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silent mode. As a reminder, the board
sorry, as a reminder to board members,

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please avoid side conversations and
cross talk. Again, welcome to the

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meeting.
Okay. So, um the first order of business

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is the adoption of last month's minutes.
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there weren't I mean I don't think there
were any major changes that need to be

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made. So, they are as they appear. Um is
someone willing to make a motion to

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approve the minutes from last month's
meeting?

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» Approve.
>> Okay. A second.

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» Second.
>> All those in favor, please raise your

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hand.
>> Okay. Minutes have been approved

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unanimously. That moves us on to the
action items for tonight. So our first

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of three tonight, the first one is 2025
AR06. Applicant Spencer Hyatt from

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Signet Tiger Realy has requested
approval of new signage at 412 College

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Avenue. So we will first hear from
Jacob.

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» Sure. So although this property is part
of a PD um and the PD ordinance does

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state that they are going to comply with
the um CM zoning district standards and

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the AR District 2 standards. Um the sign
is presented does comply with those

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standards. The let's see what's in front
of you now is just for the o the um

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residential component of it, not for the
individual businesses that'll come in at

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a later date. It's just for the
apartment complex itself. It's channel

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lit letters with an acrylic face with
LED lights. Um as far as recommendations

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from the staff is just that um a dimmer
be placed on it so that we can adjust it

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if it is too bright. Um, with that I
just turn it over to the applicant for

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their presentation.
>> Okay.

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» Good evening everybody. Um, I believe
you all have the the package that was

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submitted. Um, my name is Spencer Hyatt
on behalf of site signic tiger realy. I

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know this signage as Jacob said is part
of kind of a followup from the PD

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ordinance approval uh part of the
overall project. Um we were coming in

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just for the residential portion of the
signage. Um one of the items we kind of

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wanted to bring to attention um really
just from the residential portion we

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have two illuminated signs uh from on
the parapit. Uh both what we wanted to

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approve kind of achieve was kind of an
offset look where we have on the

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northern portion of the uh west parapit.
Uh we have a uh lighting sign that

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measures 15t 7 in by 3t tall uh running
the length there. Um we also have the

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other identical sign uh on the western
portion of the south facade um showing

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from that uh piece but identical in
nature again from a a channel lit kind

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of 180°ree beam lit angle which you guys
kind of know from a from the technical

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standpoint. We had uh Jacob and the city
team review provide any commentary to

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see where it met. So um with that
um open up to any questions. I am very

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sorry. I should have caught this
earlier, but the one facing the

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neighboring property is not allowed. We
only allow made identification one

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madeification side facing the street
itself. We do not have a provision that

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would allow the one on the side of the
building.

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» Well, aside from that. Okay.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah. We have both on that facade. So,
>> you can only have it facing the street.

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» Yep.
>> So, we'll be looking at that and then

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the sign over the entryway. Is that
correct?

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» Yes. The sign of the entryway um which
you look is kind of the letter the

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lettering measuring one inch uh or 1
foot 2 in each on the letters. Um what

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you're looking at I think from
color kind of a 6500 K pure white color

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that we're trying to achieve with kind
of a square kind of trying to match what

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we've seen among some of the other um
the other signage within kind of the the

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College Avenue corridor.

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Thank you. And then um I just wanted to
see if there was any public input on

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this project.
>> Yes, sir.

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» But feel free ask questions while he's
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» So what is this uh
this P1 or

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the color? Is it a blue color?
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» the frame, yes, it is. It is a blue, but
the the illumination is is a white, so

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it matches kind of our our branding blue
that we've got.

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» Uh, but the that is not illuminated.
Only the white is illuminated.

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» Quick question on the enter exit down
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» No.
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» Just more for uh Yeah, just more for
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» Okay.
I have a fundamental question.

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» Why do we allow lighted signs on the top
of tall buildings in this town? I mean,

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it begins to look like uh Las Vegas
around here with all these housing. You

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know, I just have a blanket opposition
to lighted

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signs on the top of tall buildings in
this town. It's just it to me it's just

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trashy. And I don't know why anyone
needs a sign on the on the top of the

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building. I could understand a sign at
the entrance

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um to let people know where to go, but I
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it's just I'm I'm opposed to but it's a
blanket thing. I know it's within the

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zoning ordinance right now, but I do
think it's something that we should

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address
as a as a as a city.

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Every every tall residential building
now has one on it. And it's like a

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competition of
of lighted signs.

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I don't know what purpose they serve
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like a billboard.
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» Yeah. But so does every hotel, but
that's easier to find the hotels, I

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guess.
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» highway hotels, one thing, but urban
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» Yeah. What is the color that this is
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Um I think in the future it'd be good
color rendering

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the context of the colors that these
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» would be a gray facade as we were
showing here. But that's a that's a good

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point just to kind of show exactly what
the the color is behind it that's kind

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of backing up to this because these are
kind of mounted against the facade

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itself. Uh specifically on the parapit,

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» do you know off hand which
Yeah, it's the exact same. It's the dark

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gray that's um that's showing on that
that hard corner part of the uh I think

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the pal the mockup we just uh we just
went through.

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So also looking at the smaller sign, I
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sign is is
simplistic in nature and requires line

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to be understood
during the daylight and your the

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supports going between the letters on
your stack sign

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» um definitely doesn't help with the
understanding.

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So, I would I would recommend that those
match the color of whatever the

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background structure is or something.
>> I mean, is the board just

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» I don't know what the rest of the the
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daytime
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» you start seeing a lot of extra blue
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» I might be old, but I'm I was still
trying to figure out what it said. I

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think it'd be I think it'd be a more
clear expression if it were a not the

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same color as the letters.
>> So, or if they released thinner so they

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want the same line weight, we'll say, of
the the outline of each letter, it was

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say half the thickness.

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No talk to the sign design company and
just give them that feedback and they

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» I don't understand why it's not on a
solid field

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just have a square field around you know
behind the signs uh the letters

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» it's sitting on the awning correct or is
it against

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» on the awning? Yeah, there's kind of a
it's a bracket kind of pedestal

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bracketing um that's kind of coming up
from the top of the

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» Yeah, similar to what was that the FS
boutique that went

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» Yeah. Yeah. there.
>> Oh, there's mounted up on the awning.

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» That could be a whole plate behind
there. It doesn't have to be bars.

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» Going back to the one on the college or
the large one with parapit. Are the four

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letters individual letters mounted to
the Okay. Okay. So, there is no backing

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or anything.
>> No backing.

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» Okay.

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» But those letters are 5 in deep. It
looks like the side profile is 5 in. Is

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that
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of each.
>> Yeah, it's a huge sign.

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» Well, it it's a huge sign, but at 40t in
the air, it's going to look pretty

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small.
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» and it's going to be a sorry
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that height
>> and only buildings that are 40t tall are

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allowed to have
>> three foot is a massive size.

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» Yeah.
>> Do you understand how big those letters

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are?
>> Yeah. If but again like you said it had

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to be 40t tall to have that big.
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Okay,
>> we can look into changing that.

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» So, I'm a little confused. I'm looking
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» And is it 5 in of white?
So, it looks like there's 3 in of blue.

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And then it's not just the face that
glows, it's actually the whole side

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profile that glows as well.
>> I'm sorry, which uh which sheet you got?

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I just want to make sure I'm following
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» Yeah. So up here,
>> so you have the the blue right there and

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then five inches
of white acrylic here.

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» Mhm.
>> Is that is that is that all glowing as

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well?
>> It's just if you will look at the actual

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letters on page bear with me.
We should have kind of an actual

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illumination key.
I think that's shown just the white is

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going to be eliminated and not the not
the blue,

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» right?
>> So that's kind of the key.

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» Right. But is the 5 in exposure on the
sides of the white letters actually

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glowing?
>> They will. So it's 180°ree kind of show.

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Um so but it'll kind of dim as it kind
of turns. So if you're looking from the

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side, you will be able to see that is it
is illuminated. So it's not just front

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facing. Is that what you're asking?
>> So So the blue doesn't border on the

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sides, it just moves from the back. It's
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» So, it's just the white that's
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see the white from the side.
>> Get that.

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seems a little much.
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» I can see the blue turning.
>> Yeah. Can we have the blue border it on

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the sides?
>> Block that sidelight.

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» Probably accent the blue a little bit
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Like because if you start thinking about
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are probably going to be about five
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there. Nothing visually is going to
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nothing is going to differentiate
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» right?
>> You know, you may have a little bit

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thicker, but I'm guessing it's sheet and
sheet of of white. And so the only thing

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that's going to stand out is probably
the adhesive line

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» if you even see that. So that's a 10-in
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like that becomes
I think it it will blur and and not

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actually make it legible.
So, it's saying it's better to have the

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blue have the blue kind of
>> block off the sides so everything is

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» Yep.
>> to one level instead of having the blue

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behind and the white in front.
>> I mean, cuz that honestly that that

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white letter doesn't need to come out
that far at all. It it could come out

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maybe an inch and a half. All it has to
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So, I I think that's completely
excessive as far as how far that sticks

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out.
>> And especially the glowing at night.

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During the day, not a big deal, but at
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I don't think that's going to work.

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And then the photos of the blue bar that
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color of the
>> that's all that all sits within the blue

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cabinet.
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» Nathan, make sure I'm understand your
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three the 3 in plus the 5 in? Uh
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3 in is basically your blue cabinet.
What what I'm opposed to and I'm I'm not

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speaking for the whole board is I just
want to make sure

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» is the five inch lit profile
of the letters

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» because you're not just lighting the
front. So yes, it's very nice that you

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showed what it's going to look like at
night lit. What you're not showing is

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the extra five inches of that leather
that's being lit on the side

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» that's competing with the front,
>> right?

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if you're not looking straight on that
sign, which no one's 40t tall looking

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straight on that sign, it's going to be
looking like you've had a few too many

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beers because it's going to be this
weird angled blur. And I don't one I

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think it's going to be annoying. Two, I
don't think it's going to be successful.

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Would you think the fact we do have we
don't have a cut off the way we're set

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up on the side and it's kind of goes a
full 180 degrees from where it's uh

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projecting out. Condensing that would
that make it a little like a little bit

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more of a cute and kind of how it's
projecting because I think we just kept

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it completely open and eliminated on all
sides. Would that kind of bringing that

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off to where it's protruding maybe just
more directly

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help a little bit?
I don't know if I understood what you

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just said.
>> So, not coming out as far five inches.

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Is that what you're saying?
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having as much of the
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» the side profile bleed or, you know,
from how that's projecting.

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» I mean, I think it could be an inch and
a half. I think all they have to do is

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clear the LEDs.
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» And I would be okay if it was lit at an
inch and a half. I think if they needed

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more space, then it needed to be a
different color. It needed to be painted

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blue or
>> or extend the border all the way out to

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» done it blue or do something.
>> I think if you can keep it shallow, the

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light off the sides is more effective.
>> Yeah. Tolerable loss.

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» Yeah, I believe our minimum tolerance is
at least an inch and a half, but we'll

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have to add a little bit for the wee
pole at the bottom to give some

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breathing room because I think the LED
backing is what about

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I think that was what close to an inch
and then another half an inch on

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sidewalls. So, we'd have to compress it
down. We can look to compress it down a

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little bit, but we'll just see what the
the minimum tolerances would be to make

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sure it's still functioning properly.
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And
I may have missed it. Have any other

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signs been submitted? Any other
businesses for retail?

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» Retail?
>> Not yet. Yep.

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» So, here's
and I guess this is to the board more

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than to you. I want to make sure that
with approving

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the business sign,
this being the first one, we set a

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standard for the rest of the businesses
that are going in there

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to to hold everything to. Because if we
start stacking and we have all these

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other businesses, not every business is
going to have a sign that, you know, can

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stack and fit a certain way, you know,
on on top of this overhang.

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Um, you know, every other business has
an awning. Like, how do we want

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the rest of these to feel?
So I think we have to keep that in mind.

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» Well, I mean in my opinion
the sign that is the address for the

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building is as a whole the residential
part probably can be distinctive from

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the signs for the commercial businesses.
Again I don't see any need for a sign

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anything other than at the entrance.
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I think we just have to take those one
at a time. But

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» I agree. I mean you want you wouldn't
want some signs sitting out on the

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awnings and some
>> you know on the brick,

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» right?
>> Like it would just get too busy.

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» Now
Bixby be across the street. You guys

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approved a signed package basically said
you know these are the criteria and the

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individual businesses didn't go in front
of you guys. It was the whole overall

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there's basically a I don't know an area
over each commercial unit where they go

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and they have to be the cattle letters.
>> So all the stores shown here that are

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crossed out in red
>> in this. But

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» we're we're not we're not doing the
commercial at this time.

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» No, I understand. But what they're
showing is above the awning on the

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» facade of the building.
>> Yes.

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» So that is where those are supposed to
go in the future. Is that a

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general correct statement?
>> Again, we haven't got a formal

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submission, but that's what's been
rendered so far. I

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» mean, some of them could put their
signage on the windows

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» and not up there.
>> Right.

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» So, we would just set the president with
the first business that comes before us,

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right?
>> I mean, it's unless they want to come

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back with like a signed package and say
this is going to be basic criteria and

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they're and then they hold it at once,
but or you do it case by case. Either

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way,

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» I just want to make sure we don't get
seven different styles of signs.

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» Well, you can see a lot of corp a lot of
franchises and corporate uh

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um business going in. They're going to
have their own logos going in. So, the

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signs are going to be different as long
as you keep it within the same size

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constraints, right? I
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you know just the way these franchises
have logo designs are going to be

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different.
>> Would the dimmer make any difference on

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the lighting on the side?
>> Not on the side prof not on my opinion

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of the side profile. I mean it will on
the you know effect from above you know

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being able to see it.

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I think it was Jimmy Johnson. You guys
think that you required the edge of of

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the sign to be solid so just light shine
through.

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So, what I'm hearing is when it comes to
the sign over the awning at the

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entrance, we would like for, for lack of
a better term, the bracing between the

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letters to be painted
a color similar to the background in the

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building
or explore maybe putting it just on a

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panel. I don't know if there's a
preference either way among the board.

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And then when it comes to the sign up at
the parapit, the idea of bringing in

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that front face to make it more shallow
in order to still allow the light

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through the side. Um but explore is how
shallow can that be? Right. As shallow

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as possible and still clear the LEDs and
have the weep hole. Um was there and

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then the dimmer of course. Was there
anything else that was

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» the location on the south facade? Um
because that's not compliant. Correct.

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» Now, how do y'all feel if the sidewalls
are not

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because they do call it something
different? I just don't know based on

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this drawing. If the sidewalls are not
transparent,

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are you all okay with it at 5 in or
>> I'm not okay with the sign period. So,

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» okay. So, I want to make eye contact
with you.

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» If it blocks the side 100%, it comes all
the way out into blue and blocks the

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light. It could be as deep as it needs.
I'm fine with the five if it were

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» as long as we cut the right
>> as long as we cut the side light out

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» channel to the front.
>> I think that would accomplish what we're

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» Yeah.
>> putting forward.

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» So, does that make sense?
>> It does. I think so.

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» Because they call it a 063 sidewall,
>> right?

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» They're not calling it out as acrylic.
>> Mhm. which makes me second guess whether

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it is opaque
>> or metal

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» or transparent
>> or metal.

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» Right.
>> It just says white returns.

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» So
>> did you see just the sidewalls are

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painted details
>> is what it's saying. So

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» details suggest that it's metal.
>> It's a metal enclosure with a white with

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an acrylic face.

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That's so because it doesn't specify the
material, but if you look at the

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drawing, the material on the sidewalls
on the perimeter are the same thickness

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as the backing.
So, it's like a metal pan with an

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acrylic face.

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» So, in that case, we want it to be the
blue.

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Yeah,
I think so.

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» I mean, anything to make the sign less
obtrusive and garish.

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» Okay. So, I would say if it's if it's if
it's not if it's metal and it's not

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transparent, the depth doesn't matter,
>> right?

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» If it's if it's if If if the face panel
wraps the sides,

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which this detail does not clearly show,
definitely does not show, then it should

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be thinner. But um
so if we approve it as it's detailed,

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then we specify that the sidewalls are
metal

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» or just opaque.
>> Opaque.

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So,

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is there any other feedback or comments
before we move forward?

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» Okay. So, I'm going to read out where I
feel like the the board is and then

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we'll be looking for a motion that um
the signage will first of all the south

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facing sign is gone because that's not
permissible. the sign over the entryway

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on the first floor. We want that um
bracing to be a color that matches the

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background versus the blue that the
lettering is in. And then that the um

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signage and the parapit will be if it is
opaque on the sides that it be the blue

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that matches the um the blue backing.
But if it is translucent, then it

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becomes more shallow, just enough to
clear the LED lights and allow for a wee

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pole
and of course dimmers as well. Um, would

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anybody like to make a motion
for that?

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» So moved.
>> Second.

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» All those in favor, please raise your
right hand.

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» Okay. with one abstain or one against
opposed.

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Okay, thank you very much.
>> Thank you. Appreciate it.

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» Okay, so that moves us to our second
action item. Uh 2025 A05. Applicant Zeve

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Josman or Josman, I'm sorry, is
requesting approval of a new Papa Bear

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car wash at 890 Tiger Boulevard. So,
we'll hear from Jacob first. Um, well,

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they've already in front of you once
since the last time. The only thing that

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I just want to bring up is, you know, I
drove by the one in Anderson and just

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noticed a lot of flashing lights on it
and string light going around it. And,

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you know, our does not allow for string
lights or flashing lights. So, I just

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kind of want to put the applicant on
record that, you know, that's no flash.

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And with that, I'll turn over the the
applicant to tell us what if any changes

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have been made and to um go through the
application.

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» Good evening.
>> Hey, good evening.

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» And if you do state your name before you
start presenting and

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» Sure. I'm Craig Condro with the Arbor
Companies and

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I think we address all the comments that
you guys had on the last one. Then I've

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got the sample board and the stone
sample as well.

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This one's kind of heavy.

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» That's great.
>> Thank you, sir. Sorry.

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They don't make those any smaller, do
they?

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» I'll

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think.
>> What slide you want to go to?

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» You can actually go back.
the actual

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I think the main comments were had
around the wall. So we have a 12 wall in

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the back showing the siding also metal
cap on the top

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similar to the mat wash area

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all the canopies are right at 12 foot
but they match the same height so they

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look consistent throughout the entire
site as the back canopies as well as the

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pay station
building and also the detail canopy cars

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come
going into the back of the building

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and then did bunch of renderings looking
from all four corners.

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You had a question about Holly Avenue
and Holiday East in the back corner of

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the property. What would it look like
with the wall in the back

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and also on the front corner. Basically,
all four corners of the building to look

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see what it looks like from the road. We
try to keep elevation as close to eye

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level as possible so it's
>> reflective what you see from

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the back wall. The coloring, that's the
actual color, but the the lighting and

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blue is a little bit difficult to get.
>> Yeah, the color.

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» It's a darker green color.
>> What What's the color of the trim?

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Because I don't see that color
represent.

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» The trim is actually that lighter color
on the top.

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» This white.
>> Yes.

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» Yeah.
>> Cuz it's shown as dark like red.

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» Oh, I'm that that matches the canopy.
The wood color. It's the same stain

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color.
>> Yes.

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» Yes.
>> So, it's actually like a bronze.

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» Yeah. It's It's an opaque stain. Um it's
an art opaque stain.

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So, this is stained hill country color.
Is that the

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» that one stain?

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That's the same colors as

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I'm just wondering are these brand
specific colors?

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» Yes. Yeah, they've got five different
locations.

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» And one just point of clarity now,
you're going to come back later for the

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sign package.
>> Yeah, that's

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» because the signs have been different on
different renders.

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» Yeah, that's just a placeholder on the
side.

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» That's fine. Get you started and then
come back in.

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» Okay.

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Can you just walk me really quickly
through that wall that faces the

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residential neighborhood behind? I see
it called out, but I just want to make

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sure I'm seeing it correctly. So, it's a
masonry wall, right?

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» Um, so just talk about how that's
finished for me so I can make sure I

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have a clear. it it'll be painted on the
inside of the site and then on the

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outside will be the same siding. The
corner and the back will all be the same

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siding, the same green siding
>> and then have a metal cap on top of it,

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you know, to cover the siding in the in
the bar.

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» This here is the detail for that wall.
>> But it's that

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» it's got siding on it even though it's
mason,

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» but it's more that buttermilk green
color.

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» It's it's not the
>> that Yeah.

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» Now, is the siding on both sides both
facing the residential and the inside?

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» No, it's just on the outside.
>> Just on the outside.

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» Got it.

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» Um,

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Mr. Chairman, I I was not present at the
previous meeting. What was the

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consensus or input that they came back
with specifically

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that the board or issues that the board
had at the last meeting? Um there

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weren't really a lot of issues per se
other than we talked about the um

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awnings being at the same height. We
wanted to make sure that um all the

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noise making machinery was housed within
the building.

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Um we did talk about that back wall. We
did not get into vegetation though. We

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did not talk about that. But in terms of
overall like plan, it was really just

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clarifying questions asked. There
weren't any.

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» Yeah, that's the article for the meeting
was more not that something had to be

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changed, more things had to be clarified
>> because we had some audience members who

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asked some questions for clarity and we
do have some public comment as well, but

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was mainly just getting clarity on a
couple of things. There there wasn't

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really any direction.
the there was just some concerns about

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the queueing of the cars, which I think
the plan demonstrates how that happens.

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» Oh, and we wanted more renderings of
what it looked like approaching it.

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» Thank you.
>> Now, we did get two uh emails in public

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comments on this one. Um I think one of
them was probably ahead of time and we

424
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,000
got one today.
>> I only have the one from

425
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:49,359
» Well, we got the one from Raj that was
sent in earlier with the application.

426
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:52,640
I've got one from Stephanie.
>> This is just the We only see one here.

427
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,560
» You don't have it.
>> Okay. Well,

428
00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:57,119
» check the folder.
>> It was

429
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,480
We got a copy.
>> Yeah, they got a copy of it. It was sent

430
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,079
out.
>> We have a copy of it sent out with the

431
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:05,760
stat, right?
>> But basically, the property owner of

432
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,880
Ruby Tuesdays said that they're
concerned with noise in the future.

433
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:10,720
» Oh, yeah. We got that emailed to us,
>> correct? Yes.

434
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,520
» You guys got that email to you a while
ago.

435
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:16,079
» Got it.
>> So, that was their concern with noise

436
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:20,800
for future development. I'll be
completely honest with you. Guy who owns

437
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:25,680
it does hotels. So I think he's worried
about you know future um you know if he

438
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:28,880
does a hotel there um you know noise
from it in

439
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:32,400
» any any businesses like St. Residential
under the same noise order and so they'd

440
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:38,000
have to adhere to everything you know
that we all adhere to downtown

441
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:42,079
» or nois put the vacuums upstairs inside
the building as well. Well, the way the

442
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:47,040
noise orders reach is 24/7. You got to
make sure you don't from 100 ft from the

443
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:54,079
source. It cannot be sustained over 90
dB or over 90 dB intermittently over a 5

444
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:58,000
minute period. Um, after 10:30 you it
doesn't matter after 10:30 to 7:00 a.m.

445
00:36:56,240 --> 00:37:02,240
If we hear anything, somebody can go and
complain. So, if there I don't I doubt

446
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:07,440
you guys are open 24/7. So, as long as
there's no noise after 10:30 at night

447
00:37:05,839 --> 00:37:11,800
» and somebody's washing your car at 4 in
the morning, you might want to go check

448
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,800
the trunk.

449
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,240
» The equipment does shut down when you
close.

450
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:20,960
» Yes.
>> And how about the lighting? Is the

451
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:26,560
lighting on the property shut down or
other than like security lighting?

452
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,040
» Yeah. Yeah. So, we can we
>> you can come up and

453
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,920
» we have full control over all the
lighting. We can do whatever you guys

454
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,440
ask us to do when it comes to lighting.
The only thing that will be on are the

455
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:41,920
street lamps that are in the parking lot
and lighting underneath the vacuum area.

456
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:46,720
Um we can have it turn off. That's not
like we can set timers. Like we have

457
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:50,640
timers on everything now. Um we just
like for instance Anderson allows us to

458
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:56,240
have the lights on. So, when it comes to
crime and homelessness, going through

459
00:37:53,200 --> 00:38:01,359
and undoing cyclones and going through
our trash and stuff like that, it does

460
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:06,640
kind of thwart that. Um,
so that we can put anything on a timer

461
00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:10,000
though that you guys want.
And I just want to clarify. I'm sorry.

462
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,240
100 ft 90.
>> You can you can look it up on the

463
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,760
website. It's under orders.
>> Yeah, I just sent it to you guys.

464
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:20,480
» Just want to make sure. I believe we
were under 80 um in our other locations.

465
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:23,280
That's thing. We can run a sound test
for you guys. It's no problem.

466
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:26,400
» Great.
>> Um I'm just going to go ahead and just

467
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:33,680
read the other public input and then we
can get into some specifics. Um so this

468
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:37,599
is from Stephanie Platt who is um a
resident in Clemson that says, "I oppose

469
00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:41,599
the idea of building another car wash in
the city of Clemson. We have enough car

470
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:45,440
washes already. I would rather see a
city parking garage at this location so

471
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:49,760
people would have easier access to the
businesses on 123. If you want car

472
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:54,960
washes, let these massive student
housing projects have these have these

473
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:59,800
» own for their have them for their own
residents.

474
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,800
» So,

475
00:39:01,850 --> 00:39:06,560
[Music]
financial

476
00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:09,680
» we probably rent out all the storage
facility there.

477
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:13,520
» I mean, I I would be interested in the
idea of the lighting because it is ab

478
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:18,160
budding so much residential property. I
mean I but we need safety and security

479
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:22,640
but I also would like to minimize
you know how much light is

480
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:29,079
agree to put them in on timers and then
if in the future if it's requested we

481
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,079
can you know adjust the time

482
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:39,359
all the pillars have up down lighting
um that we typically for us at least

483
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:49,520
You said all the pillars.
>> I'm sorry.

484
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,079
» Yeah, the columns.
>> The columns have

485
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:57,680
» like for all
>> those have up

486
00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:01,520
there. Not all the posts like for the
>> No, no, no. That's just under lighting

487
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,839
under the canopies and stuff. But on all
those columns, we have an up down light.

488
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,040
That's
>> okay.

489
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,520
» Color.
>> We can make it any color,

490
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:12,400
» right?
Okay.

491
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,960
» That's not on the on the back side. It's
only on the side facing the vacuum

492
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:18,320
machines, right?
>> Yeah. It's on the the front and the side

493
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,599
facing the car.
>> Yeah. In the back, I believe.

494
00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:23,440
» Yeah. I think they're show two shown on
there. But if

495
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:29,240
» right here,
>> they don't put out much light, but if if

496
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,240
you're concerned about res,

497
00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:32,560
» but there's none shown on this side
here.

498
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:35,119
» Right.
>> There's one.

499
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:38,800
» Not on the Ruby. Yeah. on the roof
>> which is the Ruby TC side.

500
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:42,480
» Yeah. You look in the elevation on the
right side on the top.

501
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:47,760
» Oh, you know there are actually shown
here. There's in the light.

502
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:52,200
» I can take this off. There's no need for
me to be on that side.

503
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,200
» Yeah.

504
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:04,079
And so just to reiterate what Jacob was
saying earlier and I've seen car washes

505
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:09,040
where there's light that reflects off
the suds, right? So no flashing or

506
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:13,520
multiolor lights or rope lights or
anything like that.

507
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:17,119
» Well, throughout the day there would be.
>> But is is that all interior?

508
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,520
» Yeah, that's all inside the car wash.
>> But is is it like facing out the end of

509
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,839
it or is it like
>> No. So like there like they're above the

510
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:28,800
windows inside to provide the show
inside the car wash. So when you drive

511
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:36,319
by, you're going to see some lighting
from the show during the day.

512
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:41,280
» The end is where the blowers are that's
facing the street. So all the lights

513
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:45,520
inside the tunnel behind the blowers,
there's big arches, they have blowers

514
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:48,800
that would kind of block the view of any
lights that you can see.

515
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:55,040
» Yes. You don't like physically see the
light itself. You just see the the the

516
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:58,400
the color. It's not
At night it's a show, but during the day

517
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,160
it's
>> What time you guys are going to be

518
00:41:59,359 --> 00:42:02,160
closing?
>> 8 o'clock.

519
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:06,079
» Okay. So, you won't have to work one
night. So,

520
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:10,319
» yeah. Only in December and January.
>> Is that Is that an issue at all?

521
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:13,680
» Well, I mean, we don't It's mostly
exterior. I don't think we really

522
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,640
regulate the flashing lights inside
because then we'd have to start doing it

523
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:21,200
for like bars and stuff like that. We've
never gotten that before. It's external

524
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:25,920
lights. You can't have flashing and rope
lights. Um, and I I think it, you know,

525
00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:28,880
can only be on when someone's going
through it. We don't want it to be

526
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:32,079
shining just all the time.
>> Yeah. I go to Mod Wash all the time and

527
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,680
now I went there today. You can't even
see it when you're outside.

528
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:35,680
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

529
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:38,880
» It's real. I mean, during the day, it's
real that, you know, the the thing about

530
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,520
is at night and we're happy.
>> You guys have a lot more open

531
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:44,800
» windows.
>> Windows.

532
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:50,400
» Again, we can shut them off at 8:00 when
we close if that's what

533
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:52,640
we need to do.
Yeah, I would definitely say the

534
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,720
flashing lights get shut off on you
guys.

535
00:42:54,160 --> 00:43:01,920
I just don't want the other one is
bright. Are

536
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:06,000
» those all windows on the side open?
>> No, it's but it's windows all the way

537
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:11,440
down the side. The very last one in the
back that can be opened during the

538
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:16,079
summer. That's where the car enters onto
the conveyor. There's no equip equipment

539
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,280
right there. It's just where they bring
it. If it gets really hot, they'll open

540
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:26,520
the door. It's a rolling door.
>> Yes.

541
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,520
» That's basically on the property line.

542
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,520
So,

543
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,400
I'm the one that gets to deal with
plants.

544
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:54,000
Uh, you have a note here. um along
Holiday Avenue

545
00:43:49,520 --> 00:44:01,359
row screening uh one shrub every 3 ft.
Uh but the shrub you're using is

546
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:06,640
a shrub that stays small. So I'm
wondering

547
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:12,960
what you're screening or is it just
meant to be a row of shrubs?

548
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:17,359
When I think screening, I think five,
six feet tall.

549
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:24,359
Um there's a requirement for a
three-foot BM on there and then those be

550
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,359
on top of

551
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:38,160
» I don't think you have a foot BM there.
>> Hey, I'm Jared St. Yes. There is a

552
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:44,240
requirement for a car wash to have a
threeoot BM on every street bridge. So

553
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:49,920
» which on this plan would be the left,
the bottom and the right.

554
00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:56,480
» So you don't show that as a cont.
It's not a grading plan. So it's called

555
00:44:52,079 --> 00:45:03,839
out on the site plan. Um
survey done yet to be fair. So there is

556
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:08,720
no of that in there yet. But that's what
the code request

557
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:16,960
conditions allow a car wash and whatever
this is. Would be nice to see

558
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:21,599
section through there. It shows if the
shrubs are

559
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:26,960
uh like the bottom of that burm or
sitting on the top of that burm or you

560
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:34,160
know and it would be it would be good to
see a section through there from the

561
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:39,359
curb out into the into the
canopy area.

562
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:42,319
[Music]
I think they're along the sidewalks to

563
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:46,960
kind of provide some separation.
>> I understand. But you understand that if

564
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:52,000
a if a small shrub is at the base of the
burm versus at the top of the burm, it's

565
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:57,520
going to provide a different screening
function. It won't provide any screening

566
00:45:53,839 --> 00:46:00,560
function as Nathan pointed out just a
shrub. And then if it's at the bottom of

567
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,880
the burm, it also won't provide any
screening function. You see what I'm

568
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,760
saying? I get it. But
>> I don't I don't think we want to provide

569
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:10,720
a three-ft tall burm than a six foot
tall bush on top of that. either.

570
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,880
» Well, I I'm saying it could be a shorter
bush if it's on the top of the burm. If

571
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,319
it's
>> right, if it's

572
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:21,200
» so based on its proximity to the
sidewalk, the the likelihood that it's

573
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:24,079
on top of a 3-ft burm,
>> it is not. I would say it's definitely

574
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,520
not on top of the burm there because
that burm

575
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:31,839
» is basically like at the at the bottom
left hand side of that page. It's 12

576
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,560
feet from the sidewalk.
>> So, basically your sod would be the

577
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:41,280
burm,
>> right? What from what my understand so

578
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:45,920
what I'm thinking is if that shrub layer
got moved back to on top of your burm

579
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:52,720
and your sod layer came up next to your
sidewalk one it it's less of a pruning

580
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:57,160
maintenance issue because you're not
trying to always keep holl

581
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:08,000
your BMS act and your plantings are
working together to accomplish the

582
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:11,839
intent of the burm planting combination.
>> Um, I do have a question about this

583
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:17,280
area.
So, as we're I have had a topographic

584
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:20,400
survey done since we did this and I got
it back like last week. So, we've been

585
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:25,440
working on this in our office this week.
This area is about roughly right now two

586
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:29,680
foot above the sidewalk. So, is a
three-foot BM

587
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:33,119
3T like if the if the back of the curb
is 3 feet above the sidewalk or is it

588
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:38,079
supposed to be three foot up and then
three foot back down? I'm I'm asking. It

589
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:43,280
says threeight. It's pretty loose,
right? So, if it's just total if the if

590
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:48,160
the vacuum spaces were 3 ft above the
sidewall there and we had bushes, you

591
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:51,200
know, closer to the vacuums, I guess, to
to screen along along there. Is that is

592
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:56,079
that the same intent?
>> Let's see. That's where the section

593
00:47:52,880 --> 00:48:01,920
comes in handy. I don't if you're saying
the vacuum the paving at the vacuum is 3

594
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:05,040
foot above the sidewalk
>> to

595
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,200
» it's a generic question.
>> I mean that's where the section would

596
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,160
help us.
>> If you look at the matwash enclosure

597
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:17,400
area
>> I I put bushes there. Those those bushes

598
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,400
are 3 foot tall. It's on A103B.

599
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:23,680
» Like I said it's just a section would be
helpful.

600
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:27,599
» I 100%. It doesn't show a burm at all.
You see what we're saying?

601
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:32,079
» Right. Right there. If you look on the
>> I understand. Yeah. I'm looking at Yeah.

602
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:37,440
But there's no burm there.
>> Yeah. The the burm would be this side of

603
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:43,200
the those bushes. And if the bushes I
think show two foot minimum height is

604
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:47,520
what it shows.
>> You would actually see the burn on the

605
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:51,280
inside. All I'm saying is I think a
section would make it so that we all

606
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,079
have a mutual understanding of what
you're doing there.

607
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:57,920
» But going back to that earlier question,
I would think the intent is you want

608
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:02,079
height above.
>> I would assume the property

609
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:06,480
» that the that the burm was going to be 3
ft above where the general, you know,

610
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:09,200
parking lot
>> no matter where it lands on the sidewalk

611
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,359
side.
>> Correct.

612
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:14,960
» The idea is that you're
>> Yeah,

613
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:19,040
that's why I'm asking. It doesn't say
that the intent of the BM it doesn't say

614
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:23,440
that the intent of the BM is to do X or
Y. And I'm okay with it either way. I'm

615
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:26,880
just I'm just trying to as we as we
really working through this,

616
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:29,760
» you know, this is a schematic set of
plans.

617
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:34,079
» I think the thoughts were that um in
general car washes have a you know a lot

618
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:38,800
of cars parked in them and the vacuums
are usually considered ugly. So it's

619
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:43,760
basically a way to screen the usually
car wash considered off level and it was

620
00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:48,079
an idea of screening more of the whole
thing from view. So the idea is that the

621
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:52,160
burm would be above and then the
plantings on that and then the you know

622
00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:56,319
the development will be down below.
>> That's what I thought. I'm just

623
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:58,960
» yeah I need to adjust it and
>> yeah I just want to make sure you know

624
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,599
it creates a little bit of a drainage
problem.

625
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:04,240
» Yeah. Truthfully, but I do see that
>> it's going to be a little it's going to

626
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:08,559
be a little tricky at the front where we
have a side where the we have the

627
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:10,240
sidewalk coming out um to Tiger
Boulevard.

628
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:14,800
» Yeah. I mean, we understand I mean
there's obviously

629
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,280
potentially have retaining wall and you
know sidewalk goes through it.

630
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,559
Obviously, the sidewalk's not going to
go over the burl,

631
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:20,640
» right?
>> Yeah. We we got we get there's going to

632
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:25,520
be
>> I just want you know we also have a sign

633
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:31,520
out there and it's for our conversation
is pretty much right on the rideway.

634
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:34,800
» Mhm. And that's okay, too. Um,
I don't think your

635
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:38,079
» BM
tapered into the BM. It's cutting into

636
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:41,359
the BM, right?
>> It would be in this scenario. Yes. And

637
00:50:39,839 --> 00:50:44,319
and I'm okay with doing that. I just I
don't think you want the sign on top of

638
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:47,839
the BM. So,
>> no, there's a whole other regulation

639
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:51,680
about that, too.
>> Okay. I'm not trying to do that.

640
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:55,200
» Let's not get into signage today. We'll
resubmit for that.

641
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:58,400
» Yeah. We don't not here for signage. I'm
just saying as a section would be

642
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:59,920
helpful and having us all have a mutual
understanding of what you're doing

643
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,760
there.
>> Understood.

644
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:06,160
» Okay.
>> Got it.

645
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:13,760
» And it seems to me that the BM side is
harder to maintain than because it's all

646
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:18,000
slope. Um but anyway, um yeah, let let's
rethink that area. But overall, I mean,

647
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:23,119
it's a very thorough set of drawings.
You know, it's probably one of the nicer

648
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:29,359
car washes I've ever seen. uh
potentially. Um and so I mean I think

649
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:32,960
that's main my main concern is what what
what happens there.

650
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:37,760
» I have a question too about the trees. I
have a per I'm not a landscape architect

651
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:42,400
to be 100% clear.
I hate when I see a tree island that has

652
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:44,800
a buttressing I think is the word where
they build up the tree island three or

653
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:49,280
four feet and then put a tree at the top
of that. Is that what you want to see?

654
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:52,640
Is the tree on the top of this burm as
well? Are you looking for bushes on top

655
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:54,960
of the burm and tree at the bottom of
the b?

656
00:51:52,960 --> 00:52:00,720
» I would rather the trees be on the
bottom of the burm and the shrubs that

657
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:02,559
are evergreen be at the top of the burm.
>> Did I say that correctly?

658
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,839
» I think you did.
>> Maybe. Um

659
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:10,160
» just want to throw in something. If the
trees are within 4t of the sidewalk,

660
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,079
you're required to have a root barrier
in.

661
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:15,040
» Yeah, you did ask us to move them off
the sidewalk here, which is part of what

662
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:18,559
this shows because we got the shrub edge
here. I'm just saying I'm just trying to

663
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:21,280
think will be you're going to get start
getting a little tricky when you're

664
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:25,359
starting to do the uh everything.
>> But also keep in mind and and it

665
00:52:23,359 --> 00:52:31,040
actually doesn't look bad if you did
your evergreen shrubs with trees in line

666
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:36,000
with those shrubs. Then you have your
evergreen line, the trees coming up

667
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:41,680
through. if they're being maintained
properly, then you have this nice screen

668
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:45,680
hedge with the vertical of the trunks
coming up and then the canopies of the

669
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:54,000
trees coming out out of that. So,
there's ways to do it. You're the island

670
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:59,520
sort of volcano tree scenario I don't
think applies. I understand because I

671
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:03,599
don't like that either. Um, but I think
in a linear burm

672
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:07,280
» it would look better than in like a
volcano that I think in that makes

673
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:12,240
sense.
>> But I have to say overall your plant

674
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:18,319
selections are great. The only thing I
see and this is just due to personal

675
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:26,319
experience is your last plant. The uh
the Mexican feather grass tends to not

676
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:30,720
be as hearty as we would want it to be.
Um,

677
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:40,000
so a substitution for that which does
the exact same thing, same height, uh,

678
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:44,480
would be a ham hamlin grass. H A M E L N
grass accomplishes the exact same thing,

679
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:48,040
but it's a lot harder.
>> Okay,

680
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,040
» so

681
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,960
» you're welcome. You said it. I
appreciate that.

682
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,359
» Not L E N.
>> Correct.

683
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:03,280
» I I
make sure sound like what you spelled.

684
00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:06,559
So that's why I was asking. So thank you
for that. Um and that we are still going

685
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,880
to provide. I noticed that when I I
spent a lot of time out there yesterday

686
00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:12,000
and today
>> there's a sidewalk on the other side of

687
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:14,720
the road already next to the Hitburger.
>> Yes.

688
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:20,079
» So sidewalk on both sides of the road is
the intent and the desire. And that's

689
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:26,000
fine. I just And there's a lot of
I'm going to use it evergreen. There's a

690
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:28,400
lot of overgrown shrubbery along
Holiday East now.

691
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:32,400
» Yeah,
>> it's very nasty, truthfully.

692
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,319
» Provides a great screen for those
people, but that's not going to be

693
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,240
there. No
>> when we take put the sidewalk in and

694
00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:38,800
everything else.
>> Take out that like

695
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:41,440
» that's gone
>> and it's going to be gone. I'm just

696
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,200
making sure we're all clear on that.
That's okay.

697
00:54:41,839 --> 00:54:46,160
» Yeah. And the neighbors are aware of
that.

698
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:51,280
» Okay. So, something you may want to
consider

699
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:59,839
is your mulched areas with the trees
along Holiday East is you may want to

700
00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:05,119
switch that to evergreens.
Again, accomplishing something. You

701
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:13,599
could even do the trees with evergreens
and shrubs doing the same thing but sort

702
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:21,599
of providing I mean I know those are
>> sort of company colors but the bottom

703
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:27,140
right evergreen foam or fog or whatever
that is is

704
00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:33,920
» material. Uh yes, sorry. That's that's
[Laughter]

705
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:36,160
» that color is not quite it. If I was
living there, I would want that

706
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:40,000
screened.
>> That is a It's not It's a little

707
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:45,440
» It's
Yeah, it's quite right. It's It's kind

708
00:55:43,359 --> 00:55:50,559
of got a seaf foam green and it needs to
be more of a like a woodland green based

709
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:58,960
on what you're talking
>> and so um I would even be okay and and

710
00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:04,559
if because that screening probably
doesn't need to be company colors for

711
00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:09,920
that fence.
um going with something like a

712
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:16,240
Charleston green or black forest green
>> that would be just a lot more

713
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:19,520
visibly
not present

714
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,920
» might be a better option.
>> Is that the only place that color shows

715
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,599
up?
>> No, that's on the building as well. But

716
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:27,680
this is on
>> is this facing away towards Holiday

717
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:33,760
East?
>> This is facing away towards Holiday

718
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:38,319
East. If if it got screened with the
trees,

719
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:44,799
» basically what that color is is is if
you squint at a shrub, it's the shade.

720
00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:50,960
» It's the shadow. It looks black with a
little bit of green in it. And so it is

721
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:54,799
truly a color that helps disappear.
>> I do like the fact that you're putting

722
00:56:52,319 --> 00:57:01,839
the fence on top of the burm, which
means we have privacy fence and burm,

723
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:06,400
which is great. But that just makes that
color even a little more prevalent.

724
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:10,240
» That's
>> better than a white fence

725
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:12,319
» probably. Maybe not. I don't know.
>> And that's okay. We can Yeah, we can

726
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,880
show that.
>> I'm going to keep white clean.

727
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,400
» That's going to drive me nuts.
>> But you know the the parking deck behind

728
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:22,400
Bixby, it went darker for that reason.
And it wasn't a Charleston green, but

729
00:57:20,319 --> 00:57:26,359
it's darker and it does
>> blend in better.

730
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:35,200
I mean, even if it was stained or
something, I just It's got to be not

731
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:38,559
that.
>> I mean, even if you put maybe the bronze

732
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,280
of the
>> Yeah. the brown.

733
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,000
» Yeah. The age of brown.
>> You go the brown.

734
00:57:42,319 --> 00:57:47,839
» Yeah. Brown's fine.
>> Aged bronze

735
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:51,599
» and and evergreens instead of the
>> Okay.

736
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:56,720
What you said was these are acer rub. So
that's red maples on the back street

737
00:57:53,760 --> 00:58:02,079
there along Holly east ever
>> like evergreen. You could do something

738
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:06,400
right or something like that.
>> I I would do something dense like a

739
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:15,240
Robin Holly something like that.
Something narrow evergreen not going to

740
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:15,240
be a big issue. Okay. Um

741
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,280
so

742
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:24,880
» so I tried to take good notes. So I will
verbalize this and then we'll just make

743
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:30,480
sure we're all on the same page. Right.
So we'll let's start with um when it

744
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:34,720
comes to lighting the idea of making
sure like you said the lighting is on

745
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:38,720
timers and if we if you know the city
needs to revisit you know lights getting

746
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:46,319
turned off at a certain time at night
that that would be desirable. Um,

747
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:50,880
we talked about the placement of the
shrubs in relation to the burm. The idea

748
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:55,200
of maybe bringing the grass forward and
then the shrubs up more in line with the

749
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:59,359
trees toward the top of the burm. We
talked about replacing the Mexican

750
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:05,359
feather grass with emerald grass. Is
that right? Um, and then on the back

751
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:10,079
side, changing the back wall from the
corporate green color that's proposed to

752
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:14,559
a darker color and then using some
evergreens in between the trees as well

753
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:17,920
to help kind of blend. Um,
>> or evergreens instead of the

754
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,960
» instead of the trees. And you
recommended the Robin Holly, right? Yes.

755
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:26,319
For that,
>> was there anything else? I would like a

756
00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:32,599
section through the
>> section

757
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:32,599
» along Holland Street and and College

758
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:39,839
» supposed to have a a row of shrubbery
along Holiday East as well.

759
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,440
» It's a different type of buffer than the
other sides.

760
00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:46,400
» It's a different type of buffer.
>> Okay. I just want to make sure it wasn't

761
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:50,720
It's not there under the
>> Oh, and then the sconces along the north

762
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:53,839
side along the Ruby Tuesday.
>> Ruby side. You want those?

763
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,640
» East side. East side.
>> East side. Yes.

764
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:59,280
» Got it.
>> Well, it is north. It says according to

765
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:04,760
this
>> boulevard is north.

766
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,760
» Well, your north arrow is then

767
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:11,920
» north arrow on that plan is wrong.
>> Landscape plan. Yeah, that one's wrong.

768
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:18,720
» So, Scott says removed on the Ruby
Tuesday side of the facade

769
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:20,400
» sections across college and what's the
other one?

770
01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:22,000
» College and Holly.
>> Holly.

771
01:00:21,359 --> 01:00:27,839
» Okay.
>> Holiday. holiday. Yeah.

772
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:32,000
» And
we're okay. There were two sconces on

773
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:36,480
the rear of the building as well, right?
Is that was that fine to leave?

774
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:41,760
» I was I'm okay with that. Are y'all
coming back with an official lighting

775
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:44,760
plan with all the post lights or was
that

776
01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:52,119
» It's right after landscape.
>> Oh, yeah. Page.

777
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:08,559
seems very small for some reason. I
apologize for that.

778
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:14,480
I think we need to note that uh that
you know the timing of the lighting or

779
01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:21,680
you know the percentage of the lighting
that's off at night type of thing um be

780
01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:26,240
addressed. I don't know how best way to
evaluate that

781
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:29,599
if that's a
>> lighting security.

782
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:35,280
» Yeah.
>> But that's that's a sub

783
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:37,359
that's a subjective measurement,
>> right?

784
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:42,640
» Could y'all could you all come with a
proposal for what you think would be

785
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:46,480
appropriate in terms of minimal lighting
on it?

786
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:50,079
» Can we respond to that? Can I um Yeah.
Can I test it at a couple of our other

787
01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:54,720
sites and just see what we think is
>> maybe every other column instead of each

788
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:56,160
one on that side?
>> Every other column.

789
01:01:55,839 --> 01:02:00,880
» Well,
>> I just think I just think that the doors

790
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,640
and any security points they want to
have light.

791
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:08,480
» Yeah.
>> The Ruby Tuesday site.

792
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:11,680
» We won't have any sconces on that side.
>> No, I think that's what you said, right?

793
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:15,119
You guys wanted the sconces removed from
the Ruby Tuesday side. Is that correct?

794
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,440
There's a lot of mechanical equipment on
these projects, right? So, they don't

795
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:20,079
want people coming in and trying to, you
know, strip the wires out of them and,

796
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:23,040
you know, go through the trash cans and
things like that. That's why they

797
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:25,520
typically leave the lights on at most of
these places.

798
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,319
» Maybe a little lower level, but they're
on just

799
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:31,200
» mostly to keep people.
>> We can certainly see about Denver. Let

800
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:34,160
me just test it at one of our others.
>> No, sorry.

801
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:38,400
» Yeah, holiday but not holiday.
>> Oh, not holiday, but holiday comfortable

802
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:40,240
with take a look at it. See if we think
it works.

803
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:43,599
» Just test it at some of the other sites
and just see what

804
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:46,960
» you know.
We can't dim the ones that are

805
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:51,760
completely over.
>> We can't dim the street lights

806
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:55,040
» that are on the site,
>> but we'll

807
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:59,440
» let me test it. Let me see what I can
turn off and I can take some pictures so

808
01:02:57,839 --> 01:03:04,079
you guys can see what it looks like at
night with the tunnel lights off.

809
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:09,040
» But definitely turning off the flashing
interior lights at night.

810
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:15,039
» For sure. No problem. Was there anything
else that in terms of guidance?

811
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,359
» Okay. Thank you all so much. We
appreciate it.

812
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:20,960
» Thank you guys.
>> Thank you for your time.

813
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:25,920
» Oh, you have bullets.
>> Oh, yes. Or they

814
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,400
» Yeah, we're going to hold on to those
boards.

815
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:33,119
» Unless something's changing, we're going
to hold on to those that the rest of the

816
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:37,520
night.
>> Just like that.

817
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:41,680
» Okay. Thank you. Thank y'all. So, this
moves us through our our to our third

818
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:45,599
action items tonight. 2025 A07.
Applicant Quinton Brown. That was just

819
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:48,559
» Oh, goodness.
>> Did you guys want to make a decision or

820
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:52,240
» Oh, I thought it was just preliminary
like guidance.

821
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,359
» Under action items.
>> It was They had came back from this was

822
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:58,960
their second time in front of you guys,
but they didn't seem to be I think

823
01:03:57,359 --> 01:04:02,720
they're aware that they're coming back.
>> I felt like there were enough things to

824
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,319
look at.
>> Yeah.

825
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:10,720
» Okay. Okay,
>> sorry. I saw that preliminary and I was

826
01:04:05,839 --> 01:04:16,079
like, okay. Um, and then,
okay, 2025 AR7 applicant Quinton Brown,

827
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:20,799
C CNW Estates LLC is requesting
preliminary review of a new commercial

828
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:25,359
building at 203 frontage road. So, we'll
hear from Jacob to begin with.

829
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:31,200
» Yes, this property is zoned CP1 in AR
District 5. Um, this is phase two of

830
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:37,119
2011 fronted road. I think I've passed
out some uh pictures of what the current

831
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:40,799
phase looks like. Um
basically they're pretty early on in the

832
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:43,200
design. Wanted you guys get your
feedback right away. When they come back

833
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:48,480
in front of you, they're going to have
to ask for a waiver from having the

834
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:51,839
parking in front of the um
building between the building and

835
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:55,520
street. But because of how the first
phase was developed, there's really no

836
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,880
other choice. And
>> part's already in place, is it not?

837
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:02,240
Yeah, there there'll be some more added
to this, but yes, there's parking's

838
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:06,640
already in place. Also, there's roads on
three sides actually.

839
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:09,359
» Yeah, everything is
>> it's an eyeball.

840
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:13,039
» So, it's
>> Yeah. So, we're just just to be aware

841
01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:17,920
that they will be get asking for a
waiver and city will be the staff will

842
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:22,359
be recommending approval of it of that
waiver. Um

843
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:28,559
I guess with that, I'll just turn it
over to the applicant, let them give

844
01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:28,559
their presentation.

845
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,280
And

846
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:45,680
» thank you, sir.
>> Good evening, Quinton Brown. Uh, so what

847
01:05:43,359 --> 01:05:51,039
we're looking to do is build a retail
building, 7,000 ft², walk out basement

848
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:55,200
style, 203 front ended road. Kind of
want to

849
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:58,079
complement the building next to it. Uh,
as you can see is there's already a

850
01:05:56,799 --> 01:06:04,319
building next door. So, we're building
on the lot beside it. Uh, parking will

851
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:09,359
be in front and in back. Uh, so with a
walkout basement, you'll have a bottom

852
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:14,480
floor and a top floor. Um, the top floor
has the uh magnolia

853
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:21,440
and uh see I'm not sure what the tree is
back there, but there's uh there's

854
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:25,359
coverage on 93 uh and then the exog 123.
So, we'll be adding landscape to the

855
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:31,760
front uh kind of following the landscape
plan of what he asked uh in phase one.

856
01:06:29,839 --> 01:06:35,760
And
um

857
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:39,599
the landscape plan is slightly different
from the other plan we submitted because

858
01:06:38,319 --> 01:06:44,160
we're trying to add a little bit more
parking.

859
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:48,400
So, we'll adjust landscape plan to
reflect the new parking in the future. I

860
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:52,559
just want to represent that we're going
to try to follow his current landscape

861
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:56,720
plan.
And y'all want this sample uh of the

862
01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:01,920
roof
or y'all go with it just up front.

863
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:04,799
Does that match the roof on the existing
building that you

864
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:11,359
» that I don't know. I'm not sure exactly
the roofy's used. Uh this is just a

865
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:15,200
preferred color we did.
>> So are these buildings connected?

866
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:20,079
» No.
>> Okay.

867
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:24,079
just go up close to each other.
>> I couldn't tell based on the site plan.

868
01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:27,760
» I think this the parking lot's
connected. Uh obviously it's a very

869
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:31,359
unique building there.
>> It looked like right there,

870
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:34,079
» but I think that's just part of the
>> the lot.

871
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,640
» Yeah, there is a shared drive uh and and
the parking lots will connect both top

872
01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:40,720
and bottom.
>> Basically about two parking lots with

873
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,359
wide separation
>> on the landscape plan. There's a

874
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:48,799
connection.
>> Oh, yeah. See, so the landscape plan is

875
01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:54,680
kind of old old to be honest with you.
>> It is. It's from 2013 when he originally

876
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,680
built it.

877
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:01,039
» So in between, is there a road access in
between or is this just going to be like

878
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:03,839
a grassway walkway?
>> It's one unified park

879
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:06,400
» in between the two buildings. Is it
going to be connected with the parking

880
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:10,480
lot with the parking or is it just going
to be?

881
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:14,720
» Yeah, walkway.
>> So the parking just goes right around.

882
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:17,720
It's one unified parking that's single
access.

883
01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:27,520
» I'm trying to get a sense of
height of this building relative to the

884
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:29,759
existing building.
I'm trying to

885
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:33,440
» Well,
I've got comments on the design. So,

886
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:39,839
» it it's going to be a little bit shorter
than the existing building. Uh I can't

887
01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:43,679
can't quite read out. I want to say
we're like 22 feet up there.

888
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:46,319
uh total.
>> Yeah.

889
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:50,159
» Yeah. And then
>> if if I had to guess because I don't

890
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:54,159
know how tall his building is, uh he
he's probably

891
01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:57,600
22 feet from the pack. So, we're going
to be slightly shorter. We're going to

892
01:08:55,279 --> 01:09:03,120
be a story shorter than him. And that's
simply for call sake. We didn't want to

893
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:09,279
put on cuz he's got a steep pitch bonus
room up top that he used for like his uh

894
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:13,679
his employees to use. And we're not
going to put a bonus above. They're just

895
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:18,960
going to build it low pitch roof.
>> Well, that's that's where my concerns

896
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:23,520
lie is that this looks like, you know,
uh is it's a fundamentally different

897
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:28,080
building than the building there.
>> That's correct.

898
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:32,159
» And and I think it needs to match the
pitch of the roof, match the materials,

899
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:36,080
match the window styles, match the
entrance details.

900
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:41,920
I mean,
um, because the these are really like a

901
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:46,719
couplet and I think it's going to look
really awkward

902
01:09:43,759 --> 01:09:53,440
and and frankly diminish the value of
the property next to you to not get be

903
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:57,040
consistent with with the style of the
building. Now, if you didn't need the

904
01:09:55,040 --> 01:10:03,280
extra floor
needs, then maybe you build the second

905
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:07,280
level into the roof, bring the roof down
and still use the dormers as a way to

906
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:14,560
get the floor to floor height down of
there and entrance into that upper

907
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:21,679
level. But but it to me it
is it doesn't have the same character or

908
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:24,800
or um as the existing building at all
and they're so close. They're really a

909
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:30,400
pair.
Um,

910
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:36,000
another, you know, thing you might look
at is just if you're trying to deal with

911
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:42,800
the cost, then reduce the footprint and
get the extra floor in there. But, um,

912
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:46,000
but
it just seems like a fundamentally

913
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:48,560
different building, a much more
utilitarian building than the one that's

914
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:54,400
there.
>> Yeah. I mean, am I just rebuttal

915
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:58,000
respectively? I mean, I disagree. I
think the building uh as far as like

916
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:02,239
we're going to try to use a a very
similar color scheme to what he's he's

917
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:05,600
got and it's a walk out basement style
as far as like diminishing the value. I

918
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:11,920
I disagree. I mean, you have Publix
right next to um an old changing place.

919
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:17,199
You know, you have the brick building,
the all red brick building right there

920
01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:23,760
on Tiger Boulevard next to a six center
shopping uh shopping retail space. So, I

921
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:31,920
mean, this is a unified
retail parcel that's really an island.

922
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:36,880
Uh, and it's um,
you know, I I think there's there's much

923
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:42,320
stronger obligation to be consistent
with the with the style of the existing

924
01:11:39,679 --> 01:11:49,280
building. Um, I mean, the windows look
like they're just like I mean, it's it's

925
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:54,960
just a completely different different
style. Um,

926
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:58,360
and the slope of the roof makes a big
difference, too.

927
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:06,000
Um,
the materials that you're showing

928
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:09,840
were those your brick samples.
>> Yeah, that was a brick sample. That

929
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:12,080
doesn't look like the brick on that
building at all.

930
01:12:10,719 --> 01:12:16,159
» Yeah, we didn't want to look like his
brick. Uh we we think his brick is a

931
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:19,920
dated look. It looks more like a
lakehouse uh brick, whereas I think our

932
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:24,480
brick will
>> Is it stone or brick? Stone.

933
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:29,840
» Yeah. Yeah, stone. So, he's got more of
like a lake lodge look. We're going for

934
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:37,880
more of a retail upscale uh kind of
white white versus dark look. Uh I think

935
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,880
it's going to really elevate the space.

936
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:46,960
And I actually do have his color. So
like the hardy color I have this

937
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:50,239
» and the color hardy that we're going to
use is very similar. So it's I can pass

938
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,800
this around
>> like or we can use the same color if

939
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:57,679
that's
>> Yeah. And if we have to we could use the

940
01:12:54,239 --> 01:13:01,600
same color Hardy. Uh we have that. It's
pero

941
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:05,840
Williams but we're looking at prelude.
So I'll pass this around too. So the the

942
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:09,600
small sample is the one that you're
proposing and the bigger one is the one

943
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:16,440
that's currently on the neighborhood.
>> That's correct.

944
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:16,440
» Oh yeah, that looks like purpose.

945
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:24,239
Use that color.
>> So we we are trying to complement the

946
01:13:20,719 --> 01:13:28,239
building some somewhat, but we also want
it to be different. We don't want it to

947
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:32,880
look the exact same as his. Well, I
think this building here is so unique to

948
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:36,800
try to match it and would be asking a
little bit too much. I mean, it's trying

949
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:40,159
to match the windows, the brick or the
stone, the pitch on a roof. That's

950
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:43,920
asking a lot.
>> I don't think you can halfway match it.

951
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:46,640
It would just look off.
>> Yeah, it's a very unique looking

952
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:50,320
building.
>> Yeah, that's more of a question for the

953
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:55,280
architects here. Not, you know, from a
business standpoint driving by, uh, I

954
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:58,960
don't think you can match this building
without spending a lot of money.

955
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:04,960
I have a lot of ambivalence here because
I'm torn in two directions. I mean, I

956
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:07,760
could see
>> because I just remember back when it was

957
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:12,960
first developed, there was a rendering
that showed the mirroring building, you

958
01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:17,560
know, and so and I I see the mirror in
the consistency in this parcel.

959
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:25,360
I guess for me it's the conversation of
how much is too much alike or not enough

960
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:28,560
alike and where how do you find that?
Well, there's ways as a designer to make

961
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:34,719
it,
>> but I mean material is one thing, pitch

962
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:39,840
is another, proportion is another.
>> Okay. And and this has none of that. So,

963
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:44,719
» and for me, I think the proportion is
almost too different. Like I'm I'm torn

964
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:49,199
because like for me, I guess the
proportion is bothering me the most out

965
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:55,280
of everything. But
I don't know. It's really kind of a

966
01:14:51,440 --> 01:15:01,560
ranch proportion. What's a ranch house?
a low slug with the walk out.

967
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:01,560
» Yeah. Horizontal windows.

968
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:12,000
» Yeah. It just it's it's to me it's it's
it's potentially going to reduce the

969
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:17,320
value of the neighboring property.
Um

970
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:17,320
and um

971
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:25,760
and I think it's just going to look
really odd on the island. Sorry, unified

972
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,760
landscape.

973
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:35,440
help me understand this is two distinct
properties owned by the same property

974
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,760
owner.
>> No, no. Um I believe you own this

975
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:42,159
property.
>> Yeah, I own the property and Mark

976
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:44,880
McKinnus, the orthodontist, owns the
property next door.

977
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:47,440
» Okay. And the greater what's called the
greater common plan when it was

978
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:52,159
developed.
>> Um but they're individual lots.

979
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:57,280
» Okay.
And then is there a significance to it

980
01:15:54,560 --> 01:16:00,560
being deemed a phase two as part of this
review or

981
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:06,480
» um well just because of how the parking
lots are connected and how it was again

982
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:10,320
created as a greater common plan. So I
mean there's lots of examples for that

983
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:15,920
with all over Lowe's with the different
out parcels of buildings there. Um you

984
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:22,159
know there's public is another prime um
example. Um but yeah, it's a

985
01:16:20,719 --> 01:16:25,760
you know part of phase of the same
project. This is just it's the second

986
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,760
phase of it.
>> Yeah.

987
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:36,679
So without going

988
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:55,199
I'm wondering if going with gable ends
just said hip versus hipped roofs

989
01:16:51,600 --> 01:17:00,480
like even if the pitch didn't match but
it still felt like it was

990
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:10,800
from the same country,
you know, like like

991
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:14,000
I'm just trying to think of how
>> which which one of those we can can be

992
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,840
chosen,
>> right,

993
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:21,760
» to focus on
>> how do you accomplish cuz proportionally

994
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:27,040
due to the fact that your brick comes up
as almost like a water table to your to

995
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:33,440
the bottom of the windows on the second
story, it feels feels like your

996
01:17:30,719 --> 01:17:38,719
office building is wearing high waters.
Like it feels like your bricks pulled up

997
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:44,640
like like to your armpits a little bit.
So it makes the top portion feel very

998
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:52,080
squatty. Uh and I don't think it
actually lends to the to the

999
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:55,199
like I don't think it accomplishes the
elegance that you're wanting to

1000
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:58,400
accomplish. Um
>> you're going to have to go higher. I

1001
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:04,159
mean, if you want if you're if you're
worried about cost,

1002
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:11,120
then you know, I mean, first of all,
light under dark is is an awkward thing.

1003
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:17,760
So, you've got a lighter brick material
than a darker siding. So, generally the

1004
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:24,080
base wants to be darker than the the the
upper level. Um, I would get a a if

1005
01:18:22,719 --> 01:18:29,840
you're going to go with brick instead of
stone, at least I'd go with a brick that

1006
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:38,080
has a similar color palette to that. Uh,
I would lower the brick and eliminate it

1007
01:18:33,679 --> 01:18:41,600
as much as possible. Um, and then at
least there's more of the siding on the

1008
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:46,320
building. That's a cost differential
because the brick is going to be more

1009
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:52,960
expensive than the siding.
and um and then use that to get some

1010
01:18:50,400 --> 01:19:00,440
better windows in there
um that have a proportion. I mean, this

1011
01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:00,440
does it look it's a ranch house.

1012
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:07,920
Um everything about it is about a ranch
house horizontal proportion where

1013
01:19:05,679 --> 01:19:13,199
everything about this other building is
more vertically oriented.

1014
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:17,360
uh the windows are the ratio of the
width to the height of the windows, the

1015
01:19:14,719 --> 01:19:21,800
subdivision of the windows, all those
things. Um

1016
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:30,080
it just
there's there's really there's ways to

1017
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:33,760
do this without copying that building,
but you haven't captured it in this

1018
01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:38,600
design.
Um and um

1019
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:51,280
Well, I I can definitely lower brick. I
mean, uh I don't think it'll be a

1020
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:55,520
problem at all. Um
>> that's if you're trying to I mean, I

1021
01:19:53,199 --> 01:20:00,480
just lower the brick to save you money
to put in somewhere else on this

1022
01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:04,960
building to make it fit more. And I
would certainly at the very least go

1023
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:14,600
with the color scheme of the roof and
the and the and the and the um Hardy on

1024
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:14,600
the other building. Um

1025
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:18,960
and earlier you talked, you know, like
the broken roof line, like is there a

1026
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:23,280
way to maybe break up the roof line?
Like you know, you've got the dormers.

1027
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:25,199
I believe there's some on the front of
that building, right?

1028
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:30,080
» Oh, sorry.
>> There are. Yes.

1029
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:35,480
» Right. The gables may help you. Gable
ends may help you some.

1030
01:20:32,480 --> 01:20:35,480
Um,

1031
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:44,440
I honestly don't know that keeping the
pitch on the roof is going to materially

1032
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:44,440
impact your

1033
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:53,600
cost.
You're going to get a little bit more

1034
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:58,719
roof area of the shingle material,
the trusses.

1035
01:20:56,719 --> 01:21:02,280
See that being
a different thing?

1036
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:08,880
Well, I mean, when you increase the
pitch of the roof, I mean, increases

1037
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:14,800
everything. Labor,
shingles, sheathing, wood,

1038
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:19,840
all overall cost is going to go up. So,
at that point, you know, I'd be better

1039
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:25,840
just to put a bonus up there and build
in just like you did upstairs in.

1040
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:29,679
If I if I got to if I got to change the
pitch, I might as well build a bonus

1041
01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:33,199
into it because, you know, that would
match his a little bit better. And then

1042
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:39,440
throwing a dormer in there probably
wouldn't be a hard thing to do. Very

1043
01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:43,600
least we could use it as like a
second floor elevated space. They put a

1044
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:47,199
nice light fixture or something. I don't
know.

1045
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:53,040
» So, think on that one.
I'd consider two things. One, you can

1046
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:54,719
always I'm I'm guessing ADC is who drew
these.

1047
01:21:54,000 --> 01:22:02,320
» Yes.
>> So, you can, you know, always go back to

1048
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:08,800
ADC. I don't know them personally. Um,
but I'm just saying you could all if if

1049
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:16,239
they can't accomplish a architectural
style marriage between these two

1050
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:21,600
buildings, then you may want to get
guidance from someone else because

1051
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:27,120
that's what your architect. You don't
just want a drafts person to draw up a

1052
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:32,000
building for you. uh you know the the
skill and the design and the you know

1053
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:37,280
being able to match these architectural
languages and accomplish the cost

1054
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:43,840
savings things like that. Um that's
their job and that's what you're paying

1055
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:50,000
them to do. Uh so you know there's
there's tons of people u out there who

1056
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:59,199
who can look at this and look at that
and say okay here is a an an appropriate

1057
01:22:55,040 --> 01:23:05,520
you know, so so it is a marriage between
these two buildings because they're so

1058
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:10,639
close. Um, I know you don't, you know,
no, they don't have to be identical, but

1059
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:15,679
they can at least
happily coexist on this lot where this

1060
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:23,199
is going to end up, I think, creating a
a visual

1061
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:26,840
hodge podge that that isn't actually um
probably isn't successful.

1062
01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:33,040
Um,
>> yeah. And the architect should probably

1063
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:39,000
be the one here too with you.
>> He was supposed to be here. His kid some

1064
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,000
kind of game.

1065
01:23:39,679 --> 01:23:44,639
» It's just an interesting lot and you
know, there's something to be said for J

1066
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:49,600
position, but at the same time there's
it it's kind of a floating little

1067
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:53,040
development, right? That kind of
visually

1068
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:56,800
» Now, this might this is an idea. It
might cost way more. It might not

1069
01:23:55,440 --> 01:24:01,440
accomplish anything you guys want at
all. Now, if they were to redo the site

1070
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:04,719
design and push the building kind of to
the other side and have parking in

1071
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:08,800
between and make like a more of a
separation,

1072
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:13,679
would that help in any way?
>> No, I don't think so. I don't think

1073
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:16,560
parking in between anyway. Right now,
the as the buildings sit, they're

1074
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:18,880
probably only going to be 10 or 15 feet
away from each other.

1075
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:21,040
» Well, that's why I was wondering move
the whole building so they weren't as

1076
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:24,159
close. So they don't
>> I don't think they get as much parking

1077
01:24:22,639 --> 01:24:26,239
if they brought the parking between the
buildings.

1078
01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:30,080
» Well, and it's so steep, too. I mean,
you got a 12oot drop off right there

1079
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:33,440
from the top top side to the bottom.
>> Yeah. Yeah. With the parking going

1080
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:36,080
around the edge there.
>> Spend some money. You changed the site

1081
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:39,440
design.
>> Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely

1082
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:43,040
right.
>> Okay. Yeah. I'm trying to keep it as as

1083
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,480
close to the original site design as
possible.

1084
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,719
» Yeah.
>> With with

1085
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:52,719
» We applaud that
>> updated uh building look. was properly

1086
01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:57,360
here.
>> Have you um just as um some context,

1087
01:24:55,679 --> 01:25:00,239
have you have you actually seen a
rendering of this building up against

1088
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:04,480
the existing building?
>> I have not. I've talked to the architect

1089
01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:07,120
about that. Um and he just said it was
going to take him some time. He just

1090
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:10,800
didn't have enough time to get it before
our meeting today. because I mean it

1091
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:14,159
might inform you and make you you know I
mean I think there's some power in that

1092
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:17,840
because it's
>> I mean I can be creative and visually

1093
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:21,920
put them together but when you showed
that kind of angle I was like wait a

1094
01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:26,719
minute it kind of changed my perspective
on like that's a different reality with

1095
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:30,679
that
>> we need to see them together

1096
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:41,600
» and so what I'm hearing is the party.
You want it to be the same color. You

1097
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:44,719
want the turquoise the same color he
used and you want the window tiles to be

1098
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:51,679
the same.
>> At least the same proportion. I mean,

1099
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:57,600
whether or not you you go to the window
manufacturer that he went to or not, I

1100
01:25:54,560 --> 01:26:02,320
don't know. But but at least think about
how the the windows broken up. I mean,

1101
01:26:00,639 --> 01:26:08,480
the you know, these really are
horizontal ribbon windows. looks like

1102
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:16,840
horizontal storefront, you know, at the
base and and and it just it needs more

1103
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,840
articulation.

1104
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:23,679
» Looks like he's using mostly
residential.

1105
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:28,719
» Yeah, it looks like a residential
building. We were trying We were trying

1106
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,719
to stay away from the residential look.

1107
01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:36,239
And I think I mean I think there's a way
to accomplish a similar aesthetic but

1108
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:41,840
still maybe pull back from it a little
bit. You know, maybe not go quite as but

1109
01:26:39,679 --> 01:26:45,920
take your cues from it but don't follow
it lock step.

1110
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:49,360
» Don't get me don't mistake my comments.
I mean I think there's a way to make a

1111
01:26:47,679 --> 01:26:51,280
more contemporary looking building that
fits with this.

1112
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:57,760
» Yeah.
>> Okay. If that's what your intent is.

1113
01:26:55,199 --> 01:27:02,560
» That is the intent. But I I find it it's
going to be hard to do with the steep

1114
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:06,239
roof and the window styles and the stone
color that he has. It's just going to

1115
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:09,120
look like a residential building um that
I would put on the lake somewhere.

1116
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,360
» Well, this looks like a residential
building, too. It's just a very

1117
01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:13,920
different kind of resial.
>> Yeah, we were trying to look a little

1118
01:27:12,639 --> 01:27:15,920
different. That that was the intent.
Yeah.

1119
01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:18,000
» Yeah. That was the intent to look.
>> The intent is not to make it

1120
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:25,600
residential.
>> Is this early 20?

1121
01:27:20,639 --> 01:27:30,480
» Like I or was I going to say 20,000? 201
something.

1122
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:32,719
» His is early 2000 Lake. Yours is 1980s
ranch.

1123
01:27:31,440 --> 01:27:38,719
» And so true.
>> Um I and I don't know if you will really

1124
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:43,120
want to go back to 1980s ranch.
>> Um I I would heir on the side of

1125
01:27:42,159 --> 01:27:47,520
» I'm going to give it a little more
credit than that. I think it's a little

1126
01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:52,080
I think I meant I'm going to go a little
more prairie. Like I I think it's a

1127
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:55,360
little I think I like it better. It's
not first ranch.

1128
01:27:54,880 --> 01:28:01,280
» It's ranch.
>> I think you just

1129
01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:05,600
look it over. Choose one thing that
you're willing to make a compromise, if

1130
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:10,480
I would use that word, that looks like
the other.

1131
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:17,400
Do that and then the other aspects of
your building to fit your taste.

1132
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:17,400
materials proportionate

1133
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:25,040
then and articulation are the key
things. Okay.

1134
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:28,719
» Matching the materials,
getting the proportions comparable.

1135
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:32,159
Okay.
>> Yeah.

1136
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:37,440
» And then figuring out certain details.
Okay. I mean because um

1137
01:28:36,159 --> 01:28:40,719
» and you wouldn't want to do some of
those things without the proport like

1138
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:43,120
you don't want to match some of it and
then the proportions be off because then

1139
01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:47,600
it's going to look like
>> right

1140
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:51,840
» well I guess my next question is if we
wanted to make make it look identical to

1141
01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:57,120
this one. Do I need those gables coming
off the front over the front doors too?

1142
01:28:54,320 --> 01:29:01,040
» No. I mean again there can be very I'm
not asking you to make a direct copy of

1143
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:04,800
that building. I actually think there's
a I'm an architect so there's a

1144
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:08,719
contemporary way to make it more
contemporary not get into all the

1145
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:13,600
details but again the overall
proportions of the building okay because

1146
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:17,840
yours is really horizontally oriented
that one is not okay the building is

1147
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:22,320
broken up with different materials
vertically

1148
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:26,800
okay so this you know as opposed to
horizontally I mean you've just

1149
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:31,600
basically in this proposal it's
everything that's this is everything

1150
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:38,159
that's the antithesis to this. Okay.
Okay. Does that make sense?

1151
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:41,760
» Uh so um so I think if you if you find
some ways to deal with proportions

1152
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:48,239
materials
in a way that is more sympathetic

1153
01:29:44,639 --> 01:29:53,520
uh and window patterns that are that are
uh more sympathetic to that then I think

1154
01:29:51,679 --> 01:29:59,199
you can do that without copying the
existing building.

1155
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:03,360
» Okay. Sure.
>> But your architect really needs to hear

1156
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:06,560
this. I mean, he really good for him to
have a conversation with us.

1157
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:10,719
» Sure. Yeah. I mean, yeah, like I said,
he was supposed to be here. That was

1158
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:14,080
that was the intent, but um
>> I think luckily the recording is online.

1159
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:20,400
» I was about to say this is all published
and and stuff, so he he'll get

1160
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:23,760
» um I'll make sure he hears it and see
what we can come up with. But I guess

1161
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:29,520
what I'm kind of struggling with is I
hear like a broad like a like I'm not

1162
01:30:26,719 --> 01:30:31,760
getting like definite like this is what
we need from you because I don't want to

1163
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:36,159
keep the same brick.
>> We It's not our job to design it. It's

1164
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:41,199
your architect's job to design it for
you. You're paying them to do that.

1165
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:45,920
» Like I said, you know, materials both in
selection and color and proportion will

1166
01:30:44,159 --> 01:30:49,360
go a long way.
>> Okay.

1167
01:30:48,639 --> 01:30:52,960
» Okay.
>> All right. When you take your design and

1168
01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:56,880
put it side by side with the one that's
there, if it looks ugly side by side, go

1169
01:30:55,600 --> 01:31:00,800
back to the drawing board because
>> Yeah. And the rendering of both

1170
01:30:58,639 --> 01:31:08,840
buildings together and you should
>> you should ask him for that because

1171
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:08,840
you need to know how they look together.

1172
01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:19,760
» Okay. Now, as far as deliverables for
the next meeting, what are you guys

1173
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:24,400
going to be looking for them to give at
that at the at the level? Are you going

1174
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:27,440
to want them to come back with a similar
like presentation at this level or we

1175
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:31,199
going to want renderings and everything
at

1176
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:35,600
» I think a complete site plan as modified
>> renderings of the building in its

1177
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:38,719
context with the adjacent building.
>> Okay.

1178
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:43,679
um
would certainly be in terms of in in

1179
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:46,920
addition to this
be important.

1180
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:52,880
» I mean is that is the idea like you
would like you'd like this to move

1181
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:56,159
quickly, right? So the next time you
come before us, you want it to be

1182
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:58,880
» Absolutely. Yeah. I want to get approved
sooner than than later.

1183
01:31:57,679 --> 01:32:03,600
» Yeah. That would be the goal.
>> So I'd like to break ground, you know,

1184
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:09,280
November if possible.
So I also understand you know I don't

1185
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:17,199
know if he charges percentage or hourly
but all of these changes and things you

1186
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:22,480
know also cost money if if there is a
you know if if

1187
01:32:20,159 --> 01:32:29,920
the next submitt I mean if it falls
under basically the same site plan same

1188
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:34,639
footprint and you have you know a
proportion I don't think it has to be

1189
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:41,840
you know quite construction document
full sake, but just you know enough for

1190
01:32:38,639 --> 01:32:50,000
us to get a full idea of what's going
on. then you know that way

1191
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:54,880
we can say yes or man this is really
still

1192
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:59,120
missing it because all of these drawings
cost and so

1193
01:32:56,639 --> 01:33:02,400
» so I guess my question would be like but
would he be coming before us for final

1194
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:04,480
approval if he
>> that's what I'm trying to get at is are

1195
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:08,560
you guys
>> I don't think we're there yet

1196
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:11,920
so I think there's something between
>> so that's I'm kind of wondering if maybe

1197
01:33:10,239 --> 01:33:14,239
we come back with a similar level
submission before he goes for full

1198
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:19,360
rendering
>> because I'd hate for the investors. I

1199
01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:24,239
mean the renderings
>> if he's an architect or she I don't know

1200
01:33:22,239 --> 01:33:28,400
whether
they can generate renderings of this

1201
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:31,520
project with that. I mean I don't know
what your fee is with your architect

1202
01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:36,159
whether you're paying them hourly or
whether you're paying them as a as a

1203
01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:39,840
percentage of the construction cost or
whatever but it's their responsibility

1204
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:42,080
to generate the drawings necessary to
get approval.

1205
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:44,960
» Yeah. I would just hate to go too far
down the path and spend that money and

1206
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,080
it not,
>> you know.

1207
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:49,679
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Because that's kind of where I'm

1208
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:54,320
already at. I've already we're pretty
invested in this this here and and

1209
01:33:52,719 --> 01:33:58,639
basically doing a whole redesign is
going to cost money regardless. Plus

1210
01:33:56,159 --> 01:34:02,000
adding extra floor is going to cost
money. So, it's it's going to really

1211
01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:06,080
stack up soon. And my engineer is going
to also charge for you got to redesign

1212
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:11,679
or shrink the building or anything like
that because that was one of the other

1213
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:15,760
questions I had is uh the building's a
lot longer than the other building. Are

1214
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:21,120
y'all asking me to shrink the building
down and go more vertical or

1215
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:24,960
» Yeah, I don't know that you need to do
too much the floor plan if you can do it

1216
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:32,719
within your budget.
>> Okay. Again, you know, I think I think

1217
01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:37,280
your your architect needs to come up
with some better ideas.

1218
01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:42,880
» Just an example of how to act accentuate
the vertical versus the horizontal. If

1219
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:49,280
you look at this top rendering where the
left section is all brick and if that

1220
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:54,560
end had a gable end and then the next
section the brick was down at like a

1221
01:34:52,000 --> 01:35:02,560
water table le level next to the door
and you had more siding. Uh then right

1222
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:07,920
there you have this section that pulls
visually you've now pulled that front

1223
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:13,840
section out and it it accentuates the
vertical. Um then you're dropping that

1224
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:18,480
other section which again helps
accentuate the vertical that's next to

1225
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:22,800
it. But what you've done with the brick
is you've pulled that because your

1226
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:29,840
building is longer. you've now pulled
this whole band all the way across the

1227
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:36,000
entire plane which now widens everything
versus so now it just looks like this

1228
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:41,280
versus accentuating the
>> So if I drop that middle

1229
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:46,320
section down to like a 4ft water table
>> I would be careful of giving him design

1230
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:50,400
direction at this point in time let
their architect feel

1231
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:55,679
» but that's just
>> just changing

1232
01:35:51,920 --> 01:36:00,400
facade can without changing anything.
>> You're just changing the the play of of

1233
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:03,400
those materials.
>> So,

1234
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:09,760
» and the next meeting we can do the
one where it was designed like that and

1235
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:13,120
we told him we didn't like it because we
didn't think it looked good

1236
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:17,199
» because we thought this looked good, but
>> we can agree to disagree there.

1237
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,960
» Oh, Jacob, we still got to do the
variance on the parking in the front,

1238
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:20,800
right?
>> Yes.

1239
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:22,880
» So, we do that next meeting, too.
>> Yeah. We're going to fill that out for

1240
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:25,880
next meeting.
>> Yep.

1241
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:30,560
» And do I need to do anything for that?
>> Um, yeah. There'll be a form you got to

1242
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,719
fill out.
>> Okay.

1243
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:37,159
» Yep. Will you send that to Jam?
>> Absolutely.

1244
01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:37,159
» I appreciate it. No problem.

1245
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:47,119
» Exactly where it starts to watch
>> like you got to watch.

1246
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:49,520
» You can watch it at a two one and a half
speed, two speed, whatever. We can keep

1247
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:52,880
up with
>> go a lot quicker.

1248
01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:55,920
Okay.
>> Any do you need anything else from us in

1249
01:36:54,800 --> 01:37:01,840
terms of
>> uh No, I mean it's it's pretty vague,

1250
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:04,840
but uh we'll get it done somehow some
way.

1251
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:12,560
» Okay. Thank you very much.
>> Thanks. Thank you. All right.

1252
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:14,719
Let's see here. Do we have any staff
reports?

1253
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:17,440
» Nope.
>> Okay. Any other?

1254
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:24,320
» No. Do you guys want me to I mean it's a
super easy draft for me to get rid of um

1255
01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:26,480
» tall signs on top of
>> I mean

1256
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:30,159
» I mean that is an easy thing for me to
do without

1257
01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:35,040
purpose to
>> tall huge signs on top. I mean for

1258
01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:38,480
hotels
>> hotels

1259
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:42,560
it's a different clientele all
>> together you are dealing with a

1260
01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:47,520
transient client that is looking to find
a place here you have residents

1261
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:52,159
» uh that need an address
>> is there any other uses that I should be

1262
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:55,360
thinking about when doing that is there
any other tall buildings besides hotels

1263
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:57,600
and apartments
>> really

1264
01:37:55,840 --> 01:38:00,159
» going to get built in Clemson the only
tall buildings we're going to get built

1265
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:03,040
in Clemson are student hous
>> hotels and apartments yeah we're not

1266
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:05,679
going to get
office building, but even an office

1267
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:08,639
building, would you ever need a sign at
the top of it?

1268
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:10,480
» Any any residential building should not
have a

1269
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:14,480
» Okay.
>> I mean, if it's a hospital

1270
01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:18,400
» we'll have hotels be exempt from it, but
then everything else just take it out.

1271
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:21,760
» Yeah.
>> I mean, I seemed reasonable to me.

1272
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:25,600
» I mean, really, they're starting to get
really garish. I mean, in my opinion,

1273
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:28,880
» are we talking signs at all or
illuminated signs?

1274
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:32,480
» Up on top.
>> Well, that's what I mean, but like

1275
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:35,199
illuminated or any sign. I don't see if
there's It doesn't do any purpose if

1276
01:38:34,159 --> 01:38:37,040
it's not illuminated,
>> right?

1277
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:40,040
» Yeah. They're not going to even do it if
it's

1278
01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:44,159
» okay. I just wanted I mean that's pretty
easy ordinance changed. Doesn't affect

1279
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,239
it much.
>> Yeah.

1280
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:50,719
» If someone else buys it and they change
the name of it and then you see the

1281
01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:54,480
ghost of the old, you know, it's
>> becomes another apartment complex.

1282
01:38:52,320 --> 01:39:00,239
» I don't even have the ghost down. I
mean, if you if we ended up getting

1283
01:38:56,080 --> 01:39:03,840
corporate office buildings along 123,
maybe you could have a sign up there,

1284
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:07,520
but I would not say on any res.
>> Well, here's the other thing is that so

1285
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:10,159
right now,
well, there's there's some exceptions to

1286
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:13,840
that, but
>> and I still think I mean, if you go to

1287
01:39:11,679 --> 01:39:15,360
the research triangle,
you're not going to see any of that

1288
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:21,280
stuff.
>> No. Okay. No, it's pretty easy. I mean,

1289
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:24,480
I can I could do it by AR districts,
too, if you wanted. Like, you know,

1290
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:27,679
College AB, obviously, just take it
right out of that.

1291
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:29,520
» Yeah. I just don't think we need it
anywhere.

1292
01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:34,080
» Okay.
>> Hotels would be an exception.

1293
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:40,560
» Okay. Cuz I was wondering about the
light effect from being up so high

1294
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:45,360
» and um you know, you wanted to be seen
by people who are all the way down here.

1295
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:48,960
You know, it's it' be brighter for
somebody.

1296
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:52,239
» Yeah. Hey, Jacob. Is the one that's on
the side of Bixie, is that one lit up?

1297
01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:54,080
» It is.
>> It is.

1298
01:39:52,719 --> 01:39:57,600
» It's an interesting color. I can't
figure it out.

1299
01:39:54,880 --> 01:40:01,360
» Yeah, it is. I mean, that's the thing.
We've done a bunch of these, so I This

1300
01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:04,159
is the first time I've heard color. I
can't.

1301
01:40:01,679 --> 01:40:07,280
» That's why I know. Okay. I mean, you
center is the one that kind of shoots

1302
01:40:05,679 --> 01:40:09,840
out at me for some reason.
>> Hy one doesn't bother me at all.

1303
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:12,400
» Halo illuminate, right?
>> I don't know why. The youth center ones

1304
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:15,760
only what bugs me.
>> But it's just the accumulation of them

1305
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:20,080
because we're going to have all down
College Avenue and

1306
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:22,639
» the sevenstory one that's going wants to
go in that's going to want to have one.

1307
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:28,960
» Yeah.
>> And I mean I just think

1308
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:33,119
» Yeah. Maybe we uh cut that out now.
>> Sounds great.

1309
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:37,119
» The plans are in there.
>> It adds up.

1310
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:39,280
» Yeah. But I don't think the PD has been
finalized.

1311
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:43,840
» No, no, PD hasn't been finalized.
Neither signage signage because it

1312
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:46,960
doesn't actually all it says is that you
guys have to approve signage and it

1313
01:40:45,440 --> 01:40:50,960
doesn't have any
>> it doesn't put it at this one says

1314
01:40:49,440 --> 01:40:54,960
specifically these are the guidelines
you go by right now that PD just says

1315
01:40:53,199 --> 01:40:58,880
whatever you guys want
>> is that what 700 750 beds somewhere

1316
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:03,360
around there.
>> Yeah, right around there. Yeah, 740.

1317
01:41:01,199 --> 01:41:08,800
Yeah. So, have we done a count on how
many beds

1318
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:11,440
uh we are going to have downtown in
student housing? Tool.

1319
01:41:10,159 --> 01:41:13,679
» Yeah, we have the numbers on that.
>> What is that?

1320
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:18,560
» And it's more than
>> is it more than what was like

1321
01:41:17,199 --> 01:41:22,719
» anticipated as needing?
>> I'm just trying to figure out the

1322
01:41:19,679 --> 01:41:24,960
proportion of residents. We're still
>> Oh.