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It is 708, and I will call this meeting to order. First item on the agenda is roll call.

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Thank you.

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Left, right. Council member Diaz.

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Yes, President. Vice Mayor 1.

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I'm here.

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I'm here.

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Mayor 1. Council member Trippiano.

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I'm here.

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Council member Tillman.

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You have a call.

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Next item is the pledge of allegiance.

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If you would join.

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Thank you, the first item, or the next item is public comment on non-agenda items, if anyone has a comment that is not on the agenda or regarding an item that is not on the agenda tonight.

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Now's your time. We have speaker cards, or you can raise your hand. No pressure.

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All right, Mr. Miller.

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Sure. I think we should go now so that we don't have to continue and do the out of order. So if you would

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oblige, that would be great.

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If you could, if you could turn the microphone on, that would be great. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Right there. Thank you.

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The obvious, but why don't put these on and then I'll be able to see it. Well, thank you for letting me make

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presentation you've been given. Some pictures, unfortunately, you don't get in

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in color or I apologize.

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It's very ironic that the G had guys said, well, we

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don't pay attention to non-residential areas, and I'm going to demonstrate why.

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You look at the first picture. Look at that pipe. That pipe that's bent over is the

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pipe line indicator for the high pressure pipeline. The slope's moving. The slope's moving

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You can look at the inclinometers, all over that slope, and it's moving badly.

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You should monitor it, you should take care of it, and it's a real safety hazard.

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The second one, the second picture, if you turn it 90 degrees this way, you can get a pretty good idea.

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This is a slot with what's called slapping.

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This is the embankment along the segment of the road.

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There's several of these.

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This blocks the curb and gutter.

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It's a storm water pollution prevention violation.

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It needs to be taken care of.

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It needs to be addressed.

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You had to do it last year.

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And you got to do it already again this year.

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The third picture is just to show you how the fire has

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here of all the debris, all the grasses, all that, that's just right against the road.

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Somebody splits a cigarette, somebody drops a chain, accidentally sparks from some vehicle.

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You got real problems, and you need to address this right away.

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It is really a big hazard.

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The last picture is a blow up of that area.

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I want you to all look at this real carefully and identify where the V ditch is and the drop train in that.

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You are folks. You can't, it is a dare. I've sent this picture to council members, to former administrative service people, to former city manager for over three or four years.

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It's not been cleaned out, it failed once, a couple years ago, about three years ago, and it's going to fail again.

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And so you need to address it.

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This is a safety hazard, a really, really big safety hazard.

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I have a, well, I don't practice anymore, but I have a degree in soil mechanics.

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And so I know a little bit of why I'm talking about, you've got a real slow problem.

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Number one, you've got a real fire problem, number two,

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and you got a real stormwater prevention problem number three and I'm just bringing this to the

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Council's attention. You can do nothing about it. That's fine. But it is a problem. It is a violation

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into some laws, state laws that thank you.

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Thank you.

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There's any other public comment.

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On non agenda items, seeing none, I will close item number three. Next is our consent counter, however, we're going to change the order a little bit, because I think this may be a popular item. Next is the recognitions and presentations item 5a. And this is the Certificates of Recognition, for students, for the do the right thing program, and I will turn the floor over to council member Thomas.

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Thank you, Mayor. I'm going to grab the portable microphones, so I'm going to switch to those

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hold on.

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We have to put them up to our mouth. Okay. All right. Thank you. Okay, great.

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I'm going to first have a Vice Principal Romo come on up from Mount Diablo Elementary School,

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and there are a lot of new faces in here today. So I'll just give you a little brief history of the

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the right thing program. This was started about 10 years ago by Mayor Hank Stratford. And we have

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we have several character traits that we observe throughout the school year. You can see them right

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down here on this, what do you call that? It's not a poster banner. Thank you. It's been a long

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work day. On the banner, so we observe or recognize inclusion, courage, integrity, kindness,

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respect responsibility and self discipline and self discipline is the one that we will be

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recognizing and that's usually these are given out for January and February and we give them

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out in March. But we're going to pretend like it's March even though it's April 21st. So first

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up we have Harlan Costa and all.

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Alright Harlan is in Miss Lovejoy's kindergarten class and Miss

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love joy at this to say about Harlin. Harlin is a wonderful friend who shows great

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to self-discipline at every single day in our classroom. Harlin listens carefully when

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the teacher talks, sits nicely during circle time, and always tries to her best to follow

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our classroom rules. When it is time to clean up, Harlin helps put a toys away without being asked,

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and Harlin uses kind words with friends. Harlin makes our classroom a happy and peaceful place

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because of all these good choices.

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Congratulations, Harlan.

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Congratulations.

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All right, next time I'm going to bring up Ms. Brown

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to present the word to William Howard.

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Hi, William.

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Hi, I was so excited when I got my classroom roster

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back in August and I saw that I had a Howard on my list

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because I worked with Mrs. Howard

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his grandma before she retired from out-double elementary school.

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And what I found out is that her grandson

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is a delightful young man. I nominated you for a self-discipline for a mouth-developed elementary school.

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You consistently make positive choices in our classroom and on the playground. You are very resilient

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and hardworking. You complete your homework and your classwork on time. You're a very eager

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reader. You take a lot of pride in taking your weekly AR quizzes and on your home reading books.

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You always come up to me and class look. I passed another Christmas Brown. Usually a hundred percent.

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He follows directions in all of our school rules. He is very well-liked. He has many friends, because you know why you're friendly and you're respectful.

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You're a gift to our classroom Mr. William Howard. Congratulations.

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All right, next up we have Giovanna, Bantara. Come on.

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you can do it awesome Giovanna is in our Miss Bevers for a straight class and she said

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I would like to nominate Giovanna for self discipline she works hard and is always on task and does her

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schoolwork before engaging in choice activities Giovanna is a joy to have in the classroom

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Congratulations,

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many yes, all right, and

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And our last one is Sammy Garvin, come on up.

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Sammy is in Miss Kios, fifth grade class, and she had this to say about Sammy. Sammy, sweet smile

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and easy-going nature are two things that are most readily apparent when it comes to her

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personality in class. However, under that is dedicated student. She is a great listener

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and follows directions well. Sammy always seems to know what to do and can stick to her timelines.

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I don't think I've ever had to give her reminders or manage her on time and using it

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actively. I can see her anywhere in class and she won't let the socialization effect work her

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habits, which is a fifth grade task let's say. She has always prepared and ready to go.

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It's great requires a lot of discipline as we prepare the students for the increasing amount

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of independence as well as navigating the academic and social aspects that will be required in

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middle school. Self-discipline is a key tool to have in order to manage all of that.

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Samy seems to have it while keeping a smile on her face as you see and finding balance in

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school life and social life. I am lucky to have Sammy in my class. Graduation.

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I know I saw Principal Romo. There you are. Hi. I mean Wilson. Wilson. Wilson, come on down.

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She'll call you by the name that you're given. You're you go.

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All right. So from the obelove you middle school, I will give it to you and we have of Hunter.

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All right. So, Hunter, come on up, buddy.

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Hunter was nominated by Ms. Ryan Nower, and she says that so Hunter is a great student.

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He is kind and respectful to his peers and adults alike, but what really sets him apart

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is his self-discipline. Hunter sometimes misses my class to go see Ms. Ziya, but he

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seamlessly transitions back into what he missed as soon as he returns. He is great about

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asking questions when he doesn't understand something and he is always on task with the materials

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he needs. I'm so proud of all that Hunter has accomplished this year. Congratulations Hunter.

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This award is well-deserved.

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I think I'll make a good picture.

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Joshua Regas. Joshua Discaza.

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Joshua's nominated by Ms. Parker. Ms. Parker says this. Joshua is so hardworking. He's always

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down to business and completes his work with diligence. Even if he's struggling, he won't give up.

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He's stays on tasks and always goes that extra mile.

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He takes a lot of self-discipline to master those areas,

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especially as a seventh grader, and he just shines.

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So congratulations.

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Good job, John.

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You got a photo?

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And Josh's gone.

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Give it a go.

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See, Josh.

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And last but not least, Emma Kaya-Home.

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And I was nominated by Mr. Tabe and he says this, I nominated Emma for do the right thing award for self-discipline because she is highly motivated and consistently demonstrates remarkable control over her choices.

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While they're facing academic challenges or peer distractions, Emma chooses focus, responsibility, and integrity every single day.

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She sets high standards for herself and has great organizational skills in maintaining an orderly notebook, keeping materials, and coming to class prepared.

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And the quietly leads by example in our classroom.

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Her self-discipline is steady, genuine, and inspiring to everyone she meets.

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You guys did it.

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I know dad wants to do it.

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Mayor, I will turn it back over to you.

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Do you want to invite everyone to stay while we do the other presentations?

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I think that they should for a few minutes.

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Are we going to go back to the officers?

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Yeah, okay.

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It's great to do the presentations first.

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We get all the good stuff.

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We get all the good stuff in the beginning.

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All right.

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So for our new officers, you get a large audience.

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That concludes item 5A.

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Next is 5B.

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The Introduction of Surrey and ceremony of two new police officers.

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I believe I'm handing this over to our police chief.

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If I could just, you know, as a small city, we have very few officers compared to some larger cities, but they are a very dedicated force and it's important that especially for our younger folks to know the officers in their community. So, this great, you can see two of the of our new officers here today.

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Thank you, Mayor. Mayor, council, public, family, it's an honor this evening to introduce you to two new Clayton police officers and it's exciting.

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I've been here for just a short time now and it's exciting to welcome two new officers to our agency into this department and to our community.

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So I'm going to have the two gentlemen please come forward

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and if you can stand off over there and face the audience.

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So I'd like to introduce you to two fine gentlemen that have joined the Clayton Police Department.

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You guys go over there.

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Okay.

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First is Officer Jacob Jake McPherson.

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I'll share a little with you about Jake.

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Officer McPherson, who goes by Jake, grew up in Vacaville, California.

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Multi-Sport athlete, he competed in wrestling, rugby, and soccer.

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He went on to play Division I Rugby at Chico State, where he helped lead his team to the

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national championship game, earnings silver medal.

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During his time at Chico State, Jake served as the vice president and president of the

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Rugby Club, and earned his bachelor's degree in criminal justice.

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Officer McPherson joined the Clayton Police Department in January and is currently in the last

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stages of his field training program.

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He is extremely excited to begin his law enforcement career serving the residents and businesses

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of Clayton.

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He looks forward to meeting everyone who works for the city and contributing to the safety

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and well-being of this beautiful community.

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In his free time, Jake enjoys spending time with friends and family attending concerts and

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stand-up comedy shows. Playing pickleball and playing video games is the new generation.

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He has also taken notice of the Bachi ball games downtown while I'm patrol and hopes to join

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them soon. Not on duty, Jake. Penny and Officer McPherson will be his mother, Andrea.

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Andrea served as a dispatcher for 29 years with the California Highway Patrol and the

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this past Christmas. She has, she has thoroughly enjoying her retirement and is excited to see

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your son begin knowing a lot, her, his new law enforcement career. So please give a hand

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for Officer McPherson.

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Like to introduce to you Officer Gabriel Phelps.

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Officer Phelps was born

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in raise in the Bay Area and he currently resides in Salon County with his wife, two daughters

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and son. Officer Phelps joins the Clayton Police Department from the Concord Police Department

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where he served as a jailer. Prior to that, he worked as a police officer with a Honolulu

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Metropolitan Police Department. We got one. All right. Officer Phelps is excited to begin this new

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chapter with the Clayton Police Department. He looks forward to working closely with local businesses

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and residents while delivering the highest level of service and professionalism to the community.

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Tonight, Penny and Officer Phelps will be his son, Ace Phelps. Please give a hand for Officer

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Now I'm going to ask some assistance from Ace and Andrea, would you please come forward?

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That one?

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Dr. A. Goodfell.

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If you would please stand next to your respective officers, please. Don't mess this one up, all right?

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So now we're going to give the oath of office,

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and then they will be pinned.

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Okay, gentlemen, if you please raise your right hand and you're going to repeat after me,

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I state your name, do solemnly swear,

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that I will-

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Support and defend the Constitution of the United States,

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and the Constitution of the State of California,

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against all enemies foreign and domestic,

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that I will bear true faith and allegiance to

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the Constitution of the United States,

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and the Constitution of the State of California,

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that I take this obligation freely,

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without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion,

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and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties upon which I am about to enter.

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Congratulations, gentlemen.

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We got to do that, kind of.

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All right, please pin your officers.

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One last thing for the police department on April 30th Thursday, April 30th,

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will be hosting our first coffee with the cops at roadside 22 with

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let's grind coffee so please join us if the public we'd love to have you there.

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All right thank you very much.

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The time is from 9 a.m. to 10.

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9 to 10.

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All right we have one more presentation and this is a proclamation

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recognizing April 29th through the 25th as National Library Week and so I'm going

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read this very brief proclamation,

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and I think we're presenting it to

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this power.

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Yes, perfect.

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All right.

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So we're as libraries for creativity, fuel and imagination, and inspired lifelong learning, offering

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space where individuals of all ages can find joy through exploration and discovery.

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We're all in the library right now.

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Whereas library serve as vibrant community hubs, connecting people with knowledge, technology,

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and resources while fostering civic engagement, critical thinking, and cultural enrichment.

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And whereas libraries provide free and equitable access to books, digital tools, and innovative programming,

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ensuring that all individuals regardless of background have the support they need to learn, connect, and thrive.

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And whereas libraries partner with schools, businesses, and organizations to maximize resources, increase efficiency,

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and expand access to essential services strengthening the entire community.

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And whereas libraries empower job seekers, entrepreneurs, and lifelong learners by providing access to resources training and opportunities that support career growth and economic success.

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And whereas libraries nurture young minds through story time, steam programs, and literacy initiatives, fostering curiosity and a love of learning that lasts a lifetime.

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And we're as libraries protect the right to read, think, and explore without censorship,

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setting as champions of intellectual freedom and free expression.

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And we're as dedicated librarians and library workers provide welcoming spaces that inspire

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discovery, collaboration, and creativity for all.

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And we're as libraries, librarians, and library workers across the country are joining together

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to celebrate National Library Week under the theme of Find Your Joy.

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Now, therefore, be it resolved that I, Jeff Juan, mayor of the CEO Clean, proclaim April 19 through 25th, as National Library Week.

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During this week, I encourage all residents to visit their library, explorers, resources, and celebrate all the ways that the library helps our community find joy.

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And I believe this power is accepting the proclamation.

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It's my pleasure to be here tonight. Geneva is busy. Our community branch managers. Little short-handed today, but it is really my pleasure to be here because I have been involved with this library before it was since 1989. I believe it's very important place to this community and it's nice to have it acknowledged annually, so thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Do you want to do a photo?

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Do you want to check a photo?

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You have to be a photo? Yeah, let's see.

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All right. That concludes item five of the presentations. I know that a lot of you are here for that, and if you want to say you're welcome to, but if not, we will not be offended if you want to do other things.

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So I will, I guess you can, can you give it to me?

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Okay, but just a minute.

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Yeah, give it to me.

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All right.

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We will continue with our regularly schedules agenda.

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And this will go back to item number four of the consent calendar.

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Does anyone have any items that they would like to pull from the consent calendar?

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Okay.

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Then I would actually like to make a comment on item C, and that's the contract list, isn't it?

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If no one else says then I will indulge.

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Is this report, so I just had a couple of questions.

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Are we?

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I was under the impression, because we saw a draft of a contract list prior.

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I can't recall the exact date, but when we did, it was quite extensive.

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And this list is not, so are we saying that this is a complete list or is this a not a complete list?

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It is not a complete list. It is a list and I think I put the criteria in which they applied to the all of the contracts.

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we probably have a couple of 300 different kinds, but what's included here is anything that's

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a service contract or a subscription that's greater than $30,000. And it does not include

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any contracts that are revenue contracts, it does not include any MOUs or agreements with other

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governmental entities,

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and I think that's all the criteria I applied to this.

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Okay, so one of the things you might notice is it's also a much shorter list because we've been

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eliminating contracts over the last several months. Do we have an idea of like the magnitude of

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elimination.

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Probably seven eight contracts in the like one a month at least and probably

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at a cost of

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probably $400,000 over an annualized basis.

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When you say $400,000 annualized,

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do you mean it's a reduction in contract spend of $400,000 annualized?

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Or, or a movement to another kind of contract that would reduce the cost. Yes. So one example is we had a couple hundred, well, hundred, and something, thousand dollar contract didn't get to 200. So I'll correct myself there for building maintenance, which was replaced by an in-house seasonal worker saving the city, the delta between their salary and that contract.

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Okay. Thank you. The note on the staff report says anything under the city manager's signature authority, but I think it is supposed to be over. Yeah, and then it wasn't, it's not under the purview of the city manager's signature authority. So you're, but you're right. It's the, the dollar amount would be over 30,000. Okay. Thank you. Yes.

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I just want to do anything else looming out there that we will be brought back to the council for review and approval.

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Contracts.

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We're kind of caught up.

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We're going to be doing some renewals.

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There'll be a number of renewals coming up.

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And if they exceed 30,000, then you'll.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And just to note too, there'll be a number of others that are going to be coming off in August and September

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that are being replaced by the civic plus contract.

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So a number of those expire in that month.

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So those will be coming off in the next,

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probably the first quarter of 27.

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Okay, thank you.

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And then the only question that I had earlier today

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in my one-on-one with our city manager

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was the Bell Air Mechanical.

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So it's a $98,000 contract.

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Year to date is 22, five, six, so.

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Are we going to be saving some money or is there more work to come?

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There's more work to come.

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So we'll probably use that whole 98?

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No, we won't use the full 98.

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But again, one of the things that we do with the not to exceed amounts is we try to estimate what the

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annual spending would be and then we put that down.

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But we are only obligated to pay on that contract based on the services provided.

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Of course.

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Well, I was just wondering if budgeting was, you know, did we budget for 98 and yes, we didn't budget for 98 okay, and is that a needs fact company

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Bell air mechanical? Yes, it is okay. Yes, and they take care of the air conditioning here in this building as well as city hall

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I will say

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We are going to have to replace one of the two compressors on the air conditioning at city hall. It's going to be about a 15 thousand dollar item

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So, that's been ordered and is being shipped from these coasts.

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Okay, thanks.

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So that will help you into that 98.

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The good way.

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I do have one follow up.

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These contracts all the way through 2526 is that correct?

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Not beyond.

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A couple of them do extend into 27.

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But it just depends on the cycle.

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Some of the ones that we did earlier this spring.

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I tried to take all the way through to June 30th of 2027, but they're budgeted on an annual basis based on the fiscal budget.

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June 30th, 2027.

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Yes, sir.

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Okay.

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Well, there's one that goes through 28.

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Oh, I was there.

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Group.

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Civic plus.

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That's true.

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Okay.

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So they only ask I would have because I'm looking at the staff report.

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And it says,

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provide feedback. So my feedback would be if we're going to receive or

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we're like this, I would always like the, so what, what about it?

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Like you, you, you did definitely take an action, reduce the number

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contracts, look for contract savings, you're going to combine and

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consolidate or later something like that. So if there are these actions,

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I mean, I think that is really what you're trying to highlight. But this

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information without context, so I would include something that says, okay, here's why we are

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showing you this and what you like, how should I interpret it? If you provide the context,

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it'll help come across easier. I just had a couple of questions about the explorations. Some

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of them don't have explorations. What are we, why are you putting your hand on your head?

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That was like, I can't ask a question.

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I start talking and you're like, oh, god, not her.

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All right.

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Could you give me an example of the ones, yeah?

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Apex and rural pig and workers.com.

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So I can see that the contracts are executed,

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but there's no expiration date.

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We have them for a while.

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We'll be doing new contracts with them.

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Are we going to redefine the contracts?

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I guess it's the best way to ask it.

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Yeah, so the short answer is yes.

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We are going to redo those and have.

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In some cases, I have not been able to physically locate or electronically locate. The actual existing contracts.

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And so that's one of the issues with APACs in particular, but there are a couple of where regular contact with,

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but we are thinking about putting that out to bid as well.

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So. Okay. And then what about the other two?

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Workers.com and roll.

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Yeah, workers were winding down and that's one that's going to be eliminated in the fourth quarter.

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Okay.

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A real big contract was an ongoing contract, but we are exploring opportunities to do it in a different way.

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because right now it's not beneficial to us the way it's currently structured.

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Okay, and then for the auditing services with the expiration, I'm assuming you're working on a new one already if it's not already done.

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So there's actually two one-year options on that contract and we're trying to do some things to accelerate their service in the coming for the 26 audit.

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So that we can look at putting that out to bid in 27.

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And then the only other question I have because it will be a burning one is are we going to renew the all city management school crossing guard one which expires in June.

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You mentioned that someone you'd be facing out on that one that one we're going to continue.

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Thank you.

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Just one comment on that.

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We pay all the school district does not contribute a penny, right?

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For that contract, we pay the price for that contract, yeah.

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They provide some...

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For background, the school district does not provide funding, but the quarry does.

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Right, that's what it was, thank you, yes.

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They pay an agreed upon rate, or they pay an amount based on agreement that equals one crossing record.

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Is this been yours, the school district?

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You're you're Microsoft. Yeah, I was just saying it's been years the school district has as a refused

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But the county did a study. Oh, I want to say the last year with all the cities and every city approaches this different some pay some don't

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Depending on the district they provide money and some of them have no large no nothing

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I'm just yeah from a delineation of responsibility the safety on streets is falls on the bird the bird and falls on the municipality

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So that's why many districts in order to save money have made that choice.

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Any other questions?

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Public comment on the consent calendar.

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Seeing none.

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Close for comment.

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We have a motion approval.

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I'll second.

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Would you please call the roll?

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Council member Diaz.

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Council member Tupiano.

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Yes.

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Council member Tumman.

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I. Vice Mayor Anya? Yes. Mayor One. I. As five zero. The motion carries. All right.

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That concludes. I don't know where four can thank calendar. We've already done. I don't

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know where five. I don't know where six is reports. Seeing managers.

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Report. Thank you, Mayor. Councilmember.

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Main. It's an update. We've added a second contractor to assist with landscaping weeds

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and trees. So they've been out working.

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They started with the inbound side and the median of Oakhurst, they're flipping around, going

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to the outbound, also working on the hillside right over here, turning on the main street

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going downtown, trimming trees, removing what are referred to as suckers, that are trees

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that are just growing randomly, that have no purpose of getting rid of those,

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and then

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staff, remove the weeds at the dog park, and replace it with bark, get it, get it, get it?

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Yeah, that was yours, they can't all be winners.

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No, no, very few are.

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And then weed abatement for a fire danger in the open spaces, they're up working on Keller Ridge right now.

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They've expanded their crew size so they can get to more of it quicker.

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Can you address on the deadline for that?

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That's June 1st.

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June 1st.

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So all the stuff that we were talking about, the weeds, the things of the road, that...

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Other folks may have been mentioning June 1st. Must be done by June 1st and we will meet that deadline?

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No, I had to. Just real quick and just to set the expectation. So we are going to do the roadways, 30 feet off of the roadways and as indicated earlier in public comment, that is a major source of fire starts as dragon toe chains and whatnot.

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And then we're going to do 30 feet back from the fences of the property owners in the open space. We're not clear cutting the entire open space.

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We're going to comply with the law.

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We're going to comply with the law, by the deadline.

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Good choice.

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A couple of other quick things, Public Works Director.

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We had first interviews last week.

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Good Lord.

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I'm meeting with the two candidates.

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The final list later this week, and we'll make a determination and see if we can come

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to an agreement.

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We had a great group of candidates.

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We were very impressed.

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So looking forward to filling that role.

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the City Clerk Assistant at the City Manager has departed and that recruitment

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opened today. We're using the same firm that we used for the Public Works

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Director. So I thought that launched, so we're looking at interviews

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probably late May, mid to late May. And in the meantime, we have the beard of

447
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Mr. Skyler has the acting clerk and still fulfilling his role as a project manager, so he has plenty of fun to do.

448
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:38,500
And last, I met with the county library as well as the architects the staff to noon.

449
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:39,760
I had my date wrong.

450
00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:48,720
We are most likely, we have agreed that October November is the best time for construction

451
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:52,980
because September is a little difficult with programs that they have going on in the library.

452
00:41:53,780 --> 00:41:56,160
So to accommodate them, we will start October.

453
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,580
We will order the furniture in June.

454
00:42:00,580 --> 00:42:03,340
It takes about four months to get the furniture.

455
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,780
And then we've got the, now that we have dates, we can build the timeline backwards and get everything

456
00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:15,620
kind of put together and move forward, so excellent, and that concludes my report.

457
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:21,560
So you, you were going to do like a, like a readout of the progress of some of the activities

458
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:27,700
that we talked about last, last week, is there, is that the structure, or is there more

459
00:42:27,700 --> 00:42:33,040
that was going on? Because I know that there's a lot of beautification type activities that

460
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:39,040
going on, is there more in that front at this point, or is that just more to be on going

461
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:39,500
thing?

462
00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:45,880
We're kind of developing that work plan as we go and trying to address this with

463
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:53,280
the crews and so it's kind of a moving target, but yes, we will have more at each council

464
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:53,540
meeting.

465
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,480
We'll bring what we have either coming up or what was completed in the previous two

466
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:58,900
weeks.

467
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:10,920
Okay, can I ask that as part of that more, there's a view into the overall scope of work that we're doing?

468
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:17,220
It's not necessarily just a two-week look, but a longer-term look so that us and the community have an idea of what to expect,

469
00:43:18,420 --> 00:43:20,820
maybe in the one to four-month range.

470
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,440
Because I mean, I think that's like where we were really talking about ramping up activity.

471
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:34,440
So it'd be good to get idea of what that should look like, so we have that kind of planned out.

472
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:41,860
And even if it's a written report that's, you can verbally say it, but just like we include ours and writing.

473
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,880
That might be a good idea too.

474
00:43:44,260 --> 00:43:44,300
Yeah.

475
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:48,920
I think so the community knows, hey, we're all these things around the document and they're coming.

476
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,220
It's can't all be done at once, but it'll come.

477
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:53,600
So that'd be helpful, I think.

478
00:43:57,630 --> 00:44:03,150
First of all, compliments on the landscape maintenance, it's being very, very apparent that the

479
00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:04,930
team is out there taking care of it.

480
00:44:04,990 --> 00:44:10,050
In fact, one that gives a lot of visibility is right, I said the front door here and that's

481
00:44:10,050 --> 00:44:13,710
finally gotten that clear to us because now, and we're getting positive feedback, at least

482
00:44:13,710 --> 00:44:19,870
I am from the community that this is taking place, so it's long overdue and the ones that

483
00:44:19,870 --> 00:44:23,690
have talked to me are very happy with what's taking place.

484
00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:29,550
Back to your talk about the public works manager of all that person who will be one of the

485
00:44:29,550 --> 00:44:36,070
finalists or the two finalists, are they being interviewed by the staff? Are you using that process?

486
00:44:38,110 --> 00:44:43,650
Management staff interviewed them last week and then I'll be meeting with them this week.

487
00:44:43,970 --> 00:44:44,690
Good, thank you.

488
00:44:46,370 --> 00:44:51,110
And then the only thing I forgot to put in my council report and I'll have a full line up in my

489
00:44:51,110 --> 00:44:59,390
report for May 7th is that concerts in the growth is starting on May 16th and the entire line-up and

490
00:44:59,390 --> 00:44:59,970
flyer.

491
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,660
Are on our concert in the group landing page on the website?

492
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:10,240
Excellent. All right. Any other questions?

493
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:17,380
All right, that concludes 5, 6a, our 6b, the reports are in the agenda packet.

494
00:45:18,660 --> 00:45:23,820
There is no item 7, and we will move on to item 8.

495
00:45:24,180 --> 00:45:31,580
This is action item, so item 8A looks like the first three items are a series of

496
00:45:31,580 --> 00:45:33,320
appointments that we are discussing.

497
00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:40,540
The first is for the trails in landscape committee, for Miss Karen Case.

498
00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:44,940
Is anyone from staff introducing this item?

499
00:45:50,860 --> 00:45:53,360
Well, sure.

500
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:05,960
This is one of those items that got left last week with the clerks. So currently right now

501
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:12,040
We had we had one opening on trails on landscape. One person has resigned about six weeks ago

502
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:19,960
So there are two vacant positions and we've been taking we've had it open for applications for several months

503
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:29,300
we had the last selection, and so this was the only applicant that we had, and so we brought

504
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,600
this case forward this evening.

505
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,080
Okay, thank you. Her application is in the agenda package. Yes.

506
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,600
Does anyone have any questions?

507
00:46:45,550 --> 00:46:49,230
No, but I've received emails from her in the past, and she seems to be

508
00:46:49,230 --> 00:46:55,990
interested in things related to landscaping and our trails.

509
00:46:58,670 --> 00:47:01,290
So yeah, but she's not here tonight, right?

510
00:47:01,290 --> 00:47:02,250
I have never met her.

511
00:47:02,330 --> 00:47:06,410
She is not, I talked to her earlier, or late last week.

512
00:47:06,610 --> 00:47:12,750
She had a family situation horizon was not able to make it.

513
00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:14,950
Yeah, I definitely had communication in this case.

514
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:18,330
I believe she does have a passion for the area, however,

515
00:47:18,330 --> 00:47:29,490
The only thing that I would say is that, you know, the work as a member of the TLC is not necessarily about landscaping itself,

516
00:47:29,690 --> 00:47:35,110
but it's more about the oversight and administration of the actual landscape maintenance district assessment.

517
00:47:35,730 --> 00:47:42,830
So as long as the person is up for that, then I'd have it.

518
00:47:42,830 --> 00:47:43,110
Okay.

519
00:47:44,590 --> 00:47:47,350
All right, public comment on item 8A.

520
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:50,750
Seeing none, close public comment.

521
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:54,550
Any other questions?

522
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:55,570
Is there a motion?

523
00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:59,350
I'll make a motion to approve mis case for the

524
00:48:00,210 --> 00:48:02,350
chosen as gate committee for two now.

525
00:48:02,430 --> 00:48:02,970
I'll second.

526
00:48:03,790 --> 00:48:05,330
All right, if you would call the roll.

527
00:48:05,950 --> 00:48:06,530
Can do.

528
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:08,070
Let's go left, right?

529
00:48:08,090 --> 00:48:09,150
Council member Diaz.

530
00:48:09,330 --> 00:48:09,530
Yes.

531
00:48:10,450 --> 00:48:11,390
Council member Trippiano?

532
00:48:11,970 --> 00:48:12,170
Yes.

533
00:48:12,830 --> 00:48:13,910
Council Member Tillman?

534
00:48:14,810 --> 00:48:16,510
I was still stuck on the left, right?

535
00:48:17,130 --> 00:48:17,630
Left to me.

536
00:48:17,790 --> 00:48:18,030
I apologize.

537
00:48:18,450 --> 00:48:20,010
Left to the audience watching.

538
00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:21,830
Is this like a large left?

539
00:48:22,090 --> 00:48:22,330
Yes.

540
00:48:22,770 --> 00:48:24,830
I didn't do stage as I can tell you.

541
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:26,230
Councilman?

542
00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:26,430
Sorry.

543
00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:27,750
Vice Mayor Anya.

544
00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:28,090
Yes.

545
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:29,090
And Mayor Juan.

546
00:48:29,970 --> 00:48:30,010
Okay.

547
00:48:30,310 --> 00:48:31,530
Motion carries 50.

548
00:48:31,890 --> 00:48:32,170
All right.

549
00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:32,850
That's 8A.

550
00:48:33,070 --> 00:48:36,350
8B is considering the appointment of Mr.

551
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:37,850
Anita Strannick.

552
00:48:38,070 --> 00:48:39,930
As the city of Clinton representative to the

553
00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:43,410
to County Advisory Council on Aging,

554
00:48:45,470 --> 00:48:50,490
or are you going to, I'm going to go to you at the beginning of each item, because it's coming to me.

555
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:51,550
I got this background.

556
00:48:53,330 --> 00:48:55,930
The application should be in your pack, excuse me.

557
00:49:05,140 --> 00:49:07,060
I think the chief's given me his cold.

558
00:49:11,050 --> 00:49:11,970
Thank you.

559
00:49:11,970 --> 00:49:17,990
So, Mr. Anick also has submitted her application, should be in your packet.

560
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:27,650
We are previously represented in a past way, and so we are looking to fill that position.

561
00:49:28,990 --> 00:49:36,290
And so again, we advertised it on the website, put some information out, and we have one

562
00:49:36,290 --> 00:49:39,330
application, and that is, Mr. Anick.

563
00:49:39,330 --> 00:49:44,270
So, I'll turn it over to you for questions or comments.

564
00:49:47,010 --> 00:49:49,710
Anyone would like to comment on the application of Ms. Strannick?

565
00:49:51,110 --> 00:49:56,030
I will just say that I know Ms. Strannick.

566
00:49:57,550 --> 00:49:59,970
And she is a member of the Clayton Valley Village.

567
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:28,740
Is she, I know she's got a corporate background. I think she would be a great representative to the city and the council. And she has done some terrific training sessions with the clean valley village board. And I think she'll really do a terrific job. So she's not here tonight. Either I don't think so.

568
00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:34,320
Excellent. I don't know if anybody else knows her comment. I don't know. I don't eat b

569
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,560
Seeing none. I will close public comments and is there a motion?

570
00:50:42,420 --> 00:50:44,080
I'll move for a minute. I'll second.

571
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,660
Okay, we can move out the roll. Council member Tillman.

572
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:51,440
Aye. Council member Chupiano.

573
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:58,560
Yes. Council member Diaz. Yes. Vice Mayor Anya. Yes. Fair one. Aye. Motion

574
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:05,540
carries files here. All right. That is item 8B. Next is item 8C. This is consider approving

575
00:51:05,540 --> 00:51:11,400
the reapplyment of Ed Miller to serve on the Contragust Transportation Authority

576
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,560
Systems Advisory Committee. This should be no surprise.

577
00:51:16,540 --> 00:51:17,360
I'm 40 million.

578
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:25,940
As stated, Mr. Miller has served on the CCTA citizens advisory committee in the past and actually

579
00:51:25,940 --> 00:51:29,280
term expired a little a little while ago, but it's still maintained.

580
00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:40,520
I still attended the meetings and he and I have had some conversations over the last

581
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:47,220
couple months on some items. So his application to be re-appointed should be in your packet.

582
00:51:47,940 --> 00:51:51,340
I'll turn it back over to you for any comments or questions you may have from Mr. Miller.

583
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,200
Any comments or questions? I see Mr. Miller's here.

584
00:51:58,460 --> 00:52:11,140
Well, I do have some comments and I do have some questions, Mr. Miller, you have been on this committee for seven years,

585
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:22,780
but and I've been on the council almost four and I do not ever remember you reporting out to us and I'd like to hear your reasoning for that.

586
00:52:22,780 --> 00:52:32,420
You've also been on an expired term since 2023, and I don't know if it was our responsibility for yours to say,

587
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:37,020
hey, I'm sitting here on an expired term, I'd like to stay on and reapply.

588
00:52:37,260 --> 00:52:44,920
I noticed every other person serving on the committee is current, and so honestly in four years,

589
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:51,080
if you've reported out, I've never heard it, and I'd like to know what you do on that committee

590
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,260
and how you serve us as a community.

591
00:52:53,620 --> 00:52:54,540
That would be great.

592
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:58,080
Thank you very much for the opportunity to answer those questions.

593
00:52:58,420 --> 00:52:59,660
First of all, it was your fault.

594
00:52:59,860 --> 00:53:06,680
Only in the sense of it is the city council's, a memo is sent over at the time of expiration

595
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:07,320
to the city.

596
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:13,440
So it is up to the city to re-appoint the representatives and those letters have been sent.

597
00:53:13,540 --> 00:53:14,180
But anyway.

598
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,200
What do you have to reapply?

599
00:53:16,780 --> 00:53:17,400
I did.

600
00:53:18,060 --> 00:53:18,620
You did?

601
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:19,420
I did.

602
00:53:19,420 --> 00:53:27,060
before today before tonight correct a few weeks ago yeah yeah but anyway so

603
00:53:27,060 --> 00:53:30,980
I it's funny that you should mention what you are because first of all let me tell you

604
00:53:30,980 --> 00:53:36,620
what the committee does it's very easy and succinct the committee is responsible for

605
00:53:36,620 --> 00:53:45,200
approving the application the by by annual application of each city or county entity

606
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,560
for Measure J Return Source Fund.

607
00:53:47,820 --> 00:53:50,980
So basically the gas tax that's gonna come back to the city

608
00:53:50,980 --> 00:53:53,900
on a two-year basis, there's two-year cycle.

609
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,820
And so if every two years, the cities send a representative

610
00:53:58,820 --> 00:54:01,760
to that committee, we listen to their petition

611
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,680
of all the things that they've done with the money

612
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,940
and other transportation and housing projects

613
00:54:07,940 --> 00:54:11,900
for the last two years, and then we vote up or down

614
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:16,520
to give the measure, it is practically perfunctory, I'll say that.

615
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,900
But there are some good questions, some back and forth, some feedback that comes from

616
00:54:20,900 --> 00:54:31,780
the various communities that reinforces or suggests other action when we don't like sort

617
00:54:31,780 --> 00:54:37,720
of a direction that things are going, it's a chance for the cities and the county at large

618
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:40,520
representatives to express that to the cities.

619
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,840
Like, for example, maybe someone saying,

620
00:54:45,340 --> 00:54:48,240
I don't like the lack of coordination of stop lights

621
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:51,780
on YV between the Concord and Walnut Creek.

622
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,980
That's an example of a comment that I.

623
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,880
We have fed back in the past. In the interest of our citizens, citizens, citizenry.

624
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:13,360
But to your point, I actually, I sent an email to the city when I applied for this and I said,

625
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,360
I really recommend that we create some sort of reporting structure like, for example,

626
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:26,400
as I attend these meetings monthly, I can simply put a single paragraph in an email that could be included in the report

627
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:31,160
out for the council of for that. I think that would be graded, give you some visibility.

628
00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:39,200
Most of the time, it will be something like this. Last meeting, the cities of Maraga and

629
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:46,720
Arinda presented their measure jay checklists for approval and were voted approved. But

630
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:52,960
there are occasionally, and so that's, you know, maybe a little drive. But what has been

631
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,240
doubling up that I'd really like to have the chance to report back is there have been

632
00:55:57,240 --> 00:56:04,440
some very successful problems, very successful solutions put out to problems like by

633
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:05,140
San Ramon.

634
00:56:05,540 --> 00:56:12,140
They've used some of their measure of J money to fund busing for the schools in a sense that

635
00:56:12,140 --> 00:56:14,840
they could say, well, it's traffic abatement.

636
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:21,680
So there's some really creative and successful solutions that I would love to forward, like I

637
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:28,560
I said noted in a paragraph and maybe attach some slides of interest.

638
00:56:29,340 --> 00:56:35,740
So I would love to report out to the council if that would be possible in that format.

639
00:56:36,380 --> 00:56:41,300
If you want me to die, I'm happy to come here monthly to speak to that.

640
00:56:41,540 --> 00:56:45,180
If you just would like a written report, I'm happy to do that as well.

641
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:50,520
But I guess my point is in seven years have you ever reported out.

642
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,980
And it particularly things that relate to Clayton,

643
00:56:54,340 --> 00:56:57,200
like we have Measure J funding also, right?

644
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:57,640
Yes.

645
00:56:58,140 --> 00:57:00,040
So I have sent emails to the city.

646
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,700
We have $292,000 from the price.

647
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,260
And I sent that email, I think, even to the council.

648
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:07,640
No, actually, I called that one in.

649
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,260
I phoned in on that one.

650
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:13,860
We have $292,000 awaiting us from the last cycle.

651
00:57:14,460 --> 00:57:16,980
And we are entering the next cycle.

652
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,980
And Chris and I actually interacted.

653
00:57:19,980 --> 00:57:27,540
I've sent emails and stuff saying that I've identified an individual within the CCTA that

654
00:57:27,540 --> 00:57:28,340
they can talk to.

655
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:33,860
They'd kind of like to have us back to back up, like, in other words, since we're kind

656
00:57:33,860 --> 00:57:40,580
of sitting on the border between them, why not present the last two years and the two years

657
00:57:40,580 --> 00:57:46,260
immediate behind that so that we can get, is about $600,000 in Bezer J funds?

658
00:57:47,140 --> 00:57:57,900
and do we know that information already as a city we do? Okay, thank you. Yeah, so, but you know what, I want to, I want to honor the spirit of what you just said.

659
00:57:58,420 --> 00:58:14,920
You're absolutely right. We need to have more interactivity in this and I'm open to any ideas. I'm suggesting that a report out in the council reports might work for you, but if it doesn't,

660
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:20,820
I'm absolutely open to any and all, you know, coming here, speaking, answering questions, whatever.

661
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:28,040
There have been some things that are very exciting that, you know, like this, you know, this thing in San Ramon has been a big deal.

662
00:58:28,780 --> 00:58:37,140
But there have also been some times when, for example, there were, there was an announcement of there was an emerging project coming over the hill

663
00:58:37,140 --> 00:58:40,300
where they were going to create a bypassed,

664
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:43,000
past Buchanan, off to the side of the site.

665
00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:45,080
Now, I'll tell you that project, unfortunately,

666
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:50,500
has been canceled for the meantime for lack of funding.

667
00:58:51,180 --> 00:58:53,280
But those are things that are on the horizon

668
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,140
that potentially could have impacts for our residents

669
00:58:57,140 --> 00:59:01,340
and would love to send stuff in.

670
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,480
And if you guys say, this actually looks interesting.

671
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,360
So when we actually have them come in in this month and answer a few questions about that,

672
00:59:09,580 --> 00:59:10,340
we'll be happy to.

673
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:15,040
And I guess my last thing are you voting on things on behalf of the city of Clayton?

674
00:59:15,540 --> 00:59:19,540
As I said, and I don't want to belittle the role too much.

675
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,180
It is pretty perfunctory.

676
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:28,020
I've never attended a meeting in which there was a nay vote to disperse the funds.

677
00:59:28,300 --> 00:59:31,740
But that is the vote that we vote on.

678
00:59:31,740 --> 00:59:44,880
It is not, for example, the body which would vote on something to approve or not approve an actual CCTA project, that is the parent board.

679
00:59:45,220 --> 00:59:49,900
The CAC just reviews the Measure J funding applications.

680
00:59:51,060 --> 00:59:51,860
Okay, thank you.

681
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:53,520
So I'm curious.

682
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,880
Like for the voting aspect, that's interesting.

683
00:59:58,920 --> 00:59:59,980
Is it?

684
01:00:00,740 --> 01:00:06,880
Recommendation, like an advisory capacity, or is it actually a controlling authority voting?

685
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:08,900
Do we know? I don't know.

686
01:00:09,380 --> 01:00:18,720
I actually don't know the answers of that. I have to guess that it's a recommendation to the CCTA board as proper.

687
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,220
Because I mean, it's labeled as an advisory committee.

688
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:22,040
I'm just going to...

689
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,360
No, I agree with you.

690
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:29,980
I think it is. A vote is taken, but it is...

691
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:37,840
It absolutely probably is an advisory opinion based on review of the material in the application packet.

692
01:00:38,300 --> 01:00:43,000
And of course, we're not the only people who look at them the staff also review the packet as well.

693
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,000
Because we have a representative to CCTA, right?

694
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:47,000
I mean, that's...

695
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:47,560
I don't know.

696
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,740
But that's another just the layer above is.

697
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:57,040
It goes to the main company, the main body, CCTA.

698
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:58,620
They make the final decision.

699
01:00:58,620 --> 01:01:07,880
we could only advise, and I only represent Clayton and there's conquered and Martina's

700
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,120
pleasant hill along the creek, just those two cities.

701
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:17,600
But like they interact with SWAT and some of these others in the West, the West Pachia West

702
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:17,880
track.

703
01:01:18,060 --> 01:01:19,280
Did you look it up?

704
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:27,800
It's a recommendation and then on the backside it's the oversight piece, much like TLC would

705
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:33,740
for the financials, so reviewing Measure J funds and how they were expanded to approve that

706
01:01:33,740 --> 01:01:39,960
they were spent crackly. Who's role is it to bring forward the application to receive

707
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:47,360
Measure J funds for the city? City engineer. Okay. Are we behind? Well, if I could feed to that,

708
01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:53,820
I see a combination of different, you're right. Sometimes the city engineer, but I generally have seen

709
01:01:53,820 --> 01:02:01,320
And in the past, a cohort of two people that will come, one will often be the city planner.

710
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,040
Well, I meant like this in our city.

711
01:02:03,460 --> 01:02:06,980
Like in our city, we have to have someone that's designated so that's why I'm.

712
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,360
I'm thinking it would be the engineer, yeah.

713
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:13,680
Are we behind?

714
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:16,420
A little bit.

715
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:16,580
A little bit.

716
01:02:16,580 --> 01:02:17,680
But we can catch up.

717
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:24,920
I mean, city of Maraghan and not La Marenda, sorry, it just rolls off the tongue, right?

718
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:30,760
Maraghan and Marenda were the last two other cities to report, so we'll be the last, but that's okay.

719
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:37,060
That's not a criticism at all, but we have an opportunity to pick up some money.

720
01:02:37,820 --> 01:02:44,280
So 292 for the previous cycle, and I'm going to guess over 300,000 for the current cycle.

721
01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:47,540
Is that there a budget?

722
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,680
It'd be nice that it was $600,000 laying around.

723
01:02:53,060 --> 01:02:54,840
What's in our budget currently?

724
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,080
Actually, I'll let you all with your all the questions.

725
01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:58,840
Sure.

726
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:00,900
We're off off the top side.

727
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:06,860
Yeah. So I will throw that question and turn it over to my colleague.

728
01:03:07,060 --> 01:03:07,300
Yeah.

729
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,480
First of all, let me compliment you.

730
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:10,820
Add on your application.

731
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:12,000
It's tight.

732
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,980
I've been honest with you that the ones that we get that aren't tight

733
01:03:15,980 --> 01:03:20,380
difficult to read, and I really appreciate it, but I have an issue with

734
01:03:20,380 --> 01:03:24,300
Charlotte, just like Council Member Chilman, I'm not telling the truth.

735
01:03:24,580 --> 01:03:27,880
I don't mean to. We are waiting for a report.

736
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:32,540
And we have not had one. Now, another thing I talked about with the city manager

737
01:03:32,540 --> 01:03:39,420
today, I look at the list of the open committees, one that's absolutely close to

738
01:03:39,420 --> 01:03:45,440
home is missing, and that's the three C today, the bus, and you'll see in my

739
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:52,380
report, we appointed somebody in Concord, and it's close to home, and we have, the Clayton

740
01:03:52,380 --> 01:03:58,340
Board has been vacant for probably six plus years. And they really have an impact because

741
01:03:58,340 --> 01:04:04,300
they report directly to the board, which I said on, and we take their recommendations very

742
01:04:04,300 --> 01:04:09,360
seriously, and there are a number of things that we're working on here in Clayton, particularly

743
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:16,200
as it relates to bus service that can vet that committee, the CCCC, CCCC, as it direct

744
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:23,820
impact. And it's missing from the list. And so I know Chris is going to add it to it.

745
01:04:24,060 --> 01:04:31,300
But seven years we've had nobody there. So, CCCC, CTA. Yeah. Central,

746
01:04:31,300 --> 01:04:37,000
Contra Costa County transit authority yeah, and you'll look at my report

747
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:43,260
We just appointed a new member from Concord and the intern to be and they say where's the one from Clayton?

748
01:04:43,420 --> 01:04:49,080
And I don't know. Well now I figured out where it is because it's not on the list right right and

749
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:55,080
Anyway, it's easy to look at those two but and think one of the fair duplicates of each more importantly

750
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:59,980
That body has decisions and recommendations closer to home

751
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:09,600
And as opposed to the CCTA, which is more global, it's counted. I'm a little reluctant to move this forward

752
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:24,760
until we get more definition from the, from the incumbent and the applicants. So anyway, I think that'll be addressed in a future application when we get, you know, a person interested in doing things closer to home.

753
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:30,920
Yeah, because we are a transportation desert with respect to the, I mean, it's like, you know, once an hour.

754
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:43,380
Well, one thing that I think is apparent, there's like four governing bodies, three of which are represented already regarding transportation.

755
01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:46,680
And we have one bus route that comes through our city.

756
01:05:46,780 --> 01:05:49,380
I mean, I don't know if that's over, Kel.

757
01:05:49,380 --> 01:05:56,500
But I'm just saying, well, there's one open one, I guess, on the CCCTA,

758
01:05:56,500 --> 01:06:01,980
Jimson County Connection, Council Member Diaz, sorry, it's on County Connection,

759
01:06:02,340 --> 01:06:09,220
Vice Mayor, and he is on TransPAC, Ed's been sitting on CCTA Citizens Advisory Committee, I mean.

760
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:15,960
Honestly, Rich is, I'm sorry, Council Member Diaz, position is more impactful.

761
01:06:16,620 --> 01:06:23,100
Again, I don't want to belittle it is a fairly perfunctory role that is performed by this

762
01:06:23,100 --> 01:06:28,000
committee that I'm on as opposed to some of the actual planning technical planning that occurs

763
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,620
at that level.

764
01:06:29,900 --> 01:06:35,060
Those are like little, transparent in these others are like little mini and swatter, mini CCTAs

765
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:40,300
of their own with funding to allocate and projects to plan.

766
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:47,660
But I do think there is a missing piece here of there's there are interesting things

767
01:06:48,780 --> 01:06:54,500
a foot in the CCTA and that information is now flowing back to you from me and I would

768
01:06:54,500 --> 01:06:55,760
I would like for that to happen.

769
01:06:56,060 --> 01:06:58,580
Because we're not getting any reports exactly exactly, yeah.

770
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:03,720
You know I don't think that from the point at which I was appointed in 2019 it really there

771
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,760
was no structure laid out for that to happen.

772
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:11,160
I have come actually in the non-command agenda, on the non-agenda

773
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:18,220
comments section and made some reports in the sense of, hey, you've got $290,000, $2,000

774
01:07:18,220 --> 01:07:19,060
laying around.

775
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:23,740
So there've been kind of like some informal attempts to report, but there's never been

776
01:07:23,740 --> 01:07:29,320
like, there's never been a, a kinship going the two ways to kind of open the channel

777
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,960
and I would really, really like to fix that.

778
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:43,900
Yeah, did you have a comment, city attorney, I thought you and me have I thought we were getting a more off topic from the agenda item.

779
01:07:44,420 --> 01:07:44,460
So.

780
01:07:44,540 --> 01:07:45,340
That's our sorry.

781
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:52,840
I expect that you I think are coming back to the agenda item, which is whether to approve the reappointment or not.

782
01:07:52,860 --> 01:07:53,380
Give us time.

783
01:07:53,860 --> 01:07:54,660
We'll go and feel.

784
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:01,340
I was just, and it'll be reflected in my vote.

785
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:06,540
Since we don't have that other item on the agenda here for...

786
01:08:06,540 --> 01:08:10,820
I would see the incumbent apply for that position because it has more focus.

787
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:11,840
Thank you.

788
01:08:12,100 --> 01:08:12,680
All right.

789
01:08:18,110 --> 01:08:20,030
I'm going to make a motion to a point.

790
01:08:20,030 --> 01:08:21,430
We need to take public hold.

791
01:08:22,010 --> 01:08:23,610
Oh, I thought we did.

792
01:08:27,380 --> 01:08:33,020
And Councilmember Diaz, what more information did you say that you wanted?

793
01:08:33,380 --> 01:08:38,100
I'd like to see, as you pointed out, a report from this bottom.

794
01:08:41,020 --> 01:08:47,720
Okay, so since there's no official person in that role, a report would be...

795
01:08:49,610 --> 01:08:52,350
No official person in what position?

796
01:08:52,690 --> 01:08:53,570
This position.

797
01:08:55,330 --> 01:08:56,050
He's...

798
01:08:56,050 --> 01:08:58,450
Seven years, he's been...

799
01:08:58,450 --> 01:08:59,390
It is him.

800
01:08:59,390 --> 01:09:00,770
I understand

801
01:09:04,900 --> 01:09:08,160
other questions for Mr. Miller.

802
01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:16,020
Okay, public comment on item 8c, you're standing.

803
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,360
I'm assuming you want to make public comments.

804
01:09:22,510 --> 01:09:23,950
Hello there, Lauren Kimber.

805
01:09:26,290 --> 01:09:33,450
Two things is, I've come to most meetings, or I listen at home now.

806
01:09:34,330 --> 01:09:37,670
But I've never heard a report from the Council on Aging.

807
01:09:37,670 --> 01:09:44,070
do they come and give reports regularly and, you know, I've seen trails and landscape try to

808
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:51,930
report and be ignored. So, so I think unless there's a system in which it is set up that

809
01:09:51,930 --> 01:09:59,970
these people are coming, they're being invited, they're being included, and I have heard Mr. Miller.

810
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:07,600
Com, and report things, but there's no place formally for him to report it. I've heard him in public comment, report.

811
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:18,460
So, I think holding him to a standard that is not a standard, there's nothing available there.

812
01:10:18,460 --> 01:10:34,180
So that just seems very strange to me because, and I know there's other positions that there's nothing I've never heard from Austin refused shall we say.

813
01:10:34,180 --> 01:10:46,040
And, and the other thing with the CCCTA to mix this with that because, I mean, are we,

814
01:10:46,660 --> 01:10:52,320
because this is CCTA, so if there's another thing CCCTA and you want an advisor for that,

815
01:10:52,660 --> 01:10:56,480
it sort of has nothing to do with what's happening right here tonight.

816
01:10:57,060 --> 01:11:02,720
So that's a bit confusing also, and I didn't plan to speak, and I didn't think this would

817
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:10,940
anything to thought think about, but I hope that's all making sense to you.

818
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:12,360
Thank you.

819
01:11:12,620 --> 01:11:13,480
Thank you.

820
01:11:14,060 --> 01:11:15,440
Any other public comment?

821
01:11:17,340 --> 01:11:20,200
Seeing none, I will close public comment and bring it back.

822
01:11:20,900 --> 01:11:23,000
Any other comments from Council?

823
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:40,820
Is there a possibility of excluding this application to put a reporting system in place for everyone that represents us out in the beyond our own council reports?

824
01:11:41,940 --> 01:11:48,000
Yeah, that can be a policy decision by the council to say we would like quarterly reports monthly, whatever you would like.

825
01:11:48,000 --> 01:12:00,960
And then it would be the clerk's responsibility to work with each one of those individuals to remind them to get their reports and ahead of time and then if you want it verbally, if you want it, written whatever the will of the council as we can make that happen.

826
01:12:01,660 --> 01:12:03,060
Okay. And that would be a future agenda.

827
01:12:03,060 --> 01:12:05,280
I'm sure it tends to wait and correct for us.

828
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:07,080
And a question on you.

829
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:08,540
Do I tell you it's just give us time?

830
01:12:09,180 --> 01:12:11,040
Do we know how often the body meets?

831
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,360
Because I know like the triple C meets quarterly.

832
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:16,260
Monthly.

833
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:23,260
And if you, even in the absence of a official appointment, have you continued with your attendance

834
01:12:23,260 --> 01:12:24,380
on the monthly basis?

835
01:12:24,660 --> 01:12:24,860
Yes.

836
01:12:25,020 --> 01:12:30,600
Clayton's, aside from the fact that there is not an official appointee, Clayton's could

837
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:35,420
consider to be in good standing because we've had someone in good attendance for the entire

838
01:12:35,420 --> 01:12:35,760
period.

839
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:41,740
I'm not sure, when did I actually, I'm just asking, I think, when did I go off of the

840
01:12:41,740 --> 01:12:44,280
into the appointment and was it about six months ago?

841
01:12:44,500 --> 01:12:48,540
It was 2023, 20, 20, 23, 20, 23.

842
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:49,920
That's right.

843
01:12:51,060 --> 01:12:59,660
I looked on the website and every other municipality is current, and we are inspired for three

844
01:12:59,660 --> 01:13:00,300
years.

845
01:13:00,420 --> 01:13:03,600
We've got a chance to do in the right thing now.

846
01:13:03,700 --> 01:13:07,220
We're trying to fill in the gaps, but that doesn't make sense because I was appointed

847
01:13:07,220 --> 01:13:15,660
February of 2019 and so for your appointment, 23, 2023 does sound correct to me.

848
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,600
Is the appointment retroactive or is it for you from now?

849
01:13:22,650 --> 01:13:28,850
I mean they have to put something on the website so if you're interested and you've been attending

850
01:13:28,850 --> 01:13:35,410
the meetings this whole time, I think the report out is nice and we'll talk about that later.

851
01:13:35,410 --> 01:13:42,110
Yeah. Yeah. There's some really neat ideas that do come before us and I think it would be

852
01:13:42,110 --> 01:13:47,730
titillating for you to see some of the creative ways that other cities have tackled some

853
01:13:47,730 --> 01:13:52,030
problems that we have as well. Okay. Thank you very much.

854
01:13:53,650 --> 01:14:02,410
There are a motion on item. I'll make the motion to approve the reappointment of Edward L. Miller to

855
01:14:02,410 --> 01:14:08,710
serve on the CCTA, citizens advisory committee for four-year term.

856
01:14:09,070 --> 01:14:10,230
Sir, second.

857
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:14,740
I'll second.

858
01:14:15,780 --> 01:14:17,020
If we could call the roll.

859
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:18,500
I'll take roll.

860
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:20,260
Council member Tubman.

861
01:14:21,340 --> 01:14:23,440
I, and thank you for serving this whole time.

862
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:24,620
Council member Trippiano.

863
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:27,360
Council member Diaz.

864
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:32,060
As was stated before, I'm not stating from this till we correct all these problems.

865
01:14:34,100 --> 01:14:34,800
Vice Mayor Inia?

866
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:42,920
Yes, and Mayor One. I motion carries forward with one abstaining. Sorry for the turn on.

867
01:14:43,140 --> 01:14:58,240
I want the motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. All right. That concludes item eight C item eight D is a review of the 26 budget status. Consider approval of the 27 budget revisions and reserve options.

868
01:15:00,460 --> 01:15:03,960
I believe. Someone in that area.

869
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:07,610
It'll be me.

870
01:15:09,860 --> 01:15:16,240
All right. So, overview. This will be to provide that update on 26 year

871
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:25,200
to date and in our year-end projection and bring back the updated budget revisions that were provided

872
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:30,840
as direction from the council at the last meeting. And at the end, the recommended actions

873
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:37,020
will be to just have reviewed those, provide feedback to staff, and then if it's the Council's

874
01:15:37,020 --> 01:15:43,280
desire to approve the budget revisions, including those April 7th Council augmentations.

875
01:15:44,940 --> 01:15:46,380
So, to talk about 26,

876
01:15:48,940 --> 01:15:52,720
I'm going to just talk about the number at the bottom right

877
01:15:52,720 --> 01:16:02,120
quarter to start. One of the things that we put off in the discussion last time was this year and

878
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:09,280
projection. I wanted to make sure the calculations were accurate and they did change from the

879
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:16,420
darkened packet at the last meeting. But I feel now very confident about the changes in revenue

880
01:16:16,420 --> 01:16:26,720
as well as the efforts that we've made on operations to try to bring that budget closer to being in balance.

881
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:46,590
But just to walk through that, just to note that the adopted budget and the adjusted budget had modest amounts of reserve funding requirements in them.

882
01:16:46,590 --> 01:16:59,050
One of the things that's noticeable even in the year to date figures, but also prominently is the $500,000 in missing revenue.

883
01:16:59,670 --> 01:17:04,310
And we could talk a little bit more about where that money comes from, what that is.

884
01:17:04,970 --> 01:17:14,370
But I think it's also important to note that what the city has done in terms of on salaries and benefits and services and supplies

885
01:17:14,370 --> 01:17:18,570
to try to reduce some of those costs from the budget.

886
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:23,190
And that if it frankly, if it wasn't for the revenue losses,

887
01:17:24,270 --> 01:17:30,170
we would be at about a $90,000 difference from the adjusted budget

888
01:17:30,170 --> 01:17:36,070
that was adopted by this council back in the late fall of last year.

889
01:17:36,650 --> 01:17:40,370
So let me just talk a little bit more about what those deltas are,

890
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:41,910
what those variances are.

891
01:17:42,990 --> 01:18:10,930
And we've talked about this before, but we knew that with the end of this assessor agency that the RPTTF which was money that has been collected held by the county and then distributed on a regular basis since 2012 with the initiation of the successor agencies to the former RDAs, that with the closure of that of the local successor agency, that money would be reduced to a no longer be available.

892
01:18:10,930 --> 01:18:20,790
from the county, and so while we had, you know, budgeted $4.95 in revenue from the county for that,

893
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:31,070
we received the $3.20, and so that is a reduction of $175,000 in tax revenue or part of me.

894
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:40,910
In the tax increment that was going to support the administrative efforts of the

895
01:18:40,910 --> 01:18:49,250
So we've identified a $35,000 loss and water well revenue that we had previously been selling

896
01:18:49,250 --> 01:18:52,290
to a large water user here in the community.

897
01:18:53,650 --> 01:19:00,910
And then the other loss and revenue to the general fund was the ending of the fiduciary

898
01:19:00,910 --> 01:19:03,930
fund transfers for the successor agency.

899
01:19:03,930 --> 01:19:08,450
the street light fund as well as the stormwater assessment fund.

900
01:19:09,490 --> 01:19:14,270
On the successor agency it's related to what I previously discussed about the end of the

901
01:19:14,270 --> 01:19:19,010
successor agency really ends the fiduciary responsibility that the city would have had

902
01:19:19,010 --> 01:19:22,430
for managing the affairs of that successor agency.

903
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:28,350
And so without that would zero out that transfer going in the current year.

904
01:19:28,350 --> 01:19:35,330
And then, in addition to that, we made an administrative decision because the street lights

905
01:19:35,330 --> 01:19:38,750
fund and the stormwater fund have negative balances.

906
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:47,110
It didn't make any sense to continue to build them for those fiduciary fund services, and

907
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:51,630
further dig a hole for those two particular funds.

908
01:19:52,170 --> 01:19:58,210
Ultimately, if the assessments don't change in either one of those funds, there will be

909
01:19:58,210 --> 01:19:59,970
need to augment those and...

910
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:06,540
And probably one of the few sources of revenue to continue the maintenance and operation of those

911
01:20:06,540 --> 01:20:13,960
particular funds would be the city's general fund, and it didn't quite make sense to myself

912
01:20:14,670 --> 01:20:22,720
to continue to dig a deeper hole for those two funds that eventually the city's general fund might

913
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:24,240
be responsible for backfilling.

914
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,280
Can I interrupt you first again?

915
01:20:30,260 --> 01:20:31,280
I don't think that's the right account.

916
01:20:32,740 --> 01:20:33,480
Like, okay.

917
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,700
The fiduciary funds incur a charge,

918
01:20:38,060 --> 01:20:40,820
and they should, they should,

919
01:20:42,020 --> 01:20:43,140
that charge should be recognized,

920
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,900
and then entry made to attribute revenue to the general fund,

921
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,280
because they should pay for those services that they're receiving.

922
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:50,760
They will be indefinite,

923
01:20:51,460 --> 01:20:54,400
but that's an accurate reflection of the fund

924
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,720
and those activities within the fund.

925
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:03,660
That we may later then need to supplement the fund with a general fund transfer.

926
01:21:05,260 --> 01:21:06,880
That's besides the point, I think.

927
01:21:07,020 --> 01:21:08,480
I mean, if we have to do that, we have to do that.

928
01:21:09,260 --> 01:21:17,920
But if we record the revenue to the general fund and the charge to the Fedutri fund,

929
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:23,120
it will more accurately represent the true nature of those funds.

930
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:30,260
And I don't think avoiding the appearance of a deficit in one and the other is a reason not to make the entry that we would normally make,

931
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,980
because the appropriateness of the entry is, exists regardless of the status of the fund balance.

932
01:21:35,820 --> 01:21:41,520
And then, grossing up the transaction is a true representation of the activity.

933
01:21:42,460 --> 01:21:45,020
So, okay, I don't think we should net it.

934
01:21:45,020 --> 01:21:50,400
Okay, but that will cause a 60, roughly a $60,000 change.

935
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:55,180
I would just say, I'm not a governmental accountant,

936
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:57,680
so you should probably validate that,

937
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,860
but that's how I think it should be treated.

938
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,060
Okay, in my personal opinion.

939
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:03,620
Appreciate that, okay.

940
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,380
Wait, we can go back and look at that.

941
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,340
You would have a net positive impact

942
01:22:08,340 --> 01:22:12,920
to revenue of a additional $60,000 coming back

943
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,480
for those two that were running negative.

944
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,060
The successor agency is the balance of that.

945
01:22:18,540 --> 01:22:18,840
That's different.

946
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:19,100
That's different.

947
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:21,660
The successor agency is the activities not happening.

948
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,160
So therefore, we don't charge that.

949
01:22:24,340 --> 01:22:24,700
Correct.

950
01:22:26,620 --> 01:22:29,020
So can I on that on the successor agency?

951
01:22:30,220 --> 01:22:31,760
So 495 versus 320.

952
01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:36,860
We knew the successor agency activity was ending.

953
01:22:37,900 --> 01:22:40,680
Is 495 a reduction from the prior year?

954
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,200
It was efficient.

955
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:43,100
Yeah.

956
01:22:43,660 --> 01:22:50,960
A marijuana was 600,000 the previous year, so in 25, it was roughly 600,000.

957
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,540
So how did we come to the haircut?

958
01:22:55,840 --> 01:23:03,540
Well, we had to take a kind of a swag at when it was actually going to end.

959
01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:27,120
And the other challenge with our PTTF is it's not a set amount, it varied each year and the county doesn't give you those numbers, frankly until December what those numbers are and so that's the challenge is a timing on when those numbers come out from the county because they are different every single year.

960
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:32,660
OK, so then it's 495 to 320 for FY26.

961
01:23:33,620 --> 01:23:34,820
All the activities concluded.

962
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:36,680
Do you expect zero in 27?

963
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:41,880
We expect zero and we have budgeted zero in the revised budget for 27.

964
01:23:42,020 --> 01:23:45,020
In the revised budget, the budget we adopted originally for 27.

965
01:23:45,380 --> 01:23:48,800
The original budget had a dollar amount,

966
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,400
because we would have known at that time

967
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:03,640
when preparing the FY27 budget that FY26 would be the final year.

968
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:07,400
Isn't it like 515, we were estimating?

969
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:13,900
Actually, we had originally in the adopted 27 budget.

970
01:24:14,580 --> 01:24:17,120
We had 215.

971
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:19,380
215.

972
01:24:20,260 --> 01:24:28,300
So when we made adjustments to 27 prior, did that incorporate the 215 reduction?

973
01:24:28,460 --> 01:24:30,880
This is the first adjustments we're making to 27.

974
01:24:31,180 --> 01:24:33,440
So is that included in here in the last few slides?

975
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:36,480
So that's completely zero doubt, okay.

976
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:38,540
All right, that's the extent of my interruptions

977
01:24:38,540 --> 01:24:39,480
on this one item.

978
01:24:41,820 --> 01:24:42,140
Let's see.

979
01:24:42,780 --> 01:24:47,920
Okay, so on the other side of the transactions

980
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:49,800
looking at our expenditure budget,

981
01:24:51,060 --> 01:24:55,860
we have really been impacted by over time

982
01:24:55,860 --> 01:24:59,980
in the police department to the tune of an additional $109.

983
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:05,000
We had nine thousand dollars that we had not budgeted in twenty-six.

984
01:25:05,820 --> 01:25:08,880
If I could just ask one quick question on your microphone.

985
01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:10,140
It is.

986
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:10,800
It's on.

987
01:25:11,020 --> 01:25:11,880
Oh, I don't know.

988
01:25:13,980 --> 01:25:18,360
Just two weeks ago, I believe that number was 80,000.

989
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,840
So what happened two weeks later?

990
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:23,760
It's now a hundred and ninety-nine.

991
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:28,040
Well, a couple things, and one, we began to see this trend.

992
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,620
So over time in the police department had been running

993
01:25:30,620 --> 01:25:33,320
about $7,000 a pay period.

994
01:25:33,740 --> 01:25:35,380
Pretty much throughout the year.

995
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:39,040
Pardon me?

996
01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:43,120
Over $7,000 over $7,000.

997
01:25:43,500 --> 01:25:43,940
$7,000.

998
01:25:43,940 --> 01:25:45,620
$7,000.

999
01:25:45,620 --> 01:25:46,040
$7,000.

1000
01:25:46,460 --> 01:25:54,460
With the, we've had some people out on leave, it began to climb.

1001
01:25:55,240 --> 01:26:09,260
We, and so that's why we thought it was going to be like 80, and then the other piece that started happening was the field training officer and the inability of the new officers that we've sworn in tonight.

1002
01:26:11,060 --> 01:26:19,320
Those can't take full patrol, so they had to backfill those and use overtime officers in order to backfill those.

1003
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:24,120
So, and the training officers were also on over time to be able to do the field training.

1004
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:31,920
So we went from $7,000 a pay period to $22,000 a pay period in over time.

1005
01:26:35,310 --> 01:26:41,950
And we did not estimate and you're not knowing that we had new recruits.

1006
01:26:42,010 --> 01:26:42,510
We did not.

1007
01:26:42,690 --> 01:26:42,850
We did not.

1008
01:26:42,850 --> 01:26:43,430
Coming on board.

1009
01:26:44,270 --> 01:26:48,310
I was just surprised that it changed so dramatically in two weeks.

1010
01:26:48,610 --> 01:26:48,830
Yeah.

1011
01:26:48,830 --> 01:26:50,790
the day to $199.

1012
01:26:50,930 --> 01:26:56,750
If you run it at $7 to $22 per paper, it's significant, but I think the point that you're

1013
01:26:56,750 --> 01:27:03,050
raising is that we had a checkpoint at the last, I mean, and that was through, that was supposed

1014
01:27:03,050 --> 01:27:11,510
to be through March. So we were in to go double. We missed it earlier, because we brought, I mean,

1015
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:21,730
when the first new officer started back in January, January, January, we should have seen it

1016
01:27:21,730 --> 01:27:26,190
begin to spot it then, because a lot of those impacts, it's now doubled and then with the

1017
01:27:26,190 --> 01:27:28,530
injuries on top of that, it's really accelerated.

1018
01:27:30,050 --> 01:27:35,730
And also, when you have officers leave, that's automatic over time to cover those shifts.

1019
01:27:35,730 --> 01:27:37,530
while the ones completely vacant.

1020
01:27:37,850 --> 01:27:41,830
Yes, pay to fortune for that, because you can't anticipate that.

1021
01:27:41,970 --> 01:27:44,130
And it happens all the time, and can't.

1022
01:27:44,150 --> 01:27:49,010
It's hard to anticipate and over time budget for the police in the city.

1023
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:54,390
So I could understand that almost $200,000.

1024
01:27:54,610 --> 01:27:58,550
He was one third of your patrol ship, people.

1025
01:28:00,390 --> 01:28:01,510
So I understand that.

1026
01:28:01,510 --> 01:28:10,610
So I just want to, for clarity, and my mind, the payroll is now around 22,000 a pay

1027
01:28:10,610 --> 01:28:11,190
period.

1028
01:28:11,250 --> 01:28:11,750
Over time.

1029
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:12,610
Over time, charge.

1030
01:28:12,690 --> 01:28:14,110
Oh, and just in overtime.

1031
01:28:14,250 --> 01:28:14,710
Yes.

1032
01:28:14,930 --> 01:28:21,050
I mean, our payroll for police department is, since I've led more than 22,000.

1033
01:28:21,310 --> 01:28:29,470
Because the 199, little 22 divided by 199, that's a lot more months than since January,

1034
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:31,270
It's five p.m. for his paper.

1035
01:28:32,710 --> 01:28:35,050
It's going all the way till June 30th.

1036
01:28:35,710 --> 01:28:36,290
That's first of all.

1037
01:28:36,510 --> 01:28:40,890
So this is projecting out another two and a half months.

1038
01:28:42,370 --> 01:28:43,950
And so it's taking in all that.

1039
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:47,670
And we've gone and done the calculations based on these additional expenses.

1040
01:28:48,090 --> 01:28:49,910
All the way through June 30th.

1041
01:28:50,770 --> 01:28:53,950
And this is where you get to on June 30th.

1042
01:28:53,970 --> 01:28:54,990
Not to today.

1043
01:28:55,050 --> 01:28:56,590
Yeah, these numbers aren't year to date.

1044
01:28:56,630 --> 01:28:57,790
These are forecast.

1045
01:28:58,010 --> 01:28:58,910
Got it.

1046
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:08,480
So I guess, yeah, I mean, if we need to do overtime, we need to do overtime, so this kind of

1047
01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:09,000
how it goes.

1048
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:16,740
But the only thing I would say then is if the ramp up started in January for a very time frame,

1049
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,000
we had a button on a community meeting in March.

1050
01:29:21,420 --> 01:29:23,400
There's many opportunities for checking that at that point.

1051
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:32,520
I would think seeing the variance as it comes through and advising more timely.

1052
01:29:34,260 --> 01:29:36,520
would be preferable, agreed.

1053
01:29:38,100 --> 01:29:41,760
So, it would, because when we met in March at the budget audit,

1054
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:43,420
we were given a different impression.

1055
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:49,300
And so, I think the fact pattern was available at that point,

1056
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:50,960
but it wasn't known to us.

1057
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:57,120
So, that piece, we should get more rapid feedback that this is happening.

1058
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:59,380
It will not get past me again.

1059
01:29:59,380 --> 01:29:59,980
Okay, thank you.

1060
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,080
Thank you. May I ask a clarifying question?

1061
01:30:03,460 --> 01:30:03,920
Excuse me.

1062
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:04,660
Go ahead.

1063
01:30:05,340 --> 01:30:13,520
So it went from 7,000 per pay period, and is rose, is risen to 22,000 per pay period?

1064
01:30:13,540 --> 01:30:14,840
For just the over time.

1065
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:15,980
Just the over time.

1066
01:30:16,780 --> 01:30:20,340
And is that consistently doing that now?

1067
01:30:20,440 --> 01:30:20,820
Correct.

1068
01:30:21,780 --> 01:30:28,060
And especially now, we're adding the second officer and the training component to that,

1069
01:30:28,060 --> 01:30:30,620
because the trainers are coming on.

1070
01:30:30,620 --> 01:30:31,140
I understand.

1071
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:33,940
OK, thank you.

1072
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:36,920
So Dennis, here's the question I have.

1073
01:30:37,140 --> 01:30:40,540
And I've been kind of ruminating on this all day today.

1074
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:49,140
I feel like in June, we approved a two-year budget

1075
01:30:49,140 --> 01:30:54,740
where we were looking at $130,000 deficit, right?

1076
01:30:54,740 --> 01:31:01,000
for you for your one for twenty twenty six yes and I'm just talking about twenty twenty

1077
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:08,920
twenty six yes I know we didn't get to twenty twenty seven yet and then I'm pretty sure in

1078
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:14,880
our November budget not a committee meeting you and Jennifer came to us and then we came to

1079
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:22,680
the council with a number of pages and pages of adjustments that I thought brought us back

1080
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,840
to like kind of a zero, right?

1081
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:26,700
Pretty close, yes.

1082
01:31:27,020 --> 01:31:30,020
And then on March 5th, so that was November.

1083
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:36,160
March 5th, we were looking at a $410,000 dollar,

1084
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:36,920
that I said.

1085
01:31:37,620 --> 01:31:41,840
And now it's April 21st, and we're looking at an $800,000,

1086
01:31:42,340 --> 01:31:43,940
just like $430.

1087
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:46,640
And it was suddenly starting to feel like, yeah.

1088
01:31:47,440 --> 01:31:49,660
I don't even know if I believe the numbers like,

1089
01:31:49,660 --> 01:31:49,760
Okay.

1090
01:31:50,180 --> 01:32:01,000
Can you just explain what happened from June to now, and maybe it is these things, but

1091
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:04,200
it just seems like it is these things.

1092
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:10,420
And November, we were like, it is, we're not, I thought we were reading a lot of adjustments.

1093
01:32:10,860 --> 01:32:11,300
We did.

1094
01:32:11,620 --> 01:32:11,960
We did.

1095
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:13,120
We did.

1096
01:32:13,780 --> 01:32:14,780
Do I meditate?

1097
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:16,600
Yes.

1098
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:17,760
So in response,

1099
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:26,540
losing $500,000 in revenue is impactful.

1100
01:32:27,140 --> 01:32:31,780
It's 8% of our total revenue in the city.

1101
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:38,020
That's the big story here.

1102
01:32:38,740 --> 01:32:44,900
On the rest of the side of the budget, on the expenditure side of the budget, we're basically

1103
01:32:44,900 --> 01:32:53,540
even with those adjustments that you made, we're $90,000 difference on net for the expenditure

1104
01:32:53,540 --> 01:32:54,140
side.

1105
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:58,160
That's, that's what's happened.

1106
01:33:04,990 --> 01:33:08,250
It just seems like a big difference and what we were

1107
01:33:08,250 --> 01:33:16,550
just even talking about in March. It is, it is a big difference. I get it. And then I also

1108
01:33:16,550 --> 01:33:23,190
thought too that there were some, I think Jennifer called them, Easter eggs, some things

1109
01:33:23,190 --> 01:33:30,110
that she found that maybe worked in our favor. There was something about one of the funds

1110
01:33:30,110 --> 01:33:39,230
was Diablo View Middle School. I thought I really thought that we were in a much better position

1111
01:33:39,230 --> 01:33:42,370
than an $800,000 deficit.

1112
01:33:43,550 --> 01:33:44,290
We are not.

1113
01:33:45,910 --> 01:33:50,430
Diablo view middle school is not going to help the general fund.

1114
01:33:51,670 --> 01:33:52,930
That wasn't its purpose.

1115
01:33:53,890 --> 01:33:53,990
Right?

1116
01:33:54,310 --> 01:33:55,930
I mean, there was a negligible amount.

1117
01:33:56,110 --> 01:33:56,650
We closed it out.

1118
01:33:56,830 --> 01:34:05,370
I think it was $45,000, but on 5.8 million, that's not a lot of an Easter egg to be honest.

1119
01:34:08,380 --> 01:34:23,920
The loss in revenue this year is consequential, it's not cataclysmic, it's not the end of the world, it's not the sky is falling, but it's indicative of what the challenge that the city has had for a long, long time.

1120
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:37,700
We've spent many months from August until December talking through and seeing what this has been happening in slow motion.

1121
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:40,720
This is just another example of it.

1122
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:51,400
I would have to believe, I wasn't here, but I would have to believe previous councils have had to deal with this and address parts of this thing for a long time.

1123
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:59,960
because this this this this is cyclical and it happens the good news and I just want to come back to the good

1124
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:12,140
News is, it's done and it's over in the sense that these were $60,000, $65,000, notwithstanding on the

1125
01:35:12,140 --> 01:35:19,840
fiduciary fund change. These are things that, you know, we've checked a box and we're moving on and

1126
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:29,100
we, there's nothing we can do about it. Especially in terms of let's say the success or agency funding to the general fund.

1127
01:35:29,100 --> 01:35:36,360
the good news is, or managing our costs, that's the key piece in this, and we're going to

1128
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:44,040
have to have cost discipline going forward while we work through this, and I will say,

1129
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:51,400
from my past experience, that's going to be a real challenge going forward with the way

1130
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:58,100
the economy is running right now. Our labor costs for those contractors that are out there,

1131
01:35:58,100 --> 01:36:03,980
bus and their butts to get rid of as many weeds as they can, those labor costs are going

1132
01:36:03,980 --> 01:36:04,280
up.

1133
01:36:04,340 --> 01:36:05,580
Their fuel costs are going up.

1134
01:36:05,620 --> 01:36:13,940
Those contract costs are going to go up significantly when we can now cheaper higher

1135
01:36:13,940 --> 01:36:20,140
a seasonal worker to clean our buildings than it was to subsidize or to pay for some

1136
01:36:20,140 --> 01:36:21,300
of the service contracts.

1137
01:36:22,020 --> 01:36:27,220
That's an indicator for this council, for this community, that we can't contract our way

1138
01:36:27,220 --> 01:36:32,900
of this and we're going to have to have continued discipline on the expenditure side and we're

1139
01:36:32,900 --> 01:36:39,400
going to have them or revenue. And I know we're talking about that later. But I just think that's

1140
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:45,740
that's just trying to tell some truth here. I think one of the things to keep in mind is revenue

1141
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:53,720
for us in a lot of ways is uncontrollable. We have no control over the sales tax, the property tax.

1142
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:59,380
What comes in? What is what when things get cut from us? We can't stop that. We can't prevent it.

1143
01:36:59,620 --> 01:37:07,740
What we wish we had known was we knew this at the beginning of the year. So this was more of a static number versus kind of the explosion.

1144
01:37:08,900 --> 01:37:18,560
But to Dennis' point, with the expense side, which we do control, were off by $90,000, but what?

1145
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,140
Can we go back to the slide prior?

1146
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:23,820
Sorry, interrupt, I just had a.

1147
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:33,660
So you're talking 90, and you're comparing 6528999

1148
01:37:33,660 --> 01:37:36,980
to 6439069, that's like 809000.

1149
01:37:37,540 --> 01:37:40,300
Again, you're looking at the end of the year numbers here.

1150
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:41,980
No, I'm looking at the adjusted, right?

1151
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:42,880
Adjusted.

1152
01:37:43,740 --> 01:37:46,700
6528999, end of year to 6439069,

1153
01:37:47,500 --> 01:37:49,720
that's the, that's the comparison that you get to nine, right?

1154
01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:50,740
Yes.

1155
01:37:50,740 --> 01:37:57,820
Okay, so 643969 doesn't foot from 4301, 3801, 1907504.

1156
01:37:58,420 --> 01:38:01,700
That number is actually 6.2 something.

1157
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:05,540
So the 90 is actually 320.

1158
01:38:07,660 --> 01:38:11,980
Can I provide an alternative way of looking at it rather than looking at this all rolled up?

1159
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:15,140
Because you got a bunch of netting that you're not taking to the consideration.

1160
01:38:15,140 --> 01:38:24,840
But when I look at the three big things that I've mentioned on overtime, gas and electricity, and water service bills,

1161
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:30,240
those told about 3-11, 3-11-775, to be precise.

1162
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:36,300
And when I look at the savings that I listed on this slide,

1163
01:38:36,300 --> 01:38:44,340
netting with some of our increased in our under budgeting in in the services that was

1164
01:38:44,340 --> 01:38:54,240
220,000 or 27,000, yeah, this is an additional cost savings, yeah. So that's where the

1165
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:59,680
90, 90,000 comes. All right, I get it. So this explains 90. But when you look at the slide

1166
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:06,000
prior, there is something else because what represents in that second bullet is services and

1167
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:12,480
supplies and solders and benefits. It's not revenue. But here, the 4301 and the 10907,

1168
01:39:13,940 --> 01:39:19,200
wait, this is the wrong side. I'm sorry, no, I gotta go back to the wrong side. Sorry, sorry.

1169
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:26,820
That number doesn't fit to 6439. And you could do the math in your head, but that's 6.2.

1170
01:39:29,540 --> 01:39:31,420
six five two eight

1171
01:39:48,860 --> 01:39:53,480
or a hand hand entering and there's something off yeah I don't

1172
01:39:53,480 --> 01:39:58,660
know what that now I see what you're saying thank you I know and actually in the

1173
01:39:58,660 --> 01:39:59,980
to the left, the left, the left, the left, the left.

1174
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:07,120
16th adopted, it doesn't fit either, but to a smaller degree. So some things are. Okay. So I don't know if that affects

1175
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:16,000
the narrative on the 90. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Because the 90 is explained in the next slide. But I think there's an additional

1176
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:23,080
210 somewhere. Yeah. Unless this number is not the right number. I don't know. I think I think there's something,

1177
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:31,000
I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I will tell you, it's the

1178
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:37,380
to 30 below. So you see the 230, so if you add the 230, now what's the 230 you're

1179
01:40:37,380 --> 01:40:37,920
going to ask?

1180
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:39,980
No, the 230 represents the 230.

1181
01:40:39,980 --> 01:40:40,400
The 230.

1182
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:52,880
So then I think, well, I don't want to speak for you, I think what you're trying to say is if

1183
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:59,000
you exclude the 230 that we already knew, then the difference between the adjusted and the

1184
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:02,960
and WR projection is only an additional 90, 90.

1185
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:05,160
Because we had already done 230.

1186
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:07,180
Is that what we're trying to say?

1187
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:07,960
That's correct.

1188
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:10,880
And the 230 is the feast contract

1189
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:12,820
and the civic plus contract.

1190
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:16,540
So, okay, that's fine.

1191
01:41:17,500 --> 01:41:19,400
But it would be much more clearly presented

1192
01:41:20,420 --> 01:41:23,440
if we don't have components that are segregated

1193
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:26,660
out that way and we always go to the baseline.

1194
01:41:26,660 --> 01:41:36,060
So if we're comparing 652A to something, we're going to compare either to the adjusted or the adopted.

1195
01:41:38,060 --> 01:41:41,340
And the 230 has to be incorporated in the narrative.

1196
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:45,120
Otherwise, if it doesn't fit, then it's craziness.

1197
01:41:46,440 --> 01:41:48,980
And I apologize for presenting it this way.

1198
01:41:49,460 --> 01:41:53,540
But the 230 is these and civic plus.

1199
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:58,760
So, does that mean that 820 is really 820 less 230?

1200
01:41:59,040 --> 01:41:59,300
No.

1201
01:41:59,740 --> 01:42:00,720
It is 820.

1202
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:01,640
It is 820.

1203
01:42:01,700 --> 01:42:03,280
It is still going to be 820.

1204
01:42:03,700 --> 01:42:08,180
Or less 60,000 if I back, put back in the fiduciary fund, transfer.

1205
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:10,740
You know the way I look at it in my head.

1206
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:15,000
Great.

1207
01:42:15,220 --> 01:42:16,540
Early the way I made it.

1208
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:19,260
We have 820,000 deficit.

1209
01:42:20,180 --> 01:42:22,840
But we lost 500,000 in revenue.

1210
01:42:23,620 --> 01:42:24,880
So we can't predict that.

1211
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:34,880
But that leaves 300,000 and we're going to get 300,000 from our solar refund.

1212
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:39,240
Which leaves our deficit at $20,000.

1213
01:42:39,500 --> 01:42:41,720
Not in 20, 26. We're not getting that.

1214
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:42,140
We're not getting that.

1215
01:42:42,140 --> 01:42:42,280
We're not getting that much.

1216
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:43,580
Is that going to show it by June?

1217
01:42:43,820 --> 01:42:45,960
It's going to come up. It's going to come up.

1218
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:47,700
And it comes in July.

1219
01:42:48,380 --> 01:42:51,340
It's still that we almost gave him no, we're not even.

1220
01:42:51,340 --> 01:42:57,720
We may, you may not. I think it's on there's a level of uncertainty that means that we probably we

1221
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:04,220
It doesn't meet the criteria of recording it. Okay. Yes. I know you remember that's from the federal government.

1222
01:43:04,580 --> 01:43:10,920
Still so. Yeah. I got it for our souls life. Look at the $20,000. Yeah. It's for your IOU app.

1223
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:21,020
Yeah. I mean, technically the money is sitting in Calo, yes. But yeah, it won't be and it wouldn't be

1224
01:43:21,020 --> 01:43:25,400
It's incredible for 26, so, I mean, too.

1225
01:43:26,700 --> 01:43:27,840
I mean,

1226
01:43:31,540 --> 01:43:34,480
there's hedging companies that will take that back.

1227
01:43:36,380 --> 01:43:38,240
You're going to be all for something, dude.

1228
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:42,080
Okay.

1229
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,140
So, that took me a second.

1230
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:48,900
Yeah, sorry.

1231
01:43:49,420 --> 01:43:55,920
I think it would, it may take other people a second to realize.

1232
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:59,120
It would be helpful to present it, like we're distinctly.

1233
01:43:59,740 --> 01:44:01,920
And I just had one on the comment, you know,

1234
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:06,400
when you were talking with addressing Councilmember Triviano's

1235
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:09,780
questions about the significance of the revenue shortfall

1236
01:44:09,780 --> 01:44:13,100
and identify hey, this is, you know, 8% this is significant

1237
01:44:13,100 --> 01:44:15,820
around, I think we need to be consistent.

1238
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:23,000
So in other areas of this deck, we talk about, maybe not

1239
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:25,800
this deck, but this agenda packet, there's

1240
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:32,040
description that says, the city's finances are sound and stable. But if we have a $800,000

1241
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:39,800
deficit, and we're saying that a $600,500 is very significant. I don't think it's fair

1242
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:48,920
to say that this is a sound position when it's in a $800,000 deficit. I think it does the community

1243
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:53,900
a disservice to try and say that we're okay, but we're actually not because $800,000 is significant.

1244
01:44:53,900 --> 01:44:59,880
It's more significant than you're talking about, but we're describing them differently.

1245
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:09,860
It says the overall position. Would you take it to account the reserves and that includes our reserves?

1246
01:45:10,900 --> 01:45:17,260
I mean, our reserves are a percent seven million dollars. This is greater than 10 percent of reserves in one year.

1247
01:45:17,380 --> 01:45:24,180
I think that's still a sound and stable position. Can we compare it to other cities here?

1248
01:45:24,180 --> 01:45:32,300
I mean as we are stable for this year we are stable

1249
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:39,600
but I can't I wouldn't

1250
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:46,240
in good conscience say that this is sustainable so if it's not sustainable then I

1251
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:52,660
do not think it is sound it is accurate but we cannot sustain like this I

1252
01:45:52,660 --> 01:45:57,460
would agree so and that's why we're going to talk about the other item later

1253
01:45:57,460 --> 01:46:01,180
But, I just want to, you know, I don't want to sure about the messaging.

1254
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:03,380
We need to be like very clear on what's happening.

1255
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:05,460
There is a structural issue.

1256
01:46:06,580 --> 01:46:08,360
It's not any one thing.

1257
01:46:08,660 --> 01:46:13,180
It's not a huge, you know, it's not like there's a panacea that we can flip the switch.

1258
01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:16,240
It is everything is more expensive and all the money is less.

1259
01:46:17,100 --> 01:46:20,820
So, um, and that's a problem that we need to address.

1260
01:46:21,380 --> 01:46:25,640
And I think kind of leading up with, hey, we're okay, everything's fine.

1261
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:27,900
It's not, it's not the right messaging.

1262
01:46:28,780 --> 01:46:29,220
So.

1263
01:46:29,220 --> 01:46:30,220
I concur.

1264
01:46:31,140 --> 01:46:33,280
I'd like that you actually vocalize that.

1265
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:36,340
Okay, sorry.

1266
01:46:36,500 --> 01:46:38,460
We're going to interrupt you a lot, so please continue.

1267
01:46:41,610 --> 01:46:43,850
I'm getting good at it.

1268
01:46:44,110 --> 01:46:44,270
Okay.

1269
01:46:45,010 --> 01:46:45,230
27.

1270
01:46:46,350 --> 01:46:47,530
And why are there black bars?

1271
01:46:49,090 --> 01:46:51,490
Because there's no data in those fields and

1272
01:46:53,820 --> 01:46:56,580
I will no longer put black boxes there.

1273
01:46:56,980 --> 01:47:00,900
I didn't realize there were the restile sheets on this, but that's what we'll do this.

1274
01:47:00,900 --> 01:47:03,880
I would just leave it exactly the same format, so it's not distracting.

1275
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:05,140
Okay.

1276
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:06,340
Good to know.

1277
01:47:07,580 --> 01:47:16,840
All right, so for 27, what we're recommending is a series of adjustments that are detailed

1278
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:25,460
in attachment A that include all the funds, but what we're looking at here in this chart is

1279
01:47:25,460 --> 01:47:34,220
just the general fund, that would move revenue down for all the reasons we've just been talking

1280
01:47:34,220 --> 01:47:36,420
about for the things that have gone away.

1281
01:47:38,040 --> 01:47:44,100
And we're estimating that to be roughly 5.8 million in the in the in 27.

1282
01:47:46,100 --> 01:47:54,900
And that with all of the expenditures, salaries and services and supplies, including the items

1283
01:47:54,900 --> 01:48:03,020
that you wanted us to price in from the April 7th meeting, that would create an expenditure

1284
01:48:03,020 --> 01:48:15,280
budget of just over 7 million. And so the deficit in the adjusted budget is 1.165 million dollars.

1285
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:23,500
That would take the fund balance from 6.1 million down to just under 5 million dollars.

1286
01:48:27,820 --> 01:48:32,780
So here's, what do you have one question on that?

1287
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:38,980
So I think at the last meeting, and I think, Mayor Juan, you brought this up,

1288
01:48:39,460 --> 01:48:47,160
we were going to sort of separately recognize the use of reserve funds,

1289
01:48:47,860 --> 01:48:51,220
right, kind of an itemized, right?

1290
01:48:51,220 --> 01:48:55,380
So it doesn't show extreme deficit spending,

1291
01:48:55,380 --> 01:49:01,180
because most of those, I believe, were like one time expenses.

1292
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:09,620
So, and we've, we've detailed that out in a second here, but what we did do is,

1293
01:49:10,580 --> 01:49:15,240
because the reserves are within the context of general fund,

1294
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:20,280
you've got to bring them in to be able to then move them out to the,

1295
01:49:20,540 --> 01:49:23,200
where we put most of these things, we're in the CIP budget,

1296
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:25,340
So that everything had a discrete budget.

1297
01:49:25,580 --> 01:49:28,780
That was the direction that staff was given last time.

1298
01:49:29,180 --> 01:49:33,820
So for those capex type expenses that we identified,

1299
01:49:34,380 --> 01:49:39,360
we created new or intended create once,

1300
01:49:39,660 --> 01:49:43,640
if you were to approve this, separate CIP projects

1301
01:49:44,740 --> 01:49:46,120
for those other items.

1302
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:48,840
So they'd be accounted for there separately.

1303
01:49:49,020 --> 01:49:51,920
But in order to bring that reserve, those reserve funds in,

1304
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:57,340
We'd bring him into the general fund and then disperse him to whether it's the capital

1305
01:49:57,340 --> 01:49:59,960
expended our CIP fund or whatever.

1306
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:09,200
That's why that's why it shows that way because the revenue comes in there first before it gets distributed.

1307
01:50:10,380 --> 01:50:10,740
Okay.

1308
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:13,400
Does it come in as revenue, or is it just the end of fund transfer?

1309
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:17,160
You're going to post it as revenue?

1310
01:50:17,660 --> 01:50:19,260
I mean, it's a credit, but that's a credit.

1311
01:50:19,380 --> 01:50:20,860
It doesn't go to end of fund transfer.

1312
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:22,940
That's the mechanism for it as an end of fund.

1313
01:50:22,980 --> 01:50:23,820
Yes, you are correct.

1314
01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:25,760
So, I mean, technically it's not revenues.

1315
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:29,620
So it's a source, sure, it's a source of funds.

1316
01:50:31,100 --> 01:50:32,360
And it has to live in a fund.

1317
01:50:33,380 --> 01:50:34,520
So it's a, yeah.

1318
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:36,720
I mean, I get it for the purpose of recording.

1319
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:38,160
That's how you have to move it.

1320
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:40,880
But like for presentation, like we're trying to communicate

1321
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:44,360
in a raw message, we don't, it would be nice to isolate it

1322
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:46,260
to show for presentation.

1323
01:50:46,700 --> 01:50:48,480
You know, for essentially like for management reporting,

1324
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:51,040
it'd be better to show that presentation.

1325
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:58,260
On the revenue reduction on the recommended, it's only a decrease of 58.

1326
01:51:00,480 --> 01:51:06,260
Is there other things going on there besides the 215 that we identified earlier from the ROPS or whatever I forget the acronym?

1327
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:08,580
Yeah, or do you have that?

1328
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:09,700
Yeah, I have that.

1329
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:10,900
Successor Agency.

1330
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:12,440
Because for 27.

1331
01:51:13,180 --> 01:51:15,440
Can the be at least 215?

1332
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:17,680
And again, I thought we're netting again something.

1333
01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:25,100
Well, I think what we're netting against is, you know, some possible growth, you know, even even

1334
01:51:25,100 --> 01:51:25,980
minimal growth.

1335
01:51:25,980 --> 01:51:30,900
And we're going to get the 2% assessment on the property every year, right, so we don't get

1336
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:32,040
2%.

1337
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:32,720
Sorry.

1338
01:51:33,140 --> 01:51:34,060
I pay 2%.

1339
01:51:34,060 --> 01:51:36,820
We get a little bit less than that.

1340
01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:37,220
Right.

1341
01:51:37,220 --> 01:51:45,080
So whenever that represents, it's a pretty small number, it's, it's, it's, you see, why it is.

1342
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:51,660
radically it should be 2% as long as that is that 2% it's just not everybody gets reassessed every year

1343
01:51:52,980 --> 01:51:58,360
Really, prop their team. It gets reassessed when you sell it

1344
01:52:00,660 --> 01:52:09,340
And then if it's reassessed for for new there's a 1% increase that's allowed as baseline

1345
01:52:10,980 --> 01:52:11,460
mine.

1346
01:52:13,300 --> 01:52:17,440
My property says, okay, wait, so I could be confusing my percentages.

1347
01:52:18,720 --> 01:52:21,960
But there's a limit on property on how much your assessment could increase each year.

1348
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:23,060
One percent.

1349
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:25,000
It's two percent.

1350
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:29,420
Two percent increase.

1351
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:31,160
Okay, one percent, okay, sorry.

1352
01:52:31,440 --> 01:52:32,240
I'm not crazy, right?

1353
01:52:32,700 --> 01:52:32,780
Yeah.

1354
01:52:32,780 --> 01:52:35,260
No, she said she said she's crazy with you.

1355
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:37,260
Two percent.

1356
01:52:40,740 --> 01:52:41,020
Yeah, I got it.

1357
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:41,940
I got it.

1358
01:52:41,940 --> 01:52:45,380
your assess value of which the base rate is 1% that

1359
01:52:45,380 --> 01:52:47,240
readjust upon time of sale.

1360
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:54,980
So if everyone's property tax is going up 2% in theory,

1361
01:52:55,800 --> 01:52:57,740
it's probably some blended rate based on sales

1362
01:52:57,740 --> 01:52:59,800
and maybe some values that increase or whatnot.

1363
01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:03,000
But if you notice, then our apportionment

1364
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,460
should also rise via similar percentage.

1365
01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:07,460
And generally, we calculate.

1366
01:53:08,460 --> 01:53:10,600
So I'm trying to answer the question for you.

1367
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:17,780
Yeah, and I think that the delta between the two 15 and the 58 should encompass some revenue

1368
01:53:17,780 --> 01:53:24,800
growth in property tax and the VLF in lieu of as well, like it would be nice to just

1369
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:28,500
see that to like have a narrative here so that it tells the story similar to what we were

1370
01:53:28,500 --> 01:53:34,180
saying earlier, the matter of context would help the reader because as we go through this exercise,

1371
01:53:34,700 --> 01:53:39,800
anyone looking at the document will also try to mental math it out and they may come to a

1372
01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:43,120
for an answer, but it'd be nice if we'd just make it very explicit, okay.

1373
01:53:45,820 --> 01:53:49,500
So where is the two 15 for 2027?

1374
01:53:50,060 --> 01:53:50,480
Is it in there?

1375
01:53:50,480 --> 01:53:54,100
But it's offset by other revenue increases.

1376
01:53:55,780 --> 01:53:57,980
I mean, that's the math fantasy that you would have to be.

1377
01:54:00,020 --> 01:54:01,160
And it's in the detail sheet.

1378
01:54:01,340 --> 01:54:07,680
I mean, you can really go through and you can see that if you just the way if you haven't looked at the detail sheet yet,

1379
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:21,700
It has adjusted budget on the left the adopted budget on the toward the right and then we've got the delta of the variance between them in the over to the far right side.

1380
01:54:22,620 --> 01:54:27,840
So, we're also just anticipating a lower growth rate.

1381
01:54:27,980 --> 01:54:35,500
Again, I think the resale of homes is not nearly what we are imagining interest rates seem to be kind of stuck.

1382
01:54:36,500 --> 01:54:39,680
And so I think those reassessment through sales.

1383
01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:43,220
As I'm driving around, I'm not seeing a lot of signs.

1384
01:54:44,660 --> 01:54:46,920
And this is the summer selling season in theory.

1385
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:51,880
So I think we've taken kind of a conservative approach on revenue growth for sales.

1386
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:53,940
How many signs do you see?

1387
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:55,900
Because I see several more than you're seeing.

1388
01:54:56,420 --> 01:54:58,660
And I drive around the city regularly.

1389
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:09,600
You look at the data. Yeah, this is a question for data. Yeah, thank our letterly selling. Maybe not as quickly as they were a year ago, but within 30 days. Yeah, they're moving.

1390
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:17,000
All right. And there may be less units. I mean, the data will show, but I mean, historically, we sell between 90 and 120 units a year.

1391
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:29,180
That's all right. Yeah. So if it's significantly different than that, then you'd probably see a different, but if it's right around the same with even a little bit of variance and then you add in.

1392
01:55:29,180 --> 01:55:31,320
I mean, some of these prices are kind of out of this world,

1393
01:55:34,140 --> 01:55:36,540
so it kind of balances out a little bit.

1394
01:55:37,380 --> 01:55:40,040
So in addition to that, we continue to look

1395
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:43,320
at on these expenditure side, the continued savings

1396
01:55:43,320 --> 01:55:46,820
on some of those changes and positions that we've taken.

1397
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:51,280
So I think we're cautious on that, though,

1398
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:56,040
because next year we go back into negotiations on contracts.

1399
01:55:56,920 --> 01:55:59,760
And so there will be some pressure there.

1400
01:56:01,400 --> 01:56:03,900
We've lowered a lot of the IT subscription rates.

1401
01:56:03,960 --> 01:56:06,740
That'll be happening in the first quarter of 27.

1402
01:56:07,620 --> 01:56:12,260
Due to that switch to civic plus ends up being neutral.

1403
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:15,040
But we're having that double expenses now.

1404
01:56:15,700 --> 01:56:18,160
And so that double expense will go away.

1405
01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:21,180
And it'll just be the singular expense specific plus.

1406
01:56:21,180 --> 01:56:43,960
And then we're, this proposal or recommended adjusted budget for 27 also keeps all the special revenue funds balanced and including the LMD and really the budget changes in those other accounts in those other funds are pretty minimal from.

1407
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:50,260
Can you elaborate on the 600,000 adjustment on expense side for FY27?

1408
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:56,420
There's a breakout of that, and I'm interested in all of that.

1409
01:56:57,120 --> 01:56:59,940
On what the biggies were?

1410
01:57:10,450 --> 01:57:12,970
Is that the one time spend that you mentioned earlier?

1411
01:57:13,370 --> 01:57:14,970
Is that a component of it?

1412
01:57:15,010 --> 01:57:17,270
Because that's where separating the amount is very helpful.

1413
01:57:17,270 --> 01:57:24,450
Yeah, so some of that is the, the elimination, the downgrading is some of the positions and, and, and what not.

1414
01:57:24,650 --> 01:57:25,090
That salaries.

1415
01:57:25,250 --> 01:57:27,850
You saw on the salaries, but you're on the service and supply line.

1416
01:57:28,270 --> 01:57:31,810
It's adopted at 1.1944 versus 2.574.

1417
01:57:32,110 --> 01:57:33,090
So it's 610.

1418
01:57:35,210 --> 01:57:36,150
So it's a big number.

1419
01:57:36,470 --> 01:57:41,230
So we know 90 of that is the decline in the subscriptions.

1420
01:57:44,860 --> 01:57:45,060
What?

1421
01:57:45,700 --> 01:57:45,980
I don't know that.

1422
01:57:47,940 --> 01:57:59,120
So, we're not going to have $90,000 worth of subscriptions that we currently have, and so this is an unfavorable variance.

1423
01:58:04,450 --> 01:58:06,750
Well, the six owner, okay, all right, sorry.

1424
01:58:09,350 --> 01:58:15,870
So, I think, I mean, it's okay if you don't have it, but I mean, I don't have it off top of my head.

1425
01:58:16,890 --> 01:58:17,110
I think

1426
01:58:20,980 --> 01:58:22,620
those are off to the good.

1427
01:58:24,410 --> 01:58:25,690
Yeah, let me get back to you.

1428
01:58:25,910 --> 01:58:26,770
Let me look at it.

1429
01:58:26,770 --> 01:58:29,770
I didn't really break that down in the same way I had on this one.

1430
01:58:29,770 --> 01:58:33,010
So the 26 year, you had it like an error to say.

1431
01:58:33,270 --> 01:58:34,090
Right, here's the components.

1432
01:58:35,410 --> 01:58:36,890
27 year, we don't have that.

1433
01:58:40,430 --> 01:58:41,670
Can I ask you a question?

1434
01:58:42,450 --> 01:58:42,650
What?

1435
01:58:43,190 --> 01:58:44,030
Fund $220?

1436
01:58:44,330 --> 01:58:45,110
What is that?

1437
01:58:45,170 --> 01:58:47,410
Project cost $591,000.

1438
01:58:50,420 --> 01:58:51,380
Are you looking at the detail?

1439
01:58:51,820 --> 01:58:52,260
I am.

1440
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:52,720
Awesome.

1441
01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:58,880
That is, you know, I just had that chart up if I can.

1442
01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:04,000
You may stop the presentation real quick and look at my

1443
01:59:09,020 --> 01:59:10,580
1, 2, 20.

1444
01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:15,860
I mean, it just says fund and then maybe a code will help 75, 20.

1445
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:17,960
Well, no, just the page 6 of 7.

1446
01:59:18,300 --> 01:59:20,740
Yeah, just the 2, 20 is what I need.

1447
01:59:21,420 --> 01:59:22,100
2, 20 is 20.

1448
01:59:22,100 --> 01:59:23,000
There's several 2, 20.

1449
01:59:23,780 --> 01:59:24,840
Yeah, there'll be no.

1450
01:59:25,020 --> 01:59:28,160
It's measured J fund programs, measure J.

1451
01:59:28,380 --> 01:59:29,700
So it's, it's road programs.

1452
01:59:31,420 --> 01:59:37,360
220 is Measure J. There would be several because those are different light items within

1453
01:59:37,360 --> 01:59:45,140
220, different kinds of expenses. So I think Councilor Tone was asking about code 7520.

1454
01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:51,880
Project costs 591,000. Right. What is that?

1455
01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:56,500
So that would have been some parts of the road program I would think, the Neighborhood

1456
01:59:57,560 --> 01:59:59,960
because Measure J was a major component of that.

1457
02:00:02,030 --> 02:00:14,510
So, help me read this detail. We've got the adjusted amount and we've got what we adopted on the on the right side. Correct. That's confusing me.

1458
02:00:15,110 --> 02:00:17,130
Here we go right to the left.

1459
02:00:18,430 --> 02:00:25,510
So, we had adopted the 591 so is that a savings then since it's not on the left side for the adjusted balance?

1460
02:00:26,690 --> 02:00:26,950
Yes.

1461
02:00:28,370 --> 02:00:30,470
Why is it a negative and not a positive?

1462
02:00:34,530 --> 02:00:37,310
Are you looking at 75?

1463
02:00:39,550 --> 02:00:43,030
I'm on page 6 of 7 on my screen, right?

1464
02:00:43,350 --> 02:00:43,490
Yeah.

1465
02:00:43,710 --> 02:00:46,190
So I'm looking at, I wish they had, there's no.

1466
02:00:46,270 --> 02:00:48,670
2, 20, 75, 20, project cost.

1467
02:00:48,790 --> 02:00:51,190
There's nothing in the adjusted line.

1468
02:00:52,370 --> 02:00:55,930
And then there was something, I'd have to find out exactly what that change was.

1469
02:00:55,930 --> 02:01:01,130
Yeah, so there's nothing on the adjusted side, which means we're not we wouldn't be spending it

1470
02:01:01,130 --> 02:01:06,450
Which means I why is that not a positive number a positive 591 to me?

1471
02:01:06,530 --> 02:01:11,190
It looks like it's a negative 591, but if we're not because we're subtracting it from the expenditure budget

1472
02:01:11,190 --> 02:01:12,030
Okay

1473
02:01:12,490 --> 02:01:18,430
We would be subtracting if we zero it out. I switch budgets. I guess hold on wait a minute

1474
02:01:19,430 --> 02:01:20,650
I see what you're asking

1475
02:01:22,950 --> 02:01:25,750
I don't know if we switched the labels of the columns

1476
02:01:26,870 --> 02:01:29,810
We did not. This is how we, this is how we've been doing it.

1477
02:01:30,050 --> 02:01:36,490
Because we have a significant spend for measure J. But why would it go to zero on this project?

1478
02:01:37,090 --> 02:01:39,870
What project do we anticipate that we're no longer doing?

1479
02:01:40,610 --> 02:01:49,430
This would be the second year of the thing we haven't programmed anything for the second year of the road funding.

1480
02:01:50,530 --> 02:01:56,030
There's, you haven't had a CIP, sit-new center projects, you had projects, all the street

1481
02:01:56,030 --> 02:01:59,610
bathing, as I gave you the example, was approved for 26.

1482
02:02:00,050 --> 02:02:04,230
They're going to technically happen in 27, but they're happening with $26.

1483
02:02:04,870 --> 02:02:09,410
You've been on a biennual road program for how long, many years.

1484
02:02:10,630 --> 02:02:13,350
And so this is the year two of that biennial program.

1485
02:02:14,860 --> 02:02:21,680
This is one of the things that this this is a fixed to something that was not fixed a year ago

1486
02:02:25,930 --> 02:02:31,810
So I'm gonna keep asking the same question again. Okay. I don't know how to read this this detail. I'm sorry. So I'm looking at now

1487
02:02:31,810 --> 02:02:32,990
I'm looking at

1488
02:02:32,990 --> 02:02:33,850
202

1489
02:02:33,850 --> 02:02:34,370
Yes

1490
02:02:34,870 --> 02:02:38,610
has the same code of 7520 project cost, but it was

1491
02:02:38,610 --> 02:02:46,250
710,000. What are we looking at here? So is that a different year? No 202 is a different that's RMR

1492
02:02:46,250 --> 02:02:48,470
Thank you.

1493
02:02:48,870 --> 02:03:02,850
And so it's any of the road progress, many of the projects in the CIP that were pavement oriented or street light oriented are using a mixture of RMLRA measure J, right?

1494
02:03:02,850 --> 02:03:10,870
So we can go back to the CIP and tease these out, which the exactly these dollar amounts were.

1495
02:03:11,330 --> 02:03:22,970
But I'm going to bet dollars to donuts that we backed these out because it's the second year again of the road program in Clayton.

1496
02:03:23,670 --> 02:03:30,490
Okay, and so then as I'm looking down at these other codes that mentioned all of the ones you just mentioned, for example, it's fund 303.

1497
02:03:30,490 --> 02:03:39,370
And they have, next to them, transfer from measure J, transfer from who to gas tax, transfer from the grants, transfer from RMRA.

1498
02:03:41,610 --> 02:03:42,370
What are those numbers?

1499
02:03:42,450 --> 02:03:46,750
Those are all the, so 303 is where all of our capital improvement projects live.

1500
02:03:47,110 --> 02:03:49,850
That's the fund that they all live in.

1501
02:03:50,030 --> 02:03:54,590
So the funds from those other line items 202 and 220 moved into 303.

1502
02:03:54,590 --> 02:04:09,110
It would have moved in in 2026, yes, but there was because we collect the money, it is revenues, then you move them in the second year when we're actually programming the projects.

1503
02:04:15,650 --> 02:04:20,030
Dennis, may I also ask you what the balance is in our surf fund?

1504
02:04:20,210 --> 02:04:27,030
We had about 700,000 at one point. Have we used some of that already for?

1505
02:04:27,030 --> 02:04:29,610
We have vehicles for vehicles.

1506
02:04:30,410 --> 02:04:39,430
We still have earmarked to 171 or 175 or something for the library refresh project that are programmed in there.

1507
02:04:39,850 --> 02:04:40,950
Yes, so all that's in there.

1508
02:04:41,030 --> 02:04:42,750
And the balance is

1509
02:04:44,890 --> 02:04:46,970
700 issues.

1510
02:04:47,730 --> 02:04:48,210
Still still.

1511
02:04:48,210 --> 02:04:49,650
Still 700 issues.

1512
02:04:50,050 --> 02:04:52,690
And that's there almost four.

1513
02:04:53,950 --> 02:04:58,030
Yeah, you'll see in the attachment B.

1514
02:04:58,030 --> 02:04:59,110
did for

1515
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:16,040
The projects that you asked us about last time that we use Sir for some of those projects. In particular, yeah, which is, that's, that's kind of, we saw it to you.

1516
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:25,120
Who does Sir for the measure today? So though, and those are actually on the top of it, it's a good way to talk about councilwoman, councilmember,

1517
02:05:25,120 --> 02:05:28,840
However, tillman's questions about where's the funding

1518
02:05:28,840 --> 02:05:31,740
come from for some of the existing CIP projects,

1519
02:05:31,980 --> 02:05:33,620
we've listed some of those funding sources,

1520
02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:36,960
who to being another one of them.

1521
02:05:37,400 --> 02:05:41,940
You actually, in that one, you see the 26 paving projects

1522
02:05:41,940 --> 02:05:45,300
and restriping for a month or a parkway,

1523
02:05:45,820 --> 02:05:48,780
that has the most significant mixture

1524
02:05:48,780 --> 02:05:53,060
of all those different funds for those particular projects.

1525
02:05:56,020 --> 02:05:56,580
But

1526
02:06:02,150 --> 02:06:03,470
any other questions?

1527
02:06:04,290 --> 02:06:05,190
I have questions.

1528
02:06:06,570 --> 02:06:08,170
Okay, so now you have me looking at this detail.

1529
02:06:12,900 --> 02:06:13,860
That's okay?

1530
02:06:14,360 --> 02:06:18,960
So, okay, so I'm looking at page 48 of the agenda packet.

1531
02:06:18,980 --> 02:06:21,160
This is the beginning of attachment A.

1532
02:06:22,360 --> 02:06:24,580
Which is coincidentally, is also labeled page 48.

1533
02:06:25,140 --> 02:06:26,060
So that's okay.

1534
02:06:28,240 --> 02:06:32,320
Towards the bottom, the third or the third of the page,

1535
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:43,740
It says total adjusted revenue 7.008 and total budget revenue 7.5901, you see what I'm seeing?

1536
02:06:45,720 --> 02:06:50,120
So this makes me think about the prior discussion we just had about the $58,000

1537
02:06:51,620 --> 02:06:52,860
unfavorable on revenue.

1538
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:58,160
This represents a $1.1 million or a favorable on revenue.

1539
02:06:59,660 --> 02:07:03,720
So, how do I interpret that?

1540
02:07:06,040 --> 02:07:11,780
So, I think part of what you're seeing there is the effect of on the very top row on that page,

1541
02:07:12,100 --> 02:07:14,920
the 32 line item 3201.

1542
02:07:15,700 --> 02:07:20,720
Part of what you're seeing is that transfer in for the 1.165

1543
02:07:22,200 --> 02:07:27,380
for a million for the projects from the reserves.

1544
02:07:27,960 --> 02:07:30,220
Oh, so we're reflecting that as I mean, correct.

1545
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:31,300
Okay, got it.

1546
02:07:31,320 --> 02:07:31,740
Let me sense.

1547
02:07:32,260 --> 02:07:34,080
So that's weird, but I see what yours.

1548
02:07:34,120 --> 02:07:34,720
I see the math.

1549
02:07:35,000 --> 02:07:35,500
That's weird.

1550
02:07:37,820 --> 02:07:41,620
And then whenever we have a schedule like this,

1551
02:07:43,430 --> 02:07:45,450
can we put all the columns?

1552
02:07:47,090 --> 02:07:47,250
Sure.

1553
02:07:48,210 --> 02:07:49,670
Because like, half the columns aren't fit,

1554
02:07:49,950 --> 02:07:51,450
and I like it.

1555
02:07:51,450 --> 02:07:52,770
It throws off my sense of order.

1556
02:07:55,050 --> 02:07:57,130
So we'll fix that for your sense of order.

1557
02:07:57,130 --> 02:07:58,790
It'll help us, too.

1558
02:08:03,320 --> 02:08:04,760
It means have a total of total.

1559
02:08:05,300 --> 02:08:05,560
Okay,

1560
02:08:09,340 --> 02:08:10,540
that's, I think that's my question.

1561
02:08:11,880 --> 02:08:14,400
Anything else, I'll go back to the.

1562
02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:18,220
Hi, Dan.

1563
02:08:18,460 --> 02:08:19,340
Take a presentation.

1564
02:08:37,420 --> 02:08:41,980
So, just to put up, I think we've, I think we've covered all this.

1565
02:08:42,040 --> 02:08:43,640
If you want to go back, we can.

1566
02:08:44,380 --> 02:08:52,280
Now I wanted to move on to discussions of the reserve funding for some of the projects you

1567
02:08:52,280 --> 02:08:54,000
identified at the last meeting.

1568
02:08:55,740 --> 02:09:00,620
This slide represents kind of the conglomeration

1569
02:09:00,620 --> 02:09:05,900
of all of those amounts and the source of the funds

1570
02:09:05,900 --> 02:09:07,380
for each of them.

1571
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:10,780
So you'll notice that some of the firearms tactical gear

1572
02:09:10,780 --> 02:09:14,020
and the computer that gets installed in the one police

1573
02:09:14,020 --> 02:09:21,100
vehicle took that from surf, the contract for the cameras

1574
02:09:21,100 --> 02:09:24,700
and whatnot for the grove and for community park.

1575
02:09:24,940 --> 02:09:29,140
We took from serve the emergency operation plans.

1576
02:09:29,380 --> 02:09:37,520
We found some money there from SLSF, the grant funding to law enforcement programming.

1577
02:09:38,200 --> 02:09:44,360
We found that we found the right amount in unused and SLSF at this point.

1578
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:51,080
And then almost everything else we connected back to CIP, just because there was a

1579
02:09:51,080 --> 02:09:57,760
capital projects again using the reserve for those funds and then also the permit tracking

1580
02:09:57,760 --> 02:09:59,980
software as well as the bodywork.

1581
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:09,340
Foreign cameras in the service contract that goes with that. We're identifying as general fund expenses,

1582
02:10:10,140 --> 02:10:16,420
because that's going to be an ongoing cost for the contract. And then the fund balance from

1583
02:10:16,420 --> 02:10:18,960
general fund for those out years.

1584
02:10:22,280 --> 02:10:25,520
And I will say this. I mean, technically, we don't have to transfer

1585
02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:32,200
the amount for the 28 deficit, because we're not facing that. So we've listed it there more for

1586
02:10:32,200 --> 02:10:39,200
So we won't, this doesn't include moving bad amount of money over to cover that.

1587
02:10:40,240 --> 02:10:43,980
When we talked last meeting, we talked about certain CIP items as well.

1588
02:10:44,360 --> 02:10:49,860
I think I'm trying to remember what section of the discussion they were in, like the sidewalk components.

1589
02:10:50,660 --> 02:10:52,260
Where did those end up here?

1590
02:10:53,100 --> 02:11:01,420
So, at the last meeting, we did not receive clear direction to proceed on that sidewalk project that was listed on the options.

1591
02:11:02,660 --> 02:11:08,340
We did, I'm talking about the four OXLAN sidewalk that you are getting estimate, we have

1592
02:11:08,340 --> 02:11:08,920
that funded.

1593
02:11:09,060 --> 02:11:09,740
That's what we funded.

1594
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:10,680
In the CIP.

1595
02:11:11,180 --> 02:11:11,300
Yeah.

1596
02:11:11,300 --> 02:11:11,620
That's what I'm saying.

1597
02:11:11,780 --> 02:11:16,080
I was going to make sure that it's not new on the list, it's existing.

1598
02:11:17,880 --> 02:11:23,540
So that this kind of adds to the CIP, it doesn't take anything out, so maybe it does.

1599
02:11:24,200 --> 02:11:25,100
I don't want to get lost.

1600
02:11:26,920 --> 02:11:27,580
It's there.

1601
02:11:27,880 --> 02:11:28,200
It's there.

1602
02:11:28,900 --> 02:11:33,340
And we've got actually design estimates and whatnot already on that.

1603
02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:35,100
So we're going to start tomorrow.

1604
02:11:36,340 --> 02:11:38,920
We could maybe start the goods next week.

1605
02:11:41,700 --> 02:11:50,760
So these are what we built into the built into the 27 budget based on your direction from last time.

1606
02:11:52,040 --> 02:11:54,260
And then just to kind of wrap up, you know,

1607
02:11:54,260 --> 02:12:01,440
I do say that there is a soundness to the budget and some stability based on the reserve funds.

1608
02:12:02,340 --> 02:12:12,040
But we all know that those are one time and using them now for ongoing expenses is not a best.

1609
02:12:12,300 --> 02:12:13,280
I won't say it.

1610
02:12:13,400 --> 02:12:19,400
It's not a good choice on the city's part for the most part.

1611
02:12:19,400 --> 02:12:22,280
You could do it for emergencies, you could do it on a limited time basis.

1612
02:12:22,780 --> 02:12:28,880
I would say we're probably in kind of one of those circumstances, but we need to be cautious

1613
02:12:28,880 --> 02:12:30,780
of that.

1614
02:12:32,840 --> 02:12:39,500
When we did the recommended adjusted budget, we had already in the operations and maintenance

1615
02:12:39,500 --> 02:12:40,380
side of the budget.

1616
02:12:40,380 --> 02:12:45,620
We had already reduced the deficit by a number of other changes in half from what had

1617
02:12:45,620 --> 02:12:47,240
been adopted last year.

1618
02:12:47,240 --> 02:13:04,500
So, we started with that, reducing those expenditures, reducing that, so it netted out to a half of the deficit about $345,000 in deficit spending, if you will.

1619
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:11,300
But then we added the projects at your direction at the last one, and that's why we are where we are.

1620
02:13:11,300 --> 02:13:18,720
Can I for contact? So if we go to the summary of my 27 suggested revisions, I think it's like eight slides up or something now for

1621
02:13:20,060 --> 02:13:33,040
The one that showed the negative one point one once this is one. Yeah, is that number inclusive of the one time spending that was reflected in the other slide. Yes, sir

1622
02:13:33,960 --> 02:13:35,920
so like this is the part that

1623
02:13:36,920 --> 02:13:38,780
this is the part that

1624
02:13:39,800 --> 02:13:45,280
could be misleading to me at least. I don't know anyone else, but like I would

1625
02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:54,340
like to see the regular deficit projected 27 and then adding a column that says

1626
02:13:55,640 --> 02:14:00,660
one time spend and then total so that you will still see the same one one six

1627
02:14:00,660 --> 02:14:06,380
five but that will break out the that one time spent. That's what we were talking

1628
02:14:06,380 --> 02:14:19,800
That's what I was poorly describing last week or last meeting so that it's very clear that all of this deficit this component is one time in winter

1629
02:14:20,380 --> 02:14:23,700
That's what I would that's that that's a meza

1630
02:14:23,700 --> 02:14:29,100
Okay, we're in an in helpful presentation. Okay

1631
02:14:29,100 --> 02:14:36,020
Any other question I had is when we go back to the list can you go back to the list of the reserve

1632
02:14:36,380 --> 02:14:39,500
Project, oh, Dennis is, sorry, it's going.

1633
02:14:40,400 --> 02:14:40,840
These are.

1634
02:14:41,460 --> 02:14:41,940
Yeah.

1635
02:14:42,720 --> 02:14:50,620
So we removed the library exterior painting 100,000 or so.

1636
02:14:50,940 --> 02:14:59,960
But we don't have any of the library refresh phase 2 or 3 in here.

1637
02:15:01,600 --> 02:15:17,540
So I show that on Attachment V at the very bottom. The dollar amounts for both of those. They are not budgeted in, but I brought them forward because there wasn't, I don't think a clear consensus to add them.

1638
02:15:17,540 --> 02:15:18,880
is at the budget schedule.

1639
02:15:19,120 --> 02:15:20,820
Budget attachment be yes.

1640
02:15:21,100 --> 02:15:22,840
So at the very bottom of the page,

1641
02:15:23,120 --> 02:15:26,520
you'll notice I headed that currently unbudgeted

1642
02:15:26,520 --> 02:15:30,940
and it gives the two phases and the total.

1643
02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:37,720
So tonight you need what from us, exactly.

1644
02:15:38,800 --> 02:15:42,560
What I would appreciate if you're ready to

1645
02:15:42,560 --> 02:15:45,140
would be to approve the budget revisions

1646
02:15:45,140 --> 02:15:52,800
including the augmentations that you asked for on April 7th as you may choose to further

1647
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:59,440
amend them tonight or direction to go back and do something different.

1648
02:16:00,400 --> 02:16:03,980
Okay, so let me just, I gotta go back to the question.

1649
02:16:04,080 --> 02:16:10,700
That one one six five, you said it was inclusive of these items, but these items on that list

1650
02:16:10,700 --> 02:16:14,380
Represent something like 2.5 million.

1651
02:16:16,500 --> 02:16:27,060
I'm just doing the math in my head real quick, but I'm guessing it's about 2.5 if you put it because every time there's a column of numbers, there should be of total at the bottom so that you can see every time.

1652
02:16:29,540 --> 02:16:37,320
I think it's 2.5, so if the deficit is projected at 1.165 and this is inclusive of 2.5,

1653
02:16:39,370 --> 02:16:41,810
I don't think it's inclusive of 2.5 as well I'm saying.

1654
02:16:42,490 --> 02:16:44,030
It is not inclusive of 2.5.

1655
02:16:44,110 --> 02:16:44,630
It can't be.

1656
02:16:45,010 --> 02:16:46,450
So what is it actually including?

1657
02:16:48,130 --> 02:16:54,690
So what's included in there are the total price of all of those pieces.

1658
02:16:54,690 --> 02:16:59,950
So this is really about reconciling just the CIP pieces.

1659
02:17:00,750 --> 02:17:04,190
This list also includes, let me go back.

1660
02:17:04,210 --> 02:17:06,350
Can you refer to which list you're looking at?

1661
02:17:06,470 --> 02:17:07,950
I've got several taps open.

1662
02:17:08,370 --> 02:17:09,990
Yes, that would be, thank you.

1663
02:17:10,490 --> 02:17:13,610
Is one list, and then the other one is this slide.

1664
02:17:13,650 --> 02:17:15,450
So this is like 2.5, right?

1665
02:17:15,650 --> 02:17:20,550
It would take with the, yes, with the deficits.

1666
02:17:21,230 --> 02:17:23,670
So does it include all, because my question earlier

1667
02:17:23,670 --> 02:17:24,970
was, does it include these things?

1668
02:17:25,070 --> 02:17:26,870
And you said yes, but I'm guessing no.

1669
02:17:26,910 --> 02:17:27,930
The answer is actually no.

1670
02:17:28,650 --> 02:17:30,470
It may include, does it maybe it

1671
02:17:30,470 --> 02:17:32,170
includes everything but the bottom three lines?

1672
02:17:34,840 --> 02:17:36,440
It does not include the library refresh.

1673
02:17:37,080 --> 02:17:38,160
Well, that's not listed here.

1674
02:17:38,220 --> 02:17:39,240
Yeah, that's not listed.

1675
02:17:42,250 --> 02:17:44,970
So I guess what I would say is, I don't feel comfortable

1676
02:17:44,970 --> 02:17:46,310
saying yes at this point.

1677
02:17:46,370 --> 02:17:50,090
I would like to see it presented in a more cohesive way

1678
02:17:50,090 --> 02:17:53,630
that shows exactly what we're adding, you know what I mean?

1679
02:17:53,630 --> 02:17:58,670
Okay, with that layout, with the column or layout, so we can

1680
02:17:58,670 --> 02:18:02,480
Attachment B. Is it B?

1681
02:18:02,640 --> 02:18:03,580
This one.

1682
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:06,940
That's just the idea.

1683
02:18:07,720 --> 02:18:11,040
We haven't even really gone through that yet, but

1684
02:18:16,850 --> 02:18:17,290
Okay.

1685
02:18:17,290 --> 02:18:19,850
Because I say, I guess the way I would say it is,

1686
02:18:22,650 --> 02:18:25,610
You're making a request of a adjustment for a 27.

1687
02:18:26,290 --> 02:18:26,350
Yes.

1688
02:18:26,350 --> 02:18:29,030
We should say, like, this is the change that I want to make

1689
02:18:29,030 --> 02:18:36,810
and have a, has at least a rough detail, not a granular detail of what it represents and what

1690
02:18:36,810 --> 02:18:40,890
the changes and then break it out into those one time things that we asked for in the prior meeting

1691
02:18:40,890 --> 02:18:45,930
and then whatever is operational so that we say like this is what our new projection is for the operational

1692
02:18:45,930 --> 02:18:52,930
components. Like I think that would be very clear so then then we all know what we're, what we're being asked to approve.

1693
02:18:55,000 --> 02:18:57,600
Is that, that's just my take I don't know if you guys have thoughts on that.

1694
02:18:57,600 --> 02:19:03,660
Well, I was just wondering, could we bring up attachment B and go through that a little bit?

1695
02:19:04,300 --> 02:19:05,940
That is in the packet.

1696
02:19:06,980 --> 02:19:08,540
Is it a standard deck?

1697
02:19:08,900 --> 02:19:10,000
It's not in the deck.

1698
02:19:10,660 --> 02:19:11,300
Is it this?

1699
02:19:11,360 --> 02:19:12,560
Yeah, I can't.

1700
02:19:12,860 --> 02:19:13,620
Oh, yeah,

1701
02:19:21,560 --> 02:19:22,780
we didn't talk about this one.

1702
02:19:23,140 --> 02:19:24,160
We didn't.

1703
02:19:24,300 --> 02:19:26,900
And I think we should just kind of go through it, right?

1704
02:19:26,900 --> 02:19:32,000
Before we finish up here, everybody's up children.

1705
02:19:43,110 --> 02:19:43,890
The AC is working.

1706
02:19:43,890 --> 02:19:47,190
in the AC of definitely overworking.

1707
02:20:01,810 --> 02:20:05,310
It's in the packet. Let's see if there's a hint.

1708
02:20:05,570 --> 02:20:07,290
It's 55. Okay.

1709
02:20:30,840 --> 02:20:32,600
Say 55? Yeah.

1710
02:20:59,280 --> 02:21:01,340
That's so small. I was

1711
02:21:10,400 --> 02:21:14,000
going to say, did you want to walk us through it?

1712
02:21:16,580 --> 02:21:23,100
Or for a, for a, I, for a, a level setting, what's included and what's not included is it all included already?

1713
02:21:23,840 --> 02:21:35,100
So what we included anything in here that was connected back to the CIP expenses, the from your list.

1714
02:21:35,740 --> 02:21:40,620
So if it was in the jump, so then we blow that put in the deficit amounts.

1715
02:21:41,600 --> 02:21:51,300
So the delta I think we're looking at are the other things from the list and the slide deck that we're listed as

1716
02:21:53,360 --> 02:21:55,320
or general fund,

1717
02:21:58,690 --> 02:22:03,170
what I was trying to represent with this schedule was how we moved

1718
02:22:03,170 --> 02:22:09,990
at the request of the council, what we moved in to basically creating CIP type funding projects

1719
02:22:09,990 --> 02:22:14,670
that would be reflected even though they're not part of the official CIP.

1720
02:22:15,250 --> 02:22:17,910
As a way to track the expenses for each of those.

1721
02:22:18,150 --> 02:22:20,210
So are these net news all?

1722
02:22:20,210 --> 02:22:24,310
No, the top, the top $3 million is continuing.

1723
02:22:25,490 --> 02:22:26,870
But that's what that meant.

1724
02:22:26,990 --> 02:22:28,590
But the sidewalk's not there.

1725
02:22:29,670 --> 02:22:33,490
It wasn't inclusive of everything that's in the CIP.

1726
02:22:33,770 --> 02:22:36,090
That's what I was like, where's the rest of the,

1727
02:22:36,190 --> 02:22:36,910
what is the continuing?

1728
02:22:37,110 --> 02:22:38,430
I thought there was a page saying.

1729
02:22:38,910 --> 02:22:45,510
No, so these were the things that I can't remember

1730
02:22:45,510 --> 02:22:46,670
why what we put up there.

1731
02:22:46,950 --> 02:22:49,070
But they're continuing projects because they're under,

1732
02:22:49,070 --> 02:22:51,350
their basically under way.

1733
02:22:53,360 --> 02:22:58,320
Okay, and then the 2027, the next section, or some of the things

1734
02:22:58,320 --> 02:23:04,080
we talked about at the last meeting that we said yes, we want to move forward with and those

1735
02:23:04,080 --> 02:23:12,540
are coming out of general fund reserves. Correct. And then how are those, and that's 20, 20,

1736
02:23:12,540 --> 02:23:14,560
Well, they would be for twenty-seven.

1737
02:23:14,820 --> 02:23:25,600
Twenty-seven. So the next reserve usage is to cover deficit in different years.

1738
02:23:26,040 --> 02:23:28,400
Twenty-six, twenty-seven, twenty-eight.

1739
02:23:28,500 --> 02:23:28,740
Right.

1740
02:23:35,960 --> 02:23:38,980
And all we would be doing for the, I mean, twenty-six,

1741
02:23:39,660 --> 02:23:43,240
we're going to technically need to use at the end of the year.

1742
02:23:44,280 --> 02:23:46,720
Right. That one, twenty-seven,

1743
02:23:46,720 --> 02:23:54,520
be for the budget year, so we would use that in June of 2027 if we have it whatever the

1744
02:23:54,520 --> 02:24:00,340
deficit is at that point that would be earmarked for that and then the same with 28 in June

1745
02:24:00,340 --> 02:24:08,290
of 28 we're putting aside 476,000 but we wouldn't touch that need to touch that until June 30 of

1746
02:24:09,630 --> 02:24:18,750
So just two questions if we agree to this entire list, which I don't know if we're going to do that tonight.

1747
02:24:19,550 --> 02:24:26,290
None of it is affecting our reserve policy at 40%.

1748
02:24:27,010 --> 02:24:29,250
If you recall, I had a slide.

1749
02:24:29,670 --> 02:24:38,170
It's in the presentation where I do the calculation of what the reserve policy is and what the estimated reserve balance would be at that point.

1750
02:24:38,170 --> 02:24:40,190
Let me just go back to the presentation.

1751
02:24:41,770 --> 02:24:47,410
And then library refresh being we haven't started phase one, which will be starting this fall.

1752
02:24:48,250 --> 02:24:51,490
We can always talk about phase two and three at a later date.

1753
02:24:52,550 --> 02:24:55,950
Unless we want to make a decision tonight.

1754
02:24:56,950 --> 02:24:59,790
If I may, I'm a library refresh.

1755
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:10,140
After my meeting today, there were a couple of requests to add some electrical in the teen study session in a floor outlet in a general area.

1756
02:25:10,920 --> 02:25:21,860
And if we, for those two, we're probably looking at about $20,000 max to do that. We have an explored it. We don't know what's under the ground kind of a placeholder.

1757
02:25:22,260 --> 02:25:27,820
That's the only thing I would offer up as an additional for this evening, and I just found that out today.

1758
02:25:28,960 --> 02:25:35,620
The other items we would hold, we can hold off to a later date and decide what we want to do.

1759
02:25:36,060 --> 02:25:42,860
Okay. And Dennis, I see your summary page where you say, for 2026.

1760
02:25:45,640 --> 02:25:51,560
But I mean, so my question was just the 40% like we're not close yet.

1761
02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:52,580
We're not close yet.

1762
02:25:52,740 --> 02:25:52,960
Okay.

1763
02:25:53,240 --> 02:25:55,040
We're getting, I mean, it's closer.

1764
02:25:57,740 --> 02:26:02,620
So I've got to ask you about this, so the top of this one is stuff that's continuing.

1765
02:26:04,220 --> 02:26:08,040
The 27 new are stuff we're considering adding.

1766
02:26:10,610 --> 02:26:12,070
Where does the sidewalk falling?

1767
02:26:14,130 --> 02:26:17,150
It's already funded in the existing CIP.

1768
02:26:17,870 --> 02:26:20,290
We don't have to do anything else with it.

1769
02:26:20,850 --> 02:26:23,110
But isn't that the same as the stuff in the top?

1770
02:26:24,810 --> 02:26:30,490
Not all of it, I mean, how do we delineate in the items that are included in the top side?

1771
02:26:30,550 --> 02:26:37,950
I think what I need to do is bring back the entire CIP, that way you'll see that all those are in there still, and that's easiest way to do it.

1772
02:26:38,070 --> 02:26:45,050
Yeah, because yeah, just being really clear on what are we being asked to add versus what's already there, would be really helpful.

1773
02:26:48,720 --> 02:26:53,940
Okay, because I think the new section is not even all of the new, it's just some of the new CIP, right?

1774
02:26:53,940 --> 02:27:00,680
It's the ones that are that we made projects within the CIP section in the fund because they're

1775
02:27:00,680 --> 02:27:01,940
CapEx projects.

1776
02:27:03,840 --> 02:27:04,720
I want to separate it.

1777
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:09,400
I kind of want to separate those out because what I heard last time was a desire to kind

1778
02:27:09,400 --> 02:27:15,000
of track those separately to make sure that they're kind of contained rather than just putting

1779
02:27:15,000 --> 02:27:18,820
them into a line item budget for service and supplies, for example.

1780
02:27:19,480 --> 02:27:20,340
I think that's a good idea.

1781
02:27:20,340 --> 02:27:25,000
But I would, like, you know, have completeness so that we can see it.

1782
02:27:29,380 --> 02:27:36,620
Maybe if I had another section here in between the CIP projects and the reserve usage for

1783
02:27:36,620 --> 02:27:43,460
those other things that are funded from serve for SLSF and whatnot that are on the other slide deck.

1784
02:27:44,460 --> 02:27:46,080
I would just focus on the ask, right?

1785
02:27:46,140 --> 02:27:49,320
The ask is, hey, can we spend more on these items?

1786
02:27:49,320 --> 02:27:55,520
If we change the budget, and so it's really that's the driver, you want to change it from X to Y, okay?

1787
02:27:55,660 --> 02:28:04,580
So do the walk, okay, and then you can see if we had X, here's Y, here's all the differences when you get from here to there, you could even do like a waterfall or whatever, but, okay?

1788
02:28:04,980 --> 02:28:17,880
Yeah, and then it becomes very clear because here we're like juggling between four different schedules that have different intent, like one CIP, one's not, I mean, it would just be helpful to just have a walk.

1789
02:28:17,880 --> 02:28:20,660
Okay, can do that.

1790
02:28:23,090 --> 02:28:23,310
All right.

1791
02:28:23,510 --> 02:28:29,190
So I'd like to see that before we take action,

1792
02:28:29,470 --> 02:28:31,790
because I think it makes it more clear what we're taking action on,

1793
02:28:31,890 --> 02:28:32,490
but that's my take.

1794
02:28:32,630 --> 02:28:34,030
I don't know if you guys feel hungry.

1795
02:28:34,030 --> 02:28:34,430
I agree.

1796
02:28:35,230 --> 02:28:36,330
Comfortable with that?

1797
02:28:36,570 --> 02:28:36,790
Yes.

1798
02:28:37,430 --> 02:28:37,590
Okay.

1799
02:28:37,870 --> 02:28:39,850
Well, I was ready to move on tonight.

1800
02:28:40,470 --> 02:28:41,230
You want to.

1801
02:28:41,470 --> 02:28:43,350
Wait, I understand it.

1802
02:28:43,430 --> 02:28:46,550
And I don't know that I need to see the same thing in here.

1803
02:28:46,790 --> 02:28:48,990
I don't understand that I need to see it again, please.

1804
02:28:48,990 --> 02:28:51,090
Thank you.

1805
02:28:51,490 --> 02:28:55,090
Okay, so did you have feedback that you would like to offer?

1806
02:28:56,050 --> 02:28:58,990
Okay, so I think that's.

1807
02:28:59,250 --> 02:29:03,690
I think you have what you need at this point then.

1808
02:29:03,830 --> 02:29:04,030
I do.

1809
02:29:04,310 --> 02:29:04,850
Thank you.

1810
02:29:05,050 --> 02:29:05,490
Okay, perfect.

1811
02:29:05,750 --> 02:29:06,670
Thank you.

1812
02:29:06,870 --> 02:29:07,970
All right, public comment.

1813
02:29:08,330 --> 02:29:09,590
I think we need to take public comment.

1814
02:29:09,770 --> 02:29:10,550
I did not forget.

1815
02:29:15,990 --> 02:29:16,790
No, no.

1816
02:29:16,790 --> 02:29:21,810
So, this is item 8bd.

1817
02:29:24,360 --> 02:29:29,780
We have any comment on item 8d. Seeing none, I will close public

1818
02:29:29,780 --> 02:29:40,140
comment on 8d. We will move on to 8e. Now, we will begin our workshop in a moment as we take

1819
02:29:40,140 --> 02:29:53,390
we'll take a two minute recess I don't have to but just to be fair I'll give

1820
02:29:53,390 --> 02:29:56,490
us time to address to adjust and shift gears

1821
02:30:01,990 --> 02:30:03,910
And we're still going back to the gap.

1822
02:30:05,190 --> 02:30:06,950
After, not now.

1823
02:30:10,710 --> 02:30:19,670
Okay, so we are back, I think. Yes, okay, we are back. So this is item, we are moving on to item 8e echo.

1824
02:30:20,590 --> 02:30:25,850
There's a workshop on transactions and use text and landscape maintenance to trick renewal.

1825
02:30:27,110 --> 02:30:30,330
And it's just a time, talk very quickly.

1826
02:30:30,950 --> 02:30:31,810
You got it.

1827
02:30:32,010 --> 02:30:33,350
Happy to do so.

1828
02:30:34,010 --> 02:30:36,270
So as we've been discussing for a while now,

1829
02:30:36,930 --> 02:30:41,590
1% transaction use tax, and also the LMD renewal,

1830
02:30:41,890 --> 02:30:42,890
happening simultaneously.

1831
02:30:43,970 --> 02:30:47,070
So the workshop outline that we have here,

1832
02:30:47,590 --> 02:30:49,090
revisit a little of the history,

1833
02:30:49,970 --> 02:30:53,350
options that we have for the 1% and Council direction,

1834
02:30:53,350 --> 02:30:58,870
some ballot-language options. We are not trying to lock those down tonight. This is a starting point.

1835
02:30:58,890 --> 02:31:06,350
I just want to make that clear that this is kind of towards Smith and Bill and change for both of them.

1836
02:31:06,730 --> 02:31:14,230
And talk about any changes in the LMD ordinance if there are any that this council desires to make.

1837
02:31:17,360 --> 02:31:27,780
So, as we've discussed for the last two hours, revenues are growing slower than expenses,

1838
02:31:30,220 --> 02:31:37,500
and we're burning through some money, and so, with a 1% sales tax measure, that equates

1839
02:31:37,500 --> 02:31:43,380
to a little bit over $1 million as the estimate we've received from HDL, extending the

1840
02:31:43,380 --> 02:31:51,500
the what we talked about last winter with Council with the LMD is an increase in the assessment

1841
02:31:51,500 --> 02:31:56,820
by 10%. So that is something still out there to decide.

1842
02:31:59,390 --> 02:32:02,010
So transaction use tax ordinance options.

1843
02:32:02,790 --> 02:32:08,010
Some of the things that the Council has the opportunity to discuss and decide upon

1844
02:32:08,010 --> 02:32:15,450
The length of the extension, what we talk about in the past is in perpetuity.

1845
02:32:16,410 --> 02:32:22,130
I have mentioned other meetings that there are cities that have put forth a tax measure

1846
02:32:22,130 --> 02:32:28,570
for a period of seven years, 10 years, because Amazon's coming targets coming, they're

1847
02:32:28,570 --> 02:32:30,730
going to bring in this massive revenue influx.

1848
02:32:31,170 --> 02:32:33,590
We won't need the tax measure any longer.

1849
02:32:34,450 --> 02:32:35,650
We are not that city.

1850
02:32:35,650 --> 02:32:39,250
I know I'll call Amazon tomorrow,

1851
02:32:41,730 --> 02:32:48,090
but so without the new money coming on the horizon we

1852
02:32:48,090 --> 02:32:52,310
recommend that moving forward this would be in perpetuity because there is no save

1853
02:32:52,310 --> 02:33:05,630
you're coming in terms of development or you know retail outlets, point of sale from a

1854
02:33:07,290 --> 02:33:10,170
Is there appetite for an oversight body?

1855
02:33:10,610 --> 02:33:15,370
Currently, this is a general fund taxing money goes directly to the general fund.

1856
02:33:15,790 --> 02:33:18,290
You would automatically be the oversight committee.

1857
02:33:18,970 --> 02:33:24,030
But is there interest to have a separate body as an oversight?

1858
02:33:24,350 --> 02:33:26,950
It could be a newly formed body.

1859
02:33:26,950 --> 02:33:30,290
It could be an amended FSC group.

1860
02:33:30,290 --> 02:33:32,510
It could be a variety of different things.

1861
02:33:32,510 --> 02:33:38,250
or it can be the count, that's part of the discussion.

1862
02:33:38,930 --> 02:33:40,370
And part two, that was who is the body.

1863
02:33:40,950 --> 02:33:43,490
If you're going to create a body, how many members

1864
02:33:43,490 --> 02:33:46,650
are you going to look at putting on there?

1865
02:33:47,690 --> 02:33:49,570
And what are their roles, responsibilities,

1866
02:33:49,930 --> 02:33:50,550
how often are they meeting?

1867
02:33:50,670 --> 02:33:52,090
Are they just looking at mid-year?

1868
02:33:53,090 --> 02:33:54,750
And the clothes out on the new budget?

1869
02:33:55,170 --> 02:33:56,250
What does that look like?

1870
02:33:56,290 --> 02:33:59,350
So it's a full development of the oversight.

1871
02:33:59,350 --> 02:33:59,610
I

1872
02:34:02,010 --> 02:34:09,770
will stop there and turn it over to you for discussion on those few items that I just went over.

1873
02:34:10,370 --> 02:34:11,370
Thoughts questions?

1874
02:34:11,610 --> 02:34:12,750
I do have one.

1875
02:34:13,370 --> 02:34:16,770
On the transition, transaction tax, language.

1876
02:34:17,630 --> 02:34:19,990
Is that said in stone or towards be changed?

1877
02:34:20,490 --> 02:34:21,670
This is a jumping off point.

1878
02:34:23,710 --> 02:34:25,850
We're going to workshop the hell out of that.

1879
02:34:26,070 --> 02:34:26,470
What's that?

1880
02:34:26,970 --> 02:34:28,010
We'll work hard.

1881
02:34:29,890 --> 02:34:31,730
We'll work hard.

1882
02:34:31,730 --> 02:34:35,910
need to do that. Hopefully use AI to generate this.

1883
02:34:38,600 --> 02:34:43,540
So, do you want us to answer the things on this slide now?

1884
02:34:44,580 --> 02:34:46,780
Let's give feedback. Yeah. Why feedback?

1885
02:34:48,260 --> 02:34:51,860
Anyone have any questions of staff before we talk about feedback?

1886
02:34:54,090 --> 02:34:59,970
Well, the one question I do have is the oversight body. Can you describe it?

1887
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:11,400
Rolls of what that oversight body would do, and I didn't realize it could be the council. I thought it might be community members that came together. So what does that mean oversight body?

1888
02:35:11,720 --> 02:35:16,560
It could be. Somebody's going to review that the money is being spent, where we say it's going to be spent.

1889
02:35:17,020 --> 02:35:22,340
What's your doctor? What's unique about this is it's general fund money.

1890
02:35:23,300 --> 02:35:34,180
So, yeah, it's not, so I'll use the LMD as an example, the TLC, that money has to be spent on specific things you can't pay police officers with it, right?

1891
02:35:34,580 --> 02:35:41,320
So part of the TLC mission is to review the expenditures, make sure that the money was spent inside the district for district purposes.

1892
02:35:41,920 --> 02:35:50,240
This is a little unique because it's general fund money, so there's really no strings attached to it.

1893
02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:55,540
This isn't the community body that you said could form if they want to.

1894
02:35:55,740 --> 02:35:56,120
No, no.

1895
02:35:56,240 --> 02:35:56,340
No.

1896
02:35:56,700 --> 02:35:58,280
Yeah, that's what I just want to make sure.

1897
02:35:58,680 --> 02:35:59,540
So this is after.

1898
02:35:59,840 --> 02:36:00,900
So it's after the election.

1899
02:36:01,020 --> 02:36:03,660
Why couldn't we use the finance committee?

1900
02:36:04,240 --> 02:36:04,940
Those are citizens?

1901
02:36:05,320 --> 02:36:09,080
I think it's not the discretion of the council in how we propose the language.

1902
02:36:09,540 --> 02:36:09,840
Correct.

1903
02:36:10,200 --> 02:36:14,260
But I would say having an oversight body of general fund money is silly.

1904
02:36:15,300 --> 02:36:18,360
We should have any, we should not have an oversight body.

1905
02:36:18,360 --> 02:36:23,320
because it's general fun. There is no, the only rule is that it's for legal purposes.

1906
02:36:24,640 --> 02:36:26,960
Right, what are they going to do?

1907
02:36:26,980 --> 02:36:27,500
What are they going to do?

1908
02:36:27,500 --> 02:36:28,420
Task of oversight.

1909
02:36:29,380 --> 02:36:32,620
Yeah, and I don't think people feel comfortable with it.

1910
02:36:32,620 --> 02:36:33,520
There's an oversight there.

1911
02:36:33,740 --> 02:36:34,220
Look at that.

1912
02:36:34,660 --> 02:36:35,340
I did everywhere.

1913
02:36:35,500 --> 02:36:36,120
School district.

1914
02:36:36,320 --> 02:36:39,300
Yeah, but those are specific specific purposes.

1915
02:36:39,620 --> 02:36:40,620
This is general fun.

1916
02:36:41,520 --> 02:36:45,780
So if you look at other jurisdictions who impose a general

1917
02:36:45,780 --> 02:36:51,760
fun sales tax, it's not a thing. It could be, we could do it and just have to do it.

1918
02:36:55,540 --> 02:36:59,020
I don't, I wouldn't even guess on a percentage of what cities do and don't.

1919
02:37:00,420 --> 02:37:00,700
Exactly.

1920
02:37:01,540 --> 02:37:07,260
So I don't, that would be my take. You guys can, but for a general fund that has no limit,

1921
02:37:07,960 --> 02:37:10,180
there is no restriction other than for legal purposes.

1922
02:37:13,080 --> 02:37:14,200
The oversight body has no

1923
02:37:14,200 --> 02:37:14,740
No, I do.

1924
02:37:15,580 --> 02:37:15,860
No, I do.

1925
02:37:15,860 --> 02:37:16,140
You're fine.

1926
02:37:16,460 --> 02:37:17,440
I would agree.

1927
02:37:17,660 --> 02:37:21,780
In the other thing that I would ask us to consider is every time that there's another

1928
02:37:21,780 --> 02:37:23,340
committee, that staff time.

1929
02:37:23,540 --> 02:37:28,200
So how much administrative funding is coming from that to have to oversee us, spending

1930
02:37:28,200 --> 02:37:29,440
what we're already doing.

1931
02:37:29,780 --> 02:37:30,520
That's the other component.

1932
02:37:31,620 --> 02:37:34,180
So I'm a no for an oversight committee for that purpose.

1933
02:37:34,300 --> 02:37:38,460
But could we change our mind a year from now and say, you know what, maybe we should

1934
02:37:38,460 --> 02:37:39,120
or no?

1935
02:37:39,340 --> 02:37:41,200
No, once it's on the ballot, you have to rebound.

1936
02:37:41,380 --> 02:37:42,940
Yeah, you've got to take it in the ordinance.

1937
02:37:42,940 --> 02:37:43,540
Okay,

1938
02:37:47,140 --> 02:37:49,510
so that answers the who is the body question for me

1939
02:37:52,750 --> 02:37:59,750
Except it's the length of the it's the length of the thing do we want a limited term or one in perpetuity

1940
02:37:59,750 --> 02:38:05,130
I think our cinnamon users just recommended in perpetuity, but we it's really discretionary

1941
02:38:06,910 --> 02:38:07,490
So

1942
02:38:08,330 --> 02:38:11,600
Yes, some places do I've seen that as a

1943
02:38:11,600 --> 02:38:16,180
But we're not getting an Amazon on here that we're going to need that.

1944
02:38:16,380 --> 02:38:16,700
Yeah.

1945
02:38:16,700 --> 02:38:17,280
We're going to need that.

1946
02:38:17,460 --> 02:38:18,200
It's already shown.

1947
02:38:18,420 --> 02:38:18,680
We're going to.

1948
02:38:18,680 --> 02:38:19,360
I agree.

1949
02:38:20,460 --> 02:38:21,140
In perpetuity.

1950
02:38:22,220 --> 02:38:22,880
All right, Greg.

1951
02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:23,480
Question.

1952
02:38:23,780 --> 02:38:26,940
What body were you referring to as the oversight body?

1953
02:38:27,100 --> 02:38:27,580
The finance.

1954
02:38:27,660 --> 02:38:27,960
Could be.

1955
02:38:28,120 --> 02:38:29,260
Which we already have?

1956
02:38:29,460 --> 02:38:30,420
These are finance.

1957
02:38:31,020 --> 02:38:32,400
The financial sustainability conditions.

1958
02:38:32,840 --> 02:38:34,460
Oh, you're the finance sustainability.

1959
02:38:34,820 --> 02:38:36,520
There's a different, at the different body.

1960
02:38:36,520 --> 02:38:36,880
Yeah.

1961
02:38:36,880 --> 02:38:37,420
That's the one.

1962
02:38:37,720 --> 02:38:38,040
Yes.

1963
02:38:38,040 --> 02:38:49,020
And now you have to do it, it seems to me, it's changed the scope of its authority, you know, but they would have no activity related to this because there's no limit to the use of funds.

1964
02:38:49,020 --> 02:38:50,720
You just look over and see what's happening.

1965
02:38:50,980 --> 02:38:52,460
But they could just come to a meeting.

1966
02:38:52,860 --> 02:38:53,840
Yeah, we do that.

1967
02:38:54,600 --> 02:38:57,880
They can come and speak at the podium and give their input during it.

1968
02:38:57,880 --> 02:38:58,680
It is bureaucracy.

1969
02:39:04,130 --> 02:39:05,010
All right.

1970
02:39:05,010 --> 02:39:08,730
I might only comment about this and I want to give this on the record.

1971
02:39:09,570 --> 02:39:16,570
One percent equals $1 million is optimistic in times of economic turn down.

1972
02:39:17,310 --> 02:39:21,350
People are not going to be spending and buying things in current tax.

1973
02:39:22,670 --> 02:39:33,310
So my uneducated guess is it's going to be somewhere between 400,000 to maybe 750 at the maximum.

1974
02:39:33,470 --> 02:39:34,270
That's my view.

1975
02:39:34,270 --> 02:39:37,470
You guys are more smart than I am. We should bet the line

1976
02:39:38,090 --> 02:39:38,490
Bobby

1977
02:39:40,230 --> 02:39:42,650
We should bet the line and see where the over-under is

1978
02:39:44,650 --> 02:39:55,590
Sorry, I asked you a question. I think you could give me an answer. No, I think what we the only data points that we have are our current sales tax base and

1979
02:39:56,730 --> 02:39:59,970
Rough estimate provided by who do we use for state

1980
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:02,760
HDO, there are certified smart people.

1981
02:40:02,940 --> 02:40:04,960
And we've asked them several times.

1982
02:40:05,040 --> 02:40:07,360
They are certified smart people.

1983
02:40:07,960 --> 02:40:11,740
We've asked them several times and they keep coming back with the same number, right, a million.

1984
02:40:11,960 --> 02:40:19,780
So I don't know, I mean, we obviously haven't engaged them to provide consulting services for a specific estimate.

1985
02:40:20,260 --> 02:40:23,820
But I think their general consensus was in that ballpark.

1986
02:40:25,080 --> 02:40:33,600
It may be less, it may be more, and that'll be the case for any sales taxes.

1987
02:40:33,880 --> 02:40:34,540
It is variable.

1988
02:40:35,380 --> 02:40:36,680
It's going to fluctuate.

1989
02:40:38,000 --> 02:40:41,020
Certain, a lot of spend that incur sales taxes, especially.

1990
02:40:41,780 --> 02:40:43,280
So I think, yeah.

1991
02:40:43,860 --> 02:40:44,860
So you did?

1992
02:40:45,520 --> 02:40:47,260
That's good.

1993
02:40:47,280 --> 02:40:47,480
All right.

1994
02:40:47,480 --> 02:41:01,720
In their packet sample ballot language, because you've stated in perpetuity, that will have to be included into the ballot language, because you have to state the term of the measure.

1995
02:41:03,880 --> 02:41:08,180
I'm just wondering why there was a question mark at the end. Are we asking people?

1996
02:41:08,400 --> 02:41:09,820
You are asking a question.

1997
02:41:09,940 --> 02:41:12,240
The ballot is a question.

1998
02:41:12,300 --> 02:41:13,120
It's like a question.

1999
02:41:13,120 --> 02:41:15,600
Yep, that's pretty style. Who is?

2000
02:41:19,570 --> 02:41:25,370
No, it's got a perpetuity in it because it'll either say a term of seven years, 10, whatever the term is.

2001
02:41:25,670 --> 02:41:28,070
Yeah, we'll let the lawyers tell us what's required.

2002
02:41:29,530 --> 02:41:30,010
Absolutely.

2003
02:41:31,110 --> 02:41:36,990
Do you want me to read this to you or how would you like to proceed with perceived bound language?

2004
02:41:37,530 --> 02:41:38,910
You can set up.

2005
02:41:39,210 --> 02:41:46,010
You can ask us to bring something back add something if you would like to create a short-term ad hoc,

2006
02:41:46,010 --> 02:41:49,390
We talked towards Smith the how out of this we can do that as well.

2007
02:41:49,890 --> 02:41:53,110
I turn it to you to how you would like to perceive the language.

2008
02:41:53,450 --> 02:42:03,910
The language we I would recommend we give you general guidance on the components and staff utilize their expertise to come up with language and then we bless it.

2009
02:42:04,250 --> 02:42:07,930
Like us forming a committee will do the exact same thing and take more time.

2010
02:42:08,310 --> 02:42:08,830
Agreed.

2011
02:42:09,290 --> 02:42:11,530
And what's the maximum amount of words?

2012
02:42:11,530 --> 02:42:15,030
It is Saturday, so we're at 16,000.

2013
02:42:15,870 --> 02:42:16,290
17,000.

2014
02:42:16,530 --> 02:42:16,910
Oh, what's going on?

2015
02:42:22,200 --> 02:42:23,600
We got room.

2016
02:42:24,340 --> 02:42:25,140
Can you put it?

2017
02:42:25,140 --> 02:42:26,500
Can you write it forever and ever?

2018
02:42:26,960 --> 02:42:27,160
Frick.

2019
02:42:27,860 --> 02:42:28,740
Please provide.

2020
02:42:30,320 --> 02:42:30,960
You're on song.

2021
02:42:32,220 --> 02:42:32,700
Okay.

2022
02:42:33,720 --> 02:42:34,200
So.

2023
02:42:35,040 --> 02:42:35,580
Which one?

2024
02:42:36,400 --> 02:42:37,340
This one.

2025
02:42:37,540 --> 02:42:38,420
You are.

2026
02:42:38,840 --> 02:42:38,960
Which one?

2027
02:42:39,200 --> 02:42:39,260
Yeah.

2028
02:42:39,640 --> 02:42:40,040
Oh, yeah.

2029
02:42:40,420 --> 02:42:40,760
Yeah.

2030
02:42:44,420 --> 02:42:44,560
Okay.

2031
02:42:45,340 --> 02:42:46,460
We'll move on to LMD.

2032
02:42:46,460 --> 02:42:47,920
And you want the same feedback?

2033
02:42:51,290 --> 02:42:51,690
Yes.

2034
02:42:52,170 --> 02:42:55,330
So this is the language did you change it and I can't remember?

2035
02:42:56,450 --> 02:42:56,690
No.

2036
02:42:57,310 --> 02:42:58,750
This is from 2017.

2037
02:42:59,410 --> 02:43:01,450
Ignore that one.

2038
02:43:02,030 --> 02:43:02,710
I don't think that's true.

2039
02:43:02,890 --> 02:43:04,130
We're just talking about the current.

2040
02:43:04,410 --> 02:43:05,350
We're not living in the past.

2041
02:43:05,510 --> 02:43:07,070
Like, you did this one, so.

2042
02:43:07,570 --> 02:43:08,510
I mean, I want you to drive.

2043
02:43:09,070 --> 02:43:13,370
OK, so on this one, again, we have up to 75 words.

2044
02:43:13,530 --> 02:43:15,590
So we've got a few more to do.

2045
02:43:15,590 --> 02:43:37,470
But this would add in the residential parcel amount, and then the per acre, which is our current practice for larger parcel, larger holdings, would be that they charge per acre for non-residential properties, and so this would include that language in the ballot measure itself.

2046
02:43:37,470 --> 02:43:46,030
I put in the current rate now, but one of the parts would be to add the 10 percent, that

2047
02:43:46,030 --> 02:43:51,550
language is not baked into here yet to add that new base setting, additional 10 percent

2048
02:43:51,550 --> 02:43:54,590
one time that was discussed by the Council previously.

2049
02:43:55,490 --> 02:43:57,170
So, a couple of things on this one.

2050
02:43:57,670 --> 02:44:01,750
We have a riser on the LMD every year, and this doesn't include that.

2051
02:44:02,050 --> 02:44:07,110
You know, it does not, it's in the ordinance, but it's not in the, it was not in the

2052
02:44:07,110 --> 02:44:10,970
previous balance language, and so I didn't include it this time.

2053
02:44:11,190 --> 02:44:14,850
So we're going to let the lawyers decide if it's required to put a

2054
02:44:14,850 --> 02:44:19,250
riser in the ballot language, because they didn't do it in 2017.

2055
02:44:19,570 --> 02:44:20,550
They didn't do it in 2007.

2056
02:44:21,710 --> 02:44:23,210
Well, let's not talk about that.

2057
02:44:23,250 --> 02:44:27,910
Okay, let's let's go on a go for basis if a riser is required.

2058
02:44:28,170 --> 02:44:30,390
I think that's a a question.

2059
02:44:30,990 --> 02:44:32,710
Oh, make sure of CPI or whatever.

2060
02:44:33,070 --> 02:44:34,810
Yeah, and is it a CPI?

2061
02:44:34,810 --> 02:44:41,330
That's what we haven't used so it's CPI or 3% the lower of right does this one also

2062
02:44:41,330 --> 02:44:49,130
have an as a 75 word limit or is it 70 75 okay. Yeah, so that's one

2063
02:44:52,950 --> 02:44:59,190
Where's the the acre I would rather say per parcel

2064
02:45:01,490 --> 02:45:10,690
It says, per residential parcel, or per acre, for non-essential pressure, or portion thereof, you could love it a lot of words and say per parcel.

2065
02:45:13,800 --> 02:45:21,660
So what that would do if we take out the acre thing, it would change it for non-residential properties.

2066
02:45:22,980 --> 02:45:27,440
And so that would change the dollar amounts collected.

2067
02:45:32,350 --> 02:45:38,250
How much money does that tremendous risk us losing per year by doing that?

2068
02:45:38,570 --> 02:45:46,410
I think probably overall in the city 75,000, and then we, and then we do the 10%, and so we

2069
02:45:46,410 --> 02:45:55,710
do the 10%, we're going to gain 140,000, so half of it we would be, so we're resetting

2070
02:45:55,710 --> 02:46:02,170
the base to get the amount that we need, having the riser, and then having an equal distribution

2071
02:46:05,050 --> 02:46:06,950
versus overweighting large parcels.

2072
02:46:09,350 --> 02:46:09,910
I mean, that's a disadvantage.

2073
02:46:10,430 --> 02:46:11,450
Oh, what do you mean overweighting?

2074
02:46:11,550 --> 02:46:14,310
They're paying the same amount if they have over there now.

2075
02:46:14,770 --> 02:46:19,270
If they have more acres, clearly you're going to pay more, but why would they not?

2076
02:46:21,250 --> 02:46:25,290
So that means that if you own a large parcel, you're paying a greater proportion

2077
02:46:25,290 --> 02:46:27,290
of the maintenance for not your parcel.

2078
02:46:28,210 --> 02:46:29,150
Yeah, it's for you.

2079
02:46:30,110 --> 02:46:32,190
Well, yes, that's what the calculation is.

2080
02:46:34,250 --> 02:46:36,190
But so, like, if you

2081
02:46:39,390 --> 02:46:42,010
theoretically, the assessment

2082
02:46:42,010 --> 02:46:47,830
should be connected to your ability to use the services

2083
02:46:47,830 --> 02:46:49,510
that the district is providing.

2084
02:46:51,110 --> 02:46:56,870
So, if you happen, if you own a large parcel,

2085
02:46:57,890 --> 02:47:04,310
You're going to pay more than the person next to you that's in a residential parcel.

2086
02:47:05,350 --> 02:47:06,610
That's how it's been.

2087
02:47:06,650 --> 02:47:07,630
That is how it's been.

2088
02:47:08,410 --> 02:47:10,570
Your mic is not on.

2089
02:47:11,590 --> 02:47:14,730
It will shift the balance of payment for sure.

2090
02:47:15,330 --> 02:47:15,430
Yes.

2091
02:47:17,230 --> 02:47:19,790
Which is why we're revisiting it.

2092
02:47:20,230 --> 02:47:22,730
And to see is the current balance fair?

2093
02:47:23,250 --> 02:47:23,810
Is that equitable?

2094
02:47:23,810 --> 02:47:31,210
to have someone who has a large parcel pay more without an increase in their level of use.

2095
02:47:31,410 --> 02:47:34,310
Well, when this was written in 2007,

2096
02:47:36,370 --> 02:47:40,250
they have sure the council at that time considered that.

2097
02:47:40,370 --> 02:47:42,550
Well, yeah, I'm sure they did, not saying they did.

2098
02:47:42,590 --> 02:47:48,270
And they wanted to do that because they needed that money to run that district.

2099
02:47:51,340 --> 02:47:54,460
But we had a car for argument to revisit it, right?

2100
02:47:54,580 --> 02:47:55,880
But we can revisit it, yeah.

2101
02:47:56,120 --> 02:47:58,220
So that's what I'm talking about.

2102
02:48:00,840 --> 02:48:01,840
And to

2103
02:48:04,270 --> 02:48:14,730
me, it's like, it should be a function of the usage of the services in the district.

2104
02:48:16,190 --> 02:48:21,370
That's why, like, if you're a family of four and a unit versus a family of four and a different unit,

2105
02:48:21,370 --> 02:48:23,830
You don't pay more because your house is bigger.

2106
02:48:25,170 --> 02:48:28,930
You all have access to the trails and you enjoy the benefit

2107
02:48:28,930 --> 02:48:31,490
that the assessment is supervised in terms of landscaping

2108
02:48:31,490 --> 02:48:33,130
and means that the medians and whatnot.

2109
02:48:33,950 --> 02:48:37,290
The larger, some of the larger parcels are similar.

2110
02:48:37,930 --> 02:48:41,410
They don't use more by virtue of they have a bigger property.

2111
02:48:42,470 --> 02:48:46,490
Now, that being said, we tax them more because we can.

2112
02:48:47,290 --> 02:48:50,490
But I don't necessarily think if they have money

2113
02:48:50,490 --> 02:48:53,270
and then we tax them as a good way to do assessments.

2114
02:48:53,870 --> 02:48:54,830
So that's why I just don't,

2115
02:48:54,930 --> 02:48:58,370
I think that results in an equitable result.

2116
02:49:00,220 --> 02:49:02,040
That's why, that's my take on it.

2117
02:49:03,080 --> 02:49:06,200
And so my, and I agree with you,

2118
02:49:06,420 --> 02:49:11,520
but my question is, is the 303, 72 is what we're paying now?

2119
02:49:11,840 --> 02:49:14,380
What would be actually going on the palate?

2120
02:49:15,220 --> 02:49:17,200
So I want to come back and make sure

2121
02:49:17,200 --> 02:49:19,820
we want to do the 10% riser.

2122
02:49:19,880 --> 02:49:21,280
Yeah, that's what we talked about last time.

2123
02:49:21,280 --> 02:49:29,460
Right. And so we would do that. The other thing is I need to figure out when the next CPI hits.

2124
02:49:29,460 --> 02:49:29,920
Okay.

2125
02:49:30,200 --> 02:49:31,840
And that's it.

2126
02:49:32,200 --> 02:49:36,480
So if it's in March, then it's.

2127
02:49:36,800 --> 02:49:41,600
So it doesn't show up on their bill until December for the December.

2128
02:49:42,280 --> 02:49:44,600
Trunch, right, payment deadline.

2129
02:49:45,620 --> 02:49:52,820
So they're actually like the, the, the order controller would be calculating now what that new number would be.

2130
02:49:53,160 --> 02:49:53,200
Yeah.

2131
02:49:53,200 --> 02:49:53,920
They just have a number.

2132
02:49:54,300 --> 02:49:54,820
What do we get?

2133
02:49:55,100 --> 02:49:58,880
You, I think you usually get like September October.

2134
02:49:59,780 --> 02:49:59,960
Yeah.

2135
02:50:00,500 --> 02:50:04,060
But the calculations are usually done in July and August at the county.

2136
02:50:04,900 --> 02:50:09,020
Okay, so that's why I was asking, would we use the 30370 to work?

2137
02:50:09,360 --> 02:50:17,420
I think it's the CPI. I would like to try to figure out what the CPI amount is for this year that gets added to that.

2138
02:50:17,440 --> 02:50:17,980
Got it.

2139
02:50:18,020 --> 02:50:27,900
And then add the 10% riser on top of that. If that's the council agrees to that, I did. That was a point of direction from you.

2140
02:50:27,900 --> 02:50:32,860
I think that's, I think that's fair rather than missing a year of CPI.

2141
02:50:33,440 --> 02:50:37,020
And we have these scheduled, BLSS scheduled to release CPI May 12.

2142
02:50:37,560 --> 02:50:40,200
Can we go back for a second on the parcels?

2143
02:50:41,100 --> 02:50:44,420
So did you say we would lose $75,000?

2144
02:50:46,000 --> 02:50:48,260
Yeah, that's a reasonable estimate.

2145
02:50:48,340 --> 02:50:51,170
So we would have to reduce what work we do there.

2146
02:50:52,900 --> 02:50:56,540
And there would be $75,000 less available to do work.

2147
02:50:57,540 --> 02:51:09,820
No, because we're adding the 10%, but if you add the 10%, I mean that still you if you added the 10% to everybody, then you're still missing out on 75,000.

2148
02:51:10,200 --> 02:51:12,220
Sure, but the net is not 75.

2149
02:51:12,940 --> 02:51:13,300
Negative.

2150
02:51:13,900 --> 02:51:20,140
The net of this all the activity if we do it as described would be, if you said 140 before.

2151
02:51:20,340 --> 02:51:22,480
140 would do it with a favorable.

2152
02:51:24,200 --> 02:51:30,680
there be half because there's no the baseline is now to then so it's a favorable

2153
02:51:30,680 --> 02:51:38,080
50 the two components are favorable 140 unfavorable 75 you net them and the

2154
02:51:38,080 --> 02:51:43,640
net impact of what that would be would be 50 is more than 50 or it based on just

2155
02:51:43,640 --> 02:51:50,580
using the numbers that you not 70 so it's a net but I think of all of the

2156
02:51:50,580 --> 02:51:55,840
need to wait meant that isn't getting done throughout the year, that people complain about

2157
02:51:55,840 --> 02:52:00,940
all the time, that should be getting done with that additional funding. We already know

2158
02:52:00,940 --> 02:52:05,280
that that's not getting done and it hasn't been for, because one, it was locked in for ten

2159
02:52:05,280 --> 02:52:12,820
years to never, except for the CPI, it was never increased. So we're talking 1997, prices plus

2160
02:52:12,820 --> 02:52:20,220
the CPI. This is, I understand that. I said plus the CPI. So by increasing it the 10% which

2161
02:52:20,220 --> 02:52:25,060
I agree with. Why would we not try to add more to it? And I'm not saying charts

2162
02:52:25,060 --> 02:52:30,100
and body more because because they've got to be like punish them, paper, your

2163
02:52:30,100 --> 02:52:35,800
acre. But it's not entertaining their acre. I understand that. We all, we all maintain

2164
02:52:35,800 --> 02:52:41,560
our own property. This is the trails and all of the landscaping in the city. We

2165
02:52:41,560 --> 02:52:46,780
already know that that has not been, especially the trails has not been addressed. And

2166
02:52:46,780 --> 02:52:51,100
And the weeds we can address a lot more, especially given our conditions with our insurance,

2167
02:52:51,340 --> 02:52:51,720
et cetera.

2168
02:52:52,260 --> 02:52:55,620
I'm talking to all the homeowners in the new fire maps.

2169
02:52:56,140 --> 02:52:58,900
Why would we try to get ahead of that in the next 10 years when we know it's not going

2170
02:52:58,900 --> 02:52:59,620
to get any better?

2171
02:53:00,380 --> 02:53:03,180
I think that we should have that extra money coming in.

2172
02:53:03,500 --> 02:53:04,900
Why would we lead money on the table?

2173
02:53:05,020 --> 02:53:06,300
I guess is a best way to say it.

2174
02:53:06,840 --> 02:53:09,060
It's not that we're underfunded.

2175
02:53:09,280 --> 02:53:10,380
I'd say we were underfunded.

2176
02:53:10,460 --> 02:53:12,040
I think there's work we can't do.

2177
02:53:12,220 --> 02:53:13,760
We're working within our means.

2178
02:53:14,180 --> 02:53:15,700
We would have more means by doing this.

2179
02:53:15,700 --> 02:53:32,660
But would we do, I mean we need to use the money that we have now, right, including money that we've left on the table the last couple of years and maybe that means hiring other contractors, maybe that means.

2180
02:53:32,900 --> 02:53:40,820
Yeah, I mean to me it's a fair and it's not necessarily should we do more question, like we should always, we could always do more.

2181
02:53:40,820 --> 02:53:48,800
The question is, how do we fund it, and how do we fund it in a way that's fair?

2182
02:53:50,100 --> 02:53:57,800
So if we want more money or we need more money to do more work, then we all share in that

2183
02:53:57,800 --> 02:53:58,200
burden.

2184
02:53:59,580 --> 02:54:03,280
The way that it works out now is we don't share equally in the burden.

2185
02:54:04,260 --> 02:54:09,740
So if we also need to decide we should have X amount of funding, that's fine.

2186
02:54:09,740 --> 02:54:15,360
we set X amount, or we have X plus Y, whatever happens to be, we can establish what that target

2187
02:54:15,360 --> 02:54:21,440
funding level is. The target is independent of the methodology that which we acquire it. So,

2188
02:54:21,740 --> 02:54:25,920
if we say it should be X, we could just say, well, I'm going to take it often on Dennis.

2189
02:54:26,980 --> 02:54:32,500
That would be unfair, and Dennis should not bear the burden of the entire cost. We should all do it equally.

2190
02:54:33,460 --> 02:54:39,300
But when you say, right now, we're not, we're all not sharing in the, in the same cost, we do currently.

2191
02:54:39,740 --> 02:54:47,560
No, what do you how do we not so if you own a large parcel you're one person are you talking about the new verbiage because currently right now

2192
02:54:47,560 --> 02:54:52,120
It's no in the current verbiage. If you own one like

2193
02:54:55,900 --> 02:54:58,820
Residential parcel you pay a flat rate

2194
02:55:00,700 --> 02:55:10,460
Okay? Okay. If you own a commercial parcel, you're still one person and it's larger, you calculate by acre.

2195
02:55:10,800 --> 02:55:16,840
No, no, I thought you guys are going to have to explain to me then because I'm looking at page 75 or six in this presentation.

2196
02:55:17,580 --> 02:55:23,420
It reads presently. Well, this is how it was in 2017, I guess. Yeah, 2017.

2197
02:55:26,000 --> 02:55:31,360
$234 per year per residential and non-residential parcel or fraction thereof.

2198
02:55:31,660 --> 02:55:34,320
How is that not everybody's paying the same price per parcel?

2199
02:55:37,060 --> 02:55:40,260
This is the language that was on the ballot.

2200
02:55:41,780 --> 02:55:46,560
And it's not the way it's assessed, so who's assessing it?

2201
02:55:48,380 --> 02:55:54,460
So who's assessing it is the is frankly the order controller because they're the ones

2202
02:55:54,460 --> 02:56:03,900
I don't know if you're a programmer, but they're following the ordinance and it's in the ordinance that lays out for non-commercial, it's by acre.

2203
02:56:04,840 --> 02:56:07,440
Okay, so the ordinance has page.

2204
02:56:07,440 --> 02:56:08,720
I guess that it's language.

2205
02:56:09,360 --> 02:56:10,520
That's why I was like, what do you mean?

2206
02:56:10,640 --> 02:56:13,820
Sorry, I did not provide the appropriate context.

2207
02:56:14,400 --> 02:56:22,520
If it were this language here, $x per residential and non-residential parcel, that's okay.

2208
02:56:22,520 --> 02:56:26,640
Because that's the intent or that is the result.

2209
02:56:27,760 --> 02:56:30,340
But in the way that the current ordinance is,

2210
02:56:30,360 --> 02:56:32,800
it creates that discrepancy.

2211
02:56:34,400 --> 02:56:37,800
And the ordinance is what the order controller use it.

2212
02:56:37,800 --> 02:56:38,740
It's not the order controller, sorry.

2213
02:56:42,230 --> 02:56:46,810
So the county assessor, they assess the property value.

2214
02:56:47,570 --> 02:56:49,930
The order controller puts all the fees on.

2215
02:56:50,390 --> 02:56:52,830
So back in 1997, sorry, really quick.

2216
02:56:52,830 --> 02:57:04,650
So I can, yeah, back in 1997 when this was originally put in our ordinance stated what's on page 7, the per acre for non-residential,

2217
02:57:07,480 --> 02:57:10,040
it's in the 76, it's 7, it's yet.

2218
02:57:12,390 --> 02:57:14,830
No, that's the proposal.

2219
02:57:16,030 --> 02:57:19,850
I'm going to lose my mind. Okay, so, so.

2220
02:57:19,870 --> 02:57:21,110
You're not, you're not on.

2221
02:57:21,290 --> 02:57:23,090
Help, I need you to, okay.

2222
02:57:23,570 --> 02:57:24,410
Let's slow down.

2223
02:57:24,410 --> 02:57:31,610
Okay. What is on page 75? So the page before this one, it's a page six in the presentation deck.

2224
02:57:32,270 --> 02:57:37,410
Yes. Can you go out one slide so we can change page 2017 page? Yes. Okay.

2225
02:57:37,430 --> 02:57:42,630
This one. Yes. There it is. Okay. Sorry. So that was written in the ballot.

2226
02:57:43,810 --> 02:57:50,610
And my question is was that was that language ever in our ordinance? That's the first question.

2227
02:57:51,250 --> 02:57:55,650
And if you don't know the answer to that, I guess the better way to ask it is, is the language

2228
02:57:55,650 --> 02:58:05,710
that is on the following page page seven where it breaks out parcel versus acre, which I was just told was in our ordinance.

2229
02:58:05,910 --> 02:58:07,390
When did that go in the ordinance?

2230
02:58:07,930 --> 02:58:13,850
Okay, so in the ordinance adopted within 2017.

2231
02:58:13,850 --> 02:58:15,850
17, thank you.

2232
02:58:16,850 --> 02:58:19,010
This is exactly the ballot language.

2233
02:58:19,170 --> 02:58:22,870
This is what the voters saw on their ballot, the day they voted.

2234
02:58:22,950 --> 02:58:24,910
But in the voter guide was the ordinance.

2235
02:58:25,910 --> 02:58:35,130
And the voter guide in the ordinance allowed for this different rate for commercial and residential property.

2236
02:58:35,130 --> 02:58:48,770
And that's where it established, used the same dollar amount per parcel for residential and per acre for non-residential in the ordinance.

2237
02:58:48,910 --> 02:58:49,830
Who wrote the order?

2238
02:58:49,930 --> 02:58:51,490
I was just gonna say.

2239
02:58:51,490 --> 02:58:54,910
I would have been different than measure eight.

2240
02:58:55,470 --> 02:58:57,290
I mean, why would it be different than measure?

2241
02:58:59,290 --> 02:59:02,590
I'm gonna always blame the lawyers.

2242
02:59:02,590 --> 02:59:04,790
I'm going to, I was in Santa Barbara.

2243
02:59:06,450 --> 02:59:08,030
That is a city ordinance.

2244
02:59:08,090 --> 02:59:09,250
That is a city ordinance.

2245
02:59:09,270 --> 02:59:09,350
That is a city ordinance.

2246
02:59:09,350 --> 02:59:10,710
Pass by a city council.

2247
02:59:10,870 --> 02:59:11,350
Yes, sir.

2248
02:59:11,590 --> 02:59:13,230
And they had a reason to do it.

2249
02:59:13,230 --> 02:59:15,870
And it was approved technically was approved by the voters.

2250
02:59:16,170 --> 02:59:17,290
Yeah, approved by the voters.

2251
02:59:18,510 --> 02:59:20,870
So I'm going to go back to why would we change it.

2252
02:59:20,870 --> 02:59:24,770
Then if it was approved by the voters, why would we change it?

2253
02:59:25,290 --> 02:59:31,990
So the so in on slide seven now, this is just something we mocked up for

2254
02:59:31,990 --> 02:59:33,190
discussion today.

2255
02:59:35,590 --> 02:59:42,670
And I thought this was a way to put before the voters, clear or language

2256
02:59:42,670 --> 02:59:49,950
about what the ordinance actually says in practice. And that's why I made this slide edit

2257
02:59:49,950 --> 02:59:57,830
and that's why I highlighted it as an edit that actually better describes what the practice

2258
02:59:57,830 --> 02:59:59,970
Yes, because I think real listen

2259
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:26,840
Mostly all the voters will read the ballot language. Yes, but they're not going to read all of the ordinance language. I could be available to them. And I would say, as a good citizen, they should, however, maybe not. So if we, like, the intent or the ballot language in the prior iteration was not consistent with the ordinance.

2260
03:00:27,660 --> 03:00:39,840
So I'm okay with keeping the bow language and changing the ordinance or some form to get to the result where the parcels are treated equally.

2261
03:00:43,210 --> 03:00:45,390
That would be my...

2262
03:00:46,210 --> 03:00:51,570
And how many non-residential parcels are we talking about? Do we know?

2263
03:00:54,940 --> 03:00:55,240
You know,

2264
03:00:58,430 --> 03:01:01,210
I don't think it's even three figures. I want to say it's 90.

2265
03:01:01,210 --> 03:01:12,050
Okay, you know, and what's what's interesting on that is because it's the language or

2266
03:01:12,050 --> 03:01:26,230
fraction thereof. So if let's say their parcel is 0.10 acres, they would pay 0.10 of the 303.72 this year.

2267
03:01:27,210 --> 03:01:30,110
So, there's so they don't, there's so put some takes.

2268
03:01:30,550 --> 03:01:33,290
Yes, there's give, gives and takes in, from there.

2269
03:01:33,290 --> 03:01:34,370
The parcel is cleaner.

2270
03:01:34,510 --> 03:01:37,410
Yeah, just make it per parcel and then everyone's on the same footing.

2271
03:01:38,150 --> 03:01:48,830
So that will be an increase for a number of, let's say, the downtown businesses would see a modest increase.

2272
03:01:51,050 --> 03:01:55,970
But outside of that, where there are larger assemblies of parcels,

2273
03:01:58,190 --> 03:02:04,490
then and eight and so the acres would add up, you know, they would see a significant decrease.

2274
03:02:12,400 --> 03:02:19,060
So, yeah, I mean, so she was making a point that it's not a proportional benefit.

2275
03:02:20,960 --> 03:02:25,540
It's not a proportional benefit, it's a flat rate, just like it is for all the residential

2276
03:02:25,540 --> 03:02:26,040
parcels.

2277
03:02:26,520 --> 03:02:27,360
That's the idea.

2278
03:02:29,380 --> 03:02:36,520
Maybe the key point of the residential parcels are typically more uniform in size.

2279
03:02:44,330 --> 03:02:48,730
I'm actually trying to look up our ordinance on our website and I can't find it.

2280
03:02:49,230 --> 03:02:52,410
Can we think on this one?

2281
03:02:52,410 --> 03:03:00,250
thing. Okay. Yeah. We don't have to make a decision tonight. And Dennis and I can work on

2282
03:03:00,250 --> 03:03:04,810
other idea. Other options or anything, a hybrid that we could, I don't know. Okay.

2283
03:03:04,810 --> 03:03:11,210
Look at some. Yeah. And it would be nice. I mean, I hate to give you more work, Dennis. But

2284
03:03:11,210 --> 03:03:17,210
I would like to know how many non-residential, how they would be affected versus what they're

2285
03:03:17,210 --> 03:03:21,110
already currently paying. And that's the part that if this is what they're already paying,

2286
03:03:21,110 --> 03:03:25,810
Why are we changing it? Do you see what I mean? They've been doing it for 10 years. What is the problem?

2287
03:03:26,310 --> 03:03:28,770
Now, that's what I'm wrinkling.

2288
03:03:29,970 --> 03:03:31,130
They've been doing it for 10 years.

2289
03:03:32,090 --> 03:03:37,150
If there's a history of inequity, it's never wrong to revisit and say it should be more echoed.

2290
03:03:37,150 --> 03:03:42,030
I don't disagree, but I don't disagree, but I don't see anybody complaining about it.

2291
03:03:42,170 --> 03:03:45,890
And I'm trying to understand why we would do that now.

2292
03:03:46,130 --> 03:03:48,350
Again, I'm going to go back to leaving money on the table.

2293
03:03:49,150 --> 03:03:57,070
it's their commercial properties and there are residents. They're not equal. I don't think

2294
03:03:57,070 --> 03:04:04,190
that they should be equal. They're different entities. I get see if you were saying, you know,

2295
03:04:04,250 --> 03:04:08,410
that guy up there on the big hill has a larger house he should pay more. We're not doing that.

2296
03:04:08,990 --> 03:04:15,540
It's their different entities. Different structures. So why would they pay more? So do they

2297
03:04:15,540 --> 03:04:22,840
more of a benefit. If there is. Sure. If they are, I mean, use the trails, for example,

2298
03:04:23,320 --> 03:04:27,220
if they have more of a footprint towards the trails, then yes, they should pay for more

2299
03:04:27,220 --> 03:04:31,620
of that maintenance for those to be maintained. They take for their own property. This is

2300
03:04:31,620 --> 03:04:35,640
no. I'm not talking about their property. We're talking about the LMD, right? Isn't that

2301
03:04:35,640 --> 03:04:42,500
of this for? Right. So you've got all of the city fronting spaces and you have all of the trails

2302
03:04:42,500 --> 03:04:47,700
that have to be maintained. If those properties that happen to be commercial properties are

2303
03:04:47,700 --> 03:04:54,320
fronting more of that or the trails, they should pay more. Why? Why wouldn't they?

2304
03:04:54,440 --> 03:04:58,400
Because they have no greater use of it. But they've got people who could be coming through those areas,

2305
03:04:58,580 --> 03:04:59,960
maintain them more. We, we may.

2306
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:05,140
We're maintaining them for them, but they have more of a footprint there. Why wouldn't they?

2307
03:05:06,040 --> 03:05:17,900
That was been my argument. I agree with you. If I'm coming down, Clayton wrote a word of the golf course to play golf, and that's all I have passed as weeds and rocks to get there, I take a bad look at that town.

2308
03:05:17,920 --> 03:05:22,780
But if it's nicely kept, it's a compliment to the golf course.

2309
03:05:23,040 --> 03:05:28,100
Those commercial properties are drawing people to the town. That's right. That's my argument for it.

2310
03:05:28,100 --> 03:05:38,300
Well, and they're paying taxes for that and sure yeah, okay. I'm I'm going to sleep on it. Yeah

2311
03:05:39,220 --> 03:05:47,460
So yeah, we can move through the the options length of extension ten years again same as prior

2312
03:05:48,860 --> 03:05:49,560
Extensions

2313
03:05:50,260 --> 03:05:56,720
Yes, yeah, okay people like the ten years what's that I think people like the ten years yeah

2314
03:05:57,640 --> 03:06:00,920
We'll skip the base because we need to do some more work on that.

2315
03:06:01,080 --> 03:06:07,500
Oversight right now is the TLC, maintaining the TLC the next question is the number of members

2316
03:06:07,500 --> 03:06:11,420
in the TLC, if there's any adjustment or amendment there, or any change you want to make

2317
03:06:11,420 --> 03:06:12,240
to that body?

2318
03:06:15,840 --> 03:06:18,980
I don't know where did a lead then ever come from?

2319
03:06:19,000 --> 03:06:22,750
Just as a five.

2320
03:06:23,650 --> 03:06:30,730
Well, this would take effect after it goes in the collection because it'll match the

2321
03:06:30,730 --> 03:06:32,850
boardets will be the timeline in the cadence of

2322
03:06:32,850 --> 03:06:38,210
was that July 1st, 2027, because I think it sunsets June 30.

2323
03:06:39,430 --> 03:06:41,630
It would be July 1st. Yep.

2324
03:06:42,430 --> 03:06:42,470
Yeah.

2325
03:06:42,510 --> 03:06:43,450
Because this is on five.

2326
03:06:43,490 --> 03:06:44,410
It doesn't matter to me.

2327
03:06:44,570 --> 03:06:45,090
It's been 11.

2328
03:06:46,190 --> 03:06:48,290
Well, I would like to know the rationale for making it five.

2329
03:06:48,570 --> 03:06:50,770
I think it's just hard to get a form.

2330
03:06:51,030 --> 03:06:51,610
Hard to get.

2331
03:06:51,930 --> 03:06:52,190
Yeah.

2332
03:06:52,390 --> 03:06:53,130
There hasn't been.

2333
03:06:53,230 --> 03:06:55,450
It hasn't been hard to get a form only a couple times.

2334
03:06:55,890 --> 03:06:57,470
All the other times we've had the meeting.

2335
03:06:57,470 --> 03:07:04,510
need a couple times. Correct. Well, they meet more now. But there was only last summer when we

2336
03:07:04,510 --> 03:07:08,610
couldn't get a corps. I think there were two times when we couldn't. Maybe two.

2337
03:07:08,610 --> 03:07:17,650
Our financial sustainability committee is set at five. I just, I don't see the reason for 11 people.

2338
03:07:18,030 --> 03:07:20,990
I think the larger group makes it more unwieldy. Yeah.

2339
03:07:20,990 --> 03:07:25,710
I don't think you're supposed to have an opinion, sir.

2340
03:07:26,090 --> 03:07:28,250
Uh-huh.

2341
03:07:32,920 --> 03:07:36,140
One is to feel, you need to, you need to odd number.

2342
03:07:36,740 --> 03:07:38,840
Three, you could run into issues.

2343
03:07:39,900 --> 03:07:42,980
Five is the next lowest. It should be the lowest number.

2344
03:07:43,960 --> 03:07:45,480
So that'd be my team.

2345
03:07:45,560 --> 03:07:47,240
Maybe an alternate future too.

2346
03:07:49,080 --> 03:07:50,340
I don't know if you could do that.

2347
03:07:52,000 --> 03:07:53,540
I don't know if it's necessary.

2348
03:07:53,540 --> 03:07:54,380
I don't know if that's a lie.

2349
03:07:54,380 --> 03:07:55,060
I don't know if that's a lie.

2350
03:07:55,160 --> 03:07:55,280
I don't know if that's a lie.

2351
03:07:55,720 --> 03:07:55,980
I don't know if that's a lie.

2352
03:07:56,220 --> 03:07:57,540
I think, because a lot of the ones I want to do

2353
03:07:57,540 --> 03:07:58,320
would go dig in the history.

2354
03:07:58,540 --> 03:07:59,380
If it were what they had 11.

2355
03:08:00,500 --> 03:08:00,820
Yeah, 11.

2356
03:08:00,960 --> 03:08:01,720
I want to know.

2357
03:08:01,820 --> 03:08:02,800
I want to dig in the history.

2358
03:08:02,800 --> 03:08:04,440
I want to dig in the history because they had, when they

2359
03:08:04,440 --> 03:08:06,720
formed that landscape trail, that was going to be big.

2360
03:08:06,740 --> 03:08:07,740
They wanted more people.

2361
03:08:08,040 --> 03:08:08,340
Oh, possibly.

2362
03:08:09,040 --> 03:08:09,660
First formed.

2363
03:08:10,420 --> 03:08:12,060
It was called the Community Service Commission.

2364
03:08:12,240 --> 03:08:13,000
I think I told you.

2365
03:08:13,220 --> 03:08:14,500
I was one of the original members.

2366
03:08:14,680 --> 03:08:18,220
It was five of us, and for that's before in the last case.

2367
03:08:18,220 --> 03:08:22,340
So we had other things to do, but not landscape game.

2368
03:08:22,760 --> 03:08:25,740
I think they thought that was a huge, it was a big debate.

2369
03:08:25,740 --> 03:08:26,860
They figured they needed more.

2370
03:08:27,440 --> 03:08:29,520
You still currently in your municipal ordinance

2371
03:08:29,520 --> 03:08:31,420
have a committee services commission,

2372
03:08:31,960 --> 03:08:34,320
because it is not an existence.

2373
03:08:35,160 --> 03:08:40,460
So there could be a reworking of TLC in this commission.

2374
03:08:40,900 --> 03:08:42,700
It's, but again, that's policy decisions

2375
03:08:42,700 --> 03:08:44,100
that we can bring back in our discussion.

2376
03:08:44,500 --> 03:08:45,040
That'd be great.

2377
03:08:45,480 --> 03:08:46,040
Thank you.

2378
03:09:00,090 --> 03:09:08,930
The last piece on this, we were just trying to sauce out with you about whether you want to keep the description of the district the same.

2379
03:09:10,030 --> 03:09:14,690
Is there anything you want to add subtract multiplier divide in this?

2380
03:09:15,450 --> 03:09:17,430
Just keep it the same.

2381
03:09:18,090 --> 03:09:20,210
I have no changes unless you have recommendations.

2382
03:09:21,270 --> 03:09:28,710
I would keep it as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as that's, that's, that's, it, it,

2383
03:09:28,790 --> 03:09:33,650
it doesn't say how often that work will be done. That's all determined by the amount of funding

2384
03:09:33,650 --> 03:09:37,170
that that this is, the purpose of the district basically. Okay.

2385
03:09:40,090 --> 03:09:42,330
And then next steps going through

2386
03:09:42,330 --> 03:09:46,890
that calendar. I'm not going to read that to you. It's in your packet. Kind of the timeline

2387
03:09:46,890 --> 03:09:50,410
of what we're doing. We've got to know the number third. And we will bring back some of

2388
03:09:50,410 --> 03:09:52,230
items as you have requested.

2389
03:09:54,710 --> 03:09:58,790
So I'll turn it over to you for any questions or a public comment.

2390
03:10:01,100 --> 03:10:08,500
You hear that? I personally feel like my thunder. It's late. I'm trying to be of assistance. Okay. Public comment?

2391
03:10:09,980 --> 03:10:10,860
Oh, please.

2392
03:10:15,000 --> 03:10:24,800
Thank you for going into detail over all that. I didn't know what the L&D was. Prior to tonight trying to find out online. There's a lot of words that go around and I wasn't quite sure.

2393
03:10:24,800 --> 03:10:26,200
for five years.

2394
03:10:26,740 --> 03:10:28,740
I have $303.

2395
03:10:29,840 --> 03:10:30,900
Just a little business.

2396
03:10:32,380 --> 03:10:36,520
Some ideas I've had based off of your dialogue tonight.

2397
03:10:37,280 --> 03:10:40,620
I do agree that commercial properties are different than residential properties.

2398
03:10:42,240 --> 03:10:48,120
They, because they are not supplying a place for people to live,

2399
03:10:48,320 --> 03:10:51,500
who would then use the trails, maybe they should, for that reason,

2400
03:10:51,500 --> 03:10:54,340
pays slightly more, based off their size.

2401
03:10:54,920 --> 03:11:01,820
And because I think a lot of businesses in downtown Clayton are smaller, it's actually

2402
03:11:01,820 --> 03:11:07,120
rewarding them for being local, small businesses by having them pay less since they're

2403
03:11:07,120 --> 03:11:07,880
paying by acre.

2404
03:11:09,220 --> 03:11:16,140
I would like to see as a resident of Clayton a breakdown of all of the commercial properties

2405
03:11:17,080 --> 03:11:19,240
so that I can more easily make that decision.

2406
03:11:19,240 --> 03:11:24,220
This is just going off of my intuition and walking around the neighborhood, but I would like to see that data.

2407
03:11:24,640 --> 03:11:29,600
So if that would be easily, if that could be provided to the members of Clayton that would be greatly appreciated.

2408
03:11:34,300 --> 03:11:36,740
I guess that's all I have about this specific issue right now.

2409
03:11:36,760 --> 03:11:37,400
I have other issues.

2410
03:11:37,600 --> 03:11:40,460
You have your whole time you can talk about whatever you want.

2411
03:11:40,680 --> 03:11:41,300
Well, thank you.

2412
03:11:41,640 --> 03:11:43,280
Okay. Well, if that's the case.

2413
03:11:44,260 --> 03:11:48,540
There was a lot of discussion tonight about one time uses of specific funds.

2414
03:11:48,540 --> 03:11:58,200
I think it would be interesting as a resident to see possibly a list of revenue generating

2415
03:11:58,200 --> 03:12:00,280
sources for those one time uses.

2416
03:12:00,560 --> 03:12:06,000
So I'm thinking of the baseball field, adding a baseball diamond to the fields, could

2417
03:12:06,000 --> 03:12:08,880
possibly a revenue generating source.

2418
03:12:09,420 --> 03:12:16,340
I'm just curious if there was a way for the public to be involved in coming for ideas for

2419
03:12:16,340 --> 03:12:23,580
new revenue-creating sources to use those funds instead of just using them on something that,

2420
03:12:24,480 --> 03:12:29,460
I don't know, that's the one-time use and maybe it doesn't draw in more people to the

2421
03:12:29,460 --> 03:12:39,200
neighborhood to spend money or more options for people to like reserve, picnic tables or do

2422
03:12:39,200 --> 03:12:45,260
we have tennis courts that we can add or a soccer field where people could reserve it and

2423
03:12:45,260 --> 03:12:48,460
spend money and it could be a long-term revenue generator.

2424
03:12:50,640 --> 03:12:51,460
Okay, I think that's all I have.

2425
03:12:51,580 --> 03:12:52,560
Thank you so much, Council.

2426
03:12:53,220 --> 03:12:53,940
Thank you.

2427
03:12:56,200 --> 03:13:01,120
I would just say property tax roles in the assessments

2428
03:13:01,120 --> 03:13:03,860
of each there in is public information.

2429
03:13:04,240 --> 03:13:07,520
So we should be able to get a table that shows very clearly.

2430
03:13:10,700 --> 03:13:13,100
Yeah, I think that's a lot of things that I'm asking for.

2431
03:13:18,160 --> 03:13:20,620
Okay, so no other public comment,

2432
03:13:20,620 --> 03:13:22,420
a closing public comment on item

2433
03:13:26,100 --> 03:13:27,280
eight.

2434
03:13:28,400 --> 03:13:29,200
Thank you.

2435
03:13:29,280 --> 03:13:29,360
Thank you.

2436
03:13:29,360 --> 03:13:29,720
Is it eight?

2437
03:13:30,960 --> 03:13:31,360
Okay.

2438
03:13:32,420 --> 03:13:32,680
All right.

2439
03:13:33,240 --> 03:13:37,560
So does staff have sufficient direction?

2440
03:13:38,900 --> 03:13:40,520
And is our expectation that we were coming back

2441
03:13:40,520 --> 03:13:42,340
at this at our next meeting to talk again?

2442
03:13:42,480 --> 03:13:44,560
Or when is the next time we will talk again?

2443
03:13:45,480 --> 03:13:45,960
Future meeting.

2444
03:13:46,080 --> 03:13:46,980
We need to look at the schedule.

2445
03:13:47,160 --> 03:13:47,780
What we have.

2446
03:13:48,140 --> 03:13:48,160
Okay.

2447
03:13:48,440 --> 03:13:54,280
Because I'm looking at the, I'm looking at the

2448
03:13:54,280 --> 03:13:56,440
language and there's only one meeting between them.

2449
03:13:57,420 --> 03:14:00,480
So are we coming back with this at, I'll, I'll re-ass the question.

2450
03:14:00,640 --> 03:14:02,680
We have to come back with this at our next meeting.

2451
03:14:03,080 --> 03:14:04,200
You have to.

2452
03:14:04,260 --> 03:14:06,920
You said that May 19th, the ballot language is due.

2453
03:14:07,040 --> 03:14:08,660
No, no, no, no, no.

2454
03:14:08,740 --> 03:14:11,040
We were, we were, we were, we were not getting the money.

2455
03:14:11,560 --> 03:14:12,540
No, no, no, no, no.

2456
03:14:12,540 --> 03:14:13,860
No, no, no, no.

2457
03:14:13,860 --> 03:14:14,240
We were not getting the money.

2458
03:14:14,240 --> 03:14:14,280
OK.

2459
03:14:15,760 --> 03:14:17,840
Yes, we have August 7.

2460
03:14:18,100 --> 03:14:18,740
Yes, we have time.

2461
03:14:19,400 --> 03:14:19,740
OK.

2462
03:14:20,080 --> 03:14:20,800
I'm Miss Red.

2463
03:14:21,660 --> 03:14:22,640
Well, that's confusing.

2464
03:14:23,780 --> 03:14:29,100
So I think the intent of the schedule was to bring back, based on your direction, something

2465
03:14:29,100 --> 03:14:31,400
more for finalized than what we had today.

2466
03:14:31,480 --> 03:14:33,140
Today was to talk about it.

2467
03:14:33,840 --> 03:14:36,380
So we will talk about this again on May 19th.

2468
03:14:39,800 --> 03:14:40,920
I'm just going by your calendar.

2469
03:14:43,420 --> 03:14:44,160
We can do that.

2470
03:14:44,400 --> 03:14:44,520
All right.

2471
03:14:44,760 --> 03:14:48,420
So we will not talk about this on May the 5th.

2472
03:14:51,620 --> 03:14:51,820
Sure.

2473
03:14:51,880 --> 03:14:53,240
We'll have other things to talk about.

2474
03:14:53,240 --> 03:14:53,420
Sure.

2475
03:14:53,740 --> 03:14:54,020
All right.

2476
03:14:54,280 --> 03:14:54,300
Cool.

2477
03:14:54,680 --> 03:14:56,660
So that is the last item on the regular agenda.

2478
03:14:56,820 --> 03:14:59,260
And I will adjourn and turn back over.

2479
03:14:59,260 --> 03:14:59,960
See you.

2480
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:06,200
For a guide chair to continue the item that we did not talk about about the guide at the beginning of

2481
03:15:06,200 --> 03:15:10,460
day. He probably needs a moment to switch over to do the recording correctly.

2482
03:15:12,480 --> 03:15:12,880
Peace out.