[0:16] All right, it's 930. We're going to call the community [0:19] service, protection and economical. Development standing committee to order. The [0:29] traditional acknowledgment, the town of Coberg respectfully acknowledges that we [0:34] are located in the traditional treaty territory of the Mississauga [0:39] and Chippewa nations. Collectively known as Williams Treaty's first nation, [0:43] including. Curve, Lake Hawatha, Alderville, Scoogog Island, Rama, Bozolay and [0:50] Georgina Islands First Nation the town of Coberg respectfully acknowledges [0:55] that the Williams trees First Nation have been Stewarts and [0:58] caretakers of these lands and waters and that today remain [1:03] vigilant. Over their. Health and integrity. For generations to come. [1:10] We are all treaty people. At this time, the introduction [1:14] of the denim items is 3.1. It is there on [1:20] the agenda. It's the notice of motion from the mayor. [1:25] At this time, we're going to. Confirm the agenda. Can [1:30] I have a mover? Councilor Bureau. Your worship. Any questions? [1:40] Or discussion on any items on that. Just so the [1:45] committee is aware that the clerk's department did add that [1:48] correspondence from Gail. Raymont. To the parking issue, so that's [1:54] excellent. I appreciate. Stop doing that. So if there's. No [1:57] discussion. All those in favor? Opposed of any it's carried. [2:03] At this point, are there any disclosure interest from members [2:07] of council. Okay seeing none. We are going to go [2:14] on to community announcements. Are there any announcements? From the [2:19] other members of the committee. No. I just have one [2:25] at this point. And. It's just to, at this time, [2:31] to thank the Highland games. Committee. Volunteers, organizers, everyone involved. [2:41] Obviously, that came out. For their many years in Coberg. [2:47] They've been a fixture in the community since 1963, and [2:52] I just want to acknowledge them. And wish them the [2:54] best luck in their move to port Hoke to a [2:56] larger area and success for many years. And that this [3:01] time. That. Staff sent along a note of thanks as [3:07] well. From the department and all of us at the [3:10] town of Cowork. Okay. Are there any other things? Okay, [3:15] we'll move on. To. There's no delegations, so at this [3:19] time we have an outside. Presentation. From the dbia. Can [3:28] I have a mover on that? And then Mr. Larmer [3:31] will read that. Your worship. Councilor Bureau. Mr. Larmer. I [3:38] guess you're going to be reading that out. I understand. [3:44] Yeah. Through your worship. So the dbi. Sorry? Through you, [3:47] Mr. Chair. The DBI. Has actually added. Just a correspondence [3:51] piece to this. So just to speak to there. They [3:53] couldn't be here. Today. Just. It didn't work with conflict, [3:57] so they just asked that I read it out, just. [3:58] For the standing committee that's okay to proceed. Okay, so [4:02] this is from Heath Herring, and he's the downtown business [4:06] improvement area board chair. And this is just in relation [4:10] to the letter they sent on recommendations on parking for [4:13] downtown Colbert. So I'm running behalf of the downtown business [4:16] approving area board of Management to express our appreciation for [4:19] the town Cobra's ongoing efforts in implementing a new parking [4:21] program while recognizing the strides made. Our members have raised [4:24] many concerns regarding the persistent challenges of downtown parking, which [4:27] we believe continue to act a significant. Barrier for both [4:30] downtown merchants and patrons. During a regular meeting on January [4:34] 11, 2024, the DBIA Board of Management passed a resolution [4:38] to provide a recommendation to cover council driven by our [4:41] mandate. To advocate for our members and promote the economic [4:45] fatality of downtown Colbert. As you're aware the downtown corps [4:48] plays a pivotal role as. A driver for community economic [4:51] development, and addressing the challenges associated with parking is crucial [4:54] to fostering a thriving business environment. Therefore. In an effort [4:58] to alleviate these concerns and enhance the overall downtown experience, [5:02] the DBA board of management wished to submit a written [5:06] delegation to covert council's committee at the February 7, 09:30 [5:11] a.m. Standing committee we proposed the following recommendations. One, introduce [5:16] a monthly or annual parking pass for downtown business. CIS [5:18] and employees. This measure will provide a cost effective convenience [5:22] solution for those who work and operate businesses in the [5:25] downtown area. Two introduce a 30 minutes grace period for [5:29] patrons running a quick errand or picking up. An order. [5:34] The grace period aims to accommodate short visits to promoting [5:36] a more flexible and customer friendly parking policy. Three implement [5:40] free parking after 04:00 p.m. From Monday to Saturday. And [5:43] free parking on Sundays. Free evening and weekend parking will [5:47] encourage increased patriarch during these periods, contributing to a vibrant [5:51] downtown atmosphere. We strongly recommend that council properly adopts these [5:56] recommendations, effective immediately, to convey a positive message of support [6:00] for the downtown corps by implementing these measures. We believe [6:03] the downtown Colbert demonstrate its commitment to fostering a thriving [6:06] business environment, enhancing the overall experience for both business and [6:09] patrons alike. We appreciate your attention to this matter and [6:12] ask that our recommendation. Be read aloud loud as a [6:15] delegation February 7. Thank you for your continued dedication to [6:18] economic fatality in the downtown culture. Sincerely, Keith Harring. Thank [6:22] you, Mr. Larmer. Are there any questions? Discussion from members [6:30] of the committee. Councilor. Darling, do you have anything? Okay. [6:37] Just the comments. It's my understanding. That from Mr. Larmer [6:43] that his department will be bringing back that overall. Parking. [6:48] Information as council asked in the past. So I think [6:51] this is going to be a part of it. And [6:53] I agree that. With. The I think it's very critically [6:59] important that. We make sure that we do things to [7:03] encourage people to shop in the downtown and make sure [7:05] that we have a vibrant downtown and business community. So [7:10] if there's no other discussion at this time. I'll call [7:14] the vote. All those in favor? You guys moved it [7:18] initially, which is the receiver for information purposes, because it's [7:22] going back. Okay. So, all those in favor? Opposed. If [7:31] any, it's carried. So this time we're going to be [7:35] moving on to the. Cassette agenda. Are there any items. [7:40] That anyone would like to remove from the consent agenda [7:45] or do we have any speakers to any of them, [7:47] Mr. Lemmer, okay? 9.2. Any other items you'd like to [7:56] remove? Just have further discussion. Okay. Sounds good. So at [8:04] this time. Just before we vote on that, I just [8:07] like to thank the staff for getting. Some of these [8:11] items onto the agenda and work. Particularly. Ron Bolt park [8:17] naming. I know the directors worked diligently to get that. [8:22] Once a request came forward and I think that's very [8:24] appropriate, so I just like to show them my appreciation [8:29] of getting that. Onto the agenda. Do any of the [8:32] directors want to speak to any of these items briefly? [8:36] Director Taylor Scott. Thank you, chair. Just briefly, I'll touch [8:44] on the economic Development Annual report that includes the venture [8:48] 13 activity as well. So I'm pleased to bring forward. [8:55] The second annual report from the. Economic Development Department. Mr. [9:00] Van Campin sends his regress this morning, but I'm happy. [9:03] Just to give a brief overview of this annual report. [9:06] The report itself is included as attachment one to the [9:10] staff report. There's no recommendation contained. In the report. It's [9:14] very much a good news story, and we respectfully request [9:17] that it be received. For information. I'll just make. A [9:22] few brief highlights and some key takeaways. This annual report [9:26] does build on the department. 's 2023. Economic development strategic [9:33] plan that was specific to all of the development activities [9:36] in that department, including venture 13. And the facility itself. [9:41] The report does contain a link back to the 2023 [9:45] staff report and the strategic plan itself. For anyone that [9:49] needs a refresher on what those five initiatives are. So [9:52] just briefly, the five pillars include downtown development. Business retention [9:58] and expansion. Investment readiness. Small business. Innovators and entrepreneurs. And [10:07] workforce development and youth engagement. So everything contained in the [10:11] annual report links back to those five strategic pillars and [10:15] demonstrates all of the work within the department, within active [10:19] and within venture. 13 how those offerings link back to [10:23] these five pillars. So. Whether that's development at Lucas Point [10:28] and facilitating investment readiness. Engaging the youth and workforce through [10:33] the programming, through STEM camps, and whether it's through business. [10:39] Retention and expansion. All the training offering the revenue growth [10:43] series, bringing in speakers from local industries and sharing their [10:47] good news stories with the development industry. So all of [10:51] this and more is contained. In the annual report, you'll [10:56] also see a number of key performance indicators that we [10:59] are currently tracking, and we will be reporting. On growth [11:05] and activity year over year based on those key performance [11:08] indicators, like how many deaths are used at venture 13. [11:13] There's currently 16 available and 15 currently occupied. So tracking [11:18] those measurables and reporting on those year over year, tracking [11:22] attendance and participation at events as well. And looking forward [11:27] to 2024. We'll continue with this strong foundation that Mr. [11:31] Van Campin and his team led last year and is [11:34] scaling up all of those activities. For example, just this [11:37] week. The 2024 March break stem camp. Registration opened, and [11:46] instead of one week, which was held last year and [11:48] which was a great success, we're looking to scale that [11:51] up to three weeks in 2024. Just a small example. [11:56] Of how we see the facility in the department growing. [11:59] And the report wraps up by tying this all back [12:02] to the town's broader strategic plan. So it really hits [12:04] home on the thriving town pillar and also the service [12:08] excellence. And I think. This report, in and of itself [12:12] is an example of service, excellence and telling the story [12:16] of all of our activity that happened in 2023. So [12:20] happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Any questions from [12:25] members of the committee? Just a comment. Okay, councilor bureau. [12:29] Thank you. Because I think that's so informative. Come next [12:33] budget time to understand the different statistics and to see [12:36] that the future moving and economic development. I think that's [12:40] great. So thank you for that. Yes. Thank you for [12:45] putting together that quick synopsis. And appreciate the updates and [12:54] the evolving reporting data back because obviously that's helpful for [12:58] council. In future budgets and where we see where you're [13:01] going. Does anyone want to speak to? The enforcement numbers [13:09] at all. Mr. Larmer. Mr. Lemmer. Will highlight it. Yes. [13:15] So thank you, Mr. Chair to members council. Just this [13:17] is again similar to the director of plane development. Our [13:20] manager, Miss Law enforcement, has created the second annual just [13:24] admissible. Law enforcement licensing services report. It's pretty similar information [13:30] from 2022. Just with the updated stats from 2023, you [13:33] see an increase in activity and compliance and complaints. I [13:37] think one of the ones I just really want to [13:39] highlight because I think it speaks for itself. Is the [13:43] administrative monetary penalty system stats. For 2023, which we started [13:50] about March or April. So we had a little bit [13:53] month delay last year. Just we were trying to onboard [13:56] it, so. Now we're entering our first full year of [13:59] that, so. This is just probably April, May, June, July. [14:04] So, like, nine months of the year here, approximately. So [14:09] just what we've diverted from the court systems and we [14:11] push through our system. So out of the 1667 amps, [14:16] tickets issued there is pre Poa part two. Tickets issued [14:20] this just reflects the amps for that year. It tells [14:24] you that there was 337 adjudications and screenings and hearings [14:28] conduct itself. So those represent what would have been put [14:31] through the court process through, adjust the piece. Through those [14:34] provincial offenses processes which are a lot more complicated, I [14:38] say, with administration proxies. And what our system is. I [14:42] believe that individuals are wishing to adjudicate. Their tickets. It's [14:47] happening within weeks and less than a month to actually [14:50] get in front of a hearing officer. Sorry, screening officer, [14:53] to review their tickets, and then not too long after [14:56] that. A similar time frame if they were to peel [15:00] it to the hearing officer itself. So just. Good numbers [15:04] as part of that. And we'll just update in the [15:09] previous, we'll just update the department updates. We'll kind of [15:11] give the stats on some of the misspalies are actually [15:13] looking towards. Us and our managers actually working with them [15:15] to create a similar approach. What we've do doing here [15:18] as well, too. And just lastly, I think it's just [15:20] important to note that the great thing about this report, [15:23] and I thank the manager for putting it forward for [15:25] the public. But also counsel. It also describes these serverless [15:29] agreements and kind of gives the public and council indication [15:32] of how long. Each incident. Is taking and what we [15:38] look to. Standards for customer service and individuals couldn't get [15:42] ideas. Based on offense and the complications of eastern investigations. [15:46] But I think our officers, this council has done. A [15:48] good job to help us, assist us with putting more [15:52] people power in the departments to help. To have that [15:55] better customer service related. And you'll see those numbers and [15:58] the timelines compress and decrease thanks to the leadership of [16:02] our manager. Excellent. Thank you. Are there any questions or [16:07] comments from members of council? Councilor darling. Thank you, Mr. [16:13] Gormer. In reading this, and you're saying your adjudications and [16:18] screening hearings that would have went to poa. Part of [16:22] our. Services. To the communities to try and find efficiencies. [16:28] So I would assume that by these not making it [16:30] to the POa. This is saving a huge amount of [16:33] staff time down the road. Could you comment on that? [16:38] Mr. Lehrman. Yes. Definitely saving a lot of staff time. [16:44] When the tig was issued for part two. Let's say [16:46] those are majority of our tickets, which were previous parking [16:50] offenses under the Provincial Offenses act. When somebody wanted to [16:53] appeal that ticket. They were going probably between 18 to [16:59] 20 months to actually get their ticket appealed, and they [17:02] were. Constantly contact her office to see how that's working. [17:04] How do I get resolved all those things now. We're [17:07] doing it within weeks. Also in the POA process, there's [17:11] a lot of work. That we have to work within [17:14] the legislation on timelines, processes, all those things. They're greatly [17:19] reduced now. It's the ticket. We have a screening officer [17:22] with staff member. Takes ten to 20 minutes. Maybe at [17:25] most. And then, depending on how it works out, the [17:29] person usually leads satisfied. And if not, they have another [17:33] step where they can appeal the process. So I would [17:35] say this is saving huge amount of times. In our [17:38] offices just outside of the provincial offense system itself, and [17:42] customer service has been hugely increased. I think council may [17:46] be getting less complaints in regard doing that, and I [17:48] know our office is seeing less complaints related to. That [17:52] process as well, and the courts have thanked us many [17:56] times. You're taking this out of them because we were [18:00] presenting a large amount of adjudications. Or court hearings to [18:04] them, and it's greatly reduced their caseload. And now in [18:07] Northland county they can focus on. The more complicated offenses, [18:12] the more provincial offenses, like speeding of those things. And [18:15] we're not. Jamming up the court systems for some things [18:17] like this. Thank you very much. Virtual armor. Excellent. Any [18:24] other comments or questions from the members. Okay, perfect. Yeah. [18:28] And I'd just like to say. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. [18:30] Larmer, and your department. I think this is a very [18:34] positive, good news story. That. Shows something. That. We're making [18:41] things a little bit more effective. In the town of [18:45] Colbert. And I believe this gets our money to us [18:49] a lot faster in this way as well, which is [18:51] a positive thing, and. We're not losing money for time [18:56] and staffing time. Your worship. Try that one. There we [19:00] go. Through you chair. Thank you. To Mr. Larmer. Have [19:05] we written to any other municipalities within north Orblin county [19:08] and offering our amp services at this time. Is that [19:11] a possibility? I know there's been talks about in the [19:12] past. And are we. In a place now where we [19:14] could actually. Provide. Court services for other municipalities. Mr. [19:24] Larmer. We have in the discussions with the Thomas county [19:28] municipalities in regards to the AmPS process. I won't speak [19:34] for the manager of law enforcement, but we are in [19:37] a unique position. Where our manager actually was one of [19:41] the first municipalities on terror through Oshawa to bring ants [19:43] to systems. So he's an expert and bring it forward. [19:46] A lot of the other misspalities are coming to us [19:47] and saying, want to get started? We want to do [19:49] this. I don't think you know how much work it [19:52] involves and how much dedication. At the start upload, so [19:56] we're trying to navigate them. We have been. Probably almost [19:59] all of them have asked us about it. We've always [20:01] opened our door that we're ready to talk. We're happy [20:03] to enter a degree with you. We have endorsements from [20:05] this council to do that. They're trying out on their [20:07] own. They have the ability to do that, but I [20:10] would say. With council's extra assistance with the staffing, with [20:15] the clerk, that we are more up. To be able [20:17] to take on these agreements and to a system where [20:19] we can to try to drive. Some of their offenses. [20:25] The end goals of getting compliance faster for them as [20:28] well, too, and helping the courts again. Deflate how much [20:31] activity they're seeing as well. Perfect. Thank you through the [20:37] chair to Mayor Cleveland as well. At the CAO meetings, [20:41] we meet regularly. We continue to discuss. Shared services or [20:49] the ability for those municipalities who have particular service areas [20:53] that others do not, that there's an opportunity potentially for [20:56] purchase service. Or agreements in place. So we always highlight [21:01] where those opportunities exist for those municipalities. It would be [21:05] a lot more cost. Effective. With some particular services, potentially [21:08] to get into agreements with other municipalities rather than onboarding [21:13] specific staff. So we continue to highlight those opportunities as [21:16] well. So just wanted council to be aware of that. [21:19] Excellent. Any follow up? Okay, perfect. At this time. We [21:25] will receive. Or take action on the consent agenda items. [21:34] I think I need to move her in a second. [21:36] Councilor bureau. Did I get one? No, I didn't. So, [21:43] Councilor Borough. And your worship, or are you good to [21:47] say that? Okay. All those in favor? It's carried. Now [21:54] we're on to the extracted items. Which we've got the [22:01] one item extracted at this time. I'm looking for a [22:05] mover. Oh, sorry. Yeah, no, I'd like to actually talk [22:08] about it, if that's okay. With you chair. I think [22:10] we got to put it on the floor for sorry. [22:15] Through your chair to my council members and to the [22:17] director. I think this may have hit the end of [22:23] the road at this point, and based off some of [22:25] the information that's come forward regarding the firefighters museum, I [22:29] think that there may be a better alternative coming down [22:31] the pipeline in terms of places to go and arrangements [22:35] to be had. And I'm just looking at all the [22:37] issues at hand. In terms of the current allocation of [22:41] that space. And my suggestion at this point is maybe [22:45] that. We set up a meeting instead of continuing down [22:48] this pathway, that we instead set up a meeting. With [22:50] the Firefighters museum to share some information about a potential [22:54] other site and or new allocations. This is 9.2 says [22:59] that we just sort of receive and move forward with [23:01] the current. Arrangement. My concern is that we're sending a [23:04] group of individuals down a path that isn't. Going to [23:06] lead to necessarily a good place. And at this time, [23:09] maybe we should stop. That have an honest conversation with [23:11] them about alternative options so that we can relook at [23:15] the possible uses for the memorial Arena. It's just a [23:19] conversation, a topic. And I'd love to hear from director [23:21] Gertz. At this time and or the council. The reason [23:24] I extracted it is to have this. Conversation on this [23:26] floor so that we can start talking about it. As. [23:30] There have been new. Potential developments recently, which may provide [23:35] a better opportunity for a local fire hall museum. Okay, [23:40] before we go to director goots, I'm just going to [23:42] move the motion that's on the agenda for the time [23:45] being, and then if the mayor has an amendment later. [23:48] He can put that after we have discussion. So I'm [23:51] going to move it. Do I? Have a seconder, your [23:54] worship. So it's on the floor. Director dirt. If you [23:59] could speak to it before we get into more discussion. [24:03] Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate the opportunity. To explain [24:08] the I won't repeat much of the information that's in [24:10] the report. But. I did just want to kind of [24:14] shape or highlight the point in time that we're at [24:16] right now. So, as you know from working with me [24:19] over the past couple of years, I'm a planner, like [24:21] to look quite a ways ahead and. We've had very [24:25] successful small peak planner. Not to your level. [24:37] But we've had very effective discussions with the firefighters museum. [24:43] It's been very interesting working with the group. Each member [24:45] of the board brings a unique skill set to the [24:47] table and they work effectively as a team to solve [24:50] issues. We've come a long way. So I don't want [24:55] my staff report kind of at the midpoint of our [24:57] time. To insinuate. That. Anything is. Soured or is not [25:03] working effectively, but. What I am signaling with my report [25:07] is as far as the leeway or discretion that I [25:10] have. As staff negotiator, I have run out of wiggle [25:15] room and. I'm open to additional direction if council sees [25:20] fit. So what I've been working with. To date, council [25:24] hasn't given me a specific range of details to negotiate [25:29] within, but. Since the curling club and the memorial arena [25:32] are on the same site and both are similar buildings, [25:35] sharing a facility I've been working with. The same constraints [25:38] as the Jack Heenan. Arena lease since. That council has [25:44] approved in the past that package of information. So that's [25:48] the introduction and the context for my staff report. I [25:52] look forward to. So if council passes the motion as [25:56] presented, I look forward to further discussions. And negotiations with [26:01] the firefighters museum. We may come. To. An agreement or [26:07] a lease, and I'll come back to counsel. With that [26:09] signed document for endorsement. If it's within the constraints that [26:13] I currently have, I'd be happy to do so, but. [26:16] I didn't want to let a whole year pass without [26:19] an opportunity. For capsule. To make any suggestions or alterations. [26:26] We are at the point where a lot of the [26:29] practical things have been figured out, at least. At a [26:32] basic level. Firefighters museum has been very diligent. Freebiting the [26:36] building, bringing in specialists, getting advice. Asking lots of questions, [26:41] really figuring out what the opportunities of that building are. [26:46] An arena built from in 1950, has a lot more [26:49] in common with a barn than any other building. It's [26:53] an unheated roof and walls, and even the whole floor [26:58] isn't. Even finished. Half of the floor is dirt. So [27:01] when you try to convert that into any modern use. [27:07] It's difficult and expensive. That being said, the zoning of [27:11] the site. Is institutional, which precludes quite a few different [27:16] commercial or other uses. So when we went through the [27:18] RFP process looking for proposals from the community. We didn't [27:22] get a long list of great uses for that building. [27:27] So if it turns out. If the Firefighters museum is [27:31] successful and they figure out a business plan that will [27:34] work for them. In that facility. I'd be happy to [27:37] recommend to council that we lease that to them. At [27:39] the right time. But also. If they determine. You know [27:43] what? This isn't the best facility for us. I'm also [27:46] glad to support that because we certainly don't want to [27:50] force fit anything and paint them into a corner that's [27:53] not appropriate for them. I wouldn't want to do that [27:55] for any charitable organization. So happy to support them along [27:58] the way. But we are at a point where it's [28:00] important to talk about money. So there's a bit of [28:03] context. In the report, Jack Heenan. Lease includes about $20,000 [28:11] a year in revenue and based on the 2024 budget, [28:16] The town pays about $50,000 a year for a maintenance [28:21] of the facility. So if Memorial arena lease included another [28:25] $20,000 in revenue, for example, then the town would continue [28:29] to pay about $30,000 in costs for that site. So [28:34] if you are interested, I have a table I could [28:36] put up on the screen that has a few different [28:38] scenarios. If you're interested in seeing that. For context. For [28:43] those who are used to looking at commercial leases. Now, [28:46] this is far from a commercially appropriate site. But just [28:49] so you get a business. Sense. The buildings are both [28:52] about have 25,000 usable space. Usable. As old arena buildings. [28:59] So, as base rent, that's 28.8 cents per square foot. [29:05] So that's what the current agreements have, so it's not [29:08] a lot of money. But it is more than zero. [29:12] So be happy to put that chart up on the [29:14] screen or antsy. Any further questions at this time. Yes, [29:19] we can get the chart up on the screen. I [29:20] think that'd be helpful. For the members. I did. Yeah, [29:26] I'm still on. Just sharing now. While he's doing that, [29:34] are there any questions from the committee at this time? [29:37] Or councilor? Bureau and then, your worship. I know that [29:42] we did this last time and we started negotiating and [29:45] stuff. How much time and. Effort and money has the [29:48] Canadian Firefighter museum put into this so far. Through the [29:54] chair. I haven't asked for that number, but the Firefed [29:57] museum does have access to the building. For investigative purposes, [30:04] and they've run one very successful fundraiser, so I would [30:08] suspect it is. Hundreds of hours. Get a nod from [30:12] will? Absolutely. So hundreds of hours would be the broad [30:17] estimate. And before we go to this, your worship. Yeah, [30:23] I think it's a good question, because. I think one [30:24] of the things is the amount of work and effort [30:27] that has been put forward. By the firefighters museum. Has [30:33] not gone unnoticed. It's one of the reasons why I [30:35] sort of, in my role, as mayor, as I've been [30:37] sort of working through this and speaking with some provincial [30:40] counterparts, And sort of looking at our fire master plan [30:44] and looking at opportunities in the very near future. Because [30:48] of the exemplary work, effort and forethought of this group, [30:51] I've actually been working to find a solution that would [30:54] be better for them than. The current building. Seeing that [30:58] there are a lot of problems, seeing that we're looking [31:00] at close to potentially a million dollars in retrofits to [31:03] make this building appropriate. I just think. That there's better [31:06] ways to spend a million dollars than in retrofitting an [31:08] old building. And so one of the things that I'd [31:11] like to talk about is maybe amending this motion to [31:14] basically have a conversation with both staff and the firefighters [31:19] museum. About some alternative options that may be coming apparent [31:25] in the very near future. In covert. And so in [31:29] no way, shape or form am I looking to shut [31:31] this down in. No way, shape or form am I [31:33] looking to get in the way of the incredible work [31:36] these volunteers have been doing. It's actually as a way [31:38] of maybe finding a better location and a better solution [31:41] for them. So that's one of the reasons I wanted [31:43] to have this. Conversation today is to take into account [31:45] that we're looking at potentially a million dollars. In work [31:48] that could be done. We're looking at it. Not necessarily [31:51] the best use of this space. And I guess the [31:54] question I'd have is to the director of planning what? [31:56] Kind of effort would it take to rezone this area [32:00] specifically to a residential zone, knowing that we currently have [32:03] a residential and housing crisis. Director Taylor Scott. Sure [32:13] happy to. Through the chair. So the property is a [32:18] major institutional site currently reflective of the current use. It [32:22] also has an institutional zoning on the property. It's not [32:26] zoned for broad residential uses at this time. When we [32:31] look at redevelopment or intensification. That is when, as planning [32:37] staff, we look to all the policy documents that guide [32:41] our recommendations and our work. That would include the provincial [32:44] policy statement, the county official plan, the town's official. Plan, [32:48] the growth plan and the zoning bylaw. So we work [32:51] through all those documents to inform. What the best use [32:54] based on the community structure should be. The policies in [32:59] and around redevelopment of a major institutional use. Largely. Land [33:09] in the realm of residential. There's a series of criteria [33:13] in our official plan. That speak to when an institutional [33:18] use ceases to operate. There's a set number of criteria [33:23] that we look at. And it's set the path forward [33:26] because we know institutional uses like schools cease over time. [33:32] They consolidate. They move on. We've seen other instances, for [33:36] example, on Durham street. So the official plan is forward [33:39] thinking and that it sets out criteria for the next [33:43] wave of land use. That comes along. So we look [33:46] to those criteria. It's predominantly residential. It could be another [33:50] institutional like use. And. There's criteria about servicing, about traffic. [33:57] So all these factors then come into play. Once that [34:01] institutional use ceases. It also would set the path forward [34:07] for a rezoning. Because the lands are zoned institutional at [34:13] present. Any major redevelopment into the realm of residential would [34:18] require rezoning. But that rezoning would be weighed against all [34:23] of those criteria in our official plan on the redevelopment [34:27] of the property. So. It's complex, but at the same [34:34] time it's fairly straightforward because of the forward thinking policies [34:37] in our official plan. Thank you. Thank you, Director Taylor [34:41] Scott, for that. Are there any questions? Or comments from [34:49] members of the committee. Councilor, bureau. Yeah, I apologize. I [34:55] missed Wednesday, last Wednesday's meeting, so I didn't hear the [34:57] update from the firefighters museum. My apologies for that, but [35:03] to me. If they're happy. With continuing negotiations. With community [35:12] services. I don't see how now would be a good [35:15] time to take all the work that's been done with [35:18] staff time and their time. And the work that has [35:21] been done to stop there and go to another location. [35:26] If they're happy with the location that they're in now. [35:30] And the negotiations still are in. If one of the [35:33] parties said, you know what, it's not going to work, [35:35] then. I can see that, but. I think, to be [35:38] honest. After putting. How many years has this been going [35:41] on too? Like two, maybe three. I think to stop [35:46] that work now and to move it to another location. [35:51] Is it wrong? Thank you for the comments, councilor bureau. [35:55] Your worship. Yeah, just double checking with council bureau. Did [35:58] you see the letter that was dated February 2 from [36:01] the museum? I did not. Okay, so just. So we're [36:04] clear in that letter? We're being made very clear that [36:06] in order for this to proceed covert council has to [36:09] be prepared for a million dollars in rent forgiveness. I [36:13] just want to be very clear that what the expectation [36:16] is moving forward is that they're very happy with the [36:19] building. On the assumption that we are going to forgive [36:22] a million dollars plus in rent. So I just. Want [36:24] to be clear. That's the problem. I'm pointing out here. [36:28] So there is a problem, and the problem is very [36:30] clearly that. As of we are now knowledgeable through the [36:34] report and. That this is not going to be a [36:38] zero expense to covert. We're looking at approximately a million [36:41] dollar expense. And so that's the problem I'm seeing, is [36:45] that this isn't. A project that doesn't have massive cost [36:48] to it. And again, I'm not saying that. We don't [36:52] necessarily spend the money. What I'm saying is that there [36:54] are other alternatives that have very recently become available, which [36:58] I think are more suited, that would be more appropriate. [37:02] And that could have more funding opportunities for a better, [37:06] successful agreement. Again, not looking to stop this. Simply taking [37:10] all of the great work that's been done. And putting [37:12] it in a different lane or an opportunity of a [37:15] different lane moving forward so it's not stopping. What it [37:17] is is looking at alternative arrangements. Based on very recent [37:21] information, we've received that this is not the ideal building [37:25] without a million dollars plus in leasehold. Improvements. So that's [37:28] where it's coming from. It's not a stopping we do [37:30] know there's problems. They've been very clear with their problems [37:33] from that letter. And that letter is stating, hey. Just [37:36] so council is aware, in order for this to move [37:38] forward, we're looking at potentially a million dollars. So that's [37:41] where my concern is, saying that, hey, we can't. Be [37:44] even. Let's not follow this down if we already know [37:48] where it's going and it's a million dollars in forgiveness. [37:51] Councilor bureau. I agree with you. A million dollars. When [37:54] you say that is a big price. Tag, but if [37:57] you look at all the other museums we support, Like, [38:02] for instance, the firehouse. We take care of that building, [38:04] the Murray Dressler house, the sift and Cook Museum. We [38:08] do lots of different things. And to retrofit an arena. [38:12] At the time, we knew that it was going to [38:13] be such a big project to overhaul, but we also [38:16] agreed that. It would be an ideal spot and location. [38:22] For that use of the arena. So to me, I [38:24] would still like to see that. The talks be gone [38:29] through our director in the museum and see what they [38:32] both come up with. To move forward in the recommendations [38:35] from there instead of us. Which I'm sure that director [38:39] Gertz, who come up with different locations or different. Ideas. [38:42] And that would happen in all those meetings. But I [38:46] just think we should continue. In the way it's going [38:49] now. There's always going to be costs. Always going to [38:52] be costs when you're supporting something as a museum. It's [38:56] me. The cultural master plan, which. Was to me what [39:02] a very well done plan. I think we need to [39:04] start following that and. Get back to our roots on [39:06] that culture, bringing back the tourism, bringing back all of [39:10] that, and I think that area on Furnace Street. Having [39:14] that memorial arena done as a firefighters museum is not [39:18] only keeping. The heritage part alive, but it's also keeping. [39:24] The building. To me. I know it's going to cost [39:28] money. We knew that before. And I think just continue [39:32] with ongoing negotiations. Thank you, councilor bureaus. So just a [39:38] clarity to the clerk, this item here goes to. The [39:41] regular council meeting, and then there will be a fulsome [39:45] discussion at that regular meeting. Yes. Anything that's recommended here, [39:51] this motion or an amendment motion would be referred to [39:53] the council for final ratification discussion. It pulled from consent [39:56] agenda. Okay, perfect. I'm going to go to councilor darling, [40:01] and then your worship. Thank you, chair. Just from the [40:09] reports, it looks like. There's the lease on the solar [40:12] panels on the roof is till 2035. Just thinking. If [40:17] we don't progress or proceed. With at this time. With [40:22] the firefighters museum that we're looking at approximately a cost [40:26] of $51,000. Per year times ten or eleven years. Just [40:31] to maintain the building. I don't know whether there's exit [40:35] clause in the solar panel agreement that would work, but [40:40] I just want to make sure that those numbers were [40:42] correct. Thank you. Yes. So it's my understanding from director [40:47] Gert there is a potential clause to get out of [40:50] the panels, but. We haven't necessarily explored. That is my [40:56] understanding. Would you like to speak to that? Thank you, [41:00] chair. Yes, the solar panel at least does have an [41:03] exit clause, but the mechanism is that we would pay [41:05] out the profits that the company would have received anyway. [41:09] So it would involve estimating the future electricity revenue and [41:13] compensating for their losses. So we haven't requested a specific [41:18] quote or explore that idea to the penny, but we [41:21] did consult with. Some solar industry experts, and they recommended [41:28] it would probably be cheaper just to ride out the [41:30] lease. With the building vacant and do nothing, then pay [41:33] it out. And just while the conversation was going on, [41:37] I did highlight. The year eleven on this chart and [41:41] I'd be happy chair to walk through a few of [41:43] these scenarios with your grace, and that may support some [41:48] of the ongoing conversation. But year eleven is supported there, [41:52] or as highlighted in this cell. So. If the town. [41:57] Continued to operate the building. With its current expenses based [42:01] on 2024 revenue, with the deduction of $20,000. Of additional [42:07] rent, it would cost us $420,000 over the next eleven [42:11] years. So, Mr. Chair, would you prefer me to [42:21] go through a few of these and explain these scenarios? [42:24] Yes, if you don't mind. And then we will go [42:27] to the mayor for his question. Thank you. Thank you. [42:31] So I'll work through the chart briefly, just working from [42:34] the left. Hand side. To the right hand side. Not [42:38] a financial planner. So this isn't necessarily a normal financial [42:42] layout of how these concepts are done, but I think [42:44] this is a simple way to compare. Some of the [42:49] a few alternatives to us. So I'll highlight the columns [42:53] that I'm speaking about as I go. So in column [42:57] e, which is highlighted, that summarizes the revenue we would [43:01] collect if we did a flat rate of $18,200 rent [43:07] for 20 years. So that would be, we would collect [43:09] a total of $364,000. And based on the comparable rent [43:15] that we receive of the jack. Jackhenan arena that. Was. [43:19] The floor of my negotiating threshold. I felt like I [43:22] couldn't go any lower than that. Without any direction from [43:26] council. But bear in mind, inflation and other costs continued [43:32] to go up. So if we thought about if we [43:36] assume that inflation is 2% on average over 20 years, [43:39] or 3% on average over 20 years. If we increase [43:43] that base amount of rent of 18,200 by those. Different [43:49] percentage rates. We would either collect 442 or 489,000 in [43:55] a two or 3% scenario. Director Gersh. Sorry. Your worship. [44:01] Are you in the meeting? Okay. Sorry. Just wanted to [44:04] make sure. Just because we want. To know that for [44:05] the minutes if you're going to leave the meeting. Sorry, [44:09] director Gers. Continue. Thank you for that clarification. So, on [44:13] the bottom here. I've just compared so that you don't [44:17] have to do the math mentally each one of these [44:19] lines below compares this scenario against the starting point. So [44:24] a 2% annual increase we would collect $78,000 more, a [44:28] 3% annual increase. We would collect $125,000. More. So that's [44:33] kind of three different versions of the existing Jack Heenan [44:37] lease, I guess. In scenario four and five. Just as [44:43] a comparison here, if we charged a dollar per square [44:47] foot for the buildings, plus. TMI. Which is a normal [44:51] way that you think about commercial leases. Of course we [44:53] don't. Pay ourselves taxes. So maintenance and insurance and a [44:57] 2% annual increase. Over 20 years, that would be a [45:01] collection of $874,000, which is 510 more than scenario one. [45:08] If we do that same scenario, but estimate that the [45:12] average. Inflationary increase is 3%. The difference would be collecting [45:17] 967,000, which is a difference of 603,000. I structured some [45:23] of these scenarios kind of to give a bit of [45:26] commercial context, even though it's very much not a commercial [45:29] site. But there's not a lot of museums looking to [45:33] move into arena examples. None of these happening in the [45:37] marketplace. There are no comparables. Right. It's that unique. So. [45:45] This is all. Given to you in context of some [45:49] commercial context, but also. It's compatible with the letter that's [45:53] received on the agenda as well from the firefighters museum [45:57] about. Their ballpark. Million dollar renovation. So even in these [46:03] five different scenarios, the town does have a way to [46:07] collect a million dollars of rent with a fairly reasonable [46:11] ask of $36,000. I think is a fairly reasonable number. [46:17] It does get close to that million dollar rent, but [46:20] if we were considering forgiving that rent anyway. It would [46:24] be a wash. So if the town is considering being [46:32] that generous, So if that ask of a million dollars [46:36] of rent forgiveness is considered, none of these scenarios really. [46:42] Matter, because we wouldn't collect any of this rent anyway. [46:48] That being said, We move one more column to the [46:54] right. The bills still come due. The building is still [46:58] there. It'll need painting of hydro bills. Need to be [47:01] paid. There's lights on the parking lot that the town [47:04] needs to maintain. We need to plow and salt and [47:07] repave at some point. If the museum moves in, the [47:12] roof will need to be well maintained. We can't leak. [47:16] On invaluable artifacts if the building were to remain vacant [47:20] and there was a small roof leak that developed. Staff [47:23] could look at it if it's just leaking on the [47:25] dirt. Floor and the water soaks into the floor, it [47:28] might not even need to be fixed right. There's different [47:31] ways to ride it out. And if this interior use [47:35] was a not very sensitive. Use, the maintenance cost could [47:38] be lower, but if the interior of the building is [47:41] used for a sensitive use. Our obligation is the landlord [47:44] is higher, not astronomically higher, but the due diligence. Reasonableness [47:50] standard is higher. So, based on the 2024 budget, now. [47:57] This is pretty fairly broad forecast, but if we includ. [48:02] Included $18,000 of additional revenue. That leaves $32,000 of an [48:08] expense based on our budget this year. If we just [48:10] assume that carries forward for 20 years. We're still incurring [48:14] expense of $882,000. On top of a zero rent. That's [48:21] the expenses. With the revenue. If the roof needs to [48:27] be redone. Once 25,000 square foot building. I have not [48:32] quoted what that is, but even on that you've seen [48:34] the budget on even very small municipal buildings, like the [48:38] concert band building, right? That's a million dollars in capital [48:41] for that building over the next 20 years, I think. [48:43] Is a small number. So we're looking at $2 million [48:47] in expenses. Very broad estimates. These are not based on [48:51] quotes or detailed engineering plans, but at least it gives [48:54] you a sense of the scale of what we're looking [48:57] at, and I think it's. Appropriate to have this. This [48:59] is why I wanted to have this check in point [49:01] midway through. Negotiations to. See how comfortable council is with [49:05] the scale of this plan. Thank you. Chair. Thank you, [49:10] Director Gertz. Your worship. Yeah. Motion to amend. I'm. Going [49:14] to leave the motion as it sends. The only thing [49:16] I'm going to put at the end is further, that [49:18] council directs staff. To explore options regarding the solar panels [49:24] on the roof at this time. I'm not moving. Forward. [49:27] Let's not necessarily decide what we're going to do, but [49:29] I would like to know options. Regarding either. Moving them [49:34] because obviously we don't necessarily want to get out of [49:36] the contract. We don't. Want to be paying that kind [49:37] of lump sum, but is there an opportunity to move? [49:39] To a new town building and maintain that contract. What [49:42] are the opportunities? Here is basically all I'm asking for [49:45] at this time to understand. If we were to sort [49:48] of think in advance, if this council were to decide [49:50] to go through an op adjustment and redesign that area [49:54] for residential what are our options to just have a [49:57] fulsome discussion, hopefully regarding this. That's the motion. So just [50:00] simply to look for options. To get out of the [50:02] contract for our solars. Okay. This is just in regards [50:08] to the solar panel. This is the only thing. Yeah, [50:11] we'll just add that at this point, do we have [50:13] a seconder? Councilor bureau? Any discussion. On the item, [50:23] councilor. Maybe also, if possible, if we can get an [50:28] estimate for the roof cost. In that as well. This [50:31] way we have a fulsome understanding of what the exact [50:34] potential maintenance cost under everything, and that way we're more [50:37] informed, happy to amend. We'll just let Mr. Lamber put [50:43] that up there. We're going to make a big decision. [50:48] Let's make sure we have all of the facts part [50:50] of it. I think it's a great situation. Thank you, [50:52] chair. Chairman. Darling, do you have any questions in regards [51:01] to anything going on? Okay. Your worship. And I just [51:03] like to say thank you again to both director Gertz. [51:06] He is building quite a reputation in the community as [51:09] being a deal maker and as being a planner small [51:12] p and I think that that's really appropriate to mention [51:15] and to talk about because I think a lot of [51:17] these projects are moving along at a great rate because [51:20] of the willingness of director Gertz to sort of be [51:22] open minded and to not come with a bunch of [51:26] sort of. Assumptions. So a special note to him and [51:29] also, again, a special thanks. I haven't been out there [51:32] working to find new locations for this museum because. The [51:36] team behind. The museum is doing an incredible job and [51:40] seeing the amount of work they're putting into. This and [51:42] seeing the momentum is why I've sort of gotten behind [51:45] it myself, and I just want to say thank you [51:46] to all the vault. [51:56] Is it? Councilor bureau? It's okay. He's got two hats. [52:04] Apparently today. So the motion. Is there any further discussion [52:12] questions? Director Gertz. You just have some comments. Thank you. [52:19] I did highlight the roof as an example, but is [52:22] not the only expense of feast. Of infrastructure on the [52:24] site. So based on the lease definition that we've been [52:27] negotiating with, the firefighters museum. The town would maintain the [52:32] building envelope. So roof walls, foundations and the common areas. [52:36] Which are the parking areas and land. Landscaping, so I'd [52:41] be glad to include. Any other infrastructure costs if council [52:44] is interested in that information. So noted and so moved. [52:48] I think that'd be appropriate. If. The building envelope. As [52:56] I would say, as. Per our other agreement. [53:06] Once Mr. Farmers got that all up there. [53:21] Is that good with the two? We just put the [53:26] infrastructure repairs. Cao. Vaughn. Sorry. Just a note as well [53:31] that these will be. Estimates. So broader estimates. Right. They [53:34] won't be detailed design work. Excellent. So the emotion to [53:42] amend is up on the board. If there's any questions, [53:47] speak now. If not. Okay. All those in favor? Opposed. [53:53] If any, it's carried. Now let's go back to. The [53:58] main motion, as amended. Do we need to see the [54:01] whole thing in its entirety, or are you guys. Good [54:05] with. Okay, sounds good. Any questions? Further discussion. Councilor. Darling, [54:13] are you good? Okay. At this time. I'll call the [54:18] vote on the motion as amended. All those in favor? [54:23] Opposed. If any, it's carried. All right. Your worship. Thank [54:33] you. Just. I'd like to note to the municipal clerk [54:36] that I would. Like that pulled from the consent agenda [54:39] at the regular meeting already? I don't know if I [54:41] have to provide notice or if I can do that [54:42] in these meetings. Okay, perfect. Okay, at this time, we're [54:50] going to move to the notice of motion, and we [54:53] have a notice of motion from Mayor Cleveland. If you'd [55:03] like to move that onto the floor. And if we [55:05] can get a seconder. So the mayor's moved his notice [55:09] motion on the floor. Do we have a second? Councilor [55:16] bureau. So, discussion on the item. Your worship, I'd like [55:23] to first start off by recognizing that this motion. Doesn't [55:27] come by myself. While it says the notice of motion [55:30] from Mayor Lucas Cleveland, the reality is, I may have [55:32] stolen a little bit of thunder from my fellow counselors, [55:35] and I. Want to acknowledge that this is an item [55:38] that I've been at lengths in discussion with. Both councilor [55:41] Darlingwith both councilor bureau, with even yourself, councilor Bercat and [55:45] so while this motion may be coming forward, With me. [55:48] I want to be very clear that I am not [55:50] the one that has necessarily been pushing the envelope on [55:53] the parking issue. My fellow counsel has been, and it's [55:57] been my job as the mayor to simply listen and [55:59] hear. It was a bit of a rush job in [56:03] terms of getting this together with the report coming from [56:05] the DbIA. And sort of the new working model. I [56:10] knew that this had to get up in front of [56:11] council. So these suggestions are sort of a combination of [56:15] suggestions that I've heard from across the table from my [56:17] other counselors. They're in no way, shape or form locked [56:21] in stone. And it was a starting point. From which [56:24] I hope today. Will continue that discussion, and then we [56:28] can lead to a fulsome discussion as a whole. But [56:30] I do want to acknowledge that these ideas are not [56:33] mine. These are the ideas that I've been presented from [56:35] people like councilor bureau and councilor darling who have actually [56:38] spoken. At length with me about some of their concerns. [56:41] And primarily all I'm looking to do here, and I [56:44] think all council is looking to do is to listen [56:46] to what the DBI is saying. And when we went [56:48] through those points, today of what the DBI is looking [56:51] for. These suggestions, not saying that they need to stay [56:53] on would have basically addressed all of those concerns, and [56:58] so I think we can do one better. Than what [57:00] the DBI is asking, I think. We can look for [57:03] our staff to come back with a more. Easy to [57:07] use. And simplistic parking system. That doesn't necessitate a reduction. [57:15] In revenue, but also takes into account the seasonality of [57:20] our community. And that is that in the summertime, everyone [57:23] needs parking, and the rest of the year, we've got [57:26] lots of parking available. And I think. When you I [57:30] know a lot of people tell me that municipalities aren't [57:33] business, but I think when we're looking at parking. Parking [57:36] is a business. In our municipality. And as such, there [57:40] is a time when you want. To provide quality services, [57:45] and then there's a time where you want to maximize [57:47] potential revenue. And I think the suggestions in this motion. [57:52] Are sort of alluding to some of that, but again, [57:54] I'm open to suggestions, amendments. And or any other alterations. [57:58] Thank you. Councilor. Thank you for bringing this forward, your [58:03] worship. You're right. Parking has been an ongoing conversation. I [58:09] think since the car was invented, I think, to be [58:12] honest, I like a lot of these points. There's some [58:14] that I don't, but I do think we need a [58:17] fulsome conversation after. The strategic parking plan comes out from [58:24] staff, and I think there is definitely good points in [58:27] here. And I think the DBI has some good points [58:30] in there as well. Some again, I don't agree with. [58:34] But I think that once the report comes back to [58:37] council, I think that would be the perfect opportunity for [58:41] all of us as council to debate that motion. So [58:46] as much as I love these, and I know there's [58:48] the three or four points, In your motion that I [58:51] would like to vote on now in the past, but [58:54] I think we need to refer this to that plan. [58:57] Be very clear, Councilor Burrow, none of these suggestions would [59:00] be necessitated in the voting. What this motion is, is [59:08] simply requesting a report from staff using some of these [59:11] as a suggested guideline. So I think waiting until the [59:15] report. Is again, being a reactive type of government. I [59:18] think we need to start being proactive. I think our [59:22] community expects us to be taking a leadership role. And [59:25] I think that what I've asked for. Is not a [59:30] solution. What? I've asked for suggestions from staff based on [59:33] these recommendations, so. I think it's actually to sort of [59:37] push back. It's actually the perfect time. Because we know [59:39] that report is eminent. The staff already have access to [59:42] that report and will so within the next few weeks. [59:46] And so suggesting that they start putting together a report [59:49] about that. Report and what our new parking regime. That's [59:51] one of the reasons why I pushed it forward, to [59:53] get it on the agenda now is because of the [59:55] timing issue. This will allow the staff to have that [59:58] appropriate time. When that report comes that they don't have [1:00:00] to, then wait for a motion from counsel. To go [1:00:03] forward on that. So that's the reason for it. Council [1:00:07] bureau. I agree. We need to be proactive rather than [1:00:12] reactive, which I think when we first came back with [1:00:17] these new parking regulations. It was a lot to take [1:00:20] in because there were so many different aspects. To the [1:00:24] whole parking plan. But I still think that if. We [1:00:31] start going line by line over these and adding new [1:00:35] bylaws in it's going to confuse people more. And I [1:00:38] think that's one of the biggest issues that happened with [1:00:41] our parking last year. Is, everybody didn't have the right [1:00:46] information to understand where the waterfront parking was, where the [1:00:50] downtown parking was and. When it would start, when it [1:00:55] didn't because. People are busy and they live their lives. [1:00:59] So I do believe that I would rather like to [1:01:02] instead of piece by piece, I would rather have to [1:01:04] look at the whole parking thing where council then goes [1:01:07] over it. I agree with you. There needs to be [1:01:09] changes, 100%, but I do believe that. We need to [1:01:14] have that report back first, and then we can actually [1:01:17] sit back, take our time. And do it right. Your [1:01:22] worship. Yeah, I'm a little bit lost to councilor because [1:01:25] this is doing it. Right. This is exactly what doing [1:01:28] it right looks like. It's asking the staff to give [1:01:32] us a report. On how we could make it better. [1:01:39] This isn't going line by line. The suggestions that I [1:01:41] put forward are just examples of what to do. That [1:01:45] could further that this new program shall consider, not implement. [1:01:49] Shall consider. It was very specific in the wording because [1:01:52] I want to be very clear that it also says [1:01:54] suggestions from residents business and council members in the report. [1:01:58] So in this motion, it actually would allow the staff [1:02:01] to speak. To each council member and get their input, [1:02:04] it would actually allow. The staff to take the emails [1:02:07] that we get all the time and come back with [1:02:10] the report. And I want to be very clear. We [1:02:12] can simply. If any of these points don't sit well, [1:02:16] we can simply cross them. Out now in the direction [1:02:19] to staff and allow them to come back with a [1:02:21] Folsom. Report. But what you're asking is to put everything [1:02:24] on hold until the report comes back. And I'm just [1:02:27] a little confused as to why when we're not asking [1:02:30] for a decision. We're not going to confuse resident. Residents [1:02:33] because nothing is being done. All that is happening is [1:02:37] we're giving the staff the opportunity to get a head [1:02:39] start on the work. Council. Agree. 100% I agree with [1:02:47] you, but these are just minuscule points to the whole [1:02:51] parking plan. And. This is one of the reasons why [1:02:55] I think that we should refer this to that report. [1:02:58] I'm not saying that any of these are bad. I'm [1:03:00] not saying that we shouldn't. Be debating them. I'm saying [1:03:02] that there's a right time to debate. Them. And I [1:03:06] think that we need that input from staff to come [1:03:09] back as a report which will be happening and. I [1:03:14] do get it. I just think that. We need to [1:03:19] do this as a whole. Instead of just. Specific line [1:03:24] by lines. Quick question through the chair to councilor bureau. [1:03:29] What do you think? The report is coming back? With [1:03:31] because it's simply going to be a report that says [1:03:32] either we have a parking problem. We don't have a [1:03:34] parking problem. We have a parking problem, and that's where [1:03:38] you're going to be. Unfortunately, most likely incorrect. We don't [1:03:41] have a parking problem. And that report, that's going to [1:03:43] come back is going to clearly indicate that there is. [1:03:45] Not necessarily. Again, I'm assuming so. Are you? But the [1:03:48] reality is. This report isn't going to have anything to [1:03:52] do with a parking strategy. This report is. Only going [1:03:55] to tell us whether there is an issue with parking [1:03:57] or there isn't an issue with parking. That has nothing [1:04:00] to do with this motion that is on the table. [1:04:02] The motion. That's on the table is about relooking at [1:04:05] the entire parking strategy and having a report from staff [1:04:08] so that we can have the debate. That we both [1:04:11] agree we want to have. So we are. But it's [1:04:14] about this report. We need to put this on the [1:04:17] council. Table now so that it goes to regular council [1:04:20] at the end of the month, so that in March. [1:04:23] Our staff can start working on this report. The timing [1:04:25] of this matters, and that's why this has been put [1:04:27] forward. Now. Now is the right time because now we [1:04:31] talk about it. Now it doesn't happen. It simply goes [1:04:34] on the docket for the end of the month, meaning [1:04:36] at the end of February, this council will then have [1:04:39] a discussion around this. And if this council decides to [1:04:42] then ask for a report again. No changes, no parking, [1:04:47] no anything. Simply a report. We will get that report. [1:04:50] Till at earliest march or April. So now. Is the [1:04:54] actual right time if we want to fix our summer [1:04:56] parking problems, now is when we have to start doing [1:04:58] the foresight. So that's why I'm just being very. Clear. [1:05:02] I'm pushing back because this is exactly the right time. [1:05:04] It's why I rushed. To get this on the docket. [1:05:07] Thank you, worship. Councilor bureau. And then I believe I [1:05:11] saw Councilor Darling's hand. Up. I think we're saying the [1:05:14] same thing, but different. This is going to go on [1:05:19] the council agenda anyways with whatever motion we come up [1:05:23] with. Or it stays the same. So it's all going [1:05:26] to be debated then as well. The question is. Are [1:05:31] we moving this exactly the way it is to the [1:05:33] council agenda? I'm okay with that if we're going to [1:05:36] be debating on each parking thing, then I'm not. Doing [1:05:39] that, but I think we're saying the exact same thing, [1:05:41] because regardless, it's either going to go for information purposes [1:05:44] and into the report, or we're going to be debating [1:05:46] it at February 20 eigth. So either way, again, I [1:05:51] agree. Do we need to talk about parking? 100%. Do [1:05:55] we need to figure out the best ways to move [1:05:56] forward. Absolutely. So to save arguments and time, this is [1:06:02] going to go on to the agenda, then I'm all [1:06:05] for it. Yes. Before I go to councilor Darling there. [1:06:10] Yeah. Basically, any of these items are going to be [1:06:13] going to the regular council and then obviously from that [1:06:16] we'll get taken into consideration. Of the overall report that [1:06:20] Mr. Lermer and his team are already working on. Let's [1:06:24] go to Councilor Darling. Thank you, chair. The mayor did [1:06:31] answer some because I'm looking at the timelines here, which [1:06:34] it says to the next committee. Which is in March, [1:06:39] and then it'll go back to council for March, the [1:06:41] end of March. I guess my concern comes in is [1:06:46] it's getting late in the year. And. Will we have [1:06:50] time to pass it? And the citizens get to buy [1:06:53] their $40 passes if we stay with them or if [1:06:55] we change the passing. Will it give bylaw and all [1:07:00] the staff time, or are we rushing this for this [1:07:03] year? I have concerns, but. Just the timelines. I just [1:07:08] wanted to bring that up. Thank you. I'm going to [1:07:11] go to Mr. Larmer because I know him and I [1:07:13] have had discussions about this on when the report's coming, [1:07:18] and these are just some notes to potentially add to [1:07:22] that report. And potential information. I know there may be [1:07:27] some issues with some of them in their implementation, but. [1:07:30] If I gave Mr. Lamber to speak to that. Yes. [1:07:36] So through to the committee members. So we have council [1:07:39] has the current provided. In 2023. Direction to staff that [1:07:44] we're working on, and there's two reports. Just to clarify, [1:07:46] the standing committee, there's one that public works is working [1:07:48] on, which is? The guarding the parking feasibility study. So [1:07:52] that's coming back to council. The separate one was directed [1:07:55] by council. Believe it was through notice of the motion [1:07:58] and what we're working on. Right now. And finalizing was [1:08:01] the direction to report back an options to create a [1:08:03] townwide annual resident parking permit, including the improved ease of [1:08:07] parking for residents and also some additional downtown parking options. [1:08:12] To make parking in the downtown waterfront area more consistent, [1:08:14] understandable, and more accessible to all. So we're looking at [1:08:17] all those options. In regards to that, we also had [1:08:20] direction for council. Regarding accessible permit purchased a regular fee [1:08:23] holder for designated accessible parking spaces. Increasing the fine for [1:08:28] accessible spaces to 450 from the current 300. So we're [1:08:31] looking at that as well too, on those options. And [1:08:34] the second one we're looking at is in regards to [1:08:37] a downtown business employee permit. Any suggestions with comments from [1:08:41] the BIA, because the DBI back in summer or fall [1:08:45] last year did provide some additional information on what they'd [1:08:48] like to see in the downtown. So we're working with [1:08:50] those well, too. So essentially, we're hoping for this report [1:08:54] back in March for sure. I agree with councilor. Time [1:08:58] creeps up on us as well, too, so that's. One [1:09:01] of the concerns. We want to also get this in [1:09:03] front of council as quick as we can, especially with [1:09:05] the notice of motion that council doors to go through [1:09:07] in this conversation and we know that parking is always. [1:09:11] A very high level. Discussion here as well as the [1:09:14] community. But I just want to also say that. We [1:09:17] did really do in the last two years, two and [1:09:19] a half years, really robust discussion and look at the [1:09:21] waterfront area. We had meetings, we had areas. We developed [1:09:25] a pass where I think our residents are really caught [1:09:27] on now. With that real trial period then. We reviewed [1:09:31] it last year too, as well. So I think that's [1:09:33] important to know. And what some of those comments on [1:09:36] there is like, I think that we currently have got [1:09:38] it. Right. Based on what we really talked about, the [1:09:40] waterfront area, and I believe that we can, in this [1:09:43] report is going to come back that we can look [1:09:45] at. A similar trial basis or options for the downtown [1:09:50] area, too, for residents and have that combined as well, [1:09:53] too, especially with the DBI and what they're experiencing as [1:09:56] well, too, with parking. So that's what we are going [1:09:58] to be bringing back. And I'm happy to take all [1:10:01] of these options that the notice motion has provided back. [1:10:05] We could also discuss those in the parking report as [1:10:08] well. I think one of the ones I just want [1:10:10] to bring the attention to this committee too, is that [1:10:12] I would maybe have a bit. Of concern on that [1:10:15] is just regarding that all paid parking the town be [1:10:17] suspended until new parks trash implanted. I would raise issue [1:10:21] with that one. Well, we should just continue the status [1:10:23] quo until we start. To look at everything and review, [1:10:27] and council has an opportunity to do that, and maybe [1:10:30] council or. This committee wants to give some advice to [1:10:33] council or recommendation to council that we put a hard [1:10:35] timeline on a report back that maybe you say March [1:10:37] has to come to march and council endorsed that it [1:10:39] puts more of a time frame. On our staff to [1:10:41] get back with it, but just be cognizant of council [1:10:44] that. The last few meetings, especially in January, there has [1:10:46] been a lot of work that has been given to [1:10:48] staff from this council, especially when it comes to law [1:10:52] enforcement. So we are trying our best. But if this [1:10:55] is a priority of the standing committee to council endorse, [1:10:58] we will make sure that we get that well before [1:11:00] the. Summer, spring season. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Larmer. Your [1:11:08] worship. Happy to amend the motion as Mr. Larmer has [1:11:11] recommended. Happy to remove that. Last notice off the motion [1:11:15] and happy to take that off and to put a [1:11:16] date on if this council. If this committee said, as [1:11:19] I said, there is nothing that I'm holding on. To [1:11:21] personally here with these recommendations from Mr. Larmer. I'm open [1:11:24] to those suggestions. To have that removed from the notice [1:11:26] of motion, since I believe. You're the second or whoever [1:11:30] seconded that. It's up to you whether you're okay with [1:11:32] it as well. So, Mr. Armor, then I would ask [1:11:34] that through you to Mr. Larmer, that your two recommendations, [1:11:37] one, that all paid parking be removed. The suggestion and [1:11:40] further that you add that date. That's sort of moving [1:11:43] along. Everyone clear? With the amendments on it. Any questions [1:11:52] or further discussion. Okay, one more comment. Sorry. I'll put [1:11:58] the amendment up and I just want to. Is the [1:12:00] committee going to. Recommend. A timeline for council consider to [1:12:05] put on staff. Does the report come to council directly [1:12:09] or does it come to the committee first and the [1:12:11] next? Okay. Yeah. The way the standing structure is, it [1:12:21] would come to the committee responsible for that, which is. [1:12:23] Here. But again, this committee can recommend to go directly [1:12:25] to council as that piece of it, but. I think [1:12:28] what's going to happen with this? This will have to [1:12:29] come to council anyways. The end of the month be [1:12:31] endorsed too. So council can you endorse whether you decide [1:12:33] to come back to the committee or to council, so [1:12:35] I'm sure there might be. More of a discussion of [1:12:37] all. Members of council, too, on this. So I think [1:12:42] regardless. If somebody would have liked to put a timeline [1:12:45] on it, it would either have to come to the [1:12:48] beginning of the month. In march. Or. [1:12:59] Towards the end of March. If it was towards the [1:13:01] end of March, obviously. Income rate to council. Then obviously [1:13:05] that would give staff more time, but if the committee [1:13:09] would like it to come earlier. Just obviously to Mr. [1:13:12] Lermer's comments on. The workload. So I'll leave that up [1:13:18] to the members of the committee, if they would like [1:13:20] to. Put amendment on that. Councilor Bureau. The regular council [1:13:29] in March. I think that timeline from February 28 to [1:13:32] the five days after six days after to get the [1:13:36] report. And. Okay with. [1:13:47] That date, okay? Sir. Mr. Larmer, you typing that up [1:13:52] as an amendment or something? Right now, I figure that's. [1:14:04] Well, Mr. Larry is just typing that up. Do you [1:14:06] have any questions, councilor darling? Okay, perfect. [1:14:55] Councilor bureau. You're good with that? As it's written. Okay, [1:15:00] your worship. [1:15:18] Your worship. Just to clarify, Mr. Larmer, that means that [1:15:21] these recommendations will be part of. The report. Thank you [1:15:24] very much. Thank you so much. That's right. That would [1:15:30] be considered as part of the overall report. And obviously [1:15:34] the staff. Would. Make sure they don't contradict other things, [1:15:40] or so on and so forth. Okay, so there's been [1:15:43] a lengthy discussion on this, so I'm going to call. [1:15:46] The vote on this, I guess, is the amendment. So [1:15:50] the amendment first. We got a mover. And seconder. I'm [1:15:53] going to call the question. All those in favor? Opposed. [1:15:57] If any, it's carried. Now back to the main motion, [1:16:01] as amended. Any questions or concerns on it. Okay. All [1:16:10] those in favor? And it's carried. At this time, we're [1:16:15] moving on to department updates. I know director Taylor [1:16:25] Scott has had to leave us, unfortunately, for some other [1:16:28] matters, but I know. The CaO has a report. Update [1:16:32] from her, and then we will go to director Gertz, [1:16:35] fire chief and Mr. Alarm. If they have reports. Thank [1:16:40] you to the chair. So under economic development, just wanted [1:16:43] to highlight an exciting event that is. Coming soon. It's [1:16:49] a partnered event between the town of Coburg and the [1:16:51] Northumberland Central Chamber of. Commerce, and it is the celebration [1:16:56] of the business awards, so very important events in our [1:17:00] community. It takes place on Friday, March 22 at the [1:17:03] best western. If you haven't had an opportunity to attend [1:17:07] this event. We certainly want to highlight that for the [1:17:10] community. This event recognizes business excellence in nine different sectors, [1:17:15] as well as looks at the award of the James [1:17:18] Crosson Award for lifetime achievement, the mayor's award and the [1:17:21] Chambers. Chair award as well. So very exciting night. Nominations [1:17:27] are open and can be completed on the chambers. Website. [1:17:30] In addition from economic development staff will be attending the [1:17:33] Economic Developers Council of Ontario's annual conference in Toronto. So [1:17:38] this forum really brings together economic leaders from around the [1:17:41] province and looks at the role of collaboration and innovation [1:17:45] and how economic development staff and departments play a really [1:17:49] key role. In shaping the future of Ontario's economy. So [1:17:52] again, A very important event for Coberg to be participating [1:17:57] in and to have our voice heard in terms of [1:17:59] how we shape and explore the opportunities that are available [1:18:02] to us. In the coming years. Moving on to venture [1:18:07] 13. We have had. Some updates. So one of our [1:18:12] venture zone members have departed, and I do want to [1:18:15] again highlight that we recognize success where we know that [1:18:19] venture 13 is an incubator. It provides an opportunity for [1:18:23] folks to build their business footprint. And capacity and sustainability. [1:18:28] So where we see that members have an opportunity to [1:18:31] then become independently operating, this is a wonderful story and [1:18:36] links right back to that economic development piece. Around healthy [1:18:41] businesses in our community. We have also got four new [1:18:45] members starting February 1, so. There's a really great cycle [1:18:49] happening here. Our desk capacity and other great news story [1:18:53] is close to 100% occupancy. We only have one desk [1:18:56] vacant, so this is really. Good news with our venture [1:19:00] zone members and offices are available for rent, so please, [1:19:04] if any member of the public is interested. Reach out [1:19:06] to our staff. They're happy to help. We have some [1:19:09] new winter programming that will be happening. So. Our really [1:19:13] popular strike up women's digital conference. The viewing party is [1:19:17] happening on end of day panel discussion among local women [1:19:21] in local business. So again, very important event February 23. [1:19:26] Our Ontario center of Innovation program session is May 5, [1:19:31] our March break. Stem camp so backed by popular demand. [1:19:34] The stem camp is incredibly popular. So March 11 to [1:19:39] 15th, that will be happening. Our chamber of Commerce meet [1:19:42] and greet March 12. And AI in the workplace session [1:19:47] is March 19. So really great suite of programming that [1:19:51] is coming. Down the pipe. And with that, that is [1:19:54] the economic development and venture 13 update. Excellent. We're going [1:20:00] to move on. Any questions or comments from members of [1:20:03] the committee? Okay? Perfect. Just a brief announcement, in case [1:20:07] I haven't said it enough. We have the civic awards [1:20:11] open. We are in the civic award reception. We do. [1:20:17] Have a few categories where we have yet to receive [1:20:20] a nomination, so I want to make sure that. Everyone [1:20:22] knows that. If you've got those great volunteers, if you've [1:20:25] got those great community members out there who haven't been [1:20:28] recognized for their exceptional contributions as community. Please. Not buy. [1:20:33] My office is always open or you can always speak [1:20:34] to one of the Coberg. Staff here about the process [1:20:37] to get. Someone nominated for a civic ward. Thank you, [1:20:39] chair. Excellent. On to director goods. Thank you, chair. I [1:20:47] do have a few exciting things going on. Winter is [1:20:51] we're about midway through, and spring is upon us. Community [1:20:54] services has a lot of change and exciting things planned [1:20:56] for 2024. And we're well into implementation plans and working [1:21:00] with staff on implementing all the important decisions and projects [1:21:04] from the 2024 budget. The campground has an exciting new [1:21:09] web sales. So web. Online booking that is working well [1:21:13] and effective and. Almost all the sites that have now [1:21:17] opened up are booked and sold, and we're excited. To [1:21:20] see. Some that new tool to drive tourism to the [1:21:24] waterfront and the downtown and allow staff to focus on [1:21:29] some other maintenance activities and customer support. In the off [1:21:33] season. The marina registrations have also opened. All the seasonal [1:21:36] bookings have been taken, but there's lots of transient space [1:21:40] available, but it is filling up very quickly. So I [1:21:42] do encourage the public and visitors to book those times [1:21:46] and spots quickly. On our free and public events. We [1:21:50] have lots of trails and outdoor spaces. Obviously open to [1:21:55] the public throughout the winter as well. But the rink [1:21:58] with the outdoor rink with our fairly reasonable winter weather [1:22:01] we've had lately. The ice is good quality and it's [1:22:04] busy, but I do encourage people to make use of [1:22:06] those before the spring weather comes. As far as other [1:22:10] rooms and facilities we do have as part of the [1:22:13] 2024 budget, some of the user fees have been updated [1:22:16] and will increase in stages throughout the years. So I [1:22:18] did want to encourage the public. To make use of [1:22:22] this opportunity to take as many bookings as they can [1:22:25] before the rates rise. There's a unique window of opportunity [1:22:28] here to make use of those facilities at last. Year's [1:22:31] prices. And one I did want to highlight one special [1:22:36] project in the downtown, the Albert street washrooms. Project that [1:22:39] was approved in previous year. Budget is moving along. It's [1:22:42] been a little slower. Than we had hoped. But the [1:22:45] doors are installed, so the building now looks ready. But [1:22:48] there are still some mechanical works underway, and we will [1:22:52] come back to council. With an opening date as soon [1:22:55] as we know it, but thankfully, we're now measuring in [1:22:58] weeks instead of months. There's some hardware, like the accessibility [1:23:02] door opening hardware that we don't yet have in our [1:23:04] hands, so we need to get that installed before it's [1:23:07] fully open to the public, but we're exciting to see [1:23:09] progress there, and we'd be able to reactivate that building [1:23:12] in a new way. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Excellent. Any [1:23:16] questions? Comments from members of council? Perfect. No. Appreciate the [1:23:22] update on the washrooms, because I know. That's a hot [1:23:26] topic in the community. And that's excited that that's getting [1:23:31] done. Chief. Thank you, chair. We've completed the hiring process [1:23:37] for volunteer firefighters. We'll be hiring four in the next [1:23:40] week or so, and that'll bring our compliment up to [1:23:43] 20, so. We'll have our full compliment again. The posting [1:23:47] will be going out in two weeks for two career [1:23:50] firefighters. We also conducted ice water rescue training last weekend [1:23:54] with half the fire department. We did have a lot [1:23:57] of bystanders, including the mayor and his son. The weather [1:24:01] was favorable for our training. And we'll be doing it [1:24:04] again for the other half department in two weeks. The [1:24:07] delivery date for the new fire truck will be August. [1:24:11] I'll put that in pencil, because I'm not sure if [1:24:13] that's going. To be the actual date. We've also secured [1:24:18] the OFM live fire training trailer for this county. So [1:24:22] last year. It was in Hamilton. This year we've secured [1:24:26] it, so it will be at our fire. Station for [1:24:28] a week in July, and we'll be conducting live fire [1:24:31] training with all seven. Departments. And for the year to [1:24:34] date, we responded to 199 calls for service. That's my [1:24:40] report. Excellent. Thank you for the update. Any questions or [1:24:46] comments from members of council? No seeing that. Mr. Larmer, [1:24:51] do you have anything to update us on? Yeah, I'll [1:24:55] just briefly give stats from the municipal law enforcement department [1:24:59] for just the month. Of January. So we're at 92 [1:25:01] calls for service January. So these are calls received from [1:25:05] the public and acted upon by our officers. And just [1:25:08] to let everyone know, the officers right now. Are scheduled [1:25:11] almost a full 24 hours a day on separate shifts. [1:25:15] So the public can call the bylaw line or the [1:25:18] main number and get bylaw. And they can proceed with [1:25:21] their complaint. It will be lodged and will be dispatched [1:25:23] to officers. So just for everyone knows that they can [1:25:27] call any time of the day, report any municipal law. [1:25:29] Enforcement. Issue. We have issued 157 administrative monitor penalties today. [1:25:36] So 150. Sorry. As of today's date, 150. Parking, and [1:25:40] then seven other bylaw and fractions. We've issued 237 licensing [1:25:44] events, so. We've been quite busy in that department, and [1:25:46] through amps we've conducted already. 17 screenings in the month [1:25:49] of January. So our numbers will be up from amps [1:25:50] that we reported for 2020. Three. And just one last [1:25:54] highlight I would like to just say is that the [1:25:57] bylaw department for Koberg is an active participant in the [1:26:00] Eastern Regional Regulatory hub, which is a group of individuals [1:26:03] from different ministries, agencies and authorities. They come together every [1:26:06] six weeks, and our manager sits on that. Discuss top [1:26:08] of mind issues and commonalities and how regulatory enforcement services [1:26:13] delivered. And I think this is a good step the [1:26:15] province has done in order to get a lot of [1:26:17] like minded municipal law enforcement agencies together to discuss issues. [1:26:22] So the issues right now is a date that we've [1:26:24] been part of is building public trust in response to [1:26:27] protests. Misinformation antigovernment, and sediment addressing sector challenges so involving [1:26:33] move. Movement of access contained soil and rideshare services, so [1:26:37] delivering bait products to miners is a big one as [1:26:40] well, too, which we're working the province to assist for [1:26:43] that unlicensed. Businesses, so involving illegal online sales of food [1:26:47] and tobacco, as well as home based businesses and then [1:26:50] the sharing information portion, receiving referrals, tips related to labor [1:26:54] trafficking. And then heads up alerts for officer safety and [1:26:56] best practices. And then in regards to program delivery through [1:26:59] discussions with the ministries. It's involving creation of new compliance [1:27:02] programs, policies improving compliance outcomes using behavioral insights. So this [1:27:07] whole program, or whole participation has the ability to share [1:27:10] knowledge, resources access training and build capacity for collab. Collaboration. [1:27:15] And we feel, and as discussed with the manager, this [1:27:18] is a real valuable asset to the town. To be [1:27:19] part of this group provincial wide. So that is all [1:27:22] I have to report. Excellent. Are there any questions from [1:27:26] members of council? Great seeing none. I believe that is [1:27:32] all the updates from staff. Perfect. So at this time, [1:27:36] I'm going to call for adjournment. That's at two minutes [1:27:40] to eleven. Pretty good.