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I'd like to call this meeting, the Clay County Commission to Order. We will begin this evening's meeting with

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invocation from Reverend Till Appling. If you would come forward and give us our blessing. And I will

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tell Reverend This as well as everyone else. When you come up to speak, please make sure that you

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push the button and that the caller or the microphone is green. It speaks clearly in the microphone,

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I identify yourself, and then go forward with that, Reverend.

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It's your, your, your, your, your, your,

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your, let us pray.

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Almighty God, creator of all life and the architect of the universe.

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In humility, we recognize even the founders of this country acknowledged that we are

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depended on the grace and guidance of providence, that unseen hand, that has guided all of humanity

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from ages past.

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We acknowledge our responsibilities to this great land, our country, our state, and this county we call home, to do our very best as stewards of all that you have given us as a free people.

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We ask your providential guidance this night in the matters of this body that what is said and what is decided will be pleasing in your sight and a reflection of our best efforts for the people of this county.

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Consider Lord God our limitations of wisdom and knowledge, and in your grace and goodness

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inspire not only noble deeds and decisions, but fill our hearts with the spirit needed

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that all of the work of this body and all of the deliberations that must take place will be

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accomplished with charity and graciousness. This we pray in the op to the honor and glory of your name,

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Amen. Thank you. Please join me in the pledge.

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Thank

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you.

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Please call the roll.

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Commissioner Nulti. Commissioner Littington. Here. Commissioner Lawson. Here.

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Commissioner Wagner. Here. Mr. Carpenter. Mr. Thompson. Here. Commissioner Johnson.

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That brings us to approval of the seedlings agenda is a motion related to approval of the agenda.

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A move to approve times agenda. Motion has been made for the approval of the

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seedings agenda as published. Is there any discussion? Commissioner Lawson?

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Yes, I would like to change item 7 Senate Bill 190 to after the public comments 7.

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If we could please.

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Mr. Councillor, are we going to need to do that in a form of motion?

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Now, there's at least one other change.

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Do we want to roll them into one?

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Very well.

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Also, it's my understanding and administrator that we have another change on our agenda.

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Yes, thank you, Commissioner.

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Staff would like to withdraw 2023-325, which is approving an application for group insurance

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with standard insurance. We'd like to bring this back before the commission next week so we'd

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like that pulled this evening please. Okay. Just for the second, getting it through,

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Commissioner Lawson is okay. We just roll both those into one motion and just have you make that

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motion. I need to make another one. I would roll that into yours. I don't know. We really need to, but

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the agenda, the two remove the other agenda, I'm just going to just have one vote. I can do it if you

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I move to adjust tonight's agenda to show item number 10 discussion items moved to the item after public comments and the removal of 2023-325 from the regular agenda.

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Motion been made to alter our agenda as just outline discussion.

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Commissioner Johnson.

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I just want to clarify, I still don't understand what's going on.

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We're moving this discussion item for Senate Bill 190 up several places so that the

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people that are here in the audience can be heard and hear this sooner than later and

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probably get home and time for the football game.

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Yes, I believe that's a commission of Austin's intent.

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That's what I'm doing.

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Further questions or discussion?

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Seeing none, you'll recognize to close.

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Please call the roll.

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Commissioner Wagner, Commissioner Whittington.

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Commissioner Lawson.

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Commissioner Carpenter.

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Commissioner Thompson.

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Motion passes 60.

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The brings us to ceremonial matters.

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I believe we want to have one item under that heading administrator.

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Yes.

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I believe Commissioner Lawson has presented a resolution really of support for the

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individuals in Israel and certainly supporting peace in that area of the world and then I would

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defer to her to add any other comments.

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Thank you very much before I do this I just want to say thank you Diana thank you Brandi

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for getting this all written up for me one quick thing if I may years ago was a teenager I had

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talk to my dad who had been in the Second World War and was one of the soldiers that came

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through Germany, and Stoffers, and the atrocities.

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And my dad was Gorilla, and he was tough as a boot, and it was the first time I saw my father

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cry.

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It just was so impactful on me and he explained what the people look like and how horrible

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they were in and all of that. It kind of stuck with me and it has continued to as we hear

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things that go on any kind of prejudice of any nature whether it's for the Jewish community

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or anybody is unforgivable. This particular attack was brutal and so I just wanted to do this

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Just kind of as a remembrance to what these people have been through and how whether it's

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here or any place sells, this is a clay county issue, it's a humanity issue.

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And so I wanted to go ahead and do this, so with your indulgence.

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Whereas clay county is standing with Israel as it defends itself against the barbaric war

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launched by Hamas and other terrorists.

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And whereas on October the 7th, Hamas terrorists launched a massive, unprovoked war on Israel

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by air, land and sea, including firing thousands of rockets, and whereas Hamas terrorists

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crossed the land border and began slaughtering Israelis, abducting hostages, entouns

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and southern Israel, including children and the elderly.

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And whereas, since November the 7th, Hamas has launched over 4,500, 4,500 rockets into southern and central Israel.

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And whereas, since October the 7th, 2023, 23 Hamas, October the 7th, 2023, Hamas, terrorists have killed over 900 Israelis and injured more than 2,600 others.

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And we're as at least 11 now up to 26 United States citizens in Israel among those killed by

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Hamas since October 7th of 2023.

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Now therefore be it resolved that the Clay County Board of Commissioners and citizens

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do hereby support Israel and pray for peace.

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And our governor also issued a statement of this nature, our governor of Missouri.

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So, with that, thank you very much.

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Thank you, Commissioner Lawson.

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I think for the discussion,

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Mr. Carpenter.

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Yeah, I just wanted to suggest,

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you and you updated the numbers.

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What I've seen most recently,

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27 at least Americans that in at least 1200 is really

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died in the terrorist effect.

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So, to the extent that we can update the numbers and the reasons

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and I think that might be a good thing to do.

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Just want to join you in limiting the terrible terrorist attacks that took place in the

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loss of life, a lot of atrocities took place, and there's no excuse for it.

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Obviously, it's a complicated situation in that area and has been for centuries, and it's

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I sincerely hope that, at some point, humanity finds a way to move in a real peaceful direction

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there and across the world and move on from these kinds of despicable acts.

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Thank you.

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I certainly share the sentiments that Commissioner Carpenter, Commissioner Lawson have just

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expressed.

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What we're doing here this evening with this particular action is highly unusual.

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It's not something we do all the time and it's not something I expect us to be doing on a regular basis

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But I think we're looking at a situation that is unfortunately of historic proportions

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So this is and should be an unusual step and that's what makes this

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I think particularly important is because it is out of the ordinary because the circumstances are so out of the ordinary

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that it requires something outside of our usual way of conducting business here that I think

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it is appropriate in this particular case. With that, I'm sending further comments. We will

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move on to public comment.

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Do we need to, we need to vote on that? Because it's, yeah, okay, yeah, we're looking at me like I may forgotten something. All right, very good.

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So this is a point where anybody from the public can come up to make comments of any sort that they would wish.

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It would be great to keep them brief, but please, we do want to hear your opinions. A couple of things, as I just mentioned when the Reverend came up, if you would like to make a comment on a subject of importance to

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you, if you could queue up, if a number of you want to speak, so that we have a line,

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make sure the light is on on the stem of the microphone, state your name and speak clearly

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into the microphone. One of the things that I do want to make mention of is this, we are

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obviously bound by sunshine law here in the, as elected officials, we do want to hear your

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views, but because this is not a subject that has been noticed up under the Missouri sun shine

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law, we cannot necessarily respond to you right now at this moment. I can tell you that

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all of us are very interested in hearing what people have to say and continuing the conversation.

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It's just in this particular circumstance we are not able to carry on a discussion in this

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particular format this moment. So I didn't want you to think that it reflected a lack of interest

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or concern on the part of any of the members of this commission and perhaps in the future

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this will be put on the agenda so that we can have a more interactive discussion on this

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matter but I did want to make sure that you understood the circumstances of how we proceed.

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With that, if there are any citizens who would like to come forward and make a comment of

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interest to them, please feel free to do so just come up to the podium here.

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My name is Lee Molenex, I live in the northern part of Clay County.

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I've been up there for 30 years, built a new house up there, a few years back.

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The roads go into my house off of a 33 highway, which is 184-street landcaster

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and 190-street.

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Since I've been up there, have not been a good road at all, period.

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They have come out and tried to fix it, but lack of knowledge or whatever it is, they have

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not fixed that road.

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They come back, they've tried to patch it, the road is beyond patching to repair and my question

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which I'm not going to get answered tonight, which is okay.

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They asked fault paved a couple of years ago, all of the roads on the west side of 33

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highway, 184 street down all through Carriage, they went right down landcaster to 190 street

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when across the bridge on I-35 and they asked fault paved everything to Excel's just

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springs.

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My question is, why, why didn't they do that road too?

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Well, that road is atrocious.

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If anybody would like to cool up and drive down that road, I would advise you to do it.

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We'd like to have something done to this road other than trying to patch it, because

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it's patching it is not feasible.

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It needs to be asphalt paved, like the rest of them got done, and I'd like to know why

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it didn't start with.

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So that's my complaint.

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is the Rhodes. Who is Carl's? There's not discussions with what I think I say. Carl is our deputy administrator in charge of highways and roads.

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Okay. And in Terry, is that under him? Yes. Okay. He's either one of them here tonight.

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Yes, but once again, you know, we as elected officials, I understand, I just want to who he is.

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I've talked to Terry before, I've never talked to Carl.

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Terry is a female as a lady.

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All right.

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Well, okay.

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Thank you.

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Administrative.

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Did you have something to add?

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I'd just like to say, I spoke to Mr. Moll next earlier today.

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We have this contact information.

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So we don't have his answers today,

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but he did express his concerns to me and staff will be in touch to give you some of those answers

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that you've asked to see.

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I appreciate that.

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And I'd also like to say to all the people that I brought with me, I wish your opinion.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Would anyone else wish to come forward and express an opinion or a view?

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My name is Alex Blakely.

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I live on landcaster.

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When we bought 10 years ago, we bought in Clay County, one for the schools, but two

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is I didn't want to live on gravel, and we could have bought a lot more for a lot less

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and paid a lot less taxes if I would have moved up into Clinton County, because we are right

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there on that border, and yeah, the road has always been bad, they re-did the chipping seal

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wants, and it was gravel for months, and I made it complaint then, I'm like, I didn't pay,

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I don't pay this much to live on grab.

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This was done on purpose.

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So yeah, I would appreciate it if our roads got addressed

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because it, the potholes are terrible.

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You just, you play dodgeball going up the road every day

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to our kind of status potholes.

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I know people have had tire issues from them as well

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because if you just, you forget it's there

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and you hit it, you're gonna know it.

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So I know there's a lot of people

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getting card damage from it.

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So I appreciate your time.

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Thank you, sir.

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Is on the east side of I-35, it runs from P.P. all the way down to Boggs Farm.

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They just chipped and sealed it.

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Now I don't know if the county chipped and sealed it, or if they had a contractor chip

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and sealed it, but it's a terrible, terrible job.

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They went south of 190th, all the way down, and there's four houses on that road down to

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Boggsfront.

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I live on West Outer Road, which is all gravel.

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Well, if they can ship and seal the road, this basically, do East to me.

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Why can't they do something with my road?

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We've had issues, cold or issues, other things, had to call accounting three or four times

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to get him to come out and grade the road.

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It was getting in bad shape.

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I'd like somebody to look into that basically,

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just drive down stock road and see what a terrible job

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is done.

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And I sure hope when you repair a hundred and nine

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yes, landcaster at 184, you just don't come out

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and ship and seal it and walk away

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because there's a heavy volume of traffic on there.

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That's all I have to say.

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Mr. Chair, my name is Martin Schmeltz. I live on West Island, one eight five time West

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Island,

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West Island, just one. I think something I like to say is if it is administrative

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you seem to be gathering names and contact information. So when you get up to speak, if

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you would like to be on that list of people contacting, please make sure that you talk to

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the administrator and give them your information commissioner and Johnson.

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Thanks, sir. Marty, have you talked with anybody from a hiring department yet about this?

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I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We can't engage. Yes, we can. This is not a sunshine biologist.

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Commissioner, excuse me. Council, what is your call on this?

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We can use your mic.

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If it's not on or agenda, we're not supposed to be talking about something that would be a violation of the sunshine law.

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Yeah, I mean, I tried to stay on the right side of it, but I did not give it an impact on your nation.

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So we've got a meeting posted with topics, right?

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We can talk about those topics because that's a bit of, to have a substance discussion of something not on that.

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Right, we're not having a substance discussion.

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I'm just curious if he's talking about hard department. Sure. That's all.

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No, I've called the maintenance department numerous times,

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County maintenance roads, but that's as far as I've gone with it.

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Okay. And how many people are here because of the roads?

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Okay, this is ridiculous that these many people have to come to a commission meeting to talk about this.

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There should be someone from the highway department should be meeting with these people

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and taking care of these problems.

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I don't fix roads.

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The highway department does that.

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And there's a problem.

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There's many people are coming to the commission to talk about their roads.

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In my opinion, there's probably just some miscommunication going on.

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There has to be some better communication with our citizens of what's going on,

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why the roads aren't done or when they're going to be done to those kinds of things.

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And one of the, if they've been opting for either Terry or Kindle Carl things off, but for

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Terry or someone from a hard part to sit down with these good folks and just say, hey, listen, this

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we're out with these things.

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This is what we're going to do.

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This is our schedule.

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This is going to get to years when we're going to get it done.

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I mean, administrative.

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Can you comment on that at all?

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No, no.

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I think so.

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I think we are getting into a substantive discussion.

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Now, I think to me, the idea would be to notify, notice it up for our next meeting.

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and to have this discussion. I think it's a good discussion I have, but there are laws that

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we are bound by. Citizens are not bound by, by the way, you are not bound by sunshine law.

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We are bound by sunshine law.

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Understood. Thank you for your time. Appreciate it if you'd look into it. Commissioner, I'm sorry,

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Commissioner Johnson, you did, I was trying to express that, you still have the floor,

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or so, if you, did you want to speak any of it?

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Well, I think it sounds like I've been talking to you.

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There's going to be a panel this for me.

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But I will make a point here at clarification.

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I would like to see the law that says we cannot respond

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to citizens when they ask this, of course.

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It's, I've read the sunshine.

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And if you can put it out to me, I'd love to see it.

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And then, once again, I have to depend on County Council,

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Mr. Councillor.

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Yeah, my view, my reading the law is that if we have a sub-sub discussion

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of something that hasn't been noticed

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for the public, it's a violation. The public has an opportunity or it has the right to know

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when public business is going to be discussed. If we want to have a discussion about 189

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street, 184 street, that's certainly appropriate. It just should be published so that the public

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has a awareness of it.

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If you want to inquire about the council, please go right ahead.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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I didn't realize it went off.

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There you go.

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So my understanding is it is reasonable for us to notice it.

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There would be certain things that we don't get to notice.

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So we can't notice.

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We certainly can't notice when somebody comes up here last minute and ask a question.

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Now, if I wasn't sitting up here and I was down there and there asked me the question.

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I can answer it.

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But to say that because I'm sitting up here, I can answer it.

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That's ridiculous.

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The sunshine law just tells us we have to have reasonable notice and there's no one in the sunshine law

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Then I'm not trying to challenge our counselor on this, but this is discussion we need to have

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There's no because it frustrates me. I've seen it other places to you where people assistance come up to the podium and ask a simple question

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And we hide behind the sunshine law that we can answer your question. No, we can't we're responsible for this can we're responsible for these potholes

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If they have a question we need to be able to explain why they haven't been filled or where to go to get those answers

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And I'm going to even have a full discussion, I'm just saying, hey, we need to have our

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highway department talk with these people and take care of these problems.

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That's not a discussion.

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That's just some direction.

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But there's nowhere in the sunshine, well, this says, we cannot answer a question, although

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we can't even have a discussion with someone who comes to the podium.

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It doesn't clearly say that in the sunshine.

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If it does, I would love to see that.

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Because it makes our job a lot easier if we're going to have to answer questions of anybody.

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But I don't think that's why we're here.

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And it just frustrates me if I was on the other side.

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And I took time out to come to a meeting on Thursday night to ask a question about my commission because nobody else can get the job done after all the commission to say, hey,

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can someone phone my potables and for them to say, sorry, such on law, I can answer your question, that's ridiculous.

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That's not what governments about, but that's my two

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-commissioner within, can I believe you are seeking where a condition?

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Yeah, so I think, Diana, I mean, there's 30 people here that want to have a conversation about roads.

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I've been a broken record on our roads.

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Our roads are an embarrassment.

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The highway department needs to step their game up and do a better job.

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I've been a broken record also in asking for a 10-year road plan.

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This is exactly why.

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We should be able to tell these folks when their roads are going to be upgraded and improved.

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I think we need to have a serious conversation.

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And I'm going to renew my request that a 10-year road plan

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be submitted with this year's capital budget request from the highway.

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Commissioner, once again, this is a time for...

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That's fine.

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There you go.

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This is what I want to say.

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Excuse me.

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Well, I try not to interrupt you because I'm trying to give you

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some man now speak.

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Thank you.

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What I'm trying to say is, first off, this is a time for public discussion.

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We sitting up here are not public.

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This is a time for them to express their views.

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We should engage in a discussion and there is a lawful and a prescribed way for us to

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do it.

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I can't answer for what conversation you may have had outside of my presence.

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That's right, so in the next week or so, yes, that would be absolutely fine.

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Commissioner Lawson.

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I don't want to get into a big fight. The only thing I wanted to say was that since April,

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I have been trying to get that road fixed.

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Mr. Molinix and I have talked more than my husband and me have talked.

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But, and I would ask, I would get promises made.

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But what the ones you have got?

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Bottom line is, yes.

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We need to get this squared away.

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This is something that if I would like to ask our counselor that he do a little bit of research on this issue and see if there's a loophole or something that in the future when people make this time to come down here that we're and I see where you're coming from Jerry I you're I know

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All right, as the way this is set up, but we need to make sure, then, certain sure, that with the new government that we have, whatever, that there isn't a way that we can work around that and be able to address people's issues when they take the time to come down.

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And the method for doing that is forced to notice it up under discussion, otherwise, one of the reasons for this law to be in place is so that other commissioners are not blindsided and so the public is not blindsided.

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It is one thing if we disagree with the law, that's fine, but we are, but we are, but we are bound by the law, and so I'm going to ask commissioners to please stay in compliance with sunshine all.

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Commissioner.

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Yes, Councillor.

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May I go.

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The question's been asked.

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I'll just read from 610-020.020.

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Do you owe it a little more near microphone there?

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Thank you.

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All public governmental bodies shall give notice of the time date in place of each meeting and it's

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tentative agenda.

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And here's what I believe to be the role of the park.

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In a manner reasonably calculated to advise the public of the matters to be considered.

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And that's the role goal of the Sunshine Law is that public business happens and the public

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gets snow when that happens.

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As opposed to, you know, people show up and you have a free fall discussion, but the rest

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of the public who might want to have input into that discussion have no opportunity to be put

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on notice of that discussion.

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So that's how we've always done it.

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That's why I think a fair reading of the statute in the Sunshine Law.

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Thank you, because there have been a number of times before this body, not this particular

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iteration of the body, where we have had issues come up out of the blue and discussed

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in violation, and that is not fair to the public or other commissioners.

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There is obviously time later on, our agenda when it comes to comments for commissioners,

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those comments would then be in order.

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But once again, I would ask commissioners to stay in compliance with state statute, you may proceed.

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Thank you.

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And thank you all for considering this topic.

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My name is Christina Drucker.

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I also live on 190th Street.

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I will say in regards to talking about when POTC can get filled.

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There were actually people there today filling some, but why also I'm not a road person.

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It's quite laughable how they were getting fixed.

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That work from home so I can see all the traffic that goes by and I could watch them and it was just, you know, traveling

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asphalt out, maybe spreading it a little bit, but no tamping it down or anything, so I mean, hopefully that's something that with discussions with the highway department if that's the direction that's used to go, that could also be addressed as if the people doing the work are trained properly.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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What do anyone else have to come up and make comment?

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Hi, my name is Zach Lonestein. I live on a 190th street. First off, I appreciate those of you who share some concern.

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I understand you guys have procedures to follow, but definitely appreciate you guys. I mean, you guys are elected officials, so

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I appreciate you guys here and us. I can't say too much that hasn't been said already.

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The road is pretty laughable and needs attention. We pay a lot of taxes in this county.

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I think somebody else mentioned, we could go live somewhere else for a heck of a lot less, but we've all chosen to play county.

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So we'd appreciate you guys giving some attention to this.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Zayne, when else we'd like to come forward to make comment.

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A little bit of west out of road, and it is gravel.

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And I believe it's pretty dangerous when you, when you re-grabble the road, they put dust on it.

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And when you're driving down, it's right next to 35, and all that dust blows over to 35.

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And you see the traffic on the highway slowing down and that causes for danger. So I do I'd like to see that get chip and sealed

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Just for that alone

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Not to mention it's it's time to update the road there on west out of road

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That's all I thank you

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Thank you very much

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Anyone else like to comment

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oh, I'm

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sorry you certainly you can come up and talk about any issue you want on the as far as the property tax issue goes

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we're going to be taking that up next so if you would like to make comment at that time

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you talk about the Senate Bill 190 that will be our next item so that would you can

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either when you care to comment on it. We can respond to you on the other when the

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man 90 further discussion or excuse me for the comments from the public. Okay, seeing none

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that brings us to our discussion item as we did alter our order of our agenda administrator

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Thank you, so there has been a lot of discussion at the Commission level and also a committee that's been put together that has been facilitated by Commissioner Lawson.

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And so the request was to have this on the agenda for the Commission to discuss and give an update on what the committee was progressing.

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and I believe there's sort of a draft ordinance to kind of as a starting point for discussion

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purposes. There was also in your packet a letter because one of the things and I don't

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mean take your thunder but one of the things the committee had talked about was the commission

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considering a letter to be sent to all the legislators from Clay County in Jefferson City about

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some items that possibly they might take up for clarification during this next session starting

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the January of 2024. So we have that there also that the commission may want to talk about and discuss and see if that's an

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action that you wanted to do. And so with that I would turn it over to Commissioner Lawson to maybe give an update on the committee and

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and what discussion you have.

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Commissioner Lawson, if you'd like to start the discussion.

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Okay, thank you very much. Just wanted to say that for the citizens especially that are here.

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We have been working on this bill since before the governor actually signed it.

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And we formed a committee and I just so that you know how involved everyone was.

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We had my self, we had Commissioner Nolty and Commissioner Johnson because we can only

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have three commissioners in a room together without breaking the sunshine law.

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I think otherwise everybody would have been involved, but we had those three individuals that were working on it.

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Along with, we had our assessor.

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We had our auditor.

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We had the assessor's lawyer.

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Mr. Lucas Wallingford.

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We had our collector Barbara O'Reilly.

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We had her second in command, Randy McIntosh, who was, is it brilliant?

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We had a treasure of Bob Nance, our administrator, Diana Wright, and our counselor Kevin

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Graham.

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So it was a, I hate to put that in my own words, but it was a really intelligent group.

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And we really went after this to make it as good as we possibly could for the citizens.

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The bill was a little wonky in the aspect that there was some some language that wasn't as clear as it could have been.

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And this is what Diane is talking about. We're trying to get those individuals at Jefferson City

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to look at some of those great areas, make them exact, so then we can go ahead and get this in forced.

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Last week, Jay Johnson made a great suggestion, and he asked that our auditor go ahead and formulate this ordinance for us.

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And so he did, and he did it in one day.

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Commissioner, Commissioner Worthington, jokingly said to him,

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well, can you have that ready by tomorrow?

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And he did, he had it ready the next day.

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Everybody here has had it in their possession for a while.

444
00:39:08,170 --> 00:39:11,110
So kind of what I'd like to see us do

445
00:39:11,110 --> 00:39:14,470
is to talk a little bit about the bill, areas

446
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:16,450
that you have concerns about,

447
00:39:16,450 --> 00:39:22,610
that we need to let our staff know so we can make the changes and

448
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:29,570
then further it helps Jerry when he goes to Jeff City to clarify everything with the people there.

449
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:34,950
So I'm going to step back and anybody that wants to

450
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:38,630
bring that forward then let's do it and get it discussed.

451
00:39:38,970 --> 00:39:41,610
Commissioner, I'm going to leave your mic on please.

452
00:39:42,370 --> 00:39:45,010
Could you just go through some of the high points?

453
00:39:45,010 --> 00:39:47,190
because not everyone has a copy of it in front of them.

454
00:39:47,310 --> 00:39:49,710
So if you could kind of go through the point,

455
00:39:50,090 --> 00:39:51,230
then we'll go ahead and I think then everybody

456
00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:52,590
will be able to hear more.

457
00:39:53,070 --> 00:39:53,970
That's why you're presiding.

458
00:39:55,150 --> 00:39:59,470
One of the main things, and this is the key,

459
00:40:00,190 --> 00:40:05,590
you're 62, and in the bill it says Social Security eligible.

460
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:08,670
Now does that mean you take Social Security

461
00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:10,650
or you could if you wanted?

462
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:12,330
That's one of the gray areas.

463
00:40:12,330 --> 00:40:20,930
But the key is 62, you own your home, it is your primary residence.

464
00:40:21,390 --> 00:40:27,590
Those are key issues, because some folks may have a home that, you know, vacation home or something of that nature.

465
00:40:27,890 --> 00:40:30,010
Doesn't count, it's your primary residence.

466
00:40:30,830 --> 00:40:32,650
So those are some of the key issues.

467
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:37,550
Something I do want to mention, I'm glad you gave me another moment.

468
00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:51,510
Commissioner Note and our auditor and myself met with the school districts and we met with all the school districts at one time.

469
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:58,670
We had Smithville, and Carnie, and North Casey, and Lawson, and I don't know...

470
00:40:58,670 --> 00:41:06,330
Excel's here? Excel's here. We had all of them there together, and we went over the bill,

471
00:41:06,750 --> 00:41:14,230
and we also went over how little it will impact the school districts, because that's something we think about too.

472
00:41:14,590 --> 00:41:20,850
We don't want to do anything to harm the education, but we also feel that people that have

473
00:41:20,850 --> 00:41:29,250
their taxes, all their life deserved a break. So we did give them the bottom line information.

474
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:36,730
They had some questions, but all in all, I felt as though they were fairly willing to work

475
00:41:36,730 --> 00:41:43,110
with us on the bill. So that made me feel a lot better. But that's the high point. You've

476
00:41:43,110 --> 00:41:52,610
to be 62 and you've got to become 62 in the year that this all takes place. So you can't

477
00:41:52,610 --> 00:42:00,350
be 59 and say, well, I'm going to be 62. You've got to be 62 in that year. So anyway,

478
00:42:00,770 --> 00:42:02,030
with that, go ahead.

479
00:42:02,190 --> 00:42:04,010
Mission away, I think, don't I believe you start recognition?

480
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:11,010
Yeah, maybe Commissioner Johnson or Lawson or staff, have we, have we figured out the,

481
00:42:11,970 --> 00:42:15,530
the, oh, the collector was going to have to get some kind of new software.

482
00:42:15,870 --> 00:42:17,290
Have the vendors done their update?

483
00:42:18,030 --> 00:42:22,630
So staff has been in conversation with our current software vendor and what it would take,

484
00:42:22,890 --> 00:42:26,870
because this does take a lot of change in calculation and making sure we get it correct.

485
00:42:27,550 --> 00:42:31,210
We have also been interviewing other software vendors,

486
00:42:31,210 --> 00:42:34,310
to see what products are out there and what's available.

487
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:37,030
So those discussions are going on.

488
00:42:37,230 --> 00:42:40,250
We know their may or may not be a cost with this.

489
00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:40,710
It depends.

490
00:42:41,090 --> 00:42:45,430
Our current vendor is looking at that because it is legislative driven.

491
00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:49,810
They may be required under our contract to make the necessary changes

492
00:42:49,810 --> 00:42:53,050
without the or not we don't know.

493
00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:55,670
So there's still lots of conversations that are going on.

494
00:42:55,730 --> 00:42:57,170
But yes, we are pursuing that.

495
00:42:57,170 --> 00:43:07,030
Okay, also section 30806 section C says property tax credit.

496
00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:11,910
An eligible tax payer is authorized to receive a property tax credit upon the submission

497
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:16,970
and approval of an annual application by eligible tax payer.

498
00:43:17,230 --> 00:43:22,410
Why are we asking the taxpayers to do an annual application when they're not getting any younger?

499
00:43:24,350 --> 00:43:36,290
So, some people might like to be getting younger, so the thought process on that is, the first application will be a very thorough application to ensure eligibility, right?

500
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:46,130
But we are going to ask that there is an annual renewal, because in essence what an annual renewal will be, will be an affidavit that I am the senior I'm swearing.

501
00:43:46,130 --> 00:43:48,150
That is still my primary residence being.

502
00:43:48,190 --> 00:43:52,690
I haven't gone to live with my sister in California and I've moved my kids in.

503
00:43:53,110 --> 00:43:55,790
So they're really going to be certifying and notarizing.

504
00:43:56,290 --> 00:43:59,150
I still live there, you know, it's still my primary residence.

505
00:43:59,470 --> 00:44:05,490
So the renewal will be much easier and simpler on the applicant than the initial application.

506
00:44:06,130 --> 00:44:08,810
Okay. And so Commissioner Lawson and Johnson,

507
00:44:09,130 --> 00:44:13,890
do you guys feel that we are at a place where we can pass this year?

508
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:39,970
I'd like to see you get done sooner rather than later. I know we've, you guys have put a lot of work into this, so, you know, I'd like to move forward with this and my, my proposal would be, or, you know, my, I know this is just a discussion, but would be to get this on next week's agenda for a group. That's where I'm in.

509
00:44:43,310 --> 00:44:46,370
Hold on a second. There you are, Commissioner.

510
00:44:46,990 --> 00:44:47,590
All right, thank you, sir.

511
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:54,670
Yes, so this was kind of a draft and I don't think it's been through the whole committee yet.

512
00:44:55,230 --> 00:44:57,510
And I don't know if it's been vetted completely by legal yet.

513
00:44:57,930 --> 00:44:59,890
So if it's ready for a game time yet.

514
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:10,220
I think it's a good product to start with, and I think we can expedite getting through those things through the committee just to, so what I think we need to do is look for loopholes.

515
00:45:10,220 --> 00:45:16,680
And we're some things that number one will keep the strong legally, so I hope any legal challenges,

516
00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:23,460
but also, okay, there's people out there being going to find loopholes in this, going to find some way to either the challenges or to make a mockery of it.

517
00:45:23,860 --> 00:45:30,460
So by having some more eyes, have a look at this, there's some experts have a look at this, we can maybe fine tune a little more, if we need to,

518
00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:36,920
and then bring it back is what I would think we would do for, as soon as we could, for approval from this body.

519
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:49,780
Yeah, I'd like to make sure we can get this done, you know, by the end of the year, because I know, you know, SB190 says it takes effect January 124, so I'd like to, I'd like to get this done by the end of the year.

520
00:45:51,700 --> 00:46:03,640
By the way, I'd like to point out that I've had discussions with the number of people from the legislature, including the Bill Sponsor, and there will be certainly an efforts made to alter this.

521
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,320
Well, I do think we should be moving ahead reasonably quickly.

522
00:46:07,660 --> 00:46:12,480
I think we need to make sure also that we are taking into account of what those changes may be.

523
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,380
And we may well have to end up rewriting this, depending on what those changes are.

524
00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:22,000
The principle being our Commissioner Lawson had outlined that is age 62.

525
00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:27,500
The law, in fact, as Ritten talks about Social Security eligibility.

526
00:46:27,740 --> 00:46:31,880
One of the things that obviously we've talked about, not just within the task force,

527
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:38,620
but in the body as a whole is that not everybody is so security eligible under the way

528
00:46:38,620 --> 00:46:44,360
the statute is written, it could certainly be easily construed to not include retired teachers,

529
00:46:44,540 --> 00:46:50,680
to not include retired railway workers. We need to have clarification and we need to make sure

530
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:59,520
that that everybody is included and they're not excluded by virtue of the fact that they engage

531
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:04,620
one of those two professions and therefore might not be eligible. So we definitely need to be

532
00:47:04,620 --> 00:47:10,940
to have clarification. So while I think moving ahead as quickly as possible is important,

533
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:17,140
I think we cannot ignore the fact that there will be change. The only thing that will not,

534
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,120
the one reason it would not change next year is if the legislature was unable to

535
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:28,920
to reach that level of functionality, I guess is one way to put it, but it is absolutely

536
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:36,600
the intention of the sponsor to make that 62 not social security eligible, that changes

537
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,920
things, that changes things dramatically.

538
00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:44,080
So I think we need to be working as we have been with our delegation, Jefferson City, to

539
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:49,640
not only implement those changes that we believe should be made, but also to make sure that

540
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:57,120
what we write is going to be in compliance because it's important that we are in compliance with the law as passed.

541
00:47:57,580 --> 00:47:58,900
Can I finish now, sir?

542
00:48:00,020 --> 00:48:00,960
That was, I wasn't done.

543
00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:02,760
Well, you were certainly, you know, yes.

544
00:48:03,380 --> 00:48:08,000
So, all right, so that helps, Jake, because I would like to see us pass this by the end of the year.

545
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,060
You know, we've been accounting for 200 years.

546
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,780
This wouldn't be the first time that we've passed something and had to make an amendment to it.

547
00:48:14,780 --> 00:48:20,360
So I'd like to see as passive as the law currently states and then if the legislature makes

548
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:25,820
any changes, Mr. Lawson, Commissioner Johnson, you know, then we can come back and we

549
00:48:25,820 --> 00:48:27,980
can make some amendments and change it as needed.

550
00:48:28,460 --> 00:48:28,660
So.

551
00:48:28,660 --> 00:48:29,920
Man, I can't imply our view of commissioner.

552
00:48:29,980 --> 00:48:33,320
We think because you said you wanted to pass this, so it is compliant with the state statute.

553
00:48:33,540 --> 00:48:41,560
So are you saying not doing the 62-year-old, so I want to pass what we have, 62, and then

554
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,200
there's any changes that we need to make, we can come back and amending.

555
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,840
So I'd like, I'd like what we have right here and then we can make any changes if the

556
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,800
legislature makes any changes, we can make changes then.

557
00:48:54,140 --> 00:48:55,500
So that's where I'm at.

558
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:03,160
Commissioner Wagner, I believe you are up the queue next then Commissioner Lawson, hold on a second.

559
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:07,480
There you go, there we go.

560
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:08,400
Green means go.

561
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:08,940
All right.

562
00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:14,820
I do have a few questions and give me the high sign when kickoff is and I'll stop.

563
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:22,600
So a few things first, this was the reassessment, you're correct.

564
00:49:24,220 --> 00:49:24,500
Yes.

565
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:25,280
Okay.

566
00:49:25,940 --> 00:49:32,960
Our ears are reassessment, so people's assessed valuations, they will see that increase

567
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,080
this November on their tax base.

568
00:49:35,380 --> 00:49:36,200
So it's every odd year.

569
00:49:36,780 --> 00:49:42,500
Well, that's what I thought, and that's why I just call attention to one could take action

570
00:49:43,260 --> 00:49:48,100
with respect to 2024, but I really wouldn't matter because your assessment doesn't happen

571
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:49,020
until 25.

572
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:57,340
And so that's all to suggest a few different ways one could go with this one could pass something

573
00:49:57,340 --> 00:49:57,740
with it.

574
00:49:57,820 --> 00:49:59,960
It's effective date at a later point.

575
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:06,080
You could wait and see what the legislature does, but I guess I would be remiss if

576
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:13,000
I didn't at least point out that the lower tax burden doesn't come into effect for a bit,

577
00:50:13,540 --> 00:50:19,340
which then allows opportunity to, I don't necessarily say slam on the brakes, but you

578
00:50:19,340 --> 00:50:23,580
can coast a little bit to see what happens otherwise.

579
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:28,060
Or again, take some action that doesn't actually take effect until later time frame.

580
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,620
So, but I didn't want to make sure that I had my years right on that.

581
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:36,720
I do have some concern that the

582
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,620
Designing Commissioners brought up,

583
00:50:39,540 --> 00:50:41,930
and maybe this fits in the same category as the 62,

584
00:50:42,460 --> 00:50:45,640
but clearly, so the way I've always learned it,

585
00:50:45,660 --> 00:50:46,950
kind of counselor can correct me,

586
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,480
is you cannot do something

587
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,760
that the state has not,

588
00:50:53,820 --> 00:50:57,060
or has expressly said yes or no,

589
00:50:57,500 --> 00:50:58,560
you can go beyond,

590
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,460
but you can't be in conflict.

591
00:51:01,460 --> 00:51:08,520
with. And so the issue raised concerning the teachers, the railroad workers, and I guess we're

592
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:16,680
going to go into is it, I can't remember if the state statute is either silent or specific

593
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:22,740
in what they say to those folks, but there is a little bit of that fairness in me that says,

594
00:51:22,740 --> 00:51:28,620
you know, if you're going to do it for everyone except these folks, then there's an issue

595
00:51:28,620 --> 00:51:32,880
there and I, you know, not to say it's a good issue or bad issue, just there's an issue.

596
00:51:33,860 --> 00:51:38,760
And if you're looking for that or I can have the answer and what this, I just bring it

597
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,880
up and believe it at that for the moment.

598
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:50,260
Under E1 where it says the completion and it suggests that the form required is to, to the

599
00:51:50,260 --> 00:51:58,600
county clerk honor before September 30th, I do find that to be a pretty tight date to

600
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,060
to be able to then execute against that with the others.

601
00:52:02,380 --> 00:52:03,980
Thank you very much.

602
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,740
Against the juristic, so I'm no, that's correct.

603
00:52:07,180 --> 00:52:09,820
We, we'd stand to have conversations at the committee level,

604
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,000
looking at process and timing.

605
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,920
So what we are envisioning is whatever year this would go into effect,

606
00:52:17,540 --> 00:52:19,280
that from a January through March,

607
00:52:19,460 --> 00:52:21,100
would be the application process.

608
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:23,500
Especially those first few years,

609
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,060
because we expect to receive a number of applications

610
00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:29,400
for every video that is eligible, right?

611
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,000
From year going forward after the first two or three years,

612
00:52:33,140 --> 00:52:35,120
we would expect it will be those individuals

613
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:40,020
that move into Clay County or Bata Home or Term 62, right?

614
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,020
And so the number each year will be more manageable.

615
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,240
So, but still once we get it and we get it verified,

616
00:52:47,420 --> 00:52:48,820
there's still work that we have to do

617
00:52:48,820 --> 00:52:51,800
to get into the system to make sure it calculates correctly.

618
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,960
So we do not believe September 30th,

619
00:52:54,960 --> 00:53:00,640
That's too late of a date for us to get it in, get it vetted, get it checked to ensure that

620
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,840
it's calculating correctly before the bills are printed and mailed the first to know

621
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:05,040
that.

622
00:53:05,420 --> 00:53:07,020
So we're looking at an earlier date.

623
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,080
Yeah, to that point.

624
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:17,120
I mean, we just said our love is a couple of weeks ago, right, and so that's when, if you know

625
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:22,760
what you are going to have to send back rebate or whatever, that may have a very important

626
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:28,660
determination of how you will set your levy. So having the ability to sit under, stand that,

627
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,860
an estimate off of that way beforehand, I would think.

628
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:38,160
My understanding of where the statute is written, it won't come into play because to set

629
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:43,960
the mill levy and to deal with Hancock, we will treat all properties at their current assessed

630
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:50,600
valuation regardless of whether they're that particular property is eligible for tax credit.

631
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,040
No, that part I understand is just, you know, things don't keep getting cheap.

632
00:53:55,500 --> 00:53:56,540
They keep getting more expensive.

633
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:01,920
And as we were dealing our question that we were talking about here was, do you keep

634
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:02,620
the same level?

635
00:54:02,740 --> 00:54:08,480
Yeah, 0% or do you raise it to what you can at 5%, maybe those numbers at the end of the

636
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,240
day are very tiny, but it just seems to me that anyone who is studying their level is kind

637
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:17,240
of what needs to know, what's the effect of, you know, what this would do.

638
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:20,260
So I'll just leave it at that.

639
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:26,320
You won't have an answer to this, but at least throw it out there because the next two points are kind of together.

640
00:54:28,940 --> 00:54:36,800
Do I guess we have some estimate that the auditor is already made as to what may be removed, redirected, or whatever.

641
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:43,660
But I guess understanding, and maybe you've had this conversation with the other taxing jurisdictions.

642
00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:54,740
I mean, does everyone have a feeling of what the impact financially for each of them would be?

643
00:54:55,160 --> 00:55:00,500
And if they don't, they're good information to know, I don't know if it's been estimated, but just...

644
00:55:00,500 --> 00:55:12,860
Well, I do know that the auditor in the assessor when this first was discussed and looked at really just pulled information off a census data and just really did some very rough calculations of percentages and the auditors.

645
00:55:12,860 --> 00:55:15,000
So he can probably give the card to me.

646
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:15,120
I do.

647
00:55:15,540 --> 00:55:16,620
I sort of say that.

648
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:17,840
I can just say that.

649
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:23,840
I will say that in just having conversations with municipalities, which I have had about this,

650
00:55:23,860 --> 00:55:28,020
they have asked whether the county is going to be able to provide an economic impact

651
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:29,680
of this to them.

652
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:33,300
And my comment was, don't know who that thought will get right.

653
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,100
And I guess that's the central question.

654
00:55:35,220 --> 00:55:37,400
Can we provide some guidance?

655
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,160
I mean, they'll probably create their own guidance, but do we have guidance?

656
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:45,540
so we can provide those jurisdictions on what that fiscal impact might be.

657
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,700
Yeah, Victor Robert, Clay County Otter, all right there.

658
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:56,620
We have, you know, since the initial fiscal impact we looked at some time ago, used the same

659
00:55:56,620 --> 00:56:01,520
methodology and approach as legislative research on the fiscal note for the official fiscal

660
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:06,960
note on SB1990, as a minister said, essentially taking sense of information, and both

661
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:16,520
looking at what is your population over 62 years old, but also looking at what is it as a residential real estate property taxpayers,

662
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:23,600
so because currently we don't collect age on property taxpayers, so we're making an estimate based on the adult population,

663
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:32,980
the senior population of the adult population, and then you're looking at the homeowner occupancy rate in the county,

664
00:56:32,980 --> 00:56:44,320
So you factor that in, so in Clay County Countywide it's 15% senior population, you know, 67.5% owner rate.

665
00:56:44,660 --> 00:56:51,980
And then you also have to consider what is the percentage of your total property tax revenues or collections that comes from residential real estate.

666
00:56:51,980 --> 00:56:57,760
So countywide that 60%, but it is going to vary to your point by every single jurisdiction,

667
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,120
every single taxing jurisdiction.

668
00:56:59,300 --> 00:57:06,660
And I have run individual figures for those taxing jurisdictions upon requests, all the school districts,

669
00:57:07,260 --> 00:57:08,360
as Commissioner mentioned.

670
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,840
We looked at census information for their school districts, so it varies for all those factors.

671
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:19,220
But by doing that, the bottom line countywide is we got to arrange from assessment data,

672
00:57:19,220 --> 00:57:26,100
looking at the American community survey of how many actual residential parcels that is from

673
00:57:26,100 --> 00:57:31,460
everything I just told you of a threshold to essentially nine to twelve percent of total

674
00:57:31,460 --> 00:57:37,920
assess valuation would be frozen as to the growth to the minister's point, you know, up to

675
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:43,580
five percent a year. So, and you're basically, as we had that discussion for, you know, through

676
00:57:43,580 --> 00:57:47,340
three million dollars on currently five hundred and ten million dollars total

677
00:57:47,340 --> 00:57:51,240
collections. But that's going to increase five percent every year. It's going to

678
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:55,940
compound five percent every year that two to three million dollar fiscal impact of

679
00:57:55,940 --> 00:58:02,120
less growth. And so that's essentially the assessment and again it, you know,

680
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,980
of that two to three million every tax and jurisdiction has a portion of that. That's right.

681
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:12,780
And so it's, you know, factored out that way. I might, I might add jump into the conversation

682
00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:18,620
or since I did put together that ordinance and immediately it was rather quick but it was also using

683
00:58:18,620 --> 00:58:26,400
the assessor's council's template having a conversation with county council being on the subcommittee.

684
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:34,660
I did take all that into account and I think I'll just throw in that in adding the 62-year-old,

685
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:39,660
again, St. Charles County did this, 62-year-olds are older,

686
00:58:39,660 --> 00:58:45,920
in County did that. So as to the question of if it's legal or not, I guess I would say,

687
00:58:46,420 --> 00:58:52,760
do we think they're wrong? And if that's the case and we could not have that expanded

688
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,340
eligibility, but I'll just put that into the conversation.

689
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:04,140
Sure. I'm sorry I got three more. I appreciate your indulgence. And actually, you might be able

690
00:59:04,140 --> 00:59:13,920
also a chime in on this, a Mr. Auditor, so from time to time jurisdictions vote to add certain

691
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:21,600
property taxes in order to pay for stuff. How is that treated? So just for example, you know,

692
00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:26,480
there's a general obligation bond, property tax gets it, people vote for it, how is that treated

693
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:34,560
than under this, is that is that also frozen or the fact that it was a voted on bond, does

694
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,220
that still stay on the tax?

695
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:37,500
It's our interpretation.

696
00:59:37,580 --> 00:59:38,440
Conant the administrator.

697
00:59:38,860 --> 00:59:42,480
We've had a lot of discussion about this in the subcommittee, because that is a gray area in

698
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:42,900
the law.

699
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,220
It's not specifically defined, right?

700
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,480
At least in the statute, that was written of 137-1050.

701
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,680
But we do look at that section four, where it does talk about, like a minister,

702
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:58,560
talk about and calculating annual revenues under the Hancock Amendment, it's, you know, my

703
00:59:58,560 --> 00:59:59,960
belief that the same same thing.

704
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,680
And principal would apply. So if you have a new levy, you're still going to calculate based on total revenues, even if you don't get it because of the credit.

705
01:00:08,500 --> 01:00:18,100
So I mean, you could theoretically add the new tax amount, but there would still be a credit to get you to the credit amount in the eligible year.

706
01:00:18,100 --> 01:00:26,680
So it'd be my opinion that they could, you know, you know, they would, you would add the new

707
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:31,660
levy, but just want to get the revenue for those who received the credit.

708
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:41,580
Interesting. Okay. And then how does, I recall the summer when we had the initial presentation

709
01:00:41,580 --> 01:00:48,080
from staff, one of the areas that was gray and I'm not sure I see the solution here was

710
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:52,220
You know, not all spouses are all the same age, right?

711
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,320
My wife's younger, my parents are five years apart.

712
01:00:59,020 --> 01:01:03,080
When you have difference in age, how is that treated?

713
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,280
And I guess more importantly, to me, for the younger,

714
01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:10,420
is if they have not reached that 60-year-old threshold,

715
01:01:10,780 --> 01:01:12,580
their spouse did, but they have passed,

716
01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:15,540
how then do we treat that here?

717
01:01:16,020 --> 01:01:17,020
Or is that contemplated?

718
01:01:17,020 --> 01:01:21,960
Well, so I mean, again, you know, my thought on it is, and we've had a lot of discussion

719
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:26,480
again to give about this gray area, big area in the wall, that we're trying to define.

720
01:01:26,620 --> 01:01:31,300
I think this is our opportunity as a county, you know, with an enabling statute to craft

721
01:01:31,300 --> 01:01:32,920
our ordinance as we see fit.

722
01:01:33,220 --> 01:01:37,940
So I think if the commission wants to, you know, define, because I've added few restrictions

723
01:01:37,940 --> 01:01:39,080
that I could think of.

724
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:39,300
Right?

725
01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:45,560
If we're looking at geo bonded and deadness, that's a big component for public tax and jurisdictions.

726
01:01:47,020 --> 01:01:51,180
the blind pension fund, the retroactive refund component.

727
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:59,060
So, you know, if we want to add more, you know, as to that situation, I mean, my initial

728
01:01:59,060 --> 01:02:05,080
font, just looking at how it flows, especially if we set 62 of eligibility, known in the

729
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,620
household of 62, and to give in tax here, then there's no longer eligible.

730
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:09,880
I mean, that's my initial font.

731
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:22,700
I'm just a final question, maybe more for Diana, have we figured out what it would take to staff the execution of this?

732
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:32,160
No, we do know that we will need to have some additional staff to do the eligibility to kind of help the process, especially those first few years.

733
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:47,660
So we're having some discussion about, you know, because the intent is the application would come to the clerk's office and then would be reviewed for eligibility and then there's a list that's presented and then goes to the collector and then it's calculated.

734
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:57,820
And so, you know, do we share staff, right? So there's a person that's there in the clerk's office during the application period to help with that and the review.

735
01:02:57,820 --> 01:03:03,720
and then goes and helps the collectors office during the time the bills go out and we're actually collecting revenue.

736
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:13,140
We looked at that, we're looking into that, we're also looking into there are companies that we use that verify employees, right? E-verification.

737
01:03:13,820 --> 01:03:22,020
So we're also looking to say, well, all their companies out there that could also do the qualification verification of eligibility for us

738
01:03:22,020 --> 01:03:27,960
and pay a vendor to do that, then we wouldn't ask to staff for that, so we're going to explore all those options,

739
01:03:28,180 --> 01:03:35,160
but at this point in time, I cannot give you a cost analysis of what the implementation of this program is going to cost the county.

740
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,480
I'll just make this comment.

741
01:03:37,660 --> 01:03:41,100
I understand the desire to try to get something passed to show that we've done something.

742
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:50,620
I understand that and understand those reasons, but because the reassessments won't come again until a couple of years,

743
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:54,740
I would certainly err on the side of it.

744
01:03:54,820 --> 01:03:56,080
If you want to pass something fine,

745
01:03:56,180 --> 01:03:59,620
but make it effective later so that you can see

746
01:04:00,700 --> 01:04:02,100
where all the lawsuits come.

747
01:04:02,780 --> 01:04:06,120
And you have to make changes because of what may happen

748
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:06,880
in a different county.

749
01:04:07,060 --> 01:04:08,800
But I appreciate the answers to the question

750
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,680
and I appreciate your indulgence in letting me ask so many.

751
01:04:11,980 --> 01:04:12,620
Thank you.

752
01:04:13,780 --> 01:04:15,360
Commissioner Carpenter, I believe you'd like to enjoy

753
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:15,940
the conversation.

754
01:04:16,620 --> 01:04:17,140
Thank you, Commissioner.

755
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:17,720
Yeah, thanks.

756
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:19,300
I've just got a couple of quick questions

757
01:04:19,300 --> 01:04:30,380
and then a few comments that could Mr. Auditor if I could just ask a quick question on the revenue per year number.

758
01:04:33,110 --> 01:04:37,370
The sort of $2 to $3 million dollar figure is your one.

759
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:47,060
Do we have obviously, you know, as the freeze continues to hold over time,

760
01:04:47,060 --> 01:04:52,500
That number will go up quite a bit and then we'll plateau at some point. That's just sort of a nature of

761
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:59,200
You know the math on this situation of doing a property tax freeze for seniors

762
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,280
So do you have like a year 10 estimate of what the total

763
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:05,800
taxing

764
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:07,680
Sure

765
01:05:09,060 --> 01:05:15,200
Victor Herbert click on the order. I went out to 2026, but I can easily you know do that. So

766
01:05:16,540 --> 01:05:22,420
You know, in the looking at the lower threshold of 9% of the set's valuation, so by 2026,

767
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:29,780
you know, it's started at 2.1 million based on 222 numbers and 226 would go up to 2.6 million.

768
01:05:30,060 --> 01:05:38,080
Okay, can I just stop here to just real quick there? So when you say 2.6 and 2026, those numbers are adding on top of each other each year, right?

769
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:39,060
No, that's per year.

770
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:44,460
So, I mean, the total from over a five-year time period would have been $12 million.

771
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:50,960
But at the same time, you have to think of, so currently we're at $510 million, you know,

772
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:57,260
that would essentially still go to $616 million even with the credit in place.

773
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:03,180
So you're saying by your five, that the total reduction in revenue would only be $2.6 million?

774
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,220
No, that's an annual impact.

775
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:19,220
Yeah, but I'm talking compared to if we were to not ask if we were to do nothing and so and so by year five each of those two millions has added on top of each other, right?

776
01:06:19,820 --> 01:06:27,500
Yeah, so by year five we're for going 12 million cumulatively. Yeah, no 12 million per year at that point

777
01:06:30,140 --> 01:06:36,760
No, no, it'd be, again, the same percentage on that year's assessment evaluation.

778
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:43,960
So, starting at the base year of 2023, we're going to forego 2 to 3 million in year 1.

779
01:06:44,420 --> 01:06:48,360
And year 2, we're going to add a slightly larger number to that.

780
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,480
And it's going to come 4 to 6 million.

781
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:51,620
And then it's going to come.

782
01:06:52,260 --> 01:06:53,560
So, I'm looking at it.

783
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,300
It might be miscommunication.

784
01:06:55,300 --> 01:07:06,240
And I'm happy to show you, you know, kind of my the thought process went into it, but essentially like I'm looking at it from an annual revenue perspective.

785
01:07:06,460 --> 01:07:12,160
It's currently 510 million, you know, next year it's projected 535 million.

786
01:07:12,180 --> 01:07:22,460
I'm not going to tell you that total collections are, you know, 1.5 billion, or, you know, I'm going to tell you that it's going to be 535 million.

787
01:07:22,460 --> 01:07:23,820
So I'm looking at the annual impacts.

788
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:25,900
Well, I can give you a cumulative impacts.

789
01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:26,560
Yeah, I'm certain about that.

790
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:28,660
So to be clear, I don't mean cumulative in the sense

791
01:07:28,660 --> 01:07:32,680
of adding each year's foregone revenue to each other.

792
01:07:32,820 --> 01:07:36,060
I'm saying comparing 50-year-five years from now to your channel

793
01:07:36,060 --> 01:07:38,320
and comparing that to the base year

794
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,140
and subtracting the difference and seeing

795
01:07:40,140 --> 01:07:42,760
what the total number is at that point.

796
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,720
So by my math, by the time you get to year five,

797
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,200
you are up into the 10 to 15 million dollar range,

798
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:58,420
just that year. And by year 10, you're going to be more than double that because as you

799
01:07:58,420 --> 01:08:03,560
continue to have the numbers, you've got cumulative increase happening at the same time.

800
01:08:04,660 --> 01:08:11,420
So it doesn't work like a, you know, property taxes aren't investment. You know, it's not like

801
01:08:11,420 --> 01:08:20,000
it's not compounding in that manner. You know, yeah, that's not, yeah. So I think what we need

802
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:27,920
What we're already on with regard to those numbers is, by your 10, what would the difference be

803
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:34,660
then if we were to take no action? In your 10, I'm not saying that up, years one through nine,

804
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:40,800
and then that up your 10. Just your 10, what would the difference be between tax revenue generated

805
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:48,060
in your 10 versus in the base year this year? If we were to take no action versus if we were to implement the program?

806
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:54,680
And the reason I want to get to the bottom of that is because I think it matters whether that

807
01:08:54,680 --> 01:09:02,280
number is, as you say, something like 3 million or by year 10, I think indeed we'll

808
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:07,540
be into the tens of millions by year 10 is what we'll be for going for year, which may

809
01:09:07,540 --> 01:09:11,940
well still be a good public policy choice and not saying that should disqualify us from

810
01:09:11,940 --> 01:09:16,840
before, but I do think to Commissioner Wagner's point, we need to have a lot of clarity

811
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:23,420
on, on exactly what numbers we're talking about. Because if we're talking about hundreds of

812
01:09:23,420 --> 01:09:29,240
millions of dollars in total property tax revenue per year and you're going to freeze

813
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:37,080
15 to 20 percent of it and you have about a 5 percent per year increase, 5 percent increase

814
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:42,600
on 500 million per year and then you only do, let's say 20 percent of it, that's 100 million,

815
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,260
so that would be about 5 million per year. I know we've agreed that it would actually be a

816
01:09:46,260 --> 01:09:51,440
less that's where you come up with the 2 to 3 but that's per year that that 5% increase keeps

817
01:09:51,440 --> 01:10:00,260
happening every year and freeze holds in place and so it's 3 million in year 1 but it's the

818
01:10:00,260 --> 01:10:06,500
5% increase in property values happens in year 2 it happens in year 3 all the way up through year 10

819
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:12,360
I guess if you've had a freeze in place that whole time I can't imagine how we're calculating

820
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:17,780
in the number would be anything like 3 million by your 10 or the 3.5, and then you're going

821
01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:18,980
to be like 30 million, right?

822
01:10:19,700 --> 01:10:23,780
So I guess what I'm saying is that, you know, the senior population doesn't come out.

823
01:10:24,060 --> 01:10:27,400
You know, if that would have happened, I would agree with you.

824
01:10:28,340 --> 01:10:42,340
You know, respectfully, I'm not trying to, you know, I'm trying to do this in a, in a

825
01:10:42,340 --> 01:10:45,640
It's very grateful for all the work you do for the candidates.

826
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:51,380
I just, let's in the next week or two, let's try to get the bottom of if we're talking

827
01:10:51,380 --> 01:10:59,340
about a year 10 revenue for going of the way it seems to be being portrayed as you would

828
01:10:59,340 --> 01:11:03,100
suggest maybe by then it would be like three and a half million or something like that.

829
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,820
My suspect the numbers indeed much, much higher closer to in the range of 30 million.

830
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,000
And both those numbers obviously can't be correct.

831
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:19,640
So if we can try to drill down on which of those would be the case by year 10, I just think

832
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,280
that would be a helpful piece of information for us.

833
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:30,660
Yeah, I mean, I compared my approach to St. Louiscom, which, you know, to, you know,

834
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:35,880
other similar counties and it followed proportionally by our population by our stats.

835
01:11:36,580 --> 01:11:36,640
Yeah.

836
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:37,860
Well, let me try and phrase it this way.

837
01:11:37,860 --> 01:11:46,280
So let's say we have about 80 million in residential property that is in Domestock by a senior in which it's the primary residence.

838
01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:49,160
Is that about where we're at figure wise about 80 million?

839
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,660
No, I want to think so.

840
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,600
I mean, you're talking about property revenues or you're talking about a system value.

841
01:11:55,860 --> 01:11:57,440
Oh, I think that the revenues we get.

842
01:11:57,780 --> 01:11:58,720
Yeah, okay.

843
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,720
Then that could be closed.

844
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,880
Yeah, because 10% is roughly 50.

845
01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:06,460
Yeah.

846
01:12:06,460 --> 01:12:17,560
So if we do a 5% expected increase in revenue for a year, that's about a $4 million per year and new revenue on that property, right?

847
01:12:18,020 --> 01:12:21,040
If we expect revenue to go up about 5% on 80 million?

848
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,840
Yeah, that's not 5.

849
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,780
and be more, like, you know, forward.

850
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:28,940
But formally, that's what I said, yeah.

851
01:12:29,820 --> 01:12:32,020
So my point is that it's not just 4 million.

852
01:12:32,180 --> 01:12:35,400
It's 4 million in year one of a new reassessment.

853
01:12:36,260 --> 01:12:39,920
But as the 5% on that 80 million continues to happen every year,

854
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:44,000
which is our projection of what's happened to real estate values

855
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:49,440
and the generated revenue from, we're going to forego that 4 million,

856
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:52,520
or let's say it's three or two to three, anywhere in there,

857
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:53,960
we're going to forego that.

858
01:12:53,960 --> 01:13:03,380
over and over and over again. So what's the what's 5% of 4 million that is the

859
01:13:03,380 --> 01:13:10,460
change each year. You're not adding 80 million a year or you know 4 million

860
01:13:10,460 --> 01:13:14,960
each year it's 5% of 4 million. Right so if we're generating about 80 million

861
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:20,740
that's the revenue generated right that would be the revenue side the assessment

862
01:13:20,740 --> 01:13:21,420
And it's much higher.

863
01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:22,400
Yeah, it's much higher.

864
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:23,420
Because it's a credit.

865
01:13:23,580 --> 01:13:24,540
It's not a reduction.

866
01:13:27,700 --> 01:13:32,740
So as we get more property tax revenue per year, it's often, we're often going

867
01:13:32,740 --> 01:13:35,880
up by tens of millions of dollars per year and property tax, right?

868
01:13:36,440 --> 01:13:37,140
Increase the secure.

869
01:13:37,620 --> 01:13:37,840
Yeah.

870
01:13:39,140 --> 01:13:42,800
So if we're, if we're experiencing tens of millions of dollars in growth per year and

871
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:50,720
property tax and you freeze 20% of that per year, where 18% of it per year, which

872
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:58,300
be the seniors. 15 percent is fine. If you freeze anywhere close to that, the tens of millions

873
01:13:58,300 --> 01:14:03,080
of dollars increase per year, if you freeze one-fifth of that or one-sixth of that.

874
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:07,240
But you're not freezing that much, respectively. You're freezing five percent of your

875
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:11,340
figure. Because that's the only growth you can get. It's not the entire amount.

876
01:14:14,860 --> 01:14:15,160
That's

877
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:15,700
the fiscal impact.

878
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,580
Let's talk offline. I look forward to having some conversations. Just try to get some clarity

879
01:14:19,580 --> 01:14:25,500
on this because my read of the situation is that we go up in property tax revenue, not just

880
01:14:25,500 --> 01:14:29,820
the assessments, the actual revenue generated, on the order of tens of millions of

881
01:14:29,820 --> 01:14:31,680
dollars per year, is the average increase.

882
01:14:31,700 --> 01:14:33,080
Yeah, it's going to be great.

883
01:14:33,500 --> 01:14:39,980
And if you freeze about 20 percent of that, then each year, you're going to forego about 20 percent

884
01:14:39,980 --> 01:14:41,780
of that tens of millions of dollars of increase.

885
01:14:42,060 --> 01:14:48,000
No, you're for going the growth on the relevant senior population proportion, which we're

886
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:52,820
is only 9%. So 5% or 9%. That's what you're for going.

887
01:14:57,420 --> 01:14:59,000
Let's talk about. I appreciate the discussion.

888
01:14:59,260 --> 01:14:59,620
Thank you.

889
01:15:00,580 --> 01:15:04,300
I don't know, I'm sorry, like I've got one more question and then some comments.

890
01:15:04,820 --> 01:15:15,760
Those of you who met with the school districts today, you mentioned that you had the meeting, did they have any input or suggestions or changes or anything that they communicated to us?

891
01:15:15,900 --> 01:15:25,360
Mr. Laws, I'll not go ahead and go to Commissioner Lawson for the response to this. You will queue up next to make comment, followed by Commissioner Johnson.

892
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,200
but I've noticed we've been losing a few people.

893
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:33,440
So what I'd like to do is once Commissioner Carpenter has had his information, his inquiry,

894
01:15:33,540 --> 01:15:37,680
if you would like to open it up to the public, and then we will come back and pick it up

895
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,600
with Commissioner Lawson and then Commissioner Johnson.

896
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:43,220
But I don't want to see citizens leaving not have the opportunity to speak.

897
01:15:43,660 --> 01:15:44,380
So please proceed.

898
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:47,860
Go ahead and hit your button.

899
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:49,160
I'll put you over there.

900
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:52,060
You were on and off.

901
01:15:52,620 --> 01:15:53,340
Okay, do it.

902
01:15:53,460 --> 01:15:53,980
There you are.

903
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:54,520
There you are.

904
01:15:54,520 --> 01:16:02,320
You know to the senior citizens here or up here or whatever. I thought this was going to be simple.

905
01:16:03,020 --> 01:16:11,940
I thought, oh my God, we're going to give the people 62 and over that it pay taxes all in our life a break.

906
01:16:12,580 --> 01:16:19,640
I didn't know it was going to get quite so involved, but nevertheless, I'm pushing forward to get it done.

907
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:27,980
that's the main thing. A couple of things. I thought that we had agreed at one point that

908
01:16:27,980 --> 01:16:39,480
say I'm 57. I wish and my husband is 70 and he passes away. Then that following year when

909
01:16:39,480 --> 01:16:49,400
I get my thing from the county I will say I'm 58 and for a couple of years I won't get

910
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:57,540
break. And then, as I hit 62, and you send out my form again, then I fill it out now I'm 62

911
01:16:57,540 --> 01:17:03,980
and I can start taking the break. I don't that's something I'd like to see as we don't have to

912
01:17:03,980 --> 01:17:09,820
get into it, but I'd like to see as do that, talk about that a little bit down the road.

913
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:17,640
The other thing on the millions and millions and all of that stuff, this county is growing by leaps

914
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:26,540
bounds. I get the point that we're looking at about 15 percent of the population being seniors.

915
01:17:28,380 --> 01:17:38,500
So if we are 510 million this year, we go up to 535 next year. That same percentage of people

916
01:17:38,500 --> 01:17:44,500
are going to get a break and they're going to start, yeah, it's going to reduce that to some degree.

917
01:17:44,500 --> 01:17:56,840
But the degree of reduction is minimal compared to the amount of tax that comes into this county.

918
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:02,040
These people are still going to be paying the same amount of money that they've been paying.

919
01:18:02,060 --> 01:18:06,180
They're going to continue to pay their taxes until we're gone.

920
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:12,000
And then whoever takes the house after that, the wife or whatever going to continue on.

921
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:19,940
And as those people go away, somebody's going to buy that house, they're going to be

922
01:18:19,940 --> 01:18:24,900
40, and they're going to start paying full taxes right away on that property.

923
01:18:25,460 --> 01:18:31,000
It's been now, it's been assessed at a way higher value as properties always do.

924
01:18:31,480 --> 01:18:37,680
So, as the population passes on, the new owners are going to be somebody that's going to pay

925
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,440
how of a lot, that faster.

926
01:18:42,180 --> 01:18:44,280
No, I was going, I was going to let you finish.

927
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,760
Please, please, keep your mind calm,

928
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,800
because I was going to ask Commissioner Carpenter

929
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,380
if he had further inquiries.

930
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,640
So if you finish your point, I'll go.

931
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:58,220
Well, the only thing I'm saying is I agree with Commissioner

932
01:18:58,220 --> 01:19:02,460
Livington, I want to see this darn thing be done.

933
01:19:02,460 --> 01:19:13,700
In whatever form we bring it, it is something that many other counties have already passed.

934
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,400
Counties that are lesser counties than we.

935
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:21,920
And it's a darn shame if we can't do this for our seniors and get it done.

936
01:19:22,700 --> 01:19:28,100
I don't want to rush it right away and I think we need to get everything formulated.

937
01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:34,920
get you the figures you'd like to have in-depth. And I think that the one of the things that the

938
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:42,560
auditor was going to do was to give the school districts a little bit more fact on that. I did

939
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:49,020
feel that they were by the time you were done. Now maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.

940
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:55,940
But I felt as though they were more accepting of it than they were when we first walked

941
01:19:55,940 --> 01:20:00,220
the door. So that was a great deal of gratification for me.

942
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,380
But but the bottom line on this I'd

943
01:20:04,380 --> 01:20:19,700
like to see us look towards trying to get this thing passed with some minor changes. And then we can't

944
01:20:19,700 --> 01:20:26,860
I don't think we can wait for the state, but once the state makes their changes, if they

945
01:20:26,860 --> 01:20:32,540
ever do, we can make our addendums and change it and then go forward.

946
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:39,720
The thing I don't want to have happen is that staff is scrambling, you know, and we're changing

947
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:44,780
this, then they change everything, and then it changes again, and they change everything,

948
01:20:44,780 --> 01:20:52,800
cost more money or whatever. So, you know, I want to be diligent in what we do, but some

949
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:59,040
minor changes that we think are going to happen. We need to be planning for them and just

950
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:02,160
go ahead and get this darn thing done. That's all I got.

951
01:21:02,300 --> 01:21:06,400
We should be careful if you want to further inquire. Thank you. Thank you. So first of all, I know

952
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:14,760
look, I'm probably kind of on an island here on this issue and I know hard feelings, you

953
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:15,700
before us.

954
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:19,400
On the numbers piece, I do just want us to have sort of clarity on, you know, because obviously

955
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,580
there's a difference between three or four million and 30 million.

956
01:21:21,820 --> 01:21:25,740
So I'm just seeking clarity on that piece of it.

957
01:21:25,860 --> 01:21:29,760
In terms of the question I asked about the school districts, I had gratified to hear that

958
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:35,740
it was a good meeting and that perhaps people came away a little more informed and good

959
01:21:35,740 --> 01:21:36,460
with it.

960
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:41,300
I'm just wondering if they had any specific asks or requests.

961
01:21:41,300 --> 01:21:41,560
Yes.

962
01:21:42,020 --> 01:21:42,940
Did you want?

963
01:21:42,940 --> 01:21:44,200
Oh, did you want to hear?

964
01:21:44,340 --> 01:21:44,960
That's okay.

965
01:21:46,700 --> 01:21:49,560
You know, they wanted those figures from the opportunity.

966
01:21:50,860 --> 01:21:56,360
I would agree, since you're part of both, I was that, yes, it's substantially the way

967
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,000
Commissioner Rae Lawson has put it.

968
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:05,260
I think one of the issues that they want to make clear in fairness to this school districts

969
01:22:05,260 --> 01:22:11,360
is that they were not in opposition in principle with tax breaks for seniors.

970
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,860
I think that's fair to say they wanted to be very clear on that point.

971
01:22:16,260 --> 01:22:21,920
Again, I hesitate to speak for someone, but the field I got for it was that they were

972
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:25,700
concerned about the impact on their entities, but they were in sympathy with the goal.

973
01:22:26,260 --> 01:22:30,300
One of the issues that was brought up and it was one that we had already brought up within

974
01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:37,700
our group, I had to do with debt bonds to where if there is something that is issue that

975
01:22:37,700 --> 01:22:45,340
was debt, could we then actually freeze that? Because that would be a, it was in some question.

976
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:52,980
What that would mean was technically could we then totally freeze? I don't know. That's

977
01:22:52,980 --> 01:22:57,550
something else that we have to, I would like further clarity on before we go forward because

978
01:22:58,830 --> 01:23:04,990
If we're going to give a freeze, I would like it to be an absolute total freeze if we're going to sell it.

979
01:23:05,010 --> 01:23:09,750
If we're going to present it in that light, we should, I think, make sure we deliver it in that light.

980
01:23:09,870 --> 01:23:16,610
If there are some mitigating circumstances, we need to advise the public that there are these issues,

981
01:23:16,610 --> 01:23:21,450
which we do not have authority over in the course of putting this ordinance together.

982
01:23:21,930 --> 01:23:26,950
So does that, that kind of, so, um, does that happen?

983
01:23:27,130 --> 01:23:29,630
It does, thank you. Yeah, no, I appreciate the information.

984
01:23:29,850 --> 01:23:31,870
I just, you know, obviously there are a biggest tax interest

985
01:23:31,870 --> 01:23:35,870
section, so just getting, you know, some, so I didn't put from them is, is, is a, is helpful.

986
01:23:36,230 --> 01:23:40,350
So I'll make some brief, as brief as I can comment, so if I could talk about this issue

987
01:23:40,350 --> 01:23:43,330
for hours and hours, but I know we've got some folks who want to, want to, want to share

988
01:23:43,330 --> 01:23:44,730
their thoughts and also we've got the two schemes.

989
01:23:45,050 --> 01:23:49,710
So I'll, I'll go as quick as I can, uh, you know, serve big years in the state legislature,

990
01:23:51,470 --> 01:24:07,170
regularly supported the notion of expanding property tax relief to low income seniors and seniors living on a fixed income to make sure that we're not taxing folks out of their home as they age.

991
01:24:07,170 --> 01:24:13,770
firmly and strongly believe in that. The state has long had a program that does just that. It's

992
01:24:13,770 --> 01:24:20,250
called the circuit breaker program. It has pretty tight income eligibility to where most seniors

993
01:24:20,250 --> 01:24:25,490
can't qualify unless they're pretty low income. What the state legislature could have done is

994
01:24:25,490 --> 01:24:32,330
expanded the eligibility. It allows you to earn more income to get the property tax relief.

995
01:24:32,330 --> 01:24:41,970
And I would have been a strong proponent of such a change to help out seniors living on a fixed income,

996
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:43,390
make sure they can stay in their homes.

997
01:24:45,050 --> 01:24:51,410
What they did instead was pass a cart launch freeze, which would apply to all seniors,

998
01:24:54,170 --> 01:24:57,670
and not all seniors equally, either.

999
01:24:57,670 --> 01:25:08,910
So, not only does it not target the benefit to fixed income or low income seniors as the current option does.

1000
01:25:09,470 --> 01:25:12,070
It applies it across the board and unevenly.

1001
01:25:12,350 --> 01:25:21,770
So, for example, a senior living in a $100,000 home and a senior living in a $2 million home.

1002
01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:25,710
The senior living in a $2 million home is not only going to get the benefit

1003
01:25:25,710 --> 01:25:32,470
But, too, they're going to get it at 20 times the value, as this senior living in a $100,000

1004
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:33,550
home.

1005
01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:39,790
Making by far the biggest winners that the folks who own the most expensive photons

1006
01:25:39,790 --> 01:25:47,070
in Clay County, and across the state, that's my issue with the way this thing has been

1007
01:25:47,070 --> 01:25:47,390
drafted.

1008
01:25:48,510 --> 01:25:57,010
It's not that I'm opposed to, like I said, making sure that fixed-and-conceneers can get property tax relief they should.

1009
01:26:00,150 --> 01:26:05,790
But I'm not over-linked about the idea of giving a 20 times bigger tax break to somebody in a 2 million dollar home.

1010
01:26:05,790 --> 01:26:13,870
So that's my concern, would be happy to support doing this if we attached a

1011
01:26:17,390 --> 01:26:25,470
some form of limit on the assessed value of homes in terms of who would get the benefit.

1012
01:26:27,450 --> 01:26:35,630
My sense of faith is that I may sort of be outnumbered in regard to wanting that attached to it.

1013
01:26:35,790 --> 01:26:51,790
And I understand that and respect that, but if folks want to come around and join me in pursuing adding a provision like that into this, that would certainly make me a lot more excited about implementing it.

1014
01:26:51,790 --> 01:27:05,270
And final point is when we do a tax cut on one targeted group of people, by definition,

1015
01:27:05,410 --> 01:27:06,290
what's going to happen.

1016
01:27:06,570 --> 01:27:11,710
The school districts, for example, there's still going to need to employ the same number

1017
01:27:11,710 --> 01:27:12,050
of teachers.

1018
01:27:12,330 --> 01:27:15,870
They've still got the same number of buildings to maintain, and indeed, as population

1019
01:27:15,870 --> 01:27:20,390
grow as in Clay County, they will have to expand those services in their expenses as well

1020
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:28,350
as spent. By definition, what will happen is that over time, the tax burden, as it's lifted,

1021
01:27:28,350 --> 01:27:45,850
off of one group, will be transferred onto the rest of the taxpayers whose property taxes are

1022
01:27:45,850 --> 01:27:50,770
that the biggest beneficiaries of this will be folks in the most expensive homes,

1023
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:53,370
that every

1024
01:27:53,370 --> 01:28:00,710
dollar less than they pay, is going to be transferred onto the tax burden of everybody

1025
01:28:00,710 --> 01:28:02,890
whose property taxes weren't for us.

1026
01:28:04,110 --> 01:28:09,290
And that includes a lot of young families with kids who are struggling to make ends meet already.

1027
01:28:10,810 --> 01:28:20,390
I think there's a way to avoid that outcome and that would be putting an upper limit on eligibility here.

1028
01:28:21,670 --> 01:28:29,550
But those are my concerns, appreciate you all here in me, and look forward to future discussions on some of the numbers and drilling down on that a bit.

1029
01:28:30,530 --> 01:28:38,510
Thank you. With that are there any citizens who would like? Yes. Hold on. Let me let me open your mic first.

1030
01:28:39,390 --> 01:28:47,390
I'm sorry. I know it. We've had a lot and you're pretty much in your turn. Right now you are up next.

1031
01:28:47,670 --> 01:28:51,550
And then Commissioner Lawson Commissioner Lawson was being was being inquired of.

1032
01:28:51,970 --> 01:28:55,530
But we've also got citizens here and I've noticed some of them leaving that.

1033
01:28:55,530 --> 01:29:02,130
have been seen as long. So I mean if you could do something really quick because we really

1034
01:29:02,130 --> 01:29:08,370
do need to get to the folks. Thank you. Here's the way I feel and it'll be over my dead

1035
01:29:08,370 --> 01:29:15,850
body that we make a change on that and the reason is this, those individuals who live in a

1036
01:29:15,850 --> 01:29:22,290
million dollar home, God bless them that they were able to live in a million dollar home. Bottom

1037
01:29:22,290 --> 01:29:29,390
here for those people as yeah they're going to get a break but by God for all these years they've

1038
01:29:29,390 --> 01:29:37,810
been paying huge amounts of money in taxes and so why can't they get the same kind of break if I

1039
01:29:37,810 --> 01:29:43,510
live in a hundred thousand dollar home that break that I get is going to mean a great deal to me

1040
01:29:43,510 --> 01:29:50,170
the guy in the million dollar home it's going to be a big deal to him too but all these years he's

1041
01:29:50,170 --> 01:29:58,250
carry in the burden. And so I think it's about time he got the break. John and I had this conversation

1042
01:29:58,250 --> 01:29:59,970
the other day off the road.

1043
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:12,080
So to speak. And just in talking, I told him about a couple that I knew that came from nothing. They were dirt 40. The husband and the wife both poor.

1044
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:23,040
And they worked, went to college, paid for it by working, and twice as long to get through. He got a great job. He worked his fanny off.

1045
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:31,280
And today, that man is filthy rich, they live in a very nice home, but they didn't get it with a handout.

1046
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,120
They got it through clean, hard work.

1047
01:30:34,700 --> 01:30:37,400
This is America for God's sake.

1048
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:43,900
It's the American dream that you make as much as you can make, and God bless you when you do.

1049
01:30:44,340 --> 01:30:50,340
And so I do not want to see somebody penalized just because they worked.

1050
01:30:50,340 --> 01:30:57,420
They, yeah, there's going to be the few that were given wealth, but let's look at the

1051
01:30:57,420 --> 01:30:59,900
majority that really deserve it.

1052
01:30:59,900 --> 01:31:06,360
And there's not that many seniors, if you look at Clay County, I'd like to go out and

1053
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:12,180
find out, and I think I'll talk to the, to the assessor about this, how many homes in Clay

1054
01:31:12,180 --> 01:31:23,140
county are over $800,000 to $2 million and of those homes how many seniors own them.

1055
01:31:23,480 --> 01:31:27,700
And if those few people get a break, I say it's good for them to get it.

1056
01:31:27,980 --> 01:31:28,940
That's all I got to say.

1057
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:30,300
Let you guys call.

1058
01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:39,460
We need to, we all I think appreciate the applause.

1059
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:43,820
The enthusiasm, however it is getting late and I want to allow citizens to come up and

1060
01:31:43,820 --> 01:31:49,420
weeks, so let's, I would rather not have any delays to allowing citizens to speak from shows

1061
01:31:49,420 --> 01:31:55,220
of emotion, but please come forward, and it's the same as when you came up for comments

1062
01:31:55,220 --> 01:31:55,940
from the public, yes,

1063
01:31:58,380 --> 01:32:02,100
sir. You had a chance. This gentleman has not had a chance. You haven't

1064
01:32:02,100 --> 01:32:03,140
spoken on this issue?

1065
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,460
Very well. If you'd like to go before them, go right ahead, Commissioner

1066
01:32:09,460 --> 01:32:13,940
Johnson, if you insist. You're a wrecking. I do insist. Thank you. Just for a couple of

1067
01:32:13,940 --> 01:32:17,500
clarification, sorry. So you're, you're next. First, I want to clarify a couple of things.

1068
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:20,740
Commissioner, Wagner brought it up.

1069
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:25,740
Whether we vote this in next month or next year, it will not have an impact on anybody's

1070
01:32:25,740 --> 01:32:29,960
tax until 2025 until you're 25 payment.

1071
01:32:30,140 --> 01:32:31,180
Just know that.

1072
01:32:31,420 --> 01:32:32,880
It doesn't have an impact until 2025.

1073
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:37,180
No matter when we vote it in, however, I know that voting in it in sooner will make people

1074
01:32:37,180 --> 01:32:40,600
feel a lot more eddies when they're living paycheck to paycheck.

1075
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:41,800
So, I understand that.

1076
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,860
Number one, number two, one of the issues we're talking about is who's eligible.

1077
01:32:44,860 --> 01:32:50,160
The current state bill, Senate bill, that it's been approved, it's very vague.

1078
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:54,420
It just says that you're eligible, if you're eligible for source security time at benefits.

1079
01:32:55,480 --> 01:32:59,380
What does that mean to you get source security time at benefits, or you just eligible for them?

1080
01:32:59,740 --> 01:33:03,480
And the problem is, there's many people who will never be eligible for source security benefits,

1081
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:06,400
because there are on another retirement system that didn't pay to it.

1082
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:10,580
Talk about, and it teachers are one, rare roads, or if you come from out of state like I do,

1083
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,580
I never paid in source security, I'll never be eligible for source security,

1084
01:33:13,580 --> 01:33:16,720
because I have a separate public pension, it's not part of so security.

1085
01:33:18,020 --> 01:33:19,860
So what this does, it includes everybody

1086
01:33:19,860 --> 01:33:24,180
based on over 62, it gets rid of a transfer of who's who.

1087
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:28,340
Last couple, thanks to Commissioner Carpenter's comments.

1088
01:33:28,860 --> 01:33:31,320
Number one, nobody will be whether it's the school districts

1089
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:35,900
or it's a county, will not be having a reduction in revenue coming in.

1090
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:36,780
And I know he knows this.

1091
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:38,220
It's not a reduction in revenue.

1092
01:33:38,380 --> 01:33:42,320
We'll still be making more taxes each year because the assessments,

1093
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:45,060
the school district will still be getting more money each year.

1094
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:49,540
It just won't be as much as it could have made because there's going to be a little bit of reduction for the seniors.

1095
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:53,660
And when you talk about the analogy that the Commissioner Carpenter said about,

1096
01:33:53,660 --> 01:33:56,600
you know, $100,000 home versus a $2 million home.

1097
01:33:56,900 --> 01:34:00,060
And it's a big benefit to those person owns a $2 million home.

1098
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:02,220
Well, bottom line, here's the facts.

1099
01:34:02,660 --> 01:34:05,260
Let's say it's just for even a number. It's a 1% tax.

1100
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:10,200
If you own a $100,000 home, you're going to be frozen at $1,000 a year you have to pay.

1101
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:16,640
If you own a $200 million home, you can be frozen at $20,000 a year, you have to pay.

1102
01:34:17,220 --> 01:34:24,460
So $2,000, you pay $20,000 a year at this 1% scenario I'm given, $20,000 a year, $100,000

1103
01:34:24,460 --> 01:34:26,000
home, you're paying a thousand a year.

1104
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:29,920
You're paying 20 times as much because you have a bigger house and more expensive house.

1105
01:34:30,300 --> 01:34:32,300
I don't see any need to punish those people anymore.

1106
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:34,420
That's why we have a tax system that's based on percentage.

1107
01:34:35,580 --> 01:34:38,160
The rich ER, the more you're going to pay, no matter what.

1108
01:34:38,160 --> 01:35:07,460
And by not giving them the same credit, you just, you just, in my opinion, it's just, it's just an unburnt, it's just, it's not fair, and they're going to be paying more, just like the, the rich pay more now, when you look at how much taxes are paid. So, so I agree with, with Commissioner Lawson, we just, just across the board, it applies to everybody, forget the, the values and, and you're income, that kind of stuff. I think just 62 and above, I think it's a great idea, you know, you're on a fixed income, whether I just sixth grade. Anyways, that's it.

1109
01:35:07,460 --> 01:35:13,320
Yes sir please and just to review if you can you obviously have the microphone on

1110
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:16,880
stage your name and then speak clearly and obviously since this is a

1111
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:20,600
noticed item we can interact with you as much as we need to.

1112
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:30,020
Thank you Mr. Chairman, Dave Langston, 1920 Carter Court, Liberty Missouri, let's see my family

1113
01:35:30,020 --> 01:35:34,140
moved here in 64, so I've been in the Clay County quite a while.

1114
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:39,860
And we're talking about, and I believe you made this pretty clear.

1115
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,360
Commissioner Johnson, we're talking about attacks freeze.

1116
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:45,700
We're not talking about tax reduction, as I understand the program.

1117
01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:48,880
So if there was some talk about attacks reduction, it's attacks freeze.

1118
01:35:49,540 --> 01:35:51,520
It amounts to reduction over time.

1119
01:35:51,620 --> 01:35:53,680
That's why you look at it, but it's attacks freeze.

1120
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:58,940
And I didn't really hear anything mentioned about farmers to speak of.

1121
01:35:58,940 --> 01:36:04,860
I just farmers that live on their land, their whole farm, would be frozen farmers that don't live on their land.

1122
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:05,620
Do you want to be frozen?

1123
01:36:05,820 --> 01:36:08,220
That's an issue that has been under discussion.

1124
01:36:08,420 --> 01:36:14,740
I don't know if we've quite come to our conclusions on that because just because it's a complicated issue.

1125
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:19,460
Commissioner Lawson, I would defer to you to make an explanation that you'd care to.

1126
01:36:19,660 --> 01:36:22,540
It's your, I go ahead and hit your mic and I'm activated.

1127
01:36:25,940 --> 01:36:26,120
There you go.

1128
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:28,460
David, I don't have an answer on that.

1129
01:36:28,460 --> 01:36:34,140
Yeah, we are getting the answer, I would assume, and it's just an assumption.

1130
01:36:35,020 --> 01:36:42,460
If you have a farm and you have your primary residence on that farm, you know, it's a

1131
01:36:42,460 --> 01:36:50,160
100 acre farm and your house, then you would get your break if you were 62 or older.

1132
01:36:50,160 --> 01:37:03,380
Now, say that you've got 500 acres in the next five blocks away, or five acres away, or something, all of a sudden, that's all yours too.

1133
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:05,540
That's not your primary residence.

1134
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:11,080
So I'm thinking it's your house, the land that goes with that, right in that house.

1135
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:16,960
And right now we need to get that clarified to make dead certain sure.

1136
01:37:17,420 --> 01:37:19,300
That sounds reasonable. Thank you.

1137
01:37:19,300 --> 01:37:25,920
I was going to, sounds like most of the commissioners are leaning this way of trying to help

1138
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:26,980
seniors out.

1139
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:30,740
You know, there was a big deal about social security, I'm kind of an old guy, a big deal

1140
01:37:30,740 --> 01:37:35,960
about social security, but the country decided they owed that to people, because they had made

1141
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:40,180
the contribution to the country, and the country, first of all, we're really into that.

1142
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:45,560
Now, back then, they went into it, because nobody paid in to pay those people so security.

1143
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:51,820
my grandfather was going to and you know there's a little bit of consideration there that

1144
01:37:51,820 --> 01:37:56,520
maybe we owe these old people. You can call me an old person but there's some people in the county

1145
01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:02,920
they're really old and I'll just give you kind of a short example. There's a couple let's say four

1146
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:13,260
blocks over here I know where they're at exactly but they've been married over 50 years and they got

1147
01:38:13,260 --> 01:38:20,080
years and for them to pay those property tax, they're going to the market every week and

1148
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:26,300
they're buying always safe and they're on the hot dog diet because they got to save up a

1149
01:38:26,300 --> 01:38:31,020
December didn't have a month for them, you know they got to pay those property taxes killing them

1150
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:37,520
and they'd like to stay in that home until they die or have to go to the nursing home or something

1151
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:46,780
But the taxes are a big consideration for, and there I can give you other examples, but I don't want to take up too much time here.

1152
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:49,980
But they're, you know, they need the help.

1153
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:56,280
I like hot dogs too, but once they were 60 days, they're on the regular diet, because they're going to save that money.

1154
01:38:59,140 --> 01:39:00,540
So we need to get them a break.

1155
01:39:00,860 --> 01:39:05,340
I'd appreciate it if you can make that happen, and I'd appreciate it if you can do it sooner than later.

1156
01:39:05,340 --> 01:39:10,260
I appreciate every commissioner, everything you've said, all the considerations, I don't necessarily

1157
01:39:10,260 --> 01:39:14,380
agree with everything, but I don't have to, you know, rest all agree that'd be amazing.

1158
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:18,960
But if we can get a general consensus to agree on something that'll help these old folks

1159
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:19,780
I'd be great.

1160
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:20,860
I appreciate it.

1161
01:39:20,860 --> 01:39:21,620
Thank you.

1162
01:39:23,420 --> 01:39:25,800
Is there any other citizen who'd wish to address this issue?

1163
01:39:28,510 --> 01:39:32,190
I don't know anything about how this thing works, but I'm going to waste two eleven

1164
01:39:32,190 --> 01:39:42,270
I've lived in Liberty since 1975, I'm almost 70 years old when my husband and I we had no children

1165
01:39:42,270 --> 01:39:48,850
but we paid school taxes right along. We were happy to do it. He's been deceased now from almost 15 years.

1166
01:39:49,130 --> 01:39:57,790
I live on a widow's social security benefit. How many of you people are living on less than a thousand dollars a month trying to pay taxes?

1167
01:39:57,790 --> 01:40:03,850
I'm a little person. I'd like to stay in my house until I die. I'm not the only one who feels that way.

1168
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:05,470
I've talked to my neighbors.

1169
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:13,970
I just heard Social Security. We're going to need a big 3.2% raise. Big Whop!

1170
01:40:14,430 --> 01:40:17,510
That doesn't cover my food. It doesn't cover my gas.

1171
01:40:17,630 --> 01:40:20,850
I'm still working part-time to supplement my income.

1172
01:40:21,710 --> 01:40:27,770
I appreciate what you're trying to do, and I hope something will get passed to help us. Thank you.

1173
01:40:27,770 --> 01:40:30,890
And the other citizen wishing to address this issue.

1174
01:40:36,380 --> 01:40:38,800
I'm Sharon Crony. I live in Lawson.

1175
01:40:43,770 --> 01:40:47,230
I read over this. I printed it off today and I read this draft.

1176
01:40:47,890 --> 01:40:52,110
And so you have addressed one of my questions already, Mr. Johnson,

1177
01:40:54,530 --> 01:40:58,930
that this actually isn't going to take effect the way it is written until 2025.

1178
01:41:01,570 --> 01:41:10,690
Because all of us that are over 62 already will become eligible in 2024 if you started on January 1st.

1179
01:41:11,330 --> 01:41:16,310
But then you have to have a baseline tax rate to give your credit against.

1180
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:18,710
And so that won't happen until 2025.

1181
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:25,530
You know, some of these other people and I'm in the same boat.

1182
01:41:25,530 --> 01:41:31,710
you're saying, sir, that you don't want to, you want to wait and not do it. I believe the intent

1183
01:41:31,710 --> 01:41:40,950
of the state was to provide a benefit for senior citizens that were struggling. And we all know

1184
01:41:40,950 --> 01:41:49,910
a lot that are struggling. But I'm, I'm a widow. It takes me one whole month's check to pay

1185
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:57,730
your taxes. And it's not going to get better this year because my assessment went up 15%.

1186
01:41:57,730 --> 01:42:02,950
So I'm expecting a bigger bill this year than last. So that means it's going to be more.

1187
01:42:03,650 --> 01:42:10,810
And if you wait until 2024 to make my baseline, that's going to be a really hard baseline

1188
01:42:10,810 --> 01:42:17,130
for me to hit. You all are acting like we're going to get it free. Some of you that

1189
01:42:17,130 --> 01:42:22,090
saying, oh, we're going to lose all this money. I don't read it that way. Maybe I'm mistaken.

1190
01:42:22,430 --> 01:42:28,550
I don't think we're getting it free. We're just going to freeze it at the current high level,

1191
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:33,230
which is still going to be difficult for all of us that are struggling.

1192
01:42:34,870 --> 01:42:41,130
So my one suggestion to you is, if you want to make a small amendment to this,

1193
01:42:42,050 --> 01:42:49,490
that would actually help if that is your intent, and to go along with the state, that you

1194
01:42:49,490 --> 01:42:51,350
would write it,

1195
01:42:53,890 --> 01:43:01,510
Section B, number one, the eligible credit amount, don't say the year that

1196
01:43:01,510 --> 01:43:09,810
the taxpayer became eligible. Make it say the year prior to when the taxpayer became

1197
01:43:09,810 --> 01:43:17,570
eligible. It seems reasonable and fair and right to me that the year the taxpayer becomes

1198
01:43:17,570 --> 01:43:19,890
eligible that they should receive a credit.

1199
01:43:22,110 --> 01:43:24,130
And this won't affect anybody that's just

1200
01:43:24,130 --> 01:43:28,770
starting in 24 because if you just say make it 23 taxes to freeze,

1201
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:32,580
that's not going to give

1202
01:43:32,580 --> 01:43:39,940
anybody upper hand or anything else. Everybody's going to be on the same page in 2024. But

1203
01:43:40,540 --> 01:43:47,660
that would very much help the people that are already right now struggling to not have to wait

1204
01:43:47,660 --> 01:43:54,440
two more years and come up with two more years high taxes. That's all I have to say thank you very much.

1205
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:58,660
You can stay right there for a moment. I mentioned our loss and I believe you were seeking recognition.

1206
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:06,940
Yeah, I want to explain something. When they say you're the eligible, they hear your eligible. They don't

1207
01:44:06,940 --> 01:44:12,780
means the tax here, they mean the year you turn 62, but I'm talking about all the people

1208
01:44:12,780 --> 01:44:19,140
who are already 62 of which I am right and that's right, but what I'm saying is, when they

1209
01:44:19,140 --> 01:44:27,580
do that, when we do this, say we don't do it until 25, we're going to charge the taxes that

1210
01:44:27,580 --> 01:44:35,980
your tax charge two day. We're not going to wait until they go back up in 25 and then hit

1211
01:44:35,980 --> 01:44:44,240
with them. We're what your pants this time is what you'll pay next year and this will go into

1212
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:53,920
effect before taxes go up. So you won't see, you won't see an increase. Well that's not clear in

1213
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:59,560
But that is what exactly what they mean.

1214
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,840
It's been because it's going to go up in 25, we're already saying it is what it is right now.

1215
01:45:07,980 --> 01:45:14,860
We're not going to charge you in what the 25 right might be. It will be right now.

1216
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:20,000
But the baseline, where are you going to put the baseline? Is that going to be 24 sexes or 23 sexes?

1217
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:27,840
24. Yeah, but 24 will be the same as 23 correct Diana correct 24 is not a reassessment

1218
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:32,520
Yeah, so you're a little dilatation. Yeah, you guys keep saying that, but you know

1219
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:38,320
No, I'm telling you that sure it was not a reassessment you're either in my Texas win up 11% last year

1220
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:44,380
So I don't know how you can say it doesn't go up. It wasn't a reassessment here and

1221
01:45:44,380 --> 01:45:49,980
Somewhere in here about limited to 5% that's not 12 or so here's the

1222
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:59,400
The only thing that this is going to do is it is going to be on your primary residence.

1223
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:09,540
So if taxes went up, say like your car or something else, but the house tax, if you will,

1224
01:46:09,540 --> 01:46:20,860
Yes. That's going to be frozen in essence as of 24, which is the same as 23. So I'm promising

1225
01:46:20,860 --> 01:46:25,780
you. I'm not flim-flamming you because I'm going to get that credit too and I want to see

1226
01:46:25,780 --> 01:46:33,940
that it's done the right way. It is going to happen in 25 but it will be at the current rate.

1227
01:46:33,940 --> 01:46:41,340
So you will not get hit again with another raise on your primary residence, if that makes sense.

1228
01:46:41,500 --> 01:46:42,480
It makes sense.

1229
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:43,980
I'd love to see it happen.

1230
01:46:44,380 --> 01:46:44,640
Oh man.

1231
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:47,700
Could you pause for just a minute because we have another inquiry.

1232
01:46:48,100 --> 01:46:53,980
By the way, something more for a general point and that is what we are discussing tonight

1233
01:46:53,980 --> 01:46:55,580
is, in fact, a draft version.

1234
01:46:56,320 --> 01:47:02,940
So I want to make sure that I emphasize all citizens that changes are certainly, we have the ability

1235
01:47:02,940 --> 01:47:07,720
to make those right now, it's still a work in progress, so your observations, yours and

1236
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:13,260
other citizens are absolutely welcome not only in this particular form, but through any

1237
01:47:13,260 --> 01:47:17,880
other means that you want to contact us with that commissioner, Carpenter, I believe you

1238
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:18,300
start recognition.

1239
01:47:18,620 --> 01:47:18,980
Thank you.

1240
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:25,260
I just want to thank you for coming and sharing and saying to the last couple of folks who

1241
01:47:25,260 --> 01:47:25,920
spoke.

1242
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:29,720
I just want to make sure that for all three of you and anybody who's listening,

1243
01:47:31,740 --> 01:47:38,220
in terms of the current circuit breaker property tax relief, I just want to make sure everybody knows about it because not everybody does.

1244
01:47:38,440 --> 01:47:40,060
I don't qualify. I've tried.

1245
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:40,620
Okay.

1246
01:47:40,620 --> 01:47:44,120
I've gotten it once since my husband passed away seven years ago.

1247
01:47:44,340 --> 01:47:44,920
I've gotten it once.

1248
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:54,160
And I'm sorry that you don't, and so to the other folks too, and again anybody listening, if you at least check, see if you qualify for the current circuit breaker,

1249
01:47:54,160 --> 01:48:00,840
It's a state program that sends you a state tax credit to help lessen your property tax burden.

1250
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:10,300
The state should absolutely expand eligibility so that folks like you, you know, the story you just shared makes it clear that you want to qualify for the circuit breaker.

1251
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:18,260
And with the circuit breaker too, it's an even better benefit because to your point, this is just freezing the current tax rate.

1252
01:48:18,260 --> 01:48:21,420
So you don't get to stop paying property tax

1253
01:48:21,420 --> 01:48:22,640
with the circuit breaker program.

1254
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:26,100
You get an actual cash back against the amount

1255
01:48:26,100 --> 01:48:28,180
that you had to pay in property tax.

1256
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:32,100
This state will send you money back

1257
01:48:32,100 --> 01:48:35,400
to help lessen your property tax obligation.

1258
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:38,220
And it's actually a much better benefit

1259
01:48:38,220 --> 01:48:43,180
than simply freezing tax rates where they are right now.

1260
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:44,920
And I really wish, and I hope, you know,

1261
01:48:44,980 --> 01:48:46,920
the legislative talk about what we can communicate

1262
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:47,660
to the legislature.

1263
01:48:47,660 --> 01:48:54,400
One of the things we can communicate is that we think they ought to expand eligibility so that folks like you can qualify.

1264
01:48:55,900 --> 01:49:03,060
You know, I think your government ought to do a lot more to help low-income seniors who are struggling make ends meet.

1265
01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:10,000
I'm sorry that they don't. I hope that we're able to do something with this and I hope the circuit breaker which would do even more can be expanded.

1266
01:49:11,460 --> 01:49:15,060
I hope they expand, so security benefits at the federal level at some point,

1267
01:49:15,180 --> 01:49:17,000
to talk about for years, it's time to do it.

1268
01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:21,460
But most I just want to say I appreciate you all for sharing your stories.

1269
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:25,420
I hear you in terms of the hardship that's out there.

1270
01:49:25,620 --> 01:49:26,140
There's a lot of it.

1271
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:27,280
And you're not alone.

1272
01:49:27,660 --> 01:49:29,180
And I hope that we can do something to help you.

1273
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:30,380
Thank you.

1274
01:49:30,500 --> 01:49:31,060
Thank you, man.

1275
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:32,360
Thank you.

1276
01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:35,240
Any other citizen wishing to comment?

1277
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:38,600
Please come forward.

1278
01:49:40,340 --> 01:49:44,340
And I'd make sure the light is on for your microphone so you can hear you fine.

1279
01:49:46,900 --> 01:49:47,220
There you go.

1280
01:49:47,420 --> 01:49:48,060
Sorry, thank you.

1281
01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:49,900
Commissals my first time.

1282
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:51,460
It's honored to be here tonight.

1283
01:49:52,200 --> 01:49:53,740
Name is Charles Don Morris.

1284
01:49:54,620 --> 01:49:56,460
Lifetime resident here at Clay County.

1285
01:49:56,480 --> 01:49:57,680
I live on the corner of H.I.

1286
01:49:57,680 --> 01:49:58,800
Wayne Lancaster.

1287
01:49:59,380 --> 01:50:00,960
Name after my grandfather.

1288
01:50:01,420 --> 01:50:03,000
Charles Wright Morris, first class sergeant.

1289
01:50:04,220 --> 01:50:07,900
I just recently lost my grandmother a few years ago.

1290
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:20,180
She had left me five acres and my home out there and I guess my thing is I'm just trying to I'm kind of coming on a different aspect with this

1291
01:50:20,180 --> 01:50:24,720
I just was kind of wondering because I've lived out through my entire life. I'm 30 years old

1292
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:27,700
My questions are kind of

1293
01:50:28,540 --> 01:50:31,780
For the winner coming on every year out there since I've been a kid

1294
01:50:31,780 --> 01:50:38,440
And every time we've had snow, anything like that, I just lived just a little bit outside

1295
01:50:38,440 --> 01:50:41,060
the city limits, just a little bit east past Wayne Jewel.

1296
01:50:42,660 --> 01:50:49,000
Once the sea line ends, there's no, it seems like everything for Clay County, everything

1297
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:54,580
just happens for the city of Liberty, and not we don't seem to get a lot of resources out there.

1298
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:59,560
Like snow removal, I've been trying to submit about getting some just a few street lights

1299
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:05,020
put on corners due to the fact that all while a lot of our wildlife gets oblivious

1300
01:51:05,020 --> 01:51:13,520
out there, all year, deer's, foxes, all kind of animals has been so dark out there.

1301
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:16,060
I kind of have a whole lot of stuff to go around.

1302
01:51:16,220 --> 01:51:19,240
I didn't really, this was kind of more about the seniors tonight.

1303
01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:24,660
I wasn't really trying to, I just kind of wanted to introduce myself to you guys and let

1304
01:51:24,660 --> 01:51:28,480
you guys know that I'm going to be a lifetime member here, I'm going to spend the rest of

1305
01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:34,120
My family moved here in 1974, we're first sellers from Dubuque, Iowa.

1306
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:39,980
We owned about 400, some makers up there, me and my father, American pools, we built

1307
01:51:39,980 --> 01:51:45,400
in-ground swimming pools for 11 here, a big time member at St. Stephen's Lutheran Church,

1308
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:49,440
Pastor Del Rodriguez up there.

1309
01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:56,740
I guess my question is, I feel like the Clay County, we are so proud, I feel like Clay

1310
01:51:56,740 --> 01:52:03,780
been the most prosperous county, as far as revenue, business, from East West, North and South.

1311
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:11,440
I personally, and I inherited my home, and I personally had to pay, where our property

1312
01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:19,240
tax was about almost three grand last year. I guess I'm just asking, because I'm only 33 years old,

1313
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:23,500
I got a long ways to go. I have a lot of things to try to accomplish here for the county. I'm just

1314
01:52:23,500 --> 01:52:30,700
on to ask maybe if there's any roles available in the county that I could possibly apply for

1315
01:52:31,740 --> 01:52:36,480
or to see anything I could do to help, man, my name is Charles Amores and that's all I got.

1316
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:37,800
Thank you.

1317
01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:37,820
Thank you.

1318
01:52:37,980 --> 01:52:40,700
It was certainly condolences for your loss.

1319
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:50,280
Would you give your contact information to the administrator and maybe right now or later on

1320
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:54,540
every is convenient along with some of the issues that you raise because there were a couple

1321
01:52:54,540 --> 01:52:58,460
of them there and we don't want to just address one issue that you're interested in.

1322
01:52:58,540 --> 01:53:00,780
We want to make sure that where responsive is possible.

1323
01:53:01,220 --> 01:53:01,700
Yes, I understand.

1324
01:53:02,060 --> 01:53:02,560
Thank you.

1325
01:53:02,620 --> 01:53:03,140
Thank you.

1326
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:03,700
God bless.

1327
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:07,940
There are any other citizens wishing to come forward and speak.

1328
01:53:09,940 --> 01:53:10,080
All right.

1329
01:53:10,300 --> 01:53:11,180
Seeing none.

1330
01:53:11,900 --> 01:53:15,600
We didn't write a thing maybe round this off a little bit.

1331
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:18,660
I want to just mention a couple of things that occurred to me.

1332
01:53:18,660 --> 01:53:26,580
One was Commissioner Carpenter brought up the Circuit Breaker Act and that is something that has been in place in Missouri for some time.

1333
01:53:27,140 --> 01:53:34,500
It is generally for people of lower income, so it's difficult sometimes for people to be able to qualify.

1334
01:53:36,420 --> 01:53:45,880
Prior to Brown 2010 or somewhere in that area there was something called the Homestead Preservation Act which was designed for people who are of the next level up.

1335
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:51,720
Unfortunately, the House, at that time, I served in the House of Representatives, was able

1336
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:52,620
to renew that.

1337
01:53:52,780 --> 01:53:59,200
It was sunseted, unfortunately, the Senate did not extend it, which kind of took the place

1338
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:04,320
of some of the relief that was extended to seniors for their property taxes.

1339
01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:12,940
At the time, I tried to put together legislation that would limit the increase of seniors' property

1340
01:54:12,940 --> 01:54:18,900
taxes to the rate of social security increases. At that time, Social Security

1341
01:54:18,900 --> 01:54:24,660
benefit increases with zero. The rationale that I employed was if the government

1342
01:54:24,660 --> 01:54:29,080
thinks that seniors can live on zero percent increase, maybe the government

1343
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:33,960
should live on zero percent increase for the ones and how they fare. That being

1344
01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:39,260
said, we do want to make sure that we hear the voices of our citizens and on this

1345
01:54:39,260 --> 01:54:44,840
you particularly the seniors that are affected by this. We will no doubt be discussing this further

1346
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:52,100
as we go along. We do really want you to give us your input. You can certainly email us directly.

1347
01:54:52,220 --> 01:54:56,640
You could send your comments to the administrator who will then distribute them if that would be your

1348
01:54:56,640 --> 01:55:03,260
preference. But by all means we want to make sure that you take every opportunity to contact us,

1349
01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:08,540
to express your thoughts on it and also to inquire of us of any information that might

1350
01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:11,980
inform you more as far as what you

1351
01:55:11,980 --> 01:55:15,620
what your thoughts are on this particular ordinance that we are considering.

1352
01:55:17,200 --> 01:55:21,840
So we did one of the things that is that we do take some time with and that is to make sure

1353
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:24,500
that we hear from you the citizens because

1354
01:55:24,500 --> 01:55:27,280
it's your government and we want to be responsive.

1355
01:55:27,900 --> 01:55:31,380
With that commissioner Lawson, this was your discussion item.

1356
01:55:31,420 --> 01:55:33,560
If you would like to

1357
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:36,720
conclude it, I see no one else seeking recognition.

1358
01:55:37,340 --> 01:55:40,580
Why don't you go ahead and just carry it on home?

1359
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:44,120
Oh, I'm sorry.

1360
01:55:44,300 --> 01:55:45,220
Let me get you over there.

1361
01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:46,160
No.

1362
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:50,480
I have nothing else to say other than, you know, we do want to get this done.

1363
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:51,900
We want to do it properly.

1364
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:58,680
And so, you know, if anybody has questions like Commissioner Nulti said,

1365
01:55:59,100 --> 01:56:00,540
you can reach any of us.

1366
01:56:00,580 --> 01:56:05,240
Call here to the courthouse and they'll put you through to our office

1367
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:07,360
and we'll be happy to talk to you.

1368
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:17,400
So with that, let's hopefully we can work forward on this and get it done in a good time frame even if it isn't tomorrow.

1369
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:23,340
The hour is getting rather late and we've been at this for two hours now.

1370
01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:32,280
I think what I'd like to do is to stand at these for a short period of time and then roll through what we have left on our agenda which is not inconsiderable.

1371
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:39,760
So let's take a break and tell a little bit after eight o'clock and then we will start rolling through this.

1372
01:56:39,940 --> 01:56:44,360
Obviously any citizens who have attended and we're here specifically for the senior issue.

1373
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:52,180
You're always more than welcome to stay for any and all of our public meetings and whatever comments when issues come up that you see fit.

1374
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:56,160
With that we will stand at ease for five or six minutes.

1375
01:56:56,760 --> 01:56:57,340
Thank you.

1376
02:06:37,650 --> 02:06:44,630
If we can all start to get to our seats, we'll go ahead and reconvene and take up our agenda where we left off.

1377
02:08:31,060 --> 02:08:31,180
Okay,

1378
02:08:38,820 --> 02:08:47,940
as was pointed out, a factor of three seems to have been pretty accurate as far as my estimate on time, so I appreciate the accuracy expressed.

1379
02:08:49,000 --> 02:08:55,640
We are now returned from standing at ease. Next is the consent agenda.

1380
02:08:56,580 --> 02:09:02,800
The consent agenda allows the Commission to act upon items considered to be routine and approved in one motion.

1381
02:09:03,380 --> 02:09:06,860
These may include items that have been reviewed by the Commission in a prior session.

1382
02:09:07,420 --> 02:09:13,920
There will be no separate discussion unless the Commissioner requests that an item be removed from the consent agenda and considered separately.

1383
02:09:14,380 --> 02:09:17,080
There is one item on tonight's consent agenda.

1384
02:09:17,420 --> 02:09:23,760
Resolution 2023-323, approving invoice payments for Clay County from September 22,

1385
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:33,760
to October 6, there are 367 invoices, totaling 551,185 dollars and 23 cents.

1386
02:09:35,180 --> 02:09:38,240
Mr. Wagner, I think you move to approve tonight's consent agenda.

1387
02:09:38,480 --> 02:09:41,580
Motion's been paid for the approval of tonight's consent agenda.

1388
02:09:41,880 --> 02:09:42,580
Is there any discussion?

1389
02:09:43,520 --> 02:09:44,720
Seeing none, you're recognized to close.

1390
02:09:44,860 --> 02:09:46,120
I suppose, please call the roll.

1391
02:09:47,300 --> 02:09:49,340
Commissioner Wagner, Commissioner Wilmington.

1392
02:09:49,360 --> 02:09:49,680
Yes.

1393
02:09:49,800 --> 02:09:51,000
Commissioner Lawson. Yes.

1394
02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:53,380
Mr. Carpenter. Mr. Thompson.

1395
02:09:53,700 --> 02:09:53,720
Yes.

1396
02:09:54,280 --> 02:09:54,820
Mr. Johnson.

1397
02:09:55,460 --> 02:09:56,520
Motion passes 60.

1398
02:09:58,680 --> 02:10:00,080
Bring this to our regular agenda.

1399
02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:04,060
First item on regular agenda is 2023-2324 Administrator.

1400
02:10:04,220 --> 02:10:13,820
Resolution 2023-324 is consideration of invoice payments for the Clay County Prosecutor's Office from September 22nd through October 6.

1401
02:10:14,040 --> 02:10:17,180
There are six invoices totaling $876.

1402
02:10:17,180 --> 02:10:19,180
and 32 cents.

1403
02:10:20,760 --> 02:10:21,260
Commissioner Wagner.

1404
02:10:21,600 --> 02:10:21,960
Thank you.

1405
02:10:22,040 --> 02:10:24,080
We have to approve 2023-324.

1406
02:10:24,260 --> 02:10:27,420
Motion's been made approval of 2023-324 discussion.

1407
02:10:27,840 --> 02:10:29,360
Seeing none, you are recognized to close.

1408
02:10:29,420 --> 02:10:29,840
I close.

1409
02:10:30,060 --> 02:10:30,680
Please call the roll.

1410
02:10:32,280 --> 02:10:32,940
Commissioner Wagner.

1411
02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:34,100
Commissioner Wittington.

1412
02:10:34,980 --> 02:10:35,040
Yes.

1413
02:10:35,040 --> 02:10:35,840
Commissioner Lawson.

1414
02:10:35,980 --> 02:10:36,200
Yes.

1415
02:10:36,440 --> 02:10:37,020
Commissioner Carpenter.

1416
02:10:37,740 --> 02:10:38,420
Commissioner Thompson.

1417
02:10:39,780 --> 02:10:40,420
Commissioner Johnson.

1418
02:10:41,300 --> 02:10:41,940
Motion passes.

1419
02:10:42,260 --> 02:10:42,680
Five in favor.

1420
02:10:44,440 --> 02:10:52,380
I'm 2023-325 has been deleted from our agenda so that brings us to 2023-ordance-36

1421
02:10:52,380 --> 02:10:53,040
administrator.

1422
02:10:53,680 --> 02:10:59,180
2023-ordance-36 is an ordinance re-appropriating and revising the adopted

1423
02:10:59,180 --> 02:11:09,860
budget for the current year in the amount of $186666 and this is in relationship to grants

1424
02:11:09,860 --> 02:11:15,520
proceed for domestic violence court. Dr. Hargrave is here if the Commission has any questions

1425
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:18,340
about this. Are there any questions?

1426
02:11:20,470 --> 02:11:23,090
Seeing none, is there motion Commissioner Wagner?

1427
02:11:23,230 --> 02:11:29,250
Thank you. I move to approve 2023 ordinance 36. Motion has been made approval of 2023 ordinance

1428
02:11:29,250 --> 02:11:34,710
36 for the discussion. Seeing none, you are recognized to close. I suppose these call the role.

1429
02:11:35,690 --> 02:11:39,770
Commissioner Wagner. Commissioner Wagner. Yes. Yes.

1430
02:11:41,770 --> 02:11:51,430
Yes. Yes. Yes, sir. Yes. Motion passes 60. Thank you. That brings us to I am 2023-326

1431
02:11:51,430 --> 02:11:56,450
Administrator. Resolution 2023-326 is approving our

1432
02:11:56,450 --> 02:12:03,050
befending for the Justice Center Replacement Project. This was discussed several weeks

1433
02:12:03,050 --> 02:12:08,190
ago when we talked about the ARPA project. It's in the amount of $440,000 from

1434
02:12:08,790 --> 02:12:13,350
law's revenue category of ARPA funds and Director Cunes is here.

1435
02:12:13,590 --> 02:12:17,030
If you have any questions, sorry, Deputy County Administrator, sorry.

1436
02:12:18,830 --> 02:12:20,270
Are there any questions?

1437
02:12:21,830 --> 02:12:23,910
Seeing none is our motion, Commissioner Wagner.

1438
02:12:24,010 --> 02:12:24,330
Thank you.

1439
02:12:24,430 --> 02:12:26,470
Move to approve 2023-2326.

1440
02:12:26,890 --> 02:12:28,630
Motion has been made for the approval of 2020.

1441
02:12:29,030 --> 02:12:34,530
She's made 2023-23-2326, I need to slow it a bit.

1442
02:12:35,190 --> 02:12:37,770
For the discussion, seeing none, you're recognized to close.

1443
02:12:37,770 --> 02:12:39,810
I suppose at least all the role.

1444
02:12:40,410 --> 02:12:42,570
Commissioner Wagner, Commissioner Withington,

1445
02:12:42,990 --> 02:12:44,370
Commissioner Lawson, yes.

1446
02:12:44,490 --> 02:12:46,630
Commissioner Carpenter, Commissioner Thompson,

1447
02:12:47,470 --> 02:12:49,970
Commissioner Johnson, motion passes 60.

1448
02:12:50,890 --> 02:12:52,730
That brings us to the final item on the

1449
02:12:52,730 --> 02:12:55,930
evening's regular agenda, and that would be

1450
02:12:55,930 --> 02:13:00,090
a proving conditions for resolution 2023-322,

1451
02:13:00,090 --> 02:13:00,590
administrator.

1452
02:13:00,850 --> 02:13:06,190
Resolution 2023-322 is considering the approving

1453
02:13:06,190 --> 02:13:12,530
the conditions within the conditional use permit for the exotic, dangerous, wild, animal

1454
02:13:12,530 --> 02:13:18,030
facility under the conditional use permit. This item was discussed with the Commission

1455
02:13:18,030 --> 02:13:23,210
last week during your meeting. You did approve the conditional use permit, and it was discussed

1456
02:13:23,210 --> 02:13:29,350
that the conditions of the CUP would be back to the Commission tonight for consideration,

1457
02:13:29,930 --> 02:13:35,050
and I'll turn the discussion over on the conditions to County Councilor Graham.

1458
02:13:35,650 --> 02:13:46,090
Thank you, so Mr. Jones and I went through this over the last few weeks since the vote, the conditions that you have now in front of you are right. I believe reflect the conditions in the direction we were given.

1459
02:13:47,190 --> 02:13:54,710
I'm happy to answer any specific questions or go over them if you'd like but but I think they comport with exactly the direction we were given.

1460
02:13:55,370 --> 02:13:56,250
Commissioner withington.

1461
02:13:57,050 --> 02:14:04,170
Yeah, so I want to I want to give people the opportunity to talk but I want to make a motion that we approve resolution 20233.

1462
02:14:04,170 --> 02:14:05,890
1.2332.

1463
02:14:06,450 --> 02:14:10,990
Motion has been made for the approval of the conditions.

1464
02:14:11,810 --> 02:14:12,010
Let's see.

1465
02:14:12,070 --> 02:14:13,670
It's got a number attached to it.

1466
02:14:14,010 --> 02:14:14,310
It does.

1467
02:14:15,270 --> 02:14:15,570
It does.

1468
02:14:16,010 --> 02:14:17,030
Just go ahead and limit.

1469
02:14:17,110 --> 02:14:18,050
Because we already passed it.

1470
02:14:18,090 --> 02:14:20,370
I want to make sure I was using the correct terminology.

1471
02:14:22,690 --> 02:14:25,170
Motion has been made for the approval of 2023322.

1472
02:14:26,270 --> 02:14:27,890
Discussion Commissioner Lawson.

1473
02:14:29,250 --> 02:14:33,510
I just had a question for the attorney or perhaps for the young lady.

1474
02:14:33,510 --> 02:14:42,790
get owns it, however. So y'all have read these? Yes ma'am. Okay. And then I would like to

1475
02:14:42,790 --> 02:14:45,610
ask the young lady to come up just for a second please.

1476
02:14:50,440 --> 02:14:51,800
If you could go ahead and identify

1477
02:14:51,800 --> 02:14:53,920
yourself for the audience. Jennifer Castro.

1478
02:14:55,980 --> 02:14:59,280
Okay. Yeah. So here's the only question I have.

1479
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:27,960
All these, correct? And you agree with them, completely, correct? Okay. If something happens and these are, for some reason, something goes right and you don't complete some of these, will you abide in that you're going to, the conditional use permit will go away and you will not file a lawsuit against the county again.

1480
02:15:28,580 --> 02:15:34,760
Will you meet these requirements and if you don't, will you file a lawsuit because you haven't met them?

1481
02:15:34,900 --> 02:15:37,800
Like it has been in the past. It's my only question.

1482
02:15:39,500 --> 02:15:44,120
I can't advise my client never to go to court or avail herself of due process.

1483
02:15:45,040 --> 02:15:49,080
If there is a replication proceeding, she does have a right to go to court.

1484
02:15:50,040 --> 02:15:53,820
But she understands she has to comply with everything.

1485
02:15:53,820 --> 02:16:00,740
And if there is a substantiated reason to revoke it, she won't lose her license.

1486
02:16:00,980 --> 02:16:01,760
She does understand.

1487
02:16:01,980 --> 02:16:02,220
Okay.

1488
02:16:05,260 --> 02:16:06,320
That's all I have.

1489
02:16:06,840 --> 02:16:07,190
Thank you.

1490
02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:09,540
Any other questions or comments?

1491
02:16:11,140 --> 02:16:15,680
Would the applicant like to make any kind of statement before we conclude the debate?

1492
02:16:16,960 --> 02:16:18,820
I appreciate all of you guys this time with this.

1493
02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:19,720
I know it's taken time.

1494
02:16:19,900 --> 02:16:24,480
You're all of that and appreciate your thoroughness of looking through everything and listening

1495
02:16:24,480 --> 02:16:27,480
And you're time with it. Thank you.

1496
02:16:28,160 --> 02:16:29,120
Mr. Mayor Wagner.

1497
02:16:29,740 --> 02:16:30,680
Thank you, and I apologize.

1498
02:16:31,400 --> 02:16:35,100
I am perhaps the county councillor to direct me.

1499
02:16:36,660 --> 02:16:41,300
Where do I find the changes that we have made?

1500
02:16:43,120 --> 02:16:49,680
So, from what you saw, you mean from the first draft you saw this week, the small changes that happened in just a...

1501
02:16:49,680 --> 02:16:52,120
Or the decisions that we talked about last,

1502
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:54,520
we have the substantive changes that we've made

1503
02:16:54,520 --> 02:16:56,760
sure last week into that.

1504
02:16:56,780 --> 02:16:57,520
What does this appear?

1505
02:16:57,780 --> 02:16:58,220
So be sure.

1506
02:16:58,740 --> 02:17:02,860
So number six has some changes regarding screening.

1507
02:17:03,440 --> 02:17:06,040
Make sure there's more screening and it has to be

1508
02:17:06,040 --> 02:17:08,980
it has to be up to Mr. Jones's specifications.

1509
02:17:09,920 --> 02:17:12,040
Number nine has fencing requirements.

1510
02:17:12,960 --> 02:17:14,960
There's some language in there that would allow

1511
02:17:14,960 --> 02:17:17,480
some time to fix it of a problem.

1512
02:17:19,680 --> 02:17:25,480
10, 11, 12, 13, 14 are all new.

1513
02:17:26,320 --> 02:17:28,280
Basically, again, in line with what I believe

1514
02:17:28,280 --> 02:17:29,780
the directional as we were saved,

1515
02:17:30,640 --> 02:17:32,460
about the, you know, the cats, particularly.

1516
02:17:36,520 --> 02:17:40,900
15, we kind of embraced a concept of animal units

1517
02:17:40,900 --> 02:17:44,360
and three animal units, which would allow for some flexibility

1518
02:17:44,360 --> 02:17:49,240
up or down on the animals and

1519
02:17:51,320 --> 02:17:57,980
17 would require notification every time an animal is added

1520
02:17:57,980 --> 02:18:08,100
or removed, I don't think we made any changes to 18 and 21 I think was in there last

1521
02:18:08,100 --> 02:18:12,600
time but I know that was certainly one that I wanted to make sure we had very good and thank

1522
02:18:12,600 --> 02:18:16,440
you and I apologize for the one non-cheaps fan

1523
02:18:16,440 --> 02:18:18,200
who's probably watching from home,

1524
02:18:18,980 --> 02:18:21,560
or for their benefit, but I was trying to swim through

1525
02:18:21,560 --> 02:18:22,300
all this as well.

1526
02:18:22,640 --> 02:18:29,080
So thank you, and if Council doesn't mind,

1527
02:18:29,640 --> 02:18:31,880
I'll re-ass the question a little bit differently

1528
02:18:31,880 --> 02:18:36,200
than my colleague did, is there anything in here

1529
02:18:36,200 --> 02:18:39,800
that there is disagreement on or that there is any hesitation

1530
02:18:39,800 --> 02:18:44,220
it on from either you or your client related to this.

1531
02:18:44,740 --> 02:18:46,060
No, we negotiate it.

1532
02:18:46,460 --> 02:18:47,940
I've worked with Mr. Graham.

1533
02:18:48,440 --> 02:18:49,660
We agree to this.

1534
02:18:49,860 --> 02:18:50,960
She will abide by it.

1535
02:18:51,020 --> 02:18:54,620
Very well, and the last question is, as it is my impression

1536
02:18:54,620 --> 02:19:01,400
that there is something, if I carry this correctly,

1537
02:19:03,240 --> 02:19:05,440
there is currently something in the appellate court related

1538
02:19:05,440 --> 02:19:06,340
to this case.

1539
02:19:06,880 --> 02:19:16,760
There is in circuit court with the approval of this, I've spoken with Mr. Graham, tomorrow morning I'm going to follow a file of voluntary dismissal.

1540
02:19:17,300 --> 02:19:18,880
If the CEP is granted.

1541
02:19:19,400 --> 02:19:20,360
Very well. Thank you very much.

1542
02:19:20,960 --> 02:19:21,340
Thanks. Thank you.

1543
02:19:22,520 --> 02:19:23,920
For the questions or discussion.

1544
02:19:26,060 --> 02:19:28,400
Seeing none of the same one else wishing to speak, seeing none.

1545
02:19:28,680 --> 02:19:31,660
Commissioner Whithington, this is your motion so you're recognized to close.

1546
02:19:33,100 --> 02:19:33,880
I close.

1547
02:19:35,020 --> 02:19:36,860
Right, well, please call the roll.

1548
02:19:38,760 --> 02:19:39,540
Commissioner Wittington.

1549
02:19:40,260 --> 02:19:41,120
Commissioner Lawson.

1550
02:19:42,620 --> 02:19:43,180
Commissioner Wagner.

1551
02:19:43,380 --> 02:19:43,640
Aye.

1552
02:19:44,020 --> 02:19:44,700
Commissioner Farbender.

1553
02:19:45,100 --> 02:19:45,300
Yes.

1554
02:19:46,300 --> 02:19:47,120
Commissioner Thompson.

1555
02:19:47,840 --> 02:19:50,480
I'll be abstaining due to a potential conflict of interest.

1556
02:19:52,220 --> 02:19:52,900
Commissioner Johnson.

1557
02:19:54,700 --> 02:19:55,960
Motion passes for one.

1558
02:19:58,040 --> 02:19:58,380
Thank you.

1559
02:19:58,540 --> 02:20:01,780
They complete our regular agenda on this evening for this evening.

1560
02:20:02,320 --> 02:20:03,100
Discussion items.

1561
02:20:03,260 --> 02:20:04,440
Of course, we've already dealt with.

1562
02:20:04,440 --> 02:20:06,360
that brings us to number 11 reports,

1563
02:20:06,620 --> 02:20:09,320
the Auditor's Cash Basis Monthly Report.

1564
02:20:11,170 --> 02:20:13,290
The report is included in the packet.

1565
02:20:16,700 --> 02:20:17,740
Administrator comments.

1566
02:20:19,360 --> 02:20:25,400
Just for information, the next commission meeting is next Thursday evening at 6 p.m.

1567
02:20:25,440 --> 02:20:26,380
here in the chambers.

1568
02:20:28,650 --> 02:20:30,650
Bring us to commission a comments, commission a wager.

1569
02:20:31,990 --> 02:20:32,290
I'm good.

1570
02:20:32,690 --> 02:20:33,370
Thank you.

1571
02:20:33,590 --> 02:20:33,850
I'm sorry.

1572
02:20:34,010 --> 02:20:35,250
Let me go ahead and make sure you get your commission.

1573
02:20:35,490 --> 02:20:35,730
Awesome.

1574
02:20:36,630 --> 02:20:45,750
Commissioner Woodington. Yeah, Chiefs are winning 10 to 0, but there's a big gain this weekend.

1575
02:20:46,330 --> 02:20:55,810
Notre Dame versus USC, so look forward to bragging to my two Southern California boys over there that Notre Dame's going to win.

1576
02:20:59,460 --> 02:21:01,180
Okay. Commissioner Carpenter.

1577
02:21:03,480 --> 02:21:06,460
Commissioner Thompson. Commissioner Johnson.

1578
02:21:08,340 --> 02:21:14,400
And I think it's late enough to where I have no comments either, so with that we are adjourned.

1579
02:21:14,540 --> 02:21:14,980
Thank you.