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One nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.

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» Okay. Welcome everybody to our July 20th
meeting. Council meeting. Oh,

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» roll call.
>> Roll call. Council member Greyber

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absent. Council member Gens
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» Council member Ger
>> here. Council member Sarah

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» here.
>> Council member Hos

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» here.
>> Mayor Kelsey is absent and I am present.

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» Present. Thank you.
>> Anything you can report for the chief

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then?
>> No sir. Just sitting in for him.

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» Sitting in and keeping guard.
>> Okay.

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» How about superintendent?
>> Again, you got an update. They're

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supposed to start working on I think
pouring concrete tomorrow in Burnwood

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area.
>> Mhm. Um, that's supposed to start on the

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22nd, which is tomorrow. So, they're on
schedule. Stay on schedule that start

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tomorrow.
>> 22nd Wednesday.

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» Oh, Wednesday. Sorry. Wednesday. My bad.
Wednesday. [laughter]

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» Supposed to rain tonight.
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that. I've seen the machine was in there
today, too. So,

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» okay.
>> And then I did move a couple of the

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sensor nodes. Dean see me moving them
tonight. I can't There's a leak on Carl.

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I can't pinpoint it. So, I put more of
my little nodes out through there.

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Hopefully, I can find out where it's at.
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» And then I did finish the water audit.
So Kevin, I'll send that over to you as

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soon as I send it in. So
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easement and swale was kind of messed
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» That's all. We should get down there and
get that. Yeah, I have not made it down

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there yet, but yeah.
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» It's perfect timing. It's all nice and
everything's dried and dried out. So

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yeah,
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too. So have more water shed issues.
>> More more Yeah. low spots and high spots

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again.
>> Yeah.

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» So, we might want to think about what to
do with that here in the future

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as far as ordinances or or something.
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» we have a couple of them going up, but
they're pretty good size.

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» Yeah.
>> Looks like one bull rap is going to be

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pretty big, too.
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year, too, that was put up. So, the
water's got to go somewhere. And we're

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in poorly drained clay soil here. So
anything else for the superintendent?

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Anybody?
Okay. Thank you. Okay. Mr. Clerk,

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treasure
previous minutes.

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» Anybody look at the minutes?
>> I move to approve.

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» Second. You have a hand.
>> You abstain?

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» Yep.
>> Are you going to second?

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» You second, but I second.
>> No, I was asking for a second.

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» Okay.
>> Okay. All who approve say I raise your

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right hand.
>> I

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» I
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approved. Okay. Let's go to accounts
payable

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accounts

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if you want to sign those warrants over
$500 excluding any payroll items. Boy

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form systems for $557.70.
Carson LLP for $2,940.

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Chemical services for $3,64.20.
Christine Keenir for $2,500. Civic Plus

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for $453.15.

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CNI Fiber for $971.60.

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Uh Elon Financial Services for $55018.
Force Technology for $2,591.85.

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Indiana Michigan Power for $3,31741.

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Uh Indiana Underground um that's
Indiana811 for $55955.

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Mike Tracy for $869.52.

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TNC concrete for $2,400.

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Wayne Asphalt for $89,42464.

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Wex Bank for $1,224.38.

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Wildman Uniforms for $693.98.
WM Court for $16,35.58.

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and Woodburn Hardware for $1,29820.

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» You can see just added a couple of line
items there together. So,

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» it does that. This is a summary. This is
the report. So, this gives you

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everything. This is the summary of that.
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» I I need a reminder on some of these
expenses. What they are exactly or what

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they were for.
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» Um Carson L.
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the services in June for getting the um
ordinance stuff set up with the

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county court

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» and
let me see here

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» what is this big one down here
89,000 where's that asphalt being put at

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» that is for the um CCMG project in
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» that's for their their contract for the
stone stone and tearing out the stone

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and
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» 80% of that. Yep.
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report there, it's split up on their
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state. The state gives us the money,
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clear, you know, when you see that big
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[clears throat]
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actually fills the engineer. The
engineer looks over everything and then

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the engineer once they look over
everything, confirm everything, then

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they send it to us and then we pay it.
So I actually don't receive the invoices

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from Wayne Asphalt. We actually get them
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thing I was wondering about.
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» Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, I move to
approve. and a second.

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» Okay, we have a motion and a second. All
who approve, raise your hand, right hand

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say I.
>> Oppose the same. The motion passes.

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Uh I will give an update on that about
the vi the uh ordinance with the court.

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We did me and Terry Brad uh met with our
attorney and we met with the magistrates

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at Allen County Superior Court.
We gave them the list of items that we

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want to enforce to be able to uh for the
officers to be able to write tickets

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for. They are in full cooperation. They
going to work with us to set that up so

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we can uh write tickets and they will be
able to pay the fines at if there's a

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fine associated with the violation with
the ordinance. they can go up there and

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they can pay it or they can attend their
court date if they will would like to

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contest it and if there is no fine
associated which there shouldn't be any

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um then they've attend the court and
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[snorts] So that is moving forward. We
have to get some of the ordinances in

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line. We have to update some of them to
get them maybe to get the fines updated

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or certain sections fixed. that way we
can um when they when Brad writes when

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the police write the tickets that they
can cite the correct ordinances but it's

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moving in the right direction so
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» pretty soon pretty soon
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» okay
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» approved we're working towards it and so
we'll have some amendments for

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ordinances coming up soon that we
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way when We input them. We can actually
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» Okay.
>> So, yeah.

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» Okay.
>> That is coming though.

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» Okay.
>> Mayor's not here, so we'll bypass that

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report.
>> Dean, anything you got?

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» Nothing.
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Vicki,
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a citizen here in town who was wondering
why the [clears throat] flags are still

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up on 101 out here.
What's that? Are they Can they [snorts]

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take them out? They said they've been
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» What flags?
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» they can't take them out.
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» Well,
>> what if they've been run over by

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lawnmark?
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» So, when's that work going to be done?
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» that $500 that you guys paid to UPS for
the last 3 months, that's how many

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that's half the locate number that's
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» you pay 99 cents a piece for those.
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» Yeah. 595. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, I mean that's telling how many

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are coming in. So,
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the flag?
>> It's illegal to remove those flags.

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» Illegal.
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flags.
>> What flags?

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» All locate. All locate flags. It is
illegal to remove those flags. Yes.

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» What happened?
>> I I understand. I understand people's

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frustration.
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back out and put them back in. They get
called back in. Every 18 days they call

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them back in. If my flags are gone, I
got to go back out, put them back in.

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» I'm sorry.
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whole city has been located.
>> Yeah. Every month the whole city gets

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located for the most part. So, it's not
just me. The gas company's doing it. The

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fiber.
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» Metal link frontier. It's for all of
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» Okay.
>> Everything that comes in. Yeah.

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» Yeah. And the more people that get
installed with the more people those

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that was for the mainline fiber. Now
once more people start getting

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installed, they're going to be calling
in on each individual house to be able

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to put the drops in as well.
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» So metal the metal link still is it or
CI fiber or whatever it is. Yeah. They

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still have the main drag to do and park
lane and 101 here to do and they're

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still over in addition over there. So
they called in these last week again and

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the flags are pulled. They go back in.
>> What are people supposed to do when

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they're mowing?
>> Around them.

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» I get their frustration.
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that
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internet. People want better internet.
People want competition. You get mad at

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Comcast. Now you have before
>> you were stronghold. can't go anywhere

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else. And now you have two more options
to be able to go to.

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» So competition's good. It's a growing
part of the city. I mean, there's

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» you mow around it.
>> The big the biggest problem is if those

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locates aren't called in and those guys
hit something.

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» Yeah.
>> They're responsible for that.

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» Yeah.
>> And if you hit a gas or something that's

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major,
>> trust me, it's a nightmare when it these

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guys are paying thousands and thousands
of dollars in fines and they get a it's

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a small gas service line. It cost me
about $10,000.

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» You get to mow less. [laughter]
>> I'm going to locate my whole yard.

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» Well, yeah. Then he goes around puts
signs in you.

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» Well, [laughter] me I get my sign. I get
people's frustrations and [laughter]

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» I'm just asking.
>> They told me another month they'd be out

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here, but I'm not holding my breath. So,
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» So, we're talking September, October,
November.

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» And And it's not it's not just them.
It's because you had Frontier come in

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first
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afterwards. So, there's two crews that
came in that basically are doing the

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same thing in the same area.
>> You know, if it's like right here, I'll

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pull it out,
>> throw it over there,

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» that's that's for all the main, too. And
every house that gets a drop put in,

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every house that gets a service line put
in, cuz each house is an individual line

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that gets hooked up and those all have
to get located in as well. So, every

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house that calls in for service and
signs up will also be getting a locate.

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Okay.
>> Be called in.

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» Okay.
So if flags if the flags are put back

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then they do they should not be touching
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» Nope.
>> They should not be touching them.

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Correct.
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» Even if they think the crews came
through there and done their stuff,

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» leave them. Don't leave them.
>> Really?

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» Yeah.
>> Because it may not have been that crew

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that called in a different that locate
on that property.

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» Could have been a different could have
been two locates called in the same

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property.
>> What caller?

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» What?
>> A caller. Are you done?

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» I think your guys' streets pretty much
done for the

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» Yeah, we're done.
>> We're talking about 101.

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» We're still fighting with them.
>> We're still fighting with them.

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» Yeah. 101's not done at all. 101's
>> Yeah. Okay. Well,

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» I see why the flags were mowed over.
Gone that just put down of last week.

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[clears throat] They're gone already.
Reality of progress, right?

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» Anything else you got or
>> looks like there's some improvements

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[clears throat] that's going on in those
apartments. Uh Lynwood.

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» Yeah. did some painting or something.
>> Well, they did Well, they did see that.

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I mean, it's all concrete in there, but
they're also painting. It's

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» been months.
>> Yeah. So, they're making some

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improvements, which is nice to see.
>> Um I was just by there today. Um other

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than that, I'm good.
>> Good. Skyler, I got a few things. First

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related to the internet conversation is
there, you know, seeing that CNI fiber

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bill every month reminds me, do we have
a timeline of when they'll be able to

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get service here? When Lakeland will
have service here?

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» Not heard.
>> I've not heard either.

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» Yeah. Yeah. I haven't heard for several
months. So,

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» okay. [snorts] It looked like I mean,
they have the box, they have the cabinet

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over there set up on the space. So, I'm
assuming soon,

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but I we don't have a date in schedule.
>> Okay. [snorts] Last session, we agreed

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to execute an agreement with Metal
League pending their agreement to it.

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How did that end up?
>> Uh yeah.

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» Yeah, he did email me back after
uh after that meeting. I had emailed him

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and told him that you guys had agreed if
they agree [sighs and gasps]

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and he
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I know it came down to it at the end. He
said, "Okay, I want to look over it

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again." So
>> So it's not finally out there though.

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» He did not agree to it. I did tell them
I had to send them certified mail the uh

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termination letter that way it was
official.

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Um they he he was very he was curious
about the water tower and the design of

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the water tower to make sure that it
would be a design that he would be able

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to put his equipment onto which is
reasonable. He wants to know once the

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new one's up, can you put his stuff on
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» Um we had gotten a hold of the engineer.
Engineer assured us it's going to be the

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same style so he would be able to do
that. um but with no I told him that we

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didn't have any like plans or anything
drawn up yet that it's still far enough

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out in the future that we don't [snorts]
have that yet and but he assured me that

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the new tile was the same style and
there'd be no issues accommodating the

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equipment and he said okay thanks for
the feedback let me read the agree

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amendment again and get back to you that
was Thursday July 9th but I did send

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last week I did send the terminate the
termination letter certified in the mail

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know the clock is ticking on that. So,
they have a year. It's not like it's

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» next week or anything, but
lets them know we're serious about it.

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» All right. Thanks for that, Kevin. Uh
then next on my list is a Lifewise

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update. We had Jake in here last uh last
session. We tabled that conversation.

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» You want me to talk about or you want to
talk? Yeah, you go ahead.

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Well, you know, that opened up and there
was a couple of hang-ups. One is to put

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a bridge through the swale or through
the water retention pond. They they

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talked to the principal of Woodland
apparently.

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» Okay.
>> Cool. And he said, "Oh yeah, go ahead."

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But nobody got the approval through the
superintendent of the of the buildings,

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the East Hen. So when he found out about
it, he kind of put the kibash on that.

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So that was an issue. The second issue
is I asked him I said do you have a

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contract and they said oh yeah we got a
contract and they found the contract.

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There's no signatures on it.
>> Wow.

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» So
>> contract with the city

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» with the city police. I mean the details
were apparently in it but they there

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weren't signed.
>> So now this is null and void. Huh?

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» In essence that's what's going to
happen. So, um, then of course, you

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know, you got the outside influence
putting their pressure on and stuff,

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contacting the East Talent Schools,
contacting Kevin and trying to get

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reports and stuff. So, Lifewise decided
to go ahead and just uh forego the

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thing,
>> wash their hands.

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» Yeah. Or abort the whole contract, if I
can use that term.

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» What about the slab of cement that
>> they're going to pay to rip all that out

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and make it like it was?
>> Oh, so

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» Wow.
>> And some of those those are pods, little

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pillar pods. are about 3 ft deep things
of concrete like that. So,

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» so I guess it's Nolan Boyd and they're
going to go back to the church that they

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were in before, which is probably just
as good. So,

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» okay.
>> It's worth noting the city never funded

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this project. The city never put any
money towards it

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» and they were not building on city
property. The city was leasing

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Lifewise Academy
the property for money. It was not a

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free lease and the city never funded the
project. So

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» no public funds were ever [snorts] given
to Linewise.

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» So just a lot of you know things that
fell short. So like they're kind of

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embarrassed. So
>> anyway, it's done and we can move on to

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better things. So
>> Right. Right. Okay. Um,

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» I was was told not to let them back on
property language decided do who's when

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they come in to remove stuff.
>> Let them in for that.

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» I really need to get that porter down
out there. The inspector didn't like

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that.
>> Okay. [laughter]

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» Yeah. If they come in to remove stuff,
you might ask them then.

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» Okay.
>> Yeah.

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» Cuz the gate the gates always closed. I
didn't know who was coming.

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» We have to get scheduled with you to get
that stuff out of there. So,

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» yeah.
>> Someone I I don't have any contact over

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Terry. I know we've been in contact with
them. Would you call them and let them

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know to come get the portagon?
>> Well, after this week, I'll be gone till

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August 11th. So,
>> well, we can at least get the portage on

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out of there.
>> Yeah.

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» Soon. One of you guys can let them in to
do that and then we can they can

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schedule when you get back to get the
concrete out.

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» I know.
>> Is that all right?

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» Go back to school at 12.
>> Yeah.

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» Okay.
>> Don't come back on.

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» Is that Is that why? Let's have them get
that little potty out of there cuz I'm

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sure it hasn't surfaced yet. It's going
to be Adam's going to rip out the pods.

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So,
>> okay.

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» Okay. Is that it or
>> No, not yet. [laughter]

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» Not yet.
>> Uh Homestead Place, my lovely community,

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had their first HOA meeting for a number
of years.

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» Mhm.
>> And a couple things came up that sounded

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like they might be city related. Uh
people were talking about the MIJ flies

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which I have experienced. There's
[clears throat] a large population of

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those
>> again.

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» Uh yeah, always every year.
>> I thought those were taken care of.

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» And we treated we treated our ponds
already for them. So

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» okay, that was the question if there was
anything the city needed to do on their

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properties for them.
>> No, it's usually it's usually your guys

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are swell and pond. They're not causing
the problem.

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» Yeah. [snorts]
>> So, okay. And then the street lights

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came up. It was reported that three of
the street lights are owned by the HOA

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and the rest are owned by the city. It
was the first three, the original three

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that are owned by the HOA.
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one of the lights that I was under the
impression is owned by the city has a

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light out. So I felt it prudent to
report that it was harvest and legacy. I

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don't think the city owns any of those
lights in there.

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Those are all
>> I'll follow up with our new officers and

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let them know
>> they're listening.

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» Yeah. I don't I don't think any of them
in there are are the city's lights.

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» Okay. So, nobody spoke to you about
>> No. No. Yeah.

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» Um Dan brought it up several meetings
back, a bunch of meetings back several

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months ago about that being theirs and
what the other additions were doing. If

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we were taking those, could we take all
them, too? To my knowledge, we don't own

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any of the lights in the additions
because they're not city city street

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lights. Now, we might pay a bill on them
for the electric. On that part, I don't

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know. Well, I think Dan's request is
more about decorations, right? Putting

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decorations up out on the light poles.
>> The light poles that are in those

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additions are not your guys' normal
light poles are just small little bases

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that are in there that the developer
puts in

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and then typically the association takes
care of them if they get hit by cars and

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stuff because you guys don't you guys
don't carry them around [snorts] and

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they're not your style style poles.
The only light poles you guys own are

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the ones down Main Street.
>> Yeah, that's right.

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» Everything else is AP,
the [snorts] power companies. But to my

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knowledge, so not saying that's correct,
but I'll follow up with my

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» communities officers and I'll have them
reach out to clarify.

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Then I had a couple Facebook discussions
the last couple weeks,

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some conversation about water rates. So,
I tried to correct some misinformation

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that was being spread, pointed them to
the city's website to our last uh

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adopted ordinances regarding the water
and sewer rates so that everybody's

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aware of those. Some again uh comments
and misinformation around water sourcing

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and quality. pointed them to the city
websites and resources that are

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available for that and informed them
about our recent public hearing and uh

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meeting discussion on the [snorts]
preliminary engineering design uh from

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for the water works improvements
>> including filtration and softening

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» including that. Yes, that came up
specifically.

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» And Joe was down, we were downtown last
week and talked to the commissioners

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about getting funding for some of that
and using our tiff for some of that.

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» Yeah.
>> Water tower and and repairing lines and

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getting a filtration system in. City
does need a filtration system.

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» Yeah.
>> No, we have a filtration. We need a soft

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system.
>> Right.

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» We do have filtration. We don't have
softing. Well, filtration is is sand

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filter. So, I mean, it doesn't remove
magnesium and your calcium, which is

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isn't solution in the water. Won't
remove that, but softening will.

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» They're looking at a reverse osmosis.
>> Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, something along

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those lines. Yeah,
>> but we have we already have a filter to

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remove iron from the water. So, the only
only chemical we add is chlorine. So, we

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add nothing else to the water.
>> Okay. Are we going to get a softener

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softening? in the phase one.
>> It's it's in it's in that uh SRF loan

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we're going for engineering report. Yes,
there'll be softing in the system. Yes.

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» The whole project's about 10 million.
>> About 1.7's a filtration softening.

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» Right.
>> So, we got to find some grants. We don't

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want to raise everybody's water bill for
that.

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» Right. Right.
>> Okay.

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» And the last Facebook conversation was
around the splash pad that seems to come

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up every year when it gets hot. people
wondering [cough and clears throat] why

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we had. So reiterated
>> um that none of the donations ever went

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through the city or anything. That was
through found out the Woodburn Community

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Association.
>> I did a quick little search on who were

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the officers of that. Provided some
names on Facebook if people want to hold

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them accountable. And so those contacts
are there. Isn't [snorts] the It wasn't

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the trustee.
>> These the park is owned by the township,

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but the donations went through the
Woodburn Community Association.

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» Okay. Well, who was in charge of that?
>> Uh

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I don't know if there's a problem with
me naming her.

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It was
>> I would if I could name

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it. Yeah.
>> Okay. The last known officer was

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Jennifer Grunno as the president of that
Woodburn committee.

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» Didn't we look into this though last
year?

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» Well, she never showed up. She's
supposed to come.

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» She was supposed to show up and she
never did.

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» That's what I thought.
>> You look into it every year.

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» But we got money. They got They have
money parked in there. People probably

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do.
>> We should be doing something with that

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money. So, how should one of us clean up
the park?

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» You guys can't do anything with that
money.

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» City can. [clears throat]
>> It's not It's not the city's money at

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all. big part of the conversation. We
don't have any responsibility with the

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money. If the citizens want something
done with it, they need to contact the

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community association leaders and then
they need to put pressure on the

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township to say, "Hey, we've got this
money. Here's what we want to do with it

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and work something out."
>> Is that a 501c3, Jeff?

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» Yes,
>> it was. That was revoked.

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» Oh, it was.
>> Yes. because they don't have any

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officers and they haven't filed a tax
return.

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» At least 10 years.
>> How many years ago?

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» 10 years ago.
>> You said 10 years.

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» No, it has been that long ago.
>> It hasn't been that long ago.

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» About six four to six years ago.
>> Yeah, cuz Lori Shine and I

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» I believe 2021 was the last published
tax return. [clears throat]

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» Yeah.
>> So, should people just refer to this

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Jennifer then?
>> Absolutely.

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» I think they ought to let
>> accountability reach out to Jennifer.

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» Yeah. Well, it's important to know that
this the city does not have that money.

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They do not have control of it. They
don't have access to it. They don't

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know. We don't know the amount or where
it's held. No one on this board

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» knows that information.
>> The council, the mayor, none of us said

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no, you can't do it. We said we're not
the ones responsible for whether it

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happens or not.
>> Approval permission.

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» The only thing you can do.
>> Yeah. We have no decision making where

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that money
>> food

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» goes to
where that money goes to. No one up here

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has control of it. Even if everybody in
here wanted to say, "Okay, let's do a

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splash pad or let's let's give it to we
have no power to do that,

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» right?"
>> And since it was a 501c3, that's public

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information and give them her name,
>> right?

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» So that's all we do.
>> They're angels.

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» They both live out,
>> right? And then uh the last thing I see

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Jeff is here. I had township city reorg
uh as something I wanted to follow up

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on, but you can pin that
>> I think.

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» Okay.
Okay. Mayor's not here. We went through

420
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:16,799
the members. Before we get to the public
comments, we got a couple of special

421
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:20,454
guests. Um Francis, any anything in your
world there? [laughter]

422
00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:27,200
» No, I'll talk about it afterwards. I
need to talk to Ryan about some stuff

423
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,120
» just individually.
>> Yeah.

424
00:28:27,679 --> 00:28:32,399
» It's nothing public for us.
>> No, not really.

425
00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:35,039
» Okay, Jeff.
>> Can I defer?

426
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,360
» Want to defer?
>> Yeah. I'll just let everybody else that

427
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,480
way.
>> Okay.

428
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,279
» If you want,
>> Mrs. Sherwood.

429
00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:44,080
» Oh, I'll just wait until after.
>> Oh, come on.

430
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,520
» Ladies first.
>> First.

431
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,880
» I think there's other people, aren't
there?

432
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:53,679
» You want to be last? You're saying?
>> Sure. I usually am.

433
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:59,200
» Okay. [clears throat] State your name.
I'm just here to observe and comment

434
00:28:56,399 --> 00:29:02,159
should I need to.
>> Anybody else want to speak?

435
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,480
» Not me.
>> I just I wanted to check who's taking

436
00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:11,360
down the elevator or or is somebody
taking down the elevator?

437
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:16,960
» Egg Plus sold the metal bins
is what they've done. So a company and a

438
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:22,080
farmer are taking them down
>> and then the the rest of the property

439
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:27,039
has been sold, the buildings and the
whatever the land.

440
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:31,679
» Yeah. So those are all going to be up
the cement.

441
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:34,399
» Yeah, the cement ones are
>> okay.

442
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:38,159
» They are going to be taken down.
>> Not to my knowledge.

443
00:29:36,159 --> 00:29:43,600
» An Amish man bought it and it's going to
be kind of a lumber transfer type

444
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:49,840
station. Not really a lumber yard, but
you know, warehouse storage. So, they

445
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:53,200
want to use the side tracks.
>> Last I knew, there was an accepted

446
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:58,919
offer, but it's that was in January and
has not been closed yet, but So,

447
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:08,399
» okay. Who's going last? Our next
call. Doesn't

448
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,480
» matter.
>> Go ahead. Letter go. Um, I guess we can

449
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:14,960
start with the three minute time frame.
I allowed it for the last couple

450
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,720
meetings,
>> but the three minute time frame has to

451
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:22,080
be for every single person in the
meeting or it's not legal. I think that

452
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:24,240
was said to me the second meeting I was
here that they were going to check into

453
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,279
because it's not legal.
>> I'll handle that. Go ahead.

454
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:33,039
» Um,
Vicki was encouraging me last meeting to

455
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:36,240
accept an apology from somebody that I
did not feel it was sincere because he

456
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:40,000
still wasn't admitting to his words that
he actually said. And I wanted to put it

457
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:43,520
in context that she might understand. If
I come in here tomorrow and there's a

458
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:47,600
young lady working inside that office
and I go in there and I stand above her

459
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:50,720
and I start screaming and yelling, "I'm
pretty sure the cops are going to show

460
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:56,000
up to my house. I wonder if you would
encourage her to just accept my apology

461
00:30:53,200 --> 00:31:00,399
once I got caught." I thought that was
pretty egregious.

462
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:06,000
I also wanted to say to the rest of the
city, I think it's pretty sad when you

463
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:10,240
guys try to hide things from the town
and you table things and you hide

464
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:14,720
discussions about property and buying
things.

465
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:18,080
Um,
wondering when the alley beside me was

466
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,880
going to be cleaned up from the
construction and the debris.

467
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,799
You have more to say. I'll respond when
you're done.

468
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,559
» Are you done?
>> This is the talking stop probably.

469
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,240
» What's that?
>> Oh my god.

470
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:56,480
» I stop talking. That usually insinuates.
>> I was asking a question. Okay.

471
00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:01,039
To my knowledge,
>> she's got her hand up over here.

472
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,640
» Can I speak?
>> No.

473
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,159
» No problem.
>> No. Yeah. Not yet. Yeah. Wait.

474
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:10,320
» Okay. To
>> my knowledge, Chief Parker said that the

475
00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:15,679
alley was cleaned up. There was one item
yet to clean

476
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:20,000
» and uh I assume that that's going to be
followed through with. It is cleaner

477
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:26,080
than what it was. So, anybody else have
a comment on on that here?

478
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:29,840
From my knowledge, it got cleaned up.
>> It says no building or construction

479
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:34,960
material and under that is literally
labeled countertops or sinks and those

480
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:38,159
are still in the um alley.
>> Okay, I'll check with Chief Parker. He

481
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,000
said he gave me a date that was supposed
to be out of there. So, I will follow

482
00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:43,440
up.
>> The last update we had was that it got

483
00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:45,919
cleaned completely out. It was
completely taken care of.

484
00:32:44,399 --> 00:32:48,960
» He said there was one thing that they
had that needed a skid loader or

485
00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:52,720
something.
>> Nope.

486
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:58,559
» Well, yeah, I know. I read that, too.
Um, I went by there today. All I saw was

487
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:03,679
some boards.
I [snorts] didn't get out of the car to

488
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:09,919
go study it, but that's all I saw. I saw
where he had taken the the big

489
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:15,279
» piece of whatever that is that Yeah.
It's gone

490
00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:18,640
» and put in his own property. So,
>> that's all I saw.

491
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:22,159
» As far as the apology, I think the
individual you're talking about sits to

492
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,279
my right. He's made an apology. You
didn't answer the phone. You left a

493
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:30,799
voicemail. As far as I'm concerned, he
made an attempt to do that. That's good.

494
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:34,159
So, we all make mistakes, including
yourself, including me. So,

495
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:39,200
» yeah, but I'm just a citizen. I'm not
being paid to be here.

496
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:42,559
» Mr. uh President Prom for Miss Sherwood
said she was done speaking, but she

497
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:46,159
continues to speak.
>> But he also said last meeting that as

498
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:50,159
long as there's give and take that it
would be okay.

499
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,000
No one's really asking any questions, I
guess. So,

500
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:56,720
» no, we're addressing. Yeah.
>> Um,

501
00:33:53,519 --> 00:34:02,480
anyway, I I I feel that he's made
adequate restitution and at least from

502
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:09,280
his effort and that's all we can ask
for. So, anybody else have any comment

503
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:12,800
on that on the council?
>> No. So, I I agree.

504
00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:17,200
» Yeah.
So,

505
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:19,280
» and then lastly, the accusation that the
city is hiding

506
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,280
» Yeah.
>> Okay. That had to do with the life-wise

507
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:28,079
thing. I think it was very wise to table
that. There was a legal challenge that

508
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:33,040
was thrown upon the clerk treasure and
the mayor's desk that day. So, we

509
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:39,040
decided just to to table it, talk about
it, and there's no our hands are open

510
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:42,480
now. They we've abandoned the project
and we're done with it. I think we were

511
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:46,480
talking about when we were discussing
the sale of the property up here at the

512
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:50,159
VFW or whatnot
>> that wasn't tabled. So

513
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:52,639
» you said you couldn't talk about it in
front of people who were present. I

514
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:54,960
believe
>> I don't think that was about that issue

515
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:58,160
at all. No.
>> So

516
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:01,920
» that that's a that's an offer pending.
So it hasn't closed. So

517
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:06,640
» and it was stated there would be a
public hearing about that transaction

518
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:10,079
after all of the details were worked
out. So nothing is being hidden.

519
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,000
» So yeah. Yeah,
>> there have it's required

520
00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:14,640
» require
>> it's required to have public

521
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:20,314
» one or two
>> I think I'm not sure.

522
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,314
» Okay, but at least one. So, [snorts]

523
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,320
» okay. You had your hand up.
>> I did.

524
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,760
» What's your name?
>> Joy Lothr.

525
00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:33,680
» Oh, okay.
>> Hi.

526
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:38,160
» Hi. Um, I am the neighbor that lives in
the alley and

527
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:41,760
» last city council meeting it was told
that we need to move the shed and which

528
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,160
we did.
>> Mhm.

529
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:46,880
» Before the meeting.
>> Mhm.

530
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,320
» And Chief Parker came over and didn't
realize Well, we didn't move the shed

531
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:55,359
before the meeting that night. We moved
we made progress in the alley as was

532
00:35:52,720 --> 00:36:00,640
recommended to us. And when Chief Parker
reported at last meeting that we did not

533
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:04,400
do anything, I called him at that very
moment and said, "I really need you to

534
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,920
stop by our house tonight."
>> Right.

535
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:13,119
» So, he did with Officer Evans. They came
and looked at the alley. He apologized

536
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:19,359
because he did not get out of his car to
look at the alley. That we made great

537
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:22,880
progress. And he we also said that we
would have the barn moved by the

538
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:26,560
weekend. and he said he would not
service us any papers because he made a

539
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,839
mistake. It was his mistake that he
would be here tonight, but

540
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:33,520
understandably so, he's not.
>> Mhm.

541
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:38,960
» Um, but the barn has been moved to our
property. The stuff in the alley is not

542
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:42,000
a nuisance to anyone. And I have an
email for him stating that if it needs

543
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:44,960
to be seen.
>> Okay.

544
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:50,079
» He did correct himself. He did send an
email after that meeting of stating why

545
00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:54,720
he left stated in the exact same thing
saying that um that it was it was his

546
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:58,320
mistake. He had made that assumption by
driving by it, not actually going back

547
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:03,079
there. Said he went back there and it
was cleaned up.

548
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:03,079
» Yes, he did.

549
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:10,160
» Anything else?
>> Clear.

550
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:14,000
» Is there still something in the alley?
>> Not that I'm aware of. There is still

551
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:17,680
stuff in the alley, but it is he said
that it was fine to be there and we if

552
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:22,560
we want to move it, we can move it
>> at our time, but the shed was priority

553
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:27,760
one and that's what we needed to move.
Most of 95% of everything is gone. There

554
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:32,160
was any kind of obstruction.
>> So, what's in the alley is not in the

555
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,880
alley. It's on your property.
>> Right.

556
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:39,920
» Okay.
>> I d I'll just speak quickly. I drove by

557
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:44,160
today and it was a lot. Like I said, the
or like she was saying, the wood's gone,

558
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,760
everything's gone. There's like two or
three items that are laying against the

559
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:53,200
back of the barn. And I would believe if
you would go back out and check with the

560
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:55,920
line, they're since they're so flat up
against the barn, they're under the

561
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,800
overhang. I would assume it's it's going
to be on our property anyways.

562
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,000
» Oh, I wouldn't assume that.
>> Okay. [laughter] Well, I'm just saying

563
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,560
I'm just saying there's
>> I have to reme-measure, but

564
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,680
» I know it's close. I
>> There's not much room. Yeah, there's not

565
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,560
much room back there. Just just so you
know that. I mean, if it's up against

566
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,720
their barn laying flat, maybe it is.
>> But

567
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:16,079
» is the barn over the easement? Actually,
>> the I would tell you the overrange

568
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:19,839
probably right the top over probably
really right on that easement line.

569
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,160
» And we wouldn't do anything with it
unless we wanted to go in there and do

570
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,920
something. So,
>> yeah. I don't think nothing none of the

571
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:27,920
barn is on is over into the alley
easement. Okay.

572
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,680
» Yeah.
>> Well, I'd like for due diligence just to

573
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:36,960
have Ryan double check the measurements
and make sure that it is in fact on

574
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:38,960
Lothy's property.
Okay.

575
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,760
» Okay.
>> State your name, please.

576
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:45,040
» I'm Darlene Ko.
>> Okay.

577
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:50,800
» I built that barn. We had the
permission. We had it all staked out,

578
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:57,440
surveyed out, and it was on the correct
property. And that alley has never been

579
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,720
maintained. I've had that house for 40
years.

580
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,400
» Mhm.
>> Wow.

581
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:06,560
» And that alley is just like it always
has been.

582
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,560
» Okay.

583
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:13,760
I'm glad you came to clarify all that.
>> And there's a tree at the end of the

584
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,079
alley.
>> Mhm.

585
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:18,880
» On the other end, if you look down
there,

586
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:21,839
» cars can't even go through.
>> There's a fence in the alley down the

587
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:25,359
other end.
>> Yeah, I saw that.

588
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,200
» So why
>> the big deal is about this end of the

589
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:33,040
alley when you can't use it at the other
end

590
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:36,560
» where the alley stopped.
There's no there's no there's no

591
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:38,079
approach on the other end. It was taken
it was taken out.

592
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,359
» All right.
>> Okay.

593
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:47,359
» But that house that sits on the corner
of Ash and Lynwood,

594
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:51,280
their fence is out in about 3 ft out in
the alley. It is

595
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,800
» because you can tell it based off the
other fences down through there. They're

596
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:57,920
out past where they're supposed to be.
They're in the alley.

597
00:39:57,359 --> 00:40:00,480
» Okay.
>> But that's not where the complaint came

598
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:05,079
in. They wanted to do other stuff moved.
So, no one's hollered at that one down

599
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:05,079
there,

600
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,800
» but theoretically that fence should be
moved. You have several of them that

601
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:13,200
way. So,
>> yeah.

602
00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:16,000
» So, don't open that can of wor right
now.

603
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:19,520
» I don't think any of this has to do with
the city. The city does not have permits

604
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:24,640
on that. The city does not issue the
permits. They do not maintain it. They

605
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:32,240
do not uh police [clears throat] that.
the we police the ordinance that we have

606
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:35,200
in place of junk being in the alley
under the ordinance. Junk under the

607
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:39,040
ordinance. [laughter]
Uh if there's a violation of the

608
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:43,280
ordinance, that's something that we can
take care of.

609
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:48,400
Variances, fences, where barns are
built, that has nothing to do with the

610
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:52,640
city. That has to do at a county level.
So there's nothing anybody can do up

611
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:56,240
here about that besides the same thing
that every one of you can do as well is

612
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,520
calling the county.
>> Now I was just going to ask so that's

613
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,599
what they need to do is call the county.
>> Yep.

614
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,599
» Okay.
Okay.

615
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,920
» Okay.
Kevin,

616
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:18,240
I'm sorry.
>> That's okay.

617
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:21,839
» They didn't really
It's a good [clears throat] compliment.

618
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:28,560
» That's compliment.
>> Uh just an update to and I I I know I

619
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:33,520
sent everybody the reorganization
uh for Sheridan, Indiana. That was a

620
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:38,960
that was a reorganization
uh where their township merged into

621
00:41:35,359 --> 00:41:44,640
their city into the town of Sheridan. Uh
Terry and I watched a ITA, it's from the

622
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:48,800
Indiana Township Association uh webinar
the other night, last week, not last

623
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:53,119
week, the week before on mer. It had to
do more with mergers on Senate Bill 270

624
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:59,200
and deal more with on the merger aspect
of townships merging, which is coming.

625
00:41:55,839 --> 00:42:04,240
Uh it's no surprise there. Uh I say I I
told Terry Cypio's dead. Uh and they

626
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,319
will be. That's okay. You know, there's
nothing wrong with that because, you

627
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:11,520
know, they're such a small township.
they need to merge. But again, if you're

628
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,640
looking at the Wami Township and City of
Woodburn, that's called a

629
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:18,880
reorganization. There wasn't a lot of
information on reorganization per se in

630
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:23,359
the video, but there was in the or in
the Zoom meeting, but there was some

631
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:26,560
stuff and I did ask a question. I then
of course, you know, you think about

632
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:31,200
those things after 10 minutes afterwards
because I asked I say Terry was there.

633
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:34,960
If a city and a township merges, you
know, how easy or how because merging

634
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:41,200
townships is going to be fairly easy,
going be fair, fairly simple process.

635
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:45,520
Townships or cities and townships
the way Jeff Bellamy is the attorney of

636
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:50,960
record. He's he's also I've dealt with
him before, worked talked to him before

637
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:54,880
with the East Central Fire and EMS. He
was the attorney of record for that

638
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:59,440
merger when we when Mami Township and
everybody formed in New Haven. But

639
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:05,119
anyway, so so Jeff is the attorney uh
handling a lot of the merger stuff or uh

640
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:09,920
in doing was the one during the webinar.
uh he indicated well it could be very

641
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:14,319
difficult but then again Harry and I
were talking afterwards

642
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:18,960
on our end we don't think it will be it
would be hard because we don't have you

643
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:23,760
know I'll pick on Muny Muny and Delaware
County or even New Haven and Adams

644
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:28,160
Township merging together or not Adams
County whatever township Muny's in the

645
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:33,359
um
>> we don't have you guys as a city don't

646
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:38,880
have the departments that Munie has you
know planning services, permitting, you

647
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:42,160
know, doing permitting processes. Uh I
say obviously you don't have fire, we

648
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:44,640
don't have a fire department anymore. Uh
we don't have what were some of the

649
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:48,160
other ones, Terry? There was there was a
whole list of thumbs. We look at New

650
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:51,200
Haven's organizational chart. We know we
don't have what New Haven, you know, all

651
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,000
the departments that New Haven has. So
really

652
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,079
» parks departments, the parks department.
>> Yeah. Right now you have parks

653
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:59,760
department, you know, that sort of
thing. So there's not the amount of

654
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,960
services that have to be because we
don't have that. You don't have that.

655
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:06,240
that's doesn't have to be all figured
out and everything else. [laughter]

656
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:10,240
» So, personally, you know, I I don't
going come away from that. Again, I

657
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:15,680
still think it's a a process that we
need to be proactive on. Uh it's coming.

658
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:19,200
We know it. Uh
it's been, you know, it's been discussed

659
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:25,440
for many years now in the state of
Indiana doing way doing mergers and

660
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:30,560
consolidations and things like that. Uh
I think personally I I told Terry I

661
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:34,400
think from the township side
>> there's two funds that you guys have on

662
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:37,680
your taxes that we don't have in the
township side. One is the economic

663
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,359
development and I forget what the other
one was Terry. There's two two different

664
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:46,400
funds and Kevin might know that looking
at the the rates or whatever.

665
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:50,240
» One of them differs and one doesn't. So
>> one of those funds or tax rates differs.

666
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,200
Well, we don't have the economic
development one that you have on your,

667
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,839
[clears throat] you know, for the city
residents and there was another one that

668
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,920
was a small amount.
>> That that'll be going away though. But

669
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:02,560
what the new that that new bill
>> it could be

670
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:07,119
» that they have to Allen County will have
to that's something else we'll have to

671
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:12,240
discuss as well is Allen County is is
going to establish a new tax on people

672
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:17,040
and that's something that we will have
to ask them to also enforce for and

673
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:20,240
collect for us
>> that's going to be coming up. So,

674
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:24,160
» okay.
>> So, we'll want to discuss it. We

675
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:29,760
probably want to start the process
sometime in late 26 so it can be done

676
00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:32,960
what about 2029 20
>> Well, that's what I figured cuz I had a

677
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:37,040
lady in I had a lady in the office today
cuz she asked about the splash pad, you

678
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,896
know, and I thank Skyler for all the
stuff because I' i've read the stuff you

679
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:44,560
put out there. I appreciate that.
[clears throat]

680
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:50,000
Uh but she she asked about uh some some
things and I I said I did mention the

681
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:57,040
the reorganization. It can't happen next
year because of the municipal elections.

682
00:45:52,560 --> 00:46:01,440
So I the way I see this the uh timeline
is in I would assume we could do a

683
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:06,640
referendum in May or you know the
primary in May of 28

684
00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:10,960
at the earliest or it could be on the
November ballot because we would have to

685
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:15,440
do a referendum on it for the township
city for the whole entity and then it

686
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:21,520
would take effect like you say January
20 1st of January 29 and then then the

687
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:24,400
township would be s system deceased to
river so At

688
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,720
» least we would want to get a resolution
between the township and the city that

689
00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:31,440
» yes
>> has agreed to late 26. And and I told

690
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:35,520
Terry and I was gone last week and I
told Terry I would get get a hold of

691
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:39,200
like an Allen County Commissioner uh one
of the commissioners that is in our our

692
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:44,560
district commissioner and also the I
think Tom Harris is our um county

693
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:49,839
council person representing this area
and uh see if we can't get together and

694
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:53,119
talk logistics wise because we looked
like Terry and I said what happen and

695
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,960
Kevin and I have talked about what
happens to the roads like I live on Gar

696
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:01,760
Creek who takes care of those. It's
still maintained by at Sheridan, it's

697
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:05,520
still maintained by the county.
>> Yeah, they made an interlocal agreement.

698
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:08,960
» Yeah, there's an interlocal agreement.
Uh,

699
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:13,359
» and what they did at Sheridan, uh, if if
you read the information, they created a

700
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,880
non what I call it non they call it a
rural district.

701
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,680
» Yeah.
>> Just a rural district

702
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:23,280
» in an urban district, you know. And uh,
I think Kevin and I have talked having

703
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,920
two representatives, maybe north and
south or east and west, whatever you

704
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:32,079
want to do. I don't you know what how
you want to write it but yeah I think we

705
00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:36,480
need to be proactive on that on this and
because it is coming and we we as a

706
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:41,200
township I don't know I don't know
Skyler did you do have you done the uh

707
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:43,359
or anybody looked at the scoring system
that they the point system they have out

708
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,000
there
>> I've looked at it

709
00:47:44,319 --> 00:47:48,079
» yeah because we're right at the we're
right at the you know because we don't

710
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,359
have a fire department
>> I was curious where you thought you'd go

711
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:56,880
» well we don't have a fire department so
that you know that's a point or whatever

712
00:47:53,680 --> 00:48:00,720
I do less than whatever the township
assistance

713
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:05,119
» applications were per year. Uh we have
had no vacancies on our either advisory

714
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:11,359
board or
trustes office in years. They're all

715
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:15,040
student running for I guess but anyway
you know so we had no vacancies that

716
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,520
doesn't that doesn't hurt us but u
>> well you you scored three out of four I

717
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,920
think.
>> Yeah I think yeah cuz we did it that day

718
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,319
when you were there and
>> zero zero to one you're going to have a

719
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,599
mandatory
>> Yeah. Well, actually actually zero to

720
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:31,920
two is
>> so I guess my question is what's the

721
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:35,760
next step? I mean, I I say I I I say I
was gone last week, so I did not get a

722
00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:40,160
hold of our commissioner or our council
person, but just so get input from you

723
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:44,160
guys and see if you think we're going
about this the wrong way or I know Kevin

724
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:48,960
and I have talked about, you know, you
you you guys have an attorney. We don't

725
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:53,520
have the township does not have a,
>> you know, we we've used the good graces

726
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:56,000
of, you know, people that live here who
have kids that are attorneys, you know,

727
00:48:55,119 --> 00:49:00,319
advises things.
>> We can we can do that. We could probably

728
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:04,800
start with our attorneys then.
>> So, I'll let you guys know. When I

729
00:49:02,319 --> 00:49:08,319
talked to Joe's attorney, Kevin Bruns,
he didn't seem very in favor of it.

730
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:12,240
Seemed like it was going to be a very
hard process. It's going to be h I'm not

731
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:16,880
too sure what the process is that Jeff
is talking about. From what Kevin had

732
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:20,480
told me that this is has to be uh a vote
on a ballot. So,

733
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:24,559
» Jeff is saying that it has to be in a
non-election year, but you can't have an

734
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,920
election and have it be on the ballot.
So, I don't know. Yeah,

735
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:30,480
» not sure exactly how it goes.
>> Well, 28 would be

736
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:33,200
» bronze did not
>> 27 27.

737
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:37,040
» So, yeah, I don't know what I can't
remember what the time frame was.

738
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:46,160
» So, Bruns didn't seem too hopeful about
it at the time. Um, if you guys I mean

739
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:52,640
my attorneys uh um
>> uh is is more proactive on things and my

740
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:59,280
my guy uh tends to uh hit things a
little harder. Um, so, uh, but also you

741
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:02,480
guys see the bills. You guys see what
one month I mean

742
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:06,720
» we worked for we we worked with that
attorney for 2 years to try to get this

743
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:11,119
set up with Allen County. Nothing
happened. I asked my guy about it. A

744
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,480
month later, we're sitting in front of
the magistrates. I mean, my guy gets

745
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:18,240
stuff done, but you see the bills.
>> So, if you guys want him to work on

746
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:22,160
this, this isn't a small task. He said
it would take probably about on average

747
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:25,920
what $10,000
>> to do the merger. And we could probably

748
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:28,559
split that between the city and and the
town.

749
00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:35,960
» Well, this is just one one month right
here for Carson LLP. This was $3,000

750
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:39,680
uh just to do the ordinance stuff.
[snorts]

751
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:41,599
So, I doubt it's going to be $10,000.
>> That's what the guy said on the he was

752
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:45,920
attorney.
>> I think he's saying extra fees on top of

753
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:49,280
any lead lawyer fees you pay was my
guess. Oh, he said all the the whole

754
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:54,640
fees, all the filing and all the what?
He said this plan on spending $10,000.

755
00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:58,559
In fact, he said I'm overshooting it. Uh
but he say Sheridan did it for $9,000.

756
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:02,960
Yeah. So,
>> but maybe before we pay a lawyer, we

757
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,839
just have somebody talk to them if we're
serious about it. Well, what were the

758
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,240
steps we followed?
>> I agree. Yeah,

759
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:12,000
» we could talk to Carson. They're a
little more proactive. I'm fine with

760
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:15,359
that. Brun seemed to be okay to do it,
but it's like, well, do you really want

761
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:19,599
to do it? That kind of thing. I am
curious about the timing of it. I

762
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:23,200
thought I read online it had to be in a
year where the municipal elections were

763
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:26,319
held because people are already going
out to vote on

764
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,040
» Yeah, it could be. I I say I may have
messed up.

765
00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:33,200
» Mayor Kelsey and Jeff have both said
that it had to be on an off year.

766
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:36,000
» So,
>> maybe some things do and maybe the

767
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,640
» How would you do that?
>> The vote would probably have to be

768
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,280
during obviously during the election,
but

769
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:44,800
» yeah. Well, I think we'd start with the
attorney and see if if they've got a a

770
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,800
protocol to do it.
>> No, I mean, how if if we don't do it in

771
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,480
an election year, how are we going to
vote on it?

772
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:54,720
» Well, yeah,
>> right. I agree. I agree.

773
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:57,040
» So, I I I probably got the dates back
mix back.

774
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:02,000
» The last comments I want to make on it
are the biggest concerns I've heard

775
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:05,839
about it were, oh, taxes are going to go
up for township people. And again with

776
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:10,240
what we saw in Sheridan, that's not
necessarily the case because you can set

777
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:15,040
up two taxing districts. And then the
other was the roads and the opportunity

778
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:18,559
to have an interlocal with Allen County
to continue

779
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:22,960
» their maintenance of the roads. You
know, if we didn't get that agreement,

780
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:25,040
then it would could be a tax,
>> correct?

781
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,440
» On the citizens and that could cause
them to go up, but it would be

782
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:31,599
independent
>> of the other things going up. That would

783
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,640
be new for everybody. It sound like that
could be worked out from the ones that

784
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,800
have done that already,
>> right?

785
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:40,000
» As far as the roads, plus the garbage
bill would go down with people. They

786
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:44,000
could use our contract.
>> Those are out of the city could have

787
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:46,559
lower sewer rates and lower water rates
if they're hooked on the water. So,

788
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:47,680
» because they've got a search charge
right now.

789
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:52,240
» Yeah.
>> For being out of city. And then

790
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:56,400
» the the last comment is, you know, the
parks improvements that we want

791
00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:58,240
potentially developing the new park, the
new location for the park,

792
00:52:57,441 --> 00:53:02,000
[clears throat] right? That would
probably go easier

793
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:04,880
» if these
>> were if it was one municipal

794
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,520
organization.
>> Yeah, correct.

795
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:11,920
» And and the state is pushing this cuz
these townships are from the early 1800s

796
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,960
when you had to have a school and every
township and

797
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:18,160
» you know life was smaller was horse and
buggy days.

798
00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:20,079
» So can we get what happens if we don't
do it?

799
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:24,480
» Well, I don't think they're going to
force us now. But those that are

800
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:28,000
becoming dysfunctional like Cypio,
they're going to mandatorily push them

801
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,119
into a merger.
>> They would just merge with another

802
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:35,040
township. Correct.
>> So nothing effectively would change

803
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,680
except for who's managing it boundaries.
>> Yeah. They're not going to be able to

804
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:41,040
force Woodburn to merge with Maui
Township. Now they may

805
00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:45,119
» they could force
>> Miland and Mame or

806
00:53:43,359 --> 00:53:48,400
» I guess we could go north and go
Springfield. You know, I guess we go

807
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:52,000
Cypio too as far as that goes. So they
do connect. They do touch each other.

808
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:56,880
» I know. Yeah.
>> I don't think that makes sense, but for

809
00:53:54,079 --> 00:54:00,800
us, but or we could go Jackson. Go south
and go Jackson. There's not much in

810
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:04,960
Jackson either. So,
>> yeah. They're not going to force the

811
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:08,000
city. It's not It's not a force a city
force thing. It's a good It's a

812
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:13,599
township. They want to be with the way
of the like Terry said, the old the old

813
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:19,119
township model is run its course, so to
speak. and uh the old horse and bugging

814
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:24,480
days. Uh and they want to make it more
efficient and uh I think I just read the

815
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:30,319
other day, believe it or not, uh state
employees are down what 3,000 people

816
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:33,680
since Brun took over because
efficiencies and things like that.

817
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:37,520
» Yeah. I think you have to see what the
longterm effect is and how long

818
00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:42,319
something like that would take
>> because I think that the other mergers,

819
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:45,920
the one that we had talked about before,
Jeff, the first one you had brought to

820
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:50,480
me that I gave to Kevin, from what I
understand is that most of the city was

821
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:55,839
already in the township,
>> but this is not that way.

822
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:59,920
» Like 95% of city.
>> So it was it was pretty close already.

823
00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:02,720
So I don't know these other ones you
guys are talking about with the size of

824
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:04,480
Yorkville.
>> Well, Sheridan was a little closer. I

825
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,400
you know
>> I think Yorkville is the one you

826
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,920
originally brought up.
>> Yeah, Yorktown was the one Yorktown was

827
00:55:08,319 --> 00:55:14,240
the one I originally and yeah that was
happened years ago and I think Jeff Bell

828
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:18,559
and me also talked remember he he's been
involved with all all the mergers so

829
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:22,319
far. That's basically his
>> specialty. I won't say a specialy type

830
00:55:20,319 --> 00:55:27,440
but that's really what he focuses on is
that sort of stuff. So Sheridan was a

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little more populationwise, right?
>> Closer to what this would be.

832
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» Can you check with your attorney?
>> We can check with the attorney. Carson,

833
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:39,280
» I don't know. Should we do something
more informal first?

834
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» Informal or formal?
>> Call

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a Sheridan contact and just say, "Hey,
what were the steps you followed and

836
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how, [clears throat] you know, confirm
how much they spent?"

837
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,799
» I can do that, too. Yeah. I mean, I can
do that. Would you do that? Yeah. Oh,

838
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:54,559
yeah. I have one contact. I I don't know
if it's uh from one of our

839
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commissioners. There's the three
commissioners. I don't know if it's

840
00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:00,720
Turpin. I think Turpin is the one might
be the one here.

841
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:04,880
» I think it is. Yeah.
>> And then uh I think Tom I see I think

842
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:11,040
Tom Harris is the because he was
originally in St. Joe Township on the

843
00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:17,599
township uh board or trustee there and
he's the Apple County council person

844
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that be involved. So I can kind I say I
was going to call them because but I say

845
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I was gone last week. So
>> Okay. Could you do that?

846
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:25,839
» Yeah.
>> Then let us know then maybe we need

847
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,960
» Right. I just bring that up and you know
>> at least have a counsel.

848
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:32,480
» Oh yeah. The more information we get
informal information we get that will

849
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help us. I think long term, like you
say, Kevin, with the attorney stuff, we

850
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:39,839
have a ducks in a row, so to speak, that
we can just lay this out and say,

851
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:46,319
here's, you know, here's the res, you
know, we can here it is,

852
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:50,559
you know, it's not going to be
attorney fees. So,

853
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:54,559
» right, I say I asked Kevin to come in
and talk and share that with us. I

854
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,880
appreciate it. So,
>> you're Kevin.

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00:56:55,280 --> 00:57:01,280
» You're Jeff. You're Jeff.
>> Sorry. [laughter]

856
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:04,480
» I've had a long day for you, right?
So

857
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:10,160
I'm sorry. [clears throat]
Okay. All these Kevin Kevin Bruns Kevin

858
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:14,240
jobs. Sorry.
>> Yeah. Kevin's on jobs.

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00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:17,599
» Okay. I think we're through the public
comments. Do we have a

860
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» motion to adjurnn?
>> Yes. Seconded.

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All improves.