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» I don't see Any

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interest?

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I guess she emailed me.

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You were the brave stood.

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My wife

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I think it's important.

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we'll call to order.

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See if I'm

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We'll call to order

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this August 20th meeting of the Woodland

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Planning Commission. And we will start

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with the pledge of allegiance.

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All right.

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Take roll call.

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>> Commissioner Matson

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>> Commissioner Watt

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>> Commissioner Lewis

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>> Commissioner Simpson

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>> here.

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Commissioner Red has not arrived yet.

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>> Um

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I don't know if this is like cancelled.

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Do we need a vote to excuse her?

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So let's go ahead and um somebody make a

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» All right. Motion's been made and

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All those in favor? Hi. All right.

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This time,

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one of the most important

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things of our meeting is um citizen for

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communication for items not on the

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agenda.

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You have anything.

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I as well

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» I move that

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» All right. All right.

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» So, um,

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next thing would be agenda approval.

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>> I move that we approve the agenda as

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presented.

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>> Discussion.

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I have some you know, on this agenda is

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an action item for our

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code enforcement stuff and if we're not

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ready to take action, we can table it at

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that time. Okay, just so everybody's

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aware.

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All right, so

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we don't have to roll call that vote.

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>> I am not. I'm just I want everybody to

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be satisfied.

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Do we need to call that vote out?

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» Are there any objections?

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>> Anybody object?

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>> All those in favor of the agenda as

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presented?

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>> All right,

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enough of the books. All right, we are

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on to workshopping

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the retooling our code which is going to

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result in ordinance 1606

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>> actually

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>> oh shoot I'm sorry thank you

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always love being corrected um so

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September meeting

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we uh Travis is going to be out of town

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on the 17th and 18th. And

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can either move it

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cancel it

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which at this time

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we don't have any really any heavy duty

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projects once we finish the retooling

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our code.

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formative stuff and we are in compliance

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with the state so far on how many

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meetings we have. So

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we're workshopping.

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I think we should move it to

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concerns.

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» Yeah. No long pants next month.

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That seems to be a good consensus.

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We need to take action on that or just

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that's what we've agreed to do and that

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workshop is over. See how easy this is?

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>> So you have an unrealistic idea how the

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rest of this goes to work.

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>> So move to cancel the meeting on the

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17th.

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So, as a workshop, you don't have to

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take action. It's your opportunity to

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direct staff to do stuff.

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» Okay,

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we're all in agreement. We're not having

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a September meeting.

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Change your calendar, Dave.

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that means we're moving into our

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workshop on ordinance6006, retooling our

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code that I brought up earlier. And, um,

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do you want to do staff report here,

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Travis? Is that the best thing to do or

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>> Um, so for the record, my name is Travis

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for the city of Woodland. And um we have

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had a couple workshops on these um code

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changes over the last several months.

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requested at the last meeting. And um it

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is outlined here on the um cover letter.

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code sections. And specifically the

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issues that have been brought up is um

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the issue of

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uh including in our nuisance language

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basketball hoops in the streets and

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blocking sidewalks and the issue

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associated with odors and making it

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clear that that odors um will be

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something that's pursued by code

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enforcement. And the issue that was

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brought up was the desire to make sure

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that the language does not include food

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preparation. So like whether it's

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Daddy's De's barbecue or a food truck or

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a restaurant that just because you can

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smell it next door, it doesn't

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necessarily means it's

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>> So So there are two sections where we

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added that in there and in this case um

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as identified here we just added a

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sentence that says, "This shall not

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apply to odors caused by the preparation

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of food in a residential or commercial

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circumstance." So, unless you have some

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language changes for that, it's pretty

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straightforward. I think

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Mike, to answer your question about is

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there anyone

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background? So, the background on this

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is um there is a company in town that

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fertilizer for the grow industry. And

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they had a um centriuge evaporator,

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centrifical evaporator that basically

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was supposed to cook the water out of

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the other wash down chemicals. It was it

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was everything they were washing down.

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wash down chemicals with the fertilizer.

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had quite the odor. I'm sure you've

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smelled it. And it was um really

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important to me because I was losing

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business at my business because of it as

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well. And so and we don't know about the

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health implications from it. Our old

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code said that

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Southwest Washington Clean Air

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uh was was responsible for

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whatever code

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Washington deemed was the one that would

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be enforced. So even though we had a

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code that said you keep your smell on

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your property,

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they could come out and say, "Well, it's

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bad, but it's not bad enough to and that

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was what was happening." And they

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blatantly said they don't enforce

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anybody else's code. So yes, I'm 150

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yards away and I s it, but we don't

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change in the first place. And so it has

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been removed from one of the basically

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three pieces of code

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that still refer to clean air for us to

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have them help us with. But odors is not

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and it was true and I think reasonably

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brought up but

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know, restaurants been here for 20 years

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out of business because they don't like

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the smell or the

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vegans complaining about the neighbor

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cooking st. So that's where

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um that idea for doesn't apply to food

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preparation comes into play. And

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hopefully that takes care of that.

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Brea came on board and Brea

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stayed on them and they figured out that

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they're not going to be able to they

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were just not honest about oh we're

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doing this and we're doing that. After

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Brea came on board they figured out that

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this is going to start getting serious

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and uh they replace the machine with a

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different process. So the machine's

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gone, the odor's gone. And

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unfortunately, the people from Clean Air

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told me that they didn't have any way to

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what kind of emissions were in that

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plume.

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permit actually was um originated

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because they needed to burn so much

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natural gas to run that machine. It was

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for the carbon dioxide. The permit was

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for carbon dioxide and steam which are

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both odorless. So

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anyway, that's the whole and I mean and

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that's from back in

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probably that got started. So it was a

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commission back then. Um,

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so now that's the background and here we

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Whatever. Somebody's complain about

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whatever if because it's complaint

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driven. So it'll just depend on if I

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receive a complaint about something else

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like I did get a complaint about a

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septic smell and I got the joy of

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smelling it and sure enough

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had like cracked. So

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» we're workshopping. Go ahead.

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little bit more. I think that's what it

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depends on the weather. And so they got kind of a free pass for the

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longest time because so PDM I was buying

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steel at PDM next door and it was

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horrible and I said, "Doesn't that smell

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bug you?" And they said, "Oh, it's just

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a dog food plant. They've always been

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there. I'm like, look at the look at the

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wind. Look at the steam. The wind is

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going away from the dog food plant.

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That's not the dog food plant. You have

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any idea what you're breathing? You

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know, and I was about to to the point of

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contacting the the safety directors for

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Lifeport and the other businesses and

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saying, "Hey, you know, this is what

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this is and you're responsible for your

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employees health and what they're

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breathing, even if it's from the

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neighbors. you know it's it's up but

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fortunately

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it one day the machine just got removed.

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So,

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um

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any comments there, questions?

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So, um

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at the last meeting

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I talked about when we got down into

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like 19, right? enforcements in 19

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chapter 19

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and uh

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go ahead and go on down there. Stop.

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Um

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I guess so

298
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I had asked about uh turning some of the

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maze into shs

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on, you know, where especially when it

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comes to uh development code stuff.

302
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Um it's not what is in there? But I'd

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asked about it and it kind of got

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sidelined

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where it says that the um

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shall be

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I like the idea.

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discussion.

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>> So, I I like the idea of giving staff a

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little discretion, too. But what about

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when it comes to um the environmental

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code?

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>> That's where

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I just

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find

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Okay.

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» I Right.

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So,

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>> I don't think

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>> that's not what I'm thinking of at all.

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And that's not um

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even covered in our environmental code.

323
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That's covered in our nuisance code.

324
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Okay.

325
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>> I'll just say this really quick. I mean,

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currently, how it is written, I've had

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no problem

328
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getting the job done and enforcing when

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needed. And I don't know if it really is

330
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that

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important to go through and change that

332
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one little word. I I know I'm going to

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enforce it.

334
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>> Okay. So,

335
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>> but I do like the flexibility of working

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with

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>> if you if you go so far with something

338
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and then you you hit a wall,

339
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then it goes on to the director, right?

340
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the responsible official

341
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>> they start

342
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>> 1990 12

343
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>> they start getting penalties and fines

344
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and then you take a lean out that's

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» correct

346
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>> so we had Mike Laboki in here for his

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reaver zone request he wasn't here the

348
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first time but he was out of compliance

349
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on those properties with parking trucks

350
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selling truck parking and not

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um having any of the storm water

352
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permitted, no separators, no nothing.

353
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So, he wasn't at the first meeting. So,

354
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at the second meeting, I sat here and

355
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told him, "You got to have the storm

356
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water done. You got to have permits

357
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before you open a business there. Before

358
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you start parking trucks, you can't let

359
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that stuff end up in the storm water."

360
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and he's advertising. Are you aware of

361
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this?

362
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>> Yes.

363
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>> He's advertising storage on Craigslist

364
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and there's trucks there and signs and

365
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everything. So,

366
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» yes.

367
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So, there's no there's

368
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>> there's no there's no occupancy pyramid.

369
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Correct.

370
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>> And that's correct. And it's final

371
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engineering. I'm expecting that. So,

372
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>> don't we the engineering and the work

373
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and then open for business.

374
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>> Yes, that's supposed to occur.

375
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>> How are we to get

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things to occur how they're supposed to

377
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occur? But we change

378
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199120.

379
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» Well, we need to

380
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So, and so this is not this is not

381
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somebody's nuisance. This is not

382
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somebody's yard. This is not some this

383
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is a a blatant

384
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u ignor ignoring our development code.

385
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Just blatantly ignoring the code and and

386
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figuring that apologies cheaper than

387
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asking.

388
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So, I did start a code enforcement case

389
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and I reached out to him and his

390
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engineer and his sister and I sent an

391
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email saying, "Hello, we're still

392
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waiting for payment on your fence permit

393
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that you've already built." And I'm

394
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curious what's going on with the storing

395
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of trucks in that parking area as that

396
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has not even been approved yet. And I

397
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immediately got a bunch of invoices paid

398
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for from him, which is a start, but he

399
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did not touch on that other he was out

400
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of town. So I was kind of waiting for

401
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him to get back to go. I didn't know.

402
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,240
Did you agreement with Mike that I was

403
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unaware of. I don't want to just start

404
00:25:34,159 --> 00:25:35,760
doing stuff before I have all the

405
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details. And so that's where we're at

406
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:52,789
right now.

407
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» A month.

408
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>> Yeah.

409
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So um

410
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it's not

411
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that

412
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» I when I don't know when you live

413
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downstream from it you're more aware of

414
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And then you wonder where it's h where

415
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:33,520
else is it happening, you know, but the fact of the matter is if they park

416
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,679
something in there that's loaded with a

417
00:26:35,679 --> 00:26:39,039
liquid and it leaks, it's going to end

418
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up in the waterway that goes to

419
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neighbors properties.

420
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>> No.

421
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,440
» Yeah. And anyway, that's where um if we

422
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,240
don't change this May to a shall what

423
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can we do for for these things for them

424
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,520
to be you know

425
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,840
and and and just in my you know I know a

426
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,600
lot of people have complained about

427
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,200
things that have gone on on the sand

428
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,520
pile and you know just the neglect for

429
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,120
our code there and you know I don't see

430
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,120
everything I know what I see in my

431
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:23,360
neighborhoods and what I see in my

432
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,320
neighborhood neighborhoods is Jeffrey's,

433
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,480
you know, running them up and doing

434
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,000
things that they're not permitted for a long time. And so what do we do to

435
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,000
shake their boots?

436
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,430
So

437
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,600
I don't know that we need any additional

438
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,720
code changes for that. Part of it is our

439
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,600
philosophy has always been if they're

440
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,400
taking steps to get into compliance,

441
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,919
typically we don't. But there are some

442
00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:54,240
cases where If we have a repeat

443
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,399
offender, we should just go right to the

444
00:27:56,399 --> 00:28:00,399
notice and order. And that's an internal

445
00:28:00,399 --> 00:28:03,039
decision that we have code that would

446
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:06,559
allow us to make that decision.

447
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:15,590
So

448
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,549
» yeah, this language has shall

449
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:22,320
» I don't feel like I need it changed to

450
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,240
do my job.

451
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,200
>> So you guys are looking at 210 and I'm

452
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,200
looking at 120.

453
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,320
>> So that's where

454
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,399
whenever the reasonable official has

455
00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:36,080
believe that a violation of land use

456
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,640
ordinance, rule or regulation will most

457
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,600
be promptly and adequately terminated by

458
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,549
distributes.

459
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:50,399
I can't fake this administrative notice.

460
00:28:50,399 --> 00:28:52,480
A written notice and order shall be

461
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,120
directed to the person

462
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,720
and

463
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,120
it says what it has to say. And then at

464
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,750
some point here it says

465
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,240
the responsible official may at any time

466
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,919
add to resend in part or otherwise

467
00:29:07,919 --> 00:29:10,080
modify that notice

468
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:21,909
and um

469
00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:26,080
» so I had it at the last meeting. Um I'll

470
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:31,350
find it here in a minute.

471
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:42,230
to the order.

472
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,000
» I Yeah,

473
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:53,510
>> I did.

474
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,399
» Okay.

475
00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:58,399
May initiate enforcement action.

476
00:29:58,399 --> 00:30:00,240
You're looking at

477
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,000
>> 199100A.

478
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:02,960
That's what you're looking at.

479
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,320
>> Okay. 199230

480
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,919
suspend may suspend any permits. Um

481
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:11,679
there's

482
00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:18,230
and that's for for um

483
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,480
there's a few in there, but this is

484
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,039
mostly land use. So it permits

485
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:29,830
>> and it's not um

486
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,840
» my understanding of the context you're

487
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:47,669
talking

488
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:51,760
» um I had it last month and

489
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:58,470
didn't have my stuff with me.

490
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,039
» Do you feel that

491
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:03,760
if there's a person that is that is

492
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:13,750
facilitating

493
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,760
performing mitigation or whatnot because

494
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:21,110
it says

495
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,880
No,

496
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,440
>> you start

497
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:31,909
>> I I

498
00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:33,919
» I think if you go to a construction site

499
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:35,440
and they're doing something that they

500
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,200
haven't gotten permits for, you can put

501
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,960
a stop work order on it, right?

502
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:39,600
>> Yep.

503
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,799
>> So, if we have a business opened up

504
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:44,960
without any permits to do the business,

505
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,720
we can put a stop work order on that,

506
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,279
too. Right. We have that ability to do

507
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:50,240
right now.

508
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:50,799
>> Y

509
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:52,799
>> and so

510
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:55,120
what don't you think people would be

511
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,799
more inclined to come get things done if

512
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:01,600
they had to stop what they're doing?

513
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,159
>> If we were more liberal. Yeah.

514
00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:05,840
>> If we were more liberal.

515
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,840
with the stop

516
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:08,799
use orders.

517
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:12,950
>> Okay.

518
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,480
So, um, they're in the same thing. You

519
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,360
know, we had we had another issue where

520
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,120
a piece of property was just being used

521
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,519
as a a material waste construction waste

522
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:28,080
storage yard and and they brought a rock

523
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,919
crusher in without any permits and they

524
00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:33,039
did all this stuff and

525
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:36,399
um no matter how many calls I made to

526
00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:38,559
the city, it didn't get stopped till

527
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:41,919
finally Travis said to the to the

528
00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:43,519
contractor, "You better call this guy

529
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,399
because he's pretty down on what you're

530
00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:48,960
And when the guy called me, I laid it

531
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,679
out for him and he's out of compliance.

532
00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:53,840
And he stopped

533
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,760
because he's out of compliance. And it's

534
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,399
like, you know, we can do this the hard

535
00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:00,399
way or we can do it the easy way. The

536
00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:03,279
easy way is you stop. The hard way is

537
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:04,960
you stop after it cost you a bunch of

538
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,120
money, you know, and if you want me to

539
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,480
see that through, I'll see that through.

540
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,640
But I don't have to be the bird dog on

541
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,799
everything. But I guarantee you if

542
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,120
somebody comes to me and says, "Hey,

543
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,080
this production companies dusting me out

544
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,240
or doing whatever they're doing. I'm I'm

545
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,679
going to bird dog it for them just like

546
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:24,799
I would bird dog it for myself. But I

547
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:27,200
just don't understand why it takes so

548
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,240
long. And if we can make some code go in

549
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,399
there that makes that better.

550
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:36,480
>> Just so you know, um when I drive

551
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,279
around, I'll just drive around looking

552
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:42,960
down, see what's going on. I have

553
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,960
uh 17 people like doing stuff without

554
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,799
permits that I just pulled up and been

555
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:52,720
like, "Hey, stop. Come down to city hall

556
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:53,760
that I have."

557
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:54,559
>> That's awesome.

558
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,600
>> Yeah. But I didn't have to go pound. I

559
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,840
just was like, "Hey,

560
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:08,790
people are pretty

561
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,200
easy."

562
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,520
>> You know, you're surprised that you got

563
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,000
compliance. You know, I told him, I

564
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,040
says, "Hey, I get it. I've built stuff,

565
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,639
right? When you're building, you're

566
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,560
building and you're throwing money on it

567
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,159
and it's got to it's got to make stuff

568
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:27,359
happen. So, a little dust is fine. If

569
00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:28,800
you got a piece of property over there

570
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,119
that's high density residential and

571
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:32,560
you're treating it like a construction

572
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,440
yard and you're you're doing all the

573
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,520
construction things over there and

574
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,919
you're dusting me out, I'm this is going

575
00:34:39,919 --> 00:34:42,320
to be the fourth year if you don't stop

576
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,119
of dust and they haven't built anything,

577
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:50,950
you know, and

578
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:56,320
» well they they were behind they were off the road but they were

579
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,400
dump trucks in and out, emptying vector

580
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,680
trucks just out on the ground, you know,

581
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,839
stockpiling asphalt concrete to grind

582
00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:08,240
later, you know, just and then grinding

583
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,640
it later. And, you know, they have to

584
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,240
have a swak up permit to do that. They

585
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,960
didn't have any swaka permit, you know.

586
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,800
And I emailed Travis and said, "Hey,

587
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,320
they're stockpiling stuff that they're

588
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,359
going to want to grind later." and they

589
00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:25,119
told him, "Oh, we're just storing that

590
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:28,310
grinder."

591
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,760
» And then a year later, they did the

592
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,589
grinding, you know. So, and they

593
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:39,599
lied their way through that. So, that's

594
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:42,000
where I just just knowing what I know

595
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,960
from my neighborhood want to know, is

596
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,720
there something we can do in the code

597
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:48,320
that makes it a little better for

598
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,200
everybody?

599
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,000
So,

600
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,079
but I'm just I'm just one person.

601
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:02,720
I think well I know how

602
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:10,870
it's all complaint

603
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:26,710
also.

604
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,280
So, I'm just like,

605
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,800
um,

606
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,119
>> yeah. Well,

607
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:36,000
um,

608
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,160
we I'm glad we have bread in there. I

609
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,200
really am, but maybe I've just been the

610
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,920
unlucky guy to get the sticky ones. So,

611
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,119
the smelly guy, by the way,

612
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:50,400
just so you know, um, I don't think

613
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,079
Travis was there yet, but I complained

614
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,000
about it under the previous mayor.

615
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,560
That's how long it's been. and then

616
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,640
nothing happened. And then I noticed

617
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,680
that the owner of the building was the

618
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,359
largest donor at the time I looked to

619
00:37:05,359 --> 00:37:09,040
the mayor's re-election campaign. And so

620
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,720
that's where you think that's code code

621
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,440
helps that, right?

622
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,470
>> But

623
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,240
and that's the and the question I've

624
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:22,079
always asked when we're writing code. We

625
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:24,560
have to write code that the next person

626
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:30,240
is going to be able to understand and enforce. So,

627
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:33,040
um, if you're telling me we don't need

628
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,320
to change the maze to the shs

629
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,440
and uh,

630
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,920
we won't change the maze to the shs.

631
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,960
>> Well, and I think the biggest impact is

632
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,400
going to be from the fact that we've

633
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,560
gone from $25

634
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,320
to 50 75 and 15. So the longer you

635
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,680
ignore us, the more painful it gets.

636
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,280
Whereas that was never anything to worry

637
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,240
about before. It was small enough that

638
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:05,760
people would blow me off.

639
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,520
>> Especially if you're renting a space for

640
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:08,960
more than that a day and you're renting

641
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,560
a couple hundred. Dave has something to

642
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:23,750
say.

643
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:29,589
I um

644
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:33,920
» yeah so you'll see you'll see in in we

645
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,680
have to pay attention to the shoods and

646
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,000
the shallows and that's the may shoulds

647
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,839
and shall and that's where that's why I

648
00:38:39,839 --> 00:38:41,119
was like I want to change this from a

649
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:46,320
may to a shall you know so Um

650
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:52,480
I think we can uh leave it alone. I will

651
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,640
be paying attention to see what kind of

652
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,200
u

653
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,400
things happen there, right? Because this

654
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,760
city is not going to get smaller

655
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,240
and uh

656
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,240
we've got a lot of industrial land. So I

657
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:12,000
hear to build on and you know more

658
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,670
problems we can have. So

659
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,200
That being said, let's go back to the

660
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:26,150
red lines and discuss them all and um

661
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:33,510
get Mike up to speed.

662
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,920
So, um that one

663
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,160
kind of clarified basketball hoops. So,

664
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,000
if somebody in the city wants to go look

665
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,000
and see Yes. Basketball hoops are

666
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,520
illegal and it also made so odors were

667
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,320
only covered in development code before.

668
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,040
This puts them over there in in our

669
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,510
nuisance code

670
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:02,069
» out in the streets. Yeah.

671
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:05,839
And then the the next frame

672
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:08,400
changes things from being a misdemeanor

673
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,359
to a civil offense.

674
00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:15,200
And Then the next frame outline out

675
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,920
outlines those civil offenses

676
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,520
um

677
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,280
which are graduating. So that and then

678
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,240
quite honestly on a lot of things when

679
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,960
it's um

680
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,119
uh somebody that

681
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:38,400
can't m can't maintain their yard u has

682
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,880
some leeway before these go into effect

683
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,920
with our code but somebody that um

684
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,560
blatantly doesn't maintain their yard.

685
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,839
What part of town you live in?

686
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:58,309
Offensive. Okay.

687
00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:04,630
Oh yeah,

688
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,760
» because um

689
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,440
the misdemeanors are police and courts

690
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,240
and civil we can find

691
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:18,470
nutshell. Good enough.

692
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,990
Trying to get good at this.

693
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,160
Okay. So, that's where it goes up.

694
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,000
The more obstinate you are, the more

695
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,079
expensive it's going to be. And uh

696
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:36,960
then if you have two violations,

697
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,960
let's say you have two broken down cars

698
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,960
in your yard,

699
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,079
it's 50 bucks a day each

700
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:45,920
according to that. That's the Reader's

701
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,520
Digest version of that. You go ahead and

702
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,079
scroll.

703
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,750
Um,

704
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,720
that's the stuff we talked about

705
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:04,550
in uh referring to 1990

706
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,160
uh

707
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,390
for development code

708
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,400
» because the 1.12 is the CI is the

709
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:19,119
misdemeanor section under for police.

710
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:29,990
Yeah, we we got rid of that. Yeah. Okay.

711
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,240
That's a new addition that talks about

712
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,800
like if somebody's out doing a re- roof

713
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,920
without a permit, they pay double. And

714
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,000
that's in our that's in our fee

715
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,200
schedule, but it's now clear in the code

716
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,319
that we

717
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:51,359
>> So, um well, no, in this case, no. In

718
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:54,640
this case, it does say uh it will be

719
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,160
assessed. So, it is a sh. So, no second

720
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,720
choices. If you're a roofer, you know,

721
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:02,640
you need a roofing permit.

722
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:07,990
>> What about if you're a homeowner?

723
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:14,550
Yeah.

724
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,960
» Well, so it used to be also you if you

725
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,599
did a complete tear off, you needed a

726
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:25,680
permit, but if you were adding that

727
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,760
second layer,

728
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,200
you know, and you weren't doing any

729
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,880
structural repairs to your roof or

730
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,000
anything, um, that didn't need a permit.

731
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,319
And I think that have been an

732
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:38,880
international building code thing. Do

733
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:46,069
you guys know

734
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:47,760
» what was that? I didn't

735
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,560
>> That's in the new international building

736
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,880
code and we have not adopted that one

737
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,359
yet. We're still under 2024.

738
00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:56,480
>> So in

739
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:57,599
>> or 21

740
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:01,280
>> in 21 are we needing a permit to add

741
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,319
shingles?

742
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:04,640
>> Yeah. All the required.

743
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,560
>> Okay.

744
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,800
which by the way is good if somebody

745
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,480
doesn't know they already have three

746
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,000
layers and they can't put a force on

747
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:12,800
there.

748
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,920
>> You know, there's there's

749
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,599
some of this stuff, you know, you think

750
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:19,359
about if you ever had to have an

751
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:21,119
insurance claim and they find out you

752
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:22,480
didn't pull a permit for something

753
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,319
that's you know, a lot of this is for

754
00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:27,040
the homeowner's own protection,

755
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,119
you know,

756
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:34,630
not just the wiring stuff.

757
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,839
used to be.

758
00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:41,119
>> I think it's two.

759
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:44,560
>> You can't go over two.

760
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:51,910
>> It adds more. I'm sure

761
00:44:51,920 --> 00:45:04,470
the roofing lobby

762
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,760
» got to wait for the new IBC to come out

763
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:17,910
before you add a layer.

764
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,520
Um,

765
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,880
so the next section, Mike, is where we

766
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,280
took the smell part out of that standard

767
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,800
sighted for

768
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,520
>> Southwest Clean Air. Swapa,

769
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:34,960
they call themselves. I don't know.

770
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,400
Maybe I just my hearing I always thought

771
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:36,720
they were

772
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:42,870
>> Swaka.

773
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:49,349
Yeah,

774
00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:50,319
» for the smells.

775
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:53,680
>> I don't know.

776
00:45:53,680 --> 00:46:03,030
>> Yes, I I'll look them up here. Um,

777
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:14,630
miss

778
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:20,550
Southwest Clean Air Agency, SWCA.

779
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,599
Do we want to add that correction to

780
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:30,550
that while we're here?

781
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,160
And so, actually, there's still

782
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,280
cover pollutants. what what the other

783
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,520
two things that we left

784
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,160
um

785
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,599
still covers pollutants and dust and

786
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:50,160
everything. So even it might smell but

787
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,920
also be a pollutant, right? We're going

788
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,920
to

789
00:46:53,920 --> 00:47:00,390
have their involvement there

790
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:08,950
and

791
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,960
I missed that one. Oh. Oh, yeah.

792
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,200
>> That's um I think isn't most of that

793
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,000
already in

794
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,359
>> it's a clarification.

795
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:26,069
>> Yeah, that's a clarification. So,

796
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:29,920
um, so what is the code

797
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,280
on like in the county

798
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,800
and

799
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,319
when you get a permit from the county,

800
00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:37,760
they give you a thing you have to staple

801
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,359
up, put on a post at the street that

802
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:42,319
says I have a permit. Do we have that?

803
00:47:42,319 --> 00:47:44,960
And it says we have to post up

804
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,960
>> that I did talk to Mike Williams, the

805
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,240
county um

806
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,480
county building official and he said

807
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,880
that is still in the code.

808
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,079
>> But what about Woodley?

809
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,319
>> And we should be doing that because it

810
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:01,680
is in the building code.

811
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,040
>> Okay.

812
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,079
>> Because that would really help even

813
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:08,240
better, right? When she drives by

814
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:10,319
something and there's an orange.

815
00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:12,720
>> I already know that doesn't have a

816
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:14,400
permit.

817
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,319
I know.

818
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:19,359
>> I guess you do, but I don't know why I

819
00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:21,599
feel like it takes a village. And even

820
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,280
the city guys that are out taking care

821
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,880
of the mowing and everything, they see

822
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,960
something and you know, they should at

823
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,160
least tell you or something, right? You

824
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,640
know, don't get me started on my rocks

825
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,520
in the road stuff, but

826
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,359
um anyway, we're going to start trying

827
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:44,559
to do that somehow. Cool. All right.

828
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:46,319
Maybe if they get a Saturday permit,

829
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:48,319
they get a blue paper to put up or

830
00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:49,119
something.

831
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:51,359
>> Well, then so is there a fine they don't

832
00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:55,829
have it up.

833
00:48:55,839 --> 00:48:57,200
» It's funny because there's so many

834
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,880
places,

835
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,720
>> you know, you have you get this paper

836
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:03,280
and it says post this. But do you even

837
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,200
get your permits because you do

838
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,760
everything online now, right? You get

839
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,920
your permits online.

840
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,200
>> You don't get anything back from the

841
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,640
city.

842
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,599
>> Not anymore.

843
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:18,800
>> But they have to keep the plans on site

844
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,680
as well.

845
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:29,430
>> yeah, that's that's hard to

846
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:30,960
» I don't care if they take a sheet of

847
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,119
plywood and write permit number 26-045

848
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:37,760
on there and put that out there quite

849
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,000
honestly. It shows they have a permit

850
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,839
and where the inspector needs to go,

851
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:43,520
right?

852
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,400
>> So, anyway, that's not on here though,

853
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:52,549
Mike. Okay. So, we can keep scrolling.

854
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:54,400
» That's the odor shall not apply to the

855
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,480
food. We're going to try that

856
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,040
>> and

857
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,680
says residential and commercial. So,

858
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,880
should we add zones to that as well?

859
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,359
>> Uh, no. I put circumstances because

860
00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:19,990
um it might be a res

861
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,589
Correct.

862
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:26,079
» It could be a commercial food truck in

863
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:29,119
an industrial zone in which case it's a

864
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:31,200
commercial circumstance.

865
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,400
>> Yeah.

866
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,160
>> Industrial zone res.

867
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,990
>> Okay. All right.

868
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,400
» And I specifically put the word

869
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,160
preparation

870
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,880
as opposed to

871
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,349
>> processing or something.

872
00:50:49,359 --> 00:51:02,069
Okay.

873
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:04,400
» Yeah. Just

874
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,240
Yeah.

875
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:09,359
Gives it some direction.

876
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:12,400
>> And then down below there's a section on

877
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,559
defines what the development codes that

878
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:17,280
are subject enforcement. This is that

879
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,359
reference because we no longer use land

880
00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:22,400
use codes. We use development codes

881
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,240
because it includes zoning, building,

882
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:32,470
environmental.

883
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,040
This is just a different version of the

884
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,960
ones that we talked about. So this is

885
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,710
just

886
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,440
and then here's the definition for land

887
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,000
use and development code specifically

888
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,200
titles 8 which is 8 and 12 which are the

889
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:54,400
nuisance and um 13 is uh streets or

890
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,720
sorry 12 is streets water sewer 14 is

891
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:02,960
building 15 title 15 is environmental

892
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:08,079
title 16 is subdivision title 17 is the

893
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:10,720
zoning code and title 19 is the

894
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:13,920
administrative code.

895
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,520
So this makes it clear that what code

896
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,599
enforcement is responsible for versus

897
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:23,119
what the police are responsible for.

898
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:25,200
So

899
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,720
Mike, have you done any city code

900
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:31,440
scrolling gone into where it's at a

901
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,800
little bit? Okay. So you know how to

902
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,079
find it?

903
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:37,119
>> Yeah. Um,

904
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:40,640
good. Very good. All right. What else we

905
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,920
got? Penalties.

906
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,319
>> This is in the enforcement section.

907
00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:50,950
>> Yeah.

908
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:56,950
» All right.

909
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,480
Anybody have anything to ask about or

910
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:20,630
add?

911
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,880
And what's funny is it was redone in

912
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,559
some things were redone in 22

913
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:32,720
and a lot of things were not. So anyway,

914
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:33,920
all right.

915
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,559
Everybody happy? Can we conclude the

916
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:39,280
workshop portion? Do we have any public

917
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,349
comment about our workshop?

918
00:53:43,359 --> 00:53:46,960
Sounds good. Pass the

919
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,349
Donna test.

920
00:53:51,359 --> 00:53:53,680
All right, then we'll um close up that

921
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,599
workshop

922
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:59,119
and we'll go on to

923
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:01,440
action items.

924
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,200
And first Approving the minutes of our

925
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,200
July 16th

926
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,440
meeting.

927
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,829
>> We approve the minutes.

928
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:15,440
» You need to call those out. Motion's

929
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,400
been made. Second. Any discussion?

930
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,359
Mike's probably going to stayain.

931
00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:23,119
Um,

932
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:28,079
all those in favor? I There we go. I got

933
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:30,160
when I go to my union meetings once a

934
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,880
month, they read the complete minutes to

935
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:39,829
us

936
00:54:39,839 --> 00:54:44,160
and the AC don't work. All right,

937
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,160
get it rolling here, boys. Okay. So, the

938
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,599
next action item is ordinance number

939
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:56,480
16006 retooling our code to ship it up

940
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:01,829
to city council.

941
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:21,109
I move that we recommend approval of the

942
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:24,630
Nice.

943
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,079
» All right, we're going to call this vote

944
00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:28,960
up. Motion's been made and seconded. Any

945
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,599
more discussion?

946
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:37,910
>> All right, the vote.

947
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,680
» Commissioner what?

948
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,359
>> Commissioner C. Hi,

949
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:42,400
>> Commissioner Matson.

950
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:42,880
>> Hi,

951
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:44,640
>> Commissioner Le.

952
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,240
>> All right. Wow.

953
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:55,990
We got that done by August.

954
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,079
» We did spend well um it was not without

955
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,000
um some hiccups here and there. There

956
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,760
was some presentation stuff that wasn't

957
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,160
available once and we actually had some

958
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,160
other

959
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,000
stuff that took up a bunch of time. So

960
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,559
we were like trying to

961
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:15,599
short version it at the end. But um

962
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:16,319
anyway,

963
00:56:16,319 --> 00:56:20,470
>> was there any?

964
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,680
» No. Um

965
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,000
one one thing we did though that is not

966
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,720
in the code that when we had a meeting

967
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:31,119
with we have state says we have to have

968
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:33,280
a joint meeting with city council once a

969
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,720
year. And in that joint meeting with

970
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:39,520
city council I brought up that

971
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,280
you know, somehow we are u complaint

972
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,040
driven

973
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,720
and

974
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:49,200
we shouldn't be. If staff sees

975
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,280
something, they shouldn't have to wait

976
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,799
for a complaint to do something about

977
00:56:52,799 --> 00:56:55,200
it. And so, uh, the city council all

978
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,119
right, then agreed to it. And actually,

979
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:59,200
the only thing that why they change the

980
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,880
website,

981
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,799
right? Because their website said code

982
00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:05,280
enforcement was complaint driven. So,

983
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,280
you know, that um I think that really

984
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:12,240
helped give a little more um free free

985
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:16,720
reign and she's not out to um

986
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,280
you know be

987
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,079
mean person. She's just protecting Oh

988
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:24,640
yeah, look at you.

989
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:29,280
Protecting the city's interest and um

990
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,799
anyway

991
00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:35,760
um that took care of that and then u

992
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,960
we kind of tossed amount of the fee

993
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,960
change to them then and they actually

994
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,599
got workshops at city council last week

995
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:47,520
because it was a slow news week. They um

996
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,520
covered our stuff too and so they kind

997
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,720
of know what to expect and when they see

998
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,319
this

999
00:57:54,319 --> 00:57:57,760
um hopefully I'll be able to be there to

1000
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:02,319
maybe sell it a little, you know. Um

1001
00:58:02,319 --> 00:58:03,839
I don't think any of the city council

1002
00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:05,200
people are going to have any problem

1003
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,520
because the city council people kind of

1004
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,400
bringing up the same issues that we're

1005
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,880
trying to fix already. So hopefully it

1006
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,799
helps. But anyway, thank you guys for

1007
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:21,280
let's all getting through that. So, um,

1008
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,799
we've got a, um,

1009
00:58:24,799 --> 00:58:46,870
permit activity update.

1010
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,319
» Oh, yeah.

1011
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:52,319
So, I went through and crunched some

1012
00:58:52,319 --> 00:58:58,880
numbers, calculated um building going on in Alder Ash. It's

1013
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,119
148 lots total in there. So far, we have

1014
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:07,200
94 lots that are either occupied or

1015
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,240
actively being built.

1016
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,520
And then we have 54 lots in there that

1017
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,599
there's no permit. They're available.

1018
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:17,599
Building has not started. So that's

1019
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:22,480
Alder Nash. Riverwalk is 48 lots total

1020
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,440
um with only 11 lots so far being

1021
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,520
occupied and they are fully built and 37

1022
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,760
lots available. No permits have been

1023
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,599
pulled yet

1024
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:35,280
for Riverwalk.

1025
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:42,950
>> So is that whether So COO loop

1026
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:47,280
which one's that? So that's the sandbox.

1027
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:48,160
>> Okay.

1028
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,240
>> So the sandbox

1029
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,400
has 85 lots total with 44 of them being

1030
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,480
occupied or currently being built and 41

1031
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:05,030
lots that novailable.

1032
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,720
give you an idea of what's available and

1033
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,720
what's

1034
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:15,190
>> so um

1035
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,520
you're going to have to help me. So

1036
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,599
Alder and Ash,

1037
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:22,640
that's the one on the Lewis River side

1038
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,240
of the

1039
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:28,150
>> funny shaped houses.

1040
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:29,920
Lewis River side of

1041
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,839
>> it's the one next to the elementary

1042
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:33,599
school, North Fork Elementary

1043
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:34,319
>> behind it.

1044
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:34,880
>> Yep.

1045
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,480
>> Okay. So, that's actually PD.

1046
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,880
>> Yeah. Okay. That's Alder and Nash. Okay.

1047
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,880
>> The highlighted ones are the ones that

1048
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,359
are either occupied or currently being

1049
01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:48,470
built.

1050
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,880
» I sold all the ones that don't look at

1051
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,119
another house

1052
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:56,079
>> quite a bit first.

1053
01:00:56,079 --> 01:01:00,789
>> Same thing with Coh

1054
01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:01,520
» are the what

1055
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,920
>> are they

1056
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,440
all

1057
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:10,630
>> the roads are? Yes.

1058
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,359
» Those are

1059
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:15,520
this phase has not been recorded yet.

1060
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,640
>> Oh, okay. That explains that I just

1061
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:28,069
typically I want that backyard

1062
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:29,760
river.

1063
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:30,400
>> Okay.

1064
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,160
>> So that's the one that's on the east

1065
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:33,040
river side

1066
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,640
>> and that's probably the same thing that

1067
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,000
they have some that haven't been

1068
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,760
recorded yet as you get closer to the

1069
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:38,240
river.

1070
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,480
>> Yes. So that's these ones here.

1071
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,280
>> Yeah.

1072
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:51,990
I can't

1073
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,760
» detach.

1074
01:01:53,760 --> 01:02:03,750
>> Yes.

1075
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,119
» I I

1076
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:10,950
>> bet you better.

1077
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,079
So these kind of came in when CO was

1078
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:18,559
going and these are um they specifically

1079
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:22,880
got a increased lot coverage if it is a

1080
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,040
singlestory

1081
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,079
um ranch style because they were looking

1082
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:32,799
in the one to $1.2 million range and for

1083
01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:36,160
seniors that would have um no ADA

1084
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,000
issues.

1085
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,400
this subdivision,

1086
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,079
their price point when they were

1087
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:44,000
originally designing was in the neighbor

1088
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,280
of 400 to 450,000.

1089
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:48,880
So it is

1090
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,280
>> that's a starter house today.

1091
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,599
>> So that is a starter house. Y

1092
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:57,200
>> and those also that was also zoned

1093
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:58,160
>> medium density

1094
01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:58,960
>> MDR.

1095
01:02:58,960 --> 01:02:59,760
>> Yep.

1096
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,920
>> So uh the other one was seven

1097
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,599
>> LDR 75, right?

1098
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:09,119
>> Yes. Their average lot size, I wanted to

1099
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:12,000
say, was closer to 9 to 12.

1100
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,839
>> Yeah. Well, yeah. If you're going to

1101
01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:15,599
sell something for that much money, it's

1102
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:16,960
got to have some yard.

1103
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:21,119
>> Yeah. And then this subdivision with 150

1104
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:24,079
behind the school, their target was 550

1105
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:26,160
to 650. And

1106
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,000
>> I I talked to somebody that bought one

1107
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,799
in there for 530.

1108
01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:36,400
So, but they have uh some CCNRs and HOA

1109
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,119
fees and stuff that I

1110
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:43,440
don't get, you know. So, like you can

1111
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:57,109
only have park dust in your backyard.

1112
01:03:57,119 --> 01:03:58,559
And is that because they have to have

1113
01:03:58,559 --> 01:03:59,760
sprinklers because they're so close

1114
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,160
together and the roads are so skinny.

1115
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,880
>> Irrigation.

1116
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,599
>> Yeah, they do not all need um

1117
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:11,200
sprinklers, but they are have the water

1118
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:15,990
connections for it.

1119
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:24,000
So, so according to Riley, the houses

1120
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,359
that have to have fire sprinklers

1121
01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:29,920
get a one inch connection, but we only

1122
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,599
charge them for a 3/4 or something

1123
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:35,440
crazy. But uh but we have to

1124
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,839
>> that's for the fire sprinklers should

1125
01:04:37,839 --> 01:04:41,119
and and I think because it's a PURD and

1126
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:42,720
everything's so close together and the

1127
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,520
streets are so small.

1128
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,880
Um it would be reasonable that I know

1129
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,079
how our fire department loves sprinklers

1130
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:54,079
that they would require sprinklers

1131
01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:56,640
there. So that's probably why that one

1132
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:57,920
inch connection.

1133
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:02,079
>> Those don't have sprinklers.

1134
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:07,270
But they don't have lines.

1135
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,640
» Yeah. So they I think you are correct.

1136
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,480
They have the one in connections but

1137
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,200
we're only charging them for 3/4 in

1138
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:19,520
because um they are not using the full 1

1139
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:23,599
in connection capacity. So it's a quirk

1140
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:26,400
in our code where since they are not

1141
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,680
producing that much sewer and they are

1142
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,920
using a reduced amount of water

1143
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,240
theoretically the extra capacity for the

1144
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:38,160
1 in is normally required for sprinklers

1145
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,559
and so if they were to put in sprinklers

1146
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:43,039
that's what the systems are designed for

1147
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:45,359
but they can opt not to put sprinklers

1148
01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:50,230
in there

1149
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:59,109
» you have a water meter for a

1150
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:01,839
Yes. So that all has to do with

1151
01:06:01,839 --> 01:06:04,559
>> Yeah. with water meter. When you

1152
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:07,680
>> you when you buy a $260 water meter from

1153
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,799
the city, it's

1154
01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:13,839
$5,000 because the city has to take

1155
01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:16,240
money to set aside for future needs and

1156
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:21,760
development growth. So um that charge is

1157
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,160
based on the size of meter. So, this is

1158
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,880
where they're getting they're getting a

1159
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,480
one inch meter and I I always from from

1160
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,520
Riley it was because

1161
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,440
um it has to be that big for fire

1162
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,160
sprinklers in the house but it doesn't

1163
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:39,839
mean that they don't use that in a

1164
01:06:39,839 --> 01:06:41,520
normal house. So, that's where that

1165
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,599
caveat is. So, that's why I would say if

1166
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:45,280
they have one in meters they probably

1167
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:46,640
have to have fire sprinkers.

1168
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:51,039
>> Well, so that was the original in the

1169
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:55,440
original design called for 1 in meters

1170
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,000
even though they didn't need them. So

1171
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,960
Riley made them install what the

1172
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,839
engineer designed. Well, I was surprised

1173
01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:06,319
the fire department did not require

1174
01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:08,559
sprinklers in those houses

1175
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:24,870
>> because

1176
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,039
» they can make you get sprinklers if if

1177
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:29,200
you're on a flag lot. They will make you

1178
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:29,920
get sprinklers.

1179
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:30,799
>> Yes.

1180
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:34,240
>> If it's if If you're more than 150 feet

1181
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:38,000
on a remote lot from a hydrant,

1182
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,839
>> you have to have sprinklers. So

1183
01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:44,480
>> So like those

1184
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,559
>> So those infill projects like on

1185
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:49,280
Washington and CC Street, the houses out

1186
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,319
front don't have sprinklers, but the

1187
01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:55,359
houses in the back do have sprinklers.

1188
01:07:55,359 --> 01:07:58,160
So the the houses in the back, the flag

1189
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:02,000
lots have 1 in meters, whereas ones out

1190
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:06,470
front of 3/4 in

1191
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,799
» things.

1192
01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:11,760
Okay. All right. So, we are we're done

1193
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,760
interrupting. Was that everything there?

1194
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,200
>> Yep.

1195
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,159
>> So, you think it slowed down some? The

1196
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:20,400
>> Yeah, the permits coming in have slowed

1197
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,719
down a lot. I did want to just mention

1198
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:25,359
really quick and I put this in front of

1199
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:28,640
you guys. It's just a year toate um code

1200
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,679
enforcement update of you can see how

1201
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:34,400
many have been closed and then I also

1202
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,279
highlighted the ones that are in the

1203
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:41,600
notice of order phase. Um but I did want

1204
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,239
to just share some good news and that is

1205
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:48,400
um on 1507 I believe

1206
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,440
the half burnt down apartment

1207
01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:53,520
you know with the

1208
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:57,510
I

1209
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,199
gentle

1210
01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:02,480
to the land

1211
01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:04,560
>> just a little bit

1212
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,640
and they are they came in and they're

1213
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,520
going to be demolishing

1214
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,520
So that's kind of awesome. I I actually

1215
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,520
talked to Chief Gibbs about those. I

1216
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,199
said, you know, you guys get calls there

1217
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:19,359
and he said, we get called. I said, what

1218
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:22,400
are the calls that you're that are

1219
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,080
generated for that? And he said, it's

1220
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,640
usually vandalism,

1221
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,520
and trans. And so I told him, well,

1222
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,159
those are getting demolished. And he was

1223
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:34,480
very happy to hear that.

1224
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:36,719
>> Yes, I'm very happy. There's an easy way

1225
01:09:36,719 --> 01:09:37,679
we could do this

1226
01:09:37,679 --> 01:09:39,839
>> or the hard way.

1227
01:09:39,839 --> 01:09:43,359
>> You know what? It works every time.

1228
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:45,520
>> So, uh,

1229
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,560
>> are you getting any response from 503

1230
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:49,520
Washington Street?

1231
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,679
>> So, he is one of those.

1232
01:09:53,679 --> 01:09:54,560
>> Yeah.

1233
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,159
>> I'm just waiting for the clock to

1234
01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:57,760
finish.

1235
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,159
But, um, I've gotten excellent response

1236
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:04,630
from

1237
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,040
also got excellent response from about

1238
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,920
two other houses on CC

1239
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:14,640
and it's crazy the

1240
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,360
>> better I'm sure the neighbors

1241
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,760
>> they better they better

1242
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,000
P's and Q's on CC street

1243
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:22,640
>> what's that

1244
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,719
>> they better mind their P's and Q's on CC

1245
01:10:24,719 --> 01:10:27,040
street

1246
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,719
>> I

1247
01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:33,199
>> but I'm in the middle Washington also

1248
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:34,880
the

1249
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,800
just across from the corner store. You

1250
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,320
know those apartments right there?

1251
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:39,520
>> Yeah.

1252
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,360
>> I don't know if you guys have noticed

1253
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,800
just the insane amounts of trash,

1254
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,800
garbage, used furniture, mattresses.

1255
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:53,360
>> Um they are repeatedly

1256
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:57,520
repeat offenders and I am about to do a

1257
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,040
notice in order. I sent them their

1258
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,880
second notice but I actually wrote them

1259
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,080
a letter certified mail to the

1260
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:12,550
He said, "Y'all, this isn't okay."

1261
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,159
» Riverside

1262
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:17,760
has all those town home.

1263
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,800
>> No, there's an apartment thing there.

1264
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:30,229
>> Just look for mattress.

1265
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:36,310
» No, it's not.

1266
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,719
How do we know what's designated local?

1267
01:11:38,719 --> 01:11:41,760
>> Oh, okay. Yeah.

1268
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,280
>> Only only, you know, the property

1269
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:44,560
management company. So, you know, it's

1270
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,640
not the housing authority in Vancouver

1271
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:47,199
somewhere.

1272
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:47,600
>> Yeah.

1273
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,920
>> And I have never got a response from

1274
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,719
them and so I just sent them their final

1275
01:11:52,719 --> 01:11:56,870
letter saying

1276
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,320
for littering.

1277
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:02,400
I listed all of it. So, and I sent it

1278
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,280
certified.

1279
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,239
>> Terrible. I have a stack of photos of

1280
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:12,400
just garbage and on the sidewalk.

1281
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:20,709
>> I

1282
01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:22,640
sent it to the property management. It's

1283
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,120
still a city code.

1284
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,320
>> I think um

1285
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:30,870
>> the owner

1286
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:32,640
Absolutely.

1287
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,280
The occupants won't get penalized. It'll

1288
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,440
be the property management,

1289
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:40,719
>> I think. And if it was um um the housing

1290
01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:42,400
authority long, they would have a crew

1291
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:43,600
come out and

1292
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,000
>> get it picked up. So,

1293
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,520
>> we had to have the same conversation

1294
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:53,510
with the meadow park or whatever.

1295
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,600
Same thing. piles of garbage and

1296
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,239
mattresses and it took two weeks to

1297
01:12:58,239 --> 01:12:59,840
track down the property management and

1298
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,880
they were up in Seattle and I found out

1299
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,800
they did not have maintenance guy coming

1300
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,400
in and it was just a hot mess and

1301
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,320
they're on

1302
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,040
>> fantastic. That's that's

1303
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:17,830
wonderful workers.

1304
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,960
Okay. V vacant build buildable land

1305
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:22,640
update

1306
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:28,070
notice. This meeting will be recorded.

1307
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,199
So, um,

1308
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:32,960
this had been asked about at the last

1309
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:37,040
couple meetings for an update and I

1310
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,360
downloaded a bunch of information and

1311
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,920
sorted through the data. And then I came

1312
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,960
to realize kind of after I was done is

1313
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:48,400
there was a bunch of properties missing

1314
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,440
because I kept expecting as I kind of

1315
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:54,960
looked through the data and updated it

1316
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,320
that there was stuff missing. And so I

1317
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,040
didn't realize that until Monday when I

1318
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:02,960
thought I was finished when I

1319
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,280
discovered. So what I did is I pulled

1320
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,640
the 2023 numbers that were prepared as

1321
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,280
part of the comprehensive update. So,

1322
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:15,520
I'm going to show you real quick some data just to give you an idea of

1323
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:19,840
where we are. Um, and that is so we're

1324
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:21,760
going to look at residential,

1325
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,600
commercial, and industrial just some

1326
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,920
generic numbers here. So, our total

1327
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,800
acreage of residential land, so single

1328
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:34,239
family and multifamily is 681.8.8

1329
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:38,080
acres. So 682 acres of residential land

1330
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,840
in the city and um

1331
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,040
in 2023 when we did the vacant land

1332
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,159
analysis there was 97.11

1333
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:52,880
acres that was vacant or vacant with

1334
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,719
approved plans on it. And so you see

1335
01:14:56,719 --> 01:15:00,560
that was broken out here 30 35.3 acres

1336
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,280
of vacant undeveloped and then there

1337
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,239
were proposals that were in for

1338
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:10,960
approval. Now, since that time, 47.3

1339
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,719
acres has been developed or 48% of that

1340
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:20,159
vacant land um has been um

1341
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:25,600
uh subdivided and um is in work. So, of

1342
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:29,679
that, 45 acres is vacant because we had

1343
01:15:29,679 --> 01:15:32,080
a couple projects that were approved and

1344
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:36,239
then ended up not built or got smaller

1345
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:39,199
than so the sandbox went from apartments

1346
01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:42,239
to part of it is homes, part of it is

1347
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:44,400
still vacant. So that's part of the

1348
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,480
reason why the vacant land is more

1349
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:49,840
available now than it was in 2023

1350
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,480
um because we were dealing with COVID

1351
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:57,840
2021 2022 approvals and um when I did

1352
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,600
that analysis in 23 um and then we have

1353
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:05,840
a lot less that is development approved

1354
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,920
but not constructed. And so in addition

1355
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:15,840
to this 49 acres of vacant and available

1356
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:21,040
land, there's also the 105 lots that are

1357
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:24,080
occupied and constructed or in

1358
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,640
construction. And then as Brea was

1359
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,480
mentioning those three subdivisions,

1360
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:31,199
there's still a lot of lots. Basically

1361
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:34,239
50% of those lots are still available.

1362
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:37,440
So although it looks like we've used 48%

1363
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:40,400
of the vacant land, there's still a lot

1364
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,480
of vacant lots within those lots that

1365
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:46,640
have been developed.

1366
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:50,480
So that's kind of a moving number.

1367
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:52,159
And then the other side of the

1368
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:54,800
residential equation is the multifamily

1369
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,679
supply and that was 47.53

1370
01:16:57,679 --> 01:17:01,440
acres in 2023 and 12 of that was vacant.

1371
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:03,520
And then there were several projects

1372
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,120
that were um proposed for development.

1373
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:11,120
And since then 19 of those 35 acres have

1374
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,320
been developed and the units are out

1375
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:18,640
there on the ground. And so um that was

1376
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,440
the smaller subdivision known as the

1377
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:25,120
Sandbox is is specifically the one of

1378
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,640
the lots or one of the projects that was

1379
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,520
developed and there are still 41 vacant

1380
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,080
lots in that subdivision that haven't

1381
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,120
been used but basically we still have

1382
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,800
about 70% of the multifamily land is

1383
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,880
available and there's a couple projects

1384
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,719
on the board so one by um on Fifth

1385
01:17:46,719 --> 01:17:50,239
Street by North Elementary and then

1386
01:17:50,239 --> 01:17:53,600
another sorry Woodland Elementary and

1387
01:17:53,600 --> 01:18:00,560
then there's also 30 units behind the um

1388
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,199
Woodland Corner Store kind of in that

1389
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:05,760
area there between Gordon and the seaw

1390
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:09,040
wall and

1391
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:09,920
>> get legs.

1392
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,199
>> That one's still Yep. They're waiting.

1393
01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:15,760
They have their final engineering now. I

1394
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,400
don't know what they're waiting on. I

1395
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,520
think they're trying to time it so that

1396
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,840
they get their permits before the school

1397
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,159
impact fees go up, even though they're

1398
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:28,159
not necessarily planning on building it

1399
01:18:28,159 --> 01:18:31,440
right away. So when you start seeing

1400
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:33,840
them do site preparation, you'll know

1401
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,760
that those building permits are ready to

1402
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:37,600
go because they've got all their

1403
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,239
engineering.

1404
01:18:40,239 --> 01:18:43,199
>> So um

1405
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:47,679
I have a question that you know we It

1406
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:49,120
was talked about at the city council

1407
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:50,560
meeting and everything that the the

1408
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:54,719
county is planning for 10,000

1409
01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:57,840
extra homes over the next 20 years

1410
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,320
>> and they're going to all lot 2,000 of

1411
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:04,560
that to Woodland.

1412
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,000
So they say and is that 2,000 more based

1413
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,280
on do they have their own inventories or

1414
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,800
based on our inventories from our comp

1415
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,199
plan or

1416
01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:20,719
um where are they where are they getting

1417
01:19:20,719 --> 01:19:23,840
their basis for those numbers.

1418
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,560
>> So that is a question that is still

1419
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,719
hanging out there. At the start of the

1420
01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:30,640
process that was one of their first

1421
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,360
major discussion points and then they've

1422
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:34,960
kind of

1423
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,360
um put that on the back burner. They are

1424
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,520
updating their critical area ordinance

1425
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,000
right now and when they have finished

1426
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,000
with their critical area ordinance

1427
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:47,120
update, they will be turning back to the

1428
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,440
comprehensive plan and kind of

1429
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:53,440
addressing that. We

1430
01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:56,800
did not get a clear answer when we asked

1431
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,719
how they arrived at that number.

1432
01:20:00,719 --> 01:20:04,159
What's that random? Yes. So

1433
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:06,000
>> because we were last like oh we still

1434
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:08,159
need

1435
01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:13,440
>> the leftover amount. Yeah. So um they

1436
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:16,560
have not fully discussed that and part

1437
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,960
of that is because they haven't really

1438
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:23,040
made that final decision. So I think

1439
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,159
that is

1440
01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:27,760
still in the back of their heads but

1441
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,520
they haven't quite put that to paper

1442
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:40,310
yet.

1443
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:44,080
So, so under the growth management act,

1444
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,440
our plans have to be consistent.

1445
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:51,440
However, our plan has to be a lot more

1446
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:55,840
comprehensive than theirs and we are not

1447
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,480
quite sure how commerce is going to

1448
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:02,800
treat that because we did ours last year

1449
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,800
and they're doing theirs this year and I

1450
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,679
been asking this question for five years

1451
01:21:09,679 --> 01:21:12,640
and they've kind of said

1452
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,239
we're going to muddle through this the

1453
01:21:14,239 --> 01:21:17,920
best that we can and It is about time to

1454
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,800
pay the piper and by the end of this

1455
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,440
year we will have muddled to the finish

1456
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:26,000
line and it's either going to be total

1457
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,239
bedum or

1458
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:30,800
everybody's going to roll their eyes and

1459
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,640
snicker and we'll just be inconsistent.

1460
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:44,229
Yeah.

1461
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:47,040
» Can I

1462
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,679
editorialize on that a minute?

1463
01:21:49,679 --> 01:21:53,910
um

1464
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:59,360
we have to plan for a certain amount but

1465
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,960
we don't have to plan the easy stuff

1466
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:08,000
to be developed as part of our plan. So

1467
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:11,840
the easy stuff being expand our

1468
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:13,840
urban growth boundary and annex a bunch

1469
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,880
of we we have a lot more capacity than

1470
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:20,320
people realize inside our city

1471
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:24,159
boundaries now that already have

1472
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:26,480
pipes in the street and everything. And

1473
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:28,880
if we ever expect to complete the

1474
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:32,159
sidewalks in Oldtown and all of these

1475
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:34,719
things, you drive through Oldtown and

1476
01:22:34,719 --> 01:22:36,800
look look in people's yards, it's it

1477
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,360
freaks them out. And um just look at the

1478
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,560
lots and sometimes you can go by four or

1479
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,360
five lots in a row and say this can

1480
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,639
accommodate a mother-in-law. set up an

1481
01:22:48,639 --> 01:22:51,280
ADU, some sort of unit of housing. It

1482
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,920
doesn't have to be a track home in a

1483
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:57,360
neighborhood. And so we

1484
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,560
hopefully will be able to answer to most

1485
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,639
of this assignment, whatever it be,

1486
01:23:04,639 --> 01:23:07,360
with space we already have. Now, the

1487
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:09,040
tough thing is it's hard to get those

1488
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:12,080
lots into the inventory,

1489
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,880
you know, and it's and it's nothing you

1490
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,840
can count on because you can't count on

1491
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,840
somebody's deciding, oh, I'm going to

1492
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,760
put an ADU on my property because it's

1493
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:25,840
the best thing for the city. But in the

1494
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,320
same token, some of these people are

1495
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,510
going to

1496
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:33,360
retire and move to Hawaii or something

1497
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:35,120
like that or leave the house to the kids

1498
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:36,400
and the kids are going to go, "Let's

1499
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,080
knock that old thing down and build a

1500
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,320
forplex," you know, because it can

1501
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,719
happen there. So,

1502
01:23:42,719 --> 01:23:45,760
I'm not saying it's easy,

1503
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:51,040
but it's also not going to happen if you

1504
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,199
make the easy stuff available, you know?

1505
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:58,320
And that's what we're seeing now. with the available land that we have,

1506
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:01,679
it's all the tougher stuff to develop.

1507
01:24:01,679 --> 01:24:04,159
You know, even that even that one with

1508
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:06,719
the by the intermediate school, you

1509
01:24:06,719 --> 01:24:10,800
know, that property was

1510
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:14,080
what 30% wetlands. And so they had to

1511
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:15,840
change some design standards to get

1512
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,639
their their count up to make that pencil

1513
01:24:18,639 --> 01:24:22,239
out. And so we really need and my my

1514
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:24,080
feelings are on this is we really need

1515
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:28,960
to to push the infill and recognize that

1516
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:32,239
there is space to hit that number, but

1517
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:34,320
it's not,

1518
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,880
you know, we don't have to,

1519
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,760
you know, we we just passed a bunch of

1520
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,880
uh code for ADUs and things that the

1521
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:44,560
state told us we had to do. Well, the

1522
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,760
states made that easier and told cities

1523
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,080
they can't zone that stuff out and

1524
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:53,199
things. And so there's there's really a

1525
01:24:53,199 --> 01:24:55,920
lot more lots out there that could

1526
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,800
afford a unit that don't have a unit.

1527
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,960
And and I think we can, you know, and

1528
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,560
even I don't care what Clark K says, we

1529
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:10,560
can we can count the acreage that's in

1530
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:14,159
Clark County that's really hard to

1531
01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:17,199
But we can count it, you know, and it's

1532
01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:19,840
just kind of the psychological of it and

1533
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:21,360
we don't um

1534
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,600
>> so it's a goal they're setting

1535
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:24,480
>> they're

1536
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:26,400
>> Yeah. So you got to remember if you

1537
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:30,560
Google search 98674 growth rate it's

1538
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:32,639
like 2.4%.

1539
01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:35,520
But how much of that a lotment that the

1540
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,840
county is the county going to say, okay,

1541
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,960
you know, a bunch of that is going to be

1542
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,120
homes in the Woodland area but not in

1543
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:44,880
the Woodland city limits. It's not like,

1544
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,440
you know, so the county is going to

1545
01:25:47,440 --> 01:25:48,960
absorb. They're assigning so much to

1546
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:53,520
Castle Rock and so much to Calama and

1547
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,639
so much to us and so much to the county.

1548
01:25:56,639 --> 01:25:58,080
And so,

1549
01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:59,679
>> you know, it's a goal. It's not

1550
01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:01,679
necessarily a

1551
01:26:01,679 --> 01:26:06,880
>> and the whole commerce thing is is you kind of want to try to be compliant

1552
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,560
with commerce when it comes to getting

1553
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,400
grant money and stuff like that. You

1554
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:13,120
know, it's some of the boxes they check,

1555
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:14,480
you know, puts you in front of somebody

1556
01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:17,520
else sometimes. But, um, there's a lot

1557
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,120
of communities out there that are not in

1558
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:21,280
compliance with Congress,

1559
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,400
>> probably Clark County

1560
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,080
>> and they're still getting their stuff.

1561
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:35,350
Yeah. So anyway, yeah, that's the

1562
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:42,950
Yeah, population growth. Yeah.

1563
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:44,960
In the zip code. Did you search the zip

1564
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:46,960
code?

1565
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:48,560
>> That's our zip code.

1566
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:53,510
>> Yeah.

1567
01:26:53,520 --> 01:27:12,629
which is where we came from. It's over.

1568
01:27:12,639 --> 01:27:15,120
Um, thank you for that, Travis. And

1569
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,480
then, um,

1570
01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:20,960
you don't have that where you can throw

1571
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:22,880
it up either. with the dates.

1572
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,520
>> I did not bring that map and I ticked

1573
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,679
myself for that. Oh, but I emailed it to

1574
01:27:27,679 --> 01:27:29,360
you. So, I can

1575
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:30,560
>> you look in your email?

1576
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,960
>> I can look in my email. So, I asked

1577
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:37,440
Travis to do this one. Um, which he I

1578
01:27:37,440 --> 01:27:38,880
mean I'm sure it was some work and I

1579
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,440
really appreciate that he did it because

1580
01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:47,990
um

1581
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,600
there's

1582
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,560
when we're planning I think people get

1583
01:27:52,560 --> 01:28:03,669
scared when they hear numbers and

1584
01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:06,000
This is kind of some fun facts. There's

1585
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:12,070
got to be one with an attachment.

1586
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:17,910
» No, it's next one up. That one.

1587
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:25,510
» Yeah.

1588
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:28,639
» Oh, no. That's the That's the raw maps

1589
01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:47,750
that I used to create.

1590
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,480
Probably put it on some other

1591
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:52,080
conversation and it's going to be harder

1592
01:28:52,080 --> 01:29:13,510
to find.

1593
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,159
There we go.

1594
01:29:16,159 --> 01:29:21,110
Rotate that.

1595
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:25,040
So that's the annexations

1596
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:28,639
and the last annexations in the city.

1597
01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:33,280
Um just kind of to give you an idea. So

1598
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,520
um

1599
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,840
Travis, you want to you want to kind of

1600
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,239
give detail on

1601
01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:43,920
so in 2000 so in 2005 that yellow one

1602
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,639
was um

1603
01:29:46,639 --> 01:29:48,800
over there between the freeway and Green

1604
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:52,800
Mountain Road. What is the um

1605
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:54,480
>> well no Belmont lives on the cross the

1606
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:57,600
road l that stuff was that stuff was

1607
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,639
annexed and zoned in the 1900s

1608
01:30:00,639 --> 01:30:02,880
>> yeah builder supplies there

1609
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:04,719
>> 2007

1610
01:30:04,719 --> 01:30:06,080
>> was um

1611
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:06,639
>> church

1612
01:30:06,639 --> 01:30:08,480
>> was that just the church the high school

1613
01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:09,600
was already zone

1614
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:11,120
>> just the church so this is the high

1615
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:11,760
school

1616
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:13,360
>> they have the high school and a wetlands

1617
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,120
there

1618
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:16,639
and

1619
01:30:16,639 --> 01:30:19,040
Walmart was before that right

1620
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,840
>> uh Yes. So,

1621
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,719
>> so then in 2006 we did some industrial

1622
01:30:24,719 --> 01:30:27,040
on the back side of the Sherman way kind

1623
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:30,320
of stuff. Same thing as in 2004. In

1624
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:32,480
2009,

1625
01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:37,040
Aony's asked to bring all that in as as

1626
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:38,480
like light industrial and heavy

1627
01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:40,880
industrial. It's a mix.

1628
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:44,000
>> And then in 2009,

1629
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:47,040
um the stuff over by the sewer plant was

1630
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,120
brought in.

1631
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,239
And uh so we haven't had you know and so

1632
01:30:52,239 --> 01:30:53,920
if you think about that sewer plant

1633
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,719
property is one of our multifamily

1634
01:30:56,719 --> 01:30:59,440
pieces that is still not developed. Part

1635
01:30:59,440 --> 01:31:02,960
of the um up there by builder first

1636
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:06,159
source is high density residential that

1637
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:10,239
has not been developed. There's

1638
01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:12,239
21 years on the books and they haven't

1639
01:31:12,239 --> 01:31:16,000
been developed you know. So uh in fact

1640
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,159
the school half of the school where the

1641
01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:19,840
church property is supposed to be for

1642
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:24,320
school has never been developed. And

1643
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,000
you know, I just think the takeaway

1644
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,960
there that's developing now

1645
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:32,000
and the other blue one in 2004 is

1646
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,320
developing now.

1647
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,239
It's been 22 years and now they're

1648
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:40,080
selling houses there, you know. So

1649
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:44,950
when these requests come in,

1650
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,040
some of this stuff should be what are we

1651
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:48,960
thinking? in 20 years because we can't

1652
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:51,040
do all this infill for 20 years. We have

1653
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:52,639
to at some point bring some in. But

1654
01:31:52,639 --> 01:31:56,480
that's kind of an idea of what what has

1655
01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:58,480
been done.

1656
01:31:58,480 --> 01:32:01,600
And then of course the market tanked in

1657
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:03,280
2008.

1658
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:05,120
And so that's why a lot of those never

1659
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:07,920
got, you know, people had ambitions and

1660
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,000
they never got started. We can't we

1661
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:11,760
can't tell what the market's going to

1662
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:12,960
do.

1663
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:19,430
Um

1664
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:21,280
some of it was within the urban growth

1665
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:24,080
boundary and we annexed it's different

1666
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:25,600
things for different ones. Some of it

1667
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:28,239
was annexed and never zoned

1668
01:32:28,239 --> 01:32:30,320
you know.

1669
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:33,600
So um

1670
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:39,350
some of it

1671
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:41,040
» right

1672
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:43,440
>> well some of it

1673
01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:47,110
>> oh because

1674
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:50,000
we have unzed

1675
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:51,920
everything

1676
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,400
transformed into a city

1677
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,510
>> matters

1678
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,120
talking

1679
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:03,360
>> so Um, and by the way, Merryweather

1680
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:06,400
is in there in 2005

1681
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:10,320
and Merryweather went bankrupt and a big

1682
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:13,040
chunk of that. Phase three is now a

1683
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:16,880
park, you know, so things change. And

1684
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:18,800
uh, then there's that piece above

1685
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,040
Merryweather that's in the urban growth

1686
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:25,280
boundary that's not been

1687
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:27,040
brought into the city, but it's in the

1688
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:28,880
urban growth boundary right there. So

1689
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:31,120
that's was that in the inventories,

1690
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:33,040
things that are in our in urban growth

1691
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:33,600
boundary.

1692
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,600
>> That's one of the pieces that I was

1693
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:37,040
looking for and

1694
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:38,480
>> and you couldn't find. And then on

1695
01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:40,880
Horseshoe Lake, we have some stuff

1696
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:44,000
inside our urban growth boundary. Right.

1697
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:48,159
So that big chunk down there is in our

1698
01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:49,679
urban growth boundary, but not in our

1699
01:33:49,679 --> 01:33:53,840
city limits. And uh you talk about a a

1700
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:55,840
pressure relief valve for if you just

1701
01:33:55,840 --> 01:34:01,520
want quantity to say we're for it. Um,

1702
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,400
you see it it can be a tool,

1703
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,239
right?

1704
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:08,000
And so those things are there too. So

1705
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:12,239
Travis Travis had to go back to a bunch

1706
01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:13,840
of applications and approvals and get

1707
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:15,440
all of those dates and everything for us

1708
01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:23,270
and then put them together on a map. And

1709
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:31,270
Was

1710
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:34,159
all of that west of the railroad tracks

1711
01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:36,719
>> or east of the railroad track?

1712
01:34:36,719 --> 01:34:41,590
>> Yes.

1713
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:45,750
» Sorry.

1714
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:55,270
» Not

1715
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:58,639
out here beyond the church. Yeah, beyond

1716
01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:00,400
the church is all county

1717
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:02,560
>> and even on the south side across from

1718
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,600
the high school is in the county

1719
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:16,229
>> and that's not even in the UV

1720
01:35:16,239 --> 01:35:25,189
» that is

1721
01:35:25,199 --> 01:35:44,709
across Freeway from there.

1722
01:35:44,719 --> 01:35:59,030
I've walked my dog down there.

1723
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:03,199
I don't know of anything. So, is it back

1724
01:36:03,199 --> 01:36:06,480
here towards

1725
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:08,320
>> where the fields are? There's a there's

1726
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,239
like a little path that runs all along

1727
01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:25,030
the perimeter

1728
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:30,790
» that's um mitigation.

1729
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:54,470
So they can maint maint

1730
01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:56,639
is that leg right there. All that leg

1731
01:36:56,639 --> 01:36:59,040
that's north of the school, north of the

1732
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:00,320
substation

1733
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:02,480
>> and it's all

1734
01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:05,199
owned by the port wetland mitigation.

1735
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:07,199
It's a joint

1736
01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:11,040
part of when they dret the river. So

1737
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:15,830
they can maintain that,

1738
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:22,080
you know, binding to dredge. So

1739
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:36,629
I saw a dozer out there, but that's not

1740
01:37:36,639 --> 01:37:47,430
I'm just trying to get

1741
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:49,119
» Yeah, I can't buy a piece of property

1742
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:51,440
and do RV parking,

1743
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:55,270
but um

1744
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,709
Right.

1745
01:37:58,719 --> 01:38:01,040
Just I'm not bitter. I'm just saying.

1746
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:04,229
Yeah.

1747
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:08,320
Thank you, Travis. That's um educational

1748
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:10,880
piece, I think.

1749
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:14,400
>> Okay. And then on the on the industrial

1750
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,400
and commercial, we'll get to these real

1751
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:19,679
quick. The commercial property total

1752
01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:24,400
acreage was 296 acres and 2013 there was

1753
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,960
119.4

1754
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:30,320
that was vacant although we did have a

1755
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:32,159
significant chunk of that was approved

1756
01:38:32,159 --> 01:38:37,040
for development. Um and by 2026

1757
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:41,119
there is still uh 92.66

1758
01:38:41,119 --> 01:38:45,440
acres vacant and there is actually more

1759
01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:47,440
in development,

1760
01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:50,719
but it's expiring so quick I figured I

1761
01:38:50,719 --> 01:38:53,119
would just I mean within a couple months

1762
01:38:53,119 --> 01:38:55,600
it will expire. And this is Logan's

1763
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:58,639
Landing over there off of Belmont Loop,

1764
01:38:58,639 --> 01:39:00,480
south of Belmont Loop. There's that big

1765
01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:03,840
field there. It's set to expire within a

1766
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:06,400
month or two, so it's unlikely to

1767
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:13,270
proceed. So I just dropped it off. But

1768
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:16,400
» did that include multifamily?

1769
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:20,560
>> It did. Yep. And that's about to expire.

1770
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:24,400
Um so we've had 24

1771
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:26,880
acres of commercial development and that

1772
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,600
includes like the builder for source,

1773
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:31,679
some other smaller ones here and there,

1774
01:39:31,679 --> 01:39:35,280
but that one is a pretty big chunk of

1775
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,119
our commercial land.

1776
01:39:37,119 --> 01:39:39,360
How are they doing with the rest of that

1777
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:44,239
with their army engineer per

1778
01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:46,960
they got their stuff back from the

1779
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:50,639
>> Yes. So like for the critical area

1780
01:39:50,639 --> 01:39:54,320
permit to move that dirt pile that's

1781
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,199
been stacking up forever. They finally

1782
01:39:57,199 --> 01:40:00,560
got it at least sealed off.

1783
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:03,040
>> Now they're going to

1784
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:05,520
get widened.

1785
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:08,000
Eventually the rest of that will be

1786
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:09,760
widened. You can see that

1787
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:11,360
>> is there going to be turn lanes here?

1788
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:13,600
>> That new access point will I think

1789
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,400
eventually have an extra center turn

1790
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:17,360
lane.

1791
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:19,920
>> And will we get a turn lane for the

1792
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:22,639
Chevron into Belmont L? That's getting

1793
01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:24,000
dangerous.

1794
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:28,239
>> Yeah, I don't know that off the top of my head

1795
01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:31,040
right now.

1796
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:33,600
I I think we need to have some kind of

1797
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:36,080
registry for near misses there because,

1798
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:37,679
you know, people have to shoot out there

1799
01:40:37,679 --> 01:40:39,920
because they can't

1800
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,000
see, especially from the roundabout

1801
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:44,880
side, anything coming and so they jump

1802
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:46,880
out in front of people and and I know

1803
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:50,320
I've had three near misses and I mean

1804
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:52,800
cram my brakes in the last two months on

1805
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:56,960
I know I drive that piece a bunch, but

1806
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:59,600
>> I go the speed limit. You will go around

1807
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,639
me if you saw me. Okay. Oh, here's the

1808
01:41:02,639 --> 01:41:05,440
old man in that Toyota.

1809
01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:07,760
>> You don't know.

1810
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:10,239
It's blue.

1811
01:41:10,239 --> 01:41:13,040
Are they

1812
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:13,840
>> okay?

1813
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:16,000
>> Oh, yeah.

1814
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:17,600
I'm not the one they complain about

1815
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,840
racing down pay route. Let me tell you

1816
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:21,760
that.

1817
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:23,920
>> And then the last one we have here is

1818
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:26,560
industrial. We have a thousand a little

1819
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:29,760
over a thousand acres in the city and

1820
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:34,400
the vacant in 2023 was 9 691 or

1821
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:38,000
basically 700 acres and a lot of that is

1822
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,320
still in agricultural use. Then there's

1823
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:42,480
a bunch of open ground that would be

1824
01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:47,760
developable or is developable and um a

1825
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:51,360
bunch of it was in development in 2023.

1826
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:54,960
So 218 of those

1827
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:58,000
have moved into development and that's a

1828
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:00,000
little deceptive because for example

1829
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:02,400
Columbia River carbonates is now on the

1830
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:05,360
other side of peacin huge property and

1831
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:08,480
it's marked as developed but it's you

1832
01:42:08,480 --> 01:42:11,440
know 60% of the property is still vacant

1833
01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:14,800
but it dropped off for tax coding it is

1834
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,520
considered developed so these are not

1835
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:21,199
pure numbers but um we still have a

1836
01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:23,600
significant amount of property that is

1837
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:25,840
development like for example the Traml

1838
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,560
Pro properties with those warehouses

1839
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,679
those are technically not finished and

1840
01:42:31,679 --> 01:42:35,679
so they are still in the inventory as

1841
01:42:35,679 --> 01:42:37,679
develop

1842
01:42:37,679 --> 01:42:41,840
but not vacant so I'm kind of juggling

1843
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:43,840
these numbers here but it gives you an

1844
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:47,119
idea basically about 30% of it the

1845
01:42:47,119 --> 01:42:51,040
problem is is that from Treml Crow south

1846
01:42:51,040 --> 01:43:08,870
so I'll switch to the map real Quick

1847
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:12,320
map. Um

1848
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:15,679
the So the Traml Crow is in this

1849
01:43:15,679 --> 01:43:18,320
property right here.

1850
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:21,990
And

1851
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:27,520
Yep. This is property and

1852
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:29,360
all the way to here and then we're

1853
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:32,080
starting to get some development here.

1854
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:36,880
But the sewer is can only go to this

1855
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:39,040
point here.

1856
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:41,360
All of this portion of the city down

1857
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:47,520
here has no sewer service to it because

1858
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:51,679
um of elevation issues and the in the

1859
01:43:51,679 --> 01:43:55,040
storm the sewer system. Sorry.

1860
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:59,040
All of this property here drains north

1861
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:02,320
through a series of lift stations that

1862
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:05,920
takes it up to exit 22, comes down 22,

1863
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:08,639
and then comes down water treatment

1864
01:44:08,639 --> 01:44:13,360
plant which is right here. So, um we are

1865
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:17,199
at the capacity for this piping system

1866
01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:19,679
and we are going to have to develop this

1867
01:44:19,679 --> 01:44:23,520
land and there's about I want to say 350

1868
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:28,000
acres south of this point that we're

1869
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:29,520
going to have to find a new route for

1870
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:33,520
the sewer for it to ever be developed.

1871
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:35,119
You're looking at four or five lift

1872
01:44:35,119 --> 01:44:40,480
stations to relay daisy chain to get

1873
01:44:40,480 --> 01:44:42,880
that part of the city online.

1874
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:43,520
>> Y

1875
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:45,840
>> but um

1876
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:48,239
industrial customers can have their own

1877
01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:50,880
wastewater treatment plants.

1878
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:52,960
You know, there is there is other

1879
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:57,679
things, but for us to handle it and uh

1880
01:44:57,679 --> 01:45:03,360
whatnot, it's

1881
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:04,960
until something is done there. It's kind

1882
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:13,109
of locked up

1883
01:45:13,119 --> 01:45:18,629
as

1884
01:45:18,639 --> 01:45:20,400
I mean where does sewer improvements

1885
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:32,870
come from?

1886
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:38,790
We can and we are

1887
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:40,719
» we're kind of wrestling that with it

1888
01:45:40,719 --> 01:45:43,280
right now because

1889
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:45,360
we are trying to get Roseway to come

1890
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:47,280
down to Capes.

1891
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:50,400
Um so we will have adequate cross

1892
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:53,199
circulation and the water man comes

1893
01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:57,040
along to this point. So

1894
01:45:57,040 --> 01:46:01,199
the water main would be easily looped on

1895
01:46:01,199 --> 01:46:04,159
this location and this would come down

1896
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:06,800
that road would come down to capable but

1897
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:11,119
there's no sewer for it to go into and

1898
01:46:11,119 --> 01:46:13,199
the problem that we have at this north

1899
01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:16,800
end of town is capacity issue through

1900
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:19,600
the daisy chain of lift stations that we

1901
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:22,560
have and the wastewater treatment plant.

1902
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:25,440
We have plenty of capacity

1903
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:28,800
We just have total suspended solids and

1904
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:31,920
BOD. So the actual stuff that goes in

1905
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,159
there, we would have to do something

1906
01:46:34,159 --> 01:46:36,960
about getting pre-treatment at the

1907
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:39,760
industrial users. So for example, Walts

1908
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,239
meets, they have a lot of gunk in their

1909
01:46:42,239 --> 01:46:44,320
discharge. It's not that the discharge

1910
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:47,280
is too much.

1911
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:50,080
It is too much for the pipes. But if we

1912
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:52,480
fix the pipes, it won't make a

1913
01:46:52,480 --> 01:46:55,040
difference because at that point we get

1914
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:57,199
too much dirty water to the wastewater

1915
01:46:57,199 --> 01:46:59,920
treatment plant. It can take capacity,

1916
01:46:59,920 --> 01:47:04,000
just not the total suspended solids and

1917
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:07,199
it. So we're trying to figure out, okay,

1918
01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:08,960
how are we going to do that? Right now

1919
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:12,320
the limiting factor is the lift stations

1920
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:14,880
and the pipe sizes, how much liquid we

1921
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:16,880
could get through there.

1922
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:20,560
Once we get this southbound path to the

1923
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:22,560
wastewater treatment plant, that will

1924
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:26,080
free up a ton of liquid capacity in the

1925
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:28,800
system, which means as we get more

1926
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:30,800
infill and more development at the north

1927
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:32,800
end of town. We don't need to make

1928
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:34,639
improvements because now there's plenty

1929
01:47:34,639 --> 01:47:36,800
of room.

1930
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,520
We have we've created breathing space

1931
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:42,080
for

1932
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:46,239
>> what zoning allows data centers.

1933
01:47:46,239 --> 01:47:48,320
Well, we don't have to worry about that

1934
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:50,080
because we don't have the water capacity

1935
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:52,080
or the water rights for that. So, we

1936
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:53,920
won't deal with that.

1937
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:57,119
>> So, um

1938
01:47:57,119 --> 01:48:00,000
all of that area

1939
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:02,960
um

1940
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:06,320
I think it's going to be

1941
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:08,320
interesting to see how with the Traml

1942
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:11,360
Crow and some of the big producers we've

1943
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:14,639
had over there, um how the surface water

1944
01:48:14,639 --> 01:48:20,639
changes and storm surface water because

1945
01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:22,560
um that water that ground doesn't take

1946
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:25,840
water and you know there's wet bottom

1947
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:30,639
ponds and things and and there's um

1948
01:48:30,639 --> 01:48:33,119
confusion over who's responsible for our

1949
01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:34,639
storm water and I think we've got some

1950
01:48:34,639 --> 01:48:37,360
things we've got to settle out with that

1951
01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:39,840
as well before my in my opinion is

1952
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:43,920
before we annex anything

1953
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:46,239
the city. We've got we've got to know

1954
01:48:46,239 --> 01:48:47,840
how all that's getting handled. And

1955
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:50,320
that's it seems like our dying district

1956
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:52,320
doesn't want to be a dying and drainage

1957
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:55,440
district, but we pay

1958
01:48:55,440 --> 01:48:58,400
for that all the way

1959
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:00,480
up to

1960
01:49:00,480 --> 01:49:02,400
um

1961
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:05,199
Belmont Loop and those properties. All I

1962
01:49:05,199 --> 01:49:07,119
know I'm across the street. I don't pay

1963
01:49:07,119 --> 01:49:10,000
into the dining district, but

1964
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:11,679
you know, we have all seen that flood,

1965
01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:13,679
right? We've all

1966
01:49:13,679 --> 01:49:15,840
some of that you got to go, boy, what's

1967
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:16,960
going to happen? Well, we're gonna have

1968
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:18,320
to find out what's going to happen and

1969
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:21,440
find out how it's going to be handled

1970
01:49:21,440 --> 01:49:24,639
because the best available science

1971
01:49:24,639 --> 01:49:30,000
um doesn't seem like it's perfect. So,

1972
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:31,760
anyway,

1973
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:34,639
those are the things we will be looking

1974
01:49:34,639 --> 01:49:38,629
forward to.

1975
01:49:38,639 --> 01:49:40,800
Mr. Bson, anybody else have any

1976
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:45,030
questions?

1977
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:52,390
school. No school next

1978
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:52,719
time.

1979
01:49:52,719 --> 01:49:54,159
>> Ra is over there going. Motion to

1980
01:49:54,159 --> 01:49:56,000
adjourn.

1981
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:58,000
>> I move to adjourn the planning

1982
01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:00,400
commission.

1983
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:02,080
All those in favor.

1984
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:05,600
>> All right. Thank you everybody.

1985
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:07,280
Shut this off. I don't know if it was

1986
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:15,030
ever really on.

1987
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:17,760
Are you let's get personal. Oh, we can't

1988
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:22,000
talk too much. We um still career man or

1989
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:29,430
retired or

1990
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:47,030
school.

1991
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:49,600
I taught truck driving at heavy at West

1992
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:52,400
Coast training