1 01:00:02,072 --> 01:00:04,708 and 9 linked townhouse units. 2 01:00:07,598 --> 01:00:10,723 The entrance now is only off of Rudell, 3 01:00:11,223 --> 01:00:13,703 as shown in Attachment 2, 4 01:00:15,427 --> 01:00:19,164 just south of the linked townhouse dwellings there. 5 01:00:20,657 --> 01:00:23,837 And then in terms of the number of units, 6 01:00:25,153 --> 01:00:29,216 the number of units in the apartment building is still 200— 7 01:00:29,264 --> 01:00:33,053 sorry, still 166. 8 01:00:33,422 --> 01:00:36,730 The stacked townhouse units have been reduced to 30, 9 01:00:38,063 --> 01:00:42,946 and the linked townhouse units remain 10 01:00:43,286 --> 01:00:45,128 as, I believe it was 9. 11 01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:50,695 Okay, now if 12 01:00:51,195 --> 01:00:54,719 I look at— and again, this is the Clearant and Official Plan— when it 13 01:00:55,219 --> 01:00:59,060 speaks to urban residential, which this is the urban residential 14 01:00:59,221 --> 01:01:02,519 area, says generally up to 3 stories. But if we look at this 15 01:01:02,616 --> 01:01:05,252 as a local corridor, it speaks to, 16 01:01:06,828 --> 01:01:09,943 in this case, a mid-rise 5 to 6. So, um, 17 01:01:11,432 --> 01:01:14,036 is this an urban residential or local corridor? 18 01:01:14,602 --> 01:01:17,698 In some ways I do know the answer, but I'd like to hear from staff 19 01:01:18,665 --> 01:01:20,844 because this is a 6-story building. 20 01:01:29,971 --> 01:01:33,318 So through the chair, I'm going to ask Haida to respond to that as that 21 01:01:33,818 --> 01:01:36,782 is also addressed in the staff report about the designations and how it came to 22 01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:47,018 I'm sorry, through the chair, if you don't mind repeating the 23 01:01:47,518 --> 01:01:51,674 question. I think it was about the heritage designation for the existing 24 01:01:51,852 --> 01:01:55,168 farmhouse on the property. Is that correct? Yeah. No, 25 01:01:55,654 --> 01:01:59,295 I appreciate that. No, I mean, I do know the answer. I asked 26 01:01:59,795 --> 01:02:03,058 the question when I know the answer. 5.8 answers it. 27 01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:08,158 This is a mid-rise building townhouse. Mid-rise building is proposed to 28 01:02:08,658 --> 01:02:11,985 be 6 stories. This is aligned with the urban residential and 29 01:02:12,001 --> 01:02:14,834 local corridor designation. So, um, 30 01:02:15,854 --> 01:02:19,717 apologize. Um, and is 31 01:02:19,749 --> 01:02:23,213 the parking sufficient? I see that there is a parking garage, 32 01:02:23,696 --> 01:02:27,691 and the parking garage is basically 33 01:02:28,191 --> 01:02:31,638 Basically for the tenants in the apartment building 34 01:02:31,831 --> 01:02:35,106 or for the townhouses? The townhouses would have their own, 35 01:02:35,283 --> 01:02:38,992 but would there be space for those that are in 36 01:02:39,492 --> 01:02:44,130 the townhouses or just for the, the 6-story apartment or 37 01:02:44,274 --> 01:02:45,238 multi-residential? 38 01:02:56,791 --> 01:02:59,964 Um, through the chair, um, so there— 39 01:03:00,333 --> 01:03:02,704 the townhouses have associated, 40 01:03:03,522 --> 01:03:06,887 um, parking on, um, you know, 41 01:03:07,207 --> 01:03:11,454 uh, associated with the dwelling units, um, whereas the apartment, 42 01:03:11,934 --> 01:03:14,963 um, building has underground parking, 43 01:03:15,780 --> 01:03:20,123 um, as well as parking to the, uh, to the, um, on the west 44 01:03:20,623 --> 01:03:24,360 portion of the property. There is— there 45 01:03:24,860 --> 01:03:28,928 was a traffic impact and parking study that 46 01:03:29,428 --> 01:03:31,383 indicated there was sufficient parking on the site. 47 01:03:34,656 --> 01:03:38,188 There— in response to comments from the public meeting regarding 48 01:03:38,204 --> 01:03:42,351 the parking, that is one of the reasons that 49 01:03:42,416 --> 01:03:46,518 the number of units was decreased 50 01:03:47,018 --> 01:03:49,400 to make sure there was enough parking on the site for the number of units 51 01:03:49,448 --> 01:03:52,555 there. Okay, no worries. Thank you for that. 52 01:03:52,684 --> 01:03:57,361 And my last question to the delegation 53 01:03:57,861 --> 01:03:59,627 that was speaking about traffic, 54 01:04:01,782 --> 01:04:02,894 can you speak to that? 55 01:04:05,020 --> 01:04:07,548 Maybe as far as traffic impact studies and that. 56 01:04:09,087 --> 01:04:12,766 So through the chair, I apologize, but just to intervene 57 01:04:12,862 --> 01:04:16,782 on this, I'd actually rather have Karen Richardson, who's the manager of 58 01:04:16,895 --> 01:04:20,654 development engineering, that can speak to that. And also, just to be a little clearer 59 01:04:20,670 --> 01:04:24,137 on the last response, the applicant through the traffic impact 60 01:04:24,637 --> 01:04:27,799 study amended and updated and increased the amount of parking to 61 01:04:28,299 --> 01:04:30,719 meet all of ours as well as Durham Region's requirements. 62 01:04:32,484 --> 01:04:36,107 So Karen, please. Through the chair to 63 01:04:36,123 --> 01:04:39,538 Councillor Wills, The traffic impact study did an analysis. 64 01:04:40,196 --> 01:04:43,825 As you know, Rudell's a collector and Highway 2's 65 01:04:44,325 --> 01:04:48,337 our arterial, so they have a higher order roads which expect more traffic. 66 01:04:48,417 --> 01:04:52,464 So the traffic impact study showed no impact. So it's expected 67 01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,413 with this development that the traffic will build up, but the 68 01:04:56,913 --> 01:05:00,604 roads are already assigned to handle it. Okay, 69 01:05:00,909 --> 01:05:01,760 thank you for that, Karen. 70 01:05:05,481 --> 01:05:09,032 I'm looking to members of council. Do we have any further questions on this? 71 01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:16,841 I don't see any. Darryl, I, I see, uh, I think it was 2023 72 01:05:17,535 --> 01:05:21,328 was the initial public meeting on this, uh, 73 01:05:21,780 --> 01:05:25,001 to the delegate's question, uh, 74 01:05:25,389 --> 01:05:28,981 suggesting that the, the neighbors were somewhat surprised. Can we Can 75 01:05:29,481 --> 01:05:32,137 we speak to the outreach, you know, what we do, what we did? 76 01:05:35,565 --> 01:05:39,028 Thank you. So through the Chair, yes, there has been a 77 01:05:39,528 --> 01:05:42,651 variety of pieces regarding public engagement. I'm actually going to have 78 01:05:43,151 --> 01:05:46,633 Amanda Tapp as the Manager of Development that could walk through the sequence of all 79 01:05:46,762 --> 01:05:50,471 of the points of public engagement that have occurred. There have been signs, there have 80 01:05:50,971 --> 01:05:54,552 been mailouts, there have been public meetings, but Amanda can go into a little more 81 01:05:55,052 --> 01:05:57,994 detail about that. Thank you, Daryl. And through the chair, 82 01:05:58,606 --> 01:06:02,453 um, Hiba has been the file planner on this file for bringing 83 01:06:02,550 --> 01:06:05,351 it to recommendation, but she wasn't the planner on the file for the history. 84 01:06:05,399 --> 01:06:08,809 So just going to walk through a little bit of, of that. So as 85 01:06:08,905 --> 01:06:12,922 mentioned, 2023, there was a public meeting on this application. 86 01:06:13,019 --> 01:06:16,208 It did look significantly different. It was much more dense at the time. 87 01:06:16,738 --> 01:06:21,424 We heard several comments from the public 88 01:06:21,924 --> 01:06:25,719 took that range of comments back to the applicant in which they made several 89 01:06:26,297 --> 01:06:29,027 extensive revisions. So yes, looking 3 years later, 90 01:06:29,685 --> 01:06:33,731 we brought something forward tonight that meets those requirements that 91 01:06:34,085 --> 01:06:37,745 are currently in the official plan and zoning 92 01:06:37,794 --> 01:06:41,695 that's appropriate for the site. I think it's also incredibly important to note that 93 01:06:42,113 --> 01:06:45,952 this meets the official plan designation that's been on the site for upwards of 94 01:06:45,984 --> 01:06:49,049 10 years at this point now as well, and there would have been lengthy public 95 01:06:49,549 --> 01:06:52,695 process at that time in order to know we were going to be aiming to 96 01:06:53,195 --> 01:06:57,418 achieve this, these types of densities, these types of densification at this corner. So just 97 01:06:57,918 --> 01:07:01,057 something we wanted to, to note as well on, on the several points of public 98 01:07:01,557 --> 01:07:04,987 contact that's been had through, through maybe a few planners, but, but up 99 01:07:05,487 --> 01:07:08,890 into tonight. So thank you for 100 01:07:09,390 --> 01:07:12,711 that. I, I would make two observations. 2 observations, and this 101 01:07:12,826 --> 01:07:16,613 is, you know, to carry forward. One, despite our answer, 102 01:07:17,230 --> 01:07:21,221 I'm thinking the impression of the residents doesn't match their reality, 103 01:07:21,286 --> 01:07:25,340 perhaps doesn't match our reality. And the other observation, 104 01:07:25,372 --> 01:07:28,244 Darryl, you and I have spoken about this, we mentioned it earlier. 105 01:07:29,082 --> 01:07:32,519 When we do traffic impact studies, 106 01:07:34,731 --> 01:07:38,204 to the average individual, sometimes these just don't 107 01:07:38,704 --> 01:07:42,121 make sense. I wonder if at some point in the future we can take 108 01:07:42,218 --> 01:07:45,301 a before and after and quantify, 109 01:07:46,296 --> 01:07:50,150 uh, you know, quantify some of these to, uh, and maybe have a better 110 01:07:50,650 --> 01:07:54,068 understanding of, of how the experts, uh, do these. And I'm just, 111 01:07:54,565 --> 01:07:57,536 I'm not looking for a response, but it's, it's something to, 112 01:07:58,098 --> 01:08:01,694 uh, think about moving forward to, uh, to help with the public and, 113 01:08:01,951 --> 01:08:04,360 and move forward with. Thank you. 114 01:08:06,529 --> 01:08:10,353 All right, that I believe exhausts the 115 01:08:10,706 --> 01:08:14,009 delegations, Madam Clerk, unless you know something I don't. 116 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,330 Oh, sorry. No, you're absolutely correct. We did. 117 01:08:19,395 --> 01:08:22,153 We exhausted the delegations a minute ago. 118 01:08:22,980 --> 01:08:26,778 So that is item 5.3. 119 01:08:27,084 --> 01:08:32,397 I'll need Those 120 01:08:32,429 --> 01:08:35,501 were just questions. We already did the vote on consent, 121 01:08:36,030 --> 01:08:38,932 so that's good. 5.5, 122 01:08:39,367 --> 01:08:44,828 Councillor Traill, you had questions to staff on the emergency 123 01:08:46,311 --> 01:08:49,601 comments from our emergency services. You have the floor. 124 01:08:50,710 --> 01:08:54,735 Yeah, thank you. Um, so it's my understanding, and perhaps I I'm 125 01:08:54,767 --> 01:08:58,679 not— I didn't record this correctly, but basically what we were 126 01:08:59,179 --> 01:09:03,969 told by the developer is that, uh, GHD said 127 01:09:04,469 --> 01:09:07,817 that an emergency evacuation analysis was not included in the traffic report 128 01:09:08,317 --> 01:09:12,530 because it's not required under Clarington's terms of reference, but it is in 129 01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:16,057 the emergency services, uh, review. 130 01:09:16,153 --> 01:09:18,943 So I just— I want to make sure that we don't have any kind of 131 01:09:19,443 --> 01:09:23,993 deficiency requiring developers to examine the need for emergency access routes and evacuation 132 01:09:24,493 --> 01:09:27,135 plans, and they want to make sure that that's being addressed. Or do we need 133 01:09:27,635 --> 01:09:30,052 to bring a motion forward to have staff report back on including that in the 134 01:09:30,085 --> 01:09:33,595 terms of reference when they do a traffic impact analysis? 135 01:09:34,028 --> 01:09:37,394 Because as I see it, an evacuation route is also traffic impact, right? Like, 136 01:09:37,539 --> 01:09:40,055 that seems to make sense. But so I would like to hear from staff, 137 01:09:41,386 --> 01:09:43,886 planning and emergency services, please. Thanks. 138 01:09:44,608 --> 01:09:48,167 Okay, so thank you. And through the chair, I'm going 139 01:09:48,667 --> 01:09:51,805 to have Nicole Zambri, the principal planner on this file, that can speak to 140 01:09:52,305 --> 01:09:56,058 the in fact, of the comments we've received from EMS regarding this proposal. And then 141 01:09:56,477 --> 01:09:59,940 for the more technical aspect of what you're asking about, Councillor Traill, I'm going to 142 01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:04,362 have Karen Richardson that reviews all of the TISs, that come— transportation 143 01:10:04,410 --> 01:10:08,026 impact studies that come forward, and the inclusions and how that 144 01:10:08,526 --> 01:10:12,201 is looked at as it relates to traffic as well as for emergency services. 145 01:10:12,493 --> 01:10:13,676 So over to Nicole. 146 01:10:20,228 --> 01:10:21,751 Through the— through the mayor, um, 147 01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:27,769 EMS did have comments on the first submission, mainly related 148 01:10:28,269 --> 01:10:31,918 to Block 9, where there's a single access. But for 149 01:10:31,934 --> 01:10:35,619 the existing Wilmot Creek community, that was 150 01:10:36,022 --> 01:10:40,721 looked at by EMS and they had no concerns with the 151 01:10:40,802 --> 01:10:43,983 emergency or evacuation or emergency access to 152 01:10:44,483 --> 01:10:47,341 the site and the response for a response call. 153 01:10:48,373 --> 01:10:52,294 So with that, I can pass it over to Karen 154 01:10:52,794 --> 01:10:56,650 to speak to the traffic, uh, traffic study 155 01:10:56,828 --> 01:11:00,768 report and how they address emergency response times. 156 01:11:03,716 --> 01:11:07,181 Through the mayor to Councillor Traill, so we, we have 157 01:11:07,681 --> 01:11:11,743 a general TIS guideline that's on our website that outlines 158 01:11:11,856 --> 01:11:16,034 the scope of work that's required for any development application that 159 01:11:16,099 --> 01:11:19,832 is has to provide a traffic impact study and support. 160 01:11:20,361 --> 01:11:24,135 So that's outlined. And then we have— we also request the 161 01:11:24,635 --> 01:11:28,213 terms of reference to be reviewed by staff, and it's 162 01:11:28,713 --> 01:11:32,741 at that point that we would outline that there's an additional scope 163 01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:36,177 that is required. It's typically a separate report, 164 01:11:36,193 --> 01:11:38,858 so it's not included in the traffic impact study, 165 01:11:39,517 --> 01:11:43,226 but EMS would recommend that report, or it 166 01:11:43,290 --> 01:11:47,499 also comes through the planning We ask for that report and then it's 167 01:11:47,999 --> 01:11:51,250 provided to us for review and, and we either, 168 01:11:51,783 --> 01:11:55,434 we review it internally or sometimes it is actually sent out 169 01:11:55,934 --> 01:11:59,212 for peer review also. Okay, 170 01:11:59,342 --> 01:12:02,520 so through the chair, my— or sorry, through the mayor because it's 171 01:12:03,020 --> 01:12:06,153 a special meeting, um, my question is, is that as we build up 172 01:12:06,653 --> 01:12:10,409 the waterfront, um, especially there's a, there's a, there's a lot of development now happening 173 01:12:10,522 --> 01:12:13,955 in Ward 3 Do we not have a specific evacuation 174 01:12:14,455 --> 01:12:18,290 analysis requirement in the terms of reference, especially for neighborhoods such as this one? 175 01:12:18,547 --> 01:12:22,047 And, and part of the reason I didn't support the Lake Breeze development was 176 01:12:22,079 --> 01:12:25,837 for this same reason— there was one in and one out. Uh, and so 177 01:12:26,575 --> 01:12:30,525 I want to know, A, is an evacuation analysis 178 01:12:30,654 --> 01:12:34,250 not currently required? And B, can that be added as 179 01:12:34,347 --> 01:12:38,184 a requirement for developments where there is only one access, or at 180 01:12:38,217 --> 01:12:41,813 the most two? Access and egress routes, 181 01:12:41,829 --> 01:12:45,891 because to me this does seem like a bit of an oversight, and I'm concerned 182 01:12:45,923 --> 01:12:48,925 for the safety of residents. This is also along a rail corridor, 183 01:12:49,455 --> 01:12:53,035 and again, if for some reason Coballdick Road becomes impassable, we've essentially 184 01:12:53,051 --> 01:12:56,518 trapped several thousand residents down there. And we know we 185 01:12:57,018 --> 01:13:00,596 did have a situation with, um, with the, with the train issue not 186 01:13:01,096 --> 01:13:04,947 that long ago, uh, which prevented access, uh, from, from the Lake 187 01:13:05,447 --> 01:13:08,688 Breeze area. So Can you please comment on that and if that's something 188 01:13:08,737 --> 01:13:10,564 that we want to look at going forward, please? 189 01:13:13,411 --> 01:13:16,986 So through the Mayor, uh, Nicole Zambri, the principal planner, can respond 190 01:13:17,486 --> 01:13:21,711 to that. It's also addressed within sections 10.37 and 10.38 of 191 01:13:21,775 --> 01:13:22,261 the report. 192 01:13:25,233 --> 01:13:29,279 Through the Mayor, um, so great question, and having written that report 193 01:13:29,328 --> 01:13:32,684 when that removal holding went forward, I am very familiar familiar 194 01:13:32,733 --> 01:13:36,380 with this situation. The difference in the Beaumont Creek case 195 01:13:36,653 --> 01:13:39,529 is that they have an at-grade separated crossing, 196 01:13:40,027 --> 01:13:43,407 and this proposed development is north of the CN rail line, 197 01:13:43,923 --> 01:13:47,182 so they're not directly impacted like the Lake Breeze community is, 198 01:13:47,763 --> 01:13:51,296 um, in the event of a derailment situation. 199 01:13:53,943 --> 01:13:57,405 Okay, and then what about the evacuation analysis as a, as a matter 200 01:13:57,422 --> 01:14:00,670 of protocol going forward? So that it's part of our 201 01:14:00,785 --> 01:14:01,774 terms of reference. 202 01:14:03,991 --> 01:14:07,656 So that could be more of a question for Karen then in terms 203 01:14:07,688 --> 01:14:11,451 of like what she's looking at technically. But in 204 01:14:11,483 --> 01:14:14,842 terms of this specific case, it is 205 01:14:15,101 --> 01:14:18,347 all north of that CN Rail line. So it would be no 206 01:14:18,847 --> 01:14:23,851 different than any other neighborhood subdivision in terms of access 207 01:14:23,950 --> 01:14:27,505 to public roads and major arteries and that sort of thing. So in 208 01:14:27,537 --> 01:14:31,082 this case, there's not— yeah, sorry, go ahead. No, it's okay. 209 01:14:31,162 --> 01:14:34,417 I'm just going to say just quickly, this one isn't the same though, 210 01:14:34,433 --> 01:14:37,080 because if Coballdick is not available, you only have one road. 211 01:14:38,186 --> 01:14:41,522 Yes. So there's another— there's an alternative access. And from what I understand from 212 01:14:41,650 --> 01:14:45,339 EMS is they always are looking for two access points. 213 01:14:45,996 --> 01:14:48,995 So in the case with the Lakeshore or the Lake Breeze community, 214 01:14:49,509 --> 01:14:52,563 both their access points are, uh, 215 01:14:52,789 --> 01:14:55,945 at-grade crossings. So, uh, and in that 216 01:14:56,445 --> 01:14:59,777 event, if there was ever derailment, the train lengths are long enough that they could 217 01:14:59,810 --> 01:15:03,078 block both at-grade crossings in that situation. 218 01:15:03,658 --> 01:15:06,395 Yeah, yes, that's why. Okay, 219 01:15:06,958 --> 01:15:10,586 um, Miss Richardson, would you be able to comment on whether or not this analysis 220 01:15:11,086 --> 01:15:15,270 is gonna— is part of our terms of reference going forward so that we're 221 01:15:15,286 --> 01:15:18,540 always addressing the concerns with, with, um, with evacuation. 222 01:15:18,639 --> 01:15:21,898 And again, I reiterate, this is because we're seeing a lot more waterfront development. 223 01:15:24,077 --> 01:15:27,607 So through the chair, through the mayor, it would be more of 224 01:15:27,656 --> 01:15:31,122 a site-specific requirement. So at the time 225 01:15:31,622 --> 01:15:35,683 of when we review the terms of reference, we would outline then that emergency 226 01:15:36,619 --> 01:15:40,960 access report would need to be included as part of supporting documentation 227 01:15:40,992 --> 01:15:44,435 for the development. So it's not a straight— it's not required 228 01:15:44,484 --> 01:15:47,018 for everyone. But it's site-specific. 229 01:15:48,635 --> 01:15:50,753 Okay. And was one required for this development? 230 01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,253 To my knowledge, they did do an analysis of the emergency 231 01:15:56,269 --> 01:15:59,668 evacuation and the EMS. Well, 232 01:15:59,796 --> 01:16:03,517 we had this— we asked the question and EMS said 233 01:16:03,565 --> 01:16:07,608 they had no concerns. So EMS would be the trigger for the report. 234 01:16:09,041 --> 01:16:13,117 Right. But is there a physical report in existence? That I can look at that 235 01:16:13,278 --> 01:16:16,677 assesses the safety from an evacuation standpoint? 236 01:16:25,225 --> 01:16:26,190 That, that was a question. 237 01:16:29,255 --> 01:16:32,468 Yes. So through the mayor, Nicole Zambri can speak to that 238 01:16:32,968 --> 01:16:36,585 on what has been submitted, the sporting, and, and also respond to that question. 239 01:16:42,997 --> 01:16:46,372 Through the mayor, um, from what 240 01:16:46,436 --> 01:16:50,469 I remember reading through the TIS report, it mentioned that 241 01:16:50,969 --> 01:16:54,374 there would be improvements made as part of this development that would actually 242 01:16:54,968 --> 01:16:58,439 potentially increase or better improve the traffic 243 01:16:58,939 --> 01:17:02,488 flow, as such as signalization, turning lanes, things like that. So it's actually 244 01:17:02,521 --> 01:17:05,739 going to improve the existing situation that's already there. 245 01:17:05,980 --> 01:17:09,988 And that's all I can recall from that report in terms of emergency access 246 01:17:10,488 --> 01:17:13,502 and response times. Okay, 247 01:17:13,728 --> 01:17:17,085 Councillor, and just to add to what Nicole Zambri has 248 01:17:17,117 --> 01:17:20,909 said, as has been mentioned by a couple of staff throughout 249 01:17:21,409 --> 01:17:24,932 the entire review of every one of these applications, they are circulated to our professionals 250 01:17:25,030 --> 01:17:28,657 in EMS that provide a technical review. The idea 251 01:17:29,157 --> 01:17:32,504 identify if there's additional work that's needed or not. We rely upon 252 01:17:33,004 --> 01:17:37,035 our professionals in order to provide that level of expertise, and through that, 253 01:17:37,067 --> 01:17:40,811 what we have is outlined in this report. There are no concerns from 254 01:17:41,311 --> 01:17:43,171 EMS regarding this proposal going forward. 255 01:17:45,034 --> 01:17:48,705 Okay, thank you, Mr. Lyons. I appreciate that. And of course, as councillors, we rely 256 01:17:49,205 --> 01:17:52,279 on professionals too. We're relying on you guys, so we're all— we all do the 257 01:17:52,295 --> 01:17:55,964 same thing. My concern is that I don't have an evacuation 258 01:17:56,464 --> 01:17:58,725 analysis an analysis that I can look at, that I can, that I can physically 259 01:17:59,225 --> 01:18:02,564 touch, and that I can read. So without that background information, 260 01:18:02,596 --> 01:18:06,370 I'm not comfortable supporting this. So, uh, I would like to— I'm, 261 01:18:06,627 --> 01:18:09,116 I'm going to be voting no on this, and I would like to request a 262 01:18:09,616 --> 01:18:13,212 recorded vote. Hopefully in the intervening time between this and the next opportunity, we have 263 01:18:13,712 --> 01:18:16,890 to look at this application by a secondary plan that will be able to determine 264 01:18:16,954 --> 01:18:20,231 if there is in fact an actual evacuation analysis that was done, 265 01:18:20,648 --> 01:18:22,931 uh, that, that we can, we can review. Thank you. 266 01:18:24,465 --> 01:18:27,759 So, Councillor Traill, on the consent agenda, 267 01:18:28,647 --> 01:18:31,762 nobody pulled anything to amend anything, 268 01:18:31,939 --> 01:18:35,818 so we have, we have already voted on 269 01:18:36,318 --> 01:18:37,766 this. So a recorded vote, 270 01:18:39,746 --> 01:18:41,066 that, that time has passed. 271 01:18:43,524 --> 01:18:44,946 Do you have anything further, Councillor? 272 01:18:46,958 --> 01:18:50,083 Uh, yeah, so when we do the confirming bylaw, I'll do a recorded 273 01:18:50,583 --> 01:18:53,739 vote on that because I, um, expressing my opposition to the approval of 274 01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:57,772 that item. Thanks. So there 275 01:18:58,272 --> 01:19:01,777 will be a confirming bylaw, but it'll be at the end of the public meeting. 276 01:19:03,288 --> 01:19:06,591 Okay, so the clerk is confirming that, uh, that we'll pull that. 277 01:19:06,671 --> 01:19:10,248 Councillor Woo, I see you're reaching for your mic. 278 01:19:11,356 --> 01:19:14,883 Floor is yours, sir. Yeah, through Your Worship and to, 279 01:19:15,301 --> 01:19:18,985 uh, the director of Planning and Development. 280 01:19:20,163 --> 01:19:24,389 I did ask the question to the, the agent 281 01:19:24,421 --> 01:19:25,536 for the developer, 282 01:19:28,221 --> 01:19:31,359 and in the report 5.21, 283 01:19:32,792 --> 01:19:36,267 it says the height of buildings shall be a minimum of 6 stories and maximum 284 01:19:36,767 --> 01:19:40,842 of 8 stories. The revised proposal has low-rise apartment buildings 285 01:19:40,874 --> 01:19:44,095 with a height of 4 stories, which necessitates necessitated the need 286 01:19:44,595 --> 01:19:47,662 for an amendment to the high-density designation for Block 10. 287 01:19:48,176 --> 01:19:51,969 Block 10 is the one to the north, which basically wraps around 288 01:19:52,836 --> 01:19:53,865 Wilmot Creek Drive. 289 01:19:56,805 --> 01:20:01,127 Is there something that we can request that the 290 01:20:01,207 --> 01:20:04,441 buildings be kept to a 4-story height? 291 01:20:07,844 --> 01:20:11,590 So through the mayor, The challenge with that 292 01:20:11,654 --> 01:20:15,171 is you have a current secondary plan that's already in place that enables 293 01:20:15,187 --> 01:20:18,767 higher density. This official plan amendment that is before 294 01:20:19,217 --> 01:20:22,798 council would essentially vary and essentially 295 01:20:22,894 --> 01:20:26,491 lower the amount of development that is to occur in this area by 296 01:20:26,507 --> 01:20:30,665 almost 300 units. So while it is possible 297 01:20:30,697 --> 01:20:33,909 through an official plan amendment, and council can make a decision on the official plan 298 01:20:34,409 --> 01:20:38,148 amendment whether to to modify it or not. But I would anticipate 299 01:20:38,648 --> 01:20:42,226 that this would likely get appealed to the Ontario Land Tribunal in the fact of 300 01:20:42,274 --> 01:20:46,561 the amount of modification that the developer has already essentially 301 01:20:46,658 --> 01:20:49,901 acquiesced on for this site. So yes, 302 01:20:50,126 --> 01:20:53,498 you— it could be amended. However, you would 303 01:20:53,998 --> 01:20:57,464 have to amend, of course, the secondary plan through the official plan amendment, the zoning 304 01:20:57,512 --> 01:21:00,792 bylaw amendment as well. And then once a decision goes out, it would go out 305 01:21:00,825 --> 01:21:02,206 for an appeal period of 20 days. 306 01:21:04,434 --> 01:21:10,090 So it is a case where this council could 307 01:21:10,590 --> 01:21:13,900 make that motion, but as you said, it could 308 01:21:13,965 --> 01:21:17,218 be appealed to the OLT. 309 01:21:17,672 --> 01:21:22,123 Is that correct? So through the mayor, that is correct. 310 01:21:22,350 --> 01:21:25,866 You also have a staff report recommending approval from your staff staff 311 01:21:26,366 --> 01:21:29,467 as well, which would result in a situation if there isn't 312 01:21:29,483 --> 01:21:33,469 an appeal to the Ontario Land Tribunal that we would have to secure 313 01:21:33,662 --> 01:21:37,679 outside council, outside council likely, as well as for sure 314 01:21:37,728 --> 01:21:39,016 professional planners. 315 01:21:41,334 --> 01:21:44,932 Now, and as the 316 01:21:45,432 --> 01:21:48,707 previous, uh, well, Councillor Traill, when she mentioned about 317 01:21:49,207 --> 01:21:50,917 the evacuation or emergency evacuation, 318 01:21:52,710 --> 01:21:56,710 And with this, is this something that we could refer 319 01:21:56,742 --> 01:22:01,048 back to staff to discuss with the, the developer 320 01:22:01,339 --> 01:22:02,616 about these two issues? 321 01:22:05,057 --> 01:22:08,840 So through the mayor, through the further implementation, this is essentially 322 01:22:08,872 --> 01:22:12,325 establishing principle of development, a couple changes, as well as 323 01:22:12,472 --> 01:22:16,165 zoning for the site. When they come forward for site plan approval, of course, 324 01:22:16,181 --> 01:22:19,833 we'll be working very very closely with them. We could have further conversations. 325 01:22:19,914 --> 01:22:23,496 We are always looking through our reviews of those applications. 326 01:22:23,592 --> 01:22:26,917 They get circulated to EMS. They give us feedback. A lot 327 01:22:27,417 --> 01:22:30,868 of the departments across this organization, as well as to the region, they all 328 01:22:30,933 --> 01:22:34,081 see this. They'll give us feedback. We can look at those things. 329 01:22:34,129 --> 01:22:37,422 We can have conversations about them in order to ensure that, 330 01:22:37,888 --> 01:22:40,602 um, those elements are addressed appropriately. 331 01:22:42,064 --> 01:22:45,509 But I do I want to just sort of close on the fact that EMS 332 01:22:45,686 --> 01:22:49,389 has reviewed this from a policy as well as a zoning perspective 333 01:22:49,889 --> 01:22:53,667 and currently has no concerns. But they will be involved through the subsequent process when 334 01:22:54,167 --> 01:22:54,624 we review the site plan. 335 01:22:56,419 --> 01:22:59,914 Okay. And my last question again, 336 01:23:00,675 --> 01:23:05,416 it was discussion about baseball 337 01:23:05,465 --> 01:23:08,824 diamond. For parks, 338 01:23:09,531 --> 01:23:13,336 they have increased the size of the park block 339 01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,596 13 from 0.71 to 340 01:23:16,772 --> 01:23:20,835 1.02 hectares, and block 14, 341 01:23:21,140 --> 01:23:24,704 0.6 to 0.79 block 342 01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:28,863 14. Now, the municipality would assume 343 01:23:28,895 --> 01:23:32,636 those parks, are they big enough for a baseball diamond, 344 01:23:32,813 --> 01:23:36,842 or could block IT in an open space. Will we ever put a baseball diamond 345 01:23:37,342 --> 01:23:37,677 in an open space? 346 01:23:41,060 --> 01:23:44,874 So through the mayor, normally we would never put 347 01:23:44,955 --> 01:23:48,576 a baseball diamond into open space. Open space is more of a protective 348 01:23:48,689 --> 01:23:52,458 type of designation. Generally we would only put them within our park spaces. 349 01:23:53,122 --> 01:23:56,539 The parks themselves that are brought forward, of course it will go through a 350 01:23:57,039 --> 01:24:00,538 fulsome review as well as consultation of what elements should be put 351 01:24:01,038 --> 01:24:04,500 into that, we use the guidance from council and the approved Parks and Rec 352 01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,704 master plan that will inform what are the needed uses within that park and 353 01:24:09,204 --> 01:24:12,698 within that area. And then of course we'd come forward asking for a budget 354 01:24:12,827 --> 01:24:15,722 in order to implement it as well. Right, okay, thank you. 355 01:24:18,383 --> 01:24:20,460 Do we have any further questions on this? 356 01:24:22,570 --> 01:24:25,950 Yeah, so Darryl, I, I've got a couple in, in there. Either a 357 01:24:26,014 --> 01:24:29,606 follow-on to Councillor Woo's. 358 01:24:30,264 --> 01:24:34,401 Everyone wants to avoid the OLT because 359 01:24:34,497 --> 01:24:38,362 it, it just creates so much uncertainty. And to your point, where there 360 01:24:38,862 --> 01:24:43,093 is a positive staff report, uh, report that, that puts 361 01:24:43,593 --> 01:24:47,006 a mountain in front of us. Um, and I don't mean that 362 01:24:47,506 --> 01:24:50,695 in a, in a bad way towards staff, just so you know. 363 01:24:51,192 --> 01:24:54,061 But moving forward, I, you know, we've, 364 01:24:54,302 --> 01:24:57,572 we've heard a desire from the residents to have 365 01:24:57,844 --> 01:25:01,483 some ongoing dialogue, some understanding perhaps 366 01:25:01,756 --> 01:25:05,619 of, you know, an evacuation plan so they've 367 01:25:06,119 --> 01:25:10,027 got some, some comfort. Councillor Wu brings up, you know, the, the ball 368 01:25:10,527 --> 01:25:13,650 diamond, which it sounds like we don't have a great answer for right now, 369 01:25:13,730 --> 01:25:17,610 if we have an answer for it all. And, and there are other issues 370 01:25:18,110 --> 01:25:21,482 you know, around about a number of things. The, 371 01:25:21,643 --> 01:25:25,692 the 4 stories makes the residents happier, 372 01:25:25,757 --> 01:25:29,695 but they are fully aware that it 373 01:25:30,195 --> 01:25:33,447 may be a bit of a red herring where it's not going to be 4. 374 01:25:34,481 --> 01:25:37,499 So as we, as we move forward with this, 375 01:25:38,673 --> 01:25:42,999 what can happen in terms of talking to the residents and 376 01:25:43,499 --> 01:25:46,969 ensuring that where possible their, their concerns are met, 377 01:25:47,355 --> 01:25:50,898 as opposed to the developers saying, well, you, you put 378 01:25:51,398 --> 01:25:54,487 your hand up, um, we're, we're just bulldozing through. 379 01:26:02,005 --> 01:26:05,359 So through the mayor, you ask a very interesting question, 380 01:26:05,375 --> 01:26:08,649 which is why I was just conferring with our manager in development planning, 381 01:26:08,762 --> 01:26:12,239 because once If council, through what 382 01:26:12,739 --> 01:26:16,299 we've heard today, has approved the official plan amendment, which as we've said is 383 01:26:16,476 --> 01:26:20,151 only changing a couple minor things to vary from what the approved secondary plan 384 01:26:20,167 --> 01:26:23,843 has, and the zoning is implementing it, we would then be working 385 01:26:23,875 --> 01:26:27,229 closely with the developer when they come forward with site plan 386 01:26:27,729 --> 01:26:31,627 applications. Site plan applications, unfortunately, the province has really 387 01:26:31,723 --> 01:26:34,853 changed the planning system regarding public 388 01:26:35,353 --> 01:26:38,883 inputs, notice processes for public meetings, all of that. So it 389 01:26:39,383 --> 01:26:42,833 almost becomes a much more closed framework at that point because 390 01:26:43,333 --> 01:26:47,136 it's working out some of the detail. But from what I'm hearing today, 391 01:26:47,377 --> 01:26:50,604 and we want to work very closely with the community, these are 392 01:26:51,104 --> 01:26:54,089 things that I'd like to take that back and try and figure out how can 393 01:26:54,217 --> 01:26:57,509 we help support communication in this area. It's a large area 394 01:26:58,009 --> 01:27:01,603 that's coming on, it's implementing a vision of council for that secondary plan. And I 395 01:27:02,103 --> 01:27:05,728 think there's probably some methods in which we can at least make sure there's 396 01:27:06,017 --> 01:27:08,761 awareness around these pieces, looking into that as well. 397 01:27:09,227 --> 01:27:14,250 Plus, all of the material that we have associated with these, uh, these applications 398 01:27:14,668 --> 01:27:17,845 are fully available. So if any of the residents want to look at any of 399 01:27:17,878 --> 01:27:21,216 those, we can share them. We can get out all of the studies as well, 400 01:27:21,425 --> 01:27:25,084 and our staff would be happy to sit down with anybody and walk through that. 401 01:27:25,614 --> 01:27:29,151 Okay, thank you. And, and Mr. Juttant, I would 402 01:27:29,201 --> 01:27:33,194 encourage the developer. I, you know, it could simply be a matter 403 01:27:33,489 --> 01:27:36,804 of explaining, explaining a number of things, 404 01:27:36,836 --> 01:27:40,217 explaining how they got to— so I, I will 405 01:27:40,717 --> 01:27:43,630 hope that we reach out. Obviously, the homeowners association would be the, 406 01:27:44,277 --> 01:27:47,901 the best starting point to, to engage in dialogue on 407 01:27:47,934 --> 01:27:49,934 this. Thank you ever so much. 408 01:27:51,911 --> 01:27:55,827 So that is the end 409 01:27:55,876 --> 01:27:57,833 of the consent agenda. 410 01:27:59,980 --> 01:28:03,081 The public meeting will start at 6 o'clock. 411 01:28:04,088 --> 01:28:07,888 So folks, we will see you back for the public meetings at 6 o'clock. 412 02:11:52,364 --> 02:11:54,901 Since we have owned the property and built there, 413 02:11:55,817 --> 02:11:59,543 we have respected the tributary and split our farmland into two fields because it is 414 02:11:59,607 --> 02:12:01,969 too wet to drive our farm equipment through the swale. 415 02:12:03,125 --> 02:12:06,867 The Baptist Church on the third concession has been very kind allowing us to access 416 02:12:06,996 --> 02:12:10,237 the southern portion of our land but we have to be very careful to not 417 02:12:10,285 --> 02:12:13,635 damage their property when the area is wet. The bungalow 418 02:12:14,135 --> 02:12:16,680 to the west of the subject property was flooded 2 years ago during a heavy 419 02:12:17,180 --> 02:12:20,110 rainfall, and I've managed to get my own tractor stuck in the mud in those 420 02:12:20,207 --> 02:12:23,332 fields on more than one occasion. We have been very careful 421 02:12:23,832 --> 02:12:27,259 to ensure the tributary remains untouched to ensure drainage, but this 422 02:12:27,759 --> 02:12:30,898 proposal looks to drop 23 townhouse units directly on top 423 02:12:31,398 --> 02:12:34,921 of it. The bottom line is that careful inspections need to occur, and I'm 424 02:12:34,969 --> 02:12:38,576 more than willing to assist with providing accurate information about water 425 02:12:39,076 --> 02:12:42,551 flow through this area. I'm a big fan of Henry Ford. 426 02:12:42,744 --> 02:12:46,110 So, Rick, how much— how much time do you need? I need 1 minute. 427 02:12:46,431 --> 02:12:49,926 Okay, go ahead. I'm a big fan of Henry Ford, and he was 428 02:12:49,958 --> 02:12:54,045 quoted as saying, don't bring me problems, bring me solutions. So rather than stand 429 02:12:54,545 --> 02:12:57,492 here and only voice concerns, I'm offering a solution that allows the property to be 430 02:12:57,992 --> 02:13:01,740 developed while addressing density, traffic, noise, and most importantly, staying out 431 02:13:02,240 --> 02:13:05,658 of the creek. Did you hand those out already? On the second document 432 02:13:06,158 --> 02:13:09,673 we submitted, there's a townhouse complex kitty-corner on the southeast corner of 433 02:13:10,173 --> 02:13:13,673 Liberty Street, Third Concession intersections. It's made up of 434 02:13:13,705 --> 02:13:17,030 two buildings with three large townhouse units in one and four to five units in 435 02:13:17,062 --> 02:13:20,130 the other. Using an aerial shot, we marked the property and then 436 02:13:20,630 --> 02:13:24,177 transposed it on the subject property. It's fit— fits well in the eastern portion 437 02:13:24,677 --> 02:13:28,466 of the subject property, and more, more importantly, stays out of the creek. These townhouse 438 02:13:28,966 --> 02:13:32,867 units would fit well in the existing neighborhood, is made up of 439 02:13:33,367 --> 02:13:35,821 single-family dwellings and estate lots to the north. It could also provide green space and 440 02:13:35,837 --> 02:13:39,166 playground areas. So, Rick, at this point I'm going to need a motion. So you're 441 02:13:39,230 --> 02:13:42,946 well beyond, uh, your time. Well, thank you for your— Councilor Anderson was— 442 02:13:43,288 --> 02:13:45,114 you were giving a motion for 2 minutes. 443 02:13:50,846 --> 02:13:53,897 You know, I'm looking at you and not pushing the button. Okay, okay. How much, 444 02:13:54,074 --> 02:13:56,076 how much time do you need? 15 seconds. 445 02:13:56,189 --> 02:14:00,259 One 3 lines left. You know what, 446 02:14:00,534 --> 02:14:03,915 go ahead. Okay. These townhouses units would fit in the existing 447 02:14:03,947 --> 02:14:07,587 neighborhood that's made up of single-family dwellings in the state lots to the north. 448 02:14:07,684 --> 02:14:11,000 It could also provide green space and playground areas which do not exist 449 02:14:11,500 --> 02:14:13,895 in the current plan. If the applicant were to come back with a plan that 450 02:14:14,395 --> 02:14:18,100 mirrors the complex in the southeast corner, it stays out of the tributary. I'm sure 451 02:14:18,600 --> 02:14:21,542 that would help alleviate the concerns we have. Thank you for your time and the 452 02:14:22,042 --> 02:14:25,387 extra time. All righty, so before I go to 453 02:14:25,772 --> 02:14:29,722 members of council with questions, Rick, you're aware, and for members that 454 02:14:30,222 --> 02:14:33,286 are here in the audience, this is initial public meeting. Yes, 455 02:14:33,864 --> 02:14:37,718 council are making no decision this evening. This will go 456 02:14:37,734 --> 02:14:40,849 back to staff, they will take all of your questions and 457 02:14:40,865 --> 02:14:44,686 concerns, and a report will be coming. But, but no decisions 458 02:14:44,718 --> 02:14:47,624 are being made on the spot. That's correct. Okay, perfect. Thank you. 459 02:14:47,994 --> 02:14:51,833 So I will look to members of council for questions to 460 02:14:52,333 --> 02:14:52,433 the delegate. 461 02:14:55,740 --> 02:14:59,026 Councillor Elhajji. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You turned me off before, 462 02:14:59,155 --> 02:15:02,345 but now you turn me back. Yeah, anyways, 463 02:15:02,925 --> 02:15:06,769 I was going to crack a joke there, but inappropriate. I like jokes. Go ahead. 464 02:15:07,203 --> 02:15:10,850 Yeah, bad joke. Yeah, close enough. Thank you, Rick. Thank you for coming for explaining. 465 02:15:11,605 --> 02:15:14,175 You briefly, briefly touched upon cloaca. 466 02:15:15,630 --> 02:15:19,066 And how you raised your concerns to Cloaca. So I'm just wondering if there has 467 02:15:19,098 --> 02:15:23,176 been a response from Cloaca. Yes, I spoke to a 468 02:15:23,676 --> 02:15:27,222 representative from Cloaca yesterday by phone, and it was kind 469 02:15:27,722 --> 02:15:30,127 of an odd response. He said there are things in the file that he could 470 02:15:30,160 --> 02:15:33,884 not share with me, which I understand that, but he was going 471 02:15:34,384 --> 02:15:37,930 to be looking into it and taking biologists from Clarington, 472 02:15:37,962 --> 02:15:40,659 I believe. Clarington has an on-staff biologist. 473 02:15:41,639 --> 02:15:45,575 And representatives from Kloka to not only look at what has transpired 474 02:15:46,075 --> 02:15:49,447 on the land, but also to look at the setbacks on the southern edge 475 02:15:49,947 --> 02:15:53,849 of our property, whether that's considered water 476 02:15:54,349 --> 02:15:58,026 flow or watershed, whether it's 3 meters or 30 meters. So they 477 02:15:58,526 --> 02:16:00,757 were going to be exploring all that. But beyond that, he said thank you for 478 02:16:01,257 --> 02:16:04,195 your email and the phone call, and he would be back to me. So it 479 02:16:04,259 --> 02:16:08,034 sounds like there's like an active investigation for Kloka going on. Yeah, but he wouldn't 480 02:16:08,534 --> 02:16:12,072 share all the details with me, which it's probably legal requirements and frameworks that they 481 02:16:12,572 --> 02:16:14,908 have to do. I understand that. Yeah. Okay. And then, uh, just to clarify as 482 02:16:14,956 --> 02:16:18,241 well, because you, you, you went really quickly over, over what— 483 02:16:18,257 --> 02:16:21,895 can you just describe this? Okay. In a slower, more detailed 484 02:16:22,395 --> 02:16:25,436 manner. Beating the clock there. Thank you. So that, that is on the southeast 485 02:16:25,469 --> 02:16:28,802 corner of that same intersection. It's really 486 02:16:28,818 --> 02:16:32,664 well done townhouse unit of— made of 3 units. Looks like a, 487 02:16:33,465 --> 02:16:37,012 for lack of a better term, or premier type 488 02:16:37,574 --> 02:16:41,878 townhouse with another set of 4 or 5 premium 489 02:16:42,215 --> 02:16:45,378 townhouses, what I'm trying to say, another 4 or 5 on the other side. 490 02:16:45,522 --> 02:16:48,766 And I just, actually Morgan took that block and 491 02:16:48,830 --> 02:16:52,619 moved it over and transposed it on the subject property to say, 492 02:16:52,668 --> 02:16:57,035 hey, this would fit and stays out of that creek and 493 02:16:57,709 --> 02:17:00,872 stay away from any drainage issues. Okay. Okay. 494 02:17:01,081 --> 02:17:05,274 Thank you. Just as an example. And it was more the style versus cramming 23 495 02:17:05,821 --> 02:17:09,580 units into that small block and 496 02:17:10,560 --> 02:17:14,352 the increased traffic, the density, no play area. 497 02:17:14,738 --> 02:17:18,658 There's no septic in there, so I assume he's got to tie in with— north 498 02:17:18,690 --> 02:17:22,417 of the Third, there's no services, sanitary. So he's got to either buy 499 02:17:22,626 --> 02:17:26,273 or come up with some type of septic system in there, which isn't 500 02:17:26,773 --> 02:17:29,982 provided, and without any play area, just paying 501 02:17:30,078 --> 02:17:33,563 for parkland, that doesn't solve the problem of where 23 families 502 02:17:34,063 --> 02:17:35,939 are going to have their kids play in there. I know where they're going to 503 02:17:35,955 --> 02:17:39,327 end up. They're going to end up in our farm field, which is not a 504 02:17:39,827 --> 02:17:43,518 play area. That's an actively farmed property. Absolutely. 505 02:17:43,566 --> 02:17:47,885 That was one of my questions to the developer as well regarding the parkland 506 02:17:47,917 --> 02:17:51,418 and play area. So I'll be asking that later, but thank you for answering 507 02:17:51,450 --> 02:17:53,857 my question. Questions, and I appreciate you being here. Thank you. Thanks. 508 02:17:55,043 --> 02:17:57,513 Thank you, Councillor. I've got Councillor Anderson next. 509 02:17:58,251 --> 02:18:01,731 Thank you. I just want to emphasize, as the mayor said, this is just 510 02:18:02,231 --> 02:18:06,333 an information gathering session. It's just to gather information. 511 02:18:06,606 --> 02:18:10,374 No decisions are being made. Are you opposed to the 23 512 02:18:10,535 --> 02:18:13,999 units? Are you opposed to any kind of development? 513 02:18:14,127 --> 02:18:17,959 Or— no, that's— and that's why I provided that that 514 02:18:18,007 --> 02:18:21,347 second document, that if the applicant were 515 02:18:21,847 --> 02:18:26,260 to consider that, I wouldn't have any opposition to 516 02:18:26,760 --> 02:18:30,033 putting that type of development in there. Just stay away from that 517 02:18:30,533 --> 02:18:33,293 creek and whatever's happened to that creek over the last 3 years, 518 02:18:34,690 --> 02:18:37,259 'cause there is water coming through there, no question. 519 02:18:37,741 --> 02:18:41,241 I know that property inside out, and there are ducks in there in 520 02:18:41,273 --> 02:18:44,501 the spring. They nest down in there. But you have 521 02:18:45,001 --> 02:18:48,644 alluded to the fact that Cloca is actively involved in this currently, 522 02:18:48,660 --> 02:18:52,112 so we are not sure what would be allowed 523 02:18:52,612 --> 02:18:56,062 or what wouldn't be allowed. No, no, Cloca may come in and say— Right, 524 02:18:56,126 --> 02:18:59,530 right. Yeah, that's their decision. But if Cloca 525 02:18:59,578 --> 02:19:02,532 were to ask me, what are you okay with? 526 02:19:03,110 --> 02:19:06,386 You take that block from the southeast corner, move it over here, I wouldn't be 527 02:19:06,886 --> 02:19:10,582 opposed to that so long as it meets all the setbacks and guidelines as 528 02:19:11,082 --> 02:19:13,322 established by Clarington, Durham Region, and CLOCA. 529 02:19:14,450 --> 02:19:16,142 Okay, thank you. 530 02:19:17,578 --> 02:19:20,799 Thank you. Councillor Woo. 531 02:19:22,191 --> 02:19:24,927 Yeah, to Your Worship, thank you very much, 532 02:19:25,672 --> 02:19:27,384 Morgan and Rick. 533 02:19:29,564 --> 02:19:33,826 What you handed out, and you have the red line, but I see the development 534 02:19:34,068 --> 02:19:38,000 and pretty well they're driveway is coming for that 535 02:19:38,048 --> 02:19:41,452 development is accessing Concession Road 536 02:19:41,485 --> 02:19:44,696 3, basically where the house is. Yes. The house to 537 02:19:45,196 --> 02:19:48,469 the west. And, but it's basically right 538 02:19:48,969 --> 02:19:52,210 over top, what creek is that or what waterway is that? That's a tributary 539 02:19:52,307 --> 02:19:56,096 3, it's identified as tributary 3 that feeds eventually down 540 02:19:56,596 --> 02:20:00,287 to Sober Creek. Sober Creek. Yes. And that's out of this 541 02:20:00,897 --> 02:20:04,606 This North Glen Environmental, which I was part of that development. 542 02:20:05,553 --> 02:20:09,149 We elected not to proceed with Kemps and Holmanen at 543 02:20:09,165 --> 02:20:12,296 the time. We preferred to have the farmed 544 02:20:12,796 --> 02:20:17,385 fields. So— but I was part and paid for the environmental 545 02:20:17,885 --> 02:20:22,025 impact study just so I knew what the property concerns 546 02:20:22,090 --> 02:20:25,959 were. Right. And right now— not that it's been destroyed. 547 02:20:26,039 --> 02:20:28,449 Councillor Wolff, if I could just Just back up. You're talking about that driveway. 548 02:20:28,513 --> 02:20:32,385 I did speak to my neighbour to the west. And he was very concerned. 549 02:20:32,450 --> 02:20:35,920 He wasn't able to be here tonight, but he was concerned about their driveway side 550 02:20:36,420 --> 02:20:40,403 by side with the volume of traffic coming out of the 551 02:20:40,903 --> 02:20:44,324 proposed area. And if that roundabout goes in, the cars 552 02:20:44,356 --> 02:20:48,229 coming down Liberty Street and heading directly west, 553 02:20:48,293 --> 02:20:52,149 I don't know if you've been in that area lately, but that intersection is treacherous 554 02:20:52,649 --> 02:20:56,384 at best. I've had, since we moved there in 2005, we've had 3 air ambulances 555 02:20:56,464 --> 02:20:59,688 land on our property for accidents. It's a 556 02:21:00,188 --> 02:21:03,985 bad corner. And speaking of that corner, there's a proposed 557 02:21:05,445 --> 02:21:09,165 roundabout in that area. Yeah, that's, that roundabout, they marked 558 02:21:09,665 --> 02:21:12,549 our property again this week, so I don't know what the status is now, 559 02:21:12,677 --> 02:21:16,125 whether it's moving again. They've done the locates on our 560 02:21:16,625 --> 02:21:20,041 property probably a dozen times now. Over the last 2 to 3 561 02:21:20,541 --> 02:21:24,111 years. Right. And the waterway in itself, 562 02:21:24,223 --> 02:21:26,346 like, for the property, the house is still there. 563 02:21:28,314 --> 02:21:31,495 Have you seen any activity going on? There are cars 564 02:21:31,607 --> 02:21:34,274 parked there, but I don't know if anyone's actually living there. 565 02:21:34,981 --> 02:21:38,923 I don't know. It seems to be boarded up, but I can't say 566 02:21:39,423 --> 02:21:42,907 that for sure. So the property is being maintained. The grass 567 02:21:43,036 --> 02:21:47,005 is being cut. The grass, as of Monday, 568 02:21:47,359 --> 02:21:50,414 the strip where the water comes through was not able to be cut with a 569 02:21:50,914 --> 02:21:53,261 lawn mower, it was too wet. But I see it has been cut, I assume 570 02:21:53,325 --> 02:21:56,711 by someone with rubber boots and a weed eater to cut the 571 02:21:57,211 --> 02:21:59,714 grass down. Okay, thank you very much. 572 02:22:01,599 --> 02:22:04,373 Okay. Okay, I'll look to council. Do we have any further questions? 573 02:22:05,737 --> 02:22:09,477 Rick, you noted that you have sent your questions and concerns 574 02:22:09,575 --> 02:22:12,776 by email to staff. Yes. Do you know how much 575 02:22:12,872 --> 02:22:16,259 staff appreciate getting those emails because they have, you know, 576 02:22:16,419 --> 02:22:19,790 a documented set of questions as opposed 577 02:22:20,290 --> 02:22:23,160 to writing down? I'm sharing this for the benefit of everyone. There you go. 578 02:22:23,305 --> 02:22:26,996 I can— tomorrow I will forward that email to Mayor and Council as well so 579 02:22:27,013 --> 02:22:30,784 you have it. So I must say, the planner with this project has 580 02:22:31,284 --> 02:22:34,653 been very helpful. I'm quite pleased with the response I've been getting from her. 581 02:22:34,813 --> 02:22:38,537 It's good to hear. And again, for, for being here tonight and for submitting those, 582 02:22:38,633 --> 02:22:41,063 thank you very much. Okay, all righty. 583 02:22:42,092 --> 02:22:46,034 Thank you for your time. So again, 584 02:22:46,340 --> 02:22:50,043 uh, for any members, uh, any members of the public in attendance, 585 02:22:50,285 --> 02:22:54,214 uh, if you'd like to speak in support or opposition 586 02:22:54,310 --> 02:22:55,604 to the file, please come forward. 587 02:22:58,368 --> 02:23:02,201 And if you'd write your, uh, your name, contact information 588 02:23:02,233 --> 02:23:03,409 there, that would be wonderful. 589 02:23:34,027 --> 02:23:37,109 You actually just turned it off. I apologize. Perfect. 590 02:23:37,173 --> 02:23:40,945 Good evening, everyone. We can, uh, my name is Melanie Chico. 591 02:23:41,411 --> 02:23:44,717 I am a longtime resident of Clarington. 592 02:23:44,798 --> 02:23:48,329 I have worked here and lived here for 25 years. Uh, I'm a local 593 02:23:48,829 --> 02:23:52,149 elementary teacher, uh, and I am also a very new resident of 594 02:23:52,181 --> 02:23:55,295 the neighborhood that backs onto, uh, this property that 595 02:23:55,312 --> 02:23:59,020 we're speaking of tonight. Uh, I live on Jennings Drive, which is just 596 02:23:59,068 --> 02:24:02,941 on the south side of the Concession Road. So my bedroom window looks 597 02:24:03,441 --> 02:24:06,653 directly into this proposed development. My neighbor did 598 02:24:07,153 --> 02:24:10,700 an excellent job of speaking to the environmental concerns, and I stand by 599 02:24:10,813 --> 02:24:13,444 all of those concerns that he's already shared. I won't repeat them. 600 02:24:14,139 --> 02:24:17,879 The concern that I'd like to bring forward to council tonight is from 601 02:24:17,927 --> 02:24:20,852 a parent perspective, from a safety— as a safety issue. 602 02:24:22,748 --> 02:24:26,753 Sometimes I'm told, and I understand in my learning this week, that these 603 02:24:26,950 --> 02:24:30,470 development proposals don't sometimes consider the wider picture serve 604 02:24:30,502 --> 02:24:33,663 the impact to the citizens and the community members who live close by. 605 02:24:34,336 --> 02:24:37,513 Uh, and one thing I would like to bring forward to council is, um, 606 02:24:38,524 --> 02:24:41,989 this area was within the catchment area for the brand 607 02:24:42,037 --> 02:24:45,727 new North Glen Orchards Public School, which is just opening this week, which I happen 608 02:24:46,227 --> 02:24:49,625 to be a teacher at. Uh, and so the students who live in this— who 609 02:24:49,754 --> 02:24:53,428 will live in this proposed community, uh, will be within the catchment 610 02:24:53,524 --> 02:24:56,909 area for North Glen Orchards. Um, when you look at the map and 611 02:24:57,409 --> 02:25:00,808 if you go to the KPRDSB website, you'll notice that The catchment 612 02:25:01,308 --> 02:25:04,804 areas are very strictly enforced, and there's good reason for that. Those things have 613 02:25:04,836 --> 02:25:08,158 been held in true for the board for a very long time, um, 614 02:25:08,431 --> 02:25:11,834 and because these students are where they are 615 02:25:11,978 --> 02:25:15,557 in that specific, uh, plot, um, they live 616 02:25:15,670 --> 02:25:19,586 1.5 kilometers from the front doors of North Glen Orchards 617 02:25:19,602 --> 02:25:23,422 Public School, and KPR has enlisted a brand new policy 618 02:25:23,438 --> 02:25:26,648 this year where the busing distance for these students is 619 02:25:26,664 --> 02:25:29,971 1.6 kilometers, and there is there's absolutely 620 02:25:30,471 --> 02:25:33,940 no flexibility, I assure you, of that distance, which means 621 02:25:33,956 --> 02:25:37,476 that we can assume that the students who live— are going to live in this 622 02:25:37,974 --> 02:25:40,598 proposed development will be walking to school. 623 02:25:42,563 --> 02:25:46,282 I can assure you that as a resident of that neighborhood, it is not a 624 02:25:46,782 --> 02:25:48,850 safe place to walk with your children. 625 02:25:49,921 --> 02:25:53,100 I have 4 children who live with me on Jennings Drive. None of 626 02:25:53,600 --> 02:25:56,874 them are allowed to go on Concession 3. There is a high 627 02:25:56,906 --> 02:26:00,386 volume of traffic. There are speed concerns about that traffic. 628 02:26:00,691 --> 02:26:04,283 The intersection at Liberty and Concession is a question mark 629 02:26:04,363 --> 02:26:08,180 at best and a danger at worst. So these 630 02:26:08,292 --> 02:26:12,333 proposed families who are buying in this proposed development may 631 02:26:12,833 --> 02:26:16,487 not know when they purchase their home or they rent their home that the expectation 632 02:26:16,987 --> 02:26:20,945 is going to be that they walk their children along Concession 3 to 633 02:26:20,977 --> 02:26:24,696 get to their children's assigned school. My students are— 634 02:26:24,728 --> 02:26:28,815 my children are a little bit older, but my 9 to 13-year-olds 635 02:26:29,315 --> 02:26:32,517 would not be allowed to walk along there, never mind students who would be starting 636 02:26:33,017 --> 02:26:37,084 at North Glen at 3 and 4 years old. This is a, a major question 637 02:26:37,584 --> 02:26:41,154 mark that I think sometimes gets overlooked when we propose these kinds of developments. 638 02:26:41,266 --> 02:26:45,176 I'm certainly by no means saying that we shouldn't develop the property. I just 639 02:26:45,676 --> 02:26:50,288 think having an eye on that impact and the way that that would 640 02:26:50,788 --> 02:26:54,423 impact those families should be really well researched and well, uh, discovered. Um, so my 641 02:26:54,471 --> 02:26:58,076 concerns from a safety perspective, from the student perspective, but also from a 642 02:26:58,576 --> 02:27:02,467 traffic standpoint— um, as I said, my backyard backs onto Concession 643 02:27:02,967 --> 02:27:07,579 3, and my family sits in our backyard and listens to cars constantly. 644 02:27:08,236 --> 02:27:12,627 Uh, we made that choice in buying that home, but adding that significant 645 02:27:12,659 --> 02:27:15,850 volume of traffic to that very small area of 646 02:27:16,350 --> 02:27:19,636 the road will be a significant change to the 647 02:27:20,136 --> 02:27:23,694 community members who already own properties there, as well as adding to 648 02:27:24,288 --> 02:27:27,432 the safety concern that are already well documented for that part of 649 02:27:27,480 --> 02:27:30,785 the community. Um, there's also several, uh, 650 02:27:30,865 --> 02:27:33,977 additional plots of land within the North Glen subdivision that 651 02:27:34,477 --> 02:27:37,923 have still not been developed, 3 to my knowledge, um, one of 652 02:27:38,423 --> 02:27:41,758 which has an increase of potentially 700 units. So if 653 02:27:42,258 --> 02:27:45,609 you add all those things together and you consider the real people that would live 654 02:27:46,109 --> 02:27:49,541 in those properties, you're potentially adding between 1,000 655 02:27:49,573 --> 02:27:53,874 and 1,200 cars to an already congested area 656 02:27:53,954 --> 02:27:57,389 of our town in the next 3 to 5 years. From what I can, 657 02:27:57,661 --> 02:28:00,919 I can tell from looking at the literature, that's a huge concern. 658 02:28:01,914 --> 02:28:05,092 And while I understand the need for developing property as 659 02:28:05,124 --> 02:28:08,864 a growing community, I absolutely understand that. I think sometimes 660 02:28:09,394 --> 02:28:12,573 our property development can get ahead of our infrastructure development, 661 02:28:12,749 --> 02:28:16,731 and I'm concerned about the way that that impacts the citizens who already 662 02:28:16,763 --> 02:28:21,002 live in that neighbourhood, but also the prospective new neighbours who would be purchasing or 663 02:28:21,502 --> 02:28:25,707 renting homes in that proposed development. Thank you for considering 664 02:28:25,755 --> 02:28:28,950 this point of view. I appreciate your time. Thank you, and don't go anywhere. 665 02:28:29,030 --> 02:28:33,189 We've got Councillor Rang up first. Yeah, thank you, thank you for that presentation. 666 02:28:33,430 --> 02:28:37,321 Presentation, and thanks for the information about the— specifically about the 667 02:28:37,337 --> 02:28:40,970 busing distances. That's really helpful to keep in mind, and I 668 02:28:41,132 --> 02:28:44,772 do appreciate that. And also, thanks for being a teacher 669 02:28:45,272 --> 02:28:47,179 at North Glen. My daughter will see you shortly. 670 02:28:49,415 --> 02:28:53,881 My question is— and this is not an endorsement of the density or 671 02:28:54,577 --> 02:28:58,412 the proposal per se, but the 672 02:28:58,912 --> 02:29:02,430 sidewalks on Concession 3 stop quite far up. 673 02:29:02,768 --> 02:29:06,191 Well before that. Well before that. And, and I have 674 02:29:06,207 --> 02:29:09,575 had conversations with residents about, 675 02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:14,047 and have been talking to Works about adding sidewalk 676 02:29:14,547 --> 02:29:17,521 capacity all the way to Liberty. Would that be helpful? 677 02:29:18,392 --> 02:29:22,472 It certainly would be helpful from a walking transportation 678 02:29:22,504 --> 02:29:23,827 standpoint, for sure. It would be helpful. 679 02:29:25,839 --> 02:29:29,007 Certainly on the north side of Concession, where that transportation 680 02:29:29,507 --> 02:29:32,449 is most likely to happen as those students get to North Glen, 681 02:29:33,532 --> 02:29:36,960 would be a priority for sure. Okay, I don't think it changes 682 02:29:37,233 --> 02:29:41,378 a lot about the increase in the car traffic, but it certainly would allow families 683 02:29:41,812 --> 02:29:44,806 to travel to school in a safer way. Yeah, okay, thank you. 684 02:29:47,090 --> 02:29:50,462 Thank you, Councillor. I've got Councillor Zwart and then Councillor 685 02:29:50,478 --> 02:29:54,393 Anderson, you after that. Thank you, and thanks 686 02:29:54,893 --> 02:29:58,089 for coming today. Um, the school board, the school issue, 687 02:29:58,410 --> 02:30:01,945 have you discussed that with your school board trustee? I have not, 688 02:30:02,009 --> 02:30:05,560 no. It was really— the sign just popped up in the field 689 02:30:06,060 --> 02:30:09,224 across from our home about 2 weeks ago, so that's not something that I have 690 02:30:09,240 --> 02:30:12,630 had an opportunity to discuss with our trustees yet, no. Okay, because that's 691 02:30:13,130 --> 02:30:16,727 where that type of complaint— yeah, I did go to the school board website just 692 02:30:17,227 --> 02:30:20,662 to verify my understanding of the school catchment area. Um, and the 693 02:30:20,678 --> 02:30:24,194 school catchment for North Glen does go a little bit— I would 694 02:30:24,694 --> 02:30:28,497 say, my guesstimation from the map, probably 100 meters to 695 02:30:28,513 --> 02:30:32,399 the east of Liberty. So just that property that's also on 696 02:30:32,899 --> 02:30:36,076 the east side of that intersection would also be part of the North Glen catchment. 697 02:30:36,462 --> 02:30:39,528 Um, when you go further east than that line, those students would go 698 02:30:40,028 --> 02:30:42,611 to Longworth. Okay, yeah, thank you. No problem. 699 02:30:43,928 --> 02:30:46,306 Thanks, Councillor George. I've got Councillor Anderson. 700 02:30:47,560 --> 02:30:51,400 Thank you. And I guess you're looking forward to the new school. It's like a 701 02:30:51,900 --> 02:30:55,900 year overdue. I am. Fingers crossed the doors are open this week. We're looking forward 702 02:30:56,400 --> 02:30:59,531 to it. Yeah, I haven't heard of any hitches, so I am sure it will 703 02:31:00,031 --> 02:31:04,207 be open. Thanks for bringing that safety concern. When it comes to safety 704 02:31:04,707 --> 02:31:08,594 of kids, that's paramount. And I know when I was on the school 705 02:31:08,610 --> 02:31:12,351 board if there was a safety concern, 706 02:31:12,544 --> 02:31:15,755 like lack of sidewalk, etc. I know 707 02:31:16,542 --> 02:31:20,380 the 1.6, it's kind of etched in stone, 708 02:31:20,412 --> 02:31:23,623 but sometimes they'll make allowances for that 709 02:31:24,123 --> 02:31:27,991 for safety. It depends. It doesn't always happen, but yes, 710 02:31:28,039 --> 02:31:31,748 so that's— those are the kind of things we want to 711 02:31:31,812 --> 02:31:35,347 hear and the kind of things that will make me 712 02:31:35,411 --> 02:31:38,535 take a pause when it comes to development, because safety is 713 02:31:38,712 --> 02:31:42,158 always going to be number one when it comes to children. 714 02:31:43,050 --> 02:31:46,271 So, Councillor Anderson, there's a question in there somewhere, 715 02:31:46,319 --> 02:31:50,366 right? So, to follow up on Councillor 716 02:31:50,866 --> 02:31:53,384 Rong's point, if there were sidewalks in, 717 02:31:54,830 --> 02:31:58,599 would you be— have less of a concern? I think the sidewalks 718 02:31:59,099 --> 02:32:02,321 would definitely help. I, I think to ask families to try to transport their children 719 02:32:02,821 --> 02:32:06,258 to school without a sidewalk would be a liability the city would not 720 02:32:06,758 --> 02:32:10,130 want. It would be, it would be very dangerous. The only 721 02:32:10,178 --> 02:32:13,488 way to access that area on the road is actually 722 02:32:13,988 --> 02:32:16,525 physically on the road. There is a shoulder, but on the other side of the 723 02:32:17,025 --> 02:32:20,076 shoulder there's a culvert, so you, you literally couldn't even walk on the side of 724 02:32:20,576 --> 02:32:23,996 the road without being on the gravel. So I think it would be 725 02:32:24,496 --> 02:32:27,688 impossible to consider families even trying to walk their 726 02:32:28,188 --> 02:32:31,918 young children to school without some modification to the 727 02:32:31,934 --> 02:32:35,300 side of that road. Okay, so you have answered my next 728 02:32:35,800 --> 02:32:39,290 question. I was going to ask if there was an alternate route other than walking 729 02:32:39,386 --> 02:32:42,511 on the shoulders to get to the school. Well, you have 730 02:32:43,011 --> 02:32:46,357 answered that. There isn't. Sorry, could you repeat that? If there was an alternate route 731 02:32:46,857 --> 02:32:49,947 other than walking on the main road to get to the school, 732 02:32:50,283 --> 02:32:53,267 there isn't, correct? Well, I think I think the alternative— excuse me for one moment, 733 02:32:53,331 --> 02:32:56,606 Councilor Anderson, if you speak more closely so we're actually 734 02:32:56,943 --> 02:33:00,074 all— it's not just you. I'm sorry, I'm already a little 735 02:33:00,574 --> 02:33:02,916 bit hard of hearing, so I'm having to— yeah, I was just wondering if there 736 02:33:03,416 --> 02:33:06,640 was an alternate route other than walking on the shoulders, 737 02:33:06,753 --> 02:33:10,189 whether it's Concession or Liberty or whatever the street might be. 738 02:33:10,285 --> 02:33:13,865 So there is not a currently developed alternate route because 739 02:33:14,283 --> 02:33:17,718 the space between the proposed property and where the school is 740 02:33:17,911 --> 02:33:21,614 is farmland, or it's a home to the immediate west, and then 741 02:33:22,114 --> 02:33:26,166 there's farmland, and then there's the Baptist Church. So there's no walk-through 742 02:33:26,666 --> 02:33:29,981 pathway across those properties to be able to get to the North Glen 743 02:33:30,173 --> 02:33:33,587 neighborhood. Um, certainly, you know, 744 02:33:33,636 --> 02:33:36,986 some families might choose to drive their children to school if they can't 745 02:33:37,486 --> 02:33:41,329 safely walk. Um, the challenge with that is that the area 746 02:33:41,829 --> 02:33:45,080 in front of North Glen Orchards Public School is going to be highly 747 02:33:45,144 --> 02:33:48,622 congested already with families driving their students to school. 748 02:33:48,766 --> 02:33:51,955 So there isn't a lot of other walkways and 749 02:33:52,455 --> 02:33:56,217 pathways to transport students, um, into that neighborhood. There's a— 750 02:33:56,842 --> 02:34:00,720 if you walk along Concession 3, you could turn right onto 751 02:34:01,220 --> 02:34:05,175 North Glen Avenue and follow the, the street itself where there are already sidewalks, 752 02:34:05,656 --> 02:34:09,502 um, over to the school. Um, but it's a 1.5 753 02:34:10,002 --> 02:34:13,316 km walk, which I've had little ones and 754 02:34:13,348 --> 02:34:16,760 it's not something I would enjoy doing with 3 and 4-year-olds for sure, 755 02:34:16,971 --> 02:34:20,645 even if it was safe. So it's a very long walk. Yes, and I know, 756 02:34:20,870 --> 02:34:24,172 I know it's congested because if there's a 757 02:34:24,672 --> 02:34:28,602 soccer game at the park, it's congested. I see that 758 02:34:29,102 --> 02:34:31,113 firsthand. So thank you. No problem. 759 02:34:32,474 --> 02:34:35,715 Thank you, Councillor. I've got Councillor Wu next. 760 02:34:36,790 --> 02:34:40,504 Yeah, through his worship, and thank you very much for coming 761 02:34:40,537 --> 02:34:43,765 forward. And again, it's been a long time for that new school 762 02:34:44,265 --> 02:34:46,431 to open, isn't it? It has been a long time, sir. Yes, you're right. 763 02:34:46,945 --> 02:34:50,399 We're ready. Now, getting back to— and 764 02:34:50,479 --> 02:34:53,932 especially, you know, when you're mentioning about even your kids, if you live 765 02:34:54,432 --> 02:34:58,205 on the south side of Concession, on the north side, I think 766 02:34:58,705 --> 02:35:02,349 the sidewalk ends at the Baptist Church, but on the south side, it comes 767 02:35:02,927 --> 02:35:06,123 closer to you but not to you. It does. You're right, it doesn't go as 768 02:35:06,236 --> 02:35:09,351 far as my home. If you look at the map 769 02:35:09,367 --> 02:35:12,498 that you originally had up, my home is literally 770 02:35:12,562 --> 02:35:16,560 directly across from the driveway of the proposed neighborhood. 771 02:35:17,138 --> 02:35:21,056 So there's no sidewalk there. So you're basically having to 772 02:35:21,473 --> 02:35:24,669 walk on your shoulder till you get this side. But the other part is, 773 02:35:24,861 --> 02:35:27,767 where do you cross? Right. Where do you cross? 774 02:35:28,008 --> 02:35:31,541 So there is an entrance just at the end 775 02:35:32,041 --> 02:35:35,043 of our street on McCorkle Drive. I think you can't really see it on the 776 02:35:35,543 --> 02:35:38,544 map, but just if you look at the home with the pool on the far 777 02:35:38,577 --> 02:35:42,367 left there, that home faces onto McCorkle Drive. So there's 778 02:35:42,867 --> 02:35:46,560 a road right there that meets up with Concession, but there's certainly no crosswalk there 779 02:35:46,801 --> 02:35:50,704 to be able to cross over to the other side of Concession. And I'd have 780 02:35:51,204 --> 02:35:54,302 to look at a wider map, but I'm pretty sure that the sidewalk only goes 781 02:35:54,334 --> 02:35:57,642 as far as Gimblett Street, which is the next major street to 782 02:35:58,142 --> 02:36:01,480 the west. So I don't even think the sidewalk 783 02:36:01,980 --> 02:36:05,735 comes as far as McCorkle. So you've still got probably at least 784 02:36:07,020 --> 02:36:11,114 maybe 3/4 of a kilometre, maybe half a kilometre before you get 785 02:36:11,614 --> 02:36:15,048 to the sidewalk on the opposite side of the road. And there's no 786 02:36:15,548 --> 02:36:18,934 crosswalk there. Now, you are about 787 02:36:19,142 --> 02:36:22,467 how— what's the distance? You said 1.6 kilometres. Correct. 788 02:36:22,772 --> 02:36:26,114 So be able to bus, and you're probably 1.5. 789 02:36:26,227 --> 02:36:29,938 It is exactly 1.5. I checked on the map this afternoon. So the school 790 02:36:29,987 --> 02:36:33,586 board modified their busing distances this year. Um, so in previous 791 02:36:34,086 --> 02:36:38,310 years, junior kindergarten to grade 4 students were at 1.2 792 02:36:38,342 --> 02:36:41,813 kilometers. So in that case, these students would have qualified for a bus up to 793 02:36:42,313 --> 02:36:46,296 grade 4. But recently, just as of last September, they've modified 794 02:36:46,796 --> 02:36:49,525 that distance to be 1.6 6 kilometers. So in this case, 795 02:36:49,975 --> 02:36:53,894 um, based on my calculations this afternoon, the entrance to that community 796 02:36:54,007 --> 02:36:57,332 to the front door of North Glen is 1.5, so they'd be just under that 797 02:36:57,380 --> 02:37:01,476 cutoff. Um, and my experience with navigating this pathway for students 798 02:37:01,976 --> 02:37:05,507 this year is that the board is very strictly enforcing that boundary this year. 799 02:37:05,572 --> 02:37:09,009 There's very little exceptions made. In some cases, they might make an 800 02:37:09,509 --> 02:37:13,807 exception for a student who had significant special needs who needed special transportation requests But 801 02:37:14,258 --> 02:37:18,578 generally speaking, for the regular student population, that would not be an available accommodation. 802 02:37:21,330 --> 02:37:24,694 So in order to qualify— and you did mention about 803 02:37:24,905 --> 02:37:28,286 the Ketchum area, maybe just a little bit east of Liberty. 804 02:37:31,539 --> 02:37:34,397 So I don't know if they pick you right up at the door or you 805 02:37:34,897 --> 02:37:38,144 would have to go to a bus pickup if you qualify. Yeah, so if 806 02:37:38,192 --> 02:37:41,438 there was a development on the opposite side outside of Liberty. I'd have to do 807 02:37:41,938 --> 02:37:45,051 the math, sir, but I would think that would be just barely on the outside 808 02:37:45,551 --> 02:37:49,932 of that 1.6-kilometer catchment. And so theoretically, 809 02:37:49,948 --> 02:37:53,239 if there was a proposed property development on that other corner, 810 02:37:53,320 --> 02:37:56,611 on the northeast corner, those students would qualify for a bus 811 02:37:57,111 --> 02:38:00,353 to North Glenorchards. Yeah. Okay, thank you. And, 812 02:38:00,449 --> 02:38:03,757 and maybe it wouldn't hurt to reach out to the school board trustees. 813 02:38:03,821 --> 02:38:06,660 I will do that. Thank you for the suggestion. I will for sure. Thank you. 814 02:38:06,948 --> 02:38:10,971 Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Wu. I've got Councillor Elhaj next. 815 02:38:11,772 --> 02:38:15,313 Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and thank you, Melanie, for coming in and speaking. My wife's 816 02:38:15,813 --> 02:38:18,102 a teacher as well, so I know the hard work that, that you guys put 817 02:38:18,602 --> 02:38:21,675 in, and so a big thank you, I guess, on behalf of council as 818 02:38:21,771 --> 02:38:25,601 well. Thank you for being a teacher. I had a specific question on 819 02:38:25,634 --> 02:38:28,983 the catchment area, and, and I know you mentioned 820 02:38:29,483 --> 02:38:32,831 safety, and I just want to— it was kind of— it's kind of a rhetorical 821 02:38:33,331 --> 02:38:36,843 question, but are you aware that this council changed, uh, school zone speed 822 02:38:37,343 --> 02:38:40,934 limits to 30 km/h, improving safety? I am very aware, yes. 823 02:38:41,175 --> 02:38:44,865 I, uh, I had my oldest child went to the Pines Senior 824 02:38:45,365 --> 02:38:48,508 Public School, and so I was party to some of the conversations and the, 825 02:38:48,957 --> 02:38:52,391 um, parent advocacy to manage the school 826 02:38:52,487 --> 02:38:55,953 issues with the transportation speed limit in front of the Pines, uh, 827 02:38:56,113 --> 02:38:59,339 in the last few years. So yes, I'm very familiar with that piece. For sure. 828 02:38:59,708 --> 02:39:02,983 Great, thank you. And thank you for, for talking about your, your safety concerns, 829 02:39:03,096 --> 02:39:06,307 you know, on Concession 3 as well. I think we all— I think you've heard 830 02:39:06,807 --> 02:39:10,385 all of council, you know, share those concerns as well. Um, so back to the 831 02:39:10,885 --> 02:39:14,351 catchment area, I know you mentioned that the busing areas are 1.6 and you're 832 02:39:14,576 --> 02:39:18,157 roughly around 1.5 kilometers. I'm just wondering if you— like, I, 833 02:39:18,350 --> 02:39:21,914 I haven't— in, in you being up here, I haven't been able to find why 834 02:39:22,043 --> 02:39:25,478 they chose 1.6 kilometers. I'm just wondering if you are are aware why 835 02:39:25,978 --> 02:39:30,034 they chose 1.6 kilometers. I unfortunately can't speak to the school board's decision-making 836 02:39:30,066 --> 02:39:33,483 process there. In my experience, I was a special 837 02:39:33,515 --> 02:39:37,252 education teacher in my last job, and so a lot of my responsibility was 838 02:39:37,365 --> 02:39:40,701 supporting students who needed special transportation requests to get to school, 839 02:39:40,814 --> 02:39:44,551 who had special unique needs. And I know that in my navigating 840 02:39:44,647 --> 02:39:48,449 that part of my job with the board, they were very strictly enforcing that 841 02:39:48,949 --> 02:39:52,508 distance. But I don't know much about— I imagine As most things do, 842 02:39:52,524 --> 02:39:55,895 it came down to a budgetary concern, but I don't 843 02:39:56,395 --> 02:40:00,164 know the specific background of the conversation that went on to create that 844 02:40:00,405 --> 02:40:04,562 specific number of distance. No. Yeah, that's my assumption as well, is budget 845 02:40:05,062 --> 02:40:09,425 related, which obviously comes down from province, right? And I know that the trustees 846 02:40:09,457 --> 02:40:12,812 and the school boards are very tight with their budgets as a result. 847 02:40:12,908 --> 02:40:15,203 So, so yeah, thank you. That was my only question. 848 02:40:16,038 --> 02:40:19,959 Thank you for coming up again and And God bless you for 849 02:40:19,991 --> 02:40:23,598 working with special needs as well. I know the hard work there as 850 02:40:23,695 --> 02:40:26,922 well. So thank you. Thank you, 851 02:40:26,971 --> 02:40:30,535 Councillor. I'll look around. I don't see 852 02:40:31,035 --> 02:40:33,921 anything further. Thank you for coming. No problem. I will reiterate, 853 02:40:34,950 --> 02:40:37,570 please reach out to the trustee. 854 02:40:39,235 --> 02:40:42,455 I know that they will be delighted to hear from you. 855 02:40:43,321 --> 02:40:47,136 And I know that if you help to advocate for budgets that 856 02:40:47,636 --> 02:40:50,692 allow for better busing and a 857 02:40:51,192 --> 02:40:54,727 whole range of things that you know way better than we do that the 858 02:40:54,969 --> 02:40:58,386 school boards need, again, they will be 859 02:40:58,435 --> 02:41:01,820 just more delighted than you can imagine. Yes, sir, I will do my 860 02:41:02,320 --> 02:41:03,677 best. Thank you very much. Oh, thank you. 861 02:41:06,171 --> 02:41:09,380 All righty. So again, we will look To members of the public, 862 02:41:09,526 --> 02:41:13,305 anyone speaking in support of or opposition 863 02:41:13,483 --> 02:41:15,089 to this application? 864 02:41:18,216 --> 02:41:20,600 I don't see any further takers. 865 02:41:22,540 --> 02:41:25,831 So that's who's going to speak for— oh yeah, okay. Uh, 866 02:41:26,864 --> 02:41:30,478 oh, there you are, Mr. Jitan. You're the agent for the applicant. 867 02:41:45,310 --> 02:41:48,647 Good afternoon, Mayor and members of council. My name is 868 02:41:48,743 --> 02:41:52,560 Christian Détan. I'm a registered professional planner with GHD, and I'm here 869 02:41:52,673 --> 02:41:56,057 on behalf of LAK Realty Appraisals and Consultants, 870 02:41:56,683 --> 02:42:00,420 the owner of the subject property. The owner, Phil, is in 871 02:42:00,693 --> 02:42:04,158 attendance today. Regarding the app— and I'm here 872 02:42:04,658 --> 02:42:08,554 regarding the applications for the zoning bylaw amendment and draft plan of subdivision at 873 02:42:09,054 --> 02:42:11,747 2658 Concession Road 3 in Bowmanville. 874 02:42:12,581 --> 02:42:15,148 Here's just an overview of the subject site, 875 02:42:16,496 --> 02:42:20,121 and here is an overview of the proposed concept. 876 02:42:20,699 --> 02:42:24,453 So the proposed concept consists of a small-scale 877 02:42:24,533 --> 02:42:28,672 residential infill development on approximately 0 0.45 878 02:42:28,689 --> 02:42:32,314 hectares located at the northwest corner of Concession Road 879 02:42:32,814 --> 02:42:36,453 3 and Liberty Street North. Um, the application proposes 880 02:42:36,565 --> 02:42:41,105 11 front-loaded townhouse dwelling units, um, 12 dual-frontage, 881 02:42:41,442 --> 02:42:45,324 uh, townhouse dwelling units, uh, for a total of 23 residential 882 02:42:45,453 --> 02:42:48,822 units. Um, the Concession Road, 883 02:42:49,078 --> 02:42:52,848 um, is a Type B arterial road, and the proposed 884 02:42:53,348 --> 02:42:56,624 concept plan is illustrated in the staff report. 885 02:42:57,331 --> 02:43:00,692 Um, and here's just an illustration of the draft plan of subdivision, 886 02:43:01,045 --> 02:43:02,219 which is pretty straightforward. 887 02:43:04,032 --> 02:43:07,473 Um, the pre-consultation meeting was held, um, 888 02:43:07,684 --> 02:43:11,775 with municipal departments and external, uh, commenting agencies in 889 02:43:12,051 --> 02:43:15,071 October 2023. And through that process, 890 02:43:15,087 --> 02:43:18,605 staff advised that a zoning bylaw amendment would be required to facilitate 891 02:43:19,105 --> 02:43:22,999 the proposed development. Applications were submitted in March 2026 and 892 02:43:23,047 --> 02:43:28,454 subsequently deemed complete, with the municipality 893 02:43:29,754 --> 02:43:33,204 deeming it complete in April 2026. At that time, supporting plans and 894 02:43:33,704 --> 02:43:37,231 studies have been circulated to departments and agencies for review. We've not received 895 02:43:37,857 --> 02:43:41,435 all comments yet, and we did not receive the 896 02:43:42,028 --> 02:43:46,056 emailed correspondence from residents today, so we're happy to hear about 897 02:43:46,556 --> 02:43:49,683 it today. We're hoping to get a copy of that and, you know, respond to 898 02:43:50,183 --> 02:43:53,569 some of those comments. Um, just to review on the zoning 899 02:43:53,762 --> 02:43:57,343 bylaw, so the property is currently proposing 900 02:43:57,375 --> 02:44:01,149 the townhouses, which requires site-specific zoning permissions to implement the 901 02:44:01,649 --> 02:44:05,516 development concept, and the draft zoning provisions establish the appropriate 902 02:44:06,016 --> 02:44:09,226 development standards related to lot frontage, setback, landscaping, 903 02:44:09,419 --> 02:44:12,518 building height, driveway widths, and other site-specific zoning matters. 904 02:44:13,899 --> 02:44:18,059 The owner of the property is in contact with the resident immediately 905 02:44:18,252 --> 02:44:21,947 to the west. They have a good working relationship, 906 02:44:22,413 --> 02:44:26,012 um, and I can review quite briefly— 907 02:44:26,028 --> 02:44:30,221 I don't have the schematics for it, but the— our 908 02:44:30,721 --> 02:44:34,896 traffic, um, transportation report includes a ghosted-in image 909 02:44:35,105 --> 02:44:38,366 of the, um, the roundabout that's proposed there. 910 02:44:38,880 --> 02:44:42,607 I do see sidewalk crossings in all directions, so that's 911 02:44:43,107 --> 02:44:46,334 a plus for the area. And also the region 912 02:44:46,350 --> 02:44:50,623 has been in contact with us regarding the driveway. And because 913 02:44:51,123 --> 02:44:54,703 of the proximity to the roundabout, our site 914 02:44:55,203 --> 02:44:58,092 has to develop our proposed driveway as far west as possible. 915 02:44:58,558 --> 02:45:02,397 And we have to accommodate the appropriate spacing and 916 02:45:02,509 --> 02:45:05,802 sweep paths for vehicles. And we've been in close contact with 917 02:45:06,302 --> 02:45:10,235 the resident to the west and no major concerns regarding the proximity 918 02:45:10,735 --> 02:45:14,452 of the driveways. Has been identified. With respect to the natural features of the 919 02:45:14,952 --> 02:45:18,364 property, I'm a planner, I'm not an environmental person, but we have been in touch 920 02:45:18,540 --> 02:45:21,634 with, uh, Kloca as of today, 921 02:45:22,307 --> 02:45:25,946 and we are scheduling a site visit to walk the site and see, 922 02:45:26,475 --> 02:45:29,633 um, any, um, wetland features that they want to, 923 02:45:30,082 --> 02:45:33,544 um, identify. Um, our, our EIS report, 924 02:45:33,768 --> 02:45:37,519 uh, didn't identify anything on our subject property, but we are adjacent to a property 925 02:45:37,808 --> 02:45:41,543 So we understand that, you know, stormwater management is not managed 926 02:45:42,043 --> 02:45:45,887 on one site. It's a holistic view that we have to take. And with respect 927 02:45:46,387 --> 02:45:49,573 to the property, it is occupied with a dwelling right 928 02:45:50,073 --> 02:45:53,564 now. And the current owner-developer, when they took over the 929 02:45:54,064 --> 02:45:57,652 property, the previous owner was a landscape company and there was a lot of like 930 02:45:58,152 --> 02:46:01,579 refuge and stone and other materials that was all cleaned up 931 02:46:01,675 --> 02:46:04,592 without Cloca prompting them to do that. They just did that to be a good 932 02:46:04,641 --> 02:46:08,380 neighbor. And they continue to do so, and they're hoping to bring forward 933 02:46:08,492 --> 02:46:12,200 this residential development. Um, I can't speak too 934 02:46:12,281 --> 02:46:15,796 much into detail about the school boards. Um, I do 935 02:46:16,296 --> 02:46:19,552 have their comments. They did talk about how the 936 02:46:20,052 --> 02:46:23,662 Kwatha Pine Ridge District School Board, uh, notes that dedicated pedestrian 937 02:46:24,162 --> 02:46:27,867 pathways are being proposed and would like the sidewalks to remain part of our plan, 938 02:46:27,915 --> 02:46:31,816 which they are, to ensure the safe movement of pedestrians throughout the proposed development, 939 02:46:31,832 --> 02:46:35,216 school bus pickup points will generally be located on a 940 02:46:35,716 --> 02:46:39,673 through street at a location selected by the Student Transportation Services 941 02:46:39,849 --> 02:46:42,991 of Central Ontario. Please be aware school buses will not 942 02:46:43,491 --> 02:46:46,919 travel on private roads. That's, that's pretty standard. So we 943 02:46:46,983 --> 02:46:50,189 do have some of the comments from the school boards. So we 944 02:46:50,269 --> 02:46:54,101 weren't really looking at that area because we didn't have any concerns, 945 02:46:54,293 --> 02:46:57,499 but we do have the matters about 946 02:46:57,999 --> 02:47:01,816 the, the the potential wetland and, and cloaca comments to be addressed, and that's 947 02:47:02,316 --> 02:47:04,690 being taken care of next week. Um, so, 948 02:47:05,108 --> 02:47:07,966 and, um, just to close, um, 949 02:47:08,175 --> 02:47:11,868 we're interested in getting this feedback today. Uh, we will like electric 950 02:47:12,368 --> 02:47:14,999 copies of the one that was sent because we were not provided it just yet, 951 02:47:15,464 --> 02:47:18,884 and we appreciate the opportunity to present the application and welcome 952 02:47:19,398 --> 02:47:22,224 further comments and dialogue from residents and staff. 953 02:47:22,465 --> 02:47:22,786 Thank you. 954 02:47:26,153 --> 02:47:29,483 Sir, thank you again. Members of Council, do we 955 02:47:29,709 --> 02:47:30,485 have any questions? 956 02:47:35,099 --> 02:47:37,126 I don't know if you did a great job or if you wore out your 957 02:47:37,158 --> 02:47:40,358 welcome. I don't see any questions. Thank you ever so 958 02:47:40,374 --> 02:47:44,283 much, and we will, we will get a copy of the correspondence 959 02:47:44,331 --> 02:47:45,609 to you. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. 960 02:47:50,317 --> 02:47:52,200 Start talking. Oh, you want me to call you out? 961 02:47:59,441 --> 02:48:03,274 The clerk has helped me out here. So that is the 962 02:48:03,307 --> 02:48:06,982 statutory public meeting for this particular file. 963 02:48:08,242 --> 02:48:14,285 We are on PSD-073-26— 072-26. 964 02:48:16,070 --> 02:48:18,515 6. And again, to members of the public, um, 965 02:48:19,481 --> 02:48:22,876 while we are voting on this, no decision is being made. 966 02:48:23,407 --> 02:48:26,807 Uh, this is going back to staff for further processing. Uh, so I'll need a 967 02:48:26,823 --> 02:48:29,858 mover and a seconder. Councillor Jort, you made eye contact. Thank you. 968 02:48:29,906 --> 02:48:33,828 Seconded by Councillor Alhajay. Thank you. Uh, 969 02:48:33,909 --> 02:48:34,888 questions or comments? 970 02:48:37,742 --> 02:48:38,545 Councillor Anderson. 971 02:48:41,606 --> 02:48:45,216 Your mic's on. So I'm just asking for a recorded vote when the 972 02:48:45,716 --> 02:48:49,210 time comes. Uh, and just a quick correction, 973 02:48:50,349 --> 02:48:54,295 I know you— the 1.6 was done for financial 974 02:48:54,795 --> 02:48:57,744 reasons, but trustees have no say. 975 02:48:58,370 --> 02:49:02,348 The province has taken away that authority when it comes to finance 976 02:49:02,476 --> 02:49:05,604 budget, so I don't know where you go 977 02:49:06,791 --> 02:49:10,307 if you need that change, but Trustees have no authority 978 02:49:10,403 --> 02:49:13,712 over that anymore. Just, just wanted to put that out there. 979 02:49:14,355 --> 02:49:17,294 I can guarantee that if you go to the trustees, 980 02:49:17,407 --> 02:49:20,796 they, they have addresses and emails of 981 02:49:21,296 --> 02:49:25,261 the people that have the purse strings, which might be elected 982 02:49:25,761 --> 02:49:29,181 members of the provincial parliament. That's right. So I just 983 02:49:29,213 --> 02:49:31,927 wanted to put that out there. Yeah, no, it's a, it's a good point with 984 02:49:32,427 --> 02:49:35,823 the changes. Yeah, you're right. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Woo. 985 02:49:39,437 --> 02:49:41,873 Yeah, Your Worship, and to the Deputy CAO, 986 02:49:43,958 --> 02:49:47,417 just looking in fact at the map that was supplied by one 987 02:49:47,563 --> 02:49:50,941 of the first delegates, but if you look here, 988 02:49:52,292 --> 02:49:56,849 and I'm surprised that that tributary 989 02:49:56,962 --> 02:50:01,583 to, I guess, the Soper Creek wouldn't be— that 990 02:50:02,083 --> 02:50:03,670 area wouldn't be environmentally protected. 991 02:50:06,370 --> 02:50:08,707 Can you give me an idea why it may not? 992 02:50:11,083 --> 02:50:14,233 So through the mayor, I'm going to ask Sreeja Phora, the planner 993 02:50:14,733 --> 02:50:17,253 on the file, that can respond to that about how we are, where we are 994 02:50:17,543 --> 02:50:20,543 on that. Sreeja. Thank you. 995 02:50:21,097 --> 02:50:24,325 Through you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you for that. 996 02:50:25,349 --> 02:50:28,849 So, uh, to answer your question on that, the adjacent 997 02:50:29,349 --> 02:50:32,462 property does have some wetland, uh, 998 02:50:32,542 --> 02:50:36,058 you know, designated on the property. However, this property parcel does not 999 02:50:36,074 --> 02:50:39,125 have any wetland feature. So to, you know, 1000 02:50:39,141 --> 02:50:43,027 to work around, uh, the EIS that is supplied by the applicant and 1001 02:50:43,139 --> 02:50:46,351 with CLOCA, uh, myself, our ecologist, 1002 02:50:46,367 --> 02:50:49,594 that is Paul Finnegan, and the CLOCA team is going to have a 1003 02:50:49,658 --> 02:50:52,712 site visit next week. We have a scheduled site visit next week, and we just 1004 02:50:53,212 --> 02:50:56,653 want to understand what are the features existing on the property, and, you know, 1005 02:50:57,055 --> 02:50:59,837 just to get a better understanding of wetland extension and everything. 1006 02:51:01,819 --> 02:51:05,282 Okay, uh, just so I heard, next week you plan on going out— 1007 02:51:05,782 --> 02:51:08,681 let's say groundproofing, I guess I'll call it groundproofing, 1008 02:51:09,508 --> 02:51:12,283 uh, yourself, Cloca, 1009 02:51:13,565 --> 02:51:17,172 through this— yes, that's correct. So it's going me, myself, 1010 02:51:17,846 --> 02:51:21,058 Paul Finnegan, that is our ecologist, and Cloca. 1011 02:51:21,604 --> 02:51:25,216 And the site visit is scheduled for 27th of 1012 02:51:25,716 --> 02:51:28,974 August, that is next Thursday. Okay, perfect. Thank you very much. 1013 02:51:29,728 --> 02:51:33,213 Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Any further questions? Uh, 1014 02:51:34,208 --> 02:51:37,612 Sreeja, you know, and Mr. James, uh, one of 1015 02:51:38,112 --> 02:51:41,755 the delegates, I, I suspect has intimate knowledge 1016 02:51:42,255 --> 02:51:45,844 of of that area. So I would take a close look at 1017 02:51:45,957 --> 02:51:48,997 what he has submitted as you're 1018 02:51:49,918 --> 02:51:53,872 wandering through the meadow, which makes your job sound 1019 02:51:54,372 --> 02:51:55,841 way nicer than what it actually is. Thank you. 1020 02:51:57,681 --> 02:52:01,532 Councillor Anderson, you wanted a recorded vote? Oh, 1021 02:52:02,752 --> 02:52:04,911 all right, Madam Clerk. 1022 02:52:24,240 --> 02:52:27,628 They're working on it. I briefly disappeared from the 1023 02:52:28,128 --> 02:52:32,862 microphones. On the matter before you, report PDS 07226. 1024 02:52:33,717 --> 02:52:37,538 The motion is showing there to continue processing, beginning with 1025 02:52:37,700 --> 02:52:39,610 Councillor Anderson. No. 1026 02:52:41,472 --> 02:52:45,075 Councillor Allagé. No. Councillor Rang. Yes. 1027 02:52:46,378 --> 02:52:48,709 Councillor Traill. No. 1028 02:52:50,317 --> 02:52:52,431 Councillor Woo. No. 1029 02:52:53,625 --> 02:52:56,692 Councillor Zwart. Yes. Mayor Foster. 1030 02:52:57,337 --> 02:53:00,749 Yes. And that That is lost 1031 02:53:02,148 --> 02:53:04,831 4 to 3. So we'll need a different motion. 1032 02:53:13,269 --> 02:53:16,823 Councillor Zwart, it's unusual, but— You're 1033 02:53:17,323 --> 02:53:20,837 looking for a motion, correct? That was a 1034 02:53:20,853 --> 02:53:24,067 motion. You're looking for a new motion, aren't you? 1035 02:53:28,438 --> 02:53:32,414 Yes, yes, you're correct. So that the report be 1036 02:53:32,914 --> 02:53:34,628 referred back to staff to continue to work on it. 1037 02:53:38,937 --> 02:53:42,151 Thank you. I know what you're hoping for. That, that in fact 1038 02:53:42,651 --> 02:53:46,473 is— it was the motion. This, this is a public meeting, 1039 02:53:47,550 --> 02:53:51,219 slightly different words, but sure, we'll give it a try. Do we have 1040 02:53:51,719 --> 02:53:54,956 a seconder for that? Councillor Rang, 1041 02:53:54,989 --> 02:53:57,833 thank you. Can we assume that this and this is in place? 1042 02:54:00,043 --> 02:54:03,938 Okay, so that's on the floor. I would encourage 1043 02:54:04,326 --> 02:54:08,206 councillors to look at the difference 1044 02:54:08,706 --> 02:54:13,265 between the recommendation and what we are doing and suggest possible 1045 02:54:13,765 --> 02:54:16,869 changes to the recommendations. 1046 02:54:17,110 --> 02:54:20,754 Because this, this is going to be very confusing to staff. Uh, 1047 02:54:21,397 --> 02:54:24,929 Councillor Elhajji, um, if I could make a suggestion to 1048 02:54:25,429 --> 02:54:29,184 the, uh, the motioner, uh, to add a piece in there about, 1049 02:54:29,329 --> 02:54:33,150 uh, Cloca, since the concern is, is, uh, waiting for 1050 02:54:33,744 --> 02:54:37,116 Cloca's response. So maybe refer to staff until, 1051 02:54:37,277 --> 02:54:39,942 um, uh, refer to staff, uh, 1052 02:54:40,408 --> 02:54:45,256 waiting for Cloca's response kind of thing. So that, 1053 02:54:45,321 --> 02:54:49,135 that's, that's part of what we're doing. So I understand, 1054 02:54:49,199 --> 02:54:52,887 for us as an initial public meeting, we're simply gathering 1055 02:54:52,919 --> 02:54:56,178 information. Staff will get all of the information 1056 02:54:57,033 --> 02:55:00,873 from all of the agencies before they bring something forward. So we can, 1057 02:55:01,631 --> 02:55:03,379 we can highlight cloaca, um, 1058 02:55:05,389 --> 02:55:09,541 if that's friendly, Councillor, but it's it's 1059 02:55:10,041 --> 02:55:13,023 already realistically part of what they're going to do. 1060 02:55:13,508 --> 02:55:16,326 So you just want to double make sure that they're talking to Cloca. 1061 02:55:17,510 --> 02:55:20,297 Yes? Okay, is that friendly? 1062 02:55:20,378 --> 02:55:23,182 It's already intrinsic to what we do. 1063 02:55:25,321 --> 02:55:29,488 Oh, I'm sorry. That is friendly, 1064 02:55:29,520 --> 02:55:34,058 but maybe with significant attention paid to the wetland 1065 02:55:34,558 --> 02:55:35,412 teacher. Would— is that sure? 1066 02:55:39,559 --> 02:55:40,998 Okay. Councilor Anderson. 1067 02:55:42,695 --> 02:55:46,300 And I would add to that, look at reducing the number of units as 1068 02:55:46,414 --> 02:55:46,672 well. 1069 02:55:51,685 --> 02:55:54,867 So, Councilor Anderson, 1070 02:55:54,947 --> 02:55:57,936 why don't you give me a, a mo— you know, but I— so, so folks, 1071 02:55:59,125 --> 02:56:02,964 um, You know, this, this is an initial public meeting where 1072 02:56:03,464 --> 02:56:07,459 no decision is being made. Everyone is being circulated 1073 02:56:08,166 --> 02:56:12,035 on this. We are simply gathering information at 1074 02:56:12,535 --> 02:56:16,242 this point in time. I, you know, so it's— we can certainly 1075 02:56:16,290 --> 02:56:19,678 take the request to reduce the numbers, 1076 02:56:20,545 --> 02:56:23,725 but there, um, we, we have 1077 02:56:23,998 --> 02:56:27,464 no facts to, to support that. 1078 02:56:27,529 --> 02:56:31,139 So, so I will ask staff to pay particular attention to that. 1079 02:56:31,941 --> 02:56:35,054 Give me that. Give me the most— want to make sure that that's looked 1080 02:56:35,554 --> 02:56:38,665 at. So, Councillor, I can— as, as you know, and you've been here for a 1081 02:56:39,165 --> 02:56:42,099 very long time, um, that, that is part of this process. 1082 02:56:42,388 --> 02:56:46,447 But Councillor Anderson, you're moving that staff pay particular attention 1083 02:56:46,947 --> 02:56:50,411 to the number of units? Yes, and safety— and the 1084 02:56:50,911 --> 02:56:53,796 safety concerns raised by the events. All righty, 1085 02:56:53,877 --> 02:56:59,386 and seconded by Councillor 1086 02:56:59,886 --> 02:57:01,589 Alhajji. So on the amendment, 1087 02:57:02,541 --> 02:57:05,187 um, questions and comments? 1088 02:57:07,450 --> 02:57:10,914 Okay. And Mr. Lyons, I, I know I'm repeating 1089 02:57:10,963 --> 02:57:13,326 myself, but you would be doing all of this anyway. 1090 02:57:15,065 --> 02:57:18,721 So to the mayor, absolutely. As part of the process, we work closely with 1091 02:57:18,737 --> 02:57:22,205 CLOCA. You've heard we have an upcoming meeting to try and figure this matter out. 1092 02:57:22,606 --> 02:57:26,380 We work with the school boards. They're all circulated on every planning application 1093 02:57:26,880 --> 02:57:30,201 that comes forward to provide advice to us from their professional expertise. 1094 02:57:30,651 --> 02:57:33,974 So I would suggest that we are going to do all of those matters. 1095 02:57:34,713 --> 02:57:37,989 I just would also just flag that in this situation, 1096 02:57:38,502 --> 02:57:42,356 we have an official plan that already enables development on this site. 1097 02:57:42,581 --> 02:57:46,132 So we just— it It's fine for staff to get direction about whether 1098 02:57:46,632 --> 02:57:50,311 it's reduction or not of units, but we also have to abide by what council 1099 02:57:50,811 --> 02:57:54,429 approved as the official plan guiding development on the site. So we're going to call 1100 02:57:54,929 --> 02:57:58,694 this the belts and suspenders amendment. How's that, Councillor Anderson? 1101 02:58:00,920 --> 02:58:04,474 Uh, all right. Anything further on, uh, on the amendment? 1102 02:58:05,184 --> 02:58:08,923 Can I just say the amendment? Uh, so the clerk 1103 02:58:09,423 --> 02:58:12,258 is going to repeat it back. Councillor Ward, I, I've We've got you next, 1104 02:58:12,306 --> 02:58:15,563 but we're going to get the clerk to repeat that back to make sure that 1105 02:58:16,015 --> 02:58:18,739 she has that correctly noted. 1106 02:58:22,910 --> 02:58:26,816 No, on the second one, it was moved by Councillor Anderson and 1107 02:58:27,316 --> 02:58:31,046 seconded by Councillor Rahelajay. So we had a friendly and now 1108 02:58:31,095 --> 02:58:31,676 we have this one. 1109 02:58:34,090 --> 02:58:37,972 So the amendment as I have it, that staff pay particular attention 1110 02:58:38,472 --> 02:58:40,512 to the number of units and the concerns of residents. 1111 02:58:44,000 --> 02:58:44,243 All righty. 1112 02:58:47,992 --> 02:58:51,497 Safety concerns. And you don't want to call out the 1113 02:58:51,997 --> 02:58:52,406 belts and suspenders. 1114 02:58:55,783 --> 02:58:59,310 All righty. On the amendment, any further questions 1115 02:58:59,342 --> 02:59:02,225 or comments? Call the question. All in support? 1116 02:59:05,081 --> 02:59:08,306 Opposed? That is carried. We're back to the main motion. 1117 02:59:12,104 --> 02:59:14,109 All right, Madam Clerk, you're going to read the main motion. 1118 02:59:16,330 --> 02:59:19,879 So I am assuming that this first one is in 1119 02:59:19,895 --> 02:59:23,219 here, that report PSD 72 and any related communication 1120 02:59:23,284 --> 02:59:26,675 items be received for information only, and then it goes, 1121 02:59:27,270 --> 02:59:30,860 uh, that the matter be referred to to staff to obtain Kloca's response 1122 02:59:30,940 --> 02:59:33,156 and to continue processing the applications, 1123 02:59:33,991 --> 02:59:37,010 including the preparation of a subsequent recommendations report. 1124 02:59:37,459 --> 02:59:40,831 I'm also assuming that all interested parties listed 1125 02:59:41,056 --> 02:59:44,155 in the report and any other delegations be advised of council's decision. 1126 02:59:44,765 --> 02:59:47,880 Is that a fair assumption? Plus the 1127 02:59:48,380 --> 02:59:51,445 amendment. That's the amendment. Alrighty, so again, we're back, 1128 02:59:51,975 --> 02:59:55,726 back to the main report. Further questions, 1129 02:59:55,791 --> 02:59:58,389 comments? Don't see any. 1130 03:00:00,090 --> 03:00:02,882 Do you need a recorded vote on this, Councillor Anderson? No. All right. 1131 03:00:03,737 --> 03:00:07,804 With that, I'll call the question. All in support? Opposed? That is carried. 1132 03:00:08,990 --> 03:00:12,349 Councillor Traill, thank you. We saw your, your note there, 1133 03:00:12,477 --> 03:00:15,579 or notice. Okay, we will move 1134 03:00:15,675 --> 03:00:17,636 further to item 6.2. 1135 03:00:19,542 --> 03:00:22,940 This is a public meeting for a zoning bylaw amendment and 1136 03:00:23,440 --> 03:00:27,648 draft plan of subdivision. The applicant is Boycefields— 1137 03:00:28,148 --> 03:00:31,311 I never get that pronounced correctly— on behalf of Lambs Road Development, 1138 03:00:31,926 --> 03:00:35,430 Kaitlin Corporation, 2273 Lambs Road 1139 03:00:35,930 --> 03:00:39,796 in Bowmanville. And we've got— where'd 1140 03:00:40,296 --> 03:00:42,856 Sarah go? And I lost a councillor. 1141 03:00:46,204 --> 03:00:49,357 What did you say? So we're looking for Sarah to do 1142 03:00:49,857 --> 03:00:53,766 the presentation. No, staff doesn't do presentation. Oh, never mind. 1143 03:00:53,895 --> 03:00:56,903 Yes, you're right. Uh, so with, uh, that, 1144 03:00:57,210 --> 03:01:00,736 uh, we will look to, uh, folks in the gallery here, 1145 03:01:01,027 --> 03:01:03,832 uh, anyone wishing to speak in support of, 1146 03:01:04,417 --> 03:01:07,500 uh, or in opposition to this 1147 03:01:08,000 --> 03:01:11,186 application. Councillor Trill, 1148 03:01:11,203 --> 03:01:15,426 I'm I'm going to the public first. I will come to you. We have Emma, 1149 03:01:15,588 --> 03:01:17,668 who's the applicant, who's going to speak electronically. 1150 03:01:20,740 --> 03:01:24,307 Okay. I'm looking again to folks 1151 03:01:24,807 --> 03:01:29,054 in the gallery. Anyone willing to speak to or in opposition 1152 03:01:29,151 --> 03:01:30,866 of this application? 1153 03:01:33,530 --> 03:01:37,203 Seeing none, I'm sorry, the applicant or agent 1154 03:01:37,703 --> 03:01:40,609 For the applicant? Okay, and is Emma with us? 1155 03:01:41,307 --> 03:01:43,643 Emma West from Blue Streets. Okay, Emma. 1156 03:01:44,243 --> 03:01:47,698 Electronic. Emma is with us electronically. 1157 03:01:49,405 --> 03:01:52,630 So Emma, you need to hit the talking head button. 1158 03:01:53,163 --> 03:01:54,565 She has lots. 1159 03:01:58,327 --> 03:02:01,561 Have you got her there? She's with us. 1160 03:02:03,285 --> 03:02:06,200 So, Emma, we know that you are online with us. 1161 03:02:14,870 --> 03:02:16,686 Okay, 1162 03:02:21,763 --> 03:02:24,567 Emma, something is happening, but we still don't see you. 1163 03:02:35,765 --> 03:02:39,845 Emma, we can see you, but you'll need to unmute yourself. So leave 1164 03:02:39,877 --> 03:02:43,492 the talking head button alone and look for the 1165 03:02:43,992 --> 03:02:47,764 mute/unmute. Can you hear me? We can. Perfect. 1166 03:02:47,812 --> 03:02:51,683 Thank you. Wonderful. Thank you so much for your help on that. 1167 03:02:51,989 --> 03:02:55,082 Right. Well, and so you've got a slight delay. Slide deck, so you need to 1168 03:02:55,099 --> 03:02:58,221 hit the share button. Okay, perfect. Thank you. 1169 03:02:59,912 --> 03:03:03,230 And I'm 1170 03:03:03,730 --> 03:03:08,428 sorry, I haven't used this platform before. Can you see my screen? 1171 03:03:08,620 --> 03:03:11,866 I've hit the share button. I appreciate your 1172 03:03:12,139 --> 03:03:15,224 accommodation of me here. Yes. Yeah, wait a 1173 03:03:15,724 --> 03:03:18,897 minute. Waiting to share. Hang on one second. The, uh, 1174 03:03:21,894 --> 03:03:25,133 It would appear that the computer's thinking about— the clerk speaking. So have you hit 1175 03:03:25,633 --> 03:03:28,789 the share button, which is in the top left toolbar? 1176 03:03:29,968 --> 03:03:33,455 Yes, I, I have. Could you unhit it and then hit 1177 03:03:33,955 --> 03:03:37,723 it again, just in case I need to do something here? We rarely have this 1178 03:03:37,773 --> 03:03:41,432 happen. Okay, so I've 1179 03:03:41,932 --> 03:03:45,489 hit it. Uh, there's something that's prohibiting the 1180 03:03:45,553 --> 03:03:48,743 source from your side. But I have your slides, 1181 03:03:48,775 --> 03:03:52,030 so I can display them. You'll just have to tell 1182 03:03:52,530 --> 03:03:55,818 me when to advance. Just hold on. That would be wonderful. 1183 03:03:55,882 --> 03:03:59,643 Thank you. Sorry about that. Looks like my system 1184 03:03:59,853 --> 03:04:02,580 settings are not set to share in this platform. 1185 03:04:10,960 --> 03:04:14,594 Sorry. Emma, we're going to try one last-ditch effort. Can you share 1186 03:04:14,643 --> 03:04:17,030 again? We think we might have hit Hit a new button. 1187 03:04:18,291 --> 03:04:21,719 No. Okay. I've hit share screen. 1188 03:04:22,058 --> 03:04:25,228 I— No, we're no further ahead. Back to me. 1189 03:04:27,352 --> 03:04:27,597 Okay. 1190 03:04:47,288 --> 03:04:50,318 Emma, I'm sharing for everyone else. Are you seeing that? 1191 03:04:51,478 --> 03:04:53,459 I can see that. That's perfect. Thank you so much. 1192 03:05:06,647 --> 03:05:10,566 Tonight, and obviously we're here to listen and to answer questions 1193 03:05:10,599 --> 03:05:13,890 if needed, just have a brief presentation location 1194 03:05:13,922 --> 03:05:17,918 here. If you can go to the next slide. The site 1195 03:05:18,078 --> 03:05:21,512 is located at Lambs 1196 03:05:21,609 --> 03:05:24,786 and Concession in the northeast quadrant of that 1197 03:05:24,914 --> 03:05:28,493 intersection. The site is approximately 40 1198 03:05:28,749 --> 03:05:32,456 hectares in size. It's got about 400 1199 03:05:32,956 --> 03:05:36,516 meters of frontage on Concession and about 1,000 on 1200 03:05:36,933 --> 03:05:40,753 Lambs Road. Currently, the site is used for 1201 03:05:41,907 --> 03:05:45,335 agriculture, and there is a 1.5-storey dwelling 1202 03:05:45,447 --> 03:05:49,421 at the south end. Next slide, please. Just to briefly 1203 03:05:49,613 --> 03:05:53,330 touch on the planning context, so you can see the 1204 03:05:53,378 --> 03:05:57,095 Durham Region Official Plan, which is a part of the Clarington Official Plan now. 1205 03:05:58,184 --> 03:06:01,597 You can see the subject site is outlined there. It's a part 1206 03:06:01,629 --> 03:06:05,346 of the community areas. On the right-hand 1207 03:06:05,378 --> 03:06:09,687 side, you can see the Clarington Official Plan and that the site is designated 1208 03:06:09,880 --> 03:06:13,249 urban residential. The yellow, it's got a community park 1209 03:06:13,749 --> 03:06:16,990 in green, and there's also a piece of environmental protection. 1210 03:06:17,889 --> 03:06:21,550 Next slide, please. Importantly, the secondary plan, 1211 03:06:22,256 --> 03:06:25,307 Soper Hill Secondary Plan, applies to the site. 1212 03:06:25,516 --> 03:06:29,097 You can see the outline black area in the 1213 03:06:29,305 --> 03:06:31,906 northwest quadrant of the secondary plan. 1214 03:06:32,501 --> 03:06:36,242 That secondary plan was approved in May of this 1215 03:06:36,274 --> 03:06:40,494 year. The application that we are here to discuss tonight 1216 03:06:40,944 --> 03:06:44,570 was submitted 2 months before that. I do just want to point out a 1217 03:06:45,070 --> 03:06:48,373 few things in the secondary plan. Here you can see the medium 1218 03:06:48,469 --> 03:06:52,561 density in orange wraps the northwest 1219 03:06:52,577 --> 03:06:56,396 and south edges of the property. The yellow is 1220 03:06:56,492 --> 03:06:59,702 a low density residential. In the 1221 03:07:00,202 --> 03:07:03,809 approved secondary plan, you can see a school site in the middle. You can 1222 03:07:04,309 --> 03:07:07,741 see a neighborhood park, and there are 2 little blue dots 1223 03:07:07,821 --> 03:07:11,533 that are probably hard to see from there, that are two stormwater 1224 03:07:12,033 --> 03:07:15,904 management ponds. So to the next slide, 1225 03:07:16,081 --> 03:07:20,147 just briefly, the site, even though that is the secondary 1226 03:07:20,260 --> 03:07:24,197 plan that applies and is designated for residential and some 1227 03:07:24,697 --> 03:07:28,618 of the other uses I mentioned, the site is currently zoned for agriculture. 1228 03:07:29,197 --> 03:07:32,334 If we go to the next slide, I'd just 1229 03:07:32,834 --> 03:07:36,847 like to show a comparison of that approved 1230 03:07:37,347 --> 03:07:41,288 secondary plan on the left side and the concept that supports 1231 03:07:41,336 --> 03:07:45,472 the zoning bylaw amendment and plan of subdivision that have been submitted 1232 03:07:45,648 --> 03:07:49,287 to Clarington. So you can see that the orange, 1233 03:07:49,351 --> 03:07:52,845 the medium density, wraps the north, the west, and the south. 1234 03:07:53,519 --> 03:07:57,815 The low density is the yellow, that's a mix of singles 1235 03:07:58,071 --> 03:08:01,614 and towns. You can see the purple is the school site, 1236 03:08:02,095 --> 03:08:05,750 the green is the park in the middle of the plan area, and two stormwater 1237 03:08:06,250 --> 03:08:09,330 water management ponds. So if you go to the next slide, 1238 03:08:09,892 --> 03:08:14,163 a summary of what that includes. So again, a mix of single 1239 03:08:14,212 --> 03:08:17,873 detached dwellings, townhouses, some apartment units 1240 03:08:18,049 --> 03:08:21,341 as well. The natural heritage system block up in the 1241 03:08:21,841 --> 03:08:25,307 northwest corner is protected. There are storm ponds, there are new 1242 03:08:25,676 --> 03:08:29,225 streets identified throughout the plan area. If you 1243 03:08:29,725 --> 03:08:33,445 go to the next slide. On this one, you can see what is actually 1244 03:08:33,477 --> 03:08:37,325 being proposed through the zoning bylaw amendment and the draft plan of 1245 03:08:37,825 --> 03:08:40,500 subdivision that have been submitted. So on the left side, 1246 03:08:40,853 --> 03:08:44,253 that's the schedule in the draft zoning bylaw amendment 1247 03:08:44,301 --> 03:08:48,310 that was submitted with the application. You can see that it includes 1248 03:08:48,454 --> 03:08:51,020 3 zone categories, the green up at the top, 1249 03:08:51,036 --> 03:08:55,013 environmental protection, and then the medium density residential 1250 03:08:55,125 --> 03:08:58,461 is an R4 zone, and the low density that would 1251 03:08:58,477 --> 03:09:02,229 include the school and the park is the R2 zone. 1252 03:09:03,047 --> 03:09:06,590 Right-hand side is the plan of subdivision that, as I mentioned, 1253 03:09:06,654 --> 03:09:10,100 creates new blocks and streets and the school block and the 1254 03:09:10,600 --> 03:09:14,797 park block and the stormwater management ponds. So in conclusion, 1255 03:09:15,326 --> 03:09:19,270 on the final slide, the applications again align fully 1256 03:09:19,638 --> 03:09:23,069 with the secondary plan that was approved by this council. 1257 03:09:23,582 --> 03:09:27,189 They introduced new public roads, a new school block, a new 1258 03:09:27,689 --> 03:09:31,127 neighborhood park, All of which integrate the subject 1259 03:09:31,627 --> 03:09:34,831 site into the surrounding context and the planned areas in the 1260 03:09:35,331 --> 03:09:39,514 surroundings. It optimizes the use of the urban area, 1261 03:09:41,045 --> 03:09:44,159 contributes to a greater mix and range of housing 1262 03:09:44,256 --> 03:09:47,936 options, and it's consistent with the PPS and the official 1263 03:09:47,984 --> 03:09:51,623 plans and the secondary plan. Looking forward to your questions 1264 03:09:51,721 --> 03:09:53,318 and hearing the comments. Thank you. 1265 03:09:54,774 --> 03:09:57,332 Well, thank you very much. I've got Councillor Traill. 1266 03:10:00,067 --> 03:10:03,675 Hi, thank you very much. Um, and I just have some questions 1267 03:10:03,707 --> 03:10:07,089 for you arising out of my support for 1268 03:10:07,589 --> 03:10:11,039 the Camp 30 site across the road. Um, I would like 1269 03:10:11,539 --> 03:10:15,154 to know what the process would be if— so I'm just 1270 03:10:15,654 --> 03:10:18,758 going to preface this with saying that I think one option 1271 03:10:19,035 --> 03:10:22,482 that, that we may see or we'd like to see is 1272 03:10:22,514 --> 03:10:26,303 that perhaps a private investor or a company or 1273 03:10:26,351 --> 03:10:30,060 a developer, uh, ends up, say, purchasing the, 1274 03:10:30,381 --> 03:10:34,218 the remaining properties in the Ring Road and converting them into, you know, like a 1275 03:10:34,718 --> 03:10:38,071 distillery-type district, um, you know, development with, with, with commercial. 1276 03:10:38,408 --> 03:10:41,475 But if that doesn't happen, and there's a role for the municipality, I'd like 1277 03:10:41,523 --> 03:10:45,713 to know what the planning process would be with respect to the new park 1278 03:10:46,213 --> 03:10:49,452 that is put forward in this proposal. So I'm turning 1279 03:10:49,629 --> 03:10:52,611 to the new park that you noted next to the school. 1280 03:10:53,011 --> 03:10:56,795 Now, it's my understanding that that new park was not in the original 1281 03:10:56,843 --> 03:11:00,098 plan. That was on the first slide. There was a 1282 03:11:00,146 --> 03:11:02,807 big park at the south end of the development. Now, 1283 03:11:03,432 --> 03:11:06,206 in the north end, I see that the park has been added there. 1284 03:11:06,735 --> 03:11:10,198 So if there is a role for the municipality and 1285 03:11:10,230 --> 03:11:13,869 say they don't end up going with the private sector, my question is, 1286 03:11:13,934 --> 03:11:18,070 what would be the process for removing that parkland and applying 1287 03:11:18,570 --> 03:11:22,085 applying that parkland credit or that dedication to the Camp 30 site instead, 1288 03:11:22,278 --> 03:11:25,378 just hypothetically speaking, what process would we follow to do 1289 03:11:25,394 --> 03:11:28,751 that? And I'm assuming this would be in the next term. So these 1290 03:11:28,799 --> 03:11:31,979 are two separate parcels of land. We're here to 1291 03:11:32,479 --> 03:11:36,348 talk about the land on the east side of Lambs Road. And as I mentioned, 1292 03:11:37,038 --> 03:11:40,588 the park site in the center of the proposal that's 1293 03:11:41,088 --> 03:11:43,671 before you today, the neighborhood park that's there, 1294 03:11:43,800 --> 03:11:47,544 that's— exactly where it's shown in the secondary plan. 1295 03:11:47,994 --> 03:11:51,834 So the earlier version of the Soper Hills secondary 1296 03:11:52,334 --> 03:11:56,156 plan did show a community park down at the corner 1297 03:11:56,237 --> 03:11:59,708 of Concession and Lambs. That was in a draft, 1298 03:12:00,431 --> 03:12:04,175 but that wasn't what council ended up approving 1299 03:12:04,368 --> 03:12:07,903 back in May. And so— So I'm gonna 1300 03:12:08,128 --> 03:12:12,288 jump in here for a moment. We're supposed to be speaking to the application 1301 03:12:12,561 --> 03:12:15,644 in front of us. Oh, that's right. I am. 1302 03:12:16,398 --> 03:12:20,204 Thank you. Could I not be interrupted? Not the property interrupted. 1303 03:12:20,733 --> 03:12:24,202 Councillor Trail. Mr. Mayor, you're interrupting staff. Could you please show some 1304 03:12:24,702 --> 03:12:28,232 respect and allow her to finish? Councillor Trail, you are out of order. 1305 03:12:28,537 --> 03:12:31,700 I think it would be helpful if you're interrupting people. Emma. Yes, 1306 03:12:31,909 --> 03:12:34,992 both of you. You're interrupting both of us now. 1307 03:12:36,197 --> 03:12:40,037 Councilor Trail, can you please apologize? Councilor Trail, you are 1308 03:12:40,248 --> 03:12:42,857 out of order, right? 1309 03:12:44,470 --> 03:12:46,469 Second time. Whatever you say. 1310 03:12:51,279 --> 03:12:55,437 So if you would focus your questions on 1311 03:12:55,534 --> 03:12:58,867 the report in front of us, please. Councilor Trail, 1312 03:12:58,883 --> 03:13:02,699 I have— Mr. Mayor and Miss West 1313 03:13:03,199 --> 03:13:06,311 has confirmed that so is she. Would you like to not interrupt either 1314 03:13:06,327 --> 03:13:09,539 of us further, please? This is going to be the third time. 1315 03:13:10,101 --> 03:13:13,408 I will look to members of the council to ask you to leave 1316 03:13:13,473 --> 03:13:17,310 this meeting. I won't make that decision on my own, 1317 03:13:17,326 --> 03:13:20,634 but the disrespect that you are showing and the disrespect that you have shown in 1318 03:13:21,134 --> 03:13:24,086 the past, I think we have all just about had it. 1319 03:13:25,451 --> 03:13:29,271 So if you want to carry on Speaking to 1320 03:13:29,578 --> 03:13:32,944 the report in front of us, but I would encourage you to be 1321 03:13:33,219 --> 03:13:33,705 respectful. 1322 03:13:36,770 --> 03:13:40,573 Mr. Mayor, you're gaslighting me. Miss West had the floor and she just confirmed 1323 03:13:41,073 --> 03:13:44,216 I was speaking to the report, and so is she. May we please proceed without 1324 03:13:44,716 --> 03:13:47,998 interruption? Thank you. Members, Councilor, 1325 03:13:48,014 --> 03:13:49,644 I wonder if you'd give a 5-minute break. 1326 03:13:51,150 --> 03:13:54,803 Thank you, Councilor Zwart, seconded by Councilor Alhaj. This is bullying, 1327 03:13:54,836 --> 03:13:58,445 Mr. Mayor, and I hope it ends. That is great. 1328 03:13:58,510 --> 03:13:59,842 Thank you. Thank you. 1329 03:19:21,899 --> 03:19:24,478 Sorry, am I permitted to continue asking my questions? 1330 03:19:29,639 --> 03:19:30,402 One moment, Councilor Trill. 1331 03:19:48,620 --> 03:19:52,660 All righty, so we'll call the meeting back to order. I'm hoping that 1332 03:19:53,189 --> 03:19:56,764 we have a, a bit of a reset 1333 03:19:57,264 --> 03:20:00,466 to, to get back to some productive, uh, work and 1334 03:20:00,834 --> 03:20:04,360 dialogue, uh, on this. Uh, Councillor Traill, you, 1335 03:20:04,728 --> 03:20:07,901 uh, you do have the floor. Oh, I do? Okay. 1336 03:20:08,254 --> 03:20:11,603 And hopefully I won't be interrupted again. Thank you. I will keep my comments as 1337 03:20:11,635 --> 03:20:15,705 brief as possible. Okay, so although I was democratically elected 1338 03:20:16,205 --> 03:20:19,487 to be here to ask— All right, Councillor Traill, I— yep, 1339 03:20:20,593 --> 03:20:24,653 you know, we, we could move forward We are— I don't need your editorial comments. 1340 03:20:24,717 --> 03:20:28,523 I'm trying to move ahead. Miss West, may I please proceed 1341 03:20:28,716 --> 03:20:31,703 to ask my questions? Thank you. When you have the floor, Mr. Mayor, 1342 03:20:31,832 --> 03:20:35,879 you can speak. That's how this works. Um, actually, Councillor, that's not how this 1343 03:20:35,927 --> 03:20:39,300 works. Um, okay, I am— I am the 1344 03:20:39,800 --> 03:20:42,849 mayor. Uh, I am the chair. I— you know, 1345 03:20:42,913 --> 03:20:46,061 you, you are— you are being disrespectful, uh, 1346 03:20:46,366 --> 03:20:50,061 to myself and all of your colleagues. 1347 03:20:50,162 --> 03:20:53,915 Councillor Wu. How so, sir? Your Worship, 1348 03:20:54,238 --> 03:20:57,540 Councillor Traill, point of order. Let's just get on with 1349 03:20:58,040 --> 03:21:01,486 this and ask your question to Miss West. 1350 03:21:01,808 --> 03:21:03,802 Let's just move on. Forget all this other, 1351 03:21:07,113 --> 03:21:10,287 uh— This is incredibly belittling. Can I please proceed? Thank you. 1352 03:21:10,984 --> 03:21:13,510 I've got Councillor Anderson, I think, has a point of order as well. 1353 03:21:14,526 --> 03:21:17,909 Everybody here wants to weigh in on my ability to speak. I think Councillor Wu 1354 03:21:18,168 --> 03:21:22,062 has said it quite eloquently. Ask your question. It's no 1355 03:21:22,562 --> 03:21:25,869 need for back and forth banter. Just ask the question you 1356 03:21:25,886 --> 03:21:29,564 want to ask. So, Councilor Trajan, to the 1357 03:21:29,597 --> 03:21:33,966 application. Thank you. Thank you for your permission 1358 03:21:34,095 --> 03:21:36,986 to all of my male colleagues who have decided to weigh in to let me 1359 03:21:37,486 --> 03:21:41,067 know it's okay for me to do my job. Thank you. Now, getting back to 1360 03:21:41,567 --> 03:21:44,762 my question, would anybody else like to let me know it's okay for me to 1361 03:21:45,262 --> 03:21:48,467 do my job, please? Well, I think I've got a— I think I've got 1362 03:21:48,967 --> 03:21:51,945 a third point of order from Councillor Zwart. Thank you. Point of order. 1363 03:21:52,619 --> 03:21:56,466 I'm sure you do. As your female colleague, I would also like this, 1364 03:21:56,706 --> 03:22:00,009 uh, the questions be directed to 1365 03:22:00,509 --> 03:22:03,872 the report that we are currently discussing. Thank you, 1366 03:22:03,920 --> 03:22:08,601 Councillor. I need to do that for the last 5 minutes. So wow, 1367 03:22:09,530 --> 03:22:13,137 this is why people are upset. Okay, so I'd like to know, and what I'd 1368 03:22:13,637 --> 03:22:17,225 asked you before I was interrupted, is what process we follow if 1369 03:22:17,241 --> 03:22:20,655 we want to move the new parkland that has been added, 1370 03:22:21,088 --> 03:22:23,685 right, as part of this most recent revision, 1371 03:22:24,134 --> 03:22:27,789 if we want to allocate that parkland to the west side of Lambs Road— 1372 03:22:27,821 --> 03:22:31,684 this is directly on the report. I asked this 10 minutes ago, and I'm so 1373 03:22:32,184 --> 03:22:35,115 sorry, Ms. West, for all of the interruptions that you just had to deal with. 1374 03:22:35,676 --> 03:22:38,625 Could, could you please advise what the protocol would be for us to do this 1375 03:22:39,125 --> 03:22:43,274 if this is something we'd like to explore, or if today's decision sets this 1376 03:22:43,774 --> 03:22:47,586 parkland in stone and we cannot reopen this down the road depending 1377 03:22:47,682 --> 03:22:51,260 on what the, the landscape looks what it looks like for the historic World 1378 03:22:51,760 --> 03:22:52,513 War II site across the way. 1379 03:22:55,149 --> 03:22:58,014 Thank you for the question, and through you, Mr. 1380 03:22:58,304 --> 03:23:00,686 Mayor, to Councillor Traill, 1381 03:23:02,570 --> 03:23:05,758 I would remind you, and I don't know if the clerk can bring 1382 03:23:06,113 --> 03:23:08,723 my presentation back up to slide 7. 1383 03:23:09,352 --> 03:23:13,848 So what's before you today is the zoning bylaw amendment 1384 03:23:14,348 --> 03:23:17,303 application Apologies, it might be, yes, that one. Thank you. 1385 03:23:18,218 --> 03:23:21,911 So what you can see here on the left is the 1386 03:23:22,411 --> 03:23:26,149 approved secondary plan that council, this council approved 1387 03:23:26,649 --> 03:23:29,119 in May of 2026 of this year. 1388 03:23:30,419 --> 03:23:34,625 So you can see in that approved secondary 1389 03:23:34,657 --> 03:23:37,354 plan, which is a part of the official plan, 1390 03:23:38,028 --> 03:23:41,689 that the secondary plan schedule shows a neighbourhood 1391 03:23:41,721 --> 03:23:45,302 park sort of in the middle of the subject lands that 1392 03:23:45,399 --> 03:23:49,607 we are here to talk about, that green area. So the 1393 03:23:50,107 --> 03:23:53,992 secondary plan and all official 1394 03:23:54,492 --> 03:23:58,682 plans that indicate that a park would go somewhere 1395 03:23:58,890 --> 03:24:02,810 in a municipality would provide some 1396 03:24:03,002 --> 03:24:06,504 flexibility for some modifications to 1397 03:24:06,536 --> 03:24:10,358 the location of the park that has been identified. 1398 03:24:10,872 --> 03:24:14,484 I was not involved in preparing the secondary plan, but did monitor 1399 03:24:14,984 --> 03:24:18,482 the process and understand that a fair amount of thought went into where the 1400 03:24:18,982 --> 03:24:23,107 parks and schools would be located within the secondary plan more 1401 03:24:23,235 --> 03:24:27,265 broadly because it's much bigger than this area. So if 1402 03:24:27,313 --> 03:24:31,071 there was a desire by the municipality 1403 03:24:31,263 --> 03:24:35,230 to change the plan, change the secondary plan, 1404 03:24:36,226 --> 03:24:39,759 there would need to be an official plan amendment to do that. 1405 03:24:40,337 --> 03:24:43,388 If it is a wholesale change to the 1406 03:24:43,888 --> 03:24:47,371 secondary plan, more limited modifications 1407 03:24:47,468 --> 03:24:51,949 to it, to a secondary plan, can be contemplated 1408 03:24:52,045 --> 03:24:55,113 often for the location of a park 1409 03:24:55,257 --> 03:24:59,465 or even the precise location of a school or a stormwater 1410 03:24:59,965 --> 03:25:03,670 management facility. So you can see all of those things are in 1411 03:25:03,702 --> 03:25:07,988 the approved secondary plan and that the application, 1412 03:25:08,196 --> 03:25:11,920 the concept is on the right side and that those are 1413 03:25:12,048 --> 03:25:15,499 put where the secondary plan put them. So it, 1414 03:25:16,221 --> 03:25:20,779 it's something that if the municipality chose to update 1415 03:25:21,279 --> 03:25:24,888 the secondary plan, they would need to go through a process to update 1416 03:25:25,113 --> 03:25:29,025 the secondary plan. Okay, thank you. Yeah, I'm asking 1417 03:25:29,121 --> 03:25:32,776 because protecting Camp 30 is in our Parks and Recreation Master Plan. 1418 03:25:32,840 --> 03:25:36,431 So when I see that this additional park is being added, in order to ensure 1419 03:25:36,931 --> 03:25:39,877 that we follow our Parks and Recreation Master Plan and do everything we can to 1420 03:25:40,377 --> 03:25:43,596 preserve that site, I'm wondering if this is something we might want to explore. 1421 03:25:43,725 --> 03:25:46,081 So I appreciate you explaining that process to me. 1422 03:25:46,674 --> 03:25:50,217 Um, now what about the fact that we do have the Bowmanville Zoo site just 1423 03:25:50,717 --> 03:25:53,551 to the south of this development, which includes 34 acres of parkland? 1424 03:25:53,904 --> 03:25:57,719 Was that considered when the additional park was added here? Because again, 1425 03:25:58,056 --> 03:26:00,752 I'm looking at this from this perspective of somebody saying, hey, 1426 03:26:01,362 --> 03:26:05,662 we have one in, you know, probably the only one of its kind 1427 03:26:05,694 --> 03:26:09,225 in North America, as from a historical perspective, across the road, but we 1428 03:26:09,385 --> 03:26:13,172 were short on parkland there. So with respect to being able to 1429 03:26:13,221 --> 03:26:16,237 look at that site, so I just want to ask again, was the Bowmanville Zoo 1430 03:26:16,286 --> 03:26:19,976 site factored into this when we're doing the calculation for 1431 03:26:20,476 --> 03:26:23,571 how much parkland is needed for new developments? So again, 1432 03:26:23,635 --> 03:26:26,780 that's the point I was trying to make. Through the mayor to the councillor, 1433 03:26:26,860 --> 03:26:30,694 as I said, I was not involved in the preparation of the secondary 1434 03:26:30,726 --> 03:26:34,320 plan. I think that question would be better directed to staff. 1435 03:26:34,817 --> 03:26:38,266 I am here on behalf of the applicant who, right, as you can 1436 03:26:38,766 --> 03:26:42,582 see with these two images on the screen, we have a proposal to 1437 03:26:42,678 --> 03:26:46,737 update the zoning and to create a plan of subdivision. Those are the applications 1438 03:26:47,314 --> 03:26:50,587 before you that implement what you see on the left side of the screen, 1439 03:26:50,779 --> 03:26:54,458 and that's what staff and council made a decision on 1440 03:26:54,652 --> 03:26:57,691 and worked on, that, that's not my work to, 1441 03:26:58,193 --> 03:27:02,248 uh, comment on. And you represent— there's a group of landowners 1442 03:27:02,748 --> 03:27:06,648 involved in this, right? It's Lambs Road Development is 1443 03:27:06,906 --> 03:27:10,906 the owner. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so this was— so I 1444 03:27:11,197 --> 03:27:14,249 do appreciate that this would require going back to the table if we, 1445 03:27:14,346 --> 03:27:17,769 if we end up reopening this in January, but at this 1446 03:27:17,801 --> 03:27:21,509 point You are saying that that is a possibility through an 1447 03:27:22,009 --> 03:27:25,473 official plan amendment? The municipality can 1448 03:27:25,763 --> 03:27:28,442 update their official plan whenever they choose to, 1449 03:27:28,748 --> 03:27:32,944 but we're here to have an application heard, 1450 03:27:33,008 --> 03:27:36,875 get some input here, some questions about something that implements 1451 03:27:37,375 --> 03:27:40,805 the secondary plan. So definitely the municipality can choose to 1452 03:27:40,821 --> 03:27:44,096 update the official plan whenever they choose to. And all 1453 03:27:44,144 --> 03:27:47,842 that will result in your clients doing would be essentially 1454 03:27:47,874 --> 03:27:51,339 building more houses, to be honest, right? Because if, if we are— if we end 1455 03:27:51,839 --> 03:27:54,981 up moving that parkland dedication to the other side, for example, 1456 03:27:55,478 --> 03:27:58,767 you would just simply have more room to build more homes there. Is that accurate 1457 03:27:58,959 --> 03:28:02,312 or no? That's, that's not something that we've analyzed 1458 03:28:02,812 --> 03:28:06,531 in detail, and obviously, you know, the parkland dedication 1459 03:28:06,788 --> 03:28:09,932 requirements for this proposal are the 1460 03:28:10,012 --> 03:28:13,798 thing that we have focused on in terms of the amount of development the 1461 03:28:13,862 --> 03:28:17,845 Planning Act parkland dedication requirements and also following 1462 03:28:18,182 --> 03:28:21,810 what was in the approved secondary plan. For sure. 1463 03:28:22,196 --> 03:28:24,877 Well, and I appreciate it. However, we do also happen to have, I think, 1464 03:28:24,942 --> 03:28:28,554 what will be the biggest park in Clarington on the south side of, uh, 1465 03:28:28,795 --> 03:28:32,392 of, of that road with the Bowmanville Zoo site, which we are having the grand 1466 03:28:32,892 --> 03:28:35,940 opening for tomorrow. So thank you again, and I do appreciate 1467 03:28:36,440 --> 03:28:39,864 your patience. Thank you very much. Those are all my questions. I'm finished asking 1468 03:28:40,364 --> 03:28:45,157 questions now. Thank you, Mr. Lyons. You're almost 1469 03:28:45,206 --> 03:28:48,823 chewing your tongue off. Would, would you care 1470 03:28:49,323 --> 03:28:53,042 to address some of what we just heard? Thank you, 1471 03:28:53,090 --> 03:28:56,230 Mr. Mayor. It's not necessarily that I'm chewing my tongue off, 1472 03:28:56,326 --> 03:28:59,961 but I would like to clarify a couple of things, in particular for the public 1473 03:29:00,461 --> 03:29:04,005 that is joining us today. Emma West is the consultant for the applicant. They are 1474 03:29:04,505 --> 03:29:07,877 not a member of of our staff. Staff and council have been involved in the 1475 03:29:08,377 --> 03:29:11,618 development of a secondary plan. They are only one voice of an entire 1476 03:29:11,650 --> 03:29:15,504 landowners group that we have support letters for on this secondary plan that council 1477 03:29:16,004 --> 03:29:19,373 just recently approved. It is before the Ontario Land Tribunal because 1478 03:29:19,873 --> 03:29:23,018 we have received an appeal on it. So it is in a litigation as well, 1479 03:29:23,147 --> 03:29:25,555 which is why I don't really want to go into a lot of detail myself 1480 03:29:26,055 --> 03:29:30,180 about the status of that secondary plan. In order to change policy 1481 03:29:30,680 --> 03:29:34,210 policy is different than what we're looking at here, which is implementing approved 1482 03:29:34,710 --> 03:29:38,320 policy direction. So in the situation of removal of parkland, 1483 03:29:38,336 --> 03:29:41,772 applying it elsewhere, council can approve policy change. 1484 03:29:42,639 --> 03:29:45,915 You can direct staff on what to do in litigation and what 1485 03:29:46,349 --> 03:29:50,170 decisions to make bringing that forward. But also 1486 03:29:50,363 --> 03:29:53,622 in the development of that secondary plan, staff were ensuring 1487 03:29:53,654 --> 03:29:57,633 that it conformed to the Parks and Rec Master that already identified 1488 03:29:57,810 --> 03:30:00,968 the Camp 30. It already identified all of the other park 1489 03:30:01,468 --> 03:30:04,286 space, and I don't have the exact number on the top of my head, 1490 03:30:04,318 --> 03:30:08,246 but I believe that the Parks and Rec Plan also spoke to a requirement of 1491 03:30:08,746 --> 03:30:12,142 an additional 105 hectares of land that we need to get, 1492 03:30:12,799 --> 03:30:16,246 and that was direction from council. So through Planning Act 1493 03:30:16,746 --> 03:30:19,821 process, the Planning Act enables the municipality to require 1494 03:30:20,013 --> 03:30:22,965 parkland and and/or cash in lieu of parkland. 1495 03:30:23,559 --> 03:30:27,092 That would be looked at through this process. So as Emma 1496 03:30:27,381 --> 03:30:31,074 has kindly walked through the nuance and the fact that this application 1497 03:30:31,106 --> 03:30:33,964 came in prior to the secondary plan being approved, 1498 03:30:34,638 --> 03:30:38,412 of course the land use had changed. Council approved a direction for 1499 03:30:38,492 --> 03:30:40,740 what should be protected for in that area. 1500 03:30:41,527 --> 03:30:44,915 And Emma, and I know that Caitlin Group, who I met with 1501 03:30:45,415 --> 03:30:49,394 earlier today, outlined that they were doing work in order to bring it into conformity 1502 03:30:49,410 --> 03:30:52,975 with that secondary plan, which is the new map that has been shown. 1503 03:30:53,425 --> 03:30:56,475 I do want to flag that none of my staff have had a chance or 1504 03:30:56,975 --> 03:31:01,067 opportunity to review that or receive it or even have conversations with 1505 03:31:01,373 --> 03:31:04,873 Caitlin Group or with them to sort of walk through that. So that will 1506 03:31:04,905 --> 03:31:08,454 be all part of the upcoming process. But I am happy to see 1507 03:31:08,759 --> 03:31:12,468 that Caitlin Group as well as, as Bousfield 1508 03:31:12,968 --> 03:31:16,340 is already working to try and bring it into alignment with the direction and decision 1509 03:31:16,388 --> 03:31:19,776 of council. So with that, staff will 1510 03:31:20,276 --> 03:31:22,858 of course take any direction from council on which direction you would like to go, 1511 03:31:23,019 --> 03:31:26,654 but I just wanted to sort of bring together all of the different layers and 1512 03:31:27,154 --> 03:31:30,175 the pieces that led to where this secondary plan is at. 1513 03:31:32,965 --> 03:31:36,828 Thank you, sir. From members of council, do we have, 1514 03:31:37,006 --> 03:31:39,253 uh, further questions for Emma. 1515 03:31:41,605 --> 03:31:45,320 Oddly, it feels like a lot of energy has left the room, 1516 03:31:45,434 --> 03:31:45,969 sadly. 1517 03:31:46,700 --> 03:31:50,783 Councillor Woo. 1518 03:31:51,366 --> 03:31:54,105 Through Your Worship and to the Deputy CAO, 1519 03:31:54,970 --> 03:31:58,357 so the Figure 1 that I have in the report certainly is 1520 03:31:58,534 --> 03:32:01,938 different than what was presented by Emma, 1521 03:32:02,647 --> 03:32:06,307 and especially with a school block with what we have in 1522 03:32:06,355 --> 03:32:10,009 the report that we have before us and what was 1523 03:32:10,121 --> 03:32:13,807 presented. There's a school block and no 1524 03:32:13,967 --> 03:32:17,301 longer is there a parkland at the corner of 1525 03:32:17,333 --> 03:32:21,579 Concession and Lambs, which I think was the community 1526 03:32:21,659 --> 03:32:24,832 park that was— I'm 1527 03:32:25,009 --> 03:32:28,598 trying to think how far it was back, maybe 2014, 1528 03:32:28,630 --> 03:32:32,262 2015. When we decided to move the community park 1529 03:32:32,650 --> 03:32:36,581 from the Camp 30 lands, the south park, to this 1530 03:32:36,872 --> 03:32:40,470 area. With that parkland now, 1531 03:32:40,827 --> 03:32:44,975 and it's 2.4 hectares or about 6 1532 03:32:45,475 --> 03:32:48,874 acres, the school right beside it makes sense. 1533 03:32:48,939 --> 03:32:52,757 That's what we tried to do, is have a school beside 1534 03:32:53,257 --> 03:32:56,469 a park. Is that correct? So through the mayor, 1535 03:32:56,485 --> 03:33:00,013 that is absolutely correct. One of the things that I would just like to sort 1536 03:33:00,513 --> 03:33:03,526 of add to explain that even further was that through the ongoing work with the 1537 03:33:04,026 --> 03:33:07,519 landowners group for this area, there was an identification by the school board of the 1538 03:33:08,019 --> 03:33:11,945 number of school sites that were required. There was also trying to figure out what 1539 03:33:12,025 --> 03:33:15,377 is the parkland dedication required amongst all of those landowners, 1540 03:33:15,393 --> 03:33:19,226 the participating landowners, to define what is an appropriate space, 1541 03:33:19,675 --> 03:33:23,977 size, and location in the different areas of the secondary plan for 1542 03:33:23,993 --> 03:33:27,911 park space. So what you'll have seen within Emma's 1543 03:33:28,168 --> 03:33:31,668 updated version, which is what they're trying to conform to, is there's actually 1544 03:33:32,102 --> 03:33:35,795 a school, a neighborhood park, and a school. So we're really 1545 03:33:36,295 --> 03:33:39,745 trying to find ways to maximize opportunity for park 1546 03:33:40,245 --> 03:33:43,871 space, for play space that's safe for kids, as well as 1547 03:33:43,887 --> 03:33:46,466 having it co-located with schools. Okay, 1548 03:33:47,192 --> 03:33:50,966 so the parkland that we're seeing in the new updated, which was 1549 03:33:51,079 --> 03:33:54,682 posted, that is parkland dedication. The school 1550 03:33:54,795 --> 03:33:58,292 beside it, there's no guarantees there will be a school 1551 03:33:58,340 --> 03:34:02,207 because the school has to first buy the property, then I guess 1552 03:34:02,707 --> 03:34:05,847 go through the whole process with 1553 03:34:05,880 --> 03:34:08,740 the Ministry of Education for funding. Is that correct? 1554 03:34:09,791 --> 03:34:13,101 So through the mayor, that, that is correct. Thank you. 1555 03:34:14,617 --> 03:34:17,826 Thank you, Councillor. Do you have any further questions 1556 03:34:17,923 --> 03:34:20,020 or comments for Emma? 1557 03:34:21,862 --> 03:34:25,726 I don't see any, so that puts 1558 03:34:26,226 --> 03:34:30,171 6.2.1 on the 1559 03:34:30,671 --> 03:34:33,728 agenda. If I can get a mover and a seconder, please. Moved by Councillor Rang, 1560 03:34:33,842 --> 03:34:37,734 seconded by Councillor Elhaj. Questions or 1561 03:34:39,765 --> 03:34:43,001 Comments? Make a brief comment. While this is an initial meeting, 1562 03:34:43,903 --> 03:34:47,719 um, I, I would be hard-pressed to 1563 03:34:48,219 --> 03:34:51,742 support development of this size, uh, with no parks 1564 03:34:52,242 --> 03:34:55,592 and more houses. Uh, this council has done a huge amount of work to 1565 03:34:55,608 --> 03:34:58,203 make sure that we have green space, but, um, 1566 03:34:59,314 --> 03:35:02,807 you know, 1,290 units, uh, to swap 1567 03:35:03,307 --> 03:35:06,568 out parkland to add more houses and 1568 03:35:06,584 --> 03:35:09,507 no place for people to, to enjoy. It'd be very difficult. 1569 03:35:10,422 --> 03:35:11,995 With that, I'll call the question. All in support? 1570 03:35:13,184 --> 03:35:16,234 Opposed? And that is carried. Thank you. 1571 03:35:17,663 --> 03:35:21,645 That brings us to item 6.3, public meeting 1572 03:35:21,758 --> 03:35:25,820 for an official plan amendment. The applicant is Netheri 1573 03:35:25,997 --> 03:35:29,508 Planning on behalf of Farsight Investments. The file 1574 03:35:29,557 --> 03:35:31,991 is PDS-076-26, 1575 03:35:33,830 --> 03:35:37,474 which is an official plan amendment application to facilitate 1576 03:35:37,571 --> 03:35:41,459 182 townhouse units within a single site 1577 03:35:41,540 --> 03:35:42,204 plan block. 1578 03:35:46,830 --> 03:35:49,462 So I will look to the— do we have anyone registered? 1579 03:35:51,530 --> 03:35:55,127 Just the planner? So I'll look to the folks Folks in the gallery, 1580 03:35:55,725 --> 03:35:59,786 is there anyone willing or wanting to speak in support 1581 03:36:00,093 --> 03:36:02,859 or in opposition to this application? 1582 03:36:06,935 --> 03:36:10,369 Go for a second time. Anyone speaking 1583 03:36:10,385 --> 03:36:12,659 in support of or in opposition to? 1584 03:36:14,436 --> 03:36:18,551 And with that, we'll look to the applicant and/or 1585 03:36:44,634 --> 03:36:48,078 Good evening, Mayor and members of council. My name is Michelle Diplock. 1586 03:36:48,303 --> 03:36:51,755 I am a registered professional planner. Working on behalf 1587 03:36:51,836 --> 03:36:55,348 of Farsight Homes. I am joined in the audience by both 1588 03:36:55,461 --> 03:36:58,941 Bob Shikinanz and Joe Vaccaro, um, and we are here today 1589 03:36:59,441 --> 03:37:03,345 to request approval of our minor official plan amendment in alignment with 1590 03:37:03,361 --> 03:37:04,749 planning staff's recommendation. 1591 03:37:07,531 --> 03:37:11,553 So we are here to discuss an official plan amendment, 1592 03:37:11,762 --> 03:37:15,382 uh, to the policy that limits the number of townhouse block or 1593 03:37:15,398 --> 03:37:18,359 townhouse units units on a block to 50 units. 1594 03:37:19,821 --> 03:37:22,552 We are requesting council approve this amendment. 1595 03:37:23,275 --> 03:37:26,423 As the intent of this policy is to ensure the good 1596 03:37:26,504 --> 03:37:30,456 urban design is part of the overall development application. 1597 03:37:31,468 --> 03:37:35,291 While this policy in your official plan currently limits the number of townhouse 1598 03:37:35,404 --> 03:37:39,404 units on a block, this policy has been exceeded through applications. 1599 03:37:39,982 --> 03:37:43,147 When the applicant can demonstrate a 1600 03:37:43,437 --> 03:37:47,091 good and thorough attention to detail and urban design for 1601 03:37:47,591 --> 03:37:51,245 the site. Um, part of the rationale for the amendment of this project is that 1602 03:37:51,358 --> 03:37:54,734 Farsight Homes does have a long history of developing 1603 03:37:54,847 --> 03:37:58,784 beautiful homes and neighborhoods with a strong attention and investment 1604 03:37:59,284 --> 03:38:02,884 in urban design. Um, and the foundation of the design for the Timber Trails 1605 03:38:02,981 --> 03:38:06,926 community is the municipality's own general architectural guidelines. 1606 03:38:08,672 --> 03:38:12,678 So what we're seeking from council today is the ability to build 1607 03:38:13,178 --> 03:38:16,031 out the 2011 community community design plan for the Timber, 1608 03:38:16,576 --> 03:38:20,617 Timber Trails subdivision, um, and builds on Clarington's vision 1609 03:38:21,066 --> 03:38:24,305 for design, not just for the Timber Trails community but for the whole 1610 03:38:24,433 --> 03:38:27,897 of Bowmanville. So this file does have 1611 03:38:28,397 --> 03:38:31,681 a long history. Um, in terms of what we're here for today, uh, we are 1612 03:38:31,729 --> 03:38:35,193 talking about the red block on the draft 1613 03:38:35,693 --> 03:38:39,570 approved subdivision. The site is currently zoned for 1614 03:38:40,070 --> 03:38:43,438 residential development and is designated for a residential development 1615 03:38:43,824 --> 03:38:47,680 in the official plan. We are seeking a policy amendment 1616 03:38:48,081 --> 03:38:51,150 to enable the development to 1617 03:38:51,650 --> 03:38:56,311 proceed in a way that is compatible with the surrounding neighborhood and 1618 03:38:56,668 --> 03:39:00,601 aligns with Bowmanville's housing needs. So in 1619 03:39:01,101 --> 03:39:04,259 terms of the site context, we are looking at— you can see on the slide 1620 03:39:05,258 --> 03:39:08,513 above that there is currently work on phase 1 1621 03:39:08,561 --> 03:39:12,369 of the project being done. We are talking about the block to 1622 03:39:12,401 --> 03:39:15,870 the south. There is work being done in that area 1623 03:39:16,370 --> 03:39:20,120 as well. But we are looking to get approval to amend the policy 1624 03:39:21,768 --> 03:39:26,294 as Phase 1 is under construction. So currently 1625 03:39:26,390 --> 03:39:29,830 the proposal includes a total of 182 townhouse units, 1626 03:39:30,489 --> 03:39:33,848 86 front lane townhouses, 84 back-to-back townhouses, 1627 03:39:34,025 --> 03:39:37,995 and 12 rear lane townhouses. Um, we are meeting all of 1628 03:39:38,027 --> 03:39:41,780 the other zoning requirements as it relates to parking space and visitor 1629 03:39:42,280 --> 03:39:45,468 parking spaces, as well as proposing a significant central 1630 03:39:45,484 --> 03:39:49,221 amenity space. Um, we are continuing to work with staff on 1631 03:39:49,317 --> 03:39:53,311 the finalization of the site plan. Um, this is one of the rare planning cases 1632 03:39:53,327 --> 03:39:57,240 where we've submitted a site plan application and an official plan amendment application, 1633 03:39:57,897 --> 03:40:01,410 um, and we are requiring council approval to proceed 1634 03:40:01,769 --> 03:40:04,906 with an official plan amendment as it relates to the urban design 1635 03:40:05,347 --> 03:40:05,854 of the site. 1636 03:40:09,758 --> 03:40:13,111 So in terms of the policy and regulatory 1637 03:40:13,127 --> 03:40:17,060 context, we do comply with all of the provincial legislation, 1638 03:40:17,495 --> 03:40:21,339 including the Planning Act and the Provincial Policy Statement. We align with the Durham 1639 03:40:21,371 --> 03:40:24,990 Region Official Plan as well as the municip— municipality of 1640 03:40:25,006 --> 03:40:29,241 Clarington's Official Plan. as the plan 1641 03:40:29,435 --> 03:40:32,678 before you supports a compact urban form and neighborhood 1642 03:40:33,178 --> 03:40:35,564 integration through urban design and sustainability. 1643 03:40:37,963 --> 03:40:41,692 The OPA is related to allowing a higher number of units on a single block, 1644 03:40:42,162 --> 03:40:44,934 um, and the intent of this policy, uh, 1645 03:40:45,340 --> 03:40:48,091 that we are amending is to ensure the urban design, uh, 1646 03:40:48,252 --> 03:40:52,207 context for the site, uh, matches with the vision for the 1647 03:40:52,707 --> 03:40:56,161 community. And so I wanted to just share a little bit about 1648 03:40:56,661 --> 03:41:00,554 the urban design context of what we're proposing, um, as it helps to 1649 03:41:00,586 --> 03:41:03,680 illustrate the type of development that we are intending to 1650 03:41:03,712 --> 03:41:07,142 build. Um, so the proposed development reflects a coordinated and 1651 03:41:07,642 --> 03:41:11,294 high-quality built form that is consistent with the established vision for the community 1652 03:41:11,952 --> 03:41:15,783 and the architectural design guidelines. The attention to 1653 03:41:15,815 --> 03:41:19,470 detail proposed in finishings is really about 1654 03:41:19,525 --> 03:41:22,762 proposing a— and creating a new neighborhood 1655 03:41:22,778 --> 03:41:25,674 character and building out the neighborhood for the community. 1656 03:41:26,666 --> 03:41:30,134 The built form incorporates variation in facade design, materials, 1657 03:41:30,248 --> 03:41:33,635 and architectural detailing to provide that visual interest and 1658 03:41:33,668 --> 03:41:37,589 avoid repetition while maintaining that cohesive neighborhood 1659 03:41:37,686 --> 03:41:41,089 character. Importantly, we did look 1660 03:41:41,589 --> 03:41:44,759 at other ways to accommodate this project without needing to seek approval 1661 03:41:44,776 --> 03:41:47,918 for an official plan amendment. But the resulting designs to break up 1662 03:41:48,158 --> 03:41:51,657 the block into multiple blocks would have made the site significantly 1663 03:41:51,673 --> 03:41:55,429 less functional. Um, so we are before you today in support of 1664 03:41:55,445 --> 03:41:58,976 the staff recommendation for approval of this OPA so that we 1665 03:41:59,476 --> 03:42:02,780 can proceed with a site plan that is functional and 1666 03:42:03,280 --> 03:42:06,696 in service of creating a complete and, 1667 03:42:07,563 --> 03:42:10,131 um, beautiful community for residents. 1668 03:42:14,363 --> 03:42:18,700 So to conclude, uh, the proposal does support 1669 03:42:19,200 --> 03:42:22,827 key strategic objectives found within the Clarington Official Plan and doesn't seek 1670 03:42:23,327 --> 03:42:27,712 to change anything about the existing land use designations or patterns envisioned 1671 03:42:28,212 --> 03:42:28,930 for the Timber Trails community. 1672 03:42:36,700 --> 03:42:40,743 Um, the zoning for the site already permit— permits this type of development. The official 1673 03:42:40,759 --> 03:42:44,511 plan encourages it. And this really is about implementing the vision 1674 03:42:44,623 --> 03:42:48,214 for the area in a way that enables good design and a livable 1675 03:42:48,714 --> 03:42:52,446 community. In summary, on the slide is just a summary of 1676 03:42:52,478 --> 03:42:56,005 what staff have recommended in terms of the overall proposal. 1677 03:42:56,566 --> 03:43:00,061 We do believe it introduces a more efficient low-density townhouse built form, 1678 03:43:00,814 --> 03:43:04,373 supports the housing pledge of 13,000 units by 2031. 1679 03:43:05,049 --> 03:43:07,432 And provides development at an appropriate scale, 1680 03:43:07,947 --> 03:43:11,972 um, height, and massing that is compatible with the surrounding residential 1681 03:43:12,472 --> 03:43:15,339 context and planned character for the Timber Trails community. 1682 03:43:18,034 --> 03:43:22,344 And so to conclude, we are supportive of the staff recommendation, 1683 03:43:22,941 --> 03:43:26,677 uh, that the official plan application submitted by us is 1684 03:43:27,177 --> 03:43:30,518 supported and the amendment in Attachment 1 is And 1685 03:43:31,064 --> 03:43:34,436 I'm happy to take any questions. Michelle, thank you 1686 03:43:34,452 --> 03:43:37,952 ever so much. We've got Councillor Rang. Yeah, thank you, 1687 03:43:37,968 --> 03:43:41,388 Chair. And through the chair to Michelle, thank you so much for the presentation. 1688 03:43:42,207 --> 03:43:45,370 Um, looking at it in, in toto, 1689 03:43:45,740 --> 03:43:49,930 uh, looking at this proposal together with the residential neighborhood 1690 03:43:50,430 --> 03:43:53,832 to the north, uh, and given the fact that this calls for increased density, 1691 03:43:54,250 --> 03:43:58,113 um, is, uh, retail space 1692 03:43:58,226 --> 03:44:01,377 something that is considered in, in a proposal of 1693 03:44:01,877 --> 03:44:05,554 this sort? Would that be something that the developer would potentially look 1694 03:44:06,054 --> 03:44:09,515 at? Through the 1695 03:44:10,015 --> 03:44:13,588 mayor to the councillor, at this time, resident— or sorry, commercial development is 1696 03:44:14,088 --> 03:44:17,942 not proposed. This is a townhouse site block, which typically does 1697 03:44:17,974 --> 03:44:21,134 not well accommodate 1698 03:44:21,763 --> 03:44:25,168 the type of kind of commercial mixed-use development. 1699 03:44:25,216 --> 03:44:28,389 And so at this time, we are just considering, uh, 1700 03:44:29,162 --> 03:44:31,836 residential development for the site as was envisioned. 1701 03:44:35,670 --> 03:44:38,866 Sorry, thank you. Um, yeah, no, and I say that because, 1702 03:44:39,205 --> 03:44:42,450 um, again, when we have, uh, when we have, um, 1703 03:44:43,338 --> 03:44:46,735 residential neighborhoods of this scale— I'm thinking particularly of Northland, 1704 03:44:46,997 --> 03:44:50,438 for example, um, You know, a community like Timber 1705 03:44:50,938 --> 03:44:55,946 Trails, I think, could benefit from having some adjacent 1706 03:44:56,122 --> 03:44:59,687 retail space or commercial space. So just with respect to, 1707 03:45:00,056 --> 03:45:04,103 you know, the overall plan, that's something that I would, I would suggest that the 1708 03:45:04,603 --> 03:45:08,358 developer and our planners look at as a possibility for the neighborhood. 1709 03:45:08,406 --> 03:45:11,135 Otherwise, it's a long way to the nearest corner store. 1710 03:45:11,457 --> 03:45:13,913 That is, is my only comment. Thank you. 1711 03:45:16,805 --> 03:45:19,716 Thank you, Councillor. I'll look to members of Council. 1712 03:45:22,818 --> 03:45:26,289 I don't see any further questions. Michelle, I'm going to ask you a, 1713 03:45:27,044 --> 03:45:30,145 a really unfair question because I'm pretty sure you don't have the answer, 1714 03:45:31,222 --> 03:45:34,751 and Mr. Schickendanz might. As, 1715 03:45:35,412 --> 03:45:37,815 as we're looking at development like this, 1716 03:45:39,138 --> 03:45:42,506 you know, one is is homes. Homes and communities are, are important. 1717 03:45:43,405 --> 03:45:46,873 Would you have any idea, boilerplate, on the number of jobs 1718 03:45:47,373 --> 03:45:50,550 that are being created? So, you know, I've said it 1719 03:45:51,050 --> 03:45:54,934 before, I'll say it again, you know, we need to get those 1720 03:45:54,966 --> 03:45:57,262 plumbers, electricians, carpenters, 1721 03:45:58,257 --> 03:46:02,015 you know, frame— we need to get all of those folks back working because it's 1722 03:46:02,515 --> 03:46:06,495 been exceptionally slow. Would you have any idea at all I 1723 03:46:06,688 --> 03:46:10,542 don't have the specific number, uh, for Farsight Homes 1724 03:46:11,042 --> 03:46:14,638 in this particular development, but I do know that, 1725 03:46:14,863 --> 03:46:18,300 um, the residential construction industry, even the planning industry, has been 1726 03:46:18,349 --> 03:46:21,995 significantly impacted by the, I guess, 1727 03:46:22,027 --> 03:46:26,026 slowdown in construction with some of the provincial announcements 1728 03:46:26,107 --> 03:46:29,624 as well as, um, federal announcements. We are starting 1729 03:46:29,656 --> 03:46:33,687 to see a lot more momentum and people kind of coming back to work. 1730 03:46:33,896 --> 03:46:37,894 Part of the reason we're here for you— before you today is 1731 03:46:38,151 --> 03:46:41,988 to be able to move this project forward, be able to get people working 1732 03:46:42,566 --> 03:46:45,039 on the site, building, framing houses. 1733 03:46:46,259 --> 03:46:49,487 And Bob may be able to give you a more fulsome answer, but I do 1734 03:46:49,987 --> 03:46:53,019 know— thank you. And I'm looking at boilerplate, just, 1735 03:46:53,260 --> 03:46:56,407 you know, general, because there, there are a lot of people who have not been 1736 03:46:56,907 --> 03:46:58,260 able to find work. Mr. Chikanez. 1737 03:47:00,162 --> 03:47:03,599 Thank you, Your Worship, and thank you for the question. If I may, 1738 03:47:03,680 --> 03:47:07,153 if it's not inappropriate to answer Councilor Rang's 1739 03:47:07,653 --> 03:47:11,510 question through you, our entire 1740 03:47:11,575 --> 03:47:15,302 site includes the lands fronting on Highway 1741 03:47:15,335 --> 03:47:19,432 2 and King Street as well. Currently, we have a 1742 03:47:19,528 --> 03:47:23,857 sales office there that's been there for some time. We'll continue 1743 03:47:24,357 --> 03:47:28,264 to use it. While we haven't engaged in specific 1744 03:47:28,985 --> 03:47:31,501 applications at this particular time, but I know, 1745 03:47:32,222 --> 03:47:36,228 I think previous, actually to this current staff, we've had discussions 1746 03:47:36,276 --> 03:47:39,545 with the municipality that that's ideally suited 1747 03:47:39,561 --> 03:47:41,708 for some form of commercial uses. 1748 03:47:42,878 --> 03:47:45,666 Certainly that we would be looking towards that. 1749 03:47:46,307 --> 03:47:50,061 Again, specifically, we haven't made applications, but but 1750 03:47:50,561 --> 03:47:53,654 we'd be looking to that. Now, to your question, Mayor Foster, 1751 03:47:54,706 --> 03:47:58,138 it's hard to pinpoint exactly how much 1752 03:47:58,412 --> 03:48:02,252 additional employment 1753 03:48:02,752 --> 03:48:07,008 we would be creating, but we're looking at this particular block 1754 03:48:07,105 --> 03:48:11,357 of land to create and augment 1755 03:48:11,518 --> 03:48:14,919 and support the offering of units that we have currently 1756 03:48:15,419 --> 03:48:19,323 available in our phase 1. We have a mixture of larger single families, 1757 03:48:20,700 --> 03:48:24,402 single detached units, smaller single detached units, some street 1758 03:48:24,450 --> 03:48:28,056 townhouses. But really, we're looking 1759 03:48:28,072 --> 03:48:31,055 at creating a range of product type in that community, 1760 03:48:31,561 --> 03:48:32,949 hence the townhouse block. 1761 03:48:34,956 --> 03:48:38,553 And it's important for us, we feel right now, 1762 03:48:38,747 --> 03:48:43,253 since there is perhaps a limited tax holiday on 1763 03:48:43,301 --> 03:48:46,676 new housing to, to move forward with this project. 1764 03:48:46,724 --> 03:48:50,548 We'd like to move forward expeditiously to have that to offer 1765 03:48:50,596 --> 03:48:54,742 people who want to live in this great community of Bowmanville-Clarington, 1766 03:48:55,321 --> 03:48:58,775 to offer that sooner than later. And hence, that's why we're in front 1767 03:48:59,275 --> 03:49:03,066 of you today. I will say that we're 1768 03:49:03,566 --> 03:49:06,713 not per se looking— it might be viewed as increasing 1769 03:49:06,745 --> 03:49:10,165 density and more units. We're really trying 1770 03:49:10,262 --> 03:49:13,889 to just, as Michelle mentioned, as a technical amendment, 1771 03:49:14,611 --> 03:49:17,949 the OP says shall generally not be more than 50. 1772 03:49:18,703 --> 03:49:21,928 I mean, one exercise would be to break it off, that block, 1773 03:49:22,057 --> 03:49:25,218 into smaller blocks and have it 1774 03:49:25,347 --> 03:49:28,797 not exceed that and we would be in conformity. 1775 03:49:29,375 --> 03:49:32,664 But you'd lose a lot of efficiency and create a lot more 1776 03:49:33,164 --> 03:49:36,212 cost, which translates to more expensive housing units. 1777 03:49:36,677 --> 03:49:39,889 So I hope in a roundabout way that— sorry, I can't be more 1778 03:49:40,389 --> 03:49:43,100 specific. So I would ask you, 1779 03:49:43,646 --> 03:49:46,873 and you're not the only folks that I've been 1780 03:49:47,373 --> 03:49:51,369 picking on with this, perhaps through Build, I would 1781 03:49:51,869 --> 03:49:55,656 expect that someone has to have boilerplate numbers for 1782 03:49:55,785 --> 03:49:58,241 the person hours, 1783 03:49:59,702 --> 03:50:02,930 you know, of work years that we could look— the, 1784 03:50:03,829 --> 03:50:07,313 the development industry employs 1785 03:50:07,490 --> 03:50:10,621 a massive number of individuals in this 1786 03:50:10,637 --> 03:50:13,832 province. And quite frankly, moving forward, 1787 03:50:14,651 --> 03:50:17,670 I think it would be interesting for us to understand, 1788 03:50:18,665 --> 03:50:21,636 you know, what— a lot of those jobs are local jobs. And, you know, 1789 03:50:21,700 --> 03:50:25,088 as I suggested, I, you know, a lot 1790 03:50:25,588 --> 03:50:28,676 of, a lot of folks that a few years ago were bringing home good paychecks 1791 03:50:29,599 --> 03:50:33,324 are simply not working today. So I 1792 03:50:33,501 --> 03:50:37,142 know you don't have the numbers, so I'll bug you at a later date, 1793 03:50:37,673 --> 03:50:40,830 remind you at a later date to see. So in this public forum, let me 1794 03:50:41,330 --> 03:50:43,769 make the commitment to you and members of council and staff, 1795 03:50:45,152 --> 03:50:49,185 let us go back and we'll provide that information to you to give 1796 03:50:49,685 --> 03:50:54,166 a framework to better understanding which certainly we 1797 03:50:54,666 --> 03:50:58,325 agree and wholeheartedly support that this industry does provide 1798 03:50:58,825 --> 03:51:02,323 a lot of economic stimulus, not only locally but 1799 03:51:02,823 --> 03:51:05,438 right across the province. And I, you know, I would think that that would be 1800 03:51:05,454 --> 03:51:09,484 of interest if those numbers come out, not just, not just to the 1801 03:51:09,725 --> 03:51:13,001 council in Clarington, but I, you know, I would think, 1802 03:51:14,205 --> 03:51:18,684 you know, councils everywhere looking at this to, to be able to to see again 1803 03:51:18,749 --> 03:51:22,544 some tangible benefits for folks. So thank you for that. That, you know, 1804 03:51:22,609 --> 03:51:24,853 a bit of a diversion, but thank you. 1805 03:51:25,844 --> 03:51:28,882 You're welcome. Alrighty, with that, I've got 6.3.1, 1806 03:51:32,870 --> 03:51:36,087 PDF-076-26. If I could get a mover and a seconder. Councillor Rang, 1807 03:51:36,199 --> 03:51:38,773 thank you. Councillor Anderson seconding that. 1808 03:51:39,577 --> 03:51:42,086 Questions or comments? Councillor Wu, go ahead. 1809 03:51:47,699 --> 03:51:50,525 Yes, through you to the Deputy CAO, 1810 03:51:51,135 --> 03:51:55,021 and in the report, Official Plan 1811 03:51:55,521 --> 03:51:57,735 Amendment Application 2.3, 1812 03:51:58,602 --> 03:52:01,990 if we look back in 2020, which was a different time, 1813 03:52:03,097 --> 03:52:07,272 Official Plan Policy 9.4.5 was identified 1814 03:52:07,288 --> 03:52:10,821 limits multi-unit developments with 1815 03:52:11,045 --> 03:52:14,947 a single block to 50 dwellings. And now 1816 03:52:16,039 --> 03:52:19,764 we have— how many bills have we had besides Bill 23 and all 1817 03:52:19,812 --> 03:52:24,308 of them? And it was mentioned in the pledge the 1818 03:52:24,808 --> 03:52:28,114 province would like to have 1.5 million homes by 2031. 1819 03:52:28,788 --> 03:52:32,401 Our pledge— when I say our pledge is 13,000. 1820 03:52:33,139 --> 03:52:35,162 So Uh, when I look here, 1821 03:52:35,467 --> 03:52:39,559 182 units, and it 1822 03:52:40,059 --> 03:52:43,684 is supported by 5.10 under, 1823 03:52:43,877 --> 03:52:46,268 uh, Clarington's Official Plan. 1824 03:52:46,846 --> 03:52:49,943 Staff have reviewed the applicable site development criteria and are 1825 03:52:50,008 --> 03:52:53,811 satisfied with the proposed increase in the residential 1826 03:52:53,827 --> 03:52:57,776 units from 50 to 182 is appropriate 1827 03:52:58,276 --> 03:53:04,068 for the subject site. Are we going to see more of these where pre-pandemic 1828 03:53:04,568 --> 03:53:08,096 or during the pandemic, now with the pledge that we 1829 03:53:08,596 --> 03:53:12,294 may have the development industry asking for more density. 1830 03:53:14,550 --> 03:53:18,657 So through the mayor, thank you for that question, because this is something that 1831 03:53:18,706 --> 03:53:22,231 we've had a lot of conversations as staff about. As council knows, 1832 03:53:22,345 --> 03:53:25,825 we've relaunched the official plan review process through the Official Plan 1833 03:53:25,874 --> 03:53:28,987 review, we're going to be looking at all of our policies. We need to integrate 1834 03:53:29,487 --> 03:53:33,048 Envision Durham and then come forward with a future plan for 1835 03:53:33,240 --> 03:53:36,547 all of Clarington. And through that, one of the things that 1836 03:53:37,047 --> 03:53:40,190 we need to look at is currency of policy. This is a 1837 03:53:40,238 --> 03:53:43,945 policy that I believe that we've had 3 or 4 variations 1838 03:53:44,010 --> 03:53:47,364 to it in the last year, because what we are seeing is the land 1839 03:53:47,864 --> 03:53:51,441 use topology has changed, density is getting higher. We are seeing 1840 03:53:51,698 --> 03:53:54,893 squeezing lots, making them a bit smaller, trying to find— as 1841 03:53:54,925 --> 03:53:58,698 we know, the development industry is trying to find a way to actually get people 1842 03:53:59,198 --> 03:54:02,070 buying homes. And the one of the ways to do that is to reduce the 1843 03:54:02,570 --> 03:54:06,116 cost in order to look at smaller land parcels. But of course, 1844 03:54:06,309 --> 03:54:09,777 it triggers other things that, as staff outlined in that staff report 1845 03:54:10,277 --> 03:54:13,117 that you just quoted, we need to make sure that there's still enough space in 1846 03:54:13,149 --> 03:54:16,553 those lots in order to deal with snow storage, softscape, 1847 03:54:16,826 --> 03:54:19,957 parking, all of the really critical pieces for land 1848 03:54:20,457 --> 03:54:23,827 use planning to make sure that our, our communities are not only efficient, but they 1849 03:54:24,327 --> 03:54:28,178 function. So this is a policy, yes, you're going to be 1850 03:54:28,678 --> 03:54:31,935 seeing this one coming back numerous times until we update our 1851 03:54:32,435 --> 03:54:36,078 official plan. One of the things that I believe we're going to be exploring through 1852 03:54:36,110 --> 03:54:40,172 the official plan review is looking at outcome-oriented policy 1853 03:54:40,205 --> 03:54:43,384 versus putting a sense, a line in the saying 50, 1854 03:54:43,560 --> 03:54:47,366 all of a sudden you're going through a $70,000 official plan amendment. I'd rather see 1855 03:54:47,866 --> 03:54:51,316 a framework brought forward that says here's the topology that we're looking for 1856 03:54:51,428 --> 03:54:55,298 across different types of built form, and if you meet within that, then through 1857 03:54:55,798 --> 03:54:58,910 development review guidelines, all of those pieces, that way we 1858 03:54:59,410 --> 03:55:02,700 set forth the recipe for success. And then we're not coming back all 1859 03:55:03,200 --> 03:55:06,602 of the time through development applications to look at an arbitrary line in 1860 03:55:07,102 --> 03:55:10,760 the sand that is 50. What What happens when you want 51 or 49? 1861 03:55:10,937 --> 03:55:14,389 And these are always a challenging piece. There isn't a perfect 1862 03:55:14,889 --> 03:55:18,451 answer to it, but I appreciate the question because it's something 1863 03:55:18,564 --> 03:55:22,498 that I know we need to look at. The provincial planning statement has come out 1864 03:55:22,998 --> 03:55:26,704 from the province. They repealed the growth plan. It has targets, it has framework. 1865 03:55:26,785 --> 03:55:30,108 It is driving at all costs an increased supply of housing. 1866 03:55:30,767 --> 03:55:35,015 And that is direction right down from the province, which is putting pressure on municipalities 1867 03:55:35,370 --> 03:55:38,662 in order to respond in kind. Okay, thank you for 1868 03:55:39,162 --> 03:55:42,896 that. Alrighty, do we have 1869 03:55:43,396 --> 03:55:46,881 anything further? I'm not 1870 03:55:46,946 --> 03:55:49,379 seeing any further questions or comments. 1871 03:55:51,309 --> 03:55:54,654 Um, to your staff, thank you for the, uh, the work on this one, 1872 03:55:54,735 --> 03:55:58,402 and it is good to see things, uh, coming to 1873 03:55:58,902 --> 03:56:02,819 conclusion. Conclusions, you know, actual progress, we hope. 1874 03:56:03,285 --> 03:56:07,206 And we hope you'll actually be able to sell that 1875 03:56:07,559 --> 03:56:11,335 between the tax holiday, the suggestion that the federal government and 1876 03:56:11,835 --> 03:56:15,352 province have on the reductions. We don't know 1877 03:56:15,852 --> 03:56:19,096 where that's going yet, but it would be good to see some activity in 1878 03:56:19,113 --> 03:56:22,599 the market again. So with that, I will call the question. 1879 03:56:22,664 --> 03:56:25,903 All in support? Opposed? And that 1880 03:56:26,017 --> 03:56:29,623 is carried. Thank you, thank you. So this 1881 03:56:29,818 --> 03:56:32,696 brings us down to the bylaws. 1882 03:56:33,248 --> 03:56:36,288 If I can get a mover and a seconder on the bylaws. 1883 03:56:36,760 --> 03:56:39,442 Councillor Woo, seconded by Councillor Rang. 1884 03:56:40,922 --> 03:56:42,938 Questions or comments on the bylaws? 1885 03:56:44,997 --> 03:56:48,488 Call the question. All in support? Opposed? 1886 03:56:49,582 --> 03:56:53,119 That is Carried. Apparently my time 1887 03:56:53,619 --> 03:56:57,637 is up. Come on, Councillor Rang, that was hilarious. 1888 03:57:02,102 --> 03:57:05,089 I will remember that you laughed in a good way. 1889 03:57:06,058 --> 03:57:07,447 I need a confirming bylaw. 1890 03:57:16,951 --> 03:57:20,495 So let's do the confirming bylaw and right before adjournment. How's that? 1891 03:57:21,425 --> 03:57:23,622 Okay, so you're moving the confirming bylaw, 1892 03:57:24,568 --> 03:57:27,407 seconded by Councillor Anderson. All in support? 1893 03:57:28,016 --> 03:57:31,240 Opposed? That is carried. Councillor Zwart. 1894 03:57:32,715 --> 03:57:36,259 Thank you, Chair, and you thanked all of us at the beginning of the meeting, 1895 03:57:36,404 --> 03:57:39,964 and I want to thank you for your strong leadership. 1896 03:57:40,092 --> 03:57:42,788 We, we got a lot done this this term, 1897 03:57:43,462 --> 03:57:46,850 not only down to you but the great staff 1898 03:57:47,350 --> 03:57:50,993 that we have in this room and in this building. We've made 1899 03:57:51,025 --> 03:57:54,317 great strides this term, and I really want to thank 1900 03:57:54,817 --> 03:57:58,315 you for your leadership and for the whole team here. It's been a, it's been 1901 03:57:58,815 --> 03:58:02,345 a good team. Thanks, Councillor. Thank you. But, you know, your point, 1902 03:58:02,746 --> 03:58:05,572 team, is, is I think the, 1903 03:58:06,038 --> 03:58:09,496 the most valid. You know, the last couple 1904 03:58:09,996 --> 03:58:13,906 of years working as closely and progressively with staff and 1905 03:58:14,406 --> 03:58:16,820 with council has been a true joy. But thank you for that. 1906 03:58:18,307 --> 03:58:21,348 I have one last motion. 1907 03:58:22,426 --> 03:58:26,095 Councillor Rang, I think it is only appropriate that you move the motion 1908 03:58:26,191 --> 03:58:29,417 to adjourn. Do I have a seconder? 1909 03:58:29,498 --> 03:58:32,902 Councillor Wu? We have a recorded vote on A 1910 03:58:32,936 --> 03:58:36,805 recorded vote. Well, yes we 1911 03:58:37,305 --> 03:58:40,792 can. You know, 1912 03:58:40,921 --> 03:58:45,082 she's a lot closer to me than you folks, and there 1913 03:58:45,212 --> 03:58:48,126 aren't any blunt instruments, so I'm safe. 1914 03:58:48,920 --> 03:58:53,709 Madam Clerk. 1915 03:58:55,408 --> 03:58:58,672 On the matter, since you want to draw this out, 1916 03:58:59,455 --> 03:59:02,976 of the recorded vote, moved by Councillor Rang, seconded by 1917 03:59:03,476 --> 03:59:05,039 Councillor Ruh. Beginning with Councillor Wu. 1918 03:59:07,812 --> 03:59:10,605 Yes. Councillor Dewart. Yes. 1919 03:59:12,012 --> 03:59:14,860 Councillor Anderson. Yes. Councillor Allagé. 1920 03:59:15,588 --> 03:59:18,902 Yes. Councillor Rang. Yes, 1921 03:59:19,128 --> 03:59:20,694 and thank you very much. Councillor Traill. 1922 03:59:22,681 --> 03:59:25,248 Yes, and thank you all. Mayor Foster. 1923 03:59:26,637 --> 03:59:29,948 Yes. That carries 7 to 0. So look at that, 1924 03:59:30,044 --> 03:59:33,981 the last vote of this term of council was 1925 03:59:34,481 --> 03:59:38,372 a unanimous decision. Way to go, guys. Thank you 1926 03:59:38,404 --> 03:59:41,142 all. And again, to staff, 1927 03:59:43,300 --> 03:59:46,684 you, you are awesome. You are outstanding. 1928 03:59:47,602 --> 03:59:49,388 It has been such a pleasure.