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Good evening, everybody. We're going to go ahead and call the closing city council meeting to order for March 16, 2026 at 601 PM and leaving us in the flag salute will be Mayor Protem, Diane Pierce.

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I'd like to lead you to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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If our city clerk, parah would call the road.

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Yes, Councilmember Ashbeck, Councilmember Baskill, Councilmember Bessinger, Mayor Pro Tempiers here, and Mayor Moana to it.

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here. At this time, you're going to open the public comments portion. If you're here to speak

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on item that is within our jurisdiction, but not on the agenda, you may do so at this

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time. You have three minutes. If you can state your name and give your address for the record.

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Brian Wilson, Bergen Avenue, Clovis. I'm here today to discuss our flag policy for the city of Clovis.

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Are we got an exceptional city manager? I know that. He worked on that policy and has changed the

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to reflect what we're actually doing because we've been in violation since 23 of our own flag policy.

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So the next step is I would like to, since that was one, was to change the policy to reflect what we're actually doing on our flags.

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The second request was that we have the city council make it policy of the city, not just in an administrative memorandum.

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223.01 was the memorandum for that.

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And it was done by hope when he was in a city manager.

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I'd like to see that done by city council

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resolution and open for public hearing,

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and so that if the city council has that jurisdiction

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and not the city manager.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Brent.

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Anyone else?

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see them we're going to close the public portion. Oh go ahead.

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Go ahead and do.

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Bill Scott 341

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evergreen. I want to kind of bury the hatchup with Lynn. No, this is good. This is good.

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I've been talking with Brian and I know what he's, you know, looking to do. And. Brian

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do. What? Oh, that Brian that just talked? Yeah. Yeah. And you would brought up what you'd

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to see is some kind of a program or procedure. So you must have some idea what was you were

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looking to do and I've got some ideas. Why don't you and me get together and come up with

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something that will solve this? So that if somebody does want to do something, there is a procedure.

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I'd be willing to work with you, wouldn't it? And you want to invite someone to come and be part of

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it that, yeah, let's solve this. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Bill. You and Councilman Rache,

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I can figure that one out.

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It's within our jurisdiction.

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We were awesome.

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Good story.

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We had a little derelative.

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But I appreciate that, Mr. Scott.

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I will circle back.

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Anyone else?

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Do I have to buy breakfast?

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Oh, maybe.

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OK.

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See you then.

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We're going to close the public portion.

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Before we move to consent, I'm just going to ask the council

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if we're willing to move item 13 to the after 14.

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And just in case there are things we can just talk about the budget at the end.

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Is that okay with the council?

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Everybody good?

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Okay.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Now we'll move to consent.

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Concent items are considered.

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Routine in nature.

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We've considered as a proven emotion together as one.

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This evening we will be pulling item number 10.

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And so that's the only one council like to pull any of the items.

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Okay, is the public, anyone like to address items one through nine?

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I don't, okay, seeing none.

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Why don't we, or you do? Okay.

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This is for consent items one through nine.

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Yeah, I just walked in, so one second.

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I was going to speak on one of the items on the agenda that you were,

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the $1.3 million.

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Which item is that?

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Item 3, yes, go ahead.

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So an item 3 you're asking for $1.3 million.

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But I was adding up the $1.8 million that is supposed to be in the housing dress fund.

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So the numbers weren't matching to me, and I'm just wondering,

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this one three five osmine senior apartment project.

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When did it first come to city council and then the money that you're giving from there from the housing trust fund?

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How much is left in the housing trust fund after it all goes?

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What is actually left in the housing trust fund right now?

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I'll have to come back on a schedule like I said I just walked in.

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But this is something I definitely want to flag is the item number three.

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And why are we giving another $1.3 million to the same project?

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I think it's been a peer for a minute.

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I just want to confirm the date.

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Trying to read it.

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See what else I had before my time runs out.

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But if you guys can look into that,

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and then also I want to make sure that we're

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staying in compliant with the rena,

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that we're actually having these units done

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because I think I was looking at your guys' report

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And the report has in there no turn over of like multi-family housing and stuff like that.

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And I just wondering in the report that you're given to HDD or to the state, why in three years after this agreement that you can address that one on the reading numbers on public hearing number 11.

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So we're only on one through nine.

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Oh, yes, we can still address 11 in a little bit.

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Okay, yeah, one call the reading numbers up.

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What was your name?

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Des.

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Des, okay.

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Thank you.

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And do we have any answers?

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Anyone else in the public right to address?

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Okay.

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And I think this one point through is approval while back.

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And this is the same project.

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We're not adding any additional funds to what we approve.

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So this project has been under consideration for a couple of years.

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We have committed funding from the Housing Trust Fund of about a million.

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And then we also have committed funding from the

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the trust fund contribution. Could be a little off on a numbers, but that is, we're

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putting everything into that. Okay. Well, let's see, the person who knows is out the

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desk. Did you have anything to add Claudia to that or?

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That's correct. It also has, all the housing trust fund money is still in the housing

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trust fund. It has not been used. It is being set aside for 1.5 oz. The additional 2 years

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of housing trust fund is also going to be set aside for 1.5 oz. And Mike was mentioned

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another two years of PLC funds as well.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions from the council?

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Close the public portion now.

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We have items one through nine.

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I'll take a motion to provide us one through nine.

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The consent calendar.

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Second.

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We have motion.

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Second.

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All those in favor seem to probably see an eye.

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Any opposed?

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Motion carries.

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And we have item 10.

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Good.

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Andy, I'll give it to you.

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Yeah.

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We received an appeal on this bit of word and we have staff available for a short presentation.

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We'll turn it over to them and go from there.

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Good evening Mayor and city council members.

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My name is Sarah Yanowski.

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I'm a principal utilities engineer for Public Utilities Department.

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And I do want to say city staff received an official bid protest as of March 13th,

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And this was submitted by the company so-called Pacific Construction Corporation.

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And after a thorough review, it was considered and determined that the items identified

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in the protest lack merit.

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And today's city staff would like to award the project to Polytech Industrial Incorporated.

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We do have a representative from the little biter and we also have a representative from the second little biter here in this meeting and I am here for any questions.

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Okay, are there any questions of staff at this time?

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Okay.

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I have a process question.

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I don't know that I've seen many of these over the years.

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So what is the process?

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They appeal staff has reviewed it and determined it's without merit.

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Are we acting on the item as presented?

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Are we going to hear people say this is why I think it's inappropriate?

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Did I, I guess I don't know what the process is from here?

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Yes, do what I just said?

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Help.

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Scott, help her.

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I'll take that if that's okay.

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Yeah, you're absolutely right.

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These are somewhat rare.

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I mean, we've had a couple of bid protests over the years on various items, so the process.

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The reason why staff asked to pull this item is because the protests came in after we

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had submitted the materials for the bid packet.

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So we didn't have the benefit of the protests at the time we prepared the staff report.

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However, the protests came in late on Friday, we reviewed it, staff reviewed it.

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We provided that also to the apparent low bidder, the one that we're recommending or staff

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recommending that we award to, so that they can respond to the contentions in the bid

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protests.

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We've also done the research on that, and again, we feel that the protests, although it

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raised two issues, we feel that they've been adequately addressed, and staffs recommendation

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remains the same as what's in the staff report, to award to the parent low bidder.

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Again, I think you'll hear from the low bidder who were recommending that the Council

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still award to, which you're still within your right to award the contract tonight, not

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stand in the protest because we think we've resolved the issues raised in the protest.

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You'll also probably hear from the protestor as well.

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Second, a little bit of asking for either the item to be continued for further deliberation.

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We don't think there's any reason to do so at this point.

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Okay, so the low bitter is the person we're awarding it to recommending.

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Recommending to.

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The second little bitter is the person who submitted the protest.

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Correct.

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Okay, and then what's the responsibility to reply back to the person who didn't get the contract?

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We've already provided a response staff provided a response this afternoon before the meeting.

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Saying, hey, we reviewed your protests and fairness to you.

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We're going to let you know we're sticking with our recommendation, and here's why.

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But of course they have the ability to show up at the hearing at the meeting tonight and voice that, so we expect them to.

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But again, based on our findings and I think we included some material to the council members on the protest and our findings along with staff's findings and the emails that were sent to both both bidders this afternoon after we had made the determination.

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Okay, since we just got this slide, it just was hard to sort of scan as I'm trying to figure out.

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Understood, and that's, again, that's why it's poll tonight.

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The recommendation has not changed, but some of the facts that had led to the recommendation

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have changed, so we thought it fair, obviously, for the council to know there has been

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an official protest.

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We reviewed it.

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We made the determination that it won't change the staff's recommendation tonight.

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Is it appropriate to just, I mean, it looks like the, can you just comment, either one of you?

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I mean, the protests are licensing in eligibility, that's not small, and then the false

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statements on bitter qualifications, and they're saying that's actually not true.

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So, can somebody help? I mean, they can say that, but is there evidence that those are incorrect statements?

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I think this looks kind of serious what they're talking about, so I want to make sure we're careful.

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Yeah, absolutely. And we did take it in serious business when it came in on Friday.

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And again, our research has determined that the contracting issue or the licensing issue,

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Although on its face might look like something, it ultimately is not, based on the actual bid that was submitted by the parent low bidder.

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There are C33 specialty license.

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The majority of the work falls within that license.

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There is a portion of the project that falls with outside of the C33 specialty.

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However, as a prime contractor or the lead contractor, if you will, on the project,

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They're authorized to bid on that even with the C33 specialty license, and then subcontract the additional portion of the work to an A license

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Engineering contractor, which they have done. So that was the issue raised. I think in item one of the protests was that it should really be the A contractor that's the prime or the lead with the specialty doing the other.

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But the law allows it as it's being proposed here, because the majority of the work is under the C33 specialty license.

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The second point raise goes to responsibility.

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Of the contractor or the bidder in this case, which can be a serious issue. The responsibility, again, the law requires that in this context, the agency award the contract to the lowest responsible bidder, or the bidder that submits the lowest bid, who is responsible.

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So, if a bidder is not responsible, then their bid gets kicked out. But in this instance, the allegations for the lack of responsibility actually go to another issue.

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And I don't want to get into the weeds unless you want me to, but there's a difference.

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The law recognizes a distinction between the responsibility, a bidder's responsibility, trustworthiness,

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ability to do the project, those sorts of things, versus the responsiveness of the bid.

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So bid responsiveness versus bidder responsibility are two separate things.

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And what we found, and we had the low bidder, they may be able to speak to it again tonight.

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They submitted information to the city and an affidavit sworn under oath that they didn't

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have any of these responsibility issues that have been alleged in the bid protests.

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They were an essence responsible bid responsiveness issues which really are much smaller

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things like they forgot to dot an eye on a bid document or they forgot to submit something

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that might be required by an agency's bid document.

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And for those reasons as we've run into on several occasions with other projects, if a bid

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is non-responsive or it doesn't provide everything that we want.

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Although the bidder may be responsible, may be totally trustworthy and able to do the project,

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but their bid documents just don't fully respond to the invitation for bid.

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Then the bid can't be awarded to that non-responsive bid.

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But again, totally separate issue, the bidder responsibility.

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And in this instance, the two allegations, and then there was a third that was raised later,

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reporting to be based on bitter responsibility are really bid responsiveness.

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So again, easily addressed, I think, in the response from the low bitter, and again, doesn't

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change the staff's recommendation, that we determine that polytech is a responsible bitter,

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has submitted the lowest bid on this item, and so therefore we're recommending a word

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to Pauli today.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions?

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This time we're going to go ahead and open up the public portion.

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I understand that.

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Who is online?

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Brianna, we can go to the person online first.

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Is it so calm?

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Yes.

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Can we have Matt?

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Who is the second lowest bit?

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Okay.

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For so-called Pacific Court.

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And Matt, would you like to speak?

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Yes.

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The word is coming to you guys tonight to ask you guys to please consider holding off so

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we're asking for actually one or two things to either postpone the award to give us the appropriate

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time to go through the actual protest process. This was kind of an out of sort of how it's worked

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on this one. So we're either asking for you guys to either postpone and award at a later time or reject

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all bids. And the reason we're asking to reject all bids is because

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tabulations,

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and

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did not receive them until Friday the 13th

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not give us the appropriate window needed.

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Any questions of the representative from SoCal?

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Thank you, Matt. Anyone else here?

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Speak.

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Okay. We're going to go ahead and close the public portion and then bring it back to the council.

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Any other questions?

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So, Scott, or Sarah, I just wanted to note, what we've done has complied with our policies

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with regards to time and how we responded so that we are legally compliant moving forward,

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should the council choose to?

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Correct.

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We have.

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So, we did receive their request for the tabulation, the Biversal tabulation, and we were

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ready to to we our evaluation wasn't complete. So we were not ready to issue that

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tabulation until March 12th on Wednesday, like Wednesday afternoon. So and then

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the tabulation results were provided to a so-called company on Friday, early

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Friday, you know, March 13th. Okay. And so from from Friday to today that's we are

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We were good. We were good. We were good enough time.

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In all fairness to the bitter who did protest, I think there was a little bit of confusion about the request that came in initially.

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I think I would suggest that we would provide the doctor.

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The bid documents, maybe a little bit earlier, to allow more time to protest.

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But I think he had adequate time to protest. He did submit it.

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Well worded protests. I don't think he's prejudiced here tonight if we award.

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Okay. He had the opportunity to protest. I don't know that 10 days is going to give him more time to comb through a bid to find more potential errors that he might raise. It was certainly enough time.

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Although short, I will grant that although short, they had time. They submitted a protest on Friday. They followed up even today after a full weekend of having the bid documents and submitted another basis for the protest.

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I think we, again, adequately addressed or the low-bitter adequately addressed, so we think there's been a fair opportunity for a protest.

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It's been validly considered and reviewed.

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And again, I think the Council is well within its right tonight to award the contract as recommended.

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And in our protest processes, it doesn't specify sort of like in court where there's, okay, you have two weeks to reply.

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We have two weeks, it's none of that, correct?

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Correct, I think we had anything in this particular one.

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And we don't really have a set protests process with days, but obviously we'll consider any

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protests whenever it's submitted.

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And we do try to suggest that the protests be done as early as possible in that case.

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In this case, it wasn't really allowed just given the short time.

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But again, I think the protests that has been submitted was a valid protest.

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We accepted it, reviewed it and have addressed, I think, the issues in that protest.

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Council Member Bessinger?

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If we don't award this bid tonight, is there, is there some time issue here?

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Do we need to get this done as quickly as possible or can this be delayed until the next meeting in April?

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I would recommend that we award as soon as possible because we are on a timing constraint.

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And we would need to do this, take recoding in the spring due to possibilities of if we prolong

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it and it goes into the summer time, we may have some issues with our water system at that

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point.

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So we do rather proceed now than at a later time.

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Explain again what they've been on, what exactly is this project?

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This is for our tank for a recoding project.

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It's going to basically recode the interior of our tank.

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And with that, with the project, it will have some structural elements that will need to

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be sam blasted and then further either repaired or modified.

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We also have a halo system that will need to be redone and installed.

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So that's a majority of the work as well that will involve.

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This is the surface water treatment plant tank.

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This is a water reservoir tank project.

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And where is this located?

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This is going to be on toll house.

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So it's staff opinion that if we were to delay this until the first meeting in April,

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we're putting ourselves in a potentially difficult situation getting this done in a timely manner

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and have some problems with our water starch.

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Correct.

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Thank you.

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You're waiting.

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Where are you?

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I was actually just going to make a motion to approve that.

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Oh, come on in.

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Any other questions?

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No, I do have one question.

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The city had the opportunity in previous projects or dealings to work with polytech industrial,

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the low bidder have they done work with the city before?

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not that I'm aware of and what about the protests company so

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calpacific, and not that I'm aware of.

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Linda, do you have any more questions?

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How long is the project take, 60 days, 16 working days?

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Okay, thank you.

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Good day, Matt.

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I would just make a motion to go ahead and prove consent item number 10 and

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approve the bid award for CIP-2515 Reservoir's four tank liner to

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policy and industrial in the amount of 817,000,000,

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and $450,000.

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We had a second,

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just a motion, no second.

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I'll second it for the discussion.

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Any further discussion?

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Will?

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I don't like getting something at 535 Council meeting night

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that I don't quite frankly understand.

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I think it's, I understand staff's position that this is a project that needs to start.

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I would have to wonder why we waited this long.

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I had to be critical.

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But if this was a priority, we should have been dealing with this pretty much earlier than this.

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But I'm just, this is a lot to digest in 30 minutes.

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There's a motion, second on the floor, all those in favor of approving consent item and

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return to see if I'm seeing I, I, any opposed?

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Do you know?

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No.

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So motion fails?

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It's on it.

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Okay.

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Can we?

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Yeah.

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Let's do a roll call.

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Vote on this.

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I think it sounds pretty.

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The reason for the type timeline is because the irrigation canal was shut down and we

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the water and the tank to be there until it restart.

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That's the reason why we have the

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Taiwan know that we're working with.

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And so can we just.

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We just.

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Yeah, because it can get it.

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But okay, so.

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Roll call vote.

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Go ahead.

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Brianna.

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Just call it.

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Okay.

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Council member basketball.

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Council member Ashrek.

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Mayor.

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Yes.

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Mayor.

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Protem.

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No.

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And Council member.

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That's easier.

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No.

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So make a new motion that we, let's see what's the verb here.

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We, what's the verb?

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Accept the appeal of reject the bid?

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Yes.

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But that's what I'm going to do.

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Continue to decide them?

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Yeah.

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If you want to continue.

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I know.

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I guess.

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Until next meeting.

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Next would be the next appropriate thing.

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There's two options.

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One is to reject all of this and have a certain process over.

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the other is to have a come back for additional consideration.

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I'm okay continuing. If we can't wait till April 13th, I know you want to cancel the

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April 6th meeting, but we could do something special if we had to. If that if April

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16th is April 13th is a problem, is it appropriate for us to go?

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I'm just giving you time to respond to that.

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So I'm hearing word that because of the tight timeline, it would be wisest to reject all

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And come back during our next window to do this with the new process because of the length of time

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It would be before they could begin working. So is that it is is that my motion to reject all bids and come back

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That's the request from staff

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All right, and that's always an option as well for the legislative body here the council you can always reject all bids and just re-apportize the project

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So that's within your throughout the world. I'll make a motion that we reject all bids and

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Read the project and if we need to meet center, we can we can do something else. We have three Mondays to go that we could come back

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if we need to do it sooner, wait, I hear the 60-day window,

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but I think we should get it right before we offer the bid.

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So that's my question.

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There's a motion, we're going to take a second.

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Discussion?

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OK, go ahead.

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I'm the reason I'm going to vote no,

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is because the numbers are out there.

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Every people bid on the numbers.

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And then when you re-bid it, people can go, well,

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I could say 15 cents on a yard of pipe here

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and make this $3,000 cheaper, and I just don't think it's fair to the now out.

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Would it have been more comfortable if the winning or the low bidder had been here tonight to just

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choke their face and actually had a conversation?

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But I think when you have sealed beds and the numbers are out there, I think it's unfair to

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the other parties, but that's all right. I'll withdraw that motion.

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Then we just, okay, we want to withdraw you. I just want to say this, I think this is more in response

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to you, Councilmember Bessinger, with regards to consent items.

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consent items are put here because they are routine and there are things in which

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staff has done routine jobs with it.

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I know there is a protest, but even in that protest, staff has done the compliance

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per-art legal, per-art processes, that's why I think because it is consent and now we also

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hear there's a time on very comfortable with it moving forward.

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Now, if it was something which, yeah, our statute says five days and we only took them three, then okay, let's do it.

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But if we are operating current procedures, I think just because it's not consenting because it's, we got it right away.

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Staff did their due diligence. That's why it's on a consent calendar.

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There were some issues that would have put it placed in on a regular hearing.

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So I just wanted to say that.

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if there's a new motion.

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That's not wrong.

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We might not agree with the way it happened,

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so I think it's not wrong what you said.

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Is there a new motion?

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So I'll make a new motion that is we bring,

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what is it?

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What's my third option?

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Bring it back in at the next available meeting

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to reconsider or to give the,

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what are my inputs, the bid?

443
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Well, the motion now.

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If I could, if you'll indulge me.

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So I certainly understand councilman

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best of your point about the bids being out there.

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But frankly, I mean, that's part of the deal.

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If you reject all bids,

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That's allowed by law and perhaps the city gets a better deal out of it because you get more competitive bid.

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So although I certainly understand the concern.

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So if there's not a desire to reject all bids, I guess the only other option is just to continue the item.

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I don't know that staffs recommendations are going to change for weeks from now to the end of the year.

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But it gives the bid that was rejected, it's changed more than a weekend to look at the data I suppose.

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I guess if you think you can come up with other grounds that to demonstrate that we didn't award it correctly, right?

455
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I think that's the request.

456
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Okay, I'll do that.

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I'll make that happen.

458
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Government is so great isn't it beautiful?

459
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I'll make a motion that we continue to side them and allow the rejected bid the time to review more than a weekend.

460
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I guess.

461
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And bring it back to the next available Monday or a special meeting if needed.

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Second motion a second any further discussion. Okay, can we just go ahead and just do a roll call vote Brianna

463
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Yeah, council or basketball

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Council member Ashrock. Yes, mayor monitor.

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No

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Mayor Mayor Pro Tempierce. No

467
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There's no other option

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We can still make a motion of proof, right?

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Can we still do it?

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We want to reconsider, I guess.

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We're still on the items.

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Anything we're going through?

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Can the same motion maker make a motion to reconsider?

474
00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:38,580
Because from what I and I asked to be the same motion maker who made it and voted

475
00:48:38,580 --> 00:48:43,260
technically the reconsideration technically should come from one of the three

476
00:48:43,260 --> 00:48:44,620
voting against it.

477
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,280
But I will say for the record, you have not yet considered a motion to reject all

478
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,380
So emotion was made. I don't think it was seconded and then it just died. It was seconded, but it didn't

479
00:48:54,380 --> 00:48:57,280
It didn't get to go. It pulled it back because it was just roots.

480
00:48:59,340 --> 00:49:02,100
So I guess councilor rest is you can make emotion to approve.

481
00:49:03,620 --> 00:49:04,460
Or you.

482
00:49:08,140 --> 00:49:08,800
Oh, yeah.

483
00:49:08,860 --> 00:49:09,840
Can I do that or is that?

484
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:10,980
That's the recheck.

485
00:49:11,180 --> 00:49:11,440
No, kids.

486
00:49:11,860 --> 00:49:12,780
I'll try that again.

487
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:14,540
Okay. Motion two.

488
00:49:14,820 --> 00:49:16,140
I'll do it.

489
00:49:16,340 --> 00:49:16,360
Second.

490
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:17,420
Motion. Okay.

491
00:49:17,660 --> 00:49:18,320
Motion. Second.

492
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:19,660
Okay.

493
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:20,640
Roll call vote.

494
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,820
Who is the second?

495
00:49:23,380 --> 00:49:25,420
It was mayor protein.

496
00:49:28,060 --> 00:49:30,040
Let me just get my...

497
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,060
This isn't even a hard thing.

498
00:49:31,220 --> 00:49:32,260
This is worrisome.

499
00:49:33,820 --> 00:49:34,060
All right.

500
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:34,940
You need to keep it for me?

501
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:37,580
Council member basketball.

502
00:49:37,660 --> 00:49:38,540
We can say yes.

503
00:49:38,780 --> 00:49:39,400
The same thing.

504
00:49:42,350 --> 00:49:43,250
Council member Ashbeck.

505
00:49:43,650 --> 00:49:43,770
Yes.

506
00:49:44,330 --> 00:49:45,670
Mayor Moana to us.

507
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:47,350
Mayor Pro Tempierce.

508
00:49:48,370 --> 00:49:49,090
Council member basketball.

509
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:50,450
Our passenger.

510
00:49:51,870 --> 00:49:52,130
Yes.

511
00:49:52,910 --> 00:49:53,270
Okay.

512
00:49:54,090 --> 00:49:58,130
So, that motion passes three, two, to reject all bids and re-abortize.

513
00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:59,930
So, staff will take that direction.

514
00:50:00,310 --> 00:50:01,590
Thank you.

515
00:50:02,070 --> 00:50:02,230
All right.

516
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:03,270
Thank you.

517
00:50:08,010 --> 00:50:09,970
Now we'll move to public hearings.

518
00:50:10,270 --> 00:50:11,290
We have item 11.

519
00:50:12,370 --> 00:50:17,250
Resolution, approving the annual review and update to the regional housing means

520
00:50:17,250 --> 00:50:30,550
zoning overlay zone district, including approval of a map of parcels and associated lists reflecting those parcels that qualify for development as a

521
00:50:30,550 --> 00:50:33,250
RHN overlay project.

522
00:50:33,450 --> 00:50:38,810
Melissa Parker is our associate planner. We have George and we got Lily. So the full team almost.

523
00:50:39,590 --> 00:50:47,950
Yes. Good evening Mayor and council members. So like you said, this is our annual update

524
00:50:47,950 --> 00:50:55,270
on our RHN overlay zone district. So we have a map and a list of sites to go over

525
00:50:55,270 --> 00:51:00,850
tonight and this will probably look pretty familiar to you because every March we come

526
00:51:00,850 --> 00:51:07,190
back with a very similar presentation. But I will give you some background on our overlay

527
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:24,510
district first. So the RHN overly district was established back in November of 2018 as a tool for the city to help meet our regional housing needs allocation requirements. And it is included today in our six cycle housing element.

528
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:36,270
The purpose of the overlay district is to allow multi-family housing at 35 to 43 units per acre as a by-right use.

529
00:51:37,410 --> 00:51:47,430
And there are certain eligibility requirements that a parcel needs to meet in order to be included on the map and on the list.

530
00:51:47,810 --> 00:51:52,970
So these eligibility requirements are that they can be no larger than 10 acres in size.

531
00:51:52,970 --> 00:51:57,770
and they have to be undeveloped or underdeveloped.

532
00:51:58,010 --> 00:52:02,790
The map and list are adopted and reviewed annually by the Council,

533
00:52:02,970 --> 00:52:04,630
which is what we are here doing tonight.

534
00:52:05,470 --> 00:52:08,870
And just because a parcel is on that list,

535
00:52:09,110 --> 00:52:12,410
does it mean it has to develop at the overlay density?

536
00:52:12,610 --> 00:52:14,910
It can still develop at a different density.

537
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:19,130
But if that is the case, and it's no longer eligible,

538
00:52:19,130 --> 00:52:25,030
the site can be removed from the map by our director of planning and development services.

539
00:52:26,830 --> 00:52:35,590
We are required to hold a public meeting and we posted a notice in the paper on February 20th.

540
00:52:35,710 --> 00:52:44,010
We received no comments from that and we also held a public meeting here in the council chambers on March 3rd and we had no attendees.

541
00:52:45,110 --> 00:52:52,610
which leads us to our map. So this is actually the map from last year, from 2025. So we went into

542
00:52:52,610 --> 00:53:02,130
2026 with 24 eligible sites and staff reviewed the list and we have determined that site

543
00:53:02,130 --> 00:53:08,410
24 is kind of hard, but it's over here, kind of hard to see, but it's circled in red.

544
00:53:08,410 --> 00:53:16,050
site 24 has been subdivided for single-family residential. Therefore, it is no longer eligible

545
00:53:16,050 --> 00:53:23,790
to be on the map, so we have removed it, which leaves us with a total of 23 remaining sites.

546
00:53:25,550 --> 00:53:31,750
We also have 12 sites that are included in our six cycle housing element sites inventory,

547
00:53:32,650 --> 00:53:37,730
and these are on the screen, along with their total size and their realistic units.

548
00:53:37,730 --> 00:53:41,150
that they could be developed at.

549
00:53:41,730 --> 00:53:48,970
And with that, I have on the screen our 2026 map and staff is recommending that the council

550
00:53:48,970 --> 00:53:54,730
adopt this map and approve our annual review and update to the list of sites.

551
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:57,890
Thank you and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

552
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:58,810
Any questions?

553
00:53:59,990 --> 00:54:06,070
Can you remind me does the removal of a parcel require an addition of a parcel somewhere else to make up?

554
00:54:06,070 --> 00:54:14,010
it is not for this for this overly district okay any other questions so what's

555
00:54:14,010 --> 00:54:17,630
cycle we in right now we're in the sixth cycle we're still in the sixth

556
00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:27,650
cycle yes in 2023 to 2031 okay thank you this time we'll go in open the

557
00:54:27,650 --> 00:54:32,050
public portion if you'd like to comment on this item you may do so at this time

558
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:42,300
if

559
00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:44,360
to speak your name and give you address for the record.

560
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,160
Hello, Des Martinez.

561
00:54:48,180 --> 00:54:50,120
I'm going to speak on item number 11.

562
00:54:51,180 --> 00:54:52,440
According to the staff report,

563
00:54:52,980 --> 00:54:55,040
the city has identified site 24,

564
00:54:55,240 --> 00:54:59,360
a 4.86 acre property for removal

565
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,040
from the Rina Overlay district

566
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,660
because it now has an alternative use

567
00:55:04,660 --> 00:55:06,840
that is not eligible for inclusion

568
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,800
on the RHN overlay map.

569
00:55:09,220 --> 00:55:11,220
The report also states that the staff

570
00:55:11,220 --> 00:55:14,940
has not identified any new sites to add to the overly district.

571
00:55:15,340 --> 00:55:21,220
Given that the city council originally created the RHN overly district to address the affordable

572
00:55:21,220 --> 00:55:27,940
housing shortfall of 4,299 units from the city's fourth cycle of RHN allocation,

573
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:33,620
can the council explain why the city is removing the initial housing site without identifying

574
00:55:33,620 --> 00:55:41,460
a replacement and will the city commit to working collaboratively with community members

575
00:55:41,460 --> 00:55:47,500
and affordable housing developers to identify new sites, particularly ones that replace

576
00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:53,880
site 24 to ensure that the city continues making progress towards meetings, it's affordable

577
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,220
housing obligations.

578
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:58,900
Thank you, guys.

579
00:56:01,450 --> 00:56:02,410
Anyone else like to comment?

580
00:56:02,970 --> 00:56:03,150
I'm sorry.

581
00:56:04,590 --> 00:56:07,790
Okay, seeing that we're going to go ahead and close the public portion in the comments

582
00:56:07,790 --> 00:56:10,350
for questions for the staff.

583
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:16,580
We entertain a motion.

584
00:56:17,260 --> 00:56:22,460
We approve the annual review and update to the urgent overlay zone district as presented.

585
00:56:23,540 --> 00:56:23,700
Second.

586
00:56:24,700 --> 00:56:25,140
We have motion.

587
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:26,460
We're going for all those in favor.

588
00:56:26,620 --> 00:56:27,600
If I was saying aye.

589
00:56:27,700 --> 00:56:28,180
Aye.

590
00:56:28,300 --> 00:56:28,940
Any opposed?

591
00:56:29,260 --> 00:56:30,120
Motion carries.

592
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,260
Now to item 12.

593
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:34,740
It is the consider resolution.

594
00:56:34,740 --> 00:56:40,760
accepting an authorizing submission of the 2025 General Plan Annual Progress Report, including

595
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:46,320
the 2025 Housing Element Annual Progress Report APR, to the Governor's Office of Land

596
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:52,160
Use and Climate Innovation and the California Department of Housing and Community Development

597
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:59,000
staff on this again is the same three Musketeer, Marissa, George and Lily. Go ahead.

598
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:07,120
Yes. So similarly to our last item, this is another regularly annually occurring item.

599
00:57:07,340 --> 00:57:14,480
So this will also probably seem a little bit familiar to you in format. But this is our annual

600
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:21,800
progress report on our general plan. So the city is required to submit, like you said,

601
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:27,760
by April 1 of each year to the governor's office of land use and climate innovation,

602
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,960
which used to be known as the Governor's Office of Planning and Research.

603
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,260
And this year is all about the year 2025.

604
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:40,900
So we will also be touching on the housing element

605
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:45,700
and our annual progress on that, which is a key component of our general plan.

606
00:57:47,420 --> 00:57:51,400
The APR is broken down into eight different sections.

607
00:57:51,780 --> 00:57:54,200
The first being introduction and purpose.

608
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,860
are implementation summary, general plan background,

609
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,780
our amendment application that we've received,

610
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,480
housing element and general plan update,

611
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,660
the major projects that we have in the queue,

612
00:58:07,380 --> 00:58:08,900
our housing development update,

613
00:58:09,140 --> 00:58:14,380
and then also our appendix A, which is the actual progress report.

614
00:58:15,940 --> 00:58:20,660
On the screen, you will see 12 different general plan

615
00:58:20,660 --> 00:58:25,500
amendment applications that staff are currently working on.

616
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:33,400
Four of these, the first four on the list we received prior to 2025, but we have continued

617
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,680
to work on them and the other eight we received in 2025.

618
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:44,490
As you'll see on the table, none of these have yet gone before the Planning Commission or

619
00:58:44,490 --> 00:58:52,670
City Council for consideration, but we expect that by the end of 2026 or mid 27, these will

620
00:58:52,670 --> 00:58:53,550
all be completed.

621
00:58:56,750 --> 00:59:01,910
So switching gears a little bit into our housing element portion, which

622
00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:10,470
is a key portion. We have made quite a bit of progress in our housing element programs that

623
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:17,710
we have through the sixth cycle housing element and a lot of that information is derived from

624
00:59:17,710 --> 00:59:24,810
our building permit activities and also our development entitlement activities in 2025.

625
00:59:25,890 --> 00:59:32,950
And this APR not only gets submitted to the land use and climate innovation office but also

626
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:37,670
California Department of Housing and Community Development or HCB.

627
00:59:40,430 --> 00:59:41,570
So this table we're going to

628
00:59:41,570 --> 00:59:50,050
a little bit of time on it is all about our rena progress. There are a lot of columns and rows,

629
00:59:51,250 --> 00:59:59,390
but basically this table is all about our permitting process and it is broken down by income level.

630
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:16,000
Reena allocation by income level and then the different years that are within the six cycle, total units to date and total remaining rena by income level.

631
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:26,240
So, if we went over here to the income levels, I did want to point out that acutely low is a new income level,

632
01:00:26,740 --> 01:00:36,480
this year from HCD, which means it is less than 15% of the Fresno County area median income,

633
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:44,200
which for Fresno County is $93,900 and working down the list.

634
01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:51,920
The extremely low level is 16 to 30% of the Fresno County AMI.

635
01:00:51,920 --> 01:01:06,040
Very low is 31 to 50% low is 51 to 80 and moderate is 81 to 120%

636
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:10,920
and above moderate is over 121%.

637
01:01:12,650 --> 01:01:17,530
So our six cycle housing element allocated us

638
01:01:17,530 --> 01:01:25,470
2,926 units that we are required to permit for our very low district

639
01:01:25,470 --> 01:01:34,630
or very low income level throughout the years and 1,549 units in the low category

640
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:43,550
1,448 in moderate and 3,353,054 in above moderate.

641
01:01:44,370 --> 01:01:50,670
So in the very first projection period, once the six cycle has started,

642
01:01:51,470 --> 01:01:54,850
we was just from June to December of 2023,

643
01:01:56,010 --> 01:02:00,990
and we permitted eight very low units, three low units,

644
01:02:00,990 --> 01:02:07,710
and 180 above moderate units, which is a grand total of 1951.

645
01:02:08,190 --> 01:02:17,530
So that, there we go, that also encompasses our 23 category, which is why this is blink.

646
01:02:18,850 --> 01:02:29,950
But moving on to 2024, we issued 13 very low units, 13 low units, 16 moderate and

647
01:02:29,950 --> 01:02:33,830
and $612 above moderate for a grand total of $654.

648
01:02:34,990 --> 01:02:36,950
And then this past year in 2025,

649
01:02:37,630 --> 01:02:40,430
we issued 33 moderate permits,

650
01:02:41,290 --> 01:02:42,690
$564 above moderate,

651
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:49,410
and, yes, sorry, I can't see.

652
01:02:50,510 --> 01:02:53,690
$597 total units for $205.

653
01:02:54,250 --> 01:02:56,210
And then over on the right hand side,

654
01:02:56,470 --> 01:03:00,230
we have our total units that we have issued permits

655
01:03:00,230 --> 01:03:11,910
for 21, very low, 16 low, 49 moderate, and 1,356 above moderate, which is a total of

656
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:30,210
1442, and then in green on the far right is our total remaining rena, which is about

657
01:03:30,210 --> 01:03:33,010
total of 7,500 and 35.

658
01:03:37,220 --> 01:03:43,960
And another key part of our housing element is the programs. So we have

659
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:54,640
three different goals, 25 policies and 29 implementation programs. The first goal is to accelerate

660
01:03:54,640 --> 01:04:01,420
housing production. The second is to preserve and improve the existing housing stock and the third

661
01:04:01,420 --> 01:04:03,760
is too affirmatively for their fair housing.

662
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,880
So the first goal to accelerate housing production

663
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,080
includes 12 different programs.

664
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,000
I am not going to touch on all of them,

665
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,800
but I do have some updates for a few of them.

666
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:19,500
The first one being program number two,

667
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,180
which is our no-net loss procedures.

668
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,280
So staff has developed and implemented a tracking system

669
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:28,700
for our rena inventory

670
01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:36,100
and also our rena responsibilities. So we will be proceeding with this on an ongoing basis

671
01:04:36,100 --> 01:04:43,540
to ensure we are up to date with all of our rena numbers. Also program number 11, which is

672
01:04:43,540 --> 01:04:50,160
the infill resone program that is wrapping up. We are tentatively targeting planning commission

673
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:57,580
in the next month or two and then the council will consider it shortly thereafter. And also program 12,

674
01:04:57,580 --> 01:05:04,660
which is the mixed income zoning ordinance that program development has been completed and approved by the

675
01:05:04,660 --> 01:05:11,480
planning commission back in February. So that will be coming to the council in the next few months.

676
01:05:14,170 --> 01:05:19,270
Our second goal of the housing element is to preserve and improve the existing housing stock.

677
01:05:19,930 --> 01:05:26,270
And this provides six different programs and I'm going to touch on two of them. So the first one is

678
01:05:26,270 --> 01:05:33,270
preserve at risk affordable housing. And so our housing staff has been working directly with

679
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:40,890
different governmental agencies to review any of our affordable housing developments that may be

680
01:05:40,890 --> 01:05:48,230
at risk of becoming market rate in 2025 and none of them were at risk, but as we get further on

681
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:55,530
in the sixth cycle, that could be a possibility. So that is an ongoing process. And then the next

682
01:05:55,530 --> 01:06:03,330
when I want to touch on is number 16 which is our housing rehabilitation so in 2025

683
01:06:03,330 --> 01:06:09,690
the city received one and a half million dollars in Cal program funds and in the

684
01:06:09,690 --> 01:06:17,210
2024 25 fiscal year the city helped seven homeowners repair their homes with that many

685
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:25,410
and lastly program or goal H3 which is affirmatively further fair housing

686
01:06:25,410 --> 01:06:32,070
includes 11 programs and I'm going to touch on three of them. Program 20 is our housing

687
01:06:32,070 --> 01:06:38,910
choice vouchers and our city staff is planning to host a workshop for landlords to promote

688
01:06:38,910 --> 01:06:48,590
the use of the housing choice vouchers in 2026. Program 21 is the analysis of impediments to

689
01:06:48,590 --> 01:06:57,690
housing. So again the housing stuff is working on a plan and analysis which targets being

690
01:06:57,690 --> 01:07:05,090
completed sometime in 2026. And then lastly a program number 24 which is our home buyer assistance

691
01:07:05,090 --> 01:07:15,130
program. And the city does administer this program funded by $415,600 in Cal Home program funds.

692
01:07:15,130 --> 01:07:23,170
And these funds are specifically set aside for the purchase of mobile homes by low-income residents.

693
01:07:24,550 --> 01:07:35,230
In 2025, there were several applications, but no one qualified for one of these funds by being over the income limits.

694
01:07:36,350 --> 01:07:44,910
So, with that, staff is recommending that the Council accept and authorize the 2025 General

695
01:07:44,910 --> 01:07:52,770
Plan APR to submit to the Governor's Office of Land Use and Climate Innovation and the

696
01:07:52,770 --> 01:07:53,190
HCD.

697
01:07:53,690 --> 01:07:55,470
Thank you, and I'm happy to answer any questions.

698
01:07:55,790 --> 01:07:56,750
I have any questions of staff.

699
01:07:57,210 --> 01:07:57,430
Good.

700
01:07:57,850 --> 01:07:58,390
Just one.

701
01:07:58,390 --> 01:08:06,430
Does do Section 8 vouchers count toward affordability, affordable housing in the community?

702
01:08:08,030 --> 01:08:14,390
More Section 8 vouchers work, released or administered. Does that count toward our...

703
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:15,890
I've been asked to answer. I've been asked to answer.

704
01:08:16,750 --> 01:08:19,130
I've been asked that for six years.

705
01:08:19,590 --> 01:08:21,630
You have. I do recall seven years now.

706
01:08:21,630 --> 01:08:23,930
Seven years now. Okay. I forgot to answer six times.

707
01:08:23,930 --> 01:08:26,050
So unfortunately they do not.

708
01:08:26,310 --> 01:08:28,390
This is intended for new development.

709
01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:34,280
And that restriction on how you can count them

710
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:35,300
as a state law.

711
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:36,600
This is correct.

712
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,220
It's directly from HCD.

713
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:41,760
It's intended for new developments.

714
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:47,760
We're projecting units that were needed for this eight-year cycle.

715
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,660
And the city's responsibility is to ensure

716
01:08:50,660 --> 01:08:55,340
that we have lands available designated with the correct

717
01:08:55,340 --> 01:08:57,640
to accommodate these types of development.

718
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,300
So going backwards, you know, with existing units,

719
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,520
no, but there is new legislation,

720
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:10,020
recent legislation that may allow us to,

721
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:14,320
if there are existing units that are converted

722
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:18,280
to not such a need, but deed-restricted units,

723
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,360
that we may potential be able to count those units

724
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:26,460
for up to 25% of our total responsibility when it comes to Rita?

725
01:09:28,220 --> 01:09:29,700
We should probably watch that.

726
01:09:30,220 --> 01:09:33,620
I would be curious to know, are there more section eight housing

727
01:09:33,620 --> 01:09:36,720
vouchers today than there were three years ago or five years ago?

728
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,340
Do we have any way to track that?

729
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,760
Honestly, in PDS, we don't, we don't.

730
01:09:41,780 --> 01:09:45,800
I don't know if housing or Claudia's group does that.

731
01:09:55,230 --> 01:09:57,710
It just seems to me, I mean, if it requires a legislative fix,

732
01:09:57,710 --> 01:10:04,670
So it seems to me if people are accessing section eight housing vouchers more, allowing them

733
01:10:04,670 --> 01:10:10,990
to afford a close apartment rents or housing rents, does that not accomplish your goal

734
01:10:10,990 --> 01:10:13,890
of getting suitable housing for low-income families?

735
01:10:14,350 --> 01:10:18,470
So I do think that's worth tracking a little more closely, and if it's a legislative fix or

736
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:23,250
I'm not quite sure, but it's a question, probably that time has come, maybe we need to

737
01:10:23,250 --> 01:10:25,010
be more active in that space.

738
01:10:25,950 --> 01:10:26,190
Thanks.

739
01:10:26,190 --> 01:10:28,150
because it's still not to get credit for it.

740
01:10:28,370 --> 01:10:29,910
I mean, thanks.

741
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:35,750
And every year I've said, if I put my home as a section eight,

742
01:10:35,850 --> 01:10:39,430
that is a new unit for someone that is affordable.

743
01:10:40,090 --> 01:10:41,930
And yet the state doesn't look at that at all.

744
01:10:42,130 --> 01:10:47,130
Or if I allow my adult child to move in with me,

745
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:50,290
that should be also one family off of,

746
01:10:50,490 --> 01:10:54,050
and I let her live below whatever the rental market is,

747
01:10:54,050 --> 01:11:02,070
That should also count, but yet the state only wants new homes, and yet they give us no money to build it and they put all these restrictions on it.

748
01:11:02,350 --> 01:11:10,390
And so Claudia, I think we need to be the first to go to the housing authority and go give us our numbers.

749
01:11:11,070 --> 01:11:15,930
We're going to start tracking these. How many more new section eight this next year in the city of Clovis?

750
01:11:16,270 --> 01:11:23,470
Because there are good families here with good homes who are willing to have a section eight family live in their home.

751
01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:31,990
and go, okay, that's my rental property, but for us not to reward the goodness of our citizens who do that,

752
01:11:32,170 --> 01:11:36,970
to reward the family who gets to live in our city, and be accounted for, I think it's just nonsense,

753
01:11:37,630 --> 01:11:43,430
and Lynne, I'm glad you agreed with this, and that we need to start to count these and go to this

754
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:49,770
fading, go, yeah, we can't build it, no one's going to build it, but we can allow affordable units here,

755
01:11:49,770 --> 01:11:56,570
we are allowing affordable units here and if we can start tracking all that, I think it will

756
01:11:56,570 --> 01:12:04,050
start to hopefully bring that drum louder and have our legislators we think this, what

757
01:12:04,050 --> 01:12:06,350
affordable affordability really means.

758
01:12:06,710 --> 01:12:12,310
I heard the story I heard recently was the value and Ms. Martinez probably can correct me,

759
01:12:12,490 --> 01:12:17,870
but that the value of the section housing has gone up and is allowing families to relocate

760
01:12:17,870 --> 01:12:22,170
to Clovis, new apartment complexes, great, that is great.

761
01:12:22,830 --> 01:12:25,650
But if we can't count that as an affordable house

762
01:12:25,650 --> 01:12:29,390
for a family to move to Clovis if that's what they choose,

763
01:12:30,690 --> 01:12:33,230
that does, is it new home construction,

764
01:12:33,570 --> 01:12:36,170
or is the goal affordable roof over your head?

765
01:12:36,270 --> 01:12:37,590
Like, there's a difference.

766
01:12:37,890 --> 01:12:38,870
So I agree with Vlog.

767
01:12:38,890 --> 01:12:40,690
I think we need to be a little more aggressive on that.

768
01:12:40,690 --> 01:12:42,390
And if the legislation needs some adjusting

769
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:44,970
or some advocacy, I think it's a story worth telling,

770
01:12:45,370 --> 01:12:47,570
because we don't get credit for any of that work.

771
01:12:47,570 --> 01:12:53,990
and it happens every day, and if that's true on the Section 8 vouchers, I guess to Ms. Martinez

772
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:57,590
early comment, where we didn't answer your question, you look like white insurance for

773
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:58,090
my question.

774
01:12:58,350 --> 01:12:59,370
I do think we're collaborative.

775
01:12:59,510 --> 01:13:00,610
I do think we're working hard.

776
01:13:00,810 --> 01:13:04,950
I do think this programs are going to get us to where we need to be to the arena, and so

777
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:06,210
we're committed to that.

778
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:09,890
It's just some of these barriers are like to me, they seem silly that you can't count

779
01:13:09,890 --> 01:13:10,270
for that.

780
01:13:10,610 --> 01:13:14,650
So, if we could maybe keep an eye on that or maybe get a report back from housing authority

781
01:13:14,650 --> 01:13:16,850
or others, if we need to work on that, I think it's important.

782
01:13:16,850 --> 01:13:23,750
There is one situation when housing choice factors are coming and that's what's called a project based housing choice voucher

783
01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:30,990
So a new project can come to close this sponsored by a nonprofit developer and get a commitment of housing choice vouchers

784
01:13:30,990 --> 01:13:37,130
And we get to count those units, so there is a model that we can put out there that may be on the expanse of

785
01:13:37,810 --> 01:13:39,650
Is that new homes?

786
01:13:40,050 --> 01:13:43,490
Andy that is a new construction. Yeah, see the store maybe potentially rehabilitation

787
01:13:44,190 --> 01:13:46,030
But I'll get to it and then we'll start to agree.

788
01:13:46,910 --> 01:13:47,710
Thank you.

789
01:13:47,710 --> 01:13:48,430
Thank you.

790
01:13:48,710 --> 01:13:50,270
Any other questions for our staff?

791
01:13:50,770 --> 01:13:53,050
At this time, we'll go ahead and open up the public portion.

792
01:13:53,410 --> 01:13:55,170
If you have any comments, please.

793
01:13:55,530 --> 01:13:57,390
You can address the council this time.

794
01:13:57,970 --> 01:13:58,670
Yes, Ms. Martinez.

795
01:14:00,030 --> 01:14:01,410
Y'all, Tim, was quiet, man.

796
01:14:01,450 --> 01:14:03,130
You know, but you want to ever speak, huh?

797
01:14:05,230 --> 01:14:09,370
In response to you, Lynn, we're only here because

798
01:14:09,370 --> 01:14:12,470
this club is prevented the units.

799
01:14:14,710 --> 01:14:20,170
So we're now three years into the current housing planning period, yet according to the information

800
01:14:20,170 --> 01:14:26,330
provided, the city has not permitted or entitled any multi-family housing projects, meaning

801
01:14:26,330 --> 01:14:29,090
developments of two units or more.

802
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:34,910
At the same time, the city has permitted and entitled several hundred single-family homes under

803
01:14:34,910 --> 01:14:38,990
The city's 2023-231 regional housing needs allocation.

804
01:14:39,450 --> 01:14:48,170
Clovis has an obligation to plan for 2,926 very low income units and 549 low income units.

805
01:14:48,590 --> 01:14:54,430
Those numbers represent thousands of families, seniors, and workers who are struggling

806
01:14:54,430 --> 01:14:57,050
to find housing that they can actually afford.

807
01:14:57,050 --> 01:14:59,970
For my own experience working closely with individuals.

808
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:11,240
Rules and families living paycheck to paycheck or who have already followed into homelessness. I can tell you that the need for housing at these income levels is very urgent and very real.

809
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:27,480
So my question to you is, why has the city been able to approve hundreds of single-family homes during this period yet no multi-family housing projects that would help meet the very low and low-income RHA requirements?

810
01:15:27,480 --> 01:15:33,300
what specific actions will the city take in the coming year to begin permitting and

811
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:38,820
entitling multi-family affordable housing projects that meet the very low and low-income

812
01:15:38,820 --> 01:15:45,880
categories of the city's RH and A obligations. Because meeting the RH and A goals requires

813
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:51,720
planning for housing at all income levels, not just market rate and single families.

814
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:56,160
Also, according to the report, the city indicates that the mixed income zoning

815
01:15:56,160 --> 01:16:02,560
ordinance or miso would be adopted in early 2026. However, the city previously committed to

816
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:09,860
adopting this ordinance in February 28th, 2025. As a part of the housing element implementation,

817
01:16:10,660 --> 01:16:16,700
the planning commission has now approved a miso as of February 24, 2026. So I would strongly

818
01:16:16,700 --> 01:16:23,460
encourage the city council to move quickly to adopt this ordinance as soon as possible, especially

819
01:16:23,460 --> 01:16:29,540
since we are already nearing the end of the first quarter of 2026. Also, I want to

820
01:16:29,540 --> 01:16:35,260
highlight that we are now already brought that part up. So yeah, that's about what

821
01:16:35,260 --> 01:16:39,820
I have so far and also in addition to building new affordable housing, it's

822
01:16:39,820 --> 01:16:44,440
important to protect affordable housing that is that risk. I think I read in

823
01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:49,160
your report that you guys currently have about three complexes here over a

824
01:16:49,160 --> 01:17:04,080
housing units come in together that are at risk so that would actually lower the affordable housing units so I'm concerned about that also and if you can give us an update on the at risk affordable housing complexes that you do have here in close California.

825
01:17:04,700 --> 01:17:05,540
Thank you.

826
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:06,360
Thank you.

827
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:13,500
No, that must not part of the numbers reported but any comments on regarding the current numbers and all.

828
01:17:13,500 --> 01:17:16,840
Andy, those sort of maybe the deed restricted one's on.

829
01:17:17,220 --> 01:17:21,360
Yeah, so those are focused on projects that have had public investment in the past

830
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,140
or deed restricted and they have time frames where they expire.

831
01:17:24,900 --> 01:17:28,400
We actively pursue talking to the owners in the financing structures to try and continue

832
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,760
those or look at other financing methods that they can continue that.

833
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,800
In the end, it is that property owners decision on to continue that financing.

834
01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:40,020
But we encourage it and try to bring partners to the table to make a happen.

835
01:17:41,380 --> 01:17:44,660
And when I was here to speak on this item, good Mr. Trevina.

836
01:17:49,380 --> 01:17:50,720
I'm very pleased to be in the out of unborder.

837
01:17:52,460 --> 01:17:55,380
Where I live, we have two houses.

838
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,140
And one of them, it was built in, I don't know,

839
01:18:00,220 --> 01:18:02,940
even when it was built, it was built before I was even born.

840
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:08,320
And for what I understand, to have two houses on the lots,

841
01:18:08,780 --> 01:18:12,060
you have to have the city wouldn't even allow it during that time.

842
01:18:12,060 --> 01:18:19,260
And nowadays, I see people, they're building where I live in the alleys, they're building colleges.

843
01:18:20,700 --> 01:18:23,280
And usually the people that are building these are people who have money.

844
01:18:23,940 --> 01:18:27,240
And they're running them out for $15 to $2,000 a month.

845
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:28,400
They're living in an alley.

846
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,540
And to me, I see that's being crazy.

847
01:18:33,100 --> 01:18:34,800
I mean, who's going to pay that kind of money?

848
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,440
But I don't know if they're on any kind of assistant or anything like that.

849
01:18:38,440 --> 01:18:46,620
But I can see the problem the city has is housing, my wife, for example, she has got

850
01:18:46,620 --> 01:18:47,360
Social Security.

851
01:18:47,940 --> 01:18:49,740
She's getting at the $800 a month.

852
01:18:50,020 --> 01:18:50,920
Well, we're married, okay.

853
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:54,300
So it doesn't really matter, but let's say she was single on her own.

854
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:56,440
Where would she live?

855
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,780
You know, $800 a month?

856
01:18:59,380 --> 01:19:01,620
You know, even at $2,000 a month.

857
01:19:01,900 --> 01:19:08,420
You know, these apartments over here in Minuawa, they're going for $1,000 a month.

858
01:19:09,300 --> 01:19:16,880
And even if you get HUD, even if you get housing, they might pay half to rent, but if

859
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:21,460
you're paying a thousand dollars a month and you're making, you know, let's say $2,000

860
01:19:21,460 --> 01:19:29,220
or $15,000 a month, you're still, you're still not making it, and recently I read, you know,

861
01:19:29,260 --> 01:19:33,260
the Wall Street Journal, you know, there are only people that have houses anymore, California,

862
01:19:33,260 --> 01:19:38,880
our people in Herodine these thousands, and not what happened to me. Many of the people

863
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:45,580
where I live, we didn't buy those thousands. We inherited them. Otherwise we wouldn't be living,

864
01:19:45,580 --> 01:19:53,140
I wouldn't be living here in a province. I can't afford to buy a house in Clovis, you know. And a lot

865
01:19:53,140 --> 01:19:58,960
of people, they can't, you know, the, our times are that, you know, even if you're making 20

866
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:06,780
books an hour, you can't afford to buy a house, and you can barely pay rent, and have

867
01:20:06,780 --> 01:20:09,280
these other expenses, you know.

868
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:15,420
So I mean I don't know everything that's going on, but we need to make it easier for people

869
01:20:15,420 --> 01:20:22,380
would we have a house to build onto it, you know, and without breaking the laws or to ease

870
01:20:23,780 --> 01:20:28,900
these requirements where if you have a lot you can build apartments, you know, and I know

871
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:38,200
the city problems, but easy, easy, not on this, but you know, I heard the young lady

872
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:43,220
said something a while ago about we put it in the newspaper, I don't know what newspaper to

873
01:20:43,220 --> 01:20:47,400
was talking about, but I talked to a lot of people in my neighborhood and they're unaware

874
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:54,180
of the college program, you know, and we almost need someone to go door to door and tell them

875
01:20:54,180 --> 01:20:59,000
are you aware of these things that weren't on the town? Because, you know, a lot of these

876
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:08,320
flyers that the city sends out, you know, they end up in the garbage, you know, and so I think

877
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:15,980
that the city promised, I don't know, we need to get the word out more, you know, and because,

878
01:21:16,300 --> 01:21:23,220
you know, a lot of people don't read the news, you know, they watch Netflix and Amazon Prime,

879
01:21:23,220 --> 01:21:28,500
And that's all. I was talking to my steps on the other day. I go, are you aware you're about to war, right?

880
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:34,720
I don't know anything about it. We watch Netflix at the house, and that's all we watch.

881
01:21:35,420 --> 01:21:41,280
So a lot of people just aren't aware of what is going on anymore. So anyways, thank you.

882
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,800
Thank you, Mr. Treeno. Anyone else?

883
01:21:44,420 --> 01:21:46,120
Just the council? Okay.

884
01:21:47,220 --> 01:21:48,800
All right. We're going to close the public portion.

885
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,220
And I just wanted to say that the city does not build any affordable homes.

886
01:21:52,220 --> 01:21:53,800
that's we don't have any funds for that.

887
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:57,500
And this, this council has not rejected any application

888
01:21:57,500 --> 01:22:02,300
that has come to this council for any affordable home.

889
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:06,180
So just if it comes, the council is ready to support

890
01:22:06,180 --> 01:22:08,560
an investor who would like to do that.

891
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,500
And so I just wanted to say that.

892
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:15,080
And we have not stopped and we researched many, many,

893
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:19,700
and we are probably the most forward in the programs

894
01:22:19,700 --> 01:22:25,500
in this region in the Miso, all that and so we are probably the most forward in the central valley

895
01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:32,400
with regards to making Clovis affordable and allowing affordable units to come to this town.

896
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,440
So, but we're just ready for it. Any other comments or questions? Go ahead, Dan.

897
01:22:35,500 --> 01:22:41,700
Yeah, I just wanted to kind of echo what you said there and that is the whole exercise that we do here

898
01:22:41,700 --> 01:22:49,260
is for planning purposes. We make sure that we have areas in our sphere and in our city limits

899
01:22:49,260 --> 01:22:55,900
that are zoned to allow for someone who wants to come and offer a development of that density

900
01:22:55,900 --> 01:23:00,620
and that type and the reason that isn't happening is because no one's coming forward to build

901
01:23:00,620 --> 01:23:07,020
those projects and yet we do have people who are coming forward to build single family homes and

902
01:23:07,020 --> 01:23:13,360
per our allocations that is what we permit and those developments actually happen so it has nothing

903
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:18,980
to do with the city itself as far as the developments that come forward we can't make a

904
01:23:18,980 --> 01:23:25,640
developer do something that doesn't pencil out, and I also think that in terms of the affordability

905
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:30,340
thing, probably every year when this comes forward, I make a comment similar to this,

906
01:23:30,700 --> 01:23:34,320
but I think the real frustration that people have is so many of these programs that come

907
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:40,160
down from this state. They're the ones that are causing the affordability crisis for the working

908
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:46,500
class, for the middle class. People who are wealthy and have the ability, these things aren't

909
01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:49,420
going to impact them, they'll be able to afford their million dollar homes.

910
01:23:49,820 --> 01:23:54,640
The people who are going to receive the subsidies and the vouchers or whatever that might

911
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:56,460
be, they're going to have that assistance.

912
01:23:57,020 --> 01:24:01,420
It's all the people working in the middle that are going to get pinched out and are going

913
01:24:01,420 --> 01:24:07,080
to have those costs go up and go up and go up because of these regulations and these programs

914
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:08,260
that come down from the state.

915
01:24:08,780 --> 01:24:13,120
So they're exacerbating their own problem and they think we should come around and fix it for

916
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:17,200
but that's not realistic, and that's not what the people want us to be doing.

917
01:24:17,480 --> 01:24:22,180
It would be nice if they recognize that and started addressing a problem from Sacramento,

918
01:24:22,740 --> 01:24:26,100
rather than continuing to ask us to do things that we have no money to do.

919
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:33,240
Thank you. I think this has a motion to approve. Yes,

920
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:38,280
so.

921
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:44,440
I think it's important to know for the record that we are committed to implementing our

922
01:24:44,440 --> 01:24:52,280
housing element. Staff here, here today, have been dedicated to ensuring that we're tracking

923
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:59,160
all of our goals and policies with our housing element. I think it's important to make it

924
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:04,040
distinction as to, there's a difference between the regional housing needs allocations that

925
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:06,520
is in no housing elements and we know overlay.

926
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:07,880
There are two different programs.

927
01:25:08,500 --> 01:25:12,180
So the overlay, even though we have that program to promote

928
01:25:12,180 --> 01:25:16,820
and encourage more multi-family, if it's built something

929
01:25:16,820 --> 01:25:20,760
other than that, we're not required to replace those units

930
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,920
for the overlay, which is different again from the housing

931
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:24,180
element.

932
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:28,100
So again, I just want to say, we're watching it and tracking it

933
01:25:28,980 --> 01:25:32,980
closely and ensure that we're in compliance with it.

934
01:25:32,980 --> 01:25:39,860
You guys have done an excellent job of sharing that message to those who come forward.

935
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:41,500
So thank you very much.

936
01:25:42,180 --> 01:25:43,580
Mr. Pleasure to cancel.

937
01:25:43,980 --> 01:25:45,460
We're going to approve this.

938
01:25:45,980 --> 01:25:52,140
I'll make a motion that we accept and authorize this submission of the 2025 General Plan Annual Progress Report,

939
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:56,920
including the 2025 Housing Development to the Governor's Office as noted on the staff report.

940
01:25:57,480 --> 01:25:58,540
Second. Second.

941
01:25:58,540 --> 01:25:59,560
Motion second on the floor.

942
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,580
All those in favor, so if I was saying aye, aye, any opposed?

943
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:04,800
Motion carries five o'clock.

944
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,120
We'll now move to item 14.

945
01:26:07,740 --> 01:26:10,520
Okay, we'll hear 13 after this.

946
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:16,120
So item 14 is acknowledging the upcoming expiration

947
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:20,520
of measure C and 2027 recognizing the city's benefit

948
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,160
for measure C funds since 1986,

949
01:26:23,620 --> 01:26:26,160
and expressing support for citizen bed,

950
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:28,920
transportation fund measure for Fresno County.

951
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:33,720
And stamp on this would be Paul Armandiris, or Assistant City Manager for the fall.

952
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:35,100
Yes, good evening.

953
01:26:35,380 --> 01:26:36,540
Mayor members of the council.

954
01:26:37,380 --> 01:26:43,260
Starting with the brief history of measure C. So measure C is a half cent sales tax in Fresno County.

955
01:26:43,660 --> 01:26:48,140
It was originally passed by our voters in 1986 renewed in 2006.

956
01:26:48,580 --> 01:26:51,180
And their first measure was 20 years.

957
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:55,380
The renewal was another 20 years and now set to expire in 2027.

958
01:26:55,380 --> 01:27:03,520
And Measure C has funded a variety of projects, not only in the city of close but in the county of Fresno and surrounding agencies or cities.

959
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:11,860
As funding construction and maintenance of local roads, bike lanes, sidewalk trails, accessibility improvements in the operation and maintenance of public transit as well.

960
01:27:13,220 --> 01:27:17,900
So with the expiration of Measure C, there's a potential for a new measure.

961
01:27:17,900 --> 01:27:22,160
There have been two citizen-led measures filed with the county.

962
01:27:22,940 --> 01:27:26,400
One title is the Fresno County Transportation Improvement Act.

963
01:27:27,140 --> 01:27:30,480
Also known as better roads, safe streets.

964
01:27:30,780 --> 01:27:32,360
And then there's the fix our roads for

965
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,420
as no county transportation improvement measure.

966
01:27:36,140 --> 01:27:39,380
During our March 9th Council meeting,

967
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,260
during Council Commons, Council directed staff prepare a resolution

968
01:27:42,260 --> 01:27:45,200
to consider supporting, is that it's the lead measure.

969
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:51,440
And just part of the process in order to get this on the November 2026 ballot.

970
01:27:51,740 --> 01:27:56,360
There are approximately 33 signatures that need to be gathered by May 4th of 2026.

971
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:07,360
I will note that James Cuce, the Fresno County Clerk, is also an audience if there are any questions regarding the process of getting neither measure on the ballot.

972
01:28:08,420 --> 01:28:14,320
So tonight again for Council's consideration is approval of a resolution acknowledging the upcoming

973
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:19,560
expiration of measures C in 2027, recognizing the city's benefit for measures C funds since

974
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:20,240
1986.

975
01:28:20,860 --> 01:28:25,000
And expression support for a citizen-led transportation funding measure for Fresno County.

976
01:28:25,580 --> 01:28:30,060
And we like, in the resolution that's included in the agenda package, there is a blink

977
01:28:30,060 --> 01:28:34,820
in that resolution for Council to provide direction on should they wish on which measure

978
01:28:34,820 --> 01:28:36,000
to include in that resolution.

979
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:40,400
And with that, that completes staff's presentation and hand it back over to Council.

980
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,320
And I think I'm going to go ahead and open the public portion first of that way.

981
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:51,320
If the public's here to speak, we can hear all of that before the Council deliberates on,

982
01:28:51,480 --> 01:28:54,820
which measure if any that we want to move forward with.

983
01:28:54,820 --> 01:29:14,940
And our county clerk is here, if you can come forward first, Mr. Coose, that way you can kind of share with us the process and procedures for putting a measure on any deadlines that we know and maybe some of us will have questions for you directly.

984
01:29:15,940 --> 01:29:16,940
Good evening.

985
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:22,540
Thank you for the council members, James Coose, President County Clerk, Registrar of voters.

986
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:33,580
Thank you for letting me know that this item was going to be on today, this is an item that I think many of our local jurisdictions have an interest in.

987
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:42,920
We do have two citizen initiatives that are currently circulating or about to start circulating.

988
01:29:44,140 --> 01:29:50,980
Both initiatives have done a notice of intent and have now been published and adjudicated newspapers.

989
01:29:50,980 --> 01:29:54,860
and so both are eligible to be circulating at this time.

990
01:29:56,180 --> 01:29:59,980
Both are currently targeting the November 2026.

991
01:30:01,190 --> 01:30:22,850
Election. And that's a bit of a challenge, because to make the November ballot, the Board of Supervisors need to pass the initiative to my office by 88 days before that. That would be August 7th.

992
01:30:22,850 --> 01:30:35,370
And then we have issues of when the board has a meeting, and we have to prior to that verify the signatures, as mentioned by the Assistant City Manager,

993
01:30:37,610 --> 01:30:39,830
they don't need 33,000 signatures.

994
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:47,370
they actually need 22,000, just a little under 22,000, but realistically, for one of these

995
01:30:47,370 --> 01:30:53,710
two petitions to be on the November ballot, they must pass under what we call a random sample

996
01:30:53,710 --> 01:31:02,230
verification process. My office has two methods of verifying the signatures on the petitions,

997
01:31:02,630 --> 01:31:09,330
the random sample process, and a full count. If the random sample process doesn't find

998
01:31:10,670 --> 01:31:19,630
an abundance, an over-abundance of valid signatures, but almost passing, then we go to

999
01:31:19,630 --> 01:31:20,210
the full count.

1000
01:31:20,390 --> 01:31:25,210
So there kind of a step-wise process, we're already too late.

1001
01:31:25,750 --> 01:31:28,350
You cannot qualify right now if I have to do a full count.

1002
01:31:28,570 --> 01:31:29,550
You won't make November.

1003
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:31,910
There's just not enough time.

1004
01:31:32,230 --> 01:31:38,010
My office has 30 working days that's basically 42 calendar days to do a random count.

1005
01:31:38,010 --> 01:31:45,550
to do a full count is an additional 60 working days, that's 84 calendar days, that we're talking

1006
01:31:45,550 --> 01:31:51,430
months of time getting blocked out here and the clock is just running down. There's

1007
01:31:51,430 --> 01:31:56,510
a fair bit of competition out there and there might be some members of those proponents here

1008
01:31:56,510 --> 01:32:00,730
to talk about the competition that they're seeing out there. There are multiple state

1009
01:32:01,410 --> 01:32:05,730
propositions that are out there collecting signatures as we speak. We actually already have

1010
01:32:05,730 --> 01:32:10,210
three that have turned in signatures to begin the review process, so there's actually competition

1011
01:32:10,210 --> 01:32:16,730
in the field and in my office to get that process going. So it's going to be very interesting

1012
01:32:16,730 --> 01:32:22,250
to see what's happened. I think we have some proponents that are very gung-ho and supporting

1013
01:32:22,250 --> 01:32:29,950
both of these initiative processes and we'll be looking forward to see what comes into the office

1014
01:32:29,950 --> 01:32:34,530
as we get closer here and actually get to May which is really the start of May is when we expect

1015
01:32:34,530 --> 01:32:37,490
to see all of these petitions coming in.

1016
01:32:37,710 --> 01:32:38,930
There's also, when we expect to see

1017
01:32:38,930 --> 01:32:41,970
some of these state petitions coming in as well,

1018
01:32:42,250 --> 01:32:44,110
so a fair bit of activity already down

1019
01:32:44,110 --> 01:32:45,690
at the office down there,

1020
01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:47,350
and it's just gonna keep getting busier,

1021
01:32:47,350 --> 01:32:49,350
while we're already doing an election.

1022
01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:51,930
So, fun times there.

1023
01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:57,700
But yeah, questions right now,

1024
01:32:58,020 --> 01:32:59,940
but they need to get some of the questions of the board.

1025
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:01,260
Go ahead, man.

1026
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:03,280
Yeah, just a quick question.

1027
01:33:03,300 --> 01:33:05,140
You mentioned the Board of Supervisors

1028
01:33:05,140 --> 01:33:12,260
has to receive it or has to put it to you by August 7th. Is there any obligation for the Board of Supervisors to present it?

1029
01:33:12,660 --> 01:33:20,880
So they have a ministerial duty. Once I verify that the proponents have gathered the minimum number of valid signatures,

1030
01:33:21,580 --> 01:33:26,460
I do need to present it to them at their next available meeting.

1031
01:33:26,460 --> 01:33:32,860
And they have a ministerial duty to actually move it forward to the voters or to put it into law.

1032
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:35,600
It's going to go to the voters.

1033
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,880
They're not going to put that as an ordinance directly into law.

1034
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:43,620
They're going to give the people a chance to have their say in the process.

1035
01:33:45,100 --> 01:33:50,960
They do have an opportunity to do a 30-day review that actually applies whether it be a county initiative

1036
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:56,360
or a city initiative you have the opportunity to do a review on what the impact would be.

1037
01:33:56,360 --> 01:34:05,380
that's a 30-day report period and then they again need to provide that measure to my office

1038
01:34:05,380 --> 01:34:10,780
to be on the next available scheduled election.

1039
01:34:11,440 --> 01:34:18,260
They can't call a special election, a county-wide special election is a major undertaking

1040
01:34:18,260 --> 01:34:21,160
and a significant cost.

1041
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:29,160
So if they ask for a 30 day review prior to August 7th and it went past August 7th, then it would make the ballot.

1042
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:34,320
Correct. It would make the ballot but not the November ballot.

1043
01:34:34,940 --> 01:34:39,860
So it would be scheduled at that point for the March 2020-8 ballot.

1044
01:34:46,150 --> 01:34:47,870
Just saying on that for just a second.

1045
01:34:47,870 --> 01:34:53,990
Do they, if they receive the item, do they have an obligation to act on it or can they?

1046
01:34:54,090 --> 01:34:55,050
They must.

1047
01:34:55,170 --> 01:35:00,910
They have a ministerial duty once that I have certified that the valid number of signatures

1048
01:35:00,910 --> 01:35:09,010
is sufficient to take one of two actions, put it into law right away, or give it to the

1049
01:35:09,010 --> 01:35:09,530
people to vote.

1050
01:35:09,850 --> 01:35:11,770
So that is their action to be required.

1051
01:35:12,270 --> 01:35:12,310
Okay.

1052
01:35:12,870 --> 01:35:13,070
Okay.

1053
01:35:13,070 --> 01:35:25,470
So just so I'm clear, you said that both measures have met the proof of publication, and both measures, well, that it allows both measures to collect signatures, yeah?

1054
01:35:25,990 --> 01:35:29,090
And can you collect signatures before the proof of publication?

1055
01:35:30,470 --> 01:35:40,710
So in law you must publish the notice of intent and the title and summary provided by county council prior to circulating your petition.

1056
01:35:40,710 --> 01:35:59,830
Okay. And we asked to have proof of publication right away so that we have a very clear record there for when we receive those petitions that there's no question that any have been any signatures are prior to that publication point that way we've got a good clear starting point.

1057
01:36:00,270 --> 01:36:02,310
Okay. When we do our verification process.

1058
01:36:02,310 --> 01:36:05,650
Okay, I was a certain, and you say the dates for me one more time.

1059
01:36:06,730 --> 01:36:09,450
So, we don't have time to do a full count under any circumstance.

1060
01:36:10,310 --> 01:36:13,090
So, what's the date again? Is it May 4th?

1061
01:36:13,270 --> 01:36:18,250
Right now, May 4th is what I was putting out as the suggested final date for the

1062
01:36:18,250 --> 01:36:20,130
proponents to get that in.

1063
01:36:20,590 --> 01:36:27,010
There are, I have 30 working days to do a random sample.

1064
01:36:27,690 --> 01:36:32,990
And we have had, there are county-wide initiatives in the last four six years.

1065
01:36:32,990 --> 01:36:43,050
We were able to turn around much quicker than just 30 working days, which is why I brought up the level of competition in the field and in my office right now.

1066
01:36:43,530 --> 01:36:50,390
It is very unlikely that we could get at 28 days or something, but I can't promise anything less than 30.

1067
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:51,490
Yeah, I know that makes sense.

1068
01:36:51,630 --> 01:36:52,150
All right, thank you.

1069
01:36:52,350 --> 01:36:52,750
Appreciate that.

1070
01:36:52,750 --> 01:36:53,390
Thanks for being here.

1071
01:36:53,530 --> 01:36:54,190
Two by the way.

1072
01:36:55,370 --> 01:36:58,270
Any other questions from Mr. Good?

1073
01:36:58,810 --> 01:37:04,110
Mr. Cousin, with regards to funding, do they file with you or are they filing straight

1074
01:37:04,110 --> 01:37:08,150
with the FEPC and then do those documents come to you at all?

1075
01:37:08,470 --> 01:37:09,230
So the proposals.

1076
01:37:09,810 --> 01:37:16,410
Anyone that's supporting either of these citizen initiative groups, those are actually

1077
01:37:16,410 --> 01:37:22,990
county committees. And so they would be filing with my office. And once we start seeing spending,

1078
01:37:23,570 --> 01:37:28,310
there should be documents that have been filed with the 460s and 470s to get in or that.

1079
01:37:28,350 --> 01:37:33,950
The 460s and the county or the committee formation documents all should have.

1080
01:37:33,970 --> 01:37:35,150
And have both filed.

1081
01:37:35,630 --> 01:37:36,310
That was formed.

1082
01:37:36,650 --> 01:37:37,130
I'm not saying fine.

1083
01:37:37,130 --> 01:37:39,690
I'm aware of one, but I haven't seen the other.

1084
01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:46,390
But until money is spent and technically just like use candidates until $2,000 has been

1085
01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:52,970
been spent, they don't have to yet, so we would be expecting the second one to be filing soon

1086
01:37:52,970 --> 01:37:54,690
if they haven't filed already.

1087
01:37:55,930 --> 01:38:01,850
Unfortunately, I do have to admit that I am a bit busy now, starting to prepare ballots

1088
01:38:01,850 --> 01:38:02,830
for our June elections.

1089
01:38:02,970 --> 01:38:10,530
So I haven't been tracking committee formations or FVBC filings for anything in the past couple

1090
01:38:10,530 --> 01:38:10,750
weeks.

1091
01:38:10,750 --> 01:38:19,410
We watched closely candidate filings for that deadline back on at the start of the month,

1092
01:38:19,650 --> 01:38:24,210
but now we're, I have not seen whether they're any candidate filing, there are campaign

1093
01:38:24,210 --> 01:38:25,410
filing, it's have occurred.

1094
01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:27,350
Any other questions?

1095
01:38:27,870 --> 01:38:28,690
Any other questions?

1096
01:38:28,690 --> 01:38:28,930
Any other questions?

1097
01:38:29,550 --> 01:38:30,410
Thank you.

1098
01:38:30,490 --> 01:38:31,210
Thank you, Mr. Cook.

1099
01:38:31,790 --> 01:38:33,330
Anyone else from the public?

1100
01:38:33,650 --> 01:38:35,230
I'd like to address the council on this side.

1101
01:38:38,350 --> 01:38:39,110
Eric Rollins.

1102
01:38:39,170 --> 01:38:40,950
I live on Ashcroft Avenue in Clovis.

1103
01:38:42,110 --> 01:38:49,630
So, one of my big concerns is, what if they both pass? What do we do? Okay, so we've got

1104
01:38:49,630 --> 01:38:50,690
a mess there, potentially.

1105
01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:58,270
My big priority, if I was choosing between these is there needs

1106
01:38:58,270 --> 01:39:02,710
to be some local control, because I thoroughly believe in local control, so which one provides

1107
01:39:02,710 --> 01:39:10,090
more local control, the other one is, which one in some ways ties our hands or ties city governments

1108
01:39:10,090 --> 01:39:16,530
hands and out those two are kind of working against each other so that the vast majority of the

1109
01:39:16,530 --> 01:39:22,390
money goes to roads. Everywhere I go outside of the city of Clovis, the roads are terrible.

1110
01:39:23,350 --> 01:39:24,250
I mean it's kind of embarrassing.

1111
01:39:26,330 --> 01:39:31,070
So how do we compromise those two elements? We give as much

1112
01:39:31,070 --> 01:39:35,770
local control as possible so cities can define their own destiny and set their own priorities

1113
01:39:35,770 --> 01:39:42,210
and yet at the same time. Everybody I know that is expressed anything against this. It's

1114
01:39:42,210 --> 01:39:50,370
always about, hey, we're not fixing the roads. That's the priority. That's the cost of them being

1115
01:39:50,370 --> 01:39:55,770
willing to vote for this. So, whichever if the council does make a decision or doesn't, if you do,

1116
01:39:56,910 --> 01:40:01,210
please keep those to two elements in mind. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Thank you, Eric.

1117
01:40:06,700 --> 01:40:06,940
And I think

1118
01:40:06,940 --> 01:40:13,920
question to if, whether both past Mr. Kuzzi, can you verify it and set the one with the highest number of votes?

1119
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:15,460
That's the winning petition.

1120
01:40:24,900 --> 01:40:25,000
Okay.

1121
01:40:25,500 --> 01:40:27,400
So that, yeah, I think the question we all have.

1122
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:28,500
Thank you, Mr. Kuzzi.

1123
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:33,200
Yeah, my name is dear Trevin. I'm looking forward to it.

1124
01:40:33,300 --> 01:40:38,380
You know, when it comes to these measures, my problem that I have with all this,

1125
01:40:38,860 --> 01:40:43,640
has everybody has a different opinion of what where the money should be spent.

1126
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:50,820
And I've been in here a hundred times, I don't know, I don't know how many times.

1127
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:59,640
I've been in here many times complaining about bike lanes and the width of the sidewalks.

1128
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:03,440
Even just a little while ago, I'll walk it over here.

1129
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:06,320
And the junk girl came behind me in the scooter.

1130
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:11,860
And the sidewalk is maybe three feet wide.

1131
01:41:11,860 --> 01:41:18,780
You know, and so I, you know, of course, I moved over a much that good, but I still

1132
01:41:18,780 --> 01:41:24,960
see these kids riding on the streets, and you know a couple of years ago, a customer

1133
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:32,940
ambassador, he, I saw him in my Facebook, and he was the Joe Forrest, the former mayor, and

1134
01:41:32,940 --> 01:41:34,100
they were in New York.

1135
01:41:34,420 --> 01:41:39,360
And you go to other countries, and they have streets under a bit of Europe, okay, some

1136
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:39,740
day.

1137
01:41:39,740 --> 01:41:47,160
And by the way, they have streets where they're dedicated to B1 bikes and people walking

1138
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:50,120
same with the medical city, their famous for that.

1139
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:58,480
For those having streets, they're only for riding horses and for people walking and riding

1140
01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:04,760
horses and on foot and on bicycles and now we're having a lot of people riding e-bikes.

1141
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:09,820
And so these people are these politicians, people are making these decisions.

1142
01:42:10,620 --> 01:42:12,200
That's where I see the problem.

1143
01:42:12,660 --> 01:42:15,660
We need more bike paths, paths.

1144
01:42:16,220 --> 01:42:17,740
We need, for example, human provis,

1145
01:42:18,140 --> 01:42:21,920
we have the bike path that goes north and south.

1146
01:42:22,540 --> 01:42:26,940
We need a major one that goes east to west.

1147
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:29,600
So that if you want to ride your bike,

1148
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:37,140
If you're, you can ride your bike without, without the, you know, without the danger of being run over by a car.

1149
01:42:37,460 --> 01:42:38,560
So anyway, thank you.

1150
01:42:38,660 --> 01:42:39,480
Thank you, Mr. Tribune.

1151
01:42:44,780 --> 01:42:45,900
Hello, my name is Neil Malay.

1152
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:47,060
Hello, I'm Paulson.

1153
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:51,020
I doesn't say this for the budget talk, but it seems appropriate now.

1154
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:53,500
Let me get over to it.

1155
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:58,580
Over the past year, the city has simply increased spending on employees and compensation,

1156
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:02,240
largely supported by Measure Y, with the goal of improving public safety.

1157
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:08,220
I would encourage the Council to look more broadly at public safety means in my experience

1158
01:43:08,220 --> 01:43:13,920
when most dangerous aspects of living in Clovis is neving in the city outside of a car.

1159
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:19,540
I enjoy walking and biking, but incomplete routes and disconnected paths create a real hazard

1160
01:43:19,540 --> 01:43:25,280
and navigation issues. Invest in safer streets connected by routes and pedestrian infrastructure.

1161
01:43:26,060 --> 01:43:31,720
I have a greater long-term public safety impact than add more employees or equipment.

1162
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:38,420
City already knows many dangerous locations through the after-trans station plan and past pedestrian

1163
01:43:38,420 --> 01:43:43,820
fatalities. With these resources now available, this is an opportunity to make meaningful improvements

1164
01:43:43,820 --> 01:43:47,030
to the build environment and future tragedies. Thank you.

1165
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:48,030
Thank you.

1166
01:43:54,820 --> 01:43:55,160
Good evening.

1167
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:57,140
It's a shorty here.

1168
01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:57,620
Hi.

1169
01:43:57,740 --> 01:43:57,880
Hi.

1170
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:02,760
My name is Crystal and I live on a tall house somewhere in close.

1171
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:11,520
So I didn't intend on speaking tonight for once, but I wanted to piggyback on what the previous

1172
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:16,800
gentleman we're speaking as some of you probably have known that I traveled by E-bike

1173
01:44:17,220 --> 01:44:18,940
is parked right outside, in fact.

1174
01:44:19,580 --> 01:44:27,420
And I have to say I clobus is probably more dangerous for me to ride than in major cities

1175
01:44:27,420 --> 01:44:34,580
San Diego, San Francisco, even in Phoenix, and as a gentleman, we're saying the incomplete

1176
01:44:34,580 --> 01:44:44,100
paths are very dangerous, you know, for those of us on e-bikes and e-bike writers are

1177
01:44:44,100 --> 01:44:49,820
increasing. They're going to increase because I'm sure with the gas prices toppling up

1178
01:44:49,820 --> 01:44:56,480
what eight dollars in some areas. And we've seen an increase of e-bike writers in the last few

1179
01:44:56,480 --> 01:44:59,620
years. I became a writer in 2019.

1180
01:45:00,050 --> 01:45:30,010
And I thought I was the only one. One hour all over the place, right? But the problem is, you know, we write on the street, because we are, you know, battery operated, and for consideration of walking paths, if there's someone walking, we are to take the street, however, when we're in a bike path, and it's, it dead ends without any rhyme or reason, that forces us either into the traffic with cars who aren't paying attention to us anyway.

1181
01:45:30,050 --> 01:45:36,210
or on the sidewalk and then we're intrusive on, you know, families that are, you know,

1182
01:45:36,750 --> 01:45:42,150
with their babies or whatever, right? So I would hope that that would be a

1183
01:45:42,150 --> 01:45:48,110
consideration as the city grows and as it's measure, you know, move forward. So thank

1184
01:45:48,110 --> 01:45:51,850
you. Thank you very much, Kristen. Anyone else?

1185
01:45:56,340 --> 01:45:58,760
Hi. I'm Jenny Kran. I live on

1186
01:45:59,460 --> 01:46:07,600
And one of the things I think that we really need to keep in mind about these measures,

1187
01:46:07,940 --> 01:46:11,260
about the whole transportation issue and such.

1188
01:46:11,260 --> 01:46:16,300
I mean, I've heard comments about, we need to have more bike lanes or whatever,

1189
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:20,500
or we need to focus mostly on pod holes.

1190
01:46:21,500 --> 01:46:31,500
We also have to remember that this is a county issue, and it's not just close, and what's, you know, what we're going to have.

1191
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:42,840
There's a real need for public transportation that goes from the rural communities to the cities.

1192
01:46:44,180 --> 01:46:51,360
And we have, I was listening to somebody talking about how getting the public transport

1193
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:57,280
to it was one of the trustees for the State Center about how, once they had transportation

1194
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:05,020
from the rural community to the community colleges, the kids were enrolling, and they couldn't

1195
01:47:05,020 --> 01:47:08,360
enroll in college because they couldn't get to college.

1196
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:16,920
So, there's a lot of change happening we need to be looking at how what's most flexible

1197
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:26,060
for the county, not just what people, you know, what works for a few of us here in

1198
01:47:26,060 --> 01:47:26,820
Clovis.

1199
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:31,640
So, I'm just encouraging a broader look at the issue.

1200
01:47:32,260 --> 01:47:32,820
Thank you, Jenny.

1201
01:47:38,100 --> 01:47:41,760
Brian Wilson, Bergen Avenue, I'm not for either one of these.

1202
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:46,960
I was burned twice, I wanted pot holes fixed way back in 86.

1203
01:47:47,820 --> 01:47:49,280
The pot holes are still there.

1204
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:52,500
They're just a little different, so I'm not for either one of them.

1205
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:53,320
Thank you.

1206
01:47:53,320 --> 01:47:53,920
Thank you, Brian.

1207
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:56,620
Anyone else, thank you to the rest of the council?

1208
01:47:58,480 --> 01:47:59,040
OK, see you now.

1209
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:00,840
We're going to go ahead and close the public portion,

1210
01:48:01,100 --> 01:48:02,360
and just bring it back to the council.

1211
01:48:02,740 --> 01:48:05,840
I want to know for the record that we do have three emails.

1212
01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:10,600
I think these are all in support of the better road

1213
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:16,000
streets measure, one two three of them. So I just wanted to note that for the record.

1214
01:48:17,460 --> 01:48:22,320
Okay, what's the pleasure of the council? We have a resolution with a blank name on it.

1215
01:48:28,090 --> 01:48:30,290
I had a couple questions for Andy.

1216
01:48:32,570 --> 01:48:34,770
So, measure C,

1217
01:48:38,440 --> 01:48:42,360
how much of an impact is it if we don't have that for the city?

1218
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:43,820
And that's kind of a general question.

1219
01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:47,360
Yeah, so generally we get around $2 million a year

1220
01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:51,220
to support our transit entity and about $4 million a year

1221
01:48:51,220 --> 01:48:53,440
to support maintaining our rooms.

1222
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:55,860
So between the $6 million a year,

1223
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:56,740
it's critical.

1224
01:48:57,660 --> 01:49:02,660
One measure must pass for us to continue providing the level of service

1225
01:49:02,660 --> 01:49:05,180
that our residents have come to express both

1226
01:49:05,180 --> 01:49:07,740
on the transit side and on the maintaining streets side.

1227
01:49:08,220 --> 01:49:11,380
So it's safe to say that it's pretty much imperative

1228
01:49:11,380 --> 01:49:13,580
for our transit department to have something.

1229
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:14,540
Yes, okay.

1230
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:18,360
So, in looking through the two different measures,

1231
01:49:19,380 --> 01:49:22,480
one of them guarantees 10% to close transit

1232
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:24,400
out of the fun set aside for transit.

1233
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:28,820
And the other one was 1.79% for close transit.

1234
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:31,460
What was the difference there?

1235
01:49:31,480 --> 01:49:34,300
Is there some leeway that the 1.79 are not seeing?

1236
01:49:34,900 --> 01:49:38,060
So, I think on a dollar basis, we currently get 2 million.

1237
01:49:38,060 --> 01:49:45,020
The measure that is a higher percentage would move up to about four million, Paul correct me if I'm wrong.

1238
01:49:45,700 --> 01:49:49,940
And the measure that basically maintains this at slightly less than two million.

1239
01:49:51,500 --> 01:49:53,780
And it's 10 percent of the tool.

1240
01:49:53,940 --> 01:49:58,960
It's two and a half percent for Clovis transit on one and then 1.79 percent on the other.

1241
01:49:58,980 --> 01:49:59,300
Okay.

1242
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:01,480
We're all total exactly.

1243
01:50:02,100 --> 01:50:03,140
And we're currently adding.

1244
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:06,180
So we're just broken down that 10 percent of that total funds.

1245
01:50:06,180 --> 01:50:10,920
Exactly. Okay. That we're putting it there. Okay, what else do I have here for questions?

1246
01:50:15,860 --> 01:50:21,720
Does either distinguish helping with trails? Is there one that provides money for trails?

1247
01:50:21,860 --> 01:50:27,100
And one that doesn't, or do they both provide funding to repair trails? They both provide funding for trails.

1248
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:38,100
In reading through, and if I don't understand, if I missed it,

1249
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:43,100
It says, one of them appears to provide money to cow trans.

1250
01:50:43,740 --> 01:50:45,940
Does one of them provide money to cow trans?

1251
01:50:48,730 --> 01:50:53,290
So, one of the measures provides more funds for regional projects.

1252
01:50:53,590 --> 01:50:56,990
We could be cow trans facilities such as a freeway or an interchange.

1253
01:50:57,750 --> 01:50:59,670
And one provides a very little for that project.

1254
01:51:00,570 --> 01:51:02,810
Which one provides money to cow trans projects?

1255
01:51:02,970 --> 01:51:04,870
Let me show you the names right because I have shifted.

1256
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:10,650
So you fixed our roads as more regional projects that would be for counter-transfacities likely.

1257
01:51:11,410 --> 01:51:20,710
Why would we want to fund, I guess my question would be why would we want to fund state projects with local dollars if they were kelp trans projects.

1258
01:51:21,630 --> 01:51:23,830
So that would that would be my question there.

1259
01:51:29,110 --> 01:51:31,910
I think that's all I have for right now.

1260
01:51:32,410 --> 01:51:32,430
Okay.

1261
01:51:32,430 --> 01:51:33,170
Thank you, man.

1262
01:51:35,890 --> 01:51:40,550
I was just going to reference what Matt just asked about there as far as CalTrans being part

1263
01:51:40,550 --> 01:51:41,550
of it.

1264
01:51:41,710 --> 01:51:47,430
And I mean, previously, it's Highway's 180, 168, that measure C has helped to fund and build

1265
01:51:47,430 --> 01:51:48,450
out in all of that.

1266
01:51:48,530 --> 01:51:54,210
And so, just the fact that CalTrans or the fact that we have measure C at all is because state

1267
01:51:54,210 --> 01:51:55,730
projects weren't getting funded.

1268
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:59,510
And so, we had to kind of do the self-help deal to start with.

1269
01:51:59,510 --> 01:52:04,190
And so those types of interchanges in that, it's not, it doesn't have to go to CalTrans,

1270
01:52:04,430 --> 01:52:08,610
but it just allows for continuation of what measures C has provided inbuilt.

1271
01:52:08,990 --> 01:52:12,290
And so it isn't restrictive in that sense, it still allows for that to continue.

1272
01:52:16,340 --> 01:52:17,320
Do you have some questions?

1273
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:17,860
Yes.

1274
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:23,140
I met with staff this afternoon to discuss some questions I had.

1275
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:30,420
As I understand it, fix our roads is more original than local.

1276
01:52:32,980 --> 01:52:42,460
Do we not get as much money out of fix our roads for Clovis Transit versus, I'm sorry, what's the other one?

1277
01:52:42,700 --> 01:52:44,960
Better road safe streets.

1278
01:52:45,860 --> 01:52:50,580
This Clovis Transit come out better on one or the other.

1279
01:52:50,580 --> 01:53:02,220
On the better roads, safe streets, there is more money allocated to COVID transit on an annual basis, and it's over a 30-year proposed measure compared to a 20-year measure.

1280
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:10,720
And one of the concerns that I had that I've voiced the staff was the local control aspect.

1281
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:27,520
If I believe that the fix our roads requires a study and part of that study could require consolidation of services, I'm not an advocate of losing local control.

1282
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:35,610
I don't want, and this conversation was had, I think, in the 80s about police services.

1283
01:53:35,610 --> 01:54:01,330
No. We have control over our employees. We have control over the manner in which they treat our citizens, and I don't know that I trust a regional entity like a regional transportation system to work in the manner that we treat our citizens.

1284
01:54:02,030 --> 01:54:04,070
That's a big concern to mind.

1285
01:54:05,730 --> 01:54:12,510
And I know some people can say, well, it's just the study, and maybe they won't recommend that.

1286
01:54:12,610 --> 01:54:19,310
Well, I had to say that I have never seen a traffic study that was funded by the helper.

1287
01:54:20,050 --> 01:54:22,970
That said, gee, we shouldn't build this thing.

1288
01:54:23,570 --> 01:54:25,050
It's always, yes.

1289
01:54:25,050 --> 01:54:37,050
So, I don't, I'm a little dubious on that with trails, off-road FID trails, they're not paved.

1290
01:54:38,230 --> 01:54:52,410
Are both of those funded in these two versions and is there a penalty at some point with one or the other if we're not paving them?

1291
01:54:52,410 --> 01:54:59,390
It does appear that both proposed measures have funding that can be allocated towards trails along

1292
01:54:59,390 --> 01:55:00,310
our canal banks.

1293
01:55:02,990 --> 01:55:10,390
The better road safe streets does have metrics in its proposed guidelines that so many miles

1294
01:55:10,390 --> 01:55:17,450
of class one and class four trails must be constructed or built by the cities that will

1295
01:55:17,450 --> 01:55:22,270
there's specifically figures in there for Fresno and Colbus in that one, whereas the fixed

1296
01:55:22,270 --> 01:55:29,130
r roads is does not specifically state how many miles, but that money can be used towards

1297
01:55:29,130 --> 01:55:29,750
trails.

1298
01:55:30,470 --> 01:55:39,090
And there were some verbiage about recreational trails, but it seems vague is that what constitutes

1299
01:55:39,090 --> 01:55:42,250
a recreational trail or has not been defined.

1300
01:55:43,510 --> 01:55:55,270
Yes, the better road safe streets proposed guidelines does have language in there that no funding can be used for recreational trails.

1301
01:55:57,370 --> 01:56:07,530
I think recreational trails would be defined as a trail that doesn't lead from one pointer community to a point of business or commercial use.

1302
01:56:08,530 --> 01:56:14,270
As long as we would have those trails included, and I think in our ATP, they wouldn't be deemed recreational.

1303
01:56:15,910 --> 01:56:22,890
But there is language in one regarding recreational. It doesn't need to be, I feel better defined as what is exactly as recreational.

1304
01:56:23,570 --> 01:56:28,270
And that would probably come later with the strategic implementation guidelines.

1305
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:32,430
Should either of the measures be approved.

1306
01:56:32,430 --> 01:56:37,290
We think the recreational trail definition was a trail that's for pure enjoyment.

1307
01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:42,730
So think of a trail up in the foothills or a shaver for enjoying a scenic view.

1308
01:56:42,930 --> 01:56:49,310
Versus the trail that you could use to commute or go to a park or go in between place of business.

1309
01:56:49,710 --> 01:56:57,630
Yeah, just a little concerned about a vague term that's not defined because you could have some glass half empty person saying that

1310
01:56:57,630 --> 01:57:05,370
writing your bike is recreation and it's some transportation. I, which is wrong. There was

1311
01:57:05,370 --> 01:57:11,390
something else, and I can't remember what it was. I'll just, I may have to remember, I may have

1312
01:57:11,390 --> 01:57:11,790
it.

1313
01:57:12,810 --> 01:57:13,750
Good, ma'am before.

1314
01:57:14,170 --> 01:57:14,750
We'll go with Ma'am.

1315
01:57:14,890 --> 01:57:20,730
This is one of the quick questions. The safe school routes. What exactly does that

1316
01:57:20,730 --> 01:57:22,230
entail with this?

1317
01:57:22,350 --> 01:57:23,470
Safe routes to school?

1318
01:57:23,910 --> 01:57:31,630
Yeah, both our current measures see as money allocated to safe routes for school, so that could be completing sidewalks, nearby schools.

1319
01:57:32,430 --> 01:57:41,930
I know the better road safe streets has a specific metric of so many projects must be completed related to safe routes to school,

1320
01:57:42,230 --> 01:57:46,870
whereas, again, our fixed roads has money that you can use for safe routes for school to complete sidewalks.

1321
01:57:46,930 --> 01:57:50,650
It doesn't state exactly how many projects, so it's more flexible in that sense.

1322
01:57:50,650 --> 01:57:57,090
So an example of a project that would be completed we can look at would that be like closed east right now

1323
01:57:57,090 --> 01:58:01,650
We're we're trying to get Ashlyn that sidewalk completed in front of that apartment complex

1324
01:58:02,190 --> 01:58:03,570
In the crosswalk

1325
01:58:03,570 --> 01:58:07,090
Yeah, I think that'd be a good example and that's something that would be funded under

1326
01:58:07,650 --> 01:58:13,150
I think either would have fun in available for for something like that

1327
01:58:13,150 --> 01:58:19,270
That's all I got now. You remember I just remember okay. I as I understand it the

1328
01:58:19,270 --> 01:58:23,430
safe streets, roads, better roads, safe streets.

1329
01:58:23,430 --> 01:58:24,190
There we go.

1330
01:58:25,850 --> 01:58:33,610
It only covers maintenance to roads with, but there is a safety exception.

1331
01:58:34,550 --> 01:58:36,830
Here's what my concern is.

1332
01:58:37,170 --> 01:58:49,250
We have roads that, as we develop going north, we are putting stress on some

1333
01:58:49,250 --> 01:58:59,790
B-hymer and probably Taikondrogan, some other ones, and we would be able to, in the name

1334
01:58:59,790 --> 01:59:06,330
of safety, cooperate with the county to fix, we wouldn't be able to pay me for it.

1335
01:59:06,410 --> 01:59:13,710
We couldn't make a foul or a four-lane road, but we could improve the two-lane road

1336
01:59:13,710 --> 01:59:18,850
as is and maybe put in turning areas so that we don't have a rear end as that.

1337
01:59:18,850 --> 01:59:20,210
Would that be accurate?

1338
01:59:21,790 --> 01:59:29,150
The, um, uh, better road safe streets has language in there that funding cannot be used

1339
01:59:29,150 --> 01:59:32,830
for capacity increasing projects, unless a variety of metrics are met.

1340
01:59:33,270 --> 01:59:37,990
So as you had mentioned, as long as there's a study that shows that, um, safety issues being

1341
01:59:37,990 --> 01:59:41,590
addressed, we feel that funding are added peers through the guidelines that funding could

1342
01:59:41,590 --> 01:59:43,470
be used to address those issues and concerns.

1343
01:59:43,470 --> 01:59:50,690
And the Pixar roads has tiered plans and it's fairly extensive.

1344
01:59:51,910 --> 01:59:59,970
I don't recall seeing any items regarding some of the county roads that we put stress on as poor.

1345
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:03,800
Are there a tier run program unless somebody could correct me?

1346
02:00:05,100 --> 02:00:09,860
Yeah, the fixed-hour road. So there's the local part of local monies that can be, that's flexible,

1347
02:00:10,180 --> 02:00:17,180
but then there's the regional part, and with the fixed-hour roads guidelines, there's a tier list of tier one projects included on that.

1348
02:00:17,400 --> 02:00:26,960
The roads that you just mentioned don't appear to be included in that tier one list. There are other segments, but not the ones specifically that you had mentioned out in the county rural areas.

1349
02:00:27,460 --> 02:00:29,140
I remember it every time. Thank you.

1350
02:00:30,780 --> 02:00:37,940
I was just going to add just to that the better roads, safer streets, I trouble those

1351
02:00:38,860 --> 02:00:45,440
consents. We'll allow the list of projects to be developed once the measures passed according to some frameworks.

1352
02:00:46,220 --> 02:00:51,100
What you see in the fix our roads is really the exact same, more or less the same list. It was in 2022.

1353
02:00:51,100 --> 02:00:53,880
And those are all, I think, of the 25, 19,

1354
02:00:53,920 --> 02:00:56,620
we're a counter-trans project and six, is that math, 25,

1355
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:58,060
six, we're local projects.

1356
02:00:58,420 --> 02:00:59,940
So I think that is the difference.

1357
02:01:00,240 --> 02:01:02,900
But the projects will come in the implementation strategy

1358
02:01:02,900 --> 02:01:04,580
of better roads, safer streets.

1359
02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:06,500
The other comment I want to make on trails

1360
02:01:06,500 --> 02:01:11,620
is they both fund trails, but I want to say four,

1361
02:01:11,820 --> 02:01:16,100
but fix our roads requires a match for any trail construction

1362
02:01:16,100 --> 02:01:17,240
that we would do.

1363
02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:19,720
And if we don't have a match, we're not going to get the trail,

1364
02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:23,600
or we're going to get it less of a trail. So that's the one difference in the two in the two measures.

1365
02:01:27,170 --> 02:01:27,350
Good day.

1366
02:01:28,490 --> 02:01:34,890
Yeah, just I think I'm the only one up here who is a proponent for fix our roads. So in the interest

1367
02:01:34,890 --> 02:01:39,290
of just kind of trying to offer that perspective to some of my colleagues questions and comments

1368
02:01:39,990 --> 02:01:46,470
drew the issue on transportation. I to agree with you that consolidation is not something

1369
02:01:46,470 --> 02:01:53,090
that should be required. And my understanding is that the study would simply return the findings.

1370
02:01:53,170 --> 02:01:59,290
And there's nothing conscripted within the measure itself that enforces those findings.

1371
02:01:59,770 --> 02:02:05,090
But I also believe that what we have seen over the past 20 years when measures

1372
02:02:05,090 --> 02:02:10,510
see was renewed in 2006. There was an interest in increasing public transportation funding

1373
02:02:10,510 --> 02:02:13,430
to enable an increase in ridership.

1374
02:02:14,310 --> 02:02:15,810
And unfortunately, well, fortunately,

1375
02:02:15,990 --> 02:02:17,950
Clovis Transit, well done.

1376
02:02:18,370 --> 02:02:19,670
We have increased our ridership.

1377
02:02:19,790 --> 02:02:21,410
We are back above pre-COVID levels.

1378
02:02:21,910 --> 02:02:25,370
Unfortunately, neither the city of Fresno nor the rural transportation

1379
02:02:25,860 --> 02:02:27,910
have seen that increase in ridership.

1380
02:02:28,470 --> 02:02:31,890
And so, part of the whole concept of the Pixar roads,

1381
02:02:32,630 --> 02:02:36,490
approach to public transportation is in line with that,

1382
02:02:36,650 --> 02:02:38,670
keeping everything kind of status quo.

1383
02:02:38,670 --> 02:02:56,670
The flexible pot of local money that Paul has referenced would enable the city of Clovis to make up any shortfall to our transit, but it also doesn't force the entire county to be subsidizing other public transit that hasn't seen the rebounding and ridership.

1384
02:02:56,670 --> 02:03:00,670
Now, let's see, I'm going to have to remember everything that you said, too.

1385
02:03:01,110 --> 02:03:06,430
So I started at the beginning, and now I'm going to, but also the study itself,

1386
02:03:06,750 --> 02:03:11,670
the concept there is, you know, if all we're looking at doing is getting people around

1387
02:03:11,670 --> 02:03:17,090
the county or even around our jurisdiction or our cities and not on buses, you know, as

1388
02:03:17,090 --> 02:03:20,770
well as anyone up here, the difficulty that the state of California is putting on public

1389
02:03:20,770 --> 02:03:23,670
transit in general with things like zero mission vehicles.

1390
02:03:23,670 --> 02:03:41,670
And so the idea of reimagining transit just opens the box to say are there arenas are there areas that we haven't really considered that would help us get people around this county in a more efficient manner than these systems that we've been using that don't have the ridership to

1391
02:03:41,670 --> 02:03:45,170
to necessitate an increase in funding, et cetera, et cetera.

1392
02:03:45,410 --> 02:03:48,410
So that's my perspective on the public transit part.

1393
02:03:48,970 --> 02:03:51,150
We've always agreed specifically here in Clovis

1394
02:03:51,150 --> 02:03:55,290
that the people we serve with our public transit are,

1395
02:03:55,290 --> 02:03:56,650
that's so important.

1396
02:03:56,830 --> 02:03:57,530
It's our seniors.

1397
02:03:58,030 --> 02:04:02,190
It's people who really rely on that for essential service.

1398
02:04:02,470 --> 02:04:05,770
And so the ability to continue providing that is critical.

1399
02:04:07,170 --> 02:04:09,510
And, but at the same time, I've said it before.

1400
02:04:09,510 --> 02:04:16,770
So I'll say again, the other land, if you can't figure out the name of it, how am I supposed to?

1401
02:04:19,390 --> 02:04:27,510
The fact that there's so much money going to public transit for the Fresno County Transportation Improvement Act.

1402
02:04:28,650 --> 02:04:36,410
What you really find out is that the entire county, all of the money that comes into this measure from the entire county,

1403
02:04:36,410 --> 02:04:43,670
for every five and a half dollars that comes in about one dollar of that goes to the city

1404
02:04:43,670 --> 02:04:50,910
of Fresno's public buses. They don't have the ridership. Why should we ask the entire county

1405
02:04:50,910 --> 02:04:57,190
to subsidize their public transit system? That's my kind of, again, I want the flexibility,

1406
02:04:57,510 --> 02:05:03,190
I want the local control. That's why I love the idea that there is what I call of the

1407
02:05:03,190 --> 02:05:07,430
looks accounts with fixed arrows that allows whether it's

1408
02:05:07,430 --> 02:05:10,130
Selma, whether it's here on, whether it's an

1409
02:05:10,130 --> 02:05:14,050
unincorporated area to address their own unique needs.

1410
02:05:14,330 --> 02:05:18,230
The idea that recreational trails that would be up in

1411
02:05:18,230 --> 02:05:21,910
the foot hills, that would purely be recreational that

1412
02:05:21,910 --> 02:05:24,030
somewhere up in the foot hills, they don't even have the option

1413
02:05:24,030 --> 02:05:28,170
to do that because we've decided or whoever put this measure

1414
02:05:28,170 --> 02:05:30,850
together decides that they shouldn't be able to do that.

1415
02:05:30,850 --> 02:05:59,810
I'm not I'm not down with that. I think the flexibility of the different jurisdictions to be able to set their own priorities and to have that flexibility to address these things to not be subsidizing the city of Fresno's public transportation system all of those things to me kind of separate these out and cause me to at least at you know my first looking at everything to say I kind of like this fix our roads thing I like the local control I like the flexibility I like maintaining transit without

1416
02:06:00,850 --> 02:06:05,830
predicting so far into the future in such a volatile, you know, arena.

1417
02:06:06,630 --> 02:06:11,050
I also really think the first two iterations of measures see the initial one in 1986,

1418
02:06:11,550 --> 02:06:16,210
the renewal in 2006, both being 20-year measures, particularly again, with the uncertainty

1419
02:06:16,210 --> 02:06:20,890
of what's coming before us, looking and trying to set us up for something for 30 years.

1420
02:06:21,250 --> 02:06:22,810
It just doesn't seem like the way to go.

1421
02:06:22,890 --> 02:06:24,090
20 years has worked.

1422
02:06:24,390 --> 02:06:25,630
We've seen what it's done.

1423
02:06:25,930 --> 02:06:28,170
Maybe it didn't fix all of Mr. Wilson's pot holes.

1424
02:06:28,910 --> 02:06:34,190
But at least it has been what it was intended to be in 20 years, I think, makes more sense

1425
02:06:34,190 --> 02:06:37,390
again, particularly with the uncertainties that we face.

1426
02:06:38,170 --> 02:06:40,890
Was there anything else not that I need to say anything else?

1427
02:06:42,450 --> 02:06:44,830
So those are kind of some of the things that I've seen come about.

1428
02:06:45,090 --> 02:06:50,790
I also really have to say that I've been incredibly disappointed with the process that brought

1429
02:06:50,790 --> 02:06:51,690
us to this place.

1430
02:06:51,710 --> 02:06:56,850
And I think that's where we see a lot of the public angst about how we got here because

1431
02:06:56,850 --> 02:07:07,010
We have trusted our Council of Governments, which is the 15 Mayors of our cities, a representative from the County Board of Supervisors, to kind of oversee this, and they had a steering committee, our

1432
02:07:07,010 --> 02:07:10,550
the city of Clovis, had a member on that committee that we appointed at unfold.

1433
02:07:11,570 --> 02:07:19,910
And the process that went through the steering committee ultimately couldn't even get something that the cog process could complete.

1434
02:07:19,910 --> 02:07:25,550
And so I just think that's a big part of this, too, and when we see the public coming

1435
02:07:25,550 --> 02:07:29,630
forward and saying, I'm against all of it, I think there's a lot of the process and

1436
02:07:29,630 --> 02:07:34,650
procedure that went through that has caused people to have a lot of hesitation and gives

1437
02:07:34,650 --> 02:07:36,850
them a lot of pause about it, too.

1438
02:07:37,750 --> 02:07:44,770
What my question of the Garce of the Process, as you guys sent me, so what out of the product

1439
02:07:44,770 --> 02:07:47,310
is wrong with the product.

1440
02:07:47,770 --> 02:07:51,430
What is wrong with what the process developed?

1441
02:07:52,190 --> 02:07:55,710
Because I think that that process was approved unanimously

1442
02:07:55,710 --> 02:07:58,430
by all 16 members.

1443
02:07:59,130 --> 02:08:01,530
Say, we will not sit on this committee.

1444
02:08:02,490 --> 02:08:05,670
So everyone voted for it, including me.

1445
02:08:05,810 --> 02:08:08,970
And we said we would allow public members to go on.

1446
02:08:08,970 --> 02:08:14,810
So we incorporated our own Clovis represented onto it.

1447
02:08:15,010 --> 02:08:17,870
So I keep hearing that in the public going,

1448
02:08:18,390 --> 02:08:19,590
it was hijack, it was hijack.

1449
02:08:19,610 --> 02:08:23,790
I keep going, show me in the paper, where did they hijack?

1450
02:08:24,150 --> 02:08:24,690
What number?

1451
02:08:25,690 --> 02:08:27,250
Because it still has to come a number.

1452
02:08:28,310 --> 02:08:30,650
And until you say, you just can't call people names

1453
02:08:30,650 --> 02:08:32,330
and go all that, that's a winning argument.

1454
02:08:32,670 --> 02:08:36,710
No, what number is it that produce something

1455
02:08:36,710 --> 02:08:39,190
and which this city cannot live with.

1456
02:08:39,450 --> 02:08:41,790
Because in every meeting that I've been in,

1457
02:08:41,930 --> 02:08:43,890
so we allow the steering committee to meet

1458
02:08:43,890 --> 02:08:45,250
and it brings it back.

1459
02:08:45,770 --> 02:08:47,350
And then I meet with our staff,

1460
02:08:47,610 --> 02:08:49,230
and I say, here it is, here's the latest.

1461
02:08:49,730 --> 02:08:51,450
What can we not live with?

1462
02:08:51,910 --> 02:08:54,790
Amy, you know, Paul, Andy.

1463
02:08:55,630 --> 02:08:59,910
Every time we went to the process and said,

1464
02:09:00,310 --> 02:09:03,430
hey, you say here to your point, Drew,

1465
02:09:04,290 --> 02:09:09,210
This, this road, it can't be new construction, you can 5% new construction automatically.

1466
02:09:10,270 --> 02:09:14,570
But if it's for safety, so we'll just talk about the radio towers, okay?

1467
02:09:14,630 --> 02:09:15,830
The radio towers are in a lovelier.

1468
02:09:16,690 --> 02:09:21,570
If you complete the street, because it's a safety, you can use it.

1469
02:09:21,610 --> 02:09:22,810
And you know what you can build?

1470
02:09:23,710 --> 02:09:25,890
The sidewalk and the bike lane.

1471
02:09:26,890 --> 02:09:28,310
Okay, so you can do that.

1472
02:09:28,530 --> 02:09:32,830
In other words, right here in a sunny side, in front of you, Mr. Torrino, we could have used it.

1473
02:09:32,830 --> 02:09:36,610
Over there, safe streets, we can build the sidewalk itself.

1474
02:09:37,510 --> 02:09:40,190
This new measure, which didn't talk to anyone,

1475
02:09:41,250 --> 02:09:42,070
didn't talk to anyone.

1476
02:09:42,930 --> 02:09:44,470
Just said, boom, here it is.

1477
02:09:44,590 --> 02:09:45,690
We don't like the other one here.

1478
02:09:46,410 --> 02:09:49,830
Our measure talked to thousands and thousands of people.

1479
02:09:51,110 --> 02:09:54,970
And then it goes, okay, what is it that you need?

1480
02:09:55,450 --> 02:10:01,150
We can now do a project, a sidewalk, okay?

1481
02:10:01,150 --> 02:10:03,650
I'm pleading outside work without any issues.

1482
02:10:04,150 --> 02:10:05,350
Now with regards to the consolidation,

1483
02:10:06,310 --> 02:10:10,750
well, let me address just the regards to what happened.

1484
02:10:10,950 --> 02:10:14,850
When it came back, the simple math was this,

1485
02:10:15,190 --> 02:10:19,730
16% regional, so instead of going regional,

1486
02:10:19,850 --> 02:10:22,670
we did that 40 years, all the mayors,

1487
02:10:22,790 --> 02:10:24,050
and the steering community said,

1488
02:10:24,530 --> 02:10:25,530
let's just move that.

1489
02:10:25,570 --> 02:10:26,810
Don't touch anything else.

1490
02:10:27,150 --> 02:10:28,650
Let's just move that to cities.

1491
02:10:28,830 --> 02:10:29,750
You control it now.

1492
02:10:30,470 --> 02:10:34,130
And the mayor's majority of the mayor said, that sounds good.

1493
02:10:34,590 --> 02:10:39,050
We've done regional for 40 years, and so now let's just move it over.

1494
02:10:40,030 --> 02:10:42,230
And at the meeting, we asked all the mayor.

1495
02:10:42,350 --> 02:10:44,070
I was the one who asked all the mayor's.

1496
02:10:44,070 --> 02:10:45,210
All days was went to regional.

1497
02:10:46,470 --> 02:10:48,750
How much are you willing to give back to put into regional?

1498
02:10:50,090 --> 02:10:50,450
Really?

1499
02:10:51,230 --> 02:10:51,670
Collinga?

1500
02:10:52,030 --> 02:10:52,470
Clovis?

1501
02:10:52,870 --> 02:10:53,730
I'll put in one percent.

1502
02:10:53,910 --> 02:10:54,310
How about you?

1503
02:10:54,410 --> 02:10:55,230
Just to get it back?

1504
02:10:55,310 --> 02:10:56,850
No one wanted to get money back.

1505
02:10:57,670 --> 02:10:58,290
Get more money.

1506
02:10:58,370 --> 02:10:58,990
We're going to keep it.

1507
02:10:58,990 --> 02:11:04,690
we're going to fix our roads. Okay, we're going to fix this in our city. So in other words,

1508
02:11:05,050 --> 02:11:11,930
it's not hard, we're just bringing it back and allowed us to do that. With regards to trails,

1509
02:11:12,310 --> 02:11:18,530
we can actually improve southwest trails with this money, without any match. If you go for a match,

1510
02:11:18,990 --> 02:11:23,310
what does the Fed say? Oh, the Fed said it has to be there. There's to be over there. What does the state say?

1511
02:11:23,310 --> 02:11:26,130
It has to be this type, that type, it has to be paved.

1512
02:11:27,450 --> 02:11:30,470
When we argued for what we advocated for it,

1513
02:11:30,830 --> 02:11:32,730
we said it has to still be dirt,

1514
02:11:32,990 --> 02:11:34,510
because our FID trails are dirt.

1515
02:11:34,670 --> 02:11:36,990
And if you don't allow it, globalists is out.

1516
02:11:37,390 --> 02:11:39,250
Whether they're committee, they're crazy committee,

1517
02:11:39,350 --> 02:11:40,190
what do they say?

1518
02:11:40,510 --> 02:11:41,930
Sounds good, globalists.

1519
02:11:42,230 --> 02:11:43,050
We'll let you have it.

1520
02:11:43,050 --> 02:11:43,850
You know what Fresno said?

1521
02:11:44,390 --> 02:11:46,150
We got a lot of FID trails too.

1522
02:11:46,370 --> 02:11:47,510
We want the same deal.

1523
02:11:47,930 --> 02:11:48,950
And we got that.

1524
02:11:49,230 --> 02:11:51,110
So in other words, it allows us to do that,

1525
02:11:51,230 --> 02:11:53,050
to fix the trails that we've never had

1526
02:11:53,050 --> 02:11:56,730
in the Southwest and to just do it without having to fix the road itself.

1527
02:11:57,250 --> 02:12:03,590
The flexibility is in the 65% that goes to the entire complete street.

1528
02:12:04,210 --> 02:12:10,130
Street is only 50% in the new measure that fix our roads.

1529
02:12:10,570 --> 02:12:14,490
50 only and that only touches the pavement you go on the roads.

1530
02:12:15,230 --> 02:12:20,590
You want to do the bike lane match to it and you also want to do the sidewalk, get a match.

1531
02:12:21,610 --> 02:12:23,150
How are you going to get a match?

1532
02:12:23,710 --> 02:12:24,430
How can you match?

1533
02:12:24,950 --> 02:12:26,890
You know what we also asked for from the crazies?

1534
02:12:27,390 --> 02:12:30,430
You said, okay, we can't build new roads.

1535
02:12:30,730 --> 02:12:32,070
I'm good with that.

1536
02:12:32,090 --> 02:12:33,830
I'll allow us to maintain new roads.

1537
02:12:34,270 --> 02:12:35,050
You know what they said?

1538
02:12:35,690 --> 02:12:36,730
That sounds good.

1539
02:12:37,150 --> 02:12:38,950
10 years you may need to fix.

1540
02:12:39,170 --> 02:12:41,030
It's 70% 80% now.

1541
02:12:41,250 --> 02:12:43,190
We want you to be able to maintain it.

1542
02:12:43,330 --> 02:12:43,990
That's what we wanted.

1543
02:12:44,430 --> 02:12:45,330
We got that.

1544
02:12:45,530 --> 02:12:46,650
What else did I ask for?

1545
02:12:46,650 --> 02:12:47,450
I said,

1546
02:12:51,350 --> 02:12:54,510
the crazy said, okay, we're going to keep using that word because they keep saying

1547
02:12:54,510 --> 02:12:58,470
they're crazy, but I feel like they're pretty reasonable, they keep going, okay, you have

1548
02:12:58,470 --> 02:13:00,510
to go to this advantage communities first.

1549
02:13:01,270 --> 02:13:05,350
I said, no, Clovis is 70% average already, we don't go to Clovis, this advantage means

1550
02:13:05,350 --> 02:13:13,210
so we go to the bad roads first, allow us to fix the road according to our rules, and they

1551
02:13:13,210 --> 02:13:16,330
said, that's fine, Clovis, you can do that.

1552
02:13:17,230 --> 02:13:22,610
And so these are the things that we negotiate

1553
02:13:22,610 --> 02:13:24,090
for with our staff.

1554
02:13:24,570 --> 02:13:26,290
We got every single one.

1555
02:13:26,750 --> 02:13:28,450
Clovis likes complete streets.

1556
02:13:28,750 --> 02:13:29,810
We like our trails.

1557
02:13:29,970 --> 02:13:31,690
We don't want to be restricted by that.

1558
02:13:32,050 --> 02:13:36,510
And the other thing that is lost in all this until you read it

1559
02:13:36,510 --> 02:13:46,590
is better road safe streets has cap, 1% admin, none of these are consultant fees and all that.

1560
02:13:46,690 --> 02:13:53,310
You know what fix our roads does? 1% admin. But hey, if it's for this, you can add another

1561
02:13:53,310 --> 02:13:58,690
percent. If it's for regional transit, you can get 5% more on top of that. You can get one

1562
02:13:58,690 --> 02:14:05,330
to 2% on that. So notice every one of the categories we see, they allow consultants to charge

1563
02:14:05,330 --> 02:14:12,730
public for more. And the committee, our member, with everybody said, no, no, no, no, no,

1564
02:14:12,730 --> 02:14:17,310
we're not paying consultants, we're not paying counter-trans. You asked about what about,

1565
02:14:18,050 --> 02:14:27,470
the Tier 1. I looked at the Tier 1 projects, and it was scary, because there are

1566
02:14:27,470 --> 02:14:34,180
what, where are the Tier 1? I wrote it down, because I wanted to see how many of our

1567
02:14:34,180 --> 02:14:41,760
projects, 19 of the 31 account trans, 1.5 to billion dollars go to

1568
02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:47,380
account trans if those get approved. Clovers is way at the bottom and they just hope

1569
02:14:47,380 --> 02:14:55,660
it can fix tier one. And then account trans to get that plus 5% on top of the one

1570
02:14:55,660 --> 02:14:59,980
percent. To go do this. So I said, no, you're not doing

1571
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:07,240
And now, you're not taking any more monies from us. You are not. It only has a regional only $702 million.

1572
02:15:07,820 --> 02:15:14,820
So those dream on Clovis, you know, that you're going to get your regional projects in. So we're not going to get that. So good.

1573
02:15:15,100 --> 02:15:26,760
Don't put it in regional. Give it to us. Let us work. Let us deal with it. They don't be the best. Best for us. Now with regards to consolidation, you have to read it.

1574
02:15:26,760 --> 02:15:29,480
You have to read it to get to where we're at.

1575
02:15:29,680 --> 02:15:33,200
It says here, a consolidation.

1576
02:15:35,480 --> 02:15:37,740
Transit consolidated in shallow,

1577
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:41,540
be systematically implemented within a one-year timeframe

1578
02:15:41,540 --> 02:15:46,260
result in a consolidated county-wide transit agency

1579
02:15:46,260 --> 02:15:48,860
by December 31, 2030.

1580
02:15:49,100 --> 02:15:50,680
That sounds pretty firm.

1581
02:15:50,700 --> 02:15:52,480
It's not a half you want to.

1582
02:15:52,940 --> 02:15:55,480
That's a pretty much aiming too bad.

1583
02:15:55,480 --> 02:15:58,920
Facts is bigger, paying our buses facts now.

1584
02:15:59,160 --> 02:16:00,160
You see, by 2030.

1585
02:16:01,360 --> 02:16:02,740
And so we're gonna know, no, no, no,

1586
02:16:02,740 --> 02:16:04,180
Clovis does it well.

1587
02:16:04,880 --> 02:16:06,060
Clovis does it really well.

1588
02:16:06,360 --> 02:16:08,000
Back to the math problem with transit.

1589
02:16:08,160 --> 02:16:10,240
Transit is 24% now.

1590
02:16:11,640 --> 02:16:12,720
It's gonna go down to 16.

1591
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:18,220
I just ask us again, who of the 200,000 people

1592
02:16:18,220 --> 02:16:20,060
in this community we want to not serve?

1593
02:16:20,420 --> 02:16:20,980
The elderly?

1594
02:16:21,800 --> 02:16:22,280
They're disabled?

1595
02:16:23,040 --> 02:16:23,620
The students?

1596
02:16:23,620 --> 02:16:28,640
which route do we want to take away? Because it's done to be automatically that way.

1597
02:16:28,920 --> 02:16:31,220
And after consolidation we're not going to get it either.

1598
02:16:32,040 --> 02:16:36,460
This allows us to do what's great already and with additional dollars.

1599
02:16:37,040 --> 02:16:38,500
More dollars for transit.

1600
02:16:39,300 --> 02:16:44,060
And so it makes perfect sincerity. Flexibility, it's us.

1601
02:16:44,380 --> 02:16:50,760
Local control us. Sorry, Lynn, you were on FCTA, but you were one vote out of five, which was equal.

1602
02:16:50,760 --> 02:16:56,960
So, cog our percentage of population counts in the cog meeting.

1603
02:16:57,400 --> 02:17:02,100
Our mayor will represent us in cog, no second body at all.

1604
02:17:02,240 --> 02:17:07,220
It'll just be mayors looking after their own dollars, looking after their own governance

1605
02:17:07,220 --> 02:17:10,100
of it, and going, this is what's best.

1606
02:17:10,900 --> 02:17:14,120
That is what is listed here, that is what is important.

1607
02:17:14,120 --> 02:17:21,720
And so I want us to read it, know it, see where it's at, and see if that makes sense.

1608
02:17:22,140 --> 02:17:24,060
I know the better road safe streets.

1609
02:17:24,380 --> 02:17:25,320
It's not perfect.

1610
02:17:26,060 --> 02:17:26,920
It's not perfect.

1611
02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:32,880
But it gives us the most amount of money, the most amount of control, and the most amount

1612
02:17:32,880 --> 02:17:36,300
of flexibility to do what we want, and what we have.

1613
02:17:36,700 --> 02:17:41,780
Then if we think that the other one sounds better because it's a bloated number of 80

1614
02:17:41,780 --> 02:17:42,760
something percent for roads.

1615
02:17:42,760 --> 02:17:50,560
it's not, it's only 50%. Active transportation, you need a match. And they write it. They don't

1616
02:17:50,560 --> 02:17:56,280
hide it. They put it very clearly, and I have to show you, because they know I read this stuff.

1617
02:17:58,120 --> 02:18:06,560
See, on page 12, this is matching fund requirement. So in other words, you have to go find a match

1618
02:18:06,560 --> 02:18:10,760
If you don't, don't think about that trail, don't think about that side one.

1619
02:18:11,400 --> 02:18:14,680
This allows us to give whatever clothe is needs.

1620
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:20,680
And if it's not a road, 65%, we can still do a sidewalk, we still do a trail.

1621
02:18:21,940 --> 02:18:28,440
That's what Clovis wants, that's what Clovis needs, and this gives us the most.

1622
02:18:28,840 --> 02:18:34,960
And for 30 years, even more dollars of a plan that is already set that we can do.

1623
02:18:34,960 --> 02:18:39,780
So I just wanted to say that because I was involved in it in the past.

1624
02:18:39,960 --> 02:18:45,020
You have trusted, or we have trusted each other when we place each other into committees.

1625
02:18:45,480 --> 02:18:50,220
When Matt goes to the safety committee of Cal Cities or Drew, and he comes back and

1626
02:18:50,220 --> 02:18:56,660
go, hey, this is a resolution or a policy we should support, you went to it, we trust you.

1627
02:18:56,840 --> 02:18:57,640
That's good.

1628
02:18:57,980 --> 02:19:04,340
And if today we go, no, wrong, you went, but you're just the mayor, but you don't know what

1629
02:19:04,340 --> 02:19:09,040
doing, you didn't read anything, you didn't go with the staff. Then that would go, well,

1630
02:19:09,080 --> 02:19:14,800
you didn't believe Andy, you didn't believe Paul, you didn't believe Amy, you didn't believe Sean,

1631
02:19:15,100 --> 02:19:20,300
you didn't believe Thad when we reviewed this all, because they were involved intimately

1632
02:19:20,300 --> 02:19:25,980
throughout. If other cities were involved, that's great for them too, but if they did what we did,

1633
02:19:26,080 --> 02:19:32,540
they would go, this gives us the most amount of dollars, that's bang for our buck. And finally,

1634
02:19:32,540 --> 02:19:38,960
you said about Jenny, you said about the community and think of everyone as a whole.

1635
02:19:39,220 --> 02:19:40,400
You're right, we do.

1636
02:19:40,880 --> 02:19:44,780
We appreciate those who come and spend dollars here because it's their tax dollars when

1637
02:19:44,780 --> 02:19:45,980
they're coming and spend here.

1638
02:19:46,400 --> 02:19:51,340
But we will also go on their roads every once in a while and think they deserve it as well.

1639
02:19:51,800 --> 02:19:57,140
And so I think they deserve money within their towns to fix their pot holes and this gives

1640
02:19:57,140 --> 02:19:58,020
them more of it.

1641
02:19:58,020 --> 02:20:04,780
We were getting three something percent. Now we will get seven something seven point two something percent of measure

1642
02:20:04,780 --> 02:20:10,200
$C dollars. That's almost a doubling and why not take that doubling up dollars for us to control.

1643
02:20:13,550 --> 02:20:19,010
I don't have too much more to add to that. Thank you. I think there's a couple of just maybe final points on what you said.

1644
02:20:19,750 --> 02:20:25,070
So, Clovis has had a long through line of measure C dating back. I don't know. Did Harry join him FSCT in 1986?

1645
02:20:25,070 --> 02:20:32,930
All right, so you served for let's call it 30 years until he left in 2016 and I've served on FCC since then.

1646
02:20:33,210 --> 02:20:39,330
I was also the co-chair in 2006, I was the co-chair in 2022, and started off this process in

1647
02:20:39,330 --> 02:20:45,430
2026. And I want to just reinforce a few points. So first of all, the process was not hijacked.

1648
02:20:45,810 --> 02:20:52,830
It was not by socialist communist liberal wackos. That language is so distasteful. It doesn't help a thing.

1649
02:20:52,830 --> 02:20:54,410
And it wasn't actually true.

1650
02:20:54,670 --> 02:20:56,690
Nobody walked out and said, if we don't get our way,

1651
02:20:56,790 --> 02:20:57,650
we're not going to do it anymore.

1652
02:20:57,870 --> 02:21:00,670
None of that is true, but it is a popular talking point

1653
02:21:00,670 --> 02:21:02,870
on radio stations and newspapers.

1654
02:21:03,750 --> 02:21:07,610
So for someone in the room, like the Alexander Hamilton play,

1655
02:21:08,470 --> 02:21:11,190
in the room when it happened, none of that happened.

1656
02:21:11,270 --> 02:21:12,970
So I think we need to be very careful

1657
02:21:12,970 --> 02:21:15,910
on the narrative that gets talked about these things.

1658
02:21:16,670 --> 02:21:21,030
From a local control perspective, better roads,

1659
02:21:21,030 --> 02:21:28,170
safe streets is about local control. The 65% rose, I just want to reiterate that, is 65%

1660
02:21:28,170 --> 02:21:35,930
rose full stop. Fixed our roads is touting 82% rose, bigger number, that sounds kind of cool.

1661
02:21:36,410 --> 02:21:43,450
It's really 50% rose, 16% flexible, which to some in government or to some in the public,

1662
02:21:43,650 --> 02:21:47,070
what are you going to do with that? It's also how this city of Fresno is going to have to pay for the

1663
02:21:47,070 --> 02:21:50,550
airport. It's going to have to make up their transit shortfalls.

1664
02:21:50,550 --> 02:21:56,310
So, for the city of Fresno, which may be not my interest in this moment, that money is not for roads.

1665
02:21:56,410 --> 02:22:00,550
So, selling it as it's an 82% roads is absolutely false.

1666
02:22:01,030 --> 02:22:05,610
The counter-trans projects, as I said, are really a carryover from 2020, whatever the last

1667
02:22:05,610 --> 02:22:08,530
one was 2022, no public input.

1668
02:22:08,830 --> 02:22:11,990
Understand, no public input has gone into fix our roads.

1669
02:22:11,990 --> 02:22:16,930
We're talking zero, and that's a little bit hard to understand how we're going to try to get

1670
02:22:16,930 --> 02:22:19,930
people to support it when they didn't have any chance to put input.

1671
02:22:19,930 --> 02:22:22,950
I think the other point on the admin fees is notable.

1672
02:22:24,090 --> 02:22:25,810
20-year measure, fix our roads,

1673
02:22:25,810 --> 02:22:28,530
103 million dollars admin fees.

1674
02:22:29,270 --> 02:22:32,530
Better roads, safer streets, 30 years, 73 million.

1675
02:22:33,370 --> 02:22:36,450
So 30 more million in a 10-year less measure.

1676
02:22:36,550 --> 02:22:41,690
That's notable and it is really a consulted funded measure.

1677
02:22:41,910 --> 02:22:44,030
So there will be consultants making a lot of money

1678
02:22:44,030 --> 02:22:46,610
in fix our roads based on the formula.

1679
02:22:46,610 --> 02:22:52,870
The other advantage of 30-year metrics at Diane's point has been 20, both times, but 30 years

1680
02:22:52,870 --> 02:22:54,510
gives you a chance to bond against it.

1681
02:22:54,530 --> 02:22:58,770
If we had a large transportation project that needed some bonding capacity, it's not going

1682
02:22:58,770 --> 02:23:00,470
to come from a 20-year revenue source.

1683
02:23:00,570 --> 02:23:02,250
It's going to come from a 30-year revenue source.

1684
02:23:03,010 --> 02:23:08,990
So I think to have long, longs point, we, as a Council, have had norms broken, often on,

1685
02:23:08,990 --> 02:23:13,770
mostly on for the last three and a half years, we used to trust the people that are in

1686
02:23:13,770 --> 02:23:14,470
the room.

1687
02:23:14,470 --> 02:23:17,210
whether it was me, whether it was drew with the Arab Lord.

1688
02:23:17,250 --> 02:23:18,750
We didn't go to the Arab Lord and go, hey, Drew,

1689
02:23:19,130 --> 02:23:20,450
I know you're our city representative,

1690
02:23:20,510 --> 02:23:21,570
but we got a different idea.

1691
02:23:21,790 --> 02:23:23,310
We just, that isn't how that worked.

1692
02:23:23,630 --> 02:23:24,930
That's not how we do it today.

1693
02:23:25,270 --> 02:23:28,870
So we're here because we have evaluated it

1694
02:23:28,870 --> 02:23:30,050
me from my engagement,

1695
02:23:30,530 --> 02:23:33,930
long from his, you trusted us to do that about what's best for

1696
02:23:33,930 --> 02:23:34,310
Clovis.

1697
02:23:34,450 --> 02:23:36,570
It is not perfect, a long point.

1698
02:23:37,170 --> 02:23:39,210
And it is also not just about Clovis.

1699
02:23:39,290 --> 02:23:40,390
We live in a county.

1700
02:23:41,030 --> 02:23:43,790
We cannot be happy if we say, oh, you know what?

1701
02:23:43,790 --> 02:23:47,330
It doesn't matter if a man told it doesn't get anybody because we don't live there, we don't care.

1702
02:23:48,010 --> 02:23:50,830
No, that's not how this county is going to thrive together.

1703
02:23:51,290 --> 02:23:54,710
There are somebody on the radio who said not too long ago, well, if somebody wants to come here from Crowther,

1704
02:23:54,790 --> 02:23:56,510
they should just buy a car or call a Uber.

1705
02:23:57,310 --> 02:23:59,930
I'm going to bet if they live in Crowther's and could do either of those things.

1706
02:23:59,930 --> 02:24:01,150
That's exactly what they would do.

1707
02:24:01,310 --> 02:24:02,370
But they can't do that.

1708
02:24:02,770 --> 02:24:06,870
So we have an obligation that knit our county together over 30 years.

1709
02:24:07,270 --> 02:24:09,730
There's room for innovation and better roads, safer streets.

1710
02:24:09,730 --> 02:24:11,570
It's not the same thing for the next 30 years.

1711
02:24:11,690 --> 02:24:13,110
We can't even imagine 30 years.

1712
02:24:13,110 --> 02:24:17,390
now I won't be around to see it for sure. We're trying to leave something behind that's an interesting

1713
02:24:17,390 --> 02:24:24,190
transportation system, not just roads everywhere you look. So I just think there is more to the

1714
02:24:24,190 --> 02:24:29,750
better roads safer streets measure. It's better for Clovis. It's better for the county. We have support

1715
02:24:29,750 --> 02:24:35,130
from end to end in our county and it's really from the city of Clovis's perspective. We will be fine

1716
02:24:35,130 --> 02:24:42,550
and we do well in this measure. The things that matter to us, Clovis transit trails are protected and

1717
02:24:42,550 --> 02:24:46,330
And I just, I would just simply say, under-fix our roads,

1718
02:24:46,330 --> 02:24:48,230
Clovis Transit is dead as we know it.

1719
02:24:48,490 --> 02:24:49,830
That's it. We're going to have to tell our riders.

1720
02:24:50,230 --> 02:24:53,710
We're sorry, free-fares, sorry, new bus stops, nice,

1721
02:24:53,810 --> 02:24:54,610
but nothing's going to happen.

1722
02:24:54,630 --> 02:24:55,710
No one's ever going to stop there.

1723
02:24:56,250 --> 02:25:01,110
So losing control over Clovis Transit in my mind is enough to say,

1724
02:25:01,510 --> 02:25:02,650
that is not local control.

1725
02:25:02,990 --> 02:25:04,910
So Mr. Rollins, you said that was one of your criteria.

1726
02:25:05,450 --> 02:25:07,330
We're going to give that away in 5th our road.

1727
02:25:08,150 --> 02:25:12,150
So I think both of them, and I have hundreds of hours in this.

1728
02:25:12,150 --> 02:25:14,730
We've done our homework, we weren't late to the game,

1729
02:25:14,810 --> 02:25:16,030
we didn't show up in a press conference.

1730
02:25:16,170 --> 02:25:17,490
Okay, we've got this now.

1731
02:25:18,050 --> 02:25:19,950
No, we've done the work, we've done the math,

1732
02:25:20,030 --> 02:25:20,870
we've worked with staff.

1733
02:25:21,230 --> 02:25:24,150
So I feel really confident that better roads,

1734
02:25:24,310 --> 02:25:27,170
safer streets while I can't say for concerts in a row,

1735
02:25:27,650 --> 02:25:29,010
is really the right thing for Clovis.

1736
02:25:30,030 --> 02:25:31,610
So when you are ready,

1737
02:25:31,650 --> 02:25:32,930
I'd be willing to make a motion

1738
02:25:32,930 --> 02:25:34,810
that our resolution includes support

1739
02:25:35,750 --> 02:25:37,790
for better roads, safer streets,

1740
02:25:38,910 --> 02:25:40,670
for the transportation funding in the county.

1741
02:25:41,610 --> 02:25:47,270
Yeah, I think that's a lot to give an alternate perspective too, and I don't think there's

1742
02:25:47,270 --> 02:25:52,770
any question of trust in people who are in the room, et cetera, et cetera.

1743
02:25:53,310 --> 02:25:57,570
But I think, again, there's a perception of how the process went.

1744
02:25:58,070 --> 02:26:03,970
And I actually think you articulated it very well, Mayor, when you said, I asked the crazies

1745
02:26:03,970 --> 02:26:05,830
if Clovis could have this.

1746
02:26:05,830 --> 02:26:08,150
And, unfortunately, that's the problem.

1747
02:26:08,270 --> 02:26:13,370
I don't think the people of Clovis felt that there was a need to have to ask the crazies

1748
02:26:13,370 --> 02:26:18,970
for what we wanted and what we needed and the process that started out with the steering

1749
02:26:18,970 --> 02:26:26,270
committee had representation for each jurisdiction for relevant parties and all of that.

1750
02:26:26,350 --> 02:26:31,030
And that was one person for the city of Clovis that we said this will be someone who will

1751
02:26:31,030 --> 02:26:37,790
percent our interests and then at some point along the way you asked for what number is it

1752
02:26:37,790 --> 02:26:42,770
that gave people concern I think the number was 12 and that's how many of those what you

1753
02:26:42,770 --> 02:26:48,230
called crazy's were brought on to the steering committee at that point and altered the entire

1754
02:26:48,230 --> 02:26:55,470
dynamics of the process and so we can you know go over numbers and talk about this in that but

1755
02:26:55,470 --> 02:27:00,670
again what we're doing is we're putting something forward to ask the voters of Fresno County to

1756
02:27:00,670 --> 02:27:08,150
say, we want you to continue this have since sales tax measure county wide, and here's

1757
02:27:08,150 --> 02:27:13,090
what we've brought forward to you. And so I think it's not surprising that people would

1758
02:27:13,090 --> 02:27:18,490
have, again, some angst and some concern about haul of this came out. If that number of

1759
02:27:18,490 --> 02:27:23,910
12 hadn't happened and you weren't sitting here having to say, I asked the crazies for this.

1760
02:27:24,310 --> 02:27:29,650
If that fixed a better road safe streets had come out of that process had gone to cog, had gone

1761
02:27:29,650 --> 02:27:33,970
to the Board of Supervisors and done what everyone was expecting it to do. I think this would

1762
02:27:33,970 --> 02:27:40,690
be an entirely different conversation. But I also think it is imperative again to be honest

1763
02:27:40,690 --> 02:27:46,230
about what local control is and what flexibility is and there's a lot of prescriptiveness in the

1764
02:27:46,230 --> 02:27:50,430
better road safe streets. One of the main things that came out of the public engagement not only

1765
02:27:50,430 --> 02:27:55,350
was fix our roads, fix our roads, fix our roads, fix our roads. But it was we have a lot of congestion.

1766
02:27:55,350 --> 02:28:05,570
And we want to alleviate congestion and to say that we can't add driving lanes unless we also add a certain miles of bike lanes and sidewalks.

1767
02:28:05,650 --> 02:28:12,270
And we must do complete streets. That's not necessarily what every single jurisdiction for as no county wants or needs to do.

1768
02:28:12,610 --> 02:28:18,450
And so to force that on them when just because it might work for us, again, this is a county-white thing.

1769
02:28:18,450 --> 02:28:20,170
And we have to be mindful of that.

1770
02:28:20,430 --> 02:28:23,430
But again, I think it is so much about the process

1771
02:28:23,430 --> 02:28:29,050
that has given people an unease about what's come out of it.

1772
02:28:29,050 --> 02:28:32,410
And just because Pixar roads didn't go through that process,

1773
02:28:32,570 --> 02:28:34,950
it could have been what it came out of the cog process

1774
02:28:34,950 --> 02:28:38,130
in the steering committee if it had had its natural course.

1775
02:28:38,490 --> 02:28:40,270
We don't really know because we'll never know

1776
02:28:40,270 --> 02:28:43,050
we had extra people put on that committee.

1777
02:28:43,630 --> 02:28:44,750
So it's just one of those things.

1778
02:28:44,870 --> 02:28:45,970
We are where we are now.

1779
02:28:45,970 --> 02:28:52,890
We have a couple of options, and you know, to staff has said, hey, we need a measure to pass,

1780
02:28:53,030 --> 02:28:58,210
and I respect that. But I do think that there are legitimate reasons to have differences of

1781
02:28:58,210 --> 02:29:04,190
opinion about which one is best. But again, I still see the local control and the flexibility

1782
02:29:04,190 --> 02:29:10,230
being in one. And you know, also as far as matching funds go, there are so many projects that come

1783
02:29:10,230 --> 02:29:15,770
forward from staff where they have gotten matching funds to enable us to do more with less.

1784
02:29:15,770 --> 02:29:21,990
That's just another element that makes sense in how we do things when it comes to transit,

1785
02:29:22,070 --> 02:29:25,150
when it comes to roads and all of these different projects.

1786
02:29:25,530 --> 02:29:31,030
So the fact that one measure actually allowed for that and made room for that and said,

1787
02:29:31,270 --> 02:29:32,850
hey, we do want matching dollars.

1788
02:29:33,390 --> 02:29:34,610
I don't think that's a bad thing.

1789
02:29:34,630 --> 02:29:38,570
That's what we do all the time when we bring these things forward because we don't have

1790
02:29:38,570 --> 02:29:40,270
the resources to do it all ourselves.

1791
02:29:40,770 --> 02:29:43,210
And so to again force that on jurisdictions,

1792
02:29:43,210 --> 02:29:48,370
I don't think is the right way to go to allow for that to say, hey, this is an opportunity to find matching funds.

1793
02:29:48,510 --> 02:29:49,510
We're doing it all the time.

1794
02:29:50,050 --> 02:29:54,470
So it's not necessarily a bad thing to have that as part of the FixR Road's measure.

1795
02:29:55,950 --> 02:29:59,970
I don't think you understood.

1796
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:08,400
Student, when I said, I asked, that was the process we agreed to, steering committee means it

1797
02:30:08,400 --> 02:30:15,000
bring it back to cog, then the cog gives the input. That's the ask. That's what happened, and

1798
02:30:15,000 --> 02:30:22,400
we followed that process. And so what I mean, you didn't have to ask. Everything that came

1799
02:30:22,400 --> 02:30:29,980
of the string committee was over 80% 90% approval and still there were things that the call can

1800
02:30:29,980 --> 02:30:39,300
still change and so you know in the whole entire time it was never the ones that I guess

1801
02:30:39,300 --> 02:30:47,820
us conservators feared that created all the chaos in this process. It was our peers who caused

1802
02:30:47,820 --> 02:30:59,400
all this chaos. They did not stay. They did not value and honor their vote. They did not participate in the process to see what would come out.

1803
02:30:59,860 --> 02:31:08,680
And if you did it, and I just asked everyone, go read it. You see, many of us have talking points, transit, bad, whatever.

1804
02:31:08,680 --> 02:31:12,320
They did this, hijacked that, no, we just treated.

1805
02:31:13,220 --> 02:31:15,180
Colvers is a smart city, we got a read.

1806
02:31:15,720 --> 02:31:19,480
And when we read it, we go, oh, this makes much more sense.

1807
02:31:19,820 --> 02:31:21,740
And if you look at the record, you go,

1808
02:31:21,760 --> 02:31:24,080
that was a much better process.

1809
02:31:25,140 --> 02:31:26,500
And with regards to the match,

1810
02:31:26,780 --> 02:31:30,140
if it's required, there's no flexibility.

1811
02:31:30,940 --> 02:31:32,780
Right now, the flexibility means,

1812
02:31:33,400 --> 02:31:35,620
we can just go right now, fix the street

1813
02:31:35,620 --> 02:31:39,340
that Drew has had issues with right on a new view.

1814
02:31:40,380 --> 02:31:41,200
No match needed.

1815
02:31:41,780 --> 02:31:42,580
Can we still do match?

1816
02:31:42,940 --> 02:31:44,200
Do all the match we want?

1817
02:31:44,700 --> 02:31:45,380
Double the money.

1818
02:31:45,880 --> 02:31:48,780
But we can do the ones that Matt and you mentioned Ashland.

1819
02:31:49,180 --> 02:31:50,380
We can go fix right there.

1820
02:31:50,840 --> 02:31:54,840
So now it's a safe street so we can do it under two items now.

1821
02:31:55,100 --> 02:31:57,960
Just completing the street plus making it safe.

1822
02:31:59,680 --> 02:32:00,020
Match.

1823
02:32:00,020 --> 02:32:04,580
Look how long we've been looking for the matches to fix the northeast corner of, uh,

1824
02:32:04,580 --> 02:32:09,900
Clovis he's high school. I've been on this council eight years. I mentioned it the first year I came in

1825
02:32:11,060 --> 02:32:17,320
But if this passes we can fix it tomorrow. We'll get our reimbursements when Clovis fixes or when the land develops

1826
02:32:18,180 --> 02:32:24,420
That's how we do it. That's how we can do it much quicker flexibility is also in the quicker

1827
02:32:25,740 --> 02:32:29,000
And so I I just want to say to the residents.

1828
02:32:31,100 --> 02:32:31,580
I

1829
02:32:31,580 --> 02:32:38,020
I'm passionate about it because I was invested in it, not because of allegiances, not

1830
02:32:38,020 --> 02:32:43,420
because of, oh, I need to do that, no, Clovis deserves this.

1831
02:32:43,740 --> 02:32:49,400
Clovis deserves this, and if Clovis benefits, it lifts everyone up, it lifts everyone

1832
02:32:49,400 --> 02:32:49,620
up.

1833
02:32:49,780 --> 02:32:51,700
We are important in this process.

1834
02:32:52,200 --> 02:32:57,660
That's why they don't want us to support because it'll fail.

1835
02:32:57,660 --> 02:33:02,660
And if it fails, that's probably the only objective they have.

1836
02:33:03,140 --> 02:33:08,200
But we wanted to pass, we wanted to pass with it, seamless, and so that our staff can do

1837
02:33:08,200 --> 02:33:09,640
the great work that it's doing now.

1838
02:33:10,040 --> 02:33:17,220
And so I just wanted to respond because you said that, you know, I had to ask, that was our duty

1839
02:33:17,220 --> 02:33:18,200
to ask.

1840
02:33:18,480 --> 02:33:19,620
That was our duty to ask.

1841
02:33:19,920 --> 02:33:20,140
Good.

1842
02:33:20,840 --> 02:33:26,540
I'm going to do two things when I was on the second lens motion and give you an opportunity

1843
02:33:27,760 --> 02:33:34,740
the crazy, crazy comment, you were saying that they are, you're saying that other people

1844
02:33:34,740 --> 02:33:38,300
characterized people as, and it was unfair.

1845
02:33:39,760 --> 02:33:46,600
I want that to become, no, I think that's that's not what you're saying, no, I think

1846
02:33:46,600 --> 02:33:51,240
that people who have known me, you know, labels don't mean anything, you've got to meet

1847
02:33:51,240 --> 02:33:56,120
people face to face and that's what we did, and every time we met face to face, as

1848
02:33:56,120 --> 02:34:03,620
decent people and with respect, we can solve things, even with people we disagree with and that's

1849
02:34:03,620 --> 02:34:07,640
I think that's all we got. Thank you Drew for that clarification. And I didn't mean it in that

1850
02:34:07,640 --> 02:34:14,200
way anyway. That was a good culture. I also want to say in 2020, it's 20, it's 20, it's 26,

1851
02:34:14,960 --> 02:34:21,700
again, we had a steering committee of 40, including all the groups that are opposed it,

1852
02:34:21,700 --> 02:34:28,840
And it works, the fallacy that we can pass anything with only people that we agree with is insanity.

1853
02:34:29,640 --> 02:34:32,860
So I just think there's power in people that think differently than the rest of us.

1854
02:34:32,900 --> 02:34:35,120
And that's what the group was able to achieve.

1855
02:34:35,640 --> 02:34:40,400
And because it went back to cog at every step, the mirrors were the ones who had the final

1856
02:34:40,400 --> 02:34:42,140
stay at every step.

1857
02:34:42,440 --> 02:34:44,660
We elect them, they go to represent us.

1858
02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:51,280
So I think that the only thing that's crazy about that is the narrative that it's a great

1859
02:34:51,280 --> 02:34:56,780
talking point, that they were crazy, radical, socialist communist, and it's just, it's so

1860
02:34:56,780 --> 02:35:01,600
not true, and nothing about the process was worse because they engaged, it was actually

1861
02:35:01,600 --> 02:35:05,940
better, because we ended up with a measure, our commitment was one county, one plan.

1862
02:35:06,320 --> 02:35:11,100
We couldn't deliver that, not because of the sort of people we disagreed with, but because

1863
02:35:11,100 --> 02:35:12,540
of our peers to longs points.

1864
02:35:13,260 --> 02:35:17,280
So there's not a lot of honesty going on, it's, I often tell people, this isn't transportation

1865
02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:19,080
measure, it's a politics measure.

1866
02:35:19,080 --> 02:35:23,180
But I think this measure is good for Clovis and good for the whole.

1867
02:35:23,300 --> 02:35:25,380
And that's our job up here.

1868
02:35:26,880 --> 02:35:28,900
So motion stands for my second true.

1869
02:35:29,240 --> 02:35:34,800
Yeah, and final point because I feel like I am very invested.

1870
02:35:35,840 --> 02:35:41,300
Regardless of who you put on there, it still is, what's wrong with it?

1871
02:35:41,820 --> 02:35:42,900
What's wrong with it?

1872
02:35:42,940 --> 02:35:44,920
It's talk the numbers, let's talk the language.

1873
02:35:45,340 --> 02:35:46,520
It's never the language.

1874
02:35:46,520 --> 02:35:50,680
It's never the, it's always the name calling that gets thrown out there.

1875
02:35:51,180 --> 02:35:56,320
And so you can get a thousand people, it doesn't matter, it still comes out to what is in the measure.

1876
02:35:57,140 --> 02:36:01,380
And how do we divide those numbers up with the directions that it's given?

1877
02:36:02,300 --> 02:36:08,380
And when you look at the numbers on both, you will agree that, okay, this, this better

1878
02:36:09,900 --> 02:36:13,600
That is the best way forward.

1879
02:36:15,220 --> 02:36:16,720
Any other comments that we call?

1880
02:36:17,360 --> 02:36:17,840
It's their motion.

1881
02:36:18,640 --> 02:36:19,400
Meant the motion.

1882
02:36:19,680 --> 02:36:20,100
Drew, you second?

1883
02:36:21,640 --> 02:36:22,100
We have motion.

1884
02:36:22,800 --> 02:36:23,460
All those in favor.

1885
02:36:23,620 --> 02:36:24,440
If I was saying aye.

1886
02:36:25,180 --> 02:36:25,700
Any opposed?

1887
02:36:25,840 --> 02:36:26,340
No.

1888
02:36:26,540 --> 02:36:27,180
Motion passes.

1889
02:36:27,620 --> 02:36:28,420
Order one.

1890
02:36:28,680 --> 02:36:30,720
We will now move to item 13.

1891
02:36:31,600 --> 02:36:33,980
And this is 2026-2027.

1892
02:36:34,540 --> 02:36:35,000
Budget priorities.

1893
02:36:36,080 --> 02:36:45,900
let me back up to the slides here. I was getting a sneak peek. All right. Thank you, Mayor.

1894
02:36:46,540 --> 02:36:49,200
Thank you. Thank you.

1895
02:36:51,420 --> 02:37:05,200
So last week we had a five year forecast presented to Council that looked at our financial health and fitness for the next five years. Tonight, what we're looking for is to get some guidance on budget priorities.

1896
02:37:05,200 --> 02:37:10,940
to service levels, how much we should invest in capital, things like cars,

1897
02:37:11,520 --> 02:37:16,840
fleet, facilities, and what level of emergency reserves and basically our

1898
02:37:16,840 --> 02:37:20,300
checking account balance, our facilities and sustainability balance we should have.

1899
02:37:21,020 --> 02:37:23,720
So as a quick update on what we're at in the budget process, we've completed

1900
02:37:23,720 --> 02:37:28,100
department updates, we've done the measure of why oversight committee report, we did

1901
02:37:28,100 --> 02:37:31,240
the five or four cast last week, and now we are on to the City Council budget

1902
02:37:31,240 --> 02:37:37,880
session after this, staff will go and develop the budget and present it on May 18th to Council

1903
02:37:37,880 --> 02:37:44,360
for Consideration. Final votes will be in June. So the five-year forecast, we are going to

1904
02:37:44,360 --> 02:37:50,160
be focusing on the first year, the forecast tonight, and the red box there. And I am grateful

1905
02:37:50,160 --> 02:37:55,700
to say that our five-year forecast, and next year we are in a stable position. That is not

1906
02:37:55,700 --> 02:38:00,540
similar to many of our counterparts, other cities, and agencies around. So we are grateful

1907
02:38:00,540 --> 02:38:07,880
for that. In that five-year forecast, we are implementing your two of a plan to implement measure

1908
02:38:07,880 --> 02:38:13,560
why. So last year we did a lot of heavy lifting as a council, as a community to talk

1909
02:38:13,560 --> 02:38:18,480
through what kind of services we wanted to add. And this year we have represented those in

1910
02:38:18,480 --> 02:38:24,980
the forecast and in this presentation on the number of positions to be added. So we have 13 positions

1911
02:38:24,980 --> 02:38:29,420
in police, that's six officers and seven positions.

1912
02:38:29,660 --> 02:38:32,820
Those are things like CSOs, records, clerks.

1913
02:38:33,120 --> 02:38:36,320
And then fire, they have three positions to restore their support team.

1914
02:38:36,540 --> 02:38:39,840
They had incredible acceleration, thanks to some grants this last year.

1915
02:38:39,960 --> 02:38:40,780
Thanks to measure why.

1916
02:38:41,280 --> 02:38:45,000
And we just got to implement the first engine crew this morning.

1917
02:38:45,060 --> 02:38:46,260
That's funded by measure why.

1918
02:38:46,420 --> 02:38:47,560
So very excited about that.

1919
02:38:47,800 --> 02:38:51,960
And about eight weeks, we'll have the squad that wasn't planned to be implemented

1920
02:38:51,960 --> 02:38:54,780
until the second year this year.

1921
02:38:54,900 --> 02:38:57,000
But since we already able to do it, it's been included,

1922
02:38:57,060 --> 02:38:58,780
but it's not really a consideration

1923
02:38:58,780 --> 02:39:00,420
and councilority tick option on that.

1924
02:39:01,180 --> 02:39:04,580
We also get a chance to improve our streets in parks crews.

1925
02:39:05,000 --> 02:39:09,240
We have four positions in that area for parks,

1926
02:39:09,740 --> 02:39:12,940
and we have two positions in improving road maintenance.

1927
02:39:15,320 --> 02:39:17,160
And then we have some support positions for all goals.

1928
02:39:17,260 --> 02:39:19,340
A fleet mechanic, someone in IT,

1929
02:39:19,600 --> 02:39:21,320
and then personnel as well.

1930
02:39:21,320 --> 02:39:26,280
And then, adequately funding critical of emergency measures, and we'll get into that in a little bit.

1931
02:39:26,900 --> 02:39:30,260
So there are more things that we are doing with Measure Y that were funded last year.

1932
02:39:30,860 --> 02:39:33,840
I didn't want to go into super detail on that, but the sake of time.

1933
02:39:34,160 --> 02:39:38,980
But we're continuing to address those issues with the positions that we're allotted for last year.

1934
02:39:39,500 --> 02:39:45,620
And then through the budget process, if we find the ability through Measure Y to come back to Council within the guardrails, we're going to establish.

1935
02:39:45,880 --> 02:39:47,040
We'll try to do more.

1936
02:39:48,220 --> 02:39:56,440
So, if we adopted a budget with the information we know tonight, 88% would be going to maintaining

1937
02:39:56,440 --> 02:40:00,140
public safety, and then the balance is the other goals of the measure.

1938
02:40:00,420 --> 02:40:06,560
I want to call out one addressing homelessness is 2%, and that is two public safety officers

1939
02:40:06,560 --> 02:40:07,640
that are focused on homelessness.

1940
02:40:08,080 --> 02:40:11,440
So one can say 90% is going into public safety.

1941
02:40:11,980 --> 02:40:17,020
We have seen an increase in keeping close to safe and clean from 2% to 4% as well as

1942
02:40:17,020 --> 02:40:20,160
as repairing streets and roads from 2% to 4%.

1943
02:40:20,160 --> 02:40:22,060
So we're starting to see growth in those areas

1944
02:40:22,060 --> 02:40:23,680
as we move along in this plan.

1945
02:40:27,070 --> 02:40:29,830
Staff proposed in the forecast that we invest

1946
02:40:30,830 --> 02:40:32,670
a two million increase in our facilities.

1947
02:40:33,130 --> 02:40:35,390
There was a plan that was, or a assessment

1948
02:40:35,390 --> 02:40:38,090
that showed that we had about a two million dollar gap

1949
02:40:38,090 --> 02:40:39,810
to get there and start addressing some

1950
02:40:39,810 --> 02:40:41,270
of our backlog of maintenance.

1951
02:40:41,630 --> 02:40:42,850
So we even included that.

1952
02:40:43,070 --> 02:40:44,590
We'd love for feedback on that.

1953
02:40:45,710 --> 02:40:48,250
Next, our fleet, we have a one time catchup.

1954
02:40:48,250 --> 02:40:52,790
thanks to measure why that we can get our fleet fund into a correct position and then continue

1955
02:40:52,790 --> 02:40:55,510
$1 million in addition going forward.

1956
02:40:56,250 --> 02:40:58,890
So those are two things that were in the forecast as well.

1957
02:41:00,370 --> 02:41:05,350
When it comes to the emergency reserve and our checking balance, which is our general fund balance,

1958
02:41:05,630 --> 02:41:14,690
the second block, we have 17.6% as what is proposed in the next year and with our fund balance,

1959
02:41:14,690 --> 02:41:19,510
5.2 percent. Between those two, we'd be at 22.2 percent of cash available should in

1960
02:41:19,510 --> 02:41:27,070
emergency arise. The goal is to get to 20 percent and then 25 percent, flooding

1961
02:41:27,070 --> 02:41:31,970
emergency reserve, and the sustainability level is about where we want to be, 3 to 6 percent

1962
02:41:31,970 --> 02:41:36,830
any given year so that we can maneuver and deal with things as they come. And with those

1963
02:41:36,830 --> 02:41:42,390
investments, this chart doesn't change. They're already included. So the question for council

1964
02:41:42,390 --> 02:41:48,710
the community is all those service level priorities still right the work that we did last year moving forward

1965
02:41:49,230 --> 02:41:53,370
all those capital investment levels where we want to put our money and then the emergency

1966
02:41:53,370 --> 02:41:57,790
reserve and physical sustainability level is appropriate. With that I'll turn it to council for any

1967
02:41:57,790 --> 02:42:03,930
questions or discussion. Andy we're going to go ahead and just into the public first and certainly

1968
02:42:03,930 --> 02:42:10,110
so that way we can make common afterwards. We're going to go ahead and open the public portion now

1969
02:42:10,110 --> 02:42:13,270
Um, listen to his hand out.

1970
02:42:14,490 --> 02:42:14,690
Good.

1971
02:42:15,630 --> 02:42:16,250
Eric Rollins.

1972
02:42:16,430 --> 02:42:17,550
I live on Ashcroft Avenue.

1973
02:42:20,090 --> 02:42:24,230
So, what I looked at the budget last year, this is the third year.

1974
02:42:24,730 --> 02:42:26,250
It's amazing that I'm still awake.

1975
02:42:27,190 --> 02:42:29,270
But just are difficult, though incredibly important.

1976
02:42:31,970 --> 02:42:34,330
I noticed that last year, the measure why money,

1977
02:42:34,750 --> 02:42:39,130
we spent approximately 92% on public safety.

1978
02:42:39,250 --> 02:42:39,830
Is that correct?

1979
02:42:39,990 --> 02:42:40,670
Yeah, correct.

1980
02:42:40,670 --> 02:42:44,390
And are we now shifting it to 88 percent?

1981
02:42:44,390 --> 02:42:47,390
88 to 90 is what it was just looking like at this moment.

1982
02:42:48,770 --> 02:42:53,690
So I would say that if we were to talk to the chief,

1983
02:42:54,390 --> 02:42:58,050
the two different chiefs, do they feel like they're adequately funded?

1984
02:42:58,390 --> 02:43:02,270
If they tell me yes, and they're good, then I don't have a problem with that.

1985
02:43:02,270 --> 02:43:06,370
But if they're not, again, it was the promise of this council,

1986
02:43:06,810 --> 02:43:08,510
but at least the majority of them.

1987
02:43:08,510 --> 02:43:14,630
I was even fair to say the fast majority that they wanted to spend that money on police and

1988
02:43:14,630 --> 02:43:21,730
fire and I thought that what we did last year was appropriate. So I'm opposed to that idea of

1989
02:43:21,730 --> 02:43:28,930
88 percent that that big fairly large shift unless I hear from the chiefs and they say I'm good.

1990
02:43:29,450 --> 02:43:36,250
I get that at some point I would love to be at the point where police and fire were both able to say

1991
02:43:36,250 --> 02:43:42,210
Look, I'm doing great and I want you to be able to spend the money because there are other

1992
02:43:42,210 --> 02:43:48,170
legitimate needs. I'm not saying there aren't legitimate needs. I'm just trying to get us to

1993
02:43:48,170 --> 02:43:57,710
keep our promise. In regards to what is happening with saving money, having an emergency fund,

1994
02:43:58,290 --> 02:44:03,730
I would encourage you to work as hard as you can. We never know what the future will bring.

1995
02:44:05,890 --> 02:44:10,330
So, I'm not quite sure how you get there, but I'm glad we're thinking of that.

1996
02:44:10,650 --> 02:44:15,150
I'm proud of the city and that we are actually ahead of the curve in that respect.

1997
02:44:16,010 --> 02:44:18,370
Anyway, kind of all I had to say and thank you for your time.

1998
02:44:18,650 --> 02:44:18,930
Thank you,

1999
02:44:24,940 --> 02:44:24,940
Eric.

2000
02:44:25,200 --> 02:44:27,180
My name is Neil Malone and I live on Pocen.

2001
02:44:28,440 --> 02:44:33,560
I just want to get back to the public safety as, you know, increasing roads and our things.

2002
02:44:34,160 --> 02:44:37,060
Like we spent a lot of money last year, increasing staffing.

2003
02:44:38,460 --> 02:44:44,680
And five years from now, are we going to say, like, this is, this may the city better or

2004
02:44:44,680 --> 02:44:48,980
clean, you know, spend money on roads and other capital improvements in the city, there

2005
02:44:48,980 --> 02:44:50,840
are going to be lasting for the rest of our lives.

2006
02:44:51,680 --> 02:44:56,360
And I, you know, I asked you guys to look into that vision in the future and be able to do that.

2007
02:44:56,720 --> 02:44:59,320
Before this meeting, I watched the report from the police.

2008
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:11,000
Chief, and he hit all the call-time classes and all of them. They hit their goals. We're at that 1.1, you know, employees per

2009
02:45:11,000 --> 02:45:22,660
1,000, we're hitting the metrics now. So I'm not saying take off the gas completely, but there are other things that we can do that I would see as a greater public safety issue. Thank you.

2010
02:45:22,660 --> 02:45:23,640
Thank you, New.

2011
02:45:26,540 --> 02:45:27,920
Any others?

2012
02:45:28,360 --> 02:45:30,660
Seeing none, go ahead and close the public portion.

2013
02:45:31,800 --> 02:45:34,160
I think Andy had a couple items there.

2014
02:45:34,500 --> 02:45:36,380
Yes, service level priorities, capital loan investments.

2015
02:45:36,960 --> 02:45:40,900
If there's anything else or any comments on the three that he's proposed.

2016
02:45:42,340 --> 02:45:43,380
I'll just chime in.

2017
02:45:43,440 --> 02:45:45,160
I think the reserves we talked about last week,

2018
02:45:45,280 --> 02:45:47,060
I think this is too conservative.

2019
02:45:47,640 --> 02:45:50,160
I don't think 17%, 20, whatever you had.

2020
02:45:50,420 --> 02:45:51,140
I don't think he's not enough.

2021
02:45:51,500 --> 02:45:52,040
What'd I say?

2022
02:45:53,970 --> 02:45:54,410
Go farther.

2023
02:45:54,490 --> 02:45:55,350
Go farther faster.

2024
02:45:56,250 --> 02:46:02,350
I think I have a tiny little, like we're spending so much money, it makes me nervous.

2025
02:46:02,470 --> 02:46:04,230
I'll never see this much money.

2026
02:46:04,490 --> 02:46:05,510
We never had this much money.

2027
02:46:06,070 --> 02:46:07,410
But I think that's all great.

2028
02:46:08,030 --> 02:46:11,950
And I do think that that range is not enough.

2029
02:46:12,310 --> 02:46:15,990
17% from this year I don't think is enough given the revenues that we're seeing.

2030
02:46:16,170 --> 02:46:19,350
And last week we heard that the best practice is 35%.

2031
02:46:20,350 --> 02:46:24,690
So long-term goal needs to be 35% or whatever the industry metric is.

2032
02:46:24,690 --> 02:46:26,610
So that would be one of my priorities.

2033
02:46:27,130 --> 02:46:30,030
Now's our chance to save as much money as fast as we can

2034
02:46:30,030 --> 02:46:31,590
because Mr. Rollins is right.

2035
02:46:31,790 --> 02:46:33,030
We don't have any idea.

2036
02:46:33,610 --> 02:46:35,150
No idea what's going to happen anywhere.

2037
02:46:35,410 --> 02:46:37,110
So I would say that's first for me.

2038
02:46:37,810 --> 02:46:39,770
The second for me would be the language

2039
02:46:39,770 --> 02:46:41,490
of maintaining the rec service.

2040
02:46:41,890 --> 02:46:42,290
No.

2041
02:46:42,910 --> 02:46:44,450
I think we could invest in that.

2042
02:46:44,450 --> 02:46:46,330
Because I agree with, and I didn't catch your last name.

2043
02:46:46,390 --> 02:46:47,230
We're first in Miss Neal.

2044
02:46:47,230 --> 02:46:47,990
No, no.

2045
02:46:48,290 --> 02:46:48,690
Mallory.

2046
02:46:49,070 --> 02:46:51,490
I agree with Mr. Mallory what you didn't specifically say.

2047
02:46:51,650 --> 02:46:54,030
But public safety is more than police and fire for sure.

2048
02:46:54,030 --> 02:46:58,270
So investing in our kids, so maintaining the reg center,

2049
02:46:58,770 --> 02:46:59,950
or the reg programs?

2050
02:47:00,810 --> 02:47:03,130
No, I think we need to expand them in some ways,

2051
02:47:03,390 --> 02:47:04,530
whether it's a place to play,

2052
02:47:04,630 --> 02:47:06,830
or whatever that notion is about giving kids a chance

2053
02:47:06,830 --> 02:47:10,250
to engage, talk to our police officers in a sports setting,

2054
02:47:10,310 --> 02:47:12,210
whatever it is, but that's my second.

2055
02:47:13,070 --> 02:47:15,410
My 30 specialties, I think that's a good investment,

2056
02:47:15,610 --> 02:47:17,170
because our buildings are going to eventually crumble.

2057
02:47:17,330 --> 02:47:18,290
So I think that's right.

2058
02:47:18,770 --> 02:47:20,430
And then I would say from our earlier conversation,

2059
02:47:20,670 --> 02:47:22,350
I added to my list housing stock.

2060
02:47:22,350 --> 02:47:25,310
I think our investment in housing stock

2061
02:47:25,310 --> 02:47:27,630
that's on the verge of not being habitable

2062
02:47:27,630 --> 02:47:31,630
is probably a worthy invention to hold on to those.

2063
02:47:31,890 --> 02:47:32,990
So that's what I would say.

2064
02:47:33,150 --> 02:47:34,270
I think the service levels are right.

2065
02:47:35,310 --> 02:47:36,730
I think I think all that makes sense.

2066
02:47:36,870 --> 02:47:38,730
The chiefs have all spoke and I think that's great.

2067
02:47:38,950 --> 02:47:40,970
But those will be the four things I would highlight out

2068
02:47:40,970 --> 02:47:41,790
of the budget.

2069
02:47:43,090 --> 02:47:43,110
Thanks.

2070
02:47:44,130 --> 02:47:44,570
Goodman.

2071
02:47:45,290 --> 02:47:48,290
Also, recreation brought that up several years

2072
02:47:48,290 --> 02:47:51,910
as far as trying to figure out a way to, you know,

2073
02:47:51,910 --> 02:48:02,490
I know that our current wreck center is just kind of a mess and whether or not we put money into that down the road or something along those lines I'm going to say it again, but I still think we can make money off the billboards to pay for that.

2074
02:48:02,790 --> 02:48:12,330
If we were to go to the billboards and use that revenue source strictly for using that to the youth programs and stuff would be a kind of a deal down the road, but I know we'll talk about that again in a few months.

2075
02:48:13,730 --> 02:48:19,910
I do agree on the reserves that if there is an opportunity to put more money into reserves right now just to

2076
02:48:19,910 --> 02:48:25,090
you know, go forward to the comment about public safety.

2077
02:48:25,910 --> 02:48:29,330
I do think we need to keep going with public safety as much as we can,

2078
02:48:29,590 --> 02:48:30,650
which I think you're doing.

2079
02:48:32,270 --> 02:48:36,650
When you talk about hiring people and you hire six to ten people a year,

2080
02:48:36,890 --> 02:48:39,630
you get to a point where you can only hire six to ten people a year

2081
02:48:39,630 --> 02:48:41,270
because you got to bring in training officers.

2082
02:48:41,650 --> 02:48:44,550
You have to, you have to have the vehicles ready.

2083
02:48:44,730 --> 02:48:48,450
You have to have the equipment that goes with it.

2084
02:48:48,450 --> 02:48:51,530
It was not just as simple as saying I want to hire 15 cops right now.

2085
02:48:51,990 --> 02:48:55,950
It's all the stuff that goes with it in order to get to those numbers that you want to be.

2086
02:48:56,710 --> 02:49:05,470
When the metrics and stuff are talked about, I will say when I was chief, one of the things that drove me absolutely crazy was to come back and they would say,

2087
02:49:05,570 --> 02:49:07,050
Well, you're a victim of your own success.

2088
02:49:08,210 --> 02:49:13,450
And that's great, but we were always putting band aids on things to try and plug those holes to not be,

2089
02:49:14,110 --> 02:49:39,570
It's great. We were victims of our own success, and it's because of the men and women of the police departments and the fire departments and the things that they were doing that was above and beyond every day in order to fill those gaps so obviously I'm more biased towards public safety but I just want to make sure that we don't obviously that you know that's still not the main focus as well.

2090
02:49:39,570 --> 02:49:42,470
Okay, thanks. Anything else?

2091
02:49:44,190 --> 02:49:44,690
Good night.

2092
02:49:44,990 --> 02:49:49,230
Yeah, I'll just agree with Lynn on the emergency reserve.

2093
02:49:49,550 --> 02:50:03,390
We referenced that last week and so I do think whatever we can do to increase the current allocation to that and also increasing our mid and long term goals of what we see there for all the reasons.

2094
02:50:03,890 --> 02:50:29,570
And I will also agree with Matt, I think one of the things I really appreciated out of this process last year when we were talking specifically about staffing levels and particularly from our public safety departments was talking about the support staff that was needed to prepare for bringing on more officers, more firefighters, whatever those things were and also being able to invest in some of the technology that might be out there to assist in being even more efficient at what they're doing.

2095
02:50:29,570 --> 02:50:34,450
And so I look forward to the day where I think we can say,

2096
02:50:34,590 --> 02:50:37,810
hey, measure why, you know, that promise we made to the public

2097
02:50:37,810 --> 02:50:40,930
of prioritizing public safety police and fire specifically,

2098
02:50:41,570 --> 02:50:45,250
we are ready to kind of pivot from that and maybe look at some of these other

2099
02:50:45,250 --> 02:50:48,490
things that can be more broadly defined in public safety.

2100
02:50:48,490 --> 02:50:52,990
I think that is an excellent goal and maybe it'll be here sooner rather than later.

2101
02:50:53,390 --> 02:50:57,250
But I do think there are still priorities when I'm, you know, out and about.

2102
02:50:57,250 --> 02:51:03,150
I still see things where it's like, ah, you know, I guarantee you our police department wants

2103
02:51:03,150 --> 02:51:08,750
the manpower, woman power, technology, whatever to address that more efficiently. A lot of

2104
02:51:08,750 --> 02:51:14,470
those kind of quality of life issues and that I know there's still a lot that we need

2105
02:51:14,470 --> 02:51:19,490
to progress on there. I think before we kind of turn our attention from that. So those are

2106
02:51:19,490 --> 02:51:26,050
kind of my two things. I completely agree with Lynn on the reserve and just echoing also what

2107
02:51:26,050 --> 02:51:33,230
was saying as far as maintaining that extreme priority on police and fire at this point.

2108
02:51:36,800 --> 02:51:42,240
Andy, with regards to facilities, the two million is sort of the minimum we need to just get

2109
02:51:42,240 --> 02:51:51,140
a sort of on track or can we put more so that we are, you know, kind of get to fixing a lot of the

2110
02:51:51,140 --> 02:51:56,540
items that were identified. Yeah, this study came back, I believe, around 4.2 to 4.3 million

2111
02:51:56,540 --> 02:52:00,940
needed, we currently invest about two to two and a half typically in an average year.

2112
02:52:01,280 --> 02:52:06,000
So that two million being invested would get us up to an average, that would meet the

2113
02:52:06,000 --> 02:52:08,080
plans and needs over 20 year time frame.

2114
02:52:08,580 --> 02:52:11,640
That doesn't include like a new structure or expansion.

2115
02:52:12,800 --> 02:52:17,080
So we also, at some point, will probably need to think through how to set money aside for those

2116
02:52:17,080 --> 02:52:17,480
things.

2117
02:52:17,720 --> 02:52:24,060
One of the items we have in this budget plan is to do a facilities master plan that would

2118
02:52:24,060 --> 02:52:28,080
while it starts to, it's usually thinking about the financing of what money should we put

2119
02:52:28,080 --> 02:52:30,620
where relative to buildings we want to keep or not.

2120
02:52:31,920 --> 02:52:36,020
So we'd always love to put more money in facilities and fleet, but we also need to balance

2121
02:52:36,020 --> 02:52:37,760
that with providing the critical service.

2122
02:52:38,240 --> 02:52:39,300
So we think that's a good start.

2123
02:52:39,940 --> 02:52:39,980
Okay.

2124
02:52:40,400 --> 02:52:43,900
And then with regards to rent programs, I support that.

2125
02:52:44,060 --> 02:52:46,380
Where is parks in that?

2126
02:52:46,480 --> 02:52:48,200
Or is parks totally separate?

2127
02:52:48,740 --> 02:52:53,360
Because I think we need to take pride in the parks.

2128
02:52:55,200 --> 02:52:57,100
And he thought given that.

2129
02:52:57,140 --> 02:53:00,100
So we have another crew coming on for parks in this.

2130
02:53:00,100 --> 02:53:01,800
Last year, we had a position in REC.

2131
02:53:02,180 --> 02:53:04,760
We don't have positions in REC in the current plan

2132
02:53:04,760 --> 02:53:07,040
additional, but we'll see what we can do.

2133
02:53:07,100 --> 02:53:09,940
My comment on all these goals are still valid.

2134
02:53:10,480 --> 02:53:13,220
So this is what was put in that five-year plan.

2135
02:53:13,220 --> 02:53:14,480
And that's what we're planning for.

2136
02:53:14,860 --> 02:53:17,100
But we'll see how things go through during the budget process

2137
02:53:17,100 --> 02:53:18,260
as to what we can say yesterday.

2138
02:53:18,380 --> 02:53:20,540
And still maintain our fiscal sustainability.

2139
02:53:21,280 --> 02:53:31,500
And I'm assuming it's none of it is going to sort of the physical part of it instead of just the people side of it, meaning purchasing upkeeping.

2140
02:53:31,780 --> 02:53:34,860
Are we just relying strictly on the park fees for that?

2141
02:53:35,480 --> 02:53:36,260
Or is there a need?

2142
02:53:36,700 --> 02:53:42,040
We've set aside approximately three-hundred thousand a year for general fund park maintenance that we never had before.

2143
02:53:42,260 --> 02:53:43,420
We'll have to start in last year with another one.

2144
02:53:43,440 --> 02:53:46,280
We're starting to see improvements from that, and that was planned to continue.

2145
02:53:47,850 --> 02:54:03,970
And then I also agree with the reserves, I think me, I think we just need to get the 25 as quickly as possible and then we can discuss internally that policy with getting up to 35 that we heard about.

2146
02:54:04,410 --> 02:54:14,090
So I did a little math to get to 20% is an extra next year would be an extra 3.3 million has to come from somewhere.

2147
02:54:14,090 --> 02:54:20,470
So, we can work on where that comes from relative to fleet and facilities and kind of put together a plan.

2148
02:54:21,290 --> 02:54:28,370
We have proposed putting 2 million in a year going forward and that buys you in the front part of the five year plan about a percent a year.

2149
02:54:28,690 --> 02:54:32,390
Because as this finishes grow, we're having to catch up our dollar amount of housing dropped.

2150
02:54:32,870 --> 02:54:34,150
This just our expenditures have grown.

2151
02:54:34,850 --> 02:54:36,350
So, I'll take a little bit of time for us.

2152
02:54:36,830 --> 02:54:42,890
If we got to 20 percent next year because we made that investment, we'd be sitting closer to 25 or 24 or 26.

2153
02:54:43,690 --> 02:54:50,170
Another practice that we have done in the past is that if we have a fund balance at the end of the year where people

2154
02:54:50,170 --> 02:54:54,550
Departors spend less to give us an opportunity at the end of the year to put money into reserves.

2155
02:54:54,550 --> 02:54:56,430
That usually comes to counsel in December.

2156
02:54:56,950 --> 02:55:03,410
So it could be talked about at that point as well as kind of a, hey, if we have one time money now, we can make a shift to whatever these funds are demanding.

2157
02:55:04,650 --> 02:55:10,010
We stopped a 100,000 a year to the affordable housing process.

2158
02:55:10,970 --> 02:55:11,570
That's included.

2159
02:55:11,830 --> 02:55:12,450
What is that Android?

2160
02:55:12,790 --> 02:55:13,690
Is it never in?

2161
02:55:13,850 --> 02:55:15,350
I believe it's at least eight years.

2162
02:55:15,470 --> 02:55:15,830
Eight years.

2163
02:55:16,470 --> 02:55:16,570
Okay.

2164
02:55:16,610 --> 02:55:17,270
Let's run a two.

2165
02:55:17,530 --> 02:55:17,830
Remember that?

2166
02:55:18,550 --> 02:55:24,830
And then with regards to the 88 percent, this is with the blessings of the two chiefs, right?

2167
02:55:24,830 --> 02:55:26,250
That's why you're presenting it to us.

2168
02:55:26,790 --> 02:55:26,930
Yeah.

2169
02:55:27,090 --> 02:55:27,470
We've worked.

2170
02:55:27,930 --> 02:55:28,150
Yeah.

2171
02:55:28,390 --> 02:55:32,630
These are with the plans, the five chiefs that we've been hearing.

2172
02:55:33,070 --> 02:55:33,270
Let's see.

2173
02:55:33,870 --> 02:55:34,050
Yeah.

2174
02:55:34,270 --> 02:55:35,050
So another time.

2175
02:55:36,530 --> 02:55:36,730
Okay.

2176
02:55:37,190 --> 02:55:38,510
I just wanted to get that on the record.

2177
02:55:38,510 --> 02:55:44,490
Yeah, what they're proposing is things they have been planning for like I think this is based on that five-year plan

2178
02:55:44,490 --> 02:55:50,730
We all put together last year. So kind of implement year two. It's probably not going to look exactly like we proposed

2179
02:55:50,730 --> 02:55:56,010
Disvest things change. Okay. That's the goal. Let's all have go ahead one more comment

2180
02:55:56,570 --> 02:56:02,190
Economic development. I don't know that means but I do think we have to invest if there's things we shouldn't be investing in that

2181
02:56:02,190 --> 02:56:06,610
Help us generate additional tax revenue besides taxes like sales tax or business tax

2182
02:56:06,610 --> 02:56:13,690
I think that's worth, whether it's land, whether it's, I don't know, alternate reuse of some empty

2183
02:56:13,690 --> 02:56:19,810
big box store that it popped up every now and then. So I just, I think a mindfulness of job creation

2184
02:56:19,810 --> 02:56:25,870
opportunities, whatever that is going forward. I think it doesn't quite fit in these categories,

2185
02:56:26,230 --> 02:56:30,290
but it does add to the revenue stream facility.

2186
02:56:30,410 --> 02:56:34,150
Yeah, I measure why I can now enter the album. It was one of the goals that was listed and

2187
02:56:34,150 --> 02:56:35,930
is on my radar and it's near and dear to my heart.

2188
02:56:36,230 --> 02:56:40,390
Yeah. So I think we don't want to forget that either because we do, we do not just want

2189
02:56:40,390 --> 02:56:45,490
to rely on the tax revenue. We want businesses and maybe we expand the culinary center

2190
02:56:45,490 --> 02:56:49,330
or we build an, I mean, I've been advocating for another incubator for a long time. I think

2191
02:56:49,330 --> 02:56:52,710
we could do that and there's a lot of empty retail. It would be a great incubator location.

2192
02:56:53,170 --> 02:56:57,070
So I just think that's that kind of thinking and investment if there's some incentives we need

2193
02:56:57,070 --> 02:57:01,130
to do to get the folks, some of that behind us. To start that, I think that would be worth adding

2194
02:57:01,130 --> 02:57:03,070
to my list of five now. Thank you.

2195
02:57:03,070 --> 02:57:04,770
If we can make it happen, we will.

2196
02:57:06,050 --> 02:57:07,690
All right, that's all you need it, right?

2197
02:57:07,770 --> 02:57:08,470
There's no motion.

2198
02:57:08,750 --> 02:57:09,070
There's no motion.

2199
02:57:09,070 --> 02:57:09,370
There's no motion.

2200
02:57:09,370 --> 02:57:09,450
There's no motion.

2201
02:57:10,270 --> 02:57:10,610
All right.

2202
02:57:11,010 --> 02:57:12,970
Thank you.

2203
02:57:15,300 --> 02:57:18,720
Now item 15, changing council meeting schedule.

2204
02:57:19,460 --> 02:57:24,560
Yes, we've been able to consolidate meetings in April, and I can ask to cancel the April

2205
02:57:24,560 --> 02:57:29,100
6 meeting into the council's purview, so we appreciate your support on that.

2206
02:57:29,380 --> 02:57:31,600
I needed that to do the thing we just continued.

2207
02:57:34,200 --> 02:57:36,980
You didn't continue it, you rejected all the time.

2208
02:57:37,540 --> 02:57:38,360
I don't want to be ready.

2209
02:57:38,720 --> 02:57:39,220
I don't want to be ready.

2210
02:57:42,000 --> 02:57:44,620
I want you to one more time.

2211
02:57:44,760 --> 02:57:46,600
Because that was the most important thing we could have another variation.

2212
02:57:48,480 --> 02:57:49,520
Stop it.

2213
02:57:50,920 --> 02:57:56,880
OK, so any comments on with regards to canceling April 6 meeting from public?

2214
02:57:57,240 --> 02:57:57,700
It's seen on.

2215
02:57:57,800 --> 02:57:58,520
All of make a motion.

2216
02:57:58,720 --> 02:57:59,400
We cancel it, maybe.

2217
02:57:59,940 --> 02:58:00,200
OK.

2218
02:58:00,540 --> 02:58:00,800
Second.

2219
02:58:01,320 --> 02:58:03,940
Second, all those papers in fine scene I.

2220
02:58:03,940 --> 02:58:04,380
Hi.

2221
02:58:05,280 --> 02:58:05,820
Motion carries.

2222
02:58:06,280 --> 02:58:07,400
I forgot to vote.

2223
02:58:07,680 --> 02:58:08,240
All right.

2224
02:58:08,420 --> 02:58:10,220
All right.

2225
02:58:10,380 --> 02:58:11,780
We'll go to city manager comments.

2226
02:58:12,180 --> 02:58:12,300
Yes.

2227
02:58:12,360 --> 02:58:13,520
Thank you, Mayor and council.

2228
02:58:14,220 --> 02:58:16,680
We've got a planning commission meeting coming up next week.

2229
02:58:17,300 --> 02:58:19,440
And then we have the community eastern luncheon.

2230
02:58:19,640 --> 02:58:20,860
So I know they're looking for some volunteers.

2231
02:58:21,160 --> 02:58:24,860
But I love making this statement that Amy says there's no reason to be alone.

2232
02:58:25,200 --> 02:58:26,020
So come on out.

2233
02:58:26,120 --> 02:58:28,800
Be part of the eastern luncheon on Sunday April 5th.

2234
02:58:28,800 --> 02:58:32,520
And they are looking for volunteers, if you want to step up in that way.

2235
02:58:32,740 --> 02:58:33,840
The battle turned back to you, Mayor.

2236
02:58:36,040 --> 02:58:38,300
This is City Council Comments, Councilmember Banschman.

2237
02:58:38,880 --> 02:58:43,000
I just have, I guess, really just kind of a question on what Mr. Wilson presented earlier about

2238
02:58:43,000 --> 02:58:43,880
the flag policy.

2239
02:58:44,500 --> 02:58:49,240
And then the picture provided, it's said, by Miss Winkle's military flags that are around

2240
02:58:49,240 --> 02:58:50,040
the K-9.

2241
02:58:50,560 --> 02:58:53,180
Did we remove those flags or what's the deal there?

2242
02:58:53,440 --> 02:58:57,820
No, our current flag policy does not allow for any flags.

2243
02:58:57,820 --> 02:59:01,280
but the U.S. flag, the California flag, and the city flag.

2244
02:59:01,600 --> 02:59:05,420
So those flags, they're still there, are on city property,

2245
02:59:05,700 --> 02:59:06,660
but we're not called out in the policy.

2246
02:59:07,220 --> 02:59:08,560
So we're working on adjusting that.

2247
02:59:08,660 --> 02:59:11,140
If I remember, right, there was in this part of the heroes,

2248
02:59:11,380 --> 02:59:15,220
dog, being that they did a presentation on in order to,

2249
02:59:15,220 --> 02:59:17,200
and I think they paid for all the funding and everything,

2250
02:59:17,460 --> 02:59:19,760
as part of the do the veterans, as we did that,

2251
02:59:19,760 --> 02:59:21,200
that particular thing.

2252
02:59:22,160 --> 02:59:23,660
So we did clean it up a little bit.

2253
02:59:24,000 --> 02:59:24,820
Make sure we're in a good spot.

2254
02:59:25,420 --> 02:59:25,500
All right.

2255
02:59:26,480 --> 02:59:27,160
That's all I got.

2256
02:59:27,160 --> 02:59:29,120
Councilmember Bessinger.

2257
02:59:30,040 --> 02:59:31,500
We got some very good news.

2258
02:59:32,440 --> 02:59:42,940
We had applied for an exemption for the innovative clean transit vehicle requirement that would make

2259
02:59:42,940 --> 02:59:45,900
we had to approach the electric vehicles.

2260
02:59:47,040 --> 02:59:49,900
Carb gave us a one-year extension.

2261
02:59:51,200 --> 02:59:53,780
I'm sure that was done with gridded teeth.

2262
02:59:53,780 --> 02:59:56,080
Extension or Exemption.

2263
02:59:57,220 --> 02:59:57,600
Exemption.

2264
02:59:57,980 --> 02:59:58,160
OK.

2265
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:13,020
I'm sure, like I said, I'm sure it was done with gritted teeth. We had a lot of help Senator Groves set us up with the card director who resigned two weeks later.

2266
03:00:13,780 --> 03:00:29,980
There was no connection, I'm sure. I'm sure she was at the end of the fund. But this is a big deal. This in conjunction with the work that the federal government is doing to push back on the electric vehicle.

2267
03:00:29,980 --> 03:00:36,400
mandates and our heavy duty vehicle mandates that had been coming down.

2268
03:00:37,020 --> 03:00:39,780
I think this is a step in the right direction.

2269
03:00:39,880 --> 03:00:41,420
It was a really good job by Amy.

2270
03:00:43,420 --> 03:00:47,880
Amy, we've had fan letters from other people who want to,

2271
03:00:48,260 --> 03:00:51,900
they want our letters so that they can copy it, right?

2272
03:00:53,200 --> 03:00:57,640
So they were more than happy to have us go to the front of the line and take the hits.

2273
03:00:57,640 --> 03:01:02,020
And now everybody loves a victor.

2274
03:01:02,140 --> 03:01:04,680
That's all I have.

2275
03:01:05,060 --> 03:01:06,200
Can I ask for an Ashbick?

2276
03:01:07,540 --> 03:01:08,740
Just a couple of items.

2277
03:01:10,120 --> 03:01:14,620
It was a nice, bad ceremony for close fire last week.

2278
03:01:15,800 --> 03:01:17,680
I think there might be a future chief in that crowd.

2279
03:01:17,880 --> 03:01:20,580
That was the most impressive group of young men.

2280
03:01:20,820 --> 03:01:22,460
I think they're always impressive.

2281
03:01:22,720 --> 03:01:25,660
But there was something about those folks because they were lateral transfers.

2282
03:01:25,920 --> 03:01:26,480
They were a little bit.

2283
03:01:26,480 --> 03:01:33,400
Anyway, it was super impressive, and they all spoke with such pride, so that was great to see.

2284
03:01:34,160 --> 03:01:37,400
Okay, I have three things, well, two things that are silly, but one is litter.

2285
03:01:38,000 --> 03:01:38,860
Okay, I'm back to litter.

2286
03:01:39,440 --> 03:01:45,440
I send Andy a picture yesterday, so I walked from Lola Vista Parkway to Gettysburg, along to Wolf.

2287
03:01:46,100 --> 03:01:48,340
That isn't even a block.

2288
03:01:49,120 --> 03:01:50,620
And I picked up an entire bag of trash.

2289
03:01:50,780 --> 03:01:53,160
Just someone said, you picked it up, and I did say, took a bag.

2290
03:01:53,160 --> 03:01:56,240
So I don't know, I don't know how we've ever managed it.

2291
03:01:56,300 --> 03:02:00,080
I'm reminded of the Taco Bell at Sean Armstrong when it went in

2292
03:02:00,080 --> 03:02:02,160
and Clovis High kids went there for lunch,

2293
03:02:02,820 --> 03:02:04,580
and through trash everywhere and all of that.

2294
03:02:04,580 --> 03:02:06,280
And somehow we managed to figure that out.

2295
03:02:06,620 --> 03:02:09,700
But there's something, it's out of control.

2296
03:02:09,980 --> 03:02:13,980
So whether it's care for Clovis signs, pick up litter signs,

2297
03:02:14,160 --> 03:02:16,080
you're on camera, I'm taking your picture signs,

2298
03:02:16,280 --> 03:02:18,120
but it really is, it is terrible.

2299
03:02:18,300 --> 03:02:19,300
And there's no trash cans.

2300
03:02:19,840 --> 03:02:21,820
So there really is an option except to throw them

2301
03:02:21,820 --> 03:02:23,100
around a few were so inclined.

2302
03:02:23,740 --> 03:02:25,120
So, I just think we got to figure that out,

2303
03:02:25,200 --> 03:02:27,600
because that community has a chance to start out nice

2304
03:02:27,600 --> 03:02:31,280
and clean and fresh, but Dutch brothers and McDonald's

2305
03:02:31,280 --> 03:02:33,180
are the two worst offenders.

2306
03:02:33,580 --> 03:02:36,000
All of the trash is that, all of it.

2307
03:02:36,260 --> 03:02:37,880
And I know that's a thing, but I don't know.

2308
03:02:37,980 --> 03:02:41,240
It just, it really is, it is shocking to see.

2309
03:02:41,280 --> 03:02:42,720
So I don't know if there's something we can do.

2310
03:02:43,280 --> 03:02:45,200
I don't, I don't blame it on the kids at close east,

2311
03:02:45,360 --> 03:02:47,220
but just the neighborhood, people need to take care

2312
03:02:47,220 --> 03:02:48,760
of their neighborhood, that's part of it.

2313
03:02:48,760 --> 03:02:51,740
So I just want to kind of continue to rant about that.

2314
03:02:51,740 --> 03:02:57,080
Um, I want to give a shout out to Judith Prus, um, she was the let's, let's talk

2315
03:02:57,080 --> 03:03:03,520
Clovis speaker last week and if you, uh, I learned so much from her in 35 minutes,

2316
03:03:03,620 --> 03:03:09,320
but she talked about the quarry that was on Clovis Avenue between 3rd and 4th, that

2317
03:03:09,320 --> 03:03:17,700
was sort of the, uh, cousin to the Academy quarry, Italian, stone, what do they call stone?

2318
03:03:18,920 --> 03:03:19,440
Stone mations?

2319
03:03:20,900 --> 03:03:23,940
And they were mostly Italian, including her own ancestors.

2320
03:03:24,480 --> 03:03:27,600
But she just talked about how that grew and grow and on

2321
03:03:27,600 --> 03:03:31,420
Pulaski between 7th and 8th was the Italian block of

2322
03:03:31,420 --> 03:03:32,160
Pulaski.

2323
03:03:32,800 --> 03:03:35,220
And she talked about what that was like growing up there.

2324
03:03:35,280 --> 03:03:39,300
And she talked about Mrs. Sparza and Apologize for the

2325
03:03:39,300 --> 03:03:40,920
Mrs. Boldini, I'm not sure the name.

2326
03:03:41,160 --> 03:03:43,960
And they would have animated conversations over the fence

2327
03:03:43,960 --> 03:03:47,260
in their native languages, not speaking a word of English.

2328
03:03:47,260 --> 03:04:00,320
All that's to say, it speaks to why Clovis is unique and if we lose that, as I say, every single time, I just think we will forget why that's how we started.

2329
03:04:00,960 --> 03:04:02,580
So it was a wonderful story.

2330
03:04:02,720 --> 03:04:05,560
I'd never heard that the Academy Corps and all that.

2331
03:04:05,580 --> 03:04:09,280
So it was really great, but it brought me back to historical markers in Old Town.

2332
03:04:10,260 --> 03:04:11,500
I know we talked about that.

2333
03:04:11,500 --> 03:04:17,240
I don't know where that historical preservation work all went, but I really think we could invest in markers in Old Town.

2334
03:04:17,240 --> 03:04:23,120
like who knew that Polasky between 7th and 8th was the Italian block in the 40s and she taught.

2335
03:04:23,820 --> 03:04:32,640
I mean, I was overwhelmed with kind of emotion-lessing your story, but I think we're not going to have many years left with people that can tell those stories.

2336
03:04:33,100 --> 03:04:37,340
That grew up on Polasky between 7th and 8th, Mr. Trevino, where you grew up.

2337
03:04:37,380 --> 03:04:45,760
I mean, we're not getting any younger, so I do think we need to try to work on capturing some kind of historical markers with boot maybe or with the historical society.

2338
03:04:45,760 --> 03:04:50,720
But it was such a powerful story that it was sort of the counterparts in Mississippi Cata and her

2339
03:04:50,720 --> 03:04:56,960
Seat neighbor when she was went to the internment camp right there all sprinkled in our history and most people don't know that

2340
03:04:56,960 --> 03:05:00,980
So anyway, I just want to give her a shout out for that. It was really a wonderful wonderful evening

2341
03:05:00,980 --> 03:05:07,940
It was great to hear so anyway if we can put the historical preservation and idea back on the list and historical markers would be great

2342
03:05:07,940 --> 03:05:10,640
Even if we had to do fundraising to pay for the markers

2343
03:05:10,640 --> 03:05:12,400
I don't know who paid for the trail markers

2344
03:05:12,400 --> 03:05:14,460
I don't like them necessarily, but

2345
03:05:17,220 --> 03:05:26,200
So I think we could start a citizen's campaign to tell the old town story because it is extraordinary and most people don't know.

2346
03:05:26,620 --> 03:05:27,660
Anyway, that's all.

2347
03:05:28,040 --> 03:05:28,680
Thank you.

2348
03:05:28,840 --> 03:05:29,600
Mayor Patent Pierce.

2349
03:05:29,980 --> 03:05:30,920
I don't have anything.

2350
03:05:32,240 --> 03:05:32,520
All right.

2351
03:05:32,560 --> 03:05:35,340
I want to report that on Saturday morning.

2352
03:05:35,800 --> 03:05:39,240
Thank you to Rosino.

2353
03:05:39,860 --> 03:05:40,760
What's his lieutenant?

2354
03:05:42,200 --> 03:05:47,020
and rosin, okay, sorry, and there was the gentleman with him

2355
03:05:47,020 --> 03:05:49,120
the officer with my forgot his name, and then

2356
03:05:49,120 --> 03:05:52,460
customer ambassador, and I went to the flag retirement, and they

2357
03:05:52,460 --> 03:05:57,160
retired 5,950 flags, and so that's amazing.

2358
03:05:57,280 --> 03:06:03,020
Thank you to the VFW, and the American Legion for putting that on.

2359
03:06:03,180 --> 03:06:11,100
Went to Manolia, crossing eight years ago, they opened up, and they are

2360
03:06:11,100 --> 03:06:19,120
100% full with the weight list and so that was Andy I think you were major part of getting them all the funding and it was a

2361
03:06:19,120 --> 03:06:27,760
Ponding basin that we allowed them or kind of worked it all out and so yeah, so they're looking for to expand because they're they're full

2362
03:06:27,760 --> 03:06:34,740
They serve a medicale all the way to private pay of just assisted living and so that's it's wonderful success story there

2363
03:06:34,740 --> 03:06:40,200
Went to the workforce, graduation of EMTs.

2364
03:06:40,420 --> 03:06:48,800
This is the first cohort, and one of our firefighters had an up, he was a mentor to them.

2365
03:06:48,880 --> 03:06:54,340
He forgot his name, but he just saw the young man, I was thinking through church and

2366
03:06:54,340 --> 03:06:58,440
just said, you should go to this, it's paid for, and he went through, and he was just so

2367
03:06:58,440 --> 03:07:04,220
grateful and it was good to hear their story, and they graduated about 20, they have funding

2368
03:07:04,220 --> 03:07:08,920
for three cohorts, and so that's through workforce connection.

2369
03:07:09,640 --> 03:07:10,560
So thank you for that.

2370
03:07:11,160 --> 03:07:13,780
And then I agree with Lynn with the Garcid Lighthouse,

2371
03:07:13,780 --> 03:07:15,620
Councilman of Bessenger was also there.

2372
03:07:15,800 --> 03:07:17,460
We saw them in this morning.

2373
03:07:17,960 --> 03:07:19,660
Was the in-service for Engine 41?

2374
03:07:20,100 --> 03:07:24,020
Put it back on with the new crew and get to see that.

2375
03:07:24,420 --> 03:07:26,940
And I just wanted to announce everyone

2376
03:07:26,940 --> 03:07:29,880
tomorrow, Commander LeBretto.

2377
03:07:29,900 --> 03:07:33,140
I think he's with the American Legion.

2378
03:07:33,900 --> 03:07:42,140
He's going to retire and he's going to move to Michigan at the end of the month that wanted to bring him in here to recognize him for all his work, but we don't have any more meaning.

2379
03:07:42,680 --> 03:07:50,240
So I'm just going to go tomorrow just to recognize him, but if you see him, if you know him, he's been a commander of the American Legion for a while.

2380
03:07:50,460 --> 03:07:54,480
Just an excellent work and they're recognizing him tomorrow. So it's one of like everyone.

2381
03:07:55,340 --> 03:08:00,380
Yeah. So that's all I have. And we are adjourned at 83.

2382
03:08:01,340 --> 03:08:02,000
Thank you.

2383
03:08:02,000 --> 03:08:05,230
Thank you very much.

2384
03:08:06,170 --> 03:08:07,070
I will come.

2385
03:08:07,430 --> 03:08:07,810
I will come.

2386
03:08:07,810 --> 03:08:07,990
I will come.

2387
03:08:08,290 --> 03:08:08,490
Who?