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I'd like to call the meeting to order, please. And welcome guests and people that want to speak. This is third time. First, we do, you'll come in introductions. We want to go around the room.

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You get to start. Sorry. I went in the middle of a message.

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I'm sorry, guys. It has been a long day and a long week already, even though it's just Tuesday.

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I'll aware, director of housing and community development will be gone.

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Sure, Megard, so many of you have been directed.

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Christine Dunn, behavioral health and homelessness program coordinator for Clown Family.

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Yes, I'm told to help you in your service.

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Yeah, not in our city of Sweden.

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Caleb Anderson, business community,

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Charlie Connorey, law and justice.

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Sarah McBride, Healthy Families Program Manager.

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Sandra Allen, Peninsula Behavioral Health,

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and the Supervisor of Forensic Programs.

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Jeff Moore, from all over the world.

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Can I turn you to our online thoughts?

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Yes, I'm following.

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Stay now you want to go first?

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Sure.

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Hi.

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I'm Dana Ward, a tribal council member for the Jansk Lowne Tribe Alternate,

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sitting in for Lonnie and Gretenger today.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Dana.

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I see you, Johnnie.

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Good afternoon, everybody.

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My name is Johnnie Anchor.

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I'm the Consolidated Veteran Service Representative with Work Source of Claw and Jefferson County.

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Thank you, Johnnie.

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Sherry.

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Sherry Tinker, Executive Director for Sarge's Veteran Support.

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Thank you, Sherry.

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Christy Smith, United Way of Clown County.

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Please, Christy.

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And I also see Joyce.

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Joyce may not be able to unmute yet.

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Joyce Stewart is also online.

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And then I just saw that Debbie just joined.

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Maybe you want to introduce yourself real quick.

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Well, WTESH is also online, might not be able to unmute at this moment.

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Oh, Joyce, I see your unmute and would you like to introduce yourself?

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Can you hear me?

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Yes.

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I'm on my phone because I couldn't get the computer to boot up quick enough.

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So I'm here.

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Thanks, Joyce.

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I appreciate you being here.

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Okay, I think we captured all of our members request for modifications for the agenda.

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We do have one for the agenda. We're going to postpone the annual report discussion. Sharon did provide a copy of it for those who want to review it before again.

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In lieu of discussion that Sharon and Biola both want to discuss with us and those are some changes that are happening with HUD.

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That will be affecting probably most folks.

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Well, I will begin here.

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So, changed to the agenda to include the discussion of housing service, Sturkey POC.

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I have a motion for the agenda.

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Second.

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Second.

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All in favor.

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So, has everybody received and reviewed the minutes from the last maybe, up to, I guess you did both.

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There's a mistake and there should be October 7th.

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No, there is the 5th and 7th, isn't it?

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Yes, yes, that's fine.

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It's important.

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Sorry.

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So, do we have any changes to those minutes?

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If not, do I have a motion to approve the minutes from August 5th and October 7th?

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Point clarification.

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Lizzie Schroenwar and Port Angel City Council member.

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I'm sitting in for Amy Miller.

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I just want to make sure.

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Yes.

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There was an agent.

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I just double check.

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Oh, yeah.

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Thank you.

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I'll make a motion to approve the October meeting minutes.

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Second, let's see.

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We have a motion on the second. All in favor.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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So public comments.

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I'll go with no one else's.

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So I'm Brad Griffith.

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I may have been up here before and it probably won't be the last time you're seeing me in.

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I'm Brad Griffith.

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I produce emergency housing shelters.

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So I've been into this five years, I'll let you pass it around.

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You could poke at it, but this is a cross section of our wall panel.

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There are sandwich panels or set panes.

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They come fully plywood on the inside and exterior plywood on the outside.

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I've been stalling a little bit.

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We just erected our first building on my property.

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They come in four foot sections.

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So they're designed to fit in a pickup truck or a van to design for two men, three men to

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assemble to bring through a house or around the backyard where you can't plant a red

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shed or get equipment in the backyard.

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So primarily what I'm after is just a quick intro if you ever want to see the full mock-up

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and talk more, but these I'm looking at being able for you and I citizen to plant these

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in the backyard to take care of our friend family or foe. So that is my deal if we can

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know solution is going to be the solution but if we add solutions maybe we can

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draw down some of the counties and cities obligations to actually build a billage

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and plant individual buildings and people's backyard.

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So if you ever want to chat about what I do

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and what I've been doing for five years,

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to make this all happen, my parts, please remain there.

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This is just a cross section of the building

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so you can see the pattern.

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And also, they are not inspected by Ellen.

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I've chatted with all of the Kings, so to speak, from L&I and set panels are not inspected.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much. Thank you.

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Structurally insulated. So any other public comments?

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Yes.

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I just moved and I interacted with the housing authority and with the HRC.

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and so it was so professional and that's the dishes and it was a deal I was really worried about

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till it all came together at the last minute and I feel like I hit the lottery even though my

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body's killing me from the move but I'd like to enter into the record the names of some very

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professional people that helped me along with you know and maybe with Julie and Angela and

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first and it just went like clockwork and then I was waiting for the bus you

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know to just get out of you know at my age or see appointment in front of the

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main shelter and it just the great it hasn't looked that good since 2011

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Sharon you're really bringing out the best in people I mean it looks great out

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there and so I'm a pretty happy camper this meeting and that's great congratulations

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I'm just trying to figure something out on this report. I saw this when it first came out.

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So the point in time counts are for 2020-310 with 176 unsheltered.

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But the waiting list for the various

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housing units or 4,000 and almost 4,500.

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I don't understand that. And maybe it's a simple

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question, but there's an estimated 150 unsheltered, 176, I'm sorry. And the waiting list for housing

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is 4,500. Where are these people coming from in general? And most of them are looking for

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one bedroom studio. Can some of you reconcile those numbers for me?

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Well, a lot of the people are living at couch surfing. There's a lot of people at couch

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surfing. There's a lot of people that are especially with municipal housing authority.

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Some of those people are in housing right now with their applying for lower cost housing.

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So those are the number of people that are out looking for a place to move.

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Is that a rolling list?

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Is it updated?

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It's updated.

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It's all people from, it's all local folks living here already.

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Do we maybe able to, yeah, please, Debbie, I, sorry about that I'm having some computer issues.

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So, that does not represent just people living in Clawham County.

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We don't—anybody can apply for our housing.

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Some of our numbers may actually be a little bit skewed because people may have applied

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for more than one waiting list.

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My system doesn't have a way of ferreting them out and showing which ones are duplicates.

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So, the numbers are very well probably skewed a bit.

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Okay, thanks Debbie. So, how many of that 4,500 would you say are duplicates and how many

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are not from Ballham County? I could not tell you how many are not from

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Collham County. Our agency serves Collham and Jefferson, and like I said, anybody can apply

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from anywhere. It's not unusual to have people living in California apply to live here.

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I can't tell you what are duplicates, I mean, I could, I could guesstimate, but that's all that it would be, would be a guesstimate.

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Would you estimate that more than half are from Clawham County?

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I could do more work.

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Probably, but again, that is just a guesstimate.

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I could probably look into it and see if I can sort the wait list by zip code and get back to you all, but right now I could not tell you for certain.

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Okay, I'll leave my contact information here if you could do that. Thank you.

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Sure, you're welcome.

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If I could just add a comment that for our shelter whenever we have a vet that comes to our program, we refer them to everywhere they apply every property the housing authority has.

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So there you will be duplicates, every single person will be on their three or four times depending on what criteria they hit.

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We do the same thing.

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Yeah, same with us.

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So anyone else?

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I don't see anyone online.

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Yeah, so for the position vacancies we just have a couple at the moment, Washington State

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Department of Social and Health Services Representative and Tribal Government Representative

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for Lower Elwaklown Tribe, Billy Tribe, and McCaw Tribe.

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We also have two more that will be cropping up at the end of this year that are kind of

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swallowing off the list here.

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And that will be for faith community representative.

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And I believe the other is formerly homeless,

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if I'm not mistaken, but those two will be coming available.

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So they'll be an advertisement period

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where those positions will be advertised in the paper.

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And but if you know anybody,

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if you have anybody that might be interested in that position,

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either one of those positions, please send them my way.

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We'll get them the application

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and help them get that file, then go from here.

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All right, supplemental.

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Yeah, so next up is our supplemental document reporting fee.

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So if you guys remember, we received additional document reporting

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from Washington Commerce to kind of backfill some of the shortages

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that we've seen across the state for this funding pool.

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and I'm going to share my screen here, so this probably will look familiar.

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We reassemble the review committee from this past funding cycle, the 2025-2027 funding

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cycle, to kind of go over this additional funding that we received and allocate it in the most

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equitable fashion. The review committee reconvened on September 3rd to provide those recommendations

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for this additional funding. The total that we received from the Washington Commerce was $445,167.

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And that is for state fiscal year 2025-2026 only. These funds will be used to enhance

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The original approved funding amounts from the State fiscal year 2025 through 2026. And then additionally, we're applicable. The funds will be applied first prior to the use of local dollars so that we're saving our local dollars to utilize in the future. Before the subcommittee reconvened, we did contact each of the funded agencies to identify their current funding shortfalls for that funding cycle of 2025 through 2026. And then share that information with the subcommittee.

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Just as a reminder, these funds are allowable to be used on specifically the homeless housing and assistance and the affordable housing funds or allowable uses on the RCW.

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So it's the same things, the same allowable uses that this board does against funding for already, just a different source of funding.

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So just to kind of go through this, I know we've got a lot on the agenda today, but to kind of just touch base on this pretty much all of the agencies have been fully funded in year one unless they specified that they did not need the full amount that they requested that they've been able to raise those funds elsewhere.

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So, just to kind of go through it real quick,

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show Trinity United Methodist Church,

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they're safe parking program, they receive

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an additional 18, or it's recommended

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that they receive an additional 18,780 in year 1.

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Serenity House for the shelter AIDS,

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they are recommended to receive an additional

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70,000 for that first year.

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Taffy for the Starfleet operations

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would receive an additional 5,000

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part of 58. They are other program bridging the gap would receive 18,142.

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Mayor Posahouse would receive an additional 18,723 dollars and 60 cents.

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Boys and girls club would receive an additional 43,366.

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Sarge's place would receive an additional 20,000 and Healthy Families would receive an additional

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22,677.

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Again, this would fund them for all these agencies with the exception of the House for their

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full asking amount for year one.

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And then for the affordable housing funds, healthy families, I would receive an additional

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$11,926.35, Sarge's would receive an additional $34,209, and it's a housing authority would

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receive an additional $35,000.

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And so that makes all of them grateful asking for the first year with the exception of Sarge's

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I believe in that year and I think that Sherry had found

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additional funding elsewhere.

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That's pretty much it.

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So after today's vote here, this will be moved along to the

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Commissioners and then contracts will be also amended and

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presented to the County Commissioners in December.

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This is a reminder.

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This wasn't we attempted to present this and have a vote at the

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last meeting, but there was no quorum.

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So that's why we're a little behind the schedule here.

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and there's such a way to have this meeting between the review committee and then presenting it here.

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So it'll be a quick turnaround with the commissioners and, you know, is there a question because of a motion to approve.

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I appreciate you all being here today. I think it would be very challenging when there's no quorum and business on that, especially when funding hinges on it. These agencies are waiting for that one. So I appreciate it.

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Let's do it. Five, we're done. You guys are still up. All right. I'm going to share this screen.

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We've seen if you want to just kind of talk about the item itself. I deeply apologize for folks

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looking at it online or in the room. It is challenging to see from here. We will be sending out

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electronic version of this for everybody to review as well, so that being said,

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I'll let Christine explain what we're looking at here. So our five-year plan

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that we had put into place earlier in the year was lacking a little bit of

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guidance really, and as far as what was the priority, what was the priority, what

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we have funding for now, what do we not have funding for and is kind of on the wish list

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if you will.

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So the commissioners asked us to put together a way to track how we're going to address

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this, which ones are we going to attack first, which ones are on the back burner, we received

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funding, we'll tackle them.

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So that's what this document essentially is.

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It's all of the key strategies and the action steps and then we kind of rated them on their

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priority level according to funding available and how important it was to get that type of project

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rolling. We did put some due dates. We changed a few of the due dates that were in here because

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most of these things started at the beginning or the I'm sorry the fall of this year and it just

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is not in the cards that we can get all of these things off the ground and started at one time. So

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So we did play around with the dates,

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none of those are hard and fast.

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So when we send this out,

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I really would like your feedback,

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your thoughts, what looks right,

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what looks like it's a pie in the sky dream

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or what we maybe could tackle.

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That isn't, you know,

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kind of listed as a priority on here.

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So this will be a living document.

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And this is what we're going to utilize

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to mark our progress and report back to Washington Commerce.

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So, this will be, you know, the nuts and bolts of it.

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It's pretty unwieldy at the moment right now,

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and when we're actually working with it,

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we can shrink some of these columns and boxes,

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so we just have a, you know, a title and a due date,

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so we know what we're working with.

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So, it's a bit customizable in that way,

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but so, I just wanted to kind of bring it to everyone's attention.

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It's together, it's in one place,

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we're going to send it out and ask for your feedback.

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When does that have to go to commerce?

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us. It doesn't necessarily have to. We will send it to commerce. I think once it's maybe a little bit

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with the reports, I think might be the wise thing to do so that we can show what we've been

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working on and how we're doing it. But this was something that was specifically asked for from the

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commissioners. So yeah, one place view you should act and review and for us all to kind of hopefully

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we in a more combined way be able to see the strategies and the goals and then where they're

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lying in the priority level and what funding source that might come from or if outside funding is

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needing to be sought for those things. So it's broken out into different colors for each of the

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objective, the main objectives, but we're happy to receive any feedback on how the document is laid

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out, or any edits to the meat of the document as well. Nice work, guys. Yeah, nice job. Thank you.

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It was long.

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Yeah, and the process itself I wish had gone a little bit different, so I think that

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this will help us going forward and being able to track

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and assess how things are going.

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And something we can use five years from now, too.

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When we're doing it again.

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Well, you know, it goes into our annual report

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Nice to Congress.

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So it's really nice that you have something

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that's comparable to what we're doing in the housing solutions.

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So I think it just makes it looks like a nice product.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Is by way of celebration, is there anything in the due date column for the fall of 25 that's been completed?

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Not completed, but we have been talking, we've started the process on the tiny homes discussion and that is a big piece of this.

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There's more work to be done in that arena, but it is definitely where we've got the ball rolling.

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There are some other things that were listed as starting in the fall, but again, I don't

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really think that's realistic, so we've pushed them out a little bit.

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We've got five years, so we can start each of these kind of, but again, when you're looking

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at this document, if you feel like something needs to be pushed up or you have other thoughts,

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let me know.

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And we'll assess at that point.

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So fiscal year 24 or 25.

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So we're going to actually, I've put this.

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So this is the fiscal year 2024, 2025 expenditure report.

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So every year we put out what was spent of the funding that we had the year before.

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And it will be available on the website.

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I'm also going to send it to you guys on the table here as well so you can review.

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you. But in light of the sessions today, we figured rather than go through the whole

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document, it would be easier for people to let you guys look at it on your own time.

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And if there are any errors or things you feel as though need a correction, please let

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me know. But it will also be available on the website as well.

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Thank you. Yes. So, um, this is us, I guess.

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Yes, we've attended a meeting at the bells of state yesterday, which is about to move

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some of our 230 and 240 or this evening, I think it was.

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And some of the things that they are doing with our rapid rehousing and some of our programming

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and they being HUD are really changing a lot of our paradigms. I'm making sure how to say it.

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Is this maybe it might be helpful to explain the balance of state what it is and how it functions

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for maybe folks who want to have better than that? I can use that. Because the balance of state is all

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of the communities that are not the the corridor of Snoholish, Pierce and King County. So it's all the

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remaining counties is what is considered the balance of states. I represent County County on

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that balance of state and yesterday they had some votes on things that HUD is pushing

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down to all of the communities that will change a how we are funded and be how we are ranked

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and rated and and see put a limit on permanent supported housing in 30 percent but I'm not exactly

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sure how that goes. There's a significant shift from permanent housing to transitional housing.

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which comes with a lot of complications.

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So, currently, balances state permanent,

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supportive housing takes up about 82% of that fund.

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They're limiting it to 30%.

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So.

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Is the federal.

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Yes, so what they're doing,

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so there's three options that are available.

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There is a nofo that came out.

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the RFP just dropped for new projects, and those are due by the 15th of this month, so the

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window is this small. And the new, if you want to start a new project, it will be transitional

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housing. It will come with requisites, for example. You cannot, as an agency, have a history

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of supporting gender conformity. They are going to look at your social media, and you will

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be graded lower due to that. You will be required. You will have to require people to work full-time.

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If they don't work full-time, you are going to be required to require of your clients 40 hours of

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case management or treatment or some kind of social services. Now, when we look at, when I talk about

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that 30%. That means every permanent supportive housing that is funded by HUD gets limited to that.

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So only the top scorers in the ratings for that section will make it. Leaving the rest of the balance

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of state to either draw straws and who gets funded and who doesn't, or reallocate all of their funds

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to become transitional housing regardless of what happens.

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Right now there is, the vote was just,

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we have some ability for some of those scoring

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to wait differently, some of that,

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adjust the weights to some of that scoring.

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But what that still leaves is because permanent supportive housing

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and rapid rehousing, which is also permanent housing,

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are in the same category to compete for that 30% spot.

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And so what the vote that is going to be coming via email is are we as a steering committee going to prioritize permanent supportive housing and

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reallocate all the rapid rehousing which moves people into permanent housing from homelessness to transitional housing.

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Go ahead.

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But is the federal definition of transitional housing?

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time-limited housing for two years, it considered shelter, so you were moving people from permanent

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housing to shelter, a shelter definition which will completely

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You

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You are a point in time, camp, in addition to, if you have people in permanent supportive housing, and you now have to renew that as transitional housing, you are not allowed to keep the people who are in permanent supportive housing to move them from that to transitional housing. In addition, sorry, there was so much yesterday, and it really hurt as a provider knowing that the impact this is going to

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have on our people with these requirements and also how different states are going to be

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graded differently as well. And the other part of that is that, for example, on my properties,

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I have a deed restriction that says that must be permanent supportive housing until 2054.

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and if that, so I really can't change it to transitional housing, but transitional

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housing was counted in the pit gout last year. So now we have all these people that

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were moving to transitional housing that were permanent were housed, and now they're

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technically unhoused. Also the instruction from HUD in order to be transitional housing.

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We cannot allow it reasoning behind this. I still have to puzzle out.

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Because what we were told during the steering committee meeting yesterday was that HUD advises

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that the provider be the leaseholder. And then we move people in and their belief was that this would

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Avert tenant landlord laws, which it does not.

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People who don't have a lease and pay rent also

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are protected by landlord tenant laws.

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So the purpose of requiring a provider

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to be the lease holder, I'm not sure,

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where that comes from, but that is going to be a requirement.

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Sure, and I thought at some point,

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you said that your, at least part of your facility

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had a two-year time limit.

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it was the my mis-remembering. So we have a quiet agreement with 10 units that belong to Olympic,

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can you help me out there? I think it was something about the sheltering meditation.

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That's a tax definition. Okay, so that court hasn't changed. I'm talking about the other part

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what you're using at your lease agreement is that it's permanent for something.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, for example, Maloney Heights, Evergreen, and Sunville are all considered permanent

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supportive housing, and they're 30% AMI with the disability and 11 months homeless.

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us. So if I turn all of those over to temporary housing, then they become almost again, right?

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Technically. I mean, the current residents have to move because you're taking me non-sue back.

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Yeah, you're not making it back to someone from being house to being temporary house.

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So I must have known that this was going to happen. I mean, they're a huge percentage across the

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country, you know, are in these permanent places. And what, you know, here it was all, did

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they do this on purpose like we want to throw all these people out, or do they have something

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else in mind?

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I don't know. So there's no additional funding coming to fill the gaps there. Yeah. But the

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The other thing that I can tell you is for those of you that like to write letters and

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to support things, it's time that we do something like that, but there's also a loss that

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is coming up between Congress to HUD.

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So that's something that all of us should be aware of is that Congress is doing HUD for

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these changes. So this is that we're 20 or 25 states have joined yep the

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Trinity's general of trying yep but it's the December 15th deadline it doesn't

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change it right now and yeah we have to move forward to for example my renewals

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for YHDP are in the balance of this.

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So I have people that are currently on a lease with using funds from YHDP.

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That's a youth grant.

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Yeah, it's a youth grant. Sorry.

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Thank you.

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I need to translate it all the time.

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So that grant, I have people that are leasing and being paid.

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there are at least landlords are being paid by this grant and the end of the grant is

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a lot and it doesn't automatically renew anymore so we have to apply for that

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bridge and while we apply for that we also have to say that we're no longer

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going to use rapid rehousing funds to pay for this rent and we have to

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to renegotiate with all the criteria of that person.

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Well, also, so the RFP that was released

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are for new grants.

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So none of these renewals for our existing programs.

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Can we, unless that we end up applying for a new program

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for some of those permanent supportive housing units

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or after rehousing that didn't go through?

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The other two options, so if we renew

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or if we reallocate is a whole different process that hasn't been released yet and the HUD system

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that we enter those renewals and reallocations is not open yet. Yeah, it's not open yet. So, I mean,

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it's kind of a complete mess, but in the same brought this as our response to homelessness and

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they're reclassifying people that are permanently housed and to temporary housing, which also becomes

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homeless. It seems like all the things that we've worked for for the last three or four years to

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get people housed is no longer valid. So the awareness of this team is really important.

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It also puts our HUD funding puts us in direct opposition of our COC Commerce Guidelines

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in mandates.

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So I think you guys say to you that you'll have to move the people that are already housed

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out of.

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Yes.

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So if I reclassify the building, I do.

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So I'm on a hard no on that and what that means to me, no.

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Well, if I go hard to know on that, what that means to me is I have to figure out a way

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to fund the sites.

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I would only get so much prevention funding, and you can't.

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Good.

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I have an idea.

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So you said currently 80% of the funds go to the permanent housing, and you can do an award

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in 30.

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So, you pick 30, the 30% you want to stay, and then the rest, you have to sign new leases.

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They're not support.

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It's providers in programs.

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30% of the permanent housing programs are going to pass.

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So, you're talking surrounding the house would not go in by the landlord.

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People needs to surround the house so that we would be occupancy agreements.

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kind of like how an Oxford House works. Right? That's how they, they were. So then the thing is, is you'd have to use the transitional housing funds to pay that landlord.

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So the agency would have to be paying for that spot, whether someone's occupying here at all.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And the ones below any heights.

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Probably in those other ones.

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We can.

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00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:48,610
Okay.

456
00:38:48,970 --> 00:38:51,390
So you could sell them.

457
00:38:51,790 --> 00:38:52,070
They trust.

458
00:38:54,270 --> 00:38:55,670
Sell them to a trust.

459
00:38:55,850 --> 00:38:56,830
And then they have.

460
00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:58,870
So they have rent.

461
00:38:59,250 --> 00:39:00,710
It from the trust.

462
00:39:01,230 --> 00:39:04,950
And then you rent to that out to the tenants.

463
00:39:05,590 --> 00:39:07,290
And they can't stay in the same unit.

464
00:39:07,410 --> 00:39:08,910
Then you rename the units.

465
00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:10,450
And you go.

466
00:39:10,850 --> 00:39:10,990
Okay.

467
00:39:11,110 --> 00:39:11,430
Before.

468
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:16,130
Our baloney heights here, this was, you get one off and one, now it's ABC.

469
00:39:17,650 --> 00:39:19,150
And then people don't have to move.

470
00:39:19,650 --> 00:39:21,790
And they're renting from Serenity House.

471
00:39:22,990 --> 00:39:26,730
And I'd really like to see you cut sniff that out.

472
00:39:27,150 --> 00:39:32,530
And then if they had a problem with that, try to prevail in court, I think you could do

473
00:39:32,530 --> 00:39:32,710
that.

474
00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:35,830
I'm not going to do it for you because I don't want to do any of that.

475
00:39:37,130 --> 00:39:44,390
No, but those are the kinds of things that we need to come up with in order to survive

476
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:45,550
the next three years.

477
00:39:46,110 --> 00:39:47,530
I mean, that's just reality.

478
00:39:47,830 --> 00:39:52,210
Well, that and we're going to have to reinforce boots on the ground and the people that are

479
00:39:52,210 --> 00:39:55,670
saying tarmo is vulnerable, who will eventually end up back on the street.

480
00:39:56,430 --> 00:40:01,650
How many for the housing in place that are we talking about, or are we talking about?

481
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:06,530
Well, permanent supportive housing for me is 61.

482
00:40:07,350 --> 00:40:09,430
That's how many units I have.

483
00:40:09,610 --> 00:40:13,870
But then you've got an 85% fund going down to 30%.

484
00:40:13,870 --> 00:40:15,950
So that's not all of your...

485
00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:20,510
No, I think when this first came out, I have to look up the estimate.

486
00:40:20,850 --> 00:40:25,650
They believed that this would displace about 170,000 people.

487
00:40:25,650 --> 00:40:29,250
the board says, because the

488
00:40:29,250 --> 00:40:30,390
RAPınry who's the housing

489
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:32,050
program is there included in

490
00:40:32,050 --> 00:40:33,270
that permit housing number.

491
00:40:33,370 --> 00:40:34,430
Yes, you're not just talking

492
00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:35,530
about units, you're talking

493
00:40:35,530 --> 00:40:36,950
about you're also a gallery

494
00:40:37,710 --> 00:40:39,110
programs that we have that are

495
00:40:39,110 --> 00:40:41,590
blended to live which help we

496
00:40:41,590 --> 00:40:42,910
assist people's in southern

497
00:40:42,910 --> 00:40:44,330
sites throughout the community,

498
00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:46,070
which there all isn't it.

499
00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:49,010
Also pays landlords rental

500
00:40:49,010 --> 00:40:50,470
assistance. Yeah yeah.

501
00:40:50,610 --> 00:40:52,310
Is in the 30% yeah.

502
00:40:52,310 --> 00:40:53,350
I'm

503
00:40:56,230 --> 00:41:02,690
sure that you have any idea what the chances are that there will be an injunction from this long films over one and only likely.

504
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:14,370
The plan stinks the high heaven and I can't imagine the injunctions certainly.

505
00:41:14,370 --> 00:41:19,750
I mean, it was a public, I'm not as familiar with it.

506
00:41:19,870 --> 00:41:27,590
I will look into it, but it's just preposterous.

507
00:41:28,030 --> 00:41:30,610
It's also removable with the housing first model.

508
00:41:31,350 --> 00:41:34,790
There'll be work requirements, there'll be sobriety requirements,

509
00:41:35,470 --> 00:41:40,780
and they're going to prioritize what they said today,

510
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,440
the meetings with NOVA's command those priorities for

511
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,720
for those sites that are pre-builders per minute,

512
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,420
that they have the medical services and stuff

513
00:41:50,420 --> 00:41:51,440
in the site already.

514
00:41:52,540 --> 00:41:54,680
Oh, yeah, the other thing is there's going to be,

515
00:41:55,540 --> 00:42:01,840
we're going to be required to partner with law enforcement.

516
00:42:09,450 --> 00:42:14,910
Yeah, it was a lot to digest yesterday afternoon.

517
00:42:14,910 --> 00:42:22,610
And I really, obviously, haven't digested everything that there is to digest there.

518
00:42:23,050 --> 00:42:24,270
It's kind of like eating an elephant.

519
00:42:25,070 --> 00:42:33,190
But again, we just wanted you guys to be aware that we're having issues.

520
00:42:33,970 --> 00:42:36,190
Well, and go ahead, sorry.

521
00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:41,010
Yeah, maybe just to say the unspoken part of some of those comments is that Hermann's

522
00:42:41,010 --> 00:42:46,590
part of housing is what most cost-effective means that we have for housing people with severe

523
00:42:46,590 --> 00:42:50,010
disabilities who would otherwise be out in the street and nobody's ill will take care

524
00:42:50,010 --> 00:42:50,330
of them.

525
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:57,270
Way more cost-effective than having law enforcement responding every day to that person's

526
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:57,510
needs.

527
00:42:59,250 --> 00:43:03,890
And the ER, right, like the jail in the ER, the most expensive places for people to stay.

528
00:43:04,430 --> 00:43:08,770
The most part of housing is cheapness in our continuing care model.

529
00:43:08,770 --> 00:43:15,810
And it is a direct attack on housing first, which is the idea that if we get people who need

530
00:43:15,810 --> 00:43:19,750
wrap around services house, it's a lot easier wrap those services around.

531
00:43:20,410 --> 00:43:23,790
And housing first is effective about 70% of the time.

532
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:28,090
So not for everybody, like some people still aren't able to make that work,

533
00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:33,090
but it's way more effective than like housing readiness, which is like, well, first get sober,

534
00:43:33,090 --> 00:43:35,910
and then we'll give you housing, and that works for maybe 30% people.

535
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:43,210
So we're taking the most cost effective, like most efficient part of our housing system

536
00:43:43,210 --> 00:43:47,850
and saying, oh, that's not what we want, even though that's an improvement over decades

537
00:43:47,850 --> 00:43:53,210
to be highly effective. And, you know, this is the hypocrisy of the Trump regime is they're

538
00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:57,570
going to doge government efficiency, but they're really like taking the most efficient thing

539
00:43:57,570 --> 00:44:04,530
out from address. And put numbers to that. So the Journal of American Medical Association

540
00:44:04,530 --> 00:44:13,630
did a cost analysis of a permanent supported housing in Seattle for chronically homeless

541
00:44:13,630 --> 00:44:20,790
alcoholics and people were not required to be in recovery in order to get that housing.

542
00:44:21,470 --> 00:44:28,690
And the cost analysis identified that this cohort of 90 people cost the city 8.9 million

543
00:44:28,690 --> 00:44:30,790
dollars in a year prior.

544
00:44:32,910 --> 00:44:38,670
Emergency cost, emergency shelter, court fees, jail time, and once they

545
00:44:38,670 --> 00:44:44,250
entered that cost went down by 60 percent within the first six months and continued to go down.

546
00:44:44,570 --> 00:44:50,130
While in housing, a lot of those people's drinking also decreased. The cost savings of running

547
00:44:50,130 --> 00:44:54,410
the program, they thought was going to be about a million a year, it ended up being about two

548
00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:59,970
million a year. So if we want to put some numbers to that plus having a big

549
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,860
In having provided direct service to our folks that are out camping, that are struggling with mental health, and SUD, I can say it is far more traumatic and detrimental for somebody to go into treatment when there is no housing when they come out. You're traumatizing them and the returns just go shoot down. Yeah, it's heartbreaking for me when we drop somebody off from a sobriety session at the

550
00:45:29,860 --> 00:45:37,320
shelter because they go right back is that 30 days or 60 days that they spend getting

551
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:43,920
clean and sober the minute they're dropped back off at my shelter they're right back

552
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:51,300
where they started and you know we try to catch that before it happens but it happens

553
00:45:51,300 --> 00:46:06,200
four times than that. So, you know, that's all just sound stuff. But back to where you were

554
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:15,180
talking about efficiency in permanent supportive housing. One person in any one of my programs

555
00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:19,180
cost us about $8,800 a year.

556
00:46:22,990 --> 00:46:25,250
When they're in permit support of housing,

557
00:46:25,250 --> 00:46:28,690
a versus what is the cost if they were living in shelter?

558
00:46:30,310 --> 00:46:31,770
26, 22 and 9.

559
00:46:34,090 --> 00:46:34,690
So, you

560
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:39,500
can carry this to see.

561
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:42,880
So, I mean, the pendulum has swung

562
00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:44,680
physically in housing.

563
00:46:44,940 --> 00:46:47,940
I mean, there was a push to eliminate emergency shelter

564
00:46:47,940 --> 00:46:48,780
at one point.

565
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:52,820
But, did you do that?

566
00:46:52,820 --> 00:46:58,780
I have $26 per 9368,000 is $9,490.

567
00:47:00,660 --> 00:47:07,460
So if we rather give something apartment or have them sleep and hungry at shelter.

568
00:47:07,580 --> 00:47:10,940
And then all the additional community cost from somebody is outside of the shelter.

569
00:47:11,980 --> 00:47:15,880
The biggest thing is going to be to the families that are on these programs.

570
00:47:19,220 --> 00:47:24,400
There's a lot of our rapid re-housing programs are directly helping families because there's

571
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:30,620
permits for the environment on this individual. So you're going to have a lot of homeless children.

572
00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:33,580
Really quick.

573
00:47:38,420 --> 00:47:42,120
Do you have a current estimate of how many individuals this could potentially

574
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,880
impact in class? No, I haven't got to those numbers. I was busy.

575
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:55,040
Well, how I chased a few bodies down this morning. I talked to Randy last night and I talked

576
00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:05,160
to Steve Thuringer this morning. I was at the meeting this morning where all the all representatives

577
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:11,720
were. So I tried to catch that. I've already put out a few letters. And I just wanted to

578
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:15,640
to make sure that maybe we take on as a team here

579
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,880
to write homelessness task force letter.

580
00:48:20,420 --> 00:48:22,800
And that would be what I would propose

581
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,680
is sign by all of us, or sign by,

582
00:48:27,020 --> 00:48:28,120
on the approval of some of them.

583
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,860
My thought is the current federal administration,

584
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,920
it would also give you a waste of paper

585
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,520
and not that we shouldn't do it,

586
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:51,420
but I do believe that the two-pronged approach of the lawsuit and I do to participate

587
00:48:51,420 --> 00:49:01,720
in injunction because of the unbelievably dramatic effects if I need to place

588
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:12,800
And then a plan plans to keep things as they are with what they think are going to be the changes.

589
00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:22,700
So that's my two bits because I don't believe that making a logical argument is going to get us anywhere.

590
00:49:23,580 --> 00:49:26,280
I think they've came up with this on purpose.

591
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,160
It's not a stupidity.

592
00:49:30,140 --> 00:49:36,760
It's designed when you think of what they're doing in Colorado right now.

593
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:45,180
They built a big tent city and rounded up all their homeless and put them in there for

594
00:49:45,180 --> 00:49:45,800
a work program.

595
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,280
So, you know, it's already, it's already ugly.

596
00:49:54,550 --> 00:49:58,250
And why is this worse than when they were living on tents on the sidewalk?

597
00:50:00,170 --> 00:50:03,490
I don't know if you'll bring with it. I'm fine with that.

598
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,080
I think to your point,

599
00:50:14,620 --> 00:50:16,580
when you make an area like that,

600
00:50:16,940 --> 00:50:19,000
and you say, you're homeless, you have to live there,

601
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,260
you're taking someone's autonomy a choice away from them.

602
00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:23,860
That's why it's worse.

603
00:50:25,140 --> 00:50:29,400
It may not be, it may be a better environment than being on a tent

604
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:30,040
to sidewalk.

605
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,020
But if someone's choosing that tent on sidewalks, that's their choice.

606
00:50:34,020 --> 00:50:36,260
I don't have a right to take your

607
00:50:36,260 --> 00:50:36,360
advice.

608
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,480
It's not their sidewalk.

609
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:50,100
I think she may have chosen the sidewalking correctly, but yes, freedom

610
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:57,040
be placed in an internment camp versus being allowed to find your own

611
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,060
campsite is a world.

612
00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:15,760
And when you force people into an area like that and you make it a you deserve to be here because blah blah blah, you are going to invite abuse.

613
00:51:17,060 --> 00:51:24,140
And you're diminishing their self-worth a lot.

614
00:51:27,540 --> 00:51:32,820
So, I think we're going to beat this topic to that.

615
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,400
He has more to come.

616
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,500
I mean, it isn't like this topic is going to go away today.

617
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,040
But I really wanted to raise everybody's awareness to wig

618
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:49,280
and make sure that we were all in a position where we can plan around.

619
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:57,260
I don't know what the ramifications are about for even my own agency right now.

620
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,440
So I will, PS4 to come.

621
00:52:01,420 --> 00:52:04,980
There was a suggestion of a letter coming from the task force.

622
00:52:05,260 --> 00:52:05,840
Yes, please.

623
00:52:06,620 --> 00:52:16,300
If that is an agreement, I think we need a motion in the vote and then we can have the chair

624
00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:20,260
on the board side of that, on behalf of the system.

625
00:52:20,380 --> 00:52:20,640
That's good.

626
00:52:21,980 --> 00:52:23,040
Do we have a motion?

627
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,400
Well, clarification, who would let it be addressed to?

628
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,700
I would assume our state representatives.

629
00:52:30,060 --> 00:52:30,200
Yes.

630
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:32,480
And the federal congress.

631
00:52:34,540 --> 00:52:37,660
All of the Randall senators, or the entire Washington

632
00:52:37,660 --> 00:52:39,060
delegation is mine.

633
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,700
What I'm hearing from lawmakers at the federal level is they need

634
00:52:43,700 --> 00:52:47,740
to hear the stories of the impacts that aren't there

635
00:52:47,740 --> 00:52:49,760
as the president of the making in communities.

636
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:54,300
And so, you know, what do we actually expect in cloth count?

637
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,420
Like, there are, you know,

638
00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:01,620
I mean, is it 50, is it 100 people who cannot live

639
00:53:01,620 --> 00:53:04,360
on their own, who are currently housed,

640
00:53:04,660 --> 00:53:07,260
who will be ejected from housing because of this policy?

641
00:53:07,940 --> 00:53:10,180
And that's what we're, I mean, those concrete

642
00:53:10,180 --> 00:53:13,260
source of what they need to be able to advocate at the level of that.

643
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,260
But the other side of that is, is they actually have to tell us what the rules are before

644
00:53:18,260 --> 00:53:19,760
I can make those determinations.

645
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:25,320
I mean, it's hard to, because you're asking me to guess what they're going to do, and

646
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,640
guess what they're, what edics they're going to push down.

647
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:37,840
So I mean, I can do that on a 30, 50, 75 percent, but, you know,

648
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,680
I think through the best of your ability, like based on what we know today, it doesn't

649
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:43,520
cause this.

650
00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:50,340
But also we know that part of the Trump regime strategy is the uncertainty, and so they're

651
00:53:50,340 --> 00:53:51,920
not going to give you an event, so it's not a spot.

652
00:53:52,260 --> 00:53:52,700
Exactly.

653
00:53:53,340 --> 00:53:58,460
I mean, we've only had two weeks to figure out how we're going to rewrite all of our grants

654
00:53:58,460 --> 00:53:59,800
to sheet it up, for example.

655
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:00,680
I've got three of those.

656
00:54:08,980 --> 00:54:16,900
So, I mean, if we have to go out and figure out what the impacts are, we're not going

657
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:18,400
to be able to move on that very quickly.

658
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,300
And that's the other part.

659
00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:28,340
I think just the horror stories that you gave today should be enough, like if they do this,

660
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:32,980
this is what would have a letter to all of the.

661
00:54:32,980 --> 00:54:35,640
Okay. So the the whole question federal

662
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,500
affiliation had our local

663
00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:39,660
proposal. I'll draft it. I'll help.

664
00:54:39,940 --> 00:54:44,140
I would also include AG Nick Brown,

665
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,480
CC Nick on that and say, you know what?

666
00:54:47,820 --> 00:54:50,840
Here's real, here's the street view of what this is doing.

667
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,580
Who was that then? AG Nick Brown. Yeah.

668
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,360
And you know, I mean,

669
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,660
if you look at what happens when people are

670
00:54:59,660 --> 00:55:03,220
we're living on the street, just one statistic,

671
00:55:03,420 --> 00:55:06,340
which is stark enough, a woman living unsheltered,

672
00:55:06,340 --> 00:55:10,080
has a 35 year last life expectancy

673
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:11,500
than our house counterparts.

674
00:55:17,060 --> 00:55:22,400
So do I have a motion for the committee to draft a letter

675
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:24,620
to the representatives?

676
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:28,680
And a authorization for the Chair of the Board to sign.

677
00:55:35,260 --> 00:55:35,940
That's alright.

678
00:55:50,170 --> 00:55:52,510
So next agenda item.

679
00:55:52,850 --> 00:55:52,990
Yeah.

680
00:55:53,390 --> 00:55:54,890
So the next agenda item is.

681
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:57,870
Balancing the state continuum of care.

682
00:55:57,970 --> 00:55:59,930
Representative for the 20 26.

683
00:56:00,350 --> 00:56:01,730
Twenty 27 term.

684
00:56:02,210 --> 00:56:03,590
So that's been shared.

685
00:56:03,970 --> 00:56:05,690
So the Department of Commerce will

686
00:56:05,690 --> 00:56:10,270
reached out to us requesting who that voting member means, we have CARES here in

687
00:56:10,270 --> 00:56:16,770
committee will be. It's currently Sharon. So Sharon has also volunteered to do

688
00:56:16,770 --> 00:56:23,090
this again. I don't know are you willing to do it again? Sure. So we need to vote

689
00:56:23,090 --> 00:56:30,430
on that to move Sharon forward as our representative. So moved.

690
00:56:37,530 --> 00:56:38,810
Thank you.

691
00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:40,670
Thank you.

692
00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:41,250
Thank you.

693
00:56:42,270 --> 00:56:42,490
Thank you.

694
00:56:42,490 --> 00:56:46,230
Hey, the only time I've ever had a hard time doing that music was yesterday.

695
00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:51,130
So.

696
00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:56,310
Oh, I am.

697
00:56:57,090 --> 00:56:57,310
Okay.

698
00:56:59,150 --> 00:57:03,950
So, and I'll try to make this quick as I know we're slightly the late schedule.

699
00:57:05,130 --> 00:57:12,290
So we have some capacity building funding that we have been granted, and we have some

700
00:57:12,290 --> 00:57:20,330
funding as a cap to coming up in April that we can utilize to support people experiencing

701
00:57:20,330 --> 00:57:23,350
homelessness in both Jefferson and Klaala.

702
00:57:23,350 --> 00:57:27,670
I have a two-pronged approach. I have one approach that we're going to be looking at in Jefferson.

703
00:57:28,510 --> 00:57:38,010
In Clawham, we really want to look at exploring the ability to create a skilled nursing facility for people experiencing homelessness.

704
00:57:38,650 --> 00:57:47,630
Eventually, this would be long-term care that would also provide dementia care and hospice care.

705
00:57:49,050 --> 00:57:55,390
Currently the need is pretty significant. We would want to make it regional. We have

706
00:57:55,390 --> 00:58:03,650
a really good committee that we've built between with hospital administrators and people

707
00:58:03,650 --> 00:58:09,350
that are working on the ground such as our community paramedics and OVCC.

708
00:58:11,610 --> 00:58:12,690
We have a pretty

709
00:58:12,690 --> 00:58:20,750
good idea of what it looks like. It will be a really tall ask, and if we wanted to look at some

710
00:58:20,750 --> 00:58:27,150
immediate solutions, sort of skilled nursing light, it would be a higher level of care than the

711
00:58:27,150 --> 00:58:34,950
medical respite, of course. We would be looking for home health aids and caregivers to participate,

712
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:40,230
but also couple it with that social work component that made the medical respite so successful,

713
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:54,210
and the most cost effective means to implement something right away is a pilot right now we are looking at adult family homes or adult group living homes.

714
00:58:55,090 --> 00:59:07,590
So currently we are gathering the information on properties, local properties, hospital owned properties that might be dual-zoned, which would be amazing if we could get a good deal on that.

715
00:59:07,590 --> 00:59:12,730
if anybody wants to rent me a motel for a dollar a year, that would be awesome.

716
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:21,570
But that being said, I think this is something that our community has needed for a long time.

717
00:59:21,810 --> 00:59:27,690
I have enough horror stories of my own of our aging population experience and homelessness

718
00:59:27,690 --> 00:59:34,090
and the things that happened such as dementia. And we have seen a few people to the end of their lives

719
00:59:34,090 --> 00:59:37,830
being the only ones that they had coming to visit them in the hospital.

720
00:59:38,190 --> 00:59:41,490
So I'm very excited to embark on this.

721
00:59:41,790 --> 00:59:42,830
It will keep you up to date.

722
00:59:42,930 --> 00:59:47,430
We have Adam Bernbaum as a legislative champion.

723
00:59:48,450 --> 00:59:54,930
So I'm excited to tack what resources I can through Adam

724
00:59:54,930 --> 00:59:58,250
and all of the experts on our panel right now.

725
00:59:58,250 --> 00:59:59,570
We will be

726
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:13,820
We have a stakeholder meeting so I will probably be reaching out to a majority of our providers. Excited to move forward on this. Just find out the other crazy things happening. Congratulations. Thank you.

727
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:28,860
There may be some properties owned by the hospital that are zoned for residential and otherwise so like houses that would have been a specialty care location

728
01:00:28,860 --> 01:00:33,260
so that we might be able to utilize for providing medical care on site.

729
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:41,440
Do you have any specific asks for this group right now or just staying engaged?

730
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:50,000
Staying engaged, because I think once we are able to identify a property,

731
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,580
then that's where you'll probably hit the road.

732
01:00:55,220 --> 01:00:55,480
Thank you.

733
01:00:56,820 --> 01:00:59,060
So, future agenda items?

734
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:06,960
Yeah, so we have a list of things here, so food bank presentation on food security.

735
01:01:08,060 --> 01:01:12,340
We had once talked about having a Salvation Army Discussion, I think folks were kind of

736
01:01:12,340 --> 01:01:15,140
curious as to what's going on with the Salvation Army.

737
01:01:16,100 --> 01:01:21,440
And we've also had some requests for our presentation from Colleen McLear on prevailing wage.

738
01:01:22,180 --> 01:01:28,140
And then having the therapeutic board to come and just give us a presentation on what

739
01:01:28,140 --> 01:01:35,320
shaken with them. So those are future items to come if you think of anything that should

740
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:39,120
be on the agenda coming up, let me know and we'll speak on there.

741
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:45,800
I think it's pretty easy to say that we'll have some updated information on several of

742
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:54,980
the things we discussed today including the challenges and maybe also from Biola when things

743
01:01:54,980 --> 01:01:59,480
are coming about for the skilled nursing green potential.

744
01:02:00,780 --> 01:02:04,740
To that end, I'm wondering if to kind of take the load off of you

745
01:02:04,740 --> 01:02:08,120
of having to interpret what's being interpreted to you guys from HUD,

746
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,840
if there is somebody at the state level or something,

747
01:02:12,780 --> 01:02:18,060
the group that is in 20 years, it'll be willing to show up in either.

748
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:23,360
So how safe the voter is on the balance of state and he lives locally,

749
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,280
I could reach out to him and see if he wouldn't be willing to speak.

750
01:02:26,620 --> 01:02:27,680
Is that Holy Cap's hand?

751
01:02:28,260 --> 01:02:33,180
Yes, he saw his name on there, and I was like, yep, yep.

752
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:34,200
That's Holy Cap's hand.

753
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:35,240
That's what he goes in.

754
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,920
Yeah, then you can fully engage in the conversation

755
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,200
rather than feel like it's possible for me and the presenters of it.

756
01:02:40,420 --> 01:02:41,400
That's what he used in.

757
01:02:42,140 --> 01:02:44,120
Yeah, thank you for that explanation of this.

758
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:44,720
No, thank you.

759
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:45,700
Got a question.

760
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:52,060
If we ever had a presentation by the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula

761
01:02:55,880 --> 01:03:03,400
I think when they first started the program, so yeah, we can certainly ask them to, I don't

762
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:03,860
remember.

763
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:05,000
I mean, it may have.

764
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,640
I was interested in that one too.

765
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:10,480
I'm just,

766
01:03:19,130 --> 01:03:22,790
Dr. Punningham, I see your hand is raised, please feel free.

767
01:03:23,330 --> 01:03:24,410
I can hear me, okay?

768
01:03:24,850 --> 01:03:25,530
Yes, it can.

769
01:03:26,110 --> 01:03:27,510
Oh, hey, I just a couple of comments.

770
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:32,450
I love the idea of expanding services for seniors, et cetera.

771
01:03:32,770 --> 01:03:34,010
But a couple of terms are thrown around.

772
01:03:34,090 --> 01:03:38,310
I just want to comment on skilled nursing facility and or hospice

773
01:03:38,310 --> 01:03:42,270
and just point out that both of those used in the traditional sense

774
01:03:42,270 --> 01:03:45,150
are required certificate of needs.

775
01:03:45,970 --> 01:03:49,550
So as opposed to also I know it was stated adult family home,

776
01:03:49,550 --> 01:03:51,410
which is much less regulatory.

777
01:03:51,450 --> 01:03:54,710
But if we're going to be used in terms skilled nursing facility

778
01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:59,510
in hospice, just someone better be talking about a certificate need with the state before

779
01:03:59,510 --> 01:04:00,690
he gets too far down the road.

780
01:04:01,570 --> 01:04:01,750
Right.

781
01:04:02,670 --> 01:04:03,370
Thank you.

782
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:04,090
That's it.

783
01:04:04,170 --> 01:04:04,390
Thanks.

784
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,660
So any updates or announcements?

785
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:19,340
Thank you.

786
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:19,900
Are you okay?

787
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:20,700
Yes.

788
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:27,600
If you haven't already noted in the next paper, or on our website, or Section 8 waiting

789
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:32,820
list, please start with accepting new applications until the end of Friday.

790
01:04:32,820 --> 01:04:43,700
So a two midnight Friday night, it's on, I'll get on our online portal directions are on our website, it's going to select the HRDM.

791
01:04:44,060 --> 01:04:46,700
And of course we're available for the HRDM.

792
01:04:48,340 --> 01:04:48,960
Thank you.

793
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:50,960
Thank you, Debbie.

794
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:59,400
I have a question. Did the Trinity United Methodist Church start the parking program?

795
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,700
So they are up and running, but they have no takers yet.

796
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:05,500
They have an applicant.

797
01:05:06,060 --> 01:05:09,680
So one of the challenges has been in the budget,

798
01:05:10,020 --> 01:05:13,560
we, when I assisted developing the budget for that,

799
01:05:13,580 --> 01:05:15,120
I made sure there was funds that if somebody

800
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:16,940
doesn't have the registration, it could be paid for.

801
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,720
They didn't have insurance, it could be paid for it.

802
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:25,420
The insurance, the church's insurance does not allow vehicles

803
01:05:25,420 --> 01:05:33,760
on site that the occupant doesn't have a registration for and the challenge with that is a lot of

804
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:38,380
folks living in their cars. Those cars have been gifted from person to person to person and

805
01:05:38,380 --> 01:05:44,780
it's almost impossible to track down like original owners and then get that information, get something

806
01:05:44,780 --> 01:05:49,720
signed off to get that person a registration and I think that has been their biggest challenge but

807
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,600
that they do have, I just saw an email,

808
01:05:51,860 --> 01:05:52,780
they do have an applicant.

809
01:05:53,180 --> 01:05:53,240
Okay.

810
01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:59,740
Can they be in the user funds to get lost title

811
01:05:59,740 --> 01:06:01,760
certificate in order to get the titles

812
01:06:02,590 --> 01:06:04,820
from the video that we are applying?

813
01:06:06,420 --> 01:06:10,780
Possibly if it's a challenge.

814
01:06:12,980 --> 01:06:15,860
We've had people who like have had RVs

815
01:06:15,860 --> 01:06:17,860
where you can't find the person

816
01:06:17,860 --> 01:06:25,760
or there is an existing person who then refuses to sign a bill of sale or a registration.

817
01:06:26,620 --> 01:06:29,360
So it can be pretty complex, but that's fine.

818
01:06:32,570 --> 01:06:36,950
So, you know, here we're dealing with what happens when the rent is too high,

819
01:06:37,210 --> 01:06:38,830
and there's not enough housing for people.

820
01:06:39,410 --> 01:06:43,510
And, you know, the crisis and the lack of indignity that people have,

821
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:46,050
and almost this in our county.

822
01:06:46,850 --> 01:06:50,150
The county and Port Angeles and Squam

823
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:51,770
are all working on our comprehensive plans.

824
01:06:52,010 --> 01:06:55,490
Port Angeles, it's not on our agenda tonight to approve it,

825
01:06:55,550 --> 01:06:56,990
but it'll be on our agenda in two weeks.

826
01:06:57,590 --> 01:06:59,610
So it's not too late to get in comments,

827
01:06:59,830 --> 01:07:03,710
feel as well, dual zone, like let's make sure

828
01:07:03,710 --> 01:07:06,350
that we don't continue to repeat the mistakes

829
01:07:06,350 --> 01:07:08,330
we've made of locating our night by night shelter

830
01:07:08,790 --> 01:07:11,090
miles away from the center of town and all the services.

831
01:07:11,090 --> 01:07:22,130
Let's create in our vision of the city a city that you know puts the needs of our forests most at risk community members first and that will help to boost all of us up

832
01:07:22,130 --> 01:07:32,490
So there's an opportunity still to to get comments and feel free to send things directly to the city council at this point since we've already had a first reading it's in two weeks

833
01:07:32,490 --> 01:07:33,890
that we'll take the final vote.

834
01:07:34,410 --> 01:07:36,290
But, you know, I think that's one of the documents

835
01:07:36,290 --> 01:07:39,850
that starts the plan for how we get upstream of this

836
01:07:39,850 --> 01:07:42,830
with a lot more abundant growth in house housing.

837
01:07:47,780 --> 01:07:49,300
Any other comments?

838
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,900
Yeah, I don't see any babies here.

839
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:58,280
I'm kind of disappointed with what if we could encourage babies

840
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,140
and even we would assign them off your baby.

841
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:04,340
Yeah, you want a baby sick?

842
01:08:04,340 --> 01:08:15,920
I would love to babysit right there are there are a few employees in the county or at least one over in the treasurer's office

843
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:33,000
I believe so if you want to go stop by and say hi to a baby now how old is your baby now how old is he almost a

844
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:46,080
really fast. Yeah. Wow. I think public comments, any other public comments? Yes. Just just

845
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:53,220
real quick. I have two experiences with adult family homes. Both of them are residential

846
01:08:53,220 --> 01:09:00,260
and I just looked up. You don't need to be special zone to have a adult family home. Right.

847
01:09:00,260 --> 01:09:13,280
I think what Paul was talking to specifically if we wanted to use it as a hospice care or provide skilled nursing care on site that there's a sort of level of, yeah.

848
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:28,340
But, you know, there's the, we have a national, there's a council on that that do talk about hospice in adult family home, so I was going to tap that information as well.

849
01:09:28,340 --> 01:09:32,100
Yeah. Thank you. Next,

850
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,180
I'm just going back to the wait list question.

851
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,740
Lindsey's totally right. We have a crisis on our hands.

852
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,900
And I know people that are on the wait list that can't get a place to stay.

853
01:09:49,740 --> 01:09:52,280
Why are we housing people from out of calm County?

854
01:09:53,380 --> 01:09:54,120
From California?

855
01:09:56,530 --> 01:09:57,810
I'm not. Yeah.

856
01:09:57,810 --> 01:10:04,870
Well, and so I think it might be helpful to identify what weightless this is and how

857
01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:05,450
it functions.

858
01:10:05,870 --> 01:10:10,350
I mean, maybe from Debbie Tash, from Peninsula Housing Authority.

859
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:16,130
Yeah, it's Serenity House Peninsula Housing Authority, Healthy Families, Peninsula Behavior,

860
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:16,550
Health.

861
01:10:17,150 --> 01:10:18,350
So is this the by name?

862
01:10:19,150 --> 01:10:24,230
No, this is from when I pulled a rip this report together.

863
01:10:24,230 --> 01:10:29,930
I send out to all the agencies and ask them to give me their weightless number.

864
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:33,390
Okay, and that weightless number goes into this report.

865
01:10:34,030 --> 01:10:40,090
So as far as I know from being a provider in Jefferson County and having been a provider

866
01:10:40,090 --> 01:10:47,910
in Clawham County, probably about 90% if not more people that are housed within this

867
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:48,890
county or from this county.

868
01:10:49,150 --> 01:10:52,830
If they come from out of counties because they have family connections out here or they're

869
01:10:52,830 --> 01:10:58,250
following a job out here, but a good majority of the people that we house here are from here.

870
01:10:59,350 --> 01:11:05,230
These lists are years long. They may have been here, signed up on the list, but only able to find

871
01:11:05,230 --> 01:11:11,690
someplace else to live, but still want to go back. So there's that, too. It's in being impossible

872
01:11:11,690 --> 01:11:18,790
to like, to where are you from? Why are we here? We used to gather like, what was your last

873
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:24,510
permanent address in our data and what we found was 90% of the people came from here.

874
01:11:24,990 --> 01:11:31,570
It's still 10%. Is there a prioritization for being local, depending on your place and list, or is it just your place and list?

875
01:11:31,870 --> 01:11:34,410
Most depending on the program, right?

876
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:41,310
The depending on the program, if you're looking at low barrier and permanent supportive housing, the prioritization is the need.

877
01:11:41,310 --> 01:11:49,870
I think a lot of us move to where we think our lives are going to benefit the most, and I think

878
01:11:49,870 --> 01:11:58,510
regardless of having a home or being homeless, that is a human thing. We see what's going to

879
01:11:58,510 --> 01:12:05,210
benefit us and our family. I came out here because my children and I was fleeing domestic violence,

880
01:12:05,370 --> 01:12:10,850
and I came out here because I knew he wouldn't follow me, and I came out from Seattle, and I worked

881
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:19,530
done a house for a half rent with no water, just to survive out here. But I think that I understand

882
01:12:19,530 --> 01:12:23,950
where you're coming from, especially if you know people. I know it's very frustrating because I

883
01:12:23,950 --> 01:12:28,450
have people that I work with that have been waiting and trying to navigate this process for like five

884
01:12:28,450 --> 01:12:34,570
years. And it's got to be frustrating when it feels like people who haven't been here waiting.

885
01:12:35,470 --> 01:12:40,130
But we don't know where people come from either, right? What kind of situations they're coming out

886
01:12:40,130 --> 01:12:45,550
hear from and what they are having to why they chose to be here and I think in most cases

887
01:12:45,550 --> 01:12:51,910
people are looking to improve their lives. I have totally appreciate the situational differences

888
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:58,110
of many people across the country but we have you know we look at our budgets we look at what's

889
01:12:58,110 --> 01:13:04,230
available we're talking about how HUD is changing funding there's only a limited amount resources

890
01:13:04,230 --> 01:13:12,050
and I would advocate to focusing those resources on our citizens in Calm Gunny.

891
01:13:12,650 --> 01:13:13,710
Thank you.

892
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:20,680
My observation as a renter, you know, I've always been one.

893
01:13:21,460 --> 01:13:25,320
I'm from Alaska, which is a state where the landlord, tenant law,

894
01:13:25,620 --> 01:13:28,420
is strongly biased in favor of landlords.

895
01:13:29,340 --> 01:13:31,600
And they can run roughshod over yet.

896
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:33,960
They can put your stuff out in the street.

897
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:40,020
Washington state, on the other hand, is a state that's highly biased in favor of dead

898
01:13:40,020 --> 01:13:45,520
beat tenants, and they rule the rules, especially the way they did during the pandemic.

899
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,580
And that's why rents have gone up the way they are.

900
01:13:49,220 --> 01:13:55,160
And what we have to have is equity between landlord and tenant, so that people of good intentions

901
01:13:55,160 --> 01:14:01,400
can do business instead of this imbalance of power one way or another, because it always

902
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:10,760
shows. If I could just speak to this really quickly, we do have people that live here and move

903
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:17,020
out of here to go get assistance into other communities and we have paid for them to move.

904
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:21,000
We've paid for people to move to California. We've paid for people to move from

905
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:26,300
Clawham to Jefferson County and from Jefferson County to Clawham. I don't

906
01:14:26,300 --> 01:14:44,820
So in my observation, and it may be skewed because I am a provider now and happen for 13 years, but I, in my opinion, the difference isn't as stark as it may seem.

907
01:14:44,820 --> 01:14:55,300
And I, you know, I have a couple of comments that when you talk about where landlord ten

908
01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:59,740
of laws are tonight on the news or tonight, city of Tacoma.

909
01:15:00,500 --> 01:15:30,480
The council for the city of Tacoma is reviewing the tenant bill of rights. They're going to be looking at issues as to, you know, bad apples and some of those things. Waving housing authority, the Tacoma housing authority from the tenant bill of rights. So there's going to be an interesting discussion that Tacoma has tonight with what's going on. The other thing is I have to give a shout out to Viola and her

910
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:39,560
staff at the art walk Friday night squim. I got she hired a great community person got

911
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:47,580
Robin back here some stuff and the blue hole gallery look for the squim warming shelter at the

912
01:15:47,580 --> 01:15:52,980
Piscopal Church and the safe park. The staff will be there Friday night from five to eight I believe.

913
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:59,500
So we'll be doing kind of a benefit type thing and introducing and talking about what they're doing.

914
01:15:59,500 --> 01:16:01,240
So I think that'd be a great thing.

915
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:02,960
I told Robin.

916
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:05,840
Robin asked, I said, yes, I'm going to go.

917
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,760
And so that's just kind of those are the two problems today.

918
01:16:10,340 --> 01:16:10,660
Thank you.

919
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:11,200
Thank you.

920
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:14,280
Anyone else?

921
01:16:17,260 --> 01:16:20,320
Motion to adjourn?

922
01:16:20,580 --> 01:16:21,760
adjourn then.

923
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:22,060
Thank you.

924
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:25,420
Thank you.

925
01:16:25,540 --> 01:16:26,100
Thank you everyone.

926
01:16:26,100 --> 01:16:26,580
Thank you very much.