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[1:58] good there good night everyone like the
call the meeting to order it's 7:00 we
[2:04] only have one item on the agenda tonight
it's 4.1 RCMP general duty police
[2:10] resource model
presentation and giving that
[2:13] presentation tonight is Sergeant Jeff
Leah from the Matan RCMP Detachment and
[2:19] David corham the business analyst H
division RCMP
[2:24] operations
strategic strategy Branch also in the
[2:28] room we have
Haley sorry if I say it
[2:34] wrong executive director for Public
Safety and Security division of the Nova
[2:39] Scotia Department of
Justice and we also have Danielle deard
[2:43] RCMP Leon to Nova Scotia Department of
Justice and I can hand it over we
[2:50] basically just have the one item and
questions and comments from the public
[2:54] after for any questions on the report
that we'll be receiving tonight all
[2:59] yours
all right I just want to say thanks
[3:02] everybody for showing up on this uh bad
weather day and uh for this important
[3:08] meeting um again I uh this is a meeting
for present resources discussing our
[3:16] present resources that we have at the
Matan Detachment and to uh service the
[3:22] area of Clare all right
[3:26] so first we're going to be discussing
what's called called the gdpm that's a
[3:31] general duty policing resource model um
that's the study that we do to see if
[3:37] we're at the current levels that we
should be or are we under or over right
[3:44] so that's what the gdpm stands for um
why are we here so we are here because
[3:53] last year the RCM completed a general
duty policing resource model review for
[4:00] the Matan Detachment so we all know that
the Matan Detachment in the Matan area
[4:06] has had uh significant events throughout
the last four years that I've been
[4:12] present
um this is geared towards not those
[4:19] specific individual incidents but are we
at a level that's equivalent to answer
[4:25] calls for service for the day-to-day
business to be done
[4:30] right and this is what the gdpm is
looking
[4:35] at a gdpm analyzes the general duty
workload of a Detachment for an average
[4:41] year with the goal of determining
whether the Detachment is resourced
[4:46] appropriately to meet the workload
demands so basically what I just said
[4:52] right um the
gdpm is one of the many tools that are
[4:58] used by the RCMP to recommend resource
levels in a specific
[5:05] Detachment our current
establishment what we have at the Matan
[5:10] Detachment right now is seven members
strong so the minity of CLA funds seven
[5:18] members for the Matan RCMP Detachment
that's what we have currently that's one
[5:24] Sergeant myself as the Detachment
Commander I have a subordinate one
[5:28] corporal who
supervises are five constables that
[5:34] they're there to answer calls for
service right but uh as you see we all
[5:39] partake in that answering those calls
for service
[5:43] right this does not include specialized
teams such as the Emergency Response
[5:48] Team the police dog service forensic
identification major crime which are all
[5:54] available to assist the Matan RCMP if
needed and we've all seen those in
[6:00] conjunction all at once or Here There
and Everywhere
[6:05] right the gdpm shows that the Matan
Detachment is experiencing an increase
[6:11] in the types of occurrences that require
additional workload to
[6:19] investigate these
occurrences types include mental health
[6:24] assaults threats mischief and breaking
ners these are all the data day calls
[6:30] for service that we have routinely
right the GD GD PRM simulation shows
[6:39] that due to the increased workload the
current level of the general duty
[6:45] resources in the Matan Detachment no
longer meets the RCMP standard so we're
[6:51] not at that threshold
that's we should be at right the the
[6:58] risk now meeting these standards can
lead to a reduce Service delivery reduce
[7:04] Community engagement and increase member
burnout so we're taking on more
[7:11] investigational files calls for service
than what we should be at that level
[7:18] that's been determined
[7:22] right in October 2024 the RCMP and the
Department of Justice met with Council
[7:29] here at this
building to review the results of the
[7:33] gdpm and to present recommendations and
options that were
[7:39] available these options included
recommendations to increase the funded
[7:44] establishment of the mean RCMP by
additional one to three
[7:49] members the options presented would
allow the Matan RCMP to meet the needs
[7:55] of the community by increasing RCMP
presence through additional patrols
[8:00] increase Community engagement and
reducing weight
[8:05] times to properly conduct
investigations so we've seen in my four
[8:11] years that I've been here first starting
off from
[8:17] today I can see that four years ago a
typical let's say assault file we would
[8:25] take that amount of time that was
typical of what I when I started 20
[8:32] years ago now at my office it drags on
because we're we're taking on those
[8:37] investigation plus more trying to tackle
all of them at the same time creates
[8:43] that distance and that longevity
right gdpm
[8:50] results oh okay so those are the results
that we're looking at that's what we're
[8:56] we presented back in November we're here
going to have another in I
[9:04] guess discussion in camera about what we
can do to rectify that
[9:12] discrepancy and uh I'm happy to be here
and answer any questions that uh anyone
[9:20] has perfect thank you very much Mr go
for sorry I don't don't don't want to
[9:26] jump in front of everyone but um just a
quick I'm thinking more so for those
[9:30] counselors who weren't at that meeting
or perhaps the for the benefit of the
[9:33] folks in the room here tonight if you
could either yourself or David could
[9:36] speak to a bit of the information that
goes into the gprm the data that is
[9:40] collected and analyzed without going
into the details necessarily but just
[9:45] kind of a a holistic view of what type
of information is is tracked
[9:52] to yeah so I'll be happy to speak to
that so uh the GD PRM essentially what
[9:56] it does is it uh it takes the workload
that's created by the occurrences that
[10:01] are happening within a Detachment or
district and it Compares it versus the
[10:04] resource levels that are available to
the Detachment so when we're talking
[10:07] about workload of occurrences um
typically the type of reporting that you
[10:11] would see on a regular basis from Jeff
with council is it's occurrence counts
[10:15] so how many of this how many of this
happened the gdpr goes into a much
[10:19] deeper analysis of that because it
understands that uh there are types of
[10:23] occurrences that cause more workload
than other types of occurrences so if
[10:27] you have a a a speedy violation a
traffic ticket there's a certain amount
[10:32] of workload that goes into that type of
file versus a sexual assault which would
[10:36] have a much longer uh workload hours
Associated to it so what it will what
[10:42] we'll do is we take the actual
occurrences that happen in Meagan
[10:44] Detachment for an average year and we
determine how many workload hours down
[10:50] to the minute of work was created by
those
[10:54] occurrences the other thing we take a
look at is average travel times so how
[10:58] long does it take the member to get on
scene so we'll take that occurrence
[11:02] workload time and that travel workload
time and basically combine it together
[11:06] to create a total workload from there
we'll take a look at how many members
[11:12] are there working in the Detachment that
are able to respond to calls for service
[11:15] and essentially I'll even go into
looking at their schedule to see when
[11:19] when were the members available at what
time and then from there what happens is
[11:23] is I take all of that
workload and I compare it versus how
[11:28] many resources hours were available to
respond to those calls for service at
[11:32] the end of it what we're looking for is
a certain level of what we call
[11:36] Proactive availability so there needs to
be a certain amount of time left over
[11:41] that the members have to do proactive
policing so if you think about your
[11:47] schedule on a day-to-day basis um if you
if your outlook Calendar was full from
[11:52] the minute you walked in the door till
the minute you walked out of the door
[11:55] you're not going to get a whole lot of
extras accomplished so what's happening
[11:59] is is when I'm looking at that occurrent
workload uh what we're talking about is
[12:03] the must does so if a call for service
comes in the members must respond they
[12:08] have to do an initial investigation
they'll have to do any follow-up that's
[12:10] required any Court work any disposition
work any administrative work that's F
[12:15] responsible for that occurrence they
have to do it it's part of their
[12:18] mandate the proactive work comes from
once all of that work is done what can
[12:23] we do as far as driving Community
engagement so it it can be something as
[12:27] simple as checkpoints so check stops
right a check stop is a nice Todo it's
[12:31] not a have too so how much time once all
of the work is done that has to be done
[12:36] is there left over for the members to
respond and there's a certain Benchmark
[12:41] that we're looking for there and so
through the gdpm if we're not looking if
[12:45] we're not meeting that threshold then
the simulations can be run to
[12:49] show how many additional resources would
be required in order to meet that
[12:53] threshold
[13:00] so I don't know if there's any questions
or comments from any of the counselors
[13:05] yeah just to follow up on that so in the
report what did the uh proactive
[13:10] availability look
[13:14] like I mean come General it doesn't
have
[13:21] well we'll probably get into that more
in detail in camera but uh the
[13:26] recommendations that commot of the
report were were options for an increase
[13:29] inrease of one to three members right
[13:36] yeah any other Council
Devo would would uh like it's not a
[13:45] secret of course that that nights uh the
members are I'm going to say home or
[13:50] whoever uh boots off uh would would
having members during the night like all
[13:58] night being option or or not
really well coverage hours and stuff
[14:06] that's basically what we're here to
discuss right so if we want longer
[14:12] coverages we're going to need more
members to do that and we can do that
[14:16] with additional service additional
members
[14:22] right go events Mercy uh speaking to
you're saying that there's an increase
[14:28] in different FES that you know 20 years
ago we didn't have as many so like
[14:32] sexual assaults and things like
that are there any types of community
[14:37] services that could be complimentary to
the police services so seeing that yes
[14:41] maybe we do need more members in a at
them taken Detachment but is there any
[14:46] any other services that we could offer
that could help maybe reduce the number
[14:49] of those
files so the calls for service that are
[14:54] looking at for this gdpm are calls for
service for the police
[14:59] right so it's not the the the nice to do
basically um the one-offs where you're
[15:07] questioning we still have to respond to
mental health calls which takes a lot of
[15:12] our time
which can be discussed if it's actually
[15:17] a police response or not but at this
point in time that's all we have and we
[15:22] have to respond right so that's what it
entails yeah I just to add to that I
[15:28] think are some options uh that there are
certain programs that could alleviate
[15:34] some of the workload from the police but
ultimately if there is if those
[15:39] resources are under are resourced or if
there's a lack of those resources the
[15:43] RCMP has to respond so uh mental health
is is it's the number one workload
[15:48] driver in Matan and it's the number one
workload driver almost across the
[15:52] province um so is there the ability to
potentially reduce some of that
[15:57] absolutely and until that day comes the
RCP is relied on to respond to those
[16:02] calls for
[16:06] service yeah anybody else have any
questions or
[16:12] comments I think you sort of skimmed
over what your request is at the end of
[16:17] the day it's one to three members that
you're you're looking to increase the
[16:21] Medan attachment for but I don't
know financially and all that that's
[16:27] going to be discussed later on is that
sort of the the plan that's what you're
[16:30] yeah I don't know if there's any more
questions or
[16:35] comments if not we can open it up to to
the public if somebody has any
[16:40] more questions I
guess for active V oh actually we'll
[16:46] just we let Ashley set up the mic area
but yeah almost
[16:54] there just we're recording it it's uh
streamed live so we're just uh we're
[16:59] going to put the mic ready and we should
be good
[17:02] testing oh there you
[17:16] go
[17:22] test Tero a uh is there a enough
officers available in Canada to recruit
[17:28] two or three more officers in this
area speaking to the
[17:36] s yes uh the RCMP is always recruiting
um we have many new members in Depot
[17:44] that go through on a weekly basis but uh
we're not only recruiting for many in in
[17:51] the past four years with my experience
here at the meagen Detachment many of
[17:56] our recruits uh many of our new members
that attended to the Detachment have
[18:01] been recruits there continue to be some
recruits but we're not also obtaining
[18:06] recruits as replacement we're also
obtaining experience experienced members
[18:12] at times as well so that's always an
option to look at as well uh members do
[18:17] get moved around and uh we're always uh
it's always good to get some experience
[18:25] and some new members to create that
leadership and guidance right so yes we
[18:30] are always recruiting there is always an
up and down and uh but uh the the drive
[18:36] still there we're still hiring and we'll
continue to do so thank you
[18:44] yeah anyone else have any questions or
comments or oh go for I'll add to that
[18:50] from from the bigger outside de clarea
so uh my name is Paul Pitman I'm the
[18:55] district advisory andco for the air CMP
for this area
[18:59] when it comes to recruiting yeah we have
had our challenges we've had a several
[19:03] lean years I'll say but it's not
different than any other professional uh
[19:08] agency uh some of our time delays there
was a question asked here with regards
[19:13] to other organizations that could
probably help our workload when we draw
[19:17] on other agencies such as social workers
or anything to do with Child and Family
[19:23] Services the uh mental health agencies
they're short as well
[19:29] currently and I believe it's 50 troops
are going through Depo this year we've
[19:35] changed our policy quite a bit uh Once
Upon a Time you sign on the dotted line
[19:39] and you could go from CLA and you're in
Slave Lake um and you had no say we've
[19:44] sort of gone more regionalized now if
you recruited out of Nova Scotia chances
[19:49] are if there's openings you'll come back
to Nova Scotia we've also implemented a
[19:54] program of the experienced police
officer where we're drawing from other
[19:57] agencies I was recently in PEI charl
toown police are they're switching six
[20:03] members over or s six uh City police
officers over to the RCMP we have
[20:08] Halifax officers Edmonton calary a lot
of people who moved away from the
[20:13] maritimes in Atlanta Canada now coming
back so yes we still have challenges
[20:20] however it the Gap is sort of narrowing
so we're having it certainly is a lot
[20:25] Rosier than it was two or three years
ago
[20:34] anybody else have any questions or
[20:39] comments hello sir jeblah I have a
question there's seven members of the
[20:44] rmp now may Tak on a do T the number
there's always been is there room in the
[20:49] building to put more officers in or or
something will it have to be getting
[20:55] bigger I can answer that um we do have
the space for an additional up to three
[21:02] members that's not going to be an issue
at our present building if it increased
[21:07] more than that we can certainly look at
an
[21:16] [Music]
expansion anybody else have any more
[21:20] questions or clarification on
anything my name is Betty and chairman
[21:26] I'd like to request uh
an idea if the RCMP is capable of
[21:32] bringing in more resources for shortened
periods of time I'm thinking in
[21:37] particular of the El fishery period
where we saw um an increased um amount
[21:44] of crime around the p tunar as we would
say there were arrests done there I know
[21:49] that people around that neighborhood are
extremely at non at ease at that
[21:56] period That's My I we I know you're
looking for one to three policemen but
[22:01] until the whole process comes through is
it are you capable of bringing in
[22:06] resources for a temporary
[22:09] Duty I can respond to that um the El
issue would be again one of
[22:17] those specific issues that's not only a
concern for the the Matan or Clare area
[22:24] it's a concern throughout the province
right it's there there there's groups
[22:30] gathering on on rivers and and ponds all
over the place throughout the province
[22:36] which are causing issues that again
would be a demand not only from our
[22:43] office that we deal with that but that
would be a request that I do through our
[22:47] district through staff sergeant Paul
Pitman right there that was speaking
[22:51] earlier to say this is the need for our
area and uh we're always working on we
[22:58] all the time for the inevitable this is
one of those things that we do know is
[23:03] coming up and plans are in place to deal
with that
[23:09] so to answer your question
is the Detachment is going to be
[23:15] involved however if there is a need for
those extra resources I will make that
[23:20] demand for the extra resources that have
been planned for
[23:30] does that covered a
question good
[23:35] yeah I think it answered the question
but I'm not did that did I answer qu
[23:40] yeah okay it is possible that's it okay
anybody else have any questions
[23:46] or comments
or
[23:53] yeah John again I have another question
when a special group comes into the area
[23:58] like you mentioned the K9 unit or
something who pays for
[24:04] that um that would do you want to answer
that or you want best be answer that
[24:09] they're up for
[24:12] it thank you so much for the question so
um with respect to how the province
[24:17] builds municipalities that are policed
by the RCMP our cost recovery is
[24:22] specifically for the members that are
assigned to your Detachment so those are
[24:25] your Frontline officers uh that were
just kind of the ones included on the
[24:30] slideshow here today uh so your general
duty members the Corporal and of course
[24:34] the supervisor position as well for
specialized Services the police dog
[24:39] services would be one of uh many
specialized Services underwater recovery
[24:43] Emergency Response Team cyber crime the
list is quite extensive uh the cost of
[24:49] those resources are borne by The
Province the Department of Justice has
[24:52] chosen to uh be responsible for those
costs thank you
[25:06] the other comments
or
[25:12] question pretty good I don't know if we
allocated a certain amount of time for
[25:15] questions and comments but it looks like
we got them pretty well
[25:19] covered
um that being said I guess just need a
[25:23] motion
to to go to go in camera to to to go in
[25:29] there so that being said I just need a
motion to go in camera I
[25:33] guess proposed by councel Devo seconded
by councelor C all in favor contrary
[25:41] motion Carri that's it for time thank
you very much