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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Action on minutes.

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I read through and didn't

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find anything of value.

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I didn't find anything.

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I'll make a motion of approval.
>> I'll second.

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» All those
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I.
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» Motion carried.

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All right, Mr. Rainwater.
>> Yes, sir.

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Okay, so this is just

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I think this is
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this uh
the zoning officer came to us and said

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he has a fence inside of conservation
easement inside of the new development.

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He doesn't have a problem with it, but
technically we need to approve it.

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That's
that's just the gist of it. I don't see

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any problems with it, so
>> Is there anything you want to add to

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that or
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questions for me, I mean I can answer
anything you have there. I just

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submitted these forms that they they
pictures so you kind of get an idea what

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you're looking at there.
>> And it's it's conservation easement?

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» Yeah, it's um
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It's what they they basically
basically drain.

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» Yeah, it's their common area, but his
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» And this is the fence?
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It's been a Yeah, and I I want to put
the fence You can see on the one picture

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down towards the bottom you can see the
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» Wait, so you want to move the fence
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of my property, which is right
>> Your property overlaps with the

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easement.
>> It runs back about 20 ft off the

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conservation area into my property.
And what I'd asked is I want to move the

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fence back. When I was first when we
first moved in there, where you see the

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fence now, it's pretty much where we
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» Right.
>> We were told about 2 months ago that

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nope, it's down at the bottom of the
hill. Your property ends about 3 4 ft

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before you can see all the high grass
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» This is your property line here.
>> Yes, as we know it now.

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» Correct.
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» And I'd like to just move it down to the
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look at the plot plan, you can see
there's a 20 ft building easement from

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there. And I just want to go down to the
bottom and ask to put a fence there. And

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you can I have a picture in our house of
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So you can see that it's not a solid
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runoff.
I've been there since October. It does

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not get wet down there.
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there for any reason. But like you had
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know, this is what happens. But I want
to use the property.

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» Right.
So one thing I've done in other

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townships is I've I've just prepared
very simple agreement that basically

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just says that you understand that it's
in the easement, that you're kind of

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holding the township harmless from
anything. And then if for any reason

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there needed to be access to that via
for whatever reason, that basically

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you're saying you understand that.
It's [clears throat] they're relatively

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simple and straightforward. I've done
those in other townships.

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» Yeah, that's fine.
>> You would be okay with that?

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» Yeah, and the gentleman from Dependable
right here, he he had mentioned that to

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me. He said you may write something like
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ever happen and you got to be down
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move that.
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easement, but
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if
if it were utility easement, typically

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what I say is you know the homeowner
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utility needs to get in there and they
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not doing it. Yeah.
>> So it would just be a simple agreement.

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» And that's up to you guys whether you
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[clears throat] here, I'm not 100%
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is there another way to access this to
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» You Oh yeah, you can. You can
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» So like this side so on this side on
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top down photo?
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this way.
I guess you could. Yeah.

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» You can You'd have to drive across the
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other development the other street.
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off of the road that goes to the sewer
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with the tractors and mowers.
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» Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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» Yeah, they can they can get in there.
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[clears throat] on that side.
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» Yeah, they've never
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like Yeah, yeah, that's why I said I
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go back here but if you did, you know.
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get him to
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» A simple agreement probably makes more
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» You know,
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don't mark the
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you know, if you sell it or what
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» down the road it would be nice to have
>> Yeah. There you

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» where nobody had anything
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» Right. They don't know if this
conversation ever happened.

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» Yeah, I understand that.
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the house and then
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a common area that's
our management association.

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» [laughter]
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them about.
That will help me just in drafting it.

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» Set up myself for a
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can get in and keep it maintained.
It looks like it's easier to get in.

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» Oh, yeah. Absolutely. It's

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» It's kind of interesting like as far as
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HOA or it's not established yet. And
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responsible.
>> Sorry.

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» No, I
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» Sorry.
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all roads, sidewalks, and common areas.
And it it's a bit of a bear to hunt.

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» So, it's not established? Just so I know
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Angrily.
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» So were we.
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» That's a whole 'nother conversation.
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» No, I was told by Bella Terra that it's
not established. They are building their

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kitty for when it is established. They
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throw it all over you guys, I guess, to
do all the work.

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» Okay.
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» I don't know. I've told I've been told
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» Yeah, me too. Okay.
>> So, the only question the only other

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question I would have is the the
conservation easement is um just that to

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keep it in in conservation. There's no
requirement that it had to be in some

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sort of grass or high grass or anything
like that with the

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» All I'm I'm going off of
what I've got here in front of me. And

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it looks like
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» Is there anything on your deed that says
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» No, that I know of. Just that plot plan
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It says there at the top when the plot
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building, putting things, trees, fences,
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says otherwise.
>> Right.

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» So, if you guys are approved
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they do that for people to get in and
maintain it, which

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we would never If I had to maintain it,
I'd never go in that way.

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I would go in the other side.
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» We've been there.

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» But I was going to say that you'd seen
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the only thing that guy mows is you can
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between that and where it's high that he
was the one mowing down there and leaves

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because everything else the conservation
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they're uh
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right up against it. Mine's the only one
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conservation area a little bit, about 3
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» And the last [snorts]
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mowing with them,
>> Mhm.

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» none of those were built yet.
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» was That was just open land, too. And it
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» It's real high.
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» Got you.
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» So a simple agreement
>> Yep.

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» And
do we [snorts] need to vote for that?

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» Yeah, it would probably be good, yeah.
>> Well, I'll make a motion that we approve

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it and
sign an agreement so that we can have

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this finished.
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I'll get working on it.
>> Thank you.

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» All those in
>> I'll make a motion that we approve this

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and sign
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» Motion carried.
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that push mower, did you?
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» Yeah.
>> I did the whole thing with that. It'll

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be so much nicer when this is done.
>> It's so much easier. You have no idea.

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» Could you just write your number and
your email if you have one?

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» Yeah, sure.
>> So you can you send it to me?

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>> Yep.

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» Yeah, and then you'll get yours.
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So the other
The other question I have with this

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maintenance agreement, may I
Who do we like hold it to or something?

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» Thank you.
>> Who would we

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» Yeah, so
>> I had a question like that.

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» Thank you.
>> Have a good night.

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» You too, actually.
>> Thank you so much.

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» Thank you.
>> Can I Should we actually hold that in

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the
>> Yeah. You should put it in there.

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» I should have done that. Yeah. Yeah.
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>> I didn't put it within like their

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» That's all I was asking.
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» Thank you.
>> Carolyn?

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» Um I have a question.
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Salado revisions
did not they were approved to go to the

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planning commission and never made it to
the planning commission. Your county.

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version went in?
Was it the ones with

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» I thought
I thought you said you sent it.

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» I did, but I want to make sure that if
whatever I sent

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is what Jess understood
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the final version. I
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correctly what was supposed to come out
and that's what I want to make sure. It

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was It was minor and and so
if if if if we have sent the I'm still

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waiting for Jess to get back to me on
that, but if we have sent the wrong

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thing, I will send an update because
planning commission isn't going to hear

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it until when, Lily?
>> August.

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» August.
>> Your county?

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» Yeah.
>> She said it wouldn't be on their agenda

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until August.
>> So, if and and it'll it'll be a one-page

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switch out if if
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Okay. It was
all this time the only change was

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supposed to be
put in subdivision.

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There was a whole 'nother sentence added
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were going to be given back.
>> The only thing that Jessica the to my

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understanding the only thing that
Jessica was

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» [snorts]
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taking out the word adverse and
substituting it with

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subdivided or something like that. I
don't have it in front of me.

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» But that's not what happened.
>> I will I'll I'll look at it. I'll I'll

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I'll
Shoot me a reminder tomorrow and I'll

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» discussed this.
>> I I know we have. I know we have and I I

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don't have it in front of me, but if you
send me a reminder tomorrow I'll follow

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up with Jessica
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ask her to get back in touch with me and
we'll make sure that we've got the right

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the right
language in in the

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in the definition. Cuz that's what
you're talking about, right? You're

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talking about the definition.
I I will

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just send me a reminder tomorrow and
I'll I'll follow up and ask her.

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The last thing that I did was send her
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her. So I'll follow up with her.
>> Well, I know I had said that there were

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other issues with the definition of
traffic, but in the Sal bill and

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the
zoning and if you're going to change the

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definition in one,
you have to have the other one

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at the exact same time
or there's going to be a problem.

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» Okay.
>> The planning commission is short one

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member
for two months now.

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It's not on the agenda tonight, either.

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» I haven't heard the big need for a fifth
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» So you're not replacing?
>> I'm sure they will in time.

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» Don't you think you should do it now
while all the revisions are going on so

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this person knows what's going on?
>> I don't think it would matter one way or

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the other. Either they come in new or
later on down the road, they would still

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learn the process.
>> Because right now you have four members.

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One of them might know what's going on.
One.

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» [snorts]

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» You don't have a single member that can
actually explain

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» That is
>> works.

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» Were you at the last planning commission
meeting?

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» I was enjoying it from my sofa.
>> Did you hear it?

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» I did.

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» You had an engineer actually say he does
not know now whether our ordinance is

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legal or not.
>> Yes.

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» I have been attending meetings for over
10 years. I have never heard that. Now

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we're doing a subdivision
revision. Can I bluntly ask

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who are these changes
favoring?

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» As far as I'm concerned, the entire
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» The engineer also made a comment saying
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» [clears throat]
>> with a recent subdivision, if we would

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be following that every letter of the
ordinance,

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the subdivision plan should have a line
removed and tracks joined. Are we

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following every letter of the ordinance
or we picking and choosing as to?

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» There There's no picking and choosing.

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Getting back to the
vacancy.

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» I thought we did at one of these we
spoke about, but I thought we were going

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to take application.
>> Yeah, advertise for resumes and things

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like that.
>> So you haven't done it. And my my

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question is why not? I mean, you
discussed it and you haven't

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if

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» Yeah, I've for myself I've been kind of
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spending a lot of time on this whole
data center thing for myself. It has

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been a lot going on. But I I
>> whole data data center thing goes back

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to the planning commission.
Who is basically in charge of keeping

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this township looking the way it does.

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» It's all and the the township has run on
four and three at times, haven't it?

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» Yeah.
>> So, that's right.

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» For just not as an official decision not
to have a five-member board.

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I mean, it sounds like Brandon has made
a decision that we only need a

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» There's been no decision. There's been
no speak of it. People are busy.

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There's a lot more other things going
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» Yeah, that's probably likely.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.
>> I mean, you have applications

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from the previous time.
>> We do.

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» And if I understand, there was seven of
them. So, you simply go to the pile

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that's already there.
>> We go to the pile and we re-advertise as

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well.
It's the same as a regular job

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application if you came to be an
employee here.

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And that's how it'll be.
>> And

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are you voting not to do that or are you
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» Well, there's nothing on the agenda to
go either way. So,

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I
Do we do we

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» Do we have
>> Do we even have to vote on that, maybe?

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» No, I mean, you
you could you could tonight, if you

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wanted to, say by consensus we're going
to accept applications.

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It's perfectly fine.
>> Now, how do you normally go about it?

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Does do they you just put it out on uh
>> I mean, this isn't

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» Facebook I mean this isn't something
that you

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» Nope, it doesn't require any public
advertising, legal public advertising or

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anything like that. It can just be
word-of-mouth. It can be posted on

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Facebook, you know, however you want to
do it.

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» No solicitations.
>> Yep.

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Yep.
>> Well, then I'll make a motion that we we

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advertise for it.
>> I'll second it.

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» All those in favor give their consent.
>> Saying I.

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» I.
>> Motion carried.

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» Thank you.
>> There we go.

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Anything else, Carol?
>> No.

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» Kim Roberts.
>> I have a public comment. So, will the

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public be given Will we be able to speak
to the different items as we go through

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them, or do we need to speak up now?

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» Are [clears throat] you
Okay, if you want to speak on an agenda

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item,
you can speak now through public

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comments.
>> But will we be given a chance to speak

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» If it's something that we vote on, yes.
So, if it's

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uh
a data center ordinance amendment, if we

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were to make a motion, there will always
be a spot afterwards before the vote

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takes place for comments.
>> Okay, then I guess we have some

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comments.
>> Okay.

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» [clears throat]
>> Uh we'll start at the bottom of the data

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center ordinance.
So,

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our solicitor mentioned that it'd be
able to have this done in 2 months. Uh

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so, I guess I need to ask now, are we on
track?

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» I never I I said
>> Yes, you did, Andy. You said that in

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front of 750 people.
>> Okay, let's go back and watch it.

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» 300 people here and then 750 online.
>> Okay. You can go back and watch it. I'll

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go back and watch it. That's fine. What
I said is that from the time that it

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» people here heard Andy say he'll have it
done in 2 months?

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Am I the only one?

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» He said he could. He said he could.
>> Okay, you could have it done in 2

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months. So, where are we at?
>> That was the timeline you were given.

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» Where are we at?
>> 2 months.

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» So, it's
Why are you looking at me? Because I'm

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so done with this. You know, let me tell
you. Let me just say, I am the solicitor

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for this township. These three men tell
me what they want me to do, okay? I am

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not the one that says, "Here, this is
what you all should be voting on." They

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tell me what they want me to draft and
what they want to vote on. I am not the

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person that sets the policy for this
township. There a lot of people seem to

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get that all mixed up last month. There
was a whole lot of misinformation

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floating around online. I do not set the
policy for this township. They set the

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policy. If they want me to write
something into a legal format, I'm happy

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to do it.
>> Okay, so somebody's dropping the ball

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because what continually happens is on
this side of the table, we hear that

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stuff's going to happen, it gets talked
about, and then the can gets kicked down

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the road. Month after month after month.
So, how do we change the process so

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stuff starts happening?
>> You run.

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Get elected.

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» And that's also why it's on the agenda
tonight.

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To continue moving forward with it.
>> But you just said that if you got to the

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point where you're going to vote on it,
but you didn't vote on it, then we can't

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speak about it. So, I want to speak
about it.

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» Why are you still looking at me? So, you
look at me like I RUN THIS MEETING.

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EVERYBODY HERE LAST MONTH WAS LOOKING at
me like I run this meeting. I don't run

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this meeting. These three men run this
meeting.

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» But Andy, they take your opinion, draft
it, and you say something. So, it's not

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that you don't run the meeting. They
have they take your opinion because you

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are the legal guy. So, you say whatever,
and they say, "Okay, that's okay." They

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take it.
>> is law.

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There is law and there is law and there
is policy. If they have a legal

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question, I will offer my legal advice.
Then there is policy. They set the

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policy.
>> So, you don't skate around the law at

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all.
>> What are you talking about?

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» You don't give your opinion of what you
would do

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for any
>> No, I I give

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» You don't Okay.
>> I give my advice as to what is legal.

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I give my advice as to what is
>> On the borderline, I get it. Okay.

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» I give my advice as to what is
>> So, we talked about we were using we're

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going to add more teeth to the dance
ordinance. And

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I'm I believe you mentioned that you
were going to start drafting another

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ordinance.
>> No, I didn't. No, I didn't say that.

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» Do you guys Are you guys going to
request that we get a new ordinance

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drafted with more teeth?
>> I I myself have numerous things to

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discuss tonight. One of the data center
as it is data center ordinance

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amendments. I have
>> I just think because we don't get a

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chance to speak.
I want to say something now. So, the

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next item is
the budget discussion. So, I I don't

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think you'll be
passing anything on that tonight, but

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so you guys passed the budget in January
at the reorganization meeting.

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And
at that time it was discussed that there

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would be no more hiring of additional
people. And now we've hired another

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full-time employee. How are we going to
make meet that budget without raising

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taxes? Is that going to be talked about?
>> Budgets aren't set in stone. They move

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around. It's a good idea. That's all
that a budget is.

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» Well, I understand that, but when you
hire somebody

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for an entire [clears throat] year
>> If I had to follow a budget every year,

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you'd be amazed at what didn't get done.
>> Okay. So, if you're in business

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» [clears throat]
>> This isn't a business. This is a

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government organization.

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» Yeah, try being in business for yourself
once before you say that. Next thing on

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the item is discussing authorizing
solicitors to

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advertise and place of elected auditors
with professional auditors.

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So,
my opinion on this side of the table

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is no.
These folks were elected by the people.

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And my opinion they've done the right
thing.

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And by getting a professional in here
a paid professional in here to do the

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audit, which has already been
established that an audit has never

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really been done
in the Doylestown ship. I mean, the

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previous auditors told us that. Never
really been done. So, these ladies did

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the right thing and now we're going to
talk about getting rid of

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I do it for them.
My say is to get the stack. I'd like to

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hear what everybody else has to say
about that.

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» I think the key word there is discuss.

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» And nothing's set in stone.
>> Okay, but we can't discuss You just told

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me I can't discuss it unless you just go
to a vote. So, I wanted to make those

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comments before you get into it because
we can't say anything unless you go to a

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vote.
>> You're already being allowed past 3

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minutes of public comment, so
>> Public comment is 5

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» Public comment is what we set it at.
>> Public comment was set at 5 minutes.

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» Anyway, thank you, both of you.
>> Thank you.

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» Okay, I
would like to add outside of

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Okay, um
to discuss the auditors performing the

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audit of the previous secretary.
I am in major favor of that.

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Simply because
the state that

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my personal property file that was left
in by the previous secretary

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I was told it was pulled.
It was in piles

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and they didn't even know if all the
records were there.

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The records were not there. I don't know
You were there. The file literally was

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in piles across the table.
Um I'm still waiting to see what was in

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the destruction files that she had
placed. And also last May

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and not the first time, but several
times, she has falsified the meeting

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minutes.
She literally put into minutes stuff

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that never was discussed.
So, if that's the stuff that was going

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on here in the simple everyday stuff,
I'm all in favor of her books being

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audited from the day she began.

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» Okay.

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Anybody else?
John?

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» Uh getting back to the data center, I
just had a couple quick questions.

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Um
obviously, there's many residents around

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here that looked at ordinances and
wanted to see certain changes of wording

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um
some stuff added, stuff like that.

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What's the process going to be? I mean,
are we going to be able to submit

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um ideas to you guys and have you review
them and help decide what gets changed

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in your ordinance?
>> I really don't think that's a bad idea.

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» Well, I kind of thought that's what we
were I mean

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» Yeah.
>> Okay. That's a

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» Cuz I mean, I I know I I'm sure you I
you said you has ideas. I know I have

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ideas that I want to add to it.
>> So, I know I talked to several residents

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um and uh they are interested in
submitting ideas and uh obviously, some

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of them are going to be the same with
everybody. There are some

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» All right.
>> that we want to have changed.

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» Just so everybody is aware.
You cannot one I'm just going to throw

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this out there.
Uh one thing that you cannot do is you

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cannot mandate that a
data center utilize LEED certified,

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become LEED certified, or anything like
that. Okay? There was a lot of

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discussion about the wording about
strongly suggest. The The only place

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where it says strongly suggest is is
strongly suggesting that environmental

436
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:58,640
best practices be used or environmental
green building

437
00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:01,760
practices that's lead lead certified,
okay?

438
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:07,840
You can't mandate that legally
that somebody go and and utilize lead.

439
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:11,600
So, you know, it to the best of my
knowledge I think the only place that

440
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:14,480
strongly suggests this use
and and you can just take that out all

441
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:18,280
together.
You don't have to suggest that.

442
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,280
» Well, we'll we'll we'll
>> Yeah.

443
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,400
» Correct it.
>> I think you'll get a comment about that.

444
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:27,160
» Getting back to your I mean I like I
said I do have a list.

445
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,520
I kept notes of all the people and it
was was thankful for everybody came out.

446
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,893
It was uh
quite

447
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:37,160
informative. Um
>> [clears throat]

448
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:43,080
» and I I don't know and I I know we went
through the time frame of we we make the

449
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,200
suggestions for the amendments. We vote
on it.

450
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,400
» Yep.
>> Does it have to go to York County?

451
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,680
» Yes. So, this is a zoning situation.
>> Let me just Let me

452
00:27:49,614 --> 00:27:53,840
» [snorts]
>> Let me just finish, but I'm and I was

453
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:57,360
aware that you you kind of gave a
timeline of 2 months. You gave that

454
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:02,720
timeline of 2 months that we could have
the the ordinance amended.

455
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:05,760
Now, my only question is is that there's
some things that if

456
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,919
there's some things I think are very
important need to be amended right away.

457
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:13,480
I don't know that it needs to go and
[clears throat] and not to take away

458
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,880
their opinion and I
of the planning commission, but some

459
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:22,800
things I think if they were amended the
sooner the better just for the

460
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,720
uh
for the betterment for the health and

461
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:30,440
welfare of the community.
Um but all these other ideas I think we

462
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:35,520
should still we continue to continue to
generate, but that meeting was was very

463
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:38,680
informative. Um I know I asked Lily cuz
you had suggested about putting together

464
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:43,800
a
web not a web page, but an email

465
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,920
and she said originally you had gotten a
few at the beginning, right?

466
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,960
» I think I only got two. I think it was
>> Some 200.

467
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,920
» positive, but some of them were
positive.

468
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:57,320
» Most were complaints, but there was two
positive giving suggestions, yes.

469
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,760
» And then it kind of just it kind of just
stalled out. So,

470
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,360
um
I mean

471
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,640
» So, so the the only thing that I would
say about timeline, timing, and

472
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:08,600
everything is that because this is a
zoning ordinance, anytime that you

473
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:13,240
change a zoning ordinance, it has to be
done pursuant to public notice. So,

474
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,920
there has to be legal advertising twice
in the newspaper,

475
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:20,800
uh and then we have to have that
hearing, right? So, unlike an ordinary

476
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:23,720
ordinance where you can advertise So, if
you wanted to

477
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:28,920
uh put an ordinance [clears throat] in
place that said uh that uh a noise

478
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,280
ordinance, for example, right? A noise
ordinance is what we call health,

479
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:35,800
safety, welfare ordinance. Uh that would
have to be advertised one one time once

480
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,720
uh
uh

481
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:42,640
at least 1 week in advance of the hear
or of the of the meeting. It doesn't

482
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:47,040
require a hearing. It just requires
consideration at the public meeting. The

483
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:51,360
hearing, as you all remember last time
we had this stenographer,

484
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:55,360
that has to be advertised twice. You
have to have the stenographer. Prior to

485
00:29:53,400 --> 00:30:00,720
that, it has to go to the uh York County
Planning Commission. So, there are more

486
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:03,320
steps in the process, which every time
um

487
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:07,040
you know, and you can do this as many
times as you want, but every single time

488
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:11,560
you do it, you have to restart those
steps, go through all of those steps,

489
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:15,120
and that just adds
cost, [snorts] frankly. And and time.

490
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,520
» if we can agree on a list of what we
want changed,

491
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,240
and you make the amendments,
>> Yep.

492
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,600
» and next month we vote on it.
You you rewrite it. Next month we vote

493
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,520
on it.
>> Mhm.

494
00:30:24,195 --> 00:30:27,160
» [clears throat]
>> And we send it to York County Planning

495
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,560
Commission.
>> Mhm.

496
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,320
» We could still be on close to that
2-month time.

497
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,520
» Yeah, two I mean two it it it may not
always hit two months. It may be three

498
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,200
months. I mean it's
>> It's close.

499
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,960
» Let's clarify this. We already voted in
an ordinance, all right?

500
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:45,640
» Mhm.
>> Now we want to amend it. And I think

501
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:49,800
Andy, you just said before we can
approve the amendments, we have to have

502
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,400
another public hearing.
>> Correct.

503
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,360
» Okay. So, you can't just vote on it next
month. You have to have the public

504
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,440
hearing before
>> Well, no. I think what Jason was saying

505
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,440
is vote on vote
>> What what to put in.

506
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,080
» Yeah, vote on what we put in and have me
make the

507
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:09,480
» Once he makes the draft.
>> What I What I meant was vote after the

508
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:13,200
draft that we we approve the draft that
you drew up.

509
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:17,160
We we vote on the amendments tonight.
And then you vote on the You write the

510
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:20,080
draft, we vote on the draft next month.
>> Yep.

511
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,440
» To stay in that 2-month timeline.
>> Give or take. [clears throat]

512
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,840
» Right.
>> Doesn't have to go back to your county

513
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:28,600
planning commission? So, you have to
have that turned around because is it 2

514
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,840
weeks?
Well, you have to have it to them

515
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:36,200
» Yeah, I mean I don't know exactly. Yeah,
it's it's some of it depends on what

516
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:41,320
their deadlines are, right? When when
when you vote to send it to the planning

517
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:48,360
commission, it has to get there by a
certain time. So, it's

518
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:50,720
it's not an exact 60 days.
>> Correct.

519
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:56,440
» She wrote She Sharon wrote back to us,
to Lilly and I, and asked if they could

520
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,240
have until August. We didn't think it
was

521
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,160
» Because of the holiday it was short
notice. She did not want to miss

522
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:05,720
anything. She wanted to be thorough. So,
that's why she has to push it.

523
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:11,840
» So, one one last question. So,
um what exactly does the York County

524
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,800
Planning Commission do when we submit
the ordinance ordinances? And you don't

525
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,120
have to go into any great detail. I'm
just [snorts] curious.

526
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:22,200
Yeah, what are they doing? Approving it?
>> No, they're making recommendations.

527
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,920
» Okay. So, they review it and say, "Oh,
well, you might want to change this."

528
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,760
» Correct.
>> And then

529
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:29,000
» Yeah, they give us their comments.
>> Or if we put something crazy in there

530
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:33,960
that wasn't
that they you can't all right do that.

531
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,600
» But we do not necessarily have to follow
their draft.

532
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,160
» Correct. We do not [snorts] have to
follow

533
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,080
» I noticed that we had
a few things different and there was

534
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,680
some stuff that was admitted.
>> It's just recommendations.

535
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,200
» Okay, cool.
Thank you.

536
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,960
» Yes, Bob.
>> One thing I'd like to say about any

537
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:55,080
amendments, you should take into
consideration the word performance for

538
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:58,960
data center. You should definitely
definitely

539
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:02,480
yes because
I'm my Springs is less than a half mile

540
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:07,240
away from here. I don't want to want to
win and bring everybody to our area.

541
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,840
» Well, just to set your mind at ease, one
of my ideas is

542
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:15,720
making [snorts] them either be air
cooled or closed loop cooling to which

543
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:18,680
they do not need water from the ground
period.

544
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:22,840
» There's actually a really good ordinance
in Scott County up in Western

545
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:26,480
Pennsylvania that addresses how they can
use well water and stuff like that.

546
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,000
» Yeah, cuz I know they have the
technology, but they don't like to use

547
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,200
it because it costs more.
>> The other thing that

548
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:38,840
» Just so you know about closed loop water
systems, they still in a data center

549
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:45,120
they'll still use as much water as
anywhere from 65 to like 165

550
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:49,680
single family homes. So even if they're
in a closed loop water system, that data

551
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:53,960
center is going to use a lot of water.
>> That's just what evaporates.

552
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:58,160
» Yeah, that's just for
and all their other stuff they use it

553
00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:00,640
for cleaning and maintaining and
bathrooms and faucets and all that

554
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,640
stuff.
>> like to see it that they just can't do

555
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,680
it.
I don't know if that's possible. That's

556
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,679
what our current
Yeah, but that's what that's one of my

557
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,800
biggest ones.
>> One of the things I would just say is

558
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,879
that
there

559
00:34:12,793 --> 00:34:17,000
» [clears throat and cough]
>> this has started to get a lot of

560
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:20,360
movement very quickly on the state
level.

561
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:23,919
And
there may be some things coming

562
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,399
» coming
>> Yeah.

563
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:29,720
» Yeah, they actually approved a couple
things that would really help us.

564
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:31,720
» Well, they're they're moving they're
moving toward it. All right, yes,

565
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,280
correct.
>> Right. Yeah.

566
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:39,159
» I think if I'm correct, too, there was a
bill in uh maybe it maybe it fell apart

567
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,120
to actually put a moratorium on for 100
days.

568
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,919
» still going on.
>> Still going on.

569
00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:48,360
» They're looking to push that
which is basically the purpose behind

570
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:51,320
that is to allow townships to do what we
just did. Okay.

571
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,840
» Have time
>> Have the time to do what we just did.

572
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,600
That's right.
>> We're moving in the correct direction,

573
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,880
though.
>> Yeah.

574
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,960
So.
>> Thank you, Bob.

575
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,960
» Hopefully.

576
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,880
Anyone else?
>> Just

577
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,400
» Dave.
>> Oh.

578
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,400
» Dave.

579
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:14,000
» Do you like curse [snorts] your name
that blasphemes and glorifies seared

580
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:17,400
conscience and not the poles?
We ask Father lights the blood of your

581
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:21,600
son sacrificed for our sins through your
spirit by tongues of fire rest here. You

582
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,280
want us to believe you.
For our struggle is not against flesh

583
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,560
and blood, but against the rulers,
against the authorities, against powers

584
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,160
of this dark world, and against the
spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly

585
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:34,040
realm.
We have seen men burn, die, be shot,

586
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:39,760
crushed, died in hospital in any number
of ways, and even blood has been shed in

587
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:43,920
our township and far from here. 50,000
troops are in the region where Daniel

588
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:47,120
prayed and received his response.
And he said to me, "Fear not, Daniel,

589
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,720
but from the first day that you set your
heart understand and humble yourself

590
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:54,000
before your God, your words have been
heard and I have come because of your

591
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,840
words. The prince of the kingdom of
Persia withstood me 21 days, but

592
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,200
Michael, one of the chief angels, came
to help me for I was left there with the

593
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:04,280
king of Persia."
You didn't make us wait for your

594
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:08,720
response. We prayed for protection, you
gave us peace. Citizens came out to

595
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,800
educate the representatives, and now we
bring tonight more items before your

596
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,160
throne.
"If my people which are called by my

597
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,240
name shall humble themselves and pray
and seek my face and turn from their

598
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:22,240
wicked ways, then will I hear from
heaven and will forgive their sins and

599
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:25,560
will heal their land. Now my eyes will
open, my ears are

600
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,560
attentive to the prayers offered in this
place.

601
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:32,680
Whosoever conceals his transgressions
will not prosper, but he who confesses

602
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:36,200
and forsakes them will obtain mercy.
Will receive mercy. Father God, cleanse

603
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:40,520
our ground with the sacrifice of your
son. Give wisdom to the men that occupy

604
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:44,360
the seats of authority and banish the
evil that seeks to own power and rule in

605
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,440
darkness. We thank you for the people
who came out last month. We seek your

606
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,960
peaceful kingdom even to be in our
midst, holy Father. You see

607
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:56,160
what we have written in tonight's
agenda, but what's more, you read what

608
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:59,640
is written in our hearts. May we make
decisions that please you, and as we

609
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:03,360
walk with you, we declare your
protection.

610
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:07,680
Close keep us from evil. Protect our
elected officials. Make our troops

611
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,680
difficult prey for evil and cover them
in your presence. Amen.

612
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,000
» Hey.

613
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,440
What
>> I just had a question on budget. Um

614
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:20,960
I have no idea what you're planning on
talking about with it, but just an idea

615
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:26,280
since you have an extra Kuwaiti that's
40 hours a week, would it be possible

616
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:29,120
internally to start mowing at the park?
>> Um

617
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,760
» To save some money.
>> Honestly, no.

618
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,840
Not right now.
Not with the workload that's on.

619
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,920
Maybe in the future when things are a
little better caught up, but honestly I

620
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:43,560
can't see that happening with the way
things degrade. Every time something is

621
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:48,400
finished or completed, something new
arises. And to be perfectly honest with

622
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:52,520
you, the last 2 weeks, the amount of
work that we've gotten done is

623
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:57,360
amazing.
But it's still coming on fast. So, at

624
00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:00,360
this time, I would say no.
But

625
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:03,880
» What That was discussed.
>> It was discussed. It was discussed. But

626
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:08,000
I
with the amount of time that it would

627
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:13,680
take and the way things are here, I
mean, maybe down the road if things calm

628
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:17,280
down, but I don't see it coming right
now.

629
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,840
» And I have a a question. What what was
the purpose of the scraping of the

630
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,560
edges?
>> Drainage.

631
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,400
» Okay.
>> If you look at all the roads.

632
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:29,960
» It hasn't been done for a while.
>> And it's why it's broken off the

633
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,960
» Yes.

634
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,600
» So that's that's where it ends though.
You just

635
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:37,640
» With the with the grass up on there, it
holds the water on the wall.

636
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,520
» It is it's it's it's a standard road
maintenance practice.

637
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,400
» I just want to say thank you guys get
the trees off the road and fast. I

638
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,760
appreciate it.
>> You're welcome.

639
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:58,920
» In effort to keep on the agenda
why can't you allow just allow the

640
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:03,440
comments to happen
when the agenda item is up?

641
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:07,880
Cuz it
because you have all these things you

642
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:12,360
want to discuss with the data center, it
got ugly real quick just because nobody

643
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:18,520
knows what you're going to talk about.
So why not you just allow public comment

644
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:22,840
when it
is time instead of cuz you're just

645
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,160
» I think we can talk about that. So you
can get your own

646
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,720
» I mean thank you. That's not written in
the

647
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:32,920
» The only thing that happened Carolyn and
you you know you've been enough to

648
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:36,960
enough
when these discussions turn into 45

649
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:40,480
minutes and it's the same thing that
something gets talked about for that's

650
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,572
what this was about.
>> Yeah.

651
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:45,640
» to me.
>> [laughter]

652
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,920
» What now you? It's all all this stuff
that just goes

653
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:51,320
I mean
that's what it's that's what it was

654
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:55,520
about.
>> Well, and some of these topics should go

655
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,280
on for 45
>> Exactly. I'm not saying that but I am

656
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:04,240
saying
>> the way to be out of a meeting within 45

657
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:07,200
minutes like we have, I mean the
township deserves better.

658
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,480
» Yeah.
>> It's like we said that the other

659
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,600
that hearing was awesome.
>> Mhm.

660
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:19,080
» Yeah.
>> And it was well run and thank you.

661
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,080
Okay.

662
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,080
» Is there anyone else?
>> Except I don't run the meetings.

663
00:40:23,527 --> 00:40:28,800
» [laughter]
>> It was a hearing that was completely

664
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,160
different and without having it under
control from the beginning.

665
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,040
» Thank you.
>> All right, we're going to move on.

666
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:38,880
So,
discussion of the elected auditors

667
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:41,560
performing the audit of the previous
secretary.

668
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,400
» Okay.
>> I was reading.

669
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:47,640
» Oh, okay.
>> I have prepared notes just because I

670
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,840
don't want to lose track.
Um in recent years the people of the

671
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:54,560
Doylestown Township have lost confidence
in their elected officials and with the

672
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,800
new board and new auditors we finally
have the opportunity to reassure

673
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:02,800
residents that their money is being
spent wisely. We all campaigned on the

674
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:07,920
platform of transparency and
accountability accountability.

675
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:11,240
Since I have become involved in Township
matters, I have met resistance from many

676
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:15,080
directions.
Um most recently after being elected to

677
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:18,960
become an auditor, the previous
secretary did everything she could to

678
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:25,520
keep me from performing my duties. I
left phone messages, I emailed her, and

679
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:28,160
I got zero response. She did not respond
at all.

680
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,680
She failed to show up at our
organizational meeting and we were

681
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:36,000
locked out. We couldn't even get in the
building. So, fortunately Jason was

682
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:40,520
here, he let us in.
Um she ignored all the requests that we

683
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:44,440
made to provide the documents that we
needed, which caused delays in our

684
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:49,960
organizational meeting and our setting
of the the salaries. We She just She

685
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:53,120
just didn't respond. And then she quit.
And the question is why? Why do you

686
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:57,280
think she quit?
Um I believe we have justifiable reason

687
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:01,640
to audit the accounts that she had
access to in more detail.

688
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:05,800
As elected auditors, we were the ones
who originally recommended a CPA be

689
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:09,080
hired to assist the auditors in
providing a clear picture of the

690
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:12,840
Township financial records.
Unfortunately, every intention we had of

691
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:17,880
providing transparency and
accountability has been blocked. The CPA

692
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:21,800
made it very clear that she works for
the Board of Supervisors and that her

693
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,640
recommendations were not to be shared
with the public.

694
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:29,760
Attempts were made to prevent us from
even seeing the final reports or

695
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:33,320
attending the CPA presentation and after
proving we had a right to review these

696
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,120
documents, we were told we couldn't ask
questions.

697
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:40,800
Now the Board of Supervisors is
recommending that the elected auditors

698
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:45,760
be replaced with a CPA. We don't object
to a CPA performing the audit. The issue

699
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:49,280
is if there's some uncertainty of what
was uncovered during an audit,

700
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,920
then the elected auditors should be
allowed to investigate those

701
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:55,800
discrepancies.
It's not uncommon for PA Townships to

702
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,680
allow CPAs and auditors to work in
conjunction with each other and the law

703
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:03,040
provides this option.
Um I have an excerpt here from an

704
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:07,360
article written by a man named Nate
Covington who was looking into some of

705
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:10,520
these um issues.
Um

706
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:14,400
and this is what he wrote about
Townships that collaborate with the

707
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:18,800
CPAs. When the audit is complete, the
auditors receive a PDF copy via email

708
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:22,400
from the Township and they are invited
to attend the meetings between the CPA

709
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:26,800
firm and the supervisors to go over the
audit. At these meetings, the auditors

710
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:30,000
can ask questions and if the auditors
have more questions than what can be

711
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:34,160
answered at a public meeting, they are
invited back for a private meeting with

712
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:37,840
the Township to reopen the books.
Um he gave an example of one auditor who

713
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:41,320
said she was able to ask for parks and
rec to be broken down in greater detail

714
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,960
compared to what came in in a standard
audit.

715
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,320
Another Township, Lower Gwynedd
Township, has elected auditors to assist

716
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:52,280
the Township and this is from their
website. Uh the auditors assist the

717
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:56,200
Township by reviewing the annual audited
financial statements. They provide

718
00:43:54,120 --> 00:44:00,520
direction and make recommendations to
ensure that best management practices

719
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:04,080
are implemented and followed. Under the
Pennsylvania Second Class Township Code,

720
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:08,840
the Board of Supervisors may pass a
resolution appointing take

721
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:13,480
or competent public public accountant or
firm to perform the annual audit and

722
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:19,400
examine all of the accounts of the town-
township for the fiscal year. Lower

723
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:23,680
Gwynedd Township uses ZALEC,
a certified public accounting firm to

724
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:27,920
perform the financial audit and account
review. The elected auditors then

725
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:32,920
perform a review of that information.
Dover Township in York County hires an

726
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:37,520
auditing firm firm, but allows their
auditors to review the financial

727
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:41,520
reports. Dover also publishes the audit
or firm's deficiencies and

728
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:45,720
recommendations letter. Townships in
Chester County publish all of the CPA

729
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:50,160
reports, including a schedule of
findings and recommendations from the

730
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:53,440
audit from the CPA that spells out
material weaknesses and significant

731
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:59,080
deficiencies uncovered by the [cough]
CPA.

732
00:44:54,920 --> 00:45:03,800
Um the DCED guide, which which we we
which rules what we do, states that CPAs

733
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:08,480
can be appointed in addition to the
elected auditors and advises elected

734
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:13,520
auditors to take an advisory role in the
improvement of the municipal financial

735
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,480
procedures as deemed appropriate. So,
based on these

736
00:45:15,006 --> 00:45:19,080
» [clears throat]
>> examples that I've given,

737
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,040
um I am requesting that the auditors
auditors be allowed to perform a full

738
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,800
audit of the accounts that were
accessible to Megan Harris.

739
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:31,000
Um I think it's important that we look
into

740
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:34,800
the things that were discussed, which I
cannot openly discuss unless you give me

741
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:39,000
permission, but I think we need to be
able to to look into what she had access

742
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:43,600
to.
I'm also asking that if the board

743
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:48,400
appoints a CPA that the auditors not be
replaced, but be given the authority to

744
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:51,760
work with the CPA and to have access to
all of the reports, presentations, and

745
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,520
meetings that occur.
And lastly, I'm requesting that all

746
00:45:53,680 --> 00:46:00,600
audit reports and letters, including any
statements of material weaknesses and

747
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:05,200
and or significant deficiencies that are
provided by the CPA be posted to the

748
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:09,480
Township website immediately.
Um you said that if elected you would

749
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:13,640
provide transparency and accountability
to the Township residents, and I believe

750
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:17,840
that the first step is to allow the
elected auditors to be allowed to work

751
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:21,720
together with the CPA, to be allowed to
review the annual financial statements,

752
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:25,760
and to be able to make recommendations
and to take an advisory role in the

753
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:32,040
improvement of municipal procedures. I
also think that we owe it to the public

754
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:36,240
to be able to publish the audit
to Half these guys don't even know that

755
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:39,640
it's done. It's never been published,
and I think that we're doing them a

756
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:45,240
disservice by not letting them see what
the deficiencies and the recommendations

757
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:48,880
of the CPA audit brought forth.
I think that that everyone has that

758
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:55,400
right to know what's going on in the
financial

759
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:55,400
uh aspect of the Township. Thank you.

760
00:46:58,497 --> 00:47:00,517
» [applause]

761
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:07,360
» All right.
We got to address that later.

762
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:10,880
» Well, yeah. Well, go ahead. Well, my
thing as far as posting the report to

763
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:14,440
the website
I don't think

764
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,080
I don't think that's very difficult.
>> No, I just honestly didn't get the

765
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,800
chance to do it.
>> So, that can be

766
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,760
that can be done as soon as possible.
>> But I think I think what you're

767
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,880
Jim, what you're asking is that the full
report with the deficiencies and the and

768
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,080
the controls and
>> Absolutely.

769
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,800
» and the management letter all of it, cuz
that's transparency.

770
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,880
» Well, yeah.
>> And many other Townships do that.

771
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,080
» The whole thing on there from front to
back.

772
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,520
I don't see a problem with that.
>> No.

773
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,680
» No.
No, because as far as the deficiencies

774
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:48,360
go, I knew there were some, but I also
know that it wasn't it wasn't a lot. We

775
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,840
got a healthy rating, which is good.
>> Right.

776
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:54,680
» So,
my thought is uh

777
00:47:55,120 --> 00:48:02,120
you guys came up with
and I'm not getting

778
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:06,080
You came up with a CPA that we hired.
>> Well, we gave we gave you several.

779
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:09,120
» And we did and that's who we picked.
We spent $18,000.

780
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,280
Okay?
>> Of tax payer money.

781
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:18,760
» Right.
>> And they gave us a very good review.

782
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:23,640
I mean, they found very It was more the
deficiencies were the way it was done.

783
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:27,360
It wasn't anything to do with the money.
It's because of so little audit. It was

784
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,680
the way it was
taken.

785
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,800
Okay. I get it.
>> The problem with that and I addressed

786
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:39,600
this with the CPA and she didn't respond
to me was that she checked one month.

787
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:44,040
» No, no, no. I'm not talking about that.
That's the only thing. The rest I'm

788
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:47,400
talking about the whole
We're not talking about

789
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:50,800
» We were unmodified. We were She said we
had the highest rating for the DCED

790
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:55,320
report, which is
>> Thank you. That's what I

791
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:57,600
» the legal requirement to report to DCED
was fine.

792
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:01,600
» That's what I'm
So, everybody needs to know that that we

793
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:06,920
are very
That is what impressed me the most about

794
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:11,400
the whole thing. Now, we keep talking
about transparency and all this and and

795
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:15,640
how bad a job
>> we all did.

796
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,520
» But, if you really look at it, that's a
pretty good

797
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,280
» Jesus.
>> It the witch hunt really wasn't what you

798
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:25,400
ended up with.
>> Well, they made the comment that most

799
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:30,920
townships have the account uh the
funding to survive for two months if all

800
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,240
money was to be cut off and ours fell
around 10 months. So, that's pretty

801
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,640
good.
>> I don't look at it as a witch hunt.

802
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,520
» Thank you.
>> Well, now there was a lot of talk about

803
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:42,560
it. Well, there's never
>> I what I what I look at it as

804
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,880
is that
um

805
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:47,840
Mrs.
>> Diggs.

806
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:54,200
» Diggs
and Mrs. Roberts and Mindy Vance are not

807
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,280
auditors.
They might have some background in it.

808
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,080
» Oh, wait a minute.
>> Yeah, she did.

809
00:49:57,969 --> 00:50:00,760
» [laughter]
>> I worked for the auditor general.

810
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,720
» Okay, wait here a minute.
Yes, what he is.

811
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:07,240
BUT BUT THIS ISN'T something that you
would This isn't something you would do.

812
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:10,800
If it was something you would do, well,
even that with that, you're not going to

813
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:14,840
do it in 50 hours for 18 bucks an hour.
So,

814
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:19,400
I Most town And I think Andy, you said
this. I don't remember in the meeting.

815
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:22,920
This is This is kind of way it works.
And you know,

816
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,760
2026. We need to We need to We need to
make sure we're covered.

817
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,080
» Yeah.
>> So, what they did was actually a benefit

818
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,800
for
>> Oh, I'm not I'm not saying it, but what

819
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:34,960
I am saying it is the woman told us,
you know, Kim,

820
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:40,800
you just told us that you weren't
allowed to hear. But she told us that.

821
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:43,080
It wasn't We didn't make that rule.
People need to know that.

822
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:49,280
» Make what rule?
>> That you couldn't be in the meeting and

823
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:49,280
all that. That started with her.

824
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,920
» Well, I have to tell you that that's not
what I was told by her.

825
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,600
» Well, I'm sorry.
>> That's what she

826
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,520
» Well, I'm sorry.
>> you do not She

827
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:05,600
» That's all hearsay, and we're not trying
>> the whole point. The whole point is that

828
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:11,080
there is this this aura
of lack of transparency

829
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:15,320
that hangs over this township. And it's
things like that that cause the people

830
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:19,040
to say, "What is going on?"
>> Well, sometimes it's the people coming

831
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:22,720
in coming in with these outlandish
ideas. You know, we're not driving

832
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,840
around in Ferraris and the bank account
looks good.

833
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,120
You know?
So, moving forward,

834
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:35,640
» Mhm.
>> um So, we need to make a motion on that

835
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:40,000
that we disclose the the whole manager's
>> You guys have the lingo. All the All the

836
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:42,960
deficiencies, all the controls. I
thought it was very I thought there was

837
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:47,360
a lot of things
she's already started doing some of

838
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:52,080
those things. One of those things was,
and I I think we need to do it is we got

839
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:55,520
a quarterly look at our budget.
I mean that's just business. That's just

840
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,120
getting getting it. You know, we need to
know where

841
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,880
What's that?

842
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:08,120
Well, we're going to look at the budget
and there's plenty of things that

843
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:13,120
that was came out of this that was good.
So, do we need to vote on this to do

844
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,120
that yeah or just have

845
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:19,800
But the request that that's what I'm
heading but the request that you had I I

846
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:23,040
I mean we I think we we kind of agreed
on it at the last meeting we just need

847
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:26,920
to get it on the agenda to to let them
do it. The only thing I say with this

848
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,960
request
comes with

849
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:35,760
um
we can't have little spending.

850
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:39,160
You need to ask you guys need to ask for
what

851
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:44,880
you need to do your audit.
>> Um in previous years, not cut you off,

852
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:49,680
in previous years when April was still
here, she wasn't even in the office when

853
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:53,440
the auditors were here.
>> Well, but she's going to need she's

854
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:56,880
going to need to disclose if they want
to go over what I'm thinking you're

855
00:52:54,680 --> 00:53:01,480
talking about is
cash, credit card. I mean that's that's

856
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,840
that's if you're going to get away with
any money out of this place it's going

857
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,680
to be in the cash and credit card.
>> There's it's nothing that I couldn't get

858
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:12,200
from following a way to know.
And the whole object of us being able to

859
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:15,560
do this is because if you weren't going
to agree with this, I could I could just

860
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:19,480
send them an RTK and get this
information.

861
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:23,000
But I'd like for it to be more of a
collaboration

862
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:27,720
and those are the things that we want to
look at. The things that were some of

863
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:31,160
the deficiencies once we post them and
everyone will know what we're talking

864
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,920
about. Those and you're correct, those
are the things that we'd like to look

865
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:37,320
into.
>> and and and we we had talked about that

866
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:41,720
at the last meeting and I feel that
I mean I I almost think that it's in the

867
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,720
code that when somebody I mean secretary
and treasurer when they leave they all

868
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,760
got to
>> Yeah, it is. It's in the code. Right.

869
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:52,240
So,
I would make the motion that we allow

870
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:56,760
them to do that with
Now I'm going to get to my point. With

871
00:53:53,760 --> 00:54:01,120
that you you give what you need, what
you want.

872
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:05,160
And she can produce it
on a

873
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:09,400
in a time frame that suits everybody,
but that it's not a dialogue back and

874
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:13,280
forth, that she's got 20 hours and
>> Well, we need the We need the records.

875
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:18,120
And then the thing is, if we find
something, then we will come back to you

876
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:22,520
and we will say, "This is what we have
found." Just like the auditor did. When

877
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:25,120
she said, "There's a deficiency. Can you
provide this information?"

878
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,640
» the only thing. I agree. I mean
>> I mean we're not out to

879
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:32,120
» I I know you're not.
>> You know, to make uh Lilly's great.

880
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:34,760
She's She's wonderful. And I I
appreciate

881
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:39,440
» But it has to You know, you got to You
know, spell it out. You want the

882
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:45,600
receipts or from the credit card from X
to X, receipts or cash, whatever. And

883
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:51,720
hopefully we can produce these without
getting a lot of time involved.

884
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:55,040
» Is it all digitized or we are manual?
>> I have

885
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:58,280
» I mean, if it's papers, I can come in
here and sit down and look at them. I I

886
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,480
don't have a problem. I don't know if
somebody needs to be here.

887
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,280
» I think a supervisor has to be here
though for

888
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:06,520
» Which is I mean
>> I'm here.

889
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,520
» It's going to take a little bit.

890
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:12,320
» Come up with Depending what they need.
Come up with a

891
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:14,720
» I I just I I truthfully think it's here.
Just finding it is going to be

892
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,080
difficult.
>> get that.

893
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:21,320
» And that's fine. I mean, we're not
There's no I don't think there's any big

894
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,320
rush. She's

895
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:31,280
From the minute you stepped in, I feel
more confident about

896
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:35,160
where we're going with
the documents and the accounting.

897
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,560
So,
that's

898
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:41,520
you know, going back, it's whenever you
can get it to you.

899
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:45,560
» Yeah, I think that would just be Like I
said, I think it's I I I do feel

900
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:48,200
confident they're here, just uh the the
finding just might take a little.

901
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:51,640
» Thank you.
>> Unless I'm mistaken, there was a motion

902
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:57,120
put on the table.
There was a motion put on the table to

903
00:55:53,480 --> 00:56:00,680
allow them to do an audit of Megan when
she left to make sure that everything

904
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:04,040
was
That was my motion that I put in hand.

905
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:10,360
» Yes.
>> So, I am here.

906
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,360
Is that my only

907
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,480
thing I can do that day, basically, if
that makes sense?

908
00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:17,240
» Well,
>> Can other township business be had

909
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:22,160
» I don't want to I don't want to be I
don't I don't What I would like to see,

910
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:26,560
and this is a question, too, is that can
they take some of if it's a

911
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:29,840
Can some of this information be given to
them, whether it's through copy or

912
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,600
» That's Yeah.
>> I mean, that's what we did with this

913
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,600
uh you can leave the building, right?
>> I mean, you can you can

914
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:40,200
» Yeah, didn't you give them information?
>> Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, sorry. No,

915
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,400
that's all right. Yes.
>> I mean, I think you should I try to keep

916
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,360
a copy.
>> I mean,

917
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,560
» Yeah, yeah.
>> No, no, give them the information, but

918
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,480
they can have a copy.
>> What if there's something that she can't

919
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:52,080
leave the building with? Right.
>> Right.

920
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:56,360
» So, that's what I'm saying by And I
don't be Don't take offense to this, but

921
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,800
um she's got a lot to do.
>> Absolutely.

922
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:03,920
» And and I we we we we're already through
an audit,

923
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:07,480
and and this is another audit, but just
so you can ask for what you need, and it

924
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:10,080
may be might have to ask for something
else later.

925
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:14,480
» Mhm. And that's that's the plan, you
know, we can say, "Hey, give us the

926
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:18,560
credit card receipts from point A to
point B. If you can give us a third of

927
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:21,680
them or 1 year's worth." That's So, you
know, that's fine, because it's going to

928
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,720
take us time to go through them, as
well.

929
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:27,120
» So, I think we need to discuss like what
audit scope we're talking about, and so

930
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:31,040
we'll already have a time period of
whatever years, so we're clear on what

931
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:34,080
you know, Or like all of it in four
years. It'll be a clear audit.

932
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,880
» It wouldn't be a problem. And I think it
needs to be from when she stepped in,

933
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,520
which was
October 20

934
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,000
» 50 hours or
>> 24?

935
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,080
» Yes. November
>> Yes, and they know that. I just put that

936
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:49,800
in there for you. Kim had mentioned
that. And by the way, we've never even

937
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:53,440
asked to be paid for any good that But
that's I just I just put that copy in

938
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,280
here just so they know that the
guideline when it's not supposed to

939
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,360
Yeah. Exceed
>> 50 hours.

940
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,360
» Yeah.
>> But she would have said that. I don't

941
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:05,440
even care about that.
We we've never even put in a invoice for

942
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,880
the little bit that we did because it's
not That's not

943
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,400
» Well.
>> I don't care about that.

944
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,320
» Okay.
>> You know, it's it's a couple of dollars,

945
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,320
so.
>> So,

946
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:16,240
you made the motion to
allow them to

947
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,800
» Yep.
>> Is there a second?

948
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,760
» I'll second.
>> All those in favor of giving their

949
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,800
consent are saying I.
>> I.

950
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:26,920
» I.
Motion carried.

951
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:32,960
Now,
right down to the next one, number five.

952
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:38,360
Discuss authorizing solicitor to provide
advertise replacement of the elected

953
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,360
auditors with professional auditors.

954
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,480
» And half of that was already discussed.

955
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:50,320
We don't have to do anything.
>> So, the question I have is would you

956
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:53,560
guys feel comfortable from now that we
cleared everything up?

957
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:57,840
Would you be
able to do it from here on out?

958
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:01,920
» I don't know that we have an accord of
the three auditors that we all or all I

959
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:04,000
think I we are.
>> No. I'm afraid I disagree.

960
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,000
» Oh.
>> We're we're not we're not

961
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,920
» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> We all We all don't agree on whether or

962
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:12,680
not we are capable.
>> Okay.

963
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:15,800
» I think we are, but I think that we have
some

964
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:18,120
some concern.
So.

965
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:26,120
» I think that
we took the plunge that we should

966
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:28,680
continue with a CPA, whether it's uh
Mayor Mayor Deucey. I just said Diesel.

967
00:59:28,481 --> 00:59:29,880
» [laughter]
>> Yeah.

968
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,600
» Can I say something?
>> It's the CPAs, yeah.

969
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:36,480
» Um
yeah, I I think that, you know, I mean,

970
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:40,560
I know and
I thought we asked cuz it was in my mind

971
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:43,280
to ask, but since now we had a a full
comprehensive audit, next year

972
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,160
» audit.
>> It was a full audit.

973
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:50,200
» We requested a comprehensive audit. We
did not get a full, we got a DCED audit,

974
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:53,440
which is very different than a full
comprehensive audit.

975
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:58,080
» Um
but we got that we got to back to ground

976
00:59:55,480 --> 01:00:02,160
zero and everything was zero.
Now, moving forward the next years,

977
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,080
um I don't believe it's going to be as
expensive.

978
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,720
» Yeah, she said that it was
>> Yeah.

979
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:09,600
» not as big.
>> And I mean, since we did this, I think

980
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:14,200
we need a I would say we need to
continue, but we own the we're on the

981
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:17,720
next we're on the next thing. But along
with that, not to cut you off, Charlie,

982
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:21,680
but along with that, we still have some
responsibilities as auditors.

983
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:25,080
Um
>> Yeah, I Yeah.

984
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:28,086
» Yeah. Set pay and
>> how you

985
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:30,440
proceed.
>> [clears throat]

986
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:35,120
» We have we will still have the right to
set the salaries, which is pretty much

987
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:39,560
it. If you replace us,
that's all we're going to do. That's why

988
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:44,360
I'm requesting that we still be given
some authority

989
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:49,520
to be able to review
and assist

990
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:53,680
where we can because that keeps the
transparent, you know, an auditor is

991
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,400
just going to do the DCED report. She's
going to pick a month out of her hat out

992
01:00:55,480 --> 01:01:00,280
of You're going to give her a month,
she's going to say, "Everything looks

993
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:04,800
great." Yeah. But
that's really not transparency as far

994
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:08,360
as, you know, the
I didn't want to bring this up, but

995
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:13,640
there's a township that the secretary
charged a half a million dollars

996
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:18,200
on her on the the township credit card
and never got caught

997
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:21,320
because the auditors the CPA wasn't
looking for that.

998
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:26,120
They didn't catch it because they're not
looking for fraud. If they discover

999
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:29,840
something that looks fraudulent, they
will look into it. But it's it's simp- I

1000
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:34,000
mean you can explain what the DC
>> It's just not a forensic audit. So, I

1001
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,720
mean it's just if something she would
have came across something she would

1002
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:39,880
definitely say, "Hey, supervisors, we
need to look at this." But she said to

1003
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:44,040
me, "I didn't find anything." if that
means. So, it came as an un- I mean, you

1004
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,400
know, unmodified thing, which is the
best you could get.

1005
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,840
» Yeah.
>> So, that means that the state is

1006
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:53,080
satisfied with what the township that
doesn't mean that behind the scenes

1007
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:56,040
Charlie's not riding around in a Ferrari
and we're like, "Hey, where'd you get

1008
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:59,920
that?" Right? Like, you know what I
mean? So, there are like different

1009
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:05,320
levels of like the auditors still
looking at things of concern. For your

1010
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:09,320
protection, really, and the taxpayers.
>> So, a quick question. Uh isn't there a

1011
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:12,400
township code that says what their
responsibilities are?

1012
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,840
» Yes, it's under the auditor's code.
>> Well, does it say you should be working

1013
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,640
with the C-
>> It's There's different options. There's

1014
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,040
There's like different like levels of
what we could be doing.

1015
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,880
» Okay.
>> So, there's no

1016
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,040
clear-cut
>> Mhm.

1017
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,480
» line in the code that says I will work
with the

1018
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,440
» Correct.
Correct.

1019
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,880
» Yeah.
>> Got it.

1020
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,920
» Well, I mean

1021
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,240
What does your say? We don't have to do
it.

1022
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:43,560
» We don't have to do anything. It would
stay the way it always there are the

1023
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:48,040
elected auditors and
when it comes time for audit we hire a

1024
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:50,880
CPA and they can then deal with the CPA
and not me.

1025
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:53,320
» Now, the other question I had for this
for you.

1026
01:02:52,843 --> 01:02:57,840
» [clears throat]
>> Should we Would it be better that we use

1027
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:00,920
the same company?
>> That's I mean, that's your up to your

1028
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:04,440
discretion. If you were satisfied with
her service, I would definitely say yes.

1029
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,880
» I mean, we've never We don't have We
don't

1030
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,840
We've never had experience with anything
else though. That's all we That's all we

1031
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:13,360
know.
>> Some townships will will will change

1032
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:16,800
after a few years. There's There's the
same thing.

1033
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:20,000
» Maybe it's beneficial to make some phone
calls to some neighbors.

1034
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:22,960
» And if you guys have contacts in other
townships, maybe too, you could always

1035
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:26,720
reach out and ask how, you know, if
they're satisfied. It's up to you guys

1036
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:30,280
like her, right? She She had a good
>> She She was nice. She was really

1037
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,760
» I mean, honestly, there wasn't much
dealing with her. It was her

1038
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:37,240
» Her
>> Yeah. Employees, AJs, whatever. Yeah.

1039
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,560
They That's who we dealt with most, you
know, yeah.

1040
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,240
And they were They were They were They
were great to work with.

1041
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:45,360
» Oh, good.
>> She was definitely into it, though.

1042
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:48,280
She was excited about it.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1043
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:51,720
» She's great. Yeah. And they always Mary
Joessel does a great job with even like

1044
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:55,840
much larger townships and everything.
So, we were always satisfied. It's up to

1045
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:58,600
you guys though at the end of the day.
>> Yeah.

1046
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,440
» Uh so, we're going to leave it as it is
>> Yeah.

1047
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:03,760
» as it is
>> with their recommendation and

1048
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:06,800
And you were satisfied Well, everybody's
going to get to see the full disclosure

1049
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:09,160
of the audit. So, but you were satisfied
with your involvement or you weren't

1050
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:14,600
satisfied?
>> not because I felt like I was being

1051
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:17,520
blocked a lot. You know, I think there
was some

1052
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:21,360
» Well, how about how about we work We We
always have things to work on. So.

1053
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:26,120
» I know. And that's why I brought this to
your attention. It's like if you guys

1054
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:31,200
I'm not the enemy. I, you know, I
sometimes think that

1055
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:35,160
you know, I'm not on the witch hunt. I'm
a resident that just really cares about

1056
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:41,520
this township.
And I want to see us, you know, I don't

1057
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:46,160
I I just I love Goodno Township.
And that's my whole reason for even

1058
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:50,200
getting involved. So, if I want to work
with you. I And if you want to work with

1059
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:54,080
me, I'm thrilled with that. So.
>> I think Jen's little concern was the

1060
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:59,120
separation of duties part. Like she
didn't want the elected auditors and the

1061
01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:02,480
CPAs to do a lot of this because she was
trying to keep these books

1062
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,720
so there like discussion.
>> And that was cuz I was involved in the

1063
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,720
beginning and then I stepped out because
you ran and you took over and did a

1064
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:12,760
great job.
>> And I think, honestly, next time, now

1065
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:16,440
that we have that baseline and
everything's good.

1066
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,120
» I got it.
>> That's wonderful.

1067
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:23,080
» Because that was a nightmare.
>> And I think too though, there was some

1068
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:27,200
record keeping that wasn't being done
that I think is being done.

1069
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:30,920
And it'll be a whole lot simpler, too.
So.

1070
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,920
» So, don't worry.

1071
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,340
» [laughter]

1072
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,480
» All right.
>> Perfect.

1073
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:49,240
» Yeah.
>> And that's what I'm saying, just with

1074
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:52,600
the what's coming up, I have no idea.
>> But that's okay, you'll figure it out.

1075
01:05:53,440 --> 01:06:01,880
» Yes.
>> Okay. So, moving on, number six, the

1076
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:04,680
close final subdivision plan.
>> Charlie, you're the only one that has

1077
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:08,760
it.
>> I have it in here.

1078
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,760
» Yep, you're the only one.

1079
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:15,200
I am Patty Fischer from James Harren and
Associates.

1080
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:18,280
Representing the Ida Day and Close
subdivision plan.

1081
01:06:21,790 --> 01:06:23,810
» [clears throat]

1082
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:31,280
» I have small copies of the plan here
too. You can look at that if you can't

1083
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,280
see one

1084
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:41,800
And this is This is actually the final
from the copy that's ready to be

1085
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,800
recorded.

1086
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,560
Um
>> Correct.

1087
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:48,120
» Correct.
Uh

1088
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:52,480
Ida's property was put into a
conservation easement back in 2012 and

1089
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:56,600
at the time, this section was left out
of the easement because they wanted to

1090
01:06:54,920 --> 01:07:02,400
eventually subdivide it off because it
does have a a dwelling, a driveway, a

1091
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:06,960
septic, and a well on that property. So,
that is what we're doing at this point.

1092
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:11,360
Uh her property has the dwelling, her
own dwelling, the

1093
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:16,680
farm buildings,
uh septic and well, and now they want to

1094
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:19,280
subdivide an acre off that has the other
dwelling.

1095
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:54,960
Yes. Okay, so this is has all the final
on um from YCPC it was the family was

1096
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:59,680
signed by the owner, which it is now
signed and notarized.

1097
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:04,000
Uh the seal and dated signature of the
registered surveyor, which is down here

1098
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:07,520
at the bottom.
And then verification of a planning

1099
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:10,640
module for land development non-building
waiver, and you have that to sign

1100
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,560
tonight.
It was signed by the SEO, and everybody

1101
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:17,480
else has signed it.
And that just needs signed and then sent

1102
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:21,240
in to the DED.
And then it says a new and a new legal

1103
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:25,880
description should be prepared for lot
two and for lot one, the residual tract,

1104
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:30,200
and I have provided those to the
township and the engineer, and will be

1105
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:33,120
providing them to the owner so that she
can get new deeds.

1106
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:41,480
Yeah, where it says planning is you,
chairman. Yep, that's you.

1107
01:08:39,480 --> 01:08:45,720
Yep.
Okay, and so

1108
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:48,680
the engineer comments prior to the
recording of the final plans, the

1109
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:54,680
applicant shall pay the township such
fees as may be due for processing. So, I

1110
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,680
don't know if they owe any fees.

1111
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:04,680
Being a subdivision, they would owe
direct fees.

1112
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:07,680
» Rec fees. So, we have a $100 rec fee.
>> And I did not

1113
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:11,200
As far as I know, I did not receive
anything.

1114
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:15,440
» Well, I'm not sure if it's
>> I Should I have her call you and discuss

1115
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,359
any fees then?
>> What brand is it?

1116
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:22,400
» That would be perfect.
>> I don't know if there's any

1117
01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:22,400
any engineering fees or

1118
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:27,200
» The engineering fees, I am not sure
about.

1119
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,560
» I got you.

1120
01:09:32,440 --> 01:09:35,520
» I think Yeah, if you could have her call
me

1121
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:37,040
» That would be great if we had
Yeah.

1122
01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:39,880
» You can work that with her.
>> Yes. Yes.

1123
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:44,160
Uh the plan shall include the owner's
signature and that was from YCP.

1124
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:50,799
The applicant shall provide contours on
sheet two.

1125
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:55,120
So, now
on sheet two, there are contours.

1126
01:09:54,160 --> 01:10:00,520
» Mhm.
>> Uh the existing road to change into the

1127
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:03,840
subdivision is named Broadbeck Road. I
had

1128
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:08,280
Like when there were two places I had
Broadbeck Road and Broadbeck. So, that

1129
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:11,280
that's been changed to
>> Grammar. It's all

1130
01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:12,320
» It's spelling.
>> Yeah.

1131
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:16,960
» Uh
the applicant shall provide the claim

1132
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:22,240
the non-building waiver. The plan should
include YCP C review date and and the um

1133
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:25,400
that will happen
when I take the when it goes to get

1134
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:30,960
recorded. It does not happen before
that. New legal descriptions. The

1135
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:33,800
submission received by CSA So, that
nothing.

1136
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:37,320
Um
The property owner proposing a

1137
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:40,960
subdivision and surrounding adjacent
properties that are separately deeded,

1138
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:45,080
the township shall determine if these
parcels must be included within the plan

1139
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:48,320
to be defined and remain as independent
properties under the current township

1140
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:53,920
regulations.
So, they had So, the engineer had me put

1141
01:10:52,000 --> 01:11:00,360
this note on
on the very last What number is that?

1142
01:10:56,280 --> 01:11:00,360
You got 11 and 11 on the second sheet.

1143
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,600
And we did take into a

1144
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:28,280
So and along with that the last comment
was the application revised of course

1145
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:32,880
the history section of sheet of plan one
of two of plan sheet one of two to

1146
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:37,120
clearly state that the dwelling unit
rate is being provided to propose lot

1147
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:41,920
two and lot one will have
the remaining two dwelling rates but we

1148
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:45,680
through discussion
and

1149
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:50,120
even though we've had this note on the
plan we did take into account

1150
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:54,520
this
or not that one.

1151
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,960
She has an adjacent property that they
own.

1152
01:11:54,920 --> 01:12:00,080
» It's um
What is it? 10 and the home owners 10?

1153
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:05,160
» And 9A.
>> Yes. And 9A is there's it's scattered

1154
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:08,840
about. We have
>> Yeah, it's kind of

1155
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:12,000
» There's Alpine Lane has two residences
that were came off that farm and then

1156
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:15,280
down here there's a I think the actual
home

1157
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:21,040
» So we went through it with the engineer
and the township and so now this is we

1158
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:23,840
have
>> Number of single family

1159
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,920
» Well, actually that one is is not
correct. This is correct. We have

1160
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:29,440
» Oh, okay.
>> We have decided that there were no

1161
01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:35,000
remaining dwelling rights from after we
do this.

1162
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,000
And everybody had agreed on that.

1163
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:43,440
» This new one references five.
>> Okay, I understand that.

1164
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,080
» This isn't correct.
>> Yes.

1165
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:51,040
» The small one is correct.
>> Oh, okay. I'm sorry.

1166
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:55,120
So yeah, okay. So it says uh
total permitted five.

1167
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:58,400
» Yeah. And they used them all. Right.
This will This will fill her up.

1168
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:07,160
» And so that is the end of the comments.
So I would say the only outstanding

1169
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:10,160
comment we have is if to check on if
they owe any fees.

1170
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:12,720
» Should we approve conditionally on wreck
fees?

1171
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,720
» Yeah.

1172
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:19,800
» Okay, that's this one. This one still
says four, but that one says four.

1173
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,800
» Right. Five

1174
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:24,270
» I think Should I give you the one copy?
>> Yeah, it doesn't matter. Actually,

1175
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,160
that's fine. Yeah. We got to go.
>> [laughter]

1176
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:29,720
» Just you don't worry.
>> Hey, this is the one I actually my notes

1177
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:33,000
on.
>> How did you get that?

1178
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:37,840
» We got them all.
I would have looked at them first.

1179
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:41,080
» Well, then so these are all of changes.
>> Yeah, I just printed these out today.

1180
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,840
They had all the final revisions on
them.

1181
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:47,680
» So it looks
>> And then I have five copies here with

1182
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:51,240
all original signatures that you will be
signing.

1183
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:56,160
» Well,
we are in a motion to approve.

1184
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,840
I'll make that.
Second.

1185
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:01,200
» Conditionally approved.
>> Conditionally on wreck fees.

1186
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:03,920
» Yeah.
>> All those in favor of giving the consent

1187
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:07,360
of saying I.
>> I.

1188
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:12,240
» Motion carried.
>> So I will take care of sending the

1189
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:16,240
waiver to the EP
for their records and I will leave these

1190
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,880
with you.
>> You just have them sign anytime after

1191
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:23,440
you call them in.
>> Right. But I guess want to check on the

1192
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:28,360
fees and everything first before
you they or they can sign it.

1193
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:31,440
» Yeah, but I would recommend not
>> record it until the fees are paid.

1194
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:34,320
» Right.
>> Yeah.

1195
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,760
Okay. Thank you very much.
>> Thank you.

1196
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:42,840
Yeah. Yeah, we could we could do it now
or we could

1197
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:46,240
» I was just going to wait till
one second.

1198
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:50,680
Thank you.
>> Okay.

1199
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:56,680
Let me know when you're
>> Building repair bids.

1200
01:14:54,120 --> 01:15:01,920
We got one bid this morning.
And it was from our construction

1201
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:06,000
and it was almost identical
to the last bid from previous month or

1202
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:09,840
two ago.
And

1203
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:13,000
that's it.
I think I think it's honestly within

1204
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:16,280
$1,000.
>> Yeah, of the other.

1205
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:21,720
» Which is
pretty surprising, but

1206
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,720
So

1207
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:26,720
What's up?
>> Any uh

1208
01:15:27,480 --> 01:15:31,120
I can't believe they didn't get any
more.

1209
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:33,560
» No, but it was advertised pretty well
this time and

1210
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:36,520
» people come out and they knew they were
>> we did this I met with multiple people,

1211
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,360
but
>> We only had to see what they had to

1212
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:42,400
bring in today.
>> Yeah, we only had one this morning and

1213
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:44,360
nobody throughout the day like so
they weren't late.

1214
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,840
So
>> So we

1215
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:49,360
» We didn't go to
We didn't Does it have to be sealed?

1216
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,160
» Randy
>> At this money at this amount of money,

1217
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,560
yes.
>> Yeah.

1218
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:56,360
» Anything over 25,000 I think it is this
year. 24,500

1219
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,640
» Yeah, that is.
>> Yeah, it has to be done in this process.

1220
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,800
So
um

1221
01:16:04,747 --> 01:16:11,880
» [sighs]
>> I thought we were going to look at uh

1222
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:14,520
I thought that's what we had talked
about last meeting we're going to have

1223
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:17,000
maybe some other
builders.

1224
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:19,440
Charlie, you had somebody you had talked
about.

1225
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:22,640
» Mhm, I talked to him and
>> Well, I was going to say you can you can

1226
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,080
talk to him, but they still have to
submit the sealed bid.

1227
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:26,720
» to seal it.
>> Yeah.

1228
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:30,520
» Yeah, we had four guys come out.
>> That's what I'm saying. I had talked to

1229
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:32,760
some of them. I and one of the guys was
>> Yeah.

1230
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:39,160
» from North Cadore, so some local guys
were out too. And I'm going to be blunt.

1231
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:44,960
The heating bill for that shop it this
needs to be taken care of before winter

1232
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:50,280
comes. It's all well and fine now, but
>> Well, the only thing I'd say is

1233
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:53,320
we just have a budget discussion first.
>> Yeah.

1234
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:56,640
» Um
I understand I I stand I stood in the

1235
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:58,080
shop. I see daylight.
>> Yeah.

1236
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:00,600
» Um
>> And maybe we want to do the

1237
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:05,000
» outside or
>> But if we would if we could maybe Let

1238
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:06,800
Let's just talk budget a little bit um
before we make a motion.

1239
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:09,280
» Yep.
>> Can we do that, Andy?

1240
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:12,920
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> The only reason I say it is I mean it's

1241
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:16,960
it's just didn't happen in the last
year.

1242
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:19,920
And we've been working
with the building the way it's been for

1243
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:23,840
some years.
I don't know what um

1244
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:27,640
» And we're also trying to make things
better here.

1245
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:31,720
» Oh, no. I understand that.
I don't know what uh heating was the

1246
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:34,960
year before.
>> Well, we'll move on and go to budget and

1247
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:37,160
revisit it then.
>> Yes, sir.

1248
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,960
» Yeah, we can get back to it if you want
to.

1249
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:43,840
» Yep. I do.
>> Um

1250
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,840
I'm just looking to see what uh

1251
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:50,440
» Okay.
>> But we can look at this. Heating

1252
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:57,680
Yeah. Heating oil was budgeted
for 2025

1253
01:17:55,880 --> 01:18:03,400
at 7,000.
And we came in at 79 7592. So, I'd say

1254
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:06,600
we were pretty close to
what we've been for some years.

1255
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:10,920
» Yeah, the heating oil.
>> And the building's also been in disarray

1256
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:15,520
for years, and it's not just the heat.
>> No, I understand.

1257
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,520
» The place is falling apart.

1258
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:21,160
» Um
We can wait for Charlie to get back.

1259
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,160
» This is where we need the music.

1260
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,400
» Lois said she'd sing.
>> Oh, no.

1261
01:18:57,200 --> 01:19:00,400
» Yeah.
>> No, no, no, no, no.

1262
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:04,200
» That's the thing.
>> Lois does not sing.

1263
01:19:02,909 --> 01:19:06,680
» [laughter]
>> Just in the choir.

1264
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,960
» What what building are you guys talking
about?

1265
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:10,760
» This one.
>> This one?

1266
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:14,600
» Yeah. It's metal siding. It's the siding
of the building.

1267
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:17,280
» safety concerns with this building?
>> I have some, yes.

1268
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:20,840
» I think that
you need to address

1269
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:22,960
this building.
>> The building has a

1270
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:27,280
» It's like the
>> Well, minus what we tried several years

1271
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:32,000
ago, Bob.
>> What?

1272
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:32,000
» It hadn't been touched in

1273
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:37,520
a generation or two.
>> Yeah.

1274
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:40,760
» How long's that metal been sitting?
>> Uh the metal has been sitting for a

1275
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:44,480
while, but it has been taken care of and
it is in good condition. They will be

1276
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:47,920
using all the metal that we have.
We have all the metal for the We have

1277
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:51,440
the material for the building.
>> You have one time long-range plan to

1278
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:55,400
sell this building and put a new
building down in the direction of

1279
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:59,240
» Easy killer.
>> I would love that.

1280
01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:02,760
» We we should do that and and just let us
have the shop.

1281
01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:04,120
» So, is the bid period over now?
>> What's that?

1282
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,480
» Is the bid
>> Bids were Bids were over this morning,

1283
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,520
yes.
>> So, it's closed

1284
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,960
» Yes.
>> Yes.

1285
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:14,480
» So, it it would either be accepting this
or

1286
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:18,360
re-advertising again.
Go through the process again.

1287
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,800
» You'll announce how much it was, right?
>> Yes, absolutely.

1288
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:23,400
» Okay.
>> But he wants to If we can talk about the

1289
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:28,120
budget first, that's totally fine.
>> so the the annual Charlie was was

1290
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:32,040
budgeted at 7,000 last year
>> Mhm.

1291
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:38,560
» uh for 2025 and we spent 70 Well, the
township spent 75,000 or 70 7,500. So,

1292
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:41,960
» We're a little little over.
>> A little over, but it was within reason

1293
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:45,760
that um
Now, so the

1294
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:49,520
» Mind you, the budget was created in the
There has been multiple people changing

1295
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:53,320
in all these positions.
So, that budget was just created over

1296
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:56,400
time. The problem has been here over
time as well.

1297
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:58,840
So, the budget was put in place.
>> I'm just I'm just saying it.

1298
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:03,000
» He's just say He's just saying it.
>> He's just saying I'm just saying the

1299
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:08,280
heating oil was budgeted at 7,000.
We spent 7,500. So, we've been spending

1300
01:21:05,480 --> 01:21:10,720
at 7,000. I would have assumed I would
for a long time. We've been spending

1301
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:13,000
that.
Um

1302
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:16,480
Just on
What's that?

1303
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:20,040
» It did increase this year.
>> Yeah. Well, fuel went up, too.

1304
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:22,800
» Yes, it
>> Um

1305
01:21:21,116 --> 01:21:28,560
» [clears throat]
>> On the budget, there's a couple things

1306
01:21:25,480 --> 01:21:32,360
that I was looking at. One of them is
things that weren't on the budget

1307
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:36,200
was
um

1308
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:39,920
the new hire.
Um

1309
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:44,640
That wasn't a a budget line. So, that
was 36,000.

1310
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:47,800
And the trailer
that we bought for the skid loader that

1311
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:54,400
was 11,800.
The Massey Ferguson, this was something

1312
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:59,160
that was missed on the 2026 budget.
The payment for Massey Ferguson. Yeah,

1313
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:05,520
that was 46,000.
So, that's comes out to 93,800

1314
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:08,360
that wasn't on the budget.
So,

1315
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:13,080
um
Everything else on the budget is

1316
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:16,640
you know, it's some of them are getting
to the end of their

1317
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:22,520
the end of the what was budgeted for
them, but for the most part, we're

1318
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:23,440
we're about I think we're at 56% of the
budget.

1319
01:22:23,342 --> 01:22:28,840
» [clears throat]
>> At 6 months, so that's not terrible.

1320
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,840
Um

1321
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:35,920
We still don't know what this this
bridge is going to cost us.

1322
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:39,800
» No, but now that that was part of my
report, but I will touch on that. I

1323
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:43,960
discovered a grant through PennDOT in
the state that pays for all feasibility

1324
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:47,320
studies and the project and the
engineers. That's why I wanted the

1325
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:50,960
engineers here. I wanted to find out
where we stand with that because they

1326
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:55,680
are filing it because it's apparently
it's a ridiculously long process, but

1327
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:59,400
we've never went for that grant before.
No reason why we can't get it and it

1328
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:02,040
would pay for the study, the project, it
would pay for everything. It would pay

1329
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:05,560
for everything.
>> I thought that was through PISA.

1330
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:07,360
» No, it's through PennDOT.
>> PISA

1331
01:23:06,440 --> 01:23:08,720
did
advertise

1332
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:12,120
» it. Yes, right.
>> I thought it was through

1333
01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:14,560
» It's a um
I forget what it's called. Bridge

1334
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:17,400
» Yeah.
>> They have the rapid bridge replacement

1335
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:23,240
and then it's a it's another one. Either
way, there is a possibility, so

1336
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,240
» Um

1337
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:27,640
So, I I don't know
>> Go ahead.

1338
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:31,680
» I was just going to say I I don't know
if that lease, the Massey Ferguson

1339
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:34,520
lease, was to be classified under new
equipment. I don't know.

1340
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:38,880
» Well, there was no budget item for new
equipment. It was zero.

1341
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:42,240
I don't think there was any budget
budget line for new equipment.

1342
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,160
Zero.
>> This year?

1343
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,200
» For 2020.
>> I was going to say I think it was

1344
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:48,560
172,000.
>> 172,000. Was it?

1345
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:49,880
» Yeah, I thought
Yeah.

1346
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:56,440
» Yeah.
On this On this report it says zero.

1347
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:56,440
» Where's the the one I just printed?

1348
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:01,120
No.
>> This is the one I got.

1349
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:09,000
» Yeah, I thought It says that, right?
>> It says under maintenance and bridges,

1350
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:12,880
right? Maintenance of roads and bridges.
It's equipment rental, professional

1351
01:24:10,440 --> 01:24:15,720
services.
I don't see anything on here for

1352
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:18,400
175,000.
>> It's

1353
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:24,160
It's on
the one that I printed out tonight.

1354
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:24,160
» is this is the budget, though.

1355
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:28,840
This is the budget that was voted on.
There's nothing on here for new

1356
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:32,720
equipment.
>> New equipment, 430.7,

1357
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:34,920
172,000.
>> sure

1358
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:37,920
I'm honestly not sure how that happened
because I didn't I I didn't add anything

1359
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,960
to it. That's just [clears throat] what
it compares to in QuickBooks.

1360
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,360
» new equipment.
>> Yeah.

1361
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:45,360
» That was the skid loader.
111,000.

1362
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:52,560
Yeah.
That was the skid loader.

1363
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:56,040
So, the the the tractor wasn't on there.
>> And the 111,000, just so they all know,

1364
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,560
» was a grant
>> Mhm.

1365
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,600
» that we have.
>> Yeah, they have fully paid for

1366
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:05,160
everything.
>> Um but it's still the 49,000 for the

1367
01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:12,840
49,000 for the tractor and the
and um

1368
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:16,760
So, it's still over 94,000 unbudgeted
that we that we spent.

1369
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:19,880
Already spent.
>> Mhm.

1370
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:19,880
» Um

1371
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:25,120
And this the cost of doing this is the

1372
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:30,400
Where does it come in at? Is this the
table or is this the

1373
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:34,480
» No, that's separate buildings. The lower
building is 50,000

1374
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:37,920
and the upper building, the one we're in
now, is 88,000.

1375
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:40,560
» Yeah. So,
we're looking at almost 100.

1376
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:44,160
» 130.
>> Or going on 140.

1377
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,160
» Mhm.

1378
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:58,680
» I think we should try to
budget it for next year. That's my

1379
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,680
thoughts, but

1380
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:04,960
» The uh
>> [clears throat]

1381
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:09,200
» And we all we all did this, too.
Some of the stuff that's going to

1382
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:11,600
be paid off.
How much like some some of the trucks

1383
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,440
and stuff that
>> Um

1384
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:16,800
» That's what I would
>> To be perfectly honest, I think

1385
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,760
» There's no
>> Yeah, I think

1386
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:22,880
» There's nothing.
>> Oh, nothing's paid off. Everything is

1387
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:25,200
» Oh, yeah. The only thing
>> The tractor

1388
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:29,080
» was the tractor. And I don't know why
it's like that. I because we never made

1389
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:34,120
a payment on it. So, when that came up,
I was very like when it was due, we got

1390
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:36,840
it in May of last year. I had no idea
that was coming.

1391
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:39,600
» I spoke with Zach about it. He said,
"Don't know why. Townships just do

1392
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:42,280
that."
>> Um

1393
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:45,600
» Basically, we had a lease with I believe
it was your truck or trucks.

1394
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:49,440
» No, it was truck. Yes, it was.
>> So, that was ending when we got the

1395
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,320
tractor. From what I understood, Megan
just

1396
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:52,160
» Yes.
>> rolled

1397
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:56,160
» No, that was
>> She just continued it with a different

1398
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:59,560
thing. I don't know why, but we make one
payment a year for 5 years.

1399
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:02,640
» Yeah.
>> Yeah, and I I mean if

1400
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:06,280
» But everything else is paid for.
>> Which came

1401
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:10,560
» Um if we
>> Never mind.

1402
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:12,720
» If we think it would be better
uh

1403
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:19,880
budget for next year?
>> Well, that's Our budget for this year

1404
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:23,920
was a I think it was a It was right
around 103 or 100

1405
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:26,320
a million.
>> Yeah.

1406
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:31,240
» So, I mean that's like 10%.
>> Yeah, I know.

1407
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:33,480
» That's yeah, one actually 11 one 1.1.
>> Yeah.

1408
01:27:31,480 --> 01:27:34,920
» So, I mean that's that's a that's a big
jump.

1409
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,560
» Yeah.
>> Right after

1410
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:47,040
And And then maybe that would I don't
know. It just seems like a lot of money

1411
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:49,680
for labor to put new
>> I

1412
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:53,040
I still think that well
>> Well, I'll tell you what we can do. We

1413
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:58,720
can budget it for next year and you guys
find somebody that'll actually do it.

1414
01:27:55,480 --> 01:28:01,320
I don't know any builders. Do you?
I just think that's a lot of money.

1415
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:04,320
» It is a lot of money.
>> Um

1416
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:06,680
» What's the bid?
>> 140,000.

1417
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:08,320
» 140?
>> Yeah.

1418
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:11,200
» To put the tin on?
>> No, it's reframing and everything.

1419
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,080
» It looks like you're just
>> No, we're not

1420
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:16,000
» It looks you're saying
>> just putting tin on it.

1421
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:20,440
» No, the entire walls come down, they're
reframed, insulated, sheathed,

1422
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:25,200
» sheathed, the works.
>> Yeah, trim, gutters.

1423
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:29,880
» Charlie, is that is that reasonable? You
you're in the business.

1424
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:33,760
» I think it's high, but I know I also
when we did what we did, I know what's

1425
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:36,360
involved and it's not a
>> it's I I think it's the man hours that

1426
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:39,360
get you.
>> Yeah, it's

1427
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:41,200
Is there interior plywood now?
>> Mhm.

1428
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:43,680
» It is now, but it wasn't.
>> It wasn't, we did it, yeah.

1429
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,920
» That's
>> And it's and it's

1430
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:49,040
» supplying all the materials.
>> Yes, material Well, the metal. We have

1431
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:52,880
the metal.
We have the metal.

1432
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:56,960
» Yeah, gutters, hardware,
>> Bruce is not involved. The fit the

1433
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:59,720
building down there, we have nothing for
that.

1434
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:02,640
» And and that Yeah, that's a simple one
because there's no framing or anything

1435
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:05,520
like that. Which
>> But there's no metal for that building.

1436
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:07,120
That's why that price for that building
is so high.

1437
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:10,240
» have that at all.
>> That's just a regular steel pole

1438
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,280
building. It's literally going to be
metal off, metal on.

1439
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:16,000
» Yeah.
>> Problem is we don't have that material,

1440
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:20,040
so that's why that price is
>> The only reason I This is I don't I

1441
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:23,280
wasn't I don't know I wasn't involved in
in this part of it,

1442
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:30,160
the the wall insulation and the interior
ply interior plywood and painted and all

1443
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:34,800
that. Um
you know, that that blown on that blown

1444
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:37,560
in the blown on insulation for shops is
is really

1445
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:40,120
You familiar?
>> Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

1446
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,360
» Yeah.
Um

1447
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:43,680
» Are you saying that would be a good idea
or

1448
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:47,120
» Yeah, I think it's going to be a lot
more economical.

1449
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:50,480
» It will also be a lot more money.
>> Yeah, that's right.

1450
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:54,000
» You think? Cuz I I I priced There's some
people Well, then again, if it has to be

1451
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:56,840
a sealed sealed bid. Well, I don't know
you might be 25,000. If you break it up,

1452
01:29:55,640 --> 01:30:00,200
you might be able to get it down below
25,000 a shop. Well, you got to be

1453
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,360
careful about
>> Oh, yeah, that That's what I was going

1454
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:04,640
to say. That's a lawyer question.
>> You got to be careful about breaking out

1455
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:08,600
» But we can
>> if it's a full project. no

1456
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:11,240
» why we can't budget it for next year and
get your heads together.

1457
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:15,400
» And try to get some money in
>> to be done, but you know what? 20 years?

1458
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:18,520
» I mean, I've sat out here and looked at
the front of the building and

1459
01:30:16,440 --> 01:30:21,280
» I'll just keep cleaning the bird crap
off the truck. It's not a big deal.

1460
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:24,240
» Can
Can you put it back out for bids or is

1461
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:28,760
it going to wait till next year?
>> Yeah, we'll we'll still get some

1462
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:31,600
Hopefully get some people.
>> I was going to say you get get some word

1463
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:33,280
of mouth out there saying, "Hey, you
need to place this bid."

1464
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,400
» Yeah.
>> You know, if

1465
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:39,600
» That's why I asked
>> Yeah. Cuz I was hopeful. You know, I had

1466
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:44,760
three or four people that I met with,
measured the building and everything,

1467
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:49,120
and then one guy this morning. So.
Is that Is that all you have on the

1468
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:51,280
budget?
On the budget?

1469
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:55,600
» Yep. I I'll tell you it's getting late
enough. I just All that All that I want

1470
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:59,560
to do is just review it. Um
I mean, like I said, we're

1471
01:30:57,720 --> 01:31:01,960
The The biggest things that we just have
to keep in mind are these things that I

1472
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:04,920
talked about.
Um

1473
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:07,800
and and we we have to everything else,
like I said,

1474
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:12,400
the the
you know, we just have to wait and see

1475
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:14,760
where we're at. Um
>> I planned to start on this much earlier

1476
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:18,400
and
>> Yeah, I was going to say next year will

1477
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:21,800
be a different a whole different
>> So. And And the other thing, too, and I

1478
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:25,360
don't I don't
just to say it, but I know there was

1479
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:28,440
talk about a salt shed.
And um

1480
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:33,160
» Well, that's a that's liquid fuels money
to start with that can be paid for that.

1481
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:37,120
And that's a
a down the road thing.

1482
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:41,840
We are, thanks to Clark, I know he's not
here and I hope you're watching, he

1483
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:44,760
figured out how, some way, that all this
equipment can fit in these buildings.

1484
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:49,080
» Is that the reason
>> And it is it is like that. It's

1485
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:53,320
impressive, but he got it. So, him and
Chuck are really good at that, and I

1486
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:56,560
just kind of put it where they tell me
it's good.

1487
01:31:54,920 --> 01:32:01,680
That was the original idea was that we
would need more room, and we don't know

1488
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:04,880
We even got the
We got Bob's favorite truck the GMC even

1489
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:07,840
inside.
So.

1490
01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:12,720
» The only thing I would say to that is
I think it could use more room.

1491
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:15,160
Because of a salt shed, you know these
new salt sheds are putting up these

1492
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,560
cement blocks and hoop building.
>> Yeah, yeah, that's what I that's what I

1493
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:20,400
was
>> Right, right. Is is

1494
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:23,440
I mean, it's cost money. But what I'm
this is what I want to say.

1495
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:24,560
The Tetris thing
>> Yeah.

1496
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:28,360
» is time.
>> It is it is time.

1497
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:32,600
» And if if we get out more room
>> Well, the other the other issue is our

1498
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:38,800
salt storage is 400 tons.
One good storm is all we need and I will

1499
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:43,600
deplete it. So, now it's good York
Township has 5,000 tons on hand and I

1500
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:48,240
can call them and send a truck and get
it. But it's it's it's nicer to have a

1501
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:52,640
cushion that that you can hold 1,000
tons or something in the event that

1502
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:58,000
mother nature really throws it on us.
So, but it's you know, it'll work out.

1503
01:32:56,440 --> 01:33:01,800
» Okay, can we get to the big one yet?
>> Yeah, let's get out of data center

1504
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:04,720
ordinances.
Amendments.

1505
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:08,720
» Amendments.
>> Anybody got any ideas? I have one. I

1506
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:12,320
don't I I
>> Andy, I don't want them to use our word

1507
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:15,320
period.
>> Whatever we can do.

1508
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:22,480
» I don't I mean, do we have the we have
the language in there about

1509
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:25,800
the water study?
>> Mhm.

1510
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:25,800
» Um

1511
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:31,320
I I you know, I
>> Yeah.

1512
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:33,720
» But some of this stuff is going to be
challenged in courts and we haven't been

1513
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:34,920
there yet.
>> Yeah.

1514
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:37,000
» Okay.
>> I think it's new for everybody across

1515
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:40,960
the board.
>> Yeah. Um

1516
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:45,360
» The other thing that really bothered me
was people and I did that this is 100%

1517
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:48,000
hearsay of me reading
um

1518
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:52,800
about people's elect energy bills going
up in the surrounding areas that they're

1519
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:56,440
built or talked about being built.
>> Well, I think over energy is going up

1520
01:33:54,520 --> 01:34:01,080
because of the data centers. It's not I
mean, we're we're paying we're we're

1521
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:06,040
we're pushing on
you know, we were paying seven and we're

1522
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:10,120
pushing on 11 and 1/2, 11 six now. So,
it's it's it's going and we're all

1523
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:14,520
suffering because of it.
I would like I would like to see what he

1524
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:19,120
said, no water.
>> Mhm.

1525
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:20,680
» So, they use a closed system without
>> No access.

1526
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:25,320
» Yeah.
>> You get all water.

1527
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:25,320
And

1528
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:34,120
and with that, I think we're oversized.
I think we need to re-look at the the

1529
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:37,880
the the setbacks.
Um I was under the assumption we had to

1530
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:41,840
stick with a 100,000 square foot
building.

1531
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:43,960
And that's not 20,000 square feet where
these things start at.

1532
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:46,800
» That's right.
>> And and it's a it's called an

1533
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:49,760
Interceptor
data center

1534
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:54,480
is what it's called.
Um

1535
01:34:51,720 --> 01:35:00,640
I I think we need to we need to and I
have a

1536
01:34:55,520 --> 01:35:05,120
between noise and the the uh
between the noise and the the vibration,

1537
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:10,240
um
I think that we need to go to 300 feet

1538
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:13,840
because of
um all these properties that we have are

1539
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:16,800
bordered by residents.
>> Yeah.

1540
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:21,000
» Um
and along with that, we go to that 300

1541
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:25,421
feet, it's going to bring what I came up
what I came up with was that we come

1542
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:29,320
down to um
>> [clears throat]

1543
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:35,720
» roughly a 30,000 square foot building,
30 30,500 foot square foot building.

1544
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:41,720
Um at a
um

1545
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:44,480
a setback of 300 feet.
>> What's the building down there now?

1546
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:47,920
» Uh
>> Close to that.

1547
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:51,880
» Is it close to that? Well, that building
wouldn't work cuz it's sitting too close

1548
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:55,640
to the property line.
Um

1549
01:35:53,880 --> 01:36:01,600
and here again
with that 300-ft setback, it it and I'm

1550
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:03,880
I'm not a
North Caddo Parish, from what I

1551
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:07,680
understand, they have one-piece
property.

1552
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:10,520
And that's down here for a reason.
That's why commercial property that's

1553
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:14,040
it. Industrial.
>> Industrial. These are industrial.

1554
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:19,960
» So,
that's my statement. That other property

1555
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:25,960
that Diesel Pro won't work for 300 ft.
But I still think 300 ft is a better

1556
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:29,440
option for um
the noise control,

1557
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:33,480
the
the PPB the PPV

1558
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:37,880
um
And and I I have

1559
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:41,360
And and this is
uh

1560
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:45,920
I I I have information. We can talk
about it. We We don't have to. Um I

1561
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:48,680
That's a big one for me is a 300-ft
setback.

1562
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:49,920
» And the setback currently is what? 1
>> 50.

1563
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:51,200
» 150?
>> 125.

1564
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:54,720
» Yeah.
>> 125.

1565
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:58,080
» And the reason we did that was because I
thought 100,000 sq ft was the the the

1566
01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:59,440
jump off.
>> Right.

1567
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:01,560
» And it's not.
>> It's smaller.

1568
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:05,840
» It's smaller. So,
>> And what you're saying is this if we did

1569
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:08,040
that, it would basically be this
one-piece property.

1570
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,440
» It would only be that one-piece
property.

1571
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:12,320
» piece of property.
>> Have you been approached for a data

1572
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:16,360
center?
>> Years ago before

1573
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:19,040
you all were here
with uh

1574
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:21,760
uh
Keith Adams office.

1575
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:30,240
But there's no electric at the property
for the data center. Well,

1576
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:33,600
it depends.
>> That gas line can be used to make

1577
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:35,440
electricity.
>> That was

1578
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:38,840
» I talked to a guy that does it.
>> Yeah. That was another one of mine point

1579
01:37:37,480 --> 01:37:41,320
here is that we don't have any Right
now, we don't have anything in the order

1580
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:44,937
that's about
um building about something that would

1581
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:46,280
create their own power. We have no
>> [clears throat]

1582
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:48,000
» We have nothing in that area about
>> Yeah.

1583
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:50,760
» Yeah.
Um

1584
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:55,680
That would That would if if we'd
eliminate the water thing, that would

1585
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:58,840
take away a big chunk of our concerns.
>> I'm not sure that

1586
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:03,440
uh
I mean, I think that a water feasibility

1587
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:06,080
study as to to how it relates to other
properties

1588
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:11,720
I
I'm not sure that we can say people

1589
01:38:09,480 --> 01:38:17,640
can't use their own water.
>> No, you said that before.

1590
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:20,920
» Right. I I've not looked into it, but if
you know, a well that

1591
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:22,960
you know
>> Maybe we could set

1592
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:26,760
» close You're getting close to telling
people that, you know, that they don't

1593
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:30,040
have the right to use what's on
>> Free well on their own property, yeah.

1594
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:33,600
» Yeah, that's what it got down to, that
they didn't they didn't say they

1595
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:36,640
couldn't use it. They only said you can
only use it for certain things.

1596
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,560
» Right.
>> And that was

1597
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:43,120
» And that's Yeah.
>> That's a good idea because it eliminates

1598
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:46,840
the ability of data center to to They'd
have to use a closed water system.

1599
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:50,800
» Right. They wouldn't be able to Right.
>> And it would be really hard for them to

1600
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:54,520
even have enough water to maintain the
rest of the water center.

1601
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:57,080
» Why don't rather
I mean

1602
01:38:55,720 --> 01:39:02,120
I'm not trying to shut down the
conversation, but it you know, it's been

1603
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:04,960
a long day. Why do people put these in
the writing?

1604
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:06,720
And
>> I have a I have a list here of what

1605
01:39:06,440 --> 01:39:09,480
we're doing.
>> Yeah. I mean, and and I mean, I was just

1606
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:12,240
uh
>> Can I just real quick say

1607
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:15,000
» Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The only reason I
say this, Andy, is because

1608
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:16,480
» have something I want to say, too.
>> Go ahead.

1609
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:21,080
» No, go ahead.
>> We we sat We sat in this meeting and we

1610
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:24,360
told these people that we were going to
come back and we were going to So,

1611
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:28,200
that's that's the reason And some of
these people are here tonight.

1612
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:31,120
Um
There's a couple other There's a couple

1613
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:34,280
other things, and I'm not banging on you
here, I'm just pointing them out. A

1614
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:38,680
couple other things that seem a little
weak in the in the thing. One of them

1615
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:43,960
was under um
the power the power lines coming in. It

1616
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:47,440
was suggested that we
um

1617
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:51,240
if it's a if it's available or if it's
feasible to

1618
01:39:49,480 --> 01:39:53,640
to bury them.
Um

1619
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:57,040
if we could just change that and say
that we'd like to see that they need to

1620
01:39:55,200 --> 01:40:01,240
be buried. Burying power lines serving
the property is strongly encouraged.

1621
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:04,800
How about we just say that property
lines serving the property shall

1622
01:40:03,144 --> 01:40:06,800
[clears throat] be
buried.

1623
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:11,080
Um I think
>> I'll have a look at that.

1624
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:14,280
You're you're I guess the order. Well,
and and utilities.

1625
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:17,480
We're just dealing with utilities
instead of PUC has a say in some of this

1626
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:20,480
stuff, but I don't have
>> You know, I'm just suggesting.

1627
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:23,720
» Yeah, that's fine. Yeah.
>> Um

1628
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:28,760
» And all these farm lands are going to be
tore up as they do this.

1629
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:30,560
» I sure hope that never happens.
>> But it

1630
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,400
» Yeah, I I
>> They're coming through all the farms

1631
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:34,240
here and there.
>> Yeah.

1632
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:37,600
» And if you want to protect agriculture,
you're going to let all these

1633
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:42,560
transmission lines to come through all
the farm the fields.

1634
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,560
» What do we do?

1635
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:50,880
» We already have it designated to one
property.

1636
01:40:47,480 --> 01:40:53,760
» Yeah. I I it's either that it's
I don't

1637
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:58,840
» Can I Can I say something that and I
don't just everybody listen to this.

1638
01:40:56,840 --> 01:41:02,360
So, we've made this
when we had it we've had this discussion

1639
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:08,320
for how long?
And by doing what we did

1640
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:12,560
there is no we never had any designated
industrial property. It was businesses

1641
01:41:11,160 --> 01:41:16,320
that
became

1642
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:20,640
during zoning they became what
we now call

1643
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:24,680
non-ag or and
commercial zones.

1644
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:28,000
And most of these commercial zones are
like you're saying is surrounded by

1645
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:33,440
people.
So, by eliminating putting it

1646
01:41:31,480 --> 01:41:37,200
anywhere in the township
on farm ground or whatever, there are

1647
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:41,800
places that we could put it that it
wouldn't affect people

1648
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:47,945
as much as it would there.
But we eliminated that by making it just

1649
01:41:45,320 --> 01:41:51,200
commercial. So, I've
>> [clears throat]

1650
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:56,120
» But if if we if we take it and we put it
out here which you're saying, but if we

1651
01:41:53,000 --> 01:42:00,040
if we take a chunk of ground and say
this 300 acres is suitable for data

1652
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:05,080
center.
That's that's inviting a data center to

1653
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:07,920
be built here.
And and I

1654
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:10,800
I I
>> But Jason, we can't you can't do that.

1655
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:14,440
» No.
>> The way our ordinance The way our

1656
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:19,440
ordinance is now, you can't do that.
I've said it a hundred times.

1657
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:22,400
» If that's the way the ordinance was,
then

1658
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:26,120
» That's probably why there's no data
center here because of what we have in

1659
01:42:24,440 --> 01:42:31,160
place. But anyhow,
>> I I don't I don't I don't see that the

1660
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:35,880
if we don't have a
uh we don't have an ordinance for it,

1661
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:39,691
» I I know. I
>> then they can come in and they can come

1662
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:44,000
in and you know what I mean?
>> [clears throat]

1663
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:48,240
» I did this 10 minutes before we had this
meeting cuz I couldn't I didn't have any

1664
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:52,880
of these these maps at home. Actually,
this is the map that I did the first one

1665
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:58,520
on that I gave you guys and and did the
125 for the 100,000 square feet.

1666
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,520
Um

1667
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:05,800
This is not a a ploy to keep it on one
piece of property.

1668
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:09,880
If if we want to we want to leave it at
the 125 so there's more than one piece

1669
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:12,840
of property, that's fine.
What I've been finding with the

1670
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:16,720
vibrations
um and the sound

1671
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:20,480
um
it's going to be difficult

1672
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:25,440
because
uh at 40

1673
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:33,800
at 40 dBA
um we have it right now at 60 dBA

1674
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:37,600
with a a sensitive receptor line, which
is like a

1675
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:43,120
school
daycare something like that.

1676
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:47,760
The the the noise has to be at 60 dBA.
And 60 dBA

1677
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:47,760
um

1678
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:55,000
Uh
60 dBA

1679
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:55,000
is like uh

1680
01:43:55,200 --> 01:44:04,240
a dishwasher or a busy urban street.
That's 55 to 65. That's what they say.

1681
01:44:01,160 --> 01:44:07,200
Um but that's constant.
>> Oh, yeah, it's not

1682
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:11,640
» It's not constant. It's constant. And
they they they claim in here

1683
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:16,680
that you know, these noises that just
never go away down to 35 to 40 dB

1684
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:23,320
A,
it gives sleep disruption, fatigue.

1685
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:27,120
Um 45 to 55 stress annoyance, lower
focus. And as you go up, it just gets

1686
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:32,360
worse and worse and worse.
>> And also they've stated that these

1687
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:36,120
data centers, the low-level homes are
operating on a different wavelength.

1688
01:44:34,440 --> 01:44:40,080
They're They're They're not even sure
how to measure it yet. Scientists are

1689
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:44,680
working on it trying to So, a lot of
these data centers are getting decibel

1690
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:49,080
or prepared They're getting decibel
ratings they need to be at. And they're

1691
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:52,160
they're they're meeting them
because they can't detect you know, they

1692
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:54,920
can't detect the sound right.
>> to do our own study.

1693
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:58,040
» Well, that that was one of my other
things is that all these studies have to

1694
01:44:56,640 --> 01:45:00,320
be a third-party study.
>> Yeah.

1695
01:44:58,240 --> 01:45:04,800
» They can't They cannot cuz in the in the
ordinance it's written that

1696
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:08,120
it has to be a
um

1697
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:11,840
qualified professional. Well, that could
be one of their qualified professionals.

1698
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:15,720
So, it every all the ordinances are all
the performance studies have to be

1699
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:19,240
third-party.
Um

1700
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:22,560
The biggest I guess the biggest the
first one to start with is this is the

1701
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:25,440
setbacks um
because [clears throat] everything falls

1702
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:31,960
off of that.
Uh if you keep it a smaller, a smaller

1703
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,960
data center, which

1704
01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:38,000
I really think it's going to be a
struggle to get a data center here.

1705
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:42,040
If we
>> I just want to make a statement for Lori

1706
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:45,320
and I and I'm maybe not allowed to say
this. Um

1707
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:51,040
we can promise the residents of Gooder
Grove Township

1708
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:56,720
that
if our property was approached for a

1709
01:45:52,840 --> 01:46:00,080
data center while we own it,
if we had the legal ability, we would

1710
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:04,160
refuse that.
>> You always have the legal ability.

1711
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:09,320
» Yeah. So, I we we want the people of
Gooder Grove Township to know that. We

1712
01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:11,560
we are content with the property the way
it is.

1713
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:15,080
Um
I I might call it a mobile home builder

1714
01:46:13,480 --> 01:46:20,880
sometime, but that I have the legal
right to do that. But, um

1715
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:23,320
we have no intentions. And that's a
commitment that we'll make to Gooder

1716
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:27,280
Grove Township.
If that helps the conversation in any

1717
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:32,280
way.
And if you know me,

1718
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:36,320
you know that that's true. That my word
is my bond.

1719
01:46:33,680 --> 01:46:40,320
My integrity will speak for itself.
So, that you can say that's a promise to

1720
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:43,080
Gooder Grove Township. Now,
I'm in my 60s.

1721
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:54,720
» And that's just the problem. You want to
make a buck. Township, goodbye.

1722
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:54,720
Then we can put a salt shed there.

1723
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:59,640
The building's already there, yeah. You
guys Lilly, you can have this place for

1724
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:02,120
nothing.
>> You can leave me alone.

1725
01:47:01,694 --> 01:47:06,880
» [laughter]
>> Well, there's no fun in that.

1726
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:06,880
What's Trump going to do?

1727
01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:16,320
» That'd be worse cuz he'd sneak up on
you. Additional data centers are still

1728
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:17,280
being built, which are the smaller
>> Right.

1729
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:18,640
» centers.
>> Right.

1730
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:22,200
» So,
>> And they've been around for

1731
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:27,680
» our ordinance our ordinance doesn't plus
their noise level and everything is

1732
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:30,880
different from the AI. And the ordinance
doesn't differentiate between

1733
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:35,160
traditional and AI.
>> Can we differentiate that, Andy?

1734
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:38,374
» Between What What was the question?
>> Traditional data centers. Data centers

1735
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:40,160
been around for a long time.
>> [clears throat]

1736
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:45,200
» And And
Can we Can we

1737
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:49,720
I I still think we have to allow It
doesn't I'm I'm thinking about this as

1738
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:52,680
you said, and you can't uh say we can
have an ordinance to allow traditional

1739
01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:55,360
data centers, but not
>> Yeah.

1740
01:47:54,200 --> 01:48:00,560
» You're going to be You're going to look
at what the predominant use is, right?

1741
01:47:57,680 --> 01:48:02,840
Um you know, a farm that grows soybeans
>> Right.

1742
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:06,480
» is a farm the same that it is
that grows corn, right? It's It's still

1743
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:10,000
the You look at what the predominant use
is.

1744
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:13,280
» But one is smaller than the other.
>> Yeah, there's 10 different at least 10

1745
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:14,920
different kinds of data
>> Oh, yeah.

1746
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:16,880
» Yeah.
>> And they have they've been around for

1747
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:20,800
» There's even mobile
>> That's a good point about setback

1748
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:23,680
because the ordinance that I looked at
for certain types of data center,

1749
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:25,280
setbacks are 400 ft.
>> Yeah. And that's what we had originally

1750
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:29,960
had.
>> Yeah. 500

1751
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:33,200
» And then that's for and part of that was
for noise and stuff like that.

1752
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:37,160
» Yeah. Yeah. And that is right as
the commercial properties are

1753
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:38,080
highly residential around them, you
know.

1754
01:48:37,240 --> 01:48:41,120
» Every one of them.
>> Yeah.

1755
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:43,875
So, with that that noise thing, we have
it at 60 dBA.

1756
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:48,000
Um
>> [clears throat]

1757
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:54,560
» if it was brought down to 40 dBA
we'd have to still go

1758
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:57,960
at at at what they consider non
You know, I just I think about

1759
01:48:56,640 --> 01:49:01,360
people that are living around these
things, and and um

1760
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:04,080
and is that something that we can
require that the noise that has to be

1761
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:08,320
down to that?
>> We can have noise ordinances, yeah. We

1762
01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:10,560
can We can require noise
restrictions.

1763
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:13,800
» on the You know, and and maybe that's
something and I don't I don't I'm not

1764
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:18,320
trying to cause problems for anybody
that's has a has a business already in a

1765
01:49:16,440 --> 01:49:20,640
commercial area. That's what we're
talking about, commercial zoning.

1766
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:23,560
» Yeah.
>> But, you know, that that was a

1767
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:26,360
suggestion that somebody else gave to
you. Maybe it's something that we ought

1768
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:28,720
to kind of upgrade even just for the
commercial zone.

1769
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:32,040
» I have a question. Don't we already have
a noise ordinance and we've always been

1770
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:35,680
told that they're not enforceable? How I
mean, I know it's different with a data

1771
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:40,840
center because maybe
you have official, you know, testers or

1772
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:42,680
whatever, but our noise ordinance
>> Right.

1773
01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:45,440
» currently we've been told it's not
enforceable.

1774
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:49,520
» Well, it's they're always they're always
difficult to enforce, right? Uh because

1775
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:53,040
you need somebody that's qualified on
the

1776
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:56,640
whatever that thing that they use to,
right? Um

1777
01:49:54,800 --> 01:50:00,680
many times you have
uh

1778
01:49:57,320 --> 01:50:06,080
intermit- or, you know, sporadic, right?
Um

1779
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:09,760
So, they're notoriously difficult to
to And and also you,

1780
01:50:08,720 --> 01:50:12,800
you know,
good luck with the state police if you

1781
01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:15,440
call about a noise complaint.
>> Well, I think this would be something

1782
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:19,400
that's That's That's another
>> This is different because it's constant

1783
01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:23,280
» I'm not talking about noise ordinances.
I'm talking about

1784
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:27,000
a third party.
And and the other thing is is that we

1785
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:30,720
have to put something in there that if
it's every 6 months,

1786
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:36,880
I mean, every [snorts] it has to be more
than it cuz if it goes 6 months and and

1787
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:41,720
I and I I'll say too with the
um one of the things that I have written

1788
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:41,720
down is um

1789
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:47,920
enforcing it. Well, enforcing it is
we're going to get caught.

1790
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:52,120
And that's going to take how long in
itself? So, if it goes a year and it's

1791
01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:55,320
not,
you know, they're not held to the held

1792
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:59,480
to the line on it,
then, you know, so to change that, to

1793
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:01,840
put that in that it's a, you know, a
third party inspection

1794
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:05,680
» recurring
>> Well, I mean, I think with that would be

1795
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:09,280
just look like the township would just
be

1796
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:12,520
you know, the township would hire the
>> The The under their cost. Their cost.

1797
01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:15,440
» Yeah.
>> They have to hire a third party.

1798
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:19,560
» Yeah. We have a
say

1799
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:21,440
who gets hired. With our discretion or
>> It has to be a third party.

1800
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:24,600
» Yeah.
>> Any Any kind of studies or whatever, you

1801
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:27,040
have
>> Um

1802
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:33,960
That That's That's That's I mean it it's
like you said, Andy, it's getting late.

1803
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:38,640
But that's the continued testing third
party for sound, vibration, air quality,

1804
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:41,440
water quality. Um self-made power
plants.

1805
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:45,960
Um
the increased electric usage

1806
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:49,280
I think to create a bond for that is
kind of out of touch. I just don't know

1807
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:52,200
how you can do that.
>> I don't know. Maybe you can.

1808
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:54,600
» Uh That's Again, that's there There
you're getting into utility.

1809
01:51:53,480 --> 01:51:57,320
» Right. Right. Right.
>> Which is a highly regulated

1810
01:51:55,680 --> 01:52:03,200
» And I think we're already all We're all
already are all paying for it. On the

1811
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:05,640
PPV, ours on right now is at a a point
two.

1812
01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:13,240
Um
This is probably even more sensitive

1813
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:13,240
than the sound. Um at a point two

1814
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:16,240
Um

1815
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:22,520
This is course AI.
>> You're using data so much, [laughter]

1816
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:23,760
Jason.
>> I know I am.

1817
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:27,920
» Sure.
>> But it's so easy.

1818
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:33,040
Um
So

1819
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:39,480
It's so easy, too. So, a point one to
bring down to a point 05, which is

1820
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:46,840
what they would consider undetectable,
is a is it not? Is is barely perceptible

1821
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:50,440
is a point 01 to a point 835.
Um

1822
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:54,520
It would have to be 600 ft.
That's where I was trying to make the

1823
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:58,840
300 ft work.
It says it would be 600 ft from the

1824
01:52:57,200 --> 01:53:04,720
source.
So, basically, what you're doing is is

1825
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:09,080
that you're you're multiplying the
point one

1826
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:13,240
you're it down. So, to be the point 05,
it would be 600 ft from the 300 ft of

1827
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:17,280
the source.
Um,

1828
01:53:14,440 --> 01:53:22,560
of the the vibration.
And the vibration examples of the

1829
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:22,560
vibration are um

1830
01:53:26,160 --> 01:53:33,400
Uh, they made it sound like a a train.
Train at a distance or something.

1831
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:36,560
» But it would be constant.
>> Yes, it wouldn't move, yeah.

1832
01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:40,400
» Or something.
>> So, I don't know if we could bring it

1833
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:42,560
down to a point one instead of a point
two

1834
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:47,120
or not.
>> Biggest problem is so new to everybody.

1835
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:50,360
» That's it.
>> What I would say is just put let's put

1836
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:51,680
together a written list.
>> Yep.

1837
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:55,760
» Um
Yeah, I mean I you know, you all can do

1838
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:58,920
it however you want.
So, it's totally up to you.

1839
01:53:57,280 --> 01:54:01,120
» Well, you've already got a list going.
>> But

1840
01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:05,920
» And I I have it.
>> Go.

1841
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:09,160
I I I would caution against, you know,
every month trying to tweak it a little

1842
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:11,960
bit here, a little bit there. We're
going to get into a lot You're going to

1843
01:54:10,440 --> 01:54:14,000
have You're going to have hearings every
single month.

1844
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:17,360
» So, what we can get a list together,
send it to you, you can come up with

1845
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:18,800
something and
>> Yep.

1846
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:22,920
» So,
can Do you think if we if I sent you

1847
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:26,440
that list, if you guys are in agreement
with all these things that we talked

1848
01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:29,440
about,
um, so next month we we could have

1849
01:54:28,440 --> 01:54:31,120
something to look at?
>> I would think so.

1850
01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:32,840
» Yeah.
>> Wonderful.

1851
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:35,320
» Yeah.
>> Go.

1852
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:37,600
» All right.
Secretary

1853
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:40,880
» And we can add what?
A little add in.

1854
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:41,720
» Yeah, we can say we can add we can add
that.

1855
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:44,520
» Yep.
>> Um

1856
01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:50,120
For the sake of time.
Secretary attending P SAT classes?

1857
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:50,120
She wants to go to school.

1858
01:54:50,840 --> 01:54:53,280
» Uh

1859
01:54:54,680 --> 01:55:00,600
» Yeah, I know.
>> I think it's an awesome idea.

1860
01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:04,240
» Every P SAT class I've attended, I've
always walked away with something.

1861
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:05,880
Uh third grade
They are

1862
01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:11,200
Yeah.
>> Had a big municipality, too. Yeah, man.

1863
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:13,320
Awesome. Got good information. John
Barry used to be the mayor of New York.

1864
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:15,080
Awesome.
>> Good to know.

1865
01:55:14,040 --> 01:55:21,320
» Amazing.
>> So, it's $60 for one

1866
01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:21,320
» Total at the end.

1867
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:23,800
» Do you think?

1868
01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:33,920
I hear the secretary
4:35 for a total of one

1869
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:37,880
two, three, four, five
sessions. And

1870
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:40,000
QuickBooks is a part of that.
>> It's actually six cuz the one is two

1871
01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:42,800
days.
>> Okay, good.

1872
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:45,440
Anything else?
>> No, sorry.

1873
01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:47,880
Just an approval.
>> I think it's great. Uh

1874
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:51,200
» Awesome.
>> I think

1875
01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:54,840
the more of that the better. Cuz anytime
I can do one for

1876
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:58,880
roadmaster or
supervisor, I try to. So, I'd make a

1877
01:55:57,080 --> 01:56:01,400
motion to
approve.

1878
01:56:02,120 --> 01:56:07,520
» I second.
>> All those in favor give their consent by

1879
01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:10,000
saying I.
>> I.

1880
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:12,880
» I.
>> Motion carried.

1881
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:16,240
Trash contract.
>> Is it in there?

1882
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:20,840
» Let's see.
>> No.

1883
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:24,040
» Yeah. So, um
>> It's going to be one in progress.

1884
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:26,840
» Yeah, we've got a little time on this,
but it's best to start the conversation

1885
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:32,760
now.
Um one thing that we are experiencing

1886
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:36,560
across the municipalities in York are
fewer and fewer

1887
01:56:35,160 --> 01:56:38,480
uh
the bid. Yeah.

1888
01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:43,640
» Yeah.
>> I have to write. Do you want to

1889
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:48,800
basically keep everything the same?
>> I think we'll pretty much do

1890
01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:52,720
the way we always have it.
>> Okay.

1891
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:54,640
Um one a couple
I'm sorry.

1892
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:58,280
» I don't I don't know what
I don't understand what we could change.

1893
01:56:56,320 --> 01:57:04,520
» Well, you could Okay, so for example,
you could you could do you could take

1894
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:07,720
away the back option. Okay? You could uh
go to

1895
01:57:08,440 --> 01:57:11,960
And we don't have we don't require
people to have be

1896
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:14,760
» No.
>> No, you're not required. You can take it

1897
01:57:13,680 --> 01:57:20,000
out back and light it on fire.
>> Right. You could require you you could

1898
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:24,080
require everybody to pay a fee for your
trash service.

1899
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:29,280
» Yeah, you could do that. Right. But
>> Um

1900
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:35,920
The the thing that a lot of them are are
now really strongly encouraging, if some

1901
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:38,080
of them are almost requiring it, are the
toters.

1902
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:41,560
» For the
for the one-man trucks.

1903
01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:45,960
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> And I I do know that there has been

1904
01:57:43,480 --> 01:57:49,200
issues with Penn Waste for that reason
alone. People, you know, there's been

1905
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:51,480
plenty issues because they don't have
the help.

1906
01:57:49,640 --> 01:57:56,960
» So, would you want to go to that? Would
you want to mandate toters?

1907
01:57:55,160 --> 01:58:01,520
Anybody who's using it.
>> Okay. Okay. Not forcing people to do it.

1908
01:57:59,120 --> 01:58:07,840
» No, no. Whoever right, whoever is opting
in would have would would use a toter.

1909
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:09,880
» I've gotten countless complaints about
it.

1910
01:58:08,200 --> 01:58:13,360
» About?
>> Mixing.

1911
01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:14,960
» Yes, they'll want they'll run one truck
and put the recycling in the trash

1912
01:58:14,760 --> 01:58:16,640
truck.
>> complaining?

1913
01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:19,200
» Residents.
>> About what?

1914
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:22,800
» About them paying for two separate
services and then everything being put

1915
01:58:21,200 --> 01:58:25,840
in one truck.
>> They don't They They do not separate the

1916
01:58:24,720 --> 01:58:29,400
recycle and the trash.
>> If they don't have the help and they

1917
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:30,600
only run a trash truck, they will put
Because they think you [laughter] can do

1918
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:32,760
that.
>> And they they just

1919
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:34,280
» Yeah, they do that, all right.
>> They do.

1920
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:37,640
» I I I mean, it's
>> They do it in Baltimore City, too.

1921
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:40,640
» I I think that might be a problem.
>> Well,

1922
01:58:38,480 --> 01:58:43,840
that's true because they're
complete loads for God's sake.

1923
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:46,240
» Well, they don't pick it up. That's my
complaint.

1924
01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:52,160
» Yes, and I [laughter] I have heard that
>> I'm pretty sure you already going to

1925
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:55,120
Bob.
Is the roll off included in this?

1926
01:58:54,600 --> 01:58:58,040
» Yes.
>> I should say so, yeah.

1927
01:58:56,040 --> 01:59:00,920
» Yeah, so the roll off is part of this
this deal.

1928
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:05,880
» They do that for us, I'm pretty sure.
>> Yeah, that was part of the It cost us

1929
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:10,360
That was part of the rent. 7,800 bucks a
year.

1930
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:14,920
» Yeah, that was part of a We needed to
>> They pick up I'm sorry, they pick up

1931
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:16,520
our trash.
Right? They just pick up our trash for

1932
01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:18,400
us.
>> That's right, Dan.

1933
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:24,560
» That's what they did.
>> Our recycling dumpster was a requirement

1934
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:28,640
» Yes.
>> to be a part of a program or something

1935
01:59:26,440 --> 01:59:30,480
to that I can find There is something to
that effect. It's There's a catch to

1936
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:34,440
that.
>> You're on the right track, but I can't

1937
01:59:33,080 --> 01:59:40,400
» Well, the only question I have going
over this budget is that we we got a

1938
01:59:36,960 --> 01:59:43,680
$3,000 a year grant for the roll off.
>> Yeah.

1939
01:59:40,840 --> 01:59:47,360
» But it's costing us $7,800 a year.
>> Yeah, it's because people throw

1940
01:59:45,880 --> 01:59:51,760
car parts and everything else in. I just
wondered if if if somehow we could and

1941
01:59:49,880 --> 01:59:56,520
» And there is That's great. And and we
use it. And I we use it, but

1942
01:59:54,600 --> 02:00:00,000
you know, everybody in town is just
paying for that. Some people don't use

1943
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:05,360
it because they're already paying for
their trash pick up.

1944
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:05,360
Yep.

1945
02:00:05,560 --> 02:00:10,880
» You can do it however you want.
>> I just wondered I'm not I'm not trying

1946
02:00:08,920 --> 02:00:13,520
to I mean, we can we can do it at
>> I mean, we can basically Yeah.

1947
02:00:12,240 --> 02:00:16,080
» When does When does this When does this
>> I just wondered how it worked.

1948
02:00:14,800 --> 02:00:17,560
» What's our timeline on this?
>> March.

1949
02:00:16,760 --> 02:00:18,480
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

1950
02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:19,560
» We got some time.
>> We got some time.

1951
02:00:19,240 --> 02:00:20,960
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

1952
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:22,400
» But it's
>> Sorry.

1953
02:00:21,440 --> 02:00:24,920
» No, no, go ahead.
>> The bags I do not think we should get

1954
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:27,240
rid of.
I just

1955
02:00:25,720 --> 02:00:29,000
» There are some Yeah, that's true.
>> utilize it.

1956
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:31,720
» There are some people that are good
enough to make their trash for an entire

1957
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:34,560
week.
>> Yes.

1958
02:00:32,200 --> 02:00:38,360
» Now that the
what What Again, one of the things I

1959
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:40,360
would encourage you to think about are
the totes.

1960
02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:44,080
» Yeah.
>> I I don't Off the top of my head, there

1961
02:00:42,920 --> 02:00:47,400
would be no reason that you couldn't
still utilize the bag option.

1962
02:00:46,040 --> 02:00:52,200
» Right. Every once in a while you have to
it in. Everyone's Yeah.

1963
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:53,440
» The fourth thing. Is that the fourth
thing?

1964
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:55,920
» Yes.
>> Isn't that what everybody Isn't that

1965
02:00:54,520 --> 02:00:57,280
what everybody's using?
>> No.

1966
02:00:56,080 --> 02:01:00,440
» No, no.
They have the manual with guys hanging

1967
02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:06,040
on the back.
The toters are one man, one truck, all

1968
02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:08,560
automated. No, around here it's all
>> Yeah, we have manual.

1969
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:13,480
» Some people use toters, right?
>> They do, but they're not So, the Penn

1970
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:18,400
Waste trucks now, they have lifts on the
back of them to assist. So, if you have

1971
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:20,040
a toter, yeah, I think you can buy one
for that.

1972
02:01:18,640 --> 02:01:24,680
» be a truck that would come through and
grab it. A grab man. Take Yes. And that

1973
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:28,760
would be a a cost savings, but yeah, it
would probably cost more money for the

1974
02:01:26,920 --> 02:01:32,400
consumer.
>> So, these are things we need to

1975
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:35,440
We want to look at it before we make
>> That's why I wanted it up so early.

1976
02:01:34,520 --> 02:01:37,200
» This is something we need to think
about.

1977
02:01:36,440 --> 02:01:41,640
Yeah, so
>> Um the other thing and I do I do

1978
02:01:40,280 --> 02:01:46,000
recommend
Well, I mean

1979
02:01:43,480 --> 02:01:51,680
I think in terms of getting bids,
um

1980
02:01:47,160 --> 02:01:55,400
we I I think last time had it same price
each year

1981
02:01:53,160 --> 02:01:59,400
uh for the three-year contract. Now,
what they're asking is to be able to bid

1982
02:01:57,040 --> 02:02:01,920
each year differently.
Um

1983
02:02:00,440 --> 02:02:04,640
so that they know that they're going to
so that they can build in their cost

1984
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:08,320
increases.
Um and then the other thing is that they

1985
02:02:06,480 --> 02:02:14,320
some of them want escalator clauses
where if something

1986
02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:14,320
goes haywire, you know,

1987
02:02:14,360 --> 02:02:17,600
» And there's some new players in town
when it comes to trash.

1988
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:20,320
» There are. Uh
there's Waste

1989
02:02:18,760 --> 02:02:22,400
Management. Waste Management is is I
just saw them up in Lebanon this

1990
02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:27,000
morning.
>> we we actually got a phone call from

1991
02:02:24,360 --> 02:02:31,000
Goods several, maybe six or eight months
ago. Yeah. Just inquiring when they're,

1992
02:02:29,720 --> 02:02:35,760
you know,
>> So, and and I know that there's now I

1993
02:02:34,520 --> 02:02:40,640
don't know if they're getting into the
residential, but um

1994
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:44,560
they they sent a representative to
another township that I represent and

1995
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:46,560
that's Casella. They're new.
Um

1996
02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:49,760
» Okay.
>> They took it for a trial.

1997
02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:51,640
» Okay. Okay. Yeah.
We got some options out there.

1998
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:56,000
» Yeah, so
>> Yeah, so so

1999
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:58,000
Lily, have you given this to them?
>> Mhm.

2000
02:02:56,560 --> 02:02:59,400
» Can you make Can you just send that to
them all of them?

2001
02:02:58,560 --> 02:03:04,600
» Yeah.
>> The last time we took bids, we they you

2002
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:07,680
guys not wasn't you guys, but the
previous guys picked Penn Waste, and

2003
02:03:06,320 --> 02:03:10,120
when we questioned that, they said they
only got one bid.

2004
02:03:08,720 --> 02:03:13,600
» Yes, we did. Yes.
>> Can't you like

2005
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:18,080
like like call goods or or say, "Hey,
will you bid?" Can I mean, can you do

2006
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:22,240
that?
>> Usually when a bidding process is

2007
02:03:19,880 --> 02:03:26,240
started, uh I I can speak for
construction materials.

2008
02:03:24,120 --> 02:03:27,720
A mass emails are sent out saying, "Hey,
we're doing this."

2009
02:03:27,200 --> 02:03:30,440
» We're accepting bids.
>> Send your bids.

2010
02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:34,840
» We are We're accepting your bids.
>> it was three or four that was actually

2011
02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:37,960
and they actually sent
the notification back that we weren't

2012
02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:41,400
» Yeah, yeah, we don't want to
>> But they They were They were notified.

2013
02:03:39,680 --> 02:03:43,400
» Republic specifically said they did not
get any.

2014
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:44,720
» Yeah, right.
>> Yeah.

2015
02:03:43,640 --> 02:03:47,800
» That's frustrating.
>> Yeah, it is. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

2016
02:03:46,480 --> 02:03:50,760
» But isn't it if it's over a certain
threshold, you can't make telephone

2017
02:03:49,240 --> 02:03:51,640
bids, right? I mean, you can't call out
to them.

2018
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:55,680
» Telephone bids.
>> Cuz it's over that 24 or 25

2019
02:03:53,040 --> 02:03:58,520
» The telephone So so
So that's what what that is is the the

2020
02:03:57,400 --> 02:04:02,040
quotes.
If it's under [clears throat] a certain

2021
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:05,680
amount, you can get three quotes.
If and then

2022
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:09,120
» 13 or 14,000 is all that it is, though.
>> Yeah, that's the quotes, but but you

2023
02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:12,120
could still alert people that hey, we're
taking bids. Feel free to

2024
02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:15,280
» That's what we usually That's what we
usually try and do. Get them out there

2025
02:04:14,320 --> 02:04:17,960
so that they know about it.
>> So So Lily, if you're able, could you

2026
02:04:17,160 --> 02:04:19,200
send this to them?
>> Yeah.

2027
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:22,240
» You have this, right?
>> I don't know.

2028
02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:23,880
Did I send that to you?
>> I thought so.

2029
02:04:22,920 --> 02:04:26,400
» I might have.
I'm sorry, it's a lot.

2030
02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:28,800
» Okay.
>> If you don't have the large sheet, well,

2031
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:30,680
you're not going
>> Yeah, we're not here. We're We're trying

2032
02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:32,880
to find
>> Good for you.

2033
02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:34,320
Uh
next next

2034
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:38,800
» I will.
>> I have it. I can scan it to you.

2035
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:42,600
All right.
How you guys get So, we can hang out

2036
02:04:40,120 --> 02:04:45,560
here all night if you guys want.
All right. So,

2037
02:04:45,640 --> 02:04:52,240
we'll move on to the road master's
report, which is

2038
02:04:50,520 --> 02:04:56,240
we just finished cutting gutters two
long weeks up long weeks of it. The

2039
02:04:54,720 --> 02:05:00,000
heat's still.
Um

2040
02:04:57,320 --> 02:05:03,600
I want to say to
the three road guys that are at home

2041
02:05:01,800 --> 02:05:06,720
watching, they
really stepped up to the plate longer

2042
02:05:05,560 --> 02:05:10,680
hours.
And if you guys see them out there,

2043
02:05:09,080 --> 02:05:13,720
thank them. And I know there's been a
lot of,

2044
02:05:12,360 --> 02:05:17,240
you know, why are you guys doing this to
my yard? And

2045
02:05:15,560 --> 02:05:21,480
trust me, it is for the health
maintenance of the road. Uh we wouldn't

2046
02:05:19,160 --> 02:05:25,520
just be doing it to do it and aggravate
people. So, if you see them, thank them.

2047
02:05:24,280 --> 02:05:28,600
Um
other than that,

2048
02:05:27,040 --> 02:05:32,160
that's pretty much all I got. Cuz that's
it's just been steady work.

2049
02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:35,560
We're still waiting to hear on the
bridge grant. Um

2050
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:39,720
So, I was hoping the engineers would be
here tonight, but that didn't work out.

2051
02:05:37,480 --> 02:05:42,880
» But that's through that. C.S. Davidson
is

2052
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:44,680
» Well, the I I discovered a grant through
PennDOT through the state.

2053
02:05:44,120 --> 02:05:48,520
» Okay.
>> And it's a lot of

2054
02:05:47,200 --> 02:05:52,480
it's a lot of paperwork. And it's
something that the engine That's part of

2055
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:56,640
it. So, and they are working on that.
And that would pay for if that grant was

2056
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:59,400
approved, pays for everything. It pays
for the study, it pays for the building.

2057
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:03,800
» The whole bit.
>> The whole deal.

2058
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:08,240
Which would be
>> for them to do that, is that

2059
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:12,960
» No, it's just something that they're
going to, you know,

2060
02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:15,000
No, it's not a part of that.
But it is

2061
02:06:13,600 --> 02:06:19,920
» engineer will have a
How much will the engineer bill have

2062
02:06:18,240 --> 02:06:25,560
» He's going to bill his hourly rate, I'm
sure. But it's uh worth it if it saves

2063
02:06:23,040 --> 02:06:29,280
us three quarters of a million dollars.
Cuz that's what a new bridge fully

2064
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:33,960
replaced would be if they want to go
that route. And I've said before that

2065
02:06:31,600 --> 02:06:37,600
I'd rather have a box culvert in there,
which I think we all agree is a lot

2066
02:06:35,160 --> 02:06:43,560
cheaper, effective
across the board. But, if it comes down

2067
02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:46,280
to it and they say that that won't work
because of the environmental impacts,

2068
02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:51,440
then it will be a full bridge
replacement. And that will be 750,000

2069
02:06:50,400 --> 02:06:58,360
plus.
Which we don't have. So.

2070
02:06:55,720 --> 02:07:00,200
The other option is PennDOT closes the
bridge for us.

2071
02:06:59,160 --> 02:07:04,200
» Which bridge is it?
>> Buffalo Valley bridge um between

2072
02:07:02,160 --> 02:07:06,920
Highland and Greenville.
So, anyway, that was just the gist of

2073
02:07:05,600 --> 02:07:10,520
that. I'm just waiting to hear from the
engineers.

2074
02:07:08,120 --> 02:07:13,320
Um
Yeah, that's all I got.

2075
02:07:12,440 --> 02:07:16,040
So, Andy?
>> Nothing additional.

2076
02:07:14,240 --> 02:07:17,800
» All right. Can I hear a motion to pay
the bills?

2077
02:07:16,640 --> 02:07:20,320
» I'll make Andy.
>> Yeah.

2078
02:07:18,280 --> 02:07:22,560
» The uh
um

2079
02:07:21,480 --> 02:07:28,000
solar
solar ordinance.

2080
02:07:24,280 --> 02:07:28,000
Is that going to planning commission?

2081
02:07:30,720 --> 02:07:34,440
» Is that Did you guys
>> It wasn't a minute. You said you were

2082
02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:35,880
going to send it to planning commission.
I didn't know.

2083
02:07:35,400 --> 02:07:37,840
» To
>> That's Lily.

2084
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:40,240
You sent it to all of us.
>> Yes, I did.

2085
02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:42,360
» Okay.
>> I just think it's

2086
02:07:41,400 --> 02:07:43,920
» I thought it was
>> Okay.

2087
02:07:43,080 --> 02:07:44,640
» So, you got it.
>> Yes.

2088
02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:49,480
» Okay.
>> Yes. Yes, they do have it.

2089
02:07:48,160 --> 02:07:53,280
» Okay.
Motion to pay the bills?

2090
02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:56,320
» I'll make that motion.
>> Okay.

2091
02:07:54,320 --> 02:07:59,680
All those in favor of the motion
say "Aye".

2092
02:07:57,120 --> 02:07:59,680
» Aye.

2093
02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:06,760
» That will be a meeting adjourned.
>> Happy 4th, everybody.

2094
02:08:03,560 --> 02:08:06,760
» Happy 4th, Andy. Thank you.