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situated within the traditional treaty territories of the Mississaugas and

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any new business is started with counseling Nero

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any new businesses or homes or trailers Monteiro concerts far

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Rowntree from here I need a motion to adopt the

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which one change

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on that there is one change Mr Hennessy which would

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be great would be eight point tool has withdrawn here

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I need a motion with that one change cancer Hooper

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you're moving around and ideally near foster's like the number

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one question that comments

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the IBM 9 are in favor

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they're being non that's carried

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are there any declaration of contracts

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for many members of my own so I don't see

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in the chat several of the of the non

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I am moving along to announcement announced lands council dnia

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our product is close that you're living now

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I have one that you're Mister chair and if I

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could just have a little bit of a leeway here

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zero as everyone knows that thanks I said as the

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council names onto the diversity committee and ... conversing about

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does your committee and ... I just wanted to bring

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anyone everyone up to speed as to what's been going

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on because I think ... ... ... not everyone is

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aware of it the curtains that were seen advisor committee

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an anti black racism subcommittee are currently working on initiatives

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to strengthen relationships in our community and increase collaboration across

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clients in the region to begin these conversations subcommittee welcomed

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Allison Hector Alexander director diversity equity and inclusion with the

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term with the region of terror a recent meeting ...

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there was much discussion about the need for sharing of

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resources and coordination of efforts across the region which shows

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... advisory committee has also invited inspector Jeff Passan of

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dimensional police services to the next meeting may twenty seventh

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to discuss the R. P. S. we just need to

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committee among others on another other issues so I just

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going on with that particular committee and ... are very

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diligent working group and I just want to say ...

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if you do them for their diligence thank you thanks

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Mister chair thank you for that concern over our house

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th no one else bids okay thank you very much

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eight point one which is brought together neighborhoods have never

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Johnson here are you I don't have anything on the

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extension so there's a

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there's going to be a high density housing right up

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against the CPR relying so it'll be between

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concerns that I expressed to Mr cells are was whether

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given its close proximity to not only the CP rail

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line which is backing right on to but also for

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anticipated issues around noise for that the ticket for that

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particular block there so this is it's great immediately to

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questions or comments there I don't know if he's been

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as far as our launch to respond

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for you Mister chair can you hear me well

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much yes there were out there as you can see

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in the land use plan and we have created a

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buffer of at least thirty meters ... green the space

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between the tracks on the designation in addition our urban

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design guidelines calls for buildings in medium density to be

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closer to the road that means Townline road extension I'm

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barking towards the back I spotted the development review process

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we also require Norris's status and those most nicest eyes

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will also determine additional separation from the tracks

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thank you for that there are there any further

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how is this how's it can impact not only this

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part of crescent hill road but Preston hill road you

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north of blood work and as we approach is hiring

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in motion but there's also the one we just approved

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drugs not very long ago as well

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all feeding into Europe this press

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thank you Mister chair I will at the start and

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I will defer back to Mister and miss Russia someplace

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from engineering at I will mention that the facing of

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development is going to be taken over many years it's

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not going to all happen at the same time and

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that the region has plans for the improvements on Bloor

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street as well and that we do those improvements will

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help to traffic in this area and I would refer

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back to me said Richardson please

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through the church accounts for nail as the developments come

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online they will be required to do a traffic analysis

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of the neighborhood and I'm

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positive that person down highway two will probably be one

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of the prominent intersections that will be reviewed as development

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what was up one of the studies ... that they

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through the terror to tell certainly help you're correct they

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do an overall transportation analysis which highlights the does a

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projection of the volumes and highlights the improvements that would

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be required it's a very high level and it needs

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to be more focused as the development comes online it

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doesn't go into detail about what triggers or anything like

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that so that would be done that more for detail

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design stage so the transportation impact assessment report didn't speak

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I'm tired of this media error I'm sorry what but

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through the chair to come sooner it would have been

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analyzed as part as one of the prominent intersections but

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at this time there's nothing been highlighted

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but it like there's not enough information to do a

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residences are believed residences or a population seven thousand which

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a couple thousand car trips up personal wrote alright in

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what's occurring already so

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what really prepared her well for her with the impact's

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little does not plan stand press the rules

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through the chair to culture and they'll extend Preston well

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road north of highway two hello two X. expand Preston

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road numbers it's not gonna become for Lehner or four

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lane road it's gonna remain as a two lane

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2 lane road so I'm just trying to picture another

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several thousand car trips a day coming up with not

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do you up Curtis east

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second requiring some

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through the chair to councillor Neil the traffic impact analysis

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that would be done for the secondary is what's to

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it's a high level so it's a screen allowances it's

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not really looking at the percentage of troops going north

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or south I'm not looking at the official plan Preston

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bell road is currently an arterial cells of the Townline

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road extension so that may tend to that would allow

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for the expansion of Preston bro and that would be

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directly as a result of the traffic volumes at Preston

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Vale road will start to see as the development comes

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online so right now on the official plan it is

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shown as an arterial road which would allow for more

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than two lanes of traffic

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but is there any serious consideration being given to expanding

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2 lanes to 4 lanes north of alert

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so are you saying that's being considered

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through the chair to California right now we have a

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twenty three meter right away north of Bloor street

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so there would be tough to get some property to

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allow for that expansion

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south of Bloor street the person bell road right away

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is twenty six meters

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so that would allow for a ten metre pavement so

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that's two lanes with a center lane for turning movements

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which improves the capacity of the road and then further

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south down beyond the Townline road extension again it didn't

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the category of the road goes up again which would

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allow for further expansion of of the wind so that

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would allow for more lane to traffic but at this

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time there's nothing going there's no plans to widen Preston

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trail north of Bloor

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but then that would be that could be something that

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would be determined through the traffic analysis for the developments

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when they come on line then that would if that

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if they dictate that that has to occur then that

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would trigger the planning for that and how we're going

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to make that work

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this would be the time to be

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I thought that was the whole point of a secondary

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plan was

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to deal with issues that you see coming up I

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can't see how there would be a traffic impact across

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the road I mean to me that's a given

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... so when each individual subdivision comes up for consideration

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the traffic impact study will say there's no impact from

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from the subdivision right right that's that's always

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what daily

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they claim and ... so they'll just be like ...

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it would be like salami and it just gets more

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and more added in

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... and each one will say well we're not responsible

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for any particular impact on Preston road but so from

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my standpoint we're we keep adding more

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houses into an area is basically on the same ...

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traffic set up it's had since I first moved into

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the area

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30 years ago and

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not a whole lot of change right so

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and I think it's gonna be an inadequate you

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do you traffic volumes

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so just while we're on the topic press bureau

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it is talking about

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possibly trying to get a

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world one interchange of Pleasantville road I mean it's not

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kind of pie in the sky type of thinking because

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I mean we can get liberty street or ... sort

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of error or

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I mean even working on harmony road Harvey road intersection

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for a lot of years so now we're gonna

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we just talked with Lanzarote never gonna added crossing the

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road I I just can't see the problem Sir

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putting an interchanging press bureau wrote

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anybody want to comment

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rings Richard Serra is that you

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through the chair I can I think the best situation

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that we can do is planned for the future so

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we know that there are issues that harmony road we

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know that there are issues that Kurdish there's going to

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be issues in the future it Curtis with

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love capacity so this is a plan that would alleviate

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that sort of the way that we would go through

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as we would make the case and then we would

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do the EA and then that we would move forward

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to the MTO

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well I just I just don't see that as being

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realistic in that instance talking about closing off Chris no

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road actually closing it off ...

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so is that is the thinking that Townline road

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extensional Townline road

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east and west which

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then compensate for the closure of of that the personnel

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road at the railroad tracks

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through the chairs to councillor Neil I think the reports

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for that the background reports for that justification are in

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progress so we've brought up our concerns to Metrolinx and

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with about the closure person bell wrote and also the

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we do not want to

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look we do not want to prevent in the future

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that that inter inter change what happened so those are

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two things that we're trying to coordinate with both MTO

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and Metrolinx

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so to to Mr cells are or whoever so

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paying for the extension of for example Townline road

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and fanning who pays for that

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well by the developers

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at three you Mister chair through consular near my understanding

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is that is the extension of timeline is development driven

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and that is the cost of the developers pay based

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on certain levels of service I'm the most surprised it

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would pay a component of that level of service and

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miss Richardson will expand on that okay please

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through the chair to councillor Neil V. developer will be

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responsible for building the Townline road extension through the development

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charge study the municipality would be required to upgrade the

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service from the local wrote to the collector or arterial

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so the municipality would pay for for example the extra

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pavement with

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but nothing nothing no other components of the road

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okay

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so the next thing I want I want to bring

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up is the trail that sort of

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I would think that would be something that's kind of

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an intricate role to this whole plan is

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the Norse of trail and I see this is planned

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for the

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east side of Robinson creek

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and there's a section a brief section talks about it

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but I I don't see that as a realistic plan

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especially given that it shows

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the trail somehow crossing the railroad tracks ... the CPR

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line

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just north of current baseline road in Ennis court I

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mean how exactly would that

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crossing happened I mean there's only a pipe that creep

389
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at that point it's only it's only a pipe that

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goes through under the railroad tracks I guess it

391
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tunnel or that you could

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I have a some sort of pedestrian network bike access

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under threat you know under

394
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read your something like that so I was actively use

395
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a trail going to cross this the railroad tracks

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and they slide road and and someone so

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I threw the chair Ted to councillor Neil at there

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the important things that to look at these other trails

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mop into second that if Kanye did decide to stay

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at the station is a conceptual map at Wyndham's the

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polity is going to that work at they will look

402
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at the detailed engineering design in terms of a sloppy

403
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stability or any other environmental report an inmate well I'll

404
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be on the west side of the creek at this

405
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time at this time he said yes the conceptual on

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the map it could have been on the website but

407
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it it then there was a buy that will do

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the necessary stuff I send a manned up on the

409
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east side of the creek but that we're not that

410
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stage yet

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what I mean

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how how what what is the plan for getting past

413
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the railroad tracks to me is going to have to

414
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somehow find its way over to either

415
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no question bill rolled over the pending on what happens

416
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with that I guess or another

417
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it's gonna have to find its way underneath the

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tracks were goal you know further east along some thoroughfare

419
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which then would you know get to Curtis road and

420
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then go south

421
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Curtis wrote but I thought the whole idea was we

422
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wanted to have

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this trail will connect with somehow ultimately with the waterfront

424
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Truong and where you can go sort of down to

425
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... basically lake without you know what happened across railroad

426
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tracks obviously still

427
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I I just thought that something or

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whoever put this trail on this particular map that I'm

429
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looking at page thirty eight it's just a summer just

430
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draw a dotted line without any thought about how you're

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actually going to by Pat get by the river tracks

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that were based line road or

433
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I mean it it or the start of it you

434
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know ... blue street you can you can you can

435
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safely

436
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get up and down on Bloor street ... ... access

437
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Bloor street so

438
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439
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I got a lot I I guess I'm some just

440
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drip drip ... dross and dotted lines here and ...

441
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you know hasn't been much

442
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planning guide to this particular part of it which to

443
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me is the key thing here and

444
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... you know I've talked sometimes about having a multi

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use path

446
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north and Sophie ... I don't see that happening on

447
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certainly on this where this trip was ...

448
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transitioned on page 38

449
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in response

450
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okay three of Mister chair to consular near a there

451
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the comments that you made about the connectivity of the

452
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different trials in court this is particularly in South Korea

453
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it's a good one we are looking at that connectivity

454
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because as you are aware we have three secondary plans

455
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underway we complete the southeast corky's we are competing today

456
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southwest court case that we get approval and then we

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have to court this waterfront and energy park component in

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addition to the major transit transportation area they make a

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trusted transportation area focuses allowed on trails walkability to the

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station and we're looking at how we are connected all

461
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these components of south court case in a comprehensive way

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thank you

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okay

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Evan graver console if I wanted to see this this

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traffic plan with that is that something I could look

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at

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the year of

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I was referred to in a sense the traffic

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Sir what is referred to as the transportation impact assessment

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report

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but some I could see a yes that all dead

472
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to you Mister chair all the technical reports are available

473
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upon request I would gladly will send you a copy

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and to the other members of council as well

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okay thank you

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so I guess to sum up the concerns I have

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are proximity of residential lands to grow

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railroad tracks I can't think of any other place in

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the misspelled and we're

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we're gonna have homes backing right on to

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not one realignment to rail lines as well as the

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four one

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if you look at

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again page 38 so

485
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486
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perhaps this would be more suitable for employment lands but

487
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the page 38 it just it really illustrates

488
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the ... issue that has been created there've got concerns

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about

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Westerville road

491
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and like I said I don't I don't see the

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trails

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having been well sort of

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she well planned here that's also and I I thought

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that was one of the key things that

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one of the key components for this full

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again I've heard about it quite a bit over the

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last number of years ...

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so thank you

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bank accounts on the concert grounds

501
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concert Jones you may be muted yeah

502
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yes I was having knee problems are thank you ...

503
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I agree with a lot of the concerns that cancer

504
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Neil has brought up they were on my list as

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well ...

506
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I guess I a couple other questions it on some

507
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of the things that he did touch on the ...

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the special studies is study area for the four oh

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one interchange ... kind of alluded to that but like

510
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how many years in advance and I know you don't

511
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always know exactly but like how far into the future

512
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are we talking about just because I think with that

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many more homes going in there and there will be

514
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a lot more traffic and ... like you stated yourself

515
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that on there already that you know Curtis road has

516
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got some issues and harmony has a ton of issues

517
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and ... so how far in the future with that

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beat because that really will I I really am concerned

519
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about Preston road as well that there's already ... a

520
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lot of traffic on there and this is going to

521
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put even more so and and what kind of pressure

522
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would we be able to put on to Metrolinx the

523
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provincial government to to look at this not you know

524
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in the next fifty years like we're gonna need that

525
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fairly soon I'm just wondering if you could comment ...

526
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Mr sells our miss Richardson on what the experts approximate

527
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timeline could be

528
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three researchers to consider gents have they I I couldn't

529
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speak about the MTO plants but what I can tell

530
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you is that Clinton has been experiencing rapid growth and

531
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we continue to do that the projections are that of

532
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the population is going to increase increase substantially in Clarington

533
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island we had initiated the fees up front of you

534
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with those projections that will give us an opportunity an

535
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off good foundation to talk to empty all on engagement

536
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rings about the needs of the transportation improvements and can't

537
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and I guess that goes hand in hand I am

538
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with this is a regional thing but also with ...

539
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... region transit that I would hope that we would

540
00:31:36,970 --> 00:31:39,650
have some there was really no I didn't maybe I

541
00:31:39,650 --> 00:31:42,260
missed it but I didn't see what much discussion around

542
00:31:42,260 --> 00:31:45,570
public transportation at all and that's absolutely something that's going

543
00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:48,650
to be really really important going forward as well it's

544
00:31:48,650 --> 00:31:51,480
already an issue right now and and we absolutely need

545
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,620
done

546
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:56,430
more buses and and public transportation ... which leads into

547
00:31:56,430 --> 00:31:59,750
my next question around ... the bike lanes so it

548
00:31:59,750 --> 00:32:03,710
said that the collector roads would all have bike lanes

549
00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:07,250
on them so we did have that

550
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:11,470
age so I guess that was

551
00:32:11,470 --> 00:32:15,600
for

552
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,000
I believe it's on in like fanning

553
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,210


554
00:32:21,210 --> 00:32:26,960
not sure if it was also town line cord Vincent

555
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,690
... so anyways the bike lanes that are mentioned in

556
00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:33,580
this will they'd be like the full official bike lanes

557
00:32:33,580 --> 00:32:38,010
or will they be similar to what president bell has

558
00:32:38,010 --> 00:32:41,750
now which are the urban shoulders ... because I think

559
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:43,650
it is really important from day one that we show

560
00:32:43,650 --> 00:32:47,330
how important active transportation is in this area and all

561
00:32:47,330 --> 00:32:50,750
over Curtis the specifically in this area so that really

562
00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:53,320
does meet the speaks to the importance of you know

563
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,890
what counts or Neil was saying about the trails the

564
00:32:55,890 --> 00:33:00,940
bike lanes the multi use paths the ... the traffic

565
00:33:00,940 --> 00:33:02,830
flow all of it is just so important to make

566
00:33:02,830 --> 00:33:05,930
it a walkable community and just wanted to confirm around

567
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:08,180
that the White Plains was or someone I could speak

568
00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:09,990
to that

569
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:13,820
thanks

570
00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:17,560
through the chair to counselor drawings yes for collector roads

571
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,220
we will be planning for on road bike lanes and

572
00:33:21,220 --> 00:33:27,120
they will be the designated with required by the talk

573
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,300
book eighteen is what we refer to and then ideally

574
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:34,410
for arterial roads so we're going to the higher order

575
00:33:34,410 --> 00:33:37,060
roads we would want to plan for a multi use

576
00:33:37,060 --> 00:33:41,480
path so that would take the cyclists off the road

577
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,690
and moving forward that's how we're going to be planning

578
00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:52,030
for our active transportation

579
00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:56,180
Freston they'll road is that

580
00:33:56,180 --> 00:33:58,750
I think that was bike lanes wasn't

581
00:33:58,750 --> 00:34:02,870
is that correct Feb through north of Bloor they have

582
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:07,050
the urban shoulders that you referenced yeah and then south

583
00:34:07,050 --> 00:34:11,590
of Bloor we have bike lanes they are they're marked

584
00:34:11,620 --> 00:34:16,390
as bike lanes and that will be continued throughout the

585
00:34:16,390 --> 00:34:19,800
rest of personnel down south to baseline

586
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,030
okay yeah because right now that they don't go all

587
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:25,250
the way down there is there was quite a bit

588
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:29,590
of cycling traffic on ... personnel so

589
00:34:29,590 --> 00:34:32,860
okay I just wanted to confirm that that

590
00:34:32,860 --> 00:34:35,480
I did want to see like full bike lanes and

591
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,810
other urban shoulders ... what about linkages to the waterfront

592
00:34:39,810 --> 00:34:45,950
trail was there any kind of ... plan to it

593
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,220
obviously the waterfront trails not quite in this ... secondary

594
00:34:50,220 --> 00:34:53,480
plan but it's how I believe most people would get

595
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,220
down there especially if there's bike lanes on Preston bell

596
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,100
so is there any kind of discussion around how you

597
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:02,730
would get over under the four oh one does the

598
00:35:02,730 --> 00:35:06,400
rail lines and how this could be a potential links

599
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,150
to the waterfront trail or maybe that's that the trail

600
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:13,360
that's along the Robinson creek ... basically I want to

601
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,410
make sure that there is a safe way that people

602
00:35:16,410 --> 00:35:18,140
living in says Chris are going to be able to

603
00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:22,340
access the waterfront trail

604
00:35:22,340 --> 00:35:25,260
if someone could comment on how where that linkage might

605
00:35:25,260 --> 00:35:26,580
be

606
00:35:26,580 --> 00:35:31,880
and if there's a plan for it thank you

607
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,150
three you Mister chair to consider Johns at yes we

608
00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:37,880
are exploring all those options as part of the M.

609
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,090
T. SA de major transportation area or to simply Milan

610
00:35:41,090 --> 00:35:45,150
secondary plan together with the quarters waterfront and the energy

611
00:35:45,150 --> 00:35:48,320
park second body plants the idea is that we need

612
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,350
to link all the serious weight that walkability the trials

613
00:35:52,380 --> 00:35:54,700
is a key component of that as well as transit

614
00:35:54,730 --> 00:35:57,090
because of the jobs and they're at the go train

615
00:35:57,090 --> 00:35:58,530
station

616
00:35:58,530 --> 00:36:05,100
thank you

617
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:09,600
anything for the concert grounds those are my main concerns

618
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,550
that I just really want to stress the importance of

619
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,920
the walkability in the community and and the active transportation

620
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,730
part of it that ... there's gonna be a lot

621
00:36:20,730 --> 00:36:22,910
of people living in this area and I would really

622
00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:24,900
like to see it from day one that we are

623
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:27,830
planning to you know cut back on the number of

624
00:36:27,830 --> 00:36:30,400
cars that we have and if there's people that are

625
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,880
going to be moving here from Toronto they're used to

626
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,220
having you know one car ... no cars and I

627
00:36:36,220 --> 00:36:39,530
think that this is a great opportunity for us to

628
00:36:39,580 --> 00:36:43,170
to build this originally and to be able to cut

629
00:36:43,170 --> 00:36:45,690
back on some of that the traffic and the cars

630
00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:49,680
that are there certainly we all have enough parking issues

631
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,150
and going forward if we could prevent some of those

632
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:56,920
issues it would be great and just make a healthier

633
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,120
lifestyle for everyone so thank you very much and thank

634
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,690
you to all the work that was put into this

635
00:37:00,690 --> 00:37:05,480
and it looks encouraging so thank you very much

636
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,830
thank you because the drones anything further from members of

637
00:37:09,830 --> 00:37:11,390
problems

638
00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:15,270
their plans to go ahead please

639
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:18,710
thank you Mister chair I'm sorry follow up with

640
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:24,510
these questions are answered Jones Mister Salazar Mister Salazar so

641
00:37:24,510 --> 00:37:29,220
we we are seeing a greater vision of getting access

642
00:37:29,730 --> 00:37:33,400
to people in current US access to the lake thank

643
00:37:34,030 --> 00:37:38,010
you say that you know when you're reviewing the south

644
00:37:38,010 --> 00:37:43,650
side of those linkages will counter are the interesting

645
00:37:43,650 --> 00:37:46,240
correct for you Mister chair to to make a foster

646
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:50,390
and I remembered that one of the strategic priorities of

647
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:53,790
counsel is district as their quarters waterfront as part of

648
00:37:53,790 --> 00:37:56,880
the court is water from we are planning for and

649
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,420
medium density residential together with a community park I need

650
00:38:00,420 --> 00:38:03,760
to complement that with their job opportunities so they'll be

651
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,320
Jacob quarters and they are they are on the outside

652
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,680
of court to set the energy park you have lots

653
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,140
of people working and living south of the tracks now

654
00:38:12,140 --> 00:38:14,720
we have the go station north of the tracks and

655
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:18,620
amenities north of the tracks and we have right now

656
00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:21,560
with that as part of the planning process is how

657
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,820
do we connect them symptoms a walkability night yes taking

658
00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:28,880
the car keys how do we move people on and

659
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,500
tries Dan trails sidewalks and everything to connect to the

660
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:36,900
official going station and not only from the south of

661
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:40,460
course this to it going station but also from highway

662
00:38:40,460 --> 00:38:43,770
to anchor to store the guy stationed you know we

663
00:38:43,770 --> 00:38:46,900
have the court to set down center being developed right

664
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:50,670
now how do we move jobs and people are also

665
00:38:50,670 --> 00:38:55,210
in terms of walkability trails and bicycle lanes and everything

666
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,020
got worse the go station

667
00:38:58,020 --> 00:39:00,740
thank you and and I mean it is important particularly

668
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,070
cancer Neil's talking about the we pass if you can

669
00:39:05,070 --> 00:39:08,560
imagine the ability ... was someone in your family can

670
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,900
jump on a trail and ride their bikes standing like

671
00:39:12,380 --> 00:39:15,340
specially if there occurs at because I've got a giant

672
00:39:15,340 --> 00:39:19,020
group for anyone that is written there by thinking cancel

673
00:39:19,020 --> 00:39:21,000
grass

674
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,180
that's right I guess that's the year of the year

675
00:39:25,210 --> 00:39:27,280
alright beach

676
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,530
you're right up the hill so but I would not

677
00:39:30,530 --> 00:39:32,210
want to lose sight

678
00:39:32,210 --> 00:39:36,430
cytoplasmic US level what I watch I'm interested in looking

679
00:39:36,430 --> 00:39:41,840
at section one point three the financial analysis ... on

680
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,090
Max we've always said that rose does not grow Mister

681
00:39:46,090 --> 00:39:49,210
Salazar my reading correctly that would end up with a

682
00:39:49,210 --> 00:39:53,700
strong possum all three hundred thousand dollars

683
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:57,850
to you Mister chair that's my understanding that said their

684
00:39:57,850 --> 00:40:02,900
fiscal impact analysis was prepared by our finance department and

685
00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:05,500
they did an analysis of some of the capital requirements

686
00:40:05,540 --> 00:40:09,130
and their revenue that would come to the municipality in

687
00:40:09,130 --> 00:40:11,580
time soft on my taxes and as well as the

688
00:40:11,580 --> 00:40:14,680
search to see development and that's the conclusion that the

689
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,180
right fact

690
00:40:16,180 --> 00:40:21,840
S. Easter can stand ups all asking China

691
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,490
she

692
00:40:23,490 --> 00:40:31,190
good evening through through the chair if I may

693
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:34,660
how about I'll take that take that is that okay

694
00:40:34,660 --> 00:40:37,970
the third this year if I if I may ...

695
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:42,060
foster there there's a lot of assumptions that are made

696
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:45,420
... when we're doing the fiscal impact analysis I would

697
00:40:45,420 --> 00:40:50,380
not necessarily say that you know we're guaranteed to ...

698
00:40:50,930 --> 00:40:53,380
to see that to the dollar the one thing that

699
00:40:53,380 --> 00:40:57,470
I would actually sees that that's actually a contribution to

700
00:40:57,500 --> 00:41:00,350
the other assets and the ability to find some of

701
00:41:00,350 --> 00:41:04,090
the other programs that the growth will pay for so

702
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:10,700
what's not included in the analysis is the asset management

703
00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:13,430
plan for the remaining assets of the municipality which any

704
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:16,240
growth any resident would have access to so that is

705
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,730
a contribution there ... I think when we were trying

706
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:21,630
to determine

707
00:41:21,630 --> 00:41:26,120
the fiscal impact for the secondary plans our main concern

708
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,850
was that the net number would at least be positive

709
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:33,180
so those those funds are actually ... in essence a

710
00:41:33,180 --> 00:41:37,620
contribution to the asset management planner could be considered as

711
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:41,310
a contribution the asset management plan there's also as this

712
00:41:41,310 --> 00:41:44,760
is at this point estimate ... there is some of

713
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,450
the hedging ... ... in some of the conservative mess

714
00:41:48,450 --> 00:41:51,240
up the assumptions

715
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:53,770
right thank you

716
00:41:53,770 --> 00:41:55,130


717
00:41:55,130 --> 00:41:59,040
yeah Mister Salazar were looking at the contribution towards affordable

718
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,910
housing so that was great advancements in Maryland

719
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:08,170
I don't see anything linking us with ... with numbers

720
00:42:08,490 --> 00:42:11,030
on either one of these plans

721
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:13,640
so if you don't measure it started talent you know

722
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:19,210
whether whether your whether you're winning or losing

723
00:42:19,210 --> 00:42:22,230
correct me said through you Mister chair to consular attendant

724
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:26,600
to me to foster there we have estimated Lombard of

725
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:31,130
about one thousand units that and the contribution towards affordable

726
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:34,780
housing is around four hundred thousand dollars from the London

727
00:42:34,780 --> 00:42:37,270
is gripped

728
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:39,860
okay but what we are yeah I mean well there

729
00:42:39,860 --> 00:42:43,490
are some incentives it here we don't have targets for

730
00:42:43,490 --> 00:42:47,590
the number of units

731
00:42:47,590 --> 00:42:52,560
being built into either one of these secondary ones right

732
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:53,660
hi

733
00:42:53,660 --> 00:42:56,700
through the sure to to make your foster what did

734
00:42:56,780 --> 00:43:00,020
we have to offer at the stat that the landowners

735
00:43:00,020 --> 00:43:02,480
groups and the developers have two choices one is to

736
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,320
give us land or provide a cash contribution in cash

737
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:11,090
at the conclusion in cash because being the favorite to

738
00:43:11,090 --> 00:43:14,400
have by the landowners groups that we already have a

739
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,620
commitment of about two million dollars for southeast Courtice these

740
00:43:17,620 --> 00:43:21,590
give us about a four hundred thousand dollars more add

741
00:43:21,590 --> 00:43:24,690
the brook hill that you're going to consider later tonight

742
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:28,060
is about seven hundred and sixty thousand dollars that's about

743
00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:32,110
three point two million dollar stores affordable housing is still

744
00:43:32,140 --> 00:43:34,830
a someone's apology this is new to us I admit

745
00:43:34,830 --> 00:43:38,080
that and we need to write a report to councillors

746
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,780
to how these housing fund will be managed and developed

747
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,980
by by council demands about

748
00:43:44,980 --> 00:43:48,550
okay thank you and work work training at slightly different

749
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:53,320
paths ... yes so so thank you guys report we

750
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,330
got lands and beach cash

751
00:43:56,330 --> 00:43:59,400
but I'm wondering how we start building in some part

752
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,890
numbers in terms of the nature of knowledge that is

753
00:44:02,890 --> 00:44:08,610
required Mr Shearer Hey Steve got your end up selling

754
00:44:08,830 --> 00:44:11,720
low if you want to your lawyer and then a

755
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:13,100
perfect

756
00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:16,360
all right

757
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:22,470
what was this war

758
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:26,430
number of number of questions

759
00:44:26,430 --> 00:44:29,640
right here

760
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:35,030
well maybe we

761
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:38,080
at that sentence just hours are

762
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:43,820
one year how many units do we didn't bring on

763
00:44:43,820 --> 00:44:48,960
so well between us ... in working order five thousand

764
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:52,630
so if you had to look into a crystal ball

765
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:55,330
given everything that's on the bill now

766
00:44:55,330 --> 00:45:01,370
when would you expect

767
00:45:01,370 --> 00:45:04,350
for you Mister chair doesn't really good question and tap

768
00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:08,220
forty since Clinton last year to independent media we had

769
00:45:08,220 --> 00:45:10,740
a we had about a thousand units that was one

770
00:45:10,740 --> 00:45:12,760
of the highest numbers that we have had a number

771
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,120
of years and we are going to cover time so

772
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:18,660
what exactly we don't know how cold it is affecting

773
00:45:18,660 --> 00:45:21,560
data the real estate marketing trying to we know that

774
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,370
we sell a high demand as you in all houses

775
00:45:24,370 --> 00:45:28,250
are selling faster I was suggested this base continues and

776
00:45:28,250 --> 00:45:31,300
trying to continue investment in what makes the quality of

777
00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:34,300
life grating clientele I would I would say that we

778
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:37,350
didn't one thousand to fifteen hundred units may be built

779
00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:39,780
over the next few years in and you will see

780
00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:42,700
it build out in about seven years for this to

781
00:45:42,700 --> 00:45:44,910
send for their second at a plant

782
00:45:44,910 --> 00:45:49,170
five to seven years ... thank you there is ...

783
00:45:49,170 --> 00:45:51,500
speak to this each

784
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:55,860
there is no way of love low carb zero Carmen

785
00:45:56,430 --> 00:46:00,540
balance yeah as we as we move forward where have

786
00:46:00,540 --> 00:46:02,770
you see that being

787
00:46:02,770 --> 00:46:05,860
so we have that group ... might need they're all

788
00:46:05,860 --> 00:46:15,240
university students speaking to well beyond cold

789
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:17,510
do you Mister chair one of some of the policies

790
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:20,340
that we have in that secondary blasts and this has

791
00:46:20,340 --> 00:46:23,920
been a priority of counseling has been sustainability in building

792
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,950
design that will be promoted as part of our role

793
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:31,290
in the development application process also divisions need to provide

794
00:46:31,290 --> 00:46:34,530
a sustainability plan to the municipality and we are going

795
00:46:34,530 --> 00:46:37,560
to be and collision damage I'm persuaded them to go

796
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,110
beyond building called on beyond the standards of sustainability of

797
00:46:41,110 --> 00:46:44,630
today's been caught well right thank you Mr chair thank

798
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:46,740
you I'll stop there

799
00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:49,760
what was your summer is already gotten stagnant number but

800
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,700
a lot more money well that's where the huge amount

801
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:57,180
of work on this thank you thank you Mr

802
00:46:57,180 --> 00:46:59,070
thank you

803
00:46:59,070 --> 00:47:03,970
Mister mayor art concerts aren't granted please

804
00:47:03,970 --> 00:47:07,290
thank you then on the theme of beyond code ...

805
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,550
well we can't divorce ... force developers to install sprinklers

806
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:12,860
in the new building is there a way that we

807
00:47:12,860 --> 00:47:16,080
can convey that there is an expectation that sprinklers be

808
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:25,060
installed at the time of construction

809
00:47:25,060 --> 00:47:27,140
counselors

810
00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:33,090
yes did I'm not sure if it's probably planning question

811
00:47:33,090 --> 00:47:34,680
our

812
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:41,100
maybe not who wants a playground Carl Mister Salazar

813
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:44,650
does that really well good question I don't have an

814
00:47:44,650 --> 00:47:47,280
answer for you what I could say that if council

815
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,430
says that's an expectation that expectation would be presented to

816
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:56,220
the development industry as going beyond building codes Mister prince

817
00:47:56,220 --> 00:47:58,290
your Hondas ...

818
00:47:58,290 --> 00:48:00,280
oh sorry

819
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,640
Mr Arlington

820
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,790
thank you or I can slander sent the that's a

821
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:14,440
difficult question to answer I think that ... that legislatively

822
00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:17,720
... the municipality through the chief building official has the

823
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:23,040
ability to require compliance with the theater building codes if

824
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,270
it isn't a requirement ... then it's it's a difficult

825
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:30,100
thing to impose on the development community that's not to

826
00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:33,750
say we couldn't explore the possibility for questioning it ...

827
00:48:33,820 --> 00:48:35,990
we have done things like that in the past with

828
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:40,120
some of our initiatives to have sustainable development ... we've

829
00:48:40,310 --> 00:48:42,920
we've asked for the drunk manage work with us to

830
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,890
accept certain requirements to go beyond the building code ...

831
00:48:47,890 --> 00:48:50,150
so that's a conversation that can take place but at

832
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:52,460
the risk of Gaucher oversimplifying it don't think we can

833
00:48:53,090 --> 00:48:55,950
impose it but it's certainly something we hope we can

834
00:48:55,950 --> 00:48:58,760
have discussions with the development community about and I know

835
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,960
that there are discussions that are ongoing now with ...

836
00:49:02,490 --> 00:49:06,280
fire service professionals and ... chief building official across the

837
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,060
province to look at making that a requirement to go

838
00:49:09,060 --> 00:49:13,170
into the entire building we got to this point times

839
00:49:13,170 --> 00:49:15,980
the ... the province has seen has not seen fit

840
00:49:15,980 --> 00:49:18,230
to make that a requirement I hope that helps counselors

841
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:19,610
were

842
00:49:19,610 --> 00:49:21,530
yeah I know I know I know we can impose

843
00:49:21,530 --> 00:49:24,140
it but if we don't ask you know probably won't

844
00:49:24,140 --> 00:49:26,560
get anywhere with that either so I you know if

845
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,220
we could strongly encourage them to rank and include them

846
00:49:30,220 --> 00:49:32,500
in the new build then I think that would go

847
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:35,780
a long way to making the the building safer thank

848
00:49:35,780 --> 00:49:37,980
you

849
00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:44,200
thank you because that's what councillor who are

850
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,880
thank you Mister chair ... my question basically sort of

851
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,820
centers around like quick kills the local representation ... recorded

852
00:49:50,820 --> 00:49:55,080
percent regionally in regards to ...

853
00:49:55,080 --> 00:50:00,180
moving up traffic movement of people and I

854
00:50:00,180 --> 00:50:03,490
I guess I would just maybe to Mister Salazar maybe

855
00:50:04,130 --> 00:50:08,780
... this Richardson to ... how long how long is

856
00:50:08,780 --> 00:50:11,550
this ... builder of twenty nine hundred seventy seven hundred

857
00:50:11,550 --> 00:50:14,430
residents what is the time frame that we're looking at

858
00:50:14,430 --> 00:50:19,280
in regards to doing this ... build up

859
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,980
at three you Mister chair I would expect five to

860
00:50:21,980 --> 00:50:23,740
seven years

861
00:50:23,740 --> 00:50:27,520
and hopefully are the co trainer Curtis will be there

862
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,980
by then and ... because I I like the I

863
00:50:30,980 --> 00:50:34,630
like the other councillors have have great concerns about you

864
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:36,260
know and we don't want to be like what we've

865
00:50:36,260 --> 00:50:41,170
got on a liberty street and ... ... you know

866
00:50:41,170 --> 00:50:44,680
the traffic situation we have there ... we don't have

867
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,590
a an appropriate ... and I I agree with that

868
00:50:47,590 --> 00:50:50,320
we're with the conversation that's been had in regards to

869
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,830
army wrote that's that's the only intersection and Curtis real

870
00:50:53,830 --> 00:50:57,050
people not go past the residence to go to their

871
00:50:57,140 --> 00:51:00,080
house that they live in ... on town line in

872
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,570
that vicinity so I'm I'm just trying to figure out

873
00:51:02,570 --> 00:51:04,450
you know at some point is going to have to

874
00:51:04,450 --> 00:51:07,260
be some really ... a lot of fun gun and

875
00:51:07,260 --> 00:51:09,700
going into you know how we're going to move the

876
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:13,810
people from point a to point B. I. E. ...

877
00:51:13,890 --> 00:51:19,270
therefore it for eighteen four seven ... the go train

878
00:51:19,420 --> 00:51:22,620
... I just have some big concerns about that and

879
00:51:23,410 --> 00:51:25,750
... you know and and I agree with that but

880
00:51:25,780 --> 00:51:28,950
the fact about the that the getting people to the

881
00:51:28,980 --> 00:51:32,940
lake shore there there's a there's a ... untouched gem

882
00:51:32,940 --> 00:51:35,470
that hasn't really been you know we can connect through

883
00:51:35,470 --> 00:51:38,230
their people can take their bikes riding dos well whatever

884
00:51:38,580 --> 00:51:42,430
... and ... I sympathize with what was the comments

885
00:51:42,430 --> 00:51:45,420
that were made in regards to ... someone should just

886
00:51:45,420 --> 00:51:46,930
get on a bike and try to come up Curtis

887
00:51:46,930 --> 00:51:49,690
wrote angle longer street

888
00:51:49,690 --> 00:51:53,200
I'll just leave it there thank you

889
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,580
bank your constable for our concern here are you are

890
00:51:57,580 --> 00:52:01,710
asking for a second time around yes

891
00:52:01,710 --> 00:52:07,610
on semiconductor lad concert Jones questions or comments are in

892
00:52:07,610 --> 00:52:09,570
favor

893
00:52:09,570 --> 00:52:15,370
yes yeah yes mmhm are any of those

894
00:52:15,370 --> 00:52:18,030
they're being non go ahead Sir

895
00:52:18,030 --> 00:52:20,610
so Mr I'm gonna move the the spree referred back

896
00:52:20,610 --> 00:52:26,250
to staff for staff to clearly articulate

897
00:52:26,250 --> 00:52:31,190
where is the ... trail and connections to the waterfront

898
00:52:31,220 --> 00:52:35,630
will actually be

899
00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:48,110
for for pedestrian and bicycle

900
00:52:48,110 --> 00:52:51,860
second the concert grounds

901
00:52:51,860 --> 00:52:55,960
well yes

902
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,760
yeah can I get the speaker Mr church so it

903
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,880
can be this is a a big part of this

904
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,190
and

905
00:53:04,190 --> 00:53:06,130
you know what I I guess I try to point

906
00:53:06,130 --> 00:53:07,770
out we're

907
00:53:07,770 --> 00:53:11,980
I think there needs ... what's been done to date

908
00:53:11,980 --> 00:53:13,910
really isn't

909
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:19,360
a good answer so I'm just imagining if I'm

910
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,140
hi there in this area or just to the north

911
00:53:21,140 --> 00:53:24,420
of it and I want to get to the

912
00:53:24,420 --> 00:53:26,160


913
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,260
waterfront trail

914
00:53:28,260 --> 00:53:30,440
from

915
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,300
you know and not get on a road like cancer

916
00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:36,870
Hooper said where this weather's baseline road or

917
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:40,010
or wherever that's going to eat ... even oppressed bill's

918
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:41,820
going to get cut off and where is that all

919
00:53:41,820 --> 00:53:45,570
going to happen so I don't think it's asking a

920
00:53:45,570 --> 00:53:48,950
lot it's just a sort of laid out in

921
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:52,970
with some thought to it and

922
00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:56,890
what what thanks

923
00:53:56,890 --> 00:53:59,840
given what what's the future road network is gonna look

924
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,820
like as well

925
00:54:02,820 --> 00:54:06,290
thank you for calling service to our ears

926
00:54:06,290 --> 00:54:09,560
speed control under 5

927
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,190
yes I am so thank you ... I thought I

928
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:16,160
heard staff say it's premature at this time to nail

929
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,610
all that down and and it will be it will

930
00:54:19,610 --> 00:54:22,350
be all hammered out in the fullness of time M.

931
00:54:22,350 --> 00:54:26,150
am I correct

932
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:29,750
this document the file as well I believe he's the

933
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:32,390
person that spoke to an earlier

934
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:35,910
hello good for you Mister chair at the council sorts

935
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:38,860
is correct because we are now in the middle of

936
00:54:38,860 --> 00:54:43,500
preparing data working on day gorgeous waterfront energy park water

937
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:45,940
from plants thank you

938
00:54:45,940 --> 00:54:49,790
thank you I I'm prepared to wait or ... yep

939
00:54:49,790 --> 00:54:52,380
what the findings further down the road on this thank

940
00:54:52,380 --> 00:54:53,950
you

941
00:54:53,950 --> 00:54:57,210
thank you their foster

942
00:54:57,210 --> 00:54:59,140
yeah I think I was gonna ask you exactly the

943
00:54:59,140 --> 00:55:01,020
same question and

944
00:55:01,020 --> 00:55:04,520
... for Mister us cells are but it's coming that

945
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:09,860
is why I will not be sporting girl

946
00:55:09,860 --> 00:55:13,380
consular Jones

947
00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:16,410
thank you I'm just a question ... inducted Mr cells

948
00:55:16,410 --> 00:55:20,080
are so if you are currently working on the card

949
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,460
is waterfront suede

950
00:55:22,460 --> 00:55:25,030
did they not go hand in hand together where it

951
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:27,840
would make sense that you know a little bit more

952
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,990
you know neat there in regards to the trails and

953
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:36,020
the connections would make sense if you're working on the

954
00:55:36,020 --> 00:55:38,920
Curtis waterfront as well because

955
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,890
they make sense to work together on it I I'm

956
00:55:41,890 --> 00:55:44,480
sure that you do want to get this approved today

957
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,360
but at the same time like this is such an

958
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,900
important part and it would it would be helpful to

959
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:54,230
see a few more details ... on this especially since

960
00:55:54,380 --> 00:55:57,100
you said that you're you're working on the Curtis waterfront

961
00:55:57,100 --> 00:56:00,300
right now and they are they're very closely related to

962
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:05,260
just wonder if you have any comments on that thanks

963
00:56:05,260 --> 00:56:08,260
through the church to counselor Johns there if you look

964
00:56:08,260 --> 00:56:10,900
at the geography and we are are we are all

965
00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:14,240
familiar with the geography of South Korea tees southwest is

966
00:56:14,270 --> 00:56:19,280
like a separate area geographically from the court is waterfront

967
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,090
and ten dead currently the only link that you have

968
00:56:23,090 --> 00:56:26,390
there is a long court just wrote about what we're

969
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:28,910
trying to do with the court as waterfront and the

970
00:56:28,910 --> 00:56:32,390
energy part is how do we make that connection I'm

971
00:56:32,420 --> 00:56:35,610
out or other connections at this time I have for

972
00:56:35,610 --> 00:56:38,380
their courses were different than the energy per secondary plan

973
00:56:38,380 --> 00:56:40,390
we had at the station of looking at the technical

974
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:43,130
reports what do they mean by technical reports we are

975
00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:47,640
looking at what are the environmental constraints to traffic constraints

976
00:56:47,690 --> 00:56:50,980
dax's constraints we had a nice dish we had six

977
00:56:50,980 --> 00:56:55,240
months away from percent in detail that conceptual drawings to

978
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:59,480
the community and to comes

979
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,260
thank you

980
00:57:03,260 --> 00:57:06,730
concert at all it would add there is just I

981
00:57:06,730 --> 00:57:09,350
really do think that the ... if we're gonna make

982
00:57:09,350 --> 00:57:13,420
this a walkable community and we need to do that

983
00:57:13,450 --> 00:57:15,610
that I think it is really important to have some

984
00:57:15,610 --> 00:57:19,190
more details a run around those connectors in there and

985
00:57:19,770 --> 00:57:21,930
and I think it's important to remember too it's not

986
00:57:21,930 --> 00:57:24,310
just how we going to get to the waterfront by

987
00:57:24,310 --> 00:57:27,230
walking or riding their bikes as and I think a

988
00:57:27,230 --> 00:57:29,740
lot of people think of that as you know an

989
00:57:29,770 --> 00:57:33,970
outdoor weekend activity and entertainment but I think it's also

990
00:57:33,970 --> 00:57:37,760
important the trails are so important because it shows us

991
00:57:37,830 --> 00:57:41,920
how we are going to get around Curtis ... to

992
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:46,720
get to work to get to run errands and

993
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,090
we need to be able to do that without using

994
00:57:49,090 --> 00:57:52,880
our cars and that's why I do appreciate cancer Neil

995
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,660
bringing this forward diet I think we just need a

996
00:57:55,660 --> 00:58:00,060
little bit more detail their diet we can feel rest

997
00:58:00,060 --> 00:58:04,100
assured that this will be a very walkable community and

998
00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:07,350
night there are all those connector trails will be there

999
00:58:07,350 --> 00:58:09,500
so if I want to run my errands and go

1000
00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:11,830
to the grocery store I'm gonna be able walk there

1001
00:58:11,830 --> 00:58:13,420
and I'm not necessarily going to have to take a

1002
00:58:13,420 --> 00:58:16,350
road to get there and then it will be easier

1003
00:58:16,350 --> 00:58:20,730
and for that so that our brains and start thinking

1004
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,240
I can ride my bike there go and get you

1005
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,170
know my fruit today instead of I am a pop

1006
00:58:27,170 --> 00:58:29,580
in the car and drive over there so I just

1007
00:58:29,580 --> 00:58:33,190
think that it's really really integral to the secondary plan

1008
00:58:33,220 --> 00:58:40,090
and all of Curtis thanks

1009
00:58:40,090 --> 00:58:43,980
our

1010
00:58:43,980 --> 00:58:46,500
the files are that you're a hundred up by your

1011
00:58:46,500 --> 00:58:50,310
would you like to respond to that at eight yes

1012
00:58:50,310 --> 00:58:54,160
if I may Mister chair death to consular Johns island

1013
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,910
effect we share and mop with you is the map

1014
00:58:57,910 --> 00:59:01,290
of trails that we currently have on the Carrington official

1015
00:59:01,290 --> 00:59:04,920
plan that shows possible links between north and south of

1016
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,400
the four to one to the court is what the

1017
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:11,650
front measure that tennis

1018
00:59:11,650 --> 00:59:14,180
so that will give you a better understanding of the

1019
00:59:14,180 --> 00:59:17,380
plans based on the Carrington official plan and the linkages

1020
00:59:17,380 --> 00:59:22,450
of districts

1021
00:59:22,450 --> 00:59:31,100
right prone to strut around the restaurant is that

1022
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:32,650
our

1023
00:59:32,650 --> 00:59:36,260
going from their their Hondas are still yeah I want

1024
00:59:36,260 --> 00:59:37,950
to speak to again

1025
00:59:37,950 --> 00:59:39,760
okay

1026
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:40,990
so

1027
00:59:40,990 --> 00:59:44,440
section 7.4 of

1028
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,810
what we're being asked to vote on today's speech says

1029
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,980
all development shall provide for the implementation of a trail

1030
00:59:49,980 --> 00:59:52,950
network in accordance with the conceptual

1031
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:57,400
location of trails identified as key pedestrian connections on schedule

1032
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,880
sees so so what I'm saying is when you go

1033
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,740
to schedule sees a concept of a trail going across

1034
01:00:03,740 --> 01:00:08,050
the railroad tracks so clearly I don't know who wrote

1035
01:00:08,050 --> 01:00:11,510
who drew this but ... there was no

1036
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:17,290
consideration given to the fact that there's that's impossible so

1037
01:00:17,290 --> 01:00:19,580
all I was suggesting was

1038
01:00:19,580 --> 01:00:23,320
come up with a proper

1039
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,890
plan that's reference I mean this is referenced in the

1040
01:00:26,890 --> 01:00:29,130
actual facts of the

1041
01:00:29,130 --> 01:00:34,400
what we're voting on which in fact shows how this

1042
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,730
is all gonna come to pass where we we do

1043
01:00:36,730 --> 01:00:38,470
have a connection

1044
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:42,520
copper connection to ... to get to the waterfront it

1045
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,760
also shows it's going under under baseline road or over

1046
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,770
baseline road I'm not sure but ... that's not a

1047
01:00:49,770 --> 01:00:55,050
safe and passable ... proposition nor is it a safe

1048
01:00:55,050 --> 01:00:59,540
one ... going out across the blue street ... for

1049
01:00:59,540 --> 01:01:04,030
that matter from the north part so it's not it's

1050
01:01:04,030 --> 01:01:05,710
just saying

1051
01:01:05,710 --> 01:01:08,160
come up with some better plans than that if we're

1052
01:01:08,190 --> 01:01:10,660
if you're asked to vote on support and that's also

1053
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,650
recorded okay

1054
01:01:13,650 --> 01:01:15,550
our car

1055
01:01:15,550 --> 01:01:23,120
Mr flowers that you we all wanted to strong happened

1056
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:24,850
right the

1057
01:01:24,850 --> 01:01:30,490
solidbody hundreds throughout

1058
01:01:30,490 --> 01:01:32,430
so would you like me to show them up now

1059
01:01:32,490 --> 01:01:35,330
Mr yes what

1060
01:01:35,330 --> 01:01:39,920
okay

1061
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,380
so can you but could you see them the map

1062
01:01:42,380 --> 01:01:44,910
I have in the screen is yes this is mark

1063
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:50,010
K. of their client an official plan it shows the

1064
01:01:50,010 --> 01:01:54,020
trails that are being proposed a conceptual crowds throughout the

1065
01:01:54,020 --> 01:01:57,630
municipality I hear you have the court is waterfront trail

1066
01:01:58,140 --> 01:02:01,770
the bottom in blue on the possible link is linkages

1067
01:02:01,770 --> 01:02:05,320
from carcasses from highway to down to the court as

1068
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,120
waterfront as you can see those are the two main

1069
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,550
linkages that are being proposed there

1070
01:02:12,550 --> 01:02:16,890
and right now those two linkages are outside the southwest

1071
01:02:16,890 --> 01:02:20,400
Courtice secondary plan area with the exception of this one

1072
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:28,540
here that is there is there the Robinson creek trail

1073
01:02:28,540 --> 01:02:31,350
so it's just to show you that that the planning

1074
01:02:31,350 --> 01:02:35,860
for this connectivity to the court as waterfront from the

1075
01:02:35,860 --> 01:02:39,500
urban areas to the waterfront are how boldly taking place

1076
01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:41,710
as part of the client and office account and he's

1077
01:02:41,710 --> 01:02:44,920
part of that that the planned US map K.

1078
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,480
thank you researcher

1079
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,780
thank you very much because the drones your Honda birth

1080
01:02:50,780 --> 01:02:54,230
second time around

1081
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:56,820
nope just for that stick it down sorry

1082
01:02:56,820 --> 01:02:59,320
so but I guess since I have the opportunity there

1083
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:00,790
so that

1084
01:03:00,790 --> 01:03:03,180
that was the it is very difficult to see on

1085
01:03:03,180 --> 01:03:04,980
the screen very small

1086
01:03:04,980 --> 01:03:07,700
so the want though one red trail at the far

1087
01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:10,510
left street part of the screen that is the Robinson

1088
01:03:10,510 --> 01:03:13,550
creek trail that we're talking about so that trail will

1089
01:03:13,550 --> 01:03:17,050
connect to the waterfront trip

1090
01:03:17,050 --> 01:03:21,420
is that correct or was it more Curtis road

1091
01:03:21,420 --> 01:03:23,580
Mr fathers are

1092
01:03:23,580 --> 01:03:26,580
Alamy didn't bring it up back again please I'm sorry

1093
01:03:27,180 --> 01:03:30,910
no that's okay it comes a very small

1094
01:03:30,910 --> 01:03:32,480
on my screen

1095
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,980
let me increase the tier 2

1096
01:03:34,980 --> 01:03:38,570
that's that's better all right okay

1097
01:03:38,570 --> 01:03:42,770
so yes there thus the conceptual one that was there

1098
01:03:42,770 --> 01:03:46,440
any could beyond a good photo one obviously and as

1099
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,910
you can see here the all of this area is

1100
01:03:48,910 --> 01:03:52,980
part of the court to some plumbing lines goal station

1101
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,180
secondary plan and this is the law the area of

1102
01:03:56,180 --> 01:03:59,890
Dan and what courses waterfront and the energy products secondary

1103
01:03:59,890 --> 01:04:02,400
plans so this one would be one of the many

1104
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,010
links now that we have the station there will be

1105
01:04:05,010 --> 01:04:07,910
minor troubles connecting to bring people to the court as

1106
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:09,600
waterfront

1107
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,810
and their municipal park the court is going to surprise

1108
01:04:12,810 --> 01:04:17,280
would be located right here

1109
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,240
yes so my question was more around the the Robinson

1110
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,760
creek one yes it's the one that is on and

1111
01:04:23,790 --> 01:04:27,910
in the secondary plan and so I think that's just

1112
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:31,570
part of my concern is that we are going to

1113
01:04:31,570 --> 01:04:35,660
have that linkage to the waterfront trail there and I

1114
01:04:35,660 --> 01:04:39,190
think just showing a little bit more detail on all

1115
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:41,670
the trails and how they will be able to connect

1116
01:04:42,260 --> 01:04:46,780
to like I said the getting your errands and and

1117
01:04:46,820 --> 01:04:50,260
moving about in southwest Curtis so that we can cut

1118
01:04:50,260 --> 01:04:53,590
down on the number of cars that we have

1119
01:04:53,590 --> 01:04:55,320
anyways I think that's what I would like to see

1120
01:04:55,860 --> 01:05:02,320
thank you

1121
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,730
our

1122
01:05:04,730 --> 01:05:09,420
councillor near are you are asking for second time around

1123
01:05:09,420 --> 01:05:11,500
well I I I want to ask a question arising

1124
01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:15,060
out of that one

1125
01:05:15,060 --> 01:05:18,850
that's a secular I guess there was second in command

1126
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,560
one thing

1127
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:26,740
concert Jones second row had once in the morning our

1128
01:05:26,740 --> 01:05:30,280
call okay that's going on all in favor

1129
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,040
yes

1130
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:36,220
yes yes

1131
01:05:36,220 --> 01:05:38,580
yes yeah

1132
01:05:38,580 --> 01:05:42,280
there are a near post

1133
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,670
I have been hearing either they're being non star had

1134
01:05:44,770 --> 01:05:46,320
constant

1135
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,260
well I I wanna Mister cells are to put that

1136
01:05:48,260 --> 01:05:49,660
back up

1137
01:05:49,660 --> 01:05:59,990
news

1138
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,240
so I guess my point is

1139
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:09,490
I I can't control the screen but if it if

1140
01:06:09,490 --> 01:06:11,900
there's like a

1141
01:06:11,900 --> 01:06:15,050
a on the left hand side there's a there's a

1142
01:06:15,050 --> 01:06:18,610
trail coming out of the middle of this area

1143
01:06:18,610 --> 01:06:21,620
which supposed to join up I guess with the Robinson

1144
01:06:21,620 --> 01:06:24,020
creek trail but if you follow that so if you

1145
01:06:24,020 --> 01:06:27,240
can't it shows a crossing the railroad tracks which you

1146
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,160
can't do I mean if physically

1147
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,980
can happen right so is obviously not going to connect

1148
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,000
anywhere south of the railroad tracks soon the essence of

1149
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,790
this motion is saying please tell us how you're gonna

1150
01:06:41,790 --> 01:06:43,070
get

1151
01:06:43,070 --> 01:06:46,970
from the middle of this area by trail

1152
01:06:46,970 --> 01:06:50,470
perhaps over to the Curtis road trail and then south

1153
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:52,700
from there that's all that's what that's what this motion

1154
01:06:52,700 --> 01:06:57,420
is asking so is it gonna be by another trail

1155
01:06:57,420 --> 01:07:00,080
is going to be by some multi use path what

1156
01:07:00,300 --> 01:07:02,700
what is it gonna go along the road to future

1157
01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:05,850
road or one of these roads it's being extended over

1158
01:07:05,850 --> 01:07:10,380
to there but just illustrate that because the way it's

1159
01:07:10,380 --> 01:07:15,680
currently configured it can't happen so that's all

1160
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,560
thank you

1161
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:21,550
thank you any further questions or comments they're being non

1162
01:07:21,550 --> 01:07:25,680
show we're gonna Yasser recorded bold on the referral and

1163
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,090
that would be with the exception sure are not a

1164
01:07:28,260 --> 01:07:30,910
recommendation number nine

1165
01:07:30,910 --> 01:07:34,050
that's correct go ahead

1166
01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:37,830
the card whenever you're ready thank you Jack and is

1167
01:07:37,830 --> 01:07:40,090
on the motion made by council now second accounts the

1168
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:43,840
Germans answer for that matter back stuff on screen for

1169
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,080
you now to see seven counts the Neil

1170
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,630
he just cancels what

1171
01:07:49,630 --> 01:07:54,060
no Matthiessen

1172
01:07:54,060 --> 01:07:55,970
no

1173
01:07:55,970 --> 01:07:58,340
cancel reply

1174
01:07:58,340 --> 01:07:59,420


1175
01:07:59,420 --> 01:08:01,010
don't

1176
01:08:01,010 --> 01:08:02,350
John's

1177
01:08:02,350 --> 01:08:03,640
yes

1178
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,260
Terence

1179
01:08:05,260 --> 01:08:12,000
yes merchants lost 33

1180
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,100
this chart ... so just to sum up right I

1181
01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:18,770
don't think this is a good planning document quite frankly

1182
01:08:18,770 --> 01:08:21,830
I think it needs a lot of ...

1183
01:08:21,830 --> 01:08:25,690
in all things I think should even further

1184
01:08:25,690 --> 01:08:29,410
further along in the planning process again this is supposed

1185
01:08:29,410 --> 01:08:34,310
to be third detail it's not official plan and ...

1186
01:08:34,310 --> 01:08:36,910
and that's not so I I voiced my concern with

1187
01:08:36,910 --> 01:08:40,090
respect to trail aspect to this but with respect to

1188
01:08:40,090 --> 01:08:43,550
the traffic again I don't I think we're

1189
01:08:43,550 --> 01:08:45,070


1190
01:08:45,070 --> 01:08:48,070
we're just getting more more units on the ground with

1191
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:50,480
a really ...

1192
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:52,640
coming to grips with

1193
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,030
the issues around Preston Vale road is just going to

1194
01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:58,940
continue to build up more and more ... traffic on

1195
01:08:58,940 --> 01:09:03,460
that particular road which is not built to accommodate and

1196
01:09:03,460 --> 01:09:07,380
... and I did have some concerns about the proximity

1197
01:09:07,380 --> 01:09:08,850
of a lot of

1198
01:09:08,850 --> 01:09:13,250
residential units to wrap you know what

1199
01:09:13,250 --> 01:09:16,080
2 rail lines in the 41

1200
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,020
I'm just the one time I walked just north of

1201
01:09:19,020 --> 01:09:21,460
the island well actually it's a fair amount north of

1202
01:09:21,460 --> 01:09:24,430
that and the traffic from the for ... the noise

1203
01:09:24,430 --> 01:09:27,040
in the four one can be quite overwhelming at times

1204
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,640
I'm trying to picture how that's all going to work

1205
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,490
with ...

1206
01:09:31,490 --> 01:09:34,960
you know with these houses really close to both reliance

1207
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,800
as well so you know I've perhaps

1208
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,220
we'll be better left employment lands that the input it

1209
01:09:40,220 --> 01:09:42,540
seems to be just get get more units on the

1210
01:09:42,540 --> 01:09:45,280
ground and locals worry about everything later run I don't

1211
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,910
support that so I I thought this was

1212
01:09:47,910 --> 01:09:51,790
all supposed to be part of you know

1213
01:09:51,790 --> 01:09:55,690
planning where you you didn't have the constraints of of

1214
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,340
having ...

1215
01:09:58,340 --> 01:10:00,900
you know the rush to get a plan of subdivision

1216
01:10:00,900 --> 01:10:04,360
done that yours we're supposed to take our time and

1217
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,030
with a good long term plan I just don't see

1218
01:10:06,030 --> 01:10:08,520
that happening in this one so I'm not sure why

1219
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,140
I'm doctor

1220
01:10:10,140 --> 01:10:11,940
thank you

1221
01:10:11,940 --> 01:10:15,020
recorded vote

1222
01:10:15,020 --> 01:10:19,280
which one can throw

1223
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,930
so the board is run everything except with the exception

1224
01:10:22,930 --> 01:10:24,030
of

1225
01:10:24,030 --> 01:10:26,560
recommendation number 9

1226
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:31,430
under recorded for guys cards for

1227
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:35,170
any man foster son

1228
01:10:35,170 --> 01:10:37,390
well thank you Mr sharing things my motion so I

1229
01:10:37,390 --> 01:10:38,950
guess why not

1230
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:43,710
I'm not lying right I believe that we are three

1231
01:10:43,710 --> 01:10:48,770
years last month at that so the staff of been

1232
01:10:48,770 --> 01:10:52,210
added address but as with the

1233
01:10:52,210 --> 01:10:55,300
the program will be dealing with that later on but

1234
01:10:55,330 --> 01:10:57,570
... a lot of a lot of work has gone

1235
01:10:57,570 --> 01:11:00,970
into this a lot of public engagement we're gonna wanted

1236
01:11:00,970 --> 01:11:03,860
while a lot of things happening

1237
01:11:03,860 --> 01:11:06,320
thank you structure

1238
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:10,190
Frank you're any body I'm not really worrying about that

1239
01:11:10,190 --> 01:11:12,910
whenever you're ready Sir

1240
01:11:12,910 --> 01:11:16,220
thank you Mister chair and it is a mercenary but

1241
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,560
man forced to suck my counselor reporter it is on

1242
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:22,690
screen for you now ... minus recommendation on which we'll

1243
01:11:22,690 --> 01:11:27,370
deal with next starting counts the Neil

1244
01:11:27,370 --> 01:11:29,480
no

1245
01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:32,860
councils what yes

1246
01:11:32,860 --> 01:11:34,960
map posted

1247
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,280
yes

1248
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:39,500
cancel reply yes

1249
01:11:39,500 --> 01:11:42,380
Johnson Johnson

1250
01:11:42,380 --> 01:11:44,570
nope

1251
01:11:44,570 --> 01:11:46,500
and I should just point out that the accounts to

1252
01:11:46,500 --> 01:11:47,890
trail

1253
01:11:47,890 --> 01:11:51,520
is still absent accounts that you're innocent

1254
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,540
yes

1255
01:11:53,540 --> 01:12:03,790
our motion is carried forward to

1256
01:12:03,790 --> 01:12:08,950
constantly on recommendation number and 9

1257
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:12,270
so I was gonna move that the

1258
01:12:12,270 --> 01:12:18,560
compensation to Claritin B. inequivalent amount of your lands

1259
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,580
from the developers

1260
01:12:21,580 --> 01:12:28,710
S. recommender freelance

1261
01:12:28,710 --> 01:12:33,790
because the drones is second in that land our questions

1262
01:12:33,790 --> 01:12:36,430
are how many

1263
01:12:36,430 --> 01:12:39,280
I just want to speak would reconsider so go ahead

1264
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,880
so the misspelled a is for her to close this

1265
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,770
road allowance and I I did ask

1266
01:12:45,770 --> 01:12:50,240
stop in the area involved here but it's fairly large

1267
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,360
piece of land and my concern is that we're not

1268
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:57,420
going to get sort of fair value for it ...

1269
01:12:57,420 --> 01:12:59,640
and I think the only way we will just we

1270
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,690
actually get sort of an in kind

1271
01:13:02,690 --> 01:13:07,030
transferred back from the developers four other extra park land

1272
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:12,260
were perhaps could be a multi use trail ... so

1273
01:13:12,260 --> 01:13:15,400
I think the reasons advanced by the developers really don't

1274
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,670
make sense because

1275
01:13:17,670 --> 01:13:19,440
there were a

1276
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:22,290
you know like all all I'm saying is

1277
01:13:22,290 --> 01:13:25,280
as to what I see there's two separate developers involved

1278
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:26,680
here

1279
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,980
... so each could just simply contribute an equal amount

1280
01:13:30,980 --> 01:13:33,460
of land in a and are either in the form

1281
01:13:33,460 --> 01:13:35,770
of a park or something but for us to get

1282
01:13:35,770 --> 01:13:37,990
on a sort of a normal amount of money for

1283
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:41,160
this area of land I just think this is not

1284
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,690
the way to go in and my concern is that

1285
01:13:44,690 --> 01:13:47,130
seems like when we sell land we don't get near

1286
01:13:47,130 --> 01:13:48,770
enough is what we should do for it and then

1287
01:13:48,770 --> 01:13:52,340
we buy land we're always paying the highest possible price

1288
01:13:52,340 --> 01:13:55,180
so I I'm just looking for a way to guarantee

1289
01:13:55,180 --> 01:13:58,140
that they misspelled it gets

1290
01:13:58,140 --> 01:14:02,100
sort of an equivalent amount of land back from the

1291
01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:06,090
dust that's all and they certainly are welcome to

1292
01:14:06,090 --> 01:14:09,470
builder plans around ... taking over the open road allowance

1293
01:14:09,470 --> 01:14:10,720
but

1294
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:15,360
until this transfer something to install units ... which ...

1295
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,190
requirement you know really a request on value it's all

1296
01:14:18,620 --> 01:14:20,950
next court vote

1297
01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:26,270
thank you mayor foster go ahead thank thank you so

1298
01:14:26,300 --> 01:14:29,790
yeah I if I can address that question to staff

1299
01:14:30,050 --> 01:14:34,160
... thinking that this sounds are

1300
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,940
the you got

1301
01:14:37,940 --> 01:14:40,820
all say that you know that the fabric on the

1302
01:14:40,820 --> 01:14:44,660
secondary plan adult cancer meals of the land needs to

1303
01:14:44,660 --> 01:14:49,390
be in this area ... is this a difficult ...

1304
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,310
you know or or reasonable undertaking on IT service it

1305
01:14:53,310 --> 01:14:56,390
seems reasonable but some were not the ones that need

1306
01:14:56,390 --> 01:15:01,580
to need to work and so helpless items most use

1307
01:15:01,580 --> 01:15:06,560
how easy or difficult bicycle or not advisable this would

1308
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:10,990
be nice ... as far as one class

1309
01:15:10,990 --> 01:15:14,790
ten Mr Forster to it to you Mister chair too

1310
01:15:14,820 --> 01:15:17,670
to me a foster family to be confused as to

1311
01:15:17,670 --> 01:15:21,310
why do you like me to clarify sorry my apologies

1312
01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:26,600
we blitz well instead of ... instead of taking cash

1313
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,690
from the land ... cancer deals proposing that we do

1314
01:15:29,690 --> 01:15:34,840
a lamb's us off and I don't know how easy

1315
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,110
or difficult it is but it looks like yeah so

1316
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,290
looks like Mr Windle what is going to

1317
01:15:41,290 --> 01:15:43,510
and I think it was going to do for them

1318
01:15:43,540 --> 01:15:45,820
the question to him thank you hello Graham is that

1319
01:15:45,820 --> 01:15:48,680
windows

1320
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,300
thank you Mr chairman and

1321
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:53,900
... you attach it to mayor foster ... good evening

1322
01:15:53,900 --> 01:15:56,020
everyone ...

1323
01:15:56,020 --> 01:15:58,930
yeah I mean it with staff as indicated in the

1324
01:15:58,930 --> 01:16:02,380
staff report ... you are our preferred or suggested by

1325
01:16:02,380 --> 01:16:06,200
option ... given the fact that we've got three property

1326
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:10,070
owners are with three separate pieces of right away ...

1327
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:13,590
that would need to be conveyed to them we're suggesting

1328
01:16:13,620 --> 01:16:17,960
that ... undertaking this ... just prior to the planned

1329
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:22,540
subdivision coming forward ... in terms of ... their purchase

1330
01:16:22,570 --> 01:16:26,390
of this property is the most efficient way to undertake

1331
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:29,490
this to pave the way for this the secondary plan

1332
01:16:29,490 --> 01:16:33,110
to be completed and ultimately for subdivision plans are to

1333
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:36,150
be ... to be applied for which are complicated by

1334
01:16:36,150 --> 01:16:39,360
the fact that ... we if we continue to continue

1335
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,190
to own the property ... as Mr pally then it

1336
01:16:42,190 --> 01:16:44,820
then it to it impedes the ability for the developer

1337
01:16:44,820 --> 01:16:48,570
to go forward as planned subdivision but more importantly ...

1338
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,230
from a staff perspective we are challenged to figure out

1339
01:16:51,230 --> 01:16:54,950
what that trade off may be ... we're not exactly

1340
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:58,860
sure of what what exactly are pretty is ... say

1341
01:16:58,860 --> 01:17:03,310
required for for park land dedication or even additional right

1342
01:17:03,310 --> 01:17:06,240
away say on Preston Preston bail the would that might

1343
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,730
be able to accommodate to a multi use trail or

1344
01:17:09,730 --> 01:17:13,080
path ... we're we're just not to act again a

1345
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,640
level that detail and and that's where the plan of

1346
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,720
subdivision are comes in ... in that we would work

1347
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:23,810
out so all those requirements ... described have been predicated

1348
01:17:23,810 --> 01:17:26,320
on the fact that the land would would've been transferred

1349
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,460
to the ... to the developers and then we can

1350
01:17:29,460 --> 01:17:32,630
deal with our park land dedication or any other our

1351
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:36,000
requirements to work through the plains subdivision process we just

1352
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,460
... intimate to counsel that we think this is the

1353
01:17:38,460 --> 01:17:44,660
most efficient ... efficient process to undertake

1354
01:17:44,660 --> 01:17:46,570
thanks for

1355
01:17:46,570 --> 01:17:48,710
thank you

1356
01:17:48,710 --> 01:17:51,030
are there any

1357
01:17:51,030 --> 01:17:54,090
further questions or comments

1358
01:17:54,090 --> 01:17:56,380
on my

1359
01:17:56,380 --> 01:18:01,240
council near I guess you got to Robert

1360
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:05,030
well it's certainly not what's proposed here is certainly efficient

1361
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:07,660
for the developers because they're going to get a lot

1362
01:18:07,660 --> 01:18:11,100
of land for very little money on my mind so

1363
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:15,050
if so what I see here is

1364
01:18:15,050 --> 01:18:17,320
at some point you know like we're gonna be looking

1365
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,630
for trail connection if we have to turn around and

1366
01:18:19,630 --> 01:18:22,860
buy it from the developer we're gonna be paying

1367
01:18:22,860 --> 01:18:25,290
probably 10 or 20 times

1368
01:18:25,290 --> 01:18:27,290
... what we're going to be selling this land for

1369
01:18:27,330 --> 01:18:30,300
my in my estimation so ...

1370
01:18:30,300 --> 01:18:33,620
and what I'm what I'm trying to avoid is where

1371
01:18:33,620 --> 01:18:36,870
we get basically in essence give this land away for

1372
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:40,550
what amounts to a rounding error for the developers so

1373
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:43,860
I don't know why staff are so bound and then

1374
01:18:43,890 --> 01:18:47,500
to do that ... but you know the numbers I

1375
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:49,110
saw

1376
01:18:49,110 --> 01:18:51,970
was probably like

1377
01:18:51,970 --> 01:18:56,120
rice of it would be about one quarter or sorry

1378
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,390
one fifth of the price of a single semi lives

1379
01:18:59,390 --> 01:19:02,930
what we were you know ... and I just don't

1380
01:19:02,930 --> 01:19:05,820
see that as being fair due to us in this

1381
01:19:05,820 --> 01:19:08,090
process so I'm sure the developer wants to get on

1382
01:19:08,090 --> 01:19:11,210
with it I do see some sort of arrangement being

1383
01:19:11,210 --> 01:19:14,500
made aware by the ... you know we have a

1384
01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:18,040
letter of understanding saying you know what this is tax

1385
01:19:18,090 --> 01:19:21,250
amount of square feet ... and we'll get that back

1386
01:19:21,250 --> 01:19:24,730
from you either either in the form of additional park

1387
01:19:24,730 --> 01:19:29,760
land not parkland dedication additional park land or land for

1388
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:33,300
additional trail connections that we need because you know it

1389
01:19:33,300 --> 01:19:34,710
was one of the points I was trying to make

1390
01:19:34,710 --> 01:19:36,020
was

1391
01:19:36,020 --> 01:19:39,300
... we're gonna need probably much more in the way

1392
01:19:39,300 --> 01:19:41,560
of trail connections and what's on this plan has been

1393
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:46,010
approved ... so let's have the developer come to the

1394
01:19:46,010 --> 01:19:48,760
table and help us out and we're we don't have

1395
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,820
to turn around right at the check you know just

1396
01:19:50,820 --> 01:19:53,070
to get something we need a nap that hasn't been

1397
01:19:53,070 --> 01:19:55,720
planned for the day and I I you know there's

1398
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:57,750
a lot of lot of land going to be involved

1399
01:19:57,750 --> 01:20:00,780
here not only this secondary plan but the one next

1400
01:20:00,780 --> 01:20:03,980
door ... so at some point we're gonna need something

1401
01:20:03,980 --> 01:20:05,780
back and I'm just trying to come up with a

1402
01:20:05,780 --> 01:20:08,770
way of making sure that you know we we didn't

1403
01:20:08,770 --> 01:20:12,290
sell low and buy high so it's all

1404
01:20:12,290 --> 01:20:14,650
recordable thank you

1405
01:20:14,650 --> 01:20:16,810
hi

1406
01:20:16,810 --> 01:20:24,120
a recorded vote of council Hooper

1407
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,930
what's your hand up runs over

1408
01:20:26,930 --> 01:20:29,030
well it was it was but I think also deal

1409
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:34,700
wrapped up so I will I will tell

1410
01:20:34,700 --> 01:20:36,680
okay

1411
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,740
Record-Eagle

1412
01:20:39,740 --> 01:20:42,980
thank you German and stuff most moved like nothing else

1413
01:20:42,980 --> 01:20:45,790
like my Johnson Johnson's on screen for you now starting

1414
01:20:45,790 --> 01:20:49,210
to counseling the

1415
01:20:49,210 --> 01:20:50,410
yes

1416
01:20:50,410 --> 01:20:51,880
cancels what

1417
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:53,180
yes

1418
01:20:53,180 --> 01:20:55,710
mythbusters

1419
01:20:55,710 --> 01:20:57,730
no

1420
01:20:57,730 --> 01:21:05,450
cancel reply

1421
01:21:05,450 --> 01:21:10,010
cancel reply your may be muted glanced over

1422
01:21:10,010 --> 01:21:12,990
sorry yes

1423
01:21:12,990 --> 01:21:14,630
Johnson Johnson

1424
01:21:14,630 --> 01:21:17,850
yes Terrence yes

1425
01:21:17,850 --> 01:21:24,860
as carried 51

1426
01:21:24,860 --> 01:21:30,650
mmhm mmhm

1427
01:21:30,650 --> 01:21:33,290
okay spoke with your manager and and so I need

1428
01:21:33,290 --> 01:21:39,670
a motion just fury stress on their ... some PM

1429
01:21:39,670 --> 01:21:44,460
counselor near you ... more than that yes yeah construct

1430
01:21:44,460 --> 01:21:48,600
undergrad comes there Hooper questions or comments

1431
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,100
yeah I've been on all in favor

1432
01:21:51,100 --> 01:21:54,050
yes yes yes yes

1433
01:21:54,050 --> 01:21:57,780
I mean when you're pulled

1434
01:21:57,780 --> 01:22:01,140
they're being lance stroll room we'll be back after seven

1435
01:22:01,310 --> 01:22:02,560
PM

1436
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,000
thank you

1437
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:14,420
thank you

1438
02:59:23,181 --> 02:59:28,391
Hey welcome back everyone you're about to resume

1439
02:59:28,391 --> 02:59:32,041
... the next item on that list is book hero

1440
02:59:32,131 --> 02:59:34,651
neighborhood secondary plan

1441
02:59:34,651 --> 02:59:38,751
delegation of Houston Nick Perez you

1442
02:59:38,751 --> 02:59:43,281
Mister Peres you're you're gonna

1443
02:59:43,281 --> 02:59:46,311
I'm here Mister chair thank you workers for go ahead

1444
02:59:46,311 --> 02:59:48,651
whenever you're ready

1445
02:59:48,651 --> 02:59:52,581
thank you good evening researcher you have 10 minutes

1446
02:59:52,581 --> 02:59:56,411
okay that's good and I'm hoping

1447
02:59:56,411 --> 02:59:58,381
I thought I had five so that's great Mr Jr

1448
02:59:58,381 --> 03:00:01,421
thank you good evening Mister chair and members of the

1449
03:00:01,421 --> 03:00:04,831
council my name is ... nickel edgy and I'm with

1450
03:00:04,831 --> 03:00:07,761
macaulay show me house and and I'm representing the owners

1451
03:00:07,791 --> 03:00:11,571
of twenty two sixty five twenty three oh five and

1452
03:00:11,571 --> 03:00:15,011
twenty three twenty five building bill Avenue

1453
03:00:15,011 --> 03:00:17,741
... I want to note that there is a fourth

1454
03:00:17,741 --> 03:00:21,081
property in the area of twenty two eighty five Bowman

1455
03:00:21,081 --> 03:00:23,791
bell Avenue that I don't represent

1456
03:00:23,791 --> 03:00:26,941
... the properties are on the east side of phone

1457
03:00:26,941 --> 03:00:31,371
bill Avenue and south of Longworth St

1458
03:00:31,371 --> 03:00:34,181
are there for properties that each have a single family

1459
03:00:34,181 --> 03:00:38,431
dwelling others sat relatively far back from the main road

1460
03:00:38,431 --> 03:00:40,371
Bowman fell out in your

1461
03:00:40,371 --> 03:00:43,871
the properties are access by Alain that is called Lyndon

1462
03:00:43,871 --> 03:00:46,001
lane

1463
03:00:46,001 --> 03:00:49,921
and I'm speaking tonight on behalf of these owners ...

1464
03:00:49,981 --> 03:00:54,361
on the brook hill ... neighborhood secondary plan

1465
03:00:54,361 --> 03:00:58,591
the official plan defines Bonneville Avenue as a local corridor

1466
03:00:59,031 --> 03:01:05,581
a priority intensification area and outlines a range of densities

1467
03:01:05,701 --> 03:01:09,541
are required or or possible for the area of thirty

1468
03:01:09,541 --> 03:01:13,761
to forty units per actor two point zero floor space

1469
03:01:13,761 --> 03:01:19,951
index or FSI and up to six storeys in height

1470
03:01:19,951 --> 03:01:26,281
the brook hill a proposed draft secondary plan policy state

1471
03:01:26,281 --> 03:01:29,501
... that local corridors are to be the focus of

1472
03:01:29,501 --> 03:01:34,441
higher density and should have the greatest heights area

1473
03:01:34,441 --> 03:01:38,211
however the proposed plans sorry the lands are proposed to

1474
03:01:38,211 --> 03:01:42,861
be designated low density in the secondary plan

1475
03:01:42,861 --> 03:01:45,781
even though two of the preliminary two of the three

1476
03:01:46,201 --> 03:01:52,471
preliminary options had a higher density medium density designation

1477
03:01:52,471 --> 03:01:56,241
as what we feel is appropriate for the lands

1478
03:01:56,241 --> 03:01:58,951
... the block to the north of the Linden lane

1479
03:01:58,951 --> 03:02:03,391
properties is proposed as part of the secondary plan to

1480
03:02:03,391 --> 03:02:06,411
be designated as a neighborhood center

1481
03:02:06,411 --> 03:02:10,211
which is proposed to accommodate similar medium densities and up

1482
03:02:10,211 --> 03:02:13,041
to six storeys in height

1483
03:02:13,041 --> 03:02:17,331
Longworth Avenue is proposed to shift slightly to the south

1484
03:02:17,331 --> 03:02:20,621
and that brings the subject lands even closer to this

1485
03:02:20,971 --> 03:02:25,161
medium density neighborhood commercial node

1486
03:02:25,161 --> 03:02:29,571
the draft secondary plan also requires a block master plan

1487
03:02:29,571 --> 03:02:32,341
to be developed for the block on the east side

1488
03:02:32,341 --> 03:02:36,471
of Bowmanville Avenue and south of Longworth St

1489
03:02:36,471 --> 03:02:41,541
the area south of Lyndon lane includes twenty years so

1490
03:02:41,571 --> 03:02:45,341
single family dwellings that are far less likely to redeveloped

1491
03:02:45,341 --> 03:02:47,971
into Lyndon lane properties are

1492
03:02:47,971 --> 03:02:51,331
we believe that the block last plan is an onerous

1493
03:02:51,331 --> 03:02:53,181
process

1494
03:02:53,181 --> 03:02:56,971
which sets up the potential redevelopment on Linden lane to

1495
03:02:56,971 --> 03:02:59,381
fail

1496
03:02:59,381 --> 03:03:02,841
the Linden lane properties have direct frontage on a list

1497
03:03:02,841 --> 03:03:05,021
on the local court R.

1498
03:03:05,021 --> 03:03:09,781
they have good connections to transportation infrastructure including the Bonneville

1499
03:03:09,781 --> 03:03:12,651
go station which is about one point six climbers okay

1500
03:03:12,651 --> 03:03:16,781
and is what the closest redevelopment sites in Brooksville to

1501
03:03:17,431 --> 03:03:19,371
the goal station

1502
03:03:19,371 --> 03:03:22,381
the layout of the site makes them prime candidates for

1503
03:03:22,381 --> 03:03:26,491
redevelopment why is that you might ask Mister chair the

1504
03:03:26,491 --> 03:03:28,951
front of these properties are about a hundred meters of

1505
03:03:28,951 --> 03:03:31,951
the frontage of these properties is completely bacon there's nothing

1506
03:03:31,951 --> 03:03:34,811
there the single family detached homes that are on these

1507
03:03:34,811 --> 03:03:38,241
properties is set very very far back to the very

1508
03:03:38,241 --> 03:03:41,481
back of Lyndon lane abiding ... the natural heritage area

1509
03:03:41,481 --> 03:03:44,501
and the creek to the back

1510
03:03:44,501 --> 03:03:47,491
the properties have about a hundred and ninety two hundred

1511
03:03:47,491 --> 03:03:52,411
ninety five meters a width and depth which is sufficient

1512
03:03:52,411 --> 03:03:55,751
to accommodate any transition that might be required to existing

1513
03:03:55,751 --> 03:04:01,641
development I mean scaling down did the existing development

1514
03:04:01,641 --> 03:04:05,921
the owners can't support the low density designation or the

1515
03:04:05,921 --> 03:04:08,901
requirement for walking past your plan

1516
03:04:08,901 --> 03:04:12,051
and are asking council to work with us and to

1517
03:04:12,051 --> 03:04:15,851
work with staff prior to this going to counsel to

1518
03:04:15,851 --> 03:04:20,631
trying to cheat the fall a medium density designation and

1519
03:04:20,881 --> 03:04:23,471
densities on the site that are consistent with the local

1520
03:04:23,471 --> 03:04:26,901
court R. policies along Bonneville Avenue

1521
03:04:26,901 --> 03:04:30,881
removal of the requirement for a block master planned

1522
03:04:30,881 --> 03:04:34,041
which can be replaced with development and build farm transition

1523
03:04:34,041 --> 03:04:41,241
policies to maintain compatibility while allowing Riddick redevelopment to proceed

1524
03:04:41,241 --> 03:04:43,761
Mister chairman also submitted a letter on behalf of the

1525
03:04:43,761 --> 03:04:46,101
owners and I know that's gone to planning stopping your

1526
03:04:46,101 --> 03:04:48,211
courts department it might not be on your agenda for

1527
03:04:48,211 --> 03:04:51,081
tonight to be received but I assume if it's not

1528
03:04:51,081 --> 03:04:53,271
there tonight will be received by council in a couple

1529
03:04:53,271 --> 03:04:56,411
weeks those are my ... submissions Mister chair and I'm

1530
03:04:56,411 --> 03:04:58,881
happy to answer any questions

1531
03:04:58,881 --> 03:05:03,571
thank you very much I see Constand's lawyer has requested

1532
03:05:03,651 --> 03:05:06,711
grab something

1533
03:05:06,711 --> 03:05:09,151
yeah thanks Mister choke choke you saying that that is

1534
03:05:09,151 --> 03:05:13,261
designated low density where were you getting that from

1535
03:05:13,261 --> 03:05:18,221
I was I was looking at sketch

1536
03:05:18,221 --> 03:05:21,011
that actually your point sent me to serve noon which

1537
03:05:21,011 --> 03:05:25,781
suggested that it was not low density so

1538
03:05:25,781 --> 03:05:29,101
Mr carousel as low density three Mister chairs low density

1539
03:05:29,101 --> 03:05:32,891
proposed in the ... in the draft secondary plan is

1540
03:05:32,891 --> 03:05:35,111
before you I'm not sure

1541
03:05:35,111 --> 03:05:37,101
... what was sent to you this afternoon I don't

1542
03:05:37,101 --> 03:05:40,511
have a

1543
03:05:40,511 --> 03:05:43,171
it might have been one of the two options that

1544
03:05:43,171 --> 03:05:48,421
show the property as well interesting it's good yeah I

1545
03:05:48,421 --> 03:05:51,741
don't know but ... the one the

1546
03:05:51,741 --> 03:05:54,691
secondary plan those before you tonight has ... low density

1547
03:05:54,691 --> 03:05:59,471
designation ones

1548
03:05:59,471 --> 03:06:02,981
so as I understand it your

1549
03:06:02,981 --> 03:06:07,381
he's been no studies done to date mmhm ... which

1550
03:06:07,381 --> 03:06:08,941
would

1551
03:06:08,941 --> 03:06:11,691
address the issues that I get I guess for example

1552
03:06:11,691 --> 03:06:15,381
the neighborhood the neighbors to the south would have

1553
03:06:15,381 --> 03:06:18,751
so are you what it what exactly is it you're

1554
03:06:18,751 --> 03:06:20,881
asking that I

1555
03:06:20,881 --> 03:06:23,471
because you know there's been a bunch of studies done

1556
03:06:23,471 --> 03:06:24,751
further

1557
03:06:24,751 --> 03:06:27,461
remainder of the property but not this much not this

1558
03:06:27,461 --> 03:06:30,941
part so are you seeking like a a deferral of

1559
03:06:30,941 --> 03:06:33,491
this

1560
03:06:33,491 --> 03:06:36,981
... well Mister chairman I I know ... I'm I'm

1561
03:06:36,981 --> 03:06:39,461
a bit by me personally I'm a bit late to

1562
03:06:39,461 --> 03:06:42,281
the game I know the owners have been ...

1563
03:06:42,281 --> 03:06:45,541
I have been involved for some time ... you know

1564
03:06:45,591 --> 03:06:49,131
personally I think you know I I don't know if

1565
03:06:49,131 --> 03:06:51,621
it would be fruitful I I certainly hope to talk

1566
03:06:51,621 --> 03:06:54,911
with staff over there over the next week or so

1567
03:06:54,911 --> 03:06:57,621
to see if there's any ... you know what the

1568
03:06:57,621 --> 03:07:00,371
options might be ... I don't want to say that

1569
03:07:00,371 --> 03:07:02,201
a deferral is the way that it has to go

1570
03:07:02,201 --> 03:07:05,101
perhaps it's something we can work with staff

1571
03:07:05,101 --> 03:07:08,041
over the next couple weeks or potentially beyond that you

1572
03:07:08,041 --> 03:07:12,071
know after it sent to ... regional council for approval

1573
03:07:12,671 --> 03:07:16,281
on an amendment ... but I think in terms of

1574
03:07:16,281 --> 03:07:19,781
... studies being done that this is the study ...

1575
03:07:19,781 --> 03:07:23,341
frankly if if your client is to participate in the

1576
03:07:23,341 --> 03:07:25,201
study Drexel

1577
03:07:25,201 --> 03:07:27,921
but this is a public process they're they're taking part

1578
03:07:27,921 --> 03:07:30,461
in the public process I don't think anyone known or

1579
03:07:30,461 --> 03:07:32,821
whether you're a developer who's part of a developer's group

1580
03:07:33,371 --> 03:07:37,401
or a single family detached owner who's a part of

1581
03:07:37,401 --> 03:07:42,351
a second I think they should have a similar ...

1582
03:07:42,351 --> 03:07:44,641
stand on the internet so what if what if your

1583
03:07:44,641 --> 03:07:50,381
plan was for the opportunity to seek a

1584
03:07:50,381 --> 03:07:51,641
Fishel

1585
03:07:51,641 --> 03:07:53,681


1586
03:07:53,681 --> 03:07:57,901
thank you to studies and go ahead and submit your

1587
03:07:57,901 --> 03:08:00,041
yes ... three Mister chair of the the issue with

1588
03:08:00,041 --> 03:08:03,701
that unless council were to grant them an exemption is

1589
03:08:03,701 --> 03:08:07,631
that ... the planning act now restricts official plan amendments

1590
03:08:07,631 --> 03:08:10,371
from being filed within two years what am I getting

1591
03:08:10,371 --> 03:08:12,451
at is it is

1592
03:08:12,451 --> 03:08:15,771
what if you were given the ability to bring foreign

1593
03:08:15,771 --> 03:08:19,381
application with all the necessary studies

1594
03:08:19,381 --> 03:08:23,811
to address all the issues transportation

1595
03:08:23,811 --> 03:08:28,591
access you know neighborhood concerns

1596
03:08:28,591 --> 03:08:30,781
we can't work it out so thank you Mr chair

1597
03:08:30,781 --> 03:08:33,571
that's something I can certainly talk to them about ...

1598
03:08:33,631 --> 03:08:36,691
provided that they did not that the the two year

1599
03:08:36,691 --> 03:08:39,371
moratorium on an amendment was waived and that's something I

1600
03:08:39,371 --> 03:08:41,171
could certainly talk a little bit and see if they'd

1601
03:08:41,171 --> 03:08:46,591
be interested in that okay thank you

1602
03:08:46,591 --> 03:08:55,751
your browser are there any further questions for

1603
03:08:55,751 --> 03:08:59,061
they're being non thank you for your plate numbers have

1604
03:08:59,061 --> 03:09:00,841
misinformation

1605
03:09:00,841 --> 03:09:11,781
thank you Mr chair

1606
03:09:15,101 --> 03:09:16,341
so

1607
03:09:16,341 --> 03:09:21,501
hello remover until 8.3

1608
03:09:21,501 --> 03:09:26,741
our repair the secondary plan update

1609
03:09:26,741 --> 03:09:33,171
from there near a charge additional public comments

1610
03:09:33,171 --> 03:09:36,041
I need a motion for about these

1611
03:09:36,041 --> 03:09:38,881
consular smart remote gonna

1612
03:09:38,881 --> 03:09:42,791
no I've just ... that previous delegate kept cutting in

1613
03:09:42,791 --> 03:09:45,951
and out on my own and what I was hearing

1614
03:09:45,951 --> 03:09:49,691
I don't know that was the same for everybody

1615
03:09:49,691 --> 03:09:52,591
I haven't heard any

1616
03:09:52,591 --> 03:09:55,331
comparable okay right now that's right is it is it

1617
03:09:55,331 --> 03:09:56,901
okay now

1618
03:09:56,901 --> 03:10:01,271
it is now but you're not the previous d'elegance alright

1619
03:10:01,271 --> 03:10:03,961
thank you for your

1620
03:10:03,961 --> 03:10:06,641
thank you all move that if you want okay from

1621
03:10:06,641 --> 03:10:09,421
there maybe that was on his mind I yes I

1622
03:10:09,421 --> 03:10:12,321
need a second of a back

1623
03:10:12,321 --> 03:10:18,271
Iraq plans the Hoover

1624
03:10:18,271 --> 03:10:24,071
are the questions are common

1625
03:10:24,071 --> 03:10:27,221
not near farce the go ahead please

1626
03:10:27,221 --> 03:10:29,591
thank you Mister chair Mister chair I do understand that

1627
03:10:30,211 --> 03:10:33,471
some people are having a hard time hearing you ...

1628
03:10:33,541 --> 03:10:35,541
I get that when I'm in the chair as well

1629
03:10:35,541 --> 03:10:39,941
I think it's because your ... you're forced to

1630
03:10:39,941 --> 03:10:43,241
yeah I have to wear off amassed

1631
03:10:43,241 --> 03:10:47,551
... couple of higher level ... questions on the record

1632
03:10:48,461 --> 03:10:52,911
firstly I'm I'm noting that in lieu in this report

1633
03:10:53,591 --> 03:10:57,681
we are reading that that parking on streets is an

1634
03:10:57,681 --> 03:11:03,911
effective traffic calming measure it which I don't disagree with

1635
03:11:04,551 --> 03:11:08,631
... but but does this give rise to a you

1636
03:11:08,631 --> 03:11:11,401
know a lot of a greater dialogue that we need

1637
03:11:11,401 --> 03:11:15,301
to have with on street parking so we're thinking that

1638
03:11:15,301 --> 03:11:19,431
it is good here we've got limitations ... in other

1639
03:11:19,801 --> 03:11:24,621
spots in the municipality that when when we when we

1640
03:11:24,621 --> 03:11:29,281
drive the planned ... with that with our our parking

1641
03:11:29,281 --> 03:11:34,111
policies and I honestly don't know who that says that

1642
03:11:34,111 --> 03:11:37,261
goes to

1643
03:11:37,261 --> 03:11:41,121
Mr window lying take a crack at that or maybe

1644
03:11:41,121 --> 03:11:44,111
... I don't know if that Mr maciver

1645
03:11:44,111 --> 03:11:48,871
it is on the line that's nice

1646
03:11:48,871 --> 03:11:52,071
well thank you I'm sorry this is

1647
03:11:52,071 --> 03:11:55,561
with the women are you making a profit back

1648
03:11:55,561 --> 03:11:59,861
excuse me yes yes I will certainly ... start I

1649
03:11:59,861 --> 03:12:03,531
think I know a little bit about that ... but

1650
03:12:03,531 --> 03:12:05,651
I was referred to in this nine minute she needs

1651
03:12:05,651 --> 03:12:06,891
to

1652
03:12:06,891 --> 03:12:09,711
add anything additional to what I may say ... I

1653
03:12:09,711 --> 03:12:13,691
do understand it ... on street parking has been discussed

1654
03:12:13,691 --> 03:12:19,431
in personality I believe that ... through our zone Clarington

1655
03:12:19,431 --> 03:12:23,461
process through the zoning bylaw review ... we will be

1656
03:12:23,461 --> 03:12:29,511
looking at parking ... as as an issue in determining

1657
03:12:29,661 --> 03:12:32,651
what the options are to address ... all manner of

1658
03:12:32,651 --> 03:12:35,851
required parking standards including ... on street or off street

1659
03:12:35,851 --> 03:12:37,131
parking

1660
03:12:37,131 --> 03:12:40,021
and I will admit I don't remember if that's a

1661
03:12:40,021 --> 03:12:44,221
study that has also been moved up in our

1662
03:12:44,221 --> 03:12:45,791
in our in our list of things to do but

1663
03:12:45,791 --> 03:12:48,951
I know that there is a discussion ... that we

1664
03:12:48,951 --> 03:12:52,931
would address throughout through his owning bylaw ... project review

1665
03:12:53,011 --> 03:12:54,921
process

1666
03:12:54,921 --> 03:12:57,761
okay I'm I'm looking at integrating so as as much

1667
03:12:57,761 --> 03:12:59,281
as we thought

1668
03:12:59,281 --> 03:13:03,241
one spot or are we looking at integrating everything for

1669
03:13:03,241 --> 03:13:08,181
one policy across all cleared

1670
03:13:08,181 --> 03:13:11,421
so you know you'll get arguments that you know we

1671
03:13:11,451 --> 03:13:13,891
we restrict parking to

1672
03:13:13,891 --> 03:13:16,441
you know 3:00 hours

1673
03:13:16,441 --> 03:13:19,961
you know we we we don't have

1674
03:13:19,961 --> 03:13:22,811
I don't have the ability let's see how fast the

1675
03:13:22,811 --> 03:13:27,311
car overnight and I can tell you that councillors you

1676
03:13:27,311 --> 03:13:31,041
know probably a quarter of their complaints are that someone

1677
03:13:31,041 --> 03:13:32,881
got a ticket for parking in a quarter of the

1678
03:13:32,881 --> 03:13:36,981
complaints are that someone should get a ticket for parking

1679
03:13:37,591 --> 03:13:40,801
yeah I'm sorry I'm just I'm just curious because I

1680
03:13:40,801 --> 03:13:45,741
was highlighted in in this report

1681
03:13:45,741 --> 03:13:49,791
through through the chair ... to verify Astor unfortunate I

1682
03:13:49,791 --> 03:13:53,961
can't ... answered directly to sort of the parking pilot

1683
03:13:53,961 --> 03:13:57,031
portion of it ... but again I believe it's it's

1684
03:13:57,031 --> 03:14:00,981
an issue that that is presented in many nationalities ...

1685
03:14:00,981 --> 03:14:04,241
and and we would certainly whether it's the parking bylaw

1686
03:14:04,241 --> 03:14:11,591
or ... zoning bylaw exercise or urban design guidelines per

1687
03:14:11,591 --> 03:14:15,481
neighborhood per secondary plant at that address on street parking

1688
03:14:15,481 --> 03:14:18,361
issues ... and Austria parking issues it would be ...

1689
03:14:18,471 --> 03:14:21,151
something that would be

1690
03:14:21,151 --> 03:14:24,481
be looking across the entire misspelling okay like that I

1691
03:14:24,481 --> 03:14:26,101
think of this and I think you told me that

1692
03:14:26,101 --> 03:14:28,901
earlier I just didn't just didn't hear you ... ...

1693
03:14:29,041 --> 03:14:33,371
... correctly ... if you're looking specific ... you know

1694
03:14:33,371 --> 03:14:37,831
to this report would you be looking at ... fabric

1695
03:14:37,831 --> 03:14:41,751
lining so the challenge that we have left much smaller

1696
03:14:41,751 --> 03:14:45,821
frontages is that on street parking is like is is

1697
03:14:45,821 --> 03:14:51,091
very frequently that's not doable so so what would this

1698
03:14:51,091 --> 03:14:54,101
be a part of life yeah you know so that

1699
03:14:54,101 --> 03:14:56,761
you can actually park on the world

1700
03:14:56,761 --> 03:14:58,261
and I'm not sure if I like that idea or

1701
03:14:58,261 --> 03:15:00,961
not based on fact

1702
03:15:00,961 --> 03:15:02,941
after the complaints that I get the other half of

1703
03:15:02,941 --> 03:15:04,961
the complaints

1704
03:15:04,961 --> 03:15:07,681
through the charity of their foster can you repeat sorry

1705
03:15:07,681 --> 03:15:12,501
would you refuse suggested fabric lining well so they so

1706
03:15:12,501 --> 03:15:16,111
they don't lie as your as you're developing

1707
03:15:16,111 --> 03:15:21,321
well the areas and we have smaller smaller prejudice yet

1708
03:15:21,321 --> 03:15:24,671
those smaller prestigious quite frequently you can't park cars on

1709
03:15:24,671 --> 03:15:29,281
roads if we're suggesting that parking cars on roads now

1710
03:15:29,671 --> 03:15:32,481
is an effective way of calming traffic how are we

1711
03:15:32,481 --> 03:15:36,101
going to deal with that

1712
03:15:36,101 --> 03:15:38,861
thank you to tear you out it's

1713
03:15:38,861 --> 03:15:42,841
again there there's there there's potentially some combination between ...

1714
03:15:42,841 --> 03:15:46,551
formal zoning standards or urban design guidelines you typically make

1715
03:15:46,551 --> 03:15:49,401
it into when you have smaller lots maybe there's an

1716
03:15:49,401 --> 03:15:53,611
opportunity to ... twin driveways ... that that open up

1717
03:15:53,611 --> 03:15:59,101
some some curved locations for parking ... but better than

1718
03:15:59,101 --> 03:16:03,971
additionally there may be some consideration for ... adjusting the

1719
03:16:03,971 --> 03:16:06,821
right away as to where sidewalks may or may not

1720
03:16:06,821 --> 03:16:11,881
to exist to provide additional ... space on the private

1721
03:16:11,881 --> 03:16:14,951
property for parking ... but but I think we would

1722
03:16:14,951 --> 03:16:17,741
we would look at it the checker guidelines that would

1723
03:16:17,951 --> 03:16:21,531
address something like again twenty driveways or or or other

1724
03:16:21,531 --> 03:16:24,431
options to ... to hopefully provide some opportunity for on

1725
03:16:24,431 --> 03:16:28,171
street parking is I think in my experiences ... there

1726
03:16:28,171 --> 03:16:30,471
is some value to on street parking although it has

1727
03:16:30,471 --> 03:16:33,181
its challenges but there is a balance between private and

1728
03:16:33,181 --> 03:16:37,641
public space parking that can create ... again a balance

1729
03:16:37,641 --> 03:16:40,951
for for for those living living in the neighborhood or

1730
03:16:40,951 --> 03:16:44,191
traveling to the neighborhood the understanding that ... we we

1731
03:16:44,191 --> 03:16:47,821
are still all relying somewhat on our on our vehicles

1732
03:16:47,821 --> 03:16:49,871
okay so it's that's going to be an interesting and

1733
03:16:49,871 --> 03:16:52,231
when I say that I mean it genuinely it will

1734
03:16:52,231 --> 03:16:57,361
be an interesting debate baths whose father man I'm mad

1735
03:16:57,361 --> 03:17:00,601
mad too I think ... without being presumptuous it is

1736
03:17:00,601 --> 03:17:04,591
a typical ... discussion at the plan of subdivision stage

1737
03:17:04,591 --> 03:17:08,621
where developer would provide an on street ... parking plan

1738
03:17:08,981 --> 03:17:11,881
... which would be reviewed ... through through the missile

1739
03:17:11,881 --> 03:17:14,871
power he has to account and appropriateness and location of

1740
03:17:14,871 --> 03:17:19,171
spaces and and again creating ... a balanced neighborhood

1741
03:17:19,171 --> 03:17:21,401
thank you all right I want to go back to

1742
03:17:21,401 --> 03:17:26,751
Mr apologies comments ... regarding three up the property owners

1743
03:17:26,841 --> 03:17:31,531
on that window as if there if they do do

1744
03:17:31,531 --> 03:17:36,311
we have the ability to wait wait to your requirements

1745
03:17:36,481 --> 03:17:39,521
... what what would you view as being the appropriate

1746
03:17:39,521 --> 03:17:44,401
steps forward ... and the second part ... on that

1747
03:17:45,241 --> 03:17:48,041
day you know can can be area of the broken

1748
03:17:48,041 --> 03:17:53,201
into the house into two spots the northern portion of

1749
03:17:53,201 --> 03:17:57,341
the southern portion so certainly what Caitlyn is proposing is

1750
03:17:57,341 --> 03:18:01,871
quite different from the higher density that's being proposed by

1751
03:18:01,871 --> 03:18:06,191
the three property owners of the land

1752
03:18:06,191 --> 03:18:10,311
through through the chair ... tutti America foster and again

1753
03:18:10,311 --> 03:18:12,751
I will I will provide ... Mister cells are an

1754
03:18:12,751 --> 03:18:16,071
opportunity to add to the to my my answer is

1755
03:18:16,101 --> 03:18:21,561
is need be ... yes council can take the opportunity

1756
03:18:21,561 --> 03:18:26,771
to ... to allow for amendments ... inside that that

1757
03:18:26,771 --> 03:18:29,741
two year moratorium that comes from the planning act ...

1758
03:18:29,741 --> 03:18:32,061
but I might back it back or something open suggest

1759
03:18:32,591 --> 03:18:36,111
we provide you with a recommendation our recommendation is that

1760
03:18:36,111 --> 03:18:39,891
the block master plan really does exactly what Mr plan

1761
03:18:39,891 --> 03:18:42,811
G. is suggesting if they're willing to to do all

1762
03:18:42,811 --> 03:18:46,091
the reports and studies in an undertaker planning we're just

1763
03:18:46,091 --> 03:18:49,761
suggesting that that happens with in a master block transplant

1764
03:18:49,761 --> 03:18:53,991
process that balances all the interests gives the opportunity of

1765
03:18:53,991 --> 03:18:57,501
all all property owners to get involved ... it would

1766
03:18:57,501 --> 03:19:01,261
include a review of the the transportation network the environmental

1767
03:19:01,261 --> 03:19:06,741
considerations appropriate locked apps densities ... we do recognize that

1768
03:19:06,741 --> 03:19:10,761
there is an opportunity for for a potential future development

1769
03:19:10,761 --> 03:19:13,591
in these locations but we do our due also to

1770
03:19:13,591 --> 03:19:16,671
know that this is an existing residential neighborhood with certain

1771
03:19:16,671 --> 03:19:20,361
characteristics ... that we are suggesting to council is the

1772
03:19:20,751 --> 03:19:23,801
the best option to consider the future of this neighborhood

1773
03:19:23,971 --> 03:19:27,421
with this porcelain neighborhood is through a block masterplan

1774
03:19:27,421 --> 03:19:30,261
yeah can I maybe I wasn't listening as closely as

1775
03:19:30,261 --> 03:19:33,161
I should have but I it sounded as if Mr

1776
03:19:33,161 --> 03:19:36,551
plans you might have been ... heading in that direction

1777
03:19:36,551 --> 03:19:39,791
... you know just have some dialogue with you so

1778
03:19:39,831 --> 03:19:43,841
so the second part ... right I can again the

1779
03:19:44,011 --> 03:19:50,041
the Caitlyn proposal is is very different five is it

1780
03:19:50,041 --> 03:19:54,671
possible or desirable to split that says that block into

1781
03:19:54,671 --> 03:19:58,241
two pieces

1782
03:19:58,241 --> 03:20:01,431
again through through the chair to to you ... mayor

1783
03:20:01,431 --> 03:20:05,071
foster ...

1784
03:20:05,071 --> 03:20:11,081
the catering property presents additional consideration ... it in that

1785
03:20:11,081 --> 03:20:14,951
the concept of development is quite dance quite high ...

1786
03:20:15,091 --> 03:20:18,651
by and by geography yes it it looks like it

1787
03:20:18,651 --> 03:20:22,361
provides an opportunity to be separated say are on its

1788
03:20:22,361 --> 03:20:25,201
on its own or or be a part of one

1789
03:20:25,231 --> 03:20:28,141
one portion of the plan verses that the northern portion

1790
03:20:28,461 --> 03:20:32,091
but again both areas into our minds have have similar

1791
03:20:32,091 --> 03:20:36,511
considerations in that yes we're open to development in consideration

1792
03:20:36,511 --> 03:20:39,751
of development but has been coordinated fashion and and a

1793
03:20:39,751 --> 03:20:43,721
proper process to our minds is is the block master

1794
03:20:43,721 --> 03:20:47,061
plan so yes my answer would be is that they

1795
03:20:47,341 --> 03:20:50,831
they could potentially be split out separately if the block

1796
03:20:50,831 --> 03:20:54,721
master plan didn't exist ... and council provided the waiver

1797
03:20:54,721 --> 03:20:57,891
of the ... the two years if the secondary plan

1798
03:20:57,891 --> 03:21:01,661
was approved ... but they then have to go through

1799
03:21:01,661 --> 03:21:06,841
the development application processes separately ... individually but also then

1800
03:21:06,841 --> 03:21:10,821
provide all of the backup studies reports ... including like

1801
03:21:10,821 --> 03:21:14,641
I said traffic traffic circulation environmental all of that but

1802
03:21:14,641 --> 03:21:17,801
again the the answer really to that is we're suggesting

1803
03:21:17,801 --> 03:21:21,501
the council that it's a coordinated ... plan that that

1804
03:21:21,501 --> 03:21:24,261
is the best serves the future planning for this area

1805
03:21:24,551 --> 03:21:28,791
okay perfect thank you for that thank you Mr

1806
03:21:28,791 --> 03:21:31,401
bank your arm as long as your hand was up

1807
03:21:31,401 --> 03:21:33,671
early I don't know if you got tired are the

1808
03:21:33,671 --> 03:21:37,541
question was not answered

1809
03:21:37,541 --> 03:21:40,481
through the chair the question was answered by Mr window

1810
03:21:40,701 --> 03:21:43,001
our thoughts thank you

1811
03:21:43,001 --> 03:21:49,411
next on the list we have come to the Jones

1812
03:21:49,411 --> 03:21:51,361
thank you very much in and through the chair I

1813
03:21:51,361 --> 03:21:54,711
guess my questions are more ... along the same line

1814
03:21:54,711 --> 03:21:58,971
and their foster was just asking about ... around daisy

1815
03:21:58,971 --> 03:22:02,611
block master plan and

1816
03:22:02,611 --> 03:22:05,901
just for my own information so I don't I don't

1817
03:22:05,901 --> 03:22:08,431
want to assume that I'm

1818
03:22:08,431 --> 03:22:11,741
do the wrong thing here is so the two year

1819
03:22:11,941 --> 03:22:17,481
moratorium is that just to allow for the proper planning

1820
03:22:17,481 --> 03:22:21,721
and the proper procedures to be followed like why just

1821
03:22:21,721 --> 03:22:24,591
that the history back from that the planning act why

1822
03:22:24,591 --> 03:22:27,771
is it two years

1823
03:22:27,771 --> 03:22:31,161
through the chair councillor Jones

1824
03:22:31,161 --> 03:22:35,131
as far as the specific answer just two years unfortunately

1825
03:22:35,131 --> 03:22:37,381
the the number escapes me as to whether it was

1826
03:22:37,381 --> 03:22:40,671
... specific rationale other than ... it comes from the

1827
03:22:40,671 --> 03:22:44,971
planning act indicating that a secondary plan is approved ...

1828
03:22:45,281 --> 03:22:47,851
that is more trying for two years and really tuned

1829
03:22:47,851 --> 03:22:51,461
to my mind it was to ensure that

1830
03:22:51,461 --> 03:22:54,731
a long range planning document like this goes through a

1831
03:22:54,731 --> 03:22:58,671
very rigorous public process a local council goes through their

1832
03:22:58,671 --> 03:23:01,531
all their good work to it to a doctor ...

1833
03:23:01,641 --> 03:23:04,831
it a secondary plan which is actually officially an official

1834
03:23:04,831 --> 03:23:08,521
plan amendment ... and then to have it be at

1835
03:23:08,521 --> 03:23:12,581
the risk of sounding ... crass being picked apart ...

1836
03:23:12,581 --> 03:23:15,451
you know within six months of its adoption ... what

1837
03:23:15,451 --> 03:23:19,241
with applicants requesting changes it was provide some stability so

1838
03:23:19,241 --> 03:23:21,961
to to solidify the yeah the good work of local

1839
03:23:21,961 --> 03:23:24,851
councils due to set these are the these plans in

1840
03:23:24,851 --> 03:23:28,431
place

1841
03:23:28,431 --> 03:23:32,181
okay I I totally understand us ... that's what I

1842
03:23:32,181 --> 03:23:35,271
was thinking ... I'm just I'm trying to get some

1843
03:23:35,271 --> 03:23:39,561
creative ideas here on how to ... to get a

1844
03:23:39,561 --> 03:23:43,121
compromise and in this area and that it does sound

1845
03:23:43,121 --> 03:23:46,511
like you know there's there's certain groups here that feel

1846
03:23:46,511 --> 03:23:49,381
that the two years is is a hindrance to them

1847
03:23:49,381 --> 03:23:51,451
and I'm also thinking of the other side of it

1848
03:23:51,451 --> 03:23:55,391
too is that ... you know it is this area

1849
03:23:55,391 --> 03:23:59,741
of words to developed or changed after going through obviously

1850
03:23:59,741 --> 03:24:05,051
the proper processes and applications and and studies and everything

1851
03:24:05,591 --> 03:24:10,401
but I think it could really help our economy and

1852
03:24:10,431 --> 03:24:13,591
and clearing ten and you know if there was more

1853
03:24:13,591 --> 03:24:16,021
building in this area it's going to provide more jobs

1854
03:24:16,021 --> 03:24:18,681
it's going to be like right now also there and

1855
03:24:18,681 --> 03:24:21,161
there are so many people trying to move declaring ten

1856
03:24:21,161 --> 03:24:24,781
and I I'm just worried that if we wait the

1857
03:24:24,781 --> 03:24:28,901
two years and then ... you know further time is

1858
03:24:28,901 --> 03:24:33,051
spent after that that I'm worried a little bit from

1859
03:24:33,091 --> 03:24:37,711
a planning perspective that will we miss some opportunities here

1860
03:24:37,711 --> 03:24:41,881
to really you know further develop that area

1861
03:24:41,881 --> 03:24:43,981
and I would hate to miss out on that so

1862
03:24:44,051 --> 03:24:46,911
I'm leaning towards thinking if if we can do something

1863
03:24:46,911 --> 03:24:50,821
to to waive that time period but ... I will

1864
03:24:50,821 --> 03:24:54,471
listen to other further comments as we ...

1865
03:24:54,471 --> 03:24:56,801
go through the meeting tonight I think that's my questions

1866
03:24:56,801 --> 03:24:59,441
for now but hopefully the chair will allow me maybe

1867
03:24:59,441 --> 03:25:01,861
second time around if I do have some further questions

1868
03:25:01,891 --> 03:25:03,511
thank you

1869
03:25:03,511 --> 03:25:09,931
thank you very much announcement comes as far

1870
03:25:09,931 --> 03:25:12,651
thank you in just like this afternoon I was wondering

1871
03:25:12,651 --> 03:25:17,141
your staff could ... make some ... gentle encouragements to

1872
03:25:17,141 --> 03:25:21,191
the developers to include sprinklers in their new buildings thank

1873
03:25:21,191 --> 03:25:25,411
you

1874
03:25:25,411 --> 03:25:28,761
our annual on ways to comment on that

1875
03:25:28,761 --> 03:25:35,621
how are

1876
03:25:35,621 --> 03:25:37,581
as long as you want to take a crack at

1877
03:25:37,581 --> 03:25:44,191
one

1878
03:25:44,191 --> 03:25:49,781
through the chair to councillors ward ... staff can encourage

1879
03:25:49,781 --> 03:25:54,501
that ... as stated earlier this afternoon it is not

1880
03:25:54,501 --> 03:25:58,111
part of the building code as of yet ... the

1881
03:25:58,111 --> 03:26:02,781
chief building officials and the fire ... chiefs of Ontario

1882
03:26:02,781 --> 03:26:04,931
have been trying to get it in the building code

1883
03:26:04,931 --> 03:26:08,141
for some time ... and will continue to work on

1884
03:26:08,141 --> 03:26:11,011
that but we can also have a crack at it

1885
03:26:11,041 --> 03:26:14,161
as from a policy point of view but we cannot

1886
03:26:14,681 --> 03:26:18,091
... demanded of the developers but if they wish to

1887
03:26:18,091 --> 03:26:21,321
do that ... they are most welcome to do that

1888
03:26:21,851 --> 03:26:24,521
... I can also take a crack at the counselor

1889
03:26:24,521 --> 03:26:27,681
Jones question if you want me to

1890
03:26:27,681 --> 03:26:30,231
of course go ahead please

1891
03:26:30,231 --> 03:26:34,011
well ... the whole reason for the block master plan

1892
03:26:34,011 --> 03:26:38,071
is to be able to plan that area and there

1893
03:26:38,071 --> 03:26:40,591
may be a bit of confusion here that the block

1894
03:26:40,591 --> 03:26:44,991
master plan will not take two years ... it is

1895
03:26:44,991 --> 03:26:47,931
something that can be done quicker than two years and

1896
03:26:47,931 --> 03:26:51,711
and maybe Mr Salazar can address the timing on the

1897
03:26:51,711 --> 03:26:55,791
block master plan but the two of them ... seem

1898
03:26:55,791 --> 03:26:58,651
to be getting confused at the block master plan was

1899
03:26:58,651 --> 03:27:02,301
going to take another two years and then another

1900
03:27:02,301 --> 03:27:05,981
a waiting period for another two years after that and

1901
03:27:05,981 --> 03:27:09,351
I don't think that that's totally accurate so Mister Salazar

1902
03:27:09,351 --> 03:27:11,881
might be able to clear that up a bit with

1903
03:27:11,961 --> 03:27:18,911
it by explaining the block master plan process

1904
03:27:18,911 --> 03:27:22,031
may I miss archer

1905
03:27:22,031 --> 03:27:24,121
go ahead please

1906
03:27:24,121 --> 03:27:28,031
thank you for your researcher at is very interesting because

1907
03:27:28,061 --> 03:27:31,401
they compromise is the block master plan let me give

1908
03:27:31,401 --> 03:27:34,381
you a brief history of their block master plan we

1909
03:27:34,381 --> 03:27:39,441
have had ... there to propose on Sir one moment

1910
03:27:39,471 --> 03:27:42,441
by Mister genesis group on by Kellen Beck came through

1911
03:27:42,441 --> 03:27:45,651
the process of the secondary plan while we were preparing

1912
03:27:45,691 --> 03:27:50,271
a tentative so we consider all proposals and after then

1913
03:27:50,271 --> 03:27:53,441
I leases we came to the conclusion that these two

1914
03:27:53,441 --> 03:27:57,771
proposals on that area west east among eleven years share

1915
03:27:57,801 --> 03:28:00,921
many components one of the company's a share is the

1916
03:28:00,921 --> 03:28:05,001
Greek other Baquba's creek that is one of the obviously

1917
03:28:05,001 --> 03:28:07,061
one of their assets to the community and we need

1918
03:28:07,061 --> 03:28:09,841
to protect them and development has to take care of

1919
03:28:09,841 --> 03:28:13,241
that asset of the community the second element at a

1920
03:28:13,241 --> 03:28:16,711
share is Bombay laughing at right now you have three

1921
03:28:16,741 --> 03:28:20,021
access points that you increase with high density you are

1922
03:28:20,021 --> 03:28:23,551
going to have traffic constraints on women we live in

1923
03:28:23,551 --> 03:28:26,321
you I'm not only that but the emergency component along

1924
03:28:26,321 --> 03:28:29,441
high density with one entrance on

1925
03:28:29,441 --> 03:28:33,221
under the other components of infrastructure I'm I'm voting on

1926
03:28:33,221 --> 03:28:36,561
another one that is very important as community participation and

1927
03:28:36,561 --> 03:28:40,561
acceptance because DC Senate this is an established neighborhood so

1928
03:28:40,561 --> 03:28:43,871
having said that back in September when we have the

1929
03:28:43,871 --> 03:28:46,981
statutory public meeting we offer the opportunity of the block

1930
03:28:46,981 --> 03:28:51,631
master plan so what does the blockbuster plan allows the

1931
03:28:51,631 --> 03:28:56,711
applicants to look into it good high density happening to

1932
03:28:56,711 --> 03:28:59,591
said yes and if if Seoul what would be the

1933
03:28:59,631 --> 03:29:03,321
how he was copying the built form the densities infrastructure

1934
03:29:03,321 --> 03:29:06,701
the transportation and the environment the protection of the creek

1935
03:29:07,171 --> 03:29:09,401
that's how you look at the block master planning that

1936
03:29:09,471 --> 03:29:13,971
concept comprehensively on at this time what their block masterplan

1937
03:29:13,971 --> 03:29:18,811
bass on the policies it allows the applicants to proceed

1938
03:29:18,811 --> 03:29:21,761
with the block master plan within that time within the

1939
03:29:21,761 --> 03:29:24,281
next two years they don't have to wait two years

1940
03:29:24,741 --> 03:29:27,111
that's why we wrote the policy they can do it

1941
03:29:27,111 --> 03:29:30,821
now by council adopting the secondary plan tonight you are

1942
03:29:30,821 --> 03:29:34,031
given permission to them to put it to proceed with

1943
03:29:34,031 --> 03:29:35,841
the block master plan they don't have to wait two

1944
03:29:35,841 --> 03:29:40,041
years

1945
03:29:40,041 --> 03:29:44,161
thank thank you our

1946
03:29:44,161 --> 03:29:45,441
any

1947
03:29:45,441 --> 03:29:49,711
anything further from

1948
03:29:49,711 --> 03:29:53,381
I am I am running a grand Prix's

1949
03:29:53,381 --> 03:29:57,491
not going to get an amendment Mister chair

1950
03:29:57,491 --> 03:30:00,561
two up for the lands that are shown in the

1951
03:30:00,561 --> 03:30:03,511
block block master plan that

1952
03:30:03,511 --> 03:30:05,041
the

1953
03:30:05,041 --> 03:30:09,711
clickable land policies and designations be deferred

1954
03:30:09,711 --> 03:30:11,951
and

1955
03:30:11,951 --> 03:30:16,391
to allow the owners to submit official plan amendments before

1956
03:30:16,391 --> 03:30:18,621
the expiry of the two year

1957
03:30:18,621 --> 03:30:21,241
more torrent

1958
03:30:21,241 --> 03:30:25,121
hi there click on the freelance Moshe

1959
03:30:25,121 --> 03:30:29,561
hi consider drones

1960
03:30:29,561 --> 03:30:32,351
are you

1961
03:30:32,351 --> 03:30:33,601
yeah

1962
03:30:33,601 --> 03:30:38,351
right okay gardens I wanted so

1963
03:30:38,351 --> 03:30:43,031
we already gave her some leeway to ... we already

1964
03:30:43,031 --> 03:30:46,521
directed staff to accept ... an apt an application for

1965
03:30:46,551 --> 03:30:49,641
... pre consultation

1966
03:30:49,641 --> 03:30:51,061
hello

1967
03:30:51,061 --> 03:30:56,441
1 owner contest I think it's 4060 even 70

1968
03:30:56,441 --> 03:31:00,891
somebody's not you did Mr

1969
03:31:00,891 --> 03:31:03,831
somebody's not needed 3

1970
03:31:03,831 --> 03:31:06,491
okay thanks Brian

1971
03:31:06,491 --> 03:31:09,281
so

1972
03:31:09,281 --> 03:31:12,481
I guess this would allow that application to run its

1973
03:31:12,481 --> 03:31:14,801
course take

1974
03:31:14,801 --> 03:31:17,771
... as far as I understand you're gonna have to

1975
03:31:17,771 --> 03:31:20,141
deal with issues

1976
03:31:20,141 --> 03:31:23,981
... not just for their own property but for the

1977
03:31:23,981 --> 03:31:26,741
area in general and any of that and the same

1978
03:31:26,741 --> 03:31:30,731
with if if ... Mister ... pop up like these

1979
03:31:30,731 --> 03:31:36,771
clients want to go ahead and do an application

1980
03:31:36,771 --> 03:31:40,171
... they will have to prob presume we do the

1981
03:31:40,171 --> 03:31:43,461
same so another words won't just be restricted to their

1982
03:31:43,461 --> 03:31:46,701
own property in terms of study so

1983
03:31:46,701 --> 03:31:50,021
so I if they want to go ahead and ...

1984
03:31:50,621 --> 03:31:52,471
take a run at

1985
03:31:52,471 --> 03:31:56,901
... something more dense than ... single family or low

1986
03:31:56,901 --> 03:32:00,601
density than ... I don't see any reason why they

1987
03:32:00,601 --> 03:32:02,781
should be held back from that ... I mean the

1988
03:32:02,781 --> 03:32:05,541
public's gonna get involved no matter what

1989
03:32:05,541 --> 03:32:08,561
so I I just see this as a different perhaps

1990
03:32:08,561 --> 03:32:10,241
past but

1991
03:32:10,241 --> 03:32:13,401
it does take into consideration what we've already said to

1992
03:32:13,401 --> 03:32:15,491
Caitlyn which was

1993
03:32:15,491 --> 03:32:18,801
the staff were directed to take pre consultation with them

1994
03:32:18,801 --> 03:32:22,131
and then you know proceed in the normal course right

1995
03:32:22,161 --> 03:32:24,521
I recall that being part of that motion proceed in

1996
03:32:24,521 --> 03:32:26,511
the normal course so

1997
03:32:26,511 --> 03:32:29,401
... and as I understand it they were told as

1998
03:32:29,401 --> 03:32:33,171
part of the pre consultation that there're ... studies would

1999
03:32:33,171 --> 03:32:35,941
have to deal with the entire area so I think

2000
03:32:35,941 --> 03:32:40,231
we got this covered off ... but what it doesn't

2001
03:32:40,231 --> 03:32:44,761
... demander ... is that for example ... hence the

2002
03:32:44,761 --> 03:32:48,601
the group of represented by Mr Peleg he doesn't have

2003
03:32:48,601 --> 03:32:52,861
to work necessarily hand in hand with the cake group

2004
03:32:52,861 --> 03:32:56,631
that's all they could watch drone applications

2005
03:32:56,631 --> 03:32:59,001
I just see that as ... perhaps ... I don't

2006
03:32:59,001 --> 03:33:01,151
I don't see how we're giving up anything in terms

2007
03:33:01,151 --> 03:33:02,161
of

2008
03:33:02,161 --> 03:33:05,321
community consultation or studies or whatever it's not it's not

2009
03:33:06,051 --> 03:33:08,101
it's just giving them a path forward if they want

2010
03:33:08,101 --> 03:33:10,931
to take it so that's all thanks

2011
03:33:10,931 --> 03:33:14,961
consummated before I moved to a foster they marked on

2012
03:33:14,961 --> 03:33:18,381
it on the screen is not exactly the way you

2013
03:33:18,491 --> 03:33:21,801
wanted it to be

2014
03:33:21,801 --> 03:33:25,911
... and and does it ... sorry land land policies

2015
03:33:25,941 --> 03:33:29,291
and designations

2016
03:33:29,291 --> 03:33:34,111
I believe is the wording that should be there

2017
03:33:34,111 --> 03:33:39,161
is that correct tomorrow

2018
03:33:39,161 --> 03:33:42,441
I believe so yeah okay thank you

2019
03:33:42,441 --> 03:33:45,771
are there foster

2020
03:33:45,771 --> 03:33:48,921
well thank you Mister chair yeah just to let Mr

2021
03:33:48,921 --> 03:33:51,821
sergeant are just not can I just ... to up

2022
03:33:51,881 --> 03:33:55,861
bring official plan amendments

2023
03:33:55,861 --> 03:33:59,661
sorry to apply for official plan amendments prior to the

2024
03:33:59,661 --> 03:34:01,071
two year

2025
03:34:01,071 --> 03:34:04,391
after a service is looking along a

2026
03:34:04,391 --> 03:34:07,931
to allow the applicable owners to apply

2027
03:34:07,931 --> 03:34:11,081
for official plan amendments

2028
03:34:11,081 --> 03:34:12,441
okay

2029
03:34:12,441 --> 03:34:18,351
thank you

2030
03:34:18,351 --> 03:34:19,571
thank you

2031
03:34:19,571 --> 03:34:24,111
okay thank you garnered their foster

2032
03:34:24,111 --> 03:34:27,311
thank you Mister chair Mister Salazar isn't isn't this what

2033
03:34:27,311 --> 03:34:32,001
you just described to us with perhaps the ... the

2034
03:34:32,001 --> 03:34:36,231
distinction and I don't know if it's caught here with

2035
03:34:36,231 --> 03:34:40,171
a distinction that ... the the group from London might

2036
03:34:40,171 --> 03:34:43,441
go ahead on their own but if if I was

2037
03:34:43,441 --> 03:34:47,171
listening I I think this does does what you already

2038
03:34:47,171 --> 03:34:49,851
have in place

2039
03:34:49,851 --> 03:34:54,481
good for you Mr sure that's correct there right now

2040
03:34:54,481 --> 03:34:57,801
the block master plan doesn't confirm or change any existing

2041
03:34:57,801 --> 03:35:02,501
land use designations so if I am I may forgive

2042
03:35:02,501 --> 03:35:06,551
it for these resolution is that okay if the intent

2043
03:35:06,551 --> 03:35:10,221
of counselors to allow owners of doppler within the blockbuster

2044
03:35:10,221 --> 03:35:13,821
Canaria to apply within the next two years just then

2045
03:35:13,821 --> 03:35:16,061
you need to say get that as soon as you

2046
03:35:16,061 --> 03:35:20,201
say deferred the land use policy designations you are taking

2047
03:35:20,201 --> 03:35:23,771
away what they may have already today I start ups

2048
03:35:23,831 --> 03:35:26,841
in terms of land use designations so do you think

2049
03:35:26,841 --> 03:35:29,411
tank is to apply it to let them apply then

2050
03:35:29,441 --> 03:35:33,041
I would suggest that yes be saved say that

2051
03:35:33,041 --> 03:35:36,361
with the tires what I thought you said the the

2052
03:35:36,361 --> 03:35:39,961
compromise was the block master plan and I thought I

2053
03:35:39,961 --> 03:35:42,971
heard you say something about they would have three years

2054
03:35:43,231 --> 03:35:46,881
to apply so we wouldn't worry about that two year

2055
03:35:46,881 --> 03:35:49,271
a limitation

2056
03:35:49,271 --> 03:35:51,571
good to you Mister chair dimana toward him under the

2057
03:35:51,571 --> 03:35:54,181
planning act is for two years so if the council

2058
03:35:54,181 --> 03:35:57,351
decides they could apply within those two years after the

2059
03:35:57,351 --> 03:35:59,941
two years that could apply any time

2060
03:35:59,941 --> 03:36:03,531
okay so whoever called well leave a leave that advice

2061
03:36:03,531 --> 03:36:05,871
with the with the mover of the motion thank you

2062
03:36:06,001 --> 03:36:08,531
thank you Mr Salazar

2063
03:36:08,531 --> 03:36:13,221
thank you counsel mayors from there I moved along to

2064
03:36:13,221 --> 03:36:18,531
... comes the Jones

2065
03:36:18,531 --> 03:36:22,981
so I just want to clarify so this would allow

2066
03:36:23,011 --> 03:36:26,891
each landowner to do their own

2067
03:36:26,891 --> 03:36:29,801
Daddies do their own work they wouldn't be necessary they

2068
03:36:29,801 --> 03:36:34,081
wouldn't be tied together Zacks corrected as Mr cells are

2069
03:36:34,171 --> 03:36:39,231
constantly no room the server is now joining

2070
03:36:39,231 --> 03:36:42,261
okay S. A. to you Mr church at the consulate

2071
03:36:42,261 --> 03:36:45,661
in sweat this will allow any property owner within the

2072
03:36:45,661 --> 03:36:48,821
block masterplan area could proceed with an application we have

2073
03:36:48,821 --> 03:36:53,711
been very clear to all dapp prospective applicants or tool

2074
03:36:53,741 --> 03:36:56,891
those who have shown interest that when you do this

2075
03:36:56,891 --> 03:36:59,811
study they need to consider forty cent stake in park

2076
03:36:59,811 --> 03:37:03,461
on Bowman B. creek not only from the north in

2077
03:37:03,461 --> 03:37:06,431
part but also to Steven slang so much of the

2078
03:37:06,431 --> 03:37:09,921
work that they will have to do anyway will include

2079
03:37:10,051 --> 03:37:13,491
other areas within the blockbuster primary

2080
03:37:13,491 --> 03:37:16,841
and that was what counseling is different too they need

2081
03:37:16,841 --> 03:37:21,351
to do to assist ice anyway

2082
03:37:21,351 --> 03:37:24,961
yes I absolutely want that to be done I am

2083
03:37:24,991 --> 03:37:27,241
okay I just want to make sure that people wouldn't

2084
03:37:27,241 --> 03:37:30,571
be grouped in together and

2085
03:37:30,571 --> 03:37:32,641
I guess that they would be tied to that that

2086
03:37:32,641 --> 03:37:36,751
two years okay thank you very much

2087
03:37:36,751 --> 03:37:40,581
thank you very much constituents

2088
03:37:40,581 --> 03:37:44,401
our concern over

2089
03:37:44,401 --> 03:37:46,901
I think it is nothing thank you Mister chair so

2090
03:37:46,901 --> 03:37:49,091
... just so they get this through my mind this

2091
03:37:49,091 --> 03:37:52,361
is taking from ... along worth Avenue right completely down

2092
03:37:52,361 --> 03:37:55,911
to Steven's road as that as and over to Bonneville

2093
03:37:55,911 --> 03:38:01,611
Avenue one block block master banquet

2094
03:38:01,611 --> 03:38:05,801
through through you Mister chair at the to consider Hooper

2095
03:38:06,121 --> 03:38:09,721
the areas and are from the lane to the north

2096
03:38:09,761 --> 03:38:12,491
a south or what we consider the neighborhood center to

2097
03:38:12,491 --> 03:38:16,171
a student's wrote to the south

2098
03:38:16,171 --> 03:38:19,541
in order to and over to Bonneville Avenue correct

2099
03:38:19,541 --> 03:38:23,291
and yes beating the clickable number 11

2100
03:38:23,291 --> 03:38:27,141
okay thank you very much thank you Mr thank you

2101
03:38:27,141 --> 03:38:35,771
for our concert Jones round is still out

2102
03:38:35,771 --> 03:38:37,911
sorry about that and

2103
03:38:37,911 --> 03:38:42,781
continue

2104
03:38:42,781 --> 03:38:49,161
yes Sir your honor Opeth no no it's okay

2105
03:38:49,161 --> 03:38:53,011
contra dancing can I ask one more question you're moving

2106
03:38:53,011 --> 03:38:56,431
for a second time around

2107
03:38:56,431 --> 03:38:59,611
if I have a second looking

2108
03:38:59,611 --> 03:39:03,491
seconded by councilman Nino

2109
03:39:03,491 --> 03:39:07,371
questions or comments are in favor

2110
03:39:07,371 --> 03:39:10,531
yes yes yes yes

2111
03:39:10,531 --> 03:39:12,611
and your post

2112
03:39:12,611 --> 03:39:16,601
red green lawn go ahead please

2113
03:39:16,601 --> 03:39:20,671
I'm I'm just wondering if ... the mover would consider

2114
03:39:20,701 --> 03:39:24,491
... an amendment to this I'm just wondering if we

2115
03:39:24,491 --> 03:39:26,661
need to add in

2116
03:39:26,661 --> 03:39:30,471


2117
03:39:30,471 --> 03:39:32,281
the

2118
03:39:32,281 --> 03:39:34,351
do we write in part led to for all the

2119
03:39:34,351 --> 03:39:39,671
policies that the optical land policies

2120
03:39:39,671 --> 03:39:44,271
during if we got everything in right

2121
03:39:44,271 --> 03:39:46,271
I'm just thinking it through maybe I spoke too quick

2122
03:39:46,881 --> 03:39:48,911
...

2123
03:39:48,911 --> 03:39:50,681
okay sorry

2124
03:39:50,681 --> 03:39:52,661
I thought that we maybe there was something missing there

2125
03:39:52,841 --> 03:39:56,311
okay sorry I think it's good thank you okay bank

2126
03:39:56,311 --> 03:39:59,771
of America plaza

2127
03:39:59,771 --> 03:40:02,561
well thank you Mister chair Mister Salazar gonna make you

2128
03:40:02,561 --> 03:40:06,861
repeat yourself ... that you had some concerns with motion

2129
03:40:06,861 --> 03:40:10,211
asking was as it was written

2130
03:40:10,211 --> 03:40:13,761
suggesting that if we deal with the two year moratorium

2131
03:40:14,301 --> 03:40:17,961
alone ... that that would

2132
03:40:17,961 --> 03:40:20,381
that would take care of things so that could you

2133
03:40:20,451 --> 03:40:22,211
could you repeat

2134
03:40:22,211 --> 03:40:24,711
what you're told me and at that there's a simpler

2135
03:40:24,711 --> 03:40:28,961
way and perhaps not one that protects everyone's interests better

2136
03:40:29,311 --> 03:40:32,511
... if we simplify this

2137
03:40:32,511 --> 03:40:36,571
with 3 researcher to the media foster

2138
03:40:36,571 --> 03:40:39,551
the intent of counselors to allow

2139
03:40:39,551 --> 03:40:42,761
any property owner within the area to apply within the

2140
03:40:42,761 --> 03:40:46,241
next two years on I might my belief is that

2141
03:40:46,241 --> 03:40:50,351
a solution to the guests reflect the council is allowing

2142
03:40:50,351 --> 03:40:54,641
property owners to apply within the next two years we

2143
03:40:54,761 --> 03:40:59,261
through the consultation process we will outline the different studies

2144
03:40:59,291 --> 03:41:01,771
on the area on the scope of those studies as

2145
03:41:01,771 --> 03:41:03,521
part of that process

2146
03:41:03,521 --> 03:41:06,351
okay so the motion as it's written does that S.

2147
03:41:06,351 --> 03:41:09,321
I mean if we pass that and the intent of

2148
03:41:09,381 --> 03:41:13,461
of motion is you know with is is here ...

2149
03:41:13,461 --> 03:41:17,371
just the motion as it's written and because you've any

2150
03:41:17,581 --> 03:41:21,601
any challenges

2151
03:41:21,601 --> 03:41:24,151
let me read it read them when it once again

2152
03:41:24,151 --> 03:41:26,111
please

2153
03:41:26,111 --> 03:41:28,371
I just wanna make sure that we don't shoot ourselves

2154
03:41:28,371 --> 03:41:30,831
and perhaps property owners and in the foot along the

2155
03:41:30,831 --> 03:41:32,781
way

2156
03:41:32,781 --> 03:41:35,981
yes the the only concern I have is that the

2157
03:41:36,101 --> 03:41:40,921
applicable land policies and designations be different at this time

2158
03:41:40,921 --> 03:41:44,911
we are not changing the designations of those lands the

2159
03:41:44,911 --> 03:41:48,101
land use designations the only thing that we had done

2160
03:41:48,101 --> 03:41:52,381
is to have an overlay for I'm block master plan

2161
03:41:52,381 --> 03:41:54,991
so we're not changing this ignition so different that the

2162
03:41:54,991 --> 03:41:57,731
sick patients with I don't know if it means deck

2163
03:41:57,731 --> 03:42:02,071
system designations of those lands

2164
03:42:02,071 --> 03:42:03,781
okay

2165
03:42:03,781 --> 03:42:07,261
all right so let's open it open to interpretation but

2166
03:42:07,261 --> 03:42:09,081
I don't I don't know for stepping on a land

2167
03:42:09,081 --> 03:42:12,311
mine or not okay thank you Mr chair thank you

2168
03:42:12,311 --> 03:42:16,771
Mister Ruston high I believe president Clinton your hand up

2169
03:42:16,771 --> 03:42:19,991
so you retire trying to make the changes right I'm

2170
03:42:19,991 --> 03:42:22,261
still not going well yeah I don't I don't think

2171
03:42:22,261 --> 03:42:25,961
any changes needed I'm I'm reading directly from

2172
03:42:25,961 --> 03:42:30,281
the letter ... written by western consulting ... representing one

2173
03:42:30,281 --> 03:42:32,091
of the landowners

2174
03:42:32,091 --> 03:42:36,051
... were they specifically request that we quote D. for

2175
03:42:36,051 --> 03:42:39,341
the applicable policies and designation

2176
03:42:39,341 --> 03:42:42,621
for the subject property so that's I assume they know

2177
03:42:42,621 --> 03:42:45,011
what they're doing ...

2178
03:42:45,011 --> 03:42:46,821
that's the

2179
03:42:46,821 --> 03:42:50,391
so it's a big land development firm ... Mister curator

2180
03:42:50,971 --> 03:42:55,291
so I thought we were doing in fact what they

2181
03:42:55,291 --> 03:42:57,331
were requesting but

2182
03:42:57,331 --> 03:42:59,791
but also doing the same for the property owners to

2183
03:42:59,791 --> 03:43:02,081
the north so that we're not treating them differently that's

2184
03:43:02,081 --> 03:43:03,581
all but

2185
03:43:03,581 --> 03:43:04,801
you know I think we need to treat them the

2186
03:43:04,801 --> 03:43:08,011
same moral us if they have

2187
03:43:08,011 --> 03:43:12,321
so I I didn't propose to change the wording Mr

2188
03:43:12,321 --> 03:43:15,631
right

2189
03:43:15,631 --> 03:43:19,171
thank you

2190
03:43:19,171 --> 03:43:23,251
there are no more questions or comments so all in

2191
03:43:23,251 --> 03:43:25,271
favor

2192
03:43:25,271 --> 03:43:29,271
yes yes yes yes

2193
03:43:29,271 --> 03:43:31,601
yes

2194
03:43:31,601 --> 03:43:35,171
Erin your both

2195
03:43:35,171 --> 03:43:41,861
we're being non that's carried unanimously

2196
03:43:41,861 --> 03:43:44,391
another question Mr

2197
03:43:44,391 --> 03:43:48,781
on the main motion yes Sir okay go ahead

2198
03:43:48,781 --> 03:43:50,661
so

2199
03:43:50,661 --> 03:43:53,041
hi I want to again go back to the issue

2200
03:43:53,041 --> 03:43:56,161
of trails ... this

2201
03:43:56,161 --> 03:43:59,781
in this plan and there is a lot more verbiage

2202
03:43:59,781 --> 03:44:02,761
in this document about

2203
03:44:02,761 --> 03:44:05,661
the trails

2204
03:44:05,661 --> 03:44:09,031
I think it's section 9

2205
03:44:09,031 --> 03:44:14,011
9.10

2206
03:44:14,011 --> 03:44:15,881
and

2207
03:44:15,881 --> 03:44:19,161
I wanted to get some clarification what this

2208
03:44:19,161 --> 03:44:22,781
paragraph meant nine point ten point ten trails identified and

2209
03:44:22,781 --> 03:44:24,641
schedule a

2210
03:44:24,641 --> 03:44:27,791
shall be assessed as part of an environmental impact study

2211
03:44:27,791 --> 03:44:30,691
being undertaken on adjacent land so what is that what

2212
03:44:30,691 --> 03:44:34,651
is actually what does that mean

2213
03:44:34,651 --> 03:44:37,431
is that your business hours are

2214
03:44:37,431 --> 03:44:40,491
sure I miss the stars ... I think your crop

2215
03:44:40,491 --> 03:44:43,541
up on your lap

2216
03:44:43,541 --> 03:44:46,821
yes Mr church some of the trails and see some

2217
03:44:46,821 --> 03:44:51,341
of the lands at that are designated for future environmentalist

2218
03:44:51,341 --> 03:44:55,171
alley will required for us to complete those A. S.

2219
03:44:55,171 --> 03:44:57,091
as to the time and the right location of those

2220
03:44:57,091 --> 03:45:01,921
strengths

2221
03:45:01,921 --> 03:45:04,061
what thank you what Y. N. E. I. S. like

2222
03:45:04,061 --> 03:45:07,711
I'm just curious why there's different wording for this versus

2223
03:45:07,711 --> 03:45:11,901
the one which is dealt with which was southwest Curtis

2224
03:45:11,901 --> 03:45:15,961


2225
03:45:15,961 --> 03:45:17,941
and it talks about adjacent lands what do mean by

2226
03:45:17,941 --> 03:45:22,621
Jason was that mean lands outside of this planner

2227
03:45:22,621 --> 03:45:25,001
at three you Mr sherry said Jason last of the

2228
03:45:25,001 --> 03:45:27,351
trail system

2229
03:45:27,351 --> 03:45:28,751
okay

2230
03:45:28,751 --> 03:45:33,351
so at looking at page to 29

2231
03:45:33,351 --> 03:45:35,581
the

2232
03:45:35,581 --> 03:45:38,991
what what is the trail like on the

2233
03:45:38,991 --> 03:45:41,901
the sort of following the Bonneville creek ... it just

2234
03:45:41,901 --> 03:45:45,671
sort of stops along with avenues that intentional or

2235
03:45:45,671 --> 03:45:47,321
I would have thought it would you want to go

2236
03:45:47,321 --> 03:45:49,691
all the way down to

2237
03:45:49,691 --> 03:45:51,891
king street

2238
03:45:51,891 --> 03:45:55,891
it is sorry my computer just froze one second please

2239
03:45:55,971 --> 03:46:00,341
and bluegrass schedule latest being referenced in section

2240
03:46:00,341 --> 03:46:08,261
9 of the year are printed

2241
03:46:08,261 --> 03:46:16,601
I'm getting there just give me a second please

2242
03:46:16,601 --> 03:46:20,091
okay sorry for my technical problems wins the contest I

2243
03:46:20,091 --> 03:46:23,641
would ask and mark and the pride that there has

2244
03:46:23,641 --> 03:46:25,741
been a leader in this project can you share that

2245
03:46:25,741 --> 03:46:31,361
that with fan sure screen that especially pleased okay

2246
03:46:31,361 --> 03:46:33,711
I think it

2247
03:46:33,711 --> 03:46:37,241
why does that thank you done selected us

2248
03:46:37,241 --> 03:46:39,561
some further questions on

2249
03:46:39,561 --> 03:46:50,351
okay thank you

2250
03:46:51,971 --> 03:46:54,591
let me share my screen now one second please okay

2251
03:46:54,591 --> 03:46:56,601
I got it

2252
03:46:56,601 --> 03:46:57,901
and

2253
03:46:57,901 --> 03:47:00,741
and we're okay

2254
03:47:00,741 --> 03:47:04,111
so you're referring to this is the wrong plan sorry

2255
03:47:04,661 --> 03:47:06,721
my mistake

2256
03:47:06,721 --> 03:47:09,541
the the the the

2257
03:47:09,541 --> 03:47:12,111
looking at the schedule a of

2258
03:47:12,111 --> 03:47:23,411
okay one second please

2259
03:47:24,021 --> 03:47:28,221
market do you have does schedule please

2260
03:47:28,221 --> 03:47:29,941
well you know I won't

2261
03:47:29,941 --> 03:47:35,011
structure that I just give me

2262
03:47:35,011 --> 03:47:37,461
yeah thanks so much

2263
03:47:37,461 --> 03:47:41,711
what what is the the trails stop it longer if

2264
03:47:41,711 --> 03:47:46,141
there were along the boulder creek

2265
03:47:46,141 --> 03:47:51,531
is that intentional or just missioner

2266
03:47:51,531 --> 03:47:53,731
can we get your real mother is what is it

2267
03:47:53,731 --> 03:47:57,641
stop there

2268
03:47:57,641 --> 03:48:00,731
Hey sorry I'm trying to locate a schedule in my

2269
03:48:01,161 --> 03:48:05,491
computer but it's not getting that sort

2270
03:48:05,491 --> 03:48:08,251
but somebody's got to open the scoring is already checked

2271
03:48:08,971 --> 03:48:11,341
by mistake how you got here all right at the

2272
03:48:11,341 --> 03:48:13,171
point where I was

2273
03:48:13,171 --> 03:48:17,871
asking about yeah what is it stop right there

2274
03:48:17,871 --> 03:48:22,801
I don't know exactly placed obsession okay so I guess

2275
03:48:22,801 --> 03:48:24,301
my other question is how does how does it get

2276
03:48:24,301 --> 03:48:33,021
under ... along with Avenue

2277
03:48:33,021 --> 03:48:36,101
the thank you can't usually I'm in I'm assuming it

2278
03:48:36,101 --> 03:48:39,361
would be a mistake to try to have people walking

2279
03:48:39,361 --> 03:48:42,131
across recycling across

2280
03:48:42,131 --> 03:48:44,171
Longworth

2281
03:48:44,171 --> 03:48:48,091
so should not somehow get under a bridge or something

2282
03:48:48,091 --> 03:48:51,421
... I have no doubt

2283
03:48:51,421 --> 03:48:54,031
he is now joining

2284
03:48:54,031 --> 03:48:56,861
okay I'm sorry

2285
03:48:56,861 --> 03:48:59,191
that is correct

2286
03:48:59,191 --> 03:49:03,111
and I hope it goes over well actually there's a

2287
03:49:03,111 --> 03:49:04,831
bridge as you know concerned

2288
03:49:04,831 --> 03:49:07,571
I'm sure there's a bridge at Longworth and and the

2289
03:49:07,571 --> 03:49:11,861
trio would conceivably go underneath the bridge right go up

2290
03:49:12,601 --> 03:49:15,481
one for the record there's another bridge up on on

2291
03:49:15,481 --> 03:49:20,261
Google Avenue to further on up the the eventual plan

2292
03:49:20,651 --> 03:49:23,141
we from way back when was to take it from

2293
03:49:23,791 --> 03:49:26,691
Belize two thousand all the way up to the ...

2294
03:49:26,721 --> 03:49:29,791
it believe the peace side of the creek all the

2295
03:49:29,791 --> 03:49:35,251
way up through the canal ... ... we're near Anderson

2296
03:49:35,251 --> 03:49:38,811
goes up underneath the old what we used to call

2297
03:49:38,811 --> 03:49:43,171
the Jacqueline creek Bailey Bailey bridge and moves up through

2298
03:49:43,171 --> 03:49:45,291
their into the wooded area through there and then goes

2299
03:49:45,291 --> 03:49:48,961
along on the probably the west side may even have

2300
03:49:48,961 --> 03:49:51,141
to cross over to the east ... the story to

2301
03:49:51,141 --> 03:49:54,071
the west side from the side ... maybe on the

2302
03:49:54,071 --> 03:49:56,591
Bailey bridge that's down on Jack when the old Jackson

2303
03:49:56,591 --> 03:49:58,931
road and then it would go along and follow the

2304
03:49:58,931 --> 03:50:01,981
creek up along underneath the bridge similar to what they've

2305
03:50:01,981 --> 03:50:06,091
done on the ... ... denim floral one going down

2306
03:50:06,091 --> 03:50:08,671
across ... to hook up to the trail down there

2307
03:50:08,671 --> 03:50:11,121
too as well so that was the idea was to

2308
03:50:11,161 --> 03:50:13,981
to eventually bring it up through all the way up

2309
03:50:13,981 --> 03:50:16,701
to ... the other side of a fifty cent Urbandale

2310
03:50:16,701 --> 03:50:20,081
Avenue sorry sorry thanks I didn't mean to interrupt Mister

2311
03:50:20,081 --> 03:50:22,321
Mister chair or a

2312
03:50:22,321 --> 03:50:25,591
Mr cells are I just thought I'd bring some up

2313
03:50:25,961 --> 03:50:28,841
points of interest that ... I can remember going back

2314
03:50:28,841 --> 03:50:32,321
from winning the previous mayor ... Henry was to fall

2315
03:50:32,621 --> 03:50:34,591
through as well so thank you

2316
03:50:34,591 --> 03:50:37,581
well I I I yes thanks now super because I

2317
03:50:37,581 --> 03:50:40,301
... yes

2318
03:50:40,301 --> 03:50:43,331
similar to my comments on the other so first Curtis

2319
03:50:43,331 --> 03:50:45,721
I I think there hasn't really been enough work done

2320
03:50:45,721 --> 03:50:46,881
on

2321
03:50:46,881 --> 03:50:49,391
citing where this trail is going to go and ...

2322
03:50:49,391 --> 03:50:51,571
I just you know is your

2323
03:50:51,571 --> 03:50:53,051
it's got a it's got to get under some of

2324
03:50:53,051 --> 03:50:55,751
these roads ... and I think it's important that it

2325
03:50:55,751 --> 03:50:57,371
does connect

2326
03:50:57,371 --> 03:51:01,411
with all the way down to the lake again ...

2327
03:51:01,441 --> 03:51:02,781
with

2328
03:51:02,781 --> 03:51:04,551
so I don't I don't but I don't see that

2329
03:51:04,551 --> 03:51:07,581
in this special is referenced

2330
03:51:07,581 --> 03:51:09,831
as being part is planned so I just I'm just

2331
03:51:10,001 --> 03:51:12,701
making a comment that I think more work could have

2332
03:51:12,701 --> 03:51:17,071
been done on on really ... presenting a clear plan

2333
03:51:17,071 --> 03:51:20,891
on how the trails gonna look so thank you

2334
03:51:20,891 --> 03:51:23,231
I know there's a lot of stormwater management ponds in

2335
03:51:23,231 --> 03:51:32,541
here but it's kind of late on the trails thanks

2336
03:51:32,541 --> 03:51:34,711
is that it

2337
03:51:34,711 --> 03:51:39,461
constantly yeah okay thank you counsel who are

2338
03:51:39,461 --> 03:51:41,651
yes thank you Mister chair and ... just to add

2339
03:51:41,651 --> 03:51:45,271
to further what I said ... ... ... I was

2340
03:51:45,271 --> 03:51:48,411
... looking at the plant to in regards to the

2341
03:51:48,411 --> 03:51:51,481
trail system and I just hope that that that there

2342
03:51:51,481 --> 03:51:54,871
would be further enhancements to ... making that day through

2343
03:51:54,901 --> 03:51:58,751
come to fruition because that is very important to bringing

2344
03:51:58,751 --> 03:52:02,291
the people from the north Glenn ... area of brook

2345
03:52:02,291 --> 03:52:05,191
hill all the way down through into our hopefully to

2346
03:52:05,191 --> 03:52:08,701
our downtown into the no values two thousand trail system

2347
03:52:08,781 --> 03:52:13,241
hook up through down into ... the ... lake shore

2348
03:52:13,601 --> 03:52:16,761
... crummy trails ... sent up there too as well

2349
03:52:16,851 --> 03:52:19,481
as ... as in the discussions we had today with

2350
03:52:19,481 --> 03:52:23,551
the Curtis proposal ... it's very important that ... we

2351
03:52:23,581 --> 03:52:27,501
can interconnect all the neighborhoods and bring them you know

2352
03:52:27,711 --> 03:52:31,691
so it's a much easier either walkability or cycling or

2353
03:52:31,691 --> 03:52:35,101
whatever whatever the ... you know I probably will be

2354
03:52:35,101 --> 03:52:37,851
here when that happens but anyways ... over the choose

2355
03:52:37,851 --> 03:52:40,341
to to move to a more well through through the

2356
03:52:40,341 --> 03:52:41,591
areas

2357
03:52:41,591 --> 03:52:44,351
thank you thanks Mister chair

2358
03:52:44,351 --> 03:52:47,941
thank you very much are there any

2359
03:52:47,941 --> 03:52:54,011
further questions or comments on the motion on

2360
03:52:54,011 --> 03:53:04,461
Adam and

2361
03:53:04,461 --> 03:53:07,791
all in favor your email

2362
03:53:07,791 --> 03:53:10,731
yes yes yes

2363
03:53:10,731 --> 03:53:12,231
yes

2364
03:53:12,231 --> 03:53:16,611
earning oppose

2365
03:53:16,611 --> 03:53:24,981
they're being non that's carried

2366
03:53:24,981 --> 03:53:28,721
nine point one which is the maintenance of the regular

2367
03:53:28,721 --> 03:53:33,681
meeting of Aprile twenty six twenty twenty one I need

2368
03:53:33,681 --> 03:53:38,661
a mover for Iraqis are monster who were

2369
03:53:38,661 --> 03:53:43,731
the up thrusters like run and laugh

2370
03:53:43,731 --> 03:53:49,841
questions are comments

2371
03:53:49,841 --> 03:53:53,191
they're being non

2372
03:53:53,191 --> 03:53:55,571
are in favor

2373
03:53:55,571 --> 03:53:59,091
yes yes yes

2374
03:53:59,091 --> 03:54:05,771
yes earlier polls

2375
03:54:05,771 --> 03:54:13,811
they're being non that's carried

2376
03:54:13,811 --> 03:54:17,951
under moving on your delegations and it's fairly got flown

2377
03:54:17,951 --> 03:54:21,991
hard ten minutes fifty nine

2378
03:54:21,991 --> 03:54:24,871
before we deal in writing something on your own this

2379
03:54:24,871 --> 03:54:29,031
back as there's a report has found board

2380
03:54:29,031 --> 03:54:33,011
if Congress should adopt that report

2381
03:54:33,011 --> 03:54:36,611
what could miss Barker's elaborate on what that would do

2382
03:54:36,731 --> 03:54:40,321
for those who are concerned about

2383
03:54:40,321 --> 03:54:44,181
they'll probably be in green velvet Honda for goals rather

2384
03:54:44,181 --> 03:54:46,491
concerned about

2385
03:54:46,491 --> 03:54:48,881
protection of farmland

2386
03:54:48,881 --> 03:54:53,211
yes doctors could you please just verify those two points

2387
03:54:53,241 --> 03:54:56,101
please

2388
03:54:56,101 --> 03:55:00,251
sure thank you Sir ... and if any of the

2389
03:55:00,831 --> 03:55:04,871
people that have written at this point ... aren't content

2390
03:55:04,871 --> 03:55:07,141
with what is in the staff report we can certainly

2391
03:55:07,141 --> 03:55:11,171
commit to providing individual pieces of correspondence and certainly follow

2392
03:55:11,171 --> 03:55:13,711
up phone calls each one of them to explain what

2393
03:55:13,711 --> 03:55:17,591
it means ... we can also post that information ...

2394
03:55:17,741 --> 03:55:20,941
on the website ... so that everybody has access to

2395
03:55:20,941 --> 03:55:23,051
the same information

2396
03:55:23,051 --> 03:55:33,601
if you so choose Sir

2397
03:55:33,601 --> 03:55:38,251
please do do a presentation on point and if it's

2398
03:55:38,281 --> 03:55:41,461
I'm trying not to be repetitive

2399
03:55:41,461 --> 03:55:44,161
so the first time I got down again instead of

2400
03:55:44,161 --> 03:55:47,611
move I'm here I'm trying to find these Mister

2401
03:55:47,611 --> 03:55:50,341
Costantino Bruna

2402
03:55:50,341 --> 03:55:55,031
Mr brown are you on the line

2403
03:55:55,031 --> 03:55:58,561
yeah

2404
03:55:58,561 --> 03:56:02,031
1.one

2405
03:56:02,031 --> 03:56:07,481
Mr Bruno you might be molded viewed it sorry

2406
03:56:07,481 --> 03:56:10,851
yes my name is Clark and you know Bruno

2407
03:56:10,851 --> 03:56:12,631
I pray you know

2408
03:56:12,631 --> 03:56:14,861
can you speak up a bit as well Mister brown

2409
03:56:14,861 --> 03:56:17,441
I'm going home

2410
03:56:17,441 --> 03:56:22,541
yes my name is Costantino Bruno

2411
03:56:22,541 --> 03:56:25,401
yes I call regarding this claim number and ... got

2412
03:56:25,401 --> 03:56:29,951
the piece of land on maple Grove road

2413
03:56:29,951 --> 03:56:31,211
hello

2414
03:56:31,211 --> 03:56:35,531
yes the garbage can can everyone hear Mr Brunner

2415
03:56:35,531 --> 03:56:38,111
yes

2416
03:56:38,111 --> 03:56:41,311
go ahead please Sir

2417
03:56:41,311 --> 03:56:44,101
yes I got this Amanda maple Grove road and that's

2418
03:56:44,101 --> 03:56:47,301
a shoulder on the mob is already a user northbound

2419
03:56:47,301 --> 03:56:49,841
highway two between the how you would do and ...

2420
03:56:49,841 --> 03:56:53,311
and national road it shows on the mob is about

2421
03:56:53,311 --> 03:56:55,761
a quarter of an inch

2422
03:56:55,761 --> 03:57:00,091
I don't I would go with that and paying partner

2423
03:57:00,131 --> 03:57:03,631
didn't belt not one or no

2424
03:57:03,631 --> 03:57:07,421
because into it doesn't show very much a pretty and

2425
03:57:07,421 --> 03:57:09,961
I am I'm twenty four nine of five maple Grove

2426
03:57:09,961 --> 03:57:13,211
rolled into one of four ninety two is a part

2427
03:57:13,211 --> 03:57:20,421
of one the green belt or not

2428
03:57:20,421 --> 03:57:23,751
Mr brewer I am not sure I understand what you're

2429
03:57:23,751 --> 03:57:26,301
getting on

2430
03:57:26,301 --> 03:57:28,761
when I can't change it yeah it's a twenty four

2431
03:57:28,761 --> 03:57:32,191
nine of five maple Grove the twenty four ninety to

2432
03:57:32,191 --> 03:57:35,421
make them grow I think it shows on the mob

2433
03:57:35,901 --> 03:57:38,641
it's at a job ... just in order to how

2434
03:57:38,641 --> 03:57:42,591
you would two one days and the website my dad

2435
03:57:42,591 --> 03:57:46,871
is a darkly pigmented moved further north than us out

2436
03:57:46,871 --> 03:57:54,971
there not should not be shown in the paint

2437
03:57:54,971 --> 03:57:58,181
it's not clear pilot program for ventilation but this and

2438
03:57:58,181 --> 03:58:02,831
they remember grandfather I'm wrong

2439
03:58:02,831 --> 03:58:07,821
a bit unusual but

2440
03:58:07,821 --> 03:58:10,661
hi Sir it's Lisa back as I can respond

2441
03:58:10,661 --> 03:58:12,581
grab please

2442
03:58:12,581 --> 03:58:15,311
okay the map is a little ... a little hard

2443
03:58:15,311 --> 03:58:19,441
to read on that side the green belt exists following

2444
03:58:19,441 --> 03:58:23,811
maple Grove road on the east side of maple Grove

2445
03:58:23,811 --> 03:58:26,871
road it is shown as purple on most of the

2446
03:58:26,871 --> 03:58:30,881
maps are pink whichever however you're seeing that color ...

2447
03:58:30,881 --> 03:58:33,601
does so the lands on the east side of maple

2448
03:58:33,601 --> 03:58:37,141
Grove road are in the white belt area or in

2449
03:58:37,141 --> 03:58:40,941
special study area to the lands on the west side

2450
03:58:40,941 --> 03:58:44,351
of maple Grove road north of highway two are in

2451
03:58:44,351 --> 03:58:46,581
the existing green belts

2452
03:58:46,581 --> 03:58:49,871
but I can certainly forward ... Mister Bruno and a

2453
03:58:49,871 --> 03:58:53,351
map of this property and we can pinpoint specifically for

2454
03:58:53,351 --> 03:58:56,091
him

2455
03:58:56,091 --> 03:58:58,511
Mr Bruno that's

2456
03:58:58,511 --> 03:59:02,171
are you wanted to find out you know

2457
03:59:02,171 --> 03:59:04,511
what I can say I mean I'm I'm not sure

2458
03:59:04,511 --> 03:59:06,521
because the only show I could do a quarter of

2459
03:59:06,521 --> 03:59:10,461
an inch from the corner of highway tool into what

2460
03:59:10,461 --> 03:59:14,221
exactly may grow to maple Grove and now I am

2461
03:59:14,221 --> 03:59:17,351
under a right to say on the ... on on

2462
03:59:17,351 --> 03:59:19,741
the east and the west right

2463
03:59:19,741 --> 03:59:24,391
oz Misbach assurance indicated if you cannot stop they'll help

2464
03:59:24,391 --> 03:59:27,041
you figure that out on the street level is that

2465
03:59:27,271 --> 03:59:30,581
good enough for yourself

2466
03:59:30,581 --> 03:59:34,491
thank you he finished and you all of your area

2467
03:59:34,671 --> 03:59:37,681
hi mutual fund units a cleaner

2468
03:59:37,681 --> 03:59:39,701
picked up the phone

2469
03:59:39,701 --> 03:59:43,251
no because this is an articulate traded to hardball mobile

2470
03:59:43,641 --> 03:59:45,661
you know it's a hard in both mobile because you

2471
03:59:45,661 --> 03:59:48,901
know it's a pleasant two thousand feet away between twenty

2472
03:59:48,901 --> 03:59:51,881
five hundred feet away from the kind of the entire

2473
03:59:52,141 --> 03:59:56,331
into Walmart to neighbors involved in the you know it's

2474
03:59:57,101 --> 04:00:00,901
ridiculous if you haven't bring about fundamental did it he's

2475
04:00:00,901 --> 04:00:03,811
going to be you know grow up in Bowmanville I'm

2476
04:00:03,811 --> 04:00:06,261
pretty sure they're going to come west and in the

2477
04:00:06,261 --> 04:00:08,761
going to keep the drive that land on the on

2478
04:00:08,761 --> 04:00:11,721
the green about cutting the ridiculous

2479
04:00:11,721 --> 04:00:14,951
... Mister brewer you have any other comments and structural

2480
04:00:14,951 --> 04:00:20,951
study area through if not you can contact stopped land

2481
04:00:20,951 --> 04:00:22,741
it's not a matter

2482
04:00:22,741 --> 04:00:25,161
he

2483
04:00:25,161 --> 04:00:29,031
are those your comments are

2484
04:00:29,031 --> 04:00:32,151
what I know I think that added that idea like

2485
04:00:32,151 --> 04:00:34,291
a general I work hard to get a piece of

2486
04:00:34,291 --> 04:00:36,771
land is but one degree about the water come what

2487
04:00:36,771 --> 04:00:39,281
idea I don't think he was a very bright you

2488
04:00:39,281 --> 04:00:43,781
know is unknown the middle this video they're tolerable mobile

2489
04:00:43,781 --> 04:00:45,611
I don't think it's a good idea I can audit

2490
04:00:45,611 --> 04:00:48,981
done major part ... part minded I may drop orchards

2491
04:00:48,981 --> 04:00:52,051
and I met and attended a warning about the green

2492
04:00:52,051 --> 04:00:53,381
belt

2493
04:00:53,381 --> 04:00:56,591
how good is it

2494
04:00:56,591 --> 04:00:58,701
it is a good idea I came to destroy the

2495
04:00:58,701 --> 04:01:02,291
apple orchards and they destroyed farmland and then they keep

2496
04:01:02,291 --> 04:01:04,711
it again about support for the UAT quota for pope

2497
04:01:04,711 --> 04:01:09,141
POP support for Turkey hunting is anything any animal like

2498
04:01:09,141 --> 04:01:12,461
that but that to me due to ridiculous attempt at

2499
04:01:12,461 --> 04:01:16,781
all and on the middle of that year the town

2500
04:01:16,781 --> 04:01:19,791
for green about ten acting as agent ridiculous away come

2501
04:01:19,791 --> 04:01:21,511
of what idea I don't think it was a very

2502
04:01:21,511 --> 04:01:24,711
bright

2503
04:01:24,711 --> 04:01:27,911
thank your newspaper Berliner your point is well taken on

2504
04:01:27,911 --> 04:01:31,261
staff will assist you further

2505
04:01:31,261 --> 04:01:33,741
if that's okay

2506
04:01:33,741 --> 04:01:35,221
which

2507
04:01:35,221 --> 04:01:39,471
are there any members of council have any questions for

2508
04:01:39,471 --> 04:01:43,371
Mister Brawner

2509
04:01:43,371 --> 04:01:44,921
and

2510
04:01:44,921 --> 04:01:47,721
I don't see any thank you very much for your

2511
04:01:47,721 --> 04:01:50,431
presentation Sir

2512
04:01:50,431 --> 04:01:51,911
thank you

2513
04:01:51,911 --> 04:01:56,071
our legal on to the next presenter it's Mr correct

2514
04:01:56,281 --> 04:02:01,401
clam but trump are you on the line

2515
04:02:01,401 --> 04:02:03,711
can you hear me

2516
04:02:03,711 --> 04:02:06,211
yes you can

2517
04:02:06,211 --> 04:02:08,311
okay great

2518
04:02:08,311 --> 04:02:14,191
thank you sure Anderson mayor councillors and ... ladies and

2519
04:02:14,191 --> 04:02:16,091
gentleman

2520
04:02:16,091 --> 04:02:20,031
the chance to speak to you tonight

2521
04:02:20,031 --> 04:02:22,861
presentation of weeks ago also try and make my points

2522
04:02:22,861 --> 04:02:26,171
brief ... hello command the

2523
04:02:26,171 --> 04:02:30,761
south and ... council members they may need to notify

2524
04:02:32,111 --> 04:02:35,191
land owners and and people who would be interested in

2525
04:02:35,191 --> 04:02:40,981
that this special starting area too thank you Watson noticeable

2526
04:02:40,981 --> 04:02:43,341
we'll have an opportunity to see what was going on

2527
04:02:43,341 --> 04:02:45,931
and I know there's been a little bit of a

2528
04:02:46,441 --> 04:02:49,531
concern in the past especially with the

2529
04:02:49,531 --> 04:02:55,761
originally with this national starting area ... designation and Leah's

2530
04:02:55,761 --> 04:02:58,461
own Claritin there wasn't a lot of notification I think

2531
04:02:58,461 --> 04:03:03,921
everyone's learned and ... the notification was excellent and there

2532
04:03:03,921 --> 04:03:07,431
was a letter sent to landowners and ... I think

2533
04:03:07,431 --> 04:03:10,851
that is great and it gives us an opportunity that

2534
04:03:10,851 --> 04:03:12,451
we can not

2535
04:03:12,451 --> 04:03:16,301
get educated on what's going on ... I do think

2536
04:03:16,301 --> 04:03:18,681
this is important matter and I do what I have

2537
04:03:18,681 --> 04:03:22,921
read the staff recommendation and I support it and I

2538
04:03:22,921 --> 04:03:27,561
will counsel tonight ... also supports the staff recommendation to

2539
04:03:27,761 --> 04:03:31,141
remove the special starting area to

2540
04:03:31,141 --> 04:03:36,551
... artist reiterated my concerns when there is discussion about

2541
04:03:36,551 --> 04:03:37,831
...

2542
04:03:37,831 --> 04:03:41,681
possibly

2543
04:03:41,681 --> 04:03:45,271
along the west single and trying to find some special

2544
04:03:45,271 --> 04:03:48,471
restrictions on land to the east of almost all I

2545
04:03:48,471 --> 04:03:52,021
make my case

2546
04:03:52,021 --> 04:03:56,201
the land for this ... properties we only have three

2547
04:03:56,201 --> 04:03:58,361
hundred acres in the way you look at all today

2548
04:03:58,361 --> 04:04:00,311
Houston's own L.

2549
04:04:00,311 --> 04:04:03,871
... there's too many restrictions restrictions put on it when

2550
04:04:03,871 --> 04:04:07,161
I when I went to certainly going to drop and

2551
04:04:07,191 --> 04:04:11,591
I don't think that's the reasoning to do ... we've

2552
04:04:11,591 --> 04:04:13,301
had ...

2553
04:04:13,301 --> 04:04:18,041
billions of dollars invested in infrastructure whether Sapporo seven coming

2554
04:04:18,041 --> 04:04:22,171
on to the one fifteen thirty five the culturing common

2555
04:04:22,171 --> 04:04:25,411
to earn a small little which is long overdue let

2556
04:04:25,411 --> 04:04:28,821
us hold our guests more fast tracks and gets moving

2557
04:04:29,331 --> 04:04:32,011
and hopefully ... the next year or two we're going

2558
04:04:32,011 --> 04:04:35,651
to see the sign turning over basically a brand new

2559
04:04:35,651 --> 04:04:37,331
hospital that

2560
04:04:37,331 --> 04:04:39,091
almost in time

2561
04:04:39,091 --> 04:04:43,881
close to half a billion dollars on the disinvestment install

2562
04:04:43,881 --> 04:04:49,031
council supported all these infrastructure investments in addition to put

2563
04:04:49,031 --> 04:04:51,941
some restrictions on the possibility of future development on the

2564
04:04:51,941 --> 04:04:55,481
east side of our building we need to be thinking

2565
04:04:55,481 --> 04:04:57,771
long term we need to be like a hundred years

2566
04:04:57,771 --> 04:05:01,431
from now not twenty years a lot of planning ...

2567
04:05:01,971 --> 04:05:05,061
... needs to be done over the next ... twenty

2568
04:05:05,061 --> 04:05:07,371
to a hundred years on where all these people who

2569
04:05:07,371 --> 04:05:11,141
are coming back did you hear about our lives and

2570
04:05:11,141 --> 04:05:15,001
I think we need to make sure there's space for

2571
04:05:15,001 --> 04:05:18,061
them to live with otherwise we're just going to drive

2572
04:05:18,061 --> 04:05:23,021
economic development out of our area and ... we don't

2573
04:05:23,021 --> 04:05:25,881
want to do that the card there's lots of farmers

2574
04:05:25,881 --> 04:05:30,941
and consider a motion from friends

2575
04:05:30,941 --> 04:05:34,161
I want to keep their land green building and protection

2576
04:05:34,161 --> 04:05:37,491
from the elements and there's actually nothing stopping them from

2577
04:05:37,491 --> 04:05:41,501
doing so I respect their views and encouraging them however

2578
04:05:41,501 --> 04:05:44,821
you want to protect the land requirement for every judicial

2579
04:05:45,391 --> 04:05:50,661
police all ask other landholders the sacrifice their investments by

2580
04:05:50,661 --> 04:05:53,411
having restrictions put on their land

2581
04:05:53,411 --> 04:05:58,131
of your future possible development I said it ... earlier

2582
04:05:58,551 --> 04:06:03,861
that ... I'm a farmer's insurance through six months of

2583
04:06:03,861 --> 04:06:06,881
fragrance purchase store in downtown will go one year after

2584
04:06:06,881 --> 04:06:10,631
grade thirteen otherwise our work here me working at an

2585
04:06:10,631 --> 04:06:13,631
hour long delays on the farm I don't plan to

2586
04:06:14,281 --> 04:06:18,371
change the priority for the next twenty years

2587
04:06:18,371 --> 04:06:22,771
granddaughter and hopefully some more grandchildren coming to a halt

2588
04:06:22,771 --> 04:06:24,611
in the business because my two boys are in the

2589
04:06:24,611 --> 04:06:28,911
business so we're farmers run through we respect the result

2590
04:06:28,941 --> 04:06:33,271
we're not ever imagining getting land taken over the remote

2591
04:06:33,271 --> 04:06:35,601
we just don't think we should be hearing more and

2592
04:06:36,571 --> 04:06:41,101
more share of green valley restricted lands and I don't

2593
04:06:41,101 --> 04:06:44,351
think we receive stick around one of the concerns that

2594
04:06:44,351 --> 04:06:48,511
I had in the last ...

2595
04:06:48,511 --> 04:06:50,651
in order to make committee meeting

2596
04:06:50,651 --> 04:06:54,551
is it restarted I'm all over this making a case

2597
04:06:54,551 --> 04:06:57,051
of the land west of Omaha isn't anywhere as good

2598
04:06:57,051 --> 04:06:59,261
as a land use the overall

2599
04:06:59,261 --> 04:07:01,331


2600
04:07:01,331 --> 04:07:04,751
not to be the case we farmland on maple Grove

2601
04:07:04,751 --> 04:07:08,341
road all road on the road so I wrote in

2602
04:07:08,341 --> 04:07:09,921
Curtis wrote

2603
04:07:09,921 --> 04:07:12,461
on the west side on the side we also require

2604
04:07:12,461 --> 04:07:15,681
moderate road and county road forty two on the side

2605
04:07:15,681 --> 04:07:18,391
of that on the website as well and I can

2606
04:07:18,391 --> 04:07:22,841
tell you the the yields on this land for apples

2607
04:07:22,871 --> 04:07:25,851
is identical and the size of the route is the

2608
04:07:25,851 --> 04:07:29,731
same and there and they were problematic techniques are the

2609
04:07:29,731 --> 04:07:31,851
same on the west side of rules on the east

2610
04:07:31,851 --> 04:07:35,331
side really anything in the difference between the west side

2611
04:07:35,331 --> 04:07:37,371
over on the east side is there a lot more

2612
04:07:37,371 --> 04:07:39,621
trees on the west side

2613
04:07:39,621 --> 04:07:43,961
and ... this Walmart a lot more people and ...

2614
04:07:43,961 --> 04:07:47,521
otherwise less people on the land east of Acapulco let

2615
04:07:47,521 --> 04:07:49,511
us make a land any better and doesn't make it

2616
04:07:49,511 --> 04:07:53,281
any worse just because ... somebody owns a smaller channel

2617
04:07:53,281 --> 04:07:56,741
and then the other people so I think it is

2618
04:07:56,741 --> 04:08:02,861
important that we ... check out this area of stolen

2619
04:08:03,011 --> 04:08:04,461
...

2620
04:08:04,461 --> 04:08:05,841
we don't

2621
04:08:05,841 --> 04:08:09,771
restrict it we need we need a moment to continued

2622
04:08:09,771 --> 04:08:12,441
economic growth that we

2623
04:08:12,441 --> 04:08:17,071
our forefathers in our previous councils and plan on and

2624
04:08:17,071 --> 04:08:18,391
...

2625
04:08:18,391 --> 04:08:20,131
I think there's another

2626
04:08:20,131 --> 04:08:24,601
farmers should want to keep their land for informing we'll

2627
04:08:24,601 --> 04:08:27,841
keep an eye is a little smaller green between homeowner

2628
04:08:27,841 --> 04:08:31,731
counselor restricting everybody else in the area

2629
04:08:31,731 --> 04:08:34,351
I think it's a I'm trying

2630
04:08:34,351 --> 04:08:36,911
it's a good argument to on the same farm land

2631
04:08:37,251 --> 04:08:39,461
but it's not a practical

2632
04:08:39,461 --> 04:08:42,271
it if you think the big picture if we save

2633
04:08:42,271 --> 04:08:45,341
a piece of one acre farmland in Clarington I was

2634
04:08:45,401 --> 04:08:48,861
gonna say it another area it is only just put

2635
04:08:48,861 --> 04:08:52,321
housing there's demand for people they're going to go somewhere

2636
04:08:52,321 --> 04:08:54,381
and already doing like I said earlier this year going

2637
04:08:54,381 --> 04:08:59,191
to drive our investment and economic development somewhere else so

2638
04:08:59,191 --> 04:09:02,401
I thank you for the opportunity to give my clients

2639
04:09:02,431 --> 04:09:07,571
and ... I look forward to a positive response to

2640
04:09:07,571 --> 04:09:11,341
our motion later tonight regarding removing the special study area

2641
04:09:11,341 --> 04:09:13,271
too thank you

2642
04:09:13,271 --> 04:09:16,661
thank you very much the camp are there any questions

2643
04:09:16,661 --> 04:09:22,901
from members of problems so far the delegates

2644
04:09:22,901 --> 04:09:26,751
our concern but go ahead please

2645
04:09:26,751 --> 04:09:29,171
yes thank you thank you Mr Sharon thank you Mister

2646
04:09:29,171 --> 04:09:33,401
camper coming forward and thank you for your participation in

2647
04:09:33,401 --> 04:09:37,271
the small business with Mr cramped and ... come down

2648
04:09:37,591 --> 04:09:41,231
and for your ... ... your investment in the downtown

2649
04:09:41,231 --> 04:09:44,321
core create that very much I just a question regards

2650
04:09:44,321 --> 04:09:47,611
to the weight belt property that you've purchased in ...

2651
04:09:47,991 --> 04:09:51,271
... in the east are you currently using that as

2652
04:09:51,471 --> 04:09:56,621
as ... ... growing opportunities for tree tree farm or

2653
04:09:56,981 --> 04:10:00,331
did you buy is an investment

2654
04:10:00,331 --> 04:10:03,651
we we bought that property ... to grow out holes

2655
04:10:03,651 --> 04:10:07,711
in their levels on almost every year later that we

2656
04:10:07,711 --> 04:10:11,321
can't have and ... but we did pay a premium

2657
04:10:11,321 --> 04:10:14,491
for that land because it is in the white ball

2658
04:10:14,781 --> 04:10:19,191
and ... so ... I'd hate to see restrictions put

2659
04:10:19,191 --> 04:10:22,031
on that land some day down the road

2660
04:10:22,031 --> 04:10:25,641
I'm pretty sure

2661
04:10:25,641 --> 04:10:28,011
I'm pretty sure that I think are you ordered you

2662
04:10:28,011 --> 04:10:31,171
counselor who were saying that something might be going through

2663
04:10:31,171 --> 04:10:33,291
and you might not be around I was fully suspect

2664
04:10:33,291 --> 04:10:36,401
that I will be around when the action really starts

2665
04:10:36,401 --> 04:10:39,491
moving east of the mall and ... well I I

2666
04:10:39,491 --> 04:10:43,021
do see that ... it's ...

2667
04:10:43,021 --> 04:10:46,691
necessary in order to keep their economic development engine rolling

2668
04:10:46,691 --> 04:10:51,431
in Clarington and allow our children or grandchildren or great

2669
04:10:51,431 --> 04:10:53,991
grandchildren a place to live and work so they don't

2670
04:10:53,991 --> 04:10:56,131
have to leave the community which I think is a

2671
04:10:56,131 --> 04:10:57,461
shame

2672
04:10:57,461 --> 04:11:00,371
I appreciate that and appreciate your your comments in regards

2673
04:11:00,371 --> 04:11:02,691
to that ... maybe ... sometime off line will have

2674
04:11:02,691 --> 04:11:05,841
a discussion regards the white and green belt again you

2675
04:11:05,841 --> 04:11:08,681
and I have been ... discuss things in regards to

2676
04:11:08,681 --> 04:11:11,401
that so ... I appreciate your thoughts thank very much

2677
04:11:11,401 --> 04:11:12,961
was kept

2678
04:11:12,961 --> 04:11:17,321
thank you clamp your counselor are there any further questions

2679
04:11:17,471 --> 04:11:21,901
for him I don't see any hands up thank you

2680
04:11:21,901 --> 04:11:31,171
very much correct for the presentation

2681
04:11:31,171 --> 04:11:33,791
and move move along to eleven point three AM the

2682
04:11:33,791 --> 04:11:38,751
maths barely gone is miss Beverly order

2683
04:11:38,751 --> 04:11:47,581
I mean what are you on the line

2684
04:11:47,581 --> 04:11:50,561
latest order are you on the line

2685
04:11:50,561 --> 04:11:56,441
you may be muted

2686
04:11:56,441 --> 04:11:59,451
our

2687
04:11:59,451 --> 04:12:01,781
she doesn't appear to be on the line so we'll

2688
04:12:02,161 --> 04:12:04,541
probably come back

2689
04:12:04,541 --> 04:12:09,091
we're moving along to eleven point four which is on

2690
04:12:09,121 --> 04:12:11,871
the matter or for a guy to have a look

2691
04:12:11,871 --> 04:12:13,731
at

2692
04:12:13,731 --> 04:12:16,541
is now exit thank you so much ... and thank

2693
04:12:16,541 --> 04:12:19,741
you mayor and councillors ... for allowing me to speak

2694
04:12:20,221 --> 04:12:23,531
maybe sent another gas heat I represent for west investments

2695
04:12:23,531 --> 04:12:26,331
for small can everybody hear

2696
04:12:26,331 --> 04:12:29,731
yes you can run a perfect ... we are owners

2697
04:12:29,731 --> 04:12:32,951
of about a hundred acres of land at the southeast

2698
04:12:32,951 --> 04:12:36,561
intersection of holes road and Bloor St Clair tent and

2699
04:12:36,561 --> 04:12:39,221
in two thousand seventeen we paid wipe out prices in

2700
04:12:39,221 --> 04:12:43,371
fact the premium that reflected future development potential so we're

2701
04:12:43,371 --> 04:12:47,221
investors we made our purchase decisions based on publicly available

2702
04:12:47,221 --> 04:12:51,001
information and special study area two and its potential impact

2703
04:12:51,001 --> 04:12:54,881
work quite a surprise to us so we understand that

2704
04:12:54,881 --> 04:12:58,341
the official plan policies being discussed do not qualify as

2705
04:12:58,341 --> 04:13:01,701
a municipal request to grow the greenbelt and rather they

2706
04:13:01,701 --> 04:13:04,631
represent a request by the municipality of the product that

2707
04:13:04,631 --> 04:13:09,301
the province studied areas to identify lands for permanent protection

2708
04:13:09,301 --> 04:13:12,091
and the green belt the inclusion of our lands in

2709
04:13:12,091 --> 04:13:15,391
the study area is already empire impairing the value of

2710
04:13:15,391 --> 04:13:19,481
our assets and should the study results and inclusion ...

2711
04:13:19,481 --> 04:13:22,421
we would face a material loss so we're directly affected

2712
04:13:22,421 --> 04:13:25,641
and oppose even the simple request for provincial study and

2713
04:13:25,641 --> 04:13:28,821
investigation and even the hint that the municipality and might

2714
04:13:28,821 --> 04:13:33,421
support the inclusion so ... you know initially we thought

2715
04:13:33,421 --> 04:13:36,801
that the request was made without proper consultations wasn't actually

2716
04:13:36,951 --> 04:13:43,411
adequately documented and that it lacked complete transparency ... now

2717
04:13:43,451 --> 04:13:46,951
... you know and the proposals and his motivations were

2718
04:13:46,951 --> 04:13:49,951
surprising to us given what we see as very scant

2719
04:13:49,951 --> 04:13:54,311
support for special study area to up from those were

2720
04:13:54,311 --> 04:13:58,041
willing to speak out openly in the community having said

2721
04:13:58,041 --> 04:14:00,611
that we are grateful that the planning department the mayor

2722
04:14:00,611 --> 04:14:03,511
and the council have responded to public pressure and are

2723
04:14:03,511 --> 04:14:06,791
finally giving this matter proper hearing in a public forum

2724
04:14:07,441 --> 04:14:10,221
I'm grateful for the notices being received and for making

2725
04:14:10,221 --> 04:14:13,881
available people's reactions and views and especially grateful for the

2726
04:14:13,881 --> 04:14:18,971
recommendation of the stuff to remove special study area to

2727
04:14:18,971 --> 04:14:22,401
so inclusion of the lesson the greenbelt overall I'm essentially

2728
04:14:22,401 --> 04:14:26,061
going I I'd like to applaud the previous speaker whose

2729
04:14:26,061 --> 04:14:31,161
views and ... substantive comments Michael echo of inclusion of

2730
04:14:31,161 --> 04:14:33,481
the lands in the green belts would displace during peak

2731
04:14:33,481 --> 04:14:36,541
growth in our area the greater golden horseshoe is really

2732
04:14:36,541 --> 04:14:40,131
the major engine of economic growth not just for our

2733
04:14:40,131 --> 04:14:43,061
local communities but for Ontario and really Canada as a

2734
04:14:43,061 --> 04:14:46,541
whole and as you know the province has a plan

2735
04:14:46,541 --> 04:14:51,721
for major growth all along the expanded shoreline of Lake

2736
04:14:51,721 --> 04:14:55,761
Ontario between Hamilton ... and you castle in what is

2737
04:14:55,761 --> 04:14:59,611
essentially the most well equipped infrastructure noting Canada in terms

2738
04:14:59,611 --> 04:15:05,001
of transportation energy generation supplying public services like hospitals schools

2739
04:15:05,001 --> 04:15:10,301
roads so the contemplated greenbelt expansion would really in circle

2740
04:15:10,301 --> 04:15:14,071
and isolate Clarington and within Clarence and it would further

2741
04:15:14,071 --> 04:15:17,951
isolate each of cordis Bowmanville Newcastle

2742
04:15:17,951 --> 04:15:20,631
they shared an employment growth in the area would effectively

2743
04:15:20,631 --> 04:15:24,521
be blocked for generations to come to my knowledge no

2744
04:15:24,521 --> 04:15:28,251
other communities along the garden golden horseshoe have advocated for

2745
04:15:28,251 --> 04:15:32,801
themselves to become isolated and to curtail future growth

2746
04:15:32,801 --> 04:15:35,971
... the fact that the fact is that given given

2747
04:15:35,971 --> 04:15:40,051
what's happening with immigration policies and the economy the GTA

2748
04:15:40,051 --> 04:15:42,851
the golden horseshoe will continue to grow and as the

2749
04:15:42,851 --> 04:15:45,841
previous speaker said people need places to live and work

2750
04:15:46,051 --> 04:15:49,171
and if Clarence and she helps local growth the jobs

2751
04:15:49,171 --> 04:15:51,561
in the investments will simply go elsewhere so we are

2752
04:15:51,561 --> 04:15:54,641
not saving land we're just saving landing on the local

2753
04:15:54,641 --> 04:15:58,831
neighborhood this proposal will simply disgrace growth to other communities

2754
04:15:58,831 --> 04:16:01,761
that are able to accommodate that growth because they're not

2755
04:16:01,761 --> 04:16:06,101
burdened by greenbelt restrictions so while we we feel the

2756
04:16:06,101 --> 04:16:10,011
greenbelt does provide an important and very robust framework for

2757
04:16:10,011 --> 04:16:14,161
the protection of greenspace and prime agricultural land we don't

2758
04:16:14,161 --> 04:16:16,851
believe that is your program framework for the land and

2759
04:16:16,851 --> 04:16:19,351
special state study area to

2760
04:16:19,351 --> 04:16:22,531
and the proposal is actually laughing together lots of different

2761
04:16:22,531 --> 04:16:25,081
types of land to the east and the west I

2762
04:16:25,081 --> 04:16:27,771
mean for example the area west of boulder bill ...

2763
04:16:27,821 --> 04:16:31,111
already has been fragmented by major roads like highway four

2764
04:16:31,111 --> 04:16:35,181
twelve fourteen the Darlington plant height record or the police

2765
04:16:35,181 --> 04:16:39,301
station and the settlements and a few big box stores

2766
04:16:39,301 --> 04:16:42,681
so it's being described already by some farmers are challenging

2767
04:16:42,681 --> 04:16:45,971
to farm given the highly trafficked roads where it's difficult

2768
04:16:45,971 --> 04:16:49,551
to move equipment and the farmland is already fragmented to

2769
04:16:49,551 --> 04:16:51,921
the to the extent that some of the farmers claim

2770
04:16:51,921 --> 04:16:55,121
they can't achieve scale and they can't farm the lands

2771
04:16:55,121 --> 04:16:58,571
viably or there simply aren't enough large tracts of land

2772
04:16:58,571 --> 04:17:01,091
in close proximity to one another

2773
04:17:01,091 --> 04:17:04,431
also clearing ten is the beneficiary of for the largest

2774
04:17:04,461 --> 04:17:08,891
infrastructure projects in the country and these projects were explicitly

2775
04:17:08,891 --> 04:17:13,431
supported by Clarence in council so these projects represent massive

2776
04:17:13,431 --> 04:17:18,271
investments by several layers of government investment that's ultimately supported

2777
04:17:18,271 --> 04:17:24,441
by taxpaying individuals and corporations ... Ontario so that's highway

2778
04:17:24,441 --> 04:17:28,531
four oh seven extension the opening of highways for twelve

2779
04:17:28,531 --> 04:17:32,531
and fourteen well known but when the hospital the Darlington

2780
04:17:32,531 --> 04:17:37,211
power plant refurbishment the go train expansion when bill ...

2781
04:17:37,241 --> 04:17:41,191
and more and more these projects were intended to accommodate

2782
04:17:41,191 --> 04:17:44,581
the US population and employment growth and ending the green

2783
04:17:44,581 --> 04:17:49,471
belt and then circling each of Cortes Bowmanville Newcastle is

2784
04:17:49,471 --> 04:17:53,901
effectively going to block growth in perpetuity and really represent

2785
04:17:53,931 --> 04:17:58,691
a colossal waste of billions of taxpayer funded government spending

2786
04:17:58,691 --> 04:18:00,831
on these projects

2787
04:18:00,831 --> 04:18:04,111
so we feel that the removal of virtually all of

2788
04:18:04,111 --> 04:18:07,381
clearing since territory for this kind of gross R. for

2789
04:18:07,381 --> 04:18:10,621
the projects that the growth of the these projects envisioned

2790
04:18:10,621 --> 04:18:14,741
is really poor planning and it's it's actually perplexing

2791
04:18:14,741 --> 04:18:18,121
given his reasoning was strongly opposed to municipal requested the

2792
04:18:18,121 --> 04:18:21,171
lands being in special status to be reviewed by the

2793
04:18:21,171 --> 04:18:25,671
province and we ask that the ... SS eight to

2794
04:18:26,031 --> 04:18:29,011
be deleted from the official plan thank you again for

2795
04:18:29,011 --> 04:18:31,011
allowing me to speak

2796
04:18:31,011 --> 04:18:32,281
she

2797
04:18:32,281 --> 04:18:35,261
thank you very much our

2798
04:18:35,261 --> 04:18:37,721
mayor foster you

2799
04:18:37,721 --> 04:18:41,321
correct thank you thank you Mister chair Mister gotta you're

2800
04:18:41,321 --> 04:18:46,051
aware of that is that after ... the motion yeah

2801
04:18:46,051 --> 04:18:48,811
this was with regards to home hardware was put forward

2802
04:18:48,811 --> 04:18:52,971
it was immediately withdrawn by letter to the minister and

2803
04:18:52,971 --> 04:18:55,991
that yes okay under okay so okay I was getting

2804
04:18:55,991 --> 04:19:00,671
confused I and you're aware that the report ... is

2805
04:19:00,801 --> 04:19:03,481
is saying to delete that we can delete the last

2806
04:19:04,201 --> 04:19:07,311
study area absolutely and I'm just saying that I'm just

2807
04:19:07,741 --> 04:19:09,011
I'm just

2808
04:19:09,011 --> 04:19:10,561
piling on

2809
04:19:10,561 --> 04:19:12,221
okay

2810
04:19:12,221 --> 04:19:16,341
thank you thank you Mister chair thank you a foster

2811
04:19:16,341 --> 04:19:18,781
ana

2812
04:19:18,781 --> 04:19:23,951
transporters thank you just a quick question on the Sentinel

2813
04:19:23,951 --> 04:19:26,781
when did you say you bought your land two thousand

2814
04:19:26,781 --> 04:19:29,731
seventeen

2815
04:19:29,731 --> 04:19:32,971
thank you adult care isn't appropriate for me to ask

2816
04:19:32,971 --> 04:19:37,521
doctor question at this point share

2817
04:19:37,521 --> 04:19:40,061
why not go ahead

2818
04:19:40,061 --> 04:19:41,941
because I think it was I think it is in

2819
04:19:41,941 --> 04:19:45,401
the ... procedural bylaw which I learned last week yeah

2820
04:19:45,461 --> 04:19:49,161
I'm so I'm staff when did the special study area

2821
04:19:49,161 --> 04:19:59,341
number to come into existence

2822
04:19:59,341 --> 04:20:03,561
our research yes thank you

2823
04:20:03,561 --> 04:20:07,361
thank you Sir yes ... the policies were adopted by

2824
04:20:07,391 --> 04:20:11,101
thirteen council in November of twenty sixteen and the policies

2825
04:20:11,101 --> 04:20:17,381
were approved by regional council in June of twenty seventeen

2826
04:20:17,381 --> 04:20:19,811
okay thank you

2827
04:20:19,811 --> 04:20:22,481
thank you cards that's it for

2828
04:20:22,481 --> 04:20:25,651
are there any other questions from

2829
04:20:25,651 --> 04:20:27,791
members of council

2830
04:20:27,791 --> 04:20:31,591
they're being non thank you very much

2831
04:20:31,591 --> 04:20:36,161
is regarded for your presentation

2832
04:20:36,161 --> 04:20:41,831
on may support are you on the line now

2833
04:20:41,831 --> 04:20:45,671
your mate Minnesota

2834
04:20:45,671 --> 04:20:49,011
hello yes please that we can hear you but it's

2835
04:20:49,011 --> 04:20:52,191
a bit local you'll speak public please

2836
04:20:52,191 --> 04:20:56,161
okay thank you for allowing me to speak tonight they're

2837
04:20:56,161 --> 04:21:00,151
strongly recommend that council vote in support of the recommendation

2838
04:21:00,501 --> 04:21:03,881
to delay to special study area too from the official

2839
04:21:03,881 --> 04:21:09,411
plan staff report we're told by the family sharing SSA

2840
04:21:09,411 --> 04:21:15,451
to the criteria used for rural agricultural and environmental protection

2841
04:21:16,131 --> 04:21:21,141
for rural protection there are existing policies and regulations in

2842
04:21:21,141 --> 04:21:26,531
place to maintain borough area and limit urban growth

2843
04:21:26,531 --> 04:21:30,911
the cultural protection the deletion of SS three two will

2844
04:21:30,911 --> 04:21:36,221
not change current lan designation farmers can continue to farm

2845
04:21:36,591 --> 04:21:39,691
as has been said and the future of their land

2846
04:21:39,841 --> 04:21:42,261
remains in their control

2847
04:21:42,261 --> 04:21:47,761
the agricultural advisory committee has not taken a definitive position

2848
04:21:48,041 --> 04:21:52,661
on the retention or deletion of SSA to

2849
04:21:52,661 --> 04:21:56,841
and through zone query engine clearing has been working on

2850
04:21:56,841 --> 04:22:02,111
environmental protection in both rural and urban areas

2851
04:22:02,111 --> 04:22:07,151
but most public comments received on this matter referred to

2852
04:22:07,151 --> 04:22:13,901
considerations that include Clarence Jones economic future and community growth

2853
04:22:13,901 --> 04:22:17,911
residents would like to have more industry with more jobs

2854
04:22:17,911 --> 04:22:23,591
close to home more commercial enterprises and services located locally

2855
04:22:23,971 --> 04:22:27,431
to reduce their need to travel to Toronto and to

2856
04:22:27,431 --> 04:22:30,691
other western parts of your own or to port hope

2857
04:22:30,721 --> 04:22:32,471
and Cobourg

2858
04:22:32,471 --> 04:22:36,531
you have laid the groundwork for query can grow future

2859
04:22:36,531 --> 04:22:41,241
growth with your support of major infrastructure projects

2860
04:22:41,241 --> 04:22:44,541
and most will be willing to pay their fair share

2861
04:22:44,851 --> 04:22:48,851
of future costs to adequately add the next band needed

2862
04:22:48,851 --> 04:22:55,291
social services recreational and community programs and facilities while maintaining

2863
04:22:55,591 --> 04:23:00,101
a clean healthy safe community in the future but we

2864
04:23:00,101 --> 04:23:03,331
need to spread the tax burden

2865
04:23:03,331 --> 04:23:08,231
the report recommends that submissions received on SS eight to

2866
04:23:08,541 --> 04:23:12,441
be directed to the upcoming official read the plan review

2867
04:23:13,171 --> 04:23:18,001
and the problem has recently announced another review of greenbelt

2868
04:23:18,001 --> 04:23:19,631
expansion

2869
04:23:19,631 --> 04:23:23,891
well the municipality be participating in this provincial call for

2870
04:23:23,891 --> 04:23:25,511
comments

2871
04:23:25,511 --> 04:23:30,741
I respectfully suggest that council direct staff to create and

2872
04:23:30,741 --> 04:23:36,041
maintain a list of parties interested in this SSA to

2873
04:23:36,041 --> 04:23:39,721
pros fast and greenbelt expansion

2874
04:23:39,721 --> 04:23:43,481
this would keep interested parties informed of changes that might

2875
04:23:43,511 --> 04:23:48,311
affect their properties as well as any potential changes to

2876
04:23:48,311 --> 04:23:50,881
the green belt locally

2877
04:23:50,881 --> 04:23:55,631
Erin all right at that stroke both programs the official

2878
04:23:55,631 --> 04:24:01,461
plan review and the review for greenbelt expansion the municipality

2879
04:24:01,541 --> 04:24:08,341
go beyond the minimal bureaucratic requirements for public notification

2880
04:24:08,341 --> 04:24:12,021
it is difficult for the average person to understand Craddick

2881
04:24:12,021 --> 04:24:18,631
language fuller information in user friendly language understood by all

2882
04:24:18,931 --> 04:24:21,931
would certainly be appreciated

2883
04:24:21,931 --> 04:24:26,401
we have seen the consequences when property owners are not

2884
04:24:26,431 --> 04:24:30,651
notified and when the public does not understand what is

2885
04:24:30,651 --> 04:24:34,341
being proposed are considered by council

2886
04:24:34,341 --> 04:24:38,931
let's not have a repeat of the frustrating process we

2887
04:24:38,931 --> 04:24:44,371
saw strong query and eat P. designation in rural areas

2888
04:24:44,791 --> 04:24:48,411
and the public career action with a green belt proposal

2889
04:24:48,411 --> 04:24:52,261
was added to a letter supporting and M. zero request

2890
04:24:52,801 --> 04:24:58,081
I'm asking thank you Mr mayor and each individual counselor

2891
04:24:58,491 --> 04:25:02,091
to diligently ensure the public

2892
04:25:02,091 --> 04:25:07,151
killer elite affected property owners are notified and informed of

2893
04:25:07,151 --> 04:25:13,421
council's position and any proposals related to the green belt

2894
04:25:13,421 --> 04:25:16,201
I recognized hello

2895
04:25:16,201 --> 04:25:19,081
at the end use designations are only a part of

2896
04:25:19,081 --> 04:25:24,931
council's responsibility and only a part of your future agenda

2897
04:25:24,931 --> 04:25:28,551
twenty twenty two will be a busy year for counsel

2898
04:25:29,111 --> 04:25:32,731
it's a continuation of the work yet to be undertaken

2899
04:25:32,761 --> 04:25:37,341
on its own query trunk the official plan review and

2900
04:25:37,411 --> 04:25:42,331
I mean as a whole Alexion however in summary for

2901
04:25:42,331 --> 04:25:47,691
this evening I am making five recommendations for your consideration

2902
04:25:48,341 --> 04:25:52,571
to vote to support integration of SSH shoe from the

2903
04:25:52,571 --> 04:25:54,401
official plan

2904
04:25:54,401 --> 04:25:59,041
do you base decisions made on a balanced approach that

2905
04:25:59,041 --> 04:26:05,831
includes consideration of Clarendon's grow its future economy and quality

2906
04:26:05,871 --> 04:26:10,541
of life just set up a list of interested parties

2907
04:26:10,851 --> 04:26:16,241
to keep them properly notified and properly informed through any

2908
04:26:16,241 --> 04:26:22,411
process that includes greenbelt expansion and to continue to keep

2909
04:26:22,411 --> 04:26:26,201
query chin a great place to work play and raise

2910
04:26:26,201 --> 04:26:31,091
their families thank you

2911
04:26:31,091 --> 04:26:33,931
thank you very much Mr order are there any questions

2912
04:26:33,931 --> 04:26:41,191
for the Birmingham from members of the council

2913
04:26:41,191 --> 04:26:43,731
the IBM nine thank you very much in order for

2914
04:26:43,731 --> 04:26:48,541
your partner's name

2915
04:26:48,541 --> 04:26:52,171
H.

2916
04:26:52,171 --> 04:26:54,911
I'll move on to the next the elegant on it

2917
04:26:55,281 --> 04:27:03,681
Stephen seventy Mr Selby are you on the line

2918
04:27:03,681 --> 04:27:14,671
Mississauga you may remember it

2919
04:27:14,671 --> 04:27:22,741
Mr Selby are you there

2920
04:27:22,741 --> 04:27:25,741
okay I'll I'll move on and then I will revert

2921
04:27:25,851 --> 04:27:30,101
back to the next Alexander is Mister Charles Stevens but

2922
04:27:30,101 --> 04:27:33,551
Stevens are you on the line I am Sir how

2923
04:27:33,551 --> 04:27:37,251
long is this one I am very well that's very

2924
04:27:37,251 --> 04:27:41,281
good go ahead please Sir you're up ten minutes very

2925
04:27:41,281 --> 04:27:44,791
good thank you for a ... allowing me to talk

2926
04:27:44,791 --> 04:27:49,031
on this subject ... I was asked to do this

2927
04:27:49,031 --> 04:27:51,201
by the ...

2928
04:27:51,201 --> 04:27:54,461
somebody up from the planning department so that very much

2929
04:27:54,461 --> 04:28:00,831
appreciated ... Mr mayor and councillors stand up landing it

2930
04:28:01,011 --> 04:28:06,291
delegates there was a written submission that I hold most

2931
04:28:06,291 --> 04:28:10,071
dear have glass have a read it ... it gives

2932
04:28:10,071 --> 04:28:13,331
you a bit of our background couple things that I

2933
04:28:13,631 --> 04:28:17,991
wanted to add to that that ... that donors that

2934
04:28:17,991 --> 04:28:21,331
is not enough to reduce emissions and that is I

2935
04:28:21,331 --> 04:28:25,081
have formed on both sides of the ball and built

2936
04:28:25,111 --> 04:28:28,841
in my lifetime twenty five years on the west side

2937
04:28:29,491 --> 04:28:32,441
on a family farm that was bought in eighteen ten

2938
04:28:33,061 --> 04:28:37,671
and I formed on the east side between both of

2939
04:28:37,671 --> 04:28:42,301
them to actual forty five years ... I know Mr

2940
04:28:42,301 --> 04:28:45,801
Campbell said there's no difference in ... the growing of

2941
04:28:45,801 --> 04:28:48,401
apples but I can tell you for sure that there's

2942
04:28:48,401 --> 04:28:53,141
a difference between growing corn or soybeans in the quality

2943
04:28:53,141 --> 04:28:57,901
of the land ... obviously apples are a different beast

2944
04:28:57,901 --> 04:28:59,961
and no we grew up was on that side too

2945
04:28:59,961 --> 04:29:02,491
and I would agree with Mr camp on that there

2946
04:29:02,491 --> 04:29:06,931
wasn't a whole lot of difference ...

2947
04:29:06,931 --> 04:29:12,271
I ... I'm also ... this is just a ...

2948
04:29:12,761 --> 04:29:16,981
all of my my qualifications here I wouldn't share past

2949
04:29:16,981 --> 04:29:20,681
chair of the Ontario oppa growers I was chair for

2950
04:29:20,681 --> 04:29:25,651
six years president lead vice chair of the Ontario fruit

2951
04:29:25,651 --> 04:29:29,951
and vegetable growers association what's a looks after all of

2952
04:29:29,951 --> 04:29:31,281
the ...

2953
04:29:31,281 --> 04:29:34,371
issues concerning up through this fall so that's where I

2954
04:29:34,371 --> 04:29:37,461
come from I'm not a farmer I used to be

2955
04:29:37,461 --> 04:29:41,581
but I'm not anymore ... my dad dad ... and

2956
04:29:41,581 --> 04:29:45,441
... I'm not really a cash crop farmer wrote Mr

2957
04:29:45,441 --> 04:29:49,681
sobie does that for me on my access ground I

2958
04:29:49,681 --> 04:29:55,671
am up in a blueberry grower which are basically

2959
04:29:55,671 --> 04:30:00,491
the gauge double cross to put that into perspective ...

2960
04:30:00,911 --> 04:30:04,051
on a on an acre of soybeans or corn or

2961
04:30:04,051 --> 04:30:09,211
whatever you can gross classically up two thousand dollars an

2962
04:30:09,211 --> 04:30:15,371
acre at hand block on a high value ... horticultural

2963
04:30:15,371 --> 04:30:19,491
crop you can grossed ten to fifteen to twenty thousand

2964
04:30:19,491 --> 04:30:25,081
dollars ... Kirk Baker that's quite a difference also the

2965
04:30:25,081 --> 04:30:29,281
horticulture industry makes a lot of jobs a lot of

2966
04:30:29,281 --> 04:30:35,241
jokes were via ... courted the bees ... they drive

2967
04:30:35,241 --> 04:30:38,771
to combine staytal tire to many people but they are

2968
04:30:38,771 --> 04:30:41,781
still in court so that just give you I'm going

2969
04:30:41,781 --> 04:30:44,941
to give you information here so that you can make

2970
04:30:44,941 --> 04:30:48,121
up a good decision at the end of the day

2971
04:30:48,641 --> 04:30:54,361
so ... number one A. as its farmland isn't dark

2972
04:30:54,391 --> 04:30:59,731
if you're non renewable resource once is taken to be

2973
04:30:59,731 --> 04:31:04,431
built on it's gone forever so it's a non renewable

2974
04:31:04,501 --> 04:31:07,151
resource that we have

2975
04:31:07,151 --> 04:31:10,631
number two which is a huge factor that most people

2976
04:31:10,631 --> 04:31:16,711
have talked about or whatever it's not just about ...

2977
04:31:16,761 --> 04:31:22,421
... the quality of the land that's here it's about

2978
04:31:22,421 --> 04:31:26,491
the micro climate that we have here in Clarington

2979
04:31:26,491 --> 04:31:31,201
close to Lake Ontario it is basically somewhat like what

2980
04:31:31,201 --> 04:31:37,051
they have in Niagara and ... data allowance Niagara to

2981
04:31:37,051 --> 04:31:40,231
grow grapes in tender

2982
04:31:40,231 --> 04:31:44,631
fruit and apple trees and other crops we had the

2983
04:31:44,631 --> 04:31:49,811
same here ... bacon Tereos the big guy and moderate

2984
04:31:49,811 --> 04:31:53,311
Sir arm our weather in the winter time

2985
04:31:53,311 --> 04:31:58,461
and keeps it cooler in the summer time to grow

2986
04:31:58,911 --> 04:32:03,491
these specialty crops ten miles north of here you can't

2987
04:32:03,491 --> 04:32:06,011
grow out I thank Mr camp would agree with me

2988
04:32:06,011 --> 04:32:08,091
on that

2989
04:32:08,091 --> 04:32:12,611
... so there is more than just the quality of

2990
04:32:12,611 --> 04:32:17,161
the land that we're talking about here ... so

2991
04:32:17,161 --> 04:32:20,471
keep that in mind when you make a decision that

2992
04:32:20,521 --> 04:32:24,271
I don't believe there is is he

2993
04:32:24,271 --> 04:32:30,151
it's a very rare commodity have number one agricultural farmland

2994
04:32:30,151 --> 04:32:33,901
connected with a micro climate to grow crops all right

2995
04:32:34,041 --> 04:32:39,801
at it's just it's it's a very finite resource that

2996
04:32:39,801 --> 04:32:44,191
we have in Canada the boat

2997
04:32:44,191 --> 04:32:50,071
so I have no issues with

2998
04:32:50,071 --> 04:32:55,511
fourteen buildings ... of any sorts whether it's industry or

2999
04:32:55,541 --> 04:33:03,091
houses on number four five six seven quality lan I

3000
04:33:03,091 --> 04:33:06,341
think there's lots of it it may cost a little

3001
04:33:06,341 --> 04:33:10,551
bit for services to do that but I think that's

3002
04:33:11,171 --> 04:33:14,171
I have no problem with that but my problem is

3003
04:33:14,171 --> 04:33:17,961
when you take number one two or three

3004
04:33:17,961 --> 04:33:23,891
... and build up a development on the reason for

3005
04:33:23,891 --> 04:33:29,231
that is when you build a house on number one

3006
04:33:29,231 --> 04:33:33,511
prime agricultural land or building on number all right anger

3007
04:33:33,511 --> 04:33:39,091
culture land I don't believe you will get anything more

3008
04:33:39,091 --> 04:33:41,261
aid for that ****

3009
04:33:41,261 --> 04:33:43,401
but when you take

3010
04:33:43,401 --> 04:33:47,911
a farmer and taken from number one agricultural land and

3011
04:33:47,911 --> 04:33:53,061
put him on number five you automatically increases cost

3012
04:33:53,061 --> 04:33:58,121
resources you reduce the crop that they get off of

3013
04:33:58,121 --> 04:33:59,321
that

3014
04:33:59,321 --> 04:34:03,501
and ... basically it makes it very difficult for him

3015
04:34:04,011 --> 04:34:05,711
to compete

3016
04:34:05,711 --> 04:34:08,451
in the world for

3017
04:34:08,451 --> 04:34:10,911
production of those

3018
04:34:10,911 --> 04:34:16,621
products and in the horticulture industry we compete for food

3019
04:34:16,721 --> 04:34:20,051
around the world another point is because I mean the

3020
04:34:20,051 --> 04:34:25,071
apple industry ... X. and I talked to the executive

3021
04:34:25,071 --> 04:34:28,401
director of the way G. today sixty percent of our

3022
04:34:28,401 --> 04:34:31,911
apples that we eat in Ontario are produced in Ontario

3023
04:34:32,431 --> 04:34:36,061
forty percent our import we can do better than that

3024
04:34:36,371 --> 04:34:41,391
but we need to have the proper micro climate and

3025
04:34:41,421 --> 04:34:46,311
land in order to do that and possibly down the

3026
04:34:46,311 --> 04:34:49,481
road we could have grapes and some tender run through

3027
04:34:49,481 --> 04:34:52,381
here the reason I call it tender fruit used because

3028
04:34:52,381 --> 04:34:56,921
mother nature we will allow you to grow in specific

3029
04:34:57,291 --> 04:34:58,771
areas

3030
04:34:58,771 --> 04:35:02,911
so are the finish up here

3031
04:35:02,911 --> 04:35:05,261


3032
04:35:05,261 --> 04:35:09,351
and I'm just trying to read here

3033
04:35:09,351 --> 04:35:11,201
I have

3034
04:35:11,201 --> 04:35:15,321
nothing to R. or you're asking me ... are you

3035
04:35:15,321 --> 04:35:19,101
might ask yourself what have I got to gain by

3036
04:35:19,191 --> 04:35:22,131
my statements I just made and thank you I have

3037
04:35:22,131 --> 04:35:27,521
nothing to gain personally what I believe that the three

3038
04:35:27,521 --> 04:35:30,111
young people that are going to be taking over my

3039
04:35:30,111 --> 04:35:32,881
operation have a locked gate

3040
04:35:32,881 --> 04:35:37,811
stand up to tell you the reason why because ...

3041
04:35:38,041 --> 04:35:40,811
I'd like them to have the opportunity to buy the

3042
04:35:40,811 --> 04:35:44,601
farm next door which is been done for years that's

3043
04:35:44,601 --> 04:35:48,851
how some of the farmers in this area have become

3044
04:35:48,881 --> 04:35:52,321
quite large and Bobby necessary in order to use the

3045
04:35:52,491 --> 04:35:56,731
tools and and the capacity in order to make ...

3046
04:35:56,731 --> 04:36:01,271
a levy so I have three young people to one

3047
04:36:01,271 --> 04:36:07,121
in their twenties to early thirties that if this land

3048
04:36:07,151 --> 04:36:11,731
is not protected with some type of policy for a

3049
04:36:11,731 --> 04:36:13,491
long term

3050
04:36:13,491 --> 04:36:16,671
... it won't work for a twenty year term because

3051
04:36:16,671 --> 04:36:21,561
policies can change due to differences in council people and

3052
04:36:21,561 --> 04:36:23,761
things like that so it's got to be put in

3053
04:36:23,761 --> 04:36:27,861
place for a long term so that they are not

3054
04:36:27,861 --> 04:36:33,741
competing against a developer for that property they are competing

3055
04:36:33,771 --> 04:36:38,471
against farmer to farmer and I'm good with that totally

3056
04:36:38,471 --> 04:36:41,271
good with that but they will not be able to

3057
04:36:41,271 --> 04:36:44,881
expand their operations at all or by a piece of

3058
04:36:44,881 --> 04:36:48,421
property but they're only to ... ... to grow the

3059
04:36:48,421 --> 04:36:52,011
business and ... I think growing business you have to

3060
04:36:52,011 --> 04:36:54,891
grow a business in order to stay in this so

3061
04:36:54,891 --> 04:37:00,831
does not accomplish base will lock up obviously the ...

3062
04:37:00,871 --> 04:37:02,581
okay you told

3063
04:37:02,581 --> 04:37:07,811
so ... thank you very much for letting me talk

3064
04:37:07,811 --> 04:37:13,341
on this ... and I ate I will respect whatever

3065
04:37:13,341 --> 04:37:17,391
decision the ... DO

3066
04:37:17,391 --> 04:37:22,501
Chinese people and this council make on this subject and

3067
04:37:22,501 --> 04:37:25,251
I respect all of the orders that we have in

3068
04:37:25,251 --> 04:37:28,581
this area because I deal

3069
04:37:28,581 --> 04:37:33,611
personally with a couple of them that have opposite views

3070
04:37:34,121 --> 04:37:38,441
to mock thank you so much any questions Grantham is

3071
04:37:38,441 --> 04:37:44,161
the theme of great timing councillor Nero bride please

3072
04:37:44,161 --> 04:37:48,651
so even this might my view is that the region

3073
04:37:48,651 --> 04:37:50,481
of Durham

3074
04:37:50,481 --> 04:37:54,831
can protect prime agricultural land through their official plan another

3075
04:37:54,831 --> 04:37:56,231
words

3076
04:37:56,231 --> 04:38:00,191
if this special study areas is deleted from our official

3077
04:38:00,191 --> 04:38:01,681
plan

3078
04:38:01,681 --> 04:38:04,111
... doesn't seem to be any prime agricultural lands gonna

3079
04:38:04,111 --> 04:38:08,381
get paved over anytime soon because the region is like

3080
04:38:08,381 --> 04:38:12,101
right now doing their initial comprehensive review it which has

3081
04:38:12,101 --> 04:38:13,741
I think

3082
04:38:13,741 --> 04:38:16,611
thank I think it's the thirty year time horizon ...

3083
04:38:17,271 --> 04:38:20,651
so N. as part of that deal

3084
04:38:20,651 --> 04:38:23,931
they won't be I don't think they'll be designated any

3085
04:38:24,261 --> 04:38:27,351
prime agricultural land as ... in within the urban area

3086
04:38:27,351 --> 04:38:31,091
anytime soon so you think that will protect your ...

3087
04:38:31,091 --> 04:38:34,631
address your concerns I don't think so because thirty years

3088
04:38:34,661 --> 04:38:39,211
isn't long enough because ... I know developers set up

3089
04:38:39,211 --> 04:38:44,891
on land and fifty years ago and it's basically ...

3090
04:38:44,891 --> 04:38:48,811
developers have it and they are getting the ... the

3091
04:38:48,811 --> 04:38:54,291
tax ... ... reduction because they've rented it to up

3092
04:38:54,291 --> 04:38:59,281
armor but eventually that property will probably be be ...

3093
04:38:59,681 --> 04:39:03,041
... a tape over it because the farmer can't expand

3094
04:39:03,521 --> 04:39:05,201
because he can't compete

3095
04:39:05,201 --> 04:39:09,751
you can't compete against the price that a developer will

3096
04:39:09,931 --> 04:39:11,251
...

3097
04:39:11,251 --> 04:39:12,851


3098
04:39:12,851 --> 04:39:16,001
okay not even close

3099
04:39:16,001 --> 04:39:18,691
I think okay thank you

3100
04:39:18,691 --> 04:39:20,431
you're welcome

3101
04:39:20,431 --> 04:39:25,881
thank you construct there any other questions for Mister Stevens

3102
04:39:25,881 --> 04:39:28,761
I don't see any thank you very much Sir for

3103
04:39:28,761 --> 04:39:31,561
your presentation

3104
04:39:31,561 --> 04:39:34,871
thank you

3105
04:39:34,871 --> 04:39:39,001
so I will go back to Mr sadly missed this

3106
04:39:39,031 --> 04:39:45,781
shall be are you on the line Stephen Selby

3107
04:39:45,781 --> 04:39:48,111
once the survey yup you don't seem to be on

3108
04:39:48,111 --> 04:39:51,661
the line unless you're muted now

3109
04:39:51,661 --> 04:39:56,331
okay so we'll move on to a misfit dog

3110
04:39:56,331 --> 04:40:01,561
Bramber

3111
04:40:01,561 --> 04:40:08,891
Mr I'm very on the line

3112
04:40:08,891 --> 04:40:11,581
going to try

3113
04:40:11,581 --> 04:40:14,831
you may be muted Sir I see are under lock

3114
04:40:15,381 --> 04:40:24,941
your muted

3115
04:40:24,941 --> 04:40:27,771
yes the firm

3116
04:40:27,771 --> 04:40:30,691
Mr Robert top running corner of your screen on the

3117
04:40:30,691 --> 04:40:34,161
team's screen there is little ... mark from looking online

3118
04:40:34,161 --> 04:40:36,321
with a line through it if you could click that

3119
04:40:36,451 --> 04:40:39,131
on yourself you can see that you have in hand

3120
04:40:39,131 --> 04:40:40,811
up

3121
04:40:40,811 --> 04:40:42,621
but you were just on me itself you can go

3122
04:40:42,621 --> 04:40:52,621
ahead

3123
04:40:53,211 --> 04:40:55,191
restaurant brands

3124
04:40:55,191 --> 04:40:56,411
yes

3125
04:40:56,411 --> 04:40:59,981
go ahead please Sir can you hear me

3126
04:40:59,981 --> 04:41:02,671
the yes but you could could you speak up a

3127
04:41:02,671 --> 04:41:05,291
little bit louder please

3128
04:41:05,291 --> 04:41:09,611
yes correct is there any better yes

3129
04:41:09,611 --> 04:41:11,251
go ahead please

3130
04:41:11,251 --> 04:41:15,601
okay Mister chair thank you very much for having her

3131
04:41:15,711 --> 04:41:19,351
giving me the opportunity to speak before you and the

3132
04:41:19,351 --> 04:41:22,211
committee members

3133
04:41:22,211 --> 04:41:24,081


3134
04:41:24,081 --> 04:41:28,701
IBM

3135
04:41:28,701 --> 04:41:32,461
I looked at the results from the April twenty six

3136
04:41:32,461 --> 04:41:37,431
committee meeting and I noticed that ... seventy point seventy

3137
04:41:37,431 --> 04:41:42,671
one percent of the ... verbal and written submissions ...

3138
04:41:42,901 --> 04:41:48,891
opted for deleting ... those sections out of the operating

3139
04:41:48,891 --> 04:41:50,291
plan

3140
04:41:50,291 --> 04:41:54,101
... and only fourteen percent I want to keep that

3141
04:41:54,101 --> 04:41:56,221
policy

3142
04:41:56,221 --> 04:42:01,671
... in my letter that I address to the council

3143
04:42:01,971 --> 04:42:04,111
April twenty second

3144
04:42:04,111 --> 04:42:07,481
... I've sent ... I think very clearly and I

3145
04:42:07,481 --> 04:42:10,501
I don't want to waste your your time this evening

3146
04:42:10,901 --> 04:42:14,511
ugh going over point by point by point ... I

3147
04:42:14,511 --> 04:42:17,131
understand from ...

3148
04:42:17,131 --> 04:42:23,171
that ... there's one letter is on a website that

3149
04:42:23,171 --> 04:42:26,931
you can that everyone can get access

3150
04:42:26,931 --> 04:42:29,571
I believe that

3151
04:42:29,571 --> 04:42:37,851
my arguments ... are very specific very clear and address

3152
04:42:37,851 --> 04:42:42,751
the issue that that term ...

3153
04:42:42,751 --> 04:42:44,951
the council should

3154
04:42:44,951 --> 04:42:49,741
should keep the the section of

3155
04:42:49,741 --> 04:42:51,501


3156
04:42:51,501 --> 04:42:56,411
... thirteen point three point two as well as section

3157
04:42:56,411 --> 04:43:00,561
seventeen a special area institutional plan

3158
04:43:00,561 --> 04:43:01,901
yeah

3159
04:43:01,901 --> 04:43:09,121
having said that I believe that that

3160
04:43:09,121 --> 04:43:11,501
each of the 3

3161
04:43:11,501 --> 04:43:13,201
there is

3162
04:43:13,201 --> 04:43:18,721
Kurdish woman built a new castle are vastly different one

3163
04:43:18,721 --> 04:43:23,951
from the other both in terms of population perhaps even

3164
04:43:23,951 --> 04:43:25,681
density

3165
04:43:25,681 --> 04:43:31,341
marginalization industrialization they're they're all different

3166
04:43:31,341 --> 04:43:36,621
what I would recommend despite what my April 2

3167
04:43:36,621 --> 04:43:40,321
on the second letter said I am I believe that

3168
04:43:40,841 --> 04:43:46,461
that the white belt surrounding Newcastle

3169
04:43:46,461 --> 04:43:51,201
over to an including ... the section thirty five and

3170
04:43:51,201 --> 04:43:53,371
one fifteen highway

3171
04:43:53,371 --> 04:43:57,671
sure

3172
04:43:57,671 --> 04:44:00,541
remain in any

3173
04:44:00,541 --> 04:44:02,381
reporter should be

3174
04:44:02,381 --> 04:44:06,881
should be separate each of these are separate the experience

3175
04:44:07,241 --> 04:44:10,131
and I think you're special plan

3176
04:44:10,131 --> 04:44:14,941
can be amended such that you give recognition to to

3177
04:44:15,211 --> 04:44:18,921
to each of these these errors

3178
04:44:18,921 --> 04:44:22,661
... my wife and I twenty five odd years ago

3179
04:44:22,661 --> 04:44:27,871
but the ... old Allen homestead over two hundred acres

3180
04:44:28,401 --> 04:44:32,241
and ... ... north to the east coast ... seeping

3181
04:44:32,241 --> 04:44:36,221
growing traps and we noticed that the verbal or the

3182
04:44:36,221 --> 04:44:41,721
the white belt is east of of Arthur street we

3183
04:44:41,721 --> 04:44:47,651
have an archer street and ...

3184
04:44:47,651 --> 04:44:51,161
that is in bad

3185
04:44:51,161 --> 04:44:55,141
yeah plus the area ... over two thirty five one

3186
04:44:55,141 --> 04:44:57,461
fifteen ten north

3187
04:44:57,461 --> 04:45:02,201
our prime agricultural lands that

3188
04:45:02,201 --> 04:45:07,261
should be protected and and I think the council should

3189
04:45:07,711 --> 04:45:13,451
should do everything in its power to to encourage ...

3190
04:45:13,551 --> 04:45:20,921
the preservation of these agricultural intense areas that I think

3191
04:45:20,921 --> 04:45:25,931
is unique out of the you know correct castle area

3192
04:45:25,931 --> 04:45:31,171


3193
04:45:31,171 --> 04:45:32,731


3194
04:45:32,731 --> 04:45:35,731
also I think

3195
04:45:35,731 --> 04:45:41,791
perhaps ... SM station thirteen point three point two can

3196
04:45:41,791 --> 04:45:46,081
be amended instead of them Mr Belding supports is the

3197
04:45:46,111 --> 04:45:50,621
expansion of the green belt land area to provide long

3198
04:45:50,621 --> 04:45:55,481
term protection of agricultural lands perhaps it can be amended

3199
04:45:55,481 --> 04:46:00,091
slightly ... and then say that ... you know based

3200
04:46:00,091 --> 04:46:06,411
on on nine of scientific evidence that that is prime

3201
04:46:06,411 --> 04:46:11,151
agricultural land is is worth while protecting and should be

3202
04:46:11,151 --> 04:46:13,121
on the green

3203
04:46:13,121 --> 04:46:17,951
plan area I'm in support that

3204
04:46:17,951 --> 04:46:23,301
I wouldn't I would support anything that makes you

3205
04:46:23,301 --> 04:46:28,251
new cash so unique from Bowmanville and Kurdish

3206
04:46:28,251 --> 04:46:32,501


3207
04:46:32,501 --> 04:46:35,651
there was a study ... I know it's twenty years

3208
04:46:35,651 --> 04:46:41,341
ago but the area on the east side of Newcastle

3209
04:46:41,341 --> 04:46:48,291
between CPR railway traction and concession three dimensional sank fourteen

3210
04:46:48,911 --> 04:46:53,141
which is ... a wooded area and and added this

3211
04:46:53,141 --> 04:46:57,831
story ... approved by ... either again or ask a

3212
04:46:57,831 --> 04:47:05,151
region conservation authority who hired me the new year ...

3213
04:47:05,151 --> 04:47:08,651
person who prepared the debt the company to

3214
04:47:08,651 --> 04:47:13,631
or that it is yes Sir it is a

3215
04:47:13,631 --> 04:47:17,761


3216
04:47:17,761 --> 04:47:21,161
it is a very specific

3217
04:47:21,161 --> 04:47:23,031


3218
04:47:23,031 --> 04:47:25,101


3219
04:47:25,101 --> 04:47:29,321
cage part of the land here is the source of

3220
04:47:29,491 --> 04:47:34,451
two creeks are these north and south the ... foster

3221
04:47:34,451 --> 04:47:35,931
creek

3222
04:47:35,931 --> 04:47:43,251
... they also yes what area also supports countless so

3223
04:47:43,761 --> 04:47:45,541
wildlife

3224
04:47:45,541 --> 04:47:47,031


3225
04:47:47,031 --> 04:47:49,471
yeah

3226
04:47:49,471 --> 04:47:53,711
I'm sorry can you still hear me

3227
04:47:53,711 --> 04:47:56,041
yes Sir yes we're down

3228
04:47:56,041 --> 04:47:59,991
okay thank you

3229
04:47:59,991 --> 04:48:03,051
and and that

3230
04:48:03,051 --> 04:48:08,491
... we believe that areas such as that she should

3231
04:48:08,491 --> 04:48:12,801
be protected and the best in my opinion the best

3232
04:48:12,801 --> 04:48:17,441
way is to include that in in the green belt

3233
04:48:17,441 --> 04:48:22,001
area ... that's not my decision of course but I

3234
04:48:22,001 --> 04:48:27,151
think I think ... ...

3235
04:48:27,151 --> 04:48:30,591
for the reasons that are sent out that that any

3236
04:48:30,591 --> 04:48:33,621
day the decision is going to be made and it's

3237
04:48:33,621 --> 04:48:36,961
a ton of new castle bases

3238
04:48:36,961 --> 04:48:41,311
... based on our science based starting prior to the

3239
04:48:41,311 --> 04:48:46,711
decision that it's harder for cultural and

3240
04:48:46,711 --> 04:48:49,131
or German

3241
04:48:49,131 --> 04:48:52,721
... that decision has to be made what it should

3242
04:48:52,721 --> 04:48:58,571
be made based on on on some science based study

3243
04:48:58,571 --> 04:49:01,271


3244
04:49:01,271 --> 04:49:06,721
that basically sums ... stems out of my mind presentation

3245
04:49:06,911 --> 04:49:10,901
I'm sorry I wasn't available he's

3246
04:49:10,901 --> 04:49:15,781
on April twenty six percent in detail what the content

3247
04:49:15,781 --> 04:49:20,081
of my letter ... I had a hearing problem where

3248
04:49:20,201 --> 04:49:23,381
a computer problem ...

3249
04:49:23,381 --> 04:49:24,611
yeah

3250
04:49:24,611 --> 04:49:30,081
it's overcome now but I highly recommend there you go

3251
04:49:30,131 --> 04:49:33,811
go to the website and look up ... my letter

3252
04:49:34,161 --> 04:49:38,411
of April the twenty second ... and it was addressed

3253
04:49:38,411 --> 04:49:45,161
to Carrington ... council tension Lisa backers

3254
04:49:45,161 --> 04:49:49,781
do any of you have any questions the only question

3255
04:49:49,781 --> 04:49:57,091
members of constant grumbling

3256
04:49:57,091 --> 04:49:59,871
sorry I don't see any answers so thank you very

3257
04:49:59,871 --> 04:50:08,231
much for your presentation

3258
04:50:08,231 --> 04:50:13,761
for removal

3259
04:50:13,761 --> 04:50:18,171
sure by the very

3260
04:50:18,171 --> 04:50:21,301
when is the guard rail are you on the line

3261
04:50:21,301 --> 04:50:23,941
yes I am can you hear me yes we've gone

3262
04:50:23,941 --> 04:50:26,921
go ahead please yep ten minutes

3263
04:50:26,921 --> 04:50:29,501
thank you very much ... if it's okay I'd like

3264
04:50:29,501 --> 04:50:39,021
to share my screen the presentation yes go ahead

3265
04:50:39,021 --> 04:50:44,371
I can use that

3266
04:50:44,371 --> 04:50:46,571
yes John

3267
04:50:46,571 --> 04:50:49,511
thank you very much ... my name is Sean Galbraith

3268
04:50:49,511 --> 04:50:53,511
I'm an urban planner I am ... retained by freedom

3269
04:50:53,511 --> 04:50:57,041
mobile out to help with the application for the new

3270
04:50:57,041 --> 04:51:01,731
telecommunications tower at thirty six twelve trolls road ... and

3271
04:51:01,731 --> 04:51:07,221
there is a report to yourselves later on tonight that

3272
04:51:07,221 --> 04:51:10,321
... pertains to this installation so I thought I would

3273
04:51:11,071 --> 04:51:13,551
let you know a little bit about the project and

3274
04:51:13,551 --> 04:51:15,701
sort of how it came about in case you had

3275
04:51:15,701 --> 04:51:20,861
any questions for me ... first ...

3276
04:51:20,861 --> 04:51:24,321
a little bit about the Canadian wireless industry as I'm

3277
04:51:24,321 --> 04:51:29,681
sure everybody knows ... wireless devices are a crucial part

3278
04:51:30,201 --> 04:51:32,861
of our day to day lives more than sixty percent

3279
04:51:32,861 --> 04:51:35,061
of nine one one calls are made from a wireless

3280
04:51:35,061 --> 04:51:39,461
device and ... if you had a Rogers phone a

3281
04:51:39,461 --> 04:51:42,821
few weeks ago when the network went out entirely cross

3282
04:51:42,821 --> 04:51:46,561
Canada I'm sure you were pretty inconvenienced ... by that

3283
04:51:46,561 --> 04:51:49,251
that by that outage and I don't know how many

3284
04:51:49,251 --> 04:51:52,371
nine one one calls weren't weren't able to be made

3285
04:51:52,611 --> 04:51:56,141
... for an entire day on that network ... but

3286
04:51:56,141 --> 04:51:59,981
a lot of the the demands for new infrastructure like

3287
04:52:00,011 --> 04:52:04,721
cell towers ... is driven by data usage which is

3288
04:52:04,721 --> 04:52:08,511
increasing at about thirty four percent per year it's basically

3289
04:52:08,511 --> 04:52:12,301
exponentially increasing and it doesn't matter if it's in downtown

3290
04:52:12,301 --> 04:52:15,341
Toronto referred to in a more rural area of clear

3291
04:52:15,341 --> 04:52:18,931
engine that demand is there and it's only increasing and

3292
04:52:18,931 --> 04:52:23,321
so we have to build more installations and they can't

3293
04:52:23,321 --> 04:52:28,981
just go anywhere ... the after work around the existing

3294
04:52:28,981 --> 04:52:33,261
and antenna network essentially were assembling a three dimensional jigsaw

3295
04:52:33,261 --> 04:52:36,141
puzzle where some of the pieces are already fixed in

3296
04:52:36,141 --> 04:52:39,131
place so on the screen right now is it shows

3297
04:52:39,131 --> 04:52:43,301
where the existing antennas are the blackest black hero is

3298
04:52:43,301 --> 04:52:47,501
where the trolls road site is proposed and the little

3299
04:52:47,641 --> 04:52:53,041
icons are the installations for various carriers the two blue

3300
04:52:53,041 --> 04:52:58,541
ones indicate the location of two existing freedom mobile antenna

3301
04:52:58,541 --> 04:53:01,261
sites are they both happen to be co located on

3302
04:53:01,261 --> 04:53:04,451
other Kerrier towers and so we can't move it's our

3303
04:53:04,711 --> 04:53:09,471
closer that way ... the red one to the south

3304
04:53:09,501 --> 04:53:11,931
is a Roger site but that one is too close

3305
04:53:12,231 --> 04:53:15,211
to the freedom site to its west and so isn't

3306
04:53:15,211 --> 04:53:17,801
a colocation options

3307
04:53:17,801 --> 04:53:21,141
from a from the network engineering nerd perspective this is

3308
04:53:21,141 --> 04:53:24,701
what the network looks like on the on the left

3309
04:53:24,731 --> 04:53:28,791
this is the existing network again the white Erro is

3310
04:53:28,881 --> 04:53:31,971
... where the proposed installation is you can see in

3311
04:53:31,971 --> 04:53:37,611
the sort of purplish ... blobs those are the existing

3312
04:53:37,931 --> 04:53:41,381
our freedom antenna sites and how the signal sort of

3313
04:53:41,381 --> 04:53:46,431
propagates from those sites ... the area that the antenna

3314
04:53:46,431 --> 04:53:50,421
is proposed in is mediocre coverage I would say at

3315
04:53:50,421 --> 04:53:53,811
best ... and on the right is how it would

3316
04:53:53,811 --> 04:53:57,511
be improved by the new installation because of the height

3317
04:53:57,511 --> 04:53:59,921
of the new installation that signals going to Kerry a

3318
04:53:59,921 --> 04:54:04,091
lot farther and improve a much larger area than the

3319
04:54:04,091 --> 04:54:07,281
existing antenna sites in the area do you

3320
04:54:07,281 --> 04:54:10,281
no prior to proposing a new antenna site we have

3321
04:54:10,281 --> 04:54:13,491
to look at what's called co location and the nearest

3322
04:54:13,491 --> 04:54:17,191
antenna site ... to this is I believe a Roger

3323
04:54:17,191 --> 04:54:21,301
site and it's not a colocation option because freedoms antennas

3324
04:54:21,301 --> 04:54:24,881
are already on that tower ... indicated on the right

3325
04:54:24,881 --> 04:54:28,391
hand side ... by the black here those are freedoms

3326
04:54:28,391 --> 04:54:29,921
and tennis

3327
04:54:29,921 --> 04:54:33,611
and so there isn't an alternative to a new tower

3328
04:54:33,611 --> 04:54:36,311
questions where is the new tower go and so we

3329
04:54:36,311 --> 04:54:39,401
have entered into a lease with the owner of the

3330
04:54:39,401 --> 04:54:43,331
nursery on trolls road ... to locate the antenna site

3331
04:54:43,331 --> 04:54:45,961
at the far far back of the property is far

3332
04:54:45,961 --> 04:54:50,091
away from people as possible the internet site is proposed

3333
04:54:50,091 --> 04:54:53,731
to be fifty meters tall which is sort of typical

3334
04:54:53,881 --> 04:54:57,421
for ... rule area we're looking to do a large

3335
04:54:57,421 --> 04:55:01,671
so large that cover a large area from a small

3336
04:55:01,671 --> 04:55:03,941
foot print

3337
04:55:03,941 --> 04:55:07,381
this is sort of the wider area ... whiskey farm

3338
04:55:07,381 --> 04:55:12,121
is to the to the west just behind it

3339
04:55:12,121 --> 04:55:16,481
we prepared three photo simulations from various locations to show

3340
04:55:16,481 --> 04:55:19,031
you what the tower would look like from those vantage

3341
04:55:19,031 --> 04:55:22,601
points this is looking north from Adelaide road you can

3342
04:55:22,601 --> 04:55:26,511
sort of barely see it the most visible spot is

3343
04:55:26,541 --> 04:55:29,751
right in front of the driveway ... and again the

3344
04:55:29,751 --> 04:55:33,831
towers at the far back corner of the property ...

3345
04:55:33,861 --> 04:55:37,431
I don't think this is a particularly visually obtrusive ...

3346
04:55:37,431 --> 04:55:40,731
installation and the trees along the road will largely block

3347
04:55:40,731 --> 04:55:42,741
it for most of the year

3348
04:55:42,741 --> 04:55:47,881
looking south again from front with skis out from pebble

3349
04:55:47,881 --> 04:55:51,181
stone again you can see it but it appears because

3350
04:55:51,181 --> 04:55:55,031
of Justin shorter than other sort of hydro towers and

3351
04:55:55,371 --> 04:56:00,751
and ... phone masts and an existing ... TV antenna

3352
04:56:01,031 --> 04:56:05,511
it actually appears smaller than other infrastructure ... that's just

3353
04:56:05,511 --> 04:56:07,831
sort of around

3354
04:56:07,831 --> 04:56:11,021
we looked at other lands as well prior to this

3355
04:56:11,021 --> 04:56:14,601
one this is been on this site it's sighting has

3356
04:56:14,601 --> 04:56:17,871
been about two years in the making trying to find

3357
04:56:17,871 --> 04:56:21,701
an alternative this was definitely not our first pick it's

3358
04:56:21,701 --> 04:56:24,451
frankly our last pick and we do not have a

3359
04:56:24,451 --> 04:56:27,761
backup site to this to this proposal we looked at

3360
04:56:27,791 --> 04:56:31,131
many other properties in the area ... and are always

3361
04:56:31,131 --> 04:56:34,931
open to other ones ... but either they were not

3362
04:56:34,931 --> 04:56:38,411
a good fit because they were too close to ...

3363
04:56:38,441 --> 04:56:42,881
other existing antenna sites or there was no interest from

3364
04:56:42,881 --> 04:56:46,621
the landowner in us locating an antenna on their property

3365
04:56:47,061 --> 04:56:50,531
... we tried and we were unsuccessful and so we're

3366
04:56:50,531 --> 04:56:52,381
here

3367
04:56:52,381 --> 04:56:55,811
we know that public health is our number one concern

3368
04:56:55,841 --> 04:57:00,261
when these installations are proposing so we we contracted and

3369
04:57:00,261 --> 04:57:05,361
have prepared an independent third party ... tell us what

3370
04:57:05,391 --> 04:57:10,061
the levels would be from this proposed installation and they

3371
04:57:10,061 --> 04:57:13,611
measured and calculated what it would be at three six

3372
04:57:13,701 --> 04:57:17,511
three three four locations ... on the property in on

3373
04:57:17,511 --> 04:57:21,611
the two adjacent properties ... at around the tower itself

3374
04:57:21,611 --> 04:57:25,991
which is marked as location D. at the front the

3375
04:57:26,081 --> 04:57:29,311
sort of the garden center front house building at which

3376
04:57:29,311 --> 04:57:32,721
is C. and then two sheds slash Rogers on the

3377
04:57:32,721 --> 04:57:37,141
adjacent properties which are a and B. of those four

3378
04:57:37,141 --> 04:57:43,101
sites locations see was the highest level it was the

3379
04:57:43,101 --> 04:57:46,321
the the strongest signal level

3380
04:57:46,321 --> 04:57:49,391
but it's not actually that strong so if you look

3381
04:57:49,391 --> 04:57:52,951
at this table on the left hand side is the

3382
04:57:52,951 --> 04:57:58,421
maximum allowable exposure ... from ... from an antenna site

3383
04:57:58,601 --> 04:58:02,571
as allowed by health Canada's safety code six you're allowed

3384
04:58:02,821 --> 04:58:05,811
up to a hundred percent of that it doesn't matter

3385
04:58:05,811 --> 04:58:08,551
if it's a rooftop antenna on top of an apartment

3386
04:58:08,551 --> 04:58:11,601
building or ... tall tower in the middle of the

3387
04:58:11,601 --> 04:58:14,751
field or something in between ... it could be an

3388
04:58:14,751 --> 04:58:18,071
antenna site that's located inside the ceiling panels inside a

3389
04:58:18,071 --> 04:58:22,361
hospital safety code six prevails on all those installations and

3390
04:58:22,361 --> 04:58:24,191
it is never allowed to be more than one hundred

3391
04:58:24,191 --> 04:58:27,091
percent of its allowable limit

3392
04:58:27,091 --> 04:58:31,381
at the highest location around this proposed a site which

3393
04:58:31,381 --> 04:58:34,881
is two meters above the roof of that building that

3394
04:58:34,881 --> 04:58:38,231
I mentioned are the level will be zero point four

3395
04:58:38,231 --> 04:58:43,651
three eight percent of the allowable limit and incredibly small

3396
04:58:43,821 --> 04:58:47,411
amount by comparison if you have a home wifi router

3397
04:58:47,541 --> 04:58:50,271
I'm sitting next to mine right now ... if you

3398
04:58:50,271 --> 04:58:53,081
have a home wifi router and you stand about six

3399
04:58:53,081 --> 04:58:56,261
feet away from it you're about one point two percent

3400
04:58:56,461 --> 04:59:00,721
of safety code six so about three times as much

3401
04:59:00,721 --> 04:59:05,461
exposure as you'll get from the cell tower

3402
04:59:05,461 --> 04:59:08,781
people are also worried about you know five G. and

3403
04:59:08,781 --> 04:59:12,191
this is just a very short primer on ... all

3404
04:59:12,191 --> 04:59:17,121
the electromagnetic spectrum ... is broken into two different types

3405
04:59:17,151 --> 04:59:20,121
ionizing and non ionizing

3406
04:59:20,121 --> 04:59:23,641
I analyzing is the scary stuff that's the X. rays

3407
04:59:24,061 --> 04:59:30,441
that ... gamma rays that's radioactive sources ... this isn't

3408
04:59:30,441 --> 04:59:35,121
that we are down in television antenna range and these

3409
04:59:35,121 --> 04:59:39,691
are basically the old ... CBC television frequencies that been

3410
04:59:39,691 --> 04:59:45,531
repurposed for ... ... cellular phones ... we've been we've

3411
04:59:45,531 --> 04:59:49,751
been using this technology for effectively for a hundred years

3412
04:59:50,111 --> 04:59:54,001
... and it it is it safe to provided that

3413
04:59:54,001 --> 04:59:56,411
we are with the and safety code six and we

3414
04:59:56,411 --> 04:59:59,621
are well within safety code six

3415
04:59:59,621 --> 05:00:02,391
and this is been confirmed by Ann Arbor are you

3416
05:00:02,391 --> 05:00:05,701
are most certainly you have about thirty seconds and if

3417
05:00:05,701 --> 05:00:08,321
you Stephens set I can wrap it up and is

3418
05:00:08,321 --> 05:00:11,821
now joining local branch thanks I

3419
05:00:11,821 --> 05:00:14,531
I'd be happy to thank you ... so this is

3420
05:00:14,531 --> 05:00:18,331
been confirmed by basically every public health agency in Ontario

3421
05:00:18,331 --> 05:00:22,821
and around the world that dad going just picking one

3422
05:00:22,941 --> 05:00:26,451
... I teria public health says there's no conclusive evidence

3423
05:00:26,451 --> 05:00:29,341
of adverse effects on health at exposure levels both below

3424
05:00:29,341 --> 05:00:33,771
safety code six if there were ... frankly Carrington has

3425
05:00:33,801 --> 05:00:37,791
bigger issues because for example this is ... an antenna

3426
05:00:37,791 --> 05:00:41,281
site ... at the Clarington fire station on trolls road

3427
05:00:41,281 --> 05:00:44,721
directly across the street from you know a large residential

3428
05:00:44,721 --> 05:00:49,811
area ... there's another antenna site on Taunton road at

3429
05:00:49,811 --> 05:00:54,211
town line there's ... these two large towers on Anfield

3430
05:00:54,211 --> 05:00:58,211
road ... in ... in a farmer's field ... essentially

3431
05:00:58,551 --> 05:01:00,661
I would ask that

3432
05:01:00,661 --> 05:01:06,411
... council ... support its own protocol and ... allow

3433
05:01:06,411 --> 05:01:10,211
the director of planning to issue a directive ... in

3434
05:01:10,211 --> 05:01:14,491
support of the proposed installation if you have any questions

3435
05:01:14,741 --> 05:01:16,841
I would be happy to answer

3436
05:01:16,841 --> 05:01:20,061
thank you Sir on the cars down from that

3437
05:01:20,061 --> 05:01:23,061
konser Hooper

3438
05:01:23,061 --> 05:01:25,831
thank you Mr chairman thank you Sir for coming for

3439
05:01:25,831 --> 05:01:29,111
tonight in regards to the tower the

3440
05:01:29,111 --> 05:01:32,431
could potentially could be placed on this particular piece of

3441
05:01:32,431 --> 05:01:35,671
property is it just ... the master I don't know

3442
05:01:35,671 --> 05:01:37,491
what you call it like the poll goes on and

3443
05:01:37,491 --> 05:01:41,271
then there's a ... a mass that receives the signal

3444
05:01:41,521 --> 05:01:43,751
is it just going to be one mass that will

3445
05:01:43,751 --> 05:01:46,361
be on there or will there be with wrestling space

3446
05:01:46,361 --> 05:01:48,971
of the weather sorry

3447
05:01:48,971 --> 05:01:52,161
sorry thank you so it is ... it is only

3448
05:01:52,161 --> 05:01:55,631
the one the one tower the one mast and we're

3449
05:01:55,631 --> 05:02:00,941
required by ... what used to be called industry Canada

3450
05:02:01,171 --> 05:02:05,901
to make that space available to other licensed carriers ...

3451
05:02:06,191 --> 05:02:08,691
in an effort to minimize the number of towers in

3452
05:02:08,691 --> 05:02:12,491
an area overall so it's while be owned by freedom

3453
05:02:12,491 --> 05:02:15,061
and freedom would have its antennas on the site or

3454
05:02:15,061 --> 05:02:17,791
on the on the tower our Rogers or bell would

3455
05:02:17,791 --> 05:02:21,951
be available to ... co locate their ins and ten

3456
05:02:21,951 --> 05:02:26,391
as ... on the facility as well the the installation

3457
05:02:26,391 --> 05:02:29,601
would be though the single tower plus ... and equipment

3458
05:02:29,601 --> 05:02:32,181
shed at the base basically

3459
05:02:32,181 --> 05:02:34,721
and then you will you will be selling space on

3460
05:02:34,721 --> 05:02:36,401
their two other

3461
05:02:36,401 --> 05:02:39,081
holder data carriers to correct

3462
05:02:39,081 --> 05:02:42,581
I yes something and it's not it's not always sold

3463
05:02:42,621 --> 05:02:46,861
it's you know not always leased space sometimes ... you

3464
05:02:46,861 --> 05:02:49,671
know like Rogers has a tower over over there and

3465
05:02:49,671 --> 05:02:52,741
freedom need space on it freedom as tower over here

3466
05:02:52,741 --> 05:02:54,821
in Rogers needs based on it and they just sort

3467
05:02:54,821 --> 05:03:00,181
of swap sites there's entire teams are within the carrier's

3468
05:03:00,231 --> 05:03:03,101
... all they do is what's called these colocation agreements

3469
05:03:03,461 --> 05:03:08,001
and sometimes money changes hands and sometimes it doesn't

3470
05:03:08,001 --> 05:03:09,951
so in that that that's going way other question you

3471
05:03:09,951 --> 05:03:13,171
said there was other ... ... mass in the area

3472
05:03:13,431 --> 05:03:16,481
... pools in the area so have you made ...

3473
05:03:16,831 --> 05:03:19,031
is there is there is there any opportunities to post

3474
05:03:19,171 --> 05:03:22,111
a mass on any of those other ones so you

3475
05:03:22,111 --> 05:03:25,321
don't have to put a note

3476
05:03:25,321 --> 05:03:26,891
as I understand the question if you if you want

3477
05:03:26,891 --> 05:03:28,501
I can bring up that slide again and I can

3478
05:03:28,501 --> 05:03:30,401
show you where they are

3479
05:03:30,401 --> 05:03:33,841
... but did the short answer is ... we have

3480
05:03:33,841 --> 05:03:37,741
looked at colocation we we have we are required to

3481
05:03:37,741 --> 05:03:40,961
look at colocation prior to proposing a new antenna site

3482
05:03:41,411 --> 05:03:44,701
... and all of the existing sites that would be

3483
05:03:44,701 --> 05:03:49,761
alternatives are either they either have freedom antennas on them

3484
05:03:49,761 --> 05:03:53,981
already or they are too close to an existing site

3485
05:03:54,281 --> 05:03:57,281
that has freedom antennas on it already and so does

3486
05:03:57,281 --> 05:03:59,341
the the antenna sites can't be too close to each

3487
05:03:59,341 --> 05:04:00,681
other

3488
05:04:00,681 --> 05:04:04,651
okay and then went one further question again Mister chair

3489
05:04:04,651 --> 05:04:09,121
... in regards to I know that there's been opportunities

3490
05:04:09,121 --> 05:04:13,101
for disguising them for lack of a better word right

3491
05:04:13,211 --> 05:04:14,881
some people have been able to do it in the

3492
05:04:14,881 --> 05:04:18,881
form of you know treating mine trees or whatever except

3493
05:04:18,881 --> 05:04:21,711
the look that

3494
05:04:21,711 --> 05:04:23,831
... so I I think that that comes up quite

3495
05:04:23,831 --> 05:04:28,471
often ... and the the limitation is the height of

3496
05:04:28,471 --> 05:04:31,571
the tower has with when you put those branches on

3497
05:04:31,571 --> 05:04:34,091
it effectively what you're doing is putting up a giant

3498
05:04:34,091 --> 05:04:37,371
sale because the the because of the wind load and

3499
05:04:37,371 --> 05:04:39,361
the snow load on those branches and then I'm like

3500
05:04:39,361 --> 05:04:43,551
a tree which can sway ... in the breeze ...

3501
05:04:43,581 --> 05:04:47,091
towers cannot and so a few years ago I had

3502
05:04:47,091 --> 05:04:50,481
a request from the city of Vaughan to look at

3503
05:04:50,481 --> 05:04:53,081
doing a what we call a mono pine instead of

3504
05:04:53,081 --> 05:04:54,941
a monopole

3505
05:04:54,941 --> 05:04:58,791
and that one was only forty meters tall and I

3506
05:04:58,791 --> 05:05:00,541
don't know of any that have been done higher than

3507
05:05:00,541 --> 05:05:02,571
twenty meters so I didn't know the answer to the

3508
05:05:02,571 --> 05:05:05,651
question so we went to the tower fabrication company announced

3509
05:05:06,041 --> 05:05:10,271
in order for this to be structurally sound ... how

3510
05:05:10,761 --> 05:05:13,091
like how big with this thing needs to be and

3511
05:05:13,091 --> 05:05:16,031
the answer was over five and a half feet in

3512
05:05:16,031 --> 05:05:19,631
diameter all the way up

3513
05:05:19,631 --> 05:05:21,821
and that's a massive strike it was big enough to

3514
05:05:21,821 --> 05:05:25,681
have an internal staircase and it so that I think

3515
05:05:25,681 --> 05:05:28,411
that the cure would be worse than the disease if

3516
05:05:28,411 --> 05:05:30,881
you well ... because

3517
05:05:30,881 --> 05:05:35,451
it would just be an awful structure frankly ... it

3518
05:05:35,451 --> 05:05:38,141
would be much worse it would draw attention to itself

3519
05:05:38,141 --> 05:05:40,861
much more and when you look at it it would

3520
05:05:40,861 --> 05:05:44,021
be so much worse to look at the the poll

3521
05:05:44,021 --> 05:05:48,071
itself would just it would just be enormous ... and

3522
05:05:48,071 --> 05:05:50,141
so there are simply are none that are that big

3523
05:05:50,461 --> 05:05:53,591
four four read good reason I think it's it is

3524
05:05:53,591 --> 05:05:56,081
different if it was in the middle of a forest

3525
05:05:56,081 --> 05:05:57,871
where you have the trees around it to sort of

3526
05:05:57,871 --> 05:06:01,641
blocked the trump that's not the case here

3527
05:06:01,641 --> 05:06:05,051
okay thank you thank you Mr chairman or or thank

3528
05:06:05,051 --> 05:06:10,741
you thank you construct underground

3529
05:06:10,741 --> 05:06:12,981
thank you very much and threw the chair ... I

3530
05:06:12,981 --> 05:06:17,651
guess my questions Mr overseas are more concerning the the

3531
05:06:17,651 --> 05:06:22,831
public information session that was held ... and just wonder

3532
05:06:22,831 --> 05:06:26,061
like what what was your feeling from that meeting on

3533
05:06:26,191 --> 05:06:30,211
from the residence perspective that did you feel that enough

3534
05:06:30,211 --> 05:06:34,041
information diet diets ... you know were you able to

3535
05:06:34,041 --> 05:06:38,761
answer their questions satisfactory he well basically what was your

3536
05:06:38,761 --> 05:06:41,241
take on that I've come to the meeting

3537
05:06:41,241 --> 05:06:43,731
so my take on the meeting was it was pretty

3538
05:06:43,731 --> 05:06:45,981
much like

3539
05:06:45,981 --> 05:06:50,371
the majority of meetings that I go to where people

3540
05:06:50,371 --> 05:06:53,681
don't want it ... not every meeting is like that

3541
05:06:53,681 --> 05:06:56,591
and not even certainly not even every meeting in Clarington

3542
05:06:56,591 --> 05:06:59,071
that I've done and I've done

3543
05:06:59,071 --> 05:07:02,961
probably six six hours before enquiring ten something like that

3544
05:07:03,241 --> 05:07:06,941
... and most of the time right the new nobody

3545
05:07:06,941 --> 05:07:10,081
really cares about these things and nobody shows up ...

3546
05:07:10,431 --> 05:07:16,231
this was kind of about average for a tower where

3547
05:07:16,231 --> 05:07:19,271
there's opposition you know five or six people show up

3548
05:07:19,731 --> 05:07:22,951
... I believe that I answered all their questions I

3549
05:07:22,951 --> 05:07:26,111
don't think that I think it's fair to say that

3550
05:07:26,111 --> 05:07:29,011
who were opposed to the tower didn't like the answers

3551
05:07:29,011 --> 05:07:32,121
that I gave them ... because it the answers that

3552
05:07:32,121 --> 05:07:33,991
I gave them wasn't

3553
05:07:33,991 --> 05:07:36,071
you know we are not going to pursue this antenna

3554
05:07:36,071 --> 05:07:39,871
site ... we are pursuing this antenna site because as

3555
05:07:39,871 --> 05:07:42,511
we think it's a good site and there isn't an

3556
05:07:42,511 --> 05:07:46,691
alternative that we've been able to find ... but I

3557
05:07:46,691 --> 05:07:49,831
believe that I gave them yeah all I answered all

3558
05:07:49,831 --> 05:07:54,211
their questions and which were primarily health oriented I think

3559
05:07:54,211 --> 05:07:56,061
it's fair to say

3560
05:07:56,061 --> 05:07:58,321


3561
05:07:58,321 --> 05:08:01,521
right if I can't help if they if they don't

3562
05:08:01,521 --> 05:08:05,431
agree with the information that I provided to them so

3563
05:08:05,431 --> 05:08:08,681
I agree on that ... I I didn't wanna make

3564
05:08:09,091 --> 05:08:12,981
corrections this year your minutes ... just do it the

3565
05:08:12,981 --> 05:08:16,471
attendees at councillor Neil was present at that as well

3566
05:08:16,951 --> 05:08:20,181
... and his name is not all thank you at

3567
05:08:20,181 --> 05:08:24,971
all about ... Mr single only ... was also at

3568
05:08:24,971 --> 05:08:27,361
the meeting and his name doesn't seem to be there

3569
05:08:27,361 --> 05:08:30,971
either so I was a little concerned that maybe

3570
05:08:30,971 --> 05:08:33,251
there was some people missing from here your list of

3571
05:08:33,251 --> 05:08:37,211
attendees so that was one thing ...

3572
05:08:37,211 --> 05:08:39,941
if that's the case I apologize it was ... it

3573
05:08:39,941 --> 05:08:44,501
was based on the video ... it's basically almost a

3574
05:08:44,501 --> 05:08:49,141
video transcription and so if someone didn't show up as

3575
05:08:49,141 --> 05:08:52,341
... name being provided or something that a fact that

3576
05:08:52,341 --> 05:08:56,011
was captured on the screen then ... it might not

3577
05:08:56,011 --> 05:08:58,061
have been recorded I apologize if I missed a couple

3578
05:08:58,061 --> 05:09:00,951
people okay and I just want to make it clear

3579
05:09:00,951 --> 05:09:03,021
to you that I as a local cancer this is

3580
05:09:03,021 --> 05:09:05,791
the first cell tower actually that ... since I was

3581
05:09:05,791 --> 05:09:09,331
elected in in two thousand eighteen that ... I was

3582
05:09:09,331 --> 05:09:12,231
there ever been an issue so ... it was a

3583
05:09:12,231 --> 05:09:15,761
learning opportunity for myself as well ... and I just

3584
05:09:15,761 --> 05:09:18,251
wanted like I did actually receive quite a few calls

3585
05:09:18,251 --> 05:09:21,171
are recorded I encourage everyone to go to that meeting

3586
05:09:21,481 --> 05:09:23,041
... because I feel that that's where you can get

3587
05:09:23,041 --> 05:09:25,981
the answers aren't the best absolutely and I have their

3588
05:09:25,981 --> 05:09:29,361
voice heard ... I did get quite a few people

3589
05:09:29,361 --> 05:09:32,261
who did tell me that they weren't going to be

3590
05:09:32,261 --> 05:09:35,261
able to attend for one reason or another and they

3591
05:09:35,261 --> 05:09:40,931
wanted my my presence to ... to represent them which

3592
05:09:40,931 --> 05:09:43,051
I always think it's more important for the resin themselves

3593
05:09:43,051 --> 05:09:46,291
to speak up but ... there was signet like there

3594
05:09:46,291 --> 05:09:48,821
were there was definitely a number of different calls of

3595
05:09:48,821 --> 05:09:51,331
people were able to attend that meeting that were against

3596
05:09:51,331 --> 05:09:53,811
it one question as well ... I don't know if

3597
05:09:53,811 --> 05:09:56,681
we ever really got an answer about ... if there

3598
05:09:56,681 --> 05:10:01,311
is any updated information on ... one of the local

3599
05:10:01,411 --> 05:10:05,841
... businesses has ... has honey bees and they were

3600
05:10:05,841 --> 05:10:10,591
quite concerned that this tower what effect on the bees

3601
05:10:10,591 --> 05:10:13,271
at that I honestly didn't know much about dis wondered

3602
05:10:13,271 --> 05:10:17,001
if he found any further information on if they were

3603
05:10:17,001 --> 05:10:20,991
on selling honey bees or if they were trying to

3604
05:10:21,021 --> 05:10:26,271
just house them there how that might affect that business

3605
05:10:26,271 --> 05:10:30,801
I I don't know anything about their B. business

3606
05:10:30,801 --> 05:10:36,681
... but there's there's simply there's no there's no ...

3607
05:10:37,031 --> 05:10:43,841
published science ... that speaks of any harm to bees

3608
05:10:43,841 --> 05:10:46,211
lay the line up in a March more US to

3609
05:10:46,211 --> 05:10:50,541
safely than that ...

3610
05:10:50,541 --> 05:10:52,631
yeah the fear I don't believe is warranted by the

3611
05:10:52,631 --> 05:10:56,171
sites okay thanks ... I just want to know that

3612
05:10:56,171 --> 05:10:58,771
there was a ... a fair number of people in

3613
05:10:58,771 --> 05:11:03,271
the crease area that are against this ... location ...

3614
05:11:03,311 --> 05:11:07,631
and I have stated that angry deal look for another

3615
05:11:07,691 --> 05:11:10,581
... alternative site which you said that there is there

3616
05:11:10,581 --> 05:11:14,811
is no other alternative site and ... my residents really

3617
05:11:14,811 --> 05:11:16,941
just wanted their voices to be heard on that so

3618
05:11:16,941 --> 05:11:18,621
I think you for taking the time to come and

3619
05:11:18,621 --> 05:11:22,881
speak to us tonight ... you're very welcome I guess

3620
05:11:22,881 --> 05:11:25,081
the last thing I would like to thank our policy

3621
05:11:25,081 --> 05:11:28,361
really we're not making the final the director of planning

3622
05:11:28,361 --> 05:11:31,901
is really just just saying that the site plan is

3623
05:11:31,901 --> 05:11:35,791
appropriate I believe from the municipality's part right that it

3624
05:11:35,791 --> 05:11:39,081
is a federal decision on the final decision if the

3625
05:11:39,081 --> 05:11:43,421
tower is going to be there or not correct

3626
05:11:43,421 --> 05:11:46,661
more or less yes I would say ... and also

3627
05:11:46,901 --> 05:11:49,491
in the letter of concurrence would also confirm that we

3628
05:11:49,491 --> 05:11:55,271
have ... ... undertaken the application process in accordance with

3629
05:11:55,271 --> 05:12:00,031
the local protocol

3630
05:12:00,031 --> 05:12:01,841
which is likely to be out

3631
05:12:01,841 --> 05:12:04,361
thank you very much for coming forward tonight

3632
05:12:04,361 --> 05:12:08,041
you're very welcome thank you counsel

3633
05:12:08,041 --> 05:12:12,651
are there any other further questions from members of pounds

3634
05:12:12,651 --> 05:12:16,621
I don't see any council near bread please yes not

3635
05:12:16,621 --> 05:12:18,411
on this one Mister chairman I'm gonna give you most

3636
05:12:18,411 --> 05:12:21,451
also the agenda to do was seventeen point one now

3637
05:12:22,101 --> 05:12:26,041
good re have a ten minute break problems constantly

3638
05:12:26,041 --> 05:12:29,871
okay I believe the clerk and

3639
05:12:29,871 --> 05:12:33,021
Bob wants to go need a break so do I

3640
05:12:33,021 --> 05:12:35,671
have to be on

3641
05:12:35,671 --> 05:12:39,141
you want to bring that up pardon me only the

3642
05:12:39,141 --> 05:12:41,401
break and then I ... I'll be like I said

3643
05:12:41,401 --> 05:12:44,031
I'll be moving a motion alter the gender okay all

3644
05:12:44,031 --> 05:12:47,741
right thank you Irma's second before you move the bridge

3645
05:12:48,191 --> 05:12:50,521
next Mr guard right thank you very much for the

3646
05:12:50,521 --> 05:12:54,081
pardon taking it rides very thoroughly thank you

3647
05:12:54,081 --> 05:12:56,191
thank you so

3648
05:12:56,191 --> 05:12:59,281
thank you thank you for our motion and the break

3649
05:12:59,281 --> 05:13:02,251
move back on so I mean a second divided problems

3650
05:13:02,251 --> 05:13:04,841
stroke who are

3651
05:13:04,841 --> 05:13:07,691
for ten minutes it's not what time is it Mr

3652
05:13:07,691 --> 05:13:11,081
growth fund for

3653
05:13:11,081 --> 05:13:14,561
nine forty nine yes Sir we are not at nine

3654
05:13:14,951 --> 05:13:18,521
twenty five mmhm

3655
05:13:18,521 --> 05:13:24,251
the result on all in favor yes yes has

3656
05:13:24,251 --> 05:13:26,691
in your post

3657
05:13:26,691 --> 05:13:37,451
the IBM ma'am

3658
05:25:13,341 --> 05:25:18,151
I'll just got held up farming okay go ahead please

3659
05:25:18,151 --> 05:25:21,171
Sir so thank you very much so I did speak

3660
05:25:21,171 --> 05:25:24,361
with you back in February ... and I gave the

3661
05:25:24,361 --> 05:25:28,771
delegation as to why I ... support we move along

3662
05:25:28,891 --> 05:25:30,331
they are

3663
05:25:30,331 --> 05:25:33,391
special study area to and

3664
05:25:33,391 --> 05:25:35,711
my opinion today is the same as it was back

3665
05:25:35,711 --> 05:25:38,601
then that China ...

3666
05:25:38,601 --> 05:25:43,221
we we have a progressive farming business here

3667
05:25:43,221 --> 05:25:44,901


3668
05:25:44,901 --> 05:25:49,061
... production agriculture and we we we own and farmer

3669
05:25:49,111 --> 05:25:53,381
... ... a large acreage of land ...

3670
05:25:53,381 --> 05:25:56,171
within special study area too and all the land that

3671
05:25:56,201 --> 05:26:01,701
we own with competitively purchased while the land was not

3672
05:26:01,731 --> 05:26:05,841
a greenbelt designation and we believe that the prices that

3673
05:26:05,841 --> 05:26:10,081
we pay heed to purchase the land ... were based

3674
05:26:10,081 --> 05:26:12,981
on the fact that it was

3675
05:26:12,981 --> 05:26:15,161
revolted land so

3676
05:26:15,161 --> 05:26:18,221
it certainly would be a

3677
05:26:18,221 --> 05:26:23,731
it would certainly impact us to see our land

3678
05:26:23,731 --> 05:26:26,491
now green belted but what if that if if special

3679
05:26:26,491 --> 05:26:30,261
study area she was not removed

3680
05:26:30,261 --> 05:26:33,521
so my my point that I would like to make

3681
05:26:33,521 --> 05:26:37,281
tonight is just simply that ...

3682
05:26:37,281 --> 05:26:39,481
we would we would like to see special study area

3683
05:26:39,481 --> 05:26:42,491
to remove we do not want your land green belted

3684
05:26:42,491 --> 05:26:45,471
we we we feel that it would impact the value

3685
05:26:45,471 --> 05:26:47,821
of our lands would impact our balance sheet when you

3686
05:26:47,821 --> 05:26:51,641
packed our business our ability to borrow money against the

3687
05:26:51,641 --> 05:26:54,001
equity we have in the land

3688
05:26:54,001 --> 05:26:55,911
and

3689
05:26:55,911 --> 05:26:59,731
you know it's our it's our

3690
05:26:59,731 --> 05:27:02,871
a long term family business we park here ... and

3691
05:27:02,871 --> 05:27:06,921
die we'll be here for a while so I don't

3692
05:27:06,921 --> 05:27:09,201
have much more to say on that tonight other than

3693
05:27:09,201 --> 05:27:12,211
not in that I would like to see ... the

3694
05:27:12,211 --> 05:27:17,551
motion supported to that special study area to his remote

3695
05:27:17,551 --> 05:27:20,511
thank you Brammertz listed from the other any questions from

3696
05:27:20,511 --> 05:27:25,831
members of council from this this time

3697
05:27:25,831 --> 05:27:29,101
archons open right the

3698
05:27:29,101 --> 05:27:30,511
S. thank

3699
05:27:30,511 --> 05:27:33,101
skews me structure thank you thank you Mister so we've

3700
05:27:33,101 --> 05:27:35,291
become report that

3701
05:27:35,291 --> 05:27:38,231
I had a bit of interference when you said something

3702
05:27:38,231 --> 05:27:41,191
about ... so when you click purchase your property was

3703
05:27:41,191 --> 05:27:45,271
it purchased it as well re or green belt White

3704
05:27:45,271 --> 05:27:47,181
House sure

3705
05:27:47,181 --> 05:27:49,651
we don't yes

3706
05:27:49,651 --> 05:27:53,721
okay thank thank you very much for your very well

3707
05:27:53,721 --> 05:27:57,141
frankly will cross through are there any other members of

3708
05:27:57,141 --> 05:28:00,211
problems that have questions remains that's five if there be

3709
05:28:00,211 --> 05:28:04,451
none thank you very much Sir for your presentation you're

3710
05:28:04,451 --> 05:28:06,471
welcome

3711
05:28:06,471 --> 05:28:09,221
concerning your you'll have a motion for a yeah I'll

3712
05:28:09,221 --> 05:28:11,741
give you a motion to alter the agenda that I'm

3713
05:28:11,741 --> 05:28:16,631
gonna motions fallout Cheryl clearing your

3714
05:28:16,631 --> 05:28:19,481
for what goes on here

3715
05:28:19,481 --> 05:28:23,091
our motion to bring seventeen point one forward messages are

3716
05:28:23,091 --> 05:28:28,181
open on your Instagram then bad drugs that drones

3717
05:28:28,181 --> 05:28:33,421
yes I am our current grandstands are comments

3718
05:28:33,421 --> 05:28:36,181
they're being non are in favor

3719
05:28:36,181 --> 05:28:39,191
S. yes yes yes

3720
05:28:39,191 --> 05:28:41,961
earlier in the year polls

3721
05:28:41,961 --> 05:28:48,601
they're being non guidelines entail so unemotional teacher to run

3722
05:28:48,601 --> 05:28:50,171


3723
05:28:50,171 --> 05:28:53,111
that report P. eight TDS ... twenty nine twenty one

3724
05:28:53,111 --> 05:28:56,321
be received at the official plan amendment

3725
05:28:56,321 --> 05:29:00,061
the test report GDS dash hold twenty nine twenty one

3726
05:29:00,191 --> 05:29:02,881
I believe his attachment one

3727
05:29:02,881 --> 05:29:05,221
the approved at least in my Janet was a

3728
05:29:05,221 --> 05:29:06,911
one

3729
05:29:06,911 --> 05:29:10,361
and ... then three four and five as written that

3730
05:29:10,361 --> 05:29:12,801
the submissions made to

3731
05:29:12,801 --> 05:29:15,261
he directed to the O. P. review process in the

3732
05:29:15,261 --> 05:29:20,071
region of Germany advised council's decision all interested parties

3733
05:29:20,071 --> 05:29:22,911
listed in the report yes ... twenty nine twenty one

3734
05:29:22,911 --> 05:29:26,941
in any delegations be advised of council's decision

3735
05:29:26,941 --> 05:29:31,861
consummated in Europe was slowly so that they can argue

3736
05:29:31,861 --> 05:29:36,151
and Ricardo check with your green

3737
05:29:36,151 --> 05:29:39,631
that report PDS dash oh twenty nine dash twenty one

3738
05:29:39,631 --> 05:29:44,371
B. received

3739
05:29:44,371 --> 05:29:48,711
that the official plan amendment attached to report

3740
05:29:48,711 --> 05:29:53,421
DDS 29 - 21 as attachment 1

3741
05:29:53,421 --> 05:29:58,951
he approves

3742
05:29:58,951 --> 05:30:01,371
and then three four and five as written in the

3743
05:30:01,371 --> 05:30:07,051
... the John

3744
05:30:07,051 --> 05:30:12,671
yes attachment one not a task 3

3745
05:30:12,671 --> 05:30:16,171
your guard and all American

3746
05:30:16,171 --> 05:30:19,471
okay will be on the screen that fact respond in

3747
05:30:19,471 --> 05:30:23,961
the meantime my ski concert drones

3748
05:30:23,961 --> 05:30:27,451
if you have a commentary on those guys found

3749
05:30:27,451 --> 05:30:29,301
are the second

3750
05:30:29,301 --> 05:30:35,081
I'm seconding that

3751
05:30:35,081 --> 05:30:37,251
Irma

3752
05:30:37,251 --> 05:30:40,961
continue on this speaker at dinner yeah I just there

3753
05:30:40,991 --> 05:30:44,251
are things going briefly

3754
05:30:44,251 --> 05:30:47,491
I believe Mister chair that

3755
05:30:47,491 --> 05:30:48,871
the

3756
05:30:48,871 --> 05:30:51,951
regional official plan

3757
05:30:51,951 --> 05:30:54,031
and will

3758
05:30:54,031 --> 05:30:55,091
the

3759
05:30:55,091 --> 05:30:57,791
yes the issue of

3760
05:30:57,791 --> 05:31:01,191
our land and what class one

3761
05:31:01,191 --> 05:31:05,221
... prime agricultural land in within that official plan I

3762
05:31:05,221 --> 05:31:09,991
don't think it's necessary to belabor greenbelt inclusion any further

3763
05:31:09,991 --> 05:31:11,421
so I

3764
05:31:11,421 --> 05:31:14,631
I've been a guest attacking for sometime to have this

3765
05:31:14,781 --> 05:31:20,131
removed so that we don't school study it further and

3766
05:31:20,131 --> 05:31:23,291
... it doesn't rear its head again again ... I

3767
05:31:23,291 --> 05:31:26,611
don't think that it it means that any farm lands

3768
05:31:26,611 --> 05:31:29,851
... gonna get paid over this not in the urban

3769
05:31:29,851 --> 05:31:35,281
boundary ... urban boundary expansions are not ... that street

3770
05:31:35,601 --> 05:31:38,831
not that easy to you know

3771
05:31:38,831 --> 05:31:40,781
to come about

3772
05:31:40,781 --> 05:31:45,061
there will ... but there's there's big decisions coming for

3773
05:31:45,061 --> 05:31:48,471
clients and for the long term

3774
05:31:48,471 --> 05:31:51,171
I eve where are where our employment lands going to

3775
05:31:51,171 --> 05:31:54,501
be so I'm raising those questions after region and and

3776
05:31:54,501 --> 05:31:56,001
locating

3777
05:31:56,001 --> 05:31:57,781
and I think you know we hear a lot of

3778
05:31:57,781 --> 05:32:00,031
folk housing but

3779
05:32:00,031 --> 05:32:03,721
sametime we need employment lands were converting employment lands ...

3780
05:32:04,031 --> 05:32:06,921
fact some of that a lot of that is supported

3781
05:32:06,921 --> 05:32:09,891
by Clinton but you know we need we need employment

3782
05:32:09,891 --> 05:32:14,381
lands and we need to plan for the next thirty

3783
05:32:14,381 --> 05:32:17,741
to fifty or something I will us recorded vote on

3784
05:32:17,741 --> 05:32:21,251
the motion thank you

3785
05:32:21,251 --> 05:32:24,491
thank you counsel nature of the motion is on the

3786
05:32:24,491 --> 05:32:26,951
screen is that

3787
05:32:26,951 --> 05:32:28,351
yes

3788
05:32:28,351 --> 05:32:29,741
yes

3789
05:32:29,741 --> 05:32:32,661
okay thank you are there because they are hard was

3790
05:32:32,661 --> 05:32:37,311
that

3791
05:32:37,311 --> 05:32:39,781
... thank you Mister chair no it well sure you

3792
05:32:39,781 --> 05:32:43,141
know what I'll I'll speak to it ... yes so

3793
05:32:43,201 --> 05:32:48,311
so firstly attachment one verses attachment three I'm going to

3794
05:32:48,351 --> 05:32:51,171
speak to staff and I'm dealing with with two different

3795
05:32:51,171 --> 05:32:54,731
versions of the agenda of those of us like it

3796
05:32:54,731 --> 05:32:58,531
too early ... use the first one versus the next

3797
05:32:58,531 --> 05:33:03,101
one so attachment ... attachment one is correct

3798
05:33:03,101 --> 05:33:06,451
... I'm gonna go to Mr Wynn's Ole miss Lang

3799
05:33:06,451 --> 05:33:08,941
made

3800
05:33:08,941 --> 05:33:11,741
thank you Ameritas or through the chair to you mayor

3801
05:33:11,741 --> 05:33:16,331
foster my official copy of the report has the actual

3802
05:33:16,331 --> 05:33:21,481
amendment as attachment three

3803
05:33:21,481 --> 05:33:25,781
that's correct the card into the trunk mat correct

3804
05:33:25,781 --> 05:33:28,941
our

3805
05:33:28,941 --> 05:33:34,241
okay so cal star Neil you've got attached one

3806
05:33:34,241 --> 05:33:36,791
your forehead with some can someone put up on the

3807
05:33:36,791 --> 05:33:39,361
screen then because I don't know why remind would say

3808
05:33:39,361 --> 05:33:45,651
attachment one last year it's on the screen constantly

3809
05:33:45,651 --> 05:33:48,301
no no I'm talking about

3810
05:33:48,301 --> 05:33:49,931
I wasn't

3811
05:33:49,931 --> 05:33:52,441
not not

3812
05:33:52,441 --> 05:33:54,691
there was an update but it might be a different

3813
05:33:54,691 --> 05:33:57,591
version Kelson runs in the in the Clark is going

3814
05:33:57,591 --> 05:34:00,341
to keep trying our fight for you according to the

3815
05:34:00,341 --> 05:34:01,691
twelve

3816
05:34:01,691 --> 05:34:05,391
Mister chairman and three to two committee counsel mail attachment

3817
05:34:05,391 --> 05:34:07,531
one is the

3818
05:34:07,531 --> 05:34:09,671
public comments so it has to one a one B.

3819
05:34:09,671 --> 05:34:14,611
one C. or old Republic comments attachments three which I

3820
05:34:14,611 --> 05:34:18,611
will put up on the screen now is this on

3821
05:34:18,611 --> 05:34:23,421
is this what you're trying to remove

3822
05:34:23,421 --> 05:34:27,121
what my mind says attachment one proposed amendment number blank

3823
05:34:27,121 --> 05:34:29,711
to clinch an official plan

3824
05:34:29,711 --> 05:34:35,041
... Scott purpose location proposed amendments yes Sir if you

3825
05:34:35,081 --> 05:34:36,771
are you looking on screen now because I think you're

3826
05:34:36,771 --> 05:34:39,411
describing the one that's on screen now which is a

3827
05:34:39,411 --> 05:34:46,641
patent three

3828
05:34:46,641 --> 05:34:49,461
okay I just find it kind of odd that

3829
05:34:49,461 --> 05:34:53,001
using the like I I had paid for forty three

3830
05:34:53,001 --> 05:34:56,371
from my agenda which was the test one it wasn't

3831
05:34:56,371 --> 05:35:01,691
public comments so it looks like it's the same

3832
05:35:01,691 --> 05:35:08,031
we just read down here

3833
05:35:08,031 --> 05:35:10,931
that's the same so it you know okay so just

3834
05:35:10,931 --> 05:35:13,751
change find attachment three ... but I I do find

3835
05:35:13,751 --> 05:35:18,371
it confusing why that would change from so you might

3836
05:35:18,371 --> 05:35:20,681
want to look at why mindset is on page four

3837
05:35:20,681 --> 05:35:24,521
forty three and says attached one but yeah we'll we'll

3838
05:35:24,521 --> 05:35:26,321
absolutely look into that just wanna make sure we got

3839
05:35:26,321 --> 05:35:28,481
the correct detachment

3840
05:35:28,481 --> 05:35:32,091
okay I went the route this is yeah so I'm

3841
05:35:32,131 --> 05:35:34,701
happy to have that checked for you to test three

3842
05:35:34,701 --> 05:35:42,501
thank you very much bronchial mistranslated rounded up

3843
05:35:42,501 --> 05:35:46,811
to help councillor Neil ... the attachment he was referring

3844
05:35:46,811 --> 05:35:50,861
to was the attachment to the region's letter to us

3845
05:35:51,341 --> 05:35:54,961
and they had called it attachment one

3846
05:35:54,961 --> 05:35:58,731
and ... they had agreed with what it was but

3847
05:35:58,971 --> 05:36:06,261
for our report was attachment three

3848
05:36:06,261 --> 05:36:12,891
okay thank you for this verification that's your answer

3849
05:36:12,891 --> 05:36:15,501
okay so so thank you Mr cherry just wanted to

3850
05:36:15,911 --> 05:36:21,501
double check on that ... two Mr Windle word we

3851
05:36:21,501 --> 05:36:27,191
are taking grief for ... having the special study area

3852
05:36:27,451 --> 05:36:28,931
there

3853
05:36:28,931 --> 05:36:33,341
... ends at when we remove that I've I've had

3854
05:36:33,341 --> 05:36:35,681
a couple of calls and I think we've all received

3855
05:36:36,251 --> 05:36:40,381
our emails from people that are upset that we are

3856
05:36:40,891 --> 05:36:44,131
removing protection

3857
05:36:44,131 --> 05:36:46,791
when when we dealt with this couple of weeks ago

3858
05:36:46,831 --> 05:36:51,751
I use that highly technical term a no brainer and

3859
05:36:51,841 --> 05:36:55,311
and the the reason that I said that and you

3860
05:36:55,311 --> 05:36:59,501
know just reconfirm tonight ... this is an easy thing

3861
05:36:59,501 --> 05:37:04,251
for us to do because when when you look at

3862
05:37:04,281 --> 05:37:06,801
this yep neither

3863
05:37:06,801 --> 05:37:11,091
gives anything any greater protection

3864
05:37:11,091 --> 05:37:15,171
nor does it put any more restrictions so the special

3865
05:37:15,171 --> 05:37:19,131
study area to designation I'm in the sales more or

3866
05:37:19,131 --> 05:37:24,761
less meaning less is is that fair

3867
05:37:24,761 --> 05:37:28,041
... through the chair to you mehr foster ... I

3868
05:37:28,041 --> 05:37:31,971
just clarify it and characterize ... this from a planning

3869
05:37:31,971 --> 05:37:35,791
standpoint in that the deletion ... if if council so

3870
05:37:35,791 --> 05:37:40,051
chooses a special study area to policies ... if they

3871
05:37:40,051 --> 05:37:42,301
so desire to do that it does not change the

3872
05:37:42,331 --> 05:37:46,881
underlying land use designations are which include rural and and

3873
05:37:46,881 --> 05:37:50,931
private primary control across the lands which are afforded a

3874
05:37:50,931 --> 05:37:55,941
certain amount of protection ... for those uses ... regardless

3875
05:37:55,941 --> 05:37:58,301
of whether the suspects a study or policies are in

3876
05:37:58,301 --> 05:38:00,531
your peer not

3877
05:38:00,531 --> 05:38:02,791
I was trying to make it very simple that people

3878
05:38:02,791 --> 05:38:06,781
shouldn't be concerned at the counter Neil's point out that

3879
05:38:06,841 --> 05:38:09,571
that suddenly farms are gonna be paying that all of

3880
05:38:09,571 --> 05:38:13,821
the challenges in developing a gland or whatever the zoning

3881
05:38:13,821 --> 05:38:18,501
is still exist can we can we agree on that

3882
05:38:18,501 --> 05:38:22,481
yes all right thank

3883
05:38:22,481 --> 05:38:25,131
we we we do have I mean there there will

3884
05:38:25,131 --> 05:38:28,641
be some challenges moving forwards we've heard from our from

3885
05:38:29,111 --> 05:38:32,731
... you know some farmers that have emailed us and

3886
05:38:32,731 --> 05:38:36,261
have suggested that they would like to have their their

3887
05:38:36,261 --> 05:38:39,711
lambs that protected and I want to thank everyone who

3888
05:38:39,711 --> 05:38:42,571
has stepped up this is been very difficult for the

3889
05:38:42,571 --> 05:38:46,201
people explaining why it's important for them not to go

3890
05:38:46,241 --> 05:38:50,531
for that not to go into the green belt which

3891
05:38:50,531 --> 05:38:54,731
he actually was in our apartment separate from the US

3892
05:38:54,731 --> 05:38:58,701
pops the

3893
05:38:58,701 --> 05:39:01,811
we we are struggling I I thank Mr window with

3894
05:39:02,221 --> 05:39:07,271
with a way of perhaps protecting a bag and I'm

3895
05:39:07,271 --> 05:39:10,281
not suggesting or do anything in that direction what we're

3896
05:39:10,281 --> 05:39:12,411
hearing from people that the green belt may not be

3897
05:39:12,411 --> 05:39:15,741
the way of doing that I you know but but

3898
05:39:15,741 --> 05:39:18,461
there should be something

3899
05:39:18,461 --> 05:39:21,201
so what what does the as as we as we

3900
05:39:21,201 --> 05:39:23,221
look at the official plan and I don't want anyone's

3901
05:39:23,221 --> 05:39:26,321
blood pressure to go up ... because I don't think

3902
05:39:26,321 --> 05:39:31,521
anyone's gonna solution or an idea on that ... but

3903
05:39:31,521 --> 05:39:34,781
as we move forward our O. P. needs to link

3904
05:39:34,781 --> 05:39:37,911
him up with the region when they're doing their M.

3905
05:39:37,911 --> 05:39:39,961
C. R. so

3906
05:39:39,961 --> 05:39:45,541
so what does what does this look like living at

3907
05:39:45,541 --> 05:39:49,691
through the church you mehr foster ... if I'm picking

3908
05:39:49,691 --> 05:39:53,151
up what you're putting down ... I think for those

3909
05:39:53,151 --> 05:39:57,551
who are interested in this issue really the next step

3910
05:39:57,591 --> 05:40:02,591
is getting involved in the the region's MCR other national

3911
05:40:02,591 --> 05:40:05,501
conference review that's the region's official plan that they would

3912
05:40:05,501 --> 05:40:08,231
they are working out all manner of of policy and

3913
05:40:08,231 --> 05:40:12,641
and designations ... you know including urban boundary expansions ...

3914
05:40:12,961 --> 05:40:16,771
preservation of natural heritage of primary cultural lands role areas

3915
05:40:17,131 --> 05:40:20,111
urban areas which ever so I think that's that's really

3916
05:40:20,111 --> 05:40:22,691
the the next stop for those who are interested but

3917
05:40:22,691 --> 05:40:26,201
definitely also locally as we go through our O. P.

3918
05:40:26,201 --> 05:40:28,831
review over the next year year and a half that's

3919
05:40:28,831 --> 05:40:32,521
another ... space for the community to get involved council

3920
05:40:32,521 --> 05:40:35,881
to get involved ... all with the ... with the

3921
05:40:35,881 --> 05:40:38,701
ultimate goal in the planning world ... to to to

3922
05:40:38,701 --> 05:40:42,891
balance all these ... land use ... considerations and and

3923
05:40:42,891 --> 05:40:46,231
policy considerations are ultimately to to result in a and

3924
05:40:46,231 --> 05:40:50,241
a balanced community that considers all these priorities and again

3925
05:40:50,241 --> 05:40:54,461
including urban developments ... primary cultural land or rural rural

3926
05:40:54,461 --> 05:40:58,581
areas and and ... and environmental protection for example if

3927
05:40:58,581 --> 05:41:01,561
there is such a talk of interested parties list we

3928
05:41:01,561 --> 05:41:04,271
have that list yes

3929
05:41:04,271 --> 05:41:06,901
yes we have interested parties this related to the special

3930
05:41:06,901 --> 05:41:10,711
study area to ... project yes okay so moving forward

3931
05:41:10,711 --> 05:41:14,071
whether it's the region's M. C. R. or ours as

3932
05:41:14,101 --> 05:41:17,831
as it deals with us that will be difficult to

3933
05:41:18,051 --> 05:41:22,801
... to advise people that are on this list

3934
05:41:22,801 --> 05:41:25,911
through the church you mehr foster

3935
05:41:25,911 --> 05:41:34,531
we typically advise ... interested parties regarding local processes ...

3936
05:41:34,531 --> 05:41:39,081
and and and policy projects I may defer to to

3937
05:41:39,081 --> 05:41:42,881
miss Lang made ... or or Mr Salazar remains back

3938
05:41:42,881 --> 05:41:46,291
as ... regarding with the region ... does I assume

3939
05:41:47,391 --> 05:41:50,341
as they work through their projects they have interested parties

3940
05:41:50,691 --> 05:41:54,221
... party list the date that they ... compile ...

3941
05:41:54,341 --> 05:41:56,861
under struggling with it with the ... the connection of

3942
05:41:56,891 --> 05:42:01,411
a loss on purpose ... notifying this group of an

3943
05:42:01,411 --> 05:42:05,551
action is being taken by the region for example

3944
05:42:05,551 --> 05:42:07,951
so I can defer to Mister cells cells or maybe

3945
05:42:08,551 --> 05:42:12,261
the problem R. as well as our a lever

3946
05:42:12,261 --> 05:42:16,511
right please which thank you and Mister shared yesterday spent

3947
05:42:16,511 --> 05:42:19,111
on Mr window sat I'm sorry

3948
05:42:19,111 --> 05:42:21,941
what did the review will do is that they will

3949
05:42:21,971 --> 05:42:24,721
forty cents right now they have an issue paper called

3950
05:42:24,721 --> 05:42:28,741
proposed policy directions that don't use a log on a

3951
05:42:28,741 --> 05:42:33,161
cultural lands and I'm not sure heritage preservation and they

3952
05:42:33,161 --> 05:42:37,251
are waiting for comments until June the second we expect

3953
05:42:37,251 --> 05:42:40,701
that they will have on a draft official plan amendment

3954
05:42:40,701 --> 05:42:44,841
later this year or early next year and that I

3955
05:42:44,841 --> 05:42:49,401
would be publicized in Polish to everybody in terms of

3956
05:42:49,941 --> 05:42:54,221
public participation and asking for comments however they are not

3957
05:42:54,221 --> 05:42:57,381
going to do with that level of public participation that

3958
05:42:57,381 --> 05:43:00,301
the local municipality just what he does so we will

3959
05:43:00,301 --> 05:43:03,491
need to complement that public participation person but reaching out

3960
05:43:03,491 --> 05:43:05,681
to the public when those documents come out from the

3961
05:43:05,681 --> 05:43:08,601
region also Mister Salazar I think where I'm going with

3962
05:43:08,601 --> 05:43:12,561
that is ... it we've we've got a we've got

3963
05:43:12,561 --> 05:43:15,751
a list of of people that are interested in this

3964
05:43:15,951 --> 05:43:20,321
on both sides of that ... can we make use

3965
05:43:20,321 --> 05:43:24,131
of that list to make sure that people understand what

3966
05:43:24,231 --> 05:43:29,121
and when the region is ... doing

3967
05:43:29,121 --> 05:43:31,961
to you Mister chair at through to the chair of

3968
05:43:31,961 --> 05:43:35,391
major foster yes of course we will easily with could

3969
05:43:35,391 --> 05:43:38,501
easily out those names to what he's on every time

3970
05:43:38,501 --> 05:43:41,561
the reason comes up with initial discussion paper we could

3971
05:43:41,561 --> 05:43:44,581
not defy all those people and interested parties law Cape

3972
05:43:44,661 --> 05:43:48,531
perfect thank you because there has been ... criticism ...

3973
05:43:48,531 --> 05:43:52,201
that we did the the minimal ... ends I know

3974
05:43:52,201 --> 05:43:54,631
that to not be the case I'm not gonna I'm

3975
05:43:54,631 --> 05:43:58,721
not gonna be labor at ... however moving forward because

3976
05:43:58,821 --> 05:44:01,261
that's the only direction we should move them that we

3977
05:44:01,261 --> 05:44:04,861
can certainly do that Mister chair thank you ... to

3978
05:44:04,861 --> 05:44:09,571
... to staff for this thank you and again for

3979
05:44:09,571 --> 05:44:12,311
all of the members of the public many many conversations

3980
05:44:12,311 --> 05:44:15,541
that we've had as well ... thank you thank you

3981
05:44:15,591 --> 05:44:18,551
and before I go back to a concerned neighbor to

3982
05:44:18,551 --> 05:44:21,291
wrap up are there any

3983
05:44:21,291 --> 05:44:23,881
other members of council

3984
05:44:23,881 --> 05:44:26,511
wishing to weigh in on this now

3985
05:44:26,511 --> 05:44:29,141
consonant

3986
05:44:29,141 --> 05:44:31,431
well the only thing I would say Mr sure is

3987
05:44:31,581 --> 05:44:34,431
all right I don't view this

3988
05:44:34,431 --> 05:44:37,781
... so meaningless ... it was put in our official

3989
05:44:37,781 --> 05:44:39,341
plan

3990
05:44:39,341 --> 05:44:43,301
and there was in fact a motion passed which has

3991
05:44:43,301 --> 05:44:45,171
sought to

3992
05:44:45,171 --> 05:44:48,481
the seat on that letter did go to the minister

3993
05:44:48,541 --> 05:44:52,501
... but the that particular area

3994
05:44:52,501 --> 05:44:55,201
which was between the fourteen and raw and a maple

3995
05:44:55,201 --> 05:44:59,001
Grove again it was pulled back but ... you know

3996
05:44:59,001 --> 05:45:03,411
I wouldn't characterize this says ... is having no importer

3997
05:45:03,821 --> 05:45:05,961
I think it does I think there's just other ways

3998
05:45:05,961 --> 05:45:09,881
of dealing with those types of issues I II conserving

3999
05:45:09,881 --> 05:45:13,581
farmland and so on and ... that that's not the

4000
05:45:13,581 --> 05:45:18,801
one we should be seeking to ... use ... down

4001
05:45:18,801 --> 05:45:22,241
the road that's also thank you

4002
05:45:22,241 --> 05:45:27,781
I did ask for corporate

4003
05:45:27,781 --> 05:45:29,841
hi there any

4004
05:45:29,841 --> 05:45:33,451
further questions they're being nine or you're wrapped up in

4005
05:45:33,961 --> 05:45:39,391
our your recorded bowdlerized form

4006
05:45:39,391 --> 05:45:42,251
thank you Mister chair and it is on the motion

4007
05:45:42,251 --> 05:45:46,421
that you're buying something else second by council John's on

4008
05:45:46,421 --> 05:45:49,701
screen for you now seven counts now

4009
05:45:49,701 --> 05:45:52,131
yes Concentra

4010
05:45:52,131 --> 05:45:57,701
yes cancel yes map posted

4011
05:45:57,701 --> 05:46:00,881
yes absolutely

4012
05:46:00,881 --> 05:46:03,921
yes the Germans

4013
05:46:03,921 --> 05:46:06,221
yes Kerins

4014
05:46:06,221 --> 05:46:18,891
yes balanced cars carry on Mr yeah

4015
05:46:18,891 --> 05:46:21,031
wow okay

4016
05:46:21,031 --> 05:46:25,351
twelve point blindly choose maintenance are they standing there is

4017
05:46:25,351 --> 05:46:28,361
man from NA relations committee

4018
05:46:28,361 --> 05:46:33,731
dated February 20 for 2021

4019
05:46:33,731 --> 05:46:38,251
why nida moreover announced ambled by

4020
05:46:38,251 --> 05:46:47,411
Constance art and second the

4021
05:46:47,411 --> 05:46:50,121
on its grounds or who are on this year's favorites

4022
05:46:50,121 --> 05:46:54,151
you for the information our

4023
05:46:54,151 --> 05:46:57,721
their foster

4024
05:46:57,721 --> 05:47:01,431
nope sorry handed will come down okay

4025
05:47:01,431 --> 05:47:05,781
still doesn't there I got it any questions or comments

4026
05:47:05,841 --> 05:47:08,511
our house down here right he's

4027
05:47:08,511 --> 05:47:11,731
yeah I'm just noticing the

4028
05:47:11,731 --> 05:47:13,761
I guess

4029
05:47:13,761 --> 05:47:19,841
the SO two emissions ... six six thousand over six

4030
05:47:19,841 --> 05:47:24,481
thousand tonnes versus an allowance of thirty eight hundred

4031
05:47:24,481 --> 05:47:28,541
ton so that's quite a

4032
05:47:28,541 --> 05:47:32,411
I guess quickly over rap

4033
05:47:32,411 --> 05:47:34,661
what's the word I'm looking for

4034
05:47:34,661 --> 05:47:37,171
where do you see in some of

4035
05:47:37,171 --> 05:47:41,281
that was the explanation from St merry's

4036
05:47:41,281 --> 05:47:42,701
on that

4037
05:47:42,701 --> 05:47:45,141
it is written as long it is it are you

4038
05:47:45,141 --> 05:47:50,521
the type of person to answer me right

4039
05:47:50,521 --> 05:47:51,951
yes sure

4040
05:47:51,951 --> 05:47:53,231
yeah

4041
05:47:53,231 --> 05:47:57,841
sure through the chair of the two councillor Neil of

4042
05:47:57,841 --> 05:48:04,071
the six thousand tons six thousand and change our isn't

4043
05:48:04,071 --> 05:48:08,261
exceed means for this plant here in Bowman bill but

4044
05:48:08,261 --> 05:48:12,031
it is not an exceed ins for their limit in

4045
05:48:12,031 --> 05:48:16,121
Ontario because they can use both the Bowman go plant

4046
05:48:16,121 --> 05:48:18,791
and the St Mary's plant

4047
05:48:18,791 --> 05:48:25,201
... as they go deeper the rock is more sulfur

4048
05:48:25,761 --> 05:48:29,891
and that increases it the wet scrubbers that they have

4049
05:48:29,891 --> 05:48:36,321
just installed will help address that ... and they are

4050
05:48:36,491 --> 05:48:40,981
working actively with a group of residents down there ...

4051
05:48:41,121 --> 05:48:46,311
but they are not exceeding for their overall licenses within

4052
05:48:46,951 --> 05:48:50,991
the southern Ontario area

4053
05:48:50,991 --> 05:48:56,421
which I've heard before it doesn't sort of

4054
05:48:56,421 --> 05:49:01,371
help us out Jenny great to create a let's

4055
05:49:01,371 --> 05:49:03,501
that's the chakras the problem I have with that I

4056
05:49:03,501 --> 05:49:05,481
also noted that

4057
05:49:05,481 --> 05:49:08,361
the community concerns there are quite a quite a bit

4058
05:49:08,361 --> 05:49:10,871
more than I recall

4059
05:49:10,871 --> 05:49:13,611
you know regarding blasting noise and dust and so on

4060
05:49:13,641 --> 05:49:14,891
...

4061
05:49:14,891 --> 05:49:17,731
seems to be quite a bit more happening from that

4062
05:49:17,811 --> 05:49:20,771
standpoint than in the past so I recall where there

4063
05:49:20,771 --> 05:49:25,101
was very few complaints and I've heard for example ...

4064
05:49:25,101 --> 05:49:29,441
just you know I've heard of complaints myself residents have

4065
05:49:29,441 --> 05:49:31,821
sewer eserver

4066
05:49:31,821 --> 05:49:36,151
anything they're they're proposing to do about that

4067
05:49:36,151 --> 05:49:40,911
through the chair councillor Neil ... they have a new

4068
05:49:40,941 --> 05:49:45,811
environmental officer down there and he is actually ... actively

4069
05:49:45,841 --> 05:49:49,671
speaking with the community all the time and in fact

4070
05:49:49,671 --> 05:49:54,541
from our perspective the relationship has actually been better over

4071
05:49:54,541 --> 05:49:57,261
the last three to four months than it had been

4072
05:49:57,261 --> 05:50:03,291
prior to that so these numbers are from late last

4073
05:50:03,291 --> 05:50:07,221
year and early this year these minutes are from February

4074
05:50:07,571 --> 05:50:10,331
... so I think you might have a better indication

4075
05:50:10,361 --> 05:50:14,191
in the next set of minutes

4076
05:50:14,191 --> 05:50:18,181
thank you

4077
05:50:18,181 --> 05:50:21,001
many of them further from

4078
05:50:21,001 --> 05:50:24,331
and the other members of friends of yours

4079
05:50:24,331 --> 05:50:28,061
reading non fiction

4080
05:50:28,061 --> 05:50:31,731
Arlen favor

4081
05:50:31,731 --> 05:50:35,971
yes yes yes yes yes

4082
05:50:35,971 --> 05:50:39,301
any opposed

4083
05:50:39,301 --> 05:50:42,311
the number of cars

4084
05:50:42,311 --> 05:50:44,031
come

4085
05:50:44,031 --> 05:50:52,381
13 communications for direction 13.one

4086
05:50:52,381 --> 05:50:55,151
I need them over your hand is Philip constant near

4087
05:50:55,151 --> 05:51:03,151
you move in there

4088
05:51:03,151 --> 05:51:06,041
yeah I'm moving a few of them that second right

4089
05:51:06,461 --> 05:51:08,561
we have far

4090
05:51:08,561 --> 05:51:10,621
well we need a motion what well I mean I'm

4091
05:51:10,621 --> 05:51:13,491
gonna get a motion this further stuff

4092
05:51:13,491 --> 05:51:15,311
reporter looking

4093
05:51:15,311 --> 05:51:18,671
are you second in that may harm

4094
05:51:18,671 --> 05:51:20,611


4095
05:51:20,611 --> 05:51:24,871
no I'm not sure ... sure Corp will discuss that

4096
05:51:24,871 --> 05:51:27,021
I'm not sure knows what we're gonna cheat referring to

4097
05:51:27,021 --> 05:51:28,941
staff but

4098
05:51:28,941 --> 05:51:30,641
sure

4099
05:51:30,641 --> 05:51:33,261
okay it's

4100
05:51:33,261 --> 05:51:38,521
gore California

4101
05:51:38,521 --> 05:51:42,981
pardon me Mr okay so you're molded to reflect as

4102
05:51:42,981 --> 05:51:47,551
far from the net farm bureaus acting in that motion

4103
05:51:47,551 --> 05:51:50,751
still questions the comments you'll

4104
05:51:50,751 --> 05:51:53,441
we are going

4105
05:51:53,441 --> 05:51:55,601
well I guess so

4106
05:51:55,601 --> 05:51:58,251
I mean if

4107
05:51:58,251 --> 05:52:02,651
if nothing else the staff could ... just you know

4108
05:52:02,651 --> 05:52:04,741
I guess come back and say you know all of

4109
05:52:04,741 --> 05:52:09,431
the sensory information is not accurate for example ... the

4110
05:52:09,521 --> 05:52:12,541
statements made Clinton generation have been cited to have the

4111
05:52:12,541 --> 05:52:14,081
highest

4112
05:52:14,081 --> 05:52:16,671
new instance of lung conditions in aspen and Terry when

4113
05:52:16,671 --> 05:52:20,231
in fact perhaps can't well if that's false then we

4114
05:52:20,231 --> 05:52:24,591
should be saying that's false

4115
05:52:24,591 --> 05:52:28,251
interesting enough I I did that one time try to

4116
05:52:28,251 --> 05:52:33,621
get their region health department to do something similar to

4117
05:52:33,651 --> 05:52:37,431
what is talked about and and didn't go anywhere but

4118
05:52:37,941 --> 05:52:41,761
so respectfully Mr chairman thirteen point one not thirteen point

4119
05:52:41,761 --> 05:52:45,341
two

4120
05:52:45,341 --> 05:52:46,951
all sort

4121
05:52:46,951 --> 05:52:51,891
so we're booked Tarentum mammal

4122
05:52:51,891 --> 05:52:54,511
this is the letter from

4123
05:52:54,511 --> 05:52:57,551
CBS eligible scholars must be on they were supposed to

4124
05:52:57,551 --> 05:53:03,791
be on the memo thanks Harper's throw

4125
05:53:03,791 --> 05:53:06,441
therefore I would try that and then moved to receiver

4126
05:53:06,441 --> 05:53:08,391
information all came up

4127
05:53:08,391 --> 05:53:12,131
is that okay with you yeah yes well second up

4128
05:53:12,171 --> 05:53:16,711
yes and you know just getting ahead of myself

4129
05:53:16,711 --> 05:53:19,051
okay

4130
05:53:19,051 --> 05:53:22,441
all in favor okay on for a second Leicester cherub

4131
05:53:22,471 --> 05:53:25,411
it just a couple of comments before we vote on

4132
05:53:25,411 --> 05:53:28,831
the receive okay right ... the I. you know so

4133
05:53:28,831 --> 05:53:32,641
I I think this it's so St Mary's put this

4134
05:53:32,641 --> 05:53:34,871
here it is important

4135
05:53:34,871 --> 05:53:37,971
that we get the you know the accurate information out

4136
05:53:38,001 --> 05:53:42,471
so I I've had a lot of phone calls not

4137
05:53:42,471 --> 05:53:45,861
surprising because my cell number and I know that I

4138
05:53:45,861 --> 05:53:49,401
know that councillors Wharton counselor Hooper ... as well had

4139
05:53:49,401 --> 05:53:52,761
the benefit of having their cell numbers ... distributed but

4140
05:53:52,761 --> 05:53:57,591
a lot of people very upset about the the burning

4141
05:53:57,591 --> 05:54:01,351
of tyres at which S. eight merry's notes that never

4142
05:54:01,351 --> 05:54:05,191
happened ... hi you're on there as well as ...

4143
05:54:05,191 --> 05:54:09,811
burning of toxic waste which again that it didn't happen

4144
05:54:10,321 --> 05:54:12,441
so you know it's important that we get out there

4145
05:54:12,441 --> 05:54:16,621
and I I hope that all members of council will

4146
05:54:16,951 --> 05:54:22,151
will strive to correct of blatant inaccuracies like us but

4147
05:54:22,191 --> 05:54:25,231
sign up I can tell you this is taken hours

4148
05:54:25,231 --> 05:54:28,361
and hours of my time ... I'm quite sure it

4149
05:54:28,361 --> 05:54:32,021
has taken a huge amount of time for both cancer

4150
05:54:32,021 --> 05:54:36,181
Hooper and ... counselors short as well ... not sure

4151
05:54:36,181 --> 05:54:40,631
why our phone numbers ... why two of them are

4152
05:54:40,661 --> 05:54:43,071
you know sitting on the fence a couple of your

4153
05:54:43,071 --> 05:54:44,621
heroes

4154
05:54:44,621 --> 05:54:48,381
currently I am a horrible person but some

4155
05:54:48,381 --> 05:54:52,901
but the key information like this is just for misinformation

4156
05:54:52,901 --> 05:54:56,951
like this is just not not helpful and I I

4157
05:54:57,181 --> 05:54:59,981
thought it was important that we at least said of

4158
05:55:00,151 --> 05:55:04,261
someone make that statement of the sequel thank you Mr

4159
05:55:04,261 --> 05:55:05,361
chair

4160
05:55:05,361 --> 05:55:10,051
Braintree remarked Sharma hunter Hooper

4161
05:55:10,051 --> 05:55:12,661
yes thank you Mister chair in the

4162
05:55:12,661 --> 05:55:15,971
wholeheartedly agree with them mayor plaster I was actually going

4163
05:55:15,971 --> 05:55:19,911
to suggest that this is copy review forwarded to all

4164
05:55:20,301 --> 05:55:23,821
... count regional councillors as well as regional staff in

4165
05:55:23,821 --> 05:55:26,411
as well as to the principles of the ... Clarington

4166
05:55:26,411 --> 05:55:30,611
clear whoever that is and ...

4167
05:55:30,611 --> 05:55:34,431
nobody on Kelso realizes how much damage has been done

4168
05:55:34,431 --> 05:55:39,911
to reputations ... and ... you know quite frankly ...

4169
05:55:40,231 --> 05:55:42,901
trying to run a small business that pandemic and try

4170
05:55:42,901 --> 05:55:46,621
to answer all these calls and automatically when people call

4171
05:55:47,181 --> 05:55:51,181
my cell phone number they're mad they're angry they're upset

4172
05:55:51,511 --> 05:55:55,601
... people were yelling at me and ... I just

4173
05:55:55,601 --> 05:55:58,661
... you know and I don't know what I don't

4174
05:55:58,661 --> 05:56:02,691
know why I just anyways I just I'm I'm I'm

4175
05:56:02,891 --> 05:56:05,311
I'm hurt by this and I'll just leave it at

4176
05:56:05,311 --> 05:56:08,721
that so thank you very much

4177
05:56:08,721 --> 05:56:12,901
Burroughs said councilor counselor as far

4178
05:56:12,901 --> 05:56:15,031
yeah I would just like to add that the damaging

4179
05:56:15,031 --> 05:56:19,091
our reputations was the intent of that flyers so thanks

4180
05:56:19,091 --> 05:56:23,251
for bringing that up you're wrong and I agree that

4181
05:56:23,711 --> 05:56:29,021
that down this should be Sir while I'm circulated widely

4182
05:56:29,021 --> 05:56:33,041
to the your regional councillor members as well as

4183
05:56:33,041 --> 05:56:36,361
whoever is not clearing ... Claritin clear if we can

4184
05:56:36,361 --> 05:56:40,121
ever find and who they are thank you

4185
05:56:40,121 --> 05:56:44,341
thank you very much are there any further

4186
05:56:44,341 --> 05:56:46,811
comments

4187
05:56:46,811 --> 05:56:49,331
they're being non

4188
05:56:49,331 --> 05:56:52,421
all in favor

4189
05:56:52,421 --> 05:56:55,451
yes yes yes yes

4190
05:56:55,451 --> 05:56:56,741
yes

4191
05:56:56,741 --> 05:56:59,871
and your post

4192
05:56:59,871 --> 05:57:03,421
we're being on that card so now we move on

4193
05:57:03,421 --> 05:57:08,181
through the thirteen point tool which is around the garden

4194
05:57:08,181 --> 05:57:11,851
D. Johnson and this is our motion for direction on

4195
05:57:11,881 --> 05:57:16,141
anyone are you giving him all done tons of talk

4196
05:57:16,141 --> 05:57:22,191
th th th

4197
05:57:22,191 --> 05:57:26,791
now your house is billable may 4 through giving emotional

4198
05:57:26,791 --> 05:57:32,861
yes I give emotion to refer this to Durham region

4199
05:57:32,861 --> 05:57:36,981
with a requested response

4200
05:57:36,981 --> 05:57:42,301
and that Clarington be copied on the response

4201
05:57:42,301 --> 05:57:44,841
hi how Strickland a for that I use recommend that

4202
05:57:44,901 --> 05:57:51,491
continue yes okay great thank you Mr chairman along the

4203
05:57:51,491 --> 05:57:54,671
same lines like cancer Neil was ... you know was

4204
05:57:54,671 --> 05:57:59,961
starting ... you know firstly I ... I'm not aware

4205
05:58:00,131 --> 05:58:04,801
that it's ... that cancer rates and asthma are amongst

4206
05:58:04,801 --> 05:58:09,761
the highest ... in Ontario or Canada I would die

4207
05:58:09,811 --> 05:58:13,781
it would be nice to get some specific information there

4208
05:58:13,911 --> 05:58:16,991
... I I don't know I mean we we've heard

4209
05:58:16,991 --> 05:58:21,381
the ... the new socks our system is but ...

4210
05:58:21,381 --> 05:58:25,211
we don't know that the scrubbers or filtration systems hi

4211
05:58:25,271 --> 05:58:29,021
if they have been down or or not ... I

4212
05:58:29,021 --> 05:58:32,011
would think things have changed because that plant has been

4213
05:58:32,011 --> 05:58:36,761
around for a very long period of time and then

4214
05:58:36,761 --> 05:58:40,281
to give Mister Johnson a sense of

4215
05:58:40,281 --> 05:58:43,541
of what that what in fact ... Kelce was doing

4216
05:58:43,851 --> 05:58:46,421
so well

4217
05:58:46,421 --> 05:58:48,981
yes thank

4218
05:58:48,981 --> 05:58:53,021
thank you very much are there any other

4219
05:58:53,021 --> 05:58:55,511
questions are coming

4220
05:58:55,511 --> 05:58:59,811
once you're in the hands are are in favor

4221
05:58:59,811 --> 05:59:01,521
yes yes

4222
05:59:01,521 --> 05:59:03,921
yeah this

4223
05:59:03,921 --> 05:59:08,261
in your pores

4224
05:59:08,261 --> 05:59:11,861
they are being run that card

4225
05:59:11,861 --> 05:59:14,561
15.one

4226
05:59:14,561 --> 05:59:26,891
with I need a motion for around

4227
05:59:26,891 --> 05:59:31,541
Ron foster

4228
05:59:31,541 --> 05:59:34,051
are you giving me like yep I am I've my

4229
05:59:34,051 --> 05:59:37,401
apologies my mouse is not working as well as upset

4230
05:59:37,831 --> 05:59:41,041
as it could ... but yes ... once the motion

4231
05:59:41,041 --> 05:59:43,031
that it

4232
05:59:43,031 --> 05:59:47,441
apple that has ... as written as rich artistic constantly

4233
05:59:47,441 --> 05:59:50,481
hope are you second in that market motion

4234
05:59:50,481 --> 05:59:53,871
hello which is this I'm gonna maybe I'm confused at

4235
05:59:53,871 --> 05:59:57,671
what we are trying to on P. E. R.

4236
05:59:57,671 --> 06:00:02,071
zero three zero dollars twenty one current gun comments I'm

4237
06:00:02,071 --> 06:00:03,961
trying that is great

4238
06:00:03,961 --> 06:00:08,201
radiography wastes policy framework

4239
06:00:08,201 --> 06:00:11,341
just second that Mister chair

4240
06:00:11,341 --> 06:00:14,251
your struggling and not

4241
06:00:14,251 --> 06:00:16,561
right right well and I would be pleased to do

4242
06:00:16,561 --> 06:00:21,141
so our workers that's sorry

4243
06:00:21,141 --> 06:00:22,491
well yeah that's what I was going to do but

4244
06:00:22,491 --> 06:00:29,461
we'll still get handling crime guns are concerned you

4245
06:00:29,461 --> 06:00:31,611
well the only thing I would say it's it's some

4246
06:00:31,851 --> 06:00:37,051
kind of light on on actual data so

4247
06:00:37,051 --> 06:00:39,191
there was a report

4248
06:00:39,191 --> 06:00:43,561
from Durham region on the same issue which just laid

4249
06:00:43,561 --> 06:00:47,001
out the facts you know how much is being stored

4250
06:00:47,001 --> 06:00:49,141
how much will be stored

4251
06:00:49,141 --> 06:00:51,491
and we're talking with a lot of like over by

4252
06:00:51,491 --> 06:00:53,071
the time

4253
06:00:53,071 --> 06:00:57,631
... they get around to removing anything from Darlington for

4254
06:00:57,631 --> 06:01:01,351
example there would be over a million fuel bundles

4255
06:01:01,351 --> 06:01:04,511
stored at Darlington

4256
06:01:04,511 --> 06:01:07,821
and this this fuel bundles have half well I think

4257
06:01:07,821 --> 06:01:11,291
it's a half life of ten thousand years so

4258
06:01:11,291 --> 06:01:15,281
so you know they're just as radio active now as

4259
06:01:15,311 --> 06:01:18,221
when they came out of reactor

4260
06:01:18,221 --> 06:01:20,841
so I I just

4261
06:01:20,841 --> 06:01:22,641
you know I I quite frankly it's kind of late

4262
06:01:22,641 --> 06:01:25,791
to be getting into the details on this one for

4263
06:01:25,791 --> 06:01:28,291
... salt I guess I'll just save it for council

4264
06:01:28,291 --> 06:01:29,731
but I

4265
06:01:29,731 --> 06:01:32,251
I I would ask that if if they can distribute

4266
06:01:32,251 --> 06:01:34,291
during regions

4267
06:01:34,291 --> 06:01:37,931
report to council or I could do it myself I

4268
06:01:37,931 --> 06:01:39,851
guess but I thought it was just

4269
06:01:39,851 --> 06:01:43,851
well later in terms of what the issue is and

4270
06:01:43,851 --> 06:01:46,311
my my view is

4271
06:01:46,311 --> 06:01:49,981
there won't be anything removed from this from there are

4272
06:01:49,981 --> 06:01:53,901
from junction reactor until things been decommissioned so that's the

4273
06:01:53,901 --> 06:01:56,271
way it's trending so ...

4274
06:01:56,271 --> 06:01:59,561
I mean Pickering ... is the same and that's going

4275
06:01:59,561 --> 06:02:02,901
to get the commission I guess starting next year you're

4276
06:02:02,901 --> 06:02:06,771
after but nothing's ever been removed virtually from Pickering and

4277
06:02:06,771 --> 06:02:09,181
nothing will get removed from dark

4278
06:02:09,181 --> 06:02:12,101
so these these dates are

4279
06:02:12,101 --> 06:02:15,761
are probably 20 years

4280
06:02:15,761 --> 06:02:19,301
optimistic you're optimistic probably by at least ten to twenty

4281
06:02:19,301 --> 06:02:20,611
years and

4282
06:02:20,611 --> 06:02:24,681
so I'm sure it'll be shut down

4283
06:02:24,681 --> 06:02:27,511
our guards will be shut down before anything gets removed

4284
06:02:27,511 --> 06:02:30,381
if anything gets removed and

4285
06:02:30,381 --> 06:02:33,901
he what's kind of odd to me is

4286
06:02:33,901 --> 06:02:38,121
D. it also all these communities are turning it down

4287
06:02:38,121 --> 06:02:42,861
yeah we're we are the default restorer of nuclear waste

4288
06:02:42,861 --> 06:02:45,291
and I think if I was a

4289
06:02:45,291 --> 06:02:48,941
I worked in general OPG I think I

4290
06:02:48,941 --> 06:02:50,791
he kind of

4291
06:02:50,791 --> 06:02:53,541
I'd be little bit concerned about you know one of

4292
06:02:53,541 --> 06:02:55,501
one this is going to lead the plant and do

4293
06:02:55,501 --> 06:02:58,591
I spend my whole working life for example

4294
06:02:58,591 --> 06:03:02,231
where you know there's low level he's got there's some

4295
06:03:02,231 --> 06:03:03,981
level of

4296
06:03:03,981 --> 06:03:07,071
of a fact you know because there's a three kilometer

4297
06:03:07,071 --> 06:03:09,911
exclusion zone so I assume that's put in there for

4298
06:03:09,911 --> 06:03:13,281
a reason ... so I just don't think we're we're

4299
06:03:13,281 --> 06:03:15,491
really yeah

4300
06:03:15,491 --> 06:03:19,791
basically ... you coming out force one of Thomas and

4301
06:03:20,301 --> 06:03:22,511
but I'm not prepared to get into that now I

4302
06:03:22,511 --> 06:03:25,331
guess all public counsel

4303
06:03:25,331 --> 06:03:27,931
but I think the reason report really laid out the

4304
06:03:27,931 --> 06:03:32,931
facts very well on those topics thanks

4305
06:03:32,931 --> 06:03:36,301
our concern is you know the reasons report is running

4306
06:03:36,571 --> 06:03:41,221
it from sixteen point two

4307
06:03:41,221 --> 06:03:44,691
50

4308
06:03:44,691 --> 06:03:47,291
are you saying it is linked with living here it's

4309
06:03:47,291 --> 06:03:49,291
going to

4310
06:03:49,291 --> 06:03:51,011
well I'm just going by the hard copy so if

4311
06:03:51,011 --> 06:03:52,821
everybody's got

4312
06:03:52,821 --> 06:03:56,841
regional corporation all all all reserve my comments don't counseling

4313
06:03:56,871 --> 06:03:59,501
we've been out this long enough to

4314
06:03:59,501 --> 06:04:01,151
thanks

4315
06:04:01,151 --> 06:04:04,141
are there any other

4316
06:04:04,141 --> 06:04:07,191
question back on each

4317
06:04:07,191 --> 06:04:09,271
mayor foster

4318
06:04:09,271 --> 06:04:13,141
well thank you Mister chair so you know yes ...

4319
06:04:13,181 --> 06:04:17,401
were were concerned were worried ... you know and yes

4320
06:04:17,401 --> 06:04:21,211
work is being done ... this policy review ... being

4321
06:04:21,211 --> 06:04:24,841
a significance a piece of that work I am very

4322
06:04:24,841 --> 06:04:28,281
concerned with a couple statements ever just made our laps

4323
06:04:28,281 --> 06:04:31,851
... workers at the plant ... must suffer some sort

4324
06:04:31,851 --> 06:04:35,771
of ill effects I and you know that the three

4325
06:04:35,771 --> 06:04:40,831
kilometer exclusion zone ... it must be there ... because

4326
06:04:40,831 --> 06:04:44,041
of some sort of a fact a week we need

4327
06:04:44,041 --> 06:04:48,411
to ask the questions first before you make those statements

4328
06:04:48,871 --> 06:04:52,661
but my understanding and I have no idea where I

4329
06:04:52,661 --> 06:04:57,261
read this is that an airline pilot by virtue of

4330
06:04:57,261 --> 06:05:00,011
the radiation that you get when you fly will be

4331
06:05:00,011 --> 06:05:05,701
exposed to far more far more radiation ... than any

4332
06:05:05,701 --> 06:05:09,871
worker Janet OPG this is the ... you know the

4333
06:05:09,951 --> 06:05:14,311
the safety let us put in place there so before

4334
06:05:14,551 --> 06:05:18,661
we start talking about people being exposed ... in a

4335
06:05:18,661 --> 06:05:21,911
detrimental clash and I think that we need to ask

4336
06:05:21,911 --> 06:05:27,541
questions and get the appropriate information and the same with

4337
06:05:27,541 --> 06:05:33,671
the exclusions of services all highly highly regulated I am

4338
06:05:33,671 --> 06:05:38,831
very tightly monitored beds so the three kilometer exclusion zone

4339
06:05:39,231 --> 06:05:44,291
is not because you are at risk of getting radiation

4340
06:05:44,611 --> 06:05:49,371
from the plant within that zone that that is absolutely

4341
06:05:49,761 --> 06:05:54,481
inaccurate if if we want to ask those questions of

4342
06:05:54,481 --> 06:05:57,571
the CNSE the regulator if we want to ask them

4343
06:05:57,571 --> 06:06:02,181
of OPG but you know please before we start making

4344
06:06:02,181 --> 06:06:04,601
comments like that let's make sure that they were accurate

4345
06:06:04,721 --> 06:06:08,641
because those two comments were not

4346
06:06:08,641 --> 06:06:14,101
for

4347
06:06:14,101 --> 06:06:17,731
any other questions or comments before I go over to

4348
06:06:18,181 --> 06:06:20,901
Constantine

4349
06:06:20,901 --> 06:06:24,851
second time around concerning yes please

4350
06:06:24,851 --> 06:06:33,631
I need a second there for the ride

4351
06:06:33,631 --> 06:06:36,671
concert Jones

4352
06:06:36,671 --> 06:06:39,941
also writing

4353
06:06:39,941 --> 06:06:45,191
are in favor the second time around

4354
06:06:45,191 --> 06:06:49,391
yes yes

4355
06:06:49,391 --> 06:06:53,111
harm her yes 3

4356
06:06:53,111 --> 06:06:55,901
and your post

4357
06:06:55,901 --> 06:06:59,621
well

4358
06:06:59,621 --> 06:07:04,641
9 here in London okay go ahead concerning

4359
06:07:04,641 --> 06:07:08,631
well you know if there's if there's zero issues with

4360
06:07:08,811 --> 06:07:13,021
having all that ... nuclear waste stored

4361
06:07:13,021 --> 06:07:19,241
and Clinton and Clinton is one of the largest I

4362
06:07:19,241 --> 06:07:21,391
guess I mean that's the point rather than the juror

4363
06:07:21,391 --> 06:07:23,231
region reporters

4364
06:07:23,231 --> 06:07:26,991
is ... region is storing I think almost fifty percent

4365
06:07:26,991 --> 06:07:29,601
of the year of the used nuclear fuel in the

4366
06:07:29,601 --> 06:07:31,291
entire country

4367
06:07:31,291 --> 06:07:35,751
if if there's 0 impact 0 concerns

4368
06:07:35,751 --> 06:07:38,281
hope that then why why are we worried about you

4369
06:07:38,281 --> 06:07:41,581
know like why don't we just say we'll start forever

4370
06:07:42,031 --> 06:07:46,231
which I mean that's what we're doing now were were

4371
06:07:46,271 --> 06:07:49,031
but I think there's

4372
06:07:49,031 --> 06:07:50,981
there's no

4373
06:07:50,981 --> 06:07:54,451
there's the issues around low level nuclear waste ... bowl

4374
06:07:54,481 --> 06:07:57,561
even low level exposure so I had a friend that

4375
06:07:58,251 --> 06:08:01,421
... you know when I was the one of my

4376
06:08:01,421 --> 06:08:04,851
earliest friends he he got exposed

4377
06:08:04,851 --> 06:08:07,701
to ... some radiation an out and out place is

4378
06:08:07,701 --> 06:08:10,741
working and ... have terrible health effects and I I

4379
06:08:10,741 --> 06:08:14,911
didn't say that our workers the workers at OPG are

4380
06:08:14,911 --> 06:08:17,631
exposed I'm saying if I was working there I think

4381
06:08:17,631 --> 06:08:21,941
I feel better knowing that I wasn't working next to

4382
06:08:21,971 --> 06:08:25,231
a million or somewhere between depending on when it gets

4383
06:08:25,231 --> 06:08:28,871
removed between three hundred thousand tonnes in a million ...

4384
06:08:28,871 --> 06:08:32,521
sorry three hundred thousand fuel bundles and a million fuel

4385
06:08:32,521 --> 06:08:36,511
bundles are stored right next to where I'm working ...

4386
06:08:36,511 --> 06:08:37,811
so

4387
06:08:37,811 --> 06:08:41,441
you know if if there's absolutely zero impact in why

4388
06:08:41,441 --> 06:08:44,331
we even concerned about it but I think I think

4389
06:08:44,331 --> 06:08:47,231
the common sense would say there is a concern here

4390
06:08:47,231 --> 06:08:52,221
about you know low level exposure to radiation that's what

4391
06:08:52,221 --> 06:08:55,371
we're talking about here so and there's always the risk

4392
06:08:55,401 --> 06:09:00,181
of something happening ... where you know it the way

4393
06:09:00,181 --> 06:09:02,341
it store right now it's not in some sort of

4394
06:09:02,371 --> 06:09:06,851
deep geological repository which is where I think ultimately it

4395
06:09:06,851 --> 06:09:10,141
should have been stored in the first place ... ...

4396
06:09:10,141 --> 06:09:12,771
so I think there's there's more than just you know

4397
06:09:12,801 --> 06:09:15,621
a magic here concerns here and I think the record

4398
06:09:15,621 --> 06:09:19,481
even you know this this report says well some counselors

4399
06:09:19,511 --> 06:09:21,721
are what's the word

4400
06:09:21,721 --> 06:09:25,831
this used to be heard you know there's some cancers

4401
06:09:25,831 --> 06:09:30,091
are displeased while I'm not displeased I'm I'm you know

4402
06:09:30,091 --> 06:09:33,081
I I'm concerned from the long term health standpoint of

4403
06:09:33,081 --> 06:09:36,681
our residents and people who work at OPG that

4404
06:09:36,681 --> 06:09:39,971
... is there ... is there any a long term

4405
06:09:39,971 --> 06:09:44,141
health issues that is you know difficult to detect and

4406
06:09:44,451 --> 06:09:47,551
you know that this stuff should not be in Clinton

4407
06:09:47,551 --> 06:09:51,931
it should be in some sort of deep geological repository

4408
06:09:51,931 --> 06:09:55,061
but I recall someone showing up ten years ago almost

4409
06:09:55,061 --> 06:09:57,291
saying this was going to happen ... you know and

4410
06:09:57,291 --> 06:10:00,591
nothing has happened so you know that's the concern I

4411
06:10:00,591 --> 06:10:03,651
have is the total what I perceive as total inaction

4412
06:10:03,651 --> 06:10:06,711
on on the part of the federal government and by

4413
06:10:06,711 --> 06:10:10,261
extension OPG so were you know OPG salt is part

4414
06:10:10,261 --> 06:10:12,741
of this as well and ... they're the ones that

4415
06:10:13,191 --> 06:10:15,741
are producing the used fuel bundles and it's really their

4416
06:10:15,741 --> 06:10:19,171
responsibility as well as the federal government to destroy the

4417
06:10:19,171 --> 06:10:22,871
property so that's all so that's not getting my facts

4418
06:10:22,871 --> 06:10:25,131
straight and I I don't think I'm getting wrong let's

4419
06:10:25,131 --> 06:10:27,551
put it that way so

4420
06:10:27,551 --> 06:10:29,371
bottom line is

4421
06:10:29,371 --> 06:10:31,251
yet they should they have to go out of Clinton

4422
06:10:31,251 --> 06:10:33,131
and I said the other day you know to their

4423
06:10:33,131 --> 06:10:36,901
foster get a date from from get a date one

4424
06:10:36,901 --> 06:10:39,471
they're going to get removed and you know I don't

4425
06:10:39,471 --> 06:10:43,601
think I'm hearing anything other than they give the estimates

4426
06:10:43,601 --> 06:10:47,211
of updates which are getting pushed out twenty years every

4427
06:10:47,211 --> 06:10:49,761
time they come back they they pushed up another twenty

4428
06:10:49,761 --> 06:10:51,331
years so

4429
06:10:51,331 --> 06:10:54,011
thank you

4430
06:10:54,011 --> 06:10:55,971
therefore the

4431
06:10:55,971 --> 06:10:59,011
one hundred twelve thank you Mr chair and you know

4432
06:10:59,011 --> 06:11:01,431
I'm not going to I'm not going to labor ...

4433
06:11:01,431 --> 06:11:03,681
this we can get a copy of the transcript I

4434
06:11:03,711 --> 06:11:06,961
think if the clerk would look around channel five ...

4435
06:11:06,961 --> 06:11:12,081
the suggestions of the three kilometer zone ends out workers

4436
06:11:12,731 --> 06:11:16,471
... having risks from that so of course it was

4437
06:11:16,471 --> 06:11:20,701
a problem cancer Neil no one is suggesting that the

4438
06:11:20,701 --> 06:11:23,631
plan was ever that stay there no one is suggesting

4439
06:11:24,401 --> 06:11:28,041
that now ... so yes that should be in D.

4440
06:11:28,041 --> 06:11:31,791
G. R. yes ... they're they're working on that they're

4441
06:11:31,791 --> 06:11:35,611
working on a site ... section one point one zero

4442
06:11:35,781 --> 06:11:38,591
... gives you the time line which is twenty forty

4443
06:11:38,591 --> 06:11:42,331
to twenty forty five on that ... can they give

4444
06:11:42,331 --> 06:11:45,101
you a specific date when this is going to move

4445
06:11:45,101 --> 06:11:49,081
ahead now that it's a pretty significant process and I

4446
06:11:49,081 --> 06:11:52,841
think we have ... that we've made the the request

4447
06:11:52,841 --> 06:11:55,551
I believe I don't know if we've done it formally

4448
06:11:55,551 --> 06:11:58,771
for NW old column so you can ask the questions

4449
06:11:58,771 --> 06:12:03,251
up ... but ... you know before we take positions

4450
06:12:03,671 --> 06:12:07,001
right I think we should be asking some questions to

4451
06:12:07,001 --> 06:12:10,251
find out what is going on with that ... but

4452
06:12:10,251 --> 06:12:12,781
anyway ... I don't think we're going to agree we

4453
06:12:12,781 --> 06:12:15,851
could probably today all night I'm not sure that anyone

4454
06:12:15,851 --> 06:12:18,741
wants to hear us debate all night so ... ...

4455
06:12:18,781 --> 06:12:24,671
Mister chair thank you

4456
06:12:24,671 --> 06:12:28,351
any further questions or comments are part of the question

4457
06:12:28,351 --> 06:12:30,661
are in favor

4458
06:12:30,661 --> 06:12:35,711
yes yes yes yes yes

4459
06:12:35,711 --> 06:12:37,971
in Europe rose

4460
06:12:37,971 --> 06:12:43,221
for for for hours

4461
06:12:43,221 --> 06:12:47,751
for example

4462
06:12:47,751 --> 06:12:50,781
following

4463
06:12:50,781 --> 06:12:53,161
to

4464
06:12:53,161 --> 06:12:59,731
our group early communications hello

4465
06:12:59,731 --> 06:13:04,551
P. B. S. 031 I need

4466
06:13:04,551 --> 06:13:11,261
they're faster you move in that

4467
06:13:11,261 --> 06:13:14,611
I'm trying yes okay

4468
06:13:14,611 --> 06:13:17,571
what are your eyes written

4469
06:13:17,571 --> 06:13:28,251
yes Sir I need a second of throwback

4470
06:13:28,251 --> 06:13:33,301
ana concepts aren't stricken that

4471
06:13:33,301 --> 06:13:37,331
we are closer to renewable you'll come in you know

4472
06:13:37,331 --> 06:13:39,951
you start trying to second it yeah I was just

4473
06:13:39,951 --> 06:13:43,081
gonna secondaries okay

4474
06:13:43,081 --> 06:13:47,181
questions or comments

4475
06:13:47,181 --> 06:13:50,971
they're being non are in favor

4476
06:13:50,971 --> 06:13:55,711
yes yes yes yes

4477
06:13:55,711 --> 06:13:59,811
and your pulled

4478
06:13:59,811 --> 06:14:02,911
baths courage

4479
06:14:02,911 --> 06:14:08,801
Sir we're moving on to new business counselor so art

4480
06:14:09,211 --> 06:14:12,951
sprinkler systems

4481
06:14:12,951 --> 06:14:16,551
yes thank you ... so this is more about myself

4482
06:14:16,551 --> 06:14:20,981
and seconded by ... bear foster ...

4483
06:14:20,981 --> 06:14:24,871
I think the resolution speaks for itself ... I hope

4484
06:14:24,871 --> 06:14:28,361
my fellow councillors supported them it it has it is

4485
06:14:28,361 --> 06:14:33,681
proven that that sprinkler systems in homes will save lives

4486
06:14:33,721 --> 06:14:39,291
... it apparently it's forty five hundred dollars to install

4487
06:14:39,291 --> 06:14:42,441
when the building is new so you know at in

4488
06:14:42,441 --> 06:14:45,111
an overall cost of a building not on a new

4489
06:14:45,111 --> 06:14:48,211
hold that that's that's not an old resume out of

4490
06:14:48,211 --> 06:14:50,891
money and down when you're trying to retrofit a building

4491
06:14:50,891 --> 06:14:54,111
later it it it costs a whole lot more so

4492
06:14:54,471 --> 06:14:58,011
... I I think we should down encourage the province

4493
06:14:58,011 --> 06:15:02,651
to adopt this the fire an association's been ... at

4494
06:15:02,911 --> 06:15:06,171
you know and trying to get this this past for

4495
06:15:06,171 --> 06:15:09,491
many many years now and ... I think it is

4496
06:15:09,701 --> 06:15:12,571
a good move so thank you

4497
06:15:12,571 --> 06:15:16,121
going through remote there any event of math class the

4498
06:15:16,121 --> 06:15:18,061
go ahead please

4499
06:15:18,061 --> 06:15:21,581
well yeah thank you Mr chair adult games for you

4500
06:15:21,581 --> 06:15:25,151
to either a blister ... Windle or or miss Lang

4501
06:15:25,151 --> 06:15:27,841
made we had a brief chat where we've done the

4502
06:15:27,901 --> 06:15:33,211
secondary plans while we can't enforce the house is there

4503
06:15:33,561 --> 06:15:40,111
anything stopping us from including this you know somewhere in

4504
06:15:40,791 --> 06:15:45,061
the towers our suggestions to developers to to put a

4505
06:15:45,061 --> 06:15:47,851
little bit more on on the side no idea where

4506
06:15:47,851 --> 06:15:49,511
it would ...

4507
06:15:49,511 --> 06:15:52,171
where it would fit into those reviews that we just

4508
06:15:52,171 --> 06:15:54,331
step back from

4509
06:15:54,331 --> 06:15:56,061
Abu

4510
06:15:56,061 --> 06:16:01,271
hello I'm looking for ideas

4511
06:16:01,271 --> 06:16:06,691
we've got a good tool Mr Ali's

4512
06:16:06,691 --> 06:16:09,551
well I was gonna go okay Mr Alice's got his

4513
06:16:09,551 --> 06:16:14,281
hand up so all taken by truck struck yesterday chaired

4514
06:16:14,281 --> 06:16:17,841
do their foster ... I noted on the call tonight

4515
06:16:17,871 --> 06:16:20,011
... Brent rice is trying to it's nine oh he's

4516
06:16:20,011 --> 06:16:22,841
been a part of several conversations in the past with

4517
06:16:22,841 --> 06:16:26,851
the building industry so if with respect I can suggest

4518
06:16:26,851 --> 06:16:30,061
perhaps ... Mr rice respond to that question about what

4519
06:16:30,061 --> 06:16:32,911
might be possible by way of a dialogue on that

4520
06:16:32,911 --> 06:16:34,811
front

4521
06:16:34,811 --> 06:16:38,001
thank you for rice grad

4522
06:16:38,001 --> 06:16:43,201
good evening everyone and through the chair to foster ...

4523
06:16:43,341 --> 06:16:47,091
as a Strauss noted ... through the various organizations that

4524
06:16:47,091 --> 06:16:50,721
I'm part of ... as chief building official over the

4525
06:16:50,721 --> 06:16:55,411
years there have been numerous discussions about ... adding sprinkler

4526
06:16:55,411 --> 06:17:00,261
systems to the building code for ... single family homes

4527
06:17:00,261 --> 06:17:02,201
townhouses

4528
06:17:02,201 --> 06:17:06,491
it's well received among the the building official

4529
06:17:06,491 --> 06:17:11,371
sector ... Ennis counts resort indicated the fire chiefs association

4530
06:17:11,371 --> 06:17:13,951
has been

4531
06:17:13,951 --> 06:17:15,461
moving

4532
06:17:15,461 --> 06:17:17,041


4533
06:17:17,041 --> 06:17:19,491
to have this added to the building code as well

4534
06:17:19,841 --> 06:17:23,281
to date there have been no uptake from the province

4535
06:17:23,341 --> 06:17:27,781
to include it ... I indicated in an email to

4536
06:17:27,781 --> 06:17:30,131
council sort that that I am in favor of this

4537
06:17:30,131 --> 06:17:34,541
I think it's it's a very ... easy system to

4538
06:17:34,541 --> 06:17:37,481
install in as she pointed out to the cost is

4539
06:17:37,511 --> 06:17:41,431
is very insignificant in the overall cost of a new

4540
06:17:41,431 --> 06:17:48,061
home and would certainly go to ... reducing the fire

4541
06:17:48,061 --> 06:17:51,461
damage based on on information I've seen and heard at

4542
06:17:51,491 --> 06:17:55,571
various meetings I've been out and save lives ... so

4543
06:17:55,571 --> 06:17:58,091
I think it's it's a very worthwhile motion and and

4544
06:17:58,091 --> 06:18:01,641
a very worthwhile cause to to get behind

4545
06:18:01,641 --> 06:18:04,971
okay thank you thank you Mr rice and so the

4546
06:18:05,001 --> 06:18:09,281
big question is ... you know is is there anywhere

4547
06:18:10,351 --> 06:18:12,861
that we can get this

4548
06:18:12,861 --> 06:18:17,271
into our into our documentation so you know we just

4549
06:18:17,271 --> 06:18:21,031
on secondary plans and in the secondary plans when we

4550
06:18:21,031 --> 06:18:24,801
speak about energy efficiency and I think on the one

4551
06:18:24,801 --> 06:18:29,161
it was building design to reduce crime ... any number

4552
06:18:29,161 --> 06:18:32,861
of things like that ... is I guess the question

4553
06:18:32,861 --> 06:18:36,101
is value but but sort of putting in the face

4554
06:18:36,101 --> 06:18:38,891
of the developers I know they complain that it adds

4555
06:18:38,891 --> 06:18:41,771
cost to have but as you note on in the

4556
06:18:41,771 --> 06:18:44,021
grand scheme of things if you're selling a house for

4557
06:18:44,501 --> 06:18:47,431
seven or eight hundred thousand dollars the twenty five hundred

4558
06:18:47,601 --> 06:18:50,751
is not a lot and ... when we're looking at

4559
06:18:50,751 --> 06:18:55,151
these ... stacked towns in the the density if something

4560
06:18:55,151 --> 06:18:57,971
happens in one unit it's going to impact other units

4561
06:18:58,001 --> 06:19:00,341
so ...

4562
06:19:00,341 --> 06:19:02,711
is there anything we can do to to give this

4563
06:19:02,811 --> 06:19:05,121
a bit higher profile right here

4564
06:19:05,121 --> 06:19:11,711
well

4565
06:19:11,711 --> 06:19:14,281
follow that with you I'm not I'm not hearing anything

4566
06:19:14,281 --> 06:19:17,981
back so right now ... I listen are you I'm

4567
06:19:17,981 --> 06:19:19,461
from

4568
06:19:19,461 --> 06:19:22,751
I'm gonna put on my my former lawyers had here

4569
06:19:22,751 --> 06:19:26,091
for a second ... your worship ... it's a challenge

4570
06:19:26,121 --> 06:19:29,591
and and several years ago I was actually part of

4571
06:19:29,591 --> 06:19:33,611
some of the conversations with with Mr rice and ...

4572
06:19:33,611 --> 06:19:37,871
the building industry was not embracing the idea some of

4573
06:19:37,871 --> 06:19:42,071
the more some some local ... ... home builders were

4574
06:19:42,071 --> 06:19:45,131
supportive of it but those that weren't were quite adamant

4575
06:19:45,131 --> 06:19:48,211
that they would you know resist any attempts to ...

4576
06:19:48,211 --> 06:19:51,751
have that become a compulsory requirement I think ... if

4577
06:19:51,751 --> 06:19:54,441
I could suggest leave that was stock will find ways

4578
06:19:54,441 --> 06:19:58,251
we can perhaps ... ... seek to impose it or

4579
06:19:58,251 --> 06:20:00,581
seek to request it I think we'll probably need the

4580
06:20:00,581 --> 06:20:03,501
guidance of Mr Carmen the process because of the top

4581
06:20:03,501 --> 06:20:05,761
of my head I'm not sure of the mechanism by

4582
06:20:05,761 --> 06:20:08,251
which I can you know say to council tonight yes

4583
06:20:08,641 --> 06:20:11,031
here's an easy path to making this a requirement in

4584
06:20:11,031 --> 06:20:12,321
Clarington

4585
06:20:12,321 --> 06:20:15,551
okay yet Mr awesome now thank you M. that counselors

4586
06:20:15,551 --> 06:20:18,231
work thanks for bringing this up ... it was on

4587
06:20:18,231 --> 06:20:20,211
the radar and sort of fell off the radar it's

4588
06:20:20,211 --> 06:20:24,521
a really good initiative thank you thank you Mr chair

4589
06:20:24,521 --> 06:20:28,331
are there any further

4590
06:20:28,331 --> 06:20:33,361
comments from members on council who

4591
06:20:33,361 --> 06:20:35,621
researchers think Kenneth thank you because there's a word in

4592
06:20:35,621 --> 06:20:37,931
there for us for for bringing this forward ... I

4593
06:20:37,931 --> 06:20:40,681
think back when I first ...

4594
06:20:40,681 --> 06:20:43,211
the first two were killed saw was that fire liaison

4595
06:20:43,241 --> 06:20:45,351
shared

4596
06:20:45,351 --> 06:20:48,281
chair and ... this was one of emotions that was

4597
06:20:48,281 --> 06:20:51,101
brought forward back then too as well and I would

4598
06:20:51,101 --> 06:20:55,851
just like to say ... you know it's

4599
06:20:55,851 --> 06:20:59,591
it's it's time to this sort of ... somebody gets

4600
06:20:59,591 --> 06:21:01,861
a hold of this and and implements that and by

4601
06:21:01,861 --> 06:21:07,411
all the support of it thank you

4602
06:21:07,411 --> 06:21:14,921
the current anything further there being none because the constant

4603
06:21:14,921 --> 06:21:18,441
how ... concerning a bride yeah it's just a question

4604
06:21:18,441 --> 06:21:20,811
what what what what is it with this plan rural

4605
06:21:20,841 --> 06:21:26,811
properties as well where's someone on well

4606
06:21:26,811 --> 06:21:29,361
our search I don't think it would work out on

4607
06:21:29,701 --> 06:21:33,421
my intention may I answer that

4608
06:21:33,421 --> 06:21:36,721
you're going to be burned my intention is yes ...

4609
06:21:36,751 --> 06:21:40,311
apparently they have to build a reservoir ... to accommodate

4610
06:21:40,311 --> 06:21:43,871
a sprinkler system in our in our world ... setting

4611
06:21:43,871 --> 06:21:47,461
but yes I do hope that I hope it implies

4612
06:21:47,461 --> 06:21:50,351
to rural homes as well they're the ones that take

4613
06:21:50,351 --> 06:21:54,371
longer for the fire truck to get to

4614
06:21:54,371 --> 06:21:56,861
and and can I ask for a recorded vote trees

4615
06:21:56,861 --> 06:21:58,491
chair

4616
06:21:58,491 --> 06:22:02,411
yes ma'am you can

4617
06:22:02,411 --> 06:22:06,551
is that a PPO plans India

4618
06:22:06,551 --> 06:22:10,641
yeah I you know like

4619
06:22:10,641 --> 06:22:14,131
I have a commercial building that doesn't have sprinklers ...

4620
06:22:14,691 --> 06:22:16,081
so

4621
06:22:16,081 --> 06:22:17,731
thank

4622
06:22:17,731 --> 06:22:21,831
I'm I'm just not I'm I'm more concerned about

4623
06:22:21,831 --> 06:22:25,801
why we're not going after ... older houses not not

4624
06:22:26,081 --> 06:22:28,141
like newer ones to me is not the issue it's

4625
06:22:28,141 --> 06:22:32,671
older housing stock were you know others are like that's

4626
06:22:32,671 --> 06:22:36,201
where the fatalities are occurring that I'm aware of

4627
06:22:36,201 --> 06:22:40,881
Masha on its older housing stock which shows faulty wiring

4628
06:22:40,881 --> 06:22:43,901
are brought up in a white white white words for

4629
06:22:43,901 --> 06:22:47,781
example not inspecting ... and the answer is well we

4630
06:22:47,781 --> 06:22:50,031
can't so to me if you're gonna attack the issue

4631
06:22:50,031 --> 06:22:51,091
of

4632
06:22:51,091 --> 06:22:53,371
fire safety you need to be going out to the

4633
06:22:53,371 --> 06:22:56,091
older housing stock where there's multiple units in the house

4634
06:22:56,091 --> 06:22:59,721
and so on so as opposed to adding the cost

4635
06:22:59,721 --> 06:23:05,231
of new homes sunspots are

4636
06:23:05,231 --> 06:23:13,341
Mr rice you had your hand up

4637
06:23:13,341 --> 06:23:17,581
residents I think you sure Anderson added just to speak

4638
06:23:17,581 --> 06:23:22,171
to the point raised with regard to a sprinkler systems

4639
06:23:22,171 --> 06:23:26,491
in rural areas yes ... concert was correct it would

4640
06:23:26,491 --> 06:23:31,551
apply to all residential ... dwellings

4641
06:23:31,551 --> 06:23:35,031
in the case of a residential sprinkler system the the

4642
06:23:35,031 --> 06:23:39,491
amount of water that is required is

4643
06:23:39,491 --> 06:23:43,071
substantially less than what we would see in reserve tanks

4644
06:23:43,071 --> 06:23:49,591
for a large commercial industrial building ... they're usually not

4645
06:23:49,591 --> 06:23:52,831
much bigger than ... hot water tank and they require

4646
06:23:53,321 --> 06:23:58,391
a small ... booster pump to provide the pressure with

4647
06:23:58,391 --> 06:24:01,571
some sort of ... I have a generator or even

4648
06:24:01,571 --> 06:24:05,951
a battery backup system so the additional cost for ...

4649
06:24:05,951 --> 06:24:10,711
for residential houses ... or rural housing ... is is

4650
06:24:10,711 --> 06:24:14,291
not all that much more than what would be required

4651
06:24:14,291 --> 06:24:23,031
in an urban area that has a municipal water supply

4652
06:24:23,031 --> 06:24:25,331
okay

4653
06:24:25,331 --> 06:24:30,061
I believe a recorded vote was called for the current

4654
06:24:30,061 --> 06:24:33,131
I thank you Mr chairman as a motion made by

4655
06:24:33,131 --> 06:24:35,921
council as well as segment by meth bust on screen

4656
06:24:35,921 --> 06:24:41,431
for you now starting with the council's ward

4657
06:24:41,431 --> 06:24:44,131
yes my first

4658
06:24:44,131 --> 06:24:45,321
yes

4659
06:24:45,321 --> 06:24:46,831
cancel reply

4660
06:24:46,831 --> 06:24:49,751
yes the drones

4661
06:24:49,751 --> 06:24:53,431
yes California no

4662
06:24:53,431 --> 06:24:55,881
from the trail

4663
06:24:55,881 --> 06:24:57,211
yes

4664
06:24:57,211 --> 06:25:02,591
Karen yes margins carried 61

4665
06:25:02,591 --> 06:25:06,711
okay

4666
06:25:06,711 --> 06:25:11,881
move around you who

4667
06:25:11,881 --> 06:25:15,181
16.2

4668
06:25:15,181 --> 06:25:19,411
Canadian rate throughout the Wisconsin near you'll have a motion

4669
06:25:19,411 --> 06:25:21,371
might give you on the spot

4670
06:25:21,371 --> 06:25:26,961
not all I'm not saying that you're not proceeding with

4671
06:25:26,961 --> 06:25:29,671
for rescue drawn

4672
06:25:29,671 --> 06:25:36,431
yes R. 3 thank you Sir unfinished business without that

4673
06:25:36,431 --> 06:25:41,631
17.10 and all kinds of denture reports

4674
06:25:41,631 --> 06:25:45,711
191 final

4675
06:25:45,711 --> 06:25:49,111
Mr are you giving me rock concert and you know

4676
06:25:49,581 --> 06:25:52,561
I have a question to wrap

4677
06:25:52,561 --> 06:25:57,811
question stop okay who who's presently calling

4678
06:25:57,811 --> 06:25:58,991
our

4679
06:25:58,991 --> 06:26:03,441
so my question is like the the camp 30

4680
06:26:03,441 --> 06:26:05,491
I thought I think it was a resolution and said

4681
06:26:05,491 --> 06:26:07,281
you know to be a certain number of months to

4682
06:26:07,281 --> 06:26:09,581
try to get a resolution failing which there was to

4683
06:26:09,581 --> 06:26:10,851
be

4684
06:26:10,851 --> 06:26:14,321
an ad hoc committee instructed trader

4685
06:26:14,321 --> 06:26:17,321
Russell led to the ground so it what's the status

4686
06:26:17,321 --> 06:26:19,991
on that

4687
06:26:19,991 --> 06:26:23,411
who exactly that means strongly

4688
06:26:23,411 --> 06:26:29,871
or or yeah I like your mind is wrong

4689
06:26:29,871 --> 06:26:34,691
through the chair to councillor Neil ... we ... the

4690
06:26:34,691 --> 06:26:38,431
consultant that we retain to help facilitate some of this

4691
06:26:38,431 --> 06:26:44,481
has had a concussion and so we have had ...

4692
06:26:44,511 --> 06:26:47,741
they they have a hard time even doing soon call

4693
06:26:47,741 --> 06:26:51,601
so we have had a hard time getting back at

4694
06:26:51,601 --> 06:26:54,621
this but we still have this on the radar and

4695
06:26:54,621 --> 06:26:59,031
we'll get back to it

4696
06:26:59,031 --> 06:27:03,141
get huntsman mail

4697
06:27:03,141 --> 06:27:06,571
well I am there was a time element put into

4698
06:27:06,571 --> 06:27:09,831
that Mr true it's also I'm just pointing that out

4699
06:27:09,831 --> 06:27:14,001
maybe up maybe the clerk could send me the

4700
06:27:14,001 --> 06:27:22,531
the resolution that we can pass on that please thanks

4701
06:27:22,531 --> 06:27:26,371
if you're in the wrong but now concerning

4702
06:27:26,371 --> 06:27:32,401
that's all I'm asking thank you we'll send that to

4703
06:27:32,401 --> 06:27:36,441
the card will probably return if you wish okay Lang

4704
06:27:36,441 --> 06:27:40,531
Yun motion to adjourn by Collins on me and second

4705
06:27:40,561 --> 06:27:44,361
are you certain that they're faster

4706
06:27:44,361 --> 06:27:46,631
well I was going to make an observation broccoli at

4707
06:27:46,631 --> 06:27:50,291
your learning very quick observation and are going back to

4708
06:27:50,291 --> 06:27:55,421
the the Clarington clear ... this committee heard from the

4709
06:27:55,691 --> 06:28:00,801
the three counselors that are being swatted

4710
06:28:00,801 --> 06:28:05,841
... with that I think councillor Jordan is absolutely correct

4711
06:28:06,451 --> 06:28:12,761
... you know something that is meant to impact our

4712
06:28:12,761 --> 06:28:16,261
reputations ... and something that

4713
06:28:16,261 --> 06:28:18,851
okay you know has

4714
06:28:18,851 --> 06:28:24,581
some very very very serious that misstatements of fact

4715
06:28:24,581 --> 06:28:27,891
but we don't hear a fellow councillors making public statements

4716
06:28:28,611 --> 06:28:33,671
... and you know I I would hope that when

4717
06:28:35,041 --> 06:28:39,961
someone a counselor see something like that happening the misstatements

4718
06:28:39,961 --> 06:28:44,091
of fact that they would be publicly making the statements

4719
06:28:44,091 --> 06:28:48,621
that that should not be tolerated that the facts are

4720
06:28:49,121 --> 06:28:54,881
are not accurate I am not true ... and then

4721
06:28:54,881 --> 06:28:58,681
yep I thought but councillors work ... Kelsey Hooper and

4722
06:28:58,681 --> 06:29:03,741
I heard was absolute silence and you know I I

4723
06:29:03,741 --> 06:29:08,761
find that personally very disturbing thank you Mr chair

4724
06:29:08,761 --> 06:29:12,361
thank you very much

4725
06:29:12,361 --> 06:29:15,741
are there any other

4726
06:29:15,741 --> 06:29:19,401
comments or questions now

4727
06:29:19,401 --> 06:29:22,521
motion to adjourn move by

4728
06:29:22,521 --> 06:29:29,901
Johnson here I need a second of for that

4729
06:29:29,901 --> 06:29:34,101
nobody wants to go home Concentra

4730
06:29:34,101 --> 06:29:38,511
seconding the motion yeah

4731
06:29:38,511 --> 06:29:42,401
questions comments none are in favor

4732
06:29:42,401 --> 06:29:46,841
yes yes yes yes yes

4733
06:29:46,841 --> 06:29:48,641
yes those

4734
06:29:48,641 --> 06:29:53,281
right yeah I would have a good night everybody