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understanding to speak.

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So this is kind of just hopefully just
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those lines that it seems with the PDD
that it has a life uh forever. It's got

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vampire life. Is there any consideration
looking at that any

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benefit for development that there be
some terms or time has to be enacted

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before I this goes back against years or
close there too.

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» So I don't know if that's if you're
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» Brian mentioned that I think it's the
intent of the council. I want to speak

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for everybody that we're going to deny
this which is what origin discussion was

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a year ago.
That's what the vote would be.

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Are
>> you sure this was a vote? I could have

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sworn this was voted no on this within
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» It was a year ago.
>> It was last August.

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» No, last August.
>> It was last August. That was at the

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workshop
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for the council meeting. That's all.
The step got missed. Well, as you said,

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your intention is going against
me. It's the intent of the council.

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» I apolog

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Thank you for your efforts. I know it's
a long night before you get going. So,

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and by the way, I will attend it. The
window project is a great project. I'm

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glad you're doing that because working
along the baseline here on Terrace

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Street. I saw a lot of similar Sacred
Heart of Jesus Church

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who are doing that

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work.
Thank you.

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PV before everybody decides that they
don't want to PD or even consider

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amending PD. Uh this is a very valuable
stakeholder in the city, Prime

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Properties. uh Todd Curley, they've been
great partners in this city going back I

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don't know a long time I mean to uh
disagree with my my good friend and well

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my good friend so before everybody
decides that they don't want to do it or

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it shouldn't be done I don't know
whatever discussions between the city

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and Turley are taking place maybe more
discussions can be taking place and see

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what can be done because the issue is
correct with the sewage but here's the

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There's another project that can't take
place either down on the river because

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of this same pump station. So, correct
me if I'm wrong. There's not going to be

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any more development along the
riverfront in this city until that pump

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station is dealt with. So,
somebody's got to somebody's got to deal

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with it because this city has to grow.
It has to grow. It has to keep growing.

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Onto the zoning issue.
The council has to take action because

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You have projects denied, $20 million
projects on Redstone Street that are

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denied by zoning board. The common
council took corrective action and it's

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not spot zoning. That is not spot
zoning.

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You're taking the issue into account of
a modern day city and you're making the

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appropriate reszoning amendments to the
code. It's not spot zoning.

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The city has to grow. I know it's
unpopular to some, although I think

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that's overblown. If the city doesn't
grow, the tax rate will go up. It will.

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You have to have revenue. The tax rate
will go up. Services will go down. We're

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talking about firehousing. We're talking
about firefighters. We're talking about

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police. We're talking about all these
things. So, we have to work with the the

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big bad developers. We have to work with
them. And they work with us. And they

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will make community investments if we
ask them. if we work with them. Prime

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Properties, we developed the entirety of
the Inspect Park 10 years ago because

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the city worked with them to do that. So
before everybody just oh we're not going

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to do it, we're not going to do it.
Again, I don't know what discussions

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were having were had with time and prime
properties. Maybe discussions were had

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maybe an agreement could not be reached.
Maybe so. But I think it's incumbent

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upon the council to make sure or have
come in here in a committee and see what

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can be worked out. The city has to grow.
This is a city. We have to grow or we

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die. Thank you.
I don't think would you just identify

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yourself
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just the fact that the council should
look at uh developers have done very

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well I think you need to do an analysis
on what the costs have been for their

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projects and you need to also look at
the uh tax advantages they've gotten

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been very generously dealt with on pilot
payments and uh the co citizens and the

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go budget has not been dealt fairly by
developers. I think it's part of the

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matrix you need to look at as you go
forward in that decision. We look

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forward to helping them with that.
>> I mean, Ken and Todd are like what they

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do. They're good solid people doing good
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But I think it does come down the cost
benefit analysis and this most recent

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one benefit was entirely to the private
development and the cost is significant.

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Great. I just want to say I want to
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To me, the zoning board doesn't have the
ability to make on which zoning changes

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should allow. The zoning board can uh
read the zoning code and make sure it

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falls within the grass until the council
changes the zoning code. It's spots. If

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we were to allow that finance,

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in my opinion, the way zoning code is
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that until the council the code the four
the whole district.

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» I I I agree with you allowed that.
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You're you're zoning board appeals and
the appeal was requested and was not the

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grand appeal is not spot zone because
that's what is grand appeal. So every

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appeal should be spot zone,
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uh with that close to Florida public

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street project
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» up on Columbia Street project up by the
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Mhm.
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» Are there be any signs indicating that
there crosswalk coming up in a traffic

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that red cylinder where state projects
that should have warning signs signs

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everywhere.

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you taking back to Monday?
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» Okay. Uh
the floor public comment moving on to

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the discussion regarding the workshop
and discussion regarding phase

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window. So it's the city solicited bids
for phase two of the city hall project.

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Phase two is Ontario Street camp street
side. Uh there's also an amendment on

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there engineers office the

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office and
storage.

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So CT mail the two bids that were
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which was time
windows that have been done thus far.

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Uh
project came in at 2.4 million and

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like it would like to get started next

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window

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improvements.

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Would there just be one more phase after
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for is there something else?
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that's our money
takes care of everything we can see and

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basically it's function
not only make it look better but more

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energy efficient.

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Oh, when I came in the office
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in my office

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without falling out of office.

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» Yeah.
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agenda is a discussion regarding the
sale of city old parson.

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So this is property adjacent to 16 and
18 street two bids

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one for $500 the other $5,000.
So at the end of the month we'll be

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looking for your below that property to
the bidder amount of $5,000.

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Did this come up for just a whole
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» same?

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Okay. Item three on the agenda is
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So
that started comment period. Is there

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anything to add to that? So Brian has uh
drafted ordinance that's under his desk.

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If there are any concerns, please let
myself or Brian know by the week by

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Friday

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with us

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clear
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People

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can walk through without getting

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through.

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Okay, the last item is number four.
Discussion regarding a particular

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Catholics lookout again the public
comment period pretty well discussed if

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you have any other questions or
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All in favor?
Thank you.