1 00:00:29,519 --> 00:00:31,279 Are you guys ready? 2 00:00:31,279 --> 00:00:33,600 >> You guys ready? 3 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,239 >> Ready. 4 00:00:36,239 --> 00:00:37,840 >> All right, folks. Thank you for showing 5 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,920 up. 6 o'clock, we're going to uh call 6 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,600 the meeting to order. Please join me for 7 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:49,350 the pledge of allegiance. 8 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,760 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 9 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,280 United States of America [clears throat] 10 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,760 and to the republic for which it stands. 11 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,719 One nation under God, indivisible, with 12 00:00:58,719 --> 00:01:00,480 liberty and justice for all. 13 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,280 >> Thank you. 14 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,199 All right. Roll call. I see all council 15 00:01:05,199 --> 00:01:07,360 members are present. 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,799 Any report out on close session? 17 00:01:10,799 --> 00:01:11,840 >> No reportable act. 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,560 >> Okay. Thank you. Conflict of interest 19 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,040 declarations. Do we have any? Seeing 20 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,920 none. All right. Agenda reviews and 21 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,119 changes, deletions. 22 00:01:21,119 --> 00:01:22,000 >> No changes, mayor. 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,000 >> All right. Thank you. Let's roll right 24 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,400 into item B1, presentation, national 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,560 night out. Recipient is Bo Gastino, one 26 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,630 of our sergeants. 27 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,360 Yep. Go ahead. 28 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,439 Proclamation of the city council of the 29 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:39,600 city of Cloverdale recognizing National 30 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,000 Night Out in Cloverdale. Whereas 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,400 National Night Out is an annual 32 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,960 nationwide community building campaign 33 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:49,439 traditionally held on the first Tuesday 34 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:51,520 in August that brings neighbors, law 35 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,759 enforcement, first responders, 36 00:01:53,759 --> 00:01:56,159 businesses, and community organizations 37 00:01:56,159 --> 00:01:58,799 together to strengthen relationships, 38 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:01,759 promote public safety, and foster safer, 39 00:02:01,759 --> 00:02:04,240 more connected neighborhoods. And 40 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:09,360 whereas on August 4, 2026, residents 41 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,039 throughout Cloverdale joined the 42 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:13,120 Cloverdale Police Department in 43 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,280 celebrating National Night Out, 44 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,680 demonstrating the strong partnerships, 45 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,920 community spirit, and shared commitment 46 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:22,000 that helped make Cloverdale a safe and 47 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,800 welcoming place to live, work, and 48 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,520 visit. And whereas the success of 49 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,599 National Night Out reflects the 50 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:31,680 collaborative effort efforts of the 51 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,000 Cloverdale Police Department, Northern 52 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,879 Sonoma County Fire Protection District, 53 00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:39,200 Cloverdale Ambulance, the Cloverdale 54 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,319 Community Emergency Response Team, SERT, 55 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:44,239 the Cloverdale Lions Club, the 56 00:02:44,239 --> 00:02:47,280 Cloverdale Police Officers Association, 57 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,160 city staff from across the organization, 58 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,840 local businesses, community 59 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,239 organizations, sponsors, volunteers, and 60 00:02:54,239 --> 00:02:56,480 residents whose collective commitment 61 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,560 created a welcoming event that 62 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,720 strengthened community relationships and 63 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,360 celebrated the spirit of public safety. 64 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,920 And whereas the city council recognizes 65 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:08,400 that strong relationships, open 66 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,480 communication, and meaningful 67 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,640 partnerships between law enforcement and 68 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:14,959 the comm community are essential to 69 00:03:14,959 --> 00:03:17,680 build building trust, enhancing public 70 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,760 safety, and fostering a strong, more 71 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,400 connected Cloverdale. And whereas 72 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,800 National Night Out serves as a reminder 73 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,840 that a safe community is built not only 74 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,239 through public safety services, but 75 00:03:30,239 --> 00:03:32,080 through neighbors who know one another, 76 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,560 community organizations that give back, 77 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,040 businesses that invest locally, 78 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,200 volunteers who serve, and residents who 79 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,000 remain engaged throughout the year. And 80 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,640 now therefore, be it proclaimed that the 81 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,720 city council of the city of Cloverdale 82 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,720 hereby recognizes successful observance 83 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,560 of National Night Out on August 4, 2026 84 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,040 and encourages continued community 85 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,120 engagement and partnership throughout 86 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,200 the year to help keep Cloverdale safe, 87 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,840 welcoming, and connected. Dated August 88 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,360 12th, 2026. So ordered by Mayor Brian 89 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,557 Wheeler. 90 00:04:09,557 --> 00:04:13,509 [applause] 91 00:04:13,519 --> 00:04:16,880 have any comments for the council? 92 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,639 >> Um, I did not make it out to national 93 00:04:18,639 --> 00:04:20,320 out, but I saw the photos. It looks like 94 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,240 everyone had a really good time. Uh, 95 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,160 heard from members in the community that 96 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,160 uh, uh, the children had a great time 97 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,919 and it's just a wonderful event. So, 98 00:04:27,919 --> 00:04:29,360 thank you guys for the wonderful job you 99 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,120 do on that. 100 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,199 I want to thank you all for putting this 101 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:35,199 on every year and I think our community 102 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:37,520 really enjoys it and I think it's a good 103 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,360 time for children to learn about the 104 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,440 police force and the fire department and 105 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,120 other things of interest that they may 106 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,040 look at one year to go into those kind 107 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,560 of careers. So, thank you. 108 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,400 >> Yeah, Bo, thank you for uh all that you 109 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,040 do for the city. Uh, National Night Outs 110 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,440 is is a big progressive event for, you 111 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,919 know, families and kids alone. And it's 112 00:04:57,919 --> 00:05:00,400 great to see that you chose to raise 113 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,280 your family here and and be the the the 114 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:05,520 force that we want to see in raising a 115 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,960 family in a uh safe neighborhood. So, we 116 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,320 appreciate what you do for Cloverdale. 117 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,240 Thank you. 118 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,840 >> I'm going to reiterate what they said. 119 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:15,360 Thank you for everything you guys do. 120 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,280 Community engagement in Cloverdale is 121 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:20,160 what makes us special and knowing 122 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,639 generations of your family. Uh thank you 123 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:23,919 for all that you put into it. Thank you 124 00:05:23,919 --> 00:05:25,360 for staying here and working hard and 125 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:26,560 showing the community what it's really 126 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,670 like. 127 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,000 » Uh Bo, thank you. Thank you to uh 128 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,720 Cloverdale Police. You know, um you guys 129 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,320 are not only the cops in town, your 130 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,639 neighbors. Uh you you hook people up and uh talk to them when they need to be 131 00:05:40,639 --> 00:05:42,080 talked to. I'm not even going to bring 132 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,759 up the rib competition because I think 133 00:05:43,759 --> 00:05:46,080 the the new chief of police was a little 134 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,440 skewed on that. But anyway, um and 135 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,759 obviously one of the cops won, so it was 136 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:53,520 stacked a little bit, but we'll get 137 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,669 >> our ex Chief Parker did not win. 138 00:05:55,669 --> 00:05:56,080 [laughter] 139 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:57,759 >> As long as Chief Parker, the old chief 140 00:05:57,759 --> 00:05:59,520 didn't win, we're cool with that. But 141 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:00,880 anyway, thank you guys for doing what 142 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,440 you do. You're always accessible. Um and you know, we transition right into 143 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:06,960 the new chief. I think he's fitting in 144 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,720 well, and I encourage uh the community 145 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,720 to get out and get to know him. get well 146 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,000 get to know our cops that they don't 147 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,680 know and al we have a lot of new ones 148 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,759 and also talk to the chief. I know he's 149 00:06:15,759 --> 00:06:17,919 going to be up. Tomorrow's uh the first 150 00:06:17,919 --> 00:06:19,840 day of school for a lot of folks and uh 151 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:21,039 he's going to be pretty visible in 152 00:06:21,039 --> 00:06:22,479 there. Get to know the guy. He's going 153 00:06:22,479 --> 00:06:24,400 to be huge asset and I think it's uh 154 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,400 great for Cloverdale. So once again, 155 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,120 thank not only Yubo but the entire CPD. 156 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,039 You guys are awesome. Now, can we get a 157 00:06:31,039 --> 00:06:31,440 picture with 158 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,039 >> Thank you. Yeah. Can I just say a couple 159 00:06:33,039 --> 00:06:34,960 thanks? Uh thank you guys for your 160 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,600 recognition. Um it always feels good to 161 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,199 give out gifts rather than speeding 162 00:06:39,199 --> 00:06:41,120 tickets sometimes. 163 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,319 So um like council member Marjorie 164 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:47,120 Mortgen said um there were so many 165 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,440 people who made this thing possible and 166 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,520 I'm just going to she already reiterated 167 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,639 it but I'm going to do it again. Um our 168 00:06:54,639 --> 00:06:57,120 Cloverdale Police Department, the entire 169 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,680 staff uh volunteered their time to make 170 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,720 this event possible from dispatchers to 171 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,520 Cso to our records to all the officers. 172 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,560 It's an all hands-on event. Um, and then 173 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,599 we talked about ex- chief Parker. Uh, it 174 00:07:11,599 --> 00:07:13,039 wouldn't be possible without his 175 00:07:13,039 --> 00:07:16,000 foundation. He he makes it really easy 176 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,759 just to kind of follow in his footsteps 177 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:19,919 and our current chief filled that role 178 00:07:19,919 --> 00:07:22,560 perfectly. Um, just to go down the line, 179 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,479 you had mentioned all the vendors and 180 00:07:24,479 --> 00:07:26,240 local businesses that support these 181 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,880 small events. I think they donated 182 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:33,039 upwards of uh $1,500 in gifts and gift 183 00:07:33,039 --> 00:07:35,360 cards. and our POA donated another 184 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,199 thousand dollars to give out to the 185 00:07:37,199 --> 00:07:39,919 community. Um, so it's just great to see 186 00:07:39,919 --> 00:07:42,240 such a small nit community come together 187 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,680 for an event like this. Um, there's so 188 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,120 many more people I'm probably missing on 189 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,120 this list like ambulance and everybody 190 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,720 who came out, but thank you to the 191 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,800 community who always supports us. And 192 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,840 lastly, like council member Mark Laskkey 193 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,599 said, most of us from the Cloverdale 194 00:07:57,599 --> 00:07:58,720 Police Department are actually from 195 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,280 Cloverdale. So, it actually feels great 196 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,360 to do an event like this and give back 197 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,520 to the community that raised us. So, 198 00:08:05,520 --> 00:09:49,030 thank you guys Yeah. 199 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:50,800 Sorry. We're going to move into we do 200 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,160 have the student leazison report. Right 201 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:53,920 now we don't have them, but I would like 202 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,760 people if you know anybody, please get 203 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,560 on the uh city's website. There's a 204 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:00,160 guide on how to do that. We love having 205 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,160 our student liaison up here. The ones 206 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,839 we've had are awesome and they're a 207 00:10:03,839 --> 00:10:05,760 great addition up here to the DIS. So, 208 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,680 uh, please if you know anybody, uh, 209 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:09,600 guide them in that direction. Now, we're 210 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,519 going to move into public comments. D1, 211 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:13,360 verbal comments. Any person wishing to 212 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,040 speak on an item not listed on the 213 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,920 agenda may do so at this time. Pursuant 214 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:19,920 to the Brown Act, the city council is 215 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,000 not allowed to consider issues or take 216 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,839 action on any item not listed on the 217 00:10:23,839 --> 00:10:26,399 agenda. Three minutes are allotted to 218 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:28,880 each speaker. 219 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,320 Do we have any public comments? 220 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:33,680 And please, when you come up, state your 221 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:40,630 name for the record, please. 222 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,279 Push the little button. 223 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:47,200 >> There we go. Uh, my name is Robert Maddock. I live here in 224 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,000 Cloverdale. I am here actually to say 225 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,120 thank you to the public employees of of 226 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,000 Cloverdale. Um, I had a really difficult 227 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,880 situation at my house when my sewer line 228 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,440 got cut by a neighbor. We had to replace 229 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,920 the entire thing. So, I specifically 230 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,320 wanted to thank Kevin Thompson, city 231 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,920 manager, for um this being a community 232 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,040 where we can talk directly to the people 233 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,600 who run it. And it really made a big 234 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,760 difference. And I really appreciate the 235 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,640 cooperation of the city manager as well 236 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,560 as uh Derek Montani, uh Robert Bobby 237 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:27,120 Spagnol, and others in the city staff 238 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,680 who really worked with me. I'm on Cherry 239 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:31,839 Creek Road. The other thing I'll mention 240 00:11:31,839 --> 00:11:34,959 is when we did the repaving on Cherry 241 00:11:34,959 --> 00:11:36,880 Creek Road, we found that there is no 242 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,399 road base and it's actually buried with 243 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:43,680 uh yards and yards of river rock. Pure 244 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:46,640 Russian River rock. And if you ever are 245 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,120 going to work on Cherry Creek Road, try 246 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,480 to save that rock. It's really 247 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,640 beautiful. I'm rellandscaping big areas 248 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,200 in my yard with it. So, um it's 249 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,519 beautiful. probably scooped out of the 250 00:11:57,519 --> 00:11:59,279 river back in the day when people just 251 00:11:59,279 --> 00:12:00,640 went down there with a bucket and 252 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,160 scooped it. Um, but I also uh really 253 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,000 just uh in addition to saying thank you 254 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,760 for that, want to say I really 255 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,959 appreciate our city parks and our new 256 00:12:10,959 --> 00:12:13,519 preserve. I've been hiking the trails. I 257 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:16,240 hiked the tank trail this morning uh on 258 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,519 that side uh north side. I I like the 259 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:21,279 brand new preserve. So, thanks for the 260 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:22,880 great job you're doing. A lot of people 261 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,560 come to complain. I'm just here to say 262 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:36,790 thanks. 263 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,160 Hello, Colleen Shields. 264 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,120 Council, city officials, and fellow 265 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:44,800 Cloverdaleians. 266 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,880 As a 30-year resident of our beloved 267 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,360 city, I can't sit idly by without 268 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,120 sharing some thoughts about the proposed 269 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,920 Esmeralda project. Let me preface my 270 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,160 comments by apprising you that I am not 271 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,639 anti-growth. I just want to see the 272 00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:00,320 right kind of growth in our sweet little 273 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:06,000 town. Safe growth, conducive growth, that positively supports our 274 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,880 population and businesses. Growth that 275 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,680 follows mandated guidelines. As most of 276 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:13,680 you are aware, there are toxic waste 277 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:16,160 issues of the on the proposed site in 278 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,399 question. There are concerns about lack 279 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:20,639 of water issues and I can tell you that 280 00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:22,800 I personally know two of our own 281 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,760 residents who witnessed toxic waste not 282 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,480 being disposed of properly and which was 283 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,880 buried on the proposed site. They 284 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,440 witnessed this firsthand. That alone 285 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,760 should be a red flag. Why then wouldn't 286 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,800 you demand current testing and possible 287 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,600 subsequent well monitoring? Why then 288 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,040 isn't a current EIR required? If things 289 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,440 go through as is, we are not doing our 290 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,720 due diligence and would not be comparing 291 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,000 apples to apples. We need to square up, 292 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,720 have integrity, and do the right thing. 293 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,440 I'm concerned that the decision five 294 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,160 individuals make could negatively alter 295 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,639 the landscape of our community and the 296 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:07,199 safety and availability of our precious 297 00:14:07,199 --> 00:14:09,920 water supply. This is a huge decision 298 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,160 and honestly feel should be up to all of 299 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,240 the constituents of this district. 300 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,040 Therefore, I propose that this item of 301 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,480 business be added to the November 302 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,880 ballot. We all choose to live here and 303 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,519 don't need to marry the first suitor 304 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:26,880 that proposes. We don't have to say yes 305 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,639 because something is better than 306 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:30,639 nothing. We have the sacred 307 00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:33,279 responsibility as stewards of this land, 308 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:35,760 this town, this lifestyle to think 309 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,600 things through and be wise before making 310 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,240 such a decision. We don't have to act 311 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,560 out of fear and be tempted by the lure 312 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,120 of money, believing that one entity is 313 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,560 the panacea for our financial wos. 314 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,279 Sometimes waiting for other options is a 315 00:14:53,279 --> 00:14:56,880 viable decision. Quite often patient 316 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,399 patience truly does pay off. Please 317 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:04,000 listen to our legitimate concerns and 318 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,079 truly consider them prior to making any 319 00:15:08,079 --> 00:15:11,440 permanent decision. As your constituent 320 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,839 constituents, we are owed at least that. 321 00:15:15,839 --> 00:15:18,320 Respectfully submitted. 322 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:27,670 [applause] 323 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:45,430 Any other public comment? 324 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,360 Good evening. I'm Rob Kazowski. Uh live 325 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,639 here in Cloverdale. And uh um first of 326 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:52,240 all, I'd like to speak on an issue that 327 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,360 wasn't included in the uh July 22nd city 328 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,839 council meetings written comments. Uh 329 00:15:57,839 --> 00:15:59,440 those written comments should be part of 330 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,759 today's record and warrant your review. 331 00:16:01,759 --> 00:16:03,759 Uh they focus on the reasons for no 332 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:06,639 water rate increases at this time. The 333 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:08,959 importance of speaking up is to remind 334 00:16:08,959 --> 00:16:11,360 my fellow Cloverdaleians and city 335 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,279 leaders that their priorities need 336 00:16:13,279 --> 00:16:14,959 regular validation by members of the 337 00:16:14,959 --> 00:16:17,120 public. This became evident during the 338 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,040 most recent 5-year period of water rate 339 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,600 increases. Here are a few examples. One, 340 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,000 solar panel to solar panels were 341 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,959 prioritized over public works projects. 342 00:16:26,959 --> 00:16:29,040 Over inflated and projected savings were 343 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,839 used to justify deficit spending, yet 344 00:16:31,839 --> 00:16:34,800 future operational parts replacements 345 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,560 and maintenance costs for this solar 346 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,199 system remain unaccounted for. Smart 347 00:16:39,199 --> 00:16:41,040 water meters were prioritized over water 348 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,920 capital improvement projects. Faux 349 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,480 savings were projected, yet stated 350 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,920 benefits remain o undocumented to date. 351 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,680 Office air conditioning was prioritized 352 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,320 over wastewater capital improvement 353 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,040 projects. No benefits for Cloverdaleians 354 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,360 was ever identified. The city of 355 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,040 Cloverdale assumed long-term debt in 356 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,040 2022, but put it on the backs of 357 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:04,799 residents in the form of massive 358 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:07,439 interest payments. It was an $8 million 359 00:17:07,439 --> 00:17:10,640 financial scheme prioritized over pay as 360 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,760 you go payments. This irresponsible 361 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,000 foray led to deferred water and 362 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,120 wastewater public works projects 363 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:20,720 promised to be completed before the 364 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,520 5-year double-digit rate increases 365 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,919 imposed on residents water bill since 366 00:17:25,919 --> 00:17:27,839 2021. 367 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:30,000 Even so, some modest progress has been 368 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,960 made during the past fiscal year, as it 369 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,160 should with a $10 million war chest 370 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,039 accumulated during the past five years 371 00:17:39,039 --> 00:17:42,160 of water wastewater bills. 372 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,200 However, please stop more rate increases 373 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,039 over the next 5 years in violation of 374 00:17:47,039 --> 00:17:49,919 Proposition 218, where rate increases 375 00:17:49,919 --> 00:17:52,320 should be tied to costs related to water 376 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,640 infrastructure projects and not for 377 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,679 unrelated boondoggles. At the outset, I 378 00:17:57,679 --> 00:17:59,280 said city leaders priorities need 379 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,200 regular validation by members of the 380 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,360 public. However, this has become harder 381 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:04,799 with the lack of subcommittee meetings 382 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:06,799 and a consolidation of four 383 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:09,520 subcommittees into two. For example, the 384 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,200 public works subcommittee meetings 385 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,919 during 2024 were cancelled six times. 386 00:18:13,919 --> 00:18:16,799 During 2025, they were suspended seven 387 00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:19,520 times. These are failing grades, not 388 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,679 only for public meeting schedules, but 389 00:18:21,679 --> 00:18:23,760 also for government transparencies 390 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,080 regarding to needed capital improvement 391 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,559 projects. Curiously, the first meeting 392 00:18:28,559 --> 00:18:30,559 of the public works or infrastructure 393 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:33,679 subcommittee convened nine months later 394 00:18:33,679 --> 00:18:36,640 on May 4th of this year. It was held 395 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,400 just one day ahead of the two-year 396 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,880 budget workshop, giving residents no 397 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,799 time to meaningfully participate in the 398 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:44,559 financial future of Cloverdale for the 399 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:47,520 next two-year budget cycle. With that in 400 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,480 mind, I encourage you no to higher water 401 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,200 bills until we consume the $10 million 402 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,320 war chest and look at how much more 403 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,080 money this will bring in without 404 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,840 completing a lot of the major projects. 405 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:06,908 Thank you. 406 00:19:06,918 --> 00:19:14,150 » [laughter] 407 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,480 » Angela Cordova. 408 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,400 So, I have several things that I want to 409 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,320 talk about. First, I receive a 410 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,120 threatening text message because I speak 411 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:25,440 out on Esmeralda. 412 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,760 That's okay. In our community, that's 413 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,000 what Esmeralda brings. A threat against 414 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:35,520 my life. That's a joke. 415 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,280 Saying the number won't be traced. Devon 416 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,679 has the audacity to send an email to the 417 00:19:41,679 --> 00:19:44,960 Dry Creek tribe basically telling them 418 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,080 that if they don't cooperate and and 419 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,280 support Esmeralda that she is going to 420 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,760 oppose their future projects, who is 421 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:58,000 she? She's nobody. She's nobody. But 422 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,360 more threats from Esmeralda people now 423 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:04,000 trying to hush the tribe. That is 424 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,679 comical. 425 00:20:05,679 --> 00:20:09,760 Calling e anti-esalda folks a mob. 426 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,160 That's another joke. There's never been 427 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,200 a threat made from any anti-esalda 428 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,080 person to anybody. There's never been 429 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,880 aggression. There's never been violence. 430 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,640 There's there's always been public 431 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,960 presence and people with legitimate 432 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,440 concerns. And it will continue. It's not 433 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,720 going to stop. Public records requests 434 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:35,280 in our city have become a joke. It took 435 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,679 for me to threaten you with a lawsuit 436 00:20:39,679 --> 00:20:43,600 from my attorney to threaten you with 437 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,000 public [snorts] complaints to the 438 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,480 attorney general, to the state 439 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,320 controller, the state auditor, and the 440 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,159 grand jury. because this guy thinks it's 441 00:20:56,159 --> 00:21:00,559 funny to dictate what the law is. You 442 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:03,120 don't dictate the law. You adhere to the 443 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:05,520 law. So, when you have people in this 444 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,520 room who are sitting here today that 445 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,400 have requested public records, it's your 446 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,840 job as the city attorney to educate your 447 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,120 staff that they are violating the law, 448 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:19,679 which is going to cost you a big 449 00:21:19,679 --> 00:21:23,840 lawsuit, as you know. And within hours I 450 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,520 had my public records on my email within 451 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,679 hours of my threat. That's 452 00:21:31,679 --> 00:21:36,720 Yesterday this guy months of asking and 453 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,360 he thinks it's funny to go over. You 454 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:41,360 could watch the clock. I'm going over. I 455 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:44,720 don't care. He laughs at city hall and 456 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,480 says, "Oh, they didn't use the right 457 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,000 verbiage." 458 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,159 The verbiage was there. you're you're 459 00:21:50,159 --> 00:21:52,159 not a dictionary, but that's how you'll 460 00:21:52,159 --> 00:21:55,120 be treated. Now, 461 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:58,480 when I finally got my public records, I 462 00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,840 haven't even gone through them all, but 463 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,440 I am looking through them, as well as 464 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,159 two other people and an accountant. 465 00:22:04,159 --> 00:22:06,720 There's connections with the public 466 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,960 money that you're giving, the tax money 467 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,000 that you're giving to the chamber. We've 468 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,200 already made connections to Michael 469 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,799 Yarnney, Steve Cava, Resilient 470 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:26,799 Cloverdale, Rebecca Enis, JDS, DGH, 471 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:30,720 Daniel and Diana Hamzy, Esmeralda, and 472 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,919 Devin Zoo, Cloverdale Emergency, and the 473 00:22:33,919 --> 00:22:36,559 list goes on. 474 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:38,240 And there's money that's not even 475 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,480 accounted for. You know what that's 476 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,919 called? failure to oversee our tax 477 00:22:45,919 --> 00:22:56,815 dollars that you're handing out. 478 00:22:56,825 --> 00:23:01,350 [applause] 479 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:45,941 » Any other public comment? 480 00:23:45,951 --> 00:23:47,600 » [clears throat] 481 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,750 >> My name is Jennifer Sullivan 482 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,600 and I'm a Cloverdale resident. 483 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,280 So, why did the city of Cloverdale allow 484 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,840 consulting and legal work for Esmeralda 485 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,720 be done when Esmeralda didn't have the 486 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,280 funds in its reimbursement account to 487 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,679 cover that work? 488 00:24:09,679 --> 00:24:14,080 On April 8th, 2026, this council amended 489 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,159 the city's own budget to authorize 490 00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:19,350 $137,000 491 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:22,559 in Esmeralda planning expenses. Expenses 492 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:25,120 the city said would be reimbursed by 493 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:27,840 Esmeralda. 494 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,480 Esmeralda's reimbursement agreement 495 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,960 required an initial $20,000 deposit. And 496 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,440 whenever the balance falls below 10,000, 497 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,799 the city shall, not may, it shall notify 498 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:42,799 Esmeralda that additional funds are 499 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:44,720 required. 500 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,080 But on october 2nd, 2025, the account 501 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,840 fell to $8,482 502 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,320 and stayed below that contractual 503 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,080 trigger for 77 days. Then on December 504 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,200 18th, another $25,000 in Esmeralda 505 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,279 related engineering and legal costs was 506 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:07,840 posted. By December 31st, 2025, 507 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:13,430 Esmerald owed the city $16,523.75. 508 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,799 So, what happened? Did the city send the 509 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:19,279 required replenishment notice? If so, 510 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:21,279 why wasn't Esmeralda's reimbursement 511 00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:23,919 account replenished during that 77day 512 00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:27,039 period? Did the city pay any of those 513 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:29,679 costs before Esmeralda reimbured them? 514 00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:32,880 If so, from what fund? 515 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,039 For comparison, in a recent developer 516 00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:37,600 funded environmental review, San Rafll 517 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,760 required developers deposits before the 518 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,640 consultant began work. Why isn't 519 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,960 Esmeralda being held to the same 520 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,559 safeguard? 521 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:50,880 During that April 8th council meeting, I 522 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,880 asked whether Esmeralda had paid what it 523 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,440 had owed. The answer was they paid 524 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,200 everything. Fine, then show us. Produce 525 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,919 the 2026 activity statement I have been 526 00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:03,760 asking for. 527 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,440 Show when the $16,523 528 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,480 was paid. Show the replenishments. Show 529 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,720 how forleaf West Yoast and legal 530 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,480 services and other Emerald costs were 531 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,559 paid and reimbursed. 532 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:19,120 I have sent at least eight emails with 533 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,440 about these outstanding records that 534 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,039 received no city response. 535 00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:28,080 Go back and read my emails. When asked 536 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,799 to narrow requests, I narrowed them. 537 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:32,960 When asked to clarify them, I clarified 538 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,400 them. I acknowledged staff workload. I 539 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,480 have been respectful, and I wish this I 540 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,679 wish I could say that the city of 541 00:26:39,679 --> 00:26:42,480 Cloverdale has treated me the same. A 542 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,000 resident should [clears throat] not have 543 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,559 to send eight unanswered emails, formal 544 00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:49,279 notices, and repeated follow-ups just to 545 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:51,600 obtain records that are public under 546 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,960 California law. If Esmeralda paid every 547 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,760 penny, show us. If taxpayers never 548 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,640 carried a dollar, show us. If the city 549 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,400 followed the reimbursement agreement, 550 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,440 show us. Transparency is not asking 551 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,400 residents to trust you. Transparency is 552 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,933 asking is showing them the records. 553 00:27:12,933 --> 00:27:21,269 [applause] 554 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:32,710 » Any other public comment? 555 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,960 Uh, my name is Paul Perry. Um, 556 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,520 I want to go back to 557 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,520 we've had a couple town council members 558 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,600 back to June June 20 June June 20 559 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,720 something meeting when we were here and 560 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:59,600 uh the town council uh established that 561 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,080 June 26 I believe is now the city of 562 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,480 Cloverdale 563 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,640 um survivor cancer day. 564 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,360 Am and am I correct in that you guys 565 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,080 have said June 26 was going to be when 566 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,640 we celebrate the people in Cloverdale 567 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,120 that have cancer and how much of a 568 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,840 struggle that is for everybody. 569 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,600 Well, 570 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,159 you know, it took a while to sink in, 571 00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:30,559 but when I went home and I started to 572 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:34,320 think about it, it was like, "Oh my god, 573 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,240 I mean, you guys are ready to cart 574 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,240 launch 575 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,080 pass 576 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,760 a project on the super fund site where 577 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,919 we have no idea how much toxic chemicals 578 00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:50,640 are going to be exposed during all this 579 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,600 10 years of construction. 580 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,760 and and then put thousands of people on 581 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,279 top of that land. 582 00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:05,679 It it I mean I hope the new 583 00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:07,520 uh 584 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,039 hospital that you're going to build in 585 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:10,720 downtown 586 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,760 has thinking about maybe tripling their 587 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,480 size of their cancer center. 588 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,000 I mean this is really really crazy. 589 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,760 Something is not right here going you're 590 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,440 you got a toxic piece of land that you 591 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,440 want to take a 2009 EIR and say we don't 592 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,559 have to do it again when they've buried 593 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:37,279 wells they've buried the thing no toxic 594 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:39,200 chemicals were ever removed off this 595 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,840 land they were spread and you're going 596 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,799 to geologically 597 00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:48,159 rip it up spread it all over the place 598 00:29:48,159 --> 00:29:50,080 to build new construction uction and 599 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,600 think that we're not going to have 600 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,950 consequences. 601 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,760 Where is every I I've been a structural 602 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,039 engineer for 45 years. Every project 603 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,520 I've ever developed in the planning 604 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,200 phase has a geotechnical report that 605 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,320 declares that this site is safe to build 606 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,640 on. Where is that report right now that 607 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,399 Esmerald is financed? Is it in the city 608 00:30:16,399 --> 00:30:18,320 and you're not declaring it? We don't 609 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,760 know. 610 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,679 uh that geological firm, that 611 00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:24,080 geotechnical firm might have just 612 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,559 massive uh liability insurance policy to 613 00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,919 develop land that was a super fun site. 614 00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:34,720 Drill it, rip it up, however you want to 615 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,640 develop it. There's only two ways to 616 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,919 build foundations on land, and that is 617 00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:44,320 either deep D9, rip it up, and pack it 618 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,919 all back in or drill peers. So all that 619 00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:51,520 soil has to be tested and Michael Yarn 620 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,240 says we'll just deal with when it comes. 621 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,840 That's not the right answer. The answer 622 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,559 is to do your diligence. 623 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:04,080 Do a new EIRI. Find out where this site 624 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,960 is in 2026 625 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,919 before you rip up the land 626 00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:13,360 and expose all everybody to these 627 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,520 chemicals in Clodale 628 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,880 and figure out what the right way is to 629 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,440 build this land. not let Michael Yarn 630 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,960 and uh and and and Devon Zoo have their 631 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,840 Esmeralda Disneyland dream. 632 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,520 Okay. And then there's 633 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,360 uh I I just I I've in the time that's 634 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,039 passed this summer. Um I have multiple 635 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:44,000 friends in Cloverdale that have all two 636 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,640 of them died last week 637 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,360 and it's just it's it's shocking to see 638 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,640 this pain. I have one more friend Ross. 639 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,039 Everybody must know Ross and his dog. 640 00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:58,320 He's really really sick and they can't 641 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:03,360 cure him. I mean, it's just awful. And we're it it is such an awful life 642 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,440 for these people to be exposed to this 643 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,960 cancer and end their lives this way. I 644 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,600 I'm my my wife and I, we drive them down 645 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,200 to their their their doctor's 646 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:19,600 appointments and bring them back and and we just come home and we're we're we just can't believe it. 647 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,000 And it's everywhere here. And we want to 648 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,960 expose thousands of more new clover 649 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,279 aliens to a super fun toxic site without 650 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,880 doing diligence of a new EIR 651 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,960 and finding out what's the right way to 652 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,240 build this site. 653 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:45,669 >> Thank you. [applause] 654 00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:54,950 » Any other public comment? 655 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,919 Good evening, Lance Via. I do have some 656 00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:00,720 concerns about the Esmeralda site. Like 657 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,480 I said before, I own the property just 658 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,200 to the south Esmeralda. I can see where 659 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,840 a couple of the sites were and there's a 660 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,159 reason why nothing grows on those sites. 661 00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:16,320 A lot of toxins out there. the Twinkie 662 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,120 even. Nothing is growing out there. Had 663 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,399 my uh my well tested. Water's good now, 664 00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:24,640 but I'm really concerned about my kids 665 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,080 when they start digging all that stuff 666 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,840 up. Is it going to run into my well? Is 667 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,600 the dust particles going to come up onto 668 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,919 my house? And who's going to who's going 669 00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:36,480 to pay for my kids hospital bill? It's 670 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,720 going to be as Moralda. I'm really 671 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,440 concerned about this. Thank you for your 672 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,318 time. 673 00:33:43,318 --> 00:33:50,710 [applause] 674 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,640 public. Any other public comment? 675 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,720 Okay, I'm seeing none. We'll move into 676 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,480 written comments. Written public 677 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,159 comments on items not on the agenda 678 00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:02,080 submitted in accordance with the public 679 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,840 comment submission procedure below will 680 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,159 be listed in order received. Uh written 681 00:34:06,159 --> 00:34:07,840 comments are on the Cloverdale Agenda 682 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,159 Center. Um you have access to all the 683 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:12,399 ones that came in. Um, so please if you 684 00:34:12,399 --> 00:34:13,599 need to see the written comments that 685 00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:15,119 came in for this agenda, they are on 686 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:18,879 there. Uh, moving to presentations. E1, 687 00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:21,200 receive a presentation on the measure DD 688 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,919 street rehab program. 689 00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:25,520 Thanks, Mayor. Uh, Derek is sick 690 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,440 tonight, so I'm going to take this one. 691 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,679 Um, Mike, there's Can you I think 692 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:33,040 there's a presentation. Um, so this was 693 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,760 a request to bring back what we've been 694 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:36,960 talking about what we're going to do 695 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,040 with measure DD. We've kind of committed 696 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,280 that we're going to use a majority of 697 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,159 that money to repair streets. We've been 698 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:45,440 working through what we think are the 699 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,679 worst streets. We have a list that we'd 700 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,320 like to present to the council. Um and 701 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,200 so we one of the our main goals out of 702 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,520 this is to try to get some 703 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,240 prioritization. We've listed them and 704 00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,880 kind of what we think uh could be a good 705 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,440 priority list, but we'd like to get some 706 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,079 input on that. There's two things going 707 00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:08,480 on here. We're going to be grinding and 708 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,160 repaving 709 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,320 um certain streets. And so the 710 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,839 assessment of those streets doesn't 711 00:35:13,839 --> 00:35:16,320 require a full reconstruction and we'll 712 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,359 go through those second. But the streets 713 00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:21,359 proposed for grind and repave are 714 00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:24,720 Jefferson Street from 4th to School 715 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:28,079 Street. Uh it's approximately n 39,000 716 00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:30,400 square ft of of new pavement. And 717 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,079 everyone knows Jefferson Street is in 718 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:33,520 terrible and all of these are in 719 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,359 terrible shape. So that's really why 720 00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:38,079 they're on here. Franklin Street from 721 00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:40,800 2nd to First Street, it's about 8,700 722 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,200 square ft². South Street, uh, from the 723 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,119 dead end to Cloverdale Boulevard, it's 724 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,200 approximately 15,000 ft² of new 725 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,800 pavement. And Hill View, um, from Tarman 726 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,359 to Cloverdale Boulevard. So those are 727 00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:54,800 ones that are probably a little cheaper 728 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,359 because they're not a complete redo. Um, 729 00:35:57,359 --> 00:36:00,240 but they're just a a grind and repave. 730 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,720 So that's Mike, is that you? So you have 731 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:04,400 that list up there. Yeah. So, you can 732 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,839 see the list and the order that we're 733 00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:10,320 proposing, but we're interested in 734 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,079 getting some uh some input on the the 735 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:19,030 order. 736 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,560 We can go through all of them and you 737 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,839 guys can think about it and then we can 738 00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:23,119 come back if that's easier. 739 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:23,920 >> Yeah, let's do that. 740 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,520 >> Okay. So, maybe you can advance the 741 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,190 slide, Mike. 742 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,960 The next section is the full 743 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,720 reconstruction. 744 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:37,920 And so this is more expensive, but 745 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,599 they're in the condition after our 746 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:46,000 assessment that they need um a complete um reconstruction. 747 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,280 So we've got uh I think that 748 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,560 I don't think that's the right list, but 749 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,119 yeah, 750 00:36:55,119 --> 00:37:00,310 keep going. 751 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,160 So I think you keep going if you can 752 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,280 Mike. The first one is Mayor Way. Mayor 753 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,599 Way from Hillview Drive to Brookside 754 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:12,550 Drive. It's approximately 14,000. 755 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,640 Okay, we'll keep working on it. I'll 756 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,520 just read them out. Um Tarman Drive, the 757 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,440 dead end to dead end, that's 758 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,160 approximately 25,000 square ft of new 759 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,440 pavement. Hill View. Um did we mention 760 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,560 Hill View already? 761 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:27,680 >> Yeah. 762 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,280 Okay. So, this is the second portion of 763 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,230 Hill VU from Clark to Tarman. 764 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:37,119 Uh, Rosewood Drive from Clark to Tarman. 765 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:40,240 It's about 24,000 square ft. There will 766 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,119 be also where where needed there'll be 767 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,079 ADA improvements. So, when we do a 768 00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:47,599 certain amount of work, we have to do 769 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:51,440 the ADA as well. Um, 770 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,040 hey Eric, can you come up? Maybe I can 771 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,119 just ask you what 772 00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:58,079 one of the streets requires the the 773 00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,640 potential tree removal and there's some 774 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,720 pretty big sycamore trees. We're going 775 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:05,599 to try to see if we can put root 776 00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:08,400 barriers in there, but just as a 777 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,839 consideration that that could 778 00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:11,200 potentially be Do you remember which one 779 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,440 that was, Eric? 780 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,079 >> Rosewood. 781 00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:16,640 >> Yeah, I think it was Rosewood and then 782 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,079 perhaps a section of um Hill View as 783 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,560 well. 784 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,079 So that's what we came up with. I mean, 785 00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:25,839 if you want to add more streets, that's 786 00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:27,839 now's the time to do that. Or we can 787 00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:30,320 just try to go through each one or try 788 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,000 to prioritize. If you're happy with the 789 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,160 prioritization, we can proceed with 790 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,480 that. As these move forward, we'll be 791 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,920 bringing um awards of bid. So you'll see 792 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,680 them again. You'll see the contract and 793 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,560 all that with the insurance. So I'll 794 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,960 just leave it there and maybe Mike will 795 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,880 start with the first. So this is the 796 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,960 street rib. This is the grind and 797 00:38:50,960 --> 00:39:04,710 repave. 798 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:06,480 » He said a lot of technical difficulties 799 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,800 and Zoom is also down. It's all kind of 800 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:15,270 failing at the same time here. 801 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,359 » Um, 802 00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:20,079 >> yeah, that that's good. 803 00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:25,030 random pave treatment scope. So, 804 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:46,390 » there's four. Yeah, four of them. 805 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,560 So, we are going to start on Franklin 806 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,720 that could potentially be done this 807 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,320 summer. We're pretty far along on 808 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,320 Franklin, just as a as a note. So, 809 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:54,640 that's 810 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,520 >> I didn't get to see it. 811 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,760 >> Probably that one is already kind of in 812 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,240 the design. So, 813 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,599 that probably would just be number one 814 00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:03,040 by default because we've already done 815 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:13,829 work on it. 816 00:40:13,839 --> 00:40:15,599 That works, Mike. That's fine. It It 817 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:25,430 lists some. 818 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,599 » So, do we need to I mean, we're I know 819 00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:30,240 we're waiting on slides. Do you want to 820 00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,320 >> This is the the ones I just mentioned 821 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,800 for the grind and repave which is the 822 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,839 cheaper um fix. So again, Franklin is 823 00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:41,839 already underway. So that's probably 824 00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:43,520 just naturally number one because we've 825 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:44,960 already decided to design work on that 826 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,240 and we're hoping to get that done this 827 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:47,760 summer. 828 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,640 The other three, if you know, if you're 829 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:55,359 okay with the order, we can just, you 830 00:40:55,359 --> 00:40:57,599 know, give this a blessing and move on. 831 00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:59,839 Uh, and then we'll be we're going to be 832 00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:01,680 working hard to get bids out to get 833 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,720 these done as as quick as possible. Um, 834 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:06,319 if there's any particular reason that 835 00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:08,560 you want to change the order on these, 836 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,960 let me know. Or we can just go with 837 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:16,400 Franklin first and work our way down. 838 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,920 >> Evan, you want to finish out this 839 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,920 presentation or each section, go by and 840 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,359 see what council ask because we've got 841 00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:22,880 so many different like lists here and 842 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:23,920 see what their priorities are. How do 843 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,200 you want to work it? Well, maybe we can 844 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,760 just look at this list and if we agree, 845 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,440 we can then move to the full 846 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,400 construction reconstruction. 847 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,040 >> I like the list. 848 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:43,589 >> Go ahead. 849 00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:45,119 » I'm sure you Yeah, we'll get to the 850 00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:47,680 public in one second. 851 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,359 >> Comments on that. 852 00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:51,359 >> My whole comment is because the mayor 853 00:41:51,359 --> 00:41:54,400 and I both wanted triplet done. Um, I'm 854 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,160 kind of wondering why triplet was left 855 00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:01,510 out. 856 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,599 » We could put triplet in if that's what 857 00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:06,480 the request is. Um, 858 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,400 we didn't think there was consensus for 859 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,839 triplet. And I mean, I'm seeing head 860 00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:12,560 shaking. 861 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,240 >> From what I remember, triplet was not on 862 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,319 the top list. It was on the list, but 863 00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:16,880 not one of the top. 864 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,079 >> We can add it though. We can add it 865 00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:22,880 right now if there's consensus for that. 866 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,359 I think it's kind of important to add it 867 00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:27,280 because um one of my neighbors was 868 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,119 concerned like if there's a fire and 869 00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:31,599 there's 99 apartments getting everybody 870 00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,800 out and we would need to use triplet and 871 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,640 have that barricade unlocked and it's 872 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,160 just like such 873 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:47,750 >> it's in bad shape for sure. Agreed. 874 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,440 » But I'd like to continue Kevin with 875 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,839 these. Sorry. I'll get and and I we can 876 00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:53,680 add triplet. Yeah, it it is in 877 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,240 disrepair, but I'd like to see the list 878 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,400 that we we have. Are you in agreement 879 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,160 with the other list on the if we add 880 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,119 triplet on there? 881 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:01,680 >> Definitely. 882 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,280 >> Okay. And council member, 883 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,680 >> yeah, I I agree, but I have questions on 884 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,839 like Jefferson Street, right? It just a 885 00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:10,079 grind and repave section and that 886 00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:15,119 street's historically isn't there like a creek that runs under there and it 887 00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:18,319 continually undermines that street. I 888 00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:20,240 would wonder if we if we're going to get 889 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:23,599 geological studies to, you know, I I 890 00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:25,520 hate to throw good money at bad money. 891 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,160 >> Yes. Um there is a creek under there 892 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,880 somewhere. Um 893 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,440 we did get kind of a ballark. 894 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,640 >> It needs to be done, but it just needs 895 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:35,599 to be done, right? 896 00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:37,520 >> It could be more expensive when we get 897 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:38,800 >> Well, yeah, it's definitely going to be 898 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,480 more expensive because we just I don't I 899 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,720 don't agree with grinding and repave 900 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,640 portion of it where it's going to fail 901 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,800 in five or 10 years. It's I think we 902 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:47,920 should 903 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,720 go to the go to the base, fix it from 904 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:51,839 the bottom up. 905 00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:53,520 >> Yeah, I mean certainly some of these 906 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,400 streets can switch over once we get we did do an initial assessment. We had 907 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,520 a ballpark figure on all of these um by 908 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,280 a local contractor who went looked at 909 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,960 all of them, but it it wasn't an 910 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,839 in-depth so there may be things 911 00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:10,079 Jefferson may go down to the next 912 00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:15,200 category as a complete redo. Um but if I 913 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,760 think we just want to get consensus that 914 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,280 these these streets Yeah. 915 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,319 >> And then a full reconstruction. 916 00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:24,640 Um you're saying Tarman gets a full 917 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,520 reconstruction and obviously a lot of 918 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,440 those pipes are old underneath there for 919 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,680 compaction. So, are we doing just the 920 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,599 top or what what's our you know that needs to be vetted out as well if 921 00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:37,280 we're going to do compaction and some of 922 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,480 those pipes are you know 40 50 years old 923 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,800 if they're clay asbestous laden and 924 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,160 they're not going to hold out that's 925 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,359 another thing that we need to do a 926 00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:46,640 deeper dive on. 927 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,480 >> We have to discuss that and it's a 928 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,640 possibility in the Tarman area that the 929 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,000 pipes um when when we get that 930 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,680 assessment we'll be back. Maybe there's 931 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,839 other funds that could be used to do the pipes. Uh there's impact fees. I 932 00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:00,400 don't know. 933 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,960 >> And just and just the overall u impact 934 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,880 for the community, especially on Tarman, 935 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,800 it's not very wide street. And when we 936 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,800 go to start paving that street, you're 937 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,480 talking probably over a hundred vehicles 938 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,960 that are going to be misplaced. So that 939 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,240 that's just going to have to be a little 940 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,319 bit of a community outreach on our part 941 00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:20,560 to make sure that uh that's vetted out 942 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:21,760 as well. 943 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,280 >> I do. And we're learning on First 944 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,119 Street. We learned a couple lessons on 945 00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:27,599 that. So we're going to continue to get 946 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:29,280 better. We're going to use the measure 947 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,920 DD signs and give people as much notice. 948 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,560 We knock on the doors, ma do mailers, do 949 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,520 everything to make it people as aware as 950 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,040 possible that what's going to happen in 951 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,750 front of their house. 952 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,599 Uh, thank you for this report. Looking 953 00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:49,119 at the top four that we have for the 954 00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:50,880 gran and repave. I'm glad to hear 955 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,160 Franklin's already started because we 956 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,200 were supposed to start that a while back 957 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,720 and I knew that Dererick was working on 958 00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:55,760 it. So, I'm glad to hear that it's 959 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,920 moving forward. I would agree with the 960 00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,680 Jefferson South and Hillview in that 961 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,440 order as you have it posted on the 962 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,480 agenda. Uh as for the portion of 963 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,680 Jefferson Street they're talking about 964 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,400 from Fourth Street to School Street, the 965 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,880 uh creek is to the south of that 966 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,040 portion. However, you don't know what 967 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,319 you're going to encounter. So, I think 968 00:46:14,319 --> 00:46:17,440 that we we plan for this but or hope for 969 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:18,720 this and plan for the worst and that's 970 00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:20,640 what we're going to find out. Uh when it 971 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,880 comes to Franklin and Jefferson South 972 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,560 and Hillview, these are very highly 973 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,160 trafficked areas. They're getting 974 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,960 probably a thousand cars a day each. And 975 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,800 so it it's pretty amazing how many cars 976 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,000 travel on these roads and how many 977 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,280 people it affects. 978 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,880 >> Uh when it comes to South Street, that's 979 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,680 your entrance into the Charmand. And so 980 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,400 that is terrible. That one probably has, 981 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,760 you know, 1 foot to 18 in uh differences 982 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,599 in elevation. And so I'm glad to see 983 00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:47,280 that's finally getting done. And then 984 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,040 the Hill View from Tan to the Boulevard, 985 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,480 that's always been terrible since the 986 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,760 60s. So that's good. Uh when you go into 987 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,480 the full reconstruction, that area has 988 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,160 it's needed it for a long time as we've 989 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,480 discussed from day one. 990 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,240 I would actually switch that order 991 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:03,200 though. 992 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,520 >> Um I would go 993 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,680 uh with Hillview, Tarman, Rosewood, 994 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,160 Mayor if you look at the way that we are 995 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,240 trafficked uh and the amount of people 996 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:15,599 it uh will take per day. 997 00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:18,319 So Hillview is number one. Okay. Arman 998 00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:21,280 2, Rosewood 3, mayor four is the 999 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,880 direction I would put on those. 1000 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:23,839 >> Okay. If there's 1001 00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:27,040 >> And as for triplet, um I don't dis I 1002 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,800 don't disagree that it needs to be on 1003 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,400 our list and it is on our list, just not 1004 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,400 on the top four. And so it should stay 1005 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,800 where it is and when it it gets in line, 1006 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,560 it's next. And it's due to traffic 1007 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,560 patterns and things like that. Okay. 1008 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,240 >> Yeah. Thanks, Kevin. Um I see that, you 1009 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:45,920 know, I like the Hill View. I would like 1010 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,480 to see Hillview completed all the way 1011 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,520 from the boulevard down. And also a 1012 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,119 couple questions, you know, and and this 1013 00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:54,400 goes along with what council member 1014 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,119 Laskkey said is is grind and and and 1015 00:47:57,119 --> 00:47:58,880 repave. What's the duration of that? You 1016 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,800 know what I mean? I want to make sure 1017 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,200 that these are being fixed for as 1018 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:08,880 longterm as we can get. Um, prior to me moving to Cloverdale and 1019 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,800 then getting to Cloverdale, these some 1020 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,119 of these that are on our list have been 1021 00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,040 complained about by the town. You know 1022 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,640 what I mean? Whether it's Jefferson, 1023 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,800 whether it's I mean Hillview, these have 1024 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,520 been whether you're on social media or 1025 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,040 you're just talking to people in town, 1026 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,880 these are streets that desperately need 1027 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,839 it. And it's highly traveled streets. 1028 00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:29,760 And in my opinion, you know, these we're 1029 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,599 finally getting we've got DD in there. 1030 00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:32,960 We've got some money and we're making 1031 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,559 progress on it. I want to see this move 1032 00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:36,800 forward pretty quickly. I would love to 1033 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,160 see some of these streets and we are 1034 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,760 doing that. Um but um and the other 1035 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,400 thing is is when we do Yes. It's going 1036 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,119 to disrupt cars. It's going to disrupt 1037 00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:48,800 parking. 1038 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,480 But that's where Cloverdale is going to 1039 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,319 have to kind of partner with us and and 1040 00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:54,160 give us a break here. If we're doing the 1041 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,079 roads that have been complained about so 1042 00:48:56,079 --> 00:48:58,079 many times and we're finally doing them, 1043 00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:00,079 give us a break. There may be a few days 1044 00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:02,000 where you're going to be put out on 1045 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,920 parking a little bit. Work with us. 1046 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,520 We're going to work with you on that. We 1047 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:06,640 can't we're not going to be able to 1048 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,480 accommodate every car and parking for 1049 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,240 everybody, but we are going to have your 1050 00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,880 street done. That's our that's our goal 1051 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,480 here. This is we've been pushing this 1052 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,559 for a couple since I came on council, 1053 00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:18,559 and I'm glad to see it moving forward. I 1054 00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:21,839 agree with the vice mayor's uh um list 1055 00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:24,160 on the the complete redo on that. I 1056 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,760 would like to see that list go Hillview 1057 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,119 and and whatever you came up with. That 1058 00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:28,559 was one. I didn't have time to write it 1059 00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:31,440 down. But, uh, we are moving forward 1060 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,240 and, uh, you know, we do have a we do 1061 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,000 have a a turnaround coming up on council 1062 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,440 and I hope they continue to push this 1063 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:38,720 through because this is a priority for 1064 00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:40,480 the city of getting these fixed. We we 1065 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:41,599 gave you our word. We're going to do it 1066 00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:42,720 and that's what we're working on right 1067 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:44,960 now. So, bear with us. We may have you 1068 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,480 park different. We may do different 1069 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,000 things, but work with us. We'll work 1070 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,240 with you. 1071 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:51,599 >> Kevin, just one more thing for you or 1072 00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:53,359 Derek, whoever gets to this. when you're 1073 00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:56,480 working on Jefferson Street uh between 1074 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,160 school and fourth 1075 00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:58,640 >> Mhm. 1076 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,440 >> there's an area that doesn't have a curb 1077 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,000 and the worry that I had a few months 1078 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,119 back was that we're going to have to do 1079 00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:07,119 some type of imminent domain uh for 1080 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,119 these driveways because there's a a 1081 00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:11,040 large I believe it's like a olive tree 1082 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,319 or something out on the sidewalk where 1083 00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:14,079 it would be things along those lines. 1084 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,319 And I really want want to make sure that 1085 00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:17,839 hopefully we don't have to do that. 1086 00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:18,720 Hopefully we don't have to worry about 1087 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,319 ADA and things in that area. And as much 1088 00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:21,599 as I appreciate it, that's someone's 1089 00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:22,960 land and that's a big fight that I don't 1090 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,880 want to have to have and I don't want to 1091 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,040 uh have to make some community members 1092 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,559 mad with that. So, if we can look into 1093 00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:30,400 that before we really start that project 1094 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,720 that we're doing our due diligence and 1095 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,280 preparing the the community properly 1096 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,000 with that one. 1097 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,240 >> I just want to add that uh the full 1098 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:42,240 reconstruct list does include sewer, 1099 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:45,599 water, and storm drain where necessary. 1100 00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:48,800 Um so that was part of what they were 1101 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,960 Yeah. Thank you. 1102 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,520 Thanks, Mayor. If I may, a quick 1103 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,000 question. Uh, City Manager Thompson, uh, 1104 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,520 what is the time frame that you'd expect 1105 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,079 for these four projects 1106 00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,720 as proposed? 1107 00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:06,000 >> Well, um, I don't exactly know. I mean, 1108 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,079 we're getting Franklin done and I know 1109 00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:10,079 Derek is working hard. We've got extra 1110 00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:13,520 help now with Eric, so we want to get as 1111 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,839 much done this summer and just get it 1112 00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:17,520 all lined up. So, I I don't have a great 1113 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,200 answer for you, but I can get back back 1114 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,079 to you guys for 1115 00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:22,559 >> some of these might start this year. 1116 00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:24,000 >> I think it's the interruption would be 1117 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,160 the winter and then they would pick up 1118 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,040 in the spring. 1119 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:27,440 >> Correct. 1120 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,760 >> Um and it looks like if you know the 1121 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,760 with these four projects, you know, if 1122 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,160 they were to um you know, one or two 1123 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,400 this year, the other two can get done 1124 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,440 next year. So, um I think uh one of the 1125 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,960 questions I would have just um 1126 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,440 uh around a contingency amount for 1127 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,839 unexpected circumstances if um there 1128 00:51:47,839 --> 00:51:50,559 were to be um I guess it's maybe like 1129 00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:52,960 our fourth choice could get just pushed 1130 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,119 a little farther, but um you know, the 1131 00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:56,880 fact that the DD money is rolling in 1132 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,480 consistently, 1133 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,800 that push out's not going to be too far 1134 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,920 out. So, um I mean it looks good that 1135 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,079 these are lined up if if um you know I 1136 00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:10,400 guess uh I like them and uh u excited to 1137 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,640 get working on the next bunch. So, looks 1138 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:13,680 like it's all going to kind of happen 1139 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:14,319 pretty quick. 1140 00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:16,480 >> We generally put a 10% contingency in 1141 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,559 the when we award the bid um in the 1142 00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:22,640 contract, but what I'll do is maybe 1143 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,160 we'll just keep this on the radar and 1144 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,000 I'll keep you guys updated either 1145 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,400 through my weekly or we can reagendize 1146 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,000 this for a later 1147 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,119 >> later. Sounds great. Yeah, it looks 1148 00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:32,559 like, you know, even if there was 1149 00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:34,480 something um you know, with some 1150 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,440 underwater flows or, you know, some 1151 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,680 other circumstances that we can run 1152 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,240 into, the delay is not going to be um 1153 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:45,839 that great. So, I like it. Thanks. 1154 00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:47,680 >> I have a question. Um two of us said 1155 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,400 triplet, vice mayor said no to triplet. 1156 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,920 So, where does triplet stand? 1157 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,200 >> We're putting triplet on the list. 1158 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,079 >> We're going to what? 1159 00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:55,200 >> Triplet is 1160 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:55,839 >> Oh, yes. 1161 00:52:55,839 --> 00:52:57,760 >> Yeah. We we'll we'll put triplet on 1162 00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,839 here. We'll have Derek take have the 1163 00:52:59,839 --> 00:53:01,680 contractor take a look at it, start 1164 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,480 working on getting estimates and 1165 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,760 >> yeah, so that would be 1166 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:06,400 >> Thank you. 1167 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,119 >> triplet would likely be a next year 1168 00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:10,240 summer 1169 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:12,079 >> endeavor. 1170 00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:14,720 >> Maybe the next step is we'll try to get 1171 00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:18,160 some time frames and I mean one of the 1172 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,079 we we the money is rolling in but some 1173 00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:20,960 of these are going to be really 1174 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:21,599 expensive. 1175 00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:22,000 >> Okay. 1176 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,599 >> So that's what I was just going to 1177 00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:26,319 comment is you're you're talking 10 1178 00:53:26,319 --> 00:53:27,920 years worth of list. This isn't just a 1179 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,680 next year thing unless we're going to be 1180 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,520 going and and borrowing money 1181 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,599 >> borrowing money against it. 1182 00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:35,359 >> If you try to do pay as you go, this 1183 00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:37,359 list is going to take us my lifetime. 1184 00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:39,359 >> So, we have to think about other ways to 1185 00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:40,720 handle this. It's just the way it is. 1186 00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:42,400 >> Well, we're I think we're getting we're 1187 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,160 getting slowly there. We got streets. I 1188 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,000 think what we keep this maybe in the 1189 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,960 next couple agendas ahead. 1190 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,480 We talked about the borrowing the money. 1191 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,640 I think we kind of want to do a payo, 1192 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,520 but let's um we did get some ballpark on 1193 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,440 these and we were pretty encouraged by 1194 00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,520 the ballpark figures from a local 1195 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,520 contractor. So again, there's just so 1196 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,440 many unknowns as Council Member Alaski 1197 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,960 said. So, um you know, maybe we come 1198 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,040 back and say these ones are easier, they 1199 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,319 need less in-depth work. Let's knock 1200 00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:15,119 those out. or well, my point is I'm I'm 1201 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:16,480 glad that we've got some kind of 1202 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,400 consensus on what we're doing and we'll 1203 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,559 just keep the tabs on the money and come 1204 00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:24,559 back and report back on the progress. 1205 00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:26,160 >> Thank you. 1206 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,800 >> Any other comment up here? Any comment 1207 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,000 from the public on this item? 1208 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:38,302 >> Please come down if you could. 1209 00:54:38,312 --> 00:54:40,470 [snorts] 1210 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,000 First off, thank you for finally 1211 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,200 addressing this issue. I've heard a lot of complaints from different 1212 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,559 people over the years. Um, who are the 1213 00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:50,720 people who have bid and have you chosen 1214 00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:53,119 a a company to do it? 1215 00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:56,559 >> No, each project will go to formal bid 1216 00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:58,640 and then as we award the bids, the 1217 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,160 council actually has to approve those 1218 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,599 bids. So, we're just trying to get a 1219 00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:03,203 list together. We did have like a 1220 00:55:03,203 --> 00:55:03,359 [clears throat] 1221 00:55:03,359 --> 00:55:04,880 >> So, you're not to the bidding part? 1222 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,200 >> No, no, no. Each each project will come 1223 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,520 back to council with a dollar amount and 1224 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,520 they have to award the bid ultimately. 1225 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:20,230 >> Okay, great. Thank you. 1226 00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:23,119 » Uh Daniel Frankston, I know Derek's not 1227 00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:25,680 here and um I know the issue of bonding 1228 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,280 out the double D money is something 1229 00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,200 that's going to be possibly addressed at 1230 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,839 a future agenda. Um, I believe it was 1231 00:55:31,839 --> 00:55:34,800 requested back when the bonding issue 1232 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,559 first came up in June or May that we see 1233 00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:41,359 a map. There were a series of maps with 1234 00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:44,160 a one-year bond, 5year, 10-year bond. 1235 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,880 And what I had requested and I believe 1236 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,799 other council members as well would be 1237 00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:50,480 to see what the progress would be if you 1238 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,960 do the pay as you go because ultimately 1239 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,200 you're looking at was it 20-year payback 1240 00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,440 period? Well, what would the streets 1241 00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:58,960 what would the accomplishments be if 1242 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,520 they were done one street at a time over 1243 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,839 period uh pay as you go? And the other 1244 00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:05,040 thing that I think would be really 1245 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,599 helpful is if there were a page on the 1246 00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:10,000 Cloverdale net website that address 1247 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,559 specifically doubled the the revenues 1248 00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:14,319 that's coming in and the proposed 1249 00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:16,079 expenditures. That way people could know 1250 00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:17,760 as they go. They could say, "Oh, I see 1251 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,040 where I am on the list." Because I hear 1252 00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,799 people all the time saying, "How come 1253 00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:23,040 Mayor's on the list and San Antonio is 1254 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,480 not on the list, etc." And there are 1255 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,319 valid reasons for it, but I think it'd 1256 00:56:26,319 --> 00:56:27,839 be very helpful for the public if there 1257 00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:29,280 were a page where people could access. 1258 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,040 They could just see what's going on, 1259 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,799 where things stand both financially and 1260 00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:34,880 in terms of construction and future 1261 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,400 construction plans. That's all. Thank 1262 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:37,280 you. 1263 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,040 >> And uh Mayor, if I may, just wanted to 1264 00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,359 reiterate on um Daniel Frankston's 1265 00:56:41,359 --> 00:56:45,520 comment. I just want to confirm that was a 10-year pay as you go option 1266 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:51,670 to be considered as well. 1267 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,799 » The longest period 1268 00:56:54,799 --> 00:56:56,000 Yeah, I would definitely like to see a 1269 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,880 10-year pay as you go option as well. 1270 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,839 >> If I if I may, I think we did discuss 1271 00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:04,000 the the borrowing the money and doing 1272 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,920 the bonds, but I think once we had the 1273 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,520 local contractor take a look at the 1274 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,119 streets we identified, we were 1275 00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:11,359 encouraged at the at the cost and we 1276 00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:13,520 thought that maybe the payo would be 1277 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:13,920 better 1278 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:14,880 >> pay as you go option. 1279 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,880 >> Um that I think that was what we did, 1280 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,720 but we can still bring back that 1281 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,480 discussion if we want to. I I support 1282 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,200 the pay as you go option. 1283 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:24,880 Kevin, I would definitely request that 1284 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,559 we bring back what the advisers had 1285 00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:28,400 showed us for the for the bonding 1286 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,160 because that the percentage was so low 1287 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,400 right now that it was actually cost 1288 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,040 effective to bond out versus pay as you 1289 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,359 go because of the cost of construction 1290 00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:39,520 going up. I'll contact them and get 1291 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:47,430 updated numbers and bring that back. 1292 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,119 » Seeing none, any other comments from the 1293 00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:52,079 public on this item? Seeing none. Right. 1294 00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:55,520 Thank you. Are you done, Kevin, on that? 1295 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:56,240 >> Yes. Thank you. 1296 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,280 >> Okay. Thank you. 1297 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,520 >> Uh consent calendar. All items under the 1298 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:02,880 consent calendar will be considered 1299 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,200 together by one action of the city 1300 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:06,880 council unless any council member or 1301 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,559 member of the public requests an item be 1302 00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:11,280 removed and considered separately. Do we 1303 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:12,160 have anybody? 1304 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,680 >> I'd like to pull item F4. 1305 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,240 >> F4. 1306 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:22,319 >> And I would like to pull item F1. 1307 00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:25,760 I would request to pull item F3 and F5. 1308 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,480 >> So, so the entire consent calendar, 1309 00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,400 let's just work our way down from F 1310 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:38,150 starting at F1. 1311 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:38,720 » I mean, 1312 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,200 >> I can actually do a motion to if you'd 1313 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,280 like for F2 and get that one out of the 1314 00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:44,640 way. That would be done. That's the only 1315 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:45,440 one that's not pulled. 1316 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,359 >> Okay, let's do a motion. Get F2 approve 1317 00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:48,079 F2. 1318 00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:51,440 >> Um, sorry, I meant F5. I wrote the wrong 1319 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,200 one down. Sorry. 1320 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,520 >> So, then I would make the motion to move 1321 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,400 uh to [snorts] approve F2 and F4. 1322 00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,359 >> So, not F4. 1323 00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:01,920 >> Second that. 1324 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,599 >> Take it to a vote. Approving F2 or 1325 00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:08,000 >> Thank you, Mayor. F2 and F4. 1326 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,200 >> F4. 1327 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,559 >> All in favor say I. 1328 00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:10,880 >> I. 1329 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,720 >> Oh, no. F2 and F4. 1330 00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,079 >> F5 was pulled. 1331 00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:14,880 >> No. 1332 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:15,680 >> Pulled by you. 1333 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,119 >> Yeah. I was pulled. 1334 00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:18,559 >> Is F4 pulled? 1335 00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:19,280 >> No. 1336 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,200 Item F2 and F4. 1337 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,280 >> Still active. That's the motion. 1338 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:24,480 >> All in favor say I. 1339 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:25,200 >> I. 1340 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,079 >> All oppose say nay. 1341 00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:30,319 >> So So mayor, we got to move now to the 1342 00:59:30,319 --> 00:59:32,799 public hearing out of order. Oh um just 1343 00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:34,400 because it's around 7 o'clock and we're 1344 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,559 supposed to do that exactly at 7 and 1345 00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:39,839 then we can come back to the um the 1346 00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:41,760 items from consent that were 1347 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,839 >> we are going to move into item G and 1348 00:59:43,839 --> 00:59:45,599 come back to the consent calendar and 1349 00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:48,559 the items that are pulled. Uh we are 1350 00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:51,920 going to move into G1 and it is public 1351 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,359 hearing to receive community input 1352 00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:55,040 regarding district boundaries for 1353 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,440 districtbased elections. 1354 00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,920 >> Thank you, mayor. Um I'll be brief. I'm 1355 00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:02,559 not sure if Zoom is is back up running. 1356 01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:05,599 It is. Um so in a minute, our the city's 1357 01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:07,839 uh demographer is online and is going to 1358 01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:10,240 walk through the mapping software we 1359 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,040 have. Um just a brief recap as the 1360 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,720 council knows in response to 1361 01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,079 really check. Are they the EWWE erb? 1362 01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:21,760 That's the only person on there. 1363 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,280 >> No, let me see. 1364 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:24,880 >> That's why I didn't promote you yet. 1365 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,720 >> Um, 1366 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,520 uh, uh, 1367 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,079 >> WWE, 1368 01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:35,520 >> it's not the I'll text them one sec. But 1369 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,349 um 1370 01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:41,839 so as the council knows in response to 1371 01:00:41,839 --> 01:00:44,400 demand letter and very un sort of 1372 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,839 unfavorable past legal decisions um the 1373 01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:51,280 city council uh adopted a resolution of 1374 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,280 intent to transition to district-based 1375 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,680 elections where individual council 1376 01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,960 members will be elected from individual 1377 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,040 districts not citywide. Um there will be 1378 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,040 you know this election in November will 1379 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,520 continue to be at large. All three 1380 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,799 members will be elected at large but in 1381 01:01:10,799 --> 01:01:13,599 2028 and thereafter it will be uh by 1382 01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:15,839 districts. So there will be a period of 1383 01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:18,400 time um where some members on on the 1384 01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,799 council are elected at large and some 1385 01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:24,640 are elected by districts. Uh but by 2030 1386 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,119 everyone will be elected by districts. 1387 01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:28,960 Um, 1388 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,680 so one one question that we want 1389 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,920 direction from the council on on tonight 1390 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:38,160 is whether or not to uh transition well 1391 01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,559 proceed with a directly elected mayor. 1392 01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:42,640 That's an option for a general law city 1393 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,319 and that's something that the council 1394 01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:45,839 can do as part of this transition 1395 01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:48,319 process. Um why we ask for that 1396 01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:49,760 direction tonight is if you have a 1397 01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,520 directly elected mayor, you would then 1398 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,559 have four council members elected from 1399 01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:58,000 districts. If you have uh no directly 1400 01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,760 elected mayor and it continues to be 1401 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,160 just someone elected by the council, 1402 01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,319 then we need five districts. So, we want 1403 01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:06,079 the council and the public to know how 1404 01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:08,319 many districts they should be drawing. 1405 01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:09,920 Um 1406 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,920 that is the main uh point I would add. 1407 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,520 The other thing is just the the 1408 01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,000 sequencing of election. Normally when we 1409 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,280 go through this process, people are 1410 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,440 really focused on the districts, but we 1411 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,000 also need to decide which districts will 1412 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,960 get elected when. So, because there's 1413 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,920 three atlarge council members going to 1414 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,559 be elected in 2026, 1415 01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:34,720 in 2028, 1416 01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,680 um if there is no directly elected 1417 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,599 mayor, that would mean two districts 1418 01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:41,599 will be up for election then and three 1419 01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:44,799 will be up in 2030. If you decide to 1420 01:02:44,799 --> 01:02:47,760 proceed with a directly elected mayor in 1421 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,520 2028, 1422 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,520 it would be one person elected from a uh 1423 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,200 district, one of the four districts, and 1424 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,559 then the mayor. Um, and then in 2028, 1425 01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:00,960 the other three districts. Um, one thing 1426 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,839 I forgot to mention about the directly 1427 01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:05,920 elected mayor. It can be either under 1428 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,079 state law, you can have a directly 1429 01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:11,599 elected mayor, um, who is elected by the 1430 01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:13,520 voters for either a two-year term or a 1431 01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,359 four-year term. So, you don't need to 1432 01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:18,480 decide that tonight. uh that is 1433 01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,079 something you can decide later on in 1434 01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:23,119 this process, but we really do want 1435 01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:25,440 direction on whether or not you want uh 1436 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,200 to proceed with a directly elected 1437 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,680 mayor. Um in in the staff report, I 1438 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,400 don't have the number directly right off 1439 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,400 hand, but you see it's a it allows the 1440 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,319 districts to be, you know, a couple 1441 01:03:38,319 --> 01:03:40,640 hundred people bigger per district if 1442 01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,400 you go with a directly elected mayor 1443 01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,720 because you're dividing the city by four 1444 01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:48,480 rather than five. Um 1445 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:53,440 so um uh the consultant is having to re 1446 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,599 uh log back in so he should be on and 1447 01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:59,839 then after tonight maybe tomorrow but if 1448 01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:03,440 not by Monday there will be uh links to 1449 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,359 this online tool where the public and 1450 01:04:05,359 --> 01:04:09,440 council members can draw maps. Um, and 1451 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,839 there will be both an electronic tool 1452 01:04:11,839 --> 01:04:14,799 and good old-fashioned PDF that you can 1453 01:04:14,799 --> 01:04:18,160 print out. The PDF you'll see does have 1454 01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:19,760 population 1455 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,079 um areas, but it can't be, you know, 1456 01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:23,839 it's one piece of paper, so it can't be 1457 01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:28,319 as granular granular. The uh online 1458 01:04:28,319 --> 01:04:30,480 tool, it's is much more specific, and 1459 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:35,039 you'll see you're able to um uh do that 1460 01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:37,520 as you go. uh it will it will adjust as 1461 01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,000 you go. So our our next public hearing 1462 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:44,319 is scheduled for um September 9th uh 1463 01:04:44,319 --> 01:04:47,599 which uh we are required to publish all 1464 01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:49,839 of the maps that might be considered 1465 01:04:49,839 --> 01:04:52,960 than 7 days ahead of time. So maps um 1466 01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,839 will be published on this website uh no 1467 01:04:55,839 --> 01:04:58,160 later than September 2nd. We really 1468 01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,520 encourage you to submit maps um by 1469 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,760 August 31st because that gives the 1470 01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:05,359 demographer 1471 01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:07,680 um time to check and say, "Hey, you you 1472 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,440 missed you drew a map of five districts 1473 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,520 and you left out, you know, this area. 1474 01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,359 What do you want to do?" Like to make 1475 01:05:13,359 --> 01:05:15,520 sure you can get a proper map in. It 1476 01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,039 gives them a little bit of time to do 1477 01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:22,400 that. Um and uh with that I know Mike is 1478 01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:26,000 do you see if Justin is able to have log 1479 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,039 back in? 1480 01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:30,480 >> Let's see. Are we waiting on a 1481 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:31,280 presentation here? 1482 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:47,270 >> Yeah. 1483 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:53,029 on the EW. 1484 01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:54,640 » So, Alex, are we just waiting on 1485 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:55,280 >> Yeah. 1486 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:56,720 >> WBB to 1487 01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:57,039 >> or 1488 01:05:57,039 --> 01:05:59,440 >> I don't think that's him. 1489 01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:00,160 >> Okay. 1490 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,119 >> So, one thing I mean, we can 1491 01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:04,880 take public comment if you'd want. One 1492 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,960 thing I'd notice if we're not able to do 1493 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,280 this tonight, there will also be PDF 1494 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,359 instructions on the website of exactly 1495 01:06:11,359 --> 01:06:16,559 how to use this online tool. Um, and it allows you to draw the maps. it will 1496 01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:20,400 address, you know, it's you drop each district's a different color and it 1497 01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,640 will automatically adjust the population 1498 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,359 as you go um and let you know when you 1499 01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:28,960 are above uh the target population 1500 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,559 because 1501 01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:32,640 um the goal is to have equal districts. 1502 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,079 They're allowed to be different by a 1503 01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:36,400 certain amount, but to have equal 1504 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,839 districts. Um so with that, maybe I'll 1505 01:06:39,839 --> 01:06:41,520 see if there's any questions from the 1506 01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,400 council at this point. 1507 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,681 >> Thank you, Mayor. Um really 1508 01:06:46,681 --> 01:06:47,520 [clears throat] just going to kind of 1509 01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:51,359 come back to um alternatives. 1510 01:06:51,359 --> 01:06:53,200 Um and this is a question for our city 1511 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:57,280 attorney. Um can you relate to us in the 1512 01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,079 public the status of any current or 1513 01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,440 denied or past bills that would uh limit 1514 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,119 this to a certain population? 1515 01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:07,440 >> Yes. So there there was a piece of 1516 01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,960 legislation proposed this year um that 1517 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,920 would set a cap. I believe it was 50,000 1518 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,559 or smaller um that has died so it will 1519 01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:19,760 not be adopted list legislative cycle. 1520 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:23,599 Um there's another piece of legislation 1521 01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:26,240 uh that is still alive or at least it 1522 01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,359 was you know two weeks ago um that would 1523 01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:31,680 sort of in some ways strengthen the the 1524 01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,240 CV and make it harder for for local 1525 01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,119 agencies that more complicated process 1526 01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:40,400 that was alive still two weeks ago. Um, 1527 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,119 so it doesn't mean that in the future, 1528 01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:46,559 um, the legislature won't create a a 1529 01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:48,400 carveout for small cities. They haven't 1530 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,480 yet and they won't do it. It's clear 1531 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,119 that won't happen this year. 1532 01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:56,319 >> Um, just based on how long this has been 1533 01:07:56,319 --> 01:07:57,920 going on and they haven't done it yet. 1534 01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:58,960 You know, I don't have a lot of faith 1535 01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,880 in. So my thoughts on this you know is 1536 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,839 that u you know the direction is that we 1537 01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:05,760 or the recommendation let's say is that 1538 01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,599 there's not much that we can do to fight 1539 01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:09,440 this unless we had large large bank 1540 01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,359 account and still even then you know it 1541 01:08:11,359 --> 01:08:14,559 might just be burning our money so um I 1542 01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:17,120 think you know adopting it sends a 1543 01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,679 signal you know so I think if if that's 1544 01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:21,520 going to be the record it would be a 1545 01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:26,719 good idea to um express our feelings as 1546 01:08:26,719 --> 01:08:29,279 a council um I think we 1547 01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:31,520 express our letters uh to you know 1548 01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,839 Senator Magcguire, I would say Assembly 1549 01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:36,480 Member Chris Rogers and uh Damon Connley 1550 01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:39,600 as well. Um, I think that we should get 1551 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,319 on the record and and express our our 1552 01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:44,719 dissatisfaction if if our council does 1553 01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:46,640 feel that way that uh, you know, maybe 1554 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,080 that we can get some momentum with some 1555 01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,159 other cities that are sort of kind of 1556 01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:52,640 pushed into this and um, if the 1557 01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,520 discussion around the numbers is um, an 1558 01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,679 issue of equity, you know, that that 1559 01:08:57,679 --> 01:08:59,920 might be the case for a city of, you 1560 01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:03,759 know, uh, over 50,000 or maybe 40,000. 1561 01:09:03,759 --> 01:09:06,159 Uh but for a city of 9,000, I think it 1562 01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:09,759 causes um some some harm to the quality 1563 01:09:09,759 --> 01:09:12,719 of our council. So um that's my thoughts 1564 01:09:12,719 --> 01:09:14,000 on this before proceeding. 1565 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,679 >> And certainly if if that's the direction 1566 01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:18,640 we could bring back a separate item at 1567 01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,400 the next hearing for you to approve or frankly at a sooner meeting just on 1568 01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,120 consent for you to approve a a letter to 1569 01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:26,719 >> and is is that something that you would 1570 01:09:26,719 --> 01:09:28,799 be able to assemble and 1571 01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:30,159 >> absolutely if that's the direction of 1572 01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:31,199 the council 1573 01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:33,359 >> send a letter opposing this. Yeah, let's 1574 01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:35,199 do it. Let's put that on a future 1575 01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:35,839 agenda. 1576 01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:38,880 >> Can we talk about it first? Okay. I I 1577 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,480 think this is something we have to do 1578 01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:42,319 and if we had done it sooner, we 1579 01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:45,199 wouldn't have to pay the money to 1580 01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:48,480 attorney. So, why waste more staff time 1581 01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:50,480 on this? We're stuck doing it. So why 1582 01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:54,640 are we writing to uh Assemblyman Rogers 1583 01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,040 and other people, you know, just like 1584 01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,239 cut our losses and just go ahead and get 1585 01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:02,000 the job done because we don't have any 1586 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,640 choice. So writing letters to people to 1587 01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,199 me is a waste of staff time. 1588 01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:08,880 >> Any other comments? 1589 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,040 >> So as we move towards districts that 1590 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,800 this is going to go through, are all 1591 01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,040 cities in Sonoma County district-based? 1592 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,920 >> Uh not all yet. Uh they have come from 1593 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,920 most of them. I I believe Sebastal and 1594 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,640 Katad still are at large, but the rest 1595 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,480 of the cities have had that transition 1596 01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:25,760 in the last couple years. 1597 01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,000 >> And Sebastul and Katadyat are on par 1598 01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:28,880 with our uh 1599 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:29,920 >> about our same size, 1600 01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:30,640 >> same size, 1601 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:31,760 >> give or take. 1602 01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,199 >> Okay. And as we move forward with this 1603 01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:36,960 to, you know, quote unquote avoid 1604 01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,208 litigation for the city and 1605 01:10:39,208 --> 01:10:40,320 [clears throat] people start, you know, 1606 01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:41,840 want to get involved and start drawing 1607 01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,760 maps. So I would say access to people 1608 01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,560 who don't have access is going to be a 1609 01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,000 big issue. So I I would think that uh 1610 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,960 maybe we do some kind of presentation 1611 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,760 with you know PDFs, people who can fill 1612 01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,440 them out manually versus online or let 1613 01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:06,400 the uh library have access to uh a 1614 01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,880 certain page so some people can go get 1615 01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,719 help from uh the library librarians and 1616 01:11:12,719 --> 01:11:15,440 go that way. So that we just need to do 1617 01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:17,760 public outreach to know to let people 1618 01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,000 know why this is happening and how to go 1619 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,679 about it. 1620 01:11:21,679 --> 01:11:25,920 >> That's a a great comment. Um the the PDF 1621 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,440 uh 1622 01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:29,040 I forgot to mention, you know, someone 1623 01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,520 can get physical copies from city hall 1624 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,880 if they want of the PDF. Um we can look 1625 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,480 into giving some copies to the um 1626 01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:40,480 library as well so they have those on 1627 01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:42,560 hand if people want want to get those 1628 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,070 there. 1629 01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:47,520 Yeah, we also have a computer in the 1630 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,679 city hall li uh lobby that they could 1631 01:11:49,679 --> 01:11:52,239 use as well and get get assistance from 1632 01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:54,880 uh our front desk. Uh out of out of 1633 01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:56,560 California, how many cities have been 1634 01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,320 successful in going against the 1635 01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,640 litigation, fighting this attorney and 1636 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:01,199 winning? I 1637 01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:03,040 >> I'm not aware of any. 1638 01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:04,880 >> And at this point, how much money do you 1639 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,600 think it's going to cost us just for 1640 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,040 that litigation where we're at right 1641 01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,120 now? um because I think there's a 1642 01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:12,560 minimum on how much he has won. 1643 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,800 >> So he if because we went through this 1644 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:18,400 process and adopted the um 1645 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,120 uh our resolution of intent, state law 1646 01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,280 caps the amount of attorneys fees that 1647 01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:24,880 we would have to pay this person who 1648 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:29,040 submitted it. Um in the law it's $30,000 1649 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,520 adjusted for inflation which that was 1650 01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,000 back in 2018. So it brings it to about 1651 01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:38,080 $40,000. And then um there's also a cost 1652 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:39,920 for the demographer of I forget the 1653 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,719 exact amount. Let's say 25,000. So it 1654 01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:45,679 comes out to about $65,000 1655 01:12:45,679 --> 01:12:46,560 or so. 1656 01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,719 >> And if we don't move forward and we push 1657 01:12:48,719 --> 01:12:51,360 this into the just the beginning stages 1658 01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,080 of litigation. 1659 01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,400 Um it would be costly. I mean I don't 1660 01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,040 the litigation where it becomes costly 1661 01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:02,320 is that the the plaintiff's fees are 1662 01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,080 going to be way higher than 40,000. 1663 01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,120 Right? They're they're going to say, "I 1664 01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,480 spent a million dollars on this." And uh 1665 01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:12,159 you know, they might those will get cut 1666 01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:14,239 down, but they'll have more attorneys 1667 01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:15,840 fees. They'll no longer be subject to 1668 01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,560 the cap given the very low likelihood 1669 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,199 where it's really just paying the person 1670 01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:22,159 more money. 1671 01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:23,440 >> And that's my point that I want to make 1672 01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:25,360 sure the public knows that this council 1673 01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,199 doesn't want this to happen. It's 1674 01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:28,719 terrible for our community. We all 1675 01:13:28,719 --> 01:13:31,360 understand and agree that we don't want 1676 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,840 or need districts. It's going to hurt us 1677 01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,280 in every way in my opinion. Uh but we 1678 01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:38,719 don't have a choice at this point and 1679 01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:40,560 hopefully in the future that changes, 1680 01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,040 but right now we have to go through it 1681 01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,080 because we don't have the money in 1682 01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:45,520 general fund to sit and fight it when 1683 01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:46,880 you're talking about millions within 1684 01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,840 months and that's the sad part. So, our 1685 01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,520 hands are tied and we're moving forward 1686 01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,679 with something. And I hope everybody uh 1687 01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:55,199 doesn't hold this one against us, but 1688 01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:57,120 actually kind of supports us and pushes 1689 01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,440 back against your state to do the right 1690 01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:01,040 things with the laws that they are 1691 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,199 moving forward or not moving forward 1692 01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:05,280 with like they had the ability to do and 1693 01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,600 they didn't. So, this is where we need 1694 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,159 our community also to reach out to Mike 1695 01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:12,719 Maguire and Chris Rogers and Damon 1696 01:14:12,719 --> 01:14:14,480 Connelly and anyone else that you can 1697 01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:17,520 reach out to. Uh, and I'll just add one 1698 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,960 thing that the demographer uh told us an 1699 01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:22,880 example when we had a meeting with him a 1700 01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,280 few weeks ago of a small district that 1701 01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,040 got one of these letters had an open 1702 01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,600 seat on the the board and they wanted to 1703 01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,840 show, hey, don't don't come after us. 1704 01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,199 Look, we have an open seat that we'll 1705 01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:36,159 try to get someone here. They went 1706 01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:38,239 through this process, did all this uh, 1707 01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:40,000 you know, advertisement of trying to get 1708 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:45,120 people to to fill out. No one uh 1709 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,199 submitted a ballot. No one submitted to 1710 01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:48,960 be appointed. There was no interest in 1711 01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:50,320 being appointed. You know, sort of the 1712 01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,679 whole purpose of the the redistricting 1713 01:14:53,679 --> 01:14:55,120 is that you're trying to get people who 1714 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:56,960 are maybe otherwise not being elected 1715 01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:58,880 and no one even submitted to be 1716 01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:02,560 appointed. Um and this same plaintiff 1717 01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,400 sued them for taking too long in 1718 01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,199 starting the process. they lost that 1719 01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:09,040 because there's a a deadline in state 1720 01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,520 law and they had missed it and uh you 1721 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:12,880 know they end up having to pay a lot 1722 01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,840 more money because of that. 1723 01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,239 >> All right. So we do have we know there's 1724 01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:20,080 still a there's a glimmer of hope with 1725 01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:21,440 the bill. There's still one alive. 1726 01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:22,880 Correct. 1727 01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,600 >> It it would the one that's live does not 1728 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,280 >> lower it down. I think if there's any 1729 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:28,800 hope it's in the future that the 1730 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,719 legislature might change it and make 1731 01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:31,840 allow us to switch. 1732 01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:33,040 >> Just wanted to make sure that was clear. 1733 01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:34,800 And as far as sending a letter to the 1734 01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,520 folks, I think that's a good idea. We've 1735 01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,199 got to say Cloverdale's at the table and 1736 01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:40,880 this is what we're thinking. We oppose 1737 01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:42,880 it. But is it going to go through? 1738 01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,880 Probably. I agree with the vice mayor. I 1739 01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:46,480 agree with this is going to this is 1740 01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:48,560 going to jack Cloverdale all up on this. 1741 01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,400 You know what I mean? But it's something 1742 01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,400 that Cloverdale also can't afford to 1743 01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,239 fight and burn all this money through 1744 01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:56,159 when ultimately it's probably going to 1745 01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:59,760 happen. So the option is to just go 1746 01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,520 ahead and send the letter, which I'm in 1747 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,040 agreement on that. I think that's a good 1748 01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,520 idea. Uh have the city send a letter up 1749 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,679 say we oppose it and then continue on 1750 01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:09,760 with whatever direction you not need 1751 01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:10,960 tonight cuz we're going to be 1752 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,320 >> Mike. I believe he's on now. Do you see 1753 01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,480 if you can promote him and then uh 1754 01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:19,120 Justin will just walk through this uh 1755 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:27,189 software now. 1756 01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:29,520 » Good evening. Um I have to apologize. 1757 01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,760 Um, I went on to the meeting and 1758 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,480 everything just restarted and 1759 01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:37,520 I really have to apologize for tonight. 1760 01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,400 Um, but it's a pleasure to be here to 1761 01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,719 with you. And if I can just uh share my 1762 01:16:44,719 --> 01:16:46,880 screen for a second, 1763 01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,800 uh, what I'm going to do is walk you 1764 01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,800 through the uh, tools that we have for 1765 01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,600 the districtricting process. 1766 01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,960 And so I want to emphasize that we have 1767 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:00,880 a lot of different tools available to 1768 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:02,480 members of the community to draw their 1769 01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:04,320 own maps. 1770 01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,000 And a lot of the different tools are 1771 01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,719 really designed to highlight 1772 01:17:08,719 --> 01:17:10,640 different kinds of participation for 1773 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,159 those of you who'd like to submit your 1774 01:17:12,159 --> 01:17:16,239 maps in different ways. So to start off, 1775 01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:19,600 we have maps that basically have 1776 01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,239 just the streets, the major roads, and 1777 01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:24,880 other features. So, these are really 1778 01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:26,239 aimed at if you want to draw your 1779 01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:28,960 community or your neighborhood. 1780 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:30,080 You don't have to worry about 1781 01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,239 >> Justin, are you able to zoom in on your 1782 01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:33,840 screen a little bit? 1783 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:39,030 >> Sure. 1784 01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,040 Uh, these maps are neighborhood maps, so 1785 01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,560 they show you some of the roads and 1786 01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,960 streets. And all we'd ask you to do is 1787 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,960 use a color like a highlighter or 1788 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,400 colored pencil or even just a Sharpie 1789 01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,960 and draw an area that you think 1790 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,560 represents what a community of interest. 1791 01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,640 Um, this is really the most basic way 1792 01:17:58,640 --> 01:17:59,920 that we can understand what your 1793 01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:02,640 neighborhoods and communities are. We'd 1794 01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:03,840 ask you, you don't have to worry about 1795 01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,480 your population numbers on these maps. 1796 01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:09,120 You can just use them to show us what 1797 01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,520 your neighborhoods are. 1798 01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,840 On the back of this form or perhaps in 1799 01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,239 your email when you send it to us, you 1800 01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:18,080 can describe what your neighborhood or 1801 01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,480 communities are. 1802 01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:22,000 For those of you who want to go a little 1803 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,360 bit more in detail, we do have maps that 1804 01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:27,440 have our total population numbers on 1805 01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:30,080 them as well. This tells you, for 1806 01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,560 example, that there are seven residents 1807 01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,440 living east of Redwood Highway and north 1808 01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:37,760 of First Street. 1809 01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,080 This is kind of the next step up. If you 1810 01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:41,679 want to draw not just your neighborhood, 1811 01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:43,280 but try to figure out whether or not 1812 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,280 there's enough people to represent a 1813 01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,000 district or to constitute a district, 1814 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,840 you can color this in or add your 1815 01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,640 populations together until you reach the 1816 01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,360 target population of a balanced 1817 01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,560 population district. Again, we'll take 1818 01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,400 anything. Even if you don't have a 1819 01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,080 population balanced district and you 1820 01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:03,360 just want to show us where your 1821 01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,159 neighborhood or community is, we can 1822 01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:08,880 take it on this map as well. Both of 1823 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:10,800 these maps are available in English and 1824 01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,239 Spanish. And we also have a link on the 1825 01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:17,040 city's website to our interactive web 1826 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,360 viewer where you can zoom in and see 1827 01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:22,560 more detail than a paper map allows, but 1828 01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,120 it also has these population areas on 1829 01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,760 them. So these are not quite census 1830 01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,199 blocks. They're made up of several 1831 01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:32,239 census blocks kind of bounded by what we 1832 01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:35,280 think are um major or more important 1833 01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,440 streets to the extent that we can do 1834 01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:39,600 that. 1835 01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,679 And then for those who want to go a 1836 01:19:41,679 --> 01:19:46,239 little bit further, we do also have an a 1837 01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:48,880 system online where you can draw your 1838 01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,920 own districts from scratch. 1839 01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,679 uh this tool which is called Dave's 1840 01:19:53,679 --> 01:19:55,920 redistricting. 1841 01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,760 I'll go to the main start the main page 1842 01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:01,440 here. This is a website that lets you go 1843 01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:04,400 create maps and draw um really down to 1844 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,600 that block level detail. 1845 01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,360 On the district's website, you'll see a 1846 01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,760 link to our template. Just for the sake 1847 01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,120 of example, I'm going to start with this 1848 01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,679 template here. 1849 01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:17,440 And we'll zoom in a bit so we can see 1850 01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:19,760 more detail. 1851 01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:23,199 make our screen a little bit bigger. 1852 01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:26,080 Um, what we have on our what we have 1853 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,800 here is our template map. The template 1854 01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,400 is basically the starting point where 1855 01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,400 everybody can change from. You'll see 1856 01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,640 here in the description, it gives you a 1857 01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,400 little bit of instructions on what to do 1858 01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,640 when you finish and a place where you 1859 01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,560 can kind of write in and describe your 1860 01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,840 map when you're done. The way you use 1861 01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,679 Dave's redistricting is you always start 1862 01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:48,560 by creating an account. 1863 01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:52,400 So basically it's really simple. You can 1864 01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,520 sign up or you can sign up here. It's 1865 01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,040 really simple. You just need your name, 1866 01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,600 email, address, and to create a 1867 01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,120 password. 1868 01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,800 Once you have that, you'll be able to 1869 01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,679 sign into your map 1870 01:21:05,679 --> 01:21:08,320 and you'll be able to find the link to 1871 01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:12,880 this web template on the city's website. 1872 01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,880 And when you click that link, the first 1873 01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,800 thing you'll do is you'll make a copy of 1874 01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,760 the map. You see our template here is 1875 01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,000 read only. That's so that everybody 1876 01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,560 starts with the same blank map. To start 1877 01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:27,760 your own, you can duplicate your map. 1878 01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,800 Create yes to create a copy of it. 1879 01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,440 And the copy you can then draw your 1880 01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:36,239 districts how you choose. The easiest 1881 01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:38,159 way to do that is simply start by 1882 01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:39,600 selecting the district you want to 1883 01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,840 modify. For example, select district 1884 01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,679 three here. 1885 01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:45,280 And then you can use this paintbrush 1886 01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,971 tool to color in an area. 1887 01:21:47,971 --> 01:21:49,920 [clears throat] 1888 01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,440 Now you see some of these areas are 1889 01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:53,679 quite large. So let's say we want a 1890 01:21:53,679 --> 01:21:56,719 little more detail. 1891 01:21:56,719 --> 01:22:00,080 We can select our block to shatter each 1892 01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:03,360 of these precincts into many different 1893 01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,360 blocks. 1894 01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,000 And then we can paint just by clicking 1895 01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:11,760 or holding the mouse key down the blocks 1896 01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,040 in and move them into that district. 1897 01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,520 You can see on the upper left on left 1898 01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,239 hand portion of the screen as we move 1899 01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:23,280 blocks into this district the population 1900 01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,679 increases and we can even see what our 1901 01:22:25,679 --> 01:22:28,080 deviation our difference from perfect 1902 01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,400 equality is. 1903 01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,320 So, in this case, we're over our ideal 1904 01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,239 population, but that's okay because 1905 01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:36,320 we're just demonstrating what this tool 1906 01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,080 can do. 1907 01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,080 If we don't like what we did, we can hit 1908 01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,760 the eraser and we can erase blocks. We 1909 01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,480 can uncolor them. 1910 01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:48,880 Once we're happy with our district, we 1911 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:52,159 can hit we can click this little lock to 1912 01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:54,400 prevent people from modifying, 1913 01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:58,000 accidentally erasing, or adding it to a 1914 01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,270 different district. 1915 01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:03,440 Let me just add a couple of blocks. You 1916 01:23:03,440 --> 01:23:05,440 always do the paintbrush tool before you 1917 01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:07,040 hit the blocks. So, in order to move 1918 01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,920 them into that district. And you can see 1919 01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,560 as I go, I'm me adding people to this 1920 01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,470 district here. 1921 01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:19,600 In addition to coloring in individual 1922 01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:23,120 blocks, you can we can also turn on 1923 01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,840 using this little layers button. We can 1924 01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:30,000 label our precincts and our blocks with 1925 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,719 our total population. 1926 01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:34,639 Just collect the total population and 1927 01:23:34,639 --> 01:23:38,320 close it. And now as we see, we'll we'll 1928 01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,560 add 1929 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,400 hit apply. 1930 01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,800 And you can see as we zoom in here, 1931 01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,120 we'll see the total populations of each 1932 01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:51,600 block on the map as we zoom in. So, 135 1933 01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,760 people in this block bounded by 1934 01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,560 Cloverdale, Tarman, and Cloverdale 1935 01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,520 Boulevard right here. 1936 01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,320 Um, when we're thinking we're ready to 1937 01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:05,120 go, we want to go to this tools button 1938 01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,440 where we can use the find unassigned 1939 01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:10,159 precincts. These are precincts that 1940 01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:12,639 we've failed to assign to a district. 1941 01:24:12,639 --> 01:24:14,560 It's a really good check to make sure if 1942 01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,440 you missed any small or, you know, uh, 1943 01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:19,360 blocks that you may not have seen on the 1944 01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:21,280 map. 1945 01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,520 There's also a check to find 1946 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,199 non-ontiguous districts. Non-ontiguous, 1947 01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:28,719 of course, being districts where all the 1948 01:24:28,719 --> 01:24:31,199 precincts or all the blocks are not 1949 01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:34,239 touching each other. 1950 01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:35,920 In addition, if you go into the 1951 01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,560 statistics menu, you can see all the 1952 01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,639 districts side by side with their total 1953 01:24:40,639 --> 01:24:43,280 population deviations. And it'll give 1954 01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,440 you that total deviation that we want to 1955 01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:47,760 keep under 10%. 1956 01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,360 It'll even tell you here that my 1957 01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,920 population deviation is too big. So, 1958 01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:56,950 this is not a map that we could adopt. 1959 01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,040 When you're ready to finally submit your 1960 01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,400 map, you can do one of two things. You 1961 01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,840 can either go to share map right here 1962 01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:09,679 and copy this URL 1963 01:25:09,679 --> 01:25:12,719 or you can get the URL from the web 1964 01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:14,800 browser itself up here. Either way, 1965 01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,639 it'll link to the same address. 1966 01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:21,520 You'll then email this map, this link to 1967 01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,239 the map to our email address 1968 01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:27,830 districtricting@ci.cloverdale.ca. 1969 01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,440 us. 1970 01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:31,040 Keep in mind that if you don't email 1971 01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,080 your map, we don't know the map exists. 1972 01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:35,679 And that's actually protection because 1973 01:25:35,679 --> 01:25:37,199 if you're working on a map and you're 1974 01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:39,520 not ready to submit or you're not ready 1975 01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:41,679 for final changes, 1976 01:25:41,679 --> 01:25:44,080 we don't want to take your map too 1977 01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:47,120 early. This by by emailing it to us, 1978 01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,440 you're letting us know the map is ready 1979 01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:53,040 to be viewed, ready to be drawn in. 1980 01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:54,719 We'll also ask you when you email your 1981 01:25:54,719 --> 01:25:56,560 map if you could describe what you were 1982 01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,600 trying to do and any issues or anything 1983 01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,520 that you would like the board and the 1984 01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,600 community to know. 1985 01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,199 Anything you submit as part of this 1986 01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:07,760 email is part of the public record so 1987 01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:09,360 the council and the rest of the 1988 01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:12,159 community will see it. Our commitment is 1989 01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:14,480 also to draw in all the maps that we 1990 01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:16,719 receive. So whether or not your map is 1991 01:26:16,719 --> 01:26:19,199 population balanced, whether or not your 1992 01:26:19,199 --> 01:26:22,560 map uh meets all the legal requirements, 1993 01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,920 we will draw it in. And that's precisely 1994 01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,080 why we also have a deadline for the 1995 01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:30,880 maps. That's a couple of days before the 1996 01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:34,320 posting deadline, August 31st. 1997 01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,080 This is to make sure that if there are 1998 01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,159 issues with the map, we have an 1999 01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:40,800 opportunity to reach out to you to make 2000 01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,679 sure um to address any issues or to make 2001 01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:45,120 sure that the map that you're submitting 2002 01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,360 is the map you want to submit to the 2003 01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,440 council. 2004 01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:53,199 Um and so those are the basic tools we 2005 01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:55,520 use um in terms of that we have 2006 01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,639 available to the community to draw. Um, 2007 01:26:58,639 --> 01:27:00,320 in addition on that web viewer that I 2008 01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,400 mentioned earlier, we'll post all the 2009 01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,800 maps we receive and it'll be a way to 2010 01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,840 view the different maps side by side and 2011 01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,400 I'll show you that when we look at our 2012 01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:14,000 maps at the third public hearing. 2013 01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,040 Um, so I I just want to there any 2014 01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,239 questions about uh the web tools? Um, 2015 01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:24,400 anything I can go over in more detail? 2016 01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:26,159 I'll just say before as we're thinking 2017 01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:29,360 about that, we also do have a PDF that 2018 01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,480 goes step by step through this process 2019 01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:35,040 as well as two YouTube videos, a five 2020 01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:36,880 minute overall uh like kind of 2021 01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:40,320 introductory video and a 20 minute video 2022 01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:43,760 in more detail. Uh both of those videos 2023 01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:45,920 provide kind of more of a stepby step. I 2024 01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:47,840 know I when I first started using the 2025 01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,639 tool relied a lot on that video kind of 2026 01:27:50,639 --> 01:27:52,159 pausing 2027 01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:54,719 finding the tool doing something and 2028 01:27:54,719 --> 01:27:57,920 then coming back. Um but this tool 2029 01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,320 especially the Dave's redistricting DRRA 2030 01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,440 tool offers a lot of power to be able to 2031 01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:07,440 go into that level of detail. 2032 01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:11,120 So thank you. 2033 01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,280 >> Hey Justin, I have one quick question. 2034 01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,480 Um, is there going to be a link to this? 2035 01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:18,239 Like I said, and you probably mentioned 2036 01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:21,840 a thousand times on this, but a link to 2037 01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:24,320 one the tutorials that you said for for 2038 01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:25,760 the public. That was kind of, you know, 2039 01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:27,760 it's a lot to take in right there. A 2040 01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,840 link to the tutorials or the YouTube so 2041 01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:31,280 when they do decide to get in and draw 2042 01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,920 their maps that um they have the they 2043 01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,280 have the tools to do it. 2044 01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,440 >> That's a great question. Our expectation 2045 01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:39,280 is that after tonight, we're going to be 2046 01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:41,760 posting um all of the tools on our 2047 01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,480 district-based election website. That 2048 01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:46,480 will include links to all of the 2049 01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:48,239 materials I mentioned, including the 2050 01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:52,000 YouTube videos and the PDF. 2051 01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:58,709 >> Perfect. Thank you, sir. 2052 01:28:58,719 --> 01:29:00,400 Yeah, Justin, I got I have a question 2053 01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,520 for uh did you say the maps have to be 2054 01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,440 contiguous or they can they don't have 2055 01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:06,880 to be? 2056 01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:10,320 >> So, the maps do so I'll I'll tell you 2057 01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,600 answer in two parts. For legal adoption, 2058 01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,480 the maps must be contiguous. 2059 01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:19,440 So, for example, if a map were to cross 2060 01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:22,320 this unincorporated part of the city, um 2061 01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,400 >> that's my next question. that would not 2062 01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,400 be a map the council could legally 2063 01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:30,080 adopt. However, for submitting draft 2064 01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:34,159 maps, we w we will take anything. If we 2065 01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:35,920 realize there's a problem like that, 2066 01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:38,400 we'll reach out to the submitter because 2067 01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:40,239 we'll have the email address from that 2068 01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:42,880 submission to make sure that they know 2069 01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,400 they're submitting a map the council 2070 01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,320 can't adopt or shouldn't, you know, 2071 01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,199 can't legally adopt. So once we submit 2072 01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:52,159 and if we know like probably that area 2073 01:29:52,159 --> 01:29:53,760 where you're showing is going to be 2074 01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:55,520 annexed into the city and those 2075 01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:57,280 residents would they automatically go 2076 01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,040 right into that district that's touching 2077 01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,600 them or encompassing them? 2078 01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:04,159 >> So that is actually a good that's a 2079 01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:05,760 great question. Um you'll actually 2080 01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:09,760 specify in the annexation um order which 2081 01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:13,600 district they will vote in. Um I don't 2082 01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,040 believe there's a lot of residents in 2083 01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:18,639 this area right now. Um, so basically 2084 01:30:18,639 --> 01:30:20,320 the order could put them into the 2085 01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:22,159 southern district or potentially 2086 01:30:22,159 --> 01:30:24,000 depending on the lines into the district 2087 01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,280 to the north. Um, I've, you know, um, it 2088 01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:29,040 just, you know, whatever makes the most 2089 01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,440 sense for the city. Um, the annexation 2090 01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:33,600 order would specify that. 2091 01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:35,360 >> Okay. So, basically, we're we're looking 2092 01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,880 to get the footprint of Cloverdale 2093 01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:41,120 uh, represented in that map. So, what 2094 01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:42,719 kind of what I'm going at is the people 2095 01:30:42,719 --> 01:30:45,440 that are going to be annexed in, are we 2096 01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:47,679 going to have to pay an additional cost 2097 01:30:47,679 --> 01:30:50,960 for that at a later date once that 2098 01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:54,800 >> we there won't be um they even though 2099 01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,280 that might upset the population 2100 01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,760 evenness, we don't have to do it yet. We 2101 01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,400 will in the future after every census 2102 01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,719 have to go back through this process. 2103 01:31:04,719 --> 01:31:06,560 Not all it's a little different at that 2104 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,120 point but there there is a after each 2105 01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,280 dis you know census you got to go 2106 01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:13,120 through this process and the population 2107 01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:16,080 may or may not have changed. 2108 01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,159 Sometimes cities are just adopting the 2109 01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:20,800 exact same maps. Sometimes even if 2110 01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,960 there's no population change you decided 2111 01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:26,800 hey let's redo how we drew things. 2112 01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:29,120 And and for any annexation, as long as 2113 01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:32,400 the annexation is under 25% of the 2114 01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:35,280 city's population, uh it doesn't trigger 2115 01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:38,719 a mid decade redistricting. 2116 01:31:38,719 --> 01:31:40,880 So if there's no residents or very few 2117 01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:44,320 residents in an annexation area, then it 2118 01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,719 doesn't trigger a redistricting. It just 2119 01:31:46,719 --> 01:31:49,040 the order as part of the ordinance 2120 01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,920 specifying the annexation, it will say 2121 01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:54,239 the the new residents will vote in 2122 01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:56,320 district 4 or district 3 or whatever it 2123 01:31:56,320 --> 01:32:03,189 is. 2124 01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:05,600 » I have a question for attorney Alex 2125 01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,880 Moog. Um suppose somebody has like a big 2126 01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,199 house and then they decide they want to 2127 01:32:11,199 --> 01:32:13,199 downsize and they're on the council and 2128 01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:15,360 they move into another district. Does 2129 01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,280 that mean that they can't be on the 2130 01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:18,239 council or what? 2131 01:32:18,239 --> 01:32:20,639 >> Correct. So, it's it's the same thing as 2132 01:32:20,639 --> 01:32:23,679 if you moved out of the city. If you are 2133 01:32:23,679 --> 01:32:26,400 on the council representing district 1 2134 01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,480 and you move within district 1, that's 2135 01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:31,280 fine. If you move to district two, you 2136 01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:34,800 have to give up your seat 2137 01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,360 or wait until your term is over to to 2138 01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:45,510 move. 2139 01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:47,040 Do we have any questions from the public 2140 01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:51,830 on this? 2141 01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:58,470 » Could you please come down and uh 2142 01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:00,320 Wow, that'll teach me to leave early at 2143 01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:03,520 the last meeting. Um, uh, Alex, I think 2144 01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,960 your response on Prop 28 to me on Prop 2145 01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:10,000 218 to me was confusing as I don't see 2146 01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,080 how using water bill money for office 2147 01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:13,920 air conditioning is a valid use of water 2148 01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,400 infrastructure projects. And tonight, 2149 01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:18,960 your comments on this are even more 2150 01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,920 confusing um, on the redistricting for 2151 01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,080 which I have a few thoughts. First, Mr. 2152 01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,719 more concerned. I'd love you to not give 2153 01:33:26,719 --> 01:33:29,360 up. Don't give in. Send these letters. 2154 01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:30,960 Uh, one of the comments I heard as 2155 01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:32,960 growing growing up was have a spine and 2156 01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:35,199 fight this. This seems a bit ridiculous 2157 01:33:35,199 --> 01:33:38,719 to me, this whole notion. Um, I had a 2158 01:33:38,719 --> 01:33:40,000 little bit time this afternoon. I 2159 01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,800 noticed that uh, Antonio Gonzalez was 2160 01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:45,679 named president of the Southwest Voter 2161 01:33:45,679 --> 01:33:48,560 in September of 1994, and he has sued 2162 01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,400 over a 100 cities and school districts 2163 01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,719 using the California Voting Rights Act. 2164 01:33:52,719 --> 01:33:54,880 and he's been busy or that organization 2165 01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:56,560 I think he's gone now. They've 2166 01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:59,040 transformed a lot of these at large 2167 01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:00,880 election systems that have worked well 2168 01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,280 for places like Cloverdale into these 2169 01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:06,480 district areas. Um according to their 2170 01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:08,159 website, this organization has been 2171 01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:10,080 instrumental in setting up an academy to 2172 01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:11,840 train organizers, activists, and 2173 01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:13,920 candidates running for office as well as 2174 01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:15,600 other elected offices. And these guys 2175 01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,320 are based in Texas. So, why are we not 2176 01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,560 standing up and fighting against an 2177 01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:24,560 organization from um outside our state, 2178 01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,360 let alone outside our county? Um I was 2179 01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:28,960 wondering if there's other help besides 2180 01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,800 the local folks because in April 2026 2181 01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,440 during the same month, I believe you 2182 01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:37,199 received a threatening letter from the 2183 01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:39,679 these activists. The US Supreme Court 2184 01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:42,400 issued a ruling in Louisiana versus Cala 2185 01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,719 striking down Louisiana's 2186 01:34:44,719 --> 01:34:47,280 redrawn maps and ruling that the Voting 2187 01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,840 Right Acts did not compel the state to 2188 01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:52,719 create these kinds of maps. So this 2189 01:34:52,719 --> 01:34:54,560 ruling also obviously applies in places 2190 01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,840 like California uh not just Louisiana or 2191 01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,280 Virginia where this is happening right 2192 01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:01,199 now. So again, I encourage the council 2193 01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:03,840 to send the letters and I would ask how 2194 01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:06,560 does this mapmaking help us? Uh, can the 2195 01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:08,719 California Supreme Court help us in 2196 01:35:08,719 --> 01:35:10,880 fighting this? We need to take a stand, 2197 01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:14,159 not just roll over like um I guess Roner 2198 01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:16,960 Park and uh other cities in our county. 2199 01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:19,679 Can the bigger Supreme Court help us? 2200 01:35:19,679 --> 01:35:21,360 And do you need a million dollars to 2201 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:23,280 fight this? What is the amount of money 2202 01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,280 you need to fight this? Don't just say, 2203 01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:28,480 "Oh, I'm sorry. We got no money. Uh, we 2204 01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:30,960 got $10 million in the water enterprise 2205 01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:32,880 department." So, there you go. Thank 2206 01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,199 you. 2207 01:35:35,199 --> 01:35:37,040 Just really quick, Alex, who was the 2208 01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:38,639 Southern California city that it cost 2209 01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:40,639 them 1.4 to fight and they settled at 2210 01:35:40,639 --> 01:35:42,480 that amount to lose? 2211 01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:44,480 >> Well, I I don't remember off the top of 2212 01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:46,800 my head that cities who have fought have 2213 01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,840 spent a lot of money and all lost. So, 2214 01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:51,679 Santa Monica went all the way to the 2215 01:35:51,679 --> 01:35:54,320 Supreme They won at uh they lost at the 2216 01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,199 trial court, won at the Court of Appeal, 2217 01:35:57,199 --> 01:35:59,040 lost at the Supreme Court, spent 2218 01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:02,480 millions of dollars. Um, 2219 01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:05,199 no one has has won fighting this. This 2220 01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:06,800 is your legislators need to do their 2221 01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:12,070 jobs. 2222 01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:13,920 » I just have a question. I don't 2223 01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:15,920 understand how this works. What if 2224 01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:17,280 >> Could you please state your name for the 2225 01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:20,320 record and step up? 2226 01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:24,960 >> What happens if there's no candidates or 2227 01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:26,880 >> the the question was what if there were 2228 01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:27,760 no candidates? 2229 01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:29,920 >> They took one or two districts. Yeah, 2230 01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:33,120 that that's a real possibility. Um the 2231 01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:34,800 council would then need to appoint 2232 01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:36,480 someone to serve in that seat. They 2233 01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:38,320 would need to appoint someone from 2234 01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:40,480 within the district, that particular 2235 01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:46,470 district. 2236 01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:49,360 » Good evening everyone. Regina Berry, I 2237 01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,960 realize this is like a very odd thought 2238 01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:56,320 and request and question. What about all 2239 01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:58,159 of the citizens that aren't within the 2240 01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:01,119 city limits? Is there any way legally 2241 01:37:01,119 --> 01:37:02,719 that we could create several 2242 01:37:02,719 --> 01:37:05,199 unincorporated Cloverdale districts? 2243 01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:07,040 They don't pay city taxes, you might 2244 01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,360 say. What if there were some sort of 2245 01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:12,719 flat fee to be registered to be able to 2246 01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:14,320 vote? 2247 01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:17,920 Is that in any way something that we 2248 01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:21,199 might be able to work toward because we 2249 01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:23,199 have so many people that are part of 2250 01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:24,719 this community that aren't within the 2251 01:37:24,719 --> 01:37:26,719 city limits. Under state law, you have 2252 01:37:26,719 --> 01:37:28,960 to be a resident of the city to vote in 2253 01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:30,239 city elections. 2254 01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:33,119 >> Okay. So, there's no potential for us to 2255 01:37:33,119 --> 01:37:36,719 create unincorporated districts that 2256 01:37:36,719 --> 01:37:39,440 could vote on city matters. Absolutely 2257 01:37:39,440 --> 01:37:42,480 not at all. Okay. The law has spoken. 2258 01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:52,550 It's worth a thought. 2259 01:37:52,560 --> 01:38:00,550 » Any other public comment on this item? 2260 01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,480 Thank you, Robert Maddock. Again, 2261 01:38:02,480 --> 01:38:06,480 Cloverdale. Uh, I am an attorney. Um, 2262 01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:09,360 and I am actually admitted to the United 2263 01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:11,920 States Supreme Court. Uh, so I can 2264 01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,800 comment on that. Uh, I would say it 2265 01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:18,000 would be economic suicide for this town, 2266 01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:21,679 the city to try to fight this. Um, it's 2267 01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:23,520 great if someone else wants to, you 2268 01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:26,480 know, contact uh Mr. Bezos or someone 2269 01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:28,320 like that and see if we can get a hund00 2270 01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:30,719 million fund. I think that would be 2271 01:38:30,719 --> 01:38:33,280 great. I will volunteer to write an 2272 01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,679 amicus brief for that. However, in the 2273 01:38:35,679 --> 01:38:39,440 meantime, I beg you not to waste another 2274 01:38:39,440 --> 01:38:42,400 penny on this because it is an absolute 2275 01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:45,360 waste of taxpayer dollars. I have worked 2276 01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,400 within the public uh sector as an 2277 01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:50,400 attorney uh for my entire attorney 2278 01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:53,040 career and I have negotiated contracts 2279 01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:55,040 in multiple counties in this area, 2280 01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:57,840 multiple agencies. I have discussed this 2281 01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:01,040 specific issue with Sonoma County cities 2282 01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:04,560 and it is undeniably something that can 2283 01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:07,600 only be changed by either the United 2284 01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:09,440 States state supreme court ruling on 2285 01:39:09,440 --> 01:39:11,840 this specific issue and the case out of 2286 01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,719 Louisiana does not address this specific 2287 01:39:14,719 --> 01:39:18,000 issue. um or our legislaturators 2288 01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:20,719 need to develop a backbone as the uh 2289 01:39:20,719 --> 01:39:23,119 vice mayor uh and I believe the mayor 2290 01:39:23,119 --> 01:39:26,000 also described and and actually stand up 2291 01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,239 for this because it isn't right. This is 2292 01:39:28,239 --> 01:39:30,800 a small town. We don't need this shoved 2293 01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:33,199 down our throats by a bunch of out of 2294 01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:35,760 town and out of attorney or out of uh 2295 01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:38,880 town and out of state of attorneys. Um, 2296 01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:40,719 I would like to start a group called uh 2297 01:39:40,719 --> 01:39:42,960 lawyers against lawsuits, but uh I will 2298 01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:45,440 save that for another day. Um, because I 2299 01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:47,679 think these kinds of things really 2300 01:39:47,679 --> 01:39:51,600 become tools that just are used by 2301 01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:54,480 people to manipulate and actually don't 2302 01:39:54,480 --> 01:39:56,880 accomplish what the original and I think 2303 01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:59,840 justified basis was for. On the actual 2304 01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:03,199 issue of uh redistric redistricting, 2305 01:40:03,199 --> 01:40:04,639 what I will say is from what I've seen 2306 01:40:04,639 --> 01:40:07,040 in other cities, a small city like this, 2307 01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:08,960 if you go with five districts, you are 2308 01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:10,880 going to have more problems with trying 2309 01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:13,360 to find council members and you also 2310 01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:15,679 have to redistrict more often. It only 2311 01:40:15,679 --> 01:40:17,920 takes one large apartment complex in a 2312 01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:19,840 town like this and now your numbers are 2313 01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:21,920 thrown off and you got to redistrict. 2314 01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:24,080 Uh, I also think that in a town like 2315 01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,400 this, a strong mayor who's elected for 2316 01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:28,719 four years and provides steady 2317 01:40:28,719 --> 01:40:31,360 leadership is a positive thing and I 2318 01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:34,000 support that. Um, I absolutely support 2319 01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:35,920 Cloverdale. Love this town. Wish it 2320 01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,080 could stay the same way the council is 2321 01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:41,199 now, but it can't and uh let's be 2322 01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:43,440 realistic about it. I also do support 2323 01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:45,760 sending a letter. I do think that's a 2324 01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:49,040 worthwhile use of uh my taxpayer money 2325 01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:51,119 uh to fight that. And if uh you want an 2326 01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:58,149 advocates brief support, give me a call. 2327 01:40:58,159 --> 01:41:01,199 » Any other public comment on this item? 2328 01:41:01,199 --> 01:41:04,800 Seeing none. So, Alex, 2329 01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,199 we've done a lot here. So, we want 2330 01:41:07,199 --> 01:41:08,159 >> we What 2331 01:41:08,159 --> 01:41:09,760 >> direction for tonight? What do you need? 2332 01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:11,840 >> Direction from the council on whether or 2333 01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:15,040 not to have a directly elected mayor. 2334 01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:15,520 Okay. 2335 01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,600 >> So we know to communicate to the public 2336 01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,360 whether they should be drawing four or 2337 01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:20,880 five districts. 2338 01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:22,639 >> Let's bring it to council. Council, go 2339 01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:25,199 ahead. 2340 01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:26,800 >> So a question for the city attorney. Uh 2341 01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:30,639 is that is absolutely not uh possible 2342 01:41:30,639 --> 01:41:33,520 that we could do two at large? 2343 01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:35,360 >> It is not. So the government code 2344 01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:37,840 establishes what forms of government are 2345 01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:39,760 allowed for a general law city which 2346 01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:41,920 Cloverdale is. And that's not one of the 2347 01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:44,000 options that is provided. 2348 01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:45,920 >> Okay. And in what type of city is that 2349 01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:47,199 allowed? 2350 01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:48,719 >> Uh you do like a hybrid. 2351 01:41:48,719 --> 01:41:51,199 >> Theoretically a charter city. It has 2352 01:41:51,199 --> 01:41:53,840 more uh authority over their form of 2353 01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:55,840 government. Uh but you know Cloverdale 2354 01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:57,520 is not a charter city. So we'd have to 2355 01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:59,600 become that first. 2356 01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:01,920 >> Um the way that I I would you know hear 2357 01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:03,360 the rest of the council thoughts, but I 2358 01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:06,159 would be open to a two-year uh at large 2359 01:42:06,159 --> 01:42:10,000 mayor. Definitely not a four-year. Um 2360 01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:12,480 but um I'm open to uh five separate 2361 01:42:12,480 --> 01:42:16,229 districts as well. 2362 01:42:16,239 --> 01:42:18,800 I would definitely be open to a two-year 2363 01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:22,000 mayor and I think it um the only you 2364 01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:23,920 know like one positive thing coming out 2365 01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:26,880 of this would be the voters would be 2366 01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:30,000 able to elect their mayor and I I think 2367 01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:31,840 that would be a positive thing but I 2368 01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:33,360 would only want that for two years 2369 01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,760 because if the mayor's not somebody 2370 01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,679 that's working out you don't want to be 2371 01:42:37,679 --> 01:42:43,350 stuck with them for four 2372 01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:45,760 Well, seeing seeing that districts might 2373 01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:49,040 be a uh you know a problem in the 2374 01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:51,119 future, I would do four districts and 2375 01:42:51,119 --> 01:42:56,149 one mayor. 2376 01:42:56,159 --> 01:42:57,760 » Did council member ask you, did you have 2377 01:42:57,760 --> 01:42:59,760 a preference on the two or fouryear term 2378 01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,000 for the mayor? That's what we're here. 2379 01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:06,629 >> Okay. 2380 01:43:06,639 --> 01:43:08,159 Sorry, I'm just kind of keeping track of 2381 01:43:08,159 --> 01:43:12,800 everything. Um, I definitely am in favor 2382 01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:17,119 of the atlarge mayor and knowing how the 2383 01:43:17,119 --> 01:43:19,920 mayorship works. I think that two years 2384 01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:21,760 you're just starting to actually get 2385 01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:24,000 your feet wet and understand the job. 2386 01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:29,030 So, I would be up for a four-year mayor. 2387 01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,119 » I'm the same way. I agree with uh Mr. 2388 01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:34,719 Mack down there. Um, I can tell you if 2389 01:43:34,719 --> 01:43:36,320 you've if you've sat here, one year is 2390 01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:38,480 not long enough. Two years is not long 2391 01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:41,679 enough. You need uh you need the four 2392 01:43:41,679 --> 01:43:45,119 years to do it. Um, and to be effective 2393 01:43:45,119 --> 01:43:47,280 and uh really grasp everything that you 2394 01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:48,800 need to do. There's a lot going on with 2395 01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:51,600 this uh with this chair here. So, uh I'm 2396 01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,159 in favor of the four districts and the 2397 01:43:54,159 --> 01:43:59,119 um at large mayor on a four-year term. 2398 01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:00,880 >> Thanks. So, so what I heard to recap is 2399 01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:03,199 I heard unanimous uh support for the 2400 01:44:03,199 --> 01:44:05,520 mayor position, although I think two 2401 01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:08,400 members or at least one member would 2402 01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:09,920 only support it on the basis of a 2403 01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:14,239 two-year, but there was a majority for a mayor plus four years. So, we'll 2404 01:44:14,239 --> 01:44:17,119 proceed with the four-year, excuse me, 2405 01:44:17,119 --> 01:44:18,880 with the directly elected mayor in the 2406 01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:21,679 four districts. Um, and the council can 2407 01:44:21,679 --> 01:44:23,360 make a final decision about the length 2408 01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:25,280 of term, you know, when the ordinance 2409 01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:27,040 comes before you'll have that number in 2410 01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,040 it and you can change it at that point. 2411 01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:30,719 And is that something that we could hear 2412 01:44:30,719 --> 01:44:31,520 from the public? 2413 01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:33,760 >> Absolutely. So that we can change that 2414 01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:35,520 in the future, too. So there's no need 2415 01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:38,960 for a final decision on that right now. 2416 01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:42,629 >> All right. 2417 01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:44,880 » Yeah. Is there any public comment on the 2418 01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:48,000 uh on the um term of the mayor? Do we 2419 01:44:48,000 --> 01:45:00,629 have any public comment on that? 2420 01:45:00,639 --> 01:45:02,320 The only comment I really have on that 2421 01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:04,880 is that I always felt like it was our 2422 01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:08,320 job if as we rotated the mayor that it 2423 01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:12,320 was our job when we were mayor to 2424 01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:14,560 engage with the newer council members 2425 01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:17,440 and show them exactly what it entails 2426 01:45:17,440 --> 01:45:20,960 and what it takes. If you elect a mayor 2427 01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:22,400 and you're stuck with them for four 2428 01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:24,480 years and you don't like them or they're 2429 01:45:24,480 --> 01:45:27,440 then you're stuck with them. 2430 01:45:27,440 --> 01:45:30,800 It's that simple. But if you rotate 2431 01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:34,320 mayors, then everybody coming up has an 2432 01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:37,600 opportunity to learn about what this is 2433 01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:40,080 that you guys are doing and the service 2434 01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:43,520 to our community. So, an elected mayor 2435 01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:46,639 is sort of stupid, I think, in a small 2436 01:45:46,639 --> 01:45:49,643 town. That's all I got to say. 2437 01:45:49,643 --> 01:45:56,149 >> [applause] 2438 01:45:56,159 --> 01:45:58,400 » Colleen Shields. I'm concerned of the 2439 01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,880 lack of experience of an elected mayor. 2440 01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:03,520 I too like how you're groomed, how you 2441 01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:05,920 learn, how you gain your experience. 2442 01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:07,679 You're there for each other. You have a 2443 01:46:07,679 --> 01:46:10,719 groove. You're working together. I I 2444 01:46:10,719 --> 01:46:12,080 really like how you guys have been 2445 01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,960 running things as far as that goes. So, 2446 01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:18,800 if it's works, don't fix it. uh is my 2447 01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:20,320 philosophy. 2448 01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:31,510 >> Thank you. 2449 01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:34,480 Susie Cummings. Um I think with this 2450 01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:37,280 small of a town that the four districts 2451 01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:38,960 is going to work out better that you're 2452 01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:41,600 more likely to get people from each 2453 01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:44,960 district. Um the only concern I have I 2454 01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:47,520 do like the idea of an elected mayor. I 2455 01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:50,000 the only concern I have is that four 2456 01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:53,440 years it may make it hard to find 2457 01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:56,400 somebody who can dedicate four years to 2458 01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:59,600 some to that difficult of a job. And 2459 01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:02,880 that's my only concern is that um if you 2460 01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:04,719 can find somebody who will do four years 2461 01:47:04,719 --> 01:47:07,360 I think that's great but it might be 2462 01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:09,840 hard to find somebody. So you might end 2463 01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:12,560 up with two years. 2464 01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:14,139 Perfect. 2465 01:47:14,139 --> 01:47:24,310 [snorts] 2466 01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:27,920 Evening. My name is Dana Star. I grew up 2467 01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:31,440 in a town um under 8,000 people, very 2468 01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:34,800 similar to this. uh my whole life living 2469 01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:38,159 there and it continues to this day is a 2470 01:47:38,159 --> 01:47:42,159 district of four sections with an 2471 01:47:42,159 --> 01:47:46,560 elected mayor and they are doing four 2472 01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:50,000 years but I am rather fond of this idea 2473 01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:53,600 that the shorter period allows 2474 01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:56,719 for um mixing it up not mixing it up 2475 01:47:56,719 --> 01:47:58,639 because it's just to mix it up but 2476 01:47:58,639 --> 01:48:01,199 because in two years somebody can go oh 2477 01:48:01,199 --> 01:48:03,679 I think I want to run again for another 2478 01:48:03,679 --> 01:48:06,159 two years because I'm getting the swing 2479 01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:09,119 of this. I I can see where I can go or 2480 01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:11,360 they can go, you know, I don't really 2481 01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:15,440 want to do that and let somebody else 2482 01:48:15,440 --> 01:48:19,679 run. Um, but I I can say also that with 2483 01:48:19,679 --> 01:48:22,000 even the four district 2484 01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:24,880 division that there were sections 2485 01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:26,960 particularly in the poorest section of 2486 01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:30,639 the town that nobody would run. 2487 01:48:30,639 --> 01:48:33,199 And so they they had to find a way to 2488 01:48:33,199 --> 01:48:35,840 find to get somebody to sit for that 2489 01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:37,520 neighborhood. And that would be even 2490 01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:40,639 worse if you had the five that I can 2491 01:48:40,639 --> 01:48:47,910 share. Thank you. 2492 01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,719 Any other public comment on this? Okay, 2493 01:48:50,719 --> 01:48:52,719 seeing none. Alex, are you good with 2494 01:48:52,719 --> 01:48:56,239 your direction on that? Okay. 2495 01:48:56,239 --> 01:48:58,000 >> Okay. Yeah. 2496 01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:00,000 >> Through the mayor. Could you explain the 2497 01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:01,920 process and timeline just a little bit 2498 01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:03,119 so that everybody can understand how 2499 01:49:03,119 --> 01:49:04,719 quickly this really is going? So, we 2500 01:49:04,719 --> 01:49:05,840 need your involvement here. 2501 01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:09,840 >> Yeah. So, um we uh initially under state 2502 01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:11,440 law have 90 days to do this whole 2503 01:49:11,440 --> 01:49:14,800 process. Uh we agreed with the 2504 01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:17,119 plaintiff. They gave us an extension for 2505 01:49:17,119 --> 01:49:20,480 an extra 45 days. Um so the schedule, 2506 01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:22,080 thanks Mike, is up there. The next 2507 01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:24,080 public hearing is September 3rd. So at 2508 01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:26,080 that meeting you'll look at the maps 2509 01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:28,000 that have been submitted. You can submit 2510 01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:31,199 some. The uh consultant will also submit 2511 01:49:31,199 --> 01:49:33,119 some to make sure we have some that are 2512 01:49:33,119 --> 01:49:36,719 legally okay and you can pick which ones 2513 01:49:36,719 --> 01:49:38,560 you like. You might find one that you 2514 01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:40,960 all know this is the one we want. You 2515 01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:43,040 may not be ready to make a decision. 2516 01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:46,480 Then you may um also think hey we like 2517 01:49:46,480 --> 01:49:49,199 this map but could you do X or Y to it 2518 01:49:49,199 --> 01:49:50,719 to try to change it? you know, move it 2519 01:49:50,719 --> 01:49:52,639 over, include that neighborhood, you 2520 01:49:52,639 --> 01:49:55,040 know, those extra blocks over there. Uh, 2521 01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:56,960 so there's then an opportunity for more 2522 01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:59,119 maps to be submitted before the fourth 2523 01:49:59,119 --> 01:50:01,360 public hearing. At the fourth public 2524 01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:04,159 hearing, uh, the council would make a 2525 01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:06,880 decision. This is the map we want. Uh, 2526 01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:09,119 this is the order of the districts are 2527 01:50:09,119 --> 01:50:12,480 going to go for election and we would, 2528 01:50:12,480 --> 01:50:14,560 uh, the council will conduct the first 2529 01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:17,040 reading of an ordinance at that meeting. 2530 01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:19,520 uh so vote and and you know introduce an 2531 01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:20,960 ordinance at that meeting and then at 2532 01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:24,560 the fifth public hearing um you would 2533 01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:26,719 then uh adopt that ordinance and it 2534 01:50:26,719 --> 01:50:29,119 would be done. So uh the schedule's up 2535 01:50:29,119 --> 01:50:32,000 there. Um we have a little bit of 2536 01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:33,520 flexibility in case something comes up 2537 01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:35,520 and we need to move a meeting, you know, 2538 01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:38,719 two weeks, but we don't have uh tons of 2539 01:50:38,719 --> 01:50:41,280 time. 2540 01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:44,080 >> Thank you, Alex. 2541 01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:48,000 >> All righty. Alex, could we ask if he 2542 01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:50,639 could make like six maps so that if we 2543 01:50:50,639 --> 01:50:52,480 don't want to make a map, we have like 2544 01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:53,679 six to choose from? 2545 01:50:53,679 --> 01:50:56,960 >> Yeah. So, he he um the uh consultant 2546 01:50:56,960 --> 01:50:59,520 will be making three to five maps, I 2547 01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:01,119 believe, is the number that are 2548 01:51:01,119 --> 01:51:03,760 compliant. Depending on the a city of 2549 01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:05,600 our size, you may sort of just run out 2550 01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:08,159 of compliant ways to do it. So, there 2551 01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:10,000 may only but he will be producing some 2552 01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:12,719 maps as well. So even if no one from the 2553 01:51:12,719 --> 01:51:14,560 public or no council members do maps, 2554 01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:17,119 you will have maps to look at and choose 2555 01:51:17,119 --> 01:51:18,239 between. 2556 01:51:18,239 --> 01:51:24,709 >> Thank you. 2557 01:51:24,719 --> 01:51:35,669 » Could you please come down? 2558 01:51:35,679 --> 01:51:37,840 » Regina Barry, quick question. Um, you 2559 01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:39,599 may you may have addressed it earlier. 2560 01:51:39,599 --> 01:51:42,239 the maps that as we as the public 2561 01:51:42,239 --> 01:51:44,480 create, they will all be accessible to 2562 01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:45,920 everyone else so that if they want to 2563 01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:46,880 click on them. 2564 01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:49,040 >> Yeah. So, they will all be available on 2565 01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:53,360 the website at least 7 days before the hearing. 2566 01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:55,199 >> All righty. 2567 01:51:55,199 --> 01:51:57,520 See no other comments. Let's move back. 2568 01:51:57,520 --> 01:51:59,119 And I apologize. We're going to move 2569 01:51:59,119 --> 01:52:02,400 back. What? Oh, you have one. Sorry. So, 2570 01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:05,617 Alex, what based on that comment, 2571 01:52:05,617 --> 01:52:07,520 [clears throat] is it just the voting 2572 01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:09,520 public of registered voters in 2573 01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:12,320 Cloverdale can only do district maps or 2574 01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:13,599 it's anybody? 2575 01:52:13,599 --> 01:52:14,880 >> Anyone can submit a map? 2576 01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:15,360 >> Okay. 2577 01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:18,560 >> Um, and the council can 2578 01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:22,159 take a look at it. 2579 01:52:22,159 --> 01:52:24,080 >> We we will we don't check if you're a 2580 01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:25,920 registered voter any map will be 2581 01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:27,520 submitted and then it's up to the 2582 01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:38,550 council to decide what map ultimately to choose. 2583 01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:41,679 back into our uh consent calendar. And 2584 01:52:41,679 --> 01:52:43,920 the active ones we still have left is 2585 01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:47,440 F1, F3, and F5. So, let's start with F1. 2586 01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:49,679 The one that I pulled, Kevin, could you 2587 01:52:49,679 --> 01:52:51,119 go ahead and just go over that right 2588 01:52:51,119 --> 01:52:51,599 quick? 2589 01:52:51,599 --> 01:52:55,199 >> Yeah, Susie is gonna give us an up. 2590 01:52:55,199 --> 01:52:57,280 >> Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council 2591 01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:01,599 members. Um so the water and the sewer 2592 01:53:01,599 --> 01:53:04,960 leak adjustment policy. The water policy 2593 01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:09,199 that is um items one through three is 2594 01:53:09,199 --> 01:53:11,920 exactly what our water policy currently 2595 01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:15,840 is. What we have uh or what we are 2596 01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:19,119 proposing is that we add a commercial 2597 01:53:19,119 --> 01:53:22,239 sewer charge adjustment. That would be 2598 01:53:22,239 --> 01:53:24,400 like the two that you've seen in the 2599 01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:29,280 past year and a half where if the sewer 2600 01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:32,880 if the the businesses are charged based 2601 01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:35,119 on the number of units of water that's 2602 01:53:35,119 --> 01:53:38,000 used a single family resident it they 2603 01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:40,639 have a a flat fee for their sewer. So it 2604 01:53:40,639 --> 01:53:42,639 wouldn't affect it wouldn't affect a 2605 01:53:42,639 --> 01:53:44,080 single family. It wouldn't affect a 2606 01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:47,440 multif family. it would only affect um 2607 01:53:47,440 --> 01:53:50,320 one of the businesses that 2608 01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:53,520 their sewer is being charged based on 2609 01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:55,760 the number of units of water that's 2610 01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:58,639 being used. We're proposing that if they 2611 01:53:58,639 --> 01:54:02,800 can prove with pictures, uh, receipts, 2612 01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:06,159 um, that the water went into the ground, 2613 01:54:06,159 --> 01:54:08,800 did not go into the septic, um, it 2614 01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:11,360 didn't have to be treated, that we would 2615 01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:13,840 not charge them, we would charge them 2616 01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,800 their regular average rate and not 2617 01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:20,560 charge them the additional um, 2618 01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:24,159 units of it's it's a sewer rate, but 2619 01:54:24,159 --> 01:54:28,239 it's only water that's being they're being charged by the number of 2620 01:54:28,239 --> 01:54:33,520 units of water. So, um number four is um 2621 01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:35,760 just proposing 2622 01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:38,480 that we change that so that I don't have 2623 01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:44,149 to bring these back. 2624 01:54:44,159 --> 01:54:47,040 » Okay. Any questions? 2625 01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:48,639 >> Nope. I think it's pretty 2626 01:54:48,639 --> 01:54:51,760 self-explanatory and um you know, in the 2627 01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:53,119 past we've just kind of you know, it's 2628 01:54:53,119 --> 01:54:55,440 no harm, no foul situation. The sewer is 2629 01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:57,199 not used. We're not charging for it. So, 2630 01:54:57,199 --> 01:54:59,679 pretty straightforward. 2631 01:54:59,679 --> 01:55:03,280 Would like to make a motion. 2632 01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:03,599 >> Good. 2633 01:55:03,599 --> 01:55:04,080 >> I'm good. 2634 01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:07,360 >> Okay. Do I have a motion for F1? 2635 01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:10,080 >> Uh, yes. I'm sorry, Rob. Apologize. Yes. 2636 01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:17,589 I have public comment on this item. 2637 01:55:17,599 --> 01:55:19,679 » Rob Kazlowski. again. U first of all, 2638 01:55:19,679 --> 01:55:21,760 I'd like to thank uh the city for its 2639 01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:23,840 one-day response and stopping a water 2640 01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:26,800 leak next to our home um with one day 2641 01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:28,320 within it being reported. So, that was 2642 01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:29,840 pretty phenomenal. The guys came out on 2643 01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:32,560 a Sunday. Um then they completely fixed 2644 01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:34,400 it with new parts and asphalt within a 2645 01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:36,000 couple of days. So, kudos to the water 2646 01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:38,719 team. Um so, I really appreciate that. 2647 01:55:38,719 --> 01:55:40,320 But on to the issue at hand. I think the 2648 01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:42,639 city is asking for an amended water leak 2649 01:55:42,639 --> 01:55:44,960 policy. My fear is in order to give 2650 01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:46,960 money back to businesses and instead of 2651 01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:48,800 holding them accountable to fix the leak 2652 01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:50,960 right away. If it's a residence, usually 2653 01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:52,960 you see the leak and you you you get 2654 01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:55,199 help or you fix it right away. Uh 2655 01:55:55,199 --> 01:55:56,960 meanwhile, I've been unable to secure 2656 01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:59,199 through the public records requests 2657 01:55:59,199 --> 01:56:01,679 process the city's water loss tap 2658 01:56:01,679 --> 01:56:05,280 reports for 2020 through 2025. Uh the 2659 01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:07,679 required 10-day turnaround response time 2660 01:56:07,679 --> 01:56:10,880 is now approaching 65 days. Uh that was 2661 01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:12,880 request was submitted back on June 7th 2662 01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:15,440 and it's and counting. Now I just got a 2663 01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:17,440 quick note while I was sitting here that 2664 01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:19,280 it I might be getting the reports 2665 01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:21,599 tomorrow. Um but historically there 2666 01:56:21,599 --> 01:56:23,440 appears to be a huge amount of water 2667 01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:26,159 consistently around 5 million gallons 2668 01:56:26,159 --> 01:56:29,840 annually that's reported unmetered. This 2669 01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:32,320 is high quality potable water that could 2670 01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:34,239 be build. Yet residents are being asked 2671 01:56:34,239 --> 01:56:36,719 to subsidize this lo with proposed 2672 01:56:36,719 --> 01:56:39,599 higher water rate increases. And uh the 2673 01:56:39,599 --> 01:56:41,199 last batch of publicly available city 2674 01:56:41,199 --> 01:56:43,520 water audits cited outstanding leak 2675 01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:46,000 issues such as customer metering 2676 01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:50,000 inaccuracies as well as build uh build 2677 01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:52,159 meter accuracy. And this was an audit 2678 01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:54,719 done by the AWA and I'm hoping to see 2679 01:56:54,719 --> 01:56:58,320 what that shows in 2021 through 2026. So 2680 01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:00,159 if I get those tap reports over the next 2681 01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:01,599 couple of days, we can look at that and 2682 01:57:01,599 --> 01:57:04,000 see if there's been improvement. Um but 2683 01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:06,159 I won't belver the point about no double 2684 01:57:06,159 --> 01:57:08,400 digit rate increases. But, uh, I'd like 2685 01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:11,119 to see us fixing these things before we 2686 01:57:11,119 --> 01:57:13,440 keep raising rates. If we can bill for 2687 01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:15,679 another even a part portion of the $5 2688 01:57:15,679 --> 01:57:18,560 million in unbillable and it's high 2689 01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:20,320 quality potable water, that would be 2690 01:57:20,320 --> 01:57:25,030 great. Anyways, thank you very much. 2691 01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:28,000 » Okay. And just just a followup, the 2692 01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:31,760 water is capped at a $460. So even a 2693 01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:35,440 business that if they leak $130,000 2694 01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:37,760 gallons, the most that they're going to 2695 01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:41,440 get a break is $460. It's a one time 2696 01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:44,719 just like everybody else. The sewer is 2697 01:57:44,719 --> 01:57:46,960 the difference. They're charged 2698 01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:49,520 differently. And if they're not actually 2699 01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:51,760 using the sewer, I don't they're already 2700 01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:53,840 paying for the additional water. I don't 2701 01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:57,040 I think it's fair that we um write off 2702 01:57:57,040 --> 01:57:59,360 the additional sewer. 2703 01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:02,480 Thank you, Susan. 2704 01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:03,599 Okay. Uh, 2705 01:58:03,599 --> 01:58:06,080 >> any other public comment? 2706 01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:07,599 Okay, seeing none, do I have a motion 2707 01:58:07,599 --> 01:58:09,920 for F1? 2708 01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:10,080 I'd 2709 01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:12,159 >> like to make a motion to adopt a 2710 01:58:12,159 --> 01:58:13,679 resolution entitled the resolution of 2711 01:58:13,679 --> 01:58:14,880 the city council of the city of 2712 01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:16,960 Cloverdale adopting a water and 2713 01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:20,000 commercial sewer leak adjustment policy. 2714 01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:20,719 >> Have a second. 2715 01:58:20,719 --> 01:58:21,280 >> Second. 2716 01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:24,239 >> Okay. Did you get the first and second? 2717 01:58:24,239 --> 01:58:25,840 >> Thank you. 2718 01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:27,280 >> All in favor say I. 2719 01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:30,320 >> I. All oppose say nay. Motion passes 2720 01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:32,239 5-0. 2721 01:58:32,239 --> 01:58:34,159 >> Now 2722 01:58:34,159 --> 01:58:35,440 the other active one we're coming back 2723 01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:37,280 to is F3. Consider adoption of 2724 01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:39,199 resolution approving a contract with DC 2725 01:58:39,199 --> 01:58:41,679 Electric Group Inc. or Traffic Single 2726 01:58:41,679 --> 01:58:43,280 Improvements at the Cloverdale Boulevard 2727 01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:44,800 and Citrus Fair Drive approving a 2728 01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:46,560 measure DD budget amendment and 2729 01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:48,800 authorizing city manager to execute the 2730 01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:51,119 contract. 2731 01:58:51,119 --> 01:58:53,520 >> I can just give a brief report. Uh we 2732 01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:55,520 recently had trouble with the light this 2733 01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:57,920 the traffic signal. We had our DC 2734 01:58:57,920 --> 01:58:59,679 Electric come out and the components in 2735 01:58:59,679 --> 01:59:02,719 there are literally 40 years old. They 2736 01:59:02,719 --> 01:59:04,960 can't get new parts. This budget 2737 01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:07,199 amendment would allow us to upgrade 2738 01:59:07,199 --> 01:59:10,320 including um right now it's in in 2739 01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:13,360 pavement um signals or maybe I'm getting 2740 01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:16,400 that wrong. Uh sensors, sorry. It does 2741 01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:18,159 replace that with camera sensors so that 2742 01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:21,679 it knows if there's uh bicycles or 2743 01:59:21,679 --> 01:59:24,080 pedestrians. So, it's it's pretty 2744 01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:25,440 straightforward. It really needs to be 2745 01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:27,280 done. It's our last. All the other stop 2746 01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:28,800 lights have been upgraded. This is the 2747 01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:32,080 last one and it did fail recently for 2748 01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:34,159 over 24 hours. And so that's why we're 2749 01:59:34,159 --> 01:59:36,719 asking to approve this budget amendment 2750 01:59:36,719 --> 01:59:38,719 so that we can get it fixed and it's 2751 01:59:38,719 --> 01:59:43,510 being proposed with DD money. 2752 01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:45,520 And uh yeah, I did pull this item. I had 2753 01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:48,880 a couple questions. Um 2754 01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:50,880 at the time of the failure, were we able 2755 01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:53,119 to go to like a red flashing light 2756 01:59:53,119 --> 01:59:55,199 option? 2757 01:59:55,199 --> 01:59:57,679 It did go to a red flashing light. Um 2758 01:59:57,679 --> 02:00:02,080 and then um just would like to know what what is the history of the issues 2759 02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:04,560 pre prior to this incident with that 2760 02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:05,840 light. 2761 02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:07,199 >> I don't know that we've had a lot of 2762 02:00:07,199 --> 02:00:09,520 trouble with it. I don't fully know 2763 02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:11,360 that. I do know that when they came out 2764 02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:13,360 to look at it, you Oh, this also 2765 02:00:13,360 --> 02:00:15,119 provides a battery backup which it 2766 02:00:15,119 --> 02:00:18,960 doesn't have for when power outages. Um 2767 02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:20,800 I guess yeah, two thoughts on this. I 2768 02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:23,440 mean, one, um, if you know, the backup 2769 02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:25,520 is the red flashing lights, I think 2770 02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:27,760 that's still a functioning stop 2771 02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:28,480 >> light. 2772 02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:30,880 >> Um, and then the the bigger question is, 2773 02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:33,520 um, you know, around the cameras. Um, do 2774 02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:35,760 we use cameras similar to that anywhere 2775 02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:38,080 else in the city? 2776 02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:39,520 >> Let me see if I can explain this because 2777 02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:42,159 I'm not an expert, but there's sensors 2778 02:00:42,159 --> 02:00:44,560 in the pavement and that's the old way 2779 02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:46,480 to under identify if there's a car 2780 02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:48,639 there. This replaces that with a camera 2781 02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:51,840 and it's more sensitive and it picks up 2782 02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:53,440 pedestrians 2783 02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:56,960 and bicycles where the the older ones 2784 02:00:56,960 --> 02:00:59,040 that were in the pavement didn't didn't 2785 02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:00,800 do that. And so it's really the modern 2786 02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:02,480 technology. I don't think it's even that 2787 02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:04,400 modern. It's been used for quite a 2788 02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:04,719 while. 2789 02:01:04,719 --> 02:01:06,400 >> I mentioned this, you know, in regards 2790 02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:09,760 to the questions on um south of the 2791 02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:12,159 boulevard. Um, you know, people have 2792 02:01:12,159 --> 02:01:14,400 some issues with the the traffic lights 2793 02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:17,520 down there and um, you know, Sanelmo 2794 02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:20,719 does use AI and I'm wondering if this is 2795 02:01:20,719 --> 02:01:22,960 similar to that or do we use cameras at 2796 02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:25,920 all anywhere else? Currently, 2797 02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:27,920 >> I believe we use cameras on the south 2798 02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:30,639 bec that's a a new light. And we did 2799 02:01:30,639 --> 02:01:36,639 upgrade the one on First Street. And I'm not 100% sure that there's cameras 2800 02:01:36,639 --> 02:01:39,679 in there, but any modern signal does use 2801 02:01:39,679 --> 02:01:42,880 the cameras. And so I I will ask about 2802 02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:45,040 the AI because you mentioned that before 2803 02:01:45,040 --> 02:01:46,560 and that sounds like a really good 2804 02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:50,080 solution. Um, so I'll definitely bring 2805 02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:50,639 that up. 2806 02:01:50,639 --> 02:01:52,719 >> You know, with any issue of any any use 2807 02:01:52,719 --> 02:01:55,440 of cameras, um, you know, there's always 2808 02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:57,599 an effect, you know, there they could be 2809 02:01:57,599 --> 02:02:00,159 effective in in monitoring traffic, but 2810 02:02:00,159 --> 02:02:01,520 um, you know, the issue of surveillance 2811 02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:04,239 comes into play. And, you know, that's 2812 02:02:04,239 --> 02:02:05,360 something I just don't want to 2813 02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:09,679 necessarily just um, adopt too too 2814 02:02:09,679 --> 02:02:12,159 easily without fully fully understanding 2815 02:02:12,159 --> 02:02:16,639 um, the circumstances behind that. 2816 02:02:16,639 --> 02:02:18,800 My understanding of this, it is not for 2817 02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:21,520 surveillance at all. It's not a flock 2818 02:02:21,520 --> 02:02:24,000 camera system. It's really just to 2819 02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:26,400 replace those in pavement vehicle 2820 02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:29,760 detention detection loop um systems. I 2821 02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:31,360 don't know chief if you have anything 2822 02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:32,800 about this, but not to put you on the 2823 02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:33,040 spot. 2824 02:02:33,040 --> 02:02:34,480 >> Hey Kevin, I think that I think that 2825 02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:36,880 also the uh lights that we put in the 2826 02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:38,719 last four years down there on the south 2827 02:02:38,719 --> 02:02:41,760 end of town by 7-Eleven and and uh 2828 02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:43,280 Sinclair and all that are camera 2829 02:02:43,280 --> 02:02:43,840 operated. 2830 02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:47,280 >> They are. And I guess that th those 2831 02:02:47,280 --> 02:02:50,239 still our public is having trouble with 2832 02:02:50,239 --> 02:02:53,679 the camera system. 2833 02:02:53,679 --> 02:02:55,440 I I sense that. I mean, I'm not asking 2834 02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:56,480 you for an answer to that, but 2835 02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:58,320 >> Oh, it's it's true. We've been trying to 2836 02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:01,599 adjust the south interchange for over a 2837 02:03:01,599 --> 02:03:04,159 year now to get to get it where we need, 2838 02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:06,880 you know, the turn the turn was a big 2839 02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:09,280 help there where you can turn when it's 2840 02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:12,800 um yellow. So, um this one's a little 2841 02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:14,400 more straightforward. That's an offset 2842 02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:17,119 intersection. It's it's, you know, it it 2843 02:03:17,119 --> 02:03:19,760 functions well um in terms of the the 2844 02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:22,000 lights and everything, but we may have 2845 02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:24,239 not gotten the timing exactly correct 2846 02:03:24,239 --> 02:03:26,159 yet, and we're continue to to look at 2847 02:03:26,159 --> 02:03:27,679 that. This one's a little more 2848 02:03:27,679 --> 02:03:28,880 straightforward. Y 2849 02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:30,719 >> um I mean, we were really told by DC 2850 02:03:30,719 --> 02:03:32,239 Electric that they couldn't find they 2851 02:03:32,239 --> 02:03:34,320 couldn't get the parts to repair what we 2852 02:03:34,320 --> 02:03:36,560 had. So, that's the situation it is. Um, 2853 02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:38,320 you know, I just look at the cost of the 2854 02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:39,760 spending and it looks like something 2855 02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:41,760 that could be kicked down the road. If 2856 02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:44,080 it's continual problem in the future, I 2857 02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:46,719 could be happy to entertain bringing it 2858 02:03:46,719 --> 02:03:48,159 back. 2859 02:03:48,159 --> 02:03:49,920 >> Okay. 2860 02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:53,270 >> Any comments? 2861 02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:54,719 » Yeah. 2862 02:03:54,719 --> 02:03:58,639 >> Uh, to your point, Andre's the uh uh the 2863 02:03:58,639 --> 02:04:01,040 pricing I'm speaking as a as an 2864 02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:04,560 electrician now. pricing looks uh in 2865 02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:07,760 line with the scope of work. Uh to your 2866 02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:09,920 point on the cameras and modern 2867 02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:14,719 technology, the camera serves as a uh 2868 02:04:14,719 --> 02:04:17,520 basically as a contact, right? It it 2869 02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:19,280 opens when nobody's there. When somebody 2870 02:04:19,280 --> 02:04:21,040 appears, the camera sees it, just like 2871 02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:24,239 your uh your ring ring door camera, what 2872 02:04:24,239 --> 02:04:25,280 have you. Mhm. 2873 02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:26,880 >> And I believe it's just a closed loop 2874 02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:28,880 system where the camera picks somebody 2875 02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:31,840 up and is able to, you know, change the 2876 02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:35,280 >> similar change in and and and 2877 02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:36,000 >> Yeah. 2878 02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:37,360 >> green light, red light type of thing. 2879 02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:39,760 So, if you've ever been through Calr 2880 02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:43,199 oneway uh traffic control, like right 2881 02:04:43,199 --> 02:04:44,800 now on Highway One out at the coast, 2882 02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:47,040 they have that and there's no sensors. 2883 02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:49,679 It's a camera and it just picks you up. 2884 02:04:49,679 --> 02:04:52,320 It follows you all the way through and 2885 02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:53,760 picks you up on the other side. And if 2886 02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:55,199 there's no other reading, the cameras 2887 02:04:55,199 --> 02:04:56,560 turn, right? That's the way they're able 2888 02:04:56,560 --> 02:04:59,520 to do the the oneway traffic control. 2889 02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:00,400 >> It's like a sensor. 2890 02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:02,639 >> Technology is closed loop and the camera 2891 02:05:02,639 --> 02:05:03,760 is just like a contact. 2892 02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:04,880 >> Totally understand that. Yeah, I just 2893 02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:06,800 see that technology not really producing 2894 02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:08,480 the results on the south side of town. 2895 02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:12,000 So, I'm just doesn't seem like 2896 02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:13,679 >> something to jump on. If there was, you 2897 02:05:13,679 --> 02:05:15,119 know, that that worked on the south side 2898 02:05:15,119 --> 02:05:16,480 of town, I could see implementing it, 2899 02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:18,080 but don't want to create another traffic 2900 02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:20,719 jam with a system that is not working 2901 02:05:20,719 --> 02:05:25,830 currently. 2902 02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:28,080 Um, yeah, we've had we've had some 2903 02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:29,840 issues. We've had DC Electric out come 2904 02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:31,679 and look at those things uh on the south 2905 02:05:31,679 --> 02:05:33,241 end of town and I know we've 2906 02:05:33,241 --> 02:05:34,960 [clears throat] had to adjust them. They 2907 02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:37,520 were uh I think they got it figured out. 2908 02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:39,280 I couldn't believe they were affected by 2909 02:05:39,280 --> 02:05:42,480 rain and with El Nino coming up, God, I 2910 02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:43,920 hope they're not affected by rain or 2911 02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:48,639 we're going to have traffic jams. But as far as I don't want to create, I 2912 02:05:48,639 --> 02:05:49,760 don't want to kick something down the 2913 02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:52,400 road. I know. And if we can't have 2914 02:05:52,400 --> 02:05:54,159 parts, this thing completely fails on 2915 02:05:54,159 --> 02:05:55,520 us. And now that's one of our main 2916 02:05:55,520 --> 02:05:57,920 entrances into Cloverdale. And then we 2917 02:05:57,920 --> 02:05:59,760 also have people picking up kids. School 2918 02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:02,000 starts tomorrow. We've got a traffic jam 2919 02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:05,199 down there non-stop. So I think we 2920 02:06:05,199 --> 02:06:08,400 should go ahead and we we get the theory 2921 02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:10,560 of the cameras, the contact, the you 2922 02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:11,760 know, running you through and all that. 2923 02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:14,400 And I think that those need to be fixed 2924 02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:18,000 um so we don't cause issues down there. 2925 02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:21,599 and DC Electric also knows how to fix 2926 02:06:21,599 --> 02:06:23,440 has come in and adjusted the ones on the 2927 02:06:23,440 --> 02:06:25,440 south end of town still working on it. 2928 02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:26,400 So, they're going to have the knowledge 2929 02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:27,920 to do these and get it installed 2930 02:06:27,920 --> 02:06:30,159 properly. So, I'm 100% on board with 2931 02:06:30,159 --> 02:06:30,800 this one. 2932 02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:32,960 >> I mean, what what DC told us was they 2933 02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:34,800 could get it to work, but they couldn't 2934 02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:36,079 promise that it was going to work for 2935 02:06:36,079 --> 02:06:37,679 very long and the parts were hard to 2936 02:06:37,679 --> 02:06:39,599 find and so we're just trying to get 2937 02:06:39,599 --> 02:06:41,119 ahead of it. 2938 02:06:41,119 --> 02:06:44,637 >> One more comment. So based on uh 2939 02:06:44,637 --> 02:06:45,199 [clears throat] 2940 02:06:45,199 --> 02:06:47,599 DC Electric says the price assumes ex 2941 02:06:47,599 --> 02:06:50,159 existing conduits are accessible, free 2942 02:06:50,159 --> 02:06:52,159 of debris and in good working order. I 2943 02:06:52,159 --> 02:06:54,239 would uh I would maybe strike that and 2944 02:06:54,239 --> 02:06:56,639 ask them to mandrill the conduits to 2945 02:06:56,639 --> 02:06:58,639 justify their price. 2946 02:06:58,639 --> 02:07:01,040 >> Can you say that again? 2947 02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:04,310 >> Oh man. 2948 02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:06,159 And I would I would support further in 2949 02:07:06,159 --> 02:07:08,159 investigation into this before uh maybe 2950 02:07:08,159 --> 02:07:10,880 we bring it back. 2951 02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:12,320 >> If that's what's your suggestion, I 2952 02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:13,280 would support that. 2953 02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:15,679 >> I would for for me I would just say just 2954 02:07:15,679 --> 02:07:17,360 strike that one and just ask them to 2955 02:07:17,360 --> 02:07:19,199 mander the conduits to justify their 2956 02:07:19,199 --> 02:07:21,119 price. I think the price is in line with 2957 02:07:21,119 --> 02:07:27,270 the scope of work. 2958 02:07:27,280 --> 02:07:28,880 » Would that be an amendment or would we 2959 02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:30,239 bring that back to the council? 2960 02:07:30,239 --> 02:07:31,599 >> Well, with the way that it's going right 2961 02:07:31,599 --> 02:07:32,800 now, it would have to be amended and 2962 02:07:32,800 --> 02:07:33,920 brought back. And so that was going to 2963 02:07:33,920 --> 02:07:35,280 be my question is is this going to 2964 02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:37,599 create a safety hazard or an issue if 2965 02:07:37,599 --> 02:07:39,840 they fail before we're allowed or able 2966 02:07:39,840 --> 02:07:41,679 to fix these things if we don't have a 2967 02:07:41,679 --> 02:07:45,760 special meeting if something happens. 2968 02:07:45,760 --> 02:07:47,679 >> It's hard to know. I mean, I'm just 2969 02:07:47,679 --> 02:07:49,760 going off of what DC Electric told us, 2970 02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:51,599 which is, hey, we got it working, but 2971 02:07:51,599 --> 02:07:54,639 it's it's fragile and it's old and we 2972 02:07:54,639 --> 02:07:56,400 can't guarantee it's going to stay 2973 02:07:56,400 --> 02:07:57,599 working for very long. 2974 02:07:57,599 --> 02:07:59,679 >> I do want to acknowledge the concerns 2975 02:07:59,679 --> 02:08:02,320 from mayor and vice mayor on this. um 2976 02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:05,360 just that the uh the the backup was that 2977 02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:07,599 it was a flashing red light. So I I I 2978 02:08:07,599 --> 02:08:09,280 don't you know we haven't experienced a 2979 02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:12,639 full breakdown. I don't want to just um 2980 02:08:12,639 --> 02:08:13,840 think that everything is going to be a 2981 02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:19,669 worst case scenario necessarily. 2982 02:08:19,679 --> 02:08:21,599 » I agree Kevin on this real quick and I 2983 02:08:21,599 --> 02:08:23,840 agree with with uh Council Member 2984 02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:25,920 Laskkey over there. He's got some pretty 2985 02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:28,560 extensive knowledge on this. I am not 2986 02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:32,000 opposed to striking that what's in there 2987 02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:34,000 and redoing that contract a little bit 2988 02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:35,760 so it gets narrowed down the scope of 2989 02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:37,679 work on that and then actually bringing 2990 02:08:37,679 --> 02:08:40,320 it back at the next meeting if we could. 2991 02:08:40,320 --> 02:08:42,480 >> I would support that. 2992 02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:44,400 >> The amendment you suggested, Council 2993 02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:46,079 Member Laskkey is in the that's in the 2994 02:08:46,079 --> 02:08:47,760 scope of work. 2995 02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:48,239 >> I'm sorry. 2996 02:08:48,239 --> 02:08:50,079 >> The amendment you suggested is would be 2997 02:08:50,079 --> 02:08:52,159 to the scope of work from DC 2998 02:08:52,159 --> 02:08:54,719 >> just that last sentence. I do see that 2999 02:08:54,719 --> 02:08:56,639 he does have contingencies in there 3000 02:08:56,639 --> 02:09:01,280 right now for u for the cost for 6,994. 3001 02:09:01,280 --> 02:09:05,280 So that that might be uh his CYA if the 3002 02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:09,199 conduits do not mandro right there. I I 3003 02:09:09,199 --> 02:09:10,719 imagine he's going to pull out some of 3004 02:09:10,719 --> 02:09:13,679 the existing infrastructure and add his 3005 02:09:13,679 --> 02:09:16,239 uh his cable for the camera. So I'm 3006 02:09:16,239 --> 02:09:18,079 imagine what is that what's the minimum 3007 02:09:18,079 --> 02:09:21,119 size city standards? Inch and a half 3008 02:09:21,119 --> 02:09:21,760 onto it. I 3009 02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:24,000 >> I don't know. Yeah. 3010 02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:25,280 quarter 3011 02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:27,280 >> has not to exceed. 3012 02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:28,880 >> Okay. And then if it's not to exceed, 3013 02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:31,119 then Okay. Yeah. I'm I'm actually fine 3014 02:09:31,119 --> 02:09:32,000 with that. 3015 02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:32,400 >> And 3016 02:09:32,400 --> 02:09:33,920 >> you can leave it as it stands. 3017 02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:35,440 >> For the mayor, if you want to make that 3018 02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:37,679 change, too, we could do that and the 3019 02:09:37,679 --> 02:09:39,840 council could approve that tonight and 3020 02:09:39,840 --> 02:09:42,960 then assuming he agrees, Kevin would 3021 02:09:42,960 --> 02:09:44,800 have the authority to sign the agreement 3022 02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:48,800 with that change. Um is there may be a 3023 02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:50,400 price increase as long as it's within 3024 02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:53,040 the total not to exceed amount. If it 3025 02:09:53,040 --> 02:09:55,599 would create a large impact, then we'd 3026 02:09:55,599 --> 02:09:57,760 need to come back for further approval. 3027 02:09:57,760 --> 02:09:59,119 >> Well, and I I think that's actually 3028 02:09:59,119 --> 02:10:01,760 covered uh council member's concern is 3029 02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:04,239 covered by the not to exceed. So, I 3030 02:10:04,239 --> 02:10:07,040 think that it's actually uh almost a 3031 02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:10,800 moot point at this point. Yeah. 3032 02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:13,679 >> So, I have no more comments. Any more 3033 02:10:13,679 --> 02:10:14,079 comments? 3034 02:10:14,079 --> 02:10:16,079 >> Sounds good. I I support my council on 3035 02:10:16,079 --> 02:10:16,480 this. 3036 02:10:16,480 --> 02:10:17,360 >> Okay. 3037 02:10:17,360 --> 02:10:19,599 >> Public comments. We have Do we have any 3038 02:10:19,599 --> 02:10:21,920 public comments on this item? Go ahead, 3039 02:10:21,920 --> 02:10:37,189 Jennifer. 3040 02:10:37,199 --> 02:10:47,910 » Yeah, 3041 02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:51,280 » what is what is f 3042 02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:54,310 Okay. 3043 02:10:54,320 --> 02:10:58,709 Yeah. 3044 02:10:58,719 --> 02:11:02,310 Thank you. 3045 02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:04,880 » So, I'm going to ad Whoa, that's loud. 3046 02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:06,639 I'm going to admit I'm a total nerd and 3047 02:11:06,639 --> 02:11:08,719 I'd love to contribute to this 3048 02:11:08,719 --> 02:11:12,880 conversation, but I have a P request 3049 02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:16,079 specifically for concerns about traffic 3050 02:11:16,079 --> 02:11:18,880 impact and signal performance results. I 3051 02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:23,199 submitted this public request 125 days 3052 02:11:23,199 --> 02:11:28,079 ago um on April 8th. So maybe that's one 3053 02:11:28,079 --> 02:11:30,960 P request of my three that haven't been 3054 02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:34,320 addressed that maybe could be addressed. 3055 02:11:34,320 --> 02:11:40,950 Thank you. 3056 02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:43,280 » Any other public comment? 3057 02:11:43,280 --> 02:11:45,280 >> Okay, I'm seeing none. 3058 02:11:45,280 --> 02:11:47,760 >> I'd like to make a motion by title only. 3059 02:11:47,760 --> 02:11:49,119 uh adopt a resolution entitled 3060 02:11:49,119 --> 02:11:50,400 resolution of the city council of the 3061 02:11:50,400 --> 02:11:52,400 city of Cloverdale approving a contact 3062 02:11:52,400 --> 02:11:55,119 contract with DC Electric Group 3063 02:11:55,119 --> 02:11:56,960 Incorporated for traffic signal 3064 02:11:56,960 --> 02:11:58,400 improvements at Cloverdale Boulevard and 3065 02:11:58,400 --> 02:12:00,400 Citrus Fair Drive in the amount of 3066 02:12:00,400 --> 02:12:02,719 $69,940 3067 02:12:02,719 --> 02:12:05,360 authorizing a 10% contingency in the 3068 02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:08,079 amount of $6,994 3069 02:12:08,079 --> 02:12:10,480 for a total not to exceed amount of 3070 02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:13,040 $76,934 3071 02:12:13,040 --> 02:12:16,079 approving a measure DD budget amendment 3072 02:12:16,079 --> 02:12:18,000 and authorizing the city manager to 3073 02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:19,760 execute the contract and related 3074 02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:21,280 documents. 3075 02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:23,119 >> Second. 3076 02:12:23,119 --> 02:12:24,480 >> All in favor say I. 3077 02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:25,199 >> I. I. 3078 02:12:25,199 --> 02:12:26,480 >> Post say nay. 3079 02:12:26,480 --> 02:12:27,760 >> Motion passes 5. 3080 02:12:27,760 --> 02:12:30,320 >> All right. And okay folks, we're going 3081 02:12:30,320 --> 02:12:32,480 to take a fivem minute recess right now 3082 02:12:32,480 --> 02:12:35,119 before we get into F5. So bear with 5 3083 02:12:35,119 --> 02:19:25,429 minute recess. 3084 02:19:25,439 --> 02:19:33,589 Got 3085 02:19:33,599 --> 02:19:35,679 to feed my dogs and I want to go home. 3086 02:19:35,679 --> 02:19:37,439 >> Your Oh, they're your dogs now. I'm 3087 02:19:37,439 --> 02:19:47,990 going to tell you 3088 02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:57,830 All 3089 02:19:57,840 --> 02:19:59,359 right, guys. We call the meeting back to 3090 02:19:59,359 --> 02:20:02,479 order and let's move into F5, final one 3091 02:20:02,479 --> 02:20:03,760 on the consent calendar ordinance 3092 02:20:03,760 --> 02:20:05,600 amending Cloverdale Municipal Code 3093 02:20:05,600 --> 02:20:08,319 section 2.04.010 3094 02:20:08,319 --> 02:20:11,359 compensation for council members. 3095 02:20:11,359 --> 02:20:13,280 >> Thanks, Mayor. Uh, I'll just be very 3096 02:20:13,280 --> 02:20:14,960 brief. The council introduced this 3097 02:20:14,960 --> 02:20:18,720 ordinance at the last meeting uh to uh 3098 02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:21,200 decrease the council member compensation 3099 02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:25,920 from $950 a month uh to $300 a month. Uh 3100 02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:28,560 that was uh at the last council meeting 3101 02:20:28,560 --> 02:20:30,560 and there's a second reading tonight for 3102 02:20:30,560 --> 02:20:34,550 adoption. 3103 02:20:34,560 --> 02:20:35,920 » Yeah. 3104 02:20:35,920 --> 02:20:39,439 >> Um I have some arguments against the pay 3105 02:20:39,439 --> 02:20:41,680 cut. It creates barriers for 3106 02:20:41,680 --> 02:20:45,120 workingclass residents. It lowers it's 3107 02:20:45,120 --> 02:20:46,640 lowering the pay makes the position 3108 02:20:46,640 --> 02:20:49,840 virtually voluntary making it nearly 3109 02:20:49,840 --> 02:20:51,840 impossible for working professionals, 3110 02:20:51,840 --> 02:20:54,319 single parents or lowincome residents to 3111 02:20:54,319 --> 02:20:57,040 afford the time away from their jobs. 3112 02:20:57,040 --> 02:20:59,439 It's limiting the candidate pool which 3113 02:20:59,439 --> 02:21:01,120 is going to be really important when we 3114 02:21:01,120 --> 02:21:04,240 break into districts. A reduced stipen 3115 02:21:04,240 --> 02:21:06,720 restricts future candidates mostly to 3116 02:21:06,720 --> 02:21:09,200 retirees or the independently wealthy 3117 02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:12,560 who do not rely on a stipen to offset 3118 02:21:12,560 --> 02:21:14,960 living costs or lost wages. It's 3119 02:21:14,960 --> 02:21:16,880 ignoring the real-time commitment. 3120 02:21:16,880 --> 02:21:18,800 Serving on the council involves long 3121 02:21:18,800 --> 02:21:21,600 hours reviewing complex city agendas, 3122 02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:24,240 attending meetings, and managing 3123 02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:26,240 communications with residents that go 3124 02:21:26,240 --> 02:21:28,800 well beyond a casual volunteer role. 3125 02:21:28,800 --> 02:21:32,000 It's a undoing progress on diversity. 3126 02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:36,240 It's um it helps having an adequate 3127 02:21:36,240 --> 02:21:38,319 stipen helps level the playing field so 3128 02:21:38,319 --> 02:21:40,080 diverse community members can run for 3129 02:21:40,080 --> 02:21:42,960 office without sacrificing basic 3130 02:21:42,960 --> 02:21:45,680 financial stability. The reduction in 3131 02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:48,399 council's stipen represents a negligible 3132 02:21:48,399 --> 02:21:50,240 fraction of the city's budget because 3133 02:21:50,240 --> 02:21:54,240 the total annual savings of $39,000 3134 02:21:54,240 --> 02:21:57,280 amounts to roughly 0.26%. 3135 02:21:57,280 --> 02:21:59,200 26% 3136 02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:03,040 of Cloverdale's 14.9 million annual 3137 02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:09,200 general fund spending. Um, you know, it comes across like I think it was 3138 02:22:09,200 --> 02:22:12,000 introduced to be um make impactful 3139 02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:15,200 savings, but it really doesn't. It's um 3140 02:22:15,200 --> 02:22:17,760 the cut is a symbolic gesture of fiscal 3141 02:22:17,760 --> 02:22:20,240 responsibility rather than a meaningful 3142 02:22:20,240 --> 02:22:23,040 financial solution. It strips away 3143 02:22:23,040 --> 02:22:25,040 standard compensation while leaving the 3144 02:22:25,040 --> 02:22:27,520 city's structural revenue issues 3145 02:22:27,520 --> 02:22:29,600 completely unressed. 3146 02:22:29,600 --> 02:22:32,319 Um, the Sonoma City Council voted 4 to1 3147 02:22:32,319 --> 02:22:34,960 on August 5, 3148 02:22:34,960 --> 02:22:37,439 2026 to introduce an ordinance that 3149 02:22:37,439 --> 02:22:41,120 moves their monthly stipen to 950. The 3150 02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:43,600 Sebastapole City Council voted 3 to1 on 3151 02:22:43,600 --> 02:22:47,359 July 7, 2026 to finalize and pass the 3152 02:22:47,359 --> 02:22:49,280 ordinance raising their monthly stipen 3153 02:22:49,280 --> 02:22:52,160 from 30950. 3154 02:22:52,160 --> 02:22:54,080 When it was first introduced at our 3155 02:22:54,080 --> 02:22:55,760 budget meeting, it seemed like it had 3156 02:22:55,760 --> 02:22:57,439 been something that all three of the 3157 02:22:57,439 --> 02:22:59,840 people that were for it had already 3158 02:22:59,840 --> 02:23:03,200 discussed and um kind of did a daisy 3159 02:23:03,200 --> 02:23:05,920 chain on. So, I just think um it's kind 3160 02:23:05,920 --> 02:23:07,760 of like a corrupt thing and I think it 3161 02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:11,680 would be better if we left it the same. 3162 02:23:11,680 --> 02:23:13,439 >> Any other comments? 3163 02:23:13,439 --> 02:23:15,920 >> Um I think Council Member Morgan Stern, 3164 02:23:15,920 --> 02:23:18,000 you made some really good points on 3165 02:23:18,000 --> 02:23:19,840 this. Um you know, I've come to 3166 02:23:19,840 --> 02:23:22,479 understand the benefits of having the 3167 02:23:22,479 --> 02:23:24,880 option for a stipen. I would ask my 3168 02:23:24,880 --> 02:23:26,960 fellow council members to reconsider the 3169 02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:31,760 option to opt out. Um 3170 02:23:31,760 --> 02:23:34,720 and uh just want to 3171 02:23:34,720 --> 02:23:38,399 really go back to our last meeting that 3172 02:23:38,399 --> 02:23:42,880 um there was a um outburst of expletives 3173 02:23:42,880 --> 02:23:44,720 made by our mayor that was quoted in the 3174 02:23:44,720 --> 02:23:50,640 press Democrat and I would like to ask you to really explain what you meant 3175 02:23:50,640 --> 02:23:53,520 uh by the quote it's the white guys or 3176 02:23:53,520 --> 02:23:55,760 it's the guys up here that are doing 3177 02:23:55,760 --> 02:23:56,960 everything they can to make sure 3178 02:23:56,960 --> 02:23:58,960 Cloverdale makes it through. I would 3179 02:23:58,960 --> 02:24:00,560 absolutely love to explain that. That 3180 02:24:00,560 --> 02:24:02,160 was totally taken out of context and 3181 02:24:02,160 --> 02:24:03,760 that was not what was said. What was 3182 02:24:03,760 --> 02:24:06,319 said in the outburst was is and I'm 3183 02:24:06,319 --> 02:24:08,240 going to say it again since the age of 3184 02:24:08,240 --> 02:24:10,560 10 when I'm continually told up here 3185 02:24:10,560 --> 02:24:12,800 that [laughter] hey, you guys are the 3186 02:24:12,800 --> 02:24:14,720 privileged white guys up here. No, 3187 02:24:14,720 --> 02:24:16,800 that's not it. What we've done is busted 3188 02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:18,560 I've busted my ass since I was 10 years 3189 02:24:18,560 --> 02:24:21,359 old. And uh like I said, I'm going to do 3190 02:24:21,359 --> 02:24:23,040 say the exact same thing. We don't have 3191 02:24:23,040 --> 02:24:26,399 your crony here to re unquote stuff. So, 3192 02:24:26,399 --> 02:24:28,640 um, bottom line is I wish my father was 3193 02:24:28,640 --> 02:24:30,319 here. I've been driving a shovel since I 3194 02:24:30,319 --> 02:24:32,479 was 10 and I've earned absolutely 3195 02:24:32,479 --> 02:24:33,760 everything I got. So, when you say, 3196 02:24:33,760 --> 02:24:35,520 "Hey, oh, these guys with a pension, you 3197 02:24:35,520 --> 02:24:36,800 know how you get a pension? You earn 3198 02:24:36,800 --> 02:24:39,280 it." And that's exactly what I did. So, 3199 02:24:39,280 --> 02:24:41,280 for the misquote in the press, Democrat, 3200 02:24:41,280 --> 02:24:42,800 that's great. If you read that rag, 3201 02:24:42,800 --> 02:24:44,800 that's good. But the bottom line is I 3202 02:24:44,800 --> 02:24:46,560 did not say it's the white guys making 3203 02:24:46,560 --> 02:24:48,560 things happen up here. Totally taken out 3204 02:24:48,560 --> 02:24:50,560 of context and that's completely untrue 3205 02:24:50,560 --> 02:24:52,080 on the record. There you go. 3206 02:24:52,080 --> 02:24:54,640 >> Okay. And I'll just continue my comment. 3207 02:24:54,640 --> 02:24:57,920 Um, the quote was your actual words. You 3208 02:24:57,920 --> 02:25:00,399 did say it was the white guys. Um, 3209 02:25:00,399 --> 02:25:02,640 nobody mentioned race in this 3210 02:25:02,640 --> 02:25:05,600 discussion. And so that's where I'm 3211 02:25:05,600 --> 02:25:08,479 curious about why you brought up race. 3212 02:25:08,479 --> 02:25:11,280 The conversation was about diversity. 3213 02:25:11,280 --> 02:25:12,960 And diversity means diversity of 3214 02:25:12,960 --> 02:25:15,359 opinion. Uh when you certainly see a 3215 02:25:15,359 --> 02:25:19,359 group of three council members who don't 3216 02:25:19,359 --> 02:25:23,120 um delegate in public, it gives a 3217 02:25:23,120 --> 02:25:26,399 perception that there's a group. So um 3218 02:25:26,399 --> 02:25:27,760 I'm going to ask you a question about 3219 02:25:27,760 --> 02:25:29,200 the group that you mentioned as the 3220 02:25:29,200 --> 02:25:31,520 white guys. Um am I included in that 3221 02:25:31,520 --> 02:25:37,349 group? 3222 02:25:37,359 --> 02:25:39,439 » Um it was your actual words, but if you 3223 02:25:39,439 --> 02:25:42,560 can speak on the mic. 3224 02:25:42,560 --> 02:25:44,399 I'm not going to engage with you. Your 3225 02:25:44,399 --> 02:25:46,000 intention was to come here and stir the 3226 02:25:46,000 --> 02:25:47,680 pot tonight like it always is at most 3227 02:25:47,680 --> 02:25:49,600 council meetings. So, that's where I'm 3228 02:25:49,600 --> 02:25:50,000 at. 3229 02:25:50,000 --> 02:25:51,920 >> So, I'll I'll read my I'll read my 3230 02:25:51,920 --> 02:25:53,680 questions. I'll read my questions out 3231 02:25:53,680 --> 02:25:56,960 loud. The questions I have for the mayor 3232 02:25:56,960 --> 02:25:59,040 about his comment about the group of 3233 02:25:59,040 --> 02:26:01,359 white guys when nobody mentioned race 3234 02:26:01,359 --> 02:26:03,680 during the meeting is I wonder am I 3235 02:26:03,680 --> 02:26:06,399 included in that group? 3236 02:26:06,399 --> 02:26:08,720 >> Is council member excuse me? 3237 02:26:08,720 --> 02:26:11,760 >> Sure you are. I don't see anything else. 3238 02:26:11,760 --> 02:26:13,439 I see people up here and I did not say 3239 02:26:13,439 --> 02:26:13,760 that. 3240 02:26:13,760 --> 02:26:15,120 >> So, when you said it's the white guys 3241 02:26:15,120 --> 02:26:16,160 getting everything done, were you 3242 02:26:16,160 --> 02:26:17,920 excluding Council Member Morgan Stern as 3243 02:26:17,920 --> 02:26:20,720 a woman? 3244 02:26:20,720 --> 02:26:22,160 >> These are my question because race was 3245 02:26:22,160 --> 02:26:25,840 never mentioned. And um 3246 02:26:25,840 --> 02:26:27,920 do all members of your described 3247 02:26:27,920 --> 02:26:30,399 grouping live up to the required 3248 02:26:30,399 --> 02:26:33,040 responsibilities of the city council? 3249 02:26:33,040 --> 02:26:36,319 And I would like to see our list of 3250 02:26:36,319 --> 02:26:38,240 responsibilities that our city clerk put 3251 02:26:38,240 --> 02:26:40,800 out in our candidates handbook. And I 3252 02:26:40,800 --> 02:26:42,960 just want to read the responsibilities. 3253 02:26:42,960 --> 02:26:45,280 Um, so this isn't about pay. This is 3254 02:26:45,280 --> 02:26:46,560 about the work that we should all do, 3255 02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:50,720 whether we're getting paid $0, $5, 300, 3256 02:26:50,720 --> 02:26:53,280 or, you know, 950. Uh, the 3257 02:26:53,280 --> 02:26:55,520 responsibilities of our city council are 3258 02:26:55,520 --> 02:26:57,520 to review agenda materials and prepare 3259 02:26:57,520 --> 02:26:59,920 for meetings. 3260 02:26:59,920 --> 02:27:03,040 Review agenda materials and prepare. 3261 02:27:03,040 --> 02:27:05,760 Participation in open and transparent 3262 02:27:05,760 --> 02:27:08,080 decisionmaking. 3263 02:27:08,080 --> 02:27:12,160 open and transparent decision-making 3264 02:27:12,160 --> 02:27:15,359 to listen to residents, businesses, and 3265 02:27:15,359 --> 02:27:18,000 community stakeholders. 3266 02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:20,319 And I just want to call out the June 3267 02:27:20,319 --> 02:27:22,800 10th meeting uh during our budget 3268 02:27:22,800 --> 02:27:26,000 adoption at 3 hours and 45 minutes and 3269 02:27:26,000 --> 02:27:30,560 50 seconds. deliberation was done 3270 02:27:30,560 --> 02:27:34,640 not publicly but very visibly 3271 02:27:34,640 --> 02:27:37,200 between council members to push the 3272 02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:40,000 budget forward when we still had another 3273 02:27:40,000 --> 02:27:43,520 meeting to deliberate. So we had half 3274 02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:45,200 this room filled up with members of the 3275 02:27:45,200 --> 02:27:48,319 public that were not listened to and 3276 02:27:48,319 --> 02:27:51,680 deliberation was not done transparently. 3277 02:27:51,680 --> 02:27:54,479 Um, also the other then and and that 3278 02:27:54,479 --> 02:27:56,800 goes to responsibility listed here. 3279 02:27:56,800 --> 02:27:58,560 Number five, 3280 02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:00,960 follow the Brown Act and ethical 3281 02:28:00,960 --> 02:28:03,280 governance requirements. 3282 02:28:03,280 --> 02:28:05,520 And also number four, work 3283 02:28:05,520 --> 02:28:07,520 collaboratively with fellow council 3284 02:28:07,520 --> 02:28:10,160 members and staff. And 3285 02:28:10,160 --> 02:28:11,920 I don't see our council living up to 3286 02:28:11,920 --> 02:28:16,000 those responsibilities. I hope they can. 3287 02:28:16,000 --> 02:28:18,080 So, it's not about pay, but it's about 3288 02:28:18,080 --> 02:28:20,880 the work that we are appointed, elected 3289 02:28:20,880 --> 02:28:23,840 to do that we should live up to do that 3290 02:28:23,840 --> 02:28:27,120 work. And you know, if if cutting your 3291 02:28:27,120 --> 02:28:28,960 pay 3292 02:28:28,960 --> 02:28:30,640 gives you some type of credit, let's 3293 02:28:30,640 --> 02:28:32,000 look at the work that's being done and 3294 02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:33,200 that we should live up to the 3295 02:28:33,200 --> 02:28:35,280 responsibilities that we're here to 3296 02:28:35,280 --> 02:28:36,800 perform for the residents of this 3297 02:28:36,800 --> 02:28:39,200 community. 3298 02:28:39,200 --> 02:28:40,880 And the other question I would have for 3299 02:28:40,880 --> 02:28:43,200 the mayor is, did you vote to raise the 3300 02:28:43,200 --> 02:28:47,520 stipen for your time on council? 3301 02:28:47,520 --> 02:28:48,720 >> Yes, I did. 3302 02:28:48,720 --> 02:28:50,800 >> Okay. And my my final question to you 3303 02:28:50,800 --> 02:28:53,040 is, are you voting to lower the stipen 3304 02:28:53,040 --> 02:28:55,840 now that you don't seek re-election? 3305 02:28:55,840 --> 02:28:58,080 >> No, I was voting to lower the stipen. 3306 02:28:58,080 --> 02:29:00,080 And the my thought precipice behind 3307 02:29:00,080 --> 02:29:02,399 lowering the stipen is we had a council 3308 02:29:02,399 --> 02:29:04,960 member uh after that budget meeting that 3309 02:29:04,960 --> 02:29:06,800 I guess wasn't transparent but was 3310 02:29:06,800 --> 02:29:08,800 scheduled and was open to the public 3311 02:29:08,800 --> 02:29:10,560 went around pretty much and and talked 3312 02:29:10,560 --> 02:29:12,640 to most nonprofits there which I think 3313 02:29:12,640 --> 02:29:16,479 should be uh maybe funded uh they should 3314 02:29:16,479 --> 02:29:18,080 go out and it shouldn't be one of those 3315 02:29:18,080 --> 02:29:19,600 hey I'm going to hold out my hand and 3316 02:29:19,600 --> 02:29:21,359 Cloverdale's got money and and we're 3317 02:29:21,359 --> 02:29:22,640 going to we're going to go ahead and 3318 02:29:22,640 --> 02:29:24,640 fill it with Cloverdale money is is why 3319 02:29:24,640 --> 02:29:27,040 I was like okay no problem. So, as a 3320 02:29:27,040 --> 02:29:28,720 public servant, what I wanted to do was 3321 02:29:28,720 --> 02:29:30,640 like, okay, so if we're going to fund 3322 02:29:30,640 --> 02:29:32,399 some things and we've already committed 3323 02:29:32,399 --> 02:29:34,560 to funding those things, then let's go 3324 02:29:34,560 --> 02:29:36,720 as a public servant and take some of our 3325 02:29:36,720 --> 02:29:38,560 money and let's go ahead and lower us. 3326 02:29:38,560 --> 02:29:40,000 Then we have the money and we can fund 3327 02:29:40,000 --> 02:29:41,760 these nonprofits that were guaranteed 3328 02:29:41,760 --> 02:29:45,030 money. 3329 02:29:45,040 --> 02:29:46,640 » I'm not sure what you just said. It was 3330 02:29:46,640 --> 02:29:48,960 kind of a babble, but uh u you know, 3331 02:29:48,960 --> 02:29:50,960 when you're working on a budget, there's 3332 02:29:50,960 --> 02:29:53,439 no commitment there until it's passed. 3333 02:29:53,439 --> 02:29:55,520 The budget was passed three to two. 3334 02:29:55,520 --> 02:29:58,240 Deliberation was done in private on 3335 02:29:58,240 --> 02:30:01,040 camera and you can see that at the June 3336 02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:04,080 10th meeting at 3 hours 45 minutes and 3337 02:30:04,080 --> 02:30:06,880 50 seconds. It was a Brown Act violation 3338 02:30:06,880 --> 02:30:10,880 recorded. So check it out, [snorts] 3339 02:30:10,880 --> 02:30:12,880 you know, and and going to talk to our 3340 02:30:12,880 --> 02:30:14,560 community to find out what the needs are 3341 02:30:14,560 --> 02:30:16,000 and if there's some organizations 3342 02:30:16,000 --> 02:30:19,359 struggling. Is there an issue with that? 3343 02:30:19,359 --> 02:30:21,600 Is it is it beneficial to our community 3344 02:30:21,600 --> 02:30:23,359 to fund organizations that are putting 3345 02:30:23,359 --> 02:30:26,399 $15,000 in their reserves when people 3346 02:30:26,399 --> 02:30:29,040 are not being fed in this community? And 3347 02:30:29,040 --> 02:30:30,800 you and you you you mentioned the food 3348 02:30:30,800 --> 02:30:33,040 pantry at the last meeting. You haven't 3349 02:30:33,040 --> 02:30:36,560 stepped a foot inside the food pantry. 3350 02:30:36,560 --> 02:30:38,399 Uh actually I have and that was while I 3351 02:30:38,399 --> 02:30:39,920 was working with the city and I wondered 3352 02:30:39,920 --> 02:30:41,840 why when we had all the homeless folks 3353 02:30:41,840 --> 02:30:44,000 in town and I was actually working with 3354 02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:45,920 the city picking up trash and mowing 3355 02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:48,560 lawn mowing the parks for the city and I 3356 02:30:48,560 --> 02:30:50,240 actually drove over there and said why 3357 02:30:50,240 --> 02:30:53,040 are you guys is there any way you can 3358 02:30:53,040 --> 02:30:54,880 not and waste this food that you're 3359 02:30:54,880 --> 02:30:56,240 wasting right now because you're giving 3360 02:30:56,240 --> 02:30:58,800 it to folks that you know cannot or have 3361 02:30:58,800 --> 02:31:01,439 the ability to cook it. So what happened 3362 02:31:01,439 --> 02:31:03,840 was almost every Monday, Wednesday, and 3363 02:31:03,840 --> 02:31:05,280 Friday, I would walk down and or 3364 02:31:05,280 --> 02:31:07,359 whenever the food distribution was and 3365 02:31:07,359 --> 02:31:11,520 I'd find boxes of food in the planters 3366 02:31:11,520 --> 02:31:13,200 if I put my hand on them. 3367 02:31:13,200 --> 02:31:14,479 >> Mr. Mayor, point of order. 3368 02:31:14,479 --> 02:31:14,800 >> Y, 3369 02:31:14,800 --> 02:31:16,240 >> we're getting way off topic with this 3370 02:31:16,240 --> 02:31:18,000 and we need to get back in line with 3371 02:31:18,000 --> 02:31:20,240 what the agenda item is, please. 3372 02:31:20,240 --> 02:31:32,230 >> Thank you. 3373 02:31:32,240 --> 02:31:34,960 I think this is a good idea uh based on 3374 02:31:34,960 --> 02:31:39,359 size of our city and our budget that we 3375 02:31:39,359 --> 02:31:40,880 give more money back to the community 3376 02:31:40,880 --> 02:31:42,640 than to ourselves because this is not a 3377 02:31:42,640 --> 02:31:45,439 position to make money on if it's going 3378 02:31:45,439 --> 02:31:48,319 to affect elections. We currently have 3379 02:31:48,319 --> 02:31:51,280 five women and four men that are seeking 3380 02:31:51,280 --> 02:31:55,680 seats. They average from I I think late 3381 02:31:55,680 --> 02:31:59,280 20s into their 70s. So we have a pretty 3382 02:31:59,280 --> 02:32:02,240 good different demographic. Uh you can 3383 02:32:02,240 --> 02:32:05,520 do it age, race, and gender. And so this 3384 02:32:05,520 --> 02:32:07,840 is a great a group of people that are 3385 02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:10,640 running for election for 2026. And it is 3386 02:32:10,640 --> 02:32:12,720 not based on the pay. So obviously that 3387 02:32:12,720 --> 02:32:14,000 doesn't make a difference. And so I'm 3388 02:32:14,000 --> 02:32:20,469 excited for this. 3389 02:32:20,479 --> 02:32:24,319 So when I when I ran for office, I did I 3390 02:32:24,319 --> 02:32:27,600 did so under the guise that I wanted to 3391 02:32:27,600 --> 02:32:30,319 know where my tax dollars were going. I 3392 02:32:30,319 --> 02:32:32,800 had no idea what the compensation was 3393 02:32:32,800 --> 02:32:35,200 and and that was not a goal for me at 3394 02:32:35,200 --> 02:32:40,640 all. Uh, like I said, I would rather do this for free and make 3395 02:32:40,640 --> 02:32:45,439 an impact and not be here to uh, you 3396 02:32:45,439 --> 02:32:48,000 know, as they say, ride the pine and 3397 02:32:48,000 --> 02:32:51,280 just take the compensation. Uh, it's uh, 3398 02:32:51,280 --> 02:32:54,240 it's a thankless job indeed. And then 3399 02:32:54,240 --> 02:32:56,000 you have to have somewhat of a passion 3400 02:32:56,000 --> 02:32:58,640 to help your community uh, to do this 3401 02:32:58,640 --> 02:33:01,520 job. So, like I said, I I I didn't get 3402 02:33:01,520 --> 02:33:05,040 off the couch to uh 3403 02:33:05,040 --> 02:33:07,680 get any kind of compensation for what uh 3404 02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:10,399 what I can lend to the city. So, there's 3405 02:33:10,399 --> 02:33:18,469 that. 3406 02:33:18,479 --> 02:33:21,439 The last thing I'm going to say is we're 3407 02:33:21,439 --> 02:33:22,800 not here to be supported by the 3408 02:33:22,800 --> 02:33:24,399 community. We're here to support the 3409 02:33:24,399 --> 02:33:26,160 community and do what we can. So, I 3410 02:33:26,160 --> 02:33:27,680 think it's backwards thinking to think 3411 02:33:27,680 --> 02:33:30,160 that we should be uh getting as much pay 3412 02:33:30,160 --> 02:33:32,560 as possible versus uh doing a public 3413 02:33:32,560 --> 02:33:34,399 service like this position is created 3414 02:33:34,399 --> 02:33:37,670 for. 3415 02:33:37,680 --> 02:33:39,760 » I think this whole thing was weaponized. 3416 02:33:39,760 --> 02:33:42,080 You brought it up, Todd, at the budget 3417 02:33:42,080 --> 02:33:44,080 meeting. You got that far away from my 3418 02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:46,640 face when you said it and then our 3419 02:33:46,640 --> 02:33:48,479 attorney over there was smirking and 3420 02:33:48,479 --> 02:33:50,560 smiling like this was all planned out. 3421 02:33:50,560 --> 02:33:52,479 So, I just think let's be transparent 3422 02:33:52,479 --> 02:33:54,240 and let the public know exactly what 3423 02:33:54,240 --> 02:33:57,120 happened. Absolutely. In 2024, I voted 3424 02:33:57,120 --> 02:33:59,600 against this. I've never supported it. 3425 02:33:59,600 --> 02:34:02,240 We should have never been making $950 3426 02:34:02,240 --> 02:34:03,920 and I still don't support it. And so, 3427 02:34:03,920 --> 02:34:05,280 the second that we it was brought back 3428 02:34:05,280 --> 02:34:07,600 to us as a possibility, I brought it up 3429 02:34:07,600 --> 02:34:09,439 again. That's exactly how it worked. It 3430 02:34:09,439 --> 02:34:11,439 was not in your face. It was not 3431 02:34:11,439 --> 02:34:15,040 vindictive. It was that we do not take 3432 02:34:15,040 --> 02:34:18,319 this position in public service to 3433 02:34:18,319 --> 02:34:21,520 profit. We do it to help our community. 3434 02:34:21,520 --> 02:34:23,200 Well, then you should have donated your 3435 02:34:23,200 --> 02:34:25,200 salary this whole two years, but you 3436 02:34:25,200 --> 02:34:27,120 didn't. And you say that you give the 3437 02:34:27,120 --> 02:34:29,120 city $1,000 a month, but you have no 3438 02:34:29,120 --> 02:34:29,600 receipts. 3439 02:34:29,600 --> 02:34:31,600 >> I'm not going to go down said he spent 3440 02:34:31,600 --> 02:34:37,190 $140 on candy. It's all just 3441 02:34:37,200 --> 02:34:39,280 » All right. So, 3442 02:34:39,280 --> 02:34:40,560 go ahead. 3443 02:34:40,560 --> 02:34:43,280 >> Do we have any public comment on this? 3444 02:34:43,280 --> 02:34:58,630 Yeah, come on down. 3445 02:34:58,640 --> 02:35:00,560 All the years that I was on council, we 3446 02:35:00,560 --> 02:35:04,000 got 200 or 300 bucks. That was it. Um, 3447 02:35:04,000 --> 02:35:06,800 it didn't even cover gas to meetings. 3448 02:35:06,800 --> 02:35:10,160 We're in Cloverdale here, long ways from 3449 02:35:10,160 --> 02:35:12,479 a lot of the meetings you have to go to. 3450 02:35:12,479 --> 02:35:15,280 And gas is very expensive. You're 3451 02:35:15,280 --> 02:35:17,760 eliminating a whole class of people by 3452 02:35:17,760 --> 02:35:20,160 lowering this the way it is. Every town 3453 02:35:20,160 --> 02:35:23,680 around here is going to be 950 shortly. 3454 02:35:23,680 --> 02:35:25,680 So, you look at that and you think, 3455 02:35:25,680 --> 02:35:27,600 okay, so what is it that you get if you 3456 02:35:27,600 --> 02:35:30,160 go run for council? Um, I don't know the 3457 02:35:30,160 --> 02:35:32,080 public public really knows that, but you 3458 02:35:32,080 --> 02:35:35,280 get medical. You get your medical paid 3459 02:35:35,280 --> 02:35:39,040 for or most of it paid for. Then you get 3460 02:35:39,040 --> 02:35:41,600 this stipen which in my case was very 3461 02:35:41,600 --> 02:35:44,640 little but you also get the ability to 3462 02:35:44,640 --> 02:35:46,960 turn in receipts. 3463 02:35:46,960 --> 02:35:49,040 Have any of you ever turned a receipt in 3464 02:35:49,040 --> 02:35:53,760 for a hotel, for gasoline, for the big 3465 02:35:53,760 --> 02:35:55,920 uh group things that you guys go to? 3466 02:35:55,920 --> 02:35:58,240 Like when you went down to Southern 3467 02:35:58,240 --> 02:36:00,960 California, did anybody turn in a hotel? 3468 02:36:00,960 --> 02:36:02,800 Was the city did the city pay for that 3469 02:36:02,800 --> 02:36:04,640 hotel when you guys went down there? 3470 02:36:04,640 --> 02:36:06,160 >> I would I would really ask that you uh 3471 02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:07,439 comment on that. Michael, since you're 3472 02:36:07,439 --> 02:36:08,399 in charge, could you tell how many 3473 02:36:08,399 --> 02:36:09,760 receipts I've turned in the last six 3474 02:36:09,760 --> 02:36:11,760 years? 3475 02:36:11,760 --> 02:36:12,960 >> I don't have those records in front of 3476 02:36:12,960 --> 02:36:14,319 me, but I can tell you it's very 3477 02:36:14,319 --> 02:36:15,760 minimal, if at all. 3478 02:36:15,760 --> 02:36:18,000 >> Our hotels are paid ahead of time, like 3479 02:36:18,000 --> 02:36:18,720 Mike P. 3480 02:36:18,720 --> 02:36:19,520 >> So, you have paid 3481 02:36:19,520 --> 02:36:22,160 >> I will state for for conferences. Uh 3482 02:36:22,160 --> 02:36:24,640 council typically uh I mean the the city 3483 02:36:24,640 --> 02:36:26,240 typically through the council's budget, 3484 02:36:26,240 --> 02:36:28,240 which is adopted in their budget. 3485 02:36:28,240 --> 02:36:30,880 >> So, there you go. You did claim you did 3486 02:36:30,880 --> 02:36:32,960 >> I did not I have never turned in a 3487 02:36:32,960 --> 02:36:34,240 single receipt, not for one. 3488 02:36:34,240 --> 02:36:35,600 >> I'm not saying that you turned a receipt 3489 02:36:35,600 --> 02:36:37,040 in. What I'm saying is 3490 02:36:37,040 --> 02:36:40,880 >> reimbured for conference council um is 3491 02:36:40,880 --> 02:36:43,520 we pay for their conferences 3492 02:36:43,520 --> 02:36:45,359 um as far as reimbursement for travel 3493 02:36:45,359 --> 02:36:49,600 which means hotel, airplanes or driving. 3494 02:36:49,600 --> 02:36:51,439 That is what the council typically 3495 02:36:51,439 --> 02:36:52,880 submits their receipts for. We have a 3496 02:36:52,880 --> 02:36:55,439 travel and advance policy. Um but to 3497 02:36:55,439 --> 02:36:57,760 address uh council member Lan's 3498 02:36:57,760 --> 02:37:00,319 question, he has not submitted any of 3499 02:37:00,319 --> 02:37:02,240 those for for tra 3500 02:37:02,240 --> 02:37:04,000 >> but he has stayed in hotels that were 3501 02:37:04,000 --> 02:37:05,120 paid for at 3502 02:37:05,120 --> 02:37:08,000 >> travel or hotels. 3503 02:37:08,000 --> 02:37:09,520 >> Not I'd have to look at the record. I 3504 02:37:09,520 --> 02:37:10,720 can't speak to it without looking but 3505 02:37:10,720 --> 02:37:11,359 nothing has been. 3506 02:37:11,359 --> 02:37:14,560 >> Okay. So I'm not just looking at you 3507 02:37:14,560 --> 02:37:17,040 have any of you guys in receipt credit 3508 02:37:17,040 --> 02:37:18,240 card. We didn't pay for our 3509 02:37:18,240 --> 02:37:19,200 >> anybody. 3510 02:37:19,200 --> 02:37:21,040 >> Correct. It depends on the 3511 02:37:21,040 --> 02:37:22,880 >> run your question by me again. area. 3512 02:37:22,880 --> 02:37:24,640 >> Have you ever turned a receipt for 3513 02:37:24,640 --> 02:37:24,960 reimbursement? 3514 02:37:24,960 --> 02:37:26,479 >> I've turned in one reimbursement 3515 02:37:26,479 --> 02:37:26,800 receipt. 3516 02:37:26,800 --> 02:37:28,880 >> Okay. So, you did even pay for you paid 3517 02:37:28,880 --> 02:37:29,600 for all. Can 3518 02:37:29,600 --> 02:37:32,240 >> we maybe have a question? Finish the 3519 02:37:32,240 --> 02:37:34,160 comment and then the council can answer 3520 02:37:34,160 --> 02:37:36,800 so it's not so much back and forth. 3521 02:37:36,800 --> 02:37:38,880 >> Well, what I feel like you're doing here 3522 02:37:38,880 --> 02:37:41,040 is and if you guys want to give like I 3523 02:37:41,040 --> 02:37:43,600 chose not to turn receipts in. That was 3524 02:37:43,600 --> 02:37:44,880 my choice. 3525 02:37:44,880 --> 02:37:46,720 >> I was running a business. I had, you 3526 02:37:46,720 --> 02:37:48,080 know, I was comfortable. I didn't feel 3527 02:37:48,080 --> 02:37:50,560 like I had to. But by doing this, you're 3528 02:37:50,560 --> 02:37:52,800 eliminating a whole class of people. And 3529 02:37:52,800 --> 02:37:55,280 that bothers me because there's a lot of 3530 02:37:55,280 --> 02:37:57,040 people in this town that I know that are 3531 02:37:57,040 --> 02:37:59,359 very bright, brighter than me, brighter 3532 02:37:59,359 --> 02:38:02,640 than all of you guys who would not run 3533 02:38:02,640 --> 02:38:04,399 just purely because they can't afford 3534 02:38:04,399 --> 02:38:09,600 to. So I I really it really makes me 3535 02:38:09,600 --> 02:38:11,600 think that you're trying to just be the 3536 02:38:11,600 --> 02:38:13,760 three or four white guys up there 3537 02:38:13,760 --> 02:38:16,399 running everything. And that really 3538 02:38:16,399 --> 02:38:19,200 bothers me that you won't give another 3539 02:38:19,200 --> 02:38:21,840 group a chance. If you guys want to just 3540 02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:24,319 say, "No, I'm not going to take it." 3541 02:38:24,319 --> 02:38:26,880 Great. But don't make other people go by 3542 02:38:26,880 --> 02:38:31,120 what you want cuz that's not fair. And I 3543 02:38:31,120 --> 02:38:33,280 just find it sort of disgusting the way 3544 02:38:33,280 --> 02:38:35,439 the game that you guys are playing. And 3545 02:38:35,439 --> 02:38:41,030 the public is really about had it. 3546 02:38:41,040 --> 02:38:43,600 » Any other public comment? [applause] 3547 02:38:43,600 --> 02:38:46,240 Council, 3548 02:38:46,240 --> 02:38:48,319 if I can for the record, just to clarify 3549 02:38:48,319 --> 02:38:50,720 my statement, there is um the 3550 02:38:50,720 --> 02:38:52,720 opportunity for the city will often pay 3551 02:38:52,720 --> 02:38:56,399 for conferences and hotels. Um but it is 3552 02:38:56,399 --> 02:38:57,840 up to the council members for mileage 3553 02:38:57,840 --> 02:38:59,600 reimbursement. There's an entire travel 3554 02:38:59,600 --> 02:39:01,680 and advance policy and I do suggest any 3555 02:39:01,680 --> 02:39:03,040 members of the public or council to 3556 02:39:03,040 --> 02:39:05,200 submit a public records request and we 3557 02:39:05,200 --> 02:39:06,160 can get those records. 3558 02:39:06,160 --> 02:39:07,760 >> When we went to Sacramento, you put 3559 02:39:07,760 --> 02:39:09,840 everything on a credit card, including 3560 02:39:09,840 --> 02:39:12,080 our hotel and the convention and all our 3561 02:39:12,080 --> 02:39:21,110 food. So there you have it. 3562 02:39:21,120 --> 02:39:23,280 » Go ahead, Jennifer. 3563 02:39:23,280 --> 02:39:24,960 >> So 3564 02:39:24,960 --> 02:39:27,200 what I remember from the last meeting 3565 02:39:27,200 --> 02:39:29,520 where this this conversation came up was 3566 02:39:29,520 --> 02:39:32,319 that it was that like Cloverdale had 3567 02:39:32,319 --> 02:39:35,520 designated it disability month or 3568 02:39:35,520 --> 02:39:36,560 something like that. I can't remember 3569 02:39:36,560 --> 02:39:40,800 the exact name. And Marjorie 3570 02:39:40,800 --> 02:39:43,600 had had said during this meeting like at 3571 02:39:43,600 --> 02:39:45,760 some point that this money makes a 3572 02:39:45,760 --> 02:39:48,000 difference for her. Like I mean she just 3573 02:39:48,000 --> 02:39:53,359 came out publicly and and said this. And 3574 02:39:53,359 --> 02:39:55,200 I don't understand. It's really hard for 3575 02:39:55,200 --> 02:39:59,760 me to like grasp why three members or 3576 02:39:59,760 --> 02:40:02,240 people would like just right in front of 3577 02:40:02,240 --> 02:40:04,000 her face [laughter] 3578 02:40:04,000 --> 02:40:06,399 take that away from her when there is a 3579 02:40:06,399 --> 02:40:10,479 viable option to just give your pay back 3580 02:40:10,479 --> 02:40:14,200 to the city. And I don't know if 3581 02:40:14,200 --> 02:40:14,855 [laughter] 3582 02:40:14,855 --> 02:40:15,680 [applause] 3583 02:40:15,680 --> 02:40:17,359 >> it doesn't make sense. 3584 02:40:17,359 --> 02:40:18,800 >> I don't I don't know. I mean, I feel 3585 02:40:18,800 --> 02:40:20,319 like it's it's it's a it's an easy 3586 02:40:20,319 --> 02:40:23,439 solution. Um, I don't know anybody who 3587 02:40:23,439 --> 02:40:25,359 can live off of $900 or who's going to 3588 02:40:25,359 --> 02:40:27,280 be like, you know, rolling through town 3589 02:40:27,280 --> 02:40:29,840 in like a Porsche or like a Land Rover 3590 02:40:29,840 --> 02:40:31,120 like, "Woohoo! Look at my council 3591 02:40:31,120 --> 02:40:33,920 money." Um, 3592 02:40:33,920 --> 02:40:36,080 I think it it's it's and then the other 3593 02:40:36,080 --> 02:40:39,040 part of it too is there is this this 3594 02:40:39,040 --> 02:40:42,160 impression that it's devaluing what you 3595 02:40:42,160 --> 02:40:44,000 guys do. 3596 02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:46,640 It's devaluing 3597 02:40:46,640 --> 02:40:49,680 how important the work is that you do. 3598 02:40:49,680 --> 02:40:52,880 and you are very fortunate that and it 3599 02:40:52,880 --> 02:40:54,720 is this isn't to say that like that that 3600 02:40:54,720 --> 02:40:56,960 you haven't worked hard but I mean my 3601 02:40:56,960 --> 02:41:03,200 goodness would I love a pension um like to be in that position is a a 3602 02:41:03,200 --> 02:41:05,359 blessed one and it's it has nothing to 3603 02:41:05,359 --> 02:41:07,359 do with like you know you not working 3604 02:41:07,359 --> 02:41:10,000 hard and and all that like it's not 3605 02:41:10,000 --> 02:41:11,840 everybody's in that position for a 3606 02:41:11,840 --> 02:41:21,840 variety of different reasons and like if a single mom wanted to run um yeah I think it devalues what you guys do. 3607 02:41:21,840 --> 02:41:23,920 And I think that the solution to just 3608 02:41:23,920 --> 02:41:26,160 give back your your salary, it's it's 3609 02:41:26,160 --> 02:41:28,640 easy and we wouldn't be all here 3610 02:41:28,640 --> 02:41:30,479 fighting. And I just I don't know what 3611 02:41:30,479 --> 02:41:32,240 else to say, but it it really broke my 3612 02:41:32,240 --> 02:41:34,960 heart because 3613 02:41:34,960 --> 02:41:36,479 yeah, I mean, this is a fellow council 3614 02:41:36,479 --> 02:41:38,319 member and I feel like you guys all 3615 02:41:38,319 --> 02:41:40,000 should be taking care of each other. And 3616 02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:41,680 by doing that, you're looking out for 3617 02:41:41,680 --> 02:41:43,937 Cloverdale. 3618 02:41:43,937 --> 02:41:53,990 [applause] 3619 02:41:54,000 --> 02:41:56,560 I wasn't here to witness what happened, 3620 02:41:56,560 --> 02:42:01,120 but when I consider what other positions 3621 02:42:01,120 --> 02:42:04,960 of this city are making, why isn't why 3622 02:42:04,960 --> 02:42:06,720 aren't other people skimming off the top 3623 02:42:06,720 --> 02:42:15,590 of their salaries? 3624 02:42:15,600 --> 02:42:19,200 Do we have any other public comment? 3625 02:42:19,200 --> 02:42:22,582 Okay, I'm seeing none. 3626 02:42:22,582 --> 02:42:23,200 [snorts] 3627 02:42:23,200 --> 02:42:24,720 Any comments from the council? 3628 02:42:24,720 --> 02:42:29,120 >> Yes, thank you, mayor. Um, just want to 3629 02:42:29,120 --> 02:42:30,880 ask my fellow council members to 3630 02:42:30,880 --> 02:42:34,000 reconsider their vote. Um, I think this 3631 02:42:34,000 --> 02:42:36,880 amount of pay doesn't make us a better 3632 02:42:36,880 --> 02:42:40,720 council members. Um, I think this 3633 02:42:40,720 --> 02:42:42,960 decision doesn't make us a better 3634 02:42:42,960 --> 02:42:46,080 council. Um, 3635 02:42:46,080 --> 02:42:48,640 you know, personally, I did bring this 3636 02:42:48,640 --> 02:42:51,280 issue up to reduce the pay. Uh, when I 3637 02:42:51,280 --> 02:42:53,040 was first on council, I thought that, 3638 02:42:53,040 --> 02:42:55,439 uh, you know, like maybe some council 3639 02:42:55,439 --> 02:42:58,399 members are in this for the money. Um, 3640 02:42:58,399 --> 02:43:00,560 I've come to change my opinion on that. 3641 02:43:00,560 --> 02:43:02,800 It's not because I need the money. Uh, 3642 02:43:02,800 --> 02:43:04,240 but I don't want to limit somebody else 3643 02:43:04,240 --> 02:43:07,760 who does. Uh, I think it's the option to 3644 02:43:07,760 --> 02:43:11,920 opt out is great. If there's um four of 3645 02:43:11,920 --> 02:43:13,840 us that are opting out or give give that 3646 02:43:13,840 --> 02:43:15,760 money back and and and one person needs 3647 02:43:15,760 --> 02:43:17,359 it, it's not going to affect the budget 3648 02:43:17,359 --> 02:43:21,280 that much. Um, I I I could tell you even 3649 02:43:21,280 --> 02:43:23,760 that extra money allows me to do so much 3650 02:43:23,760 --> 02:43:26,720 more work in a month. um you know, 3651 02:43:26,720 --> 02:43:30,399 taking two weeks off to paint a mural at 3652 02:43:30,399 --> 02:43:33,280 Washington Gym, you know, taking two 3653 02:43:33,280 --> 02:43:34,800 weeks off to paint the interior of the 3654 02:43:34,800 --> 02:43:36,560 Graange, 3655 02:43:36,560 --> 02:43:38,640 you know, um I wouldn't be able to do 3656 02:43:38,640 --> 02:43:40,720 that without just that was enough money 3657 02:43:40,720 --> 02:43:42,319 I can go get a sandwich down at Eagle's 3658 02:43:42,319 --> 02:43:45,200 Nest and that's it. And I would work my 3659 02:43:45,200 --> 02:43:47,359 butt off for the next two weeks that 3660 02:43:47,359 --> 02:43:51,008 month to to cover my bills. So, 3661 02:43:51,008 --> 02:43:51,040 >> [clears throat] 3662 02:43:51,040 --> 02:43:54,319 >> um I I 3663 02:43:54,319 --> 02:43:58,720 would just ask my fellow council to 3664 02:43:58,720 --> 02:44:01,359 reconsider their decision. 3665 02:44:01,359 --> 02:44:05,680 Let's amend this to give us the option 3666 02:44:05,680 --> 02:44:08,160 to opt out and give the ability to 3667 02:44:08,160 --> 02:44:09,920 others 3668 02:44:09,920 --> 02:44:12,160 that might need this money to to do this 3669 02:44:12,160 --> 02:44:15,429 role. 3670 02:44:15,439 --> 02:44:17,863 And and that's my ask. 3671 02:44:17,863 --> 02:44:23,990 [applause] 3672 02:44:24,000 --> 02:44:26,640 Um, I do have another comment to make. 3673 02:44:26,640 --> 02:44:29,920 Um, the single raise for one staff 3674 02:44:29,920 --> 02:44:32,319 member completely eclipses the small 3675 02:44:32,319 --> 02:44:34,160 amount saved by cutting the stipens of 3676 02:44:34,160 --> 02:44:37,840 the entire elected council. Performative 3677 02:44:37,840 --> 02:44:40,800 versus impactful savings. Um, I just 3678 02:44:40,800 --> 02:44:43,279 feel like this whole thing's a big drama 3679 02:44:43,279 --> 02:44:46,000 created by the vice mayor and he was 3680 02:44:46,000 --> 02:44:48,160 that far away from my face. When he said 3681 02:44:48,160 --> 02:44:51,520 it, it was meant to hurt. And um I just 3682 02:44:51,520 --> 02:44:54,319 think it it's a huge drama and the 3683 02:44:54,319 --> 02:44:56,080 council needs to come together rather 3684 02:44:56,080 --> 02:44:58,479 than three people constantly deciding 3685 02:44:58,479 --> 02:45:00,800 what the hell's going to happen on every 3686 02:45:00,800 --> 02:45:03,600 issue. It's not right. and it's like 3687 02:45:03,600 --> 02:45:05,840 turned into a dictatorship and then they 3688 02:45:05,840 --> 02:45:07,520 sit there and moralize about it and say, 3689 02:45:07,520 --> 02:45:10,080 "Oh, I worked hard my whole life." Well, 3690 02:45:10,080 --> 02:45:11,439 other people have worked hard their 3691 02:45:11,439 --> 02:45:13,680 whole lives as well. 3692 02:45:13,680 --> 02:45:23,910 >> Yeah. 3693 02:45:23,920 --> 02:45:26,319 » I will gladly make a motion to wave the 3694 02:45:26,319 --> 02:45:27,760 second reading and adopt an ordinance 3695 02:45:27,760 --> 02:45:30,800 amending Cloverly Municipal Code section 3696 02:45:30,800 --> 02:45:33,680 2.04.0. 010. 3697 02:45:33,680 --> 02:45:34,960 >> Do I need to read the whole thing? Keep 3698 02:45:34,960 --> 02:45:35,520 going. 3699 02:45:35,520 --> 02:45:36,479 >> Just Yeah, just 3700 02:45:36,479 --> 02:45:38,000 >> compensation for council members to 3701 02:45:38,000 --> 02:45:39,840 decrease council member compensation to 3702 02:45:39,840 --> 02:45:47,030 the specified amount per month of $300. 3703 02:45:47,040 --> 02:45:49,520 » Second. 3704 02:45:49,520 --> 02:45:51,680 >> All in favor say I. 3705 02:45:51,680 --> 02:45:52,960 >> No. 3706 02:45:52,960 --> 02:45:54,960 >> I. In favor say I. 3707 02:45:54,960 --> 02:45:55,840 >> I. 3708 02:45:55,840 --> 02:45:56,800 >> No. 3709 02:45:56,800 --> 02:45:58,800 >> All oppose say nay. 3710 02:45:58,800 --> 02:45:59,200 >> No. 3711 02:45:59,200 --> 02:46:04,630 Motion fails. Three to two. 3712 02:46:04,630 --> 02:46:15,750 [applause] 3713 02:46:15,760 --> 02:46:17,680 » Thank you, mayor. 3714 02:46:17,680 --> 02:46:19,439 Um, there was an item that we didn't 3715 02:46:19,439 --> 02:46:21,920 list on tonight's agenda, introducing 3716 02:46:21,920 --> 02:46:24,800 our new assistant city manager, Eric 3717 02:46:24,800 --> 02:46:25,920 Sanders. 3718 02:46:25,920 --> 02:46:28,160 >> We still have other action items on my 3719 02:46:28,160 --> 02:46:33,910 agenda. Yeah, we're 3720 02:46:33,920 --> 02:46:34,800 » the 3721 02:46:34,800 --> 02:46:37,200 >> All right, let's get into next item is 3722 02:46:37,200 --> 02:46:39,680 uh H1 3723 02:46:39,680 --> 02:46:43,279 consider the prior say prior consider 3724 02:46:43,279 --> 02:46:45,040 the prioritized water resiliency 3725 02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:46,880 projects list and its relationship to 3726 02:46:46,880 --> 02:46:49,600 the FY 26 through31 capital improvement 3727 02:46:49,600 --> 02:46:51,359 program for proposed water [snorts] 3728 02:46:51,359 --> 02:46:55,760 rates. Again, ER uh Derek is out ill, so 3729 02:46:55,760 --> 02:46:58,479 Eric has volunteered to um to go over 3730 02:46:58,479 --> 02:46:59,840 this one. This was a request of the 3731 02:46:59,840 --> 02:47:02,160 council, I think a couple maybe last 3732 02:47:02,160 --> 02:47:04,479 meeting or the meeting before to review 3733 02:47:04,479 --> 02:47:06,319 what we've put together as a uh 3734 02:47:06,319 --> 02:47:10,080 potential water uh resiliency list. And 3735 02:47:10,080 --> 02:47:13,120 uh the list some of the projects are in 3736 02:47:13,120 --> 02:47:14,880 this year. I I'll let you talk about it, 3737 02:47:14,880 --> 02:47:18,399 Eric, but um it's it's really a list 3738 02:47:18,399 --> 02:47:20,880 that we want to have at the ready in 3739 02:47:20,880 --> 02:47:24,640 case PG& money comes along as the part 3740 02:47:24,640 --> 02:47:26,479 of the dam removal or other grants. We 3741 02:47:26,479 --> 02:47:29,120 want to just identify these projects. 3742 02:47:29,120 --> 02:47:30,560 And uh I'll just leave it there, Eric, 3743 02:47:30,560 --> 02:47:32,560 if you want to talk about them or 3744 02:47:32,560 --> 02:47:35,600 >> Sure. Thank you. Um first of all, I 3745 02:47:35,600 --> 02:47:38,240 wanted to introduce myself. I'm Eric 3746 02:47:38,240 --> 02:47:40,880 Sanders. I'm the assistant city manager 3747 02:47:40,880 --> 02:47:45,120 here. Thank you. Um, mayor and council. 3748 02:47:45,120 --> 02:47:48,800 Um, Mike, if you could put the 3749 02:47:48,800 --> 02:47:50,160 slide up on there. 3750 02:47:50,160 --> 02:47:52,880 >> Is there a presentation on this item? 3751 02:47:52,880 --> 02:47:54,720 >> It's the one that looks like this 3752 02:47:54,720 --> 02:47:56,160 spreadsheet. 3753 02:47:56,160 --> 02:47:58,720 >> One sec. 3754 02:47:58,720 --> 02:47:59,920 So anyway, while he's getting that 3755 02:47:59,920 --> 02:48:03,279 outenda, I wanted to uh just reiterate 3756 02:48:03,279 --> 02:48:06,399 that this item presents the updated and 3757 02:48:06,399 --> 02:48:08,720 prioritized water resiliency projects 3758 02:48:08,720 --> 02:48:11,840 list that was originally developed by 3759 02:48:11,840 --> 02:48:14,720 West Yos back in 2025 to identify 3760 02:48:14,720 --> 02:48:16,560 projects that would improve the 3761 02:48:16,560 --> 02:48:18,960 reliability and resiliency of our water 3762 02:48:18,960 --> 02:48:21,680 system, particularly given the 3763 02:48:21,680 --> 02:48:23,279 uncertainty surrounding the Potter 3764 02:48:23,279 --> 02:48:26,399 Valley project. And the intent was to 3765 02:48:26,399 --> 02:48:29,680 identify projects that may or may not be 3766 02:48:29,680 --> 02:48:32,399 on the capital improvement plan, but 3767 02:48:32,399 --> 02:48:35,439 projects in general that in the event 3768 02:48:35,439 --> 02:48:38,319 some sort of funding would become 3769 02:48:38,319 --> 02:48:40,640 available that we could just turn to the 3770 02:48:40,640 --> 02:48:43,040 list and say, "Okay, what's number one? 3771 02:48:43,040 --> 02:48:44,399 What's number two? What what are the 3772 02:48:44,399 --> 02:48:46,399 things that we want to do in order to 3773 02:48:46,399 --> 02:48:49,279 bolster our our um our our water 3774 02:48:49,279 --> 02:48:53,040 resiliency?" So, at the council's 3775 02:48:53,040 --> 02:48:55,279 direction, staff prioritize those 3776 02:48:55,279 --> 02:48:58,800 projects based primarily on the timing 3777 02:48:58,800 --> 02:49:03,120 in the fiscal year category in the CIP, 3778 02:49:03,120 --> 02:49:04,640 although I understand some of them 3779 02:49:04,640 --> 02:49:08,319 aren't CIP projects like I said before, 3780 02:49:08,319 --> 02:49:11,120 but they are prioritized by the timeline 3781 02:49:11,120 --> 02:49:14,479 there. You can see in that column 26 to 3782 02:49:14,479 --> 02:49:17,439 28, you know, and so on and so forth. 3783 02:49:17,439 --> 02:49:21,279 And uh that was sort of was our 3784 02:49:21,279 --> 02:49:23,760 the way that we prioritized these for 3785 02:49:23,760 --> 02:49:26,319 the council to say, okay, if and when 3786 02:49:26,319 --> 02:49:29,120 this funding does become available, 3787 02:49:29,120 --> 02:49:31,840 here's where we start. And if you look 3788 02:49:31,840 --> 02:49:34,640 at the list here, the ones at the top 3789 02:49:34,640 --> 02:49:38,640 are primarily CIP projects. 3790 02:49:38,640 --> 02:49:41,040 Um, and as you go work your way down the 3791 02:49:41,040 --> 02:49:44,640 list, uh, you'll see that the next group 3792 02:49:44,640 --> 02:49:48,880 is for projects that are fully budgeted 3793 02:49:48,880 --> 02:49:51,520 in the previous year and then finished 3794 02:49:51,520 --> 02:49:54,240 projects that have been completed and 3795 02:49:54,240 --> 02:49:58,000 then at the bottom are projects that are 3796 02:49:58,000 --> 02:50:01,279 on the list as uh, priorities. However, 3797 02:50:01,279 --> 02:50:05,439 they have not been budgeted in the CIP. 3798 02:50:05,439 --> 02:50:08,399 So, um, I guess what we're asking 3799 02:50:08,399 --> 02:50:10,880 tonight is for council to receive the 3800 02:50:10,880 --> 02:50:12,800 updated list, review the priorities and 3801 02:50:12,800 --> 02:50:14,880 funding categories, and provide 3802 02:50:14,880 --> 02:50:16,800 direction to staff on whether the 3803 02:50:16,800 --> 02:50:19,120 council agrees with the proposed 3804 02:50:19,120 --> 02:50:21,520 prioritization. 3805 02:50:21,520 --> 02:50:24,000 >> And I think we want to keep working on 3806 02:50:24,000 --> 02:50:26,640 this list. This is kind of a first go at 3807 02:50:26,640 --> 02:50:32,000 it. And um so again, I think really 3808 02:50:32,000 --> 02:50:34,000 as Eric said, not to repeat what you 3809 02:50:34,000 --> 02:50:36,319 said, but you know, as as funding comes 3810 02:50:36,319 --> 02:50:37,760 down, we want to we want to be ready for 3811 02:50:37,760 --> 02:50:39,359 that as best we can, but I think our 3812 02:50:39,359 --> 02:50:41,760 goal really is to have you review it, 3813 02:50:41,760 --> 02:50:43,760 start amending it, maybe we forgot 3814 02:50:43,760 --> 02:50:45,200 something, maybe something should come 3815 02:50:45,200 --> 02:50:47,439 off, but maybe this is like an ongoing 3816 02:50:47,439 --> 02:50:49,520 thing, kind of like the streets. 3817 02:50:49,520 --> 02:50:54,399 >> Um can I add a comment, mayor? 3818 02:50:54,399 --> 02:50:57,680 Thank you. Um, just want to thank you, 3819 02:50:57,680 --> 02:50:59,760 uh, Eric Sanders, assistant city 3820 02:50:59,760 --> 02:51:01,920 manager, uh, for getting this out so 3821 02:51:01,920 --> 02:51:03,359 quick. I mean, this was at our last 3822 02:51:03,359 --> 02:51:05,359 meeting. It was just very recent. So, I 3823 02:51:05,359 --> 02:51:08,880 appreciate the work. Um, and, uh, the 3824 02:51:08,880 --> 02:51:10,800 idea about this list, I think it's going 3825 02:51:10,800 --> 02:51:13,600 to be an evolving list. Um, my thoughts 3826 02:51:13,600 --> 02:51:15,200 behind it, it's an important tool to 3827 02:51:15,200 --> 02:51:18,000 obtain funding and clarify goals to take 3828 02:51:18,000 --> 02:51:20,080 full advantage of funding opportunity 3829 02:51:20,080 --> 02:51:24,560 windows as they can arise. Um 3830 02:51:24,560 --> 02:51:27,200 my my thoughts about the list also is to 3831 02:51:27,200 --> 02:51:30,160 uh reach out to prospective funders or 3832 02:51:30,160 --> 02:51:31,760 uh partners to see how we can improve 3833 02:51:31,760 --> 02:51:33,600 the list because I think that's uh we 3834 02:51:33,600 --> 02:51:34,800 need to make the list that's going to 3835 02:51:34,800 --> 02:51:36,240 work for people that would potentially 3836 02:51:36,240 --> 02:51:38,800 fund or help us find funding. Um that 3837 02:51:38,800 --> 02:51:40,880 would include uh North Coast Regional 3838 02:51:40,880 --> 02:51:44,399 Partnership, you know, potentially PG&E. 3839 02:51:44,399 --> 02:51:46,640 Um you know, even there's environmental 3840 02:51:46,640 --> 02:51:49,600 groups that want to see us 3841 02:51:49,600 --> 02:51:55,600 uh have some water resiliency. um within our our city. So um the thoughts 3842 02:51:55,600 --> 02:51:57,600 about the list that I have um you know 3843 02:51:57,600 --> 02:51:59,840 these are really pertaining to our 3844 02:51:59,840 --> 02:52:03,840 municipality. Um I think you know in the 3845 02:52:03,840 --> 02:52:07,680 future expanding this to um 3846 02:52:07,680 --> 02:52:12,960 uh include uh potential studies of 3847 02:52:12,960 --> 02:52:16,800 groundwater recharge and possibly that 3848 02:52:16,800 --> 02:52:20,399 might be um you know getting a little 3849 02:52:20,399 --> 02:52:21,680 far ahead but I think it's something 3850 02:52:21,680 --> 02:52:23,359 that we need to start working on is like 3851 02:52:23,359 --> 02:52:25,439 you know regional solutions uh with with 3852 02:52:25,439 --> 02:52:28,000 groundwater recharge since we share our 3853 02:52:28,000 --> 02:52:31,279 subbasins with other um jurisic ictions 3854 02:52:31,279 --> 02:52:33,200 and some of them are defined, some not. 3855 02:52:33,200 --> 02:52:36,160 Um I think that you know recharging 3856 02:52:36,160 --> 02:52:37,680 those subbasins would probably be a 3857 02:52:37,680 --> 02:52:41,279 regional effort potentially as well. So 3858 02:52:41,279 --> 02:52:43,120 um I appreciate your work on this. 3859 02:52:43,120 --> 02:52:46,479 >> Thank you. Thank you. 3860 02:52:46,479 --> 02:52:48,000 >> I just want to say that I'm really 3861 02:52:48,000 --> 02:52:50,080 excited about this list. Um I know 3862 02:52:50,080 --> 02:52:52,000 there's more work to be done besides 3863 02:52:52,000 --> 02:52:54,080 this list, but at least it's a move in 3864 02:52:54,080 --> 02:52:58,630 the right direction. 3865 02:52:58,640 --> 02:53:00,240 » Eric, welcome aboard. Thanks for the 3866 02:53:00,240 --> 02:53:03,680 presentation. I appreciate the the work 3867 02:53:03,680 --> 02:53:05,120 hitting the ground running. That's 3868 02:53:05,120 --> 02:53:08,160 awesome. Uh maybe we can look at to 3869 02:53:08,160 --> 02:53:10,479 council member Marquez's uh statement 3870 02:53:10,479 --> 02:53:13,600 there as we go into DD funding. We can 3871 02:53:13,600 --> 02:53:16,640 try to get some bioailes uh for 3872 02:53:16,640 --> 02:53:20,800 groundwater recharge as as an overall uh 3873 02:53:20,800 --> 02:53:23,920 plan for you know our our water 3874 02:53:23,920 --> 02:53:26,319 resiliency. But uh great first steps. 3875 02:53:26,319 --> 02:53:28,880 Thank you. 3876 02:53:28,880 --> 02:53:31,520 We could definitely add that to the list 3877 02:53:31,520 --> 02:53:34,240 and or at least look into uh what it 3878 02:53:34,240 --> 02:53:36,880 would take to get those types of studies 3879 02:53:36,880 --> 02:53:40,230 started. 3880 02:53:40,240 --> 02:53:41,840 » Yeah, welcome aboard, Eric. I'm hoping 3881 02:53:41,840 --> 02:53:45,279 we do a whole uh kumbaya session at our 3882 02:53:45,279 --> 02:53:47,279 next meeting for you. Take some pictures 3883 02:53:47,279 --> 02:53:50,560 for the paper. U however, this list was 3884 02:53:50,560 --> 02:53:52,160 a little history lesson. list was 3885 02:53:52,160 --> 02:53:55,120 created uh when I was working with a 3886 02:53:55,120 --> 02:53:58,720 group to get a department of uh what is 3887 02:53:58,720 --> 02:54:01,279 it fish and what was it fish and 3888 02:54:01,279 --> 02:54:01,760 wildlife 3889 02:54:01,760 --> 02:54:03,120 >> fish and wildlife department of fish and 3890 02:54:03,120 --> 02:54:04,800 wildlife Chuck Bonham was the head of 3891 02:54:04,800 --> 02:54:07,200 the state appointed by Governor Nuomo 3892 02:54:07,200 --> 02:54:09,760 and he was coming here and uh working 3893 02:54:09,760 --> 02:54:11,439 with us and debating with us regarding 3894 02:54:11,439 --> 02:54:14,319 the Potter Valley project uh when he saw 3895 02:54:14,319 --> 02:54:15,760 the predicament that we would be in 3896 02:54:15,760 --> 02:54:18,160 after listening to us he asked for a 3897 02:54:18,160 --> 02:54:19,600 list and that's what this list started 3898 02:54:19,600 --> 02:54:23,359 from they were in no particular order and we did that on 3899 02:54:23,359 --> 02:54:25,120 purpose because of cost and we didn't 3900 02:54:25,120 --> 02:54:27,040 know what each thing would cost or how 3901 02:54:27,040 --> 02:54:29,760 much money he would be willing to uh 3902 02:54:29,760 --> 02:54:32,160 give us in certain ways for grants. Uh 3903 02:54:32,160 --> 02:54:34,560 there was a lot of grant funding with 3904 02:54:34,560 --> 02:54:37,200 reservoir bonds that the state had that 3905 02:54:37,200 --> 02:54:39,279 he gave us zero dollars and nobody was 3906 02:54:39,279 --> 02:54:41,920 getting any bonds or bond money for 3907 02:54:41,920 --> 02:54:43,760 reservoirs. It was all going towards 3908 02:54:43,760 --> 02:54:46,800 rehabilitation of creeks. So what we did 3909 02:54:46,800 --> 02:54:48,960 is we created this list and worked with 3910 02:54:48,960 --> 02:54:52,080 the the state to uh pick out some 3911 02:54:52,080 --> 02:54:54,240 projects. Uh two of the projects that 3912 02:54:54,240 --> 02:54:56,399 we've been funded through him and 3913 02:54:56,399 --> 02:54:59,920 through us at the that committee uh was 3914 02:54:59,920 --> 02:55:02,080 uh purchasing water out of Lake Mescino 3915 02:55:02,080 --> 02:55:04,080 to help supplement us when we are having 3916 02:55:04,080 --> 02:55:06,319 our drought or curtailments or even just 3917 02:55:06,319 --> 02:55:08,479 low on water at the end of the summer. 3918 02:55:08,479 --> 02:55:10,560 And the second one is for aquafer 3919 02:55:10,560 --> 02:55:12,800 recharge and deeper wells and finding 3920 02:55:12,800 --> 02:55:14,240 the geological areas that we can 3921 02:55:14,240 --> 02:55:16,560 actually have those. Uh so those two 3922 02:55:16,560 --> 02:55:18,160 things are not on this list, but that is 3923 02:55:18,160 --> 02:55:20,160 what that was created for. There's some 3924 02:55:20,160 --> 02:55:22,560 good stuff that we can add to this, but 3925 02:55:22,560 --> 02:55:24,800 I really don't want us to be like 1 3926 02:55:24,800 --> 02:55:26,319 through 10 is all we're going to do 3927 02:55:26,319 --> 02:55:27,920 because we need this needs to be a fluid 3928 02:55:27,920 --> 02:55:29,520 document. We need to know if we have 3929 02:55:29,520 --> 02:55:31,680 $150,000 to spend, we can go to number 3930 02:55:31,680 --> 02:55:32,560 eight 3931 02:55:32,560 --> 02:55:33,920 >> and not say we're going to stick that in 3932 02:55:33,920 --> 02:55:35,840 the bank until we can do number one. 3933 02:55:35,840 --> 02:55:37,600 >> So thank you for your hard work on this. 3934 02:55:37,600 --> 02:55:40,319 I appreciate uh making a a solid list of 3935 02:55:40,319 --> 02:55:42,399 what we've already accomplished uh what 3936 02:55:42,399 --> 02:55:43,920 we look forward to doing, but there's a 3937 02:55:43,920 --> 02:55:45,040 couple things that we should add is 3938 02:55:45,040 --> 02:55:47,279 making sure that we are uh completing 3939 02:55:47,279 --> 02:55:49,040 the studies for the water purchase and 3940 02:55:49,040 --> 02:55:51,520 completing the studies for the geologic 3941 02:55:51,520 --> 02:55:54,800 conditions for the aquifer recharge. 3942 02:55:54,800 --> 02:55:56,880 >> Thank you, Vice Mayor. I also wanted to 3943 02:55:56,880 --> 02:55:59,520 point out there is a column on here that 3944 02:55:59,520 --> 02:56:02,640 is titled estimated cost. And even 3945 02:56:02,640 --> 02:56:05,279 though this list isn't necessarily 3946 02:56:05,279 --> 02:56:08,399 prioritized by cost, 3947 02:56:08,399 --> 02:56:10,720 it does have se several categories here. 3948 02:56:10,720 --> 02:56:13,279 Low, medium, and high. And I know that 3949 02:56:13,279 --> 02:56:15,279 the folks over at West Yos put this 3950 02:56:15,279 --> 02:56:19,600 together. I believe the low category of 3951 02:56:19,600 --> 02:56:23,040 cost are projects that cost less than 3952 02:56:23,040 --> 02:56:26,479 100,000. Medium would be 100,000 to 1 3953 02:56:26,479 --> 02:56:28,160 million. And then the high category 3954 02:56:28,160 --> 02:56:32,080 would be any project over 1 million. So, 3955 02:56:32,080 --> 02:56:34,479 it'd be relatively easy for the council 3956 02:56:34,479 --> 02:56:36,080 to take a look at these and say, "Okay, 3957 02:56:36,080 --> 02:56:39,600 well, you know, we just got a grant for 3958 02:56:39,600 --> 02:56:41,680 250,000. 3959 02:56:41,680 --> 02:56:44,960 One on here is in that price range. Oh, 3960 02:56:44,960 --> 02:56:47,120 this is medium. Okay, here they are." 3961 02:56:47,120 --> 02:56:48,960 So, 3962 02:56:48,960 --> 02:56:50,240 >> thank you, 3963 02:56:50,240 --> 02:56:52,640 >> Eric. Thanks for uh coming on board. 3964 02:56:52,640 --> 02:56:58,080 Awesome presentation. Uh yeah, we've this list is 3965 02:56:58,080 --> 02:57:00,560 uh an ever ever evolving animal here. 3966 02:57:00,560 --> 02:57:02,560 It's going to be continually updated. 3967 02:57:02,560 --> 02:57:08,000 But the frustration I have with this is when I look at number one on CIP's 3968 02:57:08,000 --> 02:57:11,439 Cherry Creek South Crest Reservoir as in 3969 02:57:11,439 --> 02:57:14,720 design and seems like I've been hearing 3970 02:57:14,720 --> 02:57:18,240 in design for about two years now. 3971 02:57:18,240 --> 02:57:21,120 So, um I know after talking to a lot of 3972 02:57:21,120 --> 02:57:23,439 the folks at the water plant and I know 3973 02:57:23,439 --> 02:57:26,560 they're they're scrambling. They're patchworking things together. 3974 02:57:26,560 --> 02:57:28,560 They need they need some stuff done. We 3975 02:57:28,560 --> 02:57:30,880 need co uh tanks coated. We need contact 3976 02:57:30,880 --> 02:57:33,520 tanks. We need everything to keep it 3977 02:57:33,520 --> 02:57:34,800 running in order. And that's my 3978 02:57:34,800 --> 02:57:36,479 frustration with this. I understand it's 3979 02:57:36,479 --> 02:57:38,080 a funding thing, 3980 02:57:38,080 --> 02:57:40,880 >> but I think priority-wise and and I see 3981 02:57:40,880 --> 02:57:42,240 some of them are high and that's 3982 02:57:42,240 --> 02:57:43,520 probably why they're in design. There's 3983 02:57:43,520 --> 02:57:46,160 a lot of money here. Um this is but like 3984 02:57:46,160 --> 02:57:48,800 I said this has been kicked around since 3985 02:57:48,800 --> 02:57:51,920 the previous uh city manager and it 3986 02:57:51,920 --> 02:57:55,439 seemed like we did study after study and by the time we got to 3987 02:57:55,439 --> 02:57:57,359 the fourth study it was just the same 3988 02:57:57,359 --> 02:57:58,720 one as the first study and it was kind 3989 02:57:58,720 --> 02:58:00,479 of kicked down the road. I don't want to 3990 02:58:00,479 --> 02:58:02,640 see that happen. I want to see actually 3991 02:58:02,640 --> 02:58:05,359 pick some of these off um and actually 3992 02:58:05,359 --> 02:58:08,160 get them completed and put a little more 3993 02:58:08,160 --> 02:58:10,960 oomph into uh West Yoast if we need to 3994 02:58:10,960 --> 02:58:12,399 and say, "Hey, what's going on? Let's 3995 02:58:12,399 --> 02:58:14,319 kick this let's keep this going. Let's 3996 02:58:14,319 --> 02:58:17,359 get it going faster. What how can we put 3997 02:58:17,359 --> 02:58:19,359 pressure on people? How can the design 3998 02:58:19,359 --> 02:58:20,960 go quicker? How can we get this to 3999 02:58:20,960 --> 02:58:23,120 approval and get it going? And that's 4000 02:58:23,120 --> 02:58:25,040 just uh good for Cloverdale across the 4001 02:58:25,040 --> 02:58:26,960 board. Whether it's pressure in zone 4002 02:58:26,960 --> 02:58:29,840 one, Cherry Creek, it's I mean there's, 4003 02:58:29,840 --> 02:58:31,200 you know, the water plan as good as 4004 02:58:31,200 --> 02:58:33,040 anybody, but you know what needs to be 4005 02:58:33,040 --> 02:58:35,439 done. So anyway, thanks for the list, 4006 02:58:35,439 --> 02:58:36,960 but we really need to kick some of these 4007 02:58:36,960 --> 02:58:38,640 down and kind of uh veer away from 4008 02:58:38,640 --> 02:58:40,160 studies if we don't need them, if 4009 02:58:40,160 --> 02:58:42,479 they're being repeated and concentrate 4010 02:58:42,479 --> 02:58:43,840 on the studies we need that are going to 4011 02:58:43,840 --> 02:58:45,920 fix Cloverdale, Menescino water 4012 02:58:45,920 --> 02:58:47,760 purchase. Those are the studies that are 4013 02:58:47,760 --> 02:58:49,359 needed. But it's more studies on these 4014 02:58:49,359 --> 02:58:51,920 continuing projects is just frivolous. I 4015 02:58:51,920 --> 02:58:54,560 mean, just wasting our time. 4016 02:58:54,560 --> 02:58:55,439 >> Understood. Thank you. 4017 02:58:55,439 --> 02:58:59,670 >> Yep. 4018 02:58:59,680 --> 02:59:02,560 Great work. I mean, 4019 02:59:02,560 --> 02:59:04,080 we're we're going to introduce our 4020 02:59:04,080 --> 02:59:05,359 assistant manager at maybe the next 4021 02:59:05,359 --> 02:59:06,960 meeting, but you know, the last three 4022 02:59:06,960 --> 02:59:09,200 weeks, uh, jumping into this and our 4023 02:59:09,200 --> 02:59:11,279 conversations around our water 4024 02:59:11,279 --> 02:59:13,439 resiliency, you know, we had a fire 4025 02:59:13,439 --> 02:59:15,920 potential fire risk a couple weeks ago 4026 02:59:15,920 --> 02:59:17,680 and, you know, jumping on that in the 4027 02:59:17,680 --> 02:59:20,640 middle of the night. Um, just excited to 4028 02:59:20,640 --> 02:59:23,359 seeing this and just, you 4029 02:59:23,359 --> 02:59:24,560 really appreciate it. 4030 02:59:24,560 --> 02:59:26,080 >> You're very welcome. This is my town 4031 02:59:26,080 --> 02:59:29,200 after I grew up here. And uh, you know, 4032 02:59:29,200 --> 02:59:32,720 I care very deeply about everybody that 4033 02:59:32,720 --> 02:59:34,880 lives here in town, all the people also 4034 02:59:34,880 --> 02:59:37,439 that live on the outskirts of town and 4035 02:59:37,439 --> 02:59:40,160 all the infrastructure here. Um, you 4036 02:59:40,160 --> 02:59:42,479 know, I I I'm a product of this town, 4037 02:59:42,479 --> 02:59:44,880 too. So, thank you for that. 4038 02:59:44,880 --> 02:59:49,030 >> Thanks, sir. LFG. 4039 02:59:49,040 --> 02:59:52,080 » You have a comment? So, we'll um 4040 02:59:52,080 --> 02:59:54,240 continue to look for projects, add them, 4041 02:59:54,240 --> 02:59:56,319 and and maybe have this as a periodic 4042 02:59:56,319 --> 02:59:59,439 item on the council um as we amend the 4043 02:59:59,439 --> 03:00:02,880 list and get better numbers and 4044 03:00:02,880 --> 03:00:04,880 um just keep it keep it alive and keep 4045 03:00:04,880 --> 03:00:06,000 it current. 4046 03:00:06,000 --> 03:00:08,560 >> There you go. Who have any uh comments 4047 03:00:08,560 --> 03:00:14,164 on from the public on this? 4048 03:00:14,174 --> 03:00:14,800 [clears throat] 4049 03:00:14,800 --> 03:00:17,520 >> I don't My name is Brian Den. I don't 4050 03:00:17,520 --> 03:00:20,880 think that the estimated cost should be 4051 03:00:20,880 --> 03:00:24,319 prioritized. I think that the way that 4052 03:00:24,319 --> 03:00:25,840 it affects the community should be 4053 03:00:25,840 --> 03:00:36,870 prioritized. That's all I have to say. 4054 03:00:36,880 --> 03:00:39,359 » Hi, Rob Kazlowski again. Um, the only 4055 03:00:39,359 --> 03:00:41,120 thing I can say is folks, please build 4056 03:00:41,120 --> 03:00:42,720 something. Uh Cloverdale aliens have 4057 03:00:42,720 --> 03:00:44,960 paid $10 million over the last five 4058 03:00:44,960 --> 03:00:47,120 years to build up a bank account to 4059 03:00:47,120 --> 03:00:48,720 build the water and sewer 4060 03:00:48,720 --> 03:00:51,920 infrastructure. Uh the tabular graphic 4061 03:00:51,920 --> 03:00:54,479 presented by the city of Cloverdale to 4062 03:00:54,479 --> 03:00:56,560 me is shocking by its level of project 4063 03:00:56,560 --> 03:00:58,880 omissions, deferrals, and cancellations 4064 03:00:58,880 --> 03:01:01,120 or apparent cancellations. 4065 03:01:01,120 --> 03:01:03,359 Uh coupled with demands for another 4066 03:01:03,359 --> 03:01:05,040 study regarding new wells, it's an 4067 03:01:05,040 --> 03:01:07,840 abdication of the plans articulated in 4068 03:01:07,840 --> 03:01:10,479 2021. Please use that list. look at the 4069 03:01:10,479 --> 03:01:12,800 2021 list and you'll see that some of 4070 03:01:12,800 --> 03:01:15,600 those presented tonight are on there. 4071 03:01:15,600 --> 03:01:18,080 Um, but anyways, that list was used to 4072 03:01:18,080 --> 03:01:19,920 justify these massive water rate 4073 03:01:19,920 --> 03:01:21,840 increases over the last 5 years and the 4074 03:01:21,840 --> 03:01:23,840 partial replication of those same plans 4075 03:01:23,840 --> 03:01:25,680 offered to demand another round of 4076 03:01:25,680 --> 03:01:28,000 double-digit rate increases through 4077 03:01:28,000 --> 03:01:29,840 2031. 4078 03:01:29,840 --> 03:01:31,840 The proposed plan is an unwarranted 4079 03:01:31,840 --> 03:01:33,680 money grab, it feels to me, since we 4080 03:01:33,680 --> 03:01:35,920 have the money and uh we're jacking up 4081 03:01:35,920 --> 03:01:37,760 fees in violation of the law abiding 4082 03:01:37,760 --> 03:01:40,319 Proposition 218. And I'll agree disagree 4083 03:01:40,319 --> 03:01:42,160 with Alex on our correspondence on that 4084 03:01:42,160 --> 03:01:44,800 one where water rate increases must be 4085 03:01:44,800 --> 03:01:46,560 tied to the cost of providing those 4086 03:01:46,560 --> 03:01:49,040 water services. Uh considering the 4087 03:01:49,040 --> 03:01:50,800 following table that was just offered 4088 03:01:50,800 --> 03:01:53,359 up. The Cherry Creek Reservoir 59 years 4089 03:01:53,359 --> 03:01:55,600 and rusting has been moved to 2028 for 4090 03:01:55,600 --> 03:01:57,920 completion. A six-year deferral from 4091 03:01:57,920 --> 03:02:00,080 what we've already paid for. A new well 4092 03:02:00,080 --> 03:02:03,359 at the 2023 completion has been uh been 4093 03:02:03,359 --> 03:02:06,160 replaced with a study slated for 2027 or 4094 03:02:06,160 --> 03:02:08,560 2028. A 5-year delay without a drill 4095 03:02:08,560 --> 03:02:10,720 even scheduled to start that well. The 4096 03:02:10,720 --> 03:02:13,359 Ritter reservoir 38 years in rusting 4097 03:02:13,359 --> 03:02:15,680 with a 2024 completion is now 4098 03:02:15,680 --> 03:02:17,840 unscheduled. We missed that one. The 4099 03:02:17,840 --> 03:02:20,080 backup chlorine tank hailed as critical 4100 03:02:20,080 --> 03:02:22,800 at the time in 2021 was planned for 4101 03:02:22,800 --> 03:02:24,960 completion last year and it has been 4102 03:02:24,960 --> 03:02:27,520 dropped from that list. I don't get it. 4103 03:02:27,520 --> 03:02:29,439 transfer pumps and a ferber tank slated 4104 03:02:29,439 --> 03:02:32,399 for 2025 last year has been renamed Dell 4105 03:02:32,399 --> 03:02:35,040 Webb Foothill it looks like and moved to 4106 03:02:35,040 --> 03:02:39,040 a 2030 completion a 5-year deferral in 4107 03:02:39,040 --> 03:02:40,880 spite of 5 years of residents paying 4108 03:02:40,880 --> 03:02:42,640 double digit rate increases almost no 4109 03:02:42,640 --> 03:02:44,560 critical capital improvement projects 4110 03:02:44,560 --> 03:02:47,040 have been started yet alone completed 4111 03:02:47,040 --> 03:02:49,920 yet the waste water and water department 4112 03:02:49,920 --> 03:02:51,760 surpluses have ballooned to 10 million 4113 03:02:51,760 --> 03:02:54,399 as I mentioned the niceto-do activities 4114 03:02:54,399 --> 03:02:56,880 such as installation of grant inspired 4115 03:02:56,880 --> 03:02:59,600 water meters and nonwater related work 4116 03:02:59,600 --> 03:03:02,399 on a just activated solar system and air 4117 03:03:02,399 --> 03:03:03,840 conditioning of city buildings took 4118 03:03:03,840 --> 03:03:05,920 priority. To me, this is administrative 4119 03:03:05,920 --> 03:03:08,800 mismanagement. Have Cloverdale residents 4120 03:03:08,800 --> 03:03:11,200 been misled in how their water sewer 4121 03:03:11,200 --> 03:03:14,560 payments have been used? Um, I say no 4122 03:03:14,560 --> 03:03:16,560 more to rate increases until the focus 4123 03:03:16,560 --> 03:03:18,800 becomes sharper and promised water sewer 4124 03:03:18,800 --> 03:03:21,200 projects are completed. With bills 4125 03:03:21,200 --> 03:03:25,200 already 62% higher than 2021, please get 4126 03:03:25,200 --> 03:03:27,040 on with rebuilding the city's aging and 4127 03:03:27,040 --> 03:03:29,040 crumbling water infrastructure as 4128 03:03:29,040 --> 03:03:31,040 evidenced by recent water main breaks 4129 03:03:31,040 --> 03:03:33,439 and ongoing leaks. And by the way, the 4130 03:03:33,439 --> 03:03:36,160 leak close to my home was actually on 4131 03:03:36,160 --> 03:03:38,160 the property of the Cherry Creek 4132 03:03:38,160 --> 03:03:40,160 Reservoir. So, there was a leak already 4133 03:03:40,160 --> 03:03:45,510 in that area. Thank you for your time. 4134 03:03:45,520 --> 03:03:49,359 » Any other public comment on this item? 4135 03:03:49,359 --> 03:03:50,720 >> Okay. 4136 03:03:50,720 --> 03:03:52,800 Seeing none, and once again, thank you, 4137 03:03:52,800 --> 03:03:55,600 uh, Assistant City Manager Sanders for 4138 03:03:55,600 --> 03:03:58,640 bringing it up. Great. 4139 03:03:58,640 --> 03:04:05,110 Any other comments from council? 4140 03:04:05,120 --> 03:04:07,600 Righty, let's move into item I, Council 4141 03:04:07,600 --> 03:04:11,830 Member Reports. 4142 03:04:11,840 --> 03:04:14,240 Thank you, Mayor. Um, council member 4143 03:04:14,240 --> 03:04:19,279 report for Wednesday, August 12th, 2026. 4144 03:04:19,279 --> 03:04:22,960 Um, since our last meeting on Saturday, 4145 03:04:22,960 --> 03:04:27,120 July 25th, uh, we had an event uh, put 4146 03:04:27,120 --> 03:04:28,960 together, this was cooperation with the 4147 03:04:28,960 --> 03:04:31,040 city of Cloverdale and Sonoma County A 4148 03:04:31,040 --> 03:04:34,000 and Open Space. Uh, this was called Unia 4149 03:04:34,000 --> 03:04:37,600 de Kempo. It was our first guided hike 4150 03:04:37,600 --> 03:04:39,760 in Soda Springs Ranch, which was a 4151 03:04:39,760 --> 03:04:42,800 bilingual English and Spanish hike. Uh, 4152 03:04:42,800 --> 03:04:44,560 there was neighbors of all backgrounds 4153 03:04:44,560 --> 03:04:48,399 and ages that participated. Um, do want 4154 03:04:48,399 --> 03:04:52,720 to thank uh Irma, Raquel, and Olivia of 4155 03:04:52,720 --> 03:04:54,880 Sonoma County 4156 03:04:54,880 --> 03:04:56,880 a and open space as well as council 4157 03:04:56,880 --> 03:04:58,800 member Morgan Stern who [snorts] is on 4158 03:04:58,800 --> 03:05:01,840 the citizen advisory committee and 4159 03:05:01,840 --> 03:05:04,479 superintendent Hector Galvan 4160 03:05:04,479 --> 03:05:09,439 as well as um Corey Wattles. Uh I think 4161 03:05:09,439 --> 03:05:10,880 everyone who participated that day 4162 03:05:10,880 --> 03:05:12,640 really had a great time. It was just a 4163 03:05:12,640 --> 03:05:15,600 gathering of community. Um, you know, 4164 03:05:15,600 --> 03:05:17,600 everyone learned a lot about our new 4165 03:05:17,600 --> 03:05:19,760 open space and I think, you know, 4166 03:05:19,760 --> 03:05:21,439 everyone kind of became a steward that 4167 03:05:21,439 --> 03:05:25,040 day that they can go around and take 4168 03:05:25,040 --> 03:05:27,520 their friends and family, kids, parents 4169 03:05:27,520 --> 03:05:30,240 up there and uh teach them about um all 4170 03:05:30,240 --> 03:05:32,160 the different wildlife and trees that 4171 03:05:32,160 --> 03:05:34,080 they they've learned and and really care 4172 03:05:34,080 --> 03:05:36,479 for and appreciate our open space. On 4173 03:05:36,479 --> 03:05:38,960 Tuesday, July 28th, I attended the 4174 03:05:38,960 --> 03:05:40,800 Russian River Confluence Steering 4175 03:05:40,800 --> 03:05:43,760 Committee. Um, we discussed our goals 4176 03:05:43,760 --> 03:05:46,240 for annual gathering coming up later 4177 03:05:46,240 --> 03:05:49,520 this year. Uh, Wednesday, July 29th, I 4178 03:05:49,520 --> 03:05:53,359 met with Caitlyn Vegby of Legal Aid. Uh 4179 03:05:53,359 --> 03:05:55,279 we're working on updating the rent 4180 03:05:55,279 --> 03:05:57,840 stabilization ordinance and creating a 4181 03:05:57,840 --> 03:06:02,640 closure and conversion ordinance to um 4182 03:06:02,640 --> 03:06:04,640 that Caitlyn will draft a model of the 4183 03:06:04,640 --> 03:06:06,240 ordinances and circle back in 4184 03:06:06,240 --> 03:06:08,640 midepptember. So um there's been some 4185 03:06:08,640 --> 03:06:12,800 predatory agencies going after our um 4186 03:06:12,800 --> 03:06:14,240 different mobile home parks in the 4187 03:06:14,240 --> 03:06:16,160 county and so this is a way that we can 4188 03:06:16,160 --> 03:06:20,399 uh strengthen our um ability to hold 4189 03:06:20,399 --> 03:06:25,359 them off. Uh on Wednesday, July 29th, I 4190 03:06:25,359 --> 03:06:27,760 attended a Cloverdale community meeting. 4191 03:06:27,760 --> 03:06:29,520 Uh this was to connect with neighbors 4192 03:06:29,520 --> 03:06:31,200 and share concerns about the proposed 4193 03:06:31,200 --> 03:06:34,000 Esmeralda development. Uh I think the 4194 03:06:34,000 --> 03:06:36,319 one my my biggest takeaway is uh the 4195 03:06:36,319 --> 03:06:38,640 repeated concern I hear uh from 4196 03:06:38,640 --> 03:06:40,640 residents that would like to have a say 4197 03:06:40,640 --> 03:06:43,520 in the decisions made regarding any 4198 03:06:43,520 --> 03:06:46,479 approvals of that project. Uh on Monday, 4199 03:06:46,479 --> 03:06:49,840 August 3rd, I attended the Heelsburg 4200 03:06:49,840 --> 03:06:51,680 City Council and delivered public 4201 03:06:51,680 --> 03:06:53,600 comment to invite the Heelsburg City 4202 03:06:53,600 --> 03:06:56,000 Council to consider appointing a member 4203 03:06:56,000 --> 03:06:57,920 of their council to participate in 4204 03:06:57,920 --> 03:07:00,160 regional discussions regarding water 4205 03:07:00,160 --> 03:07:02,399 resiliency efforts and conversations 4206 03:07:02,399 --> 03:07:04,720 surrounding the proposed Alexander 4207 03:07:04,720 --> 03:07:07,359 Valley Water District. Um that was very 4208 03:07:07,359 --> 03:07:10,399 successful. Council member David Hegley 4209 03:07:10,399 --> 03:07:12,640 proposed the item for a future agenda. 4210 03:07:12,640 --> 03:07:15,040 It was unanimously supported and I can 4211 03:07:15,040 --> 03:07:18,479 confirm that uh the item will be on 4212 03:07:18,479 --> 03:07:21,359 their city council meeting for this 4213 03:07:21,359 --> 03:07:24,319 Monday, August 17th. Uh I will be in 4214 03:07:24,319 --> 03:07:26,000 attendance for that meeting along with 4215 03:07:26,000 --> 03:07:28,399 other regional stakeholders. Uh 4216 03:07:28,399 --> 03:07:31,520 Wednesday, August 5th was the LA 4217 03:07:31,520 --> 03:07:37,190 co-hering. They are the Sonoma County um 4218 03:07:37,200 --> 03:07:44,230 formation commission for uh local um 4219 03:07:44,240 --> 03:07:47,040 the local what what is the LAFCO 4220 03:07:47,040 --> 03:07:50,000 breakdown? It's a local agency formation 4221 03:07:50,000 --> 03:07:53,520 commission. Okay. Um Sonoma County Local 4222 03:07:53,520 --> 03:07:55,760 Agency Formation Commission. So, uh, 4223 03:07:55,760 --> 03:07:58,479 they held a hearing to appeal the denial 4224 03:07:58,479 --> 03:08:00,399 of the proposed Alexander Valley Water 4225 03:08:00,399 --> 03:08:02,880 District, which was denied on May 6th, 4226 03:08:02,880 --> 03:08:07,439 their proposal. Um, during this appeal, 4227 03:08:07,439 --> 03:08:09,920 uh, I did deliver our public comment on 4228 03:08:09,920 --> 03:08:12,080 behalf of the city of Cloverdale. Uh, 4229 03:08:12,080 --> 03:08:16,160 the LAFCO commission voted to continue 4230 03:08:16,160 --> 03:08:18,560 the discussion with the intent that the 4231 03:08:18,560 --> 03:08:20,399 commission will do something other than 4232 03:08:20,399 --> 03:08:23,120 deny. So that does not if they were to 4233 03:08:23,120 --> 03:08:25,120 grant the appeal it would have been 35 4234 03:08:25,120 --> 03:08:28,000 days that they would have to uh submit a 4235 03:08:28,000 --> 03:08:31,920 modified resolution. So um this allows 4236 03:08:31,920 --> 03:08:35,840 uh us and the city of Helsburg to get 4237 03:08:35,840 --> 03:08:38,800 our comments hopefully considered in uh 4238 03:08:38,800 --> 03:08:41,920 that proposal. Um, so the LAFC code did 4239 03:08:41,920 --> 03:08:43,760 form an ad hoc committee with chair 4240 03:08:43,760 --> 03:08:45,600 Susan Harvey and commission commissioner 4241 03:08:45,600 --> 03:08:48,399 David Rabbit uh to draft a modified 4242 03:08:48,399 --> 03:08:51,600 resolution and as information I received 4243 03:08:51,600 --> 03:08:52,960 prior to this meeting, they're still 4244 03:08:52,960 --> 03:08:55,840 awaiting the next steps from their own 4245 03:08:55,840 --> 03:08:58,399 legal counsel regarding how this is 4246 03:08:58,399 --> 03:08:59,840 going to proceed. The staff did not 4247 03:08:59,840 --> 03:09:02,960 expect the decision that was made that 4248 03:09:02,960 --> 03:09:06,319 day. So, uh, we'll be working very hard 4249 03:09:06,319 --> 03:09:10,479 at any any pops up. uh we'll have to 4250 03:09:10,479 --> 03:09:14,080 jump on it and work together to um 4251 03:09:14,080 --> 03:09:17,279 uh respond to to our opportunity there. 4252 03:09:17,279 --> 03:09:20,479 Uh on Thursday, August 6, I met with 4253 03:09:20,479 --> 03:09:22,399 Karen Gaffne. She's the director of 4254 03:09:22,399 --> 03:09:24,319 strategic planning and communication for 4255 03:09:24,319 --> 03:09:26,960 the North Coast Regional Partnership. Uh 4256 03:09:26,960 --> 03:09:29,439 the North Coast Resource Partnerships 4257 03:09:29,439 --> 03:09:31,680 mission is to enhance the watersheds and 4258 03:09:31,680 --> 03:09:33,680 communities of the North Coast region 4259 03:09:33,680 --> 03:09:35,439 through collaborative multi-objective 4260 03:09:35,439 --> 03:09:37,359 planning and project imple 4261 03:09:37,359 --> 03:09:39,120 implementation led by tribes and 4262 03:09:39,120 --> 03:09:42,560 counties. Um so hopefully this will be 4263 03:09:42,560 --> 03:09:45,200 something that we can participate in uh 4264 03:09:45,200 --> 03:09:47,200 work find out about some funding 4265 03:09:47,200 --> 03:09:48,479 opportunities that might be regional 4266 03:09:48,479 --> 03:09:52,000 funding funding opportunities to uh uh 4267 03:09:52,000 --> 03:09:55,040 help us fund our water resiliency. And 4268 03:09:55,040 --> 03:09:56,880 that was one of the benefits of updating 4269 03:09:56,880 --> 03:09:59,040 our list uh is that we can shop it 4270 03:09:59,040 --> 03:10:00,399 around to groups like this that can help 4271 03:10:00,399 --> 03:10:02,560 us out. Um so they will be adding us to 4272 03:10:02,560 --> 03:10:04,240 their email list serve so that we are 4273 03:10:04,240 --> 03:10:05,840 notified of upcoming meetings and 4274 03:10:05,840 --> 03:10:08,240 funding opportunities. On Thursday, 4275 03:10:08,240 --> 03:10:11,279 August 6, uh I attended the Eel Russian 4276 03:10:11,279 --> 03:10:13,120 Project Authority board meeting as a 4277 03:10:13,120 --> 03:10:15,359 member of the public also with uh Vice 4278 03:10:15,359 --> 03:10:19,200 Mayor Lans. uh they gave a presentation 4279 03:10:19,200 --> 03:10:22,479 on the new ill Russian facility nerf the 4280 03:10:22,479 --> 03:10:23,840 which would be the proposed water 4281 03:10:23,840 --> 03:10:26,160 diversion uh there was a modeling 4282 03:10:26,160 --> 03:10:28,720 analysis that was presented uh you can 4283 03:10:28,720 --> 03:10:30,640 check that out on YouTube now in Sonoma 4284 03:10:30,640 --> 03:10:33,279 water uh there's a YouTube video of just 4285 03:10:33,279 --> 03:10:35,359 that presentation alone it's about 25 4286 03:10:35,359 --> 03:10:37,600 minutes and I would say that my biggest 4287 03:10:37,600 --> 03:10:40,560 takeaway from that meeting would be that 4288 03:10:40,560 --> 03:10:42,960 we need to work on creating storage 4289 03:10:42,960 --> 03:10:45,600 options in case of a potential de uh dam 4290 03:10:45,600 --> 03:10:47,120 decommissioning uh especially our 4291 03:10:47,120 --> 03:10:50,080 short-term storage options. So, um it 4292 03:10:50,080 --> 03:10:51,840 was mentioned that doing that as a 4293 03:10:51,840 --> 03:10:54,399 region would be an effective way that we 4294 03:10:54,399 --> 03:10:55,680 don't have a bunch of cars moving at 4295 03:10:55,680 --> 03:10:57,520 different speeds that we can all work 4296 03:10:57,520 --> 03:10:59,680 together on creating storage and I think 4297 03:10:59,680 --> 03:11:01,920 everyone at that meeting on the board is 4298 03:11:01,920 --> 03:11:04,880 in alignment with that statement. Uh 4299 03:11:04,880 --> 03:11:08,080 Monday, August 10th, uh I attended the 4300 03:11:08,080 --> 03:11:09,439 Russian River Property Owners 4301 03:11:09,439 --> 03:11:11,200 Association steering committee for the 4302 03:11:11,200 --> 03:11:13,040 proposed Alexander Valley Water 4303 03:11:13,040 --> 03:11:15,760 District. Uh we discussed availability 4304 03:11:15,760 --> 03:11:18,319 of members and the upcoming Heelsburg 4305 03:11:18,319 --> 03:11:20,800 appointment. [snorts] On Tuesday, August 4306 03:11:20,800 --> 03:11:22,720 11th, attended the Cloverdale leadership 4307 03:11:22,720 --> 03:11:25,040 committee. Uh we received an update from 4308 03:11:25,040 --> 03:11:29,359 CERT uh citizens emergency response team 4309 03:11:29,359 --> 03:11:32,560 and I did propose uh the creation of a 4310 03:11:32,560 --> 03:11:34,080 subcommittee 4311 03:11:34,080 --> 03:11:35,680 uh to work on advocating for all 4312 03:11:35,680 --> 03:11:37,680 Cloverdale organizations around funding 4313 03:11:37,680 --> 03:11:40,160 needs and staying successful. And that's 4314 03:11:40,160 --> 03:11:41,920 uh you know these these funding needs do 4315 03:11:41,920 --> 03:11:45,359 shift from time to time. So, how um you 4316 03:11:45,359 --> 03:11:47,760 know, maybe our city's funds are spent. 4317 03:11:47,760 --> 03:11:49,439 There's a lot of fundraisers in town. 4318 03:11:49,439 --> 03:11:51,439 Ace Hardware does uh raise a lot of 4319 03:11:51,439 --> 03:11:53,600 money with their roundup. The Grange has 4320 03:11:53,600 --> 03:11:55,840 potential funding or even just u 4321 03:11:55,840 --> 03:11:58,319 advocating for strengthening uh boards 4322 03:11:58,319 --> 03:11:59,600 of directors for some of these 4323 03:11:59,600 --> 03:12:01,582 organizations that will ultimately 4324 03:12:01,582 --> 03:12:03,439 [snorts] help those groups uh stay 4325 03:12:03,439 --> 03:12:05,760 successful. And so I would just say 4326 03:12:05,760 --> 03:12:09,359 upcoming events to 4327 03:12:09,359 --> 03:12:11,760 keep on your radar is the Heelsburg City 4328 03:12:11,760 --> 03:12:14,640 Council meeting on Monday. 4329 03:12:14,640 --> 03:12:17,120 Thank you. 4330 03:12:17,120 --> 03:12:20,720 On July 23rd, I attended a Agon Open 4331 03:12:20,720 --> 03:12:23,760 Space meeting. It was at Steamer Landing 4332 03:12:23,760 --> 03:12:26,560 and um the Pedaluma River Park and 4333 03:12:26,560 --> 03:12:29,040 Friends of the Pedaluma River lectured 4334 03:12:29,040 --> 03:12:31,600 us about long their long-term vision for 4335 03:12:31,600 --> 03:12:33,600 the peninsula. Eventually, they're going 4336 03:12:33,600 --> 03:12:36,240 to have um add more things to it, 4337 03:12:36,240 --> 03:12:39,600 including barbecues. And they um told us 4338 03:12:39,600 --> 03:12:42,080 about their free use of kayaks, canoes, 4339 03:12:42,080 --> 03:12:44,640 and paddle boards, which are available 4340 03:12:44,640 --> 03:12:47,439 for anyone at the Red Barn at Steamer 4341 03:12:47,439 --> 03:12:50,160 Park Landing on Sundays. So, that was 4342 03:12:50,160 --> 03:12:52,479 exciting. Um I also attended the 4343 03:12:52,479 --> 03:12:58,240 wonderful hike that um council member Marquez and Hector 4344 03:12:58,240 --> 03:13:00,479 Galvin put together along with a open 4345 03:13:00,479 --> 03:13:02,319 space. And what I really liked about 4346 03:13:02,319 --> 03:13:04,960 that hike was they did different things 4347 03:13:04,960 --> 03:13:07,040 so that we could introduce ourselves to 4348 03:13:07,040 --> 03:13:10,000 different people and um everybody got to 4349 03:13:10,000 --> 03:13:12,560 know each other and nobody was on their 4350 03:13:12,560 --> 03:13:14,160 phone the entire time and everybody 4351 03:13:14,160 --> 03:13:16,160 really enjoyed the hike and I found it 4352 03:13:16,160 --> 03:13:19,279 really worthwhile. And um I also 4353 03:13:19,279 --> 03:13:22,560 attended the discussion about Esmeralda, 4354 03:13:22,560 --> 03:13:24,000 the event that took place at the 4355 03:13:24,000 --> 03:13:26,160 veterans hall and I thought it was 4356 03:13:26,160 --> 03:13:29,120 really valuable to listen to different 4357 03:13:29,120 --> 03:13:31,840 um people in our community, their um 4358 03:13:31,840 --> 03:13:34,160 concerns about Esmeralda. 4359 03:13:34,160 --> 03:13:37,040 And I also attended the um Chief 4360 03:13:37,040 --> 03:13:39,680 Parker's uh surprise party which was 4361 03:13:39,680 --> 03:13:42,000 really a fun event and a big surprise 4362 03:13:42,000 --> 03:13:47,510 for him. 4363 03:13:47,520 --> 03:13:50,880 on uh good evening council. On August 6, 4364 03:13:50,880 --> 03:13:52,239 I [clears throat] attended my regularly 4365 03:13:52,239 --> 03:13:55,200 scheduled Sonoma Clean Power meeting 4366 03:13:55,200 --> 03:13:56,800 with the board of directors. And if 4367 03:13:56,800 --> 03:13:59,680 anybody's still looking for 4368 03:13:59,680 --> 03:14:02,000 uh transitioning to complete 4369 03:14:02,000 --> 03:14:04,880 electricity, get rid of your gas, they 4370 03:14:04,880 --> 03:14:07,760 uh swim power does have a rebate 4371 03:14:07,760 --> 03:14:09,200 program. So if you're interested in 4372 03:14:09,200 --> 03:14:11,359 that, look up the uh Swimclean Power 4373 03:14:11,359 --> 03:14:13,040 website. 4374 03:14:13,040 --> 03:14:15,220 On August 10th, I attended 4375 03:14:15,220 --> 03:14:17,680 [clears throat] the Sonoma County uh 4376 03:14:17,680 --> 03:14:21,120 transit authority board meeting. Um that 4377 03:14:21,120 --> 03:14:26,800 meeting was basically uh regional updates on their continual 4378 03:14:26,800 --> 03:14:29,520 projects. Uh nothing too much to report 4379 03:14:29,520 --> 03:14:32,720 out on that. Uh [clears throat] 4380 03:14:32,720 --> 03:14:36,239 tomorrow I will uh on behalf of myself 4381 03:14:36,239 --> 03:14:38,399 and my employer, 4382 03:14:38,399 --> 03:14:41,200 we will be donating 36 backpacks to the 4383 03:14:41,200 --> 03:14:43,520 Cloverdale Unified School District to uh 4384 03:14:43,520 --> 03:14:45,520 and we'll present those to uh the 4385 03:14:45,520 --> 03:14:51,510 Superintendent Glenn Cisnero. 4386 03:14:51,520 --> 03:14:53,520 » Uh besides the ones that have already 4387 03:14:53,520 --> 03:14:55,520 been mentioned that I attended, I 4388 03:14:55,520 --> 03:14:56,800 attended the Geyserville planning 4389 03:14:56,800 --> 03:14:59,040 committee. It was a discussion about 4390 03:14:59,040 --> 03:15:01,200 Smart Train uh putting in a station in 4391 03:15:01,200 --> 03:15:03,279 Geyserville and to see if there was 4392 03:15:03,279 --> 03:15:05,279 community support. 4393 03:15:05,279 --> 03:15:07,279 I had a meeting with Sonoma Water to 4394 03:15:07,279 --> 03:15:09,439 discuss different regional concerns and 4395 03:15:09,439 --> 03:15:11,920 ways that we can work together. That was 4396 03:15:11,920 --> 03:15:13,920 another good meeting. Uh let's see here. 4397 03:15:13,920 --> 03:15:16,640 I met with Menino County and Lake County 4398 03:15:16,640 --> 03:15:19,439 supervisors uh to get to discuss the 4399 03:15:19,439 --> 03:15:21,279 Potter Valley project and different 4400 03:15:21,279 --> 03:15:23,359 concerns that they have and ways for us 4401 03:15:23,359 --> 03:15:25,279 to be working together more to make sure 4402 03:15:25,279 --> 03:15:28,880 that we have a a sustainable water 4403 03:15:28,880 --> 03:15:31,760 supply for our domestic water here. And 4404 03:15:31,760 --> 03:15:33,520 then we also had a meeting with the 4405 03:15:33,520 --> 03:15:35,760 Citrus Fair Board in regards to 4406 03:15:35,760 --> 03:15:37,840 Alexander Valley Healthcare and 4407 03:15:37,840 --> 03:15:40,319 Cloverdale and the school district with 4408 03:15:40,319 --> 03:15:42,399 their building of Alexander Valley 4409 03:15:42,399 --> 03:15:44,479 Healthcare. There's a corner that meets 4410 03:15:44,479 --> 03:15:46,000 with all of our underground 4411 03:15:46,000 --> 03:15:47,760 infrastructure and we needed to 4412 03:15:47,760 --> 03:15:50,800 negotiate a few items and so we had that 4413 03:15:50,800 --> 03:15:54,000 meeting uh what three days ago. So 4414 03:15:54,000 --> 03:15:55,520 that's all that had that was different 4415 03:15:55,520 --> 03:15:56,720 from everything else that's been 4416 03:15:56,720 --> 03:15:58,399 mentioned. 4417 03:15:58,399 --> 03:16:02,239 >> All righty. Thank you. Um I've had uh 4418 03:16:02,239 --> 03:16:03,760 had about an hour and a half meeting 4419 03:16:03,760 --> 03:16:06,399 with proposed C or uh candidate for 4420 03:16:06,399 --> 03:16:09,040 supervisor uh Tom Schwendelm. Great 4421 03:16:09,040 --> 03:16:13,760 meeting. had uh some good discussions on the needs of Cloverdale with him. Did 4422 03:16:13,760 --> 03:16:15,680 uh attended the school ribbon cutting 4423 03:16:15,680 --> 03:16:17,279 for the new school on the north end of 4424 03:16:17,279 --> 03:16:20,319 town and the T through uh K uh new 4425 03:16:20,319 --> 03:16:23,040 buildings that were in there. Um had 4426 03:16:23,040 --> 03:16:25,840 numerous constituent meetings and with 4427 03:16:25,840 --> 03:16:28,479 conversations on everything from them 4428 03:16:28,479 --> 03:16:30,479 voicing their opinion on Esmeralda to 4429 03:16:30,479 --> 03:16:32,800 the upcoming elections to you name it. 4430 03:16:32,800 --> 03:16:34,880 uh those those have been very numerous 4431 03:16:34,880 --> 03:16:37,760 and and very uh very informative and 4432 03:16:37,760 --> 03:16:39,760 also attended Chief Parker's uh 4433 03:16:39,760 --> 03:16:42,319 retirement surprise party which turned 4434 03:16:42,319 --> 03:16:45,439 out very well and uh and had the the new 4435 03:16:45,439 --> 03:16:47,600 chief there and uh there was a lot of 4436 03:16:47,600 --> 03:16:49,359 support. It was sad to see him go, but 4437 03:16:49,359 --> 03:16:51,840 we also have a great uh new chief here. 4438 03:16:51,840 --> 03:16:53,760 So uh Cloverdale Police Department's 4439 03:16:53,760 --> 03:17:01,190 rolling right along like they should. 4440 03:17:01,200 --> 03:17:03,600 There's been a lot of talk of the PA RAS 4441 03:17:03,600 --> 03:17:06,800 tonight and I we we fully acknowledge 4442 03:17:06,800 --> 03:17:09,279 that we are behind. Mike, how many do we 4443 03:17:09,279 --> 03:17:12,469 have? 4444 03:17:12,479 --> 03:17:14,160 » We've reached the 100 count already for 4445 03:17:14,160 --> 03:17:16,560 this year. We have approximately 47 open 4446 03:17:16,560 --> 03:17:19,359 Pas. Many of the PAS are multi-pronged. 4447 03:17:19,359 --> 03:17:22,239 So, if I had to be honest with you, 4448 03:17:22,239 --> 03:17:24,560 200 PAS maybe. Yeah, 4449 03:17:24,560 --> 03:17:26,160 >> realistically from a search parameter, 4450 03:17:26,160 --> 03:17:28,880 but yes, 47 identified numbered PAs are 4451 03:17:28,880 --> 03:17:29,600 open right now. 4452 03:17:29,600 --> 03:17:31,600 >> So, we are we do take it seriously. I 4453 03:17:31,600 --> 03:17:33,920 understand people are are frustrated and 4454 03:17:33,920 --> 03:17:36,160 we're we've come up with a plan. It's a 4455 03:17:36,160 --> 03:17:38,000 little drastic, but this is what we're 4456 03:17:38,000 --> 03:17:40,239 going to try to do is actually close 4457 03:17:40,239 --> 03:17:44,479 city hall for not extended periods of 4458 03:17:44,479 --> 03:17:47,600 time, but maybe one day or certain hours 4459 03:17:47,600 --> 03:17:49,600 of the day. This will allow Mike to get 4460 03:17:49,600 --> 03:17:51,680 some help from the front desk staff who 4461 03:17:51,680 --> 03:17:55,040 he's training to work on PAS. 4462 03:17:55,040 --> 03:17:56,640 Secondarily, we're working on 4463 03:17:56,640 --> 03:17:59,600 potentially getting a U temp. We've 4464 03:17:59,600 --> 03:18:02,800 already contacted the temp um agency. I 4465 03:18:02,800 --> 03:18:04,319 forget the name of it. It's in town 4466 03:18:04,319 --> 03:18:07,920 here. Um so, we are that's our plan 4467 03:18:07,920 --> 03:18:10,800 right now. As Mike's been talking about 4468 03:18:10,800 --> 03:18:12,479 this and I agree with him, we are 4469 03:18:12,479 --> 03:18:14,720 hemorrhaging. We're trying to get it 4470 03:18:14,720 --> 03:18:16,560 under control and we're going to start 4471 03:18:16,560 --> 03:18:18,880 with those two steps. 4472 03:18:18,880 --> 03:18:21,040 So, 4473 03:18:21,040 --> 03:18:24,000 please be patient. I understand we Mike 4474 03:18:24,000 --> 03:18:27,600 is a oneperson department and there's a 4475 03:18:27,600 --> 03:18:29,200 lot of the election just everything. So, 4476 03:18:29,200 --> 03:18:30,800 that that's our plan. So, hopefully 4477 03:18:30,800 --> 03:18:32,880 things will start getting out the door. 4478 03:18:32,880 --> 03:18:36,239 Um, so just want to bring that up. We 4479 03:18:36,239 --> 03:18:38,000 mentioned we had nine qualified 4480 03:18:38,000 --> 03:18:39,840 candidates that we received from the 4481 03:18:39,840 --> 03:18:41,439 extended nomination period. So, that's 4482 03:18:41,439 --> 03:18:44,000 great. nine nine folks newsletter will 4483 03:18:44,000 --> 03:18:47,600 go out tomorrow. Um we did conduct um 4484 03:18:47,600 --> 03:18:49,920 police department 4485 03:18:49,920 --> 03:18:52,239 uh potential trainee interviews today. I 4486 03:18:52,239 --> 03:18:53,600 didn't hear the results but I know 4487 03:18:53,600 --> 03:18:55,920 chiefs uh keep going to interview the 4488 03:18:55,920 --> 03:18:58,319 top candidates. That person will be 4489 03:18:58,319 --> 03:19:00,160 sponsored to go through the academy 4490 03:19:00,160 --> 03:19:01,600 through the city and then ultimately 4491 03:19:01,600 --> 03:19:05,040 onto our PD mayors and councils dinner 4492 03:19:05,040 --> 03:19:07,600 is tomorrow night in Ronard Park. And 4493 03:19:07,600 --> 03:19:10,319 just really lastly, big shout out to 4494 03:19:10,319 --> 03:19:12,239 public works team who refurbished our 4495 03:19:12,239 --> 03:19:16,080 deis. You can see it looks great. Um the 4496 03:19:16,080 --> 03:19:18,080 symbol and all of it. So we did that 4497 03:19:18,080 --> 03:19:20,239 inhouse and really really happy with the 4498 03:19:20,239 --> 03:19:29,510 outcome. Thank you. 4499 03:19:29,520 --> 03:19:32,080 » On future agenda items. 4500 03:19:32,080 --> 03:19:34,399 >> Have uh two requests. Thank you, mayor. 4501 03:19:34,399 --> 03:19:38,479 Um the first one would be to agendaize 4502 03:19:38,479 --> 03:19:41,200 um and I say maybe timely manner when 4503 03:19:41,200 --> 03:19:43,920 we're ready uh for a discussion of a 4504 03:19:43,920 --> 03:19:45,920 potential LAFCO comment regarding the 4505 03:19:45,920 --> 03:19:47,840 conditions in the modified proclamation 4506 03:19:47,840 --> 03:19:49,760 for the proposed Alexander Valley Water 4507 03:19:49,760 --> 03:19:52,800 District. So um 4508 03:19:52,800 --> 03:19:54,880 timeline and their process has not even 4509 03:19:54,880 --> 03:19:57,600 been set yet. So uh I think when when 4510 03:19:57,600 --> 03:19:59,760 it's ready, you know, I can notify uh 4511 03:19:59,760 --> 03:20:02,000 city manager and um hopefully get that 4512 03:20:02,000 --> 03:20:04,319 on the agenda. And I would I would like 4513 03:20:04,319 --> 03:20:06,479 to uh review any comment with my fellow 4514 03:20:06,479 --> 03:20:11,190 council members. 4515 03:20:11,200 --> 03:20:13,279 » I would totally be on board with that. 4516 03:20:13,279 --> 03:20:15,120 The one thing I do want to make sure um 4517 03:20:15,120 --> 03:20:17,040 I've had some comments from some 4518 03:20:17,040 --> 03:20:19,040 different former county councils that 4519 03:20:19,040 --> 03:20:21,359 says that this isn't legal for us to be 4520 03:20:21,359 --> 03:20:23,120 uh being part of the conversation and 4521 03:20:23,120 --> 03:20:24,800 part of the decision-making process. And 4522 03:20:24,800 --> 03:20:25,840 so I want to make sure that our 4523 03:20:25,840 --> 03:20:27,840 attorneys can look into that and make 4524 03:20:27,840 --> 03:20:29,520 sure that we are doing it legally so we 4525 03:20:29,520 --> 03:20:31,520 don't have litigation come upon us. 4526 03:20:31,520 --> 03:20:34,319 >> Absolutely. And uh um yeah, I've been in 4527 03:20:34,319 --> 03:20:38,239 touch with uh you know, Vern and um also 4528 03:20:38,239 --> 03:20:40,160 the property owners attorneys and we 4529 03:20:40,160 --> 03:20:41,279 could actually have all three of our 4530 03:20:41,279 --> 03:20:43,520 attorneys meet and really align on that. 4531 03:20:43,520 --> 03:20:44,560 I I would support that. 4532 03:20:44,560 --> 03:20:45,920 >> Definitely. Definitely agree with it. I 4533 03:20:45,920 --> 03:20:46,800 just want to make sure that we're doing 4534 03:20:46,800 --> 03:20:47,439 the right thing. 4535 03:20:47,439 --> 03:20:50,000 >> Absolutely. 4536 03:20:50,000 --> 03:20:51,520 >> Just for the record, can you reiterate? 4537 03:20:51,520 --> 03:20:53,520 Hey, I think I heard consensus to bring 4538 03:20:53,520 --> 03:20:55,040 back 4539 03:20:55,040 --> 03:20:57,359 whenever we know a proposed comment 4540 03:20:57,359 --> 03:21:00,080 letter on the new LAFCO uh conditions of 4541 03:21:00,080 --> 03:21:01,760 approval for the formation of the 4542 03:21:01,760 --> 03:21:04,080 Alexander Valley Wine. 4543 03:21:04,080 --> 03:21:06,080 >> What we already did, but 4544 03:21:06,080 --> 03:21:07,359 >> yeah. Yeah, it's basically what we did. 4545 03:21:07,359 --> 03:21:12,319 We're just uh when the date that just to keep that um option that we have 4546 03:21:12,319 --> 03:21:14,080 it on the option to put it on the 4547 03:21:14,080 --> 03:21:16,720 agenda. Appreciate the support on that. 4548 03:21:16,720 --> 03:21:19,600 Um, second item would be to request for 4549 03:21:19,600 --> 03:21:21,680 our city attorney to conduct a legal 4550 03:21:21,680 --> 03:21:23,760 analysis regarding potential voter 4551 03:21:23,760 --> 03:21:26,800 consideration of legislative approvals 4552 03:21:26,800 --> 03:21:29,600 associated with the proposed Esmeralda 4553 03:21:29,600 --> 03:21:31,359 development project, including 4554 03:21:31,359 --> 03:21:33,680 procedural requirements, 4555 03:21:33,680 --> 03:21:39,510 election timeline, and costs. 4556 03:21:39,520 --> 03:21:42,800 » Is this to just to clarify to put the 4557 03:21:42,800 --> 03:21:44,640 city to put something on the ballot? 4558 03:21:44,640 --> 03:21:47,840 >> Um, potentially. It's really the um the 4559 03:21:47,840 --> 03:21:51,920 uh to conduct a legal analysis to um 4560 03:21:51,920 --> 03:21:53,840 find out you know I think uh you know 4561 03:21:53,840 --> 03:21:55,359 what is the council's affirmative 4562 03:21:55,359 --> 03:21:57,040 authority under California elections 4563 03:21:57,040 --> 03:21:59,439 code 9222 4564 03:21:59,439 --> 03:22:01,200 and um how does the development 4565 03:22:01,200 --> 03:22:03,359 agreement align with the government code 4566 03:22:03,359 --> 03:22:05,279 658 4567 03:22:05,279 --> 03:22:12,790 67.5. 4568 03:22:12,800 --> 03:22:15,760 Yeah, I I mean I could I could just send 4569 03:22:15,760 --> 03:22:18,080 the council. I mean that's a pretty 4570 03:22:18,080 --> 03:22:20,399 simple answer. It will not take long to 4571 03:22:20,399 --> 03:22:23,680 do that. I mean the council can decide 4572 03:22:23,680 --> 03:22:26,319 to put things on the ballot. Um if it 4573 03:22:26,319 --> 03:22:28,080 wants you have to complete environmental 4574 03:22:28,080 --> 03:22:31,680 review before you you do that. Um it's 4575 03:22:31,680 --> 03:22:33,840 too late to put anything on the November 4576 03:22:33,840 --> 03:22:36,080 uh 2026 ballot, but we can put all the 4577 03:22:36,080 --> 03:22:37,760 information in the email for the council 4578 03:22:37,760 --> 03:22:38,160 and I can 4579 03:22:38,160 --> 03:22:38,880 >> Yeah, that that was 4580 03:22:38,880 --> 03:22:41,600 >> drafted in a way that's not um attorney 4581 03:22:41,600 --> 03:22:45,200 client privilege because I know there's public interest take very 4582 03:22:45,200 --> 03:22:46,479 >> Excuse me. Sorry. Sorry for 4583 03:22:46,479 --> 03:22:48,640 interrupting. Um 4584 03:22:48,640 --> 03:22:50,960 >> yeah, I do understand that we would be 4585 03:22:50,960 --> 03:22:52,560 definitely out of time for the November 4586 03:22:52,560 --> 03:22:54,880 election. So, um, an election timeline 4587 03:22:54,880 --> 03:22:56,960 and cost if there were to be a special, 4588 03:22:56,960 --> 03:22:59,840 uh, election conducted and, um, you 4589 03:22:59,840 --> 03:23:01,200 know, I guess with government code 4590 03:23:01,200 --> 03:23:04,950 65867.5, 4591 03:23:04,960 --> 03:23:06,800 um, 4592 03:23:06,800 --> 03:23:09,680 that could be something that there's a, 4593 03:23:09,680 --> 03:23:11,279 um, 4594 03:23:11,279 --> 03:23:13,920 just if if if if that would be something 4595 03:23:13,920 --> 03:23:16,239 I would like to discuss uh, publicly, 4596 03:23:16,239 --> 03:23:17,520 you know, if we could agendaize that, 4597 03:23:17,520 --> 03:23:20,080 that's the request. Um, I think if we 4598 03:23:20,080 --> 03:23:22,560 all receive information, uh, I don't 4599 03:23:22,560 --> 03:23:24,080 understand how we we, you know, for 4600 03:23:24,080 --> 03:23:26,479 Brown Act, uh, rules that we would not 4601 03:23:26,479 --> 03:23:31,030 be able to deliberate. 4602 03:23:31,040 --> 03:23:32,160 » You certainly wouldn't be able to 4603 03:23:32,160 --> 03:23:33,520 deliberate. I I thought this is 4604 03:23:33,520 --> 03:23:35,439 justformational that you might share 4605 03:23:35,439 --> 03:23:38,880 with your constituents. Um, the council 4606 03:23:38,880 --> 03:23:40,720 can't make a decision to put something 4607 03:23:40,720 --> 03:23:43,279 on the ballot until environmental review 4608 03:23:43,279 --> 03:23:47,439 is done. So, um, you know, until SQA is 4609 03:23:47,439 --> 03:23:50,399 completed. So, Um, as the council knows, 4610 03:23:50,399 --> 03:23:52,880 the applicants in the process of 4611 03:23:52,880 --> 03:23:55,120 requesting that city council approve an 4612 03:23:55,120 --> 03:23:57,520 addendum. So, the council could approve 4613 03:23:57,520 --> 03:24:01,040 that addendum and put the matter on the 4614 03:24:01,040 --> 03:24:03,520 ballot. If the council doesn't want to 4615 03:24:03,520 --> 03:24:06,720 approve the addendum and then decides we 4616 03:24:06,720 --> 03:24:08,160 need to do a full EIR, you'd have to 4617 03:24:08,160 --> 03:24:10,000 wait for the full EIR to be done and 4618 03:24:10,000 --> 03:24:12,399 approved before you could put it on the 4619 03:24:12,399 --> 03:24:16,399 >> um if we do receive information from 4620 03:24:16,399 --> 03:24:19,120 uh yourself, city attorney, uh is that 4621 03:24:19,120 --> 03:24:20,720 information that we'd be able to share 4622 03:24:20,720 --> 03:24:22,239 or publicly 4623 03:24:22,239 --> 03:24:23,840 >> if it's all right with the council? I 4624 03:24:23,840 --> 03:24:26,239 mean, this is just citations to law. 4625 03:24:26,239 --> 03:24:28,479 It's nothing analysis. I think we can 4626 03:24:28,479 --> 03:24:30,160 prepare it in a way that is not attorney 4627 03:24:30,160 --> 03:24:33,990 client privileged 4628 03:24:34,000 --> 03:24:36,160 » because yeah that would be um you know 4629 03:24:36,160 --> 03:24:39,760 my my ask here would really to be put it put put it on the agenda as a 4630 03:24:39,760 --> 03:24:42,560 presentation um you know which proposed 4631 03:24:42,560 --> 03:24:46,560 Esmeralda's which proposed uh Esmeralda 4632 03:24:46,560 --> 03:24:50,399 approvals may constitute ordinances 4633 03:24:50,399 --> 03:24:52,160 um also you know would individual 4634 03:24:52,160 --> 03:24:53,760 approvals need to be submitted 4635 03:24:53,760 --> 03:24:56,800 separately or could they appropriately 4636 03:24:56,800 --> 03:24:58,560 be presented as a single ballot 4637 03:24:58,560 --> 03:25:01,200 proposition. It's a just get get a 4638 03:25:01,200 --> 03:25:02,880 little bit in the weeds there, but um 4639 03:25:02,880 --> 03:25:04,399 that would be the ask if we can 4640 03:25:04,399 --> 03:25:06,479 agendaize a presentation of that uh 4641 03:25:06,479 --> 03:25:10,630 legal analysis. 4642 03:25:10,640 --> 03:25:12,080 » And I'm asking my fellow council 4643 03:25:12,080 --> 03:25:18,229 members. Yes. 4644 03:25:18,239 --> 03:25:23,349 » Okay. Thank you. 4645 03:25:23,359 --> 03:25:27,040 So the the direction was to prepare a 4646 03:25:27,040 --> 03:25:30,880 presentation that will uh summarize 4647 03:25:30,880 --> 03:25:32,800 essentially the the council's options 4648 03:25:32,800 --> 03:25:37,279 for placing uh the Esmeralda project on 4649 03:25:37,279 --> 03:25:40,399 the ballot. Uh what the procedures are, 4650 03:25:40,399 --> 03:25:43,680 what what elements of the approval and 4651 03:25:43,680 --> 03:25:45,840 then what the costs associated with that 4652 03:25:45,840 --> 03:25:46,160 would be. 4653 03:25:46,160 --> 03:25:46,560 >> Yes. 4654 03:25:46,560 --> 03:25:48,560 >> For sake of lawsuit, can we say any 4655 03:25:48,560 --> 03:25:50,800 project? Not the Esmeralda project. any 4656 03:25:50,800 --> 03:25:52,720 development that comes into town because 4657 03:25:52,720 --> 03:25:55,600 I would hate to be sued because we're 4658 03:25:55,600 --> 03:25:58,000 focusing on one and trying to 4659 03:25:58,000 --> 03:26:02,720 >> it's up to um the council. I mean it's pretty generic language this 4660 03:26:02,720 --> 03:26:05,439 particular project because they're 4661 03:26:05,439 --> 03:26:07,520 seeking the development agreement things 4662 03:26:07,520 --> 03:26:09,920 like that. It's not quite the same as 4663 03:26:09,920 --> 03:26:11,840 someone who's just seeking a cup where 4664 03:26:11,840 --> 03:26:13,760 we really, you know, 4665 03:26:13,760 --> 03:26:15,600 >> and that that would yeah, that'd be the 4666 03:26:15,600 --> 03:26:17,120 request. I if you know the legal 4667 03:26:17,120 --> 03:26:18,800 analysis can be done that, you know, we 4668 03:26:18,800 --> 03:26:22,000 can do this as a specific project. I 4669 03:26:22,000 --> 03:26:25,439 think that's my understanding we can. 4670 03:26:25,439 --> 03:26:25,760 >> Yeah. 4671 03:26:25,760 --> 03:26:26,720 So that 4672 03:26:26,720 --> 03:26:31,429 >> Okay. 4673 03:26:31,439 --> 03:26:36,469 » You got everything, Mike? Mike, 4674 03:26:36,479 --> 03:26:39,600 » you got any future agenda? 4675 03:26:39,600 --> 03:26:43,439 I don't either. 4676 03:26:43,439 --> 03:26:45,120 >> All righty. We're going to call the 4677 03:26:45,120 --> 03:26:49,720 meeting adjournment at 9:26