1 00:00:53,569 --> 00:00:56,668 All right, good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We'll now convene 2 00:00:57,889 --> 00:01:03,628 the September 2026 meeting of the Clark County Plan Commission. 3 00:01:03,628 --> 00:01:05,948 We'll begin tonight with an announcement of our meeting rules. 4 00:01:07,807 --> 00:01:10,426 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I would ask you that 5 00:01:10,447 --> 00:01:12,746 please turn off for silence and his cell phones or 6 00:01:12,746 --> 00:01:16,266 electronic devices you have so as not to disrupt tonight's 7 00:01:16,266 --> 00:01:18,906 hearing. If you're going to speak to the commission tonight, 8 00:01:18,906 --> 00:01:20,746 we'd ask you to please come forward, set at this 9 00:01:20,746 --> 00:01:25,786 table and speak into the microphone. First thing we'd ask 10 00:01:25,786 --> 00:01:27,866 you to do is state your name and address so 11 00:01:27,906 --> 00:01:30,480 that we have that for the record. The applicant for 12 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,960 each agenda item tonight can have up to 15 minutes 13 00:01:33,141 --> 00:01:37,420 to present evidence to this commission and supportive application, but 14 00:01:37,420 --> 00:01:41,837 the reservation for rebuttal time at the end. Thereafter one 15 00:01:41,858 --> 00:01:44,397 person from each household who had received a notice of 16 00:01:44,418 --> 00:01:46,797 an agenda item may have up to three minutes to 17 00:01:46,797 --> 00:01:49,917 present evidence to the commission in support of or against 18 00:01:49,957 --> 00:01:53,757 the application. Other interested parties may its discretion of the 19 00:01:53,938 --> 00:01:59,117 commission have additional time percent relevant evidence to the board. 20 00:01:59,138 --> 00:02:01,597 All questions about the application or the applicant should be 21 00:02:01,637 --> 00:02:04,957 directed to the commission, which the commission men may then 22 00:02:04,978 --> 00:02:07,597 direct to the applicant if the commission determines that those 23 00:02:07,637 --> 00:02:10,317 questions are relevant and would assist them in making their 24 00:02:10,357 --> 00:02:15,148 determination. The commission may refute, refuse to hear irrelevant or 25 00:02:15,169 --> 00:02:18,968 repetitive evidence or other statements and the president of the 26 00:02:19,089 --> 00:02:22,588 commission shall determine what information is relevant and or repetitive. 27 00:02:23,711 --> 00:02:26,970 The commission may ask applicants or anyone speaking for or 28 00:02:27,010 --> 00:02:31,210 against an application questions regarding an agenda item and a 29 00:02:31,250 --> 00:02:34,410 reasonable additional time will be allowed for responding to such 30 00:02:34,671 --> 00:02:37,370 questions. Please keep in mind that if you have questions 31 00:02:37,551 --> 00:02:41,210 or concerns about drainage issues, this board or this commission 32 00:02:41,871 --> 00:02:45,050 does not have jurisdiction over that. Those concerns should be 33 00:02:45,071 --> 00:02:48,906 addressed to the county drainage board. Mr. Bryson. All right, 34 00:02:48,906 --> 00:02:52,986 thank you, Mr. King. For our public hearing items tonight, 35 00:02:52,986 --> 00:02:54,586 we're going to jump a little out of order here 36 00:02:54,586 --> 00:02:57,946 to item number B, just in case anyone here is 37 00:02:57,967 --> 00:03:01,626 here specifically for this item. This is PC 26 - 38 00:03:01,887 --> 00:03:10,186 26. It's a preliminary subdivision platform 60 between Ashby Lane 39 00:03:10,186 --> 00:03:14,993 and Sweet Amy Way. This is an application from Chase 40 00:03:15,033 --> 00:03:19,393 Murphy Enterprises. This petition will need to be tabled due 41 00:03:19,393 --> 00:03:25,553 to insufficient information having been received surrounding the details of 42 00:03:25,734 --> 00:03:29,593 a proposed residual lot without a means of access. So 43 00:03:30,854 --> 00:03:34,033 if a member would be so kind as to make 44 00:03:34,214 --> 00:03:36,745 a motion to table. I make a motion to table 45 00:03:37,246 --> 00:03:42,845 PC 26 - 26 until October 14, 2026. I'll second. 46 00:03:43,266 --> 00:03:46,732 All right. We have. A motion to table. We have 47 00:03:46,772 --> 00:03:50,185 a second. Those in favor, please indicate saying aye. Aye. 48 00:03:50,766 --> 00:03:54,067 Opposed. All right. That item will be tabled until next 49 00:03:54,107 --> 00:03:57,745 month's meeting on October 14th. With that, we'll move to 50 00:03:58,006 --> 00:04:02,305 item A. This is PC 26 - 25. It's a 51 00:04:02,726 --> 00:04:07,585 change of zone from agricultural to M2 heavy industry for 52 00:04:07,846 --> 00:04:11,105 property located on the north side of Charlestown Bethlehem Road. 53 00:04:11,623 --> 00:04:16,575 Extended west of Dave Carr Road. The applicant is Moser 54 00:04:17,236 --> 00:04:18,575 Crushstone ink. 55 00:04:30,677 --> 00:04:33,216 Please. State your name and address for us, please. My 56 00:04:33,317 --> 00:04:40,876 name is Winona Fosselman. The address is 15602. Charlestown Bethlehem 57 00:04:41,057 --> 00:04:44,782 Road in Charlestown. All right. Thank you. You want to 58 00:04:44,822 --> 00:04:48,542 tell us a little bit about this request? Yes. The 59 00:04:48,542 --> 00:04:52,302 original, the whole parcel is actually 72 and a half 60 00:04:52,403 --> 00:04:58,082 acres. I have looked through our archives. Cannot find a 61 00:04:58,103 --> 00:05:02,906 reason. Talk to Eric some and we can't, I don't 62 00:05:02,906 --> 00:05:06,346 know why. But about five acres was left out of 63 00:05:06,687 --> 00:05:11,363 the zoning back in the 90s. We need to be 64 00:05:11,403 --> 00:05:15,609 able to mine that. Along with the rest of the 65 00:05:15,870 --> 00:05:19,369 parcel. And so we're asking for the zoning change. 66 00:05:26,069 --> 00:05:28,048 Is there any questions from the commission on the nature 67 00:05:28,048 --> 00:05:31,204 of this report? So is that already being used. For 68 00:05:31,305 --> 00:05:36,804 commercial? The five acres. Yeah, man. Please. Five acres is 69 00:05:36,804 --> 00:05:40,084 in the same. Oh, so, okay. For some reason it's 70 00:05:40,084 --> 00:05:47,445 carved out. Strip that. Off. And mine that part. Gotcha. 71 00:05:47,546 --> 00:05:50,725 Okay. And you bought it in the 90 area when 72 00:05:50,725 --> 00:05:52,405 it was zoned in the 90s that just for some 73 00:05:52,405 --> 00:05:54,885 reason that piece was left out. Yeah. I don't know 74 00:05:55,146 --> 00:05:58,965 if that happened prior to us purchasing it or right 75 00:05:58,965 --> 00:06:03,025 around the same time as we purchased it. But, um, 76 00:06:03,626 --> 00:06:06,485 for whatever reason, that five acres, it's all part of 77 00:06:06,485 --> 00:06:08,965 that one parcel, but it was left out of the 78 00:06:08,965 --> 00:06:15,474 zoning. Any other questions for the applicant? No. All right. 79 00:06:15,474 --> 00:06:20,086 Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thank you. All right. 80 00:06:20,107 --> 00:06:22,566 With that, we will open public hearing on this item. 81 00:06:23,638 --> 00:06:27,057 Is there anyone here to speak for or against PC 82 00:06:27,318 --> 00:06:34,591 26 - 25. Right. Let the record reflect. No one 83 00:06:34,591 --> 00:06:37,635 has indicated they wish to speak. And with that, we 84 00:06:37,656 --> 00:06:45,727 will close public comment. On this item. Looks pretty straightforward. 85 00:06:45,727 --> 00:06:47,887 And any concerns kind of looks like it should have 86 00:06:47,887 --> 00:06:52,311 been done a lot of time ago. Right. I'll make 87 00:06:52,311 --> 00:06:56,390 a motion to approve PC 26 - 25. Change of 88 00:06:56,411 --> 00:07:00,502 zone from Ag to M2. For property located on a 89 00:07:00,502 --> 00:07:05,517 north side of Charlestown Bethlehem Road. Thank you, Mr. Whitington. 90 00:07:07,432 --> 00:07:11,171 I'll second. All right. Thank you, Mr. Glover. I have 91 00:07:11,192 --> 00:07:14,531 a motion to approve PC 26 - 25. And I 92 00:07:14,531 --> 00:07:17,276 have a second. We'll now vote with those in favor. 93 00:07:17,316 --> 00:07:22,759 Please indicate to sing aye. Aye. Opposed. Right. Motion carries. 94 00:07:24,976 --> 00:07:28,955 And we will move now to PC 26 - 27. 95 00:07:30,083 --> 00:07:32,702 This is a change of zone from M1 Light Industry. 96 00:07:33,895 --> 00:07:38,342 And R2 medium density residential. To a PUD or a 97 00:07:38,382 --> 00:07:41,302 planned unit development. This is for property located on the 98 00:07:41,403 --> 00:07:44,902 north side of Eastwater Street, which is state route 60. 99 00:07:44,902 --> 00:07:48,224 Between Walnut Street and East Main Street. Uh, in board 100 00:07:48,264 --> 00:07:51,024 in Indiana, the owner and the applicant is bored in 101 00:07:51,024 --> 00:07:55,743 business park, LLC. Hello. Hi. My name is Chandler Klein. 102 00:07:56,577 --> 00:08:00,724 My address is 2204 Pine Tree Lane Memphis, Indiana. All 103 00:08:00,724 --> 00:08:05,693 right. Thank you. Please tell us about your application. So 104 00:08:05,954 --> 00:08:08,333 last year, uh, at the end of the year, we 105 00:08:08,514 --> 00:08:12,598 gained a new tenant in our facility, Lamiflex. And they 106 00:08:12,598 --> 00:08:16,438 went to put up a new sign on the building. 107 00:08:16,438 --> 00:08:18,998 We discovered at that point that half of our building 108 00:08:19,179 --> 00:08:26,051 essentially is still zoned presidential. R2, I believe, way back 109 00:08:26,091 --> 00:08:28,896 when, when there were houses on it. Uh, so we 110 00:08:28,936 --> 00:08:32,636 have part of the building, uh, the west side. Is 111 00:08:32,676 --> 00:08:36,699 zoned M1. And you'll see the east side of the 112 00:08:36,699 --> 00:08:41,083 building. Is zoned R2. Um, we've never had an issue 113 00:08:41,104 --> 00:08:47,934 with it. Um, but we are trying to. Get all 114 00:08:47,974 --> 00:08:51,616 three parcels that are included in that. To just a 115 00:08:51,656 --> 00:08:56,876 cohesive zoning. And we have different things going on. Uh, 116 00:08:56,876 --> 00:09:00,896 we do have outside storage. We store semi trailers that 117 00:09:00,936 --> 00:09:03,880 are our tenants. And so we are just trying to 118 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,640 get the PV to make sure that we're in compliance 119 00:09:07,661 --> 00:09:08,120 with everything. 120 00:09:26,749 --> 00:09:29,288 Um, have you had any interaction with the town of 121 00:09:29,328 --> 00:09:32,568 Borden regarding this request at all? Oh, I got to 122 00:09:32,568 --> 00:09:35,048 the letter. Never mind. Yeah. We have. We've worked pretty 123 00:09:35,088 --> 00:09:37,048 closely with them and anything that we do around the 124 00:09:37,088 --> 00:09:38,808 building. We check with them to make sure it's okay. 125 00:09:39,147 --> 00:09:41,766 And, um, and yes, they did provide the letter of 126 00:09:41,787 --> 00:09:46,846 support for the PUT. And as you can see, there's 127 00:09:46,846 --> 00:09:49,806 not much land there left to build any more structures 128 00:09:50,067 --> 00:09:53,741 in the way the PUD set up. Existing footprint is 129 00:09:53,781 --> 00:09:56,181 what they would be limited to with the exception. It 130 00:09:56,181 --> 00:10:00,736 may be some awnings. Overdoor ways and loading docks, that 131 00:10:00,736 --> 00:10:06,952 type of thing. Just nothing enclosed. But they could. Sorry. 132 00:10:07,804 --> 00:10:10,343 They could demolish a structure and rebuild on that same 133 00:10:10,444 --> 00:10:13,223 footprint and maybe go higher if they wanted to. That 134 00:10:13,223 --> 00:10:15,363 was in one of the options in that PUD, but 135 00:10:15,884 --> 00:10:20,690 it's pretty comprehensive on what they presented. And I wouldn't 136 00:10:20,690 --> 00:10:24,330 see any problem administering that those rules. The way it's 137 00:10:24,351 --> 00:10:33,326 presented. Any comments or questions. I see the letter from 138 00:10:33,427 --> 00:10:36,206 the city is, I'm assuming the fire department is okay 139 00:10:36,246 --> 00:10:40,386 with the new tenants. Yeah. So we actually did a 140 00:10:40,407 --> 00:10:46,213 walkthrough with the fire marshal and Jason family. It's been, 141 00:10:46,213 --> 00:10:48,773 it may have been last year. And so what we 142 00:10:48,813 --> 00:10:52,373 did was we walked through the entire building, uh, showed 143 00:10:52,394 --> 00:10:55,953 them our fire partitions, all of our emergency exits, all 144 00:10:55,953 --> 00:10:58,773 the fire extinguishers. And we got the all clear from 145 00:10:59,354 --> 00:11:01,973 John Reed was the fire marshal that we worked with. 146 00:11:03,828 --> 00:11:09,334 Very good. Thank you. All right. Thank you very much. 147 00:11:09,915 --> 00:11:19,247 Thank you. We'll now open public comment. On this item. 148 00:11:20,333 --> 00:11:23,672 Is there anyone here to speak for against PC 26 149 00:11:23,773 --> 00:11:31,784 - 27. Right. Let the record reflect. No one's indicated 150 00:11:31,965 --> 00:11:39,052 a desire to speak. We'll now close public comment. Very 151 00:11:39,092 --> 00:11:41,452 similar to the last case. It really does. I think 152 00:11:41,452 --> 00:11:48,570 so. Agree. Yeah. I make a motion to approve PC 153 00:11:48,911 --> 00:11:54,338 26 - 27. Change of zone from M1 light industrial. 154 00:11:55,944 --> 00:12:01,123 And R2 medium density residential to PUD for property located 155 00:12:01,163 --> 00:12:04,795 on the north side. Of Eastwater Street between Walnut Street 156 00:12:04,795 --> 00:12:09,041 and East Main Street in Borden. Second. All right. Was 157 00:12:09,041 --> 00:12:12,501 that Mr. Spencer? Okay. I have a motion to approve 158 00:12:12,762 --> 00:12:15,781 for Mr. Whitington. I was second for Mr. Spencer. Those 159 00:12:15,821 --> 00:12:20,238 in favor. Please indicate for saying aye. Aye. Opposed. All 160 00:12:20,238 --> 00:12:26,393 right. Motion carries. Thank you all. Um, with that, we 161 00:12:26,414 --> 00:12:32,018 will move to. Reports resolutions and communications. Mr. King, anything 162 00:12:32,039 --> 00:12:38,709 from the legal. Perspective. No. Not for, not for this 163 00:12:38,730 --> 00:12:42,735 body. Um. Although I think Eric's going to talk about 164 00:12:42,735 --> 00:12:45,535 this in a minute, were you still looking for an 165 00:12:45,556 --> 00:12:47,615 alternative attorney to handle a case to which I have 166 00:12:47,796 --> 00:12:54,109 conflicted. He can address that more later. Um, briefly, this 167 00:12:54,109 --> 00:12:57,789 is more of a BZA issue. But the bright night 168 00:12:58,050 --> 00:13:01,195 litigation. The time has expired for a bright night to 169 00:13:01,216 --> 00:13:05,435 appeal the court's decision. They have not, my last communication 170 00:13:05,536 --> 00:13:08,315 with their attorney was they were trying to decide what 171 00:13:08,336 --> 00:13:11,675 they wanted to do next. So that's kind of in 172 00:13:11,675 --> 00:13:13,355 a holding pattern at this point. But I can go 173 00:13:13,456 --> 00:13:16,328 into more detail for the BZA members. At a later 174 00:13:16,368 --> 00:13:18,945 time. All right. Thank you, sir. I think I need 175 00:13:18,985 --> 00:13:21,825 to back up a little bit because I thought I 176 00:13:21,865 --> 00:13:24,305 heard that we talked about from reading the minutes of 177 00:13:24,326 --> 00:13:29,381 last month. There were some items revolving around driveway standards 178 00:13:29,642 --> 00:13:33,850 and some other conservation subdivision items. But I thought I 179 00:13:33,871 --> 00:13:36,410 read for the menace that we were recommending like an 180 00:13:36,410 --> 00:13:38,810 executive session to discuss those or is that something we 181 00:13:38,831 --> 00:13:40,330 want to talk through? Yeah, we were going to have 182 00:13:40,511 --> 00:13:43,690 a work session. Okay. Over those things. And that'll kind 183 00:13:43,690 --> 00:13:53,622 of fall into. My report. Okay. So with 184 00:13:53,662 --> 00:13:58,022 that, Mr. Wise, anything on the planning report. Okay. They 185 00:13:58,062 --> 00:14:02,902 search for alternative legal counsel. We contacted nine attorneys directly. 186 00:14:02,902 --> 00:14:08,138 I received three quotes. One from Mark Taffley. With a 187 00:14:08,178 --> 00:14:12,378 lime law for his sperm services. I guess he didn't 188 00:14:12,378 --> 00:14:16,869 want to commit to him specifically representing us. Gordon Engel 189 00:14:17,130 --> 00:14:21,938 and Cordon. For 350 dollars now. And Alex Gattis and 190 00:14:21,978 --> 00:14:25,639 New Albany for 300 dollars an hour. I also put 191 00:14:25,679 --> 00:14:30,347 in the newspaper for three alternating days. And then receive 192 00:14:30,368 --> 00:14:37,467 any response from the. News. So. This is the handle 193 00:14:37,488 --> 00:14:46,780 of appending litigation case. Yes. An enforcement case. I would 194 00:14:46,820 --> 00:14:50,879 suggest selecting one of these individuals and then. Allow the 195 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:53,439 president to sign a contract outside the meeting once Chris 196 00:14:53,460 --> 00:14:57,621 has a chance to review terms. I'd make a motion 197 00:14:57,722 --> 00:15:01,542 to, uh, consider Alex Gannis. Uh, he's got previous BZ 198 00:15:01,723 --> 00:15:03,602 experience. I've worked with him at the town of the 199 00:15:03,602 --> 00:15:06,002 Sellersburg when I sit on the BZA there. And, uh, 200 00:15:06,043 --> 00:15:08,902 seen him in court action as well under judge Cody 201 00:15:09,563 --> 00:15:15,105 and Floyd County. I'll second that with a comment. Um, 202 00:15:16,666 --> 00:15:21,508 on the. Maybe lose my train of thought where would. 203 00:15:22,106 --> 00:15:25,445 The, I'm assuming this money, does this going to have 204 00:15:25,445 --> 00:15:28,748 to be appropriated from the council. To spend the money 205 00:15:28,748 --> 00:15:30,908 on this? It would just come out of our normal 206 00:15:31,009 --> 00:15:34,508 litigation line item. Okay. But I do have an additional 207 00:15:34,548 --> 00:15:38,188 request in already for 17, 000 for legal fees just 208 00:15:38,188 --> 00:15:40,108 because of the bright nights cost of so much this 209 00:15:40,108 --> 00:15:44,028 year. Okay. So is this going to be included in 210 00:15:44,068 --> 00:15:47,388 that 17, 000 dollars? Okay. Do we have a not 211 00:15:47,428 --> 00:15:49,548 to exceed with Mr. Gattis or do we have just 212 00:15:49,588 --> 00:15:53,860 a ballpark? Just an hourly rate. Okay. Okay. That's all 213 00:15:53,881 --> 00:15:57,476 I've got. And if any run short, we should. Tell 214 00:15:57,476 --> 00:15:59,967 them. To put things off for a while till we 215 00:15:59,967 --> 00:16:02,207 get to the first of the year. But the way 216 00:16:02,228 --> 00:16:03,967 it's going on, I don't imagine we'll have too many 217 00:16:04,308 --> 00:16:09,991 expenses on that before. The end of the year. Okay. 218 00:16:09,991 --> 00:16:11,751 So I think the only thing that I would suggest 219 00:16:11,852 --> 00:16:14,071 is if we do sign the contractor, we put the 220 00:16:14,071 --> 00:16:16,711 contract. We need to make sure that it's, he understand 221 00:16:17,132 --> 00:16:22,071 it's pending a council approval and a council appropriation. There's 222 00:16:22,071 --> 00:16:25,831 currently order any services until we have funds to pay. 223 00:16:25,831 --> 00:16:28,871 And then we'll just make sure that we don't run 224 00:16:28,892 --> 00:16:31,431 out of money. Do you have anything on your agenda 225 00:16:31,431 --> 00:16:33,351 coming? West do you have pending in that account right 226 00:16:33,351 --> 00:16:36,791 now on that line item? It's out zero. Okay. Is 227 00:16:36,831 --> 00:16:40,609 it on the September agenda. For any additional preparations? We'll 228 00:16:40,609 --> 00:16:42,049 consider it next week. I was going to say that's 229 00:16:42,049 --> 00:16:46,129 good. I just saw the agenda a little while ago 230 00:16:46,169 --> 00:16:48,714 from Lindsay. So it should be fun. Yeah. I haven't 231 00:16:48,714 --> 00:16:50,826 heard. If it's, I haven't seen the agenda yet, but 232 00:16:50,826 --> 00:16:53,999 I mean my understanding it should be on there. Okay. 233 00:16:54,662 --> 00:16:56,321 You may want to check if not, you may want 234 00:16:56,342 --> 00:16:58,721 to. Well, I guess if it's an additional appropriation needs 235 00:16:58,721 --> 00:17:01,681 to be advertised and be put on. Yeah. Okay. I 236 00:17:01,721 --> 00:17:04,321 just did. I didn't know what the timeframe was as 237 00:17:04,342 --> 00:17:06,961 to when he needs to get started. Mr. Gaddis, if 238 00:17:07,001 --> 00:17:10,001 it's approved and how that's going to line up with 239 00:17:10,001 --> 00:17:13,001 the funds being available. So anyway, other than that, I 240 00:17:13,001 --> 00:17:16,517 don't have any questions. This require a formal vote to 241 00:17:16,618 --> 00:17:20,197 approve a contract signing. So it's allowed you to sign 242 00:17:20,218 --> 00:17:23,360 it after outside the meeting. So we have a motion 243 00:17:24,181 --> 00:17:27,040 for Mr. Fox to approve a contract with Alice Gattis. 244 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,480 We have a second for Mr. Glover. Those in favor, 245 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:35,671 please indicate for saying aye. Opposed. Question for you. Sure. 246 00:17:35,692 --> 00:17:39,010 This isn't done voted on by the BZA. It's voted 247 00:17:39,050 --> 00:17:43,743 on by us. This is an attorney for BZA issue, 248 00:17:43,743 --> 00:17:45,823 correct? Well, now this would be a plan commission issue. 249 00:17:45,844 --> 00:17:48,543 Okay. This is an enforcement. I just want to clarification. 250 00:17:48,543 --> 00:17:52,016 That's all. All right. So motion is approved. So we 251 00:17:52,016 --> 00:17:55,957 can proceed with that contract execution. Thank you so much. 252 00:17:57,130 --> 00:18:00,446 Anything else from planning. I sent out an amendment for 253 00:18:00,446 --> 00:18:04,989 the driveway separations for consideration. I don't know if anybody 254 00:18:05,170 --> 00:18:06,989 had any questions. If you want, I could run through 255 00:18:07,170 --> 00:18:11,951 those. I did go step by step with the county 256 00:18:11,991 --> 00:18:14,111 engineer. And he was in agreement with all these changes. 257 00:18:17,724 --> 00:18:19,543 And at this point I would just be looking to 258 00:18:19,564 --> 00:18:21,623 see if we would want to hold a public hearing 259 00:18:21,623 --> 00:18:28,025 on that. So yeah, I mean, I read over and 260 00:18:28,065 --> 00:18:31,785 it looks like just as it relates to development standards 261 00:18:31,785 --> 00:18:36,505 for commercial and industrial driveways, um, we're striking verbiage that 262 00:18:36,606 --> 00:18:39,785 they must be constructed in accordance with the industrial and 263 00:18:39,825 --> 00:18:43,465 business road standards outline in exhibit A minimum standard design 264 00:18:43,566 --> 00:18:48,187 requirements. And we're replacing that simply with at the discretion 265 00:18:48,227 --> 00:18:51,067 of the county engineer. They may also be required to 266 00:18:51,107 --> 00:18:54,267 be constructed in accordance with the industrial and business road 267 00:18:54,307 --> 00:18:58,171 standards is outline and exhibit A. Mineral standard design require 268 00:18:58,352 --> 00:19:00,571 race. Right. You know, we did the same thing with 269 00:19:01,312 --> 00:19:05,771 institutional uses several years ago. And I imagine that you 270 00:19:05,771 --> 00:19:07,691 probably had a church or something that came in and 271 00:19:07,712 --> 00:19:10,491 got hit with these industrial road standards as part of 272 00:19:10,491 --> 00:19:17,010 their bailing permit. So, um. It seemed a little excessive 273 00:19:17,031 --> 00:19:21,886 to me. For private property. They're private driveways dictate how 274 00:19:21,926 --> 00:19:22,766 they're going to pave those. 275 00:19:33,754 --> 00:19:37,224 Yeah, no, I tend to agree on private property. Anybody 276 00:19:37,224 --> 00:19:41,501 else have an opinion here on the commission. I'm with 277 00:19:41,541 --> 00:19:49,529 you on that for sure. Anybody opposed to. Putting this 278 00:19:49,529 --> 00:19:53,995 out as a hearing item for a considered change. I. 279 00:19:54,445 --> 00:19:57,864 Don't know. This is only applicable to subdivisions with 20 280 00:19:57,885 --> 00:20:00,744 mile an hour speed limits. Is that kind of right. 281 00:20:00,744 --> 00:20:02,424 It kind of moves where we measure the separation from 282 00:20:02,925 --> 00:20:06,264 which they thought that was more appropriate from the inner, 283 00:20:06,264 --> 00:20:09,571 the center of the paved area. And when we started 284 00:20:09,672 --> 00:20:13,011 doing that, the distance is basically the same. And we 285 00:20:13,032 --> 00:20:15,491 reduced it. So it would remain the same because you're 286 00:20:15,491 --> 00:20:18,684 adding. Footage to it because you're going to the center 287 00:20:18,724 --> 00:20:20,204 of the road. You can feed more to where you're 288 00:20:20,204 --> 00:20:23,731 measuring from. So it worked out better. And it also 289 00:20:23,912 --> 00:20:27,322 built in that. Pop off valve that the county engineer 290 00:20:27,362 --> 00:20:31,082 could approve something less than that, which to me is 291 00:20:31,122 --> 00:20:33,482 more appropriate for him to be looking at it than 292 00:20:33,503 --> 00:20:37,421 the BZA. Just looking at it. So do you need 293 00:20:37,442 --> 00:20:39,461 a motion here, Larry? Or are you just going to 294 00:20:40,562 --> 00:20:43,261 think so? It's a consensus. I can set it for 295 00:20:43,282 --> 00:20:45,341 public hearing and we can just have hearing next month. 296 00:20:45,792 --> 00:20:47,931 It would just be a text amendment, correct? Yes. Yeah. 297 00:20:49,032 --> 00:20:51,411 Yeah. Which we would vote on after the notice of 298 00:20:51,451 --> 00:20:58,072 the hearing. Sure. Right. Okay. Okay. Next I've got, uh, 299 00:20:58,072 --> 00:20:59,452 we're going to have to have a hearing to review 300 00:20:59,633 --> 00:21:04,640 the UDO. From the perspective of trying to reduce barriers 301 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,803 to increase housing development in the county. Um, we're supposed 302 00:21:07,803 --> 00:21:09,723 to have this done by the end of the year. 303 00:21:09,723 --> 00:21:12,043 And we're also supposed to report what kind of amendments 304 00:21:12,144 --> 00:21:14,763 or changes that we're working on or actually make by 305 00:21:14,803 --> 00:21:18,501 the end of the year. Uh, by January one. So 306 00:21:18,541 --> 00:21:21,508 I thought we could have that hearing. At the next 307 00:21:21,508 --> 00:21:26,476 meeting. And then kind of preparation for that. I've got 308 00:21:26,497 --> 00:21:30,556 a handout on some just general ideas of things that 309 00:21:30,596 --> 00:21:33,196 I think that might be worth looking at on making 310 00:21:33,236 --> 00:21:35,916 changes. So we'll have something to discuss at that meeting. 311 00:21:37,421 --> 00:21:39,400 If we do have it next month, I would like 312 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,360 to have like a work session on the 23rd so 313 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:45,355 we could kind of get. Into some more specific so 314 00:21:45,395 --> 00:21:50,235 that we can actually possibly after this hearing set some 315 00:21:50,235 --> 00:21:53,934 amendments for hearing. The following month. Um, so I didn't 316 00:21:53,974 --> 00:21:55,854 know if it might be possible to have a work 317 00:21:55,894 --> 00:22:01,786 session on September 23rd. And October 20th. This is a 318 00:22:01,967 --> 00:22:07,066 state directive? Yes. So the state says you have to, 319 00:22:07,066 --> 00:22:09,546 I guess you have to review your UDO. And if 320 00:22:09,586 --> 00:22:11,866 there is any barriers to housing, you need to reduce 321 00:22:11,967 --> 00:22:15,146 those. There's not a directive that you absolutely have to. 322 00:22:15,146 --> 00:22:19,546 You don't have to. Okay. But these are some options 323 00:22:19,887 --> 00:22:22,826 that you look at, you know, the bound to be 324 00:22:22,826 --> 00:22:25,946 something that you can do to make things easier to 325 00:22:25,946 --> 00:22:28,976 build homes. And I would think it would be in 326 00:22:28,976 --> 00:22:32,416 our, I'm not sure even what the ramifications would be. 327 00:22:32,416 --> 00:22:34,336 And then if we didn't do this, are we not 328 00:22:34,357 --> 00:22:38,576 building enough homes? Fuck yeah. I mean, I just think 329 00:22:38,597 --> 00:22:41,296 I have slowed down a lot. Interesting. Okay. The last 330 00:22:41,296 --> 00:22:42,976 couple months, but I don't know if there's that much 331 00:22:42,976 --> 00:22:46,976 that we're doing that's causing it. Right. Okay. But at 332 00:22:46,976 --> 00:22:50,014 the state level, that's what they're hearing. And they want 333 00:22:50,014 --> 00:22:53,328 to see. Some reductions and rules. Okay. Or they're going 334 00:22:53,328 --> 00:22:57,888 to start handing down reductions from above. So are these 335 00:22:58,069 --> 00:23:01,248 barriers that you have listed here? Did you find these 336 00:23:01,269 --> 00:23:05,728 when you compared our UDO to other municipalities? I'm just 337 00:23:05,728 --> 00:23:08,528 thinking of things that may be a little more restricted 338 00:23:08,629 --> 00:23:11,248 than they need to be. Okay. Like, you know, develop 339 00:23:11,288 --> 00:23:15,003 my plans for apartment complexes. You know, that builds in 340 00:23:15,043 --> 00:23:18,177 like another two month period. And all that addicts traditional 341 00:23:18,198 --> 00:23:20,577 expense going through that process. And then they still have 342 00:23:20,577 --> 00:23:23,057 to go through and do the building permit. And we 343 00:23:23,097 --> 00:23:28,560 basically do the review. Again. And like I said, these 344 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,880 are just ideas. I figured if the work session on 345 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,096 the 23rd, we could get deeper into everything. And discuss 346 00:23:35,136 --> 00:23:38,710 the pros and cons. And once I get that direction 347 00:23:38,971 --> 00:23:41,350 before that hearing, I could even come up with possible. 348 00:23:42,082 --> 00:23:48,613 Specific amendments like I did for the tripod. Standards. Me 349 00:23:48,653 --> 00:23:51,173 personally, I was just, I'm not against any of these 350 00:23:51,274 --> 00:23:53,333 that I see listed here. I would just like to 351 00:23:53,333 --> 00:23:56,693 see if there's anywhere that we could say we did 352 00:23:56,733 --> 00:24:00,853 a research in Park County, Indiana. And we found the 353 00:24:00,893 --> 00:24:04,453 same verbiage there that allows single family and all zones 354 00:24:04,493 --> 00:24:09,177 except M3. At least then we have a good, we 355 00:24:09,678 --> 00:24:13,017 have good historical data that it's a good portion or 356 00:24:13,057 --> 00:24:15,497 a good change to argue rather than going out on 357 00:24:15,518 --> 00:24:17,097 a limb and saying, we're going to try this and 358 00:24:17,097 --> 00:24:19,257 find out that it doesn't work or that doesn't have 359 00:24:19,257 --> 00:24:21,897 any ramifications at all. So if we could find ways 360 00:24:21,937 --> 00:24:24,697 to see that there's a historical data. I'm like on 361 00:24:24,737 --> 00:24:27,577 that one. We run into that here already. The BCA 362 00:24:27,918 --> 00:24:31,337 here's countless cases on people. Well, we hear it changing 363 00:24:31,358 --> 00:24:34,917 the zoning from B3 to R whatever. Because, you know, 364 00:24:35,038 --> 00:24:37,337 they changed the ordinance from the UDO was adopted. They 365 00:24:37,337 --> 00:24:40,577 removed single family from most all the commercial zones. So 366 00:24:40,577 --> 00:24:42,617 this would just kind of be going back to where 367 00:24:42,617 --> 00:24:47,684 they used to be. But yeah, once we kind of 368 00:24:47,684 --> 00:24:50,204 narrow it down on things we want to focus on, 369 00:24:50,204 --> 00:24:52,764 then, you know, I had no problem doing that research. 370 00:24:52,865 --> 00:24:55,644 And we may find that, you know, we may not 371 00:24:55,644 --> 00:24:58,124 find the data out there, but at least we've surfed 372 00:24:58,145 --> 00:25:00,684 and looked. And before we run into a pitfall ourselves, 373 00:25:00,684 --> 00:25:02,764 we can see that it's worked in another plan. Sure. 374 00:25:02,804 --> 00:25:08,823 Okay. So these will be ones that we want to 375 00:25:08,823 --> 00:25:14,722 discuss on September 23rd. Narrow this list down or run 376 00:25:14,762 --> 00:25:16,962 with this entire list. And then meet again on the 377 00:25:16,983 --> 00:25:19,762 20th. We could probably, if we, depending on how it 378 00:25:19,802 --> 00:25:22,672 goes, we could even. Pull more things off the shelf 379 00:25:22,853 --> 00:25:25,072 that we've kind of just gotten out there waiting for 380 00:25:25,173 --> 00:25:27,872 a work session. But, uh, we won't really focus on 381 00:25:28,053 --> 00:25:34,367 housing at this point. Though. And Eric, concurrently with that, 382 00:25:34,367 --> 00:25:39,981 we're still. We have someone that's doing the housing survey. 383 00:25:39,981 --> 00:25:43,128 That's correct. Yeah. So. I'm supposed to meet with them 384 00:25:43,128 --> 00:25:46,721 later this month. Go everything he's come up with so 385 00:25:46,721 --> 00:25:51,839 far. And the state's finally putting out guidance. They've extended 386 00:25:51,879 --> 00:25:54,799 the deadline till the end of January. I guess they 387 00:25:54,820 --> 00:25:59,399 realized that any report on 26 on January 1, if 388 00:25:59,399 --> 00:26:01,414 you don't have a little bit. Time to pull everything 389 00:26:01,435 --> 00:26:06,602 together. So, but that should come together, no problem. Do 390 00:26:06,642 --> 00:26:10,522 these work sessions have to be advertised and streamlined? You 391 00:26:10,522 --> 00:26:13,082 just notice. No, we just notes the paper that we 392 00:26:13,122 --> 00:26:15,331 have enough. Cause I know this room will be tied 393 00:26:15,371 --> 00:26:18,411 up on the 23rd at five o'clock. Cause there'll be 394 00:26:18,411 --> 00:26:20,891 a solid waste meeting. So I didn't see it. I 395 00:26:20,891 --> 00:26:23,551 don't account. There. But we got my office depending on 396 00:26:23,591 --> 00:26:28,271 how much participation we have. And the break room upstairs. 397 00:26:28,271 --> 00:26:29,711 Sabrina's out of town. I didn't know if you're a 398 00:26:29,711 --> 00:26:32,671 little conference room. Might be available. We might have used 399 00:26:32,852 --> 00:26:36,031 the commissioner's conference room. That meeting the solid waste shouldn't 400 00:26:36,071 --> 00:26:40,588 last. Half hour. But I mean, what time do they 401 00:26:40,628 --> 00:26:43,738 start five o'clock. So I don't know. But I would 402 00:26:43,738 --> 00:26:45,318 say the conference room is probably better because we can 403 00:26:45,318 --> 00:26:46,998 all sit around a table and it's a little bit 404 00:26:46,998 --> 00:26:53,336 more, you know, small later time. Oh, that's right. Yeah. 405 00:26:53,336 --> 00:26:59,910 Cause that has, I mean. If everybody hears good with 406 00:27:00,011 --> 00:27:02,070 five, that's, that's, that's fine with me. I can leave 407 00:27:02,571 --> 00:27:05,510 once that meeting is over at 5 30 ish. I'll 408 00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:08,230 just come up to the commissioners meeting room and join 409 00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:10,390 them. At least then y'all have most of it pare 410 00:27:10,430 --> 00:27:13,379 down. So we're having two meetings. Is that right? Two 411 00:27:13,419 --> 00:27:15,219 million. Yeah. I won't be able to make the 20th, 412 00:27:15,219 --> 00:27:18,659 but I'll make the 23rd. I can't make the 23rd, 413 00:27:18,659 --> 00:27:24,142 but I can make the 20th. As long as we've 414 00:27:24,142 --> 00:27:26,782 got a couple people that's been all out there, you 415 00:27:26,782 --> 00:27:30,782 know, I'm good. October 20th, I can make it. Yeah. 416 00:27:34,247 --> 00:27:36,866 Unfortunately, I'm going to be back in country. So I 417 00:27:36,866 --> 00:27:39,075 guess I'll be here. I can try sending out one 418 00:27:39,075 --> 00:27:41,875 of those survey poles and let everybody just chime in 419 00:27:41,915 --> 00:27:44,742 on that. And that way we can. Like I said, 420 00:27:44,742 --> 00:27:46,879 as long as we have two or three people. I 421 00:27:46,879 --> 00:27:53,189 would be satisfied just to bounce off some ideas. Report. 422 00:27:53,144 --> 00:27:59,355 Back to everybody. In case the. Stop signs. That you 423 00:27:59,395 --> 00:28:04,893 see for what direction we're going. Go ahead and plan 424 00:28:04,933 --> 00:28:13,189 on that. Five o'clock. I'll send out an email. Reminder. 425 00:28:14,775 --> 00:28:17,754 Uh, last item I've got is the November meeting. We 426 00:28:17,754 --> 00:28:21,394 just noticed this day kind of just popped up as 427 00:28:21,495 --> 00:28:23,844 probably something we should remind you. Is it going to 428 00:28:23,844 --> 00:28:26,764 be on a Tuesday, November 10th? Because of veterans day. 429 00:28:29,103 --> 00:28:31,730 And. We're probably going to send out a text tomorrow 430 00:28:31,911 --> 00:28:34,290 just so you'll be where your calendars are. So you 431 00:28:34,290 --> 00:28:37,132 sure mark that down and make sure. You note that 432 00:28:37,153 --> 00:28:46,689 date change. What day's election day. Thirt, third. Okay. First 433 00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:51,687 Tuesday. All right, is that all? That'd be fun. Take 434 00:28:51,687 --> 00:28:55,591 that. I'll do that. All right. Thank you, Mr. Wise. 435 00:28:57,609 --> 00:29:01,108 Last order of business would be, um, a review and 436 00:29:01,148 --> 00:29:06,492 approval of last month's meeting minutes. To make a motion 437 00:29:06,532 --> 00:29:10,092 to approve a month of August. Clark County Plain Commission 438 00:29:10,113 --> 00:29:13,590 meeting minutes. I'll second that. All right. Thank you Mr. 439 00:29:13,630 --> 00:29:16,070 Fox. I have a motion to approve. Mr. Weddington for 440 00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:18,470 a second. Those in favor. Please indicate to saying aye. 441 00:29:18,731 --> 00:29:26,666 Aye. Opposed. Quite minutes are approved. I guess that wasn't 442 00:29:26,706 --> 00:29:29,946 the last order of business. Let me go. Make a 443 00:29:29,946 --> 00:29:35,994 motion to adjourn. Second name and the third. Yes. All 444 00:29:35,994 --> 00:29:38,394 right. Got a motion to approve a tournament and I 445 00:29:38,394 --> 00:29:41,594 have a second. Those in favor end cape saying aye. 446 00:29:42,895 --> 00:29:45,114 Opposed. All right. Meeting is adjourned. Thank you all so 447 00:29:45,114 --> 00:29:49,258 much. It is.