[0:00] Mchuan complex. So, including all the stuff, um it would be around
[0:05] $21,000 to do bark blowing just in
[0:09] Mchuan. So, we're trying to find ways to
[0:12] beautify it a little bit, cover up some
[0:13] of that stuff. So, um that was just a
[0:15] new bid that came in. So, it's just an
[0:17] information thing that, you know, we're
[0:19] seeking some of that stuff. So, um,
[0:22] another issue since Commissioner McDow
[0:24] had asked about vandalism in June, I
[0:26] think it was, or maybe the meeting
[0:28] before, but, uh, Barry and I were just
[0:30] talking just 10 minutes before we came
[0:32] over here, that, uh, we had had some
[0:34] more vandalism again today, uh, one of
[0:37] the restroom facilities where people
[0:39] chose to do some things that are not so
[0:42] fun to clean up. Um and and the cost
[0:45] estimate for that just for just for
[0:47] today alone was $1,750
[0:49] is what it cost for materials and man
[0:51] time and all of that to take care of it.
[0:53] So uh what we've discussed is we're
[0:55] going to get with Chief Jerger and maybe
[0:57] some of the captains code enforcement
[0:59] people and see if they've got some
[1:01] suggestions on how they can help us
[1:03] police that or monitor. I don't know
[1:06] because it it's it's costing us a ton a
[1:09] ton of money every season for for
[1:10] vandalism stuff. So, um,
[1:12] >> Adam, which facility was it that got hit
[1:14] today?
[1:17] >> What was that?
[1:18] >> It was We had Memorial Baseball Park, we
[1:21] had City Park, the band shell, and we
[1:23] also had the Mchuan family restrooms.
[1:27] >> Do any of them have cameras at all? Game
[1:30] cameras, even anything?
[1:32] >> The Mchuan has cameras in it. Most of
[1:35] them located within the parking lot.
[1:38] Yeah.
[1:38] >> Um, and most of them don't normally give
[1:40] us adequate
[1:43] >> footage to make it so we could actually
[1:45] make someone out. We've tried to use
[1:46] them that before. Mchuan's been hit
[1:48] quite a few different times, but we
[1:49] rarely get some kind of photo that would
[1:52] give us definitive proof that it was
[1:53] somebody.
[1:55] >> Um, are the restrooms still being closed
[1:58] at 10 or did we move that up?
[2:02] >> The restrooms are currently there. So,
[2:04] they get locked up by our security
[2:05] service. So it's kind of they start
[2:08] locking them about 9:30 and then
[2:10] normally they finish up hopefully by
[2:12] 11:00 11:30. It's kind of a tier
[2:14] process. They start downtown and then
[2:15] landings up or the further north they
[2:17] get the the later it actually goes. So
[2:20] but we do have a process that if we
[2:21] continue to get the vandalism we would
[2:23] like to shut the bathrooms ourselves at
[2:26] 4:00 cuz then we see the vandalism
[2:28] completely stop. We've been doing that
[2:30] this year uh up in area 4, so it' be
[2:33] Bluegrass Park as well as Landing Parks,
[2:35] and we haven't had any vandalism. They
[2:37] used to be our two most vandalized
[2:39] parks. So, us closing them when we leave
[2:40] for the day has eliminated that problem.
[2:47] » Yeah. Mason,
[2:48] >> you mentioned something about um
[2:51] turf in the sand bark area. Is that
[2:54] right below the um rock wall out there
[2:56] at Mchuan?
[2:58] >> Mhm. Yeah. So that's it's kind of become
[3:00] a problem area. Like if you ask Barry,
[3:02] it was, you know, was kind of a litter
[3:04] box, unfortunately for feral cats and
[3:06] whatnot. And and wood chips just don't
[3:10] they don't stay. They don't hold up. So
[3:12] it would make it all uniform through
[3:14] there if we were able to do that. So
[3:17] >> yeah, sure.
[3:19] >> Um, as a grandparent taking grandkids
[3:21] down there, I highly encourage you to
[3:23] put the turf in. Get rid of that stuff.
[3:27] The kids like it. We [laughter] share
[3:28] that idea.
[3:31] >> Um, oh, just a quick update with um,
[3:35] let's see, the turf, the vandalism, uh,
[3:37] trees. So, we're, believe it or not,
[3:39] still have some work to do with some of
[3:42] the tree damage from the windstorms that
[3:44] happened long ago. Uh, so all that's
[3:47] going to we're going to get reimbursed
[3:48] through FEMA. Um, but Barry had worked
[3:50] with uh, Notthead Tree Service, so
[3:53] they're going to go in and take care of
[3:54] the last few problem trees in the
[3:56] cemetery. uh which were some that lost
[3:58] their tops and some other compromised
[4:00] ones. Uh so hopefully fingers crossed
[4:04] we'll have that whole thing finally
[4:06] behind us after here about what nine
[4:08] months that we've been dealing with it.
[4:10] So um and then an update on the Trails
[4:12] Park uh which is out there by the
[4:15] Archeterra neighborhood. They're off of
[4:16] Hanley. Um we we did finally get a bid
[4:20] back from the contractor who is also
[4:23] doing the Corte project. Uh the bid came
[4:27] in a lot higher than what we maybe
[4:30] thought. Um so uh or estimate I should
[4:33] say, not bid, but um so we're going to
[4:35] get back with them and maybe re redo the
[4:38] redraw the concept. So there wasn't
[4:40] anything really concrete to bring to the
[4:41] commission to show you any concepts
[4:43] because it's going to have to we don't
[4:45] have a choice. It's going to have to
[4:46] change if we're going to be able to
[4:48] afford to do something out there. So
[4:49] we'll do that once we work through that
[4:51] with them. Um on the rec side, um got
[4:55] some some uh movement with the special
[4:58] needs uhou
[5:00] with Cherry Hill. Uh so they're doing
[5:03] some uh trying to do some site work
[5:04] stuff or site evaluation stuff out there
[5:08] uh so that they they can get with
[5:10] whoever they're going to hire uh to do
[5:12] all of that, you know, to to know what
[5:15] they're dealing with with uh if they
[5:17] move forward with construction. So we're
[5:19] excited about that. We'll see what
[5:21] comes, you know, comes down the road as
[5:23] they as they raise money. I'm not sure
[5:25] where they're at right now, but um
[5:28] they've been doing some periodic
[5:29] building meetings, so we'll start
[5:30] checking in and and attending those. Um
[5:33] soccer and basketball season. So,
[5:35] soccer, we've already done registration
[5:37] again, another 600 plus kids. Um
[5:41] super super big program. Uh we're
[5:44] excited for that one. And then of course
[5:45] going into basketball in the winter
[5:46] time. So, it's kind of an interesting
[5:48] thing. You know, you think that, oh,
[5:49] we're that that Wreck's probably the
[5:51] most busy in the summertime, which is
[5:53] opposite, right? Parks is very very busy
[5:55] in the summertime. Wreck is busier fall
[5:58] and winter and spring. So, um when you get indoors and and basketball
[6:05] is kind of cumbersome and one of the
[6:06] most troublesome ones to deal with,
[6:08] right? So, uh so those guys are going to
[6:09] be pretty busy. Uh and then in keeping
[6:12] with the rec stuff, uh some position
[6:14] changes. So, um, we haven't had a
[6:17] meeting. So, Jordan Anderson, who was
[6:19] our rec coordinator, got promoted to the
[6:20] superintendent role, and like I said, he
[6:22] was going to be here tonight, but he's
[6:22] on hiring. Um, so that left his
[6:25] coordinator role vacant. Um, and so we
[6:29] posted that position. We did some
[6:31] interviews today. So, uh, you know, once
[6:34] we get to a final decision, we'll we'll
[6:36] be probably bringing that person maybe
[6:38] to the next meeting, uh, to introduce
[6:40] them. And then Connor Pedicololis, who
[6:42] was one of our wreck monitors, uh took a
[6:45] job in municipal services. So, uh so
[6:49] that position just got posted last
[6:51] Wednesday.
[6:52] Um so hope hoping for a good candidate
[6:55] there. Uh but you know, as you guys
[6:57] know, our our rec staff is a staff of
[6:59] four, so we're down 50% of our workforce
[7:02] right now on the rec side when we're
[7:03] going into our busiest season. So, uh
[7:05] super fun. Um, and then one other thing
[7:09] as far as positions within within the greater department. So, Adam Carico,
[7:13] our building maintenance superintendent.
[7:14] I don't know if he's been here before.
[7:17] How many of you have met him? uh great
[7:19] guy, just a incredibly valuable asset to
[7:23] our department and the city, but um it's
[7:26] coming to council tomorrow uh that we're
[7:28] hoping to get him um bumped to a full
[7:31] superintendent and be on the same as our
[7:33] rec superintendent, park superintendent
[7:35] um because right now he's a pay grade
[7:37] below that. Uh, but if you ever have a
[7:40] chance to talk to him and and kind of
[7:42] get to know all the things that they do,
[7:44] um, I think you guys would would see
[7:46] that that's going to be a very
[7:48] beneficial thing. So, uh, we're hoping
[7:50] that passes uh passes through council
[7:52] tomorrow. And then a Jew house update.
[7:55] We've we've got just a a handful of of
[7:57] events left uh for the season. Uh it's
[8:00] been there's been some bumps and bruises
[8:02] with our new uh caretakers as far as
[8:04] just you know getting them acclimated um
[8:06] getting them you know understanding
[8:09] expectations and some of that which we
[8:10] knew right we went from somebody that
[8:12] had been there for 40 years to to a new
[8:14] caretaker. So uh working through through
[8:16] that and then lastly um just touch on
[8:19] the arts commission stuff. So, Arts
[8:21] Commission kind of got
[8:24] given back to the parks and recreation
[8:26] world. Um, and it's it's been a
[8:29] challenge. It's taken a lot of Melissa's
[8:31] time uh to to work through all the admin
[8:35] work that goes into that. So, we're just
[8:37] really trying to find some efficiencies
[8:39] and and maybe cutting back some of the
[8:41] expectations that that the commission
[8:43] has as far as needs of staff time
[8:46] because obviously you guys know she's
[8:48] very very busy and and if we're given 15
[8:52] hours a week to one one uh commission,
[8:56] it's
[8:57] >> it's pretty cumbersome. So, uh, so just
[9:00] working through some of those those
[9:01] efficiencies and and
[9:03] >> Christie
[9:04] >> Adam, you were at the joint
[9:06] [clears throat] NIC meeting that council
[9:08] held with the NIC board and the
[9:10] discussion from both council and the NIC
[9:14] board was Chief Analopee
[9:17] >> and I assume that's now going to be in
[9:18] your hands on how to move him, where to
[9:22] put him, what's the discussion, what's
[9:24] happening with that,
[9:24] >> that's going on that's going to be on
[9:26] the next agenda for the next meeting.
[9:28] Okay.
[9:29] >> Um,
[9:30] without evaluating it, I mean, I don't
[9:32] know. I couldn't tell you exactly what
[9:34] it's going to take to move it. Um, but
[9:36] once uh
[9:37] >> Scott's got a strong back.
[9:39] >> What's that?
[9:40] >> Chairman has a strong back.
[9:41] >> From what I understand, it's quite uh
[9:44] quite heavy and difficult to move. So,
[9:46] um, but yeah, once we get the okay,
[9:48] we'll get back with with Nick Swain or
[9:50] whoever he, you know, assigned to that
[9:52] and figure out how we can how we can
[9:55] help. And if we can use arts commission
[9:56] maintenance dollars to help pay for
[9:58] that, then
[9:58] >> be great if we could do it before
[10:00] spring.
[10:00] >> That would be the goal. Yeah. Yeah.
[10:02] >> Great. Thanks.
[10:03] >> Just a clarification, Adam, back to the
[10:05] [clears throat] arts commission. And
[10:06] it's still kind of an independent
[10:08] commission, city commission, but if I'm
[10:12] hearing it correctly, the city staff
[10:15] support for that commission has been
[10:17] handed to parks and recreation.
[10:18] >> That's correct. Yep.
[10:19] >> Who was supporting that
[10:23] administrative
[10:26] uh task before? Well, historically, so
[10:29] when I started 20 years ago, um, it was
[10:32] with Steve Anthony and it was in in the
[10:35] wreck world and parks and recreation.
[10:37] Um,
[10:38] and I used to have to maintain the
[10:40] fountain that was out there and go take
[10:41] care of the bronze sculptures and some
[10:43] of that kind of stuff. So, um, it got
[10:45] passed around after that. It went to
[10:47] planning and then ended up in
[10:48] administration. Uh, so we had a former
[10:51] finance employee and then our our former
[10:54] city administrator that that was part of
[10:56] that. Um, and then as it was getting
[10:59] closer to his exit, it was it was given
[11:02] back to to parks and recreation, which
[11:04] is fine. I mean, it it really fits for
[11:08] what we do, right? Most of the art is
[11:10] for the most part located in park
[11:12] property or along the trail, so it makes
[11:15] sense. But um it I think has just kind
[11:19] of taken on a mind of its own with with
[11:21] not a lot of checks and balances for for
[11:23] a number of years. So we're just trying
[11:25] to we're trying to rein it back in a
[11:27] little bit. Um you know it's a pretty
[11:29] big committee with seven oh gosh no 14
[11:33] people maybe or something on it. So it's pretty large. Um and they've got
[11:38] had 17 subcommittees. And so we're just
[11:41] trying to just trying to tweak things to
[11:42] make it more efficient so it's not as burdensome on staff time.
[11:47] >> And Amy's your council liaison. Maybe
[11:49] she could help with that.
[11:51] >> What's that?
[11:51] >> Maybe she could help with some of that.
[11:53] >> Yeah. And she she has been helpful with uh they did finally cut the
[11:58] subcommittee list down to five, which is
[12:01] fine. Um and yeah, Amy's been been great
[12:04] supporting all of that. So,
[12:07] >> and I think that's all I've got so far.
[12:10] >> Just a question like pondering question
[12:14] going back to the turf or Mchuan Park in
[12:16] general. Is there any plans or ideas
[12:19] floating around about the bark under the
[12:20] swings?
[12:23] >> The bark under the swings as far as like
[12:26] replacing it or
[12:27] >> just what Yeah. What's going to happen
[12:29] with it or
[12:30] >> I'll let Barry answer that one for you.
[12:33] [clears throat] We typically keep the
[12:34] bark underneath the swings because it's
[12:36] such a heavy use item that if we were to
[12:38] do it in turf, it would actually cost us
[12:40] more uh to replace the turf as often as
[12:43] we would. So, it's actually more
[12:44] fiscally responsible for us if we stick
[12:46] with bark. Okay.
[12:50] >> Anything else for Adam or Barry?
[12:53] Thank you. Appreciate it. Do the
[12:56] commissioners have any comments or
[12:58] announcements this evening?
[13:01] Okay.
[13:03] Uh, I don't think we'll have public
[13:05] comments, but I'll ask is there anybody
[13:07] here that wants to address the
[13:08] commission? Uh, it's not already part of
[13:12] a agenda item. You have three minutes.
[13:15] Doug, do you want to
[13:18] if you
[13:20] uh Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and members
[13:22] of the parks and recck commission. I
[13:24] just wanted to make a comment that on
[13:26] occurrence there's something that can
[13:29] happen that goes a little bit beyond
[13:31] what your expectations are and that
[13:34] needs uh public recognition or public
[13:37] praise if you will. And not too long
[13:40] ago, your new parks director and and
[13:43] Barry and the parks department uh
[13:46] completed something that's really worthy
[13:49] of that recognition. And it's indirectly
[13:52] tied to to another item that we're here
[13:55] for tonight. But the band shell flooring
[13:59] uh was in need of desperate repair. It
[14:02] was a uh a a flooring that was made out
[14:06] of roof sheathing. It had an epoxy
[14:08] coating and and [music] a another layer
[14:11] under that. It held up pretty good. It's
[14:14] been replaced several times, but it's
[14:16] outdoors and in the weather. Uh these
[14:20] gentlemen had uh contracted with
[14:22] somebody and it now has a composite
[14:25] style wood flooring like TX flooring. It
[14:28] is absolutely beautiful. Very, very
[14:32] nice. right down to the color and the
[14:35] craftsmanship of all the work. And so I
[14:38] thought they needed to get some credit
[14:40] for that because they're probably not
[14:41] going to stand up and brag about it on
[14:43] their own. So I'll do it for them
[14:45] tonight. And and then one other thing
[14:49] that [clears throat] I I thought about
[14:51] on my way up here at one time the city
[14:55] had a thank you card that was done with
[14:59] the city logo. And since the beans have
[15:02] already been spilled on this one, uh it
[15:05] wouldn't do a whole lot of good to give
[15:07] one to Adam and Barry because they know
[15:09] what it's about, but it still wouldn't
[15:12] hurt. But your contractor, it's really
[15:15] good public relations to uh send
[15:17] something like that out with maybe a
[15:19] picture of it. And uh thanks cuz that
[15:22] was extraordinary work. I've worked with
[15:24] some of you on past projects. You know,
[15:26] my standards are pretty high. This one
[15:29] exceeded my expectations. So, I just
[15:32] wanted to say thanks.
[15:33] >> Awesome.
[15:34] >> So,
[15:35] >> thank you, Doug. Just for the record,
[15:36] that was Doug Eastwood, uh, [laughter]
[15:39] uh, parks and rec director ammeritus.
[15:41] So, anyway,
[15:45] okay. Um
[15:48] our next item is an information item
[15:50] discussion
[15:52] uh regarding the reestablishment of the
[15:55] park and recreation commission workshops
[15:58] and also the city park seaw wall and
[16:00] trail. So you want to introduce us to
[16:03] that one Adam?
[16:04] >> Yes. So not a big presentation that
[16:07] comes along with this. Um, and initially
[16:09] we were talking about maybe this being
[16:11] an action item potentially to form a a
[16:13] committee uh steering committee or ad
[16:16] hoc committee like we talked about for
[16:18] um for the the basically the the
[16:22] esplenon I think is what you would call
[16:23] it there along the seaw wall. Uh so it's
[16:26] been in need of repair for quite some
[16:28] time. I think that's probably pretty
[16:30] obvious to most of us. Um and we've had
[16:32] a couple of meetings with uh Mr.
[16:34] Eastwood and Tom Toruson who's who's
[16:37] here as well. Um who had come forward
[16:39] with some good ideas. Um and I think
[16:41] it's it's a it's time to to bring the
[16:44] workshops back uh as we've kind of been
[16:46] talking about once we got I got settled
[16:49] um to to bring those back because I
[16:51] think that they're beneficial in
[16:52] discussing things specifically like this
[16:56] um in a little maybe a little less
[16:58] formal setting where people can come
[17:00] with ideas still open to the public. Um
[17:03] but we thought this would be a perfect
[17:05] thing to kick that off uh bringing those
[17:08] workshops shops back and and
[17:09] specifically talk about uh that seaw
[17:12] wall project um what we want a committee
[17:15] to look like who we think should serve
[17:16] on it um and and then of course you know
[17:20] the big question is how we fund it. So
[17:24] um we just thought that that would be a
[17:25] perfect thing to to start those
[17:27] workshops back with. So,
[17:31] >> um maybe Christie can weigh in on this,
[17:33] but um you know, we're discussing an ad
[17:35] hoc committee to study and give us
[17:38] recommendations on, you know, what
[17:41] repairs and renovations can be done
[17:42] along the prominade there. Um I guess
[17:45] how do you see that process going? form
[17:47] in the committee. Is it something that
[17:50] this commission would would um select
[17:54] the membership of the committee or
[17:55] provide recommendations to council for
[17:57] them to approve it or how do you
[18:00] envision that coming together?
[18:01] >> Yeah, I think that that for me first I
[18:04] think it would be important if if
[18:06] [snorts] our entire commission wanted to
[18:08] serve on that because that's what you
[18:09] guys are you know obviously passionate
[18:11] about all things park and wreck and
[18:12] that's why you're serving on this
[18:13] commission. So, if if everybody on our park and rec commission wanted to
[18:17] serve on that, that would be great.
[18:18] Certainly not expected. Um, but I think
[18:21] that there's there's also some good
[18:23] value in community input, past uh parks
[18:26] directors perhaps. Um, but uh that that
[18:30] are really invested in that space that
[18:33] have some good ideas and some good
[18:35] input. So um but I think the first part
[18:38] is talking you know really talking
[18:39] through that get a group feel of of uh
[18:43] what that expectation is how big we want
[18:45] the community to be or committee not
[18:47] community uh how big we want that
[18:49] committee to be uh and then everybody
[18:52] you know coming kind of coming to the
[18:53] table saying hey I think this person
[18:54] would be great because x y and z or you
[18:57] know they've been involved in that in
[18:59] that space before so um and then from
[19:02] there you know kind of see see where
[19:04] that leads needs.
[19:06] >> Great question.
[19:07] >> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Adam, if
[19:10] it's a um if it's a special committee
[19:12] form just for this particular project,
[19:15] it's highly appropriate for you and our
[19:17] chairman to probably determine who's
[19:20] going to serve on the committee and
[19:22] hopefully all of us would be available
[19:23] to do some of that plus the many people
[19:26] from the public. If it's an ad hoc
[19:28] committee that's going to go on and on forever, then the mayor is the
[19:31] only one that can really appoint the
[19:33] committee members. But if there's a time
[19:35] frame and I think the time frame is just
[19:37] getting getting the prominade repaired
[19:41] um with the help of a public private
[19:44] partnership and Douggee and Tom Toruson
[19:47] have been very passionate about this
[19:48] project. They brought it to my
[19:50] attention. They've brought it to public
[19:52] attention and they're getting a
[19:54] tremendous amount of support of people
[19:56] that say, "Yeah, I want to help." And
[19:58] they have some great concepts and ideas.
[19:59] And so it really would be great to have
[20:02] a workshop where we just focused on
[20:04] that, put together that special
[20:06] committee and then gave ourselves a time
[20:09] frame at the [snorts] at the same time
[20:11] we do that of how long we think this
[20:13] will take and how long that special
[20:15] committee would meet.
[20:17] >> I think you know you're forming the
[20:18] committee. I think defining very clear
[20:20] goals and objectives of what you want
[20:22] that committee to accomplish would be
[20:24] important too. So
[20:25] >> yeah,
[20:26] >> you know, those need to be determined
[20:28] and well stated.
[20:30] >> Agreed,
[20:31] >> Bridget.
[20:32] >> Well, I also think uh making it clear um
[20:36] uh the decision-m um
[20:40] protocol and how that would all work and
[20:43] knowing the so that the committee
[20:45] understands their um part in in the
[20:51] project. Yeah. and then how it comes
[20:53] back to the uh commission.
[20:56] >> Yeah, I think that's important. I think
[20:58] Doug and uh Tom understand that that
[21:00] this is an advisory committee.
[21:02] Ultimately, um the parks the parks
[21:04] department director and the commission
[21:06] make the final determination on city
[21:08] property. But we have a heck of an
[21:10] opportunity with a private public
[21:13] partnership and the expertise of these
[21:15] two gentlemen that will will really
[21:17] assist us. Mhm.
[21:20] >> Mason,
[21:21] >> do you think the uh time frame and like
[21:24] all the um the details about how this
[21:26] committee would be formed and stuff
[21:28] would be at the workshop or chosen by
[21:31] this committee?
[21:32] >> Well, it'd be at the workshop, correct,
[21:34] Mr. Chairman?
[21:35] >> Yeah. At least if there was had to be
[21:37] any action item that would be associated
[21:39] with adopting anything, we'd have to
[21:41] bring it from the workshop to this
[21:43] formal monthly meeting format. But,
[21:48] you know, I we're not there. We don't
[21:49] know exactly what it's going to look
[21:51] like yet. So, I think that's a perfect
[21:53] opportunity in a workshop to begin the
[21:55] process of
[21:57] >> One followup on that. Um, Adam, can we
[22:00] get a workshop together before the end
[22:02] of the month?
[22:04] >> Potentially. Uh, I'm going to be gone
[22:06] for two weeks
[22:09] >> chasing things in the woods. So, um,
[22:11] I'll be back the week of the 28th, so we
[22:13] could try and and shoot for like that
[22:15] last week of September if everybody's
[22:17] available.
[22:18] >> Okay.
[22:18] >> If that if that works.
[22:20] >> Sooner the better. But you deserve a
[22:22] vacation.
[22:23] >> Thank you.
[22:23] >> Those poor animals.
[22:26] >> Um,
[22:29] both Doug and Tom are here. I guess I'd
[22:31] invite them. Do you have any other
[22:32] comments or anything you'd like to add
[22:34] regarding this topic?
[22:35] >> I didn't, but I do now. [laughter]
[22:38] If you just state uh your name for the
[22:39] record, Tom.
[22:40] >> Tom Torerson.
[22:42] Um born three blocks from here. In fact,
[22:45] um thanks for letting me address this.
[22:48] is exact when when what happened
[22:51] was Dave Olivera wrote a little article
[22:54] and did some stuff on social. I saw it
[22:56] and I called him and then Doug and I got
[22:59] together and met down there and met with
[23:02] Christie and much like it happens
[23:06] frequently as things degrade slowly. You
[23:09] don't really notice it and there's a
[23:12] distraction down there is the lake and
[23:14] the beach and all this other stuff, but
[23:15] it looks terrible that I've been a real
[23:17] estate broker and developer here for 33
[23:19] years. Like I said, I was born here.
[23:22] I've built speck homes and I've done all
[23:23] sorts of design work and and and things
[23:25] like that. And I thought h and I've done
[23:27] a lot of political work for the last 25
[23:29] years for the association of realtorism
[23:31] personally. I
[23:33] specifically told Gan that I am not
[23:36] interested in doing this if this is
[23:38] going to be a city committee because
[23:40] nothing will get done in a timely
[23:41] manner. I want to I want to work on this
[23:45] actively.
[23:47] between Doug and I, we've got already
[23:49] we've got nonprofits
[23:51] invested, you know, literally wanting to
[23:53] invest in this project. I've got quasi
[23:55] governmental and governmental stuff.
[23:57] I've got a private corporation. I've got
[24:00] another uh group that's reasonably large
[24:04] in town that would like to financially
[24:05] contribute to it. I want to my goal
[24:08] would be to break ground in the spring.
[24:10] And I know you guys are in a budget
[24:11] crunch. I I've got some plans and ideas
[24:14] on this and so does Doug that are really
[24:15] great. Plus, as a as a historian with
[24:18] his with his work at the parks
[24:20] department for so long and being
[24:21] responsible for so much of the of the
[24:23] beautiful parks and things that we have,
[24:25] it's an incredibly uh valuable with any
[24:29] type of organization group committee to
[24:31] have somebody that's a historian that
[24:33] can say we tried that or we did this or
[24:35] this is how these agreements went or
[24:37] this is where that went wrong. and and
[24:39] then you get to couple that with with
[24:41] the great, you know, input that we've
[24:43] had from Adam and the willing
[24:45] willingness to do this. But having a
[24:48] committee to form a committee so that
[24:50] the committee can report to a commission
[24:51] so the commission can report to the
[24:53] council, that doesn't work for me. It's a waste of my time. And um and I
[24:59] feel badly to say it like that, but it's
[25:01] the truth. Um, this needs to be run like
[25:04] a private project and then the city and
[25:06] you guys need to decide can a
[25:09] conglomeration of people raise the money
[25:12] and then support the maintenance of it
[25:14] and then get it done and and if we can't but just doing the committee to
[25:21] have a meeting to have a meeting about a
[25:22] meeting I I just I don't have that much
[25:25] time or or love for anything to do that
[25:28] at my age anymore. So,
[25:30] >> I'd like to respond to Mr. Torus and my
[25:32] good friend Tom. So, Tom, we're talking
[25:35] about city-owned property.
[25:37] >> Correct.
[25:37] >> And your dear friend and former uh parks
[25:40] director Doug Eastwood would never hand
[25:43] over a park to a private totally private
[25:46] committee. These the commission are
[25:49] private citizens that come and serve the
[25:52] parks on behalf of the city. And so, I
[25:55] think we can get there. I don't think
[25:57] we're going to have committees that talk
[25:59] about another committee and another
[26:00] committee. We can streamline this thing,
[26:02] but it is a public park owned by the
[26:04] city and so we absolutely have to do it
[26:07] correctly.
[26:08] >> May I misspoke or was misunderstood. I never
[26:12] intended it to have any type of private
[26:14] ownership or anything. I was just
[26:15] talking about just being driven to take
[26:18] the weight off of because there's a lot
[26:20] of stuff that's going on. Budgetary
[26:22] items being in the red and so on and so
[26:24] forth. That's all I was talking about is
[26:26] just the driving force behind the group.
[26:28] You guys, of course, would have to be
[26:29] the the commission would have to be the
[26:31] ones that brings it to the council. We
[26:32] don't have that authority. I I didn't
[26:34] want to make it sound like that. So, I
[26:36] apologize. I just would like to be
[26:37] really involved and to try to get it
[26:40] rolling quicker.
[26:41] >> We want you involved, too. And I promise
[26:42] you won't want to put a fork in your eye
[26:44] sitting [laughter] committee meetings.
[26:46] >> Thanks. And I apologize for
[26:48] [clears throat] for sounding like I
[26:49] thought it was, you know, to make it
[26:51] sound like it was going to be a private
[26:53] thing or privatized. Not whatsoever. No,
[26:55] >> we're good. We're gonna work on this
[26:57] together.
[26:57] >> Yeah. So, I would love it if we could
[26:59] form a committee and that's about all.
[27:01] Thank you very much.
[27:02] >> Anything else for Tom? Okay.
[27:04] >> Thank you, Tom. Appreciate it.
[27:06] >> I I guess I'm just as long as we have a
[27:09] clear target and a very clear picture of
[27:13] what we're after here, we should be able
[27:16] to meet that goal.
[27:19] And I I don't know, you know, if we have
[27:22] that figured out yet or uh what this uh
[27:27] park, seaw wall, and trail
[27:30] um
[27:32] project is or um it sounds like lots of
[27:36] folks have been talking about it and so
[27:38] somebody has a vision.
[27:40] I don't know if you know maybe we need
[27:42] to um maybe it's going to come out at
[27:45] this particular committee. Um
[27:49] but it needs to be very clear where
[27:52] we're headed on this.
[27:54] >> Yeah. Um there I there are some concepts
[27:57] out there that people have come up with
[27:59] that are very nice. Um and so that's
[28:02] where all that would come out in the
[28:03] workshop or we could see what some of
[28:04] their visioning is and then you know see
[28:07] if it if that actually works for the
[28:09] city. Um, I'm sure we're all going to
[28:11] come to a happy medium, but the the end
[28:13] result is hopefully a really nice
[28:17] prominade. Tom's right. It it is it
[28:19] needs to be addressed. It's just kind of
[28:21] fallen on the wayside and um because we
[28:24] have so many fabulous, beautiful parks
[28:26] that we're keeping up and it's just but
[28:28] it's just time to to give it a dress up.
[28:33] >> Okay. [clears throat]
[28:36] Okay.
[28:38] Let's move on to the next item. HREI
[28:42] building grant.
[28:44] >> Yes, me again. Um, yeah. So, we um or
[28:49] actually the historical preservation uh
[28:52] committee commission. I don't know if
[28:54] they're a committee or a commission, but
[28:56] uh they they actually secured a grant
[28:58] for $65,000 to do some uh maintenance
[29:03] slash uh improvements to some of the
[29:06] brick stuff at the HRI building. So, uh
[29:09] some not enough to pay for anything
[29:10] structural. Uh but Adam Currico, our
[29:13] building building maintenance
[29:14] superintendent, he's been working uh
[29:16] with uh Shannon from that commission,
[29:18] who's the one that that uh secured the
[29:21] grant, uh to come up with all the things
[29:24] that they can fit into that $65,000.
[29:27] Um and I think they we're getting really
[29:30] close to to them having a pretty good
[29:32] plan of of the best use of that money to
[29:34] uh most of it's going to be on the front
[29:36] side to but but to do tuck pointing as Adam calls it, right? So, fixing some
[29:41] brick and mortar stuff. Um, one of the
[29:43] companies he's been talking with does a
[29:45] lot of work with matching uh historical
[29:49] brick with new stuff. Um, color matching
[29:52] grout, those kinds of things. So, it'll
[29:54] be really interesting once we get to
[29:56] that point where we can select a
[29:57] contractor and and get going with that.
[29:59] But, just thought it was something
[30:00] beneficial for the commission to know
[30:02] since it it does fall under our purview
[30:04] and it's an old historical building
[30:06] that's again been been in need of some
[30:08] love for quite some time. So, um, and
[30:10] then of course that'll make it that'll
[30:12] make Janette happy, I think, if we do
[30:14] some of that stuff. So,
[30:17] >> okay.
[30:19] Anything else on that one?
[30:22] Okay, moving along then, uh, land and
[30:25] water conservation fund conversion
[30:28] proposal update.
[30:31] >> Yes. So, and and this is one um that is going to be kind of an ongoing thing.
[30:38] has been probably one of the biggest uh
[30:40] learning curves for me. But no, Doug
[30:42] left. So he had he had helped me kind of
[30:44] understand some of that stuff with the
[30:46] conversion. But uh right now technically
[30:49] we are uh out of compliance with land
[30:52] and water and it and it really dates
[30:54] back to uh a lot to do with the old
[30:56] tennis courts at NIC when I think there
[30:59] were six of them. three of them went out
[31:02] and then another three went out. Uh and we never really got back into
[31:07] compliance with replacing like same for
[31:10] same or recreational facilities for
[31:12] that. And then some of it also had to do
[31:13] with some other land swap stuff with uh
[31:16] city swapping lots uh that that fell in
[31:21] that boundary. So, uh, the upside is
[31:23] Kathy Mureer, who is with Land and
[31:26] Water, um, she's very busy, but, uh,
[31:29] we've we've set a meeting for mid
[31:30] October, um, to to get with her. She's
[31:34] going to really break it down for us of
[31:37] how like how we got here and what all
[31:40] needs to be done uh to get back into
[31:42] compliance so that we are in good
[31:44] standing with them so that then we can
[31:46] actually submit for grant funding
[31:48] through them again because that's a good
[31:50] [snorts] a really good [clears throat]
[31:51] funding source that that can help parks
[31:53] but right now we're not eligible for it.
[31:55] So, um, if if any of you would like and
[31:59] I can I can certainly just send a an
[32:01] email out to the group, but if anybody
[32:03] would like to attend that meeting just
[32:04] for some context, um, if it's
[32:06] interesting to you, it's going to it's
[32:08] going to be mid-occtober. Um, but I'll I
[32:10] can send an an invite out. So, if
[32:12] anybody is interested Yeah.
[32:14] >> Uh, and sitting in on that, that would
[32:15] be that would be great. Yeah, I think
[32:17] that's going to be crit critical to get
[32:19] back in compliance because there's a lot
[32:20] of grant funding that we're we're
[32:22] missing because there wasn't some
[32:25] previous follow-through on that that
[32:27] conversion. So,
[32:29] >> um it it not has to do with the transfer
[32:32] of money or providing recreational
[32:35] facilities of like value. It just does
[32:37] it have to do with reestablishing
[32:40] boundaries that account for conversion
[32:43] or you know what what's the detail of
[32:45] that or do we know? So far, what I've
[32:48] discussed with Kathy is more valuebased
[32:50] than the actual boundary. So, I couldn't
[32:53] speak to the boundary part in
[32:54] particular. Um, but just for some
[32:58] context, since we brought up the trails
[33:00] park, the value of even that park if we
[33:02] did it would still not be enough to
[33:04] cover what we're behind. Um,
[33:10] she may have undervalued that park a
[33:11] little bit. So, um, yeah.
[33:13] [clears throat] So, we'll talk through
[33:14] all of that stuff to get some clear-cut
[33:16] direction so at least we know what we
[33:18] need to do to get back into compliance
[33:20] and then hopefully we'll be able to to
[33:23] get
[33:23] >> after that meeting with her. Is that
[33:25] something you can bring back to us in
[33:26] workshop
[33:28] >> agenda item and kind of bring us up to
[33:29] speed?
[33:30] >> Absolutely.
[33:30] >> Yeah.
[33:35] » Okay.
[33:38] Last but not least, Ignite funding for
[33:40] Johnson Mill River. Um, why don't you
[33:44] introduce us to the
[33:46] uh discussion, Adam, and and uh perhaps
[33:50] introduce our guests that are here with
[33:52] us on this.
[33:53] >> I think this one's on. Um, so we um had
[33:57] a meeting
[33:58] three weeks ago. I don't know. My time
[34:00] table's probably off. Uh, but Phil Boyd
[34:03] and Will Osborne, who's with Ignite,
[34:05] Phil with Welsh Comr. Um so um it had
[34:09] been brought to
[34:11] uh to executive team um and and some
[34:14] other meetings asking for some projects
[34:16] that would fall within the uh river
[34:19] district of Ignite uh for for possible
[34:22] funding um you know before that district
[34:25] closed. Uh and and fortunately for us,
[34:29] um there there weren't a lot of
[34:31] additional projects outside what what
[34:34] we've asked for for uh Johnson Mill
[34:37] River Park. And then there's a couple of
[34:38] street projects and these two can speak
[34:41] to it better. So I'll just go through
[34:42] the little bit that I peeled out of
[34:44] Phil's uh much longer presentation that
[34:47] involved all the street work and some of
[34:49] that kind of stuff because we're not
[34:50] here to talk about streets. So um see if
[34:54] I can remember how to work this. So, um,
[34:57] just going over, you know, parks master
[34:59] plan. Um, you know, we all know what
[35:02] that property had started out as with,
[35:05] uh, with the railroad. Um, all the, uh,
[35:09] trail connections that we wanted to have
[35:12] go all the way through there so that the
[35:13] trail was all connected all the way
[35:15] through, uh, you know, from from
[35:18] downtown and and all the way out to
[35:19] Hutter Road. So, um, and then on top of
[35:23] that, um, you know, if you look at the
[35:24] right side there, talking about adding
[35:26] some other park amenities, uh, some
[35:28] benches, maybe picnic shelter stuff,
[35:31] playground stuff. Um, you know, some of
[35:33] those kinds of things that that maybe
[35:35] could be a good addition there. Um,
[35:40] let's see.
[35:42] This one is just uh uh just a little
[35:46] graph slide that we'll kind of skip
[35:48] through that one because I want to get
[35:50] through to
[35:52] um where some of those photos are so we
[35:55] can really just show you some of what's
[35:58] going on there. So, this is just an
[36:00] overview. Shows uh shows that trail
[36:04] going down through there, an old
[36:05] railway. Um
[36:08] here is a a picture of what it actually
[36:11] I guess Barry looks like this right now.
[36:13] Right. So uh shrub shrub beds lining the road there and and uh just
[36:21] dead space [laughter]
[36:23] uh in the middle there. So, this overall
[36:25] idea is going to be to kind of beautify
[36:27] that, change some of the roadway stuff
[36:29] and and I'm I'll probably will let Phil
[36:32] take some of this because he can give
[36:34] you uh since this was his presentation,
[36:37] but give you specifics, more specifics
[36:40] um on on the overall scope, but um
[36:45] going a little bit further here where
[36:49] Oh my goodness.
[36:52] To show Yeah, same thing. But if you
[36:54] look at the bottom there, maybe just a
[36:55] concept of of a little bit of a
[36:59] direction of the trail.
[37:01] So here, okay, this is kind of where I
[37:03] wanted to get uh existing gazebo on the
[37:06] left and a potential concept on the
[37:08] right there of of adding some restroom
[37:11] stuff, which would be super beneficial.
[37:13] Obviously, like, you know, doing some
[37:14] beautifification and upgrading some
[37:16] pathway, some lighting, maybe some
[37:18] interpretive signage, which would be
[37:20] great. Um, and again, this is all
[37:22] concept stuff just based on he's basing
[37:24] it all off of, you know, staff input and
[37:26] maybe some public input of of uh, you
[37:30] know, what we're looking for. Um, again,
[37:32] another concept here, but the biggest
[37:34] thing for me when when I saw this is the beach area over there is in need of
[37:40] some it's in need of some attention. Um,
[37:43] we lose most of the sand every year with
[37:47] the river current. So, uh, one of the
[37:50] things that Phil has in here that he
[37:51] kind of pitched was was possibly doing
[37:53] instead of doing a having a dock, a free
[37:55] floating dock, this would be, uh, uh,
[37:58] peer peer supported, right? So, um, no
[38:02] need to pull it out in the winter time
[38:03] like we do and spend extra dollars
[38:05] there. So,
[38:07] um,
[38:10] and then there's just another view of
[38:11] what it potentially could look like with
[38:13] some of that done.
[38:17] Maybe doing some benches and again that
[38:19] redirection of the path a little bit so
[38:21] you've got some more pathway closer to
[38:22] the river. Um, you know, some signage
[38:25] just makes it a little bit a little bit
[38:26] nicer in there. Um,
[38:31] and then I'm going to skip that one
[38:33] because I want to go to this part. This
[38:34] is probably the biggest part. This was
[38:36] one of the first things that Barry and I
[38:37] talked about um when when I took over
[38:41] was this shoreline. And you can see on
[38:43] the left there, it is severely severely
[38:46] compromised. Um and maybe we may have
[38:48] mentioned this as as you know, something
[38:50] that we were going to kind of go after.
[38:52] So, this is where this all really
[38:53] started for for me uh having this
[38:56] conversation going forward was getting
[38:59] this to be safe. Uh just for some
[39:01] context, the first time Barry and I met
[39:03] down there, it was probably after a week
[39:05] after uh our previous director left. And
[39:08] when I got there, he was down below some
[39:11] of these rocks with half of his legs
[39:13] stuck up underneath the the the
[39:17] turf. So it's it's washing out
[39:20] underneath. Uh again, just super
[39:22] compromised all the way down. Um and so
[39:25] it's something that needs to be
[39:26] addressed and and get taken care of. So
[39:28] I think for me personally uh in in
[39:31] looking at safety first, this is the
[39:34] most important piece to this project is the shoreline stabilization and a
[39:40] byproduct of that is more
[39:43] beautifification, maybe a better design
[39:45] there along along the uh along the
[39:48] river. So um and I think that yeah, that
[39:51] was the last slide. So uh again, this is it's it's been a long time
[39:56] coming. It obviously didn't happen
[39:58] overnight. Uh so we're just we're we're
[40:01] really hopeful that we can maybe get to
[40:03] the point where we can
[40:06] get some funding and and get it going.
[40:08] So and if Phil has anything to add
[40:10] because I know I probably just butchered
[40:12] that tried to tried to just go through
[40:14] it a little bit but
[40:15] >> sure.
[40:16] >> Questions for Phil. May I
[40:18] >> Phil does have something to add.
[40:22] >> Let me make a couple quick comments.
[40:24] Sure. just on the financial stuff
[40:25] because I'm no engineer. Um so because
[40:30] of the success of my predecessor and the
[40:33] way that this district has been managed,
[40:35] there is money to do these projects and
[40:38] we've met with several um folks from the
[40:42] city and we are in the process of of
[40:45] developing kind of a priority list for
[40:47] my board to review and this one
[40:50] consistently is at the top of that list.
[40:52] um we we feel like, you know, we were
[40:54] part of this to begin with and we're
[40:56] invested in it and we'd really like to
[40:58] see the funds that are uh the result of the life of that district um be used
[41:05] in this manner. So obviously the
[41:07] shoreline restoration is is extremely
[41:10] important, but we do feel like the the
[41:13] beautifification and the redirection of
[41:15] the trail and just the general flow of
[41:17] that whole area can be done very
[41:19] efficiently as that work is being
[41:22] performed on the on the on the site in
[41:25] general. So, um, yeah. Um,
[41:29] and there are some other projects that
[41:31] we're reviewing. Um, and you know, one
[41:34] of my desires is to help the city to,
[41:38] um,
[41:39] take some of these projects and maybe
[41:41] not this one specifically, but projects
[41:43] that are in the current budget or are
[41:46] subject to the current budget shortfall,
[41:48] and let us provide some of that money to
[41:51] help correct some of the budget issues.
[41:54] and it it may not coincide
[41:56] um on the timing wise. Uh I don't think
[42:02] we're going to be able to get any of of
[42:03] this done this year. [clears throat] Um
[42:05] but we we do have some flexibility with
[42:08] how the the closeout plan uh folds
[42:12] unfolds for the district so we can we
[42:15] have some flexibility in how we can use
[42:17] these funds going forward.
[42:20] >> Question.
[42:21] >> Hi Will. So I I'm trying to figure out
[42:25] it this isn't the Atlas district. This
[42:27] is this the river district river
[42:29] district. Okay. And
[42:31] >> and the funds do have to be used
[42:32] specifically within that
[42:34] >> that geographic definition.
[42:36] >> Right. And it closes out in 2027. Right.
[42:40] >> Correct.
[42:41] >> Okay.
[42:42] >> And so the funds have to be appropriated
[42:44] and the plan has to be identified and
[42:46] quantified and has to be written into
[42:49] the closeout plan. that the work does
[42:51] not have to be performed in 2027.
[42:54] >> Okay.
[42:56] All right. Thank you.
[42:57] >> You got
[43:02] » it's all yours, Phil.
[43:03] >> Thank you, Chairman Cranston. Phil Boyd,
[43:05] Welch Engineers.
[43:07] >> Phil, I can I recognize your work, man.
[43:09] >> Oh, thank you. [laughter]
[43:11] >> Um, you know, it's interesting. Justice
[43:14] Johnson Park. I have a friend who who
[43:17] lives uh
[43:19] I guess it's a little farther down.
[43:21] Anyway, um the question is always about
[43:25] parking and I saw that you have uh
[43:28] improved parking, but I don't know where
[43:30] exactly that's at. Is it that that spare
[43:32] lot that we're finally going to pave
[43:35] over or
[43:37] because parking is a problem down there.
[43:39] >> Yes, ma'am. Uh, commissioner Wood, that
[43:41] is an excellent question and and one of
[43:43] the things that and Adam and I talked a
[43:46] little bit about this is where do you
[43:47] put the parking um where it it does the provides the functionality but
[43:54] doesn't consume what could be really
[43:56] good park space. And so if we look at
[43:59] this picture, you could because this
[44:02] roadway segment would move over here. So
[44:05] it would be parallel to this roadway
[44:06] segment. So in theory you could expand
[44:09] the parking lot here because the road
[44:12] this roadway would be moved north. So
[44:14] you the couplet would go away. So one
[44:17] option is to expand this parking lot.
[44:20] Another option is to potentially where
[44:23] the trail would continue on through here
[44:25] to Hutter. Hutter Road is right here. Um
[44:28] there might be an opportunity to tuck
[44:30] some parking over here so you don't have
[44:32] to use this really nice view space that has a water view as the parking
[44:37] lot.
[44:38] >> So Adam and I just talked briefly about
[44:40] this. These are obviously big conceptual
[44:42] plans and once we or just even
[44:45] preliminary conceptual plans once we got
[44:47] into it we would go through a few
[44:48] scenarios and I anticipate they would
[44:51] make it through to Adam up to the
[44:52] commission here. you all would look at a
[44:54] couple of different options and conclude
[44:56] what fits your value structure for the
[44:59] use of your real estate.
[45:01] >> Great.
[45:02] >> But it was parking is has been on the
[45:04] list.
[45:05] >> That's great. Thank you.
[45:08] I I would I'm just going to spend some
[45:11] time on this. I know how to find you and
[45:13] uh if I have other questions, I can do
[45:15] that.
[45:15] >> Okay. Very good.
[45:19] Mason,
[45:20] >> just a design choice. Is the um are you
[45:24] planning the dock to be enclosing the
[45:27] swim space or just kind of sidearming
[45:30] it? Th
[45:31] >> this concept is actually an enclosed
[45:33] swim space and and Adam alluded to it a
[45:36] little bit. There's erosion that occurs
[45:38] on the beach and then there's the
[45:39] erosion that is occurred where there's
[45:42] shoreline stabilization. And so one of
[45:44] the ways to deal with that is to
[45:46] mitigate how much wave action gets to
[45:49] the beach. One of the things you can't
[45:52] see in this is when you do a peer dock
[45:54] here, you have the opportunity to run
[45:56] wave attenuators down the face of the
[45:58] pylan. So when the wave comes in, it
[46:02] actually hits below the dock, but it's
[46:05] hitting the batter boards that are
[46:08] attached to the face of the fixed
[46:10] piling. So the waves don't actually make
[46:12] their way into the shoreline here. So
[46:14] you're building both an enclosed swim
[46:17] area which protects the swimmers from
[46:20] the Boers. Uh but you're also building a
[46:22] wave attenuator to to start to reduce
[46:24] how much wave action actually gets to
[46:26] the beach. And then the third thing Adam
[46:29] alluded to is um the docks don't have to
[46:32] be removed during the low water. you do
[46:35] end up creating a situation where now
[46:38] when the water goes down you have that fall hazard which we haven't
[46:42] completely thought that through. So
[46:44] we'll still have to think that through
[46:45] from a kind of a permitting issue and
[46:47] whether that means the you attempt to
[46:50] prevent people to go out there doing low
[46:52] water which of course you probably can't
[46:53] do because people will find a way to get
[46:55] around if you had these gated on each
[46:57] end. Um but it would be a design level
[47:00] detail we'd work through. But yes, they
[47:02] are continuous around that um swim area.
[47:05] >> And then for the gazebo, are you
[47:07] planning on just like putting in a room
[47:09] for the restroom or taking the whole
[47:10] thing down and rebuilding a new one?
[47:12] >> Again, very conceptual. This shows the
[47:14] restrooms tucked into the existing
[47:16] gazebo. I anticipate we probably
[47:18] wouldn't do that because it would
[47:19] consume too much space. Um the you could
[47:22] imagine the restrooms being constructed
[47:24] either adjacent to the gazebo um or in a
[47:28] separate location.
[47:30] And I and I think when we started
[47:31] working on these with Will, he he wanted
[47:34] to just generate a few ideas to test the
[47:36] waters initially with Adam, secondarily
[47:39] with the commission. And if there was a
[47:41] little bit of head nodding, um it would
[47:44] make it back to the Ignite board. Um
[47:47] start on conceptual design very high
[47:49] level. um and then come back to the
[47:52] commission a couple of times and then
[47:54] move into preliminary design and and
[47:56] really move forward with it. So, I
[47:58] anticipate those restrooms will end up
[48:00] where Adam and Barry think that they're
[48:02] most functional in that space.
[48:05] >> Okay. Thank you.
[48:06] >> Well, Phil, I think you you answered
[48:08] [clears throat] the question I was going
[48:09] to ask on what you saw as the next steps
[48:12] the process. So, um
[48:15] I like it.
[48:18] I think it'd be be a good use of those
[48:19] funds and and especially in a facility
[48:22] where it's sorely needed.
[48:25] >> I think it's been on the list for a
[48:26] while and and I know when Will took over
[48:28] for Tony Burns, he was actively looking
[48:31] for ways to keep keep these projects
[48:34] rolling that provided a a community
[48:36] benefit and also met the urban renewal
[48:39] requirements.
[48:40] >> I know historically this park has been
[48:42] really heavily used. There's been a lot
[48:44] of multif family development kind of in
[48:47] that corridor with a proportion of park
[48:50] space kind of not keeping up with that
[48:51] until Atlas Park came along. So, um
[48:56] >> you know it
[48:58] >> gets its use.
[49:00] >> A side question. When is the pathway
[49:03] between Atlas and Mil Creek going to
[49:05] open up?
[49:07] >> I don't know that I can answer that.
[49:08] Adam might know that better.
[49:11] I'll have to get back to you on that. I
[49:13] know I've talked to I talked with Monty
[49:15] and well Monty, our previous trails
[49:17] coordinator, and Shane, who is our
[49:18] current trails coordinator. Uh, we've
[49:20] been talking about that. I know that
[49:22] that's in the work. I'm not sure if
[49:24] that's a Chris Meyer thing, which I
[49:26] think it is part of some of their
[49:28] improvements. So, um, if that covers
[49:31] that whole distance, uh, then that's
[49:33] that project is underway. Yeah. So, this
[49:37] would get us, I think, fully connected
[49:39] all the way out to Hutter, uh, which is
[49:41] kind of cool, especially with this
[49:43] getting redone. Then you've got kind of
[49:45] this continuous path to all of these
[49:47] parks and that whole system.
[49:48] >> Yeah, it's phenomenal.
[49:49] >> All the way into downtown, which is pretty rare, right? It's kind
[49:54] of a super and it's all for the most
[49:56] part all waterfront access, too, right?
[49:58] So,
[50:02] » okay. Okay. Very good. Any more
[50:04] questions? Thank you, Phil. Appreciate
[50:06] it.
[50:09] Okay. Um kind of wrapping up our agenda
[50:12] here tonight. Um
[50:15] give any of the commissioners last
[50:17] opportunity to make any comments.
[50:20] Okay. Then I'll make the last
[50:22] announcement. Then our next regular
[50:24] meeting will be Monday, October 19th,
[50:27] 5:30 p.m. right here in the library
[50:29] community room. And with that, I'll
[50:31] entertain a motion for adjournment.
[50:34] >> Second.
[50:36] So moved. Okay. [laughter]
[50:37] >> Now the second.
[50:39] >> Okay. Motion's been made by Commissioner
[50:41] Hill and seconded by Commissioner
[50:42] Toddost. All in favor of German.
[50:45] >> I.
[50:46] >> Thank you everybody.
[50:48] >> Thank you.
[50:48] >> Have a good week.