[0:00] It is 9:00 and time to start a meeting.
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[0:03] allegiance.
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[0:13] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
[0:21] » We do have public comments to start the
meeting. It is limited to three minutes
[0:24] per speaker. Do we have any public
comments?
[0:29] Go.
>> Okay.
[0:38] » Again, don't call it.
But I have You want to see this?
[0:45] » I don't know what that is, Mr. G.
>> No, you I'm
[0:49] » I'll take it, sir.
>> Give it a M.
[0:52] » This is
Thank you.
[0:57] Yeah,
I got old Mr. D. He always seen us.
[1:02] » Okay.
>> For years and
[1:05] I told him where I live years ago and
the problem I have
[1:12] I showed him
one time here. I've got to pray but I
[1:18] can travel that stuff
I've got.
[1:23] But he said I did not have an acre. It
showed I'd have to go here with
[1:32] Justice
County. So I did prosecute attorney.
[1:39] Well, he led to Mr. Palmer.
He said, "Mr. Bomber attorney."
[1:48] Well, Palmer said I had an attorney. I
had an attorney.
[1:55] He said, "And I've got the paperwork."
He said, "What I send out?" He said,
[2:01] "I'll send you." And he did.
So, I've got the paperwork. Now, no
[2:09] home. I've been invited to everybody.
Come down, see what the problem is. And
[2:15] I got paperwork. Show what I'm going to
do. But
[2:19] » Mr. G, I'm going to stop you and we can
stop the clock for a minute. I have a
[2:22] question.
There were so Mr. Wade had visited,
[2:26] other members of our staff had visited.
Let me finish. It's my understanding
[2:31] that you went to our police department,
and I want this on the record, and tried
[2:35] to charge those folks with trespassing.
>> Charged
[2:39] trying to do what?
>> Charge the people that came to your
[2:42] property with trespassing.
>> I never done no such a thing.
[2:48] that happened to be the head
uh
[2:56] guy out of Limnon,
Mr. Chuck Patty's boss, I guess it was.
[3:04] » Okay, we'll agree to disagree.
>> Just a second here. I got his name.
[3:15] I suppose my point is you're inviting us
to come and look at your situation. Yet
[3:19] any person in the public arena that has
that's that that's an adverse reaction.
[3:25] Would you not agree with that?
>> They can come anytime.
[3:28] » Okay,
>> I'll show them.
[3:31] Matter of fact, Russ over here, I showed
him.
[3:36] He's seen the weather. It's there. It's
standing.
[3:41] And this gentleman right here,
him
[3:48] and a couple of workers with him or a
worker or two. And
[3:55] Ed Wade,
they was about six of them, I believe it
[3:59] was. They came down and they wanted to
move. They would fill the creek in over
[4:07] there, but they move it over here. Still
on my propert
[4:19] 15 ft on me. 15 ft on my neighbor.
[4:27] I want I didn't want to
>> previously you've you've denied that we
[4:31] offered you a solution. So I'm confused
on where we're at at this point, Mr. So
[4:36] » your time is up.
>> Well, your time's I agree with that. But
[4:40] I've got this right here, which is a
covenant of all.
[4:46] And right here is this
[4:52] for itself. And right here is something
else.
[5:00] And here is the Lord. Like I said, I
couldn't
[5:06] pray all of you.
Okay, Mr. Gibbs,
[5:10] » I to get a hold of him. I asked to get a
hold of Mr. Mother's phone.
[5:15] » Your three minutes are up, sir.
>> Okay.
[5:18] » And the boy that killed himself
his dad.
[5:23] » We have a time limit for a reason.
>> Okay.
[5:25] » Okay.
>> All right.
[5:26] » Thank you.
>> You're welcome to stay or you make it.
[5:30] » You didn't want to hear it.
>> No, I think we've heard it and you've
[5:35] offered your own solution on that day.
You've now denied twice things that we
[5:38] know were factual. So, I don't know
where else to take it.
[5:41] » I'm giving it to you to get it.
>> Okay. Items to be removed from the
[5:45] consent agenda. Gentlemen, do we have
anything to be removed?
[5:48] » No, sir.
>> I do not.
[5:50] » Fiscal business. Russ,
>> I have nothing for you this morning.
[5:55] New Business Administration Resolution
5694, resolution to approve an agreement
[5:59] between Clear Creek Township and Warren
County Soil and Water Conservation
[6:02] District for the administration
assistance of NPDES MS4 permit
[6:08] responsibilities and enforcement and
dispense with the second reading.
[6:11] Matthew,
>> this is our annual agreement with Warren
[6:13] County Soil and Water to help manage our
response, our shared responsibilities
[6:17] for pollution and discharge and
sentiment.
[6:21] uh for your consideration. If you have
any questions on the answer,
[6:26] » do I have a motion to approve 5694?
>> Move.
[6:30] » Second. Mr. Mers,
>> yay.
[6:32] » Mr. H.
>> Yay.
[6:33] » Mr. Gabbert.
>> Yay.
[6:35] » Resolution 5695, a resolution providing
for health insurance and other benefits
[6:39] to the township trustees, fiscal
officer, and eligible employees and
[6:43] their dependents. Dispensing with the
second reading and declaring an
[6:45] emergency. Like how you listed us first
on that, by the way. Thank you.
[6:51] So, um, as I've spoken to the board and
and written to the board, it was a
[6:57] pretty rough rating year for us this
year. And that's not unique. Apparently,
[7:02] it's, uh, pretty widespread
under insurance plans. We've got about a
[7:07] dozen high claims, which are defined as
being $40,000 and more. Uh, some in some
[7:14] cases much much more.
um which led to the particularly rough
[7:20] renewal, initial renewal of uh 34.2%.
After our insurance broker engaged in
[7:27] negotiations with Anthem and put all of
our business out on the open market, uh
[7:35] we got a number of different renewal
options
[7:39] and the revised renewal came down to a
plus 13 down to a plus 23.
[7:45] Uh
the broker and the township further
[7:49] narrowed the options down to about four
alternatives. We dismissed any of the
[7:53] market bids for our business for
continuity of the plan as well as the
[7:58] cost savings really just weren't there.
So it was a renewal option and then
[8:02] three other alternate options from
Anthem that were put in front of the
[8:07] benefits committee for consideration and
they recommended the renewal option
[8:12] ultimately after discussing it. Um
the committee as
[8:20] as it was created it's an advisory
committee that is a non-binding
[8:23] recommendation to the board. Um at the
administrative level, we reviewed the
[8:28] plans and considered the options that
were put in front of us and uh
[8:34] administration's recommendation diverged
from the committee recommendation
[8:40] and ultimately alternate one with Anthem
was what was uh decided upon. Alternate
[8:48] one does increase the deductible and the
maximum out of pocket. However, with the
[8:52] increased deductible subsidy as a
percentage,
[8:56] uh, which is what we typically do, um,
the maximum exposure on that plan is
[9:01] roughly the same as what renewal is. It
does introduce some, uh, consumerism,
[9:07] uh, more consumerism into the plan. You
got to make um, quality provider
[9:12] decisions because it's goes from a
two-tiered network to a three- tier
[9:15] network.
um actually decreases the premium from
[9:21] what the renewal was and um
[9:28] ultimately administration feels that it
leaves room for other personnel
[9:32] components to consider moving forward in
2027.
[9:36] Uh there's only so much money to go
around and we need to make careful
[9:42] decisions based on that. So with that, I
turn it over to the board for
[9:45] consideration and please feel free to
ask questions.
[9:51] » What was the trepidation of the advisory
committee on the on option one
[9:58] just simply to increase premium increase
out of pocket or
[10:01] » I think it's
what I actually heard was it does
[10:05] increase the deductible and that's
always a concern because you rarely do
[10:09] you go backwards. Um,
sometimes it does happen like one of the
[10:14] options that was put in front of us
actually did reduce the disc by 100
[10:19] bucks for a single and 200
>> for a family. But, um, that the out of
[10:28] pocket exposure, the continuity of of of
care if you're in the middle of a
[10:34] medical issue or that sort of thing. Um,
I think those were the primary
[10:40] primary things that I heard.
[10:45] » Any questions from either one of you?
>> But so, so the they receive 70% of that
[10:54] increase in that's subsidized. So even
though there's an increase,
[10:59] » correct,
>> they're only going to be responsible for
[11:01] 30% of that increase. 70% is going to be
picked up by the township.
[11:06] » Correct.
That is what is on in the contracts at
[11:09] this point in time and it's what has
been done uh for non-bargaining
[11:13] personnel.
[11:17] So I and Matt and I discussed this. I
I've got trepidation about both. So um
[11:26] we need to pass something today, but we
can also work on it. I'd like to see
[11:31] something in between the two. and I read
not only the four they narrowed it down
[11:34] to, but the other seven that they
initially offered. I think it was 11
[11:38] total if I'm not mistaken. Um, it was a
lot, but again, I'm sitting in the
[11:44] chair, so I got time. Um,
I I understand the trepidation about the
[11:51] increase. I understand the percentage
changes. I just thought maybe there
[11:55] would be something in between the
renewal and where we are with option
[11:59] one.
the other options kind of look like
[12:03] that's what they are, but they really
aren't. Uh, so my thought process right
[12:08] now would be to approve option one with
the caveat that Matt is going to go back
[12:13] to them and ask for a potential that we
could we could address in September
[12:20] um of something that might be a little
more in the middle. If not, fine. Um,
[12:26] we understand the market. I mean,
everybody here gets their own insurance.
[12:31] Um, my homeowners insurance went up 10%.
My auto went up 15 for no reason at all.
[12:38] Uh, my my daughters are older, so the
the exposure should and so are my cars,
[12:43] so the exposure should be less, but it's
not. So, without any claims other than a
[12:48] windshield claim. So, um, certainly
understand the the market we're in. um
[12:56] everything's more expensive including
healthcare. So my recommendation is to
[13:01] to to take option one with that
discussion uh in September.
[13:07] Gentlemen,
[13:11] I'm okay with
[13:18] this option one.
[13:22] I mean, you you know, when you sit there
and crunch the numbers, I mean, it does
[13:25] force your hands a little bit there
because the increases are so dramatic.
[13:29] I'm okay with option one. And I would I
would gladly listen to if there's some
[13:35] other things that we can tweak and
figure out a a closer to the middle
[13:39] ground. I would gladly listen to that
and see if there's something that could
[13:44] fit a little better for what our
concerns are and what we're actually
[13:47] getting. We'll certainly ask, but
>> yeah, understood.
[13:53] » Um,
do I have a motion to approve 5695 with
[13:58] option one?
>> So move.
[14:00] » Second.
>> Mr. Holton.
[14:02] » Yay.
>> Mr. Peterson.
[14:03] » Yay.
>> Mr. Gabbert.
[14:04] » Yay. And I say and I want to make sure
everybody understands. I understand the
[14:08] hard work that was put into this.
Totally. I just if we can find something
[14:13] that might
smooth the waters a little bit. There
[14:16] just there aren't there weren't any good
options.
[14:19] » No, exact it's degrees of bad. That's
exactly right.
[14:23] » Since I've been here at least, it's that
the health plans have been, you know,
[14:28] you fairly quickly identify something
that's palatable. That didn't happen
[14:33] this year.
>> Understood. And we have some other ideas
[14:37] that might help as well. Uh, anything
else under administration, Matt?
[14:41] » Yeah.
Police Department Resolution 5696, a
[14:46] resolution declaring personal property a
surplus, approving an internet auction,
[14:50] direct sale, donation, disposal, or
destruction of said personal property,
[14:52] dispensing with a second reading, and
declaring an emergency. Chief, uh, since
[14:57] the cruiser was total, uh, we've
received compensation from the insurance
[15:01] company for that. U, it was, um, very
reasonable what they gave us, uh, for
[15:06] the equipment, uh, and, uh, the cruiser.
So, um, that's what this is about. We
[15:12] need to surplus out that total car so
they can pick it up and take it away.
[15:17] » Okay.
>> How old was the uh one that got correct?
[15:21] » Uh
>> 2020.
[15:22] » Yeah, it's one of the old Taho.
[15:27] » Do we have a motion to approve 5696?
>> So moved.
[15:30] » Second.
>> Mr. Muters.
[15:32] » Yay.
>> Mr. Holtry.
[15:33] » Yay.
>> Mr. G.
[15:34] » Yay.
We have a recommendation to make a
[15:38] conditional officer of probationary
employment to Brandon Lianfelter
[15:42] Linganfelter
as a police officer pending acceptable
[15:46] testing background and pre-employment
screening.
[15:50] » He's uh currently with Clay Township. Uh
he's got about seven years of
[15:54] experience. Uh looks like a good
candidate for us. We'd like to continue
[15:58] process and so we'd like to make an
offer to hire.
[16:01] » Do I have a motion to approve this
recommendation? So move second Mr.
[16:05] Holtry.
>> Yay. Mr. Meter Sp.
[16:08] » Yay.
>> Anything else, Chief?
[16:10] » Yes.
>> Planning and zoning.
[16:13] Shocker. A resolution 5697. Resolution
determining the maintenance of the
[16:18] listed spec specific tracks of land can
constitute a nuisance. Dispensing with
[16:23] the second reading and declaring an
emergency.
[16:25] » I'll finish it for Jeff. He's taking a
week of vacation this year. I'm glad to
[16:29] answer any questions that you have about
it. You've seen a couple of those
[16:32] addresses before.
>> Understood.
[16:36] Do I have a motion to approve 5697?
>> So move.
[16:40] » Second.
>> Mr. Mer.
[16:42] » Yay.
>> Mr. Her.
[16:43] » Yay. Mr. Gav.
>> Yay.
[16:47] » Nothing else for planning and zoning.
Okay. Fire District recommendation to
[16:51] accept the retirement resignation of
Captain Jeff Pratt effective September
[16:56] 26th, 2026 with the thanks of a grateful
community after 36 years of dedicated
[17:01] service to Quick Creek Township in the
city of Spring.
[17:04] 36 years is a long time, longer than a
lot of our employees have been alive. So
[17:08] we we thank Jeff for all of his years of
dedication. And he if you want to save
[17:14] the date, September 25th, we'll be
having his retirement ceremony. um more
[17:19] details forthcoming, but it'll typically
be the 11 to 1 at station 24, but I'll
[17:24] get you the flyer once it's completed.
>> Okay. So, I have I I want to tell a
[17:27] quick story about Mr. about Captain
Crash. Um
[17:30] » you are being recorded.
>> I know. Um
[17:34] » so,
yeah, now we got good mics. Um growing
[17:39] up here, uh it's in a unique situation
when you take office and do this. And uh
[17:47] 15 years ago when I first started this,
I went around and met everybody as we
[17:52] all have. And um I've known Jeff my
entire life. And at the time the
[17:58] tradition was it was Mr. Gabard, Mr.
Wade, Miss Hanspaw, all that stuff. A
[18:03] little more formal than we are now,
which is to completely fine. But um
[18:08] Captain Pratt pulled me aside and kind
of ribbed me a little bit. He's my
[18:12] brother's age and they were buddies
growing up and we grew up in the same
[18:15] neighborhood. So he said, "Just got to
tell you right now, I'm not going to be
[18:18] able to call you Mr. Gabbard. You were
so annoying when we were a little guy."
[18:23] So I said, "Fair enough. Just if we're
in the meeting room, if you wouldn't
[18:27] mind, I that's the only place I would
ask for it because it's it's proper in
[18:31] there." So um we wish Jeff the best of
luck and and uh do I have a motion to
[18:37] accept this recommendation? So move.
>> Second, Mr. Holtry.
[18:41] » Yay. Mr. years ago.
>> Okay,
[18:43] » Mr. B.
>> Yeah, make sure he watches this if you
[18:46] wouldn't mind. Chief,
>> that's such a long good response would
[18:50] have been, "Well, thank you, Lieutenant
Bratz."
[18:55] » And you know, I wouldn't
>> it would be a good job.
[18:57] » Couldn't couldn't keep my Well, he what
what he wasn't a captain at the time, I
[19:02] don't think.
>> He was.
[19:03] » Has he been a captain? Okay, fair
enough. Okay. A recommendation to create
[19:07] a full-time non-exempt position of
community risk reduction officer as
[19:11] detailed in the attached materials and
authorize the internal posting of the
[19:14] position if approved.
>> Chief, I detailed it in the memo. I'd be
[19:18] happy to answer any questions anybody
would have.
[19:22] » Think it's a good idea.
Do I have a motion to approve this
[19:26] recommendation?
>> So move second. Mr. Mir,
[19:31] » Mr. Holtry.
>> Yay.
[19:32] » Mr. G.
>> Yay.
[19:35] » Anything else? Chief.
>> Yes, sir. Just been a busy summer. Crews
[19:37] have done an outstanding job as always.
Appreciate them for all that works.
[19:42] » Hopefully, school starting has been nice
and quiet.
[19:45] There's there is an advantage. The car
is moving slowly. Just FYI.
[19:49] » Yeah, we've had the the some of the
early morning wrecks and we've got a
[19:53] medical call to the bus garage this
morning. So, you know, pick up on stuff.
[19:57] Nothing serious. And I know, you know,
that kind of stuff. Nothing nothing too
[20:01] serious. still want something created
for anyone under the age of 18 to shut
[20:06] their phone off when they get in their
car. That's just me.
[20:10] Anyway, okay. Roads, no new business.
>> Uh tape sealing program should be
[20:15] kicking off here in the next couple
weeks. So,
[20:19] and I I went by um
where you just did the patching.
[20:26] » I've been everywhere.
>> Crime point.
[20:28] » Yes. Crown point looks good. Next.
Anything else?
[20:34] » That's it, sir.
>> Okie do. I have a motion to approve the
[20:37] consent agenda. So moved.
>> Second.
[20:40] » Mr. Holtry.
>> Yay.
[20:41] » Mr. Nef.
>> Yay.
[20:43] » Mr. Gaff.
>> Yay. Staff updates.
[20:46] » Uh, just a couple of things. I went to
the uh last week went to the Warren
[20:51] County T Northern Warren County meeting
uh for traffic. Um, I will update the
[20:58] board in writing on what that looked
like, but it was productive and uh kind
[21:03] of interesting to see the options
developed and how they're being weighed
[21:07] against each other to prioritize
uh not just here in Clear Creek, but uh
[21:12] the wider northern communities and even
into Montgomery County just a little
[21:16] bit. So that was an interesting
interesting meeting and uh as I had
[21:21] mentioned to I think uh Jason
uh the signing cabinet and electronic
[21:27] rear board had been delivered to uh to
our vendor. So they have tentatively
[21:33] scheduled uh installation of it this
week.
[21:36] » So we probably want to schedule a time
potentially before
[21:41] the first September meeting.
>> Sure.
[21:44] » To to dedicate that.
>> Sure.
[21:47] Is that okay with you guys?
>> Okay,
[21:51] we'll make sure that Chief Terrell picks
Mr. Wade up and brings it brings him
[21:56] out. So,
it's an inside joke.
[22:05] Anything else, Matt? Not at this time,
sir.
[22:09] » Okay. Do I have a motion to adjurnn?
>> So, move second. Mr. Mer's fault. Yay.
[22:13] Mr. Hol. Yay. Mr. G. Okay.
Okay.