Is that right?
Yeah, nice thing about
» I don't see Any
interest?
I guess she emailed me.
You were the brave stood.
My wife
absolutely
I think it's important.
Okay,
we'll call to order.
See if I'm
We'll call to order
this August 20th meeting of the Woodland
Planning Commission. And we will start
with the pledge of allegiance.
All right.
Take roll call.
>> Commissioner Matson
>> Commissioner Watt
>> Commissioner Lewis
>> Commissioner Simpson
>> here.
Commissioner Red has not arrived yet.
>> Um
I don't know if this is like cancelled.
Do we need a vote to excuse her?
So let's go ahead and um somebody make a
motion.
» All right. Motion's been made and
seconded.
All those in favor? Hi. All right.
This time,
one of the most important
things of our meeting is um citizen for
communication for items not on the
agenda.
You have anything.
I as well
» I move that
[laughter]
>> second.
» All right. All right.
» So, um,
next thing would be agenda approval.
>> I move that we approve the agenda as
presented.
>> Discussion.
I have some you know, on this agenda is
an action item for our
um
code enforcement stuff and if we're not
ready to take action, we can table it at
that time. Okay, just so everybody's
aware.
All right, so
we don't have to roll call that vote.
>> I am not. I'm just I want everybody to
be satisfied.
Do we need to call that vote out?
» Are there any objections?
>> Anybody object?
>> No.
>> All those in favor of the agenda as
presented?
>> All right,
enough of the books. All right, we are
on to workshopping
the retooling our code which is going to
result in ordinance 1606
and
>> actually
>> oh shoot I'm sorry thank you
always love being corrected um so
September meeting
we uh Travis is going to be out of town
on the 17th and 18th. And
we
can either move it
or
cancel it
which at this time
we don't have any really any heavy duty
projects once we finish the retooling
our code.
Um
I think everything would be like
formative stuff and we are in compliance
with the state so far on how many
meetings we have. So
um
we're workshopping.
I think we should move it to
I mean unless you have any driving
concerns.
» Yeah. No long pants next month.
>> Okay. So, um
That seems to be a good consensus.
We need to take action on that or just
that's what we've agreed to do and that
workshop is over. See how easy this is?
>> So you have an unrealistic idea how the
rest of this goes to work.
>> So move to cancel the meeting on the
17th.
So, as a workshop, you don't have to
take action. It's your opportunity to
direct staff to do stuff.
» Okay,
we're all in agreement. We're not having
a September meeting.
Change your calendar, Dave.
[laughter]
Okay.
So, um,
that means we're moving into our
workshop on ordinance6006, retooling our
code that I brought up earlier. And, um,
we've got,
do you want to do staff report here,
Travis? Is that the best thing to do or
Sure.
>> Um, so for the record, my name is Travis
Goddard, community development director
for the city of Woodland. And um we have
had a couple workshops on these um code
changes over the last several months.
And there was one change that was
requested at the last meeting. And um it
is outlined here on the um cover letter.
And I will quickly scroll down to the
code sections. And specifically the
issues that have been brought up is um
the issue of
uh including in our nuisance language
basketball hoops in the streets and
blocking sidewalks and the issue
associated with odors and making it
clear that that odors um will be
something that's pursued by code
enforcement. And the issue that was
brought up was the desire to make sure
that the language does not include food
preparation. So like whether it's
Daddy's De's barbecue or a food truck or
a restaurant that just because you can
smell it next door, it doesn't
necessarily means it's
>> that means the neighbor's trigger.
>> Yeah.
>> Right.
>> So So there are two sections where we
added that in there and in this case um
as identified here we just added a
sentence that says, "This shall not
apply to odors caused by the preparation
of food in a residential or commercial
circumstance." So, unless you have some
language changes for that, it's pretty
straightforward. I think
>> I'll take this I'll take this moment,
Mike, to answer your question about is
there anyone
background? So, the background on this
is um there is a company in town that
makes um
fertilizer for the grow industry. And
they had a um centriuge evaporator,
centrifical evaporator that basically
was supposed to cook the water out of
the other wash down chemicals. It was it
was everything they were washing down.
So it wasn't just the fertilizer. It was
wash down chemicals with the fertilizer.
And it um
had quite the odor. I'm sure you've
smelled it. And it was um really
important to me because I was losing
business at my business because of it as
well. And so and we don't know about the
health implications from it. Our old
code said that
Southwest Washington Clean Air
uh was was responsible for
and
whatever code
Washington deemed was the one that would
be enforced. So even though we had a
code that said you keep your smell on
your property,
Southwest Washington, it was arbitrary,
they could come out and say, "Well, it's
bad, but it's not bad enough to and that
was what was happening." And they
blatantly said they don't enforce
anybody else's code. So yes, I'm 150
yards away and I s it, but we don't
So that's the background to the need for the
change in the first place. And so it has
been removed from one of the basically
three pieces of code
that still refer to clean air for us to
have them help us with. But odors is not
and it was true and I think reasonably
brought up but
We don't want somebody putting, you
know, restaurants been here for 20 years
out of business because they don't like
the smell or the
vegans complaining about the neighbor
cooking st. So that's where
um that idea for doesn't apply to food
preparation comes into play. And
hopefully that takes care of that.
after
Brea came on board and Brea
really
stayed on them and they figured out that
they're not going to be able to they
were just not honest about oh we're
doing this and we're doing that. After
Brea came on board they figured out that
this is going to start getting serious
and uh they replace the machine with a
different process. So the machine's
gone, the odor's gone. And
unfortunately, the people from Clean Air
told me that they didn't have any way to
tell
what kind of emissions were in that
plume.
They just knew it was a plume. And the
permit actually was um originated
because they needed to burn so much
natural gas to run that machine. It was
for the carbon dioxide. The permit was
for carbon dioxide and steam which are
both odorless. So
anyway, that's the whole and I mean and
that's from back in
2022
probably that got started. So it was a
long
road. I wasn't on the planning
commission back then. Um,
so now that's the background and here we
are.
Whatever. Somebody's complain about
whatever if because it's complaint
driven. So it'll just depend on if I
receive a complaint about something else
like I did get a complaint about a
septic smell and I got the joy of
smelling it and sure enough
had like cracked. So
» we're workshopping. Go ahead.
[laughter]
That's Yeah, that's good.
Mhm.
» Yeah.
I've been smelling the dog food plant a
little bit more. I think that's what it
is.
>> You think the dog food plant kind of
depends on the weather. And so they got kind of a free pass for the
longest time because so PDM I was buying
steel at PDM next door and it was
horrible and I said, "Doesn't that smell
bug you?" And they said, "Oh, it's just
a dog food plant. They've always been
there. I'm like, look at the look at the
wind. Look at the steam. The wind is
going away from the dog food plant.
That's not the dog food plant. You have
any idea what you're breathing? You
know, and I was about to to the point of
contacting the the safety directors for
Lifeport and the other businesses and
saying, "Hey, you know, this is what
this is and you're responsible for your
employees health and what they're
breathing, even if it's from the
neighbors. you know it's it's up but
fortunately
it one day the machine just got removed.
So,
um
any comments there, questions?
So, um
at the last meeting
I talked about when we got down into
like 19, right? enforcements in 19
chapter 19
and uh
go ahead and go on down there. Stop.
Um
I guess so
I had asked about uh turning some of the
maze into shs
on, you know, where especially when it
comes to uh development code stuff.
Um it's not what is in there? But I'd
asked about it and it kind of got
sidelined
where it says that the um
shall be
I like the idea.
discussion.
>> So, I I like the idea of giving staff a
little discretion, too. But what about
when it comes to um the environmental
code?
>> That's where
I just
find
Okay.
» I Right.
So,
>> I don't think
>> that's not what I'm thinking of at all.
And that's not um
even covered in our environmental code.
That's covered in our nuisance code.
Okay.
>> I'll just say this really quick. I mean,
currently, how it is written, I've had
no problem
getting the job done and enforcing when
needed. And I don't know if it really is
that
important to go through and change that
one little word. I I know I'm going to
enforce it.
>> Okay. So,
>> but I do like the flexibility of working
with
>> if you if you go so far with something
and then you you hit a wall,
then it goes on to the director, right?
the responsible official
>> they start
>> 1990 12
>> they start getting penalties and fines
and then you take a lean out that's
» correct
>> so we had Mike Laboki in here for his
reaver zone request he wasn't here the
first time but he was out of compliance
on those properties with parking trucks
selling truck parking and not
um having any of the storm water
permitted, no separators, no nothing.
So, he wasn't at the first meeting. So,
at the second meeting, I sat here and
told him, "You got to have the storm
water done. You got to have permits
before you open a business there. Before
you start parking trucks, you can't let
that stuff end up in the storm water."
and he's advertising. Are you aware of
this?
>> Yes.
>> He's advertising storage on Craigslist
and there's trucks there and signs and
everything. So,
» yes.
So, there's no there's
>> there's no there's no occupancy pyramid.
Correct.
>> And that's correct. And it's final
engineering. I'm expecting that. So,
>> don't we the engineering and the work
and then open for business.
>> Yes, that's supposed to occur.
>> How are we to get
things to occur how they're supposed to
occur? But we change
199120.
» Well, we need to
So, and so this is not this is not
somebody's nuisance. This is not
somebody's yard. This is not some this
is a a blatant
u ignor ignoring our development code.
Just blatantly ignoring the code and and
figuring that apologies cheaper than
asking.
So, I did start a code enforcement case
and I reached out to him and his
engineer and his sister and I sent an
email saying, "Hello, we're still
waiting for payment on your fence permit
that you've already built." And I'm
curious what's going on with the storing
of trucks in that parking area as that
has not even been approved yet. And I
immediately got a bunch of invoices paid
for from him, which is a start, but he
did not touch on that other he was out
of town. So I was kind of waiting for
him to get back to go. I didn't know.
Did you agreement with Mike that I was
unaware of. I don't want to just start
doing stuff before I have all the
details. And so that's where we're at
right now.
» A month.
>> Yeah.
So um
it's not
that
» I when I don't know when you live
downstream from it you're more aware of
And then you wonder where it's h where
else is it happening, you know, but the fact of the matter is if they park
something in there that's loaded with a
liquid and it leaks, it's going to end
up in the waterway that goes to
neighbors properties.
>> No.
» Yeah. And anyway, that's where um if we
don't change this May to a shall what
can we do for for these things for them
to be you know
and and and just in my you know I know a
lot of people have complained about
things that have gone on on the sand
pile and you know just the neglect for
our code there and you know I don't see
everything I know what I see in my
neighborhoods and what I see in my
neighborhood neighborhoods is Jeffrey's,
you know, running them up and doing
things that they're not permitted for a long time. And so what do we do to
shake their boots?
So
I don't know that we need any additional
code changes for that. Part of it is our
philosophy has always been if they're
taking steps to get into compliance,
typically we don't. But there are some
cases where If we have a repeat
offender, we should just go right to the
notice and order. And that's an internal
decision that we have code that would
allow us to make that decision.
So
» yeah, this language has shall
» I don't feel like I need it changed to
do my job.
>> So you guys are looking at 210 and I'm
looking at 120.
>> So that's where
whenever the reasonable official has
believe that a violation of land use
ordinance, rule or regulation will most
be promptly and adequately terminated by
distributes.
I can't fake this administrative notice.
A written notice and order shall be
directed to the person
and
it says what it has to say. And then at
some point here it says
the responsible official may at any time
add to resend in part or otherwise
modify that notice
and um
» so I had it at the last meeting. Um I'll
find it here in a minute.
to the order.
» I Yeah,
>> I did.
» Okay.
May initiate enforcement action.
You're looking at
>> 199100A.
That's what you're looking at.
>> Okay. 199230
suspend may suspend any permits. Um
there's
and that's for for um
there's a few in there, but this is
mostly land use. So it permits
>> and it's not um
» my understanding of the context you're
talking
» um I had it last month and
didn't have my stuff with me.
» Do you feel that
if there's a person that is that is
facilitating
performing mitigation or whatnot because
it says
No,
>> you start
>> I I
» I think if you go to a construction site
and they're doing something that they
haven't gotten permits for, you can put
a stop work order on it, right?
>> Yep.
>> So, if we have a business opened up
without any permits to do the business,
we can put a stop work order on that,
too. Right. We have that ability to do
right now.
>> Y
>> and so
what don't you think people would be
more inclined to come get things done if
they had to stop what they're doing?
>> If we were more liberal. Yeah.
>> If we were more liberal.
with the stop
use orders.
>> Okay.
So, um, they're in the same thing. You
know, we had we had another issue where
a piece of property was just being used
as a a material waste construction waste
storage yard and and they brought a rock
crusher in without any permits and they
did all this stuff and
um no matter how many calls I made to
the city, it didn't get stopped till
finally Travis said to the to the
contractor, "You better call this guy
because he's pretty down on what you're
And when the guy called me, I laid it
out for him and he's out of compliance.
And he stopped
because he's out of compliance. And it's
like, you know, we can do this the hard
way or we can do it the easy way. The
easy way is you stop. The hard way is
you stop after it cost you a bunch of
money, you know, and if you want me to
see that through, I'll see that through.
But I don't have to be the bird dog on
everything. But I guarantee you if
somebody comes to me and says, "Hey,
this production companies dusting me out
or doing whatever they're doing. I'm I'm
going to bird dog it for them just like
I would bird dog it for myself. But I
just don't understand why it takes so
long. And if we can make some code go in
there that makes that better.
>> Just so you know, um when I drive
around, I'll just drive around looking
down, see what's going on. I have
uh 17 people like doing stuff without
permits that I just pulled up and been
like, "Hey, stop. Come down to city hall
that I have."
>> That's awesome.
>> Yeah. But I didn't have to go pound. I
just was like, "Hey,
people are pretty
easy."
>> You know, you're surprised that you got
compliance. You know, I told him, I
says, "Hey, I get it. I've built stuff,
right? When you're building, you're
building and you're throwing money on it
and it's got to it's got to make stuff
happen. So, a little dust is fine. If
you got a piece of property over there
that's high density residential and
you're treating it like a construction
yard and you're you're doing all the
construction things over there and
you're dusting me out, I'm this is going
to be the fourth year if you don't stop
of dust and they haven't built anything,
you know, and
» well they they were behind they were off the road but they were
dump trucks in and out, emptying vector
trucks just out on the ground, you know,
stockpiling asphalt concrete to grind
later, you know, just and then grinding
it later. And, you know, they have to
have a swak up permit to do that. They
didn't have any swaka permit, you know.
And I emailed Travis and said, "Hey,
they're stockpiling stuff that they're
going to want to grind later." and they
told him, "Oh, we're just storing that
grinder."
» And then a year later, they did the
grinding, you know. So, and they
lied their way through that. So, that's
where I just just knowing what I know
from my neighborhood want to know, is
there something we can do in the code
that makes it a little better for
everybody?
So,
but I'm just I'm just one person.
I think well I know how
it's all complaint
also.
So, I'm just like,
um,
>> yeah. Well,
um,
we I'm glad we have bread in there. I
really am, but maybe I've just been the
unlucky guy to get the sticky ones. So,
the smelly guy, by the way,
just so you know, um, I don't think
Travis was there yet, but I complained
about it under the previous mayor.
That's how long it's been. and then
nothing happened. And then I noticed
that the owner of the building was the
largest donor at the time I looked to
the mayor's re-election campaign. And so
that's where you think that's code code
helps that, right?
>> But
and that's the and the question I've
always asked when we're writing code. We
have to write code that the next person
is going to be able to understand and enforce. So,
um, if you're telling me we don't need
to change the maze to the shs
and uh,
we won't change the maze to the shs.
>> Well, and I think the biggest impact is
going to be from the fact that we've
gone from $25
to 50 75 and 15. So the longer you
ignore us, the more painful it gets.
Whereas that was never anything to worry
about before. It was small enough that
people would blow me off.
>> Especially if you're renting a space for
more than that a day and you're renting
a couple hundred. Dave has something to
say.
I um
» yeah so you'll see you'll see in in we
have to pay attention to the shoods and
the shallows and that's the may shoulds
and shall and that's where that's why I
was like I want to change this from a
may to a shall you know so Um
I think we can uh leave it alone. I will
be paying attention to see what kind of
u
things happen there, right? Because this
city is not going to get smaller
and uh
we've got a lot of industrial land. So I
hear to build on and you know more
problems we can have. So
That being said, let's go back to the
red lines and discuss them all and um
get Mike up to speed.
So, um that one
kind of clarified basketball hoops. So,
if somebody in the city wants to go look
and see Yes. Basketball hoops are
illegal and it also made so odors were
only covered in development code before.
This puts them over there in in our
nuisance code
» out in the streets. Yeah.
And then the the next frame
changes things from being a misdemeanor
to a civil offense.
And Then the next frame outline out
outlines those civil offenses
um
which are graduating. So that and then
quite honestly on a lot of things when
it's um
uh somebody that
can't m can't maintain their yard u has
some leeway before these go into effect
with our code but somebody that um
blatantly doesn't maintain their yard.
What part of town you live in?
Offensive. Okay.
Oh yeah,
» because um
the misdemeanors are police and courts
and civil we can find
nutshell. Good enough.
Trying to get good at this.
Okay. So, that's where it goes up.
The more obstinate you are, the more
expensive it's going to be. And uh
then if you have two violations,
let's say you have two broken down cars
in your yard,
it's 50 bucks a day each
according to that. That's the Reader's
Digest version of that. You go ahead and
scroll.
Um,
that's the stuff we talked about
in uh referring to 1990
uh
for development code
» because the 1.12 is the CI is the
misdemeanor section under for police.
Yeah, we we got rid of that. Yeah. Okay.
That's a new addition that talks about
like if somebody's out doing a re- roof
without a permit, they pay double. And
that's in our that's in our fee
schedule, but it's now clear in the code
that we
>> So, um well, no, in this case, no. In
this case, it does say uh it will be
assessed. So, it is a sh. So, no second
choices. If you're a roofer, you know,
you need a roofing permit.
>> What about if you're a homeowner?
Yeah.
» Well, so it used to be also you if you
did a complete tear off, you needed a
permit, but if you were adding that
second layer,
you know, and you weren't doing any
structural repairs to your roof or
anything, um, that didn't need a permit.
And I think that have been an
international building code thing. Do
you guys know
» what was that? I didn't
>> That's in the new international building
code and we have not adopted that one
yet. We're still under 2024.
>> So in
>> or 21
>> in 21 are we needing a permit to add
shingles?
>> Yeah. All the required.
>> Okay.
which by the way is good if somebody
doesn't know they already have three
layers and they can't put a force on
there.
>> You know, there's there's
some of this stuff, you know, you think
about if you ever had to have an
insurance claim and they find out you
didn't pull a permit for something
that's you know, a lot of this is for
the homeowner's own protection,
you know,
not just the wiring stuff.
used to be.
>> I think it's two.
>> You can't go over two.
>> It adds more. I'm sure
the roofing lobby
» got to wait for the new IBC to come out
before you add a layer.
Um,
so the next section, Mike, is where we
took the smell part out of that standard
sighted for
>> Southwest Clean Air. Swapa,
they call themselves. I don't know.
Maybe I just my hearing I always thought
they were
>> Swaka.
Yeah,
» for the smells.
>> I don't know.
>> Yes, I I'll look them up here. Um,
miss
Southwest Clean Air Agency, SWCA.
Do we want to add that correction to
that while we're here?
And so, actually, there's still
cover pollutants. what what the other
two things that we left
um
still covers pollutants and dust and
everything. So even it might smell but
also be a pollutant, right? We're going
to
have their involvement there
and
I missed that one. Oh. Oh, yeah.
>> That's um I think isn't most of that
already in
>> it's a clarification.
>> Yeah, that's a clarification. So,
um, so what is the code
on like in the county
and
when you get a permit from the county,
they give you a thing you have to staple
up, put on a post at the street that
says I have a permit. Do we have that?
And it says we have to post up
>> that I did talk to Mike Williams, the
county um
county building official and he said
that is still in the code.
>> But what about Woodley?
>> And we should be doing that because it
is in the building code.
>> Okay.
>> Because that would really help even
better, right? When she drives by
something and there's an orange.
>> I already know that doesn't have a
permit.
I know.
>> I guess you do, but I don't know why I
feel like it takes a village. And even
the city guys that are out taking care
of the mowing and everything, they see
something and you know, they should at
least tell you or something, right? You
know, don't get me started on my rocks
in the road stuff, but
um anyway, we're going to start trying
to do that somehow. Cool. All right.
Maybe if they get a Saturday permit,
they get a blue paper to put up or
something.
>> Well, then so is there a fine they don't
have it up.
» It's funny because there's so many
places,
>> you know, you have you get this paper
and it says post this. But do you even
get your permits because you do
everything online now, right? You get
your permits online.
>> You don't get anything back from the
city.
>> Not anymore.
>> But they have to keep the plans on site
as well.
>> yeah, that's that's hard to
» I don't care if they take a sheet of
plywood and write permit number 26-045
on there and put that out there quite
honestly. It shows they have a permit
and where the inspector needs to go,
right?
>> So, anyway, that's not on here though,
Mike. Okay. So, we can keep scrolling.
» That's the odor shall not apply to the
food. We're going to try that
>> and
says residential and commercial. So,
should we add zones to that as well?
>> Uh, no. I put circumstances because
um it might be a res
Correct.
» It could be a commercial food truck in
an industrial zone in which case it's a
commercial circumstance.
>> Yeah.
>> Industrial zone res.
>> Okay. All right.
» And I specifically put the word
preparation
as opposed to
>> processing or something.
Okay.
» Yeah. Just
Yeah.
Gives it some direction.
>> And then down below there's a section on
defines what the development codes that
are subject enforcement. This is that
reference because we no longer use land
use codes. We use development codes
because it includes zoning, building,
environmental.
This is just a different version of the
ones that we talked about. So this is
just
and then here's the definition for land
use and development code specifically
titles 8 which is 8 and 12 which are the
nuisance and um 13 is uh streets or
sorry 12 is streets water sewer 14 is
building 15 title 15 is environmental
title 16 is subdivision title 17 is the
zoning code and title 19 is the
administrative code.
So this makes it clear that what code
enforcement is responsible for versus
what the police are responsible for.
So
Mike, have you done any city code
scrolling gone into where it's at a
little bit? Okay. So you know how to
find it?
>> Yeah. Um,
good. Very good. All right. What else we
got? Penalties.
>> This is in the enforcement section.
>> Yeah.
» All right.
Anybody have anything to ask about or
add?
And what's funny is it was redone in
some things were redone in 22
and a lot of things were not. So anyway,
all right.
Everybody happy? Can we conclude the
workshop portion? Do we have any public
comment about our workshop?
Sounds good. Pass the
Donna test.
All right, then we'll um close up that
workshop
and we'll go on to
action items.
And first Approving the minutes of our
July 16th
meeting.
>> We approve the minutes.
» You need to call those out. Motion's
been made. Second. Any discussion?
Mike's probably going to stayain.
Um,
all those in favor? I There we go. I got
when I go to my union meetings once a
month, they read the complete minutes to
us
and the AC don't work. All right,
get it rolling here, boys. Okay. So, the
next action item is ordinance number
16006 retooling our code to ship it up
to city council.
I move that we recommend approval of the
Nice.
» All right, we're going to call this vote
up. Motion's been made and seconded. Any
more discussion?
>> All right, the vote.
» Commissioner what?
>> Commissioner C. Hi,
>> Commissioner Matson.
>> Hi,
>> Commissioner Le.
>> All right. Wow.
We got that done by August.
» We did spend well um it was not without
um some hiccups here and there. There
was some presentation stuff that wasn't
available once and we actually had some
other
stuff that took up a bunch of time. So
we were like trying to
short version it at the end. But um
anyway,
>> was there any?
» No. Um
one one thing we did though that is not
in the code that when we had a meeting
with we have state says we have to have
a joint meeting with city council once a
year. And in that joint meeting with
city council I brought up that
you know, somehow we are u complaint
driven
and
we shouldn't be. If staff sees
something, they shouldn't have to wait
for a complaint to do something about
it. And so, uh, the city council all
right, then agreed to it. And actually,
the only thing that why they change the
website,
right? Because their website said code
enforcement was complaint driven. So,
you know, that um I think that really
helped give a little more um free free
reign and she's not out to um
you know be
mean person. She's just protecting Oh
yeah, look at you.
Protecting the city's interest and um
anyway
um that took care of that and then u
we kind of tossed amount of the fee
change to them then and they actually
got workshops at city council last week
because it was a slow news week. They um
covered our stuff too and so they kind
of know what to expect and when they see
this
um hopefully I'll be able to be there to
maybe sell it a little, you know. Um
I don't think any of the city council
people are going to have any problem
because the city council people kind of
bringing up the same issues that we're
trying to fix already. So hopefully it
helps. But anyway, thank you guys for
let's all getting through that. So, um,
we've got a, um,
permit activity update.
» Oh, yeah.
So, I went through and crunched some
numbers, calculated um building going on in Alder Ash. It's
148 lots total in there. So far, we have
94 lots that are either occupied or
actively being built.
And then we have 54 lots in there that
there's no permit. They're available.
Building has not started. So that's
Alder Nash. Riverwalk is 48 lots total
um with only 11 lots so far being
occupied and they are fully built and 37
lots available. No permits have been
pulled yet
for Riverwalk.
>> So is that whether So COO loop
which one's that? So that's the sandbox.
>> Okay.
>> So the sandbox
has 85 lots total with 44 of them being
occupied or currently being built and 41
lots that novailable.
give you an idea of what's available and
what's
>> so um
you're going to have to help me. So
Alder and Ash,
that's the one on the Lewis River side
of the
>> funny shaped houses.
Lewis River side of
>> it's the one next to the elementary
school, North Fork Elementary
>> behind it.
>> Yep.
>> Okay. So, that's actually PD.
>> Yeah. Okay. That's Alder and Nash. Okay.
>> The highlighted ones are the ones that
are either occupied or currently being
built.
» I sold all the ones that don't look at
another house
>> quite a bit first.
>> Same thing with Coh
» are the what
>> are they
all
>> the roads are? Yes.
» Those are
this phase has not been recorded yet.
>> Oh, okay. That explains that I just
typically I want that backyard
river.
>> Okay.
>> So that's the one that's on the east
river side
>> and that's probably the same thing that
they have some that haven't been
recorded yet as you get closer to the
river.
>> Yes. So that's these ones here.
>> Yeah.
I can't
» detach.
>> Yes.
» I I
>> bet you better.
So these kind of came in when CO was
going and these are um they specifically
got a increased lot coverage if it is a
singlestory
um ranch style because they were looking
in the one to $1.2 million range and for
seniors that would have um no ADA
issues.
this subdivision,
their price point when they were
originally designing was in the neighbor
of 400 to 450,000.
So it is
>> that's a starter house today.
>> So that is a starter house. Y
>> and those also that was also zoned
>> medium density
>> MDR.
>> Yep.
>> So uh the other one was seven
>> LDR 75, right?
>> Yes. Their average lot size, I wanted to
say, was closer to 9 to 12.
>> Yeah. Well, yeah. If you're going to
sell something for that much money, it's
got to have some yard.
>> Yeah. And then this subdivision with 150
behind the school, their target was 550
to 650. And
>> I I talked to somebody that bought one
in there for 530.
So, but they have uh some CCNRs and HOA
fees and stuff that I
don't get, you know. So, like you can
only have park dust in your backyard.
And is that because they have to have
sprinklers because they're so close
together and the roads are so skinny.
>> Irrigation.
>> Yeah, they do not all need um
sprinklers, but they are have the water
connections for it.
So, so according to Riley, the houses
that have to have fire sprinklers
get a one inch connection, but we only
charge them for a 3/4 or something
crazy. But uh but we have to
>> that's for the fire sprinklers should
and and I think because it's a PURD and
everything's so close together and the
streets are so small.
Um it would be reasonable that I know
how our fire department loves sprinklers
that they would require sprinklers
there. So that's probably why that one
inch connection.
>> Those don't have sprinklers.
But they don't have lines.
» Yeah. So they I think you are correct.
They have the one in connections but
we're only charging them for 3/4 in
because um they are not using the full 1
in connection capacity. So it's a quirk
in our code where since they are not
producing that much sewer and they are
using a reduced amount of water
theoretically the extra capacity for the
1 in is normally required for sprinklers
and so if they were to put in sprinklers
that's what the systems are designed for
but they can opt not to put sprinklers
in there
» you have a water meter for a
Yes. So that all has to do with
>> Yeah. with water meter. When you
>> you when you buy a $260 water meter from
the city, it's
$5,000 because the city has to take
money to set aside for future needs and
development growth. So um that charge is
based on the size of meter. So, this is
where they're getting they're getting a
one inch meter and I I always from from
Riley it was because
um it has to be that big for fire
sprinklers in the house but it doesn't
mean that they don't use that in a
normal house. So, that's where that
caveat is. So, that's why I would say if
they have one in meters they probably
have to have fire sprinkers.
>> Well, so that was the original in the
original design called for 1 in meters
even though they didn't need them. So
Riley made them install what the
engineer designed. Well, I was surprised
the fire department did not require
sprinklers in those houses
>> because
» they can make you get sprinklers if if
you're on a flag lot. They will make you
get sprinklers.
>> Yes.
>> If it's if If you're more than 150 feet
on a remote lot from a hydrant,
>> you have to have sprinklers. So
>> So like those
>> So those infill projects like on
Washington and CC Street, the houses out
front don't have sprinklers, but the
houses in the back do have sprinklers.
So the the houses in the back, the flag
lots have 1 in meters, whereas ones out
front of 3/4 in
» things.
Okay. All right. So, we are we're done
interrupting. Was that everything there?
>> Yep.
>> So, you think it slowed down some? The
>> Yeah, the permits coming in have slowed
down a lot. I did want to just mention
really quick and I put this in front of
you guys. It's just a year toate um code
enforcement update of you can see how
many have been closed and then I also
highlighted the ones that are in the
notice of order phase. Um but I did want
to just share some good news and that is
um on 1507 I believe
the half burnt down apartment
you know with the
I
gentle
to the land
>> just a little bit
and they are they came in and they're
going to be demolishing
So that's kind of awesome. I I actually
talked to Chief Gibbs about those. I
said, you know, you guys get calls there
and he said, we get called. I said, what
are the calls that you're that are
generated for that? And he said, it's
usually vandalism,
and trans. And so I told him, well,
those are getting demolished. And he was
very happy to hear that.
>> Yes, I'm very happy. There's an easy way
we could do this
>> or the hard way.
>> You know what? It works every time.
>> So, uh,
>> are you getting any response from 503
Washington Street?
>> So, he is one of those.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm just waiting for the clock to
finish.
But, um, I've gotten excellent response
from
also got excellent response from about
two other houses on CC
and it's crazy the
>> better I'm sure the neighbors
>> they better they better
P's and Q's on CC street
>> what's that
>> they better mind their P's and Q's on CC
street
>> I
>> but I'm in the middle Washington also
the
just across from the corner store. You
know those apartments right there?
>> Yeah.
>> I don't know if you guys have noticed
just the insane amounts of trash,
garbage, used furniture, mattresses.
>> Um they are repeatedly
repeat offenders and I am about to do a
notice in order. I sent them their
second notice but I actually wrote them
a letter certified mail to the
He said, "Y'all, this isn't okay."
» Riverside
has all those town home.
>> No, there's an apartment thing there.
>> Just look for mattress.
» No, it's not.
How do we know what's designated local?
>> Oh, okay. Yeah.
>> Only only, you know, the property
management company. So, you know, it's
not the housing authority in Vancouver
somewhere.
>> Yeah.
>> And I have never got a response from
them and so I just sent them their final
letter saying
for littering.
I listed all of it. So, and I sent it
certified.
>> Terrible. I have a stack of photos of
just garbage and on the sidewalk.
>> I
sent it to the property management. It's
still a city code.
>> I think um
>> the owner
Absolutely.
The occupants won't get penalized. It'll
be the property management,
>> I think. And if it was um um the housing
authority long, they would have a crew
come out and
>> get it picked up. So,
>> we had to have the same conversation
with the meadow park or whatever.
Same thing. piles of garbage and
mattresses and it took two weeks to
track down the property management and
they were up in Seattle and I found out
they did not have maintenance guy coming
in and it was just a hot mess and
they're on
>> fantastic. That's that's
wonderful workers.
Okay. V vacant build buildable land
update
notice. This meeting will be recorded.
So, um,
this had been asked about at the last
couple meetings for an update and I
downloaded a bunch of information and
sorted through the data. And then I came
to realize kind of after I was done is
there was a bunch of properties missing
because I kept expecting as I kind of
looked through the data and updated it
that there was stuff missing. And so I
didn't realize that until Monday when I
thought I was finished when I
discovered. So what I did is I pulled
the 2023 numbers that were prepared as
part of the comprehensive update. So,
I'm going to show you real quick some data just to give you an idea of
where we are. Um, and that is so we're
going to look at residential,
commercial, and industrial just some
generic numbers here. So, our total
acreage of residential land, so single
family and multifamily is 681.8.8
acres. So 682 acres of residential land
in the city and um
in 2023 when we did the vacant land
analysis there was 97.11
acres that was vacant or vacant with
approved plans on it. And so you see
that was broken out here 30 35.3 acres
of vacant undeveloped and then there
were proposals that were in for
approval. Now, since that time, 47.3
acres has been developed or 48% of that
vacant land um has been um
uh subdivided and um is in work. So, of
that, 45 acres is vacant because we had
a couple projects that were approved and
then ended up not built or got smaller
than so the sandbox went from apartments
to part of it is homes, part of it is
still vacant. So that's part of the
reason why the vacant land is more
available now than it was in 2023
um because we were dealing with COVID
2021 2022 approvals and um when I did
that analysis in 23 um and then we have
a lot less that is development approved
but not constructed. And so in addition
to this 49 acres of vacant and available
land, there's also the 105 lots that are
occupied and constructed or in
construction. And then as Brea was
mentioning those three subdivisions,
there's still a lot of lots. Basically
50% of those lots are still available.
So although it looks like we've used 48%
of the vacant land, there's still a lot
of vacant lots within those lots that
have been developed.
So that's kind of a moving number.
And then the other side of the
residential equation is the multifamily
supply and that was 47.53
acres in 2023 and 12 of that was vacant.
And then there were several projects
that were um proposed for development.
And since then 19 of those 35 acres have
been developed and the units are out
there on the ground. And so um that was
the smaller subdivision known as the
Sandbox is is specifically the one of
the lots or one of the projects that was
developed and there are still 41 vacant
lots in that subdivision that haven't
been used but basically we still have
about 70% of the multifamily land is
available and there's a couple projects
on the board so one by um on Fifth
Street by North Elementary and then
another sorry Woodland Elementary and
then there's also 30 units behind the um
Woodland Corner Store kind of in that
area there between Gordon and the seaw
wall and
>> get legs.
>> That one's still Yep. They're waiting.
They have their final engineering now. I
don't know what they're waiting on. I
think they're trying to time it so that
they get their permits before the school
impact fees go up, even though they're
not necessarily planning on building it
right away. So when you start seeing
them do site preparation, you'll know
that those building permits are ready to
go because they've got all their
engineering.
>> So um
I have a question that you know we It
was talked about at the city council
meeting and everything that the the
county is planning for 10,000
extra homes over the next 20 years
>> and they're going to all lot 2,000 of
that to Woodland.
So they say and is that 2,000 more based
on do they have their own inventories or
based on our inventories from our comp
plan or
um where are they where are they getting
their basis for those numbers.
>> So that is a question that is still
hanging out there. At the start of the
process that was one of their first
major discussion points and then they've
kind of
um put that on the back burner. They are
updating their critical area ordinance
right now and when they have finished
with their critical area ordinance
update, they will be turning back to the
comprehensive plan and kind of
addressing that. We
did not get a clear answer when we asked
how they arrived at that number.
What's that random? Yes. So
>> because we were last like oh we still
need
>> the leftover amount. Yeah. So um they
have not fully discussed that and part
of that is because they haven't really
made that final decision. So I think
that is
still in the back of their heads but
they haven't quite put that to paper
yet.
So, so under the growth management act,
our plans have to be consistent.
However, our plan has to be a lot more
comprehensive than theirs and we are not
quite sure how commerce is going to
treat that because we did ours last year
and they're doing theirs this year and I
been asking this question for five years
and they've kind of said
we're going to muddle through this the
best that we can and It is about time to
pay the piper and by the end of this
year we will have muddled to the finish
line and it's either going to be total
bedum or
everybody's going to roll their eyes and
snicker and we'll just be inconsistent.
Yeah.
» Can I
editorialize on that a minute?
um
we have to plan for a certain amount but
we don't have to plan the easy stuff
to be developed as part of our plan. So
the easy stuff being expand our
urban growth boundary and annex a bunch
of we we have a lot more capacity than
people realize inside our city
boundaries now that already have
pipes in the street and everything. And
if we ever expect to complete the
sidewalks in Oldtown and all of these
things, you drive through Oldtown and
look look in people's yards, it's it
freaks them out. And um just look at the
lots and sometimes you can go by four or
five lots in a row and say this can
accommodate a mother-in-law. set up an
ADU, some sort of unit of housing. It
doesn't have to be a track home in a
neighborhood. And so we
hopefully will be able to answer to most
of this assignment, whatever it be,
with space we already have. Now, the
tough thing is it's hard to get those
lots into the inventory,
you know, and it's and it's nothing you
can count on because you can't count on
somebody's deciding, oh, I'm going to
put an ADU on my property because it's
the best thing for the city. But in the
same token, some of these people are
going to
retire and move to Hawaii or something
like that or leave the house to the kids
and the kids are going to go, "Let's
knock that old thing down and build a
forplex," you know, because it can
happen there. So,
I'm not saying it's easy,
but it's also not going to happen if you
make the easy stuff available, you know?
And that's what we're seeing now. with the available land that we have,
it's all the tougher stuff to develop.
You know, even that even that one with
the by the intermediate school, you
know, that property was
what 30% wetlands. And so they had to
change some design standards to get
their their count up to make that pencil
out. And so we really need and my my
feelings are on this is we really need
to to push the infill and recognize that
there is space to hit that number, but
it's not,
you know, we don't have to,
you know, we we just passed a bunch of
uh code for ADUs and things that the
state told us we had to do. Well, the
states made that easier and told cities
they can't zone that stuff out and
things. And so there's there's really a
lot more lots out there that could
afford a unit that don't have a unit.
And and I think we can, you know, and
even I don't care what Clark K says, we
can we can count the acreage that's in
Clark County that's really hard to
But we can count it, you know, and it's
just kind of the psychological of it and
we don't um
>> so it's a goal they're setting
>> they're
>> Yeah. So you got to remember if you
Google search 98674 growth rate it's
like 2.4%.
But how much of that a lotment that the
county is the county going to say, okay,
you know, a bunch of that is going to be
homes in the Woodland area but not in
the Woodland city limits. It's not like,
you know, so the county is going to
absorb. They're assigning so much to
Castle Rock and so much to Calama and
so much to us and so much to the county.
And so,
>> you know, it's a goal. It's not
necessarily a
>> and the whole commerce thing is is you kind of want to try to be compliant
with commerce when it comes to getting
grant money and stuff like that. You
know, it's some of the boxes they check,
you know, puts you in front of somebody
else sometimes. But, um, there's a lot
of communities out there that are not in
compliance with Congress,
>> probably Clark County
>> and they're still getting their stuff.
Yeah. So anyway, yeah, that's the
Yeah, population growth. Yeah.
In the zip code. Did you search the zip
code?
>> That's our zip code.
>> Yeah.
which is where we came from. It's over.
Um, thank you for that, Travis. And
then, um,
you don't have that where you can throw
it up either. with the dates.
>> I did not bring that map and I ticked
myself for that. Oh, but I emailed it to
you. So, I can
>> you look in your email?
>> I can look in my email. So, I asked
Travis to do this one. Um, which he I
mean I'm sure it was some work and I
really appreciate that he did it because
um
there's
when we're planning I think people get
scared when they hear numbers and
This is kind of some fun facts. There's
got to be one with an attachment.
» No, it's next one up. That one.
» Yeah.
» Oh, no. That's the That's the raw maps
that I used to create.
Probably put it on some other
conversation and it's going to be harder
to find.
There we go.
Rotate that.
So that's the annexations
and the last annexations in the city.
Um just kind of to give you an idea. So
um
Travis, you want to you want to kind of
give detail on
so in 2000 so in 2005 that yellow one
was um
over there between the freeway and Green
Mountain Road. What is the um
>> well no Belmont lives on the cross the
road l that stuff was that stuff was
annexed and zoned in the 1900s
>> yeah builder supplies there
>> 2007
>> was um
>> church
>> was that just the church the high school
was already zone
>> just the church so this is the high
school
>> they have the high school and a wetlands
there
and
Walmart was before that right
>> uh Yes. So,
>> so then in 2006 we did some industrial
on the back side of the Sherman way kind
of stuff. Same thing as in 2004. In
2009,
Aony's asked to bring all that in as as
like light industrial and heavy
industrial. It's a mix.
>> And then in 2009,
um the stuff over by the sewer plant was
brought in.
And uh so we haven't had you know and so
if you think about that sewer plant
property is one of our multifamily
pieces that is still not developed. Part
of the um up there by builder first
source is high density residential that
has not been developed. There's
21 years on the books and they haven't
been developed you know. So uh in fact
the school half of the school where the
church property is supposed to be for
school has never been developed. And
you know, I just think the takeaway
there that's developing now
and the other blue one in 2004 is
developing now.
It's been 22 years and now they're
selling houses there, you know. So
when these requests come in,
some of this stuff should be what are we
thinking? in 20 years because we can't
do all this infill for 20 years. We have
to at some point bring some in. But
that's kind of an idea of what what has
been done.
And then of course the market tanked in
2008.
And so that's why a lot of those never
got, you know, people had ambitions and
they never got started. We can't we
can't tell what the market's going to
do.
Um
some of it was within the urban growth
boundary and we annexed it's different
things for different ones. Some of it
was annexed and never zoned
you know.
So um
some of it
» right
>> well some of it
>> oh because
we have unzed
everything
transformed into a city
>> matters
talking
>> so Um, and by the way, Merryweather
is in there in 2005
and Merryweather went bankrupt and a big
chunk of that. Phase three is now a
park, you know, so things change. And
uh, then there's that piece above
Merryweather that's in the urban growth
boundary that's not been
brought into the city, but it's in the
urban growth boundary right there. So
that's was that in the inventories,
things that are in our in urban growth
boundary.
>> That's one of the pieces that I was
looking for and
>> and you couldn't find. And then on
Horseshoe Lake, we have some stuff
inside our urban growth boundary. Right.
So that big chunk down there is in our
urban growth boundary, but not in our
city limits. And uh you talk about a a
pressure relief valve for if you just
want quantity to say we're for it. Um,
you see it it can be a tool,
right?
And so those things are there too. So
Travis Travis had to go back to a bunch
of applications and approvals and get
all of those dates and everything for us
and then put them together on a map. And
Was
all of that west of the railroad tracks
>> or east of the railroad track?
>> Yes.
» Sorry.
» Not
out here beyond the church. Yeah, beyond
the church is all county
>> and even on the south side across from
the high school is in the county
>> and that's not even in the UV
» that is
across Freeway from there.
I've walked my dog down there.
I don't know of anything. So, is it back
here towards
>> where the fields are? There's a there's
like a little path that runs all along
the perimeter
» that's um mitigation.
So they can maint maint
is that leg right there. All that leg
that's north of the school, north of the
substation
>> and it's all
owned by the port wetland mitigation.
It's a joint
part of when they dret the river. So
they can maintain that,
you know, binding to dredge. So
I saw a dozer out there, but that's not
I'm just trying to get
» Yeah, I can't buy a piece of property
and do RV parking,
but um
Right.
Just I'm not bitter. I'm just saying.
Yeah.
Thank you, Travis. That's um educational
piece, I think.
>> Okay. And then on the on the industrial
and commercial, we'll get to these real
quick. The commercial property total
acreage was 296 acres and 2013 there was
119.4
that was vacant although we did have a
significant chunk of that was approved
for development. Um and by 2026
there is still uh 92.66
acres vacant and there is actually more
in development,
but it's expiring so quick I figured I
would just I mean within a couple months
it will expire. And this is Logan's
Landing over there off of Belmont Loop,
south of Belmont Loop. There's that big
field there. It's set to expire within a
month or two, so it's unlikely to
proceed. So I just dropped it off. But
» did that include multifamily?
>> It did. Yep. And that's about to expire.
Um so we've had 24
acres of commercial development and that
includes like the builder for source,
some other smaller ones here and there,
but that one is a pretty big chunk of
our commercial land.
How are they doing with the rest of that
with their army engineer per
they got their stuff back from the
>> Yes. So like for the critical area
permit to move that dirt pile that's
been stacking up forever. They finally
got it at least sealed off.
>> Now they're going to
get widened.
Eventually the rest of that will be
widened. You can see that
>> is there going to be turn lanes here?
>> That new access point will I think
eventually have an extra center turn
lane.
>> And will we get a turn lane for the
Chevron into Belmont L? That's getting
dangerous.
>> Yeah, I don't know that off the top of my head
right now.
I I think we need to have some kind of
registry for near misses there because,
you know, people have to shoot out there
because they can't
see, especially from the roundabout
side, anything coming and so they jump
out in front of people and and I know
I've had three near misses and I mean
cram my brakes in the last two months on
I know I drive that piece a bunch, but
>> I go the speed limit. You will go around
me if you saw me. Okay. Oh, here's the
old man in that Toyota.
>> You don't know.
It's blue.
Are they
>> okay?
>> Oh, yeah.
I'm not the one they complain about
racing down pay route. Let me tell you
that.
>> And then the last one we have here is
industrial. We have a thousand a little
over a thousand acres in the city and
the vacant in 2023 was 9 691 or
basically 700 acres and a lot of that is
still in agricultural use. Then there's
a bunch of open ground that would be
developable or is developable and um a
bunch of it was in development in 2023.
So 218 of those
have moved into development and that's a
little deceptive because for example
Columbia River carbonates is now on the
other side of peacin huge property and
it's marked as developed but it's you
know 60% of the property is still vacant
but it dropped off for tax coding it is
considered developed so these are not
pure numbers but um we still have a
significant amount of property that is
development like for example the Traml
Pro properties with those warehouses
those are technically not finished and
so they are still in the inventory as
develop
but not vacant so I'm kind of juggling
these numbers here but it gives you an
idea basically about 30% of it the
problem is is that from Treml Crow south
so I'll switch to the map real Quick
map. Um
the So the Traml Crow is in this
property right here.
And
Yep. This is property and
all the way to here and then we're
starting to get some development here.
But the sewer is can only go to this
point here.
All of this portion of the city down
here has no sewer service to it because
um of elevation issues and the in the
storm the sewer system. Sorry.
All of this property here drains north
through a series of lift stations that
takes it up to exit 22, comes down 22,
and then comes down water treatment
plant which is right here. So, um we are
at the capacity for this piping system
and we are going to have to develop this
land and there's about I want to say 350
acres south of this point that we're
going to have to find a new route for
the sewer for it to ever be developed.
You're looking at four or five lift
stations to relay daisy chain to get
that part of the city online.
>> Y
>> but um
industrial customers can have their own
wastewater treatment plants.
You know, there is there is other
things, but for us to handle it and uh
whatnot, it's
until something is done there. It's kind
of locked up
as
I mean where does sewer improvements
come from?
We can and we are
» we're kind of wrestling that with it
right now because
we are trying to get Roseway to come
down to Capes.
Um so we will have adequate cross
circulation and the water man comes
along to this point. So
the water main would be easily looped on
this location and this would come down
that road would come down to capable but
there's no sewer for it to go into and
the problem that we have at this north
end of town is capacity issue through
the daisy chain of lift stations that we
have and the wastewater treatment plant.
We have plenty of capacity
We just have total suspended solids and
BOD. So the actual stuff that goes in
there, we would have to do something
about getting pre-treatment at the
industrial users. So for example, Walts
meets, they have a lot of gunk in their
discharge. It's not that the discharge
is too much.
It is too much for the pipes. But if we
fix the pipes, it won't make a
difference because at that point we get
too much dirty water to the wastewater
treatment plant. It can take capacity,
just not the total suspended solids and
it. So we're trying to figure out, okay,
how are we going to do that? Right now
the limiting factor is the lift stations
and the pipe sizes, how much liquid we
could get through there.
Once we get this southbound path to the
wastewater treatment plant, that will
free up a ton of liquid capacity in the
system, which means as we get more
infill and more development at the north
end of town. We don't need to make
improvements because now there's plenty
of room.
We have we've created breathing space
for
>> what zoning allows data centers.
Well, we don't have to worry about that
because we don't have the water capacity
or the water rights for that. So, we
won't deal with that.
>> So, um
all of that area
um
I think it's going to be
interesting to see how with the Traml
Crow and some of the big producers we've
had over there, um how the surface water
changes and storm surface water because
um that water that ground doesn't take
water and you know there's wet bottom
ponds and things and and there's um
confusion over who's responsible for our
storm water and I think we've got some
things we've got to settle out with that
as well before my in my opinion is
before we annex anything
the city. We've got we've got to know
how all that's getting handled. And
that's it seems like our dying district
doesn't want to be a dying and drainage
district, but we pay
for that all the way
up to
um
Belmont Loop and those properties. All I
know I'm across the street. I don't pay
into the dining district, but
you know, we have all seen that flood,
right? We've all
some of that you got to go, boy, what's
going to happen? Well, we're gonna have
to find out what's going to happen and
find out how it's going to be handled
because the best available science
um doesn't seem like it's perfect. So,
anyway,
those are the things we will be looking
forward to.
Mr. Bson, anybody else have any
questions?
school. No school next
time.
>> Ra is over there going. Motion to
adjourn.
>> I move to adjourn the planning
commission.
All those in favor.
>> All right. Thank you everybody.
Shut this off. I don't know if it was
ever really on.
Are you let's get personal. Oh, we can't
talk too much. We um still career man or
retired or
school.
I taught truck driving at heavy at West
Coast training