1
00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,360
Heat. Heat.

2
00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,680
Heat. Heat.

3
00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,120
Heat. Heat.

4
00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,440
Heat. Heat.

5
00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,519
Heat. Heat.

6
00:03:48,239 --> 00:03:51,239
Heat. Heat. N.

7
00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,639
Heat. Heat.

8
00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,320
Heat

9
00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:54,919
up Heat. Heat.

10
00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,800
Heat. Hey, heat. Hey, heat.

11
00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:41,360
Heat.

12
00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,600
Heat. Heat.

13
00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,639
Heat. Heat.

14
00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,000
forever.

15
00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:06,320
We will call to order the regular
committee of the whole meeting. Can we

16
00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,240
please begin with roll call?
>> Council member Lee

17
00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:09,120
» here.
>> Oren

18
00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,320
» here.
>> Seely

19
00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:11,120
» here. Dman
>> here.

20
00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,399
» Turpin
>> here. Winter

21
00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,480
» here.
>> Karns

22
00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:20,000
» here.
Uh, first item,

23
00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:24,600
Tammy, community development director
Johnson.

24
00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,600
» Yep.

25
00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:30,959
» Travis, don't yell at me. It came back.
>> It did. I told you.

26
00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:34,959
» I appreciate it. Appreciate it, Jamie.
>> Good evening, Mayor and Council. Um, the

27
00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:38,640
first one I have for you, uh, we
discussed about a month or maybe a

28
00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:43,519
little over a month ago on an offer on
offers on two parcels on 19th place. I I

29
00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:47,680
reached out to them, worked the
development agreement with them.

30
00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:51,680
» Um, still the same price. Um, they're
willing to start the project in 18

31
00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:53,279
months. Gives them time then to get the
house designed.

32
00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,440
» Okay.
>> Get a contractor in place and hopefully

33
00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,760
begin building even maybe they'd like to
have it done before it start before 18

34
00:09:59,279 --> 00:10:01,440
months.
>> Okay.

35
00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,320
» October.
>> Okay. So, we just basically shortened

36
00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,399
that time frame up for the
>> we switched it. So, they have 18 months

37
00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,839
and three years.
>> And this is one of the nicer lots by the

38
00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:14,720
newer houses.
>> It's two parcels. Long two parts.

39
00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:19,360
I I'll make a motion to move this
forward. Second,

40
00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,839
» we have a motion in a second.
>> Any discussion?

41
00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:25,279
» Where is this exactly? Sorry.
>> Longfellow

42
00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,399
» where they built the What? What was that
program?

43
00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:30,720
» I didn't live here then.
>> It was for Habitat.

44
00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:34,240
» Um that they turned over the lots to us
when they went to 19th place up off of

45
00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,480
Comanche Avenue.
>> It's a nice little neighborhood. Do you

46
00:10:36,079 --> 00:10:40,519
know where?
>> I I lived on 19th place.

47
00:10:40,959 --> 00:10:46,720
that's probably been torn down way. But
>> yeah, it's it's big lot. It's got an

48
00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:50,000
alley going through it. Houses on both
sides. One of the houses has like the

49
00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:53,120
columns in the front of it on the
>> It's for sale, actually.

50
00:10:51,279 --> 00:10:55,040
» I'll take a drive tomorrow. I'll take a
drive. It's easier drive.

51
00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,560
» I'll take a drive.
>> Drive.

52
00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:00,079
» All right.
>> Any other discussion?

53
00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,760
» Can we have roll call, please?
>> Council member Turban,

54
00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:02,720
» yes.
>> Winter,

55
00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:03,600
» yes.
>> Karns,

56
00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:04,560
» yes.
>> Lee,

57
00:11:04,079 --> 00:11:05,839
» yes.
>> Oren, yes.

58
00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:06,800
» Sely,
>> yes.

59
00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,519
» Dutterman,
>> yes.

60
00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:13,680
» Go ahead.
>> Right here.

61
00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:17,760
» Yes. Um, so this one is the uh proposal
to do go out for an RFP to sell our city

62
00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:22,320
lots um that are buildable, the
commercial and the residential. Um,

63
00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:27,839
Council Member Winter wanted to do this
um and take a look at it. I've got in

64
00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:34,959
the packet the RFP. There's four models
of how we could um look at doing it with

65
00:11:30,959 --> 00:11:38,560
a with a real estate agent. My
thought is we put it out for the RFP the

66
00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:44,160
way I have it written, which is all four
models, and let them bid on those that

67
00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:47,360
way. So then you can compare which one
>> I'm sorry, what did you say, Sammy?

68
00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:50,800
» That's okay. So there's four models of
how we could do that. One of them is a

69
00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,880
hybrid. The fourth one is a hybrid where
we kind of combine two of them.

70
00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,880
» Uhhuh.
>> Like commission flat fee.

71
00:11:54,240 --> 00:12:03,680
» Yep. One's a commission flat fee and
then um a bundle portfolio price. Um,

72
00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,800
and then the hybrid model is commission
and flat fee.

73
00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:11,440
» Yep.
>> What I typically see on these lots that

74
00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:14,880
because are a lot of these going to be
pretty low price points. T

75
00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:19,839
» I think your or your residential ones.
>> Yeah. Like those I see a lot is just a

76
00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:23,600
all it's a flat fee split.
>> But on the bigger ones I think it should

77
00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:27,120
maybe the commission or the you could do
the hybrid too.

78
00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:31,519
» And that's why I had the hybrid model of
both. Yeah. Figured the commercial would

79
00:12:28,959 --> 00:12:33,680
be the commission. Um the residential
buildables would be the flat fee.

80
00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:38,000
» I agree.
>> Um but I think we should put it out for

81
00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,480
bid that they give us a proposal on all
four. That way we can pick then.

82
00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:46,000
» Okay.
>> I think it's just a good base that we

83
00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:51,360
can decide by proposals on how they
>> and and they could say, "Oh, I don't

84
00:12:47,839 --> 00:12:54,720
want to give a proposal on type C."
>> Yep. Yeah. They would.

85
00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:58,639
» So they can just give a hybrid proposal
or it could just give whatever. They

86
00:12:56,560 --> 00:13:01,839
could give all four or just one,
>> whichever one they choose. they would

87
00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,399
like to try.
>> Will that be confusing?

88
00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,680
» I don't think so.
>> Okay.

89
00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:08,240
» I I don't think it will.
>> I see it both ways. So,

90
00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,200
» um
>> it'll be able to

91
00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,480
» I think it'll be more competitive that
way.

92
00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:14,880
» Okay.
>> Yeah.

93
00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:20,800
» We're going to,
>> you know, your standard

94
00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:27,920
listing fees usually 6%. Um that's
normal. But on these lots that they we

95
00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:33,040
may only sell for $500, let's say,
they're they're gonna want a flat fee.

96
00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:36,880
That might eat up the entire value,
>> you know, and I don't know how much

97
00:13:34,399 --> 00:13:40,560
work. I think we're looking at them more
to use their internet base.

98
00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,959
» Yep. They'll get them on.
>> These are lots. So they're other than a

99
00:13:41,839 --> 00:13:46,079
commercial one they'll go out and look
at. Um they might drive by and look at.

100
00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:50,240
I don't think they're going to go,
>> but they can also help us with pricing

101
00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:54,240
and stuff like that. a better idea in
the market with some of our we have a

102
00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:56,079
couple in the north end up by center
that lots that

103
00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,160
» be good ones. Yeah.
>> Yeah.

104
00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,000
» Um
>> Oh, go ahead.

105
00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:03,760
» Go ahead.
>> Um how how did you plan on you just

106
00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:07,279
going to send it out to the local?
>> I was going to send it out to local and

107
00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:11,360
kind of reach out to maybe even Quad
City area some of them just to get a

108
00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,160
feel and just send the RFP out to them
with a letter saying this is what we're

109
00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,600
doing. Give them a date and
>> Yep. Like if you go to like the rule and

110
00:14:16,079 --> 00:14:24,160
rule office here, there's no need to go
to another one because they're all but

111
00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:28,160
um if it's a company that's not here.
Yeah, you could do that. Yeah.

112
00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:31,120
» Yep. It would be nice to keep it local
obviously, but

113
00:14:29,199 --> 00:14:34,160
» Yes. And I think we'll get
>> we've already had some interest a little

114
00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,639
bit just from it being out that they've
called. So

115
00:14:35,199 --> 00:14:39,519
» cool. Good.
>> Yeah, let's get them off the lawn mower

116
00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,560
list.
>> That was going to be my question is just

117
00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,440
how it's going to get marketed. I was
hoping it wasn't just going to get put

118
00:14:43,839 --> 00:14:49,360
on ion wave and
>> no I don't think putting this on ion

119
00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:54,079
wave uh would justice so I think it's
better just to mail it out to the state

120
00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:59,680
agency give them that way there will be
one change on two of the residential

121
00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:05,120
lots um the two on second avenue and 800
and 756 2nd Avenue South okay

122
00:15:02,639 --> 00:15:09,360
» we'll remove those engineering is using
that as a staging area and everything

123
00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:12,399
for the bluff expansion so those will
get removed

124
00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:15,760
» okay
And yeah, I would just go directly send

125
00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:20,880
it to the broker
>> of the company. Yep. Okay, cool.

126
00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,000
» I'll make a motion. Move it.
>> Second.

127
00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:26,880
» Second.
>> All right, we have a motion in a second.

128
00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,320
» Move this to u. It's got to go to a
business meeting. Yeah, I guess it

129
00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,120
would.
>> Yep. Okay.

130
00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:34,560
» Um,
>> can we have roll call, please?

131
00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:36,079
» Council member Turpin,
>> yes. Winter,

132
00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,199
» yes.
>> Karns,

133
00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,240
» yes.
>> Lee,

134
00:15:37,839 --> 00:15:39,199
» yes.
>> Oren,

135
00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,639
» yes.
>> Sely,

136
00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,199
» yes. Det.
>> Yes.

137
00:15:41,199 --> 00:15:47,120
» Thank you, Tammy. Uh, Council Member
Oberin.

138
00:15:44,079 --> 00:15:55,279
» Thank you, your honor. Um, Memorial Day
weekend, we had a child break a fibbean

139
00:15:51,120 --> 00:16:00,959
a tibia by being run over by an ebike.
And in some short short discussions,

140
00:15:57,759 --> 00:16:05,360
communication with Chief Jurian. um they
have been working on this because I did

141
00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:10,240
not know this but there actually three
classes of ebikes

142
00:16:07,839 --> 00:16:12,800
» and now there's e scooters.
>> Yeah.

143
00:16:10,639 --> 00:16:16,399
» And what um we kind of had, you know,
just some communication back and forth

144
00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:21,920
and what we'd like to do is put together
a workg group. um he suggested and

145
00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:26,720
offered up Captain Lorenzan to kind of
head this up and kind of put a work

146
00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:32,639
group together with some of our PD folks
and and I would volunteer my services on

147
00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:38,480
that kind of you know see what you know
what we can do um just to kind of you

148
00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:43,920
know as I stated before things are
moving fast with technology and this is

149
00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:48,399
just another one of those things that is
moving fast because of technology.

150
00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:53,279
technology and I think we need to handle
it just like we did with our um side by

151
00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:58,000
sides. I think we need to start handling
it with ebikes and e- scooters.

152
00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,759
» So, I'd like to forward a motion. Well,
I don't know.

153
00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:04,079
» What's the plan here?
>> Just to get a workg group going to kind

154
00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:07,760
of figure out what we need to do is if
we need to update an ordinance.

155
00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:13,199
» There are other cities that are writing
ordinances for these things. Um in my

156
00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:16,160
mayor's association, um I've I've had
some there's been some discussion there.

157
00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,439
So I can forward some of those
discussions to you, council member

158
00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,919
Oberin. Maybe you can use some maybe
something some other community is doing

159
00:17:20,799 --> 00:17:25,679
will work for you
>> or hybrid of it. So

160
00:17:23,919 --> 00:17:28,960
» yeah, just I I think we just need to,
you know, kind of

161
00:17:26,559 --> 00:17:32,799
» What's the police department say?
>> Major Davis,

162
00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:38,000
» I can help you with it.
>> I I only ask and I understand. Yes,

163
00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:41,039
» I could give you a draft to work off of
easily.

164
00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:45,280
» Great.
as well.

165
00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,840
Well, is it is it a problem that we is
it a problem that we really need an

166
00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,400
ordinance or is it a one
>> I think we've Major Davis Clinton Police

167
00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,440
Department I think it's something we
just need to look at because of I think

168
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,799
there's going to be similar to what we
have for bicycles and bikes but some of

169
00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:00,480
the scooters I know like even the
scooter I bought one for my daughter for

170
00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:03,360
college it was only a 50 cc you know
some are faster than others there's

171
00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,640
three different types so I think we just
got to look at it and maybe plan out

172
00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:11,120
» I remember when we had this discussion
when I was on the other side of the

173
00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:14,960
table about uh rollerblades and
skateboards birds downtown.

174
00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:19,280
» I remember that discussion.
>> It's hard to, you know, they don't

175
00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:20,880
» it's hard for they're not obeying stop
signs.

176
00:18:19,919 --> 00:18:23,280
» Yeah, exactly.
>> Those things, they should follow the

177
00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:27,039
rules of the road. So, it's good to get
a work group with it together.

178
00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:32,799
» Don't step away yet. Hold on. Hold on.
Hold on. Second.

179
00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:36,640
» The scooters and ebikes, I see them
drive. I don't know if it's driving is

180
00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:40,559
the right term, but I've seen them
literally leaving Walmart with the flow

181
00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,400
of traffic
that

182
00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,440
» with the flow of traffic
>> with like literally like they're a car

183
00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,080
like in
>> they can ride in the road. I mean, some

184
00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,640
of them it depends what the CC is. Some
of them are depends if they're ready to

185
00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,200
I mean, but yeah.
>> Yeah.

186
00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:56,320
» 50 cc can be on the roadway. It's no
different than

187
00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:59,600
» There's three classes of of ebikes.
>> We want them riding with traffic.

188
00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:03,280
» There's a gentleman I see ripping down
Second Street out of my office window

189
00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,840
all the time. Makes me nervous. So they
are they can be problematic. We've had a

190
00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:09,760
few
>> Well, you better regulate the segways,

191
00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:13,160
too, while you're at it.
>> They wear helmets.

192
00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:18,160
» Okay.
>> So, what's who's who the work group is?

193
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:22,240
Council member Oberin. And
>> anybody else want to help?

194
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:24,720
» No.
>> Council member O.

195
00:19:23,679 --> 00:19:28,720
» I will.
>> Council member Winter. Council member

196
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:33,440
Oberin. All right. Perfect. We'll work
with PD and get going there. I have way

197
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,280
too much emotionally involved right now.
I'm I'm good. Thank you, Tanner. Thank

198
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,559
you.
>> Anything else for that 2C item?

199
00:19:37,679 --> 00:19:41,039
» No.
>> All right. So,

200
00:19:39,919 --> 00:19:42,480
» we're just going to start a work group.
>> We should do a work group.

201
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,720
» Yeah, just do a work group.
>> It probably should go through the

202
00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:48,160
traffic safety commission.
>> Yes, of course. Working through that.

203
00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:50,559
» I think I think that would be part of
the work group.

204
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,720
» Perfect.
>> All right.

205
00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:58,799
» I can't even go to one.
>> Council Council Member Lee

206
00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:02,480
» 2D. Thank your honor.
>> Uh, let me figure out how to start this.

207
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,360
» Can you make it bigger?
>> PowerPoint.

208
00:20:04,799 --> 00:20:09,039
» Power.
>> We have We do have two citizens here to

209
00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:13,600
talk. Do you want them to talk first?
>> Yeah, that sounds good. Okay.

210
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:18,760
» Which one Which one would like to go
first?

211
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,760
» You've been waiting patiently.

212
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,400
» We appreciate it. You're doing a great
job.

213
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:28,320
» You're doing a great job.
>> Hello, mayor and city council members.

214
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:33,919
Uh my name is Bill Tweford. I live at
702 Desperado Road in Bailey, Colorado.

215
00:20:31,919 --> 00:20:37,760
And I wrote you guys a letter uh I don't
know, last week, week before, something

216
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:42,799
like that.
I've really thought long and hard about

217
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:48,960
this. I'm requesting that the topic of
relocating the bis the building and

218
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:55,120
safety division from the fire department
be placed on the committee of the whole

219
00:20:52,000 --> 00:21:00,000
agenda for today. Basically, I would
like the council to discuss moving the

220
00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:03,919
building and safety division back under
city hall administration, potentially

221
00:21:02,159 --> 00:21:09,600
within the community development
department under the direction of Tammy

222
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:15,120
Johnson or another appropriate
department. After researching,

223
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:20,960
you know, many other communities in
Iowa, I have found that most cities

224
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:25,440
separate building and development
functions

225
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:31,919
from fire suppression
and emergency response operations. In my

226
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:37,280
opinion, the fire department already has
a significant responsibility

227
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:43,600
related to emergency response, fire
prevention, EMS services, and public

228
00:21:40,159 --> 00:21:47,679
safety. And I think they do a great job.
Allowing the department to focus on

229
00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:53,600
their core functions may improve
efficiency while placing building and

230
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:58,880
development services within a department
more focused on economic growth,

231
00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:03,360
development, customer service, and
permitting.

232
00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:07,919
Now, I also believe relocating the
division would improve accessibility for

233
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:13,760
residents and business owners. in the
past. I could visit city hall, obtain

234
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:20,000
permits, ask questions, make payments in
a centraliz centralized location, and

235
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:24,400
also returning these services to the
city hall would create more of a

236
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:29,039
convenient and a customer-friendly
experience. Additionally, I would like

237
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:34,960
the council to discuss how the city
balances public safety objections with

238
00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:39,360
economic development.
I've heard concerns regarding the

239
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:44,000
building that houses the troll exhibit
and the possibility that the occupacy

240
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:48,559
issues related to the sprinkler
requirements may affect its future

241
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:54,159
operation.
While safety must always remain a

242
00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:59,600
priority, I believe the city should work
with property owners and businesses to

243
00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:04,240
identify practical solutions when
possible. However, when we get something

244
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:08,720
good going for this city, I believe
sometimes the city gets in the way. It

245
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:13,600
throws up roadblocks and slows things
down. And I don't know why that happens.

246
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:21,760
Clinton cannot afford to discourage
investors, tourism, redevelopment when

247
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:26,799
alternatives may exist that both protect
public safety and support economic

248
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:32,559
growth. I would also like the council to
discuss the consistency on how fire and

249
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:39,120
building code requirements are applied.
The city invested significant resources

250
00:23:35,919 --> 00:23:44,080
into remodeling the Eagle Point Lodge
yet. To my understanding is that there's

251
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:49,120
not a sprinkler system was not installed
in that project.

252
00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:53,200
I can't imagine if I would have bought
the Eagle Point Lodge what they would

253
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:59,280
have ran me through. They would have
wanted me to sprinkler it like they do

254
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:03,360
other buildings. Okay, I get that. But
the thing of it is we need a level

255
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:10,000
playing field for all parties. At the
same time, private party or private pop

256
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:15,440
property owners and businesses are being
required to make costly sprinkler

257
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:21,760
upgrades in order to continue operating
or complete renovations. We need to help

258
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:28,080
the city flourish, not diminish. in my
understanding is correct. I believe the

259
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:34,159
public deserves an explanation on why
different standards appear to be applied

260
00:24:30,159 --> 00:24:39,360
to public and private projects.
Consistency, transparency,

261
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:44,960
don't like that word, but it's there.
Consistency, transparency, and fairness

262
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:51,039
are essential to maintaining public
trust and encouraging investments in our

263
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:55,840
community. More broadly, I believe the
building and safety division should be

264
00:24:53,760 --> 00:25:02,720
structured in a way that encourages
problem solving encourages customer

265
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:06,880
service and economic development while
maintaining appropriate safety

266
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:12,159
standards. I believe in moving the
division out of the fire department and

267
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:17,440
into a department focused on development
and community growth would help achieve

268
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:22,960
that balance. I appre appreciate your
consideration of this request and look

269
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:28,000
forward to discussing these issues at
the committee of the whole meeting.

270
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:33,480
Is there any questions on that letter
that I sent you guys? All of you.

271
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:38,799
» No, I I appreciate it, Bill.
>> I'm sorry.

272
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:43,520
» I I appreciate you sending that letter
out. Um, I've actually been on a small

273
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:49,039
work group with Rhonda and Travis and
Gro Clinton and some others um that have

274
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:53,919
conducted some factf finding information
with contractors in the area, business

275
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:58,080
owners in the area, and kind of came to
the same conclusion that they liked how

276
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,760
it was before and they didn't understand
why it switched.

277
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,279
» Yeah.
>> Um,

278
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:07,520
» I'm the I'm under the same thing.
>> And um they and a lot of the contractors

279
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:12,960
work in dual counties. So they'll work
in um Scott County or Jackson County and

280
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:16,640
they claim that our system is a little
harder to work in.

281
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:20,720
» Um not so much
it I think it's the organizational

282
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:23,919
structure rather than they don't like
the answers they're getting. I think

283
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:28,400
they it just needs to be structured
different because no nobody wants to um

284
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:31,039
jeopardize safety at all.
>> No, not at all.

285
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:35,120
» And that's not like our concern at all.
It's mainly just how do we make this

286
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,320
flow better so that we're comparable so
when a contractor comes to our area they

287
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:41,520
get the same thing as if they came to
Davenport.

288
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:45,200
» Well, and that's the thing. I mean, I I
went through and had my staff I sent

289
00:26:43,679 --> 00:26:49,120
this to you guys, too. I went through
and had my staff go through all the

290
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:54,559
cities in Clinton that have more than
20,000 people and went through how do

291
00:26:52,159 --> 00:27:00,000
the how many inspectors do they have?
Like in Clinton we have three. Davenport

292
00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:06,799
has six. Deuke has four. You know Iowa
City has six. And do they all wear their

293
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:12,080
badges? They do in every city. Okay.
Clothing.

294
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:18,080
They just wear plain clothing is what
they wear in these other cities. Here

295
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:24,159
they wear bulletproof vests. Now I door
knock for a living with people that are

296
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:28,720
losing their homes and stuff like that.
And if I went looking like some of the

297
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:32,320
inspectors here, they would nobody would
open the door. People I'd feel people

298
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:38,000
were going to start shooting at me. But
I mean, you have to go up to the door

299
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:42,320
dressed in just normal clothes. Even if
you got a jacket that says city

300
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:47,760
inspector or you have a badge on, that's
fine. But, you know, the way that they

301
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:53,039
dress is very intimidating. And I've had
a lot of people tell me that there's

302
00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:59,120
only two cities in Iowa that wear
cameras. Clinton and Musketine. They're

303
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:04,480
the only two. No other cities have
cameras, body cams. Okay? No other

304
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:10,720
cities wear bulletproof vests.
So the thing of it is no other cities

305
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:15,520
also do three-party or third-party
inspection which I think would be a good

306
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:20,080
two good thing too because third party
inspection

307
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:25,279
puts all the burden on the homeowner
>> or the or the building owner. Yeah. To

308
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:31,440
do to get the inspections done, turn it
in the city, turn it into somebody like

309
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:36,480
Tammy and move on. you know, I I really
think uh there's a lot of stuff that

310
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,120
could be changed.
>> Okay.

311
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:41,200
» So, I just wanted to bring that up.
>> Thank you.

312
00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:45,679
» Bill, for those of people that don't
know you, can you explain what your

313
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:54,720
involvement is with Clinton?
>> Well, I've been here since 2018, late

314
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:59,200
2018. And between myself, my son, and
his wife, and my wife,

315
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:03,840
and
seven other students, we've bought 97

316
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:10,559
properties in eight years here.
Buildings, houses, rentals, multi-units.

317
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:15,679
We bought We've had 97 closings so far
in eight years. That's a lot. We spend a

318
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:22,640
lot of money in this town. When we go
out and flip houses in Denver for $600

319
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:26,559
700,000, we make $1500 or $200,000.
We bring it here and we work on

320
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:34,720
buildings that haven't been worked on
for 50 years. We put money into the

321
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:40,799
downtown. I have brought in or started
or saved 13 businesses downtown from

322
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:44,960
leaving. from Holl's Hot Dogs to the
Lighthouse to a management company to a

323
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:48,880
construction company to Riverfront
Antiques and Consignment to the

324
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:54,480
boutiques at Riverfront to the
Riverfront Event Center to H to um Lewis

325
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:58,000
right down here in the Tucker building
that's working for Gold Clinton right

326
00:29:56,159 --> 00:30:03,360
now. I brought him to town. I brought
underground to town. I kept Ashley here.

327
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:09,600
I kept Graham's here. I moved Gary Dorne
down here. thing of it is I have a tight

328
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:14,559
grip on what's going on downtown because
I really like it says on the back of my

329
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:19,200
shirts, you know, grow downtown Clinton,
make it great again, you know, and I'm

330
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:24,080
really really trying to do that and I
just, you know, need a little bit of

331
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:27,279
help, you know, with the city going,
hey, listen, you know what? We see what

332
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,880
the guy's doing. We see what everybody's
trying to do, you know, with all of

333
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:36,640
these investors I'm bringing to town.
They're all students of ours. So, and

334
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:42,480
it's not drug money coming in. I want to
clue you in on that. I might look like I

335
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:47,919
do drugs, but I don't. I've never puffed
a cigarette. I've never been drunk. I've

336
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:53,440
never done drugs. And I've only dated
two women, married both of them. So, the

337
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:57,840
thing of it is my wife now tells me, she
goes, "You're like a dinosaur." But you

338
00:30:55,679 --> 00:31:02,559
know what? I I just And and everybody
thinks it's drug money coming into town,

339
00:30:59,919 --> 00:31:05,520
but it's not. I promise you it's not.
you know, so

340
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:11,919
» it's true
legal in Colorado.

341
00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:15,679
First couple years, all we bring money
>> and it's Yeah, it's kind of ridiculous,

342
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:20,159
but
you know, and and and I have a

343
00:31:18,159 --> 00:31:24,399
relationship over there, Patrick, too. I
mean, you know, I I know all the dudes

344
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:28,320
up in Cedar Rapids. You know, I've spent
$18,000 in attorney's fees fighting the

345
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:31,200
city. And you know what? That's
ridiculous. I could put that money into

346
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,600
buildings because that's what I would
do. I'm not going to go out and just

347
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:40,399
blow the money on on a fancy car. You
guys see what I drive. I drive an old

348
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:43,679
beat up van that hit a deer. That's
missing half the front end and I haven't

349
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:47,919
been pulled over yet. But I'm getting
ready to take it to Mike's body shop and

350
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:52,640
get it fixed. But I don't drive fancy
vehicles. I drive old vehicles. I put my

351
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:57,440
money into Clinton. And I told the Smid
a couple months ago, I said, "You know

352
00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:00,720
where I vacation? I vacation in Clinton.
That's what I do. I come here and I

353
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:04,880
work. And I know you guys see me out
there work.

354
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:08,799
» So that's just all I've got to say. I
know other people have to talk. Was

355
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,600
there any other questions?
>> No.

356
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,720
» No. Carrie.
>> Well, thank you very much for your time.

357
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,720
» Thank you, Bill.
>> Y

358
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:23,840
» Hello everybody. Carrie Wade. I'm a
property owner at 408 South First

359
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:29,200
Street, Clinton, Iowa. I'm here as the
president of your local downtown Smid.

360
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:33,440
I'm also here as a business owner. I'm
also here as a proud member of this

361
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:37,600
community. I may not live in this
community. I educated my children in

362
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:44,399
this community. I open enrolled to your
community. Okay? I am a big community

363
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:49,679
supporter. I'm just not willing to move.
The reason I'm here today is to ask you

364
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:55,519
guys for a little consideration.
Obviously, it's no secret there's nobody

365
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:59,840
lining up at our downtown or even in
some of our Lions businesses where there

366
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:03,840
are empty buildings and there's nobody
lining up beating down the doors to buy

367
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:09,360
these buildings.
But I'm also asking you guys to consider

368
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:13,440
safety because I do believe safety is
important. I'm a rule follower. This is

369
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:20,000
where Bill and I don't generally get
along. I follow rules. I enjoy rules. I

370
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:24,720
like to follow them. But I do think that
our fire code and our building and

371
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:30,240
safety codes are very extreme in this
town. I think we need to put together a

372
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:35,039
committee or a work group um with
community members, business owners,

373
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:38,880
council members, whoever. But we need to
come forth and realize that we are

374
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:42,880
stopping growth. We are stopping things
from happening. I don't want to go into

375
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:49,120
a dark, deep hole because we've all been
here way too long tonight. Um, but I do

376
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:53,600
want you guys to know I am so proud to
have everybody sitting up here on this

377
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:57,840
council. This is a very thankless job.
And I do appreciate that when I call

378
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:01,200
council members, they answer. They call
back. I appreciate when I call the mayor

379
00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:03,840
and he called me back.
>> Well, you're a mayor, so I

380
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:08,800
» You're right.
>> the biggest town in Iowa, right?

381
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:14,159
» But I I appreciate everything you do,
but I really am I'm begging you guys. We

382
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:19,040
need to start growing our downtown, our
Lions district. I've got lots of great

383
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:22,399
ideas. We've got lots of people who want
to see this town flourish. But

384
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:26,399
unfortunately, I think soon we're going
to have more empty buildings and tumble

385
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:32,159
weeds than we are people who own the
buildings. I want to touch a little bit

386
00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:37,200
on our troll situation. Guys, you all
know if you know me, I was not the

387
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:42,320
biggest fan of the concert series. It
did not do my business well. I am here

388
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:47,200
for myself. I'm here for other business
owners. We have a troll across the

389
00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:52,079
street from my business at Happy Joe's
that thankfully the sawmill brought to

390
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:55,919
our town. They projected only it's like
60,000 people which was a lot. And I

391
00:34:54,240 --> 00:35:01,920
will be the first to say I was like yeah
right we're never going to see it chain

392
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:05,599
the doors. I am seeing so many customers
so much business as I was at a point of

393
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,520
where I was like you know what I don't
know if I can hang on much longer. The

394
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:14,320
economy is tough right now. This is
bringing people from Virginia, Vermont,

395
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:20,720
Florida, Texas, all over the world to
come see this. So, I'm asking that we

396
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:26,000
not make our fire codes and our our
rules for this city so hard and extreme

397
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:29,359
that we can't we we don't we're
deterring people from coming here, from

398
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:33,280
living here, from from owning a
business, which is most people's dream

399
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:37,920
to be a business owner, but it's tough.
It's tough in this town. Um, so I'm just

400
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,960
asking you guys to take this into
consideration. Let's get a committee

401
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,079
together. Let's look at these
ordinances. How long have these

402
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,200
ordinances been in place? You know, are
they even appropriate right now? Are

403
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:52,560
they appropriate for what this town is
trying to do? Ask yourselves that

404
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:56,960
question. And like I said, I'd be glad
to to be a part of a workg group. I'll

405
00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:01,040
be glad to get my hands dirty in all the
free time I have. But let's do it, guys.

406
00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:05,440
Let's bring Clinton back. Let's bring
businesses back. Let's stop deterring

407
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:09,359
business. Let's stop making these guys
jobs harder. You know, when the the

408
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:12,720
inspectors come to the buildings, when
the fire department has to come and

409
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:16,320
inspect something, I'm sure they don't
love the kickback that they get. Let's

410
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:21,040
make it a little easier. Let's look at
these ordinances and say, "What makes

411
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:26,079
sense? What makes sense for growth?" So,
you guys have a wonderful night.

412
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:29,119
» Thank you. I will I will say that we did
we did have some meetings recently to

413
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,880
talk about code stuff and I probably
slowed that down a little bit just with

414
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:38,000
all the other stuff going on and
meetings and things like that. So the

415
00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:42,800
discussion is not lost on that I guess.
So, so we we did have some conversations

416
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,760
and so yeah,
>> thank you.

417
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,160
» Mayor, Council, Fire Chief Mike, got to
admit,

418
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:53,599
» wait, you didn't fill out a card.
>> A little taken back by the discussion

419
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:57,359
being on the cow. Um I was called Friday
said, "Hey, it's going to be on the cow.

420
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:00,880
We have a work group already put
together that we've done some work on

421
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:04,960
it, which I want to discuss that work
group with you, mayor, and I believe it

422
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:10,400
may end up in a closed session." Um
>> Okay. I'm going to start with our codes.

423
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:15,280
So, currently the city of Clinton adopts
the state building code,

424
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:21,200
which means we have to follow the state
building code and we cannot amend it to

425
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:27,520
be less strict. That's how it's worded
in law. Now, we're looking to change

426
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:33,599
that to where we the IBC, which is the
international building code, the IBC,

427
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:37,720
which is the existing building code, and
one other one.

428
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:46,079
» Yeah, there's one other one that we can
adopt as long as it's substantially in

429
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:49,359
accord with the state's adoption.
>> Mike, can I butt in for a second? This

430
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:53,440
isn't this isn't about codes. We we
don't want any codes. um how to carry on

431
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,839
safer.
>> Okay.

432
00:37:54,160 --> 00:38:03,760
» Are no not safer, more lenient so that
businesses can come into town. So I'm

433
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:07,760
telling you that cities aren't more
lenient than we are. They're adopting

434
00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:13,440
the exact same fire code that we are
except maybe making local amendments

435
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:19,680
that have to be at least as stringent as
the state. The fire code, the mechanical

436
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:25,680
code, the electrical code, the plumbing
code, they all have to be substantially

437
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:31,200
in accord with the state and cannot be
amended to be less stringent.

438
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:35,599
That's the law. We did a lot of research
on it. Um, and I remember standing up

439
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:39,520
here, I don't know, a year and a half
ago and it was like, yeah, we have to

440
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:44,480
adopt everything because that's the
state law. And at the time we did

441
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:49,520
because we currently adopt the state
building code. Now is everybody at dial

442
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:53,440
going to enforce that? Maybe, maybe not.
Not my call, but I know that we are in

443
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:59,680
line with the law.
Now, we found out that there are a few

444
00:38:55,359 --> 00:39:04,560
codes that we can amend locally to be
substantially in accord with the state

445
00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:08,240
law. We can look at doing that. I have
no problem with looking and doing that.

446
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:14,560
I have no problem with a workg group to
do that. Um, again, I'm a little taken

447
00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:18,720
back. I was just told about this on
Friday. Just given this nice PowerPoint

448
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:22,000
presentation prior to the other meeting
starting,

449
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:28,400
totally uninformed that this is even
going on. Troll

450
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:33,599
trolls a fire hazard. Um, and we're
working on a way to make it work.

451
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:38,240
» Can you tell me about the
>> Can can we can we get I um I'd like to

452
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:41,520
go back to this discussion for tonight.
Not that either one of your points

453
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,359
aren't valid. They definitely are. But
tonight,

454
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:48,079
» there's a lot of stuff thrown around
here that I really think I should have

455
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:51,839
the opportunity to talk about because
you guys have been talking about it

456
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:57,200
behind closed doors without my opinion,
without my thoughts.

457
00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:02,480
» Yep. I I agree, Mike. And when we did
have a meeting recently, Carrie, it was

458
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:09,680
actually Pat, myself, the mayor, Mike,
Eli, Greg, Tammy. Is that anyone else?

459
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:12,640
And we're actually I believe we're
waiting on Pat, aren't we?

460
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,560
» Last I knew.
>> No,

461
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:16,320
» he was supposed to follow up on
something.

462
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,000
» I already told you that I probably
slowed that up a little bit.

463
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,079
» Oh, okay.
>> Okay. All right.

464
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:23,680
» I thought we were still waiting on Pat
because I have some questions. I have

465
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:28,079
some questions that came out of
>> advice has been clear. I I I I said that

466
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:32,320
we could
we could get we gave the option that if

467
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:38,160
we wanted we could get rid of adoption
of the state building code and adopt

468
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:41,680
those those international codes
>> independently. So I think

469
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:45,680
» as long as they substantially comply and
Mike agreed and we said that abs the

470
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,480
state didn't even adopt chapter one of
the state building code. They got rid of

471
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:52,240
it entirely. They did they have their
own administrative rules so we can do

472
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,839
all that locally. That's what we settled
on. But

473
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,680
» right,
>> I don't think you were waiting on me. I

474
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:02,400
just think the council needs to do that.
>> No, I I just said I'm the one I'm the

475
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:07,040
one that slowed that up. I had some I
have some conversations out of that

476
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:12,400
meeting, but we've been dealing with uh
data centers and uh city administrator

477
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:16,880
duties and a lot of things that have
come up in the last month that needed

478
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:20,319
priority. And I know codes are
important, but I slowed those

479
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,839
conversations down just because I do
have some questions and it is on my

480
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:27,920
radar. So
>> yeah, you can put that on me.

481
00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:32,720
» We're standing in a public forum um
talking about operational level stuff,

482
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:37,359
» the inspectors wear vests for their
safety. And I think that if anybody

483
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:43,200
questions whether or not citizens of
Clinton threaten our our inspectors

484
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:46,880
crazy because they do. They wear the
cameras for the exact same reason. You

485
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,720
also wear the crank cameras because when
they when I get a complaint, I'll go

486
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:56,560
back and watch the footage and be like,
"Uh, I'm sorry, sir, but here is what

487
00:41:53,040 --> 00:42:01,359
was said." Or to solidify a complaint
that was made.

488
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:06,960
Third party inspections, we have them.
Okay.

489
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:11,200
$18,000. I can't control that.
>> Sorry. I'm going to go back to what I

490
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:15,119
actually prepared before I had all the
information before I saw this. I want to

491
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:19,599
better understand the objective behind
the proposed organizational change so we

492
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:24,400
can evaluate it from an operational,
fiscal, and civil service delivery

493
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:28,160
perspective. Given there has been no
documented performance concern, I think

494
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,760
it's important we clearly define the
problem we are trying to solve. When

495
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:36,960
we're trying to clarify the purpose of
this proposal, we should ask, what

496
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:42,000
specific issue or gap are you seeking to
address by moving the building safety to

497
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:46,000
community development? Has an analysis
been conducted comparing current

498
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:50,079
performance metrics with your desired
outcomes?

499
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:56,640
Do we have data showing deficiencies in
inspections, plan reviews, timelines, or

500
00:42:54,079 --> 00:43:01,040
enforcement under our current structure?
Is there a concern with current service

501
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:04,240
levels, response times, or customer
experience?

502
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,839
Currently, the building safety division
operates within the fire department. The

503
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:12,880
structure aligns the building code with
the fire prevention and life safety

504
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:16,880
functions. on a daily basis. This allows
for coordinated plan review,

505
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:20,480
inspections, and code enforcement
activities that are closely

506
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:24,079
interconnected.
At this time, there have been no

507
00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:28,960
identified performance concerns with the
building safety division. Permitting,

508
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:32,960
inspections, and plan review functions
are being carried out in a manner that

509
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:37,359
meets operational expectations.
Additionally, no formal analysis to my

510
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:41,359
knowledge
or defined objectives have been

511
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:45,040
presented outlining what specific issue
this proposed change is intending to

512
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:48,800
address.
As you consider this po proposal, I

513
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:52,560
would encourage focusing on a few key
areas.

514
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:56,000
First, service delivery. Any
restructuring should clearly improve

515
00:43:54,319 --> 00:44:00,720
outcomes, whether that's permitting
timelines, customer service, or

516
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:04,560
development activity. At this point,
it's not clear what measurable

517
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:08,560
improvement is being sought, and all
those things that Mr. Tweifer could do

518
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:12,960
at city hall before, he can do at
Central Station.

519
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:16,319
Second, operational coordination.
Building and fire code enforcement are

520
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:21,200
closely linked. Separating these
functions would require new processes to

521
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:26,000
ensure consistency, communication, and
alignment, particularly

522
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:30,079
on life safety issues.
Third, organizational capacity. As

523
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:33,520
currently structured, community
development primarily focuses on

524
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,319
nuisance enforcement and property
maintenance. And I'm sorry, Tammy, I

525
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:40,400
know you do more than that. That's what
I have.

526
00:44:38,319 --> 00:44:45,280
How do you envision in integrating
technical building code enforcement?

527
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:48,480
They are technical, right, Cody?
Sometimes difficult to read and

528
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,440
interpret and sometimes you have to look
in four different books to get your

529
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:56,319
answer.
An oversight into the framework. What

530
00:44:53,839 --> 00:44:59,599
staffing expertise or structural changes
would be required to support your

531
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:05,280
transition?
Fourth, fiscal impact. Obviously, you

532
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:09,440
are seeking $5,000. Um, organizational
changes often come with costs, whether

533
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:15,200
that's through restructuring, training,
or administrative adjustments. To date,

534
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:20,640
I guess maybe a a financial analysis has
been provided, but I didn't know of it.

535
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:24,880
Fifth, risk and compliance. Consistency
in code enforcement is critical for

536
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:29,359
legal defensibility. And I can tell you
in the last two years and especially the

537
00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:34,079
last year with Eli, that has been our
focus because that was the number one

538
00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:39,440
complaint of our department before was
inconsistencies.

539
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:44,079
That's why you have 60some pro or
policies because we wanted to make sure

540
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:49,839
that when I came and inspected, you got
the same inspection as when Cody or

541
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:53,960
Connor or whoever does them.
That was our number one complaint

542
00:45:54,480 --> 00:46:00,160
in public safety. Any fragmentation
between building and fire code oversight

543
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:05,520
could introduce risk if not carefully
planned. Finally, best practice. From an

544
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:09,520
administrative perspective, organiza
organizational changes of this scale are

545
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:13,440
typically driven by a demonstrated need,
supported by data, and aligned with

546
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:17,839
strategic goals. I would recommend we
follow that same discipline approach

547
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:22,319
here. In closing, without a clearly
identified problem, measurable

548
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:26,720
objective, or supporting analysis, it is
difficult to fully evaluate the

549
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:31,520
necessity or benefit of this proposed
change. I would recommend that any any

550
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:36,560
decision be based on defined goals,
data, and a thorough understanding of

551
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:40,160
operational and financial impacts. How
many people sitting up there know what

552
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:43,400
the building safety division does on a
daily basis?

553
00:46:44,319 --> 00:46:51,040
All right. Furthermore, that this
conversation happen at the operational

554
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:56,160
level between the city administrator or
interim and departments with the plan to

555
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,880
meet your desired goals and outcomes
presented.

556
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,480
» Thank you. Any questions?
>> Mike, I got two questions.

557
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,640
» Can I run through my PowerPoint too
after that so it can because I don't

558
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:11,200
want to get off topic. We're not Mike,
you're doing a great job. We're not

559
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:14,800
trying to lessen safety. All I'm trying
to say is the organizational change so

560
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:21,119
that
They're not quite the same.

561
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:25,119
» So I guess my first question would be is
when the department was at city hall,

562
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:30,400
how was it rain?
>> Way back when. Yes. It's So I'm going to

563
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:34,240
I don't know if this is foul language or
not. When I took over the building

564
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:39,680
department, they said we are the bastard
children, sorry, of the of the city.

565
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:44,319
Why? Because we get moved around.
Different leaders, different that.

566
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:49,280
Anytime there's a problem, something
happens to BNS. There's a change in

567
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:54,640
leadership, whatever, because the focus
is on all the negative things, right?

568
00:47:51,839 --> 00:47:58,000
You said you have 21 20ome complaints
that are sitting on your desk at home. I

569
00:47:56,079 --> 00:48:03,520
asked for them so I can work on them. I
haven't seen them. So, we do SWAT

570
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:06,480
analysis to ensure that we're performing
the standards. And if there's

571
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:11,520
expectations that are out there that
we're not meeting, give them to us.

572
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:17,599
We'll meet them. And if by law we can,
we will. So, let me go back to your

573
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:23,440
original question.
We adopted the building code in 2012. I

574
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:26,720
think at that time,
I'm trying to remember who was in

575
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:30,319
charge. Anyways, when Jessica Kizner was
here, the building department was not in

576
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:34,160
a good place. Kraton Reganweather
retired from the fire department. He

577
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:38,240
went over there with an order to shape
it up. spent a couple years over there

578
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:42,559
shaping things around, getting rid of
people, moving people, and then he

579
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,920
wanted to retire or actually go to the
street department. And so Jeff Chapman

580
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:52,400
took over to Billy Neighborhood
Services. He remained over there until

581
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:57,359
2020 when he came over to the Clinton
Fire Department. That move I won't

582
00:48:54,800 --> 00:49:02,640
discuss in public. There was personnel
matters that came into that move. So

583
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:06,640
it's been with the Clinton Fire
Department for do the math. 20

584
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,920
» 14 years
>> for a while.

585
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:13,520
» So, it wasn't moved because anything was
wrong at the city hall. It was moved

586
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:19,440
because of
>> Well, again, uh I think multiple reasons

587
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,720
come into play. I keep hearing that Matt
wanted to have an office for Gro Clinton

588
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:27,359
over here, so he wanted them separated.
So, he moved the inspectors to the fire

589
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:32,640
over to the fire department and moved
Nuisance over to the police department.

590
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:34,960
Nuisance came back. inspector state
and Bill Clinton never had an office

591
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:40,520
over here.
>> When did when did you say it was

592
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,520
separated to fire department?

593
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:50,000
» So the records that I went through
>> 2013 would be the year that record sorry

594
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:53,599
Kraton came over to man the ship.
However, he retired from the fire

595
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:59,200
department to do that.
The information that I got um through

596
00:49:55,599 --> 00:50:02,000
some city records was 2020 is when um it
officially went to the fire department.

597
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:05,520
» That is when it came over to the fire
department. That is correct.

598
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,359
» So it's only been the last four years.
>> Yes.

599
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:12,480
» Yes.
>> Correct.

600
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,640
» So as far as financing goes, can
somebody come over there and pay with a

601
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,240
credit card?
>> You guys have a credit card reader?

602
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,040
» They pay online with a credit card.
>> Online?

603
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:25,119
» Yep. So when it was at city hall, they
could just walk over to finance, pay it,

604
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,640
bring it back over, get their permit,
get their certificate or whatever

605
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,160
without
>> Now they can just stand there, pay it,

606
00:50:28,319 --> 00:50:33,920
and get their permit. It's a lot more
convenient.

607
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:37,400
» But they have to go online to do it.
>> Yep.

608
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,400
» Okay.

609
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:49,520
» Thank you, Mike. Any other questions?
>> Let's see. I truly think this should be

610
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:53,559
done at the operational level and then a
presentation brought to you guys.

611
00:50:54,640 --> 00:51:00,160
Can I just clarify Travis your question
and actually Mike I think when Kraton

612
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:04,000
come over he was still as a battalian
chief if I remember right because I was

613
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:09,280
working under him he was still a
battalion chief and administrator at

614
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:14,720
that time Kissner brought him over due
to issues to clean it up that was done

615
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:19,680
at some point then he retired went down
to the street department Jeff came in

616
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:25,040
before then we had a community
development director Mike Reynolds for

617
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:27,040
that there was uh Stzeski. I think it
was John Stzeski.

618
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,000
» John.
>> So,

619
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:32,400
» so did you guys work all together when
it was at city hall before?

620
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,880
» Yes.
>> Yep. And in 2020,

621
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:41,359
previous administrator made the decision
to separate the department.

622
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:45,520
» Did it work?
>> Leading question.

623
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,760
» Code enforcement was brought back to
city hall.

624
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:52,920
» Thank you, Tammy.

625
00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:56,800
Connor, go ahead.
>> You want to run through your

626
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,880
presentation or
>> Yeah, it's almost 10.

627
00:51:57,839 --> 00:52:02,960
» Can I just say one thing?
>> Yeah, please.

628
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:10,240
» The only issue that I ever have with the
inspections is they'll come out and say,

629
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:13,920
"Take care of these three things and we
agree on it." And I say, "Okay, we'll

630
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:18,079
get those done the next two weeks." But
then when you get the letter, there's 15

631
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:22,079
items on there. And I'm like, "We didn't
talk about all this stuff." So that's my

632
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:26,800
issue with it. If we're talking about
these three things, put the three things

633
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:31,280
on the letter, not 12 other things on
top of the other three we talked about.

634
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:36,319
Because then I send these letters when I
get them, which I'm not I've only been

635
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:41,200
in Colorado 16 days this year. So if
they send me letters, I don't get them

636
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:46,720
most of the time until I come home a
month or two later. By that time,

637
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:51,599
everything's passed. So, I have a great
relationship with Tammy and we work back

638
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:58,880
and forth together on stuff if something
comes up and things like that. So,

639
00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:02,400
that's the big reason, you know, I I
think that's the reason a lot of people

640
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,440
have trouble with the inspectors is
because they say we'll take care of

641
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,960
these two things and then when they get
the letter in the mail, there's 15.

642
00:53:07,359 --> 00:53:11,839
» I think we can discuss that at a
different

643
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:14,640
» I think so too, but I I just let's go
through this presentation. Yeah, when

644
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,920
they were talking about safety and
stuff, I just thought,

645
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:20,640
» you know, that's that would what drives
me nuts and I probably drives other

646
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:24,800
people nuts.
>> I understand. All right, Connor.

647
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:28,800
» Thank you, Bill. And and also, just to
clarify, uh Friday when I put this on

648
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:33,359
the agenda was the day that I notified
Mike and Tammy at the same time. Prior

649
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:38,880
to that, neither of the department heads
knew. Um this wasn't something that I

650
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:45,839
wanted to discuss with department heads
and not all together the same time. Um

651
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:52,880
so just to clarify that
so this presentation was brought to us a

652
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:57,680
few months back um to discuss why it's
at the fire department and should it be

653
00:53:55,599 --> 00:54:03,119
back at the building safety division. So
in this presentation I went through um

654
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:07,680
just a short summary and Christa can get
you these powerpoints. I don't want to

655
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:12,160
waste any morebody's time. We compared
peer cities um to who is running

656
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:16,160
building and neighborhood services,
permitting, code enforcement, and

657
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:23,200
nuisance out of their fire department.
And if you I'll jump to that slide.

658
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:25,119
Um I couldn't find one that was running
out of the fire department.

659
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:33,599
» Ames,
>> Ames, Iowa. I I I appreciate that.

660
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:37,680
But in our local area or city our size,
I couldn't find one. So we had called a

661
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:42,559
couple of them to kind of get an idea of
how they functioned and why they were in

662
00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:47,760
that place. That's what made our
decision to get to that point. So if we

663
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:53,040
get back to history, um we did a little
bit of history of where building and

664
00:54:49,200 --> 00:55:02,200
neighbor services was. And currently or
up until 2020, it had always been under

665
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:02,200
code enforcement. Um and it had operated

666
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:10,240
And then our core question, this isn't
about safety. We're not trying to make

667
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:14,240
safety go away. We're not trying to
change codes. Um, that's not my

668
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:18,800
objective at all. And that wasn't
discussed in the work group one bit. All

669
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:23,200
we care about is how it's perceived to
the citizens and to the business owners

670
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:27,839
and contractors.
Fire department will still have their

671
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:31,520
roles um as they are in the state code.
That's your job. All we're trying to do

672
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:36,880
is change the optics and how the
citizens perceive how this this looks

673
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:41,640
and moves forward.
Um that touches on what we found

674
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:49,040
communities. So that's the current
structures there on your left, the

675
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:52,640
proposed structures on your right. Fire
department still involved with their

676
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:56,040
same practices under life safety and
critical activity.

677
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:02,880
Kind of defines the roles. Um, all fire
departments operate under the same

678
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:07,520
rules. Ours is a little different having
code enforcement with it or I'm sorry,

679
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,599
permitting and
um,

680
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:15,839
» code enforcement.
>> Code enforcement. Yes.

681
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:21,359
Um, customer service is really this main
focus is how do we get better for our

682
00:56:18,319 --> 00:56:26,200
community? Again, I I don't want to
change codes. That's not this objective

683
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,200
at all.

684
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:34,000
Um, this was brought up because also
contract contractors that work in other

685
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:38,559
communities claim that the our city is a
little harder to work in and they don't

686
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:42,880
get the same
structure that they operate in

687
00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:49,359
currently. That hurts our investments
from outside companies.

688
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:52,799
Um so recommendation would be to move
back to city hall under the direction of

689
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:56,760
code or under the direction of community
development and Tammy.

690
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:04,960
We talked a little bit about um what
would be required to make this move. Um

691
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:07,920
that was just a hypothetical number. We
think it's going to be much less than

692
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:13,599
that. Um but that would ultimately come
out of permitting fund as if it was a

693
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:18,559
permitting expense anyways.
Um, so work group, the work group that

694
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:23,440
we are for council was Winters, Lee, and
Karns. Um, I'd spoken with Brian about

695
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:28,240
how to make this move happen under our
budget system. I talked to Tammy about

696
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:32,000
it. I talked to Kevin about safety. Matt
Parbves was our um, community outreach,

697
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:36,480
so he's the one that kind of met with
all the business owners on that. And as

698
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:42,319
Carrie suggested, I'd love Carrie to be
on the board as well or the committee.

699
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:48,240
Um that's just a little bit of how the
structure looks now. Um

700
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:53,359
still everything pretty much stays the
same just the perspective to the

701
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:59,040
community.
Um

702
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:03,200
back to the same structure it was before
and then our proposed timeline. So work

703
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:07,680
group would be phase one, then getting
to the relocation plan, and then

704
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:13,559
hopefully by the end of summer having a
set in stone, here's how we're moving

705
00:58:09,359 --> 00:58:13,559
forward to help better our community.

706
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:20,319
That would be the motion that I would
like to make. Um I motion to have the

707
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:25,559
work group listed above
proceed forward with the necessary steps

708
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:25,559
to accomplish this move.

709
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:32,640
Um,
the work group has to include the fire

710
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:35,040
department.
>> Yeah,

711
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,640
» they're definitely more than welcome for
sure.

712
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:42,400
» This just kind of turned into an odd
conversation how it's going.

713
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:46,960
» Yeah.
>> Um, yeah. I mean, if that's what you all

714
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:49,599
want to do, but the fire department has
to be an integral part of this

715
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:55,359
conversation
>> cuz even if so, I go to court with all

716
00:58:53,040 --> 00:59:01,359
these people all the time and you know,
the fire department handles its

717
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:05,520
expertise and Tammy handles generally
private property. You know, the rental

718
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:11,200
side is almost always
>> Rich and Eli and those guys

719
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:13,119
fire code. the fire code. The fire
department usually I just mean for the

720
00:59:12,799 --> 00:59:15,280
work.
>> So yeah,

721
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:20,400
» what I'm trying to say is you could put
everything under Tammy. You could change

722
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:27,359
the code to change our code to say that.
>> But if you did that, she would still

723
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:30,799
have to have Eli and Greg and Mike
involved in all of that.

724
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:34,640
» 100%. Yes.
>> You know, they'd still have to have

725
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:39,440
their division correct under her.
>> So that's just how it appears to me in

726
00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:45,760
court. Like when I know it's a rental
code violation and I'm there with Eli,

727
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:50,240
» Tammy doesn't really go usually unless
she has a nuisance issue in the same

728
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:55,599
case, right? It's she just deals with
nuisance mostly and you know like unsafe

729
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:58,720
buildings, that type of thing. But a lot
of times it's a mixed bag. I've got the

730
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:01,520
fire people there and I've got her
there.

731
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:04,240
» Um
you know it's almost 10 o'clock guys and

732
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:08,240
I think everybody's starting to get a
little cranky. Um,

733
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:11,760
I mean, if that's what you all want to
do and the council's okay with that, as

734
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:15,760
long as everyone's getting together and
talking about this and actually going

735
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:20,319
through it and strategizing to figure
out, yes, this makes sense, no, it

736
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:26,799
doesn't, I'm fine with that. And I will
make a motion for you all to do that.

737
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:29,599
» Can we Can we Okay. Can we do it a
little differently?

738
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:34,960
» Yeah.
Can we actually look at

739
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:39,440
some of the data points and the goals
and objectives and and what it's going

740
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:44,000
to look like?
Like I I feel like we're

741
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:46,400
» this isn't a new structure to cities.
This is how all the other cities are

742
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:50,880
operating.
>> No, I understand that. I understand

743
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:53,359
that. But why are we doing it other than
customer service?

744
01:00:52,319 --> 01:00:56,079
» Well, customer service,
>> anybody can do customer service. Well, I

745
01:00:54,799 --> 01:00:59,200
figured once they got together and
started hashing this out, they would

746
01:00:57,599 --> 01:01:03,839
come to some conclusions.
>> I I guess going through it, it's just

747
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:09,200
kind of a odd way to have this
conversation in my opinion.

748
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:12,720
» It's really It's really choppy kind of.
>> It's an idea. I kind of I'm I'm tired,

749
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:16,079
too. I'm kind of understand where
Scott's coming from. Maybe like have a

750
01:01:14,319 --> 01:01:20,880
work group to then come back to a
separate cow to have those conversations

751
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:24,559
with the departments. I understand where
you're coming from, Connor. I understand

752
01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:28,240
where Bill and Carrie's coming from. I
also understand where Mike and Sammy and

753
01:01:26,319 --> 01:01:31,280
everybody else is coming from.
>> We never had a work group to move a

754
01:01:29,839 --> 01:01:32,799
department though. That's what I'm
getting.

755
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:37,119
» Well, we didn't have a work group to
move it the first time.

756
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:42,480
» Well, technic because
>> I don't know if changing structures is

757
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:46,880
the city administrator's job. Pat, I
mean, I think Matt's change should have

758
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:52,880
probably went through the council when
that whole department was re completely

759
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:56,000
gutted and moved. I think that was
something we should have talked about,

760
01:01:54,240 --> 01:02:00,480
but we came in one day and it all had
happened and it's been that way for six

761
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:04,880
years. So, here we are. Um, so I don't
mind if you all want to talk about it,

762
01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:08,640
but I already think I have an idea where
you all going to end up concluding. And

763
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:12,000
I don't know if it is going to be
concluded that a move is what's

764
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:15,520
necessary,
but I'm fine with you all talking about.

765
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,880
» Eli, go ahead, sir.
>> Thank you. Eli Voss, building official

766
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:22,960
with the fire department. Um, there's a
couple points I want to just maybe add a

767
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:26,400
few more
talking points to that have been

768
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:30,880
addressed and then I want to address the
codes that might help answer questions

769
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:35,760
you guys have regarding them. Um,
regarding peer cities, Connor, I took a

770
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:39,599
fire inspection class, got my
certification a year and a half ago out

771
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:44,720
in De Moines metro with all the De
Moines metro fire marshals. And um

772
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:48,960
although it's relatively uncommon in
Iowa, our model has uh gained a lot of

773
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:52,720
attention from those professionals out
there because of its effectiveness and

774
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:55,520
discussions with those De Moines metro
area fire marshals and code

775
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:59,440
professionals reinforced that the
structure provides substantial benefits

776
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:03,200
in communication, coordination, and life
safety oversight. And our model was

777
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:07,200
viewed by many of them out there as
forward thinking and highly effective.

778
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:12,400
So it's not necessarily modernize it.
Maybe we were ahead of it and we're more

779
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:16,880
advanced than other cities like us who
don't think that way because

780
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:20,079
seriously they were impressed. All those
bigger cities out there were absolutely

781
01:03:18,319 --> 01:03:25,839
impressed with how our model works here
in Clinton. So I just wanted to share

782
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:28,640
that. Um regarding customer service, so
I took over about a year ago. One of the

783
01:03:27,359 --> 01:03:33,520
programs we implemented was quality
assurance and we hand out um anonymous

784
01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:36,960
quality assurance questionnaires and we
get them back and I'd be happy to share

785
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:42,400
every single one of those with you. We
have high remarks on everything we do

786
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:47,440
and so we are addressing customer
service and where we do have downfalls

787
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:51,520
we address those weekly at our um team
huddle every Thursday morning to start

788
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:56,240
our day off and that's one of the items
we always go over are the QAs and where

789
01:03:54,000 --> 01:04:00,400
there are issues we address them and we
fix them and we move forward and we get

790
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:03,760
better. So, we address that every single
week and I will share every one of those

791
01:04:02,319 --> 01:04:07,039
with you guys if you want to see what
we've been doing because it's working.

792
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:11,119
And I've heard that from contractors out
on site. I had somebody say um a couple

793
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:13,280
months ago building a new house that I
don't know what's changed, but I went

794
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:16,160
into your office and it was very
pleasant.

795
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,680
» That's good.
>> I thought it was great.

796
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:24,000
» Seriously, I thought that was great.
>> You wonder what was happening before

797
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:28,319
though, don't you?
So, I just want to let you know we are

798
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:32,559
addressing customer service and we
actually hold that very high on our list

799
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:37,359
every single week. So, I I'll share
those with you. Um, regarding

800
01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:41,359
contractors from other cities, we do a
lot of work with contractors from other

801
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:46,000
cities. On a ECIA job, I was dealing
with a customer um who does primarily

802
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:48,799
all their work out of Debuke, and he he
uh commented how pleasant it was to work

803
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:54,160
with the city of Clinton because up
there it could take up to 14 days to get

804
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,160
an inspection schedule.

805
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:59,920
um dealing with a contractor from
Bentonorf on a big project here in town.

806
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:02,960
He said he was told in Bentonorf it
could be up to 90 days to get his

807
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:08,559
permit.
We exceed that by far. And so those are

808
01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:13,200
some comparables in this area of other
contractors who also work here who are

809
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:18,000
actually glad with the services they get
here. Um, as far as the committee goes,

810
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:21,920
I would love to be a part of that
conversation because there's a lot of

811
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:25,200
insight I think I can bring where like
the QAS, maybe you guys didn't know that

812
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:28,720
we were doing those kinds of thing.
We've implemented a lot of things to get

813
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:33,599
better in our office. So maybe that's
just not known and I'd love to share all

814
01:05:30,319 --> 01:05:38,880
that kind of a show and tell um for
Carrie and Bill. So, the city of Clinton

815
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:44,000
has codes and ordinances and we've
adopted them and it's become law. And

816
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:49,920
once adopted, those laws cannot simply
be ignored in order to make it just

817
01:05:46,319 --> 01:05:54,079
easier to build here. Um, city staff
both um have both a legal and ethical

818
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:59,280
obligation to interpret administer the
the adopted uh regulations consistently

819
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:03,359
and fairly. and selective administration
or intentionally looking the other way

820
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:08,000
creates significant ris uh risk, excuse
me. Um such as increased liability

821
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:12,400
exposure for the city, for the building
safety division, for us inspectors

822
01:06:10,319 --> 01:06:16,880
personally, increased danger to
occupants, inconsistent and unfair code

823
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:20,799
administration for customers if we're
not treating everybody the same, then

824
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:25,039
that can be viewed poorly. Um loss of
public trust, and increased likelihood

825
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:29,039
of future incidents if something goes
wrong because we didn't enforce it. If

826
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:32,480
it's believed that certain codes should
change, there's a legal process to

827
01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:36,319
change them through legislation uh
legislative action. And the mayor just

828
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:40,160
talked about how Cody and Connor and Pat
and a few of us met to talk about that

829
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:43,359
right now. So, we're in the middle of
that. And I think we have some wiggle

830
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:46,799
room because the state cut out a big
section of where we were really tied

831
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:51,039
with. So, we we're going to look at
those options and try to make those the

832
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:55,839
administration part of that much user
friendly. Until that occurs occurs

833
01:06:54,240 --> 01:07:00,720
though, the code officials are obligated
to interpret and administer the codes as

834
01:06:57,839 --> 01:07:05,520
they're adopted. And as they're adopted,
the codes provide the rules that we have

835
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:09,839
to follow.
First and foremost, the codes tell us

836
01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:14,640
what we must do. Second, if the codes do
not include rules for us to follow, then

837
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:20,640
we can approve alternatives as long as
they meet or exceed that code minimum.

838
01:07:18,799 --> 01:07:25,680
Lastly, if an approved alternative is
not available, then we can approve

839
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:29,119
solutions designed by an engineer.
Those are the options. If it's in the

840
01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:32,720
book, we follow it. If it's not in the
book, we can approve a alternative that

841
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:36,319
meets it. And if there's no
alternatives, then solutions can be

842
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:39,599
prepared by a registered design
professional.

843
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:43,520
So, approving anything outside the scope
of those three options willfully

844
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:48,400
violates the code and puts legal risk on
the code officials who look the other

845
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:51,440
way. and we do not want to put ourselves
in that position. I don't know if

846
01:07:50,319 --> 01:07:55,440
anybody's paid attention to city of
Davenport in the last couple years with

847
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:59,920
the building collapse. I wouldn't be
surprised if some of those people are

848
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:03,760
going to be held criminally for actions.
We don't want to put ourselves in that

849
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:07,599
position.
Um the thing about the rules, they're

850
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:11,440
not always crystal clear. Cody saw this
firsthand when we were dealing with

851
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:14,400
chapter 152 a couple years back. How
many different books you have to get

852
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:17,759
into and how this references this. So
they're not always clear and so they

853
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:21,920
must be interpreted. Code officials
interpret the rules to ensure that the

854
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:25,920
proper scope and applicability of that
code went into the proper ruling. So we

855
01:08:24,719 --> 01:08:29,920
got to make sure we're dealing in the
right book and then do these chapters

856
01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:35,359
apply to this project. So we got to
break it down like that every time to

857
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:38,960
make sure our ruling is correct.
If a customer disagrees with the code

858
01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:43,199
official's interpretation of those
rules, um the code official cannot

859
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:47,120
simply ignore or change the rules. By
law, we cannot do that.

860
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:51,759
» Those rule changes only come through
legislative action. Um, we can only

861
01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:56,159
approve that alternative if there's one
there or we can accept something

862
01:08:54,080 --> 01:09:00,560
designed by a professional that says it
meets those rules. Um, if the customer

863
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:04,480
is dissatisfied with those options, they
have the right to appeal what we

864
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:09,199
interpreted. And appeals are not viewed
negatively or taken personally. I

865
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:13,199
actually prefer them um because it's my
preferred method of reaching a solution.

866
01:09:10,799 --> 01:09:17,359
It puts it on a a board. It takes it off
of everybody else and the board says,

867
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:21,679
"Did I make the right ruling or not?"
And then we move on from there. Um, the

868
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:25,679
building safety division prides itself
on working with customers to find those

869
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:30,319
solutions and approve projects. We do
this all the time where we can within

870
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:36,000
those rules that we have to work within
the code book. Um, and I can give

871
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:40,560
examples of that that we do that every
day. Um, one is, um, YWCA, the new

872
01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:43,839
building, you know, they were they had
to have a temp CFO or CFO by a certain

873
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:47,600
date or they were going to lose all
their funding. Well, we absolutely

874
01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:51,440
worked with them. We go through, we find
out, is this thing safe to be in for

875
01:09:49,839 --> 01:09:56,320
right now and can they work on these
other minor things and we work with them

876
01:09:53,920 --> 01:10:01,679
and we reach that conclusion and we
approve them, gave them that tempo and

877
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:04,480
everything's good to go. Um, we've done
that for Unity Christian School, we've

878
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:09,199
done that for private residential
dwellings. Um, just this probably two

879
01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:14,080
weeks ago, I had a customer put an
addition on the back of a house. They

880
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:18,159
were one truss short. Trusses can only
span 24 inches on center. So, the first

881
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:23,520
one was 24. Second one was 24. The next
one was 30. The next one was about 38.

882
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:26,800
The next one was 40. So, they tried. So,
what's the solution? We need an extra

883
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:30,320
truss back in there so they're all
spaced right. Well, that was going to

884
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:35,360
require ripping all the roofing off, all
the shingles off, all the um sheathing

885
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:37,600
off and then adding another truss in.
So, they have to buy another truss. They

886
01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:42,480
were going to have to cut plumbing
vents. So, working with them, I said,

887
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:47,920
"How about you just stick frame another
rafter in to cut that 40 in down to make

888
01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:52,320
that compliant?" And the guy was almost
in tears and wanted to hug me because we

889
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:55,920
saved him all that time and money
because we do that. We work with our

890
01:10:54,080 --> 01:11:01,360
customers to find those solutions where
we can. we just can't look the other way

891
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:05,360
or not follow something if it's adopted.
So, I just wanted to share that that we

892
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:07,920
do that all the time for our customers
and and where we can we we try to do

893
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,400
that.
>> Yeah.

894
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:13,760
» Can I ask a question, Eli? Cuz because I
don't understand the process because I

895
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:17,840
don't own anything that's got to be
inspected anymore.

896
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:21,199
» But how did we get down to on the troll?
How did we get to where everybody's

897
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:25,120
frantic and
>> it's not really on the agenda though,

898
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:29,199
» but it was brought up,
>> but it's part of getting way off.

899
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:32,800
» We're getting way out in the weeds.
>> I think you we need to decide do they

900
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:35,120
want to get together and talk about
this. Yes or no?

901
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,480
» Yes.
>> Okay. Then I think you all should get

902
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:42,239
together and talk about this and then if
you guys have something meaningful,

903
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:44,880
we'll talk about it in another committee
of the whole. How's that sound?

904
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:50,239
» That sounds good.
>> Perfect. Great.

905
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:53,520
Good deal. Do we need to motion that or
just let it happen? I don't think so.

906
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,600
» Just a work.
>> Well, then it would be just a work

907
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:58,400
group.
>> That's what you proposed.

908
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:02,400
» He proposed.
>> I proposed what was brought.

909
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,719
» Oh, well, I'm not comfortable without
you guys going and meeting with the fire

910
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:06,640
department first.
>> Okay.

911
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:11,840
» Y that's got to happen.
>> That's got to happen.

912
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:16,000
So the motion is to put forward to a to
direct at a working group including

913
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:19,440
Connor's people that he suggested plus
the fire department.

914
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:25,440
» Yes, that sounds good. If Yeah, they
they too many moving parts to not have a

915
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:28,239
» Yeah, there's just too much.
>> I think we need I suppose we should

916
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:31,760
include Tammy because
>> Yeah. No, Tam whoever was on that list

917
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,280
and the fire department.
>> There's a lot of people talking right

918
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:39,120
now.
>> Yeah. Let's

919
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:41,360
» All right. We got a motion. A second.
>> Second.

920
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,679
» You're getting sleepy.
>> It's all you, buddy. A meeting if you

921
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:48,480
want to.
>> I know. Go do it.

922
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,719
» Is there a motion to move the work group
forward?

923
01:12:49,679 --> 01:12:52,239
» I make the motion.
>> Is there a second?

924
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:57,159
» Second.
>> Second.

925
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:57,159
» Can we have roll call, please?

926
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,640
» Council member Turpin.
>> Yes.

927
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,600
» Winter.
>> Yes.

928
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,280
» Karns.
>> Sure.

929
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,560
» Yes.
>> Lee?

930
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,600
» Yes.
>> Oren?

931
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,040
» Yes.
>> Celely?

932
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:11,280
» Yes. Determin.
>> Yes.

933
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:14,640
» Are we talking about 2E?
>> Oh god. Do you want to skip it?

934
01:13:13,679 --> 01:13:20,080
» I mean, sure.
>> Is it urgent?

935
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:22,640
» Nope. I motion to remove it from the
committee.

936
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,920
» We just place it on the next committee
of the whole.

937
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:26,560
» Yep.
>> Perfect.

938
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:28,800
» Make make a motion to move it to date
certain, which is

939
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,280
» 23rd.
>> 23rd.

940
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:37,199
» I'll make that motion.
>> I'll second.

941
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:37,199
» Can we have roll call, please?

942
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,640
Karns,
>> yes.

943
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,679
» Lee,
>> yes.

944
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:42,719
» Oren,
>> yes.

945
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:44,159
» Seely,
>> yes.

946
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,400
» Yes.
>> Turpin,

947
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:49,920
» yep.
>> Yes.

948
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:54,760
» We have a motion to adjurnn.
>> Motion.

949
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:54,760
» We're adjourned.

950
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:06,440
Heat. Heat.