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Mchuan complex. So, including all the stuff, um it would be around

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$21,000 to do bark blowing just in

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Mchuan. So, we're trying to find ways to

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beautify it a little bit, cover up some

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of that stuff. So, um that was just a

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new bid that came in. So, it's just an

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information thing that, you know, we're

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seeking some of that stuff. So, um,

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another issue since Commissioner McDow

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had asked about vandalism in June, I

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think it was, or maybe the meeting

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before, but, uh, Barry and I were just

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talking just 10 minutes before we came

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over here, that, uh, we had had some

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more vandalism again today, uh, one of

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the restroom facilities where people

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chose to do some things that are not so

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fun to clean up. Um and and the cost

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estimate for that just for just for

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today alone was $1,750

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is what it cost for materials and man

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time and all of that to take care of it.

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going to get with Chief Jerger and maybe

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some of the captains code enforcement

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people and see if they've got some

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suggestions on how they can help us

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police that or monitor. I don't know

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because it it's it's costing us a ton a

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ton of money every season for for

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vandalism stuff. So, um,

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>> Adam, which facility was it that got hit

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today?

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>> What was that?

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>> It was We had Memorial Baseball Park, we

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had City Park, the band shell, and we

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also had the Mchuan family restrooms.

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>> Do any of them have cameras at all? Game

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cameras, even anything?

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>> The Mchuan has cameras in it. Most of

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them located within the parking lot.

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>> Um, and most of them don't normally give

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us adequate

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>> footage to make it so we could actually

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make someone out. We've tried to use

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them that before. Mchuan's been hit

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quite a few different times, but we

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rarely get some kind of photo that would

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give us definitive proof that it was

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somebody.

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>> Um, are the restrooms still being closed

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at 10 or did we move that up?

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>> The restrooms are currently there. So,

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they get locked up by our security

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service. So it's kind of they start

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locking them about 9:30 and then

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normally they finish up hopefully by

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process. They start downtown and then

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landings up or the further north they

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get the the later it actually goes. So

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but we do have a process that if we

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continue to get the vandalism we would

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like to shut the bathrooms ourselves at

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4:00 cuz then we see the vandalism

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completely stop. We've been doing that

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this year uh up in area 4, so it' be

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Bluegrass Park as well as Landing Parks,

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and we haven't had any vandalism. They

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used to be our two most vandalized

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parks. So, us closing them when we leave

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for the day has eliminated that problem.

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» Yeah. Mason,

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turf in the sand bark area. Is that

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right below the um rock wall out there

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at Mchuan?

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a problem area. Like if you ask Barry,

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it was, you know, was kind of a litter

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box, unfortunately for feral cats and

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whatnot. And and wood chips just don't

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they don't stay. They don't hold up. So

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it would make it all uniform through

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there if we were able to do that. So

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>> Um, as a grandparent taking grandkids

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down there, I highly encourage you to

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put the turf in. Get rid of that stuff.

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that idea.

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let's see, the turf, the vandalism, uh,

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trees. So, we're, believe it or not,

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still have some work to do with some of

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the tree damage from the windstorms that

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happened long ago. Uh, so all that's

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going to we're going to get reimbursed

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through FEMA. Um, but Barry had worked

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with uh, Notthead Tree Service, so

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they're going to go in and take care of

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the last few problem trees in the

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cemetery. uh which were some that lost

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their tops and some other compromised

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ones. Uh so hopefully fingers crossed

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we'll have that whole thing finally

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behind us after here about what nine

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So um and then an update on the Trails

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Archeterra neighborhood. They're off of

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Hanley. Um we we did finally get a bid

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back from the contractor who is also

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doing the Corte project. Uh the bid came

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in a lot higher than what we maybe

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thought. Um so uh or estimate I should

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say, not bid, but um so we're going to

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get back with them and maybe re redo the

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redraw the concept. So there wasn't

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anything really concrete to bring to the

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commission to show you any concepts

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because it's going to have to we don't

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have a choice. It's going to have to

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change if we're going to be able to

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afford to do something out there. So

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we'll do that once we work through that

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with them. Um on the rec side, um got

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some some uh movement with the special

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with Cherry Hill. Uh so they're doing

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some uh trying to do some site work

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stuff or site evaluation stuff out there

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uh so that they they can get with

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whoever they're going to hire uh to do

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all of that, you know, to to know what

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they're dealing with with uh if they

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move forward with construction. So we're

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excited about that. We'll see what

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comes, you know, comes down the road as

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they as they raise money. I'm not sure

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where they're at right now, but um

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they've been doing some periodic

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building meetings, so we'll start

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checking in and and attending those. Um

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soccer and basketball season. So,

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soccer, we've already done registration

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again, another 600 plus kids. Um

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super super big program. Uh we're

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excited for that one. And then of course

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going into basketball in the winter

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time. So, it's kind of an interesting

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thing. You know, you think that, oh,

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we're that that Wreck's probably the

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most busy in the summertime, which is

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opposite, right? Parks is very very busy

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in the summertime. Wreck is busier fall

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and winter and spring. So, um when you get indoors and and basketball

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is kind of cumbersome and one of the

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most troublesome ones to deal with,

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right? So, uh so those guys are going to

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be pretty busy. Uh and then in keeping

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with the rec stuff, uh some position

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changes. So, um, we haven't had a

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meeting. So, Jordan Anderson, who was

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our rec coordinator, got promoted to the

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superintendent role, and like I said, he

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was going to be here tonight, but he's

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on hiring. Um, so that left his

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coordinator role vacant. Um, and so we

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posted that position. We did some

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interviews today. So, uh, you know, once

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we get to a final decision, we'll we'll

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be probably bringing that person maybe

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to the next meeting, uh, to introduce

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them. And then Connor Pedicololis, who

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was one of our wreck monitors, uh took a

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job in municipal services. So, uh so

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that position just got posted last

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there. Uh but you know, as you guys

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four, so we're down 50% of our workforce

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going into our busiest season. So, uh

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super fun. Um, and then one other thing

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as far as positions within within the greater department. So, Adam Carico,

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our building maintenance superintendent.

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guy, just a incredibly valuable asset to

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our department and the city, but um it's

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coming to council tomorrow uh that we're

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hoping to get him um bumped to a full

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superintendent and be on the same as our

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rec superintendent, park superintendent

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um because right now he's a pay grade

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below that. Uh, but if you ever have a

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chance to talk to him and and kind of

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get to know all the things that they do,

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um, I think you guys would would see

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that that's going to be a very

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beneficial thing. So, uh, we're hoping

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that passes uh passes through council

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tomorrow. And then a Jew house update.

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events left uh for the season. Uh it's

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been there's been some bumps and bruises

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with our new uh caretakers as far as

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just you know getting them acclimated um

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getting them you know understanding

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expectations and some of that which we

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knew right we went from somebody that

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had been there for 40 years to to a new

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caretaker. So uh working through through

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that and then lastly um just touch on

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given back to the parks and recreation

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world. Um, and it's it's been a

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challenge. It's taken a lot of Melissa's

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time uh to to work through all the admin

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work that goes into that. So, we're just

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really trying to find some efficiencies

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and and maybe cutting back some of the

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expectations that that the commission

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has as far as needs of staff time

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because obviously you guys know she's

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very very busy and and if we're given 15

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working through some of those those

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efficiencies and and

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[clears throat] NIC meeting that council

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discussion from both council and the NIC

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>> and I assume that's now going to be in

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your hands on how to move him, where to

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put him, what's the discussion, what's

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happening with that,

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>> that's going on that's going to be on

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the next agenda for the next meeting.

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without evaluating it, I mean, I don't

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it's going to take to move it. Um, but

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>> Chairman has a strong back.

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>> From what I understand, it's quite uh

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quite heavy and difficult to move. So,

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um, but yeah, once we get the okay,

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we'll get back with with Nick Swain or

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whoever he, you know, assigned to that

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and figure out how we can how we can

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help. And if we can use arts commission

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maintenance dollars to help pay for

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>> be great if we could do it before

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spring.

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>> That would be the goal. Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Great. Thanks.

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>> Just a clarification, Adam, back to the

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[clears throat] arts commission. And

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it's still kind of an independent

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commission, city commission, but if I'm

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hearing it correctly, the city staff

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support for that commission has been

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handed to parks and recreation.

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>> That's correct. Yep.

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>> Who was supporting that

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administrative

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uh task before? Well, historically, so

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when I started 20 years ago, um, it was

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with Steve Anthony and it was in in the

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wreck world and parks and recreation.

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and I used to have to maintain the

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fountain that was out there and go take

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care of the bronze sculptures and some

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of that kind of stuff. So, um, it got

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passed around after that. It went to

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planning and then ended up in

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administration. Uh, so we had a former

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finance employee and then our our former

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city administrator that that was part of

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that. Um, and then as it was getting

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closer to his exit, it was it was given

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back to to parks and recreation, which

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is fine. I mean, it it really fits for

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what we do, right? Most of the art is

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for the most part located in park

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property or along the trail, so it makes

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sense. But um it I think has just kind

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of taken on a mind of its own with with

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not a lot of checks and balances for for

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a number of years. So we're just trying

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to we're trying to rein it back in a

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little bit. Um you know it's a pretty

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big committee with seven oh gosh no 14

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people maybe or something on it. So it's pretty large. Um and they've got

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had 17 subcommittees. And so we're just

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trying to just trying to tweak things to

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make it more efficient so it's not as burdensome on staff time.

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>> And Amy's your council liaison. Maybe

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she could help with that.

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>> What's that?

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>> Maybe she could help with some of that.

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>> Yeah. And she she has been helpful with uh they did finally cut the

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subcommittee list down to five, which is

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fine. Um and yeah, Amy's been been great

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supporting all of that. So,

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>> and I think that's all I've got so far.

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>> Just a question like pondering question

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going back to the turf or Mchuan Park in

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general. Is there any plans or ideas

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floating around about the bark under the

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swings?

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>> The bark under the swings as far as like

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replacing it or

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>> just what Yeah. What's going to happen

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with it or

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>> I'll let Barry answer that one for you.

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[clears throat] We typically keep the

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bark underneath the swings because it's

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such a heavy use item that if we were to

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do it in turf, it would actually cost us

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more uh to replace the turf as often as

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we would. So, it's actually more

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fiscally responsible for us if we stick

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with bark. Okay.

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>> Anything else for Adam or Barry?

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Thank you. Appreciate it. Do the

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commissioners have any comments or

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announcements this evening?

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Okay.

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Uh, I don't think we'll have public

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comments, but I'll ask is there anybody

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here that wants to address the

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commission? Uh, it's not already part of

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a agenda item. You have three minutes.

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Doug, do you want to

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if you

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uh Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and members

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of the parks and recck commission. I

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just wanted to make a comment that on

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occurrence there's something that can

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happen that goes a little bit beyond

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what your expectations are and that

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needs uh public recognition or public

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praise if you will. And not too long

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ago, your new parks director and and

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Barry and the parks department uh

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completed something that's really worthy

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of that recognition. And it's indirectly

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tied to to another item that we're here

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for tonight. But the band shell flooring

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uh was in need of desperate repair. It

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was a uh a a flooring that was made out

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of roof sheathing. It had an epoxy

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coating and and [music] a another layer

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under that. It held up pretty good. It's

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been replaced several times, but it's

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outdoors and in the weather. Uh these

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gentlemen had uh contracted with

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somebody and it now has a composite

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style wood flooring like TX flooring. It

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is absolutely beautiful. Very, very

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nice. right down to the color and the

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craftsmanship of all the work. And so I

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thought they needed to get some credit

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for that because they're probably not

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going to stand up and brag about it on

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their own. So I'll do it for them

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tonight. And and then one other thing

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that [clears throat] I I thought about

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on my way up here at one time the city

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had a thank you card that was done with

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the city logo. And since the beans have

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already been spilled on this one, uh it

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wouldn't do a whole lot of good to give

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one to Adam and Barry because they know

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what it's about, but it still wouldn't

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hurt. But your contractor, it's really

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good public relations to uh send

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something like that out with maybe a

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picture of it. And uh thanks cuz that

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was extraordinary work. I've worked with

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some of you on past projects. You know,

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my standards are pretty high. This one

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exceeded my expectations. So, I just

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wanted to say thanks.

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>> Awesome.

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>> So,

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>> thank you, Doug. Just for the record,

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that was Doug Eastwood, uh, [laughter]

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uh, parks and rec director ammeritus.

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So, anyway,

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okay. Um

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our next item is an information item

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discussion

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uh regarding the reestablishment of the

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park and recreation commission workshops

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and also the city park seaw wall and

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trail. So you want to introduce us to

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that one Adam?

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>> Yes. So not a big presentation that

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comes along with this. Um, and initially

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we were talking about maybe this being

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an action item potentially to form a a

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committee uh steering committee or ad

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hoc committee like we talked about for

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um for the the basically the the

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esplenon I think is what you would call

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it there along the seaw wall. Uh so it's

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been in need of repair for quite some

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time. I think that's probably pretty

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obvious to most of us. Um and we've had

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a couple of meetings with uh Mr.

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Eastwood and Tom Toruson who's who's

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here as well. Um who had come forward

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with some good ideas. Um and I think

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it's it's a it's time to to bring the

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workshops back uh as we've kind of been

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talking about once we got I got settled

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um to to bring those back because I

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think that they're beneficial in

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discussing things specifically like this

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um in a little maybe a little less

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formal setting where people can come

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with ideas still open to the public. Um

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but we thought this would be a perfect

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thing to kick that off uh bringing those

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workshops shops back and and

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specifically talk about uh that seaw

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wall project um what we want a committee

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to look like who we think should serve

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on it um and and then of course you know

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the big question is how we fund it. So

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um we just thought that that would be a

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perfect thing to to start those

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workshops back with. So,

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>> um maybe Christie can weigh in on this,

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but um you know, we're discussing an ad

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hoc committee to study and give us

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recommendations on, you know, what

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repairs and renovations can be done

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along the prominade there. Um I guess

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how do you see that process going? form

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in the committee. Is it something that

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this commission would would um select

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the membership of the committee or

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provide recommendations to council for

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them to approve it or how do you

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envision that coming together?

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>> Yeah, I think that that for me first I

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think it would be important if if

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[snorts] our entire commission wanted to

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serve on that because that's what you

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guys are you know obviously passionate

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about all things park and wreck and

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that's why you're serving on this

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commission. So, if if everybody on our park and rec commission wanted to

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serve on that, that would be great.

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Certainly not expected. Um, but I think

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that there's there's also some good

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value in community input, past uh parks

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directors perhaps. Um, but uh that that

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are really invested in that space that

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have some good ideas and some good

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input. So um but I think the first part

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is talking you know really talking

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through that get a group feel of of uh

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what that expectation is how big we want

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the community to be or committee not

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community uh how big we want that

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committee to be uh and then everybody

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you know coming kind of coming to the

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table saying hey I think this person

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would be great because x y and z or you

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know they've been involved in that in

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that space before so um and then from

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there you know kind of see see where

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that leads needs.

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>> Great question.

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>> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Adam, if

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it's a um if it's a special committee

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form just for this particular project,

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it's highly appropriate for you and our

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chairman to probably determine who's

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going to serve on the committee and

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hopefully all of us would be available

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to do some of that plus the many people

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from the public. If it's an ad hoc

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committee that's going to go on and on forever, then the mayor is the

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only one that can really appoint the

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committee members. But if there's a time

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frame and I think the time frame is just

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getting getting the prominade repaired

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um with the help of a public private

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partnership and Douggee and Tom Toruson

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have been very passionate about this

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project. They brought it to my

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attention. They've brought it to public

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attention and they're getting a

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tremendous amount of support of people

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that say, "Yeah, I want to help." And

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they have some great concepts and ideas.

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And so it really would be great to have

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a workshop where we just focused on

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that, put together that special

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committee and then gave ourselves a time

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frame at the [snorts] at the same time

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we do that of how long we think this

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will take and how long that special

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committee would meet.

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>> I think you know you're forming the

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committee. I think defining very clear

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goals and objectives of what you want

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that committee to accomplish would be

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important too. So

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>> yeah,

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>> you know, those need to be determined

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and well stated.

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>> Agreed,

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>> Bridget.

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>> Well, I also think uh making it clear um

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uh the decision-m um

536
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,760
protocol and how that would all work and

537
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,840
knowing the so that the committee

538
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:51,120
understands their um part in in the

539
00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:53,039
project. Yeah. and then how it comes

540
00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:56,240
back to the uh commission.

541
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,000
>> Yeah, I think that's important. I think

542
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,240
Doug and uh Tom understand that that

543
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,000
this is an advisory committee.

544
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,799
Ultimately, um the parks the parks

545
00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:06,880
department director and the commission

546
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,799
make the final determination on city

547
00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:10,640
property. But we have a heck of an

548
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,120
opportunity with a private public

549
00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:15,840
partnership and the expertise of these

550
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,679
two gentlemen that will will really

551
00:21:17,679 --> 00:21:20,400
assist us. Mhm.

552
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:21,600
>> Mason,

553
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,240
>> do you think the uh time frame and like

554
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,480
all the um the details about how this

555
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,559
committee would be formed and stuff

556
00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:31,120
would be at the workshop or chosen by

557
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:32,720
this committee?

558
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,480
>> Well, it'd be at the workshop, correct,

559
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:35,440
Mr. Chairman?

560
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,200
>> Yeah. At least if there was had to be

561
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,600
any action item that would be associated

562
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,280
with adopting anything, we'd have to

563
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,520
bring it from the workshop to this

564
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,000
formal monthly meeting format. But,

565
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,760
you know, I we're not there. We don't

566
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,200
know exactly what it's going to look

567
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,520
like yet. So, I think that's a perfect

568
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,919
opportunity in a workshop to begin the

569
00:21:55,919 --> 00:21:57,919
process of

570
00:21:57,919 --> 00:22:00,640
>> One followup on that. Um, Adam, can we

571
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,320
get a workshop together before the end

572
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,559
of the month?

573
00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:06,960
>> Potentially. Uh, I'm going to be gone

574
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,200
for two weeks

575
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,919
>> chasing things in the woods. So, um,

576
00:22:11,919 --> 00:22:13,760
I'll be back the week of the 28th, so we

577
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,679
could try and and shoot for like that

578
00:22:15,679 --> 00:22:17,280
last week of September if everybody's

579
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,080
available.

580
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:18,400
>> Okay.

581
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,159
>> If that if that works.

582
00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:22,080
>> Sooner the better. But you deserve a

583
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,280
vacation.

584
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:23,679
>> Thank you.

585
00:22:23,679 --> 00:22:26,720
>> Those poor animals.

586
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,120
>> Um,

587
00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:31,200
both Doug and Tom are here. I guess I'd

588
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,720
invite them. Do you have any other

589
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,400
comments or anything you'd like to add

590
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,679
regarding this topic?

591
00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:38,000
>> I didn't, but I do now. [laughter]

592
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,919
If you just state uh your name for the

593
00:22:39,919 --> 00:22:40,720
record, Tom.

594
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,640
>> Tom Torerson.

595
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,840
Um born three blocks from here. In fact,

596
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,720
um thanks for letting me address this.

597
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,600
is exact when when what happened

598
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,799
was Dave Olivera wrote a little article

599
00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:56,960
and did some stuff on social. I saw it

600
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,760
and I called him and then Doug and I got

601
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,159
together and met down there and met with

602
00:23:02,159 --> 00:23:06,000
Christie and much like it happens

603
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,360
frequently as things degrade slowly. You

604
00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:12,080
don't really notice it and there's a

605
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,240
distraction down there is the lake and

606
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:15,840
the beach and all this other stuff, but

607
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,919
it looks terrible that I've been a real

608
00:23:17,919 --> 00:23:19,840
estate broker and developer here for 33

609
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,159
years. Like I said, I was born here.

610
00:23:22,159 --> 00:23:23,679
I've built speck homes and I've done all

611
00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:25,760
sorts of design work and and and things

612
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,840
like that. And I thought h and I've done

613
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,600
a lot of political work for the last 25

614
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,360
years for the association of realtorism

615
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:33,760
personally. I

616
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,799
specifically told Gan that I am not

617
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:38,400
interested in doing this if this is

618
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,000
going to be a city committee because

619
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,679
nothing will get done in a timely

620
00:23:41,679 --> 00:23:45,039
manner. I want to I want to work on this

621
00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:47,200
actively.

622
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,280
between Doug and I, we've got already

623
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,760
we've got nonprofits

624
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,840
invested, you know, literally wanting to

625
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,840
invest in this project. I've got quasi

626
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,679
governmental and governmental stuff.

627
00:23:57,679 --> 00:24:00,559
I've got a private corporation. I've got

628
00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:04,080
another uh group that's reasonably large

629
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,760
in town that would like to financially

630
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,880
contribute to it. I want to my goal

631
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,480
would be to break ground in the spring.

632
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,760
And I know you guys are in a budget

633
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,080
crunch. I I've got some plans and ideas

634
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,760
on this and so does Doug that are really

635
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,799
great. Plus, as a as a historian with

636
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:20,400
his with his work at the parks

637
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,679
department for so long and being

638
00:24:21,679 --> 00:24:23,919
responsible for so much of the of the

639
00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:25,440
beautiful parks and things that we have,

640
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,440
it's an incredibly uh valuable with any

641
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,919
type of organization group committee to

642
00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:33,279
have somebody that's a historian that

643
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:35,440
can say we tried that or we did this or

644
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,279
this is how these agreements went or

645
00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:39,520
this is where that went wrong. and and

646
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,919
then you get to couple that with with

647
00:24:41,919 --> 00:24:43,919
the great, you know, input that we've

648
00:24:43,919 --> 00:24:45,440
had from Adam and the willing

649
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,080
willingness to do this. But having a

650
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,000
committee to form a committee so that

651
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,760
the committee can report to a commission

652
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,840
so the commission can report to the

653
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:59,200
council, that doesn't work for me. It's a waste of my time. And um and I

654
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,039
feel badly to say it like that, but it's

655
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:04,159
the truth. Um, this needs to be run like

656
00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:06,559
a private project and then the city and

657
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:09,520
you guys need to decide can a

658
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,080
conglomeration of people raise the money

659
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,480
and then support the maintenance of it

660
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:21,120
and then get it done and and if we can't but just doing the committee to

661
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:22,799
have a meeting to have a meeting about a

662
00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:25,440
meeting I I just I don't have that much

663
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,159
time or or love for anything to do that

664
00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:30,400
at my age anymore. So,

665
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,720
>> I'd like to respond to Mr. Torus and my

666
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,440
good friend Tom. So, Tom, we're talking

667
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,279
about city-owned property.

668
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:37,760
>> Correct.

669
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,720
>> And your dear friend and former uh parks

670
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,679
director Doug Eastwood would never hand

671
00:25:43,679 --> 00:25:46,720
over a park to a private totally private

672
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,760
committee. These the commission are

673
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,480
private citizens that come and serve the

674
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,679
parks on behalf of the city. And so, I

675
00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:57,120
think we can get there. I don't think

676
00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,120
we're going to have committees that talk

677
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:00,559
about another committee and another

678
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,960
committee. We can streamline this thing,

679
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,960
but it is a public park owned by the

680
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,200
city and so we absolutely have to do it

681
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,480
correctly.

682
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,400
>> May I misspoke or was misunderstood. I never

683
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,400
intended it to have any type of private

684
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,760
ownership or anything. I was just

685
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,240
talking about just being driven to take

686
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,400
the weight off of because there's a lot

687
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,320
of stuff that's going on. Budgetary

688
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,880
items being in the red and so on and so

689
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,640
forth. That's all I was talking about is

690
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,400
just the driving force behind the group.

691
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:29,600
You guys, of course, would have to be

692
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,039
the the commission would have to be the

693
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:32,799
ones that brings it to the council. We

694
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:34,320
don't have that authority. I I didn't

695
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,320
want to make it sound like that. So, I

696
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,760
apologize. I just would like to be

697
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,080
really involved and to try to get it

698
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,279
rolling quicker.

699
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:42,799
>> We want you involved, too. And I promise

700
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:44,559
you won't want to put a fork in your eye

701
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,320
sitting [laughter] committee meetings.

702
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,043
>> Thanks. And I apologize for

703
00:26:48,043 --> 00:26:49,919
[clears throat] for sounding like I

704
00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:51,600
thought it was, you know, to make it

705
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,360
sound like it was going to be a private

706
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,760
thing or privatized. Not whatsoever. No,

707
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,039
>> we're good. We're gonna work on this

708
00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:57,840
together.

709
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,200
>> Yeah. So, I would love it if we could

710
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,440
form a committee and that's about all.

711
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,400
Thank you very much.

712
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,880
>> Anything else for Tom? Okay.

713
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,559
>> Thank you, Tom. Appreciate it.

714
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,679
>> I I guess I'm just as long as we have a

715
00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:13,360
clear target and a very clear picture of

716
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:16,320
what we're after here, we should be able

717
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,039
to meet that goal.

718
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:22,400
And I I don't know, you know, if we have

719
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,679
that figured out yet or uh what this uh

720
00:27:27,679 --> 00:27:30,640
park, seaw wall, and trail

721
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,240
um

722
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,000
project is or um it sounds like lots of

723
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,480
folks have been talking about it and so

724
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,799
somebody has a vision.

725
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:42,720
I don't know if you know maybe we need

726
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,840
to um maybe it's going to come out at

727
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,840
this particular committee. Um

728
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,640
but it needs to be very clear where

729
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,080
we're headed on this.

730
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,200
>> Yeah. Um there I there are some concepts

731
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,440
out there that people have come up with

732
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,080
that are very nice. Um and so that's

733
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,440
where all that would come out in the

734
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,880
workshop or we could see what some of

735
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,200
their visioning is and then you know see

736
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,120
if it if that actually works for the

737
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,440
city. Um, I'm sure we're all going to

738
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,600
come to a happy medium, but the the end

739
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,039
result is hopefully a really nice

740
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,440
prominade. Tom's right. It it is it

741
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,360
needs to be addressed. It's just kind of

742
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,720
fallen on the wayside and um because we

743
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,480
have so many fabulous, beautiful parks

744
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,399
that we're keeping up and it's just but

745
00:28:28,399 --> 00:28:33,919
it's just time to to give it a dress up.

746
00:28:33,919 --> 00:28:36,389
>> Okay. [clears throat]

747
00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:38,320
Okay.

748
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,480
Let's move on to the next item. HREI

749
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,720
building grant.

750
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,600
>> Yes, me again. Um, yeah. So, we um or

751
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,880
actually the historical preservation uh

752
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,320
committee commission. I don't know if

753
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,159
they're a committee or a commission, but

754
00:28:56,159 --> 00:28:58,640
uh they they actually secured a grant

755
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,600
for $65,000 to do some uh maintenance

756
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,240
slash uh improvements to some of the

757
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,120
brick stuff at the HRI building. So, uh

758
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,880
some not enough to pay for anything

759
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,120
structural. Uh but Adam Currico, our

760
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,080
building building maintenance

761
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,240
superintendent, he's been working uh

762
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,480
with uh Shannon from that commission,

763
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,360
who's the one that that uh secured the

764
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,080
grant, uh to come up with all the things

765
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,840
that they can fit into that $65,000.

766
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,240
Um and I think they we're getting really

767
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,080
close to to them having a pretty good

768
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,960
plan of of the best use of that money to

769
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,320
uh most of it's going to be on the front

770
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,360
side to but but to do tuck pointing as Adam calls it, right? So, fixing some

771
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,840
brick and mortar stuff. Um, one of the

772
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,600
companies he's been talking with does a

773
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,679
lot of work with matching uh historical

774
00:29:49,679 --> 00:29:52,720
brick with new stuff. Um, color matching

775
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,720
grout, those kinds of things. So, it'll

776
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,159
be really interesting once we get to

777
00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:57,520
that point where we can select a

778
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,679
contractor and and get going with that.

779
00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:00,880
But, just thought it was something

780
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,399
beneficial for the commission to know

781
00:30:02,399 --> 00:30:04,159
since it it does fall under our purview

782
00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:06,080
and it's an old historical building

783
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,399
that's again been been in need of some

784
00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:10,799
love for quite some time. So, um, and

785
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:12,240
then of course that'll make it that'll

786
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,000
make Janette happy, I think, if we do

787
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,039
some of that stuff. So,

788
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:19,600
>> okay.

789
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,399
Anything else on that one?

790
00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:25,520
Okay, moving along then, uh, land and

791
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,559
water conservation fund conversion

792
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,440
proposal update.

793
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:38,080
>> Yes. So, and and this is one um that is going to be kind of an ongoing thing.

794
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,080
has been probably one of the biggest uh

795
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,640
learning curves for me. But no, Doug

796
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,880
left. So he had he had helped me kind of

797
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,399
understand some of that stuff with the

798
00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:49,840
conversion. But uh right now technically

799
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,720
we are uh out of compliance with land

800
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,559
and water and it and it really dates

801
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:56,799
back to uh a lot to do with the old

802
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,919
tennis courts at NIC when I think there

803
00:30:59,919 --> 00:31:02,480
were six of them. three of them went out

804
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,440
and then another three went out. Uh and we never really got back into

805
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,640
compliance with replacing like same for

806
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,320
same or recreational facilities for

807
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,840
that. And then some of it also had to do

808
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,960
with some other land swap stuff with uh

809
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,120
city swapping lots uh that that fell in

810
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,919
that boundary. So, uh, the upside is

811
00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:26,000
Kathy Mureer, who is with Land and

812
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,360
Water, um, she's very busy, but, uh,

813
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,960
we've we've set a meeting for mid

814
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,399
October, um, to to get with her. She's

815
00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:37,360
going to really break it down for us of

816
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,000
how like how we got here and what all

817
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,640
needs to be done uh to get back into

818
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,399
compliance so that we are in good

819
00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:46,000
standing with them so that then we can

820
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000
actually submit for grant funding

821
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,656
through them again because that's a good

822
00:31:50,656 --> 00:31:51,440
[snorts] a really good [clears throat]

823
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,519
funding source that that can help parks

824
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,279
but right now we're not eligible for it.

825
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:59,200
So, um, if if any of you would like and

826
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,679
I can I can certainly just send a an

827
00:32:01,679 --> 00:32:03,279
email out to the group, but if anybody

828
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:04,960
would like to attend that meeting just

829
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,960
for some context, um, if it's

830
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,320
interesting to you, it's going to it's

831
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,960
going to be mid-occtober. Um, but I'll I

832
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,559
can send an an invite out. So, if

833
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,159
anybody is interested Yeah.

834
00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:15,919
>> Uh, and sitting in on that, that would

835
00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:17,919
be that would be great. Yeah, I think

836
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:19,519
that's going to be crit critical to get

837
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:20,880
back in compliance because there's a lot

838
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,880
of grant funding that we're we're

839
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,360
missing because there wasn't some

840
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,519
previous follow-through on that that

841
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:29,519
conversion. So,

842
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:32,640
>> um it it not has to do with the transfer

843
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,120
of money or providing recreational

844
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,760
facilities of like value. It just does

845
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,080
it have to do with reestablishing

846
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,519
boundaries that account for conversion

847
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:45,600
or you know what what's the detail of

848
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,159
that or do we know? So far, what I've

849
00:32:48,159 --> 00:32:50,880
discussed with Kathy is more valuebased

850
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,039
than the actual boundary. So, I couldn't

851
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:54,640
speak to the boundary part in

852
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,159
particular. Um, but just for some

853
00:32:58,159 --> 00:33:00,240
context, since we brought up the trails

854
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,960
park, the value of even that park if we

855
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,640
did it would still not be enough to

856
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:10,080
cover what we're behind. Um,

857
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,919
she may have undervalued that park a

858
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:13,842
little bit. So, um, yeah.

859
00:33:13,842 --> 00:33:14,720
[clears throat] So, we'll talk through

860
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,640
all of that stuff to get some clear-cut

861
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,320
direction so at least we know what we

862
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,240
need to do to get back into compliance

863
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,120
and then hopefully we'll be able to to

864
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:23,600
get

865
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,120
>> after that meeting with her. Is that

866
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,799
something you can bring back to us in

867
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:28,240
workshop

868
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,840
>> agenda item and kind of bring us up to

869
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:30,240
speed?

870
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:30,960
>> Absolutely.

871
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,269
>> Yeah.

872
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:38,310
» Okay.

873
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,640
Last but not least, Ignite funding for

874
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,000
Johnson Mill River. Um, why don't you

875
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,799
introduce us to the

876
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:50,880
uh discussion, Adam, and and uh perhaps

877
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,320
introduce our guests that are here with

878
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,120
us on this.

879
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,120
>> I think this one's on. Um, so we um had

880
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,960
a meeting

881
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,880
three weeks ago. I don't know. My time

882
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,200
table's probably off. Uh, but Phil Boyd

883
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,279
and Will Osborne, who's with Ignite,

884
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:09,280
Phil with Welsh Comr. Um so um it had

885
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,359
been brought to

886
00:34:11,359 --> 00:34:14,159
uh to executive team um and and some

887
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,879
other meetings asking for some projects

888
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:19,520
that would fall within the uh river

889
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,800
district of Ignite uh for for possible

890
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,919
funding um you know before that district

891
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:29,520
closed. Uh and and fortunately for us,

892
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,919
um there there weren't a lot of

893
00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:34,399
additional projects outside what what

894
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:37,280
we've asked for for uh Johnson Mill

895
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,960
River Park. And then there's a couple of

896
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,119
street projects and these two can speak

897
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:42,720
to it better. So I'll just go through

898
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:44,639
the little bit that I peeled out of

899
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,280
Phil's uh much longer presentation that

900
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,119
involved all the street work and some of

901
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:50,560
that kind of stuff because we're not

902
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,560
here to talk about streets. So um see if

903
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,440
I can remember how to work this. So, um,

904
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,839
just going over, you know, parks master

905
00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:02,960
plan. Um, you know, we all know what

906
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,520
that property had started out as with,

907
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,920
uh, with the railroad. Um, all the, uh,

908
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,079
trail connections that we wanted to have

909
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:13,680
go all the way through there so that the

910
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,440
trail was all connected all the way

911
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,000
through, uh, you know, from from

912
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,680
downtown and and all the way out to

913
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,040
Hutter Road. So, um, and then on top of

914
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,640
that, um, you know, if you look at the

915
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,240
right side there, talking about adding

916
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,880
some other park amenities, uh, some

917
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,119
benches, maybe picnic shelter stuff,

918
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:33,760
playground stuff. Um, you know, some of

919
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,920
those kinds of things that that maybe

920
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,640
could be a good addition there. Um,

921
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,240
let's see.

922
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:46,640
This one is just uh uh just a little

923
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,880
graph slide that we'll kind of skip

924
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,400
through that one because I want to get

925
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,720
through to

926
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,680
um where some of those photos are so we

927
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,079
can really just show you some of what's

928
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:00,079
going on there. So, this is just an

929
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:04,000
overview. Shows uh shows that trail

930
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,280
going down through there, an old

931
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,560
railway. Um

932
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,920
here is a a picture of what it actually

933
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,839
I guess Barry looks like this right now.

934
00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:21,359
Right. So uh shrub shrub beds lining the road there and and uh just

935
00:36:21,359 --> 00:36:23,280
dead space [laughter]

936
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,680
uh in the middle there. So, this overall

937
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,520
idea is going to be to kind of beautify

938
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,599
that, change some of the roadway stuff

939
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,880
and and I'm I'll probably will let Phil

940
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,640
take some of this because he can give

941
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,359
you uh since this was his presentation,

942
00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:40,960
but give you specifics, more specifics

943
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,599
um on on the overall scope, but um

944
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:49,680
going a little bit further here where

945
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,320
Oh my goodness.

946
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,400
To show Yeah, same thing. But if you

947
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,920
look at the bottom there, maybe just a

948
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,040
concept of of a little bit of a

949
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,280
direction of the trail.

950
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,200
So here, okay, this is kind of where I

951
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,160
wanted to get uh existing gazebo on the

952
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,960
left and a potential concept on the

953
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,200
right there of of adding some restroom

954
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,040
stuff, which would be super beneficial.

955
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,880
Obviously, like, you know, doing some

956
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,640
beautifification and upgrading some

957
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,560
pathway, some lighting, maybe some

958
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,160
interpretive signage, which would be

959
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,480
great. Um, and again, this is all

960
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,240
concept stuff just based on he's basing

961
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,640
it all off of, you know, staff input and

962
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,000
maybe some public input of of uh, you

963
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,560
know, what we're looking for. Um, again,

964
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,160
another concept here, but the biggest

965
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:40,800
thing for me when when I saw this is the beach area over there is in need of

966
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,839
some it's in need of some attention. Um,

967
00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:47,920
we lose most of the sand every year with

968
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,079
the river current. So, uh, one of the

969
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:51,680
things that Phil has in here that he

970
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,440
kind of pitched was was possibly doing

971
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,440
instead of doing a having a dock, a free

972
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,079
floating dock, this would be, uh, uh,

973
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:02,240
peer peer supported, right? So, um, no

974
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,599
need to pull it out in the winter time

975
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:05,280
like we do and spend extra dollars

976
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,359
there. So,

977
00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:10,240
um,

978
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:11,760
and then there's just another view of

979
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,440
what it potentially could look like with

980
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,349
some of that done.

981
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:19,680
Maybe doing some benches and again that

982
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,280
redirection of the path a little bit so

983
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,720
you've got some more pathway closer to

984
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,359
the river. Um, you know, some signage

985
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:26,960
just makes it a little bit a little bit

986
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,040
nicer in there. Um,

987
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,040
and then I'm going to skip that one

988
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,560
because I want to go to this part. This

989
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,160
is probably the biggest part. This was

990
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,760
one of the first things that Barry and I

991
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,280
talked about um when when I took over

992
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,680
was this shoreline. And you can see on

993
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,160
the left there, it is severely severely

994
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,560
compromised. Um and maybe we may have

995
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,400
mentioned this as as you know, something

996
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,320
that we were going to kind of go after.

997
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,839
So, this is where this all really

998
00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:56,880
started for for me uh having this

999
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,119
conversation going forward was getting

1000
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,920
this to be safe. Uh just for some

1001
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,440
context, the first time Barry and I met

1002
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,599
down there, it was probably after a week

1003
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:08,800
after uh our previous director left. And

1004
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,599
when I got there, he was down below some

1005
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,680
of these rocks with half of his legs

1006
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,440
stuck up underneath the the the

1007
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,000
turf. So it's it's washing out

1008
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,000
underneath. Uh again, just super

1009
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,040
compromised all the way down. Um and so

1010
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,320
it's something that needs to be

1011
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,560
addressed and and get taken care of. So

1012
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,920
I think for me personally uh in in

1013
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,880
looking at safety first, this is the

1014
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:40,480
most important piece to this project is the shoreline stabilization and a

1015
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,359
byproduct of that is more

1016
00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:45,200
beautifification, maybe a better design

1017
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,079
there along along the uh along the

1018
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:51,760
river. So um and I think that yeah, that

1019
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,720
was the last slide. So uh again, this is it's it's been a long time

1020
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:58,560
coming. It obviously didn't happen

1021
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,119
overnight. Uh so we're just we're we're

1022
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:03,680
really hopeful that we can maybe get to

1023
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,320
the point where we can

1024
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,480
get some funding and and get it going.

1025
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,800
So and if Phil has anything to add

1026
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,240
because I know I probably just butchered

1027
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:14,160
that tried to tried to just go through

1028
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,040
it a little bit but

1029
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,640
>> sure.

1030
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,800
>> Questions for Phil. May I

1031
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,400
>> Phil does have something to add.

1032
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,240
>> Let me make a couple quick comments.

1033
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:25,760
Sure. just on the financial stuff

1034
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,000
because I'm no engineer. Um so because

1035
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,200
of the success of my predecessor and the

1036
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,599
way that this district has been managed,

1037
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,880
there is money to do these projects and

1038
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,400
we've met with several um folks from the

1039
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,200
city and we are in the process of of

1040
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,359
developing kind of a priority list for

1041
00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:50,000
my board to review and this one

1042
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,880
consistently is at the top of that list.

1043
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,960
um we we feel like, you know, we were

1044
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,560
part of this to begin with and we're

1045
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,960
invested in it and we'd really like to

1046
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:05,440
see the funds that are uh the result of the life of that district um be used

1047
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,839
in this manner. So obviously the

1048
00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:10,560
shoreline restoration is is extremely

1049
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,359
important, but we do feel like the the

1050
00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:15,200
beautifification and the redirection of

1051
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,680
the trail and just the general flow of

1052
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,760
that whole area can be done very

1053
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,960
efficiently as that work is being

1054
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,200
performed on the on the on the site in

1055
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,599
general. So, um, yeah. Um,

1056
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:31,280
and there are some other projects that

1057
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,480
we're reviewing. Um, and you know, one

1058
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,319
of my desires is to help the city to,

1059
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:39,920
um,

1060
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,680
take some of these projects and maybe

1061
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,680
not this one specifically, but projects

1062
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,079
that are in the current budget or are

1063
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:48,800
subject to the current budget shortfall,

1064
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,920
and let us provide some of that money to

1065
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,079
help correct some of the budget issues.

1066
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:56,960
and it it may not coincide

1067
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:02,000
um on the timing wise. Uh I don't think

1068
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,520
we're going to be able to get any of of

1069
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,760
this done this year. [clears throat] Um

1070
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,560
but we we do have some flexibility with

1071
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,720
how the the closeout plan uh folds

1072
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:15,359
unfolds for the district so we can we

1073
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:17,200
have some flexibility in how we can use

1074
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,880
these funds going forward.

1075
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:21,839
>> Question.

1076
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:25,119
>> Hi Will. So I I'm trying to figure out

1077
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:27,680
it this isn't the Atlas district. This

1078
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,280
is this the river district river

1079
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,040
district. Okay. And

1080
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,720
>> and the funds do have to be used

1081
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,800
specifically within that

1082
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,800
>> that geographic definition.

1083
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,560
>> Right. And it closes out in 2027. Right.

1084
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:41,520
>> Correct.

1085
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,319
>> Okay.

1086
00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:44,560
>> And so the funds have to be appropriated

1087
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,800
and the plan has to be identified and

1088
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,520
quantified and has to be written into

1089
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,280
the closeout plan. that the work does

1090
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,400
not have to be performed in 2027.

1091
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,000
>> Okay.

1092
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,920
All right. Thank you.

1093
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,550
>> You got

1094
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:03,599
» it's all yours, Phil.

1095
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:05,040
>> Thank you, Chairman Cranston. Phil Boyd,

1096
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,040
Welch Engineers.

1097
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,440
>> Phil, I can I recognize your work, man.

1098
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,680
>> Oh, thank you. [laughter]

1099
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,880
>> Um, you know, it's interesting. Justice

1100
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,680
Johnson Park. I have a friend who who

1101
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,920
lives uh

1102
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,440
I guess it's a little farther down.

1103
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,119
Anyway, um the question is always about

1104
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:28,319
parking and I saw that you have uh

1105
00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:30,720
improved parking, but I don't know where

1106
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:32,880
exactly that's at. Is it that that spare

1107
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,119
lot that we're finally going to pave

1108
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:37,359
over or

1109
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:39,040
because parking is a problem down there.

1110
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,359
>> Yes, ma'am. Uh, commissioner Wood, that

1111
00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:43,280
is an excellent question and and one of

1112
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,079
the things that and Adam and I talked a

1113
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:47,359
little bit about this is where do you

1114
00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:54,000
put the parking um where it it does the provides the functionality but

1115
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,079
doesn't consume what could be really

1116
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:59,440
good park space. And so if we look at

1117
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,319
this picture, you could because this

1118
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:05,040
roadway segment would move over here. So

1119
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,800
it would be parallel to this roadway

1120
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,440
segment. So in theory you could expand

1121
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,800
the parking lot here because the road

1122
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,960
this roadway would be moved north. So

1123
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,359
you the couplet would go away. So one

1124
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:20,560
option is to expand this parking lot.

1125
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,520
Another option is to potentially where

1126
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,359
the trail would continue on through here

1127
00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:28,560
to Hutter. Hutter Road is right here. Um

1128
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,319
there might be an opportunity to tuck

1129
00:44:30,319 --> 00:44:32,000
some parking over here so you don't have

1130
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:37,520
to use this really nice view space that has a water view as the parking

1131
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,400
lot.

1132
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,319
>> So Adam and I just talked briefly about

1133
00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:42,400
this. These are obviously big conceptual

1134
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,520
plans and once we or just even

1135
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,280
preliminary conceptual plans once we got

1136
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,640
into it we would go through a few

1137
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,280
scenarios and I anticipate they would

1138
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:52,720
make it through to Adam up to the

1139
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:54,720
commission here. you all would look at a

1140
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:56,319
couple of different options and conclude

1141
00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:59,839
what fits your value structure for the

1142
00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:01,760
use of your real estate.

1143
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:02,720
>> Great.

1144
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:04,720
>> But it was parking is has been on the

1145
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:05,440
list.

1146
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,960
>> That's great. Thank you.

1147
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,200
I I would I'm just going to spend some

1148
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,839
time on this. I know how to find you and

1149
00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:15,359
uh if I have other questions, I can do

1150
00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:15,760
that.

1151
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,359
>> Okay. Very good.

1152
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:20,880
Mason,

1153
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,400
>> just a design choice. Is the um are you

1154
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,040
planning the dock to be enclosing the

1155
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,480
swim space or just kind of sidearming

1156
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:31,280
it? Th

1157
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,839
>> this concept is actually an enclosed

1158
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:36,480
swim space and and Adam alluded to it a

1159
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,240
little bit. There's erosion that occurs

1160
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:39,599
on the beach and then there's the

1161
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:42,319
erosion that is occurred where there's

1162
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:44,079
shoreline stabilization. And so one of

1163
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:46,560
the ways to deal with that is to

1164
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,839
mitigate how much wave action gets to

1165
00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:52,720
the beach. One of the things you can't

1166
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:54,480
see in this is when you do a peer dock

1167
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,960
here, you have the opportunity to run

1168
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,800
wave attenuators down the face of the

1169
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,720
pylan. So when the wave comes in, it

1170
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:05,599
actually hits below the dock, but it's

1171
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:08,480
hitting the batter boards that are

1172
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,079
attached to the face of the fixed

1173
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:12,800
piling. So the waves don't actually make

1174
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,800
their way into the shoreline here. So

1175
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,040
you're building both an enclosed swim

1176
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,000
area which protects the swimmers from

1177
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,480
the Boers. Uh but you're also building a

1178
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,880
wave attenuator to to start to reduce

1179
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,720
how much wave action actually gets to

1180
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,359
the beach. And then the third thing Adam

1181
00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:32,480
alluded to is um the docks don't have to

1182
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,760
be removed during the low water. you do

1183
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,079
end up creating a situation where now

1184
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:42,880
when the water goes down you have that fall hazard which we haven't

1185
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,560
completely thought that through. So

1186
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:45,760
we'll still have to think that through

1187
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,599
from a kind of a permitting issue and

1188
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:50,319
whether that means the you attempt to

1189
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:52,000
prevent people to go out there doing low

1190
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,599
water which of course you probably can't

1191
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:55,119
do because people will find a way to get

1192
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:57,680
around if you had these gated on each

1193
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,079
end. Um but it would be a design level

1194
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,079
detail we'd work through. But yes, they

1195
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:05,520
are continuous around that um swim area.

1196
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,920
>> And then for the gazebo, are you

1197
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,599
planning on just like putting in a room

1198
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:10,960
for the restroom or taking the whole

1199
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,400
thing down and rebuilding a new one?

1200
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,640
>> Again, very conceptual. This shows the

1201
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,640
restrooms tucked into the existing

1202
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,640
gazebo. I anticipate we probably

1203
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,680
wouldn't do that because it would

1204
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,560
consume too much space. Um the you could

1205
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,240
imagine the restrooms being constructed

1206
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:28,480
either adjacent to the gazebo um or in a

1207
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,319
separate location.

1208
00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:31,839
And I and I think when we started

1209
00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:34,160
working on these with Will, he he wanted

1210
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,640
to just generate a few ideas to test the

1211
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,520
waters initially with Adam, secondarily

1212
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,440
with the commission. And if there was a

1213
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,079
little bit of head nodding, um it would

1214
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:47,359
make it back to the Ignite board. Um

1215
00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:49,920
start on conceptual design very high

1216
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,480
level. um and then come back to the

1217
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,480
commission a couple of times and then

1218
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,400
move into preliminary design and and

1219
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,960
really move forward with it. So, I

1220
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,640
anticipate those restrooms will end up

1221
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,560
where Adam and Barry think that they're

1222
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,119
most functional in that space.

1223
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:06,800
>> Okay. Thank you.

1224
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,583
>> Well, Phil, I think you you answered

1225
00:48:08,583 --> 00:48:09,359
[clears throat] the question I was going

1226
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:12,079
to ask on what you saw as the next steps

1227
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:15,839
the process. So, um

1228
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:18,000
I like it.

1229
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,920
I think it'd be be a good use of those

1230
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,480
funds and and especially in a facility

1231
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,040
where it's sorely needed.

1232
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,400
>> I think it's been on the list for a

1233
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,640
while and and I know when Will took over

1234
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,599
for Tony Burns, he was actively looking

1235
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:34,240
for ways to keep keep these projects

1236
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:36,400
rolling that provided a a community

1237
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,440
benefit and also met the urban renewal

1238
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:40,559
requirements.

1239
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:42,640
>> I know historically this park has been

1240
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,640
really heavily used. There's been a lot

1241
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,200
of multif family development kind of in

1242
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,079
that corridor with a proportion of park

1243
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:51,839
space kind of not keeping up with that

1244
00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:56,480
until Atlas Park came along. So, um

1245
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,319
>> you know it

1246
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:00,319
>> gets its use.

1247
00:49:00,319 --> 00:49:03,200
>> A side question. When is the pathway

1248
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,440
between Atlas and Mil Creek going to

1249
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,040
open up?

1250
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,480
>> I don't know that I can answer that.

1251
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,760
Adam might know that better.

1252
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,680
I'll have to get back to you on that. I

1253
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,200
know I've talked to I talked with Monty

1254
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,200
and well Monty, our previous trails

1255
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,720
coordinator, and Shane, who is our

1256
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:20,640
current trails coordinator. Uh, we've

1257
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,480
been talking about that. I know that

1258
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,079
that's in the work. I'm not sure if

1259
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:26,400
that's a Chris Meyer thing, which I

1260
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,400
think it is part of some of their

1261
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,040
improvements. So, um, if that covers

1262
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,760
that whole distance, uh, then that's

1263
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,200
that project is underway. Yeah. So, this

1264
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,280
would get us, I think, fully connected

1265
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,920
all the way out to Hutter, uh, which is

1266
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,359
kind of cool, especially with this

1267
00:49:43,359 --> 00:49:45,040
getting redone. Then you've got kind of

1268
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,200
this continuous path to all of these

1269
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,880
parks and that whole system.

1270
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:49,920
>> Yeah, it's phenomenal.

1271
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,720
>> All the way into downtown, which is pretty rare, right? It's kind

1272
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:56,800
of a super and it's all for the most

1273
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,960
part all waterfront access, too, right?

1274
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,870
So,

1275
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,800
» okay. Okay. Very good. Any more

1276
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,240
questions? Thank you, Phil. Appreciate

1277
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:09,349
it.

1278
00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:12,319
Okay. Um kind of wrapping up our agenda

1279
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:15,440
here tonight. Um

1280
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,599
give any of the commissioners last

1281
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:20,559
opportunity to make any comments.

1282
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:22,800
Okay. Then I'll make the last

1283
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,400
announcement. Then our next regular

1284
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,040
meeting will be Monday, October 19th,

1285
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,200
5:30 p.m. right here in the library

1286
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,680
community room. And with that, I'll

1287
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,400
entertain a motion for adjournment.

1288
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,079
>> Second.

1289
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:37,760
So moved. Okay. [laughter]

1290
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,599
>> Now the second.

1291
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:41,280
>> Okay. Motion's been made by Commissioner

1292
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:42,800
Hill and seconded by Commissioner

1293
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,920
Toddost. All in favor of German.

1294
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:46,960
>> I.

1295
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,240
>> Thank you everybody.

1296
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:48,720
>> Thank you.

1297
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:52,119
>> Have a good week.