1 00:00:16,449 --> 00:00:18,884 >> commissioner norton will lead us in the pledge. Would y'all please stand, and gentlemen, please remove your 2 00:00:39,839 --> 00:00:42,675 covers. >> I my name is pete davidson. I'm the chairman of planning county 3 00:00:45,745 --> 00:00:48,314 commission. Minutes tonight are being taken by christine blanchet, recording secretary from the 4 00:00:50,383 --> 00:00:53,152 clerk of the court's office. Thank you, ms. Blanchet. 5 00:00:55,321 --> 00:00:55,321 other staff present, we have a planning 6 00:01:01,794 --> 00:01:04,063 director. Kellyn from economic development. Jamie from the legal department. 7 00:01:07,933 --> 00:01:07,933 we have tonight also selig and jenny bryla from the 8 00:01:15,241 --> 00:01:15,742 planning staff. We thank deputies butler and ek from the clay county 9 00:01:22,615 --> 00:01:26,119 sheriff's office. They're here to make sure we behave ourselves, and I don't see anybody else I need to 10 00:01:27,587 --> 00:01:30,957 recognize right off the bat. My fellow commissioners to my right are vice chair 11 00:01:34,026 --> 00:01:37,663 chairman beau norton, puck hp haber, mary bridgeman, to my left -- clay county planning commission 12 00:01:48,107 --> 00:01:51,444 is assistant advisory board to the clay county board of county commissioners or 13 00:01:53,045 --> 00:01:55,214 commonly referred to as bcc. All planning commissioners are volunteers, residents 14 00:01:57,150 --> 00:01:59,619 of clay county appointed by the board of county commissioners. We serve two- year terms and 15 00:02:03,156 --> 00:02:06,292 must reapply if we wish to continue to serve. The commission's duties are outlined in section 163 of 16 00:02:09,095 --> 00:02:12,031 the florida statutes. We hear applications for comprehensive plan amendments, land development 17 00:02:13,967 --> 00:02:17,036 code changes, and rezonings. Most of the decisions made by the planning commission are recommendation to the bcc. 18 00:02:19,972 --> 00:02:19,972 the bcc will have the final say at their meeting either on 19 00:02:24,976 --> 00:02:28,214 the second tuesday, one week from today, or the fourth tuesday, three weeks from today. 20 00:02:34,020 --> 00:02:37,423 zoning and land matter issues start at 5 p.m. And you can check the bcc agenda on the clay county website 21 00:02:44,631 --> 00:02:48,334 for agenda items and times. If there's an item on tonight's agenda that you wish to speak 22 00:02:49,869 --> 00:02:49,869 about, please fill out a comment card, which you can find in the 23 00:02:55,007 --> 00:02:58,744 vestibule and give to ms. Blanchet. So if you're planning to speak tonight, we need one of these 24 00:03:03,950 --> 00:03:07,219 from you. At this time please put your cellphones on silent or vibrate. If you 25 00:03:10,556 --> 00:03:14,160 need to leave the meeting during the meeting, please do so quietly. First item for action by the commission tonight is approval of the minutes from 26 00:03:19,332 --> 00:03:22,402 the december meeting of the planning commission. Do I hear a motion? >> so moved. 27 00:03:24,671 --> 00:03:28,374 >> second. >> any discussion? All those in favor say aye. >> 28 00:03:29,508 --> 00:03:29,508 aye. >> any opposed 29 00:03:34,113 --> 00:03:35,882 same sign. Part of the agenda is we have a section on the agenda that's 30 00:03:39,585 --> 00:03:39,585 called public comment. For this time anything -- 31 00:03:44,724 --> 00:03:47,293 if you want to discuss anything that's not on the agenda but pertinent to this committee, 32 00:03:49,028 --> 00:03:52,565 that's what the public comment period is. I don't have any cards for that, but I'm going to open the 33 00:04:00,005 --> 00:04:02,942 public comment period. Does anybody wish to speak concerning anything relevant to the planning commission? 34 00:04:05,311 --> 00:04:05,311 seeing none, I'll close public comment period. 35 00:04:11,451 --> 00:04:15,287 you're always welcome to the public -- always welcome the public to planning commission 36 00:04:17,723 --> 00:04:20,793 meetings as citizen participation is the backbone of our democratic form of government. Your presence here 37 00:04:21,861 --> 00:04:23,229 is important and appreciated. The process for the meeting will be each item on the 38 00:04:26,165 --> 00:04:30,069 public hearing agenda will be presented by a member of the planning and zoning department, as part 39 00:04:32,238 --> 00:04:35,007 of the presentation staff will indicate whether they recommend approval of the requested land 40 00:04:36,909 --> 00:04:39,945 use zoning or land development code change. Next the applicant will have 41 00:04:40,913 --> 00:04:44,216 an opportunity to speak. Following the applicant presentation, I'll welcome the floor for members of the 42 00:04:46,518 --> 00:04:48,821 public to offer their vews. If you wish to speak during this hearing, you will need to fill out a comment card and give 43 00:04:53,159 --> 00:04:53,159 it to ms. Blanchet, and take the 44 00:04:57,230 --> 00:04:57,230 oath, which ms. Blanchet will administer momentarily. 45 00:05:04,771 --> 00:05:06,872 your speaking time will be limited to 3 minutes. The lights on the podium will help keep track of your 46 00:05:09,642 --> 00:05:11,643 time. Your time is for stating your views, not for asking questions of the applicant, 47 00:05:13,879 --> 00:05:15,814 members of the staff, or the commissioners. Your comments are to be directed to the planning 48 00:05:18,751 --> 00:05:21,787 commission. After the staff, the applicant, and public have had their chance to state their views, the floor will be closed, and the 49 00:05:26,292 --> 00:05:29,862 public comments -- for public comments. And the applicant will have an opportunity to respond to comments by the public. 50 00:05:31,397 --> 00:05:31,397 after that, the commissioners will discuss the 51 00:05:35,501 --> 00:05:38,804 matter, if necessary, and render a decision. Again, I thank you and commendyou for your participation in 52 00:05:42,641 --> 00:05:44,810 the process. We have one card, so if anybody wishes to speak, would you please stand and ms. 53 00:05:50,049 --> 00:05:52,419 blanchet will issue the oath. >> that's including the applicant, please. 54 00:05:55,321 --> 00:05:55,321 ms. Susan, are you speaking at all? 55 00:06:01,627 --> 00:06:03,796 okay. Perfect. Thank you. Raise your right hand please. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you're about 56 00:06:07,032 --> 00:06:10,302 to give will be the truth, the whole truth so help you god? I appreciate you, sir. 57 00:06:12,672 --> 00:06:14,873 >> mr. Schiff, are you speaking tonight? >> yes, sir. >> you need to take the oath, 58 00:06:16,675 --> 00:06:19,378 please. >> do you solalmly swear the testimony you're about to 59 00:06:20,913 --> 00:06:22,615 give will be the truth, the whole truth so help you god? Thank you, 60 00:06:26,285 --> 00:06:26,953 sir. >> thank you. Okay, before we jump into the agenda, I want to make note 61 00:06:30,289 --> 00:06:33,525 that item number 4 on the agenda has been withdrawn, and so we won't be hearing that tonight. 62 00:06:35,628 --> 00:06:35,628 it might reappear at a later date, but -- so that will not be 63 00:06:41,233 --> 00:06:42,735 discussed. So with that being said, we'll move right onto the first 64 00:06:46,572 --> 00:06:46,572 agenda item. Public hearing to consider 65 00:06:52,311 --> 00:06:52,311 comp 25-0017 and zoning 25-037. 66 00:06:56,949 --> 00:07:00,085 and we'll need two votes on this. Ms. Bryla. 67 00:07:01,020 --> 00:07:04,456 >> thank you, chair. Jenny bryla here to present the small scale comp plan amendment 68 00:07:09,528 --> 00:07:09,528 comp 25- 0017, and the companion rezoning piece 25- 0037, as you 69 00:07:18,637 --> 00:07:22,408 indicated. So this is for a 2- acre portion of a lot that is located southeast of blanding 70 00:07:31,650 --> 00:07:31,650 boulevard and west of the intersection of 71 00:07:40,159 --> 00:07:40,159 philmore. The hospice facility will not 72 00:07:45,064 --> 00:07:47,700 be changing. However, the undeveloped portion of the lot to the east is what the proposal is for. You'll notice that the 73 00:07:50,369 --> 00:07:50,369 area slated for development has split zoning and land use. 74 00:07:54,673 --> 00:07:54,673 this is because the way the county administratively 75 00:08:00,046 --> 00:08:02,949 applied commercial uses along blanding boulevard. The property currently has a 76 00:08:04,983 --> 00:08:04,983 land use of commercial and core 10 in a zoning of bb and 77 00:08:10,122 --> 00:08:12,658 ps3. So here you can see the location of the site that is centralally located along 78 00:08:20,900 --> 00:08:20,900 blanding boulevard and the parcel or the 79 00:08:25,003 --> 00:08:26,238 tract they are currently proposing to redevelop. So here you can clearly see 80 00:08:29,374 --> 00:08:29,374 the split land use. So the commercial component is 81 00:08:34,046 --> 00:08:34,046 300 feet from the center line of blanding boulevard. 82 00:08:38,483 --> 00:08:38,483 so that's consist how the county had rezoned property to 83 00:08:44,356 --> 00:08:47,159 stimulate the corridor for commercial uses, but then the piece to the south is still 84 00:08:52,164 --> 00:08:55,701 uc-10. So in order to avoid the split zoning and land use, they have to rezone the entire thing to commercial, or redesignate 85 00:09:02,541 --> 00:09:05,911 the land use for the whole thing to commercial. And these are some 86 00:09:08,213 --> 00:09:10,282 of the comp plan policies that support the change in land use. One is the commercial land 87 00:09:13,185 --> 00:09:16,989 use definition in the plan, and the other outlines how land uses can be designated in the plan. 88 00:09:22,662 --> 00:09:25,564 either to redesignate something as commercial, it either has to be infill or create a unified 89 00:09:28,734 --> 00:09:28,734 plan, and I believe that this proposal does both of 90 00:09:35,173 --> 00:09:35,173 those. So as always, florida statutes 91 00:09:43,715 --> 00:09:46,919 requires us to review a proposal to determine that sprawl is not created. And it does that by identifying 92 00:09:50,022 --> 00:09:50,022 at least four of a 12- prong grouping that says that it 93 00:09:58,865 --> 00:10:01,166 is not sprawl. So staff found that the project does not support sprawl based 94 00:10:03,068 --> 00:10:06,105 on the fact that it directs economic growth towards areas that are currently have infrastructure in place. 95 00:10:10,075 --> 00:10:13,412 and, two, it's considered in fill development as the lot is currently vacant and surrounded on all sides by 96 00:10:17,616 --> 00:10:20,385 commercial development. And, three, preserves agricultural lands by leaving 97 00:10:21,653 --> 00:10:25,357 areas on the fringes of undeveloped. And finally, the project 98 00:10:27,225 --> 00:10:29,662 does not provide further impact to undeveloped open spaces as the project takes advantage of 99 00:10:33,232 --> 00:10:33,232 infrastructure and services already in place. 100 00:10:37,870 --> 00:10:37,870 and so, this is the zoning 101 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:42,240 component. As you can see the bb3 portion that's adjacent to 102 00:10:48,112 --> 00:10:48,112 blanding boulevard and the ps3 portion 103 00:10:52,884 --> 00:10:52,884 in that hot pink in the graphic on the left. 104 00:10:57,355 --> 00:11:00,826 and because you can rezone something to bb any longer, the entire parcel needs to be 105 00:11:02,595 --> 00:11:02,595 rezoned to ba, which allows for child 106 00:11:08,233 --> 00:11:11,103 care facilities. And this is the proposed site plan for the facility. You'll see that the parking is 107 00:11:14,806 --> 00:11:14,806 adjacent to blanding boulevard. The playground is in the rear of 108 00:11:21,279 --> 00:11:21,279 the facility, in which case they will have to -- because 109 00:11:26,852 --> 00:11:26,852 of the commercial land use, our landscape code requires a 110 00:11:33,525 --> 00:11:33,525 10a buffer adjacent to the residential land use on the 111 00:11:37,696 --> 00:11:37,696 southeast side. So on december 1st the brand new 112 00:11:44,236 --> 00:11:44,236 oak leaf brandon ridge cac voted 5- 0 to recommend 113 00:11:48,907 --> 00:11:51,743 approval, and based on the criteria in staff report, staff has 114 00:11:53,212 --> 00:11:56,915 determined it's consist with the comprehensive plan and finds that it is consistent with the land development 115 00:12:02,587 --> 00:12:06,024 code, so I do therefore recommend approval of both items. And I'm happy to answer any questions, and the applicant is here to take any questions 116 00:12:08,761 --> 00:12:09,862 you might have. >> any questions of staff? Applicant? 117 00:12:18,670 --> 00:12:20,772 you want to share anything with us? >> hi. 118 00:12:23,108 --> 00:12:25,276 good morning commissioner and chairman. My name is andrew johnson. I'm project manager for 119 00:12:35,287 --> 00:12:35,287 insight. >> it's on the actual mic. 120 00:12:39,992 --> 00:12:42,161 >> I agree with everythingeveryt hing ms. Bryla said, and I'm here for any questions. 121 00:12:46,432 --> 00:12:49,168 I would just like to add the intent of this vacant lot when the hospice center was developed was for future 122 00:12:52,037 --> 00:12:52,037 development. All utilities are stubbed to 123 00:12:56,208 --> 00:12:59,378 this site with st. John's river water district, we have the about to amend the former permit 124 00:13:02,714 --> 00:13:05,917 because there was planning for storm water management already done at the rear of the site. We have the no problem complying with the landscape 125 00:13:09,454 --> 00:13:11,457 buffers that will be need to be complied with, and I'm here for any other 126 00:13:19,131 --> 00:13:22,233 questions. >> I remember, I think, ralph and I were sitting here when this was originally zoned for 127 00:13:28,473 --> 00:13:32,410 this before that hospice went in. And, yes, it was planned for future development. My concern, though, because I'm very familiar with 128 00:13:35,180 --> 00:13:35,180 that area. I travel it every day -- is 129 00:13:40,819 --> 00:13:44,189 the ingress and egress for that particular tract. There's a traffic light right there at fox ridge, and 130 00:13:48,727 --> 00:13:50,796 then you're -- literally that lot is probably 100, 150 feet just north, I guess, of 131 00:13:55,066 --> 00:13:58,737 that particular location. What is the plan for getting cars flout of there? Are you planning to use that 132 00:14:03,308 --> 00:14:06,111 same ingress for the hospice? >> the intent is to use the same access points that 133 00:14:09,447 --> 00:14:11,516 the hospice facility currently uses. We're not proposing any new access or 134 00:14:14,353 --> 00:14:16,154 entry points along blanding boulevard. We are also conducting a traffic study currently that's 135 00:14:18,923 --> 00:14:20,692 under way, which we're working with florida dot to understand whether the turning 136 00:14:23,695 --> 00:14:25,130 lanes within blanding boulevard immediately adjacent to this site need to 137 00:14:27,699 --> 00:14:30,969 be configured in any way. Preliminary indications from florida dot state we we 138 00:14:34,706 --> 00:14:37,309 are doing a traffic study to confirm. >> thank you. >> I just had one question. So the same 139 00:14:41,345 --> 00:14:44,316 folks that own the hospice are going to develop this? >> we are the developer. We'll be purchasing the land 140 00:14:46,818 --> 00:14:46,818 from them. >> okay. 141 00:14:51,223 --> 00:14:51,223 I was wondering because there'd been a for sale sign on 142 00:14:56,295 --> 00:14:58,664 it, so that's what I was trying to understand. Thank you. >> any other questions of the 143 00:15:00,499 --> 00:15:03,868 applicant? Thank you, sir. >> thank you very much. >> at this time I'll open 144 00:15:05,537 --> 00:15:07,939 the public hearing. I don't have any cards on this. Is there anybody here who wishes to speak on this agenda 145 00:15:13,644 --> 00:15:16,814 item? Seeing none, I'll close the public hearing and bring it back to commission for discussion. 146 00:15:17,815 --> 00:15:17,815 >> mr. Chair, I have a question for staff, please. 147 00:15:23,087 --> 00:15:23,087 actually, I have two. In the comp plan staff report, 148 00:15:29,661 --> 00:15:33,632 we go through these, you know, eight items, right? And as I've said before, I consider them to be subjective 149 00:15:37,535 --> 00:15:40,639 answers, not objective. But in the case of this one, I just wanted to point somethingsomething that I think 150 00:15:44,442 --> 00:15:46,911 is incorrect in there. The second staff finding, it's right above for 151 00:15:55,787 --> 00:15:59,624 the recommendation. It talks about being an infill development. Located between another commercial land use 152 00:16:01,359 --> 00:16:01,359 parcel and a future institutional use 153 00:16:06,365 --> 00:16:10,168 fire station. There's no fire station there. The building that's on the other side of this parcel belongs to 154 00:16:12,337 --> 00:16:12,337 at&t. It's a central office. 155 00:16:16,507 --> 00:16:17,943 it doesn't change, you know, the application in any way, but I think it's important that 156 00:16:22,780 --> 00:16:26,351 we state that correctly. That building that's just to the north, that's an at&t central 157 00:16:32,357 --> 00:16:34,493 office. And the parcel after that is not owned by the county, so I don't know where the 158 00:16:37,696 --> 00:16:40,599 information about a fire station came from, but I don't believe that to be 159 00:16:43,168 --> 00:16:47,072 correct. >> there is a fire station on blanding, but it's probably a mile and a half or so 160 00:16:50,342 --> 00:16:53,645 north of that location. >> not here. The other -- the other item in the zoning one that I would 161 00:17:00,685 --> 00:17:03,154 take a little issue with is the last staff finding, when it says 162 00:17:05,557 --> 00:17:08,393 the intensity and density on the subject parcel will not be changed by this rezoning, to my knowledge it 163 00:17:17,569 --> 00:17:19,504 would be. We -- I've lived in this county for well over 40 years, and that's been a vacant lot, 164 00:17:22,273 --> 00:17:25,009 so if you put anything on it, it's going to change -- >> commissioner, it would be that it's a bb lot, and 165 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:31,282 the intensity of a bb allowance. >> it won't go any worse than that? 166 00:17:34,419 --> 00:17:37,122 okay, I get it. Okay, thank you. Just wanted to ask that. 167 00:17:40,224 --> 00:17:41,025 >> any discussion? >> I move approval of the staff report for comp 168 00:17:46,664 --> 00:17:47,298 25-0017. >> second. >> okay, we have a motion and a 169 00:17:51,603 --> 00:17:52,737 second. Further discussion? I'd like to also make note that this plat -- the site plat 170 00:17:57,508 --> 00:17:57,508 is part of the application. So if anything else goes 171 00:18:02,580 --> 00:18:04,582 in there under ba, it'll have to come back to us. All those in favor of the 172 00:18:07,052 --> 00:18:08,519 motion say aye. >> aye. >> those opposed same sign. Now we need a motion on the 173 00:18:14,659 --> 00:18:15,193 zoning portion. >> so moved. 174 00:18:22,166 --> 00:18:24,602 >> motion. Second. >> and you 175 00:18:27,038 --> 00:18:29,974 second. Any discussion? All those in favor say aye. >> aye. >> all opposed same sign. Okay, it 176 00:18:32,110 --> 00:18:34,312 passes. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, 177 00:18:51,062 --> 00:18:54,032 sir. >> okay, second agenda item is public hearing to consider zon 178 00:18:59,270 --> 00:19:01,906 25-0036. Ms. Bryla again. >> yes, sir. 179 00:19:04,275 --> 00:19:04,275 this is a staff initiated code change that we're excited 180 00:19:10,848 --> 00:19:10,848 to bring before you. This is a request that has 181 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,037 been initiated by staff to allow a zero lot line produc. Currently the only district that would allow for an attached 182 00:19:36,807 --> 00:19:36,807 single- family product would be rc or rz based on the 183 00:19:41,445 --> 00:19:41,445 density, and those properties also in -- include the 184 00:19:47,385 --> 00:19:51,355 master plans in the discussion necessarily. Based on the density it's allowed in rc and rd. 185 00:19:56,361 --> 00:19:59,430 however, the setback criteria in those two districts do not allow for such a product. You could do an 186 00:20:02,667 --> 00:20:04,335 attached single-family product in a pd if you had 5 acres. And in brannenfield, and lake 187 00:20:16,647 --> 00:20:16,647 asbury, as I shared. The amendment will change 188 00:20:22,286 --> 00:20:24,455 the zoning criteria and it will also sunset the rc zoning district. So starting with article 189 00:20:33,498 --> 00:20:36,768 iii, we are proposing that we sunset the rc zoning district. This district is intended 190 00:20:39,404 --> 00:20:43,307 to support 2 and 3- family units. This comprises 45 parcels within the county of which 38 are 191 00:20:49,747 --> 00:20:51,916 well-established. Should someone propose to redevelop the existing eight rc parcels with the 192 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,354 attached single- family product, they would need to transition to the rd zoning district for develop 193 00:21:00,991 --> 00:21:00,991 as a duplex or triplex. So this we're 194 00:21:12,536 --> 00:21:12,536 requesting it sunset after the january 13, 195 00:21:17,241 --> 00:21:19,743 2026, bocc hearing. So you couldn't rezone the same as bb. You couldn't rezone a 196 00:21:22,580 --> 00:21:22,580 property to rc. And then continuing with article 197 00:21:28,886 --> 00:21:32,490 iii, we remove the density requirement for a maximum of 100 acres is required within the urban core category because 198 00:21:36,794 --> 00:21:36,794 it's no longer necessary. And then here is the bulk 199 00:21:45,703 --> 00:21:45,703 of this change request. So we as staff decided 200 00:21:53,010 --> 00:21:54,345 a table would be much easier to understand and make it clearer for the applicant to see 201 00:21:57,781 --> 00:21:57,781 where they are with their front setbacks and side 202 00:22:02,420 --> 00:22:02,420 setbacks. So you can see there the building width line is 25 203 00:22:06,891 --> 00:22:06,891 feet with a 0- foot setback for a 204 00:22:11,496 --> 00:22:11,496 fesable product and a 10-foot for ncaps. 205 00:22:18,736 --> 00:22:18,736 and I'm happy to go through these changes in depth 206 00:22:22,940 --> 00:22:26,544 if you have anymore questions. Then with this table, we can then delete all of these many words that were following in the 207 00:22:35,886 --> 00:22:38,689 code. So then to support that change in article iii, we're changing some definitions in article 208 00:22:46,664 --> 00:22:46,664 1, and we've added in multi-family or multi- 209 00:22:52,770 --> 00:22:56,240 dwelling uses. This is consistent in florida statute. We have deleted definitions that 210 00:22:58,576 --> 00:22:58,576 are inconsistent with that and then renumbered accordingly. 211 00:23:03,914 --> 00:23:03,914 we've also changed the definition of "lot" to 212 00:23:10,020 --> 00:23:13,658 indicate lots with open waterfrontage. Many switch their lot front and rear, which in other places 213 00:23:16,194 --> 00:23:19,597 in the code. We're just making it, again, clearer for the user to understand their opportunities. 214 00:23:25,036 --> 00:23:25,036 and then, again, we're adding a definition of a curved lot so 215 00:23:32,142 --> 00:23:32,142 there's no ambiguity or 216 00:23:38,182 --> 00:23:38,182 lenience. It makes it very clear for people that have a curved 217 00:23:43,487 --> 00:23:43,487 lot line how to measure the 218 00:23:47,758 --> 00:23:49,894 distances. So that's it in a nutshell, and I'm happy to go through any other 219 00:23:56,333 --> 00:23:57,334 changes that you might have, but I know -- or questions you might have. I have had an applicant who 220 00:24:01,005 --> 00:24:01,005 does not have 5 acres, so that a pd 221 00:24:09,147 --> 00:24:12,116 is not allowable for them, and they wanted to do a fee simple townhome product, and we have no way to allow that because we don't 222 00:24:16,954 --> 00:24:20,825 have zero lot line product or setback. >> any questions for staff? 223 00:24:24,428 --> 00:24:24,428 >> I do. So these would be fee simple 224 00:24:33,738 --> 00:24:36,673 lots? >> correct. >> so basically we're going to build row houses, right? 225 00:24:37,875 --> 00:24:39,510 >> it's a townhome product. >> well, I'm going to call them row houses, because if zero 226 00:24:46,217 --> 00:24:46,217 lot lines on both sides -- do we have any restriction on how 227 00:24:51,121 --> 00:24:54,324 long those buildings can be? Zero restriction in the code that says they can -- 228 00:24:55,292 --> 00:24:57,862 >> it's limited to the lot width. >> so if I had a lot that 229 00:25:00,898 --> 00:25:02,934 was, you know, a thousand feet wide I could just string an uncontin ws building? 230 00:25:06,637 --> 00:25:10,007 >> the building code is going to dictate some of that. Outside of the building code will limit how long you can 231 00:25:13,944 --> 00:25:17,381 run. Sorry, I didn't mean to jump in on you. >> no, that's fine. >> the florida building code does have restrictions. 232 00:25:20,051 --> 00:25:23,086 >> because I'm familiar with zero lot line products, but all the ones I've ever seen are more of a single -- single- 233 00:25:30,361 --> 00:25:33,564 family variety, where one side is zero lot and they still have a little bit of an alleyway or gangway 234 00:25:35,933 --> 00:25:38,402 on the other side and the other side is 6 feet. So this really is just mimicking townhomes, or I prefer 235 00:25:43,373 --> 00:25:45,876 to call them row houses, just a common wall between all the items. 236 00:25:47,511 --> 00:25:48,645 is that what we're talking about? >> 237 00:25:53,216 --> 00:25:56,854 that's correct. And it's the same code in the brannenfield and lake lake asbury 238 00:26:00,291 --> 00:26:04,161 master plan. >> and the rest of this chart is standard stuff. So we're still looking to make 239 00:26:05,996 --> 00:26:08,599 sure they have 100- foot depth on the lot. >> yep. 240 00:26:10,868 --> 00:26:10,868 >> and we're still going to have 241 00:26:15,439 --> 00:26:15,439 the 25 and 15-foot setbacks front and 242 00:26:21,412 --> 00:26:22,846 rear. Okay. Mike, do you know what the length of the building is that's allowed before it 243 00:26:25,582 --> 00:26:28,185 becomes an issue? >> so we would have to probably bring in the chief building 244 00:26:30,287 --> 00:26:33,090 official to answer that formally, but I know you've got to have fire separation walls between tenants, and then 245 00:26:35,626 --> 00:26:38,929 you've got to have an even bigger wall after I think it's four assembly 246 00:26:42,066 --> 00:26:42,066 product, and you've got to build something that's even a 247 00:26:46,737 --> 00:26:47,738 two hour rate of assembly. So we'd have to bring the fire marshal 248 00:26:52,276 --> 00:26:55,312 in. >> I'm sure it becomes more of an issue when the buildings go up, but I have a feeling the fire 249 00:26:59,382 --> 00:27:00,784 chief is going to want to have some say about getting his trucks around the back of these. 250 00:27:03,521 --> 00:27:06,723 >> if it's a one or two- story product I don't expect the fire marshal is going to have any product with this. 251 00:27:09,093 --> 00:27:12,195 this is pretty standard. If it's something bigger, I would assume the concern 252 00:27:13,764 --> 00:27:17,168 would be ladder trucks and how tall it is as opposed to how high the ladder truck will go. 253 00:27:18,902 --> 00:27:22,672 that's the only concern I've ever seen or heard from a fire marshal. 254 00:27:27,678 --> 00:27:31,048 >> okay. I'm just aware of a situation where they made a guy move a portable building because they figured it was in the way 255 00:27:33,784 --> 00:27:35,852 of the fire trucks getting behind the building. But that's not really our 256 00:27:38,288 --> 00:27:41,859 issue. That's it. I think it clarifies it. Thank you. >> I just have one question, 257 00:27:44,294 --> 00:27:47,365 if I could, mr. Chair. I think this is a good addition to our code. I see the value in it. 258 00:27:49,966 --> 00:27:49,966 I just want to ask a general question in does it 259 00:27:55,539 --> 00:27:59,076 constrict or reduce in any way what we're currently doing? >> the only restriction it would be for the rc district. 260 00:28:02,846 --> 00:28:02,846 you couldn't rezone to rc any longer, but we only have, like 261 00:28:07,284 --> 00:28:07,284 I said, 45 parcels in the whole county that are zoned 262 00:28:11,822 --> 00:28:14,458 rc. >> okay. Okay, thank you. Appreciate it. >> so as of the 13th, the 263 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:17,828 rc goes away? >> it still remains. You just couldn't rezone to it. 264 00:28:21,165 --> 00:28:24,869 >> everything prior to the 13th is there, but as far as moving forward -- 265 00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:29,105 >> I think your question is can they still build under the rc code if it's zoned that today? 266 00:28:31,374 --> 00:28:33,644 >> yes. >> if it's zoned that way, yes. >> same with bb, yes, sir. 267 00:28:36,046 --> 00:28:39,582 >> okay, I don't have any cards on this, but I'm opening the public hearing. 268 00:28:41,818 --> 00:28:45,656 does anybody wish to speak concerning this agenda item? I see none, so I'll close the public hearing and bring it back to the commission for 269 00:28:50,193 --> 00:28:50,193 a discussion and recommendation. 270 00:28:55,199 --> 00:28:55,199 >> I'll move approval of zon 271 00:29:01,572 --> 00:29:02,939 25-0036. >> I'll second. >> okay, we have a motion and 272 00:29:05,676 --> 00:29:08,011 a second. Any discussion? All those in favor say aye. 273 00:29:10,046 --> 00:29:10,680 >> aye. >> those opposed same sign. 274 00:29:14,317 --> 00:29:18,188 okay. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, ms. Bryla. Next agenda item is 275 00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:22,159 public hearing concerning zon 25-0030. Under ms. Selig's 276 00:29:43,146 --> 00:29:44,748 tutelage. >> good evening. Thisitem is -- it's a text -- zoning text amendment. 277 00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:52,500 it is a carbon copy of a change that was made in the 278 00:29:57,503 --> 00:30:00,039 comprehensive plan just about a year ago. I think it was february, march of last year. 279 00:30:04,376 --> 00:30:07,846 and so that's why I passed out that handout because I realized I didn't include the comprehensive 280 00:30:10,382 --> 00:30:12,918 plan language. All this is changing is it affects the lake lake asbury interchange village 281 00:30:17,389 --> 00:30:21,026 center zoning district, and it is a request to change commercial specifically in a 282 00:30:22,427 --> 00:30:22,427 table of uses that's . 283 00:30:29,601 --> 00:30:29,601 the percentage of -- if you flip over on the attachment 284 00:30:38,376 --> 00:30:39,944 interchange is -- actually, it's the third page of what's in the comprehensive 285 00:30:42,947 --> 00:30:46,918 plan now. It shows commercial slash retail a minimum of 5% and a maximum permitted of 65%. 286 00:30:51,055 --> 00:30:55,026 and so this zoning is doing some exact same thing as going from the existing 40% maximum to the same 65. 287 00:31:04,303 --> 00:31:04,303 for that reason staff is recommending approval, 288 00:31:09,207 --> 00:31:11,009 since it is -- anything in the zoning code is required to support what the policies that are in 289 00:31:16,348 --> 00:31:16,348 the comprehensive plan, so they can't conflict with each 290 00:31:20,785 --> 00:31:20,785 other. So this is matching what's existing in the 291 00:31:27,225 --> 00:31:27,225 comprehensive plan. And it only applies I should say 292 00:31:31,830 --> 00:31:34,032 to that -- >> there's only two, right? >> there's only two properties in the county that 293 00:31:36,134 --> 00:31:39,972 actually applies to, and actually this is the only one of them. 294 00:31:41,540 --> 00:31:44,943 >> there's one at state road 16 the express by the way, and one at the express road in -- 295 00:31:48,613 --> 00:31:50,615 >> hently. >> the other. >> what corner of 16 and the 296 00:31:53,117 --> 00:31:56,021 expressway? >> it's the area around -- >> the whole -- 297 00:31:57,656 --> 00:32:00,692 >> the interchange village center there's a little node about 150 298 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,631 acres. >> I think it's 150. >> a little node right there around that interchange. >> northwest. 299 00:32:06,499 --> 00:32:08,567 >> I don't have the map so I can't -- >> the node I knew. 300 00:32:11,236 --> 00:32:14,873 there was a node there, I didn't realize this one of the two you just talked 301 00:32:15,540 --> 00:32:17,409 about. >> but this doesn't change anything of the village center 302 00:32:19,878 --> 00:32:23,848 itself? >> it doesn't touch village centers at all, and it's only the interchange village center. And it's only, yeah, only those 303 00:32:30,222 --> 00:32:30,922 two parcels. >> any questions of staff? Other questions of staff? 304 00:32:38,664 --> 00:32:42,333 ms. Frasier, you're listed here as the agent. >> always. 305 00:32:44,970 --> 00:32:44,970 good evening. Susan frasier in jacksonville. 306 00:32:51,142 --> 00:32:54,312 and the county approved a planning amendment a year ago, literally february last year 307 00:32:55,981 --> 00:32:59,517 that made this change. It recognized there was quite a lot of residential in lake lake 308 00:33:04,189 --> 00:33:07,892 asbury and that having higher commercial percentage particularly in these two areas, which is at the interchanges where we're seeing 309 00:33:11,062 --> 00:33:13,365 finally some access and demand for nonresidential use, that this was an appropriate 310 00:33:16,535 --> 00:33:18,803 amendment. And so correspondingly, the article 3, which defines all the nuts and bolts how 311 00:33:23,208 --> 00:33:25,076 you develop needs to be amended to match that land use percentage that's currently in the comp 312 00:33:27,512 --> 00:33:29,514 plan. So I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. 313 00:33:32,483 --> 00:33:32,483 >> any question of the applicant? 314 00:33:37,255 --> 00:33:38,923 none? Okay, then I will open up public hearing. And I do have one card. 315 00:33:43,027 --> 00:33:46,598 mr. Schiff. >> thank you, commissioners, for having me today. 316 00:33:51,235 --> 00:33:51,235 I'm here in favor of increasing the 317 00:33:57,842 --> 00:34:01,346 commercial retail. I live in village park, which is right -- 318 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,016 >> hate to interrupt. We need your name and address for the record. >> oh, I'm sorry. 319 00:34:06,050 --> 00:34:07,152 >> that's all right. >> gary schiff, 3272 crocus lane green cove springs, 320 00:34:15,260 --> 00:34:17,929 32003. >> thank you, sir. >> so I'm speaking today, I'm the hoa vice president 321 00:34:24,436 --> 00:34:24,436 for village park, which is the subdivision right next to this 322 00:34:30,108 --> 00:34:32,477 interchange village center, and my house will be actually the closest house to the village center, so I'm kind of 323 00:34:39,784 --> 00:34:41,886 wearingtwo hats. But I'm in agreement with our developer that we need more retail. 324 00:34:46,757 --> 00:34:46,757 this is an ivc. As mentioned there's only 325 00:34:53,865 --> 00:34:57,836 two, this one and 16. So we really need to maximize any commercial retail, but 326 00:34:59,571 --> 00:35:02,106 I'm in agreement. But at the same time I'd like you to consider reducing the residential requirements. 327 00:35:06,411 --> 00:35:06,411 this ivc is in an area where we have completely 100% 328 00:35:17,688 --> 00:35:17,688 single- family homes. There are no condos, no 329 00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:24,062 apartments. This is what I consider the golden triangle bordered by henley, russell and sand 330 00:35:37,242 --> 00:35:39,844 ridge road, so this is our only opportunity for retail. If we can eliminate is go to 0% for residential and not 331 00:35:45,016 --> 00:35:46,317 require, even though the developer may want to include it, but this way he wouldn't be mandated to 332 00:35:50,054 --> 00:35:52,289 have the 10%. So please consider that in -- in future discussions. 333 00:35:56,961 --> 00:35:58,363 thank you very much. >> thank you, mr. Schiff. Is there anybody else who wishes 334 00:36:03,567 --> 00:36:03,567 to speak on this item? 335 00:36:07,972 --> 00:36:07,972 >> my name is helena, and my address is on 336 00:36:13,611 --> 00:36:16,881 file. >> do you mind taking the oath, please? >> I'm sorry. I did come in late. 337 00:36:18,283 --> 00:36:21,919 >> raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, and 338 00:36:24,688 --> 00:36:28,025 whole truth so help you god? >> I do. Sorry about that. 339 00:36:29,394 --> 00:36:33,197 I just want to say they're trying to keep all of the things matching up. It's very important for the consistency to be there, so 340 00:36:35,666 --> 00:36:39,437 I am grateful on that one. As we're talking about the -- this type of zoning with the industrial component as 341 00:36:43,474 --> 00:36:45,910 well that's in there, I don't know if everybody was fully thinking about some of the 342 00:36:48,045 --> 00:36:50,415 industrial components that are -- there's no max on that one, and, you know, there's an 343 00:36:53,818 --> 00:36:56,220 area I do believe off of 17 where you've got a bunch of the homes in 344 00:36:58,322 --> 00:36:58,322 residential, but now there'll be an asphalt company. 345 00:37:03,594 --> 00:37:07,398 you know, and of course the industrial component allows stuff like that. I can't even imagine. I live out there in lake lake 346 00:37:13,504 --> 00:37:16,374 asbury, some of those industrial uses allowed in there. I know we want the niagraws 347 00:37:17,942 --> 00:37:21,179 and the good ones and we may support, but then we get stuck with some of the stuff that 348 00:37:22,780 --> 00:37:25,850 may be a deterrent for some of the home owners. Be mindful of the decisions of things we don't quite 349 00:37:30,155 --> 00:37:33,057 realize when we're doing stuff. But I am grateful they're going to match up. It's very important for 350 00:37:36,193 --> 00:37:37,595 consistency. Thank you. >> thank you. >> if I could, the industrial uses in interchange village 351 00:37:44,169 --> 00:37:46,570 center, they are permitted in the interchange village center at state road 16. Again, that's 150 acres, so 352 00:37:50,041 --> 00:37:52,410 there was felt to be sufficient land to put commercial uses on 16 and at the interchange 353 00:37:54,312 --> 00:37:57,548 and then in the back. 150 acres is a lot of commercial. Industrial uses are 354 00:37:59,150 --> 00:38:02,620 not permitted in the interchange village center at henley. So the current -- 355 00:38:04,922 --> 00:38:08,225 the comprehensive plan does not allow that use in the interchange at village center at 356 00:38:12,262 --> 00:38:14,565 henley. And so I think the suggestion that the residential could be reduced, currently the comp 357 00:38:21,405 --> 00:38:24,275 plan sets that minimum, and this is a regulation consistent with that. If the county wishes to 358 00:38:26,277 --> 00:38:28,880 consider changing that, it would require an amendment to the comprehensive plan to implement something that's 359 00:38:33,151 --> 00:38:34,685 already adopted. But, yes, industrial was thought to be the land was too small to try and fit all of 360 00:38:39,223 --> 00:38:42,893 that into one package. >> anybody else wishes to speak on this agenda item? Seeing none, I'm going to 361 00:38:45,563 --> 00:38:45,563 close the public hearing. And, susan, you've 362 00:38:50,001 --> 00:38:52,470 already explained your portion of that, so you have anything else to 363 00:38:55,740 --> 00:38:57,274 tell us? All right, let's bring it back to the commission for 364 00:39:01,479 --> 00:39:05,449 discussion. >> I'll move the -- excuse me. I'll move the staff report. >> I'll second. 365 00:39:06,884 --> 00:39:06,884 >> I think, if I could, the most important factor is 366 00:39:12,156 --> 00:39:12,156 consistency. We got it in one place, we really need it to be 367 00:39:16,861 --> 00:39:17,695 the same in the other place. >> well, before we vote on 368 00:39:23,234 --> 00:39:23,234 that, we have a motion and a second and discussion. 369 00:39:27,738 --> 00:39:30,942 mr. Schiff recommendation to reduce residential we can't necessarily do that because it will then all of a 370 00:39:33,544 --> 00:39:35,879 sudden become inconsistent with the comp plan. >> yeah. If you felt strongly that it was something you wanted staff 371 00:39:39,049 --> 00:39:40,918 to look into, we could look at that. But we would need to bring you back a comprehensive plan 372 00:39:44,288 --> 00:39:48,159 change first and then again a matching zoning. >> so the goal here is to 373 00:39:49,761 --> 00:39:52,530 move this forward, and then if we really want to change the residential area, we need to come back through the 374 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,369 other door? >> exactly, yes. >> okay, any discussion? All those in favor say 375 00:40:01,472 --> 00:40:01,972 aye. >> aye. >> those opposed same sign. 376 00:40:05,843 --> 00:40:09,413 okay. Thank you all very much. That concludes our agenda except for one business item 377 00:40:15,118 --> 00:40:15,118 that we have. 378 00:40:21,225 --> 00:40:21,225 and we have an administrative thing, and that is the voting 379 00:40:27,331 --> 00:40:27,331 of chairman and vice-chairman. When I assumed this role it 380 00:40:31,402 --> 00:40:33,270 was my understanding it was for a two- year term. However, if you all wish to 381 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,243 change, I'll be more than happy to step aside and turn it over to whoever else wants it. 382 00:40:41,412 --> 00:40:41,412 >> I would say that I would ask for just a vote by 383 00:40:47,618 --> 00:40:50,521 acclimation we keep it as is. >> I think you've done a marvelous 384 00:40:52,556 --> 00:40:52,556 job. >> there you go. 385 00:40:57,294 --> 00:40:57,294 >> remember, you're next. 386 00:41:02,132 --> 00:41:02,132 >> all right then, unless there's any further 387 00:41:06,837 --> 00:41:08,972 discussion, we'll leave the leadership as far as chairman and 388 00:41:11,909 --> 00:41:15,078 vice-chairman as is for another year. >> take a vote? >> I think we do. I'll make a motion that pete 389 00:41:18,282 --> 00:41:21,018 stays. >> I'll second. >> and bo stays. 390 00:41:24,588 --> 00:41:26,456 >> those in favor say aye. >> aye. >> those opposed same sign. Okay, 391 00:41:30,127 --> 00:41:32,029 that's all we have for tonight. So I guess unless anybody else -- oh, wait. I'll open the public 392 00:41:36,333 --> 00:41:38,836 hearing. Does anybody else have anything they want to share with the commission before we adjourn? 393 00:41:40,571 --> 00:41:40,571 seeing none, I'll close the public hearing, and we're