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To the flag of the United States of
America and to the rep for it stands one

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nation under God indivisible with
liberty and justice for all

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mention

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police department we have two patrols
Police Academy starts at the end of this

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fall and there were 20 applicants that
were invited to the uh welcome to the

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civil service list for the PT testing
which is sit-ups, push-ups, half run. So

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of the 20 that were invited and showed
up. Uh five of them passed. So in the

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past couple of weeks we've done a
background check interview. We've got

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two candidates that we're planning on
hiring. I'll let you know when the date

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is the actual sale, but that's going to
be coming up in the next couple weeks.

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Columbia Street project work continues.
Uh just update you as light will be

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staying.
It's been reactivated.

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New sidewalks are being from Broadway.

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paving straight follow
me all the dating that's going on this

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year. Most recently they did not
and the next thing they're moving up to

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I believe

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before they head over to the oneway
section of which

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James Street

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which whether it's too

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cold and all that. DPW I mentioned that
uh myself, Commissioner Hennessy,

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Director of Operations Primo, met with
our Green Island counterparts about

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water purchases and they recently
came on 100% compos and we're looking to

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do a long-term contract to keep that
going.

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We just need to finalize that
island. The algae bloom has been

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treated. I believe the fountains are
back on tonight.

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Intakes are getting the
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I just want to acknowledge the past
69 years old. We're talking 15 years

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just a great student being
link a related topic

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getting a qualified water filtration
operator is tough thing to do right now

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we're in the same boat is truly
they both have a private company one

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operator that oversees their operation
so we are in the process of signing up

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to do something similar. So, whoever
answers is going to be getting a look at

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the paperwork
about $2,600 a month and hopefully you

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know in a year's time change the world
operator filtration and he's been doing

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all the training. It's just a matter of
getting time in life so to speak. You

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have to be 10 years before you get to
one of the operators. I think he's

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within about a year of getting that
stuff.

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There's hope on the horizon.
Father Kyle Kinsky, I mentioned his

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father Kyle plans a lot of events for
the city swearing different events while

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the bishop was in town last week to
swear in so to speak fathersky as the

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pastor.

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So that's official. kind of fun event.
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Kyle talked about his
not traditional

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army for I think a dozen years and he
said basically you know there teach you

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to things people
enforcement for a few years

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state trooper
mixed martial arts

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kind of these

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I'm humble you got it.
You got the glory. Congratulations again

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for you.

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Uh lastly, I just want to mention our
newest shop recently open street

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cutting

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discount gas.
So it's supposed to be a great corporate

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paper
sponsorship.

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It's just a great
and with that mention again got two

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items on the agenda for public hearing.
The first is regarding local law amended

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standard meeting of the total city
regarding lot area and local

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renovations.
This is the reduction um

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in the R1 district from 2,000 square ft
to 5,000 square ft and minimal lot with

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down to 50 ft and red 5,000 ft minimum
lot size in March 2. So

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public hearing today and assuming that
it's going to move forward it would pass

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it.
This is something after I open the

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zoning like three members of the zoning
board here just that there's not a lot

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of green space and at the moment you
have to have 10,000 square ft one

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residential district to build and just
seems more practical to reduce that

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5,000 square feet so people can build
because there are not too many I can't

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think of any available 10,000 square
foot lots at the moment.

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for sale building

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5,000
fine build.

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» What about you know what other cities
are around?

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» They're similar. I think Troy is 6,000
acres looking at they're all around 5

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6,000
colony the colony

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used to be everybody was on at least a
half acre lot.

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ride down to any any

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» that's

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ability to do like 7500.

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I really don't know if we want to make
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each other from the city or
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the local building lots are few and far
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right now 10,000 square feet is a
quarter acre there are not a lot of

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quarter acre building lots compose and
5,000 square foot it depends what you

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want to build up a raised ranch or you
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10,000 but if it's you have starter
homes bungalows

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small ranches the 5,000 is if you look
around there are many

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I would say most 500

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» so the public

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if there's any comments from the public
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That's just the R1, right?
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» So, I think the only R1 we have is
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think there's any other R1's not on the
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It's R2.

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» R2 is 7500 square ft.

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» If this were
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it would be reducing it to 5,000 square
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» Yes.
>> Or Oh, what?

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» Okay.
>> Anyone else?

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» I looked it up online and they say the
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and 10,000. So,
>> what is this area?

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» Just the open area. So, I think that
includes water.

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I'm not sure. They just said opening
area.

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» So, I think going down from 10 to 5 is
really drastic.

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And um I think
what she recommended, I don't know the

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name, but recommended halfway maybe
7,500. That might be a better way to do

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it.
That's just my thoughts.

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» Okay. We know we know this is public
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» Okay. Mark

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for the recording.
>> Anyone else?

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» Hi. Hi. Jessica Duncan and I'm at 98
Ontario Street. I'm also on the zoning

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board. Um I think that if we are going
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individually kind of like with Remson
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think it may be advantageous to look at
the city as a whole and we do zoning

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overall instead of taking these little
sections in doing it that way.

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I also think that going from 10,000 down
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50%.
I wouldn't disagree with a 7500 to make

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it the same as R2.

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» Yeah, don't even say about 37 Broadway.
I'm also on the zoning board. I think

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5,000 is really drastic myself. 75 would
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um getting small logic, putting things
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then you're talking about burning down,

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which we've experienced many times in
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Kent is a city. It's supposed to be
dancing. In fairness, uh, three members

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of this spoken
conversation we had

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the other board.

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Was there a specific project that
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2,800.

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» Write this downus

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6,000.

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So 5,000
attack. It's pretty average.

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How many
how many times have people come looking

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for reduction in the lot scientist for
for building biomics?

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Just once only one
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10,000 is supposed to be the limit.
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» well is that's why we're here. That's
limited. We're saying it's an unreason

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flip and say I want a 5,000 less people
don't bother to come.

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» They feel like they shouldn't have to go
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They should just be able to, you know,
if they got a, you know, a 5,000 foot

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property, they should be able to have a
loan. They shouldn't have to go to the

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city. They can, you know, this is my
private property. Why do I have to go to

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ask?

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» Anything else?

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» Are you guys just worried about the
fires? Is that the main

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» That would be one of my concerns between
that and green space kind of being taken

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up. Um I'm I've got houses right on top
of me. Yeah, the house I'm not a fan of

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it. There should be similar space in
between because if either house goes up,

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my house is a big one, too. And that
would be one of my concerns with

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building continuously on top of each
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» It's just spacing in both of them.
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can, they don't fit up between the
houses. That's why they're left on the

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street.
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In a 5,000 square foot 50 by 100,
there's plenty of

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garbage can.

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» Yeah, but it's saying 5,000 square ft
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» Minimum lot. So, this proposes a minimum
lot width of 50 ft in R1.

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» What about
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currently honestly

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» R2 currently the minimum lot width is
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» Okay. With that we'll move on to item
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which is public hearing regarding a
local law amending chapter 21.5

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components regarding residential
occupancy.

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And this is uh we talked about this I
believe last month. This is um basically

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exempting the housing authority from the
need to get from the city except that

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they will be required to provide fire
inspection reports uh to the city

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reports regarding fire suppression and
protected detection system copies of

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their third party. So they has to
inspect these properties. So that has to

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be provided to the city each year. Um
and fee is $25 for each department

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basically oneird of each department each
year. So,

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long story short, no are but some of the
same information would need to be

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provided to the city.

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Yes, city for sure.
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» city of Wler does too with their
housing.

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» Okay, with that we roll into the
workshop and open

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public hearings

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public.

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minutes late the orchard. I'd like to
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either the mayor I talked to councilman
park about light and mass being changed

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back to a working traffic light. Um if
you could change the sequence of the

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time
but I'm happy that's back to the traffic

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light. So here's the first day of school
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The project is called safe street to
school. It should remain safe street to

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school. There's no crossing guard unless
you go to James Street or be van. So

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there's two other traffic lights. So I
mean I'm happy that was changed back. Uh

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the other thing about the firehouse
on central deteriorated more and more

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this year. There's a rumor and you know
how rumors are in the summer that with

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the building of the stewards on North
Moff Street that this smaller one on

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lower Columbia may close. Now
the people in the city it's convenient

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for them but anyone that goes out to
Crescent Stewarts at the Crescent Bridge

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they wanted to expand and the town told
them no. So they closed it. They said,

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"Now you got bigger money proposed
within close proximity."

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If they ever close the smaller Columbia
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would that be a thought to build the
firehouse there?

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There's a lot of thoughts about what we
could do with the firehouse fire.

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There's three of them and they're all
various states of disre.

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It would be nice if uh well there's just
a lot of you do one grand central

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firehouse

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1520 million do but knock on that is
okay now you only have one firehouse

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spend 15 million on firehouse while
still constantly fixing it too. So I

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mean that's one the other proposal is
fixing all of them

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third proposal
speak

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we'll have a public safety meeting
hopefully in the short term we're going

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to announce uh be an opportunity for the
ideas to be shared um knowing that we're

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not moving forward in particular one
that they hope Oh, just if it's going to

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cost a large amount of money to remodel
or renovate the existing one, would it

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be how much difference would it be to
build a brand new one?

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» A lot.
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» A lot.
>> Like the mayor said, you're looking at

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15 to$20 million if you want to build
five firehouse.

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» Now, with that, what's that with that?
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whole wall.

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At least it's a thought anyway. What if
that did pose?

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Would that be a thought to move it or
would you rather run it again?

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» We could add that to the mix. Just a lot
of people as much as me

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deciding this is council is in on it.
The fire officers had discussion with

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fire union have discussions with the
fire chief discussions with the fire

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department to speak with the city. Some
of them like plan A, some like plan B,

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some like city
at some point

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with the recommendation, but in the
meantime, we're keeping all three of

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them

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operation.
>> Yeah, it's just it's costly to keep

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those three buildings up. It's not it's
not a cheap thing to do. Actually,

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it's the first time in in over a decade
that we've had all three stations open

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continuously.
Uh, you know, every day in in prior

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years, you know, street has been, you
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central is open as well. So, everything
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hasn't been. So, that's that's actually
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that's I mean in my situation I was glad
that the main street was open but now

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that the campus at the high school has
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going on I think it's it's more
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because it's a quicker response to the
high school because there's you know so

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many things going on and what I was told
is the reason that they modified the

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field so much is now it It can be a
neutral site. There are sections where

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we can host games. So there's more
activity going on at the at the high

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school. So I you know having emergency
response needs beneficial to the

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students, players, whoever is involved.
>> Yeah. In terms of emergency medical

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services, we've got more today than
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minimum five
seven eight and then got four

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ambulance.
So that's a lot of medical coverage

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which is most of the fire 80% of the I
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Anybody else?
>> Yes, Greg Mooff from the chair of the

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zoning board. I apologize I'm late. I
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was just with the co youth football
program coaching. Um the reason we

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challenged council to review that was
just um it was a application that came

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across the board that we previously
denied. It got reviewed by the um the

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state. We got denied again. It came back
for approval a third time to us. Um we

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were challenged by the mayor as well as
Steve Mer, the director of uh economic

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development saying that the 5,000 square
feet is a typical lot size. So, we felt

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this we couldn't do a spot zoning
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So, we want to challenge the council to
see why the original um area set is

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10,000 square feet and why 5,000 ft. If
that is the standard, why was that not

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um the standard was set when the code
was set. So, that's why we're

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challenging the council to do that and
understand where we board because um we

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take direction. We don't take direction
from the council, but we try and shape

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our views and our opinions based on the
views of the council where the city

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should go. So no arguments.
>> I just want to say that back on this

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council.

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Thank you.
>> Do you have a reason why you're like

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guys are against it? I mean something
you guys have spoke about already. I

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just didn't know if you wanted
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I think the reduction was over 50%.
Which to me is substantial. It was a

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self-graded uh hardship. And those two
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as to uh um explain why he should be
allowed to have the variance. So without

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those, I didn't feel that it was other
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So um I feel as try to stop just
allowing things to be built and try and

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help shape the city based on the goal
and the the vision of the city. Um and I

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think if we would allow that, it would
just open the door for us to uh have

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more people come in and say, "Hey, you
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So again, if that's the way the council,
whatever wants to see the city going in

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that direction, I'm not against it. But
I just I don't think we could allow that

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one spot zone to happen without opening
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» I think the whole 10,000 square foot
thing goes back to the time

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40, 50 years ago. The whole hill was
green.

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Insert

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went in there. Max here

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pop up at the top of
you wouldn't recognize single points

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just
if you live here now I mean 50 years ago

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it was very much open and col the same
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» I just that current I think was 2017 so
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So we're talking about something 10
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I think the uh I think the last time
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uh it was increased in the last 15 or 20
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on. I don't remember specifics of it but
before that you could almost put a house

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And even those developments that I
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Meadows
not 10,000 foot class might be 7500T

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plus those are some of the biggest in
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So maybe 5,000 is very

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Anybody else?
Yeah. Hi, I'm uh Richard Massilla, 123

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Simmons Avenue. I'm here to talk about
the law ordinance. You might notice I'm

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not the same guy from 1237 Simmons
Avenue that came last time. Oh, I was

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here at the city. Uh I'm not the garden
guy uh who lives there. There's a lot of

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us who live there. Um but the the people
my my roommates do the garden are not

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free tonight. So I'm here.
Um, how many people live

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» eight weeks?
>> Yeah. Yeah.

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» It's expensive mortgage.

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» Yeah. Yeah. There's like five of us who
own it and then we have our, you know,

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ros. We rent out the the top floor. So,
I'm one of the owners. The other two

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people spoke were also owners of the
place. Um, and um

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Right. Um the arm ordinance. I was
wondering what kind of amendments you've

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been considering since that.
>> Yeah. So what was passed out to the

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council just about 15 minutes before the
meeting was um the definition of what

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was done what would be considered a
nauseous. Right? So if you look at a lot

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of they ban
whatever that means. So the concern was

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um how can we enforce something where we
don't really know what that is. So uh I

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found a definition of max we in the
market in the state of New York. Um so

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basically it is a weed which is
objectionable in agriculture crops lawns

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and gardens of the state and which can
be controlled by good agricultural

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practices or the use of herbicides. So
the change right now would be that ashes

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bees more than 8 in high would be
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» Okay. Um would that exclude native
pollinators? Things like um I don't know

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the plants but I think like we have
milkweed and blackeyed susans and other

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things that we plant around our lawn. We
have kind of like a native meadow that

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we use to encourage
like various

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pollinators, you know, like bees,
certain kinds of flies that are good for

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the native plants of the area. That's
certainly not the intent. If you read

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the section of the market law, it's
designed basically to be like if you're

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running a farm and you're trying to grow
corn, the things that you would want to

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kill so that your corn grows is a stuff.
I don't I can't swear to it. That's

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certainly not the intent to get rid of
those sorts of things. But the whole

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native plant thing and I still looking
at it your group did a very good

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presentation. Um, but there's a lot of
native plants that you certainly would

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not want. So, the inclusion of native
plant really wasn't making a lot of

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sense either. So, that's why I kind of
went back to the not just we approach to

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things.
>> Um, so that's the way it stands right

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now.
It's not on the agenda for voting

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tonight if it's the judge

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of this.
>> Okay. So is this like a viable topic

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discussion?
>> Yeah. Yes, of course. I just want to let

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you know where it stands.
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a good solution. Uh we I think more
specificity was needed. That definition

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I think will will serve well. There was
another part of the original ordinance

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about removing dead vegetation. Um, and
one of one of the other owners of the

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property had brought up a point at the
last meeting about how uh there's a lot

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of bugs like for example fire mixing
around that that laying their eggs in

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the dead vegetation. Uh, and I was
wondering if there that part of the

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possibly amended
>> that that currently as of right now

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remains.
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that dead grasses, weeds, etc. need need
to be removed. I see. So I think at

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least for the maintenance of our of the
metal that we have ideally we would let

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the vegetation behave naturally over the
winter. It's good for the natural life

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cycle of the meadow for reasons that I
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» But would that exceed 8 in 8 in
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like kind of crazy. doesn't exceed the
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the the 8 in is
>> the growing um plants or whatever

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they're called. Um and then it goes on
to say that there must any accumulation

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of dead grass conscious got yada yada
must be removed. Um so the question is I

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suppose what is an accumulation?

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» So
>> yeah, you know what warrants the need to

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control the de education. Uh like under
what circumstances would the city want

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to step in for de education is I guess
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One thing I would like to add in is
particular street see it and there's a

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couple of guards like similar to that
one on s and one on man

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And uh I just think that as you walk in
the sidewalk,

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people don't like being brushed against,
you know, there's ticks and spiders and

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and everything else in there. So I would
ask them to be cut back so that people

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can fluffly through without, you know,
having to come in contact,

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you know, maybe a little 18 inch buffer
between the sidewalk.

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Yeah,
>> but just understand

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if you want to leave with the copy.
>> Oh, yeah. I'd be happy

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that

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there
was stopping,

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» right? So the C isue is always you want
to leave it up to the code people to

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determine what they think is any
accumulation or you want to define what

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it is because what you might see an
accumulation might be different than

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what George thinks and that is the
difficulty in finding these things and

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making them
>> right who's going to have a list of what

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what is not what is
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» so there's it's down defined and
actually apparently the Cornell School

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of Agriculture maintains the list
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» Okay.
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» well, I know like milkweed
that it's very important for demonic

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butterflies.
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as not as a nonoxious.
Yeah, that that's a whole debate that's

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happening in various parts of the nation
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um thank you.
>> You're welcome.

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» Yeah. Thank you. Anybody else?

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» Uh thank you, Mayor. I'd like to address
uh topic four uh the PD for captain's

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lookout. My understanding is back uh on
the on the website. I appreciate that

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being there, but that was turned down
because they didn't apply with the

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request to upgrade the sewage issue. Uh
I think they have very careful that

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developer because they've had problems
on one rather that developer being

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non-compliant.
Uh who promised they