[0:09] the meeting to order we have uh it's
[0:12] February 13th 4
[0:15] pm agaw committee for the
[0:19] bza um members present is commissioner
[0:22] Dennis hunt commissioner Joseph Hodge
[0:25] and myself commissioner Laura
[0:27] Nettles um
[0:30] have y'all uh had a chance to look make
[0:32] a motion to approve the agenda okay now
[0:38] second first and second all those in
[0:40] favor I I I um any public
[0:45] comments no public comments at this
[0:49] time okay um to approve and modify
[0:54] previous minutes the previous minutes
[0:55] have y'all had a chance to look at
[0:58] that
[1:01] so these are what you submitted right
[1:04] okay
[1:06] yes okay on January 26th I submitted
[1:24] these okay I'll make a motion that we
[1:27] accept those second to approve the
[1:30] minuts all those in favor I
[1:35] approved now on to business um in our
[1:39] last meeting uh we all agreed to um
[1:44] request the last 15 years from the
[1:47] January
[1:49] bza
[1:51] meetings and we have those here current
[1:54] correction we ask
[1:56] for full legislative body there you go
[2:00] that's not the bza not the bza meeting
[2:02] the full legislative body meeting for J each January right correct for the
[2:07] last 15 years and uh commissioner hunt
[2:11] put in that request and we have those
[2:13] here and we're going to be taking a look
[2:15] at those this evening
[2:18] to
[2:28] review all right the these are the
[2:31] minutes provided by the
[2:34] clerk is that right yes that's right
[2:39] okay and
[2:42] my intent for requesting these the
[2:46] motion that I made to request is is
[2:49] committee assignments nominations and uh
[2:53] approvals for committees are
[2:56] made in January uh right especially the
[3:03] subject committee the board of zoning
[3:06] appeals so I felt like if we go back
[3:10] through the last at least last 15 years
[3:14] we may find we have to dig deeper to be
[3:17] honest with you but right now maybe
[3:19] we'll find what happened that uh
[3:23] precipitated
[3:24] this
[3:26] uh
[3:27] erroneous member
[3:30] term exploration that we're faced with
[3:32] right now because we got three
[3:35] members
[3:37] who own by record say that their term
[3:40] expired this year so okay anyway I think
[3:45] if we take these one month at a
[3:48] time uh looks like the oldest one we
[3:53] ought to start with the newest one and
[3:55] go backwards is my
[3:57] opinion so you think we are not start
[4:00] 2009 or go back to the very we need to
[4:03] start with the newest okay and go
[4:06] backwards is my opinion I think we'll
[4:10] find the
[4:13] discrepancy a long way hopefully
[4:23] okay
[4:25] and when we when we are reviewing these
[4:30] mhm if you notice uh I think I'm looking
[4:35] in my foldo to see if I have that
[4:38] committee list yeah I've got mine
[4:41] committee list I got it right here too
[4:44] uh we don't have the January 24 minutes
[4:47] those probably weren't necessary not
[4:50] necessary because the bza was not dealt
[4:52] with in Jan January
[4:55] 24th I got
[4:58] you all right
[5:00] I want I want to take a second okay to
[5:04] the the board of zoning
[5:07] appeals right now the members are
[5:11] myself commissioner Dennis hunt Tim
[5:15] Morris commissioner as well L
[5:19] Duke Kevin sop Sammy Morton
[5:23] JR are all full bza board the board
[5:28] members have
[5:30] debellis is the an associate member and
[5:34] as our as our zoning
[5:39] resolution
[5:41] requires Dennis
[5:44] hunt represents the Planning
[5:48] Commission on the board of zoning
[5:50] appeals Tim Morris
[5:53] represents the full legislative
[5:57] body Samy Morton Jr
[6:00] represents the full-time farmer those
[6:03] are the only three positions that must
[6:06] be that you must have one member from
[6:09] the Planning Commission you must have
[6:11] one member from the full legislative
[6:13] body a commissioner and you must have
[6:15] one full-time farmer the other two can
[6:18] be normal people the way I like to put
[6:21] it right right and we and we do have an
[6:24] associate member and Helen debellis
[6:27] fills that position in in the event that
[6:30] any one of those five members do not uh
[6:34] show up for a meeting the associate
[6:36] member can uh participate and vote as a
[6:41] full member does uh and as an example of
[6:45] the importance of associate member our
[6:47] very last Board of zoning appeals
[6:50] meeting only two full members showed up
[6:54] plus Miss de Bellis the associate member
[6:57] so those three individual did make up a
[7:00] quorum where we could go ahead and uh
[7:04] and conduct business okay all right now
[7:07] having said that TCA
[7:12] requires any any commission board or
[7:17] committee by TCA requirements says a
[7:21] member must be a commissioner a member
[7:26] of the full legislative body or if our
[7:28] if we have a resolution that
[7:32] requires a member of a committee must be
[7:36] a full legislative body or
[7:41] commissioner if you if those if that is
[7:44] a requirement for any board commission
[7:47] or
[7:48] committee during an election cycle if a
[7:52] member of the board commissioner
[7:54] committee does not run or is not
[7:58] successful when being reelected any of
[8:02] the committees or boards or commissions
[8:05] that they serve on that requires that
[8:08] membership to be a commissioner that
[8:11] seat is automatically vacant at that
[8:14] point in time so but these members here
[8:18] according to what this says are the bza
[8:20] is appointed by the Planning
[8:23] Commission or does that mean the
[8:25] commission the the clb the clb so who
[8:29] appoints them the full legislative body okay so by
[8:33] nomination from the floor okay that is
[8:37] that that one is not by the mayor
[8:41] Planning Commission members is an
[8:43] appointment by the mayor of the County
[8:46] uh conf confirmed by the full
[8:48] legislative okay the board of zoning
[8:51] appeals is uh they're trying to take
[8:54] politics out of this is the most this is
[8:56] the most uh well I've explained it so
[9:00] many times the board of zoning appeals
[9:02] makes binding decisions right only a
[9:05] court canot return their R only a court
[9:08] can the uh decisions can be overturned
[9:11] okay so well I was just trying to
[9:12] clarify the commission here appointed by
[9:14] the commission that means the clb yes
[9:17] the entire legislative body the full
[9:19] legisl commiss all right okay now I'm getting somewhere with all of this
[9:25] uh I'm leading up to Tim
[9:28] Morris
[9:29] when commissioner Bobby Bryan uh failed
[9:33] to be reelected in this last election
[9:37] cycle he was a member of the board of
[9:40] zoning appeals so his seat automatically
[9:44] became vacant and we nominated Tim
[9:48] Morris as commissioner because Bobby
[9:51] Bryan represented the member uh
[9:54] requirement of the full legislative body
[9:58] so commissioner Tim
[10:00] Morris was nominated and
[10:03] approved uh should be January 23 minutes
[10:07] I think you'll find that that's when
[10:09] that took place all right so having said
[10:13] that this is one of these things we have
[10:16] to determine when did commissioner
[10:20] Brian get nominated and approved for the
[10:24] board of zoning appeals when would his
[10:27] term have normally his fiveyear term
[10:30] normally expired right commissioner
[10:32] Morris is only going to uh finish the uh
[10:37] term Bobby had started so see those are some of the things that we got
[10:43] to look at that's how I think a lot of
[10:46] this got messed up and if you note it
[10:49] says Tim Moore's term expires in the
[10:51] year 2030 yeah he serves to Long uh
[10:54] that's that's I don't know how that
[10:57] happened I have no idea how that
[11:00] happened but uh we've got to figure all
[11:02] this out so okay I think we need to
[11:06] start if
[11:07] everybody's uh looking at January 23 I'm
[11:12] hoping we can see
[11:17] the has anybody seen the bza yes on the
[11:20] second page bottom uh second page at the
[11:23] bot yeah hunt nominated Tim Morris yeah
[11:26] as commissioner appointment and hen Bell
[11:29] associate as the associate all right I
[11:32] I'm starting notes I'm hoping y'all are
[11:35] too yeah January of
[11:39] 23 Tim Morris was appointed
[11:42] to uh fulfill the term of former
[11:47] commissioner Bobby
[11:49] Bryan so we need to make that
[11:57] note hey he's to feel the remainder of
[12:01] Bobby Bryan's
[12:16] term so to figure that out we'd have to
[12:18] find out when Bobby Bryant was a we'll
[12:20] run across it as we go backwards that's
[12:23] what I'm
[12:24] hoping that is definitely what I'm
[12:26] hoping and I sort of think that's how we
[12:29] uh like you know you would think logic
[12:35] might have somebody automatically put
[12:37] five years on Tim mors right then yeah
[12:40] 2028 is what it should have been if you
[12:44] were using that logic but that would not
[12:47] be correct right he just we all agree on
[12:50] that right all right so
[12:53] now okay so that appointment would be to
[12:56] fulfill and it wouldn't just be starting
[13:00] new that's correct it would just be
[13:02] that's correct finishing out to fill the
[13:07] remainder
[13:14] sure it
[13:16] would to fulfill the remainder of the
[13:21] seat vacated by commissioner
[13:27] Brian well that get real confusing if it would seem like at the election I
[13:32] mean I I don't know all of the
[13:34] guidelines for appointing those but it
[13:35] would seem like if the commissioner was
[13:38] not reelected and you appointed a new
[13:40] commissioner they would assume a
[13:42] five-year
[13:44] St no okay that's not the statute reachs
[13:49] you would uh it's to fulfill the
[13:53] remaining term of the vacated seat if
[13:57] you didn't that's that's what gets you
[13:59] in a mess we have to we must have one
[14:06] member term expiring each calendar year
[14:11] one yeah can't have two can't have three
[14:14] that's TCA and our own zoning resolution
[14:18] so that's why okay you can't have
[14:21] somebody starting a fiveyear term when
[14:23] they're actually finishing up somebody
[14:25] else's fiveyear term had only got one
[14:28] year left after two or something that's
[14:31] what I think we're going to find is
[14:32] created this problem well another
[14:35] problem is if you've got Commissioners
[14:37] that are going four years and they this
[14:39] is a five-year term you're going to
[14:41] always have this problem that's not
[14:44] always well you're going to most of the
[14:46] time you're going to have the same
[14:47] problem not always because then you're
[14:49] going to have to elect someone to
[14:51] fulfill a one-year stand here's the key
[14:53] word
[14:54] reappointment so many people get
[14:57] reappointed and that's why I think
[15:02] that the the commissioner
[15:06] term like let's say I've got three years
[15:10] left as a commissioner I'm on the
[15:14] bza I'm not a commissioner after the
[15:17] next election
[15:18] cycle I can be moved to uh if if I'm the
[15:24] commissioner representing the Comm I'm
[15:26] not I'm representing the Planning
[15:28] Commission I don't have to
[15:31] be a commissioner to be on the Planning
[15:33] Commission okay
[15:37] so when I'm no longer a
[15:40] commissioner the full legislative body
[15:43] may say well let's appoint Dennis in the
[15:47] position from the Planning Commission if
[15:49] I was the one doing the commission it
[15:51] gets complicated well that's what I'm
[15:53] trying to say I don't think I don't
[15:54] think you're going to have this problem
[15:57] every single election CLE well but it's
[16:00] set up to be problems I mean the the
[16:02] pattern is going to be a problem and
[16:04] what I'd like to see where's the where's
[16:07] the TCA for this uh tennessy code
[16:10] annotated where is that for this or does
[16:12] this I gave you a copy was that the last
[16:14] time meeting okay all right I have a
[16:16] copy of those if you need it well that
[16:19] would be something that we need to look
[16:20] at uh I know we need to find certain
[16:22] people and but this whole thing of
[16:24] fiveyear term when you especially when
[16:27] you've got commit commers CU that's
[16:29] going to that's just going to be a
[16:30] problem because you got Commissioners
[16:32] just four years at best you're going to
[16:34] have them serving only four of the
[16:35] fiveyear term then you're going to have
[16:37] to apply another guy for onee term and
[16:39] then another guy after that I mean it's going to be a mess it just looks
[16:44] like the pattern is a
[16:45] [Laughter]
[16:50] mess I'm just in prevent of
[16:56] Maintenance I think that's TCA okay this
[16:59] is the okay this is the TCA okay we
[17:02] should be back uh I'm on 2022 minut
[17:07] right now trying to figure out all right
[17:09] let's see 2022 Let's see we can go back
[17:13] and find all this then come back and
[17:14] look at this other later but I I was
[17:16] just really interested in going back and
[17:17] yeah comparing that yeah right now we
[17:20] need to figure out how we're going to
[17:22] fix this with the rules as they are
[17:25] we're not here to change the rules we
[17:28] here to comply with the rules okay yeah
[17:38] absolutely so go back to
[17:42] 22 here's I found Planning Commission
[17:46] okay what page the about the third page no it's more than that I'm in
[17:54] 22 okay one two three four the fifth
[17:59] page second paragraph down right is
[18:05] uh that's
[18:07] AG wait a
[18:09] minute I might be on the fourth page
[18:13] I've done lost
[18:21] it
[18:23] there's I was just looking at Planning
[18:27] Commission
[18:33] lot of minut on now it is m i see the
[18:38] strategic planning that's what made that
[18:40] might have caught my eye no here it is
[18:43] I've got it right here motion made by or
[18:46] executed by def4 to reappoint Steve
[18:49] Cunningham to the Coffee County Planning
[18:51] Commission the motion was approve 18
[18:56] yes one two
[19:00] three four five six the six page which
[19:04] is one page from the last I think no
[19:08] actually this thirdd page from the
[19:11] back that's the Planning Commission
[19:14] right generally speaking we would deal
[19:17] with the
[19:18] bza right around the time we're dealing
[19:21] with the Planning Commission
[19:23] appointments but I don't see bza at
[19:27] all
[19:30] see it would be a very small paragraph
[19:32] just like that
[19:57] one
[20:21] probably should have asked her to give
[20:23] us a copy of the
[20:25] agenda because the agenda would say
[20:29] uh what order it came in uh what members
[20:33] what committee appointments were to be
[20:35] made I don't see just
[20:39] purchasing beer
[20:42] board railroads and bridges capital
[20:49] outlay r solid
[20:54] w c solid was planning regional
[21:00] board investment
[21:03] committee who's till stubberfield who's
[21:07] till in stubberfield is that Tim that's
[21:09] Tim's daddy that's Tim's Dad okay yeah
[21:12] okay good EMA
[21:18] board
[21:24] ethics
[21:27] AED veterans representative County
[21:32] Corner industrial
[21:42] board Planning
[21:46] Commission strategic
[21:55] planning yeah uh I'm I've done went
[21:59] through all the committee appointments
[22:02] MH yeah I didn't see it personally I did
[22:05] not see
[22:06] it22 would y'all agree that in 2022
[22:10] there was no appointments to the bza
[22:14] made yes there's no record of
[22:25] that see there there's one hiccup right
[22:29] there right there should have been there
[22:31] should have been
[22:35] one or just where it came for approval
[22:38] of the full commission do what now or
[22:40] just where it came to approval for the
[22:42] full commission it should have been
[22:43] there for approval by the full
[22:45] commission somebody should have come
[22:49] off and either reappoint or replace one
[22:53] or the
[22:54] other so
[22:56] uh
[23:02] okay and I wish these were numbered so
[23:06] we make sure we didn't miss a page
[23:09] anywhere because these Pages aren't
[23:11] numbered so we don't know if we missed a
[23:13] page but that's
[23:15] okay okay now
[23:26] 21
[23:56] that was me I'm sorry I'm glad you're
[23:58] did that because I haven't muted
[24:07] mine all right in
[24:09] 21 appr this is a short
[24:13] meeting I's see right here on second
[24:16] page I see motion B by Cunningham and
[24:18] second and by or to appoint Randy Harold
[24:20] to the
[24:21] planning replacing Chris
[24:24] Anderson who
[24:26] term third P second page second page
[24:30] Dear Boy Road second 911 plan commission
[24:36] I remember when that happened
[24:44] EMA see that's Planning Commission yeah
[24:47] Planning Commission um V so his Chris
[24:50] Anderson's term expir so I would thought
[24:54] it would have been right around there
[24:56] well it appears
[24:59] there was no
[25:03] bza in 21 if you looked at the following
[25:08] February of each of those years and
[25:10] maybe it was overlooked or couldn't be
[25:11] done or wasn't brought and would have
[25:13] been approved in a in a later one could
[25:15] that have happened I just don't think
[25:17] that's going to be found but we're
[25:20] sitting in a year where this is like
[25:24] this we didn't make a Planning
[25:27] Commission
[25:28] appointment or confirmation nor did we
[25:31] make a bza appointment or confirmation
[25:34] in January of
[25:37] 24 but it's always been done in January
[25:41] prior to
[25:43] that so there's
[25:46] two consecutive years and see if y'all
[25:49] remember in
[25:51] 20
[25:54] three when I nominated Tim Morris
[25:58] Claud Morris nominated Helen
[26:01] debellis and I made my little
[26:05] speech saying guys this feels just a
[26:09] little bit different because the board
[26:11] of zoning appeals is totally controlled
[26:15] by the legislative body doesn't come
[26:18] from
[26:20] the the mayor's office right
[26:24] and that in itself is probably what has
[26:28] created this issue is because
[26:32] we we have not done due diligence as a
[26:37] legislative body to address the bza
[26:40] every year we just wait for somebody to
[26:42] throw a packet in front of us and we
[26:44] deal with what's laid in front of us
[26:46] when it's our
[26:47] responsibility as a full legislative
[26:50] body to appoint and approve the board of
[26:53] zoning appeal
[26:55] membership and I think we've done found
[26:58] two problems already yeah two years in a
[27:01] row it wasn't addressed at least not in
[27:03] January
[27:06] yeah
[27:09] so if you go to the second page on
[27:14] 2020 I think number go down to the about
[27:17] the six or six yeah there was a motion
[27:21] made by Miller and second by ort to
[27:23] reappoint Dennis hunt and Bobby Bryan to
[27:26] the bza
[27:28] okay that whose terms expire in 2020 so
[27:32] they're just going to reappoint y'all
[27:35] because y'all both of y'all's terms it
[27:36] says was going to expire in 2020 how was
[27:40] how would both of y'all's expired in
[27:43] 2020 like I said but that fits with but
[27:47] that fits with the latest list where
[27:49] you're
[27:50] 2025 if you're going to go for a 5year
[27:52] period And if they're appointing you in
[27:54] 2020 that makes sense yeah somebody
[27:56] wrote that down right right didn't
[28:00] M so is that on the second page it's on
[28:03] the second page uhuh about let's see one
[28:04] two three four five six will paragraph
[28:07] down small paragraph yeah okay I'm going
[28:11] try start by that Mark
[28:14] that all right so January of
[28:20] 2020 you were reappointed that's why
[28:22] yours is correct
[28:26] 2025
[28:28] so if Bobby was reappointed in 2020 then
[28:32] that means Tim Morris would have to go
[28:35] by the
[28:37] 2020 until we figure out why there was
[28:41] two expiring in 20 20 20 that's right but yeah but you see that's when
[28:47] Bobby was reappointed too 2020 so you
[28:50] are Tim's feeling that you're correct
[28:53] but this ain't
[28:55] yeah yeah
[29:05] but each everyone except the associate
[29:09] member is supposed well even the
[29:10] associate member is supposed to roll off
[29:12] one is supposed to roll off every year
[29:14] once a year mm so yeah but even even
[29:17] with there's six on there the Associates
[29:19] on there so if everyone if one rolls off
[29:22] every five years then see that's messed
[29:24] up too because you've got six on the
[29:25] board yeah the the associate member is
[29:30] the way I felt like everybody has
[29:34] approached it is just a floating
[29:38] member that's the only time I can
[29:41] remember when uh when um Miss dellis
[29:45] actually got to vote on business that's
[29:47] the only time I remember an associate
[29:50] member doing that but I'm sure it's
[29:54] happened I was associate member when I
[29:56] first got a
[30:01] appointed it would be nice if we could
[30:04] find the
[30:05] local
[30:07] uh when this was established the
[30:10] bza because the information here is like
[30:13] it was initially established and how to
[30:15] start the initial board right so you got
[30:19] to remember that uh what we have to go
[30:23] by is our current zoning resolution
[30:27] which was revised in
[30:30] 2006 but we were dealing with zoning
[30:33] prior to that I wasn't in government I
[30:35] can't attest to what was done or how
[30:37] they did it and I don't know that we'd
[30:40] be able to go back that far but I'm
[30:42] assuming that little sentence right
[30:44] there happened prior to 2006 yeah that
[30:48] was like I said that was a sentence
[30:50] termin with those terminology of that
[30:52] description there would fit an initial
[30:55] beginning of the board
[30:58] probably I can't I can't argue with that
[31:01] I'd say you're right it says but here's
[31:04] our zoning resolution it
[31:07] says the board of zoning appeal shall
[31:10] consist of five members appointed by the
[31:13] Coffee County Commission the board
[31:16] members shall be appointed to fiveyear
[31:20] terms however the initial appointments
[31:23] shall be arranged so that one member
[31:26] will expire
[31:27] each year okay that's if we would start
[31:31] from scratch with this language you'd
[31:33] have okay number one you're going to
[31:35] have a one-year term number two you're
[31:37] going to have a two-year term number
[31:38] three you're going to have a three-year
[31:39] ter number four you're going to have
[31:40] four number five you're going to have
[31:41] five that's how it would have been
[31:44] handled initially by this language I'm
[31:47] going to say that language that we're
[31:49] looking at on that uh committee
[31:52] membership list is probably language
[31:56] that was done in 2004 2001 who knows
[32:01] right what I do know is this is current
[32:04] and the TCA rules uh that would it not
[32:08] have been applied at that designation
[32:12] there when that was accepted that they
[32:14] have not reassigned all the people to
[32:17] this board you would
[32:18] think you and I weren't there okay we
[32:21] don't know okay I just I was just asking
[32:24] if anybody knew so yeah okay
[32:27] but we did find out in 2020 that you and
[32:31] Bobby Bryant were reappointed for
[32:33] fiveyear terms in 20120 yeah you know
[32:37] after we figured this
[32:38] out uh
[32:41] TCA says we have to have have to have
[32:46] three or five can't have four can't have
[32:50] two can't have six it must be three or
[32:55] five now if you're
[32:57] I'm reading this handout this the the
[33:00] county legislative body shall be the
[33:03] appointing power of the members
[33:07] okay of such board appeals and may fix
[33:10] their
[33:11] compensation and their terms which terms
[33:15] shall be of such length and so arranged
[33:18] that the term of one member will expire
[33:21] each year we have the latitude if you
[33:25] will to change the this 5year
[33:28] term uh that's in our zoning resolution
[33:33] that's our language
[33:36] uh TCA says we can fix the term we can
[33:40] make it 10year ter we could make it any
[33:43] but we got to fix it where one member
[33:45] expires each year all right you got to
[33:47] have a roll off yeah so okay well we can
[33:50] get to that point yeah we have to
[33:52] understand where we got to where we are
[33:54] now we got to make it fair we can't just
[33:56] I don't think we can just go wipe out
[33:58] all the memberships and start from
[34:00] scratch I mean uh these guys we've never
[34:03] our Planning Commission has a good track
[34:06] record our uh who only makes
[34:08] recommendations by the way they don't
[34:10] make binding decisions this board makes
[34:12] binding decisions we've never been
[34:15] challenged uh it's it's really a tough
[34:19] job and we've done a pretty good I mean
[34:21] well you wouldn't want to start from
[34:22] scratch anyway because you lose your
[34:23] brain trust and everybody that kind of
[34:25] sees what goes through it
[34:27] you're correct all right so I think we
[34:31] need to move to
[34:33] 2019 okay go to the second page and
[34:35] about six down I
[34:38] see y want to read that section
[34:42] okay to reappoint Kevin
[34:48] Cy L Duke there's all three of them the
[34:52] three that expire this year there they
[34:54] are three that's that's what happened is
[34:56] that year they were all three appointed
[34:58] mhm mhm so they were done and if they
[35:00] were trying to fill three expiring
[35:02] positions at that point they should have
[35:03] said okay you're going to do one you're
[35:05] going to do two and you're going to do
[35:06] three right but they were theyo they
[35:09] just put five years on every one of
[35:11] those okay so if they're being
[35:12] reappointed then that means they were
[35:14] already on there five years prior
[35:17] correct uh reappointed that's what that
[35:20] means I don't know about Sammy Morton JR
[35:23] but I'm think Lyal Duke had been on
[35:26] there prior to this
[35:28] date and I'm pretty sure Kevin sap had
[35:33] been on there prior to this
[35:37] date uh I I don't
[35:40] know if Sammy Morton was or not I just
[35:43] don't remember I think I was already
[35:46] there but I think I was I may have still
[35:48] been an associate member for all I know
[35:52] all right so well the way it's written
[35:54] it would say that they're all were
[35:56] already there because they it says they
[35:58] all were reappointed that's a good point
[36:01] so
[36:04] reappoint because it list all three of
[36:06] them yeah and and you and Bobby were
[36:08] reappointed so that means y'all had been
[36:09] on there probably since 2015 2015
[36:13] so okay so all right reappointed
[36:20] K S
[36:24] Morton and El Duke and that works then
[36:28] those four the 24 dates work yeah
[36:31] because they were all reappointed in
[36:33] 2019 that's five years so
[36:36] that's the math is right just not
[36:40] the just not how they all went on just
[36:43] not the process right we've got to
[36:46] Anchor the
[36:49] process okay well we're find
[36:51] clarification
[36:53] there let's keep going all right digs a
[36:57] little
[36:58] deeper
[37:00] 2018 you done found no not
[37:03] yet been quicker than me well I was
[37:06] scanning while y'all were talking a
[37:08] little bit and I was like
[37:12] okay British Beer board I wouldn't be
[37:18] purchasing I wouldn't be surprised if we
[37:20] don't see one coming off on
[37:25] 18
[37:29] there's appointment to the Planning
[37:30] Commission but I don't see the
[37:47] bza I don't see
[37:49] it not not an 18 at
[37:52] all yeah which that don't surprise me if
[37:55] they were just reappointed in 19 all
[37:58] three of them and they even talked about
[38:00] a resolution to reone some things but I
[38:02] don't see the bz egg bu it
[38:07] on I think it looks as though it got
[38:16] skipped I'm going to be willing to bet
[38:18] we're going to find back in 2015
[38:22] probably let's
[38:25] see
[38:30] we're going to
[38:33] find
[38:35] that the problem goes beyond 15
[38:48] years all right so we're back to 2017 is what I'm looking
[38:55] at
[39:01] judicial
[39:03] planed
[39:06] communication
[39:17] Industrials have appointment to the
[39:19] Planning
[39:25] Commission
[39:35] we just haven't
[39:36] been doing it have we don't look
[39:41] like I just don't see
[39:55] it
[40:06] well y'all didn't say one 2017
[40:12] no I did not
[40:19] see 2016 we're moving on
[40:25] here
[40:35] Capital outlay beer
[40:38] board
[40:41] purchasing County
[40:44] Corner ra roads and
[40:48] bridges
[40:53] 911 a
[40:55] ComEd
[40:58] Service
[40:59] Officer planning Carol Willis and Paul
[41:02] Elum to Planning
[41:10] Commission yeah and see those are
[41:12] fouryear terms those are but nobody can
[41:17] find that in print I mean we're not
[41:20] dealing with the Planning Commission I
[41:21] just find that unusual but our Planning
[41:24] Commission and I
[41:27] uh well there's a there's an active
[41:29] search underway for definition and
[41:31] responsibility of committees standing
[41:33] committees so that did I give you the
[41:35] one for Capital outlay did I give you
[41:37] that copy yes okay thought you brought
[41:40] that back into me
[41:43] yeah the uh one discussion that somebody
[41:48] suggested that the fiveyear terms were
[41:51] set up by by we made that decision prior
[41:56] to us when I say we the cof county uh
[41:58] commission to the bza needed politics
[42:03] should not have any
[42:05] political U overtones so that's why the
[42:10] mayor does not appoint and fiveyear
[42:15] terms uh goes beyond a four-year term
[42:19] of some legislative body members and the
[42:22] mayor you know when you get right down
[42:24] to it that the fiveyear term means that
[42:26] goes beyond election cycles and that's
[42:29] what somebody said I I would have not
[42:31] thought of that but it sort of made
[42:33] sense when they said
[42:35] it all right
[42:38] 2016 have y'all seen a bza appointment
[42:41] not yet I have
[42:48] not well that was dealt with a lot in
[42:51] that
[42:54] meeting but nothing busy
[43:25] y yeah I don't see
[43:27] it what's the
[43:29] PBA PBA public building authority that
[43:34] took care of
[43:36] our conference center a zoning
[43:38] resolution but there weren
[43:41] any what anything there so nothing in
[43:44] the
[43:50] 2016 all right
[43:55] 2015
[44:05] there's
[44:08] notaries
[44:09] purchasing beer
[44:25] board
[44:54] for
[44:56] rural roads and bridges agricultural
[45:02] committee County Corner
[45:07] Communications the adult orientation
[45:09] board Remains the
[45:13] Same I've even heard of that one
[45:24] lately appointments to the Planning
[45:26] Commission but not
[45:32] BCA this says
[45:35] this it's interesting because we're
[45:37] looking at all these committees and
[45:39] we're here to deal with one I know I
[45:41] hate this that I have to keep bringing
[45:43] but right here it says a motion made by
[45:47] Brian seconded by Kelly to approve Chris
[45:50] Anderson Lee Ducket and Allan Howard to
[45:53] the Planning Commission and I thought we just saw where Chris Anderson
[45:58] was appointed just a few ones back we
[46:01] did so he was going appointed to
[46:03] something well it was the Planning
[46:04] Commission was it then that was it yeah
[46:06] and uh we're not dealing with the
[46:09] Planning Commission but that and and
[46:11] that might end that might mean he was
[46:14] appointed to fill uh the remaining days
[46:17] of the term true
[46:22] yeah I know seeing Allen Howard's name I
[46:25] know
[46:26] he uh resigned from the Planning
[46:28] Commission at one point and I was
[46:32] appointed to take his place
[46:35] so there a interesting side
[46:40] note I still don't see anything here I
[46:44] don't see anything on bza you I do
[46:53] not and these minutes were approv
[46:55] approved in the following you know
[46:58] commission meeting so yeah if something
[47:00] was wrong someone would have caught it I
[47:03] mean like it instead of the Planning
[47:04] Commission it was the bza or something
[47:06] you know some mistake like that it would
[47:08] have been caught in a later should and
[47:10] updated yeah yeah it should the then
[47:13] these would have been revised correct
[47:16] I'm pretty sure she goes back oh
[47:20] yeah and amends when required because
[47:24] they're not official until they V voted
[47:26] on the next meeting and and looking
[47:28] through several of those today that they
[47:30] say revised so when they're yeah they've
[47:33] gone back and them they've revised them
[47:43] so we're back for my time now says mayor
[47:47] Pennington amended the agenda yall look
[47:50] at
[47:51] 2014 okay
[47:53] yeah so this was before four years
[47:59] yeah my first that was the election year
[48:03] I think I started in
[48:11] 15 that's that's not good man look at
[48:14] how many how many years there now since
[48:15] no one several years in in a row before
[48:20] anything was
[48:23] appointed beer board county corn
[48:40] roads here's another known the planning
[48:43] motion made to approve Allan Howard
[48:45] replacing Austin Anderson and Steve
[48:49] Cunningham replacing Forest frame to the
[48:52] Planning
[48:54] Commission
[49:00] Budget Finance oh here we
[49:03] go Motion made by Brian and seconded by
[49:07] Ducket for the following members to
[49:10] remain the same on the board of zoning
[49:14] appeals
[49:16] Connie Larry Gary cordale LEL Duke Kevin
[49:22] sou Sam Morton and Bobby
[49:33] bran that's one two three four five six
[49:37] so it does not say who was the associate
[49:41] and who which five was the full members
[49:45] but I would like to point out Sam
[49:50] Morton the late Sam Morton that's be I
[49:54] think he passed away during his term and
[50:00] Samy Morton JR was uh confirmed to
[50:05] replace his father and I bet you that
[50:09] will not be found in a January meeting
[50:12] it would be found right uh during the the fiscal year sometime or the
[50:18] calendar
[50:19] year when Mr Morton passed
[50:24] away
[50:28] sometime in that 2014 maybe
[50:31] year between that and 2015 maybe he did
[50:35] had to be
[50:36] yeah so we
[50:39] know Lal Duke and Kevin thy who are
[50:42] current members were there in
[50:46] 2014 we know they were there prior to
[50:49] 2014 because there it says the following
[50:53] members to remain the same
[51:02] right
[51:12] so now and and you want see we don't
[51:16] really know why what they mean the
[51:18] same so are they reappointed all at the
[51:22] same time and now they all have fiveyear
[51:24] terms that's good question question so
[51:26] we don't know what they mean by that re
[51:29] to remain the same well we don't know
[51:30] how long they've been there we all know
[51:33] they were there at that point I guess we
[51:36] need to see the standing committee list
[51:40] at that time
[51:42] yeah that's not a standing
[51:46] committee the board is zoning appeals is
[51:48] not a standing committee okay it's still
[51:51] on your list you're going to have
[51:53] committee list okay right but a standing
[51:55] committee is made up of full legislative
[51:57] body members only okay see in the
[52:01] bza uh it only requires one it can have
[52:06] it let's see I get planning and the bza
[52:09] mixed up like the Planning Commission
[52:12] can have as many full legislative bodies
[52:15] members as we approve as long as they
[52:18] don't make up the
[52:21] majority so of uh seven members there
[52:24] can't be four four legislative body
[52:26] members there can be
[52:28] three all right the board of zoning
[52:31] appeals says
[52:34] one one must be must one and then
[52:38] another must be from the Planning
[52:40] Commission so forth so forth well I
[52:43] noticed that in 2014 these were all made
[52:48] you know members to remain the same yep
[52:50] but three of
[52:52] those were re reappointed in 2019 and I
[52:57] know it says it doesn't say junior on
[52:58] Sammy Morton but it does say reappoint
[53:02] Sammy Morton Jun and that's five years
[53:04] from from 14 to 19 so those three were
[53:08] in five years were reappointed those
[53:10] three were and then Bobby was
[53:13] reappointed the next year in 15 H and
[53:17] then you were added in
[53:24] 15
[53:31] bab
[53:54] burn
[54:07] it doesn't look like they've got
[54:09] somebody coming off every year do I it
[54:13] just doesn't look like they've got
[54:14] somebody coming off every year it look
[54:16] like I don't know we haven't run ACR we
[54:19] have not run across one meeting in
[54:22] January where they appointed one member
[54:25] have we no no we've it's been multiple
[54:29] members when they have been
[54:31] reappointed so someone hasn't been
[54:33] reading and exactly and remember we're supposed to be complying with our
[54:40] own zoning resolution which was
[54:45] uh what's that read 06 06 8 years prior
[54:50] to this right
[54:54] here all right on 13 on page two it's
[54:57] one two three
[54:59] four five six
[55:05] down Connie Larry Gary Cordell and Bobby
[55:16] Bryan Ain that something you
[55:21] have three members approved that year
[55:25] yep those same three members were
[55:28] approved the next year
[55:54] yep
[56:03] this is co this is so convoluted at this
[56:07] point we're just going to have who's the
[56:09] oldest folks on the
[56:12] commission and I mean suggest a you know
[56:15] here's where we need to start and start
[56:17] with that
[56:19] description and then start this and make
[56:22] sure we do it every year from now on I
[56:24] mean this is this is so convoluted how
[56:26] are you going to figure all this check
[56:27] it all
[56:28] out because it hasn't been done right
[56:32] yet in in uh let's see we're 2014 yeah
[56:37] 11 years it hasn't been done right in 11
[56:44] years this is embarrassing
[56:49] folks well we can't dis we cannot take
[56:53] responsibility for the
[56:55] mistakes that we can take responsibility
[56:59] for correcting if we do it right if we
[57:01] do it right and and it's like I said and
[57:04] be fair yeah well it's like I said we
[57:06] might I mean we could do a lottery put
[57:08] all their names in a hat and draw them
[57:10] out and do it that way but I don't have
[57:12] any idea who has the most experience
[57:15] we'd have to depend on you two for who
[57:17] has the most experience and and try to
[57:18] line it up and make sure we F fulfill
[57:20] the other guidelines on
[57:23] here all right here 2012 I've already
[57:28] found on approved L Duke and Kevin
[57:32] S and it says Bobby Bryan as an
[57:34] associate member and also Bobby Bryan is
[57:36] an associate man it's the first time
[57:38] we've seen that it is except for H and
[57:41] deil so all
[57:44] right now this is on the second page it
[57:47] is about the
[57:48] seventh third paragraph
[57:51] up okay it gotcha okay Kevin
[57:55] [Music]
[57:57] S L
[58:09] Duke and B associate and and you wonder if they
[58:15] say oh we haven't done this so we need
[58:17] to get this done and if they did approve
[58:19] it and they did set it up staggered but
[58:21] they didn't record it that it was set up
[58:23] staggered mhm we have to go back and
[58:25] maybe look at like this sheet of the
[58:29] committee and see if they staggered them
[58:31] at the time they were elected because
[58:32] it's not indicated
[58:34] here we're gonna have to have Miss
[58:37] Teresa to give us some more reports
[58:39] aren't
[58:41] we yeah I think it just how deep do we
[58:44] want to dig they don't look like they've
[58:47] been doing it so it's just I thank you I
[58:50] we might have to I don't see anybody
[58:52] following the guidelines of our own so
[58:53] we may have to we we might just have to
[58:56] suggest something to the commission and
[58:59] let them vote on that or change it as
[59:01] that will we can
[59:05] take take the members that are
[59:09] there and
[59:13] uh somebody's going to need to expire this
[59:19] year basically and another name for next
[59:22] year another name for the following year
[59:25] and we should make a uh the the our
[59:29] zoning resolution does not speak to the
[59:34] associate
[59:38] member
[59:42] so uh regarding the
[59:46] term
[59:47] um unless we want to make that
[59:52] clarification well there again that
[59:55] that'd be hard to do be hard to have six
[59:58] one coming off every year when they
[1:00:00] 5year
[1:00:01] return
[1:00:06] yeah all right we're in
[1:00:08] 2011 well we're at least one thing we're
[1:00:11] going to figure out we're going to
[1:00:12] figure out who's been there the longest
[1:00:14] right right yes at least at least
[1:00:20] that and if the commission approves this
[1:00:23] then we're going to have have to send
[1:00:25] letters to those people asking them to
[1:00:28] this is what we found and asking them
[1:00:31] would they agree to the new
[1:00:34] setup because some of them you know like
[1:00:37] I
[1:00:39] said well I think everybody on that
[1:00:43] board agrees that it's it's uh we have
[1:00:48] oversight the full legislative body has
[1:00:51] oversight on this and if if if the full
[1:00:55] legislative body votes and agrees on it
[1:00:59] um I don't I know all of them pretty
[1:01:02] good I don't think anybody on the border
[1:01:04] zoning Fields would have a problem with
[1:01:06] fixing a problem
[1:01:12] no yeah let's let's do it by the book
[1:01:15] folks let's set it up and do
[1:01:19] it do you all see anything in
[1:01:23] 11
[1:01:25] yeah hindes requested to include Board
[1:01:27] of zoning appeals next
[1:01:30] January and the jail inspection
[1:01:33] committee should be
[1:01:34] presented by the law enforcement
[1:01:36] committee that was it's like yes on the
[1:01:40] fourth H requested to include board it's
[1:01:44] like they
[1:01:47] never talked about board is owning
[1:01:49] appeals or they didn't no it's just they
[1:01:51] requested to include the board in Pony
[1:01:53] zil next January next January and the J
[1:01:56] we're not going to deal with it this J
[1:01:58] let's see if they dealt with it uh well
[1:02:00] they didn't do it in 212 because there
[1:02:02] wasn't any report right well there was a
[1:02:05] 12 yeah there was Kevin sou L Duke and
[1:02:08] Bobby Bryan associate
[1:02:11] member that's right all right so let
[1:02:15] this going to be interesting let's see
[1:02:17] what happened in
[1:02:20] 2010 if
[1:02:23] anything
[1:02:31] can Corner bear
[1:02:34] board R
[1:02:36] roads
[1:02:39] a service officers Planning
[1:02:49] Commission I'll read this motion made by
[1:02:52] offered and seconded by Hogan for the
[1:02:55] Planning Commission to remain the
[1:02:58] same they are Lee Ducket Austin Anderson
[1:03:02] Virgil alord Carol Willis Charles Harris
[1:03:05] Gary Cordell and Forest Frank see Carol
[1:03:09] Willis that puts her is the oldest
[1:03:11] member of our Planning Commission uh see
[1:03:17] that's how that's how it would get
[1:03:19] messed up right there when you just
[1:03:21] approve all of them to remain the same
[1:03:25] yeah
[1:03:27] well that in itself says and if they're
[1:03:30] fiveyear terms or something then
[1:03:32] whoever's in the uh the mayor's office
[1:03:35] trying to compile committee list and
[1:03:37] term expiration dates they see this well
[1:03:40] there's five years on every one of them
[1:03:42] you know it's
[1:03:47] uh but I don't see the board zoning
[1:03:50] appeal do you guys no not on here
[1:03:55] n here on 2010 all right so in 2010
[1:04:01] no
[1:04:08] bza we're on our last one anyway
[1:04:12] mhm for the 15 years yeah purchasing
[1:04:17] beer
[1:04:18] board they always dealt with the beard
[1:04:20] board I seem like every time C Corner
[1:04:26] Communications service
[1:04:28] officers Planning Commission they always
[1:04:31] vote on that Carol Willis was there then
[1:04:34] industrial
[1:04:36] board
[1:04:41] Consolidated
[1:04:47] Equalization
[1:04:49] ad
[1:04:51] EMA Duck River agent
[1:04:56] see County Road list nothing no
[1:05:00] bza it appears as though as
[1:05:04] important and as powerful as the
[1:05:07] bza
[1:05:09] is it's sad that it received as little
[1:05:13] attention as it has yeah in years
[1:05:23] past
[1:05:40] um I'm sort of you know I wanted to
[1:05:43] bring all the details
[1:05:47] and the printed
[1:05:50] material to establish what we supposed
[1:05:53] to be doing and and what we do do and
[1:05:59] because I am a board of zoning appeals
[1:06:02] member I'm going to be reluctant in
[1:06:05] trying to
[1:06:06] steer the solution in any direction or
[1:06:09] another so I'm I'm not going to uh I
[1:06:15] will support any reasonable solution I
[1:06:18] think you you two uh guys come up with
[1:06:22] but um
[1:06:28] I like I said before I do feel like
[1:06:32] everybody that that I serve with on the
[1:06:35] board of zoning appeals will be
[1:06:39] perfectly okay with whatever the leg
[1:06:42] body they would probably like to be a
[1:06:43] part of the solution
[1:06:53] yeah
[1:07:08] so it is it
[1:07:10] is totally foar at this point we are not
[1:07:15] well the oldest the oldest serving
[1:07:18] members by the records we have before us
[1:07:22] are Kevin S and L
[1:07:26] Duke those yeah we have uh corroborated
[1:07:31] their appointments
[1:07:33] 2014 12 years ago right well they were
[1:07:37] yeah L Duke and Kevin Saturn 2012
[1:07:40] reappointed in 14 and in
[1:07:44] 19 and uh Sammy Morton come on in 2014
[1:07:49] and
[1:07:51] 2019 and then 2015 junior or senior you
[1:07:55] got to differentiate Junior was was on
[1:07:58] in 219 that's what they well they have
[1:08:00] Junior there I'd like to know is it
[1:08:02] junior or is it senior because in
[1:08:05] 19 uh no in 14 I'm pretty sure that
[1:08:08] would be senior yeah okay I'm pretty
[1:08:11] sure of
[1:08:12] that well and the only reason I say that
[1:08:15] is because it says reappoint in
[1:08:20] 19 uhuh uh Sam senior Sam senior passed
[1:08:26] away September 16th 2014 okay okay so
[1:08:30] they may have put Junior on in his what
[1:08:33] date was that and 14 what date of month
[1:08:36] what month September September so he had
[1:08:38] served he did four months Sam Morton
[1:08:42] senior passed away September September
[1:08:45] of
[1:08:46] 2014 okay so that would be Samy Morton
[1:08:49] Jr in 219 2019 thank you for that John
[1:08:53] call so it would be junior in 2019 yes
[1:08:56] yeah so this is going to be senior here
[1:08:59] in
[1:09:00] 2014 I'm wondering if they didn't put
[1:09:03] Junior in that spot uh after he
[1:09:10] passed and we can get in trouble for
[1:09:12] assuming but I would assume like I said
[1:09:13] when people read the minutes that they would correct things like that in
[1:09:19] the following yeah right and then we
[1:09:21] would see revised minutes I've been
[1:09:23] looking do a lot of this today the
[1:09:25] records and when they're revised it's mentioned in sh the revisions they
[1:09:30] do a good job in the clerk's
[1:09:34] office yeah Teresa goes over it pretty
[1:09:41] good Dennis it says reappoint Dennis
[1:09:44] hunt and Bobby Bryan
[1:09:47] in I think I think you went on to 2015
[1:09:50] didn't you 20 2020 okay I would have
[1:09:54] thought I mean I yeah reappointed in 20
[1:09:59] so if he was REO I was there before 2020
[1:10:02] so that's what I mean you might have
[1:10:03] went on in 15 if it was a five year you
[1:10:06] know what I
[1:10:08] mean but didn't say that here did it
[1:10:11] nope nothing in 2015 I I know good and
[1:10:16] well well you were reappointed in 2020
[1:10:20] right and that fits with the what the
[1:10:22] date is here on the presid list 25 to
[1:10:24] roll off so that fits and so you would
[1:10:26] have been originally maybe appointed
[1:10:28] into 2015 that's what I was thinking
[1:10:30] maybe you back that
[1:10:32] up so that that works out there but in
[1:10:36] the 2015 minutes there's no bza
[1:10:39] appointment whatsoever correct that we
[1:10:51] found yeah we only see in 23 and 20 and
[1:10:56] 19 and 14 and 13 and 12 and 11 anything
[1:11:02] appointed to bza those are the only
[1:11:05] years so and most of those the last 15
[1:11:09] yeah and they said keep it the same and
[1:11:11] all that type of stuff so we don't know
[1:11:14] exactly what keep it the same meant
[1:11:16] maybe keep the same people but what did
[1:11:18] we do with their expiration
[1:11:22] term
[1:11:35] and commissioner hin it appeared as
[1:11:39] though she picked up on it and said hey
[1:11:43] we need to put the board zoning appeals
[1:11:45] on next January that was what was in the
[1:11:48] minutes right right
[1:11:51] mhm they saw that they had missed it
[1:11:54] there
[1:11:56] too I think we need to get this
[1:12:00] addressed so our longest members are L
[1:12:04] duuk and Kevin
[1:12:05] sap
[1:12:09] correct that's what I'm and Tim and Tim
[1:12:12] Morris just went on in 2023 to replace
[1:12:15] Bobby bran
[1:12:17] yes and Brian was reappointed in
[1:12:20] 2020 right so he would been rolling off
[1:12:23] in
[1:12:24] 2025 so I would think that Tim Morris
[1:12:27] needs to roll off in
[1:12:28] 2025 correct and that maybe that's a
[1:12:31] typo right yeah I'm I'm following you
[1:12:33] there
[1:12:37] yeah I think but Dennis would also come
[1:12:41] off in 2025 yeah so we've got to we got
[1:12:43] to fix that
[1:12:47] uh after I said I wasn't going to get
[1:12:50] involved I was thinking but I'll let
[1:12:52] y'all keep
[1:12:54] talk well
[1:12:57] um so which 2025 is just so this year
[1:13:02] somebody needs to come off this this
[1:13:03] year I mean they can get reappointed but
[1:13:05] somebody does need to and that would I
[1:13:06] would think that would need to be L
[1:13:12] Kevin or even Sammy Junior if you got
[1:13:16] all six names yeah I have them in my
[1:13:18] head but okay I was thinking arrange all
[1:13:21] six names in what we know is the
[1:13:25] longevity of their membership of that
[1:13:28] bza which uh Helen was brought on in
[1:13:32] [Music]
[1:13:33] 20123
[1:13:35] so little du K the other definition by
[1:13:39] who has to be on
[1:13:41] that correct because we just you just
[1:13:44] need one commission member one must be
[1:13:48] from the full legislative body right
[1:13:51] another is the word another shall be
[1:13:55] from the Planning Commission okay so
[1:13:57] that's a must shall be is a must and one
[1:14:00] should be a full-time farmer okay
[1:14:06] yeah so actually the two oldest
[1:14:11] members
[1:14:14] are not of those three
[1:14:22] categories
[1:14:24] and then we need a a
[1:14:26] farmer now what is your definition of
[1:14:29] farmer we had a long discussion about
[1:14:33] that okay because I felt like a
[1:14:37] full-time farmer means that's all his
[1:14:41] entire livelihood is made from
[1:14:45] Agriculture and
[1:14:47] uh I didn't think we had anybody on
[1:14:50] there that fit that description
[1:14:54] and there was a lot of push back on it
[1:14:57] so I dropped the subject what uh what
[1:15:01] does our state recognized as a we
[1:15:04] couldn't find it they Define agriculture
[1:15:07] and they Define farming and all that but
[1:15:10] a farmer we couldn't really find it
[1:15:15] okay there somebody that is working some
[1:15:19] percentage of the
[1:15:21] ground whether they work another job at
[1:15:24] midnight and I tell you I know lots of
[1:15:27] individuals that that's all they do
[1:15:30] that's all they've ever done they get up
[1:15:32] every morning put on them overalls and
[1:15:34] they're plowing or feeding cows or doing
[1:15:37] something you know what I'm
[1:15:38] saying yes sir well it looks like um you
[1:15:43] and Tim are scheduled to come off in
[1:15:45] 2025 and
[1:15:47] LOL Kevin and Sammy they they got
[1:15:50] reappointed in 2019 their schedule time
[1:15:52] is 24 which one of them needs and then
[1:15:56] Helen was put on in 23 so hers is
[1:16:00] 2028
[1:16:05] but we're gonna have
[1:16:11] to and I tell you what we can we can uh
[1:16:16] we can
[1:16:19] suggest
[1:16:21] a an amendment to our zoning
[1:16:25] resolution uh we the full the okay and
[1:16:30] this how this process works if we amend
[1:16:33] the zoning resolution and when I say
[1:16:36] that I'm I'm thinking uh
[1:16:40] this six members we actually have six
[1:16:43] people on the
[1:16:46] bza and if we have fiveyear terms and
[1:16:51] one comes off every year that don't work
[1:16:54] we could uh suggest
[1:16:59] a one uh six-year term you could do that
[1:17:03] got six members one has to come off one
[1:17:06] term has to expire every year we could
[1:17:11] suggest to the uh we this ad hoc
[1:17:16] committee would have to first suggest an
[1:17:19] amendment to the zoning resolution to
[1:17:22] the planning committee
[1:17:24] the Planning Commission has to make a
[1:17:27] recommendation to the full legislative
[1:17:29] body for any text whatsoever to be
[1:17:34] changed in our zoning
[1:17:37] resolution so approve a legislative
[1:17:39] committee then the full legislative body
[1:17:42] takes the recommendation of the Planning
[1:17:45] Commission and either approves or
[1:17:48] rejects and if we approve it then the
[1:17:51] language in zoning resolution would wind
[1:17:53] up being what this ad hoc committee
[1:17:55] decided fixes the problem if you guys
[1:18:00] think we need to do that my I like that
[1:18:03] but what I'm thinking if we're trying to
[1:18:07] keep it neutral and objective and not
[1:18:10] any political uh overtones to it why
[1:18:14] don't you make it every three
[1:18:16] years then you're rotating uh
[1:18:19] Commissioners and things like that uh
[1:18:21] well then but it it keeps from that it
[1:18:23] keeps from having five or six members
[1:18:25] and and having to carry over and make up
[1:18:27] and if you had them every three years
[1:18:30] that rollover would take care of that
[1:18:32] problem it would be a solution in itself
[1:18:34] but you have six members and terms
[1:18:37] expire in three years because you you've
[1:18:40] got two people at least two people
[1:18:42] rolling off every time we saw this you
[1:18:44] had two people rolling off or being
[1:18:45] reapproved oh so you're saying two
[1:18:47] should come off every year every three
[1:18:50] years yeah you you you put everybody on
[1:18:52] there for three years years and every and every year two would roll
[1:18:56] off oh every year two that's not going
[1:18:58] to work okay TCA see that goes contrary
[1:19:02] to TCA TCA plainly says one member's
[1:19:07] term shall expire each year okay so we
[1:19:11] would have to keep it at five address
[1:19:14] the floating associate member address it
[1:19:18] separately or go to six-year terms and
[1:19:22] count the associate just like we would a
[1:19:24] full member that's what I cuz we set the
[1:19:27] terms TCA says one member comes off or
[1:19:32] expires right everybody we
[1:19:36] atast every year yeah one Member One
[1:19:41] member's term shall expire each year and
[1:19:44] six years would would take care of the
[1:19:46] associate also if we wanted to do that
[1:19:51] yeah
[1:19:54] I wish this ad hoc committee had had
[1:19:57] been assigned to to figure out
[1:20:02] the terms of our Planning Commission
[1:20:05] members but we were not so I'm not going
[1:20:07] to say we need to address that this is problem at this point now that
[1:20:11] we have delved into this and have all
[1:20:13] this information in front of us because
[1:20:17] uh I don't see it in print
[1:20:20] anywhere in our zoning res solution I
[1:20:23] could not find it and others have not
[1:20:25] either what the term length and TCA
[1:20:28] doesn't full legislative body controls
[1:20:31] term
[1:20:33] length if we keep the present members
[1:20:36] that are on there and just reassign the
[1:20:39] term ending would seem to be the most
[1:20:42] simple thing to do that's kind of what I
[1:20:45] had wrote down right here if we could
[1:20:46] keep the current members and then
[1:20:48] reassign years that they need to come
[1:20:51] off correct and then from there
[1:20:54] forward well then next January we would
[1:20:56] reappoint the person rolling off right
[1:20:59] so 2024 even though I know January has
[1:21:02] passed but somebody needs to come off
[1:21:04] this year and be reappointed this year I
[1:21:06] think correct it has to 24 so and I had
[1:21:10] put LOL just as a name because he was
[1:21:12] been the longest running uh but so his
[1:21:15] site so I put him as 25 and Sammy is 26
[1:21:17] you is 27 more is 20 you know just as an
[1:21:20] example but give everybody a roll off
[1:21:23] year one person comes off a
[1:21:26] year that that is my opinion is the most
[1:21:30] logical Choice arrange them in uh
[1:21:35] chronological order who's been there the
[1:21:37] longest and they get the first ending
[1:21:41] term right which is 2024 somebody's term
[1:21:44] should be assigned to 2024 okay and that
[1:21:48] keeps your that keeps your brain trust
[1:21:50] people that have the experience right
[1:21:51] correct yeah now do we do we fulfill the
[1:21:54] other descriptions we got one
[1:21:56] commissioner one planning committee
[1:21:58] member and planning committee member and
[1:22:00] one
[1:22:01] farmer do we still have that on yeah we
[1:22:04] do because everybody's going to be the
[1:22:06] same and if LOL is okay with staying on
[1:22:09] I don't care that you know I'm to re
[1:22:11] reappoint if that's what he wants to do
[1:22:14] you know well that's going to be the the
[1:22:18] like I said the full legislative body
[1:22:19] points somebody has to nominate from the
[1:22:23] okay and so to help people in the future
[1:22:26] we can indicate by their name what
[1:22:28] position they fulfill commissioner or a
[1:22:30] farmer or Planning Commission we can do
[1:22:33] that by their name should be
[1:22:35] commissioner yeah I've always made it so
[1:22:37] that's very public that uh who is what
[1:22:42] well it wasn't indicated here no it was
[1:22:45] our farmer who is our farmer Sammy
[1:22:48] Morton JR is who
[1:22:51] consider
[1:22:53] and uh Tim he works for the city
[1:22:56] Manchester City Fire Department uh not
[1:22:59] anymore he left there that's why I know
[1:23:02] that I know that I was getting to that
[1:23:04] okay sorry I was getting to that that's
[1:23:06] what I sort of had a problem with the
[1:23:08] designation of full-time farmer when
[1:23:10] you're pulling down a pretty good chat
[1:23:12] cross the city I see you know but Sammy
[1:23:15] does Farm uh and he he did tell me a few
[1:23:20] months ago he said I'm going to be
[1:23:21] retired so I will be a full-time farmer
[1:23:24] so but we're just trying to get this
[1:23:25] reestablished and then the commiss if we
[1:23:27] indicate that on that list then the
[1:23:29] Commissioners whoever's rep okay we need
[1:23:31] a farmer this year or we need a see the
[1:23:34] commissioner is Morris and what was the
[1:23:36] other one we had to have the what now a
[1:23:38] planning a plan Planning Commission one
[1:23:42] member which is you Dennis wait a minute
[1:23:44] let me read this out loud let's read
[1:23:46] that back
[1:23:48] yeah from our zoning resolution there's
[1:23:53] my glasses I'm
[1:23:54] [Laughter]
[1:23:57] looking
[1:24:01] okay powers of the
[1:24:04] board the Coffee County Board this is
[1:24:08] section
[1:24:11] 10.70 Coffee County Board of zoning
[1:24:14] appeals this is the paragraph from our
[1:24:18] zoning resolution not TCA the Coffee
[1:24:21] County Board is owning appeals is hereby
[1:24:23] established in accordance with
[1:24:26] 13-7 d106 through 13-7
[1:24:30] 109 of the Tennessee code annotated the
[1:24:33] board of zoning appeal shall consist of
[1:24:36] five members appointed by the Coffee
[1:24:40] County Commission period the board
[1:24:43] members shall be appointed to fiveyear
[1:24:46] terms however the initial appointment
[1:24:49] shall be arranged so that the term of
[1:24:51] one member will expire each year period
[1:24:55] And I will say what we had just
[1:24:57] discussed and suggested does exactly
[1:25:00] that okay okay now the last the next
[1:25:04] sentence in that paragraph one member of
[1:25:07] this board shall be a CO County
[1:25:11] Commissioner another a member of the
[1:25:14] Planning Commission period one member of
[1:25:18] the board should be a full-time farmer
[1:25:21] should sort of is like a wiggle word but
[1:25:24] it is derived from sh so we do your best
[1:25:28] to do that but if you can't then yeah I
[1:25:30] think I think I think that signifies
[1:25:35] shall so and we have we have that
[1:25:38] established we have uh kept it that way
[1:25:42] and
[1:25:45] so that way when I'm at the Planning
[1:25:48] Commission like when I go to a board of
[1:25:50] zoning appeals uh
[1:25:53] meeting sometimes we're asked to change
[1:25:57] a uh a decision that are uh direct let
[1:26:03] me let me just powers of the
[1:26:06] board three there's three powers pretty
[1:26:11] explicit doesn't give us a lot of
[1:26:13] latitude that's why I've seen some
[1:26:15] people walk out of this room crying you
[1:26:18] know U because we can't do what they
[1:26:21] want us to do do the board of zoning
[1:26:24] appeal shall have the following powers
[1:26:27] administrative review to hear and decide
[1:26:31] appeals where it is alleged by the
[1:26:33] appellant that there is error in any
[1:26:37] order requirement permit decision
[1:26:40] determination or refusal made by the
[1:26:44] zoning administrator or other
[1:26:46] administrative official in the carrying
[1:26:49] out of enforcement of any provision of
[1:26:53] this resolution that means if somebody
[1:26:55] just doesn't agree with what Curt or
[1:26:59] zoning administrator his decision if
[1:27:03] they don't like it they think he's made
[1:27:05] a mistake they have uh evidence that
[1:27:09] he's messed up we can overturn his
[1:27:12] decision all right that's the first
[1:27:14] Power special exception to hear and
[1:27:17] decide applications for special
[1:27:19] exceptions as specified in this resol
[1:27:22] olution which there's a lot of special
[1:27:24] exceptions listed in the text of the
[1:27:28] zoning resolution and for decisions on
[1:27:31] any special questions upon which the
[1:27:33] board of zoning appeals is authorized to
[1:27:35] pass you know that's pretty widespread
[1:27:38] but in matters of direct
[1:27:41] airs the board shall refer to Tennessee
[1:27:45] code annotated section 13-3 d48 to
[1:27:48] determine the proper division of
[1:27:50] property and that that's somebody's
[1:27:53] handing down a farm people get to
[1:27:55] arguing about it I guess we can help
[1:27:57] them decide who gets what I guess then
[1:28:01] the variance to that's number three the
[1:28:04] third power to hear and decide
[1:28:06] applications for variances from the
[1:28:09] terms of this resolution and we do that
[1:28:12] quite often just the other day in uh out
[1:28:15] at Lakewood Park a guy wanted to build
[1:28:17] his house we have a 25 foot sidey yard
[1:28:21] setback we gave him a variance of I
[1:28:26] think it was 5T so he had room to build
[1:28:30] the house he wanted to build with a 20
[1:28:32] foot sidey yard so that's that's one of
[1:28:36] the things we do and if his neighbor
[1:28:38] course and every time something like a
[1:28:40] variance or rezoning or something like
[1:28:42] that comes up the
[1:28:45] U get a letter they have to send a
[1:28:47] letter to the neighbors neighbors yeah
[1:28:50] and like if we decided that guy deserve
[1:28:52] this five foot and neighbor argued well
[1:28:54] the neighbor has to go to court to
[1:28:57] reverse our our the grant the granting
[1:29:00] of that variance so it's it's pretty
[1:29:04] powerful uh board and uh that's why I
[1:29:08] think it needs to be populated with
[1:29:12] people that understand what's going on
[1:29:14] and need to have a little compassion
[1:29:16] when you're dealing with people yeah
[1:29:20] so using that pattern that
[1:29:25] solves the problem it it establishes I
[1:29:28] gave you my um my list of
[1:29:30] members and it establishes it
[1:29:33] reestablishes the proper order right and
[1:29:36] then it puts us back on track right that
[1:29:39] next January whichever one's rolling off
[1:29:42] we understand what their position is
[1:29:44] whether they're commission Planning
[1:29:46] Commission meeting a member farmer or a
[1:29:48] farmer or whatever and that helps us to
[1:29:50] decide then right from the full
[1:29:52] commission during that meeting it can
[1:29:54] the nominations can come from the
[1:29:57] floor so we've accomplished that so do
[1:30:00] we add our so do we so our
[1:30:03] recommendation does that still have to
[1:30:05] go our recommendation to go to the
[1:30:08] planning uh well I haven't heard a
[1:30:10] motion putting all this together yet but
[1:30:13] are you leaning towards making the bza
[1:30:17] members sixe
[1:30:20] terms
[1:30:24] if we left it at five one of two things
[1:30:27] you can one of two things I think would
[1:30:29] be a appropriate either way if you make
[1:30:33] it a six-year term for that
[1:30:37] membership that has to be uh an
[1:30:40] amendment to the zoning resolution and
[1:30:44] or you could say that leave it five year
[1:30:47] for the full membership and the
[1:30:50] associate member is floating and could
[1:30:54] change annually or every five or you
[1:30:58] could you could word it to where the the
[1:31:01] five-year term does not apply to the
[1:31:04] associate member you could do you could
[1:31:06] do many things but that would also
[1:31:08] require amending the zoning resolution
[1:31:11] to state that can the can the associate
[1:31:15] member if she come off in 2028 at her
[1:31:18] regular time she would just come off
[1:31:19] with one regular member is that a
[1:31:21] problem having an associate come off
[1:31:23] with one regular
[1:31:25] member it it says that just as long as
[1:31:27] one I think we would be complying with
[1:31:31] TCA
[1:31:33] because it TCA says member right the
[1:31:39] associate member uh is not a member
[1:31:45] right just kind of like a a sub or feel
[1:31:47] in for an
[1:31:49] absent U member
[1:31:57] vacancies shall be filled I'm reading
[1:31:59] TCA now not our zoning resolution
[1:32:03] vacancies shall be filled for unexpired
[1:32:06] terms in the same manner is in the case
[1:32:08] of original ones meaning it would be uh
[1:32:12] nominations and approval by the full
[1:32:14] legislative body that's the way I take
[1:32:16] that sentence the county legislative
[1:32:20] body May appoint
[1:32:22] associate members of the board and in
[1:32:26] the event I want to back up may doesn't
[1:32:29] say shall we have because we've got
[1:32:32] associate members but it's the TCA says
[1:32:35] may appoint associate members of the
[1:32:38] board and in the event that any regular
[1:32:41] member see so they they differentiate
[1:32:44] they use the word regular
[1:32:47] member and in the event that any regular
[1:32:50] member be temp temporarily unable to act
[1:32:54] owing to absence from the county
[1:32:58] illness interest in a case before the
[1:33:01] board or other cause such associate
[1:33:05] members Place may be taken during such
[1:33:08] temporary disability by an associate
[1:33:11] member designated for the purpose by the
[1:33:15] county legislative
[1:33:17] body so it still doesn't address the ter
[1:33:22] well but it it gives us the
[1:33:25] opportunity to let like you said Float
[1:33:28] let the associate
[1:33:29] float and we
[1:33:31] could regular members are coming off
[1:33:35] term expires year yeah and then we could
[1:33:39] look at the associate every year I yeah
[1:33:41] to to approve or to roll off or whatever
[1:33:44] the commission whatever the commission
[1:33:47] Wills well I mean we have it sounds like
[1:33:49] we have that flexibility yeah and I
[1:33:52] think I think the the associate member
[1:33:55] can come off with a regular member and when there's a reappointment as long
[1:33:58] as it's put into the minutes when you
[1:34:01] reappoint a regular member that it put
[1:34:03] if you have to reappoint associate that
[1:34:05] it says associate that way it's not you
[1:34:08] know it says it in there it's not
[1:34:09] confusing to us I mean you know what I'm
[1:34:10] talking about yes I see what you're
[1:34:12] saying so as long as it says associate
[1:34:14] will know that one regular member got
[1:34:17] reappointed or appointed along with the
[1:34:20] associate
[1:34:22] but if that be the case she would come
[1:34:23] off in
[1:34:24] 2020 okay we're not changing anything
[1:34:27] we're just updating the
[1:34:30] dates so can this go directly to the
[1:34:33] commission without going through the
[1:34:34] legislative committee if we're not
[1:34:36] changing
[1:34:37] anything all we're doing is updating the
[1:34:39] dates yeah just to approve the current
[1:34:41] board and move
[1:34:44] forward at this time with one member
[1:34:46] coming off each year starting with the
[1:34:48] oldest member we're not changing the
[1:34:50] process no we're just change we're
[1:34:52] updating and bringing in line the
[1:34:56] dates of the
[1:34:58] terms so we're actually not changing
[1:35:01] anything of the
[1:35:04] process if I understand what you've been
[1:35:07] reading I'm I'm just reading I don't
[1:35:10] want
[1:35:10] to I'm looking at our remember TCA
[1:35:16] says that the legislative body May up
[1:35:21] Point associate members of the board
[1:35:24] may I don't see anything in here where
[1:35:27] it says associate member in our zoning
[1:35:31] resolution well we must have at least
[1:35:34] the minimum to apply to the TCA we've
[1:35:37] got to agree with that whatever we do we
[1:35:39] can add to that oh yeah but we've got to
[1:35:41] do the minimal of what TCA does correct okay so are we
[1:35:46] in with what I just said are we are we
[1:35:50] making it with TCA and our
[1:35:52] local yeah I mean nothing's been said
[1:35:54] about what y'all what I'm saying is
[1:35:58] where where's the language that says the
[1:36:01] county legislative
[1:36:04] body has associate member it's not in
[1:36:07] her zoning
[1:36:10] resolution correct no it's not I don't
[1:36:13] see it I may have to go out to the
[1:36:16] vehicle and get the full only the the
[1:36:20] County Board is owning a it doesn't say
[1:36:22] that we will have it does not say we
[1:36:24] will have an associate
[1:36:29] member the first one I seen But the TCA
[1:36:32] does TCA says we can may may I got
[1:36:38] you but the be the but the zoning
[1:36:41] resolution doesn't say we shall elect a
[1:36:47] associate
[1:36:49] member but we would be fulfilling the
[1:36:52] minimal requirements with TCA with May
[1:36:55] that means yeah we we've got the we
[1:36:56] we've got the okay to do
[1:36:58] that we would be fulfilling TCA
[1:37:01] requirements if we disregard an
[1:37:04] associate member allog
[1:37:06] together because they say we can say we
[1:37:08] don't have one right now we could almost
[1:37:10] say that because I don't see it in uh in
[1:37:13] the membership makeup of the board of
[1:37:16] zoning
[1:37:18] appeals so therefore there having said that let's just not deal with it
[1:37:24] the the fiveyear terms for the five
[1:37:27] regular members is y'all laid out
[1:37:31] works it
[1:37:33] works the associate member we may need
[1:37:36] to uh we this this would not have to go
[1:37:41] to the Planning Commission right if
[1:37:43] we're leaving every the we're not Chang
[1:37:45] we're not amending our Zone resolution
[1:37:47] right
[1:37:48] um and this has been done
[1:37:52] for the 15 years that we've looked
[1:37:55] through the they've had the associate in
[1:37:57] there already for that 15 years right
[1:37:59] yeah in 2012 somewhere some one in 2012
[1:38:04] Bobby bran was I guess and I don't know
[1:38:08] that since TCA says we may appoint one
[1:38:11] well we did appoint one right that's way
[1:38:15] it looks that's how we have to but our
[1:38:17] owna resolution don't even mention
[1:38:19] associate member that I
[1:38:21] and I could be mistaken I might need the
[1:38:23] whole book but this is where it says the
[1:38:26] makeup of the membership so having said
[1:38:30] that uh I
[1:38:33] think that we're good with what y'all
[1:38:37] have discussed I think I think that's proper way handling
[1:38:43] it I I would welcome any other solution
[1:38:45] but I think we've got Simplicity we've
[1:38:48] got application uh we we were
[1:38:52] accountable to uh TCA guidelines and and
[1:38:55] the best that we know from Planning
[1:38:57] Commission
[1:39:00] so I mean from from my opinion my pers
[1:39:05] perspective and you've got them written
[1:39:07] out there I do and and that's what I
[1:39:10] mean that's what do we so we need to
[1:39:12] make a motion uh yeah to approve the
[1:39:15] current board uh with one member coming
[1:39:19] off this year
[1:39:22] um would you like to make a motion
[1:39:24] starting with the oldest I I make a
[1:39:26] motion that we take the list as we've
[1:39:28] come up with there uh keeping the uh
[1:39:32] published names of the bza at this point
[1:39:37] and just
[1:39:38] adjusting their their uh dates of
[1:39:40] service rolling
[1:39:50] off
[1:39:54] and then do we just make the associate a
[1:39:56] an annual uh
[1:40:02] approval yeah we can just make the the
[1:40:05] associate an annual approval of the
[1:40:08] right now that's what we need I don't
[1:40:10] think we need to address it well that
[1:40:13] keeps us again from we we're still in
[1:40:15] compliance with everything oh yeah and
[1:40:17] we're not violating anything uh and
[1:40:20] that's been done we have that that
[1:40:23] record and simply because it's been done
[1:40:25] before that mean it's now but we're not
[1:40:27] in our observation of
[1:40:30] TCA U we're in
[1:40:36] compliance where I had the names there
[1:40:38] we're going to all right this is what
[1:40:41] you got
[1:40:49] okay
[1:40:55] you've made a motion I'm going to read
[1:40:56] your motion even though you didn't say
[1:41:01] all the mo cuz I'm secretary and I have
[1:41:04] to get this recorded but the motion to
[1:41:08] uh to to fix this uh conundrum we are in
[1:41:13] with the uh term expiration motion by
[1:41:17] commissioner Joe mik
[1:41:19] Hodge is that where are taking the five
[1:41:23] regular
[1:41:24] members arranging them so their
[1:41:28] terms would expire as such we're just
[1:41:32] adjusting their terms in order to repair
[1:41:37] or to reestablish and corre we've taken
[1:41:40] these as the we've we've wrote reviewed
[1:41:43] 15 years of records and these are the in
[1:41:46] chronological order as We Know It uh ly
[1:41:49] Duke's term will EXP expire
[1:41:52] 2024 Kevin Sap's term will expire
[1:41:57] 2025 Sammy Morton Jr's term will expire
[1:42:03] 2026 he is the required full-time farmer
[1:42:09] designation Dennis Hunt's term will
[1:42:12] expire
[1:42:14] 2027 he is the
[1:42:18] representative Planning Commission m Tim Morris will expire
[1:42:27] 2028 he is the
[1:42:30] representative commissioner full
[1:42:32] legislative body
[1:42:34] member Helen
[1:42:36] debellis
[1:42:38] is the associate member and
[1:42:43] we your motion for associate members
[1:42:48] would be to address associate member
[1:42:51] annually correct okay that way the the
[1:42:53] full body will be and that will help us
[1:42:56] to remember to do that
[1:43:01] maybe
[1:43:04] um okay that'll get second that motion
[1:43:08] okay okay all those in favor I I okay did you vote I did
[1:43:16] okay I did I well
[1:43:21] uh another thing I want to make uh clear the TCA
[1:43:34] regarding
[1:43:39] membership that I wanted to read
[1:43:41] legislative body vad zoning Authority P
[1:43:44] part the shall be appointing power of
[1:43:46] the members shall
[1:43:49] be we need to copy that sent so we can
[1:43:52] do that see it in the legislative
[1:43:54] committee yes so we get that next week
[1:43:56] and we can get that approved and then
[1:43:59] ship it on to the yes my secretary is
[1:44:02] going I I don't have that printed off
[1:44:04] because I didn't really there was some
[1:44:07] we have to remember the board of zoning
[1:44:11] appeals and the Planning Commission only
[1:44:14] deals with business and issues in rural
[1:44:20] coffee County they have no oversight
[1:44:23] whatsoever within the municipal
[1:44:25] boundaries of t or Manchester I would
[1:44:27] expect them to okay right yeah okay now
[1:44:31] uh there was a question about the
[1:44:35] membership does the members of the board
[1:44:39] of zoning
[1:44:42] appeals and the Planning Commission have
[1:44:44] to
[1:44:45] be rural
[1:44:48] residents what I found in TCA and I
[1:44:52] didn't print that because we wasn't
[1:44:54] really dealing with it uh because
[1:44:56] actually miss debellis lives within the
[1:44:58] city limits of Manchester what TCA uh
[1:45:02] States is that a majority of the body
[1:45:07] must reside in the territory in which
[1:45:10] they oversight or oversee so the county
[1:45:14] they have to most of them the majority
[1:45:15] have to be from the county so five three
[1:45:18] of them have to be rural residents but
[1:45:20] we're in good shape there all five are
[1:45:23] rural residents and Helen is an
[1:45:25] associate member we're nowhere near
[1:45:28] getting in uh okay we're we're compliant
[1:45:31] with that when we print
[1:45:34] this in the future it need those
[1:45:38] guidelines need to just like these
[1:45:39] guidelines are stipulated here those
[1:45:41] guidelines need to be stipulated and
[1:45:43] those indications of what position they
[1:45:46] feel needs to be there too just like
[1:45:47] Helen's the associate uh then we go back
[1:45:50] now and and and you'd be Planning
[1:45:53] Commission and Tim Morris would be
[1:45:55] commissioner they need to be signified
[1:45:57] by their name somehow so that we know
[1:45:59] when they're rolling off who we need to
[1:46:00] replace there just to help the people in
[1:46:02] the future right
[1:46:04] okay does that make sense
[1:46:07] yes and we need to stay stay on top of
[1:46:10] it that that we are compliant with those
[1:46:14] three designated positions
[1:46:18] yes yeah and it's just to give everybody
[1:46:20] a fair shake you know the me coming from
[1:46:24] the Planning Commission if I sit in on
[1:46:26] the bza I can I can uh relate all of the
[1:46:30] issues see the the the Planning
[1:46:34] Commission as has been stated does not
[1:46:38] make binding decisions but they
[1:46:41] confirm binding language that's in our
[1:46:45] zoning resolution they don't really make
[1:46:47] a decision on it they're just saying
[1:46:49] yeah this is what it's says and yes um
[1:46:52] ma'am sir you will have to do it this
[1:46:55] way you must do that you know we vote on
[1:46:57] it that's the way they do it and if it's
[1:47:00] uh amending the zoning
[1:47:03] resolution which if you have a piece
[1:47:06] property that fronts Highway 55 out
[1:47:09] there and it's R1 for housing but you
[1:47:11] want to put a little car lot it needs to
[1:47:13] be
[1:47:14] C1 that you come to the Planning
[1:47:16] Commission and asks for your property to
[1:47:18] be rezoned well that is amending the
[1:47:21] zoning resolution because the map our
[1:47:24] zoning map is is part of our zoning
[1:47:29] resolution and then we would vote on
[1:47:32] resoning your property and if it if we
[1:47:36] get a positive vote out of the Planning
[1:47:39] Commission that's not binding you go to
[1:47:41] the full legislative body then we vote
[1:47:44] as the Commissioners to change your
[1:47:47] zoning
[1:47:48] designation and
[1:47:51] I don't know that I've ever seen it fail
[1:47:54] generally I mean if the Planning
[1:47:55] Commission gives it a positive
[1:47:57] recommendation that means it's pretty
[1:47:59] much been run through the meal but uh
[1:48:02] anyway it's intriguing but the effort of
[1:48:05] this Administration this election cycle
[1:48:08] has been to clarify and to
[1:48:11] reestablish what should have been going
[1:48:13] on in order and I think that's what
[1:48:15] we're doing here I think that's another
[1:48:17] step in what we're doing is trying to
[1:48:19] make things clear
[1:48:20] uh make it objective uh and and that
[1:48:23] type of thing so I I think we've
[1:48:24] accomplished that maybe today unless
[1:48:26] somebody there's something that I
[1:48:28] compliance is the catch word compliance
[1:48:31] yeah I'm all for that so this will uh
[1:48:35] just need to be brought up at our next
[1:48:37] full commission meeting then yeah we
[1:48:39] will um just get a copy of this and send
[1:48:42] it to the legislative committee because
[1:48:45] we're supposedly the Clearing House so
[1:48:47] just get this and get it to me so I can
[1:48:49] get it on our agenda so we're ready to
[1:48:51] go to the full commission with it I
[1:48:53] don't think that's necessary but if
[1:48:56] y'all want to look at it you can because
[1:48:59] it's the the full legislative body is
[1:49:02] the one that uh we're responsible for
[1:49:06] the bza like I said I was just looking
[1:49:08] at those U things today because we're
[1:49:12] again trying to decide on that and it
[1:49:14] said the legislative Committee of Coffee
[1:49:17] County Tennessee commission is the
[1:49:18] Clearing House for either new County
[1:49:20] resolutions or proposed amendments to
[1:49:22] existing resolutions M and we're not
[1:49:25] amending all all legislation proposed by
[1:49:27] the county mayor's office or the County
[1:49:29] Commission normally makes a stop in the
[1:49:31] legislative committee before proceeding
[1:49:33] to a full vote of the County Commission
[1:49:35] so it's just an extra set of eyes yeah I
[1:49:38] was
[1:49:39] uh I agree with the resolution I'm not
[1:49:42] sure this has to be a
[1:49:46] resolution uh it's we're just making a
[1:49:49] clarification and a reestablishment
[1:49:51] Comedia assignments you know if you
[1:49:53] notice have no resolution number you all
[1:49:56] these minutes we looked at there's no
[1:49:58] resolution number associated with
[1:50:00] membership but uh you know I
[1:50:04] don't when is the next legislative body
[1:50:07] the legislative committee meeting it's like next week or week after next
[1:50:11] okay it's it's a week before the
[1:50:13] commission okay
[1:50:15] meeting
[1:50:17] y
[1:50:19] and
[1:50:20] I don't know I think I think we've
[1:50:23] covered it I think it's a I think it's a
[1:50:26] good motion I think it's a good uh
[1:50:30] solution and uh what I don't know if
[1:50:34] this needs to be policy and procedures
[1:50:36] or legislative but these
[1:50:41] appointments to all committees and
[1:50:45] Boards I feel like any name that is
[1:50:51] uh
[1:50:52] placed uh in nomination to be approved
[1:50:56] that individual should be there yeah and
[1:51:01] that rarely happens I mean all of our
[1:51:05] standing committees and committees that
[1:51:08] have legislative body members on it
[1:51:10] we're already sitting there and we can
[1:51:12] speak to it if we wish to but these uh
[1:51:16] like the Planning Commission there's
[1:51:18] only I'm only if they're appointed and
[1:51:20] not elected I mean publicly elected
[1:51:23] through election process that's what
[1:51:24] you're talking about IED I think when we
[1:51:27] are appointing when we're populating
[1:51:29] boards commissions and committees the
[1:51:32] individuals that we are approving should
[1:51:34] be there should be in
[1:51:36] attendance but there's nothing that I
[1:51:39] see right now in our policy and
[1:51:42] procedures that requires that I just
[1:51:45] think they should be something we need
[1:51:47] to consider yeah all right
[1:51:51] very
[1:51:52] good trying to pull up the calendar I
[1:51:55] can see so it's going to take me a
[1:51:57] little while to ride up the minutes on
[1:51:59] this but I'll get them out pretty quick
[1:52:08] okay have you got anything else Madam
[1:52:11] chair woman I was looking on the
[1:52:12] calendar um do you have
[1:52:16] a a bza meeting on the 15th we do do
[1:52:20] okay and
[1:52:22] then
[1:52:24] um I was looking to see when the when's
[1:52:27] our next full commission meeting um is
[1:52:30] that the
[1:52:33] 12th like March 12th March I think
[1:52:37] so
[1:52:40] March um yes um March the
[1:52:48] 12th
[1:52:50] legislative committee I thought it said
[1:52:52] February 26 okay February
[1:52:55] 26 and then the full commission is March
[1:52:58] the 12th March the 12th okay so there we
[1:53:03] go I don't have anything else do you
[1:53:05] guys have anything
[1:53:07] else I think we've accomplished our
[1:53:09] mission I think we have and we needed to
[1:53:11] before the March we need to get this
[1:53:13] squared away we can't linger if we don't
[1:53:16] have to we don't we don't need to
[1:53:17] languish we need to move I think we've
[1:53:20] done
[1:53:21] that all right
[1:53:25] and
[1:53:27] this
[1:53:29] will be our last meeting that's right
[1:53:32] we're done that's what ad hoc's all
[1:53:34] about we do one thing and we're done
[1:53:36] well and I think we've accomplished our
[1:53:38] mission good work
[1:53:40] I uh I make a motion to adjourn second
[1:53:44] all right meeting the
[1:53:47] journey all right