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good there good night everyone like the
call the meeting to order it's 7:00 we

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only have one item on the agenda tonight
it's 4.1 RCMP general duty police

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resource model
presentation and giving that

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presentation tonight is Sergeant Jeff
Leah from the Matan RCMP Detachment and

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David corham the business analyst H
division RCMP

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operations
strategic strategy Branch also in the

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room we have
Haley sorry if I say it

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wrong executive director for Public
Safety and Security division of the Nova

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Scotia Department of
Justice and we also have Danielle deard

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RCMP Leon to Nova Scotia Department of
Justice and I can hand it over we

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basically just have the one item and
questions and comments from the public

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after for any questions on the report
that we'll be receiving tonight all

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yours
all right I just want to say thanks

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everybody for showing up on this uh bad
weather day and uh for this important

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meeting um again I uh this is a meeting
for present resources discussing our

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present resources that we have at the
Matan Detachment and to uh service the

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area of Clare all right

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so first we're going to be discussing
what's called called the gdpm that's a

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general duty policing resource model um
that's the study that we do to see if

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we're at the current levels that we
should be or are we under or over right

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so that's what the gdpm stands for um
why are we here so we are here because

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last year the RCM completed a general
duty policing resource model review for

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the Matan Detachment so we all know that
the Matan Detachment in the Matan area

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has had uh significant events throughout
the last four years that I've been

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present
um this is geared towards not those

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specific individual incidents but are we
at a level that's equivalent to answer

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calls for service for the day-to-day
business to be done

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right and this is what the gdpm is
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at a gdpm analyzes the general duty
workload of a Detachment for an average

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year with the goal of determining
whether the Detachment is resourced

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appropriately to meet the workload
demands so basically what I just said

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right um the
gdpm is one of the many tools that are

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used by the RCMP to recommend resource
levels in a specific

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Detachment our current
establishment what we have at the Matan

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Detachment right now is seven members
strong so the minity of CLA funds seven

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members for the Matan RCMP Detachment
that's what we have currently that's one

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Sergeant myself as the Detachment
Commander I have a subordinate one

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corporal who
supervises are five constables that

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they're there to answer calls for
service right but uh as you see we all

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partake in that answering those calls
for service

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right this does not include specialized
teams such as the Emergency Response

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Team the police dog service forensic
identification major crime which are all

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available to assist the Matan RCMP if
needed and we've all seen those in

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conjunction all at once or Here There
and Everywhere

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right the gdpm shows that the Matan
Detachment is experiencing an increase

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in the types of occurrences that require
additional workload to

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investigate these
occurrences types include mental health

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assaults threats mischief and breaking
ners these are all the data day calls

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for service that we have routinely
right the GD GD PRM simulation shows

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that due to the increased workload the
current level of the general duty

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resources in the Matan Detachment no
longer meets the RCMP standard so we're

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not at that threshold
that's we should be at right the the

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risk now meeting these standards can
lead to a reduce Service delivery reduce

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Community engagement and increase member
burnout so we're taking on more

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investigational files calls for service
than what we should be at that level

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that's been determined

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right in October 2024 the RCMP and the
Department of Justice met with Council

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here at this
building to review the results of the

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gdpm and to present recommendations and
options that were

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available these options included
recommendations to increase the funded

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establishment of the mean RCMP by
additional one to three

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members the options presented would
allow the Matan RCMP to meet the needs

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of the community by increasing RCMP
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increase Community engagement and
reducing weight

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times to properly conduct
investigations so we've seen in my four

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years that I've been here first starting
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today I can see that four years ago a
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take that amount of time that was
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years ago now at my office it drags on
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investigation plus more trying to tackle
all of them at the same time creates

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that distance and that longevity
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results oh okay so those are the results
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we presented back in November we're here
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guess discussion in camera about what we
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discrepancy and uh I'm happy to be here
and answer any questions that uh anyone

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has perfect thank you very much Mr go
for sorry I don't don't don't want to

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jump in front of everyone but um just a
quick I'm thinking more so for those

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counselors who weren't at that meeting
or perhaps the for the benefit of the

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folks in the room here tonight if you
could either yourself or David could

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speak to a bit of the information that
goes into the gprm the data that is

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collected and analyzed without going
into the details necessarily but just

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kind of a a holistic view of what type
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to yeah so I'll be happy to speak to
that so uh the GD PRM essentially what

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it does is it uh it takes the workload
that's created by the occurrences that

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are happening within a Detachment or
district and it Compares it versus the

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resource levels that are available to
the Detachment so when we're talking

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about workload of occurrences um
typically the type of reporting that you

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would see on a regular basis from Jeff
with council is it's occurrence counts

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so how many of this how many of this
happened the gdpr goes into a much

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deeper analysis of that because it
understands that uh there are types of

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occurrences that cause more workload
than other types of occurrences so if

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you have a a a speedy violation a
traffic ticket there's a certain amount

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of workload that goes into that type of
file versus a sexual assault which would

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have a much longer uh workload hours
Associated to it so what it will what

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we'll do is we take the actual
occurrences that happen in Meagan

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Detachment for an average year and we
determine how many workload hours down

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to the minute of work was created by
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occurrences the other thing we take a
look at is average travel times so how

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long does it take the member to get on
scene so we'll take that occurrence

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workload time and that travel workload
time and basically combine it together

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to create a total workload from there
we'll take a look at how many members

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are there working in the Detachment that
are able to respond to calls for service

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and essentially I'll even go into
looking at their schedule to see when

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when were the members available at what
time and then from there what happens is

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is I take all of that
workload and I compare it versus how

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many resources hours were available to
respond to those calls for service at

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the end of it what we're looking for is
a certain level of what we call

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Proactive availability so there needs to
be a certain amount of time left over

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that the members have to do proactive
policing so if you think about your

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schedule on a day-to-day basis um if you
if your outlook Calendar was full from

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the minute you walked in the door till
the minute you walked out of the door

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you're not going to get a whole lot of
extras accomplished so what's happening

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is is when I'm looking at that occurrent
workload uh what we're talking about is

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the must does so if a call for service
comes in the members must respond they

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have to do an initial investigation
they'll have to do any follow-up that's

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required any Court work any disposition
work any administrative work that's F

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responsible for that occurrence they
have to do it it's part of their

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mandate the proactive work comes from
once all of that work is done what can

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we do as far as driving Community
engagement so it it can be something as

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simple as checkpoints so check stops
right a check stop is a nice Todo it's

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not a have too so how much time once all
of the work is done that has to be done

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is there left over for the members to
respond and there's a certain Benchmark

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that we're looking for there and so
through the gdpm if we're not looking if

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we're not meeting that threshold then
the simulations can be run to

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show how many additional resources would
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threshold

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so I don't know if there's any questions
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yeah just to follow up on that so in the
report what did the uh proactive

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availability look

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like I mean come General it doesn't
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well we'll probably get into that more
in detail in camera but uh the

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recommendations that commot of the
report were were options for an increase

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inrease of one to three members right

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yeah any other Council
Devo would would uh like it's not a

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secret of course that that nights uh the
members are I'm going to say home or

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whoever uh boots off uh would would
having members during the night like all

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night being option or or not
really well coverage hours and stuff

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that's basically what we're here to
discuss right so if we want longer

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coverages we're going to need more
members to do that and we can do that

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with additional service additional
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right go events Mercy uh speaking to
you're saying that there's an increase

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in different FES that you know 20 years
ago we didn't have as many so like

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sexual assaults and things like
that are there any types of community

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services that could be complimentary to
the police services so seeing that yes

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maybe we do need more members in a at
them taken Detachment but is there any

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any other services that we could offer
that could help maybe reduce the number

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of those
files so the calls for service that are

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looking at for this gdpm are calls for
service for the police

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right so it's not the the the nice to do
basically um the one-offs where you're

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questioning we still have to respond to
mental health calls which takes a lot of

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our time
which can be discussed if it's actually

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a police response or not but at this
point in time that's all we have and we

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have to respond right so that's what it
entails yeah I just to add to that I

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think are some options uh that there are
certain programs that could alleviate

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some of the workload from the police but
ultimately if there is if those

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resources are under are resourced or if
there's a lack of those resources the

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RCMP has to respond so uh mental health
is is it's the number one workload

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driver in Matan and it's the number one
workload driver almost across the

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province um so is there the ability to
potentially reduce some of that

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absolutely and until that day comes the
RCP is relied on to respond to those

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calls for

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service yeah anybody else have any
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comments I think you sort of skimmed
over what your request is at the end of

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the day it's one to three members that
you're you're looking to increase the

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Medan attachment for but I don't
know financially and all that that's

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going to be discussed later on is that
sort of the the plan that's what you're

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yeah I don't know if there's any more
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comments if not we can open it up to to
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more questions I
guess for active V oh actually we'll

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just we let Ashley set up the mic area
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there just we're recording it it's uh
streamed live so we're just uh we're

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going to put the mic ready and we should
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testing oh there you

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test Tero a uh is there a enough
officers available in Canada to recruit

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two or three more officers in this
area speaking to the

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s yes uh the RCMP is always recruiting
um we have many new members in Depot

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that go through on a weekly basis but uh
we're not only recruiting for many in in

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the past four years with my experience
here at the meagen Detachment many of

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our recruits uh many of our new members
that attended to the Detachment have

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been recruits there continue to be some
recruits but we're not also obtaining

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recruits as replacement we're also
obtaining experience experienced members

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at times as well so that's always an
option to look at as well uh members do

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get moved around and uh we're always uh
it's always good to get some experience

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and some new members to create that
leadership and guidance right so yes we

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are always recruiting there is always an
up and down and uh but uh the the drive

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still there we're still hiring and we'll
continue to do so thank you

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yeah anyone else have any questions or
comments or oh go for I'll add to that

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from from the bigger outside de clarea
so uh my name is Paul Pitman I'm the

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district advisory andco for the air CMP
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when it comes to recruiting yeah we have
had our challenges we've had a several

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lean years I'll say but it's not
different than any other professional uh

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agency uh some of our time delays there
was a question asked here with regards

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to other organizations that could
probably help our workload when we draw

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on other agencies such as social workers
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Services the uh mental health agencies
they're short as well

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currently and I believe it's 50 troops
are going through Depo this year we've

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changed our policy quite a bit uh Once
Upon a Time you sign on the dotted line

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and you could go from CLA and you're in
Slave Lake um and you had no say we've

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sort of gone more regionalized now if
you recruited out of Nova Scotia chances

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are if there's openings you'll come back
to Nova Scotia we've also implemented a

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program of the experienced police
officer where we're drawing from other

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agencies I was recently in PEI charl
toown police are they're switching six

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members over or s six uh City police
officers over to the RCMP we have

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Halifax officers Edmonton calary a lot
of people who moved away from the

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maritimes in Atlanta Canada now coming
back so yes we still have challenges

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however it the Gap is sort of narrowing
so we're having it certainly is a lot

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Rosier than it was two or three years
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anybody else have any questions or

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comments hello sir jeblah I have a
question there's seven members of the

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rmp now may Tak on a do T the number
there's always been is there room in the

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building to put more officers in or or
something will it have to be getting

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bigger I can answer that um we do have
the space for an additional up to three

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members that's not going to be an issue
at our present building if it increased

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more than that we can certainly look at
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expansion anybody else have any more

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questions or clarification on
anything my name is Betty and chairman

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I'd like to request uh
an idea if the RCMP is capable of

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bringing in more resources for shortened
periods of time I'm thinking in

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particular of the El fishery period
where we saw um an increased um amount

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of crime around the p tunar as we would
say there were arrests done there I know

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that people around that neighborhood are
extremely at non at ease at that

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period That's My I we I know you're
looking for one to three policemen but

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until the whole process comes through is
it are you capable of bringing in

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resources for a temporary

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Duty I can respond to that um the El
issue would be again one of

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those specific issues that's not only a
concern for the the Matan or Clare area

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it's a concern throughout the province
right it's there there there's groups

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gathering on on rivers and and ponds all
over the place throughout the province

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which are causing issues that again
would be a demand not only from our

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office that we deal with that but that
would be a request that I do through our

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district through staff sergeant Paul
Pitman right there that was speaking

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earlier to say this is the need for our
area and uh we're always working on we

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all the time for the inevitable this is
one of those things that we do know is

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coming up and plans are in place to deal
with that

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so to answer your question
is the Detachment is going to be

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involved however if there is a need for
those extra resources I will make that

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demand for the extra resources that have
been planned for

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does that covered a
question good

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yeah I think it answered the question
but I'm not did that did I answer qu

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yeah okay it is possible that's it okay
anybody else have any questions

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or comments
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yeah John again I have another question
when a special group comes into the area

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like you mentioned the K9 unit or
something who pays for

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that um that would do you want to answer
that or you want best be answer that

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they're up for

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it thank you so much for the question so
um with respect to how the province

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builds municipalities that are policed
by the RCMP our cost recovery is

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specifically for the members that are
assigned to your Detachment so those are

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your Frontline officers uh that were
just kind of the ones included on the

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slideshow here today uh so your general
duty members the Corporal and of course

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the supervisor position as well for
specialized Services the police dog

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services would be one of uh many
specialized Services underwater recovery

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Emergency Response Team cyber crime the
list is quite extensive uh the cost of

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those resources are borne by The
Province the Department of Justice has

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chosen to uh be responsible for those
costs thank you

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the other comments
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question pretty good I don't know if we
allocated a certain amount of time for

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questions and comments but it looks like
we got them pretty well

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covered
um that being said I guess just need a

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motion
to to go to go in camera to to to go in

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there so that being said I just need a
motion to go in camera I

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guess proposed by councel Devo seconded
by councelor C all in favor contrary

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motion Carri that's it for time thank
you very much