AUGUST 20th, 25th.
The order
or roll call tristan
chairperson stephen gilday.
Present board member maurice
capra here, board member art
geller here for member jonathan
ober here.
Board member joanne kreps here
and board attorney.
>> I'm over here.
Thank you.
All right.
I'd like to ask everybody to
rise for a moment of silence,
please
.
MR. Mayor, would you sign the
pledge of allegiance, please?
I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the united states of america
for which it stands one nation
under GOD, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.
For all
.
All right.
Deputy chief.
How are you tonight?
I'm great.
>> how are you guys?
Wonderful.
Do we have any changes to the
agenda?
Yes.
I'm happy to report that we
will remove five of one as it
came into compliance late this
afternoon.
>> wonderful.
And I would also like to make a
recommendation if the board so
desires to move 5o2 in front of
500 as we don't have anybody
from 500 here at this time and
several people for 5o2.
No objection.
All in favor?
Right.
Yeah, no problem.
Okay.
MAY I ask that all code
enforcement officers and other
individuals giving testimony
this evening please come up to
the podium on you're going to
give testimony and announce
your name, position or your
name and address.
And before speaking.
And at this time, if you plan
to come up, if you would stand
and be sworn in, no.
Can I have you raise your right
hand and then do you swear and
affirm to tell the truth the
whole truth and nothing but the
truth?
>> awesome.
Can I also just make a note of
anybody in the audience?
If you're going to speak, could
you just write your name down
on this little border here just
to make sure I have it spelled
correct in the minutes for me?
Yes, ma'am.
Thank you.
>> you guys are humming along.
No typos and everything look
good.
Okay.
Good job.
Thank you.
Triple j.
All right.
Did any one else read the
minutes from tuesday, JULY
28th, 2026.
>> sorry to your person.
We actually have to elect a
vice chairperson for the
remainder of this year.
Since miguel was our vice chair
we do have to just select
someone else just in case.
>> okay.
What happens if we don't select
someone?
Can we postpone it to the next
meeting?
Potentially.
It's really just the vice
chairperson there in case the
chairperson can't be here for
whatever reason the vice
chairperson can then run the
meeting.
It's just one of those
safeguards that we have in
place for that in case
something happens.
>> yeah, our main reasoning,
our hesitancy is miguel really
good.
He's very thorough and every
time we always learn something
from coaches.
>> what can we can we point to
interim for him?
I mean I mean, if he comes back
then he would take it now or do
we have to redo it for an issue
with that?
>> how does that work?
I think that would be fine.
Do we know if he's thinking of
coming back or we have an
application of file?
He has shown interest.
It's just in regards to the
commission has not reappointed
him yet.
>> sure.
And I got a response there on
it.
Yes, got that.
I'll be back.
Gotcha.
Yeah, we can table it for next
time or postpone it next time
if you would like.
Or we can appoint an interim
like we wouldn't for good for
the evening.
>> let's postpone until next
time.
Okay?
Okay.
Yeah.
Do we ever have an excuse me?
Do we ever have an opportunity
where this board would have to
meet prior to the next meeting?
>> not from my understand less.
It's a complete emergency, you
know, in regards to safety and
hazards and things.
But like I don't I've never had
that happen.
>> yeah that's that's correct.
If there was an emergency and
we needed to get the board
together, we could do so.
>> that's why I was asking
about a typical term.
But just at that point we could
look at that point if there's
an emergency, those of us who
come to that meeting would be
able to elect somebody at that
point.
>> I mean, again, it's only if
the chair person can't make it.
Yeah, that would be that would
be could we do that if the
chair couldn't make it, we
could all show up and then
elect somebody that night.
Sure.
Okay.
Yeah.
Then I'm good with it.
So then I would formally move
to table the yeah for me move
to the table the election of to
the next meeting.
Second.
All in favor?
I.
All right.
>> now back to where I was
thinking.
Sorry.
>> okay.
Just kidding.
Just on your job has anybody
reviewed the minutes from the
the JULY meeting?
JULY 28th, 2026?
Yes.
No, they were painful.
Sorry.
Do you and do you have any
changes, any issues or do you
have a motion to approve?
I didn't see anything that I
noted was incorrect.
Okay.
So I would make a motion to
approve the minutes from JULY
2026 second nothing.
We have a second roll call.
Chairperson gilday.
Yeah.
Board member keppra board
member obama.
All right.
Board member cripps like board
member gallo.
All right.
I know continued cases, no
repeat cases 500.
We are going to move five out.
One is in compliance.
That brings us to five vote to
item five or to please.
>> good evening.
For the record, my name is
carlos to follow.
Code compliance division of
city warner springs.
>> I bring before you
presentation 2026 cv 000927 and
I ask the board to accept this
presentation into evidence and
one second.
All those technical good okay
for the case address is 1219
sworn st for violations of city
ordinance 13 dash two b 13 dash
two c 13 dash two d and 9-374.
Okay, I got it.
thank you.
Definition as presented.
Definition as presented and in
definition as presented.
>> case summary JUNE 3rd, 2026
code compliance division
received a citizen complaint
regarding multiple code
violations at the reference
property on JUNE ninth a follow
up inspection was performed
observed building materials
overgrowth, yard debris damage
or dead trees, waste within the
front area of the property.
The screening as a site barrier
is in disarray and address
numbers on the property
building and both sides of the
mailbox not legible or missing
exhibits one through 12th JUNE
10 to 26 and notice of
violation was mailed to the
registered property owner by
usps certified mail with return
receipt requested posted at the
property where the alleged
violation existed and posted at
city hall exhibit 13 exhibit
one.
Exhibit two.
Exhibit three.
Exhibit four.
Exhibit five six.
Exhibit seven.
Exhibit eight.
Exhibit nine.
Exhibit ten.
Exhibit 11 and exhibit 12.
>> probably can't see too well,
but there is a medium sized
tree that has broken in half.
Top section has fallen over but
the other section remains
planted into the ground.
>> there is another tree in the
back you'll see in a different
exhibit.
Notice of violation posting
case summary JUNE 29, 2026
property ownership was updated
on seminole county appraiser as
of JUNE 15th 2026 followup
inspection was performed to
verify the violations remain on
the property JULY 14 to 2026
and also violation was mailed
to the register property owner
by usps certified mail return
receipt requested JULY 17, 2026
and notice of violation was
posted at the property and
posted at city hall exhibits 14
through 21
exhibit 1415 1617.
There's a you might not be able
to pick it up but there's
another large tree on the left
side behind the green tree.
There's a brown dead tree and I
think it's pine if I'm not
mistaken.
Exhibit 18, exhibit 19.
So at 2021 case summary JULY
24th 2026, a follow up
inspection was performed served
that the property remain in
violation.
Notice of colbourne hearing was
sent by us usps certified mail
return receipt requested posted
at the reference property and
at city hall exhibits 22
through 29
23 24, 25, 26
supposed to be 26 27, 28.
That's the other large tree I
was talking about on the rear
side of the property stop
recommendation stop recommends
the code enforcement board find
the property in violation of
one spring city ordinance 13
dash two be 13 dash two c 13
dash two d and city ordinance
9-374 to be corrected and the
property barn to compliance on
or before SEPTEMBER 24th 2026
30 days and consider imposition
of a daily fine up to 250 per
violation per day in the event
the requirements of the order
have not been met by the date
set forth for compliance by a
code enforcement board.
Can you pull up the day of
photos
?
>> oh, there should be a set of
I think 13 or 14 photos
.
>> so the front area the right
away has grown significantly
since the last inspection site
barrier still in disarray and
in fact even worse condition.
And it was before tree remains
in the front yard and that's
starting to grow.
>> building materials of the
various debris still remains
siberian still falling apart,
pallet still remains leaning on
the structure and other yard
debris.
That tree still remains
some
overgrowth to the rear side of
the property yard to bring in
the front area of the property
.
I think that was it.
Okay, that concludes our
presentation.
>> does the board have any
questions?
What type of dialog have you
had the owners?
>> none.
>> I actually received a return
mail not that long ago but I
have no communication, email or
phone by the new owners.
>> no new owners.
>> did they buy this as is or
was this under under
construction?
>> so I would presume as is
since the permit can't be
transferred over to the new
owner unless they go through
the same steps.
So as of JULY I mean JUNE 15th
,I have to go back to that.
As of that date when the
ownership changed, I didn't
cite the property right away
just to give some time to see
maybe the jump on something but
nothing was moving so the new
owners were cited
appropriately.
Okay.
Was this a foreclosure?
>> not to my understanding at
the time.
The original notice was given
the owner was in process of
still trying to get the permits
in place for the as he were
doing the first notice of
violation he received as a
separate matter.
But it was for a expired permit
which he ended up getting it
issued back to him again.
>> but then shortly after he
sold the property.
Is anyone living in this house?
>> oh, no.
Okay.
Not that I can see.
No.
Okay.
So it's not a rental?
No, it's pretty much a
construction site right now.
>> it's nothing going in and
out of that property, I
believe.
Anybody who wants to testify
here would probably say the
same.
>> okay.
Thank you.
And here is there a respondent
here for the the owner now the
owner's not here?
No.
and the owner has not responded
or accepted any of the service
on mail?
>> yeah, there was a return and
I have to look for it, but
nothing was claimed.
>> so you haven't got any phone
calls from the owner?
>> no.
The owner is g investments.
Okay.
Because the owner is g
investments and we've had
multiple cases like this in the
past where some bank or
investment company owns a
property and they just don't
respond to the bank pay for it.
>> yeah.
So the latest from postal
services AUGUST 17th of 2026
return notice it never was
signed for it was returned back
to sender.
Okay.
And we have folks that are
willing to give testimony on
this to the internal revenue
service property.
You could come up and state
your name and address.
What are you?
So ellen paul I live at 1201
street.
I one second will help you out
there.
It was on this.
Sorry about that.
Thank you
.
You can fill that out after.
Yeah.
This has been going on for four
years.
Okay.
We're going on the fifth year
the people decided to rather
than tear it down and build a
new house, they decided to
renovate.
apparently the contractor my
understanding was from
clearwater they had no more
than two people working on this
house for two years or four
years.
Then it went down to one person
and they would bring in stuff
and they the yard was just
piled with a dumpster and stuff
everywhere.
That was finally removed.
>> as you can see, the yard is
very unsafe.
It's a health hazard there.
Children in the neighborhood
that ride their bicycles by
going to school.
There are rats running out of
the house to the neighbors that
are on that side of the street.
They're dealing with rats.
I'm sure the raccoon family is
living in their maybe the
coyotes.
I don't know.
But there's all kind of there
was a dead rabbit that had been
I think the coyote got it in
the driveway.
So anyway, the back of the
house is completely open and
it's been open for four years.
So anything can run in and out
of there.
It's I'm sure people mold it
this property.
It just needs to be demolished
.
I don't know if the city can
demolish it.
It's awful.
You know, I think four years is
long enough for the neighbors
to have to suffer looking at
it.
And I'm sure if it was across
from your property you would be
as frustrated as we are.
So I appreciate you listening
to my rambling, but we're just
over this.
Anything you can do to speed up
the process would be greatly
appreciated.
Mean I'm sorry I didn't hear
where you're dressed.
>> are you a neighbor, I'm
assuming.
Yes.
I live across the street.
Three doors down.
Okay.
Thank you.
And I'm go by it every day.
In fact, I even walk on the
other side of the street
because I don't know what's
going to come out and bite you.
Okay.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Is there anyone else?
Hi, I'm paula jobe and I live
right next door at 1217 swan.
In their 30 years seen for
owners come and go.
>> now we're on the fifth.
I understand as a builder that
lives down the road on northern
.
My husband and I are very, very
high and taking pride on
ownership of our house and we
try very hard to have our lawn
and our house just so.
>> luckily I live on the side
where there's a hedge and a
fence, whereas we have
neighbors that live red cross
straight that have to see it
every single day.
>> the issue is I worked or I
know the owners of the past
owners and I know what happened
and I know why they sold the
house.
I also know that they told that
whoever is going to buy the
house has to demolish the
house.
There was extensive mold
because for four years nobody
lived in there and was open and
they were sorely disappointed.
But they certainly found the
house quick enough to purchase
and live away from from swan
street.
>> we've never my husband I've
never had rats until recently
and we've never had raccoons
until recently.
Our bird feeders are completely
gone because of all the rats
that come.
We had rats nesting in our
patio this past spring.
>> it's just been very hard.
Now our front lawn, which I
think I would love to say that
we probably have won the best
lawns, you know, in the
neighborhood just because my
husband put so much time in it.
The weeds, the seeds, the
branches those trees have
fallen on the fences.
The trees have fallen from the
front.
And as was seen in the
pictures, there is a actually a
large oak tree that broke and
fell.
Well, there's one that's fell
into our yard too that we had
to take care of.
>> so the thing is, is that
with this new builder I was so
happy to see that a new owner
had come in to the scene
because for four years we had
to deal with the past owner and
getting permits after permits
after permits to extend four
years of construction.
That never worked out for them.
So with the new owner back in
JUNE that bought the house, I
was like, oh please just mow
the lawn.
>> at least the old owner had a
service that came every week to
mow.
>> there's nothing been done.
And I just walked the sidewalk
this morning and the grass is
actually attaching itself from
side to side over the sidewalks
.
And in our block right now
they're putting a new
sidewalks.
They're digging out the old
ones and putting in new ones.
The cracked and broken.
And I can't wait until they get
on this side because of the
fact that they're going to fix
what's been broken and all the
hopefully all the weeds and the
bushes and the shrubs and it's
just it's just an ongoing
thing.
So with a new owner, my husband
was like, okay, great.
>> somebody is going to do
something.
And it's just gotten worse.
And with the heat and the rain
,it's just as you have seen in
the pictures just so overgrown,
so as alan said to, you know,
if we can get this move in,
something happening, we would
surely appreciate it.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you.
Mm hmm.
Thank you, everybody for your
time just to hear our concerns
on the neighborhood.
>> I'm delia pigott.
I live at 1220 swan street.
I'm directly in front of 1219.
So I get to see this every
single day.
I have been in winter springs
for five years.
One of the things that
attracted me to that
neighborhood specific actually
was just how the prior to
ownership that we have in our
neighborhood there was a lot of
students, a lot of kids that
ride their bikes.
That was one of the things and
of course all the trees and the
nature around us.
>> that's what attracted me to
winter springs currently been
four years going on.
All of us have pride in our
neighborhood.
We all kind of compete nicely
just to keep our best yards.
>> we have respect for the
trash that goes out there at
night and for the last four
years we have not seen any
effort from whether it's the
owners or the new owners to
even match or have the minimum
standards of the community.
>> the other thing too is that
it causes concerns because as
ellen said, there's a lot of
open places and spaces in that
in that in that housing.
Previously while they were
working on it, there were a lot
of people that were staying
there overnight at two weeks at
a time, three weeks and there
were different faces coming and
going from time to time.
No one drove, no one had a
license.
They just kind of sat there for
2 or 3 weeks and then they
left.
So we have been dealing with
this for over four years and
we're just here in solidarity
trying to see if we can get
this some support done.
Even the owners, they're not
even here.
We live there in the
neighborhood and we have to
deal with it everyday.
So we're asking for some sort
of resolution to get this going
.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you.
Is there anyone else wishing to
speak?
Okay.
Can you confirm from carlos the
one one did this owner take
ownership?
>> I think you said you think
it was JUNE.
JUNE 15th.
I believe you two can
because
does the board have any other
questions?
Yes.
Carlos carlos, what addressed
did we send these notices to
the new owner?
>> I sort of registered owners
are listed gbg investments llc
1215 northern way.
Okay
.
Let's see.
Inspector the photo the
residence or at least one that
I remember mentioned the safety
potential safety issues.
Is this something the city's
got to worry about?
>> I, I can't fathom on you
know what ifs but I mean there
is substantial business
building materials out there
lumber, metal, metals and
everything.
>> like she said before, the
back is pretty much open, is
not secured.
Anything that was supposed to
be there as a site barriers and
just disarray.
Nothing's really preventing
anybody from going on to that
property and venturing into it.
>> there's no swimming pool
though, right?
>> nope.
An open lot that I can no, no.
The fact that they can go into
that house, a child or any body
that's to me is the safety
issue right there.
>> so the rear gate is ajar is
open.
Sometimes I see it more is open
more than other days.
But it's never been secured for
a while I guess for our or our
lawyer, our league, our legal,
legal, legal.
>> if this was an empty pool,
you know, a swimming pool
situation, we could request as
a board to do something.
It is.
Does this safety thing apply in
this case that we can do
something?
>> yeah, it's kind of a I would
say kind of an edge case
typically to have the city to
go in and abate the property,
it has to be pretty significant
to find it to be like a health
hazard.
It usually has to be quite
significant like a pool that is
open that the child or someone
could walk into and drown or
some sort of body of water that
is like breathing of
mosquitoes.
Definitely the rats and other
vermin are, you know, an issue
and might be a safety concern I
suppose whether it would rise
to that level is up to the
board and then I'll just know
that the city has requested to
go in and do the abatement at
this time if that's something
they're looking to explore.
>> I'll defer to them.
okay.
Thank you.
Of course.
Is that something that thanks
to deputy chief pressley for
the record, it's not out of the
question.
What we're asking for tonight
is a finding of fact that
they're in violation.
There are some steps that we've
discussed internally that we
can take.
But for this evening, you know,
we're obviously requesting that
finding of fact that some
violation there are some things
that takes a little more
investigate of work to
determine the rodents and
things like that.
We haven't seen any of those
personally.
So you know, if we can show the
health hazard safety hazard, we
can definitely go that route.
But we don't feel that we have
the evidence to support that in
our case this evening.
Excuse me.
Okay.
Excuse me.
MAY I?
Please.
If we were to have a finding of
fact, can the city go?
Can we have the city go in and
at least clean up?
>> no.
With mowing or any.
No.
The finding of fact is to incur
the daily fines if they don't
come into compliance after our
recommended 30 days that we
give them.
If that's what the board does,
this evening, we have another
tool that you'll never see as
an intent to remedy.
so if we still continue to get
no response from the property
owner, there's a 15 day notice.
For example, if the city's
going to go in and mow the
grass and clean up some of the
junk, the construction debris,
we can issue a 15 day notice
post that if it's not cleaned
up then we can go in and do
that without any board action.
>> if council if we have the
pool situation and they come in
and we're looking to to resolve
a safety issue on such a case,
it's in the past.
To my recollection we've done
that and it's that time shorter
than that 30 days recommended.
Hmm.
The fact that we're speaking
the safety concerns here, can
we can we alter that in this
case and be on on good footing
to do it with a time frame less
than 30 days?
>> yeah, absolutely.
You all are provided with a
fair amount of discretion about
the time frames and the fines.
The time frame just has to be
reasonable and the fine just
can't be more than $250 per
violation.
But within that you have a lot
of wiggle room.
So if you think that less than
30 days is appropriate in this
case, then then that would
we're talking about the safety
issues we have for violations.
>> you can split them up if you
want.
It doesn't have to be the same
time or fine for each violation
.
>> if you want to be more
inclined to consider that if
there was representation here
for the other side on the fact
that there's been no
interaction.
All right.
That's my feeling.
And but I personally I've heard
enough that they're consider a
motion of someone like the
present one if there's no more
questions.
I will I do have another
question or discussion if we
could.
So what would the board be
thinking would be the time
frame?
I mean I'm I think just to give
them 30 days is ridiculous when
they have not even responded or
actually turn their nose up at
any violation letters that were
sent to them.
They're just showing that
they're not they're not
interested and for those
reasons, why give them more
time just to sit there and do
nothing?
I completely concur.
Chief, how much time I how much
time do you think it will
actually take for somebody to
come in to clear out those
safety violations if if they
were to start tomorrow, how
much time will it take?
>> I mean, I guess be
determined by the size of the
crew.
I mean, if we take into
consideration a cleanup crew of
4 or 5 people, I mean I would
imagine you get a majority of
it done in a day.
>> okay.
So then you.
Yeah, that's what I wanted.
That's what I needed to know.
I needed to know from your
perspective what a reasonable
timeframe would be to to clean
it up.
Right.
A tree crew can cut down a tree
in a day.
Right?
Yeah, it would.
Would the department be averse
to less than 30 days?
No, not at all.
Okay.
In that case, chair, I would
move to find that based on the
testimony, the photographs and
the evidence that was presented
by the officer show that there
are in fact violations of water
springs city ordinance 13 tach
to subparagraph for winter
springs city ordinance 13 tac
to subparagraph see where
springs city ordinance 13 tac
two subparagraph the and what
is spring city ordinance 9-374
and that those sections of the
code have been violated.
I move that respondents be
given until to today.
Today is AUGUST 25th.
Until SEPTEMBER seven.
About that reasonable.
Well I think that's more than
reasonable.
Two weeks is it two weeks.
Yeah that's two weeks.
Yeah.
I thought SEPTEMBER 7th, 2002
six to comply to comply if the
fair in the event that the
respondent does not correct the
violations in the event the
respondent fails to comply by
that date.
Finally, amount of 250 hours
per day per violation shall be
imposed shall be imposed until
the compliance is reported and
verified by the city's code
enforcement to the city's code
enforcement.
may I ask you to make one
liner?
Yes.
Can you include with that that
in addition to the the evidence
that there's potential safety
issues as well, you do that?
Yeah.
Then let me amend that to say
that the violations constitute
a serious threat to the public
health, safety and welfare.
And in the event respondent
does not correct the violations
by the date of this order, code
enforcement board MAY ask the
city commission and the city
commission MAY authorize the
city to make reasonable repairs
which are required to bring the
company property into
compliance and charge the
violator with a reasonable cost
of those repairs along with the
fines imposed pursuant to
chapter 162 for factors or
whether the fine he recommended
to be 150 gallons per day per
violation violation.
So that's four.
Okay.
All right.
>> and I just want to point out
for some discussion on this
that I, I think I counted 13
days to the monday.
Yeah.
Okay.
You want to make it SEPTEMBER
8th and make a temporary that's
two weeks.
Yeah, that's two weeks.
I think that's fair.
That would be my suggestion.
Okay.
Now the only thing that I'm
thinking about is modifying the
motion.
I don't know that the the three
prohibitions are certainly
worth the mailbox numbers.
I don't think so much so I
would modify it to say for that
for that last violation for
nine that cash dash 374 that
that fine be $50 a day.
I don't think we could justify
$250 a day for somebody not
putting numbers up.
Mm hmm.
I mean, do we need that second?
We do.
I just wanted to let any any
discussion happen before we.
>> well, I'll second it.
I'll second it and then you can
have a discussion.
Okay.
Yeah.
If you want.
Okay.
That's that's there.
I think.
I think we're good.
No further discussion.
Tristan brockwell, please.
We have a motion in a second.
>> I just want to actually
double verify the motion.
>> so we're doing a $250 a day
for the 313 dash two b, c and d
and then 54 ordinance 9-374.
Correct.
Okay.
Beautiful.
And giving them until SEPTEMBER
8th.
14.
Beautiful.
All right.
That totals to about $800 a
day, if I'm not mistaken.
>> I just wanted to make sure I
had that all down because I was
trying to get it while you were
saying.
>> yes, ma'am.
All righty.
Roll is chairperson gallo.
>> I sorry.
>> apologize, chairperson
gilday.
It's because I have you both
together.
>> I apologize.
Hear my name?
Chairperson gilday.
>> all right.
Board member gallo.
Hi.
Four member capra board member
ober board member kreps.
>> hi.
Okay.
That that does it mean that
it's going to happen overnight?
Just so you know and we don't
know what that person is going
to do and so it could linger
some more but at least the ball
is rolling.
Hopefully that'll open some
eyes and get things moving and
some things will happen in your
favor hopefully sooner than
later.
So all right.
Thank you.
Thank you for coming.
Sorry.
What you're going through there
right now?
We'll move backwards to item
500.
>> good evening.
For the record, my name is
carlos defalco.
Compliance with city want to
springs bring case 2026 c00
0535 across the board to accept
this presentation into evidence
.
Address is 530 south mass road
for violations of city
ordinance 20 dash four three
for a six authorized commercial
vehicles and residential area
or areas sorry one two springs
ordinance 13 dash two
subsection b prohibitions.
definition as presented
definition as presented case
summary MARCH 17th while
investigating an inoperable
commercial vehicle on the right
of way of south mass road, the
vehicle registration was
verified to the reference
property.
>> I arrived at the residence
to contact the owner but the
property was gated from my
position I observed another
commercial vehicle in the
property rear yard exhibits one
through two MAY 5th 2026.
A formal follow up inspection
was performed to observe
additional commercial vehicles
on the property with
accumulation of outdoor storage
and debris.
Courtesy notice was sent by
usps regular first class
mailing.
Exhibits three through four MAY
11th, 2026 a courtesy notice
was posted at the reference
property violations remain on
the property exhibit five I
exhibit one at this time this
was one vehicle and the rear
side that vehicle to this day
has remained in that position
in that condition exhibit
three.
MAY 5th we see three commercial
vehicles one obviously the
drive the driveway is being
utilized on the rear has a
second vehicle which has been
there since the time of this
photo.
So now we have two remaining
commercial vehicles on the
property at all times minus the
one in the driveway.
There's some accumulation
beyond the carport area.
There is some mangled metals,
cinderblocks, tires just stays
underneath the tree under
exhibit five, not really good
shot, but you still see the two
vehicles there just pan off to
the right side of the first
vehicle.
You'll see the the box of the
other vehicle on JUNE 9th,
2026.
>> a follow up inspection was
performed verified violations
remain on the property and also
violation was sent by usps
certified mailing with return
receipt requested posted at the
property in a city hall
exhibits 6 to 7 JUNE 30th,
2026.
A follow up inspection was
performed to verify the
violations remain on the
property exhibits eight JULY
24th 2026 a notice of hearing
was sent by usps certified
malware return receipt
requested posted at the
property near city hall
violation remains on the
property exhibits nine through
13 exhibit six exhibit seven
exhibit eight.
Now we have a third vehicle
panned off to the left hand
side I believe I can't see from
here but I believe this slide
is from JUNE 3rd and this one
is from JULY 24th.
So that vehicle still remains
it appears the debris have been
either removed or relocated.
There are some missing at the
time from the first initial
inspection, but the rest
remains.
I did notice some multiple or
canisters or propane tanks.
I can't tell exactly what they
MAY be.
They're off by the carport
area.
There's additional two right
there, including that red one.
The fence was observed after
the fact so I did not cite them
for that.
But in the near future of that
still remains that it's a whole
different case right there.
Notice of hearing and staff
recommendation and staff
recommends the code enforcement
board find the property in
violation of city ordinance 20
dash 434 and city ordinance 13
dash two b to be corrected in a
property brought to compliance
on or before SEPTEMBER 24th
2026 30 days and consider
imposition of a daily fine of
250 per violation per day and
then event the requirements of
the order to have not been met
by the date set for compliance
by the code enforcement board.
>> can you pull up the data for
photos please?
>> so this was taken this
morning.
The vehicle has to right there
and those canisters or tanks
are still there.
So there
they appear as they
try to organize that space with
the accumulation.
But we still got car parts and
other stuff there.
Yard debris was noticed after
the initial inspection, but
that has been there for about I
think 2 or 3 weeks now.
>> now it's very hard to see
what in between the building
and the tree.
I can't tell if that's a
commercial vehicle or an
enclosed trailer, but at the
height of it I'm going to
assume as a commercial vehicle
it's right in that area where
she's circling at.
But again, I can only speculate
and that's it.
>> that concludes our
presentation.
Do you have any questions?
What kind of dialog?
>> I had one and it was a
relative of the owner.
>> it was a son who advised
that they were away I believe
was vacation.
I'm not too sure they needed
some time so they was given an
extension and they said he was
going to clear everything up.
I did notify them about the
commercial vehicles being a
violation.
I guess it was some sort of
business that they had at one
time or another.
I'm not too sure they said he
was taking they will take care
of it.
But obviously as of today is
still has not been moved.
So and that's the only
communication I've had since
because is that the property is
occupied.
Yeah.
All right.
Looks like it's occupied
residentially not it's not a
business they're running out of
there.
>> I have not seen any
advertising as a business.
I can only assume maybe
delivery services or something.
But that is being as a
residential property for a
living.
>> okay.
>> when did you talk with that
relative?
What?
>> that was back in JUNE, if
i'm not mistaken.
I will have to look at my notes
.
>> okay.
I think it was the beginning of
the beginning or mid-JUNE and I
think an extra 2 or 3 weeks was
given to them.
Okay.
And that has not been no
changes whatsoever from there.
>> okay.
Questions.
No respondents here.
Anything down from you folks as
you guys can expect?
Who's asking for respect?
Is there a respondent present?
>> not that I can tell from
what I know.
Question no questions.
>> if somebody wants to present
a motion I do have a question.
I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
You said there were checks.
>> I guess they are propane
tanks.
Okay.
Yeah, I was so even know that
right now I don't know exactly
the use of I'm allowed to have
them so that's consider outdoor
storage is no different from a
previous case we have one over
now they're storing multiple.
I don't know if that's
pertaining to their business if
they have a business but the
first time I made observation
on it I did not see one and
then a second inspection I saw
multiple so I don't exactly
know the use for them.
I don't know if it's personal.
I don't know if it's commercial
for the business.
I don't know.
Just out of curiosity, can you
look up to see if there's a
business permit for 530
southwest road
?
Unfortunately cannot because I
don't have access to our
business license.
I don't have it off the civic
portal.
>> not on this computer,
unfortunately.
Okay.
>> maybe your deputy chief
presley might have that
information if needed.
>> he's about to walk in.
And welcome to our city clerk.
>> I'm sorry I did not hear the
question.
>> so the question was do you
is there any way we know if
there is a business permit are
licensed at 530 south mass road
so he's want to know if you
have the ability go in and go
can you go with this that
donation in a btr yeah your
yeah I apologize for the
residential one that you can
look up from this computer I
only see permit so I apologize
on that.
>> apologize no.
Where is to get you some kind
of we need to get you
connectivity to the city.
>> yeah if you
if the court
doesn't mind.
>> can I also ask a question of
the city?
>> so I just wanted to clarify
about the commercial vehicles
is the main issue that there's
multiple on the property or are
they do they fall into what are
the categories that are like
too large to be at a
residential property?
Both I think they're just
storing multiple even having
just one I think exceeds the
size.
>> gotcha.
Okay.
Thanks
.
In answer to for you, you did
stated just that you you only
had one conversation and that
was not with the owner but with
the owner's son.
Correct.
Okay.
So okay.
Thank you
.
>> any attempts to contact you
the to clarify any of this if
they have tried to reach out to
me and leave a voicemail, then
I would assume not only one
time I had a conversation with
them.
Okay.
Thank you.
I do not see a vtr for that.
Thank you.
Anything else
you can keep it?
Yeah.
I'm trying to think of a time
frame
.
There wasn't much
communication.
It's been since mid-JUNE and
this is a new case
.
Correct.
Off the couch?
Yeah.
I would still be in 30 days.
Yeah, I would do.
This is not a big deal.
Yeah.
All right.
And his place, it's thought
that would be something.
yeah.
Um, okay, so I move to find
that the photographs and
testimony from officer dafoe
show there are in fact findings
that the respondent at 530
south morse road is in
violation of winter springs
city ordinance 20 dash four
three subsection a six and
winter springs city ordinance
13 dash two subsection be of
the city code I move can you
just restate the ordinance
number for that first one the
commercial vehicles.
Yeah.
Ordinance resetting winter
springs city ordinance 20 dash
434 subsection a six.
Correct.
Yeah that's good.
Okay.
Yeah.
Thank you.
I move to order that the
respondent be given until the
SEPTEMBER 24th 2026 to correct
the violation in the event that
respondent fails to comply by
this date a fine in the amount
of $100 per day shall be
imposed per violation until
compliance is reported to and
verified by city code
enforcement 100 I would second
that motion.
Okay.
Any discussion?
Okay.
Roll call.
Chairperson gilday all right.
Or member gallo I form keppra I
for member of bear.
All right.
Board member krebbs okay.
All right.
Come.
That brings us to the end of
hearing some cases where there
is there any other information
detail questions, comments,
concerns.
Yes, sir.
Go ahead.
At the last two commission
meetings there has been
discussion about the
appointment of a special
magistrate to replace the code
enforcement board at a cost to
the city of approximately
$10,000 per year.
That was the amount that they
claim to.
We've been through this before
during my tenure and personally
and I'm not saying this because
I'm a member of this code board
and have been for a number of
years.
But I'm saying it because there
is a tremendous difference
between a special magistrate
and a code board.
This code board serves
voluntarily and we've volunteer
because we take pride in this
community and we have a love
for this city and we're not out
to punish people.
We're out to educate people and
to help bring people back into
compliance.
There have been many, many
times when people have come
before this board with
difficulties and we've given
them extended opportunities to
correct violations and we've
bent over backwards and gone
out of our way to help people
at times there MAY seem to be
disparities in how we assess
fines and how we do things, but
there is always thought and
fortitude in our decision
making.
We take many, many we take
multiple factors into
consideration including
cooperation with the code
enforcement debater, including
how people present themselves,
including the attitude that
they come to or that they don't
even show up to the board.
Correct.
So all of these factors become
part of how we assess fines.
I don't know that any special
magistrate would have the
compassion that we do towards
our fellow citizens.
I don't know that they come to
this with the same concern
caring that we do.
We come here as volunteers
because we love the community.
Special magistrate is getting
paid to do a job and I know
that there have been concerns
that for for our personal
safety that perhaps a
respondent would try to
retaliate and take action
against us in the many, many
years and I've been sitting on
this board, I completed nine
full years.
I was off for a year and now
I'm back on again.
So in the 11 years that I've
been sitting on this board, I
have never once been threatened
or felt intimidated by any
respondent.
So I think I, I really believe
that this board should take a
vote should take a vote and to
stay in a stance to encourage
the city to maintain the code
enforcement board in lieu of a
special magistrate.
And I would make that a motion.
It is if this board so desires
.
Let's do it as a motion and
make it official.
Yeah, but before we do that,
before we do that, I would ask
chief pressley what the
department's viewpoint is.
>> that's hard for them because
it's going yeah, yeah, I have
no I mean I obviously have an
opinion but it's not my
decision.
This topic has come up in the
past with most of the members
on this board.
You know when there were rumors
or discussions about going to a
special magistrate.
Safety is a concern.
I mean, I'm a police officer
and a police officer for almost
31 years.
There's cases around the
country where, you know, board
members of all different types
of boards have been hurt and
and you know, I don't think me
personally it's not an issue of
any unfairness.
There's some potential
efficiency things that might
make it a little more efficient
if it's during business hours
for city staff.
You know, that's kind of my
take on it.
But ultimately at the end of
the day it's not my decision.
You know, it's the
commissioner's decision.
So we we we and I appreciate
your opinion.
I mean, I, I really do and I
thank you for it.
I thank you also for all the
hard work that you do on your
behalf.
>> sure.
And we'll continue to do that
regardless of, you know and you
know, you talk about being
compassionate and I mean, I
can't express enough of what my
staff does before it even gets
here today.
I mean, there's so many chances
.
We're so accommodating and
obviously regardless of the
outcome, we'll continue to do
that for sure.
>> absolutely.
We we know we know that even in
law enforcement, the chief's
position has always been I'm
not here to punish.
I'm here to educate.
Sure, it's the same thing with
the traffic stop.
Somebody gets stopped.
It's not to punish them.
It's to educate them as to what
goes on.
Sometimes if fine is necessary,
sure.
But I don't know that the
special magistrate would would
come with the same kinds of
concerns.
So you know, if I would make a
motion that this board
officially request from the
city commission that we
continue as a board and that
any ideas of a special
magistrate be dropped.
I was second that.
All right.
A discussion discussion,
please.
I, I, I totally agree with you.
But I think when you send that
to a commission, you need to
send the reasons why we believe
that.
I mean, you know, you can sit
up here with a robot and say I
and that's what you're going to
get.
You know, here you get people
who listen to whatever is
happening even in someone's
life.
I mean, you know, there's a lot
of different things and
sometimes and we've even had
people who are in the process
of of reaching compliance but
they're not there yet when they
come here.
I mean, what do you do?
You say, well, you know, so I
yeah, I think we should have a
explanation and there yeah as
well I, I agree with
commissioner krebs.
I and I, I think I'm speaking
for myself.
I would be very comfortable
with rabbi caprio speaking to
the commission and giving them
the results of our vote because
everything you said I totally
agree with and I couldn't say
it any better than what you
just said yourself.
That's true.
So that would that would be my
request.
I agree and I will happily do
that.
In fact, public performances
for public disclosure.
I have a meeting with the city
manager tomorrow morning and
discuss this very topic.
Okay, good.
Thank I am this issue reared
its head a few times and I know
the last time it was driven
specifically by one of the
commissioners I don't know if
more have gotten hold or
whatnot, but um, I, I concur
with the reasons that you have
stated here and that that's I
think the crux of why I feel I
mean the way I do it's quite
frankly if we're going to have
the cases that people are just
going to blow it off and
totally get a wake up call, you
know what?
Maybe maybe it's your team or
you talking to them and
sometimes they end up here
because they want to listen to
that and just get in here is
like I MISS A lot of money.
Maybe I better get going.
Sometimes the ones that don't
show up, it's going to take
take the fine to get going.
Yeah, but there's an awful lot
of folks that do come here that
yes, that I think it's not that
they're trying to get away with
something.
I'm trying to blow both of you
guys off.
How many how many cases just on
insurance alone have we heard
over the years?
Sure.
I mean you pick a reason we we
we we seem to have heard it and
I think you're going to MISS A
lot of that where compassion
does have a role that's going
to be out the window with the
magistrate.
But I remember the one lady
that we had the elderly woman
that I mean, she ran out of
money.
Yes.
Probably living off the social
security and she just asked can
I just, you know, wait till I
get my money here to finish
what she had?
I mean, what how would a
magistrate treat that?
I don't know.
>> we do have a motion in a
second on the facts, right?
Yeah.
If didn't mean to do an
official vote and my
understanding is that the
motion is to request the
commission to consider keeping
the board as a code board and
not a special magistrate.
>> correct?
>> correct.
Okay.
So okay with me doing a vote
now, are you with one more
thing is that the we the motion
is to have rabbi capra take
that personally to the
commission.
Okay.
And then the city manager.
Yeah.
>> representing our the board
here.
Okay.
So you want me to include as
for morris carper to be
representative of the boards
voice sort of situation.
>> okay.
If I can add that onto that.
>> well yeah, that would be my
I guess my additions to my
amendment here.
>> that's what I'll do as an
official role call for the
record, please.
Please.
Chairperson gill do I or I
gallo I remember keppra a board
member ober all right.
>> more member reps by
unanimous.
Okay.
One more piece of business.
Go ahead, please.
>> she personally while you're
there, I understand you might
be getting close to retirement
and I just wanted to personally
say thank you for your 30 plus
years of service to the
community.
Every time I see you or hear
you, I learn something new.
You're you're fair.
You are everything I would want
a law enforcement officer to
be.
so I just want to say thank you
and thank you to your wonderful
staff.
There are some and you will be
truly missed.
Thank you, art.
Not yet.
It's not a rumor.
I will be retiring mid OCTOBER
after almost 31 years with the
winter springs police
department.
My wife and I are very excited
about that and thank you very
much for those very kind words
and I really appreciate it and
I appreciate all the support
not just to you but all the
members through the years that
are on this board that have
supported the police
department.
Can't do it without you guys.
Well, mid-OCTOBER 3032 that
I'll be here.
>> yeah, you sound like my boss
.
Okay.
Thank you.
We don't need a roll call.
Your your awesome.
Yeah.
So okay, so anything else?
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Okay.
And I will say that to our new
city clerk.
I we had to send the people
home tonight.
So aaron, I had several dancers
and people come in and get
ready, so we'll try to see if
we can get them back next time.
But but welcome aboard.
And we're happy to be working
with you.
>> I do have one more thing to
go ahead, please.
For those of you who are not
aware a icon in the city has
passed and that would be susie
coffman.
>> can I can I ask you to
repeat that?
I didn't hear you and I said an
icon of the city past.
Okay.
Susie coffman.
Okay.
And she actually began the the
the senior center that building
was just last year named after
her.
There's a room in there.
Her husband was very active
also.
And so we we really lost a
legend in a place.
And for those who don't know
dolly parton died.
Yeah she did and anything else
now that's okay note to end on
an all right this regular code
enforcement meeting board
meeting is now adjourned.
Thank you.
Thanks all