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I'm sorry. Those are yours.

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» Yes. Okay.
I'm going to call the meeting to order.

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Mayor
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» present. Council member Fellows
>> present.

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» Council member Tusent
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» Council member Simmons is absent.
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» here
>> and council member J present. We have a

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» move to excuse council member Simmons

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» you mean support.
>> Can we add though? Can we just add what

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happened as well? Oh, sorry. And council
council member Wilox support

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» the move to excuse me.

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» Any conversation?
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» in favor?
>> I any opposed?

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» No.

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» All right. I'll entertain a motion for
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» So move.
>> Been moved by council member supported

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by council member Spade. Any updating
changes to the agenda?

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» There we go.
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26-191
of fireworks permit from consent.

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» Thanks for letter H on the consent
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this agenda is so long. Um,
and they're already close to the end.

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» Perfect.

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» Any other changes to the vote?

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» Thanks. I know. I'm sorry.
All in favor of the agenda as amended,

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please say I. I. And your oppos.
All right. Good evening everyone. Thank

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you so much for being with us. Um this
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So members of the audience will have
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have one hour aotted up front. If we
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folks who have still been signed up, um
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comment at the end of the meeting. uh we
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between in person and then online. So
when I call your name, if you are able,

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please approach the podium. Um and if
you could state your name and addresses

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for the record if you feel so
comfortable, that would be wonderful.

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Um, first I have
Teresa

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and I get
my name is Teresa with us at 1703

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and here on behalf of the app the landl
which is at South Washington and at that

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time we were talking about the people
congregating in front of our building

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and making difficult difficult for us to
have make sales so that we can use that

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money to support the community. I must
say that things have not been as bad as

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they were. I haven't had any complaints
from people, all the volunteers that

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work there. Um, and I we did see
something online where somebody misqued

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us saying that we were all we were all
women and we were all afraid. And we're

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not afraid of them. Very little anyway.
uh what we're afraid of, what we're

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worried about is the fact that if we
can't keep people coming into the

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building, then we can't make money and
we can't help the community. And that

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was sort of how I speak. The other thing
I'm concerned about is that I did say at

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the end of my brief presentation last
time that I'd be willing to help help

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with any kind of problem solving that
relates to this this group of people who

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are well known at least to the police in
this town. So that I'm not trying to

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vilify them. Many of them are are
customers. I'm just trying to find

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another way. So that's why I'm here.
Thank you for your time.

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» Thank you so much.
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[clears throat]
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Uh Jim Clark, 116 College Place. Um I'm
speaking tonight in reference to

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resolution 2026-142.
Um there was a task force put together

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uh to come up with a viable solution um
other than simply sweeping the

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encampment um and relying on paths to
find placements for people. Um what I'm

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proposing is a temporary safe hunting
zone. Um everybody's heard me talk about

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this before and I've sent multiple
emails. Um I do believe that there's

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enough support from from the council.
Um, Miss King, you actually brought it

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up once upon a time and spoke of it
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Um, and I've talked to uh Mr. Tusen, um,
Miss Fellows, Mr. McClean, um, Mr. Wil

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Coxin and I had conversations about it.
I'm not sure where he stands exactly

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right now. Um, and at this time, I want
to thank uh, Mr. Langa profusely for

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taking this seriously and helping me see
it through. Um I'm going to say the task

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force essentially has failed. Um all the
people that were originally tapped for

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it um they I haven't been able to to
contact um any of them regarding this

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thing. However, uh the idea itself is
sound. Um there's precedent set for it

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in other states. U Washington, Oregon,
uh for example both have safe tenting

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zones. Um
the uh idea for the ordinance was came

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from Kalamazoo. Um it originally called
for uh constructions such as tiny homes,

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but I've amended it so that it refers
specifically to tents. The minimum thing

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that we need from this is a sanctioned
place for people to go. Um when we talk

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about it, I hear people say, "But we
don't have authorized tenting zones in

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San." Well, this ordinance is intended
to provide just that, to create a uh a

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system where an entity such as um a
nonprofit, a church, a private land

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owner, or a government um can apply for
a permit to host a safe tenting zone. Um

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the tenting zone would have minimum
safety requirements. All that stuff

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would be in place, fire extinguishers,
it would have portagons and such. Um,

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we're trying to make it as bare bones as
possible to eliminate uh as much cost as

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possible because we know the funds for
the city are eliminated. However, a port

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of John's and handwashing station
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management piece of it, um, I've talked
to the residents or to the survivors of

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the Bell Kramer encampment and they're
in agreement that they will, uh, they

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will manage it themselves. um we would
have um outside help like myself and a

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few others that would participate in
that management team. Um but the goal

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there is to protect everybody at the
encampment and to make sure that there's

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a process for the surrounding neighbors
to uh lodge a grievance and allow us to

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to to handle it. Um
yeah, I mean if you were to enact this

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right away, there's a couple of viable
stocks that we could start with. It's a

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90-day program uh subject to review.
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» Okay. Thank you.
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» Hi, I'm Melanie Peek. I'm a resident in
Midtown at 501 Pearl Street. I've been

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there for 10 years. When I bought the
house, I bought it along with a land

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agreement that binds my property and
sharing it with a rooming house next

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door where they're they have access.
It's a very vague document written

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actually type that in 1976 on a
typewriter. It's very vague, but it one

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thing that's not vague is the access
point is just for tenants and visitors

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to drive over the property and park in
the back. Um, but that isn't used that

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way. It's used for parking. Um, it's
gotten 10 years of that. There's also

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quite a police report on the house. Pull
that up. many many incidents kind of

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pointing to the idea that possibly a
rooming house in Midtown is not really

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working out when there's no one inside
the walls monitoring. Um so one of the

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reasons why I'm here is to speak on
behalf of the ambitious and bold um

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presentation of the ordinances that hold
landlords accountable for actions. Um, I

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don't know how much time I have, but one
incident that happened recently in the

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rooming house on June 13th, um, a very
sweet man was found deceased. Um, they

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did not know that he had passed. That
was a week that was pretty hot. Um, how

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the tenants knew he was gone was he they
could smell happy. And so on June 13th,

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police came out. His body was removed.
His belongings were packed up, including

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a rug rolled up that he passed away on
with body fluids put in plastic bags

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laid out in the back in my garden and on
part of the property that I don't

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actually have to share. This was June
13th when the stuff was brought out and

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it's June 15th. Um, it's still sitting
there and I called the city. I called

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Red Shields. Um there was a response
eventually. Um

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again, I'm hoping that this ambitious
ordinance that people are tableabling

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for now is somehow going to help me and
other people because after 10 years,

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what I'm looking at now is maybe I
should just not be here, that I should

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sell my book. Um
that's Thank you.

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Michelle,

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congratulations all the electors and I
am here regarding the 128 my address and

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I'm here regarding Mail Street
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I know everyone think that's an
appropriate place for it to be. It is

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not. This past weekend, I went down
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us, and we end up cleaning that area up
with needles. I had

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so I don't know what happened to the
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And another thing too, I don't
understand why people think that area is

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appropriate. Okay. One of the uh
abandoned house two years ago, three

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years ago, a homeless person was found
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A couple weeks ago, someone was found in
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A couple months ago in the um apartment
area, someone was shot and killed

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because engagement. So, I'm trying to
figure out where do y'all feel like this

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is appropriate for this place to be in
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I don't understand that. I see that we
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more people, white people, all the
blacks are gone. I have video of that,

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too. More white people have come down
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five. It's about 20. So I don't
understand where you guys feel that this

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is a appropriate area. You keep saying
you go help clean up, but if you go to

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help clean up, why I just found needles,
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I'm trying to protect my neighborhood.
Why we can't have a safe neighborhood?

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Everyone else does.
So why we can't have it? So, I don't

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understand why people continue on
thinking Kramer and Bale because it's a

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field is a appropriate place to put a
tent.

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And what's wrong with having a small
house? What's wrong with having that?

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He's saying that's inappropriate. I
prefer them being in a house than being

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in a tent, which is more condensed to
their situation. So I don't understand

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why where we getting this information
from and why we feel that this situation

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is good for the community that y'all
concern that y'all love the community.

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Give us respect as owners and residents.
I am I don't understand where we plan on

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going from here but I guarantee you that
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» Thank you Harvey K.

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Good evening.
>> Thank you. Good evening, mayor,

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counselors. My name is Harvey Frankie.
I'm at 504 Pearl in Midtown. I want to

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be real clear about what I'm going to
say here is what I'm going to talk about

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the ordinances that we talked about
reviewed last time uh 1468 1469. I

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support health, safety, and housing
standards that we intend to uh implement

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in our city. And uh the issue that I'm
finding specifically about those two

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ordinances is fairness and
proportionality, particularly for a

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specific class of landlords, not all
landlords are the same. I am a

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homeowning residential landlord. I I
rent out part of my own house. And so

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under these proposals as I read, a
homeowner who lives upstairs and rents

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out a basement or a spare bedroom or
perhaps another division in my dwelling

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unit can face the same regulatory
framework as large corporate landlords.

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But there's a huge difference between
those between someone who rents out one

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unit and someone who rents out multiple
properties. A large landlord can spread

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these inspection fees and compliance
costs to the payers and administration

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administrative burden across many units
where an owner occupied it comes out of

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what I use to pay the mortgage and the
insurance and the repairs for my house

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and my own budget. So an owner occupied
rental is one of the simplest ways

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though for Ipsellani as a city to add
affordable housing. Why do I say that?

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because a homeowner landlord uh creates
another place for someone to live

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without any obligation for new
construction, new land or large

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development. And if we make these
arrangements unnecessarily risky or

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complicated or costly, these same
homeowners will just simply abandon

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renting out their home, which takes away
from the stock of rentable housing in

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the city. The city's legitimate safety
goals don't require a one-sizefits-all

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approach to to building um to land. A
homeowner who lives in the property and

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rents out a room should not be regulated
exactly like the owner of 20 30 40 50

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rental units and buildings. So, I'm
asking council and the building

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department for some simple changes.
First, we should separate owner occupied

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rental category with simplified
registration and less frequent

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inspection. Secondly, let's make the
enforcement proportional to the risk. A

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minor violation of a rental unit should
not automatically jeopardize the

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homeowner's own residence. Third,
provide reasonable notice and cure.

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Notice and cure goes together as a
phrase for non-emergency violations,

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especially when the owner is making good
effort and good faith effort to fix the

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problem. Fourth, let's reserve the
strongest penalties for serious repeat

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violations, not ordinary homelords
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» Thank you.
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» Thank you, Sebastian.

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» Good evening, mayor and city council. My
name is Sebastian Craigy and I'm asking

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you to vote no on proposed ordinances
1468 and 1469 as written. Let me be

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clear. I support safe housing. I support
enforcing legitimate health and safety

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standards. But good intentions do not
automatically make every new regulation

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good policy.
These ordinances expand and modify if

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salami is already extensive rental
inspection and property maintenance

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system. The city already requires rental
properties to have certificates of

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compliance and the building department
already has enforcement authority when

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properties fail to meet required
standards. My concern is that adding

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more requirements, more administrative
procedures, and potentially more

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opportunities for penalties will
increase the cost and complexity of

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finding rental housing in its lane. And
ultimately, those costs don't just

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disappear, they get passed along through
higher rents, deferred maintenance,

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or owners citing that a rent that
renting a property in Epsilani simply

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isn't worth the additional expense and
risk. That matters because ifi already

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has an affordability problem. We should
be extremely careful about adopting

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policies that make it more expensive to
operate and maintain rental housing.

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There is also a fairness issue. A large
property management company may be able

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to absorb additional inspections,
paperwork, fees, and compliance

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requirements. A small local landlord
with one or two rental properties may

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not. We should not create a system where
the people who provide naturally

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affordable housing are pushed out while
larger operators become more dominant.

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And if council believes these changes
are necessary, I ask you to demonstrate

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exactly what problem each new position
solves, what it will cost the property

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owners and tenants, and whether there is
a less burdensome way to accomplish the

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same goal. We don't need to choose
between safe housing and affordable

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housing. We should demand policies that
protect both. So I respectfully ask

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council to reject ordinances 1468 and
1469 as written. Slow this process down.

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Engage tenants and small property owners
and make sure these changes actually

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improve housing and rather than simply
adding another layer of regulation.

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Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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Good evening.
>> Hi, Mayor Council. Uh my name is Kadus.

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I'm a resident of W three. I have two
items to talk to you about today. Uh the

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first is taking you back several
meetings to our budget conversations. Um

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one of the more concerning things about
those conversations was the amount of

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overtime acred by the department. Um, if
I remember correctly, for 2024 25 was

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$471,000
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Uh, both years well above the budgeted
amount. Um this was particularly

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concerning because in a previous session
we had heard from the finance director

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that our uh general fund balance was
going to be forecast to be greatly

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reduced over the next couple of years
and these overtime bills are going to

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draw from that general fund. Um so
I I guess I am um asking council, mayor

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and city manager to take this issue
seriously as we move forward. Um and

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hopefully that you know as we have more
hires this year that um you know this

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fiscal year we hope to see lower um
overtime bills. Um the second agenda

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item, after a few years of observing
from the sidelines, I've decided it is

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time to get in the arena of city
government and have applied to be in the

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planning commission um seats on your
consent agenda today. Um given the

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volume of projects happening in the
city, some master plan updates and some

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upcoming data center or zoning
regulations,

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I expect this will be a very productive
time in this commission. Uh, thank you

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for inspiring me to get more involved
and I hope you'll approve my

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appointment.
>> Thank you.

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» Larry Simmons.

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» Good evening.
>> Good evening.

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My name is Larry Simmons and uh I
noticed that down there on the

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encampment basically talking about
encampment down there on Bale Street

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Bra.
Okay.

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I listen to some of the comments and
concern towards the uh the settlement

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down there about how they feel unsafe.
But what about the residents? I mean,

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it's hard for me to uh feel comfortable
with my nephew, nieces, my grandkids to

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be out there playing basketball, what we
usually do on a regular basis, every

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summer, spring, whatever. With the kind
of problems that we got down there, uh

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like my sister mentioned, you have
people down there using drugs.

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You have a continuation where people
getting comfortable. So that I don't

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know if they put word out that that's a
safe zone or whatever.

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» Yeah.
>> But uh I can guarantee you one thing

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down there as I remember as a kid that
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So I don't know how city council people
if it's y'all opinion of how y'all feel

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that it's a good environment for them to
be down there. I may say for their own

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health reasons. Okay. And like I said
before I have concern about a lot of

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things. I have uh simply towards people
that be in certain condition that trying

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to get theirel out of but I don't think
that the residency

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okay then the homeowner people that live
down there have to be down there

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suffering and making it comfortable when
they paying rent taxes

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they should feel comfortable too okay to
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um I I guarantee you there's a lot of
people down there that comfortable with

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how they live.
>> Okay? Cuz we've been noticing this for

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years. This ain't nothing that just
happened. Okay? Now, I see y'all put up

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the sign. They laugh at that sign. And I
watch I sit up there sometime and uh in

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the backyard sitting at the table or
sitting in my car like I usually do

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sometime. But now I feel funny doing
that because you got all kind of people

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walking back and forth. Some of them
doing strange thing that you don't know

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what they might do. I don't know if
they're gonna come up to my car and do

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something crazy or whatever. We deal
with a variety of different type of

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people down there. And the only way to
solve that is to close that encampment

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up and come [clears throat] up solution.
Other than that, I don't think the res

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people that paying taxes. Okay. Then,
and y'all say that's our neighbor. If

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they paying taxes down there,
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» Okay. If they if they doing anything
down there to make the make the uh

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people that been living there for years
okay then feel cal you got all kind of

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strange people walking back and forth
down there. Okay. So I appreciate if

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y'all
my time is up but thanks for uh

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listening.
>> Those are the only names I had signed

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up. If there are others in the audience
who would like to address counsel you

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can raise your hand.
Anybody?

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No one has their hand up. Oh, now
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Um,
so Tita Matine,

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» good evening.
>> Hi there.

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Uh oh. Is there an echo?

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» Oh, hi there. My name is Tahita uh with
the Small Business Administration,

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Office of Disaster Recovery. And uh a
part of my job is to make sure that I am

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getting information out to communities
who um are declared in the presidential

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declaration um from the storms that
happened in April. Um our federal agency

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is still in the state of Michigan
letting people understand and understand

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that they can still apply for disaster
recovery. um that includes businesses,

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homeowners, renters, nonprofit and
private organizations um helping with

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their physical damages that they
incurred. Um now, something important

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that I do have to mention is that the
deadline is coming up on August 31st.

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Um, so for those homeowners or those
renters with uh uh private physical

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property that they need to replace or
repair from the um April storms, they

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can submit their application. We
encourage and uh people to apply with

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FEMA and SBA at the same times. Um we
are at the Michigan Disaster Recovery

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Centers. We have business recovery
centers set up. Um, people can go in

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person to start the application process
or do that online. And the way to get to

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us and start the application online is
sba.gov/desaster

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and that's sba like small
businessadministration.govsba.

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And we encourage those people, those
businesses uh with unmet needs from that

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storm. Um whether it be um
reimbursements that they um paid for in

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April, but you know, now we're here um
as federal agencies. So whether it be

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any reimbursements they need or um any
uh damages that they just noticed, we

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encourage them to apply before that
August 31st deadline. And thank you so

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much. And that's all I have for you
today.

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Thank you. Thank you so much. I'm making
sure to share that with us.

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Anybody else on the line? No one else.
One more time in the audience. Any other

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hands?

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Right. See none. I will post public
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» I do just have a few quick questions.
One, I didn't know the trash can was

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moved from Dale Kramer. Was there a
reason why?

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» Um, so we had the dumpster for um Shine
when they were cleaning things up. Um,

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it was full, so it was removed. Um, we
can put another one back, but it seems

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that we have the September 1st date
coming up. We probably should do a

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cleaning session after that. Um, we can
have a dumpster put back out there. Um,

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also I did receive word from Hath uh
today indicating that half the people

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are willing to leave, the other half
don't, as it was said during public

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comment, don't take signs seriously. Um,
so I'm trying to uh confer with them to

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see how best that we we can ensure that
they understand that the the signs are

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real and September 1st would be the
deadline uh to move

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» and do we have a plan since we have not
met with the task force if we have some

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kind of plan in place or how does that
removal look? So the the removal will be

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they either go for the path or
eventually officers like to come and

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trespass people.

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Also um because I did see some of the
videos of the residents down there

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cleaning up the needles and stuff and
that does sound problematic to me.

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Michelle Fman spoke for public comment
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people being deceased in that area.
Residents have called me about that. Do

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we have any update that we can talk to
the community about?

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» Um
other than there was a deceased person.

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That's really the only thing that we

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» I guess lastly. Do we have a count of
how many people are down there? That is

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one thing we discussed at the last
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» Sure. And I until now I thought it was
five. Um, so I'm I'm reaching I just

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sent an email to the path team to ask
their account so we can get an updated

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number.

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» Anything else?
>> I mean that's it for now, but again um

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residents came and spoke during public
comment about people being deceased. I

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know when we initially went down there,
we did hear about a shooting that took

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place and again if we could give the
residents down there some kind of

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information so they can have some kind
of peace.

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That's all.
>> Thanks.

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» Thank you, mayor. My comments were
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kinds of questions how many folks are
there and uh some assurances that we are

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continuing the the timeline that we
talked about. I think it was at our last

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our last meeting. Um make sure that that
there's clarity for the residents here

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before they leave tonight.
>> Yeah, it's September 1st. Nothing

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changed. So they not as stated on the
the signs that are out there, I believe.

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Um so if we need to send an officer with
the PATH team to ensure that they they

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understand that this is something that
needs to happen, we're more willing more

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than willing to do that.

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So just quickly is the past team helping
the people and that because again we

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have not had a meeting to discuss what
the next steps were with the task force.

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So again I'm wondering what that also
looks like.

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» So they've been going out several times
and it's to offer several different

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types of services. um one being
relocation assistance. Um also other

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other services provided through CH. I've
sent a few emails out to the task force

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and only one person has gotten back to
me.

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So
I'm not sure what the status of that is.

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Thank you.
>> Thank you. Um yet from my understanding

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that has been down there and you know
half the folks have been engaging with

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them the other half but not that that we
that they don't know that they were

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aware of. Um, I also heard that there
had been I don't know what group this

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is, but that there was a group that was
offering or stating that they would

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hotel people. And so I think that is
where maybe you're seeing more people

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because I'm hearing that more people are
coming over there because they've heard

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that they needed support from some group
that nobody knows who the group is. Um,

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and so hoping to get information on
that. Nobody knows who this group is. I

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said that favorite hotel people off.
>> Yes. I Matthew informed me of that today

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as well. And it's an unknown unknown
organization.

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» Unknown.
>> Unknown. I don't know. Thank you.

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» All right.
Okay. So, there's some work to be done.

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Um
we'll move into our presentation um on

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vacancy tax registration fees by chair.

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» Okay.
>> Good evening. Welcome.

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» Thank you.
>> Um I believe Mia is going to actually be

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presenting first and she's on. So I'm
just I'm gonna wait for her to Sorry.

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Yeah. Good evening, Mia.
>> Hello. Is the audio working? Okay.

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» Yes.
>> Okay. My camera's on. I assume I can see

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myself. I guess you can see me.
>> We can see you.

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» Okay. Perfect. All right. I'll go
through my slides and then I'll pass it

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over to Jasmine. Jasmine, thanks for
being there in person. Um I'm in San

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Antonio, Texas. So not very close to
Ipsy, so wasn't able to attend in person

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today, but um
just wanted to walk through a couple of

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the takeaways we've seen from vacancy
taxes and vacancy fees across the

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country. Um you can go to the next
slide.

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I don't think I have advanced slide
privileges.

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They're working out. Okay,
>> amazing. And apologies if there's any

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internet delays. Just just let me know
if it starts lagging. Um, so just brief

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intro. My name is Mia Loaf. I'm the
program manager for housing at Local

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Progress. I use she her pronouns. As I
mentioned, I'm in San Antonio, Texas,

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not Michigan, but here to kind of inform
some uh takeaways from across the

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country. Uh, next slide.

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So, just a brief overview so um you all
are familiar. I'm with the local

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progress impact lab. So, we're a network
of local elected leaders. So, think city

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council members, mayors, and county
commissioners. Um and we bring together

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those local leaders, partners, and issue
experts to build knowledge, skills, and

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leadership needed to advance racial and
economic justice at the local level. So

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my work is all within the housing world
and I do this with our networks across

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the country.
Um next slide there's just a brief

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overview of our our network. Um as I
mentioned we're across the US, many

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members, many states. So I share this
just to be um just to share that we work

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with folks in many different cities,
big, small, large, rural, suburban, etc.

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Um, and so my hope for today is just to
kind of share what I'm seeing and um,

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offer the options available to folks so
that folks you all in Ipsy who know your

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community best can kind of know what
options you have and consider what tools

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are on the table.
Next slide.

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All right. So my plan for today um, kind
of briefly we'll just do some defining

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of vacancy taxes and fees. I know you
all have discussed it prior a bit

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familiar with it. So, we'll just use
that for tone setting. And then, um,

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I'll speak a bit about what I'm seeing
elsewhere about why people or why

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different jurisdictions choose to employ
a vacancy tax or vacancy fee. And then

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we'll go through some case studies of
different jurisdictions who actively,

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excuse me, actively have vacancy fees
um, in effect.

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So, next slide.
All right. So, I can go back one more

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just quickly to define vacancy taxes
fees. Um, this is a fee charged by a

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jurisdiction on residential and or
commercial properties that sit

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unoccupied or underutilized for an
extended period of time. Um, so I I

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start with this slide just to say that
and as you're crafting an ordinance or

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when jurisdictions begin to consider
this strategy, these are kind of some of

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the questions they have to answer, some
decision points that have to be made.

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Um, since you you all already have a
vacancy

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uh vacant registry, some of this
question of how do you define vacant is

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00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,520
not as relevant since I think you've
kind of already answered that, but it is

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something that folks have to consider as
they begin this process. Um, so deciding

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whether the vacancy fee applies to lots,
vacant homes, as in residentially zoned

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or vacant commercial buildings, which
also includes vacant lots that are zoned

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for commercial uses. Um, usually the
defining factor of these vacancy fees

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are that there's an increased tax rate
for the vacant properties. Um, often it

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00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:36,079
is an annual fee that is charged in
addition to an escalating or a higher

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00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:42,079
annual annual tax rate. Um, often
they'll escalate with with each um year

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that is kept vacant. Um, you can go to
the next slide.

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So the other thing I want to just do at
the at the top end is is state clearly a

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lot of jurisdictions that we've seen
work on this start this process with

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understanding what specifically the goal
is of a vacancy fee or tax, what issues

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they're trying to solve and what the
ordinance should aim to do. And I would

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just encourage everyone in this
conversation and considering the

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strategies to have that at the forefront
because there's obviously very different

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decision points you make and and
intentional components to include or not

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include depending on your goal for your
vacancy fee. So um these are some of the

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common reasons we see why jurisdictions
decide to take on a vacancy fee. Number

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one, I would say is wanting to reduce
the number of vacant properties and or

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vacant lots. Often this is very closely
paired with an acknowledgement that the

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vacant lots or vacant properties have um
unwanted or unsafe activity happening

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that wouldn't happen if the property was
in use or occupied. So that's obvious

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often a central goal of these policies.
Um the second big goal can be to

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increase the tax base of a jurisdiction.
More often than not, an occupied or an

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improved property is going to be
assessed at a higher market value than a

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vacant property. So, this might be a sub
goal of a vacancy tax or vacancy fee

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that one jurisdiction might consider.
Um, another big one has been that

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00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:09,920
jurisdictions want to bring more units
and lots into use. So, whatever that use

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00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:14,560
may be, housing, community centers,
green space, business, what have you.

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00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:18,320
Um, most of the vacancy rates or vacancy
fees that we see are pushed forward

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because jurisdictions want to see those
lots get into use. And I will note that

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some jurisdictions specifically target
either residential or commercial. Some

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have both. And when we get into the case
studies today, I will go through um two

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examples for commercial and two examples
for residential on the vacancy taxes.

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Next slide.
So, some other reasons you might want to

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pass a vacancy tax or fee. Um this top
one, penalizing negligent owners. I will

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say off the bat that negligence is a big
part of vacant properties throughout the

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whole process. So this is often a goal
that needs to be tackled via various

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00:39:53,920 --> 00:40:01,359
strategies, various tools. So just keep
that in mind as as you're considering

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this. Um when the main goal of a city is
to penalize negligent owners, um this is

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often tied to a subgoal around
properties that have fallen into

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disrepair. And often times we see cities
pass um rehabilitation funds or programs

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to help rehab a property alongside a
vacancy tax to try and work on that

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goal. And across um kind of two angles
of that

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um vacancy taxes and fees have also been
strongly used to penalize speculative

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speculative land ownership practices. So
the idea of property owners sitting on

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land or just holding on to land with the
hopes that um the value of the property

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will increase year-over-year even
without anything being done to the

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property. That is speculative land
practice, speculative speculative land

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00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:51,920
ownership practice, excuse me. And um
often times jurisdictions will take on a

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vacancy fee to target specifically that
behavior and wanting to make sure that

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the property owners that just sit on
their property keeping it vacant

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year-over-year are heavily
disincentivized from doing that. And

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then lastly, we've seen some
jurisdictions that are interested in

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helping property owners find tenants.
Sometimes in certain jurisdictions,

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commercial or residential, there's just
a disconnect and there's not um clear

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00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,440
pathways to get tenants into vacant
properties. So, it's less about

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00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,839
negligence and more about property
owners not seeing or finding the options

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00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:26,240
to fill their units. And so, that's
another um kind of goal that could be

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targeted.
Next slide.

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And thanks for advancing. So, I just
want to put it plainly here. The biggest

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takeaway from all the different cities
we've seen do vacancy fees um is pretty

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much boiled down to this. For most
jurisdictions, the point is almost never

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just to generate revenue, i.e. tax the
owners. Usually the point is to activate

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00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:52,960
the spaces and most jurisdictions are
approaching vacancy taxes or vacancy

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00:41:50,240 --> 00:42:00,160
fees from an angle of wanting their
neighborhoods or downtown or communities

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to be lively and used and in the best um
the highest usage possible and vacancies

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00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:10,000
are obviously the lowest end of that
scale. So, just a a plug to kind of

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center the goal and and be intentional
about the decisions you make to craft a

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given policy and thinking about all of
these when thinking about a a vacancy

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00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:21,280
fee.
All right, so I'm going to move into the

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case studies and kind of what we are
seeing elsewhere. Um, you can go to the

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next slide. I'm going to start with
Lakewood, Colorado, which has a vacant

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property fee. Um, Lakewood is a suburb
just outside of Denver. It is a smaller

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jurisdiction, not as small as Ipsy, but
around 150,000 people. And um their

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vacancy property fee went into effect in
September of 2025, so just about a year

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00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:51,520
out from it. Um and it is mainly
targeted to commercial buildings. So in

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Lakewood, there is a $700 registration
fee fee every 6 months. Property owner

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is um required to pay that and it is
required to register a vacant property

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after it is vacant for just 30 days. So,
this is one of the most frequent fees

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00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:10,720
we've seen and also requires a pretty
fast turnaround. Once your building is

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00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:15,839
vacant, once it's declared vacant for 30
days, you have to be registered and

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00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:19,200
paying that fee. Um, Lakewood, Colorado
also has a very interesting part of

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00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:25,359
their ordinance where they have a
services response fee. Um, that's an

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00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:29,119
extra $800 added to your registration
fee you pay every 6 months when

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00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:33,440
emergency services are called to the
property. This was largely incentivized

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00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:38,560
or initiated, I should say, because in
Lakewood specifically, police, fire,

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00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:44,160
code enforcement, other city resources
were being used on vacant properties at

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00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:49,440
a really high rate. Um, and it was also
causing a lot of uh like issues around

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00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:53,839
safety for the people in the area and
the people on the properties. And so

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00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:57,920
they added this fee to to both center
safety and also make sure that city

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00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:01,680
services are not being used on
properties that are vacant when that

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00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:05,200
could otherwise be paid for by the
owner.

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Um, and I'll note one more thing about
Colorado. They have this Colorado state

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um same restrictions as Michigan does,
which I think Jasmine will get more

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into, but the fees in Colorado have to
be proportionate to the amount of

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service that you provide in order to
maintain a program. So, the example in

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Colorado is a good option to consider
since um there are similar limitations

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00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:31,440
on on the fees and taxes. Um and then
just some some more details about vacant

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00:44:29,359 --> 00:44:37,040
property fees in Lakewood. The
properties that are actively for sale

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00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:41,920
are exempt and um liquid's property or
vacant property fee was really targeted

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00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:46,880
to try and get um empty units either
demolished or into use. And so the um

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00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,839
there's a larger program called the
distressed property program and part of

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00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:54,319
that is the lakewood reinvestment
authority which offers a revol revolving

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00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:58,160
loan fund to pay for the cost of defol
demolition excuse me. So there's an

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00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:01,040
understanding that um some of these
properties that have been vacant for a

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while have fallen into disrepair and
it's pretty costly to actually try to

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00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:12,400
demolish or sell um and get into use.
And so the city via the reinvestment

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00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:17,200
authority offers um this revolving loan
fund to cover the cost of demolition and

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then the um the the city is repaid once
the property sells. Um just in the year

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00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:27,839
since it's been implemented there has
been um first motel vacant blue sky

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00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:32,400
motel um has been a part of this
program. It is um you know they were

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00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:37,440
going to be charged a lot of fees. It is
now it was a vacant property for many

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00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:42,400
many years um with lots of police calls
and safety issues and and uh fire called

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00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:45,920
called to the property and now is owned
by the city and has recently been

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00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:51,119
demolished with the materials recycled
and prepared for for sale.

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Next slide.
So our next example is Portland, Maine.

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Um, in case you end up googling,
Portland, Oregon is also considering a

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00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:04,319
vacancy ordinance, but Portland, Maine
is the one that's active right now. So,

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they have a vacant storefront ordinance,
and theirs is focused in the downtown

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00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:12,880
area. They have a pedestrian zone, which
is actually just a zoning district

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00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:16,960
overlay, and their vacant storefront
ordinance is applicable to ground level

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00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:22,480
commercial spaces, specifically in that
pedestrian zone. Um, the the ordinance

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00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:26,480
requires them to pay escalating fines.
Um, they define a vacant building as

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00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:31,200
vacant for six months and then once they
hit the six-month mark, the owners have

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00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:36,400
30 days to register. Um, you can see
there it's a $500 fee for every 6 months

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00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:41,280
vacant. And then they have a pretty
aggressive escalating fine structure

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00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:46,319
where it's $1,000 additional every year
it's vacant up to 7500

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00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:50,400
$7,500.
Um, there are exemptions for the vacancy

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00:46:48,319 --> 00:46:55,200
storefront ordinance in Portland. The
fines are waved if owners allow art in

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00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:58,319
the storefront window. So, the city of
Portland, Maine, will pay for art to

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00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:03,359
fill a storefront window because they
don't want the downtown area to seem

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00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:08,160
empty. So, filling the window makes the
appearance that it's full and then

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00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:13,119
they've seen a red reduction in criminal
activity or unwanted activity in these

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00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:17,680
vacant units. And Portland also has an
180day temporary use permit available

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00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:21,760
for these vacant properties. Um, the
idea is to put popups in the unit, the

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00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:26,480
commercial unit or the storefront
window. Again, to either temporarily

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00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:31,920
fill the unit in the commercial, sorry,
that downtown pedestrian district and

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00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:35,119
also just to help the appearance of of
making sure it doesn't look like it's an

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00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:38,400
empty storefront. So, it's trying to
discourage some of the activity that

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would otherwise maybe be invited by a
vacant unit.

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Um, one thing I'll note about Portland,
they have passed in October 2025.

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They've went into implementation April
2026, so they're about 4 months in. Um,

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00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:57,119
they had a really recent immediate
success in this longtime vacant building

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00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:02,640
called the Schwarz building that was
empty for 15 years. When Portland passed

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their ordinance, um, it was in effect
and they notified vacant property owners

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00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:12,560
and it was backdated. So, the Schwarz
building would have had to pay close to

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00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:17,119
$95,000 in fees, which was obviously a
big incentive to not have to pay that.

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And so, the Schwarz building after
passage of this ordinance um started

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00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:24,880
leasing to a coffee shop pretty
immediately. And, you know, the the

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00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:28,640
ordinance has has worked to kind of
prevent that vacancy.

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00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:32,880
Um so, just to mention a few more
additional support for Portland, just

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00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:36,160
like um Lakewood, this is kind of like a
wraparound. their their goal is really

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00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:41,200
around activating the commercial units
downtown. So, the city provides a couple

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00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:45,200
of additional support to this the vacant
storefront ordinance. One is that the

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00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:49,280
city connects commercial property owners
to prospective commercial tenants

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00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:53,280
through a program that um looks for
startups or just new businesses who are

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00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,920
looking to begin leasing out a
commercial space and links them with

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00:48:54,640 --> 00:49:01,040
folks that are registered as a
commercial property um vacant commercial

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00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:06,640
property in the area. And the city also
offers interest free loans up to $20,000

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00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:10,800
for commercial properties within that
district to improve the facade,

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00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:14,480
lighting, entryway upgrades, excuse me,
entryway upgrades and signs. So there's

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00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:18,400
kind of a wholehearted kind of
comprehensive approach from Portland

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00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:22,800
Maine to activate these buildings
downtown.

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Next slide. [clears throat] So I'll
briefly go over the next two. These two

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are in jurisdictions much larger than
Ipsy with more staffing capacity, bigger

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00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:35,200
budgets, but I just want to mention them
since they are good examples of how this

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00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:40,079
can work for residential. Minneapolis,
Minnesota has a vacant building registry

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00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:44,319
and they have a $24,000 annual fee for
vacant residential buildings. I know

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00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:49,520
this is not possible for Ipsy at the
time at the current moment, but I want

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00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:53,040
to offer it because it is worked really
well and has, you know, a huge fee on

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00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:58,800
these residential properties that has
made it come incredibly um unappealing

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00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:04,559
to keep your property empty.
And then the next one is Vancouver, BC

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00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:09,599
in Canada. I mentioned this one because
it is one of the first vacancy taxes in

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00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:15,440
the US or North America really. Um, it's
from 2017 and they have an increased tax

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00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:20,400
rate for empty units in a building. So,
not just a whole apartment complex, but

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00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:25,680
individual units that are left empty for
over 6 months of the year. Um, this

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00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:30,319
policy has been, you know, Vancouver is
an extremely tight market and it's about

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00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:36,480
making units available in a very tight
housing market. So again, maybe not the

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00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:41,839
most adjacent to Ipsy, but I do mention
it because it has reduced vacant homes

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00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:46,480
significantly since since its inception,
vacant homes that are down 67% in the

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00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:50,160
last 9 years since it was passed. And it
has also generated quite a lot of funds

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00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:55,839
for affordable housing programs, which I
know is not quite an option IPS. So just

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00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:59,520
offer those two for residential.
And then um you can go to the next

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00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,800
slide. I'll kind of wrap up here with
just a few of the lessons learned/t

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00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:08,400
takeaways that we've seen from other
jurisdictions that have passed vacancy

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00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:11,040
taxes or vacancy fees. Um, one big thing
is that these policies are most

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00:51:09,839 --> 00:51:15,760
effective when you have a clear
understanding of the types of vacancies

622
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:19,599
in your locality. Uh, we spoke to city
staff and it sounds like through the

623
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:22,880
vacant um the vacancy registry you all
have that information already which is

624
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:27,040
great. These are just some of the
questions that are asked upon um

625
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:31,520
jurisdictions considering this type of
an ordinance. Um but you guys are

626
00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:36,480
already there which is awesome. Um
another big thing is that compounding

627
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:41,680
escalating fines and I'll add escalating
enforcement as well is a really strong

628
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:45,440
tool to target speculative behavior. You
want to make it really expensive to sit

629
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:49,520
on land. That's what an effective
vacancy fee will do. And that's kind of

630
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:52,800
the hope for a lot of cities or
jurisdictions that pass these

631
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:56,960
ordinances.
And then the last point on there to

632
00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:02,640
activate vacant spaces. It is important
to both incentivize new tenants/owners

633
00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:06,000
and to penalize existing vacancies. So
just considering both the care and the

634
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:12,040
stick of your approach and also of
course centering the goal of what you

635
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:12,040
want to do with your vacancy ordinance.

636
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:20,240
Um I think there's a couple more slides.
Um yeah, these two are the last two

637
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:23,440
takeaways.
One thing that has been really clear

638
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:28,240
when we see other jurisdictions look
into this tool is that this is a very

639
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:33,119
strong messaging point. Um you know,
residential vacancies are really hard to

640
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:38,480
justify in any landscape with a high
housing demand. I think at this at this

641
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:42,079
time point in time, almost every city or
county is dealing with high housing

642
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:44,559
demand. So, just keeping this at the
forefront when you're talking about

643
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:50,079
leaving units empty, you're talking
about people who could have access to

644
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:54,880
homes or shelter and are not. Um, so
just a strong takeaway to keep in mind.

645
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:58,160
And then along the same point, um, you
know, vacant land is the worst case

646
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:01,839
scenario in terms of land use options.
So, this has also been a really central

647
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:06,319
point of vacancy fees across the
country. You know, when you have a land

648
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:11,200
or a lot or a building that is empty, it
is taking over space that could be used

649
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:16,160
for literally anything else. Parks,
housing, garden, community space,

650
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:21,680
whatever. So, any kind of crackdown on
vacant lots, vacant units is a benefit

651
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:25,920
to the community and like a lack of
action on that point leaves the

652
00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:30,800
community missing out. So, just some
things to keep at the forefront. And

653
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:33,920
then I just had think of one more sl two
more slides. um just want to offer some

654
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:38,960
adjacent strategies to consider.
Obviously in those case studies are

655
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:42,480
focused on vacancy ordinances or
vacancies that a lot of the

656
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:48,480
jurisdictions that have effectively
reduce vacancies partner or kind of

657
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:53,200
couple a vacancy tax or fee with other
strategies. So I'll run through these

658
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:57,839
briefly. Um want to offer escalation and
receiverhip as a kind of progressive

659
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:01,680
enforcement to to consider as an
additional strategy. So, this is the

660
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:06,240
idea that after a certain amount of
years and a certain amount of attempts

661
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:10,319
to contact a property owner, if the lot
or or building is still vacant, the

662
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:14,559
jurisdiction actually takes it over.
Baltimore does this with their inrem

663
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:19,920
foreclosure process. Basically, the city
of Baltimore is able to foreclose on the

664
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:23,680
leans on a vacant lot or building if the
value of the leans exceeds the assessed

665
00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:28,079
value of the property. So, the leans
would be things like unpaid property

666
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:31,920
taxes, potentially the vacant tax or
fine, um environmental citations, water

667
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:35,680
bills, anything that the city is
charging against the property. Um, if it

668
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:40,640
gets to a certain point, the city of
Baltimore is able to actually take over

669
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:44,880
ownership of that lot or unit.
Um, another thing to consider is a

670
00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:49,280
repeat offender of sorts. Put it in
quotes. You can choose how to name it.

671
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:53,920
Um, since you already have a vacant
property registry, it might be pretty

672
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:58,400
easy to track if a given property owner
would have multiple vacant properties, a

673
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:02,559
jurisdiction could consider tracking
this and deciding a certain cap. Once

674
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:06,960
you hit certain number of properties or
fines, the owner would lose um

675
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:13,400
certificate of occupancy or ability to
operate in that jurisdiction.

676
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,400
And then one more.

677
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:20,400
Thank you so much. Um, the last couple
things I'll mention here, land value tax

678
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:24,960
is another strategy to consider. This is
where you tax the land itself rather

679
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:30,240
than anything built on the land. So, a
single family home is then taxed the

680
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:34,880
same as an empty lot. Um, and this is
really strong for discouraging land

681
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:38,720
hoarding, speculation. If you are paying
the same amount of taxes whether

682
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:41,839
something's built on the lot lot or not,
it's going to be an incentive to build

683
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:44,800
because you're getting taxed the exact
same amount. Like, you don't want to

684
00:55:43,359 --> 00:55:49,680
keep it empty.
Um, a jurisdiction can also consider

685
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:54,293
incentives for timely occupancy. So,
potentially making local funds available

686
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:58,079
to owners who activate um their
[clears throat] vacant property or get

687
00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:01,839
someone a a tenant or someone leasing
the property within a certain amount of

688
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:06,640
time if you want to kind of encourage
rapid um occupancy. And then the last

689
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:11,839
thing I'll mention is adaptive reuse.
Um, you know, this is a lengthier, more

690
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:16,079
complex, multi-step process, but the
idea of identifying identifying vacant

691
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:21,520
units or buildings and converting them
into um residential units. This has been

692
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:24,559
done actually really well in Michigan. I
know Detroit is very different than

693
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:28,319
Ipsy, but I pulled that example because
Detroit was able to use a lot of state

694
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:32,960
funds that I think would be available to
Ipsy as well to launch their

695
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:36,720
institutional adaptive building reuse
program that looks at empty or

696
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:42,079
underutilized buildings such as like
post offices or libraries or old um

697
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:46,400
railroad stations. I mean, a lot of
different institutional buildings that

698
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:50,400
can then be converted into housing. And
adaptive reuse can obviously be used for

699
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:54,799
many things, but considering you know
what use might make most sense for that

700
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:59,119
given area is really strong.
Acknowledging that, you know, a vacant

701
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:04,000
sea or keeping it unoccupied is is the
lowest benefit to the public.

702
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:07,599
All right, I know I ran through a lot,
but I'm going to pass it over to

703
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:11,880
Jasmine,
and I'll have her take it from here.

704
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:17,520
» Okay, great. Hello, everyone.
>> Hello. Um, thank you so much for

705
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:22,960
inviting me and myself to present for
you. Um, and I think um, probably Mia's

706
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:29,920
presentation is going to be the most
useful for this body in terms of some

707
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:34,480
innovative uh, policy solutions. So, um,
but um, I have some some details on

708
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:37,760
Michigan in specific that I think uh,
might be of interest to this group and

709
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:41,839
I'm very grateful for the opportunity to
present to you all. So, um I work for

710
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:47,440
the Home Rule Project, which is a
nonprofit um that aims to restore home

711
00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:53,040
rule powers that are taken away from
cities and eliminate um corporate rule

712
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:58,160
over cities and to instead encourage and
empower community rule and and um local

713
00:57:55,839 --> 00:58:02,160
decision-m. Um we do this by advancing
research, education, and policy

714
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:06,960
solutions to empower local governments.
We're grounded in the belief that those

715
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:11,440
closest to the problem are closer to the
solution. Um and and our goal is to

716
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:15,599
ensure that when local governments set
their own standards for development and

717
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:20,480
investment um that that will best mean
that prosperity reaches every

718
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:24,480
neighborhood and census tract etc. So um
to just really go through what um I hope

719
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:27,760
to cover in my um brief presentation
today. I'm just going to talk a little

720
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:30,640
bit from my I live in Detroit. I do not
live in Ipsellani. So I was looking into

721
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:35,440
some of the data and I'll talk about
what I saw about Ipsilani that I imagine

722
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:40,640
um this council probably already um is
aware of. Um, and then, um, uh, I'll

723
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:44,079
talk about, we also talked about this,
I'll talk about some goals with the

724
00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:47,359
vacant property laws, talk about what a
vacancy tax could look like, the

725
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:51,760
legislative landscape on that, and then
if this body is interested, what some

726
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:56,000
next steps for consideration might be.
So, um, this is a map. I took it from

727
00:58:53,920 --> 00:59:00,720
the county website. It looks like it was
last created or updated in 2025. So, I

728
00:58:58,799 --> 00:59:06,400
don't, um, exactly know. Alpha course
vacancy is something that can shift. Um

729
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:11,680
so um that being said, it looks like the
city of Ipsellani has um some higher

730
00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:15,440
vacancy rates compared to the rest of
county. There are some online

731
00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:21,200
aggregators that place it residential
vacancy at 6 to 7%. This map seems to

732
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:25,520
indicate closer to 5% for some um tracks
of the city. Um obviously there are some

733
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:29,520
precipitating factors to this. There's a
high rent population in Absillani.

734
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:35,119
There's a lot of uh students in the
area. Um and as uh M was noting there

735
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:42,160
are various properties in the city that
are owned by LLC's. Um also some clearly

736
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:46,000
owned by you know just individuals and
like Mia was saying um you know when it

737
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:49,040
comes to property speculation that's
generally something that people want to

738
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:56,000
discourage. We want you know space to be
active and useful. Um, so I had the u

739
00:59:52,799 --> 01:00:04,079
wonderful opportunity to um talk with uh
New York City staffers about um vacant

740
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:08,960
um vacant property uh fee program and um
it to me seems like a a reasonably

741
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:14,000
robust program. It's integrated with the
code enforcement. Um and so um you know

742
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:17,040
I think the city of Ipsellain and seems
to have been like ramped up in the last

743
01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:22,480
year. I think the city has a lot of
actually good data and resources on its

744
01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:26,319
hands to really take an evaluative look
at vacant properties in the city, which

745
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:34,559
is something I would probably encourage
like diving deeper on um with city staff

746
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:39,119
too. Um so based on some uh probing I've
done and this is using um the county's

747
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:43,440
website and then you know using some
Zillow estimates and stuff when there is

748
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:49,359
not data available. seems to me that
there's approximately 48ish million

749
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:55,280
dollars in property value being left
idle um or unproductive in the city. And

750
01:00:52,000 --> 01:01:00,559
I think that's uh really the the key
point that we should be grounding some

751
01:00:57,359 --> 01:01:05,359
of the um policy decisions around vacant
properties in um I think this represents

752
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:10,480
a really big opportunity for the city of
Ipsellanei. Now I'm going to say this,

753
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:15,680
this is my number, okay? And so, um, a a
a great idea would be to really dive

754
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:18,880
into this with the city assessor or pay
for a study if this is, um, something

755
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:25,760
the city is really interested in
pursuing to, um, perhaps arrive at a,

756
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:30,000
uh, uh, a number that we're more 100%
sure of. This was based on I I had I

757
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:34,559
left off um 40 of the addresses that
were on the registry because I wasn't

758
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:40,319
really able to find the values. um you
know we used like the uh assessor's data

759
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:44,960
where it was available but um I think
this is a reasonably um conservative

760
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:53,760
estimate because we did leave those 40
values or 40 properties off um this also

761
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:57,920
includes our road one so um
so um but yeah there are you know

762
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:02,240
monthly fees for inspections for vacant
properties that are actively tied to um

763
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:08,319
the city's fees. there's also um an
escro program that staff feel has been

764
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:13,599
pretty successful. Um so um I think you
know if landing has uh some like work to

765
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:17,839
be proud of when it in terms of like the
um property enforcement that there's

766
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:23,280
that they've done. Um but I think Mia
also um provided some like really

767
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:26,720
interesting policy examples that it
would be good for the um you know the

768
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:33,839
council to to consider, but that's
really um her area of expertise. Um me

769
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:40,720
talked about goals as well. Um I uh in
my view I think that uh fees are can be

770
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:45,119
effective in reducing and removing
blight and getting compliance with parts

771
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:49,440
of city code. But uh I think if we're
really interested in moving markets

772
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:54,160
because of this the restrictive nature
of Michigan um or precedent when it

773
01:02:52,079 --> 01:03:00,640
comes to a fee has to be representative
of like costs. Um, I think we could

774
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:04,160
consider that uh taxes might better
accomplish if goals if you're really

775
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:08,319
trying to move the market and more
aggressively attack um vacant

776
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:12,160
properties. And I think we've seen um in
some of these other cities and the

777
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:15,520
examples that Mia has provided that when
the fees are much much higher, more

778
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:20,319
exorbitant, that tends to be what's
moving things. So I think the fees could

779
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:25,440
get more compliance, but taxes I believe
would move the market um in in a bigger

780
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:30,720
way. So of course in Michigan though we
live in a tax preempted environment um

781
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:38,720
because of our uh you know the
constitution in 19 what is it 62 63. Um

782
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:42,880
so um we make it very easy to give money
away and give away tax incentives. Um

783
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:46,960
and we make it much harder to really
hold people accountable or tax um

784
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:51,599
businesses or entities or property in
inventive ways. And that's just the

785
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:58,079
structure of what we have in the state.
Um so um but if I if I know this is a

786
01:03:56,240 --> 01:04:03,920
place where um you know the city tends
to be more interested in some innovative

787
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:10,079
uh public policy if the city wants to um
do a a genuine vacancy tax. Um it that

788
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:14,000
would that would be an addition onto the
city's property taxes because it's an

789
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:20,160
addition onto the city's property taxes
similar to like owner occupied or

790
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:26,720
non-owner occupied. Um the um based on
um my looking around um you would have

791
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:30,960
to amend several Michigan laws um to
make that possible similar to what um

792
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:36,240
the city of Detroit attempted to do for
the land value tax. And so that means

793
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:41,440
amending the general property tax act,
the tax and vertically title act, the

794
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:49,039
act and the income tax act. Um because
you know your property taxes are okay.

795
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:52,720
Um, so, uh, so here's some some
suggested next steps based on like what,

796
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:57,839
you know, the the this body might be
interested in doing. Um, I would dive

797
01:04:54,720 --> 01:05:02,079
more more into the, um, I think great
work that the city has already done on

798
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:07,359
with its vacancy program and code
enforcement. Um, Mia referenced this.

799
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:11,039
Are there more 911 and emergency calls
to properties? Is there um, I assume

800
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:16,880
there is a much more code enforcement at
these properties. I would look at some

801
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:22,559
of the disperate resources that um the
city's uh work has to address advocate

802
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:27,520
units as well to get a better picture.
That's just not something I'm quite able

803
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:31,039
to do. Um and then um at that point
you're looking at doing um enacting

804
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:36,240
legislation unfortunately with the
legislature and amending those various

805
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:40,720
um amending those various laws. I know
um you know this is an interesting time.

806
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:44,079
There's a lot of local governments and
state governments where new people are

807
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:48,640
being elected. Michigan's legislature of
course has term limits and has massive

808
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:54,240
turnovers all the time. Um I would look
and see I think this is not a problem

809
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:58,559
that is of course is not unique to um I
certainly I live next door to two vacant

810
01:05:55,839 --> 01:06:02,799
houses okay in my neighborhood. So um my
you know my next door neighbors to the

811
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:06,880
right and to the right again. So, um I
think this is something that uh affects

812
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:10,960
a lot of Michigan communities and that's
so I think that there would potentially

813
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:15,599
be a lot of people um interested in
this. So there might be other cities um

814
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:19,920
or townships even in the area that are
also interested in this policy. And so I

815
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:22,960
think if this is something that if wants
to take seriously and wants to do

816
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:27,520
greater study on there might be other
cities um to work with. Um and then of

817
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:30,640
course after you get enacting
legislation of course as you're very

818
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:36,160
familiar with um you know you'd have to
get voter approval. So it's likely a

819
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:42,319
multi-year timeline to be able to um
accomplish a actual vacancy tax uh in

820
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:47,200
the city of Sling. So um those are my
slides but um just let me know if you

821
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:51,599
have any questions for myself or for Mia
and then I'm going to kind of screw my

822
01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:57,119
business card um around maybe on the
table out in front.

823
01:06:54,319 --> 01:07:02,880
Thank you for the presentation Jasmine
and

824
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:07,920
um I will send questions or comments
from council

825
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:12,960
more fellows.
>> Hi, thanks for being here tonight. Um, I

826
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:17,680
want to thank both you Jasmine and Mia
for a presentation on kind of like a

827
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:23,760
more macro level scope of what is
possible around the country and then

828
01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:28,240
also the customizing it to our needs in
in Michigan. So, I really appreciate

829
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:34,160
that and also appreciate the work that
was done before this to coordinate with

830
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:39,760
our staff to get um kind of the update
of what we've been doing uh before even

831
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:43,760
entertaining this. Um, unfortunately we
don't have our full council today, so

832
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:49,599
we're not going to get the full scope of
what everybody feels on this issue, but

833
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:54,000
from prior meetings, uh, it was stated
that there was a lot of interest around

834
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:59,119
this issue. So, um, I think we're at a
spot to start looking at legislative

835
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:06,240
strategies. Uh I am intrigued by the
idea of doing a multi-municipal strategy

836
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:11,280
to kind of like uh bring more attention
to some of the preeemptions or some of

837
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:16,000
the barriers to vacancy pack itself and
also maybe exploring the ways in which

838
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:21,679
we could enact it now like with the
Colorado uh example.

839
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:27,359
And I also really appreciated from Mia
the um information about the kind of

840
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:31,359
complimentary strategies that might go
along with uh vacancy fees or taxes

841
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:37,120
because this is something that's a
little bit newer to me about all the

842
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:44,799
different things we could do. Um
maybe what I would ask you is given the

843
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:49,359
particular barriers that we have and
you've been looking at this information,

844
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:55,199
what do you think we would get like the
most bang out of our buck now um in a

845
01:08:53,040 --> 01:09:01,440
shorter timeline than this kind of
multi-year vacancy tax strategy.

846
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:05,120
» Yeah. Well, I think when we when it
comes to um attacking preeemptions and

847
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:08,159
then you know I'm sure the council knows
but um for anyone in the audience, you

848
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:12,080
know, a preeemption is when a higher
form of government prevents a local a

849
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:16,880
lower form of government from enacting
what it might want to do. Typically um

850
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:20,719
you know they set a floor and not a
ceiling. Um but that's not always the

851
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:27,520
case. Anyway, um when it comes to
tackling preeemptions, um I think the

852
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:35,279
the strongest argument that um you will
be able to have is when you work around

853
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:40,960
the preeemption to the extent legally
possible. And so I think having like a

854
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:44,319
strong local vacant property program,
ramping it up, I you know, I didn't know

855
01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:47,839
about Colorado service fees, for
example, that they do. that might be

856
01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:55,520
something else to like look into and add
on to the program. Um so um I would

857
01:09:51,679 --> 01:10:02,239
certainly recommend enforcing um the uh
fees related to service to the extent

858
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:06,800
possible and uh using that to see how
effective it is. Um if it's a little bit

859
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:11,840
effective but not really tackling the
problem, I think that makes the case

860
01:10:08,719 --> 01:10:17,199
even stronger to remove the preeemption
legislatively. And so I would definitely

861
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:20,199
um I would definitely encourage that.
Yeah.

862
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:26,640
» Thank you, mayor. Thanks for the
presentation.

863
01:10:24,719 --> 01:10:32,560
Curious one of the I think the first
example city example that you use from

864
01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:37,280
Colorado for your college use
I read that right suggested that the

865
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:43,600
vacancy
tax or fee kicked in after just 30 days.

866
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:50,320
So I wonder if you'd talk about the the
timing. I also wonder if talk about

867
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:56,320
how do you handle when there are very
legitimate reasons for property being

868
01:10:52,719 --> 01:11:01,040
vacant. So for example, you're updating
mechanicals or you're fixing the

869
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:05,600
structural problem.
>> Yeah, for sure. Um, I'm going to mostly

870
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:11,440
let Mia answer that, I believe. But I
did want to note that um, my

871
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:15,199
understanding is that um, insulin for a
property to even really be like flagged

872
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:20,239
or tagged as vacant and get added to the
registry, it's typically because city

873
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:24,400
staff have noticed issues with the
property or have like apparently noticed

874
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:27,520
that it's vacant through mail piling up
or code violations or like a tree fall.

875
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:30,880
I think an example is like a tree fell
on part of a property or something and

876
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:34,960
it never really got addressed and or
part of a structure never got addressed

877
01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:39,840
and um those like signs and signals that
it's actually vacant. And so um in my

878
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:43,040
mind that would indicate that there's
probably properties that are vacant for

879
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:46,320
quite some time before they're even
added to this registry in the first

880
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:51,280
place. And so there might be sort of an
inherent um buffer. But I think um it

881
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:55,199
would certainly I mean you know having
the values of knowing that solutions are

882
01:11:52,719 --> 01:12:04,239
grounded locally. is a college town, you
know, a college county in some ways. So,

883
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:09,920
um I think um it it would be um uh
certainly relevant to include exemptions

884
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:15,120
um and in a time period to come into
compliance with um any vacant property

885
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:19,280
ordinance or tax. But Mia, do you want
to

886
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:23,440
» Yeah. Yeah, I can weigh in. I I mean,
basically to what you just said, I think

887
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:27,520
it's all in the exemptions. Um, Lakewood
is small but not as small as Ipsy. So, I

888
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:30,960
think the way it works with Lakewood of
Colorado, they'll the city will identify

889
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:34,239
the property and mail out the notice.
And from the notice, hey, we've noticed

890
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:39,280
your property is vacant. You have 30
days to register. That's how they do

891
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:43,120
their process. I think very much up to
you all, you know Ipsy best, you know

892
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:47,120
the process best as to when you
determine when a property is vacant. 30

893
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:51,040
days is obviously quick, maybe it's
longer, but I would just offer that. Um,

894
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:55,840
I think a lot of that is in the
exemptions if exemptions and process.

895
01:12:53,679 --> 01:12:59,840
So, if you had a some kind of like a
zoning board or like a land use board

896
01:12:57,679 --> 01:13:04,400
that you already have for the city,
making that process available to

897
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:08,239
property owners to kind of appeal or
basically just come forward and say,

898
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:12,480
"Hey, my property is vacant. I've
acknowledged it. I I got the letter,

899
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:17,920
what have you. The reason it's vacant is
XYZ." and allowing for that built-in

900
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:22,239
appeal process is probably a smart um
you know part of your ordinance to

901
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:25,920
include. If not that, then some other
way to either like through a city staff

902
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:29,760
department or something for property
owners to share a reason for their

903
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:34,159
vacancy would probably make a lot of
sense. If it feels like too cumbersome

904
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:37,360
to do a person by person individual case
like that, it would just be in your

905
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:42,000
exemption. So you could kind of spell
out, oh, this propertyy's, you know,

906
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:46,159
undergoing renovations or this property
is for sale or this property, you know,

907
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:50,159
we received a signed letter from the
property owner as to why it's vacant. I

908
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:54,080
think you could bake it in that way and
kind of all leave for more flexibility

909
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:57,840
to tailor to that because, you know, as
we both kind of alluded to, it's not

910
01:13:55,600 --> 01:14:01,199
intended to penalize people who are
actively trying to get their properties

911
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:04,800
in use. It's more the negligent behavior
that we want to avoid. So I think, yeah,

912
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:08,600
definitely build that into the
ordinance. Right.

913
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:17,760
And council member Simmons, I see you
join us. I see your hand.

914
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:23,199
» Thank you for the the answer to that.
Um, a little further a field. Does your

915
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:27,520
work on preeemption go beyond housing or
is it strictly relative?

916
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:34,880
» Um, oh, it I mean it certainly goes
beyond housing. Um, so um we we do work

917
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:40,719
on uh uh various kinds of preemptions.
Um, at the end of the day, I think in in

918
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:44,239
many cases, preeemption um is is a
neutral tool. We've seen preeemption

919
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:47,920
used for good and for bad. You could
think about, you know, um after the

920
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:52,719
Civil Rights Act, local communities
trying to oppose integration for lo and

921
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:57,040
like public housing units for local
patrol, you know, that's that's some

922
01:14:54,400 --> 01:15:04,159
preemption we um are in favor of civil
rights, you know, but um but um overall

923
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:08,800
um and the trend obviously, I'm sure as
you've experienced in Michigan has been

924
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:14,320
um instituting preemptive laws to the
detriment of what local communities and

925
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:18,560
citizens want. Um we do other kinds of
preeemption. Um I do a lot of work on

926
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:22,159
labor related preemptions and labor and
development related preeemptions. Are

927
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:28,960
you allowed to put um you know mandatory
labor standards etc in into development

928
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:33,679
projects? Um um you know uh we work with
some groups on housing preeemptions

929
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:39,199
related to rent regulations or relating
to implied preeemptions and like the

930
01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:44,480
landlord um tenant relationship
um you know tax related preeemptions. Um

931
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:47,600
and you know if there's uh any
organizers or movements working on other

932
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:50,880
preemptions you know we um of course
like evaluate those with our values and

933
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:55,520
and decide whether or not to take of
that work as well. Yeah.

934
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:59,920
» I'll simply put fireworks on your
>> firework. Yeah. Because as as some

935
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:04,800
people know and as I've complained about
publicly uh the state of Michigan and it

936
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:10,480
wisdom has decided we must allow
fireworks to be blown off for at least

937
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:14,320
11 specific days in the year.
>> Interesting. Okay.

938
01:16:11,679 --> 01:16:17,280
» Which in my mind they have no business
getting in that. But

939
01:16:15,679 --> 01:16:21,040
» lobby must be strong.
>> Yeah. Some some lobbyists got to some

940
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:24,560
state legislators. That's
>> maybe pyro technic has a lot of opinions

941
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:28,560
and wins I guess.
>> Absolutely. And money.

942
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:33,679
» Yeah. Council member Simmons. I see who
on

943
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:36,800
your hand raised.
>> Hi. Can you hear me?

944
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:40,719
» Yes.
>> All right. Thanks y'all. I'm sorry. My I

945
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:45,040
know I'm I'm in the loud space and my
internet is funky.

946
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:49,840
» Um
>> Oh, she It's just what it got louder in

947
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:56,800
a sec. All right. Well, um thank you for
the presentation. Um very helpful

948
01:16:54,480 --> 01:17:00,640
and just wanted to lift up a couple of
things that I was like that seemed

949
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:08,320
really interesting and definitely want
to um explore more. And also just saying

950
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:14,159
too, I also like a lot of options that
can build on things that we already have

951
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:18,640
too. Um, and to think about how we can
round it out. Um, so things like the

952
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:24,000
repeat offender
um idea, which I think can build on a

953
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:30,320
couple of other things um in terms of
safety. Um, also how um so that property

954
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:36,239
owners aren't kind of having certain
properties that are in like really great

955
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:41,440
and really like um not vacant versus and
ones that aren't. So like they kind of

956
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:50,480
use them against each other. Um and then
also I also am interested in this um

957
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:57,280
further conversation about
um how like with that IPS's vacancy

958
01:17:53,760 --> 01:18:02,080
rates are higher than other parts of the
county. Um that seemed really

959
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:10,400
interesting to kind of explore to
understand more about why.

960
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:18,159
Um, also the emergency service um fee.
Um, I'd be interested in

961
01:18:14,719 --> 01:18:21,760
understanding more about what that what
calls for service are already happening

962
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:25,440
and maybe that's something that we can
look at already with our call for

963
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:31,520
services
um information to know how effective

964
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:37,600
that would be um or if that's something
that would be relevant for our context.

965
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:41,600
Um, I also was interested in the pieces
too that were looking at ways that um,

966
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:47,520
you know, I appreciated kind of looking
at like the goals and like why we do

967
01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:52,080
this and that it's not to try to be in
opposition,

968
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:56,960
you know, with our community, but, you
know, to enliven it. And so thinking

969
01:18:55,360 --> 01:19:02,239
about
opportunities to be in partnership and I

970
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:09,440
I don't I wasn't sure what examples
there were too about um things like how

971
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:13,880
the city would partner to help fill the
vacancies like to help find

972
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:31,120
» or those properties like in And last
thing I just noted here was just the

973
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:34,480
thinking about how to
>> I'm sorry.

974
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:40,320
» Yeah, you're you're breaking up just a
little bit.

975
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:47,199
» Okay. Um, and then the other thing was
just thinking about um finding this

976
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:53,840
information out to get a more accurate
number um with the assessor because of

977
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:58,560
course that 48.9
million

978
01:19:55,360 --> 01:20:04,560
um you know that sounds like a lot of
money um and you know what we could be

979
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:10,320
doing with that. So that's that feels
like a really good kind of part of our

980
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:16,880
information finding in terms of how we
want to um lay foundation and baseline

981
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:21,360
for this work.
>> For sure. And and just really quickly, I

982
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:26,960
would encourage getting obviously the
assessed value, um the tax assessed

983
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:30,640
value, and then um some estimates of
what the market value would be would

984
01:20:28,719 --> 01:20:37,280
just like typically write like 20 or
sorry um twice the assessed value um to

985
01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:40,800
to get like a picture of like what the
full picture potential revenue for the

986
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:44,480
city could be. And that is one of the
things that I think is uh and I did not

987
01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:47,679
say this but was one of the strongest
reasons to potentially institute a tax

988
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:51,679
out of those programs like to help
reactivate the spaces. Obviously that

989
01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:55,760
takes money so you need the revenue to
come from somewhere you know um and it

990
01:20:53,520 --> 01:21:02,239
would be a great situation to um you
know enact a tax that can punish um uh

991
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:05,600
uh speculative practices and then use
that money to work with community

992
01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:09,760
members and owners of properties that
they would like to bring back online to

993
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:14,800
actually renovate. um and and turn them
and return them to um you know community

994
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:21,040
use.
>> And Jasmine, is that how that um that

995
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:28,840
project in
I wrote this down where they have the

996
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:28,840
Yeah. the Lakewood Reinvestity.

997
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:37,640
» So the fees go that go into that are
then used for

998
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:47,840
I don't believe so. I believe it's that
um Colorado has the same situation as

999
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:54,520
Michigan in that a B has to recoup like
city costs or whatever for that service.

1000
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:54,520
Is that correct me? Yeah. Mia

1001
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:08,480
» further comments or
>> Yes. Thank you for the presentation. I

1002
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:13,280
have a question surrounding the
escalation of receiverhip. So the x

1003
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:18,880
amount of years of vacancy as well as
the x amount of attempts to contact is

1004
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:24,239
that directly related or to this
Baltimore's process of you know

1005
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:29,679
foreclosing on leans or is that just an
example of that? Because I know that

1006
01:22:26,719 --> 01:22:33,920
there's some uh some residents that have
are in ownership of homes that are has

1007
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:39,120
been in their families for quite some
time. and the the conversation of

1008
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:43,440
selling is not on the table. Um so are
those two separate or are those

1009
01:22:42,719 --> 01:22:48,560
together?
>> Yeah. Um really quickly, I think it it

1010
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:54,239
would have to be investigated, but I
imagine that like in um first first

1011
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:59,199
defense 100, next second offense 200,
third offense 300 probably wouldn't be

1012
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:05,600
allowed unless it was directly
correlated to like city services. Um um

1013
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:11,040
that being said, I think if there are
like specific ipsilante

1014
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:15,920
um you know situations where people or
uh where people use like a a family

1015
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:22,000
house is like a a gathering house or
something. Um, I think if there are, uh,

1016
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:26,960
you know, specific things that are, um,
particular to the community that you

1017
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:33,120
could explore exceptions for things like
that or define what occupancy and

1018
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:38,639
vacancy is within those bounds. Um, but
Mia, I'm going to let you answer. Sorry.

1019
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:42,480
» Yeah. No, no, you're fine. Um, to answer
directly the question, the Baltimore

1020
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:45,360
example does not require a certain
amount of years or certain amount of

1021
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:51,280
attempts to contact. it's purely based
on if the amount the value of the leans

1022
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:54,480
on the given property is more than the
assessed value of the property. That's

1023
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:59,520
when the city of Baltimore can step in
and take the property. Um the kind of

1024
01:23:57,679 --> 01:24:05,280
like this many years, this many contact
attempts is something that could be an

1025
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:10,880
option to set up I imagine for the city.
I would also offer that through this

1026
01:24:08,239 --> 01:24:15,199
process or if this is a kind of tool the
city wants to take on, you would have

1027
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:18,960
the option for the owner to appeal or go
before that, you know, whatever it is

1028
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:23,280
for your city, the the local land use or
zoning commission or or body to appeal

1029
01:24:21,679 --> 01:24:27,199
for exactly those situations. You
wouldn't want a situation or rather you

1030
01:24:25,679 --> 01:24:30,960
wouldn't want an ordinance that requires
or mandates a city to take over a

1031
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:34,719
property after a certain amount of
things without an opportunity for the

1032
01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:38,880
property owner to kind of appeal or
explain their case. Again, I think this

1033
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:43,920
is important when it's like you have a
family or, you know, clouded title or a

1034
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:47,360
bunch of of um, you know, kids of a
given deceased property owner who are

1035
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:51,440
managing a house together or something
like that. Those situations happen all

1036
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:54,239
the time. And so those people who know
they have the property, you know, it

1037
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:59,040
might be vacant, but they're very aware
of it and they're probably residents of

1038
01:24:56,239 --> 01:25:03,840
the city are not probably the target for
a vacancy ordinance. You're more trying

1039
01:25:00,639 --> 01:25:07,920
to get to the negligent not around
property owners that have let their

1040
01:25:05,679 --> 01:25:12,400
property fall into disrepair. So, I
think I would encourage um if that's

1041
01:25:10,719 --> 01:25:16,080
part of the policy or the ordinance,
just baking in that kind of appeal

1042
01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:19,520
process, choosing whatever body makes
most sense and allowing the property

1043
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:23,679
owners to, you know, explain their case
cuz I think a lot of these are kind of

1044
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:27,360
situational dependency situ
situationally dependent. And the biggest

1045
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:31,120
issue is if you just don't get any
response and you have a completely

1046
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:34,960
absent property owner who won't answer
anything and I don't think what you

1047
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:38,800
described would be that wouldn't be the
case for that situation. if that makes

1048
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:41,520
sense. So, just baking that in an
appeals process would probably respond

1049
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:47,280
to that.
>> Yeah. And and also to um add on to what

1050
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:50,239
Mia said, I don't think I assume I guess
I don't think anyone's interested in

1051
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:54,080
like one, two, three, lose your house,
you know? I mean, let's let's not do

1052
01:25:51,600 --> 01:26:00,320
that, right? Um, but I think if if
someone's being negligent and they've

1053
01:25:56,239 --> 01:26:06,159
tacked up um like you know $50,000 in
like unpaid fines and fees and unpaid

1054
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:11,520
taxes over like many many years from
negligence um and and that um you know

1055
01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:15,120
exceeds the value of the of the
property. I mean 50,000 being on the low

1056
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:19,679
end given the you know housing prices
that we're in. See 100,000 probably

1057
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:24,320
minimum for many properties, right? So,
um, you know, I think, um, there's some

1058
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:27,440
like built-in things there and and you
know, some cities might even forgive the

1059
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:30,719
fees, right, under a certain
circumstance or if you're improving the

1060
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:33,600
property or, you know, so I think
there's lots of ways that you could

1061
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:38,560
design this ordinance to not like
penalize people who aren't doing uh,

1062
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:43,520
speculation. Yeah.
>> Thank you.

1063
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:48,560
» Any further comments or councils? Yeah,
I'm just glad that the receiverhip point

1064
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:52,639
was brought up because that is the Jason
strategy that I was most interested in

1065
01:26:50,719 --> 01:26:58,880
given you know we have a very serious
issue with arbor one and it's to the

1066
01:26:55,360 --> 01:27:03,360
level where it's very unsafe um and you
know situations where somebody loses a

1067
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:09,120
certificate of occupancy for a number of
months or years and also has leans out

1068
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:13,520
and all sorts of fines against it. there
should be that's enough of an argument

1069
01:27:10,719 --> 01:27:19,360
to say that this is no longer um you
know a functional partnership and that a

1070
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:24,800
receiverhip should be on the table. So
um I I know that this been like going

1071
01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:28,159
through the court system, but it's
something that the city could start

1072
01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:32,159
looking at as far as like what would it
look like for the city to do reser

1073
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:37,440
receiverhip of some of these deliquid
properties to um adapt readapt. So, I

1074
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:42,400
appreciate that strategy and I hope that
we um take that seriously going into the

1075
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:45,120
future. And also, um Jasmine, if you
could send your presentation to city

1076
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:48,880
council as well because we didn't get
that in our packet.

1077
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:53,040
» Yeah, and that's my bad. I was um I got
sick and then I was on vacation. I just

1078
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:57,199
came back from up north and no one can
see my sun right now, but there is one.

1079
01:27:54,639 --> 01:28:02,080
So, I did my my slides did not make it
into the packet and I apologize, but

1080
01:27:58,719 --> 01:28:05,600
yes, I would love to email you.
>> Without further, thank you both so much

1081
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:10,320
for your time. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1082
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:14,320
» Thanks so much.
>> Okay, we are going to move into a loaded

1083
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:19,280
agenda.
>> Um,

1084
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:24,199
number two, our first ordinance reading
147

1085
01:28:21,199 --> 01:28:24,199
» 147.

1086
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:35,280
I think the opposite.
>> Yeah, thank you.

1087
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:39,760
» Yeah, you should have um Congratulation
182.

1088
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:43,120
» Yes. Okay. I'm sorry.
>> Um,

1089
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:46,719
so
this is for quote me.

1090
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:51,760
» Oh, 181. Sorry.
>> 181. Okay. Uh, resolution number

1091
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:56,080
2026-181 resolved by the council of the
city of Sani. Whereas YCUA board of

1092
01:28:54,159 --> 01:29:00,320
commissioners approved a recommendation
to city council for a water and

1093
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:04,159
readiness to serve to serve rate
decrease. And whereas the proposed

1094
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:08,239
decrease of 7% to city division
customers would become effective

1095
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:13,520
September 1, 2026. And whereas the Great
Lakes Water Authorities water charge

1096
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:18,480
increase to YCUA was 5.63% which became
effective July 1, 2026. And now

1097
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:24,000
therefore be a resolved city council
approves an ordinance to amend chapter

1098
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:28,080
106 article 5 section 106-454b
of the code of ordinances to adjust

1099
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:31,920
water services service rates within the
city of Ordinance number 1470 upon first

1100
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:37,880
reading and I move
>> the board moved by council member Sus

1101
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:37,880
supported by council member King.

1102
01:29:38,639 --> 01:29:44,639
» Good evening Mayor Brown and members of
council. Um I know there's oh there's

1103
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:49,040
two agenda items for the water consumer
increases. I hope it's acceptable. I

1104
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:52,159
normally like to talk about YUA and a
water bill. We see received one water

1105
01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:56,960
bill. So I talk about everything kind of
as one and then I'll specifically focus

1106
01:29:54,560 --> 01:30:00,400
on the water piece and do that and you
said the next agenda item agenda item

1107
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:03,400
that's accepted.
>> Um

1108
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:14,239
good. Y.
>> So, every year that uh we go into the

1109
01:30:11,679 --> 01:30:18,800
rate and budget setting process, uh it
really kind of starts with what GWA rate

1110
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:23,360
increases to by especially on the water
side of things. That typically uh that

1111
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:26,320
process starts in January, February. Uh
myself and the finance director try to

1112
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:29,440
set what are our goals this year? What
what are the things that we're trying to

1113
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:34,080
achieve? Uh something that the authority
has been impacted by for several years

1114
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:39,280
now is a a declining fund balance that
that is creating some uh operational

1115
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:43,040
issues. Uh, also we have a serious
commitment to reinvest in our capital

1116
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:46,000
infrastructure as you can see just the
amount of water main improvement work

1117
01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:49,679
going on in the city and township.
That's very important for us to invest

1118
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:54,239
in that infrastructure and stay ahead of
catastrophic failures in the system. Uh

1119
01:30:52,480 --> 01:31:01,520
revenue this year is estimated to be
about 52.97 million with expenditures of

1120
01:30:57,440 --> 01:31:05,360
about 51.98 million. Uh
overall expenditures uh we've tried to

1121
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:11,760
keep them as flat as possible. They are
anticipated to increase by about 0.59

1122
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:16,800
million or about 1.2% over last year's
budgeted item. Uh just so council's

1123
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:22,000
aware, GWA did increase YA's water
service charges by 5.63%

1124
01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:25,960
which became effective July 1st of this
year. Um,

1125
01:31:27,679 --> 01:31:32,800
I know this has been discussed at at a
couple previous council meetings. So,

1126
01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:37,840
I'm trying to start to get better at
putting together some different

1127
01:31:33,679 --> 01:31:42,639
infographics for for council uh to kind
of demonstrate the flat usage that we've

1128
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:46,239
seen or declining water usage in the YA
system over the last several years. The

1129
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:50,880
chart on the bottom is just our sales
over the last few years. Uh the table on

1130
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:55,280
the top is just sales for each year, the
percent change from year to year. Uh

1131
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:58,960
what is purchased by the community and
and we're always looking at water loss.

1132
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:03,679
Uh that would be the difference in what
we pay GWA for water versus how much is

1133
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:08,080
actually metered through uh the metering
at residential or commercial properties

1134
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:11,080
and so forth and or sold to our contract
communities.

1135
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:21,280
This chart is just kind of another
visualization of uh different operating

1136
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:26,639
expenses on the water side and as you
can see kind of an increasing line for

1137
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:32,159
operating expenses yet the uh decrease
in water usage creates just that gap. So

1138
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:37,280
essentially the the product that we move
or or that we sell to our customers uh

1139
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:41,159
is getting more expensive to provide and
we sell less of them.

1140
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:47,760
Now, I said I wouldn't talk too much
about sewer, but this is the we're not

1141
01:32:46,159 --> 01:32:52,400
seeing this as much on the sewer side.
So, we see a kind of a different uh

1142
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:56,719
situation operationally to where just
the introduction of additional sewage

1143
01:32:53,920 --> 01:33:00,080
into the system that the sewage uh
volume has been pretty flat. Our

1144
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:06,440
consumption has been fairly flat. We're
increasing and we've held expenses

1145
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,440
pretty close to that.

1146
01:33:19,004 --> 01:33:28,040
» [snorts]
>> Typically things that we spend

1147
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:28,040
less than a million

1148
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:43,040
over a million dollars. We typically
look to

1149
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:47,280
move that project through the safety
that we usually have two phases of that

1150
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:47,280
every single

1151
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:04,679
upcoming debt service.

1152
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:14,000
Just a chart to break down uh the
different allocations of debt service.

1153
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:21,040
The city currently has about 17.63% 63%
of the total debt or about $1.47 million

1154
01:41:17,679 --> 01:41:26,480
annually. Uh or you have about 21% of
the total uh wave water and sewer system

1155
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:29,480
regional system debt within the entire
system.

1156
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:39,840
One of the major factors that uh did
have some influence on our rates this

1157
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:45,119
year was uh uh's largest contract
community which is Pittsville Township.

1158
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:49,280
uh their contract expired and we had not
updated the contract with Pittsfield

1159
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:54,480
since I believe it was 1974.
Uh it was extended many years ago in the

1160
01:41:52,000 --> 01:42:00,880
early 2000s, but the methodology behind
it uh was not there. Um so with the

1161
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:04,560
contract expiring at the end of 25, we
knew that we had to do a cost of service

1162
01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:09,280
study to establish new water rate for
Fitzville Township. uh we took that

1163
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:13,920
opportunity to just do a whole cost of
service study on the water side since

1164
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:17,920
changing something for your largest
customer, not looking at everything else

1165
01:42:15,679 --> 01:42:21,760
felt like we wouldn't be really doing
our due diligence. So, we went through

1166
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:26,719
and and and reset and kind of updated
our water rate methodology uh for all

1167
01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:31,600
customer classes on the water side. Um
the last time we had done that was back

1168
01:42:29,199 --> 01:42:35,920
I believe I wasn't at Y2 at the time was
2018 uh time period that was when we

1169
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:39,760
went away from the search charge system
and went to the RTF system. So it had

1170
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:44,040
been quite a few years since we had
updated our water rate methodologies.

1171
01:42:46,719 --> 01:42:53,600
So based on this information for for an
entire uh water bill, what we are

1172
01:42:50,639 --> 01:42:59,440
proposing is a 7% decrease in water
rates uh for the city uh customer and 2%

1173
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:04,000
increase in sewer rates. Uh for an
average bill, this is about uh we always

1174
01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:08,000
use 10 units of usage, which is when
looking at the data a fairly reasonable

1175
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:16,159
estimate for a single family dwelling.
Uh the bimonthly cost would be $14,183

1176
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:21,000
or a decrease of about $5.17 per bill or
$2.58

1177
01:43:17,679 --> 01:43:21,000
per month.

1178
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:25,080
Always

1179
01:43:26,639 --> 01:43:32,800
want to remind council we share
information and try to connect customers

1180
01:43:30,480 --> 01:43:37,760
uh when they reach out or or contact us
regarding financial assistance. Uh WA

1181
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:43,280
has staff that is trained in uh water
residential assistance program that is

1182
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:48,000
uh partially funded through dollars that
we pay to go and rates. This is a

1183
01:43:45,679 --> 01:43:51,040
separate program that they've set up. Uh
we connect customers with that. It will

1184
01:43:49,679 --> 01:43:56,320
help them with, I believe, somewhere
around $1,200 of plumbing repairs that

1185
01:43:54,320 --> 01:44:03,320
are that may need to be made inside of a
home uh and and with uh payment so forth

1186
01:43:59,679 --> 01:44:03,320
for their water bill.

1187
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:11,920
Welcome to questions.
>> Thank you so much for the presentation.

1188
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:17,119
First of all, always pleased to hear
about a decrease no matter how small. I

1189
01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:23,040
think both are happy to to hear that. um
and that it's you know you all are

1190
01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:27,520
considering um you know the impact on on
users especially as we're seeing water

1191
01:44:25,679 --> 01:44:30,400
usage decrease. I guess one of my
questions that I had and I think I I may

1192
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:34,880
have asked this the last time we went
through doing these presentations is

1193
01:44:31,679 --> 01:44:40,320
just people talk to us about um in terms
of consumption like we see in 2024 there

1194
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:46,960
was a big dip in usage and then an
increase in 2025 like what that kind of

1195
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:50,719
comes from where does that
resident

1196
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:56,719
change
>> I think there's a lot of driving factors

1197
01:44:53,600 --> 01:45:00,000
behind water usage uh hopefully the uh
smart meter system that we're

1198
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:03,600
implementing will give us more real time
uh information on water quad usage.

1199
01:45:01,679 --> 01:45:07,920
Right now we're still uh for the most
part we the city system has been in

1200
01:45:05,440 --> 01:45:11,520
place for by a little less than a year
where we get real time usage. Most time

1201
01:45:10,239 --> 01:45:16,239
we're looking at usage every couple
months every time we go by and read that

1202
01:45:13,199 --> 01:45:20,000
meter. Uh I think weather has a major
impact on water usage. The hotter it is,

1203
01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:24,239
the drier it is. If there's sprinkling
of yards, that tends to dry up water

1204
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:30,080
usage. There's no doubt about that. Uh I
I think every time there's a building

1205
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:34,480
renovated or updated or a new home uh
such as Dorsy Estates put in, you see

1206
01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:39,199
much more efficient utilities and water
appliances within those uh structures. I

1207
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:43,119
think every time a business such as uh
some of our industries here such as

1208
01:45:40,480 --> 01:45:48,480
marsh plating uh or finishing services
has opportunities to uh be more

1209
01:45:46,639 --> 01:45:52,560
efficient with water usage whether it be
within plating line or new business

1210
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:56,719
activity they of course take those
opportunities. Um we have seen a a

1211
01:45:55,280 --> 01:46:00,719
recent uptick as we placed all the
meters within Eastern Michigan campus.

1212
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:05,520
Uh so that's that's something that we
recently completed. Uh so it it doesn't

1213
01:46:03,199 --> 01:46:09,679
always go down, sometimes it does go up.
Uh and and capturing that, you know, a

1214
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:13,679
more accurate water usage, I think, is
important. Uh historically, we haven't

1215
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:18,080
seen a w a lot of water loss in the
system. So I don't think it's due to

1216
01:46:15,679 --> 01:46:23,320
leaky infrastructure, so to speak. Uh
but I do think those are the main

1217
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:23,320
driving facil.

1218
01:46:28,639 --> 01:46:33,760
» Thank you, mayor. You just made a
reference to water loss in the system.

1219
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:38,080
Yes.
>> So, how are we doing with that? I know

1220
01:46:35,440 --> 01:46:43,679
that you worry about your maintenance
and try to minimize that, but are we

1221
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:49,280
trending in the right direction?
Are we going to have problems water loss

1222
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:56,000
20 years from now or
I think we have always stayed below the

1223
01:46:53,280 --> 01:47:00,800
kind of the 10% is the number I see in
standard best practices try to stay

1224
01:46:57,760 --> 01:47:06,239
below that. uh I think last year was 7%.
Some of that I do believe is uh a result

1225
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:10,239
of new metering from GWA and YCA. So
we're seeing a lot of these changes and

1226
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:14,159
we're kind of the orange just a little
bit new.

1227
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:16,800
» I do believe our infrastructure uh
specifically in the city. I think the

1228
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:20,960
city has done a great job of investing
in its infrastructure, coordinating with

1229
01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:26,000
road improvements to stay ahead uh and
not have infrastructure dramatically and

1230
01:47:23,679 --> 01:47:31,280
or having main breaks run as some
communities do for months on end. Uh so

1231
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:35,360
I don't think that's a a city in or YCA
issue. Um I think we have to continue

1232
01:47:33,679 --> 01:47:40,960
investing in our infrastructure as we're
doing now and balancing water

1233
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:45,199
affordability with upfront investment in
the infrastructure so that we don't have

1234
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:51,040
catastrophic failures and not revenue
generated water. I think those are

1235
01:47:46,639 --> 01:47:56,199
things that just add to uh increase our
inability or ability to provide a lot of

1236
01:47:53,199 --> 01:47:56,199
services.

1237
01:47:57,679 --> 01:48:00,920
Thank you.

1238
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:08,800
» Yes. Uh, thank you so much for the
presentation. I

1239
01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:11,840
really appreciated this one over last
years because both had a lot of

1240
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:18,639
information, but I think this one had a
bit more um context building information

1241
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:26,159
for us to be able to understand
um some of the wise or why uh these

1242
01:48:23,119 --> 01:48:30,159
numbers come to us. I do have a couple
more questions about it.

1243
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:34,639
It's been mentioned that there's new
methodology and you had a slide about

1244
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:40,239
it, but I still don't know like what is
the methodology or how would you explain

1245
01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:44,400
it as an elevator pitch? It seems like
there's been a change from Pittsville

1246
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:50,000
Township to
you RTA is the acronym RTS.

1247
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:53,280
» RTS, but I'm Yeah. Yeah. What what is
readiness to serve compared to what

1248
01:48:51,679 --> 01:48:59,920
Pitzfield Township had in the past or
like how are we using methodology?

1249
01:48:56,560 --> 01:49:03,520
» Great question. Um the I would say the
methodology that we had with Pittsfield

1250
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:07,760
Township was no method. They were only
charged a commodity rate and it was

1251
01:49:06,159 --> 01:49:11,679
equivalent or commensurate with the
township water rate. That was the

1252
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:15,920
contract that was in place in 1974
extended in the early 2000s and this was

1253
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:20,719
our opportunity to get in and look at
that methodology and preset. Um, I feel

1254
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:25,440
like historically we've always had a
very robust methodology on the sewer

1255
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:29,360
side, but it never translated on the
water side. Uh, so we brought in a

1256
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:33,840
consultant that helped us do the 2018
study. Uh, it's it's a generic cost of

1257
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:38,719
service study. They they look at two
ways for what we call nonowner

1258
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:42,080
infrastructure. It is called a utility
basis of ratem. I think I'm saying that

1259
01:49:40,719 --> 01:49:45,600
correctly, but I'm not a financial
expert by any stretch in the

1260
01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:51,280
imagination. uh we did bring that
consultant in to give a thorough

1261
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:57,040
presentation to the YCA board. Uh so I'm
not an expert in any one of these areas.

1262
01:49:54,239 --> 01:50:02,000
It is it starts with ensuring that
you're properly identifying the needed

1263
01:49:59,199 --> 01:50:05,920
revenue to operate the system. uh it is
following what we call American

1264
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:11,679
Waterworks Association's methods of rate
making where we look at uh depreciation

1265
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:18,159
rate of return from that customer uh
operating expenses capital outlay making

1266
01:50:14,719 --> 01:50:22,480
sure that there is a methodology for uh
allocating those costs to the

1267
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:27,119
appropriate communities. Uh so going
into it pretty much every project which

1268
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:32,080
is a very tedious task for for quite a
few years and ensuring that there is a

1269
01:50:29,199 --> 01:50:36,960
methodology for when we do US12 water
main work that that cost is allocated

1270
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:40,880
correctly or that the cost of dared
projects is allocated correctly. It is

1271
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:44,480
historically very easy to do it at the
wastewater treatment plant because we

1272
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:48,639
just look at wage for flow allocation.
When we do those projects in a water

1273
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:51,280
system it's it's not as clear. So, we
have to go through and look at each of

1274
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:56,040
those projects and make sure that
they're those costs are allocated

1275
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:56,040
properly.

1276
01:50:56,239 --> 01:51:01,360
Does that kind of answer what you're
looking for or am I you want me to be

1277
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:04,320
more much more specific?
>> Maybe one of these days I'll have to get

1278
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:11,040
the full presentation to really
understand the details of it. Um

1279
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:16,480
but with regard to like for example I
see that we're getting closer to par

1280
01:51:13,119 --> 01:51:21,920
between the city and the township rates
um which were quite different in years

1281
01:51:18,480 --> 01:51:26,639
past and the explanation I've heard over
the last year has been because some of

1282
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:31,199
this these bond debts are coming off of
our roles and I see that uh the

1283
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:37,119
presentation there's more coming off in
the next couple years as well though I'm

1284
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:40,159
wondering about are we approach are we
going to get to that place where

1285
01:51:38,239 --> 01:51:44,320
basically city and township customers
are paying almost the same rates because

1286
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:48,880
we're still paying more than the
township based on new rates. Um even

1287
01:51:47,440 --> 01:51:54,000
though they have they're they're going
to get hit with a 9% increase and 2%

1288
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:57,360
increase on sewer rates. So they're
going much higher. We're going down a

1289
01:51:55,840 --> 01:52:02,400
little lower but we're still paying more
in township. And really I'm curious

1290
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:06,400
about how our rates compare to all of
the uh different places that we're

1291
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:10,159
servicing because we Yaka services
Augusta Township and all these different

1292
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:16,960
places. So really comparing with
everyone um is my interest uh in looking

1293
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:21,679
at these proposals. But yeah, I'm just
curious as to like how do you come to a

1294
01:52:20,239 --> 01:52:28,000
place where you're like, "Okay, we can
do a 7% reduction on water,

1295
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:32,639
2% increase on sewer, and for the
township, we're doing this." What what

1296
01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:36,719
is how do those numbers come through?
>> It it's driven by your share of cost in

1297
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:42,159
the system
>> and your debt service.

1298
01:52:38,719 --> 01:52:46,800
» Those are the driving factors. both. Um
I I I think par is important, but

1299
01:52:45,199 --> 01:52:50,480
they're two different systems on the
water side. Uh the economies of scale

1300
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:54,080
and township side are substantially
different as they're uh so

1301
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:58,560
interconnected with uh communities that
were part of YUA or part of the township

1302
01:52:56,639 --> 01:53:04,639
water system before Y2A was
municipality. Um so that they have

1303
01:53:01,440 --> 01:53:08,320
clearly 70% of the consumption on the
within just the city and township side.

1304
01:53:06,639 --> 01:53:14,639
So the city has always been a much
smaller piece of customer class and when

1305
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:19,840
large capital improvements are done that
are only city improvements I would say

1306
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:23,440
the rates can be more valable. That's
why when we go into the rate making

1307
01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:29,040
process we're trying to do things that
smooth that out. Uh but it it is it is

1308
01:53:27,679 --> 01:53:33,520
more it has always been more difficult
in the city because they don't generate

1309
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:39,440
as much revenue uh as the township does.
So creating par is very difficult.

1310
01:53:37,119 --> 01:53:43,440
when it was being discussed, it combined
the utility between the township and the

1311
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:47,119
city. I mean, was that some of the
considerations that because we're

1312
01:53:45,119 --> 01:53:52,639
sharing across
two entities that were really like

1313
01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:55,760
dividing some of those
>> uh wasn't FY2A when that when that

1314
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:59,440
happened or some of the discussions
occurred. Um I actually believe I would

1315
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:04,080
need to double check our articles on
incorporation but I believe it is

1316
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:08,400
memorialized in those articles that the
development of rates in the city

1317
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:11,599
township will be separate. Mhm.
>> So there's a lot of par at the

1318
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:17,360
wastewater treatment plant level costs
because those are just shared flowbased

1319
01:54:14,719 --> 01:54:22,639
uh allocated on a flow-based proportion.
Whereas the water system, if the city

1320
01:54:19,599 --> 01:54:26,080
spends a million dollars and generates a
third of the revenue, but the township

1321
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:31,280
spends a million dollars, that impact is
so much different on on the rate itself.

1322
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:34,320
Um
I can't tell you what next year's going

1323
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:37,840
to hold. I can't tell you what, you
know, future years are going to hold. I

1324
01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:43,040
believe the system that we put in place
in the city to get in front of our work

1325
01:54:40,719 --> 01:54:48,800
to be very aggressive with revolving
fund loans to see 2.6 million of loan

1326
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:52,159
forgiveness, $300,000 loan forgiveness.
I think the city made great decisions 20

1327
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:56,800
years to go to get in front of capital
improvements as replace

1328
01:54:54,480 --> 01:55:02,800
portion of their water infrastructure.
I'm hoping the future is much brighter

1329
01:54:59,199 --> 01:55:06,400
for minimal rate increases andor these
type of years where maybe there's a

1330
01:55:04,159 --> 01:55:11,040
decrease. I I never know what GWA is
going to do year-to-year. This year was

1331
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:17,360
7%. Uh they went to their board for a 7%
increase and they ended up at a 5.63%

1332
01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:22,159
increase. So that is on the water side
the single largest light item we have is

1333
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:26,320
around $13 million. So that whenever
that changes even by a percent, it's

1334
01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:30,560
very substantial in the rate making
process. So not knowing that year to

1335
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:35,199
year makes very difficult to project
what we may come back to with rate

1336
01:55:32,639 --> 01:55:40,560
increases. There's a commitment with our
team to make sure our services are

1337
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:44,159
affordable. Uh every year and we present
this to the finance committee. Uh we

1338
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:49,119
benchmark adjacent communities. So I
have those tables of 30 or 40 adjacent

1339
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:53,440
communities with water service costs, uh
readiness to serve costs, sewer costs.

1340
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:57,280
So those are readily available and just
takes an email and I can fire those off

1341
01:55:55,199 --> 01:56:01,199
to you. We do that every single year as
we go through this process. I would say

1342
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:05,360
the city right now is still on the
higher end of of these adjacent

1343
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:09,760
communities, but it's getting better. Uh
they're definitely not the highest, but

1344
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:13,760
they're definitely not the cheapest.
>> I recall that from last year when I saw

1345
01:56:11,599 --> 01:56:19,440
the numbers, I think we were number two
or maybe number one um before.

1346
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:23,119
» It depends on how far out we look and
and the comparables that we develop. Uh

1347
01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:26,880
I think this year we did a handful of
more communities, try to make sure that

1348
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:31,599
we have appropriate comparables uh
demographics. Uh, but I can share that.

1349
01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:35,040
I think the city's more competitive this
year, but they're still on high.

1350
01:56:33,599 --> 01:56:40,159
» Yeah, I would like to see that. Thank
you. And this is probably not a thing,

1351
01:56:37,599 --> 01:56:44,639
but like is it possible to do multi-year
contract with uh Great Lakes?

1352
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:50,080
» Not at all.
>> We're part of

1353
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:55,040
78 communities. Uh, and it's we're part
of a what's called a contract alignment

1354
01:56:51,840 --> 01:57:03,280
process. It's a every four years we
negotiate different parameters in the

1355
01:56:57,119 --> 01:57:08,719
contract such as uh usage uh pressure uh
those type of issues but doing any

1356
01:57:06,159 --> 01:57:12,159
two-year rate adjustment process unless
the entire member community agreed to

1357
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:17,119
that or the children that we agreed to
that uh I don't foresee that change. I

1358
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:21,679
think that would be a good idea if we're
facing increases every year,

1359
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:29,840
year-over-year to think about that. Um,
since they have a monopoly on, you know,

1360
01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:34,320
water service. Um, one last thing
I want to mention. Oh, I so I guess I

1361
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:39,360
would just say I'm still hopeful that
Yaka can provide us in the following

1362
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:44,000
year as more debt service falls off even
more par at least since we can see

1363
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:49,920
what's going on between the city and the
township. It's m makes it really hard to

1364
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:55,040
come to our residence and say uh well
you just have to pay more and here's all

1365
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:59,920
the reasons why when it's you know like
people are really struggling to pay all

1366
01:57:57,679 --> 01:58:03,199
sorts of bills but the water you know
coming down a little bit is great but I

1367
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:09,679
think it could come down a little bit
more. Um so I just want to say that. So

1368
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:12,719
I I do want to bring up it's a slightly
different issue, but I just want to get

1369
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:18,400
it on your radar that there's been a lot
of complaints in the city about work

1370
01:58:14,159 --> 01:58:22,639
that Yaka has done to um it's not always
Yaka, but I've heard it so many times

1371
01:58:20,159 --> 01:58:27,599
that it is Yaka to kind of dig out
service lines underneath sidewalks and

1372
01:58:24,639 --> 01:58:33,520
then replace it with cold patch. Um and
then also replace the law surrounding

1373
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:38,560
lawn with sand. And so, uh, I just want
to start that conversation because if

1374
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:42,159
these need to get fixed, it's like a big
complaint across the city.

1375
01:58:40,719 --> 01:58:45,440
» Absolutely. This is the first I've heard
of it, uh, for the specific residents. I

1376
01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:49,119
heard a little bit about a bit from, uh,
Andrew before I came in. And Bonnie, uh,

1377
01:58:47,679 --> 01:58:53,599
I will follow up. We take those
complaints very seriously. Uh, we have a

1378
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:57,360
pretty, uh, efficient process, I
believe, for restoration of properties

1379
01:58:55,280 --> 01:59:00,639
and so forth. Uh, just due to some
settling, timing of contractor

1380
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:05,599
involvement and so forth. Sometimes
there can be some delays. Uh more often

1381
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:09,280
than not, uh at least once it reach
reaches my attention, it's usually not

1382
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:13,280
YCA services that that have been
affected that another contractor's came

1383
01:59:11,599 --> 01:59:19,360
in and done some work that they thought
YCA performed a contractor for DTE or or

1384
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:23,280
some other type of contractor. At least
once I hear about it, normally it's

1385
01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:26,800
we've already solved our issue, restored
our areas, but that's subsequent

1386
01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:31,040
contractor work that Washington has no
involvement in. Uh I'm not here to push

1387
01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:35,760
blame or say anything, but there's a lot
of utilities out there and Y's just just

1388
01:59:33,599 --> 01:59:39,199
uh has just the two. Uh so sometimes
it's not us, but I have those addresses

1389
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:42,639
and I can guarantee we will follow up on
them first thing.

1390
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:45,920
» Great. Thank you.
>> Uh anything from council?

1391
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:50,320
» Thank you.
>> Um we do have a public hearing for this.

1392
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:53,119
So I am going to open the public hearing
if there's anybody in the audience who

1393
01:59:51,679 --> 01:59:56,800
would like to address council on this
topic.

1394
01:59:54,639 --> 02:00:00,400
Your hand
Anybody

1395
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:04,719
online?
No one has any

1396
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:08,880
seeing none.
Resolution number 2026-182 resolved by

1397
02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:13,520
the council of the city of Swani that
the public hearing for ordinance number

1398
02:00:10,719 --> 02:00:19,360
1470 entitled an ordinance to amend
chapter 106 article 5 section 106-454b

1399
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:26,119
of the code of ordinances to adjust
water service rates within the city of

1400
02:00:21,599 --> 02:00:26,119
be officially closed and I so

1401
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:32,480
all in favor hold the public hearing
please say I

1402
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:36,480
Any vote?
All right. Further discussion from

1403
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:43,080
council.
If we ask question

1404
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:43,080
all right.

1405
02:00:44,320 --> 02:00:47,599
» Council member McCle.
>> Yes.

1406
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:49,599
» Council member.
>> Yes.

1407
02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:51,679
» Mayor Brown.
>> Yes.

1408
02:00:50,480 --> 02:00:53,199
» Council member Phelps.
>> Yes.

1409
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:57,520
» Council member Tus.
>> Yes.

1410
02:00:54,960 --> 02:01:01,199
» Thank you. Council member Tus. You have
183.

1411
02:00:58,639 --> 02:01:04,800
» I do. All right. Resolution number
2026-183

1412
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:08,560
resolved by the council of the city of
Salani. Whereas YCUA board of

1413
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:14,239
commissioners approved a recommendation
the city council for an increase in

1414
02:01:10,719 --> 02:01:18,080
sewer and readiness to serve rate. And
whereas the proposed increase of 2% to

1415
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:21,760
city division customers would become
effective September 1, 2026. And now

1416
02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:26,000
therefore be it resolved that the
Islanic City Council approves an

1417
02:01:23,199 --> 02:01:31,280
ordinance to amend chapter 106 article 5
section 106455A

1418
02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:37,280
of the code of ordinances to adjust
sewage disposal service rates within the

1419
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:43,199
city of Ordinance number 1471 upon first
reading and I so move forth

1420
02:01:40,159 --> 02:01:48,800
in support of our council over.
>> Thank you. So this is the the sewer side

1421
02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:53,040
of the rate process. This is the side we
of course have quite a bit more control

1422
02:01:50,320 --> 02:01:57,199
of because we operate the regional uh
treatment facility. Um as I mentioned

1423
02:01:56,159 --> 02:01:59,599
during the presentation there's
substantial amount of capital

1424
02:01:58,239 --> 02:02:04,000
improvements going on at the treatment
plant. Uh there has been enough costs

1425
02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:08,560
over the last few years whether it be
electrical improvements uh built

1426
02:02:06,719 --> 02:02:13,840
improvements on our primary tanks
control and so forth. Uh it has been

1427
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:18,560
quite a balancing process with special
improvements to ebase and piping and so

1428
02:02:16,239 --> 02:02:23,840
forth. Uh so we've tried to mitigate
those increases as much as possible. Uh

1429
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:26,880
but do recommend a 2% increase and would
definitely welcome any further

1430
02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:32,840
questions.
>> I'll open the public hearing first this

1431
02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:32,840
time. Anybody in the audience?

1432
02:02:36,639 --> 02:02:44,400
Anybody?
No one should close the public. resolved

1433
02:02:43,040 --> 02:02:48,719
by the council of the city of planning
at the public hearing for ordinance 1471

1434
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:54,159
entitled an ordinance to amend chapter
106 article 5 section 106455A

1435
02:02:52,239 --> 02:02:57,760
of the code of ordinances to adjust
sewage disposal service rights within

1436
02:02:55,760 --> 02:03:01,800
the city of be officially closed and I
move

1437
02:02:58,719 --> 02:03:01,800
» of course

1438
02:03:01,840 --> 02:03:11,719
all in favor
all right questions for on the sewer

1439
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:11,719
rates See,

1440
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:18,320
please.
>> Council member McClean.

1441
02:03:17,679 --> 02:03:20,159
» Yes.
>> Council member King.

1442
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:21,360
» Yes.
>> Mayor Brown.

1443
02:03:21,040 --> 02:03:22,880
» Yes.
>> Council member Phelps.

1444
02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:24,639
» Yes.
>> Council member Tusket.

1445
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:27,280
» Yes.
>> Who carries?

1446
02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:30,639
» Thank you so much. Thanks. Appreciate
>> appreciate the support. I will first

1447
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:35,119
thing in the morning share with council
the benchmarking uh information that was

1448
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:40,320
shared with the finance committee. Uh
and I'll also share uh presentation that

1449
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:43,040
was given on the uh method out.
>> Perfect. Thank you so much.

1450
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:49,320
» Thank you.
>> Council, you'll recon agenda without H.

1451
02:03:55,040 --> 02:04:01,440
Two things look for Cairo. Is it just
number eight

1452
02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:07,199
or number seven?
Yes, if I if I may, there are two

1453
02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:12,719
resolutions for fireworks. I only noted
one the agenda. That was my mistake and

1454
02:04:10,239 --> 02:04:16,480
bring it up when we talked about
>> we can talk about that.

1455
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:21,360
» Resolved by council of the city of the
landing that the following items be

1456
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:26,400
approved. Uh resolution number 2026-186
approving the minutes of the regular

1457
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:30,080
meeting of July 23rd, 2026. Postpone
resolution number 2026-144

1458
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:35,040
approving the new collective writing
agreement between the city of Salen Dpom

1459
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:38,400
with the term terminating on June 30th
2030 as presented and authorized by the

1460
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:42,159
mayor, city manager, and city clerk to
execute the agreement on behalf of the

1461
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:48,159
city after approval by city attorney as
to form resolution number 2026-187

1462
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:53,520
approving the tying of teal ribbons in
the business districts during the month

1463
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:58,400
of September for tied town teal to bring
awareness to ovarian cancer.

1464
02:04:55,599 --> 02:05:02,480
Resolution number 2026-18 appointing
residents Matt Jones, Barry Laroo, Erica

1465
02:05:00,639 --> 02:05:06,000
Lindseay, Hannah McCriedi, Paul
Shrivever, and an Steven Vincent to the

1466
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:10,800
HCC study committee for the amendment to
DPS's local historic district until

1467
02:05:08,639 --> 02:05:14,880
completion of the study. Resolution
number 2026-189

1468
02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:20,080
appointing resident Kadus to the
planning commission with a term ending

1469
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:24,320
of July 1st, 2029. Resolution number
2026-19B

1470
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:28,639
appro approving the uh request of
Maniacal Meat Company located at 15 East

1471
02:05:26,800 --> 02:05:33,280
Cross Street for a social district
license contingent on the approval of

1472
02:05:30,719 --> 02:05:38,639
maniacal meats company's request for a
local liquor license and ISO

1473
02:05:36,159 --> 02:05:43,840
» support. It's been moved by member
fellow by council member Sus please

1474
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:46,960
follow the role on consent agenda.
Council member King,

1475
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:49,440
» yes.
>> Mayor Brown,

1476
02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:50,880
» yes. Council member Phelps,
>> yes.

1477
02:05:49,840 --> 02:05:52,239
» Council member,
>> yes.

1478
02:05:51,199 --> 02:05:53,679
» Council member,
>> yes.

1479
02:05:52,719 --> 02:06:00,520
» Motion carries.
>> Thank you. Uh, council king, you have a

1480
02:05:56,719 --> 02:06:00,520
resolution 19

1481
02:06:04,480 --> 02:06:14,080
where me has applied to the city of
Lenny and Michigan liquor control

1482
02:06:10,159 --> 02:06:19,199
mention requesting the small wine
offering this retailer permit with

1483
02:06:16,159 --> 02:06:26,480
outdoor seating dance and social history
for maniac me company per MCL 436.11

1484
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:31,760
1112
for use at 15 East Cross Street at

1485
02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:37,360
Michigan 4197
County and whereas a public hearing to

1486
02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:43,440
consider the proposed offensive retailer
for manifold me was duly noted and held

1487
02:06:40,880 --> 02:06:50,719
on August the 18th. Now therefore it be
resolved that the request of made for

1488
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:56,960
the property located at 15 East Michigan
97D approved contingent on approval of

1489
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:59,960
all applicable
move.

1490
02:07:09,599 --> 02:07:15,400
Hi. Yes.
Come forward, sir.

1491
02:07:18,880 --> 02:07:25,119
» Good evening.
>> Good evening. Hello. Uh, mayor and

1492
02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:30,719
counselors. Uh, I'm Patrick Ekan. I'm
part owner of 734 Brewing and also part

1493
02:07:27,679 --> 02:07:35,119
owner of Maniac Me. Basically, what
we're just trying to do here is, uh, so

1494
02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:39,679
Maniac Me has a tasting room in the
township on Ecourse Road. Um, we're just

1495
02:07:37,760 --> 02:07:43,920
trying to put them both together since
they're both my babies, I guess. Put

1496
02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:50,079
them both under the same roof. Um, at
our current or at 734's current

1497
02:07:46,159 --> 02:07:54,880
location, 15 cross. Um, so that'll allow
me to put some investment money from

1498
02:07:53,199 --> 02:08:00,400
Mania [clears throat] into the building
at 15 cross and uh, you know, hopefully

1499
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:04,400
make things a little more vibrant down
there.

1500
02:08:02,719 --> 02:08:08,000
What I'm going to do is open a public
hearing and then bring back refer

1501
02:08:06,400 --> 02:08:13,599
council if they have questions.
>> All right. If there's anyone who would

1502
02:08:09,920 --> 02:08:17,000
like press council on this application
uh please

1503
02:08:19,599 --> 02:08:26,560
» no I just did it right now.
>> Sorry if there's anybody who wants

1504
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:29,599
» nobody nobody. Okay. Uh council member
you can close the public.

1505
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:34,239
I know
>> resolved by the council of the city of

1506
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:38,560
Vitali that a public hearing or a small
wine maker off premises retail permit

1507
02:08:36,639 --> 02:08:41,560
with outdoor seating dance and social
disting.

1508
02:08:50,880 --> 02:09:01,719
» I [clears throat] oppose.
All right.

1509
02:08:55,520 --> 02:09:01,719
» All right. questions for council. Okay.

1510
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:11,119
» Um
I think I heard it right, but you said

1511
02:09:06,960 --> 02:09:17,920
you're part owner of both. Um
does this mean that 734 is going is no

1512
02:09:15,360 --> 02:09:23,280
longer or like are you going to be
leasing from 734 or how does that work?

1513
02:09:20,719 --> 02:09:30,320
» We're doing it as like a a shared space.
So, we're going to have a new name, but

1514
02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:36,480
it'll be the new name by 734 Mi.
>> So, we'll still be doing same 734 stuff,

1515
02:09:33,840 --> 02:09:41,920
a lot of the same events, but we'll have
several more apps and more things to

1516
02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:46,000
try.
>> Do you do you have the new name yet?

1517
02:09:44,560 --> 02:09:53,440
» Not 100% sure.
>> Okay. Uh, are you retaining staff from

1518
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:57,920
734? Yeah, I mean assuming they want to
stay, but I assume they will.

1519
02:09:55,280 --> 02:10:02,880
» Mhm. Okay. And then it sounds like
there'll be expansion of like uh items

1520
02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:06,320
on the menu. Is there any other Sounds
like you're talking about maybe some

1521
02:10:04,480 --> 02:10:12,639
building improvements or
>> Yeah, I mean um

1522
02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:17,520
Maniac has been Well, we actually
rented a another spot in the township,

1523
02:10:15,679 --> 02:10:21,280
but that didn't quite work out for what
we were hoping to do. So, we're still

1524
02:10:19,119 --> 02:10:25,679
using that as a production facility. Um,
but because we have some money we were

1525
02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:30,880
planning to spend on, you know, fixing
up a building, we're going to put it

1526
02:10:26,960 --> 02:10:36,079
into that one. This one. Oh, I should
say it is 48198. I think the zip code. I

1527
02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:42,280
just want I just want to make sure the
paperwork goes right to MLCC. They're

1528
02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:42,280
» picky.

1529
02:10:46,159 --> 02:10:50,760
Further comments or questions from counc

1530
02:10:59,280 --> 02:11:01,920
» yes.
>> Council member Phelps.

1531
02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:03,520
» Yes.
>> Council member Tusson.

1532
02:11:03,119 --> 02:11:05,040
» Yes.
>> Council member Mccleley.

1533
02:11:04,639 --> 02:11:06,560
» Yes.
>> Council member King.

1534
02:11:06,079 --> 02:11:11,280
» Yes.
>> Motion carries. Unanimous.

1535
02:11:08,320 --> 02:11:15,599
» Thanks so much. Uh, council member King,
you have 179

1536
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:21,119
original by the council of the city of
Isoli. That attached fee schedule is

1537
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:25,040
adopted pursuant to the Isoli city code
and the following fees related to

1538
02:11:23,119 --> 02:11:29,119
various sections of the city code and
activities of the city are hereby

1539
02:11:26,960 --> 02:11:36,400
established and the various city
departments are authorized to charge and

1540
02:11:31,199 --> 02:11:40,320
collect such fees effective immediately.
by council in supported by council

1541
02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:46,800
member
council. This was uh presented at the

1542
02:11:42,880 --> 02:11:51,920
July meeting. It was asked to be tabled.
So council could reach out to their

1543
02:11:49,679 --> 02:11:58,639
constituents and ask questions about the
fees. Uh so myself and other staff

1544
02:11:55,360 --> 02:12:04,719
members are here to answer questions
that you might have. And if you saw on

1545
02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:11,760
the agenda, there is a second section in
which following the um the uh special

1546
02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:20,880
events policy. It does include the
freight house, rental fees, and um and

1547
02:12:16,719 --> 02:12:25,360
um special events. So, we're happy to do
special events now or if you'd like to

1548
02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:33,040
wait to that point. But if if the
remainder of the fees aside from special

1549
02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:37,599
events and um the freight house are
agreeable to council, I would request

1550
02:12:35,199 --> 02:12:43,440
approval.
>> All right, council.

1551
02:12:40,800 --> 02:12:48,400
» So for clarification,
what we're looking at right now, what's

1552
02:12:45,040 --> 02:12:52,880
before the body is everything, but it
does not include the freight house. So

1553
02:12:50,480 --> 02:12:58,960
it does include the freight house and
special events. However, if when you

1554
02:12:56,079 --> 02:13:04,400
move on to those other uh other items,
it'll essentially amend this once those

1555
02:13:01,599 --> 02:13:10,079
are approved if approved.
>> And further clarification, we we made

1556
02:13:07,360 --> 02:13:13,760
changes to the freight house last time.
Those also would be incorporated what

1557
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:19,880
what is before the body right now.
>> That's correct. It's actually included

1558
02:13:15,199 --> 02:13:19,880
in the uh special events policy.

1559
02:13:24,079 --> 02:13:33,199
Well, questions or comments on the
schedule?

1560
02:13:29,920 --> 02:13:36,719
» I just have a quick one. When I was
looking at the schedule, I was just

1561
02:13:34,480 --> 02:13:42,560
thinking about the Junth parade that was
proposed and I was looking at the fees

1562
02:13:40,159 --> 02:13:46,639
and why I didn't have that contract in
front of me. I know we never seen it,

1563
02:13:44,480 --> 02:13:51,360
but the fees were pretty outrageous.
When I was looking at the fee schedule,

1564
02:13:48,320 --> 02:13:56,159
it did not seem like sacross would
amount to what we heard potentially or

1565
02:13:54,639 --> 02:13:58,800
what.
>> So, correct

1566
02:13:57,520 --> 02:14:03,599
» or parade. Yeah.
>> What we were looking at is mostly staff

1567
02:14:00,719 --> 02:14:09,679
time um and
um looking at when we updated the PE

1568
02:14:07,440 --> 02:14:16,400
schedule last time, that was all
removed. Um, but a parade is it requires

1569
02:14:13,679 --> 02:14:23,679
substantial amount of police presence as
well as uh DPW staff. So that's why that

1570
02:14:20,159 --> 02:14:31,280
cost was where it was. I did indicate to
the to the organizer that we were only

1571
02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:36,639
concerned about the labor costs. Um, but
again that was nothing was ever applied

1572
02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:42,639
for. Um,
so we usually typically do if if an

1573
02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:47,599
event is has all fees waved, if they
expand it, then that that's going to

1574
02:14:44,159 --> 02:14:52,800
need to have council approval to to
remove those fees,

1575
02:14:49,679 --> 02:14:57,840
which I encourage them to apply so that
council could could do that, but they

1576
02:14:55,280 --> 02:15:03,679
the organiz organizer didn't wish to
move forward. So, I guess one of my

1577
02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:09,199
questions is for a parade, even though
it say like the $90, I have to look at

1578
02:15:06,560 --> 02:15:14,079
the exact page. We wouldn't include the
police presence and the DPS staff in

1579
02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:21,119
that fee so people would know up front.
>> So, we're we would just we would just uh

1580
02:15:17,360 --> 02:15:28,000
basically charge costs. Um, we typically
do not have any type of police

1581
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:32,639
involvement other than a parade because
certain intersections have to be closed

1582
02:15:29,920 --> 02:15:39,360
off. We are working to instead of using
police do a volunteer basis and then

1583
02:15:36,560 --> 02:15:44,079
those um those event organizers would
need to provide that training um to take

1584
02:15:41,920 --> 02:15:47,920
a little bit of burden off of our staff
but we did not have that in place at

1585
02:15:45,840 --> 02:15:55,639
that time.
>> Okay, great. Thank you.

1586
02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:55,639
» I think further on the schedule.

1587
02:15:59,679 --> 02:16:02,679
Um

1588
02:16:03,520 --> 02:16:16,079
the schedule issue is, you know, such a
such a big pass to take on to try to

1589
02:16:10,719 --> 02:16:24,159
figure out how to bring fees into
a place that's equitable and accessible

1590
02:16:19,840 --> 02:16:27,360
um to our residents. I think this is
starting, especially with the new

1591
02:16:25,679 --> 02:16:32,559
special events fees, that includes the
community events. I think we're

1592
02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:36,719
approaching more uh equity and parody
that I'd like to see. The only thing I

1593
02:16:34,880 --> 02:16:42,399
want to I've I've brought it up a couple
times, but you know, looking in how

1594
02:16:39,120 --> 02:16:49,280
other municipalities, even nearby ones
like Fitzfield Township, um Ipsy

1595
02:16:44,800 --> 02:16:55,120
Township, uh handle booking their
facilities, parks, pavilions. It's very

1596
02:16:52,479 --> 02:17:03,120
easy. It's done by a third party, you
know, um, website. And, uh, you can book

1597
02:16:59,920 --> 02:17:10,000
Montabella Park for under $200 for four
hours. Um, which is a brand new

1598
02:17:05,599 --> 02:17:15,760
pavilion. Uh, and you can also book the
the uh, like baseball fields and the

1599
02:17:13,120 --> 02:17:20,880
kickball fields and for, you know, hour
at a time. And [clears throat] so it's

1600
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:26,639
more of a universalized approach to
doing fee schedule at least for parks um

1601
02:17:24,479 --> 02:17:34,000
which maybe wouldn't capture things that
are like for profit like beer fest. You

1602
02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:40,160
know we want to be able to um
change those uh fees depending on if a

1603
02:17:37,519 --> 02:17:44,960
event is for profit or not. I agree with
that. Um, I'm just mentioning that some

1604
02:17:42,800 --> 02:17:49,200
of the other nearby municipalities
handle it as a more universal approach

1605
02:17:46,880 --> 02:17:54,240
where everybody pays the same amount and
it's relatively easy to book and it

1606
02:17:51,359 --> 02:18:02,240
makes it so people uh book things much
more often. uh end up paying uh more

1607
02:17:58,240 --> 02:18:07,120
fees to uh the nearby townships instead
of just like maybe using our facilities

1608
02:18:05,120 --> 02:18:12,639
for free unless it's like a big enough
event to where um you know it's too

1609
02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:16,800
burdensome to do that without
approaching the city. So I just want to

1610
02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:21,840
name that as a potential target in the
future. Um, I think given we've been

1611
02:18:20,479 --> 02:18:27,679
talking about the fee schedule for a
little while, adjusted it for now, I'm

1612
02:18:23,519 --> 02:18:31,519
mostly going to support um what we have
in front of us today. I just imagine

1613
02:18:29,599 --> 02:18:36,719
there's going to be situations that come
up that we bump into. One of the things

1614
02:18:34,240 --> 02:18:42,880
I I did see already is that we charge
for if someone is bringing a sign into a

1615
02:18:39,599 --> 02:18:51,200
park. I'm kind of curious as to
why that is like bringing signage. Um,

1616
02:18:47,359 --> 02:18:56,800
it's barely the $50 fee, but I'm a
little concerned for those kind of like

1617
02:18:52,960 --> 02:19:02,559
nickel diamonding type of fees. I also
asked Bonnie earlier, I don't know if

1618
02:18:58,319 --> 02:19:08,719
there's an answer now about um
what's the what's it called? Capital

1619
02:19:04,880 --> 02:19:14,639
improvement fees for Riverside and Bron
Island. Um where is this coming from?

1620
02:19:11,920 --> 02:19:19,519
Why are we charging it? I would like to
know that.

1621
02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:22,880
» Now, is it this a part of the specific
fee schedule or is that going to be

1622
02:19:21,679 --> 02:19:28,240
later on with those?
>> I think it's in both.

1623
02:19:24,559 --> 02:19:30,960
» Well, it's not. No, it's not. It is in
the current book.

1624
02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:36,040
» I would like to have an answer for that,
but yes,

1625
02:19:31,679 --> 02:19:36,040
» we did email about that.

1626
02:19:37,679 --> 02:19:42,439
» I think everybody should know. Yes.

1627
02:19:49,040 --> 02:19:58,640
Good evening. So, the parks capital fee
was proposed and adopted back in 2011.

1628
02:19:54,720 --> 02:20:03,359
The intent was to um capture some of the
revenue from the larger events and apply

1629
02:20:01,439 --> 02:20:07,439
it to capital improvements throughout
the entire park system. Although the

1630
02:20:05,760 --> 02:20:11,920
intention was quite noble, it doesn't
align with how bulk is applied to

1631
02:20:10,080 --> 02:20:15,760
cities. So, we have discontinued its
use. We may choose to revisit it in the

1632
02:20:14,080 --> 02:20:20,880
future at council's pleasure, but it's
no longer sustainable as it was, but

1633
02:20:18,800 --> 02:20:25,280
we're still applying it to a frog
island.

1634
02:20:22,319 --> 02:20:30,319
» Not as proposed as proposed. So, what is
the new

1635
02:20:27,040 --> 02:20:34,359
» zero? Zero. Yeah. For no approvement fee
for anything. Okay,

1636
02:20:34,880 --> 02:20:43,680
that's helpful. Um,
I think the other thing I wanted to

1637
02:20:41,520 --> 02:20:50,240
bring up was
that there are a number of

1638
02:20:46,640 --> 02:20:55,520
um, events that are currently booked and
haven't happened yet that have kind of

1639
02:20:53,520 --> 02:20:59,760
been booked in that in between time
between when we approved the budget

1640
02:20:57,040 --> 02:21:06,319
without any fee waiver budget and now
when we're adopting a new um, fee

1641
02:21:03,040 --> 02:21:11,760
schedule that includes community events.
And so I know of some of those events

1642
02:21:09,760 --> 02:21:15,920
are community events would be applicable
to this. So you know when we emailed

1643
02:21:14,080 --> 02:21:20,399
about it you said that if if the
contract is signed then this with new

1644
02:21:18,080 --> 02:21:26,880
change wouldn't apply to that. I think
it would be good for the city to let

1645
02:21:23,600 --> 02:21:31,040
those applicants know um if these new
changes apply to them so they can cancel

1646
02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:36,319
their existing contract and make a new
one because

1647
02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:41,840
then that would be
>> yeah I'm saying I think that's only fair

1648
02:21:38,720 --> 02:21:47,120
given we don't have any u
you know fee waiver application form

1649
02:21:44,560 --> 02:21:52,399
anymore no budget for it and there was a
gap between June and now so just those

1650
02:21:49,680 --> 02:21:59,920
events should be able to you know
utilize these new changes that I would

1651
02:21:55,680 --> 02:22:05,359
recommend that that actually be a resol
or added on to the adoption of schedule

1652
02:22:02,880 --> 02:22:09,720
the the next schedule not this
>> yeah special one

1653
02:22:10,160 --> 02:22:13,160
okay

1654
02:22:14,800 --> 02:22:18,399
are there any questions council

1655
02:22:20,880 --> 02:22:25,840
Yes, please call the role.
>> Mayor Brown,

1656
02:22:25,280 --> 02:22:27,680
» yes.
>> Council member Phelps,

1657
02:22:27,200 --> 02:22:29,200
» yes.
>> Council member Tusson,

1658
02:22:28,800 --> 02:22:30,640
» yes.
>> Council member McClean,

1659
02:22:30,319 --> 02:22:32,399
» yes.
>> Council member King,

1660
02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:38,120
» yes.
>> Motion cares.

1661
02:22:33,439 --> 02:22:38,120
» Thank you. passion 195

1662
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:47,680
by the council of city of slanting where
crew community credit union has

1663
02:22:46,240 --> 02:22:52,560
submitted an application requesting the
res property located at 424 south

1664
02:22:49,840 --> 02:22:56,960
Mansfield from PMD production
manufacturing and distribution to GC

1665
02:22:54,800 --> 02:22:59,840
general corridor and whereas request
reszoning has been processed in

1666
02:22:58,319 --> 02:23:05,760
accordance with the requirements of the
mission zoning enabling public act 2006

1667
02:23:03,520 --> 02:23:09,359
six as amended in the state of their sun
zoning ordinance and whereas planning

1668
02:23:07,520 --> 02:23:13,439
commission will have public hearing on
the proposed reasoning on June 17, 2026

1669
02:23:11,920 --> 02:23:17,600
receiving public comment and considering
the application. staff report of

1670
02:23:15,280 --> 02:23:19,920
applicable documents. And whereas
following review, the planning

1671
02:23:18,640 --> 02:23:23,200
commission recommends approval of the
proposed resoning to the city council.

1672
02:23:21,840 --> 02:23:28,479
And whereas the city council conducts
the public hearing on the proposed

1673
02:23:25,280 --> 02:23:33,200
resoning on July 21st, 2026, receiving
public comment considering the

1674
02:23:30,080 --> 02:23:36,880
application staff reportable documents
and approve it approving its first

1675
02:23:34,880 --> 02:23:40,800
reading of the reszoning request. And
now therefore be resolved that the

1676
02:23:38,800 --> 02:23:45,439
Ipsellini City Council hereby approves
at its second reading ordinance number

1677
02:23:42,479 --> 02:23:53,319
1466 amending the zoning map to reszone
the property located at 424 South

1678
02:23:47,200 --> 02:23:53,319
Mansfield from PMD to GC.

1679
02:23:56,960 --> 02:24:05,680
Anything else about this?
>> Um nothing has ultimately changed. Um,

1680
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:10,800
you know, if you guys have any memory
questions and have made it through the

1681
02:24:07,120 --> 02:24:15,319
insert, um, they're glad.
>> Thank you. Questions or comments from

1682
02:24:12,319 --> 02:24:15,319
council.

1683
02:24:22,880 --> 02:24:27,280
Please follow.
>> Council member Phillips.

1684
02:24:25,760 --> 02:24:28,640
» Yes.
>> Yes.

1685
02:24:27,600 --> 02:24:30,479
» Council member McClean,
>> yes.

1686
02:24:28,960 --> 02:24:32,720
» Council member,
>> yes. Council member Tusson.

1687
02:24:32,240 --> 02:24:35,359
» Yes.
>> Motion carries.

1688
02:24:33,680 --> 02:24:39,520
» Thank you so much. Council member Tusen,
you have 196.

1689
02:24:37,040 --> 02:24:42,399
» Yes, I do. Council voting council of the
city of Salani. Whereas the city is

1690
02:24:41,120 --> 02:24:45,760
committed to updating the zoning
ordinances to address evolving business

1691
02:24:44,319 --> 02:24:50,080
practices. And whereas the proposed
amend amendments introduce definitions

1692
02:24:47,840 --> 02:24:54,000
for drive-in service, curbside service,
and walk up windows to clearly

1693
02:24:51,439 --> 02:24:58,240
distinguishing business activities. And
whereas the proposed amendments aim to

1694
02:24:55,920 --> 02:25:01,600
improve accessibility for all city
residential visitors. And whereas the

1695
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:05,760
Ipsellani planning commission reviewed
the proposed amend amendments and

1696
02:25:03,680 --> 02:25:10,399
recommended approval following a duly
noticed public hearing. And whereas the

1697
02:25:08,560 --> 02:25:13,520
Ipsellani city council reviewed the
proposed amendments and approved its

1698
02:25:11,920 --> 02:25:18,240
first reading of the amendment following
a duly noticed public hearing. And now

1699
02:25:15,840 --> 02:25:21,840
therefore be it resolved that the
Ipsellani city council hereby approve

1700
02:25:20,080 --> 02:25:27,520
his second and final reading of
ordinance number 1467 entitled walk up

1701
02:25:24,479 --> 02:25:32,200
window zoning text amendment. And I mean
by council supported by council number

1702
02:25:37,359 --> 02:25:46,120
same same as the previous one.
>> All right questions or comments from

1703
02:25:42,479 --> 02:25:46,120
council for

1704
02:25:47,439 --> 02:25:53,640
the same council member.
>> Yes.

1705
02:25:50,399 --> 02:25:53,640
» Council member

1706
02:25:53,840 --> 02:25:57,040
» I'm sorry. Yes.
>> Council member King.

1707
02:25:56,640 --> 02:25:58,319
» Yes.
>> Mayor Brown.

1708
02:25:57,920 --> 02:25:59,920
» Yes.
>> Council member Phillips.

1709
02:25:59,439 --> 02:26:05,600
» Yes.
>> Motion carries.

1710
02:26:01,680 --> 02:26:08,960
» All right. Council member 197.
>> Resolve by the council city of SL where

1711
02:26:07,520 --> 02:26:13,040
mission planning may impact public code
act 33 of 2008 requires that at least

1712
02:26:11,520 --> 02:26:15,439
every 5 years the adoption of a master
plan. The planning commission shall

1713
02:26:14,240 --> 02:26:19,439
review the master plan and determine
whether to commence procedure to amend

1714
02:26:17,680 --> 02:26:25,120
the master plan or adopting a new master
plan. And whereas the city adopted the

1715
02:26:22,399 --> 02:26:29,120
shape IPS lending master plan in 2013
and last night the plan in 2021 and

1716
02:26:27,280 --> 02:26:32,800
comprehensive update is warranted to
reflect current conditions and provide

1717
02:26:30,720 --> 02:26:35,520
current policy basis for land use
decisions. And whereas the city of

1718
02:26:34,160 --> 02:26:39,920
planning issued a request for proposals
to a comprehensive master plan update

1719
02:26:37,280 --> 02:26:43,520
and receive proposals. And whereas the
proposals were evaluated by staff

1720
02:26:41,359 --> 02:26:47,120
selection committee on the basis of
proposed approach, team qualifications,

1721
02:26:45,200 --> 02:26:50,479
community engagement scope, regional
local experience, proposed level of

1722
02:26:48,720 --> 02:26:54,479
effort and total fee and many
unanimously ranked proposal submitted by

1723
02:26:52,479 --> 02:26:59,200
the Smith group as the highest ranked
proposal and where the adopted budget

1724
02:26:56,720 --> 02:27:02,960
includes $100,000 for the comprehensive
master plan update of which 50,000 is

1725
02:27:01,520 --> 02:27:06,080
anticipated from the Michigan Economic
Development Corporation grant and the

1726
02:27:04,560 --> 02:27:09,760
Smith proposal is within the
appropriated amount. Now therefore be it

1727
02:27:08,240 --> 02:27:13,120
resolved that the city council of the
city of planning award to the

1728
02:27:11,359 --> 02:27:17,760
professional services contract for the
comprehensive master plan update to

1729
02:27:14,560 --> 02:27:22,920
Smith Group in the amount of $96,900
to be funded from 101-97210-7818-00

1730
02:27:25,520 --> 02:27:30,560
be further resolved that the city
council authorizes the city manager

1731
02:27:28,720 --> 02:27:34,640
execute the contract on behalf of the
city following review and approval as

1732
02:27:32,960 --> 02:27:37,280
informed by the city attorney. I so
moved. support

1733
02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:44,960
» by council member McQueen supported by
council member Tus.

1734
02:27:39,680 --> 02:27:47,680
» Good evening council and mayor. Um so
resolution kind of said it all. The I

1735
02:27:46,640 --> 02:27:52,800
think we put together a pretty
comprehensive

1736
02:27:49,200 --> 02:27:57,439
RFL except for the subject to use the
same templates and so the actual subject

1737
02:27:54,560 --> 02:28:02,720
is wrong on the actual RFL. It does say
demolition of dangerous building. That

1738
02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:08,160
is not what it is. Um like the
resolution stated, we had uh eight

1739
02:28:06,399 --> 02:28:14,479
proposals. We had four really good
proposals and really two outstanding

1740
02:28:11,280 --> 02:28:17,920
proposals. Um and then so we tried to
figure out what the best way to to

1741
02:28:16,000 --> 02:28:22,800
review it. We kind of gave I think
pretty detailed notes and I don't know

1742
02:28:19,040 --> 02:28:27,120
if anyone has any questions on it. Uh so
the the top one and two were Smith Group

1743
02:28:24,720 --> 02:28:31,280
and OM and they're within $2,000 of each
other. We did get the final paperwork

1744
02:28:29,359 --> 02:28:37,280
for the grant from the MEDC and so we
did receive the $50,000 to help pay for

1745
02:28:33,200 --> 02:28:41,920
half of this which is a huge relief. Um
you know staff felt that

1746
02:28:40,399 --> 02:28:47,680
um
between Smith Group and OM

1747
02:28:44,800 --> 02:28:51,760
um based on the experience that Smith
Group has um they're normally more of a

1748
02:28:49,920 --> 02:28:55,680
national firm but they're located right
here in Ipsellani. They do have local

1749
02:28:53,760 --> 02:29:01,040
staff that live in that will be working
on the plan and just their breadth of

1750
02:28:58,160 --> 02:29:09,040
knowledge and experience. That was where
it came in. We also compared

1751
02:29:04,560 --> 02:29:14,720
um based on what was done and the lowest
uh so just the uh conductor was the

1752
02:29:12,000 --> 02:29:19,760
lowest amount of hours and also pay and
they had probably the least amount of

1753
02:29:16,080 --> 02:29:23,280
experience. Um and so we kind of tried
to figure out the best way to do it. We

1754
02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:30,000
wanted to keep it or our purchasing
policy as local as possible. Both OHM

1755
02:29:26,479 --> 02:29:34,800
and Smith have local offices in county.
Um

1756
02:29:31,520 --> 02:29:41,120
and so that's kind of uh what we what we
have. I know uh Josh and and uh Gary in

1757
02:29:38,720 --> 02:29:45,520
our office really liked the the
attention to detail that some of Smith

1758
02:29:43,520 --> 02:29:50,240
Group's master plan have gone into and I
thought to be a really good fit and I

1759
02:29:47,120 --> 02:29:55,920
completely agree. Um, I think either one
are a really good company. Um, well, we

1760
02:29:54,080 --> 02:29:59,680
kind of thought that that would be the
best the best match. So, I don't want to

1761
02:29:58,399 --> 02:30:03,920
ask any questions.
>> Thank you for that. Questions coming

1762
02:30:01,359 --> 02:30:09,359
from council.
>> Okay.

1763
02:30:06,319 --> 02:30:14,760
» Thank you, Joe. Um, does the master plan
include an implementation plan as well?

1764
02:30:16,240 --> 02:30:22,479
» Ours currently hasn't. We've done a lot
of what we wanted to do. We can't ever

1765
02:30:20,479 --> 02:30:27,520
do everything obviously because things
change over time. I think the biggest

1766
02:30:25,600 --> 02:30:31,760
regret is that we wanted to, you know,
but it's it was a 20 or 30 year plan,

1767
02:30:29,359 --> 02:30:36,560
but two AR streets is still obviously an
active discussion. But most of what we

1768
02:30:34,479 --> 02:30:41,600
wanted to actually do in our master
plan, we really accomplished a lot. And

1769
02:30:39,200 --> 02:30:47,359
now that's why instead of going for just
a smaller update like we did in 2021,

1770
02:30:44,640 --> 02:30:56,800
really doing a little bit bigger detail
look um because 2013 was a long time

1771
02:30:51,040 --> 02:31:00,960
ago. Um whereas uh you know 20267
it's a lot farther beyond that. So, I

1772
02:30:59,359 --> 02:31:04,560
think when we updated it in 21, we did a
really good job um and updated it, but

1773
02:31:03,359 --> 02:31:09,359
we really do need to do a little bit
bigger, a little bit bigger of a dick

1774
02:31:07,280 --> 02:31:11,840
and and dive in.
>> Josh is going to have to stay with us

1775
02:31:10,640 --> 02:31:15,439
for a good long time, right?
>> Josh is already working on the public

1776
02:31:13,359 --> 02:31:19,359
engagement strategy as we speak. Uh and
we actually had a meeting with our

1777
02:31:16,479 --> 02:31:24,080
comm's team to really help uh push that
out. And so, really excited to get their

1778
02:31:22,399 --> 02:31:29,720
hands dirty in the public engagement on
top of having some outside help

1779
02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:29,720
facilitating some of these meetings.

1780
02:31:31,120 --> 02:31:35,760
What does the public engagement look
like? Every ward or just one central

1781
02:31:35,520 --> 02:31:38,720
place?
>> I'm gonna have Josh actually speak to

1782
02:31:37,120 --> 02:31:42,080
that. He's been working on this pretty
aggressively.

1783
02:31:39,600 --> 02:31:48,080
» Yeah. So, um there's a lot that we are
working on in terms of the community

1784
02:31:43,760 --> 02:31:55,840
engagement. um not only uh will be doing
community engagement meetings here,

1785
02:31:52,080 --> 02:31:59,760
we also know that generally
um there are um you know populations

1786
02:31:58,720 --> 02:32:03,680
that have historically been
disenfranchised and so we also want to

1787
02:32:01,760 --> 02:32:09,520
go into people's neighborhoods so that
they don't have to come to us but rather

1788
02:32:05,439 --> 02:32:14,960
we go to them. Um and so uh as part of
the strategy, we basically uh took the

1789
02:32:12,560 --> 02:32:21,680
city's census tracks and split the city
up into um basically a north side, east

1790
02:32:18,240 --> 02:32:27,920
side, west side, uh and south side. Um
obviously uh like you there's a map that

1791
02:32:24,880 --> 02:32:32,640
I created um like that's in our system,
but basically it is draw it is drawing

1792
02:32:30,720 --> 02:32:37,280
directly from the census track lines
themselves. And so that's why the uh it

1793
02:32:35,120 --> 02:32:41,520
might look a little um funky based on
what determines north side, west side,

1794
02:32:39,439 --> 02:32:46,720
east side, south side. It's just, you
know, making it easier to organize data,

1795
02:32:43,439 --> 02:32:50,240
but um yeah, basically we'll be going uh
we'll be having, you know, the same

1796
02:32:48,399 --> 02:32:54,800
types of meetings uh here in council
chambers. We'll be going into the

1797
02:32:51,680 --> 02:33:00,240
neighborhoods um and having that same
exact type of meeting. Um on top of

1798
02:32:57,600 --> 02:33:04,160
that, we will also be doing popups at
different community events. So, uh, you

1799
02:33:02,399 --> 02:33:08,000
know, potentially Fall River days might
be one of the first ones that we do. So,

1800
02:33:06,560 --> 02:33:14,160
we want to make sure that we are
actively, um, meeting residents where

1801
02:33:10,560 --> 02:33:18,080
they're at. Um, we do have a draft
survey also prepared as well. Um, you

1802
02:33:16,560 --> 02:33:22,880
know, we'll be doing a video series and
I already have like transcript for the

1803
02:33:20,240 --> 02:33:31,200
first video. So, um, we'll hopefully
have that, uh, in the most rec.

1804
02:33:26,880 --> 02:33:34,720
But uh ultimately um sorry there's a lot
of like a community engagement that

1805
02:33:32,720 --> 02:33:37,680
we're doing but um ultimately like we'll
be doing a lot of social media

1806
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:41,359
engagement. We'll have yard signs that
we'll have um I don't know how many yard

1807
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:44,800
signs just yet. that we're going to look
at the budget and everything, but we'll

1808
02:33:43,280 --> 02:33:48,399
probably have a QR code to basically
link people to that survey or to the

1809
02:33:46,640 --> 02:33:52,160
master plan website where they can get a
bunch of information on what is the

1810
02:33:50,319 --> 02:33:57,520
master plan, be able to review our
master plan. Um, and have, you know, all

1811
02:33:55,840 --> 02:34:03,040
types of information like where we are
in the updating process. Um, so, so

1812
02:34:01,120 --> 02:34:08,960
yeah, there's a lot that's coming. uh it
has been very time consuming but um you

1813
02:34:06,160 --> 02:34:14,399
know if there's any uh there's any other
types of community engagement that you

1814
02:34:10,640 --> 02:34:17,720
guys like to consider.
>> Thank you.

1815
02:34:18,160 --> 02:34:24,800
» Um
yes. So,

1816
02:34:22,240 --> 02:34:30,880
I don't I I think when we did the
update,

1817
02:34:27,040 --> 02:34:36,080
the contractor was about $50,000 for the
update. This is from

1818
02:34:34,960 --> 02:34:41,520
» 2013 or 201
>> No, it was it was 2020.

1819
02:34:38,640 --> 02:34:45,120
» In 2021, we were looking at a potential
$50,000 contractor, but then when CO

1820
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:46,560
hit, we didn't do internally.
>> Right.

1821
02:34:45,600 --> 02:34:52,160
» There was no cost.
>> Yeah. So, and I remember that. So what

1822
02:34:50,399 --> 02:34:56,640
would change this time where we wouldn't
want to do it internally again and we're

1823
02:34:53,840 --> 02:35:01,840
spending $100,000?
>> Yeah. So at that point uh we our staff

1824
02:34:59,680 --> 02:35:06,160
is much busier as far as pure
applications and zoning text amendments

1825
02:35:03,520 --> 02:35:10,399
and things like that in the office with
CO we were able to actually dedicate

1826
02:35:08,000 --> 02:35:13,680
some time when city hall was shut down
and actually dig into some of that work.

1827
02:35:12,160 --> 02:35:19,840
We would have never been able to do it
if we didn't have COVID um in 2021. uh

1828
02:35:17,680 --> 02:35:24,640
but we had some time and we had staff
and so that was the the big reason for

1829
02:35:21,920 --> 02:35:29,200
that. The difference between an a small
update just kind of updating census

1830
02:35:26,240 --> 02:35:32,399
figures um and not doing as as robust
public engagement as we're doing versus

1831
02:35:30,800 --> 02:35:37,120
what we're doing now it's the public
engagement. It's doing a much more

1832
02:35:34,160 --> 02:35:43,280
robust look at what we had and kind of
uh helping us formulate new strategies

1833
02:35:40,000 --> 02:35:49,040
based on the public input.
>> Okay. So, as far as the deliverables

1834
02:35:46,957 --> 02:35:52,160
[clears throat] besides just the text
document, it's going to be some public

1835
02:35:51,359 --> 02:35:56,640
engagement,
>> lots of

1836
02:35:53,520 --> 02:35:59,640
» Okay. Um,
yeah.

1837
02:36:03,680 --> 02:36:11,439
And you think that it's because of
increases to current like zoning text

1838
02:36:09,840 --> 02:36:18,319
amendments that makes it so we can't do
it internally? So when when COVID hit

1839
02:36:16,160 --> 02:36:24,000
and a lot of our permit applications
kind of dwindled and staff was working

1840
02:36:21,280 --> 02:36:26,960
from home and um we we had a we just had
a little bit more time in the office and

1841
02:36:25,520 --> 02:36:29,920
so that's where we're able to be a
little bit more creative um and do some

1842
02:36:28,720 --> 02:36:35,439
of the things that we could have not
done if we if we would have uh we

1843
02:36:32,160 --> 02:36:42,080
wouldn't have had co um but you know as
as staff changes and and as people um

1844
02:36:39,760 --> 02:36:45,760
expand their roles at the point where
that happened was happening. The city

1845
02:36:43,520 --> 02:36:48,800
planner wasn't reviewing zoning at that
point. The building official was, which

1846
02:36:47,600 --> 02:36:52,640
didn't make any sense because the
building official didn't know the zoning

1847
02:36:50,000 --> 02:36:58,800
ordinance. And so that is tacked on a
substantial amount to the city planner.

1848
02:36:54,479 --> 02:37:02,560
Um, and so with all of those things, um,
there just isn't the time and the place

1849
02:37:00,560 --> 02:37:05,680
for on top of the fact that we do have a
grant to pay for half of this.

1850
02:37:05,359 --> 02:37:10,880
» Yeah.
>> And costs have gone up substantially

1851
02:37:07,200 --> 02:37:15,920
since 2020. um which is is a bigger part
of the the increase.

1852
02:37:13,200 --> 02:37:20,560
» Understood. Yeah. I mean I know that we
budgeted for this so it's not like we're

1853
02:37:18,880 --> 02:37:25,680
budgeting outside of what we already
budgeted for. However, it's just it's

1854
02:37:23,600 --> 02:37:29,760
basically like a whole staff position.
You know the amount of pay we could add

1855
02:37:28,000 --> 02:37:34,319
city staff for it. So it's just
something that I think about at least

1856
02:37:31,760 --> 02:37:39,040
going into the future is if we want to
increase kind of private consulting

1857
02:37:36,640 --> 02:37:44,160
contracts or if we would like to bring
some of these jobs in house so we are

1858
02:37:40,880 --> 02:37:51,280
providing like good paying um public
service jobs to the community as well.

1859
02:37:46,880 --> 02:37:56,399
So, um I think you know I would expect a
lot to come out of this contract if

1860
02:37:53,280 --> 02:38:00,960
we're going to spend that much um much
more than just like the master plan

1861
02:37:58,479 --> 02:38:07,040
document and implementation plan and
public engagement but something that um

1862
02:38:03,840 --> 02:38:11,439
would be like lasting for
people in the community to be able to

1863
02:38:08,319 --> 02:38:15,280
look at and actually find um that they
can track if progress is being made

1864
02:38:13,760 --> 02:38:20,640
instead of just like oh progress has
been made up master And I don't know.

1865
02:38:18,399 --> 02:38:24,319
Um, one of the things that I believe
definitely needs to be addressed in this

1866
02:38:22,319 --> 02:38:29,280
master plan that wasn't as addressed in
the last one is like our current housing

1867
02:38:26,319 --> 02:38:33,200
crisis and homelessness in its state.
Um, R1 zoning is also going to be a

1868
02:38:32,080 --> 02:38:38,160
thing that's going to be talked about a
lot in the community, I'm sure.

1869
02:38:35,680 --> 02:38:41,439
Anyway, hopefully um, if we're going to
spend this money on the contract, we

1870
02:38:40,240 --> 02:38:48,319
will have lots of engagement with
council too between um, now whenever

1871
02:38:43,760 --> 02:38:54,439
this is finalized. Definitely.
>> Further questions or comments?

1872
02:38:51,439 --> 02:38:54,439
No.

1873
02:38:56,319 --> 02:38:58,960
» Council member McQueen.
>> Yes.

1874
02:38:57,920 --> 02:39:00,479
» Council member.
>> Yes. Mayor Brown.

1875
02:39:00,160 --> 02:39:02,000
» Yes.
>> Council member Fellows.

1876
02:39:01,600 --> 02:39:03,359
» Yes.
>> Council member Ch.

1877
02:39:03,040 --> 02:39:06,160
» Yes.
>> Motion carries.

1878
02:39:04,319 --> 02:39:10,439
» Thank you so much. Council member
Fellows. You have one to eight.

1879
02:39:10,880 --> 02:39:15,439
Resolution [clears throat]
resolved by the council of the city of

1880
02:39:13,040 --> 02:39:18,960
Atlanta. Whereas on the October 2018,
OHM advisor's parks restroom evaluation

1881
02:39:17,520 --> 02:39:22,399
study documented the renovations
required to return the turning point

1882
02:39:20,800 --> 02:39:26,399
city's park restroom facilities to a
safe accessible year round public

1883
02:39:23,840 --> 02:39:32,319
service and whereas staff has escalated
the study's estimates um to $226 and

1884
02:39:30,160 --> 02:39:37,120
added the Kend King Park facility
resulting in a combined estimated

1885
02:39:33,680 --> 02:39:41,280
project cost of approximately $558,000
for the renovation of restroom

1886
02:39:38,720 --> 02:39:45,760
facilities at Park Ridge Park, Ride
Park, Prospect Park, and Patty Be

1887
02:39:43,520 --> 02:39:49,280
And whereas modern uh hygienic and
accessible park residents are priority

1888
02:39:47,439 --> 02:39:54,640
for improving parks equity and user
experience consistent of the city's 2026

1889
02:39:51,520 --> 02:39:57,840
2030 parks and recreation master plan.
Now therefore be it resolved that the

1890
02:39:56,160 --> 02:40:02,080
city council of the city of Muslani
approves the park restroom renovation

1891
02:39:59,439 --> 02:40:07,680
project at Park Barker Parkside Parker
Park and Canine Park and authorize the

1892
02:40:03,840 --> 02:40:11,439
staff to competitively bid the work be
it further resolved that the city

1893
02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:16,560
council approves utilizing funding from
CDBG and releasing an RFP for the

1894
02:40:13,680 --> 02:40:22,800
project and I move forward and move by
council supported by council member.

1895
02:40:19,760 --> 02:40:28,800
Hello. Um,
so to give you a little bit of

1896
02:40:25,520 --> 02:40:34,319
background on how we ended up here back
probably six months ago,

1897
02:40:31,680 --> 02:40:39,920
uh, city manager proposed an idea of
having self cleaning restrooms in our

1898
02:40:37,200 --> 02:40:45,520
our parks. Uh, and the plan was to go
with two of those. Um, and really

1899
02:40:43,680 --> 02:40:50,000
digging into the numbers and we've kind
of put those numbers, those estimates in

1900
02:40:47,520 --> 02:40:55,120
this proposal. self cleaning systems,
you're looking anywhere 400 to $550,000

1901
02:40:52,880 --> 02:41:01,120
per bathroom, which was pretty
exorbitant. And we have $900,000 in CDBG

1902
02:40:59,040 --> 02:41:05,200
funds that we can actually play with. Uh
so then city manager tasked me with

1903
02:41:03,760 --> 02:41:10,240
working with the building official who's
also a licensed builder to actually look

1904
02:41:07,760 --> 02:41:14,479
at the bathrooms and see really what
could we do with what we existing have

1905
02:41:12,080 --> 02:41:18,800
instead of building these kind of
placing these new self cleaning systems.

1906
02:41:16,640 --> 02:41:26,160
So we went through and investigated what
we had um looked at what OM had done in

1907
02:41:22,160 --> 02:41:29,600
2018 and then revised it in 2021
um and revised those numbers and we

1908
02:41:27,520 --> 02:41:34,240
realized we could get not just
Arbridgeidge Arridge and um

1909
02:41:33,040 --> 02:41:38,560
» awesome
>> it was Prospect Riverside we could also

1910
02:41:36,640 --> 02:41:42,080
have Prospect and then and the city
manager was like well let's get one in

1911
02:41:40,560 --> 02:41:46,640
each ward so we could have a working
bathroom at at our major parks and in

1912
02:41:44,479 --> 02:41:52,399
each ward and there would be two in But
that's because Riverside Park is kind of

1913
02:41:49,840 --> 02:41:56,479
for the whole city. Um, so we we looked
at it. We we took a deep dive and looked

1914
02:41:54,160 --> 02:42:03,040
at how we could actually escalate the
costs and I think uh for the price of

1915
02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:08,880
less than two self thinning systems, we
could actually get four older renovated

1916
02:42:05,439 --> 02:42:15,600
bathrooms. Um, the trade-off is a
self-cleing bathroom would be less

1917
02:42:10,560 --> 02:42:21,200
annual maintenance whereas a as a
renovating his existing bathrooms would

1918
02:42:18,080 --> 02:42:26,080
have more annual maintenance. But in
going to what Councilman Fellows uh

1919
02:42:24,160 --> 02:42:30,560
talked about of working with the city
manager about potentially in-ousing some

1920
02:42:28,960 --> 02:42:34,319
of the janitorial service, I know you're
about to approve a janitorial service

1921
02:42:32,479 --> 02:42:36,720
now, but really trying to bring that in
house to actually have somebody

1922
02:42:35,439 --> 02:42:41,680
responsible for maintaining these
bathrooms on top of other facilities

1923
02:42:39,359 --> 02:42:44,720
over time because I completely agree.
Why outsource something that we could

1924
02:42:42,960 --> 02:42:50,800
actually do uh better and more
efficiently in house? And so that's one

1925
02:42:47,359 --> 02:42:54,240
of the things we're looking at. Um, but
in doing this one, this was drastically

1926
02:42:52,960 --> 02:42:58,160
different than what the city manager
proposed to you. So, I wanted to bring

1927
02:42:55,760 --> 02:43:02,640
this to you before working with CDBG to
create the RFP because we had started

1928
02:43:00,720 --> 02:43:08,720
working for the RFP on the self cleaning
bathrooms. This is a drastically

1929
02:43:05,120 --> 02:43:13,200
different uh uh proposal, but I do think
we could actually get four working

1930
02:43:10,640 --> 02:43:18,319
bathrooms, well, four parks with working
bathrooms um more efficiently and with

1931
02:43:17,040 --> 02:43:23,520
less issues because there was issues
with the self bathrooms because of the

1932
02:43:20,479 --> 02:43:30,080
CDBG steel requirements which requires
all steel to be made in America uh

1933
02:43:26,479 --> 02:43:37,920
without a lot of complicated things. The
CDBG pro program is a very labor

1934
02:43:33,200 --> 02:43:43,359
intensive uh bureaucratic process and so
uh we can definitely redo four bathrooms

1935
02:43:41,840 --> 02:43:46,960
not be able to help in the maintenance
they wouldn't be able to cover the beach

1936
02:43:44,960 --> 02:43:51,880
something but this is probably the
cleanest easiest way for us to get

1937
02:43:48,880 --> 02:43:51,880
bathroom

1938
02:43:54,479 --> 02:44:01,120
» Joe when do we think these will all be
online best case scenario

1939
02:43:57,840 --> 02:44:06,560
» well a lot of it will have will depend
on CDBG environmental review process. My

1940
02:44:04,399 --> 02:44:11,439
hope would be next summer. Um in
reality, even if we started today

1941
02:44:08,800 --> 02:44:16,399
because we still got to get this uh to
CDBG to help us create the RFP, then

1942
02:44:14,080 --> 02:44:21,279
release the RFP. And while these
buildings do exist, some of the work

1943
02:44:18,240 --> 02:44:26,319
cannot happen in the winter. Um but some
of it can. And so there there are some

1944
02:44:23,760 --> 02:44:32,640
there are some differences uh there. And
so, um, I would say to give a realistic

1945
02:44:29,600 --> 02:44:36,560
goal and not a two months, right? It
would be it would be next summer, but

1946
02:44:35,120 --> 02:44:41,960
we're going to be working all the way up
until then to get this done due to the

1947
02:44:38,399 --> 02:44:41,960
CDBG requirements.

1948
02:44:44,960 --> 02:44:47,960
» Question.

1949
02:44:49,840 --> 02:44:55,760
» Great. Thank you. Um,
[clears throat and cough]

1950
02:44:54,240 --> 02:45:01,359
when I was talking about this with the
city manager, um, it sounds like every

1951
02:44:59,279 --> 02:45:06,560
single one of these bathrooms are single
stall, like single room.

1952
02:45:03,840 --> 02:45:08,479
» There are two bathrooms at each park
with a single stall.

1953
02:45:08,000 --> 02:45:12,600
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1954
02:45:09,600 --> 02:45:12,600
Um,

1955
02:45:12,800 --> 02:45:21,760
and one of the things that, um,
I was hoping, I mean, when we discussed

1956
02:45:19,600 --> 02:45:28,560
it back in whenever that resolution
passed to fund these, um, we talked

1957
02:45:24,880 --> 02:45:32,960
about seeing the RFP and this, this
basically um, triggers the ability for

1958
02:45:31,359 --> 02:45:39,520
staff to make an RFP, but I would still
like council to see the RFP before it

1959
02:45:35,680 --> 02:45:43,279
goes out to bid. Um just because like in
this new resolution

1960
02:45:41,520 --> 02:45:50,399
it doesn't have some of the things that
council had put in the original which

1961
02:45:46,240 --> 02:45:54,720
talks about like um
high quality durable materials and um

1962
02:45:53,040 --> 02:46:01,840
drinking fountains with bottle filling
stations and um bedet attachments and

1963
02:45:59,279 --> 02:46:07,040
stuff like this. So just like to see
what the final form is before it goes

1964
02:46:04,560 --> 02:46:13,840
out to bid. Um
>> that's that's completely doable that

1965
02:46:10,399 --> 02:46:17,920
once again and it will you know that's
where sometimes you know next summer is

1966
02:46:16,319 --> 02:46:23,279
probably a very realistic thing just
because we have to get the RFP created

1967
02:46:20,800 --> 02:46:28,160
and CDBG really does handle I it's funny
when we put out an RFP versus something

1968
02:46:25,040 --> 02:46:33,600
just a city project it's 20 to 30 pages
when you do a CDBG project it's 200

1969
02:46:30,640 --> 02:46:37,439
pages and so um I think there's there's
just a lot of governmental

1970
02:46:35,760 --> 02:46:42,720
is we might be able to actually get you
the meat and potatoes of the proposal

1971
02:46:40,880 --> 02:46:46,479
that has everything you're talking about
cuz um the vast majority that I don't

1972
02:46:45,439 --> 02:46:51,760
know if we had the bottom flowing
stations in there but that's not that

1973
02:46:49,120 --> 02:46:55,520
challenging of a thing to add right um
so it's one of those that like we could

1974
02:46:54,000 --> 02:46:59,600
definitely get that do you want to see
the entire legally CDBG stuff or do you

1975
02:46:58,640 --> 02:47:02,880
want to see what we're going to be
bidding out

1976
02:47:01,120 --> 02:47:08,479
» primarily what we're bidding out and
just making sure yeah I mean lot the

1977
02:47:05,359 --> 02:47:13,920
bathrooms are being made today in
different parks around us have the

1978
02:47:11,600 --> 02:47:19,600
exterior, you know, exterior drinking
problems, the bottles and filling. Um,

1979
02:47:16,960 --> 02:47:23,840
and so I think another part of the RFP I
was curious about is if it would if it

1980
02:47:21,520 --> 02:47:29,200
could be flexible enough to include
options for demo reconstruct as well

1981
02:47:27,120 --> 02:47:32,399
because there might be some bids out
there of people are like we don't know

1982
02:47:30,720 --> 02:47:37,840
if we want to rehab the existing
structure but we could do this instead.

1983
02:47:35,359 --> 02:47:41,760
Um, yeah, it's just like another
>> and there's one bathroom that we have

1984
02:47:39,120 --> 02:47:45,359
learned is we have some concerns about
that's candy cane park just because

1985
02:47:43,200 --> 02:47:50,960
there's some just not they're not that
big like even if you were to

1986
02:47:48,319 --> 02:47:53,920
be because of ADA requirements.
>> Yeah.

1987
02:47:51,279 --> 02:48:00,319
» Like it's funny. They're probably an ADA
and a half bath when you go inside the

1988
02:47:56,560 --> 02:48:04,800
these the these structures, which is is
kind of weird because it like you can't

1989
02:48:01,920 --> 02:48:11,520
really put another stall in. uh
adequately. Um and so

1990
02:48:08,880 --> 02:48:16,319
I I hear you. Um but they're like too
small to have more than one bathroom.

1991
02:48:13,520 --> 02:48:21,479
There's one that is not ADA and it's at
uh it's not part of this plan. It's at

1992
02:48:18,479 --> 02:48:21,479
uh

1993
02:48:23,920 --> 02:48:29,680
Peninsula Park and I think there's a
little

1994
02:48:26,960 --> 02:48:33,279
» uh urinal in the men's bathroom, but
once again that was that that's a

1995
02:48:31,840 --> 02:48:36,880
completely separate one that that we're
not going to do. So

1996
02:48:34,720 --> 02:48:42,080
» I think without building brand new,
which is going to substantially increase

1997
02:48:38,479 --> 02:48:46,080
the cost uh here, um really getting more
than one stall in there is probably

1998
02:48:44,160 --> 02:48:51,600
going to be a little challenge.
Oh, I'm not talking about stalls. I I

1999
02:48:48,399 --> 02:48:56,160
mean, I'm a fan of rehabbing existing
structures. If we could do it, we can be

2000
02:48:53,359 --> 02:48:59,760
in compliance with ADA and we can add
the, you know, drinking fountains, all

2001
02:48:57,760 --> 02:49:03,520
that. Great. Let's, you know, reuse the
stuff that we already have. I'm just

2002
02:49:01,520 --> 02:49:08,720
saying that there I could see a
situation in which um there are certain

2003
02:49:06,479 --> 02:49:13,359
companies might approach us with a new
construction instead of rehab. um and

2004
02:49:11,439 --> 02:49:16,720
that it might be favorable to council
depending on like how much it costs and

2005
02:49:15,040 --> 02:49:21,040
whatever else. So, I just don't want to
rule it out completely um because I know

2006
02:49:18,560 --> 02:49:26,720
that we were talking about prefab versus
rehab versus new construct and so I'm

2007
02:49:24,399 --> 02:49:31,680
just requesting that we leave some room
around it. Um

2008
02:49:29,520 --> 02:49:36,640
and I think it would be great to have
more than two bathrooms per park, but I

2009
02:49:34,399 --> 02:49:41,439
think at least two makes sense. And if
they're single cell, that means they

2010
02:49:38,560 --> 02:49:44,800
could be unisex and that or whatever,
you know, their family restrooms.

2011
02:49:43,680 --> 02:49:49,439
» Yeah, there's some like weird things in
the building code, but I think we

2012
02:49:47,200 --> 02:49:55,040
there's ways of working around that.
It's building code is is written as a

2013
02:49:52,080 --> 02:49:58,560
very um gendered
>> it would be best if they were not

2014
02:49:56,479 --> 02:50:01,120
gendered, especially if they're single
stall. movie theater.

2015
02:50:00,479 --> 02:50:04,000
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

2016
02:50:01,680 --> 02:50:09,279
» Another thing that we Joe and I talked
about is to make them ADA accessible.

2017
02:50:06,399 --> 02:50:13,840
There's going to be a need for extension
of walkways to the bathroom. So, we've

2018
02:50:12,399 --> 02:50:17,680
been looking at that as well.
>> Yeah, I think Prospect is the probably

2019
02:50:15,920 --> 02:50:21,920
the hardest one because there's an ADA
path there and there's definitely not an

2020
02:50:19,439 --> 02:50:27,040
ADA path at Candy Pain. However, with
some of the play structures, we've

2021
02:50:23,279 --> 02:50:31,520
actually gotten an ADA path closer to
that. Oh,

2022
02:50:29,040 --> 02:50:35,920
» but like essentially what we're hoping
for out of today is number one, we want

2023
02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:41,040
to go with rehab and potentially replace
and we that fact could be added into the

2024
02:50:37,920 --> 02:50:45,600
into the bid. It just um
just looking at the cost and talking to

2025
02:50:42,800 --> 02:50:52,000
to Jerry um really the cost to to
renovate is usually always

2026
02:50:48,720 --> 02:50:55,600
less expensive. Um but we want to make
sure that you're good with this plan. Um

2027
02:50:54,080 --> 02:51:01,279
that our plan is just to renovate what
we have. Uh or potentially new and then

2028
02:50:58,960 --> 02:51:06,720
go through the CDBG process uh to get
the bid created. But that's not going to

2029
02:51:03,200 --> 02:51:11,520
be a tomorrow thing because it does take
ample time and there's only so many CDBG

2030
02:51:09,520 --> 02:51:18,880
staff and all of these parts will be
done.

2031
02:51:13,680 --> 02:51:24,640
» 954. So we move forward if we do have
move forward. Uh so

2032
02:51:22,160 --> 02:51:28,479
you know with regard to prospect part it
it I mean it would be great to have the

2033
02:51:26,000 --> 02:51:34,399
ADA path anyway you know about the
bathroom. Um

2034
02:51:31,680 --> 02:51:40,479
most
uh yeah just like if can we expect like

2035
02:51:37,760 --> 02:51:46,000
seeing the RFP for after CDBG go through
it within the next couple council

2036
02:51:42,319 --> 02:51:52,479
meetings. So it depends on I I will get
back to you on that just because uh if

2037
02:51:48,399 --> 02:51:57,040
this gets approved because
to see the CDG RFBS to be a that's a lot

2038
02:51:55,040 --> 02:52:01,680
much longer document we might be able to
actually fine-tune it and get you

2039
02:51:59,359 --> 02:52:06,960
similar to what this doc is but with
just a little bit more detail.

2040
02:52:03,359 --> 02:52:10,880
» That sounds great. Okay.
Further

2041
02:52:09,439 --> 02:52:13,359
down
>> Mayor Brown.

2042
02:52:11,680 --> 02:52:14,800
» Yes. Council member Phillips.
>> Yes.

2043
02:52:13,760 --> 02:52:16,399
» Council member Tusk.
>> Yes.

2044
02:52:15,279 --> 02:52:17,760
» Council member McCle.
>> Yes.

2045
02:52:16,800 --> 02:52:22,240
» Council member.
>> Yes.

2046
02:52:19,200 --> 02:52:26,720
» Thank you.
>> Mayor move to extend the meeting until

2047
02:52:25,120 --> 02:52:34,040
11:00.
>> Support.

2048
02:52:28,640 --> 02:52:34,040
» All right. All in favor say I.

2049
02:52:34,720 --> 02:52:38,960
» 10:30.
We have a whole another page that says

2050
02:52:38,319 --> 02:52:42,720
to go.
>> Yes. Um the council receives you have

2051
02:52:41,600 --> 02:52:46,479
199.
>> Yes. Whereas city of Columbia is a

2052
02:52:44,800 --> 02:52:50,319
member of the Michigan municipal league
and their annual convention will be held

2053
02:52:48,080 --> 02:52:55,600
in Traverse City October 7th through the
9th 2026. And whereas the city has

2054
02:52:52,960 --> 02:52:59,680
received a request from MML to designate
an official who will be in attendance at

2055
02:52:57,520 --> 02:53:05,520
the convention as our official voting
delegate as well as a designate

2056
02:53:02,960 --> 02:53:09,359
as well as designate an alter alternate
I'm sorry. Now therefore be it resolved

2057
02:53:07,520 --> 02:53:14,160
by the council of the city of Senny that
blank be appointed as voting delegate

2058
02:53:12,000 --> 02:53:17,680
and that blank be appointed as alternate
delegate for the Michigan municipal city

2059
02:53:16,080 --> 02:53:24,359
annual convention to be held in Traverse
Cities October the 7th through the 9th

2060
02:53:20,560 --> 02:53:24,359
2026 so

2061
02:53:27,520 --> 02:53:34,560
» if I may um council member King is the
only council member who is currently

2062
02:53:31,760 --> 02:53:38,800
registered for the conference
>> but they do want us to designate

2063
02:53:36,319 --> 02:53:41,920
on um me would be the voting and then
possibly an alternate if we have

2064
02:53:40,479 --> 02:53:47,840
somebody else who would come.
>> Okay. I'm sorry. I saw your email

2065
02:53:46,000 --> 02:53:50,840
there.
>> Yeah.

2066
02:53:52,319 --> 02:53:55,479
» One thing

2067
02:54:01,120 --> 02:54:06,520
» and then the alternate will be council
member Kane.

2068
02:54:06,560 --> 02:54:10,200
That's kind of cool.

2069
02:54:12,319 --> 02:54:17,319
» Do we need to like cuz it wasn't writing

2070
02:54:21,920 --> 02:54:26,600
conversation on Fridays?

2071
02:54:34,319 --> 02:54:36,640
Yes.
>> Council member Tus.

2072
02:54:36,080 --> 02:54:38,160
» Yes.
>> Council member MC.

2073
02:54:37,760 --> 02:54:39,920
» Yes.
>> Council member Ke.

2074
02:54:39,279 --> 02:54:41,120
» Yes.
>> Mayor Brown.

2075
02:54:40,720 --> 02:54:47,000
» Yes.
>> Motion carries.

2076
02:54:42,960 --> 02:54:47,000
» Wait, who seconded that?

2077
02:54:49,760 --> 02:54:56,399
» Yeah, just
so resolution number 2026-200

2078
02:54:55,040 --> 02:55:01,760
resolved by the council of the city of
Deleni. Whereas the Frog Island parking

2079
02:54:58,720 --> 02:55:05,520
lot replacement project has been has
been awarded and whereas the city

2080
02:55:03,920 --> 02:55:10,560
requires project oversight and
construction coordination services and

2081
02:55:07,840 --> 02:55:15,200
has solicited a propo proposal from OM
the city's engineer of record. Now

2082
02:55:12,960 --> 02:55:20,640
therefore be it resolved that the city
council approves a proposal submitted by

2083
02:55:17,040 --> 02:55:23,840
OM in the amount of $142,825
and be it further resolved that the

2084
02:55:22,080 --> 02:55:28,479
mayor and city clerk are authorized to
sign this contract subject to approval

2085
02:55:25,680 --> 02:55:31,680
by the city attorney and that any change
orders may be approved by the city

2086
02:55:30,080 --> 02:55:38,760
manager to facilitate completion of this
work and I so move

2087
02:55:34,080 --> 02:55:38,760
» by supported by council member.

2088
02:55:38,960 --> 02:55:46,359
» Good evening city.
>> Good evening.

2089
02:55:42,240 --> 02:55:46,359
I am if you have any questions

2090
02:55:50,319 --> 02:55:57,279
questions
I can add just one thing um that I'm

2091
02:55:55,279 --> 02:56:02,319
sure council's aware of but this is part
of the METC funding for infrastructure

2092
02:55:59,439 --> 02:56:05,800
that we received so this would be a good
hunk of that.

2093
02:56:06,399 --> 02:56:17,399
» Thank you. which this MBTC funding is
specific to reconstruction of Frog Adler

2094
02:56:13,680 --> 02:56:17,399
as well as DVW.

2095
02:56:20,479 --> 02:56:27,840
Um,
first I just uh want to up list that the

2096
02:56:26,080 --> 02:56:31,439
comm's team did you know do some
outreach to the public or to let them

2097
02:56:29,760 --> 02:56:35,840
know this was happening soon and that
there would be some conflict with IC

2098
02:56:33,760 --> 02:56:40,960
pride and I thought that was good
communication to give people

2099
02:56:37,600 --> 02:56:48,319
expectations of what to expect. Um I am
worried about how that's going to go. um

2100
02:56:44,960 --> 02:56:52,720
if we might have like a plan for busing
people or something because there will

2101
02:56:50,240 --> 02:56:57,840
be um much less parking than in than
previous years. So we've actually worked

2102
02:56:55,520 --> 02:57:04,560
out with the contractor the lot is going
to be open and safe to park in during

2103
02:57:01,359 --> 02:57:08,399
Ipsy Prime. So for the 30th and although
they did start on concrete removal I

2104
02:57:06,640 --> 02:57:13,840
believe today I saw a giant truck full
of concrete rolled down the road. Um the

2105
02:57:11,520 --> 02:57:17,680
concrete that is most crucial to the
success of Ipsy Pride cites associated

2106
02:57:15,920 --> 02:57:22,080
with the ramps around market plaza and
at southern end parking lot are to

2107
02:57:19,520 --> 02:57:26,160
remain intact till after pride. Great.
Yeah. So we're ensuring accessibility

2108
02:57:23,920 --> 02:57:28,240
the best we can. Rumble of the bumble is
going to have more challenges likely.

2109
02:57:27,760 --> 02:57:32,479
However,
>> do we know kind of the date to start the

2110
02:57:30,720 --> 02:57:35,600
end? It's approximately middle of
October I think is the end and the start

2111
02:57:34,319 --> 02:57:39,920
was yesterday.
>> Yeah. Okay.

2112
02:57:38,000 --> 02:57:46,560
» Um
yeah.

2113
02:57:42,240 --> 02:57:54,160
Just one other comment is um I heard a
lot of feedback about parking in um

2114
02:57:50,319 --> 02:57:58,240
specifically metering and so I know that
there's been some discussion about how

2115
02:57:55,760 --> 02:58:02,240
to tackle that for the Long Island lot.
I'm just kind of bringing up that there

2116
02:57:59,760 --> 02:58:06,560
probably needs to be more because we got
or at least I got a lot more input the

2117
02:58:04,319 --> 02:58:10,880
last few months about
different considerations and why we

2118
02:58:08,240 --> 02:58:16,560
might meter and why we might might not.
So um it I don't see it as part of this

2119
02:58:14,240 --> 02:58:19,439
plan right now for the reconstruct but I
imagine is that something that's being

2120
02:58:18,160 --> 02:58:23,600
integrated at some point.
>> So ultimately the plan is to meter it so

2121
02:58:21,439 --> 02:58:25,680
that we can maintain it.
>> Is that going to be part of the

2122
02:58:24,640 --> 02:58:29,760
reconstruct?
>> Not directly. No.

2123
02:58:27,439 --> 02:58:31,920
» Yeah. But something that will come
within within the next month.

2124
02:58:31,520 --> 02:58:41,000
» Yeah.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you.

2125
02:58:35,600 --> 02:58:41,000
Further comments, questions for

2126
02:58:41,040 --> 02:58:45,840
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

2127
02:58:44,560 --> 02:58:47,359
» Council member Tusen.
>> Yes.

2128
02:58:46,319 --> 02:58:48,800
» Council member McConey.
>> Yes.

2129
02:58:47,760 --> 02:58:49,920
» Council member Hay.
>> Yes.

2130
02:58:49,120 --> 02:58:51,279
» Mayor Brown.
>> Yes.

2131
02:58:50,240 --> 02:58:55,920
» Council member Phelps.
>> Yes.

2132
02:58:51,600 --> 02:59:00,399
» Motion carries. Council member of 2011.
resolved by the council of visiant

2133
02:58:58,319 --> 02:59:03,840
whereas the profit road bridge design
superstructure replacement project will

2134
02:59:02,000 --> 02:59:07,760
be veted through the MDOT local agency
program and is programmed for the state

2135
02:59:05,279 --> 02:59:11,439
fiscal year 2028 funding through the
neighborhood roads fund and whereas the

2136
02:59:09,520 --> 02:59:16,399
city requires project oversight testing
and design services and solicited a

2137
02:59:14,240 --> 02:59:21,439
proposal from OM the city's engineer of
record now therefore be resolved that

2138
02:59:18,720 --> 02:59:25,279
the city uh city council approves the
proposal submitted by OM in the amount

2139
02:59:23,520 --> 02:59:29,520
of 305,860
60 and be it further resolved that the

2140
02:59:28,000 --> 02:59:32,800
mayor and city clerk are authorized to
sign this contract subject to the

2141
02:59:30,800 --> 02:59:36,080
approval of the city attorney and that
any changes uh change orders may be

2142
02:59:34,800 --> 02:59:39,600
approved by the city manager to
facilitate completion of this work and I

2143
02:59:37,840 --> 02:59:43,960
so move
>> by fellow supported by counciloman

2144
02:59:47,760 --> 02:59:52,000
» again would love to answer if you have
any questions

2145
02:59:54,640 --> 02:59:59,080
cross bridge.

2146
03:00:01,520 --> 03:00:04,520
Um,

2147
03:00:05,200 --> 03:00:08,520
this one

2148
03:00:08,960 --> 03:00:18,200
I mean one of the things I think I saw
was that there was going to be expansion

2149
03:00:12,160 --> 03:00:18,200
of the sidewalks. That sounds great. um

2150
03:00:18,800 --> 03:00:28,880
thing I always want to bring up in any
of these major reconstructions or um

2151
03:00:24,720 --> 03:00:34,479
changes to our roadway is non motorized
including bike and so I'm wondering like

2152
03:00:32,399 --> 03:00:37,920
what are we doing as far as preparing
and thinking about future bike

2153
03:00:36,240 --> 03:00:40,319
infrastructure and how the bridge would
be

2154
03:00:38,800 --> 03:00:44,319
» so I believe we're still looking at the
feasibility of adding dedicated bike

2155
03:00:42,240 --> 03:00:49,760
lanes or at least space for added bike
lines Um the superructure is very dep is

2156
03:00:47,920 --> 03:00:52,880
very wide right now because it is two
lanes.

2157
03:00:50,720 --> 03:00:58,960
» Um so I believe that we should have
ample space. We're still in the design

2158
03:00:56,080 --> 03:01:01,760
phase though. So I I can't guarantee and
one of the things that the planning

2159
03:01:00,319 --> 03:01:06,000
department is actually pursuing in
parallel is ensuring that there is

2160
03:01:04,319 --> 03:01:12,720
actually added to the non-motorized
transportation plan a provision um that

2161
03:01:10,640 --> 03:01:16,479
uh one of the goals of the city is to
approve non motorized transportation on

2162
03:01:14,720 --> 03:01:21,120
all these bridges and significant
infrastructure features features because

2163
03:01:18,800 --> 03:01:26,880
that helps us actually secure funding uh
from our federal partners to supply

2164
03:01:23,200 --> 03:01:30,960
these things. Um, right now it's a we
bit interesting. Um, but it's still a

2165
03:01:29,120 --> 03:01:36,560
good plan for the long term and should
help us uh in other bridge replacements

2166
03:01:34,479 --> 03:01:40,720
in the future, which we hope not to have
to do on our own for quite some time.

2167
03:01:38,399 --> 03:01:46,800
But, uh, the Michigan Avenue Bridge is
coming up under MDOT's perview in

2168
03:01:43,200 --> 03:01:51,920
approximately 2030. So,
that is something that we are hoping to

2169
03:01:49,279 --> 03:01:55,279
ensure that they consider their design.
As you've noticed, no doubt the

2170
03:01:53,680 --> 03:01:58,720
sidewalks on both sides are rather
narrow and if nothing else, we need

2171
03:01:56,800 --> 03:02:02,720
wider sidewalks.
>> So, is that meaning that we're probably

2172
03:02:00,720 --> 03:02:07,359
considering going down to one lane each
direction? That makes sense to me given

2173
03:02:05,359 --> 03:02:12,880
that seems like the traffic is not
impeded now. It's probably less wear and

2174
03:02:09,760 --> 03:02:18,720
tear on the bridge in the long term. And
um yeah, that sounds good to me. So, I'm

2175
03:02:15,760 --> 03:02:22,319
just like hoping then there's some like
conversation in the design. We want to

2176
03:02:20,720 --> 03:02:27,960
plan for the future. We want to plan for
the road shift. We want to see.

2177
03:02:24,720 --> 03:02:27,960
» Thank you.

2178
03:02:32,000 --> 03:02:36,399
Please follow.
>> Council member McClean,

2179
03:02:35,760 --> 03:02:38,000
» yes.
>> Council member King,

2180
03:02:37,520 --> 03:02:39,279
» yes.
>> Mayor Brown,

2181
03:02:38,880 --> 03:02:40,720
» yes.
>> Council member Phelps,

2182
03:02:40,399 --> 03:02:43,760
» yes.
>> Council member Tusk,

2183
03:02:41,760 --> 03:02:49,160
» yes. Motion carries.
>> Thank you. You have two or two.

2184
03:02:50,720 --> 03:02:56,000
resolved by the council of city of
whereas proposals were solicited for

2185
03:02:54,319 --> 03:03:01,279
janitorial services for several city
facilities and whereas the bid of 59,400

2186
03:02:59,760 --> 03:03:05,840
annually
uh submitted by facilities 360 of Ann

2187
03:03:03,760 --> 03:03:10,000
Arbor Michigan meets the specifications
is within 5% of the lowest qualified

2188
03:03:07,920 --> 03:03:14,080
bidder subject to the city's level
preference guidelines and would best

2189
03:03:11,840 --> 03:03:17,439
service the interests of the city and
now therefore be resolved

2190
03:03:18,240 --> 03:03:26,399
That's the city council of the city of
epsilenia award 2026 gitorial services

2191
03:03:23,840 --> 03:03:31,200
bid to facilities60 for an annual cost
of $59,400 and authorize the city

2192
03:03:29,040 --> 03:03:35,040
manager sign the contract documents and
any change order subject to approval by

2193
03:03:32,880 --> 03:03:39,640
the city attorney to complete the board
of this contract support.

2194
03:03:43,040 --> 03:03:49,000
» Yes.
>> I'm sorry.

2195
03:03:45,520 --> 03:03:49,000
» Okay. Sorry.

2196
03:03:51,279 --> 03:03:55,200
» Again, once more.
>> Yes.

2197
03:03:53,279 --> 03:03:58,896
» After 10 10 p.m. on my roll. So, I'm
just here if you guys have questions.

2198
03:03:56,877 --> 03:03:58,896
[laughter]

2199
03:03:59,520 --> 03:04:07,439
» Questions for me.
>> McDonald's. Uh how come we're changing

2200
03:04:05,680 --> 03:04:13,279
services?
>> Uh we have had a lot of feedback from

2201
03:04:09,920 --> 03:04:17,880
stakeholders about the RNA services.
It has not been universally good.

2202
03:04:18,640 --> 03:04:28,200
I've also been under contract with them
for about five years now. So

2203
03:04:24,960 --> 03:04:28,200
it's time

2204
03:04:32,560 --> 03:04:35,560
Council

2205
03:04:39,200 --> 03:04:41,760
member McCle,
>> yes.

2206
03:04:40,560 --> 03:04:43,120
» Council member King,
>> yes.

2207
03:04:42,319 --> 03:04:44,640
» Mayor Bren,
>> yes.

2208
03:04:43,520 --> 03:04:46,080
» Council member Phillips,
>> yes.

2209
03:04:44,960 --> 03:04:48,960
» Council member,
>> yes. Motion carries.

2210
03:04:47,439 --> 03:04:53,200
» Thank you. Council member King, you have
203.

2211
03:04:50,560 --> 03:04:59,279
Whereas the city of Islami help helps to
host hundreds of events per year both

2212
03:04:55,840 --> 03:05:04,399
public and private in its in its parks
and public areas as well as within the

2213
03:05:01,600 --> 03:05:10,479
Islamic pray house. And whereas the
special events policy was last

2214
03:05:06,640 --> 03:05:15,359
significantly revised more than 10 years
ago. Whereas the city has reviewed the

2215
03:05:13,359 --> 03:05:20,640
policy and made updates to align with
the current ordinance and the adopted

2216
03:05:17,680 --> 03:05:25,200
policy goals of the community. Now
therefore be resolved that the city of

2217
03:05:22,960 --> 03:05:28,880
city council adopt the special events
policy as move by councel king

2218
03:05:28,000 --> 03:05:32,279
» support
>> by council member.

2219
03:05:36,720 --> 03:05:42,160
this one. As I said, generally my rule
is after 10 p.m. I'm only here to answer

2220
03:05:40,399 --> 03:05:46,800
questions, but I did send you all an
email earlier on that compiled some of

2221
03:05:44,479 --> 03:05:50,800
the questions I had been asked uh prior
to the meeting uh both at parks and arts

2222
03:05:48,720 --> 03:05:55,600
last night and generally via email from
members of council. So, uh one was how

2223
03:05:54,399 --> 03:05:59,520
are the insurance amounts said?
Generally, there's on the events of our

2224
03:05:57,120 --> 03:06:03,359
legal council. Uh two, there's a
discrepancy between an amount mentioned

2225
03:06:01,120 --> 03:06:08,399
in the text under 5.2 alcohol and in the
table, which is correct. The amount of

2226
03:06:04,720 --> 03:06:11,920
the table will cost adoption. Uh that
table as well will take precedence

2227
03:06:10,000 --> 03:06:16,319
correct the amount of text. What
happened to the capital fee? What was

2228
03:06:13,439 --> 03:06:20,880
it? Um we addressed that earlier on in
the larger fee schedule exception. Uh

2229
03:06:19,120 --> 03:06:24,720
the community events policy, it doesn't
seem to automatically apply to

2230
03:06:22,319 --> 03:06:30,560
nonprofits. That is an intentional
choice. Uh oftent times people who are

2231
03:06:27,600 --> 03:06:35,040
not nonprofits uh help community events.
So people who are individuals, Anthony

2232
03:06:32,720 --> 03:06:41,200
Williamson is usually a great example.
uh he helps to host things like uh the

2233
03:06:37,439 --> 03:06:45,279
Parkridge Summerfest. He is very active
in about at least three different

2234
03:06:43,600 --> 03:06:49,439
organizations that I know of and
sometimes he's doing it as an Anthony

2235
03:06:47,760 --> 03:06:53,279
Williamson thing and sometimes he's
doing it as men and women working for

2236
03:06:51,200 --> 03:06:58,000
change or part of the Parker Committee
or this or the housing commission and

2237
03:06:56,160 --> 03:07:04,240
it's it's fascinating and wonderful and
we want to see more in the community. Um

2238
03:07:01,120 --> 03:07:08,000
but we know that other uh individuals
actually do step up to help run some

2239
03:07:06,319 --> 03:07:14,000
truly lovely events that bring a lot of
vibrancy to our our community. Um so the

2240
03:07:12,160 --> 03:07:21,040
goals that we have intended to reach
with the community events uh was to uh

2241
03:07:19,520 --> 03:07:26,720
encourage more events that were open to
the public, provided lowcost recreation

2242
03:07:23,040 --> 03:07:30,720
opportunities and to um and vendor fairs
that provide market opportunities for

2243
03:07:28,319 --> 03:07:34,399
local artists and artisans. So,
nonprofits are sometimes organizers of

2244
03:07:32,880 --> 03:07:37,840
these events, but not always. And
nonprofits occasionally hold private or

2245
03:07:36,240 --> 03:07:43,680
semi-private events such as donor
appreciation events or employee things

2246
03:07:40,960 --> 03:07:47,279
or uh events that are specifically for
their clients. Although we'd love to

2247
03:07:45,439 --> 03:07:52,319
host them in our parks and the freight
house, uh we recognize this does not

2248
03:07:49,439 --> 03:07:57,040
always align with the stated intent that
we've heard from Council on Parks and

2249
03:07:53,680 --> 03:08:00,880
Arts. So, it's if council wants to open
that up, of course, it's your will. Uh

2250
03:07:59,359 --> 03:08:06,479
we're just aligning with what we've
heard so far. Uh security deposits, what

2251
03:08:04,080 --> 03:08:09,520
are they meant to cover? They are meant
to cover and have been charged when

2252
03:08:07,920 --> 03:08:14,080
there's significant damage like tire
rods in the parks or broken pictures and

2253
03:08:12,080 --> 03:08:18,240
frames in the freight house. Um they're
meant to cover the cost of site

2254
03:08:15,439 --> 03:08:22,000
restoration or repaired items. Uh
security deposits, much like other fees,

2255
03:08:20,319 --> 03:08:25,920
are also forfeit when there's a ruler
ordinance broken. Uh the most common

2256
03:08:24,000 --> 03:08:31,439
ones are driving in the park without
approval or staking things down where

2257
03:08:28,800 --> 03:08:36,080
they shouldn't be staking things down.
The vast majority of the time deposits

2258
03:08:33,680 --> 03:08:41,200
are fully profited.
Uh when would these changes take effect?

2259
03:08:37,920 --> 03:08:46,640
We addressed that earlier on. Um
yes, generally these fees are a lot

2260
03:08:43,040 --> 03:08:53,760
lower. The aim here was not to cover the
entire cost of putting on events for to

2261
03:08:49,680 --> 03:08:59,200
staff and the operational budget. Um but
just to cover the direct cost in many

2262
03:08:56,399 --> 03:09:04,720
cases of having a person there to either
check on the site beforehand to assist

2263
03:09:01,520 --> 03:09:09,359
with an event uh as it's going on or to
check on event afterwards to do the

2264
03:09:06,960 --> 03:09:13,520
direct setup. So we are now attempting
to as we have in years past incorporate

2265
03:09:11,760 --> 03:09:18,880
some of the ongoing maintenance costs,
the costs of maintaining things like

2266
03:09:15,359 --> 03:09:25,760
barricades, costs of uh maintaining the
electric in many of our parks, uh fun

2267
03:09:21,600 --> 03:09:30,240
things like that. So this is generally
incorporating only the operational

2268
03:09:28,319 --> 03:09:36,880
costs.
Yes, the direct operational costs for

2269
03:09:33,359 --> 03:09:42,560
actually having the event capturing of
the maintenance costs. So the things

2270
03:09:39,200 --> 03:09:47,040
like janitorial and whatnot for the
non-resident events with the

2271
03:09:44,080 --> 03:09:53,040
understanding that residents are
subsidizing the events already through

2272
03:09:49,760 --> 03:09:57,760
the general fund and debts.
self. Um hopefully that explains things

2273
03:09:56,399 --> 03:10:02,720
to come into a little bit more depth,
but we've heard demand for lower fees

2274
03:09:59,439 --> 03:10:07,040
and we've attempted to accommodate that.
Um what is the process if something new

2275
03:10:05,040 --> 03:10:10,800
or weird or cool happens? What happens
if exception needs to be made or

2276
03:10:08,640 --> 03:10:14,960
something is done on the fly? So we know
that one policy can't anticipate

2277
03:10:12,560 --> 03:10:20,560
absolutely everything uh or every
situation. So in section 6.1 we provide

2278
03:10:18,000 --> 03:10:24,960
for usually large and complex events and
in section which would include actually

2279
03:10:22,880 --> 03:10:29,040
every new parade. So the only parades
that are currently considered under this

2280
03:10:26,720 --> 03:10:34,000
policy are the existing parades or
processions the memorial day procession

2281
03:10:30,960 --> 03:10:38,000
and the fourth July parade. These are
extremely large and complicated events

2282
03:10:36,080 --> 03:10:44,640
for both the organizers to put on and
for us to to help with.

2283
03:10:41,200 --> 03:10:49,040
Um so another parade or similar type of
event like a 5K uh that would be

2284
03:10:47,279 --> 03:10:52,560
considered an unusually large or
complicated event and that would

2285
03:10:50,479 --> 03:10:58,960
actually come to council for the for
your approval. In section 7.4 four which

2286
03:10:56,000 --> 03:11:04,319
is um the chapter or section about
community supported events of council

2287
03:11:01,680 --> 03:11:09,200
supported events. Uh we provide for a
scope or budget impact changes for city

2288
03:11:06,720 --> 03:11:14,399
partner sponsored events uh that will
often require counselor parks and arts

2289
03:11:11,120 --> 03:11:18,319
position review. You are welcome to
build in more flexibility if you see

2290
03:11:16,479 --> 03:11:24,160
fit.
Uh noise permit. So there is a 2hour

2291
03:11:21,439 --> 03:11:30,080
gap. Uh, you are of course welcome to
fill that in as see fit. Either louder

2292
03:11:27,439 --> 03:11:37,120
from 10:00 a.m. to noon or quieter from
10:00 a.m. to noon. And in my email item

2293
03:11:33,680 --> 03:11:40,720
nine, um, I do provide a couple of
thoughts.

2294
03:11:39,200 --> 03:11:44,240
Then there are some typos andor
inconsistently phrased things. Can those

2295
03:11:42,399 --> 03:11:48,560
be fixed? Yes, this those can be fixed
without council specific action. We can

2296
03:11:46,960 --> 03:11:52,240
do
things called scrims

2297
03:11:50,880 --> 03:11:58,880
where it doesn't affect the actual
policy. We can fill uh errors like

2298
03:11:56,160 --> 03:12:05,080
number of issues and of course yes we
will be updating

2299
03:12:02,080 --> 03:12:05,080
questions

2300
03:12:06,560 --> 03:12:09,560
questions.

2301
03:12:20,479 --> 03:12:27,439
Um,
page 472, when we get into these

2302
03:12:25,120 --> 03:12:35,120
community events,
um, just for clarity, it says like a

2303
03:12:32,160 --> 03:12:40,640
medium event is 250 a day or large event
350 a day, etc. And then it says

2304
03:12:38,319 --> 03:12:46,000
community event 40% discount. Does that
mean it's 40% of 250 a day?

2305
03:12:44,160 --> 03:12:51,840
» Okay.
>> Or 40% off of that price, I'm sorry. Not

2306
03:12:48,640 --> 03:12:57,359
» Yes. 40% off of that price.
>> And then uh the security deposit that's

2307
03:12:55,200 --> 03:12:59,520
listed is the only security deposit.
>> Yeah, there's no discount to the

2308
03:12:58,800 --> 03:13:02,479
security.
>> Right. Right.

2309
03:13:00,399 --> 03:13:07,080
» Okay,
sounds good. Um

2310
03:13:07,920 --> 03:13:15,200
I think
you know we had that when we talked

2311
03:13:11,359 --> 03:13:20,160
earlier about this applying to exist
existing um

2312
03:13:18,319 --> 03:13:26,640
applicants.
Um you suggested that it gets changed.

2313
03:13:24,160 --> 03:13:30,720
So we did have the opportunity to take a
look at the pending events. everybody

2314
03:13:28,560 --> 03:13:36,080
that has already signed a contract,
they're um they're already at a lower

2315
03:13:32,880 --> 03:13:41,439
rate than this would actually provide.
And the people that would benefit from

2316
03:13:38,640 --> 03:13:45,200
lower pricing, uh we've encouraged them
not to sign the contract until we see

2317
03:13:43,680 --> 03:13:48,160
what happens to that.
>> I do know of one event that is not true

2318
03:13:47,520 --> 03:13:53,279
for
>> I would love to look them up,

2319
03:13:50,640 --> 03:13:56,760
» what events for Bread and Puppets on
September 30th.

2320
03:13:56,800 --> 03:14:06,479
They're being charged like 4,000
when by this one it would be

2321
03:14:04,319 --> 03:14:11,000
October 2nd.
>> Nope.

2322
03:14:07,040 --> 03:14:11,000
» Uh September 30th.

2323
03:14:18,160 --> 03:14:25,040
We did not have a time to go into a full
dive as to whether or not something

2324
03:14:22,000 --> 03:14:30,640
would be classified as a
community event necessarily under the

2325
03:14:27,600 --> 03:14:35,600
new uh schema. So that's actually a good
point.

2326
03:14:33,200 --> 03:14:42,720
Yeah. So I mean that would bring it from
$4,000 to 450 plus security deposit. So

2327
03:14:39,439 --> 03:14:48,800
950. go. Um
I do think that the whatever events um

2328
03:14:47,200 --> 03:14:51,680
haven't occurred yet, but people are in
contract, they should know of this

2329
03:14:50,239 --> 03:14:56,640
change and they should be able to access
this change because it's significant.

2330
03:14:54,960 --> 03:15:00,720
» Yeah.
>> Is that okay? You don't have to do

2331
03:14:59,040 --> 03:15:04,800
» the will of council and it would be
easier to explain to all applicants if

2332
03:15:03,200 --> 03:15:08,960
there is an actual resolution or
something included that I want to that

2333
03:15:06,880 --> 03:15:14,160
isn't that that does not seem like it is
a win of step.

2334
03:15:11,680 --> 03:15:19,120
Okay. So, where
>> were

2335
03:15:15,840 --> 03:15:22,160
all of these uh contracts signed after
the start of the fiscal year or some

2336
03:15:21,200 --> 03:15:27,399
before?
>> I would have to look on a case by case

2337
03:15:24,399 --> 03:15:27,399
basis.

2338
03:15:28,000 --> 03:15:32,880
» Sorry, you said that was what date
again? I'm sorry. I had to do the two

2339
03:15:32,319 --> 03:15:36,600
factor.
>> September 30th.

2340
03:15:36,960 --> 03:15:39,960
Anybody

2341
03:15:52,399 --> 03:16:00,080
know where this resolution is on? What
page it's on?

2342
03:15:56,720 --> 03:16:03,760
» I'm using the portal. So number one is
it

2343
03:16:00,319 --> 03:16:10,120
» maybe it's 483 special events
>> 203.

2344
03:16:05,920 --> 03:16:10,120
Yeah, I mean the portal.

2345
03:16:10,239 --> 03:16:17,000
» It looks like that contract was on the
5th of August.

2346
03:16:19,600 --> 03:16:30,319
» Yeah. So this was helpful.
>> Okay. So I will just offer then a

2347
03:16:25,840 --> 03:16:35,040
amendment to the existing resolution
that says

2348
03:16:32,319 --> 03:16:41,680
um
uh therefore be it resolved that

2349
03:16:38,319 --> 03:16:46,160
uh staff reach out to
um

2350
03:16:43,840 --> 03:16:50,160
existing
reservations and contracts with special

2351
03:16:48,640 --> 03:16:56,160
events
um to so that they aren't

2352
03:16:53,600 --> 03:17:04,120
uh aware of the new policy change and
and that uh if applicable that that

2353
03:16:59,840 --> 03:17:04,120
those changes apply to their event

2354
03:17:05,760 --> 03:17:15,080
is that supported
by council member Kane

2355
03:17:11,359 --> 03:17:15,080
» discussion on the amendment

2356
03:17:20,080 --> 03:17:28,080
we're going to say something or
Um but this portion would be fine or we

2357
03:17:25,680 --> 03:17:35,040
could just provide any applicant with
the updated fee structure and say here

2358
03:17:32,239 --> 03:17:39,680
this is what you actually owe now
rather than just say we change this just

2359
03:17:36,800 --> 03:17:43,600
say here this is the so just update
their existing

2360
03:17:42,560 --> 03:17:50,880
» with the notice
>> that would be preferable

2361
03:17:45,840 --> 03:17:55,600
that be way easier um yeah it'll And
that's a lot of contracts to review.

2362
03:17:52,479 --> 03:17:59,120
I'll be honest, but we'll check
>> that are in this fiscal year.

2363
03:17:57,840 --> 03:18:03,120
» I think was that what you were you were
getting at?

2364
03:17:59,520 --> 03:18:07,200
» Well, I was going to say anything that
you know

2365
03:18:05,120 --> 03:18:10,880
at the contract prior to the change in
the fiscal year because essentially

2366
03:18:08,560 --> 03:18:15,520
those fees would have been the last
>> between June 1st was it and now

2367
03:18:13,920 --> 03:18:19,760
» July 1st and now.
>> Yeah. Basically in that time period,

2368
03:18:17,439 --> 03:18:23,600
anybody that's signed a contract, they
should, you know, this should apply to

2369
03:18:22,239 --> 03:18:32,080
them now.
>> Okay. And it's so this would actually be

2370
03:18:26,239 --> 03:18:35,760
specifically for events that may uh may
qualify for the reduced community rate

2371
03:18:34,319 --> 03:18:40,359
because that's not something that we
check for in in our initial law.

2372
03:18:40,560 --> 03:18:48,080
» So then would the amendment be different
from that? That's a

2373
03:18:47,200 --> 03:18:54,239
fellow
>> provide all

2374
03:18:50,319 --> 03:19:00,160
events that's scheduled following uh the
new fiscal year the updated rate.

2375
03:18:57,279 --> 03:19:04,880
» So any events that signed a contract for
pay fees on or after July 1st of this

2376
03:19:03,680 --> 03:19:08,600
calendar year
>> we provided the updated

2377
03:19:09,520 --> 03:19:16,160
» right?
>> Yeah they can accept that as a friend

2378
03:19:14,239 --> 03:19:24,720
lane. Did you write that down Tracy?
>> Yes. You said that

2379
03:19:20,640 --> 03:19:28,040
» this further discuss further discussion
please follow.

2380
03:19:28,880 --> 03:19:34,720
» All right. This is to amend the
resolution.

2381
03:19:32,000 --> 03:19:38,319
» I thought it was
>> uh it was a

2382
03:19:36,800 --> 03:19:42,708
» Oh, I'm sorry. To change the the
language

2383
03:19:40,560 --> 03:19:44,720
what we Yeah.
[laughter]

2384
03:19:43,200 --> 03:19:46,160
» Mayor Brown. Yes.
>> Council member Phillips.

2385
03:19:45,840 --> 03:19:47,760
» Yes.
>> Council member Tuska.

2386
03:19:47,279 --> 03:19:49,279
» Yes.
>> Council member Mccleley.

2387
03:19:48,880 --> 03:19:50,640
» Yes.
>> Council member Q.

2388
03:19:50,239 --> 03:19:55,359
» Yes.
>> The amendment carries.

2389
03:19:51,840 --> 03:19:58,359
» Okay. Now we're on the amended schedule
policy.

2390
03:20:03,279 --> 03:20:10,560
» Appreciate the work putting into this.
Thank you

2391
03:20:07,680 --> 03:20:15,279
and arts commission and many staff
today. Thank you. Council member King,

2392
03:20:14,640 --> 03:20:16,399
» yes.
>> Mayor Brown,

2393
03:20:16,000 --> 03:20:17,840
» yes.
>> Council member Fellows,

2394
03:20:17,520 --> 03:20:19,200
» yes.
>> Council member Tusker,

2395
03:20:18,880 --> 03:20:20,880
» yes.
>> Council member McCree,

2396
03:20:20,319 --> 03:20:25,359
» yes.
>> The amended motion carries.

2397
03:20:22,399 --> 03:20:30,080
» Thank you so much. Uh, Council King 204.
>> Quick question about the noise policy,

2398
03:20:28,319 --> 03:20:35,080
the noise permits. Would you prefer to
be noisier earlier or quiet or later?

2399
03:20:35,600 --> 03:20:43,760
» Noisy earlier or quieter later?
>> It also applies to screen closures.

2400
03:20:41,760 --> 03:20:46,560
There is
be your earlier nestled.

2401
03:20:45,600 --> 03:20:53,279
» No.
>> So there the adopted noise permit

2402
03:20:49,600 --> 03:20:56,720
policy. Um so events are required I'm
going from

2403
03:20:54,960 --> 03:21:03,760
» um to
be no more than 76 dB before 10:00 a.m.

2404
03:21:00,640 --> 03:21:08,640
However, after 12 noon they must be
below 80 dB.

2405
03:21:06,720 --> 03:21:12,319
So as you know decibel scale is a
logarithmic uh progression. And so

2406
03:21:11,120 --> 03:21:18,080
there's actually quite a difference
between 76 and 80 in space.

2407
03:21:15,840 --> 03:21:23,920
So we've uh currently effectively
there's a 2hour furniture period.

2408
03:21:22,239 --> 03:21:30,200
» Well actually the underlying noise sort
of put so it's opposite but it is more

2409
03:21:27,200 --> 03:21:30,200
entertaining.

2410
03:21:31,439 --> 03:21:42,574
» So you're saying do we take the decimal
that gap? Do we fill it from the times

2411
03:21:38,160 --> 03:21:44,594
or do we fill it from times
[clears throat]

2412
03:21:46,960 --> 03:21:49,960
» whatever?

2413
03:21:54,560 --> 03:21:59,439
» Yeah.
>> So I think they've already passed the

2414
03:21:58,000 --> 03:22:06,399
motion that have to be a separate
motion. Sorry.

2415
03:22:02,479 --> 03:22:10,960
» You could do that and you did the events
policy. Now we're gonna do parks and

2416
03:22:08,000 --> 03:22:16,239
events fees. Why don't we just do that?
>> So messy

2417
03:22:13,439 --> 03:22:19,239
part of fees
>> is

2418
03:22:20,080 --> 03:22:31,279
by the noise
subject. There's no property challenge.

2419
03:22:27,760 --> 03:22:35,760
» So you want to just have someone you
don't seem like you like that, but is it

2420
03:22:32,800 --> 03:22:39,439
okay if it's okay? It is our council's
council

2421
03:22:37,520 --> 03:22:43,840
» 204.
>> Whereas the city has updated its special

2422
03:22:41,520 --> 03:22:48,560
events policy and whereas the policy
provides a free framework that offsets

2423
03:22:46,080 --> 03:22:53,760
the city's cost of operations and
maintenance related to events held

2424
03:22:50,880 --> 03:22:58,640
within the city. And whereas this policy
also describes a new community events

2425
03:22:56,000 --> 03:23:04,560
policy that provides a reduced rate for
the certain event conforming to the

2426
03:23:01,920 --> 03:23:09,040
specific criteria. And now therefore it
be resolved that the Sandy City Council

2427
03:23:06,720 --> 03:23:15,120
adopts the fee schedule proposed for the
park and events fee schedule as proposed

2428
03:23:12,640 --> 03:23:19,880
and attachment A of the adopted policy
as

2429
03:23:16,880 --> 03:23:19,880
council.

2430
03:23:21,040 --> 03:23:28,880
And that thing we said about
>> Yeah. We want

2431
03:23:24,640 --> 03:23:33,760
» there be it resolved that the noise uh
permit thing will be adjusted.

2432
03:23:31,760 --> 03:23:34,720
» Isn't that right?
>> Yes.

2433
03:23:34,160 --> 03:23:39,439
» Yep.
>> All right. [laughter]

2434
03:23:36,399 --> 03:23:48,239
» So the noise permit policy will um
extend the time period for the 76 decel

2435
03:23:44,880 --> 03:23:54,960
permission to be till 12.
>> Perfect. and getting back in terms of

2436
03:23:52,399 --> 03:23:56,640
» so more quiet time. So more quiet time.
>> Yes,

2437
03:23:55,680 --> 03:23:59,920
» absolutely.
>> I wouldn't call it quiet.

2438
03:23:57,920 --> 03:24:04,000
» Well, couldn't
>> relatively quiet

2439
03:24:01,680 --> 03:24:07,680
» until
the comments or question is is unravel.

2440
03:24:06,880 --> 03:24:10,920
» It is
>> from council.

2441
03:24:11,279 --> 03:24:15,319
» Thank you.
>> Please call the role.

2442
03:24:15,840 --> 03:24:21,359
Yes, member fellows. Uh, yes.
>> Council member Tus.

2443
03:24:20,880 --> 03:24:23,040
» Yes.
>> Council member McCle.

2444
03:24:22,560 --> 03:24:24,960
» Yes.
>> Council member King.

2445
03:24:24,160 --> 03:24:29,920
» Yes.
>> Motion carries.

2446
03:24:25,840 --> 03:24:34,640
» Thank you. Council member King 205.
>> Where the city has updated its special

2447
03:24:32,239 --> 03:24:39,760
events policy. And whereas the policy
provides a a fee framework that offsets

2448
03:24:37,600 --> 03:24:44,479
the city's cost of operations and
maintenance related to events held

2449
03:24:41,680 --> 03:24:49,520
within the city. And whereas this policy
also describes a new community events

2450
03:24:46,720 --> 03:24:54,319
policy that provides a reduced rate for
certain events conforming

2451
03:24:51,920 --> 03:24:57,200
to specific What am I reading the wrong
one?

2452
03:24:56,080 --> 03:25:03,200
» It's the same thing.
>> It's the same thing. It says house.

2453
03:25:01,200 --> 03:25:07,439
The policy also describes a new
community events policy that provides a

2454
03:25:05,279 --> 03:25:12,560
reduced rate for certain events
conforming to specific criteria. And now

2455
03:25:10,720 --> 03:25:17,120
therefore be resolved that the issuing
city council adopts a fee schedule

2456
03:25:15,359 --> 03:25:23,600
proposed for the break house fee
schedule as proposed in attachment B of

2457
03:25:20,560 --> 03:25:23,600
the adopted policy.

2458
03:25:23,840 --> 03:25:26,840
support

2459
03:25:31,120 --> 03:25:37,600
» and they came in a packet in the first
one and so you know I am council member

2460
03:25:35,760 --> 03:25:44,640
you have a question
>> thank you mayor yeah so clarification

2461
03:25:41,840 --> 03:25:47,359
is this fee schedule the same as what we
just passed the

2462
03:25:45,840 --> 03:25:51,760
» no
it's close but it's not the same

2463
03:25:49,920 --> 03:25:57,279
» so which one which one governs.
>> This one governs because it's

2464
03:25:55,279 --> 03:25:59,200
» it amends the
one we did earlier.

2465
03:25:58,319 --> 03:26:02,399
» Exhibit.
>> Y

2466
03:26:00,000 --> 03:26:06,960
» unless you don't pass it.
>> Exactly.

2467
03:26:04,720 --> 03:26:12,720
» I got a don't have it in front of me,
but I got to see that. So, does it cost

2468
03:26:11,200 --> 03:26:18,319
more? Does it cost less?
>> Yes.

2469
03:26:14,960 --> 03:26:23,880
» Exhibit B in the fee schedule. The fee
schedule in the um moment

2470
03:26:23,920 --> 03:26:29,520
» the policy.
>> Okay. And does it also include the

2471
03:26:27,520 --> 03:26:32,880
amendment last?
>> The policy includes that amendment.

2472
03:26:31,040 --> 03:26:37,279
» That amendment dropped it for
nonprofits.

2473
03:26:33,840 --> 03:26:42,960
» Yes and no. So the policy that applies
to special events is the same as the

2474
03:26:39,279 --> 03:26:49,680
policy that applies in the freight house
or community events. So it has to be

2475
03:26:46,160 --> 03:26:54,479
free, open to the public. um if it's a
vendor event then it has to meet certain

2476
03:26:52,000 --> 03:27:01,359
thresholds in order to qualify. We did
attempt to craft it around existing

2477
03:26:56,560 --> 03:27:06,960
events and as far as residency for the
artisans or other vendors we did base

2478
03:27:03,680 --> 03:27:15,040
that on 1978
uh rather than attempt uh

2479
03:27:11,680 --> 03:27:20,560
yeah so let me read that here. So free
to attend free to attend open to the

2480
03:27:18,000 --> 03:27:23,920
public if a vendor based event then 60%
or more vendors are residents or have a

2481
03:27:22,479 --> 03:27:29,359
regular storefront within the city of
the or 80% are within 481 19897 and

2482
03:27:27,760 --> 03:27:34,319
vendors cannot be charged more than 20
an hour to participate

2483
03:27:32,399 --> 03:27:37,920
or aids in one or more of the following
community based goals. More access to

2484
03:27:36,319 --> 03:27:42,239
local parts opportunity for local
artists increases tourism regional or

2485
03:27:39,920 --> 03:27:48,160
global city prevents a variety of
opportunities to the community. I need

2486
03:27:44,080 --> 03:27:53,920
is a offering um and provide who provide
certification opportunities. So this is

2487
03:27:50,640 --> 03:27:58,080
intended to encompass the vast majority
of things that are currently considered

2488
03:27:56,399 --> 03:28:05,520
as
>> there. So

2489
03:28:00,080 --> 03:28:09,840
that I think covers the spirit of what
we had tried to carve out last time.

2490
03:28:08,399 --> 03:28:17,600
» Yeah, that was the attempt
>> and thank you for that and

2491
03:28:13,840 --> 03:28:22,560
Is it also the case then for those that
they would pay 40% of the base?

2492
03:28:20,640 --> 03:28:26,640
» Yes.
>> And so if the event organizer and I want

2493
03:28:25,120 --> 03:28:31,040
to say this applies to both parks and
the fairy house if the event organizer

2494
03:28:28,560 --> 03:28:36,080
is a resident even if that event
organizer is a business. Uh so I've used

2495
03:28:34,080 --> 03:28:42,720
Schultz Outfitters is the perfect
example. Um if Schultz outfitters is

2496
03:28:40,000 --> 03:28:46,560
hosting a class either at Riverside Park
or in Freigh House, they would be

2497
03:28:44,720 --> 03:28:52,160
charged the resident rate as their base
rate because they are historic within

2498
03:28:49,120 --> 03:28:58,080
the city. They are within the city.
>> So the car that you've created

2499
03:28:56,160 --> 03:29:03,359
would be considered more expansive than
the one that we created last time.

2500
03:29:02,160 --> 03:29:07,840
» Yes.
everyone that had been included last

2501
03:29:05,600 --> 03:29:11,920
time would also be subsumed in this and
then there would be additional

2502
03:29:09,920 --> 03:29:15,600
» except for the the cases where we have
nonprofits that have a private event. So

2503
03:29:13,920 --> 03:29:23,399
that usually happens when they have a
fundraiser event or donor appreciation

2504
03:29:19,840 --> 03:29:23,399
something like that.

2505
03:29:26,239 --> 03:29:32,720
So community event would have $150 an
hour, 40% of that and then they would

2506
03:29:31,359 --> 03:29:35,720
have the application fee and the
security

2507
03:29:36,479 --> 03:29:40,040
that would be a

2508
03:29:40,560 --> 03:29:45,479
question for Bonnie.

2509
03:29:45,760 --> 03:29:54,000
» Is application fees the same across all
event applications?

2510
03:29:51,840 --> 03:30:01,279
» They scale up with the complexity of the
event. So something simple like a if I'm

2511
03:29:58,479 --> 03:30:05,920
uh attempting to rent a pavilion, uh
it's very straightforward. I believe

2512
03:30:02,960 --> 03:30:10,479
that's a $10 uh dollar application fee
for the pavilions that do not have

2513
03:30:08,319 --> 03:30:14,319
power. And it is slightly more pavilions
that do have power because there's

2514
03:30:11,840 --> 03:30:17,279
usually back and forth about how much
power is there, where is the power, what

2515
03:30:16,000 --> 03:30:21,520
can you do with power, do you really
want that power, do you want this power,

2516
03:30:19,680 --> 03:30:24,479
uh when do you want to turn, all of that
fun stuff. And then we also have to

2517
03:30:23,040 --> 03:30:28,640
check it to make sure it's actually
optional. So there's more that goes into

2518
03:30:26,239 --> 03:30:36,720
that. Um
and then the application fee then goes

2519
03:30:32,160 --> 03:30:40,399
up for these the events. So that is um
ones where there's more than 50 people

2520
03:30:38,479 --> 03:30:45,920
expected. So that is beyond a simple
pavilion uh or field or amphitheater

2521
03:30:43,920 --> 03:30:51,040
rental. So that's when you're open to
the public expecting more than 50

2522
03:30:47,600 --> 03:30:56,560
people. Um that goes up to a $100
application fee in the parks and then

2523
03:30:53,040 --> 03:31:01,920
the application fee for the
uh great house is almost $100. And that

2524
03:31:00,160 --> 03:31:06,000
reflects the amount of staff time and
effort that goes into the application

2525
03:31:04,239 --> 03:31:10,640
process, making sure that people are
getting what they need, that they

2526
03:31:07,359 --> 03:31:15,200
understand what is uh required of them
and what we do provide. over time with

2527
03:31:13,439 --> 03:31:19,680
this new policy that is quite a bit more
clear that may actually go down. But

2528
03:31:18,000 --> 03:31:24,640
there are events that are very
straightforward. They know what they

2529
03:31:21,120 --> 03:31:29,279
want and bing bang boom, easy peasy. But
there's also events for you to have

2530
03:31:26,239 --> 03:31:32,279
maybe a first time event organizer. Um,
thanks

2531
03:31:52,479 --> 03:32:00,560
from uh noon to 6. And so walking them
through all of the requirements of that

2532
03:31:58,000 --> 03:32:06,080
is sometimes very easy and other times
very challenging. So this is intended to

2533
03:32:03,359 --> 03:32:10,439
reflect the disperate effort in those
events and scales of those events.

2534
03:32:18,880 --> 03:32:21,880
Question

2535
03:32:31,439 --> 03:32:33,920
member Phillips.
>> Yes.

2536
03:32:33,120 --> 03:32:37,439
» Mayor Brown.
>> Yes.

2537
03:32:34,399 --> 03:32:40,760
» Council member Mle. Yes. Council member.
>> Council member.

2538
03:32:42,479 --> 03:32:48,439
Motion carries.
>> Thank you.

2539
03:32:45,120 --> 03:32:48,439
Gio 206.

2540
03:32:49,439 --> 03:32:55,359
» I'm very sorry.
>> So I misspoke when we spoke about

2541
03:32:52,720 --> 03:33:00,239
community events in the freight house. I
apologize. I have a headache this

2542
03:32:56,640 --> 03:33:06,160
evening. So the entire building is not a
black point discount. It is $150 per

2543
03:33:03,200 --> 03:33:11,279
hour. Um,
so

2544
03:33:08,560 --> 03:33:16,880
weekend
per hour for days. So that is not the

2545
03:33:14,000 --> 03:33:21,840
40% discount. It's a actually a little
bit more for weekdays. Um, to

2546
03:33:20,160 --> 03:33:28,680
incentivize those weekday events a
little bit more. It is a

2547
03:33:24,960 --> 03:33:28,680
check here.

2548
03:33:30,560 --> 03:33:40,200
It's exactly 40% discount actually on
the weekends. So, but it applies equally

2549
03:33:36,640 --> 03:33:40,200
to resident economics.

2550
03:33:42,000 --> 03:33:47,520
» Yeah.
>> If I heard correctly, that just doubled

2551
03:33:45,359 --> 03:33:53,040
what I think
>> this is.

2552
03:33:49,520 --> 03:33:59,120
So this is exactly 40%
of

2553
03:33:56,000 --> 03:34:03,279
this resident rate and this is more than
40% off of the resident grant but it

2554
03:34:02,080 --> 03:34:07,600
applies to both resident and
non-resident but this community event is

2555
03:34:05,200 --> 03:34:13,920
its own category. It's in parks where
community event is not its own category

2556
03:34:11,520 --> 03:34:18,960
and it's 80 40% discount. So it's a
better deal

2557
03:34:15,680 --> 03:34:24,800
for the great
40% final 40% discount on this.

2558
03:34:22,560 --> 03:34:30,239
» 40% discount though. It's not a 40%
discount. It was 40% of the 200. That

2559
03:34:28,399 --> 03:34:35,560
was the original
the original fech schedule for

2560
03:34:35,600 --> 03:34:42,319
that we had talked about.
>> Correct. So this one

2561
03:34:38,560 --> 03:34:48,080
» $200 carve out gave it to them 40% of
that which took 200 to 80. If I hear

2562
03:34:45,920 --> 03:34:55,120
what you're saying now, it's been taken
from 80 to 150. It's just double

2563
03:34:53,279 --> 03:35:00,200
» but yeah, slightly less than double, but
it is significantly more

2564
03:34:57,200 --> 03:35:00,200
» points.

2565
03:35:02,880 --> 03:35:05,880
Reconsider.

2566
03:35:06,319 --> 03:35:12,560
» I've never done
>> just move to reconsider. He's on the

2567
03:35:10,080 --> 03:35:15,520
prevailing side. So if anybody
>> support

2568
03:35:13,359 --> 03:35:19,359
» Yeah, support. All right, we move in
support to recons the vote on that.

2569
03:35:18,399 --> 03:35:23,600
Okay,
>> so it's you support by council member

2570
03:35:21,520 --> 03:35:26,479
Tus. Thank you. Please follow the
consideration.

2571
03:35:25,279 --> 03:35:28,239
» Council member Tusen.
>> Yes.

2572
03:35:27,120 --> 03:35:29,840
» Council member Mley.
>> Yes.

2573
03:35:28,720 --> 03:35:33,200
» Council member King.
>> And this is just to have a conversation,

2574
03:35:31,439 --> 03:35:36,880
but I know it's no questions. I guess I
just say yes.

2575
03:35:34,319 --> 03:35:38,239
» You're correct.
>> Mayor Brown.

2576
03:35:37,840 --> 03:35:40,160
» Yes.
>> Council member Phelips.

2577
03:35:39,439 --> 03:35:43,520
» Yes.
>> We will now reconsider the motion.

2578
03:35:41,840 --> 03:35:49,680
» All right. Thank you. Okay. So, it's
back on the table.

2579
03:35:46,160 --> 03:35:55,760
Um, as I was
that I was like, "Yep,

2580
03:35:52,960 --> 03:36:04,960
» yeah, this this is
fairly tricky." Um, I mean, my goal is

2581
03:36:00,479 --> 03:36:10,399
is to create no one who was a net loser
from what we thought we passed.

2582
03:36:08,479 --> 03:36:14,239
What? Two weeks ago, three weeks ago,
whenever we last voted,

2583
03:36:12,640 --> 03:36:21,880
U
and for that carve out group

2584
03:36:17,279 --> 03:36:21,880
it was 40% of $200.

2585
03:36:22,160 --> 03:36:26,040
That makes that's $80.

2586
03:36:27,120 --> 03:36:32,160
» Nobody signed at that rate.
>> I'm sorry.

2587
03:36:30,399 --> 03:36:34,800
» Nobody has signed at that rate.
>> We're waiting for the rate to come

2588
03:36:33,279 --> 03:36:38,640
through.
>> So that rate went into effect on pass

2589
03:36:38,080 --> 03:36:42,720
that
>> we didn't pass it. There was no there

2590
03:36:40,560 --> 03:36:47,880
was amendment to something that we could
pass

2591
03:36:44,880 --> 03:36:47,880
back

2592
03:36:51,120 --> 03:36:56,359
» but this was this information in the
packet.

2593
03:36:56,800 --> 03:37:04,399
» Yeah. What's being discussed?
>> So it was the fee schedule was never

2594
03:37:02,000 --> 03:37:13,120
passed the 40% would have been on the
old fe structure what that was.

2595
03:37:08,800 --> 03:37:21,359
But if the intent is to have that be 40%
of 15 is that is the intent to be. So

2596
03:37:17,600 --> 03:37:26,479
our baseline cost to have somebody staff
the freight house to ensure that it is

2597
03:37:23,359 --> 03:37:32,239
open is around
$35 an hour. Um and actually more than

2598
03:37:30,319 --> 03:37:38,080
that. So that's just straight up staff
cost them about $20 an hour plus

2599
03:37:36,399 --> 03:37:43,920
etc. So
>> payers

2600
03:37:40,640 --> 03:37:47,920
» well it's either
>> Yeah.

2601
03:37:46,479 --> 03:37:54,399
» Yeah.
>> You know rough a rough would be to

2602
03:37:51,120 --> 03:37:59,720
modify that 150 by
by 50%.

2603
03:37:56,239 --> 03:37:59,720
We're just slow%.

2604
03:38:09,040 --> 03:38:16,319
» I I don't think my question was directly
about that. It was about was why is it

2605
03:38:13,760 --> 03:38:20,479
the same for resident and non-resident?
That is one of my question.

2606
03:38:19,840 --> 03:38:25,920
» It's not
>> it's not one is resident city employee

2607
03:38:23,040 --> 03:38:30,560
and the last role is non-resident.
And then there's three different

2608
03:38:28,399 --> 03:38:32,399
» the security deposits are the same
though.

2609
03:38:31,680 --> 03:38:35,760
» So the first
>> So which one should I be living on? I

2610
03:38:34,239 --> 03:38:39,200
have it printed out. I just want to look
at it because I thought when you went

2611
03:38:38,080 --> 03:38:44,359
over there that's what you said.
>> Page 474.

2612
03:38:41,359 --> 03:38:44,359
So

2613
03:38:54,319 --> 03:38:57,479
» the previous

2614
03:39:07,680 --> 03:39:13,359
» And it was based on but it was based on
a bigger number, right?$200.

2615
03:39:11,680 --> 03:39:17,120
at that time, but
>> it was

2616
03:39:14,720 --> 03:39:20,600
» so
that you pay.

2617
03:39:28,960 --> 03:39:37,479
» Yeah, they want you to go back and
>> she was just doing it over there. Yeah.

2618
03:39:38,319 --> 03:39:43,439
» Okay. What is the outcome that we're
looking for?

2619
03:39:41,120 --> 03:39:45,439
» So, if the intent is that you want them
to pay

2620
03:39:44,960 --> 03:39:49,680
» $80
>> 40% discount, was it a 40% discount or

2621
03:39:48,399 --> 03:39:54,160
you want to pay $80?
>> It was it was $80.

2622
03:39:52,160 --> 03:39:58,960
Just say that
>> 80. And could [clears throat] the

2623
03:39:55,520 --> 03:40:03,520
community events would be for any one
means a community event doesn't matter

2624
03:40:01,120 --> 03:40:09,560
if they're resident or not. So, Yep. And
so, as long as it aligns with community

2625
03:40:05,200 --> 03:40:09,560
of the policy as previously stated.

2626
03:40:10,479 --> 03:40:17,000
» So I move that the 150 be modified to
eight supported

2627
03:40:17,920 --> 03:40:25,600
by council member.
Might I suggest also so the 80 is the

2628
03:40:23,200 --> 03:40:31,520
weekend rate.
If you would like to review the day rate

2629
03:40:27,840 --> 03:40:34,520
as well that is 75 per
events.

2630
03:40:34,720 --> 03:40:40,040
So there's not a huge difference between
the two right now.

2631
03:40:42,319 --> 03:40:46,640
» I don't want I don't want to confuse
things. So

2632
03:40:45,760 --> 03:40:52,080
» okay, we're
>> already confused.

2633
03:40:47,680 --> 03:40:57,359
» Yeah. So the motion is just to decrease
community events for the entire building

2634
03:40:54,560 --> 03:41:01,040
weekend from 150 to $8,
>> right?

2635
03:40:58,080 --> 03:41:05,520
» Per hour, right?
>> Okay. Council follows for the amendment

2636
03:41:04,160 --> 03:41:11,760
or you guys have
>> uh I mean I was just going to bring up

2637
03:41:07,760 --> 03:41:18,640
that is two separate categories. Um
and by reducing the rate um I do

2638
03:41:15,760 --> 03:41:24,479
understand the incentivizing weekdays
versus weekends. And so

2639
03:41:22,560 --> 03:41:30,399
I don't know, I could imagine it being
like $100 for weekend

2640
03:41:27,920 --> 03:41:35,040
or $100 an hour for weekend booking and
75 for weekday.

2641
03:41:32,880 --> 03:41:40,640
But
yeah, either of these months are fine

2642
03:41:37,760 --> 03:41:45,520
with me.
>> Because right now it would be at 90

2643
03:41:42,479 --> 03:41:51,600
which is only about $10 more.
>> No, it would be at 150.

2644
03:41:48,640 --> 03:41:56,080
It's currently at 150.
>> No, I have it right here. So, it's 150,

2645
03:41:54,800 --> 03:42:00,000
» but I thought it Well, where are we
getting the minus 40% from?

2646
03:41:58,160 --> 03:42:05,840
» So, that's not that was just what was
brought up in the last meeting as um the

2647
03:42:02,880 --> 03:42:11,439
request, but now the the amendment is to
just move that 150 to $80 an hour.

2648
03:42:09,040 --> 03:42:17,439
» And so, that would make it only $5 more
than what it is from weekday to week.

2649
03:42:14,880 --> 03:42:22,479
Right.
And that is sensitive modification.

2650
03:42:20,640 --> 03:42:28,160
» Mayor, I have no objection to to
somebody modifying the $75.

2651
03:42:25,920 --> 03:42:34,239
» There is there is
>> it's a community event. There is it does

2652
03:42:30,239 --> 03:42:39,040
incentivize resident and employee and
then non-resident. So if we're looking

2653
03:42:36,640 --> 03:42:44,640
at the community event, yeah, it's $5
cheaper, but

2654
03:42:41,600 --> 03:42:49,920
lot of community events on weekdays. So
we want to direct more community events

2655
03:42:47,040 --> 03:42:55,200
to the weekdays to see more utilization
of great house overall and more foot

2656
03:42:52,640 --> 03:43:02,080
traffic into town
as well.

2657
03:42:57,439 --> 03:43:06,160
» Well, but I still think 75 is still a
good rate to incentivize someone who was

2658
03:43:04,399 --> 03:43:09,680
afraid officer. I mean, I don't think
that

2659
03:43:07,120 --> 03:43:13,920
» Yeah, I don't think that would be
deter folks. I think this is that would

2660
03:43:11,439 --> 03:43:17,199
make it
Yeah.

2661
03:43:15,680 --> 03:43:23,520
Sorry.
>> I want to make sure that you guys get

2662
03:43:20,000 --> 03:43:29,680
what you want in one shot preferably so
we never have to see each other again.

2663
03:43:27,279 --> 03:43:34,720
» Maybe not quite so.
>> So, we have an amendment on the floor.

2664
03:43:31,520 --> 03:43:38,399
It's about weekends only um to move it
to $80. Is there further discussion on

2665
03:43:36,640 --> 03:43:46,359
the amendment? Council member Fellows. I
guess my question is just for like why

2666
03:43:40,319 --> 03:43:46,359
$80? Why not like $100?

2667
03:43:47,199 --> 03:43:53,279
» My answer.
>> Yes, of course.

2668
03:43:49,439 --> 03:43:58,160
» Because what we passed last time was 40%
of 200 equals 80. That's exactly where

2669
03:43:55,920 --> 03:44:08,359
the 80 comes from.
As I remember it, it was 40% off. So,

2670
03:44:03,840 --> 03:44:08,359
I have it actually.

2671
03:44:11,600 --> 03:44:14,600
Okay.

2672
03:44:23,840 --> 03:44:35,600
For me, I'm also looking at it as
150 and the weekday is half of that 75.

2673
03:44:32,160 --> 03:44:43,279
So to drop that to 80 again, Bonnie
spoke about how much per hour

2674
03:44:39,279 --> 03:44:48,479
we pay someone to be in a building.
How would how would that look if we

2675
03:44:45,199 --> 03:44:54,000
drive it to 80? And I do think I don't
know. I think 80

2676
03:44:50,800 --> 03:44:59,560
is too low for the for the weekend.
That's one of our prime spaces here in

2677
03:44:56,399 --> 03:44:59,560
the city.

2678
03:44:59,920 --> 03:45:05,920
And I mean, I think the other part to
consider is that it's only for the

2679
03:45:03,359 --> 03:45:10,160
community events, not for the other two,
>> right?

2680
03:45:06,479 --> 03:45:13,359
» Um groups of uses.
Uh, and so it would have to meet those

2681
03:45:11,840 --> 03:45:17,680
criteria for it to be considered in
community event. So that already kind of

2682
03:45:14,880 --> 03:45:24,399
wields it down to what it it could be.
Um, I am fine with somewhere between 80

2683
03:45:21,520 --> 03:45:29,520
and $100. I I can't make any notions. I
think um when I was looking at this

2684
03:45:27,600 --> 03:45:35,840
initially and I saw you know that the
weekdays were half of the weekends, I

2685
03:45:31,760 --> 03:45:42,479
felt like a a greater um
you know range between the two did

2686
03:45:38,160 --> 03:45:47,040
incentivize the I get um incentivize it
a little bit more. Um but I am not I I

2687
03:45:45,439 --> 03:45:50,000
don't want to fight about this. I think
that we want people to use the freight

2688
03:45:48,319 --> 03:45:54,000
house. We want these events to happen
and as long as we are covering the cause

2689
03:45:51,840 --> 03:46:01,199
of what it requires to open the doors, I
think that is enough for me.

2690
03:45:57,920 --> 03:46:04,720
We have an amendment on the floor.
So,

2691
03:46:02,319 --> 03:46:10,960
» is that enough? Was that enough or is
that only the $35? Is that the cost?

2692
03:46:08,000 --> 03:46:13,960
That is the absolute hard floor at which
we

2693
03:46:14,160 --> 03:46:25,520
should not go in for that covers just
the cost of somebody being open

2694
03:46:21,760 --> 03:46:28,800
and to uh attend the event and be
available in case

2695
03:46:26,880 --> 03:46:29,920
» because they're at the event the entire
time.

2696
03:46:29,359 --> 03:46:33,520
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

2697
03:46:31,199 --> 03:46:36,000
» So I would say I would adjust it to 100
at least.

2698
03:46:34,640 --> 03:46:40,720
» Well, we have an amendment on the board
right now for 80. So we need to

2699
03:46:39,199 --> 03:46:49,120
vote on that.
>> Would you consider changements at 100?

2700
03:46:44,960 --> 03:46:53,840
» Okay. So then we'll we'll call the RO
>> on the amendment.

2701
03:46:50,479 --> 03:46:55,439
» Yes. On the amendment for $80 a month.
>> Council member McCle.

2702
03:46:54,960 --> 03:46:57,840
» Yes.
>> Council member King.

2703
03:46:56,640 --> 03:47:01,160
» No.
>> Mayor Brown.

2704
03:47:01,920 --> 03:47:05,439
» Yes.
>> Council member Fellows.

2705
03:47:04,640 --> 03:47:09,840
» Yes.
>> Council member Tusa. Yes,

2706
03:47:07,760 --> 03:47:15,880
» the motion the amendment carries.
>> Okay, so we are on the amended schedule

2707
03:47:12,880 --> 03:47:15,880
again.

2708
03:47:16,239 --> 03:47:21,359
» Further discussion on this is now
attempted.

2709
03:47:20,399 --> 03:47:26,800
» Thank you.
>> Quick question.

2710
03:47:23,680 --> 03:47:30,560
» It's the same question.
>> What's the same question?

2711
03:47:28,560 --> 03:47:35,279
» So it just depends on the event and
nobody can't technically answer because

2712
03:47:32,560 --> 03:47:39,680
it depends on how long the event is. So
if the event is longer than four hours,

2713
03:47:38,000 --> 03:47:42,680
the fee will not even cover that
employee.

2714
03:47:42,800 --> 03:47:50,479
» 75 per hour. An hour. Okay. Okay.
>> Per hour. So yeah, it'll be covered.

2715
03:47:47,359 --> 03:47:54,160
» It'll be
>> So again, I do want to emphasize we're

2716
03:47:52,560 --> 03:47:57,279
not really covering a lot of our
maintenance costs. We're not covering

2717
03:47:55,520 --> 03:48:02,600
our capital costs, but we are covering
the absolute direct operational costs.

2718
03:48:03,680 --> 03:48:11,760
Just just to clarify, so as that is an
hourly rate, so somebody that rents the

2719
03:48:10,000 --> 03:48:12,720
the freight house for 10 hours, pay
$800.

2720
03:48:12,399 --> 03:48:17,239
» Yes.
>> Not a small fee.

2721
03:48:13,680 --> 03:48:17,239
» No, not at all.

2722
03:48:17,600 --> 03:48:25,960
» Okay. Anything further [clears throat]
from council?

2723
03:48:22,560 --> 03:48:25,960
Who's call?

2724
03:48:26,720 --> 03:48:29,680
» Mayor Brown.
>> Yes.

2725
03:48:28,479 --> 03:48:31,840
» Council member Fellows.
>> Yes. Council member Tusen,

2726
03:48:31,279 --> 03:48:33,600
» yes.
>> Council member McClean,

2727
03:48:32,880 --> 03:48:37,680
» yes.
>> Council member King,

2728
03:48:35,600 --> 03:48:42,439
» yes. The motion carries.
>> Thank you.

2729
03:48:38,720 --> 03:48:42,439
» Um, it is 1051.

2730
03:48:49,199 --> 03:48:52,199
» All right.

2731
03:48:52,640 --> 03:48:58,880
» All right. Okay. Resolved by the council
of the city of Salani. Whereas the city

2732
03:48:56,080 --> 03:49:02,640
awarded a contract to OHM for
professional engineering services. The

2733
03:49:00,399 --> 03:49:06,800
payment or construction of Cornell Road
Avenue to Bor Trail just south of Mahu.

2734
03:49:05,040 --> 03:49:10,640
And whereas after soliciting neighbor
feedback, the city wishes to amend the

2735
03:49:08,479 --> 03:49:13,760
design to include roundabouts. Now
therefore be it resolved that the city

2736
03:49:12,080 --> 03:49:18,720
of Saleni city council approves an
amendment to the contract with OM to add

2737
03:49:16,720 --> 03:49:22,960
additional design survey and permitting
services in the not to exceed amount of

2738
03:49:21,359 --> 03:49:29,120
38,200
bringing the new total to 278760.

2739
03:49:27,279 --> 03:49:32,000
Um be further resolved that the mayor
and city clerk are authorized to sign

2740
03:49:30,640 --> 03:49:35,680
this contract. The amendment is subject
to the approval of the city youth

2741
03:49:33,040 --> 03:49:39,840
attorney and any changes change orders
may be approved by the city manager to

2742
03:49:37,199 --> 03:49:42,840
facilitate completion of this work and I
>> support

2743
03:49:46,880 --> 03:49:53,279
roundabouts is perhaps a misnomer and I
apologize for that. Technically traffic

2744
03:49:51,120 --> 03:49:56,560
circles would be exactly the same. TV
time,

2745
03:49:55,040 --> 03:50:01,040
the typical teeny tiny. So, it's not
going to be at the scale that you think

2746
03:49:58,239 --> 03:50:06,160
of when you think about roundabouts. Um,
you may or may not think of them like

2747
03:50:03,199 --> 03:50:12,399
what you see up at Gettys Superior or at
state andor. These are single lane uh

2748
03:50:09,600 --> 03:50:17,680
traffic circles uh that you may see more
have seen over in neighborhoods in Ann

2749
03:50:14,160 --> 03:50:24,479
Arbor. Um they are intended to calm
traffic and to facilitate traffic. So uh

2750
03:50:22,239 --> 03:50:30,479
these would be in lie of stop signs at
several intersections but they do

2751
03:50:27,680 --> 03:50:34,640
overall have a significant effect upon
how

2752
03:50:32,000 --> 03:50:40,800
traffic and compliance with speed
limits. They do also serve to define the

2753
03:50:37,600 --> 03:50:49,399
amber as far as a maintenance and
operational uh impact. they do have

2754
03:50:46,399 --> 03:50:49,399
uh

2755
03:50:49,600 --> 03:50:54,640
I don't want to say a positive impact
upon maintenance because of course any

2756
03:50:52,880 --> 03:50:58,880
additional or different infrastructure
does require more maintenance but in

2757
03:50:56,479 --> 03:51:04,319
scale of things from
uh no intervention to

2758
03:51:02,880 --> 03:51:10,560
not throwing absolutely everything in
the book including speed home speed

2759
03:51:06,080 --> 03:51:16,160
tables and uh bumpouts these are a lot
easier to work around and through for

2760
03:51:12,720 --> 03:51:21,479
things like snow removal and even for
salt water because they work with the

2761
03:51:17,600 --> 03:51:21,479
natural crown of the road.

2762
03:51:28,080 --> 03:51:37,920
Um,
it it seems like we might run out of

2763
03:51:32,880 --> 03:51:44,160
time before you voting on this, which um
I was actually probably going to suggest

2764
03:51:40,160 --> 03:51:50,319
we table this anyway because
um I've been getting a lot of feedback

2765
03:51:46,720 --> 03:51:56,239
from residents on Cornell
uh who were really not satisfied with

2766
03:51:52,960 --> 03:52:00,720
the public input session. Um,
unfortunately, uh, I've been told by

2767
03:51:59,279 --> 03:52:07,279
more than a few people that they felt
unheard by staff. Um,

2768
03:52:04,399 --> 03:52:13,680
and so I think we need another input
session

2769
03:52:08,800 --> 03:52:16,960
um to for me to feel like
any sort of plan moving forward would

2770
03:52:15,359 --> 03:52:24,720
make sense because I just got such
negative feedback about it. And

2771
03:52:21,279 --> 03:52:29,520
I am wondering about the traffic circle
idea. It seems kind of unconventional

2772
03:52:27,120 --> 03:52:34,319
for a residential neighborhood. So it's
actually pretty popular right now. Um

2773
03:52:32,000 --> 03:52:38,399
there are lots and lots of Ann Arbor.
We're seeing more of them in Pittsfield

2774
03:52:35,840 --> 03:52:43,600
Township and even road commission roads.
Um so it would be brand new in its but

2775
03:52:41,359 --> 03:52:49,120
they're not
new and they are broadly accepted in

2776
03:52:46,880 --> 03:52:55,920
other factories as well. I'm not saying
I'm full I can be convinced. I'm just

2777
03:52:51,760 --> 03:53:01,199
like it is new. And I I did hear one
resident ask for traffic circles, but

2778
03:52:58,720 --> 03:53:08,239
that was just resident. Most residents I
was hearing from want more um access to

2779
03:53:06,000 --> 03:53:13,120
cross Cornell Street. So like better
pedestrian

2780
03:53:09,840 --> 03:53:18,399
access. Um especially with the you know
some of the crosswalks are not visually

2781
03:53:16,640 --> 03:53:22,720
safe because of the hill.
>> Yeah.

2782
03:53:18,800 --> 03:53:27,120
» Um yeah so we are um all concepts
included an improved crossing at

2783
03:53:24,479 --> 03:53:30,479
Whitmire uh for Whitmire I should say
but it's a little bit up the hill from

2784
03:53:28,640 --> 03:53:35,760
Whitmire proper to address some of those
visual concerns and then it's a raised

2785
03:53:32,239 --> 03:53:40,720
crosswalk as well. Yeah, it came up just
to um just to point out that through our

2786
03:53:38,720 --> 03:53:45,359
federal funding, we have to have another
public meeting for roundabouts

2787
03:53:42,560 --> 03:53:50,000
specifically. So, that has to be done or
else MDOT won't even permit us or draw

2788
03:53:47,520 --> 03:53:54,720
too big for this. So, we did um budget
that we're going to have some public

2789
03:53:51,439 --> 03:53:57,680
input to specifically for a roundabout,
not about not even about traffic homing

2790
03:53:56,399 --> 03:54:01,279
or anything else, but if you're
proposing a roundabout, but getting

2791
03:53:59,120 --> 03:54:05,720
these LAP funds, you have to do that.
So, I just wanted to point that

2792
03:54:06,399 --> 03:54:11,439
» because they they can be squirrely, you
know, they're they're new, so

2793
03:54:10,399 --> 03:54:15,840
» polarizing.
>> Yes.

2794
03:54:12,880 --> 03:54:15,840
» Yes.

2795
03:54:17,920 --> 03:54:20,920
discussion.

2796
03:54:23,120 --> 03:54:30,160
» I mean, I would propose that this
waits until we get another public input

2797
03:54:28,479 --> 03:54:37,359
that's not just specifically about the
roundabout, but um that there's a little

2798
03:54:33,439 --> 03:54:40,479
bit more outreach to residents so that
because it's going to be a major

2799
03:54:38,479 --> 03:54:45,040
project, full reconstruct, right? So,
>> if we want to do it in 2027, we should

2800
03:54:43,199 --> 03:54:49,120
proceed.
>> Um, I'm not going to operate under

2801
03:54:47,279 --> 03:54:54,000
urgency like that. I think there's
enough um negative input from residents

2802
03:54:51,279 --> 03:54:57,120
that we should take it seriously and I'm
sorry to bring that news, but you know,

2803
03:54:55,520 --> 03:55:01,040
I can miss this neighborhood very
heavily. So, I know pretty well like the

2804
03:54:59,600 --> 03:55:07,520
level of dissatisfaction that's going
on. So, and you propose that we um visit

2805
03:55:04,960 --> 03:55:13,080
this for next
meeting uh so we can get input session

2806
03:55:14,960 --> 03:55:21,080
motion.
>> Yeah, I move to do that.

2807
03:55:25,120 --> 03:55:29,880
» Okay, I support I need a I have a
question.

2808
03:55:30,640 --> 03:55:34,520
the table that there is no

2809
03:55:36,000 --> 03:55:41,040
» right.
Council member Fellows.

2810
03:55:40,399 --> 03:55:43,040
» Yes.
>> Council member Tusen.

2811
03:55:42,160 --> 03:55:45,439
» No.
>> Council member McClean.

2812
03:55:44,560 --> 03:55:49,000
» No.
>> Council member King.

2813
03:55:50,800 --> 03:55:54,880
» Okay.
>> Mayor Brown.

2814
03:55:53,600 --> 03:56:00,199
» No.
>> Council member King.

2815
03:55:57,199 --> 03:56:00,199
No.

2816
03:56:01,120 --> 03:56:04,920
» Will that table go?

2817
03:56:07,279 --> 03:56:14,080
» Further discussion.
All right. Please call the rules.

2818
03:56:13,199 --> 03:56:15,680
» Mayor R.
>> Yes.

2819
03:56:14,560 --> 03:56:17,439
» Council member Fels,
>> no.

2820
03:56:16,319 --> 03:56:19,359
» Council member Tusson,
>> yes.

2821
03:56:18,239 --> 03:56:21,279
» Council member McCree,
>> yes.

2822
03:56:19,840 --> 03:56:23,359
» Council member King,
>> yes.

2823
03:56:22,000 --> 03:56:27,199
» Motion carries.
>> Thank you.

2824
03:56:25,120 --> 03:56:32,199
» There does need to be more in
to extend

2825
03:56:29,199 --> 03:56:32,199
» 11:15.

2826
03:56:35,359 --> 03:56:42,840
» If you're going to do it, please do it.
>> All in favor till 11:15.

2827
03:56:43,520 --> 03:56:46,920
» All in favor?

2828
03:56:48,000 --> 03:56:53,479
I
>> Okay.

2829
03:56:58,800 --> 03:57:03,600
by the council of city of SL where
underground storage tanks US at both the

2830
03:57:02,399 --> 03:57:07,279
public works and the fire department
fueling stations are experiencing vapor

2831
03:57:05,120 --> 03:57:11,279
lock when employees are trying to refuel
vehicles and whereas the industry

2832
03:57:08,720 --> 03:57:15,840
standard solution is hurting the suction
system to a submersible turbine pump and

2833
03:57:14,000 --> 03:57:19,439
the vapor locking issue does not occur
with submersible turbine pumps. Whereas

2834
03:57:18,239 --> 03:57:22,640
the city's fuel management and
monitoring equipment is in need of

2835
03:57:20,800 --> 03:57:26,479
upgrades which would optimize efficiency
and accuracy in fuel management tracking

2836
03:57:24,560 --> 03:57:30,479
and reporting. Now therefore we have
resolved that the city of landing city

2837
03:57:28,880 --> 03:57:34,880
council awards contract for underground
storage tank pump conversion and

2838
03:57:32,479 --> 03:57:41,040
upgrades to the key reader at DEW and
upgrading the DW fired beater root

2839
03:57:38,239 --> 03:57:45,080
monitoring systems to RW first serve in
the total amount of 73,638

2840
03:57:45,120 --> 03:57:48,120
» support.

2841
03:57:51,199 --> 03:58:00,840
So point of personalization I don't feel
well so I'm going to leave. Does that do

2842
03:57:55,279 --> 03:58:00,840
we have a form? Okay fine

2843
03:58:05,439 --> 03:58:09,960
questions from council advice.

2844
03:58:14,239 --> 03:58:19,840
Okay.
Follow up, please.

2845
03:58:18,800 --> 03:58:22,080
» Council member McClean,
>> yes.

2846
03:58:20,319 --> 03:58:24,080
» Council member King,
>> yes.

2847
03:58:23,279 --> 03:58:26,000
» Mayor Bre,
>> yes.

2848
03:58:24,800 --> 03:58:27,520
» Council member Tus,
>> yes.

2849
03:58:26,560 --> 03:58:32,840
» Motion carries.
>> Thank you, Council King. 208.

2850
03:58:41,840 --> 03:58:51,359
» I'll be back. Oh, you can't.
>> Yeah.

2851
03:58:48,399 --> 03:58:54,359
» Yeah. Might we have a recess for one
minute?

2852
03:58:57,120 --> 03:59:00,359
» Two minutes.

2853
03:59:00,560 --> 03:59:08,880
» Stretch
these last week. Those

2854
03:59:05,680 --> 03:59:12,279
statements receive
the next meeting.

2855
04:01:08,640 --> 04:01:16,520
We're back. Okay.
>> Um, council member King.

2856
04:01:18,960 --> 04:01:27,520
» Okay. So, we are accepting and filing
the appeal of Alex Alexander Monroe

2857
04:01:24,960 --> 04:01:30,520
today. I'm
>> support

2858
04:01:31,520 --> 04:01:39,920
accepting the appeal acknowledging its
receipt and then

2859
04:01:35,359 --> 04:01:43,760
» uh formal motion regarding PQR will be
>> ruled upon at the next meeting.

2860
04:01:41,359 --> 04:01:45,600
» Okay. Is that good? Because you said
that you have a microphone.

2861
04:01:45,120 --> 04:01:46,880
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

2862
04:01:46,000 --> 04:01:50,880
» All right.
>> So we accept

2863
04:01:48,960 --> 04:01:53,040
a ruling will happen for the following
meeting. The next meeting. Okay. Thank

2864
04:01:52,479 --> 04:01:57,040
you.
>> Just get the next agenda.

2865
04:01:54,880 --> 04:02:00,160
» All right. Thank you so much. Um,
>> fireworks.

2866
04:01:58,000 --> 04:02:04,239
» How's my thing? You have our last
resolution.

2867
04:02:01,120 --> 04:02:08,160
» See, I have two of them here based on I
have 191 and 192. Which one would you

2868
04:02:06,960 --> 04:02:11,120
like me to read first?
>> Uh, 191.

2869
04:02:10,720 --> 04:02:14,720
» Okay.
>> Right. Yes.

2870
04:02:12,479 --> 04:02:19,680
» Is that right?
>> All right. Whereas the city of Italy has

2871
04:02:17,120 --> 04:02:26,160
received a request from Ace Pyro LLC for
a pyroch permit for fireworks displays

2872
04:02:21,840 --> 04:02:32,880
on August 29th, September 4th or 26th,
October [clears throat] 17th and 24th,

2873
04:02:28,880 --> 04:02:36,000
2026 said right here stadium 799 North
Road, Eastern Michigan University and

2874
04:02:34,479 --> 04:02:40,000
where the fire department will require
certain inspections. Now therefore be

2875
04:02:37,680 --> 04:02:44,399
resolved by the council city of SL that
the pyro technic permit is approved for

2876
04:02:41,920 --> 04:02:47,520
ace pyro LLC subject to approval by the
fire department. So

2877
04:02:45,760 --> 04:02:54,800
» support by council member Clint
supported by council member two.

2878
04:02:50,800 --> 04:02:59,120
Um we have uh Chris Pavas here from
Pyro. That's

2879
04:02:55,680 --> 04:03:04,239
» hi Chris. Thank so late. Sorry.
>> Good evening. I get it. I get it.

2880
04:03:01,439 --> 04:03:11,520
» I it was pulled off for a couple of u I
think questions. Um, I we get this every

2881
04:03:08,800 --> 04:03:14,880
year. Uh, so I don't know if we need a a
lean in right now, but I do have a

2882
04:03:13,439 --> 04:03:20,319
question about the highlighted quote at
the top. Can you just explain when it

2883
04:03:18,000 --> 04:03:24,560
says EMU has removed the audible effect
fireworks for their football games? What

2884
04:03:22,000 --> 04:03:31,600
does that mean? The audible enhanced
effect is um formerly we had a what we

2885
04:03:29,920 --> 04:03:37,439
call in the firework industry a salute
go off with each touchdown uh at the

2886
04:03:34,479 --> 04:03:42,160
direction of EMU and concern last uh
over the past years from city council.

2887
04:03:39,199 --> 04:03:47,040
We decided to remove that aerial salute.
So now after each touchdown uh there

2888
04:03:45,040 --> 04:03:52,239
would only be what's called a mine where
it's just um sparks that shoot up from

2889
04:03:50,160 --> 04:03:59,680
the ground. Uh it is still considered a
firework uh but it is more of a whoosh

2890
04:03:55,279 --> 04:04:02,479
noise versus your typical uh just salute
in the sky.

2891
04:04:01,359 --> 04:04:09,760
» Okay.
>> Is that um

2892
04:04:05,600 --> 04:04:12,479
the the cannon? Does that still happen?
>> We are not

2893
04:04:11,120 --> 04:04:18,080
» Yeah, we're not affiliated with the
cannon. Uh I do have Will Stitilus. I

2894
04:04:15,439 --> 04:04:21,840
think he's on uh from the university.
He's the assistant athletic director for

2895
04:04:19,680 --> 04:04:25,680
marketing. So if he's if he's here, he
could speak to that.

2896
04:04:23,040 --> 04:04:29,120
» Oh, okay. Thank you.
>> Hi, Will.

2897
04:04:27,359 --> 04:04:32,319
» Hello everyone. All right, here on the
call.

2898
04:04:30,080 --> 04:04:36,560
» Thanks for hanging out so late.
>> No problem. Apprec appreciate you guys'

2899
04:04:34,160 --> 04:04:39,600
time.
>> Um,

2900
04:04:37,680 --> 04:04:43,920
» as it relates to the Cannon, that is
something that is a related to like our

2901
04:04:41,520 --> 04:04:49,920
ROC program and is a tradition on game
days. Uh typically it's fired off after

2902
04:04:46,960 --> 04:04:53,680
touchdowns, but uh obviously with the
timing of our games, it runs a little

2903
04:04:51,600 --> 04:04:57,199
bit, but we are conscientious and we do
note the 10 o'clock time frame that we

2904
04:04:55,520 --> 04:05:00,800
do work with on that and make sure that
is communicated to all parties related

2905
04:04:58,880 --> 04:05:04,160
to games.
>> And yes, I wasn't saying it to say I was

2906
04:05:02,560 --> 04:05:09,120
against I just wanted to clarify the
difference between the the pyro and the

2907
04:05:06,800 --> 04:05:12,120
» Yep. Yeah, those are two separate
entities.

2908
04:05:14,080 --> 04:05:23,439
Thank you, mayor. Yeah, and for the for
those staying with us uh on the line, I

2909
04:05:20,640 --> 04:05:29,520
appreciate you doing that. Um no, I'm
the one that pulled this off of the

2910
04:05:25,359 --> 04:05:35,199
consent agenda. Um, and I would say
independent of this particular item on

2911
04:05:32,720 --> 04:05:41,520
the agenda, uh, I have received
repeatedly

2912
04:05:36,960 --> 04:05:46,960
questions, comments, pleadings from,
um, members of the community, uh, all of

2913
04:05:43,680 --> 04:05:52,880
them coming from College Heights, um,
who have made

2914
04:05:48,960 --> 04:05:59,840
broader, uh, points about the amount of
noise, uh, the decel level. Um, I think

2915
04:05:56,640 --> 04:06:06,479
it also the carrying that some may have
something to do with all the um

2916
04:06:03,680 --> 04:06:10,880
trees that have been masquered by DTE.
Um,

2917
04:06:08,960 --> 04:06:20,080
but there's there's some real concerns
and and my interest is I hope that

2918
04:06:16,319 --> 04:06:26,800
having this conversation spark of
dialogue with the community about

2919
04:06:23,600 --> 04:06:33,040
how late we do things, uh, how often we
do things, uh, that make a lot of noise

2920
04:06:29,760 --> 04:06:37,279
and that scare pets and that keep people
from being able to put their kids to

2921
04:06:34,319 --> 04:06:43,359
bed. and uh and generally make it
difficult uh for those also veterans. Um

2922
04:06:41,199 --> 04:06:50,080
I've had broader other conversations
about fireworks in general um and

2923
04:06:46,640 --> 04:06:55,920
continue to hear people uh who just
don't like them and and the noise is the

2924
04:06:52,080 --> 04:07:04,319
main the main issue. So, as I told the
mayor, I I'm not looking to rain on

2925
04:06:59,040 --> 04:07:10,640
anybody's parade here. not looking to uh
not have this happen this year. Um I had

2926
04:07:07,920 --> 04:07:17,840
planned to vote no just simply to send
that message and uh and ask that that be

2927
04:07:14,399 --> 04:07:23,840
a catalyst for a discussion. Um we've
lost uh one of our members here a few

2928
04:07:20,960 --> 04:07:30,239
minutes ago. So
with that, if I were to vote no uh then

2929
04:07:28,000 --> 04:07:35,439
these measures would fail. Um, and
that's that's not what I'm trying to do.

2930
04:07:32,239 --> 04:07:40,640
So, I'm going to go ahead and support uh
these two items. Uh, but I'm just I'm

2931
04:07:38,960 --> 04:07:48,080
hoping uh especially for our friends at
EMU um that you would take the good

2932
04:07:45,120 --> 04:07:53,040
faith effort to have a conversation u
with us with the community um and just

2933
04:07:50,800 --> 04:07:57,279
talk about what we might do uh to make
it a little bit more more livable and

2934
04:07:55,120 --> 04:08:02,080
maybe look at the technological fixes
that that might create some barriers uh

2935
04:08:00,080 --> 04:08:07,680
that would mitigate the the impact of
some other noise.

2936
04:08:05,199 --> 04:08:15,000
I mean I'm happy to participate in any
conversation or help to bridge whatever

2937
04:08:10,399 --> 04:08:15,000
is necessarily by multiple

2938
04:08:15,040 --> 04:08:21,920
to the university. So um okay anything
further

2939
04:08:20,239 --> 04:08:24,399
call the vote please.
>> Council member

2940
04:08:23,199 --> 04:08:26,080
» yes mayor Brown.
>> Yes.

2941
04:08:24,800 --> 04:08:27,680
» Council member Tus.
>> Yes.

2942
04:08:26,560 --> 04:08:29,760
» Council member McCree.
>> Yes.

2943
04:08:28,160 --> 04:08:34,080
» Motion carries.
>> Um so what is the second one? Cuz I only

2944
04:08:32,000 --> 04:08:40,080
have one that was on the agenda. So if I
may, my apologies. Um

2945
04:08:37,600 --> 04:08:44,000
the sorry um Chris had asked that these
be two separate because one was the

2946
04:08:42,160 --> 04:08:50,479
normal one that they have done before
and this is an additional event that

2947
04:08:47,600 --> 04:08:52,160
they want to do after um the homecoming
date. But

2948
04:08:51,279 --> 04:08:56,160
» oh
>> Chris can explain that more.

2949
04:08:53,680 --> 04:09:00,239
» Okay. Well, it's 11:11. I don't I I
think we need I think we need more than

2950
04:08:57,600 --> 04:09:04,160
four minutes.
>> I do.

2951
04:09:02,479 --> 04:09:06,080
» All right. Right. I don't know. So,
okay.

2952
04:09:05,840 --> 04:09:12,080
» Okay.
>> No, it's not on the table yet.

2953
04:09:09,840 --> 04:09:16,399
» Okay. No, I'm I don't know. Go ahead.
It's not on the table yet. So, you

2954
04:09:14,000 --> 04:09:19,520
» resolution 192. Where is city of
received request M LC for additional

2955
04:09:18,239 --> 04:09:24,319
fire tech permit for an additional
firework play at the conclusion of the

2956
04:09:21,120 --> 04:09:26,640
game on September 4th stadium 799 North
Eastern Michigan University. Whereas

2957
04:09:25,520 --> 04:09:31,199
fire department will require certain
inspections now therefore be resolved

2958
04:09:27,920 --> 04:09:35,120
with council cities. Perfect is approved
by see by

2959
04:09:34,080 --> 04:09:40,760
» support
>> supported. Hello again.

2960
04:09:37,760 --> 04:09:40,760
» Hello

2961
04:09:41,760 --> 04:09:46,880
» in two minutes.
>> I I don't know what Okay, this is for

2962
04:09:45,279 --> 04:09:51,600
after the game. There's nothing else
that we're supposed to hear about.

2963
04:09:49,600 --> 04:09:55,279
You want to explain what this is?
>> Yeah. Uh and Will can chime in at any

2964
04:09:53,439 --> 04:10:00,160
point. This is for aerial display after
the game. That'll be taking place by the

2965
04:09:57,040 --> 04:10:06,160
inter mural the intramural fields. Uh
they uh requested ACE to do this to

2966
04:10:03,040 --> 04:10:12,880
enhance the um the entertainment package
for the game. Um so postgame uh

2967
04:10:09,040 --> 04:10:20,000
10-minute firework display. Um again
these are traditional professional

2968
04:10:15,840 --> 04:10:26,399
display fireworks. Um, and we have opted
to not use anything that just goes up

2969
04:10:21,760 --> 04:10:29,920
and bangs and has no visual effect. Um,
just out of respect since that's a noise

2970
04:10:28,319 --> 04:10:33,132
maker and we're trying to keep that out
of the city. [snorts]

2971
04:10:34,160 --> 04:10:38,399
» No salutes.
>> No salutes. Got it.

2972
04:10:37,279 --> 04:10:41,399
» Anything from council?
>> No.

2973
04:10:42,800 --> 04:10:45,359
» Mayor Brown.
>> Yes.

2974
04:10:44,319 --> 04:10:49,120
» Council member Tus.
>> Yes. Council member MC.

2975
04:10:47,359 --> 04:10:51,120
» Council member King.
>> Motion.

2976
04:10:50,080 --> 04:10:54,880
» Thank you.
>> Thank you, council.

2977
04:10:53,439 --> 04:10:58,640
» Thank you.
>> Anything pressing for council?

2978
04:10:56,880 --> 04:11:02,319
» No.
>> Council member.

2979
04:11:00,800 --> 04:11:06,319
» I mean, no, we don't have enough time,
but I do have a list.

2980
04:11:04,880 --> 04:11:10,720
As I
>> uh anything I mean, we got two minutes

2981
04:11:08,239 --> 04:11:13,920
on Muslim.
>> All right. Um I Okay, I'll bring

2982
04:11:12,880 --> 04:11:18,239
something in the last few minutes. Then
I'll get point privileges from there. Um

2983
04:11:16,399 --> 04:11:22,720
the communication we got from embracing
our differences about the destruction of

2984
04:11:20,720 --> 04:11:26,399
the fortress in Riverside Park. I don't
know if you saw that. I got an email

2985
04:11:24,319 --> 04:11:30,160
from Nancy Margolas as well as one from
Amanda Maymore about this and concerns

2986
04:11:28,160 --> 04:11:34,640
about not being able to continue using
Riverside as the display. I do not want

2987
04:11:32,319 --> 04:11:37,840
to see that happen. So I we I I'll
forward you what I got. I thought you

2988
04:11:35,920 --> 04:11:41,520
were CCed on there so we can talk about
it. um because how can we support

2989
04:11:39,680 --> 04:11:45,920
keeping them in the in the park. It's
been such a wonderful addition over the

2990
04:11:43,680 --> 04:11:50,800
the years. And I'm not exactly sure what
happened and and when. Um but definitely

2991
04:11:49,040 --> 04:11:54,479
something that I I want us to look into
and you know see what's happened down at

2992
04:11:52,479 --> 04:11:58,800
Riverside because that's really
upsetting you know like I mean and

2993
04:11:56,960 --> 04:12:03,600
apparently the portraits like some of
them are like destroyed pieces of them

2994
04:12:00,399 --> 04:12:09,600
are tape on top of the actual um
structure that holds them up. Um, and I

2995
04:12:06,720 --> 04:12:13,920
plan to reach out to uh Nancy tomorrow
to to find out more. Today just got

2996
04:12:11,760 --> 04:12:17,760
away. It was so busy today.
>> 11:15.

2997
04:12:16,080 --> 04:12:20,920
» Good night.
>> Good night.

2998
04:12:21,760 --> 04:12:25,720
» Sign off these things.