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Good evening everyone. I'm I'm going to

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call the board of directors meeting of

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the Costa Mesa Sanitary District for

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January

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26 to order. Um before we begin the

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regular items for the board, Director

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Wiltshshire

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uh is ill this evening and has asked to

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participate via Zoom and due to new

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Brown Act regulations because we have

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not published her address on the agenda.

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Uh we need to have a motion and a an

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action from the board to allow her to

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participate virtually. I'll move for

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approval for for participation.

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>> Second.

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» Second.

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>> We have a motion and a second. Um Madame

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» We have a motion and a second. Um Madame

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Clerk, since we have one director on

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virtual, then we'll need a roll call

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vote whenever we take a vote.

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>> Director Wright,

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» Director Wright,

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>> yes.

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» yes.

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>> Director Walshshire,

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» Director Walshshire,

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>> yes.

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» yes.

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>> Secretary Uten, I mean Perry, sorry.

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» Secretary Uten, I mean Perry, sorry.

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>> Yes.

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» Yes.

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>> Vice President Utton, yes.

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» Vice President Utton, yes.

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>> President Mike Schaefer,

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» President Mike Schaefer,

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>> yes. Thank you.

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» yes. Thank you.

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>> Okay, so with that, uh Nicole, you are

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» Okay, so with that, uh Nicole, you are

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eligible.

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Okay. Um, at this point, I'd ask

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everyone who's able to please rise and

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join me in a salute to the flag.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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>> Vice President Utton, words of wisdom

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» Vice President Utton, words of wisdom

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for us this evening? Yep. Please join

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me. Uh, God grant me the serenity to

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accept the things I cannot change,

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courage to change the things I can, and

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the wisdom to know the difference. Amen.

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>> Thank you, sir.

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» Uh, I think we've already done this, but

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may we have an official roll call,

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please?

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>> Sure.

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» Sure.

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>> Director Cheyenne Wright

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» Director Cheyenne Wright

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>> here.

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» here.

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>> Director Nicole Wshshire,

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» Director Nicole Wshshire,

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>> here.

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» here.

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>> Secretary Arthur Perry

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» Secretary Arthur Perry

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>> here. Vice President Robert Uten

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» here. Vice President Robert Uten

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» here.

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>> President Michael Schaefer

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» President Michael Schaefer

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>> here.

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» here.

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>> Um

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» Um

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late communications. I have one late

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communication and it's just an item um

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for all of you. I'm going to ask that

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the board adjourn the meeting this

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evening in memory of a departed uh

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special district member who I think most

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of us up here know, Director Paul Mesmer

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from the Rossmore Community Services

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District. Uh gentleman who's been very

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active in ISDOCK. He was the currently

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the the second vice president of the

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special districts association. Paul

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passed away suddenly and unexpected

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unexpectedly

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and so we will be adjourning the meeting

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this evening in memory of of Paul Mesmer

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really great guy and will be missed in

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the special district.

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Okay. Uh any other

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>> Mr. President could we uh let the record

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» Mr. President could we uh let the record

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reflect that director uh

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Wilshshire is participating pursuant to

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government code section 54953.8.3

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8.3 subsections C for illness.

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>> Thank you. Thank you, council. Uh, other

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» Thank you. Thank you, council. Uh, other

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late communications?

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>> Uh, there was an executive memo for item

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H2 presented from director Wright that

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was added to the dis and available for

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>> Um, also one last late communication.

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» Um, also one last late communication.

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I've distributed to the members that are

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here and we'll make sure director

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Wilshshire gets a copy. We will be

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conducting the general manager's

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performance evaluation soon. So I've

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given you a work all a worksheet uh to

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help us with those and we'll be using

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those when we when we meet officially

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with the the general manager. Okay.

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Uh any ceremonial matters or

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presentations? Madam clerk?

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>> No, Mr. President.

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» Public comments. This is the uh time set

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aside for folks in the audience to make

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comments within our jurisdiction

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which are not on the agenda this

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evening. Um we have

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Sue Lester I think Sue.

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» Thank you President Schaffefer um and

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the board. I this counts for any

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comments I make tonight. I'm here

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representing myself as a rateayer and a

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resident even though I am the

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chairperson of the CAC. My opinions do

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not reflect that of any of the other

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members or the um the body itself. Um,

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my comment tonight for public comment

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relates to past compensation for board

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members. And what prompted that was a um

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staff meeting that came out January 13th

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that wasn't handled at a board meeting

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um that stated that meetings with GM PDM

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weren't covered. um that meetings with

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staff members weren't covered and that

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meetings with um other board members

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weren't covered. Um so I looked up the

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operations code to kind of read what it

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said. I looked up your ordinance number

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55 that is referenced on the expense

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sheets and the one that you guys have

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online is actually not up to date with

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the one that you use now. I couldn't

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find it. It has like half the amount of

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meetings. So, I'm sure I just didn't

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find it. So, if someone could direct me

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to that after, that would be great. Um,

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what I did is I I looked up every single

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compensation sheet of every board member

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of the five people who are currently on

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the board and the last two members of

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the board from December 15, 2025 board

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meetings back through 7:26 21 because

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that's as far back as I could go online.

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And um I went through all the sheets and

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found a lot of sheets where general

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manager meetings were um compensated. I

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found past Ecoex Expo meetings that were

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compensated that have recently been said

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that you couldn't be compensated for

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them. Um there were there were a lot of

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things in relation to the statement um

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on the September the January 13th

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report from the attorney that made me

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curious like how did this start? I I

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think that it started many years ago but

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could find where it didn't happen

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anymore. I think it started because

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board members were and this is

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assumption were going to so many

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meetings that they just listed all the

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meetings by date and then they got

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compensated for six and I think that

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created some confusion. I think that and

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I mentioned this before if you're going

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to be compensated for six meetings then

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it should just say that six meetings on

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there so there's no confusion as to

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what's an eligible meeting and what

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any member of this board or any member

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of the previous board was trying to get

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paid for something they weren't entitled

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to. So I want to be really clear on

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that. That is not what I am saying here

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at all. But what I am saying is I went

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through I highlighted any time something

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showed up that according to the

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statement that came out

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>> shouldn't have applied and I found 151

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instances where those things were listed

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on sheets that if you multiplied $295

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it's over $44,000. Now the good news is

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is that I don't think some of those

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matter because there were enough

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meetings to compensate for the things

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that were listed. But I did find 78

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instances um that are valued at over

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$2,300,000.

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and I don't know who should look into

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it. Um the board submitted,

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approved, and accepted the compensation.

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I don't think you did it with any

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malice. And if there are in fact

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meetings that were compensated that

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see the board take some kind of action

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to recoup that money because it's

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district money that shouldn't have been

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paid if that is in fact what happened.

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looked in government code like what if

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there's an overpayment and it doesn't

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say on any of the things that are

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references referenced as it relates to

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compensation. And I think it's because

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this kind of stuff isn't supposed to

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happen, but it I'm fairly certain that

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it did based on what I have read so far.

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» The time is concluded.

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>> That's it. Okay. Well, I I have more if

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» That's it. Okay. Well, I I have more if

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anybody's interested and I have copies

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to share if I can help you.

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>> Thank you. Um any other public comments?

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» Thank you. Um any other public comments?

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Seeing none, we will move to the consent

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calendar. Um, I'm going to We have

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questions on the consent calendar for

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item four. So, I'm going to pull item

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>> Move for approval of the other items.

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» Move for approval of the other items.

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>> All right. We have a motion to accept

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» All right. We have a motion to accept

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the consent calendar except for item

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four. And

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there's no discussion. We'll have a roll

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call vote, please.

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>> Thank you. Director Wright.

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>> Director Wilshshire.

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» Director Wilshshire.

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>> Yes. Secretary Perry.

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» Yes. Secretary Perry.

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» Yes.

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>> Vice President Utton.

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» Vice President Utton.

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>> Yes.

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» Yes.

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>> President Schaefer.

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» President Schaefer.

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>> Yes. Okay. Item four, um, which is

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» Yes. Okay. Item four, um, which is

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director compensation and reinbursement

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of expenses. We have public comment from

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Sue Lester. You're up again.

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>> Um, I'd like to ask for a minute. I I

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» Um, I'd like to ask for a minute. I I

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can't get on my um I can't get on the

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Costa Mesa Sanitary District website. I

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would like to have staff help me get on.

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I usually can, but for some reason

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tonight I can't.

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>> Yeah, when I tried to log in, it said it

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» Yeah, when I tried to log in, it said it

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wasn't an approved site.

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>> Oh, no.

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» Oh, no.

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>> I was able to go through.

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» I was able to go through.

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>> Sorry, Sue.

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I have paper copies of most of the

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items, but

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» Oh, that's the maybe that was the

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reason. Oh, you know what it is? It's

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not on the It's been deleted from the

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list.

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>> See,

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» nice having our grandkids here to help

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us with computers, isn't it, Bob?

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Were you talking to me?

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>> No.

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» No.

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>> Sorry.

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» Sorry.

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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» Okay. Thank you.

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>> Yep. That's it. And we are

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» Okay. Thank you.

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>> Great. Thank you, Nolan. All right. So,

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» Great. Thank you, Nolan. All right. So,

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I'm sorry for the interruption. Go right

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ahead.

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>> No, no. Um my um question suggestion I

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» No, no. Um my um question suggestion I

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guess is because there's

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all this conversation coming up about

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what is an appropriate expense and again

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there are two expense sheets submitted

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one by President Schaefer and one by

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Nicole Wilshshire that just says meeting

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with Scott meeting with GM and since

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that hasn't been addressed yet and

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because of the concern concerns I

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brought up with past expenses. I would

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ask the board to wait um on approving

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these two

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expense sheets until it's determined

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what exactly is supposed to be happening

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because looking at the um

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the staff report from January 13th and

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then looking at the staff report for J

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tonight tonight that's later on in the

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agenda. addressing these things and if

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you vote whatever you vote on tonight um

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I can't imagine it would change what

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happens in the past but I don't know um

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so I would I would just think that not

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approving the expenses with meetings

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with the GM when you have a staff report

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that says they don't qualify um would be

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a smart thing to do that's all thank you

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» I would like to ask

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to provide I if you have that material

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on on the first item that you spoke to,

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I I would like a copy of that. Um, and I

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I I think it's

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um

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hopefully it's appropriate because she

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said she had x number of meetings that

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she thought uh did not meet the the

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present criteria.

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Uh, and I I just I've been on the board

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for a long time. I can't imagine

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more than a few instances where

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directors ask for compensation

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and

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um

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each time it was granted

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a limited number. So, M Sue Sue has

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um gone through her own personal idea of

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what the meetings are and I I would like

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to see a copy of that. Um

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>> no.

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» Well, I'd like it, you know, some you we

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can meet after the meeting, but

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>> Yeah. Um

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» Yeah. Um

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>> because I because I think because I

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» because I because I think because I

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think it's a serious accusation.

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Um

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>> can we debate or can we discuss

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» can we debate or can we discuss

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>> we can discuss but we're not going to

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» we can discuss but we're not going to

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we're not going to get involved with a

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debate with a member

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>> just as it comes to approving this

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» just as it comes to approving this

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compensation form since we're obviously

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going to talk about it even further

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later in the meeting. Um, I feel

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comfortable approving this compensation

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form in its state

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uh based off of our existing ordinance

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under um item 28 which provides that any

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other meeting which directly involves

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the district can be claimed for

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compensation. And I believe that that's

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the that's the way I was trained when I

403
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was onboarded that those meetings fall

404
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under that as it is with the d the

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general manager of the district. So,

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>> I'll second the motion.

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» I'll second the motion.

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>> We have a motion

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» We have a motion

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>> to accept number four.

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» to accept number four.

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>> To accept number four and a second. Um,

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» To accept number four and a second. Um,

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roll call, please.

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>> Yes.

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» Yes.

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>> Director Wright,

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» Director Wright,

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>> yes.

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» yes.

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>> Director Wchair,

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» Director Wchair,

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>> yes.

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» yes.

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>> Secretary Perry,

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» Secretary Perry,

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>> yes.

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» yes.

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>> Vice President Utton,

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» Vice President Utton,

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>> yes.

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» yes.

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>> President Schaefer,

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» President Schaefer,

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>> yes. Okay. So, consent calendar item

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» yes. Okay. So, consent calendar item

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number four is passed.

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That will take us to

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my computer now.

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>> Public hearing. Public hearing.

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» Public hearing. Public hearing.

442
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>> Yeah, there are no public hearings this

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» Yeah, there are no public hearings this

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evening. And so we'll go to uh section

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E, the general manager report. Item one.

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Scott.

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>> Thank you, Mr. President. Dana Wick will

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» Thank you, Mr. President. Dana Wick will

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be giving his report.

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» Good evening, Mr. President and board.

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Can you hear me? Okay.

452
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The new mics. Okay.

453
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>> [clears throat]

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» [clears throat]

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>> At the December 9th uh 2025 study

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» At the December 9th uh 2025 study

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session, the board reviewed background

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and fiscal considerations related to the

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possible reinstatement of Kalpers's

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administered health benefits for board

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members. That discussion included PEPA

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authority, historical district

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participation,

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benchmarking of comparable special

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districts, and long-term cost

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projections. The board requested

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additional clarification on policy

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compliance and they had administrative

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questions. This report responds to those

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requests based on staff's current

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preliminary understanding.

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I do want to say this report

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isformational only. The information has

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not been reviewed by by [clears throat]

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the district's labor and employment

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council.

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So the board requested information

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information on the section 125 cafeteria

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plan. The district section 125 plan is

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structured for employees only. Board

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members are are not included and

482
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expanding the participation could

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introduce administrative and compliance

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issues. Under the current structure,

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board member premium payments would

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generally be post tax.

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The board requested additional

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clarification regarding Kalpers's rate

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setting and the potential impact of

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current of the current federal

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environment. Kalpers premiums are

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determined using historical claims and

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cost trends. Premium increases have

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occurred historically under different

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federal policy environments and no

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specific federal changes are anticipated

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at this time that would alter Kalpers's

498
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rate setting approach

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at the study session. The timing of

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board compensation and the advanced

501
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payment of the health premiums was also

502
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discussed. Health premiums are paid in

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advance while board stipens are paid on

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a monthly basis.

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This timing mismatch may create

506
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temporary shortfalls. Administrative

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options could include a defined grace

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period or repayment process supported by

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whatever the direction the board would

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give on this.

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Uh the board requested clarification on

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providing defined dollar contributions

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toward health coverage outside of

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Kalpers's health plans. And under PMPA,

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employer contributions for participants

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in the Kalpers's health program must be

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applied exclus exclusively to Kalpers's

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administered plans. Cash payments or

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defined dollar contributions outside of

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Kalpers would typically be treated as

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taxable compensation.

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Alternative coverage arrangements may

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raise PEMPA participation and

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administrative concerns. The board also

525
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requested information about HSAs and HAS

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and HSAs are limited to individuals

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enrolled in qualifying high deductible

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plans and are not available to those

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enrolled in Medicare.

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HAS are employer funded and require

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separate administration. Has may be a

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potential limited supplemental option

533
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subject to further evaluation.

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Uh with these considerations in mind,

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staff eval evaluated the potential

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financial impacts using conservative

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planning assumptions. Public agencies

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must evaluate long-term fiscal impacts,

539
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not just initial costs. The analysis

540
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assumes full participation by all five

541
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board members to remain conservative.

542
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Monthly benefit levels analyzed were

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from 680 to $850

544
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per month as directed by the board

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costs are not included in the adopted

546
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fiscal year 2526 or the fiscal year 2627

547
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budget. [clears throat]

548
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So, with the $680 monthly benefit option

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for fiscal year 2526, which would be

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just February through Jer June, um it

551
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would cost $3,400 for one board member

552
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and $17,000 for all five. Staff

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anticipate sufficient unspent funds to

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cover these costs, barring any

555
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unforeseen emergencies.

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And for the f fiscal year 2627,

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the annual cost would be $8,300 for one

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00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,880
board member and $41,300

559
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,760
for all five board members.

560
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:28,000
Looking at the $850 a month benefit

561
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,799
option for fiscal year 2526, again,

562
00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:33,039
February through June, it would cost

563
00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:34,559
$4,300

564
00:20:34,559 --> 00:20:37,600
for one board member and 21,300 for all

565
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,600
five. For fiscal year 2627,

566
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,640
the annual cost would be $10,300 for one

567
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,919
board member and $51,600

568
00:20:47,919 --> 00:20:50,799
for all five. Staff believes existing

569
00:20:50,799 --> 00:20:53,520
funds are sufficient for one to four

570
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,679
board members. Again, barring any

571
00:20:55,679 --> 00:20:58,559
unforeseen emergencies. If all five

572
00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:00,799
members wanted to participate, staff

573
00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:03,520
projects a budget shortfall of up to

574
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,039
$25,080

575
00:21:05,039 --> 00:21:07,679
in the wastewater fund. staff

576
00:21:07,679 --> 00:21:11,039
anticipates a fiscal year 2526 surplus

577
00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:13,120
could be appropriated to offset this

578
00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:15,919
shortfall. And again, I want to emphas

579
00:21:15,919 --> 00:21:18,400
emphasize that this item is being

580
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,159
presented prior to completion of legal

581
00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:22,720
review and all information is pre

582
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,080
preliminary subject to change. So staff

583
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,400
just is recommending that the board

584
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,559
would receive this follow-up information

585
00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,039
and direct staff on whether and how to

586
00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:35,679
continue evaluating health benefits for

587
00:21:35,679 --> 00:21:39,120
board members. Um, I'm available for

588
00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:40,720
questions. Caitlyn Tran, finance

589
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,440
manager, is also online if if you would

590
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,559
like to direct any questions to her.

591
00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:51,039
Let me start, let me lead off. Um,

592
00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:54,000
ever since I was elected to this board

593
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,640
the first time,

594
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,640
the definition of an employee has always

595
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,799
evaded me.

596
00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:04,630
>> We're not considered employees.

597
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:04,640
» We're not considered employees.

598
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:09,760
uh in one sense, but yet we get a W2 at

599
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,520
the end of the year, which W2s are

600
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,440
usually used for salaried employees,

601
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,240
right? As an independent contractor,

602
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,200
when I was working, I received a 1099

603
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,720
for my compensation, which indicated,

604
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,720
you know, I was not officially an

605
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,720
employee. We also participate in the

606
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,240
empower

607
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,200
deferred compensation program. We all

608
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,720
do.

609
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,480
So

610
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,880
generally speaking, those are offered to

611
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,760
employees. So I'm really struggling with

612
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,000
this idea of whether we're employees or

613
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,240
not. And I want to know if we do know

614
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,000
who defines whether we're an employee or

615
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,679
not. Is that is that a legislated

616
00:22:57,679 --> 00:23:00,240
idea or is it just we assume we're not

617
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,400
employees because we don't have to show

618
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,960
up for regular hours to a certain

619
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,640
extent? Um

620
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,440
why are we not employees if we're

621
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:17,110
getting a W2?

622
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:18,880
I and I can I mean I can I can turn I

623
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:19,760
could

624
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:20,789
>> I'll turn over to district council but

625
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:20,799
» I'll turn over to district council but

626
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:22,640
maybe before I I can tell we had a

627
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,159
discussion at a board meeting and I

628
00:23:24,159 --> 00:23:26,080
could in a future board meeting or or a

629
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,320
week I can send that staff report to all

630
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,080
the board members where district council

631
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,400
determined it's been uh elected

632
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,000
officials are not employees. We've had

633
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,520
that discussion in the past.

634
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,110
>> Well I I know we've had the discussion

635
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:37,120
» Well I I know we've had the discussion

636
00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:39,760
in the past but what overriding

637
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,240
legislation or what overriding authority

638
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,240
says I'm not an employee of the

639
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,320
district? the the law, the statutory

640
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,799
schemes for every subject is different

641
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:51,679
and there's different uh definitions of

642
00:23:51,679 --> 00:23:53,200
employee depending on whether it's

643
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,720
you're dealing with taxes, whether

644
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,559
you're an employee for workers comp,

645
00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:58,559
whether you're an employee for the

646
00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:01,919
retirement system and all of them. The

647
00:24:01,919 --> 00:24:04,000
most recent one is the whole thing with

648
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,480
Uber Eatats and the those people in that

649
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,279
industry and that's a very u defined

650
00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:12,799
definition but that's dealing with

651
00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:14,159
whether or not you have to pay all the

652
00:24:14,159 --> 00:24:16,400
benefits and the workers comp and all of

653
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,640
that. So it changes depending on the

654
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:19,919
statutory scheme

655
00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:21,909
>> and we are covered by our workers

656
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:21,919
» and we are covered by our workers

657
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:24,240
compensation while we're in the course

658
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,720
of our duties as a board member. We are

659
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,559
covered by workers compensation

660
00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:30,549
>> and that's a separate category. I know

661
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:30,559
» and that's a separate category. I know

662
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:34,159
then employees. Um I I do know I don't

663
00:24:34,159 --> 00:24:35,840
think that you can serve on a board and

664
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,760
be an employee of the organization, but

665
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,520
I I and I know I've read this, so I'll

666
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,960
have to look like Scott said, we'll have

667
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,159
to come back with that.

668
00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:45,909
>> Okay. Okay, that's fine. Um

669
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:45,919
» Okay. Okay, that's fine. Um

670
00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:49,750
>> I I went online and and um board

671
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:49,760
» I I went online and and um board

672
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,480
members, at least

673
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,200
the things that I read, said the board

674
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,120
members are not employees. But I I I

675
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:02,559
understand director Schaefer's director

676
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:03,760
President Schaeer

677
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,909
>> Mike is question.

678
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:05,919
» Mike is question.

679
00:25:05,919 --> 00:25:10,870
>> Um you know and it deserves an answer.

680
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:10,880
» Um you know and it deserves an answer.

681
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,470
Um

682
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,320
there was a question at the last

683
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,559
discussion of this about what we had

684
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:24,720
done previously and in my tenure as a

685
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,360
director we have had one director who

686
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:30,080
was covered by medical. We put him on

687
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,480
the medical but he paid the entire

688
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,559
premium himself. Is that isn't that

689
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:35,440
correct?

690
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,590
>> Yes.

691
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:37,600
» Yes.

692
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,880
I think it just gave him the ability to

693
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,000
um have the insurance option.

694
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:44,390
>> Um

695
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:44,400
» Um

696
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,870
>> I remember now where where that

697
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:46,880
» I remember now where where that

698
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,000
definition was and basically it comes

699
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,320
from the the I think the fourth

700
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,720
amendment of the constitution of the

701
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,080
United States. Uh I was looking at due

702
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,000
process

703
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,480
um information.

704
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,360
Um and I think I think that's where the

705
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,279
definition

706
00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:09,360
where I got that definition. Although, I

707
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:10,480
was looking at a lot of different

708
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,830
articles.

709
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,840
» Um, the other thing that struck me in

710
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,600
your report,

711
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,320
being on Medicare myself, it says HS

712
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,320
HSAs are not eligible for employer, I'm

713
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,520
sorry, Medicare is a non-qualifier for

714
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,440
an employer HSA contribution.

715
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,279
So, if we don't have an employer,

716
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:38,320
then do we fall into the being eligible

717
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,960
for an HSA? Because in one hand, we're

718
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,159
saying we're not an employee, but that

719
00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:47,600
one says an employer can't give his

720
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,200
employee an HSA contribution. Well, if

721
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,600
we're non-employees, we could then get

722
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:59,029
an HSA contribution.

723
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:01,200
or am I just mixing up words?

724
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,510
>> Well, that's why I would like to wait

725
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:03,520
» Well, that's why I would like to wait

726
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,000
for uh LCW to review this this report.

727
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,400
This is justformational. It's not um

728
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,880
that's why I was hesitant to even

729
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,400
include that, but I did want to come

730
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,440
back with you

731
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,950
>> to you with the information that you

732
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:16,960
» to you with the information that you

733
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,039
requested, whatever I could find. C

734
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:21,350
>> certainly appreciate that and that's a

735
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:21,360
» certainly appreciate that and that's a

736
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,520
great answer. I mean, let the legal

737
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,919
people look at it

738
00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:27,669
>> as far as I'm concerned. So, anyway,

739
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:27,679
» as far as I'm concerned. So, anyway,

740
00:27:27,679 --> 00:27:29,520
I'll open it up. Anybody else?

741
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,070
>> I'm ready.

742
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:30,080
» I'm ready.

743
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,390
>> Go ahead.

744
00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:32,400
» Go ahead.

745
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,070
>> Well, as you know, I love sharing my

746
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:34,080
» Well, as you know, I love sharing my

747
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,760
memos with you guys, but I didn't get

748
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,919
this one done in time to get it in front

749
00:27:37,919 --> 00:27:41,600
of you, but I um yeah, I really

750
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,240
appreciate the report and I have kind of

751
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,000
like

752
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,200
a checklist of questions for each one.

753
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,799
Um for context though I do feel like

754
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:55,919
some components of the previous report

755
00:27:55,919 --> 00:27:58,480
would have been helpful for members of

756
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,520
the public to see which is uh

757
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,320
contextually every other elected body in

758
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,120
the city of Costa Mesa provides their

759
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:10,399
elected officials with benefits. Um, in

760
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:13,440
addition, we looked at 13 of the other

761
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,760
special districts in Orange County, and

762
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,200
11 out of 13 of them provide benefits.

763
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,799
Then staff showed us um on the high

764
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:27,279
range $1,200 a month and showed us some

765
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:30,080
of our neighboring uh governing bodies

766
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,880
are receiving over 2,200 a month. And so

767
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,919
I did try to be really intentional

768
00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:42,559
and um reserved about that 650 to 800

769
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:45,600
range. And um I really appreciate your

770
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,600
guys' support in understanding where I

771
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,159
was coming from with that. It also is

772
00:28:50,159 --> 00:28:54,080
the minimum amount to cover one the

773
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,880
lowest plan for one person.

774
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,679
Um, so I think that would have been help

775
00:28:59,679 --> 00:29:01,760
like helpful context to add into the

776
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,360
report just in the future when we have

777
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,200
like compounding

778
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,159
uh items like this to make sure that

779
00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:10,480
anybody that's accessing it today can

780
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,320
also see all the history of like past

781
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,240
reports we've received. I think that

782
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,320
would be smart. Also, you guys put all

783
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,240
that work and research into it anyways.

784
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,760
So, okay. So, let's go item by item. So,

785
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,360
section 125, the cafeteria plan. So my I

786
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,279
actually went the o the opposite. My

787
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:29,760
understanding was that we were proposing

788
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,919
to not add board members to the existing

789
00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:34,480
employee plan, but that we would rather

790
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,919
establish a separate policy and Kalper's

791
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:40,080
resolution specific to the board as if

792
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,679
we're our own cohort. Do you recall that

793
00:29:43,679 --> 00:29:46,000
discussion in the past?

794
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,990
>> I don't recall that the board wanted to

795
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:48,000
» I don't recall that the board wanted to

796
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,919
do a whole separate one. No, that's I

797
00:29:49,919 --> 00:29:52,159
think that's kind of

798
00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:54,470
>> what we're looking for is is is what you

799
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:54,480
» what we're looking for is is is what you

800
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,600
do want.

801
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,710
>> Yeah. So that was my understand.

802
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:58,720
» Yeah. So that was my understand.

803
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,070
>> Yeah. So that was my understanding in

804
00:30:00,070 --> 00:30:00,080
» Yeah. So that was my understanding in

805
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,640
our past meeting was we're our own like

806
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,799
employee pool in a way. However you want

807
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:08,480
to categorize us. Um and so if that is

808
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,039
the case, I don't see the section 125

809
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,520
plan as a limiting factor uh in

810
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,039
proceeding with the Kalpers's benefits

811
00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:18,000
for board members. But what I'm a theme

812
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,120
I'm hearing with this item is we need to

813
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,520
clarify some administrative direction so

814
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,159
that they can form a policy. It seems

815
00:30:26,159 --> 00:30:28,000
like as they were researching how to do

816
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,000
this for us, they ca they came across a

817
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,159
lot of forks in the road of like should

818
00:30:32,159 --> 00:30:33,200
we do this or that.

819
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,230
>> Can I interrupt?

820
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:34,240
» Can I interrupt?

821
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:34,549
>> Yes.

822
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:34,559
» Yes.

823
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,870
>> Because I you bring up a really good

824
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:36,880
» Because I you bring up a really good

825
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,919
point about us having our own separate

826
00:30:39,919 --> 00:30:44,159
plan. Do you know if the other other 11

827
00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:47,120
we I'd want to know whether the other 11

828
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,840
how they administer it. Do they do their

829
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:50,720
own separate calc?

830
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,789
>> I would like to know that too. They are

831
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:52,799
» I would like to know that too. They are

832
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,919
not transparency is not um

833
00:30:55,919 --> 00:30:56,789
>> so they're not [clears throat] giving up

834
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:56,799
» so they're not [clears throat] giving up

835
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:58,480
that information.

836
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,230
>> No,

837
00:31:00,230 --> 00:31:00,240
» No,

838
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,480
I know at the city level and I think

839
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,600
Newport Mesa too, it's a separate plan

840
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,240
from employees.

841
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,880
Yeah. Um, so maybe our neighboring

842
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,799
entities would give you more

843
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:15,200
information. Um, but yeah, so I'm going

844
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,480
to go through these and I'm going to

845
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,159
make personal or I'm going to make

846
00:31:18,159 --> 00:31:21,360
recommendations to lead up to a motion

847
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,760
of some sort because I think we do we

848
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,760
should be clear. So I'm suggesting a

849
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,919
separate plan, not not participating in

850
00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:31,440
the employee plan. And that makes a lot

851
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,799
of sense to me, too, because we're going

852
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:34,399
to have a much lower amount than the

853
00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:36,559
employees do. So, I don't want to make

854
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:38,559
your job more of a nightmare by

855
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:41,200
deviating from that. Okay, the next one.

856
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,159
Kalpers rates and federal factors. So,

857
00:31:44,159 --> 00:31:46,880
um I acknowledge that the Kalpers's

858
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,120
premiums can fluctuate annually based

859
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,279
off of um a myriad of factors and I

860
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,600
think it's consistent with how employee

861
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,000
benefits are managed, but doesn't appear

862
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,720
to present any unique concerns

863
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,279
specific to the board participation. So,

864
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:04,720
I think it was smart to put like a

865
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,799
macroeconomic

866
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,679
flag on our radar, but it's not really

867
00:32:09,679 --> 00:32:11,440
in our control what's going on on the

868
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,399
federal level anyways. Um, and I know

869
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:17,120
we're all cautiously watching our own

870
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,559
premiums and all that. Um, okay. Premium

871
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,919
timing and shortfalls. So, once again,

872
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:26,000
it seems that clear administrative

873
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,000
policy needs to be established in

874
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,159
regards of timing of payments, grace

875
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:32,640
periods, or repayment processes. if

876
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,120
premiums are paid in advance and stipens

877
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,360
are paid retroactively.

878
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,000
Um, this however feels like a

879
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000
straightforward implementation detail

880
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,519
that can be addressed in the final

881
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,799
policy language. I really would um defer

882
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:48,799
to you on a suggestion, but I don't

883
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:51,360
think it's something we have a strong

884
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,000
opinion on. Um, and I wouldn't want it

885
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,000
to delay any approval of a benefit

886
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,760
framework. But I I do think we need to

887
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,559
make sure this is all in the language as

888
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:03,600
to not cause any headaches once again

889
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,519
for you guys. Um okay, contributions.

890
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,440
Next one. Contributions outside of

891
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,120
Kalpers and health accounts. So, uh my

892
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,960
understanding is that the intent of this

893
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,960
item is to provide contributions

894
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,640
directly through Kalpers's

895
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,760
administrative plans. That said, I do

896
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,279
view the health reimbursement

897
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:25,919
arrangements as a preferred option for

898
00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:28,320
some providing flexible and equitable

899
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,600
support to board members. I would like

900
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,279
to ask staff to continue looking into

901
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,440
the steps that would be required toward

902
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,039
implement implementing an HRA if an HSA

903
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:46,880
seems to be too much of a conflict. Um,

904
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,960
however, what I'm curious about is can

905
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,240
it be phased alongside or can it follow

906
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,480
the re can it come later and follow the

907
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,960
reinstatement of the Kalpers plan? Like

908
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,120
maybe bundling them together is too

909
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,720
complicated because they would be

910
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,519
treated differently. So in the meantime,

911
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:05,440
I do believe reinstating the Kalpers's

912
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,000
benefit remains uh an appropriate and

913
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,320
practical first step.

914
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,560
So that is my thoughts on that one. And

915
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,760
then uh as far as the financial review,

916
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,440
so like I already said, I appreciate

917
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,960
that you guys have incorporated the

918
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,679
ranges um that I had originally

919
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,320
researched and recommended and I also

920
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,839
appreciate the updated financial

921
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:31,119
projections. Um

922
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:33,520
I also really appreciate that you guys

923
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,399
took the time to look into how we could

924
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:39,359
ensure we have sufficient funds to cover

925
00:34:39,359 --> 00:34:42,879
um any partial year costs for 2526. and

926
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:44,960
knowing 2627

927
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,240
budget can accommodate participation.

928
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:51,679
Um, and then like I said, consistent

929
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,679
with our earlier discussion, I do

930
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,119
support this contribution range. Um, I'm

931
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:58,640
I want to hear what you guys think

932
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,440
about, you know, the 680 versus the 850,

933
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,960
but I've just kind of been uh engaging

934
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,440
with this report still accepting the

935
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,520
range. I can't say that I have a Yeah, I

936
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,040
can't say that I have a strong opinion

937
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,920
towards either or. Um, but in

938
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,760
conclusion, so in conclusion, I believe

939
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,760
the information before us strongly

940
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,280
supports moving forward with the

941
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,440
Kalpers's benefits for our board

942
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,920
members. I believe this action is

943
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,160
consistent with local and regional norms

944
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,320
as every major local government body in

945
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,040
Costa Mesa provides health benefits to

946
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,200
his elected to its elected officials and

947
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,200
11 out of 13 comparable special

948
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,520
districts in Orange County currently

949
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,000
offer healthcare benefits. I believe

950
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,680
it's clearly within the district's legal

951
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,920
authority. I believe we have been

952
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,079
fiscally responsible in the range we are

953
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:52,560
requesting particularly especially when

954
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,640
modeled using any realistic

955
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,040
participation assumptions

956
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,560
and I also believe that it is

957
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,560
appropriate and deserved recognizing the

958
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,640
time responsibility and service required

959
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,240
of board members in carrying out

960
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,640
district governance. Reinstating these

961
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,880
benefits does not represent an outlier

962
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,520
decision. It brings the district in line

963
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,160
with standard public sector practice and

964
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,839
demonstrates a reasonable investment

965
00:36:15,839 --> 00:36:18,000
into effective governance. I'm

966
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,599
comfortable with staff continuing to

967
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,920
finalize administrative policies, legal

968
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,320
review, and I support directing staff to

969
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,400
proceed toward implementation consistent

970
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,240
with the range that we have previously

971
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:29,839
discussed.

972
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:32,960
So that is my report for you guys. Thank

973
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,000
you. Um Diana,

974
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,400
uh couple things

975
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,160
and then Nicole, I'll I'm going to turn

976
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,160
it over to you in just a second. Um

977
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,000
when you when you did the financial

978
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,480
review in the table and the projected

979
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,200
differences from year to year, are those

980
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,800
based on what we

981
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,320
think we know premiums are going to do?

982
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,640
or not we, but whoever's giving you the

983
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,119
premiums, are those projections based on

984
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,599
what they're saying or where where do

985
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:07,599
those increases come from?

986
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:09,510
>> I I'll let Caitlyn answer, but I believe

987
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:09,520
» I I'll let Caitlyn answer, but I believe

988
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,560
the report says um she assumed it's it's

989
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,119
been about a 2.54

990
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:18,000
increase. Is that Caitlyn what what you

991
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,359
based it on?

992
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:24,550
>> Yes. Um we uh look back a few years and

993
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:24,560
» Yes. Um we uh look back a few years and

994
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,839
um it was two it's 2.54

995
00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:32,880
um increase each year.

996
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,720
Um so I just base on that increase

997
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:40,560
starting with um the amount that you set

998
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:46,230
680 and 850.

999
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:48,960
Uh, and we're not taking into account

1000
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,640
what's going on on the federal level

1001
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,160
with premiums and all of that stuff. So,

1002
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,280
we're just using a historical

1003
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,030
>> that Yes.

1004
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:59,040
» that Yes.

1005
00:37:59,040 --> 00:37:59,910
>> so to speak.

1006
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:59,920
» so to speak.

1007
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,750
>> Yes. The previous factors that that

1008
00:38:01,750 --> 00:38:01,760
» Yes. The previous factors that that

1009
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,839
Kalpers has used. Yes.

1010
00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:08,150
>> What Kaitlin? What was 2.54?

1011
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,320
» Yes. 2.54%.

1012
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,150
>> Okay. back

1013
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:12,160
» Okay. back

1014
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,230
>> that's I'm sorry that's the increase of

1015
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:14,240
» that's I'm sorry that's the increase of

1016
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:17,839
the pmpka amount each year the minimum

1017
00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:20,160
pmpka amount

1018
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,109
>> great um back to this transparency thing

1019
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:23,119
» great um back to this transparency thing

1020
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:25,920
and why the other districts if if we're

1021
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,920
going to have Kalpers administer it

1022
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,160
can't Kalpers tell you what

1023
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,870
>> I can't we get that opinion or that

1024
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:32,880
» I can't we get that opinion or that

1025
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,960
direction from Kalpers won't they say to

1026
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,760
us yeah we can create a separate plan

1027
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,280
for the board

1028
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,190
>> a a separate health plan

1029
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:43,200
» a a separate health plan

1030
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,550
>> separate policy I'm sorry

1031
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:44,560
» separate policy I'm sorry

1032
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,390
>> so what we would have to do first step

1033
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:46,400
» so what we would have to do first step

1034
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,839
is a resolution stating that um we

1035
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:52,480
elected officials will be receiving

1036
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,119
health care that's the first step and

1037
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:58,240
then calpers would administer the plan

1038
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:00,390
>> they're not going to do anything until

1039
00:39:00,390 --> 00:39:00,400
» they're not going to do anything until

1040
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,839
we make a decision on whether we're

1041
00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:02,880
going to do it or not

1042
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,069
>> right

1043
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:04,079
» right

1044
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,870
>> helpers um

1045
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:06,880
» helpers um

1046
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:07,280
okay

1047
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,030
>> wait I'm So, so what what did you want

1048
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:09,040
» wait I'm So, so what what did you want

1049
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,560
to know from Kalpers?

1050
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,430
>> When I asked, you know, what the whether

1051
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:13,440
» When I asked, you know, what the whether

1052
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,240
the other districts in the county had

1053
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,119
done a separate plan for the for the

1054
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,040
boards, you said that the other

1055
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,480
districts aren't giving up that

1056
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,040
information.

1057
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,230
>> Well, it's not been um I I would have to

1058
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:26,240
» Well, it's not been um I I would have to

1059
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,480
reach out and see what I can find out,

1060
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,800
but I don't know. I don't know if they

1061
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,960
give the board an extra stipend. I don't

1062
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,880
know how I don't know that it's it's

1063
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,720
necessarily Kalpers's plans that they're

1064
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,960
paying into. I don't know how they're

1065
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,160
going about it and

1066
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,680
Oh, that's all I'm going to say.

1067
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,829
>> Yeah. And they're not giving it up that

1068
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:45,839
» Yeah. And they're not giving it up that

1069
00:39:45,839 --> 00:39:46,470
>> Well, let me

1070
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:46,480
» Well, let me

1071
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,030
>> and we don't and I and I want to do my

1072
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:49,040
» and we don't and I and I want to do my

1073
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,760
due diligence and do everything we do be

1074
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,760
the up and up. I'm not going to rely on

1075
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,240
what other agencies are doing.

1076
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:57,270
>> No, that [clears throat] that's

1077
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:57,280
» No, that [clears throat] that's

1078
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,800
terrific.

1079
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,200
If that if it's a reimbursement policy

1080
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,079
by any of those districts, it probably

1081
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:06,560
would be explained in their in their

1082
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,079
policy

1083
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:09,040
manuals.

1084
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,550
>> Well, but for employees, yes, but um for

1085
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:12,560
» Well, but for employees, yes, but um for

1086
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,200
elected officials, um I guess it would

1087
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,880
be something in operations code. Maybe

1088
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,640
Allan can steer me in the right

1089
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,079
direction with that.

1090
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:21,510
>> Well, the only thing I was going to say

1091
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:21,520
» Well, the only thing I was going to say

1092
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,440
is restate the obvious. It's a public

1093
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,440
record. Do a public records request.

1094
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,680
They have to comply within 10 days.

1095
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:27,920
That's

1096
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,430
>> as we're as we're painfully aware.

1097
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:29,440
» as we're as we're painfully aware.

1098
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,390
>> Thanks for reading my mind. [laughter]

1099
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:32,400
» Thanks for reading my mind. [laughter]

1100
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:38,150
>> Uh Nicole, anything just any comments?

1101
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,520
» Um yeah, I mean I I'm all for making all

1102
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,160
of this totally transparent and fair and

1103
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,160
in alignment with what all of the other

1104
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,119
agencies are doing. I don't I don't

1105
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,119
think that we necessarily need anything

1106
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,520
above and beyond. Um, it's just I just

1107
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,040
think that it's really important that we

1108
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,599
keep this role attractive

1109
00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:59,680
to talent. I think it's important that

1110
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,000
we're attracting, you know, people who

1111
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,599
really want to serve. And if we don't

1112
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:09,599
make this role attractive for

1113
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:11,680
working people, if we only make it

1114
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,160
attractive for people who don't need any

1115
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,280
sort of um compensation, then it makes

1116
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,079
me worry about who who ultimately is

1117
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:22,800
going to be representing us. So to

1118
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,040
reiterate, if we don't make this

1119
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,760
attractive for working people, then

1120
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,040
we're not going to have working people

1121
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,599
represent us. So

1122
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:34,230
>> thank you. Um there's no other comments

1123
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:34,240
» thank you. Um there's no other comments

1124
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:37,440
from the Go ahead. Um I I think to go

1125
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,599
along with what Nicole, Director

1126
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:44,800
Wilshshire said is um we have we have we

1127
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:51,040
have a a benefit program u that we

1128
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,200
talked to pro p prospective employees

1129
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,880
concerning

1130
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,599
and we are

1131
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:04,079
and have discussed as a board um keeping

1132
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:07,520
those the employee benefits

1133
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,040
um in line with you know with with um

1134
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,560
other agencies so that we're

1135
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,640
competitive. So each time we we've hired

1136
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,640
an employee,

1137
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:23,599
um I think staff is made note of uh we

1138
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:27,440
need to have benefits in line with other

1139
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,359
agencies

1140
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:32,960
uh so that we can attract good staff and

1141
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,040
we have good staff. But um I I think

1142
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,560
staff

1143
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,040
has said on numerous occasions that we

1144
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,079
need we need to be competitive

1145
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:47,119
so that we get so that we can acquire

1146
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:50,560
good employees and that is parallel to

1147
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:55,280
what I think uh director Wright has said

1148
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,880
um concerning directors

1149
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,440
potential benefits.

1150
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,920
Um, I'm all for staying competitive

1151
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,359
uh w with with

1152
00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:12,960
employee benefits and especially when

1153
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,640
we're trying to hire uh new employees. I

1154
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,480
I think that is something that an

1155
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,160
employee will look at. Um, and I think

1156
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,520
director Wilshshire has sort of said or

1157
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,400
maybe directly said exactly the same

1158
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,839
thing for directors.

1159
00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:33,750
>> Um, before I open up for public

1160
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:33,760
» Um, before I open up for public

1161
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,160
comments, essentially what you're asking

1162
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,720
or what you're recommending to us maybe

1163
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:40,880
is that we get this legal advice from

1164
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,800
our before we do anything. Is that

1165
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,710
>> Yes. Yes. I just would like some

1166
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:46,720
» Yes. Yes. I just would like some

1167
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:48,560
direction. I think staff would and and

1168
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,319
if and if you're saying no to don't

1169
00:43:50,319 --> 00:43:52,480
don't don't go any further in this area,

1170
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,160
let us know and we'll spend our time on

1171
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,079
the other areas or do you want us to

1172
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:58,880
continue with all of it?

1173
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,030
>> Um you mentioned earlier about due

1174
00:44:01,030 --> 00:44:01,040
» Um you mentioned earlier about due

1175
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,040
diligence. You've done a lot of due

1176
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,319
diligence and I know the five of us

1177
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:07,520
appreciate that. So

1178
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,630
>> Mr. Mr. President, I think it would also

1179
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:08,640
» Mr. Mr. President, I think it would also

1180
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,079
be helpful to us if the board can give

1181
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,480
us directions. Do you prefer $680 a

1182
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,800
month or 8850 per month? That that would

1183
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,319
also help us as well. What direction you

1184
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:16,880
want to go?

1185
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,950
>> Marine I Okay. Yeah,

1186
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:18,960
» Marine I Okay. Yeah,

1187
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,030
>> I think we should go through each item

1188
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:21,040
» I think we should go through each item

1189
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,480
and just

1190
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,390
>> uh but we can do that after comment. I

1191
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:24,400
» uh but we can do that after comment. I

1192
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,599
have one more comment.

1193
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:28,390
>> Yeah. Um, so I was, like I said, I was

1194
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:28,400
» Yeah. Um, so I was, like I said, I was

1195
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,040
doing research to also prepare for the

1196
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,079
PDM item and

1197
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:38,480
um, it saddens me that this item has

1198
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,560
become, I think, quite hostile and

1199
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,000
assumed a malicious intent because

1200
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,200
uh, I I'm really passionate about fiscal

1201
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,920
responsibility and it's something that I

1202
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,960
ran on when I ran for the Mesa Water

1203
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,079
District Board. And as I was reading

1204
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,400
their current policy,

1205
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,000
um, under benefits other and benefits

1206
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,760
flex credit for a fivep person board on

1207
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,119
top of a almost $50,000

1208
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:15,200
salary, they're getting $50,000

1209
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,839
in benefits.

1210
00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:23,200
That includes a 401k plan. It includes

1211
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,040
travel stipens, conferences.

1212
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,319
I'm I was very attracted to the board

1213
00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:32,880
members that sit up here beside me

1214
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,839
because they showed so much humility and

1215
00:45:35,839 --> 00:45:38,720
restraint and commitment to the values

1216
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:44,560
of good governance. Um, and

1217
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,800
I just want you guys to know that if

1218
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,319
there is a passion for fiscal

1219
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:50,400
responsibility, I'll gladly join you all

1220
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,720
at a Mesa water board meeting down the

1221
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:54,240
road.

1222
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,000
Um,

1223
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,040
so yeah, I have more I I also researched

1224
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,800
a lot about their PDM and stuff and so

1225
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,119
I'll share more about it later, but um,

1226
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:04,720
you know, they're right down the street.

1227
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,240
So

1228
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:07,839
yeah, thanks for my final

1229
00:46:07,839 --> 00:46:08,230
>> thank you

1230
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:08,240
» thank you

1231
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:11,030
>> little quip there. So turning it over to

1232
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:11,040
» little quip there. So turning it over to

1233
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,839
public comments. Rosemary, I think you

1234
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:17,359
indicated. Okay.

1235
00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:19,990
>> Thank you, President Schiffer. I just

1236
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:20,000
» Thank you, President Schiffer. I just

1237
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,240
wanted to say that I uh do not support

1238
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:26,079
this proposal. Um because uh Director

1239
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:28,400
Wright mentioned that Mesa is not

1240
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,400
fiscally responsible doesn't mean that

1241
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,520
this proposal is fiscally responsible

1242
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:38,079
either. Um I do um it made me think the

1243
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:40,640
discussion of what an employee is. An

1244
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,599
employee is somebody who

1245
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:47,440
oftentimes is trained in the um industry

1246
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,319
that they plan to work in. They compete

1247
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:53,200
for a position against other applicants

1248
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,560
and they work normally a benefited

1249
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,960
40hour job uh to receive benefits such

1250
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,680
as medical, dental, retirement, things

1251
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,520
of that nature. Um, so I don't uh I

1252
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,040
definitely do see the distinction

1253
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,079
between an elected board member um who

1254
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:14,480
is from what I can tell very committed

1255
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,599
to the community longstanding members of

1256
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:20,800
the community. Also the distinction has

1257
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,520
been to learn on the job uh about um

1258
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,160
governing and assisting staff with some

1259
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,920
of these decisions. Um I don't agree

1260
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,280
that uh because every other agency

1261
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,359
receives benefits

1262
00:47:37,359 --> 00:47:40,160
um requires that this uh board of

1263
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,280
directors receive benefits. It is a very

1264
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,920
small district. The scope of work is

1265
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,599
extremely limited. This is not OCAN nor

1266
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:52,079
is it LAN.

1267
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:55,359
Um, I am a big fan of uh fiscal

1268
00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:57,040
responsibility

1269
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,240
uh and of course attracting uh top

1270
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:04,319
talent, but I also believe that uh

1271
00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:08,079
within the community we have a multitude

1272
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:10,160
of community members who would

1273
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,200
definitely love to sit in your chair um

1274
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,000
also without benefits particularly if

1275
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,480
they're only having to commit to a few

1276
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:38,790
additional meetings a month. Thank you.

1277
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,720
A minute, folks, while I get these set.

1278
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:45,040
Um,

1279
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,240
Celeste, you want to speak on this?

1280
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:51,200
Great.

1281
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,000
Thank you. Um, and thank you, President

1282
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,200
Schaefer, for asking what the prior

1283
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,440
benefits were that were available to the

1284
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,040
board because I thought it was odd that

1285
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,760
that hadn't been included. It says that

1286
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,440
you're entertaining reinstating

1287
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,839
benefits, but it never said what you did

1288
00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:10,400
prior. And so, thank you for clarifying

1289
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,599
that. Um, I also agree with Director

1290
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:15,440
Wright when she says it would have been

1291
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,720
helpful to include stuff that was

1292
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:21,760
presented at the meeting previously

1293
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,880
um as it relates to what other districts

1294
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,240
get and also the executive summary um

1295
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:30,480
and analysis that director Wright wrote

1296
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,760
because it's all part of the

1297
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,119
conversation that you guys already had

1298
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:34,559
and I don't know what the policy is on

1299
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:36,559
that but it I think it would be helpful

1300
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:39,680
for more people to understand. Um, I

1301
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,760
agree 100% with what Rosemary said. Um,

1302
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,240
I think that it's irresponsible for you

1303
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:48,480
guys to compare yourselves to the other

1304
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,200
districts because you are so different.

1305
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,960
Um, the city of Costa Mesa is

1306
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,480
serving

1307
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,480
the commercial needs and most

1308
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:03,440
multifamily homes um of solid waste. And

1309
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,480
I, you know, how how if you decide to

1310
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,160
move forward with this, which I hope you

1311
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,599
won't, like how would this be buil or is

1312
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:13,839
it going to be build by customer on the

1313
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:15,520
wastewater side? Is it going to be build

1314
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,280
by customer on the solid waste side?

1315
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,720
Because if you bill the solid waste

1316
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,319
customers for your benefits, because the

1317
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:22,319
money has to come somewhere, they're

1318
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:24,559
essentially paying for benefits for

1319
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,000
solid waste service they're not even

1320
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,720
getting because it's being provided by

1321
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:33,200
the city. Um, I think that advanced

1322
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,280
payments on medical is something that

1323
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,760
never happens in the private sector.

1324
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,559
People have to pay on the front end for

1325
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:42,960
the policy to cover them for that month.

1326
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:47,680
And you will run into trouble if um you

1327
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,880
are paying for somebody's medical and

1328
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,000
then deducting the expense. I think

1329
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,960
that's kind of a sloppy way to go. Um, I

1330
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,119
wouldn't advise that. I also think you

1331
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:01,599
should take into consideration that

1332
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:04,000
solid waste rates are continuing to go

1333
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,359
up. Um, they hadn't been raised in a

1334
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:10,400
very long time and in and they needed to

1335
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,920
increase. In 2017, solid waste rates

1336
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,280
were $216 per single family home. And

1337
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,599
for 2526, it's $35,852

1338
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:23,280
for a single family home, which is an

1339
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,950
increase of $142.52.

1340
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,640
the increase on the Orange County

1341
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,119
landfill rates that is I think it's the

1342
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:33,280
paper said it's going to hit January of

1343
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,960
2026 which is going to increase by 80%

1344
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,880
roughly has not been factored into what

1345
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,400
the district is going to have to pay and

1346
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,920
what the district in turn is going to

1347
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,480
have to pass along to the rate payer. I

1348
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,680
think the fact that you um I think you

1349
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,599
guys get paid fairly $295 is fair for

1350
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:55,760
preparing for a day of work. I know it

1351
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,839
some items take a really long time. Um

1352
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:03,520
but this is public service. This is not

1353
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,000
selfservice. We have a problem in this

1354
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,880
country with elected officials getting

1355
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,079
rich because of all the benefits and all

1356
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:14,000
the compensation that they get. Clearly

1357
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,400
that's not what's happening here. And

1358
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,119
I'm not applying that. But I I don't

1359
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:22,559
think you should give yourself benefits

1360
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:24,640
um because it's what everyone else is

1361
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,559
getting when your agency does not really

1362
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:31,920
sync up in terms of the amount of people

1363
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,359
you serve and how it's split like it is

1364
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:38,079
with all the other agencies that are

1365
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:38,880
listed.

1366
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,470
>> You have one minute, Miss Lester. Um,

1367
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:42,480
» You have one minute, Miss Lester. Um,

1368
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,559
I uh don't think that you guys should

1369
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:49,119
vote to do anything other than continue

1370
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:50,720
it if that's the direction you want to

1371
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:53,280
go considering that there's been no

1372
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,119
legal review. Um, I think that would be

1373
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:01,520
irresponsible and I I I

1374
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:06,480
would like to think that um

1375
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,440
I don't know. For me personally, I

1376
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,319
admire public servants who get paid a

1377
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:15,359
fair wage and do it because they care

1378
00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:17,119
and not because they're being offered a

1379
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:20,319
bunch of benefits, not because of what

1380
00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:24,400
they're going to gain. Um, and I think

1381
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,880
there's too much of that. And I think

1382
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,280
that we should look out for people

1383
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:30,880
regardless of whether we should treat

1384
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,640
everybody the same, whether we like them

1385
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,040
or not. And that's not what's happening

1386
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,559
in this country. And I I really hope

1387
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:41,280
that you guys look at the bigger picture

1388
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,319
here. Um, I I just think that this is a

1389
00:53:44,319 --> 00:53:47,760
bad time and an unnecessary expense for

1390
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,480
a elected position that takes a very

1391
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,319
small amount of time in comparison.

1392
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:56,150
Thank you.

1393
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,559
» Other public comments.

1394
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:00,240
Did you fill out a card?

1395
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:01,270
>> I did not.

1396
00:54:01,270 --> 00:54:01,280
» I did not.

1397
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,710
>> Did you fill out a card?

1398
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:02,720
» Did you fill out a card?

1399
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,270
>> It says I did not have to.

1400
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:05,280
» It says I did not have to.

1401
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:15,750
>> Take the take the dice.

1402
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,559
the public comment card, but um just as

1403
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:21,599
some information points here. In short,

1404
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:24,559
I I think this is a worthy topic to

1405
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:30,079
discuss and debate, but not um

1406
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:32,720
decide tonight or even anytime soon

1407
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:34,400
because it does have some long-standing

1408
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,720
issues, right? Um, I've been texting

1409
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:42,079
with some fellow citizens and this

1410
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:47,040
this topic the 680 850 no one knows what

1411
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,880
the next year let alone the next decade

1412
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,520
will have it. I could see that passing

1413
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,119
that number for the health benefits

1414
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:54,880
passing the compensation for the

1415
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,520
directors in short order in less than 10

1416
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,680
years and and no one can say otherwise

1417
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,280
right for a number of reasons with our

1418
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,440
health care system. So you should

1419
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,000
consider that. But I am torn. I see both

1420
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,119
sides. Uh I would first and director

1421
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:10,960
writes very good comments into the

1422
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,960
comparables, right? Other special

1423
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,839
districts, other Costa Misa Costa Mesa

1424
00:55:15,839 --> 00:55:18,559
officials get health benefits. But I ask

1425
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:22,480
to to her and to staff, what is the the

1426
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,839
per capita ratio for those other

1427
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:28,960
officials? meaning our fairly small

1428
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,680
district is it similar to Irvine

1429
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,520
Ranchwater district right something like

1430
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:38,800
that um what is the uh

1431
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,599
person being served ratio you know that

1432
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:44,480
that's that's important right uh again a

1433
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,480
big city like San or something like that

1434
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,599
you could you could see a bigger draw of

1435
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:51,760
resources revenues what have you let me

1436
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,000
just give this um the president gave a

1437
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,839
very asked a very good question what is

1438
00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:57,040
an employee

1439
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,440
And I'm not an AI person, but AI I think

1440
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,079
of AI gave a pretty good response here.

1441
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:04,319
Uh blah blah blah. They hold have a

1442
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:07,359
unique status occupying. Okay. While

1443
00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:08,880
they receive salaries and benefits, they

1444
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,599
are often excluded from labor laws. This

1445
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:14,880
this is elected officials

1446
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,119
do not have unemployment contracts and

1447
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:18,880
cannot be fired in the traditional

1448
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,559
sense.

1449
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:24,000
So you're unique. your public officers

1450
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,190
and but at the same time what director

1451
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,200
» Thank you. I was writing this up before

1452
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,920
she said it. The bottom line is if you

1453
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,359
compensate people better and enable the

1454
00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:40,720
lower income folk to consider that

1455
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:42,960
position that's going to attract in my

1456
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,839
view more possible talent and and lower

1457
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:47,520
income. This is a small district. This

1458
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,079
is not a big national congress or

1459
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:51,119
something like that. But the bottom

1460
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:54,000
line, who has was just ranked last week,

1461
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,079
right? Some of the best places to work

1462
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:58,160
In-N-Out Burger. What do they do? They

1463
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,359
traditionally play pay 20% more to their

1464
00:57:01,359 --> 00:57:03,200
starting employees and they work their

1465
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,240
asses off,

1466
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:05,750
>> but they get a little bit more dough to

1467
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:05,760
» but they get a little bit more dough to

1468
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,160
attract a little bit better talent. So I

1469
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,559
I'm torn, but but the bottom line is if

1470
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:12,720
you compensate the board, this board and

1471
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:14,319
future boards better, it's going to

1472
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:17,680
enable I think director Wright said some

1473
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,799
lower income folk to possibly consider

1474
00:57:20,799 --> 00:57:22,480
serving and they're not going to get

1475
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,040
rich, at least on at this district,

1476
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,440
right? We know that. So I think that's

1477
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,720
my my speak for now. Thank you,

1478
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,109
>> Cindy. This shows that you wanted to

1479
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:33,119
» Cindy. This shows that you wanted to

1480
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:35,520
speak on H1 and H2, but you're more than

1481
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:50,470
welcome to speak on this item.

1482
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,200
» Good evening, director. Um, I'll make it

1483
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,720
brief. I am speaking tonight as a 54

1484
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,520
year resident and rate payer in the city

1485
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,839
of Costa Mesa. U my husband and I have

1486
00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:03,599
had property ever since we've been

1487
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:06,400
together. So that's 1972 and his family

1488
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,240
moved here in ' 63 and they had

1489
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,240
property. So we've been rateayers and

1490
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:11,839
property owners in this city for a long

1491
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:13,920
time and I appreciate everything that

1492
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,319
you and the staff do. You do a

1493
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:18,880
phenomenal job and I would just I would

1494
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,520
like I'm not in favor of this at all. I

1495
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:22,880
don't think you guys need to get this

1496
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,640
compensation going right now. This is

1497
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,799
not the time to do it. Everything is

1498
00:58:26,799 --> 00:58:30,000
going up astronomically. I agree with

1499
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,160
everything that Sue Lester said. I agree

1500
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,640
with everything that Rosemary said. Um,

1501
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:39,280
and I think that this is a very unique

1502
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,920
district and

1503
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,680
I don't know that we need to make it any

1504
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,000
more attractive. We have three sitting

1505
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,920
board members right now that have been

1506
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,240
on this board for a long time and were

1507
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,240
working when they first started on the

1508
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,119
board and still serving on the board and

1509
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:58,640
doing a phenomenal job as was um Arlene

1510
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,640
Schaefer when before she retired. She

1511
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:04,000
was working several jobs. So I I don't

1512
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,480
understand why we need to all of a

1513
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,160
sudden make it more attractive. I think

1514
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,640
it's a very attractive position myself

1515
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,359
and I think that you are very fairly

1516
00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:17,520
compensated already. Um I think that uh

1517
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,520
this just isn't something that we need

1518
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,480
right now. And uh it was mentioned that

1519
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,760
the whole compensation and the the

1520
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,799
um meeting money was be becoming

1521
00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:31,839
adversarial and it's because what's

1522
00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:35,119
being asked for is unreasonable and I'm

1523
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:39,430
totally against it.

1524
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,000
Okay. Um,

1525
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,559
then I'll conclude public comments. I

1526
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,319
think it's pretty clear we want you to

1527
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:50,150
take that next step.

1528
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:51,760
» So, continue to look into each of the

1529
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:52,319
items.

1530
00:59:52,319 --> 00:59:54,710
>> Well, the items that that we've brought

1531
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:54,720
» Well, the items that that we've brought

1532
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:59,280
up. Yeah. And you said with with

1533
00:59:59,280 --> 00:59:59,680
our

1534
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,510
>> Can we go specific by item?

1535
01:00:01,510 --> 01:00:01,520
» Can we go specific by item?

1536
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:01,910
>> Yeah.

1537
01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:01,920
» Yeah.

1538
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,109
>> I want to make sure we're all on the

1539
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:03,119
» I want to make sure we're all on the

1540
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:04,480
same page.

1541
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,240
So cafeteria plan, I would say it the

1542
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:12,079
assignment would be is it easier,

1543
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:14,000
better, more compliant for us to be a

1544
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,760
separate

1545
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,760
cohort of our own board plan or is there

1546
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,240
a world where we do

1547
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,480
where we are defined as an employee?

1548
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:25,520
That seem to be the two

1549
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:26,870
>> talked about through Cal.

1550
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:26,880
» talked about through Cal.

1551
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,190
>> Yeah. So that's the section 125

1552
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:29,200
» Yeah. So that's the section 125

1553
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,680
cafeteria plan. Then it doesn't seem

1554
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,520
like there's anything applicable with

1555
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,440
Kalper's rate and federal factors. It's

1556
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,640
just she's informing us premium timing

1557
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,960
and shortfalls. I think we would need to

1558
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:45,920
receive a final draft policy on how you

1559
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,520
guys would suggest the timing of

1560
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,400
payments with our stipens and the

1561
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,200
premiums would be maybe pending legal

1562
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,240
review as well. And then uh a question

1563
01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:00,400
of shortfall or surplus. We had talked

1564
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,240
about that in the past as well. Can it

1565
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,640
get pulled from our pay?

1566
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,640
Um, and we should probably put a

1567
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,040
protection in there too that says a pay

1568
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,280
up to x amount of months to make sure

1569
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,240
that there's never a deficit on the

1570
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:18,880
district side. Um,

1571
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,040
thoughts on Kalpers and HSA's HAS. I was

1572
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,599
leaning towards can you look into the HR

1573
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:27,599
since that seemed to be more simple. So,

1574
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:30,559
let's we'll send you in the HR direction

1575
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:34,960
and then I'm open to receiving a policy

1576
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,200
just related to Kalper's benefits and

1577
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,839
then just a policy related to HR. And

1578
01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:41,520
maybe they're separate or they're in

1579
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,520
tandem, but I don't know if I want to

1580
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:45,520
bundle the two together and make it more

1581
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:46,240
complicated.

1582
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,670
>> I would rather see.

1583
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:47,680
» I would rather see.

1584
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,309
>> Cool. Okay. So, there's another answer.

1585
01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:50,319
» Cool. Okay. So, there's another answer.

1586
01:01:50,319 --> 01:01:54,079
And then 680 to 850. Do you guys want to

1587
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:57,599
pick the middle or do you want to go?

1588
01:01:57,599 --> 01:01:59,280
What do you guys think?

1589
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:00,870
>> Whatever number we give you can be

1590
01:02:00,870 --> 01:02:00,880
» Whatever number we give you can be

1591
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,440
adjusted if we make a decision anyway.

1592
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,829
So, use the 680.

1593
01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:11,040
» Okay. So, so finance will calculate just

1594
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,040
at the 680.

1595
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:14,319
Is that what

1596
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:16,870
>> I mean? It's there's nothing says we

1597
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:16,880
» I mean? It's there's nothing says we

1598
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,319
can't adjust or look at

1599
01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:19,589
>> Well, it's it's better if you tell us

1600
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:19,599
» Well, it's it's better if you tell us

1601
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:20,720
now because you adjust and then we can

1602
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,319
go back and do some more work. So, if

1603
01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:23,839
you could tell us what number it is, we

1604
01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:25,440
can come back to you and that's the

1605
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:26,480
number we would stick to.

1606
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,710
>> Cuz if we if we go with 680 and then you

1607
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:28,720
» Cuz if we if we go with 680 and then you

1608
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,720
raise it, then that information we're

1609
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,480
giving you is incorrect.

1610
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:33,910
>> Can I be honest? I kind of like going

1611
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:33,920
» Can I be honest? I kind of like going

1612
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,280
with the highest because then we know

1613
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,839
that's the greatest financial impact

1614
01:02:37,839 --> 01:02:38,559
possible.

1615
01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:39,910
>> Good. Excellent point.

1616
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:39,920
» Good. Excellent point.

1617
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,150
>> Okay. Okay. Thank you.

1618
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:42,160
» Okay. Okay. Thank you.

1619
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,710
>> 850 and there will not be any higher.

1620
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:44,720
» 850 and there will not be any higher.

1621
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:49,040
There might be less. And then

1622
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,720
we are good about then you've already

1623
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,119
done budget considerations

1624
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:55,839
and

1625
01:02:55,839 --> 01:02:57,280
I'm trying to think if there's anything

1626
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,839
else in the policy

1627
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:01,599
that we would want to make sure we have.

1628
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:04,160
I think that I think that dots all our

1629
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:05,760
eyes for the policy.

1630
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,470
>> One more eye I want dotted. If you're

1631
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:08,480
» One more eye I want dotted. If you're

1632
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,559
going to be talking to Kalpers and

1633
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:13,599
talking to the legal folks, regardless

1634
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:17,920
of what has been said already, I want to

1635
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,119
see a full definition of employee versus

1636
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:22,319
note employee.

1637
01:03:22,319 --> 01:03:23,990
>> And are you wanting the Kalpers

1638
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:24,000
» And are you wanting the Kalpers

1639
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,119
definition or the because Kalpers?

1640
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:29,270
>> We're we're streaming towards Kalpers

1641
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:29,280
» We're we're streaming towards Kalpers

1642
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:30,000
anyway.

1643
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:30,390
>> Okay.

1644
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:30,400
» Okay.

1645
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,510
>> So, get the Kalpers. I I

1646
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:33,520
» So, get the Kalpers. I I

1647
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:36,789
>> it's one thing to to hear comment about

1648
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:36,799
» it's one thing to to hear comment about

1649
01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:38,799
it. I want to see what the governing

1650
01:03:38,799 --> 01:03:42,160
body has to say about.

1651
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:43,670
>> So, can I make this like a summary

1652
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:43,680
» So, can I make this like a summary

1653
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,000
motion? Do we need to do that?

1654
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,309
>> We don't really need we've given her

1655
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:48,319
» We don't really need we've given her

1656
01:03:48,319 --> 01:03:48,880
direction.

1657
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:49,430
>> Great.

1658
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:49,440
» Great.

1659
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,309
>> That's really all we need to do.

1660
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:52,319
» That's really all we need to do.

1661
01:03:52,319 --> 01:03:54,150
>> Mr. President, are we uh tableabling the

1662
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:54,160
» Mr. President, are we uh tableabling the

1663
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,480
item or continuing it to a day?

1664
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,789
>> Well, continuing it to as soon as you

1665
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:58,799
» Well, continuing it to as soon as you

1666
01:03:58,799 --> 01:04:00,000
can.

1667
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,829
>> We're not tableabling.

1668
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:03,839
» We're not tableabling.

1669
01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:05,190
>> Tabling it for tonight. We're

1670
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:05,200
» Tabling it for tonight. We're

1671
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,880
tableabling it for tonight, but not for

1672
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,160
the future.

1673
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:09,589
>> As soon as you'll come back when they

1674
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:09,599
» As soon as you'll come back when they

1675
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:10,559
have the information.

1676
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:12,950
>> Yeah. And and that can be at a study

1677
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:12,960
» Yeah. And and that can be at a study

1678
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,160
session or at a regular board meeting.

1679
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:17,829
>> I think it's clear we'd need all that

1680
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:17,839
» I think it's clear we'd need all that

1681
01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:21,839
information to prove it. Anyways, so

1682
01:04:21,839 --> 01:04:22,799
thank you.

1683
01:04:22,799 --> 01:04:25,750
>> Okay. Um

1684
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:25,760
» Okay. Um

1685
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,359
we'll move now, Scott, to item two.

1686
01:04:29,359 --> 01:04:31,589
>> Thank you, Mr. President. Uh this is

1687
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:31,599
» Thank you, Mr. President. Uh this is

1688
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:35,520
your midyear report on the fiscal year

1689
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,799
202530 strategic plan. Uh in your staff

1690
01:04:38,799 --> 01:04:41,280
report are the highlights that staff has

1691
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:42,880
achieved in the first six months of this

1692
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,359
plan. Uh I can go in more details on

1693
01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:46,819
that if you want me to. But I

1694
01:04:46,819 --> 01:04:48,160
[clears throat] also want to mention

1695
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,480
that moving forward uh we are going to

1696
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,000
be presenting this report to the board

1697
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,000
twice a year for instead of four times a

1698
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,760
year. We were presenting on a quarterly

1699
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,160
basis uh but now staff is recommending

1700
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,160
presenting it there midyear and an

1701
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,480
annually uh to allow for more meaningful

1702
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,640
and comprehensive updates on progress

1703
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,640
and outcome and also it does free up

1704
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,480
some of staff time uh rather than doing

1705
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,400
it quarterly versus midyear and

1706
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,559
annually. So happy to answer questions

1707
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:14,720
you may have.

1708
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,200
the one that brought this up and I

1709
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:21,200
appreciate the u you know this the staff

1710
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:25,119
in this in this type of report but my

1711
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:28,000
request was in the strategic plan

1712
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,559
there's 2025 recommendations there's

1713
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:32,079
2026

1714
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:35,440
and so on for five years and that's all

1715
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,359
I really wanted to staff to report on

1716
01:05:39,359 --> 01:05:43,440
there's there's I think four maybe six

1717
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,839
2020 25

1718
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:49,440
uh strategic plan goals.

1719
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,000
Um and so that that's all I really

1720
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:57,200
wanted in this report uh was

1721
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:02,559
how staff is progressing if or not with

1722
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:04,640
the the timelines that are set in the

1723
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:08,160
strategic plan. So, I I appreciate the

1724
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:12,000
huge amount of effort in in the report,

1725
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,079
but that that is not what I was looking

1726
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:16,000
for

1727
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,720
and and I'm I'm open to whether it's

1728
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,880
done annually, quarterly, or whatnot.

1729
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,760
But I think with with with if it's down

1730
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,319
to four items or six items, he just

1731
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:32,240
either said, you know, we met the 2025

1732
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,599
goal or we didn't, you know, and and

1733
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:38,880
just a few sentences about we met it or

1734
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,359
we didn't meet it or that that's all I

1735
01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:44,000
really wanted.

1736
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,839
Well, thank you for the work you put

1737
01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:49,280
into it. It was it was illuminating, but

1738
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:54,079
I agree it was a lot of work. Other

1739
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:55,680
comments?

1740
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,640
Nicole, anything to comment on this? I'm

1741
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,880
seeing a headshake. No. So, okay. All

1742
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,640
right. Then we'll move to item three,

1743
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,319
uh, performance goals.

1744
01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:08,630
>> Yes. Thank you, Mr. President. So, I

1745
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:08,640
» Yes. Thank you, Mr. President. So, I

1746
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,400
don't know of any other general managers

1747
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,400
or city managers that present their

1748
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,240
performance goals in an open setting

1749
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,319
like this. Uh, but I've been doing this

1750
01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:18,160
since I've been here. Uh, just to

1751
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:19,680
advocate my uh, beliefs and

1752
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,680
transparency. Uh the one I do want to

1753
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:22,799
mention though unfortunately in the

1754
01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:25,839
staff report um I did we did attach my

1755
01:07:25,839 --> 01:07:28,640
2025 goals but in the staff report it

1756
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,960
didn't identify the progress made and I

1757
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,319
apologize for that and that's why I

1758
01:07:32,319 --> 01:07:34,079
printed up copies for you and I also

1759
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:36,640
made copies of this um for the public to

1760
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,119
to read and I'm happy to go down each

1761
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:40,880
one of these goals that I achieved for

1762
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,359
you. Um, we will update this in in the

1763
01:07:43,359 --> 01:07:46,400
staff report. And then also in the staff

1764
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,359
report is the um 2026 performance goals

1765
01:07:49,359 --> 01:07:50,799
uh for next year that I'm proposing. I

1766
01:07:50,799 --> 01:07:52,400
did meet with President Schaefer on

1767
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,880
these goals and and he uh uh liked them.

1768
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:56,799
He approved them or at least considered

1769
01:07:56,799 --> 01:07:57,920
moving forward and bringing it to the

1770
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,240
boards for consideration. Um as per

1771
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,440
board directions, all the goals are um

1772
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,240
identified uh with a strategic plan and

1773
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,319
it also has a deadline uh for me to to

1774
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:11,359
to uh try to achieve. So, um, happy to

1775
01:08:11,359 --> 01:08:13,839
answer any questions you may have. Yes.

1776
01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:15,270
>> Questions for the general manager? Go

1777
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:15,280
» Questions for the general manager? Go

1778
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:15,760
ahead.

1779
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,590
>> Yeah. No. Um, in this month's, uh,

1780
01:08:19,590 --> 01:08:19,600
» Yeah. No. Um, in this month's, uh,

1781
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,400
Orange County Sand District

1782
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:23,920
meeting, which will occur this

1783
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,000
Wednesday,

1784
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,520
um, there is there is an example of what

1785
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,600
the general manager's

1786
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:36,480
20 256 work plan and midyear report is,

1787
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:41,520
just FYI. and their their strategic plan

1788
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,319
is like six items

1789
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:47,600
and those are the six items that become

1790
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,480
the general manager's work plan.

1791
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:55,590
We have a 56 item

1792
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,430
elements and

1793
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:02,319
major difference. But

1794
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:04,640
so you can you can review what what Rob

1795
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,040
Thompson's

1796
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,560
work plan looks like and then and since

1797
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,199
I'm a representative

1798
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:14,880
appointed to the Orange County Sand

1799
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,120
District.

1800
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,590
>> We'll do. Thank you.

1801
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:19,600
» We'll do. Thank you.

1802
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,480
Nice pictures, by the way. Thank you for

1803
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:26,159
I'm sure you're the only general manager

1804
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:28,560
in the county that goes out and cleans

1805
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,400
up the bay in Fairview Park. So, thank

1806
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:34,000
you for doing that. Um, okay. The

1807
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,669
>> Can I ask questions about the process?

1808
01:09:35,669 --> 01:09:35,679
» Can I ask questions about the process?

1809
01:09:35,679 --> 01:09:40,080
So, I've received this. Do I fill it out

1810
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,080
now and submit it to you?

1811
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:42,789
>> Just going to get

1812
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:42,799
» Just going to get

1813
01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:44,309
>> Oh, okay. Thank you.

1814
01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:44,319
» Oh, okay. Thank you.

1815
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:47,759
Um, at this point we need to uh have the

1816
01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:50,560
board authorize myself to meet with

1817
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,520
Scott to go over this checklist. Before

1818
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,600
I meet with Scott, I'd appreciate all of

1819
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,400
you completing this and getting it back.

1820
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:03,040
Okay. Uh, Scott, we can talk later after

1821
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:05,520
Wednesday. Uh, talk about setting up a

1822
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,280
time for you and I to sit down and go

1823
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:08,480
over the goals.

1824
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:10,870
>> When do you need these back? Uh if I

1825
01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:10,880
» When do you need these back? Uh if I

1826
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,679
could have them no later than the middle

1827
01:10:13,679 --> 01:10:14,719
of next week.

1828
01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:17,910
>> You're talking about the gentleman

1829
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:17,920
» You're talking about the gentleman

1830
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,149
>> evaluation. This the valuation

1831
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:20,159
» evaluation. This the valuation

1832
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:22,070
>> this item that I Yeah, I gave it to you

1833
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:22,080
» this item that I Yeah, I gave it to you

1834
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:23,120
earlier this evening.

1835
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,110
>> Mr. Mr. President,

1836
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:25,120
» Mr. Mr. President,

1837
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,350
>> sorry. Sorry, but um you know if they

1838
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:27,360
» sorry. Sorry, but um you know if they

1839
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:28,800
were to give you the all of their

1840
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,480
information and you were to have it and

1841
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:32,159
then meet with Scott,

1842
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:33,270
>> that would be a problem with the Brown

1843
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:33,280
» that would be a problem with the Brown

1844
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,760
Act. I think we have to have a

1845
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,830
>> close session for that. Yeah, we have to

1846
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:37,840
» close session for that. Yeah, we have to

1847
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,920
close session when we Okay.

1848
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:40,950
>> on the application.

1849
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:40,960
» on the application.

1850
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:42,390
>> No, I'm just trying to get this filled

1851
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:42,400
» No, I'm just trying to get this filled

1852
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,320
out so that I can take it with me to

1853
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:45,040
Scott.

1854
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,550
>> Yeah, I I haven't seen what you have in

1855
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:46,560
» Yeah, I I haven't seen what you have in

1856
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:47,840
front of you, but I thought you were

1857
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,000
asking for their recommendations on

1858
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:51,040
thoughts. Okay.

1859
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:52,470
>> No, no, no.

1860
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:52,480
» No, no, no.

1861
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:53,990
>> I misunderstood that, too. I was like,

1862
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:54,000
» I misunderstood that, too. I was like,

1863
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,239
"All right, I'll give it to you."

1864
01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:56,800
[laughter and gasps]

1865
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:57,669
>> That okay.

1866
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:57,679
» That okay.

1867
01:10:57,679 --> 01:11:00,950
>> Let me see what a copy looks like.

1868
01:11:00,950 --> 01:11:00,960
» Let me see what a copy looks like.

1869
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:01,750
>> You want mine?

1870
01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:01,760
» You want mine?

1871
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,590
>> You can do it right after the meeting.

1872
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:03,600
» You can do it right after the meeting.

1873
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:03,990
>> Okay.

1874
01:11:03,990 --> 01:11:04,000
» Okay.

1875
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:05,430
>> Okay. I'll show

1876
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:05,440
» Okay. I'll show

1877
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:06,870
>> I'm not sure.

1878
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:06,880
» I'm not sure.

1879
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,870
>> Yeah, that's

1880
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:08,880
» Yeah, that's

1881
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,630
>> okay. Um, we are ready to move then. Oh,

1882
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:12,640
» okay. Um, we are ready to move then. Oh,

1883
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,440
I'm sorry. So, I need a This is an

1884
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:17,520
action item to authorize me to meet with

1885
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:18,159
you.

1886
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:19,990
>> I'll move the action.

1887
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:20,000
» I'll move the action.

1888
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:20,790
>> Second.

1889
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:20,800
» Second.

1890
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,350
>> Motion is second. Call. Any questions on

1891
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:23,360
» Motion is second. Call. Any questions on

1892
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:23,760
that?

1893
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,350
>> No.

1894
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:25,360
» No.

1895
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:26,950
>> Are you planning Is it next week you're

1896
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:26,960
» Are you planning Is it next week you're

1897
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:27,840
planning a meeting?

1898
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,070
>> No. I want these back from all of you by

1899
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:30,080
» No. I want these back from all of you by

1900
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:31,600
next Wednesday.

1901
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,270
>> And then Scott and I will set up a time

1902
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:33,280
» And then Scott and I will set up a time

1903
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:36,080
to meet before the next board meeting.

1904
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,709
>> Very good.

1905
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:38,719
» Very good.

1906
01:11:38,719 --> 01:11:40,709
>> All right. Roll call, please.

1907
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:40,719
» All right. Roll call, please.

1908
01:11:40,719 --> 01:11:41,830
>> Director Wright,

1909
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:41,840
» Director Wright,

1910
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:42,310
>> yes.

1911
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:42,320
» yes.

1912
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:43,510
>> Director Walshshire,

1913
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:43,520
» Director Walshshire,

1914
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:44,310
>> yes.

1915
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:44,320
» yes.

1916
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:45,270
>> Secretary Perry,

1917
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:45,280
» Secretary Perry,

1918
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:45,590
>> yes.

1919
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:45,600
» yes.

1920
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:46,950
>> Vice President Utton,

1921
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:46,960
» Vice President Utton,

1922
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:47,270
>> yes.

1923
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:47,280
» yes.

1924
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:48,310
>> President Schaefer,

1925
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:48,320
» President Schaefer,

1926
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:48,870
>> yes.

1927
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:48,880
» yes.

1928
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:50,070
>> Motion carries 5.

1929
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:50,080
» Motion carries 5.

1930
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,550
>> Okay. Um, before we move to the

1931
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:52,560
» Okay. Um, before we move to the

1932
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,320
engineers report, I'm going to call for

1933
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:58,159
a eight minute break.

1934
01:11:58,159 --> 01:11:59,920
Please,

1935
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:06,950
we'll meet back here at 10 minutes to 6.

1936
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,800
» Thank you, Mr. President. Um, just a

1937
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,679
couple of items. Number one, we opened

1938
01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:17,440
bids this past period uh for project 349

1939
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:20,800
Mendoza pump station. Um, as you recall,

1940
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,840
we extended the gravity sewer to the

1941
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,520
Mendoza alleyway. Uh now this is the

1942
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,199
main part of the project where we will

1943
01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:31,920
extend the sewer onto that uh into the

1944
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,960
the pump station property I'll say and

1945
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,960
then we're going to work on redundant

1946
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,280
force manes and connect an overflow from

1947
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,199
our wet well. That project will be

1948
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:42,960
coming for your approval to award a

1949
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,360
contract next month. Second item I want

1950
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,840
to discuss is uh there's a couple of

1951
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,760
items that I'll be bringing to you this

1952
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,080
upcoming study session. One item will be

1953
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,640
to discuss the top five or six CIP

1954
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,560
projects, why they're important, what

1955
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:58,800
why why I think they're the most

1956
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,360
important five or six projects and I

1957
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,679
would like uh to throughout the year

1958
01:13:03,679 --> 01:13:05,840
bring another five or six and then

1959
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,280
throughout the year we'll we'll get

1960
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:08,800
through the entire list of what we're

1961
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,199
doing from a CIP perspective. Second

1962
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:13,440
item is I I would like to discuss with

1963
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:15,120
the board during the next study review

1964
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,440
session our public portal, some of the

1965
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:19,920
limitations we have with our current uh

1966
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,800
public portal, staff's needs and and and

1967
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,760
potentially options for proceeding. So

1968
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,199
that's something that we'll be I'll be

1969
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:29,280
bringing to you during the February

1970
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,080
study session. With that being said, I

1971
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,000
suspect you read my report, so I'm not

1972
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:35,679
going to go over too much in there, but

1973
01:13:35,679 --> 01:13:38,400
if you have any questions or need

1974
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,239
additional information, I'm h happy to

1975
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:41,440
answer your questions.

1976
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:44,709
>> Thank you. Any questions for the Nicole?

1977
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:44,719
» Thank you. Any questions for the Nicole?

1978
01:13:44,719 --> 01:13:46,960
Any questions?

1979
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:48,880
Seeing none. Okay.

1980
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:49,590
>> Thank you.

1981
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:49,600
» Thank you.

1982
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:53,189
>> Thank you. Um Mark's not Mark Davis is

1983
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:53,199
» Thank you. Um Mark's not Mark Davis is

1984
01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:54,719
not with us this evening, so I assume

1985
01:13:54,719 --> 01:13:57,280
there's no treasures reporting.

1986
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,840
So, we'll go to attorney's reports.

1987
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:01,920
Council.

1988
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,229
>> Thank you, Mr. President. Um first item

1989
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:04,239
» Thank you, Mr. President. Um first item

1990
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:11,280
is the uh ADU AR and uh AD ADUs are a

1991
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,480
creation of the state legislature and

1992
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:17,120
they have uh favored them and tried to

1993
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,159
help fix our housing problem by giving

1994
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:22,239
him them very preferred status under the

1995
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:25,679
law most of the time uh to the detriment

1996
01:14:25,679 --> 01:14:29,040
of local agency's ability to regulate

1997
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,760
and in many cases they preempted us just

1998
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,520
for the benefit of to the public. Uh, an

1999
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,920
ADU is an accessory dwelling unit. They

2000
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:37,679
can be attached or detached. They

2001
01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:40,800
provide complete living facilities. Uh,

2002
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,480
they must include permanent living,

2003
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:45,440
sleeping, eating, cooking, sanitation on

2004
01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:48,239
the same parcel as the main residence. A

2005
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:51,040
junior ADU is located entirely within a

2006
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,040
single family resident.

2007
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,040
A lot of the ADUs are approved

2008
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,040
ministerally, meaning the city doesn't

2009
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,880
have much discretion to deny and uh we

2010
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,199
both have to figure out how to uh how to

2011
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:04,719
deal with these new creatures that are

2012
01:15:04,719 --> 01:15:07,600
being built within our city.

2013
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:08,229
>> Uh

2014
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:08,239
» Uh

2015
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:11,910
>> could you again what a junior AD is? Uh,

2016
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:11,920
» could you again what a junior AD is? Uh,

2017
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,320
a junior ADU is located entirely within

2018
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,239
a single family residence and it may

2019
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:19,120
include shared sanitation facilities or

2020
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:23,920
separate and they're usually smaller

2021
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,510
>> 600 square feet.

2022
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:25,520
» 600 square feet.

2023
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:26,070
>> I'm sorry.

2024
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:26,080
» I'm sorry.

2025
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:27,990
>> Is it under 600 square feet or

2026
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:28,000
» Is it under 600 square feet or

2027
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,149
>> Yes. Yeah.

2028
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:30,159
» Yes. Yeah.

2029
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:33,840
Uh another um

2030
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,640
so the many limits on uh what we can do

2031
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:40,000
with ADUs and one of them is you know we

2032
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:42,400
have a capacity fee. Our biggest concern

2033
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:46,560
is capacity and our u

2034
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,040
earthwhile uh district engineer has

2035
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:50,719
reviewed this and we've determined we

2036
01:15:50,719 --> 01:15:53,760
have the capacity for these although uh

2037
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:55,360
you know we're everyone's everyone's

2038
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,080
projecting how much how many ADUs will

2039
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,320
be built but we think we have enough. Uh

2040
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:01,840
the other issue is whether or not they

2041
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,480
can pay for what others have paid for,

2042
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:07,600
namely the uh the lions and uh what it

2043
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:11,360
takes to maintain the sewer system. And

2044
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,159
we generally cannot uh charge capacity

2045
01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:17,600
fees. We can if they're over 750 square

2046
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,120
ft and it's being built with another new

2047
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,600
single family dwelling. Uh but we have

2048
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,600
to be proportionate like we have to do

2049
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,400
with all our fees we charge. So we have

2050
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,080
limited ability to charge sewer

2051
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:33,520
capacity. We do have um we cannot also

2052
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,320
require se separate laterals except in

2053
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,800
uh very

2054
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,560
limited circumstances namely new

2055
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,800
construction of both the single family

2056
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,320
and the ADU. Uh so we they do have the

2057
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,239
ability to be on the same line which is

2058
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:50,239
something we generally would prefer.

2059
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:54,400
They are not uh we can require uh sewer

2060
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,400
treatment transportation fees you know

2061
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,080
namely

2062
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,320
pay your cost for flushing your toilet

2063
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,719
and what that service is. So we can

2064
01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:04,719
charge for that. We can also charge for

2065
01:17:04,719 --> 01:17:08,239
the trash too. So this uh is an outline

2066
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:10,320
of our ability to regulate its meant

2067
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:11,679
it's kind of a living document because

2068
01:17:11,679 --> 01:17:14,239
the laws are changing fast. gives staff

2069
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:17,840
a reference to uh refer to uh when they

2070
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,679
need to figure out what they're dealing

2071
01:17:19,679 --> 01:17:24,400
with and it's been through the CAC and u

2072
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:29,350
it's submitted for your consideration.

2073
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,440
» I have another question. Um are you

2074
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:34,320
saying that the ADU if it's over 700 ft

2075
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:35,920
has to be attached separately to the

2076
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,679
sewer line?

2077
01:17:37,679 --> 01:17:39,270
>> It can be if uh

2078
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:39,280
» It can be if uh

2079
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,110
>> can it be attached to the existing sewer

2080
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:41,120
» can it be attached to the existing sewer

2081
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:41,760
line?

2082
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,350
>> I'm sorry. Can it be attached to the

2083
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:43,360
» I'm sorry. Can it be attached to the

2084
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:44,960
existing shoreline or does it have

2085
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,990
>> no over 750? We can if it's new if both

2086
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:48,000
» no over 750? We can if it's new if both

2087
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,239
both structures are new, we can require

2088
01:17:50,239 --> 01:17:51,920
that they have separate laterals.

2089
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,070
>> What if it's a new one going in with an

2090
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:54,080
» What if it's a new one going in with an

2091
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,640
old old one old house?

2092
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,270
>> Yes. Then you cannot require a new new

2093
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:59,280
» Yes. Then you cannot require a new new

2094
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:00,960
lateral. You have to allow them to

2095
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,120
connect to the existing letter.

2096
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,110
>> Okay. Good. Go ahead, Mark.

2097
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:05,120
» Okay. Good. Go ahead, Mark.

2098
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,229
>> Yeah. What um director Perry in your

2099
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:08,239
» Yeah. What um director Perry in your

2100
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:12,159
question are you asking the the size and

2101
01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:14,880
then can that size be connected to the

2102
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,800
existing out or not? Is that what what

2103
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,400
I'm understanding? So I guess like our

2104
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,440
legal council mentioned you can tie in

2105
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:26,560
that system to the existing it it also

2106
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,640
depends I'm going to say on how big it

2107
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,480
is what the use is and some other

2108
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:35,360
things. Is there a size of the ADU that

2109
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,239
qualifies that to where it can be go?

2110
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:40,310
>> Uh, right now we're using the definition

2111
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:40,320
» Uh, right now we're using the definition

2112
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,800
the legal council is providing us. Uh,

2113
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,320
and that's is it Alan? Is it 700 or 750?

2114
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:47,189
>> 750.

2115
01:18:47,189 --> 01:18:47,199
» 750.

2116
01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:50,470
>> 7 750. So 750 and above we can do

2117
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:50,480
» 7 750. So 750 and above we can do

2118
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:53,040
something with under under that number.

2119
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:54,719
Um, we're we're even looking at

2120
01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:58,239
streamlining because city of Costa Mesa

2121
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:00,640
is looking to do some type of a rubber

2122
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,960
stamping. uh within a two-eek period to

2123
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,280
allow building plans to move forward. If

2124
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,360
that occurs, they're moving on without

2125
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,159
us. And so and so we're I'm working with

2126
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:12,080
Robert and I'll be presenting something

2127
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,239
to our general manager. Is there a way

2128
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:16,320
we can streamline our processes for

2129
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,800
those ADUs that are exempt as as legal

2130
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,760
counsel um suggests they are from many

2131
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,159
things. So that way we can maybe keep up

2132
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:25,440
with the city and get these things

2133
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:27,120
moving forward.

2134
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,590
>> Is that happening in other cities also

2135
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:29,600
» Is that happening in other cities also

2136
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,640
or do you know? Uh I this is I guess I'm

2137
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,159
going to be honest. I don't know. It's

2138
01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:36,719
too new. I haven't heard much from our

2139
01:19:36,719 --> 01:19:39,920
sister and brother agencies uh and other

2140
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:41,760
other public agencies that are

2141
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,159
associated with OCN as an example. I

2142
01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:46,239
just don't know

2143
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:50,709
>> if if someone is doing an ADU and they

2144
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:50,719
» if if someone is doing an ADU and they

2145
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:54,480
choose to tie into the existing system

2146
01:19:54,480 --> 01:19:57,120
from the regular home from the existing

2147
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,800
home. Are there any fees that they get

2148
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,600
charged to tie into like any connection

2149
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,400
fees or anything for tying in?

2150
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,350
>> You know, again, it depends. If it's 750

2151
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:09,360
» You know, again, it depends. If it's 750

2152
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,080
or over, we can then start we can charge

2153
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,800
capacity fees and other types of fees.

2154
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,040
Um, when they're smaller than that, I'm

2155
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,360
going to say we have some limitations on

2156
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,120
what we can charge. For example, we

2157
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,199
cannot charge capacity as as legal

2158
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:24,480
counsel mentioned,

2159
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:27,110
>> but if they decide,

2160
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:27,120
» but if they decide,

2161
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,040
no matter what size, they decide to put

2162
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:33,199
their own lateral in and connect into

2163
01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:37,040
OC Sand system, they would have fees,

2164
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:37,840
right?

2165
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,630
>> Well, no. Uh, first of all, most most of

2166
01:20:40,630 --> 01:20:40,640
» Well, no. Uh, first of all, most most of

2167
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:42,960
the single family residential and

2168
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:44,480
commercial properties that we have in

2169
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:46,960
our service area, they don't have direct

2170
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,520
access to OC. They have access to our

2171
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,760
system. So, we're the governance of

2172
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:55,120
those of those um properties within our

2173
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,360
boundaries. We govern what they connect

2174
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,360
and what they can't connect to.

2175
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,270
>> The connection out in the street.

2176
01:21:01,270 --> 01:21:01,280
» The connection out in the street.

2177
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:02,310
>> Yeah.

2178
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:02,320
» Yeah.

2179
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:03,750
>> That's controlled by us.

2180
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:03,760
» That's controlled by us.

2181
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,390
>> Yes.

2182
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:06,400
» Yes.

2183
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:07,910
>> Thank you. Go ahead.

2184
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:07,920
» Thank you. Go ahead.

2185
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:12,790
>> The the junior ADUs are basically just

2186
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:12,800
» The the junior ADUs are basically just

2187
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:16,960
an additional room on a res a residence.

2188
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,760
Um when when when we have a new

2189
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,120
residence in the district,

2190
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,840
we charge them based on the number of

2191
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:30,719
fix fixture fees uh or is it just

2192
01:21:30,719 --> 01:21:33,280
charged on the basis of them being a a

2193
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:34,320
residence?

2194
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,830
>> Well, again, if it's under 750 square

2195
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:37,840
» Well, again, if it's under 750 square

2196
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,920
feet, whether it

2197
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:41,750
>> a new house is built

2198
01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:41,760
» a new house is built

2199
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,709
>> Oh, yeah. When a when a whole new house

2200
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:44,719
» Oh, yeah. When a when a whole new house

2201
01:21:44,719 --> 01:21:47,679
is built and an ADU, we can then

2202
01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:50,880
proportion and and and base the charges

2203
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,000
for the ADU and the new residents based

2204
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,159
on fixtures. We can do that.

2205
01:21:56,159 --> 01:22:02,470
>> So a 500 foot existing home or 2700

2206
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:02,480
» So a 500 foot existing home or 2700

2207
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:04,880
square foot existing home would be

2208
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,360
charged differently

2209
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:08,149
>> district.

2210
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:08,159
» district.

2211
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:12,390
>> Yes. Because of for several reasons. uh

2212
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:12,400
» Yes. Because of for several reasons. uh

2213
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:14,320
number of bedrooms, which is how Orange

2214
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:17,199
County Sanitation charges us. We we pass

2215
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:19,360
that cost and we we collect that for

2216
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,000
them. And the number of fixture units, a

2217
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,199
500 ft house probably has half the

2218
01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:27,760
fixture units of a,200 foot house as an

2219
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,159
example. Maybe maybe not quite half, but

2220
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:31,679
you know, it's less.

2221
01:22:31,679 --> 01:22:33,590
>> The bigger house would get because they

2222
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:33,600
» The bigger house would get because they

2223
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,480
have more fixture more fixtures, would

2224
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:38,639
we would charge them more on the tax

2225
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:41,199
roles? Yes, we would charge them uh

2226
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:44,159
higher we would charge them more fixture

2227
01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:48,320
fees which is really a capacity thing

2228
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:52,639
and then depending on uh the what we

2229
01:22:52,639 --> 01:22:54,880
have to inspect we could charge more for

2230
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,480
inspection and plan check and those

2231
01:22:56,480 --> 01:22:59,910
things

2232
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:01,199
» questions from Martin

2233
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:03,030
>> uh yeah I just have one comment which is

2234
01:23:03,030 --> 01:23:03,040
» uh yeah I just have one comment which is

2235
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,719
on the can ADUs be sold separately so um

2236
01:23:06,719 --> 01:23:08,960
there's a lot of mixed

2237
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,840
mixed messages I think between city and

2238
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,960
state law and uh just to let you guys

2239
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:16,960
know when we did when we got our ADU

2240
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:18,719
permit we actually forfeited our right

2241
01:23:18,719 --> 01:23:21,920
to sell it separately through the city.

2242
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:23,760
So I think because sometimes there's a

2243
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:25,600
lot of confusion between are we part of

2244
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,199
the city or not, I think we should

2245
01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:30,159
expressly state that it's not our

2246
01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:33,520
jurisdiction to determine and you know

2247
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:35,040
you kind of already have it at the end

2248
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,440
pending various laws with city and

2249
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:40,880
state. Um I think we should just kind of

2250
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,199
evade that responsibility of that

2251
01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:45,920
question if possible.

2252
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,480
Otherwise, it looks good to me and I I'm

2253
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:53,520
a big fan of the expediting process and

2254
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,000
um I'm glad we're trying to keep up with

2255
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,639
the city on that.

2256
01:23:58,639 --> 01:24:01,430
>> Rolling questions.

2257
01:24:01,430 --> 01:24:01,440
» Rolling questions.

2258
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:03,520
Uh we have public comment. Cindy, you

2259
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:09,030
want to speak on this item?

2260
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:13,120
Okay, then let's move to

2261
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:14,880
um

2262
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:18,560
nothing. you. No action you need from us

2263
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,629
>> this regulation number 140.

2264
01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:20,639
» this regulation number 140.

2265
01:24:20,639 --> 01:24:21,830
>> I'll move for approval.

2266
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:21,840
» I'll move for approval.

2267
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:22,709
>> I'm sorry.

2268
01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:22,719
» I'm sorry.

2269
01:24:22,719 --> 01:24:24,870
>> I'll second.

2270
01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:24,880
» I'll second.

2271
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,270
>> Uh we have a motion for I'm sorry for

2272
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:27,280
» Uh we have a motion for I'm sorry for

2273
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:29,840
not bringing that regulation number 140.

2274
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:31,360
Um roll call, please.

2275
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:32,229
>> Director Wright,

2276
01:24:32,229 --> 01:24:32,239
» Director Wright,

2277
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:32,629
>> yes.

2278
01:24:32,629 --> 01:24:32,639
» yes.

2279
01:24:32,639 --> 01:24:33,669
>> Director Walshshire,

2280
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:33,679
» Director Walshshire,

2281
01:24:33,679 --> 01:24:34,550
>> yes.

2282
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:34,560
» yes.

2283
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:35,590
>> Secretary Perry,

2284
01:24:35,590 --> 01:24:35,600
» Secretary Perry,

2285
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:35,990
>> yes.

2286
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:36,000
» yes.

2287
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,350
>> Vice President Uton,

2288
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:37,360
» Vice President Uton,

2289
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:37,669
>> yes.

2290
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:37,679
» yes.

2291
01:24:37,679 --> 01:24:38,550
>> President Schaefer,

2292
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:38,560
» President Schaefer,

2293
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:39,750
>> yes. Thank you. Thank

2294
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:39,760
» yes. Thank you. Thank

2295
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:46,229
>> Thanks, Alan. Um let's move to item two.

2296
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:49,840
Thank you, Mr. President. Do we have a

2297
01:24:49,840 --> 01:25:01,910
PowerPoint?

2298
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,880
As the board knows, um, directors are

2299
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,199
entitled to a paid PDM sum for each

2300
01:25:07,199 --> 01:25:09,920
day's service they rendered rendered as

2301
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:12,320
a director up to six days per month.

2302
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:13,840
That's the authority for that is health

2303
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,840
and safety code section 6490.

2304
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,000
The statute provides that a director is

2305
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,600
entitled to be paid for each meeting of

2306
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:25,679
the board and for each day's service

2307
01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:28,800
rendered as a director at the request of

2308
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,159
the board. It is the second part of the

2309
01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:34,560
statute that we've struggled with. It's

2310
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,199
difficult if not impossible to have a

2311
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:39,040
request of the board in sufficient time

2312
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,520
to have the board act on it at a

2313
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,159
properly noticed board meeting. Uh

2314
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:45,679
that's because the you know the Brown

2315
01:25:45,679 --> 01:25:48,000
Act requires 72 hours and a staff report

2316
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:49,760
has to be prepared. It just doesn't work

2317
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,520
well.

2318
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:57,199
So um the board uh re determined to

2319
01:25:57,199 --> 01:26:00,239
preapprove certain meetings that recur.

2320
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:02,960
A list of 27 of such specific meetings

2321
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:04,800
was developed

2322
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,719
and these cover the vast majority of

2323
01:26:06,719 --> 01:26:09,840
meetings that directors attend. I think

2324
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,880
those are up there right now and there's

2325
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,600
14 and then the second slide will be uh

2326
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:18,960
the rest of them. Yeah, thanks.

2327
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,280
So the list worked pretty well. Um the

2328
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,199
only category

2329
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:24,639
uh it worked pretty well. The only

2330
01:26:24,639 --> 01:26:27,120
category we suggest adding to this cate

2331
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,760
is the u meetings with the general

2332
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,320
manager and because everybody assumed

2333
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,120
that would be a meeting that would be uh

2334
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,440
compensated but of course we're going to

2335
01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:38,719
have a discussion about this later

2336
01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:40,080
because there may be other thoughts

2337
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,120
about that. So that's the one uh we are

2338
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,520
as staff recommending that be added that

2339
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,320
was left out. But there are still unique

2340
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:51,360
meetings that arise and need director

2341
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,480
attendance. To try to address these, the

2342
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:56,480
board added two provisions dealing with

2343
01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:58,000
situations that could not be

2344
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,520
anticipated.

2345
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,480
They include any other meetings directly

2346
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:04,880
involving the district. That was one.

2347
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:09,120
That's the 27, I believe. And then 28 is

2348
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,760
uh any other meeting indirectly

2349
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,719
involving the district by subject matter

2350
01:27:14,719 --> 01:27:17,760
provided the director submit in the

2351
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,480
request for compensation how the subject

2352
01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:24,159
matter related to the district.

2353
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:25,840
Recently the form submitted for

2354
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:27,760
compensation did not always provide the

2355
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:29,440
substantiation.

2356
01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:31,600
We believe that part of the problem is

2357
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,600
the fact our form was not clear on the

2358
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,400
requirement and we're going to propose a

2359
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,199
a fix for that.

2360
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:43,600
So we are suggesting that the form uh be

2361
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:45,679
revised to fix the problem and we

2362
01:27:45,679 --> 01:27:47,120
believe the problem will be taken care

2363
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:50,400
of going forward. We also suggest that

2364
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:52,239
each director submitting such a form

2365
01:27:52,239 --> 01:27:55,280
describe in a brief report at a

2366
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,360
subsequent board meeting how the meeting

2367
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,120
or event indirectly involved the

2368
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,920
district by subject matter. The same as

2369
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,480
we currently now do for reimbursement of

2370
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:06,800
expenses. It's in the state statute that

2371
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,560
you have to provide a brief report if

2372
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,040
you get paid your gas mileage, but it

2373
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:12,560
doesn't say you have to do that for

2374
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:14,880
getting your your daily PDM. So, we're

2375
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:16,639
suggesting it's not going to be much of

2376
01:28:16,639 --> 01:28:19,280
a stretch for you to give a brief report

2377
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:22,159
on how attendance at that meeting

2378
01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:26,239
advanced the district's goals.

2379
01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:28,320
A last uh point of clarification is

2380
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:31,040
remote meetings. The policy does not

2381
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,520
mention remote meetings and since the

2382
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,239
COVID uh pandemic, the Brown Act has

2383
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:38,639
allowed certain remote meetings and

2384
01:28:38,639 --> 01:28:40,239
attending meetings remotely has become

2385
01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:42,880
to be generally accepted. We ask that

2386
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,199
the board clarify that remote meetings

2387
01:28:45,199 --> 01:28:47,520
will also be entitled to compensation

2388
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,880
the same as live meetings.

2389
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:54,400
So in conclusion, staff suggests one,

2390
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,560
add a general manager to the meetings to

2391
01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:00,400
the list of 27 specific categories. Two,

2392
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,040
beef up the form used to justify direct

2393
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:04,800
and indirect subject matter meetings so

2394
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,840
the director provides the justification.

2395
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:09,840
Three, have the director report on the

2396
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:12,320
meetings attended the next board meeting

2397
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,440
or a future board meeting. And four,

2398
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:18,320
clarify the remote meetings qualify if

2399
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,400
that is the intent.

2400
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:24,080
That is a staff suggestion and uh we'd

2401
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,239
love to answer any questions and listen

2402
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:29,040
to what the board has to say about this.

2403
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:35,350
again. I'll start this um

2404
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:38,880
on the list the the list of 29 or

2405
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:43,840
whatever it is the title like number 16,

2406
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:48,239
number 14, number 15. All it says in

2407
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:50,880
this list is City of Costa Mesa

2408
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:52,480
meetings, City of Newport Beach

2409
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:57,430
meetings, County of Orange meetings.

2410
01:29:57,440 --> 01:29:58,880
There are a lot of meetings that the

2411
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:02,880
city does that have no involvement with

2412
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,360
with the sanitary district and I think

2413
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:07,280
we've had it's already happened where

2414
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:10,080
directors have asked to be predium for

2415
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,159
going to certain meetings that we've

2416
01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:13,840
determined aren't relevant to the

2417
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:17,440
district by labeling these the way we've

2418
01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:20,790
done here.

2419
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,440
It it says city of Costa Mesa meetings.

2420
01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:25,520
Well, that could mean any meeting. So, I

2421
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:28,400
think we need to scope this down when it

2422
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,920
comes to that general general topic.

2423
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:33,990
>> Good point.

2424
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:34,000
» Good point.

2425
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:35,510
>> Um,

2426
01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:35,520
» Um,

2427
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,840
county meetings, too. Orange. County of

2428
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:38,159
Orange.

2429
01:30:38,159 --> 01:30:39,669
>> County of Orange meetings. Yeah,

2430
01:30:39,669 --> 01:30:39,679
» County of Orange meetings. Yeah,

2431
01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:45,350
>> same thing.

2432
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,920
» What's my mind right now? So,

2433
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:49,590
>> I'll I'll open it up to the rest of the

2434
01:30:49,590 --> 01:30:49,600
» I'll I'll open it up to the rest of the

2435
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,600
board. Bob

2436
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,719
on on item or meeting that list number

2437
01:30:54,719 --> 01:30:57,679
28. Um

2438
01:30:57,679 --> 01:31:01,760
I I think we need to clarify

2439
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,600
um

2440
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,480
when the board approved

2441
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:10,320
what meetings that encompasses.

2442
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:15,199
Um I I firmly believe that the eco

2443
01:31:15,199 --> 01:31:17,440
eco conference

2444
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:20,800
uh should be listed on that list.

2445
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,480
Um

2446
01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:24,880
and there's a number of other meetings.

2447
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,840
You know, I think it would probably I

2448
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:29,840
think I think that has that would it

2449
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:33,600
would be helpful if if the board members

2450
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:38,239
knew that the if you came to the the the

2451
01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:41,360
eco meeting

2452
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:43,920
it's one of the more fabulous

2453
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,080
district meetings.

2454
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:49,830
um

2455
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:53,920
maybe compensated for. Um I I would I

2456
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,880
would like to see a list of what staff

2457
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:59,440
believes

2458
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:01,280
meetings that would fall under that

2459
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:05,520
topic or not. By it not being on there,

2460
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:09,600
I guess that would be the or not. Um and

2461
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,239
you know, I I I I guess I also believe

2462
01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:14,239
that

2463
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:16,719
formally meetings with the general

2464
01:32:16,719 --> 01:32:20,800
manager are important and that should

2465
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:26,239
have been compensated for and for the um

2466
01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:29,199
since 06 when I've been on this board

2467
01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:33,760
they have been compensated for and and

2468
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:35,920
so I'm not I'm not sure why it's so

2469
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:39,920
black and white um in in the staff

2470
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:41,840
report

2471
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:49,990
um to make that distinction.

2472
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:53,440
And that may be some of the items that

2473
01:32:53,440 --> 01:32:58,229
Sue has on her list.

2474
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:00,800
Agree with you.

2475
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:02,950
>> The other question I I agree I agree

2476
01:33:02,950 --> 01:33:02,960
» The other question I I agree I agree

2477
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,400
with Bob too. Um

2478
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:08,639
so with this new form about giving an

2479
01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:11,120
iteration on on what we learned at the

2480
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:12,719
meeting or why we went to the meeting or

2481
01:33:12,719 --> 01:33:15,360
whatever does that mean at the end of

2482
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,199
our agenda currently at the end of our

2483
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:20,320
agenda there's certain committees that

2484
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:24,159
get reported on like me with SDRMA ISDOC

2485
01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:25,920
CSTA

2486
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:29,440
SAR we going to eliminate thing reports

2487
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:31,280
during the meeting now

2488
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:33,189
>> no I would think those would still be

2489
01:33:33,189 --> 01:33:33,199
» no I would think those would still be

2490
01:33:33,199 --> 01:33:35,520
there there could be some overlap, but

2491
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:38,560
um what you might want to do is just

2492
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,120
provide a brief report of how your

2493
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,440
attendance uh related or directly

2494
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:45,120
advanced the district or something like

2495
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:46,800
that. For the ones that are not called

2496
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:48,400
out, ones that are called out, you don't

2497
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:49,520
have to give a report at all.

2498
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:50,629
>> We wouldn't have to do the little

2499
01:33:50,629 --> 01:33:50,639
» We wouldn't have to do the little

2500
01:33:50,639 --> 01:33:52,080
written report that you're talking about

2501
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:53,360
adding

2502
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:55,189
>> or we do we have to do both.

2503
01:33:55,189 --> 01:33:55,199
» or we do we have to do both.

2504
01:33:55,199 --> 01:33:57,189
>> You just have to do one or the other.

2505
01:33:57,189 --> 01:33:57,199
» You just have to do one or the other.

2506
01:33:57,199 --> 01:33:59,590
>> Okay, that that answers my question. We

2507
01:33:59,590 --> 01:33:59,600
» Okay, that that answers my question. We

2508
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:01,280
have to have a record that uh and it

2509
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:03,520
needs to be done before the the payment

2510
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:05,199
is approved.

2511
01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:10,310
>> Right. Um the other

2512
01:34:10,310 --> 01:34:10,320
» Right. Um the other

2513
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:13,199
association that's not listed on here is

2514
01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:15,440
the Southern California Waste Management

2515
01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:17,760
Forum which has got a annual meeting

2516
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:21,280
coming up in March. Um I've attended

2517
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:24,480
most of those forums and they have a lot

2518
01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:26,320
of bearing on what we do from a solid

2519
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:28,719
weight standpoint. So that one needs to

2520
01:34:28,719 --> 01:34:34,070
be added to the list. I believe

2521
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,960
I looking through here I I suppose it

2522
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:38,400
could be any other meeting directly

2523
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:40,080
involving the district by subject

2524
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:42,159
matter. I think so.

2525
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:44,790
>> Right. Subject matter is solid waste and

2526
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:44,800
» Right. Subject matter is solid waste and

2527
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,639
that's yes kind of what we're in charge

2528
01:34:46,639 --> 01:34:50,480
of. So that if that if if number 29 in

2529
01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:51,920
would incorporate that then we don't

2530
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:55,750
need to add it separately.

2531
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:57,520
» I would think so.

2532
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:58,560
Um,

2533
01:34:58,560 --> 01:34:59,990
>> and when you fill out your

2534
01:34:59,990 --> 01:35:00,000
» and when you fill out your

2535
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,560
substantiation for request form for

2536
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:04,400
compensation, you're going to add a few

2537
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,560
lines about how it helped and that's the

2538
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:08,000
justification you need.

2539
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:08,310
>> Okay?

2540
01:35:08,310 --> 01:35:08,320
» Okay?

2541
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:09,910
>> So, you don't there's no need to do

2542
01:35:09,910 --> 01:35:09,920
» So, you don't there's no need to do

2543
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:11,760
anything different. We will have to make

2544
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,000
it some way in which that's brought

2545
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,480
before the board before you get paid for

2546
01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:18,639
the the day's

2547
01:35:18,639 --> 01:35:20,880
attendance if it's not specifically

2548
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:23,360
listed. Also, it it says that we're

2549
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,840
entitled for expenses for doing our

2550
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:27,840
ethics and sexual harassment training,

2551
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,560
which is mandated by state law. Does it

2552
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:32,080
make a difference whether we do those

2553
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:34,880
virtually or live?

2554
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,350
>> Well, if you have expenses, it wouldn't

2555
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:37,360
» Well, if you have expenses, it wouldn't

2556
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:38,639
Yeah,

2557
01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:42,550
>> I've tended to do my last couple online

2558
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:42,560
» I've tended to do my last couple online

2559
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,719
and you're required to have a two and a

2560
01:35:44,719 --> 01:35:47,520
half hour. I mean, you you can finish

2561
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:50,400
the subject matter in 30 minutes, but

2562
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:52,000
you got to stay online for two and a

2563
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:55,360
half hours. I mean, so that those still

2564
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:55,920
qualify.

2565
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:57,350
>> Were you talking about expenses or the

2566
01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:57,360
» Were you talking about expenses or the

2567
01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:57,920
pdeium?

2568
01:35:57,920 --> 01:35:58,709
>> PDM.

2569
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:58,719
» PDM.

2570
01:35:58,719 --> 01:36:01,189
>> Oh, okay. Yeah. Sorry, I misunderstood.

2571
01:36:01,189 --> 01:36:01,199
» Oh, okay. Yeah. Sorry, I misunderstood.

2572
01:36:01,199 --> 01:36:03,040
Yeah, the pdeium. uh you could either

2573
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:04,719
specifically call it out or you could

2574
01:36:04,719 --> 01:36:07,040
say it directly or indirectly involved

2575
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:09,040
the district because you're required by

2576
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:12,080
law to complete this to serve as a an

2577
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:14,880
officer a director.

2578
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:17,510
>> The public served by you having going

2579
01:36:17,510 --> 01:36:17,520
» The public served by you having going

2580
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,400
having gone through both those courses.

2581
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:22,790
>> So the pdium I can't charge the district

2582
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:22,800
» So the pdium I can't charge the district

2583
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:26,960
for the electricity you computer

2584
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,040
that was a facitious remark for the

2585
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:32,080
record. We used to pay for toner paper

2586
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:34,560
lump few years ago.

2587
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:35,590
>> Yeah.

2588
01:36:35,590 --> 01:36:35,600
» Yeah.

2589
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:38,709
>> Mike, the list I have says the solid

2590
01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:38,719
» Mike, the list I have says the solid

2591
01:36:38,719 --> 01:36:41,040
waste association of North America.

2592
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:43,030
>> That's Swana. This is the waste

2593
01:36:43,030 --> 01:36:43,040
» That's Swana. This is the waste

2594
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:44,400
management form. It's a different

2595
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:49,430
organization.

2596
01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:51,760
» Where's one about ethics?

2597
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:53,830
>> Section 301

2598
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:53,840
» Section 301

2599
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:56,719
035 and 036.

2600
01:36:56,719 --> 01:37:05,030
It's at the end of the the list.

2601
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:06,719
» You don't have that part.

2602
01:37:06,719 --> 01:37:08,149
>> Okay.

2603
01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:08,159
» Okay.

2604
01:37:08,159 --> 01:37:10,709
>> I went also that class is not that easy.

2605
01:37:10,709 --> 01:37:10,719
» I went also that class is not that easy.

2606
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:12,239
You have to really understand what

2607
01:37:12,239 --> 01:37:13,280
they're doing because you have to take

2608
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:15,440
the test afterwards on on both

2609
01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:16,149
>> on both of them.

2610
01:37:16,149 --> 01:37:16,159
» on both of them.

2611
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:20,470
>> On both of them there is a test.

2612
01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:22,320
» Okay. I have Yes. I'll speak on this

2613
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:28,080
item. Um so I think the context is

2614
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:31,119
in having two newer board members. You

2615
01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:33,600
guys are right. These are in some ways

2616
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,520
these are explicitly listed but they are

2617
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:39,280
very broad and sort of the message I was

2618
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:42,400
getting was like this is the way to be a

2619
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:45,360
board member is go to these meetings.

2620
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:48,080
It's your responsibility to be informed

2621
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:51,440
and all these interconnected bodies. Um,

2622
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:53,920
but at the same time, of course, you

2623
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,960
know, even wanting to like go above and

2624
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:59,040
beyond, which is kind of just the type

2625
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:02,239
of person I am, I noticed that there are

2626
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:04,000
different types of meetings where I feel

2627
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:05,920
I'm bringing the most value to, and

2628
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:08,000
those tend to be more one-on-one

2629
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:11,360
meetings versus going and sitting and

2630
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:14,320
attending in a meeting. Um, and so, of

2631
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:15,600
course, a bunch of questions have been

2632
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:19,679
coming up in the last few months. Um,

2633
01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:22,800
I listed out these are all examples of

2634
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:25,600
types of meetings that have come up and

2635
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:29,520
either been yes, no, or I don't know.

2636
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:32,000
And I'll I'll even just start with our

2637
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,960
existing list, which is approved

2638
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:37,280
conferences or organized educational

2639
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:40,239
activities. I would say eco expo could

2640
01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:42,880
have fallen under organized educational

2641
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:44,400
activities.

2642
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,480
Um, you guys are right. City of Costa

2643
01:38:46,480 --> 01:38:48,560
Mesa, City of Orange, Newport Beach

2644
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:51,520
meetings. Um,

2645
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,600
super educational, super I'm very

2646
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:55,040
passionate about it, very informative,

2647
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:58,560
but I I think we've taken it as any

2648
01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:02,400
commission meetings apply there as well.

2649
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:06,159
I'm fine with leaving those on the list.

2650
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:09,520
My intention with this memo that I

2651
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:10,960
prepared for you guys is that I think

2652
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:14,960
there's a best use of my time as a board

2653
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:17,679
member that would bring the most value,

2654
01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:20,000
but if we're more comfortable with the

2655
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:21,920
existing list, like that's okay with me,

2656
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:25,679
too. Um, and so

2657
01:39:25,679 --> 01:39:28,080
13 is quite broad as well, educational

2658
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:30,639
outreach and presentations. And then of

2659
01:39:30,639 --> 01:39:33,199
course the the item that's or the number

2660
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:36,000
that's bringing us all like confusion 28

2661
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,080
and 29 because there's so many things we

2662
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:41,040
could argue directly or indirectly uh

2663
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,280
involve the district. So before I get

2664
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,119
into like the types of meetings I do

2665
01:39:45,119 --> 01:39:49,040
want to say I I don't really feel like

2666
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:52,080
board direction in past conversations

2667
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:55,440
indicated that we needed more reporting.

2668
01:39:55,440 --> 01:39:58,080
And so I do want to say I'm not really

2669
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:00,560
in support of having to submit more

2670
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:02,560
reporting for meetings we've already

2671
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:04,320
pre-approved.

2672
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:06,880
Um I think that's just we're doing our

2673
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:10,080
job, you know. So that's something I

2674
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:12,639
wouldn't agree with in the staff report.

2675
01:40:12,639 --> 01:40:15,360
And then going into and then my

2676
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:17,440
understanding was that um Zoom

2677
01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:19,760
participation was actually protected by

2678
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:21,360
state policy, but if we want to

2679
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:25,119
explicitly list that, I'm all for that.

2680
01:40:25,119 --> 01:40:29,600
Um so yeah, let's go through my ideas

2681
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:31,840
that things I think should be clarified

2682
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:35,199
and included. Um district hosted or

2683
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:37,119
district funded community events such as

2684
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:39,679
the Eco Expo. So I think anywhere where

2685
01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:42,480
where district funds are being spent and

2686
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:44,400
they have the intention of engaging with

2687
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:47,280
our customers, educating our customers,

2688
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:52,239
I think for many reasons we should go

2689
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:54,560
and be compensated for our time there,

2690
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:56,960
whether it's engaging with customers or

2691
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:59,040
even just fiscal oversight. You know, if

2692
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:00,639
we're spending a lot of money to sponsor

2693
01:41:00,639 --> 01:41:02,800
something, I think we should all go and

2694
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:04,320
check it out and make sure it's a good

2695
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:07,760
use of our time. Um, funny enough, the

2696
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:10,159
same month that Eco Expo wasn't approved

2697
01:41:10,159 --> 01:41:14,080
for you guys, uh, the Newport Mesa state

2698
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,639
of or the state of Newport Mesa

2699
01:41:16,639 --> 01:41:20,320
breakfast got approved for me. And so, I

2700
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:22,239
would disagree with that. I would say I

2701
01:41:22,239 --> 01:41:24,719
got more value connecting with our staff

2702
01:41:24,719 --> 01:41:28,159
and coming here to the Ego Expo, a lot

2703
01:41:28,159 --> 01:41:29,600
of people didn't even know I was a board

2704
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:31,920
member yet. So, everyone was being super

2705
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:33,280
normal, which was great. I brought my

2706
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:35,760
daughter. So

2707
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:38,400
I I kind of want to create a it's in a

2708
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:39,920
way it's getting more specific, right?

2709
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,159
It's not general organized educational

2710
01:41:42,159 --> 01:41:44,480
activities or educational presentations,

2711
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:48,320
but if it's directly funded or sponsored

2712
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:50,480
by the district,

2713
01:41:50,480 --> 01:41:52,400
I want to I want to say, you know, if

2714
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:54,320
we've decided it's worth our money, then

2715
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:55,760
it should be worth board members going

2716
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:58,480
to. Um here's another big one that I

2717
01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:01,840
want to push back on. only um making the

2718
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:04,880
policy to just the general manager. I

2719
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:08,080
have a problem with that. I would love I

2720
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:11,040
have actually an example. So I I want to

2721
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:12,800
specifically highlight meetings with

2722
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:15,280
district staff because they are experts

2723
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:17,920
in their respective areas and I think

2724
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:20,400
encouraging like meaningful engagement

2725
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:22,960
with the board would make us better

2726
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:26,080
board members. Great example was I met

2727
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,400
with Mark and our other engineer to go

2728
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:32,080
over Tessa and then the the um

2729
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:34,560
productivity of that conversation that

2730
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,520
meeting rolled into the quarterly

2731
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,600
liaison meeting where then we talked

2732
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:42,080
about Tessa with the city of Costa Mesa

2733
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:45,520
staff and having that type of

2734
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:47,040
collaboration

2735
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:51,040
I think should be encouraged. Um, and I

2736
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:53,119
feel like there's always items that

2737
01:42:53,119 --> 01:42:55,920
could be discussed more more deeply. I

2738
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:58,159
could be educated more on in that

2739
01:42:58,159 --> 01:42:59,920
one-on-one setting. Like for example,

2740
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:04,320
walking through the entire CIP list and

2741
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:07,199
learning directly from Mark about every

2742
01:43:07,199 --> 01:43:09,119
single project rather than that needing

2743
01:43:09,119 --> 01:43:12,000
to be an agenda item at a meeting. Um,

2744
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:15,119
so I really don't want to explicitly

2745
01:43:15,119 --> 01:43:16,719
exclude

2746
01:43:16,719 --> 01:43:19,040
meetings with staff and say only with

2747
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:23,520
the general manager. Um, and I see that

2748
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:25,600
being a really productive use of like

2749
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:28,320
city council's time at the city level. A

2750
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:30,480
lot of council members will take the

2751
01:43:30,480 --> 01:43:33,119
time to do one-on-one meetings with

2752
01:43:33,119 --> 01:43:36,639
department staff and directors before a

2753
01:43:36,639 --> 01:43:38,400
meeting so that they get all their, you

2754
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:40,159
know, preliminary questions out of the

2755
01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:42,080
way and then are really equipped to vote

2756
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:46,000
on an item later on. Um, so I'd really

2757
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:49,199
like to push for including meetings with

2758
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:52,960
staff and even I wanted to share like I

2759
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:54,960
think it would be really cool to and

2760
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:57,199
this is just for me because I'm new. I

2761
01:43:57,199 --> 01:43:59,119
would love to have like a one-on-one

2762
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:00,960
meeting with a new staff member on a

2763
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:03,600
monthly basis just to get to know their

2764
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:06,639
role, their specialty. What do they see

2765
01:44:06,639 --> 01:44:08,639
as things that can be improved? What is

2766
01:44:08,639 --> 01:44:10,800
their vision for their department or

2767
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:13,199
their special projects? Like when I

2768
01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:16,560
think about what is the best possible

2769
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:18,239
board member, it's someone who does

2770
01:44:18,239 --> 01:44:20,080
things like that, you know, and really

2771
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:23,920
invests in our staff. So, that's kind of

2772
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:28,159
a vision that I would have for an item

2773
01:44:28,159 --> 01:44:30,080
like that or in a, you know, an event

2774
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:34,480
category like that. Um, and then we

2775
01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:36,159
one-on-one meetings with board members

2776
01:44:36,159 --> 01:44:37,760
was something I wanted to add on here.

2777
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:41,280
It's not as important to me. Um, but I

2778
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:42,719
could see that being also a really

2779
01:44:42,719 --> 01:44:45,040
valuable use of our time. And then the

2780
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:47,760
fourth one is meetings with other

2781
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:49,280
elected officials, senior

2782
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:51,280
representatives, key partners, vendors.

2783
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:53,440
This could even be CAC members,

2784
01:44:53,440 --> 01:44:56,320
one-on-one meetings with them. Uh, yeah.

2785
01:44:56,320 --> 01:45:00,320
So, funny enough, I got uh I asked uh

2786
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:02,560
staff if a meeting with John Stevens

2787
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:04,159
would get approved as long as it was

2788
01:45:04,159 --> 01:45:07,040
related to aka the mayor. Um, as long as

2789
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:09,760
it was related to business here at the

2790
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:11,280
district and that got approved. I

2791
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:14,080
haven't um filed for that yet because I

2792
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:17,679
haven't needed to. But I also see that

2793
01:45:17,679 --> 01:45:20,320
as a really

2794
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:23,760
like good use of our time is once again

2795
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,000
relationship building that cross

2796
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:28,880
collaboration with all the other people.

2797
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:30,560
And and that's what's so funny is I

2798
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:32,560
could get paid to go sit in a council

2799
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,520
meeting and listen to their meeting, but

2800
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:39,119
is that really the best use of my time?

2801
01:45:39,119 --> 01:45:42,080
No. As a director, as being an informed

2802
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:44,960
citizen, all those things, yes. And I

2803
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:46,880
encourage all all my friends to do that.

2804
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:51,440
But as a board member, um I would love

2805
01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:54,560
to have meetings with, you know, the

2806
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:57,040
public works director, the solid waste

2807
01:45:57,040 --> 01:46:00,320
director at the city, start meeting with

2808
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:03,040
people from CRNR, like just to learn and

2809
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:05,119
once again have those like collaborative

2810
01:46:05,119 --> 01:46:06,639
meetings.

2811
01:46:06,639 --> 01:46:10,800
Um and I think basically

2812
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:15,280
uh indirectly this policy

2813
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:18,080
sways board members to go towards what's

2814
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:20,960
safe and what's certain which is okay I

2815
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:23,119
know for sure if I go to this meeting

2816
01:46:23,119 --> 01:46:24,639
then I will get paid and I'm not going

2817
01:46:24,639 --> 01:46:26,800
to be in a gray area. And so it's it's

2818
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:29,840
almost unintentionally like dissuading

2819
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:31,760
from doing what I believe is more

2820
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:33,840
productive time, more relationship

2821
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:36,719
building um with of course relevant

2822
01:46:36,719 --> 01:46:39,760
stakeholders. And so

2823
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,560
what I believe was the intention in

2824
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:46,880
going into this item was a lot of these

2825
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:49,840
vague meeting types have been coming up

2826
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:53,280
with two new board members and we were

2827
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:55,760
supposed to just discuss it. I didn't

2828
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:58,159
feel that we needed to add more

2829
01:46:58,159 --> 01:47:02,480
reporting on the table. And I do think

2830
01:47:02,480 --> 01:47:04,880
we either add some specific examples or

2831
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:06,880
we take these broad examples and we try

2832
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:08,159
to figure out how to make them more

2833
01:47:08,159 --> 01:47:11,520
specific. Um, but yeah, I wanted you

2834
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:13,440
guys to know like that's my intention is

2835
01:47:13,440 --> 01:47:16,320
I think I could be doing a lot more more

2836
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:21,440
impactful work and having u more of a a

2837
01:47:21,440 --> 01:47:23,840
return on investment on my time for

2838
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:25,520
meetings on behalf of the district and

2839
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:27,520
as a board member and wanted to pitch

2840
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:31,840
you guys on them. Um, and then I have no

2841
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:33,840
intention in increasing our

2842
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:35,440
compensation,

2843
01:47:35,440 --> 01:47:37,280
but I would like it to be noted for the

2844
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:39,520
record that we could legally increase

2845
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:43,119
our compensation 50% to $442 and we're

2846
01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:46,880
not going to do that. Um,

2847
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:48,719
and

2848
01:47:48,719 --> 01:47:50,639
yeah, I think

2849
01:47:50,639 --> 01:47:51,750
>> yeah,

2850
01:47:51,750 --> 01:47:51,760
» yeah,

2851
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:56,229
>> um, just to tag a couple things. Um,

2852
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:56,239
» um, just to tag a couple things. Um,

2853
01:47:56,239 --> 01:47:58,560
I think the key word under district

2854
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:00,960
funded community events is if they're

2855
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:03,520
hosted by us. There was an article in

2856
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:06,400
the register years ago about a director

2857
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:11,280
from a fellow special district and the

2858
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:16,080
whole article was based on um

2859
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:19,199
who go who goes to what meetings, right?

2860
01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:20,960
And

2861
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:22,480
there was a director that was pointed

2862
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:25,280
out for including going to dance recital

2863
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:28,080
that had something to do. So there's a

2864
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,880
lot of gray area in there that

2865
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:33,199
that needs to be vetted out and the fact

2866
01:48:33,199 --> 01:48:35,520
that it's hosted by us I think is the

2867
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:38,719
key the key part of that. Um, as far as

2868
01:48:38,719 --> 01:48:40,880
meeting with staff,

2869
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:42,560
um,

2870
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:45,440
what about times where my computer isn't

2871
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:47,520
working and I come in and I meet with

2872
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:50,400
the IT people to fix my computer?

2873
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:53,990
>> Yeah, I think I wrote um, we could

2874
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:54,000
» Yeah, I think I wrote um, we could

2875
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:56,480
create a structured

2876
01:48:56,480 --> 01:48:56,950
>> Yeah.

2877
01:48:56,950 --> 01:48:56,960
» Yeah.

2878
01:48:56,960 --> 01:48:57,669
>> policy.

2879
01:48:57,669 --> 01:48:57,679
» policy.

2880
01:48:57,679 --> 01:48:58,229
>> Yeah.

2881
01:48:58,229 --> 01:48:58,239
» Yeah.

2882
01:48:58,239 --> 01:49:00,070
>> For one-on-one meetings because I think

2883
01:49:00,070 --> 01:49:00,080
» For one-on-one meetings because I think

2884
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:03,119
you're right. Uh, a phone call with

2885
01:49:03,119 --> 01:49:05,679
Nolani when she's helping us shouldn't

2886
01:49:05,679 --> 01:49:08,480
qualify. I I'm hesitant to put a time

2887
01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:11,119
restriction on it because an hour

2888
01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:12,320
doesn't mean you had a productive

2889
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:12,960
meeting.

2890
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:14,870
>> There should not be a time. I I

2891
01:49:14,870 --> 01:49:14,880
» There should not be a time. I I

2892
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:17,590
>> But I I do think like basically I wanted

2893
01:49:17,590 --> 01:49:17,600
» But I I do think like basically I wanted

2894
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:21,600
to get a a temp check with you guys, but

2895
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:24,159
I'm I'm willing to think a little deeper

2896
01:49:24,159 --> 01:49:27,360
about like what could qualify. I I think

2897
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:32,960
um meeting with new employees,

2898
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:34,960
I have difficulty with with approving

2899
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:38,480
that because we are not their employers,

2900
01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:42,400
their employer, right? Um our charge as

2901
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,960
a board member is to set policy, not

2902
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:47,520
worry about personnel. Now, if we change

2903
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:49,679
that to a meeting with a department

2904
01:49:49,679 --> 01:49:52,000
head, meeting with Mark to go over a

2905
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:55,600
project, I think is a valid reason to

2906
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:57,199
receive a predeem.

2907
01:49:57,199 --> 01:50:00,629
>> Okay. Uh meeting with Diana to go over

2908
01:50:00,629 --> 01:50:00,639
» Okay. Uh meeting with Diana to go over

2909
01:50:00,639 --> 01:50:02,800
all the work she's doing on this health

2910
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:05,199
benefits to get some clarification I

2911
01:50:05,199 --> 01:50:07,600
think is a valid reason.

2912
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:07,990
>> Yeah.

2913
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:08,000
» Yeah.

2914
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:09,590
>> To receive PDM. But

2915
01:50:09,590 --> 01:50:09,600
» To receive PDM. But

2916
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:11,990
>> we could do leadership. it would

2917
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:12,000
» we could do leadership. it would

2918
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:12,470
>> or

2919
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:12,480
» or

2920
01:50:12,480 --> 01:50:14,709
>> I know at SDRMA we we structure it with

2921
01:50:14,709 --> 01:50:14,719
» I know at SDRMA we we structure it with

2922
01:50:14,719 --> 01:50:16,159
our department heads.

2923
01:50:16,159 --> 01:50:18,790
>> Okay. Going to speak to a an individual

2924
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:18,800
» Okay. Going to speak to a an individual

2925
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:22,560
employee uh might have to you would be

2926
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:23,840
better served going through the general

2927
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:28,400
manager I think. with that. Um,

2928
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:30,400
the one that I really have difficulty

2929
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:32,560
with honestly is one-on-one with board

2930
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:35,199
members and and the biggest reason I

2931
01:50:35,199 --> 01:50:39,760
have uh trepidation about that is

2932
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:43,119
optically it doesn't look good. I mean,

2933
01:50:43,119 --> 01:50:45,520
honestly, Art and I go to the same Lions

2934
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:48,239
Club meeting, right? We're in the same

2935
01:50:48,239 --> 01:50:50,239
Lions Club here in town.

2936
01:50:50,239 --> 01:50:52,080
Um

2937
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:54,320
there's no way

2938
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:57,520
in the green earth that I would ever say

2939
01:50:57,520 --> 01:50:59,600
well hey are and we don't talk about

2940
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,800
district I I can stand on a Bible and

2941
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,040
tell you that we don't talk about

2942
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:08,000
district business. It's a social and I

2943
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:10,320
think the law recognizes the fact that

2944
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:12,719
we could all five of us go to a social

2945
01:51:12,719 --> 01:51:14,480
function. We're not going to get paid

2946
01:51:14,480 --> 01:51:15,669
>> but not talk about

2947
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:15,679
» but not talk about

2948
01:51:15,679 --> 01:51:17,430
>> and we don't talk about it. I mean

2949
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:17,440
» and we don't talk about it. I mean

2950
01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:20,560
that's to me that's Yeah, it's it's the

2951
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:22,080
meetings with Scott that got me thinking

2952
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:23,840
about that because it's funny that if

2953
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:26,400
there's two of us and Scott, we get

2954
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:29,040
paid, but if you remove Scott, then

2955
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:30,159
we're not paid.

2956
01:51:30,159 --> 01:51:31,830
>> And I think that's how we should

2957
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:31,840
» And I think that's how we should

2958
01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:32,400
continue.

2959
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:33,990
>> And that's totally fine with me. It's

2960
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:34,000
» And that's totally fine with me. It's

2961
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:36,159
the one I probably am the least

2962
01:51:36,159 --> 01:51:37,840
passionate about because I get enough

2963
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:39,679
time with you guys.

2964
01:51:39,679 --> 01:51:41,589
>> I'm totally kidding. Um,

2965
01:51:41,589 --> 01:51:41,599
» I'm totally kidding. Um,

2966
01:51:41,599 --> 01:51:43,589
>> thanks a lot. We all feel that way to be

2967
01:51:43,589 --> 01:51:43,599
» thanks a lot. We all feel that way to be

2968
01:51:43,599 --> 01:51:45,440
honest. [laughter]

2969
01:51:45,440 --> 01:51:48,320
Um, yeah, and I think that's wiser as

2970
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:50,159
far as protecting the Brown Act as well.

2971
01:51:50,159 --> 01:51:52,480
But yeah, the

2972
01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:54,560
Yeah, if I had to pick though, I think

2973
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:58,639
the staff one I' I'd want to emphasize.

2974
01:51:58,639 --> 01:52:00,719
Um,

2975
01:52:00,719 --> 01:52:02,239
what do you guys think about the other

2976
01:52:02,239 --> 01:52:04,149
>> I I disagree. I don't think meeting with

2977
01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:04,159
» I I disagree. I don't think meeting with

2978
01:52:04,159 --> 01:52:06,000
the staff I don't think one-on-one

2979
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:08,000
meetings are good and meetings with

2980
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:10,239
other elected officials, I don't think

2981
01:52:10,239 --> 01:52:13,840
those are good for us. Let's keep it as

2982
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:23,430
as is the 29 that we have.

2983
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:25,440
» Um

2984
01:52:25,440 --> 01:52:27,360
when I was a director for the Orange

2985
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:32,159
County Sand District, I rarely had um

2986
01:52:32,159 --> 01:52:33,840
a director call me and ask for

2987
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:37,040
information and I don't believe they

2988
01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:39,199
did. I don't know whether they got paid

2989
01:52:39,199 --> 01:52:44,550
for it or not.

2990
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:48,800
I appreciate director writthusi

2991
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:52,639
and I appreciate her need and director

2992
01:52:52,639 --> 01:52:55,760
well need and my need when I came on the

2993
01:52:55,760 --> 01:53:00,080
district to understand policy

2994
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:06,480
and I I believe that uh

2995
01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:09,520
um director right you will be a better

2996
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:10,880
director

2997
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:14,639
Um and I have no problem for her to get

2998
01:53:14,639 --> 01:53:18,080
compensated for meeting with certain

2999
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:22,719
level staff. um

3000
01:53:22,719 --> 01:53:24,560
meeting meeting with the general manager

3001
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:26,639
in the past,

3002
01:53:26,639 --> 01:53:28,960
you know,

3003
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:33,760
I believe that um

3004
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:35,679
direct directors got paid for that

3005
01:53:35,679 --> 01:53:38,320
compensation pretty much, you know,

3006
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:42,560
whenever whenever it came up. Um, and I

3007
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:46,320
believe that that that is a an, you

3008
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:48,719
know, I talked to Scott on the phone

3009
01:53:48,719 --> 01:53:50,960
quite a lot. That's not what I would

3010
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:56,159
like to be paid for. Um,

3011
01:53:56,159 --> 01:53:58,480
you know, I I mean, historically, I've

3012
01:53:58,480 --> 01:54:02,400
been a a large meeting attender.

3013
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:04,880
Um, more recently, you know, I'm I'm

3014
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:09,040
down to substantially less meetings.

3015
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:12,550
Uh,

3016
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:14,639
I I like some of director Wright's

3017
01:54:14,639 --> 01:54:17,119
comments.

3018
01:54:17,119 --> 01:54:20,470
Um

3019
01:54:20,480 --> 01:54:23,520
do like the district coast district

3020
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:25,199
funded community events. I think that's

3021
01:54:25,199 --> 01:54:26,719
important. That's a big one because

3022
01:54:26,719 --> 01:54:28,800
you're meeting the public. It's like eco

3023
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:30,550
>> esport.

3024
01:54:30,550 --> 01:54:30,560
» esport.

3025
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:32,629
>> By the way, that article in the register

3026
01:54:32,629 --> 01:54:32,639
» By the way, that article in the register

3027
01:54:32,639 --> 01:54:34,960
where and it listed directors from the

3028
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:36,639
whole county. And you know who the

3029
01:54:36,639 --> 01:54:38,159
number one guy in the county for going

3030
01:54:38,159 --> 01:54:40,800
to meetings was?

3031
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:42,310
>> Me,

3032
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:42,320
» Me,

3033
01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:44,480
you know, but I only got paid for six.

3034
01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:44,950
>> Yeah. Yeah.

3035
01:54:44,950 --> 01:54:44,960
» Yeah. Yeah.

3036
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:48,070
>> I'm still I I if I only need to put six

3037
01:54:48,070 --> 01:54:48,080
» I'm still I I if I only need to put six

3038
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:50,000
down, that's one thing. But I think the

3039
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:52,560
public should also know that I go to

3040
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:54,470
>> more than six. Yeah. I go to a lot more

3041
01:54:54,470 --> 01:54:54,480
» more than six. Yeah. I go to a lot more

3042
01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:55,360
than six.

3043
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:55,830
>> Yeah.

3044
01:54:55,830 --> 01:54:55,840
» Yeah.

3045
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:59,990
>> Yeah.

3046
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,880
» Um Okay, Nicole, did you have any

3047
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:03,760
comments?

3048
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:06,470
>> Yeah. Um you know, I a lot of my

3049
01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:06,480
» Yeah. Um you know, I a lot of my

3050
01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:09,360
thoughts echo uh Director Wright. Um I

3051
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:11,599
don't have the list in front of me of

3052
01:55:11,599 --> 01:55:14,239
the meetings that are approved. Um but

3053
01:55:14,239 --> 01:55:16,639
from what I remember, I feel like it's

3054
01:55:16,639 --> 01:55:18,159
kind of vague. I I mean, there are

3055
01:55:18,159 --> 01:55:19,760
obviously a lot of meetings on there

3056
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:21,520
that very specific. I know exactly what

3057
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:23,840
it is. But like for example, you know,

3058
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:25,920
city of Costa Mesa meetings that I think

3059
01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:27,280
uh director Wright might have brought

3060
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:29,920
up. I've gone to what I thought was a

3061
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:31,520
city of Costa Mesa meeting and then was

3062
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:33,360
informed later that it, you know, it

3063
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:34,880
wasn't eligible. And that's fine. It's

3064
01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:37,199
not a big deal, like one meeting. But I

3065
01:55:37,199 --> 01:55:40,080
don't think that we need to improve our

3066
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:44,000
forms um for, you know, additional

3067
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,920
reporting information if we just have a

3068
01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:48,400
list where everyone is on the same page

3069
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,960
about what meetings qualify and and what

3070
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:54,000
meetings don't. Um so again, I don't

3071
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:56,159
have that list in front of me right now,

3072
01:55:56,159 --> 01:55:58,400
but I'd like to see if we can further

3073
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:02,800
clarify what's on the list right now. um

3074
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:05,119
divide it into what's going to need a

3075
01:56:05,119 --> 01:56:06,719
report and what's not going to need a

3076
01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:09,440
report just again so we're all on the

3077
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:11,119
same page, staff is on the same page,

3078
01:56:11,119 --> 01:56:14,000
the public is on the same page. Um yeah,

3079
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:15,760
I would like to see a very specific

3080
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:19,760
list. And then um I have always believed

3081
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:21,440
this whole time that meeting with Scott

3082
01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:24,400
was eligible for predium. So I'm I'm not

3083
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:26,719
sure I I I don't I didn't know if it

3084
01:56:26,719 --> 01:56:29,040
wasn't. Um but I also think that we

3085
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:31,440
should be able to meet with department

3086
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:35,760
heads and um like you know a lot of our

3087
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:40,000
um a lot of our uh reports for uh study

3088
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:43,760
sessions and board meetings have um like

3089
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:45,520
big spreadsheets. I don't have a

3090
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:48,000
corporate background so I'm not used to

3091
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:50,480
reading those types of documents. And if

3092
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:52,159
I could get a little bit of prep time

3093
01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:54,080
with the person who prepared it that

3094
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:55,679
would that would make me a better board

3095
01:56:55,679 --> 01:56:57,840
member for sure. And you know, if it

3096
01:56:57,840 --> 01:56:59,360
can't go through that employee and it

3097
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:01,280
has to go through the general manager,

3098
01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:02,719
then I'm fine with that, too. You know,

3099
01:57:02,719 --> 01:57:05,360
whoever can can walk me through it. But

3100
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:08,560
yeah, I think that we just need uh a

3101
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:12,159
like a a clear list of what's eligible,

3102
01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:14,800
what's not eligible, what needs a report

3103
01:57:14,800 --> 01:57:17,760
or a summary, and what doesn't? And is

3104
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:21,840
it possible that we can get that list?

3105
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:24,800
Yeah, we'll make we'll make

3106
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:26,629
>> Yeah, like soon like by the end of the

3107
01:57:26,629 --> 01:57:26,639
» Yeah, like soon like by the end of the

3108
01:57:26,639 --> 01:57:29,520
week by next two weeks like you know

3109
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:31,119
what do we need to do?

3110
01:57:31,119 --> 01:57:32,790
>> How about tomorrow?

3111
01:57:32,790 --> 01:57:32,800
» How about tomorrow?

3112
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:35,109
>> Perfect.

3113
01:57:35,109 --> 01:57:35,119
» Perfect.

3114
01:57:35,119 --> 01:57:39,990
>> My speaking editor.

3115
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:42,719
» Yeah, it's on the agenda report as well

3116
01:57:42,719 --> 01:57:46,310
>> online.

3117
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:49,589
that.

3118
01:57:49,599 --> 01:57:50,880
» Oh, I thought we'd already have the

3119
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:52,639
list.

3120
01:57:52,639 --> 01:57:54,239
Talking about the the list you gave us

3121
01:57:54,239 --> 01:57:55,920
tonight.

3122
01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:58,790
>> Hey, Mike, how about a suggestion?

3123
01:57:58,790 --> 01:57:58,800
» Hey, Mike, how about a suggestion?

3124
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:00,159
Are you going to be meeting with Scott

3125
01:58:00,159 --> 01:58:04,880
soon? I assume. is why don't you take

3126
01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:08,480
our ideas tonight and come back with a

3127
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:11,199
meeting maybe the next board meeting or

3128
01:58:11,199 --> 01:58:13,119
the study session to go over it

3129
01:58:13,119 --> 01:58:15,030
>> because we've talked you know has some

3130
01:58:15,030 --> 01:58:15,040
» because we've talked you know has some

3131
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:17,040
ideas I'm against some of our ideas but

3132
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:18,880
I like some of our ideas you can

3133
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:21,679
summarize it with Scott and see if it's

3134
01:58:21,679 --> 01:58:24,400
reasonable how about with Scott okay

3135
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:25,840
that's even better

3136
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:28,310
>> again mr president we have to make sure

3137
01:58:28,310 --> 01:58:28,320
» again mr president we have to make sure

3138
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:30,320
we don't violate the Brown Act so if

3139
01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:32,159
we're all giving our ideas to you and

3140
01:58:32,159 --> 01:58:34,320
your assembly ing it. That's that would

3141
01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:36,470
>> just from our discussion tonight. Just

3142
01:58:36,470 --> 01:58:36,480
» just from our discussion tonight. Just

3143
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:38,239
from our discussion tonight,

3144
01:58:38,239 --> 01:58:39,430
>> he can take those ideas.

3145
01:58:39,430 --> 01:58:39,440
» he can take those ideas.

3146
01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:41,350
>> Yeah, that's okay.

3147
01:58:41,350 --> 01:58:41,360
» Yeah, that's okay.

3148
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:42,390
>> Absolutely. That's what we're going to

3149
01:58:42,390 --> 01:58:42,400
» Absolutely. That's what we're going to

3150
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:43,280
do.

3151
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:44,790
>> That all right, Mr. General?

3152
01:58:44,790 --> 01:58:44,800
» That all right, Mr. General?

3153
01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:47,669
>> Absolutely. Yeah. So it sounds like we

3154
01:58:47,669 --> 01:58:47,679
» Absolutely. Yeah. So it sounds like we

3155
01:58:47,679 --> 01:58:50,960
have majority support for more clearly

3156
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:54,320
defining district hosted events

3157
01:58:54,320 --> 01:58:56,800
leadership of sta staff leadership or

3158
01:58:56,800 --> 01:58:58,719
department heads and then I would want

3159
01:58:58,719 --> 01:59:01,520
to know under what

3160
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:05,840
rule was a city council member meeting

3161
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:10,800
approved previously. Um and then yeah, I

3162
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:13,840
think even going through city of Costa

3163
01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:15,520
Mesa meetings and then deciding what

3164
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:21,830
what commission meetings, yes or no. Um

3165
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:24,560
surprisingly there is overlap sometimes

3166
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:26,560
and it's fascinating and I think it does

3167
01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:28,480
make us better board members. We're

3168
01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:30,080
we're collaborating but other times I

3169
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:32,719
agree it feels kind of like uh I could

3170
01:59:32,719 --> 01:59:34,000
have been doing something more

3171
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:36,239
productive for us. I don't think we

3172
01:59:36,239 --> 01:59:38,480
agreed on meeting with the staff. I

3173
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:40,480
think we meet with the general manager.

3174
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:43,430
>> Well, from my memory, if if if we

3175
01:59:43,430 --> 01:59:43,440
» Well, from my memory, if if if we

3176
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:46,560
elected official discuss um if if if

3177
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:47,840
you're going to have a meeting with with

3178
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:49,360
a department head,

3179
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:51,030
>> I think it needs to go through Scott

3180
01:59:51,030 --> 01:59:51,040
» I think it needs to go through Scott

3181
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:53,119
first. He needs to be aware.

3182
01:59:53,119 --> 01:59:53,430
>> Okay.

3183
01:59:53,430 --> 01:59:53,440
» Okay.

3184
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:55,510
>> Rather than us just going because the

3185
01:59:55,510 --> 01:59:55,520
» Rather than us just going because the

3186
01:59:55,520 --> 01:59:57,760
staff person might be intimidated. take

3187
01:59:57,760 --> 01:59:58,239
that.

3188
01:59:58,239 --> 02:00:00,709
>> So if it if it's part of that meeting

3189
02:00:00,709 --> 02:00:00,719
» So if it if it's part of that meeting

3190
02:00:00,719 --> 02:00:01,920
with the general with a

3191
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:04,470
>> meeting with Scott or approved by Scott,

3192
02:00:04,470 --> 02:00:04,480
» meeting with Scott or approved by Scott,

3193
02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:06,709
>> you need to be aware of it before we

3194
02:00:06,709 --> 02:00:06,719
» you need to be aware of it before we

3195
02:00:06,719 --> 02:00:07,440
even do it.

3196
02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:09,109
>> And meeting with other elected officials

3197
02:00:09,109 --> 02:00:09,119
» And meeting with other elected officials

3198
02:00:09,119 --> 02:00:10,960
should be based on the business of the

3199
02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:13,520
sanitary district, you know, not not

3200
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:14,480
personal business.

3201
02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:16,310
>> Yes,

3202
02:00:16,310 --> 02:00:16,320
» Yes,

3203
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:18,080
it still would need to be directly

3204
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:20,239
related to the directly involving the

3205
02:00:20,239 --> 02:00:22,159
district.

3206
02:00:22,159 --> 02:00:23,599
You want to let me know when we can sit

3207
02:00:23,599 --> 02:00:25,679
down then with that

3208
02:00:25,679 --> 02:00:28,229
>> then come back this week.

3209
02:00:28,229 --> 02:00:28,239
» then come back this week.

3210
02:00:28,239 --> 02:00:30,149
>> Are you gonna take public comments too?

3211
02:00:30,149 --> 02:00:30,159
» Are you gonna take public comments too?

3212
02:00:30,159 --> 02:00:31,430
>> Oh yeah. You going to be taking public

3213
02:00:31,430 --> 02:00:31,440
» Oh yeah. You going to be taking public

3214
02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:32,639
comments on this item?

3215
02:00:32,639 --> 02:00:33,350
>> I'm getting there.

3216
02:00:33,350 --> 02:00:33,360
» I'm getting there.

3217
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:34,470
>> Okay.

3218
02:00:34,470 --> 02:00:34,480
» Okay.

3219
02:00:34,480 --> 02:00:37,589
>> Is there a list of approved conferences

3220
02:00:37,589 --> 02:00:37,599
» Is there a list of approved conferences

3221
02:00:37,599 --> 02:00:38,880
as well?

3222
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:41,669
>> Um rather than the conferences, we

3223
02:00:41,669 --> 02:00:41,679
» Um rather than the conferences, we

3224
02:00:41,679 --> 02:00:43,760
generally go by the governing body who's

3225
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:44,960
doing the conference.

3226
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:47,589
>> Okay. For example, the CSDA conference

3227
02:00:47,589 --> 02:00:47,599
» Okay. For example, the CSDA conference

3228
02:00:47,599 --> 02:00:50,159
we're comp well we're compensated for

3229
02:00:50,159 --> 02:00:53,280
but that's through CSDA the

3230
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:56,229
>> the swana forum is through the solid

3231
02:00:56,229 --> 02:00:56,239
» the swana forum is through the solid

3232
02:00:56,239 --> 02:00:57,599
waste association.

3233
02:00:57,599 --> 02:00:58,870
>> Yeah. Yes. And those conference are

3234
02:00:58,870 --> 02:00:58,880
» Yeah. Yes. And those conference are

3235
02:00:58,880 --> 02:01:01,199
usually in the budget. So that's a good

3236
02:01:01,199 --> 02:01:02,960
idea what are eligible. Now is there

3237
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:06,080
another conference like another CASSA uh

3238
02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:08,480
California sanitation CASA California

3239
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:10,960
agency sanitation first wastewater.

3240
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:12,960
Anyways we used to be a member of that.

3241
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:14,560
uh no longer a member but if you do want

3242
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:16,080
to go to that conference and it's not

3243
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:18,800
budgeted you just let us know and we can

3244
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:20,400
you know try to find the money but

3245
02:01:20,400 --> 02:01:21,920
that's another example it's it's

3246
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:23,679
eligible for because it is related to

3247
02:01:23,679 --> 02:01:27,119
wastewater right so that's eligible um

3248
02:01:27,119 --> 02:01:29,920
uh I think even uh I think the board's

3249
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:31,920
gotten compensation for Waco water

3250
02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:33,040
advisory committee so if you wanted to

3251
02:01:33,040 --> 02:01:35,119
go to aqua which is I'm sure that's

3252
02:01:35,119 --> 02:01:36,800
eligible too so some of those question

3253
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:38,480
but those are typically aren't budgeted

3254
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:40,159
so if that's one you want to request

3255
02:01:40,159 --> 02:01:44,719
then I I believe the board uh would uh

3256
02:01:44,719 --> 02:01:45,360
possibly

3257
02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:47,350
>> I could look at this list pretty much

3258
02:01:47,350 --> 02:01:47,360
» I could look at this list pretty much

3259
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:50,000
and then see events that they do. Okay,

3260
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:50,480
cool.

3261
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:52,070
>> I'm looking I can give you a list of the

3262
02:01:52,070 --> 02:01:52,080
» I'm looking I can give you a list of the

3263
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:53,599
budget items that the conferences that

3264
02:01:53,599 --> 02:01:55,119
are approved in the budget for the board

3265
02:01:55,119 --> 02:01:56,480
members are going to and there's any

3266
02:01:56,480 --> 02:01:57,599
there's the conference in there that you

3267
02:01:57,599 --> 02:01:59,040
don't see, let us know. You see what

3268
02:01:59,040 --> 02:01:59,679
looking for?

3269
02:01:59,679 --> 02:02:01,189
>> Yeah, that'd be cool.

3270
02:02:01,189 --> 02:02:01,199
» Yeah, that'd be cool.

3271
02:02:01,199 --> 02:02:02,629
>> All right, there's no other comments.

3272
02:02:02,629 --> 02:02:02,639
» All right, there's no other comments.

3273
02:02:02,639 --> 02:02:04,639
We'll go to public comments. Oh, I'm

3274
02:02:04,639 --> 02:02:06,639
sorry, Bob. Go ahead. I'd like to see a

3275
02:02:06,639 --> 02:02:11,280
list actually of each um when when when

3276
02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:12,800
um

3277
02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:14,880
Chairman Mike and the general manager

3278
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:17,840
meet. I'd like to see a list of

3279
02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:21,599
everything that has been discussed

3280
02:02:21,599 --> 02:02:24,950
tonight

3281
02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:27,520
including director rights

3282
02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:29,750
>> things like ecoexo the things we've

3283
02:02:29,750 --> 02:02:29,760
» things like ecoexo the things we've

3284
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:32,000
talked about. Yes. We can disseminate

3285
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:34,159
that as

3286
02:02:34,159 --> 02:02:37,510
>> and maybe just a better definition of

3287
02:02:37,510 --> 02:02:37,520
» and maybe just a better definition of

3288
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:39,520
well I think we're headed towards

3289
02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:43,840
needing a better definition of director

3290
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:46,960
said um

3291
02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:49,360
of

3292
02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:51,280
better definition of each of these first

3293
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:55,750
31 meetings

3294
02:02:55,760 --> 02:02:58,719
would be helpful

3295
02:02:58,719 --> 02:03:00,719
Mike I'm sure you can do that

3296
02:03:00,719 --> 02:03:03,830
>> sure I can

3297
02:03:03,830 --> 02:03:03,840
» sure I can

3298
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:06,880
Um, okay. Public comments before I go

3299
02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:10,000
here. There was a request from Rosemary

3300
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:12,800
and I don't see her in the room. Okay.

3301
02:03:12,800 --> 02:03:15,679
So, she's not online. We know. Is

3302
02:03:15,679 --> 02:03:18,560
Rosemary online? Okay. Then I will give

3303
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:21,119
her Go ahead.

3304
02:03:21,119 --> 02:03:24,390
>> Hello, Martin. Uh, 59year resident of

3305
02:03:24,390 --> 02:03:24,400
» Hello, Martin. Uh, 59year resident of

3306
02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:28,080
Costa Mesa. This discussion boggles my

3307
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:29,840
mind.

3308
02:03:29,840 --> 02:03:33,679
I have served for almost four decades as

3309
02:03:33,679 --> 02:03:37,840
a an educator from the elementary to the

3310
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:40,639
secondary to the undergraduate and to

3311
02:03:40,639 --> 02:03:43,440
the graduate level. I attended

3312
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:48,480
conferences on my own dime. I was a a

3313
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:52,560
member of the union board, Garden Grove

3314
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:55,360
Education Association. I attended

3315
02:03:55,360 --> 02:04:01,360
meetings and conferences on my own dime.

3316
02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:05,119
I took field trips with my students on

3317
02:04:05,119 --> 02:04:08,639
my own dime. I spent weekends at

3318
02:04:08,639 --> 02:04:12,719
language immersion camps on my own dime.

3319
02:04:12,719 --> 02:04:17,280
I never once received a penny for any

3320
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:21,040
extra duty events. I just contacted a

3321
02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:23,280
city council member

3322
02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:27,119
and I learned that city council members

3323
02:04:27,119 --> 02:04:29,706
do not get reimbursed

3324
02:04:29,706 --> 02:04:30,239
[clears throat]

3325
02:04:30,239 --> 02:04:34,800
for being a liaison. For example, I have

3326
02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:36,719
served for 10 years on the active

3327
02:04:36,719 --> 02:04:39,119
transportation committee. I was

3328
02:04:39,119 --> 02:04:42,159
appointed by Katrina Foley

3329
02:04:42,159 --> 02:04:44,880
and uh usually we have one to two

3330
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:48,080
council persons as liaison to that

3331
02:04:48,080 --> 02:04:52,080
committee. We meet once a month. Uh over

3332
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:54,239
the 10 years that I've been on that

3333
02:04:54,239 --> 02:04:57,199
committee, we I have seen lots and lots

3334
02:04:57,199 --> 02:04:59,679
of different council members. They do

3335
02:04:59,679 --> 02:05:03,119
not receive reimbursement for their

3336
02:05:03,119 --> 02:05:05,760
meetings. They do not receive

3337
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:08,560
reimbursement for meetings which they

3338
02:05:08,560 --> 02:05:13,360
attend other than council meetings or if

3339
02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:16,320
they're on a board of the transportation

3340
02:05:16,320 --> 02:05:19,920
authority, for example, the TCA. Only if

3341
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:23,520
they're on the board do they receive

3342
02:05:23,520 --> 02:05:26,639
compensation. If they simply attend the

3343
02:05:26,639 --> 02:05:30,719
meeting, they do not receive a dime.

3344
02:05:30,719 --> 02:05:36,470
Thank you.

3345
02:05:36,480 --> 02:05:41,430
Uh, Sue Lester,

3346
02:05:41,440 --> 02:05:43,199
» thank you for the opportunity to speak.

3347
02:05:43,199 --> 02:05:45,199
Um, somebody texted me and said they're

3348
02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:47,520
watching on YouTube and it's really hard

3349
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:49,440
to hear Director Uten and some of the

3350
02:05:49,440 --> 02:05:50,480
other directors when they're not

3351
02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:52,560
speaking into the microphone. So, if you

3352
02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:56,159
speak softly, lean forward. Um,

3353
02:05:56,159 --> 02:05:57,920
there's a lot to unpack here. Director

3354
02:05:57,920 --> 02:06:01,280
Uten, thank you for stating that a lot

3355
02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:03,520
of my question that I had as it related

3356
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:05,520
to this statement where general manager

3357
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:08,400
meetings don't qualify, that is exactly

3358
02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:10,880
where my statements came from because as

3359
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:14,159
a member of the public reading that

3360
02:06:14,159 --> 02:06:16,880
it made me question all that stuff. So

3361
02:06:16,880 --> 02:06:18,800
that is exactly where it came from.

3362
02:06:18,800 --> 02:06:21,040
There was no malicious intent and I was

3363
02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:24,800
not accusing anybody of anything. I was

3364
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:28,560
trying to understand and I still am. Um,

3365
02:06:28,560 --> 02:06:31,360
as far as

3366
02:06:31,360 --> 02:06:34,800
adversarial, I think if a board member

3367
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:36,239
thinks that a member of the public

3368
02:06:36,239 --> 02:06:38,239
questioning the board's action is

3369
02:06:38,239 --> 02:06:41,119
adversarial, we have way bigger problems

3370
02:06:41,119 --> 02:06:43,440
than anything that could ever appear on

3371
02:06:43,440 --> 02:06:46,159
your agendas.

3372
02:06:46,159 --> 02:06:48,239
Um, as far as the reporting goes and

3373
02:06:48,239 --> 02:06:49,920
being specific with meetings, I think

3374
02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:53,040
you need to. It's called accountability.

3375
02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:56,480
You guys are elected or appointed to do

3376
02:06:56,480 --> 02:06:59,679
the public's business in public. And

3377
02:06:59,679 --> 02:07:03,119
when you attend meetings for ISDO or a

3378
02:07:03,119 --> 02:07:04,639
city council meeting or something like

3379
02:07:04,639 --> 02:07:07,679
that, that is a publicly noticed

3380
02:07:07,679 --> 02:07:09,840
meeting. Anybody else in the public

3381
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:13,520
could go to that meeting as well and

3382
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:15,760
hear what's going on and know exactly

3383
02:07:15,760 --> 02:07:17,679
what you're hearing if you're getting

3384
02:07:17,679 --> 02:07:20,880
paid to attend that meeting. I think if

3385
02:07:20,880 --> 02:07:24,239
the meeting is is available in person,

3386
02:07:24,239 --> 02:07:26,239
you should have to get off the couch and

3387
02:07:26,239 --> 02:07:28,880
drive there. You guys aren't able to

3388
02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:31,199
attend your meeting virtually unless

3389
02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:34,079
you're traveling or somebody's ill. And

3390
02:07:34,079 --> 02:07:36,000
there's rules on how many of your own

3391
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:39,599
meetings um or how your own meetings

3392
02:07:39,599 --> 02:07:42,400
could be um attended virtually. So why

3393
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:45,119
should anyone else's be different? I

3394
02:07:45,119 --> 02:07:47,280
will say in the last five years of

3395
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:49,760
expense sheets I looked at, director

3396
02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:52,639
Perry only met with the general manager

3397
02:07:52,639 --> 02:07:55,119
seven times and it was easy to know

3398
02:07:55,119 --> 02:07:57,440
exactly why he met with him because he

3399
02:07:57,440 --> 02:08:00,000
included an attachment that explained

3400
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:01,920
everything that he did and everything

3401
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:04,639
that he saw and everything that he said.

3402
02:08:04,639 --> 02:08:07,199
And you three gentlemen also used to

3403
02:08:07,199 --> 02:08:09,760
attach things that explained this is not

3404
02:08:09,760 --> 02:08:12,320
a paid meeting and why this is a paid

3405
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:14,960
meeting. this is why I went that the imp

3406
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:18,159
the public isn't entitled to that as far

3407
02:08:18,159 --> 02:08:20,320
as meeting with staff, meeting with new

3408
02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:23,199
employees.

3409
02:08:23,199 --> 02:08:25,920
It's micromanaging.

3410
02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:29,119
His job is to manage the employees. You

3411
02:08:29,119 --> 02:08:33,119
guys should go directly to him and a

3412
02:08:33,119 --> 02:08:36,239
determination should be made whether um

3413
02:08:36,239 --> 02:08:38,639
a a meeting about something is

3414
02:08:38,639 --> 02:08:41,199
beneficial. They have other duties that

3415
02:08:41,199 --> 02:08:43,760
they have to perform on a daily basis

3416
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:45,840
and can't be stopping what they're doing

3417
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:48,480
every five seconds to arbitrarily have a

3418
02:08:48,480 --> 02:08:49,840
meeting with somebody who wants to

3419
02:08:49,840 --> 02:08:52,400
educate themselves. Now, I'm not saying

3420
02:08:52,400 --> 02:08:53,920
that meetings with the general manager

3421
02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:55,760
aren't valid, but I don't think it

3422
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:57,760
should just be every time you you meet

3423
02:08:57,760 --> 02:09:00,239
with a general manager, you get paid

3424
02:09:00,239 --> 02:09:02,159
without saying something like you have

3425
02:09:02,159 --> 02:09:04,800
been doing. That's a private meeting.

3426
02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:07,199
You are doing the public's business. It

3427
02:09:07,199 --> 02:09:09,119
should be public. It shouldn't be

3428
02:09:09,119 --> 02:09:11,440
private. It shouldn't be one-on-one. If

3429
02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:14,239
board members want to attend, meet with

3430
02:09:14,239 --> 02:09:17,840
city council, meet with sand district

3431
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:20,400
individuals one on- one. That's called

3432
02:09:20,400 --> 02:09:22,719
initiative to educate yourself and

3433
02:09:22,719 --> 02:09:24,960
become a better board member. The city

3434
02:09:24,960 --> 02:09:26,560
should the the residents and the

3435
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:28,639
rateayers should not have to fund that.

3436
02:09:28,639 --> 02:09:30,719
And I don't agree with it. Quote,

3437
02:09:30,719 --> 02:09:34,480
one-on-one setting is a private meeting.

3438
02:09:34,480 --> 02:09:36,639
the public does not have the ability to

3439
02:09:36,639 --> 02:09:38,960
know what those discussions are. Of

3440
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:42,079
course, there's going to be um

3441
02:09:42,079 --> 02:09:45,199
exceptions meeting with council. There's

3442
02:09:45,199 --> 02:09:47,119
a bomb threat. There's certain things

3443
02:09:47,119 --> 02:09:49,040
that you guys have to meet on where the

3444
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:51,280
public is not privy.

3445
02:09:51,280 --> 02:09:53,040
Totally understand that. I think that

3446
02:09:53,040 --> 02:09:55,599
you should include a list of those

3447
02:09:55,599 --> 02:09:59,520
things as well. Um more detail with city

3448
02:09:59,520 --> 02:10:01,040
meetings, county meetings, like you

3449
02:10:01,040 --> 02:10:03,920
said, I think is a great idea. I think

3450
02:10:03,920 --> 02:10:07,599
events not so much. You're getting paid

3451
02:10:07,599 --> 02:10:11,840
reimbursed for public meetings. Not for

3452
02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:15,360
showing up 15 minutes at a sanitary

3453
02:10:15,360 --> 02:10:18,079
district sponsored event, shaking a few

3454
02:10:18,079 --> 02:10:21,119
hands, kissing a baby and leaving.

3455
02:10:21,119 --> 02:10:23,360
Many of the people of the board attend

3456
02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:25,199
all the meeting or attend all the

3457
02:10:25,199 --> 02:10:27,599
events. They get there at the beginning

3458
02:10:27,599 --> 02:10:30,000
and they stay till the end.

3459
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:32,159
I don't think events should be included,

3460
02:10:32,159 --> 02:10:34,480
but if you do include them, there should

3461
02:10:34,480 --> 02:10:37,119
be some stipulation on the duration of

3462
02:10:37,119 --> 02:10:38,960
time that you're there. And if you're

3463
02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:41,520
there at the event, you need to be there

3464
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:45,119
with 100% of your focus on the event,

3465
02:10:45,119 --> 02:10:46,639
the people working it, and the people

3466
02:10:46,639 --> 02:10:48,480
attending it. You shouldn't bring your

3467
02:10:48,480 --> 02:10:50,000
family members and being eating

3468
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:51,760
sandwiches in the parking lot and think

3469
02:10:51,760 --> 02:10:54,159
that you get paid for that. That is not

3470
02:10:54,159 --> 02:10:56,079
fair to the public, and I think it's

3471
02:10:56,079 --> 02:10:59,599
inappropriate. Um, events in general,

3472
02:10:59,599 --> 02:11:01,760
again, I don't think they qualify as

3473
02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:04,639
meetings and they shouldn't be uh

3474
02:11:04,639 --> 02:11:05,520
included.

3475
02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:06,950
>> You have one minute.

3476
02:11:06,950 --> 02:11:06,960
» You have one minute.

3477
02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:09,830
>> And

3478
02:11:09,830 --> 02:11:09,840
» And

3479
02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:12,239
um, as far as, you know, meeting

3480
02:11:12,239 --> 02:11:13,679
reports, like [clears throat] I said,

3481
02:11:13,679 --> 02:11:16,000
it's called accountability.

3482
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:17,679
If

3483
02:11:17,679 --> 02:11:19,760
you say that you need to go to a meeting

3484
02:11:19,760 --> 02:11:22,239
and you guys all prove that yes, that's

3485
02:11:22,239 --> 02:11:25,840
a reasonable meeting to attend,

3486
02:11:25,840 --> 02:11:28,159
the majority of the people on your board

3487
02:11:28,159 --> 02:11:30,000
every week say what meeting you

3488
02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:31,920
attended, what you learned there, how it

3489
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:34,480
affects the district. The ones that

3490
02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:36,719
don't or the ones that are outside of

3491
02:11:36,719 --> 02:11:39,760
the district and his director Perry's

3492
02:11:39,760 --> 02:11:41,760
are better than anybody's I've ever

3493
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:45,360
seen. He's extremely detailed and he's

3494
02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:47,040
always done it that way and just the

3495
02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:49,040
last few years they aren't attached for

3496
02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:50,880
people to see. It's all kind of dropped

3497
02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:54,000
off. So your new format I think is

3498
02:11:54,000 --> 02:11:56,560
beneficial to not only all of you but

3499
02:11:56,560 --> 02:11:58,719
also to the public. So they are

3500
02:11:58,719 --> 02:12:02,320
absolutely clear on the business that

3501
02:12:02,320 --> 02:12:04,560
you are doing on their behalf and they

3502
02:12:04,560 --> 02:12:07,040
have the opportunity to hear what that

3503
02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:09,280
is, see what that is and know what that

3504
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:11,280
is and not pay for a private meeting

3505
02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:12,960
with somebody meeting with a council

3506
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:15,360
person talking about god knows what.

3507
02:12:15,360 --> 02:12:17,040
That

3508
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:18,480
is private. Hi Miss Lester.

3509
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:33,270
>> Thank you you uh Cindy.

3510
02:12:33,280 --> 02:12:35,440
Good evening. I'm still Cindy Brenamman.

3511
02:12:35,440 --> 02:12:38,960
I'm still awake, which is amazing. Um, I

3512
02:12:38,960 --> 02:12:41,280
agree with everything that Miss Lester

3513
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:44,159
said and I want to thank Flo for being

3514
02:12:44,159 --> 02:12:45,679
here and for saying what she said and

3515
02:12:45,679 --> 02:12:48,079
for all of her service for um to our

3516
02:12:48,079 --> 02:12:49,280
community because she's been around

3517
02:12:49,280 --> 02:12:51,920
forever. and she reminded me that I have

3518
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:55,920
also donated probably over 10,000 hours

3519
02:12:55,920 --> 02:12:58,239
that I can document to the city of Costa

3520
02:12:58,239 --> 02:13:02,000
Mesa and um never asked for anything in

3521
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:04,079
return. I also remembered something else

3522
02:13:04,079 --> 02:13:06,000
that I thought was interesting. It's the

3523
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:07,920
reason that I got interested in water

3524
02:13:07,920 --> 02:13:11,280
and sanitation in 2002. I went through a

3525
02:13:11,280 --> 02:13:13,520
program called Leadership Tomorrow and

3526
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:15,920
Chief Le Point was actually in my class

3527
02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:18,320
and we went on um and I paid for that

3528
02:13:18,320 --> 02:13:20,159
myself. I was working full-time at the

3529
02:13:20,159 --> 02:13:22,159
time for a nonprofit. They couldn't

3530
02:13:22,159 --> 02:13:23,599
afford to put me through the program.

3531
02:13:23,599 --> 02:13:25,599
They said they would work with me on PTO

3532
02:13:25,599 --> 02:13:27,599
and taking the time off that I needed.

3533
02:13:27,599 --> 02:13:29,040
So, I was able to go through the program

3534
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:31,040
and worked out a nice deal. It was

3535
02:13:31,040 --> 02:13:33,280
fascinating. I have never turned on a

3536
02:13:33,280 --> 02:13:35,360
faucet without thinking about that

3537
02:13:35,360 --> 02:13:38,320
class. I have never thrown anything away

3538
02:13:38,320 --> 02:13:40,239
without thinking about that class and

3539
02:13:40,239 --> 02:13:42,800
what I learned about sanitation and what

3540
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:46,000
I learned about water. And um I think

3541
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:47,520
it's really really important and there's

3542
02:13:47,520 --> 02:13:50,320
ways that we can educate ourselves that

3543
02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:52,880
the rateayers and the district doesn't

3544
02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:57,119
have to pay for. Um I also want to uh

3545
02:13:57,119 --> 02:13:59,520
encourage you to continue doing the

3546
02:13:59,520 --> 02:14:01,119
documentation and the reporting out

3547
02:14:01,119 --> 02:14:03,520
because I was sad to see that kind of go

3548
02:14:03,520 --> 02:14:05,599
away and drop off. I enjoyed listening

3549
02:14:05,599 --> 02:14:07,599
to you guys report about the places that

3550
02:14:07,599 --> 02:14:09,040
you had been, the meetings you had gone

3551
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:11,040
to, what you learned, and how it

3552
02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:14,079
impacted the the district as a CAC

3553
02:14:14,079 --> 02:14:15,599
member. I'm not talking to you as a CAC

3554
02:14:15,599 --> 02:14:17,679
member right now, but I thought that was

3555
02:14:17,679 --> 02:14:19,119
very interesting. I'm sorry that went

3556
02:14:19,119 --> 02:14:20,960
away. And no matter what you do with

3557
02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:22,880
this tonight, again, I'm against it

3558
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:24,320
completely and agree with everything

3559
02:14:24,320 --> 02:14:26,880
that Sue said, but um no matter what you

3560
02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:28,560
do, I think that you should continue

3561
02:14:28,560 --> 02:14:31,840
reporting and um I like the new system.

3562
02:14:31,840 --> 02:14:33,840
I like the new reporting system. So,

3563
02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:37,430
thank you.

3564
02:14:37,440 --> 02:14:39,679
» Okay.

3565
02:14:39,679 --> 02:14:42,320
Um

3566
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:45,520
the action is to add the things that

3567
02:14:45,520 --> 02:14:49,040
Allan has already proposed.

3568
02:14:49,040 --> 02:14:52,239
Um the other act, we don't need a board

3569
02:14:52,239 --> 02:14:54,639
action to have that discussion about the

3570
02:14:54,639 --> 02:14:56,800
other items that have come up. Simply

3571
02:14:56,800 --> 02:14:59,119
tonight, we're going to take action on

3572
02:14:59,119 --> 02:15:01,760
what council has recommended.

3573
02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:05,270
Right,

3574
02:15:05,280 --> 02:15:06,800
» Mr. President? I think we'll bring

3575
02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:08,800
something back to you and that won't you

3576
02:15:08,800 --> 02:15:10,960
may want to fine-tune it further. We're

3577
02:15:10,960 --> 02:15:12,320
going to bring another draft back to you

3578
02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:12,880
of an ordinance.

3579
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:16,229
>> You want us to just give us direction to

3580
02:15:16,229 --> 02:15:16,239
» You want us to just give us direction to

3581
02:15:16,239 --> 02:15:18,719
bring that back to us with with these

3582
02:15:18,719 --> 02:15:20,800
suggestions and other things that we

3583
02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:21,599
talked about?

3584
02:15:21,599 --> 02:15:22,550
>> Yes.

3585
02:15:22,550 --> 02:15:22,560
» Yes.

3586
02:15:22,560 --> 02:15:24,629
>> Sorry everybody.

3587
02:15:24,629 --> 02:15:24,639
» Sorry everybody.

3588
02:15:24,639 --> 02:15:26,950
>> Oh, you okay with that?

3589
02:15:26,950 --> 02:15:26,960
» Oh, you okay with that?

3590
02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:31,270
>> Is that a Yankee cap you're wearing?

3591
02:15:31,270 --> 02:15:31,280
» Is that a Yankee cap you're wearing?

3592
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:33,990
>> Okay, I won't go anywhere with that. All

3593
02:15:33,990 --> 02:15:34,000
» Okay, I won't go anywhere with that. All

3594
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:36,639
right. So, you have direction.

3595
02:15:36,639 --> 02:15:39,840
All right. Thank you. Um, where's my

3596
02:15:39,840 --> 02:15:44,000
agenda? We are now at

3597
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:46,960
local meetings. Speaking of which, uh,

3598
02:15:46,960 --> 02:15:50,400
Orange County Sanitation District, Bob,

3599
02:15:50,400 --> 02:15:54,069
>> um, you know, I mentioned that the

3600
02:15:54,069 --> 02:15:54,079
» um, you know, I mentioned that the

3601
02:15:54,079 --> 02:15:56,239
I mentioned earlier about the the

3602
02:15:56,239 --> 02:15:58,719
general manager's work.

3603
02:15:58,719 --> 02:16:01,199
Um, the other non-consent item

3604
02:16:01,199 --> 02:16:01,830
>> closer to the

3605
02:16:01,830 --> 02:16:01,840
» closer to the

3606
02:16:01,840 --> 02:16:05,990
>> Okay. The other non-consent item um is u

3607
02:16:05,990 --> 02:16:06,000
» Okay. The other non-consent item um is u

3608
02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:08,159
the same thing that the the senary

3609
02:16:08,159 --> 02:16:11,119
district needs to go through. That is

3610
02:16:11,119 --> 02:16:14,000
consideration of budget assumptions and

3611
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:17,360
budget calendar. And I'm I'm sure that's

3612
02:16:17,360 --> 02:16:21,840
on the general manager's uh periscope.

3613
02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:25,360
Uh the other non-conent items um I don't

3614
02:16:25,360 --> 02:16:29,920
think we need to be aware of.

3615
02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:30,629
>> Sorry.

3616
02:16:30,629 --> 02:16:30,639
» Sorry.

3617
02:16:30,639 --> 02:16:31,910
>> Okay.

3618
02:16:31,910 --> 02:16:31,920
» Okay.

3619
02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:34,160
meeting was last Wednesday.

3620
02:16:34,160 --> 02:16:36,240
I'll give you the highlights. James

3621
02:16:36,240 --> 02:16:37,760
Tyler from the Orange County Public

3622
02:16:37,760 --> 02:16:39,920
Works presented the updates to the Sana

3623
02:16:39,920 --> 02:16:42,240
River, the mainstream and the

3624
02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:44,240
Westminister project status with

3625
02:16:44,240 --> 02:16:46,160
discussion from he had a video

3626
02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:48,319
presentation.

3627
02:16:48,319 --> 02:16:50,960
A there are three new upgrades which are

3628
02:16:50,960 --> 02:16:53,359
almost finishing the lower Sana River at

3629
02:16:53,359 --> 02:16:56,000
El Prao. It's almost finished. They just

3630
02:16:56,000 --> 02:16:58,479
completed three of the last ones. The

3631
02:16:58,479 --> 02:17:01,760
spillway upgrade contract signed was

3632
02:17:01,760 --> 02:17:04,559
signed last year with ECI and the cost

3633
02:17:04,559 --> 02:17:07,200
of the new spillway is going to be 1.35

3634
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:09,439
billion.

3635
02:17:09,439 --> 02:17:11,040
Uh there are some delays with the

3636
02:17:11,040 --> 02:17:15,200
spillway to start. Um but the financing

3637
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:18,719
is there already and all the 112

3638
02:17:18,719 --> 02:17:21,040
projects that have been acquired behind

3639
02:17:21,040 --> 02:17:24,080
the dam to make this spillway higher

3640
02:17:24,080 --> 02:17:27,760
have been uh acquired which is good.

3641
02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:29,760
spillway will not be as big. If you go

3642
02:17:29,760 --> 02:17:31,439
down the 55 freeway, you'll see the

3643
02:17:31,439 --> 02:17:33,359
spillway. It's not going to be as large

3644
02:17:33,359 --> 02:17:35,679
as the current one. And they're going to

3645
02:17:35,679 --> 02:17:38,240
de demo the whole old spillway and

3646
02:17:38,240 --> 02:17:39,519
they're going to make the new spillway

3647
02:17:39,519 --> 02:17:41,519
instead of coming flat down, it's going

3648
02:17:41,519 --> 02:17:46,000
to be in tears, slow down the water.

3649
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:49,359
the Westminster project uh which when it

3650
02:17:49,359 --> 02:17:52,559
reaches one thing if a lot of people pay

3651
02:17:52,559 --> 02:17:55,679
for insurance for the the FEMA or for

3652
02:17:55,679 --> 02:17:58,479
the insurance companies for the uh that

3653
02:17:58,479 --> 02:18:00,000
live in Huntington Beach, Fountain

3654
02:18:00,000 --> 02:18:02,160
Valley, West Minister

3655
02:18:02,160 --> 02:18:04,880
when the Westminster project comes down

3656
02:18:04,880 --> 02:18:08,319
from the north and stops at the 405

3657
02:18:08,319 --> 02:18:10,479
freeway, all of those people will not

3658
02:18:10,479 --> 02:18:13,519
have to pay insurance coverage uh any

3659
02:18:13,519 --> 02:18:15,920
anymore. That's going to be a way. It's

3660
02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:19,359
a year away, but that's their goal. The

3661
02:18:19,359 --> 02:18:21,359
current costs of the insurance that

3662
02:18:21,359 --> 02:18:23,439
people play in the pay in those cities

3663
02:18:23,439 --> 02:18:26,880
are 4.75

3664
02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:30,070
756425

3665
02:18:30,080 --> 02:18:32,479
million right now. That's what they pay

3666
02:18:32,479 --> 02:18:34,559
for insurance. The city,

3667
02:18:34,559 --> 02:18:35,429
>> not individually.

3668
02:18:35,429 --> 02:18:35,439
» not individually.

3669
02:18:35,439 --> 02:18:37,349
>> No, no. Total all of the citizens that

3670
02:18:37,349 --> 02:18:37,359
» No, no. Total all of the citizens that

3671
02:18:37,359 --> 02:18:39,359
have to pay for the flood insurance,

3672
02:18:39,359 --> 02:18:41,920
that's the amount. So, it's pretty a

3673
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:44,240
lot. We post Mesa used to have to pay it

3674
02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:46,719
but we got out of that.

3675
02:18:46,719 --> 02:18:48,800
Uh and then the executive director Penny

3676
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:50,559
Lee who's new she this is her first

3677
02:18:50,559 --> 02:18:53,200
meeting she gave an update of all of her

3678
02:18:53,200 --> 02:18:54,719
meetings with the Orange County Public

3679
02:18:54,719 --> 02:18:56,800
Works and is working with the core of

3680
02:18:56,800 --> 02:19:00,080
engineers on the east garden project

3681
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:02,319
uh working with the county auditor for

3682
02:19:02,319 --> 02:19:05,519
our our audit from the SARA from the

3683
02:19:05,519 --> 02:19:08,559
2024 25 year is they're working

3684
02:19:08,559 --> 02:19:12,080
upgrading and upgrading our website. So

3685
02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:14,639
she's working on four projects. We meet

3686
02:19:14,639 --> 02:19:16,880
every other month except for one month

3687
02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:19,359
in the summer. So I was lucky that the

3688
02:19:19,359 --> 02:19:21,519
meeting was last week so I could give

3689
02:19:21,519 --> 02:19:24,719
this report to you. That that idea about

3690
02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:26,319
not having to pay for flood insurance

3691
02:19:26,319 --> 02:19:29,200
anymore has to be initiated by a

3692
02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:31,359
congressional representative

3693
02:19:31,359 --> 02:19:33,200
and in conjunction with the Army Corps

3694
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:34,880
of Engineers. That's what happened in

3695
02:19:34,880 --> 02:19:39,760
Costa Mesa is our uh congressman

3696
02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:41,359
after they did all the improvements with

3697
02:19:41,359 --> 02:19:44,880
the concrete in the sand that we in fact

3698
02:19:44,880 --> 02:19:48,800
I was part of that we petitioned to uh

3699
02:19:48,800 --> 02:19:51,760
him to do it and they saved us a lot of

3700
02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:52,160
money.

3701
02:19:52,160 --> 02:19:54,070
>> We've been out of that paint for like 20

3702
02:19:54,070 --> 02:19:54,080
» We've been out of that paint for like 20

3703
02:19:54,080 --> 02:19:55,840
years.

3704
02:19:55,840 --> 02:19:59,670
>> Um okay, number three is dock. Um, I was

3705
02:19:59,670 --> 02:19:59,680
» Um okay, number three is dock. Um, I was

3706
02:19:59,680 --> 02:20:03,040
not able to attend the ISDOC meeting

3707
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:06,000
because I was in Sacramento with SDRMA.

3708
02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:08,160
So, I have no report to give you at

3709
02:20:08,160 --> 02:20:11,359
ISDOC. I'm sure the topics that were

3710
02:20:11,359 --> 02:20:13,439
brought up were obviously the the death

3711
02:20:13,439 --> 02:20:17,280
of Director Mesmer and the lunchon this

3712
02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:21,439
Thursday, the quarterly lunchon for ISD

3713
02:20:21,439 --> 02:20:24,720
is this Thursday. And I believe Nolani

3714
02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:26,880
told me that you've signed up and I've

3715
02:20:26,880 --> 02:20:31,520
signed up. So, um,

3716
02:20:31,520 --> 02:20:33,439
CSDA,

3717
02:20:33,439 --> 02:20:35,920
I've noticed lately that, uh, Neil

3718
02:20:35,920 --> 02:20:37,439
McCormack, the director, has been

3719
02:20:37,439 --> 02:20:39,600
sending out a lot of email, more emails

3720
02:20:39,600 --> 02:20:42,800
on changes, number one to the Brown Act

3721
02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:45,120
and number two to legislative issues

3722
02:20:45,120 --> 02:20:47,359
that are coming through. So, I'm sure

3723
02:20:47,359 --> 02:20:48,960
we're going to see more with with the

3724
02:20:48,960 --> 02:20:51,520
legislative stuff. and he's been

3725
02:20:51,520 --> 02:20:55,200
reminding folks to sign up for uh

3726
02:20:55,200 --> 02:20:57,200
legislative days if you want to attend

3727
02:20:57,200 --> 02:21:00,479
legislative days in Sacramento which is

3728
02:21:00,479 --> 02:21:05,120
in March I believe it's early March

3729
02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:07,520
um

3730
02:21:07,520 --> 02:21:09,590
>> May

3731
02:21:09,590 --> 02:21:09,600
» May

3732
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:10,720
I'm not sure

3733
02:21:10,720 --> 02:21:13,670
>> it may be starts with an end so it could

3734
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:13,680
» it may be starts with an end so it could

3735
02:21:13,680 --> 02:21:16,080
be March

3736
02:21:16,080 --> 02:21:20,790
>> um SDRMA we had a board meeting And out

3737
02:21:20,790 --> 02:21:20,800
» um SDRMA we had a board meeting And out

3738
02:21:20,800 --> 02:21:23,680
of that board meeting, we officially

3739
02:21:23,680 --> 02:21:28,240
selected Debbie Yakakota as the new CEO

3740
02:21:28,240 --> 02:21:31,280
of SDRMA. Uh we've been working on a

3741
02:21:31,280 --> 02:21:33,840
contract and compensation and all those

3742
02:21:33,840 --> 02:21:35,760
things that are entailed with that, but

3743
02:21:35,760 --> 02:21:39,120
Debbie has officially been elected as

3744
02:21:39,120 --> 02:21:43,520
the uh CEO. We had board elections and

3745
02:21:43,520 --> 02:21:47,920
Robert Swan is the new president. Bob is

3746
02:21:47,920 --> 02:21:52,160
a director of a community services

3747
02:21:52,160 --> 02:21:56,710
district in

3748
02:21:56,720 --> 02:21:58,960
I can't remember Groveland. Groveland,

3749
02:21:58,960 --> 02:22:01,600
California. And I think in Groveland you

3750
02:22:01,600 --> 02:22:03,760
could spit and hit one side of town from

3751
02:22:03,760 --> 02:22:06,160
the other, but he's involved with the

3752
02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:08,080
the community services district up

3753
02:22:08,080 --> 02:22:11,200
there. Um our next boarding board

3754
02:22:11,200 --> 02:22:13,920
meeting is next week. So I will be in

3755
02:22:13,920 --> 02:22:16,319
Sacramento Tuesday through Thursday of

3756
02:22:16,319 --> 02:22:21,359
next week for that board meeting. Um

3757
02:22:21,359 --> 02:22:23,439
incidentally for that meeting for the

3758
02:22:23,439 --> 02:22:27,200
new directors SDRMA pays me a per DM. So

3759
02:22:27,200 --> 02:22:30,000
there is no cost. They also pay my cost

3760
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:33,120
for conferences that I attend on behalf

3761
02:22:33,120 --> 02:22:37,600
of SDMA. So there's no no crossover for

3762
02:22:37,600 --> 02:22:39,200
that.

3763
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:41,840
Uh, other meetings. Um, anybody want to

3764
02:22:41,840 --> 02:22:43,760
talk about Waco?

3765
02:22:43,760 --> 02:22:47,040
I attended Waco. Do you have a report?

3766
02:22:47,040 --> 02:22:49,590
>> I put that in my report. That's pretty.

3767
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:49,600
» I put that in my report. That's pretty.

3768
02:22:49,600 --> 02:22:52,550
>> Rob Thompson's report was

3769
02:22:52,550 --> 02:22:52,560
» Rob Thompson's report was

3770
02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:56,000
thorough to say the least.

3771
02:22:56,000 --> 02:22:58,720
Other meeting. Any other meetings? Okay,

3772
02:22:58,720 --> 02:23:01,840
seeing none, we'll go to uh no old

3773
02:23:01,840 --> 02:23:04,080
business or new business. Closing items

3774
02:23:04,080 --> 02:23:06,080
are oral communications and director

3775
02:23:06,080 --> 02:23:08,640
comments. Any directors have some

3776
02:23:08,640 --> 02:23:12,230
comments?

3777
02:23:12,240 --> 02:23:17,670
You want me to start? Um,

3778
02:23:17,680 --> 02:23:20,720
I think it's time as a district that we

3779
02:23:20,720 --> 02:23:23,600
look at some issues involving the

3780
02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:27,920
district. Um, as we move into increased

3781
02:23:27,920 --> 02:23:29,760
solid waste costs and some of those

3782
02:23:29,760 --> 02:23:34,880
other things, I think it's probably

3783
02:23:34,880 --> 02:23:36,800
conducive for us to look at some things

3784
02:23:36,800 --> 02:23:38,640
that we might want to start looking at

3785
02:23:38,640 --> 02:23:41,280
terms of cuts in the budget and programs

3786
02:23:41,280 --> 02:23:45,920
that we now do that um are costing the

3787
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:48,160
district some money that we might not

3788
02:23:48,160 --> 02:23:51,439
need to do.

3789
02:23:51,439 --> 02:23:53,760
There's a lot of examples of things that

3790
02:23:53,760 --> 02:24:00,479
that uh we probably should look at. Um

3791
02:24:00,479 --> 02:24:02,640
I think the survey how how often do we

3792
02:24:02,640 --> 02:24:05,280
do the survey every two years? We might

3793
02:24:05,280 --> 02:24:07,359
want to look at for example bump bumping

3794
02:24:07,359 --> 02:24:10,479
that out to every four years to save a

3795
02:24:10,479 --> 02:24:12,880
little bit of money. Um,

3796
02:24:12,880 --> 02:24:14,870
>> oh there there might be exceptions to

3797
02:24:14,870 --> 02:24:14,880
» oh there there might be exceptions to

3798
02:24:14,880 --> 02:24:18,000
that when something you know like the

3799
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:21,200
WDR or the wastage

3800
02:24:21,200 --> 02:24:23,750
>> the 1383 was a good example of when we

3801
02:24:23,750 --> 02:24:23,760
» the 1383 was a good example of when we

3802
02:24:23,760 --> 02:24:25,040
needed to do

3803
02:24:25,040 --> 02:24:27,429
>> I mean maybe it's some I think it I

3804
02:24:27,429 --> 02:24:27,439
» I mean maybe it's some I think it I

3805
02:24:27,439 --> 02:24:31,040
think it's appropriate to set it at four

3806
02:24:31,040 --> 02:24:35,040
years except for you know except with

3807
02:24:35,040 --> 02:24:37,840
board approval for a particular item

3808
02:24:37,840 --> 02:24:39,349
>> and and I think what I would encourage

3809
02:24:39,349 --> 02:24:39,359
» and and I think what I would encourage

3810
02:24:39,359 --> 02:24:42,240
each of us the five of us to do is to

3811
02:24:42,240 --> 02:24:44,960
get some information to Scott on what we

3812
02:24:44,960 --> 02:24:48,800
think are items we would want to discuss

3813
02:24:48,800 --> 02:24:50,710
>> or or

3814
02:24:50,710 --> 02:24:50,720
» or or

3815
02:24:50,720 --> 02:24:52,560
maybe the staff could give us some ideas

3816
02:24:52,560 --> 02:24:55,760
how we can cut our expenses

3817
02:24:55,760 --> 02:24:57,920
different you know you we you know more

3818
02:24:57,920 --> 02:25:00,160
about the internal costs maybe how we

3819
02:25:00,160 --> 02:25:01,600
can cut because we have a lot of things

3820
02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:04,080
popping up in the Elden station too you

3821
02:25:04,080 --> 02:25:07,280
know it's going to be a big hit

3822
02:25:07,280 --> 02:25:08,550
>> you know we're looking to be funded for

3823
02:25:08,550 --> 02:25:08,560
» you know we're looking to be funded for

3824
02:25:08,560 --> 02:25:10,319
that that's going to be a lot of

3825
02:25:10,319 --> 02:25:11,910
>> part of that thought process too. I

3826
02:25:11,910 --> 02:25:11,920
» part of that thought process too. I

3827
02:25:11,920 --> 02:25:14,880
think Scott was the denial by FEMA of of

3828
02:25:14,880 --> 02:25:17,200
your grant. You know, we're looking at

3829
02:25:17,200 --> 02:25:20,000
having to finance that stuff and we

3830
02:25:20,000 --> 02:25:21,920
we've been pretty active about not

3831
02:25:21,920 --> 02:25:25,280
financing projects. So, um we're going

3832
02:25:25,280 --> 02:25:27,200
to have to go into debt basically to

3833
02:25:27,200 --> 02:25:29,920
have the project completed. That's we

3834
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:31,439
have to look at our expenses that we're

3835
02:25:31,439 --> 02:25:34,800
paying for and having some cutbacks. I

3836
02:25:34,800 --> 02:25:37,439
think

3837
02:25:37,439 --> 02:25:39,750
>> I could include anything that that that

3838
02:25:39,750 --> 02:25:39,760
» I could include anything that that that

3839
02:25:39,760 --> 02:25:43,439
that we think, but I agree with Art that

3840
02:25:43,439 --> 02:25:45,439
some discussion or some feedback from

3841
02:25:45,439 --> 02:25:48,240
all of you would be a a good way to get

3842
02:25:48,240 --> 02:25:51,600
some conversations started. And I I'm

3843
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:52,880
not going to sit here and tell you we're

3844
02:25:52,880 --> 02:25:55,600
going to start chopping heads to save

3845
02:25:55,600 --> 02:25:57,760
money. That's not the idea. But I think

3846
02:25:57,760 --> 02:26:00,000
we've always been really good about

3847
02:26:00,000 --> 02:26:03,280
being fiscally responsible. And I think

3848
02:26:03,280 --> 02:26:06,000
it gives us an opportunity to to help

3849
02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:09,040
with future future programs and future

3850
02:26:09,040 --> 02:26:11,439
years with the district.

3851
02:26:11,439 --> 02:26:13,359
Plus, with the increased cost of the

3852
02:26:13,359 --> 02:26:15,439
trash falling to the dumps, it's going

3853
02:26:15,439 --> 02:26:17,520
to be significant, too. Over a 5year

3854
02:26:17,520 --> 02:26:19,920
period, it's going to be a lot.

3855
02:26:19,920 --> 02:26:21,520
So, it's our it's our duty as board

3856
02:26:21,520 --> 02:26:25,760
members to try to cut back if we can.

3857
02:26:25,760 --> 02:26:30,240
Okay. Anything else?

3858
02:26:30,240 --> 02:26:31,920
Nicole, anything other com closing

3859
02:26:31,920 --> 02:26:35,359
comments or anything? Okay, I'll forgive

3860
02:26:35,359 --> 02:26:38,800
you for the hat because it's pink.

3861
02:26:38,800 --> 02:26:40,950
>> Uh, when did you want Scott to get that

3862
02:26:40,950 --> 02:26:40,960
» Uh, when did you want Scott to get that

3863
02:26:40,960 --> 02:26:42,399
list for us to take a look at?

3864
02:26:42,399 --> 02:26:45,349
>> Let's just look at it over the next 60

3865
02:26:45,349 --> 02:26:45,359
» Let's just look at it over the next 60

3866
02:26:45,359 --> 02:26:48,080
days.

3867
02:26:48,080 --> 02:26:51,600
May tail a little bit of work.

3868
02:26:51,600 --> 02:26:53,110
>> Okay, if there's nothing else, we are

3869
02:26:53,110 --> 02:26:53,120
» Okay, if there's nothing else, we are

3870
02:26:53,120 --> 02:26:56,120
adjourned.