I'd like to call the meeting to order, please. And welcome guests and people that want to speak. This is third time. First, we do, you'll come in introductions. We want to go around the room.
You get to start. Sorry. I went in the middle of a message.
I'm sorry, guys. It has been a long day and a long week already, even though it's just Tuesday.
I'll aware, director of housing and community development will be gone.
Sure, Megard, so many of you have been directed.
Christine Dunn, behavioral health and homelessness program coordinator for Clown Family.
Yes, I'm told to help you in your service.
Yeah, not in our city of Sweden.
Caleb Anderson, business community,
Charlie Connorey, law and justice.
Sarah McBride, Healthy Families Program Manager.
Sandra Allen, Peninsula Behavioral Health,
and the Supervisor of Forensic Programs.
Jeff Moore, from all over the world.
Can I turn you to our online thoughts?
Yes, I'm following.
Stay now you want to go first?
Sure.
Hi.
I'm Dana Ward, a tribal council member for the Jansk Lowne Tribe Alternate,
sitting in for Lonnie and Gretenger today.
Thank you.
Thank you, Dana.
I see you, Johnnie.
Good afternoon, everybody.
My name is Johnnie Anchor.
I'm the Consolidated Veteran Service Representative with Work Source of Claw and Jefferson County.
Thank you, Johnnie.
Sherry.
Sherry Tinker, Executive Director for Sarge's Veteran Support.
Thank you, Sherry.
Christy Smith, United Way of Clown County.
Please, Christy.
And I also see Joyce.
Joyce may not be able to unmute yet.
Joyce Stewart is also online.
And then I just saw that Debbie just joined.
Maybe you want to introduce yourself real quick.
Well, WTESH is also online, might not be able to unmute at this moment.
Oh, Joyce, I see your unmute and would you like to introduce yourself?
Can you hear me?
Yes.
Okay.
I'm on my phone because I couldn't get the computer to boot up quick enough.
So I'm here.
Thanks, Joyce.
I appreciate you being here.
Yeah.
Okay, I think we captured all of our members request for modifications for the agenda.
We do have one for the agenda. We're going to postpone the annual report discussion. Sharon did provide a copy of it for those who want to review it before again.
In lieu of discussion that Sharon and Biola both want to discuss with us and those are some changes that are happening with HUD.
That will be affecting probably most folks.
Well, I will begin here.
So, changed to the agenda to include the discussion of housing service, Sturkey POC.
I have a motion for the agenda.
Second.
All in favor.
So, has everybody received and reviewed the minutes from the last maybe, up to, I guess you did both.
There's a mistake and there should be October 7th.
No, there is the 5th and 7th, isn't it?
Yes, yes, that's fine.
It's important.
Sorry.
So, do we have any changes to those minutes?
If not, do I have a motion to approve the minutes from August 5th and October 7th?
Point clarification.
Lizzie Schroenwar and Port Angel City Council member.
I'm sitting in for Amy Miller.
I just want to make sure.
Yes.
Okay.
There was an agent.
I just double check.
Oh, yeah.
Thank you.
I'll make a motion to approve the October meeting minutes.
Second, let's see.
We have a motion on the second. All in favor.
Hi.
So public comments.
I'll go with no one else's.
So I'm Brad Griffith.
I may have been up here before and it probably won't be the last time you're seeing me in.
I'm Brad Griffith.
I produce emergency housing shelters.
So I've been into this five years, I'll let you pass it around.
You could poke at it, but this is a cross section of our wall panel.
There are sandwich panels or set panes.
They come fully plywood on the inside and exterior plywood on the outside.
I've been stalling a little bit.
We just erected our first building on my property.
They come in four foot sections.
So they're designed to fit in a pickup truck or a van to design for two men, three men to
assemble to bring through a house or around the backyard where you can't plant a red
shed or get equipment in the backyard.
So primarily what I'm after is just a quick intro if you ever want to see the full mock-up
and talk more, but these I'm looking at being able for you and I citizen to plant these
in the backyard to take care of our friend family or foe. So that is my deal if we can
know solution is going to be the solution but if we add solutions maybe we can
draw down some of the counties and cities obligations to actually build a billage
and plant individual buildings and people's backyard.
So if you ever want to chat about what I do
and what I've been doing for five years,
to make this all happen, my parts, please remain there.
This is just a cross section of the building
so you can see the pattern.
And also, they are not inspected by Ellen.
I've chatted with all of the Kings, so to speak, from L&I and set panels are not inspected.
Thank you.
Thank you so much. Thank you.
Structurally insulated. So any other public comments?
Yes.
I just moved and I interacted with the housing authority and with the HRC.
and so it was so professional and that's the dishes and it was a deal I was really worried about
till it all came together at the last minute and I feel like I hit the lottery even though my
body's killing me from the move but I'd like to enter into the record the names of some very
professional people that helped me along with you know and maybe with Julie and Angela and
first and it just went like clockwork and then I was waiting for the bus you
know to just get out of you know at my age or see appointment in front of the
main shelter and it just the great it hasn't looked that good since 2011
Sharon you're really bringing out the best in people I mean it looks great out
there and so I'm a pretty happy camper this meeting and that's great congratulations
I'm just trying to figure something out on this report. I saw this when it first came out.
So the point in time counts are for 2020-310 with 176 unsheltered.
But the waiting list for the various
housing units or 4,000 and almost 4,500.
I don't understand that. And maybe it's a simple
question, but there's an estimated 150 unsheltered, 176, I'm sorry. And the waiting list for housing
is 4,500. Where are these people coming from in general? And most of them are looking for
one bedroom studio. Can some of you reconcile those numbers for me?
Well, a lot of the people are living at couch surfing. There's a lot of people at couch
surfing. There's a lot of people that are especially with municipal housing authority.
Some of those people are in housing right now with their applying for lower cost housing.
So those are the number of people that are out looking for a place to move.
Is that a rolling list?
Is it updated?
It's updated.
It's all people from, it's all local folks living here already.
Wow.
Do we maybe able to, yeah, please, Debbie, I, sorry about that I'm having some computer issues.
So, that does not represent just people living in Clawham County.
We don't—anybody can apply for our housing.
Some of our numbers may actually be a little bit skewed because people may have applied
for more than one waiting list.
My system doesn't have a way of ferreting them out and showing which ones are duplicates.
So, the numbers are very well probably skewed a bit.
Okay, thanks Debbie. So, how many of that 4,500 would you say are duplicates and how many
are not from Ballham County? I could not tell you how many are not from
Collham County. Our agency serves Collham and Jefferson, and like I said, anybody can apply
from anywhere. It's not unusual to have people living in California apply to live here.
I can't tell you what are duplicates, I mean, I could, I could guesstimate, but that's all that it would be, would be a guesstimate.
Would you estimate that more than half are from Clawham County?
I could do more work.
Probably, but again, that is just a guesstimate.
I could probably look into it and see if I can sort the wait list by zip code and get back to you all, but right now I could not tell you for certain.
Okay, I'll leave my contact information here if you could do that. Thank you.
Sure, you're welcome.
If I could just add a comment that for our shelter whenever we have a vet that comes to our program, we refer them to everywhere they apply every property the housing authority has.
So there you will be duplicates, every single person will be on their three or four times depending on what criteria they hit.
We do the same thing.
Yeah, same with us.
So anyone else?
I don't see anyone online.
Yeah, so for the position vacancies we just have a couple at the moment, Washington State
Department of Social and Health Services Representative and Tribal Government Representative
for Lower Elwaklown Tribe, Billy Tribe, and McCaw Tribe.
We also have two more that will be cropping up at the end of this year that are kind of
swallowing off the list here.
And that will be for faith community representative.
And I believe the other is formerly homeless,
if I'm not mistaken, but those two will be coming available.
So they'll be an advertisement period
where those positions will be advertised in the paper.
And but if you know anybody,
if you have anybody that might be interested in that position,
either one of those positions, please send them my way.
We'll get them the application
and help them get that file, then go from here.
All right, supplemental.
Yeah, so next up is our supplemental document reporting fee.
So if you guys remember, we received additional document reporting
from Washington Commerce to kind of backfill some of the shortages
that we've seen across the state for this funding pool.
and I'm going to share my screen here, so this probably will look familiar.
We reassemble the review committee from this past funding cycle, the 2025-2027 funding
cycle, to kind of go over this additional funding that we received and allocate it in the most
equitable fashion. The review committee reconvened on September 3rd to provide those recommendations
for this additional funding. The total that we received from the Washington Commerce was $445,167.
And that is for state fiscal year 2025-2026 only. These funds will be used to enhance
The original approved funding amounts from the State fiscal year 2025 through 2026. And then additionally, we're applicable. The funds will be applied first prior to the use of local dollars so that we're saving our local dollars to utilize in the future. Before the subcommittee reconvened, we did contact each of the funded agencies to identify their current funding shortfalls for that funding cycle of 2025 through 2026. And then share that information with the subcommittee.
Just as a reminder, these funds are allowable to be used on specifically the homeless housing and assistance and the affordable housing funds or allowable uses on the RCW.
So it's the same things, the same allowable uses that this board does against funding for already, just a different source of funding.
So just to kind of go through this, I know we've got a lot on the agenda today, but to kind of just touch base on this pretty much all of the agencies have been fully funded in year one unless they specified that they did not need the full amount that they requested that they've been able to raise those funds elsewhere.
So, just to kind of go through it real quick,
show Trinity United Methodist Church,
they're safe parking program, they receive
an additional 18, or it's recommended
that they receive an additional 18,780 in year 1.
Serenity House for the shelter AIDS,
they are recommended to receive an additional
70,000 for that first year.
Taffy for the Starfleet operations
would receive an additional 5,000
part of 58. They are other program bridging the gap would receive 18,142.
Mayor Posahouse would receive an additional 18,723 dollars and 60 cents.
Boys and girls club would receive an additional 43,366.
Sarge's place would receive an additional 20,000 and Healthy Families would receive an additional
22,677.
Again, this would fund them for all these agencies with the exception of the House for their
full asking amount for year one.
And then for the affordable housing funds, healthy families, I would receive an additional
$11,926.35, Sarge's would receive an additional $34,209, and it's a housing authority would
receive an additional $35,000.
And so that makes all of them grateful asking for the first year with the exception of Sarge's
I believe in that year and I think that Sherry had found
additional funding elsewhere.
That's pretty much it.
So after today's vote here, this will be moved along to the
Commissioners and then contracts will be also amended and
presented to the County Commissioners in December.
This is a reminder.
This wasn't we attempted to present this and have a vote at the
last meeting, but there was no quorum.
So that's why we're a little behind the schedule here.
and there's such a way to have this meeting between the review committee and then presenting it here.
So it'll be a quick turnaround with the commissioners and, you know, is there a question because of a motion to approve.
I appreciate you all being here today. I think it would be very challenging when there's no quorum and business on that, especially when funding hinges on it. These agencies are waiting for that one. So I appreciate it.
Let's do it. Five, we're done. You guys are still up. All right. I'm going to share this screen.
We've seen if you want to just kind of talk about the item itself. I deeply apologize for folks
looking at it online or in the room. It is challenging to see from here. We will be sending out
electronic version of this for everybody to review as well, so that being said,
I'll let Christine explain what we're looking at here. So our five-year plan
that we had put into place earlier in the year was lacking a little bit of
guidance really, and as far as what was the priority, what was the priority, what
we have funding for now, what do we not have funding for and is kind of on the wish list
if you will.
So the commissioners asked us to put together a way to track how we're going to address
this, which ones are we going to attack first, which ones are on the back burner, we received
funding, we'll tackle them.
So that's what this document essentially is.
It's all of the key strategies and the action steps and then we kind of rated them on their
priority level according to funding available and how important it was to get that type of project
rolling. We did put some due dates. We changed a few of the due dates that were in here because
most of these things started at the beginning or the I'm sorry the fall of this year and it just
is not in the cards that we can get all of these things off the ground and started at one time. So
So we did play around with the dates,
none of those are hard and fast.
So when we send this out,
I really would like your feedback,
your thoughts, what looks right,
what looks like it's a pie in the sky dream
or what we maybe could tackle.
That isn't, you know,
kind of listed as a priority on here.
So this will be a living document.
And this is what we're going to utilize
to mark our progress and report back to Washington Commerce.
So, this will be, you know, the nuts and bolts of it.
It's pretty unwieldy at the moment right now,
and when we're actually working with it,
we can shrink some of these columns and boxes,
so we just have a, you know, a title and a due date,
so we know what we're working with.
So, it's a bit customizable in that way,
but so, I just wanted to kind of bring it to everyone's attention.
It's together, it's in one place,
we're going to send it out and ask for your feedback.
When does that have to go to commerce?
us. It doesn't necessarily have to. We will send it to commerce. I think once it's maybe a little bit
with the reports, I think might be the wise thing to do so that we can show what we've been
working on and how we're doing it. But this was something that was specifically asked for from the
commissioners. So yeah, one place view you should act and review and for us all to kind of hopefully
we in a more combined way be able to see the strategies and the goals and then where they're
lying in the priority level and what funding source that might come from or if outside funding is
needing to be sought for those things. So it's broken out into different colors for each of the
objective, the main objectives, but we're happy to receive any feedback on how the document is laid
out, or any edits to the meat of the document as well. Nice work, guys. Yeah, nice job. Thank you.
It was long.
Yeah, and the process itself I wish had gone a little bit different, so I think that
this will help us going forward and being able to track
and assess how things are going.
And something we can use five years from now, too.
When we're doing it again.
Well, you know, it goes into our annual report
Nice to Congress.
So it's really nice that you have something
that's comparable to what we're doing in the housing solutions.
So I think it just makes it looks like a nice product.
Thank you.
Is by way of celebration, is there anything in the due date column for the fall of 25 that's been completed?
Not completed, but we have been talking, we've started the process on the tiny homes discussion and that is a big piece of this.
There's more work to be done in that arena, but it is definitely where we've got the ball rolling.
There are some other things that were listed as starting in the fall, but again, I don't
really think that's realistic, so we've pushed them out a little bit.
We've got five years, so we can start each of these kind of, but again, when you're looking
at this document, if you feel like something needs to be pushed up or you have other thoughts,
let me know.
And we'll assess at that point.
So fiscal year 24 or 25.
So we're going to actually, I've put this.
So this is the fiscal year 2024, 2025 expenditure report.
So every year we put out what was spent of the funding that we had the year before.
And it will be available on the website.
I'm also going to send it to you guys on the table here as well so you can review.
you. But in light of the sessions today, we figured rather than go through the whole
document, it would be easier for people to let you guys look at it on your own time.
And if there are any errors or things you feel as though need a correction, please let
me know. But it will also be available on the website as well.
Thank you. Yes. So, um, this is us, I guess.
Yes, we've attended a meeting at the bells of state yesterday, which is about to move
some of our 230 and 240 or this evening, I think it was.
And some of the things that they are doing with our rapid rehousing and some of our programming
and they being HUD are really changing a lot of our paradigms. I'm making sure how to say it.
Is this maybe it might be helpful to explain the balance of state what it is and how it functions
for maybe folks who want to have better than that? I can use that. Because the balance of state is all
of the communities that are not the the corridor of Snoholish, Pierce and King County. So it's all the
remaining counties is what is considered the balance of states. I represent County County on
that balance of state and yesterday they had some votes on things that HUD is pushing
down to all of the communities that will change a how we are funded and be how we are ranked
and rated and and see put a limit on permanent supported housing in 30 percent but I'm not exactly
sure how that goes. There's a significant shift from permanent housing to transitional housing.
which comes with a lot of complications.
So, currently, balances state permanent,
supportive housing takes up about 82% of that fund.
They're limiting it to 30%.
So.
Is the federal.
Yes, so what they're doing,
so there's three options that are available.
There is a nofo that came out.
the RFP just dropped for new projects, and those are due by the 15th of this month, so the
window is this small. And the new, if you want to start a new project, it will be transitional
housing. It will come with requisites, for example. You cannot, as an agency, have a history
of supporting gender conformity. They are going to look at your social media, and you will
be graded lower due to that. You will be required. You will have to require people to work full-time.
If they don't work full-time, you are going to be required to require of your clients 40 hours of
case management or treatment or some kind of social services. Now, when we look at, when I talk about
that 30%. That means every permanent supportive housing that is funded by HUD gets limited to that.
So only the top scorers in the ratings for that section will make it. Leaving the rest of the balance
of state to either draw straws and who gets funded and who doesn't, or reallocate all of their funds
to become transitional housing regardless of what happens.
Right now there is, the vote was just,
we have some ability for some of those scoring
to wait differently, some of that,
adjust the weights to some of that scoring.
But what that still leaves is because permanent supportive housing
and rapid rehousing, which is also permanent housing,
are in the same category to compete for that 30% spot.
And so what the vote that is going to be coming via email is are we as a steering committee going to prioritize permanent supportive housing and
reallocate all the rapid rehousing which moves people into permanent housing from homelessness to transitional housing.
Go ahead.
But is the federal definition of transitional housing?
time-limited housing for two years, it considered shelter, so you were moving people from permanent
housing to shelter, a shelter definition which will completely
You
You are a point in time, camp, in addition to, if you have people in permanent supportive housing, and you now have to renew that as transitional housing, you are not allowed to keep the people who are in permanent supportive housing to move them from that to transitional housing. In addition, sorry, there was so much yesterday, and it really hurt as a provider knowing that the impact this is going to
have on our people with these requirements and also how different states are going to be
graded differently as well. And the other part of that is that, for example, on my properties,
I have a deed restriction that says that must be permanent supportive housing until 2054.
and if that, so I really can't change it to transitional housing, but transitional
housing was counted in the pit gout last year. So now we have all these people that
were moving to transitional housing that were permanent were housed, and now they're
technically unhoused. Also the instruction from HUD in order to be transitional housing.
We cannot allow it reasoning behind this. I still have to puzzle out.
Because what we were told during the steering committee meeting yesterday was that HUD advises
that the provider be the leaseholder. And then we move people in and their belief was that this would
Avert tenant landlord laws, which it does not.
People who don't have a lease and pay rent also
are protected by landlord tenant laws.
So the purpose of requiring a provider
to be the lease holder, I'm not sure,
where that comes from, but that is going to be a requirement.
Sure, and I thought at some point,
you said that your, at least part of your facility
had a two-year time limit.
it was the my mis-remembering. So we have a quiet agreement with 10 units that belong to Olympic,
can you help me out there? I think it was something about the sheltering meditation.
That's a tax definition. Okay, so that court hasn't changed. I'm talking about the other part
what you're using at your lease agreement is that it's permanent for something.
Yeah.
So, for example, Maloney Heights, Evergreen, and Sunville are all considered permanent
supportive housing, and they're 30% AMI with the disability and 11 months homeless.
us. So if I turn all of those over to temporary housing, then they become almost again, right?
Technically. I mean, the current residents have to move because you're taking me non-sue back.
Yeah, you're not making it back to someone from being house to being temporary house.
So I must have known that this was going to happen. I mean, they're a huge percentage across the
country, you know, are in these permanent places. And what, you know, here it was all, did
they do this on purpose like we want to throw all these people out, or do they have something
else in mind?
I don't know. So there's no additional funding coming to fill the gaps there. Yeah. But the
The other thing that I can tell you is for those of you that like to write letters and
to support things, it's time that we do something like that, but there's also a loss that
is coming up between Congress to HUD.
So that's something that all of us should be aware of is that Congress is doing HUD for
these changes. So this is that we're 20 or 25 states have joined yep the
Trinity's general of trying yep but it's the December 15th deadline it doesn't
change it right now and yeah we have to move forward to for example my renewals
for YHDP are in the balance of this.
So I have people that are currently on a lease with using funds from YHDP.
That's a youth grant.
Yeah, it's a youth grant. Sorry.
Thank you.
I need to translate it all the time.
So that grant, I have people that are leasing and being paid.
there are at least landlords are being paid by this grant and the end of the grant is
a lot and it doesn't automatically renew anymore so we have to apply for that
bridge and while we apply for that we also have to say that we're no longer
going to use rapid rehousing funds to pay for this rent and we have to
to renegotiate with all the criteria of that person.
Well, also, so the RFP that was released
are for new grants.
So none of these renewals for our existing programs.
Can we, unless that we end up applying for a new program
for some of those permanent supportive housing units
or after rehousing that didn't go through?
The other two options, so if we renew
or if we reallocate is a whole different process that hasn't been released yet and the HUD system
that we enter those renewals and reallocations is not open yet. Yeah, it's not open yet. So, I mean,
it's kind of a complete mess, but in the same brought this as our response to homelessness and
they're reclassifying people that are permanently housed and to temporary housing, which also becomes
homeless. It seems like all the things that we've worked for for the last three or four years to
get people housed is no longer valid. So the awareness of this team is really important.
It also puts our HUD funding puts us in direct opposition of our COC Commerce Guidelines
in mandates.
So I think you guys say to you that you'll have to move the people that are already housed
out of.
Yes.
So if I reclassify the building, I do.
So I'm on a hard no on that and what that means to me, no.
Well, if I go hard to know on that, what that means to me is I have to figure out a way
to fund the sites.
I would only get so much prevention funding, and you can't.
Good.
I have an idea.
So you said currently 80% of the funds go to the permanent housing, and you can do an award
in 30.
So, you pick 30, the 30% you want to stay, and then the rest, you have to sign new leases.
They're not support.
It's providers in programs.
30% of the permanent housing programs are going to pass.
So, you're talking surrounding the house would not go in by the landlord.
People needs to surround the house so that we would be occupancy agreements.
kind of like how an Oxford House works. Right? That's how they, they were. So then the thing is, is you'd have to use the transitional housing funds to pay that landlord.
So the agency would have to be paying for that spot, whether someone's occupying here at all.
Yeah.
And the ones below any heights.
Probably in those other ones.
We can.
Okay.
So you could sell them.
They trust.
Sell them to a trust.
And then they have.
So they have rent.
It from the trust.
And then you rent to that out to the tenants.
And they can't stay in the same unit.
Then you rename the units.
And you go.
Okay.
Before.
Our baloney heights here, this was, you get one off and one, now it's ABC.
And then people don't have to move.
And they're renting from Serenity House.
And I'd really like to see you cut sniff that out.
And then if they had a problem with that, try to prevail in court, I think you could do
that.
I'm not going to do it for you because I don't want to do any of that.
No, but those are the kinds of things that we need to come up with in order to survive
the next three years.
I mean, that's just reality.
Well, that and we're going to have to reinforce boots on the ground and the people that are
saying tarmo is vulnerable, who will eventually end up back on the street.
How many for the housing in place that are we talking about, or are we talking about?
Well, permanent supportive housing for me is 61.
That's how many units I have.
But then you've got an 85% fund going down to 30%.
So that's not all of your...
No, I think when this first came out, I have to look up the estimate.
They believed that this would displace about 170,000 people.
the board says, because the
RAPınry who's the housing
program is there included in
that permit housing number.
Yes, you're not just talking
about units, you're talking
about you're also a gallery
programs that we have that are
blended to live which help we
assist people's in southern
sites throughout the community,
which there all isn't it.
Also pays landlords rental
assistance. Yeah yeah.
Is in the 30% yeah.
I'm
sure that you have any idea what the chances are that there will be an injunction from this long films over one and only likely.
The plan stinks the high heaven and I can't imagine the injunctions certainly.
I mean, it was a public, I'm not as familiar with it.
I will look into it, but it's just preposterous.
It's also removable with the housing first model.
There'll be work requirements, there'll be sobriety requirements,
and they're going to prioritize what they said today,
the meetings with NOVA's command those priorities for
for those sites that are pre-builders per minute,
that they have the medical services and stuff
in the site already.
Oh, yeah, the other thing is there's going to be,
we're going to be required to partner with law enforcement.
Yeah, it was a lot to digest yesterday afternoon.
And I really, obviously, haven't digested everything that there is to digest there.
It's kind of like eating an elephant.
But again, we just wanted you guys to be aware that we're having issues.
Well, and go ahead, sorry.
Yeah, maybe just to say the unspoken part of some of those comments is that Hermann's
part of housing is what most cost-effective means that we have for housing people with severe
disabilities who would otherwise be out in the street and nobody's ill will take care
of them.
Way more cost-effective than having law enforcement responding every day to that person's
needs.
And the ER, right, like the jail in the ER, the most expensive places for people to stay.
The most part of housing is cheapness in our continuing care model.
And it is a direct attack on housing first, which is the idea that if we get people who need
wrap around services house, it's a lot easier wrap those services around.
And housing first is effective about 70% of the time.
So not for everybody, like some people still aren't able to make that work,
but it's way more effective than like housing readiness, which is like, well, first get sober,
and then we'll give you housing, and that works for maybe 30% people.
So we're taking the most cost effective, like most efficient part of our housing system
and saying, oh, that's not what we want, even though that's an improvement over decades
to be highly effective. And, you know, this is the hypocrisy of the Trump regime is they're
going to doge government efficiency, but they're really like taking the most efficient thing
out from address. And put numbers to that. So the Journal of American Medical Association
did a cost analysis of a permanent supported housing in Seattle for chronically homeless
alcoholics and people were not required to be in recovery in order to get that housing.
And the cost analysis identified that this cohort of 90 people cost the city 8.9 million
dollars in a year prior.
Emergency cost, emergency shelter, court fees, jail time, and once they
entered that cost went down by 60 percent within the first six months and continued to go down.
While in housing, a lot of those people's drinking also decreased. The cost savings of running
the program, they thought was going to be about a million a year, it ended up being about two
million a year. So if we want to put some numbers to that plus having a big
In having provided direct service to our folks that are out camping, that are struggling with mental health, and SUD, I can say it is far more traumatic and detrimental for somebody to go into treatment when there is no housing when they come out. You're traumatizing them and the returns just go shoot down. Yeah, it's heartbreaking for me when we drop somebody off from a sobriety session at the
shelter because they go right back is that 30 days or 60 days that they spend getting
clean and sober the minute they're dropped back off at my shelter they're right back
where they started and you know we try to catch that before it happens but it happens
four times than that. So, you know, that's all just sound stuff. But back to where you were
talking about efficiency in permanent supportive housing. One person in any one of my programs
cost us about $8,800 a year.
When they're in permit support of housing,
a versus what is the cost if they were living in shelter?
26, 22 and 9.
So, you
can carry this to see.
So, I mean, the pendulum has swung
physically in housing.
I mean, there was a push to eliminate emergency shelter
at one point.
But, did you do that?
I have $26 per 9368,000 is $9,490.
So if we rather give something apartment or have them sleep and hungry at shelter.
And then all the additional community cost from somebody is outside of the shelter.
The biggest thing is going to be to the families that are on these programs.
There's a lot of our rapid re-housing programs are directly helping families because there's
permits for the environment on this individual. So you're going to have a lot of homeless children.
Really quick.
Do you have a current estimate of how many individuals this could potentially
impact in class? No, I haven't got to those numbers. I was busy.
Well, how I chased a few bodies down this morning. I talked to Randy last night and I talked
to Steve Thuringer this morning. I was at the meeting this morning where all the all representatives
were. So I tried to catch that. I've already put out a few letters. And I just wanted to
to make sure that maybe we take on as a team here
to write homelessness task force letter.
And that would be what I would propose
is sign by all of us, or sign by,
on the approval of some of them.
My thought is the current federal administration,
it would also give you a waste of paper
and not that we shouldn't do it,
but I do believe that the two-pronged approach of the lawsuit and I do to participate
in injunction because of the unbelievably dramatic effects if I need to place
And then a plan plans to keep things as they are with what they think are going to be the changes.
So that's my two bits because I don't believe that making a logical argument is going to get us anywhere.
I think they've came up with this on purpose.
It's not a stupidity.
It's designed when you think of what they're doing in Colorado right now.
They built a big tent city and rounded up all their homeless and put them in there for
a work program.
So, you know, it's already, it's already ugly.
And why is this worse than when they were living on tents on the sidewalk?
I don't know if you'll bring with it. I'm fine with that.
I think to your point,
when you make an area like that,
and you say, you're homeless, you have to live there,
you're taking someone's autonomy a choice away from them.
That's why it's worse.
It may not be, it may be a better environment than being on a tent
to sidewalk.
But if someone's choosing that tent on sidewalks, that's their choice.
I don't have a right to take your
advice.
It's not their sidewalk.
I think she may have chosen the sidewalking correctly, but yes, freedom
be placed in an internment camp versus being allowed to find your own
campsite is a world.
And when you force people into an area like that and you make it a you deserve to be here because blah blah blah, you are going to invite abuse.
And you're diminishing their self-worth a lot.
So, I think we're going to beat this topic to that.
He has more to come.
I mean, it isn't like this topic is going to go away today.
But I really wanted to raise everybody's awareness to wig
and make sure that we were all in a position where we can plan around.
I don't know what the ramifications are about for even my own agency right now.
So I will, PS4 to come.
There was a suggestion of a letter coming from the task force.
Yes, please.
If that is an agreement, I think we need a motion in the vote and then we can have the chair
on the board side of that, on behalf of the system.
That's good.
Do we have a motion?
Well, clarification, who would let it be addressed to?
I would assume our state representatives.
Yes.
And the federal congress.
All of the Randall senators, or the entire Washington
delegation is mine.
What I'm hearing from lawmakers at the federal level is they need
to hear the stories of the impacts that aren't there
as the president of the making in communities.
And so, you know, what do we actually expect in cloth count?
Like, there are, you know,
I mean, is it 50, is it 100 people who cannot live
on their own, who are currently housed,
who will be ejected from housing because of this policy?
And that's what we're, I mean, those concrete
source of what they need to be able to advocate at the level of that.
But the other side of that is, is they actually have to tell us what the rules are before
I can make those determinations.
I mean, it's hard to, because you're asking me to guess what they're going to do, and
guess what they're, what edics they're going to push down.
So I mean, I can do that on a 30, 50, 75 percent, but, you know,
I think through the best of your ability, like based on what we know today, it doesn't
cause this.
But also we know that part of the Trump regime strategy is the uncertainty, and so they're
not going to give you an event, so it's not a spot.
Exactly.
I mean, we've only had two weeks to figure out how we're going to rewrite all of our grants
to sheet it up, for example.
I've got three of those.
So, I mean, if we have to go out and figure out what the impacts are, we're not going
to be able to move on that very quickly.
And that's the other part.
I think just the horror stories that you gave today should be enough, like if they do this,
this is what would have a letter to all of the.
Okay. So the the whole question federal
affiliation had our local
proposal. I'll draft it. I'll help.
I would also include AG Nick Brown,
CC Nick on that and say, you know what?
Here's real, here's the street view of what this is doing.
Who was that then? AG Nick Brown. Yeah.
And you know, I mean,
if you look at what happens when people are
we're living on the street, just one statistic,
which is stark enough, a woman living unsheltered,
has a 35 year last life expectancy
than our house counterparts.
So do I have a motion for the committee to draft a letter
to the representatives?
And a authorization for the Chair of the Board to sign.
That's alright.
So next agenda item.
Yeah.
So the next agenda item is.
Balancing the state continuum of care.
Representative for the 20 26.
Twenty 27 term.
So that's been shared.
So the Department of Commerce will
reached out to us requesting who that voting member means, we have CARES here in
committee will be. It's currently Sharon. So Sharon has also volunteered to do
this again. I don't know are you willing to do it again? Sure. So we need to vote
on that to move Sharon forward as our representative. So moved.
Thank you.
Hey, the only time I've ever had a hard time doing that music was yesterday.
So.
Oh, I am.
Okay.
So, and I'll try to make this quick as I know we're slightly the late schedule.
So we have some capacity building funding that we have been granted, and we have some
funding as a cap to coming up in April that we can utilize to support people experiencing
homelessness in both Jefferson and Klaala.
I have a two-pronged approach. I have one approach that we're going to be looking at in Jefferson.
In Clawham, we really want to look at exploring the ability to create a skilled nursing facility for people experiencing homelessness.
Eventually, this would be long-term care that would also provide dementia care and hospice care.
Currently the need is pretty significant. We would want to make it regional. We have
a really good committee that we've built between with hospital administrators and people
that are working on the ground such as our community paramedics and OVCC.
We have a pretty
good idea of what it looks like. It will be a really tall ask, and if we wanted to look at some
immediate solutions, sort of skilled nursing light, it would be a higher level of care than the
medical respite, of course. We would be looking for home health aids and caregivers to participate,
but also couple it with that social work component that made the medical respite so successful,
and the most cost effective means to implement something right away is a pilot right now we are looking at adult family homes or adult group living homes.
So currently we are gathering the information on properties, local properties, hospital owned properties that might be dual-zoned, which would be amazing if we could get a good deal on that.
if anybody wants to rent me a motel for a dollar a year, that would be awesome.
But that being said, I think this is something that our community has needed for a long time.
I have enough horror stories of my own of our aging population experience and homelessness
and the things that happened such as dementia. And we have seen a few people to the end of their lives
being the only ones that they had coming to visit them in the hospital.
So I'm very excited to embark on this.
It will keep you up to date.
We have Adam Bernbaum as a legislative champion.
So I'm excited to tack what resources I can through Adam
and all of the experts on our panel right now.
We will be
We have a stakeholder meeting so I will probably be reaching out to a majority of our providers. Excited to move forward on this. Just find out the other crazy things happening. Congratulations. Thank you.
There may be some properties owned by the hospital that are zoned for residential and otherwise so like houses that would have been a specialty care location
so that we might be able to utilize for providing medical care on site.
Do you have any specific asks for this group right now or just staying engaged?
Staying engaged, because I think once we are able to identify a property,
then that's where you'll probably hit the road.
Thank you.
So, future agenda items?
Yeah, so we have a list of things here, so food bank presentation on food security.
We had once talked about having a Salvation Army Discussion, I think folks were kind of
curious as to what's going on with the Salvation Army.
And we've also had some requests for our presentation from Colleen McLear on prevailing wage.
And then having the therapeutic board to come and just give us a presentation on what
shaken with them. So those are future items to come if you think of anything that should
be on the agenda coming up, let me know and we'll speak on there.
I think it's pretty easy to say that we'll have some updated information on several of
the things we discussed today including the challenges and maybe also from Biola when things
are coming about for the skilled nursing green potential.
To that end, I'm wondering if to kind of take the load off of you
of having to interpret what's being interpreted to you guys from HUD,
if there is somebody at the state level or something,
the group that is in 20 years, it'll be willing to show up in either.
So how safe the voter is on the balance of state and he lives locally,
I could reach out to him and see if he wouldn't be willing to speak.
Is that Holy Cap's hand?
Yes, he saw his name on there, and I was like, yep, yep.
That's Holy Cap's hand.
That's what he goes in.
Yeah, then you can fully engage in the conversation
rather than feel like it's possible for me and the presenters of it.
That's what he used in.
Yeah, thank you for that explanation of this.
No, thank you.
Got a question.
If we ever had a presentation by the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula
I think when they first started the program, so yeah, we can certainly ask them to, I don't
remember.
I mean, it may have.
I was interested in that one too.
I'm just,
Dr. Punningham, I see your hand is raised, please feel free.
I can hear me, okay?
Yes, it can.
Oh, hey, I just a couple of comments.
I love the idea of expanding services for seniors, et cetera.
But a couple of terms are thrown around.
I just want to comment on skilled nursing facility and or hospice
and just point out that both of those used in the traditional sense
are required certificate of needs.
So as opposed to also I know it was stated adult family home,
which is much less regulatory.
But if we're going to be used in terms skilled nursing facility
in hospice, just someone better be talking about a certificate need with the state before
he gets too far down the road.
Right.
Thank you.
That's it.
Thanks.
So any updates or announcements?
Thank you.
Are you okay?
Yes.
If you haven't already noted in the next paper, or on our website, or Section 8 waiting
list, please start with accepting new applications until the end of Friday.
So a two midnight Friday night, it's on, I'll get on our online portal directions are on our website, it's going to select the HRDM.
And of course we're available for the HRDM.
Thank you.
Thank you, Debbie.
I have a question. Did the Trinity United Methodist Church start the parking program?
So they are up and running, but they have no takers yet.
They have an applicant.
So one of the challenges has been in the budget,
we, when I assisted developing the budget for that,
I made sure there was funds that if somebody
doesn't have the registration, it could be paid for.
They didn't have insurance, it could be paid for it.
The insurance, the church's insurance does not allow vehicles
on site that the occupant doesn't have a registration for and the challenge with that is a lot of
folks living in their cars. Those cars have been gifted from person to person to person and
it's almost impossible to track down like original owners and then get that information, get something
signed off to get that person a registration and I think that has been their biggest challenge but
that they do have, I just saw an email,
they do have an applicant.
Okay.
Can they be in the user funds to get lost title
certificate in order to get the titles
from the video that we are applying?
Possibly if it's a challenge.
We've had people who like have had RVs
where you can't find the person
or there is an existing person who then refuses to sign a bill of sale or a registration.
So it can be pretty complex, but that's fine.
So, you know, here we're dealing with what happens when the rent is too high,
and there's not enough housing for people.
And, you know, the crisis and the lack of indignity that people have,
and almost this in our county.
The county and Port Angeles and Squam
are all working on our comprehensive plans.
Port Angeles, it's not on our agenda tonight to approve it,
but it'll be on our agenda in two weeks.
So it's not too late to get in comments,
feel as well, dual zone, like let's make sure
that we don't continue to repeat the mistakes
we've made of locating our night by night shelter
miles away from the center of town and all the services.
Let's create in our vision of the city a city that you know puts the needs of our forests most at risk community members first and that will help to boost all of us up
So there's an opportunity still to to get comments and feel free to send things directly to the city council at this point since we've already had a first reading it's in two weeks
that we'll take the final vote.
But, you know, I think that's one of the documents
that starts the plan for how we get upstream of this
with a lot more abundant growth in house housing.
Any other comments?
Yeah, I don't see any babies here.
I'm kind of disappointed with what if we could encourage babies
and even we would assign them off your baby.
Yeah, you want a baby sick?
I would love to babysit right there are there are a few employees in the county or at least one over in the treasurer's office
I believe so if you want to go stop by and say hi to a baby now how old is your baby now how old is he almost a
really fast. Yeah. Wow. I think public comments, any other public comments? Yes. Just just
real quick. I have two experiences with adult family homes. Both of them are residential
and I just looked up. You don't need to be special zone to have a adult family home. Right.
I think what Paul was talking to specifically if we wanted to use it as a hospice care or provide skilled nursing care on site that there's a sort of level of, yeah.
But, you know, there's the, we have a national, there's a council on that that do talk about hospice in adult family home, so I was going to tap that information as well.
Yeah. Thank you. Next,
I'm just going back to the wait list question.
Lindsey's totally right. We have a crisis on our hands.
And I know people that are on the wait list that can't get a place to stay.
Why are we housing people from out of calm County?
From California?
I'm not. Yeah.
Well, and so I think it might be helpful to identify what weightless this is and how
it functions.
I mean, maybe from Debbie Tash, from Peninsula Housing Authority.
Yeah, it's Serenity House Peninsula Housing Authority, Healthy Families, Peninsula Behavior,
Health.
So is this the by name?
No, this is from when I pulled a rip this report together.
I send out to all the agencies and ask them to give me their weightless number.
Okay, and that weightless number goes into this report.
So as far as I know from being a provider in Jefferson County and having been a provider
in Clawham County, probably about 90% if not more people that are housed within this
county or from this county.
If they come from out of counties because they have family connections out here or they're
following a job out here, but a good majority of the people that we house here are from here.
These lists are years long. They may have been here, signed up on the list, but only able to find
someplace else to live, but still want to go back. So there's that, too. It's in being impossible
to like, to where are you from? Why are we here? We used to gather like, what was your last
permanent address in our data and what we found was 90% of the people came from here.
It's still 10%. Is there a prioritization for being local, depending on your place and list, or is it just your place and list?
Most depending on the program, right?
The depending on the program, if you're looking at low barrier and permanent supportive housing, the prioritization is the need.
I think a lot of us move to where we think our lives are going to benefit the most, and I think
regardless of having a home or being homeless, that is a human thing. We see what's going to
benefit us and our family. I came out here because my children and I was fleeing domestic violence,
and I came out here because I knew he wouldn't follow me, and I came out from Seattle, and I worked
done a house for a half rent with no water, just to survive out here. But I think that I understand
where you're coming from, especially if you know people. I know it's very frustrating because I
have people that I work with that have been waiting and trying to navigate this process for like five
years. And it's got to be frustrating when it feels like people who haven't been here waiting.
But we don't know where people come from either, right? What kind of situations they're coming out
hear from and what they are having to why they chose to be here and I think in most cases
people are looking to improve their lives. I have totally appreciate the situational differences
of many people across the country but we have you know we look at our budgets we look at what's
available we're talking about how HUD is changing funding there's only a limited amount resources
and I would advocate to focusing those resources on our citizens in Calm Gunny.
Thank you.
My observation as a renter, you know, I've always been one.
I'm from Alaska, which is a state where the landlord, tenant law,
is strongly biased in favor of landlords.
And they can run roughshod over yet.
They can put your stuff out in the street.
Washington state, on the other hand, is a state that's highly biased in favor of dead
beat tenants, and they rule the rules, especially the way they did during the pandemic.
And that's why rents have gone up the way they are.
And what we have to have is equity between landlord and tenant, so that people of good intentions
can do business instead of this imbalance of power one way or another, because it always
shows. If I could just speak to this really quickly, we do have people that live here and move
out of here to go get assistance into other communities and we have paid for them to move.
We've paid for people to move to California. We've paid for people to move from
Clawham to Jefferson County and from Jefferson County to Clawham. I don't
So in my observation, and it may be skewed because I am a provider now and happen for 13 years, but I, in my opinion, the difference isn't as stark as it may seem.
And I, you know, I have a couple of comments that when you talk about where landlord ten
of laws are tonight on the news or tonight, city of Tacoma.
The council for the city of Tacoma is reviewing the tenant bill of rights. They're going to be looking at issues as to, you know, bad apples and some of those things. Waving housing authority, the Tacoma housing authority from the tenant bill of rights. So there's going to be an interesting discussion that Tacoma has tonight with what's going on. The other thing is I have to give a shout out to Viola and her
staff at the art walk Friday night squim. I got she hired a great community person got
Robin back here some stuff and the blue hole gallery look for the squim warming shelter at the
Piscopal Church and the safe park. The staff will be there Friday night from five to eight I believe.
So we'll be doing kind of a benefit type thing and introducing and talking about what they're doing.
So I think that'd be a great thing.
I told Robin.
Robin asked, I said, yes, I'm going to go.
And so that's just kind of those are the two problems today.
Thank you.
Anyone else?
Motion to adjourn?
adjourn then.
Thank you.
Thank you everyone.
Thank you very much.