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» You cannot you can't get rid of it.
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The time is 603 and we'll call forward.
>> Hey, we have a roll call, please. Oh, is

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the recording started?
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» Okay.
>> Trusty Winglock

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» here.
>> Trusty Bethl

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» here. Trusty Price
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Stalin
>> here. Claire Wilcox

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I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under
God, indivisible,

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liberty and justice for all.

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Item three, revision board relations to
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» Okay,
>> I just need to make a correction to the

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resolution number.
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number 13 and it's actually 19.

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Sorry to see how long it last but see
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» unbound Persons

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not on the agenda,
>> please limit comments to three minutes

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and address the community or address
your comments directly to the mayor.

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Identify yourself by name and address
when making comments. Comments should be

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courteous, civil, and constructive.
The town board will make no decision nor

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take action except to direct the town
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And I see that we have
one person that go out to beautiful

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» I okay
>> have just a quick comment or just I'll

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make it quick.
I'm Tammy Clark. Um just here to touch

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base about Heritage Days. I was going to
be here last month but the Zoom meeting

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didn't work. Um, just wanted to thank
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Heritage Days and see if you guys had
any comments or questions or things like

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that that uh you wanted to let us know
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» Okay. Um, the only thing that we had
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that I know of were the storage of the
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Right now, those are still in my garage.
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they are, I will be happy to bring them.

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» Say that again. I didn't understand.
You'll be happy to what?

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» I said, I will be happy to bring them
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Mike Nichols, our town manager, says,
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for you."
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the next week or so. I don't really need
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» Okay.
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attention that the
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wanted us to take over all of Heritage
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discussing that. Um if we can get some
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participate um we may be looking towards
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have some of the different factions that
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year. So, we are discussing that as a
board. Um, and uh, we thought it was

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very successful. Um, but we wanted to
just touch base with you guys and see if

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you had any comments or concerns that we
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» Appreciate that and all all the efforts.
a change is hard and

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I see see the delay but anyway uh
all all of your efforts toward the rodeo

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and heritage days
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there were plenty of compliments on the
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thanks for all your effort.
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» I see that my face is like when I talk
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looking at what you guys are seeing.
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Uh
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» I'm just here to tell you that friends
of the friends of the library had had

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their event in the auditorium on Labor
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town, especially the guys from the
maintenance department for all their

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Well received. And the biggest thing we
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that everyone who came into the
auditorium on Monday, there wasn't

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anybody who didn't like what they saw in
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who supported that over the years that
remodel the auditorium and anybody who's

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protected that auditorium all the time
deserves a pat on the back.

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Well, maybe that'll spread the word that
they can start whether they want to have

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a wedding reception or family or reunion
or whatever or a dance. You know, how

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about movies? Movies would be wonderful.
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skating.
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is from July 4th, 1914.
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showed movies at the auditorium.

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just in case of interest for you guys.
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» well, if I don't remember correctly,
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screen is still around?
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» there. There is a movie screen up above
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think you you can use that. You'd have
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did. The old canvas screen is still up
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» right?
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» Well, it's like the projections we won't
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stuff. But if that's something that
somebody wants to do or or the town

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wants to do provide, you know, like the
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sure. I think that would be a
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especially during the winter time. If
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Monday, Carla Carl Dis was there, she
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in that. Yeah, we would need to have
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» because we're all swamped
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we're finding out to put on events and
entertain the entire town because they

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have a job to
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» I think it's a great idea. We need to
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see if we want to if somebody wants to
establish a committee for community

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events, it would be fabulous. Completely
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Terry from the liquor store talked about
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park, you know, towards the
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it. I'm just saying that since
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well we at the president of the library
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during the year, but I don't
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week,
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And if different organizations want to
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that'd be fabulous.
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were shown on that day on July 4th,
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internet.
False old silent movies. There's

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two or three of them that were shown
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» That was neat. I I know that.
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son the other day when he saw what what
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menu of movies was. He looked it up and
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interesting and pretty good quality,
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» Well, good.
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supporting my project and thanks thanks
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the auditorium alive and I apologize for
not being there. My wife and I are doing

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well and Jo we'll have more
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» Well I thank everyone who's was there
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I think they'll spread the word every
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» Well, hopefully that'll just grow into
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move forward.
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» I'm sorry I didn't

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Is it Daniel?
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» Um well, I am I'm here to talk about the
the broadband. Um I think we are a bit

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later, so might just wait my time for
then, but I'm excited. Looking forward

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to looking forward to this. The guys at
the region 10 are telling us that we're

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waiting on a power cable to get ready to
they've got all the all their ducks in

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row nearly. So, we're very excited.
Obviously, we need better internet all

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over town,
make maybe make our Zoom meetings work a

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little better.
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to work together and figure out how how
to use some of the Viviver. We'll have

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it coming into the CML. So, I'm looking
forward to talking to you guys and just

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sitting down and thinking how we can how
we providers. I know Mark's probably

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looking to get on some of that as well
and whoever else, but um I guess it's

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we're down down through the last couple
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something figured out with that.
>> Did you get the latest update?

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» If you want to read that,
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that's just the first page. Very good.
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rest of it and maybe let's see where
we're at now. Yeah, I'm excited. So, I

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want to say thank you guys. Um, thanks
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get it finished up. I'm excited to get
it rolling. Thank you very much. You

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bet.
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» Thank you.

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Item number five, consent agenda.

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Items with a routine nature placed on a
consent agenda can allow the board of

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trustees to spend his time and energy on
more important items than a lengthy

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agenda. Any board member or any member
of the public may request that an item

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may be removed from the consent agenda
and considered on a regular agenda.

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There's a August 5th, 2025 draft
minutes. B America 250

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Colorado 150 prop proclamation.
Uh item number. So

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yeah, that's that's it for the consent
agenda. Is there any discussion or

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» I motion we approve the August 5th, 2025
minutes and the America 2050 Colorado

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950 proclamation.
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» Second. Second.
>> We have a motion and a second. Any

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further discussion? Hearing
none. May we have a vote, please?

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» Trusty Bethl,
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» Trusty Price,
>> yes.

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» Trusty Stalin, yes.
>> Trusty Wingle Black,

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» yes.
>> Mayor Wilcox,

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» yes.
>> Motion passes uns.

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» Okay. Item number six,
Bill payments, May

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through July 31st of 2025.

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Is there any discussion on those?
>> Yeah, I'm curious. Is this report

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straight from the cell?
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And is it going to be possible ever to
get a record of deposits

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also a summary of deposits?
>> I have not found a report that provides

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a summary deposit but I will continue to
call I could reach out to

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I did have a couple of questions, but I
got those answers

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already.

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Was there any anybody else?
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» Well, the Grand Junction pipe and
supply, is that bill being forwarded to

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the school where it says build a to
school next to it?

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No, it probably was that

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» because we're not supposed to pay any of
the bills for the waterline until we

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submit a bill to the school and then the
school pays us and then we pay them.

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Sounds very
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but um was this bill paid or are we
approving it it to be paid today?

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everything on that list has already been
paid. It's more of an advisory because

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we were in the situation we were in. Um,
so all of those have already been paid

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and there's no way I could have held
them to get them to the board. Um,

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» so when it comes to the billing for the
school um, waterline,

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are we forwarding all those bills to
them before we write out checks?

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» The Grand Junction PIP? No. And the only
other bill that I pay directly um for

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the pipeline is
um FCI. And FCI doesn't get a check

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until I get a check from the school
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Okay.
Yeah, we have the KJ waterline

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observation
and on call engineering support and

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waterline valve construction and
waterline construction. They're $18,877.

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That was part of the agreement that they
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» Well, I guess the one question I have is
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item 784 Ka engineering or ter parks.
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two reviews. It was an initial review of
the first set of plans and then it was a

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second review of the second set of plans
that have come before the trustees

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» I think
>> March April um and that deleted the bill

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on that one is from April so that's why
um it was worked on on the tero park on

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their initial
preliminary plan

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» okay
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my understanding is anything that comes
in from a developer for the developer

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themselves who
pay for because it's their their

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development. So
>> if that's in the agreement they sign I

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am unaware of the agreement.
>> It's in the it's in the municipal code.

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» Yes. So,
uh I don't know the company that

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would
>> I think we need to be reimbursed for

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you know
I'm happy to dedicate time to figuring

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out exactly what invoices need to be
sent my and I can work on it together

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because some of it he would know better
than I would. I I don't know what

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communications KLJ had with uh the
company that's doing the subdivision

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or not. So,
>> have we been been reimbursed for the

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Dole Grant at all?
>> Unfortunately, has been we've received

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reimbursement.

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» Okay. Do you guys know off the top of
your head who Grand Valley Consulting

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LLC is for special structural
observation?

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Is that for um approving the auditorium
maybe possible?

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» We don't know. almost like an engineer.

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Grand Valley Consulting
>> special structural observation

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on May 22nd at 6:18

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and then also there was um wasach
surveying for the soul water line.

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You know about that, Matt?
>> Yeah, they're the surveyors for

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I think the FCI
that

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» All right. Well, part of our IDA was
they were going to serve, you know, take

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care of the cost of the water line. So,
I don't I don't know if all these bills

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are getting forwarded to them. I'll have
to look at the Grand Junction bike too

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because

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some stuff a while back but I haven't

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» Right.

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So the meter Mike should be part of um
the tap fee. Correct.

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» Correct. I do believe they get they got
build for that.

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I think we paid and I think they pay us
back is what I did.

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» But when somebody hooks up to municipal
water and they pay a tap fee, say I pay

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$4,500, does that include the meter?
>> No.

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» A meter is a cost on top of your
connection fee. Okay.

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» Good.
>> All right. And has the school been build

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for the tap fee?
>> That I don't know. per the agreement. We

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don't get the taxing money until we
accept the waterline. Okay.

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Well,

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and we shouldn't have any more any more
bills from Wilson, didn't

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» No, they don't.
>> Right.

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Right.
a motion we approve the bill payments

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for May through July 31st, 2025.

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» Okay, we have a motion. We have a
second.

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Okay, we have a motion and second. Any
further discussion?

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Hearing none. May we have a vote,
please? Trusty BL.

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» Yes.
>> Trusty Price,

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» yes.
>> Trusty Stalling,

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» yes.
>> Trusty Wingle Black,

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» yes.
>> Mayor Wilcox,

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» yes.
>> Motion passes.

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Okay. Item number seven,
Mr. Bruce Smith update.

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Um, a couple of things in addition to
what I wrote today. Um

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our attorney I think we should have an
executive session to discuss the water

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gown situation and sometime in the near
future

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and he had conflict for the
next meeting date the board

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as prior commitments

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» another date if it was up to me I'd say
sooner rather than later.

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» Did he uh did he mention a date that
would be good for him or or or you?

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I mean, like I don't know what you said.
>> Is there a better date that he gave you

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that would for you?
>> I tried that and he said that see what

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the board wants to do and let me know.
>> I'll do it sooner.

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This item is actually set for 10 on the
agenda. The Senate hearing to set a

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special meeting to discuss the water.

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» Okay.

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I don't understand why we're pursuing
asking the school to pay for three

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additional
um hydrants when as you mentioned the

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word you used was impertinence saying
the pertinance normally is for future

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development. School has no interest in
any further future development for that

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water line. So anything along that water
line from the school back to the source

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of the water would be there for
development and then that would be our

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business not the schools. The school has
their hydro they're going to put it on

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the south end but there how would it
advantage this school and why would we

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require a public school to put in three
additional hyphens. I don't understand

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that rationale. Well, according to the
ordinance has always been that the

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developer of the water line just as Carl
Austin Tech developed and brought in

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the properties of the OBS church when
they bought it and then did a lot

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rearrangement on that 20 acres. So he
sold part of it to the LDS church, part

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of it to uh he was going to build a home
himself where Lisa Valve lives and then

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the lot behind Geller, but there was no
sewer line at the time. The only person

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was going to be the church. So, but it
was up it's up to the developer

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uh according to uh had been this way
since

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I was first on the board as a trustee
that

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the developer
looking for growth just like Andy

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that company is going to have to absorb
everything growth there. Um,

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part of the reason the school was built
was

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because they would, you know, the the
community as a whole valley wise, but to

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project they were going to have more
students. Otherwise, they wouldn't have

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built a a bigger building that would
house whatever five or 600 people. And

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along along that way uh
we have the

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uh
in Plateau City, you know, there's a

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street there. There's the old general
store. Um

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so

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there is
projection of growth caused whole you

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know by the project of the waterline and
and by just building a new school and a

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bigger school and and such a massive uh
project. So in the ordinance it does say

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that it is up to the developer to bring
everything up to fire

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uh code and safety for the earth state
and

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uh county
that it's you know it's on their guide

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and
you know the board was before Jim knew

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who left.

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He suggested to the board that we do did
not get involved and and uh write the

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extra million dollar grant
even though the board decided to support

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the school. Anytime you build a big
construction project like that, there's

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a contingency
that's always been built in for

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added items or things that need to be
corrected or whatever. Um,

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well, are you saying that we're
classifying schools and developing?

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» Well, they're not developing. No, but
they're they're projecting growth and

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they're they're paying us back aboard
the water line. So, by by doing that,

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that's part of developing or extending
our

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» whoever requests the water line, let me
make it really simple. If you live out

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on the other side of the school and you
want the water line, you have to pay for

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the entire water line. Whoever develops
first out there, if somebody builds a

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subdivision there, they pay for the
entire water line because we weren't

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asking for a water line. We were not.
So, whoever and you can, you can search

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other municipalities. You can search our
own municipal code. Whoever the

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developer is who's bringing the water
line pays for the water line. It's in

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our IGA.
They have the right to back bill to any

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other people who hook up to it because
they had to absorb that entire cost.

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» Okay. So, I understand that part, but I
don't understand exactly why. How did we

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come up with three fire hydrants? We
didn't the fire marshal and the co

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» I guess that's something to be discussed
because that's contradicted to what the

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superintendent said that the fire
department did not think that we'd have

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to have three uh fire hydrants. Well, I
put in a core request to the fire chief

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and I got to see the correspondence and
they actually cut them a break down from

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several down to three saying, "Okay, the
rest can as stuff gets developed, they

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can add more." But I think Mike has
something to say right now.

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» Yeah, they started with eight, I
believe, and then C do actually got

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involved because they said then they
said that five of them were pretty much

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impossible to put in. you know, it's
down there in the swamp. So then the

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fire marshall who is actually a
contractor

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by the state. So the state isn't really
doing these inspections anymore. The

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fire department isn't. So they hired
this company who is the fire marshal to

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um come in and
you know kind of inspect that and he

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wanted three in. So, it's actually it's
not our fire district or it's it's the

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state fire marshal who wanted the three.
>> How can that price be right? That seems

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I can see 75 for three. I don't see 75
for one.

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» 75,000 for one.
>> Yeah. I don't know the numbers. I don't

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» That's what you guys had in your uh
packet.

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» Unfortunately, the line went on without
anybody taking responsibility for the

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fire hydrants. go. You would think
somebody would say, "Hey, Pam, you're

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doing this, so we're leaving this open
now, and it's open from May 5th to May

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10th." But that never happened.
>> And I I got a core request. I read

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through every detail. Um
they were required to put in fire,

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» but it's not activated yet, is it?
>> No, the water is not. And so

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» yeah, you got to put in extra seed and
all sorts of stuff after you put it in.

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» Right. We got a million dollar grant who
put in this water line from Noah.

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» So if we have to take off the take the
price off the million dollar grant that

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the town paid applied for for our own
because otherwise the cost has to be

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rolled over to the people of the town
and quite frankly the school has a huge

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area that funds that. We have $260
when the prices say correct. So you know

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if it was 75,000 to have this
>> look into something see how much the

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water tank on the hill cost.
>> Well you got to think you got to have

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people stopping traffic. It's all built
bone down to one lane. You got to pay

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for those people concrete. You plumbers
put in dude I put in

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50 60 hydrants. They're a lot of work.
They're a lot of concrete.

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» They cost a lot of money. It have been a
lot cheaper and while it was going on

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» well it's still before the waters turned
on

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it's cheaper now to take care of it.
>> That's good.

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» Yeah.
>> Rather than wait till next next year

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next
to uh

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absorb those.
>> Yeah. I don't think 75,000 for one. I

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mean that sounds like that's not the
numbers I heard. Um, I think it's it'll

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be somewhere up there, but I think that
number three now a lot more expensive if

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you
>> Well, I can see 75,000

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three. I think that's why I said in your
packet I think it says 100 or 225,000.

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We're talking about 190,000 is what our
budget was.

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» It probably depends on what contractor
does it too.

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» If
>> and nobody's available right now.

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Well,
>> and the bottom line was that through the

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agreement
that they would that they would bring

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everything out of your fire code and
safety.

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Um,
>> did you review the IG where it said that

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they would
>> Did you review the IG?

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» It's a good read.

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So between between between the A where
they said that

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they would follow an agree upon plus
the ordinance of development um

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plus the fact that

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we were advised or as a board whether it
was this board or the previous doesn't

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matter it's done But

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in the end, the school would
go ahead and reimburse the town

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for all expenses so that the town would
not absorb

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uh

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who was the building inspector on this
account the county.

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» They're at fault too. Orange Shriner
>> from Dynamic Planning is contracted to

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inspect and to
so

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» I can say part part of it is I think on
on the county because the last

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uh septic at least field
that I did uh

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for for a neighbor over in Mesa,
the engineer, he had it engineered and

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then when it came time to inspect and
everything was open, the engineer

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set a time with the county inspector
because the county inspector

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was brand new. So there's a new
generation of inspectors that really

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don't know and now they have the
technology to

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look our county is ridiculous on what
they want for inspections. Pretty soon

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Daniel and I have to get inspections for
not radios out here houses.

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Well, I agree with Bruce in terms I
think we do need to have the the

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executive session and work work through
this because you know the thing about it

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is we can't take this school situation
where they not may not be able to open

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up on you know on the first day
school. So I think we need to get it

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hashed out and and see if we can't work
out some kind of compromise because you

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know I mean the public a school is a
public entity. I mean, it's not like,

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you know, a developer has funding to
develop whatever it is that they're

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going to. The school, the public school,
you know, has limited funding just as we

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do.
>> And

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they have they have a 10 times the
funding we have. And the school's

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responsibility for their funding pool is
way bigger than us

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» and they do a thousand times better for
this community than we do.

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» That's the purpose of a public school.
But that's a matter of prescribing

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nothing.
>> Again, I agree with

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» Yeah. Well, that's special meeting.
>> Yes, that's item number 10.

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» Yep.

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» What's that?
>> Do you have more to say, Bruce?

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» Did we pick a date?
>> Start till later.

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» Start till later.
It's on the agenda for Ted.

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Item 10.
>> Um,

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the last sentence in my two paragraph,
two paragraph deal. Uh, Mr. Long raises

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the issue whether or not I have the
authority to write the letter that I

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did. And like I said, they'll the board
say that's true or false.

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I completely agree.
>> I was hoping you wouldn't.

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» True. True or false?
>> True.

439
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:21,599
» Well,
I didn't feel like I had much choice.

440
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,160
That's what I did.
>> Well, I

441
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:28,400
» had to do something get thing off at
dead center.

442
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:31,359
» Yeah, I think that you were completely
in line to do that. Thank you for doing

443
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:35,480
that.
Well, and I

444
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:44,319
Trevor called me at hall to discuss it
and we

445
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:49,760
kind of what discussed what I just
mentioned with you, Gary. He had no idea

446
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:53,920
that or he he didn't remember. I believe
he was standing right here in the

447
00:42:51,599 --> 00:43:01,839
meeting when the attorney said, "I don't
suggest that the school get involved

448
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:05,520
with an internet uh having the town
>> get involved with the grant."

449
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:10,720
» He said one entity cannot take out a
grant on behalf of another entity,

450
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:14,640
» right?
>> And um

451
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:21,119
» and we did anyways and our second
attorney said it was fine.

452
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:25,359
And it simply because it
creates a hornet sense. There you go.

453
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:34,079
This the school has their funds. They
they got the the taxes from everybody

454
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:40,720
and and so we're not just looking at 58
million or 60 million. There's there's

455
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:45,520
there's a 90 million budget there. So we
can discuss that.

456
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:50,800
And you
>> you're all aware that they bonded the

457
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:55,839
project. You can't take the construction
bond money and use it to buy school

458
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,240
buses or books.
>> Right.

459
00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:02,480
» It has to be for construction. You
violate that and the bonds will become

460
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,800
taxable.
>> Right.

461
00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:14,680
» That's how that
>> right. Right. still being said the

462
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:14,680
hugest mistake of all that seems

463
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:20,520
um
sword.

464
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:31,560
Um
I included in the packet a

465
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,560
invoice from

466
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:38,319
40 pounds
and

467
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:43,280
I'll tell you when I saw it, I laughed
because he sat in my office and told me

468
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:48,640
that he was like doing this out of the
good goodness of his part. In fact, I

469
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:53,839
told him that if I was him, I would have
asked all the collaborate holders and

470
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:57,680
the gifts to share in that. But at any
rate, now we get a bill and I would

471
00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:02,800
probably just send him a note that said
no thank you,

472
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:09,520
» right? Unless you all know something
else. I mean, it's quite possible that

473
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:14,240
I don't know what I'm talking about. The
board made some agreement with the long

474
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:19,160
before I was here. No, he called he
called me when uh

475
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:26,640
because I said there was it was
incorrect that there was no he said

476
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:30,640
there's no water rights to apparel
subdivision and handed me a folder and

477
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:34,720
it said at the bottom you get what you
paid for. I said, "For you, I understand

478
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:41,359
what you're saying because I went
through this when I first came up here

479
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:46,960
and was on the board and then asked the
board because that line had been coming

480
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:52,240
down to our subdivision and the back
field." I said that that subdivision has

481
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:57,680
been flood irrigated all these years.
But when we closed with the Terrells,

482
00:45:54,319 --> 00:46:02,880
the Terrell signed that the water rights
for the subdivision over to the town. So

483
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:12,640
it's the town's water. There is no
adjudicated water to each individual lot

484
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:19,119
or to the subdivision particularly but
the water belongs to the town. So that's

485
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:23,560
the discussion and he he had taken it
upon himself and

486
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:34,800
said that he shortened the line u
to make it more efficient. So the town

487
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:41,920
never had had the opportunity okay what
engineering was done who decided he he

488
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:49,119
did the work himself u bought the
materials put it in and that's that was

489
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:51,920
the first that I heard about it
>> okay well

490
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:55,839
» I don't see any reason to reimburse
somebody who didn't sit down and come up

491
00:46:53,599 --> 00:47:01,359
with a plan we have our own staff we
have our own backhoe and they need to be

492
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:04,960
coordinating stuff before they Okay. Did
you get any receipts for any of these

493
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:08,720
things?
Did you get receipts?

494
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:16,240
No.
>> Did you

495
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:20,000
Who who gave them a grant for $14,000?
Don't know.

496
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:23,000
» Yeah, I would say
no.

497
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:29,520
» All right, that's easy enough for
um

498
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:35,280
» Does it need to be voted on or are we
good? Uh, you just provide direction.

499
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,319
» They don't need to vote on it. Does
anybody else have opinions?

500
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:43,319
» No, we don't vote on anything. I do.
It's just we just do it and see what

501
00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:43,319
happens.

502
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:49,440
Um,
did you want to talk about your public

503
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,280
works employees?
>> Sure.

504
00:47:50,319 --> 00:47:53,920
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

505
00:47:51,839 --> 00:48:00,119
» I was going to do that, but might as
well have you stand up here and take a

506
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:00,119
meeting.

507
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:11,839
likely valuation and I too
>> I don't know where to stand here when

508
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:17,280
I'm not in front of everybody what the
police do in any way. So I I did an

509
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:23,599
evaluation on our for public works
employees. Uh and

510
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:28,960
after that after beating them up a
little bit um I did agree or I thought

511
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:35,440
it was in good taste and good interest
for the town to give them a raise. Um

512
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:39,599
they've done a great job. Uh there's
some stuff that we need to work on. Um,

513
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:44,400
and I don't know, I think that was just
between us, but there's some trainings

514
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:47,760
we need to start doing with them, uh,
and get them licensed up in the water

515
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:52,559
and sewer, of course, and they are
willing to do that. We just got to find

516
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:56,880
time. Um, and I think it was much
appreciated. Um, they have really

517
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:03,280
stepped up with me. You know, we're
trying to do dual roles right now. So,

518
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:09,280
um, yeah, it was an odd thing to do, but
we, you know, that was my first

519
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:14,400
employee evaluation I had to do, and
it's not fun, but

520
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:19,520
um, but we got through it and I think
that we all learn from it. So,

521
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:24,400
I do have a question for you, Mike. I
heard through the grapevine that you

522
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:28,480
were paying for your own
um training or your own um

523
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,680
certifications
so far. Is that true?

524
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:35,920
» No. No. The town pays
>> the town did pay. Okay. I just wanted to

525
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,880
make sure that nobody feels like it's at
their own expense.

526
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:43,359
» No, I I pay for my own plumbing license.
I got that before and I keep up on that.

527
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,520
But the certifications I get for the
town or through the town is paid by the

528
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,760
town.
>> Right. Are you using your plumbing

529
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:54,000
skills through the town?
>> Uh, a little bit. You know, it's kind of

530
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:58,240
it is kind of plumbing. It's just a
bigger size, you know, but it's

531
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:02,240
something that, you know, I'd like to
keep going. So, I just

532
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:08,000
» Is that very expensive annually?
>> Uh, depends on how fast I get my my uh

533
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:12,559
continuing education now.
>> Um, but it's it's not it's less than

534
00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:18,400
$100. Okay. you know, so
>> and that's something I'm willing to pay

535
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:21,520
because I had that before, you know, but
>> yeah.

536
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:26,079
» Well, if you're using that for your job,
it should be reimbured. I do, but

537
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:31,520
» and I don't do too much anymore, you
know. It's it's just bigger pipes style

538
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:37,040
and and any licenses or anything I do in
the town, it's licensed to the town.

539
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:41,119
Maybe more the wastewater sewer. So,
>> okay. Once in a while I have to fix a

540
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:45,839
toilet, but I got two guys that got
raises that can do that.

541
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:51,440
So,
>> thank you for what you do.

542
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:56,240
» Well, as as as uh
as we've said in the past, our public

543
00:50:53,440 --> 00:51:02,559
works takes care of
basically the foundation of the town. Uh

544
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:08,640
but the water, the sewer, the streets,
the snow, all of it. And

545
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:14,880
what I found through experience as as
being in charge of the the phone

546
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:22,960
committee and learned from
uh upper management that

547
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:26,480
the best way to get and most efficient
is

548
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:31,280
to give your employees or the
technicians, whatever you want to call

549
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:37,520
them, maintenance
the tools and the educ education

550
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:46,480
that they need to do their job
efficiently and so things don't have to

551
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:53,359
be uh done over five or six times.
So,

552
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:59,760
uh, I'm a real proponent of supporting
education and giving getting a

553
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:07,119
especially
uh the group for what they need to do

554
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:11,000
the job to to take care of the D.
>> Appreciate it. So,

555
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:19,520
and it and it turned out that, you know,
through through the back surgeries and

556
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:27,200
my manager above me when she go to
Africa for 6 weeks or whatever,

557
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:32,640
I would sit at the console like these
folks do in the office and analyze loads

558
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:37,079
and and rearrange those. And in doing
that, um,

559
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:45,760
you know, who who is just like you would
spend Mike send Mike out to do something

560
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:52,480
or
uh Cory,

561
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:59,119
you know what their
work skills are. So I would adjust the

562
00:52:56,319 --> 00:53:05,599
loads and whatnot. and and we ended up
uh out of the 14 states that US West

563
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:12,880
had, we had the number one results as
far as efficiency, we our overtime was

564
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:17,119
down. Guys that uh it was a union, so
there was a limited vacation, but guys

565
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:22,000
that needed to take time off or wanted
time off were able to take time off

566
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:29,839
during the old hours and so it lowered
the cost to the company. Um,

567
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:38,119
but that was just a I guess on the job
or experience something that I that I

568
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:38,119
learned through doing that. So

569
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:46,880
overall, I think it it it saves the town
money by

570
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:52,640
if there's something that needs to the
public works to make things more

571
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:57,680
efficient around here, then we certainly
need to take that serious.

572
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:01,800
» Yeah.
>> Take care of the the public.

573
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:10,960
Anything else, Bruce?
>> Yeah, a couple more things. Um,

574
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:16,240
as far as I'm concerned, you're at
budget time

575
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:20,720
and I was wondering who you had in mind
to do the budget.

576
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:26,000
» I think that the previous board entered
into I remember reading I don't remember

577
00:54:23,359 --> 00:54:32,559
how many years the contract Oh, sorry.
I'm thinking of the the audit. Sorry, my

578
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:38,359
bad.
Um, are you up to doing a budget?

579
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:43,240
» I've done a few.
>> Yeah, I bet.

580
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:53,800
» Well, I just kind of look around and
having a hard time unloading that.

581
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,800
» What?

582
00:54:56,079 --> 00:55:02,559
» Yeah, I kind of figured that. that
wasn't and I wasn't being a smart ass. I

583
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:11,280
was just hoping to be something else.
Um, with that thought in mind, one of

584
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:17,680
probably the biggest single item in the
I think that's probably true in the in

585
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:23,920
the general fund is the sheriff contract
uh that expires at the end of the year.

586
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:29,440
If you're going to do something
other than

587
00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:33,040
renewing it, you need to get organized
and get going.

588
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:36,400
» Can we please schedule a work session
with Debec?

589
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:44,800
» There you go.
>> Um, Debec was very interested in working

590
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:50,079
with us when we contracted makes it.
We were told otherwise

591
00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:53,079
and he has a lot of ideas and a lot of
information.

592
00:55:53,280 --> 00:56:01,599
» He'd be sorry.
>> I promise you would be sorry.

593
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:04,599
» It can't be any worse. Bruce.
>> So

594
00:56:05,839 --> 00:56:12,720
in in your in your opinion, if we need
to

595
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:17,520
if if we decide not to renew that, we
either need to

596
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:22,440
start our own Marshall's department by
itself.

597
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,440
» Yeah.

598
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:28,880
» Day off with a million dollars.
If you don't want to go up the back, do

599
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,559
you want to
>> It won't work.

600
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,480
» Sir,
>> it just won't work. You have a hard

601
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:38,960
enough time and you have a marshall in
this town keeping them in the town. They

602
00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:43,599
going to make an agreement where the
officers have a

603
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:48,319
almost a requirement to be driving
around in the county between here and

604
00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:52,160
Quebec. It won't work. You'll be unhappy
with it. The officers will be unhappy

605
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:59,599
because you'll be bitching at him all
the time and you won't save a nickel.

606
00:56:55,359 --> 00:57:03,200
Well, he has um other there he knows
about the grants and he knows how to

607
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:08,240
start up a Marshall's department again
and he has he wants to pitch that to us.

608
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:10,000
I told you what I thought. You do
whatever you want.

609
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:15,440
» Okay.
>> I see no reason to change my agreement.

610
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:20,000
Everything. I see no reason to. You
know, we cannot afford setting up our

611
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:24,240
police force, buying another vehicle,
paying those salaries, having at least

612
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:27,200
three entities for this. I see no reason
to do that. That we need to have

613
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,960
» somebody here though.
>> We need somebody here.

614
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,400
» Somebody here
>> working

615
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:36,480
» and we need our traffic taken care of.
And that's not happening right now.

616
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:40,799
» No, it's not. When I'm mowing the lawn
like today, when I mow the lawn at the

617
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:45,440
clinic and I got people going 50 by me
on the road, copy the old lady,

618
00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:51,760
» then we should let them know. Well,
>> we have countless times. Citizens have

619
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:56,000
called and called.
>> And one of the first things, sheriff's

620
00:57:53,440 --> 00:58:01,680
department said, I guarantee you before
we signed the contract that there would

621
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:08,160
probably be, you know, more more DUIs
and more uh driving through town as

622
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,720
such. I have
>> the street,

623
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:15,040
» walking down the street. I have
personally seen

624
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:20,000
at our
to that. Anyway,

625
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:24,480
two two drivebys.
>> And you think that was not happening

626
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:27,359
prior to Mason County?
>> You think that was not happening in this

627
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:33,839
town?
>> Prior to M prior to Mason County and

628
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:37,119
when we did have marshals,
I mean,

629
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:41,839
» it was constantly whether it was Jeff or
Adam, I don't know, but it was it was

630
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:45,599
constantly at night. It might be 2:00 in
the morning or something, but it was

631
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:48,000
constant.
>> We don't have any off here at night.

632
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,760
» No.
>> But I guess you know the first thing you

633
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:55,280
need to do is do the math. See what it's
going to take to have a vehicle or two

634
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:58,720
vehicles. What it's going to take for
the salaries of two to three

635
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:03,280
individuals. what it's going to take to
make sure that there is trained at every

636
00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:07,760
qualification because we know prior to
some of the some of the things that we

637
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:11,920
had some of the employees that we had
were not trained to do all of the kind

638
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:16,079
of things that Mesa County Sheriff's
Department is able to do. So, I wouldn't

639
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:20,480
agree to it until I can see that that
individual has the same qualifications

640
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:25,280
of those individuals that work in here.
The same qualifications because if they

641
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:29,359
don't, the liability is ours. It's not
theirs. It's ours. Right now, the

642
00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:31,680
liability lies with the county sheriff's
department. Right. But if you change

643
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:36,640
that,
>> we're not exempt from liability. We're

644
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:42,400
not exempt from liability.
We are asking I am asking I have been in

645
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:46,400
contact with the deb Marshall. I am
asking for him to come and give a work

646
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:50,720
session
on alternative solutions and what he

647
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:53,280
thinks.
>> How many speeding tickets were given out

648
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:57,520
in the month of August?
>> They don't release how many tickets.

649
00:59:54,960 --> 01:00:01,599
I've asked for that. They release
traffic stops, which could be stopping

650
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:03,599
to end a person with a flat tire.
>> Yes.

651
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,680
» Or stopping to give somebody a ride
because they ran out of gas.

652
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:09,599
» Right.
>> I live right where we have the traffic.

653
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:14,480
I did exactly what the town board told
me to do, what the sheriff's said to do,

654
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:19,440
and that was called dispatch. I called
dispatch at 6:00 in the morning and told

655
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:25,760
them, "You got the 8500 going up out of
town. Where's anybody at?" Well, you

656
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:31,920
know, apparently in Culbrron, crimes
don't happen until the law happens to be

657
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:36,720
up here. And then less than 24 hours
later, I called somebody was driving up

658
01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:43,760
the street at 1:00 in the morning with a
light bar on, which is illegal on a main

659
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:48,960
road and the dispatch told me, "This is
affecting you. How?" I said, "Well,

660
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:54,160
they're speeding
you." I got nothing. And then finally

661
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:59,839
the sheriff called and he said he said
and you can listen to the playback tape

662
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:04,559
told me it's a small town. Why are you
worried about people speeding? It's

663
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:10,559
going to happen.
>> Oh, so the sheriffs up here are what? 9

664
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:14,640
to5 with an hour lunch break and half
hour naps.

665
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:19,280
» We don't know. what I seeed. I have seen
men more at the school since school

666
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:22,319
started than I saw them all summer long
in town.

667
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:28,960
» There's also responsibility of the
school to pay a portion of their income

668
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:33,359
of their which um so yeah
>> it's just not happening and we were told

669
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:38,000
that that was not necessary.
>> The sher

670
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:42,000
is frustrating because
there was a 15year-old kid riding his

671
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:46,720
motorcycle all over town. No helmet, no
driver, no license.

672
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:49,920
They told us, "Get a picture of it."
Why? I I'm not paid to be sheriff. Do

673
01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:53,280
your job.
>> It's not our job.

674
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:58,000
» Get a picture of it. And when we did
call it in 3 weeks later, I'm like,

675
01:01:56,319 --> 01:02:01,640
"Huh?
>> Nothing.

676
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,640
» Nothing."

677
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:06,680
So, no, they're not doing their job.

678
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:12,960
Listen to the girls at the clinic.
They'll say the same thing. listen to

679
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:19,839
the people who live up on a peninsula.
>> I hear all day every day. I hear I hear

680
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:23,680
the whole community has has said stuff
and and one of the things that the

681
01:02:21,359 --> 01:02:28,319
sheriff's department said that we would
have we were assured that we would have

682
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:32,640
247 coverage.
>> Yeah.

683
01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:37,599
» And
we're in Mesa County anyway

684
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:40,240
and so we're supposed to be protected by
Mesa County. Um,

685
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:46,079
» yeah,
>> I almost feel like what we've done by by

686
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:51,760
spending $350,000
is let them hire

687
01:02:49,359 --> 01:02:56,640
more staff
that's being used more time down in

688
01:02:53,839 --> 01:03:00,480
Grand Junction than right here.
>> And the sheriff's paying for sitting on

689
01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:02,079
driveways in Molina because somebody's
dog got hit.

690
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:06,640
» Yeah.
>> Right.

691
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:11,200
traffic which we as the municipal town
of Culbrron should not be paying for all

692
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:16,160
of Mesa County to be patrolled.
>> No, it should be the top of room.

693
01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:21,599
» I completely agree.
>> I have I will say I have seen on Main

694
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:26,559
Street this week three or four times
that he's pulled somebody.

695
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:30,240
» That's good. I wonder if traffic tickets
were issued.

696
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:33,240
» They were. some of them are accustomed
to

697
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:39,119
like to see the speeding get under
control and I know since I complained

698
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:46,079
last time I have heard that wine deputy
is stepping it up and I appreciate that

699
01:03:41,359 --> 01:03:51,559
but I'm not up to spending $1,000 a day
for the amount of services that we're

700
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,559
getting at this time

701
01:03:51,680 --> 01:04:00,720
and I'd like to hear other options
>> should get the uh county commissioner

702
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:04,000
down here I mean you So, you know,
you're you're way far away. Yeah, you

703
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,960
still have to drive down there to get a
vehicle title. You know, don't have that

704
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:11,280
kind of support. You can't even vote
here. Of course, you can't move any

705
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:15,520
place mostly. Um, you know, this this
end of the county is not serviced by the

706
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:19,839
county. You're not part of this county.
The county is

707
01:04:16,799 --> 01:04:23,520
» as a municipality, we are required by
state statutes to provide our own police

708
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:27,280
protection.
>> That's not really what it's saying.

709
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:31,520
» I I understand. I say I say you guys are
neglected by the county.

710
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:35,680
» I I completely agree, but we do have to
pay them to be here. So,

711
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:40,799
» sure. We're going to have to have a
special board meeting to bring this up

712
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:44,079
and have a discussion with Palis.
>> I think we need to listen, Bob, and see

713
01:04:42,319 --> 01:04:48,720
what he has to say. He has ideas for
grants. He has ideas for merges. He has

714
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:53,280
ideas for us just standing up our own
marshals department again

715
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:58,480
» and grants that will cover that since we
got rid of everything. I I know that

716
01:04:55,440 --> 01:05:03,160
Adam himself wrote a grant to to replace
his vehicle one year. Um

717
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,200
» was that the last one you had?
>> Not the new one.

718
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:10,000
» No, that one.
>> Not the brand new one.

719
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:16,240
» Not the brand new last.
>> Yeah. No, the brand new one was never

720
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:18,559
really They had 500 mile. Yeah. Well,
>> okay.

721
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:21,839
» Maybe that was delivery. I don't know.
Well,

722
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:26,720
» he also knows how to write up 9A with
the school so that they can vape for

723
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:30,039
their own coverage because he does that
in bed.

724
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,200
» I hope so.

725
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:41,400
» Okay. Um

726
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:51,839
item number eight, October Fest
budgetary request

727
01:05:47,440 --> 01:06:00,319
SCB and CERSA insurance bring in a
presented by intern town clerk

728
01:05:55,280 --> 01:06:06,000
for Tasha Vig supply.
By motion, we approve the October Fest

729
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:10,839
budgetary request fee and CERSA in shows
program in the amount $39430.

730
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:19,920
And we are also waving the where did I
see that somewhere else?

731
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:25,359
» It should be a $25
>> and also waving the $25 fee to the state

732
01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:28,960
of Colorado for the special events fee.
>> Second.

733
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:34,240
We have a motion and a second. Is there
any further discussion?

734
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:36,079
Hearing none. None. May we have a vote,
please?

735
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,559
» Trusty Bethl,
>> yes.

736
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:39,920
» Trusty Price,
>> yes.

737
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,280
» Trusty Stalin,
>> yes.

738
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,880
» Trusty Wingle Black,
>> yes.

739
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:46,680
» Mayor Wilcox,
>> yes. Motion passes.

740
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:59,119
» Item number nine, request for
sponsorship for youth

741
01:06:52,559 --> 01:07:06,160
» Jim Canada status series P B Y A.
We have $250 left in our

742
01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:12,440
discretionary funds and I motion that we
give them their gold buckle sponsor in

743
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,440
the amount of $200

744
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:25,839
» from the discrepancy funds.
>> Okay, we have a motion and a second

745
01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:30,160
for the October Fest. Is there any
further discussion on this one's for the

746
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,119
I'm sorry.

747
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:48,880
» Yeah, sir. I didn't circle number.
Apologize. Anyway, have a motion in a

748
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:52,319
second. Any further discussion?
Hearing none. Vote, please.

749
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,240
» Trusty Bethl,
>> yes.

750
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,599
» Trusty Price,
>> yes.

751
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,039
» Trusty Stalin,
>> yes.

752
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,440
» Trusty Wingle Black,
>> yes. Mayor Will Cox.

753
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:05,119
» Yes.
>> Motion passes.

754
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:15,720
Okay. I 10 set a special meeting for
discussion of the water line to

755
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:15,720
B PBSD by the LA school district.

756
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:20,359
Well,

757
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:32,319
is there a date that
works best for?

758
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:38,640
» I'm open
as well. Depends on what time day it is.

759
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:44,960
» I've got a boiler inspection next Monday
and after that I'm open from now till

760
01:08:42,799 --> 01:08:50,880
» almost next week.
>> Yeah, I'm going to be here.

761
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:55,400
if you are your child,
>> but it doesn't have to wait for me.

762
01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:00,679
» Yeah. in in that uh

763
01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:06,799
19th.
>> I would ask that you guys read what the

764
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:14,319
municipal code says
and spend some time on

765
01:09:09,679 --> 01:09:18,159
Google searching other who pays for
who pays for the cost of a water line to

766
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:21,920
be installed
and what state statute in Colorado that

767
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:25,480
refers to. You guys can find the
information you need.

768
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:33,679
Um,
>> and keep in mind our fiscally

769
01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:42,359
responsibility duty to the to the
constituents of our town, not the entire

770
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:42,359
community, please. That's all I ask of.

771
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:52,719
And since it is a a special u discussion
about the waterline and it involves the

772
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:56,960
school
probably need to contact

773
01:09:54,880 --> 01:10:01,199
the school superintendent
because I believe

774
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:05,440
» I would get your advice from before you
contact him

775
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:09,280
» the I've spoken with um the crown
attorney and his suggestion is that when

776
01:10:07,679 --> 01:10:14,800
we hold this meeting we have an
executive session so that you guys can

777
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,800
receive legal advice.

778
01:10:15,679 --> 01:10:23,760
So that's part of it is I'm not sure we
necessarily want to invite the school

779
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:27,440
yet.
>> Yeah. I just didn't know if if because

780
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:32,800
we were discussing something that
involved them if they if they had the

781
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:36,000
right to be there at that meeting. Okay.
>> The public portion of the meeting. Yes.

782
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:40,560
They would have every right to be at an
executive session. They do not have a

783
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:44,920
right to be at the time.
I have to have 24-hour notice.

784
01:10:52,159 --> 01:11:00,120
» I assume that the attorney would come up
action either person.

785
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:00,120
» Mhm.

786
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:09,199
» Yeah. We could do bright orange or you
guys can

787
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:13,679
I don't have to be here,
of course. You know, I have a lot to say

788
01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:16,960
and I would like to hear, but I don't
want to hear. I'm just

789
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:20,159
» come back.
>> I do not know.

790
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:27,679
» But I'm going on vacation in the second
week of October. Oh, I've got three

791
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:30,480
weeks bringing up weeks.
>> What are you leaving, Jessica?

792
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:35,679
» Saturday morning.
>> Okay.

793
01:11:33,199 --> 01:11:41,960
Then you see if the the attorney can be
here before Friday and then we could

794
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:50,679
» let's just schedule it attentively for
10 a.m. Friday

795
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,679
and see if that works for

796
01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:54,199
this

797
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:59,040
» Friday the 12th
>> Friday the 5th.

798
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:01,760
» This Friday.
>> This Friday. Okay. Well, I won't be

799
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:06,280
here.
>> You're not

800
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,280
No,

801
01:12:06,719 --> 01:12:12,600
» I I'm leaving and I'll be back on the uh
13th.

802
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:21,800
Go back to California. My dog.
>> Oh,

803
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:21,800
flying out tomorrow.

804
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:30,960
Then my family, the niece and the dogs,
they're all going to come back. We'll be

805
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:34,719
here until sometime November. Can you do
Zoom

806
01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:40,040
Friday morning?
>> Friday morning? No, I I fly out

807
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:40,040
tomorrow.

808
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:46,480
» Oh, Zoom.
>> No, he cannot. We'll be at a funeral.

809
01:12:45,679 --> 01:12:49,600
» Okay.
>> No, you cannot.

810
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:54,000
» Yeah, we cannot. We'll be at a funeral.
Yes. Got it.

811
01:12:50,719 --> 01:12:57,400
» Thank you, J.
Appreciate that.

812
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:01,520
And it's not going to be mine, I hope.

813
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:11,880
Bring the family back.

814
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:18,239
» Well, we could try we could try th
Thursday at 10 a.m. at the can be here.

815
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:23,679
» Not tomorrow. This Thursday.
>> I mean, no, not tomorrow. It would have

816
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:29,520
to be Friday and it's Thursday.
>> Friday at the earliest or tomorrow?

817
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:34,280
Yeah.
Yeah, it doesn't have to be event

818
01:13:35,679 --> 01:13:39,719
45 minutes to post it.

819
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:47,840
» Yeah, me earlier the better.
>> Be in the States

820
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,920
and I'm going to be focused on my
family.

821
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,600
» Well, right.
>> No,

822
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:55,600
» at 9:00 a.m.
>> No.

823
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:58,480
Well, that's someone saying we're
talking.

824
01:13:56,080 --> 01:14:01,440
» Oh, Terry just asked if I can do Zoom
out of town.

825
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:04,800
» Oh, I was sorry. I was listening to
Terry or whatever. Sorry, Terry. It's

826
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:08,320
» Listen.
>> So, can we do this earlier? Can we do it

827
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:10,960
at 9:00 instead of 10?
>> Sounds good to me.

828
01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:15,360
» Friday.
>> That's fine with me.

829
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:18,600
» Ducty would have to
>> about 8:30.

830
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:24,800
I mean,
>> it would have to be posted by 9:00 a.m.

831
01:14:21,679 --> 01:14:24,800
tomorrow morning.

832
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:35,360
This is posted in 20 minutes.
>> Can you make the poster door?

833
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:39,880
» That's why you're here.
If you give me a Sharpie and a piece of

834
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,880
paper

835
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:43,080
to open,

836
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:53,480
» we definitely need to make sure Bruce
could be done.

837
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,080
» Is Bruce still here, Mike?
>> No, he was.

838
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,600
» No,
>> I think you guys are just cutting it too

839
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:07,800
close by rushing into Friday. Gary will
be back on the not till the 13th.

840
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:07,800
» That's a Saturday. 's got to get moving.

841
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:15,120
» So, we're got to get moving.
>> Yeah.

842
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:20,880
» I think Friday at 9's a little
stressful, though. As far as

843
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:23,880
» the agenda has to be posted
and

844
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:31,480
» is 10 phasable, dusty
or nine?

845
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:38,000
and is probably better
>> because she still has to confirm with

846
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,640
everybody else.
>> Well, yeah. I'm gonna have to get a hold

847
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:44,159
of the town attorney and confirm with
him and I need to keep her in Bruce that

848
01:15:42,719 --> 01:15:49,520
that he'll be around on that day and
time. Um,

849
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:56,320
wish you a little finagling and I need
to have enough time

850
01:15:51,760 --> 01:16:00,000
to where I'm not running trying to get
something posted and then it's a minute

851
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:03,719
late posted and then there I am and now
I've messed up everything.

852
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:08,440
If you just give me that little bit of
cushion,

853
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,880
» okay,
>> then we can shoot for 10:00 and I'll let

854
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:17,920
you know as soon as I know tomorrow
morning. Okay.

855
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:21,280
» Yeah. Either 10 or two.
>> Huh?

856
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:24,000
» 10 or two.
>> 12:30.

857
01:16:22,159 --> 01:16:28,719
» 10 in the morning or 2:00 in the
afternoon. I mean, if we're going to go

858
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:33,800
10, we might as well go two
cuz it's right there in the middle of

859
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,800
the day. And that just

860
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:44,520
stuff. So, that's why I was trying to
have it earlier, but like I said,

861
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,520
whatever. Let's keep going.

862
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:54,400
Well, I would say contact Bruce and
contact the attorney and

863
01:16:51,520 --> 01:17:00,159
see what's most feasible for that and
see if we can make it happen.

864
01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:04,920
» And
thank you.

865
01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:04,920
» Thank you.

866
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:12,280
Item 11, broadband fiber discussion.

867
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,600
Wow.

868
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:25,520
You mentioned that they have one power
line to bring in. Not here in Denver.

869
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:29,440
Sounds like they're waiting on that last
piece.

870
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:35,960
Can we figure out how much the town has
to pay for this?

871
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:35,960
One month. Secrets

872
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:43,199
» secret.
I mean obviously

873
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:45,679
» we're three years behind schedule too.
So

874
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:48,679
» there's no secrets. Everything's a
secret.

875
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:57,760
» I I was down last weekend because the
fire was not installed. I lost two or

876
01:17:55,280 --> 01:18:02,560
three customers. Two customers been with
me for years.

877
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:07,440
Um I'm sick of waiting in town. I know
it's not my turn to talk, but

878
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:14,320
I wasn't on the agenda, but that's okay.
I wasn't planning on talking. Was good.

879
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:19,480
I just don't feel like this is, you
know, some of waste my time.

880
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:24,159
» It's been going on and on and I
understand your frustration.

881
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:28,320
» Yeah.
>> Well, the crazy thing is it was the most

882
01:18:26,719 --> 01:18:34,560
V1s
and their time bomb on the GPS. I found

883
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:39,120
that out Friday afternoon on top of me.
So all you got to do is cut the uh desk

884
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:43,960
and then off. First you got to take them
apart, bring them down up

885
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:50,159
years.
>> Have they settled on an affordable price

886
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:55,199
for you?
>> No. You

887
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:59,840
know what I say?
I've been with them for 12 years. It's

888
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:05,280
it's comparable market rates I've seen
other places. what they want to charge

889
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:10,640
me for rack space up here I think is 10
times what I paid them invoice rack

890
01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:14,320
space so that was frustrating but I
understand what I was paying them

891
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:16,880
previously was not sustainable I got
grandfathered in as one of their first

892
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:22,800
clients
>> I disagree about

893
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:28,800
somewhere in the middle and and we had a
long discussion yesterday and probably

894
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:34,159
will be this week um I want them to stay
around want to say see them sustainable

895
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:37,440
Um, but
from my standpoint, everything was

896
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:44,640
handed to you. Now you have to maintain
it. So does the necessity need to, you

897
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:47,840
know, be to maintain your entire estate
project. You represent helping to be

898
01:19:46,719 --> 01:19:50,239
maintainable.
>> We're not getting any money from region

899
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:55,199
10.
>> Correct. Correct. No, no. I just they

900
01:19:52,320 --> 01:20:00,120
they don't need us providers don't need
to pay for their whole three-state

901
01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:00,120
network. Yeah.

902
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:11,679
» He's got great pricing. He lives in
junction. He's got some sweet deals.

903
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:17,440
» We have to maintain all the all the
fiber. Just so you know, the town

904
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:20,719
» back to Quebec
>> from back ditch the mid. We have to

905
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:25,520
maintain all
>> I concede that because I think you're

906
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:31,120
responsible for the downtown building
>> then in charging us is responsible for

907
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:33,199
everything from the CNL panel. I'd love
to look

908
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:40,560
» I'd like for you to look over those
agreements too because it doesn't seem

909
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:46,400
» the reason I see bringing them in to
help for that reason that you were only

910
01:20:43,679 --> 01:20:54,080
responsible here in the same job but I
would love that they do their

911
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:59,440
» well the agreement was signed it was
pushed through a year and a half ago

912
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:03,920
before this board took over and not a
single question was asked And it was a

913
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:09,280
heck of a long agreement. happy to call
them tomorrow.

914
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:13,360
I work with
>> they do have a lot of locations and I

915
01:21:11,679 --> 01:21:17,679
think that's one reason it's behind
schedule

916
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:23,280
got wrapped in these bigger projects
than the funding and I think I think I

917
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:28,440
wouldn't be surprised part of their high
prices because C do is probably

918
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:36,159
ripping them off really bad.
Um,

919
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:40,600
but I don't see, you know, I I think
Danny and I could run this whole thing,

920
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:47,920
you know,
probably make it competitive. I think

921
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:52,719
right now
letter you guys got there. You're just

922
01:21:49,920 --> 01:22:00,080
listening to us at Barrow. Over's got
the uh contract with the school. So,

923
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:05,280
» another company came in. So it's going
to be interesting too.

924
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:09,360
» The company came in to get the
>> that's brainstorm.

925
01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:12,320
» They have them previously as a what do
you call it? They have some sort of

926
01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:16,800
government grant program for their
internet and then they're the only I

927
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:20,159
don't know I'm not approved to give them
that. What is the name of that program?

928
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:25,120
» Oh yeah.
>> They they have a previous contract that

929
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:29,520
lasts until November,
February somewhere in there until they

930
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:34,440
are able to look for something else. So
the school has to bring this contract

931
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,440
through very

932
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:39,840
they should have put out the bid.
>> Well, it's coming up to it's a 5year

933
01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:46,159
contract before this unit started. It's
coming up this year, too. Do it.

934
01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:49,840
I mean, it depends on the school and how
they do it. You know, they can do it out

935
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:55,000
once a month or you know if you're even
approved

936
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,000
resell

937
01:22:55,199 --> 01:23:04,880
coming out they previous
correct me if I'm wrong with it. Did you

938
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:11,920
did you say now I told
uh that we would be responsible for the

939
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:15,760
magnets where from the back to the midp
let's find that out. I I don't know.

940
01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:19,280
Let's find that out. It's the last
meeting in March. I think it's March

941
01:23:17,679 --> 01:23:23,280
9th,
2024.

942
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:28,239
Huge agreement. You can probably come in
and request it.

943
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:34,520
» Do we have anybody from region 10 on
with us tonight? I know requesting one

944
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:34,520
here.

945
01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:46,080
» Let's uh ask person in charge.
>> Tell us what you know, Eric.

946
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:52,320
» Hi there. Good to meet you all.
As you might know, I'm um also have

947
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:57,040
roots in Plat Valley, graduated from
Plato Valley High School and related to

948
01:23:54,639 --> 01:24:03,120
the hills of Coburn
and uh was in Mr. Winkle Black's class

949
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:10,560
in sixth grade. So deep roots
>> in the county and in um the area. Most

950
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:15,679
of my family still lives there. So um I
wasn't involved with some of those

951
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:19,760
negotiations that were u I wasn't part
associated with breathing 10 when those

952
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:26,639
were made. So I can't speak to the
details of how and the rationale behind

953
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:32,960
say maintenance of the fiber uh going
from back to culbrin. Um, I can tell you

954
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:37,760
how this is being run everywhere else
and that Culbrron is just basically one

955
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:44,960
node on a giant network that goes all
the way from Denver to Grand Junction

956
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:48,719
and includes nodes that that region 10
built. they were really building it just

957
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:55,520
to get themselves better internet from
Denver, but then there were all these I7

958
01:24:51,840 --> 01:25:01,120
corridor uh locations that said, "Hey,
we we'd like to get some better back

959
01:24:57,440 --> 01:25:07,840
hall um along I72." And so the concept
of the CNL is not new. It's been it's

960
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:13,520
been employed um in Project Thor in the
area around Eagle and um all the way up

961
01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:18,159
to Steamboat and stuff for some time and
rather effectively and uh they pay

962
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:22,320
actually the individual communities up
there pay a tremendous amount per month

963
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:26,800
just to maintain that network. Uh region
10 does it a little bit differently. the

964
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:32,880
only way that they may make income on
income for the what the counties of the

965
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:37,760
six counties of region 10 have um
contributed towards dual grants like for

966
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:42,239
20-year IRUs for fiber going all the way
with Zo and C dot to Denver and to Grand

967
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:45,840
Junction and elsewhere all the way down
to to Nucla and eventually that's going

968
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:52,159
to extend down to where I live which is
in Pagosa Springs which is in region 9.

969
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:59,360
Um the only way that they maintain any
of their sustainability is via leasing

970
01:25:55,760 --> 01:26:04,480
of uh those those fiber lines on a dark
fiber lease. Um in some cases or not

971
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:07,840
dark fiber lease, sorry, sorry, it's a
little bit more technical than that and

972
01:26:05,679 --> 01:26:11,840
I won't get into it. It's more of a it's
optical transport gear where they put

973
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:19,199
very expensive equipment that they paid
for into these CNLs and that provide

974
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:23,600
internet to Daniel or Mark or Vero or
whomever else wants to be in there. It's

975
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:28,239
a carrier neutral location meaning it
doesn't anyone can be in there. anyone

976
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:34,960
gets the same prices. And those prices,
I didn't set those either, but they did

977
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:39,760
have a um Colorado based internet um
consulting and broadband consulting

978
01:26:36,719 --> 01:26:46,960
company do a survey of those to find
what the the current standards were both

979
01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:52,560
for um the prices that they're currently
advertising across the board for um

980
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:56,880
being in the CNL. that's basically
commensurate with colllocation is also

981
01:26:54,800 --> 01:27:01,679
what it's called is another name for
being in Iraq and having space and

982
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:04,719
having you know access to the power and
the in the redundant cooling and the in

983
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:11,040
the generators and everything else that
goes with that. Um so they do uh have

984
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:16,880
rack space that they um that they charge
for in a half rack or a full rack um

985
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:22,480
increments, but also for either the
internet that they're providing which is

986
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:28,480
um fed from either Denver or Salt Lake
right now is what the the plan is and um

987
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:35,040
is almost complete as Daniel mentioned.
We're just waiting on Lumen in um in

988
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:39,840
1850 Pearl Street in Denver to bring in
the right power for to run the last

989
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:44,239
router. the the optical transport gear
which is as high very complicated and

990
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:50,480
highly expensive equipment is installed
in Cronin as it is in um all the other

991
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:56,639
locations along I7 that wanted to become
part of this network which included

992
01:27:52,719 --> 01:28:01,360
Newcastle Glenwood Palisade Rifle um a
lot of Mesa County and Garfield County

993
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:07,440
locations and Palisad Grand themsel and
Pruda are all included and and PBR got

994
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:11,440
in in a part of that. I, you know, from
having grown up there, we didn't really

995
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:15,600
have internet at the school, I think Mr.
Shot had an email address and he was the

996
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:19,280
only person I knew who had an email
address when I was in high school. So,

997
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:23,360
wasn't an issue back then, but a huge
issue now. I I support the school

998
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:27,120
district down here in Arceloa County.
And um I've kind of gone through the

999
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:31,520
same process where and that's how I even
got hooked up with threes and 10 is that

1000
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:37,360
we had a single century link line of
fiber line coming in to uh Barcela

1001
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:43,120
County and we're building we're not um
our fiber as well all the way to to um

1002
01:28:40,719 --> 01:28:47,199
Durango through the southern u tribe and
then leasing from seed dot going over

1003
01:28:45,199 --> 01:28:51,679
Wolf Creek just so we can get
alternative paths into and out of our

1004
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:55,040
area which is you know affects public
safety with the cell phone tower. It

1005
01:28:53,440 --> 01:29:01,040
affects the school districts and all the
other organizations that depend on um

1006
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:06,639
you know good b good broadband and
especially high high capacity like the

1007
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:10,320
school district might need. Um and we're
we're I I'm the broadband manager for

1008
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:16,080
Archel County in addition to helping
region 10. Um I was already going to

1009
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:20,880
lease from CEO going to Wolf Creek Pass.
But the problem is where do I go from

1010
01:29:18,719 --> 01:29:25,040
there? That gets me to South Fork. Um,
Southport is not where the internet

1011
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:30,159
lives and Debec is also not where the
internet lives. And you, if you connect

1012
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:36,320
to something, you can't just have, you
know, a CNL or even just fiber to to

1013
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:40,159
this the C do um location on the highway
there in Tobec. You need something that

1014
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:46,560
takes you all the way to the internet
points of presence. And um that's what

1015
01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:50,719
this the Reason 10 network does. And
that's what it's meant to do. And it

1016
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:56,239
will if you take advantage of that and
then let whomever wins the um for say

1017
01:29:54,400 --> 01:30:01,120
for the school district whoever wins the
rate competition and it could be any of

1018
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:04,880
these guys that are in this room um they
get a spin number when it comes up for

1019
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:09,440
bid. I think I heard that mentioned.
They can all utilize your town fiber

1020
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:13,760
that's already built to just say, "Okay,
well, we'll use the region 10 network.

1021
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:16,880
We'll buy some internet from them. We'll
patch that in at the CNL over to the

1022
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:22,239
school district." And the school
district from day one should have a gig,

1023
01:30:19,679 --> 01:30:26,880
five gigs, whatever they need for the
entire school to be able to to run

1024
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:31,520
efficiently and effectively from that
day forward. And what I'm hearing is

1025
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:36,080
currently the wireless that was
inherited I think by Vero from

1026
01:30:33,199 --> 01:30:40,400
Brainstorm is very unreliable and does
not give the school district what they

1027
01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:44,080
need on a daily basis to perform
adequate schooling. So this is all

1028
01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:49,679
really the same thing I'm trying to do
down here in Archeletta County is what's

1029
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:54,480
happening there in uh Coburn where in
Plat Valley um in general where we're

1030
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:59,840
trying to get connect better connected
than the old Century Link lines um that

1031
01:30:57,199 --> 01:31:04,560
we had in Arcelota County or whatever it
is that you also are using. I think it's

1032
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:09,280
microwave for the most part um over the
mesa. Uh we're trying to get better

1033
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:14,800
connections into the world. Um Mr. K,
which I'm sure um Gary uh Mr.

1034
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:19,199
Winkleblack also remember would often
say to our high school, there is a world

1035
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:23,520
beyond these hills. That was his mantra
almost every day we went into social

1036
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:30,639
study and this is how we connect to the
world on the beyond these hills.

1037
01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:36,320
» Hey Eric, real quick a question for you.
Um, so I guess the question made before

1038
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:42,239
we started this was who is in the in the
region 10 contract? If there was a break

1039
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:46,880
exactly the midpoint between Culbrin and
Debec on on that on that line, if there

1040
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:50,560
was a break, who pays the bill to get
somebody to run out there and fix it?

1041
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:54,880
Just just real quick on that.
>> As far as I understand, the maintenance

1042
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:59,440
is on the town to do that. Having said
that, you know that V-Road isn't going

1043
01:31:57,199 --> 01:32:03,360
to have a lot of digging going on on it.
and I do all of the maintenance of all

1044
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:06,800
the fiber that our solo county
maintains. It's not going to be region

1045
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:11,120
9. It's not going to be region 10, but
we will take advantage just like you do

1046
01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:16,639
with the uh optical transport gear
that's in our CNL and and uh providing

1047
01:32:14,719 --> 01:32:24,639
housing essentially for that equipment
here and be happy to have it. Um it the

1048
01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:29,600
breaks that happen within town um from
the anchor institutions wherever you

1049
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:34,159
have your town fiber. Uh that's why
there's a suggestion to re to get a

1050
01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:41,280
monthly fee for that so you can build a
maintenance fee um that you can then pay

1051
01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:45,920
a purion or deeply digital somebody in
Grand Junction that has slicing

1052
01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:48,400
capability and um I don't know about the
locating. I think it's mostly aerial,

1053
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:52,239
right? So, you're not going to have to
do a whole lot of locating in town, but

1054
01:32:50,159 --> 01:32:58,400
and I understand that Mike might be able
to do what part that you do have, but I

1055
01:32:55,840 --> 01:33:04,400
think I've never really paid um once I
build up about $10,000 in a maintenance

1056
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:08,800
fee that will pay for an average um
likely occurrence of a break here in

1057
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:13,280
Bagosa. And you have I have a lot more
um potential break points of crossings

1058
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:17,360
of highways and uh I think a snow plow
hit at one spot of school when they you

1059
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:21,840
know we're going up an alleyway. Um
there there's at times it happens but

1060
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:26,800
the average cost per fix was about5 to
$7,000. I never really have had more

1061
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:31,520
than once a year. Usually it's one not
even every year. Uh and that's here I

1062
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:36,400
think in Coburn. Um the way I've seen
your network um and that especially that

1063
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:43,120
connection from
Debec to Pagosa, it's just maybe a wash

1064
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:47,600
out is your biggest issue of if you
actually had a flash flood that took out

1065
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:51,440
where that's buried and it's usually I
think about 4 foot down. So that's

1066
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:56,000
pretty unlikely even on itself in the
road. But I yes that's what I my

1067
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:59,920
understanding is I like I said I wasn't
part of that negotiation is that the

1068
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:04,400
town is responsible for the maintenance.
But my suggestion is take those internal

1069
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:09,280
funds that you do to lease to the the
fiber in town and build up a maintenance

1070
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:13,679
fund and then you can you can fix splice
cases when they get broken at some point

1071
01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:18,159
and like after 10 years and start to
leak. Um if there is you know something

1072
01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:23,120
that happens or you know somebody hits a
pole and knocks it down. Yeah. Usually,

1073
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:27,760
you can recover that cost from if it's a
contractor or commercial entity, you can

1074
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:31,760
recover that cost from uh their
insurance company, but you still have to

1075
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:34,639
pay it usually to get the guys to fix it
first and then you try to recover that

1076
01:34:33,199 --> 01:34:37,600
afterwards. So, it's good to have a fund
even if you're going to recover your

1077
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:40,800
cost.
Does that answer your question? I mean,

1078
01:34:38,639 --> 01:34:45,280
it's as much as I could.
>> Yes. Could you um find that portion in

1079
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:48,639
the agreement and send that over
tomorrow?

1080
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:53,520
uh the portion that talks about the
maintenance of it. I I'll I'll ask

1081
01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:57,440
Michelle to find it for me or one of the
gals in region 10. For sure.

1082
01:34:56,239 --> 01:35:00,159
» Thank you very much.
>> I'd love for you to read the whole

1083
01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:04,960
concept. Both of you.
>> From what I understand, there's already

1084
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:10,560
just since the fiber was installed, it
wants to be drilled. There's already uh

1085
01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:15,920
the plow paw has been exposed through
washouts or flash floods, whatever.

1086
01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:20,400
» I I don't know anything about that. So,
if it has been, that's news to me. But,

1087
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:24,400
as far as um maintenance of that, if
there are areas that are subject to

1088
01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:28,400
flash floods, I would hope that they the
installers would have put some level of,

1089
01:35:26,719 --> 01:35:33,440
you know, extra protection against that
or it might be wise to have um somebody

1090
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:38,800
from maintenance do that, whether it's a
meshing system or something to just kind

1091
01:35:35,199 --> 01:35:42,239
of protect it from actual wash out. Um
yeah, in general, I mean, just the the

1092
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:46,400
conduit being exposed is not going to
cause a problem. It's what you know

1093
01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:51,360
might happen after that if a rock gets
you know dropped on it or somebody

1094
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:55,040
drives on it while it's exposed. Um
we've had wash outs here between our

1095
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:58,960
believes and Pagosa before and it it's
never caused an outage but it you know

1096
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:05,360
is something when it's exposed it does
need to be rearied.

1097
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:12,159
» Right. No, I just from working through
uh Quest communication seeing even

1098
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:15,679
critters chew through it just I don't
know if they feel frequency.

1099
01:36:13,679 --> 01:36:20,480
» I've never seen them. Oh, sorry. I
didn't know we were finished. Um you get

1100
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:23,120
critters. You said
>> like

1101
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:28,719
» I have never seen them chew through an
HDP standard um conduit. I have had them

1102
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:33,199
I have had beavers chew through cable
but there and some of the areas that

1103
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:37,840
I've you know buried up here but I've
never certainly critters can be an

1104
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:42,280
issue. Uh but it's generally HTTP
conduit is is pretty robust.

1105
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:48,840
» Okay.
What is what is the uh

1106
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:57,199
so the proposed
rental of the rack space

1107
01:36:55,199 --> 01:37:04,239
that the ISP
has to pay and then

1108
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:09,920
when the customer ends up
having to because just like these

1109
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:17,119
tariffs that are going on they're going
to have to pass along up their rates.

1110
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:21,920
in order for it to be feas to stay in
business.

1111
01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:25,440
» What are we looking at for the customer?
>> Well, there's a cost to there's a cost

1112
01:37:23,440 --> 01:37:29,520
to doing business when you're in the in
any kind of business and internet

1113
01:37:27,199 --> 01:37:34,000
service provider is no different. I I do
my own small wisp and yeah, there's some

1114
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:39,679
overhead that I have to pay for my
bandwidth um for um you know whether

1115
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:44,639
it's rack space or tower space. there's
all these fees that are associated with

1116
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:50,719
it and you do generally try to charge
enough um to to make a profit at the end

1117
01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:54,960
of it. But as far as the internal u
financials that's going on with each of

1118
01:37:52,560 --> 01:38:00,320
your ISPs, I can't speak to those. But
others here in in uh in region 10 don't

1119
01:37:58,639 --> 01:38:06,480
seem to have a problem. I've floated
that same pricing to um the what we're

1120
01:38:04,639 --> 01:38:10,960
setting up here in Pagosa and I have not
gotten any push back from the ISPs here

1121
01:38:08,719 --> 01:38:16,800
as being what they they recognize that
it's an expensive pro uh pro prospect to

1122
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:20,639
run aworked system and and it's in
everyone's interest that it is

1123
01:38:18,639 --> 01:38:25,920
sustainable which is really all region
10 is is just a collection of you know

1124
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:30,320
the governments of those six counties
and you know so anything that they have

1125
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:36,480
ever tried to do and they've done it for
over 10 years as Daniel said um is try

1126
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:41,440
to maintain a level of sustainability
not um profit because at certain point

1127
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:45,520
DOA doesn't want to pay for maintenance
when you have to do a refresh they need

1128
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:50,000
you and they actually some lot of times
require you to show they have a

1129
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:55,119
capability of sustaining the network on
its own uh so we're not a private um

1130
01:38:52,960 --> 01:39:00,400
region 10 is not a private company um
and they don't have venture capitalist

1131
01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:06,400
backing they don't have um any other
ways to um you know get a line of credit

1132
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:10,960
even to maintain their network. They
need to get to a level of sustainability

1133
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:14,800
and if they can actually lower the
prices at some point across the board

1134
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:19,840
and still be sustainable that may
happen. Um and there is some level of

1135
01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:23,600
give and take that does occur um when we
hear that you know okay well I'm paying

1136
01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:28,719
this much somewhere else. So if they do
get a comparable that's actually

1137
01:39:26,239 --> 01:39:34,960
comparable what region 10's apples to
apples situation is they will bend they

1138
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:39,520
will adjust to that. Um, so
what I could say is I I have seen

1139
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:45,040
nothing thus far that should prohibit
the the use of this and the improvement

1140
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:52,560
of service that it provides for back
hall internet uh from making it so that

1141
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:56,560
the any company with at least several
hundred subscribers if not several

1142
01:39:54,159 --> 01:40:00,320
thousand um I guess there's what how
many 200 in the valley these days. How

1143
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:04,560
many is there?
>> You can't count the valley. You can only

1144
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:07,800
count the town which 180 locations
because this

1145
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:17,199
» the the the actual CNL was built in the
town but not only for the town. I mean

1146
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:22,800
I'm the hope is everywhere that is
>> the hope is everywhere that it's

1147
01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:26,960
» you want to follow down 45
county residents.

1148
01:40:24,719 --> 01:40:33,600
» My my hope is
my Can I speak please? Um my hope is

1149
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:39,199
that um and I think everywhere is that
the the fiber running into Culbrron

1150
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:46,000
would be used to serve greater Plato
Valley residents and that's what the

1151
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:51,199
ISPs there are already doing and my my
family being amongst them would benefit

1152
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:56,080
from this greater internet with actually
what's going to be less cost per per

1153
01:40:54,560 --> 01:41:00,719
megabit
um and certainly more reliable. that's

1154
01:40:58,159 --> 01:41:07,280
what has been available in the the
valley before that that's not that's not

1155
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:11,920
the pricing that the ISPs here um should
be limiting themselves to is several

1156
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:15,880
hundred uh residents of Coburn because
that's not what they're doing now

1157
01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:24,400
» Eric yeah I I've never talked to you in
person and I'd hate to ambush you here

1158
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:31,440
in this meeting I I've been around since
uh Eagle Net and Eagle Net was lower per

1159
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:37,360
price per megabit than what you guys are
quoting. Also, I've had other service

1160
01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:42,560
with region 10 and you know didn't pay
that high price. Your prices have been

1161
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:46,639
all over the board as currently I guess
they should well or over the years

1162
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:53,119
probably be a better way to put it. Um
but now you're you're charging more than

1163
01:41:50,239 --> 01:41:57,920
the average provider uh whether it's
FastTrack or somebody else.

1164
01:41:55,760 --> 01:42:01,199
So that's where I came from.
>> Um

1165
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:06,560
I wasn't here during Eagle Met. I'm
aware of its fa of its failures though.

1166
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:11,679
Um but what I can say the prices that
we're quoting are being met and accepted

1167
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:18,159
by other providers within the Grand
Valley and other places. So it's um it's

1168
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:25,199
not that we can do a scaled approach to
where somehow it's going to be less per

1169
01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:30,639
megabit um in uh Coburn and Plat Valley
than it will be elsewhere at Debec or

1170
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:36,480
Parachute or Glenwood or any of the
other places that it is being accepted.

1171
01:42:32,639 --> 01:42:42,639
So if there are other like apples to
apples comparisons that you can provide,

1172
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:47,920
I have seen them um adjust pricing uh to
try to meet that. And so if you have

1173
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:52,800
that then please provide it um is what I
would uh advise you to do Mark.

1174
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:58,960
» Well it should be based on the
population whether we go with the 2200

1175
01:42:55,679 --> 01:43:03,840
or if we go with 180. But either case,
that's not a a high quantity. We're

1176
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:07,679
we're talking about Delta County, the
town of Delta, Montrose, Grand Junction,

1177
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:12,960
Pruda, as you guys mentioned. I don't
know why you guys remember BrutA. Um,

1178
01:43:10,719 --> 01:43:16,560
you know, it's not,
you know, or there's plenty of service

1179
01:43:14,639 --> 01:43:22,480
everywhere, but there's not that much
competition here. And yeah, Daniel

1180
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:26,960
Starling down, too.
I'm I'm really not gonna I'm not going

1181
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:32,560
to argue about what you think that the
pricing schema should be based upon. I'm

1182
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:38,159
telling you what others are paying
>> three years ago or to start it. But it's

1183
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:43,280
not your fault. You are the one who said
it. I just have something to say that

1184
01:43:40,719 --> 01:43:50,880
concerns me because we have two local
providers that bust their butt to

1185
01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:58,639
provide for us and um if they have to
double their pricing to accommodate

1186
01:43:55,600 --> 01:44:03,440
us, we'll go we'll switch to Starlink
and we don't want to see our local

1187
01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:07,600
businesses go out of business.
Everywhere else this is being used that

1188
01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:15,280
I have seen it employed as far as the
pricing that is being also offered for

1189
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:22,320
rack space and internet and transport to
u the Culbrron CNL. The providers are

1190
01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:28,239
offering gigabit service for fiber for
$60 a month and they're doing less than

1191
01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:33,760
$100 for wireless. So there shouldn't be
any reason that that can't also be the

1192
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:39,440
case in Culbrron and Plat Valley. And
I'm saying this as an ISP myself in a

1193
01:44:36,239 --> 01:44:44,080
small form of a WHIS WISP. These prices
are not going to jack up their prices

1194
01:44:41,679 --> 01:44:47,679
unless they choose to do that. It is
just part of the overhead of running a

1195
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:51,920
business.
>> Mark, how many clients do you have

1196
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:57,600
customers? Total total
>> in this area not everywhere

1197
01:44:54,239 --> 01:45:04,560
» in about 800 in Mason County
>> in just Colin area

1198
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:10,639
» I have like 14 people on fiber
>> of the 180 locations. So the take r's

1199
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:17,760
not been that great either.
So yeah 14 times 60.

1200
01:45:15,679 --> 01:45:21,840
Is that your only w is that your only
customers? Are there fiber customers in

1201
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:27,760
Plato Valley?
>> No, for fiber. Yeah, that's what he's

1202
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:31,480
saying. For fiber, he's got 14. But
>> what about all together?

1203
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:39,840
» I think I probably couple hundred maybe
the whole the whole valley. Maybe

1204
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:45,520
I have to look.
I just I'm so

1205
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:50,560
What about you, Daniel?
They're about probably 350 in in the

1206
01:45:47,679 --> 01:45:54,960
valley here
>> and and it could be scaled down to the

1207
01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:59,440
lowest that they're that it's being
offered is a gigabit of DIA which is

1208
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:05,920
direct internet access. So meaning
getting internet from the wholesale

1209
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:09,119
provider at uh this that they can use
for any of their customers no matter

1210
01:46:07,679 --> 01:46:13,840
whether they're fiber, whether they're
fixed wireless, whether they're cable,

1211
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:18,800
all those can be fed by this back haul
and it's made redundant. So if you get a

1212
01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:23,520
fiber cut in Glenwood Canyon, it will
route out to if you're buying that um

1213
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:27,360
internet access, it will route to Salt
Lake. It will still get you out. It's

1214
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:31,920
made to be redundant. This is all part
of their 800 what's going to be an 800

1215
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:36,159
mile loop that goes through Pigosa that
makes it so the western slope is finally

1216
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:42,159
not dependent on places like Censory
Link to get these depend these um

1217
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:49,119
redundant services. And so I think you
know what it is that's being provided is

1218
01:46:44,719 --> 01:46:53,840
not can't be um undersold or oversold.
It can't be oversold as far as what is a

1219
01:46:51,440 --> 01:46:57,360
difference from what it is previously
ava available in these small mountain

1220
01:46:55,600 --> 01:47:02,239
communities including mine and including
yours. This is something that I've been

1221
01:46:59,679 --> 01:47:09,600
waiting for for a long time. And so the
pricing while I I don't think it's

1222
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:14,480
outside of the bounds of what is um is
normal and and Mark's welcome to bring

1223
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:19,360
you examples of something that he feels
is different to Reason 10. And again,

1224
01:47:16,480 --> 01:47:24,239
I'm not the one that sets the prices. um
the differences in kind of what's being

1225
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:28,560
provided here is something that that
Plato Valley has never had.

1226
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:34,320
» And I'm I was almost astounded when I
heard that that was getting built across

1227
01:47:30,719 --> 01:47:39,600
Vro because the fact that there's um no
fiber that comes in as a back haul into

1228
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:44,639
Plat Valley and Culbrron is something
that makes it uniquely isolated from a

1229
01:47:42,239 --> 01:47:50,000
network and internet standpoint. and and
it has there has been many times I've

1230
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:55,040
been up there and had and could not work
with pre-starlink um because there was

1231
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:59,840
just no something happened to your back
haul and it was down and you didn't have

1232
01:47:57,440 --> 01:48:04,400
redundancy. You still have some problems
with redundancy just on that path and

1233
01:48:02,639 --> 01:48:08,159
it'd be great to have two paths. That's
you know but that's not always the

1234
01:48:05,679 --> 01:48:12,159
luxury that we you know we can have from
day one and it you know would have to go

1235
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:17,040
a different path than it does now. So,
getting this one currently set up,

1236
01:48:14,239 --> 01:48:20,639
working, and active is I the the
situation that I think we all want to

1237
01:48:18,639 --> 01:48:26,080
see happen.
And it's getting I mean, it's close

1238
01:48:22,719 --> 01:48:30,960
enough to have just be waiting on a a
power cord and um and Pearl Street and

1239
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:36,719
the and the routers to be programmed for
that to be become available to uh

1240
01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:40,400
Daniel, Mark, and uh and others. Vero
being um one that I know is very

1241
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:45,280
interested in it for the school under
their current rate contract.

1242
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:50,080
» Well, you know, my point is it be the
rate I mean the if we can actually have

1243
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:55,119
redundancy of the at the rate you're
talking that's one thing but it's not

1244
01:48:53,360 --> 01:49:00,000
you know we I' I've got to still
maintain my radio network because you're

1245
01:48:57,440 --> 01:49:04,239
going to have this break either on Vroad
or something like that. So I sought to

1246
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:11,360
maintain the infrastructure I already
have. It's just this gets to be another

1247
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:13,679
route. So now we do have a secondary
route.

1248
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:18,800
» Well, I I would think you would want it
to be your primary route. Um the speeds

1249
01:49:16,719 --> 01:49:22,560
that you're seeing from Grand Junction
right now when they're doing the testing

1250
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:27,920
on the optical gear from Grand Junction
to Denver was less than 3 milliseconds

1251
01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:32,400
um of speed. and and for you know those
of you that are ISPs in the audience you

1252
01:49:29,679 --> 01:49:36,639
you know that that's pretty good. Um so
it's both it's both and it's using level

1253
01:49:34,639 --> 01:49:40,000
three as the primary provider which is
different than all the other providers.

1254
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:45,440
I don't know who you're using as your
wholesaler for bandwidth um upstream of

1255
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:49,040
your network but most likely it's coming
from either cogen or hurricane. Well

1256
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:54,080
this one isn't. So it's redundant on
that level as well. So it's got multiple

1257
01:49:51,040 --> 01:50:00,080
layers of redundancy that will help um
maintain service for your customers. Uh

1258
01:49:57,199 --> 01:50:05,199
even if we do have some uh failures
within the upstream networks, there's it

1259
01:50:02,239 --> 01:50:10,560
will fail over to alternate directions.
>> Well, the current Western Slope price

1260
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:20,080
from FastTrack being a provider here,
Western Slope out of Durango is about

1261
01:50:15,119 --> 01:50:27,679
$1,100 for a five gig circuit.
which is pretty much what I would want

1262
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:34,560
out of full remote. Um, not $1,000 or
$1,500 for a one gig circuit,

1263
01:50:30,639 --> 01:50:39,600
» a five gig circuit for $1,100 and that
that's

1264
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:43,440
» Can we limit this to a discussion
between Region 10 and yourself? I just

1265
01:50:41,679 --> 01:50:45,840
don't think this is the forum to discuss
pricing and I was not prepared to do

1266
01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:49,679
that.
It happened three years ago, but we

1267
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:53,920
weren't invited at the time to be part
of this and this board just doesn't seem

1268
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:56,639
the value of it. I don't want to keep
beating everybody's time and I think

1269
01:50:55,280 --> 01:51:01,679
that that that was the last thing I did
want to say. So, Eric, I'm apologize for

1270
01:50:59,679 --> 01:51:07,679
that, but I did I just wanted to point
the discrepancies where you guys are at

1271
01:51:04,159 --> 01:51:12,000
compared to the rest of the world
or western Colorado.

1272
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:16,560
I I don't know that you're
characterizing the whole picture of what

1273
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:21,760
the network is and we'd be happy to do a
demonstration on that in case there's

1274
01:51:19,119 --> 01:51:27,040
people that are unaware of that. Cory is
on a plane today so he couldn't be here

1275
01:51:24,719 --> 01:51:34,400
but he does a very good demonstration of
what this network is, how it benefits

1276
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:40,480
the citizens of Western Slope and and
um without getting into pricing. pricing

1277
01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:45,280
is something that you and Daniel and um
whomever Bureau assigns to be their

1278
01:51:43,280 --> 01:51:49,679
their negotiator need to talk to us
about. I I I I I think from the

1279
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:55,119
standpoint of what it really can do for
the town, what it's going to do for

1280
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:59,040
Pagosa, um is it's going to get it's
going to make um our access to the

1281
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:04,159
internet something that I can now rely
on to use cloud services for all of our

1282
01:52:02,159 --> 01:52:10,639
school districts and all of our city and
county facilities. Whereas before we had

1283
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:14,400
to run um very expensive um uh servers
uh with storage area networks. Well,

1284
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:17,760
those are getting harder and harder to
maintain anyway because of where the

1285
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:21,920
world is going as you guys probably
know. So, we've got to have highly

1286
01:52:20,159 --> 01:52:25,599
redundant, highly capable internet
services to stay competitive with the

1287
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:29,599
world. And that's what this provides.
So, if you want a demonstration at some

1288
01:52:27,440 --> 01:52:32,960
point, if the town council would like
one to show what this network really is

1289
01:52:31,599 --> 01:52:38,440
about now that we're on the cusp of
lighting it up, I think we'd be happy to

1290
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:38,440
do that.

1291
01:52:44,719 --> 01:52:49,440
Any other discussion?
>> No.

1292
01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:55,119
» Thanks, Eric.
>> Thanks, Eric. We'll let we'll let you

1293
01:52:52,239 --> 01:52:59,360
guys uh negotiate and communicate and uh
read over the contract and go from there

1294
01:52:57,840 --> 01:53:03,040
and
see what happened.

1295
01:53:01,440 --> 01:53:10,880
I know there's a lot a lot of people
that have waited and Mark said it's

1296
01:53:06,719 --> 01:53:14,320
three three or more years uh past uh
what was done. So there's a lot of

1297
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:19,360
people that have
given up and they've just gone with

1298
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:25,679
Starlink and and that's Starlink they
they've commented on you know the towns

1299
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:30,400
page whatever that they won't go with
anybody else. all.

1300
01:53:28,719 --> 01:53:34,400
» Yeah, I'm in the I'm in the same boat
down here. I've been working on getting

1301
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:40,480
the fiber of a Wolf Creek now for eight
years. Um, and so I feel your pain. Um,

1302
01:53:38,639 --> 01:53:45,520
it's it's a long when you talk about
middle mile rural fiber buildouts and

1303
01:53:43,199 --> 01:53:48,560
all of this. It's uh there are a lot of
contingencies. There's a lot of

1304
01:53:46,719 --> 01:53:51,440
components, but once it's in place, I
think you guys will definitely see the

1305
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:54,880
difference. So, yeah, I think you should
be happy that it's finally coming to a

1306
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:59,119
conclusion.
>> Well, the difference is here. We've been

1307
01:53:56,480 --> 01:54:03,760
promising, not we, the people have been
promised over and over by the end of the

1308
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:06,760
year, every single year that it was
coming.

1309
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:11,119
» Thankfully, I can I can person I can
personally say I was not the one that

1310
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:14,080
made that promise.
>> Yeah.

1311
01:54:11,679 --> 01:54:19,280
» Though I I personally can absolve myself
of that of having made that mis

1312
01:54:16,719 --> 01:54:23,679
misstatement. But yeah, I there's
everything is in place to have this

1313
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:26,080
light lit up. Um, and I'm looking very
much forward to it. So, hope you guys

1314
01:54:25,599 --> 01:54:30,480
are too.
>> Cool.

1315
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:36,599
» Okay. Well, we'll we'll let you guys
discuss that. In the meantime, we'll

1316
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:36,599
take a five minute break

1317
01:54:38,719 --> 01:54:42,760
or whatever.
>> Thanks, Eric.

1318
01:54:53,599 --> 01:55:00,040
Mike's got it. He's got another
commitment.

1319
01:54:56,159 --> 01:55:00,040
» All right. Thank you.

1320
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:15,520
» Daniel, thank you. I would like to touch
just real quickly on it sounds like

1321
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:19,440
region 10 is nearing very close to the
completion. We will be turned up

1322
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:24,560
hopefully day one where I'm going to go
find somebody. But we should be we

1323
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:29,040
should be turned up immediately. We need
to work with the town. That's that's

1324
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:36,239
what I need you guys for to figure out
what you guys figure out fair price to

1325
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:42,639
let us on. I'm sure Mark wants to jump
on the downtown loop as well. I don't

1326
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:48,960
know. Um, but to get from the CNL to
where we can serve our customers,

1327
01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:54,480
um, I'd love to set down a meeting next
couple weeks, try to figure out what

1328
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:58,080
that looks like. Um, I don't think I can
make the next board meeting. I've got a

1329
01:55:56,480 --> 01:56:03,280
lot of construction to do between now
and then, and I would love to do that

1330
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:08,960
sooner rather than later.
>> Do you have his phone?

1331
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:08,960
» So, we've got 11:00 on Friday.

1332
01:56:10,719 --> 01:56:17,599
Um I'd love to take some down ball some
ideas to the page to fair you guys.

1333
01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:22,719
» So do you guys have um pricing
suggestions that are comparable to other

1334
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:27,440
areas for this
>> has more pricing? I don't know about the

1335
01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:33,199
middle mile stuff but on the fiber I
think the region 10 pricing was looked

1336
01:56:30,239 --> 01:56:37,440
good to me. Um
yeah,

1337
01:56:34,159 --> 01:56:40,960
» we have to come up with a price for the
and the town attorney does have a

1338
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:44,800
meeting scheduled with region 10 next
week.

1339
01:56:43,119 --> 01:56:49,040
» In the in the papers there, I think they
had a in town surrogate price.

1340
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:51,440
» We don't want to raise price our local
people on those.

1341
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:54,639
» Sure.
>> Sure. Absolutely.

1342
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:58,400
» But we do have to pay to maintain
everything and it was put down a road

1343
01:56:56,239 --> 01:57:03,760
that washes out every winter.
>> Yeah. Okay. Well, there's two of us that

1344
01:57:01,679 --> 01:57:08,080
can go splice fiber without calling
somebody for $8,000. Go do it. So, you

1345
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:11,199
got back though. We've got splicers.
We'll figure it out because I'm not

1346
01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:15,760
going to be down while we're waiting for
somebody to Denver to take $1,000 from

1347
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:18,880
us.
>> I'd like you guys to look over that

1348
01:57:17,199 --> 01:57:23,280
stuff because it was never discussed and
I'm not sure that they entered into a

1349
01:57:20,639 --> 01:57:26,320
long-term contract period to to do all
repairs.

1350
01:57:24,159 --> 01:57:30,320
» That would be not a good idea, right?
>> That could be reason. And I know Amber

1351
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:34,960
asked over and over again like do we
have the right to tell anybody and they

1352
01:57:32,159 --> 01:57:42,719
said yeah but I mean what's in writing
is what matters. Let's look it over. And

1353
01:57:40,159 --> 01:57:46,480
» so so the attorney the attorney is going
to

1354
01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:50,880
» Yeah, he already has a meeting scheduled
next week with regent to go over because

1355
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:54,880
he knows we're trying to get this
finalized and so

1356
01:57:52,239 --> 01:58:00,000
» so I would suggest that we have after
the attorney has a discussion with her

1357
01:57:57,440 --> 01:58:05,040
pay. Okay. Let's just make sure when
that is appointed a point discussion to

1358
01:58:03,119 --> 01:58:06,080
try to figure out that pricing. Yeah.
Yeah.

1359
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:11,040
» Okay.
>> And if I'm not here, I just beg of you

1360
01:58:08,159 --> 01:58:15,840
guys, if we run off our local providers,
it's not going to be pretty. You might

1361
01:58:13,360 --> 01:58:20,000
interview them.
>> So, it's really expensive for everybody.

1362
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:26,679
» Even if they suggest an outrageous
price, we have to negotiate and we have

1363
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:26,679
to make this happen.

1364
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:38,560
I think also that our area is probably
one of the smallest

1365
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:43,199
that what they've done. Um, you know,
you can't save fruit and you can't save

1366
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:46,480
Montro. You can't save ocean. It's dirt
cheap. It's cheaper than Montro. It's

1367
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:51,920
dirt cheap in Denver.
>> There's competition and there's big

1368
01:58:48,719 --> 01:58:56,239
people there. There's big and that's why
we can all pricing against like you said

1369
01:58:54,159 --> 01:59:01,040
we can we can price today. there's
nobody to price check against in the

1370
01:58:57,840 --> 01:59:06,639
culprit. So, I feel they're being fair.
They've got good pricing from them in

1371
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:12,719
the past. Um,
yeah, just comes down to what does the

1372
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:15,520
town need for this downtown loop and and
that all obviously works into the whole

1373
01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:20,560
equation.
>> Well, that's the whole reason L Newman

1374
01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:24,320
has been cherrypicking and staying in
metropolitan areas.

1375
01:59:22,480 --> 01:59:28,800
» Yeah.
Well, they never ran fiber up here. We

1376
01:59:26,159 --> 01:59:33,679
wouldn't be here if Lumen kept up with
us. The state holding we wouldn't be

1377
01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:38,159
here. Tried to get that done for I70 up
the

1378
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:43,199
up the highway in 1990 and that and that
was the time to do it.

1379
01:59:40,719 --> 01:59:50,800
uh and get the property owners to
understand that

1380
01:59:46,159 --> 01:59:57,360
the BC would have required or given a
lot of that instruction cost to bring it

1381
01:59:53,679 --> 02:00:02,000
up if they would have just put in the
orders and then

1382
02:00:00,480 --> 02:00:07,040
once it was brought up they could have
cancelled the orders

1383
02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:12,480
but that didn't happen and that's so
we're at where we're at. prepared.

1384
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:19,760
» So, can we schedule a meeting after that
region 10 meeting

1385
02:00:14,719 --> 02:00:24,239
» that a after the yeah after the atari
dox region 10

1386
02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:28,880
then we'll have a better idea.
>> Do you really know where all you're

1387
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:32,960
talking about?
>> A decent idea but not a whole lot of

1388
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:40,080
population.
>> No, it's not laid out right. Well, it's

1389
02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:43,840
it gets us down the loop. Um, gets us to
our main core.

1390
02:00:41,599 --> 02:00:50,080
» Um, because the CNL, isn't that it gets
us a fiber door to our main quarter

1391
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:55,599
gives us fiber to our towers are our
primary customers. Yeah. Are

1392
02:00:53,119 --> 02:00:58,560
» the ones we need to get into and and
upgrade to the fiber day one, you know,

1393
02:00:57,679 --> 02:01:04,639
you know, we can get
>> and hopefully you'll get more customers.

1394
02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:08,800
» Well, like us, Frank is on to the 911
tower, too. that didn't happen, you

1395
02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:11,800
know, or some kind of but at the same
time.

1396
02:01:12,639 --> 02:01:24,480
» Okay. Moving on. Discussion regarding
the update updated employee agreement

1397
02:01:19,679 --> 02:01:29,719
for intern Park treasure resolution
number 19 series of 2025.

1398
02:01:30,159 --> 02:01:37,520
So,
a resolution of the board of trustees of

1399
02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:42,360
the town of Gold in Colorado approving
an updated employment agreement for the

1400
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:42,360
intern

1401
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:48,119
employment agreement.

1402
02:01:51,119 --> 02:01:55,960
» I do I have some stuff to say.

1403
02:01:57,920 --> 02:02:07,199
We I'm going to read a definition from
um good old AI. Fiscal responsibility

1404
02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:10,880
refers to using money wisely, balancing
income and expenses, and planning

1405
02:02:09,360 --> 02:02:16,080
accordingly. It can apply to
individuals, businesses, and

1406
02:02:12,320 --> 02:02:21,159
governments. $90 an hour is $180,000 a
year. We cannot afford to keep Dusty on.

1407
02:02:24,719 --> 02:02:32,400
Uh what what I wanted to say was that
this was the second extension uh for

1408
02:02:30,159 --> 02:02:37,199
Dusty and I would just hope at the end
if we approved this extension that she

1409
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:41,760
considered at the end of this extension
to become a full-time employee. you

1410
02:02:39,679 --> 02:02:45,679
know, not on the interim status, but you
know, as a full-time employee, I

1411
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:50,880
appreciate all your work and everything,
but I think at some point, you know, uh,

1412
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:55,520
we need to discontinue the interim
situation and you at that point can

1413
02:02:53,119 --> 02:03:00,159
probably decide whether you want to stay
or or go. Uh, but I think that just this

1414
02:02:58,639 --> 02:03:03,920
would be the third time that we have
that. So, I think at the end of this, I

1415
02:03:02,239 --> 02:03:07,119
would ask that you consider being a
full-time employee.

1416
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:11,040
» And I'm ready to have that discussion at
any point.

1417
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:15,440
Um, and the only reason it's this way is
because the contract is expiring

1418
02:03:13,599 --> 02:03:19,360
and
>> so I just put it back in front of you on

1419
02:03:17,440 --> 02:03:23,199
the terms that we have been doing.
>> Right. We approved $90 an hour when we

1420
02:03:21,679 --> 02:03:29,199
had no other staff in the building and
now we have four people

1421
02:03:26,239 --> 02:03:32,400
and we cannot keep going at $180,000 a
year.

1422
02:03:29,599 --> 02:03:37,599
» We have two full-time employees.
>> Bruce is here three hours a day

1423
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:41,360
» and Melanie floats when she can. She is
untren. I'm still carrying the brunt of

1424
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:45,920
this show.
>> I understand that.

1425
02:03:43,360 --> 02:03:48,719
» And the liability and everything else
that goes on. And I understand where

1426
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:54,719
you're coming from.
>> Well, you just can't. It's not It's not

1427
02:03:51,440 --> 02:04:00,000
doable for a town of 300 people and the
um percentage of employment income that

1428
02:03:57,679 --> 02:04:06,639
we have going out right now. So,
>> well, yeah. At 90, $190 an hour. It's

1429
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:10,239
not a year contract, so you can't
calculate it on a year basis. It's a

1430
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:14,480
90-day contract.
>> I understand that.

1431
02:04:11,440 --> 02:04:20,719
» Right. That's $46,800.
>> But like Gary said, we need to move on

1432
02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:23,719
with the, you know, rent position. And
so,

1433
02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:33,760
you know, I don't know what uh
weight you're looking at for a permanent

1434
02:04:31,199 --> 02:04:36,239
position,
but

1435
02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:43,520
By motion not to approve the resolution
of the board of trustees of the town of

1436
02:04:41,040 --> 02:04:48,400
Culbert, Colorado approving not
approving the updated employment

1437
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:54,880
agreement for interim town clerk manager
town clerk treasure slashemp employment

1438
02:04:51,199 --> 02:05:00,400
agreement with Dusty Kella. Well,
>> let me ask you this, Dusty. Is that is

1439
02:04:56,800 --> 02:05:04,080
that that per hour? Is that negotiable?
>> Of course, but there's zero discussion

1440
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:09,199
about it. So,
>> well,

1441
02:05:06,239 --> 02:05:14,000
» like $50 an hour. Is that negotiable?
>> The $90 an hour is negotiable. Nobody

1442
02:05:11,679 --> 02:05:17,360
has presented anything
but a motion on the table.

1443
02:05:16,639 --> 02:05:21,520
» I mean, I think
>> so. I presume nobody wants to negotiate

1444
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:23,920
or they would have proposed it.
>> Yeah.

1445
02:05:22,239 --> 02:05:27,440
» Which is fine.
>> I serve at the pleasure of the board and

1446
02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:30,320
if they're not happy with me, then I
will

1447
02:05:28,239 --> 02:05:36,920
» I don't think that's a point.
>> By all means. I think the point is is I

1448
02:05:33,599 --> 02:05:36,920
think that we're

1449
02:05:37,679 --> 02:05:41,520
we think we're paying more than what we
should be now

1450
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:44,000
» for sure
>> for anybody.

1451
02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:49,280
» For sure.
>> If we come up with a reasonable rate, I

1452
02:05:47,119 --> 02:05:53,280
don't see why we couldn't keep you were
happy and we were happy.

1453
02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:57,360
» That's always been the deal. So, I'm
kind of blindsided by that. I'm just

1454
02:05:55,440 --> 02:06:04,000
going to emotion not to accept a
contract instead of putting forth,

1455
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:08,960
» hey, would you be acceptable to this?
Would you be acceptable to this? That

1456
02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:12,719
wasn't what just occurred here.
>> Well, I understand what you're saying,

1457
02:06:11,119 --> 02:06:14,960
» but I also understand what she said.
>> No, we're discussing it right now

1458
02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:17,920
because
>> we're not

1459
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:25,440
» we don't all get to go I don't get to go
hang out with the five of us.

1460
02:06:21,360 --> 02:06:31,599
» No, we don't. your deal price or your
>> so we don't know you know we don't sit

1461
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:38,239
around each other and
>> we think she's worth $50 an hour

1462
02:06:34,239 --> 02:06:43,599
somebody says no $40 an hour or whatever
you know nobody we don't sit around on

1463
02:06:41,440 --> 02:06:50,159
our own time and talk about so none of
us really know what options we got as

1464
02:06:47,199 --> 02:06:56,320
far as what a decent pay would be or
what do you expect us to that if you

1465
02:06:52,960 --> 02:07:00,560
were hired full time,
>> but now is not the time or place to

1466
02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:07,920
discuss it.
And I assume that from seeing the

1467
02:07:03,679 --> 02:07:11,040
contract again that $90 an hour is I
mean that's what you think you're worth.

1468
02:07:09,599 --> 02:07:15,079
And I'm just saying we can't afford
that. That's it.

1469
02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:24,719
The only reason the $90 is charged
>> is because of the situation I was put

1470
02:07:21,599 --> 02:07:30,880
in. So for you to say that
>> is a misrepresentation. You know exactly

1471
02:07:27,679 --> 02:07:35,840
why that $90 is being charged and it has
nothing to do with my ego.

1472
02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:39,320
» I'm not saying it has to do with your
ego.

1473
02:07:36,320 --> 02:07:39,320
» Nothing.

1474
02:07:39,599 --> 02:07:49,360
Nothing. No, we agree because like you
said, you had to wear all of a sudden

1475
02:07:45,599 --> 02:07:55,920
all of all of the hats stuff
we we do. Yeah, Bruce is in here

1476
02:07:52,719 --> 02:07:59,280
three hours a day. Um
>> Mike is helping.

1477
02:07:56,880 --> 02:08:05,520
» So, what is your proposal since it's
your fiduciary duty? What is your

1478
02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:09,040
proposal to pay me an hourly rate? What
are you proposing?

1479
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:13,599
probably nothing you're going to be
happy with after making $90 an hour.

1480
02:08:11,440 --> 02:08:17,440
» That's for me to decide, not for you.
>> I it would be a discussion that we would

1481
02:08:15,440 --> 02:08:22,560
have to
>> and so if you have a number and can come

1482
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:29,960
to the table with a number, then I can
think about that number. But I can't

1483
02:08:24,480 --> 02:08:29,960
just sit here and deal in hypotheticals.

1484
02:08:31,440 --> 02:08:37,360
» Hence why you got the contract the way
you had previously approved it. But I'm

1485
02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:43,119
saying
>> for the discussion,

1486
02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:47,920
» right? We're just asking we have we can
set aside

1487
02:08:45,199 --> 02:08:52,960
so we can have a discussion about how
much to offer and see if that's will be

1488
02:08:51,440 --> 02:08:56,159
willing to do it for that product
>> for sure

1489
02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:59,440
» or camera off
>> for sure

1490
02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:06,239
ask
>> that's how it should make motion we

1491
02:09:04,239 --> 02:09:10,800
um
how do you say It's

1492
02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:15,599
set aside
table.

1493
02:09:13,199 --> 02:09:22,320
» When When is the contract?
>> Not until next month. So, this was just

1494
02:09:20,000 --> 02:09:26,800
» It actually expires the middle of this
month. That's why I needed to bring it

1495
02:09:24,239 --> 02:09:31,440
to you. So, we have a couple weeks. It
is at your discretion. If you all go

1496
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:34,480
home tonight and decide tomorrow that
you don't want to have contract

1497
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:40,480
negotiations,
let me know. Where are you guys at with

1498
02:09:37,199 --> 02:09:47,840
the uh hiring for that position now? I
mean, you just hired for a town manager.

1499
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:55,760
You've got to get that position filled,
but we're a position working.

1500
02:09:50,960 --> 02:10:00,079
» Well, so I mean I been here for a while
was just temporary,

1501
02:09:57,119 --> 02:10:06,320
» right? Because she was still have with
another employer. But is that right?

1502
02:10:03,599 --> 02:10:11,040
That is slightly incorrect. Yes, I have
pre I have a commitment with my previous

1503
02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:12,480
employer, but my intention has always
been

1504
02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:14,239
» No, I understand
>> to stay on

1505
02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:21,119
» I understand
>> and fill that permanent position. I

1506
02:10:17,520 --> 02:10:25,599
didn't introduce the the reason we're
here is because when we went to do the

1507
02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:31,599
contract last time, the town attorney
mentioned that you could do it for a

1508
02:10:27,199 --> 02:10:37,920
longer period with a clause that says if
this and this happens, that rate

1509
02:10:34,079 --> 02:10:41,679
changed. Nobody it
was approved the way it had been

1510
02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:47,040
previously
approved by the board. That's the only

1511
02:10:44,400 --> 02:10:53,280
reason it is the way it is right now is
because it's the current contract that I

1512
02:10:50,880 --> 02:11:00,560
am under. If you don't feel comfortable
with those terms, you by all means have

1513
02:10:55,920 --> 02:11:03,520
every right to communicate with me
>> and say this is what we're willing to

1514
02:11:03,199 --> 02:11:08,159
do.
>> This is what's happening this work.

1515
02:11:05,199 --> 02:11:13,840
» This is what's happening right now. So
now we know that the $90 an hour is

1516
02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:18,400
gone.
sucks cuz I'd love to make that too.

1517
02:11:16,560 --> 02:11:23,280
» It means nothing to me. I think the
amount of stress that I have absorbed in

1518
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:28,800
the three months, but $90 doesn't cover Sorry. I apologize.

1519
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:33,040
» You're okay. You're okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. We're just having a

1520
02:11:31,440 --> 02:11:34,560
discussion here. There's no need to get
mad.

1521
02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:38,880
» Not mad
>> or upset. Well, I'm not going to tell

1522
02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:41,360
you how to feel. you feel how you want,
but we're obviously going to have a

1523
02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:45,840
discussion about
>> this contract takes us into six months

1524
02:11:43,280 --> 02:11:52,719
at $90 an hour. When we approved this,
you were working like 15 hours. Now

1525
02:11:49,119 --> 02:11:56,639
you're working full-time and there was
you were also the only staff member we

1526
02:11:55,119 --> 02:12:00,800
had left.
>> So, at that time, we had no choice. We

1527
02:11:58,719 --> 02:12:07,119
had no option but to give you what you
wanted. But now we have

1528
02:12:04,239 --> 02:12:10,719
this office is full of of staff members.
And so

1529
02:12:09,199 --> 02:12:15,440
and if you're not happy and it's that
stressful, I I apologize, but it's

1530
02:12:14,239 --> 02:12:19,119
» that's my issue. It doesn't have
anything to do with anybody.

1531
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:23,280
» It's something that I've taken on and I
don't mean to anybody, but to make

1532
02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:26,320
cracks about 90 bucks an hour.
>> We Well, all I'm saying is we can't

1533
02:12:25,599 --> 02:12:32,800
afford it.
>> I understand. And I've never tried to

1534
02:12:29,599 --> 02:12:37,440
commit you to a year or anything else.
>> I have been here to benefit you. It is a

1535
02:12:35,520 --> 02:12:42,159
30 a 90-day contract.
>> Okay, this our second 90-day contract at

1536
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:46,560
$90 an hour.
>> Then why have we not tried to fill that?

1537
02:12:44,239 --> 02:12:54,800
Why have we waited
six months and never talked to me about

1538
02:12:50,320 --> 02:13:00,400
transitioning to a permanent position?
Like if that was the end goal,

1539
02:12:57,760 --> 02:13:04,280
why in six months hasn't anything been
done to move towards that?

1540
02:13:04,480 --> 02:13:07,360
» Agree.
>> The initial

1541
02:13:06,159 --> 02:13:13,679
» I agree.
>> The initial three months was

1542
02:13:10,239 --> 02:13:17,920
what was it? 30 $35 an hour.
>> No,

1543
02:13:15,679 --> 02:13:22,079
290 cuz I'm going to talk to you guys.
>> The second that was the second contract.

1544
02:13:19,679 --> 02:13:26,239
» I'm going to talk to you guys saying 90
reasonable rate. The first contract was

1545
02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:29,280
not $90,
>> right? It should have been.

1546
02:13:27,520 --> 02:13:32,960
» Well, I think they just put the contract
aside from the standpoint and asked

1547
02:13:30,960 --> 02:13:37,520
Desi, Desi, if you want to work for the
town, then we already have a position.

1548
02:13:35,360 --> 02:13:42,400
We already have a salary schedule. And
if you're willing to work full-time

1549
02:13:40,320 --> 02:13:46,480
under that salary schedule, then I think
that would be great. No, I agree that

1550
02:13:44,480 --> 02:13:50,079
the $90 a day we did that. And that kind
of leads into what I've been talking

1551
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:58,880
about hiring a full-time town manager
because we had Angie and Sprank had $900

1552
02:13:56,159 --> 02:14:06,239
a day and we had her for three months,
you know, and then we bring on Bruce and

1553
02:14:00,639 --> 02:14:11,440
he's like $125 an hour and 750 bucks
expenses. I mean, where does it end?

1554
02:14:09,199 --> 02:14:15,360
» He's not. So, I'm saying, excuse me,
five days. I want the I want the full we

1555
02:14:13,679 --> 02:14:20,159
bring out a full-time person whether we
think it's a two day a week person or a

1556
02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:24,480
full-time person. Bruce and I'll quote
him said that it's far too many

1557
02:14:22,079 --> 02:14:28,159
essentials need to be brought up to date
with your new administrator to be

1558
02:14:26,239 --> 02:14:32,480
successful. Well, isn't that why Bruce
is here that mentor somebody that bring

1559
02:14:30,639 --> 02:14:37,199
men and how can those person bring up
the date if you don't let them sit next

1560
02:14:34,480 --> 02:14:40,639
to the guy and let you let him let that
person be trained to those things that

1561
02:14:39,119 --> 02:14:43,360
need to bring up the date? You bring
them all up to date and then you shove

1562
02:14:42,159 --> 02:14:46,719
them on there and say, "Hey, here you
go." You know, you don't do that. And

1563
02:14:45,440 --> 02:14:51,040
that's the same thing that's happened
right here. We just continue. We just

1564
02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:57,040
continue to pay $90 an hour. We're
continue to pay $900 a day. We continue

1565
02:14:53,520 --> 02:15:00,800
to pay 100 sunrise per hour. And I've
been harping for the last three, four

1566
02:14:59,119 --> 02:15:04,960
months. would need to hire somebody to
full-time manager and then Dest wouldn't

1567
02:15:02,960 --> 02:15:09,040
have to do all of this work. She would
have somebody that would work with her

1568
02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:12,880
and it wouldn't be so, you know, I'm
just amazed that she's hung in as long

1569
02:15:10,639 --> 02:15:17,520
as she has with the procrastination that
we've had and not hiring a town manager.

1570
02:15:15,599 --> 02:15:20,400
» Well, what the hell's going on here? I
don't get it.

1571
02:15:18,560 --> 02:15:24,880
» We've been paying the $900. We've been
paying that $90 an hour. I've been

1572
02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:29,679
» We have an interimm manager right now.
His name's Mike Nibble. Mike, you know,

1573
02:15:27,440 --> 02:15:34,320
you said how important management is.
Mike is not qualified to do that job. He

1574
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:38,400
did it out of the goodness of his heart
and but he has a full-time job right

1575
02:15:36,239 --> 02:15:43,199
now, a very important one for this town,
the most notable one of all the jobs in

1576
02:15:40,719 --> 02:15:46,639
this town. And to ask him to take on
more considering his family and

1577
02:15:44,880 --> 02:15:51,119
everything else in his life, it's asking
too much. And it's irresponsible. And

1578
02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:56,320
it's
>> it's asking that that's his choice. And

1579
02:15:53,119 --> 02:15:59,840
it's and and if it if it affects his
family or whatever, it's not worth it

1580
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:04,079
like you say. But that's
>> he's trying it and he's training and

1581
02:16:01,599 --> 02:16:07,440
we're going to give him a shot.
>> That's that's maybe I'll have a

1582
02:16:05,599 --> 02:16:11,199
heartto-he heart to see that if that's
really what he wants because I think he

1583
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:15,440
acquiesced to that because of the fact
that he was asked to do it and he feels

1584
02:16:12,960 --> 02:16:18,639
like the town is in a bad spot. But who
knows? I mean, you need to have a

1585
02:16:16,880 --> 02:16:22,480
heartto-he heart and say, is this really
something that you want to do? And that

1586
02:16:20,239 --> 02:16:26,320
that's the thing is is we need to have
somebody that has some experience to

1587
02:16:24,639 --> 02:16:29,360
come on board and do it, not train
somebody

1588
02:16:28,239 --> 02:16:33,200
to do the job.
>> In the meantime, he's trained for it.

1589
02:16:31,040 --> 02:16:38,319
And so even if he does not take the town
administrator position, he will be

1590
02:16:35,679 --> 02:16:42,319
completely and fully trained so that if
we get in a pinch again, he can still

1591
02:16:40,399 --> 02:16:46,439
step into that role until we fire
somebody. I don't want you.

1592
02:16:48,240 --> 02:16:56,160
» That's the main we're on.
We're discussion,

1593
02:16:54,399 --> 02:17:00,240
right? The only reason Mike was brought
up was because

1594
02:16:58,800 --> 02:17:06,599
» Well, you made a motion. It wasn't
second. So, God, you made a motion. I'll

1595
02:17:02,240 --> 02:17:06,599
second your motion to table this.

1596
02:17:07,359 --> 02:17:13,679
And we need to have some talk with Dusty
and get this. That's what I'm That's

1597
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:16,960
what I was saying. We need communication
with us. You're right.

1598
02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:19,040
» So, that could be a special board
meeting.

1599
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:21,760
» Yes. So,
>> or

1600
02:17:20,880 --> 02:17:27,040
what's it called?
>> Or ask

1601
02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:30,800
the job description and everything
that's in place right now and say hire

1602
02:17:29,359 --> 02:17:34,880
as a full-time employee in that
position. As a town clerk,

1603
02:17:32,319 --> 02:17:40,319
» I say as a contractor, Dusty should make
you an account an offer and you guys can

1604
02:17:37,840 --> 02:17:45,040
decide if you accept it or not. She has
gone from part-time to full-time. I

1605
02:17:42,399 --> 02:17:49,359
guess be the right way to put it.
Haven't been a contractor before. That's

1606
02:17:46,559 --> 02:17:54,960
the way I would have done it.
>> But Dely, are you what is your main are

1607
02:17:52,719 --> 02:18:00,160
you?
>> My fear is if we if we go back to a 30

1608
02:17:57,679 --> 02:18:03,599
or $35 an hour, then we're not going to
have a full-time person because when we

1609
02:18:01,920 --> 02:18:07,439
paid a lower rate, it was not a
full-time person. $90 an hour is a huge

1610
02:18:05,760 --> 02:18:11,679
incentive to work 40 hours a week.
That's just my opinion.

1611
02:18:09,599 --> 02:18:16,559
Well, and there again, that's up to
Dusty. That's up to Dusty decide. Does

1612
02:18:14,080 --> 02:18:20,080
Dusty want to be the the clerk and
reporter or does she just want to be the

1613
02:18:19,120 --> 02:18:24,479
same?
>> I've done this before. Remember that?

1614
02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:29,519
» That's fine. It's smart.
>> Please, Mark. Don't this is for the law.

1615
02:18:27,679 --> 02:18:35,080
Now,
>> are we tableabling it to a date certain

1616
02:18:31,359 --> 02:18:35,080
or a date uncertain?

1617
02:18:35,359 --> 02:18:41,559
» I have a motion in a second. That's it.
Okay.

1618
02:18:43,760 --> 02:18:51,120
» So, we're going to table this, but we
have to have an executive session,

1619
02:18:47,280 --> 02:18:56,639
correct? Because we'd have to discuss
pricing and

1620
02:18:53,519 --> 02:19:00,479
» I don't session when when we initially
when we interviewed Dusty for the job,

1621
02:18:58,399 --> 02:19:03,679
it could be is an open meeting. We could
have an open meeting and interview her

1622
02:19:02,160 --> 02:19:07,519
and say, "Here's what we do."
>> I don't know. argue.

1623
02:19:05,439 --> 02:19:12,399
» I I didn't know if we had to have an
executive session to have a sit down and

1624
02:19:09,439 --> 02:19:15,920
talk with Dusty to see what she wants to
see if she agrees.

1625
02:19:13,760 --> 02:19:19,120
» That's no matter to me. I'll do it open
meeting or

1626
02:19:16,639 --> 02:19:25,679
» I don't know what's legal. No legal
jargon to that.

1627
02:19:20,479 --> 02:19:31,359
» In our budget, it says that
we can't there's no way to break up our

1628
02:19:27,679 --> 02:19:35,359
job because we had a clerk, manager,
treasurer.

1629
02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:41,479
We could never have
>> together as one position. So I don't

1630
02:19:37,679 --> 02:19:41,479
even know what the

1631
02:19:42,639 --> 02:19:47,240
» we don't even know what the drawing is.

1632
02:19:48,240 --> 02:19:51,640
So we

1633
02:19:52,960 --> 02:19:59,760
do know
we got a position open but we can't even

1634
02:19:57,600 --> 02:20:05,760
figure out what salary is because the
previous position was taking money from

1635
02:20:02,800 --> 02:20:10,080
different funds through different ways
to pay one person. There was no set

1636
02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:15,080
salary. So the year before they broke
down the jobs, the clerk and treasurer

1637
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:15,080
was 68,000.

1638
02:20:22,880 --> 02:20:30,560
» Are those the the positions that you're
interested in?

1639
02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:38,000
» Yes.
>> The 25 percentile 61,

1640
02:20:33,600 --> 02:20:42,560
the 75th percentile is 84. So
we are a discussion about it. Are you

1641
02:20:41,680 --> 02:20:45,680
down with that?
>> Yes sir.

1642
02:20:43,520 --> 02:20:50,160
» Okay. No one's table this have a
discussion about it.

1643
02:20:48,319 --> 02:20:54,880
» Okay.
So let's have a vote on motion please.

1644
02:20:53,359 --> 02:20:59,760
» Trusty Goth.
>> What am I voting on here?

1645
02:20:58,240 --> 02:21:03,600
Yes.
>> Trusty Price.

1646
02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:05,120
» Yes. Trusty Stalling.
>> Yes.

1647
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:07,280
» Trusty Winkleblack.
>> Yes.

1648
02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:11,240
Mayor Wilcox.
>> Yes.

1649
02:21:07,760 --> 02:21:11,240
» Motion passes.

1650
02:21:20,880 --> 02:21:29,439
» Number 13, Trusty W Black's requested
agenda items presented by Trusty Wingle

1651
02:21:26,880 --> 02:21:34,160
Black. Discussion on where we are in
hiring full-time, part-time

1652
02:21:31,840 --> 02:21:39,200
administrator.
Uh discussion on the town's procedures

1653
02:21:36,560 --> 02:21:45,040
and hiring of
employees

1654
02:21:41,280 --> 02:21:51,800
electronic mail from Derek Hamilton to
Mayor and trustees July 17th 2025.

1655
02:21:51,840 --> 02:21:59,280
Okay.
A I think we've already discussed okay

1656
02:21:57,120 --> 02:22:03,920
the discussion where we are with hiring
the full-time or part-time you know I

1657
02:22:02,080 --> 02:22:08,640
mean in the past they've had a two-day
person come in and do the administrative

1658
02:22:06,319 --> 02:22:15,200
requirements or we've had a full-time
where we combine those u I I think it

1659
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:20,000
all depends upon you know um what we
think we can afford and what we need. I

1660
02:22:17,520 --> 02:22:24,319
I think that bringing Bruce on and and
he can vet people. He has the

1661
02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:29,120
experience, but like I stated earlier
when he said that, you know, that uh

1662
02:22:26,880 --> 02:22:33,600
many essentials need to be brought up to
date. I think that that person should be

1663
02:22:31,439 --> 02:22:37,600
hired and work with Bruce and bring
those essentials up to date, whatever

1664
02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:41,760
those essentials are. I would I've asked
him before and I didn't really get a

1665
02:22:39,520 --> 02:22:47,760
response in terms of specifically what
those essentials are, but I think we

1666
02:22:44,319 --> 02:22:52,000
still need to advertise for the position
and and bring somebody on. We still have

1667
02:22:50,160 --> 02:22:57,680
Bruce. his contract goes through no
November as I understand it and so that

1668
02:22:54,880 --> 02:23:02,479
we can get somebody to work with the
town clerk with Dusty and and move on

1669
02:23:00,720 --> 02:23:10,080
because the amount of money we've thrown
out

1670
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:14,080
» $900 a day $90 an hour $125 an hour.
>> It's ridiculous. And we can't I can't

1671
02:23:12,160 --> 02:23:19,200
even imagine what the what what has
happened to the budget. So, you know, I

1672
02:23:16,880 --> 02:23:22,800
mean, we need you can't hire somebody
until you advertise. Advertise the

1673
02:23:21,359 --> 02:23:27,600
person. Bring it on. We could put it
out. Not only, you know, there are

1674
02:23:25,680 --> 02:23:31,439
agencies that we get, the Colorado
Municipalities League and various other

1675
02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:39,439
agencies. There's three agencies I know
that we could advertise with them and we

1676
02:23:34,240 --> 02:23:43,600
can uh you put it in, you know, I I say
Daily Sand for whatever that's worth.

1677
02:23:41,680 --> 02:23:48,399
But I think that we need to advertise.
We need to start interviewing and

1678
02:23:45,840 --> 02:23:52,720
vetting people and getting them hired so
that we have, you know, when you mention

1679
02:23:50,399 --> 02:23:56,960
the number of staff that we have really.
I mean, we having this widely now as

1680
02:23:55,120 --> 02:24:00,640
administrative assistant, but we only
really have one person to take care of

1681
02:23:58,560 --> 02:24:08,399
all of the other business that we have.
I know that we um which takes me on to

1682
02:24:04,240 --> 02:24:15,359
kind of the next one that uh in June
the mayor approved bringing um

1683
02:24:12,399 --> 02:24:19,600
Melanie out Melanie Park. Okay. So, that
was in my opinion contractual. It's not

1684
02:24:17,439 --> 02:24:24,000
a full-time position. It's a part-time
position or it's under contract. I've

1685
02:24:21,359 --> 02:24:27,920
never seen it. Has anybody else seen the
the terms of the agreement for Miss

1686
02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:30,479
Clark to be working for us?
>> Has anybody seen that?

1687
02:24:29,760 --> 02:24:34,240
I have not.
>> I haven't seen it.

1688
02:24:31,439 --> 02:24:38,000
» There is no written contract.
>> Have you asked Dusty how she's doing?

1689
02:24:37,439 --> 02:24:40,800
» Pardon me.
>> Have you asked Dusty how Melanie's

1690
02:24:40,399 --> 02:24:43,600
doing?
>> No.

1691
02:24:41,920 --> 02:24:49,200
» Melanie is on the Zoom.
>> No, what I'm saying is I'm not all I'm

1692
02:24:46,560 --> 02:24:52,640
saying is the fact that we brought her
on for whatever reason, whatever the

1693
02:24:50,800 --> 02:24:56,720
contractual is, but I mean, we need to
fill these positions. We've been in

1694
02:24:54,240 --> 02:25:01,359
limbo for a long time. We need to have a
town manager, administrator, one and the

1695
02:24:59,359 --> 02:25:05,840
same. We need to have the town clerk
need to get that solidified, you know,

1696
02:25:03,920 --> 02:25:08,720
so then why don't we advertise it
because, you know, we brought Miss Clark

1697
02:25:07,359 --> 02:25:12,160
on. I'm sure she's helpful and
everything else like that, but you know,

1698
02:25:10,319 --> 02:25:17,600
the whole thing about it is and Jessica,
I've heard it from you many times and

1699
02:25:13,680 --> 02:25:22,000
then the people who did the the u
the

1700
02:25:19,439 --> 02:25:25,600
what we call at any rate, it was
transparency. Transparency.

1701
02:25:24,080 --> 02:25:30,800
Transparency. That's all I heard was
transparency. Where's the transparency?

1702
02:25:28,240 --> 02:25:34,399
You know, all we bring this clark on.
Where's the transparency in that? I

1703
02:25:32,399 --> 02:25:39,439
didn't even know until I got the message
from, you know, from from Bruce that the

1704
02:25:37,920 --> 02:25:44,560
mayor approved it. We bring it on a
contractual basis for 2750 an hour.

1705
02:25:42,479 --> 02:25:49,760
Okay. And then I asked her, I see Miss
White working. How was that? How'd that

1706
02:25:46,720 --> 02:25:53,840
be? Well, we put it on the the town's
website and she applied and she got a

1707
02:25:52,080 --> 02:25:59,280
job. So, you know what? If you look at
the the Coburn Job Court, you look at

1708
02:25:56,560 --> 02:26:04,160
the school, you look at businesses
locally, where do they advertise

1709
02:26:01,040 --> 02:26:08,640
vacancies, Plateau Valley Community
Connections? Because there are far more

1710
02:26:06,479 --> 02:26:12,240
people that are going to read that than
the town. So, it just seemed to me that

1711
02:26:10,960 --> 02:26:16,000
if we're going to advertise for
positions that we should put it out

1712
02:26:13,760 --> 02:26:20,399
there where people can actually see that
we have some vacancies as does the

1713
02:26:18,160 --> 02:26:23,520
school, as does the job core, as does
some of the other businesses rather than

1714
02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:27,520
just putting it because that seemed to
me pretty selective.

1715
02:26:25,040 --> 02:26:32,800
» Were these positions not put posted in
our normal posting places?

1716
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:36,479
» I was told to post it on the website
>> by Bruce Smith and that's where I posted

1717
02:26:34,479 --> 02:26:39,200
on the website.
There's got to be what? Three places

1718
02:26:37,680 --> 02:26:41,840
that they're actually supposed to be
posted also.

1719
02:26:41,280 --> 02:26:44,720
» So
>> that's for public

1720
02:26:42,640 --> 02:26:48,080
» that's for public notices and agendas
for meetings.

1721
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:53,120
» But I agree they could have advertised a
lot better. I completely agree.

1722
02:26:50,560 --> 02:26:58,399
» I mean when Dusty when we were looking
for a manager, we had some good they

1723
02:26:55,760 --> 02:27:02,720
weren't qualified and so we didn't hire
them, but they had other qualifications

1724
02:27:00,080 --> 02:27:06,160
that would have been worthy of
consideration.

1725
02:27:04,479 --> 02:27:10,399
But there's only, you know, unless you
follow the town website, you didn't even

1726
02:27:08,240 --> 02:27:14,280
know that that position was open or
advertised.

1727
02:27:11,120 --> 02:27:14,280
» I agree.

1728
02:27:14,800 --> 02:27:24,800
» We use Indeed and some other media.
>> Yeah. So, you know, that that's why I

1729
02:27:20,720 --> 02:27:30,240
have these items on on the agenda. We we
buddy and we need to be transparent and

1730
02:27:28,080 --> 02:27:34,479
if we have vacancies then we should
advertise those and and see what kind of

1731
02:27:32,640 --> 02:27:39,280
talent we can bring in and fill those
positions. But I believe unless we get

1732
02:27:37,040 --> 02:27:43,520
the word out we're not going to have
that.

1733
02:27:41,040 --> 02:27:48,240
» Mr. Mayor
is doing

1734
02:27:46,160 --> 02:27:52,880
» Yeah. This is this is me this is Melanie
Clark if I may speak.

1735
02:27:51,439 --> 02:27:58,240
» Yes.
Um,

1736
02:27:54,640 --> 02:28:02,000
so, uh, Mr. Winkle Black, it was it was
brought up in two different meetings

1737
02:27:59,920 --> 02:28:08,800
when you guys
offered or when I offered to come and

1738
02:28:04,880 --> 02:28:14,080
help out and and
I offered to help and you voted on it

1739
02:28:10,880 --> 02:28:17,840
and agreed to it.
>> Correct.

1740
02:28:16,240 --> 02:28:23,200
» So, I don't know what's any more
transparent than that.

1741
02:28:21,520 --> 02:28:26,720
Now, what I'm talking about, Melanie, is
yeah, you you volunteer. You know, I'm

1742
02:28:25,200 --> 02:28:30,319
not criticizing. I'm saying you
volunteered. Okay? So, you came in and

1743
02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:33,600
you were volunteering. Kudos to you. I
appreciate that. But what I'm saying

1744
02:28:32,080 --> 02:28:37,439
then the turn of events turned around
now. We're going to hire her in a

1745
02:28:35,760 --> 02:28:41,520
contractual basis. And then they gave
the hourly rate. So, what I'm saying is

1746
02:28:39,600 --> 02:28:47,359
if you're going to hire somebody on a
contractual basis, why is it not put out

1747
02:28:44,160 --> 02:28:51,200
to the public about this opening, about
this need? You know, I'm sure you're

1748
02:28:50,000 --> 02:28:55,120
doing a great job and everything, but
when I'm talking about that's the lack

1749
02:28:52,960 --> 02:28:59,120
of transparency. I, as a board member,
didn't even see that coming. And I don't

1750
02:28:57,200 --> 02:29:02,160
even have any idea what the contractual
basis is. Where's the transparency

1751
02:29:01,359 --> 02:29:08,080
there?
>> It was it was Mr. Smith that actually

1752
02:29:05,120 --> 02:29:13,280
brought it to the board and it was voted
on once again in another meeting.

1753
02:29:11,760 --> 02:29:17,920
» I don't remember.
>> Well, we didn't vote. It was just in his

1754
02:29:15,120 --> 02:29:23,840
updates, Melanie.
But we didn't vote on it. But um but

1755
02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:26,880
» well then that's that's I would have to
say then that's the board's fault for

1756
02:29:25,439 --> 02:29:34,800
not doing so.
>> It it was not done. It was pulled after

1757
02:29:32,319 --> 02:29:37,680
» after it was already done.
>> Well, if the board had a problem with

1758
02:29:36,240 --> 02:29:43,600
it, they could have brought it up at
that meeting when we got the update and

1759
02:29:39,760 --> 02:29:47,359
said, "We need to vote on this."
And I didn't think anybody had a problem

1760
02:29:45,680 --> 02:29:49,280
with it because nobody even discussed
it.

1761
02:29:48,560 --> 02:29:52,479
» I agree
>> at that meeting.

1762
02:29:50,560 --> 02:29:57,200
» I agree.
>> It's not a matter of having a problem.

1763
02:29:54,240 --> 02:30:02,640
It's a matter of making everybody else,
not just us, but the public aware of we

1764
02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:07,200
want somebody to fill this position.
Just like when we talk about, you know,

1765
02:30:04,479 --> 02:30:11,600
about our our finances. How are we going
to hire somebody, you know, are we going

1766
02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:15,760
to advertise for them? Are we going to
put it on to Bruce? Bruce didn't seem to

1767
02:30:13,600 --> 02:30:19,200
be jumping on that, but we need an
account to take care of our budget.

1768
02:30:17,520 --> 02:30:25,960
» Do you understand? We have a CPA working
for us now and that that

1769
02:30:21,200 --> 02:30:25,960
» Why did you ask Bruce about the budget?

1770
02:30:26,240 --> 02:30:30,960
» Why did you ask?
>> It's the town administrator's position

1771
02:30:29,120 --> 02:30:33,600
to prepare the budget and he's working
as the

1772
02:30:31,520 --> 02:30:36,640
» He's not No, he's not. He's not. He's
working He's not working as the town

1773
02:30:35,439 --> 02:30:39,120
administrator. That wasn't the
agreement. He was working as a

1774
02:30:38,399 --> 02:30:43,280
consultant.
>> Wants to work as a consultant.

1775
02:30:40,800 --> 02:30:45,760
contracted consultant because it doesn't
want the title.

1776
02:30:44,240 --> 02:30:49,680
» Not the Well, I don't care if he wants
the title or not. The title is

1777
02:30:47,359 --> 02:30:54,640
consultant, not town administrator. He
does not have that he doesn't have the

1778
02:30:51,600 --> 02:30:57,680
latitude to make those decisions.
>> What do you think we're paying him to

1779
02:30:56,080 --> 02:31:01,120
do?
>> A consultant.

1780
02:30:59,040 --> 02:31:03,200
» A to consult us on what? Town
administrator affairs.

1781
02:31:02,880 --> 02:31:06,960
» Yes.
>> You know, more or less that's what a

1782
02:31:04,960 --> 02:31:09,920
town administrator does is consult the
board. It's at the will.

1783
02:31:08,560 --> 02:31:13,439
» I don't need to be schooled on that.
What I'm saying is he does not have that

1784
02:31:11,520 --> 02:31:18,880
official position and he does not have
the latitude. He has not the legal

1785
02:31:15,680 --> 02:31:22,720
responsibility to make those decisions
until you hire somebody and that's their

1786
02:31:20,640 --> 02:31:25,960
title. That's the person that's able to
do it.

1787
02:31:27,280 --> 02:31:30,680
This is prov.

1788
02:31:32,240 --> 02:31:39,359
» Let's for our next lecture.
>> You need one.

1789
02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:43,040
» Thank you. You're welcome.
>> Please don't throw an eraser.

1790
02:31:40,800 --> 02:31:47,040
» So,
the last one, electronic mail from Derek

1791
02:31:45,200 --> 02:31:52,240
Hamilton. The reason I talked to Dusty
about that, I simply asked her to put it

1792
02:31:49,600 --> 02:31:57,359
on as we had on the agenda, previous
agendas we had for public

1793
02:31:54,960 --> 02:32:01,040
correspondence. His was a public
correspondence. I think it should have

1794
02:31:58,880 --> 02:32:04,000
been on the agenda and that's why I
asked her to put it on this month's

1795
02:32:02,960 --> 02:32:07,240
agenda.
>> Thank you.

1796
02:32:08,720 --> 02:32:16,000
» And I'll be done.
>> Thank you.

1797
02:32:12,800 --> 02:32:19,399
» You're welcome.
staff updates.

1798
02:32:19,680 --> 02:32:25,680
» As you'll see in your packet, there is
the update for July from the sheriff's

1799
02:32:23,840 --> 02:32:31,680
department. Also, the certificate of
occupancy for the auditorium.

1800
02:32:28,560 --> 02:32:36,240
Um, Alyssa White has gotten her notary.
Um, and we now have a notary in the

1801
02:32:33,920 --> 02:32:41,120
building. He has been working very
closely with Laram Energy to set up the

1802
02:32:38,880 --> 02:32:48,080
town cleanup, which is currently set for
October 17. flyers, postcards will be

1803
02:32:44,080 --> 02:32:53,920
sent out. Um, we're working on that. Um,
as an FYI, the barreled bill at the bulk

1804
02:32:51,200 --> 02:32:59,040
water is out of order. Art has been
ordered and once it arrives, it will be

1805
02:32:55,760 --> 02:33:05,800
fixed. Um, as of right now, we have
three events booked into the auditorium.

1806
02:33:02,800 --> 02:33:05,800
Um,

1807
02:33:05,920 --> 02:33:13,920
so that's good. And something just maybe
to be thinking about in the back of your

1808
02:33:11,280 --> 02:33:18,880
mind is possibly holding an open house
for the auditorium.

1809
02:33:16,399 --> 02:33:24,000
Um inviting the public to come out for
light refreshments. Nothing major um but

1810
02:33:21,840 --> 02:33:30,560
to check out the building, have the
mayor and the trustees there um

1811
02:33:28,479 --> 02:33:35,359
at your options. So something that you
all will be thinking about and maybe at

1812
02:33:32,479 --> 02:33:40,520
the next meeting um discuss that. And
that is all I have. All

1813
02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:40,520
right.

1814
02:33:44,960 --> 02:33:52,640
» Can we please revisit an updated fee
schedule that can be approved by the

1815
02:33:49,760 --> 02:34:00,880
board?
And can we please

1816
02:33:56,160 --> 02:34:05,720
um review the right now the rental price
and contracts for every facility?

1817
02:34:06,880 --> 02:34:13,520
So, it's $250
a day for the auditorium. Is that

1818
02:34:11,439 --> 02:34:16,240
correct?
>> Without alcohol? Yes.

1819
02:34:15,120 --> 02:34:21,080
» Without alcohol?
>> With alcohol, it's 400.

1820
02:34:18,080 --> 02:34:21,080
» Okay.

1821
02:34:24,880 --> 02:34:35,600
Are there any fees when somebody
serves a part, you know, like Carol Park

1822
02:34:31,520 --> 02:34:38,600
or Danny Park for a factory
$50?

1823
02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:47,439
» Okay.
What? We just need to review all the and

1824
02:34:45,359 --> 02:34:55,120
discuss
maybe doing a comprehensive

1825
02:34:50,880 --> 02:35:01,439
analysis, maybe with other
other um buildings the same size and

1826
02:34:59,359 --> 02:35:06,800
whatnot. I know in Grand Junction it
costs like um $1,500 to bring a building

1827
02:35:03,840 --> 02:35:12,960
that size. And
I'm not saying you need a comparable

1828
02:35:09,520 --> 02:35:15,960
that much, but we need to be a little
more.

1829
02:35:16,399 --> 02:35:22,080
» You're saying it needs to be more than
$250?

1830
02:35:20,080 --> 02:35:27,560
» Possibly. We need to discuss it.
>> And is there a damage deposit on it? Any

1831
02:35:24,399 --> 02:35:27,560
of it?

1832
02:35:29,920 --> 02:35:36,680
» Yes.
like new. So

1833
02:35:37,120 --> 02:35:43,960
somebody will have to walk it every time
somebody's had a shooting game.

1834
02:35:47,359 --> 02:35:54,200
» So as as of right now, you speak with
the attorney

1835
02:35:54,960 --> 02:36:01,960
or whatever in the morning to see how
quick we can be especially Yeah.

1836
02:36:03,280 --> 02:36:09,200
get a hold of and I will get a hold of
the attorney to see if their schedules

1837
02:36:07,280 --> 02:36:13,120
work and I will advise each and every
one of you via text message.

1838
02:36:11,359 --> 02:36:16,200
» Okay.
All right.

1839
02:36:16,880 --> 02:36:22,280
Uh number 15 is I got to do the return.