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All right, it is 7 o'clock on Tuesday, May 5th, and I will call the regular council meeting the order.

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First item of business is the roll call.

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Mayor One.

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Okay.

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Vice Mayor Anya.

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I'm here.

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Council member Diaz.

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Council member Tillman.

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Here.

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Council member Trippiano.

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I'm here.

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We have a quorum.

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Excellent. Next, if you join me for the pledge release,

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do the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, which stands one nation underground in the middle of the world with liberty and justice from.

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All right, those item two. Next is item three public comment on non agenda items.

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One moment.

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If anyone has any comment on non-agenda item now, is the time?

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Seeing none, I'll close public comment.

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I know if next is consent calendar.

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There are two items.

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Does anyone have anything that they would like to book?

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Seeing none.

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A or B.

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Or B.

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Council Member Diaz indicated for B.

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I'd like to hear a little bit more.

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Chris and I talked about this.

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And apparently, whatever services we receive from other vendors, we weren't able to do everything.

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And so therefore we had to go back and bring in a former vendor.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm happy to describe what the circumstances were.

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So we have been working with the new Weed Abatement Contractor this year.

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us to us out of San Ramone doing a great job staffing troubles to the point where they could

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not put four people out there doing the weed abatement up in the areas of the open space

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until two weeks ago before that had been a two-person team out there. That was making us fall behind

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or plan for how the weed debate was going to happen, and so I went and talked to Warren or who is our former weed abatement company.

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They had ranked number three in the RFP we did a year ago for those weed services and they agreed to take the same fees that S2S took for this particular contract.

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Tell me this, did they, why would we, what do we complete their contract before?

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What, had they completed everything up to that point or were they no longer a competitive

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bidder on future work?

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So are you talking about for Warner?

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So I think the decision had been made that it had not been put out to bid for a number

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of years for that particular contract.

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There was also some ambiguity about the contract when I did the research about there was

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seem to have been a scope creep on the one contract that didn't fully kind of incorporate

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all the responsibilities that they were now charging the cities for for frankly.

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And so we decided to put that out for bid and all that it wasn't anything other than that

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and so they were free to submit a proposal as well during that RFP process a year ago.

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I just curious because I know they were a major contractor for us for a number of years and I know we invested a heck of a lot of money with them in the service was satisfactory.

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I would say it's satisfactory and we did ask them to do a couple things under Chris's signature authority under the 30,000.

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here to get us frankly caught up here in the spring.

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The hillside below the elementary school, you'll notice was a major job done by them.

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They got a whole bunch of invasive species out of there as well as getting around all the weeds

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and everything else.

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So I think they really stepped up at a critical time for us and got that done.

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As you'll see in a report, we'll provide a little bit later on about the status of all

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the weed abatement projects that we're going to be taking it right up to the June 1st

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line more or less. So this is going to be a critical piece to help us get there.

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Okay. Thank you.

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The only thing that I would comment on is you had mentioned that there's

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like a plan for this and you got alluded to it for later. And I think in the past couple of meetings

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we've asked for an overall project plan for the general beautification type efforts. Is that forthcoming?

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Is there anything for you today? Is there any agenda packet? It is not in the agenda packet. It was being worked on today. So, okay, as part of the city manager's report.

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Okay, perfect. And then weekly after it will be something that we could perfect. Okay, cool things.

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All right, any other comment on the consent calendar? Okay, public comment on consent calendar?

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Seeing none, close public comment, and bring it back to Council for a motion.

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I'll move for a room.

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I'll second.

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If we could take the roll.

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Council member Diaz?

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Council member Tillman?

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Aye.

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Council member Trippiano?

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Vice Mayor Anya?

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Mayor One?

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Right.

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The motion carries 5-0.

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All right.

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And with that we move on to item 5A, this is a presentation.

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and a proclamation recognized in May 10th through 16th as National Police Week and May 15th as Peace Officers Memorial Day here in the city of Clinton.

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I believe that our chief may be receiving the proclamation and I will read it here.

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It's very nice.

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So, whereas, by joint resolution, approved October 1, 1962, Congress and the President of the United States designated May 15th of each year as Peace Officers Memorial Day.

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and account a week in which it falls as national police week.

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In honor of federal state and local law enforcement officers

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who have been killed or disabled in the line of duty

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and further directed that flags be flown at Hastaf

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on peace officers Memorial Day.

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Whereas in every American community law enforcement officers

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are committed to the preservation of life, property,

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risking their lives daily to protect us

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from those who would mock the law while providing protection,

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law and order, and serving the cause of justice.

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And whereas the members of the Clean Police Department, including its officers and staff,

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playing an essential role in safeguarding the rights and freedoms of the residents and

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businesses in the city of clean, and unceasingly provide a vital public service to our community.

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And whereas, it's important that all citizens know and understand the duties, responsibilities,

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hazards, and sacrifices of their law enforcement officers, and that members of our law enforcement

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agency recognized their duties to serve the people of clean by safeguarding life and property,

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protecting them against violence and disorder and shielding the innocent against deception

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and the weak against depression.

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And whereas we honor the heroism of all of our law enforcement officers, especially those

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who have given their lives so that others may live, and we ask God's blessing for the families

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and friends they left behind.

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And whereas Officer Robert, Robert, level Scott, died on November 22nd, 1983 as a result

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of injury sustained on September 18th, 1977.

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In the line of duty, while protecting the residents of the Sea of Clinton, and reserve officer

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Lenny, Contanado, was killed on March 1, 1992 by a DUI driver while returning home from

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his patrol shift.

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And whereas across the nation, police week is observed with ceremonies including the hanging

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of a blue bow or ribbon to honor law enforcement officers who have sacrificed their lives in

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the line of duty and to recognize those who continue to keep us safe.

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Now, therefore, I, Jeff Wallan, Mayor of the City of Clayton, on behalf of the Clayton City Council,

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do hereby for Clayton, Sunday, May 10th through Saturday, May 16th, as National Police

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Week in the City of Clayton.

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In honor of our law enforcement officers and police department staff, passed in present

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who have rendered dedicated services community.

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And I do further programming May 15th, 2026 as Peace Officers Memorial Day in the City of

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Clayton.

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In honor of those law enforcement officers who through their courageous deeds have made the

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and service to the community, or have become disabled in the performance of such honorable duty.

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I encourage all citizens who claim to express their deep appreciation to the men and women who

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risk their lives each day to guard and protect us.

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I have this proclamation for you.

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Normally we do, did you want to do a picture with the proclamation?

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All right.

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If I may offer a couple of comments, please.

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I knew Lenny Contando very well.

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He was a very well-recognized officer in this community,

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and he was one of those individuals that had

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that ability to determine somebody had something in their background, and he would make an

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initiative to try to stop and sure enough they would have some sort of warned or something like that.

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But in general, he was one of the most likable guys you ever wanted to meet, and it was really

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tragedy when he was leaving work to go home and unfortunately a driver returning on in the other

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going the wrong way in the number one lane hit Lenny hit on and for those of you that may be

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interested Lenny's very next to his family plot at the Alafiett cemetery right off of the community

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of Lafayette and has a very nice headstone with a picture of him on it in his uniform and

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just a great young man. He's been missed for all these years. Good person, Lenny Contando.

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Thank you. I'd like to say something. I also knew Lenny and worked many shifts with him,

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volunteering and that accident occurred on 680 on his way home to Lafayette the wrong way driver

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hit him. And he is deeply missed. The other officer, officer, actually it's Roger Scott,

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but that's all right. It's just the type of, he was working by himself because the city of Clayton

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would not have two officers on. They kept that up until 1992. When I started at 1990, I used

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to work the Midnight Shifts by myself. City really didn't care much at that time. If I needed

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assistance, it was conquered of the Sheriff's Office or Highway Patrol. And those guys worked

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that all the way up until I think it was 93. When we finally had a chief that came in and says,

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were not having this. Anyway, so what happened was he saw suspicious person around 130 in the

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morning at the Clayton Community Church down on Clayton Road. So he went in to investigate the guy.

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Turned out the guy was naked. He was a mental, mental issues and he charged the officer immediately.

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And that officer called for help and a conquered sergeant was coming from way across town.

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Anyway, they struggled and they fought and they fought over his gun and he was shot.

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And the conquered officer got there just after that Roger was shot.

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And the conquered sergeant drew his gun, told the guy to drop that gun.

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Guy Whitney was approaching until the conqueror officer shot him, that's the story of Roger, and he suffered from

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1977 to 1983 with that bullet still in his body because they could don't operate.

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And that's the story.

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And I know God that there's that we don't have one person working anymore.

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that's absolutely ridiculous and with ridiculous then.

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But anyway, that's the story and thank you for recognizing it hasn't been done in several years.

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And I appreciate that.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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The background is always very helpful for those of us who weren't here at the time, so thank you.

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All right, so that is item five.

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when next is item six reports and our CD manager has a report for us that yes I'm going to do

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part of it and then I'll pass it over to Dennis for the main site of things a couple quick things

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full works director we are in the final stages of the background for that individual

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kind of start date mid June so if everything goes swimmingly for the next week or so we will see a new

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face here in the second meeting in June, we will bring him to introduce him.

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So, looking forward to adding to our team and moving forward.

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We also have a vacancy at our city clerk position to date.

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We have received 110 applications that I've had to review.

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I won't say how many applications are moving forward at this point.

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But we continue to to market that in a variety of areas.

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We do have potential candidates in that group so that's a great thing.

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I think I mentioned in the past will be.

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The interviewing towards the end of this month. So hopefully we will see a new face in the clerk's area,

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towards the end of June, beginning of July. Just in time for all of our wonderful candidates,

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deleting up to the election for a variety of things. So it'll be a busy season for someone to jump in and get acquainted to the city of Clayton.

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but we're excited for some new people to join us.

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So, that's it on the personnel front

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and for the maintenance side,

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I'll turn it over to,

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thanks.

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So, I have a couple of reports I thought would be helpful

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to share here and if that's gonna have to be about 800% better.

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Really, 800%.

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I'll let me work on that right now here.

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No, it is not a new package.

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is not in your packet. Is that 800? Okay. You're going to get this in, let's talk to it instead of kind of refer to the document. It may be difficult for us to see. Okay.

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This first set of records is the parcels that the city owns. This is a pretty complete list of all of the parcels that the city owns.

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In some really weird places I have to say the ones that are highlighted in green, which are mostly properties up in the Keller Ridge area

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Those areas the weed abatement has been completed. So everything in green so the downtown areas as well as Keller Ridge are basically have been completed

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The ones in yellow will be completed this week. Those are mostly peacock and associated areas on that side of town

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So, the purple ones are ones that will be done by the end of May that probably that last week

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of May.

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And the couple of blue ones you have there are ones that actually don't need any weed abatement

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on them because they don't back up to any structures in any way shape or form.

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They back up to other other parcels, other parks and open space areas.

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So, we don't have any weed abatement requirements there.

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Just so you have a sense of it, it's 532 acres of property that the city owned scattered all in between other privately owned residences mostly, as well as some businesses.

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And so it's quite a handful to deal with every single year.

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The good news is it doesn't seem to be growing much anymore.

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The inventory of those acres, so that's the status of weed abatement at this point.

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Something else we've been tracking lately, particularly with the help of the police department is a list, as I said, you'll get this.

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I will put this up online for the public to see as well.

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They have, during their shifts, are have been making notes on the status of things like the lines on the streets and the little reflective dots that we have there to mark fire hydrants

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and land demarcations to note the red curves

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that need to be repainted.

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So this is a list of 156 somewhat items

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all over the city of things that are in need of either

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a placement or paint or a number of things.

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We've identified that are one of our vendors,

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are pavement, are on call, pot-hole repair contractor, can make themselves available to handle

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the restriping and the retaining lines and the stops, sign pieces and even replacing

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the missing reflective dots that go in the road.

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So we've, they're working up an estimate now, I'm hoping that it's competitive and then

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we've also identified that city staff has recently purchased a commercial grade sprayer that

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handled the red curve painting. And so we'll be giving that up and we think over the next

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couple of months, two to two and a half months we ought to be able to get that done in pretty

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short order working in areas at one area of time and moving around the city. So that's just a

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sense of a lot of the kind of street maintenance needs. We'll work around. You all know we've got

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street repaving projects coming up. To the extent anything is on this list is also going to be taken

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character in that process. We'll take it off this list and just wait for the bigger road

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project. For this list is there a time component? Like there were was and the other one?

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Yeah, so I think on this one we certainly believe by the end of the summer we'll have this list completed.

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What does that mean for you? Is that September 1st or September 1st?

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I have two questions. Thank you, Dennis. So I did go by my came down center street near the

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easily development today. And I don't know when we're going to do center street. And it's not

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It is weeds, but it's also trimming it and it's again part of the downtown looks really, really bad.

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I would put that on the list if it's not already, and then I also noticed, and you may have this on that list,

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the corner of Diablo and Center Street, those two signs are so faded.

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You can't even read Center or Diablo, I just, you know, have to know that intersection.

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So, I know we talked about place

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mayor, and they have about replacing signs, maybe with a different color, I don't know if we're sticking with brown, and that's a larger discussion, but those are really faded.

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Yeah, we plan on bringing this item back. We're going to replace all the street signs, not the name signs, so stop signs, speeds, all of those things that are faded. We're working on those now.

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We want to bring back for counsel to discuss and make a decision and if you want to keep the

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Brown, if you want to change colors, we're working with a couple of vendors to give

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privacy samples to bring in, take a look at them, get direction before we start that way.

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We have a decision.

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So as we continue to do this year over year, we have a design and a color and a standard

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that we're going to move to if you choose to move to something different.

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And samples are great, but a cost comparison too,

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like, is it any less expensive to go green than it is brown,

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is brown?

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No, it's not so much the color.

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It's the material.

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The sign is made out of the reflective material.

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It's a really flexible, important thing.

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And then one last piece I'll just share.

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So, and this is, again, sorry, for not having a blown up

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to start.

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But, these are just some of the projects that we are working on.

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These are things you know about the street rehab projects.

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But, also, we've added to this list, and this is a list that's growing.

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The pedestrian improvements for downtown.

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These are things that are mostly CIP based, but again, we want to create a timeline associated with each of these as well.

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I can't tell you the timeline for the paving project is we expect the bid to open next week.

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We'll take bid responses till the first of June, and then there's a slight chance we can negotiate a contract and get everything settled for the second meeting in June, but probably more realistically it's going to be the first meeting of July before that gets all negotiated, but I'll make every effort to get it there for the June second June meeting.

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But this is, again, one of the things just to note that these, these were processed, sorry, projects that you determined in January of 25.

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And so we're, with the transitions, this is, you know, we're trying to keep it on track, we're moving it forward.

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And so, you know, hopefully we can get a better cadence of this with this new staff and be able to really be able to stay more timely on these things.

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So, I'm open to any questions you might have on this.

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I just have one on this list on the decorative light pulse.

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So, I know a lot of our street lights down town.

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And I don't know if that's what you're referring to there.

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I don't know if it needs design and engineering services, they just need paint, I think, and a lot of them are broken, they have panels that are broken.

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That doesn't have design, that does not have design engineering for those three lights.

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That doesn't go to that row.

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It stops the row before for the card-made trail repair.

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That just needs paint and a painter.

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Or painters, plural.

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And we care too, because like some of those boxes are like shields that cover the interior, whatever that would be called, are missing.

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Yeah, I think that's a little, I call it the guts, guts of the lamp, yeah, very precise.

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The door to the guts is missing.

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The door to the guts, thanks.

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I have a couple of questions.

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What is it, what the contract dates that are in column D?

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What are those?

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They seem to go in chronological order.

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You know, why? Because I dragged one thing down, and it auto-filled it.

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That's like figure. Yes.

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Sorry, the contract. Yeah.

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So they're all going to happen at the same time.

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They're all going to happen at the same time.

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Okay, yes. Okay.

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It's okay.

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And then on the same cell that you're in right now, so a 17, and then a 18, what is the timing on that?

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In particular, the fence on the MDS trail, which I'm happy to see on this list?

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Well, I put it on there today, because it's kind of come to our attention today that there's some people out there talking about it today in yesterday on a petition perhaps somewhere out there.

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That was mentioned in our last meeting.

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At the interwebs.

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I did mention it, but the petition is new.

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So there's that.

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We have to look at that and see it be a pretty expensive fence or railing system or something.

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And it's two tenths of a mile I measured it out today, that's not a little thing.

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There's probably post and pipe-fitted kinds of railing systems you could put in there.

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It's really a question of then it's another piece to maintain first build it and then

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maintain it.

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So, there just seemed to be some evidence at the top of the hill that we noticed today

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of an old kind of stake and wire the four inch wire

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fencing that had been there.

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The look pretty ratty that looked like it had maybe served

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a fencing purpose at one time along that trail.

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But it no longer would serve that purpose.

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It need to be removed and started over.

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So, you know, just I would also suggest

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that we find out where our property is

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and where the school district is.

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I'm sure you're probably already doing that.

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I already was looking at it and it's not as it's not easy as I thought it would be, so there could be some challenges there, hopefully not resulting in like having a higher survey or something.

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If I have a whole profession dedicated to this.

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Yeah, they do. That's good. No.

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So we can take up that we could take them up on that.

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Yes.

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If I might, this was an agendas as a sub topic to discuss as it's just meant to be a brief discussion

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under city managers report, so if we want to discuss this more, I would suggest we agendas as a specific discussion on the maintenance issues.

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Okay, sounds good.

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Can I just add one comment that isn't a discussion?

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As a recommendation, I would say if you add column, a dedicated column for start and end, like separate columns,

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you can project this in a gant view, and it would be a lot more digestible to look at.

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Along with the cost and what fund it's coming out of, it's, I think, something we asked last time too.

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That would be really helpful. Like, is it LMD?

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Okay, cool.

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Okay, cool.

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I had something from all I don't know if it doesn't apply.

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But if that's a dedicated trail, would it be the trail?

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Yeah, let's table this one until we

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agendize it specifically, and then we could address it.

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If you have specific comment, maybe we could address it individually.

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All right.

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That's from all of it.

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All right.

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So that concludes item 6A.

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City Council reports are in the agenda package.

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6B. Next is item 7A.

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This is the consider the renewal of ordinance 495.

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I'm going to try to use military equipment, use policy,

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public engagement, findings, and review and approve acquisition

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of drones.

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Discussion.

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Take it away.

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Good evening.

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Mayor Council, public.

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Staff.

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So if we can bring that presentation up, that would be great.

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So this is our 2025 military equipment annual report.

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Council and public engagement, as well as request for future acquisitions.

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I can go next slide, please.

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So we're going to be covering a few things.

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We're going to cover the history, the equipment we have, the types of training that we do in the use.

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Also, our audit and any community concerns are complaints, and then our projected acquisitions,

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and then obviously an opportunity to hear from Council take questions as well from the public.

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So a brief history, so AB 481, which codified this requirement, came about in 2021.

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City of Clayton, excuse me, adopted an ordinance, ordinance 495 in 2022, and the police department established their policy pertaining to military equipment.

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equipment, it's been classified as Paul C. 710.

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We meet the required.

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Government of the annual report, and as well as receiving community feedback, which is required by AB-41.

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Council has some responsibility in this, in that the city council's to review the annual report,

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here, community feedback, and then determine renewal of ordinance, including specific equipment,

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we'll get into that more and a little bit later. Next, please.

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So I'm not going to go through every aspect of the slide, but I'll just cover the general topic.

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So military equipment has a classification, and as is included in my staff report, as well as our policy and also in this presentation, it includes various items that can include armored vehicles, certain types of projectiles, unmanned vehicles, whether on the ground or in the air, flash bang or distraction devices and entry kinetic entry devices, in general, those are the kind of the general top categories.

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One of the things that has to be determined, but both by us and by council, is this equipment necessary.

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Is it reasonable? And there's really no reasonable alternatives to it, and it leads directly to officer and community safety.

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So those are kind of the general requirements there.

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Our policy is specifically designed not only to guide our conduct and use of this equipment, but as well to protect the public's welfare, their rights and their safety.

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We also take a look at is this equipment reasonably cost-efficient, although in today's environment nothing's reasonably cost-efficient.

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And are there reasonable alternatives and have we looked at that and are we, are we using

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equipment that fits the need essentially without any other options next place?

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So summary of the equipment we have, we have a fairly simple straightforward supply of

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this equipment.

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We have a specialized, which is considered under this law specialized firearm and ammunition,

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which is the Colt M4 carbine, shoots a standard 5556 projectile. It's only qualified for supervisor

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use and those that have received the what's in layman's terms called the short barrel rifle

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course. All of our officers, however, are issued a standard AR-15 patrol rifle. Very similar

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of those of you that are familiar with firearms. If you look at one next to the other, they look

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almost identical. The only difference really is the barrel length. And so our officer's

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carry standard length rifles. And that do not fall under the specialized firearm category.

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Next, please. We also carry Remington 870 12 gauge, less lethal, launcher shotguns.

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Commonly known as beambag shotguns. We have four of those. And they shoot a, what's called a

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in case in a lack of a better term, I could canvas envelope.

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We also have a defense technology 40 millimeter single shot launcher that shoots a what's

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called an impact sponge round.

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It's very dense, almost rubberized, but it's not technically rubber, it's a dense

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foam round.

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Both of these pieces of equipment are used as in environments where we need to either disable

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or distract someone who is posing a threat to officers or the public and where lethal force

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may not be the best option.

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So this gives us an in between option as opposed to lethal force and it also allows us to

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engage at distance as opposed to like a a taser for example you have to be within you know

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20 feet of taser this gives us a lot more standoff distance.

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Next please.

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We have a command and control vehicle, it's a 2019 cargo mate trailer, it's used for critical

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incidents.

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We keep search and rescue type equipment in there, equipment for natural disasters, should

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we have to go out to a crime scene for extended period of time, this would allow us to be able

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to take large amounts of equipment, have a place for people, our people and others that

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may be working that incident to get out of the sun or whatever, get some shelter in that

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type of thing.

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it's a toe behind trailer. Okay, next please. So training officers receive

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initial and refresher training. So every new officer that that we get goes through

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the required amount of training and then our officers receive regular training

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as required by post and our policy and that varies based on the type of equipment

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and so on and so forth. We have not had any uses this last year in 2025 so there's no

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to play.

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All those, the much of the equipment such as the beanback shotguns, we carry on a regular basis, our patrol officers carry that. We have not deployed that in 2025, so that's what that refers to.

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We did have one mutual aid deployment of a drone, UAS, by conquered in 2025, and that was to apprehend a fleeing wanted felon that had fled into a neighborhood.

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The use of the drone was critical and safely apprehending that individual and not allowing them

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to remain in a neighborhood.

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So, very effective.

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And Conqueror has been a spectacular partner in the use of this type of technology.

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Next, please.

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So, audits.

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We conducted our audit in March 26.

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All of our equipment is accounted for, and in compliance with the policy.

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We have not received any community complaints or concerns and we had no internal complaints regarding the use of our equipment.

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Okay, next, please.

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So projected acquisition, if you recall back in November, I presented to the Council to inform the Council of the opportunity to pursue a UAS drone technology through the Department of Homeland Security grant process through the G5, which is through counter-cost accounting.

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that has been submitted. We haven't heard anything yet, so this is the process takes forever.

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And very little, there's very little communication until we hear one way or the other.

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We submitted for $100,000 request. Our intent is to obtain a tethered and free fly drones.

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If awarded, which would be around March 2027, around that timeline, we would return to council for approval and platform specifics.

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It's required by AB-41 that we present as specific as possible, the type of equipment down to models and capabilities.

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given the market that is out there right now in this technology which seems to be

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evolving about every six months there's a whole revolution of our evolution

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of this technology we're way too far out to even propose something of what we

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would want to get because by the time we would get there it's going to be a new

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model and new capabilities. Next slide please. So recommendation is to

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receive our annual report and to review it under the requirements of AB-41 and determine

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that what we have is necessary for our community to safeguard our community and under

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the requirements of AB-41 and to approve the acquisition of UAS drone down the road should

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00:37:53,380 --> 00:37:55,940
we obtained that funding.

438
00:37:56,620 --> 00:38:00,500
We currently do not have any budget allocation for a UAS program.

439
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:06,520
That's the end of my presentation.

440
00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:10,100
Questions for the Chief?

441
00:38:10,780 --> 00:38:11,720
I have a couple.

442
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:17,560
Back on the page where you had the less lethal launchers,

443
00:38:17,860 --> 00:38:20,820
and you mentioned about the Remington 870,

444
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,440
he said there was only four of those that you were correct.

445
00:38:23,740 --> 00:38:25,660
Are they assigned to the supervisors then?

446
00:38:25,660 --> 00:38:34,680
No, so they're assigned per shift, so when they also have to take it and move it each time a new shift starts correct.

447
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,940
So that's part of the equipment the officers check out at the beginning of the shift and at the end of the shift they check it back into the safe.

448
00:38:40,460 --> 00:38:42,500
Okay, is there a standard

449
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:42,840
A.

450
00:38:44,340 --> 00:38:46,760
Remogeneity 70 that's assigned to each vehicle.

451
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,920
You know, you know, do that any.

452
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:51,560
You need to be every vehicleized it's own 870.

453
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:54,020
No, those have been replaced with patrol rifles.

454
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:55,740
The AR-15.

455
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:56,800
Gotcha.

456
00:38:57,100 --> 00:38:57,300
Okay.

457
00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:58,320
All right.

458
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:06,920
And then finally, these defense technology, the 40 millimeters, single launcher.

459
00:39:07,380 --> 00:39:08,880
How many years have you had a them?

460
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,460
We have one of those.

461
00:39:10,460 --> 00:39:12,520
who is responsible for that.

462
00:39:12,740 --> 00:39:14,400
So that would be incident specific.

463
00:39:15,380 --> 00:39:18,420
So that would either be grabbed by a supervisor or an officer

464
00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:20,660
and brought out into the field if that.

465
00:39:20,660 --> 00:39:21,740
OK, presented itself.

466
00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:22,700
Thank you.

467
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:23,200
You're welcome.

468
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,320
I have a couple questions, sir.

469
00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:26,780
Chief, let me just name this.

470
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,300
This is a big poster.

471
00:39:30,780 --> 00:39:34,340
In the staff report, it mentions that the department would also

472
00:39:34,340 --> 00:39:35,920
develop an implement in the UAS policy

473
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,160
to define authorized uses, privacy and constitutional protections,

474
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:41,480
program coordination and certification,

475
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:47,160
and prohibit it uses in training, and then below that, it mentions that if the applications

476
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:52,000
approved and funded that you'd bring before the Council, the Grant Award as well as the

477
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:58,620
specific UAS equipment sought for review and approval, will we also be able to see the actual

478
00:39:58,620 --> 00:39:59,980
policy and review and approval?

479
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,540
That was clear. It looked like you were going to write it, but that wasn't saying you were bringing that back to us.

480
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,220
Yeah, no, I apologize. So the policy is actually not required to be brought forward.

481
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,540
Okay. When in previous jurisdiction, I stood up a UAS program.

482
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,900
And we made that part of the package.

483
00:40:16,660 --> 00:40:21,400
Because the policy, again, I believe in being absolutely transparent with these things.

484
00:40:21,980 --> 00:40:27,740
And not only allow council to provide feedback and observations and ask questions, but also for the public.

485
00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:32,000
I think that's critical so I apologize if that wasn't clear but I guess I just want to clarify

486
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,140
And my head I knew it was going to be there and so I apologize

487
00:40:35,140 --> 00:40:39,820
Yeah, but it would be up. Thank you, and then the only other two questions I had is it mentioned

488
00:40:40,420 --> 00:40:44,040
In the in the packet that there's a military equipment coordinator

489
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,480
Yes, who is that person it's starting to show thank you and then

490
00:40:51,310 --> 00:40:56,670
The drone that you mentioned came from Concord was that because it started in Concord and came into Clayton

491
00:40:56,670 --> 00:40:59,710
Or we asked them to use their drone. We asked them to use their drone. Okay

492
00:40:59,790 --> 00:41:01,970
Yeah. Thank you.

493
00:41:02,170 --> 00:41:02,490
Yeah, welcome.

494
00:41:04,540 --> 00:41:05,380
The regard of the drone.

495
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,720
We just used conquerors.

496
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,480
What a couple months ago with two lost females.

497
00:41:11,340 --> 00:41:11,740
Correct.

498
00:41:11,740 --> 00:41:12,280
Blue girls.

499
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,080
And the golf course, they were there right away.

500
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:15,540
Correct.

501
00:41:15,780 --> 00:41:16,780
And they found.

502
00:41:17,260 --> 00:41:19,320
So drones are very, very useful.

503
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,540
Yeah, we've had actually a couple in 2026 where drones have become

504
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,520
critical to the success of what we were trying to accomplish.

505
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,300
One was two lost children, two girls.

506
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,500
I think there were seven and eight years old,

507
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:34,280
something like that.

508
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,400
And then we also had a missing at-risk missing person.

509
00:41:39,340 --> 00:41:43,780
And the drone conquered, I think, did four or five fly

510
00:41:43,780 --> 00:41:46,620
throughs, both during daylight and nighttime.

511
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,900
And what that allowed us to do is to eliminate

512
00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:51,640
where this person was not.

513
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,840
And in addition to us conducting foot patrols in those areas,

514
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,980
which is down in the creek, gully areas which is very difficult to do.

515
00:42:00,220 --> 00:42:02,060
We also use the motorcycle and the Polaris,

516
00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:05,780
but those are still restricted. You only go where you can go.

517
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,300
And by using the UAS drone we were able to do a daytime search

518
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:14,060
and then they came back out at night and they were able to do an infrared search.

519
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:19,160
So that allowed us to put our efforts other places knowing that those areas had been

520
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,180
eliminated. Very helpful.

521
00:42:22,460 --> 00:42:36,900
In terms of the overall cost, you had mentioned that the grant is 100,000, is that meant to align with the cost of the program, or is there going to be a shortfall like needs to be made up, or is that greater than, do you have a sense of that?

522
00:42:37,220 --> 00:42:40,840
Yeah, no, it's a great question. So that is to encompass the entire program.

523
00:42:41,460 --> 00:42:50,520
So that would encompass equipment, initial training, and the ancillary items that go along with supporting that program.

524
00:42:51,180 --> 00:42:55,100
So if approved, it should be at least neutral.

525
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,640
And so just to follow up on that, then, excite us.

526
00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:02,980
Thank you, the same thing I didn't realize it included training.

527
00:43:03,980 --> 00:43:07,740
If is there a possibility we wouldn't get the entire 100,000,

528
00:43:08,420 --> 00:43:10,980
they might come back with a different amount?

529
00:43:11,060 --> 00:43:12,340
Yeah, that's.

530
00:43:12,340 --> 00:43:13,380
And then we'd have to.

531
00:43:13,460 --> 00:43:14,240
That's possible.

532
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,740
We did, you know, we did emphasize, you know,

533
00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:24,100
the need of that, but yes, they could come back and say it's 50,000 or 75,000. And then we would scale

534
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:30,640
the program accordingly. Okay. Our intent is to operate within whatever the grant award is

535
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,540
in order to make that program successful. Thanks for clarifying that. Thank you. Excellent.

536
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:43,920
Other questions or Chief? I have anything when you mentioned the drones. So they have both

537
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,240
visual and infrared capability, that correct?

538
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:52,160
Okay, so that way, just the body heat, for example,

539
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:56,440
would emanate, and then you could, it would sense that

540
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,700
when you're doing it in a particular search area.

541
00:43:58,740 --> 00:43:59,520
That's correct.

542
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,180
And the video is at high definition?

543
00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:05,360
It is.

544
00:44:06,260 --> 00:44:09,440
Yeah, it's exceptional quality, the level of technology

545
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,480
and these, and that's evolving very rapidly.

546
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,180
It's changing, like I said, it's changing on almost six month by six month basis.

547
00:44:16,460 --> 00:44:17,480
Okay, thank you.

548
00:44:17,660 --> 00:44:18,120
You're welcome.

549
00:44:20,060 --> 00:44:20,220
Excellent.

550
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:21,780
All right.

551
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:23,340
Thank you very much.

552
00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:26,160
There's other questions we may ask you again.

553
00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:29,900
Public comment on this item.

554
00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:34,180
Seeing none, I will close public comment.

555
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:40,760
And I think the chief is looking for an approval just of this report and the policy.

556
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:47,000
I don't know the approval, wait a minute, let's find my way to find my.

557
00:44:47,220 --> 00:44:51,560
Because we're not approving the program at this point.

558
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:59,980
So it would be the approval of the annual report, renewal of the ordinance, and the approval of the intent.

559
00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:17,260
Okay, so I'll make a motion to approve all of that. If you want me to repeat it, Mueller, no, I think, as we understand, it did staff recommendation, the staff report.

560
00:45:17,820 --> 00:45:19,540
Okay, I'll second it. Oh, great.

561
00:45:21,740 --> 00:45:22,820
We can call the roll.

562
00:45:24,980 --> 00:45:26,240
Council member Diaz?

563
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:27,920
Council member Tupiano?

564
00:45:28,420 --> 00:45:28,620
Yes.

565
00:45:28,860 --> 00:45:29,560
Council member Tumman?

566
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:30,040
I.

567
00:45:30,420 --> 00:45:31,580
Vice Mayor Anya.

568
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,400
And Mayor One.

569
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:34,100
I.

570
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:35,940
Motion carries five zero.

571
00:45:36,380 --> 00:45:36,760
All right.

572
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,680
With that, that is item seven.

573
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,680
Next is item seven B.

574
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:46,380
The chief may be speaking on this one as well.

575
00:45:46,620 --> 00:45:48,480
I am supposing.

576
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,140
This is the discussion of a resolution.

577
00:45:52,140 --> 00:45:56,880
to prohibit parking during certain hours in place, parking restriction signage on pebble

578
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,500
beast drive adjacent to the city of clean open space.

579
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,500
Yes, thank you Mayor Council staff and public.

580
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:08,160
Dennis, would you mind just bring up that visual over a quick. This will be a short presentation.

581
00:46:09,860 --> 00:46:16,660
The area on pebble beach, just off of peacock creek, is a known area to our community and

582
00:46:16,660 --> 00:46:18,180
probably to most of us here.

583
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:24,360
It's adjacent to Clayton, open space, along the roadway,

584
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,640
the north side of the roadway, are two benches that

585
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,180
have been installed, and so it's a viewing area.

586
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,260
And you can view Clayton, and you can view the outstretched

587
00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:37,860
community as well as the bay out there.

588
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,660
So it's a very popular place.

589
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:46,020
Over the last six months, or a little bit more than that,

590
00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:55,330
The Police Department has received over 2,000 complaints regarding activity primarily at night that's occurring out there.

591
00:46:56,240 --> 00:47:06,380
And that ranges anywhere from loud music to smoking, drinking, leaving trash so on and so forth.

592
00:47:07,020 --> 00:47:09,840
In fact, I just ran another report today.

593
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:18,240
Since the creation of this report, so since March, to now we've received an additional 11, 11 complaints.

594
00:47:18,820 --> 00:47:19,800
So this is an ongoing issue.

595
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:22,440
Again, most of them at night in the evening hours.

596
00:47:23,620 --> 00:47:28,480
In this area, you'll see here there's currently no parking restrictions.

597
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:29,840
So it's neighborhood parking.

598
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,860
On the south side, it is the border of home, so side yards.

599
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:44,860
And then on the north side is the open space that eventually leads to 1003 Pable Beach there.

600
00:47:47,540 --> 00:47:50,020
Currently, because there's no parking restrictions,

601
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,800
people can park there, obviously at any time.

602
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:54,300
It's a neighborhood.

603
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,240
We believe, I believe, based on the calls for service that we've had.

604
00:47:59,860 --> 00:48:05,140
I've also gotten direct community feedback as well as I've spoken to other city staff,

605
00:48:05,140 --> 00:48:10,220
regarding the number of responses by our maintenance crews down there

606
00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:15,220
to pick up trash and discarded items and as you may or may not be aware

607
00:48:15,220 --> 00:48:21,480
it's a very steep slope and is very dangerous for our staff to be going down there and having to retrieve items.

608
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:27,900
I believe that restricting the hours to only allowing parking during daylight hours

609
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:33,540
so in other words, no parking desks till dawn will help significantly curb this behavior.

610
00:48:33,540 --> 00:48:43,160
It also gives us direct enforcement action that if a vehicle is parked there at night regardless of what they're doing or what they may or may not admit to doing,

611
00:48:43,860 --> 00:48:49,160
we can take direct enforcement action by ticketing them for parking in a restricted area.

612
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:59,720
This would not require the painting of curbs, this would only require the erection of signage in order to make it enforceable.

613
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,020
because there would be parking during daylight hours,

614
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:09,840
there would be no need to pay the curves.

615
00:49:13,220 --> 00:49:15,340
I don't know if he's a...

616
00:49:15,340 --> 00:49:16,520
Yeah, I'm just concluded.

617
00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:17,380
I'm concluded.

618
00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:18,560
Oh, you're not.

619
00:49:18,740 --> 00:49:19,100
I am.

620
00:49:20,020 --> 00:49:23,160
Because I've got some questions up there regarding that area.

621
00:49:23,740 --> 00:49:23,920
Yes, sure.

622
00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:24,520
Please.

623
00:49:26,260 --> 00:49:28,820
So if we approve this tonight,

624
00:49:29,060 --> 00:49:30,720
is it going to affect when?

625
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,500
As soon as we can get the signs up.

626
00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:39,640
Okay, because I will tell you on July 4th, that's a great viewing place for all of the fireworks around the county.

627
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:40,780
Correct, it is.

628
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:46,040
And I'm sure several people that will not enjoy having all those vehicles up there.

629
00:49:47,540 --> 00:49:50,300
Yeah, key lock is very similar in that respect.

630
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:52,600
Yes, yes sir.

631
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,500
It's been 26 years, but that's been going on.

632
00:49:58,140 --> 00:49:59,980
cause they just have to go through all the time.

633
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:08,940
People usually left right away after the police come up there, but it's been a long, long time that those people have to endure all that.

634
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:15,920
And probably, if they would inquiet and put their trash in the trash can, we wouldn't have to be here.

635
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,300
But they don't.

636
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:18,780
I agree. I agree.

637
00:50:20,060 --> 00:50:23,180
So I'm probably going to be the loan defect.

638
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,340
Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to spit out my sentence, spit out my sentence.

639
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,600
I can see that putting a sign will keep a car from parking there.

640
00:50:35,060 --> 00:50:38,900
It is not going to stop people from going there, so here's what I envision could happen.

641
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:44,000
They parked on the side street and go hang out on the bench anyway, but they're cool

642
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,220
doing that because there's no sign to it saying that you can't be there from dust to

643
00:50:47,220 --> 00:51:00,120
on. Right? Correct. Okay. Because my concern is that if we didn't do it in Keylock, so

644
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:05,180
this goes back a few years because Council Member Diaz and I sat on that at Hattock

645
00:51:05,180 --> 00:51:09,580
Committee, where they wanted some type of restriction because there's lots of viewing points

646
00:51:09,580 --> 00:51:14,720
here in Clayton. They have all kinds of views, so they they put they paint to the curb

647
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:18,840
right up there, they talked about putting a fence up, so people couldn't see, but the neighbors

648
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:24,140
that lived there didn't want that, and so I think they put signage and brighter lights.

649
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:30,060
I just don't know that it's going to be the deterrent for getting the calls that you think

650
00:51:30,060 --> 00:51:31,500
or the trash being eliminated.

651
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,860
It'd be great if it is, but I just don't know that that is going to be enough.

652
00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:40,220
I appreciate the concern, maybe if I can address that a little bit.

653
00:51:40,220 --> 00:51:44,320
So Keylock is another area we're all familiar with, right?

654
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:46,940
The curbs that were painted red, right?

655
00:51:46,940 --> 00:51:49,840
So it's a no parking zone regardless of time.

656
00:51:51,020 --> 00:51:52,940
We do still get calls up there.

657
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:59,820
However, we are not getting complaints or calls of trash, debris, and people just hanging

658
00:51:59,820 --> 00:52:00,160
out.

659
00:52:00,420 --> 00:52:04,080
Because the vehicle can't be there, as soon as we get there, we take the vehicle and they're

660
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:04,220
gone.

661
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,660
So it has helped tremendously, because people aren't just hanging out there.

662
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:17,480
It might be a little different on pebble beach because of the benches, but based on my experience

663
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:24,520
with these types of things, when you set up some type of parameters and can enforce quickly,

664
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:29,520
without having to figure out what's going on and then oftentimes it's not necessarily a crime,

665
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:30,360
but it's a nuisance.

666
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:36,160
This allows us to take decisive action, and that word spreads very quickly.

667
00:52:36,660 --> 00:52:41,620
So, it may not solve everything, but I see it as a way to create a deterrent.

668
00:52:42,180 --> 00:52:43,340
Okay, so I just want to be clear.

669
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,600
If there are people hanging out on the benches that are there, and they are playing

670
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,060
loud music and hanging out, they can do that all hours of the night.

671
00:52:50,180 --> 00:52:54,280
The loud music is a different issue, so it would be in violation of our noise audience.

672
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,800
So what if they're just playing music, and it's not loud?

673
00:52:57,620 --> 00:53:00,020
It's a decibel requirement at a certain distance.

674
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,780
So if they're just hanging out and they've got their phone and they're playing music,

675
00:53:02,820 --> 00:53:05,200
and it's not that loud, they can do that in the middle of the night.

676
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:13,220
Absolutely. Yeah, there's no restrictions on that. I just want the neighbors up there to be clear on what they're calling for and not calling for because the neighbors will call you for everything

677
00:53:13,220 --> 00:53:19,820
Which is my my concern? Yeah, is there going to think that no one is allowed to hang out at the benches and that is not what this says. Yeah

678
00:53:19,820 --> 00:53:27,780
That's part of the challenge too because we so for example our city parks, right are closed dust. Oh, essentially right at nighttime hours. You can't be in the city

679
00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:29,620
Yeah

680
00:53:30,260 --> 00:53:36,340
Ordinance, I'd have to review it again, but it extends in a lot of ways to our open space.

681
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,700
It's the same spirit of the ordinance, right?

682
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:42,240
The challenge is there's benches there, right?

683
00:53:42,420 --> 00:53:45,300
So it and it's right along the curb, right?

684
00:53:45,340 --> 00:53:46,280
So if you're on the sidewalk,

685
00:53:48,620 --> 00:53:51,400
it's okay, but if you're a foot over, maybe it's not okay,

686
00:53:51,460 --> 00:53:52,820
not real clear, you follow me.

687
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,260
So that does create some ambiguity, some challenges, but yes, correct.

688
00:53:57,260 --> 00:54:01,400
because of the bench is being there because it's accessible right at the

689
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,200
curb line. People being there during the night is not a violation.

690
00:54:05,860 --> 00:54:11,540
Okay. Right. But the parking would be you know, I was thinking if that becomes a

691
00:54:11,540 --> 00:54:16,760
an issue. And the council member, Tom and said those benches were put in by the

692
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,580
neighborhood. If it becomes a big issue with them, they could have removed.

693
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:24,800
Correct. And there'd be no issue anymore. Correct.

694
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,560
Those are their benches.

695
00:54:26,860 --> 00:54:30,960
Those are the benches are property of the neighborhood.

696
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:32,260
And they're homeowners.

697
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,120
And there's no H.o.a.

698
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:34,900
There's no H.o.a.

699
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:35,620
There's no H.o.a.o.a.

700
00:54:35,900 --> 00:54:37,940
But does it in the city right of it?

701
00:54:37,940 --> 00:54:38,280
Right.

702
00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:40,660
It's just about that the same thing.

703
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,460
It's in the open space.

704
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:44,560
So it's our benches.

705
00:54:45,340 --> 00:54:46,960
It dedicated to some individuals.

706
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,260
But I would think if it's a big problem, then they want them removed.

707
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,320
We may honor that request.

708
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,980
I think this was raised as part of the discussion with the neighbors.

709
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,720
If we try the one thing and it fails, then another thing would be to take the bench as a way.

710
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:08,540
I have so many comments.

711
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:15,140
And I just have one question, so I can't remember, children said people can sit on the bench,

712
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:22,620
but they can't have open alcohol, right? They can't litter, I mean, you know.

713
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:29,100
So there are still some restrictions to hopefully curb some of that.

714
00:55:29,100 --> 00:55:36,000
I mean, I would think what you're suggesting is deterrent, but I mean, one of the things

715
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,940
you mentioned was smoking, people can smoke, right?

716
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,720
I mean, you can smoke out anywhere around the street if you want to.

717
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:49,140
So, that, again, going back to the general, actually not, no, you can't.

718
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:59,080
So, along the sidewalk, there's nothing in our city or in a separate habit, smoking on the

719
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:05,460
that way. However, you can't in the open space where the benches aren't. So when we've contacted

720
00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:11,540
people, regarding this issue and they're standing on the sidewalk, there's nothing to enforce.

721
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,200
Our ordinance doesn't extend to the sidewalk.

722
00:56:18,090 --> 00:56:20,230
So, I mean, just to play double-savocate,

723
00:56:21,350 --> 00:56:26,750
the benches sit on pavement that abuts onto the sidewalk and we're going to make the delineation

724
00:56:27,330 --> 00:56:31,590
that standing here versus one foot over there is what we would cite someone and we think that

725
00:56:31,590 --> 00:56:35,010
hold. That seems a little sketchy.

726
00:56:35,170 --> 00:56:36,170
I'm not sure if I understand your question.

727
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:45,010
If you're standing on the one foot over the line with the bench is on pavement and you're smoking versus one foot.

728
00:56:45,110 --> 00:56:47,770
And now you're on the sidewalk, we're going to make that distinction.

729
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:51,290
Because that's what the ordinance says. Correct.

730
00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:57,970
It'd be the same thing as somebody smoking across the street or on the sidewalk of a city park and being in the park.

731
00:56:58,530 --> 00:56:59,910
This is the same distinction.

732
00:56:59,910 --> 00:57:02,090
Okay, yeah, I mean, that's fine.

733
00:57:04,050 --> 00:57:09,270
There's a bunden parking available, right adjacent to this place that we're talking about.

734
00:57:09,390 --> 00:57:13,790
I mean, you're talking about a space that is, I can't really estimate distance on the map,

735
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:18,490
but it looks like it's maybe a hundred, hundred, fifty feet.

736
00:57:18,850 --> 00:57:19,570
Ish, give or take.

737
00:57:20,190 --> 00:57:21,650
I don't know, I don't know the exact distance.

738
00:57:22,170 --> 00:57:25,470
But there are, like, side streets that are directly adjacent,

739
00:57:25,690 --> 00:57:27,930
that are even closed, like, if you want to get to the bench,

740
00:57:27,930 --> 00:57:32,710
You're probably better off, I mean, depending on how crowded it could be.

741
00:57:34,330 --> 00:57:40,210
I'm just saying, I do believe that it would be a deterrent, but only a minor one.

742
00:57:41,090 --> 00:57:41,610
So,

743
00:57:43,810 --> 00:57:50,930
and I guess I had to ask, you said that you received X number of calls, but I'm guessing,

744
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:59,390
The people that would be the folks that may be impacted by bad behavior in the area

745
00:57:59,390 --> 00:58:05,130
is probably limited to a certain proximity to the bench's in question.

746
00:58:05,490 --> 00:58:11,430
I mean, the bench is being there kind of indicate a desire to have people be there.

747
00:58:12,090 --> 00:58:16,350
If they did not want people to be there, then you wouldn't make it friendly for them to be there.

748
00:58:17,490 --> 00:58:24,870
The challenge is, I mean, this is just my own, for me, when I go places and there are no trash cans available,

749
00:58:26,770 --> 00:58:32,550
I find it, it's a lot more prevalent to have litter because there's nowhere to put it.

750
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:37,190
I carry it out, I'm a big camping person to bring it in and bring it out kind of thing.

751
00:58:38,430 --> 00:58:44,410
But if there were trash cans in the area, I think that would also be a pretty strong deterrent as well.

752
00:58:44,410 --> 00:58:50,510
And a lot easier for me to figure out, those boxes that exist so that they don't get knocked over.

753
00:58:50,670 --> 00:58:53,290
And they don't blow their wind and protect it and all the other stuff that you have.

754
00:58:53,410 --> 00:58:55,790
The latch and all the stuff that they do at campgrounds or whatnot.

755
00:58:56,430 --> 00:58:58,010
Is that something that was ever considered

756
00:59:01,140 --> 00:59:03,340
like one or two in between the ventures?

757
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,400
So we could put trash in up there or be more staff time to drive up there.

758
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:08,340
We're getting ready.

759
00:59:09,620 --> 00:59:11,620
They're going up there already to clean up the stuff.

760
00:59:11,620 --> 00:59:20,760
Let's be clear, what they're throwing down the hill are things like old TV sets and microwave ovens, beer cans, yellow solo cups.

761
00:59:21,140 --> 00:59:24,680
I mean, so some of those will go into the trash can, some not so much.

762
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:32,880
It's a variety of things that our maintenance staff has had to pull up that hill in rather treacherous conditions.

763
00:59:33,300 --> 00:59:39,020
And I don't ask me to explain the human behavior that thinks that things that that's okay, I can't.

764
00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:43,080
So, but the garbage can make go down the hill.

765
00:59:43,780 --> 00:59:47,180
Unless we bolt it to the sidewalk right next to the benches,

766
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,880
then we can do that.

767
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,380
But that's the kind of stuff that's there.

768
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,840
It's not just a cigarette, but or a solo cup.

769
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,580
It's other stuff in the back of their cars.

770
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:10,100
Okay? Just it's just odd, because the person that's going to pull up a car and dump the TV will not be deterred by a sign.

771
01:00:11,660 --> 01:00:26,540
So I mean, this is a, this is always a balance between deterrence and what you can enforce it on and human behavior. So I, I'm not opposed to it. I just, I don't know if it's a panacea that will have a significant impact, but if it does, then that's great.

772
01:00:26,540 --> 01:00:32,280
Maybe I can add something, so it'll be blunt.

773
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:38,800
The police department is asking for a tool in which we can better enforce the issues that

774
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:39,540
are going on.

775
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,600
This gives us a tool, and that's what I'm asking for.

776
01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:47,780
Without this tool, we're left in the same cycle that we've been in for how long.

777
01:00:49,420 --> 01:00:51,360
And so something needs to change.

778
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,960
This is something that can change and give us the tool.

779
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,460
we've seen it be effective in other areas of the city.

780
01:00:56,980 --> 01:01:00,860
We have officers that want to deter this behavior,

781
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:05,500
and this is a very simple way to start deterring that behavior.

782
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,500
So from my perspective, from my chair, this gives us a tool.

783
01:01:10,620 --> 01:01:11,840
You should have led with that.

784
01:01:14,990 --> 01:01:16,270
If you want it, then.

785
01:01:16,430 --> 01:01:17,390
I thought it was implied.

786
01:01:17,650 --> 01:01:18,090
Thank you.

787
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:20,190
That's a much stronger.

788
01:01:20,330 --> 01:01:21,310
That's an excellent tool.

789
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:23,650
Because people that are up there, in my experiences,

790
01:01:23,650 --> 01:01:31,250
I don't I guess the officers would say the same thing now. They're under age. They're not supposed to be out of time and night when usually

791
01:01:31,250 --> 01:01:35,130
This is happening and it's a waste apart. Do we have a curfew?

792
01:01:35,330 --> 01:01:40,110
I don't have a under age curfew. The county has a curfew. Oh, yeah. They do. Don't they still?

793
01:01:41,130 --> 01:01:45,890
I don't know. That is uninforceful. What's my beyond it for some of the kids don't know that?

794
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:53,130
On that street right there you have to wall you have to drive around that corner. I can't think of the name of that street

795
01:01:53,650 --> 01:01:55,170
That's got to be forced to.

796
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:58,230
That's got to be 50, maybe 50 yards.

797
01:01:58,470 --> 01:02:00,030
Kids don't like getting down in their car.

798
01:02:00,690 --> 01:02:02,010
And part, right next to that bench,

799
01:02:02,010 --> 01:02:04,090
if you make a right to go down the hill,

800
01:02:04,350 --> 01:02:05,250
there's no parking.

801
01:02:05,250 --> 01:02:06,310
Yeah, that's already no parking.

802
01:02:06,310 --> 01:02:07,210
That's already the right parking.

803
01:02:07,410 --> 01:02:09,890
So you only have right across that intersection

804
01:02:10,530 --> 01:02:12,090
and on Peacock Creek.

805
01:02:12,530 --> 01:02:15,610
I mean, I only tell you music travels through those houses,

806
01:02:16,010 --> 01:02:16,770
especially in the summer.

807
01:02:17,470 --> 01:02:18,750
But to say that noise ordinance,

808
01:02:19,010 --> 01:02:21,330
you have to have a decibel reading at a distance.

809
01:02:21,330 --> 01:02:25,390
Like that's just this whole different that's a whole different violation. It is

810
01:02:25,850 --> 01:02:33,190
You win the city has the police fire. It has one. I'm sure. Yeah, and there's a decimal word. It's but I doesn't I think when you tell a few kids

811
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:40,030
They're gonna tell everybody else. Don't go there. That's been my experience. I mean, they made just parking front of ones those are three. They could

812
01:02:40,690 --> 01:02:41,550
They could

813
01:02:41,550 --> 01:02:43,430
Because it's right there

814
01:02:44,050 --> 01:02:46,750
So let's help. It's a deterrent that works. I hope so

815
01:02:47,210 --> 01:02:50,970
The police is asking for it and that's that's enough for me. I appreciate thank you

816
01:02:52,550 --> 01:02:53,470
I'm hopeful.

817
01:02:55,070 --> 01:02:57,030
All right, any other questions for Chief?

818
01:02:58,850 --> 01:02:59,850
Public comments.

819
01:03:02,540 --> 01:03:04,160
Seeing none, I will close public comment

820
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,080
and bring it back to us.

821
01:03:08,020 --> 01:03:10,320
Anyone have any other discussion?

822
01:03:10,540 --> 01:03:11,480
Or is there a motion?

823
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:14,450
I'll second.

824
01:03:18,110 --> 01:03:24,090
I'm going to say yes, but then I should do a friendly little wager

825
01:03:24,090 --> 01:03:26,530
to see how many more calls come, but I'll say yes.

826
01:03:26,530 --> 01:03:28,450
You can't bet that I give it to you.

827
01:03:28,450 --> 01:03:30,650
I think the negative is bad to you.

828
01:03:30,770 --> 01:03:31,630
For how many less calls?

829
01:03:31,630 --> 01:03:32,590
For how many less calls?

830
01:03:32,850 --> 01:03:34,410
We'll set the over under on, I think,

831
01:03:34,550 --> 01:03:35,750
CalShir, Polymarket, later.

832
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:37,850
You don't want to have a winning proposition

833
01:03:37,850 --> 01:03:39,110
via the bad outcome.

834
01:03:40,350 --> 01:03:43,410
So, back to what I said that's yes for council member.

835
01:03:43,890 --> 01:03:44,370
Tillman.

836
01:03:44,730 --> 01:03:45,450
Council member Trippiano.

837
01:03:46,490 --> 01:03:47,370
Council member Diaz.

838
01:03:48,090 --> 01:03:48,870
Vice Mayor Nia.

839
01:03:49,450 --> 01:03:50,270
Mayor Juan.

840
01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:50,770
All right.

841
01:03:50,970 --> 01:03:51,930
Motion carries five zero.

842
01:03:52,510 --> 01:03:52,990
All right.

843
01:03:53,870 --> 01:03:54,790
Thank you.

844
01:04:00,590 --> 01:04:07,250
Okay, next is item 7C, this is a review of the 26 budget status, and consider approval

845
01:04:07,250 --> 01:04:10,570
of 27 FY27 budget revisions.

846
01:04:11,530 --> 01:04:11,970
Please.

847
01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:12,430
Thank you, sir.

848
01:04:12,690 --> 01:04:19,630
Back again, just to provide some additional context and information to the council, including

849
01:04:19,630 --> 01:04:25,430
the 27 budget revisions and the augmentations that we've talked about in prior meetings.

850
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:30,450
Some people were questioning how we got to the adjusted budget figures.

851
01:04:30,910 --> 01:04:34,050
I want to walk through this chronology if you don't mind.

852
01:04:35,010 --> 01:04:40,850
Note that in November 18th, 2025 we had projected a balanced budget.

853
01:04:42,010 --> 01:04:46,630
Since that time and at that same meeting actually we began to incur some additional expenses

854
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:49,270
that the council had approved.

855
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:54,700
both for civic plus as well as the fees contract that began to reopen that gap.

856
01:04:55,870 --> 01:04:59,970
You'll note that at January 12th of 2026 we received the...

857
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:07,880
We deduct reduction in the RPTTF funding for the former successor, yet now the former successor agency, even.

858
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:12,420
We can say that. We also noted it about the same time, the World Water Reduction.

859
01:05:13,100 --> 01:05:19,340
And so you see how the negative balance begins to grow over those last couple months.

860
01:05:20,140 --> 01:05:28,600
One of the things that we did do is we did put back in at the recommendation from the council at the last meeting.

861
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:35,780
The backed out those admin charges and put those back into revenue within the general fund

862
01:05:35,780 --> 01:05:41,600
actually came up at financial sustainability as well as a good practice so we did go ahead

863
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:47,540
and do that and then that's that's how we came to the 778 so the difference between the

864
01:05:47,540 --> 01:05:54,640
eight twenty that we talked about last time and the 778 is all about putting back in those revenue

865
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:59,480
resources for the fiduciary funds, as we had previously discussed.

866
01:06:02,420 --> 01:06:10,520
Now talking about 2027, let me move this little window here, always in the worst place.

867
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,900
Can we ask questions about 2026, or you want to go through the same thing?

868
01:06:13,900 --> 01:06:18,840
No, it's fine if we're there, I keep trying to close the door on it, but we can go back to it.

869
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:36,240
No, I just, the one question that I had, so the balance column, so is that, and a couple of things on this slide, is that a running total, it can't be including the 686 and it is a running total.

870
01:06:36,240 --> 01:07:04,680
Okay, so the 223 equals 680, so, okay, so that, thank you for that, and civic plus, and I think you've said this before, but if you could just say this again, we're incurring this cost, this cost that we approved in November, it was a two-year contract now, but we're offsetting it with some savings, about

871
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,900
in 2007.

872
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:24,720
It's a, it'll end up being 80,000 dollars difference when we cancel those contracts at their end date, which is July, August, and September, depending on which one you're talking about.

873
01:07:25,100 --> 01:07:30,700
And we thought it was going to be in 26, but we didn't get that far, but so that's, that's.

874
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:31,340
Is that favorable?

875
01:07:32,700 --> 01:07:34,320
Well, it's favorable.

876
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,500
It'll be favorable in 27.

877
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:37,520
Yeah.

878
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:38,420
Yeah, favorable in 27.

879
01:07:38,740 --> 01:07:38,860
Yeah.

880
01:07:39,020 --> 01:07:39,660
Not 26.

881
01:07:40,940 --> 01:07:52,320
And can you just one more time explain the fiduciary fund transfer changes just to it?

882
01:07:52,700 --> 01:07:53,600
Understand them.

883
01:07:54,200 --> 01:08:01,320
So there are some of our 27 funds that we take care of for other people on behalf of other entities.

884
01:08:03,780 --> 01:08:16,980
And so in those funds we incur administrative charges basically for the time that our staff spends managing their affairs paying their bills, etc.

885
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:29,600
In a couple of those cases, I'll put my hand up and say, I made a decision to not charge them those administrative charges because they were already in the red.

886
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:35,700
And we've talked about the stormwater and the state-like assessment districts were both in the red.

887
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:37,940
I made a decision not to do that.

888
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:42,680
But upon advice from others that I trust and believe,

889
01:08:43,460 --> 01:08:45,680
are have the best interest of the city at heart.

890
01:08:46,260 --> 01:08:47,780
I backed those back out.

891
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,980
And so we now are going to recover favorably.

892
01:08:51,260 --> 01:08:53,080
Those revenues back into 26.

893
01:08:53,780 --> 01:08:57,280
That which will reduce the size of the projected deficit.

894
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:08,580
Okay, so that is the right way to do it. Would you say, or I'm taking the advice from others and I'm going to do it.

895
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,100
They were all transparent.

896
01:09:10,980 --> 01:09:15,620
So I don't want to, I don't want to think about this as a transparent, not just transparent.

897
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,940
This is a business decision as much as anything else.

898
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:20,360
Okay.

899
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:24,320
I already thank you. Those are my questions on 26.

900
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:25,360
Thank you.

901
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,540
Can I just ask a question about that?

902
01:09:27,580 --> 01:09:29,400
I don't know why I can't get this right on my head.

903
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:36,360
So, the admin charges are coming out of the funds that they belong to.

904
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:37,820
Correct.

905
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,360
And then...

906
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:45,280
Basically, we were crediting revenue to the general fund.

907
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:46,460
Think of it that way.

908
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:53,320
from another fund, for those administrative costs.

909
01:09:55,100 --> 01:09:57,800
Okay, so that's why it's still an negative, because they're coming out regardless.

910
01:09:58,420 --> 01:09:59,980
Because I see revenue should be a positive net.

911
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,020
That's why it's difficult for me to see this.

912
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:09,960
It's still negative because the successor agency was still negative, so the negative 223 is because

913
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,860
the successor agency charges are still there.

914
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:19,840
The successor agency revenue is not there. Let me say it in the right sense. On the right

915
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:29,860
the successor agency administrative charges are not there, so it's still negative 223, but it was more than that.

916
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:34,240
It was 60,000 more than that with the other two funds.

917
01:10:38,180 --> 01:10:39,980
There's a few things getting coming in.

918
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,760
This one line for presentation, not coming in like in terms of recording.

919
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:54,360
And so this is supposed to represent, this represents the reduction of the RFVTF revenue because of the closure of the successorations see.

920
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:55,680
No, that one makes sense to me.

921
01:10:56,060 --> 01:10:56,640
I get that one.

922
01:10:56,700 --> 01:10:58,560
So that's all that is.

923
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,520
Now, I think she was talking about the robe of the 21.

924
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:05,360
I'm looking at the March and April, the fiduciary fund transfer changes one.

925
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,200
The 223, I'm trying to understand it.

926
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:13,740
So the 223 is still admin charges separate from RPTTF, separate from that.

927
01:11:13,740 --> 01:11:22,800
There were still successor agency administrative charges coming out of would have come out of that fund that we cannot take out of that fund.

928
01:11:22,940 --> 01:11:25,540
We can't recognize revenue anymore because of the dissolution.

929
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,220
But the work still being done.

930
01:11:33,180 --> 01:11:33,660
Not now.

931
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:34,200
Not now.

932
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,760
It's got taken out back and disposal.

933
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,880
If there were a work, then we would charge for the work.

934
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:45,980
That's correct, yeah, staff is essentially general fun.

935
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,060
If they do work in other funds, they get paid.

936
01:11:48,140 --> 01:11:50,820
The general fund gets compensated for it, exactly.

937
01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:55,220
So yeah, anything else on 26?

938
01:11:58,170 --> 01:11:58,710
All right, 27.

939
01:11:59,350 --> 01:12:07,370
So this is a breakdown of the continuing projects as well as new projects.

940
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:10,850
I want to note something, so it doesn't confuse anybody.

941
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:15,850
There's a, sorry, I did have one question on 26, but I can hold no, no, let's do it.

942
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:26,350
So, did you mention, what was the change in expense from our prior meeting to the current meeting in expenditures?

943
01:12:27,550 --> 01:12:31,590
It's about $100,000, and I don't, maybe you mentioned that I didn't hear it.

944
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:38,610
So end of your expenditure projection at our prior meeting was 6.439, and the current one

945
01:12:38,610 --> 01:12:40,830
is, if I'm reading this correctly, is 6553.

946
01:12:43,010 --> 01:12:47,570
So there's a delta from our prior, and I'm just wondering what that is.

947
01:12:48,730 --> 01:12:54,070
So one of the things that we did add was that 91,000, are you talking about that, or are you

948
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:56,050
talking about the 60,000?

949
01:12:57,470 --> 01:13:25,110
The 60 is the, is the fiduciary fund difference of, if it is, it's not present here, but if you pull the agenda packet from the prior meeting, the expenditure end of your projection was different than this 655 number, and I'm just wondering what that is, it was 6439, so this is like 100,000 dollars, I didn't know.

950
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:36,110
I'd have to go back and look. I can't picture what you're talking about. So I'd have to go back and look and look at my notes and figure that out. I can get that back to you.

951
01:13:36,430 --> 01:13:42,610
Maybe you could pull up the prior to the fact that you look at it and just see because that.

952
01:13:42,610 --> 01:13:43,870
It's only been like a couple of weeks.

953
01:13:44,570 --> 01:13:45,430
So I don't know what it would be.

954
01:13:45,730 --> 01:13:47,050
Yeah. It's just different.

955
01:13:47,690 --> 01:13:49,470
I'll look at it and get back to you.

956
01:13:49,650 --> 01:13:50,570
Okay. That's my question.

957
01:13:50,570 --> 01:14:02,650
And the 91-348, sorry, just staying on 26, the projected fiscal year 26 net overage

958
01:14:02,650 --> 01:14:09,490
through 630 refers to what the 91-348.

959
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:14,370
So I think that was,

960
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:18,860
I do even lots track of what that is now.

961
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:24,360
I'm sorry, my brain's no, I don't have it.

962
01:14:24,380 --> 01:14:25,980
Yeah, I wasn't sure what that is.

963
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,880
I made the assumption that that's just other sundry items.

964
01:14:29,660 --> 01:14:32,220
Probably is, I mean, I think, I think it's just net net.

965
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,260
Oh, we did present that last time.

966
01:14:34,420 --> 01:14:39,500
So that was when you looked at a bunch of money we were saving on salary saving.

967
01:14:39,660 --> 01:14:43,180
So remember I had that chart that had the salary savings below

968
01:14:43,180 --> 01:14:46,260
and then some additional random expenses above.

969
01:14:47,140 --> 01:14:49,560
That's what, and I presented that on the 21st.

970
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:50,580
That's what that number is.

971
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:52,320
Thank you.

972
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:54,460
At this point, they're all blurring together.

973
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:13,000
Going once. Going twice. All right, let's go to this 27. Thank you. All right. Yes, Mayor. So this, this particular table just

974
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:25,240
shows the budget for various continuing projects. These are at the top of this chart, all the CIP projects with a total line for you at the bottom. And what we've

975
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:44,940
suspended to date again with a total line, and then below that are the new projects that we added to the CIP with a total line down at the bottom so that we show all the continuing and the new capital projects

976
01:15:44,940 --> 01:15:50,640
is some kind of capex type projects is just over five million dollars through 27.

977
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,480
Okay, so I don't want to nitpick.

978
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,340
There's no black boxes on this.

979
01:16:00,780 --> 01:16:03,280
But once you see one, it isn't a total of that color.

980
01:16:08,820 --> 01:16:10,660
You're right.

981
01:16:10,900 --> 01:16:11,620
You're right.

982
01:16:12,380 --> 01:16:12,680
You're right.

983
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:13,620
So it's okay.

984
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:16,540
I mean, I mean, these are, I could tell there's a deck.

985
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,480
So you're manually entering the things.

986
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:23,180
Yeah, but my bad for making it, sorry, the math, not the math thing.

987
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,080
And then I just have one question on here.

988
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:36,480
So library refresh in 2026 we budgeted 171 for phase one of the library refresh.

989
01:16:37,140 --> 01:16:44,160
And of course now we know that the library refreshes and starting to October, which pushes us into the 27.

990
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:52,320
So, is the 171 we budgeted for 26 for library, which we're not going to spend?

991
01:16:52,860 --> 01:16:54,100
It's the 175.

992
01:16:54,380 --> 01:16:55,200
On this chart.

993
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:56,120
Or 175.

994
01:16:56,260 --> 01:16:57,380
I think it was 171.

995
01:16:57,460 --> 01:16:58,300
But let's say it's 175.

996
01:16:58,780 --> 01:16:59,280
That's fine.

997
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,660
But we budgeted it in 2026.

998
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:08,140
Is that a plus to our 2026 budget?

999
01:17:08,220 --> 01:17:10,140
Now that we're not spending it?

1000
01:17:11,340 --> 01:17:11,640
No.

1001
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:13,500
I mean, it-

1002
01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:14,140
It-

1003
01:17:14,140 --> 01:17:22,080
any of it. So it's CIP. It's one time. Yeah, you spend it when you spend it. Basically,

1004
01:17:22,300 --> 01:17:27,200
what it comes down to, you budget it within the CIP budget, but then you spend it when you spend

1005
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:32,040
it and then it not available for anything else after that. Okay. So it was always in the CIP budget,

1006
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:36,960
the library refresh. That was what the budget decision was last spring was to put it in the CIP.

1007
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,020
Okay. And you can cross fiscal years if you do it that way. Yeah. Got it.

1008
01:17:47,680 --> 01:18:05,480
This slide contains all of the other reserve funding proposals that were either grant funded or came out of the surf capex funds that we use for equipment replacement and capital replacement.

1009
01:18:06,220 --> 01:18:22,640
And so this totals checking the math, 164, 800 for these particular funds, and this was all the things from the list that we discussed back on the 7th.

1010
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:37,260
And I have one question for the chief on the emergency ops plan at $60,000, what does that include 60,000?

1011
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:38,240
Great question.

1012
01:18:38,780 --> 01:18:46,220
So that's going to be something that as we get into that, we're going to need to determine both for at a staff level and then ultimately at a council level.

1013
01:18:46,220 --> 01:18:57,240
So based on on that number that basically gets us an EOP plan through the use of a consultant and some limited training.

1014
01:18:59,820 --> 01:19:03,360
So plan with a consultant and training.

1015
01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:03,800
Correct.

1016
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:05,780
It's some limited training.

1017
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,060
So it'd be like a initial training on the EOP itself.

1018
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:11,500
In other words, how does that actually function?

1019
01:19:11,860 --> 01:19:11,980
Right.

1020
01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:13,600
That type of thing.

1021
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:18,580
maybe a partial or, you know, an introductory tabletop type thing.

1022
01:19:19,620 --> 01:19:24,260
And then we would also do in-house training, through like the FEMA trainings of 400 to 800,

1023
01:19:24,260 --> 01:19:25,200
those kind of things.

1024
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:30,140
And then it would be something that, you know, down the road, the council would need to determine

1025
01:19:30,140 --> 01:19:32,280
if we want to do more expanded training.

1026
01:19:32,540 --> 01:19:33,020
Facility.

1027
01:19:33,620 --> 01:19:34,100
Facility.

1028
01:19:34,420 --> 01:19:34,560
Okay.

1029
01:19:35,700 --> 01:19:40,520
The EOP process would also include a public engagement as well.

1030
01:19:40,820 --> 01:19:41,200
Oh, good.

1031
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:41,800
Okay.

1032
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:42,420
Thank you.

1033
01:19:42,420 --> 01:19:43,920
So

1034
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:59,980
looking at how these numbers then roll into the budget for a job.

1035
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:23,840
We trusted budget for 27. We'd end up at 5.9 million dollars in revenue. We're proposing 6.299 million dollars in expenditures and with a net difference of 3.23.

1036
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,260
So I just wanted to show that that's before we add in any of the capital.

1037
01:20:27,940 --> 01:20:36,760
That's us cutting last year's deficit, adopted deficit in half, roughly, for that.

1038
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:45,160
Then we would add in the other pieces on top of that that we listed on those prior slides.

1039
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:56,700
Sorry, both the 164, 800, and then also these numbers here for the continuing and new projects.

1040
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:02,080
But according to these, the funding sources within the general fund, if it's coming on CIP, it's served for SLS.

1041
01:21:02,380 --> 01:21:07,160
I mean, but overall we're still spending all the money from various funds, spending the money.

1042
01:21:07,300 --> 01:21:08,080
We have spending the money.

1043
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,840
So I just wanted to be on the big picture.

1044
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,400
This is general fund only at this point.

1045
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:22,420
But I wanted, I wanted the public to know that we did cut the general fund deficit roughly and half from what we had adopted a year ago.

1046
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:29,220
Well, that was because also the RPT, whatever it is, whatever the initials are.

1047
01:21:29,820 --> 01:21:38,700
We didn't realize we thought the hit was going to be bigger in 2007, but it actually wound up bigger in 2006, correct?

1048
01:21:38,700 --> 01:21:45,400
Yeah. Yeah, it was already eliminated completely in 27. We just didn't know how big or little

1049
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:50,660
they had was going to be in 26. Right. So that was that was the thing. We had it originally

1050
01:21:50,660 --> 01:21:59,460
at 0 for 27. We did have it at 0 in 27. Perfect. All right. So. And just quickly, when you're saying

1051
01:21:59,460 --> 01:22:05,700
that you so I'm looking at the salaries and benefits and the services and supplies give me big cuts that

1052
01:22:07,020 --> 01:22:11,680
And we kind of, you know, I think, did I include some of that in here?

1053
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:18,260
Yeah, on the, on the expense side, I think, I'll skip down to the middle of the slide there.

1054
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:22,780
You know, really the re-organic of those positions is creating some ongoing cost savings.

1055
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:31,200
But, you know, that gets netted against the fact that, you know, there's 3% colis and other things being added in 27.

1056
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:42,100
So, that's going to be a diminishing benefit over time, but that's a difference between what we had programmed in the 27 budget was a really different structure.

1057
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:50,840
And even on the, in the same on the services supplies on IT subscriptions, we've talked about that a little bit of a specific plus.

1058
01:22:51,260 --> 01:22:53,480
We're really arguing to have some cost savings there.

1059
01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:59,340
The other thing that's saving us costs is the seasonal worker program.

1060
01:22:59,380 --> 01:23:01,700
This is part of the re-org of the salaries and benefits.

1061
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:07,620
The seasonal worker program is really making a difference in terms of reducing our service

1062
01:23:07,620 --> 01:23:08,920
of supply costs.

1063
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:14,820
And so I think that one in particular, as part of the re-org package, that the City Manager

1064
01:23:14,820 --> 01:23:20,200
brought and that the council approved, those are really how we are saving a lot of those

1065
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:21,680
funds there in that.

1066
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:27,440
But even though we have, that's good, but we have consultants in some spots now that are

1067
01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:32,640
or seasonal workers, maybe not as many consultants, but we've got the engineering folks

1068
01:23:33,540 --> 01:23:40,860
right? We do. And then we had, you had a, you had a engineering contractor for much larger

1069
01:23:40,860 --> 01:23:46,400
amount. Correct. So there's things there. Yep. And then we didn't have the public works roll filled

1070
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:52,340
for the year, so there's some savings there that we should actually have in 27, because

1071
01:23:52,340 --> 01:23:56,360
the role I'm not going to jinx this little, I'll stop saying the sentence. We all know

1072
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:58,440
where I was going with it.

1073
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:03,340
No, I didn't hear it. I mean, I didn't hear anything. Sorry. I won't finish speaking the sentence,

1074
01:24:03,460 --> 01:24:10,200
but you understand. Yes. So even even with that included, I just want to know, is that one

1075
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,920
of the positions that we, we were factoring in a savings from?

1076
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:20,020
I think we were expecting really the savings on the services supplies of the engineering services.

1077
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:28,980
I think what you got this year was we got engineering services this year pretty much for the cost of the public works director vacancy.

1078
01:24:31,380 --> 01:24:32,920
But that's twenty-six.

1079
01:24:32,940 --> 01:24:34,340
That's the twenty-six story, right?

1080
01:24:34,740 --> 01:24:42,480
The twenty-seven budget does show the public works director filled and probably reduction in some of those works,

1081
01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:47,060
but not in elimination of that work, but certainly down from where we were when we had the

1082
01:24:47,060 --> 01:24:48,340
engineering services contract.

1083
01:24:49,100 --> 01:24:49,280
Okay.

1084
01:24:49,540 --> 01:24:54,540
I think one of the big differences to move forward with the engineering services contract is

1085
01:24:54,540 --> 01:24:59,980
working as needed, and a lot of that work can be attributed to...

1086
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:11,020
Certain funds, so if they're working on the road project, it's going through there, not the general fund. Whereas when we had multiple people in the last couple years, a lot of that was kind of general fund.

1087
01:25:11,140 --> 01:25:12,920
And so was a bigger hit to that fund.

1088
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:20,640
There was also a lot that we were paying for in that engineering services contract that the public works director will be able to take on.

1089
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:27,880
the clean water, meetings, and the transportation meetings, and a number of things that we were paying

1090
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:32,380
a contractor to attend, we will have staff and staff hours to do that.

1091
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:39,300
And I've come to believe and understand how many hours that is for all of those programs.

1092
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:45,540
So that's also kind of really changing and being reflected in that 27-budget as well.

1093
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:46,880
It's like going to the empty meetings.

1094
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:55,060
But the bottom line is that using a staff person as opposed to the contractor is a reduced

1095
01:25:55,980 --> 01:26:03,400
Right absolutely. Okay, just the straight hourly rate even even if we want to add 30% on top for pennies

1096
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:05,460
It's a considerable savings

1097
01:26:05,460 --> 01:26:09,220
May ask it just a quick question and then I think I'm done asking questions

1098
01:26:09,220 --> 01:26:16,120
The numbers that you have in these slides like the larger numbers is is that from this detail here?

1099
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:23,780
Yeah, great, great question, so, and we actually, I don't know if I included fund balance in the detail sheet.

1100
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:28,000
I don't see a balance at the bottom of them, but I'm curious if that's where the numbers came from.

1101
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:34,780
They come from another table inside that same workbook, but it's all based on that same day.

1102
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,720
So you're going to hate me, but I'm going to tell you anyway.

1103
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,480
The numbers don't, the rows don't line up.

1104
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,940
They do line up by account number.

1105
01:26:44,940 --> 01:26:53,200
Okay. Yes, go across with the route with the line items. We made sure that they aligned the line items the line the account codes lined up

1106
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:54,400
That's why there's skip lines

1107
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:55,640
So

1108
01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:00,480
I'm looking at page seven. Okay. I must be missed one

1109
01:27:02,060 --> 01:27:07,540
It will actually we should start on page six because that's the first one. I found there. Sorry

1110
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:09,280
Okay

1111
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:14,560
Let me see hold on a second. I was doing this at home with my ruler

1112
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:19,160
I don't have the ruler here. Okay, nope go to page 7.

1113
01:27:21,340 --> 01:27:23,200
It's one that's got, well as soon as we start putting

1114
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:29,570
OT on is when it gets messed up. So hold on. 8, page 8.

1115
01:27:31,940 --> 01:27:34,920
Better than page 1. It's page 7 the

1116
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:36,240
in the packet, I think.

1117
01:27:41,970 --> 01:27:47,610
Page 8, I'm sorry. Where are you looking? So if we look at the adjusted,

1118
01:27:47,610 --> 01:27:53,950
So you've got adoptive versus adjusted in the area that is between

1119
01:27:59,300 --> 01:28:03,900
over time. Okay, so if I'm looking on the right column with over time

1120
01:28:03,900 --> 01:28:11,500
Mm-hmm on the adopted side. There's no over time there. It's down. It's down a row

1121
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:16,700
row number

1122
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:19,820
My sheet is cut off

1123
01:28:20,700 --> 01:28:22,060
So it's

1124
01:28:22,060 --> 01:28:32,400
One, two, two, two, eleven, seventy-one, one, three, is the overtime row with 24,000 in it, is that what you're seeing?

1125
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:33,200
Council on?

1126
01:28:33,260 --> 01:28:33,460
Yep.

1127
01:28:34,740 --> 01:28:36,400
And then, um, so...

1128
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,900
All the way down to building grounds maintenance.

1129
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:44,660
So, I think what that's going to affect is that the net change,

1130
01:28:52,210 --> 01:28:54,610
and we'll end up with this thing a hundred times in this that one.

1131
01:28:59,380 --> 01:29:10,140
It seems to be, in all the pages after that, any time that there was an overtime row, the rows got skewed, but it gets really big. I'll just show bigger numbers.

1132
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:14,140
If you go to slide 72, so page 10,

1133
01:29:18,010 --> 01:29:26,390
and if you've got them by the fun number, then maybe that maybe it's okay on your side, but when I'm looking at it, look all the way over to the right in the difference column.

1134
01:29:26,390 --> 01:29:27,370
Yes, sir.

1135
01:29:27,370 --> 01:29:27,470
Yes, sir.

1136
01:29:27,650 --> 01:29:31,350
And you've got General Supplies 20,000.

1137
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:36,390
There's no General Supplies over on the left, but the difference says it's 8,125.

1138
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:40,860
I'm not seeing what?

1139
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:42,080
Okay.

1140
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:43,260
So page 10.

1141
01:29:43,540 --> 01:29:44,280
It's under.

1142
01:29:44,440 --> 01:29:46,420
See where it says restrict in the middle of the page.

1143
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:51,080
Restricted grants, grant revenue, peg fee, grant revenue.

1144
01:29:52,220 --> 01:29:54,760
Whatever that acronym is, SLESF, interest.

1145
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:59,900
Okay, and then you see the 327,000 across from that?

1146
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:11,080
Okay, now go down about 7 or 8 lines. General supplies, 73, 11 is the code. And then General

1147
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:18,080
supplies says 20,000, but when you look at the difference over to the right. It says 81, 85, that

1148
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:23,860
that math doesn't. And then it's all the way down until you get to the black line, the

1149
01:30:23,860 --> 01:30:29,180
numbers seem to be off. Okay. So I just, my whole point, we don't have to do it right now,

1150
01:30:29,180 --> 01:30:33,820
is just, if you were getting your numbers for this sheet off of here, just to make sure that

1151
01:30:33,820 --> 01:30:36,400
they all line up and match, because I found it on several pages.

1152
01:30:38,850 --> 01:30:49,650
So I think that definitely would play into a missile of the difference column, the variance

1153
01:30:49,650 --> 01:30:50,150
column.

1154
01:30:51,230 --> 01:30:56,690
But I want to go back and make sure, because typically we'll look at the variance column

1155
01:30:56,690 --> 01:31:03,230
both ways, where we add it, but we also run it as the difference between the expenditure

1156
01:31:03,230 --> 01:31:08,810
and revenue, and you would verify your variance that way, too.

1157
01:31:09,210 --> 01:31:13,690
So even if you had misalignment, as long as the bottom numbers, the expenditure and revenue

1158
01:31:13,690 --> 01:31:17,230
numbers were netted against each other, you would have an accurate picture.

1159
01:31:17,770 --> 01:31:17,870
Okay.

1160
01:31:19,230 --> 01:31:21,310
I'm very confident we're there.

1161
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:22,450
Okay, hold on.

1162
01:31:22,570 --> 01:31:22,670
Yeah.

1163
01:31:22,830 --> 01:31:25,410
So I'm going to, that's what I'm going to come in on the expenditure side.

1164
01:31:25,410 --> 01:31:32,770
Yeah. So when you look at what was presented in the prior meeting,

1165
01:31:35,330 --> 01:31:35,550
on the

1166
01:31:35,550 --> 01:31:47,030
expenditure side for FY27, we were showing 7.008 million. And now for end of year

1167
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:55,250
projection in 2007, we are projecting 6.229 million. It's a swing of like 800,000.

1168
01:31:55,250 --> 01:32:02,350
It's because we took all of the CIP projects out of that 7 million.

1169
01:32:02,550 --> 01:32:04,350
Is that what that's what the difference is?

1170
01:32:04,350 --> 01:32:08,510
Yeah, so this is just became pure general fund.

1171
01:32:09,030 --> 01:32:12,350
That's why we created these other two tables.

1172
01:32:12,450 --> 01:32:13,330
No, that's great.

1173
01:32:14,430 --> 01:32:15,790
And that was the direction we got there.

1174
01:32:15,910 --> 01:32:17,910
Yeah, that's exactly what it should be.

1175
01:32:18,030 --> 01:32:22,330
So if we look at the other one, it should total up to 800,000.

1176
01:32:22,330 --> 01:32:34,380
Yeah, so if you did 164-8, and then, well, the 575,

1177
01:32:36,870 --> 01:32:38,430
plus the 164,

1178
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:43,900
called 165, plus 575.

1179
01:32:46,260 --> 01:32:47,840
Yeah, okay, that's fine. Cool.

1180
01:32:48,620 --> 01:32:50,960
Wasn't clear, because I couldn't tell, that's, it wasn't.

1181
01:32:51,380 --> 01:32:54,100
Yeah, so that, yeah, I just took your recommendation.

1182
01:32:54,460 --> 01:32:55,260
We pulled that stuff out.

1183
01:32:55,260 --> 01:32:57,540
I think that's the right way to look at it. Put it in the separate table.

1184
01:32:58,180 --> 01:33:01,520
because it's not truly general fund and you need to identify the funds.

1185
01:33:02,900 --> 01:33:04,100
And you went to the most successful.

1186
01:33:04,380 --> 01:33:07,120
I have one question again for the Chief.

1187
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:07,800
Sorry, Chief.

1188
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:16,660
I know we're talking about about $199,000 an over time now through the end of June.

1189
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:22,100
Are we anticipating more over time costs in 2027?

1190
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:33,480
For the budgeted amount, so the budgeted amount, I think for 2027 is 171, I probably have that wrong, but for over time.

1191
01:33:33,620 --> 01:33:34,100
For over time.

1192
01:33:37,060 --> 01:33:39,760
We're not making any adjustments to that at this time.

1193
01:33:40,340 --> 01:33:50,700
So the primary impact to the over time budget was the loss of two officers, right, the left and the back and then we also had some injuries.

1194
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:58,920
So, typically, it's always, it's always a balance game, you know, and every agency I've worked with

1195
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:05,920
the overtime typically exceeds the budget of the amount, no matter how fine of a point you try to put on it.

1196
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:09,240
So, I don't anticipate changing it, per se.

1197
01:34:09,740 --> 01:34:17,240
We may come back mid-year once we have a better idea of what that's going to look like once we get into that fiscal year.

1198
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:22,320
We have two officers now coming on, you know, one is finishing his training this week.

1199
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:23,960
Happy to announce that.

1200
01:34:24,780 --> 01:34:29,020
And then we have the other one that we'll be hitting the streets in about eight weeks or so.

1201
01:34:29,300 --> 01:34:32,300
So we'll be fully up to staff, right?

1202
01:34:32,460 --> 01:34:33,280
Deployed staff.

1203
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:38,020
So I'm not anticipating changes at this moment.

1204
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:38,680
Okay.

1205
01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:43,380
It may be something that we revisit at mid-year, based on that trajectory.

1206
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,580
And I'm getting a better sense of what that looks like here.

1207
01:34:47,100 --> 01:34:48,420
If that makes sense.

1208
01:34:48,700 --> 01:34:50,360
And we have no openings now, right?

1209
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:50,720
Correct.

1210
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:52,120
Okay. Thank you.

1211
01:34:52,220 --> 01:34:53,040
Yeah, thank you.

1212
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:59,860
Maybe as an action item going forward when we budget for out years, we just assume a level over time.

1213
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:07,540
Satisfying with the assistance of our running rate and then ad a buffer. Like that way, you have good news rather than bad news.

1214
01:35:09,020 --> 01:35:18,800
So, just as just a thought, if I can comment on that, just yeah what one approach that I've taken in the past is running a three-year mean.

1215
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:31,880
Yeah. And then and then buffer off that. So I think there's some ways to better project for that and then hopefully moving as we move forward into upcoming budget years will will be more on that trajectory.

1216
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:33,600
Sound great.

1217
01:35:35,060 --> 01:35:37,520
I only have a couple more questions I hope. Sorry.

1218
01:35:39,220 --> 01:35:49,500
The downtown park assessment, projection, or no, the adjustment, how is it $16,000 lower?

1219
01:35:50,380 --> 01:35:53,380
I mean, it's not that much, but I'm just curious,

1220
01:35:55,970 --> 01:35:57,830
page 8 or page 70 in the packet.

1221
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:02,360
It's fun to 11.

1222
01:36:05,980 --> 01:36:07,800
It's a bit at the very top of the page.

1223
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:16,920
So a lot of these, we go back and we look at what we actually got this year and we make those adjustments.

1224
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:28,320
And in that one in particular, we assign code A code to that one as a reason for why that was.

1225
01:36:28,340 --> 01:36:32,420
And I think that was fine tune due to historical figures.

1226
01:36:32,420 --> 01:36:41,020
Okay, and then what about the down lower on that page above the last street light assessment?

1227
01:36:41,700 --> 01:36:43,020
What's other professional services?

1228
01:36:43,740 --> 01:36:45,880
Who are what is that for?

1229
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:47,460
For which house fund was it?

1230
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:48,140
212.

1231
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:54,120
200 and almost $290,000.

1232
01:36:54,340 --> 01:36:56,340
It was $298,000.

1233
01:36:57,160 --> 01:37:02,560
So that is, you know, the make sure I'm looking at the right thing here.

1234
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:03,980
It says it's in the gag.

1235
01:37:05,300 --> 01:37:08,240
So the engineering firm we've had do the assessments.

1236
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:12,400
So BSK would be a part of that.

1237
01:37:12,580 --> 01:37:15,800
The engineer's soils repair that you just approve.

1238
01:37:15,900 --> 01:37:18,920
That'll be a part of that because those are all just other

1239
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:20,000
professional services.

1240
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:26,980
So can't think of any others in the gag that we've

1241
01:37:26,980 --> 01:37:29,600
brought to you at this point.

1242
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:30,700
Okay.

1243
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:40,680
So, that we've got the engineering inspection, we've got legal, okay, so those other, the soil

1244
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:45,420
repair is in other professional services versus coming out of the actual gas assessment.

1245
01:37:47,460 --> 01:37:52,120
It comes out, it's paid from the gas assessment. The revenue source is the gas assessment.

1246
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:58,040
It's an expense of the gas. It's an other professional services, that's just the name of the county.

1247
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:00,540
Okay. But it's an expense of the

1248
01:38:00,540 --> 01:38:00,900
GAD.

1249
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:01,220
Okay.

1250
01:38:01,660 --> 01:38:04,340
All right. Yeah, we use that same

1251
01:38:04,340 --> 01:38:04,880
Description.

1252
01:38:05,260 --> 01:38:06,900
It's basically our contracted services.

1253
01:38:07,980 --> 01:38:10,260
Okay. And then the project

1254
01:38:10,260 --> 01:38:12,020
Cost, that's in a different district.

1255
01:38:12,540 --> 01:38:14,680
And then the only other one that I really

1256
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:16,860
I'm curious about in the LMD.

1257
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:21,460
How are we going to have less

1258
01:38:21,460 --> 01:38:22,680
Contract seasonal labor?

1259
01:38:24,480 --> 01:38:28,380
So, the contracted, the contracted

1260
01:38:28,380 --> 01:38:30,100
Seasonal labor we've been cutting back

1261
01:38:30,100 --> 01:38:34,380
And that's what has become our seasonal workers that are employed by the City of Clayton.

1262
01:38:35,540 --> 01:38:43,880
So we shifted this past year when we shifted away from a temp service, that's what

1263
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:44,760
you saw there.

1264
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:51,020
So the number going down is the result of the implementation of, and we didn't know that

1265
01:38:51,020 --> 01:38:56,520
when we made the adopted budget last year, that's something we implemented last summer was

1266
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:57,580
the seasonal program.

1267
01:38:57,580 --> 01:39:04,440
And so that eliminated the need for seasonal labor from the temp agency, and that's why that number's gone down.

1268
01:39:04,740 --> 01:39:10,960
I still don't understand why the labor that you have, why it's not coming out of the LMD, because they're now in salaries.

1269
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:16,280
So we've increased the salary number. It's not contract anymore.

1270
01:39:17,420 --> 01:39:21,900
There's seasonal workers that are employed by the city. So it's in a salary line item.

1271
01:39:22,060 --> 01:39:23,580
So it's up above. Correct.

1272
01:39:23,580 --> 01:39:24,500
Thank you.

1273
01:39:29,430 --> 01:39:34,030
But doesn't a portion of that go through be charged to the LMD?

1274
01:39:34,290 --> 01:39:35,070
It's within the general.

1275
01:39:35,470 --> 01:39:37,190
It's actually what she's saying.

1276
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:38,790
It is being charged there, yes.

1277
01:39:39,390 --> 01:39:46,610
So the labor, whether it's contracted or by employees, is being charged to the LMD,

1278
01:39:47,230 --> 01:39:48,270
where the revenue lives.

1279
01:39:48,290 --> 01:39:49,510
It's just in the different column now.

1280
01:39:49,550 --> 01:39:51,290
It's just in a different account.

1281
01:39:51,330 --> 01:39:52,410
Yeah, light account.

1282
01:39:52,690 --> 01:39:53,010
Thank you.

1283
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,960
And I think that points to the importance of the LMD, right?

1284
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:09,660
The assessment piece. If we didn't have that, we wouldn't have the labor.

1285
01:40:10,940 --> 01:40:17,220
So, just to kind of bring us back a little bit, the staff of work doesn't have a recommendation,

1286
01:40:18,340 --> 01:40:27,720
but in the deck, there's a recommendation to approve these FY27 revisions, including the augmentations.

1287
01:40:28,740 --> 01:40:32,480
So, am I just, so I'm understand this correctly?

1288
01:40:33,020 --> 01:40:39,580
The FY27 revisions are represented on page 80 of 83 on the deck,

1289
01:40:39,900 --> 01:40:43,680
which are the column that says difference adopted to adjusted,

1290
01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:49,720
and so it reflects increase in revenue of 4719

1291
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:55,040
and a decrease in expenditures of 339172.

1292
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:57,020
That is what is being asked to be approved.

1293
01:40:57,020 --> 01:41:05,580
you're correct. And then the augmentations is that, where is that detailed out? That is, oops.

1294
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:12,820
That's these two tables here. These are the augmentations.

1295
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:20,420
Okay, great. So, these are the reserve, some reserves, fund spending, some CIP spending,

1296
01:41:20,540 --> 01:41:26,120
some other source spending here, as these are consistent with everything that we discussed in the past.

1297
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:32,100
These are like the list of projects that we're going to be doing in 27 and maybe have some carryover who knows

1298
01:41:33,820 --> 01:41:34,300
to

1299
01:41:34,300 --> 01:41:38,060
Bring us more current on our interest a lot of our infrastructure

1300
01:41:38,060 --> 01:41:45,420
So good stuff the things that you put that earlier in the staff report like the signage and all the other stuff is that also

1301
01:41:45,420 --> 01:41:51,140
In compass here because I think we talked about those in the same context at some point, but I'm not sure if they're they're here as well

1302
01:41:51,140 --> 01:41:56,100
They are not necessarily here. Some things are the the like the pavement plan is here

1303
01:41:56,120 --> 01:42:04,360
We talked about that earlier, but having to buy new stop signs, having to paint all that. It's not really here because we haven't really priced that out

1304
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:08,940
So we're gathering estimates on those things now to add to that

1305
01:42:08,940 --> 01:42:15,140
So we're gonna come back in a later time for more 27 stuff. I believe I believe we will have to I mean if you know that

1306
01:42:15,140 --> 01:42:17,260
Let's we're gonna delay some of those to 28

1307
01:42:17,260 --> 01:42:20,040
Under her understood

1308
01:42:20,620 --> 01:42:23,060
Okay, I just want to be clear on like what we should expect.

1309
01:42:23,300 --> 01:42:23,880
Yeah, no.

1310
01:42:23,940 --> 01:42:24,860
It's good.

1311
01:42:24,980 --> 01:42:25,740
All right.

1312
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:26,100
Cool.

1313
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:27,960
I'm.

1314
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:28,960
I just have one last question.

1315
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:31,240
Why is GIS more tough?

1316
01:42:31,980 --> 01:42:32,240
Yay.

1317
01:42:32,500 --> 01:42:33,020
Somebody noticed.

1318
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:35,340
Because it was going to be on their twice.

1319
01:42:36,100 --> 01:42:41,160
So it was in the CIP already that you approved in last January.

1320
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,940
And so and then we had also added it to that other piece.

1321
01:42:45,100 --> 01:42:46,240
And so I just took one of them off.

1322
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:48,640
But I want to leave it on there just to be faithful.

1323
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:49,660
And they're different amounts.

1324
01:42:49,660 --> 01:42:51,040
And there are different amounts.

1325
01:42:51,860 --> 01:42:52,900
I kept the higher one.

1326
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:53,840
I'll just be honest.

1327
01:42:54,900 --> 01:42:56,100
So I don't see it.

1328
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:59,420
I found the same page, second, or third line from the top.

1329
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,880
Oh, because my page is cut off on my printout.

1330
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:03,600
I see it now.

1331
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:04,500
Thank you.

1332
01:43:08,790 --> 01:43:08,990
OK.

1333
01:43:09,370 --> 01:43:10,190
Other questions for Sir?

1334
01:43:12,580 --> 01:43:12,860
All right.

1335
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:14,060
Public comment.

1336
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:16,760
Seeing none.

1337
01:43:17,220 --> 01:43:17,940
Close public comment.

1338
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:19,020
Bring back staff.

1339
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:24,060
So we are being asked to approve FY27 budget revisions.

1340
01:43:27,530 --> 01:43:29,210
No, just 27.

1341
01:43:30,810 --> 01:43:31,350
No, not 26.

1342
01:43:32,830 --> 01:43:33,630
26 is.

1343
01:43:35,790 --> 01:43:35,810
Yeah.

1344
01:43:36,490 --> 01:43:46,150
Which has a net impact of favorable of 300 and 36.

1345
01:43:47,590 --> 01:43:51,930
No, 34,000 ish.

1346
01:43:52,710 --> 01:43:54,870
And then also these other project items as well.

1347
01:43:54,870 --> 01:43:58,970
So, any other discussion on these or do we have a motion?

1348
01:44:05,230 --> 01:44:06,690
I'll move for approval.

1349
01:44:08,290 --> 01:44:09,310
I'll second.

1350
01:44:10,410 --> 01:44:10,550
Okay.

1351
01:44:11,470 --> 01:44:11,990
He's a cool.

1352
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:12,590
Yeah.

1353
01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:13,810
Council member Diaz.

1354
01:44:15,210 --> 01:44:15,470
Yes.

1355
01:44:15,670 --> 01:44:16,550
Council member Trippiano.

1356
01:44:16,890 --> 01:44:17,190
Yes.

1357
01:44:17,470 --> 01:44:18,250
Council member Tillman.

1358
01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:20,410
Vice Mayor Nia?

1359
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:22,010
And Mayor One?

1360
01:44:22,670 --> 01:44:23,890
Okay, motion carries five zero.

1361
01:44:24,530 --> 01:44:24,970
All right.

1362
01:44:26,030 --> 01:44:26,890
Thank you.

1363
01:44:27,610 --> 01:44:31,790
With that, we move on to our final item of the night.

1364
01:44:32,710 --> 01:44:40,990
this is item 70, a discussion on the transaction and use text or a sales tax is a more

1365
01:44:40,990 --> 01:44:46,910
of a colloquial way to say that, and the landscape maintenance district assessment renewal.

1366
01:44:47,830 --> 01:44:49,690
So I will take this one,

1367
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:55,120
because I asked for this to be on, and the reason why I did that

1368
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:59,520
was we had a lot of discussion here at Council on several meetings talking about this.

1369
01:45:00,740 --> 01:45:25,380
But I had concerns that we weren't having the, we didn't get to a place where we were presenting a cohesive message about what we, what we needed to do to get from here to there and what types of information that we wanted to see both presented to us and presented to the community.

1370
01:45:25,380 --> 01:45:32,900
So, rather than kind of like have individual phone calls with everyone, I thought it'd be worthwhile to have a discussion here.

1371
01:45:33,300 --> 01:45:38,160
There's no agenda item or there's no content in the agenda item.

1372
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:40,760
It's just at open discussion. There's no action either.

1373
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:48,120
There's just a way I want to make sure that we are comfortable with the information that we've been presented.

1374
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:54,380
and if there are additional information that we want or that we ask, staff to present,

1375
01:45:55,240 --> 01:46:01,860
we can communicate that to them in this format so that it's all okay with Mala.

1376
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:07,480
And then when staff comes back at our next meeting, because I think at our next meeting,

1377
01:46:07,940 --> 01:46:11,180
staff is going to bring back draft language for both of these things.

1378
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:15,200
And I want us to be in a position where we're not saying, hey, I need more.

1379
01:46:15,820 --> 01:46:20,700
Or, or this isn't what I was thinking whatever, so I just want to be able to give guidance to that.

1380
01:46:20,740 --> 01:46:26,880
If you are completely comfortable with everything that's been presented so far, then you would have no comment here.

1381
01:46:27,660 --> 01:46:33,920
But if you want something else, or, you know, because I've heard for a lot from the community, hey, you guys want to do this thing,

1382
01:46:34,100 --> 01:46:40,440
and I don't understand why you would do that, or like maybe this isn't either. That's great, or that's terrible.

1383
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:47,040
But for whatever that happens to be, if you heard from folks that they need more information

1384
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:50,860
and you want to bring that forward, this is just to open discussion to do that.

1385
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:53,280
So, that's my intro.

1386
01:46:55,160 --> 01:47:00,300
Well, and this is part of the discussion I had with our city manager today because you

1387
01:47:00,300 --> 01:47:07,780
know I'm getting a lot of questions and I want to make sure true that we're all on the same

1388
01:47:07,780 --> 01:47:16,480
page and that the next meeting on May 19th we're going to have a deeper dive into this.

1389
01:47:16,940 --> 01:47:24,760
One of the things I asked Chris today was, you know, I hear a lot of people thrown around

1390
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:30,860
this 7 million dollars, you got 7 million dollars and what do you need more money and

1391
01:47:30,860 --> 01:47:37,200
why are you talking about a sales tax increase if you've got so much money and I think we

1392
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:44,040
I just need to illustrate that some of that 7 million has obligations around it.

1393
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:46,020
It's earmarked for certain things.

1394
01:47:46,740 --> 01:47:53,600
And I would like to see us and maybe we can define this more on May 19.

1395
01:47:54,800 --> 01:48:02,160
What we think is most important for us to use the sales, the 1% sales tax for.

1396
01:48:02,740 --> 01:48:05,700
Are we going to, is it earmarked for something specific?

1397
01:48:05,700 --> 01:48:10,220
or are we going to be generic or are we just going to say infrastructure, but I know we all had

1398
01:48:10,220 --> 01:48:16,580
some ideas and mine, like extended library hours. The library has been asking for extended

1399
01:48:16,580 --> 01:48:24,600
library hours year after year after year and we've just never been able to accommodate that request

1400
01:48:25,480 --> 01:48:35,680
because we don't want to take it out of reserve. That's in finite fund. It has to be some kind of

1401
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:38,420
use of the one percent.

1402
01:48:40,660 --> 01:48:45,540
So I think that's what I would like to see like explain really

1403
01:48:45,540 --> 01:48:50,320
all of our buckets. What do we, you know, what do we have in reserve? What do we have

1404
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:57,280
in reserve? Last we did some of that tonight. Last some of these projects we have identified.

1405
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:04,540
Why we need the additional one percent and some of the things we'd like to use it for.

1406
01:49:05,820 --> 01:49:09,720
I just want to raise the concern about what we would use it for.

1407
01:49:10,060 --> 01:49:15,400
We've, you know, I think the discussions we've had so far have fashioned this as a general tax.

1408
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:19,460
So it would go into the general fund to be used for a variety of things.

1409
01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:25,000
And I would not want us to have a list unless you would like this to be a special tax.

1410
01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:27,620
Well, we list out specifically what it's used for.

1411
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:32,180
But I think I just hear a lot of people saying

1412
01:49:32,180 --> 01:49:34,880
I still can't understand why the city needs more money

1413
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:37,300
when you have so much money sitting around.

1414
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:41,040
And it really, we're not going to have that money forever.

1415
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:45,100
There's going to be a point where we're exhausting our reserves.

1416
01:49:45,700 --> 01:49:49,860
Expenses are going up, salaries are going up.

1417
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:56,360
And but I also think it might be beneficial to say we might

1418
01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:57,860
use it for certain things.

1419
01:49:57,860 --> 01:49:59,480
Maybe we can't do that.

1420
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:13,980
I think rather than, I would not say that we would be tied to any specific action, because otherwise it would not be a general tax. However, I do think it would be appropriate to say these are the types of things that the general fund does.

1421
01:50:14,460 --> 01:50:28,740
The general fund supports our public safety services. It supports our library. If we want to make sure that those services are delivered, though this is a thing that supports that, including the potential to increase those services such as library hours,

1422
01:50:28,740 --> 01:50:33,720
or better equipment or, you know, things for our public safety officers.

1423
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:40,420
Those are, I think that's a totally fair description without getting us tied to a specific

1424
01:50:40,420 --> 01:50:40,940
item.

1425
01:50:41,340 --> 01:50:47,600
And if we're making requests of staff to say, like, hey, can you bring back language that we

1426
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:48,200
can package?

1427
01:50:48,340 --> 01:50:51,940
That says something like what I said, but probably better.

1428
01:50:52,640 --> 01:51:00,540
that talks about, the use of the potential things that this would support, because any time

1429
01:51:00,540 --> 01:51:05,080
we are asking someone for money, they can say, well, what am I buying?

1430
01:51:05,460 --> 01:51:07,920
And I think that's a very question that we should have a good answer to more.

1431
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:13,480
So I turned it on the long time ago, sorry.

1432
01:51:14,780 --> 01:51:22,040
In agreeing with that, could you also point out things that we can no longer offer if this weren't in X number

1433
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:25,240
We might not be able to offer this, this, this, this, this, and this.

1434
01:51:25,420 --> 01:51:26,980
I'd like to stay here in the same 30 years.

1435
01:51:26,980 --> 01:51:27,060
In the same 30 years.

1436
01:51:27,340 --> 01:51:28,300
I would like to say the same thing.

1437
01:51:28,300 --> 01:51:28,980
That's right.

1438
01:51:29,220 --> 01:51:36,160
If the city is unable to raise sufficient funds, then there's trade offs and

1439
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:37,400
prioritization and these to happen.

1440
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:40,900
And things will inevitably go away, that currently exists.

1441
01:51:41,420 --> 01:51:45,640
And that will be a policy decision, but you can also have the same type of discussion

1442
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:48,400
saying, here's our buckets of cost.

1443
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:52,400
and it's not going to help us much to stop buying pencils,

1444
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:56,800
but it's going to help us a lot to like lose three FTEs.

1445
01:51:57,180 --> 01:52:00,740
Right, so one of the things that we have kind of ready to go

1446
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:04,480
is I've created newsletters around finance,

1447
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:07,720
talking about all of these things, we call them opportunities.

1448
01:52:07,940 --> 01:52:09,940
There's opportunities in front of us.

1449
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:15,000
You know, when you hear, you have $7 million just live on that.

1450
01:52:15,020 --> 01:52:17,440
Well, it doesn't last forever, so explaining that.

1451
01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:21,540
I pay $10,000 a year in property tax, you're getting all of my money.

1452
01:52:22,060 --> 01:52:26,100
No, we're not, this is what we're getting in property tax, so it's, it's informational in

1453
01:52:26,100 --> 01:52:29,800
nature of what it looks like and what the city receives from property tax.

1454
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:34,820
It's informational that we're looking for is support and operations because we're running

1455
01:52:34,820 --> 01:52:40,780
a deficit and the deficit will continue and eventually the $7 million becomes $0.

1456
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:46,260
What is that timeframe, that's something we were waiting to land the plane tonight on

1457
01:52:46,260 --> 01:52:51,440
budget, so we have those numbers, those projects, plug those in, and then we can add that

1458
01:52:51,440 --> 01:52:55,160
into the newsletter and get that sent out, hopefully by the end of this week.

1459
01:52:56,780 --> 01:53:00,700
Explaining the LMD, the importance of it, how was created, why it's there, what does it

1460
01:53:00,700 --> 01:53:06,740
do, all of those things, just information, so people understand, you know, if you've only

1461
01:53:06,740 --> 01:53:10,660
lived here for five years, let's say you're not sure what the LMD is, versus somebody

1462
01:53:10,660 --> 01:53:14,320
who's lived here for 30 years, you're quite familiar with it.

1463
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:19,320
So going back to the base level of all of these things and providing financial information,

1464
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:25,820
giving the community a clear picture of where we are financially, and yes, we do have reserves.

1465
01:53:26,020 --> 01:53:32,300
That's a great thing. But we're also programming some of them this year. We may need to program some

1466
01:53:32,300 --> 01:53:37,160
of them next year. We don't know. There's other projects and priorities and infrastructure projects

1467
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:43,840
that we really need to look at. You can burn through that kind of money rather quickly

1468
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:49,520
on some large projects, and it's kind of what we want this community to look like.

1469
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:54,940
The other important thing is, we're referring back to the community survey from a couple

1470
01:53:54,940 --> 01:54:00,040
of years ago, one of the biggest takeaways in reviewing that is people want Clayton to

1471
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:06,400
remain Clayton. And I've said this numerous times about development and big box stores and

1472
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:12,220
all of those things that folks don't want to do that here. So we have to raise money in a different

1473
01:54:12,220 --> 01:54:19,260
way to support the city operation, to continue to pay our employees, to recruit no employees,

1474
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:24,640
to provide safety equipment to our police officers, to provide equipment to our maintenance

1475
01:54:24,640 --> 01:54:26,960
staff that's not LMD related, right?

1476
01:54:27,860 --> 01:54:31,260
But you put the LMD head on and go, but we need that money so that we can support our maintenance

1477
01:54:31,260 --> 01:54:32,180
staff, right?

1478
01:54:32,300 --> 01:54:35,300
So it's all connected in that manner.

1479
01:54:35,860 --> 01:54:40,220
And so we have that constructed, it's ready to go, we need to update the numbers, some

1480
01:54:40,220 --> 01:54:48,100
information with reserves funding, what the projects are, and just it's very generic and we

1481
01:54:48,100 --> 01:54:54,960
need it to maintain, we're not looking for to go from gold to platinum, right? We're looking

1482
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:59,840
to just maintain and continue to do better and to continue to serve.

1483
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:05,040
The community and enhance the community. That's our goal, slowing the decline to silver.

1484
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:12,080
So we're just not for much now. So do you want feedback on this information packet?

1485
01:55:12,980 --> 01:55:13,780
From who?

1486
01:55:14,700 --> 01:55:15,320
In general.

1487
01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:18,720
That's just a question.

1488
01:55:19,180 --> 01:55:24,500
Well, I am going to send it to our city attorney for review to make sure I'm not out of bounds in any way.

1489
01:55:25,420 --> 01:55:29,700
And your news letter is scheduled to go out soon.

1490
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:31,360
Hopefully by the end of the week.

1491
01:55:31,380 --> 01:55:31,900
Okay.

1492
01:55:32,200 --> 01:55:33,200
We're going to get an update.

1493
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:34,680
I'm sorry.

1494
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:36,280
How is it being sent?

1495
01:55:36,780 --> 01:55:38,100
Uh, digitally on the website.

1496
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:40,300
Um, social media.

1497
01:55:41,860 --> 01:55:42,380
Carrier.

1498
01:55:42,760 --> 01:55:43,560
Good to meet you.

1499
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:44,420
Could be.

1500
01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:46,080
So, you know,

1501
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:46,400
you know,

1502
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:46,560
you know,

1503
01:55:47,060 --> 01:55:48,040
you're going in the mail.

1504
01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:52,480
I,

1505
01:55:53,080 --> 01:55:54,980
80 cents a copy times.

1506
01:55:56,860 --> 01:55:59,880
I just think you missed a lot of the residents.

1507
01:56:00,300 --> 01:56:03,360
What we have considered is printing copies and putting in various locations.

1508
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:08,300
Instead of mailing because it is super expensive to mail.

1509
01:56:09,180 --> 01:56:13,560
But having hard copies of L for people to pick up at different spots.

1510
01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:17,880
I have a question, fundamental.

1511
01:56:18,500 --> 01:56:23,320
I heard the city attorney say that this has, it goes into the general fund.

1512
01:56:23,320 --> 01:56:26,860
So, how are you going to translate that into specifics?

1513
01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:31,580
Because the general fund is basic operations of the city.

1514
01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:32,500
Understand that.

1515
01:56:32,500 --> 01:56:34,380
And 80% of 80%?

1516
01:56:34,620 --> 01:56:36,980
70% is this guy right here.

1517
01:56:37,900 --> 01:56:38,060
No.

1518
01:56:39,160 --> 01:56:39,640
Which?

1519
01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:40,000
Which?

1520
01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:41,680
Which by far minus 52%.

1521
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:42,780
Which by far minus 52%.

1522
01:56:43,980 --> 01:56:45,460
It's like 52%.

1523
01:56:45,460 --> 01:56:45,820
Right.

1524
01:56:47,220 --> 01:56:48,580
Which I'm leading to?

1525
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:48,840
Yeah.

1526
01:56:49,380 --> 01:56:51,800
This particular tax, or what?

1527
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:59,820
you want to characterize it. It is a general attack and not specific in nature. So I'm still

1528
01:56:59,820 --> 01:57:05,020
having a problem getting around in my head here. If it's that way, how can you come up with

1529
01:57:05,020 --> 01:57:10,640
a laundry list of things? Well, this is, I know the answer. You do? Yes, I do. Let me hear it.

1530
01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:15,640
The answer is the allocation of resources and prioritization of resources from the general fund

1531
01:57:15,640 --> 01:57:21,780
is a policy decision that we get to make. That's how we do it. Okay, but

1532
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:28,380
But I'm hearing from these two is that we're gonna say we're gonna fund you know more hours of the library

1533
01:57:28,380 --> 01:57:30,980
No, no, they have no, they have wait wait wait

1534
01:57:30,980 --> 01:57:37,420
Then I'm misheard with you guys that earlier. Yes, we were is a nuanced statement that says

1535
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:41,640
There are many things that we can fund and

1536
01:57:41,640 --> 01:57:49,220
Those will be policy decisions, but the funds themselves do not have specific restrictions or dead-of-life purposes

1537
01:57:49,220 --> 01:58:00,940
Well, let me just say in my discussion with my segment of the community, they would support a public safety tax, which would only fund and go to the police department.

1538
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:07,520
Then that would free up other funds to fill in these deficits and that.

1539
01:58:08,120 --> 01:58:15,800
So, and I've talked about that for five years, but a public safety tax, that gets a lot of traction out there.

1540
01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:22,960
When you look back, you mentioned the report, the survey, whatever, there were two things

1541
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:23,840
that came out of that.

1542
01:58:23,900 --> 01:58:28,240
One, people love being in play, and what was in number two?

1543
01:58:28,600 --> 01:58:31,460
The Pope, they love the police department, okay?

1544
01:58:31,780 --> 01:58:32,700
And the library.

1545
01:58:32,820 --> 01:58:33,720
And the library.

1546
01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:34,220
And the library.

1547
01:58:34,380 --> 01:58:34,620
And the library.

1548
01:58:34,620 --> 01:58:34,700
And the library.

1549
01:58:34,700 --> 01:58:35,660
Yeah, but not to the degree.

1550
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:37,360
Yes, they're failing.

1551
01:58:37,360 --> 01:58:38,440
You don't mean anything.

1552
01:58:38,460 --> 01:58:39,280
You don't mean anything.

1553
01:58:39,320 --> 01:58:39,480
You don't mean anything.

1554
01:58:39,480 --> 01:58:39,740
You don't mean anything.

1555
01:58:39,740 --> 01:58:40,580
You don't mean anything.

1556
01:58:40,580 --> 01:58:46,560
against each other. No, no, I'm not, I'm just, I'm just saying that's what that survey told

1557
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:53,600
me. They love living in Clayton, over 90% and over 90% say, God, we love that police department.

1558
01:58:55,260 --> 01:59:03,520
So public safety or public service tax gets a lot of traction in my section of the world.

1559
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:04,380
Thank you.

1560
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:11,460
So for me,

1561
01:59:13,500 --> 01:59:19,120
telling the story, I think, from staff is really important, like how we tell

1562
01:59:19,120 --> 01:59:29,380
the story and how we got here and the drivers is, I think it's a very straightforward story,

1563
01:59:29,380 --> 01:59:35,360
but it's not top of mind for folks, but once you hear it, I think it inherently makes sense.

1564
01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:41,180
And so, making sure that we have that fact pattern, and it's a math problem, essentially.

1565
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:50,920
It is our revenues, our fixed, and limited, and our costs are not.

1566
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:53,720
And it's very easy to see the history.

1567
01:59:54,980 --> 01:59:56,840
And so, just kind of like a couple charts.

1568
01:59:57,080 --> 01:59:58,060
Yeah, they're nice and pretty.

1569
01:59:58,240 --> 01:59:59,980
Yep, they just show the diverse...

1570
02:00:01,140 --> 02:00:03,320
I think that goes along the way.

1571
02:00:05,420 --> 02:00:09,960
I like the idea of what are the consequences if we don't.

1572
02:00:10,260 --> 02:00:18,940
Consequences may be too strong award. What's the result if we're unable to do this, then we need to start making some choices.

1573
02:00:18,940 --> 02:00:28,560
Yes, I like the explanation of the 1% like a day and a life of that 1% most of it goes away

1574
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:36,120
Yep, so that illustration that we get what 6.7 of 1% so not a lot not a lot

1575
02:00:36,120 --> 02:00:39,740
So of your 10,000 hours we get 60 bucks something like that

1576
02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:41,220
600

1577
02:00:41,820 --> 02:00:48,760
600 bucks I don't know one of those 0s but I do think that that is really illustrated

1578
02:00:48,760 --> 02:00:52,640
of the margins that we're working on.

1579
02:00:53,460 --> 02:00:55,440
And then the other idea that the reserve,

1580
02:00:55,800 --> 02:00:57,800
to your point about the reserves,

1581
02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:00,140
reserves are great, but they also,

1582
02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:03,060
growing reserves means growing deferred maintenance.

1583
02:01:04,440 --> 02:01:07,760
And there are a number of things that we haven't done,

1584
02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:09,360
that we should have been doing,

1585
02:01:09,640 --> 02:01:11,300
like keeping a street sign visible,

1586
02:01:13,220 --> 02:01:17,020
that if we had done it along the way,

1587
02:01:17,020 --> 02:01:21,280
It would have been spending somebody we wouldn't have built their services much, but I think then

1588
02:01:22,580 --> 02:01:22,980
it's like

1589
02:01:23,620 --> 02:01:25,020
It's like before you move

1590
02:01:25,020 --> 02:01:32,140
You fix up your house so that it looks great and you're like, why didn't I do this while I was living here because then I could enjoy it

1591
02:01:34,610 --> 02:01:42,470
You buy it so you know those are the types of things that we should be doing along the way so that the residents all enjoy the

1592
02:01:45,350 --> 02:01:46,830
The fruits of their taxes

1593
02:01:47,810 --> 02:01:53,390
So, I think that telling that story is, hey, we've done, we've deferred a lot of things.

1594
02:01:53,930 --> 02:01:57,030
We need to do them. That's why we have a large reserve for going to be doing them.

1595
02:01:57,190 --> 02:01:59,170
And we are. That's hence the list that we've just went over.

1596
02:01:59,250 --> 02:02:03,030
Correct. We got here because inflation is craziness.

1597
02:02:03,790 --> 02:02:09,590
I mean, if you filled out your gas tank, I think that's a pretty obvious, a pretty easy story.

1598
02:02:10,770 --> 02:02:13,930
And if we don't get to do, if we don't do this, here's what's going to happen.

1599
02:02:13,930 --> 02:02:24,890
We have the vast majority, not vast, sorry, the vast majority of our expenses is salaries, salaries and, you know, some other stuff.

1600
02:02:25,950 --> 02:02:31,010
But, well, and on top of that, yes, salaries are a big part of that.

1601
02:02:31,150 --> 02:02:40,330
But when you compare us to surrounding cities, by a number of staff, what we pay staff, worth the bottom, worth the bottom, all of that.

1602
02:02:40,330 --> 02:02:57,030
I'm throwing that in a couple of sentences, like, hey, we have a lot for their staff, but also our turnover is high in part, not in whole, but in part because attracting and maintaining and attracting talent is difficult if you pay under market.

1603
02:02:58,090 --> 02:03:00,230
And everyone should understand that, that's just a fact.

1604
02:03:00,650 --> 02:03:07,390
Like you have to get the special person who, according to our survey, those 90% who just love living here and working here, which is great.

1605
02:03:08,150 --> 02:03:14,510
But you are not in a target rich environment, so, you know, you have to find the right people and that takes time.

1606
02:03:14,770 --> 02:03:17,630
You can say like we have vacancies for X number of time.

1607
02:03:18,290 --> 02:03:22,310
And all of these are supported by the data that we have experienced.

1608
02:03:23,450 --> 02:03:28,210
So, I like the idea of kind of like the, what is it used for?

1609
02:03:28,350 --> 02:03:36,870
Because it helps people contextualize what they're paying for, not specifically, but just as a general concept of,

1610
02:03:36,870 --> 02:03:40,250
here's the things that this buys you, buys you these types of services,

1611
02:03:42,390 --> 02:03:43,150
and I would just ask

1612
02:03:43,150 --> 02:03:47,390
for my full account, so I was like the reason why I wanted to have this session is it's

1613
02:03:47,390 --> 02:03:54,270
really the question that I have is like do you have enough information to talk to your constituents

1614
02:03:54,270 --> 02:04:01,730
like right now and could you pitch this based on what you know right now, and if you can't

1615
02:04:02,510 --> 02:04:11,270
I cannot, then I think it would be beneficial to get you all of us to the point where we go.

1616
02:04:11,910 --> 02:04:19,210
I want to get back to one point that the city manager made relative to the, to, it's all centered around the reserves.

1617
02:04:20,270 --> 02:04:24,010
We've already authorized to spend it down to 40%.

1618
02:04:24,930 --> 02:04:25,470
No.

1619
02:04:25,950 --> 02:04:26,370
No.

1620
02:04:26,930 --> 02:04:28,030
What is that?

1621
02:04:28,030 --> 02:04:29,230
Then what's the 40%.

1622
02:04:29,230 --> 02:04:34,970
We have said a lot to see that the minimum reserve to maintain is 40%.

1623
02:04:34,970 --> 02:04:36,870
Okay, there is no authorization of secreting.

1624
02:04:37,470 --> 02:04:43,710
Okay, in his little talk, and I'm not trying to target you, but I want to clarification.

1625
02:04:45,410 --> 02:04:52,170
The reserves we're going to be using them, but he also said they're going to go down to zero.

1626
02:04:52,550 --> 02:04:55,750
I don't think this council would let it go down to zero if they did.

1627
02:04:55,950 --> 02:04:57,350
We have a real problem.

1628
02:04:57,350 --> 02:04:59,850
I think it was the topology that

1629
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:08,960
If we continue to deficit spend, I understand that then, you know, I got that. Logically, it would go. That's the, that's the point.

1630
02:05:09,020 --> 02:05:16,120
You and I and here in this people in this room understand that, but John Q and Mrs. Public out there, they don't know that.

1631
02:05:16,840 --> 02:05:23,460
Well, that's what we need to, that's why we're discussing it now. I think that's why you brought it up, put it on the agenda.

1632
02:05:23,460 --> 02:05:30,380
It is and I'm not I can't sell it to be honest with you. So this is that I want to have us

1633
02:05:30,380 --> 02:05:31,420
I mean obviously

1634
02:05:32,020 --> 02:05:34,450
You know, we're kind of on the spot because you there was no

1635
02:05:36,120 --> 02:05:43,000
Substance to the agenda item so obviously take time to think about it, but think about it really quick and

1636
02:05:43,800 --> 02:05:46,200
If you can't do it right now, which is okay

1637
02:05:46,200 --> 02:05:48,920
In your individual conversations

1638
02:05:49,700 --> 02:05:52,960
Communicate to staff what you would need to feel comfortable

1639
02:05:53,460 --> 02:05:57,060
So that when we when this comes before us at the next time

1640
02:05:58,660 --> 02:06:04,200
We've addressed all those things and and you will get them if you do not ask where you won't get it

1641
02:06:04,500 --> 02:06:07,580
So that that's fair I think

1642
02:06:08,920 --> 02:06:13,100
You know one of the things that when people talk to me about it

1643
02:06:13,100 --> 02:06:21,740
That I use and I think we got to put it in our newsletter is a comparison with cities around us that our sales tax is less

1644
02:06:23,140 --> 02:06:30,040
We need to bring it up to where it is, where everybody else thinks, because people are paying it now anyway.

1645
02:06:31,160 --> 02:06:36,780
The own store they could go to safely, but if they want to buy clothes, they want to buy this, they want to buy that.

1646
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:40,160
They're paying the extra tax, and we're just making it equal.

1647
02:06:40,360 --> 02:06:43,500
I think that's really important that we're behind on that.

1648
02:06:43,500 --> 02:06:45,960
We have a chart to include on in the newsletter.

1649
02:06:45,960 --> 02:07:09,920
So if people ask me to tell them that, because they don't realize that, and another thing that's hard for people to understand is everybody wants to tax, and one of the things that I got back just the other day, and I didn't even know this until I checked with the county, is that they're asking for a tax to go over 10%, which they have to get the legislature to approve.

1650
02:07:09,920 --> 02:07:14,260
And that tax is to offset the Medicare and medical and that in June.

1651
02:07:14,940 --> 02:07:19,500
Yeah. And that's to offset the medical and stuff that the federal government took away.

1652
02:07:19,500 --> 02:07:21,080
And I can understand that.

1653
02:07:21,220 --> 02:07:28,000
But what I don't understand is that each spent a million dollars on their pet projects.

1654
02:07:28,340 --> 02:07:30,980
And that money came from the reserve fund.

1655
02:07:31,540 --> 02:07:35,520
So people are asking, you're spending five million dollars in reserve.

1656
02:07:35,900 --> 02:07:39,080
And you're asking the taxpayers to pay for this tax.

1657
02:07:39,080 --> 02:07:45,140
Is that a different jurisdiction now it is but just okay people think about taxes and then becomes suspicious

1658
02:07:46,060 --> 02:07:50,280
You know and the question is what's quite spending it on so when people ask me

1659
02:07:50,280 --> 02:07:56,380
I tell them about our taxes behind and we're losing revenue and I said if you don't believe me

1660
02:07:56,720 --> 02:08:02,700
Check our budget we lost 500,000 dollars this year in revenue that we're never gonna get again

1661
02:08:03,600 --> 02:08:08,660
500,000 dollars and it's gonna keep on going down because

1662
02:08:09,080 --> 02:08:11,660
we need money to replace it.

1663
02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:14,100
And it's easy for me to explain that to people.

1664
02:08:14,300 --> 02:08:14,780
They understand.

1665
02:08:15,380 --> 02:08:16,580
They understand that.

1666
02:08:16,780 --> 02:08:17,940
You can't make it too complicated.

1667
02:08:19,060 --> 02:08:20,880
And I think you're on the right track there.

1668
02:08:21,200 --> 02:08:23,040
But I think they need to see the comparison

1669
02:08:23,040 --> 02:08:25,880
other cities tax and ours.

1670
02:08:26,140 --> 02:08:27,060
I mean, that doesn't.

1671
02:08:27,060 --> 02:08:28,880
That does it right there.

1672
02:08:29,740 --> 02:08:32,980
And talking to Council Member Truppy Island today.

1673
02:08:33,500 --> 02:08:35,060
If you want to go get a cup of coffee

1674
02:08:35,060 --> 02:08:38,720
and Joe's this closed downtown, you've got two choices.

1675
02:08:39,600 --> 02:08:45,620
Pete's Starbucks. Does anybody make a decision to go to Starbucks because there's a 1% tax break?

1676
02:08:47,180 --> 02:08:54,720
No, you just go to where you enjoy that cup of coffee. And so sharing that information sharing those kind of anecdotes of

1677
02:08:55,900 --> 02:09:01,640
When you go to Chipotle to get a burrito, you don't notice the extra 1% when you buy your lunch

1678
02:09:01,640 --> 02:09:04,240
And I don't get enough like in my burrito

1679
02:09:04,240 --> 02:09:09,580
Well, and the other thing that we talked about today too,

1680
02:09:09,640 --> 02:09:15,180
you just reminded me, was I know that HDL came back with a reconfirm

1681
02:09:15,180 --> 02:09:15,800
assessment.

1682
02:09:16,400 --> 02:09:17,120
Was that recent?

1683
02:09:17,680 --> 02:09:28,160
It was in his, it managed to report, and we talked about not just preserving that whole

1684
02:09:28,160 --> 02:09:29,160
one person.

1685
02:09:29,580 --> 02:09:33,540
It was automotive sales and what was the other thing that you mentioned today?

1686
02:09:33,540 --> 02:09:40,540
the biggest area that we're going to see growth in is on one side, so your Amazon's,

1687
02:09:41,820 --> 02:09:48,500
your tick-talking, tick-talk shop and all of those, they chewy, that's where, and we just

1688
02:09:48,500 --> 02:09:56,220
got a report that showed growth for Clayton in that area, so that 1% as we see that growth

1689
02:09:56,220 --> 02:09:59,980
become, um, can we have to tell you what map that, I guess.

1690
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:01,620
Is that disclosure information?

1691
02:10:04,850 --> 02:10:09,070
Growth or like sources? So we do have sources. Yeah, and we do have a

1692
02:10:09,070 --> 02:10:16,790
Disclosible list from HDL. Yeah, they give us some stuff that I think you fit for public consumption. Yeah, that's it's like the top 25. Yeah,

1693
02:10:16,790 --> 02:10:25,830
We were one of the few cities in the county that was showing growth. Yeah, in the online sector.

1694
02:10:25,830 --> 02:10:33,610
And so it communicates to folks, hey, it doesn't impact a lot of your behavior and we're

1695
02:10:33,610 --> 02:10:38,150
going to be able to capture things that really just help the city in this very incremental.

1696
02:10:39,350 --> 02:10:44,450
I don't know, I think if you incorporate the things, that would be really helpful.

1697
02:10:44,570 --> 02:10:46,010
So that's why I wanted to discuss this question.

1698
02:10:46,490 --> 02:10:51,650
Yeah, and you know, with online, that tax goes into the pool, we get a little piece of

1699
02:10:51,650 --> 02:10:55,850
right now, with the 1%, you get that full 1% plus the pool.

1700
02:10:56,230 --> 02:10:58,090
Yeah, so right now, they're already paying it.

1701
02:10:58,450 --> 02:11:00,410
Except we get a very small portion of that tag.

1702
02:11:00,430 --> 02:11:05,170
When I go to my retailer of choice and make a purchase,

1703
02:11:05,270 --> 02:11:07,770
I see the tags, but it doesn't go to the city.

1704
02:11:08,130 --> 02:11:09,390
A tiny sliver.

1705
02:11:10,130 --> 02:11:13,390
And if you illustrate not only the one that property tags

1706
02:11:13,390 --> 02:11:15,950
component, but if you also illustrate the base rate

1707
02:11:15,950 --> 02:11:19,470
on the sales tags as well, because of the base rate

1708
02:11:19,470 --> 02:11:26,150
was it 7 and 7.5, I think, is the, is the, or in texture, something like that, or 725 or 775, I don't remember.

1709
02:11:27,030 --> 02:11:30,630
The portion that comes to Clayton is actually quite small.

1710
02:11:31,430 --> 02:11:33,490
But a pro rate of basis by population.

1711
02:11:34,230 --> 02:11:39,150
But if you add in 1%, we get 100% of the 1%.

1712
02:11:39,150 --> 02:11:42,730
It would likely exceed the amount we get from all other taxes as well.

1713
02:11:42,830 --> 02:11:46,870
It almost equals what we're getting now from the sales tax, right?

1714
02:11:46,870 --> 02:11:47,170
Exactly.

1715
02:11:47,170 --> 02:11:51,310
the regular issue. Because we get all of it. And I think that how you can think of a better way

1716
02:11:51,310 --> 02:11:57,570
to communicate that? Yeah. But that's an idea that I do not think is very,

1717
02:12:00,520 --> 02:12:02,580
it's not in the

1718
02:12:02,580 --> 02:12:08,680
the zeitgeist. Like we don't, it's not widely known. Yeah. And a good, nothing like a good pie chart

1719
02:12:08,680 --> 02:12:14,320
or some good visuals. I mean, really. Well, I think we can go back and maybe, maybe to see if this

1720
02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:21,500
I mean, we've talked about different revenue sources kind of the three four major ones and then to put this in there as a comparison

1721
02:12:21,500 --> 02:12:28,360
So that it it's one of the pie slices if you will I mean to show the impact if it compared to because it

1722
02:12:28,360 --> 02:12:33,220
Properties if you approach 800,000. I mean, that's going to represent

1723
02:12:33,220 --> 02:12:44,080
8% or more oh no 12% or more of our level yeah versus the existing sales tax like the seven percent

1724
02:12:44,080 --> 02:12:51,660
is also right on there. So I think illustrating that this small portion is dedicated, we get

1725
02:12:52,380 --> 02:12:58,640
dedicated to the city only versus the regular sales tax goes to all county sources.

1726
02:13:00,280 --> 02:13:06,600
I just want to mention another tool you have at your disposal and not to go into it too deeply,

1727
02:13:07,140 --> 02:13:13,200
but you do have direct argument in support of the measure that you get to publish inside of the

1728
02:13:13,200 --> 02:13:17,140
regard and really to be able to lay this out and you don't have the word limit.

1729
02:13:17,140 --> 02:13:21,540
You have a word limit, but it is much larger than the word limit about what the ballot

1730
02:13:21,540 --> 02:13:26,660
measure actually says and that could become a really powerful tool for summarizing some

1731
02:13:26,660 --> 02:13:27,160
of these thoughts.

1732
02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:28,980
I don't think we've designated who's going to write that.

1733
02:13:29,000 --> 02:13:29,580
You have not.

1734
02:13:29,720 --> 02:13:34,560
I think we would bring that when you would be another decision point when you get the language

1735
02:13:34,560 --> 02:13:39,520
to think about who would author the direct argument in support of and then who would write

1736
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:43,240
They were a bottle for anybody that might put up an argument against.

1737
02:13:43,880 --> 02:13:48,260
And those, those become really key messaging opportunities in that regard.

1738
02:13:49,320 --> 02:13:49,440
Okay.

1739
02:13:52,060 --> 02:13:53,700
Well, thank you for bringing this forward.

1740
02:13:53,740 --> 02:13:54,440
This was great.

1741
02:13:54,660 --> 02:13:56,800
It was kind of the discussion we had today.

1742
02:13:56,960 --> 02:14:00,920
I'm like, I want to be able to get out there and sell it and wrap my head around it.

1743
02:14:01,580 --> 02:14:03,180
Are there things that we want to share with that?

1744
02:14:03,280 --> 02:14:04,300
Public comment, too.

1745
02:14:04,680 --> 02:14:04,800
Okay.

1746
02:14:05,120 --> 02:14:11,140
The only other thing I can just to reiterate in the newsletter, too, is if you can

1747
02:14:11,140 --> 02:14:16,980
And I think you already said you might be doing this is the deferred list, some of the items

1748
02:14:16,980 --> 02:14:17,880
that that includes.

1749
02:14:18,220 --> 02:14:19,420
Yeah, that'd be good too.

1750
02:14:20,620 --> 02:14:25,000
And then really stressing that the L&D is sunsetting and going away and what that means.

1751
02:14:25,260 --> 02:14:26,280
And what happens.

1752
02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:26,960
And what happens.

1753
02:14:27,360 --> 02:14:31,980
And what happens with that funding, and we have no other source for that.

1754
02:14:32,640 --> 02:14:35,480
So in both things, the reason why we need both of these to pass.

1755
02:14:38,070 --> 02:14:38,350
Okay.

1756
02:14:38,950 --> 02:14:38,970
Okay.

1757
02:14:38,970 --> 02:14:39,430
Public comment?

1758
02:14:40,690 --> 02:14:43,630
No, I have one more question for my council members.

1759
02:14:46,110 --> 02:14:47,590
So I can do it.

1760
02:14:47,590 --> 02:14:48,710
I can do it when we come back.

1761
02:14:50,370 --> 02:14:53,730
Okay, so I know that council member Dia said that his

1762
02:14:53,730 --> 02:14:56,910
segment of the community is not sold on this.

1763
02:14:57,530 --> 02:14:59,890
Do you need any other bullet points to help?

1764
02:15:04,140 --> 02:15:14,460
So I don't think we're doing that. So if barring us doing that, what else could we do?

1765
02:15:14,460 --> 02:15:19,600
I'm very simple when we talk, it's very simple.

1766
02:15:20,240 --> 02:15:21,220
You're Mike's dad.

1767
02:15:21,460 --> 02:15:26,800
And I think, so, Mala, if we were to do a public safety one, that's a specific, like, that's a special tax.

1768
02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:28,720
It's no longer a general tax anymore.

1769
02:15:29,140 --> 02:15:29,720
That's correct.

1770
02:15:30,780 --> 02:15:35,560
I appreciate, though, what the Council members are trying to stress is that we would help alleviate

1771
02:15:36,900 --> 02:15:41,360
taking the general fund money for the police department.

1772
02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:51,000
But what it would do, what it would do, I mean money is fungerable, so what it would do is you would then you'd funnel it one way and then you would decrement the other way and you would do the exact same result

1773
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:59,780
But then you would you would need to get a greater voter threshold to pass it. That's what I was gonna say. Yes, so I just before we left

1774
02:15:59,780 --> 02:16:02,460
I'm just curious if

1775
02:16:02,460 --> 02:16:05,420
Council member Diaz himself is okay with the general tax

1776
02:16:08,920 --> 02:16:12,740
Are you okay with the general tax or are you fine with it?

1777
02:16:12,740 --> 02:16:19,720
I'm not committing one way or the other this time.

1778
02:16:19,720 --> 02:16:24,860
Just not up for vote now. No, it isn't. I'm just saying it for you to be not committing right now.

1779
02:16:25,000 --> 02:16:30,720
I understand. I don't want your vote. I'm trying to understand how to help you swallow it more.

1780
02:16:31,160 --> 02:16:32,980
I told you how. Okay.

1781
02:16:33,820 --> 02:16:35,480
Okay. Public safety tax.

1782
02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:42,160
The people that I talk to because they're part of that 94% that love the police department during the

1783
02:16:42,160 --> 02:16:47,000
and a survey. That's bottom line.

1784
02:16:48,840 --> 02:16:50,540
Let me come on on that. Please.

1785
02:16:50,820 --> 02:16:51,680
I'd like to come on that.

1786
02:16:52,280 --> 02:16:53,640
I understand where he's coming from.

1787
02:16:53,840 --> 02:16:55,180
I don't please tax.

1788
02:16:55,960 --> 02:16:57,740
And I've seen cities do that.

1789
02:16:57,960 --> 02:17:00,660
But that's because of unresponsive councils.

1790
02:17:01,720 --> 02:17:07,440
And people get fed up when the council is not responsive to the police department.

1791
02:17:08,120 --> 02:17:11,740
But that really hurts the city by doing that.

1792
02:17:11,740 --> 02:17:18,520
Even though they get more money in their budget, that public safety tax then because it

1793
02:17:18,520 --> 02:17:23,680
becomes something of itself that has to be voted on, and who does that voting?

1794
02:17:24,160 --> 02:17:25,600
I don't think it's the council.

1795
02:17:26,080 --> 02:17:27,060
I think is it the council?

1796
02:17:27,320 --> 02:17:29,600
I thought it was a special commission that did that.

1797
02:17:29,860 --> 02:17:35,740
So the council would have to do that, and it could cause all kinds of issues, but we're

1798
02:17:35,740 --> 02:17:38,540
not at that point here, we're not at that point.

1799
02:17:38,540 --> 02:17:45,860
I mean that, it takes 66 and 2-3rds vote, you get 90 here, if we put that on there.

1800
02:17:46,080 --> 02:17:51,120
You get 90, but that's not the way to go right now.

1801
02:17:51,760 --> 02:17:57,780
I think we're the other cautionary tales of using, especially as sales tax for something

1802
02:17:57,780 --> 02:18:02,940
that's super important to the community, is that what we do know about sales tax revenue

1803
02:18:02,940 --> 02:18:11,480
as it does this. And if you're going to bank your priority for your community on revenues that

1804
02:18:11,480 --> 02:18:17,540
are going to do this, that's a risk. You're either going to have to go back and backfill

1805
02:18:17,540 --> 02:18:23,780
when you're in the dip and that's going to cost something else perhaps greater. And so it's always

1806
02:18:23,780 --> 02:18:30,740
a tough trade-off to do that when you're dedicating specific funds for that general purpose,

1807
02:18:30,740 --> 02:18:38,680
which public safety is still a general purpose when you have that kind of ebb and flow with tax revenue, especially with sales tax.

1808
02:18:39,300 --> 02:18:46,320
And I would say like, I think that those types of things are really useful in certain circumstances.

1809
02:18:46,960 --> 02:18:54,540
If our police weren't getting the support that they needed and the public said, hey, I really want to support our law enforcement.

1810
02:18:54,780 --> 02:18:57,140
So we need to give them a dedicated funding source.

1811
02:18:57,860 --> 02:19:04,220
that I think that would be appropriate but, you know, for us and the community, I've always

1812
02:19:04,220 --> 02:19:08,800
taken, I mean don't, don't, don't bet on this, but I've always taken the position to

1813
02:19:08,800 --> 02:19:15,080
please ask for something that I want to give it to them. So, I don't think we need the dedicated

1814
02:19:15,560 --> 02:19:21,160
funding source because all they have to do is ask and we'll try to support them in any

1815
02:19:21,160 --> 02:19:28,220
way we can. So that's kind of like my thinking on it. Plus it gives you a lower past threshold,

1816
02:19:28,520 --> 02:19:37,000
so strategically, it could be easier. And then, you know, as the account, I don't, the less

1817
02:19:37,000 --> 02:19:41,100
administered burden for less value, because once you have a dedicated purpose, now you need to

1818
02:19:41,100 --> 02:19:45,820
have the audit, now you need to track all the stuff, and you need to do it differently. But at the

1819
02:19:45,820 --> 02:19:49,760
end of the day, you will likely end up at the exact same spot, because what you will do is,

1820
02:19:49,760 --> 02:19:51,700
If you get $100 and a public safety task,

1821
02:19:51,820 --> 02:19:56,700
you're going to give the police $100 in specific funds

1822
02:19:56,700 --> 02:19:59,180
and then you're going to take away $100 in general funds.

1823
02:19:59,220 --> 02:19:59,960
And they will be exact.

1824
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:06,660
That's the same, but now the accountants have to do more work. And I don't know if that's the most effective way to go.

1825
02:20:08,520 --> 02:20:13,120
So, that's kind of like how I think about it, but you know, everyone can make their own assessment.

1826
02:20:13,920 --> 02:20:18,020
And I think the answer will be at the ballot box for sure.

1827
02:20:19,040 --> 02:20:23,560
And so that's my sideways saying that the chief just needs to ask, and if he does, he gets what he wants.

1828
02:20:24,820 --> 02:20:32,060
So, okay, anyone else have any questions for staff or feedback for staff?

1829
02:20:32,600 --> 02:20:35,760
If not, public comment, feel free please.

1830
02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:38,560
You've been very patient.

1831
02:20:39,680 --> 02:20:40,300
Thank you.

1832
02:20:40,760 --> 02:20:47,460
Council, I just want to say based off this last conversation and my personal experience, I am

1833
02:20:47,460 --> 02:20:56,820
for raising taxes because when I can understand that the tax is going to paying for the services

1834
02:20:56,820 --> 02:21:01,300
that the city provides. So I live in Clayton. I appreciate the services that are provided

1835
02:21:01,300 --> 02:21:10,400
here in Clayton when I can actually understand what those services are. I have no issue paying

1836
02:21:10,400 --> 02:21:17,400
in increased tax, I believe that as you were saying that cost will continue to go up because

1837
02:21:17,400 --> 02:21:23,560
inflation is going up. I get paid more in my salary every year through raises because

1838
02:21:23,560 --> 02:21:32,400
things just cost more money. So I am okay with paying this tax. I can say that right now

1839
02:21:32,400 --> 02:21:39,100
I would not pay for a specific tax that would go directly to the police department, no offense

1840
02:21:40,520 --> 02:21:49,720
That right now does not make sense to me, especially when, because, because the money coming

1841
02:21:49,720 --> 02:21:58,120
out of the general fund means that the council votes on what were buying, and the people

1842
02:21:58,120 --> 02:22:02,880
then can hold the council responsible for the decisions that they make.

1843
02:22:03,180 --> 02:22:07,940
I think it's easier that way for the people to decide who they want to represent them in

1844
02:22:07,940 --> 02:22:13,040
Council based off the decisions that they're making, rather than money just going to a specific

1845
02:22:13,700 --> 02:22:18,560
thing and it's kind of a black box. Thank you.

1846
02:22:19,220 --> 02:22:25,100
Well, you know, you can be an accolade and go to the people and profess the size. So if you

1847
02:22:25,100 --> 02:22:30,340
want, just saying, all right, any other public comment,

1848
02:22:32,660 --> 02:22:37,460
closing public comment, I think that you've been

1849
02:22:37,460 --> 02:22:40,820
community, given enough information,

1850
02:22:42,980 --> 02:22:43,400
good to go.

1851
02:22:43,820 --> 02:22:43,980
All right.

1852
02:22:44,360 --> 02:22:45,740
So with that, that is the last item.

1853
02:22:46,580 --> 02:22:47,480
And the next is a German.

1854
02:22:47,600 --> 02:22:53,840
It is 1922 in, and I, for this meeting,

1855
02:22:55,340 --> 02:22:58,220
Clayton, community member, Sheila just recently passed.

1856
02:22:58,320 --> 02:23:01,000
And I wanted to close this meeting in her honor.

1857
02:23:01,140 --> 02:23:02,860
I don't know if you want to say a few words.

1858
02:23:03,220 --> 02:23:03,660
I'm about to do it.

1859
02:23:03,660 --> 02:23:06,220
Just a few, we may all want to say a few words.

1860
02:23:06,220 --> 02:23:09,700
She was just such a sweet, wonderful woman.

1861
02:23:10,920 --> 02:23:15,080
She, I got to know her through the Clayton Valley Village.

1862
02:23:16,060 --> 02:23:20,620
She was the one member at every fundraiser.

1863
02:23:21,140 --> 02:23:22,980
That bought every gift basket.

1864
02:23:23,880 --> 02:23:28,440
Every, I mean, she was just a very generous, sweet person.

1865
02:23:28,620 --> 02:23:32,020
She served on our council on aging as our Clayton representative

1866
02:23:32,660 --> 02:23:34,180
until she passed.

1867
02:23:34,180 --> 02:23:39,280
And she's just a really sweet lady.

1868
02:23:39,500 --> 02:23:45,160
I did go to her celebration of life and a memorial service at St. Bonaventure.

1869
02:23:46,640 --> 02:23:49,240
And people were laughing, people were crying.

1870
02:23:49,400 --> 02:23:51,120
There were wonderful stories about her.

1871
02:23:52,100 --> 02:23:55,320
And I'm sorry that I didn't think about closing it

1872
02:23:55,320 --> 02:23:56,960
in her honor and our last meeting.

1873
02:23:57,440 --> 02:23:59,100
So I wanted to make sure we did that tonight.

1874
02:23:59,760 --> 02:24:00,260
Thank you.

1875
02:24:03,780 --> 02:24:10,900
I would encourage Sheila, she was the force, she was, she seemed super weak and quiet, and

1876
02:24:10,900 --> 02:24:17,480
as soon as you listen to her, she was witty and cut you to the quick, but in a funny way,

1877
02:24:17,660 --> 02:24:23,980
she had a great sense of humor, and I met her through the CBCA, and really enjoyed the

1878
02:24:23,980 --> 02:24:27,800
friendship that we had when I met her in 2016 is the one I met her, so about 10 years

1879
02:24:27,800 --> 02:24:28,120
ago.

1880
02:24:28,120 --> 02:24:31,620
and she was a very special lady, so she will be missed.

1881
02:24:33,220 --> 02:24:35,180
I could occur with both council members.

1882
02:24:35,640 --> 02:24:42,060
I knew her through CVCA, but my wife knew her through the Clayton Valley Women's Club,

1883
02:24:42,660 --> 02:24:45,140
and she was very active in there.

1884
02:24:45,800 --> 02:24:48,580
And my wife and her worked on various projects together,

1885
02:24:48,920 --> 02:24:50,980
and I know my wife truly misses her.

1886
02:24:54,240 --> 02:24:57,920
Okay, and with that, I will adjourn the meeting at 925.

1887
02:24:58,620 --> 02:24:58,880
Thank you.