1 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:43,679 Good morning everybody. I'd like to call 2 00:19:43,679 --> 00:19:45,760 this meeting to order at 9:00 a.m. for 3 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,919 the regular council meeting, Clearwater 4 00:19:47,919 --> 00:19:49,600 County regular council meeting for 5 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,559 August 25th, 20126. 6 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:53,919 I'd like to welcome all members of 7 00:19:53,919 --> 00:19:55,200 council here this morning as well as 8 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,480 Clearwater County staff who will be 9 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,080 providing us with information needed to 10 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:59,919 make the best decisions on behalf of 11 00:19:59,919 --> 00:20:01,440 residents, businesses, and stakeholders 12 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,720 of Clearwater County. I'd also like to 13 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,400 welcome any members of the public in 14 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,440 attendance this morning, as well as any 15 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,280 media who may be present or joining us 16 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,960 online. Before we begin today's agenda, 17 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,039 are there any council members that uh 18 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:18,880 would like to declare potential conflict 19 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,880 of interest or carry interest on any 20 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,880 agenda items here this morning? 21 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,120 Seeing none, 22 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:28,559 I'd also like to remind everybody that 23 00:20:28,559 --> 00:20:29,919 all public meetings are live streamed 24 00:20:29,919 --> 00:20:31,919 and recorded. Any verbal or written 25 00:20:31,919 --> 00:20:33,679 information provided may be included in 26 00:20:33,679 --> 00:20:36,000 public documents as per the Access to 27 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,600 Information Act sections four and 28 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,480 Protection of Privacy Act sections 2, 29 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,200 four, and five. 30 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,520 Uh as we 31 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,840 move towards adopting today's agenda, I 32 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,640 do have an amendment I would like to 33 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,320 make to today's agenda and it would be 34 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,000 under 5.3. It would be regarding Kney 35 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:03,430 Plains Ecological Reserve. 36 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,400 So I'd be looking for 37 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,760 a motion to amend the agenda. 38 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,200 And I I'll actually I'll make the motion 39 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,280 to amend today's agenda. And I'll call 40 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,080 the question. All those in favor. 41 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,640 That motion is passed. The amendment 42 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,200 would be under 5.3, which is Kney Plains 43 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,669 Ecological Reserve. 44 00:21:25,679 --> 00:21:28,640 With that amendment being proposed, I'll 45 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,240 call the question. All those in favor of 46 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,720 that amendment. 47 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,559 has been adopted by 48 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:36,480 councel. 49 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,799 Now to adopt the agenda as presented and 50 00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:41,280 as amended. I'd be looking for a motion 51 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,200 to adopt the agenda as amended. Coun 52 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,640 councelor Lewin makes the motion to 53 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,159 adopt the August 25th, 2026 regular 54 00:21:50,159 --> 00:21:51,679 council meeting for Clearwater County as 55 00:21:51,679 --> 00:21:53,440 amended. I'll call the question. All 56 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,000 those in favor and that motion is 57 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,280 supported by council. 58 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,280 Adoption of the regular council meeting 59 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,960 minutes for July 28th, 2026. Were there 60 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,880 any errors or omissions noted in those 61 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,280 minutes? If not, I'd be looking for a 62 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,640 motion to adopt the amendments as 63 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,280 presented. 64 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,799 Councelor McCully would like to make the 65 00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:16,320 motion to adopt the regular council 66 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,870 meeting minutes from July 28th, 2026. 67 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,080 Seeing no discussion, I'll call the 68 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,400 question. All those in favor? That 69 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:29,110 motion is carried. 70 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:30,880 Now we'd like to proceed into today's 71 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,360 agenda into item 4.1 which is first 72 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:36,080 reading of bylaw 26101 73 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,039 for application number 1826 to amend the 74 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:41,520 land use bylaw. It is on page 10 of 75 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,039 today's agenda and I'll pass the floor 76 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:44,559 over to administration to present this 77 00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:46,960 item to council. 78 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,960 >> Thank you Ree. Uh Bob Bob Haggma of High 79 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,200 Country Surveys has made application on 80 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,919 behalf of Rocky Mountain Salvage to 81 00:22:55,919 --> 00:22:57,760 amend the land use bylaw for the purpose 82 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,400 of redesating 35.26 83 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,240 acres. On the maps they are labeled as 84 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,240 parcel C and parcel B. 85 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,760 They are known as plan 0520308 86 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,400 block one lot one. And they would like 87 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,320 to go from the agricultural district to 88 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,400 the industrial district. 89 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,080 The subject land is located 90 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,240 approximately 2 kilometers southwest of 91 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,320 the town of Rocky Mountainhouse adjacent 92 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,480 to Highway 11A. 93 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,720 Should the land land use amendment be 94 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,640 successful, the land owners intend to 95 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,960 develop a storage facility which will 96 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,320 require development approval. 97 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,000 The land owners intend to use the 98 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,320 westerly and easterly portions of the 99 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,240 property which is broken up into three 100 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,720 parts all under one title. Parcel A, 101 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,799 which is southeast of the railroad, will 102 00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:49,600 remain undeveloped and is not part of 103 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,679 this application. 104 00:23:51,679 --> 00:23:54,000 The subject parcels cannot be subdivided 105 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,000 unless an area structure plan or an 106 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,120 outline plan is adopted by council and 107 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:01,200 the subject land is located within the 108 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,400 Rocky Clearwater IDP area plan area and 109 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,120 is within the plan boundary in the rural 110 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:09,520 policy area. 111 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,120 The town of Rocky Mountain House will 112 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:12,559 have a chance to comment on this 113 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:14,400 application at the referral public 114 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,710 hearing stage of this application. 115 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,520 Moving into considerations, the proposed 116 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,440 redesignation is to allow for the 117 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,400 operation of a storage facility. As per 118 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,159 section 7.2.6 of the MDP, council should 119 00:24:30,159 --> 00:24:32,080 consider whether or not this site is 120 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,919 suitable for an isolated industrial 121 00:24:33,919 --> 00:24:35,679 site. 122 00:24:35,679 --> 00:24:38,240 The subject property is adjacent to 11A 123 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,559 and access is achieved by way of an 124 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:42,640 approach off National Historic Site 125 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,600 Road, Range Road 7-5. 126 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,360 Due to the nature of this site, it would 127 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,279 be appropriate for council to consider 128 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:53,679 policy 11.2.4 of the MDP to ensure that 129 00:24:53,679 --> 00:24:56,159 the applicant is proactive in mitigating 130 00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:58,720 the impacts of noise and visual impacts 131 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,520 on adjacent land owners and traffic. 132 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,799 Additionally, council should consider 133 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:09,039 policy 14.2.6 134 00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:10,960 to ensure that the property is suitable 135 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,279 for the proposed use. 136 00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:15,440 The proposal would be considered an 137 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,760 isolated industrial district parcel 138 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,600 outside of a business park which is 139 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,720 permitted at the discretion of council. 140 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,559 However, there are a number of 141 00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:28,240 surrounding land uses and present which 142 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,520 are industrial and direct control. The 143 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,200 proposal complies with the size 144 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,279 requirement of the land use bylaw as it 145 00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:38,240 exceeds the minimum requirement. 146 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,919 Staff is recommending that council 147 00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:42,240 consider granting first reading to bylaw 148 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,320 number 26101 149 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,240 and proceed to a public hearing. Thank 150 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,080 you. 151 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,480 >> Thank you. Do Mr. Connelly. 152 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,320 Uh I'll open up the floor for discussion 153 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,880 from council or the applicant I see is 154 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,919 with us here this morning. Would you 155 00:25:55,919 --> 00:25:58,320 like to provide any input or remarks on 156 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,000 this application? 157 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,520 Uh thank you uh Reef. Yes, this this 158 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,440 application came before council and I 159 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,880 believe there's two members present here 160 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,360 that uh heard that application a little 161 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,400 over a year ago and at the time RM 162 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,760 Solage had uh bought this property with 163 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,200 the intent of uh having a depot in Rocky 164 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,640 Mountain House. They've got several 165 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,760 throughout Alberta and BC right now. And 166 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,400 uh it was turned down because uh council 167 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,720 didn't feel after the public hearing and 168 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,440 hearing from uh the neighbors and that 169 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,880 sort of thing that uh uh a salvage 170 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,159 operation would be a good thing to put 171 00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:39,840 right at the entrance to the historic 172 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,919 park and turned it down. Uh things have 173 00:26:43,919 --> 00:26:46,400 changed. RM Salvage bought a lot out in 174 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,440 Metal Dog and uh we'd invite you to go 175 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,919 out there and see their operation. It's 176 00:26:51,919 --> 00:26:54,400 very professional. Uh, one of the things 177 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,520 that uh, scared council last time was 178 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,240 one of the photographs of their Edson 179 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,360 operation which they had just purchased 180 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:08,880 and it looked uh, it looked bad and uh, 181 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,840 and I can understand that. And what's 182 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,480 happened since then, they took it over 183 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,720 uh rebuilt it and it doesn't look at all 184 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,600 like the the picture uh on the internet 185 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,320 showed at that time. E so that's why 186 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,559 we're inviting you just to see how they 187 00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:29,039 do operate and uh their operation in uh 188 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:32,080 Metal Dog there is it's not unsightly at 189 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,159 all. It's very well organized, that sort 190 00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:35,360 of thing. And that's the way this 191 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,559 company works. So what they're proposing 192 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:41,360 to do here though is have has nothing to 193 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,279 do with the recycling business part of 194 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:46,400 it. They bought this land and uh they 195 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,440 want to make use of it. If it remains 196 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,000 agricultural, it's 197 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:59,269 not uh not really uh good for anything. 198 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:02,559 if uh 199 00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:05,279 the the storage facility that they're 200 00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,120 proposing would be at the west end of it 201 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,520 there. So it would be at the entrance to 202 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,320 the park and they intend to uh uh the 203 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,159 other side there. Yeah. 204 00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:22,399 And and uh they propose to adhere to any 205 00:28:22,399 --> 00:28:26,240 development uh standards that need to be 206 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,480 done like BMS, trees, that sort of 207 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,039 thing. So there'd be basically nothing 208 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:35,440 to see from the highway. And uh the one 209 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,080 thing that they would have to do is 210 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,480 probably borrow some uh dirt or gravel 211 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,000 from the south of the railway to build 212 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000 up the north side of the railway. and 213 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,799 they do that with you engineering uh 214 00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:53,520 plan and all the provincial approvals in 215 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,559 place in order to basically transfer 216 00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:58,320 some wetland from the north side of the 217 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,919 tracks to the south side. There's 218 00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:02,080 wetland on on both sides of the tracks 219 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,520 right now. So, uh they'd make that part 220 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,080 between the tracks and the highway 221 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,760 useful and then leave the south end in 222 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,799 more of its natural state. Uh, one thing 223 00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:16,720 that we haven't done yet, but uh, 224 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,919 they've talked about at RM Salvage is to 225 00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:22,320 see if uh, the parks are interested in 226 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,480 maybe purchasing that park south of the 227 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,360 highway or south of the railway so that 228 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,000 uh, they can incorporate it into the 229 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,840 park as a buffer between the park and 230 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,240 the railway and then any industrial use 231 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,640 that might happen on the north side of 232 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,279 it as well. They've got absolutely no 233 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:41,760 intention of ever developing south of 234 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,720 the high or south of the railway 235 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,080 and uh and and to kind of close it off 236 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,320 like this land has never ever ever been 237 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,039 agricultural. There's never been a crop 238 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:55,279 grown on it. There's never been animals 239 00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:59,279 on it until uh what was it uh in until 240 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:02,480 2005 when we subdivided it into that lot 241 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,960 with three parts. It was railway land 242 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,919 and it had been since I believe it was 243 00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:10,240 1912 244 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,679 or something like that that uh the 245 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:13,840 railway was surveyed in here and it was 246 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,159 part of of course the route that went to 247 00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:19,520 Nordic and uh it was a station grounds 248 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,799 for Lern. So over the years the propane 249 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:24,480 depot was built there which is an 250 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,600 industrial use and taking the two 251 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,720 parcels one on either side of that uh 252 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,240 propane depot would be a natural fit. 253 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,399 There's also industrial use to the 254 00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:38,480 northeast of that where TNT has their 255 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,240 yard. uh to the southwest there's two 256 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:50,799 gravel pits and uh uh I believe yeah the hill pit is re reclaimed 257 00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:54,559 and I'm not sure about the um the one on 258 00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:55,919 the north side of the highway because 259 00:30:55,919 --> 00:30:59,279 it's uh screened from the highway but uh 260 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:02,000 that that uh hill pit that Pernis owns 261 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,039 now is used as a rig lay down area and 262 00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:07,039 people drive by it it's not unsightly 263 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:08,399 either you know I mean it is an 264 00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:11,279 industrial is granted. But um that's the 265 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:12,880 way the world works. You know, you put 266 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,120 industrial by highways where there's 267 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,480 access and it creates the least 268 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,960 disturbance to the community. So we feel 269 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,559 that in order to assist RM Salvage with 270 00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:28,080 developing these two pieces properly, uh 271 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,080 land use change is uh appropriate. 272 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:32,880 >> Thank you. 273 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,120 Mr. Exmith. I I do have one 274 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,720 question and to balance the council, the 275 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,559 floor is open for questions. Is it for 276 00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:40,720 the business operations? Is it necessary 277 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,440 to have access to rail? 278 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,159 >> Uh, we're not sure at this time because 279 00:31:46,159 --> 00:31:47,919 we're not sure what business is going to 280 00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:49,360 be there. Like they're proposing a 281 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,320 storage, but on the other side, who 282 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:58,399 knows what it's going to be. And and if a business along there needed rail, 283 00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:00,399 they would have to extend that spur line 284 00:32:00,399 --> 00:32:02,080 that goes to the propane depot right 285 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,360 now. So it would be a cost, but yeah, if 286 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,279 that's one attractive part of it is 287 00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,159 being on the rail that if somebody needs 288 00:32:10,159 --> 00:32:13,840 rail access, it's there already. 289 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,760 >> Councelor Lewin, go ahead. 290 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,000 >> This is Bulldog Metals. Is that correct? 291 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,799 >> No. No, this is RM Salvage. 292 00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:21,679 >> RM Salvage. 293 00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:22,240 >> Yeah. 294 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,640 >> Well, you mentioned Bulldog earlier. 295 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,039 >> I did. 296 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:26,559 >> Metal Dog. 297 00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:28,480 Pardon me. Metal Dog. Not 298 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,120 Bulldog. 299 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:29,519 >> Yeah. 300 00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:30,240 >> Metal Dog. 301 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:30,799 >> Yeah. 302 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:33,360 >> Okay. Metal Dog is the industrial park 303 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,039 by the airport. 304 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:36,799 >> Okay. Are they the same as the ones in 305 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:38,399 red? 306 00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:39,840 >> No. No. Okay. No. 307 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:40,240 >> Thank you. 308 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,669 >> No. No. 309 00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:46,640 » Deputy Reed McKay. Go ahead. 310 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,919 >> Thank you. I'm just curious about the requirements for this designation. 311 00:32:51,919 --> 00:32:54,799 Like if the intention is for storage, 312 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:57,519 then redesating this highway commercial 313 00:32:57,519 --> 00:32:59,039 would actually be more appropriate than 314 00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:00,799 industrial. 315 00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,919 So it it seems like a red designation of 316 00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:06,799 industrial would leave it open to 317 00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:09,200 possibly some business ventures that may 318 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,600 not be 319 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,760 wanted or approved of by residents. 320 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,960 >> Yeah. Any any development uh require a 321 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,000 permit from the planning department and 322 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,240 uh the county's got guidelines to make 323 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:29,840 it uh the the amenities fit the area. 324 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,640 um they they just uh felt industrial was 325 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,000 the way they wanted to go. 326 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,440 >> Do you have any comments on that, 327 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,120 Braden, or 328 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,190 >> No, I don't. 329 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,080 In fact, recreational vehicle storage is 330 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,399 not even an exempt usage of industrial 331 00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:48,000 land. 332 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,240 So, it would seem that that's a rather 333 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,120 strange choice um 334 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,080 >> for storage. 335 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,159 >> Yeah, it may not be recreational vehicle 336 00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:59,200 storage. It may be like like another rig 337 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,880 lay down site or maybe some uh 338 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,760 >> bins. Yeah, bin storage is they take up 339 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,320 a lot of room and we don't have that 340 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,040 much room at our site at the Metal Dog 341 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,040 location. 342 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,079 So something for storing bins or a 343 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:17,599 trailer 344 00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:20,240 would be useful there. 345 00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:25,349 >> I see. Okay. Thank you, 346 00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:28,159 » Cer. Councelor Serat, go ahead. 347 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:31,119 >> Well, it's working now. Um, yeah, the 348 00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:32,879 other thing I was thinking about was the 349 00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:35,119 water. That's quite low land there and 350 00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,599 there's water that drains through there. 351 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:39,440 Have you talked to the water resource 352 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,760 people and stuff or have you thought 353 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,679 about uh how you're going to mitigate 354 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,000 maybe some contamination 355 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,919 of storage of let's say vehicles or or 356 00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:54,879 bins or stuff like that. 357 00:34:54,879 --> 00:34:55,839 >> Yeah. 358 00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:59,599 Uh absolutely, councelor Serach. Uh we 359 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:03,520 did do a a contour plan on the west area 360 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,119 here that shows where the drainage is 361 00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:09,680 >> and uh before any development is 362 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,920 anticipated, we'd be contacting 363 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,760 engineers and uh water resources in at 364 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,760 the province in order to make sure that 365 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,400 the development works to something that 366 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,000 they uh would approve of. Absolutely. 367 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,320 >> Fantastic. That's one thing I was kind 368 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,920 of concerned about because there's quite 369 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,760 a water flow through there. 370 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,640 >> Yeah. 371 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,320 Like I say on on both sides, I 372 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:32,720 actually 373 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:33,200 >> Yes. 374 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,599 >> I actually did a a boundary survey for 375 00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:37,599 the parks here this summer 376 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:39,760 >> and I was trying to access the north 377 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,680 boundary through uh RM Salvages lot and 378 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,000 I got stopped up by uh wet land and when 379 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,839 I get stopped up it's wet. 380 00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:51,200 >> Yeah. 381 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,440 >> You know my quad with the tracks, right? 382 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,760 So uh so I did access it from the south 383 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,720 side which was somewhat better and uh 384 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,920 like I say uh 385 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,960 there there is a fair bit of highland on 386 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,680 the south side of the tracks too. Okay. 387 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,800 And uh some of that material may be used 388 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,240 to uh change the material on the north 389 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:17,280 side. And basically what you have to do 390 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,040 if you uh take away wetlands then you 391 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,640 have to either replace it or pay a 392 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:23,359 penalty. 393 00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:24,079 >> Yep. 394 00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:27,520 >> And uh they they would be looking at 395 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,839 replacing the lands on the north side 396 00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:32,640 that's wet with lands on the south side 397 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,880 that's high right now. And then it would 398 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,320 be wet lands for uh natural 399 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,680 you know habitat. 400 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,760 >> Yeah. I'm I was just concerned about 401 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,160 what flow there because it could end up 402 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,640 in the national park and that's one 403 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,480 thing we certainly don't want is any 404 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,200 contamination going into that national 405 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:51,680 park. 406 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,240 >> Right. No, absolutely. That would be at 407 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,400 the forefront of any 408 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,760 >> Yeah. 409 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,760 >> So, I really do appreciate that. Thank 410 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:00,480 you. 411 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,720 >> Thank you, Mr. Connley. Do you have 412 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:03,440 comments or 413 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,680 >> I just had a couple points to add. 414 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,320 >> Go ahead. Uh we prior to the public 415 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,960 hearing, we will send referrals to the 416 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,560 environment 417 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,119 and then discretionary uses in the 418 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:18,000 industrial district are recreational 419 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,320 vehicle storage and outdoor storage. So 420 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,400 both either use would be going to the 421 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,800 planning commission for a decision. So 422 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,640 administration would have conditions and 423 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,640 then the commission could add more 424 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,920 conditions that they felt was needed. 425 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,200 >> Thank you for that, Mr. Connelly. That 426 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,400 was actually one of my questions that 427 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,400 this agenda item will be deferred or 428 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,240 referred to uh the municipal planning 429 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:40,880 commission for for input and comments 430 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,640 which uh councilors Humphrey, myself and 431 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,480 councilors Powell currently sit on the 432 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,800 municipal planning commission. So this 433 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,240 will be sent there for as a referral. 434 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:49,839 >> This this will also go there for 435 00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:51,760 referral and for the development permit 436 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,280 if that goes through. 437 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,359 >> Okay. Excellent. Thank you. Mr. Connley 438 00:37:55,359 --> 00:37:57,280 Councelor Levin go ahead. 439 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,760 >> Yes. Um what is the anticipated increase 440 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,359 in traffic volume and what type of 441 00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:04,560 traffic would be semi-truckss body jobs? 442 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:05,920 >> Yeah, it would be 443 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,240 >> very little like how how often would you 444 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:13,910 be moving bins out of there? 445 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:19,760 » Typically our bins are going to be out. 446 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,599 This is for in the scenario that you 447 00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:26,160 know summer comes to a close and lots of 448 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,720 projects are finishing. We would get a 449 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,160 few bins back. So we would take these 450 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,560 bins there. It would more or less be 451 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,320 minimal traffic. 452 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,480 >> Okay. And which route would you take to 453 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,400 if if this went forward, which route 454 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,079 would you take to get to that point? 455 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:43,599 Would you go right through town or would 456 00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:46,480 you go around highway 11? would go I 457 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,800 would go past the on Highway 11 staying 458 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,040 out of town. Um just it's just easier as 459 00:38:53,040 --> 00:39:00,000 a semi-truck operator to go around town. 460 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,280 >> Thank you. 461 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,359 >> Okay. If there's no further discussion, 462 00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:06,800 uh we be looking for a motion for first 463 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,160 reading or further discussion on this 464 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,000 matter. Clarification. Councelor 465 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,240 McCauley. Go ahead. I make the 466 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,240 recommendation that staff or council 467 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,400 consider granting first reading to bylaw 468 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,200 number 26101 and proceed to a public 469 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,440 hearing. Okay, we have a motion on the 470 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,520 floor from councelor McCauley that 471 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,040 council grant first reading to bylaw 472 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,680 26101 473 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,839 and proceed to a public hearing. That is 474 00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:31,040 the motion on the floor. Seeing no 475 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:31,920 further discussion, I'll call the 476 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,160 question. All those in favor 477 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,839 that motion is supported by council 478 00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:39,200 unanimously. Moving on to item thank you 479 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,079 for coming into council this morning. 480 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,680 Moving on in our agenda item 4.2 481 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,680 bylaw 26102 482 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:58,310 fire and rescue services on page 27 483 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,760 to welcome Deputy Chief Stewart. Good 484 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,190 morning and welcome. 485 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,109 Ready 486 00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:11,920 to proceed? Okay. Uh good morning, good 487 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,800 evening, council. Um here on behalf of 488 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,240 Chief Hemrich, director of emergency 489 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:20,800 services, presenting uh bylaw 2612 490 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:26,160 as amended um by council's I believe 491 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,520 July 27th strategic planning meeting. 492 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,359 Just need to find my place here. My 493 00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:33,280 apologies. 494 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:40,069 Here 495 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:44,230 we go. 496 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:46,400 Uh so for background council July 27th 497 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,640 2026 the uh strategic planning committee 498 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,560 of the whole meeting emergency services 499 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,160 presented the new fire rescue services 500 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,160 bylaw uh number 26 uh102. After 501 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,839 deliberations of the committee, uh, 502 00:40:57,839 --> 00:40:59,040 council approved the fire rescue 503 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,119 services bylaw with amendments, uh, that 504 00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:03,200 align the fire permit requirements, uh, 505 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,800 with the force and prairie protection 506 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,280 act fire season specifically from March 507 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,160 1st to October 31st of each year. Um, 508 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,599 uh, the amendment has been made 509 00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:15,839 resulting in the following changes. Um, 510 00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:17,920 the addition of the fire season uh 511 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,480 definition, clarity written to the fire 512 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,040 rescue services bylaw under section 155 513 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,119 carrying uh clarifying when a fire 514 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:27,280 permit is not required and specifying 515 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,200 conditions of what is acceptable to burn 516 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,040 outside the fire season and stating 517 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,920 notification requirements. Uh supporting 518 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,680 statements and clarification on the fire 519 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,280 permit requirements for fire rescue 520 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,000 services under section 161. Uh 521 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,720 specifically clarifying the fire season. 522 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:46,880 Uh attached is a uh redline text version 523 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,200 of the bylaw that shows the changes uh 524 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,359 after the strategic planning committee's 525 00:41:51,359 --> 00:41:56,240 deliberations. Um also uh if councelor 526 00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:00,160 were to approve this bylaw today uh it 527 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,040 would repeal bylaw 106920 which is the 528 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,800 legacy fire rescue services and fire 529 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,240 control bylaw. Uh as well uh there is 530 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:12,079 another uh item for council uh uh on 531 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:15,359 condition of this bylaw 26102 uh being 532 00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:18,400 approved that there would need to be uh 533 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,640 revisions and repealed of certain 534 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,319 sections specifically section 8 of the 535 00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:23,599 village of Caroline's community 536 00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:26,480 standards bylaw as well. 537 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,760 Uh so if council um remembers strategic 538 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,040 planning uh meeting, we spoke um not at 539 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,720 length, but we spoke uh about uh fire 540 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,359 services request to modernize our fire 541 00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:41,440 rescue services bylaw uh here in 542 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,760 Clearwater County. Uh specifically 543 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,800 adding sections clarifying uh sale use 544 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,000 of fireworks. Uh transitioning from only 545 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,000 requiring notification to an actual fire 546 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,560 permit system. Uh we had originally uh 547 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,560 requested an annual permitting system. 548 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,800 Uh with good discussion with council uh 549 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,119 and clarity to land owners, uh we 550 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:04,720 decided uh to ask for an amendment to 551 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,800 change the structure of this bylaw to 552 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,040 more uh closely align to Alberta 553 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,359 wildfires fire season of March 1st to 554 00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:14,240 October 31st. Uh that is a large concern 555 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:18,319 for uh us in in Clearwater County and to 556 00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:21,440 our residents of the uh fire protection 557 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,720 area boundary and whether uh a neighbor 558 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:26,640 can burn on one side versus a neighbor 559 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,720 on the other side that cannot. This fire 560 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,760 bylaw definitely does uh align with the 561 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,520 forest fire protection act and make it a 562 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,880 lot more uh understandable for 563 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,680 residents. Uh legal did again tell us to 564 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,560 remove specific language around uh uh 565 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,720 burnable debris or prohibited debris 566 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:47,280 which would be clarified in in county 567 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,599 policy and be the forward- facing 568 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:53,280 component when people are applying for burn permits. So that would be very 569 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,119 clear on what burnable debris is. 570 00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:58,160 Essentially we left the bylaw uh uh 571 00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,839 written in a way that if the province 572 00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:01,599 were to change their legislation and add 573 00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:03,119 things to prohibit debris or remove 574 00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:04,720 things prohibited debris, we wouldn't 575 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:07,520 have to amend the bylaw. We could simply 576 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,599 amend county policy and change that 577 00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:14,319 forward facing uh information. Um again 578 00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:16,720 um council what administration is 579 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:19,200 requesting today is that uh council 580 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,440 reviews bylaw 26102 581 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,040 uh complete with amendments and grants 582 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,880 first and second readings and permission 583 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,520 for third reading of bylaw 260012. 584 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,760 >> Thank you. Deputy chief do have one 585 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,280 question and the floor again is open up 586 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,720 for council for discussion or comments 587 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:37,040 questions. Uh just the just for clarity 588 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,560 and and uh the difference between crown 589 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,040 lands and forest protection area. Uh 590 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,640 just there's a lot of people that have 591 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,240 privately owned land that fall within 592 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,240 the forest protection area, but uh I 593 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:49,280 think sometimes there could be a 594 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:50,880 confusion that maybe it's forest 595 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,480 protection area is considered as crown 596 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,200 land, but it's it actually extends out 597 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,599 uh quite in significantly onto privately 598 00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:59,200 owned land in Clearwater County. I just 599 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,160 wondered if you could provide a little 600 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,520 bit of information and clarity for that 601 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,280 for the viewers watching. 602 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,920 >> Uh of course, Reef. Uh great question. 603 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,400 Uh the the forest protection area is is 604 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,079 a boundary set under the forest and 605 00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:14,640 prairie protection act. Uh specifically 606 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,800 following man-made and natural features 607 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,040 through the province that uh uh that 608 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,920 allows the province to uh be the 609 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,760 authority having jurisdiction for for 610 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,400 forest management uh inside that area 611 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,079 including wildfire management and 612 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:31,359 permitting purposes. as where crownland 613 00:45:31,359 --> 00:45:34,800 uh is is a term used for u 614 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,040 government-owned property at at really 615 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,560 any provincial level. That can be 616 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,240 provinially property, that can be 617 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:43,839 federal lands. Uh there is private 618 00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:45,760 property within the forest protection 619 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,680 area that is owned by private land 620 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,480 owners. Uh for an example, the the 621 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,880 Clearwater River is part of the forest 622 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,880 pro uh forest protection area boundary. 623 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,640 Anything west of the Clearwater River 624 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,400 from the Clearwater store, Clearwater 625 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,960 Trading Post up to where the Clear Water 626 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,040 meets the North Saskatchewan River is 627 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,040 inside the Porsche Protection Area. But 628 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,520 there's large tracks of of private land 629 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,319 in that area uh that is privately owned. 630 00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:15,200 Uh essentially uh that is some of the challenges with how we administer uh 631 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,359 burn permitting systems and uh 632 00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:18,880 authorities having jurisdictions for 633 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,839 wildfires, for example, fire bans and 634 00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:23,920 fire restrictions. Uh although it may be 635 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,760 private land within Clearwater County 636 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,200 because it is within the forest and 637 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,960 prairie protection act that it is 638 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,880 resides within the forest protection 639 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,520 area uh the province is actually the 640 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,920 authority having jurisdiction for fire 641 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,280 permitting, fire bands, fire 642 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,680 restrictions, fire advisories and uh 643 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,000 wildfire management. Um so uh as we're 644 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,240 just east of that river that uh that 645 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,000 sole discretion lies with Clearwater 646 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,520 County. So there is some very uh uh 647 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,200 interesting overlapping of jurisdiction 648 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,280 specifically around uh fire permitting, 649 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,400 fire bands and fire response in those 650 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,640 areas around wildfire specifically and 651 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,440 wildland firefighting fuels. Uh and that 652 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,040 is where a lot of confusion comes in and 653 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,400 one of the big reasons why we wanted to 654 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,160 revise this bylaw to make it more clear 655 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,319 for land owners that crownland is not 656 00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:12,079 necessarily describing the forest and 657 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:14,240 prairie or the forest protection area. 658 00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:17,520 That is a totally separate boundary. 659 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,319 Thank you for that. Deputy Reeve McKay, 660 00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:21,839 go ahead, please. 661 00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:23,520 >> Thank you, Ree. Just have a question 662 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,079 regarding the uh dates under fire 663 00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:27,839 permits 664 00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:29,280 and then a follow-up question after 665 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,960 that. But uh in 161, it states that fire 666 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,640 permits will be required during fire 667 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,040 season from March 1st. Should that not 668 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,280 be May 1st? 669 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,280 If no permit is required from November 670 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,640 1st till April 30th, why would a permit 671 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:49,040 be required from March 1st? 672 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,960 Uh stand by councelor. I'm just uh 673 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,119 finding that section here and that may 674 00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:56,000 be a revision that needs to be done to 675 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,680 this bylaw. The fire uh season is 676 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,359 clarified as March 1st to October 31st. 677 00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:05,599 Uh outside the fire season, November 1st 678 00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:08,640 to April 30th. 679 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,240 uh that should say uh that April 30th 680 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:15,359 should be brought back to 681 00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:18,560 um the end of February for an example. 682 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,200 Um so that is actually an error in this 683 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,079 bylaw. The fire season November 1st to 684 00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:25,920 April 30th notifications for burns prior 685 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,280 to ignition must be made to the county. 686 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:28,800 I believe that that's an error in the 687 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,559 bylaw that would need to be revised 688 00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:32,880 before being approved. Uh the fire 689 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,280 season is March 1st to October 31st and 690 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,760 that is when permitting would would uh 691 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,440 would take place if this fire permit was 692 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,599 approved. That is when Alberta wildfire 693 00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:44,480 permits for uh so anytime outside of 694 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,559 March 1st to October 31st would be 695 00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:48,319 outside the fire season and we would be 696 00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:50,000 asking for a notification and not a 697 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,559 permit in that period of time. 698 00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:54,400 >> Okay, thank you for the clarification. 699 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,480 Now that said, since it is March 1st, 700 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,319 historically, 701 00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:01,520 um, a lot of egg producers are used to 702 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,599 burning in March, like I would say 98% 703 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:08,160 the burns done in this county are done 704 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,800 in March. How are we going to relay to 705 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,119 egg producers that they can no longer do 706 00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:14,800 that and they now require a permit to 707 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,960 burn in March? That's going to require a 708 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,319 significant media campaign and we're 709 00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:22,319 going to have to probably allow at least 710 00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:28,720 one year if not more of you know um 711 00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:31,520 reduction in fines or warnings instead 712 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:36,480 of fines or something like we can't just change that when people 713 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,680 have been doing it literally for a 714 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,559 hundred years. So that I guess that 715 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:42,160 that's a big concern that's been brought 716 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,079 forward from the community that I wanted 717 00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:45,599 to express. 718 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:48,000 And is there a plan to to deal with 719 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,359 that? 720 00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:53,040 >> Uh Deputy McKay and council. Uh yes. Um 721 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,880 and completely understanding that this 722 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,800 is a a change that will impact um uh 723 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,680 folks in our county that burn uh every 724 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,000 year, specifically the agricultural and 725 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,559 forest uh uh uh industries. Um, our plan 726 00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:10,559 of this year, uh, being that we are not 727 00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:12,559 past October 31st this year, if council 728 00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:14,640 were to approve, uh, this bylaw, the 729 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,040 intent in the plan was to not bring 730 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,119 permitting into force until next March 731 00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:22,960 1st after a significant, uh, uh, media 732 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,440 campaign, uh, public communications, uh, 733 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,319 to go out with, um, to our land owners, 734 00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:30,480 to our industries. Uh, for an example, 735 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,079 we would not enact the permitting 736 00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,400 portion in 2026. we would bring this 737 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,359 into effect in March 1st, 2027. 738 00:50:37,359 --> 00:50:40,640 Um because of that specific reason, uh 739 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,960 we also have new software to to manage 740 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,839 permitting that uh uh is just being put 741 00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:48,000 into place now. Uh it would be intend to 742 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,000 be ready for next year, not for the 743 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,880 remainder of this year. And um 744 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,720 enforcement of this bylaw is the 745 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:57,119 discretion of the fire service uh based 746 00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:59,040 on us engaging our our community peace 747 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,839 officers for bylaw enforcement. So, uh, 748 00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:04,480 because we're bringing in fines, uh, or 749 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,280 municipal tags, uh, with this bylaw, uh, 750 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,760 that is at our discretion to to fine and 751 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,599 enforce those pieces. So, we can 752 00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:13,680 definitely, uh, and intend to give 753 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:18,559 forgiveness for education purposes for land owners that may not have 754 00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:21,359 received the news uh, in time. Uh, we 755 00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:23,760 expect that to be the case. Uh, we do a 756 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,319 ton of education now with land owners 757 00:51:26,319 --> 00:51:27,920 uh, even inside the forest protection 758 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,280 area to this effect specifically. Um it 759 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,480 happens today. Uh the the interesting 760 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,160 piece is that outside the forest 761 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,480 protection area, we have a lot of 762 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,559 miscommunication with the public when 763 00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:42,079 they're asking for burn notifications, 764 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:43,920 whether they need permits or not. It is 765 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,760 very confusing. So I believe this will 766 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,000 actually be easier to educate the 767 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,480 public. It will be a basically one 768 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,000 source of truth whether you need a 769 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,520 permit based on time of the year or not, 770 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:54,559 regardless of where you live in 771 00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:56,319 Clearwater County, as opposed to having 772 00:51:56,319 --> 00:51:58,000 two standards based on a line that 773 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,240 nobody can see other than on a map. Uh 774 00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:01,520 so I believe this will bring more 775 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,440 clarity over time. There will need to be 776 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,359 education for sure. That is the plan and 777 00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:06,720 that we would not start uh the 778 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:09,280 permitting process uh until March 1st of 779 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,160 2027 after that public media campaign 780 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,960 would be uh assisted us with corporate 781 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,960 communications etc. It would be a large 782 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,200 portion of what we would do if this was 783 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,000 approved between now and then. 784 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,160 >> Thank you for that. And lastly, just to 785 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,040 follow up on that, the permit itself, 786 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,200 is the intention for it to only be 787 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,520 available online 788 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,520 or do we have another option? 789 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,760 >> Uh, the intent is for the majority of 790 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,119 them to be handled online, but we will 791 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:39,280 always have the option for folks to call 792 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,040 uh emergency services where our 793 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,480 administrative staff would be able to 794 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,640 assist individuals with uh completing 795 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,760 the permitting process online. Um, so 796 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,160 essentially we can build the permit for 797 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,240 them in the new system uh over the 798 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:53,839 phone. That is an option for sure that 799 00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:56,559 we intend to maintain for as long as 800 00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:59,680 it's a uh a need or a demand by the 801 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:00,880 public. 802 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,640 >> But I ask that because there are many 803 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,280 older residents that would possibly be 804 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,880 burning a brush pile or something would 805 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:07,680 not have 806 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,839 >> of course access. 807 00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:12,240 >> Thank you very much, 808 00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:15,040 >> Councelor Humphrey. Go ahead. 809 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,760 Yes, I still have 810 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,640 an issue with where what section is it 811 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,440 for fire pits? 812 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,079 >> Uh, Council Humphre, uh, that would be 813 00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:29,040 near the top where it defines um, uh, 814 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,800 fire pits here. My apologies. I will 815 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,000 find it for you. 816 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,559 >> I'm I had it earlier, but I'm bouncing 817 00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:38,319 around here. Ah, there it is. Yes. 818 00:53:38,319 --> 00:53:40,240 >> So, there's there's really two places. 819 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,319 There's one in definitions uh what 820 00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:45,680 describes uh a fire pit and then there 821 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,440 is a full section with more details 822 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:49,760 is 823 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,920 >> right and and my concern with this is uh 824 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,599 I understand for for hamlets 825 00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:01,599 uh that kind of thing but for our for 826 00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:09,670 our egg sector to be putting all this uh 827 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,640 you where it says uh height does not 828 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,680 exceed 60 cm. So what's that? That's 2 829 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,440 ft. Uh can't be over 2 ft. Can't be a 830 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,480 meter in width. Uh to have all those in 831 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,839 there already where 832 00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:29,200 most of the county is already outside of 833 00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:34,160 that. Um many many uh residents in the 834 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,880 county will take a 835 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:41,040 be it a well cribbing or a culvert or 836 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,720 a tank of it of some kind and cut a ring 837 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:46,960 out of it and that's their fire pit and 838 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,680 it might be 2 ft high it might be three 839 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,359 feet high but it might be five feet 840 00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:55,040 across. So for us to put that limit in 841 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,960 there, 842 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,119 you know, and I I know this was talked 843 00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:01,280 about prior when we were in our 844 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,960 strategic planning and uh was well it's 845 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,480 always been like that, but just cuz it's 846 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:07,920 always been like that doesn't make it 847 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,400 right and it hasn't been enforced. It's 848 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,640 still something that I believe should be 849 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,710 addressed and 850 00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:18,240 removed 851 00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,480 from there. That 852 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,400 again, we could we could have it for our 853 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,839 hamlets or or our subdivisions, but when 854 00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:29,520 you get out to the to the egg sector, I 855 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:30,640 just don't believe it should be in 856 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,000 there. I don't know. I'd be looking for 857 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,559 some uh ideas and thoughts on it from 858 00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:39,440 the rest of council. But 859 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,079 if we go with that, half the fire pits 860 00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:44,800 in the county aren't legal according to 861 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,880 this. And and to just say, well, that's 862 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,839 okay. I I think we should have something 863 00:55:49,839 --> 00:55:51,440 to say somebody's not going to come 864 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,000 along one day and say, "Oh, your fire 865 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,760 pit's 4t. You need to remove it." You 866 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,559 know, we shouldn't be putting in 867 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:02,799 something that already doesn't fit for 868 00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:05,440 where all the counties or where a large 869 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,240 portion of the county residents 870 00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,799 have that in place. And if they've been 871 00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:14,400 having fire pits in it for the last 40 872 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,240 years and hasn't been an issue, I don't 873 00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:20,240 know why we would make it an issue now. 874 00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:21,920 >> Deputy Chief, go ahead, please. 875 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:27,200 >> Uh uh thank you, Councelor Therie. Um, I completely understand the sentiment 876 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,079 and uh it is a complex issue for sure. 877 00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:33,440 Our previous bylaw um like you said does 878 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,000 have stipulations on what a legal fire 879 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,000 pit looks like in Clearwater County and 880 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,720 to this date uh we have not enforced 881 00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:43,760 that unless there's been a significant 882 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,400 incident where that fire pit was uh 883 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,599 through an investigation determined the 884 00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:51,760 cause of a major fire that left a 885 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,359 property and caused significant damage 886 00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:54,640 where there was some kind of cost 887 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,359 recovery injury and or death. Um 888 00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:02,079 really uh the language in this new bylaw 889 00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:04,079 is less restrictive on fire pits than 890 00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,119 our previous bylaw. So we've actually uh 891 00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,040 in the in the spirit of aligning the 892 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,599 language in Clearwater County's bylaw 893 00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:13,599 because if council can can see the 894 00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:15,200 picture of our county, it's about a 895 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,119 fifth of our county where this bylaw 896 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:20,000 solely applies. The other four fifths of 897 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,920 the county is in the forest protection 898 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,400 area. And the language that's in this 899 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,359 current bylaw mimics the the province's 900 00:57:27,359 --> 00:57:29,920 language around approved fire pits in a 901 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,240 in the forest protection area. So as of 902 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,880 today, four-fifths of Clearwater County 903 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,160 is required to follow this standard for 904 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,760 a fire pit. Uh only the eastern portion 905 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,599 of Clearwater County outside the forest 906 00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:44,960 protection area, which is about a fifth 907 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,720 of our area landwise, is uh falls solely 908 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,920 under the discretion of old bylaw 1069. 909 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,400 Uh this bylaw change would actually make 910 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,040 the same rule appro apply east to west, 911 00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,720 north to south across Clearwater County 912 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,960 for what a legal fire pit looks like. 913 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,720 And we have no intention of inspecting 914 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,880 or capacity to inspect fire pits on 915 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,280 private property. It's really the fact 916 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,000 that we need a definition in the bylaw 917 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,040 of what a legal fire pit is. So that if 918 00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,280 there is a major incident that's causing 919 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,960 some kind of significant property 920 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,599 damage, injury, loss of life, where an 921 00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:21,440 investigation proves that that was the 922 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,760 origin and cause of that fire, that we 923 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,119 have some way to recover costs and to uh 924 00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:29,680 enforce penalties under the bylaw. If we 925 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,680 don't have a definition of a of illegal 926 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,760 fire pit across the board in Clearwater 927 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,559 County, uh that's where if that 928 00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:38,160 situation were to happen, we wouldn't 929 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,160 have any way of enforcing that that was 930 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:45,200 a uh a a fire hazard or a fire risk that 931 00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,359 caused the fire that was not legal in 932 00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:50,079 the first place to have. So really uh 933 00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:52,720 understanding the sentiment uh we have 934 00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,880 not to this day enforced fire pits 935 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,160 unless there's been a significant 936 00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:57,760 emergency where that's been deemed as 937 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,559 the as the problem or people are burning 938 00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:02,880 illegally during a fire ban or fire 939 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,520 restriction. Um and normally what 940 00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,839 happens is we enfor we we instruct them 941 00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:09,839 to extinguish the fire and that's really 942 00:59:09,839 --> 00:59:11,839 where today it stops because we don't 943 00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:14,000 have any uh teeth in our current bylaw 944 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,680 to enforce any penalty whatsoever 945 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,240 outside the forest protection area. Uh, 946 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,640 and this actually gives county residents 947 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,880 a consistent definition of a fire pit 948 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,079 across the entire county. 949 00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:28,720 >> So, have we had, 950 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,119 you know, an issue with a fire pit? I've 951 00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:32,640 never heard of one where a fire pit 952 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,200 started, somebody was having a fire in 953 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,640 their backyard fire pit and it burnt the 954 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,160 area down. Did that happen? 955 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,160 >> Yes, we have. I can't speak uh 956 00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,000 specifically to dates and times today, 957 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,799 but in my 10 years 10 years here with 958 00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:48,160 Clearwater Regional Fire Rescue 959 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,480 Services, we've had many fires that have 960 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,240 either originated from a fire pit uh in 961 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,720 someone's backyard. Uh we've had them in 962 00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:57,920 the town of Rocky Mountainhouse 963 00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,520 specifically where we've lost up to 964 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,160 three homes from a fire pit not being 965 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:03,599 attended, extending in someone's 966 01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:06,000 backyard to three properties. Uh we've 967 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,319 had them uh where burn barrels have 968 01:00:08,319 --> 01:00:11,599 caused repeat uh responses to the same 969 01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:13,839 property three four times over the 970 01:00:13,839 --> 01:00:16,079 course of two years where someone using 971 01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:18,559 a burn barrel uncor incorrectly or not 972 01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:20,799 extinguishing it not monitoring it uh 973 01:00:20,799 --> 01:00:22,559 has caused a wildfire that has left 974 01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:24,240 their property and burned onto adjacent 975 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,160 land owners properties damaged 976 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,480 structures uh that that has happened in 977 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:36,470 Clearwater County for sure. 978 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,839 I'm still just not good with that one 979 01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:42,720 meter size when we know it's not doesn't 980 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,559 fit for a lot of the residents. So, um I 981 01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:48,880 have an issue with that. Uh and and just 982 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,599 for clarity, that is a consistent site 983 01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:54,400 across the entire province of Alberta, 984 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,040 uh for for the entire forest protection 985 01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,160 area, any any municipality that you can 986 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,559 find a a fire bylaw for, which is the 987 01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:04,319 majority of municipalities in Alberta 988 01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:05,920 that have fire control bylaws that 989 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:11,359 stipulate uh sizes and restrictions on fire pits. That is a consistent size, 990 01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:14,079 and that's because that comes from uh 991 01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:16,160 the forest protection area specifically. 992 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,920 It is consistent across provinces as 993 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,000 well too. It's a fire fire service 994 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,440 standard of that 3 ft by 3 ft by 3 ft or 995 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,000 that one square or one cubic meter in 996 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,720 size of burning material as a manageable 997 01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,640 size for an for any competent adult to 998 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:39,680 uh control and extinguish effectively in most settings. Essentially there is a standard there. We're not 999 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,640 going outside or deviating from uh you 1000 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,040 know municipal uh or industry best 1001 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:46,960 practice across the board in Canada, let 1002 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,640 alone in in the province of Alberta. 1003 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,280 >> Yeah, it it might be the standard. I 1004 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:54,640 still don't think it's right. I mean, 1005 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,359 just because a guy has a fire pit that 1006 01:01:57,359 --> 01:02:00,559 was bigger doesn't mean he's building it 1007 01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:03,040 a fire that big, if you know what I'm 1008 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,680 saying. Correct. We we do have the 1009 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:12,079 ability um under this bylaw to permit uh 1010 01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:14,240 larger sized 1011 01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,000 uh pits. For an example, there's many um 1012 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,280 commercial or not for-profit 1013 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,119 organizations. Visited one yesterday 1014 01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:24,880 with Alberta. There is a a fire pit that 1015 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,520 would not meet this standard, but 1016 01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,640 variances do exist. Um, if there is a 1017 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,839 pit that is larger in size that they can 1018 01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:35,920 prove meets the intent of the bylaw and 1019 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,720 we go out and permit it, we have the 1020 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,400 discretion to do that. We can issue a 1021 01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,160 permit for something that is larger than 1022 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,760 what is in this pit or in this bylaw. 1023 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,280 >> So, they would have to get a permit 1024 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,200 every time they had a fire in their fire 1025 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:49,760 pit. 1026 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,680 >> Well, I mean, they they could get 1027 01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,760 similar to a burn barrel. A burn barrel 1028 01:02:53,760 --> 01:03:00,400 is larger than the 3 ft by 3 ft. uh a a brush pile is bigger than the 3 ft by 1029 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,319 3 ft. Um burn barrels can have a 1030 01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:06,240 standing fire permit for the year. We 1031 01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,680 can issue a fire permit in uh March 1st 1032 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,599 that is good for the entire year for 1033 01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:15,680 them for that for that burn barrel once it's deemed that it meets the 1034 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,839 standard. Uh there's a potential that we 1035 01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:19,839 can we can do that as well. We could we 1036 01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:21,599 could permit a fire pit as long as it 1037 01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:23,680 had the the grading on it and it met the 1038 01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,440 size. that would create a a significant 1039 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:28,960 administrative burden for the fire 1040 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,119 services for sure. Uh something again 1041 01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:33,119 that we we uh 1042 01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:34,960 >> sounds like more red tape and I don't 1043 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:36,240 think we want that. 1044 01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,400 >> I I I would I would tend to agree with 1045 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:39,920 council. I I don't believe that we want 1046 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,359 to endeavor down the path of of 1047 01:03:41,359 --> 01:03:43,760 permitting things outside of this. 1048 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,599 Again, that the intent of having the 1049 01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:47,520 definition in here is if you have a a 1050 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,760 fire of that size, you do not require a 1051 01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,160 fire permit. If you have a fire in a pit 1052 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,839 that meets this bylaw, you don't have to 1053 01:03:53,839 --> 01:03:55,760 have a fire permit. You can you can burn 1054 01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,280 as long as there's no restriction or ban 1055 01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,839 in that pit, burnable debris, whenever 1056 01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:02,400 you so choose, uh, without requesting a 1057 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,839 fire permit. Um, it's only if you if you 1058 01:04:05,839 --> 01:04:07,760 endeavor to burn something larger than 1059 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,319 that size in an in something that is not 1060 01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:12,000 considered an acceptable pit where you 1061 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,319 would need a fire permit. 1062 01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:15,839 So, we're not saying folks can't do 1063 01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:19,119 that. Uh, but this bylaw would say that 1064 01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:21,119 if they were if they were burning in in 1065 01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:22,400 something that doesn't meet the standard 1066 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,720 of an acceptable pit and we responded to 1067 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,119 that to that home for a fire that 1068 01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:31,200 escaped their fire pit that they may be fined under this bylaw for 1069 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:32,400 having a pit that doesn't meet the 1070 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,960 standard. 1071 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,520 >> For the comments, council 1072 01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,200 >> still 1073 01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,039 like I know there's residents out there 1074 01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:44,400 that have this 1075 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:45,920 have fire pits. They've had them for 1076 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,319 years. And just seems to me like we're 1077 01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:51,520 setting up something that you might not, 1078 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,520 but down the road somebody might come in 1079 01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,920 and go, you know, don't like the color 1080 01:04:55,920 --> 01:05:00,000 of his hair. Uh, his fire pit's too big. 1081 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,480 I think we should just not have that as 1082 01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,760 being an issue, whether it be a a 1083 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,240 grandfather clause or what. There has to 1084 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,880 be some way around an issue like that 1085 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,760 for existing rather than just saying 1086 01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,480 well I wouldn't do that but the next guy 1087 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,960 might just 1088 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,960 I think there should be something in 1089 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,880 here to address that issue. We know it's 1090 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,359 there. So I think we should address it 1091 01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:28,079 not sweep it under the rug and say we 1092 01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:29,599 won't. 1093 01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:33,119 And then if it does happen, we've got 1094 01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:36,559 residents that are 1095 01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:38,160 basically 1096 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,520 mad because they've been burning in this 1097 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,160 fire pit in their backyard for their 1098 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:45,599 whole life and now they have to change 1099 01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:47,119 it. 1100 01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:48,640 Just 1101 01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,359 I think we should address it somehow. 1102 01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:54,160 I'm looking for some way to rather than 1103 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:55,760 saying 1104 01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:00,390 we won't but we might. 1105 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:01,119 I'd have to 1106 01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:02,960 >> I don't like we won't we won't but we 1107 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,000 might 1108 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,319 >> counselor I I I 1109 01:06:06,319 --> 01:06:07,839 uh the request and I understand the 1110 01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:11,200 sentiment. Um, I would I would uh 1111 01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:16,400 endeavor to probably speak uh with legal 1112 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,000 on on if we could uh put some kind of 1113 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,319 clause in the bylaw where existing fire 1114 01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:25,359 pits uh that don't meet the standard of 1115 01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:27,200 this bylaw 1116 01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,079 um uh could be exempt and only new fire 1117 01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:31,839 pits going forward would have to meet 1118 01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:33,520 the standard. the the complexity would 1119 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,280 be is that our current bylaw that has 1120 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,480 been in in in place for over a decade 1121 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,799 already makes those pits you're speaking 1122 01:06:40,799 --> 01:06:45,200 about illegal in Clearwater County. Um 1123 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:49,359 this is this change is not going to make 1124 01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:52,720 pits illegal. Uh this change will 1125 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,680 actually probably make some pits uh 1126 01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,280 legal that weren't before because it's 1127 01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:58,799 less restrictive than the current 1128 01:06:58,799 --> 01:07:00,799 legislation that we have or current 1129 01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:02,640 bylaw we have in place in Clearwater 1130 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,240 County. Um this is this change does not 1131 01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,039 make a pit that's legal today illegal. 1132 01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:10,880 Um there that would not be the case in 1133 01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,520 Clearwater County at all. uh the the the 1134 01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,160 current language in the draft bylaw is 1135 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:17,839 less restrictive than the current 1136 01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:20,000 language in our current bylaw that is 1137 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:24,309 enforced today. 1138 01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:26,640 » Okay. So, go ahead, councelor. would not 1139 01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,119 make it illegal. Then for 1140 01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:31,119 >> there there's there's no Clearwater 1141 01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:35,359 County that is uh in in place anywhere 1142 01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:39,839 today that is not already illegal that 1143 01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:42,160 this bylaw would make illegal is what 1144 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,799 I'm saying. The the new language is less 1145 01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:46,319 restrictive than the current language. 1146 01:07:46,319 --> 01:07:48,319 So this this change would not make a a 1147 01:07:48,319 --> 01:07:50,240 whole bunch more fire pits in Clearwater 1148 01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,559 County illegal by any means. So, if we 1149 01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:54,640 were to try and endeavor to build some 1150 01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,119 language into this bylaw, 1151 01:07:57,119 --> 01:07:59,520 um 1152 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,280 I don't know how I'd have to speak with 1153 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,520 legal on what that would look like. Uh 1154 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:05,280 because I don't know how we could do 1155 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,039 that with a current bylaw already in 1156 01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:09,440 place that would make the pits you're 1157 01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:13,599 speaking about uh legal because our 1158 01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:15,280 current bylaw in place already makes 1159 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:19,600 them illegal. Um, 1160 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,920 and the the intent really I want to I 1161 01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:23,920 want to refocus on the intent of having 1162 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,880 a standard in the bylaw so that we have 1163 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:28,640 a benchmark 1164 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:33,199 uh in case something happens. We can't not have a definition in the 1165 01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:35,520 bylaw of what's 1166 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,920 legal as a fire pit. If we don't have 1167 01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,000 that definition, all of the penalties 1168 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,759 and fees in the bottom of this bylaw 1169 01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:43,839 that would relate to somebody having an 1170 01:08:43,839 --> 01:08:45,600 uncontrolled fire get away from them on 1171 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,759 their property would be uninforceable. 1172 01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:49,679 Uh and then the entire intent of this 1173 01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:52,640 bylaw outside of the fireworks portion, 1174 01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,480 for example, would would essentially 1175 01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:56,480 become uninforceable. And and if it was 1176 01:08:56,480 --> 01:08:59,040 challenged in any court of law, we would 1177 01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,040 be directed that this those portions of 1178 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,600 this bylaw would be uninforceable. So we 1179 01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,839 do need language in here that stipulates 1180 01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:08,080 what is legal. Could we change that to 1181 01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,920 something larger? Of course we can. Uh 1182 01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,000 but we we selected the language in this 1183 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,679 bylaw to make it consistent for 1184 01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:18,480 Clearwater County land owners. If we if 1185 01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:21,279 we have a different uh definition of 1186 01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:23,359 illegal fire pit in this bylaw, that 1187 01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:26,000 would mean that 1if of Clearwater County 1188 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,759 has a different definition of what's 1189 01:09:27,759 --> 01:09:29,600 legal and the other four-fifths are 1190 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,040 still uh legally responsible to follow 1191 01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:34,400 what's in the Forest and Prairie 1192 01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,040 Protection Act. That's the complexity in 1193 01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,920 our county is that Alberta, the Alberta, 1194 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:41,920 the province of Alberta is responsible 1195 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,839 for telling us what's a legal fire pit 1196 01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:47,440 in most of Clearwater County. 1197 01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:50,239 So, we need to take this up to up a 1198 01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:53,040 notch 1199 01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,920 >> and and with with the amount of caused 1200 01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,880 wildfires in Alberta, I I I don't 1201 01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,640 believe there would be any appetite to 1202 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,640 make it less restrictive for burning in 1203 01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,640 the forest protection area. 1204 01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,679 >> If not, if they reopen that bylaw, you 1205 01:10:07,679 --> 01:10:09,600 would probably see year round fire 1206 01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:10,960 permitting be one of the first things 1207 01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,640 that would happen. you would probably 1208 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,360 see more restrictions around uh what you 1209 01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:19,280 can burn when and why. Um but it's not a 1210 01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:20,960 problem that's getting easier to manage 1211 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,960 in the province of Alberta. And this is 1212 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,320 one of the reasons why we brought this 1213 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,400 bylaw forward is we are seeing the same 1214 01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,640 challenges outside the forest protection 1215 01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,320 area that the province is seeing inside 1216 01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,520 the forest protection area with more 1217 01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,239 larger wildfires, the vast majority of 1218 01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:39,280 them humancaused escaping our ability to 1219 01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,920 put them out quickly uh because of 1220 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,520 weather patterns and weather conditions 1221 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,440 that we're we're we're dealing with. And 1222 01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:47,760 this is the entire intent of this bylaw 1223 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,320 is to increase the safety standard for 1224 01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,080 Clearwater County residents while not 1225 01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,840 making it restrictive that people can 1226 01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,239 enjoy the rural lifestyle uh here in 1227 01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:58,880 Clearwater County. I I also love to have 1228 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,120 a campfire in my backyard and I live in 1229 01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,520 the forest pro uh forest protection area 1230 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,440 west of Dover Court and uh I I 1231 01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:09,520 understand that uh there's different 1232 01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,120 laws that I need to follow that my 1233 01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:12,719 neighbor a few miles to the east across 1234 01:11:12,719 --> 01:11:14,480 the clear water doesn't need to follow 1235 01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:16,480 today. 1236 01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:20,560 >> So yeah, and I I totally understand all 1237 01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,360 of this. I just this thing just jumped 1238 01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:28,320 out and because I know there there are 1239 01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,840 situations where it just doesn't fit. 1240 01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,800 Um, and I understand we've been in a 1241 01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,360 drought basically for the last 8 years. 1242 01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:40,320 So, we're dry as as can be out there. 1243 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:44,560 And and uh my my hats off to you guys 1244 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,360 for the job you do 1245 01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:51,360 with our fire protection. So, um, and I 1246 01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,520 understand why we're why we're doing 1247 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,480 this. I just had 1248 01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:59,120 some questions. So, I'm I'm still not 1249 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:07,110 sure how I how I feel about it. Uh, 1250 01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,920 guess that's why I'm why I'm sitting in 1251 01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,400 this seat is to 1252 01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,320 try and sort things out for the 1253 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,440 residents of Clearwater County. And I'm 1254 01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:20,960 one of them. So, uh, 1255 01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,840 try and make it make sense. 1256 01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,120 >> Thank you, councelor Humphrey. What I'm 1257 01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,719 hearing through this discussion, and 1258 01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:28,320 this is a really important discussion 1259 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:29,840 regarding fire pits for the residents of 1260 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,440 Clearwater County, I hear from councelor 1261 01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:32,800 Humphrey that he does not want to create 1262 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,800 any additional red tape or any 1263 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,679 burdensome legislation that or policy or 1264 01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:39,280 bylaws that could have negative impacts 1265 01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,520 on community members. And I think all of 1266 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,679 council would agree with that. I also am 1267 01:12:43,679 --> 01:12:46,320 hearing from the deputy fire chief that 1268 01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,159 uh there are already current bylaws in 1269 01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:49,600 place that have restrictions and size 1270 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:53,760 requirements on existing fire pits. 1271 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,920 I do believe that the the landscape of 1272 01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,360 Cleora County has also changed. We have 1273 01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:58,960 many more short-term rentals and 1274 01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,320 different users coming to the 1275 01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,880 municipality. We have uh more campsites 1276 01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,880 that have been designated on private 1277 01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,840 land where we have more users. we've had 1278 01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,280 uh so so that has changed the the users 1279 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,600 of fire pits and fire does have an 1280 01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:14,960 impact especially when you have a 1281 01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,280 wildfire event in the community. Uh burn 1282 01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,679 notifications versus fire permits. We've 1283 01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:21,360 already had many people in the community 1284 01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,840 that have used burn notification process 1285 01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,000 uh would just be now rather than a burn 1286 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,960 notification more a fire it would be a 1287 01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,880 permit. 1288 01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,280 So, with that being said, um there are 1289 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:34,560 some council members that would like to 1290 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:35,600 provide comments and we'll start with 1291 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:37,120 councelor Lewin. 1292 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,320 >> Yes. Um if you had a fire pit got out of 1293 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,960 control on you and burnt down your place 1294 01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,159 and the neighbor's place, um you charge 1295 01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:49,600 them or find them. Is that correct? 1296 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,440 >> Uh councelor Lewin, great question. And 1297 01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:52,960 it's a complex one. It depends on where 1298 01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,199 you are in Clearwater County. uh if that 1299 01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:57,440 happens in the forest protection area 1300 01:13:57,440 --> 01:13:59,600 and there was some kind of negligence or 1301 01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,120 uh you know a fire pit that didn't meet 1302 01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,640 the standard or somebody wasn't 1303 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,960 attending the burn uh under the forest 1304 01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,080 and prairie protection act there's 1305 01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,480 actually quite heavy penalties for that 1306 01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:11,280 >> uh up to where that landowner can be uh 1307 01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,199 build for the entire cost of the 1308 01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:13,840 response. 1309 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,360 >> What about on your private property? 1310 01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:16,080 That's what I was 1311 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,440 >> even on your private property if you're 1312 01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:19,120 in the forest protection area if you 1313 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:20,719 have a fire that gets off your property 1314 01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:22,080 and extends 1315 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:23,600 >> and there's any kind of wildfire 1316 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,480 response that if that wildfire response 1317 01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:27,920 officer deems that there was some type 1318 01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,520 of negligence or breach of the forest 1319 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,679 per protection act you could be fined 1320 01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:33,600 under the for protection act and you 1321 01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,440 could also be build for the cost of the 1322 01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:38,000 response which can be on wildfire 1323 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,400 incidents astronomical. Uh there's been 1324 01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,560 some very hefty bills to private land 1325 01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:48,080 owners in other parts of the county uh in the millions of dollars uh to 1326 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,840 recover costs for wildfire response 1327 01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,400 based on air tankers and helicopters and 1328 01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,800 heavy equipment and crews. Uh there's 1329 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,880 also civil liability for that person 1330 01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,040 they would carry uh where adjacent land 1331 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:02,159 owners and insurance companies could uh 1332 01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:05,280 you know essentially through civil uh 1333 01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,760 civil law uh try and recover damages and 1334 01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,880 losses. Um, yes, you can be fined 1335 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,600 outside the force, uh, protection area 1336 01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,400 in Clearwater County. Uh, our current 1337 01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,800 bylaw and the language in this bylaw 1338 01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,360 allows us as discretion to bill land 1339 01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,840 owners. Uh, we do not bill for fire 1340 01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,120 response for, uh, fires that are are not 1341 01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,320 negligible in in nature. Uh, we can cost 1342 01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,239 recover through insurance if we have the 1343 01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:34,640 avenue to do that. Uh this bylaw 1344 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,400 specifically states in the fees and 1345 01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,719 services in the bottom uh when we would 1346 01:15:38,719 --> 01:15:41,199 bill and when we would not. Uh that 1347 01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:43,360 aligns with our current county bylaw as 1348 01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,320 well. Uh the 1069 1349 01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,760 um for there is a specific section that 1350 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,760 talks about wildfires inside and outside 1351 01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,080 the forest protection area. I think Jan 1352 01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,640 is looking for it for us right now. 1353 01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,480 I guess where I'm going with this one is 1354 01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:02,159 if you did find uh residents with 1355 01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:04,320 insurance that had insurance and they 1356 01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,239 were fined for neglect or what whatever 1357 01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:08,640 you find them with um their insurance 1358 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,960 would be null and void, wouldn't it? 1359 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,560 >> Uh or 1360 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,960 >> no. Um 1361 01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,199 it it depends on your insurance. Okay. 1362 01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:20,080 >> But uh personal liability insurance is 1363 01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,679 in a lot of cases not necessarily no 1364 01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:26,400 fault insurance. Uh sometimes your 1365 01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,159 insurance will cover it, other times it 1366 01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:29,840 will not. It depends solely on the 1367 01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,800 insurance provider and your policy. Um 1368 01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,040 but in certain situations, yes, that is 1369 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,280 the case. You could be insured and if 1370 01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,760 you were doing something negligent, 1371 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,040 um your insurance company could hold you 1372 01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:43,520 um 1373 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:44,080 >> responsible 1374 01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,080 >> at responsible and and not cover those 1375 01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:46,880 costs. 1376 01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,040 >> Second, 1377 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,120 >> councelor Powell. Go ahead. I was just 1378 01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:52,560 going to make a motion that council 1379 01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:56,640 grants first reading to bylaw 26102 1380 01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,920 complete with amendments. 1381 01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:01,440 >> Okay. 1382 01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:03,760 We have a motion for councelor Powell to 1383 01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:08,310 grant first reading to bylaw 26102. 1384 01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,239 Deputy Reef McKay. Go ahead. 1385 01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:12,000 >> Thanks Ree. And just quickly before we 1386 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,400 vote on that motion, just regarding 1387 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,000 fireworks, 1388 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,800 a fireworks permit is being required 1389 01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,920 year round now. I don't believe that was 1390 01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,960 part of any other previous discussions 1391 01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:28,400 that we had. 1392 01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,800 Uh Deputy Reef, we that was not changed. 1393 01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,719 That was original language in the bylaw. 1394 01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:34,640 I'd have to clarify with Chief Hemrich 1395 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,239 when he's back or with wildfire, but I 1396 01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:37,920 believe that fireworks permits 1397 01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:39,920 specifically are required in the FBA 1398 01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,000 year around year round. Fireworks are 1399 01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,440 handled separately than than uh uh 1400 01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:48,400 recreational fires and and and uh 1401 01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,159 burning because they they there's a 1402 01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:51,760 portion of the explosives act that 1403 01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:59,120 applies um where it includes sale and storage as well. So, not only does 1404 01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,280 the user uh in the forest protection 1405 01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,159 area today, if you buy fireworks in 1406 01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:06,159 Edmonton and drive to Clearwater County 1407 01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:07,840 and decide you want to discharge 1408 01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,719 fireworks at the um you know out by the 1409 01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:12,880 Ram River in the FBA, you require a fire 1410 01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:14,880 permit today from Alberta Forestry, 1411 01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,199 >> right? And um I understand that, but 1412 01:18:17,199 --> 01:18:19,440 this isn't only applying to the FBA. 1413 01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:21,360 This is applying to Clearwater County. 1414 01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,199 >> Correct. Yeah. So to tell someone on the 1415 01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:25,760 east side of Clearwater County they 1416 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,040 require a permit for fireworks for New 1417 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,440 Year's Eve when there's 3 ft of snow on 1418 01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:33,199 the ground. Ridiculous isn't the right 1419 01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:35,120 word to describe that. 1420 01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:36,719 >> Understood, counselor. And and I can 1421 01:18:36,719 --> 01:18:40,719 clarify that. Um I I believe and uh that 1422 01:18:40,719 --> 01:18:43,120 fireworks permits are required year 1423 01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,800 round in the FBA today. 1424 01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,960 >> Right. In like in the fire protection 1425 01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:50,480 area for sure. and and part of the 1426 01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:52,400 reason why the language says that in in 1427 01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,199 this bylaw was to align with what the 1428 01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:56,640 province is doing. So again, we don't 1429 01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,080 have two standards depending on where 1430 01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,719 you live in Claywater County. Um and 1431 01:19:00,719 --> 01:19:02,719 part of the permitting uh with fireworks 1432 01:19:02,719 --> 01:19:04,800 isn't necessarily around just the fire 1433 01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,960 risk, it's around the the human danger 1434 01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,000 as well. Um there is a lot of injuries 1435 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:11,760 and deaths annually in Canada and the 1436 01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,600 United States due to improper use of 1437 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,400 recreational fireworks. It's probably uh 1438 01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:20,960 the commercial grade fireworks shows are are less so problematic. Usually you 1439 01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:24,000 have pyro technicians standards experts 1440 01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,320 dealing with them, but it's the it's the 1441 01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,480 ability for somebody to buy fireworks at 1442 01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:30,640 their store and drive out west and set 1443 01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:34,320 off a whole bunch of fireworks in 1444 01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:38,000 vicarious ways. Uh that we see lots of 1445 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,760 injuries, serious injuries, significant 1446 01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,520 injuries, losses of limbs, losses of 1447 01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,679 vision, things like that. So part of the 1448 01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:44,880 permitting on fireworks isn't 1449 01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,960 necessarily just the fire hazard. It's 1450 01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,360 also the the safety and human risk to 1451 01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,159 them. Um they may not create a wildfire, 1452 01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:53,840 but they may cause a structure fire 1453 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:55,840 based on how you you're discharging 1454 01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,239 them, how you uh store them, things like 1455 01:19:58,239 --> 01:19:59,920 that. They can create undue fire risk 1456 01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:02,719 and explosion risks uh if they're stored 1457 01:20:02,719 --> 01:20:05,280 in in at length. Uh so it's not 1458 01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,679 essentially just the wildfire risk on 1459 01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:09,520 why we'd be permitting fireworks. 1460 01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,760 There's other risks there as well on why 1461 01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,520 that's an annual permitting process and 1462 01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,880 not just this bylaw isn't specifically 1463 01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,960 around the wildfire risk in Clearwater 1464 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,440 County. This is the fire services bylaw 1465 01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:23,920 that that handles everything we we deal 1466 01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,400 with, not specific to wildfire risk. So 1467 01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,679 the the fire permitting for fireworks is 1468 01:20:29,679 --> 01:20:31,280 not solely on the wildfire risk. So 1469 01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:32,800 understanding there's no risk for a 1470 01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:34,239 wildfire for New Year's when you're 1471 01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:35,520 discharging fireworks. There's other 1472 01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:36,880 risks on why we would permit them 1473 01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:43,830 annually. 1474 01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,960 and and for clarity's sake, um the 1475 01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:52,480 Explosives Act changes two years ago um 1476 01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:55,520 came into force and basically in in our 1477 01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,280 in Canada, if a municipality doesn't 1478 01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:01,120 have a a fireworks bylaw or a bylaw 1479 01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,280 allowing fireworks to be sold or 1480 01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,920 discharged, they're actually blanketly 1481 01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,320 illegal. Uh so currently our current 1482 01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,719 fire control bylaw does not allow the 1483 01:21:10,719 --> 01:21:13,280 use of fireworks at all because there's 1484 01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:14,719 nothing in there that speaks about it. 1485 01:21:14,719 --> 01:21:16,800 So the explosives act is now in force 1486 01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,199 which means that everywhere that sells 1487 01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:21,040 fireworks today in Clearwater County, 1488 01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,040 anybody discharging fireworks anywhere 1489 01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,440 in Clearwater County today is doing so 1490 01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:27,199 technically illegally because we don't 1491 01:21:27,199 --> 01:21:30,159 have a bylaw permitting their use. So 1492 01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:32,560 this actually cleans that piece up. This 1493 01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:34,560 was something that I believe previous uh 1494 01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,400 fire administration was attempting to 1495 01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:37,920 get in front of council for some time 1496 01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,239 now is that since the changes of the 1497 01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:43,679 explosives act at the federal level um 1498 01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:45,440 fireworks use in Clearwater County has 1499 01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:47,199 essentially become illegal until we put 1500 01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:49,840 a a a system in place here that allows 1501 01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,360 their use. So this would actually 1502 01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,280 now increase administratively the fact 1503 01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:56,719 that we would need to go and permit the 1504 01:21:56,719 --> 01:21:58,159 places that are selling them. We would 1505 01:21:58,159 --> 01:21:59,840 need to permit those places would need 1506 01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,000 to have a structure in place for uh 1507 01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,760 requiring checking age uh of who is of 1508 01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,080 buying the fireworks. Uh and then we 1509 01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:09,280 would they would have to have a permit 1510 01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,199 from us to discharge them. Which in that 1511 01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:13,360 case if we were to put a restriction or 1512 01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,120 a ban on we could then contact those 1513 01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:16,480 individuals and say you no longer can 1514 01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:17,679 discharge your fireworks because the 1515 01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:20,239 fire risk is too high fireworks because 1516 01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:22,880 the fire risk is too high. Uh but as it 1517 01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,560 stands today, um if any law enforcement 1518 01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,120 uh agency catches somebody discharging 1519 01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,520 fireworks in Clearwater County, they can 1520 01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:32,719 find them today because it is 1521 01:22:32,719 --> 01:22:35,040 technically illegal under the Explosives 1522 01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:36,320 Act because we don't have a bylaw 1523 01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,400 permitting their use. 1524 01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,159 >> Thank you for that, Deputy Chief. So the 1525 01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:43,199 dis uh discharging of fireworks in the 1526 01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:45,280 past or by any resident in Clearwater 1527 01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,159 County has done so illegally, but 1528 01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:49,120 >> that's correct. 1529 01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,679 >> Correct. Yeah. 1530 01:22:51,679 --> 01:22:53,360 allegedly. I 1531 01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,639 >> Go ahead, Deputy Reef. 1532 01:22:56,639 --> 01:22:58,560 >> I'm not familiar with the National 1533 01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,800 Explosive Act. I mean, I'm not 1534 01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,520 registered, 1535 01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,080 but uh to believe that fireworks that 1536 01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,239 can be purchased at any store in 1537 01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:11,760 Clearwater County, literally any store 1538 01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:13,360 and any store across the entire 1539 01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:17,440 province, are now illegal. 1540 01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:20,800 I find that tough. 1541 01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,719 and the fact that we're going back to 1542 01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:24,800 the argument that unless we say it's 1543 01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,679 legal, it's illegal, that's a very tough 1544 01:23:27,679 --> 01:23:30,239 position to negotiate from. 1545 01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:32,400 >> I understand brief that this was a 1546 01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,480 massive discussion at the Alberta Fire 1547 01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:37,440 Chiefs Association for the last uh many 1548 01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:42,400 years. Um it is a uh an NRCAN direction 1549 01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,159 when they changed the explosives act 1550 01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:47,280 that made it very clear on that uh 1551 01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,040 specific law enforcement agencies were 1552 01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:50,639 the only agencies allowed to enforce the 1553 01:23:50,639 --> 01:23:52,239 explosives act. They pulled it out of 1554 01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:54,880 the national fire code uh and put it 1555 01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,040 into the explosives act. There were some 1556 01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,280 very large code changes at the national 1557 01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,080 level when uh Alberta in 2019 adopted 1558 01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:03,920 the national fire code and now the the 1559 01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,840 2023 Alberta edition of the national 1560 01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,400 fire code where they removed everything 1561 01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:10,400 but storage of fireworks out of the fire 1562 01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:11,520 code and took it out of the 1563 01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,639 municipalities hands on to manage at the 1564 01:24:14,639 --> 01:24:18,159 fire inspection level. uh those changes 1565 01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:21,040 put into a into motion a situation 1566 01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:23,600 legally where unless a municipality in 1567 01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:27,600 Canada has a bylaw allowing fireworks uh 1568 01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,480 to be sold, stored and discharged that 1569 01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:33,199 uh they were not legal to be sold, 1570 01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:34,480 storage, and discharged. And that was 1571 01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:36,239 the legal opinion based on the changes 1572 01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:38,400 to the codes al the fire code and the 1573 01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,320 national fire uh the national explosives 1574 01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,800 act. Um, and it's been a massive 1575 01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,719 discussion at the Alberta fire chiefs 1576 01:24:44,719 --> 01:24:46,639 and the office of the fire commissioner 1577 01:24:46,639 --> 01:24:48,239 levels across the country, specifically 1578 01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:51,840 here in Alberta. And I I understand uh 1579 01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,480 we we live in a province where there is 1580 01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:57,520 a lot of acts uh that are uninforced 1581 01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,760 today that exist. There's a lot of law 1582 01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,480 in place that are completely uninforced 1583 01:25:02,480 --> 01:25:05,520 um or uh enforced very little, 1584 01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,000 especially in rural Alberta. the 1585 01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:12,560 province is is is being a lot less um 1586 01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,880 sympathetic to rural municipalities for 1587 01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:16,480 not enforcing things like the building 1588 01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:19,199 code, the fire code, the explosives act. 1589 01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:21,679 Uh and we are in a position of liability 1590 01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:23,679 when we when we do not enforce 1591 01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:25,840 provincial and national legislation. We 1592 01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,679 are we are in that position of of 1593 01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:30,960 liability. Um this the intent of this 1594 01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:32,639 bylaw is to try and close some of those 1595 01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:34,639 liability gaps for Clearwater County and 1596 01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:37,600 start to uh align with our partners in 1597 01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:39,520 the province uh specifically the forest 1598 01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:41,760 prepare uh and protection area so that 1599 01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,080 our our residents have one standard set 1600 01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:45,920 of rules to follow and they're not 1601 01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:47,360 flipping through multiple documents 1602 01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:48,719 based on where they live to figure out 1603 01:25:48,719 --> 01:25:51,600 if something's legal or not. 1604 01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,000 That is the intent. Um I I can 1605 01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:58,000 definitely uh uh find some more detail 1606 01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,360 on the fireworks portion and provide 1607 01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:00,639 some clarity to council at a future 1608 01:26:00,639 --> 01:26:02,800 council meeting as well uh on those 1609 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,639 changes and how they impact the county. 1610 01:26:04,639 --> 01:26:07,360 Uh we can uh get separate legal opinion 1611 01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,760 as well if that's if that's the the 1612 01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:11,199 desired council. 1613 01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:13,280 >> Thank you. And I I truly do appreciate 1614 01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:17,360 the intention of creating an act that is 1615 01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,520 equal across the county. I understand 1616 01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,320 that. However, 1617 01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:24,800 the overreach that has found its way 1618 01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:28,080 into this act, whether intentional or 1619 01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:30,080 not, really puts this council in a very 1620 01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,199 difficult position because for me to 1621 01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:37,520 explain that now anyone just using 1622 01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,600 recreational fireworks such as Roman 1623 01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,000 candles, which we all know are incapable 1624 01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,840 of harming anyone, is now illegal in 1625 01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,639 Clearwater County because we created a 1626 01:26:48,639 --> 01:26:52,629 bylaw that said it 1627 01:26:52,639 --> 01:26:55,199 Just just for clarity, um this bylaw 1628 01:26:55,199 --> 01:26:57,840 actually permits the use with a permit. 1629 01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,440 >> Well, with a permit. 1630 01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:00,159 >> Yeah. 1631 01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:00,639 >> Go ahead. 1632 01:27:00,639 --> 01:27:04,000 >> Where go for a permit? 1633 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:05,440 >> Where do you go for a permit? 1634 01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:06,800 >> That same place that somebody would get 1635 01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,120 a a fire permit for burning a brush 1636 01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,360 pile. You would receive it. If if you're 1637 01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:12,800 in the if you're in the forest 1638 01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:14,400 protection area today, you have to go to 1639 01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,239 Alberta Forestry request firework. I 1640 01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:18,480 don't need a permit to burn a brush pile 1641 01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:21,280 the size of your house in December. But 1642 01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,840 now I need a permit to use recreational 1643 01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,800 fireworks on New Year's. 1644 01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,520 >> Yes, correct. That is the that was that 1645 01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:30,800 was how the bylaw is written. 1646 01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:31,840 >> If if I may 1647 01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:33,600 >> saying that deputy chief, I just have 1648 01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:34,880 one question. So with the but the 1649 01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:38,159 fireworks were they were illegal like 1650 01:27:38,159 --> 01:27:40,320 365 days of the year prior to they were 1651 01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:40,880 illegal 1652 01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:42,000 >> allegedly, 1653 01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:42,480 >> right? 1654 01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:45,120 >> But they're still sold here. They're 1655 01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,360 sold, but discharging them was illegal. 1656 01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:48,880 But now you would be able to obtain a 1657 01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,120 permit to discharge fire fireworks. 1658 01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:52,639 >> Correct. As of today, with the current 1659 01:27:52,639 --> 01:27:55,040 bylaw in place, the only place that we 1660 01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:57,679 have uh authority to manage anything to 1661 01:27:57,679 --> 01:27:59,679 do with uh fireworks in Clearwater 1662 01:27:59,679 --> 01:28:01,440 County is either the province through 1663 01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:03,360 Alberta Forestry whenever somebody wants 1664 01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:04,960 to discharge fireworks in their forest 1665 01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:06,960 protection area or through fire 1666 01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:08,400 inspections of those places that are 1667 01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:09,600 selling them. We can tell them whether 1668 01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,520 or not they're storing them correctly as 1669 01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,639 per the fire code. Uh the explosives act 1670 01:28:14,639 --> 01:28:17,360 today requires those people selling them 1671 01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,000 to um take a license for whoever's 1672 01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,360 selling them, take their name and their 1673 01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,040 phone number, all kinds of things. I'm 1674 01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:24,639 not sure if that's being enforced at 1675 01:28:24,639 --> 01:28:27,120 all. Um this isn't wouldn't be our 1676 01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:28,480 intention either, but there's other 1677 01:28:28,480 --> 01:28:30,159 pieces in the explosives act that I'm 1678 01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:31,920 sure are not being followed across the 1679 01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:33,280 province of Alberta, not just in 1680 01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,360 Clearwater County, that came into force 1681 01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,120 when they changed the explosives act in 1682 01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:38,880 the fire code. 1683 01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:40,320 I have one more question and I 1684 01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,159 absolutely understand where Deputy Reev 1685 01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:44,159 M is coming from with the permitting 1686 01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:46,239 process for fireworks with that with the 1687 01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:49,199 number of the number of CRA and CR 1688 01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:51,840 parcels that have been subdivided in the 1689 01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:56,239 past when now a permit is being 1690 01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:58,960 requested. Would it be would it consider 1691 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,679 neighboring agricultural operations and 1692 01:29:01,679 --> 01:29:04,159 impacts on livestock for the discharging 1693 01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:06,159 of those fireworks because they can have 1694 01:29:06,159 --> 01:29:08,960 an impact on on cattle or livestock. So 1695 01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:10,400 would would that be considered in the 1696 01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:13,199 permit? So with the number of uh small 1697 01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:15,120 parcel holders potentially setting off 1698 01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:16,960 firework display having a negative 1699 01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,199 impact on a cattle producer for instance 1700 01:29:19,199 --> 01:29:20,480 would would that be considered in the 1701 01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:21,679 permitting process? It 1702 01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:23,760 >> it can definitely be part of our our 1703 01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:25,360 policy on how we consider fireworks 1704 01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:32,000 permits in Clearwater County. If if uh if that was uh a priority of council 1705 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,760 for sure, we could we could look at that 1706 01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,159 and based on approving a lot of these 1707 01:29:36,159 --> 01:29:38,400 permits if there's no wildfire risk at 1708 01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:40,080 the time would be essentially 1709 01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,320 automatically approved uh subject to 1710 01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:45,679 size and what they're burning. Um 1711 01:29:45,679 --> 01:29:47,120 >> okay. No, I just wanted to bring 1712 01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,120 awareness to that. sometimes said in the 1713 01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:50,800 past that it's uh you'd have the right 1714 01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:52,080 to do what you want on your land, but 1715 01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,080 sometimes doing on your land does have a 1716 01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:55,600 negative impact or an impact on the 1717 01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,760 neighboring land owner. So, with that 1718 01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,040 said, we do have a motion on the floor 1719 01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:00,560 for first reading from councelor Powell 1720 01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:06,149 to grant first reading to bylaw 26102. 1721 01:30:06,159 --> 01:30:07,600 Seeing no further discussion on that 1722 01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:09,280 item, I'll call the question. All those 1723 01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:12,709 in favor 1724 01:30:12,719 --> 01:30:15,120 and those opposed. 1725 01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:16,880 Okay, that motion is supported for first 1726 01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:19,600 reading. 1727 01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,840 Moving on to further discussion or 1728 01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,239 motion for second reading to bylaw 1729 01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:29,350 number 26102. 1730 01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,600 Councelor Surmarmac, 1731 01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:35,040 >> do I do I understand this correctly that 1732 01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:39,520 1ifth of our county is more restrictive 1733 01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,560 than four fifths of our county 1734 01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:46,400 at the present time in our fire in our 1735 01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,560 fire bylaw? 1736 01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:51,040 >> Uh, councelor Surerac uh specifically 1737 01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:56,800 when it comes to uh fire pit uh size and 1738 01:30:56,800 --> 01:31:00,639 construction. Yes. Um, this bylaw is 1739 01:31:00,639 --> 01:31:02,560 actually less restrictive. The language 1740 01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:04,639 in this bylaw is less restrictive than 1741 01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:07,600 our pre our current uh bylaw in place. 1742 01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,080 However, our we are not the authority 1743 01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,159 having jurisdiction for what a fire pit 1744 01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:14,639 looks like in four-fifths of our county. 1745 01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:16,719 Rough numbers based on the size of the 1746 01:31:16,719 --> 01:31:19,120 eastern portion that's outside the FBA. 1747 01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:20,880 Uh the majority of our population 1748 01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:22,719 therefore in Clearwater County is in 1749 01:31:22,719 --> 01:31:25,120 that 1/5if of the county that is outside 1750 01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:28,159 the forest protection area. Um but the 1751 01:31:28,159 --> 01:31:30,000 other portions of Clearwater County are 1752 01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,719 less restrictive for fire pits for sure. 1753 01:31:32,719 --> 01:31:34,719 They are more restrictive currently for 1754 01:31:34,719 --> 01:31:37,120 permitting. Uh they are more restrictive 1755 01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:41,840 for um fines and penalties uh based on 1756 01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:44,400 uh negligent burning or burning during a 1757 01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,920 uh a banner or a restriction. the the 1758 01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:53,199 Force and Prairie Protection Act uh is very clear uh and it is it it is 1759 01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:55,040 enforced by Alberta Wildfire quite 1760 01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:56,719 frequently in the western portions of 1761 01:31:56,719 --> 01:31:59,360 Clearwater County for uh for things like 1762 01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:01,600 that, but their pit description is less 1763 01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:03,600 restrictive than our current bylaw is. 1764 01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:05,679 So, this language in this new bylaw 1765 01:32:05,679 --> 01:32:07,679 would bring us into alignment with the 1766 01:32:07,679 --> 01:32:10,320 rest of the county for fire pits uh for 1767 01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:13,920 permitting uh for fees and and um and 1768 01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,080 penalties. 1769 01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,080 I thank you for bringing that forward to 1770 01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:21,199 making our county the same whether you 1771 01:32:21,199 --> 01:32:24,239 live in a in a green area or if you live 1772 01:32:24,239 --> 01:32:28,880 in a in a on in the farming area. And 1773 01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:30,639 this this is the this here the map 1774 01:32:30,639 --> 01:32:32,800 that's pulled up is is the def is the 1775 01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:34,719 difference. So essentially the yellow 1776 01:32:34,719 --> 01:32:36,560 area is outside the forest protection 1777 01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,960 area. The brown area is within it. Uh we 1778 01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:40,400 are the sole authority having 1779 01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:42,800 jurisdiction for everything fire in that 1780 01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:44,320 yellow area. 1781 01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,000 uh we are the authority having 1782 01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,960 jurisdiction for structure fires, 1783 01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,520 vehicle fires uh in the Brown area, but 1784 01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:53,440 when it comes to wildland fires, fire 1785 01:32:53,440 --> 01:32:59,520 permitting for burning um and fees and fines related to the forest repair 1786 01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,280 protection act, that brown area, Alberta 1787 01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:02,639 Forestry and Parks is the authority 1788 01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:04,719 having jurisdiction. And right now we 1789 01:33:04,719 --> 01:33:06,480 have two sets of rules based on brown 1790 01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:08,080 and yellow. We're trying to make them 1791 01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,719 consistent across the board. That red 1792 01:33:10,719 --> 01:33:13,120 line that roughly from the south follows 1793 01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,560 Highway 22 just south of Cran. It it 1794 01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,639 sneaks across to the east of 22 and 1795 01:33:18,639 --> 01:33:20,719 steals a portion of timber there. It 1796 01:33:20,719 --> 01:33:22,400 comes up to just south of Caroline and 1797 01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:25,440 runs west to uh essentially just south 1798 01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:27,440 of Highway 22, comes up and follows the 1799 01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:29,120 Clearwater River all the way into Rocky 1800 01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:30,880 Mountain House and then north of Rocky 1801 01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:34,639 Jags out to Pinoa County essentially is 1802 01:33:34,639 --> 01:33:37,520 the is the boundary. So, 1803 01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:40,080 it's it's there's some very recognizable 1804 01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:41,760 features. It's very easy to enforce 1805 01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:43,280 along the Clear Water. Do you live west 1806 01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:45,199 or east of the Clear Water River, north 1807 01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:47,440 of Rocky Mountain House, uh south of 1808 01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:50,080 Caroline? It can be you can live on a 1809 01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,480 range and your neighbor across the 1810 01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:54,560 street can or can't burn and you can or 1811 01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,040 can't or they will have a fine and you 1812 01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:59,280 won't or they can have a pit this way 1813 01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:01,920 and you can't. Uh so, it's very 1814 01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:03,600 confusing for residents and land owners 1815 01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:05,679 for sure. 1816 01:34:05,679 --> 01:34:08,400 Thank you for making it the same for the 1817 01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:11,360 whole country. I think it's important. 1818 01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:12,159 Thanks. 1819 01:34:12,159 --> 01:34:13,760 >> Thank you, Council Turac. At this point 1820 01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:15,040 in time, we've had a significant amount 1821 01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,440 of discussion regarding fireworks, 1822 01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:19,440 uh, 1823 01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:21,360 fire pits. Uh, a lot of discussion on 1824 01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,000 bylaw 26102, fire rescue services bylaw 1825 01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,639 and item 54.2 on today's agenda. But at 1826 01:34:26,639 --> 01:34:27,440 this point in time, we're going to take 1827 01:34:27,440 --> 01:46:55,109 a 10-minute recess return at 10:25. 1828 01:46:55,119 --> 01:46:57,119 Welcome back from our recess and welcome 1829 01:46:57,119 --> 01:46:58,639 back to the Clearwater County regular 1830 01:46:58,639 --> 01:47:02,320 council meeting for August 25th, 2026. 1831 01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:04,239 We've had significant discussion on item 1832 01:47:04,239 --> 01:47:08,000 4.2, bylaw 26102 for fire rescue service 1833 01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,320 bylaw. First reading was passed on this 1834 01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:12,800 bylaw and I'll continue to open the 1835 01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:14,800 floor for discussion and uh potential 1836 01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:16,400 motions for second reading. Councelor 1837 01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:20,310 Humphrey, go ahead, please. 1838 01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:23,679 » No comments from councelor Humphrey. 1839 01:47:23,679 --> 01:47:24,480 >> Go ahead, councelor. 1840 01:47:24,480 --> 01:47:27,360 >> Yes, see as I see as I do have it. 1841 01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:27,920 >> Go ahead. 1842 01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:30,239 >> Have the mic. It it just seems like 1843 01:47:30,239 --> 01:47:34,470 we're uh 1844 01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:37,119 we want to keep in mind that our our 1845 01:47:37,119 --> 01:47:38,639 county 1846 01:47:38,639 --> 01:47:41,520 I'm not sure on the exact 1847 01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:43,920 uh numbers but as you can see that 1848 01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:46,960 yellow area that's that's 15th of the 1849 01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:50,400 area but it's probably 1850 01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:55,280 90% or more of the population. 1851 01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:57,280 So, and we seem to be worried a lot 1852 01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:59,040 about 1853 01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:01,760 making it all the same for the whole 1854 01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:03,760 county. And I'm not sure that's really 1855 01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:06,239 an issue we need to 1856 01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:09,119 worry about. We should 1857 01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:11,600 maybe think more about what are what is 1858 01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:13,920 the effect to the all of our residents 1859 01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:17,199 or the majority of our res residents 1860 01:48:17,199 --> 01:48:19,360 cuz yeah we have a we live in a huge 1861 01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:23,520 county but the fire protection area 1862 01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:26,560 encompasses as as has been said like 1863 01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:33,360 four four fifths or or larger but our population is 1864 01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:36,000 largely centered in the yellow portions 1865 01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:39,920 of that and what we're the stuff we're 1866 01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:41,920 talking about and deciding on here today 1867 01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:46,480 is is affecting 90% of our population 1868 01:48:46,480 --> 01:48:48,880 and I just feel we maybe need to have a 1869 01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:51,040 little more time a little more time on 1870 01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:53,360 the drawing board for some of these 1871 01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:56,000 issues. Thank you, Councelor Humphrey. 1872 01:48:56,000 --> 01:48:58,400 I'm going to defer to CEO Simpson. Go 1873 01:48:58,400 --> 01:48:59,600 ahead, please. 1874 01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:02,159 >> Thank you, uh, Mr. Reev. I I I want to 1875 01:49:02,159 --> 01:49:03,840 throw three words out in front of 1876 01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:06,960 council that should maybe help 1877 01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:08,719 I would hope set your minds at ease on 1878 01:49:08,719 --> 01:49:11,360 the application of this bylaw. Um one 1879 01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:14,159 being uh negligence, one being the 1880 01:49:14,159 --> 01:49:16,400 reasonable standard and one being 1881 01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:17,760 enforcement because all of the 1882 01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:19,440 conversations that we're having back and 1883 01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:24,000 forth deal in those three key areas. Um 1884 01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:25,520 while it's been mentioned many times 1885 01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:28,159 that the brown area has a predefined 1886 01:49:28,159 --> 01:49:30,880 reasonable standard and the yellow area 1887 01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:33,360 has an actually a tougher reasonable 1888 01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:34,960 standard under the current bylaw 1889 01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:38,880 respecting say fire pit sizes. Um 1890 01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,600 the uh the reasonable standard that 1891 01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:45,280 we're trying to set here in the I guess 1892 01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:47,679 to tie in with the province's reasonable 1893 01:49:47,679 --> 01:49:50,560 standards regarding fire pit sizes. We 1894 01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:54,000 do need to set one. But the enforcement 1895 01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:55,920 piece, Council Humphrey, was one that 1896 01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:58,080 you spoke to. You know, you you you gave 1897 01:49:58,080 --> 01:49:59,440 the example of, "I don't like the color 1898 01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:00,960 of your hair. Your fire pit's too big. 1899 01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:04,560 Now I'm giving you a ticket." Right. So, 1900 01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:05,840 we'll dive over into the word 1901 01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:08,560 negligence, which is usually something 1902 01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:10,560 that a judge would arrive at in a court 1903 01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:13,040 proceeding after measuring whether there 1904 01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:14,639 was a deviation from the reasonable 1905 01:50:14,639 --> 01:50:16,960 standard, right? Which is defined as 1906 01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:19,760 what would a normal rational person do? 1907 01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:21,920 Um, currently the reasonable standard is 1908 01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:24,159 defined in the bylaw and it's pretty 1909 01:50:24,159 --> 01:50:27,199 rigid, but if you go to your definition 1910 01:50:27,199 --> 01:50:32,639 section for this new draft bylaw, so 2B7 1911 01:50:32,639 --> 01:50:36,080 and 2 C7, 1912 01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:38,080 there is also another definition or 1913 01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:41,440 another test for reasonable when a 1914 01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:43,040 professional is being involved. So 1915 01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:46,239 specific to the to the example of abuse 1916 01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:48,239 of power in issuing tickets for 1917 01:50:48,239 --> 01:50:50,960 oversized fireplaces or fire pits or 1918 01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:52,480 fireplaces because they're both covered 1919 01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:56,800 under that. Um we we lay out in all of 1920 01:50:56,800 --> 01:51:00,239 section 2B 1 through six what we would 1921 01:51:00,239 --> 01:51:02,560 consider a reasonable standard that is 1922 01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:04,880 used widely across the province for 1923 01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:07,280 characteristics of how to safely place a 1924 01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:10,960 fire pit. However, the the folks who 1925 01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:13,920 you've inoned would have variations of 1926 01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:17,040 that. Um, we kind of catch that in 1927 01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:19,600 subsection 7 where we use the language 1928 01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:21,920 as may otherwise be determined by the 1929 01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:24,400 fire chief having regard to health, 1930 01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:26,400 safety, hazards, and risks. Now, the 1931 01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:28,639 fire chief would be meeting under a 1932 01:51:28,639 --> 01:51:30,320 different test if somebody felt they 1933 01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:32,800 were being unfairly treated for the size 1934 01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:34,239 of their fire pit because of the fire 1935 01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:36,560 chief's determination. The professional 1936 01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:38,719 test would be um someone having 1937 01:51:38,719 --> 01:51:40,960 specialized skills and relying upon 1938 01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:43,679 those skills to make a determination. So 1939 01:51:43,679 --> 01:51:45,520 in the case of something having a three 1940 01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:47,280 and a half or four foot crusher cone in 1941 01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:50,480 their backyard and they were feeling a 1942 01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:51,840 little adamant that they shouldn't have 1943 01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:54,639 to conform, the language exists in this 1944 01:51:54,639 --> 01:51:56,480 new bylaw for the fire chief to give 1945 01:51:56,480 --> 01:51:58,880 them that variation, but it allows the 1946 01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:00,960 fire chief to exercise his professional 1947 01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:03,599 skills in determining that the fireplace 1948 01:52:03,599 --> 01:52:06,159 or fire pit either or is cited 1949 01:52:06,159 --> 01:52:07,920 correctly. that being away from 1950 01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:10,800 combustibles, uh, being away from wires, 1951 01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:12,639 being a certain distance from buildings 1952 01:52:12,639 --> 01:52:16,000 and so forth. So, it's not as though in 1953 01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:18,719 putting this into place, administration 1954 01:52:18,719 --> 01:52:21,199 suddenly is granted the authority to 1955 01:52:21,199 --> 01:52:23,440 unfairly exercise its power and issue 1956 01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:25,599 tickets. Typically, these definitions 1957 01:52:25,599 --> 01:52:27,280 would be used at the back end of an 1958 01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:29,679 incident when something has happened and 1959 01:52:29,679 --> 01:52:31,760 then the court would look to our bylaw 1960 01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:33,760 to see if we had a reasonable standard 1961 01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:37,760 defined. We need to have one of those in 1962 01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:39,920 bar none. Whatever it winds up being, we 1963 01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:42,080 need to have something. The the default 1964 01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:43,760 position for administration to do this 1965 01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:45,840 in a way that we think is I would say 1966 01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:47,440 industry standard is to follow the 1967 01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:49,199 provincial guidelines that are 1968 01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:50,400 established in the forest protection 1969 01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:53,520 area there. Um but also jumping forward 1970 01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:56,400 to enforcement which you know can be 1971 01:52:56,400 --> 01:52:57,920 applied to the conversation and comments 1972 01:52:57,920 --> 01:52:59,840 around fire pits, fireplaces and it can 1973 01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:02,080 be applied to the conversation around 1974 01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:05,360 fireworks permits. Um, unless council 1975 01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:08,320 expressly tells us to proactively go out 1976 01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:11,599 and begin investigating fire pit sizes 1977 01:53:11,599 --> 01:53:14,000 or asking people if they have fireworks 1978 01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:15,199 on their property and if they have a 1979 01:53:15,199 --> 01:53:17,280 permit, I don't believe administration's 1980 01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:19,520 intention would be to go out and begin 1981 01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:22,159 policing that immediately. It's more of 1982 01:53:22,159 --> 01:53:24,159 a case of when there's a complaint, we 1983 01:53:24,159 --> 01:53:27,119 would come out and check. The passing of 1984 01:53:27,119 --> 01:53:29,760 this bylaw with these sizes defined 1985 01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:33,040 creates um a a bit of a good touch point 1986 01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:34,719 actually between the public and the fire 1987 01:53:34,719 --> 01:53:36,880 services where if somebody's not sure 1988 01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:39,119 now where does my fireplace or fire pit 1989 01:53:39,119 --> 01:53:41,440 sit, can the chief send someone out with 1990 01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:43,599 those same professional skills to come 1991 01:53:43,599 --> 01:53:45,199 out and look at this thing and tell me 1992 01:53:45,199 --> 01:53:48,320 if I'm missing any hazards in how I've 1993 01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:50,639 identified where I should put it so that 1994 01:53:50,639 --> 01:53:53,520 they can still have it. But it would be 1995 01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,719 great if we on the admin side would send 1996 01:53:56,719 --> 01:53:58,080 someone out from fire services with 1997 01:53:58,080 --> 01:53:59,679 those professional skills to just take a 1998 01:53:59,679 --> 01:54:03,760 look and make sure that they're safe. So 1999 01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:05,440 it doesn't automatically trigger 2000 01:54:05,440 --> 01:54:07,599 penalties for them based on the size of 2001 01:54:07,599 --> 01:54:09,920 it. There is a means by which we could 2002 01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:11,599 issue that variance that Deputy Chief 2003 01:54:11,599 --> 01:54:14,719 Stewart was talking about. And all of 2004 01:54:14,719 --> 01:54:17,280 that sort of creates that that legal 2005 01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:19,040 balance that we would need in the event 2006 01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:21,280 that there is a fire. it gets out of 2007 01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:24,320 control and negligence is the thing that 2008 01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:26,159 we're looking to have determined so that 2009 01:54:26,159 --> 01:54:28,000 we can appropriately recover costs from 2010 01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:30,239 someone who was negligent or we can 2011 01:54:30,239 --> 01:54:31,440 determine no they weren't being 2012 01:54:31,440 --> 01:54:33,679 negligent, it was um circumstances 2013 01:54:33,679 --> 01:54:35,199 beyond their control or it was not their 2014 01:54:35,199 --> 01:54:37,679 fault. And I guess the same would apply 2015 01:54:37,679 --> 01:54:41,040 to fireworks permits. I I don't believe 2016 01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:42,239 that we're going to be sending peace 2017 01:54:42,239 --> 01:54:43,840 officers out at night trying to figure 2018 01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:46,000 out where the flashbang went off and 2019 01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:47,440 then chasing the ark back down to the 2020 01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:48,800 quarter section and checking for a 2021 01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:52,320 permit. But it does create 2022 01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:54,880 an opportunity for people to reflect on 2023 01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:56,560 their practice and whether they are 2024 01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:58,639 being safe unto themselves and in 2025 01:54:58,639 --> 01:55:00,480 consideration of their neighbors if 2026 01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:03,360 that's of of any help to council. 2027 01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:04,320 >> Thank you. 2028 01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:05,920 for that information. CEO 2029 01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:09,119 Simpson. Councelor, go ahead. 2030 01:55:09,119 --> 01:55:12,719 >> Yes. And thanks thanks for all that CO 2031 01:55:12,719 --> 01:55:14,880 Simpson. Um, 2032 01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:17,599 I guess I have one more 2033 01:55:17,599 --> 01:55:22,159 question on it and and I just feel that 2034 01:55:22,159 --> 01:55:25,040 now is the time for us to ask the 2035 01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:29,040 questions and and try and and get get 2036 01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:33,040 the answers for this. What about uh 2037 01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:35,280 insurance 2038 01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:38,800 around stuff like that if we if we know 2039 01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:43,199 that they're out there? Um, and whether 2040 01:55:43,199 --> 01:55:45,599 uh a fire gets away from somebody and 2041 01:55:45,599 --> 01:55:48,400 it's not negligent, it's just from 2042 01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:52,639 unseen circumstances. If it was in a in 2043 01:55:52,639 --> 01:55:57,280 a 3-FFT fire pit and that happened 2044 01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:02,070 and they burnt their house down. 2045 01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:05,520 Now, if it was in a 3 and 1/2t fire pit 2046 01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:07,599 and it burned their house down, same 2047 01:56:07,599 --> 01:56:09,760 circumstances. Is the insurance company 2048 01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:13,119 going to going to go, "Oh, but you guys 2049 01:56:13,119 --> 01:56:16,800 had an illegal fire pit." 2050 01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:18,639 >> Do you have any further comments, 2051 01:56:18,639 --> 01:56:20,320 Council? 2052 01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:22,159 >> Yeah. No. Excellent. I'm going to defer 2053 01:56:22,159 --> 01:56:23,920 to CEO Simpson. Go ahead, please. 2054 01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:25,520 >> Uh, I guess I'll give you the lawyer's 2055 01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:28,400 answer. It depends. Um, and an insurance 2056 01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:31,119 company would probably perform a robust 2057 01:56:31,119 --> 01:56:32,880 investigation, which would encompass 2058 01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:36,239 several factors. One of which may be was 2059 01:56:36,239 --> 01:56:38,320 their fire pit in regulation size or did 2060 01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:39,679 they have a variant according to the 2061 01:56:39,679 --> 01:56:41,440 bylaw that we have. They would look at 2062 01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:43,280 that, but they would also look at other 2063 01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:46,480 things. Um, were you intoxicated? Uh, 2064 01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:48,239 what was the weather conditions? Was 2065 01:56:48,239 --> 01:56:51,520 there a burn advisory or a fire ban in 2066 01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:53,760 effect at the time? Uh, it would be a 2067 01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:55,199 number of things and it would also 2068 01:56:55,199 --> 01:56:56,800 depend on the type of coverage they 2069 01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:58,880 purchased as well. 2070 01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:04,239 So if they had a no fault insurance as I believe was mentioned um then you 2071 01:57:04,239 --> 01:57:05,679 know insurance may not be happy and they 2072 01:57:05,679 --> 01:57:07,520 may pay the claim. But if there were 2073 01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:09,679 certain caveats on that insurance policy 2074 01:57:09,679 --> 01:57:12,639 that you know you had to be exercising 2075 01:57:12,639 --> 01:57:16,480 due care and you know you had to follow 2076 01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:17,679 all the rules of the county or the 2077 01:57:17,679 --> 01:57:19,840 municipality just as an example then 2078 01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:21,599 they may have a way out of paying that 2079 01:57:21,599 --> 01:57:25,119 claim. So, it would be hard to say that 2080 01:57:25,119 --> 01:57:27,280 the size of the fire pit alone would 2081 01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:28,880 determine whether they would be covered 2082 01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:31,679 under their own policy uh or not because 2083 01:57:31,679 --> 01:57:33,119 there's a lot of other factors that 2084 01:57:33,119 --> 01:57:35,440 would have to be considered. 2085 01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:37,520 >> Thank you again, CEO Simpson. Deputy 2086 01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:38,639 Chief Stewart, 2087 01:57:38,639 --> 01:57:41,199 >> thank you Reef. And just to dovtail on 2088 01:57:41,199 --> 01:57:42,880 CEO Simpson's comments, I have a lot of 2089 01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:44,800 experience in whether insurance 2090 01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:47,280 companies will cover a fire loss or not. 2091 01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:49,119 So, just to describe to council, we have 2092 01:57:49,119 --> 01:57:52,800 a a a a property loss or injury causing 2093 01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:54,480 fire in Clearwater County. Let's say a 2094 01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:56,880 home burns down. The initial authority 2095 01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:58,480 for the investigation actually lands 2096 01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:00,159 with us as Clearwater Regional Fire in 2097 01:58:00,159 --> 01:58:02,080 Clearwater County. Uh because we're 2098 01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:03,760 accredited under the Safety Codes Act 2099 01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:05,520 for the fire discipline for inspections 2100 01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:08,960 and investigations. So, our duty officer 2101 01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:11,280 that is on shift, uh we're all safety 2102 01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:13,440 codes officers. uh the majority of us 2103 01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:16,159 are qualified C1 or C2 investigators 2104 01:58:16,159 --> 01:58:18,239 under the provincial safety codes act. 2105 01:58:18,239 --> 01:58:20,480 We have a responsibility within 30 days 2106 01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:22,960 to tell the province where the area of 2107 01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:24,560 origin was and what the probable cause 2108 01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:27,119 was. If there's a death or an injury, we 2109 01:58:27,119 --> 01:58:28,880 have to notify the office of the high 2110 01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:30,960 fire commissioner immediately. if it's 2111 01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:32,400 suspicious in any way or we're 2112 01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:34,480 suspecting arson or foul play play that 2113 01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:36,560 we have to refer that to the RCMP as a 2114 01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:38,320 potential crime where then they would 2115 01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:40,639 issue a warrant for us to continue the 2116 01:58:40,639 --> 01:58:42,239 investigation on their behalf as a 2117 01:58:42,239 --> 01:58:44,239 subject matter expert or we would engage 2118 01:58:44,239 --> 01:58:46,000 a third party as Clearwater County to 2119 01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:48,000 come in and do the investigation for us 2120 01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:51,599 to determine origin and cause and then 2121 01:58:51,599 --> 01:58:53,440 what happens after we're done that 2122 01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:56,400 investigation sometimes concurrently is 2123 01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:58,480 that landowner has engaged their their 2124 01:58:58,480 --> 01:58:59,920 insurance company and says they've had a 2125 01:58:59,920 --> 01:59:00,719 loss 2126 01:59:00,719 --> 01:59:02,480 uh that insurance company will send an 2127 01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:05,360 adjuster and usually an investigating uh 2128 01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:06,880 an investigator out, usually a third 2129 01:59:06,880 --> 01:59:08,159 party investigating company. There's 2130 01:59:08,159 --> 01:59:10,400 many across the province. Uh they will 2131 01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:12,159 send a a fire and origin cause 2132 01:59:12,159 --> 01:59:13,760 investigator out to that fire and they 2133 01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:15,840 will do a parallel or subsequent 2134 01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:17,360 investigation on their own purely from 2135 01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:19,599 an insurance perspective. 2136 01:59:19,599 --> 01:59:24,080 Most times, unless there's proven malice 2137 01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:27,520 uh or proven fraudulent circumstances, 2138 01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:29,520 accidental fires are covered under 2139 01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:32,560 insurance. Um, for example, many fires 2140 01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:35,280 that I've been to is somebody 2141 01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:38,719 um puts a cigarette butt out in their 2142 01:59:38,719 --> 01:59:42,000 recycling bin that's in their garage. 2143 01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:45,440 They are they are the cause of the fire, 2144 01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:47,679 right? It was unsafe fire behavior. it 2145 01:59:47,679 --> 01:59:50,880 was all kinds of things, right? Uh their 2146 01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:53,280 insurance company covers them for that. 2147 01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:56,639 Accidental fires are are almost always 2148 01:59:56,639 --> 01:59:58,480 covered under insurance policies in 2149 01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:01,119 their in their liability process until 2150 02:00:01,119 --> 02:00:04,400 some type of malice intent or uh 2151 02:00:04,400 --> 02:00:06,719 fraudulent circumstance is suspected or 2152 02:00:06,719 --> 02:00:08,400 uncovered. That's when insurance 2153 02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:10,000 companies start withdrawing their 2154 02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:12,400 coverage unless it's clearly defined in 2155 02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:14,159 their in their policy that they wouldn't 2156 02:00:14,159 --> 02:00:16,239 be covered for something specifically. 2157 02:00:16,239 --> 02:00:18,960 Most accidental fires are covered 2158 02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:20,480 regardless of how silly the 2159 02:00:20,480 --> 02:00:23,280 circumstance. Um, a lot of people fear 2160 02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:24,239 that that they're not going to be 2161 02:00:24,239 --> 02:00:25,840 covered, but accidental fires are 2162 02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:27,440 covered. A candle, for example, you 2163 02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:29,760 leave a candle burning in your home, uh, 2164 02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:31,360 up against a window curtain and you 2165 02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:33,199 leave and you forget to blow it out and 2166 02:00:33,199 --> 02:00:36,000 you drive away and 8 hours later that 2167 02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:37,760 candle burns your entire house down. And 2168 02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:39,599 we prove that that was the cause. You 2169 02:00:39,599 --> 02:00:41,679 are liable for that fire. You were the 2170 02:00:41,679 --> 02:00:43,520 cause. Your insurance company will cover 2171 02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:45,920 you for that. it's an accidental fire. 2172 02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:47,840 So, it really depends on whether they 2173 02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:50,159 can they can prove and determine if you 2174 02:00:50,159 --> 02:00:52,480 did it for some intention of of 2175 02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:54,400 fraudulent circumstances or to obscure 2176 02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:56,080 some other crime or a crime was 2177 02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:59,040 committed in the conduct of that. So, 2178 02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:01,280 fire I I have never seen an insurance 2179 02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:04,480 company today look at municipal bylaw on 2180 02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:07,280 whether someone is covered or not based 2181 02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:10,800 on uh fire insurance. I have not seen 2182 02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:12,560 that. 2183 02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:14,159 Thank you, Deputy Chief. 2184 02:01:14,159 --> 02:01:14,800 >> Okay, councelor 2185 02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:15,840 >> I'm Go ahead. 2186 02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:21,119 >> Thank you. Uh, okay. Because that was a concern that I had was it 2187 02:01:21,119 --> 02:01:24,239 because we don't have a bylaw against 2188 02:01:24,239 --> 02:01:27,280 having a candle in your window 2189 02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:29,599 next to your curtains. I would hope we 2190 02:01:29,599 --> 02:01:32,000 never get to that never get to that 2191 02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:35,119 point, but me too. But apparently, but 2192 02:01:35,119 --> 02:01:37,440 we do have 2193 02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:40,480 around fire pit size and that's why it 2194 02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:43,119 just 2195 02:01:43,119 --> 02:01:45,760 >> seemed like we wanted to fix it. Maybe 2196 02:01:45,760 --> 02:01:50,960 it's not an issue. Maybe it's just 2197 02:01:50,960 --> 02:01:52,560 me thinking that it's 2198 02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:55,599 >> and and I I I 2199 02:01:55,599 --> 02:01:58,080 hear the spirit of of council and great 2200 02:01:58,080 --> 02:01:59,679 conversations. 2201 02:01:59,679 --> 02:02:01,679 fire and uh fire rescue services, 2202 02:02:01,679 --> 02:02:03,440 emergency services definitely does not 2203 02:02:03,440 --> 02:02:04,960 want to make council uncomfortable with 2204 02:02:04,960 --> 02:02:07,599 this. This is an important bylaw for us. 2205 02:02:07,599 --> 02:02:10,480 Um it is uh very important that we get 2206 02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:12,800 this right and it's very important in in 2207 02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:15,360 my opinion that uh council is 2208 02:02:15,360 --> 02:02:18,080 comfortable with uh with at least how 2209 02:02:18,080 --> 02:02:19,440 it's worded and how it's going to be 2210 02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:22,000 applied. Um 2211 02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:24,080 I I want to reiterate that I believe 2212 02:02:24,080 --> 02:02:27,280 that uh this bylaw is again the 2213 02:02:27,280 --> 02:02:30,080 intention is to set a minimum standard. 2214 02:02:30,080 --> 02:02:32,480 It is to make sure that we are 2215 02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:34,880 decreasing the red tea for Clearwater 2216 02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:37,840 County residents as much as possible in 2217 02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:39,440 the spirit of making sure that there's 2218 02:02:39,440 --> 02:02:42,480 one standard set of rules for everybody 2219 02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:44,159 uh that is common across the board. 2220 02:02:44,159 --> 02:02:45,440 understanding that the majority of 2221 02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:47,360 Clearwater County's population, I'm not 2222 02:02:47,360 --> 02:02:49,360 sure if it's 90% but it's probably 2223 02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:51,920 close, lives outside the FPA, we do have 2224 02:02:51,920 --> 02:02:54,000 large portions of our our population 2225 02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:57,440 that live in Frier Frier acres uh around 2226 02:02:57,440 --> 02:02:59,679 Crimson Lake, Twin Lakes, the Brower 2227 02:02:59,679 --> 02:03:03,040 subdivision for an example, Everddell, 2228 02:03:03,040 --> 02:03:06,400 uh Meadow Ponds, um Diamond Valley, 2229 02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:09,679 Recinus, um west of Caroline, south of 2230 02:03:09,679 --> 02:03:11,440 Caroline that is in the forest 2231 02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:14,639 protection area. um the Beaverrun 2232 02:03:14,639 --> 02:03:16,560 subdivision just north of the Summer 2233 02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:18,480 Village at Bernstick Lake. We have 2234 02:03:18,480 --> 02:03:20,239 significant amounts of people that live 2235 02:03:20,239 --> 02:03:21,760 inside the forest protection area in 2236 02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:25,679 Clearwater County. Uh for sure. Um is 2237 02:03:25,679 --> 02:03:29,760 there more outside? Yes, there is. Um 2238 02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:33,760 however, fires fires do not stop at the 2239 02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:35,920 imaginary line on the map. They really 2240 02:03:35,920 --> 02:03:38,320 don't. And many of the problems we have 2241 02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:40,080 are immediately on that forest 2242 02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:42,320 protectionary boundary or near it. 2243 02:03:42,320 --> 02:03:44,080 simply because that boundary was put 2244 02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:46,080 into place following where those hazards 2245 02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:49,520 and those risks are. Um, generally 2246 02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:52,159 speaking, uh, so we have the interface 2247 02:03:52,159 --> 02:03:54,719 of the heavier timbers to the to our 2248 02:03:54,719 --> 02:03:56,800 agricultural lands traditionally with 2249 02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:59,119 some exceptions to that across the line 2250 02:03:59,119 --> 02:04:01,520 for sure. There are tracks of forest in 2251 02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:03,280 the non-FFPA and there is tracks of 2252 02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:05,119 agricultural land in the FBA, but 2253 02:04:05,119 --> 02:04:06,560 generally speaking, it followed that 2254 02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:09,840 line for a reason. And I I do also want 2255 02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:11,599 to reer that there is no cost for any of 2256 02:04:11,599 --> 02:04:13,760 these permits. Like we're not we're not 2257 02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:17,599 trying to create a a a 2258 02:04:17,599 --> 02:04:20,080 cost recovery system or a cash cow for 2259 02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:22,320 Clearwater County. Whether it's a fire 2260 02:04:22,320 --> 02:04:24,000 permit or a fireworks permit, they are 2261 02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:26,480 at no cost. Uh that is the way the bylaw 2262 02:04:26,480 --> 02:04:28,320 is written. It wouldn't cost the 2263 02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:30,719 resident or a visitor anything to to get 2264 02:04:30,719 --> 02:04:34,000 one of these permits. um that 2265 02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:35,599 administrative burden is on fire 2266 02:04:35,599 --> 02:04:38,320 services u on on administering the 2267 02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:43,040 permitting system. Um and and really um 2268 02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:45,119 it's it's about setting a minimum 2269 02:04:45,119 --> 02:04:47,199 standard so that we can maintain safety 2270 02:04:47,199 --> 02:04:49,920 of the public as best as possible. Uh at 2271 02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:52,400 the same time balancing uh risk to 2272 02:04:52,400 --> 02:04:55,280 council uh legal risk to council and to 2273 02:04:55,280 --> 02:04:58,320 Clearwater County. uh at the same time 2274 02:04:58,320 --> 02:05:01,280 uh not creating red tape but making sure 2275 02:05:01,280 --> 02:05:02,719 that we have a standard set of rules 2276 02:05:02,719 --> 02:05:05,119 that's easier for our residents and our 2277 02:05:05,119 --> 02:05:08,000 visitors to understand because that 2278 02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:09,840 alone creates a lot of administrative 2279 02:05:09,840 --> 02:05:12,639 burden for regional fire and uh Alberta 2280 02:05:12,639 --> 02:05:14,880 wildfire today is simply explaining the 2281 02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:16,719 differences and where that boundary is 2282 02:05:16,719 --> 02:05:18,320 and whether they need a permit or not 2283 02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:21,280 and and it's it is quite quite a 2284 02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:23,360 consuming process today because we have 2285 02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:25,040 two different sets of standards for what 2286 02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:27,520 everybody considers Clearwater county. A 2287 02:05:27,520 --> 02:05:29,280 lot of residents and visitors actually 2288 02:05:29,280 --> 02:05:33,840 don't even understand the FBA exists or how it's applied. It's uh it's 2289 02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:35,679 something that we do a ton of education 2290 02:05:35,679 --> 02:05:37,840 on today. 2291 02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:39,040 >> Thank you for all that information. 2292 02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:42,159 Again, Deputy Chief Stewart. Um 2293 02:05:42,159 --> 02:05:43,520 Councelor Surac, go ahead. 2294 02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:46,480 >> Yes. I would like to make a motion that 2295 02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:49,760 council grants second reading to bylaw 2296 02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:52,639 26/103 2297 02:05:52,639 --> 02:05:56,560 and by law 2019 2298 02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:59,910 007. 2299 02:05:59,920 --> 02:06:06,070 Okay. So that'll be bylaw 26102. 2300 02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:07,440 Okay. So we have a motion on the floor 2301 02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:09,840 from councelor Serach that council grant 2302 02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:14,229 second reading to bylaw 26102. 2303 02:06:14,239 --> 02:06:15,520 That is motion on the floor from 2304 02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:18,960 councelor Humphrey. Councelor Powell, 2305 02:06:18,960 --> 02:06:24,000 you have no comments. Okay, 2306 02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:25,920 seeing no further discussion. Are there 2307 02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:27,280 any council members that have any 2308 02:06:27,280 --> 02:06:29,199 comments, questions? 2309 02:06:29,199 --> 02:06:31,360 Seeing none, I'll call the question. All 2310 02:06:31,360 --> 02:06:34,159 those in favor 2311 02:06:34,159 --> 02:06:36,320 and those opposed. 2312 02:06:36,320 --> 02:06:42,149 And that motion is supported by council. 2313 02:06:42,159 --> 02:06:44,480 We'd be looking for a motion for consent 2314 02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:47,199 for third reading. Before that, 2315 02:06:47,199 --> 02:06:48,880 councelor Pal, go ahead. 2316 02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:50,159 >> Just it was just a comment on the 2317 02:06:50,159 --> 02:06:51,840 population. When you look at the map and 2318 02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:54,159 when we're talking about this um area 2319 02:06:54,159 --> 02:06:56,960 that needs to change to all align as 2320 02:06:56,960 --> 02:06:59,760 one, it actually if you look like ward 2321 02:06:59,760 --> 02:07:02,560 one, ward five, ward four and ward six, 2322 02:07:02,560 --> 02:07:04,400 the majority of those wards are actually 2323 02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:07,520 in the um forest protection area. And if 2324 02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:10,079 we go by wards, the amount of population 2325 02:07:10,079 --> 02:07:12,239 is actually divided fairly evenly in our 2326 02:07:12,239 --> 02:07:14,000 wards. So it actually is quite a high 2327 02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:17,040 population out there. It actually in is 2328 02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:20,239 only 2, three, and seven that sit on the 2329 02:07:20,239 --> 02:07:21,760 other side. The majority of the other 2330 02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:23,360 four wards are in the forest protected 2331 02:07:23,360 --> 02:07:25,840 area. So we actually do have quite a 2332 02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:27,920 substantial amount of population. It 2333 02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:30,639 isn't 90%. Um I would have to disagree 2334 02:07:30,639 --> 02:07:32,639 with that. It is a significant chunk of 2335 02:07:32,639 --> 02:07:34,159 Clearwater County residents that are in 2336 02:07:34,159 --> 02:07:37,119 the forest protected area. 2337 02:07:37,119 --> 02:07:39,280 Thank you, councelor Powell. I'm just 2338 02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:41,679 going to look for I'm going to defer to 2339 02:07:41,679 --> 02:07:45,520 Miss Hate. Uh permission or is unanimous 2340 02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:47,360 consent required to proceed to third 2341 02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:48,560 reading at this time? 2342 02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:51,280 >> Unanimous consent is is required. 2343 02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:52,800 >> Okay, thank you for that clarification. 2344 02:07:52,800 --> 02:07:54,639 Deputy Ree, go ahead. 2345 02:07:54,639 --> 02:07:57,599 >> Thanks. Just I guess to follow up on uh 2346 02:07:57,599 --> 02:08:01,119 an excellent point by councelor 2347 02:08:01,119 --> 02:08:04,880 Powell there. Do we have a statistics on 2348 02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:06,719 the population that is in the FPA and 2349 02:08:06,719 --> 02:08:07,920 the population that isn't within 2350 02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:10,480 Clearwater County? 2351 02:08:10,480 --> 02:08:12,400 >> Deputy Chief, go ahead. 2352 02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:14,639 >> I I do not, Deputy Reef. I am not aware 2353 02:08:14,639 --> 02:08:18,719 of of uh that of survey that Clearwater 2354 02:08:18,719 --> 02:08:21,280 Regional Fire Rescue Services has. I can 2355 02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:23,840 I could show council a heat map of our 2356 02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:26,400 emergency responses on where we get 2357 02:08:26,400 --> 02:08:29,599 generally dispatched to emergencies. Um 2358 02:08:29,599 --> 02:08:32,880 I can say that um I I I have no idea 2359 02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:34,560 what the separation is. There is a 2360 02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:36,159 significant portion simply because when 2361 02:08:36,159 --> 02:08:38,239 we talk about for us as a regional fire 2362 02:08:38,239 --> 02:08:41,599 service 7,000ish in the town of Rocky 2363 02:08:41,599 --> 02:08:44,159 Mountainhouse, Lesieville, Condor, 2364 02:08:44,159 --> 02:08:47,679 Alhhamra, Withro, uh Caroline, uh some 2365 02:08:47,679 --> 02:08:50,560 of the subdivisions um in the eastern 2366 02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:52,079 portion of Clearwater County as we 2367 02:08:52,079 --> 02:08:53,920 commonly refer it to the nonFP area. 2368 02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:55,360 There is a lot of people that live in 2369 02:08:55,360 --> 02:08:57,760 that chunk of land. But I do agree with 2370 02:08:57,760 --> 02:08:59,520 councelor Powell that we have a 2371 02:08:59,520 --> 02:09:01,280 significant portion of Clearwater County 2372 02:09:01,280 --> 02:09:04,480 that is inside the FBA. Uh we have a lot 2373 02:09:04,480 --> 02:09:07,040 of our visitors. That's another piece. 2374 02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:09,040 When people visit Clearwater County, 2375 02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:10,639 they're generally not visiting the 2376 02:09:10,639 --> 02:09:12,800 non-FBA portion of Clearwater County. So 2377 02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:15,840 any long weekend in the summer, uh when 2378 02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:19,520 we get 10 20,000 visitors to the county, 2379 02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:22,000 they're generally in that brown non-FBA 2380 02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:24,880 area. Uh so fire permits and fireworks 2381 02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:28,719 permits and that risk shifts to there. 2382 02:09:28,719 --> 02:09:30,800 Uh so it's not only for our residents, 2383 02:09:30,800 --> 02:09:34,400 it's also for um the visitors. 2384 02:09:34,400 --> 02:09:36,320 Significant visitation that we have to 2385 02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:40,320 this area for recreation is large. Um 2386 02:09:40,320 --> 02:09:43,360 our our response uh extends into that 2387 02:09:43,360 --> 02:09:45,920 non-FFPA for emergency situations quite 2388 02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:47,920 a bit. That Highway 11 corridor all the 2389 02:09:47,920 --> 02:09:50,239 way out to Abraham Lake. Uh we were out 2390 02:09:50,239 --> 02:09:54,159 there yesterday for a RV on fire uh near 2391 02:09:54,159 --> 02:09:56,800 the Big Horn. It's we're everywhere for 2392 02:09:56,800 --> 02:09:59,760 sure. Um 2393 02:09:59,760 --> 02:10:02,239 but I don't have stats specifically on 2394 02:10:02,239 --> 02:10:03,520 that separation. 2395 02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:05,199 >> Thank you, Deputy Chief. And again, I 2396 02:10:05,199 --> 02:10:06,800 just I want to make it quite clear that 2397 02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:10,480 I 100% support 2398 02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:15,440 the the FPA regulations within that area 2399 02:10:15,440 --> 02:10:18,400 and I really understand your intention. 2400 02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:26,000 It's just the question is it right to apply those same 2401 02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:27,599 regulations 2402 02:10:27,599 --> 02:10:31,199 to this portion of the county right 2403 02:10:31,199 --> 02:10:33,360 because they are 2404 02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:36,719 rather strict. So is that what's best 2405 02:10:36,719 --> 02:10:39,599 for the residents is what we have to 2406 02:10:39,599 --> 02:10:41,760 weigh here. 2407 02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:44,159 Deputy Reeve understood. I I believe 2408 02:10:44,159 --> 02:10:46,880 from my professional opinion that this 2409 02:10:46,880 --> 02:10:50,320 bylaw uh would meet that intent that it 2410 02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:53,360 is from a safety perspective a clarity 2411 02:10:53,360 --> 02:10:55,040 of expectations for all of our 2412 02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:56,960 residents. I believe that the way this 2413 02:10:56,960 --> 02:10:59,360 bylaw is written uh is in the best 2414 02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:02,400 interest of our residents um and uh and 2415 02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:04,719 their safety specifically. I I do 2416 02:11:04,719 --> 02:11:07,360 believe that. 2417 02:11:07,360 --> 02:11:09,599 >> Thank you for that for deputy chief. So, 2418 02:11:09,599 --> 02:11:11,440 this bylaw would also create more 2419 02:11:11,440 --> 02:11:13,840 flexibility if from everything that I've 2420 02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:16,159 heard that uh residents could actually 2421 02:11:16,159 --> 02:11:20,880 get a permit to legally have fireworks 2422 02:11:20,880 --> 02:11:23,840 or discharge fireworks. With this said, 2423 02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:27,280 uh if unanimous consent, I'm quite 2424 02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:31,280 evident it's it's there's a a divide on 2425 02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:33,199 council on this item. So, I'm I'm quite 2426 02:11:33,199 --> 02:11:35,920 uh there would be a a motion required 2427 02:11:35,920 --> 02:11:37,920 for unanimous consent. I don't know if 2428 02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:39,920 that motion will pass from the first and 2429 02:11:39,920 --> 02:11:42,560 second readings that have taken place 2430 02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:44,239 already at this point in time. Third 2431 02:11:44,239 --> 02:11:46,560 reading would just come it would uh 2432 02:11:46,560 --> 02:11:48,079 third reading will be at a future 2433 02:11:48,079 --> 02:11:49,920 council meeting and would allow council 2434 02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:51,599 to have more time for cons to consider 2435 02:11:51,599 --> 02:11:55,119 this bylaw. Is that correct? Okay. So, 2436 02:11:55,119 --> 02:11:58,159 we'd be looking for a motion for um 2437 02:11:58,159 --> 02:12:04,470 unanimous consent. 2438 02:12:04,480 --> 02:12:07,280 Um, 2439 02:12:07,280 --> 02:12:09,760 I'll make the motion I'll move that uh 2440 02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:12,320 council grant unanimous consent to 2441 02:12:12,320 --> 02:12:15,199 proceed to third reading to bylaw number 2442 02:12:15,199 --> 02:12:19,109 26102. 2443 02:12:19,119 --> 02:12:21,119 So, as there is a divide amongst 2444 02:12:21,119 --> 02:12:22,159 council, I won't be supporting the 2445 02:12:22,159 --> 02:12:23,520 motion. I would like to have more time 2446 02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:25,760 for council's consideration on this 2447 02:12:25,760 --> 02:12:28,239 agenda item. So, if there's no 2448 02:12:28,239 --> 02:12:29,760 discussion on that right now, the motion 2449 02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:32,079 for is for unanimous consent to proceed 2450 02:12:32,079 --> 02:12:34,880 to third reading. 2451 02:12:34,880 --> 02:12:37,520 Does anybody need any clarity? Seeing 2452 02:12:37,520 --> 02:12:39,760 none, 2453 02:12:39,760 --> 02:12:41,280 I'll call the question. All those in 2454 02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:44,870 favor 2455 02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:47,760 and those opposed. 2456 02:12:47,760 --> 02:12:50,480 And that motion is defeated. 2457 02:12:50,480 --> 02:12:52,480 This uh bylaw will be at a future 2458 02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:53,760 regular council meeting for council 2459 02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:56,079 consideration in the future. Thank you 2460 02:12:56,079 --> 02:12:57,520 again, Deputy Chief, for your time and 2461 02:12:57,520 --> 02:13:02,470 staff for all the information. 2462 02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:07,030 Moving on to item 4.3 2463 02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:08,960 in today's 2464 02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:10,639 Miss A. Go ahead, please. 2465 02:13:10,639 --> 02:13:14,560 >> See this that third reading for um for 2466 02:13:14,560 --> 02:13:18,560 the uh fire bylaw has been postponed to 2467 02:13:18,560 --> 02:13:20,880 a future council reading. This next 2468 02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:23,920 agenda item is not required at this 2469 02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:26,159 time. 2470 02:13:26,159 --> 02:13:27,760 So, 2471 02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:31,520 I would recommend that uh item 2472 02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:34,880 um what is it? 4.3 2473 02:13:34,880 --> 02:13:38,550 is postponed 2474 02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:40,560 to a future council meeting. 2475 02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:42,880 >> Thank you for that, Miss Hate. 2476 02:13:42,880 --> 02:13:45,440 Council member looking for discussion on 2477 02:13:45,440 --> 02:13:47,119 this item or councelor McCully. Okay. 2478 02:13:47,119 --> 02:13:48,719 Councilor McCauley makes a motion to 2479 02:13:48,719 --> 02:13:52,880 postpone today's uh item 4.3 bylaw 2480 02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:55,520 260103 2481 02:13:55,520 --> 02:13:57,280 revising the former village of Caroline 2482 02:13:57,280 --> 02:13:59,520 community standards bylaw to future 2483 02:13:59,520 --> 02:14:02,079 regular council meeting. 2484 02:14:02,079 --> 02:14:03,280 That is the motion on the floor. I'll 2485 02:14:03,280 --> 02:14:05,679 call the question. All those in favor? 2486 02:14:05,679 --> 02:14:07,040 That motion is supported by council. 2487 02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:11,199 Thank you, Miss Hate. Moving on to item 2488 02:14:11,199 --> 02:14:14,000 section five, new business. Item 5.1.1 2489 02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:18,149 budget adjustment fire capital code F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F F 2490 02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:18,159 FRS026 2491 02:14:18,159 --> 02:14:20,960 on page 89 and again pass it floor over 2492 02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:23,760 to Deputy Chief Stewart. 2493 02:14:23,760 --> 02:14:25,599 >> Thank you Raven Council. Uh it's great 2494 02:14:25,599 --> 02:14:28,480 to see you this morning again. Uh this 2495 02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:30,400 uh budget item in front of council today 2496 02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:32,000 or sorry this agenda item in front of 2497 02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:34,239 council today is related to a fire 2498 02:14:34,239 --> 02:14:36,639 capital uh purchase that was approved in 2499 02:14:36,639 --> 02:14:40,320 the uh 2025 budget deliberations by 2500 02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:42,960 council for replacement of unit 513 2501 02:14:42,960 --> 02:14:45,679 which is a engine in uh Clearwater 2502 02:14:45,679 --> 02:14:47,520 Regional Fire Rescue Services that is 2503 02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:50,320 due for replacement in 2028. 2504 02:14:50,320 --> 02:14:54,719 Um because of uh the time to spec and 2505 02:14:54,719 --> 02:14:57,599 build fire apparatus in today's economy, 2506 02:14:57,599 --> 02:14:59,920 uh there was a budget request for a 10% 2507 02:14:59,920 --> 02:15:02,159 deposit of this year for a 2-year build 2508 02:15:02,159 --> 02:15:04,719 time for this apparatus to be delivered 2509 02:15:04,719 --> 02:15:07,360 in 2028. 2510 02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:10,239 Um that budget was approved at a 10% 2511 02:15:10,239 --> 02:15:13,920 deposit in 2026 of 150,000. uh and at 2512 02:15:13,920 --> 02:15:15,760 the time of budget deliberations, it was 2513 02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:17,760 discussed with council that that then 2514 02:15:17,760 --> 02:15:19,760 essentially means an approval of a of 2515 02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:21,760 the remainder of the balance of that 2516 02:15:21,760 --> 02:15:24,719 cost in the uh delivery year of 2028, 2517 02:15:24,719 --> 02:15:28,000 which was an additional $1.35 million. 2518 02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:30,560 Um what I can say is that the reason uh 2519 02:15:30,560 --> 02:15:32,719 we're in front of council today is that 2520 02:15:32,719 --> 02:15:36,000 uh that $ 1.5 million ask is proven to 2521 02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:38,000 be shy of what we can purchase an 2522 02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:41,280 apparatus of this spec uh to replace 2523 02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:49,440 this truck. um by about 5%. So, uh the background information here uh given 2524 02:15:49,440 --> 02:15:52,639 to council uh specifically speaks to a 2525 02:15:52,639 --> 02:15:54,159 massive increase in not just fire 2526 02:15:54,159 --> 02:15:55,920 apparatus, but pretty much any mobile 2527 02:15:55,920 --> 02:15:58,960 equipment in uh cost and delivery times 2528 02:15:58,960 --> 02:16:00,719 across the board. Public works sees this 2529 02:16:00,719 --> 02:16:02,239 as well with a lot of fleet replacements 2530 02:16:02,239 --> 02:16:03,760 where they're taking longer and costing 2531 02:16:03,760 --> 02:16:05,360 quite a bit more than they did. However, 2532 02:16:05,360 --> 02:16:08,239 fire apparatus since uh the pandemic has 2533 02:16:08,239 --> 02:16:10,960 seen a hundreds of percent increase in 2534 02:16:10,960 --> 02:16:13,920 cost. So, an apparatus that uh would 2535 02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:17,599 have cost us $600,000 in 2019 is 2536 02:16:17,599 --> 02:16:20,880 generally around the $ 1.5 to $1.4 2537 02:16:20,880 --> 02:16:23,920 million range to replace. Now this 2538 02:16:23,920 --> 02:16:26,320 specific apparatus we did engage with uh 2539 02:16:26,320 --> 02:16:28,880 all of the uh prevetted vendors uh 2540 02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:31,840 within the RMA source well process uh 2541 02:16:31,840 --> 02:16:34,559 which is a uh process that allows us not 2542 02:16:34,559 --> 02:16:37,519 to go to RFP or go to tender but to 2543 02:16:37,519 --> 02:16:39,920 speak with prevetted uh fire apparatus 2544 02:16:39,920 --> 02:16:41,679 vendors and for council's information 2545 02:16:41,679 --> 02:16:43,200 there's really three large fire 2546 02:16:43,200 --> 02:16:45,120 apparatus conglomerates in Canada and 2547 02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:47,120 the United States that own the majority 2548 02:16:47,120 --> 02:16:49,280 of companies that build fire apparatus 2549 02:16:49,280 --> 02:16:51,920 so there is a difficulty there in in 2550 02:16:51,920 --> 02:16:53,760 hitting costs across the board. Those 2551 02:16:53,760 --> 02:16:55,679 three major vendors are listed under 2552 02:16:55,679 --> 02:16:57,359 Sourcewell. So, there's no 2553 02:16:57,359 --> 02:16:59,519 administrative reason why we would go to 2554 02:16:59,519 --> 02:17:01,439 RFP or tender for an apparatus like 2555 02:17:01,439 --> 02:17:04,080 this. Uh, but the request today is to 2556 02:17:04,080 --> 02:17:05,679 let uh council know that we went to 2557 02:17:05,679 --> 02:17:07,120 three vendors. We've got official 2558 02:17:07,120 --> 02:17:09,439 pricing from one and unofficial verbal 2559 02:17:09,439 --> 02:17:12,000 pricing from a second that $1.5 million 2560 02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:14,559 will not replace that apparatus today. 2561 02:17:14,559 --> 02:17:17,519 However, in the official pricing um from 2562 02:17:17,519 --> 02:17:20,240 one of the vendors uh that best meets 2563 02:17:20,240 --> 02:17:22,800 our our spec, there's a prepayment 2564 02:17:22,800 --> 02:17:25,519 option. So, the the request today in 2565 02:17:25,519 --> 02:17:28,719 front of council is that council uh uh 2566 02:17:28,719 --> 02:17:32,240 considers uh moving the $1.3 million 2567 02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:35,679 from fiscal year 2028 uh forward to 2568 02:17:35,679 --> 02:17:38,399 fiscal year 2026 where if we prepay for 2569 02:17:38,399 --> 02:17:41,040 the apparatus uh we actually save 2570 02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:43,920 $105,000 on the overall cost. So that 2571 02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:46,319 truck would come in under $1.5 million. 2572 02:17:46,319 --> 02:17:49,679 If we pay the deposit today and wait to 2573 02:17:49,679 --> 02:17:51,599 pay the remainder on delivery, that 2574 02:17:51,599 --> 02:17:54,639 apparatus will cost us roughly $79,000 2575 02:17:54,639 --> 02:17:58,639 more uh than what's budgeted currently. 2576 02:17:58,639 --> 02:18:00,639 So, two options for council would be to 2577 02:18:00,639 --> 02:18:03,519 approve an increase in in capital cost 2578 02:18:03,519 --> 02:18:07,280 uh for this year of $7,934 2579 02:18:07,280 --> 02:18:10,719 in 2026 to achieve the 10% deposit with 2580 02:18:10,719 --> 02:18:14,639 a remaining uh 92,000 in 2028. Uh that 2581 02:18:14,639 --> 02:18:16,719 was a round number of $100,000 to make 2582 02:18:16,719 --> 02:18:19,120 sure that we could cover off the cost of 2583 02:18:19,120 --> 02:18:22,960 the apparatus. um or move the 1.3 2584 02:18:22,960 --> 02:18:25,840 million forward to fiscal year 2026 and 2585 02:18:25,840 --> 02:18:29,760 save uh 1.5 or sorry 105,000 on the 2586 02:18:29,760 --> 02:18:32,880 overall cost of the apparatus. 2587 02:18:32,880 --> 02:18:35,120 And I'll leave the floor open for uh 2588 02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:37,359 questions uh from councel. 2589 02:18:37,359 --> 02:18:39,840 >> Thank you, deputy chief. Council 2590 02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:43,599 questions, comments, or motions at this 2591 02:18:43,599 --> 02:18:45,200 time? 2592 02:18:45,200 --> 02:18:46,719 >> Councelor Lewin, go ahead. 2593 02:18:46,719 --> 02:18:48,880 >> So this is the new firetruck replacing 2594 02:18:48,880 --> 02:18:50,240 an old one. Is that correct? 2595 02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:50,719 >> Correct, 2596 02:18:50,719 --> 02:18:51,200 >> sir. Yes. 2597 02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:52,719 >> And what year is the old one? 2598 02:18:52,719 --> 02:18:55,920 >> Uh, the old one was a 2008. 2599 02:18:55,920 --> 02:18:56,639 >> 2008. 2600 02:18:56,639 --> 02:18:59,280 >> So, it'll be due for replacement in 2028 2601 02:18:59,280 --> 02:19:01,519 after it 20-year service life, which is 2602 02:19:01,519 --> 02:19:03,679 our standard replacement cycle for large 2603 02:19:03,679 --> 02:19:05,599 fire apparatus. 2604 02:19:05,599 --> 02:19:08,399 And that's about 5 years on the industry 2605 02:19:08,399 --> 02:19:10,160 best uh best practice, which the 2606 02:19:10,160 --> 02:19:12,000 industry recommends replacing frontline 2607 02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:14,479 fire apparatus in 15 years. We take them 2608 02:19:14,479 --> 02:19:17,040 to 20 here in Clearwater County. 2609 02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:24,070 >> Yeah. Thank you. 2610 02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:26,319 Deputy Grief McKay, go ahead. 2611 02:19:26,319 --> 02:19:28,479 >> Thank is there a home for this large 2612 02:19:28,479 --> 02:19:29,840 apparatus somewhere else within the 2613 02:19:29,840 --> 02:19:31,280 county or would it have to be sold at 2614 02:19:31,280 --> 02:19:33,200 auction? 2615 02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:35,280 >> Uh the replacement apparatus debut reef 2616 02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:36,319 the one that's coming 2617 02:19:36,319 --> 02:19:38,800 >> that we're replacing like for old 513. 2618 02:19:38,800 --> 02:19:40,000 Does it have a home somewhere else 2619 02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:41,120 within the fleet? 2620 02:19:41,120 --> 02:19:43,599 >> Uh correct. Uh the the plan here today 2621 02:19:43,599 --> 02:19:46,399 is that 513 would come out of Nordic and 2622 02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:49,280 be uh stationed here in in headquarters. 2623 02:19:49,280 --> 02:19:53,040 Actually we have a old 2011, the one 2624 02:19:53,040 --> 02:19:55,359 fire engine that uh used to be in Condor 2625 02:19:55,359 --> 02:19:56,960 is currently being utilized by the 2626 02:19:56,960 --> 02:19:59,680 Wildland urban interface team. Uh it is 2627 02:19:59,680 --> 02:20:01,840 well beyond its 20-year life cycle. So 2628 02:20:01,840 --> 02:20:04,080 that 513 apparatus would come in here to 2629 02:20:04,080 --> 02:20:05,200 headquarters, be utilized as the 2630 02:20:05,200 --> 02:20:06,960 wildland urban interface team's primary 2631 02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:10,080 response engine uh for for the 2632 02:20:10,080 --> 02:20:11,680 foreseeable future as long as we can 2633 02:20:11,680 --> 02:20:13,520 maintain it safe on the road as a third 2634 02:20:13,520 --> 02:20:15,280 line apparatus and potentially a 2635 02:20:15,280 --> 02:20:17,760 mechanical spare uh if we have an engine 2636 02:20:17,760 --> 02:20:19,920 that goes out of service for significant 2637 02:20:19,920 --> 02:20:21,120 period of time. 2638 02:20:21,120 --> 02:20:21,439 >> Okay. 2639 02:20:21,439 --> 02:20:24,240 >> But it does have a home uh or it could 2640 02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:27,520 be uh dispersed uh as an asset through 2641 02:20:27,520 --> 02:20:29,280 the county's uh asset dispersement 2642 02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:31,200 policy. It could be we could recover 2643 02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:33,120 some cost on that truck if that was 2644 02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:37,270 council's direction, 2645 02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:39,840 » right? Or we could just disperse the old 2646 02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:42,479 condor truck and 2647 02:20:42,479 --> 02:20:42,800 >> correct. 2648 02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:45,200 >> It would probably be more beneficial to 2649 02:20:45,200 --> 02:20:47,439 fire services to do it that way. 2650 02:20:47,439 --> 02:20:47,680 Correct. 2651 02:20:47,680 --> 02:20:49,840 >> So, the sooner we can get our hands on 2652 02:20:49,840 --> 02:20:52,000 this apparatus, the better it is. Not 2653 02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:54,560 just for cuz this would go to Nordic. 2654 02:20:54,560 --> 02:20:57,680 Correct. Uh this engine actually u it's 2655 02:20:57,680 --> 02:21:00,000 to replace 513 in Nordic. The intent 2656 02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:01,600 would be that we would remove we would 2657 02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:04,479 move one of our engines in Rocky that is 2658 02:21:04,479 --> 02:21:07,040 uh been used really well out to Nordic. 2659 02:21:07,040 --> 02:21:08,560 Uh it better suits their needs out there 2660 02:21:08,560 --> 02:21:10,000 and then this engine would probably 2661 02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:11,120 replace that engine in Rocky 2662 02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:12,640 Mountainhouse. So although that capital 2663 02:21:12,640 --> 02:21:14,080 wise we're replacing the engine in 2664 02:21:14,080 --> 02:21:15,840 Nordic, we would be doing some fleet 2665 02:21:15,840 --> 02:21:17,520 adjustments when this new engine came 2666 02:21:17,520 --> 02:21:19,680 in. uh it would be going to our busiest 2667 02:21:19,680 --> 02:21:21,600 fireh hall and one of our engines that 2668 02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:23,840 was built in 2017 2669 02:21:23,840 --> 02:21:26,160 uh would be going out to Nordic to to be 2670 02:21:26,160 --> 02:21:28,080 stationed at station 50. It just better 2671 02:21:28,080 --> 02:21:30,319 operationally suits the needs of Nordic 2672 02:21:30,319 --> 02:21:32,479 than uh the truck we're we currently 2673 02:21:32,479 --> 02:21:34,160 have out there. 2674 02:21:34,160 --> 02:21:39,359 >> Okay. So by moving this to 2675 02:21:39,359 --> 02:21:41,600 2026 as you said and allowing us to save 2676 02:21:41,600 --> 02:21:43,680 those funds would that get us the 2677 02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:45,520 physical equipment any sooner? 2678 02:21:45,520 --> 02:21:49,830 >> No, it would not. 2679 02:21:49,840 --> 02:21:52,399 Okay, the build queue would not change 2680 02:21:52,399 --> 02:21:53,920 from those manufacturers and that 2681 02:21:53,920 --> 02:21:56,560 two-year time period is probably as 2682 02:21:56,560 --> 02:21:58,560 quick as we'll see in today's uh 2683 02:21:58,560 --> 02:21:59,680 building environment. Some 2684 02:21:59,680 --> 02:22:01,520 municipalities are seeing through 2685 02:22:01,520 --> 02:22:03,200 certain vendors up to a four-year build 2686 02:22:03,200 --> 02:22:06,319 time for a fire apparat. 2687 02:22:06,319 --> 02:22:09,840 >> Okay. Thank you, 2688 02:22:09,840 --> 02:22:12,080 >> Councelor Humphrey. 2689 02:22:12,080 --> 02:22:16,240 A question I have is if if we make this 2690 02:22:16,240 --> 02:22:18,800 uh 2691 02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:22,160 we make this adjustment and prepay it. 2692 02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:24,240 So we're prepaying it. We lock in the 2693 02:22:24,240 --> 02:22:27,359 price. If we don't prepay it, is the 2694 02:22:27,359 --> 02:22:30,479 price still locked in or not? Can it go 2695 02:22:30,479 --> 02:22:32,800 up? Cuz two years till we get the fire 2696 02:22:32,800 --> 02:22:35,920 truck, it's not locking it in. It could 2697 02:22:35,920 --> 02:22:39,040 go up hundreds of thousands of dollars. 2698 02:22:39,040 --> 02:22:43,439 In the past, uh, fire, uh, apparatus 2699 02:22:43,439 --> 02:22:46,000 manufacturers have have honored the 2700 02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:49,200 price, uh, whether we prepay or we do a 2701 02:22:49,200 --> 02:22:53,040 10% deposit after quotation. 2702 02:22:53,040 --> 02:22:56,319 There is there is word in the fire 2703 02:22:56,319 --> 02:22:58,240 industry that that is going to change 2704 02:22:58,240 --> 02:23:05,520 because of the these manufacturers are claiming that uh their supply chain 2705 02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:08,240 problems uh specifically the weak 2706 02:23:08,240 --> 02:23:10,880 Canadian dollar and 2707 02:23:10,880 --> 02:23:14,319 um uncertainty in the Canadian and US 2708 02:23:14,319 --> 02:23:15,840 markets with the current environment 2709 02:23:15,840 --> 02:23:21,840 we're in that that may change and if we could see u them coming back and 2710 02:23:21,840 --> 02:23:23,760 enforcing ing some of the force majour 2711 02:23:23,760 --> 02:23:25,439 clauses in these agreements when we 2712 02:23:25,439 --> 02:23:28,800 prepay the 10% only that they may come 2713 02:23:28,800 --> 02:23:30,399 back and give us a letter and say we're 2714 02:23:30,399 --> 02:23:31,600 not giving you this truck for that 2715 02:23:31,600 --> 02:23:35,200 anymore because things have changed and you need to give us more money. That 2716 02:23:35,200 --> 02:23:37,920 is the word on the street today and that 2717 02:23:37,920 --> 02:23:39,359 has to do a lot with the current 2718 02:23:39,359 --> 02:23:41,520 environment between Canada and the US 2719 02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:43,040 trade-wise. 2720 02:23:43,040 --> 02:23:46,319 Um it is my understanding uh that if we 2721 02:23:46,319 --> 02:23:48,479 prepay for this apparatus that that 2722 02:23:48,479 --> 02:23:50,800 price is locked in uh up until we 2723 02:23:50,800 --> 02:23:53,680 deliver that truck. If the 10% only is 2724 02:23:53,680 --> 02:23:55,439 paid, we run the risk that things could 2725 02:23:55,439 --> 02:23:57,760 change. 2726 02:23:57,760 --> 02:24:01,600 Um go ahead, council. I'd like to make a 2727 02:24:01,600 --> 02:24:07,520 motion that we uh approve 2728 02:24:07,520 --> 02:24:11,600 option two with the condition that it's 2729 02:24:11,600 --> 02:24:15,200 locked in. Of course, that's that we 2730 02:24:15,200 --> 02:24:17,600 lock in that price that we get 2731 02:24:17,600 --> 02:24:28,710 confirmation that they're not going to raise it. 2732 02:24:28,720 --> 02:24:31,439 » Go ahead, counselor. probably asking me 2733 02:24:31,439 --> 02:24:35,760 have funds somewhere to do this. 2734 02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:37,359 Miss Saran, go ahead. 2735 02:24:37,359 --> 02:24:39,359 >> Yes, currently in the restricted surplus 2736 02:24:39,359 --> 02:24:41,439 account for fire apparatus is just over 2737 02:24:41,439 --> 02:24:45,120 $2 million. However, um there would need 2738 02:24:45,120 --> 02:24:47,520 to be some 2739 02:24:47,520 --> 02:24:50,240 uh additional funds going into there to 2740 02:24:50,240 --> 02:24:54,080 fund future things. Um there is some 2741 02:24:54,080 --> 02:24:55,280 more discussion that needs to happen 2742 02:24:55,280 --> 02:24:57,040 around restricted surplus but to make 2743 02:24:57,040 --> 02:24:59,120 this happen there is funds there this 2744 02:24:59,120 --> 02:25:00,720 year. 2745 02:25:00,720 --> 02:25:02,880 >> Thank you Mr. Saran for that. Councelor 2746 02:25:02,880 --> 02:25:04,960 Maui do you 2747 02:25:04,960 --> 02:25:09,280 >> no okay um I do have one question uh 2748 02:25:09,280 --> 02:25:11,760 councelor Mack do you have comments? 2749 02:25:11,760 --> 02:25:16,319 Yeah, I was just wondering if if we the 2750 02:25:16,319 --> 02:25:20,080 interest on the 1.3 2751 02:25:20,080 --> 02:25:23,270 1.35 2752 02:25:23,280 --> 02:25:25,359 would we get more interest if we put 2753 02:25:25,359 --> 02:25:27,840 that into a bank instead of paying them 2754 02:25:27,840 --> 02:25:29,920 the 105 2755 02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:32,160 which would be 2756 02:25:32,160 --> 02:25:35,280 more beneficial to us? Would we make 2757 02:25:35,280 --> 02:25:37,760 more interest on that money if we kept 2758 02:25:37,760 --> 02:25:40,560 it for the two years or would we pay 2759 02:25:40,560 --> 02:25:44,960 more if we paid the 105? 2760 02:25:44,960 --> 02:25:47,280 >> Mir, do you know what I'm saying? 2761 02:25:47,280 --> 02:25:49,280 >> Yes. Director Hemark and I did have a 2762 02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:51,359 conversation about that and it is uh 2763 02:25:51,359 --> 02:25:54,319 slightly more beneficial to pay upfront 2764 02:25:54,319 --> 02:25:56,319 than the interest that would be received 2765 02:25:56,319 --> 02:25:57,359 on that money. 2766 02:25:57,359 --> 02:25:59,439 >> So, we would save money if we paid it up 2767 02:25:59,439 --> 02:25:59,920 front. 2768 02:25:59,920 --> 02:26:00,880 >> Yes. 2769 02:26:00,880 --> 02:26:03,760 >> Thank you. That's what I needed. 2770 02:26:03,760 --> 02:26:07,270 >> Okay. Thank you. 2771 02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:08,640 » Okay, that answers your question. 2772 02:26:08,640 --> 02:26:10,640 Council Serach, I do have one question 2773 02:26:10,640 --> 02:26:13,920 and it's uh regarding the color of this 2774 02:26:13,920 --> 02:26:16,160 equipment. Will it be red or white and 2775 02:26:16,160 --> 02:26:18,240 what are the implications of having 2776 02:26:18,240 --> 02:26:21,760 white emergency services? 2777 02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:24,960 >> Uh Reev, that one catches me off guard. 2778 02:26:24,960 --> 02:26:26,720 My apologies, but uh currently 2779 02:26:26,720 --> 02:26:29,200 Clearwater County has a policy in place, 2780 02:26:29,200 --> 02:26:31,280 our vehicle and equipment use policy I 2781 02:26:31,280 --> 02:26:32,880 believe that requires fire apparatus 2782 02:26:32,880 --> 02:26:36,240 fleet to be white in color predominantly 2783 02:26:36,240 --> 02:26:39,840 um and have a specific decal uh down the 2784 02:26:39,840 --> 02:26:41,840 side of them that is indicative of our 2785 02:26:41,840 --> 02:26:45,520 5-year service ribbon. Um so as uh 2786 02:26:45,520 --> 02:26:47,439 regional fire management, we would be 2787 02:26:47,439 --> 02:26:49,040 following that policy today and that 2788 02:26:49,040 --> 02:26:50,479 truck would be specked as white with 2789 02:26:50,479 --> 02:26:52,960 that ribbon on it. If we wanted to color 2790 02:26:52,960 --> 02:26:54,479 that truck differently, I would need to 2791 02:26:54,479 --> 02:26:58,080 ask council to change a policy. 2792 02:26:58,080 --> 02:26:59,200 >> Thank you very much for that, Deputy 2793 02:26:59,200 --> 02:27:00,479 Chief. I'm just wondering if there's a 2794 02:27:00,479 --> 02:27:02,640 cost savings by having the equipment 2795 02:27:02,640 --> 02:27:04,319 white or is there an additional cost for 2796 02:27:04,319 --> 02:27:06,319 that be being white? 2797 02:27:06,319 --> 02:27:07,920 >> Uh, 2798 02:27:07,920 --> 02:27:12,080 so um I can't say from this specific 2799 02:27:12,080 --> 02:27:13,760 manufacturer that that cost would be 2800 02:27:13,760 --> 02:27:15,840 more to be white. We have paid more for 2801 02:27:15,840 --> 02:27:19,200 white apparatus in the past. Um, we have 2802 02:27:19,200 --> 02:27:21,280 had to buy spec apparats off the lot 2803 02:27:21,280 --> 02:27:23,040 that are already red and we've had to 2804 02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:24,880 paint them uh white to meet county 2805 02:27:24,880 --> 02:27:28,000 policy. Um, so we have in the past paid 2806 02:27:28,000 --> 02:27:31,600 more. Um, 2807 02:27:31,600 --> 02:27:33,920 yes. Um, 2808 02:27:33,920 --> 02:27:35,680 there is there's an interesting history 2809 02:27:35,680 --> 02:27:37,040 dynamic behind that in Clear Water 2810 02:27:37,040 --> 02:27:38,720 Regional Fire Rescue Services that I I 2811 02:27:38,720 --> 02:27:40,880 would not endeavor to get into with 2812 02:27:40,880 --> 02:27:43,359 council, but we have paid more for uh, 2813 02:27:43,359 --> 02:27:45,359 wide fire apparatus in the past. We have 2814 02:27:45,359 --> 02:27:46,960 also bought lots of white apparatus that 2815 02:27:46,960 --> 02:27:48,399 did not cost any more than if we would 2816 02:27:48,399 --> 02:27:50,319 have specked them red. There's generally 2817 02:27:50,319 --> 02:27:53,520 certain color band that causes us to 2818 02:27:53,520 --> 02:27:55,520 that manufacturers have that there's 2819 02:27:55,520 --> 02:27:57,920 really no cost. Uh so if we spec these 2820 02:27:57,920 --> 02:28:01,040 apparatus in advance, they don't. Um 2821 02:28:01,040 --> 02:28:03,120 right now there's one study that says 2822 02:28:03,120 --> 02:28:05,760 that the that there's uh color benefits 2823 02:28:05,760 --> 02:28:07,840 to having fluorescent green fire 2824 02:28:07,840 --> 02:28:10,240 apparatus. Uh, and there's one study 2825 02:28:10,240 --> 02:28:11,920 that says that your fire apparatus 2826 02:28:11,920 --> 02:28:14,160 should be the color your public expects 2827 02:28:14,160 --> 02:28:16,640 them to be. And I would endeavor that if 2828 02:28:16,640 --> 02:28:18,080 we pulled the majority of our public, 2829 02:28:18,080 --> 02:28:19,600 they would expect our fire apparatus to 2830 02:28:19,600 --> 02:28:21,359 be red. However, we have a mixed fleet 2831 02:28:21,359 --> 02:28:24,160 today where we have red apparatus and we 2832 02:28:24,160 --> 02:28:26,160 have majority white apparatus. So, it is 2833 02:28:26,160 --> 02:28:27,920 a complex problem. Right now, if we're 2834 02:28:27,920 --> 02:28:30,000 building fire trucks, we are building 2835 02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:34,240 them white simply because that is we are required to do that under county 2836 02:28:34,240 --> 02:28:36,399 policy. 2837 02:28:36,399 --> 02:28:39,359 Good. 2838 02:28:39,359 --> 02:28:40,880 Thank you for that information. I'm sure 2839 02:28:40,880 --> 02:28:41,920 there's going to be more discussion on 2840 02:28:41,920 --> 02:28:43,600 this, but uh councelor Powell, go ahead, 2841 02:28:43,600 --> 02:28:44,800 please. 2842 02:28:44,800 --> 02:28:46,960 >> I don't understand. I'm feeling a little 2843 02:28:46,960 --> 02:28:48,800 lost and caught off guard. Why are they 2844 02:28:48,800 --> 02:28:50,960 Why do they have to be white? 2845 02:28:50,960 --> 02:28:53,439 >> It's under current policy at this point 2846 02:28:53,439 --> 02:28:54,560 in time. 2847 02:28:54,560 --> 02:28:56,560 >> Can I Can we see the policy? Like, I'm 2848 02:28:56,560 --> 02:28:57,920 not I'm totally lost. 2849 02:28:57,920 --> 02:28:59,920 >> And this may be a discussion or a motion 2850 02:28:59,920 --> 02:29:01,439 required from council to have a review 2851 02:29:01,439 --> 02:29:04,560 of this policy. 2852 02:29:04,560 --> 02:29:05,760 >> Councelor Pal, do you have any further 2853 02:29:05,760 --> 02:29:07,680 comments? I always thought fire trucks 2854 02:29:07,680 --> 02:29:09,920 were red. 2855 02:29:09,920 --> 02:29:11,680 >> Thank you, Council Pal. Councelor Lewin, 2856 02:29:11,680 --> 02:29:12,640 go ahead, please. 2857 02:29:12,640 --> 02:29:14,720 >> Well, what size of this new fire truck 2858 02:29:14,720 --> 02:29:15,840 we're getting 2859 02:29:15,840 --> 02:29:17,600 >> because I've seen all different sizes of 2860 02:29:17,600 --> 02:29:19,359 fire trucks throughout the county. 2861 02:29:19,359 --> 02:29:20,640 >> Correct. 2862 02:29:20,640 --> 02:29:22,240 >> This kind of money. I just wondering 2863 02:29:22,240 --> 02:29:25,120 what the weight is, axle size. 2864 02:29:25,120 --> 02:29:27,600 >> Uh, I can pull up exact specifications 2865 02:29:27,600 --> 02:29:30,160 for you, counselor, um, based on a 2866 02:29:30,160 --> 02:29:32,560 proposal we received. Uh, this truck is 2867 02:29:32,560 --> 02:29:34,399 a what we considered a type one fire 2868 02:29:34,399 --> 02:29:37,600 engine. So, it meets the NFPA and 2869 02:29:37,600 --> 02:29:39,680 CANCF515 2870 02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:42,479 uh standard for a first frontline pumper 2871 02:29:42,479 --> 02:29:44,479 truck essentially is what it is. This is 2872 02:29:44,479 --> 02:29:46,720 a single axle pumper truck, not a dual 2873 02:29:46,720 --> 02:29:49,280 axle. So, it's not a one of our our 2874 02:29:49,280 --> 02:29:53,439 rural fire engines like you would see in Leyville that has two axles and 2875 02:29:53,439 --> 02:29:55,840 carries 2,000 gallons of water. It is 2876 02:29:55,840 --> 02:29:58,000 designed to be shorter single axle base. 2877 02:29:58,000 --> 02:29:59,920 It's it it uh based on the stations 2878 02:29:59,920 --> 02:30:01,600 it'll go into either replacing the truck 2879 02:30:01,600 --> 02:30:03,359 in Northern Rocky Mountainhouse. It 2880 02:30:03,359 --> 02:30:05,520 allows us to have a a lower driving 2881 02:30:05,520 --> 02:30:07,439 license class for the operators. It 2882 02:30:07,439 --> 02:30:09,280 allows us to operate that truck over 2883 02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:11,840 more restricted bridges and roadways. It 2884 02:30:11,840 --> 02:30:13,760 is supported by a fire tender that 2885 02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:16,000 brings lots of water if required. This 2886 02:30:16,000 --> 02:30:19,920 has a 750 gallons of onboard water. Um 2887 02:30:19,920 --> 02:30:21,760 it is a large pump that meets 2888 02:30:21,760 --> 02:30:24,479 firefighting capacity of 1500 gallons 2889 02:30:24,479 --> 02:30:26,640 per minute pumping capacity. requires 2890 02:30:26,640 --> 02:30:28,800 all the requisite uh or carries all the 2891 02:30:28,800 --> 02:30:30,880 requisite firefighting equipment. So uh 2892 02:30:30,880 --> 02:30:34,240 SCBAs, uh selfcame breathing apparatus, 2893 02:30:34,240 --> 02:30:37,280 uh hand tools, power tools, you name it. 2894 02:30:37,280 --> 02:30:40,720 seats five firefighters in the cab. 2895 02:30:40,720 --> 02:30:43,920 Um yeah, it would be similar to uh if 2896 02:30:43,920 --> 02:30:46,560 you went down to Nordic today, uh their 2897 02:30:46,560 --> 02:30:49,040 frontline pumper. It's very similar to 2898 02:30:49,040 --> 02:30:50,800 look and feel of that truck. If you went 2899 02:30:50,800 --> 02:30:52,240 down to Rocky Mountain House, the same 2900 02:30:52,240 --> 02:30:55,520 Caroline, the same condor, the same 2901 02:30:55,520 --> 02:30:57,840 seats five firefighters has a large 2902 02:30:57,840 --> 02:30:59,359 firefighting pump and carries all the 2903 02:30:59,359 --> 02:31:00,479 equipment that's required 2904 02:31:00,479 --> 02:31:02,240 >> and carries 750 gallons of water. 2905 02:31:02,240 --> 02:31:04,479 >> 750 gallons of onboard water. Yes. 2906 02:31:04,479 --> 02:31:06,640 >> Thank you, 2907 02:31:06,640 --> 02:31:08,720 >> councelor Pal. I just have a I just have 2908 02:31:08,720 --> 02:31:11,359 a question. I agree with um councelor 2909 02:31:11,359 --> 02:31:14,160 Humphrey on option two being made the 2910 02:31:14,160 --> 02:31:16,960 motion but I when we're purchasing a new 2911 02:31:16,960 --> 02:31:18,640 item like this which I think is great we 2912 02:31:18,640 --> 02:31:21,520 need to keep doing that when we are 2913 02:31:21,520 --> 02:31:23,920 ordering color 2914 02:31:23,920 --> 02:31:25,520 maybe I just think that is there a way 2915 02:31:25,520 --> 02:31:27,040 that we can discuss the color in the 2916 02:31:27,040 --> 02:31:29,680 policy prior to placing the order to 2917 02:31:29,680 --> 02:31:31,680 make sure that this is what emergency 2918 02:31:31,680 --> 02:31:34,800 services and does want for color and 2919 02:31:34,800 --> 02:31:38,240 that um before we go and purchase that 2920 02:31:38,240 --> 02:31:40,240 we have this discussion. I don't know 2921 02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:41,520 how that can be done with a motion on 2922 02:31:41,520 --> 02:31:43,359 the floor, but I just 2923 02:31:43,359 --> 02:31:44,880 >> at this point in time, we do not have an 2924 02:31:44,880 --> 02:31:47,600 official motion on the floor. Um, 2925 02:31:47,600 --> 02:31:49,120 >> I can provide some clarity to that 2926 02:31:49,120 --> 02:31:50,000 comment as well, too. 2927 02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:52,000 >> So, just to just to answer there, we do 2928 02:31:52,000 --> 02:31:53,520 not I haven't stated the motion. 2929 02:31:53,520 --> 02:31:54,160 >> Yep. 2930 02:31:54,160 --> 02:31:54,560 >> Oh, 2931 02:31:54,560 --> 02:31:56,160 >> yeah. Councelor Humphrey has made the 2932 02:31:56,160 --> 02:31:57,680 motion, but the chair has not stated 2933 02:31:57,680 --> 02:31:59,120 that motion officially. 2934 02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:00,479 >> My apologies. 2935 02:32:00,479 --> 02:32:01,600 >> So, 2936 02:32:01,600 --> 02:32:03,600 >> yeah, my councelor Humphrey has a 2937 02:32:03,600 --> 02:32:04,800 proposed motion, but it has not 2938 02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:06,560 officially been placed on the floor. And 2939 02:32:06,560 --> 02:32:08,160 that was actually to councelor Powell's 2940 02:32:08,160 --> 02:32:10,080 comments was my question was what would 2941 02:32:10,080 --> 02:32:12,479 the you know council's consideration of 2942 02:32:12,479 --> 02:32:14,640 cost savings uh with potential option 2943 02:32:14,640 --> 02:32:17,439 two but as councelor Powell has 2944 02:32:17,439 --> 02:32:19,520 mentioned potential costs of having the 2945 02:32:19,520 --> 02:32:21,920 apparatus white or red and having a 2946 02:32:21,920 --> 02:32:23,359 review of that policy. So is there a 2947 02:32:23,359 --> 02:32:26,080 deadline um regarding this agenda item 2948 02:32:26,080 --> 02:32:27,120 here today? 2949 02:32:27,120 --> 02:32:30,640 >> Uh so uh approving this agenda item 2950 02:32:30,640 --> 02:32:32,560 today for us to move forward allows us 2951 02:32:32,560 --> 02:32:35,040 to secure that build spot with the 2952 02:32:35,040 --> 02:32:37,200 manufacturer. there is a written spec 2953 02:32:37,200 --> 02:32:40,160 that today states that it would be uh uh 2954 02:32:40,160 --> 02:32:43,200 white in color. What happens when we 2955 02:32:43,200 --> 02:32:45,840 then start engaging formally with that 2956 02:32:45,840 --> 02:32:48,080 vendor after we either prepaid the 10% 2957 02:32:48,080 --> 02:32:49,760 or prepaid the entire amount of the 2958 02:32:49,760 --> 02:32:51,359 apparatus is we get into what's called a 2959 02:32:51,359 --> 02:32:52,960 pre-build cycle where we get to review 2960 02:32:52,960 --> 02:32:54,960 that spec and change whatever we want. 2961 02:32:54,960 --> 02:32:56,399 And there's also a final build 2962 02:32:56,399 --> 02:32:57,920 inspection that's done at the facility 2963 02:32:57,920 --> 02:33:00,000 after that truck has been built. So, we 2964 02:33:00,000 --> 02:33:02,319 have this this would start a two-year 2965 02:33:02,319 --> 02:33:04,080 process or we have lots of time to 2966 02:33:04,080 --> 02:33:06,080 change the color of this truck at no 2967 02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:08,560 cost to Clearwater County. 2968 02:33:08,560 --> 02:33:09,920 >> Do you have the information? Thank you, 2969 02:33:09,920 --> 02:33:12,319 Deputy Chief. Available today. I don't 2970 02:33:12,319 --> 02:33:14,560 You may have it. Is there additional 2971 02:33:14,560 --> 02:33:16,960 cost on the unit being white or would 2972 02:33:16,960 --> 02:33:18,479 there be a cost savings of the unit 2973 02:33:18,479 --> 02:33:20,000 being white or red? 2974 02:33:20,000 --> 02:33:22,080 >> I I don't have that number in front of 2975 02:33:22,080 --> 02:33:24,399 me. I I could attempt to pull up the 2976 02:33:24,399 --> 02:33:26,319 spec on here, but the spec that I have 2977 02:33:26,319 --> 02:33:28,000 doesn't have the list of the items 2978 02:33:28,000 --> 02:33:29,840 priced beside it. I'd have to engage the 2979 02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:32,240 vendor in that pre-built process. I I 2980 02:33:32,240 --> 02:33:33,680 don't believe there would be a cost 2981 02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:35,600 savings to make this specific truck 2982 02:33:35,600 --> 02:33:38,479 white from red. Uh the standard white 2983 02:33:38,479 --> 02:33:40,319 they use versus a standard red they use 2984 02:33:40,319 --> 02:33:41,680 because this truck hasn't been built 2985 02:33:41,680 --> 02:33:43,760 yet. Where we run into that case is when 2986 02:33:43,760 --> 02:33:46,319 we're buying a fire apparatus that's 2987 02:33:46,319 --> 02:33:48,000 already been built and we have to paint 2988 02:33:48,000 --> 02:33:50,160 it white or if we were buying some kind 2989 02:33:50,160 --> 02:33:53,200 of special white paint. Uh we have paid 2990 02:33:53,200 --> 02:33:55,040 more for white apparatus in the past. 2991 02:33:55,040 --> 02:33:56,960 This one specific because we're so early 2992 02:33:56,960 --> 02:33:58,560 in the process. They've just listed 2993 02:33:58,560 --> 02:34:01,920 simply painting the body as as a line 2994 02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:03,760 item. That's probably a placeholder 2995 02:34:03,760 --> 02:34:04,960 value. So, I wouldn't have that 2996 02:34:04,960 --> 02:34:07,040 information in front of me today on if 2997 02:34:07,040 --> 02:34:09,520 that would cost us more or less if we 2998 02:34:09,520 --> 02:34:12,479 dropped it down to red, but I can say in 2999 02:34:12,479 --> 02:34:14,560 the past that it has impacted price for 3000 02:34:14,560 --> 02:34:15,200 sure. 3001 02:34:15,200 --> 02:34:17,120 >> Thank you again, Deputy Chief CEO 3002 02:34:17,120 --> 02:34:18,399 Simpson. Go ahead, please. 3003 02:34:18,399 --> 02:34:22,800 >> Political question. Question to council. 3004 02:34:22,800 --> 02:34:24,319 >> What does council think the public would 3005 02:34:24,319 --> 02:34:26,000 want? The color of the apparatus that is 3006 02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:28,800 currently unpainted to be 3007 02:34:28,800 --> 02:34:32,319 notwithstanding policy. Red or white? 3008 02:34:32,319 --> 02:34:33,920 >> Red. 3009 02:34:33,920 --> 02:34:36,000 >> Okay. Looks like red is a majority is 3010 02:34:36,000 --> 02:34:37,840 what the community would expect fire 3011 02:34:37,840 --> 02:34:39,840 apparatus to be colored red. 3012 02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:42,399 >> And yourself, Mr. Ree? 3013 02:34:42,399 --> 02:34:43,840 >> Generally, when you see fire and 3014 02:34:43,840 --> 02:34:45,280 emergency services equipment, it would 3015 02:34:45,280 --> 02:34:47,120 be in general, you would think it would 3016 02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:48,000 be red. 3017 02:34:48,000 --> 02:34:49,520 >> I have good news for council. You do 3018 02:34:49,520 --> 02:34:52,319 have the ability to vary policy at your 3019 02:34:52,319 --> 02:34:55,280 discretion, not so much a bylaw. If you 3020 02:34:55,280 --> 02:34:57,680 want the apparatus to be painted red, 3021 02:34:57,680 --> 02:34:59,200 you can just stipulate that in the 3022 02:34:59,200 --> 02:35:01,600 motion today when you approve our option 3023 02:35:01,600 --> 02:35:03,840 two and we can send that information to 3024 02:35:03,840 --> 02:35:06,560 them and we can bring the policy back 3025 02:35:06,560 --> 02:35:09,920 for a discussion or repeal at council's 3026 02:35:09,920 --> 02:35:11,520 pleasure. 3027 02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:14,000 there's 3028 02:35:14,000 --> 02:35:16,880 to have united uh colors amongst a lot 3029 02:35:16,880 --> 02:35:19,200 of the fire apparatus is already white. 3030 02:35:19,200 --> 02:35:20,800 But I think what council is looking for 3031 02:35:20,800 --> 02:35:22,240 is maybe a discussion and see if there 3032 02:35:22,240 --> 02:35:25,120 are any cost implications or potential 3033 02:35:25,120 --> 02:35:27,120 cost savings in the future uh regarding 3034 02:35:27,120 --> 02:35:28,560 the policy. There may not be any cost 3035 02:35:28,560 --> 02:35:30,560 savings to be had to go from red to 3036 02:35:30,560 --> 02:35:33,040 white or from sorry white to red or 3037 02:35:33,040 --> 02:35:35,520 maintaining status quo as per current 3038 02:35:35,520 --> 02:35:37,680 policy of white but I think that 3039 02:35:37,680 --> 02:35:39,040 information could be brought forward and 3040 02:35:39,040 --> 02:35:41,600 I think council would um like to have 3041 02:35:41,600 --> 02:35:43,920 further discussion as we're indicating 3042 02:35:43,920 --> 02:35:45,520 option two which would be a cost savings 3043 02:35:45,520 --> 02:35:48,080 to the municipality of 105,000. 3044 02:35:48,080 --> 02:35:49,920 So I think a future discussion on this 3045 02:35:49,920 --> 02:35:53,280 current policy of a mandatory white fire 3046 02:35:53,280 --> 02:35:54,960 and emergency services apparatus could 3047 02:35:54,960 --> 02:35:56,240 be a future discussion for council to 3048 02:35:56,240 --> 02:35:58,240 get that information. 3049 02:35:58,240 --> 02:36:01,280 Does any council member have any 3050 02:36:01,280 --> 02:36:03,680 questions or deputy chief do you have 3051 02:36:03,680 --> 02:36:04,960 any comments? 3052 02:36:04,960 --> 02:36:07,920 >> Uh I have no comments at this point. 3053 02:36:07,920 --> 02:36:10,399 Reeve, I think um I think bringing the 3054 02:36:10,399 --> 02:36:12,560 vehicle use policy back to council is an 3055 02:36:12,560 --> 02:36:13,920 important step at a future council 3056 02:36:13,920 --> 02:36:16,720 meeting. Um, and as the CEO alluded to, 3057 02:36:16,720 --> 02:36:18,479 if if council so decides at that point 3058 02:36:18,479 --> 02:36:21,280 in time to change that policy, we can 3059 02:36:21,280 --> 02:36:22,960 change the color of this truck and it 3060 02:36:22,960 --> 02:36:24,960 would not cost us money to do that as 3061 02:36:24,960 --> 02:36:26,640 long as we did that sometime in the next 3062 02:36:26,640 --> 02:36:28,399 two years. 3063 02:36:28,399 --> 02:36:30,319 >> Okay. And uh that information if it was 3064 02:36:30,319 --> 02:36:31,680 brought forward and it was identified 3065 02:36:31,680 --> 02:36:33,120 that white is the better color and the 3066 02:36:33,120 --> 02:36:35,040 better interests of Clearwater County, 3067 02:36:35,040 --> 02:36:36,720 then my preferred color may be white at 3068 02:36:36,720 --> 02:36:39,439 that point in time. But uh councelor 3069 02:36:39,439 --> 02:36:41,600 Lewin, go ahead. I'm all for changing it 3070 02:36:41,600 --> 02:36:44,479 to red if we save some money as long as 3071 02:36:44,479 --> 02:36:46,080 we don't repaint all the other fire 3072 02:36:46,080 --> 02:36:49,590 trucks. 3073 02:36:49,600 --> 02:36:52,160 » That would be I assume that would be 3074 02:36:52,160 --> 02:36:53,439 expecting that would be part of the 3075 02:36:53,439 --> 02:36:58,640 discussion in the future. So, um 3076 02:36:58,640 --> 02:37:00,560 we have a proposed motion from councelor 3077 02:37:00,560 --> 02:37:04,080 Humphrey. Um 3078 02:37:04,080 --> 02:37:11,439 councelor Humphrey, go ahead. So, do we want to add in that we'd like this 3079 02:37:11,439 --> 02:37:13,200 truck red or are we going to decide that 3080 02:37:13,200 --> 02:37:15,200 at a later date which we have the option 3081 02:37:15,200 --> 02:37:16,880 to? I think at this point in time we 3082 02:37:16,880 --> 02:37:17,840 don't have I don't have enough 3083 02:37:17,840 --> 02:37:19,280 information to decide whether it should 3084 02:37:19,280 --> 02:37:20,720 be red or white. But I think a future 3085 02:37:20,720 --> 02:37:22,240 discussion and information brought 3086 02:37:22,240 --> 02:37:23,600 forward from the administration for 3087 02:37:23,600 --> 02:37:27,439 council consideration would be the first 3088 02:37:27,439 --> 02:37:29,920 steps to move forward. Okay. But we 3089 02:37:29,920 --> 02:37:32,720 should pro probably still get into the 3090 02:37:32,720 --> 02:37:34,240 queue. 3091 02:37:34,240 --> 02:37:35,680 >> And that was my question sort of for 3092 02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:38,319 deputy chief was if there's a time 3093 02:37:38,319 --> 02:37:40,960 constraint on this requirement for 3094 02:37:40,960 --> 02:37:42,800 >> I can I can speak to that specifically. 3095 02:37:42,800 --> 02:37:45,680 There is a time constraint for us to 3096 02:37:45,680 --> 02:37:47,439 move forward on this apparatus whether 3097 02:37:47,439 --> 02:37:49,920 that's uh figuring out a totally 3098 02:37:49,920 --> 02:37:52,960 different option um that would require 3099 02:37:52,960 --> 02:37:55,520 us to have a an apparatus that doesn't 3100 02:37:55,520 --> 02:37:57,760 align well with our fleet. we either 3101 02:37:57,760 --> 02:38:01,280 need to prepay uh in advance or we need 3102 02:38:01,280 --> 02:38:04,800 to adjust the current capital funding to 3103 02:38:04,800 --> 02:38:07,120 essentially replace this fire apparatus. 3104 02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:09,680 uh the the the manufacturer that gave us 3105 02:38:09,680 --> 02:38:12,319 a formal proposal did tell us that uh 3106 02:38:12,319 --> 02:38:14,720 annually in September uh firet truck 3107 02:38:14,720 --> 02:38:16,560 manufacturers re-evaluate market 3108 02:38:16,560 --> 02:38:18,080 conditions and considering what took 3109 02:38:18,080 --> 02:38:20,160 place over the last few days at the 3110 02:38:20,160 --> 02:38:22,160 federal level with trade down south I do 3111 02:38:22,160 --> 02:38:24,880 not expect trucks to get any cheaper and 3112 02:38:24,880 --> 02:38:27,600 they're doing a price adjustment in two 3113 02:38:27,600 --> 02:38:30,479 weeks 3 weeks time from now so this 3114 02:38:30,479 --> 02:38:32,640 truck uh and the formal proposal we have 3115 02:38:32,640 --> 02:38:35,600 before us today could if we if we wait 3 3116 02:38:35,600 --> 02:38:38,080 weeks could could be more money than it 3117 02:38:38,080 --> 02:38:41,040 is today. 3118 02:38:41,040 --> 02:38:44,640 >> Okay. So, we have a motion from 3119 02:38:44,640 --> 02:38:46,479 councelor Humphrey that council direct 3120 02:38:46,479 --> 02:38:48,640 administration to proceed with option 3121 02:38:48,640 --> 02:38:52,550 two 3122 02:38:52,560 --> 02:38:55,439 with the condition that the pricing is 3123 02:38:55,439 --> 02:38:59,280 secured from the vendor as presented. 3124 02:38:59,280 --> 02:39:01,439 Understood. 3125 02:39:01,439 --> 02:39:02,720 Does that capture the motion? Councelor 3126 02:39:02,720 --> 02:39:04,880 Humphrey captures it quite well. 3127 02:39:04,880 --> 02:39:06,560 >> Okay. Officially have a motion on the 3128 02:39:06,560 --> 02:39:09,600 floor from councelor Humphrey. 3129 02:39:09,600 --> 02:39:10,880 >> Seeing no further discussion, I'll call 3130 02:39:10,880 --> 02:39:13,280 the question. All those in favor 3131 02:39:13,280 --> 02:39:22,550 and that motion is supported by councel. 3132 02:39:22,560 --> 02:39:31,349 Moving into item 5.2.1. 3133 02:39:31,359 --> 02:39:34,240 It is the Kirk Browning Arena Ice Plant 3134 02:39:34,240 --> 02:39:36,319 upgrade. It is on page 91 of today's 3135 02:39:36,319 --> 02:39:38,080 agenda. Thank you again, Deputy Chief, 3136 02:39:38,080 --> 02:39:55,190 for your time. 3137 02:39:55,200 --> 02:39:57,840 Mr. Reeve, just uh just a supplementary 3138 02:39:57,840 --> 02:39:59,280 question before Director Hansen gets 3139 02:39:59,280 --> 02:40:00,800 going here. Did council wish to make a 3140 02:40:00,800 --> 02:40:02,960 motion to bring that uh policy back 3141 02:40:02,960 --> 02:40:04,399 regarding the color of the fire 3142 02:40:04,399 --> 02:40:06,880 apparatus for discussion at a future 3143 02:40:06,880 --> 02:40:08,080 council meeting? 3144 02:40:08,080 --> 02:40:10,000 >> Absolutely. And I'd be uh pleased to 3145 02:40:10,000 --> 02:40:12,560 make that motion myself that uh council 3146 02:40:12,560 --> 02:40:16,880 direct administration to bring back the 3147 02:40:16,880 --> 02:40:19,040 I'm I'm not sure what the policy number 3148 02:40:19,040 --> 02:40:30,630 or name is. 3149 02:40:30,640 --> 02:40:32,960 » The vehicle and 3150 02:40:32,960 --> 02:40:34,399 >> equipment policy. 3151 02:40:34,399 --> 02:40:36,560 >> Vehicle and equipment use policy. Okay. 3152 02:40:36,560 --> 02:40:37,760 I move that council direct 3153 02:40:37,760 --> 02:40:39,439 administration to bring the vehicle 3154 02:40:39,439 --> 02:40:43,200 equipment and use policy 3155 02:40:43,200 --> 02:40:47,359 for council consideration and review. 3156 02:40:47,359 --> 02:40:49,520 Um seeing no discussion, I'll ask 3157 02:40:49,520 --> 02:40:51,040 question. I'll call the question. All 3158 02:40:51,040 --> 02:40:52,880 those in favor 3159 02:40:52,880 --> 02:40:54,960 and that motion is supported by councel. 3160 02:40:54,960 --> 02:40:57,600 Now we can proceed into item 5.2.1. And 3161 02:40:57,600 --> 02:40:59,200 we have director Hansen and Miss Reglin 3162 02:40:59,200 --> 02:41:02,720 here. So I will pass the floor over to 3163 02:41:02,720 --> 02:41:04,640 director Director Hansen to present this 3164 02:41:04,640 --> 02:41:06,560 item, please. 3165 02:41:06,560 --> 02:41:09,280 Perfect. Good morning, council. Um, so 3166 02:41:09,280 --> 02:41:12,000 this ice plant agenda, I kind of had 3167 02:41:12,000 --> 02:41:15,200 some maybe uh discussions throughout the 3168 02:41:15,200 --> 02:41:16,960 year on the progress as you know, 3169 02:41:16,960 --> 02:41:20,080 bringing uh council back to budget 2026. 3170 02:41:20,080 --> 02:41:22,240 Um, we presented uh I think there was $2 3171 02:41:22,240 --> 02:41:26,399 million in in the 2026 uh budget to 3172 02:41:26,399 --> 02:41:29,680 first of all to evaluate the ice plant 3173 02:41:29,680 --> 02:41:32,319 um at the Kurt Browning Arena. Um, so 3174 02:41:32,319 --> 02:41:34,160 throughout the course of the the spring, 3175 02:41:34,160 --> 02:41:36,399 early summer, uh, we procured, we've put 3176 02:41:36,399 --> 02:41:39,359 out a, uh, RFP for engineering services. 3177 02:41:39,359 --> 02:41:42,880 Uh, we had one response from MCW, um, 3178 02:41:42,880 --> 02:41:45,600 uh, consultants. Uh, they've done a 3179 02:41:45,600 --> 02:41:47,760 thorough review and provided us a a 3180 02:41:47,760 --> 02:41:52,319 62-page uh, feasibility study there on that facility. Uh, we were really 3181 02:41:52,319 --> 02:41:54,479 hoping they could uh, come today and 3182 02:41:54,479 --> 02:41:56,319 speak to some of the technical aspects 3183 02:41:56,319 --> 02:41:59,200 of the report. Unfortunately, they they 3184 02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:00,720 send their regrets. they were unable to 3185 02:42:00,720 --> 02:42:03,120 attend today. Um so we're happy to go 3186 02:42:03,120 --> 02:42:05,920 through the conclusions of the report. 3187 02:42:05,920 --> 02:42:09,520 Um as well as um discussing the cost 3188 02:42:09,520 --> 02:42:11,040 escalation that we've seen, you know, 3189 02:42:11,040 --> 02:42:13,280 based off the budgeted amount and really 3190 02:42:13,280 --> 02:42:15,280 looking for uh council's commitment to 3191 02:42:15,280 --> 02:42:16,720 continue to move forward. you know, 3192 02:42:16,720 --> 02:42:19,680 there's there's um I don't want to be 3193 02:42:19,680 --> 02:42:22,479 this the spoiler alert that it's uh you 3194 02:42:22,479 --> 02:42:24,560 know, this system really has come to the 3195 02:42:24,560 --> 02:42:27,040 end of life uh based on the evaluation 3196 02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:32,319 and we need a path forward there with a new system. Um so with that, I'd 3197 02:42:32,319 --> 02:42:35,200 like to uh have Kate run through the 3198 02:42:35,200 --> 02:42:37,359 agenda item as well as um they have 3199 02:42:37,359 --> 02:42:38,960 provided a PowerPoint presentation which 3200 02:42:38,960 --> 02:42:40,880 they going to present. Um I think it 3201 02:42:40,880 --> 02:42:42,399 still be a benefit for us to present it 3202 02:42:42,399 --> 02:42:44,479 on your behalf. Unfortunately, I say 3203 02:42:44,479 --> 02:42:46,319 neither of us are mechanical engineers 3204 02:42:46,319 --> 02:42:47,920 to speak specifically about some of 3205 02:42:47,920 --> 02:42:51,040 those things. But um uh really we just 3206 02:42:51,040 --> 02:42:52,479 we're just looking for council support 3207 02:42:52,479 --> 02:42:54,479 and then we can and if there's if there 3208 02:42:54,479 --> 02:42:56,160 are technical questions that are 3209 02:42:56,160 --> 02:42:58,240 required from for council to make their 3210 02:42:58,240 --> 02:42:59,680 decision, we can get those answers for 3211 02:42:59,680 --> 02:43:02,880 you. So with that, turn over to Kate. 3212 02:43:02,880 --> 02:43:06,080 >> Okay. Good morning. Um, so yeah, I'm 3213 02:43:06,080 --> 02:43:08,080 just going to go over their PowerPoint 3214 02:43:08,080 --> 02:43:10,880 and I have some speaking notes and we 3215 02:43:10,880 --> 02:43:12,479 will try our best to kind of answer the 3216 02:43:12,479 --> 02:43:14,479 questions and instead of kind of the 3217 02:43:14,479 --> 02:43:16,240 agenda item because they do kind of 3218 02:43:16,240 --> 02:43:19,520 duplicate a little bit. Um, so starting 3219 02:43:19,520 --> 02:43:22,720 on slide two. So the current system 3220 02:43:22,720 --> 02:43:25,760 condition. So the condition of the core 3221 02:43:25,760 --> 02:43:27,760 equipment like the compressors, pumps, 3222 02:43:27,760 --> 02:43:30,399 condens, condenser equipment, piping and 3223 02:43:30,399 --> 02:43:32,319 controls are all aging and the plant 3224 02:43:32,319 --> 02:43:33,840 requires ongoing maintenance and 3225 02:43:33,840 --> 02:43:35,680 operational workarounds to remain 3226 02:43:35,680 --> 02:43:39,040 functional. So another item that they 3227 02:43:39,040 --> 02:43:41,520 found deficient are the safety and code 3228 02:43:41,520 --> 02:43:43,600 related deficiencies. So the previous 3229 02:43:43,600 --> 02:43:46,560 assessments identified issues involving 3230 02:43:46,560 --> 02:43:49,040 ventilation, gas detection, emergency 3231 02:43:49,040 --> 02:43:51,200 system, signage, documentation, and 3232 02:43:51,200 --> 02:43:53,600 other machine room requirements. 3233 02:43:53,600 --> 02:43:55,760 And then the third point that they found 3234 02:43:55,760 --> 02:43:58,080 on the current condition is the system 3235 02:43:58,080 --> 02:44:00,399 is deteriorating. So there reported 3236 02:44:00,399 --> 02:44:02,720 condenser leaks, corrosion at pumps and 3237 02:44:02,720 --> 02:44:06,560 piping, brine and glycol quality issues, 3238 02:44:06,560 --> 02:44:08,560 uninsulated piping and concerns with 3239 02:44:08,560 --> 02:44:12,560 both the hockey and curling rinks flaps. 3240 02:44:12,560 --> 02:44:17,920 Um so then in the very tiny there is a 3241 02:44:17,920 --> 02:44:19,600 couple photos and those are from a 3242 02:44:19,600 --> 02:44:21,439 condition assessment that we got from 3243 02:44:21,439 --> 02:44:24,160 the village of Caroline. It wasn't for 3244 02:44:24,160 --> 02:44:25,920 them. 3245 02:44:25,920 --> 02:44:28,080 Um so they mentioned that the important 3246 02:44:28,080 --> 02:44:30,319 point is that no single deficiency by 3247 02:44:30,319 --> 02:44:32,800 itself drives the recommendation. It is 3248 02:44:32,800 --> 02:44:36,000 combined with age, deteriorating 3249 02:44:36,000 --> 02:44:38,160 components, operational workarounds and 3250 02:44:38,160 --> 02:44:39,920 code deficiencies that creates a 3251 02:44:39,920 --> 02:44:43,120 potential risk. So the PL plant does 3252 02:44:43,120 --> 02:44:46,160 remain operational. Um however they're 3253 02:44:46,160 --> 02:44:47,600 not suggesting that it needs to be shut 3254 02:44:47,600 --> 02:44:49,200 down immediately. However, there is 3255 02:44:49,200 --> 02:44:51,520 costs associated with reliability, 3256 02:44:51,520 --> 02:44:54,880 safety and continual operation are 3257 02:44:54,880 --> 02:44:56,479 increasing. 3258 02:44:56,479 --> 02:44:59,359 Okay. So slide three. 3259 02:44:59,359 --> 02:45:01,680 So it's the life cycle risk. Um so we 3260 02:45:01,680 --> 02:45:03,920 did ask what happens kind of we did 3261 02:45:03,920 --> 02:45:08,080 nothing. Um so there is not a defined 3262 02:45:08,080 --> 02:45:11,120 remaining years number. um they don't 3263 02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:14,479 know if it'll be one, two, five. Um all 3264 02:45:14,479 --> 02:45:16,319 that they can note is that it is beyond 3265 02:45:16,319 --> 02:45:18,880 the typical service life and therefore 3266 02:45:18,880 --> 02:45:22,319 probable issues of failure, retroactive 3267 02:45:22,319 --> 02:45:24,560 maintenance and operational disruption 3268 02:45:24,560 --> 02:45:27,200 increases with time. So today the system 3269 02:45:27,200 --> 02:45:30,319 is operating but there is deficiencies 3270 02:45:30,319 --> 02:45:33,760 um and in the near future there could be 3271 02:45:33,760 --> 02:45:35,840 maintenance um increased operator 3272 02:45:35,840 --> 02:45:37,920 attention and continued reliance on 3273 02:45:37,920 --> 02:45:41,910 existing workarounds. 3274 02:45:41,920 --> 02:45:44,479 Okay. And then page 3275 02:45:44,479 --> 02:45:46,560 slide four. 3276 02:45:46,560 --> 02:45:48,399 So we had them look at the maintenance 3277 02:45:48,399 --> 02:45:52,960 only approach. Um and it would buy time. 3278 02:45:52,960 --> 02:45:54,560 However, it's not going to extend the 3279 02:45:54,560 --> 02:45:57,279 life of the asset. Um so maintenance 3280 02:45:57,279 --> 02:46:00,560 does not reset the age of the equipment. 3281 02:46:00,560 --> 02:46:02,080 Um 3282 02:46:02,080 --> 02:46:04,080 and it does not eliminate the major code 3283 02:46:04,080 --> 02:46:06,319 upgrades that would be required for the 3284 02:46:06,319 --> 02:46:09,200 actual plant room in the building to be 3285 02:46:09,200 --> 02:46:11,040 modernized. It cannot guarantee 3286 02:46:11,040 --> 02:46:13,279 continual operation if the major 3287 02:46:13,279 --> 02:46:15,600 compressor, condenser, piping system or 3288 02:46:15,600 --> 02:46:18,080 other critical components fail. The 3289 02:46:18,080 --> 02:46:19,680 existing maintenance agreement is also 3290 02:46:19,680 --> 02:46:21,279 important to understand in its context. 3291 02:46:21,279 --> 02:46:22,800 that covers inspection and routine 3292 02:46:22,800 --> 02:46:25,040 maintenance activities, but significant 3293 02:46:25,040 --> 02:46:27,120 items such as compressor overhauls, 3294 02:46:27,120 --> 02:46:29,279 major repairs, refrigerant filters, 3295 02:46:29,279 --> 02:46:31,200 fluid replacement, and emergency work 3296 02:46:31,200 --> 02:46:33,120 are outside of the routine maintenance 3297 02:46:33,120 --> 02:46:37,670 scope. 3298 02:46:37,680 --> 02:46:39,359 So in other words, the maintenance can 3299 02:46:39,359 --> 02:46:41,760 buy time, but it does not create a full 3300 02:46:41,760 --> 02:46:45,040 life cycle for this plant. And then they 3301 02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:47,040 outline four points, what it can kind of 3302 02:46:47,040 --> 02:46:52,309 do and then what it cannot do. 3303 02:46:52,319 --> 02:46:54,479 So slide five. So the replacement 3304 02:46:54,479 --> 02:46:57,279 options were evaluated. 3305 02:46:57,279 --> 02:47:00,160 Um so they evaluated three options for 3306 02:47:00,160 --> 02:47:02,720 the refrigeration plant itself and then 3307 02:47:02,720 --> 02:47:07,200 two options for the plant room itself 3308 02:47:07,200 --> 02:47:10,640 and you would need option one plus 3309 02:47:10,640 --> 02:47:15,200 option A or B. Um so the first one 3310 02:47:15,200 --> 02:47:17,520 refrigeration option is a low charge 3311 02:47:17,520 --> 02:47:20,880 ammonia system with secondary brine. 3312 02:47:20,880 --> 02:47:23,359 So this is the high sufficiency strong 3313 02:47:23,359 --> 02:47:26,479 heat recovery and natural refrigerant. 3314 02:47:26,479 --> 02:47:29,680 So option two CO2 refrigeration with 3315 02:47:29,680 --> 02:47:32,560 secondary brine system. So this is low 3316 02:47:32,560 --> 02:47:35,200 toxicity cold climate potential and 3317 02:47:35,200 --> 02:47:38,240 higher complex and costs. And the third 3318 02:47:38,240 --> 02:47:41,359 is HFO refrigerant system. I'm not going 3319 02:47:41,359 --> 02:47:43,439 to even try and pronounce what HFO 3320 02:47:43,439 --> 02:47:45,359 stands for. However, it is in my agenda 3321 02:47:45,359 --> 02:47:49,600 item spelled out. Um, so this is similar 3322 02:47:49,600 --> 02:47:52,240 operation lower efficiencies and 3323 02:47:52,240 --> 02:47:54,560 regulatory uncertainty. 3324 02:47:54,560 --> 02:47:56,479 So each option was assessed against 3325 02:47:56,479 --> 02:47:58,640 safety, efficiency, capital costs, 3326 02:47:58,640 --> 02:48:01,040 serviceability, life cycle performance, 3327 02:48:01,040 --> 02:48:03,200 heat recovery capability, operational 3328 02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:05,120 requirements and regulatory 3329 02:48:05,120 --> 02:48:07,120 considerations. 3330 02:48:07,120 --> 02:48:08,800 Um, and then there was two option for 3331 02:48:08,800 --> 02:48:11,200 the plant rooms. So the first one was 3332 02:48:11,200 --> 02:48:13,680 rehabilitate the existing room. So it's 3333 02:48:13,680 --> 02:48:15,520 feasible but it requires substantial 3334 02:48:15,520 --> 02:48:18,000 reconstruction to achieve modern code 3335 02:48:18,000 --> 02:48:20,479 compliance. And the second one is the 3336 02:48:20,479 --> 02:48:22,880 pre-manufactured plant room which we 3337 02:48:22,880 --> 02:48:24,800 have also referred to as the skid 3338 02:48:24,800 --> 02:48:27,439 package like a skid unit. It would be 3339 02:48:27,439 --> 02:48:30,479 come in as another unit and would be set 3340 02:48:30,479 --> 02:48:33,600 outside the existing building. 3341 02:48:33,600 --> 02:48:36,399 If we do the pre-manufactured plant 3342 02:48:36,399 --> 02:48:40,000 room, we would have to decommission the 3343 02:48:40,000 --> 02:48:43,040 equipment within the existing plant room 3344 02:48:43,040 --> 02:48:45,680 itself and do some maintenance of the 3345 02:48:45,680 --> 02:48:47,200 building. So you need like the piping, 3346 02:48:47,200 --> 02:48:49,040 the HVAC, the electrical, all of that 3347 02:48:49,040 --> 02:48:54,870 tied in as well. 3348 02:48:54,880 --> 02:48:58,479 So then the costs. 3349 02:48:58,479 --> 02:49:00,720 So the cost comparison. So the 3350 02:49:00,720 --> 02:49:02,960 refrigeration system the estimated cost 3351 02:49:02,960 --> 02:49:04,880 for the low charge ammonia option is 3352 02:49:04,880 --> 02:49:08,479 approximately 2.8 million. Option two 3353 02:49:08,479 --> 02:49:12,800 for the CO2 and brine is approximately 5 3354 02:49:12,800 --> 02:49:16,080 3.53 million and the HFO option is 3355 02:49:16,080 --> 02:49:20,080 approximately 3.85 million. On top of 3356 02:49:20,080 --> 02:49:23,359 those costs, the plant room, 3357 02:49:23,359 --> 02:49:27,200 so the renovations or rehabilitation to 3358 02:49:27,200 --> 02:49:29,120 the existing plant room would be 3359 02:49:29,120 --> 02:49:31,920 approximately 980,000 3360 02:49:31,920 --> 02:49:33,760 while the pre-manufactured plant room is 3361 02:49:33,760 --> 02:49:37,040 approximately 1.15 million. So the 3362 02:49:37,040 --> 02:49:40,479 recommend recommended option combination 3363 02:49:40,479 --> 02:49:42,399 is the low charge ammonia plus a 3364 02:49:42,399 --> 02:49:45,359 pre-manufactured plant room and it 3365 02:49:45,359 --> 02:49:49,120 produces a cost of approximately 3.97 3366 02:49:49,120 --> 02:49:50,720 million. 3367 02:49:50,720 --> 02:49:53,200 So this is a class 3C estimate. So 3368 02:49:53,200 --> 02:49:54,960 detailed design, final equipment 3369 02:49:54,960 --> 02:49:56,399 selection, construction phasing, 3370 02:49:56,399 --> 02:49:58,000 marketing conditions and tender pricing 3371 02:49:58,000 --> 02:50:01,279 would refine this number. These are not 3372 02:50:01,279 --> 02:50:04,000 based on it's just based on the cost 3373 02:50:04,000 --> 02:50:08,160 estimate at this preliminary stage. 3374 02:50:08,160 --> 02:50:11,359 So fingers crossed it's less. However, 3375 02:50:11,359 --> 02:50:13,520 um and then the cost does not include 3376 02:50:13,520 --> 02:50:15,200 future replacement of the hockey or 3377 02:50:15,200 --> 02:50:17,840 curling ring slabs. So it was identified 3378 02:50:17,840 --> 02:50:19,680 when we did a walk through with the 3379 02:50:19,680 --> 02:50:21,200 current 3380 02:50:21,200 --> 02:50:23,680 maintenance staff that there potentially 3381 02:50:23,680 --> 02:50:26,880 could be the actual concrete slabs would 3382 02:50:26,880 --> 02:50:29,359 need upgrading in the future. 3383 02:50:29,359 --> 02:50:31,200 um we haven't done a test to have an 3384 02:50:31,200 --> 02:50:32,880 idea. However, it's something that we 3385 02:50:32,880 --> 02:50:34,479 will have to consider in capital budget 3386 02:50:34,479 --> 02:50:37,680 in the future. Um there is an option we 3387 02:50:37,680 --> 02:50:38,880 can go in and test them and it would 3388 02:50:38,880 --> 02:50:40,479 give us a better idea whether it's one 3389 02:50:40,479 --> 02:50:42,960 year away, 5 years away. Um but that's 3390 02:50:42,960 --> 02:50:44,960 not a part of this scope. So if that's 3391 02:50:44,960 --> 02:50:47,040 something additional that council would 3392 02:50:47,040 --> 02:50:49,920 like us to look into, potentially 27, um 3393 02:50:49,920 --> 02:50:56,309 we can come back with that as well. 3394 02:50:56,319 --> 02:51:00,560 Okay. So again, so their recommendation 3395 02:51:00,560 --> 02:51:02,640 um is a low charge ammonia refrigeration 3396 02:51:02,640 --> 02:51:04,720 system with a pre-manufactured plant 3397 02:51:04,720 --> 02:51:07,279 room. Um so from a performance 3398 02:51:07,279 --> 02:51:09,680 standpoint, ammonia retain remains 3399 02:51:09,680 --> 02:51:12,399 highly efficient for arena refrigeration 3400 02:51:12,399 --> 02:51:14,800 and performs well across the varying 3401 02:51:14,800 --> 02:51:16,800 load conditions created by the hockey 3402 02:51:16,800 --> 02:51:19,680 and curling rinks. It is well suited for 3403 02:51:19,680 --> 02:51:21,920 to heat recovery that provides 3404 02:51:21,920 --> 02:51:23,920 opportunities to recover refrigeration 3405 02:51:23,920 --> 02:51:26,000 heat for applications such as slab 3406 02:51:26,000 --> 02:51:28,399 heating and snow melt. The low charge 3407 02:51:28,399 --> 02:51:30,640 configuration reduces the total ammonia 3408 02:51:30,640 --> 02:51:32,880 inventory compared with traditional 3409 02:51:32,880 --> 02:51:34,720 ammonia plants while maintaining the 3410 02:51:34,720 --> 02:51:37,120 performance benefits of ammonia. The 3411 02:51:37,120 --> 02:51:39,120 pre-manufactured plant room is equally 3412 02:51:39,120 --> 02:51:41,359 important to the recommendation. It 3413 02:51:41,359 --> 02:51:43,359 allows the new refrigeration plant to be 3414 02:51:43,359 --> 02:51:45,600 housed in a purpose-built coal compliant 3415 02:51:45,600 --> 02:51:48,800 enclosure outside the occupied arena. It 3416 02:51:48,800 --> 02:51:50,960 reduces the risk to occupants, provide 3417 02:51:50,960 --> 02:51:52,560 better maintenance access, and allows 3418 02:51:52,560 --> 02:51:54,319 the refrigeration equipment to be 3419 02:51:54,319 --> 02:51:56,479 arranged around water and requirements 3420 02:51:56,479 --> 02:51:58,240 rather than forcing new equipment into 3421 02:51:58,240 --> 02:52:00,720 an older room. 3422 02:52:00,720 --> 02:52:03,600 Um, so overall, the combination provided 3423 02:52:03,600 --> 02:52:05,200 the best balance for performance, 3424 02:52:05,200 --> 02:52:07,040 safety, constructibility, maintenance, 3425 02:52:07,040 --> 02:52:10,640 and long-term value. 3426 02:52:10,640 --> 02:52:16,800 So, a couple kind of closing notes. Um, 3427 02:52:16,800 --> 02:52:19,120 so again, these are based on preliminary 3428 02:52:19,120 --> 02:52:22,080 numbers for 2027 cost. So, we do have 3429 02:52:22,080 --> 02:52:25,439 inflation in there. Um, they did a 3430 02:52:25,439 --> 02:52:27,680 design contingency as well as a 3431 02:52:27,680 --> 02:52:29,279 construction contingency within their 3432 02:52:29,279 --> 02:52:32,479 cost estimates. Um and then the detailed 3433 02:52:32,479 --> 02:52:34,960 design would confirm get more in depth 3434 02:52:34,960 --> 02:52:36,880 for the refrigeration capacity equipment 3435 02:52:36,880 --> 02:52:38,960 selection, operator requirements, plant 3436 02:52:38,960 --> 02:52:40,960 layout controls, heat recovery, 3437 02:52:40,960 --> 02:52:43,200 construction phasing and regulatory 3438 02:52:43,200 --> 02:52:44,880 coordination. 3439 02:52:44,880 --> 02:52:47,120 They do recommend like I mentioned to 3440 02:52:47,120 --> 02:52:49,439 testing the existing slab during the 3441 02:52:49,439 --> 02:52:51,520 next available shutdown um just because 3442 02:52:51,520 --> 02:52:54,640 it was brought up as a concern. However, 3443 02:52:54,640 --> 02:52:56,640 I don't have as much of the background, 3444 02:52:56,640 --> 02:52:58,080 which is something we can kind of look 3445 02:52:58,080 --> 02:53:03,439 into again in 2027 when there is no ice. 3446 02:53:03,439 --> 02:53:05,840 Um, 3447 02:53:05,840 --> 02:53:09,120 so that's kind of what we have and we 3448 02:53:09,120 --> 02:53:12,160 will try and answer some questions, but 3449 02:53:12,160 --> 02:53:14,960 as Eric mentioned, mechanical is not my 3450 02:53:14,960 --> 02:53:18,160 background either. And yeah, I'll open 3451 02:53:18,160 --> 02:53:20,319 it up to any questions. 3452 02:53:20,319 --> 02:53:22,000 Mr. Reglin, I'll open the floor up to 3453 02:53:22,000 --> 02:53:23,520 council for comments, questions, or 3454 02:53:23,520 --> 02:53:25,920 motion. Council Lewin, go ahead, please. 3455 02:53:25,920 --> 02:53:28,319 >> Um, what are the life expecties of these 3456 02:53:28,319 --> 02:53:32,550 three different machines? 3457 02:53:32,560 --> 02:53:34,560 » Like is one five years and the more 3458 02:53:34,560 --> 02:53:37,920 expensive one 25 years type thing or 3459 02:53:37,920 --> 02:53:40,160 >> my understanding and I can do further 3460 02:53:40,160 --> 02:53:41,760 research, they would have approximately 3461 02:53:41,760 --> 02:53:43,600 the same life expectancy and I'm 3462 02:53:43,600 --> 02:53:46,080 thinking it's 40 to 50 years. 3463 02:53:46,080 --> 02:53:48,640 >> 40 to 50 years. Okay. 3464 02:53:48,640 --> 02:53:51,520 And uh regardless of which machine we 3465 02:53:51,520 --> 02:53:55,359 pick um there has to be new piping and 3466 02:53:55,359 --> 02:53:58,240 renovations in there anyway, doesn't it? 3467 02:53:58,240 --> 02:53:59,840 >> Correct. For any upgrade. Yes. 3468 02:53:59,840 --> 02:54:01,439 >> Yeah. 3469 02:54:01,439 --> 02:54:05,590 Okay. Thank you. 3470 02:54:05,600 --> 02:54:08,640 » Deputy Reef McKay. Go ahead. 3471 02:54:08,640 --> 02:54:10,479 >> Thank you. 3472 02:54:10,479 --> 02:54:13,200 Oh. 3473 02:54:13,200 --> 02:54:15,120 Um, 3474 02:54:15,120 --> 02:54:17,520 I was looking through the high level 3475 02:54:17,520 --> 02:54:19,680 cost estimate and now I can't find it 3476 02:54:19,680 --> 02:54:20,720 for some reason. I was looking through 3477 02:54:20,720 --> 02:54:23,520 this last night 3478 02:54:23,520 --> 02:54:25,520 and it it seemed to me that this 3479 02:54:25,520 --> 02:54:28,240 estimate was significantly more than 3480 02:54:28,240 --> 02:54:31,439 Propax. Now, I realized with Propax, it 3481 02:54:31,439 --> 02:54:33,600 didn't include controls, electrical, 3482 02:54:33,600 --> 02:54:35,840 things like that. But when you broke all 3483 02:54:35,840 --> 02:54:38,640 of that out, this estimate was still 3484 02:54:38,640 --> 02:54:40,479 well over a million dollars more than 3485 02:54:40,479 --> 02:54:45,520 Propacks. Now, did we go back to Propac 3486 02:54:45,520 --> 02:54:50,240 as well or just this uh M 3487 02:54:50,240 --> 02:54:52,399 CW? 3488 02:54:52,399 --> 02:54:53,600 >> Director Hansen, go ahead. 3489 02:54:53,600 --> 02:54:55,760 >> Yeah. No, thank you. Um, so we didn't 3490 02:54:55,760 --> 02:55:00,319 think it was appropriate to go back to Propac um just because, you know, 3491 02:55:00,319 --> 02:55:01,600 they've been asked for a price, they 3492 02:55:01,600 --> 02:55:03,600 submitted that. Uh we provided that 3493 02:55:03,600 --> 02:55:06,319 information to our consultants um and 3494 02:55:06,319 --> 02:55:09,600 they provide us a list of um of the 3495 02:55:09,600 --> 02:55:13,040 exclusions that they claim that were not included in the original 3496 02:55:13,040 --> 02:55:15,680 estimate. Um even when I look at their 3497 02:55:15,680 --> 02:55:18,800 list, I I I agree. Um I said I do have 3498 02:55:18,800 --> 02:55:20,800 some concerns about their estimate. Uh 3499 02:55:20,800 --> 02:55:23,200 we I I did kind of brief council on this 3500 02:55:23,200 --> 02:55:25,359 before about the use of cost consultants 3501 02:55:25,359 --> 02:55:28,240 and it seems to be the um the cost 3502 02:55:28,240 --> 02:55:31,040 escalation that that that includes. Um 3503 02:55:31,040 --> 02:55:33,040 really I guess the only thing the 3504 02:55:33,040 --> 02:55:34,720 assurance I can give council today is 3505 02:55:34,720 --> 02:55:36,640 that is to not focus so much on the 3506 02:55:36,640 --> 02:55:39,680 price as in that yes we we do realize 3507 02:55:39,680 --> 02:55:40,880 that it's going to be more than the $2 3508 02:55:40,880 --> 02:55:42,560 million you know and that's that's what 3509 02:55:42,560 --> 02:55:45,760 we've set forward in budget. Um this 3510 02:55:45,760 --> 02:55:47,760 consultant is has indicated upwards of 3511 02:55:47,760 --> 02:55:50,160 3.9. I still believe you know with the 3512 02:55:50,160 --> 02:55:52,479 contingency amounts and the and the um 3513 02:55:52,479 --> 02:55:54,160 the type of work that they've identified 3514 02:55:54,160 --> 02:55:55,840 as the things that weren't included 3515 02:55:55,840 --> 02:55:58,080 still do not equate to an additional $2 3516 02:55:58,080 --> 02:56:01,040 million. Um so I I project that we are 3517 02:56:01,040 --> 02:56:02,319 going to see some cost savings through 3518 02:56:02,319 --> 02:56:04,880 the detailed design process and that 3519 02:56:04,880 --> 02:56:07,120 detailed design process may include this 3520 02:56:07,120 --> 02:56:10,479 engineer. It may include a design build 3521 02:56:10,479 --> 02:56:14,240 um um relation with one of the standing 3522 02:56:14,240 --> 02:56:17,920 offers that we have with with RMA. This 3523 02:56:17,920 --> 02:56:21,200 was really for more of the case of the 3524 02:56:21,200 --> 02:56:23,520 um the condition assessment and that's 3525 02:56:23,520 --> 02:56:24,880 really what they they were brought in to 3526 02:56:24,880 --> 02:56:26,560 do and they were they were brought in to 3527 02:56:26,560 --> 02:56:29,359 provide the the cost estimate as well. 3528 02:56:29,359 --> 02:56:32,319 Um now if they truly believe that that 3529 02:56:32,319 --> 02:56:34,640 is is the cost you know and this in 3530 02:56:34,640 --> 02:56:36,880 their industry professional opinion then 3531 02:56:36,880 --> 02:56:38,399 we have to take that and we challenge 3532 02:56:38,399 --> 02:56:40,640 them on that as well. Um our decision 3533 02:56:40,640 --> 02:56:42,240 moving forward would be to take that 3534 02:56:42,240 --> 02:56:44,000 recommendation and whether we we 3535 02:56:44,000 --> 02:56:46,640 continue on that path using the as our 3536 02:56:46,640 --> 02:56:48,800 engineer on record to continue to assist 3537 02:56:48,800 --> 02:56:51,520 us with this program or we decide to go 3538 02:56:51,520 --> 02:56:54,160 with a uh a different approach. Uh but I 3539 02:56:54,160 --> 02:56:55,600 still think it's important that you know 3540 02:56:55,600 --> 02:56:57,279 there it was identified as a concern 3541 02:56:57,279 --> 02:56:58,880 early on that there was a list of 3542 02:56:58,880 --> 02:57:00,479 exclusions that weren't improve that 3543 02:57:00,479 --> 02:57:01,520 weren't included in the original 3544 02:57:01,520 --> 02:57:03,200 estimate. So, we do know that's going to 3545 02:57:03,200 --> 02:57:05,680 be more than $2 million, but our path 3546 02:57:05,680 --> 02:57:07,279 moving forward into detailed design, 3547 02:57:07,279 --> 02:57:09,200 there's still some options on the table 3548 02:57:09,200 --> 02:57:11,680 to get a better handle of to try to see 3549 02:57:11,680 --> 02:57:13,279 some more cost savings outside of this 3550 02:57:13,279 --> 02:57:16,790 engineering report. 3551 02:57:16,800 --> 02:57:18,319 » Thank you. 3552 02:57:18,319 --> 02:57:21,680 Uh secondly, just with regards to the 3553 02:57:21,680 --> 02:57:23,920 placement of 3554 02:57:23,920 --> 02:57:26,640 the new building, 3555 02:57:26,640 --> 02:57:29,600 are we going to be able to get by that 3556 02:57:29,600 --> 02:57:31,680 structure in behind there or is it going 3557 02:57:31,680 --> 02:57:34,479 to completely block off that access? 3558 02:57:34,479 --> 02:57:37,840 >> Yeah, great catch. It was uh we we 3559 02:57:37,840 --> 02:57:39,040 noticed that as well. They actually had 3560 02:57:39,040 --> 02:57:41,760 it on the exterior of the most the 3561 02:57:41,760 --> 02:57:44,240 farthest jut out there there is to the 3562 02:57:44,240 --> 02:57:46,399 west. Um there are other there looks 3563 02:57:46,399 --> 02:57:47,600 like there's other opportunities to be 3564 02:57:47,600 --> 02:57:51,279 able to to bring that unit around. Um so 3565 02:57:51,279 --> 02:57:54,399 um there again through a a preliminary 3566 02:57:54,399 --> 02:57:56,319 engineering sketch that they provided. 3567 02:57:56,319 --> 02:57:57,600 That's certainly where we wouldn't want 3568 02:57:57,600 --> 02:58:00,160 it. We'd want it to be um tucked around 3569 02:58:00,160 --> 02:58:02,240 the corner. So to try to 3570 02:58:02,240 --> 02:58:05,040 >> minimize any impact as that is a narrow 3571 02:58:05,040 --> 02:58:06,720 alleyway as it is today. We wouldn't 3572 02:58:06,720 --> 02:58:08,080 want to impact that any more than we'd 3573 02:58:08,080 --> 02:58:09,439 have to. 3574 02:58:09,439 --> 02:58:13,279 >> Okay. You're already on it. Thank you. 3575 02:58:13,279 --> 02:58:16,160 >> Councelor McCauley. Go ahead. 3576 02:58:16,160 --> 02:58:17,840 >> Does the I'm just I was reading through 3577 02:58:17,840 --> 02:58:20,720 this and it was the employee or the the 3578 02:58:20,720 --> 02:58:23,439 requirements were mentioning that they 3579 02:58:23,439 --> 02:58:25,359 possibly having someone that would be 3580 02:58:25,359 --> 02:58:28,080 certified with those plants or like a 3581 02:58:28,080 --> 02:58:30,960 power mechanic. Does the does the 3582 02:58:30,960 --> 02:58:32,479 current facility have that same 3583 02:58:32,479 --> 02:58:35,040 requirement 3584 02:58:35,040 --> 02:58:37,760 >> for the ice plant operator? Mhm. 3585 02:58:37,760 --> 02:58:39,920 >> Actually, I have I'm not sure from an 3586 02:58:39,920 --> 02:58:41,439 operation standpoint what those 3587 02:58:41,439 --> 02:58:43,520 requirements are for a ice plant 3588 02:58:43,520 --> 02:58:44,880 operator. It's something that hasn't 3589 02:58:44,880 --> 02:58:46,399 fell in our wheelhouse before as an 3590 02:58:46,399 --> 02:58:47,680 operator. 3591 02:58:47,680 --> 02:58:49,040 >> I was just I was reading through what 3592 02:58:49,040 --> 02:58:50,720 was what it had in here and I was just 3593 02:58:50,720 --> 02:58:52,720 curious if the current facility they 3594 02:58:52,720 --> 02:58:54,960 have are they required to have the same 3595 02:58:54,960 --> 02:58:58,000 sort of require or power mechanic that's 3596 02:58:58,000 --> 02:59:03,040 certified with the ammon plants. 3597 02:59:03,040 --> 02:59:04,399 >> I'm I'm sure there's some type of 3598 02:59:04,399 --> 02:59:05,680 certification there. you wouldn't want 3599 02:59:05,680 --> 02:59:07,279 anybody to be operating a system like 3600 02:59:07,279 --> 02:59:09,040 this. There's some there's some high 3601 02:59:09,040 --> 02:59:11,359 danger components um in an ice plant 3602 02:59:11,359 --> 02:59:12,800 that has could have some serious 3603 02:59:12,800 --> 02:59:14,479 ramifications. So, I'm assuming some 3604 02:59:14,479 --> 02:59:16,319 type of certification. I believe that is 3605 02:59:16,319 --> 02:59:18,880 contracted out. The the ice making is is 3606 02:59:18,880 --> 02:59:20,720 used by a contractor from the egg 3607 02:59:20,720 --> 02:59:23,840 services egg sorry egg services. 3608 02:59:23,840 --> 02:59:25,680 >> Just I was just curious for you. That's 3609 02:59:25,680 --> 02:59:26,240 all. Thank you. 3610 02:59:26,240 --> 02:59:30,870 >> You bet. Nice. 3611 02:59:30,880 --> 02:59:33,040 So there again, I'm really um just 3612 02:59:33,040 --> 02:59:34,640 looking for council support to to keep 3613 02:59:34,640 --> 02:59:35,920 moving forward with this project. I want 3614 02:59:35,920 --> 02:59:38,479 to make you well aware. Again, um um I 3615 02:59:38,479 --> 02:59:40,640 apologize for not having the um the 3616 02:59:40,640 --> 02:59:42,080 consultants, engineers. I was hoping to 3617 02:59:42,080 --> 02:59:43,920 get them in front of you. I really was. 3618 02:59:43,920 --> 02:59:47,520 Um but uh so we just wanted to we you've 3619 02:59:47,520 --> 02:59:49,040 been waiting for this report for a long 3620 02:59:49,040 --> 02:59:50,960 time. Um it's come to a critical point 3621 02:59:50,960 --> 02:59:52,720 there in the relationship, I think, in 3622 02:59:52,720 --> 02:59:54,640 with Caroline, and we didn't want to 3623 02:59:54,640 --> 02:59:57,279 wait any longer. Um we will be 3624 02:59:57,279 --> 02:59:58,880 discussing this again during the 3625 02:59:58,880 --> 03:00:01,040 September 21st strategic planning 3626 03:00:01,040 --> 03:00:02,560 meeting there as we're doing our 3627 03:00:02,560 --> 03:00:05,120 priority um list you know where this 3628 03:00:05,120 --> 03:00:07,840 falls on the priorities scale um from a 3629 03:00:07,840 --> 03:00:09,840 condition perspective it's very high 3630 03:00:09,840 --> 03:00:12,080 from from our recommendation. So uh we 3631 03:00:12,080 --> 03:00:13,279 just want to be prepared. We've 3632 03:00:13,279 --> 03:00:15,359 identified you know that um throughout 3633 03:00:15,359 --> 03:00:16,880 the year we've put some additional 3634 03:00:16,880 --> 03:00:18,960 funding in the Caroline restricted 3635 03:00:18,960 --> 03:00:21,120 surplus to try to deal with some of this 3636 03:00:21,120 --> 03:00:23,600 aging infrastructure. So, uh, we really 3637 03:00:23,600 --> 03:00:25,439 look forward to having, uh, more 3638 03:00:25,439 --> 03:00:27,279 discussion at at the future strategic 3639 03:00:27,279 --> 03:00:30,000 plan session. Um, but there was a 3640 03:00:30,000 --> 03:00:31,760 recommendation. 3641 03:00:31,760 --> 03:00:33,359 Um, 3642 03:00:33,359 --> 03:00:34,560 maybe Kate, do you want to walk through 3643 03:00:34,560 --> 03:00:38,070 the 3644 03:00:38,080 --> 03:00:39,920 » can do that? 3645 03:00:39,920 --> 03:00:43,200 So the options to consider is continue 3646 03:00:43,200 --> 03:00:45,120 with ongoing maintenance of the existing 3647 03:00:45,120 --> 03:00:47,840 plant or upgrade the refrigeration 3648 03:00:47,840 --> 03:00:50,000 system and plant room to a low charge 3649 03:00:50,000 --> 03:00:51,760 ammonia and brine system with 3650 03:00:51,760 --> 03:00:54,319 pre-manufactured plant. As we mentioned 3651 03:00:54,319 --> 03:00:56,800 as a condition public works we do feel 3652 03:00:56,800 --> 03:00:59,120 it's high on the priority list. However, 3653 03:00:59,120 --> 03:01:01,520 we will go over kind of the Caroline 3654 03:01:01,520 --> 03:01:04,560 restricted surplus and wherever it falls 3655 03:01:04,560 --> 03:01:07,200 within council's priorities. Um so our 3656 03:01:07,200 --> 03:01:10,000 recommendation is to proceed with the 3657 03:01:10,000 --> 03:01:11,920 upgrade to the existing plant with the 3658 03:01:11,920 --> 03:01:13,760 low charge ammonia and brine system with 3659 03:01:13,760 --> 03:01:17,439 pre-manufactured plant. 3660 03:01:17,439 --> 03:01:20,240 >> Thank you Mr. Ren. Um councelor Powell. 3661 03:01:20,240 --> 03:01:21,200 Go ahead. 3662 03:01:21,200 --> 03:01:24,880 >> I was just going to make the motion um 3663 03:01:24,880 --> 03:01:26,880 to upgrade the existing plant with the 3664 03:01:26,880 --> 03:01:28,560 low charge ammonia and brine system with 3665 03:01:28,560 --> 03:01:31,439 a pre-manufacture plant um as staff 3666 03:01:31,439 --> 03:01:32,720 recommendations. 3667 03:01:32,720 --> 03:01:33,760 >> Okay. Thank you for the motion. 3668 03:01:33,760 --> 03:01:35,279 Councelor Pal. I do have one question 3669 03:01:35,279 --> 03:01:37,600 for administration. Will there be any uh 3670 03:01:37,600 --> 03:01:40,080 earthworks required or ashvault or 3671 03:01:40,080 --> 03:01:43,680 paving that would be needed with the 3672 03:01:43,680 --> 03:01:46,000 installation of a potential new 3673 03:01:46,000 --> 03:01:47,840 pre-manufactured plant? 3674 03:01:47,840 --> 03:01:50,640 >> There will be minor site works just 3675 03:01:50,640 --> 03:01:52,479 where the building is going itself. 3676 03:01:52,479 --> 03:01:54,640 However, it is a flat area. So, we don't 3677 03:01:54,640 --> 03:01:57,840 see it as high cost and not ashvault as 3678 03:01:57,840 --> 03:01:59,040 far as I'm aware. 3679 03:01:59,040 --> 03:02:00,800 >> Okay. Yeah. With the current surface is 3680 03:02:00,800 --> 03:02:02,240 ashvault at this time. I just wasn't 3681 03:02:02,240 --> 03:02:03,279 sure if any of that was going to be 3682 03:02:03,279 --> 03:02:05,279 disturbed or if that was if anything was 3683 03:02:05,279 --> 03:02:06,000 going to be 3684 03:02:06,000 --> 03:02:07,520 >> It is going in the back where it's 3685 03:02:07,520 --> 03:02:09,120 gravel right now. 3686 03:02:09,120 --> 03:02:10,160 >> There's paper. 3687 03:02:10,160 --> 03:02:12,000 >> It's paid back there on the alley. Oh, 3688 03:02:12,000 --> 03:02:13,120 sorry. My apologies. 3689 03:02:13,120 --> 03:02:14,319 >> I drive back there quite a bit. 3690 03:02:14,319 --> 03:02:16,640 >> Okay. I have not been for a few months. 3691 03:02:16,640 --> 03:02:18,640 >> That's okay. Uh, Director Hansen. 3692 03:02:18,640 --> 03:02:21,520 >> Yeah. So, I um unbeknown to me, I 3693 03:02:21,520 --> 03:02:23,279 actually thought it would be um the skid 3694 03:02:23,279 --> 03:02:24,960 unit would actually be like a drop off 3695 03:02:24,960 --> 03:02:26,800 skid unit. Um likely it would be on a 3696 03:02:26,800 --> 03:02:29,359 pile system and you know, which makes 3697 03:02:29,359 --> 03:02:30,960 sense. you don't you don't want it to to 3698 03:02:30,960 --> 03:02:34,000 go anywhere, right? So, uh so likely um 3699 03:02:34,000 --> 03:02:37,760 you know a a pile system for the uh the 3700 03:02:37,760 --> 03:02:41,920 revision unit as well as the um there 3701 03:02:41,920 --> 03:02:43,439 was the other component as well that's 3702 03:02:43,439 --> 03:02:48,319 sitting up on the stand and I it's the name is uh 3703 03:02:48,319 --> 03:02:50,319 the fluid cooler I believe. So there 3704 03:02:50,319 --> 03:02:51,840 might be actually two components 3705 03:02:51,840 --> 03:02:53,840 actually need additional piles um 3706 03:02:53,840 --> 03:02:55,520 depending on what could be salvageable 3707 03:02:55,520 --> 03:02:57,600 from the existing one. Um but there are 3708 03:02:57,600 --> 03:02:59,120 like likely two components there which 3709 03:02:59,120 --> 03:03:01,840 is I say a a piling system there for a 3710 03:03:01,840 --> 03:03:04,560 foundation and then the piping into the 3711 03:03:04,560 --> 03:03:06,399 building. Um there is there's going to 3712 03:03:06,399 --> 03:03:08,880 be some risk with the um decommissioning 3713 03:03:08,880 --> 03:03:11,200 of the old system because you know as we 3714 03:03:11,200 --> 03:03:13,840 do a hazardous materials inspection. Um 3715 03:03:13,840 --> 03:03:14,880 you never know what you're going to come 3716 03:03:14,880 --> 03:03:17,680 across on a building of that age. Um but 3717 03:03:17,680 --> 03:03:20,000 hopefully it's not that that old that 3718 03:03:20,000 --> 03:03:22,479 there should be that much risk. But um 3719 03:03:22,479 --> 03:03:25,200 vermiculite, you know, um lead paint, 3720 03:03:25,200 --> 03:03:27,279 the typical, but I don't think there's 3721 03:03:27,279 --> 03:03:29,279 there we're going to stay away from the 3722 03:03:29,279 --> 03:03:31,439 a word. I don't know that there'll be a 3723 03:03:31,439 --> 03:03:33,279 lot of that. 3724 03:03:33,279 --> 03:03:34,720 >> Okay. No, thank you very much, Director 3725 03:03:34,720 --> 03:03:36,080 Hansen. I just wanted to see if I just 3726 03:03:36,080 --> 03:03:37,439 wanted to double check with the 3727 03:03:37,439 --> 03:03:39,840 potential just shy of $4 million 3728 03:03:39,840 --> 03:03:42,240 manufacturer plant that if there was any 3729 03:03:42,240 --> 03:03:44,479 considerable earthworks that may be 3730 03:03:44,479 --> 03:03:46,240 needed, but uh it's not sounding like 3731 03:03:46,240 --> 03:03:48,640 that will be a thing that may come arise 3732 03:03:48,640 --> 03:03:50,800 in the future. Having said that, 3733 03:03:50,800 --> 03:03:52,640 councelor Lewin, go ahead. 3734 03:03:52,640 --> 03:03:56,160 >> Yeah. Um, 3735 03:03:56,160 --> 03:03:59,680 Eric, he said it be going on piles 3736 03:03:59,680 --> 03:04:02,080 this plant. Yes. Okay. Has anybody done 3737 03:04:02,080 --> 03:04:03,600 a line locate to see what kind of lines 3738 03:04:03,600 --> 03:04:05,520 are running back there? If we impressed 3739 03:04:05,520 --> 03:04:08,080 with the area space. 3740 03:04:08,080 --> 03:04:10,960 >> Um, not yet. So, this this is being as 3741 03:04:10,960 --> 03:04:12,720 it's just a preliminary design phase. 3742 03:04:12,720 --> 03:04:14,880 You know, once we have that support, um, 3743 03:04:14,880 --> 03:04:16,960 absolutely we'll be doing location uh 3744 03:04:16,960 --> 03:04:18,560 locates. our operations team would 3745 03:04:18,560 --> 03:04:21,439 wouldn't appreciate us if we put a a 3746 03:04:21,439 --> 03:04:22,399 pile through one of their 3747 03:04:22,399 --> 03:04:23,520 >> They're saying if it's covered with 3748 03:04:23,520 --> 03:04:24,800 lines buried underneath there, it's 3749 03:04:24,800 --> 03:04:26,080 going to be hard to set it up there. 3750 03:04:26,080 --> 03:04:27,920 >> No, absolutely. And um you know, there's 3751 03:04:27,920 --> 03:04:29,359 there could be other options, you know, 3752 03:04:29,359 --> 03:04:32,880 even like a a uh a shallow uh concrete 3753 03:04:32,880 --> 03:04:35,279 pad if if for some reason that we 3754 03:04:35,279 --> 03:04:37,120 weren't able to get piles in the ground, 3755 03:04:37,120 --> 03:04:39,279 you know, and then do a cost comparison 3756 03:04:39,279 --> 03:04:41,279 for the other or one to the other. 3757 03:04:41,279 --> 03:04:41,840 >> Thank you. 3758 03:04:41,840 --> 03:04:42,640 >> You bet. 3759 03:04:42,640 --> 03:04:45,120 >> Deputy Brief McKay, go ahead. 3760 03:04:45,120 --> 03:04:46,720 >> Thanks. One thing we didn't really talk 3761 03:04:46,720 --> 03:04:49,920 about is the amount of downtime. 3762 03:04:49,920 --> 03:04:52,160 It was there any study involved with 3763 03:04:52,160 --> 03:04:54,319 that where, you know, we have to shut in 3764 03:04:54,319 --> 03:04:57,520 the old plant, do our piping tie-ins. Is 3765 03:04:57,520 --> 03:05:01,359 that a week, a month? 3766 03:05:01,359 --> 03:05:04,080 What are we talking for 3767 03:05:04,080 --> 03:05:05,279 delay there? 3768 03:05:05,279 --> 03:05:07,040 >> Yeah. And we're hoping that there would 3769 03:05:07,040 --> 03:05:09,040 be no interruption in any of the 3770 03:05:09,040 --> 03:05:10,960 programs for ice. So we would be, you 3771 03:05:10,960 --> 03:05:13,040 know, if we're as we we're just coming 3772 03:05:13,040 --> 03:05:14,800 into hockey season right now, if we get 3773 03:05:14,800 --> 03:05:16,960 the detailed design completed, procure 3774 03:05:16,960 --> 03:05:18,800 the equipment so that we have it here on 3775 03:05:18,800 --> 03:05:23,040 site and even if the um the idea would 3776 03:05:23,040 --> 03:05:24,080 be that the plant can still be 3777 03:05:24,080 --> 03:05:25,680 operational while we're especially if 3778 03:05:25,680 --> 03:05:27,840 we're going to use a um a skid unit, 3779 03:05:27,840 --> 03:05:30,000 which is a fully contained unit that so 3780 03:05:30,000 --> 03:05:33,600 the changeover should be um quick. you 3781 03:05:33,600 --> 03:05:34,960 know, everything all every all the 3782 03:05:34,960 --> 03:05:36,560 mechanical electric should be in place 3783 03:05:36,560 --> 03:05:38,240 and be nothing more than than switching 3784 03:05:38,240 --> 03:05:40,080 over the the parent piping out of the 3785 03:05:40,080 --> 03:05:42,880 building. So, we're we're hoping for 3786 03:05:42,880 --> 03:05:45,760 zero disruption to programming. 3787 03:05:45,760 --> 03:05:47,200 >> Okay, because that plant is shut down 3788 03:05:47,200 --> 03:05:52,230 typically June and July 3789 03:05:52,240 --> 03:05:53,520 » May, June, summer's 3790 03:05:53,520 --> 03:05:56,080 >> May, June. So again, it's not going to 3791 03:05:56,080 --> 03:05:58,640 guarantee there will be no delays or no 3792 03:05:58,640 --> 03:06:00,560 it's it's not a I've never done ice 3793 03:06:00,560 --> 03:06:03,040 plant before but you know as we set out 3794 03:06:03,040 --> 03:06:05,120 what our goals are and that's that's why 3795 03:06:05,120 --> 03:06:06,880 we are recommending to go with the with 3796 03:06:06,880 --> 03:06:09,200 the skid unit is that it should be just 3797 03:06:09,200 --> 03:06:11,760 you know a changeover and it should be 3798 03:06:11,760 --> 03:06:12,960 short. 3799 03:06:12,960 --> 03:06:14,479 >> Okay, sounds like there's been 3800 03:06:14,479 --> 03:06:16,399 considerations taken. Thank you. Okay. 3801 03:06:16,399 --> 03:06:18,080 So, we have a motion uh from councelor 3802 03:06:18,080 --> 03:06:19,520 Powell that council direct 3803 03:06:19,520 --> 03:06:20,560 administration to upgrade the 3804 03:06:20,560 --> 03:06:22,240 refrigeration system and plant room to a 3805 03:06:22,240 --> 03:06:25,279 low charge ammonia NH3 and Brian system 3806 03:06:25,279 --> 03:06:28,319 with a pre-manufactured plant. That is 3807 03:06:28,319 --> 03:06:29,439 official motion on the floor from 3808 03:06:29,439 --> 03:06:31,439 councelor Powell. Seeing no further 3809 03:06:31,439 --> 03:06:33,840 discussion call the question. All those 3810 03:06:33,840 --> 03:06:35,840 in favor 3811 03:06:35,840 --> 03:06:37,680 and that motion is supported unanimously 3812 03:06:37,680 --> 03:06:39,359 by council. At this time I'm just going 3813 03:06:39,359 --> 03:19:42,229 to call a short fivem minute break. 3814 03:19:42,239 --> 03:19:44,720 Welcome back after our short break here 3815 03:19:44,720 --> 03:19:46,880 um to the regular council meeting for 3816 03:19:46,880 --> 03:19:49,920 Clearwater County August 25th, 2026. 3817 03:19:49,920 --> 03:19:51,760 We're going to move into uh items under 3818 03:19:51,760 --> 03:19:53,359 new business, which is we had an 3819 03:19:53,359 --> 03:19:56,399 addition this morning under item 5.3 3820 03:19:56,399 --> 03:19:58,640 regarding the Coupney Plains Ecological 3821 03:19:58,640 --> 03:20:00,239 Reserve. 3822 03:20:00,239 --> 03:20:01,760 I'd like to open up the floor for 3823 03:20:01,760 --> 03:20:03,120 discussion. 3824 03:20:03,120 --> 03:20:05,680 on this item. If not, I do have a 3825 03:20:05,680 --> 03:20:07,600 proposed motions for council's 3826 03:20:07,600 --> 03:20:09,760 consideration 3827 03:20:09,760 --> 03:20:11,600 and I'll I'll proceed to make a motion 3828 03:20:11,600 --> 03:20:14,399 as I'm seeing no counselors are 3829 03:20:14,399 --> 03:20:16,399 have any indication of speaking at this 3830 03:20:16,399 --> 03:20:18,640 time. So, I move that uh council direct 3831 03:20:18,640 --> 03:20:20,880 administration to draft a letter 3832 03:20:20,880 --> 03:20:25,429 requesting an impact assessment 3833 03:20:25,439 --> 03:20:28,319 regarding and impact assessment and 3834 03:20:28,319 --> 03:20:29,600 clarification from the Ministry of 3835 03:20:29,600 --> 03:20:32,080 Forestry and Parks regarding the 3836 03:20:32,080 --> 03:20:34,319 disestablishment of the Coupney Plains 3837 03:20:34,319 --> 03:20:37,200 Ecological Reserve and the transitioning 3838 03:20:37,200 --> 03:20:42,710 of those lands to a provincial park. 3839 03:20:42,720 --> 03:20:49,510 Were 3840 03:20:49,520 --> 03:20:51,040 you able to capture that motion, Miss 3841 03:20:51,040 --> 03:20:53,040 Thompson? 3842 03:20:53,040 --> 03:20:54,800 >> Okay. 3843 03:20:54,800 --> 03:20:56,399 Move that council direct administration 3844 03:20:56,399 --> 03:21:00,080 to draft a letter 3845 03:21:00,080 --> 03:21:02,880 requesting an impact assessment 3846 03:21:02,880 --> 03:21:05,200 and clarification 3847 03:21:05,200 --> 03:21:09,040 from the Ministry of Forestry and Parks 3848 03:21:09,040 --> 03:21:11,439 regarding the disestablishment 3849 03:21:11,439 --> 03:21:16,560 of the Coupney Plains Ecological Reserve 3850 03:21:16,560 --> 03:21:19,279 and the transitioning of those lands to 3851 03:21:19,279 --> 03:21:22,560 a provincial park. 3852 03:21:22,560 --> 03:21:24,239 Okay, Miss Thompson has that motion 3853 03:21:24,239 --> 03:21:26,399 captured. Are there any discussions on 3854 03:21:26,399 --> 03:21:29,359 the on the motion on the floor? Deputy 3855 03:21:29,359 --> 03:21:31,920 Ree McKay, go ahead, please. Thanks. 3856 03:21:31,920 --> 03:21:34,800 Would it be possible to uh add to that 3857 03:21:34,800 --> 03:21:36,399 letter 3858 03:21:36,399 --> 03:21:39,040 some clarification regard and I'm just 3859 03:21:39,040 --> 03:21:41,520 going to refer to the public notice that 3860 03:21:41,520 --> 03:21:43,279 was provided in the mountaineer 3861 03:21:43,279 --> 03:21:44,800 newspaper 3862 03:21:44,800 --> 03:21:47,600 and they state that some of the current 3863 03:21:47,600 --> 03:21:50,479 uses in Cney Plains Ecological Reserve 3864 03:21:50,479 --> 03:21:52,479 are incompatible with the site's current 3865 03:21:52,479 --> 03:21:54,960 classification. So within that letter, 3866 03:21:54,960 --> 03:21:57,040 could we also request some clarification 3867 03:21:57,040 --> 03:22:03,030 as to what exactly those uses are? 3868 03:22:03,040 --> 03:22:05,840 and what exactly the future intended 3869 03:22:05,840 --> 03:22:09,830 uses would be. 3870 03:22:09,840 --> 03:22:11,600 » So that could be captured within the 3871 03:22:11,600 --> 03:22:14,239 clarification the the impact assessment 3872 03:22:14,239 --> 03:22:16,880 and clarification section but uh we 3873 03:22:16,880 --> 03:22:18,640 could expand potentially on that motion. 3874 03:22:18,640 --> 03:22:28,950 Miss Thompson. 3875 03:22:28,960 --> 03:22:31,680 » Okay. Motion is captured. 3876 03:22:31,680 --> 03:22:33,040 Is there any further discussion on this 3877 03:22:33,040 --> 03:22:35,279 item? Seeing none, I'll call the 3878 03:22:35,279 --> 03:22:38,000 question. All those in favor? 3879 03:22:38,000 --> 03:22:39,840 And that motion is supported unanimously 3880 03:22:39,840 --> 03:22:43,670 by council. 3881 03:22:43,680 --> 03:22:44,960 At this time, we're going to take a 3882 03:22:44,960 --> 03:22:47,840 recess till first. We'll return at 3883 03:22:47,840 --> 04:02:20,229 12:35. 3884 04:02:20,239 --> 04:02:22,720 Hey, we're good. Okay, welcome back from 3885 04:02:22,720 --> 04:02:24,319 our recess and welcome back to the 3886 04:02:24,319 --> 04:02:25,520 Clearwater County Regular Council 3887 04:02:25,520 --> 04:02:28,319 meeting for August 25th, 2026. 3888 04:02:28,319 --> 04:02:30,479 Uh, moving into item six of today's 3889 04:02:30,479 --> 04:02:33,840 agenda, we have reports. 3890 04:02:33,840 --> 04:02:38,080 Are there any items of discussion 3891 04:02:38,080 --> 04:02:40,640 on the section of reports? And maybe at 3892 04:02:40,640 --> 04:02:42,399 this point in time, I'll ask CEO Simpson 3893 04:02:42,399 --> 04:02:44,800 to go ahead and provide your CAO report. 3894 04:02:44,800 --> 04:02:47,120 >> Certainly. Thank you, your worship. Um 3895 04:02:47,120 --> 04:02:50,000 so for council uh make note of the fact 3896 04:02:50,000 --> 04:02:52,640 that on the 5th and 6th Nord will be 3897 04:02:52,640 --> 04:02:55,840 celebrating their annual Nord Days event 3898 04:02:55,840 --> 04:02:58,160 and there will be a market a show and 3899 04:02:58,160 --> 04:03:00,080 shine and hopefully lots of 3900 04:03:00,080 --> 04:03:01,600 participation from the community and 3901 04:03:01,600 --> 04:03:03,520 maybe folks from the surrounding area. 3902 04:03:03,520 --> 04:03:04,880 Concurrent with that, there will be some 3903 04:03:04,880 --> 04:03:07,199 road closures. Uh Lily A, Center Street, 3904 04:03:07,199 --> 04:03:09,760 Cherry a and an adjacent road will be 3905 04:03:09,760 --> 04:03:11,920 closed um for about an hour from 8 to 3906 04:03:11,920 --> 04:03:13,920 9ine during those days, but there's 3907 04:03:13,920 --> 04:03:16,080 still going to be access along Elizabeth 3908 04:03:16,080 --> 04:03:18,399 Avenue. So, all county owned parking 3909 04:03:18,399 --> 04:03:20,319 lots within Nordic will be uh delegated 3910 04:03:20,319 --> 04:03:21,600 to this event. So, if folks want to come 3911 04:03:21,600 --> 04:03:23,520 and park, they can use one of our one of 3912 04:03:23,520 --> 04:03:26,560 our spaces. Uh to council specifically, 3913 04:03:26,560 --> 04:03:28,720 uh we will be hosting the next uh 3914 04:03:28,720 --> 04:03:30,880 district 2, that's the central rural 3915 04:03:30,880 --> 04:03:33,279 municipalities of Alberta fall meeting. 3916 04:03:33,279 --> 04:03:35,680 Uh we are expecting between 80 to 100 3917 04:03:35,680 --> 04:03:38,720 delegates on the 2nd of October and 3918 04:03:38,720 --> 04:03:40,319 councilors from the central region are 3919 04:03:40,319 --> 04:03:42,239 going to be invited to our community to 3920 04:03:42,239 --> 04:03:44,560 review resolutions put forward and to 3921 04:03:44,560 --> 04:03:46,479 discuss municipal concerns affecting the 3922 04:03:46,479 --> 04:03:49,520 central rural region. So, I had made 3923 04:03:49,520 --> 04:03:51,120 note that Mountain View County would be 3924 04:03:51,120 --> 04:03:53,040 looking for a seconder on a resolution 3925 04:03:53,040 --> 04:03:54,640 of theirs uh that they're going to put 3926 04:03:54,640 --> 04:03:56,880 back to the province and uh by consensus 3927 04:03:56,880 --> 04:03:59,040 by email. Uh council had agreed to 3928 04:03:59,040 --> 04:04:00,479 second that motion. So, just be ready 3929 04:04:00,479 --> 04:04:02,160 when that one comes up to stand in 3930 04:04:02,160 --> 04:04:03,600 support of your colleagues from Mountain 3931 04:04:03,600 --> 04:04:07,279 View County. Uh RMA is happening 3932 04:04:07,279 --> 04:04:11,199 November 2nd to 5th and the um the 3933 04:04:11,199 --> 04:04:12,720 conventions which happen twice a year 3934 04:04:12,720 --> 04:04:14,319 will be at the Edmonton Convention 3935 04:04:14,319 --> 04:04:17,120 Center. uh resolutions that are crucial 3936 04:04:17,120 --> 04:04:20,479 to RMA's advocacy efforts will be put on 3937 04:04:20,479 --> 04:04:22,319 the table and they'll be looking for 3938 04:04:22,319 --> 04:04:25,439 direction to RMA from the members to 3939 04:04:25,439 --> 04:04:28,239 endorse specific positions or calls to 3940 04:04:28,239 --> 04:04:30,720 action. The resolution is directed to 3941 04:04:30,720 --> 04:04:32,560 the provincial or federal government 3942 04:04:32,560 --> 04:04:34,560 depending on the content and once those 3943 04:04:34,560 --> 04:04:36,640 resolutions are endorsed at the RMA 3944 04:04:36,640 --> 04:04:39,279 level, they remain active and they 3945 04:04:39,279 --> 04:04:42,720 influence the advocacy agenda of RMA for 3946 04:04:42,720 --> 04:04:44,880 the next three years. Uh so the deadline 3947 04:04:44,880 --> 04:04:46,960 to put forth a resolution will be 3948 04:04:46,960 --> 04:04:49,600 January of next year. If council has 3949 04:04:49,600 --> 04:04:52,000 advocacy priorities, a draft resolution 3950 04:04:52,000 --> 04:04:53,920 should be put forth to council in the 3951 04:04:53,920 --> 04:04:55,439 next couple of months and then presented 3952 04:04:55,439 --> 04:04:58,080 to the district 2 CRMA for endorsement 3953 04:04:58,080 --> 04:05:01,439 and then onto the spring of 2027 RMA. 3954 04:05:01,439 --> 04:05:02,800 And just a personal note, I've been 3955 04:05:02,800 --> 04:05:04,239 settling into the community with my kids 3956 04:05:04,239 --> 04:05:05,840 and my dog and I've been enjoying the 3957 04:05:05,840 --> 04:05:07,920 recreational amenities of the area, uh 3958 04:05:07,920 --> 04:05:09,920 including some marginal success trying 3959 04:05:09,920 --> 04:05:12,399 fishing at Cow Lake. Finally got one. It 3960 04:05:12,399 --> 04:05:14,000 was a jack, not a trout, unfortunately, 3961 04:05:14,000 --> 04:05:15,600 but we'll get out into deeper water, I'm 3962 04:05:15,600 --> 04:05:17,279 sure, and get better eating from there. 3963 04:05:17,279 --> 04:05:19,120 Uh, the community continues to deliver 3964 04:05:19,120 --> 04:05:20,800 on its promise of being vibrant, 3965 04:05:20,800 --> 04:05:22,640 welcoming, uh, and a great place to live 3966 04:05:22,640 --> 04:05:25,040 and work. So, of note, I've also noticed 3967 04:05:25,040 --> 04:05:26,640 there's some pretty good forge crops 3968 04:05:26,640 --> 04:05:28,160 going in the fields. I wouldn't be 3969 04:05:28,160 --> 04:05:29,920 surprised to see a second cut coming 3970 04:05:29,920 --> 04:05:33,040 through in the fall. 3971 04:05:33,040 --> 04:05:34,640 >> Excellent. Thank you for your report, 3972 04:05:34,640 --> 04:05:37,439 CEO Simpson. Are there any questions for 3973 04:05:37,439 --> 04:05:41,750 CEO Simpson from council? 3974 04:05:41,760 --> 04:05:45,279 Seeing none. Um, moving on to item 6.2, 3975 04:05:45,279 --> 04:05:48,399 we have the broadband project update for 3976 04:05:48,399 --> 04:05:51,199 August 2026. 3977 04:05:51,199 --> 04:05:54,160 Sure. 3978 04:05:54,160 --> 04:05:56,640 >> Janet, there's some indication of some 3979 04:05:56,640 --> 04:05:58,080 members of council wishing to speak. 3980 04:05:58,080 --> 04:06:00,000 Deputy brief, do you have questions, 3981 04:06:00,000 --> 04:06:00,800 comments? 3982 04:06:00,800 --> 04:06:03,120 >> Were you going to present the the item? 3983 04:06:03,120 --> 04:06:04,800 >> It looks like it. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead, 3984 04:06:04,800 --> 04:06:07,600 CEO Simpson. So, I'll present the item. 3985 04:06:07,600 --> 04:06:09,680 And I'm first I'd ask has everyone had 3986 04:06:09,680 --> 04:06:13,439 time to uh review the report itself? 3987 04:06:13,439 --> 04:06:15,920 Okay. I imagine there will be questions. 3988 04:06:15,920 --> 04:06:17,840 So what I'll do is I'll just run through 3989 04:06:17,840 --> 04:06:20,000 the material in the report and then I 3990 04:06:20,000 --> 04:06:21,439 will take those questions down and get 3991 04:06:21,439 --> 04:06:24,000 you some proper replies uh after the 3992 04:06:24,000 --> 04:06:25,120 council meeting as soon as the 3993 04:06:25,120 --> 04:06:28,479 information comes in. Um in general as 3994 04:06:28,479 --> 04:06:31,120 far as website updates go, uh the open 3995 04:06:31,120 --> 04:06:33,359 access network is uh still a pretty 3996 04:06:33,359 --> 04:06:35,920 popular piece of content on our county 3997 04:06:35,920 --> 04:06:40,319 website. We're up to 405 views from 240 3998 04:06:40,319 --> 04:06:43,600 visitors. Uh the telecom providers page 3999 04:06:43,600 --> 04:06:47,520 also is up to 303 views from 159 4000 04:06:47,520 --> 04:06:49,359 visitors and those two pages are about 4001 04:06:49,359 --> 04:06:52,160 80% of the traffic on the broadband page 4002 04:06:52,160 --> 04:06:53,680 in general. So folks are starting to 4003 04:06:53,680 --> 04:06:54,720 look at who they're going to get their 4004 04:06:54,720 --> 04:06:57,920 services from. Um, we're growing in 4005 04:06:57,920 --> 04:07:00,000 interest in the telecom providers, uh, 4006 04:07:00,000 --> 04:07:03,840 rising from 51 to 72 visits between the 4007 04:07:03,840 --> 04:07:06,160 first and second halves of July. And 4008 04:07:06,160 --> 04:07:08,640 traffic to the open access overview 4009 04:07:08,640 --> 04:07:10,160 page, we're sort of saying it's just 4010 04:07:10,160 --> 04:07:13,199 holding steady with those numbers. Um, 4011 04:07:13,199 --> 04:07:15,199 the residents are spending most of their 4012 04:07:15,199 --> 04:07:17,279 time on the broadband project funding 4013 04:07:17,279 --> 04:07:19,359 page, averaging about a minute and 53 4014 04:07:19,359 --> 04:07:21,600 seconds per visit, which is the longest 4015 04:07:21,600 --> 04:07:23,439 of any of the broadband pages we have on 4016 04:07:23,439 --> 04:07:25,600 the site. This suggests that visitors 4017 04:07:25,600 --> 04:07:27,760 are reading the page rather than passing 4018 04:07:27,760 --> 04:07:30,800 through it. Total site users has 4019 04:07:30,800 --> 04:07:33,359 continued to grow for the last three 4020 04:07:33,359 --> 04:07:37,680 months from 750 in May to 830 in June 4021 04:07:37,680 --> 04:07:40,880 and 915 in July. So it's an increase of 4022 04:07:40,880 --> 04:07:43,680 about 10% for each period. And page 4023 04:07:43,680 --> 04:07:47,199 views rose about 20% in July from 2900 4024 04:07:47,199 --> 04:07:51,920 to about uh uh 2900 sorry from 2400 and 4025 04:07:51,920 --> 04:07:53,760 change. Uh and the engagement rate is 4026 04:07:53,760 --> 04:07:57,439 improving about 40% from 39 to about 47% 4027 04:07:57,439 --> 04:07:59,120 of residents spending more time 4028 04:07:59,120 --> 04:08:00,560 reviewing service and project 4029 04:08:00,560 --> 04:08:04,000 information pages. The service select 4030 04:08:04,000 --> 04:08:07,840 pages rose from 42% and the uh the 4031 04:08:07,840 --> 04:08:10,239 project status views rose sorry they 4032 04:08:10,239 --> 04:08:13,279 rose 41 42% and project status views 4033 04:08:13,279 --> 04:08:16,560 rose about 34 a.5% indicating residents 4034 04:08:16,560 --> 04:08:18,560 are actively researching service 4035 04:08:18,560 --> 04:08:20,880 availability and construction timing in 4036 04:08:20,880 --> 04:08:23,279 their area. Paid social traffic went 4037 04:08:23,279 --> 04:08:25,600 down about 12% in July, which kind of 4038 04:08:25,600 --> 04:08:27,520 reflects the posting volume during the 4039 04:08:27,520 --> 04:08:29,279 summer months as we prepare for the 4040 04:08:29,279 --> 04:08:30,960 summer launch or the September launch 4041 04:08:30,960 --> 04:08:33,120 period, sorry. 4042 04:08:33,120 --> 04:08:35,359 Um, as far as Facebook or Meta 4043 04:08:35,359 --> 04:08:37,439 advertising goes, our August ads 4044 04:08:37,439 --> 04:08:39,199 continue to promote our internet service 4045 04:08:39,199 --> 04:08:41,040 providers. So during the first two weeks 4046 04:08:41,040 --> 04:08:43,279 of August, the focus was on Bear Bears 4047 04:08:43,279 --> 04:08:45,760 Paw's new website, which is dedicated to 4048 04:08:45,760 --> 04:08:47,920 Clearwater County's broadband packages 4049 04:08:47,920 --> 04:08:50,560 and prices. And these last two weeks in 4050 04:08:50,560 --> 04:08:52,479 August have been focusing on Mage 4051 04:08:52,479 --> 04:08:55,199 Network's dedicated web page. We're also 4052 04:08:55,199 --> 04:08:57,439 running a series of did you know posts 4053 04:08:57,439 --> 04:08:59,359 which uh will be launched weekly in 4054 04:08:59,359 --> 04:09:01,600 Clearwater County on our Facebook page. 4055 04:09:01,600 --> 04:09:03,600 And the intention of these posts is to 4056 04:09:03,600 --> 04:09:05,520 educate the residents and businesses on 4057 04:09:05,520 --> 04:09:07,040 a number of different aspects of the 4058 04:09:07,040 --> 04:09:09,359 program and answer some of the most 4059 04:09:09,359 --> 04:09:11,040 asked questions we hear in the 4060 04:09:11,040 --> 04:09:13,279 community. We're also going to be doing 4061 04:09:13,279 --> 04:09:15,120 some advertisements in the three local 4062 04:09:15,120 --> 04:09:16,880 papers. That's the Western Star, the 4063 04:09:16,880 --> 04:09:19,199 Mountaineer, and the Albertan to support 4064 04:09:19,199 --> 04:09:20,960 the internet service providers currently 4065 04:09:20,960 --> 04:09:23,040 in the market. And this is in response 4066 04:09:23,040 --> 04:09:25,120 to many residents asking for internet 4067 04:09:25,120 --> 04:09:27,040 service provider information so they can 4068 04:09:27,040 --> 04:09:28,560 begin shopping ahead of the network 4069 04:09:28,560 --> 04:09:30,560 launch. We're going to be launching an 4070 04:09:30,560 --> 04:09:32,160 early connection program which starts 4071 04:09:32,160 --> 04:09:35,760 today, the week of August 24th. And uh 4072 04:09:35,760 --> 04:09:37,520 the small number of residents targeted 4073 04:09:37,520 --> 04:09:39,840 in this uh program are going to connect 4074 04:09:39,840 --> 04:09:41,439 to the Clearwater County broadband 4075 04:09:41,439 --> 04:09:43,840 network and provide feedback for us, 4076 04:09:43,840 --> 04:09:45,920 helping prepare for the larger launch in 4077 04:09:45,920 --> 04:09:47,600 select areas of the county during the 4078 04:09:47,600 --> 04:09:50,080 week of September 21st. These dates 4079 04:09:50,080 --> 04:09:52,399 depend on the network being fully ready 4080 04:09:52,399 --> 04:09:54,000 and functional. So that includes 4081 04:09:54,000 --> 04:09:56,800 software and hardware testing. Um making 4082 04:09:56,800 --> 04:09:58,319 sure the area cabinets are fully 4083 04:09:58,319 --> 04:09:59,840 commissioned and fiber connected to the 4084 04:09:59,840 --> 04:10:01,600 property line uh from the property line 4085 04:10:01,600 --> 04:10:03,760 to the residents as well as the inhome 4086 04:10:03,760 --> 04:10:06,720 equipment installs. As we're rolling out 4087 04:10:06,720 --> 04:10:08,399 to larger area internet service 4088 04:10:08,399 --> 04:10:11,199 providers, uh their onboard packages and 4089 04:10:11,199 --> 04:10:12,800 pricing will be onto the marketplace 4090 04:10:12,800 --> 04:10:14,960 website and residents will be able to 4091 04:10:14,960 --> 04:10:16,319 sign up with their internet service 4092 04:10:16,319 --> 04:10:19,359 providers and get connected. residents 4093 04:10:19,359 --> 04:10:21,680 uh in areas coming online first will 4094 04:10:21,680 --> 04:10:23,279 receive one of two communication 4095 04:10:23,279 --> 04:10:25,439 materials. If they've not yet signed up 4096 04:10:25,439 --> 04:10:27,199 for Fiber Connect, they'll receive a 4097 04:10:27,199 --> 04:10:28,800 mailed communication in September 4098 04:10:28,800 --> 04:10:30,239 encouraging them to sign up for the 4099 04:10:30,239 --> 04:10:31,920 Fiber Connect program and choose an 4100 04:10:31,920 --> 04:10:33,359 internet service provider as soon as 4101 04:10:33,359 --> 04:10:35,600 possible. And for those residents who 4102 04:10:35,600 --> 04:10:37,040 have signed up for Fiber Connect, they 4103 04:10:37,040 --> 04:10:38,640 will be sent an automated email 4104 04:10:38,640 --> 04:10:40,319 informing them that they can begin 4105 04:10:40,319 --> 04:10:42,160 shopping for an internet service 4106 04:10:42,160 --> 04:10:44,000 provider and the marketplace website 4107 04:10:44,000 --> 04:10:46,000 will be ready with all of those ISP 4108 04:10:46,000 --> 04:10:48,640 packages and pricing. 4109 04:10:48,640 --> 04:10:50,720 As far as community engagement goes, 4110 04:10:50,720 --> 04:10:52,720 they uh there's been a presence at the 4111 04:10:52,720 --> 04:10:54,720 market on Maine in Rocky Mountain House. 4112 04:10:54,720 --> 04:10:56,880 And so the Clearwater County Broadband 4113 04:10:56,880 --> 04:10:59,040 booth continues to have presence at the 4114 04:10:59,040 --> 04:11:01,680 Thursday evening market in Rocky where 4115 04:11:01,680 --> 04:11:04,319 residents can stop by and ask questions 4116 04:11:04,319 --> 04:11:06,960 or sign up for Fiberconnect. This ends I 4117 04:11:06,960 --> 04:11:08,960 believe it would be Thursday the 27th. 4118 04:11:08,960 --> 04:11:12,710 That' be the last market. 4119 04:11:12,720 --> 04:11:15,040 So, of the Fiber Connect sales, uh, as 4120 04:11:15,040 --> 04:11:18,880 of August 11th, we've contacted 1736 4121 04:11:18,880 --> 04:11:22,239 residents. We have signed up 1,051 of 4122 04:11:22,239 --> 04:11:25,520 those. And the installation schedule, 4123 04:11:25,520 --> 04:11:28,239 which runs from August to October, we'll 4124 04:11:28,239 --> 04:11:30,800 see installations happening in Crimson 4125 04:11:30,800 --> 04:11:33,920 South, Farrier Acres North in August. 4126 04:11:33,920 --> 04:11:37,520 Uh, Nord Outer, Highway 752 in Cow Lake 4127 04:11:37,520 --> 04:11:40,880 to Range Road 384, Highway 752 to Range 4128 04:11:40,880 --> 04:11:44,239 Road 80, uh, Hidden Valley, Highway 752 4129 04:11:44,239 --> 04:11:47,279 to the West RV ATV park and Straen east 4130 04:11:47,279 --> 04:11:49,760 and northwest in September, and then in 4131 04:11:49,760 --> 04:11:52,000 October, Cheddarville, Congress, 4132 04:11:52,000 --> 04:11:54,560 Doverkart Hall, uh, installations along 4133 04:11:54,560 --> 04:11:57,920 Township 384 and 385, Range Road 84, and 4134 04:11:57,920 --> 04:12:00,560 the Classen Oilfield Cal Cowboy Trail 4135 04:12:00,560 --> 04:12:03,520 areas. 4136 04:12:03,520 --> 04:12:05,120 So, uh, of the internet service 4137 04:12:05,120 --> 04:12:07,040 providers themselves, Mage Networks now 4138 04:12:07,040 --> 04:12:09,359 has a full page dedicated to Clearwater 4139 04:12:09,359 --> 04:12:12,479 County broadband on their website and 4140 04:12:12,479 --> 04:12:14,720 all internet service, uh, providers will 4141 04:12:14,720 --> 04:12:17,199 be posted to our telecom page, which you 4142 04:12:17,199 --> 04:12:17,840 can access at 4143 04:12:17,840 --> 04:12:21,510 clearwatercount.ca/teleom-providers. 4144 04:12:21,520 --> 04:12:23,920 So, that would be Mage Networks, Bears 4145 04:12:23,920 --> 04:12:26,239 Paw Networks, and Aerotechnology all 4146 04:12:26,239 --> 04:12:28,000 have web pages dedicated to our 4147 04:12:28,000 --> 04:12:30,160 broadband. So, a lot of points of 4148 04:12:30,160 --> 04:12:31,760 interface for people to come in, pick an 4149 04:12:31,760 --> 04:12:34,479 ISP, and get connected. 4150 04:12:34,479 --> 04:12:37,279 With respect to construction, uh there's 4151 04:12:37,279 --> 04:12:39,439 a total number of homes that could get 4152 04:12:39,439 --> 04:12:43,120 fiber internet. That's 4,399. 4153 04:12:43,120 --> 04:12:45,600 We've passed 173 of them. And again, 4154 04:12:45,600 --> 04:12:47,760 we've uh received connection orders for 4155 04:12:47,760 --> 04:12:50,880 1,51 of those. 4156 04:12:50,880 --> 04:12:53,359 I'll show you the maps here. Um Ro 4157 04:12:53,359 --> 04:12:55,840 updates have built about 460 kilometers 4158 04:12:55,840 --> 04:12:59,279 of fiber to date. Um, let's see. Cable 4159 04:12:59,279 --> 04:13:01,520 construction, we've got 37% of the way 4160 04:13:01,520 --> 04:13:04,720 there, 606 km of the 1659 that are 4161 04:13:04,720 --> 04:13:07,359 planned. And civil construction, just 4162 04:13:07,359 --> 04:13:11,840 under 700 km of the 1389 planned. And 4163 04:13:11,840 --> 04:13:13,920 then with respect to Canadian Western 4164 04:13:13,920 --> 04:13:16,560 infrastructure, um, they've built about 4165 04:13:16,560 --> 04:13:20,159 150 km to date of their project. 4166 04:13:20,159 --> 04:13:22,399 Canadian fiber optics updates. They've 4167 04:13:22,399 --> 04:13:25,439 got 88 kilometers built to date um in 4168 04:13:25,439 --> 04:13:28,239 areas from Township 395, Northland Drive 4169 04:13:28,239 --> 04:13:31,600 to Range Road 65 and Township 400 and 4170 04:13:31,600 --> 04:13:35,439 Range Road 65, 64, 63 to uh along 4171 04:13:35,439 --> 04:13:38,560 Township 401A and Highway 598, Range 4172 04:13:38,560 --> 04:13:41,199 Road 63 to the Codner. So that's sort of 4173 04:13:41,199 --> 04:13:44,159 planned. Um more is taking place between 4174 04:13:44,159 --> 04:13:46,800 September and December of this year. 4175 04:13:46,800 --> 04:13:48,159 There's a couple site photos there for 4176 04:13:48,159 --> 04:13:49,920 you to look at. 4177 04:13:49,920 --> 04:13:53,600 of conduit being installed 4178 04:13:53,600 --> 04:13:55,520 and of course the reporting requirements 4179 04:13:55,520 --> 04:13:57,439 that come with having these grants from 4180 04:13:57,439 --> 04:13:59,920 the government. Uh we're working closely 4181 04:13:59,920 --> 04:14:01,760 with Innovation, Science, and Economic 4182 04:14:01,760 --> 04:14:04,720 Development Canada or ISIED, uh the 4183 04:14:04,720 --> 04:14:06,800 government of Alberta on reporting 4184 04:14:06,800 --> 04:14:09,279 requirements for the universal broadband 4185 04:14:09,279 --> 04:14:11,279 fund grant projects, which includes 4186 04:14:11,279 --> 04:14:13,199 monthly progress meetings with ISED and 4187 04:14:13,199 --> 04:14:15,760 the GOA, uh quarterly forecasting 4188 04:14:15,760 --> 04:14:18,560 updates for the GOA, quarterly community 4189 04:14:18,560 --> 04:14:20,800 progress reports to both entities, 4190 04:14:20,800 --> 04:14:23,040 milestone deliverables and claims and 4191 04:14:23,040 --> 04:14:25,120 reimbursements, a yearly forecast, and 4192 04:14:25,120 --> 04:14:27,279 of course, project change forms as 4193 04:14:27,279 --> 04:14:29,840 required. ired. 4194 04:14:29,840 --> 04:14:31,359 So that would take me to the end of the 4195 04:14:31,359 --> 04:14:33,680 content of the report. I would be glad 4196 04:14:33,680 --> 04:14:35,199 to receive your questions and then get 4197 04:14:35,199 --> 04:14:36,479 you the information that you're looking 4198 04:14:36,479 --> 04:14:38,640 for. 4199 04:14:38,640 --> 04:14:40,800 >> Counselor or Deputy Reef McKay, go 4200 04:14:40,800 --> 04:14:41,439 ahead. 4201 04:14:41,439 --> 04:14:45,040 >> Thank you. Um, I do have a uh resident 4202 04:14:45,040 --> 04:14:46,399 concern that I would like to bring 4203 04:14:46,399 --> 04:14:51,359 forward and that is that AFL 4204 04:14:51,359 --> 04:14:54,560 when they're contacting residents and uh 4205 04:14:54,560 --> 04:14:58,159 making sales calls led many residents to 4206 04:14:58,159 --> 04:15:00,800 believe that the system would be online 4207 04:15:00,800 --> 04:15:03,359 at the end of June and then it was the 4208 04:15:03,359 --> 04:15:05,199 end of July 4209 04:15:05,199 --> 04:15:07,680 and then it was the end of August and 4210 04:15:07,680 --> 04:15:09,040 now it's hopefully the middle of 4211 04:15:09,040 --> 04:15:10,880 September. 4212 04:15:10,880 --> 04:15:15,439 So, as the the owners of this network, I 4213 04:15:15,439 --> 04:15:19,279 think we need to 4214 04:15:19,279 --> 04:15:22,239 follow up and put a little more pressure 4215 04:15:22,239 --> 04:15:26,560 on um Arcadia and 4216 04:15:26,560 --> 04:15:30,960 AFL because it it seems like 4217 04:15:30,960 --> 04:15:33,279 they're quickly uh causing a lot of 4218 04:15:33,279 --> 04:15:35,520 frustration within the community and 4219 04:15:35,520 --> 04:15:39,359 that is going to cause a lot of uh a lot 4220 04:15:39,359 --> 04:15:40,720 of people not to sign 4221 04:15:40,720 --> 04:15:43,279 and it's going to create a system that 4222 04:15:43,279 --> 04:15:45,600 really uh doesn't have a business case 4223 04:15:45,600 --> 04:15:48,479 if there isn't enough customers. So, 4224 04:15:48,479 --> 04:15:51,760 >> okay. So, noted. Thank you, Deputy Ree. 4225 04:15:51,760 --> 04:15:55,120 >> And secondly, I do have a question to 4226 04:15:55,120 --> 04:15:57,840 administration regarding timing. 4227 04:15:57,840 --> 04:16:01,520 Many of these grants have a uh they have 4228 04:16:01,520 --> 04:16:03,760 deadline of I believe it's the end of 4229 04:16:03,760 --> 04:16:08,790 March 2027. 4230 04:16:08,800 --> 04:16:12,720 Are we we going to make it? 4231 04:16:12,720 --> 04:16:13,279 >> Um, 4232 04:16:13,279 --> 04:16:16,399 >> and if not, have we contacted the 4233 04:16:16,399 --> 04:16:18,479 appropriate people to say, "Hey, due to 4234 04:16:18,479 --> 04:16:20,159 weather, due to unforeseen 4235 04:16:20,159 --> 04:16:23,279 circumstances, due to anything we can 4236 04:16:23,279 --> 04:16:25,520 think of, 4237 04:16:25,520 --> 04:16:28,080 >> yeah, literally, there's a chance we may 4238 04:16:28,080 --> 04:16:31,680 not have this 100% completed by March 4239 04:16:31,680 --> 04:16:33,680 27th 4240 04:16:33,680 --> 04:16:36,319 because if we were to lose those grants 4241 04:16:36,319 --> 04:16:39,840 and this county became liable for 100% 4242 04:16:39,840 --> 04:16:42,720 of the installation. 4243 04:16:42,720 --> 04:16:44,960 Um, I don't think anybody in this 4244 04:16:44,960 --> 04:16:48,159 building would have a job anymore. 4245 04:16:48,159 --> 04:16:50,319 >> I appreciate the sentiment. Uh, I can 4246 04:16:50,319 --> 04:16:51,439 tell you that I have a meeting with 4247 04:16:51,439 --> 04:16:54,319 Arcadus at the uh, I guess 10:00 Monday 4248 04:16:54,319 --> 04:16:58,239 morning next week. And with that, there 4249 04:16:58,239 --> 04:17:00,159 will be also a presence from marketing 4250 04:17:00,159 --> 04:17:02,720 and I'll have my IT department there. I 4251 04:17:02,720 --> 04:17:04,800 will press upon them that it is 4252 04:17:04,800 --> 04:17:06,239 important to hit the deadlines for 4253 04:17:06,239 --> 04:17:07,760 reporting requirements, construction 4254 04:17:07,760 --> 04:17:09,840 requirements, and I will also ask about 4255 04:17:09,840 --> 04:17:11,600 any possibilities through the Ministry 4256 04:17:11,600 --> 04:17:12,960 of Extension. If there's going to be 4257 04:17:12,960 --> 04:17:14,720 delays, I will bring that information 4258 04:17:14,720 --> 04:17:17,040 back to you in a future report if that's 4259 04:17:17,040 --> 04:17:18,159 fair. 4260 04:17:18,159 --> 04:17:19,680 >> No, absolutely. We have a broadband 4261 04:17:19,680 --> 04:17:21,279 meeting upcoming. That's why I asked 4262 04:17:21,279 --> 04:17:22,640 these questions today. 4263 04:17:22,640 --> 04:17:23,359 >> No problem. 4264 04:17:23,359 --> 04:17:26,080 >> I believe it's mid mid October is the 4265 04:17:26,080 --> 04:17:27,840 next actual broad 4266 04:17:27,840 --> 04:17:29,439 >> Yeah, the 14th of October. There will be 4267 04:17:29,439 --> 04:17:30,960 a broadband committee meeting at that 4268 04:17:30,960 --> 04:17:34,239 time. Thank you. 4269 04:17:34,239 --> 04:17:36,319 >> Are there any other 4270 04:17:36,319 --> 04:17:37,680 comments or questions from council 4271 04:17:37,680 --> 04:17:41,359 members regarding the broadband project 4272 04:17:41,359 --> 04:17:45,349 update report? 4273 04:17:45,359 --> 04:17:47,680 Seeing none, is there any discussion on 4274 04:17:47,680 --> 04:17:50,640 the item 6.3 capital project status 4275 04:17:50,640 --> 04:17:54,790 update report? 4276 04:17:54,800 --> 04:17:57,920 I would uh I'll just comment briefly on 4277 04:17:57,920 --> 04:17:59,359 one item here. There's the Caroline 4278 04:17:59,359 --> 04:18:04,080 North Road uh 2026 ashvault overlay. I 4279 04:18:04,080 --> 04:18:07,920 would just like to uh thank staff for 4280 04:18:07,920 --> 04:18:10,880 uh I had local businesses that had 4281 04:18:10,880 --> 04:18:12,560 concerns with the construction 4282 04:18:12,560 --> 04:18:14,880 activities there that was uh briefly 4283 04:18:14,880 --> 04:18:18,560 interrupting their uh customers to have 4284 04:18:18,560 --> 04:18:20,640 access to their stores. However, 4285 04:18:20,640 --> 04:18:22,399 administration did rectify that very 4286 04:18:22,399 --> 04:18:23,920 quickly. So, thank you to staff and 4287 04:18:23,920 --> 04:18:26,159 director Hansen for that. Uh, so the 4288 04:18:26,159 --> 04:18:27,840 Caroline feed store north of Caroline 4289 04:18:27,840 --> 04:18:29,680 are still open and available to service 4290 04:18:29,680 --> 04:18:32,239 the community and along with the 4291 04:18:32,239 --> 04:18:34,640 Caroline golf course still open for the 4292 04:18:34,640 --> 04:18:36,399 community to be able to access those two 4293 04:18:36,399 --> 04:18:39,359 businesses along the Caroline North Road 4294 04:18:39,359 --> 04:18:42,319 while the ashvault overlay project is 4295 04:18:42,319 --> 04:18:46,389 underway. 4296 04:18:46,399 --> 04:18:48,399 Are there any other comments or any 4297 04:18:48,399 --> 04:18:51,040 questions on capital project status 4298 04:18:51,040 --> 04:18:54,080 update report? Seeing none. Clearwater 4299 04:18:54,080 --> 04:18:57,120 regional emergency services report. 4300 04:18:57,120 --> 04:19:02,389 Comments, questions? 4301 04:19:02,399 --> 04:19:05,040 Economic developer officer report. Any 4302 04:19:05,040 --> 04:19:08,469 comments, questions? 4303 04:19:08,479 --> 04:19:10,640 Financial report. These are all reports 4304 04:19:10,640 --> 04:19:12,000 for council's information and the 4305 04:19:12,000 --> 04:19:17,429 community. 4306 04:19:17,439 --> 04:19:22,479 Rocky Mountain House airport report. 4307 04:19:22,479 --> 04:19:24,080 It was nice to see that that project is 4308 04:19:24,080 --> 04:19:27,680 underway and the new airport terminal is 4309 04:19:27,680 --> 04:19:32,640 being installed and constructed. 4310 04:19:32,640 --> 04:19:34,720 Rocky RCMP report. Any comments, 4311 04:19:34,720 --> 04:19:40,070 questions? 4312 04:19:40,080 --> 04:19:46,149 Councelor remuneration. 4313 04:19:46,159 --> 04:19:50,479 And lastly, item 6.10 10 verbal 4314 04:19:50,479 --> 04:19:53,600 counselor reports. 4315 04:19:53,600 --> 04:19:55,520 We'll start with councelor Powell from 4316 04:19:55,520 --> 04:19:57,279 Ward One. 4317 04:19:57,279 --> 04:20:00,239 >> Thank you, Rafe. Um 4318 04:20:00,239 --> 04:20:04,319 on the 19th, I did attend the MPC. Uh we 4319 04:20:04,319 --> 04:20:06,159 did a morning of tours, there's 4320 04:20:06,159 --> 04:20:08,319 subdivision applications, temporary 4321 04:20:08,319 --> 04:20:10,000 business development permit, short-term 4322 04:20:10,000 --> 04:20:11,680 rentals. Uh there was a lot of great 4323 04:20:11,680 --> 04:20:14,479 discussion in MPC and I do look forward 4324 04:20:14,479 --> 04:20:17,760 to hopefully the rest of council um 4325 04:20:17,760 --> 04:20:19,840 being able to have a discussion on the 4326 04:20:19,840 --> 04:20:22,800 development um of Nordic and its future. 4327 04:20:22,800 --> 04:20:24,319 And then one other thing that I did get 4328 04:20:24,319 --> 04:20:27,920 to attend um on my own was I did get to 4329 04:20:27,920 --> 04:20:29,040 go to the chuck wagons and it was 4330 04:20:29,040 --> 04:20:30,720 absolutely fantastic. The stands were 4331 04:20:30,720 --> 04:20:33,040 packed and it was yeah it was it was 4332 04:20:33,040 --> 04:20:36,560 fun. I enjoyed it. So that is all. 4333 04:20:36,560 --> 04:20:37,840 >> Thank you councelor Pow. Are there any 4334 04:20:37,840 --> 04:20:38,960 questions or comments for councelor 4335 04:20:38,960 --> 04:20:41,199 Pal's report? Seeing none, councelor 4336 04:20:41,199 --> 04:20:42,159 Lewin, go ahead. 4337 04:20:42,159 --> 04:20:43,920 >> Yeah, August has been a fairly quiet 4338 04:20:43,920 --> 04:20:45,920 month, but I attended the Westville 4339 04:20:45,920 --> 04:20:48,640 antique days on August 2nd and um got a 4340 04:20:48,640 --> 04:20:50,159 chance to visit with a lot of 4341 04:20:50,159 --> 04:20:52,319 constituents in the area there. A lot of 4342 04:20:52,319 --> 04:20:53,920 faces I haven't seen for a long time. It 4343 04:20:53,920 --> 04:20:56,080 was really good, very positive. uh 4344 04:20:56,080 --> 04:20:58,159 attended the tornado recovery info at 4345 04:20:58,159 --> 04:21:03,520 the hub and um again um big thank you to 4346 04:21:03,520 --> 04:21:05,439 all the volunteers and everybody working 4347 04:21:05,439 --> 04:21:07,520 there and it was uh the citizens were 4348 04:21:07,520 --> 04:21:09,359 there to find out what procedures are 4349 04:21:09,359 --> 04:21:11,439 going to happen and how things are going 4350 04:21:11,439 --> 04:21:13,600 to happen. So um all the people that are 4351 04:21:13,600 --> 04:21:15,600 pitching in and helping and still out 4352 04:21:15,600 --> 04:21:18,319 there going hard. Um thank you very 4353 04:21:18,319 --> 04:21:22,720 much. That's awesome. and um wastewater 4354 04:21:22,720 --> 04:21:26,640 treatment tour uh for Leville. We 4355 04:21:26,640 --> 04:21:28,319 attended that yesterday and that was 4356 04:21:28,319 --> 04:21:31,439 very informative uh very educational and 4357 04:21:31,439 --> 04:21:32,960 uh I learned a lot because I was well 4358 04:21:32,960 --> 04:21:35,279 aware of a lot of it and that's pretty 4359 04:21:35,279 --> 04:21:37,120 much it. Thank you. 4360 04:21:37,120 --> 04:21:38,560 >> Thank you councelor Lean. Are there any 4361 04:21:38,560 --> 04:21:40,560 questions or comments for councelor Lean 4362 04:21:40,560 --> 04:21:43,359 on his report? Seeing none, deputy reef 4363 04:21:43,359 --> 04:21:45,600 mccay, go ahead. 4364 04:21:45,600 --> 04:21:48,399 >> Thanks Ree. uh August. So far, I've been 4365 04:21:48,399 --> 04:21:51,520 fortunate enough to uh 4366 04:21:51,520 --> 04:21:53,680 enjoy some of what Clearwater County has 4367 04:21:53,680 --> 04:21:56,399 to offer. Rather than uh attending a lot 4368 04:21:56,399 --> 04:21:59,680 of council, um on the long weekend, I 4369 04:21:59,680 --> 04:22:03,040 was able to uh family and I and many 4370 04:22:03,040 --> 04:22:05,920 others, we went out camping to 4371 04:22:05,920 --> 04:22:08,239 Hummingbird Falls area. And the reason I 4372 04:22:08,239 --> 04:22:12,080 bring that up is last year at this time, 4373 04:22:12,080 --> 04:22:13,920 we had lost the road into that area. 4374 04:22:13,920 --> 04:22:16,159 There was significant rainfall and there 4375 04:22:16,159 --> 04:22:18,880 was a single culvert in a switchback 4376 04:22:18,880 --> 04:22:24,880 that caused the road to be swept and it was bit of an ordeal. Took a few days 4377 04:22:24,880 --> 04:22:26,960 to get folks out of there. What I 4378 04:22:26,960 --> 04:22:30,080 noticed this year is that road is in I'm 4379 04:22:30,080 --> 04:22:33,439 going to say very very good condition 4380 04:22:33,439 --> 04:22:36,080 and public works operations has gone and 4381 04:22:36,080 --> 04:22:38,000 installed three culverts in that corner 4382 04:22:38,000 --> 04:22:40,720 to eliminate I think any possibility of 4383 04:22:40,720 --> 04:22:42,800 that road washing out in the future. So, 4384 04:22:42,800 --> 04:22:44,640 I just wanted to give credit where 4385 04:22:44,640 --> 04:22:45,920 credit is due there. They did an 4386 04:22:45,920 --> 04:22:48,319 excellent job on that. 4387 04:22:48,319 --> 04:22:51,040 Uh, secondly, I was also able to attend 4388 04:22:51,040 --> 04:22:53,840 the Chuck Wagons. Again, excellent event 4389 04:22:53,840 --> 04:22:56,239 put on by the uh truck wagon 4390 04:22:56,239 --> 04:22:58,880 association. It's great for the county, 4391 04:22:58,880 --> 04:23:02,000 for the town, the entire community. On 4392 04:23:02,000 --> 04:23:05,920 the 18th, we had an SDAB hearing. It uh 4393 04:23:05,920 --> 04:23:08,080 was the first I've attended and I had to 4394 04:23:08,080 --> 04:23:10,960 chair it. So, that was interesting. 4395 04:23:10,960 --> 04:23:12,960 But yeah, we have a good group of 4396 04:23:12,960 --> 04:23:15,279 volunteers on that board and I think it 4397 04:23:15,279 --> 04:23:17,279 went quite well. 4398 04:23:17,279 --> 04:23:19,279 And lastly, yesterday we had the 4399 04:23:19,279 --> 04:23:22,720 opportunity to tour the Lesleyville 4400 04:23:22,720 --> 04:23:26,640 Lagoon and uh water treatment facility 4401 04:23:26,640 --> 04:23:29,199 and I think this group learned a lot 4402 04:23:29,199 --> 04:23:32,640 from that and that was much appreciated. 4403 04:23:32,640 --> 04:23:35,279 That's all I have. 4404 04:23:35,279 --> 04:23:38,640 >> Any questions? Uh, councelor Surmac, go 4405 04:23:38,640 --> 04:23:39,199 ahead. 4406 04:23:39,199 --> 04:23:41,680 >> Yeah. 4407 04:23:41,680 --> 04:23:45,520 on your meeting that you um 4408 04:23:45,520 --> 04:23:49,600 councelor McKay, you were the chair of 4409 04:23:49,600 --> 04:23:51,120 the 4410 04:23:51,120 --> 04:23:54,399 I think Lu V. 4411 04:23:54,399 --> 04:23:54,800 >> Yeah, 4412 04:23:54,800 --> 04:23:56,239 >> it's a division of the board. 4413 04:23:56,239 --> 04:24:00,239 >> I heard some very good reports on that. 4414 04:24:00,239 --> 04:24:02,080 Um 4415 04:24:02,080 --> 04:24:05,439 you need to have a a nettle or a bone in 4416 04:24:05,439 --> 04:24:07,040 your 4417 04:24:07,040 --> 04:24:10,080 a flower in your cap. 4418 04:24:10,080 --> 04:24:12,720 Everybody was very appreciative of how 4419 04:24:12,720 --> 04:24:14,399 you handled that meeting. 4420 04:24:14,399 --> 04:24:15,760 >> Oh, that's good. I appreciate the 4421 04:24:15,760 --> 04:24:16,319 feedback. 4422 04:24:16,319 --> 04:24:20,479 >> So, um, you can take that very the the 4423 04:24:20,479 --> 04:24:23,600 people that I talked to were 4424 04:24:23,600 --> 04:24:26,880 pres were very pleased with how you 4425 04:24:26,880 --> 04:24:29,040 handled yourself and that meeting and 4426 04:24:29,040 --> 04:24:30,880 how well it went. 4427 04:24:30,880 --> 04:24:33,520 >> Thank you very much. So, 4428 04:24:33,520 --> 04:24:41,120 it's a great uh we need more of that uh counselors actually get praised 4429 04:24:41,120 --> 04:24:44,720 once in a while and so I didn't want 4430 04:24:44,720 --> 04:24:47,120 this to go unnoticed. 4431 04:24:47,120 --> 04:24:49,920 So, I certainly appreciate you stepping 4432 04:24:49,920 --> 04:24:52,239 forward and doing it. 4433 04:24:52,239 --> 04:24:53,680 >> Thank you, sir. 4434 04:24:53,680 --> 04:24:56,319 >> Thank you. Excellent. Thank you, 4435 04:24:56,319 --> 04:24:57,680 Councelor Macker. Are there any other 4436 04:24:57,680 --> 04:25:00,720 questions for Deputy Reef McKay? Seeing 4437 04:25:00,720 --> 04:25:03,840 none, councelor McCauley, go ahead. 4438 04:25:03,840 --> 04:25:06,239 >> Um, probably like everyone else, August 4439 04:25:06,239 --> 04:25:09,120 was a pretty light council month. Um, 4440 04:25:09,120 --> 04:25:11,600 the Lesleyville wastewater treatment 4441 04:25:11,600 --> 04:25:13,920 plant was really neat. Um, mostly 4442 04:25:13,920 --> 04:25:16,960 because I've toured more than one and 4443 04:25:16,960 --> 04:25:18,880 for the first time I seen one where 4444 04:25:18,880 --> 04:25:20,159 there was no chemicals, there was 4445 04:25:20,159 --> 04:25:21,680 nothing. It was all natural. And I think 4446 04:25:21,680 --> 04:25:23,680 that's something that everyone in this 4447 04:25:23,680 --> 04:25:26,479 county should know that that facility 4448 04:25:26,479 --> 04:25:31,279 has won awards apparently and is is um 4449 04:25:31,279 --> 04:25:34,000 yeah it's it's like it's green. It's a 4450 04:25:34,000 --> 04:25:36,000 green facility. It's really neat how it 4451 04:25:36,000 --> 04:25:38,080 works. I just wish we were there under 4452 04:25:38,080 --> 04:25:41,600 better circumstances. I think um with 4453 04:25:41,600 --> 04:25:44,239 everything else I just um I've been 4454 04:25:44,239 --> 04:25:46,080 working in Nordic for the last month. 4455 04:25:46,080 --> 04:25:48,159 So, we've uh been meeting everyone 4456 04:25:48,159 --> 04:25:51,279 there, shaking their hands, saying hi. 4457 04:25:51,279 --> 04:25:53,279 It's been uh definitely an experience. I 4458 04:25:53,279 --> 04:25:54,560 don't think anyone in Nordics had 4459 04:25:54,560 --> 04:25:58,800 someone there to greet or access for a 4460 04:25:58,800 --> 04:26:02,319 while. So, it's been uh definitely 4461 04:26:02,319 --> 04:26:05,520 something to uh something to see to see 4462 04:26:05,520 --> 04:26:07,120 the issues that you know you hear about 4463 04:26:07,120 --> 04:26:09,439 but don't always some of the issues that 4464 04:26:09,439 --> 04:26:12,000 they're they're out there. there's how 4465 04:26:12,000 --> 04:26:14,080 it's uh the construction on the highway 4466 04:26:14,080 --> 04:26:15,840 has sort of slowed things down a bit. 4467 04:26:15,840 --> 04:26:18,399 Your trip gets longer, stuff like that. 4468 04:26:18,399 --> 04:26:21,760 Um and after everything um with in with 4469 04:26:21,760 --> 04:26:23,840 staff with what I had to deal with 4470 04:26:23,840 --> 04:26:25,520 getting through uh my business open, I 4471 04:26:25,520 --> 04:26:27,040 just wanted to tell everyone we 4472 04:26:27,040 --> 04:26:31,279 appreciated everything uh for that. So, 4473 04:26:31,279 --> 04:26:33,439 thank you. And uh that's all my report 4474 04:26:33,439 --> 04:26:34,080 is. 4475 04:26:34,080 --> 04:26:35,439 >> Okay. Thank you, councelor McCully. Are 4476 04:26:35,439 --> 04:26:37,439 there any questions for councelor 4477 04:26:37,439 --> 04:26:40,319 McCully on his counselor report? Seeing 4478 04:26:40,319 --> 04:26:41,920 none. Councelor Serach, the floor is 4479 04:26:41,920 --> 04:26:42,640 yours. 4480 04:26:42,640 --> 04:26:45,840 >> Um, had a very quiet two weeks. Was 4481 04:26:45,840 --> 04:26:48,560 really nice to have some time off. Got 4482 04:26:48,560 --> 04:26:51,520 all my farming and done. Was great to 4483 04:26:51,520 --> 04:26:54,159 have the the two weeks off. Did some 4484 04:26:54,159 --> 04:26:57,920 camping out in the West Country. Um, did 4485 04:26:57,920 --> 04:27:03,600 lots. I also had a library regulation 4486 04:27:03,600 --> 04:27:07,279 Zoom session one night that was on the 4487 04:27:07,279 --> 04:27:10,159 20th with a new library act that's 4488 04:27:10,159 --> 04:27:13,279 coming in with the visual sex acts that 4489 04:27:13,279 --> 04:27:16,399 can't be in the library. Um they can be 4490 04:27:16,399 --> 04:27:21,439 there. They have to be kept separated. 4491 04:27:21,439 --> 04:27:24,479 People 15 years and under can't be 4492 04:27:24,479 --> 04:27:28,239 exposed to it. They if they need to they 4493 04:27:28,239 --> 04:27:32,319 have to have a p a parent agreement 4494 04:27:32,319 --> 04:27:35,199 signed that they can actually take these 4495 04:27:35,199 --> 04:27:38,800 books and take a look at it was very 4496 04:27:38,800 --> 04:27:41,600 informative that um and there's two 4497 04:27:41,600 --> 04:27:44,399 people and 4498 04:27:44,399 --> 04:27:48,080 this whole library act and regulation 4499 04:27:48,080 --> 04:27:53,110 come down to that um 4500 04:27:53,120 --> 04:27:55,120 the people that are looking after the 4501 04:27:55,120 --> 04:27:58,640 library acts and stuff can actually come 4502 04:27:58,640 --> 04:28:03,120 in and do inspections on libraries if 4503 04:28:03,120 --> 04:28:06,399 we're conforming to the new regulations. 4504 04:28:06,399 --> 04:28:11,040 And the two people that were doing the 4505 04:28:11,040 --> 04:28:13,359 putting on the Zoom, 4506 04:28:13,359 --> 04:28:16,720 an an Ethan and a Carrie, they both said 4507 04:28:16,720 --> 04:28:19,600 that that would be the last resort would 4508 04:28:19,600 --> 04:28:21,520 be that they would come in and do an 4509 04:28:21,520 --> 04:28:23,040 inspection 4510 04:28:23,040 --> 04:28:26,479 on on what's happening in your library. 4511 04:28:26,479 --> 04:28:30,000 And if any library does not really 4512 04:28:30,000 --> 04:28:33,040 understand what the new regulations are, 4513 04:28:33,040 --> 04:28:36,239 they can get a hold of the library act 4514 04:28:36,239 --> 04:28:41,680 or the library people in in um Edmonton 4515 04:28:41,680 --> 04:28:44,800 and Ethan or Carrie will help you 4516 04:28:44,800 --> 04:28:46,960 through any 4517 04:28:46,960 --> 04:28:49,199 anything that you need help with on this 4518 04:28:49,199 --> 04:28:53,279 new library act. It's there's a lot of 4519 04:28:53,279 --> 04:28:56,239 people upset about it, but I think in 4520 04:28:56,239 --> 04:28:59,439 the long run it'll be a good thing 4521 04:28:59,439 --> 04:29:02,479 that's happening with the libraries that 4522 04:29:02,479 --> 04:29:05,120 everybody will know what can be 4523 04:29:05,120 --> 04:29:09,429 displayed and what can't be. 4524 04:29:09,439 --> 04:29:12,960 So, and then I went to the sewer uh the 4525 04:29:12,960 --> 04:29:15,600 last sewer um tour that we had 4526 04:29:15,600 --> 04:29:17,199 yesterday. 4527 04:29:17,199 --> 04:29:20,479 I was very impressed with how pure the 4528 04:29:20,479 --> 04:29:25,279 water comes out of that uh new lagoon 4529 04:29:25,279 --> 04:29:28,239 system. Well, it's not a lagoon system. 4530 04:29:28,239 --> 04:29:31,680 I guess it's a willow 4531 04:29:31,680 --> 04:29:33,279 type 4532 04:29:33,279 --> 04:29:37,439 area and it's like councelor McAulay 4533 04:29:37,439 --> 04:29:40,479 said we've got national awards for how 4534 04:29:40,479 --> 04:29:44,319 great of a system that Clearwater has in 4535 04:29:44,319 --> 04:29:46,960 this area and we should be very proud of 4536 04:29:46,960 --> 04:29:49,439 it. We've got a few hiccups we got to 4537 04:29:49,439 --> 04:29:51,439 get over, but I think they're not 4538 04:29:51,439 --> 04:29:54,560 insurmountable. And I think u our 4539 04:29:54,560 --> 04:29:57,279 administration and engineers can get 4540 04:29:57,279 --> 04:29:59,760 over the problems that we're having and 4541 04:29:59,760 --> 04:30:02,960 it'll be a number one facility for us in 4542 04:30:02,960 --> 04:30:05,040 this area. 4543 04:30:05,040 --> 04:30:07,600 That's it. Thank you, Council Ser. Any 4544 04:30:07,600 --> 04:30:08,640 comments or questions for Councilor 4545 04:30:08,640 --> 04:30:11,040 Surmac's report? 4546 04:30:11,040 --> 04:30:12,319 Seeing none, Councelor Humphrey, the 4547 04:30:12,319 --> 04:30:14,560 floor is yours. 4548 04:30:14,560 --> 04:30:16,720 Great. Um, 4549 04:30:16,720 --> 04:30:20,640 it's been a great month so far. Wish 4550 04:30:20,640 --> 04:30:22,479 every month 4551 04:30:22,479 --> 04:30:28,710 had this many meetings in it. 4552 04:30:28,720 --> 04:30:31,680 Fewer than normal. Uh, yeah, the 4553 04:30:31,680 --> 04:30:34,800 treatment of the or the tour of the 4554 04:30:34,800 --> 04:30:37,600 wastewater treatment facility was uh 4555 04:30:37,600 --> 04:30:40,239 very informative. 4556 04:30:40,239 --> 04:30:44,239 I think something worth noting that uh 4557 04:30:44,239 --> 04:30:46,960 how how well the water's treated out of 4558 04:30:46,960 --> 04:30:49,680 there. There's two of the of the ponds. 4559 04:30:49,680 --> 04:30:52,960 There's three ponds at the Lville site 4560 04:30:52,960 --> 04:30:57,269 and two of them are 4561 04:30:57,279 --> 04:30:59,600 uh I guess not fresh water, but it's 4562 04:30:59,600 --> 04:31:01,520 clean water that can be used for 4563 04:31:01,520 --> 04:31:04,479 irrigation. It's that clear. It meets 4564 04:31:04,479 --> 04:31:07,279 all the standards. You might not want to 4565 04:31:07,279 --> 04:31:09,040 take a cup there for a drink, but it's 4566 04:31:09,040 --> 04:31:13,199 that close, right? So, it I just thought 4567 04:31:13,199 --> 04:31:15,439 it was worth mentioning for uh everybody 4568 04:31:15,439 --> 04:31:22,720 who is listening that yeah, there's only the one pond that's there is actual 4569 04:31:22,720 --> 04:31:28,479 uh the the sewer lagoon water that that 4570 04:31:28,479 --> 04:31:32,399 type of of uh of a holding pond. The 4571 04:31:32,399 --> 04:31:34,800 other two are after it's been treated 4572 04:31:34,800 --> 04:31:38,560 and it comes through and it is so clear 4573 04:31:38,560 --> 04:31:41,359 and and clean coming out there. It's uh 4574 04:31:41,359 --> 04:31:44,479 and no smell like you're normally used 4575 04:31:44,479 --> 04:31:49,439 to. So yeah, was pretty impressive. Uh 4576 04:31:49,439 --> 04:31:52,479 that's pretty much it. 4577 04:31:52,479 --> 04:31:53,680 Thank you, Councelor Humphrey. Are there 4578 04:31:53,680 --> 04:31:54,960 any questions for councelor Humphrey on 4579 04:31:54,960 --> 04:31:56,720 his report? 4580 04:31:56,720 --> 04:32:00,000 Seeing none, I'll uh I attended many of 4581 04:32:00,000 --> 04:32:01,359 the same events whether it's the 4582 04:32:01,359 --> 04:32:02,800 municipal planning commission, the tour, 4583 04:32:02,800 --> 04:32:05,279 the wastewater facility at Lesleyville. 4584 04:32:05,279 --> 04:32:07,279 Um however, I did attend a meeting with 4585 04:32:07,279 --> 04:32:10,319 the RCMP with CEO Simpson and a couple 4586 04:32:10,319 --> 04:32:11,840 of discussion topics that we had with 4587 04:32:11,840 --> 04:32:15,520 the RCMP was the uh potential homeless 4588 04:32:15,520 --> 04:32:17,600 claim and uh displaced people that were 4589 04:32:17,600 --> 04:32:20,080 potentially around the uh central waste 4590 04:32:20,080 --> 04:32:22,880 facility. However, that claim was 4591 04:32:22,880 --> 04:32:25,359 verified by the RCMP that there were no 4592 04:32:25,359 --> 04:32:27,600 um actually no homeless people or 4593 04:32:27,600 --> 04:32:30,080 encampments around that central waste 4594 04:32:30,080 --> 04:32:32,000 facility. Also brought up the question 4595 04:32:32,000 --> 04:32:34,640 about the police requisition 4596 04:32:34,640 --> 04:32:37,120 formula and how that comes to but that 4597 04:32:37,120 --> 04:32:39,040 is dictated by the provincial 4598 04:32:39,040 --> 04:32:41,359 government. So uh over the next few 4599 04:32:41,359 --> 04:32:44,080 years when we see the RCMP requisition 4600 04:32:44,080 --> 04:32:46,319 from you know roughly 1.4 4 million 4601 04:32:46,319 --> 04:32:48,239 going up to nearly 3 million over the 4602 04:32:48,239 --> 04:32:50,319 next few years. That is uh that formula 4603 04:32:50,319 --> 04:32:52,319 is dictated and created by the province, 4604 04:32:52,319 --> 04:32:55,120 not the RCMP. 4605 04:32:55,120 --> 04:32:58,560 I also had uh concerns. I had a resident 4606 04:32:58,560 --> 04:33:01,120 ask me about the speed limits. We have 4607 04:33:01,120 --> 04:33:03,199 three roads that create confusion uh 4608 04:33:03,199 --> 04:33:04,879 with speed limits. One would be the 4609 04:33:04,879 --> 04:33:06,719 Angle Road, the Caroline North Road, and 4610 04:33:06,719 --> 04:33:08,959 then the Arbutus Road. They all have uh 4611 04:33:08,959 --> 04:33:10,639 different speed limits and uh Deputy 4612 04:33:10,639 --> 04:33:13,359 Reev, you and I share a ward word 4613 04:33:13,359 --> 04:33:15,760 boundary there, but uh the angle road is 4614 04:33:15,760 --> 04:33:18,240 80 km an hour, 4615 04:33:18,240 --> 04:33:21,039 Caroline North is 90, Barbutus is 100. 4616 04:33:21,039 --> 04:33:23,279 So I've had residents uh have concerns 4617 04:33:23,279 --> 04:33:27,520 with three different speed limits. So 4618 04:33:27,520 --> 04:33:29,840 having said that, 4619 04:33:29,840 --> 04:33:31,760 I'd like to move that council direct 4620 04:33:31,760 --> 04:33:36,400 administration to bring back information 4621 04:33:36,400 --> 04:33:41,279 regarding the speed limits and options 4622 04:33:41,279 --> 04:33:43,520 for speed limit adjustments on the angle 4623 04:33:43,520 --> 04:33:46,320 road. 4624 04:33:46,320 --> 04:33:56,230 Yes. 4625 04:33:56,240 --> 04:33:59,359 So, I do have a motion on the floor. I'd 4626 04:33:59,359 --> 04:34:00,799 like to open the floor up for discussion 4627 04:34:00,799 --> 04:34:02,480 on that. 4628 04:34:02,480 --> 04:34:06,240 Deputy Reef, go ahead. 4629 04:34:06,240 --> 04:34:08,240 >> Thank you, Ree. And could we also add to 4630 04:34:08,240 --> 04:34:10,561 that the Orus 4631 04:34:10,561 --> 04:34:13,279 North 4632 04:34:13,279 --> 04:34:16,561 and Beaver Flats 4633 04:34:16,561 --> 04:34:20,160 between 12 and 760? 4634 04:34:20,160 --> 04:34:23,520 No, 598. Sorry. 4635 04:34:23,520 --> 04:34:29,510 >> I'd be open to that amendment. 4636 04:34:29,520 --> 04:34:31,520 » Just other examples of where the speed 4637 04:34:31,520 --> 04:34:34,000 limit differs significantly from other 4638 04:34:34,000 --> 04:34:35,199 areas. Thank you. 4639 04:34:35,199 --> 04:34:37,199 >> Are there any other suggestions or 4640 04:34:37,199 --> 04:34:38,561 potential amendments to the motion on 4641 04:34:38,561 --> 04:34:40,320 the floor? Councelor Powell. 4642 04:34:40,320 --> 04:34:41,600 >> Just not sure if it would be an 4643 04:34:41,600 --> 04:34:42,799 amendment or maybe it would be 4644 04:34:42,799 --> 04:34:44,561 discussion when that is brought forward, 4645 04:34:44,561 --> 04:34:46,561 but some of the subdivisions are posted 4646 04:34:46,561 --> 04:34:48,639 at 30 and some of them are at 50. How do 4647 04:34:48,639 --> 04:34:51,680 we make them all at 30 or we've got 4648 04:34:51,680 --> 04:34:54,400 differing um speeds in in some of the 4649 04:34:54,400 --> 04:34:57,920 subdivisions as well? 4650 04:34:57,920 --> 04:35:00,480 >> Okay. So, this uh 4651 04:35:00,480 --> 04:35:03,680 >> I don't I'm not sure. But 4652 04:35:03,680 --> 04:35:05,680 >> so there's there this will uh 4653 04:35:05,680 --> 04:35:07,680 potentially if the motion is supported 4654 04:35:07,680 --> 04:35:09,439 by council could uh have further 4655 04:35:09,439 --> 04:35:10,719 discussion at a regular council meeting 4656 04:35:10,719 --> 04:35:12,240 regarding speed limits on some of the 4657 04:35:12,240 --> 04:35:14,879 municipal highways. 4658 04:35:14,879 --> 04:35:17,119 See no further discussion of the motion 4659 04:35:17,119 --> 04:35:19,119 that is on the floor. Call the question. 4660 04:35:19,119 --> 04:35:21,439 All those in favor 4661 04:35:21,439 --> 04:35:24,959 and that motion is supported by councel. 4662 04:35:24,959 --> 04:35:26,719 Um 4663 04:35:26,719 --> 04:35:28,639 other than that, yeah, I did uh was able 4664 04:35:28,639 --> 04:35:31,600 to enjoy a little bit of time uh have a 4665 04:35:31,600 --> 04:35:33,600 little bit of a summer break for August. 4666 04:35:33,600 --> 04:35:35,520 Are there any questions from any council 4667 04:35:35,520 --> 04:35:38,240 members for myself? Deputy Ree, go 4668 04:35:38,240 --> 04:35:39,520 ahead. 4669 04:35:39,520 --> 04:35:41,119 >> Thanks Ree. Just regarding your 4670 04:35:41,119 --> 04:35:43,920 conversation with the RCMP when you had 4671 04:35:43,920 --> 04:35:45,920 asked them if there was no encampments 4672 04:35:45,920 --> 04:35:49,680 near our central waste facility, 4673 04:35:49,680 --> 04:35:52,480 was there encampments elsewhere that we 4674 04:35:52,480 --> 04:35:54,160 should be aware of? 4675 04:35:54,160 --> 04:35:57,199 >> They didn't identify any that they said 4676 04:35:57,199 --> 04:35:58,480 there was none there. 4677 04:35:58,480 --> 04:35:58,799 >> Okay. 4678 04:35:58,799 --> 04:36:01,359 >> Uh so that was clarified. Um but they 4679 04:36:01,359 --> 04:36:02,879 didn't identify any new ones that they 4680 04:36:02,879 --> 04:36:04,561 were aware of that were anywhere within 4681 04:36:04,561 --> 04:36:07,439 mun clearwater counties municipality. 4682 04:36:07,439 --> 04:36:09,920 So, as indicated by the housing 4683 04:36:09,920 --> 04:36:11,760 association, that may that information 4684 04:36:11,760 --> 04:36:13,760 may have been correct that was presented 4685 04:36:13,760 --> 04:36:14,719 to this council. 4686 04:36:14,719 --> 04:36:16,639 >> That's right. And CEO Simpson and I 4687 04:36:16,639 --> 04:36:18,160 through discussion with the RCMP, that's 4688 04:36:18,160 --> 04:36:20,320 why we'd asked that question. But, um, 4689 04:36:20,320 --> 04:36:22,240 CEO Simpson, please go ahead. 4690 04:36:22,240 --> 04:36:24,400 >> Uh, very quickly to the deputy reev. Um, 4691 04:36:24,400 --> 04:36:25,760 there was, if you recall, some 4692 04:36:25,760 --> 04:36:27,680 conversation that some sections of land 4693 04:36:27,680 --> 04:36:29,600 near the municipal airport may have 4694 04:36:29,600 --> 04:36:32,320 encampments on them. Um, Staff Sergeant 4695 04:36:32,320 --> 04:36:34,719 Leic did dispatch a unit to investigate 4696 04:36:34,719 --> 04:36:36,080 that and determine there were no 4697 04:36:36,080 --> 04:36:38,719 encampments located on the Crownland 4698 04:36:38,719 --> 04:36:41,840 parcels near our airport. So, haven't 4699 04:36:41,840 --> 04:36:44,959 found any yet. 4700 04:36:44,959 --> 04:36:46,240 >> Thank you. I believe there was some 4701 04:36:46,240 --> 04:36:47,760 concern 4702 04:36:47,760 --> 04:36:50,080 out of town sort of along the river. Has 4703 04:36:50,080 --> 04:36:52,639 that been 4704 04:36:52,639 --> 04:36:54,400 looked into as of yet? 4705 04:36:54,400 --> 04:36:57,039 >> Is didn't specifically ask them to look 4706 04:36:57,039 --> 04:36:59,520 in along the river. Um, if you give me 4707 04:36:59,520 --> 04:37:00,959 the general description, just because 4708 04:37:00,959 --> 04:37:03,760 I'm new here, uh, where along the river 4709 04:37:03,760 --> 04:37:06,240 coming east or west of Rocky, I'm happy 4710 04:37:06,240 --> 04:37:08,320 to relay that to the RCMP and ask. 4711 04:37:08,320 --> 04:37:09,680 >> I think that was just how it was 4712 04:37:09,680 --> 04:37:11,279 presented to this council. 4713 04:37:11,279 --> 04:37:12,160 >> Yeah. 4714 04:37:12,160 --> 04:37:15,680 >> From the uh, 4715 04:37:15,680 --> 04:37:18,240 the housing association, but that that's 4716 04:37:18,240 --> 04:37:20,719 fine if there's been none found. That's 4717 04:37:20,719 --> 04:37:22,000 all I need for now. Thank you. 4718 04:37:22,000 --> 04:37:24,320 >> Okay. Thank you. Are there any other 4719 04:37:24,320 --> 04:37:25,600 questions from council members for 4720 04:37:25,600 --> 04:37:28,000 myself? 4721 04:37:28,000 --> 04:37:29,760 Seeing none, I'd be looking for a motion 4722 04:37:29,760 --> 04:37:32,400 to accept 4723 04:37:32,400 --> 04:37:34,240 item number six in today's agenda, 4724 04:37:34,240 --> 04:37:36,160 reports as information. Councelor 4725 04:37:36,160 --> 04:37:37,119 Humphrey, you'd like to make that 4726 04:37:37,119 --> 04:37:37,520 motion? 4727 04:37:37,520 --> 04:37:38,320 >> Yes. 4728 04:37:38,320 --> 04:37:40,000 >> Okay. Councelor Humphrey makes a motion 4729 04:37:40,000 --> 04:37:42,080 that council accept item six under 4730 04:37:42,080 --> 04:37:44,959 reports for information. 4731 04:37:44,959 --> 04:37:46,240 Seeing no discussion, I'll call the 4732 04:37:46,240 --> 04:37:48,719 question. All those in favor? And that 4733 04:37:48,719 --> 04:37:50,719 motion is passed. 4734 04:37:50,719 --> 04:37:52,320 We've been moving into correspondence 4735 04:37:52,320 --> 04:37:55,119 item number seven on today's agenda. Is 4736 04:37:55,119 --> 04:37:56,320 there any discussion on either one of 4737 04:37:56,320 --> 04:37:57,760 these letters? Letter from Minister Dan 4738 04:37:57,760 --> 04:37:59,359 Williams to Reeves of Clearwater County 4739 04:37:59,359 --> 04:38:01,279 and Red Deer County regarding Bill 28 4740 04:38:01,279 --> 04:38:04,000 concerns. And the second letter is for 4741 04:38:04,000 --> 04:38:06,320 the from Clearwater County in support of 4742 04:38:06,320 --> 04:38:07,680 the Caroline School enhancement 4743 04:38:07,680 --> 04:38:10,320 committee project. 4744 04:38:10,320 --> 04:38:12,240 I'm looking forward to RMA to have 4745 04:38:12,240 --> 04:38:14,000 further discussions with Minister Dan 4746 04:38:14,000 --> 04:38:16,320 Williams regarding Bill 28. But uh 4747 04:38:16,320 --> 04:38:17,840 having said that, are there any other 4748 04:38:17,840 --> 04:38:20,400 comments or questions from council on 4749 04:38:20,400 --> 04:38:21,439 either of these items for 4750 04:38:21,439 --> 04:38:23,039 correspondence? If not, we'd be looking 4751 04:38:23,039 --> 04:38:25,600 for a motion to accept correspondence as 4752 04:38:25,600 --> 04:38:27,760 information. Deputy Ree, go ahead. 4753 04:38:27,760 --> 04:38:29,199 >> I'll make that motion to accept 4754 04:38:29,199 --> 04:38:30,879 correspondence as information. 4755 04:38:30,879 --> 04:38:32,000 >> We have a motion on the floor from 4756 04:38:32,000 --> 04:38:34,000 Deputy Rek that council accept 4757 04:38:34,000 --> 04:38:37,199 correspondence as information. 4758 04:38:37,199 --> 04:38:38,639 Seeing no further discussion, I'll call 4759 04:38:38,639 --> 04:38:41,279 the question. All those in favor? Motion 4760 04:38:41,279 --> 04:38:44,000 is supported by council. No notices of 4761 04:38:44,000 --> 04:38:47,520 motion that I'm aware of. 4762 04:38:47,520 --> 04:38:50,080 And uh I'm also very much looking 4763 04:38:50,080 --> 04:38:55,039 forward to discussing that with the uh 4764 04:38:55,039 --> 04:38:57,520 with the minister in November. 4765 04:38:57,520 --> 04:38:59,520 Absolutely. 4766 04:38:59,520 --> 04:39:02,160 So that said, we have the last item of 4767 04:39:02,160 --> 04:39:04,000 today's 4768 04:39:04,000 --> 04:39:05,920 regular council meeting for August 25th, 4769 04:39:05,920 --> 04:39:08,160 2026, which is item number nine, 4770 04:39:08,160 --> 04:39:11,439 adjournment. And uh councelor Serach 4771 04:39:11,439 --> 04:39:13,680 makes a motion for adjournment. 4772 04:39:13,680 --> 04:39:16,240 Call the question. All those in favor? 4773 04:39:16,240 --> 04:39:20,160 And we are adjourned at 122. Thank you 4774 04:39:20,160 --> 04:39:23,719 and have a good day.