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the meeting to order we have uh it's

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pm agaw committee for the

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bza um members present is commissioner

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Dennis hunt commissioner Joseph Hodge

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and myself commissioner Laura

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Nettles um

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have y'all uh had a chance to look make

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a motion to approve the agenda okay now

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second first and second all those in

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favor I I I um any public

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comments no public comments at this

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time okay um to approve and modify

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previous minutes the previous minutes

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have y'all had a chance to look at

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that

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so these are what you submitted right

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okay

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yes okay on January 26th I submitted

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these okay I'll make a motion that we

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accept those second to approve the

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minuts all those in favor I

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approved now on to business um in our

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last meeting uh we all agreed to um

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request the last 15 years from the

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meetings and we have those here current

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correction we ask

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for full legislative body there you go

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that's not the bza not the bza meeting

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the full legislative body meeting for J each January right correct for the

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last 15 years and uh commissioner hunt

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put in that request and we have those

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here and we're going to be taking a look

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at those this evening

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to

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review all right the these are the

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minutes provided by the

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clerk is that right yes that's right

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my intent for requesting these the

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motion that I made to request is is

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committee assignments nominations and uh

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approvals for committees are

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made in January uh right especially the

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subject committee the board of zoning

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appeals so I felt like if we go back

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through the last at least last 15 years

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we may find we have to dig deeper to be

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honest with you but right now maybe

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we'll find what happened that uh

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precipitated

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this

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uh

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erroneous member

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term exploration that we're faced with

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right now because we got three

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who own by record say that their term

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expired this year so okay anyway I think

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if we take these one month at a

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time uh looks like the oldest one we

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ought to start with the newest one and

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go backwards is my

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opinion so you think we are not start

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2009 or go back to the very we need to

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start with the newest okay and go

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backwards is my opinion I think we'll

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find the

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discrepancy a long way hopefully

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and when we when we are reviewing these

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mhm if you notice uh I think I'm looking

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in my foldo to see if I have that

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committee list yeah I've got mine

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committee list I got it right here too

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uh we don't have the January 24 minutes

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those probably weren't necessary not

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necessary because the bza was not dealt

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with in Jan January

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24th I got

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you all right

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I want I want to take a second okay to

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the the board of zoning

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appeals right now the members are

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myself commissioner Dennis hunt Tim

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Duke Kevin sop Sammy Morton

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JR are all full bza board the board

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members have

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debellis is the an associate member and

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as our as our zoning

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resolution

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requires Dennis

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hunt represents the Planning

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Commission on the board of zoning

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appeals Tim Morris

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represents the full legislative

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body Samy Morton Jr

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represents the full-time farmer those

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are the only three positions that must

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be that you must have one member from

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the Planning Commission you must have

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one member from the full legislative

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body a commissioner and you must have

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one full-time farmer the other two can

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be normal people the way I like to put

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it right right and we and we do have an

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associate member and Helen debellis

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fills that position in in the event that

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any one of those five members do not uh

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show up for a meeting the associate

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member can uh participate and vote as a

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full member does uh and as an example of

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the importance of associate member our

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very last Board of zoning appeals

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meeting only two full members showed up

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plus Miss de Bellis the associate member

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so those three individual did make up a

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quorum where we could go ahead and uh

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and conduct business okay all right now

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having said that TCA

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requires any any commission board or

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committee by TCA requirements says a

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member must be a commissioner a member

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of the full legislative body or if our

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if we have a resolution that

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requires a member of a committee must be

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a full legislative body or

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commissioner if you if those if that is

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a requirement for any board commission

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committee during an election cycle if a

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member of the board commissioner

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committee does not run or is not

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successful when being reelected any of

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the committees or boards or commissions

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that they serve on that requires that

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membership to be a commissioner that

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seat is automatically vacant at that

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point in time so but these members here

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according to what this says are the bza

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is appointed by the Planning

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Commission or does that mean the

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commission the the clb the clb so who

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appoints them the full legislative body okay so by

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nomination from the floor okay that is

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that that one is not by the mayor

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Planning Commission members is an

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appointment by the mayor of the County

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uh conf confirmed by the full

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legislative okay the board of zoning

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appeals is uh they're trying to take

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politics out of this is the most this is

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the most uh well I've explained it so

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many times the board of zoning appeals

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makes binding decisions right only a

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court canot return their R only a court

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can the uh decisions can be overturned

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okay so well I was just trying to

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clarify the commission here appointed by

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the commission that means the clb yes

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the entire legislative body the full

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legisl commiss all right okay now I'm getting somewhere with all of this

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uh I'm leading up to Tim

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when commissioner Bobby Bryan uh failed

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to be reelected in this last election

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cycle he was a member of the board of

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zoning appeals so his seat automatically

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became vacant and we nominated Tim

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Morris as commissioner because Bobby

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Bryan represented the member uh

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requirement of the full legislative body

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so commissioner Tim

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Morris was nominated and

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approved uh should be January 23 minutes

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I think you'll find that that's when

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that took place all right so having said

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that this is one of these things we have

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to determine when did commissioner

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Brian get nominated and approved for the

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board of zoning appeals when would his

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term have normally his fiveyear term

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normally expired right commissioner

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Morris is only going to uh finish the uh

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term Bobby had started so see those are some of the things that we got

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to look at that's how I think a lot of

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this got messed up and if you note it

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says Tim Moore's term expires in the

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year 2030 yeah he serves to Long uh

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that's that's I don't know how that

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happened I have no idea how that

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happened but uh we've got to figure all

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this out so okay I think we need to

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everybody's uh looking at January 23 I'm

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hoping we can see

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the has anybody seen the bza yes on the

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second page bottom uh second page at the

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bot yeah hunt nominated Tim Morris yeah

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as commissioner appointment and hen Bell

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associate as the associate all right I

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I'm starting notes I'm hoping y'all are

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too yeah January of

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23 Tim Morris was appointed

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to uh fulfill the term of former

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commissioner Bobby

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Bryan so we need to make that

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note hey he's to feel the remainder of

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Bobby Bryan's

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term so to figure that out we'd have to

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find out when Bobby Bryant was a we'll

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run across it as we go backwards that's

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hoping that is definitely what I'm

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hoping and I sort of think that's how we

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uh like you know you would think logic

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might have somebody automatically put

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five years on Tim mors right then yeah

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2028 is what it should have been if you

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were using that logic but that would not

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be correct right he just we all agree on

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that right all right so

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now okay so that appointment would be to

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fulfill and it wouldn't just be starting

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new that's correct it would just be

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that's correct finishing out to fill the

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remainder

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sure it

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would to fulfill the remainder of the

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seat vacated by commissioner

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Brian well that get real confusing if it would seem like at the election I

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mean I I don't know all of the

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guidelines for appointing those but it

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would seem like if the commissioner was

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not reelected and you appointed a new

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commissioner they would assume a

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five-year

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St no okay that's not the statute reachs

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you would uh it's to fulfill the

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remaining term of the vacated seat if

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you didn't that's that's what gets you

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in a mess we have to we must have one

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member term expiring each calendar year

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one yeah can't have two can't have three

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that's TCA and our own zoning resolution

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so that's why okay you can't have

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somebody starting a fiveyear term when

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they're actually finishing up somebody

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else's fiveyear term had only got one

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year left after two or something that's

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what I think we're going to find is

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created this problem well another

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problem is if you've got Commissioners

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that are going four years and they this

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is a five-year term you're going to

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always have this problem that's not

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always well you're going to most of the

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time you're going to have the same

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problem not always because then you're

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going to have to elect someone to

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fulfill a one-year stand here's the key

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word

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reappointment so many people get

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reappointed and that's why I think

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that the the commissioner

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term like let's say I've got three years

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left as a commissioner I'm on the

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bza I'm not a commissioner after the

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next election

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cycle I can be moved to uh if if I'm the

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commissioner representing the Comm I'm

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not I'm representing the Planning

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Commission I don't have to

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be a commissioner to be on the Planning

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so when I'm no longer a

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commissioner the full legislative body

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may say well let's appoint Dennis in the

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position from the Planning Commission if

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I was the one doing the commission it

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gets complicated well that's what I'm

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trying to say I don't think I don't

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think you're going to have this problem

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every single election CLE well but it's

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set up to be problems I mean the the

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pattern is going to be a problem and

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what I'd like to see where's the where's

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the TCA for this uh tennessy code

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annotated where is that for this or does

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this I gave you a copy was that the last

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time meeting okay all right I have a

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copy of those if you need it well that

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would be something that we need to look

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at uh I know we need to find certain

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people and but this whole thing of

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fiveyear term when you especially when

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you've got commit commers CU that's

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going to that's just going to be a

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problem because you got Commissioners

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just four years at best you're going to

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have them serving only four of the

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fiveyear term then you're going to have

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to apply another guy for onee term and

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then another guy after that I mean it's going to be a mess it just looks

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like the pattern is a

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[Laughter]

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mess I'm just in prevent of

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Maintenance I think that's TCA okay this

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is the okay this is the TCA okay we

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should be back uh I'm on 2022 minut

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right now trying to figure out all right

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let's see 2022 Let's see we can go back

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and find all this then come back and

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look at this other later but I I was

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just really interested in going back and

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yeah comparing that yeah right now we

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need to figure out how we're going to

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fix this with the rules as they are

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we're not here to change the rules we

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here to comply with the rules okay yeah

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absolutely so go back to

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22 here's I found Planning Commission

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okay what page the about the third page no it's more than that I'm in

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22 okay one two three four the fifth

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page second paragraph down right is

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uh that's

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AG wait a

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minute I might be on the fourth page

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I've done lost

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it

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there's I was just looking at Planning

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Commission

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lot of minut on now it is m i see the

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strategic planning that's what made that

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might have caught my eye no here it is

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I've got it right here motion made by or

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executed by def4 to reappoint Steve

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Cunningham to the Coffee County Planning

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Commission the motion was approve 18

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yes one two

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three four five six the six page which

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is one page from the last I think no

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actually this thirdd page from the

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back that's the Planning Commission

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right generally speaking we would deal

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with the

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bza right around the time we're dealing

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with the Planning Commission

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appointments but I don't see bza at

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all

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see it would be a very small paragraph

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just like that

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one

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probably should have asked her to give

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us a copy of the

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agenda because the agenda would say

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uh what order it came in uh what members

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what committee appointments were to be

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made I don't see just

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purchasing beer

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board railroads and bridges capital

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outlay r solid

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w c solid was planning regional

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board investment

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committee who's till stubberfield who's

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till in stubberfield is that Tim that's

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Tim's daddy that's Tim's Dad okay yeah

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okay good EMA

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board

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ethics

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AED veterans representative County

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Corner industrial

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board Planning

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Commission strategic

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planning yeah uh I'm I've done went

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through all the committee appointments

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MH yeah I didn't see it personally I did

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not see

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it22 would y'all agree that in 2022

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there was no appointments to the bza

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made yes there's no record of

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that see there there's one hiccup right

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there right there should have been there

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should have been

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one or just where it came for approval

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of the full commission do what now or

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just where it came to approval for the

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full commission it should have been

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there for approval by the full

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commission somebody should have come

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off and either reappoint or replace one

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or the

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other so

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uh

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okay and I wish these were numbered so

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we make sure we didn't miss a page

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anywhere because these Pages aren't

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numbered so we don't know if we missed a

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page but that's

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okay okay now

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21

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that was me I'm sorry I'm glad you're

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did that because I haven't muted

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mine all right in

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21 appr this is a short

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meeting I's see right here on second

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page I see motion B by Cunningham and

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second and by or to appoint Randy Harold

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to the

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planning replacing Chris

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Anderson who

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term third P second page second page

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Dear Boy Road second 911 plan commission

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I remember when that happened

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EMA see that's Planning Commission yeah

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Planning Commission um V so his Chris

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Anderson's term expir so I would thought

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it would have been right around there

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well it appears

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there was no

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bza in 21 if you looked at the following

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February of each of those years and

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maybe it was overlooked or couldn't be

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done or wasn't brought and would have

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been approved in a in a later one could

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that have happened I just don't think

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that's going to be found but we're

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sitting in a year where this is like

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this we didn't make a Planning

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Commission

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appointment or confirmation nor did we

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make a bza appointment or confirmation

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in January of

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24 but it's always been done in January

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prior to

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that so there's

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two consecutive years and see if y'all

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remember in

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20

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three when I nominated Tim Morris

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Claud Morris nominated Helen

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debellis and I made my little

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speech saying guys this feels just a

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little bit different because the board

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of zoning appeals is totally controlled

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by the legislative body doesn't come

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from

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the the mayor's office right

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and that in itself is probably what has

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created this issue is because

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we we have not done due diligence as a

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legislative body to address the bza

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every year we just wait for somebody to

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throw a packet in front of us and we

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deal with what's laid in front of us

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when it's our

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responsibility as a full legislative

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body to appoint and approve the board of

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zoning appeal

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membership and I think we've done found

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two problems already yeah two years in a

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row it wasn't addressed at least not in

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January

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yeah

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so if you go to the second page on

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2020 I think number go down to the about

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the six or six yeah there was a motion

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made by Miller and second by ort to

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reappoint Dennis hunt and Bobby Bryan to

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the bza

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okay that whose terms expire in 2020 so

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they're just going to reappoint y'all

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because y'all both of y'all's terms it

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says was going to expire in 2020 how was

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how would both of y'all's expired in

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2020 like I said but that fits with but

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that fits with the latest list where

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you're

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2025 if you're going to go for a 5year

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period And if they're appointing you in

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2020 that makes sense yeah somebody

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wrote that down right right didn't

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M so is that on the second page it's on

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the second page uhuh about let's see one

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two three four five six will paragraph

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down small paragraph yeah okay I'm going

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try start by that Mark

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that all right so January of

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2020 you were reappointed that's why

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yours is correct

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2025

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so if Bobby was reappointed in 2020 then

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that means Tim Morris would have to go

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by the

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2020 until we figure out why there was

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two expiring in 20 20 20 that's right but yeah but you see that's when

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Bobby was reappointed too 2020 so you

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are Tim's feeling that you're correct

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but this ain't

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yeah yeah

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but each everyone except the associate

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member is supposed well even the

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associate member is supposed to roll off

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one is supposed to roll off every year

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once a year mm so yeah but even even

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with there's six on there the Associates

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on there so if everyone if one rolls off

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every five years then see that's messed

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up too because you've got six on the

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board yeah the the associate member is

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the way I felt like everybody has

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approached it is just a floating

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member that's the only time I can

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remember when uh when um Miss dellis

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actually got to vote on business that's

519
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the only time I remember an associate

520
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member doing that but I'm sure it's

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happened I was associate member when I

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first got a

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appointed it would be nice if we could

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find the

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local

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uh when this was established the

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bza because the information here is like

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it was initially established and how to

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start the initial board right so you got

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to remember that uh what we have to go

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by is our current zoning resolution

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which was revised in

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2006 but we were dealing with zoning

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prior to that I wasn't in government I

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can't attest to what was done or how

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they did it and I don't know that we'd

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be able to go back that far but I'm

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assuming that little sentence right

539
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there happened prior to 2006 yeah that

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was like I said that was a sentence

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termin with those terminology of that

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00:30:52,679 --> 00:30:55,080
description there would fit an initial

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beginning of the board

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probably I can't I can't argue with that

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00:31:01,679 --> 00:31:04,559
I'd say you're right it says but here's

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our zoning resolution it

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says the board of zoning appeal shall

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consist of five members appointed by the

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Coffee County Commission the board

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members shall be appointed to fiveyear

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terms however the initial appointments

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shall be arranged so that one member

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will expire

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each year okay that's if we would start

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from scratch with this language you'd

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have okay number one you're going to

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have a one-year term number two you're

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going to have a two-year term number

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00:31:38,639 --> 00:31:39,559
three you're going to have a three-year

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ter number four you're going to have

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four number five you're going to have

562
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,159
five that's how it would have been

563
00:31:44,159 --> 00:31:47,880
handled initially by this language I'm

564
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,960
going to say that language that we're

565
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,120
looking at on that uh committee

566
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,600
membership list is probably language

567
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,880
that was done in 2004 2001 who knows

568
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,559
right what I do know is this is current

569
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:08,799
and the TCA rules uh that would it not

570
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:12,080
have been applied at that designation

571
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,519
there when that was accepted that they

572
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:17,080
have not reassigned all the people to

573
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,600
this board you would

574
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,840
think you and I weren't there okay we

575
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,360
don't know okay I just I was just asking

576
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,760
if anybody knew so yeah okay

577
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,039
but we did find out in 2020 that you and

578
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:33,320
Bobby Bryant were reappointed for

579
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,159
fiveyear terms in 20120 yeah you know

580
00:32:37,159 --> 00:32:38,960
after we figured this

581
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,799
out uh

582
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:46,760
TCA says we have to have have to have

583
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,600
three or five can't have four can't have

584
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,320
two can't have six it must be three or

585
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,639
five now if you're

586
00:32:57,639 --> 00:33:00,840
I'm reading this handout this the the

587
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,279
county legislative body shall be the

588
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:07,039
appointing power of the members

589
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:10,679
okay of such board appeals and may fix

590
00:33:10,679 --> 00:33:11,559
their

591
00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:15,480
compensation and their terms which terms

592
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,880
shall be of such length and so arranged

593
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,760
that the term of one member will expire

594
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,720
each year we have the latitude if you

595
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,279
will to change the this 5year

596
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:33,639
term uh that's in our zoning resolution

597
00:33:33,639 --> 00:33:36,240
that's our language

598
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,440
uh TCA says we can fix the term we can

599
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,240
make it 10year ter we could make it any

600
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,360
but we got to fix it where one member

601
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,159
expires each year all right you got to

602
00:33:47,159 --> 00:33:50,600
have a roll off yeah so okay well we can

603
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,519
get to that point yeah we have to

604
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:54,080
understand where we got to where we are

605
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,519
now we got to make it fair we can't just

606
00:33:56,519 --> 00:33:58,399
I don't think we can just go wipe out

607
00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:00,120
all the memberships and start from

608
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,919
scratch I mean uh these guys we've never

609
00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:06,000
our Planning Commission has a good track

610
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,720
record our uh who only makes

611
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:10,520
recommendations by the way they don't

612
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,679
make binding decisions this board makes

613
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:15,280
binding decisions we've never been

614
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,079
challenged uh it's it's really a tough

615
00:34:19,079 --> 00:34:21,520
job and we've done a pretty good I mean

616
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:22,520
well you wouldn't want to start from

617
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:23,639
scratch anyway because you lose your

618
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,760
brain trust and everybody that kind of

619
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,720
sees what goes through it

620
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:31,079
you're correct all right so I think we

621
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:33,440
need to move to

622
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,839
2019 okay go to the second page and

623
00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:38,839
about six down I

624
00:34:38,839 --> 00:34:42,359
see y want to read that section

625
00:34:42,359 --> 00:34:48,950
okay to reappoint Kevin

626
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,760
Cy L Duke there's all three of them the

627
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,879
three that expire this year there they

628
00:34:54,879 --> 00:34:56,919
are three that's that's what happened is

629
00:34:56,919 --> 00:34:58,400
that year they were all three appointed

630
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,320
mhm mhm so they were done and if they

631
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,200
were trying to fill three expiring

632
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,599
positions at that point they should have

633
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:05,119
said okay you're going to do one you're

634
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:06,119
going to do two and you're going to do

635
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:09,520
three right but they were theyo they

636
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,359
just put five years on every one of

637
00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:12,680
those okay so if they're being

638
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,200
reappointed then that means they were

639
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,440
already on there five years prior

640
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,280
correct uh reappointed that's what that

641
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,200
means I don't know about Sammy Morton JR

642
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,200
but I'm think Lyal Duke had been on

643
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,839
there prior to this

644
00:35:28,839 --> 00:35:33,359
date and I'm pretty sure Kevin sap had

645
00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:37,160
been on there prior to this

646
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,760
date uh I I don't

647
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,560
know if Sammy Morton was or not I just

648
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,160
don't remember I think I was already

649
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,480
there but I think I was I may have still

650
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,599
been an associate member for all I know

651
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:54,760
all right so well the way it's written

652
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,400
it would say that they're all were

653
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,000
already there because they it says they

654
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,920
all were reappointed that's a good point

655
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,079
so

656
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:06,079
reappoint because it list all three of

657
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,000
them yeah and and you and Bobby were

658
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,480
reappointed so that means y'all had been

659
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,200
on there probably since 2015 2015

660
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:20,950
so okay so all right reappointed

661
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,470
K S

662
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,680
Morton and El Duke and that works then

663
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,960
those four the 24 dates work yeah

664
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,640
because they were all reappointed in

665
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,160
2019 that's five years so

666
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,400
that's the math is right just not

667
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,200
the just not how they all went on just

668
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,560
not the process right we've got to

669
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,119
Anchor the

670
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:51,319
process okay well we're find

671
00:36:51,319 --> 00:36:53,720
clarification

672
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:57,079
there let's keep going all right digs a

673
00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:58,680
little

674
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,400
deeper

675
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,680
2018 you done found no not

676
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,720
yet been quicker than me well I was

677
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:08,040
scanning while y'all were talking a

678
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,790
little bit and I was like

679
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:18,240
okay British Beer board I wouldn't be

680
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,240
purchasing I wouldn't be surprised if we

681
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:25,589
don't see one coming off on

682
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:29,150
18

683
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,599
there's appointment to the Planning

684
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:47,309
Commission but I don't see the

685
00:37:47,319 --> 00:37:49,480
bza I don't see

686
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,760
it not not an 18 at

687
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,560
all yeah which that don't surprise me if

688
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,079
they were just reappointed in 19 all

689
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,040
three of them and they even talked about

690
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,520
a resolution to reone some things but I

691
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,190
don't see the bz egg bu it

692
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:16,150
on I think it looks as though it got

693
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,480
skipped I'm going to be willing to bet

694
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,839
we're going to find back in 2015

695
00:38:22,839 --> 00:38:25,520
probably let's

696
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,270
see

697
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,150
we're going to

698
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,359
find

699
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:48,510
that the problem goes beyond 15

700
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:55,520
years all right so we're back to 2017 is what I'm looking

701
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,990
at

702
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000
judicial

703
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,000
planed

704
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:17,910
communication

705
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,760
Industrials have appointment to the

706
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,430
Planning

707
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:35,470
Commission

708
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,960
we just haven't

709
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,560
been doing it have we don't look

710
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:55,390
like I just don't see

711
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:06,910
it

712
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:12,270
well y'all didn't say one 2017

713
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:19,030
no I did not

714
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:25,349
see 2016 we're moving on

715
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:35,349
here

716
00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:38,760
Capital outlay beer

717
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,680
board

718
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,240
purchasing County

719
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:48,589
Corner ra roads and

720
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:53,030
bridges

721
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,319
911 a

722
00:40:55,319 --> 00:40:58,160
ComEd

723
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,640
Service

724
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,640
Officer planning Carol Willis and Paul

725
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:10,309
Elum to Planning

726
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:12,920
Commission yeah and see those are

727
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,319
fouryear terms those are but nobody can

728
00:41:17,319 --> 00:41:20,400
find that in print I mean we're not

729
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,960
dealing with the Planning Commission I

730
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,800
just find that unusual but our Planning

731
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,480
Commission and I

732
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,079
uh well there's a there's an active

733
00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:31,599
search underway for definition and

734
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:33,359
responsibility of committees standing

735
00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:35,359
committees so that did I give you the

736
00:41:35,359 --> 00:41:37,440
one for Capital outlay did I give you

737
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,240
that copy yes okay thought you brought

738
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,040
that back into me

739
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:48,319
yeah the uh one discussion that somebody

740
00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:51,599
suggested that the fiveyear terms were

741
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:56,000
set up by by we made that decision prior

742
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,960
to us when I say we the cof county uh

743
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,440
commission to the bza needed politics

744
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,920
should not have any

745
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,319
political U overtones so that's why the

746
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:15,040
mayor does not appoint and fiveyear

747
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,319
terms uh goes beyond a four-year term

748
00:42:19,319 --> 00:42:22,480
of some legislative body members and the

749
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,160
mayor you know when you get right down

750
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,520
to it that the fiveyear term means that

751
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,680
goes beyond election cycles and that's

752
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,599
what somebody said I I would have not

753
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:33,119
thought of that but it sort of made

754
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:35,599
sense when they said

755
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:38,040
it all right

756
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,280
2016 have y'all seen a bza appointment

757
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:48,150
not yet I have

758
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,000
not well that was dealt with a lot in

759
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,349
that

760
00:42:54,359 --> 00:43:25,069
meeting but nothing busy

761
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:27,839
y yeah I don't see

762
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:29,920
it what's the

763
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,119
PBA PBA public building authority that

764
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:36,000
took care of

765
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,960
our conference center a zoning

766
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,040
resolution but there weren

767
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,839
any what anything there so nothing in

768
00:43:44,839 --> 00:43:50,470
the

769
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:55,069
2016 all right

770
00:43:55,079 --> 00:44:05,030
2015

771
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,990
there's

772
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,640
notaries

773
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:24,990
purchasing beer

774
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:54,950
board

775
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,920
for

776
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:02,510
rural roads and bridges agricultural

777
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,990
committee County Corner

778
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,880
Communications the adult orientation

779
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,349
board Remains the

780
00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:24,870
Same I've even heard of that one

781
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,880
lately appointments to the Planning

782
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:32,589
Commission but not

783
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:35,480
BCA this says

784
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,839
this it's interesting because we're

785
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:39,359
looking at all these committees and

786
00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:41,599
we're here to deal with one I know I

787
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:43,960
hate this that I have to keep bringing

788
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,200
but right here it says a motion made by

789
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,480
Brian seconded by Kelly to approve Chris

790
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,599
Anderson Lee Ducket and Allan Howard to

791
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:58,319
the Planning Commission and I thought we just saw where Chris Anderson

792
00:45:58,319 --> 00:46:01,240
was appointed just a few ones back we

793
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:03,040
did so he was going appointed to

794
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,880
something well it was the Planning

795
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,839
Commission was it then that was it yeah

796
00:46:06,839 --> 00:46:09,559
and uh we're not dealing with the

797
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:11,680
Planning Commission but that and and

798
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,400
that might end that might mean he was

799
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,680
appointed to fill uh the remaining days

800
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:22,390
of the term true

801
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,559
yeah I know seeing Allen Howard's name I

802
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:26,640
know

803
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,960
he uh resigned from the Planning

804
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,040
Commission at one point and I was

805
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,720
appointed to take his place

806
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:40,160
so there a interesting side

807
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,040
note I still don't see anything here I

808
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:53,549
don't see anything on bza you I do

809
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:55,800
not and these minutes were approv

810
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,640
approved in the following you know

811
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,640
commission meeting so yeah if something

812
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,480
was wrong someone would have caught it I

813
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:04,599
mean like it instead of the Planning

814
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:06,599
Commission it was the bza or something

815
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:08,400
you know some mistake like that it would

816
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,559
have been caught in a later should and

817
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:13,240
updated yeah yeah it should the then

818
00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:16,400
these would have been revised correct

819
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,040
I'm pretty sure she goes back oh

820
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,040
yeah and amends when required because

821
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,040
they're not official until they V voted

822
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,680
on the next meeting and and looking

823
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,359
through several of those today that they

824
00:47:30,359 --> 00:47:33,359
say revised so when they're yeah they've

825
00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:43,430
gone back and them they've revised them

826
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,839
so we're back for my time now says mayor

827
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:50,480
Pennington amended the agenda yall look

828
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,760
at

829
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,920
2014 okay

830
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:59,510
yeah so this was before four years

831
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,520
yeah my first that was the election year

832
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:11,430
I think I started in

833
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,079
15 that's that's not good man look at

834
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:15,960
how many how many years there now since

835
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,680
no one several years in in a row before

836
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,000
anything was

837
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:40,430
appointed beer board county corn

838
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,040
roads here's another known the planning

839
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,720
motion made to approve Allan Howard

840
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:49,200
replacing Austin Anderson and Steve

841
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,119
Cunningham replacing Forest frame to the

842
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:54,599
Planning

843
00:48:54,599 --> 00:49:00,270
Commission

844
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,760
Budget Finance oh here we

845
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,160
go Motion made by Brian and seconded by

846
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,000
Ducket for the following members to

847
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,359
remain the same on the board of zoning

848
00:49:14,359 --> 00:49:16,319
appeals

849
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:22,400
Connie Larry Gary cordale LEL Duke Kevin

850
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:32,990
sou Sam Morton and Bobby

851
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,960
bran that's one two three four five six

852
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,839
so it does not say who was the associate

853
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:45,400
and who which five was the full members

854
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,319
but I would like to point out Sam

855
00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:54,400
Morton the late Sam Morton that's be I

856
00:49:54,400 --> 00:50:00,440
think he passed away during his term and

857
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,960
Samy Morton JR was uh confirmed to

858
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,760
replace his father and I bet you that

859
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,760
will not be found in a January meeting

860
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:18,599
it would be found right uh during the the fiscal year sometime or the

861
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:19,680
calendar

862
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,430
year when Mr Morton passed

863
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,190
away

864
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,760
sometime in that 2014 maybe

865
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,280
year between that and 2015 maybe he did

866
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,880
had to be

867
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,079
yeah so we

868
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:42,920
know Lal Duke and Kevin thy who are

869
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,520
current members were there in

870
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,480
2014 we know they were there prior to

871
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,480
2014 because there it says the following

872
00:50:53,480 --> 00:51:02,549
members to remain the same

873
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:12,230
right

874
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:16,559
so now and and you want see we don't

875
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,920
really know why what they mean the

876
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,280
same so are they reappointed all at the

877
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,240
same time and now they all have fiveyear

878
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,559
terms that's good question question so

879
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:29,400
we don't know what they mean by that re

880
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,960
to remain the same well we don't know

881
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,559
how long they've been there we all know

882
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:36,960
they were there at that point I guess we

883
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,920
need to see the standing committee list

884
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,920
at that time

885
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,280
yeah that's not a standing

886
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,960
committee the board is zoning appeals is

887
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,040
not a standing committee okay it's still

888
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,040
on your list you're going to have

889
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,559
committee list okay right but a standing

890
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:57,799
committee is made up of full legislative

891
00:51:57,799 --> 00:52:01,040
body members only okay see in the

892
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:06,000
bza uh it only requires one it can have

893
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,680
it let's see I get planning and the bza

894
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,000
mixed up like the Planning Commission

895
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,319
can have as many full legislative bodies

896
00:52:15,319 --> 00:52:18,480
members as we approve as long as they

897
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,160
don't make up the

898
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,520
majority so of uh seven members there

899
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,599
can't be four four legislative body

900
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:28,760
members there can be

901
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,440
three all right the board of zoning

902
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,280
appeals says

903
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,480
one one must be must one and then

904
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,160
another must be from the Planning

905
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,400
Commission so forth so forth well I

906
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:48,200
noticed that in 2014 these were all made

907
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,839
you know members to remain the same yep

908
00:52:50,839 --> 00:52:52,040
but three of

909
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:57,200
those were re reappointed in 2019 and I

910
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,720
know it says it doesn't say junior on

911
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:02,440
Sammy Morton but it does say reappoint

912
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,520
Sammy Morton Jun and that's five years

913
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,119
from from 14 to 19 so those three were

914
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:10,599
in five years were reappointed those

915
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:13,160
three were and then Bobby was

916
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:17,200
reappointed the next year in 15 H and

917
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:24,150
then you were added in

918
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:31,430
15

919
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:54,150
bab

920
00:53:54,160 --> 00:54:07,950
burn

921
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,240
it doesn't look like they've got

922
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:13,000
somebody coming off every year do I it

923
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,079
just doesn't look like they've got

924
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:16,599
somebody coming off every year it look

925
00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:19,480
like I don't know we haven't run ACR we

926
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,480
have not run across one meeting in

927
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,559
January where they appointed one member

928
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:29,640
have we no no we've it's been multiple

929
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,480
members when they have been

930
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,640
reappointed so someone hasn't been

931
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:40,960
reading and exactly and remember we're supposed to be complying with our

932
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,200
own zoning resolution which was

933
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:50,000
uh what's that read 06 06 8 years prior

934
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,069
to this right

935
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:57,559
here all right on 13 on page two it's

936
00:54:57,559 --> 00:54:59,440
one two three

937
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:05,390
four five six

938
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:16,630
down Connie Larry Gary Cordell and Bobby

939
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:21,400
Bryan Ain that something you

940
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,920
have three members approved that year

941
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,520
yep those same three members were

942
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:53,990
approved the next year

943
00:55:54,000 --> 00:56:03,589
yep

944
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:07,160
this is co this is so convoluted at this

945
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,480
point we're just going to have who's the

946
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,240
oldest folks on the

947
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:15,799
commission and I mean suggest a you know

948
00:56:15,799 --> 00:56:17,640
here's where we need to start and start

949
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,720
with that

950
00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:22,039
description and then start this and make

951
00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:24,480
sure we do it every year from now on I

952
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,200
mean this is this is so convoluted how

953
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,480
are you going to figure all this check

954
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:28,680
it all

955
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,839
out because it hasn't been done right

956
00:56:32,839 --> 00:56:37,440
yet in in uh let's see we're 2014 yeah

957
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:44,230
11 years it hasn't been done right in 11

958
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:49,549
years this is embarrassing

959
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:53,520
folks well we can't dis we cannot take

960
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,799
responsibility for the

961
00:56:55,799 --> 00:56:59,000
mistakes that we can take responsibility

962
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,920
for correcting if we do it right if we

963
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,280
do it right and and it's like I said and

964
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,640
be fair yeah well it's like I said we

965
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,839
might I mean we could do a lottery put

966
00:57:08,839 --> 00:57:10,160
all their names in a hat and draw them

967
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,839
out and do it that way but I don't have

968
00:57:12,839 --> 00:57:15,039
any idea who has the most experience

969
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:17,160
we'd have to depend on you two for who

970
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:18,960
has the most experience and and try to

971
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,559
line it up and make sure we F fulfill

972
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:23,000
the other guidelines on

973
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:28,359
here all right here 2012 I've already

974
00:57:28,359 --> 00:57:32,480
found on approved L Duke and Kevin

975
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,920
S and it says Bobby Bryan as an

976
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,960
associate member and also Bobby Bryan is

977
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,319
an associate man it's the first time

978
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:41,680
we've seen that it is except for H and

979
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,640
deil so all

980
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,359
right now this is on the second page it

981
00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:48,760
is about the

982
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,760
seventh third paragraph

983
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,380
up okay it gotcha okay Kevin

984
00:57:55,380 --> 00:57:57,960
[Music]

985
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:09,630
S L

986
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:15,359
Duke and B associate and and you wonder if they

987
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:17,160
say oh we haven't done this so we need

988
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,839
to get this done and if they did approve

989
00:58:19,839 --> 00:58:21,760
it and they did set it up staggered but

990
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,200
they didn't record it that it was set up

991
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,920
staggered mhm we have to go back and

992
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,240
maybe look at like this sheet of the

993
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,359
committee and see if they staggered them

994
00:58:31,359 --> 00:58:32,559
at the time they were elected because

995
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:34,760
it's not indicated

996
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,480
here we're gonna have to have Miss

997
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,160
Teresa to give us some more reports

998
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,670
aren't

999
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,760
we yeah I think it just how deep do we

1000
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,160
want to dig they don't look like they've

1001
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,359
been doing it so it's just I thank you I

1002
00:58:50,359 --> 00:58:52,000
we might have to I don't see anybody

1003
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,799
following the guidelines of our own so

1004
00:58:53,799 --> 00:58:56,240
we may have to we we might just have to

1005
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,000
suggest something to the commission and

1006
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,440
let them vote on that or change it as

1007
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,670
that will we can

1008
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,559
take take the members that are

1009
00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:13,200
there and

1010
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:19,319
uh somebody's going to need to expire this

1011
00:59:19,319 --> 00:59:22,680
year basically and another name for next

1012
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,079
year another name for the following year

1013
00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:29,200
and we should make a uh the the our

1014
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:34,400
zoning resolution does not speak to the

1015
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,510
associate

1016
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,549
member

1017
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:46,160
so uh regarding the

1018
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,760
term

1019
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,950
um unless we want to make that

1020
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,160
clarification well there again that

1021
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,920
that'd be hard to do be hard to have six

1022
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,880
one coming off every year when they

1023
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:01,960
5year

1024
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,109
return

1025
01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:08,400
yeah all right we're in

1026
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,160
2011 well we're at least one thing we're

1027
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,200
going to figure out we're going to

1028
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,440
figure out who's been there the longest

1029
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:20,710
right right yes at least at least

1030
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,960
that and if the commission approves this

1031
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,079
then we're going to have have to send

1032
01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:28,559
letters to those people asking them to

1033
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:31,240
this is what we found and asking them

1034
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:34,480
would they agree to the new

1035
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,319
setup because some of them you know like

1036
01:00:37,319 --> 01:00:39,039
I

1037
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:43,359
said well I think everybody on that

1038
01:00:43,359 --> 01:00:48,400
board agrees that it's it's uh we have

1039
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,480
oversight the full legislative body has

1040
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,160
oversight on this and if if if the full

1041
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:59,640
legislative body votes and agrees on it

1042
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,680
um I don't I know all of them pretty

1043
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,640
good I don't think anybody on the border

1044
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,960
zoning Fields would have a problem with

1045
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:12,109
fixing a problem

1046
01:01:12,119 --> 01:01:15,079
no yeah let's let's do it by the book

1047
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:19,870
folks let's set it up and do

1048
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,440
it do you all see anything in

1049
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,280
11

1050
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,799
yeah hindes requested to include Board

1051
01:01:27,799 --> 01:01:30,200
of zoning appeals next

1052
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,000
January and the jail inspection

1053
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,599
committee should be

1054
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:36,799
presented by the law enforcement

1055
01:01:36,799 --> 01:01:40,160
committee that was it's like yes on the

1056
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:44,920
fourth H requested to include board it's

1057
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,039
like they

1058
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:49,640
never talked about board is owning

1059
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,640
appeals or they didn't no it's just they

1060
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,599
requested to include the board in Pony

1061
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:56,760
zil next January next January and the J

1062
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,400
we're not going to deal with it this J

1063
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,559
let's see if they dealt with it uh well

1064
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:02,039
they didn't do it in 212 because there

1065
01:02:02,039 --> 01:02:05,200
wasn't any report right well there was a

1066
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,319
12 yeah there was Kevin sou L Duke and

1067
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:11,950
Bobby Bryan associate

1068
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,920
member that's right all right so let

1069
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,680
this going to be interesting let's see

1070
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,870
what happened in

1071
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,359
2010 if

1072
01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:31,150
anything

1073
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,400
can Corner bear

1074
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,559
board R

1075
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:39,440
roads

1076
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:49,750
a service officers Planning

1077
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,480
Commission I'll read this motion made by

1078
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,520
offered and seconded by Hogan for the

1079
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,200
Planning Commission to remain the

1080
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:02,440
same they are Lee Ducket Austin Anderson

1081
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,680
Virgil alord Carol Willis Charles Harris

1082
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,279
Gary Cordell and Forest Frank see Carol

1083
01:03:09,279 --> 01:03:11,559
Willis that puts her is the oldest

1084
01:03:11,559 --> 01:03:17,160
member of our Planning Commission uh see

1085
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,359
that's how that's how it would get

1086
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:21,000
messed up right there when you just

1087
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:25,000
approve all of them to remain the same

1088
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,160
yeah

1089
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,319
well that in itself says and if they're

1090
01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:32,520
fiveyear terms or something then

1091
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,520
whoever's in the uh the mayor's office

1092
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,960
trying to compile committee list and

1093
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,319
term expiration dates they see this well

1094
01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:42,160
there's five years on every one of them

1095
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:47,670
you know it's

1096
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,520
uh but I don't see the board zoning

1097
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:55,960
appeal do you guys no not on here

1098
01:03:55,960 --> 01:04:01,880
n here on 2010 all right so in 2010

1099
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:08,510
no

1100
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:12,119
bza we're on our last one anyway

1101
01:04:12,119 --> 01:04:17,480
mhm for the 15 years yeah purchasing

1102
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:18,559
beer

1103
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:20,880
board they always dealt with the beard

1104
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:26,160
board I seem like every time C Corner

1105
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,680
Communications service

1106
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,640
officers Planning Commission they always

1107
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,440
vote on that Carol Willis was there then

1108
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,039
industrial

1109
01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:41,190
board

1110
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:47,029
Consolidated

1111
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:49,520
Equalization

1112
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,799
ad

1113
01:04:51,799 --> 01:04:56,190
EMA Duck River agent

1114
01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:00,319
see County Road list nothing no

1115
01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:04,039
bza it appears as though as

1116
01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:07,920
important and as powerful as the

1117
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,720
bza

1118
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,880
is it's sad that it received as little

1119
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:23,069
attention as it has yeah in years

1120
01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:40,349
past

1121
01:05:40,359 --> 01:05:43,640
um I'm sort of you know I wanted to

1122
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,160
bring all the details

1123
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,520
and the printed

1124
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,680
material to establish what we supposed

1125
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:59,200
to be doing and and what we do do and

1126
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,400
because I am a board of zoning appeals

1127
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,079
member I'm going to be reluctant in

1128
01:06:05,079 --> 01:06:06,400
trying to

1129
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,720
steer the solution in any direction or

1130
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:15,160
another so I'm I'm not going to uh I

1131
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,559
will support any reasonable solution I

1132
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:22,480
think you you two uh guys come up with

1133
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:28,789
but um

1134
01:06:28,799 --> 01:06:32,160
I like I said before I do feel like

1135
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,960
everybody that that I serve with on the

1136
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,200
board of zoning appeals will be

1137
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,160
perfectly okay with whatever the leg

1138
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,520
body they would probably like to be a

1139
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:52,990
part of the solution

1140
01:06:53,000 --> 01:07:07,990
yeah

1141
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,720
so it is it

1142
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:15,680
is totally foar at this point we are not

1143
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,440
well the oldest the oldest serving

1144
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:22,520
members by the records we have before us

1145
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:26,680
are Kevin S and L

1146
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:31,880
Duke those yeah we have uh corroborated

1147
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:33,480
their appointments

1148
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:37,520
2014 12 years ago right well they were

1149
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,160
yeah L Duke and Kevin Saturn 2012

1150
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:44,870
reappointed in 14 and in

1151
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:49,000
19 and uh Sammy Morton come on in 2014

1152
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,349
and

1153
01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:55,520
2019 and then 2015 junior or senior you

1154
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,160
got to differentiate Junior was was on

1155
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,599
in 219 that's what they well they have

1156
01:08:00,599 --> 01:08:02,480
Junior there I'd like to know is it

1157
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,279
junior or is it senior because in

1158
01:08:05,279 --> 01:08:08,559
19 uh no in 14 I'm pretty sure that

1159
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:11,079
would be senior yeah okay I'm pretty

1160
01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:12,559
sure of

1161
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:15,200
that well and the only reason I say that

1162
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:20,950
is because it says reappoint in

1163
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:26,080
19 uhuh uh Sam senior Sam senior passed

1164
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:30,799
away September 16th 2014 okay okay so

1165
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:33,799
they may have put Junior on in his what

1166
01:08:33,799 --> 01:08:36,279
date was that and 14 what date of month

1167
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:38,799
what month September September so he had

1168
01:08:38,799 --> 01:08:42,080
served he did four months Sam Morton

1169
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,400
senior passed away September September

1170
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:46,520
of

1171
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,239
2014 okay so that would be Samy Morton

1172
01:08:49,239 --> 01:08:53,839
Jr in 219 2019 thank you for that John

1173
01:08:53,839 --> 01:08:56,799
call so it would be junior in 2019 yes

1174
01:08:56,799 --> 01:08:59,279
yeah so this is going to be senior here

1175
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:00,319
in

1176
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:03,359
2014 I'm wondering if they didn't put

1177
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:10,189
Junior in that spot uh after he

1178
01:09:10,199 --> 01:09:12,239
passed and we can get in trouble for

1179
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:13,920
assuming but I would assume like I said

1180
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:19,080
when people read the minutes that they would correct things like that in

1181
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,000
the following yeah right and then we

1182
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,440
would see revised minutes I've been

1183
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:25,120
looking do a lot of this today the

1184
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:30,600
records and when they're revised it's mentioned in sh the revisions they

1185
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,229
do a good job in the clerk's

1186
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:41,829
office yeah Teresa goes over it pretty

1187
01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:44,600
good Dennis it says reappoint Dennis

1188
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,560
hunt and Bobby Bryan

1189
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,600
in I think I think you went on to 2015

1190
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:54,520
didn't you 20 2020 okay I would have

1191
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:59,080
thought I mean I yeah reappointed in 20

1192
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,440
so if he was REO I was there before 2020

1193
01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:03,360
so that's what I mean you might have

1194
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,159
went on in 15 if it was a five year you

1195
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:08,400
know what I

1196
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,280
mean but didn't say that here did it

1197
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:16,760
nope nothing in 2015 I I know good and

1198
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:20,560
well well you were reappointed in 2020

1199
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,280
right and that fits with the what the

1200
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,360
date is here on the presid list 25 to

1201
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,800
roll off so that fits and so you would

1202
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,199
have been originally maybe appointed

1203
01:10:28,199 --> 01:10:30,719
into 2015 that's what I was thinking

1204
01:10:30,719 --> 01:10:32,920
maybe you back that

1205
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,640
up so that that works out there but in

1206
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,960
the 2015 minutes there's no bza

1207
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:51,310
appointment whatsoever correct that we

1208
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:56,080
found yeah we only see in 23 and 20 and

1209
01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:02,440
19 and 14 and 13 and 12 and 11 anything

1210
01:11:02,440 --> 01:11:05,120
appointed to bza those are the only

1211
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:09,320
years so and most of those the last 15

1212
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,800
yeah and they said keep it the same and

1213
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,159
all that type of stuff so we don't know

1214
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:16,520
exactly what keep it the same meant

1215
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,520
maybe keep the same people but what did

1216
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,560
we do with their expiration

1217
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:35,669
term

1218
01:11:35,679 --> 01:11:39,840
and commissioner hin it appeared as

1219
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,080
though she picked up on it and said hey

1220
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,600
we need to put the board zoning appeals

1221
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,679
on next January that was what was in the

1222
01:11:48,679 --> 01:11:51,520
minutes right right

1223
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,120
mhm they saw that they had missed it

1224
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,590
there

1225
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:00,199
too I think we need to get this

1226
01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:04,040
addressed so our longest members are L

1227
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:05,560
duuk and Kevin

1228
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,950
sap

1229
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,880
correct that's what I'm and Tim and Tim

1230
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,600
Morris just went on in 2023 to replace

1231
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,400
Bobby bran

1232
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,760
yes and Brian was reappointed in

1233
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,520
2020 right so he would been rolling off

1234
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:24,199
in

1235
01:12:24,199 --> 01:12:27,000
2025 so I would think that Tim Morris

1236
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,800
needs to roll off in

1237
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,159
2025 correct and that maybe that's a

1238
01:12:31,159 --> 01:12:33,960
typo right yeah I'm I'm following you

1239
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,870
there

1240
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,440
yeah I think but Dennis would also come

1241
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:43,920
off in 2025 yeah so we've got to we got

1242
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,590
to fix that

1243
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,480
uh after I said I wasn't going to get

1244
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:52,840
involved I was thinking but I'll let

1245
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:54,159
y'all keep

1246
01:12:54,159 --> 01:12:57,480
talk well

1247
01:12:57,480 --> 01:13:02,000
um so which 2025 is just so this year

1248
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:03,760
somebody needs to come off this this

1249
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,199
year I mean they can get reappointed but

1250
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:06,840
somebody does need to and that would I

1251
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:12,430
would think that would need to be L

1252
01:13:12,440 --> 01:13:16,159
Kevin or even Sammy Junior if you got

1253
01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:18,719
all six names yeah I have them in my

1254
01:13:18,719 --> 01:13:21,600
head but okay I was thinking arrange all

1255
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:25,440
six names in what we know is the

1256
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:28,120
longevity of their membership of that

1257
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:32,100
bza which uh Helen was brought on in

1258
01:13:32,100 --> 01:13:33,440
[Music]

1259
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:35,320
20123

1260
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:39,400
so little du K the other definition by

1261
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,080
who has to be on

1262
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,320
that correct because we just you just

1263
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,440
need one commission member one must be

1264
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:51,280
from the full legislative body right

1265
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:55,080
another is the word another shall be

1266
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,280
from the Planning Commission okay so

1267
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,360
that's a must shall be is a must and one

1268
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:06,510
should be a full-time farmer okay

1269
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:11,760
yeah so actually the two oldest

1270
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,480
members

1271
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:22,270
are not of those three

1272
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,600
categories

1273
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,960
and then we need a a

1274
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,800
farmer now what is your definition of

1275
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,360
farmer we had a long discussion about

1276
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:37,600
that okay because I felt like a

1277
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,040
full-time farmer means that's all his

1278
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:45,639
entire livelihood is made from

1279
01:14:45,639 --> 01:14:47,840
Agriculture and

1280
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,679
uh I didn't think we had anybody on

1281
01:14:50,679 --> 01:14:54,400
there that fit that description

1282
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,000
and there was a lot of push back on it

1283
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,040
so I dropped the subject what uh what

1284
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:04,120
does our state recognized as a we

1285
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,920
couldn't find it they Define agriculture

1286
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,199
and they Define farming and all that but

1287
01:15:10,199 --> 01:15:15,830
a farmer we couldn't really find it

1288
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:19,239
okay there somebody that is working some

1289
01:15:19,239 --> 01:15:21,760
percentage of the

1290
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,480
ground whether they work another job at

1291
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:27,679
midnight and I tell you I know lots of

1292
01:15:27,679 --> 01:15:30,440
individuals that that's all they do

1293
01:15:30,440 --> 01:15:32,199
that's all they've ever done they get up

1294
01:15:32,199 --> 01:15:34,920
every morning put on them overalls and

1295
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,320
they're plowing or feeding cows or doing

1296
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:38,880
something you know what I'm

1297
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:43,320
saying yes sir well it looks like um you

1298
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,440
and Tim are scheduled to come off in

1299
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:47,320
2025 and

1300
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:50,560
LOL Kevin and Sammy they they got

1301
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,800
reappointed in 2019 their schedule time

1302
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,120
is 24 which one of them needs and then

1303
01:15:56,120 --> 01:16:00,709
Helen was put on in 23 so hers is

1304
01:16:00,719 --> 01:16:05,550
2028

1305
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:11,550
but we're gonna have

1306
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:16,920
to and I tell you what we can we can uh

1307
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,280
we can

1308
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,120
suggest

1309
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:25,560
a an amendment to our zoning

1310
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:30,400
resolution uh we the full the okay and

1311
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,960
this how this process works if we amend

1312
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,880
the zoning resolution and when I say

1313
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:40,400
that I'm I'm thinking uh

1314
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,639
this six members we actually have six

1315
01:16:43,639 --> 01:16:46,000
people on the

1316
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:51,080
bza and if we have fiveyear terms and

1317
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:54,120
one comes off every year that don't work

1318
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:59,199
we could uh suggest

1319
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:03,639
a one uh six-year term you could do that

1320
01:17:03,639 --> 01:17:06,639
got six members one has to come off one

1321
01:17:06,639 --> 01:17:11,080
term has to expire every year we could

1322
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:16,480
suggest to the uh we this ad hoc

1323
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:19,760
committee would have to first suggest an

1324
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,080
amendment to the zoning resolution to

1325
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,199
the planning committee

1326
01:17:24,199 --> 01:17:27,239
the Planning Commission has to make a

1327
01:17:27,239 --> 01:17:29,760
recommendation to the full legislative

1328
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:34,040
body for any text whatsoever to be

1329
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:37,600
changed in our zoning

1330
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,800
resolution so approve a legislative

1331
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,400
committee then the full legislative body

1332
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,080
takes the recommendation of the Planning

1333
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,719
Commission and either approves or

1334
01:17:48,719 --> 01:17:51,120
rejects and if we approve it then the

1335
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,440
language in zoning resolution would wind

1336
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:55,719
up being what this ad hoc committee

1337
01:17:55,719 --> 01:18:00,080
decided fixes the problem if you guys

1338
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,679
think we need to do that my I like that

1339
01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:07,040
but what I'm thinking if we're trying to

1340
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:10,800
keep it neutral and objective and not

1341
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,120
any political uh overtones to it why

1342
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,040
don't you make it every three

1343
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,000
years then you're rotating uh

1344
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,280
Commissioners and things like that uh

1345
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:23,760
well then but it it keeps from that it

1346
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,719
keeps from having five or six members

1347
01:18:25,719 --> 01:18:27,760
and and having to carry over and make up

1348
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,320
and if you had them every three years

1349
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,000
that rollover would take care of that

1350
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,560
problem it would be a solution in itself

1351
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,560
but you have six members and terms

1352
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,679
expire in three years because you you've

1353
01:18:40,679 --> 01:18:42,120
got two people at least two people

1354
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,280
rolling off every time we saw this you

1355
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:45,880
had two people rolling off or being

1356
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:47,840
reapproved oh so you're saying two

1357
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,040
should come off every year every three

1358
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,280
years yeah you you you put everybody on

1359
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:56,400
there for three years years and every and every year two would roll

1360
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,840
off oh every year two that's not going

1361
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,360
to work okay TCA see that goes contrary

1362
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:07,040
to TCA TCA plainly says one member's

1363
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:11,440
term shall expire each year okay so we

1364
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:14,880
would have to keep it at five address

1365
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,560
the floating associate member address it

1366
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:22,520
separately or go to six-year terms and

1367
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,400
count the associate just like we would a

1368
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,480
full member that's what I cuz we set the

1369
01:19:27,480 --> 01:19:32,440
terms TCA says one member comes off or

1370
01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:36,719
expires right everybody we

1371
01:19:36,719 --> 01:19:41,320
atast every year yeah one Member One

1372
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,880
member's term shall expire each year and

1373
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,719
six years would would take care of the

1374
01:19:46,719 --> 01:19:51,830
associate also if we wanted to do that

1375
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,639
yeah

1376
01:19:54,639 --> 01:19:57,800
I wish this ad hoc committee had had

1377
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:02,000
been assigned to to figure out

1378
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,000
the terms of our Planning Commission

1379
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,960
members but we were not so I'm not going

1380
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,760
to say we need to address that this is problem at this point now that

1381
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,960
we have delved into this and have all

1382
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:17,480
this information in front of us because

1383
01:20:17,480 --> 01:20:20,679
uh I don't see it in print

1384
01:20:20,679 --> 01:20:23,639
anywhere in our zoning res solution I

1385
01:20:23,639 --> 01:20:25,639
could not find it and others have not

1386
01:20:25,639 --> 01:20:28,560
either what the term length and TCA

1387
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,280
doesn't full legislative body controls

1388
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,480
term

1389
01:20:33,480 --> 01:20:36,600
length if we keep the present members

1390
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,080
that are on there and just reassign the

1391
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,639
term ending would seem to be the most

1392
01:20:42,639 --> 01:20:45,000
simple thing to do that's kind of what I

1393
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,800
had wrote down right here if we could

1394
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,840
keep the current members and then

1395
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,199
reassign years that they need to come

1396
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:54,000
off correct and then from there

1397
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,520
forward well then next January we would

1398
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,679
reappoint the person rolling off right

1399
01:20:59,679 --> 01:21:02,719
so 2024 even though I know January has

1400
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:04,639
passed but somebody needs to come off

1401
01:21:04,639 --> 01:21:06,639
this year and be reappointed this year I

1402
01:21:06,639 --> 01:21:10,400
think correct it has to 24 so and I had

1403
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,639
put LOL just as a name because he was

1404
01:21:12,639 --> 01:21:15,000
been the longest running uh but so his

1405
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,880
site so I put him as 25 and Sammy is 26

1406
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,639
you is 27 more is 20 you know just as an

1407
01:21:20,639 --> 01:21:23,080
example but give everybody a roll off

1408
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:26,560
year one person comes off a

1409
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:30,400
year that that is my opinion is the most

1410
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:35,280
logical Choice arrange them in uh

1411
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,679
chronological order who's been there the

1412
01:21:37,679 --> 01:21:41,080
longest and they get the first ending

1413
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:44,960
term right which is 2024 somebody's term

1414
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:48,600
should be assigned to 2024 okay and that

1415
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,159
keeps your that keeps your brain trust

1416
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:51,639
people that have the experience right

1417
01:21:51,639 --> 01:21:54,440
correct yeah now do we do we fulfill the

1418
01:21:54,440 --> 01:21:56,560
other descriptions we got one

1419
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,040
commissioner one planning committee

1420
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,840
member and planning committee member and

1421
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:01,719
one

1422
01:22:01,719 --> 01:22:04,280
farmer do we still have that on yeah we

1423
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:06,080
do because everybody's going to be the

1424
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,960
same and if LOL is okay with staying on

1425
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:11,960
I don't care that you know I'm to re

1426
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,159
reappoint if that's what he wants to do

1427
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:18,040
you know well that's going to be the the

1428
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:19,960
like I said the full legislative body

1429
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,120
points somebody has to nominate from the

1430
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:26,080
okay and so to help people in the future

1431
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,360
we can indicate by their name what

1432
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:30,760
position they fulfill commissioner or a

1433
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,000
farmer or Planning Commission we can do

1434
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,040
that by their name should be

1435
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:37,920
commissioner yeah I've always made it so

1436
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:42,239
that's very public that uh who is what

1437
01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:45,360
well it wasn't indicated here no it was

1438
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,239
our farmer who is our farmer Sammy

1439
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:51,560
Morton JR is who

1440
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:53,239
consider

1441
01:22:53,239 --> 01:22:56,719
and uh Tim he works for the city

1442
01:22:56,719 --> 01:22:59,639
Manchester City Fire Department uh not

1443
01:22:59,639 --> 01:23:02,199
anymore he left there that's why I know

1444
01:23:02,199 --> 01:23:04,560
that I know that I was getting to that

1445
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,880
okay sorry I was getting to that that's

1446
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:08,760
what I sort of had a problem with the

1447
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:10,600
designation of full-time farmer when

1448
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,600
you're pulling down a pretty good chat

1449
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,840
cross the city I see you know but Sammy

1450
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:20,280
does Farm uh and he he did tell me a few

1451
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:21,719
months ago he said I'm going to be

1452
01:23:21,719 --> 01:23:24,120
retired so I will be a full-time farmer

1453
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:25,639
so but we're just trying to get this

1454
01:23:25,639 --> 01:23:27,840
reestablished and then the commiss if we

1455
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:29,239
indicate that on that list then the

1456
01:23:29,239 --> 01:23:31,880
Commissioners whoever's rep okay we need

1457
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,639
a farmer this year or we need a see the

1458
01:23:34,639 --> 01:23:36,320
commissioner is Morris and what was the

1459
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:38,840
other one we had to have the what now a

1460
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,120
planning a plan Planning Commission one

1461
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,480
member which is you Dennis wait a minute

1462
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:46,520
let me read this out loud let's read

1463
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,239
that back

1464
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:53,239
yeah from our zoning resolution there's

1465
01:23:53,239 --> 01:23:54,640
my glasses I'm

1466
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,520
[Laughter]

1467
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:01,629
looking

1468
01:24:01,639 --> 01:24:04,520
okay powers of the

1469
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:08,719
board the Coffee County Board this is

1470
01:24:08,719 --> 01:24:11,629
section

1471
01:24:11,639 --> 01:24:14,320
10.70 Coffee County Board of zoning

1472
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:18,320
appeals this is the paragraph from our

1473
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,639
zoning resolution not TCA the Coffee

1474
01:24:21,639 --> 01:24:23,679
County Board is owning appeals is hereby

1475
01:24:23,679 --> 01:24:26,480
established in accordance with

1476
01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:30,840
13-7 d106 through 13-7

1477
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,960
109 of the Tennessee code annotated the

1478
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,600
board of zoning appeal shall consist of

1479
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:40,040
five members appointed by the Coffee

1480
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:43,159
County Commission period the board

1481
01:24:43,159 --> 01:24:46,080
members shall be appointed to fiveyear

1482
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:49,080
terms however the initial appointment

1483
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:51,639
shall be arranged so that the term of

1484
01:24:51,639 --> 01:24:55,360
one member will expire each year period

1485
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,760
And I will say what we had just

1486
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,679
discussed and suggested does exactly

1487
01:25:00,679 --> 01:25:04,080
that okay okay now the last the next

1488
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,400
sentence in that paragraph one member of

1489
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:11,440
this board shall be a CO County

1490
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:14,440
Commissioner another a member of the

1491
01:25:14,440 --> 01:25:18,159
Planning Commission period one member of

1492
01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:21,880
the board should be a full-time farmer

1493
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,880
should sort of is like a wiggle word but

1494
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:28,239
it is derived from sh so we do your best

1495
01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:30,920
to do that but if you can't then yeah I

1496
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:35,480
think I think I think that signifies

1497
01:25:35,480 --> 01:25:38,760
shall so and we have we have that

1498
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:42,600
established we have uh kept it that way

1499
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,320
and

1500
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:48,800
so that way when I'm at the Planning

1501
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,679
Commission like when I go to a board of

1502
01:25:50,679 --> 01:25:53,440
zoning appeals uh

1503
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:57,760
meeting sometimes we're asked to change

1504
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:03,920
a uh a decision that are uh direct let

1505
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,639
me let me just powers of the

1506
01:26:06,639 --> 01:26:11,480
board three there's three powers pretty

1507
01:26:11,480 --> 01:26:13,800
explicit doesn't give us a lot of

1508
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:15,679
latitude that's why I've seen some

1509
01:26:15,679 --> 01:26:18,199
people walk out of this room crying you

1510
01:26:18,199 --> 01:26:21,600
know U because we can't do what they

1511
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,719
want us to do do the board of zoning

1512
01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:27,600
appeal shall have the following powers

1513
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:31,360
administrative review to hear and decide

1514
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,639
appeals where it is alleged by the

1515
01:26:33,639 --> 01:26:37,600
appellant that there is error in any

1516
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,719
order requirement permit decision

1517
01:26:40,719 --> 01:26:44,040
determination or refusal made by the

1518
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,440
zoning administrator or other

1519
01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:49,360
administrative official in the carrying

1520
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:53,199
out of enforcement of any provision of

1521
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:55,960
this resolution that means if somebody

1522
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:59,639
just doesn't agree with what Curt or

1523
01:26:59,639 --> 01:27:03,320
zoning administrator his decision if

1524
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,280
they don't like it they think he's made

1525
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:09,000
a mistake they have uh evidence that

1526
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:12,119
he's messed up we can overturn his

1527
01:27:12,119 --> 01:27:14,119
decision all right that's the first

1528
01:27:14,119 --> 01:27:17,639
Power special exception to hear and

1529
01:27:17,639 --> 01:27:19,880
decide applications for special

1530
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:22,280
exceptions as specified in this resol

1531
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,560
olution which there's a lot of special

1532
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:28,159
exceptions listed in the text of the

1533
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:31,320
zoning resolution and for decisions on

1534
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:33,520
any special questions upon which the

1535
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,800
board of zoning appeals is authorized to

1536
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,840
pass you know that's pretty widespread

1537
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,920
but in matters of direct

1538
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,040
airs the board shall refer to Tennessee

1539
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:48,480
code annotated section 13-3 d48 to

1540
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:50,760
determine the proper division of

1541
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,520
property and that that's somebody's

1542
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,119
handing down a farm people get to

1543
01:27:55,119 --> 01:27:57,400
arguing about it I guess we can help

1544
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:01,159
them decide who gets what I guess then

1545
01:28:01,159 --> 01:28:04,600
the variance to that's number three the

1546
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:06,520
third power to hear and decide

1547
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:09,280
applications for variances from the

1548
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,840
terms of this resolution and we do that

1549
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,840
quite often just the other day in uh out

1550
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:17,960
at Lakewood Park a guy wanted to build

1551
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,040
his house we have a 25 foot sidey yard

1552
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:26,040
setback we gave him a variance of I

1553
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:30,360
think it was 5T so he had room to build

1554
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,960
the house he wanted to build with a 20

1555
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:36,000
foot sidey yard so that's that's one of

1556
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,560
the things we do and if his neighbor

1557
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:40,360
course and every time something like a

1558
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:42,639
variance or rezoning or something like

1559
01:28:42,639 --> 01:28:45,360
that comes up the

1560
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,840
U get a letter they have to send a

1561
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:50,040
letter to the neighbors neighbors yeah

1562
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:52,520
and like if we decided that guy deserve

1563
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:54,800
this five foot and neighbor argued well

1564
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,199
the neighbor has to go to court to

1565
01:28:57,199 --> 01:29:00,119
reverse our our the grant the granting

1566
01:29:00,119 --> 01:29:04,000
of that variance so it's it's pretty

1567
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:08,960
powerful uh board and uh that's why I

1568
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,199
think it needs to be populated with

1569
01:29:12,199 --> 01:29:14,320
people that understand what's going on

1570
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,960
and need to have a little compassion

1571
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,920
when you're dealing with people yeah

1572
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:25,320
so using that pattern that

1573
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:28,480
solves the problem it it establishes I

1574
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:30,880
gave you my um my list of

1575
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,520
members and it establishes it

1576
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,520
reestablishes the proper order right and

1577
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,760
then it puts us back on track right that

1578
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,760
next January whichever one's rolling off

1579
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:44,840
we understand what their position is

1580
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:46,080
whether they're commission Planning

1581
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,639
Commission meeting a member farmer or a

1582
01:29:48,639 --> 01:29:50,800
farmer or whatever and that helps us to

1583
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:52,880
decide then right from the full

1584
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:54,880
commission during that meeting it can

1585
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,760
the nominations can come from the

1586
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,800
floor so we've accomplished that so do

1587
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,840
we add our so do we so our

1588
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:05,440
recommendation does that still have to

1589
01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:08,119
go our recommendation to go to the

1590
01:30:08,119 --> 01:30:10,719
planning uh well I haven't heard a

1591
01:30:10,719 --> 01:30:13,480
motion putting all this together yet but

1592
01:30:13,480 --> 01:30:17,560
are you leaning towards making the bza

1593
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:20,840
members sixe

1594
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:24,149
terms

1595
01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:27,000
if we left it at five one of two things

1596
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,360
you can one of two things I think would

1597
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:33,400
be a appropriate either way if you make

1598
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:37,760
it a six-year term for that

1599
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,920
membership that has to be uh an

1600
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:44,199
amendment to the zoning resolution and

1601
01:30:44,199 --> 01:30:47,800
or you could say that leave it five year

1602
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:50,840
for the full membership and the

1603
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:54,560
associate member is floating and could

1604
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:58,360
change annually or every five or you

1605
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:01,520
could you could word it to where the the

1606
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,000
five-year term does not apply to the

1607
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,280
associate member you could do you could

1608
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:08,480
do many things but that would also

1609
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:11,080
require amending the zoning resolution

1610
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:15,639
to state that can the can the associate

1611
01:31:15,639 --> 01:31:18,320
member if she come off in 2028 at her

1612
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:19,920
regular time she would just come off

1613
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:21,440
with one regular member is that a

1614
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:23,119
problem having an associate come off

1615
01:31:23,119 --> 01:31:25,000
with one regular

1616
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,679
member it it says that just as long as

1617
01:31:27,679 --> 01:31:31,040
one I think we would be complying with

1618
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,960
TCA

1619
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:39,639
because it TCA says member right the

1620
01:31:39,639 --> 01:31:45,080
associate member uh is not a member

1621
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:47,679
right just kind of like a a sub or feel

1622
01:31:47,679 --> 01:31:49,880
in for an

1623
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:57,430
absent U member

1624
01:31:57,440 --> 01:31:59,960
vacancies shall be filled I'm reading

1625
01:31:59,960 --> 01:32:03,360
TCA now not our zoning resolution

1626
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:06,320
vacancies shall be filled for unexpired

1627
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,800
terms in the same manner is in the case

1628
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:12,600
of original ones meaning it would be uh

1629
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:14,760
nominations and approval by the full

1630
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:16,679
legislative body that's the way I take

1631
01:32:16,679 --> 01:32:20,000
that sentence the county legislative

1632
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,400
body May appoint

1633
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:26,000
associate members of the board and in

1634
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:29,679
the event I want to back up may doesn't

1635
01:32:29,679 --> 01:32:32,880
say shall we have because we've got

1636
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,800
associate members but it's the TCA says

1637
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,239
may appoint associate members of the

1638
01:32:38,239 --> 01:32:41,840
board and in the event that any regular

1639
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,800
member see so they they differentiate

1640
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:47,360
they use the word regular

1641
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,480
member and in the event that any regular

1642
01:32:50,480 --> 01:32:54,400
member be temp temporarily unable to act

1643
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:58,119
owing to absence from the county

1644
01:32:58,119 --> 01:33:01,560
illness interest in a case before the

1645
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:05,400
board or other cause such associate

1646
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,159
members Place may be taken during such

1647
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:11,639
temporary disability by an associate

1648
01:33:11,639 --> 01:33:15,119
member designated for the purpose by the

1649
01:33:15,119 --> 01:33:17,440
county legislative

1650
01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:22,480
body so it still doesn't address the ter

1651
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:25,639
well but it it gives us the

1652
01:33:25,639 --> 01:33:28,520
opportunity to let like you said Float

1653
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:29,840
let the associate

1654
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:31,960
float and we

1655
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:35,800
could regular members are coming off

1656
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:39,040
term expires year yeah and then we could

1657
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,960
look at the associate every year I yeah

1658
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,920
to to approve or to roll off or whatever

1659
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:47,119
the commission whatever the commission

1660
01:33:47,119 --> 01:33:49,920
Wills well I mean we have it sounds like

1661
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:52,159
we have that flexibility yeah and I

1662
01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:55,040
think I think the the associate member

1663
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:58,760
can come off with a regular member and when there's a reappointment as long

1664
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,679
as it's put into the minutes when you

1665
01:34:01,679 --> 01:34:03,960
reappoint a regular member that it put

1666
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:05,760
if you have to reappoint associate that

1667
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:08,159
it says associate that way it's not you

1668
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:09,239
know it says it in there it's not

1669
01:34:09,239 --> 01:34:10,679
confusing to us I mean you know what I'm

1670
01:34:10,679 --> 01:34:12,320
talking about yes I see what you're

1671
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,719
saying so as long as it says associate

1672
01:34:14,719 --> 01:34:17,880
will know that one regular member got

1673
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,760
reappointed or appointed along with the

1674
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:22,280
associate

1675
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:23,639
but if that be the case she would come

1676
01:34:23,639 --> 01:34:24,480
off in

1677
01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:27,560
2020 okay we're not changing anything

1678
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:30,320
we're just updating the

1679
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:33,000
dates so can this go directly to the

1680
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:34,719
commission without going through the

1681
01:34:34,719 --> 01:34:36,080
legislative committee if we're not

1682
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:37,159
changing

1683
01:34:37,159 --> 01:34:39,360
anything all we're doing is updating the

1684
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,119
dates yeah just to approve the current

1685
01:34:41,119 --> 01:34:44,080
board and move

1686
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:46,639
forward at this time with one member

1687
01:34:46,639 --> 01:34:48,600
coming off each year starting with the

1688
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:50,760
oldest member we're not changing the

1689
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:52,920
process no we're just change we're

1690
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:56,400
updating and bringing in line the

1691
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:58,560
dates of the

1692
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,840
terms so we're actually not changing

1693
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,480
anything of the

1694
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:07,040
process if I understand what you've been

1695
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:10,040
reading I'm I'm just reading I don't

1696
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:10,920
want

1697
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:16,400
to I'm looking at our remember TCA

1698
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:21,600
says that the legislative body May up

1699
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:24,600
Point associate members of the board

1700
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:27,400
may I don't see anything in here where

1701
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:31,280
it says associate member in our zoning

1702
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:34,119
resolution well we must have at least

1703
01:35:34,119 --> 01:35:37,440
the minimum to apply to the TCA we've

1704
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:39,320
got to agree with that whatever we do we

1705
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:41,440
can add to that oh yeah but we've got to

1706
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:46,880
do the minimal of what TCA does correct okay so are we

1707
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:50,199
in with what I just said are we are we

1708
01:35:50,199 --> 01:35:52,320
making it with TCA and our

1709
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,800
local yeah I mean nothing's been said

1710
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:58,000
about what y'all what I'm saying is

1711
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:01,119
where where's the language that says the

1712
01:36:01,119 --> 01:36:04,510
county legislative

1713
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:07,679
body has associate member it's not in

1714
01:36:07,679 --> 01:36:10,239
her zoning

1715
01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:13,880
resolution correct no it's not I don't

1716
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:16,840
see it I may have to go out to the

1717
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:20,080
vehicle and get the full only the the

1718
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:22,679
County Board is owning a it doesn't say

1719
01:36:22,679 --> 01:36:24,840
that we will have it does not say we

1720
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:29,109
will have an associate

1721
01:36:29,119 --> 01:36:32,360
member the first one I seen But the TCA

1722
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:38,679
does TCA says we can may may I got

1723
01:36:38,679 --> 01:36:41,960
you but the be the but the zoning

1724
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:47,600
resolution doesn't say we shall elect a

1725
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:49,960
associate

1726
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:52,239
member but we would be fulfilling the

1727
01:36:52,239 --> 01:36:55,199
minimal requirements with TCA with May

1728
01:36:55,199 --> 01:36:56,920
that means yeah we we've got the we

1729
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:58,920
we've got the okay to do

1730
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,840
that we would be fulfilling TCA

1731
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,239
requirements if we disregard an

1732
01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:06,159
associate member allog

1733
01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:08,639
together because they say we can say we

1734
01:37:08,639 --> 01:37:10,840
don't have one right now we could almost

1735
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:13,800
say that because I don't see it in uh in

1736
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:16,480
the membership makeup of the board of

1737
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:18,520
zoning

1738
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:24,600
appeals so therefore there having said that let's just not deal with it

1739
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:27,600
the the fiveyear terms for the five

1740
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:31,280
regular members is y'all laid out

1741
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:33,280
works it

1742
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,719
works the associate member we may need

1743
01:37:36,719 --> 01:37:41,040
to uh we this this would not have to go

1744
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,040
to the Planning Commission right if

1745
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,080
we're leaving every the we're not Chang

1746
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:47,239
we're not amending our Zone resolution

1747
01:37:47,239 --> 01:37:48,800
right

1748
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:52,480
um and this has been done

1749
01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:55,119
for the 15 years that we've looked

1750
01:37:55,119 --> 01:37:57,000
through the they've had the associate in

1751
01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:59,400
there already for that 15 years right

1752
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:04,599
yeah in 2012 somewhere some one in 2012

1753
01:38:04,599 --> 01:38:08,480
Bobby bran was I guess and I don't know

1754
01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:11,880
that since TCA says we may appoint one

1755
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:15,400
well we did appoint one right that's way

1756
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:17,800
it looks that's how we have to but our

1757
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:19,760
owna resolution don't even mention

1758
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:21,800
associate member that I

1759
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:23,800
and I could be mistaken I might need the

1760
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:26,280
whole book but this is where it says the

1761
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:30,040
makeup of the membership so having said

1762
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:33,159
that uh I

1763
01:38:33,159 --> 01:38:37,400
think that we're good with what y'all

1764
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:43,159
have discussed I think I think that's proper way handling

1765
01:38:43,159 --> 01:38:45,679
it I I would welcome any other solution

1766
01:38:45,679 --> 01:38:48,239
but I think we've got Simplicity we've

1767
01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:52,000
got application uh we we were

1768
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:55,639
accountable to uh TCA guidelines and and

1769
01:38:55,639 --> 01:38:57,840
the best that we know from Planning

1770
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,320
Commission

1771
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:05,760
so I mean from from my opinion my pers

1772
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:07,719
perspective and you've got them written

1773
01:39:07,719 --> 01:39:10,000
out there I do and and that's what I

1774
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,560
mean that's what do we so we need to

1775
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:15,679
make a motion uh yeah to approve the

1776
01:39:15,679 --> 01:39:19,560
current board uh with one member coming

1777
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:22,040
off this year

1778
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,400
um would you like to make a motion

1779
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:26,080
starting with the oldest I I make a

1780
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,480
motion that we take the list as we've

1781
01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:32,480
come up with there uh keeping the uh

1782
01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:37,000
published names of the bza at this point

1783
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:38,480
and just

1784
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:40,920
adjusting their their uh dates of

1785
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:50,030
service rolling

1786
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:54,070
off

1787
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:56,560
and then do we just make the associate a

1788
01:39:56,560 --> 01:40:02,669
an annual uh

1789
01:40:02,679 --> 01:40:05,360
approval yeah we can just make the the

1790
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:08,520
associate an annual approval of the

1791
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:10,400
right now that's what we need I don't

1792
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:13,360
think we need to address it well that

1793
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:15,840
keeps us again from we we're still in

1794
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:17,560
compliance with everything oh yeah and

1795
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:20,159
we're not violating anything uh and

1796
01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:23,000
that's been done we have that that

1797
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:25,040
record and simply because it's been done

1798
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:27,199
before that mean it's now but we're not

1799
01:40:27,199 --> 01:40:30,920
in our observation of

1800
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:36,229
TCA U we're in

1801
01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:38,880
compliance where I had the names there

1802
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:41,880
we're going to all right this is what

1803
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:49,910
you got

1804
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:54,990
okay

1805
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:56,760
you've made a motion I'm going to read

1806
01:40:56,760 --> 01:41:01,709
your motion even though you didn't say

1807
01:41:01,719 --> 01:41:04,560
all the mo cuz I'm secretary and I have

1808
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:08,080
to get this recorded but the motion to

1809
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:13,000
uh to to fix this uh conundrum we are in

1810
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:17,239
with the uh term expiration motion by

1811
01:41:17,239 --> 01:41:19,199
commissioner Joe mik

1812
01:41:19,199 --> 01:41:23,400
Hodge is that where are taking the five

1813
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:24,920
regular

1814
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:28,639
members arranging them so their

1815
01:41:28,639 --> 01:41:32,960
terms would expire as such we're just

1816
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:37,239
adjusting their terms in order to repair

1817
01:41:37,239 --> 01:41:40,599
or to reestablish and corre we've taken

1818
01:41:40,599 --> 01:41:43,199
these as the we've we've wrote reviewed

1819
01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:46,280
15 years of records and these are the in

1820
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:49,560
chronological order as We Know It uh ly

1821
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:52,400
Duke's term will EXP expire

1822
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:57,000
2024 Kevin Sap's term will expire

1823
01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:03,199
2025 Sammy Morton Jr's term will expire

1824
01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:09,440
2026 he is the required full-time farmer

1825
01:42:09,440 --> 01:42:12,280
designation Dennis Hunt's term will

1826
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:14,560
expire

1827
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:18,119
2027 he is the

1828
01:42:18,119 --> 01:42:27,679
representative Planning Commission m Tim Morris will expire

1829
01:42:27,679 --> 01:42:30,400
2028 he is the

1830
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:32,599
representative commissioner full

1831
01:42:32,599 --> 01:42:34,480
legislative body

1832
01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:36,599
member Helen

1833
01:42:36,599 --> 01:42:38,960
debellis

1834
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:43,960
is the associate member and

1835
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:48,599
we your motion for associate members

1836
01:42:48,599 --> 01:42:51,159
would be to address associate member

1837
01:42:51,159 --> 01:42:53,840
annually correct okay that way the the

1838
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:56,400
full body will be and that will help us

1839
01:42:56,400 --> 01:43:01,669
to remember to do that

1840
01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:04,000
maybe

1841
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:08,360
um okay that'll get second that motion

1842
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:16,679
okay okay all those in favor I I okay did you vote I did

1843
01:43:16,679 --> 01:43:21,960
okay I did I well

1844
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:34,109
uh another thing I want to make uh clear the TCA

1845
01:43:34,119 --> 01:43:39,189
regarding

1846
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:41,119
membership that I wanted to read

1847
01:43:41,119 --> 01:43:44,320
legislative body vad zoning Authority P

1848
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:46,800
part the shall be appointing power of

1849
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,669
the members shall

1850
01:43:49,679 --> 01:43:52,960
be we need to copy that sent so we can

1851
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:54,679
do that see it in the legislative

1852
01:43:54,679 --> 01:43:56,960
committee yes so we get that next week

1853
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:59,040
and we can get that approved and then

1854
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:02,040
ship it on to the yes my secretary is

1855
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:04,960
going I I don't have that printed off

1856
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:07,639
because I didn't really there was some

1857
01:44:07,639 --> 01:44:11,239
we have to remember the board of zoning

1858
01:44:11,239 --> 01:44:14,880
appeals and the Planning Commission only

1859
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:20,119
deals with business and issues in rural

1860
01:44:20,119 --> 01:44:23,360
coffee County they have no oversight

1861
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:25,360
whatsoever within the municipal

1862
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:27,719
boundaries of t or Manchester I would

1863
01:44:27,719 --> 01:44:31,760
expect them to okay right yeah okay now

1864
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:35,239
uh there was a question about the

1865
01:44:35,239 --> 01:44:39,880
membership does the members of the board

1866
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:42,000
of zoning

1867
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,760
appeals and the Planning Commission have

1868
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:45,480
to

1869
01:44:45,480 --> 01:44:48,599
be rural

1870
01:44:48,599 --> 01:44:52,440
residents what I found in TCA and I

1871
01:44:52,440 --> 01:44:54,080
didn't print that because we wasn't

1872
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:56,480
really dealing with it uh because

1873
01:44:56,480 --> 01:44:58,679
actually miss debellis lives within the

1874
01:44:58,679 --> 01:45:02,440
city limits of Manchester what TCA uh

1875
01:45:02,440 --> 01:45:07,360
States is that a majority of the body

1876
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:10,639
must reside in the territory in which

1877
01:45:10,639 --> 01:45:14,280
they oversight or oversee so the county

1878
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:15,840
they have to most of them the majority

1879
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:18,239
have to be from the county so five three

1880
01:45:18,239 --> 01:45:20,719
of them have to be rural residents but

1881
01:45:20,719 --> 01:45:23,040
we're in good shape there all five are

1882
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:25,639
rural residents and Helen is an

1883
01:45:25,639 --> 01:45:28,199
associate member we're nowhere near

1884
01:45:28,199 --> 01:45:31,400
getting in uh okay we're we're compliant

1885
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:34,760
with that when we print

1886
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:38,360
this in the future it need those

1887
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:39,840
guidelines need to just like these

1888
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:41,800
guidelines are stipulated here those

1889
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:43,960
guidelines need to be stipulated and

1890
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:46,000
those indications of what position they

1891
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:47,960
feel needs to be there too just like

1892
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:50,840
Helen's the associate uh then we go back

1893
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:53,199
now and and and you'd be Planning

1894
01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:55,360
Commission and Tim Morris would be

1895
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:57,239
commissioner they need to be signified

1896
01:45:57,239 --> 01:45:59,159
by their name somehow so that we know

1897
01:45:59,159 --> 01:46:00,480
when they're rolling off who we need to

1898
01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:02,159
replace there just to help the people in

1899
01:46:02,159 --> 01:46:04,639
the future right

1900
01:46:04,639 --> 01:46:07,480
okay does that make sense

1901
01:46:07,480 --> 01:46:10,840
yes and we need to stay stay on top of

1902
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:14,040
it that that we are compliant with those

1903
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:18,280
three designated positions

1904
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:20,920
yes yeah and it's just to give everybody

1905
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:24,639
a fair shake you know the me coming from

1906
01:46:24,639 --> 01:46:26,599
the Planning Commission if I sit in on

1907
01:46:26,599 --> 01:46:30,239
the bza I can I can uh relate all of the

1908
01:46:30,239 --> 01:46:34,480
issues see the the the Planning

1909
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:38,159
Commission as has been stated does not

1910
01:46:38,159 --> 01:46:41,840
make binding decisions but they

1911
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:45,040
confirm binding language that's in our

1912
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:47,560
zoning resolution they don't really make

1913
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:49,440
a decision on it they're just saying

1914
01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:52,679
yeah this is what it's says and yes um

1915
01:46:52,679 --> 01:46:55,159
ma'am sir you will have to do it this

1916
01:46:55,159 --> 01:46:57,800
way you must do that you know we vote on

1917
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:00,880
it that's the way they do it and if it's

1918
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:03,520
uh amending the zoning

1919
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:06,599
resolution which if you have a piece

1920
01:47:06,599 --> 01:47:09,119
property that fronts Highway 55 out

1921
01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:11,280
there and it's R1 for housing but you

1922
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:13,520
want to put a little car lot it needs to

1923
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:14,480
be

1924
01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:16,920
C1 that you come to the Planning

1925
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:18,679
Commission and asks for your property to

1926
01:47:18,679 --> 01:47:21,520
be rezoned well that is amending the

1927
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:24,679
zoning resolution because the map our

1928
01:47:24,679 --> 01:47:29,440
zoning map is is part of our zoning

1929
01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:32,800
resolution and then we would vote on

1930
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:36,560
resoning your property and if it if we

1931
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:39,000
get a positive vote out of the Planning

1932
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:41,599
Commission that's not binding you go to

1933
01:47:41,599 --> 01:47:44,119
the full legislative body then we vote

1934
01:47:44,119 --> 01:47:47,520
as the Commissioners to change your

1935
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:48,840
zoning

1936
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:51,159
designation and

1937
01:47:51,159 --> 01:47:54,040
I don't know that I've ever seen it fail

1938
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:55,560
generally I mean if the Planning

1939
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:57,599
Commission gives it a positive

1940
01:47:57,599 --> 01:47:59,440
recommendation that means it's pretty

1941
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:02,719
much been run through the meal but uh

1942
01:48:02,719 --> 01:48:05,719
anyway it's intriguing but the effort of

1943
01:48:05,719 --> 01:48:08,239
this Administration this election cycle

1944
01:48:08,239 --> 01:48:11,239
has been to clarify and to

1945
01:48:11,239 --> 01:48:13,840
reestablish what should have been going

1946
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:15,560
on in order and I think that's what

1947
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:17,599
we're doing here I think that's another

1948
01:48:17,599 --> 01:48:19,520
step in what we're doing is trying to

1949
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:20,880
make things clear

1950
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:23,280
uh make it objective uh and and that

1951
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:24,760
type of thing so I I think we've

1952
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:26,440
accomplished that maybe today unless

1953
01:48:26,440 --> 01:48:28,239
somebody there's something that I

1954
01:48:28,239 --> 01:48:31,639
compliance is the catch word compliance

1955
01:48:31,639 --> 01:48:35,520
yeah I'm all for that so this will uh

1956
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:37,080
just need to be brought up at our next

1957
01:48:37,080 --> 01:48:39,599
full commission meeting then yeah we

1958
01:48:39,599 --> 01:48:42,719
will um just get a copy of this and send

1959
01:48:42,719 --> 01:48:45,000
it to the legislative committee because

1960
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:47,280
we're supposedly the Clearing House so

1961
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:49,080
just get this and get it to me so I can

1962
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:51,000
get it on our agenda so we're ready to

1963
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:53,239
go to the full commission with it I

1964
01:48:53,239 --> 01:48:56,719
don't think that's necessary but if

1965
01:48:56,719 --> 01:48:59,840
y'all want to look at it you can because

1966
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:02,880
it's the the full legislative body is

1967
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:06,520
the one that uh we're responsible for

1968
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:08,960
the bza like I said I was just looking

1969
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:12,119
at those U things today because we're

1970
01:49:12,119 --> 01:49:14,520
again trying to decide on that and it

1971
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:17,119
said the legislative Committee of Coffee

1972
01:49:17,119 --> 01:49:18,800
County Tennessee commission is the

1973
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:20,800
Clearing House for either new County

1974
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:22,800
resolutions or proposed amendments to

1975
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:25,280
existing resolutions M and we're not

1976
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:27,719
amending all all legislation proposed by

1977
01:49:27,719 --> 01:49:29,360
the county mayor's office or the County

1978
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:31,199
Commission normally makes a stop in the

1979
01:49:31,199 --> 01:49:33,000
legislative committee before proceeding

1980
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,360
to a full vote of the County Commission

1981
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:38,199
so it's just an extra set of eyes yeah I

1982
01:49:38,199 --> 01:49:39,599
was

1983
01:49:39,599 --> 01:49:42,560
uh I agree with the resolution I'm not

1984
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:46,400
sure this has to be a

1985
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:49,119
resolution uh it's we're just making a

1986
01:49:49,119 --> 01:49:51,560
clarification and a reestablishment

1987
01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:53,840
Comedia assignments you know if you

1988
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:56,880
notice have no resolution number you all

1989
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:58,520
these minutes we looked at there's no

1990
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:00,880
resolution number associated with

1991
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:04,080
membership but uh you know I

1992
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:07,760
don't when is the next legislative body

1993
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:11,599
the legislative committee meeting it's like next week or week after next

1994
01:50:11,599 --> 01:50:13,239
okay it's it's a week before the

1995
01:50:13,239 --> 01:50:15,719
commission okay

1996
01:50:15,719 --> 01:50:17,280
meeting

1997
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:19,040
y

1998
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:20,960
and

1999
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:23,400
I don't know I think I think we've

2000
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:26,599
covered it I think it's a I think it's a

2001
01:50:26,599 --> 01:50:30,480
good motion I think it's a good uh

2002
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:34,480
solution and uh what I don't know if

2003
01:50:34,480 --> 01:50:36,719
this needs to be policy and procedures

2004
01:50:36,719 --> 01:50:41,719
or legislative but these

2005
01:50:41,719 --> 01:50:45,880
appointments to all committees and

2006
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:51,400
Boards I feel like any name that is

2007
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:52,719
uh

2008
01:50:52,719 --> 01:50:56,560
placed uh in nomination to be approved

2009
01:50:56,560 --> 01:51:01,639
that individual should be there yeah and

2010
01:51:01,639 --> 01:51:05,639
that rarely happens I mean all of our

2011
01:51:05,639 --> 01:51:08,520
standing committees and committees that

2012
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:10,920
have legislative body members on it

2013
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:12,679
we're already sitting there and we can

2014
01:51:12,679 --> 01:51:16,199
speak to it if we wish to but these uh

2015
01:51:16,199 --> 01:51:18,199
like the Planning Commission there's

2016
01:51:18,199 --> 01:51:20,840
only I'm only if they're appointed and

2017
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:23,119
not elected I mean publicly elected

2018
01:51:23,119 --> 01:51:24,599
through election process that's what

2019
01:51:24,599 --> 01:51:27,199
you're talking about IED I think when we

2020
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:29,480
are appointing when we're populating

2021
01:51:29,480 --> 01:51:32,400
boards commissions and committees the

2022
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:34,880
individuals that we are approving should

2023
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:36,960
be there should be in

2024
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:39,920
attendance but there's nothing that I

2025
01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:42,800
see right now in our policy and

2026
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:45,320
procedures that requires that I just

2027
01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:47,520
think they should be something we need

2028
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:51,560
to consider yeah all right

2029
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:52,679
very

2030
01:51:52,679 --> 01:51:55,400
good trying to pull up the calendar I

2031
01:51:55,400 --> 01:51:57,239
can see so it's going to take me a

2032
01:51:57,239 --> 01:51:59,239
little while to ride up the minutes on

2033
01:51:59,239 --> 01:52:08,270
this but I'll get them out pretty quick

2034
01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:11,079
okay have you got anything else Madam

2035
01:52:11,079 --> 01:52:12,920
chair woman I was looking on the

2036
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:16,320
calendar um do you have

2037
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:20,400
a a bza meeting on the 15th we do do

2038
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:22,719
okay and

2039
01:52:22,719 --> 01:52:24,880
then

2040
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:27,760
um I was looking to see when the when's

2041
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:30,560
our next full commission meeting um is

2042
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:33,669
that the

2043
01:52:33,679 --> 01:52:37,760
12th like March 12th March I think

2044
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:40,280
so

2045
01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:48,830
March um yes um March the

2046
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:50,520
12th

2047
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,040
legislative committee I thought it said

2048
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:55,199
February 26 okay February

2049
01:52:55,199 --> 01:52:58,599
26 and then the full commission is March

2050
01:52:58,599 --> 01:53:03,199
the 12th March the 12th okay so there we

2051
01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:05,639
go I don't have anything else do you

2052
01:53:05,639 --> 01:53:07,119
guys have anything

2053
01:53:07,119 --> 01:53:09,159
else I think we've accomplished our

2054
01:53:09,159 --> 01:53:11,239
mission I think we have and we needed to

2055
01:53:11,239 --> 01:53:13,360
before the March we need to get this

2056
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:16,079
squared away we can't linger if we don't

2057
01:53:16,079 --> 01:53:17,599
have to we don't we don't need to

2058
01:53:17,599 --> 01:53:20,280
languish we need to move I think we've

2059
01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:21,480
done

2060
01:53:21,480 --> 01:53:25,629
that all right

2061
01:53:25,639 --> 01:53:27,480
and

2062
01:53:27,480 --> 01:53:29,360
this

2063
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:32,159
will be our last meeting that's right

2064
01:53:32,159 --> 01:53:34,079
we're done that's what ad hoc's all

2065
01:53:34,079 --> 01:53:36,719
about we do one thing and we're done

2066
01:53:36,719 --> 01:53:38,079
well and I think we've accomplished our

2067
01:53:38,079 --> 01:53:40,239
mission good work

2068
01:53:40,239 --> 01:53:44,760
I uh I make a motion to adjourn second

2069
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:47,480
all right meeting the

2070
01:53:47,480 --> 01:53:51,760
journey all right