[0:00] AUGUST 20th, 25th.
[0:06] The order
[0:10] or roll call tristan
[0:11] chairperson stephen gilday.
[0:14] Present board member maurice
[0:18] capra here, board member art
[0:19] geller here for member jonathan
[0:20] ober here.
[0:21] Board member joanne kreps here
[0:25] and board attorney.
[0:25] >> I'm over here.
[0:25] Thank you.
[0:26] All right.
[0:29] I'd like to ask everybody to
[0:32] rise for a moment of silence,
[0:38] please
[0:40] .
[0:41] MR. Mayor, would you sign the
[0:42] pledge of allegiance, please?
[0:47] I pledge allegiance to the flag
[0:49] of the united states of america
[0:50] for which it stands one nation
[0:54] under GOD, indivisible, with
[0:54] liberty and justice for all.
[1:01] For all
[1:04] .
[1:04] All right.
[1:08] Deputy chief.
[1:08] How are you tonight?
[1:12] I'm great.
[1:12] >> how are you guys?
[1:13] Wonderful.
[1:14] Do we have any changes to the
[1:16] agenda?
[1:16] Yes.
[1:17] I'm happy to report that we
[1:18] will remove five of one as it
[1:19] came into compliance late this
[1:22] afternoon.
[1:22] >> wonderful.
[1:23] And I would also like to make a
[1:27] recommendation if the board so
[1:30] desires to move 5o2 in front of
[1:31] 500 as we don't have anybody
[1:33] from 500 here at this time and
[1:36] several people for 5o2.
[1:36] No objection.
[1:40] All in favor?
[1:40] Right.
[1:47] Yeah, no problem.
[1:47] Okay.
[1:51] MAY I ask that all code
[1:51] enforcement officers and other
[1:54] individuals giving testimony
[1:55] this evening please come up to
[1:58] the podium on you're going to
[1:58] give testimony and announce
[2:02] your name, position or your
[2:02] name and address.
[2:06] And before speaking.
[2:07] And at this time, if you plan
[2:08] to come up, if you would stand
[2:15] and be sworn in, no.
[2:16] Can I have you raise your right
[2:19] hand and then do you swear and
[2:20] affirm to tell the truth the
[2:22] whole truth and nothing but the
[2:22] truth?
[2:23] >> awesome.
[2:26] Can I also just make a note of
[2:27] anybody in the audience?
[2:27] If you're going to speak, could
[2:30] you just write your name down
[2:30] on this little border here just
[2:31] to make sure I have it spelled
[2:34] correct in the minutes for me?
[2:34] Yes, ma'am.
[2:41] Thank you.
[2:42] >> you guys are humming along.
[2:45] No typos and everything look
[2:45] good.
[2:46] Okay.
[2:46] Good job.
[2:46] Thank you.
[2:49] Triple j.
[2:49] All right.
[2:52] Did any one else read the
[2:55] minutes from tuesday, JULY
[2:55] 28th, 2026.
[2:56] >> sorry to your person.
[2:57] We actually have to elect a
[2:59] vice chairperson for the
[3:00] remainder of this year.
[3:03] Since miguel was our vice chair
[3:04] we do have to just select
[3:06] someone else just in case.
[3:06] >> okay.
[3:11] What happens if we don't select
[3:13] someone?
[3:14] Can we postpone it to the next
[3:17] meeting?
[3:17] Potentially.
[3:18] It's really just the vice
[3:19] chairperson there in case the
[3:21] chairperson can't be here for
[3:22] whatever reason the vice
[3:22] chairperson can then run the
[3:23] meeting.
[3:25] It's just one of those
[3:26] safeguards that we have in
[3:28] place for that in case
[3:28] something happens.
[3:32] >> yeah, our main reasoning,
[3:33] our hesitancy is miguel really
[3:35] good.
[3:36] He's very thorough and every
[3:40] time we always learn something
[3:40] from coaches.
[3:44] >> what can we can we point to
[3:47] interim for him?
[3:48] I mean I mean, if he comes back
[3:51] then he would take it now or do
[3:52] we have to redo it for an issue
[3:54] with that?
[3:55] >> how does that work?
[3:56] I think that would be fine.
[3:59] Do we know if he's thinking of
[4:01] coming back or we have an
[4:02] application of file?
[4:02] He has shown interest.
[4:03] It's just in regards to the
[4:05] commission has not reappointed
[4:06] him yet.
[4:06] >> sure.
[4:07] And I got a response there on
[4:07] it.
[4:10] Yes, got that.
[4:10] I'll be back.
[4:10] Gotcha.
[4:14] Yeah, we can table it for next
[4:14] time or postpone it next time
[4:14] if you would like.
[4:18] Or we can appoint an interim
[4:18] like we wouldn't for good for
[4:19] the evening.
[4:21] >> let's postpone until next
[4:22] time.
[4:22] Okay?
[4:22] Okay.
[4:22] Yeah.
[4:25] Do we ever have an excuse me?
[4:26] Do we ever have an opportunity
[4:27] where this board would have to
[4:29] meet prior to the next meeting?
[4:29] >> not from my understand less.
[4:32] It's a complete emergency, you
[4:33] know, in regards to safety and
[4:33] hazards and things.
[4:36] But like I don't I've never had
[4:36] that happen.
[4:39] >> yeah that's that's correct.
[4:40] If there was an emergency and
[4:41] we needed to get the board
[4:45] together, we could do so.
[4:46] >> that's why I was asking
[4:48] about a typical term.
[4:49] But just at that point we could
[4:52] look at that point if there's
[4:52] an emergency, those of us who
[4:55] come to that meeting would be
[4:56] able to elect somebody at that
[4:56] point.
[5:00] >> I mean, again, it's only if
[5:00] the chair person can't make it.
[5:01] Yeah, that would be that would
[5:03] be could we do that if the
[5:04] chair couldn't make it, we
[5:05] could all show up and then
[5:07] elect somebody that night.
[5:07] Sure.
[5:07] Okay.
[5:07] Yeah.
[5:08] Then I'm good with it.
[5:11] So then I would formally move
[5:14] to table the yeah for me move
[5:18] to the table the election of to
[5:18] the next meeting.
[5:20] Second.
[5:20] Second.
[5:20] All in favor?
[5:22] I.
[5:27] All right.
[5:27] >> now back to where I was
[5:28] thinking.
[5:31] Sorry.
[5:31] >> okay.
[5:31] Just kidding.
[5:34] Just on your job has anybody
[5:37] reviewed the minutes from the
[5:38] the JULY meeting?
[5:41] JULY 28th, 2026?
[5:41] Yes.
[5:42] No, they were painful.
[5:44] Sorry.
[5:45] Do you and do you have any
[5:48] changes, any issues or do you
[5:49] have a motion to approve?
[5:52] I didn't see anything that I
[5:57] noted was incorrect.
[5:57] Okay.
[5:57] Okay.
[5:58] So I would make a motion to
[6:03] approve the minutes from JULY
[6:06] 2026 second nothing.
[6:09] We have a second roll call.
[6:09] Chairperson gilday.
[6:13] Yeah.
[6:13] Board member keppra board
[6:14] member obama.
[6:16] All right.
[6:17] Board member cripps like board
[6:17] member gallo.
[6:23] All right.
[6:27] I know continued cases, no
[6:31] repeat cases 500.
[6:37] We are going to move five out.
[6:41] One is in compliance.
[6:44] That brings us to five vote to
[6:47] item five or to please.
[6:47] >> good evening.
[6:48] For the record, my name is
[6:48] carlos to follow.
[6:51] Code compliance division of
[6:51] city warner springs.
[6:55] >> I bring before you
[7:00] presentation 2026 cv 000927 and
[7:01] I ask the board to accept this
[7:03] presentation into evidence and
[7:07] one second.
[7:14] All those technical good okay
[7:18] for the case address is 1219
[7:19] sworn st for violations of city
[7:23] ordinance 13 dash two b 13 dash
[7:31] two c 13 dash two d and 9-374.
[7:32] Okay, I got it.
[7:32] thank you.
[7:38] Definition as presented.
[7:41] Definition as presented.
[7:45] Definition as presented and in
[7:49] definition as presented.
[7:50] >> case summary JUNE 3rd, 2026
[7:50] code compliance division
[7:53] received a citizen complaint
[7:54] regarding multiple code
[7:54] violations at the reference
[7:56] property on JUNE ninth a follow
[7:57] up inspection was performed
[7:57] observed building materials
[8:01] overgrowth, yard debris damage
[8:04] or dead trees, waste within the
[8:05] front area of the property.
[8:06] The screening as a site barrier
[8:08] is in disarray and address
[8:09] numbers on the property
[8:10] building and both sides of the
[8:12] mailbox not legible or missing
[8:15] exhibits one through 12th JUNE
[8:16] 10 to 26 and notice of
[8:17] violation was mailed to the
[8:19] registered property owner by
[8:20] usps certified mail with return
[8:22] receipt requested posted at the
[8:23] property where the alleged
[8:24] violation existed and posted at
[8:28] city hall exhibit 13 exhibit
[8:32] one.
[8:34] Exhibit two.
[8:39] Exhibit three.
[8:43] Exhibit four.
[8:50] Exhibit five six.
[8:54] Exhibit seven.
[8:57] Exhibit eight.
[9:00] Exhibit nine.
[9:04] Exhibit ten.
[9:08] Exhibit 11 and exhibit 12.
[9:08] >> probably can't see too well,
[9:12] but there is a medium sized
[9:15] tree that has broken in half.
[9:16] Top section has fallen over but
[9:19] the other section remains
[9:20] planted into the ground.
[9:24] >> there is another tree in the
[9:24] back you'll see in a different
[9:25] exhibit.
[9:27] Notice of violation posting
[9:32] case summary JUNE 29, 2026
[9:32] property ownership was updated
[9:34] on seminole county appraiser as
[9:35] of JUNE 15th 2026 followup
[9:39] inspection was performed to
[9:40] verify the violations remain on
[9:42] the property JULY 14 to 2026
[9:43] and also violation was mailed
[9:46] to the register property owner
[9:46] by usps certified mail return
[9:50] receipt requested JULY 17, 2026
[9:50] and notice of violation was
[9:51] posted at the property and
[9:53] posted at city hall exhibits 14
[9:59] through 21
[10:09] exhibit 1415 1617.
[10:10] There's a you might not be able
[10:10] to pick it up but there's
[10:12] another large tree on the left
[10:12] side behind the green tree.
[10:16] There's a brown dead tree and I
[10:17] think it's pine if I'm not
[10:20] mistaken.
[10:25] Exhibit 18, exhibit 19.
[10:35] So at 2021 case summary JULY
[10:35] 24th 2026, a follow up
[10:36] inspection was performed served
[10:37] that the property remain in
[10:39] violation.
[10:40] Notice of colbourne hearing was
[10:43] sent by us usps certified mail
[10:43] return receipt requested posted
[10:44] at the reference property and
[10:46] at city hall exhibits 22
[10:52] through 29
[11:04] 23 24, 25, 26
[11:11] supposed to be 26 27, 28.
[11:12] That's the other large tree I
[11:12] was talking about on the rear
[11:15] side of the property stop
[11:18] recommendation stop recommends
[11:19] the code enforcement board find
[11:20] the property in violation of
[11:21] one spring city ordinance 13
[11:24] dash two be 13 dash two c 13
[11:28] dash two d and city ordinance
[11:28] 9-374 to be corrected and the
[11:31] property barn to compliance on
[11:34] or before SEPTEMBER 24th 2026
[11:37] 30 days and consider imposition
[11:38] of a daily fine up to 250 per
[11:38] violation per day in the event
[11:40] the requirements of the order
[11:41] have not been met by the date
[11:42] set forth for compliance by a
[11:44] code enforcement board.
[11:45] Can you pull up the day of
[11:51] photos
[11:59] ?
[12:00] >> oh, there should be a set of
[12:08] I think 13 or 14 photos
[12:09] .
[12:13] >> so the front area the right
[12:14] away has grown significantly
[12:17] since the last inspection site
[12:21] barrier still in disarray and
[12:22] in fact even worse condition.
[12:23] And it was before tree remains
[12:25] in the front yard and that's
[12:31] starting to grow.
[12:34] >> building materials of the
[12:38] various debris still remains
[12:46] siberian still falling apart,
[12:46] pallet still remains leaning on
[12:47] the structure and other yard
[12:51] debris.
[12:58] That tree still remains
[12:58] some
[13:02] overgrowth to the rear side of
[13:06] the property yard to bring in
[13:08] the front area of the property
[13:09] .
[13:09] I think that was it.
[13:13] Okay, that concludes our
[13:13] presentation.
[13:14] >> does the board have any
[13:14] questions?
[13:16] What type of dialog have you
[13:17] had the owners?
[13:21] >> none.
[13:22] >> I actually received a return
[13:25] mail not that long ago but I
[13:26] have no communication, email or
[13:29] phone by the new owners.
[13:31] >> no new owners.
[13:32] >> did they buy this as is or
[13:35] was this under under
[13:36] construction?
[13:40] >> so I would presume as is
[13:40] since the permit can't be
[13:41] transferred over to the new
[13:41] owner unless they go through
[13:44] the same steps.
[13:51] So as of JULY I mean JUNE 15th
[13:52] ,I have to go back to that.
[13:55] As of that date when the
[13:55] ownership changed, I didn't
[13:56] cite the property right away
[13:59] just to give some time to see
[14:00] maybe the jump on something but
[14:03] nothing was moving so the new
[14:03] owners were cited
[14:03] appropriately.
[14:07] Okay.
[14:10] Was this a foreclosure?
[14:10] >> not to my understanding at
[14:11] the time.
[14:14] The original notice was given
[14:15] the owner was in process of
[14:17] still trying to get the permits
[14:18] in place for the as he were
[14:21] doing the first notice of
[14:22] violation he received as a
[14:22] separate matter.
[14:25] But it was for a expired permit
[14:26] which he ended up getting it
[14:29] issued back to him again.
[14:30] >> but then shortly after he
[14:33] sold the property.
[14:36] Is anyone living in this house?
[14:36] >> oh, no.
[14:37] Okay.
[14:37] Not that I can see.
[14:40] No.
[14:40] Okay.
[14:41] So it's not a rental?
[14:44] No, it's pretty much a
[14:45] construction site right now.
[14:49] >> it's nothing going in and
[14:50] out of that property, I
[14:50] believe.
[14:52] Anybody who wants to testify
[14:52] here would probably say the
[14:53] same.
[14:56] >> okay.
[14:57] Thank you.
[15:00] And here is there a respondent
[15:09] here for the the owner now the
[15:09] owner's not here?
[15:13] No.
[15:14] and the owner has not responded
[15:17] or accepted any of the service
[15:18] on mail?
[15:21] >> yeah, there was a return and
[15:22] I have to look for it, but
[15:22] nothing was claimed.
[15:26] >> so you haven't got any phone
[15:26] calls from the owner?
[15:29] >> no.
[15:30] The owner is g investments.
[15:30] Okay.
[15:32] Because the owner is g
[15:33] investments and we've had
[15:38] multiple cases like this in the
[15:40] past where some bank or
[15:40] investment company owns a
[15:41] property and they just don't
[15:45] respond to the bank pay for it.
[15:45] >> yeah.
[15:49] So the latest from postal
[15:52] services AUGUST 17th of 2026
[15:55] return notice it never was
[15:56] signed for it was returned back
[15:56] to sender.
[15:59] Okay.
[16:00] And we have folks that are
[16:03] willing to give testimony on
[16:03] this to the internal revenue
[16:06] service property.
[16:07] You could come up and state
[16:13] your name and address.
[16:17] What are you?
[16:20] So ellen paul I live at 1201
[16:21] street.
[16:24] I one second will help you out
[16:24] there.
[16:29] It was on this.
[16:30] Sorry about that.
[16:36] Thank you
[16:36] .
[16:37] You can fill that out after.
[16:40] Yeah.
[16:43] This has been going on for four
[16:44] years.
[16:44] Okay.
[16:47] We're going on the fifth year
[16:50] the people decided to rather
[16:55] than tear it down and build a
[16:56] new house, they decided to
[16:58] renovate.
[16:59] apparently the contractor my
[17:03] understanding was from
[17:05] clearwater they had no more
[17:06] than two people working on this
[17:09] house for two years or four
[17:09] years.
[17:13] Then it went down to one person
[17:13] and they would bring in stuff
[17:16] and they the yard was just
[17:19] piled with a dumpster and stuff
[17:20] everywhere.
[17:23] That was finally removed.
[17:27] >> as you can see, the yard is
[17:28] very unsafe.
[17:28] It's a health hazard there.
[17:32] Children in the neighborhood
[17:32] that ride their bicycles by
[17:35] going to school.
[17:35] There are rats running out of
[17:39] the house to the neighbors that
[17:39] are on that side of the street.
[17:43] They're dealing with rats.
[17:43] I'm sure the raccoon family is
[17:46] living in their maybe the
[17:46] coyotes.
[17:46] I don't know.
[17:50] But there's all kind of there
[17:54] was a dead rabbit that had been
[17:54] I think the coyote got it in
[17:55] the driveway.
[18:00] So anyway, the back of the
[18:03] house is completely open and
[18:04] it's been open for four years.
[18:07] So anything can run in and out
[18:07] of there.
[18:11] It's I'm sure people mold it
[18:11] this property.
[18:15] It just needs to be demolished
[18:15] .
[18:16] I don't know if the city can
[18:18] demolish it.
[18:22] It's awful.
[18:23] You know, I think four years is
[18:23] long enough for the neighbors
[18:26] to have to suffer looking at
[18:26] it.
[18:27] And I'm sure if it was across
[18:29] from your property you would be
[18:30] as frustrated as we are.
[18:33] So I appreciate you listening
[18:36] to my rambling, but we're just
[18:36] over this.
[18:40] Anything you can do to speed up
[18:41] the process would be greatly
[18:44] appreciated.
[18:45] Mean I'm sorry I didn't hear
[18:47] where you're dressed.
[18:48] >> are you a neighbor, I'm
[18:48] assuming.
[18:51] Yes.
[18:52] I live across the street.
[18:52] Three doors down.
[18:52] Okay.
[18:53] Thank you.
[18:55] And I'm go by it every day.
[18:59] In fact, I even walk on the
[19:00] other side of the street
[19:00] because I don't know what's
[19:02] going to come out and bite you.
[19:02] Okay.
[19:06] Thank you.
[19:06] Appreciate it.
[19:09] Is there anyone else?
[19:14] Hi, I'm paula jobe and I live
[19:16] right next door at 1217 swan.
[19:23] In their 30 years seen for
[19:24] owners come and go.
[19:24] >> now we're on the fifth.
[19:26] I understand as a builder that
[19:30] lives down the road on northern
[19:30] .
[19:33] My husband and I are very, very
[19:34] high and taking pride on
[19:34] ownership of our house and we
[19:38] try very hard to have our lawn
[19:41] and our house just so.
[19:42] >> luckily I live on the side
[19:43] where there's a hedge and a
[19:45] fence, whereas we have
[19:45] neighbors that live red cross
[19:46] straight that have to see it
[19:48] every single day.
[19:53] >> the issue is I worked or I
[19:53] know the owners of the past
[19:54] owners and I know what happened
[19:56] and I know why they sold the
[19:56] house.
[19:57] I also know that they told that
[19:58] whoever is going to buy the
[20:01] house has to demolish the
[20:01] house.
[20:01] There was extensive mold
[20:05] because for four years nobody
[20:08] lived in there and was open and
[20:09] they were sorely disappointed.
[20:10] But they certainly found the
[20:13] house quick enough to purchase
[20:14] and live away from from swan
[20:18] street.
[20:19] >> we've never my husband I've
[20:22] never had rats until recently
[20:23] and we've never had raccoons
[20:26] until recently.
[20:26] Our bird feeders are completely
[20:27] gone because of all the rats
[20:27] that come.
[20:30] We had rats nesting in our
[20:34] patio this past spring.
[20:34] >> it's just been very hard.
[20:37] Now our front lawn, which I
[20:41] think I would love to say that
[20:41] we probably have won the best
[20:42] lawns, you know, in the
[20:42] neighborhood just because my
[20:45] husband put so much time in it.
[20:46] The weeds, the seeds, the
[20:49] branches those trees have
[20:49] fallen on the fences.
[20:53] The trees have fallen from the
[20:53] front.
[20:54] And as was seen in the
[20:57] pictures, there is a actually a
[20:57] large oak tree that broke and
[20:57] fell.
[21:00] Well, there's one that's fell
[21:01] into our yard too that we had
[21:01] to take care of.
[21:04] >> so the thing is, is that
[21:05] with this new builder I was so
[21:07] happy to see that a new owner
[21:11] had come in to the scene
[21:11] because for four years we had
[21:15] to deal with the past owner and
[21:15] getting permits after permits
[21:19] after permits to extend four
[21:19] years of construction.
[21:20] That never worked out for them.
[21:22] So with the new owner back in
[21:23] JUNE that bought the house, I
[21:26] was like, oh please just mow
[21:26] the lawn.
[21:27] >> at least the old owner had a
[21:29] service that came every week to
[21:29] mow.
[21:30] >> there's nothing been done.
[21:33] And I just walked the sidewalk
[21:36] this morning and the grass is
[21:37] actually attaching itself from
[21:40] side to side over the sidewalks
[21:40] .
[21:40] And in our block right now
[21:41] they're putting a new
[21:41] sidewalks.
[21:44] They're digging out the old
[21:45] ones and putting in new ones.
[21:45] The cracked and broken.
[21:48] And I can't wait until they get
[21:49] on this side because of the
[21:49] fact that they're going to fix
[21:52] what's been broken and all the
[21:53] hopefully all the weeds and the
[21:56] bushes and the shrubs and it's
[21:56] just it's just an ongoing
[21:57] thing.
[21:59] So with a new owner, my husband
[22:00] was like, okay, great.
[22:01] >> somebody is going to do
[22:03] something.
[22:04] And it's just gotten worse.
[22:07] And with the heat and the rain
[22:08] ,it's just as you have seen in
[22:08] the pictures just so overgrown,
[22:12] so as alan said to, you know,
[22:13] if we can get this move in,
[22:16] something happening, we would
[22:16] surely appreciate it.
[22:17] Thank you for your time.
[22:17] Thank you.
[22:18] Mm hmm.
[22:32] Thank you, everybody for your
[22:36] time just to hear our concerns
[22:36] on the neighborhood.
[22:37] >> I'm delia pigott.
[22:40] I live at 1220 swan street.
[22:43] I'm directly in front of 1219.
[22:44] So I get to see this every
[22:47] single day.
[22:50] I have been in winter springs
[22:50] for five years.
[22:51] One of the things that
[22:51] attracted me to that
[22:54] neighborhood specific actually
[22:55] was just how the prior to
[22:56] ownership that we have in our
[22:59] neighborhood there was a lot of
[22:59] students, a lot of kids that
[23:00] ride their bikes.
[23:03] That was one of the things and
[23:03] of course all the trees and the
[23:06] nature around us.
[23:07] >> that's what attracted me to
[23:10] winter springs currently been
[23:11] four years going on.
[23:14] All of us have pride in our
[23:14] neighborhood.
[23:15] We all kind of compete nicely
[23:17] just to keep our best yards.
[23:21] >> we have respect for the
[23:22] trash that goes out there at
[23:25] night and for the last four
[23:25] years we have not seen any
[23:29] effort from whether it's the
[23:29] owners or the new owners to
[23:32] even match or have the minimum
[23:33] standards of the community.
[23:36] >> the other thing too is that
[23:37] it causes concerns because as
[23:40] ellen said, there's a lot of
[23:43] open places and spaces in that
[23:44] in that in that housing.
[23:47] Previously while they were
[23:48] working on it, there were a lot
[23:49] of people that were staying
[23:52] there overnight at two weeks at
[23:52] a time, three weeks and there
[23:54] were different faces coming and
[23:55] going from time to time.
[23:59] No one drove, no one had a
[23:59] license.
[24:01] They just kind of sat there for
[24:02] 2 or 3 weeks and then they
[24:02] left.
[24:03] So we have been dealing with
[24:06] this for over four years and
[24:07] we're just here in solidarity
[24:10] trying to see if we can get
[24:10] this some support done.
[24:11] Even the owners, they're not
[24:14] even here.
[24:14] We live there in the
[24:15] neighborhood and we have to
[24:15] deal with it everyday.
[24:17] So we're asking for some sort
[24:20] of resolution to get this going
[24:21] .
[24:21] Thank you for your time.
[24:24] Thank you.
[24:29] Is there anyone else wishing to
[24:31] speak?
[24:35] Okay.
[24:39] Can you confirm from carlos the
[24:40] one one did this owner take
[24:43] ownership?
[24:44] >> I think you said you think
[24:47] it was JUNE.
[24:47] JUNE 15th.
[24:54] I believe you two can
[24:59] because
[25:00] does the board have any other
[25:00] questions?
[25:00] Yes.
[25:08] Carlos carlos, what addressed
[25:08] did we send these notices to
[25:09] the new owner?
[25:12] >> I sort of registered owners
[25:18] are listed gbg investments llc
[25:18] 1215 northern way.
[25:24] Okay
[25:29] .
[25:29] Let's see.
[25:33] Inspector the photo the
[25:36] residence or at least one that
[25:36] I remember mentioned the safety
[25:39] potential safety issues.
[25:40] Is this something the city's
[25:43] got to worry about?
[25:47] >> I, I can't fathom on you
[25:47] know what ifs but I mean there
[25:50] is substantial business
[25:50] building materials out there
[25:54] lumber, metal, metals and
[25:54] everything.
[25:58] >> like she said before, the
[25:59] back is pretty much open, is
[25:59] not secured.
[26:01] Anything that was supposed to
[26:02] be there as a site barriers and
[26:02] just disarray.
[26:05] Nothing's really preventing
[26:05] anybody from going on to that
[26:06] property and venturing into it.
[26:09] >> there's no swimming pool
[26:09] though, right?
[26:10] >> nope.
[26:13] An open lot that I can no, no.
[26:14] The fact that they can go into
[26:17] that house, a child or any body
[26:20] that's to me is the safety
[26:20] issue right there.
[26:25] >> so the rear gate is ajar is
[26:27] open.
[26:28] Sometimes I see it more is open
[26:28] more than other days.
[26:30] But it's never been secured for
[26:35] a while I guess for our or our
[26:39] lawyer, our league, our legal,
[26:42] legal, legal.
[26:46] >> if this was an empty pool,
[26:47] you know, a swimming pool
[26:49] situation, we could request as
[26:50] a board to do something.
[26:53] It is.
[26:54] Does this safety thing apply in
[26:57] this case that we can do
[26:57] something?
[27:01] >> yeah, it's kind of a I would
[27:02] say kind of an edge case
[27:05] typically to have the city to
[27:06] go in and abate the property,
[27:09] it has to be pretty significant
[27:10] to find it to be like a health
[27:12] hazard.
[27:13] It usually has to be quite
[27:16] significant like a pool that is
[27:17] open that the child or someone
[27:20] could walk into and drown or
[27:21] some sort of body of water that
[27:23] is like breathing of
[27:24] mosquitoes.
[27:28] Definitely the rats and other
[27:28] vermin are, you know, an issue
[27:32] and might be a safety concern I
[27:35] suppose whether it would rise
[27:36] to that level is up to the
[27:39] board and then I'll just know
[27:39] that the city has requested to
[27:40] go in and do the abatement at
[27:43] this time if that's something
[27:43] they're looking to explore.
[27:46] >> I'll defer to them.
[27:47] okay.
[27:47] Thank you.
[27:47] Of course.
[27:53] Is that something that thanks
[27:57] to deputy chief pressley for
[27:58] the record, it's not out of the
[28:00] question.
[28:01] What we're asking for tonight
[28:02] is a finding of fact that
[28:04] they're in violation.
[28:05] There are some steps that we've
[28:06] discussed internally that we
[28:08] can take.
[28:09] But for this evening, you know,
[28:10] we're obviously requesting that
[28:13] finding of fact that some
[28:16] violation there are some things
[28:16] that takes a little more
[28:17] investigate of work to
[28:17] determine the rodents and
[28:17] things like that.
[28:21] We haven't seen any of those
[28:21] personally.
[28:25] So you know, if we can show the
[28:28] health hazard safety hazard, we
[28:28] can definitely go that route.
[28:32] But we don't feel that we have
[28:33] the evidence to support that in
[28:36] our case this evening.
[28:36] Excuse me.
[28:36] Okay.
[28:39] Excuse me.
[28:39] MAY I?
[28:39] Please.
[28:43] If we were to have a finding of
[28:47] fact, can the city go?
[28:48] Can we have the city go in and
[28:51] at least clean up?
[28:52] >> no.
[28:52] With mowing or any.
[28:52] No.
[28:54] The finding of fact is to incur
[28:55] the daily fines if they don't
[28:58] come into compliance after our
[28:58] recommended 30 days that we
[29:02] give them.
[29:03] If that's what the board does,
[29:06] this evening, we have another
[29:10] tool that you'll never see as
[29:10] an intent to remedy.
[29:14] so if we still continue to get
[29:15] no response from the property
[29:17] owner, there's a 15 day notice.
[29:21] For example, if the city's
[29:22] going to go in and mow the
[29:22] grass and clean up some of the
[29:25] junk, the construction debris,
[29:26] we can issue a 15 day notice
[29:29] post that if it's not cleaned
[29:30] up then we can go in and do
[29:33] that without any board action.
[29:37] >> if council if we have the
[29:40] pool situation and they come in
[29:44] and we're looking to to resolve
[29:48] a safety issue on such a case,
[29:48] it's in the past.
[29:52] To my recollection we've done
[29:54] that and it's that time shorter
[29:54] than that 30 days recommended.
[29:55] Hmm.
[29:58] The fact that we're speaking
[29:59] the safety concerns here, can
[30:05] we can we alter that in this
[30:06] case and be on on good footing
[30:09] to do it with a time frame less
[30:09] than 30 days?
[30:10] >> yeah, absolutely.
[30:13] You all are provided with a
[30:14] fair amount of discretion about
[30:16] the time frames and the fines.
[30:17] The time frame just has to be
[30:20] reasonable and the fine just
[30:21] can't be more than $250 per
[30:24] violation.
[30:25] But within that you have a lot
[30:25] of wiggle room.
[30:28] So if you think that less than
[30:29] 30 days is appropriate in this
[30:31] case, then then that would
[30:32] we're talking about the safety
[30:35] issues we have for violations.
[30:39] >> you can split them up if you
[30:39] want.
[30:40] It doesn't have to be the same
[30:43] time or fine for each violation
[30:43] .
[30:44] >> if you want to be more
[30:45] inclined to consider that if
[30:46] there was representation here
[30:47] for the other side on the fact
[30:48] that there's been no
[30:50] interaction.
[30:51] All right.
[30:54] That's my feeling.
[30:58] And but I personally I've heard
[30:59] enough that they're consider a
[31:03] motion of someone like the
[31:03] present one if there's no more
[31:03] questions.
[31:04] I will I do have another
[31:07] question or discussion if we
[31:07] could.
[31:08] So what would the board be
[31:11] thinking would be the time
[31:11] frame?
[31:13] I mean I'm I think just to give
[31:14] them 30 days is ridiculous when
[31:17] they have not even responded or
[31:21] actually turn their nose up at
[31:22] any violation letters that were
[31:22] sent to them.
[31:23] They're just showing that
[31:25] they're not they're not
[31:28] interested and for those
[31:29] reasons, why give them more
[31:32] time just to sit there and do
[31:33] nothing?
[31:33] I completely concur.
[31:40] Chief, how much time I how much
[31:40] time do you think it will
[31:43] actually take for somebody to
[31:44] come in to clear out those
[31:45] safety violations if if they
[31:48] were to start tomorrow, how
[31:48] much time will it take?
[31:50] >> I mean, I guess be
[31:51] determined by the size of the
[31:54] crew.
[31:58] I mean, if we take into
[32:01] consideration a cleanup crew of
[32:02] 4 or 5 people, I mean I would
[32:06] imagine you get a majority of
[32:06] it done in a day.
[32:06] >> okay.
[32:10] So then you.
[32:10] Yeah, that's what I wanted.
[32:12] That's what I needed to know.
[32:13] I needed to know from your
[32:16] perspective what a reasonable
[32:21] timeframe would be to to clean
[32:21] it up.
[32:21] Right.
[32:24] A tree crew can cut down a tree
[32:24] in a day.
[32:28] Right?
[32:32] Yeah, it would.
[32:32] Would the department be averse
[32:35] to less than 30 days?
[32:36] No, not at all.
[32:39] Okay.
[32:43] In that case, chair, I would
[32:47] move to find that based on the
[32:47] testimony, the photographs and
[32:53] the evidence that was presented
[32:53] by the officer show that there
[32:58] are in fact violations of water
[33:02] springs city ordinance 13 tach
[33:06] to subparagraph for winter
[33:09] springs city ordinance 13 tac
[33:10] to subparagraph see where
[33:13] springs city ordinance 13 tac
[33:17] two subparagraph the and what
[33:23] is spring city ordinance 9-374
[33:27] and that those sections of the
[33:28] code have been violated.
[33:31] I move that respondents be
[33:34] given until to today.
[33:35] Today is AUGUST 25th.
[33:45] Until SEPTEMBER seven.
[33:45] About that reasonable.
[33:49] Well I think that's more than
[33:49] reasonable.
[33:50] Two weeks is it two weeks.
[33:52] Yeah that's two weeks.
[33:53] Yeah.
[33:53] Yeah.
[33:55] I thought SEPTEMBER 7th, 2002
[33:59] six to comply to comply if the
[34:03] fair in the event that the
[34:03] respondent does not correct the
[34:06] violations in the event the
[34:07] respondent fails to comply by
[34:07] that date.
[34:13] Finally, amount of 250 hours
[34:17] per day per violation shall be
[34:20] imposed shall be imposed until
[34:21] the compliance is reported and
[34:24] verified by the city's code
[34:25] enforcement to the city's code
[34:25] enforcement.
[34:29] may I ask you to make one
[34:29] liner?
[34:29] Yes.
[34:32] Can you include with that that
[34:36] in addition to the the evidence
[34:40] that there's potential safety
[34:43] issues as well, you do that?
[34:44] Yeah.
[34:45] Then let me amend that to say
[34:47] that the violations constitute
[34:51] a serious threat to the public
[34:52] health, safety and welfare.
[34:52] And in the event respondent
[34:55] does not correct the violations
[34:56] by the date of this order, code
[34:58] enforcement board MAY ask the
[34:59] city commission and the city
[35:02] commission MAY authorize the
[35:03] city to make reasonable repairs
[35:06] which are required to bring the
[35:07] company property into
[35:07] compliance and charge the
[35:10] violator with a reasonable cost
[35:11] of those repairs along with the
[35:14] fines imposed pursuant to
[35:18] chapter 162 for factors or
[35:19] whether the fine he recommended
[35:21] to be 150 gallons per day per
[35:21] violation violation.
[35:24] So that's four.
[35:25] Okay.
[35:28] All right.
[35:29] >> and I just want to point out
[35:33] for some discussion on this
[35:35] that I, I think I counted 13
[35:36] days to the monday.
[35:39] Yeah.
[35:39] Okay.
[35:43] You want to make it SEPTEMBER
[35:44] 8th and make a temporary that's
[35:44] two weeks.
[35:47] Yeah, that's two weeks.
[35:47] I think that's fair.
[35:50] That would be my suggestion.
[35:50] Okay.
[35:54] Now the only thing that I'm
[35:58] thinking about is modifying the
[35:58] motion.
[36:02] I don't know that the the three
[36:02] prohibitions are certainly
[36:06] worth the mailbox numbers.
[36:10] I don't think so much so I
[36:10] would modify it to say for that
[36:14] for that last violation for
[36:17] nine that cash dash 374 that
[36:19] that fine be $50 a day.
[36:23] I don't think we could justify
[36:24] $250 a day for somebody not
[36:25] putting numbers up.
[36:29] Mm hmm.
[36:30] I mean, do we need that second?
[36:33] We do.
[36:34] I just wanted to let any any
[36:37] discussion happen before we.
[36:38] >> well, I'll second it.
[36:40] I'll second it and then you can
[36:41] have a discussion.
[36:41] Okay.
[36:41] Yeah.
[36:44] If you want.
[36:44] Okay.
[36:44] That's that's there.
[36:45] I think.
[36:47] I think we're good.
[36:51] No further discussion.
[36:51] Tristan brockwell, please.
[36:54] We have a motion in a second.
[36:55] >> I just want to actually
[36:57] double verify the motion.
[36:58] >> so we're doing a $250 a day
[37:05] for the 313 dash two b, c and d
[37:09] and then 54 ordinance 9-374.
[37:09] Correct.
[37:09] Okay.
[37:09] Beautiful.
[37:12] And giving them until SEPTEMBER
[37:12] 8th.
[37:12] 14.
[37:13] Beautiful.
[37:13] All right.
[37:16] That totals to about $800 a
[37:17] day, if I'm not mistaken.
[37:20] >> I just wanted to make sure I
[37:21] had that all down because I was
[37:21] trying to get it while you were
[37:21] saying.
[37:22] >> yes, ma'am.
[37:22] All righty.
[37:23] Roll is chairperson gallo.
[37:27] >> I sorry.
[37:27] >> apologize, chairperson
[37:28] gilday.
[37:28] It's because I have you both
[37:31] together.
[37:31] >> I apologize.
[37:32] Hear my name?
[37:34] Chairperson gilday.
[37:34] >> all right.
[37:35] Board member gallo.
[37:39] Hi.
[37:39] Four member capra board member
[37:40] ober board member kreps.
[37:44] >> hi.
[37:44] Okay.
[37:45] That that does it mean that
[37:48] it's going to happen overnight?
[37:49] Just so you know and we don't
[37:52] know what that person is going
[37:53] to do and so it could linger
[37:56] some more but at least the ball
[37:56] is rolling.
[37:57] Hopefully that'll open some
[38:03] eyes and get things moving and
[38:03] some things will happen in your
[38:04] favor hopefully sooner than
[38:04] later.
[38:06] So all right.
[38:07] Thank you.
[38:07] Thank you for coming.
[38:07] Sorry.
[38:10] What you're going through there
[38:14] right now?
[38:16] We'll move backwards to item
[38:20] 500.
[38:20] >> good evening.
[38:21] For the record, my name is
[38:24] carlos defalco.
[38:25] Compliance with city want to
[38:30] springs bring case 2026 c00
[38:31] 0535 across the board to accept
[38:34] this presentation into evidence
[38:34] .
[38:35] Address is 530 south mass road
[38:37] for violations of city
[38:38] ordinance 20 dash four three
[38:41] for a six authorized commercial
[38:45] vehicles and residential area
[38:46] or areas sorry one two springs
[38:48] ordinance 13 dash two
[38:51] subsection b prohibitions.
[38:52] definition as presented
[38:58] definition as presented case
[38:58] summary MARCH 17th while
[38:59] investigating an inoperable
[39:03] commercial vehicle on the right
[39:03] of way of south mass road, the
[39:04] vehicle registration was
[39:06] verified to the reference
[39:06] property.
[39:07] >> I arrived at the residence
[39:08] to contact the owner but the
[39:09] property was gated from my
[39:10] position I observed another
[39:10] commercial vehicle in the
[39:16] property rear yard exhibits one
[39:17] through two MAY 5th 2026.
[39:18] A formal follow up inspection
[39:20] was performed to observe
[39:21] additional commercial vehicles
[39:21] on the property with
[39:24] accumulation of outdoor storage
[39:24] and debris.
[39:27] Courtesy notice was sent by
[39:28] usps regular first class
[39:28] mailing.
[39:29] Exhibits three through four MAY
[39:30] 11th, 2026 a courtesy notice
[39:34] was posted at the reference
[39:37] property violations remain on
[39:40] the property exhibit five I
[39:43] exhibit one at this time this
[39:44] was one vehicle and the rear
[39:50] side that vehicle to this day
[39:51] has remained in that position
[39:57] in that condition exhibit
[39:58] three.
[40:02] MAY 5th we see three commercial
[40:02] vehicles one obviously the
[40:05] drive the driveway is being
[40:08] utilized on the rear has a
[40:09] second vehicle which has been
[40:13] there since the time of this
[40:13] photo.
[40:14] So now we have two remaining
[40:17] commercial vehicles on the
[40:17] property at all times minus the
[40:20] one in the driveway.
[40:23] There's some accumulation
[40:24] beyond the carport area.
[40:28] There is some mangled metals,
[40:30] cinderblocks, tires just stays
[40:36] underneath the tree under
[40:37] exhibit five, not really good
[40:41] shot, but you still see the two
[40:41] vehicles there just pan off to
[40:44] the right side of the first
[40:44] vehicle.
[40:45] You'll see the the box of the
[40:47] other vehicle on JUNE 9th,
[40:47] 2026.
[40:48] >> a follow up inspection was
[40:51] performed verified violations
[40:51] remain on the property and also
[40:52] violation was sent by usps
[40:55] certified mailing with return
[40:55] receipt requested posted at the
[40:59] property in a city hall
[41:02] exhibits 6 to 7 JUNE 30th,
[41:02] 2026.
[41:03] A follow up inspection was
[41:03] performed to verify the
[41:05] violations remain on the
[41:08] property exhibits eight JULY
[41:09] 24th 2026 a notice of hearing
[41:12] was sent by usps certified
[41:12] malware return receipt
[41:13] requested posted at the
[41:14] property near city hall
[41:15] violation remains on the
[41:18] property exhibits nine through
[41:28] 13 exhibit six exhibit seven
[41:28] exhibit eight.
[41:31] Now we have a third vehicle
[41:32] panned off to the left hand
[41:36] side I believe I can't see from
[41:38] here but I believe this slide
[41:39] is from JUNE 3rd and this one
[41:42] is from JULY 24th.
[41:46] So that vehicle still remains
[41:49] it appears the debris have been
[41:49] either removed or relocated.
[41:53] There are some missing at the
[41:54] time from the first initial
[41:54] inspection, but the rest
[41:57] remains.
[42:01] I did notice some multiple or
[42:02] canisters or propane tanks.
[42:02] I can't tell exactly what they
[42:04] MAY be.
[42:05] They're off by the carport
[42:05] area.
[42:08] There's additional two right
[42:09] there, including that red one.
[42:12] The fence was observed after
[42:13] the fact so I did not cite them
[42:16] for that.
[42:17] But in the near future of that
[42:18] still remains that it's a whole
[42:20] different case right there.
[42:23] Notice of hearing and staff
[42:27] recommendation and staff
[42:27] recommends the code enforcement
[42:28] board find the property in
[42:31] violation of city ordinance 20
[42:33] dash 434 and city ordinance 13
[42:34] dash two b to be corrected in a
[42:35] property brought to compliance
[42:38] on or before SEPTEMBER 24th
[42:38] 2026 30 days and consider
[42:41] imposition of a daily fine of
[42:42] 250 per violation per day and
[42:45] then event the requirements of
[42:46] the order to have not been met
[42:47] by the date set for compliance
[42:50] by the code enforcement board.
[42:51] >> can you pull up the data for
[42:56] photos please?
[43:00] >> so this was taken this
[43:00] morning.
[43:07] The vehicle has to right there
[43:08] and those canisters or tanks
[43:14] are still there.
[43:20] So there
[43:21] they appear as they
[43:25] try to organize that space with
[43:25] the accumulation.
[43:27] But we still got car parts and
[43:32] other stuff there.
[43:35] Yard debris was noticed after
[43:35] the initial inspection, but
[43:37] that has been there for about I
[43:40] think 2 or 3 weeks now.
[43:41] >> now it's very hard to see
[43:44] what in between the building
[43:45] and the tree.
[43:46] I can't tell if that's a
[43:46] commercial vehicle or an
[43:49] enclosed trailer, but at the
[43:50] height of it I'm going to
[43:52] assume as a commercial vehicle
[43:53] it's right in that area where
[43:54] she's circling at.
[43:59] But again, I can only speculate
[44:04] and that's it.
[44:04] >> that concludes our
[44:05] presentation.
[44:05] Do you have any questions?
[44:08] What kind of dialog?
[44:09] >> I had one and it was a
[44:12] relative of the owner.
[44:13] >> it was a son who advised
[44:15] that they were away I believe
[44:16] was vacation.
[44:19] I'm not too sure they needed
[44:20] some time so they was given an
[44:23] extension and they said he was
[44:24] going to clear everything up.
[44:25] I did notify them about the
[44:27] commercial vehicles being a
[44:27] violation.
[44:28] I guess it was some sort of
[44:31] business that they had at one
[44:32] time or another.
[44:33] I'm not too sure they said he
[44:35] was taking they will take care
[44:35] of it.
[44:36] But obviously as of today is
[44:38] still has not been moved.
[44:39] So and that's the only
[44:42] communication I've had since
[44:43] because is that the property is
[44:46] occupied.
[44:47] Yeah.
[44:47] All right.
[44:47] Looks like it's occupied
[44:49] residentially not it's not a
[44:50] business they're running out of
[44:50] there.
[44:51] >> I have not seen any
[44:53] advertising as a business.
[44:57] I can only assume maybe
[44:57] delivery services or something.
[44:58] But that is being as a
[45:01] residential property for a
[45:02] living.
[45:04] >> okay.
[45:05] >> when did you talk with that
[45:05] relative?
[45:08] What?
[45:09] >> that was back in JUNE, if
[45:09] i'm not mistaken.
[45:12] I will have to look at my notes
[45:12] .
[45:13] >> okay.
[45:14] I think it was the beginning of
[45:16] the beginning or mid-JUNE and I
[45:17] think an extra 2 or 3 weeks was
[45:20] given to them.
[45:20] Okay.
[45:21] And that has not been no
[45:23] changes whatsoever from there.
[45:26] >> okay.
[45:30] Questions.
[45:34] No respondents here.
[45:35] Anything down from you folks as
[45:38] you guys can expect?
[45:39] Who's asking for respect?
[45:41] Is there a respondent present?
[45:48] >> not that I can tell from
[45:50] what I know.
[45:53] Question no questions.
[45:54] >> if somebody wants to present
[45:57] a motion I do have a question.
[45:57] I'm sorry.
[45:57] Go ahead.
[46:00] You said there were checks.
[46:01] >> I guess they are propane
[46:01] tanks.
[46:02] Okay.
[46:05] Yeah, I was so even know that
[46:06] right now I don't know exactly
[46:07] the use of I'm allowed to have
[46:08] them so that's consider outdoor
[46:09] storage is no different from a
[46:11] previous case we have one over
[46:12] now they're storing multiple.
[46:15] I don't know if that's
[46:16] pertaining to their business if
[46:19] they have a business but the
[46:20] first time I made observation
[46:22] on it I did not see one and
[46:23] then a second inspection I saw
[46:24] multiple so I don't exactly
[46:27] know the use for them.
[46:27] I don't know if it's personal.
[46:28] I don't know if it's commercial
[46:29] for the business.
[46:33] I don't know.
[46:34] Just out of curiosity, can you
[46:38] look up to see if there's a
[46:38] business permit for 530
[46:44] southwest road
[46:45] ?
[46:45] Unfortunately cannot because I
[46:46] don't have access to our
[46:46] business license.
[46:49] I don't have it off the civic
[46:49] portal.
[46:50] >> not on this computer,
[46:50] unfortunately.
[46:51] Okay.
[46:56] >> maybe your deputy chief
[46:56] presley might have that
[46:56] information if needed.
[47:03] >> he's about to walk in.
[47:06] And welcome to our city clerk.
[47:11] >> I'm sorry I did not hear the
[47:11] question.
[47:12] >> so the question was do you
[47:15] is there any way we know if
[47:16] there is a business permit are
[47:19] licensed at 530 south mass road
[47:23] so he's want to know if you
[47:23] have the ability go in and go
[47:24] can you go with this that
[47:29] donation in a btr yeah your
[47:32] yeah I apologize for the
[47:33] residential one that you can
[47:34] look up from this computer I
[47:36] only see permit so I apologize
[47:37] on that.
[47:37] >> apologize no.
[47:40] Where is to get you some kind
[47:41] of we need to get you
[47:41] connectivity to the city.
[47:48] >> yeah if you
[48:00] if the court
[48:00] doesn't mind.
[48:01] >> can I also ask a question of
[48:04] the city?
[48:05] >> so I just wanted to clarify
[48:08] about the commercial vehicles
[48:08] is the main issue that there's
[48:12] multiple on the property or are
[48:13] they do they fall into what are
[48:13] the categories that are like
[48:14] too large to be at a
[48:16] residential property?
[48:16] Both I think they're just
[48:17] storing multiple even having
[48:20] just one I think exceeds the
[48:20] size.
[48:21] >> gotcha.
[48:21] Okay.
[48:27] Thanks
[48:31] .
[48:35] In answer to for you, you did
[48:38] stated just that you you only
[48:38] had one conversation and that
[48:42] was not with the owner but with
[48:43] the owner's son.
[48:43] Correct.
[48:46] Okay.
[48:46] Okay.
[48:48] So okay.
[48:54] Thank you
[49:14] .
[49:15] >> any attempts to contact you
[49:19] the to clarify any of this if
[49:22] they have tried to reach out to
[49:22] me and leave a voicemail, then
[49:25] I would assume not only one
[49:26] time I had a conversation with
[49:26] them.
[49:27] Okay.
[49:29] Thank you.
[49:30] I do not see a vtr for that.
[49:31] Thank you.
[49:32] Thank you.
[49:39] Anything else
[49:41] you can keep it?
[49:41] Yeah.
[49:45] I'm trying to think of a time
[49:51] frame
[49:53] .
[49:54] There wasn't much
[49:54] communication.
[49:57] It's been since mid-JUNE and
[50:05] this is a new case
[50:07] .
[50:08] Correct.
[50:08] Off the couch?
[50:10] Yeah.
[50:11] I would still be in 30 days.
[50:14] Yeah, I would do.
[50:15] This is not a big deal.
[50:16] Yeah.
[50:16] All right.
[50:19] And his place, it's thought
[50:20] that would be something.
[50:20] yeah.
[50:26] Um, okay, so I move to find
[50:29] that the photographs and
[50:30] testimony from officer dafoe
[50:34] show there are in fact findings
[50:37] that the respondent at 530
[50:41] south morse road is in
[50:41] violation of winter springs
[50:45] city ordinance 20 dash four
[50:47] three subsection a six and
[50:51] winter springs city ordinance
[50:57] 13 dash two subsection be of
[50:58] the city code I move can you
[51:01] just restate the ordinance
[51:02] number for that first one the
[51:02] commercial vehicles.
[51:04] Yeah.
[51:04] Ordinance resetting winter
[51:08] springs city ordinance 20 dash
[51:11] 434 subsection a six.
[51:11] Correct.
[51:12] Yeah that's good.
[51:12] Okay.
[51:12] Yeah.
[51:15] Thank you.
[51:16] I move to order that the
[51:27] respondent be given until the
[51:28] SEPTEMBER 24th 2026 to correct
[51:32] the violation in the event that
[51:33] respondent fails to comply by
[51:36] this date a fine in the amount
[51:42] of $100 per day shall be
[51:46] imposed per violation until
[51:49] compliance is reported to and
[51:50] verified by city code
[51:57] enforcement 100 I would second
[51:57] that motion.
[51:58] Okay.
[52:01] Any discussion?
[52:01] Okay.
[52:04] Roll call.
[52:05] Chairperson gilday all right.
[52:09] Or member gallo I form keppra I
[52:09] for member of bear.
[52:09] All right.
[52:14] Board member krebbs okay.
[52:18] All right.
[52:22] Come.
[52:23] That brings us to the end of
[52:26] hearing some cases where there
[52:30] is there any other information
[52:30] detail questions, comments,
[52:31] concerns.
[52:31] Yes, sir.
[52:33] Go ahead.
[52:37] At the last two commission
[52:38] meetings there has been
[52:41] discussion about the
[52:42] appointment of a special
[52:45] magistrate to replace the code
[52:49] enforcement board at a cost to
[52:51] the city of approximately
[52:52] $10,000 per year.
[52:52] That was the amount that they
[52:55] claim to.
[52:59] We've been through this before
[53:02] during my tenure and personally
[53:06] and I'm not saying this because
[53:07] I'm a member of this code board
[53:10] and have been for a number of
[53:10] years.
[53:11] But I'm saying it because there
[53:14] is a tremendous difference
[53:16] between a special magistrate
[53:20] and a code board.
[53:21] This code board serves
[53:24] voluntarily and we've volunteer
[53:25] because we take pride in this
[53:28] community and we have a love
[53:29] for this city and we're not out
[53:32] to punish people.
[53:33] We're out to educate people and
[53:35] to help bring people back into
[53:36] compliance.
[53:36] There have been many, many
[53:40] times when people have come
[53:43] before this board with
[53:44] difficulties and we've given
[53:48] them extended opportunities to
[53:51] correct violations and we've
[53:52] bent over backwards and gone
[53:55] out of our way to help people
[53:59] at times there MAY seem to be
[54:02] disparities in how we assess
[54:07] fines and how we do things, but
[54:10] there is always thought and
[54:11] fortitude in our decision
[54:13] making.
[54:14] We take many, many we take
[54:17] multiple factors into
[54:20] consideration including
[54:21] cooperation with the code
[54:25] enforcement debater, including
[54:28] how people present themselves,
[54:29] including the attitude that
[54:32] they come to or that they don't
[54:32] even show up to the board.
[54:33] Correct.
[54:36] So all of these factors become
[54:41] part of how we assess fines.
[54:44] I don't know that any special
[54:44] magistrate would have the
[54:48] compassion that we do towards
[54:48] our fellow citizens.
[54:52] I don't know that they come to
[54:53] this with the same concern
[54:56] caring that we do.
[54:57] We come here as volunteers
[54:59] because we love the community.
[54:59] Special magistrate is getting
[55:03] paid to do a job and I know
[55:06] that there have been concerns
[55:10] that for for our personal
[55:14] safety that perhaps a
[55:14] respondent would try to
[55:18] retaliate and take action
[55:20] against us in the many, many
[55:21] years and I've been sitting on
[55:25] this board, I completed nine
[55:25] full years.
[55:29] I was off for a year and now
[55:29] I'm back on again.
[55:32] So in the 11 years that I've
[55:33] been sitting on this board, I
[55:35] have never once been threatened
[55:38] or felt intimidated by any
[55:39] respondent.
[55:43] So I think I, I really believe
[55:46] that this board should take a
[55:50] vote should take a vote and to
[55:51] stay in a stance to encourage
[55:54] the city to maintain the code
[55:57] enforcement board in lieu of a
[55:57] special magistrate.
[56:01] And I would make that a motion.
[56:05] It is if this board so desires
[56:05] .
[56:06] Let's do it as a motion and
[56:06] make it official.
[56:08] Yeah, but before we do that,
[56:12] before we do that, I would ask
[56:12] chief pressley what the
[56:19] department's viewpoint is.
[56:20] >> that's hard for them because
[56:23] it's going yeah, yeah, I have
[56:24] no I mean I obviously have an
[56:25] opinion but it's not my
[56:27] decision.
[56:28] This topic has come up in the
[56:31] past with most of the members
[56:32] on this board.
[56:34] You know when there were rumors
[56:35] or discussions about going to a
[56:38] special magistrate.
[56:39] Safety is a concern.
[56:43] I mean, I'm a police officer
[56:43] and a police officer for almost
[56:43] 31 years.
[56:46] There's cases around the
[56:47] country where, you know, board
[56:50] members of all different types
[56:51] of boards have been hurt and
[56:54] and you know, I don't think me
[56:57] personally it's not an issue of
[56:57] any unfairness.
[57:01] There's some potential
[57:02] efficiency things that might
[57:05] make it a little more efficient
[57:06] if it's during business hours
[57:08] for city staff.
[57:09] You know, that's kind of my
[57:09] take on it.
[57:12] But ultimately at the end of
[57:13] the day it's not my decision.
[57:14] You know, it's the
[57:16] commissioner's decision.
[57:17] So we we we and I appreciate
[57:18] your opinion.
[57:21] I mean, I, I really do and I
[57:21] thank you for it.
[57:25] I thank you also for all the
[57:25] hard work that you do on your
[57:26] behalf.
[57:26] >> sure.
[57:28] And we'll continue to do that
[57:31] regardless of, you know and you
[57:32] know, you talk about being
[57:35] compassionate and I mean, I
[57:40] can't express enough of what my
[57:44] staff does before it even gets
[57:44] here today.
[57:47] I mean, there's so many chances
[57:47] .
[57:48] We're so accommodating and
[57:52] obviously regardless of the
[57:52] outcome, we'll continue to do
[57:56] that for sure.
[57:56] >> absolutely.
[57:57] We we know we know that even in
[58:00] law enforcement, the chief's
[58:02] position has always been I'm
[58:03] not here to punish.
[58:03] I'm here to educate.
[58:04] Sure, it's the same thing with
[58:07] the traffic stop.
[58:07] Somebody gets stopped.
[58:08] It's not to punish them.
[58:11] It's to educate them as to what
[58:11] goes on.
[58:12] Sometimes if fine is necessary,
[58:15] sure.
[58:15] But I don't know that the
[58:19] special magistrate would would
[58:19] come with the same kinds of
[58:20] concerns.
[58:22] So you know, if I would make a
[58:23] motion that this board
[58:26] officially request from the
[58:29] city commission that we
[58:30] continue as a board and that
[58:34] any ideas of a special
[58:34] magistrate be dropped.
[58:36] I was second that.
[58:36] All right.
[58:40] A discussion discussion,
[58:40] please.
[58:44] I, I, I totally agree with you.
[58:45] But I think when you send that
[58:45] to a commission, you need to
[58:48] send the reasons why we believe
[58:48] that.
[58:51] I mean, you know, you can sit
[58:52] up here with a robot and say I
[58:55] and that's what you're going to
[58:55] get.
[58:56] You know, here you get people
[58:59] who listen to whatever is
[58:59] happening even in someone's
[59:02] life.
[59:02] I mean, you know, there's a lot
[59:06] of different things and
[59:06] sometimes and we've even had
[59:07] people who are in the process
[59:10] of of reaching compliance but
[59:11] they're not there yet when they
[59:13] come here.
[59:14] I mean, what do you do?
[59:17] You say, well, you know, so I
[59:21] yeah, I think we should have a
[59:21] explanation and there yeah as
[59:25] well I, I agree with
[59:25] commissioner krebs.
[59:29] I and I, I think I'm speaking
[59:29] for myself.
[59:33] I would be very comfortable
[59:34] with rabbi caprio speaking to
[59:37] the commission and giving them
[59:38] the results of our vote because
[59:40] everything you said I totally
[59:41] agree with and I couldn't say
[59:44] it any better than what you
[59:44] just said yourself.
[59:45] That's true.
[59:48] So that would that would be my
[59:48] request.
[59:51] I agree and I will happily do
[59:51] that.
[59:55] In fact, public performances
[59:55] for public disclosure.
[59:56] I have a meeting with the city
[59:59] manager tomorrow morning and
[59:59] discuss this very topic.
[1:00:00] Okay, good.
[1:00:03] Thank I am this issue reared
[1:00:07] its head a few times and I know
[1:00:10] the last time it was driven
[1:00:11] specifically by one of the
[1:00:13] commissioners I don't know if
[1:00:14] more have gotten hold or
[1:00:17] whatnot, but um, I, I concur
[1:00:20] with the reasons that you have
[1:00:21] stated here and that that's I
[1:00:25] think the crux of why I feel I
[1:00:28] mean the way I do it's quite
[1:00:32] frankly if we're going to have
[1:00:33] the cases that people are just
[1:00:37] going to blow it off and
[1:00:37] totally get a wake up call, you
[1:00:40] know what?
[1:00:41] Maybe maybe it's your team or
[1:00:43] you talking to them and
[1:00:44] sometimes they end up here
[1:00:45] because they want to listen to
[1:00:48] that and just get in here is
[1:00:48] like I MISS A lot of money.
[1:00:51] Maybe I better get going.
[1:00:52] Sometimes the ones that don't
[1:00:54] show up, it's going to take
[1:00:55] take the fine to get going.
[1:00:59] Yeah, but there's an awful lot
[1:01:00] of folks that do come here that
[1:01:03] yes, that I think it's not that
[1:01:04] they're trying to get away with
[1:01:06] something.
[1:01:07] I'm trying to blow both of you
[1:01:07] guys off.
[1:01:10] How many how many cases just on
[1:01:10] insurance alone have we heard
[1:01:11] over the years?
[1:01:13] Sure.
[1:01:17] I mean you pick a reason we we
[1:01:18] we we seem to have heard it and
[1:01:21] I think you're going to MISS A
[1:01:22] lot of that where compassion
[1:01:24] does have a role that's going
[1:01:25] to be out the window with the
[1:01:25] magistrate.
[1:01:29] But I remember the one lady
[1:01:33] that we had the elderly woman
[1:01:33] that I mean, she ran out of
[1:01:33] money.
[1:01:36] Yes.
[1:01:37] Probably living off the social
[1:01:39] security and she just asked can
[1:01:40] I just, you know, wait till I
[1:01:43] get my money here to finish
[1:01:44] what she had?
[1:01:44] I mean, what how would a
[1:01:45] magistrate treat that?
[1:01:48] I don't know.
[1:01:51] >> we do have a motion in a
[1:01:51] second on the facts, right?
[1:01:52] Yeah.
[1:01:53] If didn't mean to do an
[1:01:54] official vote and my
[1:01:55] understanding is that the
[1:01:55] motion is to request the
[1:01:59] commission to consider keeping
[1:01:59] the board as a code board and
[1:02:00] not a special magistrate.
[1:02:03] >> correct?
[1:02:03] >> correct.
[1:02:03] Okay.
[1:02:04] So okay with me doing a vote
[1:02:06] now, are you with one more
[1:02:07] thing is that the we the motion
[1:02:10] is to have rabbi capra take
[1:02:14] that personally to the
[1:02:14] commission.
[1:02:14] Okay.
[1:02:15] And then the city manager.
[1:02:18] Yeah.
[1:02:18] >> representing our the board
[1:02:18] here.
[1:02:19] Okay.
[1:02:22] So you want me to include as
[1:02:23] for morris carper to be
[1:02:25] representative of the boards
[1:02:25] voice sort of situation.
[1:02:26] >> okay.
[1:02:29] If I can add that onto that.
[1:02:30] >> well yeah, that would be my
[1:02:30] I guess my additions to my
[1:02:33] amendment here.
[1:02:33] >> that's what I'll do as an
[1:02:37] official role call for the
[1:02:37] record, please.
[1:02:37] Please.
[1:02:41] Chairperson gill do I or I
[1:02:41] gallo I remember keppra a board
[1:02:44] member ober all right.
[1:02:45] >> more member reps by
[1:02:47] unanimous.
[1:02:48] Okay.
[1:02:48] Okay.
[1:02:50] One more piece of business.
[1:02:54] Go ahead, please.
[1:02:54] >> she personally while you're
[1:02:57] there, I understand you might
[1:03:01] be getting close to retirement
[1:03:05] and I just wanted to personally
[1:03:08] say thank you for your 30 plus
[1:03:08] years of service to the
[1:03:09] community.
[1:03:12] Every time I see you or hear
[1:03:13] you, I learn something new.
[1:03:16] You're you're fair.
[1:03:20] You are everything I would want
[1:03:20] a law enforcement officer to
[1:03:20] be.
[1:03:24] so I just want to say thank you
[1:03:24] and thank you to your wonderful
[1:03:25] staff.
[1:03:28] There are some and you will be
[1:03:28] truly missed.
[1:03:31] Thank you, art.
[1:03:31] Not yet.
[1:03:35] It's not a rumor.
[1:03:36] I will be retiring mid OCTOBER
[1:03:39] after almost 31 years with the
[1:03:39] winter springs police
[1:03:40] department.
[1:03:43] My wife and I are very excited
[1:03:44] about that and thank you very
[1:03:46] much for those very kind words
[1:03:46] and I really appreciate it and
[1:03:47] I appreciate all the support
[1:03:50] not just to you but all the
[1:03:51] members through the years that
[1:03:54] are on this board that have
[1:03:54] supported the police
[1:03:55] department.
[1:03:55] Can't do it without you guys.
[1:03:58] Well, mid-OCTOBER 3032 that
[1:03:58] I'll be here.
[1:04:04] >> yeah, you sound like my boss
[1:04:04] .
[1:04:06] Okay.
[1:04:10] Thank you.
[1:04:11] We don't need a roll call.
[1:04:11] Your your awesome.
[1:04:12] Yeah.
[1:04:14] So okay, so anything else?
[1:04:15] I'm sorry.
[1:04:18] Yeah.
[1:04:18] Okay.
[1:04:21] And I will say that to our new
[1:04:21] city clerk.
[1:04:26] I we had to send the people
[1:04:26] home tonight.
[1:04:29] So aaron, I had several dancers
[1:04:32] and people come in and get
[1:04:33] ready, so we'll try to see if
[1:04:34] we can get them back next time.
[1:04:36] But but welcome aboard.
[1:04:39] And we're happy to be working
[1:04:39] with you.
[1:04:40] >> I do have one more thing to
[1:04:43] go ahead, please.
[1:04:44] For those of you who are not
[1:04:47] aware a icon in the city has
[1:04:50] passed and that would be susie
[1:04:50] coffman.
[1:04:51] >> can I can I ask you to
[1:04:52] repeat that?
[1:04:55] I didn't hear you and I said an
[1:04:55] icon of the city past.
[1:04:58] Okay.
[1:04:58] Susie coffman.
[1:04:59] Okay.
[1:05:05] And she actually began the the
[1:05:06] the senior center that building
[1:05:09] was just last year named after
[1:05:10] her.
[1:05:13] There's a room in there.
[1:05:16] Her husband was very active
[1:05:16] also.
[1:05:21] And so we we really lost a
[1:05:21] legend in a place.
[1:05:22] And for those who don't know
[1:05:24] dolly parton died.
[1:05:29] Yeah she did and anything else
[1:05:33] now that's okay note to end on
[1:05:35] an all right this regular code
[1:05:36] enforcement meeting board
[1:05:39] meeting is now adjourned.
[1:05:40] Thank you.
[1:05:46] Thanks all