650
green corners there for the

2485
01:27:47,650 --> 01:27:49,452
tree safe area that meets the

2486
01:27:49,452 --> 01:27:50,552
requirements of that as well.

2487
01:27:50,552 --> 01:27:52,355
With the expansion of the

2488
01:27:52,355 --> 01:27:53,456
parking lot, there will be a

2489
01:27:53,456 --> 01:27:55,391
street yard requirement. Then

2490
01:27:55,391 --> 01:27:56,493
of course along Chatham Road

2491
01:27:56,493 --> 01:27:57,727
that would be provided to meet

2492
01:27:57,727 --> 01:27:59,496
the requirements. From that

2493
01:27:59,496 --> 01:28:00,396
standpoint, we are showing a

2494
01:28:00,396 --> 01:28:01,665
dumpster at the end of that

2495
01:28:01,665 --> 01:28:02,899
parking lot. That meets the

2496
01:28:02,899 --> 01:28:05,340
requirements of being 50 foot

2497
01:28:05,340 --> 01:28:06,636
setback from any residential

2498
01:28:06,636 --> 01:28:06,802
zoning lot. And then also,

2499
01:28:06,802 --> 01:28:07,637
we

2500
01:28:07,637 --> 01:28:08,705
ve expanded a little bit of

2501
01:28:08,705 --> 01:28:09,105
the parking there on the north

2502
01:28:09,105 --> 01:28:09,839
side, but that

2503
01:28:09,839 --> 01:28:11,775
s up against the

2504
01:28:11,775 --> 01:28:13,343
gi zoning. And there will be a

2505
01:28:13,343 --> 01:28:15,545
street yard required there as

2506
01:28:15,545 --> 01:28:17,113
well. Um, on the overall site

2507
01:28:17,113 --> 01:28:18,548
plan, you can see the slope,

2508
01:28:18,548 --> 01:28:19,816
the dark, the dashed lines that

2509
01:28:19,816 --> 01:28:20,817
are in between the building and

2510
01:28:20,817 --> 01:28:22,352
the residence to the south.

2511
01:28:22,352 --> 01:28:23,420
That is the topography. Each

2512
01:28:23,420 --> 01:28:25,855
one of those that represents a

2513
01:28:25,855 --> 01:28:26,823
two foot step. From that

2514
01:28:26,823 --> 01:28:28,758
standpoint, if you can go to

2515
01:28:28,758 --> 01:28:30,461
the next slide. Oh, just real

2516
01:28:30,461 --> 01:28:30,660
quick. And the closure is

2517
01:28:30,660 --> 01:28:32,195
there

2518
01:28:32,195 --> 01:28:32,863
s one permitted, uh, per

2519
01:28:32,863 --> 01:28:33,620
the ordinance. And that

2520
01:28:33,620 --> 01:28:33,296
s the

2521
01:28:33,296 --> 01:28:34,898
one we

2522
01:28:34,898 --> 01:28:36,633
re providing. Uh, the

2523
01:28:36,633 --> 01:28:37,935
has to meet the required

2524
01:28:37,935 --> 01:28:39,235
building setback requirements,

2525
01:28:39,235 --> 01:28:41,338
which is 40ft from any

2526
01:28:41,338 --> 01:28:42,439
residential zoning. We are 40ft

2527
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:44,909
away from that at the nearest

2528
01:28:44,909 --> 01:28:46,342
corner. Um, and then I already

2529
01:28:46,342 --> 01:28:47,543
mentioned the recommended

2530
01:28:47,543 --> 01:28:49,120
screening. That was a condition

2531
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:50,147
for the three trees there on

2532
01:28:50,147 --> 01:28:52,315
the south side. Next slide

2533
01:28:52,315 --> 01:28:53,616
please. This one is just kind

2534
01:28:53,616 --> 01:28:54,718
of going against talk about the

2535
01:28:54,718 --> 01:28:56,419
significant elevation that was

2536
01:28:56,419 --> 01:28:57,955
mentioned in the staff report.

2537
01:28:57,955 --> 01:28:59,890
Uh, the approximate elevation

2538
01:28:59,890 --> 01:29:01,458
of the enclosure there you can

2539
01:29:01,458 --> 01:29:03,894
see is at 860. Uh, the parking

2540
01:29:03,894 --> 01:29:06,863
lot is around 856. Uh, this

2541
01:29:06,863 --> 01:29:09,863
residences to the south is 902.

2542
01:29:10,668 --> 01:29:12,302
Uh, so roughly 42ft above, uh,

2543
01:29:12,302 --> 01:29:14,470
roughly the enclosure and also

2544
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:16,573
900. The nearest one is there

2545
01:29:16,573 --> 01:29:18,542
to the east, and that is at an

2546
01:29:18,542 --> 01:29:18,708
874. So it is 14ft. But that

2547
01:29:18,708 --> 01:29:19,109
s

2548
01:29:19,109 --> 01:29:19,876
also where we

2549
01:29:19,876 --> 01:29:21,478
re going to have

2550
01:29:21,478 --> 01:29:22,512
a remaining vegetation. And

2551
01:29:22,512 --> 01:29:24,114
that will be supplemented to

2552
01:29:24,114 --> 01:29:25,490
from a meeting the buffer

2553
01:29:25,490 --> 01:29:26,750
requirement. So that would be

2554
01:29:26,750 --> 01:29:28,218
addition of evergreen shrubs

2555
01:29:28,218 --> 01:29:28,985
and evergreen plantings to make

2556
01:29:28,985 --> 01:29:31,388
sure we meet the code

2557
01:29:31,388 --> 01:29:33,390
requirements in that location.

2558
01:29:33,390 --> 01:29:34,657
Next slide please. Uh, this is

2559
01:29:34,657 --> 01:29:35,758
again kind of similar to the

2560
01:29:35,758 --> 01:29:37,293
images that MR. Murphy had

2561
01:29:37,293 --> 01:29:38,928
shown earlier. This is where

2562
01:29:38,928 --> 01:29:41,264
the parking lot is. That will

2563
01:29:41,264 --> 01:29:42,132
be expanded there to the left.

2564
01:29:42,132 --> 01:29:43,900
And you can see kind of the

2565
01:29:43,900 --> 01:29:45,680
slope condition there. So

2566
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:45,469
because of the slope condition

2567
01:29:45,469 --> 01:29:46,350
and where it

2568
01:29:46,350 --> 01:29:46,237
s tucked in,

2569
01:29:46,237 --> 01:29:48,370
that

2570
01:29:48,370 --> 01:29:49,730
ll be not very visible at

2571
01:29:49,730 --> 01:29:51,507
all from the neighbors in that

2572
01:29:51,507 --> 01:29:52,675
location. Next slide please.

2573
01:29:52,675 --> 01:29:53,509
Uh, then this is just kind of

2574
01:29:53,509 --> 01:29:54,711
come up along the side of the

2575
01:29:54,711 --> 01:29:55,913
building. You can see that the

2576
01:29:55,913 --> 01:29:57,847
topography there gets even

2577
01:29:57,847 --> 01:30:00,350
steeper. Um, it was covered in

2578
01:30:00,350 --> 01:30:00,550
kudzu at this point. But again,

2579
01:30:00,550 --> 01:30:00,951
that

2580
01:30:00,951 --> 01:30:02,151
s just kind of

2581
01:30:02,151 --> 01:30:03,654
representing the base of the 40

2582
01:30:03,654 --> 01:30:05,256
foot grade change between the

2583
01:30:05,256 --> 01:30:06,489
residences to the south and

2584
01:30:06,489 --> 01:30:08,826
then where the enclosure is.

2585
01:30:08,826 --> 01:30:10,326
Next slide. Uh, this is looking

2586
01:30:10,326 --> 01:30:11,862
them directly south from the

2587
01:30:11,862 --> 01:30:13,330
enclosure. So basically at the

2588
01:30:13,330 --> 01:30:14,231
northwest corner of the

2589
01:30:14,231 --> 01:30:15,498
building, which will be the

2590
01:30:15,498 --> 01:30:17,434
furthest location of the

2591
01:30:17,434 --> 01:30:19,834
enclosure, uh, looking directly

2592
01:30:20,236 --> 01:30:20,437
south. Next slide. Uh, they

2593
01:30:20,437 --> 01:30:21,372
re

2594
01:30:21,372 --> 01:30:23,106
highlighting the screen in the

2595
01:30:23,106 --> 01:30:24,807
shadows is the closest

2596
01:30:24,807 --> 01:30:26,900
residential unit to this

2597
01:30:26,900 --> 01:30:27,811
enclosure, looking directly to

2598
01:30:27,811 --> 01:30:28,212
the to the south. Um, it

2599
01:30:28,212 --> 01:30:29,880
s kind

2600
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:30,814
of covered there, but again, we

2601
01:30:30,814 --> 01:30:32,549
will plant the trees on that

2602
01:30:32,549 --> 01:30:33,950
southern side as they grow up.

2603
01:30:33,950 --> 01:30:34,217
Would be kind of more dense

2604
01:30:34,217 --> 01:30:34,918
when you

2605
01:30:34,918 --> 01:30:36,352
re looking down into

2606
01:30:36,352 --> 01:30:37,888
the site than that would start

2607
01:30:37,888 --> 01:30:40,658
to be covered there from that

2608
01:30:40,658 --> 01:30:42,250
location. Next slide. And then

2609
01:30:42,250 --> 01:30:42,960
this is directly, directly to

2610
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:43,660
the west. So there

2611
01:30:43,660 --> 01:30:45,230
s again the

2612
01:30:45,230 --> 01:30:46,797
residents in the shadows, uh,

2613
01:30:46,797 --> 01:30:47,798
in the backside over there. And

2614
01:30:47,798 --> 01:30:49,132
those trees are going to remain

2615
01:30:49,132 --> 01:30:49,399
in that location. I

2616
01:30:49,399 --> 01:30:49,567
m sure

2617
01:30:49,567 --> 01:30:50,734
we

2618
01:30:50,734 --> 01:30:52,903
re going to clean up the

2619
01:30:52,903 --> 01:30:53,170
understory scrub there, but

2620
01:30:53,170 --> 01:30:54,270
then they

2621
01:30:54,270 --> 01:30:55,272
ll all be replanted

2622
01:30:55,272 --> 01:30:56,307
with make sure we meet the

2623
01:30:56,307 --> 01:30:58,707
ordinance requirements of the

2624
01:30:58,876 --> 01:30:59,743
full screen. Uh, use of the the

2625
01:30:59,743 --> 01:31:00,944
site with the evergreen

2626
01:31:00,944 --> 01:31:02,680
plantings and the evergreen

2627
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:04,581
shrubs there to create a visual

2628
01:31:04,581 --> 01:31:06,500
break. In addition, of course,

2629
01:31:06,500 --> 01:31:07,317
the the enclosure will have a

2630
01:31:07,317 --> 01:31:08,852
five foot opaque fence all the

2631
01:31:08,852 --> 01:31:09,520
way around it. So anything

2632
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:10,187
that

2633
01:31:10,187 --> 01:31:10,355
s within the enclosure

2634
01:31:10,355 --> 01:31:11,654
won

2635
01:31:11,654 --> 01:31:14,654
t be visible from that

2636
01:31:15,580 --> 01:31:16,126
standpoint. And that concludes

2637
01:31:16,126 --> 01:31:18,126
my presentation.

2638
01:31:19,129 --> 01:31:21,197
Thank you, MR. Dickie. Anyone

2639
01:31:21,197 --> 01:31:23,197
else?

2640
01:31:30,873 --> 01:31:32,309
Three minutes.

2641
01:31:32,309 --> 01:31:35,545
MR. Mayor, our next witness is

2642
01:31:35,545 --> 01:31:36,547
Kelsey Dolan, who is one of the

2643
01:31:36,547 --> 01:31:38,140
folks who has the property

2644
01:31:38,140 --> 01:31:38,182
under contract to purchase.

2645
01:31:38,182 --> 01:31:39,149
We

2646
01:31:39,149 --> 01:31:40,550
ve been referring to the

2647
01:31:40,550 --> 01:31:42,950
word kennel during this

2648
01:31:43,254 --> 01:31:44,488
application. The intended use

2649
01:31:44,488 --> 01:31:46,560
for this property is actually

2650
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:46,257
for an animal rescue. There

2651
01:31:46,257 --> 01:31:47,457
s

2652
01:31:47,457 --> 01:31:49,193
not a separate category for

2653
01:31:49,193 --> 01:31:50,593
that in our Udo. However, the

2654
01:31:50,593 --> 01:31:51,295
closest one is kennel, which is

2655
01:31:51,295 --> 01:31:52,195
why that

2656
01:31:52,195 --> 01:31:52,662
s that

2657
01:31:52,662 --> 01:31:54,662
s why the

2658
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:56,967
application is for a kennel

2659
01:31:56,967 --> 01:31:58,469
enclosure. Kelsey, could you

2660
01:31:58,469 --> 01:31:59,536
introduce yourself and explain

2661
01:31:59,536 --> 01:32:00,337
the intended use for this

2662
01:32:00,337 --> 01:32:00,604
property?

2663
01:32:00,604 --> 01:32:01,538
So I

2664
01:32:01,538 --> 01:32:01,905
m Kelsey Dolan I

2665
01:32:01,905 --> 01:32:02,506
m already

2666
01:32:02,506 --> 01:32:02,906
tearing up. It

2667
01:32:02,906 --> 01:32:03,274
s kind of

2668
01:32:03,274 --> 01:32:04,900
surreal. I

2669
01:32:04,900 --> 01:32:04,174
m super excited. I

2670
01:32:04,174 --> 01:32:04,807
don

2671
01:32:04,807 --> 01:32:06,609
t know how many people show

2672
01:32:06,609 --> 01:32:08,913
up excited about this. Um, but

2673
01:32:08,913 --> 01:32:11,949
it is for a rescue and it is

2674
01:32:11,949 --> 01:32:13,150
all from an animal, a dog that

2675
01:32:13,150 --> 01:32:15,119
we had named Stella, who was

2676
01:32:15,119 --> 01:32:17,221
super special. Um, she kind of

2677
01:32:17,221 --> 01:32:18,856
found me and she was great.

2678
01:32:18,856 --> 01:32:20,557
She, I will say, under oath. I

2679
01:32:20,557 --> 01:32:22,160
think she spoke English. And so

2680
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:23,893
we named it for her. She was

2681
01:32:23,893 --> 01:32:26,396
great. And I think that the

2682
01:32:26,396 --> 01:32:29,600
biggest part of this is really

2683
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:31,350
the location itself is making

2684
01:32:31,350 --> 01:32:32,336
that possible, making that

2685
01:32:32,336 --> 01:32:33,336
accessible for everyone. You

2686
01:32:33,336 --> 01:32:34,572
know, we very well could have

2687
01:32:34,572 --> 01:32:36,472
gone somewhere else and built a

2688
01:32:36,472 --> 01:32:37,775
space and built an enclosure

2689
01:32:37,775 --> 01:32:38,943
and an outdoor run, an outdoor

2690
01:32:38,943 --> 01:32:40,977
kennels and space for these

2691
01:32:40,977 --> 01:32:42,613
animals. But a big part of this

2692
01:32:42,613 --> 01:32:44,316
is really wanting to be part of

2693
01:32:44,316 --> 01:32:46,417
the community, part of what is

2694
01:32:46,417 --> 01:32:48,852
helping, you know, in the past

2695
01:32:48,852 --> 01:32:49,386
to have funded this, um, I love

2696
01:32:49,386 --> 01:32:49,854
ever talking. I

2697
01:32:49,854 --> 01:32:50,888
m looking. This

2698
01:32:50,888 --> 01:32:51,210
is like taking at me. So I

2699
01:32:51,210 --> 01:32:52,755
m

2700
01:32:52,755 --> 01:32:54,158
going to try not to ever speak.

2701
01:32:54,158 --> 01:32:55,459
Um, my great grandfather had a

2702
01:32:55,459 --> 01:32:56,827
big hand in developing Winston

2703
01:32:56,827 --> 01:32:58,629
and my grandfather after him.

2704
01:32:58,629 --> 01:33:01,131
And I want to repurpose what

2705
01:33:01,131 --> 01:33:02,800
they did. And as a big tribute

2706
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:04,568
to take that and invest it back

2707
01:33:04,568 --> 01:33:06,370
into what made them successful.

2708
01:33:06,370 --> 01:33:07,671
And I think that people a lot

2709
01:33:07,671 --> 01:33:07,838
of times say, you know, well,

2710
01:33:07,838 --> 01:33:08,672
it

2711
01:33:08,672 --> 01:33:10,175
d be nice if somebody

2712
01:33:10,175 --> 01:33:11,810
invested in us, invested in

2713
01:33:11,810 --> 01:33:12,476
where we live and made it a

2714
01:33:12,476 --> 01:33:12,910
better place. And that

2715
01:33:12,910 --> 01:33:14,378
s really

2716
01:33:14,378 --> 01:33:16,413
what this is about. And outdoor

2717
01:33:16,413 --> 01:33:17,381
space is because people and

2718
01:33:17,381 --> 01:33:19,417
animals both need to be

2719
01:33:19,417 --> 01:33:20,850
outside. They need sunlight. It

2720
01:33:20,850 --> 01:33:22,152
would not be a very good rescue

2721
01:33:22,152 --> 01:33:23,254
and not be very responsible for

2722
01:33:23,254 --> 01:33:25,690
us if we just left animals

2723
01:33:25,690 --> 01:33:28,592
outside, or if we left them in

2724
01:33:28,592 --> 01:33:29,827
their own mess, and if they

2725
01:33:29,827 --> 01:33:31,629
made a mess, and if they sink

2726
01:33:31,629 --> 01:33:33,631
and if they barked. That said,

2727
01:33:33,631 --> 01:33:34,866
I completely understand anyone

2728
01:33:34,866 --> 01:33:36,100
that would have concerns around

2729
01:33:36,100 --> 01:33:37,301
that. Because if I thought

2730
01:33:37,301 --> 01:33:39,703
somebody was going to build

2731
01:33:39,703 --> 01:33:41,338
outdoor kennels, just letting

2732
01:33:41,338 --> 01:33:42,600
dogs, you know, hunting dogs,

2733
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:42,140
anything like that, they

2734
01:33:42,140 --> 01:33:43,240
re

2735
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:45,209
going to sit outside and bark

2736
01:33:45,209 --> 01:33:46,744
and make a mess and stink. That

2737
01:33:46,744 --> 01:33:47,945
that is not a rescue of which

2738
01:33:47,945 --> 01:33:49,581
people would want to come and

2739
01:33:49,581 --> 01:33:49,781
adopt animals from. Um, it

2740
01:33:49,781 --> 01:33:51,348
s

2741
01:33:51,348 --> 01:33:53,150
also not one where people who

2742
01:33:53,150 --> 01:33:55,552
might not have the chance to be

2743
01:33:55,552 --> 01:33:57,355
exposed to cats and dogs can

2744
01:33:57,355 --> 01:33:59,189
have that time. They can go in,

2745
01:33:59,189 --> 01:34:01,560
they can spend time with dogs

2746
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:02,594
and cats and volunteer and kind

2747
01:34:02,594 --> 01:34:04,194
of just bring the community

2748
01:34:04,194 --> 01:34:06,697
together. I think you saw the

2749
01:34:06,697 --> 01:34:07,898
photos. What we intend to do, I

2750
01:34:07,898 --> 01:34:09,466
mean, even from the pictures,

2751
01:34:09,466 --> 01:34:10,670
is to clean that space up, to

2752
01:34:10,670 --> 01:34:10,702
take a space that

2753
01:34:10,702 --> 01:34:12,702
s not being

2754
01:34:12,971 --> 01:34:14,438
used to not waste the resources

2755
01:34:14,438 --> 01:34:16,373
to build a totally new one, but

2756
01:34:16,373 --> 01:34:17,808
to use what Winston already has

2757
01:34:17,808 --> 01:34:19,110
and to make it something nice

2758
01:34:19,110 --> 01:34:20,411
and to make it something that

2759
01:34:20,411 --> 01:34:22,346
people and animals alike can

2760
01:34:22,346 --> 01:34:22,680
benefit from. And in a time

2761
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:24,680
where there

2762
01:34:25,382 --> 01:34:27,510
s a 43% increase in

2763
01:34:27,510 --> 01:34:28,786
economical surrenders at

2764
01:34:28,786 --> 01:34:30,821
shelters, this is something

2765
01:34:30,821 --> 01:34:31,622
that the city needs. Um.

2766
01:34:31,622 --> 01:34:32,323
Let me ask you a couple.

2767
01:34:32,323 --> 01:34:32,823
Yeah. Sorry. I

2768
01:34:32,823 --> 01:34:33,189
m gonna keep it

2769
01:34:33,189 --> 01:34:34,226
stolen.

2770
01:34:34,226 --> 01:34:34,858
Are you a current resident of

2771
01:34:34,858 --> 01:34:35,459
Winston-Salem?

2772
01:34:35,459 --> 01:34:35,659
Yes.

2773
01:34:35,659 --> 01:34:36,427
What

2774
01:34:36,427 --> 01:34:38,960
s your address?

2775
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:40,960
325 Mendota Drive.

2776
01:34:40,532 --> 01:34:42,534
And in 2025, you formed a

2777
01:34:42,534 --> 01:34:43,501
non-profit corporation for this

2778
01:34:43,501 --> 01:34:44,703
purpose? Yes.

2779
01:34:44,703 --> 01:34:45,470
Are you. Are you.

2780
01:34:45,470 --> 01:34:47,870
Do you currently have

2781
01:34:47,871 --> 01:34:48,239
experience in sheltering rescue

2782
01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:49,341
animals?

2783
01:34:49,341 --> 01:34:51,341
Yes.

2784
01:34:51,743 --> 01:34:53,100
Can you talk about the the

2785
01:34:53,100 --> 01:34:55,346
whether there is a public need

2786
01:34:55,346 --> 01:34:57,314
for more animal shelter space

2787
01:34:57,314 --> 01:34:59,317
in Winston-Salem, for example,

2788
01:34:59,317 --> 01:35:00,451
do you get calls from people

2789
01:35:00,451 --> 01:35:01,385
needing to find places for

2790
01:35:01,385 --> 01:35:02,220
their rescue animals?

2791
01:35:02,220 --> 01:35:03,821
Yes.

2792
01:35:03,821 --> 01:35:05,389
Um, we get hundreds of calls

2793
01:35:05,389 --> 01:35:07,992
and specifically emails. I will

2794
01:35:07,992 --> 01:35:09,227
say cats are infinitely worse

2795
01:35:09,227 --> 01:35:10,461
in the moment than dogs. I will

2796
01:35:10,461 --> 01:35:12,970
give you a timeline, but there

2797
01:35:12,970 --> 01:35:13,130
was a time when animal control

2798
01:35:13,130 --> 01:35:13,831
and humane side of in the same

2799
01:35:13,831 --> 01:35:14,398
building, and we

2800
01:35:14,398 --> 01:35:15,466
ve been very

2801
01:35:15,466 --> 01:35:17,466
limited on resources.

2802
01:35:18,503 --> 01:35:20,503
Since then.

2803
01:35:20,838 --> 01:35:23,774
Sorry. Um, and one just very

2804
01:35:23,774 --> 01:35:24,976
quick fact is that cat math is

2805
01:35:24,976 --> 01:35:26,777
if you have one male and one

2806
01:35:26,777 --> 01:35:28,480
female cat over the course of

2807
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:30,315
one year, worst case scenario

2808
01:35:30,315 --> 01:35:32,216
can create 400. So when you

2809
01:35:32,216 --> 01:35:34,753
hear cat colonies and you hear

2810
01:35:34,753 --> 01:35:35,453
things like this, it is a much

2811
01:35:35,453 --> 01:35:35,820
bigger issue that

2812
01:35:35,820 --> 01:35:37,188
s going to

2813
01:35:37,188 --> 01:35:37,354
get much bigger over the years.

2814
01:35:37,354 --> 01:35:38,990
We

2815
01:35:38,990 --> 01:35:40,891
re not asking for resources.

2816
01:35:40,891 --> 01:35:44,610
We are trying to give resources

2817
01:35:44,610 --> 01:35:44,495
to the city. We are asking for

2818
01:35:44,495 --> 01:35:45,664
funding. We

2819
01:35:45,664 --> 01:35:47,499
re trying to fund

2820
01:35:47,499 --> 01:35:48,700
ourselves to help this out.

2821
01:35:48,700 --> 01:35:50,435
Councillor Ward five minutes.

2822
01:35:50,435 --> 01:35:52,435
Be.

2823
01:35:52,971 --> 01:35:53,137
Um. Rick Brandt is here. He

2824
01:35:53,137 --> 01:35:54,371
s

2825
01:35:54,371 --> 01:35:56,173
an appraiser with Loftus

2826
01:35:56,173 --> 01:35:57,609
Companies. He has seven slides

2827
01:35:57,609 --> 01:35:59,410
to explain his paired sales

2828
01:35:59,410 --> 01:36:00,745
analysis. On the question of

2829
01:36:00,745 --> 01:36:02,948
whether there is harm to the

2830
01:36:02,948 --> 01:36:03,181
adjoining properties. Uh, we

2831
01:36:03,181 --> 01:36:04,683
ll

2832
01:36:04,683 --> 01:36:05,115
try to do it in five minutes.

2833
01:36:05,115 --> 01:36:05,884
Okay. That

2834
01:36:05,884 --> 01:36:06,750
d be great.

2835
01:36:06,750 --> 01:36:08,750
Thanks.

2836
01:36:15,359 --> 01:36:15,526
Thank you.

2837
01:36:15,526 --> 01:36:16,927
Let

2838
01:36:16,927 --> 01:36:17,940
s see. Do we have. There

2839
01:36:17,940 --> 01:36:19,940
s

2840
01:36:19,997 --> 01:36:21,266
another set of slides for MR.

2841
01:36:21,266 --> 01:36:22,801
Brandt.

2842
01:36:22,801 --> 01:36:24,269
There we go.

2843
01:36:24,269 --> 01:36:25,337
Uh, could you introduce

2844
01:36:25,337 --> 01:36:26,204
yourself and explain your

2845
01:36:26,204 --> 01:36:27,605
qualifications?

2846
01:36:27,605 --> 01:36:27,939
Uh, my name is Rick Brandt. I

2847
01:36:27,939 --> 01:36:29,507
m

2848
01:36:29,507 --> 01:36:30,342
an appraiser here with Loftus

2849
01:36:30,342 --> 01:36:31,776
Appraisal Company in

2850
01:36:31,776 --> 01:36:34,176
Winston-Salem. Our office on

2851
01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:35,847
6160 Campbell Forest Drive in

2852
01:36:35,847 --> 01:36:37,448
Winston-Salem. I

2853
01:36:37,448 --> 01:36:39,751
m an ma. I,

2854
01:36:39,751 --> 01:36:39,985
uh, Appraisal Institute member.

2855
01:36:39,985 --> 01:36:41,190
Uh, I

2856
01:36:41,190 --> 01:36:42,953
ve been appraising here

2857
01:36:42,953 --> 01:36:43,788
within the city for over 20

2858
01:36:43,788 --> 01:36:45,788
years.

2859
01:36:46,910 --> 01:36:46,958
Thank you. If you

2860
01:36:46,958 --> 01:36:47,893
ll go to.

2861
01:36:47,893 --> 01:36:49,270
And with respect to the

2862
01:36:49,270 --> 01:36:51,228
question of whether there would

2863
01:36:51,228 --> 01:36:52,664
be substantial harm to the

2864
01:36:52,664 --> 01:36:54,599
value of adjoining or adjacent

2865
01:36:54,599 --> 01:36:56,534
properties, if an outdoor

2866
01:36:56,534 --> 01:36:59,371
kennel, an outdoor, an outdoor

2867
01:36:59,371 --> 01:37:01,539
enclosure, uh, if an if an

2868
01:37:01,539 --> 01:37:02,908
outdoor enclosure were approved

2869
01:37:02,908 --> 01:37:04,241
by the special use permit, did

2870
01:37:04,241 --> 01:37:05,777
you do any analysis?

2871
01:37:05,777 --> 01:37:09,514
I did, I did a paired sales

2872
01:37:09,514 --> 01:37:11,417
study of comparable, uh, homes

2873
01:37:11,417 --> 01:37:12,817
located in close proximity to

2874
01:37:12,817 --> 01:37:14,719
kennels. The first one was a

2875
01:37:14,719 --> 01:37:16,719
development called Dorchester,

2876
01:37:17,220 --> 01:37:18,491
uh, in Northern David County.

2877
01:37:18,491 --> 01:37:20,558
Uh, if you look up there on the

2878
01:37:20,558 --> 01:37:23,529
map, uh, you can see the

2879
01:37:23,529 --> 01:37:26,797
location of no goats, no glory.

2880
01:37:26,797 --> 01:37:27,799
Uh, kennel. And, uh, the dot is

2881
01:37:27,799 --> 01:37:29,935
more or less over there.

2882
01:37:29,935 --> 01:37:32,304
Outdoor enclosure. Uh, that

2883
01:37:32,304 --> 01:37:33,838
outdoor enclosure is located,

2884
01:37:33,838 --> 01:37:35,172
uh, very close to the subject

2885
01:37:35,172 --> 01:37:37,442
property. If you go to the next

2886
01:37:37,442 --> 01:37:37,576
slide, I can give you it

2887
01:37:37,576 --> 01:37:39,576
s

2888
01:37:41,681 --> 01:37:43,281
160ft from the subject property

2889
01:37:43,281 --> 01:37:44,349
to the kennel, uh, to the

2890
01:37:44,349 --> 01:37:46,500
outdoor enclosure of that

2891
01:37:46,500 --> 01:37:48,190
kennel. Uh, the way you do a

2892
01:37:48,190 --> 01:37:50,322
paired sales study is you look

2893
01:37:50,322 --> 01:37:52,424
for other homes that are highly

2894
01:37:52,424 --> 01:37:54,793
similar, that are a further

2895
01:37:54,793 --> 01:37:56,428
distance away, that should not

2896
01:37:56,428 --> 01:37:58,129
be impacted in any way by the

2897
01:37:58,129 --> 01:37:59,998
presence of that outdoor

2898
01:37:59,998 --> 01:38:02,434
kennel. Uh, and in this case, I

2899
01:38:02,434 --> 01:38:04,769
found two homes on that same

2900
01:38:04,769 --> 01:38:07,639
street that were very similar.

2901
01:38:07,639 --> 01:38:08,939
The first one was 400ft away.

2902
01:38:08,939 --> 01:38:10,942
Uh, and the way you proceed

2903
01:38:10,942 --> 01:38:12,780
with the paired sales study is

2904
01:38:12,780 --> 01:38:13,578
just like when you purchase a

2905
01:38:13,578 --> 01:38:15,130
home, you make adjustments for

2906
01:38:15,130 --> 01:38:16,213
all the things that are

2907
01:38:16,213 --> 01:38:18,613
dissimilar between the two

2908
01:38:18,851 --> 01:38:20,953
homes to arrive at a adjusted

2909
01:38:20,953 --> 01:38:22,455
price per square foot, if that

2910
01:38:22,455 --> 01:38:25,455
adjusted price per square foot

2911
01:38:25,891 --> 01:38:28,291
were drastically, um, higher

2912
01:38:28,426 --> 01:38:29,293
than what the subject sold for,

2913
01:38:29,293 --> 01:38:29,495
that would tell you that

2914
01:38:29,495 --> 01:38:30,495
there

2915
01:38:30,495 --> 01:38:32,310
s some impairment with

2916
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:33,398
the subject that we did not

2917
01:38:33,398 --> 01:38:34,866
consider. In this case, that

2918
01:38:34,866 --> 01:38:37,235
would be the presence of the

2919
01:38:37,235 --> 01:38:39,137
kennel. Uh, in this case, the

2920
01:38:39,137 --> 01:38:41,941
first comparable came in at

2921
01:38:41,941 --> 01:38:44,276
$126 per square foot. The

2922
01:38:44,276 --> 01:38:46,178
subject property sold for 151,

2923
01:38:46,178 --> 01:38:48,346
indicating that there was no

2924
01:38:48,346 --> 01:38:51,346
impairment present. Uh, if you

2925
01:38:51,851 --> 01:38:52,500
go to the next slide, uh,

2926
01:38:52,500 --> 01:38:53,119
that

2927
01:38:53,119 --> 01:38:56,119
s comparable to it was

2928
01:38:56,821 --> 01:38:59,257
located 800ft away. Um, and it

2929
01:38:59,257 --> 01:39:00,958
was a new home. Uh, if you look

2930
01:39:00,958 --> 01:39:04,558
at it, the adjusted price per

2931
01:39:04,729 --> 01:39:05,864
square foot was $119 per square

2932
01:39:05,864 --> 01:39:08,266
foot, as opposed to the

2933
01:39:08,266 --> 01:39:10,100
subject, which sold for 151. So

2934
01:39:10,100 --> 01:39:10,302
again, there is no indication

2935
01:39:10,302 --> 01:39:11,269
that there

2936
01:39:11,269 --> 01:39:13,710
s any detrimental

2937
01:39:13,710 --> 01:39:15,410
condition created by the

2938
01:39:15,410 --> 01:39:17,609
presence of the outdoor, uh,

2939
01:39:17,609 --> 01:39:19,611
dog enclosure. Uh, go to the

2940
01:39:19,611 --> 01:39:21,780
next slide. This is the second

2941
01:39:21,780 --> 01:39:23,915
study I conducted. This is in

2942
01:39:23,915 --> 01:39:26,551
Oak Valley Country Club in

2943
01:39:26,551 --> 01:39:28,220
advance. Uh, if you look at the

2944
01:39:28,220 --> 01:39:30,388
top there, hound housing,

2945
01:39:30,388 --> 01:39:31,220
doggie daycare, uh, has an

2946
01:39:31,220 --> 01:39:31,890
enclosure that

2947
01:39:31,890 --> 01:39:33,890
s directly

2948
01:39:34,393 --> 01:39:36,394
adjacent to, uh, homes in Oak

2949
01:39:36,394 --> 01:39:38,663
Valley Country Club. Uh, the

2950
01:39:38,663 --> 01:39:40,299
subject property, uh, is

2951
01:39:40,299 --> 01:39:42,867
located on the other side of

2952
01:39:42,867 --> 01:39:43,468
the fence from the doggie

2953
01:39:43,468 --> 01:39:44,369
daycare. If you

2954
01:39:44,369 --> 01:39:46,769
ll flip to the

2955
01:39:47,105 --> 01:39:47,573
next slide. Um, there you can

2956
01:39:47,573 --> 01:39:49,140
see that it

2957
01:39:49,140 --> 01:39:50,776
s 650ft from the

2958
01:39:50,776 --> 01:39:53,144
house to the area of the

2959
01:39:53,144 --> 01:39:56,144
enclosure. Uh, there I looked

2960
01:39:56,348 --> 01:39:58,490
at two homes also. Um, after

2961
01:39:58,490 --> 01:40:01,490
adjustments, the first one came

2962
01:40:01,954 --> 01:40:04,623
in at $163.16 as opposed to the

2963
01:40:04,623 --> 01:40:06,691
subject at 164 30. So that

2964
01:40:06,691 --> 01:40:08,461
indicates that it was, um, you

2965
01:40:08,461 --> 01:40:09,661
know, very similar indicated

2966
01:40:09,661 --> 01:40:10,629
price to what it actually sold

2967
01:40:10,629 --> 01:40:12,798
for. And there was no

2968
01:40:12,798 --> 01:40:14,199
detrimental condition there.

2969
01:40:14,199 --> 01:40:17,670
Uh, if you go to comparable

2970
01:40:17,670 --> 01:40:20,940
number two, uh, again, um, that

2971
01:40:20,940 --> 01:40:21,741
one was 2000ft away. Uh, on

2972
01:40:21,741 --> 01:40:23,542
that one, the only thing I

2973
01:40:23,542 --> 01:40:24,377
would note there is that part

2974
01:40:24,377 --> 01:40:26,378
of the reason the adjusted

2975
01:40:26,378 --> 01:40:27,746
sales price is so low is that

2976
01:40:27,746 --> 01:40:29,915
when backed up to the 15th

2977
01:40:29,915 --> 01:40:31,250
fairway, and we use paired

2978
01:40:31,250 --> 01:40:32,617
sales to make adjustments for

2979
01:40:32,617 --> 01:40:34,210
things that have golf views,

2980
01:40:34,210 --> 01:40:35,787
and that required a much larger

2981
01:40:35,787 --> 01:40:37,289
adjustment than the other one.

2982
01:40:37,289 --> 01:40:38,491
So, uh, you notice the gross

2983
01:40:38,491 --> 01:40:40,559
adjustments are fairly large

2984
01:40:40,559 --> 01:40:41,861
there. But again, it, uh,

2985
01:40:41,861 --> 01:40:42,861
indicated no detrimental

2986
01:40:42,861 --> 01:40:45,861
condition at all for the

2987
01:40:47,300 --> 01:40:49,300
subject.

2988
01:40:49,401 --> 01:40:51,169
And so after doing that

2989
01:40:51,169 --> 01:40:51,670
analysis and you

2990
01:40:51,670 --> 01:40:52,772
re familiar

2991
01:40:52,772 --> 01:40:54,106
with the subject site that we

2992
01:40:54,106 --> 01:40:56,374
have, the application on

2993
01:40:56,374 --> 01:40:58,100
tonight and understanding how

2994
01:40:58,100 --> 01:40:59,378
that site is situated based on

2995
01:40:59,378 --> 01:41:01,778
your analysis of other.

2996
01:41:01,814 --> 01:41:03,316
Sales community.

2997
01:41:03,316 --> 01:41:05,216
What is your conclusion about

2998
01:41:05,216 --> 01:41:07,186
whether the proposed outdoor

2999
01:41:07,186 --> 01:41:09,155
enclosure would substantially

3000
01:41:09,155 --> 01:41:09,755
harm values of adjoining

3001
01:41:09,755 --> 01:41:10,210
property?

3002
01:41:10,210 --> 01:41:11,223
I can

3003
01:41:11,223 --> 01:41:14,223
t find any evidence that

3004
01:41:14,660 --> 01:41:16,620
it would.

3005
01:41:16,620 --> 01:41:18,620
Sir.

3006
01:41:18,697 --> 01:41:20,233
Um, MR. Mayor, those are all of

3007
01:41:20,233 --> 01:41:23,340
our witnesses. If it would help

3008
01:41:23,340 --> 01:41:25,237
the council, uh, at the end of

3009
01:41:25,237 --> 01:41:27,340
the opposition I have, I could

3010
01:41:27,340 --> 01:41:28,941
present a very brief summation

3011
01:41:28,941 --> 01:41:31,543
addressing the evidence on each

3012
01:41:31,543 --> 01:41:32,577
of these factors. Go ahead. You

3013
01:41:32,577 --> 01:41:36,177
would like me to proceed now.

3014
01:41:37,148 --> 01:41:38,416
Thank you. On the factor of

3015
01:41:38,416 --> 01:41:39,851
whether the outdoor enclosure

3016
01:41:39,851 --> 01:41:41,553
would not materially endanger

3017
01:41:41,553 --> 01:41:43,122
the public health or safety if

3018
01:41:43,122 --> 01:41:44,189
located, were proposed and

3019
01:41:44,189 --> 01:41:46,589
developed. According to the

3020
01:41:46,859 --> 01:41:48,294
application and the plan. And

3021
01:41:48,294 --> 01:41:50,228
if the plan is submitted and

3022
01:41:50,228 --> 01:41:51,596
and approved, I would point out

3023
01:41:51,596 --> 01:41:53,650
that it is already zoned

3024
01:41:53,650 --> 01:41:54,599
General Industrial, which the

3025
01:41:54,599 --> 01:41:55,800
staff report points out is the

3026
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:57,135
most intense industrial

3027
01:41:57,135 --> 01:41:59,672
district allowed in the zoning

3028
01:41:59,672 --> 01:42:01,273
ordinance. There are many, much

3029
01:42:01,273 --> 01:42:02,742
more disruptive uses that this

3030
01:42:02,742 --> 01:42:04,510
property could be put to

3031
01:42:04,510 --> 01:42:06,910
without any additional permits

3032
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:08,682
from the City council. Uh, as

3033
01:42:08,682 --> 01:42:09,949
you heard from MR. Murphy, the

3034
01:42:09,949 --> 01:42:11,751
use of the outdoor enclosure is

3035
01:42:11,751 --> 01:42:11,951
limited by your ordinance. The

3036
01:42:11,951 --> 01:42:13,686
city

3037
01:42:13,686 --> 01:42:13,853
s ordinance. Um, there

3038
01:42:13,853 --> 01:42:15,254
s

3039
01:42:15,254 --> 01:42:15,621
no evidence that

3040
01:42:15,621 --> 01:42:16,989
s been

3041
01:42:16,989 --> 01:42:18,189
submitted so far that the use

3042
01:42:18,189 --> 01:42:20,426
of the enclosure would produce

3043
01:42:20,426 --> 01:42:22,193
noise of any particular level.

3044
01:42:22,193 --> 01:42:23,362
The ordinance addresses this

3045
01:42:23,362 --> 01:42:25,565
and limits the hours of

3046
01:42:25,565 --> 01:42:27,466
operation from 8 A.M. To 6

3047
01:42:27,466 --> 01:42:28,902
P.M.. And the animals cannot be

3048
01:42:28,902 --> 01:42:31,537
out in the outdoor enclosure

3049
01:42:31,537 --> 01:42:33,390
unattended. Uh, also, with

3050
01:42:33,390 --> 01:42:35,308
respect to public health and

3051
01:42:35,308 --> 01:42:36,708
safety, the udl requires that

3052
01:42:36,708 --> 01:42:38,511
the waste be addressed on a

3053
01:42:38,511 --> 01:42:39,712
daily basis and the outdoor

3054
01:42:39,712 --> 01:42:40,913
enclosure would not actually

3055
01:42:40,913 --> 01:42:42,381
increase the amount of waste

3056
01:42:42,381 --> 01:42:43,816
being generated here, because

3057
01:42:43,816 --> 01:42:47,416
no animals can be housed out

3058
01:42:49,550 --> 01:42:50,189
there. The, uh, there is a

3059
01:42:50,189 --> 01:42:50,989
significant elevation

3060
01:42:50,989 --> 01:42:52,424
difference between the

3061
01:42:52,424 --> 01:42:54,424
adjoining properties, creating

3062
01:42:55,620 --> 01:42:56,596
a natural barrier. The

3063
01:42:56,596 --> 01:42:58,598
applicant applicant has agreed

3064
01:42:58,598 --> 01:42:59,699
to plant additional trees

3065
01:42:59,699 --> 01:43:01,300
between where the outdoor

3066
01:43:01,300 --> 01:43:02,400
enclosure area is and the

3067
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:04,400
adjacent residential

3068
01:43:04,536 --> 01:43:06,936
properties, which will also

3069
01:43:07,106 --> 01:43:10,106
promote health and safety and

3070
01:43:12,613 --> 01:43:15,514
harmony. As shown on the site,

3071
01:43:15,514 --> 01:43:16,415
plan, uh, this the outdoor

3072
01:43:16,415 --> 01:43:18,815
enclosure will not add

3073
01:43:19,184 --> 01:43:20,919
impervious surface. Um. The

3074
01:43:20,919 --> 01:43:22,421
staff report notes that is not

3075
01:43:22,421 --> 01:43:24,821
expected to generate traffic

3076
01:43:26,192 --> 01:43:27,594
problems. And MISS Dolan, uh,

3077
01:43:27,594 --> 01:43:29,495
testified about the community

3078
01:43:29,495 --> 01:43:30,496
need for this. You just heard

3079
01:43:30,496 --> 01:43:32,531
from Rick Brandt on the

3080
01:43:32,531 --> 01:43:34,400
question of substantial injury

3081
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:36,702
to the adjoining properties.

3082
01:43:36,702 --> 01:43:38,504
And then as for the location

3083
01:43:38,504 --> 01:43:39,672
and whether the location and

3084
01:43:39,672 --> 01:43:41,274
character of the use, if

3085
01:43:41,274 --> 01:43:42,842
developed according to the

3086
01:43:42,842 --> 01:43:43,943
application and plan submitted,

3087
01:43:43,943 --> 01:43:45,945
would be in harmony with the

3088
01:43:45,945 --> 01:43:49,800
area and in conformity with the

3089
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:49,282
comprehensive plan. Uh, by law,

3090
01:43:49,282 --> 01:43:50,282
there

3091
01:43:50,282 --> 01:43:52,785
s a presumption that if

3092
01:43:52,785 --> 01:43:54,453
this is available in the Udo

3093
01:43:54,453 --> 01:43:57,550
with a special use permit, it

3094
01:43:57,550 --> 01:43:58,225
is in harmony with the area.

3095
01:43:58,225 --> 01:43:59,658
Also, this is a general

3096
01:43:59,658 --> 01:44:01,795
industrial area. There is

3097
01:44:01,795 --> 01:44:03,795
adjoining, general industrial

3098
01:44:03,796 --> 01:44:05,665
use currently to the north and

3099
01:44:05,665 --> 01:44:07,667
then across Chatham to the

3100
01:44:07,667 --> 01:44:08,834
east. It

3101
01:44:08,834 --> 01:44:09,100
s a two acre site.

3102
01:44:09,100 --> 01:44:09,802
We

3103
01:44:09,802 --> 01:44:11,505
re not trying to squeeze

3104
01:44:11,505 --> 01:44:15,342
this in on a on a small home

3105
01:44:15,342 --> 01:44:17,476
site. There is a natural

3106
01:44:17,476 --> 01:44:19,110
separation which is noted on

3107
01:44:19,110 --> 01:44:19,645
the site plan and in the staff

3108
01:44:19,645 --> 01:44:20,879
report that

3109
01:44:20,879 --> 01:44:22,148
s created by the

3110
01:44:22,148 --> 01:44:23,950
significant difference in

3111
01:44:23,950 --> 01:44:26,350
elevation and the existing

3112
01:44:27,119 --> 01:44:29,387
vegetation buffer. Uh, it will

3113
01:44:29,387 --> 01:44:31,791
not be visible from the street.

3114
01:44:31,791 --> 01:44:34,191
The two additional conditions

3115
01:44:34,392 --> 01:44:36,463
that have been requested and

3116
01:44:36,463 --> 01:44:38,198
agreed to for this permit are

3117
01:44:38,198 --> 01:44:39,665
limitation on the size of the

3118
01:44:39,665 --> 01:44:41,467
sign, and also the three

3119
01:44:41,467 --> 01:44:43,537
additional trees. I think those

3120
01:44:43,537 --> 01:44:45,538
both would promote harmony of

3121
01:44:45,538 --> 01:44:47,938
this additional enclosure with

3122
01:44:49,709 --> 01:44:51,677
the surrounding area. Uh, and

3123
01:44:51,677 --> 01:44:53,680
then with respect to forward

3124
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,800
2045, the staff report notes

3125
01:44:56,382 --> 01:44:57,583
that conformity can be found.

3126
01:44:57,583 --> 01:44:59,519
Uh, I would note that the site

3127
01:44:59,519 --> 01:45:01,954
plan shows the addition of

3128
01:45:01,954 --> 01:45:03,623
sidewalks on this site, which

3129
01:45:03,623 --> 01:45:04,657
would enhance pedestrian

3130
01:45:04,657 --> 01:45:06,993
access, at least on this

3131
01:45:06,993 --> 01:45:09,395
particular lot, which is one

3132
01:45:09,395 --> 01:45:11,264
factor, a goal of the

3133
01:45:11,264 --> 01:45:12,632
comprehensive plan it would be

3134
01:45:12,632 --> 01:45:13,650
putting to use a vacant

3135
01:45:13,650 --> 01:45:13,666
property that

3136
01:45:13,666 --> 01:45:15,635
s been long

3137
01:45:15,635 --> 01:45:16,836
vacant, uh, which also would

3138
01:45:16,836 --> 01:45:19,305
promote a goal of the

3139
01:45:19,305 --> 01:45:20,539
comprehensive plan. And I would

3140
01:45:20,539 --> 01:45:21,908
argue that it will improve the

3141
01:45:21,908 --> 01:45:23,777
aesthetic appearance of this

3142
01:45:23,777 --> 01:45:25,979
site. And the comprehensive

3143
01:45:25,979 --> 01:45:28,150
plan also has, as a goal,

3144
01:45:28,150 --> 01:45:29,383
cleaner and more attractive

3145
01:45:29,383 --> 01:45:31,217
neighborhoods. And so I would

3146
01:45:31,217 --> 01:45:32,350
urge the council to find that

3147
01:45:32,350 --> 01:45:33,352
the four factors have been

3148
01:45:33,352 --> 01:45:35,352
proven. Thank you.

3149
01:45:36,188 --> 01:45:37,424
Thank you very much. All right.

3150
01:45:37,424 --> 01:45:38,891
Excuse me. We will now hear

3151
01:45:38,891 --> 01:45:40,794
from the opposition. If you

3152
01:45:40,794 --> 01:45:41,627
would come forward and state

3153
01:45:41,627 --> 01:45:43,620
your name and address. For the

3154
01:45:43,620 --> 01:45:45,398
record, we have a number of

3155
01:45:45,398 --> 01:45:45,831
individuals signed up for.

3156
01:45:45,831 --> 01:45:46,567
Sure.

3157
01:45:46,567 --> 01:45:48,967
If I MAY, before.

3158
01:45:52,305 --> 01:45:55,740
I run out of oxygen. Um, Tony

3159
01:45:55,740 --> 01:45:56,842
Gaines, I live at, uh, 151 West

3160
01:45:56,842 --> 01:45:59,842
End Boulevard. Uh, prior to

3161
01:46:00,213 --> 01:46:02,816
that, I lived at 173 and 175

3162
01:46:02,816 --> 01:46:05,852
West End or, excuse me, 175 and

3163
01:46:05,852 --> 01:46:07,520
177 West End Boulevard. All of

3164
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:09,920
those properties are right

3165
01:46:10,357 --> 01:46:13,957
above. I am the houses, right

3166
01:46:14,427 --> 01:46:16,827
above their proposed spot.

3167
01:46:18,297 --> 01:46:21,297
Noise travels, folks. Uh, there

3168
01:46:21,334 --> 01:46:21,468
is a huge embankment, and I bet

3169
01:46:21,468 --> 01:46:23,468
y

3170
01:46:24,538 --> 01:46:26,772
all will improve the

3171
01:46:26,772 --> 01:46:28,772
neighborhood tremendously. But

3172
01:46:29,275 --> 01:46:29,942
noise travels. If there

3173
01:46:29,942 --> 01:46:31,942
s dogs

3174
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:33,847
there, dogs are going to bark.

3175
01:46:33,847 --> 01:46:34,514
Rescues bark. I

3176
01:46:34,514 --> 01:46:35,416
ve got a

3177
01:46:35,416 --> 01:46:37,416
90

3178
01:46:38,718 --> 01:46:40,120
pitbull I rescued last year.

3179
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:40,821
Prior to that, I had a

3180
01:46:40,821 --> 01:46:42,821
80

3181
01:46:43,222 --> 01:46:45,910
German Shepherd I rescued or

3182
01:46:45,910 --> 01:46:47,593
they rescued me. But sound

3183
01:46:47,593 --> 01:46:49,428
travels and regardless of how

3184
01:46:49,428 --> 01:46:51,364
many employees you have

3185
01:46:51,364 --> 01:46:51,731
handling these dogs, it

3186
01:46:51,731 --> 01:46:53,731
s going

3187
01:46:54,934 --> 01:46:58,370
to be noisy. So yeah, there

3188
01:46:58,370 --> 01:46:59,239
will be noise. You can only

3189
01:46:59,239 --> 01:46:59,841
control. You

3190
01:46:59,841 --> 01:47:01,841
ve been around

3191
01:47:01,842 --> 01:47:02,175
dogs, you understand? So that

3192
01:47:02,175 --> 01:47:04,175
s

3193
01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:07,614
my concern. Yeah, I was really,

3194
01:47:07,614 --> 01:47:09,182
really opposed to the idea of

3195
01:47:09,182 --> 01:47:11,718
dogs being there and making all

3196
01:47:11,718 --> 01:47:13,386
the noise they could make. But

3197
01:47:13,386 --> 01:47:16,188
yeah, I realize that it could

3198
01:47:16,188 --> 01:47:18,158
be a whole lot worse. Uh, Heinz

3199
01:47:18,158 --> 01:47:20,558
dying fishing, for instance,

3200
01:47:20,761 --> 01:47:23,300
has ruined my $80,000 beautiful

3201
01:47:23,300 --> 01:47:23,896
pickup truck with acid rain.

3202
01:47:23,896 --> 01:47:25,970
But that

3203
01:47:25,970 --> 01:47:27,501
s part of doing a

3204
01:47:27,501 --> 01:47:29,901
business in Winston-Salem. Uh,

3205
01:47:31,638 --> 01:47:31,838
so my challenge is that if

3206
01:47:31,838 --> 01:47:32,906
there

3207
01:47:32,906 --> 01:47:35,306
s anything else that

3208
01:47:35,542 --> 01:47:38,511
could be done to buffer the

3209
01:47:38,511 --> 01:47:39,679
noise because the hill is not

3210
01:47:39,679 --> 01:47:39,846
going to stop the noise. I

3211
01:47:39,846 --> 01:47:41,846
don

3212
01:47:42,717 --> 01:47:45,510
t know if a noise reducing

3213
01:47:45,510 --> 01:47:45,518
wall would help, but that

3214
01:47:45,518 --> 01:47:46,386
s my

3215
01:47:46,386 --> 01:47:48,386
concern. I

3216
01:47:48,555 --> 01:47:49,922
ve got two duplexes

3217
01:47:49,922 --> 01:47:52,892
right up on that hill that I

3218
01:47:52,892 --> 01:47:55,495
ran out. I would hate for my

3219
01:47:55,495 --> 01:47:55,962
tenants to say, we can

3220
01:47:55,962 --> 01:47:57,962
t live

3221
01:47:58,198 --> 01:47:58,498
here because of the dog noise.

3222
01:47:58,498 --> 01:48:00,467
So that

3223
01:48:00,467 --> 01:48:02,336
s my concern. And I was

3224
01:48:02,336 --> 01:48:04,437
able to pay my property taxes

3225
01:48:04,437 --> 01:48:05,771
the other day because of my

3226
01:48:05,771 --> 01:48:06,573
tenants. I don

3227
01:48:06,573 --> 01:48:08,208
t want that to

3228
01:48:08,208 --> 01:48:09,420
change. So that

3229
01:48:09,420 --> 01:48:09,376
s about all I

3230
01:48:09,376 --> 01:48:10,770
have to say.

3231
01:48:10,770 --> 01:48:13,770
Thank you. Thank you, MISS

3232
01:48:19,860 --> 01:48:20,520
Gaines. All right, next.

3233
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:22,155
Hello again.

3234
01:48:22,155 --> 01:48:23,590
I feel like we were just here.

3235
01:48:23,590 --> 01:48:25,358
Um, yeah. My name is Chris

3236
01:48:25,358 --> 01:48:26,860
Krajewski. I live at 811 North

3237
01:48:26,860 --> 01:48:27,560
Spring Street. Um, I

3238
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:28,128
m the

3239
01:48:28,128 --> 01:48:29,280
building. I

3240
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:31,280
m the residence

3241
01:48:31,397 --> 01:48:34,397
directly behind. Um, the the

3242
01:48:34,700 --> 01:48:36,203
Chatham building. Um, the

3243
01:48:36,203 --> 01:48:36,336
pictures that were shown that

3244
01:48:36,336 --> 01:48:37,137
I

3245
01:48:37,137 --> 01:48:37,904
m going off script here, the

3246
01:48:37,904 --> 01:48:40,304
pictures that were shown

3247
01:48:40,474 --> 01:48:42,876
earlier, full summer, all the

3248
01:48:42,876 --> 01:48:44,544
greens there, uh, during the,

3249
01:48:44,544 --> 01:48:45,746
uh, during the winter season,

3250
01:48:45,746 --> 01:48:47,281
all that green is gone. We have

3251
01:48:47,281 --> 01:48:48,515
a direct shot. You know, our

3252
01:48:48,515 --> 01:48:52,619
our yard is the one that backs

3253
01:48:52,619 --> 01:48:54,588
right up to, um, that lot. Um,

3254
01:48:54,588 --> 01:48:55,589
and I understand MR. Mosley has

3255
01:48:55,589 --> 01:48:56,590
been trying to unload this

3256
01:48:56,590 --> 01:48:57,791
property for a long time, and

3257
01:48:57,791 --> 01:48:58,859
I. And I do feel for him, and

3258
01:48:58,859 --> 01:49:00,930
it does sound like the

3259
01:49:00,930 --> 01:49:01,610
proponents made a great case.

3260
01:49:01,610 --> 01:49:01,562
And I think if it does go

3261
01:49:01,562 --> 01:49:01,862
through, I think they

3262
01:49:01,862 --> 01:49:03,862
re going

3263
01:49:04,364 --> 01:49:06,935
to do the right thing. That

3264
01:49:06,935 --> 01:49:08,402
being said, sound travels as

3265
01:49:08,402 --> 01:49:10,237
much as I want to. As much as I

3266
01:49:10,237 --> 01:49:11,504
want to support this. Um, this

3267
01:49:11,504 --> 01:49:11,672
is the second time that I

3268
01:49:11,672 --> 01:49:13,672
ve

3269
01:49:14,908 --> 01:49:16,945
been here. Um, pushing back

3270
01:49:16,945 --> 01:49:19,146
against a dog kennel in 2010,

3271
01:49:19,146 --> 01:49:20,714
Carolina Pet Place wanted the

3272
01:49:20,714 --> 01:49:22,916
same exact thing, but. But in

3273
01:49:22,916 --> 01:49:23,917
the building next door, um, an

3274
01:49:23,917 --> 01:49:25,519
indoor kennel with an outdoor

3275
01:49:25,519 --> 01:49:26,987
dog space. During the day. At

3276
01:49:26,987 --> 01:49:28,220
the time, my daughter and I

3277
01:49:28,220 --> 01:49:30,157
went to the Clemens location,

3278
01:49:30,157 --> 01:49:31,426
parked about as far away from

3279
01:49:31,426 --> 01:49:32,826
the building is where we

3280
01:49:32,826 --> 01:49:34,661
thought our house was was, and

3281
01:49:34,661 --> 01:49:38,310
we could hear dogs inside very

3282
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:39,534
clearly from that distance. Um,

3283
01:49:39,534 --> 01:49:41,736
we as a neighborhood voiced our

3284
01:49:41,736 --> 01:49:44,137
opposition, uh, right here in

3285
01:49:44,137 --> 01:49:45,773
this room. And, um, the council

3286
01:49:45,773 --> 01:49:46,708
sided with us, and and the

3287
01:49:46,708 --> 01:49:49,108
planning board denied their

3288
01:49:49,310 --> 01:49:51,310
proposal. Um, the argument

3289
01:49:51,310 --> 01:49:53,513
against this kennel is the same

3290
01:49:53,513 --> 01:49:55,415
as it was against that kennel.

3291
01:49:55,415 --> 01:49:57,417
Uh, the proposed site is

3292
01:49:57,417 --> 01:49:59,319
surrounded by homes, many like

3293
01:49:59,319 --> 01:50:00,587
ours, in the historic West End.

3294
01:50:00,587 --> 01:50:02,657
And part of the ambiance of

3295
01:50:02,657 --> 01:50:04,570
that neighborhood is the

3296
01:50:04,570 --> 01:50:05,826
peacefulness we have in living

3297
01:50:05,826 --> 01:50:07,895
in the shadow of a bustling

3298
01:50:07,895 --> 01:50:09,363
downtown, but not in it. And a

3299
01:50:09,363 --> 01:50:10,998
dog kennel is simply not a good

3300
01:50:10,998 --> 01:50:12,634
fit. Even in an area zoned for

3301
01:50:12,634 --> 01:50:13,467
commercial use. We

3302
01:50:13,467 --> 01:50:15,690
re fine with

3303
01:50:15,690 --> 01:50:15,235
the white noise. Hum. I don

3304
01:50:15,235 --> 01:50:16,937
t

3305
01:50:16,937 --> 01:50:18,572
get the acid rain, but we do

3306
01:50:18,572 --> 01:50:19,774
get the white noise hum of the

3307
01:50:19,774 --> 01:50:21,842
machinery from a Heinz dine

3308
01:50:21,842 --> 01:50:22,750
finishing plant. Um, and that

3309
01:50:22,750 --> 01:50:23,377
s

3310
01:50:23,377 --> 01:50:25,513
fine because it is sort of

3311
01:50:25,513 --> 01:50:28,513
white noise, but dogs barking

3312
01:50:28,682 --> 01:50:28,916
is not that. Um, I just feel

3313
01:50:28,916 --> 01:50:29,416
like it

3314
01:50:29,416 --> 01:50:30,884
s going to create

3315
01:50:30,884 --> 01:50:32,718
tremendous noise pollution. Not

3316
01:50:32,718 --> 01:50:33,754
to I, not to mention the smell.

3317
01:50:33,754 --> 01:50:34,220
I think you made a good case

3318
01:50:34,220 --> 01:50:35,356
that that

3319
01:50:35,356 --> 01:50:36,790
s not going to be the

3320
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:37,324
worst part, but it

3321
01:50:37,324 --> 01:50:39,920
s just as

3322
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:40,661
far as being conducive to

3323
01:50:40,661 --> 01:50:42,163
living, to residential living

3324
01:50:42,163 --> 01:50:44,298
in this, you know, peaceful

3325
01:50:44,298 --> 01:50:45,567
enclave that is the West End.

3326
01:50:45,567 --> 01:50:46,433
Um, and it

3327
01:50:46,433 --> 01:50:48,435
s hard to say. You

3328
01:50:48,435 --> 01:50:52,306
know, I do take a little bit of

3329
01:50:52,306 --> 01:50:52,506
umbrage on the the fact that it

3330
01:50:52,506 --> 01:50:54,241
didn

3331
01:50:54,241 --> 01:50:55,776
t show property values

3332
01:50:55,776 --> 01:50:57,978
dropping in those certain

3333
01:50:57,978 --> 01:50:58,779
cases, but it

3334
01:50:58,779 --> 01:51:00,949
s hard to put a

3335
01:51:00,949 --> 01:51:01,114
price on quality of life, and

3336
01:51:01,114 --> 01:51:02,316
it

3337
01:51:02,316 --> 01:51:04,519
s hard to put the burden on

3338
01:51:04,519 --> 01:51:06,821
us to prove after the fact that

3339
01:51:06,821 --> 01:51:08,591
it did. In fact, drop our house

3340
01:51:08,591 --> 01:51:09,923
prices, prices, because it

3341
01:51:09,923 --> 01:51:12,260
feels like that kennel is much

3342
01:51:12,260 --> 01:51:16,460
closer than the ones in the um,

3343
01:51:17,232 --> 01:51:17,397
in the examples. Um, so why is.

3344
01:51:17,397 --> 01:51:18,932
It.

3345
01:51:18,932 --> 01:51:20,668
Is, you know, here we go again.

3346
01:51:20,668 --> 01:51:22,690
I, we were just here we, you

3347
01:51:22,690 --> 01:51:23,938
know, you guys opposed a

3348
01:51:23,938 --> 01:51:25,773
nightclub that was proposed at

3349
01:51:25,773 --> 01:51:27,575
the same place due to the noise

3350
01:51:27,575 --> 01:51:29,344
it would create the noise that

3351
01:51:29,344 --> 01:51:30,177
goes straight at us, rises up

3352
01:51:30,177 --> 01:51:30,744
the hill. So whether it

3353
01:51:30,744 --> 01:51:32,744
s cars,

3354
01:51:32,847 --> 01:51:33,949
people, music or dogs barking,

3355
01:51:33,949 --> 01:51:35,215
and it just feels like there

3356
01:51:35,215 --> 01:51:36,351
are other industrial sites in

3357
01:51:36,351 --> 01:51:37,685
Winston that don

3358
01:51:37,685 --> 01:51:39,453
t back up to,

3359
01:51:39,453 --> 01:51:41,550
uh, residential neighborhoods

3360
01:51:41,550 --> 01:51:42,658
with families, some with babies

3361
01:51:42,658 --> 01:51:43,791
and young children. Um, some of

3362
01:51:43,791 --> 01:51:46,260
the young families up on West

3363
01:51:46,260 --> 01:51:48,363
End Boulevard and many of whom,

3364
01:51:48,363 --> 01:51:50,197
like us that have dogs, will no

3365
01:51:50,197 --> 01:51:50,397
doubt join in the barking. If

3366
01:51:50,397 --> 01:51:51,399
there

3367
01:51:51,399 --> 01:51:53,340
s barking out, hear my

3368
01:51:53,340 --> 01:51:55,336
dogs barking inside or barking

3369
01:51:55,336 --> 01:51:56,671
out in the backyard. Um, it

3370
01:51:56,671 --> 01:51:58,574
just feels like it will be

3371
01:51:58,574 --> 01:51:59,741
relentless at some point. And

3372
01:51:59,741 --> 01:52:01,174
we spent a lot of time in our

3373
01:52:01,174 --> 01:52:01,776
backyard year round. It just

3374
01:52:01,776 --> 01:52:03,444
feels like it would be

3375
01:52:03,444 --> 01:52:05,114
detrimental to our home life.

3376
01:52:05,114 --> 01:52:06,947
So I respectfully ask that you

3377
01:52:06,947 --> 01:52:09,150
please protect the integrity of

3378
01:52:09,150 --> 01:52:11,180
this historic neighborhood. Um,

3379
01:52:11,180 --> 01:52:13,153
as it was in Winston-Salem,

3380
01:52:13,153 --> 01:52:15,230
Council has done in prior cases

3381
01:52:15,230 --> 01:52:15,756
and deny this proposal. Thank

3382
01:52:15,756 --> 01:52:17,756
you.

3383
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:28,800
Cynthia Kelly.

3384
01:52:29,236 --> 01:52:31,738
My name is Cynthia Kelly. I own

3385
01:52:31,738 --> 01:52:32,740
three residential properties in

3386
01:52:32,740 --> 01:52:34,841
the immediate area of the

3387
01:52:34,841 --> 01:52:37,111
proposed commercial dog kennel,

3388
01:52:37,111 --> 01:52:39,546
two of them directly adjoin the

3389
01:52:39,546 --> 01:52:41,482
proposed kennel kennel property

3390
01:52:41,482 --> 01:52:43,151
along the rear property lines,

3391
01:52:43,151 --> 01:52:46,151
and the third is approximately

3392
01:52:46,554 --> 01:52:46,854
300 yards down the hill. Uh, of

3393
01:52:46,854 --> 01:52:47,988
course, it

3394
01:52:47,988 --> 01:52:49,957
s the historic

3395
01:52:49,957 --> 01:52:50,158
neighborhood of West End. I

3396
01:52:50,158 --> 01:52:51,559
m

3397
01:52:51,559 --> 01:52:53,594
not opposed to progress or

3398
01:52:53,594 --> 01:52:54,595
development. I welcome thought

3399
01:52:54,595 --> 01:52:56,464
development, thoughtful

3400
01:52:56,464 --> 01:52:57,765
development. I

3401
01:52:57,765 --> 01:52:58,832
m undoubtedly a

3402
01:52:58,832 --> 01:53:01,200
bigger supporter of small

3403
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:02,136
businesses and also animals.

3404
01:53:02,136 --> 01:53:03,537
She gave a great animal

3405
01:53:03,537 --> 01:53:04,472
testimony. I

3406
01:53:04,472 --> 01:53:05,939
m simply asking

3407
01:53:05,939 --> 01:53:07,642
that the development occur in a

3408
01:53:07,642 --> 01:53:10,642
way that is responsible and

3409
01:53:10,912 --> 01:53:13,912
sustainable for all parties. My

3410
01:53:14,820 --> 01:53:14,282
noise concern is that we don

3411
01:53:14,282 --> 01:53:15,216
t

3412
01:53:15,216 --> 01:53:15,617
know what the noise is going to

3413
01:53:15,617 --> 01:53:17,319
be, which they

3414
01:53:17,319 --> 01:53:19,319
ve mentioned.

3415
01:53:19,821 --> 01:53:22,590
Um, that that picture showed a

3416
01:53:22,590 --> 01:53:24,959
lot of kudzu on that hill.

3417
01:53:24,959 --> 01:53:28,559
Faith Kaufman, who sent you all

3418
01:53:29,497 --> 01:53:31,399
a letter, sold me to, um, empty

3419
01:53:31,399 --> 01:53:33,134
lots. And when you look at that

3420
01:53:33,134 --> 01:53:33,267
kudzu, the reason why there

3421
01:53:33,267 --> 01:53:34,402
s

3422
01:53:34,402 --> 01:53:34,769
so much kudzu is because some

3423
01:53:34,769 --> 01:53:35,637
of that we

3424
01:53:35,637 --> 01:53:35,802
re about to clear,

3425
01:53:35,802 --> 01:53:37,106
we

3426
01:53:37,106 --> 01:53:37,472
ve had it surveyed. We

3427
01:53:37,472 --> 01:53:38,940
ve

3428
01:53:38,940 --> 01:53:39,240
got an engineer coming in. I

3429
01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:41,240
m

3430
01:53:41,476 --> 01:53:43,310
building, uh, two residential

3431
01:53:43,310 --> 01:53:45,710
homes on those properties

3432
01:53:45,914 --> 01:53:47,547
because we need housing. And

3433
01:53:47,547 --> 01:53:49,919
part of that engineering

3434
01:53:49,919 --> 01:53:51,551
includes changing the elevation

3435
01:53:51,551 --> 01:53:53,620
on that. So some of their

3436
01:53:53,620 --> 01:53:56,200
argument about elevation will

3437
01:53:56,857 --> 01:53:58,959
be irrelevant over the next

3438
01:53:58,959 --> 01:54:00,461
series of months as we start

3439
01:54:00,461 --> 01:54:02,461
developing those properties.

3440
01:54:02,464 --> 01:54:04,499
And so those properties too,

3441
01:54:04,499 --> 01:54:06,534
will be looking directly at

3442
01:54:06,534 --> 01:54:08,803
that, at that building. Uh, one

3443
01:54:08,803 --> 01:54:09,604
of the buildings will be in the

3444
01:54:09,604 --> 01:54:11,472
two of them will be in the

3445
01:54:11,472 --> 01:54:13,107
historic overlay. One will be

3446
01:54:13,107 --> 01:54:14,375
on 819 with West seventh

3447
01:54:14,375 --> 01:54:16,544
Street, which will be a

3448
01:54:16,544 --> 01:54:18,379
triplex. And as you know, the

3449
01:54:18,379 --> 01:54:20,982
plans for historic overlay are

3450
01:54:20,982 --> 01:54:22,784
extreme. We want to make sure

3451
01:54:22,784 --> 01:54:23,785
in our peers want to make sure

3452
01:54:23,785 --> 01:54:25,588
that it aligns with the

3453
01:54:25,588 --> 01:54:27,422
community and the regulations

3454
01:54:27,422 --> 01:54:30,422
that have already been said.

3455
01:54:31,590 --> 01:54:33,595
And so if the barking, the odor

3456
01:54:33,595 --> 01:54:34,329
waste, and I know you all

3457
01:54:34,329 --> 01:54:34,696
mentioned runoff wasn

3458
01:54:34,696 --> 01:54:36,131
t going

3459
01:54:36,131 --> 01:54:37,310
to be a problem, we

3460
01:54:37,310 --> 01:54:38,265
ve all

3461
01:54:38,265 --> 01:54:39,500
walked outside of an apartment

3462
01:54:39,500 --> 01:54:40,935
complex or been in a park where

3463
01:54:40,935 --> 01:54:41,369
you could, gosh, I smell dog.

3464
01:54:41,369 --> 01:54:42,237
And that

3465
01:54:42,237 --> 01:54:42,437
s not even a kennel.

3466
01:54:42,437 --> 01:54:43,805
That

3467
01:54:43,805 --> 01:54:45,173
s just where people are

3468
01:54:45,173 --> 01:54:47,750
walking their dogs and they so

3469
01:54:47,750 --> 01:54:48,711
happen to relieve themselves.

3470
01:54:48,711 --> 01:54:50,244
So there will definitely be

3471
01:54:50,244 --> 01:54:51,746
those things. Other North

3472
01:54:51,746 --> 01:54:53,746
Carolina communities recognize

3473
01:54:54,215 --> 01:54:56,615
this concern. Wake County

3474
01:54:56,717 --> 01:54:58,717
specifically identifies noise,

3475
01:55:00,540 --> 01:55:01,522
odor, insects and traffic as

3476
01:55:01,522 --> 01:55:03,522
potential impacts associated

3477
01:55:04,192 --> 01:55:05,692
with kennels, and they require

3478
01:55:05,692 --> 01:55:09,300
a setback to be of at least

3479
01:55:09,300 --> 01:55:12,133
100ft, not the 50ft that you

3480
01:55:12,133 --> 01:55:14,533
all have been describing.

3481
01:55:15,236 --> 01:55:18,774
Excuse me. Um, I noticed the

3482
01:55:18,774 --> 01:55:18,940
housing prices on this sheet.

3483
01:55:18,940 --> 01:55:20,875
We

3484
01:55:20,875 --> 01:55:21,210
re not 650ft from the

3485
01:55:21,210 --> 01:55:22,844
kennel. We

3486
01:55:22,844 --> 01:55:24,450
re one foot from

3487
01:55:24,450 --> 01:55:24,280
their property line. So I don

3488
01:55:24,280 --> 01:55:24,646
t

3489
01:55:24,646 --> 01:55:25,747
know that that

3490
01:55:25,747 --> 01:55:26,714
s relevant

3491
01:55:26,714 --> 01:55:27,315
either. If he doesn

3492
01:55:27,315 --> 01:55:29,184
t have an

3493
01:55:29,184 --> 01:55:29,484
example of a property. That

3494
01:55:29,484 --> 01:55:31,484
s

3495
01:55:32,186 --> 01:55:33,554
right adjacent, and I have to

3496
01:55:33,554 --> 01:55:35,954
right adjacent to that

3497
01:55:37,860 --> 01:55:38,270
particular property line. So I

3498
01:55:38,270 --> 01:55:39,227
don

3499
01:55:39,227 --> 01:55:40,194
t believe homeowners should

3500
01:55:40,194 --> 01:55:42,194
effectively become the

3501
01:55:43,197 --> 01:55:44,365
monitoring. Excuse me. And the

3502
01:55:44,365 --> 01:55:46,365
enforcement system for

3503
01:55:46,434 --> 01:55:47,936
commercial operation. The

3504
01:55:47,936 --> 01:55:50,471
better approach is to determine

3505
01:55:50,471 --> 01:55:52,173
compatibility before the use is

3506
01:55:52,173 --> 01:55:54,573
established. There should be

3507
01:55:55,176 --> 01:55:57,445
clear, objective, site specific

3508
01:55:57,445 --> 01:55:59,582
evidence regarding this noise,

3509
01:55:59,582 --> 01:56:01,582
including relevant distance,

3510
01:56:03,217 --> 01:56:05,217
including relevant elevation

3511
01:56:05,787 --> 01:56:09,190
and also naming. Not only that,

3512
01:56:09,190 --> 01:56:10,358
the dogs will be attended. All

3513
01:56:10,358 --> 01:56:11,994
dogs that are attended still

3514
01:56:11,994 --> 01:56:14,994
bark, so the unattended dog

3515
01:56:20,802 --> 01:56:21,703
park to me is also irrelevant.

3516
01:56:21,703 --> 01:56:24,105
But that being said, I

3517
01:56:24,105 --> 01:56:26,976
respectfully ask that you deny

3518
01:56:26,976 --> 01:56:28,277
or at minimum defer approval

3519
01:56:28,277 --> 01:56:30,780
until these site specific

3520
01:56:30,780 --> 01:56:31,446
issues are independently

3521
01:56:31,446 --> 01:56:33,982
evaluated and made part of the

3522
01:56:33,982 --> 01:56:35,982
record.

3523
01:56:58,107 --> 01:56:58,706
Thank you, Frank fry. MR.

3524
01:56:58,706 --> 01:57:00,542
Mayor.

3525
01:57:00,542 --> 01:57:03,542
Mayor Pro Tem and council

3526
01:57:03,578 --> 01:57:07,178
members. My name is Frank fry.

3527
01:57:07,282 --> 01:57:10,351
I live at 850 Chatham Road and,

3528
01:57:10,351 --> 01:57:11,487
uh. Initially I

3529
01:57:11,487 --> 01:57:13,887
d like to say

3530
01:57:14,390 --> 01:57:15,791
to MR. Sanders and his son, Ben

3531
01:57:15,791 --> 01:57:16,859
that I

3532
01:57:16,859 --> 01:57:19,259
m not always against

3533
01:57:19,695 --> 01:57:23,295
you, you know, but seems like

3534
01:57:27,200 --> 01:57:28,903
was here last AUGUST and my

3535
01:57:28,903 --> 01:57:31,303
concerns have already been

3536
01:57:33,108 --> 01:57:36,108
stated. But Chris, the first

3537
01:57:36,377 --> 01:57:39,377
speaker or second, actually, it

3538
01:57:40,548 --> 01:57:43,152
turned out. But I just want to

3539
01:57:43,152 --> 01:57:45,853
give a little background on the

3540
01:57:45,853 --> 01:57:48,323
the West End, the the Crystal

3541
01:57:48,323 --> 01:57:50,191
tower is part of it, which had

3542
01:57:50,191 --> 01:57:53,191
a resurgence back in around

3543
01:57:54,629 --> 01:57:57,399
1973. It was pretty much on the

3544
01:57:57,399 --> 01:57:58,867
on the ropes. There were three

3545
01:57:58,867 --> 01:58:01,867
major houses that were brought

3546
01:58:03,380 --> 01:58:04,740
in from one from where? Uh, 500

3547
01:58:04,740 --> 01:58:08,340
West fifth Street is now, the

3548
01:58:09,178 --> 01:58:12,778
old in a gone another from

3549
01:58:13,315 --> 01:58:18,115
where wsj s used to be on fifth

3550
01:58:18,520 --> 01:58:20,550
Street as well. And the third

3551
01:58:20,550 --> 01:58:23,550
was actually beside on the

3552
01:58:23,792 --> 01:58:26,792
underground lot as well. But

3553
01:58:27,290 --> 01:58:28,297
tremendous amount of city

3554
01:58:28,297 --> 01:58:30,297
involvement in that

3555
01:58:31,233 --> 01:58:34,233
neighborhood. And to bring it

3556
01:58:34,503 --> 01:58:35,670
around. And it

3557
01:58:35,670 --> 01:58:37,670
s got many

3558
01:58:40,750 --> 01:58:43,750
challenges. Uh, noise being the

3559
01:58:45,313 --> 01:58:46,681
primary one and this, this all

3560
01:58:46,681 --> 01:58:49,681
the houses up on Western

3561
01:58:50,552 --> 01:58:53,552
Boulevard in a different manner

3562
01:58:53,589 --> 01:58:55,424
than the houses that have been

3563
01:58:55,424 --> 01:58:57,993
talked about, that are close to

3564
01:58:57,993 --> 01:59:00,993
other kennels. These houses has

3565
01:59:02,198 --> 01:59:05,198
been stated before, 40ft high,

3566
01:59:07,536 --> 01:59:11,106
overlooking the dog park. So or

3567
01:59:11,106 --> 01:59:12,941
dog kennel run, whatever it is,

3568
01:59:12,941 --> 01:59:16,541
opportunity to bark is what it

3569
01:59:17,146 --> 01:59:19,614
is. So these these neighbors

3570
01:59:19,614 --> 01:59:23,214
are looking down on it, which

3571
01:59:24,118 --> 01:59:27,220
makes it much different than.

3572
01:59:27,220 --> 01:59:30,220
The examples the appraiser used.

3573
01:59:33,862 --> 01:59:36,650
Uh, the attorney asked that the

3574
01:59:36,650 --> 01:59:37,466
planning staff report be

3575
01:59:37,466 --> 01:59:39,468
entered in as evidence that

3576
01:59:39,468 --> 01:59:41,669
this is not a not a harmful

3577
01:59:41,669 --> 01:59:42,404
thing. Uh, it

3578
01:59:42,404 --> 01:59:44,404
s looking through

3579
01:59:44,807 --> 01:59:46,676
the, the report and there are

3580
01:59:46,676 --> 01:59:49,676
several things that I, you

3581
01:59:56,819 --> 01:59:56,986
know, just being picky. Um. Uh,

3582
01:59:56,986 --> 01:59:58,986
let

3583
02:00:01,624 --> 02:00:05,224
s see. The large trees that

3584
02:00:09,865 --> 02:00:13,465
are going to be planted. For

3585
02:00:23,812 --> 02:00:24,446
this, um. What I

3586
02:00:24,446 --> 02:00:26,846
d like to say

3587
02:00:27,883 --> 02:00:31,186
about Chatham Road, I own the

3588
02:00:31,186 --> 02:00:34,786
building that we were in. Now,

3589
02:00:34,824 --> 02:00:37,824
since 2001. And in that time

3590
02:00:41,964 --> 02:00:43,964
period. Especially in 2001,

3591
02:00:43,966 --> 02:00:45,735
next door to our property was

3592
02:00:45,735 --> 02:00:47,102
the old Chatham manufacturing

3593
02:00:47,102 --> 02:00:49,102
mill. It

3594
02:00:49,438 --> 02:00:51,838
s now apartments which

3595
02:00:52,141 --> 02:00:54,311
are, you know, really nice. So

3596
02:00:54,311 --> 02:00:57,311
that that changed from an

3597
02:00:57,713 --> 02:01:00,113
underutilized building that the

3598
02:01:00,516 --> 02:01:04,116
the roof was collapsing and it

3599
02:01:04,486 --> 02:01:05,821
was pretty much it was sort of

3600
02:01:05,821 --> 02:01:07,723
nip and tuck whether it would

3601
02:01:07,723 --> 02:01:07,890
just survive or not. And now

3602
02:01:07,890 --> 02:01:09,758
it

3603
02:01:09,758 --> 02:01:12,758
s contributing member to the

3604
02:01:13,496 --> 02:01:16,499
neighborhood and to the city on

3605
02:01:16,499 --> 02:01:20,103
the. No. On the noise issue, I

3606
02:01:20,103 --> 02:01:23,505
looked up dog barks compared to

3607
02:01:23,505 --> 02:01:23,673
a Harley Davidson. And they

3608
02:01:23,673 --> 02:01:25,673
re

3609
02:01:26,420 --> 02:01:29,420
about equal for a standard

3610
02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:32,644
Harley Davidson at idle and a

3611
02:01:32,882 --> 02:01:35,282
Harley Davidson accelerating or

3612
02:01:36,586 --> 02:01:40,890
going at road speed. So you can

3613
02:01:40,890 --> 02:01:42,250
imagine. That that

3614
02:01:42,250 --> 02:01:44,250
s a noise

3615
02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:48,560
that people could really not be

3616
02:01:51,400 --> 02:01:52,868
happy with. There are 224 cars,

3617
02:01:52,868 --> 02:01:56,273
I believe. Was the estimate the

3618
02:01:56,273 --> 02:01:59,273
planning staff thought for this

3619
02:02:00,343 --> 02:02:01,777
increase. Um, over the past two

3620
02:02:01,777 --> 02:02:02,279
and a half years, I

3621
02:02:02,279 --> 02:02:04,279
ve walked

3622
02:02:06,116 --> 02:02:09,151
that strip of Chatham past by

3623
02:02:09,151 --> 02:02:10,886
this building a thousand times

3624
02:02:10,886 --> 02:02:13,886
in one direction, a thousand

3625
02:02:14,570 --> 02:02:14,556
times in another. At eight in

3626
02:02:14,556 --> 02:02:16,225
the morning. It

3627
02:02:16,225 --> 02:02:18,225
s beautifully

3628
02:02:21,731 --> 02:02:22,650
quiet. Sundays, Saturdays it

3629
02:02:22,650 --> 02:02:24,650
s

3630
02:02:24,901 --> 02:02:26,901
quiet. It won

3631
02:02:27,137 --> 02:02:30,137
t be quiet in the

3632
02:02:30,940 --> 02:02:31,141
future if this goes through and

3633
02:02:31,141 --> 02:02:32,408
they

3634
02:02:32,408 --> 02:02:34,808
re residential, there are

3635
02:02:35,778 --> 02:02:37,280
a couple of watts on Chatham.

3636
02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:38,130
There was a duplex that was

3637
02:02:38,130 --> 02:02:39,150
torn down, and it

3638
02:02:39,150 --> 02:02:41,415
s now part of

3639
02:02:41,750 --> 02:02:44,870
the Parks Family Trust. They

3640
02:02:44,870 --> 02:02:45,889
plan to put another residential

3641
02:02:45,889 --> 02:02:46,122
building on that. There

3642
02:02:46,122 --> 02:02:48,580
s

3643
02:02:48,580 --> 02:02:48,858
another house just up the

3644
02:02:48,858 --> 02:02:49,658
street from that. That

3645
02:02:49,658 --> 02:02:51,658
s I

3646
02:02:52,195 --> 02:02:54,363
think comes up in SEPTEMBER to

3647
02:02:54,363 --> 02:02:57,963
be torn down and a new

3648
02:02:58,200 --> 02:03:00,603
structure put up. So there is a

3649
02:03:00,603 --> 02:03:03,105
a trend in that area towards

3650
02:03:03,105 --> 02:03:05,105
residential, not towards

3651
02:03:07,577 --> 02:03:07,777
industrial. And sad to say, I

3652
02:03:07,777 --> 02:03:09,777
didn

3653
02:03:09,945 --> 02:03:11,947
t get involved in the

3654
02:03:11,947 --> 02:03:14,347
comprehensive plan. The last

3655
02:03:15,218 --> 02:03:18,218
one, 2011, I think, he said.

3656
02:03:19,922 --> 02:03:23,522
But the industrial use that is

3657
02:03:23,759 --> 02:03:26,620
there currently should have had

3658
02:03:26,620 --> 02:03:28,898
a good look. You know, it

3659
02:03:28,898 --> 02:03:30,898
s a.

3660
02:03:32,670 --> 02:03:35,204
The highest form. Lots, lots of

3661
02:03:35,204 --> 02:03:37,106
negative things can go in site

3662
02:03:37,106 --> 02:03:40,706
would prohibit a lot of that.

3663
02:03:43,747 --> 02:03:46,747
But. I think the comprehensive

3664
02:03:47,820 --> 02:03:48,617
plan was a little off in that

3665
02:03:48,617 --> 02:03:51,122
same area that I walk with my

3666
02:03:51,122 --> 02:03:54,722
dog, which is uh, goes up

3667
02:03:55,625 --> 02:03:56,260
through Jackson Park, which I

3668
02:03:56,260 --> 02:03:57,660
Think there

3669
02:03:57,660 --> 02:04:00,397
s a plan to get rid

3670
02:04:00,397 --> 02:04:02,197
of the park and make little

3671
02:04:02,197 --> 02:04:02,366
boutiques or something there. I

3672
02:04:02,366 --> 02:04:04,366
don

3673
02:04:05,201 --> 02:04:08,801
t know, but there are about

3674
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:12,775
40 acres of developable land in

3675
02:04:12,775 --> 02:04:14,944
that area, which is a lot of

3676
02:04:14,944 --> 02:04:18,515
land, a lot of opportunity for

3677
02:04:18,515 --> 02:04:20,683
housing or mixed use or

3678
02:04:20,683 --> 02:04:23,683
something. That land has been

3679
02:04:24,487 --> 02:04:26,887
intentionally held for. Ever

3680
02:04:26,922 --> 02:04:29,322
since Marshall Street was

3681
02:04:31,428 --> 02:04:33,263
expanded. So I feel like I feel

3682
02:04:33,263 --> 02:04:35,799
like that area is on the verge

3683
02:04:35,799 --> 02:04:38,467
of being something better than

3684
02:04:38,467 --> 02:04:40,904
it is now. And I think this

3685
02:04:40,904 --> 02:04:42,600
would be a setback. And I thank

3686
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:43,940
you for your time.

3687
02:04:43,940 --> 02:04:44,207
Thank you, MR. Friar. All

3688
02:04:44,207 --> 02:04:45,409
right. We

3689
02:04:45,409 --> 02:04:46,910
ll now go back to the

3690
02:04:46,910 --> 02:04:48,478
proponents. You have three

3691
02:04:48,478 --> 02:04:48,645
minutes or so for any rebuttal

3692
02:04:48,645 --> 02:04:50,645
you

3693
02:04:55,986 --> 02:04:57,520
d like to present.

3694
02:04:57,520 --> 02:04:59,123
Well, just with respect to the

3695
02:04:59,123 --> 02:05:01,570
note in the staff report about

3696
02:05:01,570 --> 02:05:03,127
traffic that was looking at a

3697
02:05:03,127 --> 02:05:06,396
change from a church used to a

3698
02:05:06,396 --> 02:05:08,366
kennel, use the actual analysis

3699
02:05:08,366 --> 02:05:10,165
that would be relevant would be

3700
02:05:10,165 --> 02:05:12,565
the traffic difference between

3701
02:05:12,702 --> 02:05:14,400
an indoor kennel use and one

3702
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:16,720
with an outdoor enclosure.

3703
02:05:16,720 --> 02:05:19,720
Because this is already zoned

3704
02:05:19,110 --> 02:05:22,110
as general industrial. Um, Rick

3705
02:05:22,946 --> 02:05:24,981
Brandt did present to parent

3706
02:05:24,981 --> 02:05:26,981
sales showing properties

3707
02:05:27,684 --> 02:05:29,319
adjacent to kennels that have

3708
02:05:29,319 --> 02:05:31,488
outdoor enclosures so that that

3709
02:05:31,488 --> 02:05:33,155
is directly relevant. And I

3710
02:05:33,155 --> 02:05:34,857
would ask for his slides and

3711
02:05:34,857 --> 02:05:37,527
also Luke Dickie slides to be

3712
02:05:37,527 --> 02:05:40,463
included in the evidence for

3713
02:05:40,463 --> 02:05:41,565
this case. The question before

3714
02:05:41,565 --> 02:05:44,368
the council is a little

3715
02:05:44,368 --> 02:05:46,803
different than with a rezoning.

3716
02:05:46,803 --> 02:05:50,273
Special use permit has to be

3717
02:05:50,273 --> 02:05:52,673
based on competent material

3718
02:05:53,176 --> 02:05:54,344
evidence, including expert

3719
02:05:54,344 --> 02:05:55,545
evidence on the question of

3720
02:05:55,545 --> 02:05:57,914
value and also question of

3721
02:05:57,914 --> 02:05:59,482
traffic for that matter. Um, to

3722
02:05:59,482 --> 02:06:00,216
prove the factors. And then the

3723
02:06:00,216 --> 02:06:02,190
question for y

3724
02:06:02,190 --> 02:06:03,287
all is whether

3725
02:06:03,287 --> 02:06:05,687
that evidence has been

3726
02:06:06,589 --> 02:06:06,723
presented. Um, this is not and

3727
02:06:06,723 --> 02:06:06,990
I

3728
02:06:06,990 --> 02:06:07,924
m I

3729
02:06:07,924 --> 02:06:08,910
m telling you things

3730
02:06:08,910 --> 02:06:10,910
you

3731
02:06:10,461 --> 02:06:11,228
ve already known and

3732
02:06:11,228 --> 02:06:12,430
studied. It

3733
02:06:12,430 --> 02:06:12,863
s a quasi judicial

3734
02:06:12,863 --> 02:06:14,970
hearing. It

3735
02:06:14,970 --> 02:06:15,999
s not a question of

3736
02:06:15,999 --> 02:06:16,166
legislative discretion tonight.

3737
02:06:16,166 --> 02:06:17,834
It

3738
02:06:17,834 --> 02:06:19,236
s a question of judging the

3739
02:06:19,236 --> 02:06:21,137
evidence before you on the

3740
02:06:21,137 --> 02:06:23,400
factors in the ordinance that

3741
02:06:23,400 --> 02:06:23,206
the city has already enacted.

3742
02:06:23,206 --> 02:06:24,841
We

3743
02:06:24,841 --> 02:06:26,841
ve presented competent

3744
02:06:27,430 --> 02:06:29,279
evidence on each one of those.

3745
02:06:29,279 --> 02:06:30,480
Um, and I think this will be a

3746
02:06:30,480 --> 02:06:32,880
way of improving the

3747
02:06:32,916 --> 02:06:34,217
neighborhood and performing a

3748
02:06:34,217 --> 02:06:36,953
service for the community. And

3749
02:06:36,953 --> 02:06:38,588
I would urge you to please, uh,

3750
02:06:38,588 --> 02:06:41,588
approve the permit. Thank you.

3751
02:06:41,726 --> 02:06:41,959
Thank you. Sir. The. Yes, sir.

3752
02:06:41,959 --> 02:06:43,260
If you

3753
02:06:43,260 --> 02:06:45,763
d like to add to that.

3754
02:06:45,763 --> 02:06:47,797
Yes, sir. 11 seconds. MAY I use

3755
02:06:47,797 --> 02:06:49,200
it? Absolutely. My name is

3756
02:06:49,200 --> 02:06:51,600
Sanders Mosley. I have.

3757
02:06:52,235 --> 02:06:54,635
Owned the building since 1994.

3758
02:06:55,305 --> 02:06:57,808
Uh, we had a distribution

3759
02:06:57,808 --> 02:07:00,770
company for medical uniforms

3760
02:07:00,770 --> 02:07:03,346
that went out of business. We

3761
02:07:03,346 --> 02:07:06,550
have since rented to a number

3762
02:07:06,550 --> 02:07:07,217
of places of business. Excuse

3763
02:07:07,217 --> 02:07:08,218
me. I

3764
02:07:08,218 --> 02:07:11,218
m looking at the clock

3765
02:07:11,956 --> 02:07:14,956
closely. The way it is

3766
02:07:15,992 --> 02:07:19,592
currently zoned. I have had two

3767
02:07:19,796 --> 02:07:20,197
unsolicited inquiries since I

3768
02:07:20,197 --> 02:07:22,197
m

3769
02:07:23,267 --> 02:07:25,869
into this contract for trucking

3770
02:07:25,869 --> 02:07:27,869
distribution companies, and

3771
02:07:29,140 --> 02:07:32,310
they can truck into and out of

3772
02:07:32,310 --> 02:07:34,978
there 24 hours a day with no

3773
02:07:34,978 --> 02:07:37,378
additional zoning. And those

3774
02:07:37,748 --> 02:07:40,748
tractor trailers wanted to park

3775
02:07:41,351 --> 02:07:43,955
in the back lot. And there is

3776
02:07:43,955 --> 02:07:45,789
nothing in the zoning, is my

3777
02:07:45,789 --> 02:07:47,789
understanding, that would

3778
02:07:48,240 --> 02:07:50,860
prohibit them from doing that.

3779
02:07:50,860 --> 02:07:53,797
So in my opinion, this is a

3780
02:07:53,797 --> 02:07:54,632
good neighbor use of my

3781
02:07:54,632 --> 02:07:56,167
property.

3782
02:07:56,167 --> 02:07:59,167
Thank you. Thank you, MISTER

3783
02:08:00,870 --> 02:08:01,838
Mosley. All right. Thank you.

3784
02:08:01,838 --> 02:08:02,730
Would the opposition. I

3785
02:08:02,730 --> 02:08:03,507
d like

3786
02:08:03,507 --> 02:08:06,507
to have three minutes of

3787
02:08:07,877 --> 02:08:09,113
rebuttal.

3788
02:08:09,113 --> 02:08:10,314
One second.

3789
02:08:10,314 --> 02:08:13,750
Yes. If you give your name and

3790
02:08:13,750 --> 02:08:14,518
address for the record, please.

3791
02:08:14,518 --> 02:08:16,518
Hi.

3792
02:08:17,154 --> 02:08:19,423
My name is Sophia Nazareth. I

3793
02:08:19,423 --> 02:08:22,423
live at 816 West eighth Street,

3794
02:08:22,592 --> 02:08:23,327
which is in 500ft of the back

3795
02:08:23,327 --> 02:08:23,793
lot, where they

3796
02:08:23,793 --> 02:08:25,793
re going to

3797
02:08:27,265 --> 02:08:28,232
have their outdoor kennel. Um,

3798
02:08:28,232 --> 02:08:29,300
I have a dog. I

3799
02:08:29,300 --> 02:08:31,300
m not anti

3800
02:08:32,270 --> 02:08:35,139
animal or anti rescue at all.

3801
02:08:35,139 --> 02:08:37,908
Um, but I am a little bit

3802
02:08:37,908 --> 02:08:39,776
concerned about this changing

3803
02:08:39,776 --> 02:08:41,111
the amount of noise in the

3804
02:08:41,111 --> 02:08:41,479
neighborhood. And I don

3805
02:08:41,479 --> 02:08:43,479
t think

3806
02:08:43,546 --> 02:08:45,946
that was addressed like

3807
02:08:46,149 --> 02:08:49,520
adequately to me. Um, we all

3808
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:52,520
know that amplifiers glide up,

3809
02:08:53,258 --> 02:08:55,227
noise travels up. Um, one dog

3810
02:08:55,227 --> 02:08:56,561
barks in our neighborhood. All

3811
02:08:56,561 --> 02:08:59,960
the dogs start barking in our

3812
02:08:59,960 --> 02:09:00,831
neighborhood. We have on eighth

3813
02:09:00,831 --> 02:09:03,701
Street, where I am two

3814
02:09:03,701 --> 02:09:05,435
industrial companies. They both

3815
02:09:05,435 --> 02:09:05,803
are pretty quiet. So it

3816
02:09:05,803 --> 02:09:07,380
s not

3817
02:09:07,380 --> 02:09:09,806
that we do not live with

3818
02:09:09,806 --> 02:09:12,276
industry. We do. And it gets

3819
02:09:12,276 --> 02:09:14,779
along fine with us. Um, I think

3820
02:09:14,779 --> 02:09:16,980
this is different. So I would

3821
02:09:16,980 --> 02:09:18,382
just recommend that without

3822
02:09:18,382 --> 02:09:20,782
really understanding how the

3823
02:09:23,988 --> 02:09:24,155
sound will travel, that it we

3824
02:09:24,155 --> 02:09:24,722
don

3825
02:09:24,722 --> 02:09:28,322
t want to have to be

3826
02:09:30,260 --> 02:09:32,630
calling for animal noises every

3827
02:09:32,630 --> 02:09:33,864
day because dogs are barking.

3828
02:09:33,864 --> 02:09:35,833
And I do fear that that would

3829
02:09:35,833 --> 02:09:36,901
be what happens. We have all

3830
02:09:36,901 --> 02:09:37,702
these dogs barking. It

3831
02:09:37,702 --> 02:09:39,702
s 15

3832
02:09:39,804 --> 02:09:42,140
minutes. After 15 minutes. You

3833
02:09:42,140 --> 02:09:45,740
can call for a violation of

3834
02:09:46,245 --> 02:09:47,445
noise. I think that that is

3835
02:09:47,445 --> 02:09:49,800
possibly what would happen

3836
02:09:49,800 --> 02:09:51,490
here. All right. Thank you.

3837
02:09:51,490 --> 02:09:51,215
Thank you. Anyone else? Yes,

3838
02:09:51,215 --> 02:09:53,215
ma

3839
02:09:58,656 --> 02:10:00,391
am.

3840
02:10:00,391 --> 02:10:02,226
Understanding that this is what

3841
02:10:02,226 --> 02:10:04,795
you are calling a quasi

3842
02:10:04,795 --> 02:10:06,197
judicial process and rebuttal

3843
02:10:06,197 --> 02:10:06,631
to the argument. I

3844
02:10:06,631 --> 02:10:07,865
d like to

3845
02:10:07,865 --> 02:10:10,340
name three things that were

3846
02:10:10,340 --> 02:10:11,836
irrelevant to this argument.

3847
02:10:11,836 --> 02:10:13,370
One was the elevation. Because

3848
02:10:13,370 --> 02:10:14,806
the elevation will change

3849
02:10:14,806 --> 02:10:17,208
within the next 12 months. Once

3850
02:10:17,208 --> 02:10:20,208
I get my engineering. Um,

3851
02:10:20,443 --> 02:10:21,112
redrawn to, that means that the

3852
02:10:21,112 --> 02:10:21,846
noise that he

3853
02:10:21,846 --> 02:10:23,846
s talking about

3854
02:10:24,482 --> 02:10:28,190
is going to change. And then

3855
02:10:28,190 --> 02:10:30,955
the third thing is going to be

3856
02:10:30,955 --> 02:10:32,556
the the runoff of the water

3857
02:10:32,556 --> 02:10:34,959
will then also impact the

3858
02:10:34,959 --> 02:10:36,270
neighboring, uh, apartments and

3859
02:10:36,270 --> 02:10:39,627
also houses that are going to

3860
02:10:44,134 --> 02:10:45,369
be built in the area.

3861
02:10:45,369 --> 02:10:48,539
Thank you. Anyone else for the

3862
02:10:48,539 --> 02:10:49,730
opposition? All right. Seeing

3863
02:10:49,730 --> 02:10:50,508
no one, I

3864
02:10:50,508 --> 02:10:52,309
ll declare the public

3865
02:10:52,309 --> 02:10:54,709
hearing closed and would

3866
02:10:58,916 --> 02:11:00,916
recognize Councilmember Hall.

3867
02:11:02,870 --> 02:11:03,354
Thank you. Mayor Jones. Uh,

3868
02:11:03,354 --> 02:11:04,356
thank you for everybody

3869
02:11:04,356 --> 02:11:06,925
tonight. Thank you to my

3870
02:11:06,925 --> 02:11:08,925
colleagues pressing through,

3871
02:11:11,128 --> 02:11:12,396
um, with this hearing. Um, we

3872
02:11:12,396 --> 02:11:14,198
heard a lot of concerns

3873
02:11:14,198 --> 02:11:16,598
tonight. Um, from the

3874
02:11:16,834 --> 02:11:19,834
proponents and the opponents of

3875
02:11:20,438 --> 02:11:23,407
this, uh, special use permit.

3876
02:11:23,407 --> 02:11:27,780
And I would just like to state

3877
02:11:27,780 --> 02:11:30,470
that I would hope that, um, if

3878
02:11:30,470 --> 02:11:32,384
this is approved tonight, that

3879
02:11:32,384 --> 02:11:35,519
the proponents would as best as

3880
02:11:35,519 --> 02:11:37,388
possible, um, remember all of

3881
02:11:37,388 --> 02:11:40,388
the concerns that were lifted

3882
02:11:41,158 --> 02:11:43,558
tonight, particularly from the

3883
02:11:44,128 --> 02:11:46,497
opponents, as best they can and

3884
02:11:46,497 --> 02:11:48,666
consider these concerns moving

3885
02:11:48,666 --> 02:11:51,660
forward with any possible

3886
02:11:53,138 --> 02:11:54,839
development on the site. Um,

3887
02:11:54,839 --> 02:11:57,839
and just for clarity, since

3888
02:11:59,343 --> 02:12:02,647
this is a, um, quasi quasi

3889
02:12:02,647 --> 02:12:05,647
judicial act. Um, I am

3890
02:12:06,285 --> 02:12:08,685
confirming, uh, the four

3891
02:12:10,488 --> 02:12:14,880
findings of fact for granting a

3892
02:12:14,225 --> 02:12:17,225
special use permit. Um, and

3893
02:12:17,261 --> 02:12:18,997
Mayor Jones, if, um, if I am

3894
02:12:18,997 --> 02:12:21,499
incorrect, I would like for

3895
02:12:21,499 --> 02:12:21,666
Director Murphy to say no,

3896
02:12:21,666 --> 02:12:22,834
you

3897
02:12:22,834 --> 02:12:26,434
re not right. If that is

3898
02:12:26,705 --> 02:12:30,305
the case. Um, for findings of

3899
02:12:30,408 --> 02:12:32,443
fact, um, that staff in

3900
02:12:32,443 --> 02:12:34,843
particular, um, also went

3901
02:12:34,980 --> 02:12:37,281
through. And their report is,

3902
02:12:37,281 --> 02:12:39,952
um, public health and safety

3903
02:12:39,952 --> 02:12:42,353
that, um, the use will not

3904
02:12:42,353 --> 02:12:44,753
materially endanger the public

3905
02:12:45,190 --> 02:12:46,758
health or safety if located

3906
02:12:46,758 --> 02:12:49,158
where the proposed and

3907
02:12:51,263 --> 02:12:54,650
developed, um, and developed um

3908
02:12:54,650 --> 02:12:55,399
application plan as submitted

3909
02:12:55,399 --> 02:12:57,802
and approved. I think we do

3910
02:12:57,802 --> 02:12:58,869
have a slide for that. Um, but

3911
02:12:58,869 --> 02:13:02,139
I want to make sure that that

3912
02:13:02,139 --> 02:13:04,809
is the case. And then also the

3913
02:13:04,809 --> 02:13:06,310
other finding of fact, um, that

3914
02:13:06,310 --> 02:13:09,447
we were to be listening for

3915
02:13:09,447 --> 02:13:11,115
tonight was that this use meets

3916
02:13:11,115 --> 02:13:12,751
all required conditions and

3917
02:13:12,751 --> 02:13:14,686
specifications, and that would

3918
02:13:14,686 --> 02:13:15,786
be in alignment to just

3919
02:13:15,786 --> 02:13:17,786
essentially ordinance

3920
02:13:19,357 --> 02:13:21,827
compliance. And then the other

3921
02:13:21,827 --> 02:13:24,229
thing, um, the for the other

3922
02:13:24,229 --> 02:13:26,898
finding effect, um, would be

3923
02:13:26,898 --> 02:13:29,367
that this use as presented will

3924
02:13:29,367 --> 02:13:31,703
not substantially, um, endure

3925
02:13:31,703 --> 02:13:33,437
the value of adjoining or

3926
02:13:33,437 --> 02:13:33,838
abutting property value. So

3927
02:13:33,838 --> 02:13:34,439
basically we

3928
02:13:34,439 --> 02:13:36,439
re talking about

3929
02:13:37,141 --> 02:13:40,141
property values not being, um,

3930
02:13:41,113 --> 02:13:43,348
endangered. And then the other,

3931
02:13:43,348 --> 02:13:44,983
um, finding of fact that the

3932
02:13:44,983 --> 02:13:46,818
location and the character of

3933
02:13:46,818 --> 02:13:47,850
the proposed use, if it

3934
02:13:47,850 --> 02:13:48,519
s

3935
02:13:48,519 --> 02:13:50,322
developed according to the

3936
02:13:50,322 --> 02:13:53,225
application and the plan that

3937
02:13:53,225 --> 02:13:55,961
was submitted, um, would be in

3938
02:13:55,961 --> 02:13:58,996
harmony with the area and then

3939
02:13:58,996 --> 02:14:02,596
also to be in conformity with

3940
02:14:02,934 --> 02:14:03,702
the for 2045.

3941
02:14:03,702 --> 02:14:04,569
Councilmember Hall, I

3942
02:14:04,569 --> 02:14:05,704
m.

3943
02:14:05,704 --> 02:14:07,706
Sorry, Councilmember Hall, I

3944
02:14:07,706 --> 02:14:10,542
will say that as to findings

3945
02:14:10,542 --> 02:14:12,643
one, two, and four, that is the

3946
02:14:12,643 --> 02:14:15,247
fact that is what staff

3947
02:14:15,247 --> 02:14:17,647
believes, that those three

3948
02:14:18,490 --> 02:14:21,490
findings have been met in

3949
02:14:22,553 --> 02:14:23,921
regards to, um, this project

3950
02:14:23,921 --> 02:14:26,725
staff does not have the

3951
02:14:26,725 --> 02:14:27,826
technical expertise to address,

3952
02:14:27,826 --> 02:14:29,860
uh, finding number three,

3953
02:14:29,860 --> 02:14:30,195
dealing with property values.

3954
02:14:30,195 --> 02:14:31,290
Uh, that

3955
02:14:31,290 --> 02:14:32,965
s something that you

3956
02:14:32,965 --> 02:14:34,199
have to, uh, you know, again,

3957
02:14:34,199 --> 02:14:37,202
the whole thing is based on the

3958
02:14:37,202 --> 02:14:38,836
hearing staff put forward our

3959
02:14:38,836 --> 02:14:39,871
thoughts on the three findings,

3960
02:14:39,871 --> 02:14:41,206
but you have to make an

3961
02:14:41,206 --> 02:14:42,640
independent decision related to

3962
02:14:42,640 --> 02:14:44,208
the property values based on

3963
02:14:44,208 --> 02:14:45,912
what you heard. As far as the

3964
02:14:45,912 --> 02:14:47,547
testimony was tonight.

3965
02:14:47,547 --> 02:14:49,820
Thank you. I appreciate that.

3966
02:14:49,820 --> 02:14:53,282
So let that be noted. For the

3967
02:14:53,952 --> 02:14:55,420
record. Um, and with that, uh,

3968
02:14:55,420 --> 02:14:57,556
and everything that I heard

3969
02:14:57,556 --> 02:15:00,525
tonight and based off of those

3970
02:15:00,525 --> 02:15:01,994
findings, I moved that based

3971
02:15:01,994 --> 02:15:03,562
upon the application, the

3972
02:15:03,562 --> 02:15:05,163
testimony and the evidence

3973
02:15:05,163 --> 02:15:07,563
presented at this public

3974
02:15:07,633 --> 02:15:09,100
hearing. That one the City

3975
02:15:09,100 --> 02:15:11,500
Council affirmed the four

3976
02:15:11,703 --> 02:15:14,703
findings as required by section

3977
02:15:16,942 --> 02:15:19,942
3.2.13 e6a of the Unified

3978
02:15:20,112 --> 02:15:21,547
Development Ordinances, and two.

3979
02:15:21,547 --> 02:15:23,482
The City Council approved the

3980
02:15:23,482 --> 02:15:25,852
site plan that is included with

3981
02:15:25,852 --> 02:15:27,486
the Special Use Permit request,

3982
02:15:27,486 --> 02:15:29,354
along with the conditions

3983
02:15:29,354 --> 02:15:32,354
included in the Special Use

3984
02:15:32,657 --> 02:15:35,260
Permit and Staff Report, and

3985
02:15:35,260 --> 02:15:38,260
three the City Council approved

3986
02:15:39,232 --> 02:15:41,366
w-3, six, seven, six and issued

3987
02:15:41,366 --> 02:15:44,366
a special use permit to

3988
02:15:44,503 --> 02:15:46,903
Concrete Supply Company, llc

3989
02:15:48,473 --> 02:15:51,443
for establishment of an indoor

3990
02:15:51,443 --> 02:15:53,843
enclosure for outdoor enclosure

3991
02:15:56,281 --> 02:16:00,481
for a kennel, indoor use in g-1

3992
02:16:01,486 --> 02:16:02,554
zoning district. Yes city.

3993
02:16:02,554 --> 02:16:03,155
Is there a second to that

3994
02:16:03,155 --> 02:16:05,155
motion?

3995
02:16:05,157 --> 02:16:05,557
Just a moment. Um, Mayor Jones,

3996
02:16:05,557 --> 02:16:05,991
I believe.

3997
02:16:05,991 --> 02:16:06,892
Just minute.

3998
02:16:06,892 --> 02:16:08,527
Councilor. Yes, sir.

3999
02:16:08,527 --> 02:16:10,620
Just a minute. Have you

4000
02:16:10,620 --> 02:16:10,996
finished your total motion?

4001
02:16:10,996 --> 02:16:11,430
Yes. Is there a problem with

4002
02:16:11,430 --> 02:16:13,132
the motion?

4003
02:16:13,132 --> 02:16:13,932
Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

4004
02:16:13,932 --> 02:16:15,602
Um, I just wanted.

4005
02:16:15,602 --> 02:16:16,635
To correct that. I believe that

4006
02:16:16,635 --> 02:16:17,636
we, um, that it

4007
02:16:17,636 --> 02:16:19,636
s, um, three

4008
02:16:19,772 --> 02:16:21,340
six, nine one.

4009
02:16:21,340 --> 02:16:23,308
Um. And I think you said. Three

4010
02:16:23,308 --> 02:16:25,410
seven something. I apologize

4011
02:16:25,410 --> 02:16:26,770
for that. And then, um, there

4012
02:16:26,770 --> 02:16:28,770
was something.

4013
02:16:29,915 --> 02:16:31,116
Related to an llc.

4014
02:16:31,116 --> 02:16:31,250
A concrete company. I don

4015
02:16:31,250 --> 02:16:31,550
t

4016
02:16:31,550 --> 02:16:33,550
think that

4017
02:16:33,986 --> 02:16:34,887
s a part of the

4018
02:16:34,887 --> 02:16:36,122
issue.

4019
02:16:36,122 --> 02:16:37,322
It sounds like the sample

4020
02:16:37,322 --> 02:16:38,290
motion MAY have been barred

4021
02:16:38,290 --> 02:16:39,791
from the last time we had a

4022
02:16:39,791 --> 02:16:41,193
special use permit, which was

4023
02:16:41,193 --> 02:16:43,562
for expansion of an asphalt and

4024
02:16:43,562 --> 02:16:45,664
concrete plant on Lowry Street.

4025
02:16:45,664 --> 02:16:48,433
The proper case number is w

4026
02:16:48,433 --> 02:16:50,702
3691, and this would be for an

4027
02:16:50,702 --> 02:16:52,400
outdoor enclosure for a kennel,

4028
02:16:52,400 --> 02:16:52,372
indoor use.

4029
02:16:52,372 --> 02:16:53,905
Yes.

4030
02:16:53,905 --> 02:16:54,573
So if you could just amend your

4031
02:16:54,573 --> 02:16:56,108
motion.

4032
02:16:56,108 --> 02:16:57,776
For to to correct that for the

4033
02:16:57,776 --> 02:16:59,712
record, I.

4034
02:16:59,712 --> 02:17:02,447
Will. And thank you Mayor

4035
02:17:02,447 --> 02:17:04,516
Jones. I move that based upon

4036
02:17:04,516 --> 02:17:05,784
the application, testimony and

4037
02:17:05,784 --> 02:17:07,753
evidence presented at the

4038
02:17:07,753 --> 02:17:10,355
public hearing that one the

4039
02:17:10,355 --> 02:17:12,657
City Council affirmed the four

4040
02:17:12,657 --> 02:17:15,657
findings as required by section

4041
02:17:17,563 --> 02:17:19,499
3.2.13 e6a of the Unified

4042
02:17:19,499 --> 02:17:21,499
Development Ordinances, and

4043
02:17:21,501 --> 02:17:23,350
two. The City Council approved

4044
02:17:23,350 --> 02:17:24,636
the site plan that is included

4045
02:17:24,636 --> 02:17:26,305
with this special use permit

4046
02:17:26,305 --> 02:17:28,730
request, along with the

4047
02:17:28,730 --> 02:17:30,142
conditions included in the

4048
02:17:30,142 --> 02:17:33,111
Special Use Permit and Staff

4049
02:17:33,111 --> 02:17:36,111
Report, and three the City

4050
02:17:38,684 --> 02:17:41,840
Council approved w dash 3691

4051
02:17:41,987 --> 02:17:44,523
and issue a special use permit

4052
02:17:44,523 --> 02:17:47,523
for establishment of an outdoor

4053
02:17:47,927 --> 02:17:50,927
enclosure for a kennel, indoor

4054
02:17:51,497 --> 02:17:52,564
use in a g one zoning district.

4055
02:17:52,564 --> 02:17:54,366
Very good. Now, is there a

4056
02:17:54,366 --> 02:17:55,767
second? Second. Second by

4057
02:17:55,767 --> 02:17:57,570
Councilmember Clark. Any

4058
02:17:57,570 --> 02:17:59,570
further discussion questions?

4059
02:18:00,607 --> 02:18:03,607
Uh, customer Clark, for the

4060
02:18:05,444 --> 02:18:06,179
record, I do have two dogs.

4061
02:18:06,179 --> 02:18:08,179
I do.

4062
02:18:08,848 --> 02:18:10,149
Have two indoor kennels with

4063
02:18:10,149 --> 02:18:12,451
runs. To the best of my

4064
02:18:12,451 --> 02:18:13,353
knowledge, in the West ward,

4065
02:18:13,353 --> 02:18:13,585
one is behind Duke

4066
02:18:13,585 --> 02:18:15,585
s

4067
02:18:15,588 --> 02:18:15,754
restaurant, which is, I think

4068
02:18:15,754 --> 02:18:17,754
it

4069
02:18:18,491 --> 02:18:20,250
s an adoption type place.

4070
02:18:20,250 --> 02:18:20,226
Uh, I eat at Duke

4071
02:18:20,226 --> 02:18:21,793
s

4072
02:18:21,793 --> 02:18:23,462
periodically. I get my car

4073
02:18:23,462 --> 02:18:25,564
washed next door to that one

4074
02:18:25,564 --> 02:18:27,399
regularly. I have never smelled

4075
02:18:27,399 --> 02:18:30,680
anything, nor I have I. Have I

4076
02:18:30,680 --> 02:18:32,104
ever heard a dog bark there? I

4077
02:18:32,104 --> 02:18:33,940
have another indoor kennel

4078
02:18:33,940 --> 02:18:37,420
which does have an outdoor run

4079
02:18:37,420 --> 02:18:38,810
further out. Country club, uh,

4080
02:18:38,810 --> 02:18:40,780
kind of near where the driving

4081
02:18:40,780 --> 02:18:40,479
range is way out there. I

4082
02:18:40,479 --> 02:18:42,479
ve

4083
02:18:42,548 --> 02:18:45,384
never gotten a complaint on it.

4084
02:18:45,384 --> 02:18:47,120
I have two dog runs at

4085
02:18:47,120 --> 02:18:48,688
Meadowlark School. I used to

4086
02:18:48,688 --> 02:18:49,755
take my dogs there a while

4087
02:18:49,755 --> 02:18:50,757
back. Uh, I

4088
02:18:50,757 --> 02:18:52,925
ve never gotten a

4089
02:18:52,925 --> 02:18:54,627
complaint there about barking.

4090
02:18:54,627 --> 02:18:56,729
I have said on this council for

4091
02:18:56,729 --> 02:18:58,364
25 years, and I had probably

4092
02:18:58,364 --> 02:18:58,798
count on one hand the number of

4093
02:18:58,798 --> 02:19:00,798
calls I

4094
02:19:01,166 --> 02:19:02,869
ve got on barking dogs.

4095
02:19:02,869 --> 02:19:04,837
Uh, but that

4096
02:19:04,837 --> 02:19:07,837
s not why I would

4097
02:19:08,840 --> 02:19:11,840
like to speak. This property

4098
02:19:12,744 --> 02:19:15,744
has the most broadest, worst

4099
02:19:17,250 --> 02:19:20,250
zoning you can imagine. General

4100
02:19:20,519 --> 02:19:22,919
industrial. You mentioned a

4101
02:19:22,955 --> 02:19:24,357
cement plant, asphalt plants.

4102
02:19:24,357 --> 02:19:26,125
We have a hard time getting

4103
02:19:26,125 --> 02:19:28,661
those cited because they are

4104
02:19:28,661 --> 02:19:31,661
not good neighbors. You could

4105
02:19:32,565 --> 02:19:34,467
have a lot of things, and I

4106
02:19:34,467 --> 02:19:36,867
simply would suggest, be

4107
02:19:37,700 --> 02:19:38,904
careful what you ask for. And I

4108
02:19:38,904 --> 02:19:40,506
will be supporting the motion.

4109
02:19:40,506 --> 02:19:42,108
Very good. Oh, do you have a

4110
02:19:42,108 --> 02:19:43,142
motion to approve this item?

4111
02:19:43,142 --> 02:19:44,877
All those in favor, please

4112
02:19:44,877 --> 02:19:47,877
indicate by voting yes. Anyone

4113
02:19:51,517 --> 02:19:51,951
opposed? Vote no. My computer

4114
02:19:51,951 --> 02:19:53,951
s

4115
02:20:02,728 --> 02:20:04,363
down. The motion passes in

4116
02:20:04,363 --> 02:20:05,565
favor of seven. In favor one

4117
02:20:05,565 --> 02:20:07,367
opposed. Councilmember Burke

4118
02:20:07,367 --> 02:20:10,437
voting no. Thank you very much.

4119
02:20:10,437 --> 02:20:12,837
Councilmember Hall of love

4120
02:20:12,972 --> 02:20:14,941
verbiage. There. All right, so

4121
02:20:14,941 --> 02:20:16,709
now go to the public comment

4122
02:20:16,709 --> 02:20:18,244
period, which is the time that

4123
02:20:18,244 --> 02:20:20,245
the City Council now set aside

4124
02:20:20,245 --> 02:20:21,514
for citizens to voice their

4125
02:20:21,514 --> 02:20:24,490
opinions on matters that are

4126
02:20:24,490 --> 02:20:25,151
germane to city government when

4127
02:20:25,151 --> 02:20:26,119
the comment period is called,

4128
02:20:26,119 --> 02:20:27,687
each speaker will be given

4129
02:20:27,687 --> 02:20:29,223
three minutes for presentation

4130
02:20:29,223 --> 02:20:30,391
and the total amount of the

4131
02:20:30,391 --> 02:20:32,793
public comment period will be

4132
02:20:32,793 --> 02:20:34,160
30 minutes. Uh, do we have the

4133
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:36,160
list of speakers?

4134
02:20:49,842 --> 02:20:51,842
Uh.

4135
02:20:52,545 --> 02:20:54,847
Okay. First person signed up as

4136
02:20:54,847 --> 02:20:55,648
Benjamin Gaither. If you would

4137
02:20:55,648 --> 02:20:56,648
please state your name and

4138
02:20:56,648 --> 02:20:58,317
address. For the record, MR.

4139
02:20:58,317 --> 02:20:59,284
Gaither.

4140
02:20:59,284 --> 02:21:00,787
Um.

4141
02:21:00,787 --> 02:21:03,787
Hello, my name is Benjamin

4142
02:21:04,524 --> 02:21:05,924
Gaither. Uh, my address is 281

4143
02:21:05,924 --> 02:21:07,924
Village Creek Circle,

4144
02:21:08,628 --> 02:21:08,860
Winston-Salem. And, uh, I

4145
02:21:08,860 --> 02:21:10,563
m a

4146
02:21:10,563 --> 02:21:12,963
student of Winston-Salem State

4147
02:21:13,499 --> 02:21:15,868
University. Uh, today was the

4148
02:21:15,868 --> 02:21:17,769
first day of classes, and I

4149
02:21:17,769 --> 02:21:18,672
parked my car. I noticed

4150
02:21:18,672 --> 02:21:20,672
something different this

4151
02:21:21,541 --> 02:21:23,941
semester. Uh, Alper. Cameras,

4152
02:21:24,544 --> 02:21:26,579
uh, from Flock Safety, uh, had

4153
02:21:26,579 --> 02:21:29,916
been added to the entrances and

4154
02:21:29,916 --> 02:21:31,584
exits. Uh, so instead of

4155
02:21:31,584 --> 02:21:32,952
studying between classes, I

4156
02:21:32,952 --> 02:21:33,119
chose to write the words that

4157
02:21:33,119 --> 02:21:35,119
you

4158
02:21:35,655 --> 02:21:35,990
re hearing. Now, I

4159
02:21:35,990 --> 02:21:37,230
m not

4160
02:21:37,230 --> 02:21:39,559
here to tell you to remove

4161
02:21:39,559 --> 02:21:40,760
them. I would work with the

4162
02:21:40,760 --> 02:21:43,160
university for something like

4163
02:21:44,931 --> 02:21:47,367
that. Uh, no. I am here to tell

4164
02:21:47,367 --> 02:21:49,702
you what countless Americans

4165
02:21:49,702 --> 02:21:51,371
and listeners Elamites have

4166
02:21:51,371 --> 02:21:54,371
been going through over the

4167
02:21:54,474 --> 02:21:57,510
past year. Right now, you can

4168
02:21:57,510 --> 02:21:59,678
go to the morgue and see where

4169
02:21:59,678 --> 02:22:02,782
the alp is in our community.

4170
02:22:02,782 --> 02:22:04,517
Are. I noticed that many of

4171
02:22:04,517 --> 02:22:06,386
them were placed in parking

4172
02:22:06,386 --> 02:22:09,289
lots, like Hanes Mall or Home

4173
02:22:09,289 --> 02:22:11,570
Depot. Uh, even some in

4174
02:22:11,570 --> 02:22:12,125
apartment complexes or a

4175
02:22:12,125 --> 02:22:12,659
s. And

4176
02:22:12,659 --> 02:22:13,660
I think that

4177
02:22:13,660 --> 02:22:16,600
s a little bit

4178
02:22:17,597 --> 02:22:20,567
messed up. Um, I understand

4179
02:22:20,567 --> 02:22:23,269
that these APIs are paid for by

4180
02:22:23,269 --> 02:22:24,705
private groups and companies.

4181
02:22:24,705 --> 02:22:25,371
Uh, I would not say I

4182
02:22:25,371 --> 02:22:27,240
m against

4183
02:22:27,240 --> 02:22:30,143
the use of cameras to keep

4184
02:22:30,143 --> 02:22:33,143
parking lots peaceful. Uh, what

4185
02:22:33,279 --> 02:22:37,251
I am against is much nearer and

4186
02:22:37,251 --> 02:22:39,385
significantly more irking, um,

4187
02:22:39,385 --> 02:22:41,121
being a computer science major,

4188
02:22:41,121 --> 02:22:43,557
I know a few things about cyber

4189
02:22:43,557 --> 02:22:44,924
security. When you conne a

4190
02:22:44,924 --> 02:22:46,726
device to the internet, you

4191
02:22:46,726 --> 02:22:48,610
allow the ability for your

4192
02:22:48,610 --> 02:22:51,661
device to be hacked by someone

4193
02:22:51,731 --> 02:22:54,634
else. Far cameras have no real

4194
02:22:54,634 --> 02:22:56,634
vulnerabilities and information

4195
02:22:56,769 --> 02:22:57,770
collected from them can be

4196
02:22:57,770 --> 02:23:00,170
shared with other police

4197
02:23:00,273 --> 02:23:01,908
departments across the United

4198
02:23:01,908 --> 02:23:04,908
States with no requirements for

4199
02:23:05,912 --> 02:23:07,715
warrants. This semester, when I

4200
02:23:07,715 --> 02:23:09,749
should be in classes, listening

4201
02:23:09,749 --> 02:23:10,516
to instructors, I will be

4202
02:23:10,516 --> 02:23:11,184
worried about who

4203
02:23:11,184 --> 02:23:13,184
s watching

4204
02:23:14,880 --> 02:23:15,789
me. My peers will worry about

4205
02:23:15,789 --> 02:23:18,189
their license plates being

4206
02:23:18,191 --> 02:23:20,461
misread and police officers

4207
02:23:20,461 --> 02:23:23,329
claiming that they have a

4208
02:23:23,329 --> 02:23:25,320
stolen vehicle. Uh, most

4209
02:23:25,320 --> 02:23:27,320
importantly, everyone will

4210
02:23:27,635 --> 02:23:29,350
wonder what will happen next.

4211
02:23:29,350 --> 02:23:31,435
Uh, axon is currently

4212
02:23:32,205 --> 02:23:34,605
developing Taser armed drones

4213
02:23:35,708 --> 02:23:37,944
that are for active shooters.

4214
02:23:37,944 --> 02:23:40,281
Um, situations on public

4215
02:23:40,281 --> 02:23:41,581
schools. Will my university

4216
02:23:41,581 --> 02:23:43,981
decide to implement these

4217
02:23:44,318 --> 02:23:46,352
measures for our safety? Uh,

4218
02:23:46,352 --> 02:23:48,288
but if Fox decides to track

4219
02:23:48,288 --> 02:23:51,240
more than just cars in the

4220
02:23:51,240 --> 02:23:53,394
future, right. Uh, will my

4221
02:23:53,394 --> 02:23:56,394
university have a choice in

4222
02:23:57,430 --> 02:23:58,598
that? Who watches the watchers

4223
02:23:58,598 --> 02:24:00,834
with a closed circuit

4224
02:24:00,834 --> 02:24:01,935
television camera system? None

4225
02:24:01,935 --> 02:24:03,935
of the cameras.

4226
02:24:04,370 --> 02:24:05,672
Are open to.

4227
02:24:05,672 --> 02:24:07,672
Yeah.

4228
02:24:15,549 --> 02:24:16,150
Uh, Olivia Doyle.

4229
02:24:16,150 --> 02:24:16,283
Hello, y

4230
02:24:16,283 --> 02:24:16,482
all.

4231
02:24:16,482 --> 02:24:17,517
Aren

4232
02:24:17,517 --> 02:24:20,988
t you excited to be going

4233
02:24:20,988 --> 02:24:23,220
home soon? Um. I Doyle, 1/12

4234
02:24:23,220 --> 02:24:24,157
Street. So hideout is here

4235
02:24:24,157 --> 02:24:25,392
because we still have not been

4236
02:24:25,392 --> 02:24:26,726
invited. Well, actually, we

4237
02:24:26,726 --> 02:24:28,227
just got an invitation

4238
02:24:28,227 --> 02:24:28,494
informally earlier today, but

4239
02:24:28,494 --> 02:24:29,290
we haven

4240
02:24:29,290 --> 02:24:30,164
t been invited to

4241
02:24:30,164 --> 02:24:31,432
present our legal defense of

4242
02:24:31,432 --> 02:24:33,634
our proposal to stop local

4243
02:24:33,634 --> 02:24:34,868
cannabis arrests. We are still

4244
02:24:34,868 --> 02:24:36,569
asking for the meeting that

4245
02:24:36,569 --> 02:24:37,706
Mayor Pro Tem Adams, uh,

4246
02:24:37,706 --> 02:24:38,504
promised to get our ordinance

4247
02:24:38,504 --> 02:24:39,440
through the General Government

4248
02:24:39,440 --> 02:24:41,274
Committee. But while we are

4249
02:24:41,274 --> 02:24:42,843
waiting for that, we would like

4250
02:24:42,843 --> 02:24:43,844
to deliver the legal analysis

4251
02:24:43,844 --> 02:24:45,212
that we have received from

4252
02:24:45,212 --> 02:24:46,379
civil rights litigator Jaylen

4253
02:24:46,379 --> 02:24:48,448
Miller of Emancipate North

4254
02:24:48,448 --> 02:24:49,650
Carolina. Attorney Miller has

4255
02:24:49,650 --> 02:24:50,850
concluded, as you should have

4256
02:24:50,850 --> 02:24:51,820
read in her email earlier

4257
02:24:51,820 --> 02:24:52,486
today, that Dillon

4258
02:24:52,486 --> 02:24:54,210
s rule is

4259
02:24:54,210 --> 02:24:55,823
not a reasonable barrier to

4260
02:24:55,823 --> 02:24:56,789
mandatory sign release or

4261
02:24:56,789 --> 02:24:58,625
lowest law enforcement

4262
02:24:58,625 --> 02:24:59,893
priority. Attorney Miller could

4263
02:24:59,893 --> 02:25:01,620
not find an instance in which

4264
02:25:01,620 --> 02:25:02,610
the city engaged with our legal

4265
02:25:02,610 --> 02:25:03,831
argument, supporting these

4266
02:25:03,831 --> 02:25:06,000
proposed policies, but she did

4267
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:07,101
find two instances where a

4268
02:25:07,101 --> 02:25:09,102
manager paid an attorney.

4269
02:25:09,102 --> 02:25:10,104
French challenged our proposal

4270
02:25:10,104 --> 02:25:11,505
again without responding

4271
02:25:11,505 --> 02:25:12,706
directly to our defense. Using

4272
02:25:12,706 --> 02:25:15,106
North Carolina General Statute

4273
02:25:15,242 --> 02:25:16,210
58 302 by citing Dillon

4274
02:25:16,210 --> 02:25:16,644
s Rule

4275
02:25:16,644 --> 02:25:17,544
as though Dillon

4276
02:25:17,544 --> 02:25:19,313
s Rule is this

4277
02:25:19,313 --> 02:25:20,281
impenetrable obstacle to

4278
02:25:20,281 --> 02:25:21,749
preventing arrests for

4279
02:25:21,749 --> 02:25:23,651
misdemeanor cannabis. Cannabis

4280
02:25:23,651 --> 02:25:25,352
possession and Winston. It is

4281
02:25:25,352 --> 02:25:26,200
not. In fact, according to her

4282
02:25:26,200 --> 02:25:26,619
analysis, Dillon

4283
02:25:26,619 --> 02:25:27,820
s rule might

4284
02:25:27,820 --> 02:25:30,223
not even apply in North

4285
02:25:30,223 --> 02:25:32,192
Carolina, particularly in this

4286
02:25:32,192 --> 02:25:33,826
instance. So we are asking you

4287
02:25:33,826 --> 02:25:35,262
still to pass two policies

4288
02:25:35,262 --> 02:25:36,262
mandatory sign release and

4289
02:25:36,262 --> 02:25:37,364
lowest level enforcement

4290
02:25:37,364 --> 02:25:39,364
priority for misdemeanor

4291
02:25:39,400 --> 02:25:40,668
possession, because as of right

4292
02:25:40,668 --> 02:25:42,101
now, without those

4293
02:25:42,101 --> 02:25:43,504
decriminalization measures,

4294
02:25:43,504 --> 02:25:45,720
black and Latino residents are

4295
02:25:45,720 --> 02:25:46,339
being stopped and incarcerated

4296
02:25:46,339 --> 02:25:48,809
more often for things like

4297
02:25:48,809 --> 02:25:50,411
this. This is a hemp derived

4298
02:25:50,411 --> 02:25:51,812
blunt that I bought a couple

4299
02:25:51,812 --> 02:25:52,110
hours ago, and Council member

4300
02:25:52,110 --> 02:25:53,314
Clark

4301
02:25:53,314 --> 02:25:55,883
s ward, just across the

4302
02:25:55,883 --> 02:25:56,951
street from a church. And if if

4303
02:25:56,951 --> 02:25:57,718
I take it outside the tube, I

4304
02:25:57,718 --> 02:25:59,186
walk because I know the smell

4305
02:25:59,186 --> 02:26:00,354
gives some people a headache.

4306
02:26:00,354 --> 02:26:01,589
But if I take it outside of the

4307
02:26:01,589 --> 02:26:02,323
tube, I assure you you would

4308
02:26:02,323 --> 02:26:03,390
not be able to tell the

4309
02:26:03,390 --> 02:26:05,259
difference between this and

4310
02:26:05,259 --> 02:26:06,994
illegal cannabis. It

4311
02:26:06,994 --> 02:26:08,329
s a blunt.

4312
02:26:08,329 --> 02:26:09,463
So unless we want to continue

4313
02:26:09,463 --> 02:26:10,464
the racist governance that was

4314
02:26:10,464 --> 02:26:11,565
set up by the likes of City

4315
02:26:11,565 --> 02:26:13,400
Manager, Gold or Mayor

4316
02:26:13,400 --> 02:26:14,668
Cavanaugh, we need to prevent

4317
02:26:14,668 --> 02:26:15,971
the racially disproportionate

4318
02:26:15,971 --> 02:26:17,571
enforcement for possessing

4319
02:26:17,571 --> 02:26:19,840
things that look and smell like

4320
02:26:19,840 --> 02:26:20,608
this. Despite Chief Pence

4321
02:26:20,608 --> 02:26:22,760
claims that the weed in

4322
02:26:22,760 --> 02:26:23,878
Winston-Salem is not mellowing

4323
02:26:23,878 --> 02:26:25,790
people out, I can assure you

4324
02:26:25,790 --> 02:26:26,346
that this blunt is not going to

4325
02:26:26,346 --> 02:26:28,820
make me go on a rampage. In

4326
02:26:28,820 --> 02:26:29,516
fact, this one is labeled as an

4327
02:26:29,516 --> 02:26:32,516
indica strain, and that usually

4328
02:26:32,685 --> 02:26:34,788
just makes me go to sleep. So

4329
02:26:34,788 --> 02:26:35,990
once again, we are asking that

4330
02:26:35,990 --> 02:26:36,789
our ordinance proposal be

4331
02:26:36,789 --> 02:26:38,425
pushed through the General

4332
02:26:38,425 --> 02:26:40,394
Government Committee. I also

4333
02:26:40,394 --> 02:26:41,662
want to follow up with um,

4334
02:26:41,662 --> 02:26:42,663
Councilmember Andrew Bone about

4335
02:26:42,663 --> 02:26:44,798
the meeting that was proposed

4336
02:26:44,798 --> 02:26:45,733
earlier today and formally. And

4337
02:26:45,733 --> 02:26:46,400
we are asking this with the

4338
02:26:46,400 --> 02:26:46,700
understanding that Dillon

4339
02:26:46,700 --> 02:26:48,700
s

4340
02:26:49,103 --> 02:26:51,739
rule is not a barrier to our

4341
02:26:51,739 --> 02:26:51,972
proposed ordinance passage. I

4342
02:26:51,972 --> 02:26:53,972
m

4343
02:26:54,410 --> 02:26:54,843
going to leave a copy, a couple

4344
02:26:54,843 --> 02:26:55,750
copies of Attorney Miller

4345
02:26:55,750 --> 02:26:56,443
s

4346
02:26:56,443 --> 02:26:57,378
analysis, as well as the

4347
02:26:57,378 --> 02:26:57,611
ordinance proposal that we

4348
02:26:57,611 --> 02:26:57,878
ve

4349
02:26:57,878 --> 02:26:59,313
sent y

4350
02:26:59,313 --> 02:27:00,881
all a couple of times,

4351
02:27:00,881 --> 02:27:03,149
just in case you need it to

4352
02:27:03,149 --> 02:27:04,920
read over again. Thank you.

4353
02:27:04,920 --> 02:27:07,320
Thank you. Matthew Mares,

4354
02:27:17,632 --> 02:27:19,533
please.

4355
02:27:19,533 --> 02:27:20,535
Getting sleepy back there. Hey,

4356
02:27:20,535 --> 02:27:21,701
Matthew.

4357
02:27:21,701 --> 02:27:24,171
My name is Matthew Mayers. I

4358
02:27:24,171 --> 02:27:26,240
live at two, 844 Wesleyan Lane.

4359
02:27:26,240 --> 02:27:27,408
I wanted to, um, first of all,

4360
02:27:27,408 --> 02:27:28,342
uh, call out some really

4361
02:27:28,342 --> 02:27:30,110
positive things that have

4362
02:27:30,110 --> 02:27:31,646
happened recently, echoing one

4363
02:27:31,646 --> 02:27:33,280
one thing MR. Pate was talking

4364
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:34,848
about earlier, the incredible

4365
02:27:34,848 --> 02:27:37,520
response by utilities when the

4366
02:27:37,520 --> 02:27:39,987
water main broke, that was that

4367
02:27:39,987 --> 02:27:42,223
was like superhuman. Um, and,

4368
02:27:42,223 --> 02:27:43,791
uh, another I just have to go

4369
02:27:43,791 --> 02:27:44,191
on record for your amusement

4370
02:27:44,191 --> 02:27:45,893
saying, I

4371
02:27:45,893 --> 02:27:47,260
m so glad the fire

4372
02:27:47,260 --> 02:27:49,426
department is driving their

4373
02:27:50,664 --> 02:27:51,865
SUVs more, um, probably not

4374
02:27:51,865 --> 02:27:53,567
something you expected me to

4375
02:27:53,567 --> 02:27:55,603
say. Driving your suv more

4376
02:27:55,603 --> 02:27:56,360
makes me happy. But if it

4377
02:27:56,360 --> 02:27:57,204
s as

4378
02:27:57,204 --> 02:27:57,671
opposed to driving a big fire

4379
02:27:57,671 --> 02:27:58,440
engine, that

4380
02:27:58,440 --> 02:27:59,474
s a great thing.

4381
02:27:59,474 --> 02:27:59,773
And especially if it

4382
02:27:59,773 --> 02:28:01,308
s less

4383
02:28:01,308 --> 02:28:04,245
than, respond better to, uh,

4384
02:28:04,245 --> 02:28:04,379
emergency situations. But I

4385
02:28:04,379 --> 02:28:06,347
m

4386
02:28:06,347 --> 02:28:07,281
really here to offer kind of

4387
02:28:07,281 --> 02:28:09,490
like a public service

4388
02:28:09,490 --> 02:28:10,584
announcement to you all. Pretty

4389
02:28:10,584 --> 02:28:10,951
soon, I think you

4390
02:28:10,951 --> 02:28:12,951
re going to

4391
02:28:13,488 --> 02:28:16,490
be getting the report on your

4392
02:28:16,490 --> 02:28:17,425
property. Um, evaluation of the

4393
02:28:17,425 --> 02:28:19,961
the state of the property

4394
02:28:19,961 --> 02:28:21,595
inventory for the city. And

4395
02:28:21,595 --> 02:28:22,997
after that, I hope making some

4396
02:28:22,997 --> 02:28:24,565
decisions about how you want to

4397
02:28:24,565 --> 02:28:26,433
improve those properties in

4398
02:28:26,433 --> 02:28:28,602
lots of ways, and I hope,

4399
02:28:28,602 --> 02:28:30,104
including the monitoring and

4400
02:28:30,104 --> 02:28:32,406
efficiency of energy use in

4401
02:28:32,406 --> 02:28:33,807
them. So the public service

4402
02:28:33,807 --> 02:28:35,441
announcement part is to let you

4403
02:28:35,441 --> 02:28:37,244
know that among the tools in

4404
02:28:37,244 --> 02:28:39,513
your in your toolbox going

4405
02:28:39,513 --> 02:28:40,681
forward, on top of things like,

4406
02:28:40,681 --> 02:28:42,249
you know, bond issues and all

4407
02:28:42,249 --> 02:28:42,517
of that, um, if you haven

4408
02:28:42,517 --> 02:28:43,752
t

4409
02:28:43,752 --> 02:28:44,853
seen a couple of a couple of

4410
02:28:44,853 --> 02:28:47,388
weeks ago in Raleigh, they

4411
02:28:47,388 --> 02:28:48,889
passed, uh, Senate Bill 445,

4412
02:28:48,889 --> 02:28:51,889
which was a regulatory reform

4413
02:28:52,359 --> 02:28:55,163
bill, and a part of it, um, was

4414
02:28:55,163 --> 02:28:57,365
to streamline the process of

4415
02:28:57,365 --> 02:28:59,765
letting government and entities

4416
02:29:00,135 --> 02:29:02,503
enter into, uh, guaranteed

4417
02:29:02,503 --> 02:29:03,972
energy savings contracts. And

4418
02:29:03,972 --> 02:29:05,439
if you probably are somewhat

4419
02:29:05,439 --> 02:29:08,439
familiar with those, but again,

4420
02:29:09,100 --> 02:29:10,244
for public record, it allows

4421
02:29:10,244 --> 02:29:12,460
city governments or other

4422
02:29:12,460 --> 02:29:14,682
entities to contract with a

4423
02:29:14,682 --> 02:29:16,684
third party. Um, not have to

4424
02:29:16,684 --> 02:29:18,987
put forth a bunch of cash

4425
02:29:18,987 --> 02:29:20,989
necessarily, and start to see

4426
02:29:20,989 --> 02:29:23,692
savings from, uh, from energy

4427
02:29:23,692 --> 02:29:25,326
efficiency right away. Is it as

4428
02:29:25,326 --> 02:29:25,826
good a deal, not a dollar for

4429
02:29:25,826 --> 02:29:26,193
dollar. But you don

4430
02:29:26,193 --> 02:29:28,193
t have to

4431
02:29:28,362 --> 02:29:30,965
come up with a cash. So in that

4432
02:29:30,965 --> 02:29:33,134
sense, it can be a real unlock

4433
02:29:33,134 --> 02:29:35,103
for moving forward on things.

4434
02:29:35,103 --> 02:29:35,503
Um, and since I have 48

4435
02:29:35,503 --> 02:29:36,604
seconds, I

4436
02:29:36,604 --> 02:29:38,472
ll also mention

4437
02:29:38,472 --> 02:29:40,207
House Bill 162 also passed,

4438
02:29:40,207 --> 02:29:41,309
which means no more parking

4439
02:29:41,309 --> 02:29:43,611
limits, no more parking

4440
02:29:43,611 --> 02:29:43,978
minimums, I should say. Which I

4441
02:29:43,978 --> 02:29:44,646
know that

4442
02:29:44,646 --> 02:29:46,646
s somewhat

4443
02:29:46,715 --> 02:29:47,414
controversial, but think of how

4444
02:29:47,414 --> 02:29:48,115
marvelous that

4445
02:29:48,115 --> 02:29:49,584
s going to be

4446
02:29:49,584 --> 02:29:50,919
for opening up housing in the

4447
02:29:50,919 --> 02:29:52,530
city. I know there will be

4448
02:29:52,530 --> 02:29:55,155
people who are a little upset,

4449
02:29:55,155 --> 02:29:57,591
but this is a good thing for,

4450
02:29:57,591 --> 02:29:59,160
um, improving density and

4451
02:29:59,160 --> 02:30:00,762
fighting against sprawl. So

4452
02:30:00,762 --> 02:30:01,795
hooray for that and I hope you

4453
02:30:01,795 --> 02:30:01,997
have a good night. I think I

4454
02:30:01,997 --> 02:30:02,697
m

4455
02:30:02,697 --> 02:30:03,497
last, so y

4456
02:30:03,497 --> 02:30:04,399
all get to go home.

4457
02:30:04,399 --> 02:30:05,966
Good night.

4458
02:30:05,966 --> 02:30:07,167
Thank you, MR. Mares. Is there

4459
02:30:07,167 --> 02:30:08,102
anyone else who wants to speak

4460
02:30:08,102 --> 02:30:08,670
during the public comment

4461
02:30:08,670 --> 02:30:10,670
period? Yes, ma

4462
02:30:16,944 --> 02:30:18,944
am.

4463
02:30:20,215 --> 02:30:21,349
I have to put my shoes on.

4464
02:30:21,349 --> 02:30:23,170
Hi, all. My name is Marilyn

4465
02:30:23,170 --> 02:30:24,285
Mendiola dela Cruz. I live in

4466
02:30:24,285 --> 02:30:25,185
Mebane and I don

4467
02:30:25,185 --> 02:30:26,654
t have a home

4468
02:30:26,654 --> 02:30:27,622
address. Um, I

4469
02:30:27,622 --> 02:30:29,523
m here because I

4470
02:30:29,523 --> 02:30:30,591
stand in solidarity and in full

4471
02:30:30,591 --> 02:30:32,260
support with hate out

4472
02:30:32,260 --> 02:30:33,661
Winston-Salem fair Justice and

4473
02:30:33,661 --> 02:30:35,300
Safety Act, which I try and

4474
02:30:35,300 --> 02:30:36,630
see, supports a youth policy

4475
02:30:36,630 --> 02:30:37,699
that did decriminalize a small

4476
02:30:37,699 --> 02:30:39,340
amount of marijuana possession

4477
02:30:39,340 --> 02:30:41,536
by minors through sight and

4478
02:30:41,536 --> 02:30:43,204
release, and diversion, while

4479
02:30:43,204 --> 02:30:43,939
keeping criminal penalties for

4480
02:30:43,939 --> 02:30:45,939
selling, trafficking,

4481
02:30:46,274 --> 02:30:48,760
distribution, driving and

4482
02:30:48,760 --> 02:30:50,111
adults supplying marijuana to

4483
02:30:50,111 --> 02:30:52,511
minors. North Carolina General

4484
02:30:53,881 --> 02:30:56,281
statute statute 90-95 currently

4485
02:30:56,818 --> 02:30:58,620
makes possession of schedule

4486
02:30:58,620 --> 02:31:00,187
six controlled substance, a

4487
02:31:00,187 --> 02:31:01,990
class three misdemeanor with

4488
02:31:01,990 --> 02:31:03,857
marijuana penalties increasing

4489
02:31:03,857 --> 02:31:06,257
by quantity. Possession over

4490
02:31:06,561 --> 02:31:08,363
the half one half ounce becomes

4491
02:31:08,363 --> 02:31:10,131
a class one misdemeanor, and

4492
02:31:10,131 --> 02:31:11,399
possession over one and one

4493
02:31:11,399 --> 02:31:12,867
half ounce becomes class one

4494
02:31:12,867 --> 02:31:14,202
felony. We should not treat

4495
02:31:14,202 --> 02:31:15,704
teenagers caught with small

4496
02:31:15,704 --> 02:31:16,637
personal use amount the same

4497
02:31:16,637 --> 02:31:18,407
way that we treat someone

4498
02:31:18,407 --> 02:31:20,709
selling drugs to children. The

4499
02:31:20,709 --> 02:31:22,310
policy should be simple seize

4500
02:31:22,310 --> 02:31:24,111
the substance issue site,

4501
02:31:24,111 --> 02:31:25,180
notify parent guardian when

4502
02:31:25,180 --> 02:31:27,349
appropriate. Connect the young

4503
02:31:27,349 --> 02:31:28,315
person to education,

4504
02:31:28,315 --> 02:31:29,785
assessment, counseling,

4505
02:31:29,785 --> 02:31:31,753
diversion and keep them out of

4506
02:31:31,753 --> 02:31:33,753
detention. Unnecessary and

4507
02:31:34,222 --> 02:31:36,570
unnecessary criminal processing

4508
02:31:36,570 --> 02:31:37,760
the person selling it is a

4509
02:31:37,760 --> 02:31:38,727
different enforcement problem.

4510
02:31:38,727 --> 02:31:40,128
North Carolina already

4511
02:31:40,128 --> 02:31:42,497
recognizes that youth justice

4512
02:31:42,497 --> 02:31:43,999
can use interventions other

4513
02:31:43,999 --> 02:31:45,999
than incarceration under

4514
02:31:46,330 --> 02:31:47,469
chapter seven seven. Be

4515
02:31:47,469 --> 02:31:48,737
juvenile courts can impose

4516
02:31:48,737 --> 02:31:49,937
counseling, community service,

4517
02:31:49,937 --> 02:31:51,740
substance abuse programming,

4518
02:31:51,740 --> 02:31:52,940
supervision, curfews as

4519
02:31:52,940 --> 02:31:54,940
conditions of juvenile

4520
02:31:55,677 --> 02:31:56,945
dispositions. There is also

4521
02:31:56,945 --> 02:31:58,945
useful historical comparison

4522
02:31:59,314 --> 02:32:01,749
with tobacco. In 1998, the cdc

4523
02:32:01,749 --> 02:32:03,418
documented the 42 states had

4524
02:32:03,418 --> 02:32:05,353
laws prohibiting minors from

4525
02:32:05,353 --> 02:32:06,488
purchasing, possessing, or

4526
02:32:06,488 --> 02:32:07,755
prohibiting selling or

4527
02:32:07,755 --> 02:32:08,623
distribution of tobacco to

4528
02:32:08,623 --> 02:32:10,392
minors. North Carolina

4529
02:32:10,392 --> 02:32:11,860
specifically prohibits minors

4530
02:32:11,860 --> 02:32:14,229
from purchasing tobacco and

4531
02:32:14,229 --> 02:32:17,660
classified the violation as a

4532
02:32:17,660 --> 02:32:19,670
class two misdemeanor. The

4533
02:32:19,670 --> 02:32:20,736
policy lesson is that we can

4534
02:32:20,736 --> 02:32:21,803
regulate youth access and hold

4535
02:32:21,803 --> 02:32:23,710
sellers accountable without

4536
02:32:23,710 --> 02:32:25,471
making criminalization of the

4537
02:32:25,941 --> 02:32:28,341
young person the primary

4538
02:32:29,440 --> 02:32:31,444
intervention. Um, I support

4539
02:32:32,982 --> 02:32:35,382
narrowly written safety focus.

4540
02:32:37,419 --> 02:32:40,200
I support. Sorry, I need

4541
02:32:40,200 --> 02:32:42,420
reading glasses. North Carolina

4542
02:32:44,726 --> 02:32:46,928
general statute. Um. 153a-142

4543
02:32:46,928 --> 02:32:48,928
expressly authorizes counties

4544
02:32:50,665 --> 02:32:53,702
to impose a curfew on anyone 18

4545
02:32:53,702 --> 02:32:55,537
and under 18 in North Carolina,

4546
02:32:55,537 --> 02:32:56,939
law also provides municipal

4547
02:32:56,939 --> 02:32:57,939
authority for juvenile curfews.

4548
02:32:57,939 --> 02:32:59,541
But the curfew has to be

4549
02:32:59,541 --> 02:33:01,510
written around safety, not

4550
02:33:01,510 --> 02:33:03,910
punishment. There should be

4551
02:33:05,470 --> 02:33:06,147
explicit exceptions for work,

4552
02:33:06,147 --> 02:33:08,147
school, religious services,

4553
02:33:08,149 --> 02:33:10,149
organized activities, Medicare,

4554
02:33:10,418 --> 02:33:11,520
medical care, transportation,

4555
02:33:11,520 --> 02:33:12,787
or even coming out to city

4556
02:33:12,787 --> 02:33:14,457
council to be able to speak

4557
02:33:14,457 --> 02:33:17,457
because, you know, it goes

4558
02:33:18,426 --> 02:33:19,962
after nine. Um, and not turning

4559
02:33:19,962 --> 02:33:20,762
ordinary presence in public

4560
02:33:20,762 --> 02:33:21,896
into unnecessary,

4561
02:33:21,896 --> 02:33:23,896
disproportionately racially

4562
02:33:24,650 --> 02:33:25,701
targeted arrest or criminal

4563
02:33:25,701 --> 02:33:27,903
records. Our standards should

4564
02:33:27,903 --> 02:33:29,704
be simple hold adults, dealers,

4565
02:33:29,704 --> 02:33:31,704
traffickers accountable, yada

4566
02:33:32,410 --> 02:33:33,441
yada yada and not putting our

4567
02:33:33,441 --> 02:33:34,409
kids into the criminal justice

4568
02:33:34,409 --> 02:33:36,770
pipeline.

4569
02:33:36,770 --> 02:33:37,145
Thank you.

4570
02:33:37,145 --> 02:33:39,180
Anyone else for the public

4571
02:33:39,180 --> 02:33:41,180
comment? Period.

4572
02:33:44,520 --> 02:33:46,354
I would like to say something.

4573
02:33:46,354 --> 02:33:49,557
Um, my name is Sarah Girard.

4574
02:33:49,557 --> 02:33:52,395
Uh, 216 West Banner Avenue. I

4575
02:33:52,395 --> 02:33:54,620
also came to support hate outs,

4576
02:33:54,620 --> 02:33:55,797
um, initiatives on

4577
02:33:55,797 --> 02:33:56,365
decriminalization. I

4578
02:33:56,365 --> 02:33:58,365
m very

4579
02:33:58,867 --> 02:34:00,735
concerned about our federal

4580
02:34:00,735 --> 02:34:03,720
government and the fact that we

4581
02:34:03,720 --> 02:34:05,508
have both white supremacist and

4582
02:34:05,508 --> 02:34:07,908
white nationalists in office

4583
02:34:08,376 --> 02:34:11,714
right now, and the trickle down

4584
02:34:11,714 --> 02:34:15,550
of that to us. Uh, I finally,

4585
02:34:15,550 --> 02:34:18,286
like I can only I think a lot

4586
02:34:18,286 --> 02:34:20,755
of globally and nationally and

4587
02:34:20,755 --> 02:34:22,357
internationally, but locally is

4588
02:34:22,357 --> 02:34:25,957
the only place I can really

4589
02:34:26,596 --> 02:34:27,280
have enough impact. And. I

4590
02:34:27,280 --> 02:34:28,431
m

4591
02:34:28,431 --> 02:34:31,431
just very concerned about that.

4592
02:34:33,668 --> 02:34:35,503
And I want to try to get

4593
02:34:35,503 --> 02:34:38,407
support from my local officials

4594
02:34:38,407 --> 02:34:40,807
and protecting the community.

4595
02:34:40,942 --> 02:34:43,942
So in things like not

4596
02:34:44,180 --> 02:34:46,580
overpolicing, um, people for

4597
02:34:47,782 --> 02:34:50,285
things that are not really

4598
02:34:50,285 --> 02:34:51,553
crimes, I mean, we, we have

4599
02:34:51,553 --> 02:34:53,953
well, I can we

4600
02:34:54,570 --> 02:34:54,322
ve sorry, i

4601
02:34:54,322 --> 02:34:55,692
m a

4602
02:34:55,692 --> 02:34:56,926
little nervous. I didn

4603
02:34:56,926 --> 02:34:58,926
t put

4604
02:35:00,161 --> 02:35:03,366
anything to speak. So, um, but

4605
02:35:03,366 --> 02:35:05,101
things like, uh, not how are we

4606
02:35:05,101 --> 02:35:07,937
going to protect our citizens

4607
02:35:07,937 --> 02:35:10,937
in general? And with things

4608
02:35:11,706 --> 02:35:14,760
like the, um, Ice raids and ice

4609
02:35:14,760 --> 02:35:15,760
stops there? Um, we

4610
02:35:15,760 --> 02:35:16,245
ve had our

4611
02:35:16,245 --> 02:35:16,645
sheriff say we can

4612
02:35:16,645 --> 02:35:18,481
t do

4613
02:35:18,481 --> 02:35:21,284
anything because this is, you

4614
02:35:21,284 --> 02:35:24,786
know, this is federal, but who

4615
02:35:24,786 --> 02:35:26,589
will protect our citizens when

4616
02:35:26,589 --> 02:35:29,457
you have federal officers doing

4617
02:35:29,457 --> 02:35:30,792
things that are illegal? So I

4618
02:35:30,792 --> 02:35:32,561
just wanted to speak in

4619
02:35:32,561 --> 02:35:35,561
solidarity with hate out. And

4620
02:35:35,598 --> 02:35:37,300
also, um, say that I plan to

4621
02:35:37,300 --> 02:35:39,700
attend meetings more regularly

4622
02:35:41,300 --> 02:35:43,472
because I want to, um, have our

4623
02:35:43,472 --> 02:35:45,307
local officials protecting our

4624
02:35:45,307 --> 02:35:47,307
citizens. Thank you.

4625
02:35:48,477 --> 02:35:51,477
Thank you. And someone else

4626
02:35:55,318 --> 02:35:57,219
wanted to speak.

4627
02:35:57,219 --> 02:35:58,588
Hello? Hello, I

4628
02:35:58,588 --> 02:35:59,922
m Charlotte, I

4629
02:35:59,922 --> 02:36:00,790
live in Greensboro. Although

4630
02:36:00,790 --> 02:36:02,792
some of you will have seen me

4631
02:36:02,792 --> 02:36:03,826
around a fair bit. Uh, Olivia

4632
02:36:03,826 --> 02:36:04,961
already covered everything

4633
02:36:04,961 --> 02:36:06,729
pretty thoroughly, so I just

4634
02:36:06,729 --> 02:36:08,960
want to say that, uh, I also

4635
02:36:08,960 --> 02:36:09,966
stand in solidarity with hate

4636
02:36:09,966 --> 02:36:11,400
out and, uh, support the

4637
02:36:11,400 --> 02:36:12,401
Winston-Salem Fair Justice and

4638
02:36:12,401 --> 02:36:14,401
Public Safety Act.

4639
02:36:14,437 --> 02:36:15,637
Thank you. Thank you very much.

4640
02:36:15,637 --> 02:36:15,871
Anyone else during the public

4641
02:36:15,871 --> 02:36:17,871
comment.

4642
02:36:18,707 --> 02:36:19,642
Period?

4643
02:36:19,642 --> 02:36:19,775
All right. See you then. When

4644
02:36:19,775 --> 02:36:21,110
I

4645
02:36:21,110 --> 02:36:22,945
ll close the public comment

4646
02:36:22,945 --> 02:36:25,548
period. We do have the need to

4647
02:36:25,548 --> 02:36:26,850
go into a closed session. MR..

4648
02:36:26,850 --> 02:36:28,985
Tim Adams has a motion, I

4649
02:36:28,985 --> 02:36:29,952
believe. Councilmember Clark, I

4650
02:36:29,952 --> 02:36:31,720
make a comment before we do

4651
02:36:31,720 --> 02:36:32,588
that brief comment. I was at a

4652
02:36:32,588 --> 02:36:32,722
meeting the other day. I don

4653
02:36:32,722 --> 02:36:33,623
t

4654
02:36:33,623 --> 02:36:34,924
remember which one, but the

4655
02:36:34,924 --> 02:36:36,358
police chief was there and I

4656
02:36:36,358 --> 02:36:38,358
specifically asked the

4657
02:36:39,428 --> 02:36:41,831
question, how many cameras does

4658
02:36:41,831 --> 02:36:44,231
the city, Winston-Salem have?

4659
02:36:46,801 --> 02:36:47,603
And he said none. No, you asked

4660
02:36:47,603 --> 02:36:48,871
it. I asked.

4661
02:36:48,871 --> 02:36:50,538
If.

4662
02:36:50,538 --> 02:36:50,806
But anyway, we both asked it.

4663
02:36:50,806 --> 02:36:52,806
But that

4664
02:36:53,843 --> 02:36:55,311
s what he said. All

4665
02:36:55,311 --> 02:36:55,645
right. The answer was the same.

4666
02:36:55,645 --> 02:36:57,790
All right.

4667
02:36:57,790 --> 02:36:58,748
Thank you.

4668
02:36:58,748 --> 02:36:59,582
All around..

4669
02:36:59,582 --> 02:37:00,216
It must have been different,

4670
02:37:00,216 --> 02:37:01,182
sir. We

4671
02:37:01,182 --> 02:37:02,785
re not talking back and

4672
02:37:02,785 --> 02:37:03,352
forth in the audience. Mayor

4673
02:37:03,352 --> 02:37:04,287
Pro tem.

4674
02:37:04,287 --> 02:37:05,721
Yes. I move.

4675
02:37:05,721 --> 02:37:07,757
For the city council to go into

4676
02:37:07,757 --> 02:37:10,157
closed session pursuant to

4677
02:37:10,760 --> 02:37:13,160
North Carolina General Statute

4678
02:37:16,990 --> 02:37:16,331
143318.1186 to conduct the City

4679
02:37:16,331 --> 02:37:17,767
Manager

4680
02:37:17,767 --> 02:37:18,534
s annual performance

4681
02:37:18,534 --> 02:37:19,468
evaluation.

4682
02:37:19,468 --> 02:37:20,303
Thank you. Second.

4683
02:37:20,303 --> 02:37:21,137
Second.

4684
02:37:21,137 --> 02:37:21,837
All in favor of the motion,

4685
02:37:21,837 --> 02:37:22,371
please say aye.

4686
02:37:22,371 --> 02:37:22,571
Aye, aye.

4687
02:37:22,571 --> 02:37:23,238
That

4688
02:37:23,238 --> 02:37:23,471
s unanimous. We

4689
02:37:23,471 --> 02:37:25,471
re now

4690
02:37:27,276 --> 02:37:29,676
going in closed session.

4691
02:37:31,113 --> 02:37:33,583
And I took my two big. He could

4692
02:37:33,583 --> 02:37:34,952
have been, uh.

4693
02:37:34,952 --> 02:37:36,886
But the meeting I might have.

4694
02:37:36,886 --> 02:37:37,152
Made this.

4695
02:37:37,152 --> 02:37:38,821
We can

4696
02:37:38,821 --> 02:37:40,821
t talk about.

4697
02:37:50,666 --> 02:37:51,866
Um. Oh, and.

4698
02:37:51,866 --> 02:37:53,903
Then I told myself.

4699
02:37:53,903 --> 02:37:56,903
That I probably should walk

4700
02:38:36,145 --> 02:38:38,145
through. Thank you.

4701
02:39:52,488 --> 02:39:54,488
But I.

4702
02:40:17,790 --> 02:40:19,790
The.

4703
02:41:58,810 --> 02:41:58,382
Yeah.

4704
02:41:58,382 --> 02:42:00,382
That. Let

4705
02:42:15,732 --> 02:42:16,330
s try. The.

4706
02:42:16,330 --> 02:42:18,330
Yeah.

4707
02:42:30,614 --> 02:42:32,115
Okay. Okay. So that. Yeah. But

4708
02:42:32,115 --> 02:42:33,350
they they said they were.

4709
02:42:33,350 --> 02:42:33,916
Yeah. I remember those two

4710
02:42:33,916 --> 02:42:34,417
days. I couldn

4711
02:42:34,417 --> 02:42:34,718
t remember.

4712
02:42:34,718 --> 02:42:36,718
What the.

4713
02:42:38,789 --> 02:42:43,589
Other one was. And I was a. But

4714
02:42:43,760 --> 02:42:46,960
I guess. Yeah, yeah I can get

4715
02:42:46,960 --> 02:42:47,363
my emails out. Yeah. Well thank

4716
02:42:47,363 --> 02:42:49,265
you all for all of you on your

4717
02:42:49,265 --> 02:42:49,533
work. I appreciate it. It

4718
02:42:49,533 --> 02:42:51,533
s

4719
02:42:51,969 --> 02:42:52,336
been a long. Yeah, I

4720
02:42:52,336 --> 02:42:52,536
m sure

4721
02:42:52,536 --> 02:42:54,438
they

4722
02:42:54,438 --> 02:42:58,380
re not all easy. Thank you.

4723
02:47:46,331 --> 02:47:48,331
Exactly. Bye. It

4724
02:47:48,800 --> 02:47:51,200
s so cold. Yes.

4725
02:47:55,238 --> 02:47:58,838
I wish I knew somewhere welcome.

4726
02:48:01,646 --> 02:48:01,912
Is there a motion to end the. I

4727
02:48:01,912 --> 02:48:03,912
moved.

4728
02:48:04,150 --> 02:48:06,150
So moved.

4729
02:48:06,150 --> 02:48:07,352
By Hall. Second by. Yeah. All

4730
02:48:07,352 --> 02:48:09,287
in favor of any closed session,

4731
02:48:09,287 --> 02:48:12,156
please say aye. Aye aye. Motion

4732
02:48:12,156 --> 02:48:13,359
to adjourn. Motion by Mayor Pro

4733
02:48:13,359 --> 02:48:14,994
Tem, seconded by.

4734
02:48:14,994 --> 02:48:16,528
Several.

4735
02:48:16,528 --> 02:48:17,695
Thank you. Going all those in

4736
02:48:17,695 --> 02:48:19,630
favor of the motion to adjourn?

4737
02:48:19,630 --> 02:48:19,297
Say aye. Aye, aye. We

4738
02:48:19,297 --> 02:48:21,297
re

4739
02:48:30,410 --> 02:48:32,410
adjourned.

4740
02:48:39,117 --> 02:48:43,317
Let me ask you a the motion.