[0:00] meeting will officially open for
business. My laptop's dead and I have
[0:05] one option that may or may not happen
[0:10] to the flag of the United States of
America and to the
[0:16] stands one nation
indivisible with liberty and justice for
[0:22] all.
[0:27] We have the uh review of minutes from 64
78 and 85. What's the pleasure of the
[0:34] board?
>> Madam chair, move to approve uh the
[0:38] three uh minutes as as presented.
Second.
[0:42] » Any discussion? All those in favor?
>> I oppose. It's unanimous.
[0:50] » Oh, okay. So,
uh, next order of business is, um, we
[0:55] have three poll requests. They're all
hearing, so you'd like to come up.
[1:06] » Is there uh, one you'd like to start
with?
[1:09] » Uh, well, we'll start by uh, let's see.
The first one, we've got Fitch Road. If
[1:14] you could just give your names, please.
>> Sure.
[1:16] » Yeah. Erica Troa representing National
Grid Electric. Colton Marshall National
[1:20] Grid.
>> Thank you. Yes. So, we'll do uh Fitz
[1:23] Road first.
[1:30] » Uh yeah. So, there's a new midspan pull
going between existing pole 7 and
[1:34] existing pull eight on Fitch Road. Um
this is to install a new feeder monitor.
[1:42] » Sorry, what did you think? What monitor?
>> Feeder monitor. Monitor. Yep.
[1:49] board have any well it's a public
hearing so I'll see if there's anybody
[1:54] who has any questions or comments in
favor of this request
[2:02] close that opposed
close that what's the pleasure of the
[2:07] board
>> madam chair I move that we approve the
[2:10] uh pole location on pitch road
>> is there a second
[2:14] » second
>> any discussion all those In favor,
[2:18] » unanimous. Next one would be uh West
Boilston Street.
[2:24] » Um this similarly uh is going to be a
binsspan pole between existing pole 13
[2:30] and 12-50.
Um and this is going to have a a uh it's
[2:36] called a recloser. It's basically a a
circuit wide um circuit breaker for the
[2:41] electrical feeder. Um and similarly the
the next one is as well. So midspan pole
[2:49] it's going to have its own
infrastructure on it.
[2:52] » Okay. Again it's a public hearing. So
what else? Is there anybody to speak in
[2:56] favor?
That closed. Anyone to speak against?
[3:01] Move that closed. That's the pleasure of
the board.
[3:04] » Madam Chair, I move we approve uh the
poll location on West Boilston Street.
[3:09] » Second. Any discussion?
>> All those in favor? I
[3:13] » opposed. It's unanimous. And then we
have Flag Street.
[3:17] » Yep. Last on Flag Street is again a
midspan pool between existing pole six
[3:24] and P 7. P 6S50.
And this is to support overhead
[3:29] infrastructure uh to isolate the
existing recloser on P six. So it'll
[3:36] have some infrastructure up on the top
of the pole.
[3:39] » Okay. Again, it's a public hearing. Is
there anyone wants to speak in favor of
[3:44] it? Move that close. Against.
Move that close. What's the pleasure of
[3:49] the board?
>> Madam Chair, I move we approve the
[3:52] utility pool location on Flag Street.
>> Is there a second?
[3:56] » Second.
>> Any discussion? All those in favor?
[4:00] » I.
>> It's unanimous. Thank you.
[4:03] » Thank you so much.
[4:11] The board has a um license application
for a new taxi license. Would you like
[4:17] to come forward?
>> I don't see them here.
[4:20] » They're not here.
>> No.
[4:23] » Um I know that the chief did um
comment on the uh vehicle
[4:32] and had no objections. Um, does the
board want to move forward?
[4:37] » Chair, I'll make a motion that we just
table it to the end of the meeting. Give
[4:41] him a give him a chance. Maybe he can
make it.
[4:43] » Do you do you know if they're going to
Are they supposed to be here?
[4:46] » Yeah.
>> Oh, okay. All right. So, um,
[4:50] Mr. Bailey has moved that we table it
till the end of the meeting.
[4:56] » Any other discussion? All those in
favor? Oppos? It's unanimous. So, vote
[5:02] off on that.
And then we have uh Aqualine Utility
[5:07] Inc. Um
this is for the um line utility holding
[5:16] the issue of the bonds blah blah blah.
So what's the pleasure of the board?
[5:24] That's it's just an assignment sign
[5:29] that we ended the contract with
[5:35] restructuring
[5:40] » same
[5:51] Right.
>> So what's the pleasure of the board?
[5:57] » Madam Chair, I move that the uh board
authorize
[6:01] uh
changing the entity of Aqua Line Utility
[6:06] Incorporated to Aqua Line Utility
Holdings for the purpose of the contract
[6:10] that the town has.
>> Is there a second?
[6:13] » Second.
>> Any discussion?
[6:17] Uh the only discussion I have is does
the whole board have to sign that
[6:21] document?
>> No, I think
[6:24] » just maybe Mr. Call maybe amen to
authorize the chair to sign the uh
[6:31] the
[6:35] » All those in favor?
>> Opposed? Unanimous.
[6:40] And then we have uh Walnut Street uh lot
use request
[6:46] » here.
>> Yes.
[6:48] » Come forward.
[6:55] » Again, if you could please give your
name.
[6:57] » I'm Kyle
>> John Bernier. Northeast Energy.
[7:01] » Okay.
And my understanding is you're going to
[7:05] be doing some work on the church and
that you're going to use
[7:08] » request to place the roof and it's right
along the um parking along uh that right
[7:14] side. So looking to temporarily use that
space as a safety precaution and use of
[7:20] dumpster and materials.
>> And and that's for how long do you think
[7:26] that the duration of
>> likely two weeks.
[7:29] » Two weeks.
>> Mhm.
[7:31] And we don't have any set in stone
dates. We work with the town to what
[7:37] would be, you know, suitable.
>> Okay.
[7:40] » Yeah. Just presently right now we're
doing the sidewalks in that area as
[7:44] well. So um perhaps would be a good idea
to uh meet with the DPW superintendent
[7:52] to um to work that all out as far as
when they're going to finish the
[7:58] construction on the sidewalks. I mean, I
think they have like twothirds of it
[8:01] done. Maybe
>> should have been none.
[8:03] » I know it. I know it. So, I mean,
because you don't want to, you know, set
[8:08] a date and have those not be completed.
So, we'd like to see everything
[8:13] coordinated so that everybody's
>> we have to do that.
[8:18] » So, um does anyone on the board have any
questions?
[8:22] » Uh I have a question. Well, maybe to go
through the town solicitor, but uh is
[8:27] there a way to
have the town indemnified?
[8:32] » I'm sorry, what was that last part? He's
just being asking the solicitor.
[8:36] » I was asking council solicitor how we
would go about securing the town's
[8:39] interest and indemnify us from
liability for authorizing the use uh
[8:46] named on an insurance policy. Maybe
>> that's one way or you could have a
[8:51] separate, you know, dification. You were
awesome. Thank you.
[8:53] » Agree. But even in that agreement, you
want you want the town to be
[8:57] specifically named as an insured on
their liability
[8:59] » additionally insured.
>> Yeah. Almost like you need to do, you
[9:02] know, any contractor.
>> Okay.
[9:05] » We do that.
>> Okay. Thank you, Bill.
[9:10] » Um, any other questions?
What's the pleasure of the board? U
[9:15] madam chair make a motion we authorize
the use of the uh parking lot or the
[9:19] portion of the parking lot as shown on
the drawing uh subject to coordination
[9:25] with the DPW superintendent the chief of
police and providing uh the insurance
[9:32] certificate naming the town as additions
in
[9:36] » second
>> any other discussion all those in favor
[9:40] I
>> opposed it's unanimous
[9:42] » just one minor point is on this sketch
you have
[9:47] the dumpster at the rear of the lot.
>> Yes.
[9:50] » How are you going to access that?
>> So at the front end of it. So uh can I
[9:57] bring you this picture?
>> Sure.
[10:01] » So we were thinking about
way back here where the white car is and
[10:06] so we would have this whole area blocked
off and then our guys can access that
[10:10] dump. I meant to pick it up, but you do
it the same. You You would have that
[10:15] this whole area, please.
>> Correct.
[10:21] » I'm all set.
>> Okay. Any other questions? All those in
[10:24] favor?
>> I opposed.
[10:28] » Thank you so much. Good luck. Again, you
know, just get your coordination there.
[10:34] » Perfect. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[10:35] » Okay.
Uh, next agenda item is uh touch a truck
[10:40] request. Pleasant view. Dustin, you want
to come forward?
[10:45] » Good evening.
>> Good evening.
[10:47] » Just give your name, please.
>> Uh, Dustin Whitaker, owner of Pleasant
[10:49] View Waste Removal in Ports in Clinton.
Um, so I'm coming before the board
[10:54] tonight just to um give a brief brief
history of the Touch Truck Show. It's a
[10:59] Halloween themed um we call it a truck
or treat. Uh we started the event in
[11:04] 2023.
Uh we had about 150 to 200 kids walk
[11:09] through that year. It's increased every
year since. Um
[11:13] the event consists of industry leaders
in trucking, excavating, bulldozing. Uh
[11:20] we have Lifelike come in and land in the
fields up at the uh the high school. We
[11:23] have the sheriff's department there. Um
it it's it's quite a good show. We we've
[11:27] got a couple of uh food trucks up there.
Um it started off as a fundraiser for
[11:33] wheat. Um we've continued that theme. Um
we're going to continue that theme this
[11:38] year as well. We're looking for non-p
perishable food items for wheat. Um this
[11:42] year we're adding a uh we're requesting
cash donations to a um a facility called
[11:48] on-site uh on-site academy which
specializes in PTSD for first
[11:53] responders. Um so any cash donations
that come in are going to get donated
[11:57] 100% to on-site. Um, I'm coming before
the board to ask for help with uh police
[12:03] details. Um, any any kind of financial
relief that we can get on police
[12:09] details. Um,
the first year we had, I believe, two
[12:13] police details, one for traffic control
and one to participate in the show. Uh,
[12:18] year two and year three we've had just
one police detail for the traffic
[12:22] control. Um, we're trying to get local
other local towns, Bolton, Berlin,
[12:28] Sterling, Lancaster. We're trying to get
a a police officer and a cruiser from
[12:31] each of those towns. Um, we're hoping to
get a couple more um police cruisers
[12:36] from Clinton as well as the traffic
detail. Um,
[12:41] the first year, the police relief
association absorbed the cost for that.
[12:45] Uh, the second year, Whitney Oil
absorbed the cost for that. The third
[12:49] year, Pleasant View absorbed the cost
for that. Uh, like I said, we're just
[12:52] looking for any help in in offsetting
that cost basically.
[12:56] » Um, I did talk to Chief Coin yesterday.
Um, told him I was coming up in front of
[13:01] the board tonight as well. So, between
police relief association, if you guys
[13:06] are willing to help with a donation or
the chief absorbent in his budget, you
[13:11] know, whatever whatever can be
facilitated, I guess, is is what I'm
[13:14] looking for.
>> Well, I mean, we also have the civic
[13:18] fund. we can have a donation of the
civot funding.
[13:21] » Okay.
>> Um so I mean I I have no problem I'd be
[13:25] more than glad to accept a motion to uh
>> Madam Chair, I'd make a motion that uh
[13:31] we authorize $500 from the civic fund to
the the organization and the police
[13:38] detail could get paid out of that.
>> Okay. As far as coordinating an onduty
[13:44] cruiser or an officer to be part of the
show, I'd encourage you to uh enter into
[13:50] a conversation with the chief to see if
he can set something up.
[13:54] » Y
>> I I'm I probably have a conflict of
[13:56] interest because my grandkids love going
to touch a truck events and this has
[14:00] been
>> there's no conflict there. Everybody
[14:02] loves it.
>> Yeah. But I'm advocating now for my my
[14:06] family members. But it's a great
opportunity for kids to
[14:09] » Yeah. They love big trucks.
>> Yep.
[14:12] » Loud trucks.
>> Y
[14:14] » I think it's a great event for the town.
>> Appreciate it. Thank you.
[14:16] » You've done a great job with it. So that
that the motion is to authorize $500
[14:21] from the civic fund. Um
>> do we have a second?
[14:25] » Second.
>> Any other discussion?
[14:28] » I I just I just wanted I didn't see a
date in here, so I didn't know.
[14:32] » Uh so it's October 24th. It's a
Saturday, 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. It's
[14:36] uh 75 West Boilster Street, across from
the high school in the parking lot.
[14:42] » Question.
>> Rain date of the next day, the 25th.
[14:45] » Uh I I would just also like to echo what
Bill had to say. Um it's great fun for
[14:52] the for the kids and you know, I know
that there's a lot of people that show
[14:57] up for it. It's a fun day. So, um, I
think it's terrific and thank you for
[15:03] putting it together.
>> Yeah, I couldn't I couldn't have done it
[15:06] without my awesome team. They've been
they've been great with it. So,
[15:08] » that's that's terrific.
>> Thank you.
[15:10] » So, uh, motion's been made and there's a
second to give a $500 donation from the
[15:14] civic fund. Any other discussion? All
those in favor?
[15:18] » I I.
>> It's unanimous.
[15:20] » Appreciate it. Thank you.
>> Best of luck. Let's hope the weather's
[15:23] good.
>> It's always good.
[15:24] » It'll be a pleasant view.
[15:29] Okay. Um, the next uh agenda item is a
one-day liquor license for the BFW
[15:36] outside event. Is there anyone here from
BFW?
[15:42] Uh, well, the request is that it's end
of summer barbecue. The date is
[15:48] September 26th from 12 to 8:00 p.m. And
the place is 10 Allen Street, the back
[15:54] parking lot.
So, uh, they have done this many years.
[16:01] So, um, I know there's no one here, but
it's kind of a consistent affair. So,
[16:08] um, what's the pleasure of the board?
>> Madam Chair, I make a motion that we
[16:12] approve uh the BFW and the summer uh
liqu.
[16:17] » Is there a second?
>> Second.
[16:19] » Any discussion? All those in favor?
>> That's unanimous.
[16:26] Uh, PAV Golf Tournament donation
request. Uh, this is the Oh my goodness.
[16:31] This is the 33rd annual PAV Golf
Classic.
[16:36] Saturday, September 12th. Tea times
begin at 8:00 a.m.
[16:42] and it's at the Berlin Country Club.
So, they are asking uh for a donation. I
[16:49] know that we've in the past, I'm sure,
have given them something. So, um
[16:54] » I don't know if you
>> I'm sorry.
[16:57] » I'm not sure how much.
>> Okay.
[16:59] » So, I guess I'll accept the motion that
whatever we've given them in the past,
[17:03] we would um match whatever we've done in
in the past.
[17:08] » I'll accept that motion.
>> Okay.
[17:11] » Is there a second?
>> You know, we have the the reserves set
[17:14] amount we've been given. Okay. Yeah,
I'll go with that. It was But
[17:18] » any on the discussion? Honestly, the
discussion is that after we find out
[17:22] whatever the donation was in the past
that
[17:25] » we'll match the same this year.
>> I don't I be honest. I don't think we
[17:28] did.
>> I don't
[17:31] » I say that because um Mr. Farra I was
talking to him about this and I he had
[17:36] give him an example letter. I just
thought I'm nodding my head here. I
[17:40] don't think
>> Okay. So, you helped him formulate this
[17:43] Bernie?
>> Well, I gave him someone else and we
[17:44] plagiarized it. Yeah, I I didn't read I
didn't read it that much.
[17:50] » Um I mean it says a $100 whole
sponsorship is a popular.
[17:54] » Yeah.
>> So um in their letter,
[17:58] » Madam Chair.
>> Yes.
[17:59] » If I may, maybe I'm off
over the edge, but I'd amend the motion
[18:06] to authorize a $500 contribution
to the PAV golf class if there isn't
[18:13] already a history of a different amount.
Is there a second?
[18:17] » I'll second.
>> Any other discussion? All those in
[18:21] favor? I
>> I Well, I hope they have a great sunny
[18:24] day.
>> Giving away all those sunny days.
[18:28] » I know it. Huh?
Okay. The Clinton landfill
[18:33] um
containment basin clean
[18:40] out bid award. Only one bid was
submitted.
[18:44] Um, it's a motion to award the bid in
the amount of $210,000.
[18:54] » And who was the uh
>> I'm looking at it right now.
[18:58] » I don't have that.
[19:14] I don't even see it.
The bit went to for the
[19:19] » I think it's onyx.
>> Onyx. Onyx is
[19:23] » onyx.
>> Onyx.
[19:25] » Okay.
>> Onyx.
[19:29] Did you?
>> Yes. Right here. Right here. Okay. So
[19:35] it's a
Onyx company from
[19:41] Actton Mass.
What's the pleasure of the board?
[19:46] » I have a question about the bidding
process at $210,000.
[19:50] Does only receiving one bid uh
fit the procurement act stuff about
[19:59] minimum number of bids and that type of
thing. Can we award a contract with only
[20:03] one bid? I believe so.
>> Yeah.
[20:06] » If it's a qualified bidder or
>> Yeah. Yeah. Can
[20:09] » I make a motion that we award uh the
$210,000 bid for the pace and clean out
[20:14] to Onyx Corporation?
>> Is there a second?
[20:20] » Second.
>> Well, it certainly looks on on the
[20:23] document here, Bill. They have done
other local
[20:29] Chapi Shbury.
Yep. So, looks like they have a good
[20:36] reputation. So,
is there a second? There was a second
[20:40] there.
>> Any other discussion?
[20:43] » All those in favor
[20:48] » um
>> is it in the SharePoint?
[20:51] » Okay, we have um
[20:56] allocation expenditures review.
>> I have the auditorium
[21:01] request.
You do? I know. I've got mine on to
[21:06] here.
>> All right. Okay.
[21:07] » What have you got? All right. That's
down below.
[21:10] » All right.
>> Oh, right. Okay.
[21:12] » Yeah.
[21:21] Guess this is just um
the runoff of where we are um at this
[21:28] point. So if anyone has any
discussion
[21:35] uh they'd like to bring forward
I don't see that
[21:40] » I'm sorry file is it labeled something
>> it was added
[21:46] » today
>> today
[21:47] » today I was kind of late
>> it should be under N9
[21:52] » if it's not we can print off a copy
>> well I guess I I have a question for
[22:00] you. Um um Mr. solicitor. Um can we go
back if in one case what we have given
[22:10] um
awarded to town employees for their
[22:14] working during um co
and uh could we go back and revisit that
[22:22] if we
have certain departments that we did not
[22:28] allocate
compensation for them if because there
[22:33] is still money in that uh line item. A
substantial amount of money.
[22:39] » Yeah. I mean, you can you can amend the
the agreement. It just has to be, you
[22:43] know, substantially the same scope and
within substantially the same purpose,
[22:48] which here you can make that argument
that it is. I mean,
[22:51] » it's a gray area whenever you do these
amendments
[22:54] » when you go back, you know, because
obviously we're getting toward the, you
[22:57] know, toward the end of the uh
expenditure period. So, but here if
[23:01] you're going to if it's got it's the
same purpose, you know, it's a little
[23:04] bit different scope cuz now you're broad
scope. But,
[23:07] » well, I mean, when we first did it
originally, I think there was only uh
[23:12] four departments that we had given
something to. Um so in that time that
[23:20] that that did occur there was a lot of
discussion about you know extending it
[23:26] to other departments
and um it didn't happen at that
[23:32] particular time but so I guess my
question is is
[23:37] » but sorry so but you would be taking
money from some money that was allocated
[23:42] to another under another agreement or
another project right? No.
[23:46] » Okay. There's still money left in
>> correct a substantial amount of money
[23:50] left
>> that was allocated that was for that
[23:53] » reason that
>> right premium pay for uh God I can't
[23:58] even read it. premium pay for eligible
employees during co.
[24:04] » So at the time um Angela who was the
assistant had uh was doing the work on
[24:11] it and she had inserted an amount of
330,000
[24:18] and um we still have uh
over 150 plus left. So um the
[24:29] consideration
is can we go back and rethink
[24:37] of are there additional people town
employees that we would like to
[24:42] compensate if they were working with you
know in that time frame that we
[24:49] compensated those other departments.
So we would be looking at the same exact
[24:55] time frame that we compensated the other
departments
[25:00] » for the same reason too.
>> Correct. Yeah. Correct.
[25:03] » I'll have to take I'll take I mean I'm
familiar with all the actual regulations
[25:07] but
>> Okay.
[25:08] » We can take a look at that.
>> Okay.
[25:10] » But it sounds like it' be it'd be the
same purpose.
[25:12] » Correct. you know, maybe we're
increasing the scope to include
[25:17] additional employees maybe that were
missed initially just because
[25:21] but if it's employees that fall into the
same, you know, probably as a decision
[25:26] earlier, I think we have we have a good
>> Okay. So, will you have that information
[25:33] for us for the next meeting?
>> Okay.
[25:35] » And there may be, you know, there may
there may be no specific answer. We just
[25:39] may have to, you know, convince
ourselves that it's within the same
[25:41] scope and substantial for the same
purpose. So, we're going to do it
[25:45] because it would be right with the same
the employees that did it. They came
[25:48] into work during that whatever. I don't
know what um period they used last time
[25:52] that three-ear co period. I'm not really
sure. I don't I have no idea. But just
[25:56] to be clear, so there's no um I work for
the town. I would not campaign.
[26:01] » So, I work for the only department.
Thanks, Breny.
[26:04] » Yeah. I know. Well, I Well, you know how
things get. You know, you think we
[26:07] conspired to work this but how how would
this comes out? I did work during the
[26:11] vet. not get any money out of this. So,
I've already saved money again.
[26:17] » Madam Chair, yes.
>> Just in the interest of uh time,
[26:20] » could we request that the chair and the
town administrator work on a plan to
[26:26] implement if the opinion comes back that
we're it's permissible?
[26:31] » Um
I'm happy to work on anything as so
[26:35] directed, but um Madame Chair, can I
just make a a comment to Mr. Gibbons?
[26:39] Um, so the sheet that had tracked all of
the ARPA projects, um, as far as what I
[26:47] can tell, was last, um, produced or
updated by the former town administrator
[26:54] in April. And in the columns
about the status, it says complete on
[27:01] this particular one. So, I think what we
need to determine is if it was
[27:06] overbudgeted
um and then it was just whatever and
[27:10] again I wasn't here so I'll rely on
everybody's historical um context if it
[27:16] was overbudgeted and then the four
departments or what have you were paid
[27:21] out and that's why there's a balance. I
don't know what I don't know and we're
[27:26] gonna have to find out is if
there really is more people that that
[27:32] fell into those departments and those
categories that should get it or if it's
[27:37] just those folks were paid out and
there's a balance because there's
[27:41] balances on a lot of the projects.
>> Um if somebody purchased a vehicle for
[27:46] example and it was budgeted I'm making
this up at 40,000 maybe it came in at
[27:50] 35. So there's like smaller ones, but um
>> to your point, there's a substantial
[27:56] amount there. We should investigate it.
>> Well, what had happened was when Angela
[28:00] did her background work on this as an
example, she brought in sheets for us,
[28:06] the board of selectment, and I think you
remember this, Julie,
[28:09] » that um were number one what other
communities had done
[28:14] » and what amounts they use for
compensation. And so she had like an
[28:19] example that one community, I'll just
say Milbury,
[28:24] » okay,
>> Milbury had decided to compensate all of
[28:29] their employees
and set an amount of money that they
[28:33] were going to give to all of their
employees across the board and other
[28:39] communities
um chose to only give to certain
[28:44] departments. So I think when that 330
was set up, she was looking at if the
[28:52] town decided to compensate all their
employees at the time that that's what
[28:57] what you were looking at. As I recall,
Julie remember when she I probably still
[29:01] have those spreadsheets at home, but
that's where we kind of like she had put
[29:07] everything together and so that's where
I think she came up with that 330.
[29:13] So, um, and then when the board decided
to just give certain departments, that's
[29:20] where that huge lump of money.
>> That makes sense. Yeah.
[29:24] » So,
>> but because she had done a pretty fair
[29:29] amount of work on
>> trying to show us at least what other
[29:34] communities were doing
>> and had none. So,
[29:38] » Right.
>> Yeah. I might have some people too
[29:42] because we certainly certainly talked
about
[29:45] » well I mean we certainly talked about it
>> for sure. We did it multiple times too
[29:50] like it was kind of a multi-
you know meeting uh discussion
[29:57] probably over the span of like six
months a year. So wow, there are
[30:01] probably like touch points
>> over. So I can try and figure out maybe
[30:06] pinpoint a few meetings where we really
nailed it. But yeah, some of it's
[30:10] probably an estimate and then it was
almost like to Mary what Mary just said
[30:15] like there various options proposed to
try to figure out what would work best
[30:19] for Clinton. So
>> and I I don't know maybe Jolisa she
[30:23] might still have some of those files in
her office.
[30:26] She did have some stuff for old home day
and
[30:29] » I'm sorry.
>> She did have some stuff for old home day
[30:31] in some nice little um binders and it
was all organized. I haven't seen
[30:36] anything about Okay.
>> but I can check more.
[30:39] » Sure. Okay.
>> All right. So, Bob, we'll see what we
[30:43] can come up with for the 23rd.
>> Take a look see.
[30:47] » Yeah. It would be nice if we could find
some of her.
[30:51] I I'll look to see if I I still have
>> And would you be looking to expand to
[30:56] additional departments?
>> Uhhuh.
[30:58] » That weren't compensated.
>> Yes.
[31:00] » Yes.
>> Well, I believe we only compensated
[31:05] four.
>> Okay.
[31:07] » Police, fire, board of health, and the
um cafeteria workers.
[31:14] » But we budgeted signi significantly
more.
[31:17] » Correct. because Angela's was the one
who put inserted that amount and she was
[31:24] going by, you know, if the town decided
to do all of the employees.
[31:30] » My point is that it was budgeted for all
the employees.
[31:33] » Correct.
>> Or a significant
[31:35] » correct
>> significantly more employees than and
[31:38] » what we actually Yeah. Right. So it was
budgeted but then the board restricted
[31:44] those employees that would be receiving
the benefit
[31:47] » and those were the full departments I
believe Julie right police fire
[31:51] » board of health and the cafeteria
workers
[31:55] and
>> they all take up different amounts.
[31:57] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[31:59] » There was a calculation.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[32:03] » Okay.
All right. Moving on. Um, we have a
[32:07] request from the boosters hall of fame
that they had last year. They're going
[32:13] to do it again this year. Um,
and the date for that is
[32:20] 1010
from 5 to 9.
[32:26] Uh, what's the pleasure of the board?
Madam Chair, I move that we approve the
[32:30] request from the from the Boosters Hall
of Fame utilize the town hall.
[32:35] » Is there a second?
>> I'll second.
[32:39] » Any discussion?
>> So with these three requests, they they
[32:43] um is there a usage fee?
>> Yes. Well,
[32:48] no,
>> not for these ones. So when when uh when
[32:55] anyone uses the town hall after hours,
do we have a custo I don't if you know
[32:59] do we have a custodian here?
>> Yes. If a custodian is needed then we
[33:03] charge the custodial fee. If they're
town departments we don't charge them
[33:08] rental.
>> Okay. So we that's why it's getting we
[33:12] don't
>> but they do pay. Okay.
[33:16] » Any other discussion? All those in
favor?
[33:19] » Oppos?
uh putting youth
[33:24] cheer. We're looking to use
uh town hall on.
[33:32] So they come after there's the high
school cheerleaders that are currently
[33:36] using the town hall auditorium for
practice
[33:40] and the youth cheer the littleer ones
come after.
[33:48] Oh, this is just for their practices cuz
I'm looking there's no date here.
[33:54] » Yeah, it's the season. This will be the
last year that the cheer has to use the
[33:58] auditorium cuz they'll move with the new
school.
[34:01] » Oh, nice.
But I mean, you know, they put,
[34:06] » you know, there's mats down and stuff
like that. Yeah.
[34:09] » And we we had two meetings with both
groups to make sure that we were all on
[34:13] the same page.
>> Okay.
[34:16] Does anybody have any other questions?
>> What's the pleasure of the board? Madam
[34:22] » chair, I move that we approve Clinton
youth cheers use of the town hall
[34:26] auditorium.
>> Is there a second?
[34:29] » Second.
>> Any discussion?
[34:33] All those in favor?
>> Opposed? Unanimous.
[34:37] We have uh requests from the um the
conservatory
[34:44] um
Oh, well, they are here.
[34:47] » Yep.
[34:53] » Well, you girls were patient. You waited
long enough, right? You were the first
[34:56] ones in the room.
If you could just give your names,
[35:00] please. I'm Connie Drexler. I'm the uh
director and Donna on the board there.
[35:06] » Oh, nice to meet you.
>> So, we are planning a we're a nonprofit
[35:10] organization uh the conservatory. Uh we
have actually a lot of students here
[35:16] from Clinton, but we actually right now
uh rehearse in Lancaster and we just
[35:22] wanted to give a Christmas concert here
on the 16th, December 16th.
[35:30] And we think we've talked to everybody
and and uh we also like to make sure
[35:37] hopefully it gets advertised because it
should be a good family concert. M
[35:41] » Mhm.
>> We've given lots of Christmas concerts
[35:44] in the past and really looking forward
to being in your beautiful hall and
[35:47] especially the acoustics are really nice
now.
[35:50] » Mhm.
>> So
[35:51] » they are.
>> Yeah.
[35:53] » It's a beautiful hall.
>> It is a beautiful hall and it's a real
[35:56] stage which is enough room because we
have it mainly we'll we'll probably have
[36:01] some solist but it will be mainly we
have a youth orchestra and we have a a a
[36:06] fiddle group. Mhm.
>> So I think a lot of people here Celtic,
[36:10] a lot of Celtic music which people love
here uh Clinton and then we have a a
[36:14] choir also.
>> Mhm.
[36:16] » And uh we can all fit in the stage I
think hopefully.
[36:19] » So you're it's on December 16th from
6:30 to 8
[36:24] » probably something like that.
>> Well that's what it says here. Um we
[36:27] » but you have a setup time right
>> set up and rehearsing. Yes.
[36:31] » Okay.
Okay.
[36:35] Uh what's the pleasure of the board?
Madam chair, I move that we approve the
[36:38] use of the town hall for the their uh
student Christmas concert and rehearsal.
[36:44] » Is there a second?
>> Second.
[36:46] » Any discussion? Just like to say it's
great that you work with the youth and
[36:51] it's great for
>> Well, we love it. And this is one of our
[36:53] students here, Abby,
>> and she's played with us for quite a few
[36:56] years now.
>> Is she going to be participating?
[36:59] » Yes, she's going to be playing.
>> Wonderful.
[37:00] » She's really good at that fiddle, so
come join us.
[37:03] » Terrific.
>> Lot of fun. Any other discussion? All
[37:07] those in favor?
>> I
[37:09] » have a wonderful night. Okay. Thank a
lot of people show up.
[37:12] » All right.
>> Thank you. Um
[37:16] » ideas of how we can advertise it cuz um
when I spoke to the custodian, they said
[37:21] she said, "Oh, people always asking
about Christmas concerts here." And uh
[37:26] so I don't know how we
>> feel free to send anything to the town
[37:31] administrator's office. Yes, we will be
happy to get that out for you.
[37:36] » We have a lot of students from Clinton
actually.
[37:38] » Wonderful.
[37:41] » Okay.
So, our next order of business is the
[37:45] second reading for the speed
stabilization.
[37:48] And this again is just a formality. We
have to do it at least three times.
[37:52] » And thank you to Phil for printing it
out.
[37:55] And uh as we all know it's in um for the
school and I think it's a great idea and
[38:04] uh with the pleasure of the board.
>> Madam Chair, I make a motion that we
[38:07] approve uh the SP stabilization fund uh
policy and wave the third reading and
[38:15] finalize it tonight. I'll
>> second that.
[38:19] » Uh just a clarification, Mr. Solicitor,
can we do that?
[38:25] Can we forgo the third reading?
[38:32] » It it is a general school committee
policy for developing policy, but it's
[38:38] not a burden on it's not a requirement
of a board of selection.
[38:44] » I love this,
>> right? We can we can wave this board's
[38:49] need to have a third reading. school
committee rule that we're
[38:52] » they they already voted twice. They did
theirs two readings. Sorry.
[38:56] » Um and then typically it's three, but to
Mr. Conny's point
[39:04] » requirement by this board for adopting
policy,
[39:06] » right?
>> So,
[39:09] » okay.
>> They can still wait.
[39:13] » They can do exactly your way.
>> They'll be thrilled for it over and over
[39:18] again. I'm I'm okay with that uh bill if
if you uh
[39:22] » Well, that's the motion.
>> That's your motion. Is there a second?
[39:25] » Second.
>> Any discussion?
[39:28] » All those in favor?
>> I
[39:31] » opposed. It's unanimous.
>> Steve will be thrilled.
[39:34] » Um the next um
item is the Strand Marquee bid award. Uh
[39:43] to award or not?
[39:48] Madam Chair, members of the board on
background, uh the town received a
[39:53] $100,000 ARPA grant from the state for
the Strand Marquee. Um after the uh
[40:01] termination of lease with the prior
lease holder at the Strand, um a revised
[40:06] invitation to bid was submitted was uh
released in July. bids came back on
[40:11] August 5th and the lowest qualified bid
uh is for $140,292
[40:18] in excess of the grant, the state ARPA
grant. Um
[40:25] it uh last Thursday the strand
subcommittee met um part of the the
[40:30] meetings materials were a proposed
amendment to the strand agreement um
[40:34] that would um change the um
percentage of contribution by the um the
[40:42] other party in the agreement Mr. Mr.
merit um and also proposed to utilize
[40:47] $70,000 of town ARPA funds for the M
marquee project. That um proposal was
[40:54] not viewed favorably at the strand
committee meeting. Um and so it would be
[41:00] to this it would be up to this board to
um
[41:05] to make a determination as to whether
they wish to utilize
[41:09] um strand funds town ARP funds for the
marquee. Um if not then we don't have
[41:16] committed funds and cannot proceed.
>> What's the pleasure of the board?
[41:24] » I move not to use the to just man I And
I wasn't on the board at the time that I
[41:29] appreciate all the effort that went into
to but the plan and the hope of keeping
[41:34] this historic building around, but it
just for a number of factors and I won't
[41:39] bore everybody. It just it just didn't
go through. It didn't happen. And and to
[41:43] just put a marquee up with with nothing
behind it, it would just it just
[41:48] you know, even though you can say it's
grant money as our money, it's still tax
[41:51] money. It's a waste in my opinion. It's
just end up being a waste of money when
[41:54] you're not going to have anything marque
that says but and so yeah I appreciate
[41:58] but I my motion is not to not to expend
the money.
[42:02] » Is there a second?
>> Madam chair for purposes of discussion I
[42:05] second the motion. Um
>> open for discussion
[42:09] » for discussion. I uh
[42:14] is it clear that we could do this if we
so choose. We can reallocate
[42:20] the ARPA money to use
for something that was not part of the
[42:25] original strand.
>> I I think it could be construed in the
[42:28] language of the agreement that this
would be consistent with the agreement.
[42:32] It was for improvements to uh for use of
the facility as a theater performance
[42:36] venue and mares are uniquely associated
with that that activity. Um really the
[42:42] question the purpose of the amendment
that was proposed was to change the um
[42:47] proportion that was the owner's
contribution to the project. the owner
[42:50] is not in position to
>> where did that concept come from the
[42:54] reducing the owner's contribution.
>> It came through discussions with the
[42:58] owner with the committee um and with
staff on how we might somehow be able to
[43:02] salvage this uh salvage use of some of
these funds for for the for the project.
[43:08] Um and so then you're bringing that
proposal to this.
[43:14] Madam Chair, I'm I'm concerned with the
idea of I don't see how you could
[43:18] execute this in time to
>> my most recent conversation with the
[43:23] contractor. They indicated that they
could. However, the cover project is
[43:27] showing us there's always the risk of
something coming up. So, but but they
[43:30] they were they indicated that they could
get if if we started this week that they
[43:35] should they they said they almost
certainly can get it done by the end of
[43:38] the year.
[43:43] » Is there a from the feedback from the
committee um
[43:49] this is a big expense for someone who
might want to lease it? Do they feel
[43:54] like that is beneficial to a future
lease?
[43:58] um
>> improvement to to it. And I guess the
[44:03] second part of that is
>> we don't use it. We it's not like
[44:07] » that was asserted that that was asserted
but I I don't recall there being much
[44:11] conversation on that point. Okay. Either
way, is that is that a fair
[44:14] characterization?
>> I couldn't what what Julie just said
[44:18] that was there any discussion about
whether this would be a potential
[44:21] benefit to some future user?
>> Well, not if we don't know what's going
[44:25] in there. you know, the marquee could
say, you know, condos for sale, you
[44:29] know, I mean, and there's nothing and we
as we I only attended that one meeting,
[44:33] but you know, even if you put this this
marquee out there and even if you
[44:36] invested that other 300,000, it's still
not leasable. It's not the way it is.
[44:41] And and that's kind of where I'm at is
you I hate to say we're giving the money
[44:45] back, but you just pour it in there and
the the owner is only now we're going to
[44:49] put up what 30% so 30 grand and then we
put all this money into his building and
[44:54] then what it just again I I I don't
fault the effort. It just it just to me
[44:58] didn't
>> Well, just to go forward too, I mean
[45:02] with the discussion from the other night
>> was it was quite evident uh to the
[45:06] committee um and we did have a
contractor on the committee that let's
[45:11] just say that we took
75,000 from the AR money to put new
[45:18] handicap
uh restrooms in and
[45:23] the question was posed directly to him.
Um, obviously you'd have to get specs.
[45:29] You'd have to go out to bid. Could that
work be completed and the the time
[45:35] allowed? And quite frankly, he said no.
So
[45:41] the other money that you would be
investing, I think the only thing we
[45:44] agreed to was the engineering uh costs
that were $32,500.
[45:51] Okay. Get the the code and things like
that. I know I have it somewhere, but um
[45:59] I don't think there was a real appetite
for
[46:04] uh as as Brendan said, the marquee uh
because we knew that there was very
[46:11] little if nothing that was going to be
done on the inside.
[46:16] So, um, I have to say, and I said it the
other night, I am have no intention of
[46:23] putting $70,000 into the marquee because
I just don't see that anything else is
[46:28] coming. And I don't think it's going to
come for a long time, if it comes at
[46:32] all. Um, I mean, that building has been
put up for lease for years. The owner
[46:40] had no appetite to sell the building.
Um, that was always a difficult cell in
[46:48] the first place because it needed a
substantial amount of work and
[46:55] I don't know of anyone that's going to
put a million plus into something they
[47:00] don't own.
And um,
[47:04] if you own the building, of course,
you've got you've got something that you
[47:09] own and you can make nice. And there's a
lot to that building, not just the
[47:14] theater. So, um, and I I I know I
expressed it to the owner that, you
[47:20] know, he had a lot of time to think
about selling that building. I know he
[47:26] was encouraged by the real estate
company to sell it very early on as
[47:32] opposed to continue to try to lease it.
And I think it showed over the last four
[47:38] years that it was a difficult sell
and uh people weren't knocking down the
[47:45] doors to come and lease that place. I
think it's a shame, but um he's the
[47:51] owner and that's the decision he made.
But to get down to the 11th hour and
[47:58] change the whole concept of what the
town had agreed upon in the beginning,
[48:03] um I'm just not comfortable with it. So
that's and I know people um you know, a
[48:11] lot of people said to me, "Oh, I I want
it to be a movie theater." uh you know
[48:16] but I mean even the people who had the
gentleman who had leased it they had
[48:21] very little intention of making it a
movie theater again they were going to
[48:26] do other venues and that in itself would
have been a huge disappointment to the
[48:31] Clinton people.
I know that. And um the second
[48:37] individual uh that was only in the last
month, he also was not interested in the
[48:43] movies. So um but go ahead. No, no. I
just wanted you mentioned like it was
[48:50] like kind of like a hard sell, but um
>> I think to your point of like it was a
[48:57] hard sell for people who want to lease,
>> you know, like I think
[49:02] » probably I don't want to speak for
anyone, but just wanted to clarify that
[49:05] point. You know, I think a lot of people
like you said encouraged the sale
[49:09] because I I think every single person
that showed interest was concerned. I
[49:17] always tell people when they ask me
about it, it's like renting a home and
[49:21] renovating the kitchen and then not
owning it. Like, it's just a really
[49:27] » difficult thing for people to want to
invest in. And I guess it's tough with
[49:34] the marquee because
for me because a lot of people have and
[49:39] consultants that have come in even with
the downtown renovation
[49:43] uh revitalization
um have said like that's kind of the
[49:47] keystone of it. Um, and
there's something to be said about like
[49:54] curb appeal for attracting other
businesses to Clinton, you know, when
[50:01] there's not kind of a rundown vacant
movie theater. Um, it's a real it's a
[50:07] real tough tough choice to make because
you got vacant property. You know, I
[50:10] guess it's like I I'm struggling with
this a bit because
[50:15] I don't want to generalize, but in my
years on the board, you kind of hear
[50:20] like the owner, you know,
are do we have like motivated owners who
[50:27] own property on this street to maintain
or to find people that will kind of like
[50:35] help bring new businesses to the town to
help kind of, you you know, broaden the
[50:41] tax base and, you know, bring more
people to or be a good location for the
[50:47] people who live in in Clinton. So, I'm
struggling a bit with kind of like the
[50:51] landlords on High Street
and their kind of care of their property
[50:57] as it pertains to the Clinton community
and the whole
[51:01] struggling with
>> I moved to town more than a quarter
[51:04] century ago and a quarter century ago
there was a lot of deferred maintenance
[51:07] both public and private. Um and over the
last 25 years, we've seen a lot of
[51:12] investment on both sides. Um but yeah,
there's still there's still pockets of
[51:17] um insufficient
>> Yeah.
[51:20] » uh care.
>> Yeah. And and I didn't mean to disparage
[51:24] people who have put investment into
>> Oh, no. I didn't take it down.
[51:29] » Yeah. cuz I you know we can certainly
appreciate it but like you you know I
[51:33] walk my dog down there every night and
it's just hard to see those stay vacant
[51:37] for 10 plus years because I'm sure they
need maintenance. They're not ready to
[51:42] to bring new business and it's don't
think it will help with
[51:49] marquee being
Yeah.
[51:52] I also don't think spending money on a
entity that is
[51:59] really hard to see the future of that
and I'm okay with it not being movie
[52:03] theater. I think movies are really a
real risky business. It's hard to make
[52:08] money doing that. I can I can see why
they want to diversify their offering
[52:13] there or the people who are leasing it
because I think that is in my research
[52:18] what other movie theaters have done to
try to make sure they stay in business
[52:23] you know I mean I'm sure the people if
you can make money off of movie theaters
[52:28] someone else might have you know swooped
in and and uh taken over that lease but
[52:33] and we all know from the former owners
how much of a challenge that is so I
[52:37] don't want to put on our nostalgia
glasses and say it's going to all be
[52:41] movie theaters forever, but you know, I
applaud them for like trying to rethink
[52:45] it, but right now it's hard to see that
future.
[52:51] » The only thing I can offer for your
consideration and with the decision
[52:53] obviously is the decision of the board.
Um whe you know, this is an opportunity
[52:59] to stabilize a prominent visual landmark
in our downtown. Um, you know, it's not
[53:07] typical that that is publicly funded.
Um, not certainly in communities of our
[53:11] size. If you're city of Worcester or
Providence or something like that, you
[53:15] maybe you have other funding sources.
This is an opportunity to do that. Um,
[53:20] and if we choose not to, we choose not
to. Um, and if we choose to move
[53:24] forward, we are under a very tight
timeline. But, uh, that's the only other
[53:30] nugget of consideration.
Madam Chair, if any um uh
[53:38] if the owner of the property were
willing to stand by the original
[53:42] agreement that was with the prospective
tenants of 50% investment in his own
[53:49] property,
>> y
[53:51] » I would be more inclined to support
going forward with this this proposal.
[53:55] » Okay. But if he doesn't even have the
faith in in uh revitalizing the
[54:01] property, even though it's not a burden
on the Clinton residential taxpayers,
[54:06] it's our money and I don't think we
should be investing it in a private
[54:11] enterprise that we have no idea of
what's going to happen there. uh if if
[54:18] he were inclined to to be a 50 50%
contributor,
[54:24] I'd be more inclined to see the town uh
use this money rather than give it back
[54:29] to the state. Um
>> if that's if that were the case, I don't
[54:33] I can't speak for on his behalf tonight
and we'd also have to revisit the
[54:38] amendment to make sure that that was
that that it worked that way. That
[54:42] wasn't the the amendment that was
drafted up.
[54:45] » Right. I understand that. But it
indicates to me a lack of commitment by
[54:48] the property owner to the future. I
believe that the strand whether it gets
[54:53] used for movies or entertainment or cod
comedy or any of those types of
[54:58] activities I've seen in facilities just
like this in a number of towns in New
[55:04] England. Um
I think it's a cornerstone. It's a
[55:08] critical part of keeping downtown
moving forward and not backwards.
[55:15] But I don't see the commitment from the
property owner or an inclination to I
[55:22] mean he's kick kissing off whatever
amount of money we would have uh
[55:26] contributed if he would put in the same
amount.
[55:29] » Yeah. So if I understand you the the
50/50 was for the town ARPA. So if I'm
[55:36] asking for 70 $70,000 from town ARPA
>> for this in contingency, it would have
[55:41] to be $35,000 from the AR,
>> right?
[55:45] » Okay.
>> Um
[55:48] » well,
>> just for me to be inclined to consider
[55:50] it that it's also the timeline, Phil,
>> I know this
[55:53] » there is is I don't know who's saying
this could be done by what is it
[55:57] December?
>> No, November 30th. It has
[56:00] » November 30th. The work has to be
complete. No, it has to be built by it
[56:03] has to be built by December 31st.
>> Has to be
[56:06] » What's the November 30th date?
>> That that's in the original agreement so
[56:10] that we'd have time to do all our
bookkeeping at the end. We didn't think
[56:14] we'd be in a situation,
>> right?
[56:16] » And and these are public bids.
>> We already have these
[56:22] » for the bathroom.
>> Just for the mar
[56:27] the 192,000 is
>> that was just a breakdown that they did.
[56:31] Um,
>> oh, that would that that's that's a
[56:34] placeholder um uh possible use of funds
roster that we worked up. That's not
[56:41] those are just estimates. And I think we
realize that absent of the repair of the
[56:46] stage 4, the time and and possibly any
changes to egress with new egress doors
[56:52] that there's not there's not time to
build a platform.
[56:54] » Um,
>> so so what we're really talking about is
[56:57] just the marquee.
>> Yes. And the town's going to put
[57:00] $170,000.
>> No, the town The town will put $70,000
[57:04] of the ARPA funds.
>> Yes. But there's also a a grant that the
[57:08] town has control over.
>> Yes. So that that's
[57:11] » So the town's going to invest $170,000.
>> Yes. 100,000 of which cannot be used in
[57:17] any other way.
>> Understood. But it's still a a
[57:21] commitment that the town is making on a
piece of a privately owned piece of
[57:25] property that has lackluster support
from its own property owner and he's
[57:32] going to contribute
$7,000.
[57:36] » If I did your math correctly, um
yeah, that's what would have been
[57:40] proposed. But if if it was to be 50%,
it' be 35,000.
[57:44] » But it was only 10%.
>> Okay.
[57:47] » 10% of the 70,000.
Yes.
[57:50] » Okay. So, um I'm going to shut off
discussion. So, um there's been a
[57:56] motion, a second. What's the uh pleasure
of the board? All those in favor just
[58:03] the motion was to not spend money.
>> I'm sorry.
[58:05] » My motion was to not spend money.
>> Right. Not spend money.
[58:08] » I just want to keep talking for a
second. I just want to make sure. Yeah.
[58:12] Um, just to clarify for people out
there, the motion on the floor is to not
[58:19] spend uh use $7,000 from the ARPA funds.
>> All those in favor?
[58:25] » I all those in favor of not using the
ARPA money,
[58:30] » not any of it, right? 170,000.
>> Like in other words, we're not it's
[58:35] whether I don't whether it comes out of
the ARPA funds or out the other 100,000
[58:38] basically to not go through with the
project. Okay. All those in favor
[58:43] » I
>> opposed I nay. So it's three to one.
[58:50] » Okay. Thank you.
M just clarification. Um Phil, if you
[58:56] just hang on one second. So do we have
now that there's a change but we did
[59:00] talk about the the ARPA funds to be used
for the engineering and code and all
[59:04] that. Do we have to rewrite the
agreement and then vote on that? Because
[59:08] the agreement is written for the whole
project, right? So yeah, but the the
[59:12] architecture and engineering fees, it
was code analysis and distant
[59:14] conditions. That in itself only added
up, I think, to $13,000.
[59:18] » So that that's the amount we're talking
about using from our
[59:21] » I thought it was the total. It wasn't
engineering. It was just like on the
[59:24] sheet here added up to 325.
>> Sure. But that was for an allocart um
[59:29] menu of architectural services including
schematic design, design development. We
[59:33] won't be doing any of that. We're just
doing existing conditions and a code
[59:36] analys. So, do we have to drop an
agreement a different agreement and vote
[59:39] on to to authorize the town to to
>> Well, go ahead. We'll have a
[59:44] conversation with the owner 50% then it'
be 6,500.
[59:48] » You if if that's not if that's not a
problem at that at that point, I don't
[59:52] even care.
We can't agree in 6500. Um, but if it
[59:57] were to be the that we would pay he
would pay 1300 and we would pay 11,700
[1:00:04] that amend that amendment to the
agreement would have to come before you
[1:00:07] at your next meeting.
>> Okay, that's that's Thank you.
[1:00:12] » Thanks Ben.
>> Thanks.
[1:00:15] » Okay. And then um they had the do not
block on M Street and um I had a request
[1:00:23] that we just delay that because of now
the um all the construction that's going
[1:00:29] on up in that area just to delay it for
to our next meeting.
[1:00:34] » Okay.
And um
[1:00:40] she
[1:00:43] Okay. This is the um
the gas storage tank license temporary
[1:00:51] heating
that middle school project. Can you talk
[1:00:55] on this bill?
>> I'm not
[1:00:58] » not quite sure, Madam Chair.
>> They have a temporary storage of um
[1:01:04] propane outside of the middle school. I
think it's 100 gallons. Um
[1:01:09] we we voted on it in November last year.
it comes up as expiring again in
[1:01:15] November. So, we just want to extend it
for the life of
[1:01:19] » Okay. So, that's okay.
>> So, move now.
[1:01:24] » Is there a second?
>> Second.
[1:01:27] » Good thing you're here, Jula.
>> Is there any discussion? All those in
[1:01:32] favor? I
>> oppose. It's unanimous. Ah, you're
[1:01:37] wrong, Karen.
>> I am. Um
[1:01:45] so um Mr. Bailey you will be happy to
know my computer is dead so my extensive
[1:01:51] report out I just had to recreate
>> in handwriting mode which will make it
[1:01:57] much shorter. Um so good evening
everyone. Um just some updates for the
[1:02:03] board. Uh we had our first department
head meeting. I think that was a couple
[1:02:07] of weeks ago. Um it was long. It was 90
minutes but it was a great first um
[1:02:14] department head meeting um since I
started here in July. Great exchange of
[1:02:19] ideas. Um I did um
I it came out that there's some training
[1:02:26] that um some of the department heads or
their um support staff need on um the
[1:02:33] foyer system um as well as civic floss
apparently. Um, there was some training,
[1:02:40] I don't know when, maybe a number of
years ago on how department heads could
[1:02:46] add information or update information on
their individual department pages. Um,
[1:02:52] there's some new staff, there's people
that don't remember it. So, I'm working
[1:02:55] on scheduling a training for Civic Plus
um to come out and work with folks on
[1:03:01] how to do that and also um an online
training for the Freedom of Information
[1:03:06] Act. Um, so those are two things we
identified right away that um we could
[1:03:11] use some training on. So I'm going to
organize that. Um, also our new
[1:03:16] assistant town administrator, Nicole
Valentine, will be starting here in
[1:03:19] Clinton on September 28th. Um, that will
coincide with our second department head
[1:03:24] meeting. So um, just going to get it
right in there and meet everybody. I
[1:03:30] think it's a great opportunity. Um, so
we're excited to have Nicole join us.
[1:03:35] Um, also the Clinton Fire Department and
Police Department are putting together a
[1:03:40] 911 um 25th anniversary memorial
ceremony event which is going to be on
[1:03:46] 911 which is Friday um starting at 8:30
in Central Park. And we really hope that
[1:03:53] um the community comes out. I've asked
um staff to take a few minutes and go
[1:03:57] out there. Um so there'll be some
remarks and a wreath um that will be
[1:04:02] laid in the park. So, um, just wanted to
thank PJ and and members of Clinton Fire
[1:04:08] and the police department for putting
this very special, um, program together.
[1:04:14] Um, also just wanted to mention, um, I
did ask Phil if he would put together a
[1:04:21] dashboard or a crosswalk of his projects
because they're numerous. Um, so that
[1:04:28] when I have questions or if the board
has questions on the status of different
[1:04:33] projects, um, I've asked him to update
that quarterly, it is in your
[1:04:37] SharePoint. Um, just take a look at it
when you have time. If there's any
[1:04:41] specific questions, I'm certainly happy
to follow up. Um, we can have him come
[1:04:45] to a different meeting and step people
through it or if there's any details
[1:04:49] that you want, but I at least want to
sort of track um, because there's so
[1:04:53] much that he's working on and it's
getting a little confusing. So, I
[1:04:56] figured that would be a helpful tool to
me that might be helpful to the board as
[1:05:00] well.
Um, I also wanted to let you know that
[1:05:05] um I've been attending
um these group meetings. Um it's now
[1:05:12] morphed into the Wuset Watershed
Coalition, which is kind of a take and
[1:05:17] spin off of um the Quabin Watershed
Coalition. Um essentially
[1:05:24] um actually Mr. Ward reached out to me
from West Boilston. um he and some other
[1:05:28] folks from uh town administrators and
town managers from all the communities
[1:05:33] that touch the uh Wuset Reservoir are
coming together um to talk about how
[1:05:40] Quabin um is putting has put together um
their watershed coalition to really talk
[1:05:47] to Governor Healey and others about
creating some parody on what people are
[1:05:53] getting for pilots um for being the
stewards of the land that's owned by the
[1:05:58] state in our communities. Um so I've
been listening on on that. Um there was
[1:06:05] a um
so Governor Healey actually um has some
[1:06:12] listen listening sessions that are
happening this month. Um there's going
[1:06:16] to actually be one in Sterling. I think
there's one in Orange. There's going to
[1:06:20] be a couple that will be online. um
myself and David Baird are going to um
[1:06:26] attend and listen in but essentially the
governor established a commission on
[1:06:31] pilot for stateowned land and hence the
listening sessions across the state. Um
[1:06:39] these are going to actually be hosted by
DLS and
[1:06:44] essentially um some of the members of
this new watershed coalition of Wuset
[1:06:51] um wrote a letter to the governor to say
we love that you're in support of Quabin
[1:06:57] and that you're doing these listening
sessions but could you kind of expand
[1:07:00] your scope um and include you know Wuset
as well um that we have the same issues
[1:07:08] that Quapen does. Um, you know, due to
the scale of the Door, sorry, DCR
[1:07:15] ownership of town land, this has an
impact on our communities. Um, new
[1:07:20] growth, revenue, um, current pilot
funding formulas and local costs
[1:07:24] associated with stewarding that land are
all over the place in different
[1:07:28] communities. So essentially just wanted
to bring it to your attention that we
[1:07:32] are trying as a collaborative to
sort of wave a flag to Governor Healey
[1:07:38] and say we're interested just like
Quabin. Um can you make sure that you're
[1:07:43] considering us when you're doing these
pilot um sessions across the state and
[1:07:47] to just get it on the state's radar that
we also would like to get some more
[1:07:52] funding um for being such good stewards
um of of the reservoir. So, I just
[1:07:58] wanted to let you know that I'm
participating. Um, like I said, myself
[1:08:02] and David Baird will be um listening to
these listening sessions and
[1:08:08] participating and talking about what our
experience has been. And hopefully we
[1:08:12] can make some headway and make some
noise and and try to get the attention
[1:08:16] at the state that we can get some relief
here in town.
[1:08:21] And that is all I have this evening.
You can clap.
[1:08:30] » You're smiling.
>> That's wonderful because these guys want
[1:08:33] to get home to watch the Patriots.
>> As do I. Mary Rose, I have to tell you.
[1:08:38] I like my football and chicken wings,
too.
[1:08:41] » I know. That's what the TV was for.
>> Oh, yeah. That's why we're building the
[1:08:45] TV. We put the
>> I know.
[1:08:49] » Um listen, uh we haven't had um
the individual come back or he hasn't
[1:08:58] showed up for his um
>> delivery license.
[1:09:04] Taxi. Was it a taxi license?
>> Yeah, a taxi license.
[1:09:11] Um,
does the board want to go forward with
[1:09:15] it because he has been cleared by the
chief
[1:09:19] vehicle and
it's a Subaru.
[1:09:26] » He said the chief said it was in good
condition.
[1:09:34] » Is this a new or just a renewal? It's a
new No, it's a new one. Yeah, just Yep.
[1:09:41] I think we only have
>> Yeah, I saw it. I just um Sorry, I just
[1:09:45] didn't want to bring it up.
>> Oh,
[1:09:50] » I think there's only one or two other
>> other delivery. Yeah, I was going to say
[1:09:54] I know I know the one we renew
everywhere.
[1:09:58] » Madam Chair, where it's been signed off
by the uh chief, I'd be inclined to move
[1:10:06] forward with the granting the license.
So, that's a motion. Okay. Is there a
[1:10:10] second?
>> Second it.
[1:10:13] » Any discussion?
[1:10:16] » All those in favor?
>> I opposed unanimous.
[1:10:23] » So then we have um traffic committee
recommendations. Um the board met on the
[1:10:31] I think Lisa is going to
>> Yeah, perfect timing. come up and um
[1:10:37] what what uh Lisa did for us at the
meeting which was phenomenal and she's
[1:10:41] agreed to uh do it for us in the meeting
so people can basically see what we're
[1:10:47] talking about and the board of selectman
can see it.
[1:10:51] Um
[1:11:08] Just for everybody know, Lisa Profett
works at the DPW department,
[1:11:14] long-term employee. So, um she pretty
much pretty much knows every street in
[1:11:20] the town of Clinton. So, uh so the first
uh agenda item that we addressed was uh
[1:11:27] no parking on Allen Street. And that
would be from um
[1:11:34] Stone Street to Main Street, High
Street, excuse me. Um
[1:11:43] and this has been before the board uh
several times. Again, the the committee
[1:11:49] um unanimously, the fire chief, police
chief, DPW, superintendent
[1:11:56] um unanimously uh are in favor of doing
it.
[1:12:01] » I think it was from this from this
corner to high
[1:12:05] » I right. Yeah, the high. So, it's stone.
So,
[1:12:12] what's the pleasure of the board?
Madam Chair, I move we approve the
[1:12:16] recommendation of the traffic committee.
Is there
[1:12:20] » parking on that side of Allen Street?
>> A second.
[1:12:23] » Any discussion?
>> Yeah, I have a a question. So, um this
[1:12:27] is just cuz we don't want people parking
on the street.
[1:12:31] » Correct. And right there, they don't
even have any frontage. They aren't even
[1:12:36] supposed to be parked there. Those cars,
there's no
[1:12:39] » typically. So, no frontage equals no
parking.
[1:12:43] » Correct.
on any across there they have frontage
[1:12:48] so they're not in violation of anything
these people there there's absolutely no
[1:12:53] frontage there you know and then you go
down further
[1:12:59] » I guess what I'm trying to say is
is this like
[1:13:05] what we're going to institute like
throughout Clinton
[1:13:09] » no just
street yeah this street I mean versus
[1:13:13] like any other.
>> Yeah. I mean, this is where there's
[1:13:15] issues and problems that exist.
>> And at a meeting, we had two residents,
[1:13:21] the resident in that house and the
person across the street
[1:13:26] who the gentleman across the street has
had even noted that uh he's had times
[1:13:31] where there's been flatbeds and that he
can't even get out of his driveway.
[1:13:35] So,
>> and what has the owner said?
[1:13:37] » I'm sorry.
>> And what has the owner said?
[1:13:41] I don't think they've gotten any kind of
response,
[1:13:44] » but we have contacted them and said we
are going to make
[1:13:47] » building inspector has been down there
many times. The police
[1:13:49] » I'm just trying to find a history here.
>> The police chief has been down like this
[1:13:55] cuz I mean parking feels like an issue,
a hot bed issue like all over Clinton.
[1:14:01] » Well, this issue
complain.
[1:14:04] » Yeah. I mean, I think it was an issue
when you were on the traffic committee.
[1:14:08] Yeah.
>> Kind of like undecided.
[1:14:10] » Yeah. So,
>> any other questions?
[1:14:13] » Yeah. I got to be honest with you,
Julie. I want I'm kind of I'm saying the
[1:14:16] same thing you are. My and I'm okay with
the no parking, but my my and I know
[1:14:19] this is not for the traffic committee,
but this building particular, the cars
[1:14:24] are out on the road, and I don't know
how many cars they're they're permits
[1:14:27] for, but it seems that they put cars on
the road cuz they're probably over on
[1:14:30] the cars that should be there. And I
don't know who enforces that. I I really
[1:14:34] don't. But, you know, it is a problem
because, you know, like say the
[1:14:37] residents are coming because they're
parking all out in the road.
[1:14:41] I I think it's two things. I think one
I'm okay with putting the no parking up,
[1:14:44] but I'm also think there's going to be
some enforcement as to the number of
[1:14:47] cars they can have cuz if they got so
many cars they can't even put them on
[1:14:50] their own lot, then there is a problem.
>> Yeah, that's what you're going to take
[1:14:54] up on the uh traffic.
>> Yeah, I guess I I guess I know who's
[1:14:58] going to do that. Okay.
>> I guess that's what I'm trying to say to
[1:15:02] you. like if a couple people complain
and just like so where
[1:15:08] » but it is a mess. It's I I don't
>> It's not not only that, just the lot
[1:15:12] itself, but many times when you go on by
there, there's flatbeds, stops the
[1:15:17] traffic. I mean, it's and you know, I
mean, it's it's not a good situation
[1:15:21] down there, and it hasn't been. And
again, um I think when the our public
[1:15:26] safety people are are saying that, you
know, they're a little frustrated
[1:15:30] because they've been requesting for
these uh no parking signs for quite a
[1:15:35] while. Um, I think it's kind of our
obligation to uh to help them out with
[1:15:42] this situation. And so I guess the only
reason I would vote against this was
[1:15:47] because it just feels isolated to this
one particular spot versus like a
[1:15:53] overall
>> approach to
[1:15:59] parking issues in
vote the same way I
[1:16:02] » Well, no, I just I disagree with you
because I think this is why we have a
[1:16:06] list of all these different issues that
came before the traffic committee and
[1:16:10] you know, we're trying to um um trying
to solve them and and you know that was
[1:16:16] the the ultimate goal and and these are
the requests that we're bringing back to
[1:16:20] the board to select them.
>> So I guess for them to act on parks in
[1:16:23] front of my house just
[1:16:28] it's a public road. It's a public spot.
I've complained to the traffic committee
[1:16:35] where I get like a no parking.
>> Well, I think that's I mean people park
[1:16:39] in front of people's houses, Julie. I
mean, this is uh four businesses that
[1:16:44] are going on in this one establishment
here and I obviously
[1:16:49] um there's cars there all the time and
and you know it's
[1:16:54] » that illegal.
>> Yeah,
[1:16:56] » Madam Chair, I'm a year ago or plus or
minus when this came forward once before
[1:17:04] I was saying exactly what you're saying,
Julie. Uh, I was concerned about the
[1:17:08] idea that we were focusing on one street
and one problem. We have the same
[1:17:14] problem all over town. We had it down on
uh Green Street. We had it on I can't
[1:17:20] think of the name of the street up by
the car wash uh the side street there.
[1:17:24] » Roma.
>> Roma. Uh,
[1:17:27] » thank you. we've got this problem and we
and I was opposed to the idea of just
[1:17:32] taking this one because um we heard more
about it than any of the other problem
[1:17:38] areas. But I travel that street two or
three times a day. My property is across
[1:17:44] across High Street from Allen Street and
uh this is not this picture is showing
[1:17:52] nothing. That parking lot in front of
the blue building is packed. the the
[1:17:57] cars on top of each other. I don't know
how they satisfy the requirements that
[1:18:02] Mr. Bailey's going to fix for us. Um,
but it's packed and the street it's a
[1:18:07] main thoroughare. It's not a side
street. It's not primarily a residential
[1:18:12] street and there's a lot of traffic on
it and it's very congested down there.
[1:18:16] there. This is showing a couple of cars
half half off the pavement, half on, but
[1:18:22] many times I go down and the the street
is it one whole side of the street is
[1:18:27] blocked by cars all over the place down
there. So, um
[1:18:31] » So, should this be a licensing issue?
>> It it can be it can be modified by the
[1:18:38] subcommittee Mr. Bailey's working
diligently on to solve all these
[1:18:41] problems, but it's it's more than that.
It's it's commercial property and
[1:18:47] residential property and it's a busy
street and it's very congested. I drive
[1:18:52] trucks down that street and it's it's it
is
[1:18:57] it's burdensome on not just the
residents and not just the uh people on
[1:19:02] the street. It's that's a primary street
going back and forth from main to high.
[1:19:07] Um,
so I'd be supportive and certainly open
[1:19:12] to reconsider if it turns up and makes
other problems like they just turn
[1:19:15] around a park on the other side of the
street, but um
[1:19:19] » I mean
get around rules and that's why that's a
[1:19:24] point I'm trying to make.
>> Okay, so
[1:19:26] » be surprised if that happens.
>> Okay, so just to keep it going, um
[1:19:30] there's a motion on the floor. There's a
second. Uh any other discussion? All
[1:19:35] those in favor? I
>> I opposed.
[1:19:40] » Ready?
>> Oh, I thought I voted. Yeah.
[1:19:42] » Oh, yeah. I'm good.
>> Right in here. Okay. 3 to one. Motion
[1:19:45] carries. Um
uh the next thing was um we had some
[1:19:51] concerns for on Burland Road.
>> Um
[1:19:55] » Nelson.
>> Oh, I'm sorry.
[1:19:58] » Nelson was taken care of.
>> Okay.
[1:20:00] » Yeah. They just didn't finish that
because of the construction. So, that
[1:20:03] should be done from
>> Right. Sand knows what to mean,
[1:20:07] » right? Sand Court was taken care of.
>> So, the next one would be um we had some
[1:20:12] a concern, the chief had a concern from
um a resident on Merlin Road, but uh you
[1:20:20] know, he assured us that uh he does
patrols. He has cruisers there and um
[1:20:27] the speed limit is posted. It's 30 m an
hour and uh we will he said he will
[1:20:34] continue to uh to do his due diligence
and make sure that they have the um
[1:20:40] cruisers up there and and uh make sure
we keep the traffic under control.
[1:20:45] » Sorry,
>> it's a difficult situation.
[1:20:47] » Speed. What's the traffic?
>> Speed. It was speed concern or traffic
[1:20:52] speed. Yep.
[1:20:55] And um then we have our next item was uh
railroad railroad safety council uh info
[1:21:04] for Sterling Street crossing. Now we
tried unsuccessfully to get the railroad
[1:21:09] to put the um
uh
[1:21:13] » the gate or
>> the gates, but the railroad said it's
[1:21:17] too expensive. So, if we wanted to do
it, they were saying the town would have
[1:21:22] to foot the bill for it. So, um the
superintendent has ordered all new
[1:21:28] signage uh to alert people. As you can
see, there's really not much there right
[1:21:33] now. So, um I think we should continue
to I think go after the railroad. And
[1:21:43] um
we all know that trains at certain times
[1:21:47] come through that particular area and
they're moving pretty quick.
[1:21:52] » They a couple of years ago when they
started the upgrade on on the tracks and
[1:21:58] the bridges. Uh I stopped and spoke to
one of the heads of construction right
[1:22:03] down there over on that side. There was
a bridge they raised. Um and he said the
[1:22:09] reason they were investing that kind of
money and what they were doing was
[1:22:12] because they need they want to uh
increase the height of the trains going
[1:22:19] through the frequency of the trains and
the speed of the trains. He was crystal
[1:22:24] clear that that bridge right there. See
how they raised it all up.
[1:22:27] » Sure.
>> That's a huge investment on the railroad
[1:22:30] track. And it's also that they can move
the trains faster and bigger uh right
[1:22:36] through town. And he was crystal clear
that
[1:22:39] » um and I believe in the last couple of
years we've had two or three uh serious
[1:22:46] accidents right at that crossing. And in
my experience as a kid growing up and
[1:22:50] down, I don't recall there ever being
other ones.
[1:22:53] » Sure.
>> Only since the upgrade and the speed and
[1:22:56] the size of the trains. So, I don't know
how we can
[1:23:02] pressure the the railroad uh to put
a better traffic controls down there,
[1:23:09] but even just a letter from council. I
know the rail roads are independent,
[1:23:14] autonomous.
>> We we wrote we I wrote a letter, you
[1:23:18] know, after most recent accidents.
>> That's that's when they came pushed with
[1:23:23] the gays asking to get back together
with the gays.
[1:23:28] They're their house as much. They don't
need a gate there. Not withstand the
[1:23:31] accident. We even run the higher speeds
through there, but they they block.
[1:23:36] » So, we have to wait till someone dies
>> that
[1:23:39] » this is a rare it's difficult to
>> do. We have any idea what the cost would
[1:23:46] be?
>> I feel
[1:23:49] we could find out.
>> Yeah. I mean, I just, you know, is there
[1:23:54] any way that we could say to them, we
don't want you going through this town
[1:23:57] at those kinds of speeds?
>> No.
[1:23:59] » Good luck with that.
>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So, we're
[1:24:02] caught between a rock and a hard place.
>> So, to your point, I think to your
[1:24:08] point, I think we we can at least look
into what the cost would be. I mean,
[1:24:11] » yeah,
>> I get it. if they don't want to pay for
[1:24:13] it, you know, like you said, you do we
wait, you know, just I don't know what
[1:24:16] it's going to cost, but if it's,
>> you know, we've we spent money on other
[1:24:19] things and if it's going to save a life
in in this case, you just wait and I
[1:24:22] again maybe it's is and I don't know if
we also put it in, do we get caught for
[1:24:25] the maintenance every year? It may be
just too much, but
[1:24:28] » looking at least what it cost probably
wouldn't wouldn't be.
[1:24:31] » But I think for the time being, I think
the new sun that's going out, I think
[1:24:35] it's all ordered already, right, Lisa?
>> I believe so.
[1:24:38] » Yeah. So, um, at least that's going to
be an effort on the town to to make
[1:24:43] sure. So,
>> I'd like to see if we could get a a
[1:24:47] motion to approve, uh, the purchase of
those signs, the signage.
[1:24:54] » I'll make that motion. I'll second it.
[1:25:00] » To purchase them without a cost or
>> Well, there's a cost obviously DPW is
[1:25:05] going to
>> Okay. I thought we were talking about
[1:25:07] getting an estimate, but you want to go
right purchasing.
[1:25:09] » No, we're going to get an estimate on
>> on the gates.
[1:25:12] » Gates, but um the superintendent has
ordered um
[1:25:17] » some sign. Okay. I'm just Okay. So,
you're talking about signage,
[1:25:21] » right?
>> Just signage and then get an estimate on
[1:25:24] this,
>> right?
[1:25:24] » Okay. Sorry. I'm
>> So, this would be So, um my
[1:25:29] understanding is bought that we have to
get approval from the board for these
[1:25:34] things.
signs
[1:25:36] » to put signs put
>> the signs and stuff.
[1:25:40] » Correct. So motion was made. Second. Any
other discussion? All those in favor?
[1:25:47] » I opposed. It's unanimous.
>> Madam Chair, I'd like to obtain more
[1:25:52] information about that crossing. And
I don't remember when the tunnel got
[1:25:58] filled in, but from that date till now,
I I'm curious if there were ever any
[1:26:03] other traffic accidents other than the
>> I I'll go back up the last
[1:26:09] correspondence. I can I can but I don't
deal with
[1:26:13] » but I have a record of that find out the
cost. And we can see from the timeline
[1:26:18] if there's been other incidents.
>> I don't think there were any. And and
[1:26:23] since they upgraded,
there's been at least two. Um
[1:26:29] I don't know how we railroad, but that
just that information alone would if I
[1:26:35] were their lawyer, I'd be a little
concerned.
[1:26:37] » Well, you know what concerns me more
than vehicles? these kids on those
[1:26:42] motorized bikes, they're all over town
and they're flying and they're not
[1:26:48] they're not very responsible when
they're on those things and I'm I'm
[1:26:51] always fearful down in that area that
god forbid, you know,
[1:26:57] but
I mean it's not a good situation, that's
[1:27:00] for sure. So, we have the um no parking
situation on Green Street and the board
[1:27:08] came up, the traffic committee board
came up with the concept they'd like to
[1:27:12] where that corner turns there. um take
away five packing spaces
[1:27:19] so that you take away at that corner the
hazard of
[1:27:25] I think it was right there the spot
right there to the to the end
[1:27:30] » from here to
>> yeah from here to up right where the
[1:27:34] turn is.
>> So both sides of the street
[1:27:39] » no that the side where the vehicles are
parked.
[1:27:42] » Okay. I thought I saw a no parking sign
up right there.
[1:27:45] » But there is
>> there's one right there.
[1:27:47] » Other places for them to park, but they
just choose dot to park.
[1:27:51] » But it is very hazardous as you can see.
That's a pretty sharp turn there.
[1:27:56] » And it's for a car, it's one thing, but
that service those buildings,
[1:28:01] » it makes it a lot harder.
>> Right. So the proposal is to take away
[1:28:05] five parking spaces and put no parking.
[1:28:10] I make that motion.
>> Okay. Is there a second?
[1:28:14] » Second.
>> Any discussion? All those in favor?
[1:28:18] » I
>> opposed. It's unanimous.
[1:28:22] And also at the same area, um they had
as you can see it right there. What's
[1:28:30] happening? It's like
those uh crosswalks right there. What
[1:28:36] happens is people when they're moving in
or they're moving out, they have their,
[1:28:43] you know, moving vans there and there's
no way you can get by them. So, it's
[1:28:48] it's really become a hazard there. So,
the recommendation was to put signage on
[1:28:54] the sides of the sidewalks
[1:28:58] » that says what? So
>> remove these remove them from the middle
[1:29:03] » and just put them
>> on the sides
[1:29:06] » because it's really becoming a parking
um nightmare. I mean a traffic
[1:29:11] nightmare.
>> So like forever or just during when
[1:29:14] people move.
>> Well, no. We'd like to do it. I mean
[1:29:16] because you can't they're
>> not.
[1:29:19] » Yeah. They're in and out all the time as
people.
[1:29:21] » Okay. So that's consistently,
>> you know, and then you've got people
[1:29:24] dropping off things and so uh so that's
the recommendation just to put them on
[1:29:30] the side as opposed to in the middle of
the road.
[1:29:34] » That's a motion, Madam Chair.
>> Is there a second?
[1:29:36] » Second.
>> Any discussion? All those in favor?
[1:29:41] » Opposed? It's unanimous. And then we had
a request for additional street lights
[1:29:46] on Lancaster Road. And then um well
we'll go that one first. So the chief
[1:29:53] has had asked the uh traffic committee
to hold off on it until he did more
[1:29:58] patrols because um Mr. Budrey said that
and see the problem is to some of that
[1:30:05] land is Bolton property
but um he said that every other pole has
[1:30:12] a street light. So, the chief said that
he'd like to be able to send some
[1:30:17] patrols at night and make an evaluation
and then on our next traffic meeting,
[1:30:22] which we have set um dates that we're
going to meet every quarter. So, um
[1:30:28] we're going to
just hold off on it. And then the next
[1:30:33] one was um uh speed limit signs which
have been installed.
[1:30:39] So, um
we'll we'll hope and I guess the chief
[1:30:44] as well is going to make sure that um
they're working. So,
[1:30:52] and the next one was um
traffic signal to slow traffic at the
[1:30:57] intersection of Hamilton Street and East
Street. Uh so what they would like to do
[1:31:03] is to if you make that turn they'd like
to put arrows
[1:31:08] to
um make them aware that that turn is
[1:31:13] there a sharp turn right there.
That was the solution I came up with.
[1:31:20] It's a tough situation.
>> Um
[1:31:24] » like the big ones.
>> The problem being what people drive
[1:31:28] right through into the driveway.
>> Yeah. Well,
[1:31:31] » who's seems that is that people live
there? Yeah. Concerned about it.
[1:31:36] » Well, yeah, that was Yeah, concerns that
>> perhaps I would think it must be that
[1:31:41] house right there. But, um, the only
solution and viable solution was to put
[1:31:47] the arrow signs so that people realize
that they've got to slow down and that
[1:31:53] turn is coming up.
>> Okay.
[1:31:56] » Try anything, you know. So,
>> yep.
[1:31:59] » What's the pleasure of the board?
>> Move to authorize the installation of
[1:32:03] directional arrows.
>> I'll second 345 East Street.
[1:32:08] » Any other discussion? All those in
favor?
[1:32:11] » I oppos. It's unanimous.
And uh
[1:32:17] the next two issues are kind of the
same. It was um commercial vehicles
[1:32:22] parked in R1 and R2 zones and trailers
parked in the street. And it's kind of a
[1:32:29] tough situation because you're talking
about if it was just like a small van,
[1:32:33] say if a person had a company or a
business, you know, when you have those
[1:32:38] small vans and stuff, you have to park
them somewhere. And um the chief uh
[1:32:44] police chief had said that the only
thing that you could do uh would be to
[1:32:49] go to town meeting and have a
>> an article. Yeah. The chief talle
[1:33:03] » Yeah.
>> that you can't park commercial vehicles
[1:33:07] on private property.
>> No. on the side of the road. You talking
[1:33:12] about down,
>> right?
[1:33:15] » They park down there. The chief saying
now he has no authority to do anything
[1:33:18] about that.
>> But you
[1:33:23] research,
>> but it's okay to park private vehicles
[1:33:27] on the street in those areas.
I'm hypothetically uh if if you're a
[1:33:34] contractor, a small twoman band, uh and
you own a pickup truck with commercial
[1:33:40] plates.
>> Yeah.
[1:33:41] » You can't park in front of your house,
but your neighbor can.
[1:33:45] » No, I'm just talking He's just talking
like he's more talking the trailer. You
[1:33:50] can't leave not the not the trailer
itself, you know, 18. You can't leave a
[1:33:55] trailer on the side the side of the road
without the cap.
[1:34:00] That's that was mine. We only had one
conversation.
[1:34:06] » I guess we're not we're not proposing
taking action right now, right?
[1:34:10] » No, I don't know. This was just to to
bring up
[1:34:15] » one conversation. So, I have no idea.
Yeah, I'm thinking about landscapers
[1:34:19] with
>> land that came up in the discussion as
[1:34:22] well that you know how can you prohibit
you know if it's just a a small I mean I
[1:34:28] know there's one truck in town it's I
think the sign on signage on the side
[1:34:32] says pest control and it's like one of
those small van vans. Okay. So, I mean,
[1:34:40] » and we're talking we my conversation
with the Jeep was minus wasn't about
[1:34:45] that. It was like the long tractor
trailer.
[1:34:48] » Yeah. Just
>> not not a small delivery construction.
[1:34:52] » Well, that's that wasn't the request.
The request was anonymous.
[1:34:56] » Yeah. And I'll I mean if you want to
read a synopsis, it's large work vans,
[1:35:01] trailers, landscaping vehicles, and
other commercial vehicles um can
[1:35:07] obstruct sight lines and reduce
available parking for residents and and
[1:35:11] noise. So it wasn't tractor trailers. It
was more
[1:35:15] » smaller type of commercial plates that
were parking on the street. And I think
[1:35:20] the chief said, you know, there's no
real way to differentiate those from a
[1:35:26] regular passenger.
>> Yeah.
[1:35:30] » I'm talking about just
not those are just like any other
[1:35:34] » specifically it was Grove, Beacon,
Richmond, Summit Park, and Winter as
[1:35:41] examples.
[1:35:44] Okay.
>> We still have We still have the one on
[1:35:47] for Church Street. I mean for School
Street, right?
[1:35:51] Yes.
>> Okay.
[1:35:52] » Yeah.
>> And Oak Street.
[1:35:57] » Yeah. We didn't um The only thing I
remember talking about Oak Street where
[1:36:00] they were going to put the sign from the
corner of Oaken Crown.
[1:36:04] » Yeah. We're going to
>> sing. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
[1:36:07] » I forgot you had your slideshow.
>> There it is. There it is. It's
[1:36:12] » ready to go. So, the recommendation was
to put a no parking sign
[1:36:19] right in that area right over here on
the side here.
[1:36:24] Um,
>> from the sidewalk I mean from the
[1:36:27] crosswalk
>> from the crosswalk right there. Yeah.
[1:36:29] » Which is what the chief said from the
corner you can't park 20 ft anyway.
[1:36:34] » So, it was just to remind you cuz that
20 ft would include the crosswalk. So,
[1:36:38] just remind people not to and and that
we solve it.
[1:36:40] » Yeah. But you can't. So they just put
that one parking sign up to the here to
[1:36:44] corner from 20 ft back and there you go.
>> It' be like sign city soon.
[1:36:49] » Yeah.
>> Well, you know this the traffic around
[1:36:53] town is horrendous. I mean is
>> How do we normally do it to a corner? Do
[1:36:58] we normally just paint?
>> Like didn't we just do this over here on
[1:37:03] » Was it paint and a sign?
>> I don't know. Can we just do it on
[1:37:06] school street with that new
>> Yeah,
[1:37:09] » I think the sign was on the building.
>> Sign on the building.
[1:37:13] » I thought the 20 ft from the corner was
sort of a lot.
[1:37:16] » It is,
>> right? That's what I thought. Yeah.
[1:37:20] » I think it's just a reminder.
>> Parking there all the time.
[1:37:24] » So, what do you take them?
>> That's what I would expect.
[1:37:28] » I would I think the police need a
signed.
[1:37:34] It's just like people get sign blind
like throwing signs everywhere.
[1:37:40] » So anyways, that that was the
recommendation of the traffic committee
[1:37:44] was to put a new parking sign would be
at 168 Oak.
[1:37:49] » So 20 ft from the corner, right?
>> Corner. Yeah.
[1:37:52] » Motion to approve the traffic committee
recommendation.
[1:37:55] » Second.
>> Any discussion? All those in favor?
[1:37:59] » I I
Julie, do you vote I? Yes.
[1:38:04] » And what was the other one?
>> School street from the the corner up up
[1:38:08] to
>> the corner of school in Union up to
[1:38:11] school in um
>> Yeah, I don't have that on here.
[1:38:15] » Bernie, but they have it um
>> do we have it up there? Um
[1:38:21] » yeah, there it is.
[1:38:25] » Took a wrong turn. Bernie,
>> I think I've ever been there.
[1:38:29] » I went through THE PARKING LOT.
[1:38:35] I'M LIKE, IS THAT a question?
[1:38:40] » You quit talking.
>> I know. Jeez, Lisa. I know you're
[1:38:44] speedy.
>> Yeah. So, Julie, they did paint it all
[1:38:46] the way up up to where the the driveway
is behind the building, but they didn't
[1:38:50] go all the way up to the to uh
>> is that Pleasant Street?
[1:38:53] » Yeah, it is.
>> So, the the traffic committee was to do
[1:38:58] I think it was just one side. I'm not
sure if it was both sides or one, but up
[1:39:01] to Pleasant Street because when the
trucks come down off the Union, they
[1:39:05] can't make that corner and then they
can't get the corner to the back part of
[1:39:08] the building where the loading docks
are.
[1:39:11] » Mhm.
[1:39:14] » I mean, that's that's what
>> Yeah. So, the request was to put the to
[1:39:18] follow the um no parking up to the top
of the street to Pleasant Street, right?
[1:39:25] » For the big trucks coming through.
>> Yeah. Because it
[1:39:29] » see now that that picture is taken
before they fixed the sidewalk. So they
[1:39:33] can't park on the sidewalk. So now
they're out in the road
[1:39:36] » just a little bit on the left is to turn
into get behind the building. I know
[1:39:39] it's it's it's tough.
>> This is like just cherrypicking
[1:39:42] different spots all over and just
>> Well, you have to kind of determine
[1:39:46] where you're having real traffic issues
and uh
[1:39:53] » and they I mean this is a new
development, correct?
[1:39:56] Yeah. And they have parking in the back.
They just too just hard. There already
[1:40:00] been an accident there.
>> Yeah.
[1:40:02] » Where the car truck couldn't get around
the corner.
[1:40:05] » That's It doesn't look like
>> I mean if the trucks can't get in.
[1:40:07] Sorry, Bill. Don't mean to interrupt
you. My apologies. Go ahead. Go ahead.
[1:40:10] No. Fine.
>> No, I'm just saying like Yeah. If
[1:40:12] there's trucks coming in, they can't
turn. Like I
[1:40:15] » am kind of for that, not just random
kind of
[1:40:19] » You don't like this anymore? No. I
>> When the trucks are coming this way,
[1:40:24] they
Lisa could show us. Uh,
[1:40:28] » Bernie, didn't the truck get stuck
there? Is that why this came out?
[1:40:32] » Oh, no. One hit car is right there on
the right hand side.
[1:40:35] » If you go through under the t under the
bridge,
[1:40:39] » there's the entryway into the parking
lot. Right. Right up there where the
[1:40:43] arrow is.
>> Yeah.
[1:40:44] » Right there. That doesn't look
>> like a difficult corner for them to
[1:40:48] make, but it really is. The trucks are
are twisted,
[1:40:53] tip, not tipping over, but it's a real
tough corner for 40 foot.
[1:40:57] » It does look
>> truck to make it through into that
[1:41:00] corner
>> and cars packed all over the place don't
[1:41:03] make it any easier.
[1:41:08] I would be like think because of that
like the safety the the businesses
[1:41:14] around there if they can't kind of
>> because if you picture those cars on the
[1:41:18] left parking out on the street now
>> it makes it a lot
[1:41:21] » Yeah. I mean these are the repercussions
of
[1:41:25] » the traces made by certain boards.
>> So the what's the pleasure of the board
[1:41:33] that uh support the request for the no
parking signs? Can we just clarify exam?
[1:41:37] What is it from?
>> It's
[1:41:40] » Union all the way to Pleasant
>> right
[1:41:42] » on the right side or on both sides?
>> I thought it was on both sides.
[1:41:48] » I think they did say both. I thought I
would go with one, but they said just to
[1:41:51] Bill's point then just put them all on
the other side of the road in the same
[1:41:54] in the sidewalk. So both sides.
>> So it' be right there Jo right where the
[1:41:58] fence is
where where it ends right there.
[1:42:02] » Mhm.
I do feel like that is kind of like a
[1:42:06] dangerous
patch of route between Pleasant Street
[1:42:10] turning onto it, turning off of it,
turning into there. So that's why I
[1:42:14] would be in favor based on the trucks.
>> Madam Chair, I make a motion that we
[1:42:19] approve the traffic committee
recommendation to
[1:42:23] buy parking on School Street from
um Union Street to Pleasant Street.
[1:42:31] » Second.
>> Second. Any discussion? All those in
[1:42:34] favor?
>> I
[1:42:36] » opposed. Unanimous. Okay,
[1:42:42] that's it. I believe
have a committee. Um,
[1:42:48] committee reports. Do we Lisa? Thank you
so much. This is fantastic. I think it's
[1:42:54] very helpful to the board and obviously
to the people out there. They know what
[1:42:59] we're talking about now. So what do you
think Bob?
[1:43:05] » Presentation great to see it.
>> Yeah.
[1:43:09] I didn't even know I know
[1:43:14] » don't take that turn.
>> Thank you very much. That was so
[1:43:19] helpful.
>> Yeah. Um hopefully this is what will
[1:43:23] continue in the future if Lisa is still
willing to do it.
[1:43:29] I don't know. She's just not saying
anything.
[1:43:31] » No, she's was looking too.
>> You need to move me to the beginning of
[1:43:35] the meeting.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Good point.
[1:43:38] » Okay. Uh committee reports. Does anybody
have anything? Um I I'm not on the
[1:43:44] committee, but I would like to uh say
that I hope this weekend is it looks
[1:43:49] like great weather for old home day and
uh we're so proud of the fact that uh
[1:43:56] Proxim Ruck has taken it on and uh we
wish them all the very best this weekend
[1:44:01] and hope many many people come out and
it's very successful for them.
[1:44:07] Madam Chair, under committee reports,
it's not really a report, but I'd like
[1:44:11] to renew a request to establish uh
government affairs subcommittee.
[1:44:17] » Sure.
>> Thank you.
[1:44:19] » Would you like to serve on that?
>> Yeah, absolutely.
[1:44:22] » Okay. Would you like to do the
committee? Put the committee together?
[1:44:26] » I'd be very happy to do that.
>> Okay, that's your assignment.
[1:44:29] » Thank you. Finally putting me to work.
>> Okay. committee announcements. You've
[1:44:36] already given us that, Karen. Thank you
very much. And we hope that uh a lot of
[1:44:42] people do come out for that
on the 11th.
[1:44:49] That's at 8:30, right? Yep. 8:30.
>> Yes.
[1:44:54] » All right. So, we'll be going into
executive session and when we come out,
[1:44:58] it'll just be to adjourn. And so I'll
accept the motion to go into
[1:45:04] executive session.
>> So move
[1:45:07] » under chapter 3A section 21A.
>> Second
[1:45:12] » to apply with the open meeting law. And
uh it recalls a roll call.
[1:45:18] » Brendan Bailey I.
>> Bill Connley I.
[1:45:20] » Mary Dickot I.
>> Julie Pruz I. And then um when we come
[1:45:25] back out, we'll be going into executive
session
[1:45:28] under um Mass General laws 38 section
21A for the purpose to conduct executive
[1:45:35] collective bargaining sessions with the
uh Clinton uh Department of Public
[1:45:41] Works. Um roll call required.
>> Brenda Bailey. I Bill Connley. I
[1:45:47] » Dickot I.
[1:45:51] » Oh, Julie P. Sorry. So, we'll be going
out, coming in, going out, coming in.
[1:45:56] So, we are now in executive session.