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[0:49] » You cannot you can't get rid of it.
>> Yeah.
[0:56] I could see
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[1:36] Everybody
>> evening
[1:42] should I say Mr.
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[2:05] Just make it
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[2:22] Amen.
[2:42] Anybody?
[3:04] Anybody?
[3:20] The time is 603 and we'll call forward.
>> Hey, we have a roll call, please. Oh, is
[3:28] the recording started?
>> Yeah, you're here.
[3:30] » Okay.
>> Trusty Winglock
[3:34] » here.
>> Trusty Bethl
[3:35] » here. Trusty Price
>> here.
[3:38] Stalin
>> here. Claire Wilcox
[3:40] » here.
[3:49] I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic
[3:56] for which it stands. One nation under
God, indivisible,
[4:02] liberty and justice for all.
[4:16] Item three, revision board relations to
the agenda.
[4:25] » Okay,
>> I just need to make a correction to the
[4:29] resolution number.
It is listed on the agenda as resolution
[4:34] number 13 and it's actually 19.
[5:14] Sorry to see how long it last but see
and made a trip from here to back
[5:23] » unbound Persons
[5:32] not on the agenda,
>> please limit comments to three minutes
[5:37] and address the community or address
your comments directly to the mayor.
[5:42] Identify yourself by name and address
when making comments. Comments should be
[5:46] courteous, civil, and constructive.
The town board will make no decision nor
[5:53] take action except to direct the town
manager or town attorney.
[6:01] And I see that we have
one person that go out to beautiful
[6:08] » I okay
>> have just a quick comment or just I'll
[6:12] make it quick.
I'm Tammy Clark. Um just here to touch
[6:18] base about Heritage Days. I was going to
be here last month but the Zoom meeting
[6:22] didn't work. Um, just wanted to thank
the town uh for their support in
[6:28] Heritage Days and see if you guys had
any comments or questions or things like
[6:34] that that uh you wanted to let us know
as we start to move towards next year.
[6:43] » Okay. Um, the only thing that we had
brought up and not made a decision on
[6:47] that I know of were the storage of the
fireworks that were purchased.
[6:52] Right now, those are still in my garage.
So, as soon as you let me know where
[6:56] they are, I will be happy to bring them.
[7:04] » Say that again. I didn't understand.
You'll be happy to what?
[7:08] » I said, I will be happy to bring them
wherever you want them stored.
[7:15] » Yeah. Okay.
[7:20] Yeah,
[7:23] Mike Nichols, our town manager, says,
"Bring Brandon down when it's convenient
[7:28] for you."
>> Okay, I can do that. We'll bring them in
[7:32] the next week or so. I don't really need
them in my garage.
[7:38] » Okay.
We have it has been brought to our
[7:41] attention that the
couple of board members have kind of
[7:45] wanted us to take over all of Heritage
Day's planning. Uh so the committee is
[7:50] discussing that. Um if we can get some
more members to uh join us and
[7:56] participate um we may be looking towards
that for next year. Um so that we don't
[8:03] have some of the different factions that
kind of did not work well together this
[8:07] year. So, we are discussing that as a
board. Um, and uh, we thought it was
[8:13] very successful. Um, but we wanted to
just touch base with you guys and see if
[8:18] you had any comments or concerns that we
can take to the table as we plan towards
[8:23] next year.
[8:27] » Appreciate that and all all the efforts.
a change is hard and
[8:36] I see see the delay but anyway uh
all all of your efforts toward the rodeo
[8:42] and heritage days
and uh
[8:46] there were plenty of compliments on the
rodeo and how things went. So
[8:52] thanks for all your effort.
Our
[8:59] sound's not working. Sammy, can you hear
us?
[9:02] » I can hear you. Yes.
>> Okay.
[9:05] » I see that my face is like when I talk
then it talks way after I do when I'm
[9:11] looking at what you guys are seeing.
>> Yeah.
[9:14] » Yeah. But you you can hear me. Okay.
>> I can. Yes.
[9:19] » All right.
Good. Thank you.
[9:26] Uh
Jan Courier.
[9:33] So
[9:39] » I'm just here to tell you that friends
of the friends of the library had had
[9:44] their event in the auditorium on Labor
Day. I wanted to thank everybody at the
[9:49] town, especially the guys from the
maintenance department for all their
[9:53] help.
And we had a good day.
[9:58] Well received. And the biggest thing we
need to know, you need to know is is
[10:03] that everyone who came into the
auditorium on Monday, there wasn't
[10:08] anybody who didn't like what they saw in
I think that all the town and everybody
[10:15] who supported that over the years that
remodel the auditorium and anybody who's
[10:21] protected that auditorium all the time
deserves a pat on the back.
[10:27] Well, maybe that'll spread the word that
they can start whether they want to have
[10:30] a wedding reception or family or reunion
or whatever or a dance. You know, how
[10:37] about movies? Movies would be wonderful.
>> Roller skating. I'm all about the roller
[10:43] skating.
>> The picture you see there was we figured
[10:46] is from July 4th, 1914.
That day was the first day they ever
[10:52] showed movies at the auditorium.
[10:57] just in case of interest for you guys.
Oh,
[11:01] » well, if I don't remember correctly,
Mike, the uh did that the the movie
[11:08] screen is still around?
>> I don't know. We have it somewhere
[11:12] » there. There is a movie screen up above
the stage. There's no I don't I don't
[11:16] think you you can use that. You'd have
to have a different screen than the old
[11:20] did. The old canvas screen is still up
there. There's no way to get it now,
[11:26] » right?
>> It's just antique.
[11:28] » Well, it's like the projections we won't
be using. Oh, no. There's there's new
[11:34] stuff. But if that's something that
somebody wants to do or or the town
[11:39] wants to do provide, you know, like the
fire department up at Clay Park, then
[11:45] sure. I think that would be a
a good thing for the community,
[11:51] especially during the winter time. If
>> one of our guests at the uh event on
[11:56] Monday, Carla Carl Dis was there, she
said she'd love to see a film festival
[12:02] in that. Yeah, we would need to have
some community board
[12:07] » because we're all swamped
and it's not really the staff's job
[12:12] we're finding out to put on events and
entertain the entire town because they
[12:16] have a job to
>> I understand that. I'm just suggesting
[12:19] » I think it's a great idea. We need to
circulate it throughout the community to
[12:23] see if we want to if somebody wants to
establish a committee for community
[12:26] events, it would be fabulous. Completely
agreed. I mean
[12:32] Terry from the liquor store talked about
doing something similar over at light of
[12:36] park, you know, towards the
the fire station. But yeah, that'd be
[12:43] it. I'm just saying that since
people gang sure
[12:49] well we at the president of the library
might like to do that once or twice
[12:53] during the year, but I don't
>> I don't think we want to do it every
[12:56] week,
>> right?
[12:58] And if different organizations want to
sponsor Songs of Houston, you know,
[13:03] that'd be fabulous.
>> That'd be great. Some of the movies that
[13:07] were shown on that day on July 4th,
1914, you can still get them on the
[13:14] internet.
False old silent movies. There's
[13:20] two or three of them that were shown
that day are still available.
[13:23] » That was neat. I I know that.
>> Yeah. I I watched one of them with my
[13:30] son the other day when he saw what what
the uh
[13:35] menu of movies was. He looked it up and
we started watching. It was it was
[13:41] interesting and pretty good quality,
too.
[13:44] » Well, good.
>> Anyway, thanks to all of you for
[13:49] supporting my project and thanks thanks
to everybody who who supported keeping
[13:55] the auditorium alive and I apologize for
not being there. My wife and I are doing
[14:01] well and Jo we'll have more
opportunities very much. Yeah.
[14:09] So well that's but thanks for all your
efforts.
[14:13] » Well I thank everyone who's was there
enjoyed it. They liked what they saw and
[14:18] I think they'll spread the word every
week. I think that's the biggest thing.
[14:23] » Well, hopefully that'll just grow into
more positivity in the town and help us
[14:30] move forward.
>> I hope. Exactly.
[14:33] Thanks.
[14:43] » I'm sorry I didn't
[14:49] Is it Daniel?
>> Daniel.
[14:53] » Yeah.
[14:58] » Um well, I am I'm here to talk about the
the broadband. Um I think we are a bit
[15:04] later, so might just wait my time for
then, but I'm excited. Looking forward
[15:08] to looking forward to this. The guys at
the region 10 are telling us that we're
[15:13] waiting on a power cable to get ready to
they've got all the all their ducks in
[15:18] row nearly. So, we're very excited.
Obviously, we need better internet all
[15:23] over town,
make maybe make our Zoom meetings work a
[15:27] little better.
But, um I guess it's it's up to us now
[15:33] to work together and figure out how how
to use some of the Viviver. We'll have
[15:37] it coming into the CML. So, I'm looking
forward to talking to you guys and just
[15:42] sitting down and thinking how we can how
we providers. I know Mark's probably
[15:46] looking to get on some of that as well
and whoever else, but um I guess it's
[15:51] we're down down through the last couple
weeks here and I'd like to make a get
[15:55] something figured out with that.
>> Did you get the latest update?
[16:00] » If you want to read that,
>> just the first page, but I think that
[16:05] that's just the first page. Very good.
>> Um, that's all I have. Let's go into the
[16:12] rest of it and maybe let's see where
we're at now. Yeah, I'm excited. So, I
[16:17] want to say thank you guys. Um, thanks
for making this happen and let's let's u
[16:23] get it finished up. I'm excited to get
it rolling. Thank you very much. You
[16:27] bet.
>> Thank you.
[16:29] » Thank you.
[16:37] Item number five, consent agenda.
[16:42] Items with a routine nature placed on a
consent agenda can allow the board of
[16:46] trustees to spend his time and energy on
more important items than a lengthy
[16:52] agenda. Any board member or any member
of the public may request that an item
[16:59] may be removed from the consent agenda
and considered on a regular agenda.
[17:09] There's a August 5th, 2025 draft
minutes. B America 250
[17:17] Colorado 150 prop proclamation.
Uh item number. So
[17:26] yeah, that's that's it for the consent
agenda. Is there any discussion or
[17:33] » I motion we approve the August 5th, 2025
minutes and the America 2050 Colorado
[17:40] 950 proclamation.
>> Second.
[17:45] » Second. Second.
>> We have a motion and a second. Any
[17:48] further discussion? Hearing
none. May we have a vote, please?
[17:54] » Trusty Bethl,
>> yes.
[17:56] » Trusty Price,
>> yes.
[17:57] » Trusty Stalin, yes.
>> Trusty Wingle Black,
[18:00] » yes.
>> Mayor Wilcox,
[18:02] » yes.
>> Motion passes uns.
[18:05] » Okay. Item number six,
Bill payments, May
[18:11] through July 31st of 2025.
[18:33] Is there any discussion on those?
>> Yeah, I'm curious. Is this report
[18:39] straight from the cell?
>> Yes, ma'am.
[18:42] And is it going to be possible ever to
get a record of deposits
[18:47] also a summary of deposits?
>> I have not found a report that provides
[18:52] a summary deposit but I will continue to
call I could reach out to
[19:04] us.
[19:22] I did have a couple of questions, but I
got those answers
[19:29] already.
[19:36] Was there any anybody else?
Okay.
[19:41] » Well, the Grand Junction pipe and
supply, is that bill being forwarded to
[19:44] the school where it says build a to
school next to it?
[19:51] No, it probably was that
[19:57] » because we're not supposed to pay any of
the bills for the waterline until we
[20:02] submit a bill to the school and then the
school pays us and then we pay them.
[20:06] Sounds very
>> lots of changing of the hands,
[20:14] but um was this bill paid or are we
approving it it to be paid today?
[20:19] everything on that list has already been
paid. It's more of an advisory because
[20:24] we were in the situation we were in. Um,
so all of those have already been paid
[20:33] and there's no way I could have held
them to get them to the board. Um,
[20:45] » so when it comes to the billing for the
school um, waterline,
[20:51] are we forwarding all those bills to
them before we write out checks?
[20:57] » The Grand Junction PIP? No. And the only
other bill that I pay directly um for
[21:02] the pipeline is
um FCI. And FCI doesn't get a check
[21:08] until I get a check from the school
district.
[21:11] Okay.
Yeah, we have the KJ waterline
[21:15] observation
and on call engineering support and
[21:19] waterline valve construction and
waterline construction. They're $18,877.
[21:25] That was part of the agreement that they
pay that.
[21:36] » Well, I guess the one question I have is
is
[21:41] item 784 Ka engineering or ter parks.
>> It was review of the initial the it was
[21:51] two reviews. It was an initial review of
the first set of plans and then it was a
[21:55] second review of the second set of plans
that have come before the trustees
[22:01] » I think
>> March April um and that deleted the bill
[22:04] on that one is from April so that's why
um it was worked on on the tero park on
[22:11] their initial
preliminary plan
[22:14] » okay
>> plan
[22:17] my understanding is anything that comes
in from a developer for the developer
[22:23] themselves who
pay for because it's their their
[22:29] development. So
>> if that's in the agreement they sign I
[22:33] am unaware of the agreement.
>> It's in the it's in the municipal code.
[22:39] » Yes. So,
uh I don't know the company that
[22:45] would
>> I think we need to be reimbursed for
[22:50] you know
I'm happy to dedicate time to figuring
[22:56] out exactly what invoices need to be
sent my and I can work on it together
[23:01] because some of it he would know better
than I would. I I don't know what
[23:04] communications KLJ had with uh the
company that's doing the subdivision
[23:11] or not. So,
>> have we been been reimbursed for the
[23:15] Dole Grant at all?
>> Unfortunately, has been we've received
[23:21] reimbursement.
[23:25] » Okay. Do you guys know off the top of
your head who Grand Valley Consulting
[23:28] LLC is for special structural
observation?
[23:34] Is that for um approving the auditorium
maybe possible?
[23:42] » We don't know. almost like an engineer.
[23:49] Grand Valley Consulting
>> special structural observation
[23:56] on May 22nd at 6:18
[24:06] and then also there was um wasach
surveying for the soul water line.
[24:13] You know about that, Matt?
>> Yeah, they're the surveyors for
[24:19] I think the FCI
that
[24:24] » All right. Well, part of our IDA was
they were going to serve, you know, take
[24:28] care of the cost of the water line. So,
I don't I don't know if all these bills
[24:31] are getting forwarded to them. I'll have
to look at the Grand Junction bike too
[24:35] because
[24:38] some stuff a while back but I haven't
[24:44] » Right.
[24:50] So the meter Mike should be part of um
the tap fee. Correct.
[24:58] » Correct. I do believe they get they got
build for that.
[25:02] I think we paid and I think they pay us
back is what I did.
[25:06] » But when somebody hooks up to municipal
water and they pay a tap fee, say I pay
[25:12] $4,500, does that include the meter?
>> No.
[25:15] » A meter is a cost on top of your
connection fee. Okay.
[25:20] » Good.
>> All right. And has the school been build
[25:23] for the tap fee?
>> That I don't know. per the agreement. We
[25:27] don't get the taxing money until we
accept the waterline. Okay.
[25:58] Well,
[26:08] and we shouldn't have any more any more
bills from Wilson, didn't
[26:14] » No, they don't.
>> Right.
[26:17] Right.
a motion we approve the bill payments
[26:22] for May through July 31st, 2025.
[26:30] » Okay, we have a motion. We have a
second.
[26:38] Okay, we have a motion and second. Any
further discussion?
[26:45] Hearing none. May we have a vote,
please? Trusty BL.
[26:49] » Yes.
>> Trusty Price,
[26:51] » yes.
>> Trusty Stalling,
[26:52] » yes.
>> Trusty Wingle Black,
[26:53] » yes.
>> Mayor Wilcox,
[26:56] » yes.
>> Motion passes.
[27:18] Okay. Item number seven,
Mr. Bruce Smith update.
[27:24] Um, a couple of things in addition to
what I wrote today. Um
[27:30] our attorney I think we should have an
executive session to discuss the water
[27:36] gown situation and sometime in the near
future
[27:40] and he had conflict for the
next meeting date the board
[27:48] as prior commitments
[27:54] » another date if it was up to me I'd say
sooner rather than later.
[28:02] » Did he uh did he mention a date that
would be good for him or or or you?
[28:10] I mean, like I don't know what you said.
>> Is there a better date that he gave you
[28:14] that would for you?
>> I tried that and he said that see what
[28:20] the board wants to do and let me know.
>> I'll do it sooner.
[28:25] This item is actually set for 10 on the
agenda. The Senate hearing to set a
[28:30] special meeting to discuss the water.
[28:39] » Okay.
[28:44] I don't understand why we're pursuing
asking the school to pay for three
[28:48] additional
um hydrants when as you mentioned the
[28:53] word you used was impertinence saying
the pertinance normally is for future
[28:57] development. School has no interest in
any further future development for that
[29:02] water line. So anything along that water
line from the school back to the source
[29:06] of the water would be there for
development and then that would be our
[29:11] business not the schools. The school has
their hydro they're going to put it on
[29:15] the south end but there how would it
advantage this school and why would we
[29:19] require a public school to put in three
additional hyphens. I don't understand
[29:25] that rationale. Well, according to the
ordinance has always been that the
[29:30] developer of the water line just as Carl
Austin Tech developed and brought in
[29:39] the properties of the OBS church when
they bought it and then did a lot
[29:44] rearrangement on that 20 acres. So he
sold part of it to the LDS church, part
[29:50] of it to uh he was going to build a home
himself where Lisa Valve lives and then
[29:57] the lot behind Geller, but there was no
sewer line at the time. The only person
[30:04] was going to be the church. So, but it
was up it's up to the developer
[30:10] uh according to uh had been this way
since
[30:16] I was first on the board as a trustee
that
[30:22] the developer
looking for growth just like Andy
[30:27] that company is going to have to absorb
everything growth there. Um,
[30:34] part of the reason the school was built
was
[30:39] because they would, you know, the the
community as a whole valley wise, but to
[30:46] project they were going to have more
students. Otherwise, they wouldn't have
[30:50] built a a bigger building that would
house whatever five or 600 people. And
[30:57] along along that way uh
we have the
[31:06] uh
in Plateau City, you know, there's a
[31:10] street there. There's the old general
store. Um
[31:15] so
[31:19] there is
projection of growth caused whole you
[31:24] know by the project of the waterline and
and by just building a new school and a
[31:30] bigger school and and such a massive uh
project. So in the ordinance it does say
[31:37] that it is up to the developer to bring
everything up to fire
[31:43] uh code and safety for the earth state
and
[31:51] uh county
that it's you know it's on their guide
[31:57] and
you know the board was before Jim knew
[32:04] who left.
[32:08] He suggested to the board that we do did
not get involved and and uh write the
[32:16] extra million dollar grant
even though the board decided to support
[32:23] the school. Anytime you build a big
construction project like that, there's
[32:28] a contingency
that's always been built in for
[32:36] added items or things that need to be
corrected or whatever. Um,
[32:44] well, are you saying that we're
classifying schools and developing?
[32:48] » Well, they're not developing. No, but
they're they're projecting growth and
[32:53] they're they're paying us back aboard
the water line. So, by by doing that,
[32:58] that's part of developing or extending
our
[33:03] » whoever requests the water line, let me
make it really simple. If you live out
[33:08] on the other side of the school and you
want the water line, you have to pay for
[33:11] the entire water line. Whoever develops
first out there, if somebody builds a
[33:16] subdivision there, they pay for the
entire water line because we weren't
[33:20] asking for a water line. We were not.
So, whoever and you can, you can search
[33:26] other municipalities. You can search our
own municipal code. Whoever the
[33:30] developer is who's bringing the water
line pays for the water line. It's in
[33:35] our IGA.
They have the right to back bill to any
[33:40] other people who hook up to it because
they had to absorb that entire cost.
[33:48] » Okay. So, I understand that part, but I
don't understand exactly why. How did we
[33:52] come up with three fire hydrants? We
didn't the fire marshal and the co
[33:58] » I guess that's something to be discussed
because that's contradicted to what the
[34:02] superintendent said that the fire
department did not think that we'd have
[34:06] to have three uh fire hydrants. Well, I
put in a core request to the fire chief
[34:12] and I got to see the correspondence and
they actually cut them a break down from
[34:17] several down to three saying, "Okay, the
rest can as stuff gets developed, they
[34:23] can add more." But I think Mike has
something to say right now.
[34:27] » Yeah, they started with eight, I
believe, and then C do actually got
[34:31] involved because they said then they
said that five of them were pretty much
[34:36] impossible to put in. you know, it's
down there in the swamp. So then the
[34:42] fire marshall who is actually a
contractor
[34:46] by the state. So the state isn't really
doing these inspections anymore. The
[34:50] fire department isn't. So they hired
this company who is the fire marshal to
[34:56] um come in and
you know kind of inspect that and he
[35:01] wanted three in. So, it's actually it's
not our fire district or it's it's the
[35:06] state fire marshal who wanted the three.
>> How can that price be right? That seems
[35:12] I can see 75 for three. I don't see 75
for one.
[35:16] » 75,000 for one.
>> Yeah. I don't know the numbers. I don't
[35:20] » That's what you guys had in your uh
packet.
[35:23] » Unfortunately, the line went on without
anybody taking responsibility for the
[35:29] fire hydrants. go. You would think
somebody would say, "Hey, Pam, you're
[35:34] doing this, so we're leaving this open
now, and it's open from May 5th to May
[35:37] 10th." But that never happened.
>> And I I got a core request. I read
[35:42] through every detail. Um
they were required to put in fire,
[35:47] » but it's not activated yet, is it?
>> No, the water is not. And so
[35:53] » yeah, you got to put in extra seed and
all sorts of stuff after you put it in.
[35:56] » Right. We got a million dollar grant who
put in this water line from Noah.
[36:03] » So if we have to take off the take the
price off the million dollar grant that
[36:08] the town paid applied for for our own
because otherwise the cost has to be
[36:14] rolled over to the people of the town
and quite frankly the school has a huge
[36:21] area that funds that. We have $260
when the prices say correct. So you know
[36:28] if it was 75,000 to have this
>> look into something see how much the
[36:32] water tank on the hill cost.
>> Well you got to think you got to have
[36:36] people stopping traffic. It's all built
bone down to one lane. You got to pay
[36:40] for those people concrete. You plumbers
put in dude I put in
[36:45] 50 60 hydrants. They're a lot of work.
They're a lot of concrete.
[36:50] » They cost a lot of money. It have been a
lot cheaper and while it was going on
[36:56] » well it's still before the waters turned
on
[37:00] it's cheaper now to take care of it.
>> That's good.
[37:05] » Yeah.
>> Rather than wait till next next year
[37:07] next
to uh
[37:12] absorb those.
>> Yeah. I don't think 75,000 for one. I
[37:18] mean that sounds like that's not the
numbers I heard. Um, I think it's it'll
[37:23] be somewhere up there, but I think that
number three now a lot more expensive if
[37:29] you
>> Well, I can see 75,000
[37:31] three. I think that's why I said in your
packet I think it says 100 or 225,000.
[37:37] We're talking about 190,000 is what our
budget was.
[37:40] » It probably depends on what contractor
does it too.
[37:43] » If
>> and nobody's available right now.
[37:47] Well,
>> and the bottom line was that through the
[37:53] agreement
that they would that they would bring
[37:58] everything out of your fire code and
safety.
[38:02] Um,
>> did you review the IG where it said that
[38:05] they would
>> Did you review the IG?
[38:10] » It's a good read.
[38:14] So between between between the A where
they said that
[38:21] they would follow an agree upon plus
the ordinance of development um
[38:31] plus the fact that
[38:35] we were advised or as a board whether it
was this board or the previous doesn't
[38:40] matter it's done But
[38:45] in the end, the school would
go ahead and reimburse the town
[38:53] for all expenses so that the town would
not absorb
[38:59] uh
[39:02] who was the building inspector on this
account the county.
[39:06] » They're at fault too. Orange Shriner
>> from Dynamic Planning is contracted to
[39:14] inspect and to
so
[39:22] » I can say part part of it is I think on
on the county because the last
[39:28] uh septic at least field
that I did uh
[39:36] for for a neighbor over in Mesa,
the engineer, he had it engineered and
[39:42] then when it came time to inspect and
everything was open, the engineer
[39:49] set a time with the county inspector
because the county inspector
[39:54] was brand new. So there's a new
generation of inspectors that really
[39:58] don't know and now they have the
technology to
[40:05] look our county is ridiculous on what
they want for inspections. Pretty soon
[40:09] Daniel and I have to get inspections for
not radios out here houses.
[40:16] Well, I agree with Bruce in terms I
think we do need to have the the
[40:19] executive session and work work through
this because you know the thing about it
[40:24] is we can't take this school situation
where they not may not be able to open
[40:28] up on you know on the first day
school. So I think we need to get it
[40:34] hashed out and and see if we can't work
out some kind of compromise because you
[40:38] know I mean the public a school is a
public entity. I mean, it's not like,
[40:42] you know, a developer has funding to
develop whatever it is that they're
[40:46] going to. The school, the public school,
you know, has limited funding just as we
[40:49] do.
>> And
[40:52] they have they have a 10 times the
funding we have. And the school's
[40:57] responsibility for their funding pool is
way bigger than us
[41:01] » and they do a thousand times better for
this community than we do.
[41:05] » That's the purpose of a public school.
But that's a matter of prescribing
[41:09] nothing.
>> Again, I agree with
[41:13] » Yeah. Well, that's special meeting.
>> Yes, that's item number 10.
[41:19] » Yep.
[41:28] » What's that?
>> Do you have more to say, Bruce?
[41:32] » Did we pick a date?
>> Start till later.
[41:34] » Start till later.
It's on the agenda for Ted.
[41:39] Item 10.
>> Um,
[41:43] the last sentence in my two paragraph,
two paragraph deal. Uh, Mr. Long raises
[41:52] the issue whether or not I have the
authority to write the letter that I
[41:55] did. And like I said, they'll the board
say that's true or false.
[42:03] I completely agree.
>> I was hoping you wouldn't.
[42:11] » True. True or false?
>> True.
[42:16] » Well,
I didn't feel like I had much choice.
[42:20] That's what I did.
>> Well, I
[42:22] » had to do something get thing off at
dead center.
[42:25] » Yeah, I think that you were completely
in line to do that. Thank you for doing
[42:30] that.
Well, and I
[42:35] Trevor called me at hall to discuss it
and we
[42:41] kind of what discussed what I just
mentioned with you, Gary. He had no idea
[42:47] that or he he didn't remember. I believe
he was standing right here in the
[42:51] meeting when the attorney said, "I don't
suggest that the school get involved
[42:56] with an internet uh having the town
>> get involved with the grant."
[43:03] » He said one entity cannot take out a
grant on behalf of another entity,
[43:07] » right?
>> And um
[43:11] » and we did anyways and our second
attorney said it was fine.
[43:17] And it simply because it
creates a hornet sense. There you go.
[43:23] This the school has their funds. They
they got the the taxes from everybody
[43:29] and and so we're not just looking at 58
million or 60 million. There's there's
[43:36] there's a 90 million budget there. So we
can discuss that.
[43:44] And you
>> you're all aware that they bonded the
[43:48] project. You can't take the construction
bond money and use it to buy school
[43:54] buses or books.
>> Right.
[43:56] » It has to be for construction. You
violate that and the bonds will become
[44:01] taxable.
>> Right.
[44:03] » That's how that
>> right. Right. still being said the
[44:07] hugest mistake of all that seems
[44:14] um
sword.
[44:21] Um
I included in the packet a
[44:27] invoice from
[44:31] 40 pounds
and
[44:36] I'll tell you when I saw it, I laughed
because he sat in my office and told me
[44:40] that he was like doing this out of the
good goodness of his part. In fact, I
[44:46] told him that if I was him, I would have
asked all the collaborate holders and
[44:51] the gifts to share in that. But at any
rate, now we get a bill and I would
[44:55] probably just send him a note that said
no thank you,
[45:01] » right? Unless you all know something
else. I mean, it's quite possible that
[45:06] I don't know what I'm talking about. The
board made some agreement with the long
[45:11] before I was here. No, he called he
called me when uh
[45:19] because I said there was it was
incorrect that there was no he said
[45:24] there's no water rights to apparel
subdivision and handed me a folder and
[45:28] it said at the bottom you get what you
paid for. I said, "For you, I understand
[45:32] what you're saying because I went
through this when I first came up here
[45:38] and was on the board and then asked the
board because that line had been coming
[45:44] down to our subdivision and the back
field." I said that that subdivision has
[45:49] been flood irrigated all these years.
But when we closed with the Terrells,
[45:54] the Terrell signed that the water rights
for the subdivision over to the town. So
[46:00] it's the town's water. There is no
adjudicated water to each individual lot
[46:06] or to the subdivision particularly but
the water belongs to the town. So that's
[46:16] the discussion and he he had taken it
upon himself and
[46:23] said that he shortened the line u
to make it more efficient. So the town
[46:31] never had had the opportunity okay what
engineering was done who decided he he
[46:38] did the work himself u bought the
materials put it in and that's that was
[46:45] the first that I heard about it
>> okay well
[46:50] » I don't see any reason to reimburse
somebody who didn't sit down and come up
[46:53] with a plan we have our own staff we
have our own backhoe and they need to be
[46:58] coordinating stuff before they Okay. Did
you get any receipts for any of these
[47:03] things?
Did you get receipts?
[47:07] No.
>> Did you
[47:10] Who who gave them a grant for $14,000?
Don't know.
[47:17] » Yeah, I would say
no.
[47:23] » All right, that's easy enough for
um
[47:27] » Does it need to be voted on or are we
good? Uh, you just provide direction.
[47:33] » They don't need to vote on it. Does
anybody else have opinions?
[47:36] » No, we don't vote on anything. I do.
It's just we just do it and see what
[47:40] happens.
[47:43] Um,
did you want to talk about your public
[47:47] works employees?
>> Sure.
[47:50] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[47:51] » I was going to do that, but might as
well have you stand up here and take a
[47:57] meeting.
[48:04] likely valuation and I too
>> I don't know where to stand here when
[48:09] I'm not in front of everybody what the
police do in any way. So I I did an
[48:14] evaluation on our for public works
employees. Uh and
[48:21] after that after beating them up a
little bit um I did agree or I thought
[48:27] it was in good taste and good interest
for the town to give them a raise. Um
[48:32] they've done a great job. Uh there's
some stuff that we need to work on. Um,
[48:37] and I don't know, I think that was just
between us, but there's some trainings
[48:40] we need to start doing with them, uh,
and get them licensed up in the water
[48:46] and sewer, of course, and they are
willing to do that. We just got to find
[48:49] time. Um, and I think it was much
appreciated. Um, they have really
[48:55] stepped up with me. You know, we're
trying to do dual roles right now. So,
[48:59] um, yeah, it was an odd thing to do, but
we, you know, that was my first
[49:06] employee evaluation I had to do, and
it's not fun, but
[49:12] um, but we got through it and I think
that we all learn from it. So,
[49:17] I do have a question for you, Mike. I
heard through the grapevine that you
[49:21] were paying for your own
um training or your own um
[49:26] certifications
so far. Is that true?
[49:30] » No. No. The town pays
>> the town did pay. Okay. I just wanted to
[49:33] make sure that nobody feels like it's at
their own expense.
[49:37] » No, I I pay for my own plumbing license.
I got that before and I keep up on that.
[49:41] But the certifications I get for the
town or through the town is paid by the
[49:45] town.
>> Right. Are you using your plumbing
[49:47] skills through the town?
>> Uh, a little bit. You know, it's kind of
[49:52] it is kind of plumbing. It's just a
bigger size, you know, but it's
[49:56] something that, you know, I'd like to
keep going. So, I just
[49:59] » Is that very expensive annually?
>> Uh, depends on how fast I get my my uh
[50:05] continuing education now.
>> Um, but it's it's not it's less than
[50:10] $100. Okay. you know, so
>> and that's something I'm willing to pay
[50:13] because I had that before, you know, but
>> yeah.
[50:19] » Well, if you're using that for your job,
it should be reimbured. I do, but
[50:24] » and I don't do too much anymore, you
know. It's it's just bigger pipes style
[50:28] and and any licenses or anything I do in
the town, it's licensed to the town.
[50:33] Maybe more the wastewater sewer. So,
>> okay. Once in a while I have to fix a
[50:38] toilet, but I got two guys that got
raises that can do that.
[50:43] So,
>> thank you for what you do.
[50:47] » Well, as as as uh
as we've said in the past, our public
[50:53] works takes care of
basically the foundation of the town. Uh
[51:00] but the water, the sewer, the streets,
the snow, all of it. And
[51:05] what I found through experience as as
being in charge of the the phone
[51:10] committee and learned from
uh upper management that
[51:18] the best way to get and most efficient
is
[51:24] to give your employees or the
technicians, whatever you want to call
[51:28] them, maintenance
the tools and the educ education
[51:35] that they need to do their job
efficiently and so things don't have to
[51:40] be uh done over five or six times.
So,
[51:48] uh, I'm a real proponent of supporting
education and giving getting a
[51:57] especially
uh the group for what they need to do
[52:02] the job to to take care of the D.
>> Appreciate it. So,
[52:11] and it and it turned out that, you know,
through through the back surgeries and
[52:15] my manager above me when she go to
Africa for 6 weeks or whatever,
[52:24] I would sit at the console like these
folks do in the office and analyze loads
[52:30] and and rearrange those. And in doing
that, um,
[52:39] you know, who who is just like you would
spend Mike send Mike out to do something
[52:44] or
uh Cory,
[52:50] you know what their
work skills are. So I would adjust the
[52:56] loads and whatnot. and and we ended up
uh out of the 14 states that US West
[53:02] had, we had the number one results as
far as efficiency, we our overtime was
[53:08] down. Guys that uh it was a union, so
there was a limited vacation, but guys
[53:14] that needed to take time off or wanted
time off were able to take time off
[53:19] during the old hours and so it lowered
the cost to the company. Um,
[53:26] but that was just a I guess on the job
or experience something that I that I
[53:32] learned through doing that. So
[53:38] overall, I think it it it saves the town
money by
[53:44] if there's something that needs to the
public works to make things more
[53:49] efficient around here, then we certainly
need to take that serious.
[53:55] » Yeah.
>> Take care of the the public.
[54:03] Anything else, Bruce?
>> Yeah, a couple more things. Um,
[54:09] as far as I'm concerned, you're at
budget time
[54:12] and I was wondering who you had in mind
to do the budget.
[54:18] » I think that the previous board entered
into I remember reading I don't remember
[54:23] how many years the contract Oh, sorry.
I'm thinking of the the audit. Sorry, my
[54:30] bad.
Um, are you up to doing a budget?
[54:38] » I've done a few.
>> Yeah, I bet.
[54:44] » Well, I just kind of look around and
having a hard time unloading that.
[54:50] » What?
[54:56] » Yeah, I kind of figured that. that
wasn't and I wasn't being a smart ass. I
[55:00] was just hoping to be something else.
Um, with that thought in mind, one of
[55:07] probably the biggest single item in the
I think that's probably true in the in
[55:13] the general fund is the sheriff contract
uh that expires at the end of the year.
[55:20] If you're going to do something
other than
[55:26] renewing it, you need to get organized
and get going.
[55:30] » Can we please schedule a work session
with Debec?
[55:34] » There you go.
>> Um, Debec was very interested in working
[55:40] with us when we contracted makes it.
We were told otherwise
[55:47] and he has a lot of ideas and a lot of
information.
[55:53] » He'd be sorry.
>> I promise you would be sorry.
[55:58] » It can't be any worse. Bruce.
>> So
[56:05] in in your in your opinion, if we need
to
[56:10] if if we decide not to renew that, we
either need to
[56:14] start our own Marshall's department by
itself.
[56:19] » Yeah.
[56:23] » Day off with a million dollars.
If you don't want to go up the back, do
[56:27] you want to
>> It won't work.
[56:29] » Sir,
>> it just won't work. You have a hard
[56:32] enough time and you have a marshall in
this town keeping them in the town. They
[56:36] going to make an agreement where the
officers have a
[56:41] almost a requirement to be driving
around in the county between here and
[56:45] Quebec. It won't work. You'll be unhappy
with it. The officers will be unhappy
[56:50] because you'll be bitching at him all
the time and you won't save a nickel.
[56:55] Well, he has um other there he knows
about the grants and he knows how to
[57:01] start up a Marshall's department again
and he has he wants to pitch that to us.
[57:06] I told you what I thought. You do
whatever you want.
[57:09] » Okay.
>> I see no reason to change my agreement.
[57:13] Everything. I see no reason to. You
know, we cannot afford setting up our
[57:18] police force, buying another vehicle,
paying those salaries, having at least
[57:21] three entities for this. I see no reason
to do that. That we need to have
[57:25] » somebody here though.
>> We need somebody here.
[57:28] » Somebody here
>> working
[57:30] » and we need our traffic taken care of.
And that's not happening right now.
[57:34] » No, it's not. When I'm mowing the lawn
like today, when I mow the lawn at the
[57:38] clinic and I got people going 50 by me
on the road, copy the old lady,
[57:43] » then we should let them know. Well,
>> we have countless times. Citizens have
[57:48] called and called.
>> And one of the first things, sheriff's
[57:53] department said, I guarantee you before
we signed the contract that there would
[57:58] probably be, you know, more more DUIs
and more uh driving through town as
[58:06] such. I have
>> the street,
[58:08] » walking down the street. I have
personally seen
[58:13] at our
to that. Anyway,
[58:17] two two drivebys.
>> And you think that was not happening
[58:21] prior to Mason County?
>> You think that was not happening in this
[58:26] town?
>> Prior to M prior to Mason County and
[58:30] when we did have marshals,
I mean,
[58:34] » it was constantly whether it was Jeff or
Adam, I don't know, but it was it was
[58:39] constantly at night. It might be 2:00 in
the morning or something, but it was
[58:44] constant.
>> We don't have any off here at night.
[58:47] » No.
>> But I guess you know the first thing you
[58:49] need to do is do the math. See what it's
going to take to have a vehicle or two
[58:53] vehicles. What it's going to take for
the salaries of two to three
[58:56] individuals. what it's going to take to
make sure that there is trained at every
[59:00] qualification because we know prior to
some of the some of the things that we
[59:05] had some of the employees that we had
were not trained to do all of the kind
[59:09] of things that Mesa County Sheriff's
Department is able to do. So, I wouldn't
[59:14] agree to it until I can see that that
individual has the same qualifications
[59:18] of those individuals that work in here.
The same qualifications because if they
[59:22] don't, the liability is ours. It's not
theirs. It's ours. Right now, the
[59:27] liability lies with the county sheriff's
department. Right. But if you change
[59:31] that,
>> we're not exempt from liability. We're
[59:34] not exempt from liability.
We are asking I am asking I have been in
[59:40] contact with the deb Marshall. I am
asking for him to come and give a work
[59:44] session
on alternative solutions and what he
[59:49] thinks.
>> How many speeding tickets were given out
[59:52] in the month of August?
>> They don't release how many tickets.
[59:54] I've asked for that. They release
traffic stops, which could be stopping
[59:59] to end a person with a flat tire.
>> Yes.
[1:00:02] » Or stopping to give somebody a ride
because they ran out of gas.
[1:00:05] » Right.
>> I live right where we have the traffic.
[1:00:07] I did exactly what the town board told
me to do, what the sheriff's said to do,
[1:00:12] and that was called dispatch. I called
dispatch at 6:00 in the morning and told
[1:00:16] them, "You got the 8500 going up out of
town. Where's anybody at?" Well, you
[1:00:22] know, apparently in Culbrron, crimes
don't happen until the law happens to be
[1:00:28] up here. And then less than 24 hours
later, I called somebody was driving up
[1:00:34] the street at 1:00 in the morning with a
light bar on, which is illegal on a main
[1:00:39] road and the dispatch told me, "This is
affecting you. How?" I said, "Well,
[1:00:46] they're speeding
you." I got nothing. And then finally
[1:00:51] the sheriff called and he said he said
and you can listen to the playback tape
[1:00:56] told me it's a small town. Why are you
worried about people speeding? It's
[1:01:01] going to happen.
>> Oh, so the sheriffs up here are what? 9
[1:01:07] to5 with an hour lunch break and half
hour naps.
[1:01:11] » We don't know. what I seeed. I have seen
men more at the school since school
[1:01:16] started than I saw them all summer long
in town.
[1:01:20] » There's also responsibility of the
school to pay a portion of their income
[1:01:25] of their which um so yeah
>> it's just not happening and we were told
[1:01:31] that that was not necessary.
>> The sher
[1:01:35] is frustrating because
there was a 15year-old kid riding his
[1:01:40] motorcycle all over town. No helmet, no
driver, no license.
[1:01:44] They told us, "Get a picture of it."
Why? I I'm not paid to be sheriff. Do
[1:01:49] your job.
>> It's not our job.
[1:01:51] » Get a picture of it. And when we did
call it in 3 weeks later, I'm like,
[1:01:56] "Huh?
>> Nothing.
[1:01:58] » Nothing."
[1:02:01] So, no, they're not doing their job.
[1:02:07] Listen to the girls at the clinic.
They'll say the same thing. listen to
[1:02:11] the people who live up on a peninsula.
>> I hear all day every day. I hear I hear
[1:02:16] the whole community has has said stuff
and and one of the things that the
[1:02:21] sheriff's department said that we would
have we were assured that we would have
[1:02:26] 247 coverage.
>> Yeah.
[1:02:29] » And
we're in Mesa County anyway
[1:02:35] and so we're supposed to be protected by
Mesa County. Um,
[1:02:39] » yeah,
>> I almost feel like what we've done by by
[1:02:43] spending $350,000
is let them hire
[1:02:49] more staff
that's being used more time down in
[1:02:53] Grand Junction than right here.
>> And the sheriff's paying for sitting on
[1:02:58] driveways in Molina because somebody's
dog got hit.
[1:03:01] » Yeah.
>> Right.
[1:03:04] traffic which we as the municipal town
of Culbrron should not be paying for all
[1:03:09] of Mesa County to be patrolled.
>> No, it should be the top of room.
[1:03:14] » I completely agree.
>> I have I will say I have seen on Main
[1:03:19] Street this week three or four times
that he's pulled somebody.
[1:03:23] » That's good. I wonder if traffic tickets
were issued.
[1:03:27] » They were. some of them are accustomed
to
[1:03:33] like to see the speeding get under
control and I know since I complained
[1:03:36] last time I have heard that wine deputy
is stepping it up and I appreciate that
[1:03:41] but I'm not up to spending $1,000 a day
for the amount of services that we're
[1:03:48] getting at this time
[1:03:51] and I'd like to hear other options
>> should get the uh county commissioner
[1:03:56] down here I mean you So, you know,
you're you're way far away. Yeah, you
[1:04:02] still have to drive down there to get a
vehicle title. You know, don't have that
[1:04:05] kind of support. You can't even vote
here. Of course, you can't move any
[1:04:08] place mostly. Um, you know, this this
end of the county is not serviced by the
[1:04:13] county. You're not part of this county.
The county is
[1:04:16] » as a municipality, we are required by
state statutes to provide our own police
[1:04:21] protection.
>> That's not really what it's saying.
[1:04:25] » I I understand. I say I say you guys are
neglected by the county.
[1:04:28] » I I completely agree, but we do have to
pay them to be here. So,
[1:04:34] » sure. We're going to have to have a
special board meeting to bring this up
[1:04:37] and have a discussion with Palis.
>> I think we need to listen, Bob, and see
[1:04:42] what he has to say. He has ideas for
grants. He has ideas for merges. He has
[1:04:46] ideas for us just standing up our own
marshals department again
[1:04:51] » and grants that will cover that since we
got rid of everything. I I know that
[1:04:55] Adam himself wrote a grant to to replace
his vehicle one year. Um
[1:05:03] » was that the last one you had?
>> Not the new one.
[1:05:06] » No, that one.
>> Not the brand new one.
[1:05:08] » Not the brand new last.
>> Yeah. No, the brand new one was never
[1:05:11] really They had 500 mile. Yeah. Well,
>> okay.
[1:05:16] » Maybe that was delivery. I don't know.
Well,
[1:05:19] » he also knows how to write up 9A with
the school so that they can vape for
[1:05:23] their own coverage because he does that
in bed.
[1:05:30] » I hope so.
[1:05:37] » Okay. Um
[1:05:41] item number eight, October Fest
budgetary request
[1:05:47] SCB and CERSA insurance bring in a
presented by intern town clerk
[1:05:55] for Tasha Vig supply.
By motion, we approve the October Fest
[1:06:03] budgetary request fee and CERSA in shows
program in the amount $39430.
[1:06:10] And we are also waving the where did I
see that somewhere else?
[1:06:18] » It should be a $25
>> and also waving the $25 fee to the state
[1:06:22] of Colorado for the special events fee.
>> Second.
[1:06:26] We have a motion and a second. Is there
any further discussion?
[1:06:32] Hearing none. None. May we have a vote,
please?
[1:06:34] » Trusty Bethl,
>> yes.
[1:06:37] » Trusty Price,
>> yes.
[1:06:38] » Trusty Stalin,
>> yes.
[1:06:40] » Trusty Wingle Black,
>> yes.
[1:06:41] » Mayor Wilcox,
>> yes. Motion passes.
[1:06:48] » Item number nine, request for
sponsorship for youth
[1:06:52] » Jim Canada status series P B Y A.
We have $250 left in our
[1:07:03] discretionary funds and I motion that we
give them their gold buckle sponsor in
[1:07:08] the amount of $200
[1:07:15] » from the discrepancy funds.
>> Okay, we have a motion and a second
[1:07:23] for the October Fest. Is there any
further discussion on this one's for the
[1:07:32] I'm sorry.
[1:07:37] » Yeah, sir. I didn't circle number.
Apologize. Anyway, have a motion in a
[1:07:44] second. Any further discussion?
Hearing none. Vote, please.
[1:07:51] » Trusty Bethl,
>> yes.
[1:07:52] » Trusty Price,
>> yes.
[1:07:54] » Trusty Stalin,
>> yes.
[1:07:56] » Trusty Wingle Black,
>> yes. Mayor Will Cox.
[1:07:59] » Yes.
>> Motion passes.
[1:08:02] Okay. I 10 set a special meeting for
discussion of the water line to
[1:08:09] B PBSD by the LA school district.
[1:08:17] Well,
[1:08:25] is there a date that
works best for?
[1:08:30] » I'm open
as well. Depends on what time day it is.
[1:08:35] » I've got a boiler inspection next Monday
and after that I'm open from now till
[1:08:42] » almost next week.
>> Yeah, I'm going to be here.
[1:08:47] if you are your child,
>> but it doesn't have to wait for me.
[1:08:56] » Yeah. in in that uh
[1:09:00] 19th.
>> I would ask that you guys read what the
[1:09:04] municipal code says
and spend some time on
[1:09:09] Google searching other who pays for
who pays for the cost of a water line to
[1:09:16] be installed
and what state statute in Colorado that
[1:09:20] refers to. You guys can find the
information you need.
[1:09:26] Um,
>> and keep in mind our fiscally
[1:09:30] responsibility duty to the to the
constituents of our town, not the entire
[1:09:36] community, please. That's all I ask of.
[1:09:44] And since it is a a special u discussion
about the waterline and it involves the
[1:09:50] school
probably need to contact
[1:09:54] the school superintendent
because I believe
[1:09:57] » I would get your advice from before you
contact him
[1:10:02] » the I've spoken with um the crown
attorney and his suggestion is that when
[1:10:07] we hold this meeting we have an
executive session so that you guys can
[1:10:11] receive legal advice.
[1:10:15] So that's part of it is I'm not sure we
necessarily want to invite the school
[1:10:20] yet.
>> Yeah. I just didn't know if if because
[1:10:25] we were discussing something that
involved them if they if they had the
[1:10:29] right to be there at that meeting. Okay.
>> The public portion of the meeting. Yes.
[1:10:34] They would have every right to be at an
executive session. They do not have a
[1:10:37] right to be at the time.
I have to have 24-hour notice.
[1:10:52] » I assume that the attorney would come up
action either person.
[1:10:57] » Mhm.
[1:11:00] » Yeah. We could do bright orange or you
guys can
[1:11:05] I don't have to be here,
of course. You know, I have a lot to say
[1:11:11] and I would like to hear, but I don't
want to hear. I'm just
[1:11:15] » come back.
>> I do not know.
[1:11:17] » But I'm going on vacation in the second
week of October. Oh, I've got three
[1:11:23] weeks bringing up weeks.
>> What are you leaving, Jessica?
[1:11:29] » Saturday morning.
>> Okay.
[1:11:33] Then you see if the the attorney can be
here before Friday and then we could
[1:11:42] » let's just schedule it attentively for
10 a.m. Friday
[1:11:46] and see if that works for
[1:11:51] this
[1:11:54] » Friday the 12th
>> Friday the 5th.
[1:11:57] » This Friday.
>> This Friday. Okay. Well, I won't be
[1:12:01] here.
>> You're not
[1:12:03] No,
[1:12:06] » I I'm leaving and I'll be back on the uh
13th.
[1:12:12] Go back to California. My dog.
>> Oh,
[1:12:18] flying out tomorrow.
[1:12:22] Then my family, the niece and the dogs,
they're all going to come back. We'll be
[1:12:27] here until sometime November. Can you do
Zoom
[1:12:32] Friday morning?
>> Friday morning? No, I I fly out
[1:12:37] tomorrow.
[1:12:40] » Oh, Zoom.
>> No, he cannot. We'll be at a funeral.
[1:12:45] » Okay.
>> No, you cannot.
[1:12:47] » Yeah, we cannot. We'll be at a funeral.
Yes. Got it.
[1:12:50] » Thank you, J.
Appreciate that.
[1:12:57] And it's not going to be mine, I hope.
[1:13:08] Bring the family back.
[1:13:12] » Well, we could try we could try th
Thursday at 10 a.m. at the can be here.
[1:13:17] » Not tomorrow. This Thursday.
>> I mean, no, not tomorrow. It would have
[1:13:19] to be Friday and it's Thursday.
>> Friday at the earliest or tomorrow?
[1:13:27] Yeah.
Yeah, it doesn't have to be event
[1:13:35] 45 minutes to post it.
[1:13:41] » Yeah, me earlier the better.
>> Be in the States
[1:13:46] and I'm going to be focused on my
family.
[1:13:48] » Well, right.
>> No,
[1:13:50] » at 9:00 a.m.
>> No.
[1:13:53] Well, that's someone saying we're
talking.
[1:13:56] » Oh, Terry just asked if I can do Zoom
out of town.
[1:13:59] » Oh, I was sorry. I was listening to
Terry or whatever. Sorry, Terry. It's
[1:14:04] » Listen.
>> So, can we do this earlier? Can we do it
[1:14:06] at 9:00 instead of 10?
>> Sounds good to me.
[1:14:10] » Friday.
>> That's fine with me.
[1:14:13] » Ducty would have to
>> about 8:30.
[1:14:18] I mean,
>> it would have to be posted by 9:00 a.m.
[1:14:21] tomorrow morning.
[1:14:28] This is posted in 20 minutes.
>> Can you make the poster door?
[1:14:32] » That's why you're here.
If you give me a Sharpie and a piece of
[1:14:36] paper
[1:14:39] to open,
[1:14:47] » we definitely need to make sure Bruce
could be done.
[1:14:53] » Is Bruce still here, Mike?
>> No, he was.
[1:14:55] » No,
>> I think you guys are just cutting it too
[1:14:57] close by rushing into Friday. Gary will
be back on the not till the 13th.
[1:15:02] » That's a Saturday. 's got to get moving.
[1:15:08] » So, we're got to get moving.
>> Yeah.
[1:15:13] » I think Friday at 9's a little
stressful, though. As far as
[1:15:17] » the agenda has to be posted
and
[1:15:24] » is 10 phasable, dusty
or nine?
[1:15:32] and is probably better
>> because she still has to confirm with
[1:15:37] everybody else.
>> Well, yeah. I'm gonna have to get a hold
[1:15:39] of the town attorney and confirm with
him and I need to keep her in Bruce that
[1:15:42] that he'll be around on that day and
time. Um,
[1:15:46] wish you a little finagling and I need
to have enough time
[1:15:51] to where I'm not running trying to get
something posted and then it's a minute
[1:15:57] late posted and then there I am and now
I've messed up everything.
[1:16:03] If you just give me that little bit of
cushion,
[1:16:08] » okay,
>> then we can shoot for 10:00 and I'll let
[1:16:11] you know as soon as I know tomorrow
morning. Okay.
[1:16:15] » Yeah. Either 10 or two.
>> Huh?
[1:16:18] » 10 or two.
>> 12:30.
[1:16:22] » 10 in the morning or 2:00 in the
afternoon. I mean, if we're going to go
[1:16:25] 10, we might as well go two
cuz it's right there in the middle of
[1:16:30] the day. And that just
[1:16:37] stuff. So, that's why I was trying to
have it earlier, but like I said,
[1:16:40] whatever. Let's keep going.
[1:16:46] Well, I would say contact Bruce and
contact the attorney and
[1:16:51] see what's most feasible for that and
see if we can make it happen.
[1:16:57] » And
thank you.
[1:17:01] » Thank you.
[1:17:07] Item 11, broadband fiber discussion.
[1:17:15] Wow.
[1:17:19] You mentioned that they have one power
line to bring in. Not here in Denver.
[1:17:23] Sounds like they're waiting on that last
piece.
[1:17:28] Can we figure out how much the town has
to pay for this?
[1:17:31] One month. Secrets
[1:17:36] » secret.
I mean obviously
[1:17:41] » we're three years behind schedule too.
So
[1:17:44] » there's no secrets. Everything's a
secret.
[1:17:49] » I I was down last weekend because the
fire was not installed. I lost two or
[1:17:55] three customers. Two customers been with
me for years.
[1:17:59] Um I'm sick of waiting in town. I know
it's not my turn to talk, but
[1:18:05] I wasn't on the agenda, but that's okay.
I wasn't planning on talking. Was good.
[1:18:12] I just don't feel like this is, you
know, some of waste my time.
[1:18:20] » It's been going on and on and I
understand your frustration.
[1:18:22] » Yeah.
>> Well, the crazy thing is it was the most
[1:18:26] V1s
and their time bomb on the GPS. I found
[1:18:31] that out Friday afternoon on top of me.
So all you got to do is cut the uh desk
[1:18:36] and then off. First you got to take them
apart, bring them down up
[1:18:45] years.
>> Have they settled on an affordable price
[1:18:49] for you?
>> No. You
[1:18:52] know what I say?
I've been with them for 12 years. It's
[1:18:57] it's comparable market rates I've seen
other places. what they want to charge
[1:19:01] me for rack space up here I think is 10
times what I paid them invoice rack
[1:19:08] space so that was frustrating but I
understand what I was paying them
[1:19:11] previously was not sustainable I got
grandfathered in as one of their first
[1:19:15] clients
>> I disagree about
[1:19:20] somewhere in the middle and and we had a
long discussion yesterday and probably
[1:19:25] will be this week um I want them to stay
around want to say see them sustainable
[1:19:31] Um, but
from my standpoint, everything was
[1:19:35] handed to you. Now you have to maintain
it. So does the necessity need to, you
[1:19:40] know, be to maintain your entire estate
project. You represent helping to be
[1:19:46] maintainable.
>> We're not getting any money from region
[1:19:49] 10.
>> Correct. Correct. No, no. I just they
[1:19:52] they don't need us providers don't need
to pay for their whole three-state
[1:19:56] network. Yeah.
[1:20:05] » He's got great pricing. He lives in
junction. He's got some sweet deals.
[1:20:10] » We have to maintain all the all the
fiber. Just so you know, the town
[1:20:14] » back to Quebec
>> from back ditch the mid. We have to
[1:20:19] maintain all
>> I concede that because I think you're
[1:20:22] responsible for the downtown building
>> then in charging us is responsible for
[1:20:28] everything from the CNL panel. I'd love
to look
[1:20:31] » I'd like for you to look over those
agreements too because it doesn't seem
[1:20:37] » the reason I see bringing them in to
help for that reason that you were only
[1:20:43] responsible here in the same job but I
would love that they do their
[1:20:52] » well the agreement was signed it was
pushed through a year and a half ago
[1:20:56] before this board took over and not a
single question was asked And it was a
[1:21:01] heck of a long agreement. happy to call
them tomorrow.
[1:21:06] I work with
>> they do have a lot of locations and I
[1:21:11] think that's one reason it's behind
schedule
[1:21:16] got wrapped in these bigger projects
than the funding and I think I think I
[1:21:19] wouldn't be surprised part of their high
prices because C do is probably
[1:21:28] ripping them off really bad.
Um,
[1:21:32] but I don't see, you know, I I think
Danny and I could run this whole thing,
[1:21:41] you know,
probably make it competitive. I think
[1:21:45] right now
letter you guys got there. You're just
[1:21:49] listening to us at Barrow. Over's got
the uh contract with the school. So,
[1:21:57] » another company came in. So it's going
to be interesting too.
[1:22:02] » The company came in to get the
>> that's brainstorm.
[1:22:06] » They have them previously as a what do
you call it? They have some sort of
[1:22:10] government grant program for their
internet and then they're the only I
[1:22:14] don't know I'm not approved to give them
that. What is the name of that program?
[1:22:18] » Oh yeah.
>> They they have a previous contract that
[1:22:21] lasts until November,
February somewhere in there until they
[1:22:26] are able to look for something else. So
the school has to bring this contract
[1:22:30] through very
[1:22:34] they should have put out the bid.
>> Well, it's coming up to it's a 5year
[1:22:37] contract before this unit started. It's
coming up this year, too. Do it.
[1:22:44] I mean, it depends on the school and how
they do it. You know, they can do it out
[1:22:47] once a month or you know if you're even
approved
[1:22:52] resell
[1:22:55] coming out they previous
correct me if I'm wrong with it. Did you
[1:23:01] did you say now I told
uh that we would be responsible for the
[1:23:08] magnets where from the back to the midp
let's find that out. I I don't know.
[1:23:14] Let's find that out. It's the last
meeting in March. I think it's March
[1:23:17] 9th,
2024.
[1:23:20] Huge agreement. You can probably come in
and request it.
[1:23:25] » Do we have anybody from region 10 on
with us tonight? I know requesting one
[1:23:31] here.
[1:23:36] » Let's uh ask person in charge.
>> Tell us what you know, Eric.
[1:23:42] » Hi there. Good to meet you all.
As you might know, I'm um also have
[1:23:48] roots in Plat Valley, graduated from
Plato Valley High School and related to
[1:23:54] the hills of Coburn
and uh was in Mr. Winkle Black's class
[1:23:59] in sixth grade. So deep roots
>> in the county and in um the area. Most
[1:24:06] of my family still lives there. So um I
wasn't involved with some of those
[1:24:11] negotiations that were u I wasn't part
associated with breathing 10 when those
[1:24:17] were made. So I can't speak to the
details of how and the rationale behind
[1:24:23] say maintenance of the fiber uh going
from back to culbrin. Um, I can tell you
[1:24:30] how this is being run everywhere else
and that Culbrron is just basically one
[1:24:35] node on a giant network that goes all
the way from Denver to Grand Junction
[1:24:41] and includes nodes that that region 10
built. they were really building it just
[1:24:46] to get themselves better internet from
Denver, but then there were all these I7
[1:24:51] corridor uh locations that said, "Hey,
we we'd like to get some better back
[1:24:57] hall um along I72." And so the concept
of the CNL is not new. It's been it's
[1:25:03] been employed um in Project Thor in the
area around Eagle and um all the way up
[1:25:11] to Steamboat and stuff for some time and
rather effectively and uh they pay
[1:25:16] actually the individual communities up
there pay a tremendous amount per month
[1:25:20] just to maintain that network. Uh region
10 does it a little bit differently. the
[1:25:24] only way that they may make income on
income for the what the counties of the
[1:25:29] six counties of region 10 have um
contributed towards dual grants like for
[1:25:35] 20-year IRUs for fiber going all the way
with Zo and C dot to Denver and to Grand
[1:25:39] Junction and elsewhere all the way down
to to Nucla and eventually that's going
[1:25:44] to extend down to where I live which is
in Pagosa Springs which is in region 9.
[1:25:49] Um the only way that they maintain any
of their sustainability is via leasing
[1:25:55] of uh those those fiber lines on a dark
fiber lease. Um in some cases or not
[1:26:02] dark fiber lease, sorry, sorry, it's a
little bit more technical than that and
[1:26:05] I won't get into it. It's more of a it's
optical transport gear where they put
[1:26:09] very expensive equipment that they paid
for into these CNLs and that provide
[1:26:15] internet to Daniel or Mark or Vero or
whomever else wants to be in there. It's
[1:26:21] a carrier neutral location meaning it
doesn't anyone can be in there. anyone
[1:26:25] gets the same prices. And those prices,
I didn't set those either, but they did
[1:26:30] have a um Colorado based internet um
consulting and broadband consulting
[1:26:36] company do a survey of those to find
what the the current standards were both
[1:26:42] for um the prices that they're currently
advertising across the board for um
[1:26:50] being in the CNL. that's basically
commensurate with colllocation is also
[1:26:54] what it's called is another name for
being in Iraq and having space and
[1:26:58] having you know access to the power and
the in the redundant cooling and the in
[1:27:03] the generators and everything else that
goes with that. Um so they do uh have
[1:27:08] rack space that they um that they charge
for in a half rack or a full rack um
[1:27:13] increments, but also for either the
internet that they're providing which is
[1:27:20] um fed from either Denver or Salt Lake
right now is what the the plan is and um
[1:27:25] is almost complete as Daniel mentioned.
We're just waiting on Lumen in um in
[1:27:31] 1850 Pearl Street in Denver to bring in
the right power for to run the last
[1:27:37] router. the the optical transport gear
which is as high very complicated and
[1:27:42] highly expensive equipment is installed
in Cronin as it is in um all the other
[1:27:47] locations along I7 that wanted to become
part of this network which included
[1:27:52] Newcastle Glenwood Palisade Rifle um a
lot of Mesa County and Garfield County
[1:27:58] locations and Palisad Grand themsel and
Pruda are all included and and PBR got
[1:28:04] in in a part of that. I, you know, from
having grown up there, we didn't really
[1:28:09] have internet at the school, I think Mr.
Shot had an email address and he was the
[1:28:14] only person I knew who had an email
address when I was in high school. So,
[1:28:17] wasn't an issue back then, but a huge
issue now. I I support the school
[1:28:21] district down here in Arceloa County.
And um I've kind of gone through the
[1:28:25] same process where and that's how I even
got hooked up with threes and 10 is that
[1:28:29] we had a single century link line of
fiber line coming in to uh Barcela
[1:28:34] County and we're building we're not um
our fiber as well all the way to to um
[1:28:40] Durango through the southern u tribe and
then leasing from seed dot going over
[1:28:45] Wolf Creek just so we can get
alternative paths into and out of our
[1:28:49] area which is you know affects public
safety with the cell phone tower. It
[1:28:53] affects the school districts and all the
other organizations that depend on um
[1:28:58] you know good b good broadband and
especially high high capacity like the
[1:29:03] school district might need. Um and we're
we're I I'm the broadband manager for
[1:29:08] Archel County in addition to helping
region 10. Um I was already going to
[1:29:13] lease from CEO going to Wolf Creek Pass.
But the problem is where do I go from
[1:29:18] there? That gets me to South Fork. Um,
Southport is not where the internet
[1:29:22] lives and Debec is also not where the
internet lives. And you, if you connect
[1:29:27] to something, you can't just have, you
know, a CNL or even just fiber to to
[1:29:33] this the C do um location on the highway
there in Tobec. You need something that
[1:29:38] takes you all the way to the internet
points of presence. And um that's what
[1:29:43] this the Reason 10 network does. And
that's what it's meant to do. And it
[1:29:48] will if you take advantage of that and
then let whomever wins the um for say
[1:29:54] for the school district whoever wins the
rate competition and it could be any of
[1:29:58] these guys that are in this room um they
get a spin number when it comes up for
[1:30:02] bid. I think I heard that mentioned.
They can all utilize your town fiber
[1:30:07] that's already built to just say, "Okay,
well, we'll use the region 10 network.
[1:30:11] We'll buy some internet from them. We'll
patch that in at the CNL over to the
[1:30:15] school district." And the school
district from day one should have a gig,
[1:30:19] five gigs, whatever they need for the
entire school to be able to to run
[1:30:24] efficiently and effectively from that
day forward. And what I'm hearing is
[1:30:28] currently the wireless that was
inherited I think by Vero from
[1:30:33] Brainstorm is very unreliable and does
not give the school district what they
[1:30:38] need on a daily basis to perform
adequate schooling. So this is all
[1:30:42] really the same thing I'm trying to do
down here in Archeletta County is what's
[1:30:46] happening there in uh Coburn where in
Plat Valley um in general where we're
[1:30:52] trying to get connect better connected
than the old Century Link lines um that
[1:30:57] we had in Arcelota County or whatever it
is that you also are using. I think it's
[1:31:02] microwave for the most part um over the
mesa. Uh we're trying to get better
[1:31:06] connections into the world. Um Mr. K,
which I'm sure um Gary uh Mr.
[1:31:12] Winkleblack also remember would often
say to our high school, there is a world
[1:31:16] beyond these hills. That was his mantra
almost every day we went into social
[1:31:21] study and this is how we connect to the
world on the beyond these hills.
[1:31:27] » Hey Eric, real quick a question for you.
Um, so I guess the question made before
[1:31:33] we started this was who is in the in the
region 10 contract? If there was a break
[1:31:39] exactly the midpoint between Culbrin and
Debec on on that on that line, if there
[1:31:45] was a break, who pays the bill to get
somebody to run out there and fix it?
[1:31:48] Just just real quick on that.
>> As far as I understand, the maintenance
[1:31:52] is on the town to do that. Having said
that, you know that V-Road isn't going
[1:31:57] to have a lot of digging going on on it.
and I do all of the maintenance of all
[1:32:01] the fiber that our solo county
maintains. It's not going to be region
[1:32:05] 9. It's not going to be region 10, but
we will take advantage just like you do
[1:32:08] with the uh optical transport gear
that's in our CNL and and uh providing
[1:32:14] housing essentially for that equipment
here and be happy to have it. Um it the
[1:32:20] breaks that happen within town um from
the anchor institutions wherever you
[1:32:27] have your town fiber. Uh that's why
there's a suggestion to re to get a
[1:32:31] monthly fee for that so you can build a
maintenance fee um that you can then pay
[1:32:37] a purion or deeply digital somebody in
Grand Junction that has slicing
[1:32:43] capability and um I don't know about the
locating. I think it's mostly aerial,
[1:32:47] right? So, you're not going to have to
do a whole lot of locating in town, but
[1:32:50] and I understand that Mike might be able
to do what part that you do have, but I
[1:32:55] think I've never really paid um once I
build up about $10,000 in a maintenance
[1:33:00] fee that will pay for an average um
likely occurrence of a break here in
[1:33:06] Bagosa. And you have I have a lot more
um potential break points of crossings
[1:33:10] of highways and uh I think a snow plow
hit at one spot of school when they you
[1:33:14] know we're going up an alleyway. Um
there there's at times it happens but
[1:33:19] the average cost per fix was about5 to
$7,000. I never really have had more
[1:33:24] than once a year. Usually it's one not
even every year. Uh and that's here I
[1:33:29] think in Coburn. Um the way I've seen
your network um and that especially that
[1:33:34] connection from
Debec to Pagosa, it's just maybe a wash
[1:33:40] out is your biggest issue of if you
actually had a flash flood that took out
[1:33:45] where that's buried and it's usually I
think about 4 foot down. So that's
[1:33:49] pretty unlikely even on itself in the
road. But I yes that's what I my
[1:33:54] understanding is I like I said I wasn't
part of that negotiation is that the
[1:33:58] town is responsible for the maintenance.
But my suggestion is take those internal
[1:34:02] funds that you do to lease to the the
fiber in town and build up a maintenance
[1:34:06] fund and then you can you can fix splice
cases when they get broken at some point
[1:34:11] and like after 10 years and start to
leak. Um if there is you know something
[1:34:16] that happens or you know somebody hits a
pole and knocks it down. Yeah. Usually,
[1:34:20] you can recover that cost from if it's a
contractor or commercial entity, you can
[1:34:25] recover that cost from uh their
insurance company, but you still have to
[1:34:29] pay it usually to get the guys to fix it
first and then you try to recover that
[1:34:33] afterwards. So, it's good to have a fund
even if you're going to recover your
[1:34:35] cost.
Does that answer your question? I mean,
[1:34:38] it's as much as I could.
>> Yes. Could you um find that portion in
[1:34:44] the agreement and send that over
tomorrow?
[1:34:47] uh the portion that talks about the
maintenance of it. I I'll I'll ask
[1:34:51] Michelle to find it for me or one of the
gals in region 10. For sure.
[1:34:56] » Thank you very much.
>> I'd love for you to read the whole
[1:34:58] concept. Both of you.
>> From what I understand, there's already
[1:35:02] just since the fiber was installed, it
wants to be drilled. There's already uh
[1:35:07] the plow paw has been exposed through
washouts or flash floods, whatever.
[1:35:14] » I I don't know anything about that. So,
if it has been, that's news to me. But,
[1:35:17] as far as um maintenance of that, if
there are areas that are subject to
[1:35:22] flash floods, I would hope that they the
installers would have put some level of,
[1:35:26] you know, extra protection against that
or it might be wise to have um somebody
[1:35:31] from maintenance do that, whether it's a
meshing system or something to just kind
[1:35:35] of protect it from actual wash out. Um
yeah, in general, I mean, just the the
[1:35:40] conduit being exposed is not going to
cause a problem. It's what you know
[1:35:44] might happen after that if a rock gets
you know dropped on it or somebody
[1:35:48] drives on it while it's exposed. Um
we've had wash outs here between our
[1:35:53] believes and Pagosa before and it it's
never caused an outage but it you know
[1:35:57] is something when it's exposed it does
need to be rearied.
[1:36:01] » Right. No, I just from working through
uh Quest communication seeing even
[1:36:08] critters chew through it just I don't
know if they feel frequency.
[1:36:13] » I've never seen them. Oh, sorry. I
didn't know we were finished. Um you get
[1:36:18] critters. You said
>> like
[1:36:21] » I have never seen them chew through an
HDP standard um conduit. I have had them
[1:36:26] I have had beavers chew through cable
but there and some of the areas that
[1:36:30] I've you know buried up here but I've
never certainly critters can be an
[1:36:35] issue. Uh but it's generally HTTP
conduit is is pretty robust.
[1:36:42] » Okay.
What is what is the uh
[1:36:49] so the proposed
rental of the rack space
[1:36:55] that the ISP
has to pay and then
[1:37:00] when the customer ends up
having to because just like these
[1:37:07] tariffs that are going on they're going
to have to pass along up their rates.
[1:37:14] in order for it to be feas to stay in
business.
[1:37:18] » What are we looking at for the customer?
>> Well, there's a cost to there's a cost
[1:37:23] to doing business when you're in the in
any kind of business and internet
[1:37:27] service provider is no different. I I do
my own small wisp and yeah, there's some
[1:37:31] overhead that I have to pay for my
bandwidth um for um you know whether
[1:37:37] it's rack space or tower space. there's
all these fees that are associated with
[1:37:41] it and you do generally try to charge
enough um to to make a profit at the end
[1:37:48] of it. But as far as the internal u
financials that's going on with each of
[1:37:52] your ISPs, I can't speak to those. But
others here in in uh in region 10 don't
[1:37:58] seem to have a problem. I've floated
that same pricing to um the what we're
[1:38:04] setting up here in Pagosa and I have not
gotten any push back from the ISPs here
[1:38:08] as being what they they recognize that
it's an expensive pro uh pro prospect to
[1:38:13] run aworked system and and it's in
everyone's interest that it is
[1:38:18] sustainable which is really all region
10 is is just a collection of you know
[1:38:22] the governments of those six counties
and you know so anything that they have
[1:38:28] ever tried to do and they've done it for
over 10 years as Daniel said um is try
[1:38:33] to maintain a level of sustainability
not um profit because at certain point
[1:38:39] DOA doesn't want to pay for maintenance
when you have to do a refresh they need
[1:38:43] you and they actually some lot of times
require you to show they have a
[1:38:47] capability of sustaining the network on
its own uh so we're not a private um
[1:38:52] region 10 is not a private company um
and they don't have venture capitalist
[1:38:57] backing they don't have um any other
ways to um you know get a line of credit
[1:39:03] even to maintain their network. They
need to get to a level of sustainability
[1:39:08] and if they can actually lower the
prices at some point across the board
[1:39:12] and still be sustainable that may
happen. Um and there is some level of
[1:39:17] give and take that does occur um when we
hear that you know okay well I'm paying
[1:39:21] this much somewhere else. So if they do
get a comparable that's actually
[1:39:26] comparable what region 10's apples to
apples situation is they will bend they
[1:39:31] will adjust to that. Um, so
what I could say is I I have seen
[1:39:36] nothing thus far that should prohibit
the the use of this and the improvement
[1:39:42] of service that it provides for back
hall internet uh from making it so that
[1:39:48] the any company with at least several
hundred subscribers if not several
[1:39:54] thousand um I guess there's what how
many 200 in the valley these days. How
[1:39:58] many is there?
>> You can't count the valley. You can only
[1:40:02] count the town which 180 locations
because this
[1:40:08] » the the the actual CNL was built in the
town but not only for the town. I mean
[1:40:15] I'm the hope is everywhere that is
>> the hope is everywhere that it's
[1:40:19] » you want to follow down 45
county residents.
[1:40:24] » My my hope is
my Can I speak please? Um my hope is
[1:40:30] that um and I think everywhere is that
the the fiber running into Culbrron
[1:40:35] would be used to serve greater Plato
Valley residents and that's what the
[1:40:41] ISPs there are already doing and my my
family being amongst them would benefit
[1:40:48] from this greater internet with actually
what's going to be less cost per per
[1:40:54] megabit
um and certainly more reliable. that's
[1:40:58] what has been available in the the
valley before that that's not that's not
[1:41:03] the pricing that the ISPs here um should
be limiting themselves to is several
[1:41:09] hundred uh residents of Coburn because
that's not what they're doing now
[1:41:16] » Eric yeah I I've never talked to you in
person and I'd hate to ambush you here
[1:41:21] in this meeting I I've been around since
uh Eagle Net and Eagle Net was lower per
[1:41:28] price per megabit than what you guys are
quoting. Also, I've had other service
[1:41:33] with region 10 and you know didn't pay
that high price. Your prices have been
[1:41:39] all over the board as currently I guess
they should well or over the years
[1:41:44] probably be a better way to put it. Um
but now you're you're charging more than
[1:41:50] the average provider uh whether it's
FastTrack or somebody else.
[1:41:55] So that's where I came from.
>> Um
[1:41:59] I wasn't here during Eagle Met. I'm
aware of its fa of its failures though.
[1:42:04] Um but what I can say the prices that
we're quoting are being met and accepted
[1:42:09] by other providers within the Grand
Valley and other places. So it's um it's
[1:42:15] not that we can do a scaled approach to
where somehow it's going to be less per
[1:42:21] megabit um in uh Coburn and Plat Valley
than it will be elsewhere at Debec or
[1:42:28] Parachute or Glenwood or any of the
other places that it is being accepted.
[1:42:32] So if there are other like apples to
apples comparisons that you can provide,
[1:42:38] I have seen them um adjust pricing uh to
try to meet that. And so if you have
[1:42:44] that then please provide it um is what I
would uh advise you to do Mark.
[1:42:50] » Well it should be based on the
population whether we go with the 2200
[1:42:55] or if we go with 180. But either case,
that's not a a high quantity. We're
[1:43:01] we're talking about Delta County, the
town of Delta, Montrose, Grand Junction,
[1:43:06] Pruda, as you guys mentioned. I don't
know why you guys remember BrutA. Um,
[1:43:10] you know, it's not,
you know, or there's plenty of service
[1:43:14] everywhere, but there's not that much
competition here. And yeah, Daniel
[1:43:20] Starling down, too.
I'm I'm really not gonna I'm not going
[1:43:24] to argue about what you think that the
pricing schema should be based upon. I'm
[1:43:30] telling you what others are paying
>> three years ago or to start it. But it's
[1:43:36] not your fault. You are the one who said
it. I just have something to say that
[1:43:40] concerns me because we have two local
providers that bust their butt to
[1:43:46] provide for us and um if they have to
double their pricing to accommodate
[1:43:55] us, we'll go we'll switch to Starlink
and we don't want to see our local
[1:44:00] businesses go out of business.
Everywhere else this is being used that
[1:44:05] I have seen it employed as far as the
pricing that is being also offered for
[1:44:10] rack space and internet and transport to
u the Culbrron CNL. The providers are
[1:44:19] offering gigabit service for fiber for
$60 a month and they're doing less than
[1:44:25] $100 for wireless. So there shouldn't be
any reason that that can't also be the
[1:44:31] case in Culbrron and Plat Valley. And
I'm saying this as an ISP myself in a
[1:44:36] small form of a WHIS WISP. These prices
are not going to jack up their prices
[1:44:41] unless they choose to do that. It is
just part of the overhead of running a
[1:44:46] business.
>> Mark, how many clients do you have
[1:44:49] customers? Total total
>> in this area not everywhere
[1:44:54] » in about 800 in Mason County
>> in just Colin area
[1:45:00] » I have like 14 people on fiber
>> of the 180 locations. So the take r's
[1:45:08] not been that great either.
So yeah 14 times 60.
[1:45:15] Is that your only w is that your only
customers? Are there fiber customers in
[1:45:19] Plato Valley?
>> No, for fiber. Yeah, that's what he's
[1:45:24] saying. For fiber, he's got 14. But
>> what about all together?
[1:45:31] » I think I probably couple hundred maybe
the whole the whole valley. Maybe
[1:45:37] I have to look.
I just I'm so
[1:45:42] What about you, Daniel?
They're about probably 350 in in the
[1:45:47] valley here
>> and and it could be scaled down to the
[1:45:53] lowest that they're that it's being
offered is a gigabit of DIA which is
[1:45:57] direct internet access. So meaning
getting internet from the wholesale
[1:46:01] provider at uh this that they can use
for any of their customers no matter
[1:46:07] whether they're fiber, whether they're
fixed wireless, whether they're cable,
[1:46:11] all those can be fed by this back haul
and it's made redundant. So if you get a
[1:46:16] fiber cut in Glenwood Canyon, it will
route out to if you're buying that um
[1:46:21] internet access, it will route to Salt
Lake. It will still get you out. It's
[1:46:25] made to be redundant. This is all part
of their 800 what's going to be an 800
[1:46:29] mile loop that goes through Pigosa that
makes it so the western slope is finally
[1:46:34] not dependent on places like Censory
Link to get these depend these um
[1:46:39] redundant services. And so I think you
know what it is that's being provided is
[1:46:44] not can't be um undersold or oversold.
It can't be oversold as far as what is a
[1:46:51] difference from what it is previously
ava available in these small mountain
[1:46:55] communities including mine and including
yours. This is something that I've been
[1:46:59] waiting for for a long time. And so the
pricing while I I don't think it's
[1:47:05] outside of the bounds of what is um is
normal and and Mark's welcome to bring
[1:47:12] you examples of something that he feels
is different to Reason 10. And again,
[1:47:16] I'm not the one that sets the prices. um
the differences in kind of what's being
[1:47:22] provided here is something that that
Plato Valley has never had.
[1:47:26] » And I'm I was almost astounded when I
heard that that was getting built across
[1:47:30] Vro because the fact that there's um no
fiber that comes in as a back haul into
[1:47:36] Plat Valley and Culbrron is something
that makes it uniquely isolated from a
[1:47:42] network and internet standpoint. and and
it has there has been many times I've
[1:47:46] been up there and had and could not work
with pre-starlink um because there was
[1:47:52] just no something happened to your back
haul and it was down and you didn't have
[1:47:57] redundancy. You still have some problems
with redundancy just on that path and
[1:48:02] it'd be great to have two paths. That's
you know but that's not always the
[1:48:05] luxury that we you know we can have from
day one and it you know would have to go
[1:48:10] a different path than it does now. So,
getting this one currently set up,
[1:48:14] working, and active is I the the
situation that I think we all want to
[1:48:18] see happen.
And it's getting I mean, it's close
[1:48:22] enough to have just be waiting on a a
power cord and um and Pearl Street and
[1:48:28] the and the routers to be programmed for
that to be become available to uh
[1:48:33] Daniel, Mark, and uh and others. Vero
being um one that I know is very
[1:48:38] interested in it for the school under
their current rate contract.
[1:48:42] » Well, you know, my point is it be the
rate I mean the if we can actually have
[1:48:48] redundancy of the at the rate you're
talking that's one thing but it's not
[1:48:53] you know we I' I've got to still
maintain my radio network because you're
[1:48:57] going to have this break either on Vroad
or something like that. So I sought to
[1:49:02] maintain the infrastructure I already
have. It's just this gets to be another
[1:49:08] route. So now we do have a secondary
route.
[1:49:12] » Well, I I would think you would want it
to be your primary route. Um the speeds
[1:49:16] that you're seeing from Grand Junction
right now when they're doing the testing
[1:49:20] on the optical gear from Grand Junction
to Denver was less than 3 milliseconds
[1:49:25] um of speed. and and for you know those
of you that are ISPs in the audience you
[1:49:29] you know that that's pretty good. Um so
it's both it's both and it's using level
[1:49:34] three as the primary provider which is
different than all the other providers.
[1:49:38] I don't know who you're using as your
wholesaler for bandwidth um upstream of
[1:49:43] your network but most likely it's coming
from either cogen or hurricane. Well
[1:49:47] this one isn't. So it's redundant on
that level as well. So it's got multiple
[1:49:51] layers of redundancy that will help um
maintain service for your customers. Uh
[1:49:57] even if we do have some uh failures
within the upstream networks, there's it
[1:50:02] will fail over to alternate directions.
>> Well, the current Western Slope price
[1:50:07] from FastTrack being a provider here,
Western Slope out of Durango is about
[1:50:15] $1,100 for a five gig circuit.
which is pretty much what I would want
[1:50:22] out of full remote. Um, not $1,000 or
$1,500 for a one gig circuit,
[1:50:30] » a five gig circuit for $1,100 and that
that's
[1:50:36] » Can we limit this to a discussion
between Region 10 and yourself? I just
[1:50:41] don't think this is the forum to discuss
pricing and I was not prepared to do
[1:50:45] that.
It happened three years ago, but we
[1:50:47] weren't invited at the time to be part
of this and this board just doesn't seem
[1:50:52] the value of it. I don't want to keep
beating everybody's time and I think
[1:50:55] that that that was the last thing I did
want to say. So, Eric, I'm apologize for
[1:50:59] that, but I did I just wanted to point
the discrepancies where you guys are at
[1:51:04] compared to the rest of the world
or western Colorado.
[1:51:10] I I don't know that you're
characterizing the whole picture of what
[1:51:13] the network is and we'd be happy to do a
demonstration on that in case there's
[1:51:19] people that are unaware of that. Cory is
on a plane today so he couldn't be here
[1:51:24] but he does a very good demonstration of
what this network is, how it benefits
[1:51:30] the citizens of Western Slope and and
um without getting into pricing. pricing
[1:51:36] is something that you and Daniel and um
whomever Bureau assigns to be their
[1:51:43] their negotiator need to talk to us
about. I I I I I think from the
[1:51:47] standpoint of what it really can do for
the town, what it's going to do for
[1:51:51] Pagosa, um is it's going to get it's
going to make um our access to the
[1:51:57] internet something that I can now rely
on to use cloud services for all of our
[1:52:02] school districts and all of our city and
county facilities. Whereas before we had
[1:52:06] to run um very expensive um uh servers
uh with storage area networks. Well,
[1:52:12] those are getting harder and harder to
maintain anyway because of where the
[1:52:16] world is going as you guys probably
know. So, we've got to have highly
[1:52:20] redundant, highly capable internet
services to stay competitive with the
[1:52:23] world. And that's what this provides.
So, if you want a demonstration at some
[1:52:27] point, if the town council would like
one to show what this network really is
[1:52:31] about now that we're on the cusp of
lighting it up, I think we'd be happy to
[1:52:35] do that.
[1:52:44] Any other discussion?
>> No.
[1:52:48] » Thanks, Eric.
>> Thanks, Eric. We'll let we'll let you
[1:52:52] guys uh negotiate and communicate and uh
read over the contract and go from there
[1:52:57] and
see what happened.
[1:53:01] I know there's a lot a lot of people
that have waited and Mark said it's
[1:53:06] three three or more years uh past uh
what was done. So there's a lot of
[1:53:12] people that have
given up and they've just gone with
[1:53:15] Starlink and and that's Starlink they
they've commented on you know the towns
[1:53:22] page whatever that they won't go with
anybody else. all.
[1:53:28] » Yeah, I'm in the I'm in the same boat
down here. I've been working on getting
[1:53:32] the fiber of a Wolf Creek now for eight
years. Um, and so I feel your pain. Um,
[1:53:38] it's it's a long when you talk about
middle mile rural fiber buildouts and
[1:53:43] all of this. It's uh there are a lot of
contingencies. There's a lot of
[1:53:46] components, but once it's in place, I
think you guys will definitely see the
[1:53:50] difference. So, yeah, I think you should
be happy that it's finally coming to a
[1:53:53] conclusion.
>> Well, the difference is here. We've been
[1:53:56] promising, not we, the people have been
promised over and over by the end of the
[1:54:01] year, every single year that it was
coming.
[1:54:06] » Thankfully, I can I can person I can
personally say I was not the one that
[1:54:09] made that promise.
>> Yeah.
[1:54:11] » Though I I personally can absolve myself
of that of having made that mis
[1:54:16] misstatement. But yeah, I there's
everything is in place to have this
[1:54:21] light lit up. Um, and I'm looking very
much forward to it. So, hope you guys
[1:54:25] are too.
>> Cool.
[1:54:27] » Okay. Well, we'll we'll let you guys
discuss that. In the meantime, we'll
[1:54:32] take a five minute break
[1:54:38] or whatever.
>> Thanks, Eric.
[1:54:53] Mike's got it. He's got another
commitment.
[1:54:56] » All right. Thank you.
[1:55:07] » Daniel, thank you. I would like to touch
just real quickly on it sounds like
[1:55:12] region 10 is nearing very close to the
completion. We will be turned up
[1:55:17] hopefully day one where I'm going to go
find somebody. But we should be we
[1:55:22] should be turned up immediately. We need
to work with the town. That's that's
[1:55:26] what I need you guys for to figure out
what you guys figure out fair price to
[1:55:33] let us on. I'm sure Mark wants to jump
on the downtown loop as well. I don't
[1:55:38] know. Um, but to get from the CNL to
where we can serve our customers,
[1:55:45] um, I'd love to set down a meeting next
couple weeks, try to figure out what
[1:55:50] that looks like. Um, I don't think I can
make the next board meeting. I've got a
[1:55:56] lot of construction to do between now
and then, and I would love to do that
[1:56:01] sooner rather than later.
>> Do you have his phone?
[1:56:04] » So, we've got 11:00 on Friday.
[1:56:10] Um I'd love to take some down ball some
ideas to the page to fair you guys.
[1:56:15] » So do you guys have um pricing
suggestions that are comparable to other
[1:56:20] areas for this
>> has more pricing? I don't know about the
[1:56:24] middle mile stuff but on the fiber I
think the region 10 pricing was looked
[1:56:30] good to me. Um
yeah,
[1:56:34] » we have to come up with a price for the
and the town attorney does have a
[1:56:39] meeting scheduled with region 10 next
week.
[1:56:43] » In the in the papers there, I think they
had a in town surrogate price.
[1:56:47] » We don't want to raise price our local
people on those.
[1:56:50] » Sure.
>> Sure. Absolutely.
[1:56:53] » But we do have to pay to maintain
everything and it was put down a road
[1:56:56] that washes out every winter.
>> Yeah. Okay. Well, there's two of us that
[1:57:01] can go splice fiber without calling
somebody for $8,000. Go do it. So, you
[1:57:05] got back though. We've got splicers.
We'll figure it out because I'm not
[1:57:09] going to be down while we're waiting for
somebody to Denver to take $1,000 from
[1:57:15] us.
>> I'd like you guys to look over that
[1:57:17] stuff because it was never discussed and
I'm not sure that they entered into a
[1:57:20] long-term contract period to to do all
repairs.
[1:57:24] » That would be not a good idea, right?
>> That could be reason. And I know Amber
[1:57:28] asked over and over again like do we
have the right to tell anybody and they
[1:57:32] said yeah but I mean what's in writing
is what matters. Let's look it over. And
[1:57:40] » so so the attorney the attorney is going
to
[1:57:44] » Yeah, he already has a meeting scheduled
next week with regent to go over because
[1:57:49] he knows we're trying to get this
finalized and so
[1:57:52] » so I would suggest that we have after
the attorney has a discussion with her
[1:57:57] pay. Okay. Let's just make sure when
that is appointed a point discussion to
[1:58:03] try to figure out that pricing. Yeah.
Yeah.
[1:58:05] » Okay.
>> And if I'm not here, I just beg of you
[1:58:08] guys, if we run off our local providers,
it's not going to be pretty. You might
[1:58:13] interview them.
>> So, it's really expensive for everybody.
[1:58:17] » Even if they suggest an outrageous
price, we have to negotiate and we have
[1:58:23] to make this happen.
[1:58:30] I think also that our area is probably
one of the smallest
[1:58:35] that what they've done. Um, you know,
you can't save fruit and you can't save
[1:58:40] Montro. You can't save ocean. It's dirt
cheap. It's cheaper than Montro. It's
[1:58:45] dirt cheap in Denver.
>> There's competition and there's big
[1:58:48] people there. There's big and that's why
we can all pricing against like you said
[1:58:54] we can we can price today. there's
nobody to price check against in the
[1:58:57] culprit. So, I feel they're being fair.
They've got good pricing from them in
[1:59:02] the past. Um,
yeah, just comes down to what does the
[1:59:09] town need for this downtown loop and and
that all obviously works into the whole
[1:59:14] equation.
>> Well, that's the whole reason L Newman
[1:59:18] has been cherrypicking and staying in
metropolitan areas.
[1:59:22] » Yeah.
Well, they never ran fiber up here. We
[1:59:26] wouldn't be here if Lumen kept up with
us. The state holding we wouldn't be
[1:59:30] here. Tried to get that done for I70 up
the
[1:59:35] up the highway in 1990 and that and that
was the time to do it.
[1:59:40] uh and get the property owners to
understand that
[1:59:46] the BC would have required or given a
lot of that instruction cost to bring it
[1:59:53] up if they would have just put in the
orders and then
[2:00:00] once it was brought up they could have
cancelled the orders
[2:00:04] but that didn't happen and that's so
we're at where we're at. prepared.
[2:00:09] » So, can we schedule a meeting after that
region 10 meeting
[2:00:14] » that a after the yeah after the atari
dox region 10
[2:00:22] then we'll have a better idea.
>> Do you really know where all you're
[2:00:27] talking about?
>> A decent idea but not a whole lot of
[2:00:31] population.
>> No, it's not laid out right. Well, it's
[2:00:36] it gets us down the loop. Um, gets us to
our main core.
[2:00:41] » Um, because the CNL, isn't that it gets
us a fiber door to our main quarter
[2:00:45] gives us fiber to our towers are our
primary customers. Yeah. Are
[2:00:53] » the ones we need to get into and and
upgrade to the fiber day one, you know,
[2:00:57] you know, we can get
>> and hopefully you'll get more customers.
[2:01:01] » Well, like us, Frank is on to the 911
tower, too. that didn't happen, you
[2:01:07] know, or some kind of but at the same
time.
[2:01:12] » Okay. Moving on. Discussion regarding
the update updated employee agreement
[2:01:19] for intern Park treasure resolution
number 19 series of 2025.
[2:01:30] So,
a resolution of the board of trustees of
[2:01:35] the town of Gold in Colorado approving
an updated employment agreement for the
[2:01:39] intern
[2:01:44] employment agreement.
[2:01:51] » I do I have some stuff to say.
[2:01:57] We I'm going to read a definition from
um good old AI. Fiscal responsibility
[2:02:04] refers to using money wisely, balancing
income and expenses, and planning
[2:02:09] accordingly. It can apply to
individuals, businesses, and
[2:02:12] governments. $90 an hour is $180,000 a
year. We cannot afford to keep Dusty on.
[2:02:24] Uh what what I wanted to say was that
this was the second extension uh for
[2:02:30] Dusty and I would just hope at the end
if we approved this extension that she
[2:02:34] considered at the end of this extension
to become a full-time employee. you
[2:02:39] know, not on the interim status, but you
know, as a full-time employee, I
[2:02:43] appreciate all your work and everything,
but I think at some point, you know, uh,
[2:02:48] we need to discontinue the interim
situation and you at that point can
[2:02:53] probably decide whether you want to stay
or or go. Uh, but I think that just this
[2:02:58] would be the third time that we have
that. So, I think at the end of this, I
[2:03:02] would ask that you consider being a
full-time employee.
[2:03:05] » And I'm ready to have that discussion at
any point.
[2:03:08] Um, and the only reason it's this way is
because the contract is expiring
[2:03:13] and
>> so I just put it back in front of you on
[2:03:17] the terms that we have been doing.
>> Right. We approved $90 an hour when we
[2:03:21] had no other staff in the building and
now we have four people
[2:03:26] and we cannot keep going at $180,000 a
year.
[2:03:29] » We have two full-time employees.
>> Bruce is here three hours a day
[2:03:34] » and Melanie floats when she can. She is
untren. I'm still carrying the brunt of
[2:03:40] this show.
>> I understand that.
[2:03:43] » And the liability and everything else
that goes on. And I understand where
[2:03:47] you're coming from.
>> Well, you just can't. It's not It's not
[2:03:51] doable for a town of 300 people and the
um percentage of employment income that
[2:03:57] we have going out right now. So,
>> well, yeah. At 90, $190 an hour. It's
[2:04:04] not a year contract, so you can't
calculate it on a year basis. It's a
[2:04:08] 90-day contract.
>> I understand that.
[2:04:11] » Right. That's $46,800.
>> But like Gary said, we need to move on
[2:04:16] with the, you know, rent position. And
so,
[2:04:23] you know, I don't know what uh
weight you're looking at for a permanent
[2:04:31] position,
but
[2:04:37] By motion not to approve the resolution
of the board of trustees of the town of
[2:04:41] Culbert, Colorado approving not
approving the updated employment
[2:04:45] agreement for interim town clerk manager
town clerk treasure slashemp employment
[2:04:51] agreement with Dusty Kella. Well,
>> let me ask you this, Dusty. Is that is
[2:04:56] that that per hour? Is that negotiable?
>> Of course, but there's zero discussion
[2:05:02] about it. So,
>> well,
[2:05:06] » like $50 an hour. Is that negotiable?
>> The $90 an hour is negotiable. Nobody
[2:05:11] has presented anything
but a motion on the table.
[2:05:16] » I mean, I think
>> so. I presume nobody wants to negotiate
[2:05:19] or they would have proposed it.
>> Yeah.
[2:05:22] » Which is fine.
>> I serve at the pleasure of the board and
[2:05:25] if they're not happy with me, then I
will
[2:05:28] » I don't think that's a point.
>> By all means. I think the point is is I
[2:05:33] think that we're
[2:05:37] we think we're paying more than what we
should be now
[2:05:40] » for sure
>> for anybody.
[2:05:42] » For sure.
>> If we come up with a reasonable rate, I
[2:05:47] don't see why we couldn't keep you were
happy and we were happy.
[2:05:51] » That's always been the deal. So, I'm
kind of blindsided by that. I'm just
[2:05:55] going to emotion not to accept a
contract instead of putting forth,
[2:06:00] » hey, would you be acceptable to this?
Would you be acceptable to this? That
[2:06:06] wasn't what just occurred here.
>> Well, I understand what you're saying,
[2:06:11] » but I also understand what she said.
>> No, we're discussing it right now
[2:06:14] because
>> we're not
[2:06:15] » we don't all get to go I don't get to go
hang out with the five of us.
[2:06:21] » No, we don't. your deal price or your
>> so we don't know you know we don't sit
[2:06:28] around each other and
>> we think she's worth $50 an hour
[2:06:34] somebody says no $40 an hour or whatever
you know nobody we don't sit around on
[2:06:41] our own time and talk about so none of
us really know what options we got as
[2:06:47] far as what a decent pay would be or
what do you expect us to that if you
[2:06:52] were hired full time,
>> but now is not the time or place to
[2:06:58] discuss it.
And I assume that from seeing the
[2:07:03] contract again that $90 an hour is I
mean that's what you think you're worth.
[2:07:09] And I'm just saying we can't afford
that. That's it.
[2:07:15] The only reason the $90 is charged
>> is because of the situation I was put
[2:07:21] in. So for you to say that
>> is a misrepresentation. You know exactly
[2:07:27] why that $90 is being charged and it has
nothing to do with my ego.
[2:07:34] » I'm not saying it has to do with your
ego.
[2:07:36] » Nothing.
[2:07:39] Nothing. No, we agree because like you
said, you had to wear all of a sudden
[2:07:45] all of all of the hats stuff
we we do. Yeah, Bruce is in here
[2:07:52] three hours a day. Um
>> Mike is helping.
[2:07:56] » So, what is your proposal since it's
your fiduciary duty? What is your
[2:08:02] proposal to pay me an hourly rate? What
are you proposing?
[2:08:07] probably nothing you're going to be
happy with after making $90 an hour.
[2:08:11] » That's for me to decide, not for you.
>> I it would be a discussion that we would
[2:08:15] have to
>> and so if you have a number and can come
[2:08:19] to the table with a number, then I can
think about that number. But I can't
[2:08:24] just sit here and deal in hypotheticals.
[2:08:31] » Hence why you got the contract the way
you had previously approved it. But I'm
[2:08:36] saying
>> for the discussion,
[2:08:38] » right? We're just asking we have we can
set aside
[2:08:45] so we can have a discussion about how
much to offer and see if that's will be
[2:08:51] willing to do it for that product
>> for sure
[2:08:53] » or camera off
>> for sure
[2:08:58] ask
>> that's how it should make motion we
[2:09:04] um
how do you say It's
[2:09:08] set aside
table.
[2:09:13] » When When is the contract?
>> Not until next month. So, this was just
[2:09:20] » It actually expires the middle of this
month. That's why I needed to bring it
[2:09:24] to you. So, we have a couple weeks. It
is at your discretion. If you all go
[2:09:28] home tonight and decide tomorrow that
you don't want to have contract
[2:09:32] negotiations,
let me know. Where are you guys at with
[2:09:37] the uh hiring for that position now? I
mean, you just hired for a town manager.
[2:09:44] You've got to get that position filled,
but we're a position working.
[2:09:50] » Well, so I mean I been here for a while
was just temporary,
[2:09:57] » right? Because she was still have with
another employer. But is that right?
[2:10:03] That is slightly incorrect. Yes, I have
pre I have a commitment with my previous
[2:10:08] employer, but my intention has always
been
[2:10:11] » No, I understand
>> to stay on
[2:10:13] » I understand
>> and fill that permanent position. I
[2:10:17] didn't introduce the the reason we're
here is because when we went to do the
[2:10:23] contract last time, the town attorney
mentioned that you could do it for a
[2:10:27] longer period with a clause that says if
this and this happens, that rate
[2:10:34] changed. Nobody it
was approved the way it had been
[2:10:39] previously
approved by the board. That's the only
[2:10:44] reason it is the way it is right now is
because it's the current contract that I
[2:10:50] am under. If you don't feel comfortable
with those terms, you by all means have
[2:10:55] every right to communicate with me
>> and say this is what we're willing to
[2:11:03] do.
>> This is what's happening this work.
[2:11:05] » This is what's happening right now. So
now we know that the $90 an hour is
[2:11:12] gone.
sucks cuz I'd love to make that too.
[2:11:16] » It means nothing to me. I think the
amount of stress that I have absorbed in
[2:11:20] the three months, but $90 doesn't cover Sorry. I apologize.
[2:11:27] » You're okay. You're okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. We're just having a
[2:11:31] discussion here. There's no need to get
mad.
[2:11:33] » Not mad
>> or upset. Well, I'm not going to tell
[2:11:36] you how to feel. you feel how you want,
but we're obviously going to have a
[2:11:40] discussion about
>> this contract takes us into six months
[2:11:43] at $90 an hour. When we approved this,
you were working like 15 hours. Now
[2:11:49] you're working full-time and there was
you were also the only staff member we
[2:11:55] had left.
>> So, at that time, we had no choice. We
[2:11:58] had no option but to give you what you
wanted. But now we have
[2:12:04] this office is full of of staff members.
And so
[2:12:09] and if you're not happy and it's that
stressful, I I apologize, but it's
[2:12:14] » that's my issue. It doesn't have
anything to do with anybody.
[2:12:17] » It's something that I've taken on and I
don't mean to anybody, but to make
[2:12:21] cracks about 90 bucks an hour.
>> We Well, all I'm saying is we can't
[2:12:25] afford it.
>> I understand. And I've never tried to
[2:12:29] commit you to a year or anything else.
>> I have been here to benefit you. It is a
[2:12:35] 30 a 90-day contract.
>> Okay, this our second 90-day contract at
[2:12:40] $90 an hour.
>> Then why have we not tried to fill that?
[2:12:44] Why have we waited
six months and never talked to me about
[2:12:50] transitioning to a permanent position?
Like if that was the end goal,
[2:12:57] why in six months hasn't anything been
done to move towards that?
[2:13:04] » Agree.
>> The initial
[2:13:06] » I agree.
>> The initial three months was
[2:13:10] what was it? 30 $35 an hour.
>> No,
[2:13:15] 290 cuz I'm going to talk to you guys.
>> The second that was the second contract.
[2:13:19] » I'm going to talk to you guys saying 90
reasonable rate. The first contract was
[2:13:24] not $90,
>> right? It should have been.
[2:13:27] » Well, I think they just put the contract
aside from the standpoint and asked
[2:13:30] Desi, Desi, if you want to work for the
town, then we already have a position.
[2:13:35] We already have a salary schedule. And
if you're willing to work full-time
[2:13:40] under that salary schedule, then I think
that would be great. No, I agree that
[2:13:44] the $90 a day we did that. And that kind
of leads into what I've been talking
[2:13:47] about hiring a full-time town manager
because we had Angie and Sprank had $900
[2:13:56] a day and we had her for three months,
you know, and then we bring on Bruce and
[2:14:00] he's like $125 an hour and 750 bucks
expenses. I mean, where does it end?
[2:14:09] » He's not. So, I'm saying, excuse me,
five days. I want the I want the full we
[2:14:13] bring out a full-time person whether we
think it's a two day a week person or a
[2:14:17] full-time person. Bruce and I'll quote
him said that it's far too many
[2:14:22] essentials need to be brought up to date
with your new administrator to be
[2:14:26] successful. Well, isn't that why Bruce
is here that mentor somebody that bring
[2:14:30] men and how can those person bring up
the date if you don't let them sit next
[2:14:34] to the guy and let you let him let that
person be trained to those things that
[2:14:39] need to bring up the date? You bring
them all up to date and then you shove
[2:14:42] them on there and say, "Hey, here you
go." You know, you don't do that. And
[2:14:45] that's the same thing that's happened
right here. We just continue. We just
[2:14:48] continue to pay $90 an hour. We're
continue to pay $900 a day. We continue
[2:14:53] to pay 100 sunrise per hour. And I've
been harping for the last three, four
[2:14:59] months. would need to hire somebody to
full-time manager and then Dest wouldn't
[2:15:02] have to do all of this work. She would
have somebody that would work with her
[2:15:06] and it wouldn't be so, you know, I'm
just amazed that she's hung in as long
[2:15:10] as she has with the procrastination that
we've had and not hiring a town manager.
[2:15:15] » Well, what the hell's going on here? I
don't get it.
[2:15:18] » We've been paying the $900. We've been
paying that $90 an hour. I've been
[2:15:22] » We have an interimm manager right now.
His name's Mike Nibble. Mike, you know,
[2:15:27] you said how important management is.
Mike is not qualified to do that job. He
[2:15:32] did it out of the goodness of his heart
and but he has a full-time job right
[2:15:36] now, a very important one for this town,
the most notable one of all the jobs in
[2:15:40] this town. And to ask him to take on
more considering his family and
[2:15:44] everything else in his life, it's asking
too much. And it's irresponsible. And
[2:15:48] it's
>> it's asking that that's his choice. And
[2:15:53] it's and and if it if it affects his
family or whatever, it's not worth it
[2:15:58] like you say. But that's
>> he's trying it and he's training and
[2:16:01] we're going to give him a shot.
>> That's that's maybe I'll have a
[2:16:05] heartto-he heart to see that if that's
really what he wants because I think he
[2:16:09] acquiesced to that because of the fact
that he was asked to do it and he feels
[2:16:12] like the town is in a bad spot. But who
knows? I mean, you need to have a
[2:16:16] heartto-he heart and say, is this really
something that you want to do? And that
[2:16:20] that's the thing is is we need to have
somebody that has some experience to
[2:16:24] come on board and do it, not train
somebody
[2:16:28] to do the job.
>> In the meantime, he's trained for it.
[2:16:31] And so even if he does not take the town
administrator position, he will be
[2:16:35] completely and fully trained so that if
we get in a pinch again, he can still
[2:16:40] step into that role until we fire
somebody. I don't want you.
[2:16:48] » That's the main we're on.
We're discussion,
[2:16:54] right? The only reason Mike was brought
up was because
[2:16:58] » Well, you made a motion. It wasn't
second. So, God, you made a motion. I'll
[2:17:02] second your motion to table this.
[2:17:07] And we need to have some talk with Dusty
and get this. That's what I'm That's
[2:17:11] what I was saying. We need communication
with us. You're right.
[2:17:15] » So, that could be a special board
meeting.
[2:17:18] » Yes. So,
>> or
[2:17:20] what's it called?
>> Or ask
[2:17:25] the job description and everything
that's in place right now and say hire
[2:17:29] as a full-time employee in that
position. As a town clerk,
[2:17:32] » I say as a contractor, Dusty should make
you an account an offer and you guys can
[2:17:37] decide if you accept it or not. She has
gone from part-time to full-time. I
[2:17:42] guess be the right way to put it.
Haven't been a contractor before. That's
[2:17:46] the way I would have done it.
>> But Dely, are you what is your main are
[2:17:52] you?
>> My fear is if we if we go back to a 30
[2:17:57] or $35 an hour, then we're not going to
have a full-time person because when we
[2:18:01] paid a lower rate, it was not a
full-time person. $90 an hour is a huge
[2:18:05] incentive to work 40 hours a week.
That's just my opinion.
[2:18:09] Well, and there again, that's up to
Dusty. That's up to Dusty decide. Does
[2:18:14] Dusty want to be the the clerk and
reporter or does she just want to be the
[2:18:19] same?
>> I've done this before. Remember that?
[2:18:23] » That's fine. It's smart.
>> Please, Mark. Don't this is for the law.
[2:18:27] Now,
>> are we tableabling it to a date certain
[2:18:31] or a date uncertain?
[2:18:35] » I have a motion in a second. That's it.
Okay.
[2:18:43] » So, we're going to table this, but we
have to have an executive session,
[2:18:47] correct? Because we'd have to discuss
pricing and
[2:18:53] » I don't session when when we initially
when we interviewed Dusty for the job,
[2:18:58] it could be is an open meeting. We could
have an open meeting and interview her
[2:19:02] and say, "Here's what we do."
>> I don't know. argue.
[2:19:05] » I I didn't know if we had to have an
executive session to have a sit down and
[2:19:09] talk with Dusty to see what she wants to
see if she agrees.
[2:19:13] » That's no matter to me. I'll do it open
meeting or
[2:19:16] » I don't know what's legal. No legal
jargon to that.
[2:19:20] » In our budget, it says that
we can't there's no way to break up our
[2:19:27] job because we had a clerk, manager,
treasurer.
[2:19:34] We could never have
>> together as one position. So I don't
[2:19:37] even know what the
[2:19:42] » we don't even know what the drawing is.
[2:19:48] So we
[2:19:52] do know
we got a position open but we can't even
[2:19:57] figure out what salary is because the
previous position was taking money from
[2:20:02] different funds through different ways
to pay one person. There was no set
[2:20:08] salary. So the year before they broke
down the jobs, the clerk and treasurer
[2:20:11] was 68,000.
[2:20:22] » Are those the the positions that you're
interested in?
[2:20:29] » Yes.
>> The 25 percentile 61,
[2:20:33] the 75th percentile is 84. So
we are a discussion about it. Are you
[2:20:41] down with that?
>> Yes sir.
[2:20:43] » Okay. No one's table this have a
discussion about it.
[2:20:48] » Okay.
So let's have a vote on motion please.
[2:20:53] » Trusty Goth.
>> What am I voting on here?
[2:20:58] Yes.
>> Trusty Price.
[2:21:01] » Yes. Trusty Stalling.
>> Yes.
[2:21:04] » Trusty Winkleblack.
>> Yes.
[2:21:06] Mayor Wilcox.
>> Yes.
[2:21:07] » Motion passes.
[2:21:20] » Number 13, Trusty W Black's requested
agenda items presented by Trusty Wingle
[2:21:26] Black. Discussion on where we are in
hiring full-time, part-time
[2:21:31] administrator.
Uh discussion on the town's procedures
[2:21:36] and hiring of
employees
[2:21:41] electronic mail from Derek Hamilton to
Mayor and trustees July 17th 2025.
[2:21:51] Okay.
A I think we've already discussed okay
[2:21:57] the discussion where we are with hiring
the full-time or part-time you know I
[2:22:02] mean in the past they've had a two-day
person come in and do the administrative
[2:22:06] requirements or we've had a full-time
where we combine those u I I think it
[2:22:11] all depends upon you know um what we
think we can afford and what we need. I
[2:22:17] I think that bringing Bruce on and and
he can vet people. He has the
[2:22:21] experience, but like I stated earlier
when he said that, you know, that uh
[2:22:26] many essentials need to be brought up to
date. I think that that person should be
[2:22:31] hired and work with Bruce and bring
those essentials up to date, whatever
[2:22:35] those essentials are. I would I've asked
him before and I didn't really get a
[2:22:39] response in terms of specifically what
those essentials are, but I think we
[2:22:44] still need to advertise for the position
and and bring somebody on. We still have
[2:22:50] Bruce. his contract goes through no
November as I understand it and so that
[2:22:54] we can get somebody to work with the
town clerk with Dusty and and move on
[2:23:00] because the amount of money we've thrown
out
[2:23:03] » $900 a day $90 an hour $125 an hour.
>> It's ridiculous. And we can't I can't
[2:23:12] even imagine what the what what has
happened to the budget. So, you know, I
[2:23:16] mean, we need you can't hire somebody
until you advertise. Advertise the
[2:23:21] person. Bring it on. We could put it
out. Not only, you know, there are
[2:23:25] agencies that we get, the Colorado
Municipalities League and various other
[2:23:29] agencies. There's three agencies I know
that we could advertise with them and we
[2:23:34] can uh you put it in, you know, I I say
Daily Sand for whatever that's worth.
[2:23:41] But I think that we need to advertise.
We need to start interviewing and
[2:23:45] vetting people and getting them hired so
that we have, you know, when you mention
[2:23:50] the number of staff that we have really.
I mean, we having this widely now as
[2:23:55] administrative assistant, but we only
really have one person to take care of
[2:23:58] all of the other business that we have.
I know that we um which takes me on to
[2:24:04] kind of the next one that uh in June
the mayor approved bringing um
[2:24:12] Melanie out Melanie Park. Okay. So, that
was in my opinion contractual. It's not
[2:24:17] a full-time position. It's a part-time
position or it's under contract. I've
[2:24:21] never seen it. Has anybody else seen the
the terms of the agreement for Miss
[2:24:26] Clark to be working for us?
>> Has anybody seen that?
[2:24:29] I have not.
>> I haven't seen it.
[2:24:31] » There is no written contract.
>> Have you asked Dusty how she's doing?
[2:24:37] » Pardon me.
>> Have you asked Dusty how Melanie's
[2:24:40] doing?
>> No.
[2:24:41] » Melanie is on the Zoom.
>> No, what I'm saying is I'm not all I'm
[2:24:46] saying is the fact that we brought her
on for whatever reason, whatever the
[2:24:50] contractual is, but I mean, we need to
fill these positions. We've been in
[2:24:54] limbo for a long time. We need to have a
town manager, administrator, one and the
[2:24:59] same. We need to have the town clerk
need to get that solidified, you know,
[2:25:03] so then why don't we advertise it
because, you know, we brought Miss Clark
[2:25:07] on. I'm sure she's helpful and
everything else like that, but you know,
[2:25:10] the whole thing about it is and Jessica,
I've heard it from you many times and
[2:25:13] then the people who did the the u
the
[2:25:19] what we call at any rate, it was
transparency. Transparency.
[2:25:24] Transparency. That's all I heard was
transparency. Where's the transparency?
[2:25:28] You know, all we bring this clark on.
Where's the transparency in that? I
[2:25:32] didn't even know until I got the message
from, you know, from from Bruce that the
[2:25:37] mayor approved it. We bring it on a
contractual basis for 2750 an hour.
[2:25:42] Okay. And then I asked her, I see Miss
White working. How was that? How'd that
[2:25:46] be? Well, we put it on the the town's
website and she applied and she got a
[2:25:52] job. So, you know what? If you look at
the the Coburn Job Court, you look at
[2:25:56] the school, you look at businesses
locally, where do they advertise
[2:26:01] vacancies, Plateau Valley Community
Connections? Because there are far more
[2:26:06] people that are going to read that than
the town. So, it just seemed to me that
[2:26:10] if we're going to advertise for
positions that we should put it out
[2:26:13] there where people can actually see that
we have some vacancies as does the
[2:26:18] school, as does the job core, as does
some of the other businesses rather than
[2:26:22] just putting it because that seemed to
me pretty selective.
[2:26:25] » Were these positions not put posted in
our normal posting places?
[2:26:29] » I was told to post it on the website
>> by Bruce Smith and that's where I posted
[2:26:34] on the website.
There's got to be what? Three places
[2:26:37] that they're actually supposed to be
posted also.
[2:26:41] » So
>> that's for public
[2:26:42] » that's for public notices and agendas
for meetings.
[2:26:46] » But I agree they could have advertised a
lot better. I completely agree.
[2:26:50] » I mean when Dusty when we were looking
for a manager, we had some good they
[2:26:55] weren't qualified and so we didn't hire
them, but they had other qualifications
[2:27:00] that would have been worthy of
consideration.
[2:27:04] But there's only, you know, unless you
follow the town website, you didn't even
[2:27:08] know that that position was open or
advertised.
[2:27:11] » I agree.
[2:27:14] » We use Indeed and some other media.
>> Yeah. So, you know, that that's why I
[2:27:20] have these items on on the agenda. We we
buddy and we need to be transparent and
[2:27:28] if we have vacancies then we should
advertise those and and see what kind of
[2:27:32] talent we can bring in and fill those
positions. But I believe unless we get
[2:27:37] the word out we're not going to have
that.
[2:27:41] » Mr. Mayor
is doing
[2:27:46] » Yeah. This is this is me this is Melanie
Clark if I may speak.
[2:27:51] » Yes.
Um,
[2:27:54] so, uh, Mr. Winkle Black, it was it was
brought up in two different meetings
[2:27:59] when you guys
offered or when I offered to come and
[2:28:04] help out and and
I offered to help and you voted on it
[2:28:10] and agreed to it.
>> Correct.
[2:28:16] » So, I don't know what's any more
transparent than that.
[2:28:21] Now, what I'm talking about, Melanie, is
yeah, you you volunteer. You know, I'm
[2:28:25] not criticizing. I'm saying you
volunteered. Okay? So, you came in and
[2:28:28] you were volunteering. Kudos to you. I
appreciate that. But what I'm saying
[2:28:32] then the turn of events turned around
now. We're going to hire her in a
[2:28:35] contractual basis. And then they gave
the hourly rate. So, what I'm saying is
[2:28:39] if you're going to hire somebody on a
contractual basis, why is it not put out
[2:28:44] to the public about this opening, about
this need? You know, I'm sure you're
[2:28:50] doing a great job and everything, but
when I'm talking about that's the lack
[2:28:52] of transparency. I, as a board member,
didn't even see that coming. And I don't
[2:28:57] even have any idea what the contractual
basis is. Where's the transparency
[2:29:01] there?
>> It was it was Mr. Smith that actually
[2:29:05] brought it to the board and it was voted
on once again in another meeting.
[2:29:11] » I don't remember.
>> Well, we didn't vote. It was just in his
[2:29:15] updates, Melanie.
But we didn't vote on it. But um but
[2:29:21] » well then that's that's I would have to
say then that's the board's fault for
[2:29:25] not doing so.
>> It it was not done. It was pulled after
[2:29:32] » after it was already done.
>> Well, if the board had a problem with
[2:29:36] it, they could have brought it up at
that meeting when we got the update and
[2:29:39] said, "We need to vote on this."
And I didn't think anybody had a problem
[2:29:45] with it because nobody even discussed
it.
[2:29:48] » I agree
>> at that meeting.
[2:29:50] » I agree.
>> It's not a matter of having a problem.
[2:29:54] It's a matter of making everybody else,
not just us, but the public aware of we
[2:30:01] want somebody to fill this position.
Just like when we talk about, you know,
[2:30:04] about our our finances. How are we going
to hire somebody, you know, are we going
[2:30:09] to advertise for them? Are we going to
put it on to Bruce? Bruce didn't seem to
[2:30:13] be jumping on that, but we need an
account to take care of our budget.
[2:30:17] » Do you understand? We have a CPA working
for us now and that that
[2:30:21] » Why did you ask Bruce about the budget?
[2:30:26] » Why did you ask?
>> It's the town administrator's position
[2:30:29] to prepare the budget and he's working
as the
[2:30:31] » He's not No, he's not. He's not. He's
working He's not working as the town
[2:30:35] administrator. That wasn't the
agreement. He was working as a
[2:30:38] consultant.
>> Wants to work as a consultant.
[2:30:40] contracted consultant because it doesn't
want the title.
[2:30:44] » Not the Well, I don't care if he wants
the title or not. The title is
[2:30:47] consultant, not town administrator. He
does not have that he doesn't have the
[2:30:51] latitude to make those decisions.
>> What do you think we're paying him to
[2:30:56] do?
>> A consultant.
[2:30:59] » A to consult us on what? Town
administrator affairs.
[2:31:02] » Yes.
>> You know, more or less that's what a
[2:31:04] town administrator does is consult the
board. It's at the will.
[2:31:08] » I don't need to be schooled on that.
What I'm saying is he does not have that
[2:31:11] official position and he does not have
the latitude. He has not the legal
[2:31:15] responsibility to make those decisions
until you hire somebody and that's their
[2:31:20] title. That's the person that's able to
do it.
[2:31:27] This is prov.
[2:31:32] » Let's for our next lecture.
>> You need one.
[2:31:37] » Thank you. You're welcome.
>> Please don't throw an eraser.
[2:31:40] » So,
the last one, electronic mail from Derek
[2:31:45] Hamilton. The reason I talked to Dusty
about that, I simply asked her to put it
[2:31:49] on as we had on the agenda, previous
agendas we had for public
[2:31:54] correspondence. His was a public
correspondence. I think it should have
[2:31:58] been on the agenda and that's why I
asked her to put it on this month's
[2:32:02] agenda.
>> Thank you.
[2:32:08] » And I'll be done.
>> Thank you.
[2:32:12] » You're welcome.
staff updates.
[2:32:19] » As you'll see in your packet, there is
the update for July from the sheriff's
[2:32:23] department. Also, the certificate of
occupancy for the auditorium.
[2:32:28] Um, Alyssa White has gotten her notary.
Um, and we now have a notary in the
[2:32:33] building. He has been working very
closely with Laram Energy to set up the
[2:32:38] town cleanup, which is currently set for
October 17. flyers, postcards will be
[2:32:44] sent out. Um, we're working on that. Um,
as an FYI, the barreled bill at the bulk
[2:32:51] water is out of order. Art has been
ordered and once it arrives, it will be
[2:32:55] fixed. Um, as of right now, we have
three events booked into the auditorium.
[2:33:02] Um,
[2:33:05] so that's good. And something just maybe
to be thinking about in the back of your
[2:33:11] mind is possibly holding an open house
for the auditorium.
[2:33:16] Um inviting the public to come out for
light refreshments. Nothing major um but
[2:33:21] to check out the building, have the
mayor and the trustees there um
[2:33:28] at your options. So something that you
all will be thinking about and maybe at
[2:33:32] the next meeting um discuss that. And
that is all I have. All
[2:33:37] right.
[2:33:44] » Can we please revisit an updated fee
schedule that can be approved by the
[2:33:49] board?
And can we please
[2:33:56] um review the right now the rental price
and contracts for every facility?
[2:34:06] So, it's $250
a day for the auditorium. Is that
[2:34:11] correct?
>> Without alcohol? Yes.
[2:34:15] » Without alcohol?
>> With alcohol, it's 400.
[2:34:18] » Okay.
[2:34:24] Are there any fees when somebody
serves a part, you know, like Carol Park
[2:34:31] or Danny Park for a factory
$50?
[2:34:39] » Okay.
What? We just need to review all the and
[2:34:45] discuss
maybe doing a comprehensive
[2:34:50] analysis, maybe with other
other um buildings the same size and
[2:34:59] whatnot. I know in Grand Junction it
costs like um $1,500 to bring a building
[2:35:03] that size. And
I'm not saying you need a comparable
[2:35:09] that much, but we need to be a little
more.
[2:35:16] » You're saying it needs to be more than
$250?
[2:35:20] » Possibly. We need to discuss it.
>> And is there a damage deposit on it? Any
[2:35:24] of it?
[2:35:29] » Yes.
like new. So
[2:35:37] somebody will have to walk it every time
somebody's had a shooting game.
[2:35:47] » So as as of right now, you speak with
the attorney
[2:35:54] or whatever in the morning to see how
quick we can be especially Yeah.
[2:36:03] get a hold of and I will get a hold of
the attorney to see if their schedules
[2:36:07] work and I will advise each and every
one of you via text message.
[2:36:11] » Okay.
All right.
[2:36:16] Uh number 15 is I got to do the return.