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The June 17, 2025 special session of the Clarksville City Council is now called to order. Pastor

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Cal Hampton, with second-mile church, will be our chaplain of the day. Councilman Streetman

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will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. Ladies and gentlemen, I invite you to stand

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if you wish and Pastor Cal.

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Let us pray. Father, this is the day that you have made, and we rejoice

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and we're glad in it. Every day we get is a gift from you, Father. Help us to make the most

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of whatever this day holds for us for your honor and praise and glory. I want to just

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Father, before we ask you for anything, we want to thank you for everything. You've

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been so, so good to us. As my brother Pastor Jimmeter, I used to say, Clarksville is a great

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place to live. I want to thank you for our city and our county. Lord, the whole world, it

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It seems as come into clerks for these days.

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And with growth is a good thing, and I believe you're going to make this a great city of hope

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for all of its citizens.

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I want to also thank you, Lord, for the City Council and all of our government officials

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and workers and servants.

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They do such a fantastic job for us.

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We're just so grateful for them and Mayor Pitts and his bride Cynthia and thank you, Lord,

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for all the leadership that you provided, but Father with growth comes problems. And you're

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the giver of every good and perfect gift which comes down from above and we have not because

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we asked not to script your says so I pray God that you would give everyone of us wisdom, wisdom

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from heaven. We need your wisdom God to do what's best for our entire city and county and I just

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pray that every problem would be a small problem in God that you would give us the solutions for the

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things that we need to make this a better place to live. Thank you so much God for all the work

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and the effort that's gone in by every one of these dear people here. And I pray that you

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would anoint them and bless them in the great big name of our Savior. It's in Jesus of Nazareth,

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name we pray, amen.

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States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, individual with liberty and justice for all.

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Members, please register your attendance.

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Madam Clerk, take the roll, please.

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All members are present with the exception of Councilman Chandler.

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Could we get the screens fixed?

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I might need that later. All right.

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Okay, next item on our agenda is the consent agenda. Madam Clerk, will you read the lengthy consent agenda?

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Ordnance 82, 2024, 25, second reading and ordinance rescheduling the July 2025 regular session meeting of the City Council.

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Thank you Madam Clerk, I'll entertain a motion.

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Motion been made and properly seconded in favor of the consent agenda.

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Anybody wish to be recognized on the consent agenda?

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Seeing none, hearing none, are you ready to vote? All members, please cast your vote.

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Every member voted, any member wish to change their vote? Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

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12 yes, 0 no, 0 abstain.

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The consent agenda is adopted.

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All right, members, we're now getting into the budget ordinances first reading.

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We'll take them one at a time, obviously, and the first one is item A, ordinance 91, 2024, 25,

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an ordinance amending the operating capital budgets for fiscal year 2024, 25, adopting

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the operating and capital budgets for fiscal year 2025, 26, for CDE light ban, I'll entertain

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a motion.

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Motion been made and properly seconded in favor of Ordnance 91. Anyone wish to be recognized

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on Ordnance 91? Hearing none, seeing none, are you ready to vote all members? Please

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cast your vote. Every member voted. Any member wish to change their vote? Madam Clerk,

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please take the vote. 12 yes, zero no, zero abstain. Ordnance 91 passes for

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First reading, next item is item B, ordinance 92, 2024-25, an ordinance amending the 2024-25

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budget and approving the 2025-26 annual action plan and budget and authorizing applications

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for community development, block grant and home investment, partnership funds, as well as

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other programs.

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I'll entertain a motion.

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Motion be made and properly seconded in favor of ordinance 92.

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Any comment or question from Council regarding ordinance 92?

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Hearing none, seeing none, are you ready to vote?

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All members, please cast your vote.

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Every member voted.

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Any member wish to change their vote?

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Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

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Ordnance 92 passes for a trading.

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Now ready for item C. Ordnance 93, 2024, 25.

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And ordnance amending the operating in capital budgets for fiscal year 2024, 25.

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And adopting the operating in capital budgets for fiscal year 2526.

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for the Clarksville Gas and Water Department on Entertainer Motion. Motion been made

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and properly seconded in favor of Ordinance 93. Any member wish to be

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recognized on Ordinance 93? Councilman McLaughlin, you're recognized on Ordinance 93.

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Thank you, Mayor. If there's no objection, Mr. Riggins would like to come forward and

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explain the stormwater utility process. Okay, without objection, Mr. Riggins.

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recognized, sir. Good evening, Mayor Counsel. Due to the apparent issue,

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was stormwater throughout the city, most different areas.

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Through many conversations with our department,

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street department, the mayor's office, and beyond,

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we felt the need to at least study the possible need

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to create a stormwater utility.

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It was discussed about where that would be best residing,

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was all sitting done in comparison with other utilities

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and other cities of our size throughout Tennessee

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and beyond who have stormwater utilities, they usually reside with the utility like myself

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that has either water and or sewer.

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And so with that, as you can see in our budget, we've proposed two things.

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We've had a million dollars in the budget for a stormwater study.

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The reason we put that amount in there, as you also know, we are currently in the process

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of having a study performed for a reuse study to do with sewer up toward the industrial

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in that area. And that study is a year long and a half a million dollars. And that's

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not creating a whole new utility. So this one, we just budgeted double the amount. We think

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it will take at least a year to perform that study. We have been looking in the meantime

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currently summers, our grants analysts looking into what kind of grant funds are out there

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and available. We do know already that art funds are not available. We've heard that back

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from the state. They're not taking any new applicants only to look to provide additional

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funds for existing applications. We are researching other grant options. If there's no viable

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option, we do have a list of a couple, one main one but a couple of consulting engineers

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that we could partner with in professional services agreement. Like one, for instance, does

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Metro's. WSP does Metro's. They've been with them for over 30 years. They actually created

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their storm water division, the rate structure and everything. So we've got plenty to choose from

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there. Also in the budget we have a position for a storm water operation division manager,

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the reason for that is I'm hoping to be able to get an expert in that field on staff and they can

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help us drive that study. We know what we know, we don't know what we don't know, but get an expert

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in house, a resident expert, and let them drive that study, see what we actually need,

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make sure we're hitting all the parameters of this study.

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So the fundamental topics of the study, as you can imagine, would be to survey inventory

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and assess the existing infrastructure, whether that be ditched, miles of ditched, miles

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of pipe, injection wells, things of the tension basins, things of that nature, what the condition

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they are, whether they're public versus private, whether the private ones spill over into, whether

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Whether they, some of the private, whether they should be public or not, that will be looked

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into need for replacement, expansion, or simply for new capital improvement projects where

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there's existing issues.

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Will also be, the study will be reviewing existing records, permits, FEMA flood maps, easements,

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things of that nature, another piece that we'll be looking into.

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I don't know if this will be included in the study or if it would be something that comes later,

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but also modeling the capacity of the infrastructure and the functionality.

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We have that in gas water and sewer now, again, I'm not sure if that's something that will come with the study or after, but we'll be asking the consultant and this expert for that.

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After reviewing all of those and the existing issues we have will come up, this study will also help us identify short term midterm and long term capital improvement projects for what needs to do to take care of the city.

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And then with all that, of course, we'll form, part of this will be form a master plan

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for maintenance of existing, the capital projects altogether, replacement of existing

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or new projects.

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It'll also help us address and define the responsibilities and duties that will shift

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under our preview from the street department.

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And I want to stop there and make sure I say this.

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What we're planning on doing, there's no negative tone or connotation to the street department.

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This is something we see as moving forward, it's a situation to where without a dedicated

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funding source, I don't, in my opinion, from what I've seen in other places and what

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we've looked at, I don't know that they'll ever have the means to do what needs to be done

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without a dedicated funding source, which this will come up with.

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And we've made sure to pass an information along to the employees there as well.

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This is nothing negative toward the street department or anything they've done in the past.

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So with that, and changing those responsibilities, we'll look at us taking on the grading and

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drainage plan review, coordination with the planning commission, inspection on public and

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possibly private as well. As we know, there's plenty of private injection wells throughout

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the city. And it may be possible that the city would need to take on the inspection of those.

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At least so we can give those owners a report. Here's what, you know, if there's something wrong,

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you're either clear and good to go, or here's what's wrong, here's some options on what to do to fix this,

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remedy this situation, and possibly even here's a list of contractors if they ask and need to know

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who do this type of work. We wouldn't tell them who they have to use, but that's a possibility.

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Taken over the storm water related GIS management, storm water management, manual, water quality

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erosion control manuals, things like that, including the updates for current and upcoming standards,

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periods, creation or updating current policy specification, transference of the MS-4 permit

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and any other TDEC coordination.

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And then also we'll look at part of this would be what staff is it going to take to take

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care of all this that the study has come up with, and then what equipment is going to take

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to require to run that.

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And the staff recruitment will be one of the main parts that we'll have the most influence

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we're within the study and that's how we handle that recruitment after the

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fact. In discussions with Mayor and David Smith and myself and this is also what

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we've made sure to talk to the entire Street Department workforce about is

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how we're going to handle that moving forward and by that what I mean is and we

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met with them on June the 3rd just to make sure they knew where we were headed by

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that I mean if this study says you need 30 employees to take care of what the

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cities needs is we would we would create job descriptions in post overtime 30

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positions we're not talk but what we're want to make sure is is everybody

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understands we're not talking about anybody losing their job we're not talking

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about forcing anybody to move from the street department over to gas and water

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it would be posting jobs that they can apply for and if they're the most

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qualified they'll be hired and what we believe that will do is right now the

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street department I know I don't know how many numbers how many they have

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right now would say it's around a hundred. I know when I was over there for that short

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time is interim I was shocked to find out they had 96 employees. They don't have enough.

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And as long as they're a part of the pie of all the tax base, I don't think they'll ever

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have enough to keep up. So what this will do, but letting them keep their number of employees

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and let us take the storm water part away and hire our own, now they'll be fully staffed.

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They can take those positions to reform those. They'll be fully staffed for the first time

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them in decades. First time since I've been around, I can tell you that much. And that's

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how that will be taken care of right there. And then another part of that, just to ensure

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the city employees have the first shot, our plan would be to post those city, we have

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options when we post a job, whether we do it externally, city only or department only.

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We would post those city only first, so those at the street department or any other city

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department who possibly want to apply for that job, they would have the first shot at it

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before somebody out in the public.

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And then after that, if we're not full at that point, then we would go out to the public

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to feel those positions.

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Then after all that tied together, we would look at finding a piece of property, hopefully

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on the north side of town, that way we could do a building, a capital improvement project

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for a building, for offices, a shop, a warehouse, lay down yard, this is something

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gas and water has been talking about for the future, anyway, doing something on the

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north side of town, whether that's in the Dover Road area, anywhere between there

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and say the industrial park, we make, could have some talks with the IDV or the

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DC about some different properties for that. Like I said, it's something that we

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would need to expand our workforce at some time in the future, if this is something

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we take on within the next couple of years, perfect opportunity to solve all those

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issues at one time and then we could send some of our forces over there and do a good mix

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of those but I want to be clear we cannot house another division on the existing property

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that we have right now and then finally once you take all that into the account the last piece

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of the study would be taking all that into account to form a race structure and what we've seen

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so far for examples with like Metro and Chattanooga and other places.

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As they have a rate structure where every parcel in the city, they pay a rate for stormwater beauty,

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for stormwater service. And with that would look like usually there's a minute, a tiered structure

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with a minimum and then a maximum. And most of the time it's based on impervious square footage,

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you know, how much of their area is under rooftop, how much of it is paved, and things like that.

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and until the study that's what our plans for the study are until we hire that

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expert and get this study going that's about all I have for the I'm happy to

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answer any questions anyone may have about it. Okay thank you mr. Riggins any

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questions for mr. Riggins saying none thank you sir okay thank you all right all

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right any other questions regarding ordinance 93 saying none hearing none are you

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ready to vote all members please cast your vote every member voted any member

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We're always to change their vote. Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

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12 yes, zero no, zeroed thing.

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Ordnance 93 passes for a reading.

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We're now ready for item D. Ordnance 94, 2024, 25.

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In ordnance, amending the fiscal year 2024, 25 budget,

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adopting the operating budget for fiscal year 2025, 26.

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For the internal service funds, I'll entertain a motion.

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Motion been made and properly seconded in favor of ordnance 94.

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Any comment or question regarding ordnance 94?

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Seeing on hearing none are you ready to vote all members please cast your vote.

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Every member voted, any member wish to change their vote? Madam Clerk please take the vote.

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12 yes, zero no, zero abstain.

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Or does 94 passes first reading?

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Now ready for item E, ordinance 95, 2024, 25.

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In ordinance amending fiscal year 2024, 25 budget.

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In establishing the operating budget for fiscal year 2025, 26 for the Clarksville Parking Commission.

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a proprietary fund. I'll entertain a motion. Motion been made and properly

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seconded in favor of ordinance 95. Councilman McLaughlin, you're recognized.

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I have an amendment for this budget. It's in your stack of many amendments by

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various people. It is on the far left hand side. It says, we find it our

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I'd like to propose an amendment to eliminate the new position of parking enforcement officer in the amount of $56,620.

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Most have been made and properly seconded this $53,000 according to my.

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Yeah, sorry. It's what mine says.

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Okay. I got you. All right. Do you recognize for an explanation?

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I think by our conditioners drying out my contact with you sorry

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So the reasoning behind this is that I'm during the rewrite discussions of the two parking ordinances the ones that law enforcement will enforce and the ones at the parking

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Authority or commission will enforce

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There was discussion about

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What is illegal would be enforced by the police department?

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So the reason for adding this position

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in our budget document was to enforce a legal parking.

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And a legal parking, true legal parking,

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is enforced by laws which would be conducted

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by the police department.

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So that's my supporting reason

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for eliminating this new position.

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Okay, you've heard the explanation,

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any comment or question regarding this?

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Councilman Smith, you're recognized?

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Yeah, thank you, Mayor.

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I thought that the parking employees or workers

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still enforce illegal parking by giving tickets because I know when I was on the

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parking commission we voted when there was illegal parking and we made the

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decision at that time whether they should pay the fine or or not the committee

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did so I don't see why we need to do this a decrease of this information I hear

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what you said but I just don't agree with that. Thank you Mayor. Thank you.

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Councilman McLaughlin, you're recognized.

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For clarification, the legal parking

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is blocking the fire hydrant, blocking traffic,

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blocking the intersection.

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It's not the enforcement of the fines

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or fees on parking, meters or meter parking.

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Okay, Councilman Shikina, you're recognized.

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Yes, Mayor, thank you.

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Is there any way we can call up the parking commission,

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Michael to explain his need for this position

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or his lack of need for this position?

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Okay. Any objection to Mr. Palmore? Yeah, there you are. Just looking.

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Okay. Councilman

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Chicanam, you're recognizing. Thank you, Mayor. Sir, reference this proposed reduction

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in the budget for the Parking Commission. What is do you feel that we need this position

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or we no longer need this position? I know there's been a lot of conversation going back

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I can for as to whether the Park Commission is going to, you know, somehow work with the

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CPD to turn this stuff over to them.

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Can you elaborate on that a little bit?

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I can.

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And, um, Carlson, Councillor McLaughlin is correct when we talked about, um, as we move forward,

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we're looking at having CPD kind of take over some of this illegal parking, especially

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for NYSA, have a presence in the downtown.

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Now, um, I do agree that if we decide to move in this direction, which the code is not

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completely complete yet. We still have some conversations we had. If that is

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direction then I do agree then this position is probably not needed for now.

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Another kind of piece of this is that this night enforcement person would

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also be overseeing any event parking. So when we get into the side of events when

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which is part of the rewrite, this person could also then oversee the lots of

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things that people are required to pay. So but of right now I do agree that during

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to rewrite it. It's not needed. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mayor. That's all that.

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Okay. Councilman Smith for Mr. Palmore or for the sponsor. Yes, sir. What are you saying?

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We need this position or we don't. As of now, no, if the code is approved the way, yeah.

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We don't need it right now. Okay. And how would it affect you decreasing your funds?

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It won't affect because we're currently not doing that enforcement. So it was an additional

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enforcement to the department. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any other

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commoner question for Mr. Palmore. Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. Palmer is a

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Palmer. Palmer. Yeah. All right. Any more commoner question regarding this

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amendment? Seeing none, hearing none, are you ready to vote? All members please

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cast your vote.

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Every member voted. Any member wished to change their vote?

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Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

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11 yes, 1 no, 0 abstain.

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Amendment 1 is adopted.

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Any other amendments from any member?

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Seeing none, hearing none?

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Are you ready to vote on the ordinance as amended?

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All members, please cast your vote.

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Any member voted, any member wish to change their vote?

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Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

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11 yes, 1 no, 0 abstain.

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Ordinance 95 passes for a treaty.

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We're now ready for item F. Ordinance 96, 2024-25,

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an ordinance amending the operating in capital budgets

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for fiscal year 2024-25,

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and adopting the operating in capital budgets

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for fiscal year 2025-26 for the Clarksville Transit System.

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I'll entertain a motion.

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Motion been made and properly seconded in favor

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of Ordinance 96.

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Any comment or question regarding Ordinance 96

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Councilman McLaughlin, you're recognized.

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Okay, back in my stack, and this will affect a couple of budgets.

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We have, in a budget, it talks about that we will pay $1,080 for each employee to have

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access to the employee health clinic.

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Yet, we have employees that have opted out of employee-provided health insurance.

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a survey was done by the HR department.

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Sometime probably during the renewal period,

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that's the asking employees if they would like to have access to the employee health clinic or not.

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And so, the difference between who said that it would like to have access to the employee health clinic

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and who doesn't have the city-provided health insurance is a handful of people.

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And I have that, I don't know, did you find the amendment?

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Okay, so for Clarksville Transit, I'm sorry, yeah, Clarksville Transit is one employee, so

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the reduction of the $1,080, they have 16 who are enrolled in health insurance and one

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is opted out of the clinic.

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So just trying to understand, and I know that this was a discussion when this clinic was

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first created, why we're paying funds into a service when employees are not enrolled

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in the health insurance and they have other health insurance.

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Well, the simple answer is yeah, we use that as a recruitment or retention tool.

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We want to make sure employees have access to health care regardless of whether they're on their health insurance.

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So that would be one reason.

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I'm sure that we could come up with other reasons as well, but I understand you're rationale.

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Councilman Shaqine, have I on the amendment?

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Yes, Mayor. Could we have the Director for the HR department come up to have a question regarding this?

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Okay, any objection?

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Seeing none.

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Ms. Lutz.

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Councilman Chikina.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Ms. Lutz.

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Regarding the employees being able to opt out and we're still paying, is there any period

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of time that employees or employees can opt back in?

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So if we approve this to reduce the funding and they decide to opt back in, then the funding

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is no longer there.

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Do they have this chance to opt back in and wants to opt out?

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No. With it being city funded, we would have to pass it during the budget.

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Even if they were to opt into the clinic during open enrollment, it wouldn't be funded without the budget.

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Okay, so that means they can opt in during the year, but then there will be no funds.

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Correct, right. So they wouldn't be able to utilize that.

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Thank you. Thank you, Mayor.

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All right. Any more questions? Councilman Stryman from his lunch? You recognize.

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Thank you mayor at mine's kind of in line with that. There's a no and I'm just asking because I guess it could be different since ours is self-funded

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But I know that and out in the private sector that if you have a change of life then there's opportunities to then if

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Enroll in the services for your insurance that would be the same with

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Hours am I correct on that?

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That's correct any life event such as having a baby losing a spouse

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losing a job that had insurance, your spouse was a job, would open up your

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enrollment to be able to opt into the city benefit. So some of these then could

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also have that opportunity outside of open enrollment as well. That is correct.

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Okay, thank you, ma'am. All right, any more comment or question for

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Ms. Lawrence. Thank you. All right, any other comment or question regarding this

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amendment? Seeing none, hearing none, are you ready to vote? All members were voting

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on this amendment number one to the CTS budget.

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Any member who wish to change their vote, I'll get it right now.

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All members please cast your vote.

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Any member who wish to change their vote.

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Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

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Give me out of here.

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Eight notes.

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Zero abstain.

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Amendment one fails.

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Any other amendments for Ordinance 96?

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Seeing none, hearing none, are you ready to vote?

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votes on Ordinance 96 as presented. All members please cast your vote.

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Every member voted, any member wish to change their vote? Madam Clerk please,

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take the vote. 12, yes, there are no, zero abstain.

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Ordinance 96 passes first reading, or now ready for item G, Ordinance 97,

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2024-25, and Ordinance amending the operating and capital budgets for fiscal year

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year 2024-25 and adopting the operating and capital budgets for fiscal year 2025-26 for

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the governmental funds for fiscal year beginning July 1st, 2025 and ending June 30th, 2026.

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I'll entertain a motion.

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Motion been made and properly seconded.

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We do have a number of amendments and we're just going to plow through them.

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Wanted a time.

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We'll go to go from my right to left.

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Councilman McLaughlin, you're our lead off hitter.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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My first amendment, it will say McLaughlin Capital Project Funds, I'd like to make a motion that we unfund and close the Frosty Morn Project number 20101 Capital Project and transfer the property to Community Neighborhood Services Land Bank for privately built and managed true affordable low income housing for senior citizens.

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motion been made. Do I hear a second? All right for an explanation to the sponsor.

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We definitely have a housing crisis in our community especially affordable housing

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for our aging seniors of which some of us are part of that getting to be part of that

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group. But in looking at the deficit that we have in the budget, I was trying to come up

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with creative ways to get more revenue without tax increase. And if we can take city

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property and put it on the tax rolls and also have a good feeling about trying to provide

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housing for people that desperately need it, this is probably the best way to do it.

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On the properties located on a bus line, there's access to amenities in the area and I just

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feel like this would be a really good opportunity for the Land Bank project that Neighborhood

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Community Services is working on with Silas at the Planning Commission.

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Okay. Thank you. Councilman Marquis, you're recognized on the amendment. Yes. So, I too have a frosting

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more than amendment. And I do like the idea here on its use. I am also defunding it just as a sponsor.

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So, I would like to amend her amendment. At least make a wish and amend her amendment. Okay. Well, speak your amendment.

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My amendment. Okay, so my amendment is to one different frosting board. It's a bit complicated if you guys find my amendment

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And we'll need you to put it in writing at some point before we can vote it is there. Yeah, it's the real okay

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We're going to let us look it up.

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You're somewhere.

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You're recognized. Yes. So it deals with Frosting Warren, the fire engine station three outlaw field public safety complex. And all this combined will essentially reduce the property tax by a penny and a half. So Frosting Warren has like $7.1 million allocated to it currently. And essentially, I would be decreasing $4 million to provide for the new fire engine.

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capital project as well as get station three up and running and then they

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remain their frosting war and will be transferred to the outlaw field public safety

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complex to get that up and running. These are projects that have been pushed on

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next fiscal year but I believe that it's infrastructure project that the

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community will benefit right now as far as the reduction of the tax rate

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Essentially, the current engine is in the fire department's budget, so by transferring

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it over to Capital Project and using Frosting Worn Funds to pay for it, we can then decrease

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that department by the cost of the engine and decrease the tax by a penny and a half,

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while they're still able to purchase the engine and get Station 3 up and then with PD get

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the public safety complex up and running. And then I do like the use that the

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sponsor had for her amendment to transfer Frosting Warn to make affordable housing

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so that's why I would prefer to combine them. Okay, you've hardly

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explanation. I will just kind of respond this way as far as district four

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precinct for the Clarksville Police Department building that it is a two-step

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that dance, the building, and then it requires 24 to 27 new positions for Clarksville Police

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Department. So if you're committing to, if you're committing to building the building,

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then we're committing in fiscal 27 to hiring additional police officers, which is about

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a $3 million price tag roughly. So it is not, it is more than just building the building.

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I understand and that is the time when we're looking at.

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So that's why that project was put on hold because it was a pretty heavy lift.

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Yes.

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Secondly, unlike our friends in Washington, we don't have an unlimited debt, ability to

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issue debt, we do have limited capacity to issue debt.

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So moving a piece, a fire truck to debt, we are trying to, I'm trying to save that capacity

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for the storm water issues that we need to fix right away.

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Not the plan and the study that gas and water will be doing,

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but we've got some numbers coming in a little bit later this summer,

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which we're going to have to have a capital project to fix woodstock

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and some of the other projects like Alberta Freestone, et cetera.

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And so we're going to need that capacity to address that.

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So I don't want to take up debt capacity for fire trucks or other buildings that we may

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not need right away or may not be able to use until we know the final number for our

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00:33:40,110 --> 00:33:43,270
stormwater issues that are acute right now.

437
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:45,450
That's part of it.

438
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:48,230
And then the second thing is Frosty Moore.

439
00:33:48,410 --> 00:33:54,410
And I know, you know, people may not understand why we're spending money on this project, but

440
00:33:54,410 --> 00:34:02,350
we are trying to get a property in a legacy neighborhood that can be used for people who need it.

441
00:34:02,790 --> 00:34:08,150
They don't have the means to drive or pay for venues across town or in other places.

442
00:34:08,750 --> 00:34:14,790
We have determined through the planning process that a neighborhood and community services department would move there

443
00:34:15,330 --> 00:34:20,450
and be the anchor tenant for that building because that's closest to the people that they would serve.

444
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:27,790
Partly, we have public spaces as well, as well as we're in conversations with a health

445
00:34:27,790 --> 00:34:33,430
clinic, a nonprofit health clinic, to open there, to provide services for the neighborhood.

446
00:34:34,810 --> 00:34:40,130
And the public hearing that we had for this project, that we held at the BirdCob Recreation

447
00:34:40,130 --> 00:34:46,310
Center, that was the best attended public hearing that I've ever seen.

448
00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:49,970
There was so much passion and so much interest in this project.

449
00:34:49,970 --> 00:35:03,710
So I would ask that we not move money, we won't add any money to this project, we're holding back until we get the final numbers on the storm water issues that we're going to need some debt capacity to take care of.

450
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:14,510
So I would just ask you to consider not approving this and moving money and especially committing to building a building that we don't can't commit to staffing next year just yet.

451
00:35:16,090 --> 00:35:17,170
Councilman Lovato.

452
00:35:17,170 --> 00:35:25,210
Thank you Mayor. I have some clarifying questions because this is a little

453
00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:29,850
complicated because we're talking about real property on one hand but then

454
00:35:29,850 --> 00:35:34,290
we're talking about debt in the same conversation and so I just want to

455
00:35:34,290 --> 00:35:42,050
clarify exactly what we're voting down or what we're voting for. So from what I

456
00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:50,370
My understanding is the original amendment to the budget is just moving the property to another ownership.

457
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:55,510
And then the amendment to the budget is moving the debt that is associated with the property.

458
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:57,770
Am I understanding that correctly?

459
00:35:58,390 --> 00:36:04,310
I will call on the sponsor of the original amendment, Councilman McLaughlin, to explain to answer your question.

460
00:36:04,770 --> 00:36:08,950
And then I'll call on the sponsor of the amendment to the amendment to explain.

461
00:36:09,550 --> 00:36:10,970
Councilman McLaughlin, you're recognized.

462
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:12,650
How many amendments to the amendments?

463
00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:14,870
We can only have one amendment to the amendment.

464
00:36:15,130 --> 00:36:16,650
I hear Lance Biker in my head.

465
00:36:18,850 --> 00:36:19,630
That's haunting.

466
00:36:21,390 --> 00:36:22,430
Tell me.

467
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:31,210
Okay, so my original amendment was to close the Frostymore project.

468
00:36:31,410 --> 00:36:33,270
No more debt would be issued to it.

469
00:36:33,370 --> 00:36:35,310
That money that's for out years,

470
00:36:35,770 --> 00:36:37,210
allocated for that would go away.

471
00:36:37,210 --> 00:36:37,850
It would be closed.

472
00:36:37,850 --> 00:36:54,850
And then we would look at transferring the ownership of the property to the land bank for future private entities that want to buy that property to build affordable housing for our senior citizens.

473
00:36:55,670 --> 00:37:02,550
So neighborhood and community service in the city would not own this property a third party entity.

474
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:05,470
But you don't know who the third party entity would be?

475
00:37:05,470 --> 00:37:10,890
No, that's part of the land banking process that the Director and a member of the planning

476
00:37:10,890 --> 00:37:12,170
commission have been going through.

477
00:37:12,810 --> 00:37:18,130
It's been brought up at the Resource and Clarksville Initiative, but we all know there's

478
00:37:18,130 --> 00:37:20,130
a desperate need for affordable housing.

479
00:37:20,510 --> 00:37:26,310
This would provide land so that a deal could be made for somebody that is in the building

480
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:31,970
business that specializes in HUD and federal grants could build something like this.

481
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:39,750
We don't have a dedicated senior housing like this, but there are people in our community

482
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:45,350
than the past have partnered in bought properties or horsewood properties to build affordable

483
00:37:45,350 --> 00:37:45,890
housing.

484
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:53,050
Does this, because there have been a lot of conversations with neighborhood and community services and

485
00:37:53,050 --> 00:37:58,490
the organizations in our community working on homeless shelters and affordable housing, etc, etc.

486
00:37:58,490 --> 00:38:03,950
Does this fall in line with their mission in their current projection?

487
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:12,580
If you want to call on the director, you can, but they're desperately looking for property

488
00:38:12,580 --> 00:38:17,640
that they can partner to get redeveloped so people have affordable places to live.

489
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:23,420
Mayor, I would like to hear from Ms. Austin.

490
00:38:23,420 --> 00:38:29,600
Yeah, okay, we be happy to call without objection Michelle Austin director of

491
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,540
Negra and Community Services. I can tell you the first step is establishing, if you don't mind,

492
00:38:33,620 --> 00:38:41,400
come on up. Establishing the land bank, land trust, whatever version that is, but

493
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,240
Councilman Lovato you recognize for a question.

494
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:53,400
Thank you. So I'm not opposed to this amendment, but I do have concerns about what

495
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,440
What would happen to the building in the meantime while we're creating this?

496
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:03,420
And does this even fall in line with your mission as far as what you're doing with the homeless

497
00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:04,940
coalition and all of that?

498
00:39:06,340 --> 00:39:10,080
Well, of course, any affordable housing falls in line with our mission.

499
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:12,520
We need as much housing as we can get.

500
00:39:12,580 --> 00:39:17,380
We're looking at a 15,000 unit gap here in Clarksville over the next five years.

501
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,480
That being said, you know, I'm just learning about this as well.

502
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,320
We don't, we aren't necessarily able to stand up a land bank at this moment.

503
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,020
We're still in those preliminary stages.

504
00:39:29,260 --> 00:39:34,280
We're also looking at a community land trust that might better fit for something like this.

505
00:39:34,780 --> 00:39:38,600
But again, it's not something that we can really decide on at this moment.

506
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,280
We would really need to look at all the factors to see what would be the best scenario

507
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,920
for funding a project like this.

508
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:47,520
Councilor Lovato, you have floor.

509
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:48,720
That's all. Thank you.

510
00:39:48,940 --> 00:39:49,120
Okay.

511
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,780
I don't have any more questions for myself.

512
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:53,500
Thank you.

513
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:54,080
Thank you.

514
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:54,440
Thank you, sir.

515
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:02,420
I am not opposed to this, but my issue with the Frosty Morn is I feel like we have gone

516
00:40:02,420 --> 00:40:05,800
for years where it's just been one good idea after another.

517
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:13,040
And I don't want to make a decision today that it's just another good idea without the planning.

518
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:18,840
So I hope I see something like this come forward within the year with better planning.

519
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,180
but I will be voting. No one else. That's all.

520
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,940
Councilman Stretman, you're recognized.

521
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:31,940
Thank you, Mayor. I can also say that I have had meetings with Ms. Austin regarding some land we already have

522
00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:41,100
to try and create some affordable housing for senior citizens as well as some other groups without

523
00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:46,700
discussing it in detail. But I know that there's already some land we have that we can look at being

524
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:52,840
able to utilize and do these projects with. And I'm also in agreement with the previous speaker

525
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:59,060
in that I would hate to see us give this up and I think I'm speaking in the same agreement.

526
00:40:59,420 --> 00:41:04,080
I would hate to see us give up where we are right now especially with everything we've already

527
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:11,060
spent. I'm very much excited by the aspect of the medical potential medical clinic. We've seen a lot

528
00:41:11,060 --> 00:41:17,060
of activity here recently about more medical facilities coming our way and that could maybe

529
00:41:17,060 --> 00:41:22,780
possibly hopefully tie into what the mayor is referencing, but I think I'd like to see

530
00:41:22,780 --> 00:41:28,000
us look at this just a little bit longer before we take the opportunity away for what we could

531
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,260
potentially have there for an underserved neighborhood. Let me give you the posture we're in.

532
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:41,040
Councilman

533
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:48,000
Councilman Marquis has motion to substitute her amendment for McLaughlin's amendment.

534
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:55,460
So we're discussing the Marquis amendment to McLaughlin's amendment on Ordinance 97.

535
00:41:55,740 --> 00:41:58,040
Councilman Chikina, you're recognized if you understood it.

536
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,260
Yes, I understood it, Mayor.

537
00:41:59,380 --> 00:41:59,700
Thank you.

538
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:03,900
And to the council member with the amendment, to the amendment.

539
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:15,400
But if we're talking about defunding Frost and Morn, what is your intent for the building, do we sell the building, what happens to this building because we've invested in this building?

540
00:42:15,780 --> 00:42:22,200
So how do we recoup some type of funding from this, do you have any discussion on that?

541
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:33,120
Yes. So from last year's speaks are talks that I had with the EDC. It is something that we could do.

542
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:41,660
We can ask them to help us to market that building and find healthcare professional or somebody to come in there.

543
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:48,200
Maybe a grocery store or something of the sort, but it's something that if we wanted, they could help us do.

544
00:42:48,200 --> 00:43:00,160
and just to speak on the current ideas of healthcare situation and the city cannot use taxpayer money to build frosty

545
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:06,500
mourn and then rent it out to a non-profit. We're going to be in the same situation as the performing arts center.

546
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:11,380
We're going to have to create something similar to the act authority in order to pay for it.

547
00:43:11,380 --> 00:43:16,140
So where are we going to get that funding from it?

548
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,000
That's the route that we're going to go with.

549
00:43:18,140 --> 00:43:21,360
Because if you look at also the actual project here

550
00:43:21,930 --> 00:43:23,780
in the long-term financial impact,

551
00:43:24,180 --> 00:43:28,080
it's going to cost us about almost $5 million a year

552
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:33,760
out of our general fund, just to pay for the estimated debt

553
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,400
repayment annually.

554
00:43:35,980 --> 00:43:38,540
So it's $4 million annually for debt repayment

555
00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:46,220
and about $815,760 for maintenance and facility operation.

556
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,320
So it's about 5 million when you look at the current penny costs,

557
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,500
that's 7.5 pennies, that we're going to have to spend out

558
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:57,620
of our general fund to fund Frosting Warren, potentially next year

559
00:43:57,620 --> 00:44:01,600
at the rate that this is written for the fiscal years,

560
00:44:01,980 --> 00:44:04,140
which is very expensive for one building.

561
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:13,320
And then again, it is that figuring out the ultimate funding again, we are if we're going

562
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,720
to do non-profit and rent it out for restaurant or event centers or something of the sort, it's

563
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:23,100
going to have to come from a third party, some other authority that we're going to have

564
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:23,500
to create.

565
00:44:24,460 --> 00:44:29,580
So I think we should sell it, get back our money because then it also puts it back in the

566
00:44:29,580 --> 00:44:30,640
tax rolls as well.

567
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,760
We'll get the initial sale price and then they'll be paying taxes.

568
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,500
is eventually will make back our money.

569
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,200
It were not in it that much compared to the 56 million

570
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,520
that we will at the end of this.

571
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,140
Councilman Chicanan, do you have the floor?

572
00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:46,220
Thank you, Mayor.

573
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:48,860
And thank you, sponsor to the amendment to the amendment.

574
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,460
Mayor, question for you.

575
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,820
Do you know how much about how much money have we put

576
00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:54,460
into this project so far?

577
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:56,640
How many million, so far?

578
00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:58,320
About four million, so far.

579
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,960
and that's demo.

580
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,700
The coalition, new roof, some drainage, keeping the site secure while we protect what investment we had, so around four million or so. And then we're looking at about how much more. Well, that's, that's the, that's the next part of this exercise. We're going through not only what we would have to spend in order to do phase one of the build out, but how would we pay for it much like we did the performing arts center. You know, we, we spent a lot of time and effort.

581
00:45:29,700 --> 00:45:34,540
on the performing arts center leading up to the creation

582
00:45:34,540 --> 00:45:37,660
of the act authority and then having a revenue stream to pay

583
00:45:37,660 --> 00:45:40,380
for the performing arts center.

584
00:45:40,860 --> 00:45:42,920
So that's part of the exercise we're going now.

585
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,080
Going through now.

586
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,080
Thank you, Mayor.

587
00:45:45,380 --> 00:45:46,040
All right, thank you.

588
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,120
Councilman Haywood, you're recognized.

589
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:49,060
Thank you, Mayor.

590
00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:52,360
It's to the sponsor for the amendment to the amendment.

591
00:45:54,980 --> 00:45:56,380
There's four million.

592
00:45:56,860 --> 00:45:58,160
Is it four or is it seven?

593
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,940
I don't, I don't know, I was counting up the money that you were transferring from

594
00:46:02,940 --> 00:46:05,320
Frosty Morning. It looks like there's just over 7 million.

595
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:10,570
There's 7 million total in the project at this time.

596
00:46:10,810 --> 00:46:16,490
Okay, so I went down there to the Frosty Morning Project because I also have a amendment to

597
00:46:16,490 --> 00:46:21,870
pull Frosty Morning, unfund and cancel it, but I'm, I'm just going to leave that one as is.

598
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:29,810
So I don't hate this. I, I'm not as invested as everyone else here, but I think this is

599
00:46:29,950 --> 00:46:36,250
the amendment to the amendment, adding to the amendment is a great idea. I went down

600
00:46:36,250 --> 00:46:41,890
there last week and talked to the supervisor of security and he kind of walked me around

601
00:46:41,890 --> 00:46:48,330
and showed me the new roof up there and he didn't let me in there because he didn't want

602
00:46:48,330 --> 00:46:52,110
me to get hurt, told me I could sue the city. I didn't tell him I was a councilman.

603
00:46:54,830 --> 00:46:56,990
I don't

604
00:46:56,990 --> 00:47:06,190
see it being something the whole city can use but you know putting 4 million to and for

605
00:47:06,190 --> 00:47:11,650
new fire truck capital project in station 3 transferring outlaw fuel public safety complex

606
00:47:11,650 --> 00:47:12,430
complex.

607
00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:19,570
I see that as something the entire city can use so I will be voting in favor of this amendment

608
00:47:19,570 --> 00:47:20,290
to the amendment.

609
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:21,410
Thank you.

610
00:47:21,590 --> 00:47:21,850
All right.

611
00:47:22,030 --> 00:47:22,250
Thank you.

612
00:47:22,330 --> 00:47:25,950
Any more comment or question before I go back to the sponsor of the amendment to the amendment

613
00:47:25,950 --> 00:47:31,870
for final thoughts. Councilman Markey, you're recognized for final thoughts on your amendment to the amendment.

614
00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:39,070
As it was previously stated, I just think this is something that the city has a hope to use.

615
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:46,170
This is something that again will reduce the tax rate by a bit and give us services.

616
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:53,410
Okay, thank you. We're now voting on the amendment, the Markey amendment to the McLaughlin amendment.

617
00:47:54,410 --> 00:48:00,130
All members please cast your vote and remember voted and you remember always to change their vote. Madam Clerk, please take the vote

618
00:48:00,810 --> 00:48:07,390
5 yes 7 no zero to the amendment to the amendment failed. We're back on the McLaughlin amendment as presented

619
00:48:09,070 --> 00:48:10,510
Councilman Holliman you're recognized

620
00:48:10,510 --> 00:48:15,610
Thank you mayor. I'm so much going to talk about the amendment. I like the idea, you know, you know

621
00:48:17,250 --> 00:48:21,170
I have dealt with a lot of our senior citizens. I've worked with them

622
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:28,290
They work their whole life and they accumulate wealth and then it's all taken away by medical

623
00:48:28,290 --> 00:48:28,730
bills.

624
00:48:29,110 --> 00:48:35,030
It's seen so many senior citizens not being able to afford rent because the medical industry

625
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:40,530
is draining them dry and they end up homeless living in their car and the senior center parking

626
00:48:40,530 --> 00:48:40,850
lot.

627
00:48:41,070 --> 00:48:48,850
It's really a rough deal and thus as a society, we have a really bad habit of this person

628
00:48:48,850 --> 00:48:52,410
can't work anymore. They're just not as fast enough. So then they're just automatically

629
00:48:52,410 --> 00:48:57,770
discarded. So I'm in favor of it and I do plan a voting. Yes, that's all we've got.

630
00:48:57,850 --> 00:48:58,170
Thank you.

631
00:48:58,450 --> 00:49:02,930
Thank you. Any more comment or question? Councilman McLaughlin, final thoughts?

632
00:49:03,630 --> 00:49:04,750
That concludes my report.

633
00:49:04,930 --> 00:49:06,750
All right. Thank you. All right.

634
00:49:06,910 --> 00:49:10,910
We're now voting on the McLaughlin Amendment to ordinance 97.

635
00:49:11,730 --> 00:49:13,290
Remember, please cast your vote.

636
00:49:14,110 --> 00:49:17,690
Every member voted. Any member wish to change their vote? Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

637
00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:25,030
seven yes five no zero abstain the amendment number one passes we're now back

638
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:32,010
to our lead-off hitter councilman McLaughlin you're recognized okay I need

639
00:49:34,860 --> 00:49:34,980
to

640
00:49:34,980 --> 00:49:39,680
regroup a little bit I apologize okay

641
00:49:43,710 --> 00:49:47,790
the McLaughlin amendment to reduce FY 26

642
00:49:47,790 --> 00:49:58,170
funds from Public Relations Code 4630 to match FY 25 actual. So I have fire department,

643
00:49:58,410 --> 00:50:04,610
human resources, mayors office, parks, police and street, and the reductions amount are

644
00:50:04,610 --> 00:50:11,950
listed. And on the comment section, I showed what the actual spend your day through the end

645
00:50:11,950 --> 00:50:17,070
of May 25 was, I make a motion for approval.

646
00:50:17,370 --> 00:50:22,770
Motion been made and properly seconded in favor of McLaughlin Amendment number 22.

647
00:50:24,070 --> 00:50:24,350
Thank you.

648
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:26,250
Any comment or question regarding this amendment?

649
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:29,270
Seeing none, hearing none, are you ready to vote?

650
00:50:30,490 --> 00:50:33,230
We're voting on the McLaughlin Amendment number 2.

651
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,760
Every member, please cast your vote.

652
00:50:44,610 --> 00:50:45,450
Every member voted.

653
00:50:45,610 --> 00:50:46,890
Any member wish to change their vote?

654
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:48,130
Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

655
00:50:48,130 --> 00:50:52,610
So, eight, nine, yes, three, no, zero abstain.

656
00:50:53,090 --> 00:50:57,670
Amendment number two passes, back to you, Councilman McLaughlin.

657
00:51:01,740 --> 00:51:08,080
Okay, there is an amendment that says, reduce nonprofit wage increase and

658
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,400
benefits to match city employees.

659
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:16,980
And what this would be would be a reduction in the amount of $21,155 for

660
00:51:16,980 --> 00:51:26,980
general wage increases for the airport, reduction in 15,600 to airport benefits, $60,118 from

661
00:51:26,980 --> 00:51:32,260
the Regional Planning Commission and $31,274 from the Customs House Museum.

662
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:43,780
Total reduction would be $128,147 and at the bottom is a chart that the finance department

663
00:51:43,780 --> 00:51:55,900
and put together after we had some budget discussions with nonprofits and we had heard discrepancies of benefits and pay to the nonprofits that receive city funding.

664
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:02,120
I, for one, don't think it's fair that we're funding nonprofits at a better rate than we are our own employees.

665
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,940
So that's what this amendment is for and I have to make a motion for approval, sorry.

666
00:52:06,940 --> 00:52:07,480
Second.

667
00:52:07,700 --> 00:52:12,880
Motion made and properly seconded in favor of the McLaughlin amendment number three.

668
00:52:14,180 --> 00:52:16,920
Councilman Stretman, you're recognized on the amendment number three.

669
00:52:17,260 --> 00:52:17,720
Thank you, Mayor.

670
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:24,140
And I was involved in this conversation as well when this was a big discussion that we had

671
00:52:24,140 --> 00:52:30,300
within the Finance Committee budget meeting and it was very grateful for the conversation.

672
00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:38,900
I do think that we should let these groups know that next year that their funding needs

673
00:52:38,900 --> 00:52:43,080
to look the same way, that their insurance needs to look the same way, because I agree

674
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:48,820
knowing that one of them here they get 100% for the employee, whereas our employees are

675
00:52:48,820 --> 00:52:49,680
having to pay in.

676
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:55,200
I do think that that's something that they need to be notified on, because it's not during

677
00:52:55,200 --> 00:53:00,060
their open enrollment, so they can't really make changes to that until their time for open

678
00:53:00,060 --> 00:53:05,220
enrollment. Also for the Regional Planning Commission, I'm unsure without

679
00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:10,000
talking to them further. If I remember correctly, what was stated is that they

680
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:16,160
are on the county plan for their insurance, so they may have to actually fit to

681
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,600
what the county does there since they are part of that and considered. Within

682
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:26,260
that I would be speaking out of turn of knowing for certain on that, but I would

683
00:53:26,260 --> 00:53:29,460
think that it would have to match up with the rest of those, so I'm not sure that

684
00:53:29,460 --> 00:53:34,340
We could really make the change there on theirs and be correct in doing that.

685
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:42,060
Belia said with the others before making that change, I do think that they should make that change over the next year.

686
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:51,860
And when they come to us with their funding request, it should be to where they are not, we're not paying more for their employees than what we're paying for our own employees.

687
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,580
Any more comment or question regarding this amendment?

688
00:53:56,580 --> 00:54:01,240
Councilman McLaughlin, I'm sorry. Councilman Lovato, you're recognized.

689
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:06,200
They get us next up all the time. Well, I see you're sorry.

690
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:15,000
I actually have an amendment to her amendment because I was bringing forward something similar.

691
00:54:17,340 --> 00:54:24,500
I would actually like to increase the custom house.

692
00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:32,760
I guess this is a procedural question because I actually have two changes so do I need

693
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:38,140
to make two amendments or three amendments or just one fell swoop amendment.

694
00:54:40,540 --> 00:54:43,680
The amendment that you're proposing in mine is here.

695
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:43,920
Okay.

696
00:54:44,780 --> 00:54:50,500
So describe your amendment that you're wanting to substitute for her amendment.

697
00:54:50,500 --> 00:55:01,040
So my, my amendment is very similar to hers except for my numbers are higher, so I would like to increase some of her reductions.

698
00:55:04,590 --> 00:55:10,890
Better stated, maybe you will substitute your, are you wanting to substitute your, I'm sorry I'm a little dense here.

699
00:55:10,890 --> 00:55:24,490
No, it's okay. So my amendment is for the Custom House Museum to reduce their budget by $300,888 to reduce the senior

700
00:55:24,490 --> 00:55:35,130
center budget by $44,000 and to reduce the HRC budget. She doesn't have the HRC on here actually, but do you want me to

701
00:55:35,130 --> 00:55:39,830
bring mine up separately or I think it would be best to do that just to eliminate

702
00:55:39,830 --> 00:55:46,310
any confusion okay all right councilman chicana you're recognized on the

703
00:55:46,310 --> 00:55:50,510
McLaughlin amendment yes mayor thank you I have a question regarding the RPC

704
00:55:50,510 --> 00:55:56,090
since it's partially paid by the city and the county right so reducing it

705
00:55:56,090 --> 00:56:02,510
60,000 can you can you clarify how that's going to look if we take that 60,000

706
00:56:02,510 --> 00:56:06,370
or you know because again like I said it's joint that's a joint type of

707
00:56:06,370 --> 00:56:10,990
venue with the city and the county. Well I can't clarify it but Mr. Tendell

708
00:56:10,990 --> 00:56:14,110
probably could if you wanted to hear from him. Oh yes I would love to. All

709
00:56:14,110 --> 00:56:19,930
right without objection. Please. Mr. Tendell. Councilman Shakina your

710
00:56:19,930 --> 00:56:25,110
recommend. Thank you Mayor. Mr. Tendell. The RPC band joint being a joint

711
00:56:25,110 --> 00:56:31,450
venue city and county so the city reducing it by 60,000 you know how how is

712
00:56:31,450 --> 00:56:35,050
What's that going to impact the services that you provide for the city?

713
00:56:36,990 --> 00:56:39,070
First of all, this is a surprise to meet tonight.

714
00:56:39,290 --> 00:56:41,050
So I'm trying to crunch numbers really quick here.

715
00:56:42,510 --> 00:56:47,890
Per the joint city county resolutions we were established on, it's a 50-50 share of expenses.

716
00:56:48,850 --> 00:56:50,990
The county, as you know, has already approved their budget.

717
00:56:51,130 --> 00:56:59,690
However, it's always approved with a caveat that says RPC funding will be whatever the city is since typically the city's budget is passed after the county's budget.

718
00:56:59,690 --> 00:57:07,010
So in essence, a $60,000 cuts, really $120,000 cuts to our budget for next year, probably

719
00:57:07,010 --> 00:57:09,670
around a seven or eight percent cut to the whole budget.

720
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:11,350
Okay.

721
00:57:11,630 --> 00:57:11,890
Thank you.

722
00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:12,750
Thank you, Mayor.

723
00:57:12,810 --> 00:57:13,830
That was my question.

724
00:57:13,930 --> 00:57:18,290
I noticed a joint venue and I know that it's going to impact the overall budget.

725
00:57:18,510 --> 00:57:18,730
Okay.

726
00:57:19,050 --> 00:57:19,410
Thank you.

727
00:57:19,590 --> 00:57:24,090
Any more comment or question before I go to the Councilman Brown, you recognized on this amendment.

728
00:57:25,350 --> 00:57:32,110
So with the county doing a 2% cost of living and we're looking at two and a half,

729
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:38,350
is that going to throw off those numbers also for the RPC since, you know,

730
00:57:38,510 --> 00:57:43,050
those numbers don't match there either? Mr. Tendell?

731
00:57:46,650 --> 00:57:48,510
Councilman Brown please ask your question.

732
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:54,110
So what was y'all's planned general wage increase?

733
00:57:54,110 --> 00:58:00,210
our general wage increase we do a cola with a step increase and it comes out to two and a half percent but we don't give our

734
00:58:00,210 --> 00:58:08,030
colas until January so we're already funded our salaries are what they are right now and then in January the cola would kick in and we are

735
00:58:08,030 --> 00:58:18,990
budging two and a half percent okay so I know you know the county is doing two percent cola in January and so if we're doing two and a half

736
00:58:18,990 --> 00:58:25,330
you know, those numbers don't jive either, you know, to match up to, if they're doing

737
00:58:25,330 --> 00:58:28,650
one percent and we're doing one and a half because it comes from both.

738
00:58:30,430 --> 00:58:34,530
It's, you can't compare. You're both apples and oranges. They have a step system and a

739
00:58:34,530 --> 00:58:38,890
colas system. You're more of a general wage increase. So typically I find that it comes out

740
00:58:38,890 --> 00:58:42,230
in the wash over a couple of years. Maybe one's a little higher, one year, one's a little

741
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:45,770
higher the next year. But you all are trying to keep even with the market.

742
00:58:45,770 --> 00:58:47,570
Okay, thank you.

743
00:58:47,570 --> 00:58:49,310
Councilman Zacharias, you're recognized.

744
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:50,150
Thank you, Mayor.

745
00:58:50,590 --> 00:58:52,530
Just in light of what we heard from Mr. Tindall

746
00:58:52,530 --> 00:58:57,730
about how a $60,000 cut or reduction to this budget

747
00:58:57,730 --> 00:59:00,410
would actually be $120,000 cut.

748
00:59:00,550 --> 00:59:04,490
I would just ask the sponsor if she would be supportive

749
00:59:04,490 --> 00:59:07,570
of just reducing that number to $30,000, $59

750
00:59:08,550 --> 00:59:11,750
to have the same overall impact to the department.

751
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:12,550
To the sponsor.

752
00:59:13,010 --> 00:59:14,410
Thank you, I actually wrote that down.

753
00:59:14,410 --> 00:59:17,530
Okay, so I can click my report.

754
00:59:17,590 --> 00:59:20,590
Be very afraid, be very afraid, y'all are thinking alike, it was.

755
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,580
So are you making that in the form of a motion and then a tournament?

756
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,240
Yes, it appears that I have the support of the sponsor.

757
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:29,940
Yes.

758
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,540
Okay, would you restate your motion?

759
00:59:31,740 --> 00:59:41,580
Yes, I move to amend the amendment to change the value $60,118 for the decrease to the

760
00:59:41,580 --> 00:59:44,720
Regional Planning Commission to $30,000, $59.

761
00:59:46,970 --> 00:59:47,450
Second.

762
00:59:47,950 --> 00:59:51,070
Okay, you've heard the motion and properly seconded.

763
00:59:51,610 --> 00:59:56,470
The amendment to the McLaughlin Amendment is to reduce the Regional Planning Commission.

764
00:59:57,350 --> 00:59:59,890
Is this specifically for the...

765
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:31,100
General wage increase or for salary increases. It is to generally we just appropriate money to half their budget to them or our half anyway. Right. So so in my mind what this is doing is reducing the amount. Based on what was in on that line item in the budget that was submitted in the budget book. Okay. Yes.

766
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:32,560
Councilman McLaughlin.

767
01:00:33,340 --> 01:00:37,900
Well, and the hotter of the amendment says to reduce general wage increase in benefits

768
01:00:37,900 --> 01:00:40,800
to match the employee, so it's the same thing.

769
01:00:40,820 --> 01:00:41,440
Okay, all right.

770
01:00:41,580 --> 01:00:42,640
I'm just clarifying.

771
01:00:42,780 --> 01:00:43,260
I want to make sure.

772
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:43,760
Thank you, Mayor.

773
01:00:43,980 --> 01:00:44,180
Sure.

774
01:00:44,420 --> 01:00:44,740
Thank you.

775
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,140
Councilman Streetman, you recognized.

776
01:00:46,540 --> 01:00:47,000
Thank you, Mayor.

777
01:00:47,340 --> 01:00:48,620
I do want to remind everybody too.

778
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:58,600
They did just reduce what they were asking for us, asking from us by $30,000, $15,000 for us, $15,000 from the county.

779
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:08,840
So I can ask Mr. Tendell to come up here and talk about that if you'd like and know that Mr. Tendell, without objection, Mr. Tendell, you may as well sit on the front row.

780
01:01:12,860 --> 01:01:14,580
Councilman Streneman, you're recognized.

781
01:01:14,820 --> 01:01:19,500
Could you talk to us about, because I know we voted on this in the RPC as well.

782
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:20,320
Can you talk about that?

783
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:28,520
It was on your slides last week about changes over the last month before your budget in an effort to help the city and the county.

784
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:50,180
The county's budget was even, but they were still struggling and have made some cuts to projects at the county so in the effort of trying to be a team player and everyone expected to do their part, we decided at the Planning Commission to go basically into our General Fund 30,000 next year, the meaning $15,000 of savings to each department.

785
01:01:50,180 --> 01:01:54,080
So we've already made that cut voluntarily this past year.

786
01:01:54,200 --> 01:02:03,760
I think we amended the budget last month at the planning commission already to reflect that which was given to both the city and the county accounts and budgets and finance departments.

787
01:02:04,340 --> 01:02:11,580
And in regard to my earlier statements, you guys are on the county insurance plan, correct?

788
01:02:11,980 --> 01:02:16,420
Yeah, we have the benefit of not being self-insured.

789
01:02:16,420 --> 01:02:19,460
We were many, many years ago before I got here and it cost us a lot.

790
01:02:19,620 --> 01:02:22,820
But we are on the school system, AK, the county insurance.

791
01:02:23,180 --> 01:02:27,000
And our employees pay 15% of their premiums for health,

792
01:02:27,660 --> 01:02:28,840
dental vision, et cetera.

793
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,040
And you can't change what, I mean, you have to do the same.

794
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:33,900
We just had open enrollment last week, so.

795
01:02:36,140 --> 01:02:39,120
I'm trying to figure out, and again, it's apples and oranges.

796
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,220
is what the sponsor wants to get at with $60,000

797
01:02:42,780 --> 01:02:45,880
where we're that far off because my entire medical budget

798
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,740
next year's only $170,000.

799
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,000
So I can't imagine between a 2.5% raise

800
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:56,440
for 13 individuals and $170,000 of total medical expenses

801
01:02:56,940 --> 01:03:00,300
where 60,000 evens out in there.

802
01:03:00,420 --> 01:03:03,760
So I'd like to have a further talk about the line items

803
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,880
to figure out where the difference is coming from.

804
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:12,760
Okay. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Councilman Chikina be recognized on the amendment to the amendment.

805
01:03:12,860 --> 01:03:16,560
Yes, Mayor. And it's for the sponsor of the amendment to the amendment.

806
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:22,840
Okay. Would she be in favor of just deleting the RPCs cut all together?

807
01:03:23,060 --> 01:03:30,180
Because there are a lot of second, maybe third, fourth order effects to cutting this thing, being that it's a joint venue.

808
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,340
Well, we're on the amendment to the amendment which is Councilman Zagorias.

809
01:03:34,340 --> 01:03:34,520
Yes.

810
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:35,200
Okay.

811
01:03:35,540 --> 01:03:42,980
Well, so your question would be in favor of just omitting or deleting the RPCs could all

812
01:03:42,980 --> 01:03:43,440
together?

813
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:44,640
I would support that.

814
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:45,200
Okay.

815
01:03:45,500 --> 01:03:45,920
Thank you, Mayor.

816
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:47,980
I'd like to make another member, then, that we-

817
01:03:47,980 --> 01:03:53,320
Well, we can't amend an amendment to an amendment that you would have to be a separate

818
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:53,620
deal.

819
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,220
I was going to try to pull one, Mayor, but thank you.

820
01:03:55,300 --> 01:03:55,400
Okay.

821
01:03:55,900 --> 01:03:56,600
Good try.

822
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:57,620
Good try.

823
01:03:58,100 --> 01:04:03,040
We would have to vote down this amendment to the amendment and then come back to the original

824
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,460
amendment and then come to you for an amendment.

825
01:04:06,340 --> 01:04:07,880
And if you're following that.

826
01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:08,720
Yes, I'm following.

827
01:04:09,020 --> 01:04:09,260
All right.

828
01:04:10,060 --> 01:04:11,840
Councilman Zacharias, you recognized.

829
01:04:14,210 --> 01:04:14,810
Thank you, Mayor.

830
01:04:15,490 --> 01:04:18,130
I would just ask everybody to not vote down my amendment.

831
01:04:18,370 --> 01:04:25,290
And that's because if we're trending or for leaning towards eliminating the RPC altogether,

832
01:04:26,210 --> 01:04:30,970
let's at least start from a position of closer to zero than where we are now.

833
01:04:31,390 --> 01:04:32,030
That makes sense.

834
01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:37,760
I think you sent shockwaves when it says eliminating the RPC.

835
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:39,960
From the reduction.

836
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:40,620
Oh, okay.

837
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:41,380
Sorry.

838
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:43,560
Thank you.

839
01:04:44,620 --> 01:04:44,760
Okay.

840
01:04:45,300 --> 01:04:47,560
Yeah, we're going to have to get medical help for Mr. Tenville.

841
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:49,960
Okay.

842
01:04:53,590 --> 01:04:54,150
Okay.

843
01:04:58,810 --> 01:05:01,490
Anybody else wish to be recognized on the amendment?

844
01:05:01,790 --> 01:05:03,830
Zacharias amendment to the McLaughlin amendment.

845
01:05:05,230 --> 01:05:08,630
Seeing none, hearing none, we're voting on the Zacharias amendment

846
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:10,550
Amendment to the McLaughlin Amendment.

847
01:05:12,030 --> 01:05:14,390
Every member please cast your vote.

848
01:05:19,370 --> 01:05:20,590
Every member voted.

849
01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:22,010
Any member wish to change their vote?

850
01:05:22,130 --> 01:05:23,350
Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

851
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:26,410
Ten yes, two no, zero abstain.

852
01:05:26,750 --> 01:05:28,970
The amendment to the amendment is adopted.

853
01:05:29,310 --> 01:05:32,430
We're now on the McLaughlin Amendment as amended.

854
01:05:32,970 --> 01:05:34,710
Councilman McLaughlin, you are recognized.

855
01:05:35,850 --> 01:05:40,810
Okay, based on the conversation, I'd like to make an amendment to the amendment to

856
01:05:40,810 --> 01:05:43,330
the poll, the reduction from the planning commission.

857
01:05:44,030 --> 01:05:50,650
Okay, you've heard the motion to remove the reduction to the regional planning commission

858
01:05:50,650 --> 01:05:54,130
from the amended amendment.

859
01:05:54,330 --> 01:05:59,910
I'm going to get that right, Mr. Bittner, my close, okay, all right, and it's been properly

860
01:05:59,910 --> 01:06:00,470
seconded.

861
01:06:00,570 --> 01:06:03,030
Any comment or question regarding that motion?

862
01:06:04,050 --> 01:06:08,710
Saying none, hearing none, are you ready to vote on the amendment to the amendment?

863
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:19,630
which is to remove the regional planning commission totally from this amendment not from the earth but from just from this amendment.

864
01:06:20,830 --> 01:06:28,170
Just removing the $30,059 reference to the regional planning commission from this amendment.

865
01:06:28,930 --> 01:06:32,430
Okay, everybody know what we're voting on. Madam Clerk, you got a straight.

866
01:06:32,430 --> 01:06:38,510
every member voted any member wish to change their vote. Madam clerk please take

867
01:06:38,510 --> 01:06:43,330
the vote. 11 yes one no is there abstainment. Okay the amendment to the

868
01:06:43,330 --> 01:06:47,470
amendment is adopted. We're now on the amendment as amended.

869
01:06:49,690 --> 01:06:50,750
Councilman McLaughlin

870
01:06:50,750 --> 01:06:59,330
you recognized. So for clarification what we're on is the reduction of 21155 from

871
01:06:59,330 --> 01:07:07,130
the airport for a general wage increase, $15,600 from the airport from benefits, and $31,274

872
01:07:07,130 --> 01:07:08,650
from the customs house museum.

873
01:07:09,250 --> 01:07:14,870
She renews that motion, any comment or question regarding this amendment, as amended.

874
01:07:16,110 --> 01:07:17,810
Saying none, hearing none, are you ready to vote?

875
01:07:17,870 --> 01:07:19,410
All members, please cast your vote,

876
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:23,000
as soon as we get there, I know.

877
01:07:30,510 --> 01:07:31,990
All right, every member voted.

878
01:07:32,790 --> 01:07:34,350
Any member wish to change their vote?

879
01:07:34,510 --> 01:07:35,970
Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

880
01:07:35,970 --> 01:07:46,940
9 yes 3 no 0 abstain amendment 3 as amended is adopted councilman McLaughlin our

881
01:07:46,940 --> 01:07:51,080
lead-off hitter you're recognized can I take a break and pass on to somebody

882
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:57,240
else while I regroup sure thank you okay we're gonna come to councilman

883
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:04,990
marquee your next step you're recognized on amendments okay just want to make

884
01:08:04,990 --> 01:08:12,750
sure well you're out of order all right we're nice try nice try all right

885
01:08:12,750 --> 01:08:19,640
going around councilman hollumon you're recognized on your amendment thank you

886
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:28,460
mayor so so what this does is it's I guess it's pretty brutal it it removes one

887
01:08:28,460 --> 01:08:39,940
$1,081,086 from the Custom House Museum removes $534,999 from the Regional Planning Commission

888
01:08:39,940 --> 01:08:44,240
and essentially like defunding them because my stance is like Clarksville's full,

889
01:08:44,740 --> 01:08:48,260
like we don't need to grow anymore, you know, so it's no longer no longer needed.

890
01:08:48,620 --> 01:08:55,500
Human Relations Commission is a reduction of $50,000 and then with that the numbers are all messed up

891
01:08:55,500 --> 01:09:00,740
because we just cut some of the custom house museum funding.

892
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,200
So the numbers aren't going to need to be adjusted, so the numbers are off.

893
01:09:04,940 --> 01:09:08,580
But basically what it does is it gives wage increases to the police department,

894
01:09:08,860 --> 01:09:12,240
the fire department, and then security as well.

895
01:09:12,860 --> 01:09:19,600
And out of that total number from the cuts, $100,000 goes towards the seed bank.

896
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,220
And that would be under the city forestry department.

897
01:09:22,220 --> 01:09:24,960
but I'd like to make a motion for approval.

898
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:27,820
Fail for lack of a second.

899
01:09:28,740 --> 01:09:28,820
Okay.

900
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:29,160
All right.

901
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:31,600
We're now ready for...

902
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:32,340
Do you have another amendment?

903
01:09:32,900 --> 01:09:33,020
No.

904
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:33,600
Okay.

905
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:38,980
Councilor McLaughlin, are you regrouped?

906
01:09:38,980 --> 01:09:39,740
Do you want me to keep going?

907
01:09:40,460 --> 01:09:41,200
I can do it.

908
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:41,980
You're ready.

909
01:09:42,180 --> 01:09:42,320
Okay.

910
01:09:42,900 --> 01:09:44,080
Back to you.

911
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:45,240
Okay.

912
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:46,440
Thank you, Mayor.

913
01:09:48,020 --> 01:09:48,220
Okay.

914
01:09:50,300 --> 01:09:52,200
We talked about this a little...

915
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:52,420
Okay.

916
01:09:52,420 --> 01:09:57,140
The next amendment is Convert Grounds and Facilities Maintenance Specialist Positions

917
01:09:57,140 --> 01:09:57,900
to Contract.

918
01:09:59,220 --> 01:10:06,640
This would be the new positions for Parks and Recreation, totaling 245, 448.

919
01:10:07,990 --> 01:10:17,060
I did not touch the specialty positions as far as turf management, but in trying to figure

920
01:10:17,060 --> 01:10:21,940
throughout how we can continue or how we can get out of having deficit here by here.

921
01:10:22,740 --> 01:10:28,940
I will be bringing forward a resolution next week that through attrition, meaning if

922
01:10:28,940 --> 01:10:33,900
somebody leaves employment with the city in certain positions, grass cutting, et cetera,

923
01:10:34,340 --> 01:10:36,360
that we look at putting those out to contract.

924
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:42,100
Once we add a position, it's very difficult to eliminate a position, but instead of replacing

925
01:10:43,540 --> 01:10:53,380
with people and benefits and one equipment and maintenance that we look at doing that through attrition and this would be the start of that.

926
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,000
So I make a motion for approval.

927
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:03,740
Motion been made and properly seconded in favor of McLaughlin amendment 4, Madam Clerk, is it where we went?

928
01:11:03,820 --> 01:11:06,600
5. We're on McLaughlin amendment number 5.

929
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,220
Councilman Chicanab, you're recognized on the McLaughlin Amendment number five.

930
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:12,680
Yes, Mayor.

931
01:11:12,820 --> 01:11:13,100
Thank you.

932
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:14,360
I have a question for you.

933
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:20,580
There are the parks and director or someone from purchasing regarding contracts and getting

934
01:11:20,580 --> 01:11:21,420
this thing on a contract.

935
01:11:21,420 --> 01:11:21,660
Okay.

936
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,340
Well, let's start with the Parks and Recreation Department, Ms. LaTerno,

937
01:11:30,570 --> 01:11:31,410
Councilman Chicanab,

938
01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:31,950
you're recognized.

939
01:11:32,170 --> 01:11:32,550
Thank you, Mayor.

940
01:11:32,770 --> 01:11:33,730
Thank you, Ms. LaTerno.

941
01:11:34,330 --> 01:11:35,110
Question for you.

942
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:40,910
I know you probably already have a plan to fill these positions and buy wind and things

943
01:11:40,910 --> 01:11:46,590
like that. If we vote to decrease this funding and go there out of the contract, a contract

944
01:11:46,590 --> 01:11:51,690
or about how long you think that's going to take to actually put that in place and then

945
01:11:51,690 --> 01:11:56,630
the effectiveness, the control that you have over it versus the control you may have

946
01:11:56,630 --> 01:12:00,630
over sitting employees, what is that going to look like in some of those challenges that

947
01:12:00,630 --> 01:12:02,130
it may present for you in that department?

948
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:10,490
Sure. We currently have three Boeing contracts and we vote a good deal of our outline parts.

949
01:12:10,490 --> 01:12:14,650
they're on a seven day mowing contract and we had to spread it out to three

950
01:12:14,650 --> 01:12:18,750
different ones to be able to because no one single one could cover all of them but

951
01:12:18,750 --> 01:12:25,270
we do those it's some of the outliers the manned parks the heritage park the

952
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:30,470
liberty park the ones that are more probably groomed it's essential for us to

953
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:34,710
have control over that because we have it on a daily basis that we have to to

954
01:12:34,710 --> 01:12:38,350
groom them to our standards and they have to be maintained a little bit better

955
01:12:38,350 --> 01:12:46,050
such as our turf, our soccer fields, we're adding a good deal of the, and you did say not

956
01:12:46,050 --> 01:12:46,790
the turf positions.

957
01:12:47,170 --> 01:12:47,570
Is that correct?

958
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:48,570
Okay.

959
01:12:49,370 --> 01:12:54,130
A lot of the reason that we're asking for some of these is because we've added, we haven't

960
01:12:54,130 --> 01:12:55,870
had a new person since 2018.

961
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:57,990
We've not added any new positions.

962
01:12:58,830 --> 01:13:02,470
And I've got a list here of the properties that we've added.

963
01:13:02,470 --> 01:13:07,450
Smith Trigger Mansion, Ellen Entrain Depot, Beach Street Park, Crossland Greenway,

964
01:13:07,850 --> 01:13:13,650
Taylor Greenway, and then some more trail pieces.

965
01:13:14,250 --> 01:13:18,390
And that's not something that we typically can easily contract.

966
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:20,750
It would take us some time to get that together.

967
01:13:20,990 --> 01:13:27,950
We would have to probably figure out what would be, make sense to do a contract with

968
01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:28,670
and what would not.

969
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:30,530
But some of these are maintenance also.

970
01:13:30,530 --> 01:13:33,950
So it's physical building maintenance as well.

971
01:13:36,110 --> 01:13:39,110
You don't get the, I'm not going to say that you don't get standards because we do have

972
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:42,610
some really good contracts, but you also have to have people to oversee those contracts

973
01:13:42,610 --> 01:13:43,230
as well.

974
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:48,630
But you don't necessarily get the same product, and a lot of our folks are dual purpose.

975
01:13:48,810 --> 01:13:54,170
They don't just mow grass, they don't just maintain one thing, but they'll set up for events.

976
01:13:54,450 --> 01:13:56,190
They do the set up for summer night lights.

977
01:13:56,190 --> 01:14:03,070
They take turns doing the tournaments, the soccer tournaments, the baseball tournaments and doing all the special events that we have.

978
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:08,810
So not any one person in our department is just mowing and weed eating properties.

979
01:14:09,670 --> 01:14:10,690
And I hope that answers your question.

980
01:14:10,690 --> 01:14:16,130
Yes, that's part of the question, but the second part of it is in terms of putting a current contract in place,

981
01:14:16,130 --> 01:14:21,710
and we're talking about most of these are under $50,000, only one, this, $3,000.

982
01:14:22,410 --> 01:14:32,870
What does it look like? How long does it take? Does it take three months, you know, 90 days to take 120 days, how long does it take to put a contract in place to fulfill these requirements and then we're talking about the start date, right?

983
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:41,170
Right. I would say probably 90 days would be because we're going to have to figure out what areas we can easily do a contract or what we could contract out.

984
01:14:41,650 --> 01:14:48,150
We'll have to go to purchasing, we'll have to bid it out, we'll have to see if we get any bids and then have to start it in probably in the new season.

985
01:14:48,150 --> 01:14:53,290
and we wouldn't be able to start until probably March of next year, we couldn't do anything

986
01:14:53,290 --> 01:14:53,870
with it this year.

987
01:14:54,210 --> 01:14:54,470
Okay.

988
01:14:54,710 --> 01:14:59,590
And that was going to be the last following was, if you don't get a bid, right?

989
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,560
You can't hire anybody. So what's going to happen if you don't get a bid? Who's going to pick up the slack? You guys are going to get a lot of complaints. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Okay. Thank you. Councilman Stretman for Miss LaTerno or just in general about the amendment. It's a little bit of in general, and I'm really not sure if this question will be for you or even if Mr. Smith, I know he's street department, but let me just lead into it with I understand the law process behind the sponsor. The sponsor's amendment, however,

990
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:36,000
However, if I recall correctly, several years ago, we tried to contract out more of these

991
01:15:36,780 --> 01:15:40,740
this type of work and I think we had issue with it and that's why I'm not really sure

992
01:15:40,740 --> 01:15:44,920
if it was you or Mr. Smith can talk about it because I know his department is responsible

993
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:50,560
for a lot of the mowing of right away, but I know we had difficulty in trying to get contractors

994
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:56,140
taking it on and they were rather large projects and then we even kept I think busting it down

995
01:15:56,140 --> 01:16:00,260
and still having difficulty. Can you speak to that or would I need to put that question

996
01:16:00,260 --> 01:16:00,920
to Mr. Smith?

997
01:16:01,060 --> 01:16:06,560
Just from a high level I can speak to the fact that we did divide the mowing contracts

998
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:14,860
as Ms. Luternov said into several areas because one company, one contractor couldn't handle

999
01:16:14,860 --> 01:16:18,400
it to our specifications so we did break it up.

1000
01:16:21,540 --> 01:16:23,400
But these positions do more than just

1001
01:16:25,820 --> 01:16:33,200
And while I get where she's trying to head, it's just, it's, we're kind of at a point where we need to

1002
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:37,600
head bodies to take care of the facilities that we're adding to our inventory.

1003
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:43,560
And we've got a list as long as the nickel shoestring of other parks and facilities we want to add.

1004
01:16:45,300 --> 01:16:46,760
That concludes my report.

1005
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:47,620
That concludes your report.

1006
01:16:47,860 --> 01:16:48,020
All right.

1007
01:16:48,180 --> 01:16:49,680
Councilman Zacharias, you recognize?

1008
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:50,720
Thank you, Mayor.

1009
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:58,340
I'm just going to start off by saying that I do have a direct family member who is

1010
01:16:58,340 --> 01:17:04,260
currently employed as a grounds and facilities maintenance employee with the city since

1011
01:17:04,260 --> 01:17:10,840
this specific amendment affects like growth positions, adding positions.

1012
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:15,240
I don't know if that's a conflict of interest but I just want to make that very clear before

1013
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:16,640
I say what I'm about to say.

1014
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,980
I lived through a time in the army when we did a lot of this.

1015
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:27,660
We converted positions, gate guards, that sort of thing, to contract positions because

1016
01:17:27,660 --> 01:17:34,540
we needed those people, 2003, 2004, the surge, and it made a lot of sense to take some

1017
01:17:34,540 --> 01:17:39,100
of those soldiers off the gates and put them back into positions where they could do what

1018
01:17:39,860 --> 01:17:41,260
they joined the army to do.

1019
01:17:41,260 --> 01:17:44,820
So it was not a cost saving measure by any means.

1020
01:17:44,820 --> 01:17:47,280
It ended up being more expensive for everybody.

1021
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:51,440
And at the time, it wasn't a big deal because it was GWAT.

1022
01:17:51,780 --> 01:17:56,560
And that money was just coming in from Washington.

1023
01:17:57,580 --> 01:17:59,600
We're in a kind of a different situation here.

1024
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:06,640
And I am concerned that an attempt to save money on these positions

1025
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:10,060
is actually going to end up costing more money than it saves.

1026
01:18:10,060 --> 01:18:16,400
plus we lose all of the benefits that these employees provide outside of, you know, mowing

1027
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:22,380
and that sort of thing. So, for that reason, I think I'm going to know on this. Thank

1028
01:18:22,380 --> 01:18:28,960
you. Thank you. To the sponsor, these are the five new positions. Okay, these are not

1029
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:33,480
existing people. Correct. Okay. All right. Thank you. Councilman Brown, you recognize on

1030
01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:39,100
this amendment. Thank you, Mayor. So, my question would be, is, you know, cutting these

1031
01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:46,220
five positions and contracting out the mowing, do we have any kind of idea of how much that contract

1032
01:18:46,220 --> 01:18:51,520
would cost, you know, whether that's going to make up, you know, is it going to save us a thousand,

1033
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:59,680
10,000, 50,000? That's an unknown on this that we don't know if we cut these positions out.

1034
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:07,440
It would purely be speculation or a guess on our part. Based on what Mr. LaTernos said,

1035
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:11,240
that we don't know exactly which parts, facilities,

1036
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,080
properties that would mo, so we'd have to figure that out.

1037
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,940
OK, any other comment or question regarding this amendment?

1038
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:21,900
To the sponsor for closing comments.

1039
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:23,000
The end.

1040
01:19:24,020 --> 01:19:26,500
All right, you heard it here first.

1041
01:19:26,740 --> 01:19:29,820
All right, we're voting on McLaughlin Amendment number five.

1042
01:19:31,340 --> 01:19:33,320
Do you remember please cast your vote?

1043
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:35,480
Do you remember voted?

1044
01:19:35,480 --> 01:19:38,320
Any member who wants to change their vote, Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

1045
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,620
Two yes, ten no, zero abstain.

1046
01:19:41,700 --> 01:19:43,180
Amendment number five fails.

1047
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:44,920
Councilman McLaughlin.

1048
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:50,800
The other amendment I had was related to the health clinic and based on the previous vote.

1049
01:19:50,860 --> 01:19:53,320
I feel like that would be a waste of everybody's time to bring up.

1050
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,660
So I will not bring that up, and I believe that's all that I have for now.

1051
01:19:56,820 --> 01:19:57,280
Thank you.

1052
01:19:57,460 --> 01:19:57,820
Thank you.

1053
01:19:58,840 --> 01:19:59,240
All right.

1054
01:20:01,350 --> 01:20:06,450
Living right along, we're now ready for Councilman Haywood for your amendments.

1055
01:20:06,450 --> 01:20:16,090
your recognized. Thank you mayor. So I first want to say sorry for the few hundred trees that I

1056
01:20:16,090 --> 01:20:25,390
killed in the meeting of my amendments. So I have 30 pieces of paper on each of your desks.

1057
01:20:26,150 --> 01:20:34,930
So if you look at them, there you have eliminate tax increase and then you'll see eliminate tax

1058
01:20:34,930 --> 01:20:41,810
increase option two. If you just want to look at eliminate tax increase and you can put option two aside.

1059
01:20:43,850 --> 01:20:45,730
Give us just a moment to find it.

1060
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:50,410
Like the yellow pages.

1061
01:20:51,070 --> 01:20:54,970
So it just says eliminate tax increase with no option two beside it?

1062
01:20:55,090 --> 01:20:55,450
Yes, sir.

1063
01:20:58,170 --> 01:21:05,120
Option two, I don't think we'll need it. I hope we won't need option one yet.

1064
01:21:05,300 --> 01:21:08,740
I should have said option one, you know, and probably easier to read.

1065
01:21:08,740 --> 01:21:18,580
I'm trying to find it hang on just for oxygen. It started off as one page right then I've put it all on you know each department on one page

1066
01:21:18,580 --> 01:21:27,020
I don't know why so the the your amendment is the amendment description name is eliminate tax increase period right? Yes, sir

1067
01:21:27,020 --> 01:21:33,840
Okay, everybody got that yes, sir. All right. You are recognized on the eliminate tax increase

1068
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:43,100
Yeah, just just eliminate just an increase. Yeah, option two is no, hang on a second. What's the question?

1069
01:21:48,460 --> 01:21:49,600
Everybody got it

1070
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:56,300
Okay, you recognize councilman Haywood. Okay, so the first department would be the legislative administrative

1071
01:21:56,300 --> 01:21:59,660
I proposed to decrease it by 15,000.

1072
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:06,280
I

1073
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:07,160
I guess a motion.

1074
01:22:08,380 --> 01:22:09,460
Thank you for lack of a second.

1075
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,980
You're recognized on your next amendment.

1076
01:22:12,460 --> 01:22:16,140
Building codes, board, zoning appeals, decreased by a million,

1077
01:22:16,540 --> 01:22:20,740
delay three of five new hires, reduce vehicle equipment and upgrades.

1078
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:23,120
I hope you're liking a second.

1079
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,400
Okay, it's properly seconded, it's in front of us now.

1080
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:31,020
You're recognized councilman Haywood for an explanation.

1081
01:22:31,020 --> 01:22:36,520
So I just wanted to delay three of the five new hires and reduce the vehicle equipment

1082
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:37,220
in upgrades.

1083
01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:39,120
That was it.

1084
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:39,560
Okay.

1085
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,660
Councilman Streetman, you're recognized on the Haywood Amendment.

1086
01:22:42,660 --> 01:22:45,060
We're calling this amendment two.

1087
01:22:45,460 --> 01:22:46,100
Thank you, Mayor.

1088
01:22:47,300 --> 01:22:47,680
I'm sorry.

1089
01:22:48,540 --> 01:22:49,200
Six B.

1090
01:22:50,060 --> 01:22:50,380
Okay.

1091
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:51,000
I'm sorry.

1092
01:22:51,140 --> 01:22:51,440
Thank you.

1093
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:52,380
Thank you, Mayor.

1094
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:59,000
First of all, we're talking about a million dollars here and I know it says delay three of

1095
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:00,900
five new hires reduce vehicle

1096
01:23:00,900 --> 01:23:03,760
equipment upgrades. I just as a reminder,

1097
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,480
we actually don't get true line item approval.

1098
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,920
What you're doing is taking a million away from

1099
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:11,840
the building and codes budget.

1100
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,080
And then we've hired the directors to decide

1101
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,420
how their funds are utilized in their budget.

1102
01:23:17,940 --> 01:23:22,060
So it's to my understanding because I did have

1103
01:23:22,060 --> 01:23:23,780
some department heads reach out to me

1104
01:23:23,780 --> 01:23:27,800
in this list of 30 that we have here.

1105
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:34,100
I believe you just contacted them today to find out their feedback on the cuts to the

1106
01:23:34,100 --> 01:23:34,340
budget.

1107
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:34,900
Is that correct?

1108
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:35,460
That's correct.

1109
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:40,780
So you know we had budget meetings just a few weeks ago to where all of their budgets

1110
01:23:40,780 --> 01:23:42,540
were presented to us in detail.

1111
01:23:42,780 --> 01:23:45,920
It was a great opportunity to attend and ask questions.

1112
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:52,800
Was there a reason why you chose to utilize tonight or today to do it versus actually attending

1113
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:58,080
those meetings and talking to the department heads prior to throwing this all

1114
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,880
out to them today. No there wasn't a reason.

1115
01:24:02,180 --> 01:24:05,020
Okay that's a good answer. So what

1116
01:24:05,020 --> 01:24:08,960
kind of feedback did you get from building and codes is what a million would

1117
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:12,900
do to their departments? I don't think I don't know if building and codes got back

1118
01:24:12,900 --> 01:24:16,800
to me. Did you call them and see if you could talk to them? I didn't get off work till

1119
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:22,300
3.30. I myself didn't get off work until 4 o'clock but I managed to be able to

1120
01:24:22,300 --> 01:24:26,240
reach out and talk to him and I will say that our department heads are readily available

1121
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,180
for us to reach out and talk to them anytime.

1122
01:24:28,660 --> 01:24:33,360
Not just today but in the, I think it's been four or five weeks since we've had these

1123
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,220
budget meetings and had this information before us.

1124
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:42,160
I know from talking to Mr. Crosby that a million dollar hit to his budget means he's not

1125
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:47,500
going to be able to hire any of the new people that he has requested from us and there's a

1126
01:24:47,500 --> 01:24:54,540
a good chance that or it's very likely that he would actually lose some of the current employees that he has here has with him now.

1127
01:24:54,760 --> 01:25:02,020
So that's going to be a severe reduction in services from the building and codes department to be able to verify.

1128
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:16,160
And that would more than likely come from the people that are out there looking to verify everything that we've talked about with the restore clerksful movement because we can't not inspect buildings to ensure that they're safe.

1129
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:19,940
but everything else that we're putting on them and asking them to be able to do.

1130
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:37,920
So I mean I think my advice not only now but in the future is I think it would be good to actually talk to the department heads earlier than day of when you're talking about making such a hit to their budgets because it's that's a substantial and especially when you think about losing employees and losing

1131
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:42,280
the ability for building codes to be able to enforce the laws that we're

1132
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:46,640
sitting up here and asking them to enforce. So I'll be voting against this with

1133
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:52,260
ease. Councilor McLaughlin, I'll come back to you that Councilman McLaughlin you're

1134
01:25:52,260 --> 01:25:57,860
recognized. Thank you Mary, I know it's a tongue twister. So I'm against this in

1135
01:25:57,860 --> 01:26:02,460
first several reasons one of which we currently have five codes enforcement

1136
01:26:02,460 --> 01:26:07,480
officers for the whole city of Clarksville. They have not had this staffing to

1137
01:26:07,480 --> 01:26:10,860
to be able to be self-initiate codes violations.

1138
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,500
They've strictly been running off at complaints

1139
01:26:13,500 --> 01:26:17,000
that people call in for dilapidated structures,

1140
01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:20,540
cars parking on grass, tall grass, et cetera.

1141
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:24,200
And I don't know about you, but one of my top five calls

1142
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:27,080
I get from constituents is codes violations.

1143
01:26:28,740 --> 01:26:30,840
The mayor and Justin worked together

1144
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,160
to bring these new positions forward

1145
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:36,560
so that we can get on top of making our city

1146
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:42,180
We look better as a previous spokesperson mentioned, part of the Resurring Clarksville

1147
01:26:42,180 --> 01:26:46,240
initiative, improved property brings more property taxes.

1148
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:48,760
It makes people feel proud about where they live.

1149
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:53,460
It also, hopefully, in the major parts of Clarksville, and the main corridors will encourage

1150
01:26:53,460 --> 01:26:55,260
people to invest in businesses there.

1151
01:26:55,820 --> 01:27:00,740
And we can't continue to operate a city R size with five codes of enforcement officers.

1152
01:27:01,220 --> 01:27:02,300
It's not going to work.

1153
01:27:02,300 --> 01:27:07,980
work. So I ask that you please vote this down. In a perfect world we'd have a code

1154
01:27:07,980 --> 01:27:13,540
enforcement officer for every ward, but this is a star and this will help the department

1155
01:27:13,540 --> 01:27:20,120
be able to continue to work with property owners to have property owners tear down dilapidated

1156
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:25,560
buildings at the property owner's expense, not the taxpayer's expense. Four buildings

1157
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:31,060
in four months was an amazing feat by this department and they've done so much with so

1158
01:27:31,060 --> 01:27:35,140
little staff. We need to continue to support that to help our city look better.

1159
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:38,620
People will feel proud about where they live and where we are. Thank you.

1160
01:27:38,940 --> 01:27:42,440
Councilman Chicana, you're recognized. Yes, Mayor. I have a question for the

1161
01:27:42,440 --> 01:27:46,660
director of the building and codes if I may. All right. With that objection, Mr.

1162
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:47,100
Crosby.

1163
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,520
Councilman Chicana, you're recognized. Yes, thank you, Mayor. Mr. Crosby.

1164
01:27:52,660 --> 01:27:57,920
Yes, sir. I know we have five code enforcement offices. In your your

1165
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:01,720
profession, what do you feel is the true number? The true number. Not was not

1166
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:06,260
not what's here right these five new hires but what's the true number because again as the previous

1167
01:28:06,260 --> 01:28:11,280
council member alluded to man that seems like that's the number two call right it's it's codes

1168
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:15,440
codes violations right and everybody wants something to be done and they said well your department can't

1169
01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:22,320
do it so what do you what do you really need to be able to enforce these codes in my opinion and we

1170
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:31,320
went over this during the yes the meetings we've had previously we ran about 30 to 40,000

1171
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:37,280
inspections last year with five code officers. That's a tremendous amount of work. But what

1172
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:44,280
that means is I have to do it faster. I can't do it better if I'm doing it faster. So we can

1173
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:49,740
whittle it down. A million dollar cut gets rid of code enforcement period. The folks we have on

1174
01:28:49,740 --> 01:28:58,400
staff now that we can't keep them with a million dollar cut. So code enforcement goes away with this

1175
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:05,320
if it's a help. The true number in my honest opinion is about 30 code officers to take

1176
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:10,320
care of the city. In a way, I'm proud for it. So we work hard, but I'm from Clarksville.

1177
01:29:10,500 --> 01:29:15,480
I'm born and raised here. I know what it can look like. I know how hard these guys work.

1178
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:24,180
You give me two code officers per ward. Be a proud place to go home. So we're grateful

1179
01:29:24,180 --> 01:29:30,860
for the staff we have. These guys work so hard. I can't even tell you, their heart is in it.

1180
01:29:31,260 --> 01:29:36,260
You don't go to a lot of other places and find heart. Yes, you can get people to come to work.

1181
01:29:36,740 --> 01:29:41,220
That's not a problem. To get the heart that we've been able to get in our office with our code

1182
01:29:41,220 --> 01:29:46,560
and portion of the staff is tremendous. You guys know, y'all deal with them. Their heart is here.

1183
01:29:48,380 --> 01:29:53,820
Thank you. Mary, I just wanted to clarify that because, like I said, that's the number two call.

1184
01:29:53,820 --> 01:29:59,880
Every seems like four or five times a week somebody's calling send the fire complaint code is not doing it

1185
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:27,640
You know, they're not acting fast enough. Can you please follow up, right? And even my neighbor, he cuts half of his yard, right? The part is between him and I, right? So I don't call code, but the other side, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't really want to cut it. So, so I understand. Yeah, but I just want to clarify that. Thank you, mayor. Thank you, Mr. Crosby. Councilman Brown on this amendment. So looking at this, you know, this may and it also says, reduce vehicle and equipment upgrades.

1186
01:30:28,580 --> 01:30:34,580
is there specific pieces that we're wanting to cut with this?

1187
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,240
Because that's a 25% of his budget.

1188
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:41,320
I mean his budget is 4 million is what they've requested totally.

1189
01:30:41,860 --> 01:30:50,040
It does double his number of staff but that's just a million dollars out of a 4 million dollar budget.

1190
01:30:50,380 --> 01:30:54,120
That's 25% of it, it's just quite a bit.

1191
01:30:54,620 --> 01:30:55,580
It's a big leg.

1192
01:30:56,940 --> 01:31:02,160
Councilman Holloman you're recognized. Thank you Mayor. So I just wanted to address something

1193
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:08,020
I heard and one of the arguments talk about line item approval and and you're right like the

1194
01:31:08,020 --> 01:31:15,240
city council cannot do line item approval but but the department head should understand intent you know

1195
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:21,560
and the thing is to like the mayor the mayor the department heads boss is the mayor so if you

1196
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:25,060
You can convince the mayor, everyone votes in unison on something with the understanding

1197
01:31:25,060 --> 01:31:29,540
that this money is going towards this, or the reduction of this money is going towards

1198
01:31:29,540 --> 01:31:29,840
this.

1199
01:31:30,580 --> 01:31:33,220
I mean, I think the message should be conveyed.

1200
01:31:34,020 --> 01:31:42,040
Sometimes I wonder, like, do we represent Clarksville, do we represent our wards, or do we represent

1201
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:48,320
the department heads, because it just seems like a lot of times, like the decisions, that's

1202
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:52,080
That's the real weight with the decisions, but that's all gone.

1203
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:52,980
I just want to get that off much.

1204
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:53,100
Yes.

1205
01:31:53,220 --> 01:31:53,580
Thank you.

1206
01:31:54,100 --> 01:31:56,640
Any more comment or question regarding this amendment?

1207
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,880
Councilman Haywood, you're recognized for final thoughts on your amendment.

1208
01:32:00,100 --> 01:32:00,680
That's all I've got there.

1209
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:01,420
Thank you.

1210
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:02,400
All right.

1211
01:32:02,580 --> 01:32:08,040
We're now voting on the Haywood Amendment 6B to ordinance 97.

1212
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:09,800
Every member voted.

1213
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,220
Any member wish to change their vote?

1214
01:32:12,380 --> 01:32:13,720
Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

1215
01:32:14,460 --> 01:32:15,080
One yes.

1216
01:32:15,380 --> 01:32:15,660
11.

1217
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:16,080
Zero.

1218
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:20,280
The first amendment fails, Councilman Haywood, you're recognized on the next amendment.

1219
01:32:20,540 --> 01:32:23,520
It seems like the rest will fail for lack of second, so I'm getting there.

1220
01:32:24,020 --> 01:32:24,300
Okay.

1221
01:32:25,260 --> 01:32:30,380
We'll now ready for Councilman Lovato, we're up to you.

1222
01:32:33,220 --> 01:32:33,940
I'm sorry.

1223
01:32:34,780 --> 01:32:36,880
Help if I turn your mic on, you're recognized.

1224
01:32:38,300 --> 01:32:39,180
Thank you, sir.

1225
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:46,600
The first amendment is for the other city-funded agencies.

1226
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:50,700
for the Custom House Senior Center in HRC Reductions.

1227
01:32:53,610 --> 01:32:53,890
Okay.

1228
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:55,530
That's my notion.

1229
01:32:55,930 --> 01:32:56,190
All right.

1230
01:32:56,430 --> 01:32:58,270
Motion been made and properly seconded

1231
01:32:58,270 --> 01:33:00,910
in favor of the Labato Amendment clerk,

1232
01:33:00,910 --> 01:33:02,310
which number is this?

1233
01:33:02,470 --> 01:33:03,710
Seven. All right.

1234
01:33:04,070 --> 01:33:05,510
You're recognized for an explanation.

1235
01:33:06,430 --> 01:33:06,930
Thank you.

1236
01:33:07,130 --> 01:33:09,010
So this is a reduction to

1237
01:33:09,010 --> 01:33:12,870
and free of our other city-funded agencies.

1238
01:33:13,310 --> 01:33:15,990
The first one is the Custom House Museum.

1239
01:33:15,990 --> 01:33:20,730
And we'll have to adjust this number for the previous amendment.

1240
01:33:21,430 --> 01:33:35,270
But in total reducing their budget by $300,888 to bring their total budget to $780,198.

1241
01:33:36,050 --> 01:33:42,950
And the reason for that was very similar to what a previous amendment had stated.

1242
01:33:42,950 --> 01:33:52,350
When we looked at the budget during the budget review meetings, there's a lot of issues and

1243
01:33:52,350 --> 01:34:00,110
concerns that I have specifically with the Custom House and the exorbit percentage

1244
01:34:00,110 --> 01:34:03,510
of tax dollars that they need to continue to operate.

1245
01:34:04,250 --> 01:34:11,930
So reducing this, I'm hoping that they will change their business strategy.

1246
01:34:11,930 --> 01:34:21,930
The next one for the Senior Citizen Center, reducing that by $44,000 to match their budget

1247
01:34:21,930 --> 01:34:29,690
from last year, they do amazing things for our community, but they're another entity

1248
01:34:29,690 --> 01:34:34,590
that needs to be driven by the people who utilize their services.

1249
01:34:35,530 --> 01:34:40,350
And we need to start weaning some of these organizations off the taxpayer dollar.

1250
01:34:40,350 --> 01:34:48,710
The HRC organization reducing their amount by $28,400.

1251
01:34:49,490 --> 01:34:57,150
So if you look at their budget, there are many of their line item activities

1252
01:34:57,150 --> 01:35:02,830
that they don't have a dollar amount, they just have a 2B determined amount next to it.

1253
01:35:03,410 --> 01:35:09,710
And so I don't think that it is good stewards of our taxpayer dollars to give money out

1254
01:35:09,710 --> 01:35:14,510
that is to be determined and really no explanation of what they're going to be using that for.

1255
01:35:15,110 --> 01:35:18,310
So that is the explanation.

1256
01:35:18,990 --> 01:35:19,450
All right.

1257
01:35:19,630 --> 01:35:22,010
You've heard the explanation of the amendment.

1258
01:35:22,230 --> 01:35:27,010
Councilman Zachary, I should recognize on the Lovato amendment number seven.

1259
01:35:28,670 --> 01:35:30,010
Thank you, Mayor.

1260
01:35:31,130 --> 01:35:35,110
So my comments are specifically for the Custom House Museum.

1261
01:35:36,030 --> 01:35:43,710
I too was a little frustrated when I was reviewing the Custom House budget.

1262
01:35:44,670 --> 01:35:55,290
For those that maybe aren't sitting up here and don't know, we get a page that kind of lists accomplishments in the last year, goals for the upcoming year, that sort of thing.

1263
01:35:55,390 --> 01:36:04,290
And when I compared Custom House Museums document that showed what their goals were, what they accomplished last year.

1264
01:36:04,790 --> 01:36:08,810
From this year's budget, it was identical to the one from last year's budget.

1265
01:36:09,550 --> 01:36:16,250
So, to me, it kind of feels like there's no attempt to grow.

1266
01:36:17,430 --> 01:36:25,370
That being said, I do think that there is a place for publicly funded things like museums

1267
01:36:25,370 --> 01:36:28,990
and parks and rec. That sort of thing, that stuff is important to a community.

1268
01:36:28,990 --> 01:36:35,150
I've made my comments about that a couple of years ago when we were talking about Wings

1269
01:36:35,150 --> 01:36:35,810
of Liberty Museum.

1270
01:36:36,570 --> 01:36:42,190
I think one of the greatest things that our nation's capital has to offer is the Smithsonian

1271
01:36:42,190 --> 01:36:52,110
and all of these other incredible opportunities to really dive into our history.

1272
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:58,750
I'm going to, I'm going to offer an amendment to this, okay?

1273
01:36:58,990 --> 01:37:07,250
I am satisfied with the decrease that we have already passed by amendment today.

1274
01:37:08,590 --> 01:37:17,410
So I'm going to propose that we amend this amount, this decrease from this amendment.

1275
01:37:17,690 --> 01:37:20,250
I will write the Zach Royce amendment on the top of my copy.

1276
01:37:20,250 --> 01:37:22,110
We crossed out that first line to make it please.

1277
01:37:25,730 --> 01:37:31,130
But with the statement that when we do this again next year,

1278
01:37:31,450 --> 01:37:35,470
I'm going to be looking really hard at goals, accomplishments.

1279
01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:40,330
And I would like to see the money that we,

1280
01:37:40,530 --> 01:37:44,210
so we're already providing the lease to the customs house.

1281
01:37:44,350 --> 01:37:49,850
I would like to see the funds that we give to the custom house

1282
01:37:49,850 --> 01:37:56,670
It's part of this budget process to be somewhat tied to what they bring in in donations

1283
01:37:56,670 --> 01:37:57,750
from the previous year.

1284
01:37:58,010 --> 01:38:03,810
If we can encourage them to step up fundraising efforts, we can show our appreciation

1285
01:38:03,810 --> 01:38:06,230
by matching those funds.

1286
01:38:06,650 --> 01:38:11,490
But I am not in favor of such a significant cut at this time.

1287
01:38:11,710 --> 01:38:12,970
Like I said, I think we need to send a message.

1288
01:38:13,090 --> 01:38:14,070
I think I've just done that.

1289
01:38:14,070 --> 01:38:21,390
And that is something that I would like to look at next year, that's all.

1290
01:38:22,150 --> 01:38:23,430
So are you making?

1291
01:38:23,570 --> 01:38:29,350
Yes, I'm making a motion to amend with the Zacharias amendment.

1292
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:39,440
Then we will make copies of Zacharias amendment to the Lobato Amendment and distribute that before

1293
01:38:39,440 --> 01:38:41,240
we move any further.

1294
01:38:41,860 --> 01:38:43,040
I'll second his motion.

1295
01:38:43,820 --> 01:38:45,100
Thank you.

1296
01:39:27,930 --> 01:39:28,810
Thank you.

1297
01:39:29,090 --> 01:39:29,230
Thank you.

1298
01:39:29,410 --> 01:39:29,590
Thank you.

1299
01:39:38,980 --> 01:39:41,900
It's just eliminating it.

1300
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:48,380
Does everybody have a copy of the Zacharias Amendment?

1301
01:39:49,380 --> 01:39:51,520
Some number, whatever it is.

1302
01:39:55,990 --> 01:39:57,890
We're going to get an explanation here in a second.

1303
01:39:57,890 --> 01:39:59,550
Okay. Another one, I should say.

1304
01:40:05,810 --> 01:40:06,670
I've got one.

1305
01:40:11,980 --> 01:40:12,380
Okay.

1306
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:17,200
The posture we're in is that Councilman Zacharias has proposed an amendment to the

1307
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:21,680
Lovato amendment, and I'm going to come back to the sponsor of the amendment to the

1308
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:22,840
amendment for an explanation.

1309
01:40:23,700 --> 01:40:24,100
Yes.

1310
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:24,580
Thank you, Mayor.

1311
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:35,320
All I'm doing is amending the Lovato amendment by eliminating the $388 decrease to the

1312
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:37,000
the Custom House Museum budget.

1313
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:41,760
The other two decreases would remain.

1314
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:44,580
Okay, all right.

1315
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:46,600
Councilman McLaughlin, you're recognized

1316
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:50,020
on the Zacharias Amendment to the Lovato Amendment.

1317
01:40:50,300 --> 01:40:52,160
Okay, if not to complicate things more,

1318
01:40:52,260 --> 01:40:55,280
I'd like to divide this into three separate motions.

1319
01:40:56,620 --> 01:40:56,780
Second.

1320
01:40:57,140 --> 01:40:59,980
Okay, motion been made to divide the question,

1321
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:04,840
which is to divide the three items in this amendment

1322
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:10,800
into three different votes, properly seconded, any commoner question regarding the motion

1323
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:11,480
to divide.

1324
01:41:11,700 --> 01:41:17,320
Where all we're doing is simply deciding to divide the question into three separate votes.

1325
01:41:18,580 --> 01:41:23,340
Councilman Stretman, on the motion to divide the question?

1326
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:24,940
No?

1327
01:41:26,620 --> 01:41:29,440
Councilman Chikineb, on the motion to divide the question.

1328
01:41:29,620 --> 01:41:30,780
No, we're not going to divide the question.

1329
01:41:30,940 --> 01:41:31,280
Okay.

1330
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:33,920
I won't take you out of line, okay.

1331
01:41:35,480 --> 01:41:38,840
All right, any comment or question regarding the motion

1332
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,220
and properly seconded to divide the question?

1333
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:42,680
We're gonna be voting on each one

1334
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:44,520
of these reductions individually.

1335
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:47,660
Madam Clark, I don't know how you're keeping up with it.

1336
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:49,340
I'm thankful you're doing it.

1337
01:41:50,700 --> 01:41:52,240
Just let me know when you're ready.

1338
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:56,820
And we'll be voting on the first reduction,

1339
01:41:57,900 --> 01:41:59,480
which is the Customs House Museum.

1340
01:42:02,030 --> 01:42:14,110
We have to, I'm sorry, thank you. That's why we have the clerk. Okay, we're voting to divide the question. So all in favor of approving the dividing of the question of the three separate votes.

1341
01:42:14,130 --> 01:42:20,550
Please register your vote. Have you remember voted? Any member wish to change their vote? Madam clerk, please take the vote.

1342
01:42:20,550 --> 01:42:26,890
12 yes there are no zero abstain now we're we have just approved dividing the

1343
01:42:26,890 --> 01:42:34,150
question we're on the custom customs house museum reduction councilman

1344
01:42:35,690 --> 01:42:40,430
she councilman's treatment on that one okay you're recognized on the

1345
01:42:40,430 --> 01:42:45,550
customs house museum question thank you mayor I appreciate this being brought

1346
01:42:45,550 --> 01:42:48,550
forward and appreciate what was said but I'm actually in agreement with the

1347
01:42:48,550 --> 01:42:53,810
earlier speaker. I do in regard to not quite prepared to take that big of a

1348
01:42:53,810 --> 01:42:57,890
head. I do know how important it is to our community and I know we're also

1349
01:42:57,890 --> 01:43:02,790
responsible for some of that and that many many many years ago it was determined

1350
01:43:02,790 --> 01:43:08,230
that the county is responsible for the library. We're responsible for the

1351
01:43:08,230 --> 01:43:12,930
customs house museum. So I know there's responsibilities on us for that and I

1352
01:43:12,930 --> 01:43:16,690
learned about that myself many years ago when I served on the guild and learned a

1353
01:43:16,690 --> 01:43:24,470
about the Customshouse Museum from that aspect, but I do agree as well that please take note

1354
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:31,190
of this that really needs to be looked at how much is being requested from us, and I would

1355
01:43:31,190 --> 01:43:37,130
like to see that request to us be less next year, and not just in regards to the benefits

1356
01:43:37,130 --> 01:43:42,850
that we discussed, but everything, please look for ways that you can come to us less for funding

1357
01:43:42,850 --> 01:43:47,070
being because that's quite a bit that we are putting that way and since that was money

1358
01:43:47,070 --> 01:43:54,450
that was unfortunately not at the time chosen to go into the act authority and now we

1359
01:43:54,450 --> 01:43:59,390
don't have the ability to add them to the act authority so it's unfortunate that we couldn't

1360
01:43:59,390 --> 01:44:05,270
take this off of our plates as it was but that is what it is so I at this time I'm going

1361
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:09,110
to be voting no against this but again please take note of it for next year.

1362
01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:10,970
Councilor Mr. Keenam.

1363
01:44:11,470 --> 01:44:11,750
Thank you.

1364
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:19,510
I just want to say that the museum with this director, they do a lot to try to, you

1365
01:44:19,510 --> 01:44:21,010
know, balance their books and raise money.

1366
01:44:21,430 --> 01:44:26,230
They have the flying high fundraiser every year, and they work extra hard to try to

1367
01:44:26,230 --> 01:44:31,710
get that, get the membership up throughout the year, and donors, but of course, just like

1368
01:44:31,710 --> 01:44:37,550
any entity, we can always do better, so I'm quite sure this will serve notice to the leadership

1369
01:44:37,550 --> 01:44:45,870
team over there to kind of figure out how they're going to improve and if they reach out to us, hopefully we'll be willing to assist them in improving their platform. Thank you, Mayor.

1370
01:44:46,530 --> 01:44:48,050
Councilman Lovato, you're recognized.

1371
01:44:48,890 --> 01:44:49,690
Thank you, Mayor.

1372
01:44:52,030 --> 01:44:59,650
Yes, the city does need publicly funded entities in the museum has their part in that.

1373
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,980
But if you look at their budget, if you look at the income that they bring in in total, it is a little over $1.8 million. They are requesting from the city $1,081,086. The majority of their budget does come from the city. So is it a hefty decrease? Yes, it is. But it is much needed because they are relying heavily on the

1374
01:45:29,980 --> 01:45:38,020
tax payer dollars and I want to remind you all the atmosphere of the financial situation

1375
01:45:38,020 --> 01:45:40,660
of our taxpayers and our constituents.

1376
01:45:42,440 --> 01:45:49,780
So when we're looking at trying to decrease the tax rate and to get it lower, these

1377
01:45:49,780 --> 01:45:54,380
organizations should be the first ones that we cut from instead of our departments.

1378
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:55,240
Thank you.

1379
01:45:56,520 --> 01:46:00,960
Councilman streetman, you're recognized. Mayor, I would like to ask, and I think this

1380
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:06,460
might be the right place to do this, but every month the all of our departments have

1381
01:46:06,460 --> 01:46:11,560
to present their budgets to us on a monthly basis at the Finance Committee meeting.

1382
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:17,520
I would like to be, and I think the rest of the Finance Committee would probably be supportive

1383
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:22,740
of this, I would like these other entities to also have to present to us, maybe not on

1384
01:46:22,740 --> 01:46:28,940
a monthly basis and extend the meeting but at least maybe on a quarterly basis so that

1385
01:46:28,940 --> 01:46:35,280
we are able to see it as the year goes on. Is this the appropriate time to make that suggestion?

1386
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:40,740
Well we won't put it in the form of a motion but I will make that a requirement of these funded

1387
01:46:40,740 --> 01:46:46,300
agencies that they will report to us on a regular basis and we'll determine what that is.

1388
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:49,720
All right thank you sir. Sure, thank you. Any other comment or question? Councilman Brown,

1389
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:59,160
You recognize so we're not on an amendment on an amendment. Are we now we're on we're on simply on the customs house museum reduction

1390
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:01,600
question, so

1391
01:47:02,510 --> 01:47:04,480
I'd like to make an amendment to

1392
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:06,080
removing the

1393
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:07,880
instead of just

1394
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:09,500
taking them off to

1395
01:47:10,370 --> 01:47:19,060
amend it from $300,000 reduction to just $100,000 deduction, can we do that?

1396
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:25,720
You heard the motion, Councilman Zacharias, point of order, what's the point?

1397
01:47:28,730 --> 01:47:37,610
Because the amendment, my amendment, to reduce that number to zero past, what's in front of us is to...

1398
01:47:38,830 --> 01:47:41,330
Hang on a second. Let him finish the question. Go ahead.

1399
01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:43,870
I'm sorry. It sounds like I'm out of work.

1400
01:47:44,370 --> 01:47:51,270
Okay. We are part of me. We divided the question, taking them one at a time.

1401
01:47:51,270 --> 01:47:57,810
Okay, and we're on the customs house museum reduction of $300,000, $888.

1402
01:47:57,850 --> 01:47:59,250
Okay, so we did not vote.

1403
01:47:59,610 --> 01:48:01,930
We have not yet voted on that.

1404
01:48:01,990 --> 01:48:03,950
Okay, so we voted on a list and then it's...

1405
01:48:03,950 --> 01:48:06,410
Yeah, it's been a long afternoon.

1406
01:48:06,670 --> 01:48:10,730
Okay, so back to Councilman Bryan, your...

1407
01:48:10,730 --> 01:48:13,230
Please restate your amendment to the amendment.

1408
01:48:13,570 --> 01:48:20,710
So my amendment would be to change it from the $300,000,000 to a $100,000

1409
01:48:20,710 --> 01:48:29,050
dollar reduction in their budget, which will be about 10% of their budget instead of the

1410
01:48:29,050 --> 01:48:30,650
30% reduction.

1411
01:48:31,150 --> 01:48:31,370
Okay.

1412
01:48:31,550 --> 01:48:36,950
You've heard the motion for the amendment, the Brown amendment to the question of the

1413
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:38,950
point of order.

1414
01:48:46,440 --> 01:48:53,240
We voted to divide the question, which is taking each one of these three items individually.

1415
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:58,020
And am I right, Mr. Bittner, I'm sorry, okay.

1416
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:08,300
So to restate, we voted to divide the question, which is the Zacharias amendment,

1417
01:49:12,260 --> 01:49:12,760
but we had

1418
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:19,020
a motion to divide the question, instead of eliminating the Customs House Museum reduction,

1419
01:49:19,780 --> 01:49:25,260
the motion was made by Councilman McLaughlin to divide the question into three.

1420
01:49:25,260 --> 01:49:27,920
So we're voting on each one of those individually.

1421
01:49:30,740 --> 01:49:35,820
I key made his amendment, but we printed out that we have not voted on yet.

1422
01:49:36,140 --> 01:49:39,660
Which is, we're taking his amendment, which was divided into three.

1423
01:49:41,260 --> 01:49:41,900
No.

1424
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:42,980
Yes.

1425
01:49:44,740 --> 01:49:45,380
Okay.

1426
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:46,640
Did you amend the amendment?

1427
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:58,120
So we, Councilman Zacharias made the motion to amend the McLaughlin amendment, excuse me,

1428
01:49:58,120 --> 01:50:05,290
to eliminate the customs house museum from your reduction.

1429
01:50:05,950 --> 01:50:08,010
Yes, and we have not voted on that.

1430
01:50:08,190 --> 01:50:10,970
Now he's trying to amend his amendment to my amendment.

1431
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:12,890
Then the motion.

1432
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:15,550
Mr. Bittner, if you don't mind.

1433
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:23,950
This is the worst kind of electrical diagram you can imagine.

1434
01:50:25,390 --> 01:50:27,530
Mr. Bittner, please correct me.

1435
01:50:27,530 --> 01:50:35,850
Okay, so the way I was tracking this was, we, Councilman Zacharias did his amendment to the

1436
01:50:35,850 --> 01:50:40,570
amendment which was then split into three questions, so then we were going to vote those

1437
01:50:40,570 --> 01:50:44,670
three questions, we're already on the amendment to the amendment which will limit it to two,

1438
01:50:44,910 --> 01:50:53,270
so then Councilman Brown's would wait until we deal with Councilman Zacharias, amendment

1439
01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:54,670
to the amendment.

1440
01:50:54,670 --> 01:51:04,170
By understanding you restate that for the senior citizens and yes, we should I think the way I track that

1441
01:51:05,050 --> 01:51:06,650
We should handle

1442
01:51:07,370 --> 01:51:14,750
Excuse me councilman Zacharias's amendment to the amendment in three different questions because it's split three different ways

1443
01:51:15,310 --> 01:51:21,510
Prior to the time that we allow councilman Brown to do his amendment. Okay, everybody tracking

1444
01:51:22,230 --> 01:51:24,890
Thank you, Councilman Lovato for straightening it out.

1445
01:51:25,630 --> 01:51:27,310
Councilman Brown will come back to you.

1446
01:51:27,950 --> 01:51:33,610
All right, we're on the question of the Customs House Museum reduction.

1447
01:51:33,930 --> 01:51:36,670
Councilman McLaughlin, do you wish to be recognized on that?

1448
01:51:37,590 --> 01:51:38,370
No, sorry.

1449
01:51:38,790 --> 01:51:41,110
Okay, don't apologize, all right.

1450
01:51:41,830 --> 01:51:49,210
Okay, we're now voting on the question of the reduction of the Customs House Museum

1451
01:51:50,250 --> 01:51:52,910
by the 300,888.

1452
01:51:55,530 --> 01:52:03,150
Are we square? No? Hang on a second. I'm sorry. Zero.

1453
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:06,980
Oh, to eliminate

1454
01:52:06,980 --> 01:52:13,020
the reduction. Okay. Everybody understand? But me?

1455
01:52:16,660 --> 01:52:19,060
Okay. Everybody know what we're voting

1456
01:52:19,060 --> 01:52:24,180
on? Somebody explain it. All right. Every member, please cast your vote.

1457
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:27,070
Every member

1458
01:52:27,070 --> 01:52:28,270
Revoted a

1459
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:36,860
remember voted any member wish to change their vote now. I'm clerk. Please take the vote

1460
01:52:37,460 --> 01:52:42,340
Six yes five no one abstain. All right it passes whatever it was. Okay

1461
01:52:42,340 --> 01:52:42,800
All

1462
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:51,780
right, let me let me make sure I'm I'm getting it right here. Mr. Bettner helped me out here phone a friend

1463
01:52:56,980 --> 01:53:03,480
So we're now on question two which is the reduction of the senior center by 44,000 dollars

1464
01:53:03,480 --> 01:53:09,460
hereby squaring anybody wish to be recognized on that question, Councilman McLaughlin on that question.

1465
01:53:09,740 --> 01:53:18,760
Thank you Mayor. Just I appreciate trying to reduce spending 200%. But a lot of the people that

1466
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:25,360
visit the senior center wouldn't eat if they didn't have the senior center. There's so many challenges

1467
01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:33,460
there that they have added dinners for the low income people. And I remember during the budget

1468
01:53:33,460 --> 01:53:39,760
presentation, the director talked about how she took a lower director rate because her

1469
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:43,240
mission was about getting the senior center up and running.

1470
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:47,520
So she's the lowest paid director out of all of the nonprofits that receive funding

1471
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:51,080
from us by, I think, $45,000, $50,000.

1472
01:53:52,460 --> 01:53:57,320
So I would not be in favor of reducing the senior centers funding.

1473
01:53:58,360 --> 01:54:02,120
Councilman Stretman on the Senior Center funding reduction.

1474
01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:04,220
Yes, I agree with the previous speaker.

1475
01:54:04,440 --> 01:54:06,900
I went for their open house here just recently.

1476
01:54:08,020 --> 01:54:10,360
It's wonderful food that they fix there.

1477
01:54:10,540 --> 01:54:14,740
And I would encourage any of our seniors out there that are in need of a place to go,

1478
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:18,720
as well as to be able to get some additional meals.

1479
01:54:19,180 --> 01:54:20,780
That's a wonderful place to be able to do it.

1480
01:54:20,860 --> 01:54:24,640
And with dinners being something they've just recently added,

1481
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:30,960
This would eliminate it right back out of there, and they are trying to grow the number of people that they're able to serve in our community.

1482
01:54:31,540 --> 01:54:35,320
So I do, like I said, this one is one I'll have to vote against.

1483
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:37,600
Councilman Lovato, you're recognized.

1484
01:54:38,020 --> 01:54:38,460
Thank you, Mayor.

1485
01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:45,200
Reducing their budget is not a slight at the services that they provide.

1486
01:54:45,460 --> 01:54:52,820
Yes, it is much needed in our community, but these organizations need to find other sources of revenue.

1487
01:54:52,820 --> 01:54:59,580
And if we keep giving them the same amounts and the same increases year over year, they're

1488
01:54:59,580 --> 01:55:01,120
not working to be self-sufficient.

1489
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:07,560
Now, I come in the senior center and the director for taking her pay cut, but it doesn't

1490
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:08,400
stop there.

1491
01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:13,980
We need to do more funding fundraising and we need to find other sources of revenue for

1492
01:55:13,980 --> 01:55:14,260
them.

1493
01:55:14,820 --> 01:55:15,380
That's all I have.

1494
01:55:15,540 --> 01:55:15,800
Thank you.

1495
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:20,440
Any more comment or question regarding the question of reducing the senior center funding?

1496
01:55:20,440 --> 01:55:26,180
Seeing none, hearing none, are we ready to vote on question two, which is the reduction

1497
01:55:26,180 --> 01:55:28,400
of the senior center by the $44,000.

1498
01:55:28,540 --> 01:55:30,600
All members please cast your vote.

1499
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:32,560
Any member wish to change their vote?

1500
01:55:32,700 --> 01:55:33,860
Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

1501
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:37,200
5 yes, 7 no, 0 is your vote same.

1502
01:55:37,380 --> 01:55:37,980
Motion fails.

1503
01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:45,120
We're now on the third question of the Human Relations Commission, reducing their funding by

1504
01:55:46,500 --> 01:55:52,660
$28,400. Do I hear a motion in a second?

1505
01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:58,540
Motion and properly seconded. Councilman Stretman, you're recognized on this question.

1506
01:55:58,720 --> 01:56:03,220
Thank you, Mayor. I agree with the sponsor on this when she first started speaking and

1507
01:56:03,220 --> 01:56:08,760
when this was a whole thing, she was absolutely correct and when this was presented to us,

1508
01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:18,460
we had a lot of to-be determines, to-be determines, to-be determines, so I absolutely support her amendments to the budget in regards to this one.

1509
01:56:19,420 --> 01:56:23,140
All right, any more comment or question regarding this question?

1510
01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:33,540
We're voting to reduce the Human Relations Commission funding in the amount of $28,400 new budget of $21,600.

1511
01:56:33,540 --> 01:56:38,600
dollars. All members please cast your vote. Remember voted and remember wish to change their vote.

1512
01:56:38,740 --> 01:56:43,180
Madam Clerk please take the vote. 11 yes. 1 no 0 abstain.

1513
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:51,680
That reduction passes. All right councilman Lovato you recognized. Thank you. Thank you Mayor.

1514
01:56:52,000 --> 01:57:00,200
So my next amendment is for two of our city departments. I reducing the budget for building

1515
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:03,820
and maintenance and reducing the budget for building and codes.

1516
01:57:04,220 --> 01:57:05,000
That is my motion.

1517
01:57:06,340 --> 01:57:09,380
Before we move on, Mr. Bitner has given me that look.

1518
01:57:14,830 --> 01:57:15,690
We have to go back.

1519
01:57:15,950 --> 01:57:16,570
We have to go back.

1520
01:57:17,850 --> 01:57:19,050
This is close.

1521
01:57:22,420 --> 01:57:23,780
We have divided the question.

1522
01:57:23,980 --> 01:57:25,900
We have voted on all three questions.

1523
01:57:26,460 --> 01:57:29,260
Now we have to go back and vote on the amendment

1524
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:32,980
with those items that have been approved.

1525
01:57:35,580 --> 01:57:36,060
Okay,

1526
01:57:38,170 --> 01:57:47,210
Mr. Bettner, would you go to the microphone, please, sir, and tell us which ones that have been approved, so we'll know what the heck we're voting on.

1527
01:57:47,350 --> 01:57:47,910
I will.

1528
01:57:52,660 --> 01:58:01,260
Okay, so we're going to vote on the amended amendment, which took out the 300,888.

1529
01:58:01,260 --> 01:58:10,900
and then the senior center believed that failed and then the HRC budget passed.

1530
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:16,880
So we're voting on the amended amendment which would be the new budget of 216

1531
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:25,860
and removing the Customs House Museum from the amendment of Lovato.

1532
01:58:28,700 --> 01:58:30,560
You might know what we're voting on.

1533
01:58:33,640 --> 01:58:33,860
Okay.

1534
01:58:34,020 --> 01:58:36,980
Councilman McLaughlin, you recognized on this amendment.

1535
01:58:37,220 --> 01:58:37,900
Senior moment.

1536
01:58:38,160 --> 01:58:38,960
Point of clarification.

1537
01:58:39,620 --> 01:58:46,340
So, essentially, the only thing we're voting on is the HRC funding since the one, the

1538
01:58:46,340 --> 01:58:50,700
senior setter reduction failed and the museum was pulled out.

1539
01:58:50,860 --> 01:58:53,140
So, essentially, we're just voting on the decree.

1540
01:58:53,380 --> 01:58:53,540
Okay.

1541
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:54,240
Thank you.

1542
01:58:54,700 --> 01:58:54,860
All right.

1543
01:58:55,540 --> 01:58:56,940
Councilman Brown, you recognized.

1544
01:58:57,900 --> 01:59:01,900
So I'm just trying to figure out where my amendment would

1545
01:59:01,900 --> 01:59:06,540
have went since it for the Customs House Museum.

1546
01:59:06,540 --> 01:59:10,440
Because we voted on taking it off, you know,

1547
01:59:10,860 --> 01:59:14,220
off of this resolution, I guess.

1548
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:17,000
Just for clarification, we voted not to reduce.

1549
01:59:17,460 --> 01:59:18,600
Right, right, OK.

1550
01:59:18,780 --> 01:59:22,160
And so, you know, I was going to propose an amendment

1551
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:29,760
to that to change it from 300,000 to 100,000 so now we went to zero where would I

1552
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:34,480
propose mine to have to be a separate amendment, have to be a separate

1553
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:41,460
amendment in writing to reduce the funding to the Customs House Museum by

1554
01:59:41,460 --> 01:59:50,000
$100,000. So since we voted to go to zero it would be to reduce it by 100,000 if

1555
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:53,280
If that's your intent, all right, if you'll give that to this, this is correct.

1556
02:00:04,610 --> 02:00:12,470
Okay, hang on a second. Let's get some clarification. It's still a decrease on their overall budget.

1557
02:00:15,940 --> 02:00:25,800
So the motion made by Council of Brown is to decrease the funding all

1558
02:00:28,140 --> 02:00:28,720
what you got.

1559
02:01:09,990 --> 02:01:14,930
Okay, let me just kind of interrupt this high-level discussion here.

1560
02:01:16,450 --> 02:01:20,230
You can't amend an amendment to an amendment.

1561
02:01:22,230 --> 02:01:28,750
So we've already amended the Lovato amendment with the Zacharias amendment.

1562
02:01:28,750 --> 02:01:33,870
So, we're at the limit of what we can do for that amendment, for her amendment.

1563
02:01:34,670 --> 02:01:40,770
You would have to come back with a separate amendment to reduce funding unless

1564
02:01:44,670 --> 02:01:45,190
the

1565
02:01:45,190 --> 02:01:51,050
Zacharias amendment fails, and then you could come in with your amendment.

1566
02:01:52,270 --> 02:01:53,010
You got it?

1567
02:01:53,310 --> 02:01:56,890
We already voted on that, so that takes one amendment away.

1568
02:01:57,250 --> 02:01:57,470
Okay.

1569
02:01:57,650 --> 02:01:59,090
Hang on, Mr. Bittner.

1570
02:01:59,090 --> 02:02:05,810
I apologize. We were bumping along pretty good here.

1571
02:02:12,180 --> 02:02:18,320
Display it into three and then we were going to vote on the amended amendment.

1572
02:02:19,220 --> 02:02:23,000
So we haven't voted on the whole thing put together.

1573
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:29,700
So we'll vote on that. If it fails, we'll go back to the Lovato amendment.

1574
02:02:30,040 --> 02:02:30,960
Her original amendment.

1575
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:40,190
original. We voted only to take it to zero. I think you've split it into three

1576
02:02:40,190 --> 02:02:49,250
questions to approve it and then you vote on the amended amendment which is the

1577
02:02:49,250 --> 02:02:55,230
first amendment with those changes added to it through the second amendment.

1578
02:02:55,470 --> 02:02:57,210
So then you got to vote on that to pass it.

1579
02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:05,060
If it fails then you go back to the

1580
02:03:05,060 --> 02:03:12,400
original ordinance or the ordinance has amended the first time which could be amended the second time

1581
02:03:12,400 --> 02:03:21,420
again. So we have an amendment to the amendment which is Councilman Zacharias' amendment and we have

1582
02:03:21,420 --> 02:03:30,460
to vote on that. Correct. Once we vote on that, if it fails then we back to the libato amendment without any

1583
02:03:30,460 --> 02:03:36,540
amendments to it, and then Councilman Brown could jump in, but if it passes, then we can't

1584
02:03:36,540 --> 02:03:37,800
then why not?

1585
02:03:37,820 --> 02:03:41,780
In your according to Robert's rules, an amendment to the third degree is not permitted.

1586
02:03:42,860 --> 02:03:47,800
So to accomplish the same person, same purpose, a member can say, while a secondary amendment

1587
02:03:47,800 --> 02:03:53,280
is appending, which is that one, if voted down, Councilman Brown would offer his secondary

1588
02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:55,040
amendment, whichever, but he knows about now.

1589
02:03:55,040 --> 02:04:03,500
know. So if he passes, then I think he could come back before our second reading next week

1590
02:04:03,500 --> 02:04:10,900
with his amendment. Okay. Okay. Questions for Mr. Bittner on the posture of this of this

1591
02:04:10,900 --> 02:04:16,800
amendment? Councilman Streeman, you're recognized on to Mr. Bittner, please. Thank you, Mr. Bittner.

1592
02:04:17,140 --> 02:04:24,240
We voted on the amendment. So that's at least the question one has already been amended

1593
02:04:24,240 --> 02:04:28,020
because that was what we had to vote on when it first came up.

1594
02:04:28,140 --> 02:04:31,280
Then we voted on question two, then we voted on question three.

1595
02:04:31,720 --> 02:04:37,580
Question one was already amended to zero.

1596
02:04:38,520 --> 02:04:40,340
Question one was amended to zero.

1597
02:04:40,660 --> 02:04:42,400
Question one was amended to zero.

1598
02:04:42,440 --> 02:04:44,740
She's split into three parts, correct?

1599
02:04:45,300 --> 02:04:47,300
The whole thing was split into three parts.

1600
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:52,900
So we voted to amend question one and really the amendment wasn't necessary

1601
02:04:52,900 --> 02:04:57,320
then because we were already in a question, that's what's throwing everything here, because

1602
02:04:57,320 --> 02:05:02,240
we're in it, we were in a question, but question one was amended to zero. Then we voted on

1603
02:05:02,240 --> 02:05:09,100
question two, which question two failed. Then we voted on question three, question three

1604
02:05:09,100 --> 02:05:16,600
passed. So I'm guessing that what for one thing that probably we did miss is that we needed

1605
02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:20,940
to vote on it as a whole after all the questions. I guess you have to bring it together.

1606
02:05:20,940 --> 02:05:22,540
That's what I'm trying to get to.

1607
02:05:22,540 --> 02:05:24,700
That's already been amended.

1608
02:05:25,140 --> 02:05:37,960
So the question as a whole is just the HRC budget being reduced now to, I handed my sheet off, being reduced down to 21,600.

1609
02:05:38,280 --> 02:05:39,500
So that's all that's left of it.

1610
02:05:39,500 --> 02:05:42,020
That's all that's left, but that's the amendment as amended.

1611
02:05:42,720 --> 02:05:45,780
Right, but so it is still, I mean, it's been amended.

1612
02:05:45,780 --> 02:05:51,640
So the question is, can Councilman Brown offer his amendment to this amended amendment?

1613
02:05:52,140 --> 02:05:55,560
Because there's only one active amendment in place now.

1614
02:05:55,620 --> 02:05:55,880
Exactly.

1615
02:05:58,640 --> 02:06:04,920
But you haven't voted on Councilman Zacharias' amended amendment.

1616
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:05,500
Yes, sir.

1617
02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:06,020
We did.

1618
02:06:06,240 --> 02:06:07,420
We voted on that.

1619
02:06:07,420 --> 02:06:08,820
That's what brought it to zero.

1620
02:06:10,020 --> 02:06:12,640
Well, we divided the question into three.

1621
02:06:13,720 --> 02:06:20,040
The first one passed to bring it to zero, second one failed, third one passed, but did

1622
02:06:20,040 --> 02:06:23,240
we ever vote on his amendment in total?

1623
02:06:23,900 --> 02:06:25,920
And the clerk and the attorney says no.

1624
02:06:26,260 --> 02:06:32,180
So just for say, clarity's sake, we need to vote on the Zacharias amendment now that

1625
02:06:32,180 --> 02:06:33,980
we've addressed the three issues.

1626
02:06:35,240 --> 02:06:42,220
So just for clarity, let's go back and pick up the Zacharias amendment that has been amended.

1627
02:06:43,700 --> 02:06:51,160
And by understand, so we're only really voting, we're voting to take, to reduce the HRC budget

1628
02:06:51,160 --> 02:06:52,220
to 216.

1629
02:06:52,600 --> 02:06:52,860
Correct.

1630
02:06:53,480 --> 02:06:55,200
And that's the extent of his amendment.

1631
02:06:55,480 --> 02:06:55,600
Correct.

1632
02:06:55,720 --> 02:06:56,300
Survived.

1633
02:06:56,800 --> 02:06:57,400
Everybody good?

1634
02:06:58,000 --> 02:06:59,920
And if I know councilman Lovato?

1635
02:07:00,160 --> 02:07:00,260
No.

1636
02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:01,280
No.

1637
02:07:01,960 --> 02:07:12,200
I strongly disagree with the definition that we're using for what the third, the third, the third

1638
02:07:12,200 --> 02:07:14,740
party amendments.

1639
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:16,820
Like I understand, if he makes an amendment,

1640
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:19,440
my amendment Councilman Brown can't amend that.

1641
02:07:19,840 --> 02:07:21,680
But if his amendment passes or fails,

1642
02:07:22,200 --> 02:07:25,320
someone else can still bring another amendment forward.

1643
02:07:25,500 --> 02:07:27,240
And that is what Councilman Brown is doing

1644
02:07:27,240 --> 02:07:29,100
and we're not allowing him to do that.

1645
02:07:29,740 --> 02:07:31,720
We will, go ahead, Mr. Bettner.

1646
02:07:31,820 --> 02:07:33,560
We will allow Councilman Brown.

1647
02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:37,940
We're gonna need a dispose of Councilman Zacharias's amendment

1648
02:07:37,940 --> 02:07:40,560
now that we've voted on the three parts.

1649
02:07:41,280 --> 02:07:50,380
We'll dispose of that, either up or down, and then we'll go to Councilman Brown for his amendment to your amendment, as amended.

1650
02:07:51,160 --> 02:07:55,160
Correct, so you can't go into the third degree until we finish off.

1651
02:07:55,520 --> 02:07:55,700
Right.

1652
02:07:55,960 --> 02:08:02,440
Councilman Zacharias' amendment, then we can move on to Councilman Brown.

1653
02:08:02,720 --> 02:08:05,860
Yeah, the Chair rules that he can then introduce his amendment to your amendment.

1654
02:08:05,860 --> 02:08:08,800
So we're going to go into the third degree out of the amendment.

1655
02:08:10,040 --> 02:08:16,900
So we're not at the third degree yet, because we still have to dispose of Zacharias's amendment by good?

1656
02:08:18,990 --> 02:08:22,890
Okay. Councilman Zacharias on this issue?

1657
02:08:24,370 --> 02:08:32,370
No, I was just going to try to offer an explanation that I don't know, I thought it might make sense.

1658
02:08:32,670 --> 02:08:36,830
You recognize you guys before. So here's what has happened.

1659
02:08:38,370 --> 02:08:44,750
We had an amendment, I proposed an amendment to that amendment.

1660
02:08:45,270 --> 02:08:51,310
Had we voted on that first, we would then divide the question and then we would have been

1661
02:08:51,310 --> 02:08:53,730
dividing on each line individually.

1662
02:08:53,950 --> 02:08:58,670
But because that motion was made before we voted on my amendment, what has happened is

1663
02:08:58,670 --> 02:09:02,050
through dividing the question, my amendment has been amended.

1664
02:09:02,050 --> 02:09:08,310
So now my current amendment is what I think some people may have thought we were voting

1665
02:09:08,310 --> 02:09:11,090
on as the final thing.

1666
02:09:11,790 --> 02:09:19,670
If this next vote fails, my amendment having been amended by the dividing of the question

1667
02:09:20,190 --> 02:09:21,770
fails and we're back to the original.

1668
02:09:22,910 --> 02:09:23,970
Hereby, clear.

1669
02:09:25,390 --> 02:09:27,890
Councilmember Gloufflin on for clarity?

1670
02:09:27,890 --> 02:09:32,870
For sanity's sake, would you please redefine what your amendment was?

1671
02:09:34,230 --> 02:09:41,930
Yes, after the votes on the divided question, my amendment will decrease the Custom House Museum budget by zero.

1672
02:09:42,410 --> 02:09:51,010
It will decrease the senior center budget by zero and it will decrease the HRC budget by $28,400.

1673
02:09:52,130 --> 02:09:53,250
Council member Claude.

1674
02:09:53,750 --> 02:09:54,390
Good.

1675
02:09:54,390 --> 02:09:57,790
everybody else good so after

1676
02:10:01,020 --> 02:10:04,560
this vote then I will come to Councilman Brown who has

1677
02:10:04,560 --> 02:10:11,520
an amendment to little bottle amendment all right we're voting on the

1678
02:10:11,520 --> 02:10:16,300
Zacharias amendment as amended every member voted any

1679
02:10:18,730 --> 02:10:19,590
member wish to change

1680
02:10:19,590 --> 02:10:25,990
their vote none clerk please take the vote six yes five no zero I've seen okay

1681
02:10:25,990 --> 02:10:33,770
passes. Councilman Brown, you're up. Thank you Mayor. So after going through all that and thinking

1682
02:10:33,770 --> 02:10:41,750
about that and looking at previous numbers, I'd like to propose an amendment to the Custom House Museum

1683
02:10:41,750 --> 02:10:53,630
to decrease an additional $68,726 because we took $31,000 in a earlier

1684
02:10:56,450 --> 02:11:02,910
vote. So this would make the total of be 100,000, but on this amendment the

1685
02:11:02,910 --> 02:11:08,850
customer house museum decreased of $68,726. Okay, you heard the motion. Do I

1686
02:11:08,850 --> 02:11:15,800
hear a second? Properly second. Any discussion about this amendment? Okay? Are

1687
02:11:15,800 --> 02:11:22,180
you ready to vote? Hang on a second. Yeah, let's get a copy. I'm sorry. Let

1688
02:11:22,180 --> 02:11:24,960
deputy clerk, can you pass that down?

1689
02:11:28,240 --> 02:11:29,460
Make sure you see it.

1690
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:33,520
Now that's another

1691
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:37,260
question. I printed. I did it in print.

1692
02:12:09,320 --> 02:12:09,800
All

1693
02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:28,840
right, everybody got a copy of the

1694
02:13:28,840 --> 02:13:30,960
Brown amendment to the amended amendment.

1695
02:13:33,580 --> 02:13:35,140
Councilman Brown, will you restate

1696
02:13:35,140 --> 02:13:41,460
it one more time? Yes, Mayor. So look to decrease the

1697
02:13:41,460 --> 02:13:46,300
Customs House Museum budget by $68,726.

1698
02:13:47,340 --> 02:13:49,080
Okay, you've heard the explanation.

1699
02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:50,500
It's properly before us.

1700
02:13:51,040 --> 02:13:53,700
This is an amendment to the amended amendment.

1701
02:13:54,840 --> 02:13:55,700
Any questions?

1702
02:13:56,880 --> 02:13:57,660
Are you ready to vote?

1703
02:13:57,780 --> 02:13:59,520
All members, please cast your vote.

1704
02:14:02,640 --> 02:14:03,440
Every member voted.

1705
02:14:03,560 --> 02:14:04,880
Any member wish to change their vote?

1706
02:14:05,240 --> 02:14:06,660
Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

1707
02:14:08,950 --> 02:14:09,490
Eight, yes.

1708
02:14:09,950 --> 02:14:10,370
Four, no.

1709
02:14:10,710 --> 02:14:11,350
Zero, I've stand.

1710
02:14:11,730 --> 02:14:12,030
All right.

1711
02:14:12,030 --> 02:14:14,870
the amendment to the amended amendment passes.

1712
02:14:16,510 --> 02:14:21,210
Okay, we're now back on the Lobato Amendment as amended.

1713
02:14:22,230 --> 02:14:24,990
Councilman Lobato, you recognize for final thoughts?

1714
02:14:25,330 --> 02:14:27,170
That concludes her report.

1715
02:14:27,350 --> 02:14:28,430
That concludes her report.

1716
02:14:29,270 --> 02:14:31,870
All right, we're on the Lobato Amendment as amended.

1717
02:14:33,110 --> 02:14:35,310
All members please cast your vote.

1718
02:14:36,030 --> 02:14:37,290
Every member voted.

1719
02:14:37,430 --> 02:14:38,650
Any member wish to change their vote?

1720
02:14:38,850 --> 02:14:40,010
Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

1721
02:14:40,010 --> 02:14:49,350
ten yes one no one abstain the amendment is adopted councilman Lovato any

1722
02:14:49,350 --> 02:14:59,590
further amendments I do I have one more this one is a a reduction for building

1723
02:15:11,580 --> 02:15:29,880
So, the first one for building and maintenance, it is a reduction of $351,456. This, I did not list out line items, but essentially, this would remove,

1724
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:40,140
the funding for their new staff, new requested vehicles and other optional services that they

1725
02:15:40,140 --> 02:15:53,980
are providing. For building and codes for reduction is $200 and $1,352 and this is the amount that

1726
02:15:53,980 --> 02:16:02,980
it would take for two of their requested enforcement officers in their admin in the correlating

1727
02:16:02,980 --> 02:16:12,680
vehicles. Just ahead this off, I understand that this is going to reduce the services that they

1728
02:16:12,680 --> 02:16:21,220
can provide to the city. But right now we have citizens with tarps still on their roofs because

1729
02:16:21,220 --> 02:16:25,120
they can't afford their deductible to get their roof fixed.

1730
02:16:25,560 --> 02:16:32,380
We have citizens who are going without their auto insurance because they're having to make the difficult decision

1731
02:16:32,380 --> 02:16:36,940
between putting gas in their car and paying for their auto insurance.

1732
02:16:37,320 --> 02:16:47,520
So, when we're looking at the tax rate and trying to reduce that some of our well-intentioned wants need to be put off

1733
02:16:47,520 --> 02:16:52,580
and so the state of our national and state level economy can catch up.

1734
02:16:53,000 --> 02:16:53,980
So that's my explanation.

1735
02:16:54,780 --> 02:16:56,260
Council Member Gloufflin on the amendment.

1736
02:16:56,800 --> 02:16:59,800
Make a motion to divide the question before it's amended.

1737
02:17:01,160 --> 02:17:06,540
Motion been made in properly second to divide the question of the two items on the

1738
02:17:06,540 --> 02:17:07,340
libato amendment.

1739
02:17:08,280 --> 02:17:10,740
Any question regarding the motion to divide?

1740
02:17:11,780 --> 02:17:17,100
Seeing none, okay, we're voting to divide the question into two votes before it's

1741
02:17:35,710 --> 02:17:41,110
All right. All members please cast your vote. Every member voted. Any member

1742
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:43,430
wish to change their vote? Madam Clerk please take the vote.

1743
02:17:44,350 --> 02:17:46,670
Ten yes, one no, one abstain.

1744
02:17:46,970 --> 02:17:53,390
Okay. The motion to divide passes. We are now voting. We're now discussing the

1745
02:17:54,270 --> 02:18:01,010
first item is building in maintenance reduction but in the amount of $351,456.

1746
02:18:01,010 --> 02:18:08,630
dollars. Any comment or question regarding that line or that amount? Councilman Markey, you're

1747
02:18:08,630 --> 02:18:15,150
recognized? Yes, I actually have a point of clarification. Under their budget, building

1748
02:18:15,150 --> 02:18:21,190
and maintenance has a line item stating property taxes on non-city use property. And my

1749
02:18:21,190 --> 02:18:26,410
question is, why are we paying taxes on buildings that we're not using, but we have for-profit

1750
02:18:26,410 --> 02:18:30,910
businesses using. Why are they not paying their taxes? Why are we paying their taxes?

1751
02:18:31,710 --> 02:18:37,690
And then why, and then the second part is for the other portions of that, that it's

1752
02:18:37,690 --> 02:18:43,710
properly that we've obtained through taxes that we're not paid for, why are we paying

1753
02:18:43,710 --> 02:18:48,070
that, it's, that seems circular to pay taxes with taxes?

1754
02:18:49,590 --> 02:18:53,630
Okay, that question is so simple. I'm going to ask Ms. Madda to come up.

1755
02:18:57,700 --> 02:19:04,360
It is actually pretty simple so before all of us were here there was a lease agreement

1756
02:19:04,360 --> 02:19:11,100
approved by City Council with the Marina and the Liberty Park Grill so that property

1757
02:19:11,100 --> 02:19:17,020
there private entities and in those lease agreements it's a ground lease we own the ground

1758
02:19:17,020 --> 02:19:22,440
that they're on they own the buildings at the end of the lease the buildings change hands

1759
02:19:22,440 --> 02:19:28,660
and stuff, but because it's in our name, we're the owner of the property.

1760
02:19:29,420 --> 02:19:35,800
So when the leases were approved, it was approved saying that the tenants would not pay any property

1761
02:19:35,800 --> 02:19:36,300
taxes.

1762
02:19:36,520 --> 02:19:41,240
That language is in there regardless of if it's ever assessed or not assessed, they're not

1763
02:19:41,240 --> 02:19:42,860
responsible for property taxes.

1764
02:19:44,180 --> 02:19:48,620
After we signed those lease agreements and everything was approved and the buildings were

1765
02:19:48,620 --> 02:19:55,660
built and operational. There was a new assessor, and she's following the rules. She has done

1766
02:19:55,660 --> 02:20:01,460
absolutely nothing wrong. The rules say, if it's leased by a private entity, it gets taxed

1767
02:20:01,460 --> 02:20:08,900
at the lease hold value. We actually tried to argue that point, tried to push that it was

1768
02:20:08,900 --> 02:20:17,920
serving a municipal purpose by having a marina for use of the citizens, the docs. We tried

1769
02:20:17,920 --> 02:20:25,360
to push all that to have the taxes not be applied to us and we did not win that one so we

1770
02:20:25,360 --> 02:20:31,800
are required to pay those taxes and we've tried to negotiate with the tenants and they will

1771
02:20:31,800 --> 02:20:38,740
not budge so they have to be paid we don't have an option how long is the lease I think they're 20

1772
02:20:38,740 --> 02:20:47,900
year leases and then there's options to renew on both parties have to agree though at the end of

1773
02:20:47,900 --> 02:20:51,120
20 years. We'd have to double check them, but that's my memory.

1774
02:20:52,960 --> 02:20:56,260
Other questions, Councilman Marquis, for Ms. Mennon?

1775
02:20:56,380 --> 02:21:03,320
The other portion of it, of properties that we would receive mid-year, that the taxes

1776
02:21:03,320 --> 02:21:04,180
were not paid for.

1777
02:21:04,720 --> 02:21:08,880
So there's also, I forgot to tell you, U.S. Bank is the other one.

1778
02:21:09,360 --> 02:21:15,800
So we lease this building, again, part of City Hall is leased to U.S. Bank and it became

1779
02:21:15,800 --> 02:21:21,880
the same situation based on the square footage that U.S. Bank is, they have to, we have to pay the

1780
02:21:21,880 --> 02:21:30,380
taxes on that. So, if we acquire land that some taxes were owed on, ultimately they're going

1781
02:21:30,380 --> 02:21:34,680
to have to be paid if we don't collect them at time of closing. We've had really good luck with

1782
02:21:34,680 --> 02:21:40,920
our new city attorney to make sure that that's happening at closing, that the other entities are paying

1783
02:21:40,920 --> 02:21:45,700
it and we're holding it, but it still an expense on our side because once the tax bill gets

1784
02:21:46,920 --> 02:21:50,900
presented to us, it has to be paid. So we got the money through the sale of the property,

1785
02:21:51,480 --> 02:21:56,700
but then we have to actually pay them. So it's a revenue and an expense. It's an accounting

1786
02:21:56,700 --> 02:21:58,860
thing you have to show the expense side.

1787
02:22:01,860 --> 02:22:06,000
I guess that doesn't really click on my head because

1788
02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:12,220
we're operating on taxes. And therefore, because the taxes were paid, we're using taxes

1789
02:22:12,220 --> 02:22:15,020
to pay the taxes, I guess it's where I'm not really understanding.

1790
02:22:15,280 --> 02:22:18,060
So we don't get the opportunity to change our taxes.

1791
02:22:18,380 --> 02:22:21,880
We do know also the only thing that you counsel can do is

1792
02:22:21,880 --> 02:22:22,740
that a tax rate.

1793
02:22:23,140 --> 02:22:27,360
We are not involved in the assessing of praised values

1794
02:22:27,360 --> 02:22:29,060
or assessments on the land.

1795
02:22:29,640 --> 02:22:31,340
We cannot change the tax role.

1796
02:22:31,740 --> 02:22:33,040
It's we're not allowed to.

1797
02:22:33,520 --> 02:22:37,840
The tax role can only be changed by the elected official

1798
02:22:37,840 --> 02:22:39,240
for the assessor's office.

1799
02:22:39,240 --> 02:22:43,820
She can tell us, send us a change of assessment.

1800
02:22:44,440 --> 02:22:45,800
That's the only way they can get changed.

1801
02:22:46,120 --> 02:22:48,780
So if it comes on that as tax assessment role,

1802
02:22:49,560 --> 02:22:51,520
we have to bill it and it has to be paid.

1803
02:22:51,960 --> 02:22:53,320
Otherwise, it goes up for tax sale.

1804
02:22:54,000 --> 02:22:57,260
Okay. All right.

1805
02:22:57,900 --> 02:22:58,320
Thank you.

1806
02:22:58,780 --> 02:23:00,420
I will get to you a minute.

1807
02:23:00,860 --> 02:23:02,700
We're on the list. I've got you.

1808
02:23:04,240 --> 02:23:06,740
Councilman McLaughlin for Ms. Mattout or just in general.

1809
02:23:06,980 --> 02:23:07,380
In general.

1810
02:23:07,380 --> 02:23:08,700
Okay, thank you.

1811
02:23:11,160 --> 02:23:13,580
Go ahead and we'll get to him and she's not far.

1812
02:23:13,880 --> 02:23:17,140
Yeah, I was just going to step back for the people that have questions for her.

1813
02:23:17,280 --> 02:23:19,280
You go right ahead. Go ahead and ask my question.

1814
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:19,380
Please.

1815
02:23:20,200 --> 02:23:25,360
Okay. In keeping with what some of the other council members have done,

1816
02:23:25,360 --> 02:23:29,540
did we want the director of building maintenance to come forward and explain

1817
02:23:30,060 --> 02:23:33,380
how this would affect the budget? What would have to be reduced?

1818
02:23:34,680 --> 02:23:37,480
I think it'd be prudent to do that. Mr. Palmore,

1819
02:23:40,190 --> 02:23:41,310
With that objection,

1820
02:23:45,000 --> 02:23:48,520
please, if you wouldn't mind, answer the question about the reduction

1821
02:23:48,520 --> 02:23:50,060
and its impact on your budget.

1822
02:23:50,720 --> 02:23:57,580
So as you know, Council, I've also taken over a portion of Minister of Prophecy's up in

1823
02:23:57,580 --> 02:23:59,700
the switch to over $600,000 of that budget.

1824
02:24:00,380 --> 02:24:04,480
I've already reduced my budget by 5%, and then that budget was also reduced.

1825
02:24:04,740 --> 02:24:10,140
If we're going to talk about taking away $350,000 or $1,000 or so of my budget, we're going

1826
02:24:10,140 --> 02:24:17,880
start cutting into new employees. We have grown a lot as a city. My maintenance covers 100 plus

1827
02:24:17,880 --> 02:24:26,260
facilities and we have people on staff that they need support to get done PMs, asset management,

1828
02:24:26,480 --> 02:24:32,020
things of that nature. Also when it comes to vehicles I spoke about this during my budget,

1829
02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:38,200
meaning that my forester does not have formal drive and she only has a normal truck and we have

1830
02:24:38,200 --> 02:24:42,980
issues with her during the winter months and some of the rainy months getting stuck

1831
02:24:42,980 --> 02:24:46,320
in areas that she is currently kind of planning trades or whatnot.

1832
02:24:46,580 --> 02:24:52,280
So it would be a huge, I mean, impact to my budget of $351,000.

1833
02:24:53,360 --> 02:24:55,820
Councilman McLaughlin, you have the floor.

1834
02:24:56,080 --> 02:24:56,360
Thank you.

1835
02:24:56,580 --> 02:24:56,840
Okay.

1836
02:24:57,300 --> 02:24:57,460
All right.

1837
02:24:57,600 --> 02:24:58,420
Thank you, Mr. Belmore.

1838
02:25:00,770 --> 02:25:02,230
Councilman Streatman, you're recognized.

1839
02:25:05,470 --> 02:25:18,150
Just asking did you as a sponsor, I think you talked about these during the committee meeting, did you reach out and talk to the director prior to this just to find out more in detail about his budget?

1840
02:25:18,930 --> 02:25:20,850
Attempts were made to reach out to that director?

1841
02:25:20,950 --> 02:25:21,870
Okay, so you did.

1842
02:25:22,830 --> 02:25:26,570
and you discussed this in some of these also in the committee meeting by

1843
02:25:26,570 --> 02:25:31,750
remember correctly. Yes okay because I know I can remember if I was I was almost

1844
02:25:31,750 --> 02:25:36,510
positive you brought those up in that one. Thank you. Now Councilman Brown you're

1845
02:25:36,510 --> 02:25:43,010
recognized. Thank you Mayor. Ms. Manna. Ms. Manna without objection. Councilman Brown.

1846
02:25:43,370 --> 02:25:49,770
So back on those taxes most of those are county taxes that we're having to pay

1847
02:25:49,770 --> 02:25:56,250
county and city. So we have to pay ourselves also but part of that is taxes that we have to pay to

1848
02:25:56,250 --> 02:26:02,490
the to the county that doesn't make a circle. Absolutely correct. Yeah we have to pay both city

1849
02:26:02,490 --> 02:26:09,590
and county taxes on those properties. So the city taxes pretty much just almost washed themselves

1850
02:26:09,590 --> 02:26:15,550
out. Exactly because we bill it and we pay it. Right. So it's just the county taxes that is

1851
02:26:16,430 --> 02:26:16,910
Excess.

1852
02:26:17,270 --> 02:26:17,750
Correct.

1853
02:26:18,450 --> 02:26:18,630
All right.

1854
02:26:18,950 --> 02:26:19,390
Thank you.

1855
02:26:19,650 --> 02:26:19,850
You're welcome.

1856
02:26:19,850 --> 02:26:21,030
Thank you.

1857
02:26:21,030 --> 02:26:21,710
Thank you, Miss Manna.

1858
02:26:22,570 --> 02:26:27,070
Any more comment or question regarding this question of the Building and Facility Maintenance

1859
02:26:27,070 --> 02:26:28,610
Budget Amendment?

1860
02:26:29,450 --> 02:26:31,510
Seeing none, hearing none, are you ready to vote?

1861
02:26:31,610 --> 02:26:36,970
We're voting on just that one item to reduce the Building and Facility Maintenance Budget.

1862
02:26:37,690 --> 02:26:39,830
And remember, please cast your vote.

1863
02:26:40,390 --> 02:26:41,190
And remember, vote it.

1864
02:26:41,270 --> 02:26:42,550
And remember, wish to change their vote.

1865
02:26:42,770 --> 02:26:43,890
Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

1866
02:26:44,690 --> 02:26:47,550
4-yes, 8-no, 0-ed-sane.

1867
02:26:47,870 --> 02:26:48,670
Motion fails.

1868
02:26:48,870 --> 02:26:55,830
We're now on the second question of reducing the billing and codes budget by $200, $1,352.

1869
02:26:56,270 --> 02:26:58,670
Any comment or question regarding that?

1870
02:27:00,390 --> 02:27:01,930
Councilman McLaughlin, you're recognized.

1871
02:27:02,430 --> 02:27:06,550
My comments from the previous attempt to cut the billing codes budget stand.

1872
02:27:07,250 --> 02:27:07,530
Thank you.

1873
02:27:07,530 --> 02:27:15,850
All right. Councilman Lovato. Any words for that? Okay. All right. We're now voting

1874
02:27:15,850 --> 02:27:20,650
on the question regarding the reduction of the bill in Codes Department budget. All

1875
02:27:20,650 --> 02:27:25,010
members, please cast your vote. Every member voted. Any member wish to change their vote?

1876
02:27:25,190 --> 02:27:33,670
Madam Clerk, please take the vote. For yes, eight no, zero abstain. Motion fails. We're now on

1877
02:27:33,670 --> 02:27:38,630
the amendment that has nothing in it, right, Mr. Bittner?

1878
02:27:39,170 --> 02:27:39,650
Yes.

1879
02:27:40,230 --> 02:27:40,530
Okay.

1880
02:27:40,730 --> 02:27:41,190
So it failed.

1881
02:27:41,430 --> 02:27:41,550
All right.

1882
02:27:41,870 --> 02:27:44,430
Councilman Lavado, you recognize additional amendments?

1883
02:27:44,690 --> 02:27:45,130
That's all.

1884
02:27:45,270 --> 02:27:45,470
Thank you.

1885
02:27:45,610 --> 02:27:45,850
All right.

1886
02:27:45,950 --> 02:27:46,330
That's all.

1887
02:27:46,630 --> 02:27:46,810
All right.

1888
02:27:47,230 --> 02:27:48,150
Any other amendments?

1889
02:27:49,190 --> 02:27:52,530
Seeing none, any other discussion regarding ordinance 97?

1890
02:27:53,390 --> 02:27:55,190
Councilman McLaughlin, you are recognized.

1891
02:27:55,570 --> 02:27:56,170
Thank you, Mayor.

1892
02:27:56,550 --> 02:28:01,930
I just need to make a statement that my husband is a city employee and that what I vote on the city general budget,

1893
02:28:01,930 --> 02:28:07,170
It's for the best interest of the citizens of Clarksville and not my family in a personal capacity.

1894
02:28:08,090 --> 02:28:09,590
Councilman Zacharias, you're recognized.

1895
02:28:09,990 --> 02:28:10,410
Thank you, Mayor.

1896
02:28:11,790 --> 02:28:21,350
Same thing, my son is a Parks and Rec employee, but I am to casting my vote based on what I think is in the best interest of the city.

1897
02:28:21,610 --> 02:28:21,830
Thank you.

1898
02:28:22,090 --> 02:28:22,410
Thank you.

1899
02:28:22,510 --> 02:28:25,530
Any other comment or question regarding ordinance 97 as amended?

1900
02:28:26,150 --> 02:28:28,350
Seeing none, hearing none, are you ready to vote all members?

1901
02:28:28,790 --> 02:28:29,670
Please cast your vote.

1902
02:28:32,130 --> 02:28:35,710
every member voted. Any member wish to change their vote?

1903
02:28:39,240 --> 02:28:43,100
Any member wish to change their vote? Madam Clerk, take the vote.

1904
02:28:44,040 --> 02:28:46,720
5 yes, 7 no, 0 abstained.

1905
02:28:46,740 --> 02:28:59,840
On its fails, we're now on the resolution 63, 2024, 25 resolution, accepting the public improvement program for fiscal years 26 through 2023, 2030, excuse me,

1906
02:28:59,840 --> 02:29:01,500
Compiled by the City of Clarkson,

1907
02:29:01,560 --> 02:29:04,060
reviewed by the Clarkson Montgomery County Regional Planning Commission.

1908
02:29:04,580 --> 02:29:06,180
We'll call on Mr. Tendell,

1909
02:29:06,300 --> 02:29:07,280
please sir, if you wouldn't mind.

1910
02:29:08,280 --> 02:29:10,380
Well, let me get a motion in a second first.

1911
02:29:11,340 --> 02:29:12,960
Motion been made in properly second.

1912
02:29:13,120 --> 02:29:13,900
Mr. Tendell, please.

1913
02:29:14,020 --> 02:29:14,900
Thank you mayor.

1914
02:29:15,180 --> 02:29:18,600
I was just confirming with Ms. Mata that even though the budget did not pass,

1915
02:29:18,760 --> 02:29:22,560
this is just your capital improvements program plan.

1916
02:29:22,940 --> 02:29:24,520
It is not hinged on the budget.

1917
02:29:24,520 --> 02:29:25,500
It is not influenced.

1918
02:29:25,740 --> 02:29:27,160
The budget is a planning tool.

1919
02:29:28,120 --> 02:29:36,400
Some cities, some counties, some jurisdictions around the country maybe have a local one cent sales tax or a capital bond that they did.

1920
02:29:36,640 --> 02:29:38,340
The city does not currently have that.

1921
02:29:38,580 --> 02:29:43,880
So our capital improvement plan that is presented from the city to the planning commission.

1922
02:29:44,060 --> 02:29:45,800
We reviewed it and we're sending it back to you.

1923
02:29:46,560 --> 02:29:51,200
It's been reviewed and accepted is a wish list for the next five years.

1924
02:29:51,200 --> 02:29:56,720
It gives the city a gauge of those projects that are on the more near term and on the longer term.

1925
02:29:56,720 --> 02:29:59,600
For instance, you had a set of funding of

1926
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,280
10 or 100 million a year of capital projects, then you would plan out that further output. The way the city currently budgets, it's the projects that are most needed rise to the top annually, but this is a list of projects that we're not always calling for projects that's constantly evaluated every year. So we present that to you in the form of a resolution for planning purposes. All right. You've heard the explanation any comment or question? Are you ready to vote on resolution number 63? All members, please cast your vote.

1927
02:30:29,280 --> 02:30:30,660
but every member voted.

1928
02:30:30,840 --> 02:30:32,100
Any member wish to change their vote?

1929
02:30:32,280 --> 02:30:33,580
Madam Clerk, please take the vote.

1930
02:30:34,320 --> 02:30:36,780
11 yes, one no, zero abstain.

1931
02:30:36,840 --> 02:30:38,360
Resolution 63 is adopted.

1932
02:30:40,810 --> 02:30:42,190
Next item is public comment.

1933
02:30:42,390 --> 02:30:44,090
We allow three people five minutes each.

1934
02:30:44,190 --> 02:30:45,410
We wish to address the council.

1935
02:30:45,890 --> 02:30:47,330
We encourage you to come forward.

1936
02:30:48,350 --> 02:30:49,350
Please come forward.

1937
02:30:49,990 --> 02:30:51,890
Give us your name and you'll have five minutes.

1938
02:30:56,930 --> 02:30:58,870
Hi, my name is Kelly Snyder.

1939
02:30:59,950 --> 02:31:03,970
I have spent the last 25 years in the mental health field.

1940
02:31:03,970 --> 02:31:06,290
and I've been a licensed professional counselor

1941
02:31:06,290 --> 02:31:09,730
with mental health service provider designation since 2016.

1942
02:31:09,950 --> 02:31:11,870
Will you pull your microphone down just a little bit

1943
02:31:11,870 --> 02:31:12,610
so we can hear you?

1944
02:31:12,810 --> 02:31:12,950
Okay.

1945
02:31:13,350 --> 02:31:13,530
Thank you.

1946
02:31:13,530 --> 02:31:14,050
Is that a little better?

1947
02:31:14,150 --> 02:31:14,530
That's better.

1948
02:31:14,670 --> 02:31:14,910
All right.

1949
02:31:15,230 --> 02:31:17,270
I also specialize in trauma therapy.

1950
02:31:17,990 --> 02:31:19,790
Today I'm not standing here as a therapist.

1951
02:31:20,150 --> 02:31:23,170
And today I'm not just a voting citizen trying to talk to you.

1952
02:31:23,630 --> 02:31:27,290
I'm here as someone who has lived a lifetime surrounded by people who serve

1953
02:31:27,290 --> 02:31:29,430
and I felt the way they carry.

1954
02:31:29,750 --> 02:31:33,390
I've seen what stress trauma and less sacrifice due to a person's spirit

1955
02:31:33,390 --> 02:31:41,110
over time. I'm the proud wife of a firefighter 25 years by his side, 26. I'm also the stepmother,

1956
02:31:41,290 --> 02:31:46,910
a cousin, and niece of firefighters, and I'm a proud army brat. Service runs deep in my blood,

1957
02:31:46,930 --> 02:31:52,530
but so does the heartache that often follows it. I've spent a life surrounded by people who serve.

1958
02:31:52,990 --> 02:31:57,710
I've seen firsthand the toll that serving others, especially in high-risk, high-stress roles,

1959
02:31:57,710 --> 02:32:00,170
can take on someone's mind, body, and family.

1960
02:32:00,770 --> 02:32:03,410
It is not just professional for me, it is very personal.

1961
02:32:04,350 --> 02:32:08,350
I know what it means to live with someone who runs into danger for a living, and what

1962
02:32:08,350 --> 02:32:11,390
it looks like when they carry the weight of those calls into our home.

1963
02:32:12,470 --> 02:32:14,230
Let me share what it looks like here in Clarksville.

1964
02:32:15,530 --> 02:32:21,050
Last year, Clarksville firefighters responded to nearly 20,000 calls, according to CFR's

1965
02:32:21,050 --> 02:32:28,510
website, 19,851 to be exact, and despite what most people assume, only about 2% of those

1966
02:32:28,510 --> 02:32:35,430
were fires, over to 70% were medical emergencies. That means they're first on the scene for cardiac

1967
02:32:35,430 --> 02:32:41,030
arrests, car crashes, overdoses, suicides, and the unthinkable when children don't make

1968
02:32:41,030 --> 02:32:47,090
it. These calls don't disappear when the truck pulls away. They stay, they replay, and they

1969
02:32:47,090 --> 02:32:52,730
compound. Okay. Let me put this in human terms. You start your shift at eight, seven

1970
02:32:52,730 --> 02:32:56,490
thirty if you're doing the right thing. By nine you're already responding to a

1971
02:32:56,490 --> 02:33:00,450
car wreck. By nine thirty you're holding someone hand that they take their final

1972
02:33:00,450 --> 02:33:05,610
breath. Then like nothing happened you're expected to go back into a training that

1973
02:33:05,610 --> 02:33:09,990
the call interrupted or pick up the phone and talk to your child that you haven't

1974
02:33:09,990 --> 02:33:14,530
seen since bedtime last night and you won't see until the dinner tomorrow because

1975
02:33:14,530 --> 02:33:18,670
is after your shift, you have to go to your second job.

1976
02:33:19,230 --> 02:33:21,870
Not for extra spending money, we don't have that.

1977
02:33:22,310 --> 02:33:24,410
It's because we don't make enough to live comfortably.

1978
02:33:25,290 --> 02:33:27,970
This is what's different about Clarksville firefighters here.

1979
02:33:28,130 --> 02:33:29,870
They're expected to do more for less.

1980
02:33:31,370 --> 02:33:35,450
So our department seems underpaid compared to others in Tennessee.

1981
02:33:35,630 --> 02:33:37,410
You've seen the numbers, I'm not going to repeat them.

1982
02:33:38,350 --> 02:33:41,410
Most of our firefighters are raising families on government assistance.

1983
02:33:41,410 --> 02:33:46,790
you heard this renting instead of owning, commuting this long distances, working

1984
02:33:46,790 --> 02:33:52,850
second sometimes third jobs because their life-saving job doesn't pay

1985
02:33:52,850 --> 02:33:57,310
enough. What that means is they have no space to recover from what they're

1986
02:33:57,310 --> 02:34:02,350
experiencing. They have no time to process their trauma, they have no ability to

1987
02:34:02,350 --> 02:34:06,610
rest, no access to mental health care without the added stress of taking a day

1988
02:34:06,610 --> 02:34:11,390
off of that second or third job. As a therapist I can tell you this is

1989
02:34:11,390 --> 02:34:16,530
dangerous, dangerous formula. It's a recipe for burnout. It's a pipeline for

1990
02:34:16,530 --> 02:34:21,010
depression, anxiety, emotional numbness, insomnia, and worse suicide.

1991
02:34:21,790 --> 02:34:26,390
Nationally, more firefighters die by suicide in the line of duty. That alone

1992
02:34:26,390 --> 02:34:31,110
should stop us in our tracks. The metal load becomes unbearable. I've seen it in my

1993
02:34:31,110 --> 02:34:35,990
office and my kitchen table. They're silent suffering that they go through. They

1994
02:34:35,990 --> 02:34:40,290
don't want to be weak. They don't want to be seen as bringing the pain home. They

1995
02:34:40,290 --> 02:34:44,270
They hold it in, they push it down, they go on to the next shift, the next job, the next

1996
02:34:44,270 --> 02:34:45,050
birthday party.

1997
02:34:45,370 --> 02:34:48,530
You can only stack trauma so high before something cracks.

1998
02:34:49,210 --> 02:34:51,610
The weight doesn't stay at work, it follows them home.

1999
02:34:51,810 --> 02:34:56,350
It shows up in their sleep or their lack thereof, in their nightmares, their short tempers,

2000
02:34:56,450 --> 02:34:57,930
the distance from their families.

2001
02:34:58,690 --> 02:35:03,410
Chronic headaches, high blood pressure, physical exhaustion, that no amount of caffeine, can

2002
02:35:03,410 --> 02:35:04,770
fear or courage, can fix.

2003
02:35:05,730 --> 02:35:09,170
Over time that emotional burden doesn't just chip away at their well-being.

2004
02:35:09,170 --> 02:35:11,890
it erodes their entire quality of life.

2005
02:35:12,630 --> 02:35:15,330
Too often they're expected to carry that weight alone.

2006
02:35:16,570 --> 02:35:19,310
So even with all this pressure, our firefighters show up.

2007
02:35:19,550 --> 02:35:20,970
They've completed training hours.

2008
02:35:21,190 --> 02:35:22,510
They do maintenance work orders.

2009
02:35:22,810 --> 02:35:23,550
They do inspections.

2010
02:35:23,830 --> 02:35:26,470
They install smoke detectors because protecting

2011
02:35:26,470 --> 02:35:27,830
the city is personal to them.

2012
02:35:28,470 --> 02:35:29,270
Here's the truce.

2013
02:35:29,390 --> 02:35:30,890
We're running them into the ground.

2014
02:35:31,750 --> 02:35:33,650
We're exhausting their minds, their bodies,

2015
02:35:33,870 --> 02:35:35,970
their families, and then we're asking them for more.

2016
02:35:35,970 --> 02:35:40,630
So I'm here today not as a mental health professional alone, but someone who lives

2017
02:35:40,630 --> 02:35:45,530
this life beside them. Someone who watches the toll it takes and I want to ask you,

2018
02:35:45,690 --> 02:35:50,370
how long would you carry someone else's trauma before it broke you? Our firefighters

2019
02:35:50,370 --> 02:35:53,870
don't need more praise. They don't need another thank you for your service.

2020
02:35:54,250 --> 02:35:59,270
They need time to recover. They need time to go home and sleep to pay.

2021
02:35:59,690 --> 02:36:03,210
Sorry, your time is up. Thank you very much. Is there anyone else that wishes to

2022
02:36:03,210 --> 02:36:04,750
address the council, please come forward.

2023
02:36:10,220 --> 02:36:11,040
Ladies and gentlemen,

2024
02:36:15,420 --> 02:36:16,540
give us your name

2025
02:36:16,540 --> 02:36:17,380
and you have five minutes.

2026
02:36:17,900 --> 02:36:19,260
Hi, my name is Melissa Lindsay.

2027
02:36:19,620 --> 02:36:21,900
Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to speak today.

2028
02:36:22,600 --> 02:36:24,880
I'm a teacher and I'm a member of Clark's

2029
02:36:24,880 --> 02:36:26,820
Montgomery County Education Association.

2030
02:36:27,660 --> 02:36:30,640
And as a member of CMCA, I'm a part of the team

2031
02:36:30,640 --> 02:36:33,180
that collaborates teacher salaries with the school district.

2032
02:36:33,740 --> 02:36:36,320
I felt like to speak up about firefighter pay

2033
02:36:36,320 --> 02:36:38,960
because I see similarities between the professions.

2034
02:36:38,960 --> 02:36:45,540
where both underpaid public employees, even though we are vital to the community, and we're hard to replace.

2035
02:36:46,600 --> 02:36:51,940
One of the key components I addressed with the school district is the salary of teachers and surrounding counties.

2036
02:36:52,640 --> 02:36:59,740
When any of those counties raised teacher salaries, CMCSS also raises our salaries in order to stay competitive.

2037
02:37:00,580 --> 02:37:03,940
That's not happening in the city of Clarksville with firefighter raises.

2038
02:37:04,720 --> 02:37:09,260
Right now, our firefighters have their picket places where they could make higher salaries,

2039
02:37:09,440 --> 02:37:10,940
but they choose to stay here.

2040
02:37:11,880 --> 02:37:17,480
When I asked for the starting salary of firefighters, I was shocked to hear $43,000 in some change.

2041
02:37:18,620 --> 02:37:21,120
These brave men and women run into burning buildings.

2042
02:37:21,700 --> 02:37:24,140
They consult people who've lost their loved ones.

2043
02:37:24,560 --> 02:37:27,960
They carry teddy bears for children who've lost their family members and pets.

2044
02:37:27,960 --> 02:37:33,260
They try to sleep with visions that hopefully most of us will never have to see.

2045
02:37:34,080 --> 02:37:39,300
43,000 in subchange, and I understand that they're getting erased like other

2046
02:37:39,300 --> 02:37:44,060
public employees, but that raise will be approximately a hundred dollars a

2047
02:37:44,060 --> 02:37:50,480
month for those starting firefighters. It hasn't been long ago that

2048
02:37:50,480 --> 02:37:53,880
Clark's legitimacy was lauded as the best place to live in the country by

2049
02:37:55,420 --> 02:38:00,280
How can we say that we're one of the best places to live if we do not have the best public

2050
02:38:00,280 --> 02:38:04,700
services like the fire department and how can we have the best fire department and we

2051
02:38:04,700 --> 02:38:06,360
do not pay the best people to serve?

2052
02:38:07,780 --> 02:38:10,260
I listened to a firefighter the other day at a press conference.

2053
02:38:10,420 --> 02:38:15,340
She moved here like a lot of other people have moved Clarksville because she thought that

2054
02:38:15,340 --> 02:38:18,080
it would provide a better place to live, a better way to live.

2055
02:38:18,080 --> 02:38:25,080
to live in a safe area she and other firefighters have to have two jobs as we've just heard

2056
02:38:25,080 --> 02:38:30,220
sometimes three. Her family member had to drop out of college to help pay the bills.

2057
02:38:31,280 --> 02:38:37,780
They've had to sell many of their possessions. Well $100 a month allow that family member

2058
02:38:37,780 --> 02:38:44,740
to go back to college. I also ask what type of step pay plan firefighters had because

2059
02:38:44,740 --> 02:38:50,640
I hope that maybe the starting salary was low but that they had steady increases like teachers do.

2060
02:38:51,420 --> 02:38:55,200
Again, I was shocked to hear that they don't have a structured step pay plan.

2061
02:38:56,200 --> 02:38:59,820
Teachers have one because experience in the classroom is valued.

2062
02:39:00,280 --> 02:39:06,360
I'm a much better teacher than I was when I started 30 years ago and my experience is valued.

2063
02:39:07,080 --> 02:39:10,360
Our firefighters not valued for that same experience.

2064
02:39:10,940 --> 02:39:16,260
If your house gets on fire, would you not hope that firefighters putting out the blaze

2065
02:39:16,260 --> 02:39:16,980
had experience?

2066
02:39:18,240 --> 02:39:21,320
They don't get bonuses, they don't get education support.

2067
02:39:22,200 --> 02:39:27,800
If other cities can figure out how to pay their firefighters more, then why can't we?

2068
02:39:31,470 --> 02:39:37,010
I know that, you know, just in listening to all of you talk and try to cut money wherever

2069
02:39:37,010 --> 02:39:37,710
you can.

2070
02:39:37,710 --> 02:39:43,810
I understand to just a small degree after listening tonight how hard it is to find the

2071
02:39:43,810 --> 02:39:48,210
funds and I know that you want to do better and I know that you want to serve this community

2072
02:39:48,210 --> 02:39:49,570
to the best of your ability.

2073
02:39:50,190 --> 02:39:55,450
And so when I say these things I'm not trying to be critical of you as people.

2074
02:39:56,930 --> 02:40:00,310
I can't imagine I don't have to worry about the budget.

2075
02:40:00,430 --> 02:40:07,430
I don't know how to make the cuts but what I do know is that we're expecting firefighters

2076
02:40:07,430 --> 02:40:15,800
to give their lives but we cannot but we are not paying them enough to live and I think we can do better

2077
02:40:17,020 --> 02:40:17,760
Thank you

2078
02:40:17,760 --> 02:40:22,460
We have we have room for one more person wishes to address the council

2079
02:40:22,980 --> 02:40:28,620
Seeing none the purpose for which the special session the Clarkson City Council haven't been accomplished. I'll entertain a motion to adjourn

2080
02:40:29,460 --> 02:40:31,180
Without objection. We're adjourned

2081
02:40:32,060 --> 02:40:33,440
Sorry, so we're adjourned