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what got me Mr as far as our
well I I I guess all if I had questions
... just I I have had a conversation with Mr
cells are so
so nothing I'll be mentioning will come as a surprise
so my first concern is ...
the bottom part of this new road ... I guess
I'm referring to
the bottom part of town line road
extension so there's a
there's going to be a high density housing right up
against the CPR relying so it'll be between
Townline road extension
we're goes east and west
and the CPR rail line I guess one of my
concerns that I expressed to Mr cells are was whether
that's an appropriate place really for housing ...
given its close proximity to not only the CP rail
line which is backing right on to but also for
one N. C. N.
reliance so
I'm trying to
anticipated issues around noise for that the ticket for that
particular block there so this is it's great immediately to
the west of the existing Ukrainian crazier so
we did discuss that and
I'm hi I'm just questioning whether that's a good place
to have housing
okay and are there any
questions or comments there I don't know if he's been
as far as our launch to respond
for you Mister chair can you hear me well
yes like we are working here okay thank you very
much yes there were out there as you can see
in the land use plan and we have created a
buffer of at least thirty meters ... green the space
between the tracks on the designation in addition our urban
design guidelines calls for buildings in medium density to be
closer to the road that means Townline road extension I'm
barking towards the back I spotted the development review process
we also require Norris's status and those most nicest eyes
will also determine additional separation from the tracks
thank you Mr
thank you for that there are there any further
yeah I have some more okay so my next concern
is
president Bill road
how is this how's it can impact not only this
part of crescent hill road but Preston hill road you
know north of that
north of blood work and as we approach is hiring
to do so no not only as a secondary plan
in motion but there's also the one we just approved
drugs not very long ago as well
all feeding into Europe this press
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which is too busy L. already small
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thank you Mister chair I will at the start and
I will defer back to Mister and miss Russia someplace
from engineering at I will mention that the facing of
development is going to be taken over many years it's
not going to all happen at the same time and
that the region has plans for the improvements on Bloor
street as well and that we do those improvements will
help to traffic in this area and I would refer
back to me said Richardson please
through the church accounts for nail as the developments come
online they will be required to do a traffic analysis
of the neighborhood and I'm
positive that person down highway two will probably be one
of the prominent intersections that will be reviewed as development
program progresses
what was up one of the studies ... that they
had to
I already do though I I there's a listing of
the studies or somewhere around
I would have thought that wouldn't
one of the key concerns would have been
craft hello
through the terror to tell certainly help you're correct they
do an overall transportation analysis which highlights the does a
projection of the volumes and highlights the improvements that would
be required it's a very high level and it needs
to be more focused as the development comes online it
doesn't go into detail about what triggers or anything like
that so that would be done that more for detail
design stage so the transportation impact assessment report didn't speak
to
a set of personnel worldcom
we're
I'm tired of this media error I'm sorry what but
through the chair to come sooner it would have been
analyzed as part as one of the prominent intersections but
at this time there's nothing been highlighted
but it like there's not enough information to do a
proper analysis on
I was talking about 14000
residences are believed residences or a population seven thousand which
I would think translated to
a couple thousand car trips up personal wrote alright in
addition to
what's occurring already so
I I just think I'm a very basic level it's
not really
what really prepared her well for her with the impact's
going to be up to the existing traffic networks on
little does not plan stand press the rules
many
through the chair to culture and they'll extend Preston well
road north of highway two hello two X. expand Preston
road numbers it's not gonna become for Lehner or four
lane road it's gonna remain as a two lane
2 lane road so I'm just trying to picture another
several thousand car trips a day coming up with not
only
this area but you know
do you up Curtis east
second requiring some
through the chair to councillor Neil the traffic impact analysis
that would be done for the secondary is what's to
it's a high level so it's a screen allowances it's
not really looking at the percentage of troops going north
or south I'm not looking at the official plan Preston
bell road is currently an arterial cells of the Townline
road extension so that may tend to that would allow
for the expansion of Preston bro and that would be
directly as a result of the traffic volumes at Preston
Vale road will start to see as the development comes
online so right now on the official plan it is
shown as an arterial road which would allow for more
than two lanes of traffic
but is there any serious consideration being given to expanding
it from
2 lanes to 4 lanes north of alert
so are you saying that's being considered
through the chair to California right now we have a
twenty three meter right away north of Bloor street
so there would be tough to get some property to
allow for that expansion
south of Bloor street the person bell road right away
is twenty six meters
so that would allow for a ten metre pavement so
that's two lanes with a center lane for turning movements
which improves the capacity of the road and then further
south down beyond the Townline road extension again it didn't
the category of the road goes up again which would
allow for further expansion of of the wind so that
would allow for more lane to traffic but at this
time there's nothing going there's no plans to widen Preston
trail north of Bloor
but then that would be that could be something that
would be determined through the traffic analysis for the developments
when they come on line then that would if that
if they dictate that that has to occur then that
would trigger the planning for that and how we're going
to make that work
this would be the time to be
I thought that was the whole point of a secondary
plan was
to deal with issues that you see coming up I
can't see how there would be a traffic impact across
the road I mean to me that's a given
... so when each individual subdivision comes up for consideration
the traffic impact study will say there's no impact from
from the subdivision right right that's that's always
what daily
they claim and ... so they'll just be like ...
it would be like salami and it just gets more
and more added in
... and each one will say well we're not responsible
for any particular impact on Preston road but so from
my standpoint we're we keep adding more
houses into an area is basically on the same ...
traffic set up it's had since I first moved into
the area
30 years ago and
not a whole lot of change right so
and I think it's gonna be an inadequate you
do you traffic volumes
so just while we're on the topic press bureau
it is talking about
possibly trying to get a
world one interchange of Pleasantville road I mean it's not
kind of pie in the sky type of thinking because
I mean we can get liberty street or ... sort
of error or
I mean even working on harmony road Harvey road intersection
for a lot of years so now we're gonna
we just talked with Lanzarote never gonna added crossing the
road I I just can't see the problem Sir
putting an interchanging press bureau wrote
anybody want to comment
rings Richard Serra is that you
through the chair I can I think the best situation
that we can do is planned for the future so
we know that there are issues that harmony road we
know that there are issues that Kurdish there's going to
be issues in the future it Curtis with
love capacity so this is a plan that would alleviate
that sort of the way that we would go through
as we would make the case and then we would
do the EA and then that we would move forward
to the MTO
well I just I just don't see that as being
realistic in that instance talking about closing off Chris no
road actually closing it off ...
so is that is the thinking that Townline road
extensional Townline road
east and west which
then compensate for the closure of of that the personnel
road at the railroad tracks
through the chairs to councillor Neil I think the reports
for that the background reports for that justification are in
progress so we've brought up our concerns to Metrolinx and
with about the closure person bell wrote and also the
we do not want to
look we do not want to prevent in the future
that that inter inter change what happened so those are
two things that we're trying to coordinate with both MTO
and Metrolinx
so to to Mr cells are or whoever so
paying for the extension of for example Townline road
and fanning who pays for that
well by the developers
at three you Mister chair through consular near my understanding
is that is the extension of timeline is development driven
and that is the cost of the developers pay based
on certain levels of service I'm the most surprised it
would pay a component of that level of service and
miss Richardson will expand on that okay please
through the chair to councillor Neil V. developer will be
responsible for building the Townline road extension through the development
charge study the municipality would be required to upgrade the
service from the local wrote to the collector or arterial
so the municipality would pay for for example the extra
pavement with
but nothing nothing no other components of the road
okay
so the next thing I want I want to bring
up is the trail that sort of
I would think that would be something that's kind of
an intricate role to this whole plan is
the Norse of trail and I see this is planned
for the
east side of Robinson creek
and there's a section a brief section talks about it
but I I don't see that as a realistic plan
especially given that it shows
the trail somehow crossing the railroad tracks ... the CPR
line
just north of current baseline road in Ennis court I
mean how exactly would that
crossing happened I mean there's only a pipe that creep
at that point it's only it's only a pipe that
goes through under the railroad tracks I guess it
tunnel or that you could
I have a some sort of pedestrian network bike access
under threat you know under
read your something like that so I was actively use
a trail going to cross this the railroad tracks
and they slide road and and someone so
I threw the chair Ted to councillor Neil at there
the important things that to look at these other trails
mop into second that if Kanye did decide to stay
at the station is a conceptual map at Wyndham's the
polity is going to that work at they will look
at the detailed engineering design in terms of a sloppy
stability or any other environmental report an inmate well I'll
be on the west side of the creek at this
time at this time he said yes the conceptual on
the map it could have been on the website but
it it then there was a buy that will do
the necessary stuff I send a manned up on the
east side of the creek but that we're not that
stage yet
what I mean
how how what what is the plan for getting past
the railroad tracks to me is going to have to
somehow find its way over to either
no question bill rolled over the pending on what happens
with that I guess or another
it's gonna have to find its way underneath the
tracks were goal you know further east along some thoroughfare
which then would you know get to Curtis road and
then go south
Curtis wrote but I thought the whole idea was we
wanted to have
this trail will connect with somehow ultimately with the waterfront
Truong and where you can go sort of down to
... basically lake without you know what happened across railroad
tracks obviously still
I I just thought that something or
whoever put this trail on this particular map that I'm
looking at page thirty eight it's just a summer just
draw a dotted line without any thought about how you're
actually going to by Pat get by the river tracks
that were based line road or
I mean it it or the start of it you
know ... blue street you can you can you can
safely
get up and down on Bloor street ... ... access
Bloor street so
I got a lot I I guess I'm some just
drip drip ... dross and dotted lines here and ...
you know hasn't been much
planning guide to this particular part of it which to
me is the key thing here and
... you know I've talked sometimes about having a multi
use path
north and Sophie ... I don't see that happening on
certainly on this where this trip was ...
transitioned on page 38
in response
okay three of Mister chair to consular near a there
the comments that you made about the connectivity of the
different trials in court this is particularly in South Korea
it's a good one we are looking at that connectivity
because as you are aware we have three secondary plans
underway we complete the southeast corky's we are competing today
southwest court case that we get approval and then we
have to court this waterfront and energy park component in
addition to the major transit transportation area they make a
trusted transportation area focuses allowed on trails walkability to the
station and we're looking at how we are connected all
these components of south court case in a comprehensive way
thank you
okay
Evan graver console if I wanted to see this this
traffic plan with that is that something I could look
at
the year of
I was referred to in a sense the traffic
Sir what is referred to as the transportation impact assessment
report
but some I could see a yes that all dead
to you Mister chair all the technical reports are available
upon request I would gladly will send you a copy
and to the other members of council as well
okay thank you
so I guess to sum up the concerns I have
are proximity of residential lands to grow
railroad tracks I can't think of any other place in
the misspelled and we're
we're gonna have homes backing right on to
not one realignment to rail lines as well as the
four one
if you look at
again page 38 so
perhaps this would be more suitable for employment lands but
the page 38 it just it really illustrates
the ... issue that has been created there've got concerns
about
Westerville road
and like I said I don't I don't see the
trails
having been well sort of
she well planned here that's also and I I thought
that was one of the key things that
one of the key components for this full
again I've heard about it quite a bit over the
last number of years ...
so thank you
bank accounts on the concert grounds
concert Jones you may be muted yeah
yes I was having knee problems are thank you ...
I agree with a lot of the concerns that cancer
Neil has brought up they were on my list as
well ...
I guess I a couple other questions it on some
of the things that he did touch on the ...
the special studies is study area for the four oh
one interchange ... kind of alluded to that but like
how many years in advance and I know you don't
always know exactly but like how far into the future
are we talking about just because I think with that
many more homes going in there and there will be
a lot more traffic and ... like you stated yourself
that on there already that you know Curtis road has
got some issues and harmony has a ton of issues
and ... so how far in the future with that
beat because that really will I I really am concerned
about Preston road as well that there's already ... a
lot of traffic on there and this is going to
put even more so and and what kind of pressure
would we be able to put on to Metrolinx the
provincial government to to look at this not you know
in the next fifty years like we're gonna need that
fairly soon I'm just wondering if you could comment ...
Mr sells our miss Richardson on what the experts approximate
timeline could be
three researchers to consider gents have they I I couldn't
speak about the MTO plants but what I can tell
you is that Clinton has been experiencing rapid growth and
we continue to do that the projections are that of
the population is going to increase increase substantially in Clarington
island we had initiated the fees up front of you
with those projections that will give us an opportunity an
off good foundation to talk to empty all on engagement
rings about the needs of the transportation improvements and can't
and I guess that goes hand in hand I am
with this is a regional thing but also with ...
... region transit that I would hope that we would
have some there was really no I didn't maybe I
missed it but I didn't see what much discussion around
public transportation at all and that's absolutely something that's going
to be really really important going forward as well it's
already an issue right now and and we absolutely need
done
more buses and and public transportation ... which leads into
my next question around ... the bike lanes so it
said that the collector roads would all have bike lanes
on them so we did have that
age so I guess that was
for
I believe it's on in like fanning
not sure if it was also town line cord Vincent
... so anyways the bike lanes that are mentioned in
this will they'd be like the full official bike lanes
or will they be similar to what president bell has
now which are the urban shoulders ... because I think
it is really important from day one that we show
how important active transportation is in this area and all
over Curtis the specifically in this area so that really
does meet the speaks to the importance of you know
what counts or Neil was saying about the trails the
bike lanes the multi use paths the ... the traffic
flow all of it is just so important to make
it a walkable community and just wanted to confirm around
that the White Plains was or someone I could speak
to that
thanks
through the chair to counselor drawings yes for collector roads
we will be planning for on road bike lanes and
they will be the designated with required by the talk
book eighteen is what we refer to and then ideally
for arterial roads so we're going to the higher order
roads we would want to plan for a multi use
path so that would take the cyclists off the road
and moving forward that's how we're going to be planning
for our active transportation
Freston they'll road is that
I think that was bike lanes wasn't
is that correct Feb through north of Bloor they have
the urban shoulders that you referenced yeah and then south
of Bloor we have bike lanes they are they're marked
as bike lanes and that will be continued throughout the
rest of personnel down south to baseline
okay yeah because right now that they don't go all
the way down there is there was quite a bit
of cycling traffic on ... personnel so
okay I just wanted to confirm that that
I did want to see like full bike lanes and
other urban shoulders ... what about linkages to the waterfront
trail was there any kind of ... plan to it
obviously the waterfront trails not quite in this ... secondary
plan but it's how I believe most people would get
down there especially if there's bike lanes on Preston bell
so is there any kind of discussion around how you
would get over under the four oh one does the
rail lines and how this could be a potential links
to the waterfront trail or maybe that's that the trail
that's along the Robinson creek ... basically I want to
make sure that there is a safe way that people
living in says Chris are going to be able to
access the waterfront trail
if someone could comment on how where that linkage might
be
and if there's a plan for it thank you
three you Mister chair to consider Johns at yes we
are exploring all those options as part of the M.
T. SA de major transportation area or to simply Milan
secondary plan together with the quarters waterfront and the energy
park second body plants the idea is that we need
to link all the serious weight that walkability the trials
is a key component of that as well as transit
because of the jobs and they're at the go train
station
thank you
anything for the concert grounds those are my main concerns
that I just really want to stress the importance of
the walkability in the community and and the active transportation
part of it that ... there's gonna be a lot
of people living in this area and I would really
like to see it from day one that we are
planning to you know cut back on the number of
cars that we have and if there's people that are
going to be moving here from Toronto they're used to
having you know one car ... no cars and I
think that this is a great opportunity for us to
to build this originally and to be able to cut
back on some of that the traffic and the cars
that are there certainly we all have enough parking issues
and going forward if we could prevent some of those
issues it would be great and just make a healthier
lifestyle for everyone so thank you very much and thank
you to all the work that was put into this
and it looks encouraging so thank you very much
thank you because the drones anything further from members of
problems
their plans to go ahead please
thank you Mister chair I'm sorry follow up with
these questions are answered Jones Mister Salazar Mister Salazar so
we we are seeing a greater vision of getting access
to people in current US access to the lake thank
you say that you know when you're reviewing the south
side of those linkages will counter are the interesting
correct for you Mister chair to to make a foster
and I remembered that one of the strategic priorities of
counsel is district as their quarters waterfront as part of
the court is water from we are planning for and
medium density residential together with a community park I need
to complement that with their job opportunities so they'll be
Jacob quarters and they are they are on the outside
of court to set the energy park you have lots
of people working and living south of the tracks now
we have the go station north of the tracks and
amenities north of the tracks and we have right now
with that as part of the planning process is how
do we connect them symptoms a walkability night yes taking
the car keys how do we move people on and
tries Dan trails sidewalks and everything to connect to the
official going station and not only from the south of
course this to it going station but also from highway
to anchor to store the guy stationed you know we
have the court to set down center being developed right
now how do we move jobs and people are also
in terms of walkability trails and bicycle lanes and everything
got worse the go station
thank you and and I mean it is important particularly
cancer Neil's talking about the we pass if you can
imagine the ability ... was someone in your family can
jump on a trail and ride their bikes standing like
specially if there occurs at because I've got a giant
group for anyone that is written there by thinking cancel
grass
that's right I guess that's the year of the year
alright beach
you're right up the hill so but I would not
want to lose sight
cytoplasmic US level what I watch I'm interested in looking
at section one point three the financial analysis ... on
Max we've always said that rose does not grow Mister
Salazar my reading correctly that would end up with a
strong possum all three hundred thousand dollars
to you Mister chair that's my understanding that said their
fiscal impact analysis was prepared by our finance department and
they did an analysis of some of the capital requirements
and their revenue that would come to the municipality in
time soft on my taxes and as well as the
search to see development and that's the conclusion that the
right fact
S. Easter can stand ups all asking China
she
good evening through through the chair if I may
how about I'll take that take that is that okay
the third this year if I if I may ...
foster there there's a lot of assumptions that are made
... when we're doing the fiscal impact analysis I would
not necessarily say that you know we're guaranteed to ...
to see that to the dollar the one thing that
I would actually sees that that's actually a contribution to
the other assets and the ability to find some of
the other programs that the growth will pay for so
what's not included in the analysis is the asset management
plan for the remaining assets of the municipality which any
growth any resident would have access to so that is
a contribution there ... I think when we were trying
to determine
the fiscal impact for the secondary plans our main concern
was that the net number would at least be positive
so those those funds are actually ... in essence a
contribution to the asset management planner could be considered as
a contribution the asset management plan there's also as this
is at this point estimate ... there is some of
the hedging ... ... in some of the conservative mess
up the assumptions
right thank you
yeah Mister Salazar were looking at the contribution towards affordable
housing so that was great advancements in Maryland
I don't see anything linking us with ... with numbers
on either one of these plans
so if you don't measure it started talent you know
whether whether your whether you're winning or losing
correct me said through you Mister chair to consular attendant
to me to foster there we have estimated Lombard of
about one thousand units that and the contribution towards affordable
housing is around four hundred thousand dollars from the London
is gripped
okay but what we are yeah I mean well there
are some incentives it here we don't have targets for
the number of units
being built into either one of these secondary ones right
hi
through the sure to to make your foster what did
we have to offer at the stat that the landowners
groups and the developers have two choices one is to
give us land or provide a cash contribution in cash
at the conclusion in cash because being the favorite to
have by the landowners groups that we already have a
commitment of about two million dollars for southeast Courtice these
give us about a four hundred thousand dollars more add
the brook hill that you're going to consider later tonight
is about seven hundred and sixty thousand dollars that's about
three point two million dollar stores affordable housing is still
a someone's apology this is new to us I admit
that and we need to write a report to councillors
to how these housing fund will be managed and developed
by by council demands about
okay thank you and work work training at slightly different
paths ... yes so so thank you guys report we
got lands and beach cash
but I'm wondering how we start building in some part
numbers in terms of the nature of knowledge that is
required Mr Shearer Hey Steve got your end up selling
low if you want to your lawyer and then a
perfect
all right
what was this war
number of number of questions
right here
well maybe we
at that sentence just hours are
one year how many units do we didn't bring on
so well between us ... in working order five thousand
so if you had to look into a crystal ball
given everything that's on the bill now
when would you expect
for you Mister chair doesn't really good question and tap
forty since Clinton last year to independent media we had
a we had about a thousand units that was one
of the highest numbers that we have had a number
of years and we are going to cover time so
what exactly we don't know how cold it is affecting
data the real estate marketing trying to we know that
we sell a high demand as you in all houses
are selling faster I was suggested this base continues and
trying to continue investment in what makes the quality of
life grating clientele I would I would say that we
didn't one thousand to fifteen hundred units may be built
over the next few years in and you will see
it build out in about seven years for this to
send for their second at a plant
five to seven years ... thank you there is ...
speak to this each
there is no way of love low carb zero Carmen
balance yeah as we as we move forward where have
you see that being
so we have that group ... might need they're all
university students speaking to well beyond cold
do you Mister chair one of some of the policies
that we have in that secondary blasts and this has
been a priority of counseling has been sustainability in building
design that will be promoted as part of our role
in the development application process also divisions need to provide
a sustainability plan to the municipality and we are going
to be and collision damage I'm persuaded them to go
beyond building called on beyond the standards of sustainability of
today's been caught well right thank you Mr chair thank
you I'll stop there
what was your summer is already gotten stagnant number but
a lot more money well that's where the huge amount
of work on this thank you thank you Mr
thank you
Mister mayor art concerts aren't granted please
thank you then on the theme of beyond code ...
well we can't divorce ... force developers to install sprinklers
in the new building is there a way that we
can convey that there is an expectation that sprinklers be
installed at the time of construction
counselors
yes did I'm not sure if it's probably planning question
our
maybe not who wants a playground Carl Mister Salazar
does that really well good question I don't have an
answer for you what I could say that if council
says that's an expectation that expectation would be presented to
the development industry as going beyond building codes Mister prince
your Hondas ...
oh sorry
Mr Arlington
thank you or I can slander sent the that's a
difficult question to answer I think that ... that legislatively
... the municipality through the chief building official has the
ability to require compliance with the theater building codes if
it isn't a requirement ... then it's it's a difficult
thing to impose on the development community that's not to
say we couldn't explore the possibility for questioning it ...
we have done things like that in the past with
some of our initiatives to have sustainable development ... we've
we've asked for the drunk manage work with us to
accept certain requirements to go beyond the building code ...
so that's a conversation that can take place but at
the risk of Gaucher oversimplifying it don't think we can
impose it but it's certainly something we hope we can
have discussions with the development community about and I know
that there are discussions that are ongoing now with ...
fire service professionals and ... chief building official across the
province to look at making that a requirement to go
into the entire building we got to this point times
the ... the province has seen has not seen fit
to make that a requirement I hope that helps counselors
were
yeah I know I know I know we can impose
it but if we don't ask you know probably won't
get anywhere with that either so I you know if
we could strongly encourage them to rank and include them
in the new build then I think that would go
a long way to making the the building safer thank
you
thank you because that's what councillor who are
thank you Mister chair ... my question basically sort of
centers around like quick kills the local representation ... recorded
percent regionally in regards to ...
moving up traffic movement of people and I
I guess I would just maybe to Mister Salazar maybe
... this Richardson to ... how long how long is
this ... builder of twenty nine hundred seventy seven hundred
residents what is the time frame that we're looking at
in regards to doing this ... build up
at three you Mister chair I would expect five to
seven years
and hopefully are the co trainer Curtis will be there
by then and ... because I I like the I
like the other councillors have have great concerns about you
know and we don't want to be like what we've
got on a liberty street and ... ... you know
the traffic situation we have there ... we don't have
a an appropriate ... and I I agree with that
we're with the conversation that's been had in regards to
army wrote that's that's the only intersection and Curtis real
people not go past the residence to go to their
house that they live in ... on town line in
that vicinity so I'm I'm just trying to figure out
you know at some point is going to have to
be some really ... a lot of fun gun and
going into you know how we're going to move the
people from point a to point B. I. E. ...
therefore it for eighteen four seven ... the go train
... I just have some big concerns about that and
... you know and and I agree with that but
the fact about the that the getting people to the
lake shore there there's a there's a ... untouched gem
that hasn't really been you know we can connect through
their people can take their bikes riding dos well whatever
... and ... I sympathize with what was the comments
that were made in regards to ... someone should just
get on a bike and try to come up Curtis
wrote angle longer street
I'll just leave it there thank you
bank your constable for our concern here are you are
asking for a second time around yes
on semiconductor lad concert Jones questions or comments are in
favor
yes yeah yes mmhm are any of those
they're being non go ahead Sir
so Mr I'm gonna move the the spree referred back
to staff for staff to clearly articulate
where is the ... trail and connections to the waterfront
will actually be
for for pedestrian and bicycle
second the concert grounds
well yes
yeah can I get the speaker Mr church so it
can be this is a a big part of this
and
you know what I I guess I try to point
out we're
I think there needs ... what's been done to date
really isn't
a good answer so I'm just imagining if I'm
hi there in this area or just to the north
of it and I want to get to the
waterfront trail
from
you know and not get on a road like cancer
Hooper said where this weather's baseline road or
or wherever that's going to eat ... even oppressed bill's
going to get cut off and where is that all
going to happen so I don't think it's asking a
lot it's just a sort of laid out in
with some thought to it and
what what thanks
given what what's the future road network is gonna look
like as well
thank you for calling service to our ears
speed control under 5
yes I am so thank you ... I thought I
heard staff say it's premature at this time to nail
all that down and and it will be it will
be all hammered out in the fullness of time M.
am I correct
this document the file as well I believe he's the
person that spoke to an earlier
hello good for you Mister chair at the council sorts
is correct because we are now in the middle of
preparing data working on day gorgeous waterfront energy park water
from plants thank you
thank you I I'm prepared to wait or ... yep
what the findings further down the road on this thank
you
thank you their foster
yeah I think I was gonna ask you exactly the
same question and
... for Mister us cells are but it's coming that
is why I will not be sporting girl
consular Jones
thank you I'm just a question ... inducted Mr cells
are so if you are currently working on the card
is waterfront suede
did they not go hand in hand together where it
would make sense that you know a little bit more
you know neat there in regards to the trails and
the connections would make sense if you're working on the
Curtis waterfront as well because
they make sense to work together on it I I'm
sure that you do want to get this approved today
but at the same time like this is such an
important part and it would it would be helpful to
see a few more details ... on this especially since
you said that you're you're working on the Curtis waterfront
right now and they are they're very closely related to
just wonder if you have any comments on that thanks
through the church to counselor Johns there if you look
at the geography and we are are we are all
familiar with the geography of South Korea tees southwest is
like a separate area geographically from the court is waterfront
and ten dead currently the only link that you have
there is a long court just wrote about what we're
trying to do with the court as waterfront and the
energy part is how do we make that connection I'm
out or other connections at this time I have for
their courses were different than the energy per secondary plan
we had at the station of looking at the technical
reports what do they mean by technical reports we are
looking at what are the environmental constraints to traffic constraints
dax's constraints we had a nice dish we had six
months away from percent in detail that conceptual drawings to
the community and to comes
thank you
concert at all it would add there is just I
really do think that the ... if we're gonna make
this a walkable community and we need to do that
that I think it is really important to have some
more details a run around those connectors in there and
and I think it's important to remember too it's not
just how we going to get to the waterfront by
walking or riding their bikes as and I think a
lot of people think of that as you know an
outdoor weekend activity and entertainment but I think it's also
important the trails are so important because it shows us
how we are going to get around Curtis ... to
get to work to get to run errands and
we need to be able to do that without using
our cars and that's why I do appreciate cancer Neil
bringing this forward diet I think we just need a
little bit more detail their diet we can feel rest
assured that this will be a very walkable community and
night there are all those connector trails will be there
so if I want to run my errands and go
to the grocery store I'm gonna be able walk there
and I'm not necessarily going to have to take a
road to get there and then it will be easier
and for that so that our brains and start thinking
I can ride my bike there go and get you
know my fruit today instead of I am a pop
in the car and drive over there so I just
think that it's really really integral to the secondary plan
and all of Curtis thanks
our
the files are that you're a hundred up by your
would you like to respond to that at eight yes
if I may Mister chair death to consular Johns island
effect we share and mop with you is the map
of trails that we currently have on the Carrington official
plan that shows possible links between north and south of
the four to one to the court is what the
front measure that tennis
so that will give you a better understanding of the
plans based on the Carrington official plan and the linkages
of districts
right prone to strut around the restaurant is that
our
going from their their Hondas are still yeah I want
to speak to again
okay
so
section 7.4 of
what we're being asked to vote on today's speech says
all development shall provide for the implementation of a trail
network in accordance with the conceptual
location of trails identified as key pedestrian connections on schedule
sees so so what I'm saying is when you go
to schedule sees a concept of a trail going across
the railroad tracks so clearly I don't know who wrote
who drew this but ... there was no
consideration given to the fact that there's that's impossible so
all I was suggesting was
come up with a proper
plan that's reference I mean this is referenced in the
actual facts of the
what we're voting on which in fact shows how this
is all gonna come to pass where we we do
have a connection
copper connection to ... to get to the waterfront it
also shows it's going under under baseline road or over
baseline road I'm not sure but ... that's not a
safe and passable ... proposition nor is it a safe
one ... going out across the blue street ... for
that matter from the north part so it's not it's
just saying
come up with some better plans than that if we're
if you're asked to vote on support and that's also
recorded okay
our car
Mr flowers that you we all wanted to strong happened
right the
solidbody hundreds throughout
so would you like me to show them up now
Mr yes what
okay
so can you but could you see them the map
I have in the screen is yes this is mark
K. of their client an official plan it shows the
trails that are being proposed a conceptual crowds throughout the
municipality I hear you have the court is waterfront trail
the bottom in blue on the possible link is linkages
from carcasses from highway to down to the court as
waterfront as you can see those are the two main
linkages that are being proposed there
and right now those two linkages are outside the southwest
Courtice secondary plan area with the exception of this one
here that is there is there the Robinson creek trail
so it's just to show you that that the planning
for this connectivity to the court as waterfront from the
urban areas to the waterfront are how boldly taking place
as part of the client and office account and he's
part of that that the planned US map K.
thank you researcher
thank you very much because the drones your Honda birth
second time around
nope just for that stick it down sorry
so but I guess since I have the opportunity there
so that
that was the it is very difficult to see on
the screen very small
so the want though one red trail at the far
left street part of the screen that is the Robinson
creek trail that we're talking about so that trail will
connect to the waterfront trip
is that correct or was it more Curtis road
Mr fathers are
Alamy didn't bring it up back again please I'm sorry
no that's okay it comes a very small
on my screen
let me increase the tier 2
that's that's better all right okay
so yes there thus the conceptual one that was there
any could beyond a good photo one obviously and as
you can see here the all of this area is
part of the court to some plumbing lines goal station
secondary plan and this is the law the area of
Dan and what courses waterfront and the energy products secondary
plans so this one would be one of the many
links now that we have the station there will be
minor troubles connecting to bring people to the court as
waterfront
and their municipal park the court is going to surprise
would be located right here
yes so my question was more around the the Robinson
creek one yes it's the one that is on and
in the secondary plan and so I think that's just
part of my concern is that we are going to
have that linkage to the waterfront trail there and I
think just showing a little bit more detail on all
the trails and how they will be able to connect
to like I said the getting your errands and and
moving about in southwest Curtis so that we can cut
down on the number of cars that we have
anyways I think that's what I would like to see
thank you
our
councillor near are you are asking for second time around
well I I I want to ask a question arising
out of that one
that's a secular I guess there was second in command
one thing
concert Jones second row had once in the morning our
call okay that's going on all in favor
yes
yes yes
yes yeah
there are a near post
I have been hearing either they're being non star had
constant
well I I wanna Mister cells are to put that
back up
news
so I guess my point is
I I can't control the screen but if it if
there's like a
a on the left hand side there's a there's a
trail coming out of the middle of this area
which supposed to join up I guess with the Robinson
creek trail but if you follow that so if you
can't it shows a crossing the railroad tracks which you
can't do I mean if physically
can happen right so is obviously not going to connect
anywhere south of the railroad tracks soon the essence of
this motion is saying please tell us how you're gonna
get
from the middle of this area by trail
perhaps over to the Curtis road trail and then south
from there that's all that's what that's what this motion
is asking so is it gonna be by another trail
is going to be by some multi use path what
what is it gonna go along the road to future
road or one of these roads it's being extended over
to there but just illustrate that because the way it's
currently configured it can't happen so that's all
thank you
thank you any further questions or comments they're being non
show we're gonna Yasser recorded bold on the referral and
that would be with the exception sure are not a
recommendation number nine
that's correct go ahead
the card whenever you're ready thank you Jack and is
on the motion made by council now second accounts the
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Terence
yes merchants lost 33
this chart ... so just to sum up right I
don't think this is a good planning document quite frankly
I think it needs a lot of ...
in all things I think should even further
further along in the planning process again this is supposed
to be third detail it's not official plan and ...
and that's not so I I voiced my concern with
respect to trail aspect to this but with respect to
the traffic again I don't I think we're
we're just getting more more units on the ground with
a really ...
coming to grips with
the issues around Preston Vale road is just going to
continue to build up more and more ... traffic on
that particular road which is not built to accommodate and
... and I did have some concerns about the proximity
of a lot of
residential units to wrap you know what
2 rail lines in the 41
I'm just the one time I walked just north of
the island well actually it's a fair amount north of
that and the traffic from the for ... the noise
in the four one can be quite overwhelming at times
I'm trying to picture how that's all going to work
with ...
you know with these houses really close to both reliance
as well so you know I've perhaps
we'll be better left employment lands that the input it
seems to be just get get more units on the
ground and locals worry about everything later run I don't
support that so I I thought this was
all supposed to be part of you know
planning where you you didn't have the constraints of of
having ...
you know the rush to get a plan of subdivision
done that yours we're supposed to take our time and
with a good long term plan I just don't see
that happening in this one so I'm not sure why
I'm doctor
thank you
recorded vote
which one can throw
so the board is run everything except with the exception
of
recommendation number 9
under recorded for guys cards for
any man foster son
well thank you Mr sharing things my motion so I
guess why not
I'm not lying right I believe that we are three
years last month at that so the staff of been
added address but as with the
the program will be dealing with that later on but
... a lot of a lot of work has gone
into this a lot of public engagement we're gonna wanted
while a lot of things happening
thank you structure
Frank you're any body I'm not really worrying about that
whenever you're ready Sir
thank you Mister chair and it is a mercenary but
man forced to suck my counselor reporter it is on
screen for you now ... minus recommendation on which we'll
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Johnson Johnson
nope
and I should just point out that the accounts to
trail
is still absent accounts that you're innocent
yes
our motion is carried forward to
constantly on recommendation number and 9
so I was gonna move that the
compensation to Claritin B. inequivalent amount of your lands
from the developers
S. recommender freelance
because the drones is second in that land our questions
are how many
I just want to speak would reconsider so go ahead
so the misspelled a is for her to close this
road allowance and I I did ask
stop in the area involved here but it's fairly large
piece of land and my concern is that we're not
going to get sort of fair value for it ...
and I think the only way we will just we
actually get sort of an in kind
transferred back from the developers four other extra park land
were perhaps could be a multi use trail ... so
I think the reasons advanced by the developers really don't
make sense because
there were a
you know like all all I'm saying is
as to what I see there's two separate developers involved
here
... so each could just simply contribute an equal amount
of land in a and are either in the form
of a park or something but for us to get
on a sort of a normal amount of money for
this area of land I just think this is not
the way to go in and my concern is that
seems like when we sell land we don't get near
enough is what we should do for it and then
we buy land we're always paying the highest possible price
so I I'm just looking for a way to guarantee
that they misspelled it gets
sort of an equivalent amount of land back from the
dust that's all and they certainly are welcome to
builder plans around ... taking over the open road allowance
but
until this transfer something to install units ... which ...
requirement you know really a request on value it's all
next court vote
thank you mayor foster go ahead thank thank you so
yeah I if I can address that question to staff
... thinking that this sounds are
the you got
all say that you know that the fabric on the
secondary plan adult cancer meals of the land needs to
be in this area ... is this a difficult ...
you know or or reasonable undertaking on IT service it
seems reasonable but some were not the ones that need
to need to work and so helpless items most use
how easy or difficult bicycle or not advisable this would
be nice ... as far as one class
ten Mr Forster to it to you Mister chair too
to me a foster family to be confused as to
why do you like me to clarify sorry my apologies
we blitz well instead of ... instead of taking cash
from the land ... cancer deals proposing that we do
a lamb's us off and I don't know how easy
or difficult it is but it looks like yeah so
looks like Mr Windle what is going to
and I think it was going to do for them
the question to him thank you hello Graham is that
windows
thank you Mr chairman and
... you attach it to mayor foster ... good evening
everyone ...
yeah I mean it with staff as indicated in the
staff report ... you are our preferred or suggested by
option ... given the fact that we've got three property
owners are with three separate pieces of right away ...
that would need to be conveyed to them we're suggesting
that ... undertaking this ... just prior to the planned
subdivision coming forward ... in terms of ... their purchase
of this property is the most efficient way to undertake
this to pave the way for this the secondary plan
to be completed and ultimately for subdivision plans are to
be ... to be applied for which are complicated by
the fact that ... we if we continue to continue
to own the property ... as Mr pally then it
then it to it impedes the ability for the developer
to go forward as planned subdivision but more importantly ...
from a staff perspective we are challenged to figure out
what that trade off may be ... we're not exactly
sure of what what exactly are pretty is ... say
required for for park land dedication or even additional right
away say on Preston Preston bail the would that might
be able to accommodate to a multi use trail or
path ... we're we're just not to act again a
level that detail and and that's where the plan of
subdivision are comes in ... in that we would work
out so all those requirements ... described have been predicated
on the fact that the land would would've been transferred
to the ... to the developers and then we can
deal with our park land dedication or any other our
requirements to work through the plains subdivision process we just
... intimate to counsel that we think this is the
most efficient ... efficient process to undertake
thanks for
thank you
are there any
further questions or comments
on my
council near I guess you got to Robert
well it's certainly not what's proposed here is certainly efficient
for the developers because they're going to get a lot
of land for very little money on my mind so
if so what I see here is
at some point you know like we're gonna be looking
for trail connection if we have to turn around and
buy it from the developer we're gonna be paying
probably 10 or 20 times
... what we're going to be selling this land for
my in my estimation so ...
and what I'm what I'm trying to avoid is where
we get basically in essence give this land away for
what amounts to a rounding error for the developers so
I don't know why staff are so bound and then
to do that ... but you know the numbers I
saw
was probably like
rice of it would be about one quarter or sorry
one fifth of the price of a single semi lives
what we were you know ... and I just don't
see that as being fair due to us in this
process so I'm sure the developer wants to get on
with it I do see some sort of arrangement being
made aware by the ... you know we have a
letter of understanding saying you know what this is tax
amount of square feet ... and we'll get that back
from you either either in the form of additional park
land not parkland dedication additional park land or land for
additional trail connections that we need because you know it
was one of the points I was trying to make
was
... we're gonna need probably much more in the way
of trail connections and what's on this plan has been
approved ... so let's have the developer come to the
table and help us out and we're we don't have
to turn around right at the check you know just
to get something we need a nap that hasn't been
planned for the day and I I you know there's
a lot of lot of land going to be involved
here not only this secondary plan but the one next
door ... so at some point we're gonna need something
back and I'm just trying to come up with a
way of making sure that you know we we didn't
sell low and buy high so it's all
recordable thank you
hi
a recorded vote of council Hooper
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Hey welcome back everyone you're about to resume
... the next item on that list is book hero
neighborhood secondary plan
delegation of Houston Nick Perez you
Mister Peres you're you're gonna
I'm here Mister chair thank you workers for go ahead
whenever you're ready
thank you good evening researcher you have 10 minutes
okay that's good and I'm hoping
I thought I had five so that's great Mr Jr
thank you good evening Mister chair and members of the
council my name is ... nickel edgy and I'm with
macaulay show me house and and I'm representing the owners
of twenty two sixty five twenty three oh five and
twenty three twenty five building bill Avenue
... I want to note that there is a fourth
property in the area of twenty two eighty five Bowman
bell Avenue that I don't represent
... the properties are on the east side of phone
bill Avenue and south of Longworth St
are there for properties that each have a single family
dwelling others sat relatively far back from the main road
Bowman fell out in your
the properties are access by Alain that is called Lyndon
lane
and I'm speaking tonight on behalf of these owners ...
on the brook hill ... neighborhood secondary plan
the official plan defines Bonneville Avenue as a local corridor
a priority intensification area and outlines a range of densities
are required or or possible for the area of thirty
to forty units per actor two point zero floor space
index or FSI and up to six storeys in height
the brook hill a proposed draft secondary plan policy state
... that local corridors are to be the focus of
higher density and should have the greatest heights area
however the proposed plans sorry the lands are proposed to
be designated low density in the secondary plan
even though two of the preliminary two of the three
preliminary options had a higher density medium density designation
as what we feel is appropriate for the lands
... the block to the north of the Linden lane
properties is proposed as part of the secondary plan to
be designated as a neighborhood center
which is proposed to accommodate similar medium densities and up
to six storeys in height
Longworth Avenue is proposed to shift slightly to the south
and that brings the subject lands even closer to this
medium density neighborhood commercial node
the draft secondary plan also requires a block master plan
to be developed for the block on the east side
of Bowmanville Avenue and south of Longworth St
the area south of Lyndon lane includes twenty years so
single family dwellings that are far less likely to redeveloped
into Lyndon lane properties are
we believe that the block last plan is an onerous
process
which sets up the potential redevelopment on Linden lane to
fail
the Linden lane properties have direct frontage on a list
on the local court R.
they have good connections to transportation infrastructure including the Bonneville
go station which is about one point six climbers okay
and is what the closest redevelopment sites in Brooksville to
the goal station
the layout of the site makes them prime candidates for
redevelopment why is that you might ask Mister chair the
front of these properties are about a hundred meters of
the frontage of these properties is completely bacon there's nothing
there the single family detached homes that are on these
properties is set very very far back to the very
back of Lyndon lane abiding ... the natural heritage area
and the creek to the back
the properties have about a hundred and ninety two hundred
ninety five meters a width and depth which is sufficient
to accommodate any transition that might be required to existing
development I mean scaling down did the existing development
the owners can't support the low density designation or the
requirement for walking past your plan
and are asking council to work with us and to
work with staff prior to this going to counsel to
trying to cheat the fall a medium density designation and
densities on the site that are consistent with the local
court R. policies along Bonneville Avenue
removal of the requirement for a block master planned
which can be replaced with development and build farm transition
policies to maintain compatibility while allowing Riddick redevelopment to proceed
Mister chairman also submitted a letter on behalf of the
owners and I know that's gone to planning stopping your
courts department it might not be on your agenda for
tonight to be received but I assume if it's not
there tonight will be received by council in a couple
weeks those are my ... submissions Mister chair and I'm
happy to answer any questions
thank you very much I see Constand's lawyer has requested
grab something
yeah thanks Mister choke choke you saying that that is
designated low density where were you getting that from
I was I was looking at sketch
that actually your point sent me to serve noon which
suggested that it was not low density so
Mr carousel as low density three Mister chairs low density
proposed in the ... in the draft secondary plan is
before you I'm not sure
... what was sent to you this afternoon I don't
have a
it might have been one of the two options that
show the property as well interesting it's good yeah I
don't know but ... the one the
secondary plan those before you tonight has ... low density
designation ones
so as I understand it your
he's been no studies done to date mmhm ... which
would
address the issues that I get I guess for example
the neighborhood the neighbors to the south would have
so are you what it what exactly is it you're
asking that I
because you know there's been a bunch of studies done
further
remainder of the property but not this much not this
part so are you seeking like a a deferral of
this
... well Mister chairman I I know ... I'm I'm
a bit by me personally I'm a bit late to
the game I know the owners have been ...
I have been involved for some time ... you know
personally I think you know I I don't know if
it would be fruitful I I certainly hope to talk
with staff over there over the next week or so
to see if there's any ... you know what the
options might be ... I don't want to say that
a deferral is the way that it has to go
perhaps it's something we can work with staff
over the next couple weeks or potentially beyond that you
know after it sent to ... regional council for approval
on an amendment ... but I think in terms of
... studies being done that this is the study ...
frankly if if your client is to participate in the
study Drexel
but this is a public process they're they're taking part
in the public process I don't think anyone known or
whether you're a developer who's part of a developer's group
or a single family detached owner who's a part of
a second I think they should have a similar ...
stand on the internet so what if what if your
plan was for the opportunity to seek a
Fishel
thank you to studies and go ahead and submit your
yes ... three Mister chair of the the issue with
that unless council were to grant them an exemption is
that ... the planning act now restricts official plan amendments
from being filed within two years what am I getting
at is it is
what if you were given the ability to bring foreign
application with all the necessary studies
to address all the issues transportation
access you know neighborhood concerns
we can't work it out so thank you Mr chair
that's something I can certainly talk to them about ...
provided that they did not that the the two year
moratorium on an amendment was waived and that's something I
could certainly talk a little bit and see if they'd
be interested in that okay thank you
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no I've just ... that previous delegate kept cutting in
and out on my own and what I was hearing
I don't know that was the same for everybody
I haven't heard any
comparable okay right now that's right is it is it
okay now
it is now but you're not the previous d'elegance alright
thank you for your
thank you all move that if you want okay from
there maybe that was on his mind I yes I
need a second of a back
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are the questions are common
not near farce the go ahead please
thank you Mister chair Mister chair I do understand that
some people are having a hard time hearing you ...
I get that when I'm in the chair as well
I think it's because your ... you're forced to
yeah I have to wear off amassed
... couple of higher level ... questions on the record
firstly I'm I'm noting that in lieu in this report
we are reading that that parking on streets is an
effective traffic calming measure it which I don't disagree with
... but but does this give rise to a you
know a lot of a greater dialogue that we need
to have with on street parking so we're thinking that
it is good here we've got limitations ... in other
spots in the municipality that when when we when we
drive the planned ... with that with our our parking
policies and I honestly don't know who that says that
goes to
Mr window lying take a crack at that or maybe
... I don't know if that Mr maciver
it is on the line that's nice
well thank you I'm sorry this is
with the women are you making a profit back
excuse me yes yes I will certainly ... start I
think I know a little bit about that ... but
I was referred to in this nine minute she needs
to
add anything additional to what I may say ... I
do understand it ... on street parking has been discussed
in personality I believe that ... through our zone Clarington
process through the zoning bylaw review ... we will be
looking at parking ... as as an issue in determining
what the options are to address ... all manner of
required parking standards including ... on street or off street
parking
and I will admit I don't remember if that's a
study that has also been moved up in our
in our in our list of things to do but
I know that there is a discussion ... that we
would address throughout through his owning bylaw ... project review
process
okay I'm I'm looking at integrating so as as much
as we thought
one spot or are we looking at integrating everything for
one policy across all cleared
so you know you'll get arguments that you know we
we restrict parking to
you know 3:00 hours
you know we we we don't have
I don't have the ability let's see how fast the
car overnight and I can tell you that councillors you
know probably a quarter of their complaints are that someone
got a ticket for parking in a quarter of the
complaints are that someone should get a ticket for parking
yeah I'm sorry I'm just I'm just curious because I
was highlighted in in this report
through through the chair ... to verify Astor unfortunate I
can't ... answered directly to sort of the parking pilot
portion of it ... but again I believe it's it's
an issue that that is presented in many nationalities ...
and and we would certainly whether it's the parking bylaw
or ... zoning bylaw exercise or urban design guidelines per
neighborhood per secondary plant at that address on street parking
issues ... and Austria parking issues it would be ...
something that would be
be looking across the entire misspelling okay like that I
think of this and I think you told me that
earlier I just didn't just didn't hear you ... ...
... correctly ... if you're looking specific ... you know
to this report would you be looking at ... fabric
lining so the challenge that we have left much smaller
frontages is that on street parking is like is is
very frequently that's not doable so so what would this
be a part of life yeah you know so that
you can actually park on the world
and I'm not sure if I like that idea or
not based on fact
after the complaints that I get the other half of
the complaints
through the charity of their foster can you repeat sorry
would you refuse suggested fabric lining well so they so
they don't lie as your as you're developing
well the areas and we have smaller smaller prejudice yet
those smaller prestigious quite frequently you can't park cars on
roads if we're suggesting that parking cars on roads now
is an effective way of calming traffic how are we
going to deal with that
thank you to tear you out it's
again there there's there there's potentially some combination between ...
formal zoning standards or urban design guidelines you typically make
it into when you have smaller lots maybe there's an
opportunity to ... twin driveways ... that that open up
some some curved locations for parking ... but better than
additionally there may be some consideration for ... adjusting the
right away as to where sidewalks may or may not
to exist to provide additional ... space on the private
property for parking ... but but I think we would
we would look at it the checker guidelines that would
address something like again twenty driveways or or or other
options to ... to hopefully provide some opportunity for on
street parking is I think in my experiences ... there
is some value to on street parking although it has
its challenges but there is a balance between private and
public space parking that can create ... again a balance
for for for those living living in the neighborhood or
traveling to the neighborhood the understanding that ... we we
are still all relying somewhat on our on our vehicles
okay so it's that's going to be an interesting and
when I say that I mean it genuinely it will
be an interesting debate baths whose father man I'm mad
mad too I think ... without being presumptuous it is
a typical ... discussion at the plan of subdivision stage
where developer would provide an on street ... parking plan
... which would be reviewed ... through through the missile
power he has to account and appropriateness and location of
spaces and and again creating ... a balanced neighborhood
thank you all right I want to go back to
Mr apologies comments ... regarding three up the property owners
on that window as if there if they do do
we have the ability to wait wait to your requirements
... what what would you view as being the appropriate
steps forward ... and the second part ... on that
day you know can can be area of the broken
into the house into two spots the northern portion of
the southern portion so certainly what Caitlyn is proposing is
quite different from the higher density that's being proposed by
the three property owners of the land
through through the chair ... tutti America foster and again
I will I will provide ... Mister cells are an
opportunity to add to the to my my answer is
is need be ... yes council can take the opportunity
to ... to allow for amendments ... inside that that
two year moratorium that comes from the planning act ...
but I might back it back or something open suggest
we provide you with a recommendation our recommendation is that
the block master plan really does exactly what Mr plan
G. is suggesting if they're willing to to do all
the reports and studies in an undertaker planning we're just
suggesting that that happens with in a master block transplant
process that balances all the interests gives the opportunity of
all all property owners to get involved ... it would
include a review of the the transportation network the environmental
considerations appropriate locked apps densities ... we do recognize that
there is an opportunity for for a potential future development
in these locations but we do our due also to
know that this is an existing residential neighborhood with certain
characteristics ... that we are suggesting to council is the
the best option to consider the future of this neighborhood
with this porcelain neighborhood is through a block masterplan
yeah can I maybe I wasn't listening as closely as
I should have but I it sounded as if Mr
plans you might have been ... heading in that direction
... you know just have some dialogue with you so
so the second part ... right I can again the
the Caitlyn proposal is is very different five is it
possible or desirable to split that says that block into
two pieces
again through through the chair to to you ... mayor
foster ...
the catering property presents additional consideration ... it in that
the concept of development is quite dance quite high ...
by and by geography yes it it looks like it
provides an opportunity to be separated say are on its
on its own or or be a part of one
one portion of the plan verses that the northern portion
but again both areas into our minds have have similar
considerations in that yes we're open to development in consideration
of development but has been coordinated fashion and and a
proper process to our minds is is the block master
plan so yes my answer would be is that they
they could potentially be split out separately if the block
master plan didn't exist ... and council provided the waiver
of the ... the two years if the secondary plan
was approved ... but they then have to go through
the development application processes separately ... individually but also then
provide all of the backup studies reports ... including like
I said traffic traffic circulation environmental all of that but
again the the answer really to that is we're suggesting
the council that it's a coordinated ... plan that that
is the best serves the future planning for this area
okay perfect thank you for that thank you Mr
bank your arm as long as your hand was up
early I don't know if you got tired are the
question was not answered
through the chair the question was answered by Mr window
our thoughts thank you
next on the list we have come to the Jones
thank you very much in and through the chair I
guess my questions are more ... along the same line
and their foster was just asking about ... around daisy
block master plan and
just for my own information so I don't I don't
want to assume that I'm
do the wrong thing here is so the two year
moratorium is that just to allow for the proper planning
and the proper procedures to be followed like why just
that the history back from that the planning act why
is it two years
through the chair councillor Jones
as far as the specific answer just two years unfortunately
the the number escapes me as to whether it was
... specific rationale other than ... it comes from the
planning act indicating that a secondary plan is approved ...
that is more trying for two years and really tuned
to my mind it was to ensure that
a long range planning document like this goes through a
very rigorous public process a local council goes through their
all their good work to it to a doctor ...
it a secondary plan which is actually officially an official
plan amendment ... and then to have it be at
the risk of sounding ... crass being picked apart ...
you know within six months of its adoption ... what
with applicants requesting changes it was provide some stability so
to to solidify the yeah the good work of local
councils due to set these are the these plans in
place
okay I I totally understand us ... that's what I
was thinking ... I'm just I'm trying to get some
creative ideas here on how to ... to get a
compromise and in this area and that it does sound
like you know there's there's certain groups here that feel
that the two years is is a hindrance to them
and I'm also thinking of the other side of it
too is that ... you know it is this area
of words to developed or changed after going through obviously
the proper processes and applications and and studies and everything
but I think it could really help our economy and
and clearing ten and you know if there was more
building in this area it's going to provide more jobs
it's going to be like right now also there and
there are so many people trying to move declaring ten
and I I'm just worried that if we wait the
two years and then ... you know further time is
spent after that that I'm worried a little bit from
a planning perspective that will we miss some opportunities here
to really you know further develop that area
and I would hate to miss out on that so
I'm leaning towards thinking if if we can do something
to to waive that time period but ... I will
listen to other further comments as we ...
go through the meeting tonight I think that's my questions
for now but hopefully the chair will allow me maybe
second time around if I do have some further questions
thank you
thank you very much announcement comes as far
thank you in just like this afternoon I was wondering
your staff could ... make some ... gentle encouragements to
the developers to include sprinklers in their new buildings thank
you
our annual on ways to comment on that
how are
as long as you want to take a crack at
one
through the chair to councillors ward ... staff can encourage
that ... as stated earlier this afternoon it is not
part of the building code as of yet ... the
chief building officials and the fire ... chiefs of Ontario
have been trying to get it in the building code
for some time ... and will continue to work on
that but we can also have a crack at it
as from a policy point of view but we cannot
... demanded of the developers but if they wish to
do that ... they are most welcome to do that
... I can also take a crack at the counselor
Jones question if you want me to
of course go ahead please
well ... the whole reason for the block master plan
is to be able to plan that area and there
may be a bit of confusion here that the block
master plan will not take two years ... it is
something that can be done quicker than two years and
and maybe Mr Salazar can address the timing on the
block master plan but the two of them ... seem
to be getting confused at the block master plan was
going to take another two years and then another
a waiting period for another two years after that and
I don't think that that's totally accurate so Mister Salazar
might be able to clear that up a bit with
it by explaining the block master plan process
may I miss archer
go ahead please
thank you for your researcher at is very interesting because
they compromise is the block master plan let me give
you a brief history of their block master plan we
have had ... there to propose on Sir one moment
by Mister genesis group on by Kellen Beck came through
the process of the secondary plan while we were preparing
a tentative so we consider all proposals and after then
I leases we came to the conclusion that these two
proposals on that area west east among eleven years share
many components one of the company's a share is the
Greek other Baquba's creek that is one of the obviously
one of their assets to the community and we need
to protect them and development has to take care of
that asset of the community the second element at a
share is Bombay laughing at right now you have three
access points that you increase with high density you are
going to have traffic constraints on women we live in
you I'm not only that but the emergency component along
high density with one entrance on
under the other components of infrastructure I'm I'm voting on
another one that is very important as community participation and
acceptance because DC Senate this is an established neighborhood so
having said that back in September when we have the
statutory public meeting we offer the opportunity of the block
master plan so what does the blockbuster plan allows the
applicants to look into it good high density happening to
said yes and if if Seoul what would be the
how he was copying the built form the densities infrastructure
the transportation and the environment the protection of the creek
that's how you look at the block master planning that
concept comprehensively on at this time what their block masterplan
bass on the policies it allows the applicants to proceed
with the block master plan within that time within the
next two years they don't have to wait two years
that's why we wrote the policy they can do it
now by council adopting the secondary plan tonight you are
given permission to them to put it to proceed with
the block master plan they don't have to wait two
years
thank thank you our
any
anything further from
I am I am running a grand Prix's
not going to get an amendment Mister chair
two up for the lands that are shown in the
block block master plan that
the
clickable land policies and designations be deferred
and
to allow the owners to submit official plan amendments before
the expiry of the two year
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right okay gardens I wanted so
we already gave her some leeway to ... we already
directed staff to accept ... an apt an application for
... pre consultation
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somebody's not you did Mr
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okay thanks Brian
so
I guess this would allow that application to run its
course take
... as far as I understand you're gonna have to
deal with issues
... not just for their own property but for the
area in general and any of that and the same
with if if ... Mister ... pop up like these
clients want to go ahead and do an application
... they will have to prob presume we do the
same so another words won't just be restricted to their
own property in terms of study so
so I if they want to go ahead and ...
take a run at
... something more dense than ... single family or low
density than ... I don't see any reason why they
should be held back from that ... I mean the
public's gonna get involved no matter what
so I I just see this as a different perhaps
past but
it does take into consideration what we've already said to
Caitlyn which was
the staff were directed to take pre consultation with them
and then you know proceed in the normal course right
I recall that being part of that motion proceed in
the normal course so
... and as I understand it they were told as
part of the pre consultation that there're ... studies would
have to deal with the entire area so I think
we got this covered off ... but what it doesn't
... demander ... is that for example ... hence the
the group of represented by Mr Peleg he doesn't have
to work necessarily hand in hand with the cake group
that's all they could watch drone applications
I just see that as ... perhaps ... I don't
I don't see how we're giving up anything in terms
of
community consultation or studies or whatever it's not it's not
it's just giving them a path forward if they want
to take it so that's all thanks
consummated before I moved to a foster they marked on
it on the screen is not exactly the way you
wanted it to be
... and and does it ... sorry land land policies
and designations
I believe is the wording that should be there
is that correct tomorrow
I believe so yeah okay thank you
are there foster
well thank you Mister chair yeah just to let Mr
sergeant are just not can I just ... to up
bring official plan amendments
sorry to apply for official plan amendments prior to the
two year
after a service is looking along a
to allow the applicable owners to apply
for official plan amendments
okay
thank you
okay thank you garnered their foster
thank you Mister chair Mister Salazar isn't isn't this what
you just described to us with perhaps the ... the
distinction and I don't know if it's caught here with
a distinction that ... the the group from London might
go ahead on their own but if if I was
listening I I think this does does what you already
have in place
good for you Mr sure that's correct there right now
the block master plan doesn't confirm or change any existing
land use designations so if I am I may forgive
it for these resolution is that okay if the intent
of counselors to allow owners of doppler within the blockbuster
Canaria to apply within the next two years just then
you need to say get that as soon as you
say deferred the land use policy designations you are taking
away what they may have already today I start ups
in terms of land use designations so do you think
tank is to apply it to let them apply then
I would suggest that yes be saved say that
with the tires what I thought you said the the
compromise was the block master plan and I thought I
heard you say something about they would have three years
to apply so we wouldn't worry about that two year
a limitation
good to you Mister chair dimana toward him under the
planning act is for two years so if the council
decides they could apply within those two years after the
two years that could apply any time
okay so whoever called well leave a leave that advice
with the with the mover of the motion thank you
thank you Mr Salazar
thank you counsel mayors from there I moved along to
... comes the Jones
so I just want to clarify so this would allow
each landowner to do their own
Daddies do their own work they wouldn't be necessary they
wouldn't be tied together Zacks corrected as Mr cells are
constantly no room the server is now joining
okay S. A. to you Mr church at the consulate
in sweat this will allow any property owner within the
block masterplan area could proceed with an application we have
been very clear to all dapp prospective applicants or tool
those who have shown interest that when you do this
study they need to consider forty cent stake in park
on Bowman B. creek not only from the north in
part but also to Steven slang so much of the
work that they will have to do anyway will include
other areas within the blockbuster primary
and that was what counseling is different too they need
to do to assist ice anyway
yes I absolutely want that to be done I am
okay I just want to make sure that people wouldn't
be grouped in together and
I guess that they would be tied to that that
two years okay thank you very much
thank you very much constituents
our concern over
I think it is nothing thank you Mister chair so
... just so they get this through my mind this
is taking from ... along worth Avenue right completely down
to Steven's road as that as and over to Bonneville
Avenue one block block master banquet
through through you Mister chair at the to consider Hooper
the areas and are from the lane to the north
a south or what we consider the neighborhood center to
a student's wrote to the south
in order to and over to Bonneville Avenue correct
and yes beating the clickable number 11
okay thank you very much thank you Mr thank you
for our concert Jones round is still out
sorry about that and
continue
yes Sir your honor Opeth no no it's okay
contra dancing can I ask one more question you're moving
for a second time around
if I have a second looking
seconded by councilman Nino
questions or comments are in favor
yes yes yes yes
and your post
red green lawn go ahead please
I'm I'm just wondering if ... the mover would consider
... an amendment to this I'm just wondering if we
need to add in
the
do we write in part led to for all the
policies that the optical land policies
during if we got everything in right
I'm just thinking it through maybe I spoke too quick
...
okay sorry
I thought that we maybe there was something missing there
okay sorry I think it's good thank you okay bank
of America plaza
well thank you Mister chair Mister Salazar gonna make you
repeat yourself ... that you had some concerns with motion
asking was as it was written
suggesting that if we deal with the two year moratorium
alone ... that that would
that would take care of things so that could you
could you repeat
what you're told me and at that there's a simpler
way and perhaps not one that protects everyone's interests better
... if we simplify this
with 3 researcher to the media foster
the intent of counselors to allow
any property owner within the area to apply within the
next two years on I might my belief is that
a solution to the guests reflect the council is allowing
property owners to apply within the next two years we
through the consultation process we will outline the different studies
on the area on the scope of those studies as
part of that process
okay so the motion as it's written does that S.
I mean if we pass that and the intent of
of motion is you know with is is here ...
just the motion as it's written and because you've any
any challenges
let me read it read them when it once again
please
I just wanna make sure that we don't shoot ourselves
and perhaps property owners and in the foot along the
way
yes the the only concern I have is that the
applicable land policies and designations be different at this time
we are not changing the designations of those lands the
land use designations the only thing that we had done
is to have an overlay for I'm block master plan
so we're not changing this ignition so different that the
sick patients with I don't know if it means deck
system designations of those lands
okay
all right so let's open it open to interpretation but
I don't I don't know for stepping on a land
mine or not okay thank you Mr chair thank you
Mister Ruston high I believe president Clinton your hand up
so you retire trying to make the changes right I'm
still not going well yeah I don't I don't think
any changes needed I'm I'm reading directly from
the letter ... written by western consulting ... representing one
of the landowners
... were they specifically request that we quote D. for
the applicable policies and designation
for the subject property so that's I assume they know
what they're doing ...
that's the
so it's a big land development firm ... Mister curator
so I thought we were doing in fact what they
were requesting but
but also doing the same for the property owners to
the north so that we're not treating them differently that's
all but
you know I think we need to treat them the
same moral us if they have
so I I didn't propose to change the wording Mr
right
thank you
there are no more questions or comments so all in
favor
yes yes yes yes
yes
Erin your both
we're being non that's carried unanimously
another question Mr
on the main motion yes Sir okay go ahead
so
hi I want to again go back to the issue
of trails ... this
in this plan and there is a lot more verbiage
in this document about
the trails
I think it's section 9
9.10
and
I wanted to get some clarification what this
paragraph meant nine point ten point ten trails identified and
schedule a
shall be assessed as part of an environmental impact study
being undertaken on adjacent land so what is that what
is actually what does that mean
is that your business hours are
sure I miss the stars ... I think your crop
up on your lap
yes Mr church some of the trails and see some
of the lands at that are designated for future environmentalist
alley will required for us to complete those A. S.
as to the time and the right location of those
strengths
what thank you what Y. N. E. I. S. like
I'm just curious why there's different wording for this versus
the one which is dealt with which was southwest Curtis
and it talks about adjacent lands what do mean by
Jason was that mean lands outside of this planner
at three you Mr sherry said Jason last of the
trail system
okay
so at looking at page to 29
the
what what is the trail like on the
the sort of following the Bonneville creek ... it just
sort of stops along with avenues that intentional or
I would have thought it would you want to go
all the way down to
king street
it is sorry my computer just froze one second please
and bluegrass schedule latest being referenced in section
9 of the year are printed
I'm getting there just give me a second please
okay sorry for my technical problems wins the contest I
would ask and mark and the pride that there has
been a leader in this project can you share that
that with fan sure screen that especially pleased okay
I think it
why does that thank you done selected us
some further questions on
okay thank you
let me share my screen now one second please okay
I got it
and
and we're okay
so you're referring to this is the wrong plan sorry
my mistake
the the the the
looking at the schedule a of
okay one second please
market do you have does schedule please
well you know I won't
structure that I just give me
yeah thanks so much
what what is the the trails stop it longer if
there were along the boulder creek
is that intentional or just missioner
can we get your real mother is what is it
stop there
Hey sorry I'm trying to locate a schedule in my
computer but it's not getting that sort
but somebody's got to open the scoring is already checked
by mistake how you got here all right at the
point where I was
asking about yeah what is it stop right there
I don't know exactly placed obsession okay so I guess
my other question is how does how does it get
under ... along with Avenue
the thank you can't usually I'm in I'm assuming it
would be a mistake to try to have people walking
across recycling across
Longworth
so should not somehow get under a bridge or something
... I have no doubt
he is now joining
okay I'm sorry
that is correct
and I hope it goes over well actually there's a
bridge as you know concerned
I'm sure there's a bridge at Longworth and and the
trio would conceivably go underneath the bridge right go up
one for the record there's another bridge up on on
Google Avenue to further on up the the eventual plan
we from way back when was to take it from
Belize two thousand all the way up to the ...
it believe the peace side of the creek all the
way up through the canal ... ... we're near Anderson
goes up underneath the old what we used to call
the Jacqueline creek Bailey Bailey bridge and moves up through
their into the wooded area through there and then goes
along on the probably the west side may even have
to cross over to the east ... the story to
the west side from the side ... maybe on the
Bailey bridge that's down on Jack when the old Jackson
road and then it would go along and follow the
creek up along underneath the bridge similar to what they've
done on the ... ... denim floral one going down
across ... to hook up to the trail down there
too as well so that was the idea was to
to eventually bring it up through all the way up
to ... the other side of a fifty cent Urbandale
Avenue sorry sorry thanks I didn't mean to interrupt Mister
Mister chair or a
Mr cells are I just thought I'd bring some up
points of interest that ... I can remember going back
from winning the previous mayor ... Henry was to fall
through as well so thank you
well I I I yes thanks now super because I
... yes
similar to my comments on the other so first Curtis
I I think there hasn't really been enough work done
on
citing where this trail is going to go and ...
I just you know is your
it's got a it's got to get under some of
these roads ... and I think it's important that it
does connect
with all the way down to the lake again ...
with
so I don't I don't but I don't see that
in this special is referenced
as being part is planned so I just I'm just
making a comment that I think more work could have
been done on on really ... presenting a clear plan
on how the trails gonna look so thank you
I know there's a lot of stormwater management ponds in
here but it's kind of late on the trails thanks
is that it
constantly yeah okay thank you counsel who are
yes thank you Mister chair and ... just to add
to further what I said ... ... ... I was
... looking at the plant to in regards to the
trail system and I just hope that that that there
would be further enhancements to ... making that day through
come to fruition because that is very important to bringing
the people from the north Glenn ... area of brook
hill all the way down through into our hopefully to
our downtown into the no values two thousand trail system
hook up through down into ... the ... lake shore
... crummy trails ... sent up there too as well
as ... as in the discussions we had today with
the Curtis proposal ... it's very important that ... we
can interconnect all the neighborhoods and bring them you know
so it's a much easier either walkability or cycling or
whatever whatever the ... you know I probably will be
here when that happens but anyways ... over the choose
to to move to a more well through through the
areas
thank you thanks Mister chair
thank you very much are there any
further questions or comments on the motion on
Adam and
all in favor your email
yes yes yes
yes
earning oppose
they're being non that's carried
nine point one which is the maintenance of the regular
meeting of Aprile twenty six twenty twenty one I need
a mover for Iraqis are monster who were
the up thrusters like run and laugh
questions are comments
they're being non
are in favor
yes yes yes
yes earlier polls
they're being non that's carried
under moving on your delegations and it's fairly got flown
hard ten minutes fifty nine
before we deal in writing something on your own this
back as there's a report has found board
if Congress should adopt that report
what could miss Barker's elaborate on what that would do
for those who are concerned about
they'll probably be in green velvet Honda for goals rather
concerned about
protection of farmland
yes doctors could you please just verify those two points
please
sure thank you Sir ... and if any of the
people that have written at this point ... aren't content
with what is in the staff report we can certainly
commit to providing individual pieces of correspondence and certainly follow
up phone calls each one of them to explain what
it means ... we can also post that information ...
on the website ... so that everybody has access to
the same information
if you so choose Sir
please do do a presentation on point and if it's
I'm trying not to be repetitive
so the first time I got down again instead of
move I'm here I'm trying to find these Mister
Costantino Bruna
Mr brown are you on the line
yeah
1.one
Mr Bruno you might be molded viewed it sorry
yes my name is Clark and you know Bruno
I pray you know
can you speak up a bit as well Mister brown
I'm going home
yes my name is Costantino Bruno
yes I call regarding this claim number and ... got
the piece of land on maple Grove road
hello
yes the garbage can can everyone hear Mr Brunner
yes
go ahead please Sir
yes I got this Amanda maple Grove road and that's
a shoulder on the mob is already a user northbound
highway two between the how you would do and ...
and national road it shows on the mob is about
a quarter of an inch
I don't I would go with that and paying partner
didn't belt not one or no
because into it doesn't show very much a pretty and
I am I'm twenty four nine of five maple Grove
rolled into one of four ninety two is a part
of one the green belt or not
Mr brewer I am not sure I understand what you're
getting on
when I can't change it yeah it's a twenty four
nine of five maple Grove the twenty four ninety to
make them grow I think it shows on the mob
it's at a job ... just in order to how
you would two one days and the website my dad
is a darkly pigmented moved further north than us out
there not should not be shown in the paint
it's not clear pilot program for ventilation but this and
they remember grandfather I'm wrong
a bit unusual but
hi Sir it's Lisa back as I can respond
grab please
okay the map is a little ... a little hard
to read on that side the green belt exists following
maple Grove road on the east side of maple Grove
road it is shown as purple on most of the
maps are pink whichever however you're seeing that color ...
does so the lands on the east side of maple
Grove road are in the white belt area or in
special study area to the lands on the west side
of maple Grove road north of highway two are in
the existing green belts
but I can certainly forward ... Mister Bruno and a
map of this property and we can pinpoint specifically for
him
Mr Bruno that's
are you wanted to find out you know
what I can say I mean I'm I'm not sure
because the only show I could do a quarter of
an inch from the corner of highway tool into what
exactly may grow to maple Grove and now I am
under a right to say on the ... on on
the east and the west right
oz Misbach assurance indicated if you cannot stop they'll help
you figure that out on the street level is that
good enough for yourself
thank you he finished and you all of your area
hi mutual fund units a cleaner
picked up the phone
no because this is an articulate traded to hardball mobile
you know it's a hard in both mobile because you
know it's a pleasant two thousand feet away between twenty
five hundred feet away from the kind of the entire
into Walmart to neighbors involved in the you know it's
ridiculous if you haven't bring about fundamental did it he's
going to be you know grow up in Bowmanville I'm
pretty sure they're going to come west and in the
going to keep the drive that land on the on
the green about cutting the ridiculous
... Mister brewer you have any other comments and structural
study area through if not you can contact stopped land
it's not a matter
he
are those your comments are
what I know I think that added that idea like
a general I work hard to get a piece of
land is but one degree about the water come what
idea I don't think he was a very bright you
know is unknown the middle this video they're tolerable mobile
I don't think it's a good idea I can audit
done major part ... part minded I may drop orchards
and I met and attended a warning about the green
belt
how good is it
it is a good idea I came to destroy the
apple orchards and they destroyed farmland and then they keep
it again about support for the UAT quota for pope
POP support for Turkey hunting is anything any animal like
that but that to me due to ridiculous attempt at
all and on the middle of that year the town
for green about ten acting as agent ridiculous away come
of what idea I don't think it was a very
bright
thank your newspaper Berliner your point is well taken on
staff will assist you further
if that's okay
which
are there any members of council have any questions for
Mister Brawner
and
I don't see any thank you very much for your
presentation Sir
thank you
our legal on to the next presenter it's Mr correct
clam but trump are you on the line
can you hear me
yes you can
okay great
thank you sure Anderson mayor councillors and ... ladies and
gentleman
the chance to speak to you tonight
presentation of weeks ago also try and make my points
brief ... hello command the
south and ... council members they may need to notify
land owners and and people who would be interested in
that this special starting area too thank you Watson noticeable
we'll have an opportunity to see what was going on
and I know there's been a little bit of a
concern in the past especially with the
originally with this national starting area ... designation and Leah's
own Claritin there wasn't a lot of notification I think
everyone's learned and ... the notification was excellent and there
was a letter sent to landowners and ... I think
that is great and it gives us an opportunity that
we can not
get educated on what's going on ... I do think
this is important matter and I do what I have
read the staff recommendation and I support it and I
will counsel tonight ... also supports the staff recommendation to
remove the special starting area to
... artist reiterated my concerns when there is discussion about
...
possibly
along the west single and trying to find some special
restrictions on land to the east of almost all I
make my case
the land for this ... properties we only have three
hundred acres in the way you look at all today
Houston's own L.
... there's too many restrictions restrictions put on it when
I when I went to certainly going to drop and
I don't think that's the reasoning to do ... we've
had ...
billions of dollars invested in infrastructure whether Sapporo seven coming
on to the one fifteen thirty five the culturing common
to earn a small little which is long overdue let
us hold our guests more fast tracks and gets moving
and hopefully ... the next year or two we're going
to see the sign turning over basically a brand new
hospital that
almost in time
close to half a billion dollars on the disinvestment install
council supported all these infrastructure investments in addition to put
some restrictions on the possibility of future development on the
east side of our building we need to be thinking
long term we need to be like a hundred years
from now not twenty years a lot of planning ...
... needs to be done over the next ... twenty
to a hundred years on where all these people who
are coming back did you hear about our lives and
I think we need to make sure there's space for
them to live with otherwise we're just going to drive
economic development out of our area and ... we don't
want to do that the card there's lots of farmers
and consider a motion from friends
I want to keep their land green building and protection
from the elements and there's actually nothing stopping them from
doing so I respect their views and encouraging them however
you want to protect the land requirement for every judicial
police all ask other landholders the sacrifice their investments by
having restrictions put on their land
of your future possible development I said it ... earlier
that ... I'm a farmer's insurance through six months of
fragrance purchase store in downtown will go one year after
grade thirteen otherwise our work here me working at an
hour long delays on the farm I don't plan to
change the priority for the next twenty years
granddaughter and hopefully some more grandchildren coming to a halt
in the business because my two boys are in the
business so we're farmers run through we respect the result
we're not ever imagining getting land taken over the remote
we just don't think we should be hearing more and
more share of green valley restricted lands and I don't
think we receive stick around one of the concerns that
I had in the last ...
in order to make committee meeting
is it restarted I'm all over this making a case
of the land west of Omaha isn't anywhere as good
as a land use the overall
not to be the case we farmland on maple Grove
road all road on the road so I wrote in
Curtis wrote
on the west side on the side we also require
moderate road and county road forty two on the side
of that on the website as well and I can
tell you the the yields on this land for apples
is identical and the size of the route is the
same and there and they were problematic techniques are the
same on the west side of rules on the east
side really anything in the difference between the west side
over on the east side is there a lot more
trees on the west side
and ... this Walmart a lot more people and ...
otherwise less people on the land east of Acapulco let
us make a land any better and doesn't make it
any worse just because ... somebody owns a smaller channel
and then the other people so I think it is
important that we ... check out this area of stolen
...
we don't
restrict it we need we need a moment to continued
economic growth that we
our forefathers in our previous councils and plan on and
...
I think there's another
farmers should want to keep their land for informing we'll
keep an eye is a little smaller green between homeowner
counselor restricting everybody else in the area
I think it's a I'm trying
it's a good argument to on the same farm land
but it's not a practical
it if you think the big picture if we save
a piece of one acre farmland in Clarington I was
gonna say it another area it is only just put
housing there's demand for people they're going to go somewhere
and already doing like I said earlier this year going
to drive our investment and economic development somewhere else so
I thank you for the opportunity to give my clients
and ... I look forward to a positive response to
our motion later tonight regarding removing the special study area
too thank you
thank you very much the camp are there any questions
from members of problems so far the delegates
our concern but go ahead please
yes thank you thank you Mr Sharon thank you Mister
camper coming forward and thank you for your participation in
the small business with Mr cramped and ... come down
and for your ... ... your investment in the downtown
core create that very much I just a question regards
to the weight belt property that you've purchased in ...
... in the east are you currently using that as
as ... ... growing opportunities for tree tree farm or
did you buy is an investment
we we bought that property ... to grow out holes
in their levels on almost every year later that we
can't have and ... but we did pay a premium
for that land because it is in the white ball
and ... so ... I'd hate to see restrictions put
on that land some day down the road
I'm pretty sure
I'm pretty sure that I think are you ordered you
counselor who were saying that something might be going through
and you might not be around I was fully suspect
that I will be around when the action really starts
moving east of the mall and ... well I I
do see that ... it's ...
necessary in order to keep their economic development engine rolling
in Clarington and allow our children or grandchildren or great
grandchildren a place to live and work so they don't
have to leave the community which I think is a
shame
I appreciate that and appreciate your your comments in regards
to that ... maybe ... sometime off line will have
a discussion regards the white and green belt again you
and I have been ... discuss things in regards to
that so ... I appreciate your thoughts thank very much
was kept
thank you clamp your counselor are there any further questions
for him I don't see any hands up thank you
very much correct for the presentation
and move move along to eleven point three AM the
maths barely gone is miss Beverly order
I mean what are you on the line
latest order are you on the line
you may be muted
our
she doesn't appear to be on the line so we'll
probably come back
we're moving along to eleven point four which is on
the matter or for a guy to have a look
at
is now exit thank you so much ... and thank
you mayor and councillors ... for allowing me to speak
maybe sent another gas heat I represent for west investments
for small can everybody hear
yes you can run a perfect ... we are owners
of about a hundred acres of land at the southeast
intersection of holes road and Bloor St Clair tent and
in two thousand seventeen we paid wipe out prices in
fact the premium that reflected future development potential so we're
investors we made our purchase decisions based on publicly available
information and special study area two and its potential impact
work quite a surprise to us so we understand that
the official plan policies being discussed do not qualify as
a municipal request to grow the greenbelt and rather they
represent a request by the municipality of the product that
the province studied areas to identify lands for permanent protection
and the green belt the inclusion of our lands in
the study area is already empire impairing the value of
our assets and should the study results and inclusion ...
we would face a material loss so we're directly affected
and oppose even the simple request for provincial study and
investigation and even the hint that the municipality and might
support the inclusion so ... you know initially we thought
that the request was made without proper consultations wasn't actually
adequately documented and that it lacked complete transparency ... now
... you know and the proposals and his motivations were
surprising to us given what we see as very scant
support for special study area to up from those were
willing to speak out openly in the community having said
that we are grateful that the planning department the mayor
and the council have responded to public pressure and are
finally giving this matter proper hearing in a public forum
I'm grateful for the notices being received and for making
available people's reactions and views and especially grateful for the
recommendation of the stuff to remove special study area to
so inclusion of the lesson the greenbelt overall I'm essentially
going I I'd like to applaud the previous speaker whose
views and ... substantive comments Michael echo of inclusion of
the lands in the green belts would displace during peak
growth in our area the greater golden horseshoe is really
the major engine of economic growth not just for our
local communities but for Ontario and really Canada as a
whole and as you know the province has a plan
for major growth all along the expanded shoreline of Lake
Ontario between Hamilton ... and you castle in what is
essentially the most well equipped infrastructure noting Canada in terms
of transportation energy generation supplying public services like hospitals schools
roads so the contemplated greenbelt expansion would really in circle
and isolate Clarington and within Clarence and it would further
isolate each of cordis Bowmanville Newcastle
they shared an employment growth in the area would effectively
be blocked for generations to come to my knowledge no
other communities along the garden golden horseshoe have advocated for
themselves to become isolated and to curtail future growth
... the fact that the fact is that given given
what's happening with immigration policies and the economy the GTA
the golden horseshoe will continue to grow and as the
previous speaker said people need places to live and work
and if Clarence and she helps local growth the jobs
in the investments will simply go elsewhere so we are
not saving land we're just saving landing on the local
neighborhood this proposal will simply disgrace growth to other communities
that are able to accommodate that growth because they're not
burdened by greenbelt restrictions so while we we feel the
greenbelt does provide an important and very robust framework for
the protection of greenspace and prime agricultural land we don't
believe that is your program framework for the land and
special state study area to
and the proposal is actually laughing together lots of different
types of land to the east and the west I
mean for example the area west of boulder bill ...
already has been fragmented by major roads like highway four
twelve fourteen the Darlington plant height record or the police
station and the settlements and a few big box stores
so it's being described already by some farmers are challenging
to farm given the highly trafficked roads where it's difficult
to move equipment and the farmland is already fragmented to
the to the extent that some of the farmers claim
they can't achieve scale and they can't farm the lands
viably or there simply aren't enough large tracts of land
in close proximity to one another
also clearing ten is the beneficiary of for the largest
infrastructure projects in the country and these projects were explicitly
supported by Clarence in council so these projects represent massive
investments by several layers of government investment that's ultimately supported
by taxpaying individuals and corporations ... Ontario so that's highway
four oh seven extension the opening of highways for twelve
and fourteen well known but when the hospital the Darlington
power plant refurbishment the go train expansion when bill ...
and more and more these projects were intended to accommodate
the US population and employment growth and ending the green
belt and then circling each of Cortes Bowmanville Newcastle is
effectively going to block growth in perpetuity and really represent
a colossal waste of billions of taxpayer funded government spending
on these projects
so we feel that the removal of virtually all of
clearing since territory for this kind of gross R. for
the projects that the growth of the these projects envisioned
is really poor planning and it's it's actually perplexing
given his reasoning was strongly opposed to municipal requested the
lands being in special status to be reviewed by the
province and we ask that the ... SS eight to
be deleted from the official plan thank you again for
allowing me to speak
she
thank you very much our
mayor foster you
correct thank you thank you Mister chair Mister gotta you're
aware of that is that after ... the motion yeah
this was with regards to home hardware was put forward
it was immediately withdrawn by letter to the minister and
that yes okay under okay so okay I was getting
confused I and you're aware that the report ... is
is saying to delete that we can delete the last
study area absolutely and I'm just saying that I'm just
I'm just
piling on
okay
thank you thank you Mister chair thank you a foster
ana
transporters thank you just a quick question on the Sentinel
when did you say you bought your land two thousand
seventeen
thank you adult care isn't appropriate for me to ask
doctor question at this point share
why not go ahead
because I think it was I think it is in
the ... procedural bylaw which I learned last week yeah
I'm so I'm staff when did the special study area
number to come into existence
our research yes thank you
thank you Sir yes ... the policies were adopted by
thirteen council in November of twenty sixteen and the policies
were approved by regional council in June of twenty seventeen
okay thank you
thank you cards that's it for
are there any other questions from
members of council
they're being non thank you very much
is regarded for your presentation
on may support are you on the line now
your mate Minnesota
hello yes please that we can hear you but it's
a bit local you'll speak public please
okay thank you for allowing me to speak tonight they're
strongly recommend that council vote in support of the recommendation
to delay to special study area too from the official
plan staff report we're told by the family sharing SSA
to the criteria used for rural agricultural and environmental protection
for rural protection there are existing policies and regulations in
place to maintain borough area and limit urban growth
the cultural protection the deletion of SS three two will
not change current lan designation farmers can continue to farm
as has been said and the future of their land
remains in their control
the agricultural advisory committee has not taken a definitive position
on the retention or deletion of SSA to
and through zone query engine clearing has been working on
environmental protection in both rural and urban areas
but most public comments received on this matter referred to
considerations that include Clarence Jones economic future and community growth
residents would like to have more industry with more jobs
close to home more commercial enterprises and services located locally
to reduce their need to travel to Toronto and to
other western parts of your own or to port hope
and Cobourg
you have laid the groundwork for query can grow future
growth with your support of major infrastructure projects
and most will be willing to pay their fair share
of future costs to adequately add the next band needed
social services recreational and community programs and facilities while maintaining
a clean healthy safe community in the future but we
need to spread the tax burden
the report recommends that submissions received on SS eight to
be directed to the upcoming official read the plan review
and the problem has recently announced another review of greenbelt
expansion
well the municipality be participating in this provincial call for
comments
I respectfully suggest that council direct staff to create and
maintain a list of parties interested in this SSA to
pros fast and greenbelt expansion
this would keep interested parties informed of changes that might
affect their properties as well as any potential changes to
the green belt locally
Erin all right at that stroke both programs the official
plan review and the review for greenbelt expansion the municipality
go beyond the minimal bureaucratic requirements for public notification
it is difficult for the average person to understand Craddick
language fuller information in user friendly language understood by all
would certainly be appreciated
we have seen the consequences when property owners are not
notified and when the public does not understand what is
being proposed are considered by council
let's not have a repeat of the frustrating process we
saw strong query and eat P. designation in rural areas
and the public career action with a green belt proposal
was added to a letter supporting and M. zero request
I'm asking thank you Mr mayor and each individual counselor
to diligently ensure the public
killer elite affected property owners are notified and informed of
council's position and any proposals related to the green belt
I recognized hello
at the end use designations are only a part of
council's responsibility and only a part of your future agenda
twenty twenty two will be a busy year for counsel
it's a continuation of the work yet to be undertaken
on its own query trunk the official plan review and
I mean as a whole Alexion however in summary for
this evening I am making five recommendations for your consideration
to vote to support integration of SSH shoe from the
official plan
do you base decisions made on a balanced approach that
includes consideration of Clarendon's grow its future economy and quality
of life just set up a list of interested parties
to keep them properly notified and properly informed through any
process that includes greenbelt expansion and to continue to keep
query chin a great place to work play and raise
their families thank you
thank you very much Mr order are there any questions
for the Birmingham from members of the council
the IBM nine thank you very much in order for
your partner's name
H.
I'll move on to the next the elegant on it
Stephen seventy Mr Selby are you on the line
Mississauga you may remember it
Mr Selby are you there
okay I'll I'll move on and then I will revert
back to the next Alexander is Mister Charles Stevens but
Stevens are you on the line I am Sir how
long is this one I am very well that's very
good go ahead please Sir you're up ten minutes very
good thank you for a ... allowing me to talk
on this subject ... I was asked to do this
by the ...
somebody up from the planning department so that very much
appreciated ... Mr mayor and councillors stand up landing it
delegates there was a written submission that I hold most
dear have glass have a read it ... it gives
you a bit of our background couple things that I
wanted to add to that that ... that donors that
is not enough to reduce emissions and that is I
have formed on both sides of the ball and built
in my lifetime twenty five years on the west side
on a family farm that was bought in eighteen ten
and I formed on the east side between both of
them to actual forty five years ... I know Mr
Campbell said there's no difference in ... the growing of
apples but I can tell you for sure that there's
a difference between growing corn or soybeans in the quality
of the land ... obviously apples are a different beast
and no we grew up was on that side too
and I would agree with Mr camp on that there
wasn't a whole lot of difference ...
I ... I'm also ... this is just a ...
all of my my qualifications here I wouldn't share past
chair of the Ontario oppa growers I was chair for
six years president lead vice chair of the Ontario fruit
and vegetable growers association what's a looks after all of
the ...
issues concerning up through this fall so that's where I
come from I'm not a farmer I used to be
but I'm not anymore ... my dad dad ... and
... I'm not really a cash crop farmer wrote Mr
sobie does that for me on my access ground I
am up in a blueberry grower which are basically
the gauge double cross to put that into perspective ...
on a on an acre of soybeans or corn or
whatever you can gross classically up two thousand dollars an
acre at hand block on a high value ... horticultural
crop you can grossed ten to fifteen to twenty thousand
dollars ... Kirk Baker that's quite a difference also the
horticulture industry makes a lot of jobs a lot of
jokes were via ... courted the bees ... they drive
to combine staytal tire to many people but they are
still in court so that just give you I'm going
to give you information here so that you can make
up a good decision at the end of the day
so ... number one A. as its farmland isn't dark
if you're non renewable resource once is taken to be
built on it's gone forever so it's a non renewable
resource that we have
number two which is a huge factor that most people
have talked about or whatever it's not just about ...
... the quality of the land that's here it's about
the micro climate that we have here in Clarington
close to Lake Ontario it is basically somewhat like what
they have in Niagara and ... data allowance Niagara to
grow grapes in tender
fruit and apple trees and other crops we had the
same here ... bacon Tereos the big guy and moderate
Sir arm our weather in the winter time
and keeps it cooler in the summer time to grow
these specialty crops ten miles north of here you can't
grow out I thank Mr camp would agree with me
on that
... so there is more than just the quality of
the land that we're talking about here ... so
keep that in mind when you make a decision that
I don't believe there is is he
it's a very rare commodity have number one agricultural farmland
connected with a micro climate to grow crops all right
at it's just it's it's a very finite resource that
we have in Canada the boat
so I have no issues with
fourteen buildings ... of any sorts whether it's industry or
houses on number four five six seven quality lan I
think there's lots of it it may cost a little
bit for services to do that but I think that's
I have no problem with that but my problem is
when you take number one two or three
... and build up a development on the reason for
that is when you build a house on number one
prime agricultural land or building on number all right anger
culture land I don't believe you will get anything more
aid for that ****
but when you take
a farmer and taken from number one agricultural land and
put him on number five you automatically increases cost
resources you reduce the crop that they get off of
that
and ... basically it makes it very difficult for him
to compete
in the world for
production of those
products and in the horticulture industry we compete for food
around the world another point is because I mean the
apple industry ... X. and I talked to the executive
director of the way G. today sixty percent of our
apples that we eat in Ontario are produced in Ontario
forty percent our import we can do better than that
but we need to have the proper micro climate and
land in order to do that and possibly down the
road we could have grapes and some tender run through
here the reason I call it tender fruit used because
mother nature we will allow you to grow in specific
areas
so are the finish up here
and I'm just trying to read here
I have
nothing to R. or you're asking me ... are you
might ask yourself what have I got to gain by
my statements I just made and thank you I have
nothing to gain personally what I believe that the three
young people that are going to be taking over my
operation have a locked gate
stand up to tell you the reason why because ...
I'd like them to have the opportunity to buy the
farm next door which is been done for years that's
how some of the farmers in this area have become
quite large and Bobby necessary in order to use the
tools and and the capacity in order to make ...
a levy so I have three young people to one
in their twenties to early thirties that if this land
is not protected with some type of policy for a
long term
... it won't work for a twenty year term because
policies can change due to differences in council people and
things like that so it's got to be put in
place for a long term so that they are not
competing against a developer for that property they are competing
against farmer to farmer and I'm good with that totally
good with that but they will not be able to
expand their operations at all or by a piece of
property but they're only to ... ... to grow the
business and ... I think growing business you have to
grow a business in order to stay in this so
does not accomplish base will lock up obviously the ...
okay you told
so ... thank you very much for letting me talk
on this ... and I ate I will respect whatever
decision the ... DO
Chinese people and this council make on this subject and
I respect all of the orders that we have in
this area because I deal
personally with a couple of them that have opposite views
to mock thank you so much any questions Grantham is
the theme of great timing councillor Nero bride please
so even this might my view is that the region
of Durham
can protect prime agricultural land through their official plan another
words
if this special study areas is deleted from our official
plan
... doesn't seem to be any prime agricultural lands gonna
get paved over anytime soon because the region is like
right now doing their initial comprehensive review it which has
I think
thank I think it's the thirty year time horizon ...
so N. as part of that deal
they won't be I don't think they'll be designated any
prime agricultural land as ... in within the urban area
anytime soon so you think that will protect your ...
address your concerns I don't think so because thirty years
isn't long enough because ... I know developers set up
on land and fifty years ago and it's basically ...
developers have it and they are getting the ... the
tax ... ... reduction because they've rented it to up
armor but eventually that property will probably be be ...
... a tape over it because the farmer can't expand
because he can't compete
you can't compete against the price that a developer will
...
okay not even close
I think okay thank you
you're welcome
thank you construct there any other questions for Mister Stevens
I don't see any thank you very much Sir for
your presentation
thank you
so I will go back to Mr sadly missed this
shall be are you on the line Stephen Selby
once the survey yup you don't seem to be on
the line unless you're muted now
okay so we'll move on to a misfit dog
Bramber
Mr I'm very on the line
going to try
you may be muted Sir I see are under lock
your muted
yes the firm
Mr Robert top running corner of your screen on the
team's screen there is little ... mark from looking online
with a line through it if you could click that
on yourself you can see that you have in hand
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but you were just on me itself you can go
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yes
go ahead please Sir can you hear me
the yes but you could could you speak up a
little bit louder please
yes correct is there any better yes
go ahead please
okay Mister chair thank you very much for having her
giving me the opportunity to speak before you and the
committee members
IBM
I looked at the results from the April twenty six
committee meeting and I noticed that ... seventy point seventy
one percent of the ... verbal and written submissions ...
opted for deleting ... those sections out of the operating
plan
... and only fourteen percent I want to keep that
policy
... in my letter that I address to the council
April twenty second
... I've sent ... I think very clearly and I
I don't want to waste your your time this evening
ugh going over point by point by point ... I
understand from ...
that ... there's one letter is on a website that
you can that everyone can get access
I believe that
my arguments ... are very specific very clear and address
the issue that that term ...
the council should
should keep the the section of
... thirteen point three point two as well as section
seventeen a special area institutional plan
yeah
having said that I believe that that
each of the 3
there is
Kurdish woman built a new castle are vastly different one
from the other both in terms of population perhaps even
density
marginalization industrialization they're they're all different
what I would recommend despite what my April 2
on the second letter said I am I believe that
that the white belt surrounding Newcastle
over to an including ... the section thirty five and
one fifteen highway
sure
remain in any
reporter should be
should be separate each of these are separate the experience
and I think you're special plan
can be amended such that you give recognition to to
to each of these these errors
... my wife and I twenty five odd years ago
but the ... old Allen homestead over two hundred acres
and ... ... north to the east coast ... seeping
growing traps and we noticed that the verbal or the
the white belt is east of of Arthur street we
have an archer street and ...
that is in bad
yeah plus the area ... over two thirty five one
fifteen ten north
our prime agricultural lands that
should be protected and and I think the council should
should do everything in its power to to encourage ...
the preservation of these agricultural intense areas that I think
is unique out of the you know correct castle area
also I think
perhaps ... SM station thirteen point three point two can
be amended instead of them Mr Belding supports is the
expansion of the green belt land area to provide long
term protection of agricultural lands perhaps it can be amended
slightly ... and then say that ... you know based
on on nine of scientific evidence that that is prime
agricultural land is is worth while protecting and should be
on the green
plan area I'm in support that
I wouldn't I would support anything that makes you
new cash so unique from Bowmanville and Kurdish
there was a study ... I know it's twenty years
ago but the area on the east side of Newcastle
between CPR railway traction and concession three dimensional sank fourteen
which is ... a wooded area and and added this
story ... approved by ... either again or ask a
region conservation authority who hired me the new year ...
person who prepared the debt the company to
or that it is yes Sir it is a
it is a very specific
cage part of the land here is the source of
two creeks are these north and south the ... foster
creek
... they also yes what area also supports countless so
wildlife
yeah
I'm sorry can you still hear me
yes Sir yes we're down
okay thank you
and and that
... we believe that areas such as that she should
be protected and the best in my opinion the best
way is to include that in in the green belt
area ... that's not my decision of course but I
think I think ... ...
for the reasons that are sent out that that any
day the decision is going to be made and it's
a ton of new castle bases
... based on our science based starting prior to the
decision that it's harder for cultural and
or German
... that decision has to be made what it should
be made based on on on some science based study
that basically sums ... stems out of my mind presentation
I'm sorry I wasn't available he's
on April twenty six percent in detail what the content
of my letter ... I had a hearing problem where
a computer problem ...
yeah
it's overcome now but I highly recommend there you go
go to the website and look up ... my letter
of April the twenty second ... and it was addressed
to Carrington ... council tension Lisa backers
do any of you have any questions the only question
members of constant grumbling
sorry I don't see any answers so thank you very
much for your presentation
for removal
sure by the very
when is the guard rail are you on the line
yes I am can you hear me yes we've gone
go ahead please yep ten minutes
thank you very much ... if it's okay I'd like
to share my screen the presentation yes go ahead
I can use that
yes John
thank you very much ... my name is Sean Galbraith
I'm an urban planner I am ... retained by freedom
mobile out to help with the application for the new
telecommunications tower at thirty six twelve trolls road ... and
there is a report to yourselves later on tonight that
... pertains to this installation so I thought I would
let you know a little bit about the project and
sort of how it came about in case you had
any questions for me ... first ...
a little bit about the Canadian wireless industry as I'm
sure everybody knows ... wireless devices are a crucial part
of our day to day lives more than sixty percent
of nine one one calls are made from a wireless
device and ... if you had a Rogers phone a
few weeks ago when the network went out entirely cross
Canada I'm sure you were pretty inconvenienced ... by that
that by that outage and I don't know how many
nine one one calls weren't weren't able to be made
... for an entire day on that network ... but
a lot of the the demands for new infrastructure like
cell towers ... is driven by data usage which is
increasing at about thirty four percent per year it's basically
exponentially increasing and it doesn't matter if it's in downtown
Toronto referred to in a more rural area of clear
engine that demand is there and it's only increasing and
so we have to build more installations and they can't
just go anywhere ... the after work around the existing
and antenna network essentially were assembling a three dimensional jigsaw
puzzle where some of the pieces are already fixed in
place so on the screen right now is it shows
where the existing antennas are the blackest black hero is
where the trolls road site is proposed and the little
icons are the installations for various carriers the two blue
ones indicate the location of two existing freedom mobile antenna
sites are they both happen to be co located on
other Kerrier towers and so we can't move it's our
closer that way ... the red one to the south
is a Roger site but that one is too close
to the freedom site to its west and so isn't
a colocation options
from a from the network engineering nerd perspective this is
what the network looks like on the on the left
this is the existing network again the white Erro is
... where the proposed installation is you can see in
the sort of purplish ... blobs those are the existing
our freedom antenna sites and how the signal sort of
propagates from those sites ... the area that the antenna
is proposed in is mediocre coverage I would say at
best ... and on the right is how it would
be improved by the new installation because of the height
of the new installation that signals going to Kerry a
lot farther and improve a much larger area than the
existing antenna sites in the area do you
no prior to proposing a new antenna site we have
to look at what's called co location and the nearest
antenna site ... to this is I believe a Roger
site and it's not a colocation option because freedoms antennas
are already on that tower ... indicated on the right
hand side ... by the black here those are freedoms
and tennis
and so there isn't an alternative to a new tower
questions where is the new tower go and so we
have entered into a lease with the owner of the
nursery on trolls road ... to locate the antenna site
at the far far back of the property is far
away from people as possible the internet site is proposed
to be fifty meters tall which is sort of typical
for ... rule area we're looking to do a large
so large that cover a large area from a small
foot print
this is sort of the wider area ... whiskey farm
is to the to the west just behind it
we prepared three photo simulations from various locations to show
you what the tower would look like from those vantage
points this is looking north from Adelaide road you can
sort of barely see it the most visible spot is
right in front of the driveway ... and again the
towers at the far back corner of the property ...
I don't think this is a particularly visually obtrusive ...
installation and the trees along the road will largely block
it for most of the year
looking south again from front with skis out from pebble
stone again you can see it but it appears because
of Justin shorter than other sort of hydro towers and
and ... phone masts and an existing ... TV antenna
it actually appears smaller than other infrastructure ... that's just
sort of around
we looked at other lands as well prior to this
one this is been on this site it's sighting has
been about two years in the making trying to find
an alternative this was definitely not our first pick it's
frankly our last pick and we do not have a
backup site to this to this proposal we looked at
many other properties in the area ... and are always
open to other ones ... but either they were not
a good fit because they were too close to ...
other existing antenna sites or there was no interest from
the landowner in us locating an antenna on their property
... we tried and we were unsuccessful and so we're
here
we know that public health is our number one concern
when these installations are proposing so we we contracted and
have prepared an independent third party ... tell us what
the levels would be from this proposed installation and they
measured and calculated what it would be at three six
three three four locations ... on the property in on
the two adjacent properties ... at around the tower itself
which is marked as location D. at the front the
sort of the garden center front house building at which
is C. and then two sheds slash Rogers on the
adjacent properties which are a and B. of those four
sites locations see was the highest level it was the
the the strongest signal level
but it's not actually that strong so if you look
at this table on the left hand side is the
maximum allowable exposure ... from ... from an antenna site
as allowed by health Canada's safety code six you're allowed
up to a hundred percent of that it doesn't matter
if it's a rooftop antenna on top of an apartment
building or ... tall tower in the middle of the
field or something in between ... it could be an
antenna site that's located inside the ceiling panels inside a
hospital safety code six prevails on all those installations and
it is never allowed to be more than one hundred
percent of its allowable limit
at the highest location around this proposed a site which
is two meters above the roof of that building that
I mentioned are the level will be zero point four
three eight percent of the allowable limit and incredibly small
amount by comparison if you have a home wifi router
I'm sitting next to mine right now ... if you
have a home wifi router and you stand about six
feet away from it you're about one point two percent
of safety code six so about three times as much
exposure as you'll get from the cell tower
people are also worried about you know five G. and
this is just a very short primer on ... all
the electromagnetic spectrum ... is broken into two different types
ionizing and non ionizing
I analyzing is the scary stuff that's the X. rays
that ... gamma rays that's radioactive sources ... this isn't
that we are down in television antenna range and these
are basically the old ... CBC television frequencies that been
repurposed for ... ... cellular phones ... we've been we've
been using this technology for effectively for a hundred years
... and it it is it safe to provided that
we are with the and safety code six and we
are well within safety code six
and this is been confirmed by Ann Arbor are you
are most certainly you have about thirty seconds and if
you Stephens set I can wrap it up and is
now joining local branch thanks I
I'd be happy to thank you ... so this is
been confirmed by basically every public health agency in Ontario
and around the world that dad going just picking one
... I teria public health says there's no conclusive evidence
of adverse effects on health at exposure levels both below
safety code six if there were ... frankly Carrington has
bigger issues because for example this is ... an antenna
site ... at the Clarington fire station on trolls road
directly across the street from you know a large residential
area ... there's another antenna site on Taunton road at
town line there's ... these two large towers on Anfield
road ... in ... in a farmer's field ... essentially
I would ask that
... council ... support its own protocol and ... allow
the director of planning to issue a directive ... in
support of the proposed installation if you have any questions
I would be happy to answer
thank you Sir on the cars down from that
konser Hooper
thank you Mr chairman thank you Sir for coming for
tonight in regards to the tower the
could potentially could be placed on this particular piece of
property is it just ... the master I don't know
what you call it like the poll goes on and
then there's a ... a mass that receives the signal
is it just going to be one mass that will
be on there or will there be with wrestling space
of the weather sorry
sorry thank you so it is ... it is only
the one the one tower the one mast and we're
required by ... what used to be called industry Canada
to make that space available to other licensed carriers ...
in an effort to minimize the number of towers in
an area overall so it's while be owned by freedom
and freedom would have its antennas on the site or
on the on the tower our Rogers or bell would
be available to ... co locate their ins and ten
as ... on the facility as well the the installation
would be though the single tower plus ... and equipment
shed at the base basically
and then you will you will be selling space on
their two other
holder data carriers to correct
I yes something and it's not it's not always sold
it's you know not always leased space sometimes ... you
know like Rogers has a tower over over there and
freedom need space on it freedom as tower over here
in Rogers needs based on it and they just sort
of swap sites there's entire teams are within the carrier's
... all they do is what's called these colocation agreements
and sometimes money changes hands and sometimes it doesn't
so in that that that's going way other question you
said there was other ... ... mass in the area
... pools in the area so have you made ...
is there is there is there any opportunities to post
a mass on any of those other ones so you
don't have to put a note
as I understand the question if you if you want
I can bring up that slide again and I can
show you where they are
... but did the short answer is ... we have
looked at colocation we we have we are required to
look at colocation prior to proposing a new antenna site
... and all of the existing sites that would be
alternatives are either they either have freedom antennas on them
already or they are too close to an existing site
that has freedom antennas on it already and so does
the the antenna sites can't be too close to each
other
okay and then went one further question again Mister chair
... in regards to I know that there's been opportunities
for disguising them for lack of a better word right
some people have been able to do it in the
form of you know treating mine trees or whatever except
the look that
... so I I think that that comes up quite
often ... and the the limitation is the height of
the tower has with when you put those branches on
it effectively what you're doing is putting up a giant
sale because the the because of the wind load and
the snow load on those branches and then I'm like
a tree which can sway ... in the breeze ...
towers cannot and so a few years ago I had
a request from the city of Vaughan to look at
doing a what we call a mono pine instead of
a monopole
and that one was only forty meters tall and I
don't know of any that have been done higher than
twenty meters so I didn't know the answer to the
question so we went to the tower fabrication company announced
in order for this to be structurally sound ... how
like how big with this thing needs to be and
the answer was over five and a half feet in
diameter all the way up
and that's a massive strike it was big enough to
have an internal staircase and it so that I think
that the cure would be worse than the disease if
you well ... because
it would just be an awful structure frankly ... it
would be much worse it would draw attention to itself
much more and when you look at it it would
be so much worse to look at the the poll
itself would just it would just be enormous ... and
so there are simply are none that are that big
four four read good reason I think it's it is
different if it was in the middle of a forest
where you have the trees around it to sort of
blocked the trump that's not the case here
okay thank you thank you Mr chairman or or thank
you thank you construct underground
thank you very much and threw the chair ... I
guess my questions Mr overseas are more concerning the the
public information session that was held ... and just wonder
like what what was your feeling from that meeting on
from the residence perspective that did you feel that enough
information diet diets ... you know were you able to
answer their questions satisfactory he well basically what was your
take on that I've come to the meeting
so my take on the meeting was it was pretty
much like
the majority of meetings that I go to where people
don't want it ... not every meeting is like that
and not even certainly not even every meeting in Clarington
that I've done and I've done
probably six six hours before enquiring ten something like that
... and most of the time right the new nobody
really cares about these things and nobody shows up ...
this was kind of about average for a tower where
there's opposition you know five or six people show up
... I believe that I answered all their questions I
don't think that I think it's fair to say that
who were opposed to the tower didn't like the answers
that I gave them ... because it the answers that
I gave them wasn't
you know we are not going to pursue this antenna
site ... we are pursuing this antenna site because as
we think it's a good site and there isn't an
alternative that we've been able to find ... but I
believe that I gave them yeah all I answered all
their questions and which were primarily health oriented I think
it's fair to say
right if I can't help if they if they don't
agree with the information that I provided to them so
I agree on that ... I I didn't wanna make
corrections this year your minutes ... just do it the
attendees at councillor Neil was present at that as well
... and his name is not all thank you at
all about ... Mr single only ... was also at
the meeting and his name doesn't seem to be there
either so I was a little concerned that maybe
there was some people missing from here your list of
attendees so that was one thing ...
if that's the case I apologize it was ... it
was based on the video ... it's basically almost a
video transcription and so if someone didn't show up as
... name being provided or something that a fact that
was captured on the screen then ... it might not
have been recorded I apologize if I missed a couple
people okay and I just want to make it clear
to you that I as a local cancer this is
the first cell tower actually that ... since I was
elected in in two thousand eighteen that ... I was
there ever been an issue so ... it was a
learning opportunity for myself as well ... and I just
wanted like I did actually receive quite a few calls
are recorded I encourage everyone to go to that meeting
... because I feel that that's where you can get
the answers aren't the best absolutely and I have their
voice heard ... I did get quite a few people
who did tell me that they weren't going to be
able to attend for one reason or another and they
wanted my my presence to ... to represent them which
I always think it's more important for the resin themselves
to speak up but ... there was signet like there
were there was definitely a number of different calls of
people were able to attend that meeting that were against
it one question as well ... I don't know if
we ever really got an answer about ... if there
is any updated information on ... one of the local
... businesses has ... has honey bees and they were
quite concerned that this tower what effect on the bees
at that I honestly didn't know much about dis wondered
if he found any further information on if they were
on selling honey bees or if they were trying to
just house them there how that might affect that business
I I don't know anything about their B. business
... but there's there's simply there's no there's no ...
published science ... that speaks of any harm to bees
lay the line up in a March more US to
safely than that ...
yeah the fear I don't believe is warranted by the
sites okay thanks ... I just want to know that
there was a ... a fair number of people in
the crease area that are against this ... location ...
and I have stated that angry deal look for another
... alternative site which you said that there is there
is no other alternative site and ... my residents really
just wanted their voices to be heard on that so
I think you for taking the time to come and
speak to us tonight ... you're very welcome I guess
the last thing I would like to thank our policy
really we're not making the final the director of planning
is really just just saying that the site plan is
appropriate I believe from the municipality's part right that it
is a federal decision on the final decision if the
tower is going to be there or not correct
more or less yes I would say ... and also
in the letter of concurrence would also confirm that we
have ... ... undertaken the application process in accordance with
the local protocol
which is likely to be out
thank you very much for coming forward tonight
you're very welcome thank you counsel
are there any other further questions from members of pounds
I don't see any council near bread please yes not
on this one Mister chairman I'm gonna give you most
also the agenda to do was seventeen point one now
good re have a ten minute break problems constantly
okay I believe the clerk and
Bob wants to go need a break so do I
have to be on
you want to bring that up pardon me only the
break and then I ... I'll be like I said
I'll be moving a motion alter the gender okay all
right thank you Irma's second before you move the bridge
next Mr guard right thank you very much for the
pardon taking it rides very thoroughly thank you
thank you so
thank you thank you for our motion and the break
move back on so I mean a second divided problems
stroke who are
for ten minutes it's not what time is it Mr
growth fund for
nine forty nine yes Sir we are not at nine
twenty five mmhm
the result on all in favor yes yes has
in your post
the IBM ma'am
I'll just got held up farming okay go ahead please
Sir so thank you very much so I did speak
with you back in February ... and I gave the
delegation as to why I ... support we move along
they are
special study area to and
my opinion today is the same as it was back
then that China ...
we we have a progressive farming business here
... production agriculture and we we we own and farmer
... ... a large acreage of land ...
within special study area too and all the land that
we own with competitively purchased while the land was not
a greenbelt designation and we believe that the prices that
we pay heed to purchase the land ... were based
on the fact that it was
revolted land so
it certainly would be a
it would certainly impact us to see our land
now green belted but what if that if if special
study area she was not removed
so my my point that I would like to make
tonight is just simply that ...
we would we would like to see special study area
to remove we do not want your land green belted
we we we feel that it would impact the value
of our lands would impact our balance sheet when you
packed our business our ability to borrow money against the
equity we have in the land
and
you know it's our it's our
a long term family business we park here ... and
die we'll be here for a while so I don't
have much more to say on that tonight other than
not in that I would like to see ... the
motion supported to that special study area to his remote
thank you Brammertz listed from the other any questions from
members of council from this this time
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okay thank thank you very much for your very well
frankly will cross through are there any other members of
problems that have questions remains that's five if there be
none thank you very much Sir for your presentation you're
welcome
concerning your you'll have a motion for a yeah I'll
give you a motion to alter the agenda that I'm
gonna motions fallout Cheryl clearing your
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continue on this speaker at dinner yeah I just there
are things going briefly
I believe Mister chair that
the
regional official plan
and will
the
yes the issue of
our land and what class one
... prime agricultural land in within that official plan I
don't think it's necessary to belabor greenbelt inclusion any further
so I
I've been a guest attacking for sometime to have this
removed so that we don't school study it further and
... it doesn't rear its head again again ... I
don't think that it it means that any farm lands
... gonna get paid over this not in the urban
boundary ... urban boundary expansions are not ... that street
not that easy to you know
to come about
there will ... but there's there's big decisions coming for
clients and for the long term
I eve where are where our employment lands going to
be so I'm raising those questions after region and and
locating
and I think you know we hear a lot of
folk housing but
sametime we need employment lands were converting employment lands ...
fact some of that a lot of that is supported
by Clinton but you know we need we need employment
lands and we need to plan for the next thirty
to fifty or something I will us recorded vote on
the motion thank you
thank you counsel nature of the motion is on the
screen is that
yes
okay thank you are there because they are hard was
that
... thank you Mister chair no it well sure you
know what I'll I'll speak to it ... yes so
so firstly attachment one verses attachment three I'm going to
speak to staff and I'm dealing with with two different
versions of the agenda of those of us like it
too early ... use the first one versus the next
one so attachment ... attachment one is correct
... I'm gonna go to Mr Wynn's Ole miss Lang
made
thank you Ameritas or through the chair to you mayor
foster my official copy of the report has the actual
amendment as attachment three
that's correct the card into the trunk mat correct
our
okay so cal star Neil you've got attached one
your forehead with some can someone put up on the
screen then because I don't know why remind would say
attachment one last year it's on the screen constantly
no no I'm talking about
I wasn't
not not
there was an update but it might be a different
version Kelson runs in the in the Clark is going
to keep trying our fight for you according to the
twelve
Mister chairman and three to two committee counsel mail attachment
one is the
public comments so it has to one a one B.
one C. or old Republic comments attachments three which I
will put up on the screen now is this on
is this what you're trying to remove
what my mind says attachment one proposed amendment number blank
to clinch an official plan
... Scott purpose location proposed amendments yes Sir if you
are you looking on screen now because I think you're
describing the one that's on screen now which is a
patent three
okay I just find it kind of odd that
using the like I I had paid for forty three
from my agenda which was the test one it wasn't
public comments so it looks like it's the same
we just read down here
that's the same so it you know okay so just
change find attachment three ... but I I do find
it confusing why that would change from so you might
want to look at why mindset is on page four
forty three and says attached one but yeah we'll we'll
absolutely look into that just wanna make sure we got
the correct detachment
okay I went the route this is yeah so I'm
happy to have that checked for you to test three
thank you very much bronchial mistranslated rounded up
to help councillor Neil ... the attachment he was referring
to was the attachment to the region's letter to us
and they had called it attachment one
and ... they had agreed with what it was but
for our report was attachment three
okay thank you for this verification that's your answer
okay so so thank you Mr cherry just wanted to
double check on that ... two Mr Windle word we
are taking grief for ... having the special study area
there
... ends at when we remove that I've I've had
a couple of calls and I think we've all received
our emails from people that are upset that we are
removing protection
when when we dealt with this couple of weeks ago
I use that highly technical term a no brainer and
and the the reason that I said that and you
know just reconfirm tonight ... this is an easy thing
for us to do because when when you look at
this yep neither
gives anything any greater protection
nor does it put any more restrictions so the special
study area to designation I'm in the sales more or
less meaning less is is that fair
... through the chair to you mehr foster ... I
just clarify it and characterize ... this from a planning
standpoint in that the deletion ... if if council so
chooses a special study area to policies ... if they
so desire to do that it does not change the
underlying land use designations are which include rural and and
private primary control across the lands which are afforded a
certain amount of protection ... for those uses ... regardless
of whether the suspects a study or policies are in
your peer not
I was trying to make it very simple that people
shouldn't be concerned at the counter Neil's point out that
that suddenly farms are gonna be paying that all of
the challenges in developing a gland or whatever the zoning
is still exist can we can we agree on that
yes all right thank
we we we do have I mean there there will
be some challenges moving forwards we've heard from our from
... you know some farmers that have emailed us and
have suggested that they would like to have their their
lambs that protected and I want to thank everyone who
has stepped up this is been very difficult for the
people explaining why it's important for them not to go
for that not to go into the green belt which
he actually was in our apartment separate from the US
pops the
we we are struggling I I thank Mr window with
with a way of perhaps protecting a bag and I'm
not suggesting or do anything in that direction what we're
hearing from people that the green belt may not be
the way of doing that I you know but but
there should be something
so what what does the as as we as we
look at the official plan and I don't want anyone's
blood pressure to go up ... because I don't think
anyone's gonna solution or an idea on that ... but
as we move forward our O. P. needs to link
him up with the region when they're doing their M.
C. R. so
so what does what does this look like living at
through the church you mehr foster ... if I'm picking
up what you're putting down ... I think for those
who are interested in this issue really the next step
is getting involved in the the region's MCR other national
conference review that's the region's official plan that they would
they are working out all manner of of policy and
and designations ... you know including urban boundary expansions ...
preservation of natural heritage of primary cultural lands role areas
urban areas which ever so I think that's that's really
the the next stop for those who are interested but
definitely also locally as we go through our O. P.
review over the next year year and a half that's
another ... space for the community to get involved council
to get involved ... all with the ... with the
ultimate goal in the planning world ... to to to
balance all these ... land use ... considerations and and
policy considerations are ultimately to to result in a and
a balanced community that considers all these priorities and again
including urban developments ... primary cultural land or rural rural
areas and and ... and environmental protection for example if
there is such a talk of interested parties list we
have that list yes
yes we have interested parties this related to the special
study area to ... project yes okay so moving forward
whether it's the region's M. C. R. or ours as
as it deals with us that will be difficult to
... to advise people that are on this list
through the church you mehr foster
we typically advise ... interested parties regarding local processes ...
and and and policy projects I may defer to to
miss Lang made ... or or Mr Salazar remains back
as ... regarding with the region ... does I assume
as they work through their projects they have interested parties
... party list the date that they ... compile ...
under struggling with it with the ... the connection of
a loss on purpose ... notifying this group of an
action is being taken by the region for example
so I can defer to Mister cells cells or maybe
the problem R. as well as our a lever
right please which thank you and Mister shared yesterday spent
on Mr window sat I'm sorry
what did the review will do is that they will
forty cents right now they have an issue paper called
proposed policy directions that don't use a log on a
cultural lands and I'm not sure heritage preservation and they
are waiting for comments until June the second we expect
that they will have on a draft official plan amendment
later this year or early next year and that I
would be publicized in Polish to everybody in terms of
public participation and asking for comments however they are not
going to do with that level of public participation that
the local municipality just what he does so we will
need to complement that public participation person but reaching out
to the public when those documents come out from the
region also Mister Salazar I think where I'm going with
that is ... it we've we've got a we've got
a list of of people that are interested in this
on both sides of that ... can we make use
of that list to make sure that people understand what
and when the region is ... doing
to you Mister chair at through to the chair of
major foster yes of course we will easily with could
easily out those names to what he's on every time
the reason comes up with initial discussion paper we could
not defy all those people and interested parties law Cape
perfect thank you because there has been ... criticism ...
that we did the the minimal ... ends I know
that to not be the case I'm not gonna I'm
not gonna be labor at ... however moving forward because
that's the only direction we should move them that we
can certainly do that Mister chair thank you ... to
... to staff for this thank you and again for
all of the members of the public many many conversations
that we've had as well ... thank you thank you
and before I go back to a concerned neighbor to
wrap up are there any
other members of council
wishing to weigh in on this now
consonant
well the only thing I would say Mr sure is
all right I don't view this
... so meaningless ... it was put in our official
plan
and there was in fact a motion passed which has
sought to
the seat on that letter did go to the minister
... but the that particular area
which was between the fourteen and raw and a maple
Grove again it was pulled back but ... you know
I wouldn't characterize this says ... is having no importer
I think it does I think there's just other ways
of dealing with those types of issues I II conserving
farmland and so on and ... that that's not the
one we should be seeking to ... use ... down
the road that's also thank you
I did ask for corporate
hi there any
further questions they're being nine or you're wrapped up in
our your recorded bowdlerized form
thank you Mister chair and it is on the motion
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nope sorry handed will come down okay
still doesn't there I got it any questions or comments
our house down here right he's
yeah I'm just noticing the
I guess
the SO two emissions ... six six thousand over six
thousand tonnes versus an allowance of thirty eight hundred
ton so that's quite a
I guess quickly over rap
what's the word I'm looking for
where do you see in some of
that was the explanation from St merry's
on that
it is written as long it is it are you
the type of person to answer me right
yes sure
yeah
sure through the chair of the two councillor Neil of
the six thousand tons six thousand and change our isn't
exceed means for this plant here in Bowman bill but
it is not an exceed ins for their limit in
Ontario because they can use both the Bowman go plant
and the St Mary's plant
... as they go deeper the rock is more sulfur
and that increases it the wet scrubbers that they have
just installed will help address that ... and they are
working actively with a group of residents down there ...
but they are not exceeding for their overall licenses within
the southern Ontario area
which I've heard before it doesn't sort of
help us out Jenny great to create a let's
that's the chakras the problem I have with that I
also noted that
the community concerns there are quite a quite a bit
more than I recall
you know regarding blasting noise and dust and so on
...
seems to be quite a bit more happening from that
standpoint than in the past so I recall where there
was very few complaints and I've heard for example ...
just you know I've heard of complaints myself residents have
sewer eserver
anything they're they're proposing to do about that
through the chair councillor Neil ... they have a new
environmental officer down there and he is actually ... actively
speaking with the community all the time and in fact
from our perspective the relationship has actually been better over
the last three to four months than it had been
prior to that so these numbers are from late last
year and early this year these minutes are from February
... so I think you might have a better indication
in the next set of minutes
thank you
many of them further from
and the other members of friends of yours
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yes yes yes yes yes
any opposed
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you move in there
yeah I'm moving a few of them that second right
we have far
well we need a motion what well I mean I'm
gonna get a motion this further stuff
reporter looking
are you second in that may harm
no I'm not sure ... sure Corp will discuss that
I'm not sure knows what we're gonna cheat referring to
staff but
sure
okay it's
gore California
pardon me Mr okay so you're molded to reflect as
far from the net farm bureaus acting in that motion
still questions the comments you'll
we are going
well I guess so
I mean if
if nothing else the staff could ... just you know
I guess come back and say you know all of
the sensory information is not accurate for example ... the
statements made Clinton generation have been cited to have the
highest
new instance of lung conditions in aspen and Terry when
in fact perhaps can't well if that's false then we
should be saying that's false
interesting enough I I did that one time try to
get their region health department to do something similar to
what is talked about and and didn't go anywhere but
so respectfully Mr chairman thirteen point one not thirteen point
two
all sort
so we're booked Tarentum mammal
this is the letter from
CBS eligible scholars must be on they were supposed to
be on the memo thanks Harper's throw
therefore I would try that and then moved to receiver
information all came up
is that okay with you yeah yes well second up
yes and you know just getting ahead of myself
okay
all in favor okay on for a second Leicester cherub
it just a couple of comments before we vote on
the receive okay right ... the I. you know so
I I think this it's so St Mary's put this
here it is important
that we get the you know the accurate information out
so I I've had a lot of phone calls not
surprising because my cell number and I know that I
know that councillors Wharton counselor Hooper ... as well had
the benefit of having their cell numbers ... distributed but
a lot of people very upset about the the burning
of tyres at which S. eight merry's notes that never
happened ... hi you're on there as well as ...
burning of toxic waste which again that it didn't happen
so you know it's important that we get out there
and I I hope that all members of council will
will strive to correct of blatant inaccuracies like us but
sign up I can tell you this is taken hours
and hours of my time ... I'm quite sure it
has taken a huge amount of time for both cancer
Hooper and ... counselors short as well ... not sure
why our phone numbers ... why two of them are
you know sitting on the fence a couple of your
heroes
currently I am a horrible person but some
but the key information like this is just for misinformation
like this is just not not helpful and I I
thought it was important that we at least said of
someone make that statement of the sequel thank you Mr
chair
Braintree remarked Sharma hunter Hooper
yes thank you Mister chair in the
wholeheartedly agree with them mayor plaster I was actually going
to suggest that this is copy review forwarded to all
... count regional councillors as well as regional staff in
as well as to the principles of the ... Clarington
clear whoever that is and ...
nobody on Kelso realizes how much damage has been done
to reputations ... and ... you know quite frankly ...
trying to run a small business that pandemic and try
to answer all these calls and automatically when people call
my cell phone number they're mad they're angry they're upset
... people were yelling at me and ... I just
... you know and I don't know what I don't
know why I just anyways I just I'm I'm I'm
I'm hurt by this and I'll just leave it at
that so thank you very much
Burroughs said councilor counselor as far
yeah I would just like to add that the damaging
our reputations was the intent of that flyers so thanks
for bringing that up you're wrong and I agree that
that down this should be Sir while I'm circulated widely
to the your regional councillor members as well as
whoever is not clearing ... Claritin clear if we can
ever find and who they are thank you
thank you very much are there any further
comments
they're being non
all in favor
yes yes yes yes
yes
and your post
we're being on that card so now we move on
through the thirteen point tool which is around the garden
D. Johnson and this is our motion for direction on
anyone are you giving him all done tons of talk
th th th
now your house is billable may 4 through giving emotional
yes I give emotion to refer this to Durham region
with a requested response
and that Clarington be copied on the response
hi how Strickland a for that I use recommend that
continue yes okay great thank you Mr chairman along the
same lines like cancer Neil was ... you know was
starting ... you know firstly I ... I'm not aware
that it's ... that cancer rates and asthma are amongst
the highest ... in Ontario or Canada I would die
it would be nice to get some specific information there
... I I don't know I mean we we've heard
the ... the new socks our system is but ...
we don't know that the scrubbers or filtration systems hi
if they have been down or or not ... I
would think things have changed because that plant has been
around for a very long period of time and then
to give Mister Johnson a sense of
of what that what in fact ... Kelce was doing
so well
yes thank
thank you very much are there any other
questions are coming
once you're in the hands are are in favor
yes yes
yeah this
in your pores
they are being run that card
15.one
with I need a motion for around
Ron foster
are you giving me like yep I am I've my
apologies my mouse is not working as well as upset
as it could ... but yes ... once the motion
that it
apple that has ... as written as rich artistic constantly
hope are you second in that market motion
hello which is this I'm gonna maybe I'm confused at
what we are trying to on P. E. R.
zero three zero dollars twenty one current gun comments I'm
trying that is great
radiography wastes policy framework
just second that Mister chair
your struggling and not
right right well and I would be pleased to do
so our workers that's sorry
well yeah that's what I was going to do but
we'll still get handling crime guns are concerned you
well the only thing I would say it's it's some
kind of light on on actual data so
there was a report
from Durham region on the same issue which just laid
out the facts you know how much is being stored
how much will be stored
and we're talking with a lot of like over by
the time
... they get around to removing anything from Darlington for
example there would be over a million fuel bundles
stored at Darlington
and this this fuel bundles have half well I think
it's a half life of ten thousand years so
so you know they're just as radio active now as
when they came out of reactor
so I I just
you know I I quite frankly it's kind of late
to be getting into the details on this one for
... salt I guess I'll just save it for council
but I
I I would ask that if if they can distribute
during regions
report to council or I could do it myself I
guess but I thought it was just
well later in terms of what the issue is and
my my view is
there won't be anything removed from this from there are
from junction reactor until things been decommissioned so that's the
way it's trending so ...
I mean Pickering ... is the same and that's going
to get the commission I guess starting next year you're
after but nothing's ever been removed virtually from Pickering and
nothing will get removed from dark
so these these dates are
are probably 20 years
optimistic you're optimistic probably by at least ten to twenty
years and
so I'm sure it'll be shut down
our guards will be shut down before anything gets removed
if anything gets removed and
he what's kind of odd to me is
D. it also all these communities are turning it down
yeah we're we are the default restorer of nuclear waste
and I think if I was a
I worked in general OPG I think I
he kind of
I'd be little bit concerned about you know one of
one this is going to lead the plant and do
I spend my whole working life for example
where you know there's low level he's got there's some
level of
of a fact you know because there's a three kilometer
exclusion zone so I assume that's put in there for
a reason ... so I just don't think we're we're
really yeah
basically ... you coming out force one of Thomas and
but I'm not prepared to get into that now I
guess all public counsel
but I think the reason report really laid out the
facts very well on those topics thanks
our concern is you know the reasons report is running
it from sixteen point two
50
are you saying it is linked with living here it's
going to
well I'm just going by the hard copy so if
everybody's got
regional corporation all all all reserve my comments don't counseling
we've been out this long enough to
thanks
are there any other
question back on each
mayor foster
well thank you Mister chair so you know yes ...
were were concerned were worried ... you know and yes
work is being done ... this policy review ... being
a significance a piece of that work I am very
concerned with a couple statements ever just made our laps
... workers at the plant ... must suffer some sort
of ill effects I and you know that the three
kilometer exclusion zone ... it must be there ... because
of some sort of a fact a week we need
to ask the questions first before you make those statements
but my understanding and I have no idea where I
read this is that an airline pilot by virtue of
the radiation that you get when you fly will be
exposed to far more far more radiation ... than any
worker Janet OPG this is the ... you know the
the safety let us put in place there so before
we start talking about people being exposed ... in a
detrimental clash and I think that we need to ask
questions and get the appropriate information and the same with
the exclusions of services all highly highly regulated I am
very tightly monitored beds so the three kilometer exclusion zone
is not because you are at risk of getting radiation
from the plant within that zone that that is absolutely
inaccurate if if we want to ask those questions of
the CNSE the regulator if we want to ask them
of OPG but you know please before we start making
comments like that let's make sure that they were accurate
because those two comments were not
for
any other questions or comments before I go over to
Constantine
second time around concerning yes please
I need a second there for the ride
concert Jones
also writing
are in favor the second time around
yes yes
harm her yes 3
and your post
well
9 here in London okay go ahead concerning
well you know if there's if there's zero issues with
having all that ... nuclear waste stored
and Clinton and Clinton is one of the largest I
guess I mean that's the point rather than the juror
region reporters
is ... region is storing I think almost fifty percent
of the year of the used nuclear fuel in the
entire country
if if there's 0 impact 0 concerns
hope that then why why are we worried about you
know like why don't we just say we'll start forever
which I mean that's what we're doing now were were
but I think there's
there's no
there's the issues around low level nuclear waste ... bowl
even low level exposure so I had a friend that
... you know when I was the one of my
earliest friends he he got exposed
to ... some radiation an out and out place is
working and ... have terrible health effects and I I
didn't say that our workers the workers at OPG are
exposed I'm saying if I was working there I think
I feel better knowing that I wasn't working next to
a million or somewhere between depending on when it gets
removed between three hundred thousand tonnes in a million ...
sorry three hundred thousand fuel bundles and a million fuel
bundles are stored right next to where I'm working ...
so
you know if if there's absolutely zero impact in why
we even concerned about it but I think I think
the common sense would say there is a concern here
about you know low level exposure to radiation that's what
we're talking about here so and there's always the risk
of something happening ... where you know it the way
it store right now it's not in some sort of
deep geological repository which is where I think ultimately it
should have been stored in the first place ... ...
so I think there's there's more than just you know
a magic here concerns here and I think the record
even you know this this report says well some counselors
are what's the word
this used to be heard you know there's some cancers
are displeased while I'm not displeased I'm I'm you know
I I'm concerned from the long term health standpoint of
our residents and people who work at OPG that
... is there ... is there any a long term
health issues that is you know difficult to detect and
you know that this stuff should not be in Clinton
it should be in some sort of deep geological repository
but I recall someone showing up ten years ago almost
saying this was going to happen ... you know and
nothing has happened so you know that's the concern I
have is the total what I perceive as total inaction
on on the part of the federal government and by
extension OPG so were you know OPG salt is part
of this as well and ... they're the ones that
are producing the used fuel bundles and it's really their
responsibility as well as the federal government to destroy the
property so that's all so that's not getting my facts
straight and I I don't think I'm getting wrong let's
put it that way so
bottom line is
yet they should they have to go out of Clinton
and I said the other day you know to their
foster get a date from from get a date one
they're going to get removed and you know I don't
think I'm hearing anything other than they give the estimates
of updates which are getting pushed out twenty years every
time they come back they they pushed up another twenty
years so
thank you
therefore the
one hundred twelve thank you Mr chair and you know
I'm not going to I'm not going to labor ...
this we can get a copy of the transcript I
think if the clerk would look around channel five ...
the suggestions of the three kilometer zone ends out workers
... having risks from that so of course it was
a problem cancer Neil no one is suggesting that the
plan was ever that stay there no one is suggesting
that now ... so yes that should be in D.
G. R. yes ... they're they're working on that they're
working on a site ... section one point one zero
... gives you the time line which is twenty forty
to twenty forty five on that ... can they give
you a specific date when this is going to move
ahead now that it's a pretty significant process and I
think we have ... that we've made the the request
I believe I don't know if we've done it formally
for NW old column so you can ask the questions
up ... but ... you know before we take positions
right I think we should be asking some questions to
find out what is going on with that ... but
anyway ... I don't think we're going to agree we
could probably today all night I'm not sure that anyone
wants to hear us debate all night so ... ...
Mister chair thank you
any further questions or comments are part of the question
are in favor
yes yes yes yes yes
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questions or comments
they're being non are in favor
yes yes yes yes
and your pulled
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Sir we're moving on to new business counselor so art
sprinkler systems
yes thank you ... so this is more about myself
and seconded by ... bear foster ...
I think the resolution speaks for itself ... I hope
my fellow councillors supported them it it has it is
proven that that sprinkler systems in homes will save lives
... it apparently it's forty five hundred dollars to install
when the building is new so you know at in
an overall cost of a building not on a new
hold that that's that's not an old resume out of
money and down when you're trying to retrofit a building
later it it it costs a whole lot more so
... I I think we should down encourage the province
to adopt this the fire an association's been ... at
you know and trying to get this this past for
many many years now and ... I think it is
a good move so thank you
going through remote there any event of math class the
go ahead please
well yeah thank you Mr chair adult games for you
to either a blister ... Windle or or miss Lang
made we had a brief chat where we've done the
secondary plans while we can't enforce the house is there
anything stopping us from including this you know somewhere in
the towers our suggestions to developers to to put a
little bit more on on the side no idea where
it would ...
where it would fit into those reviews that we just
step back from
Abu
hello I'm looking for ideas
we've got a good tool Mr Ali's
well I was gonna go okay Mr Alice's got his
hand up so all taken by truck struck yesterday chaired
do their foster ... I noted on the call tonight
... Brent rice is trying to it's nine oh he's
been a part of several conversations in the past with
the building industry so if with respect I can suggest
perhaps ... Mr rice respond to that question about what
might be possible by way of a dialogue on that
front
thank you for rice grad
good evening everyone and through the chair to foster ...
as a Strauss noted ... through the various organizations that
I'm part of ... as chief building official over the
years there have been numerous discussions about ... adding sprinkler
systems to the building code for ... single family homes
townhouses
it's well received among the the building official
sector ... Ennis counts resort indicated the fire chiefs association
has been
moving
to have this added to the building code as well
to date there have been no uptake from the province
to include it ... I indicated in an email to
council sort that that I am in favor of this
I think it's it's a very ... easy system to
install in as she pointed out to the cost is
is very insignificant in the overall cost of a new
home and would certainly go to ... reducing the fire
damage based on on information I've seen and heard at
various meetings I've been out and save lives ... so
I think it's it's a very worthwhile motion and and
a very worthwhile cause to to get behind
okay thank you thank you Mr rice and so the
big question is ... you know is is there anywhere
that we can get this
into our into our documentation so you know we just
on secondary plans and in the secondary plans when we
speak about energy efficiency and I think on the one
it was building design to reduce crime ... any number
of things like that ... is I guess the question
is value but but sort of putting in the face
of the developers I know they complain that it adds
cost to have but as you note on in the
grand scheme of things if you're selling a house for
seven or eight hundred thousand dollars the twenty five hundred
is not a lot and ... when we're looking at
these ... stacked towns in the the density if something
happens in one unit it's going to impact other units
so ...
is there anything we can do to to give this
a bit higher profile right here
well
follow that with you I'm not I'm not hearing anything
back so right now ... I listen are you I'm
from
I'm gonna put on my my former lawyers had here
for a second ... your worship ... it's a challenge
and and several years ago I was actually part of
some of the conversations with with Mr rice and ...
the building industry was not embracing the idea some of
the more some some local ... ... home builders were
supportive of it but those that weren't were quite adamant
that they would you know resist any attempts to ...
have that become a compulsory requirement I think ... if
I could suggest leave that was stock will find ways
we can perhaps ... ... seek to impose it or
seek to request it I think we'll probably need the
guidance of Mr Carmen the process because of the top
of my head I'm not sure of the mechanism by
which I can you know say to council tonight yes
here's an easy path to making this a requirement in
Clarington
okay yet Mr awesome now thank you M. that counselors
work thanks for bringing this up ... it was on
the radar and sort of fell off the radar it's
a really good initiative thank you thank you Mr chair
are there any further
comments from members on council who
researchers think Kenneth thank you because there's a word in
there for us for for bringing this forward ... I
think back when I first ...
the first two were killed saw was that fire liaison
shared
chair and ... this was one of emotions that was
brought forward back then too as well and I would
just like to say ... you know it's
it's it's time to this sort of ... somebody gets
a hold of this and and implements that and by
all the support of it thank you
the current anything further there being none because the constant
how ... concerning a bride yeah it's just a question
what what what what is it with this plan rural
properties as well where's someone on well
our search I don't think it would work out on
my intention may I answer that
you're going to be burned my intention is yes ...
apparently they have to build a reservoir ... to accommodate
a sprinkler system in our in our world ... setting
but yes I do hope that I hope it implies
to rural homes as well they're the ones that take
longer for the fire truck to get to
and and can I ask for a recorded vote trees
chair
yes ma'am you can
is that a PPO plans India
yeah I you know like
I have a commercial building that doesn't have sprinklers ...
so
thank
I'm I'm just not I'm I'm more concerned about
why we're not going after ... older houses not not
like newer ones to me is not the issue it's
older housing stock were you know others are like that's
where the fatalities are occurring that I'm aware of
Masha on its older housing stock which shows faulty wiring
are brought up in a white white white words for
example not inspecting ... and the answer is well we
can't so to me if you're gonna attack the issue
of
fire safety you need to be going out to the
older housing stock where there's multiple units in the house
and so on so as opposed to adding the cost
of new homes sunspots are
Mr rice you had your hand up
residents I think you sure Anderson added just to speak
to the point raised with regard to a sprinkler systems
in rural areas yes ... concert was correct it would
apply to all residential ... dwellings
in the case of a residential sprinkler system the the
amount of water that is required is
substantially less than what we would see in reserve tanks
for a large commercial industrial building ... they're usually not
much bigger than ... hot water tank and they require
a small ... booster pump to provide the pressure with
some sort of ... I have a generator or even
a battery backup system so the additional cost for ...
for residential houses ... or rural housing ... is is
not all that much more than what would be required
in an urban area that has a municipal water supply
okay
I believe a recorded vote was called for the current
I thank you Mr chairman as a motion made by
council as well as segment by meth bust on screen
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Mr are you giving me rock concert and you know
I have a question to wrap
question stop okay who who's presently calling
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so my question is like the the camp 30
I thought I think it was a resolution and said
you know to be a certain number of months to
try to get a resolution failing which there was to
be
an ad hoc committee instructed trader
Russell led to the ground so it what's the status
on that
who exactly that means strongly
or or yeah I like your mind is wrong
through the chair to councillor Neil ... we ... the
consultant that we retain to help facilitate some of this
has had a concussion and so we have had ...
they they have a hard time even doing soon call
so we have had a hard time getting back at
this but we still have this on the radar and
we'll get back to it
get huntsman mail
well I am there was a time element put into
that Mr true it's also I'm just pointing that out
maybe up maybe the clerk could send me the
the resolution that we can pass on that please thanks
if you're in the wrong but now concerning
that's all I'm asking thank you we'll send that to
the card will probably return if you wish okay Lang
Yun motion to adjourn by Collins on me and second
are you certain that they're faster
well I was going to make an observation broccoli at
your learning very quick observation and are going back to
the the Clarington clear ... this committee heard from the
the three counselors that are being swatted
... with that I think councillor Jordan is absolutely correct
... you know something that is meant to impact our
reputations ... and something that
okay you know has
some very very very serious that misstatements of fact
but we don't hear a fellow councillors making public statements
... and you know I I would hope that when
someone a counselor see something like that happening the misstatements
of fact that they would be publicly making the statements
that that should not be tolerated that the facts are
are not accurate I am not true ... and then
yep I thought but councillors work ... Kelsey Hooper and
I heard was absolute silence and you know I I
find that personally very disturbing thank you Mr chair
thank you very much
are there any other
comments or questions now
motion to adjourn move by
Johnson here I need a second of for that
nobody wants to go home Concentra
seconding the motion yeah
questions comments none are in favor
yes yes yes yes yes
yes those
right yeah I would have a good night everybody