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Good evening, everyone. It is welcome back to, and we're welcome ourselves back. Welcome you to the October 26, 2023 meeting of the

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a session, we are now returning to our regular session.

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And that brings us to the pledge and the invocation and the invocation given by Reverend

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Ben Haley from the College Station Police Department as a chaplain.

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So if you'll stand and join me for the pledge of allegiance and the invocation.

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Please pray with me

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Father we give you thanks for your care and love for us and I thank you for all of our city officials and

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And citizens gather here tonight, what I pray tonight that as the mayor and the city council

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deliberate and playing in for college station, that you would give them great wisdom as they

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look to contribute to the flourishing of our city and its citizens.

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Thank you for all of our government employees, law enforcement, firing, emergency responders,

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teachers, parks and rack and all support services.

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Would you bless the work of their hands that they might be a blessing to our city?

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And it's in your name we pray.

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Thank you, Reverend Haley.

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We have many visitors here and many people signed up to speak, so you will please bear with

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us and try to follow our protocol as best you can.

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Well, I will try to maintain the order that's given to me.

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You'll have a timer that is in front of you at the podium.

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Our IT folks will turn off the microphone at the end of three minutes,

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so you will not be able to speak beyond the three-minute limit.

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There are several groups that have combined their time,

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which is part of our protocol.

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that allows you to, for five people getting together can speak, one person can speak for ten minutes, so we're going to have some of that tonight as well.

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And I ask you to be thoughtful and please stay on the topic and focus in if the person's in front of you have already pretty much made the point you want to make, you can simply endorse those and save, save time for the next speakers.

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So, we start with, before we get to that, we've got a couple of proclamations,

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I'm going

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to come down front and the first proclamation, I would like to welcome Ryland Lewis and

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her family for the reading of the first proclamation, which is recognizing October 23 as

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Artelio Venus, Male Formation Awareness Month.

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This is in family.

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Welcome.

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This is a Proclamation of behalf of the City of Calistation,

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whereas an arterial, helping arterio Venus,

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arterio Venus, Male Formation, or AVM,

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is a complex, tangle of arteries and veins

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that bypasses normal brain tissue

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and directly diverts blood from the arteries

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to the veins, potentially resulting in devastating

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ruptures, seizures, or death, and whereas, and estimated 18 out of each 100,000 people

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in the United States have an AVM in the brain, and whereas, after an AVM rupture, there

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is a 10 to 15 percent risk of death, and a 20 to 30 percent chance of permanent brain damage

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after each bleed, and whereas, approximately 10 to 58 percent of AVM patients have various

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kinds of aneurysms, a weaker and a blood vessel that enlarges like a balloon, and is at risk

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for bleeding or rupture resulting in possible brain damage or long-term disability, and

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whereas 50% of AVM patients present as sudden hemorrhage bleeding in the brain or a form

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of stroke and whereas access to accurate information expertise and community to support survivors,

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caregivers, families and friends, and making educated decisions about treatment and coping,

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can make a critical difference in minimizing risks in increasing the quality of life for

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those affected.

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Now, therefore, I, John P. Nichols, by virtue of the capacity to meet Mayor of the City

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Calitation Texas, due hereby proclaim October 23, 23, as AVM awareness month, we encourage

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citizens to raise awareness of aneurysms and AVM's and support efforts to increase public

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awareness.

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So individuals can recognize symptoms and understand available resources and options for

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those with these brain conditions in testimony where I'll have here and to set my hand

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cause to be a fix the seal of the City of College Station Texas this 26th day of October

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2023 John P. Nichols Mayor. And I would also say we have, we have with this from the state

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of Texas the governor also his acknowledgement of October 2023 as AVM awareness month. So we

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will present this to you and we're going to get a photograph here as soon as we have our photographer.

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and I'm going to let you hold some of this and keep there we go. There we go.

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We've got to be on to the seal.

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Thank you.

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Judge Palaine and Judge Palaine and staff from the municipal court.

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We're going to recognize municipal court week. Excellent staff.

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Wow, look at all these folks, they do a great job at municipal court and we really appreciate the opportunity to recognize

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one of them spread out on both sides folks and then when the photo op comes, they're going to have to squeeze in.

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Proclamation, whereas municipal court of college station, a time honored and vital part of local government,

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has existed since January 8, 1952, and whereas more people, citizens and non-citizens alike,

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coming personal contact with municipal court than all other Texas courts combined, and

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whereas public impression of the entire Texas judicial system is largely dependent upon the public's

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experience in municipal court, and whereas municipal judges and court support personnel have pledged

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to be ever mindful of their neutrality and impartiality,

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rendering equal service to all and conformed

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to the standard set by the cannons of judicial conduct,

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and whereas the municipal court plays a significant role

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in preserving the quality of life and taxes communities

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through the adjudication of traffic offenses

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ensuring a high level of traffic safety for our citizens

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and whereas the municipal court serve as a local justice center

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for the enforcement of local ordinances and fine-only state offenses that protect the

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peace and dignity of our community and our state.

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And whereas the Missile judges and clerks continually strive to improve the administration

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of justice through participation and judicial education programs, seminars, workshops, and

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the annual meetings of their state and local professional organizations and whereas it is most

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appropriate that we recognize the accomplishments of the 878 Texas Municipal Courts and salute

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their critical role in preserving public safety protecting quality of life in Texas communities

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and deterring future criminal behavior. Now, therefore, I, John P. Nichols, by virtue of this already

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vested in me is Mayor of the City of College Station, Texas. Do hereby proclaim November 6th through

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We have the 2020-3 as Municipal Court week and further extend our appreciation to

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Calitation Municipal Judge Spalaine and Court Support Personnel for the vital services

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they perform and the exemplary dedication to our community and call upon all residents

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of Calitation to join with the City Council in recognizing this vital service they perform

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and their exemplary dedication to the communities they represent in testimony where

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I have here on to set my hand and cause to be affixed.

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The seal is City of Calitation, Texas.

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This 26th day of October, 23, 2020, 3 John P. Nichols, Mayor, Judge, congratulations.

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May we make two rows

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a few from the side.

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maybe, if you guys want to step forward to,

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we're going to move it.

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couple more, maybe.

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Yep.

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All right, he's three, two, one.

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I think I've given most of my speaker protocol,

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speech, a minute or two ago.

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So I won't go through that again.

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I will move on to the next part of our agenda,

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which is item six here visitors. As I said we've got two groups and one individual, a couple

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of individuals for here visitors keep in mind this is opportunity for citizens to speak

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to the council on any item that's not on the agenda and it allows you an opportunity to share

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ideas with this but we cannot respond since it's not posted and will simply listen and take

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comments under advisement. So I will take these in the order as they were given to me.

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Starting with Sheneika Foley, Sheneika here, please come forward and identify herself.

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The poll of microphone down right in front of you, so we can there you go. Thank you.

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Hello, Council. My name is Sheneika Foley. I am a Brian Colestation Habitat for Humanity,

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home buyer, future homeowner. I have been waiting two years to buy a home in

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colonization. Habitat has no developed lots in colonization currently, but I am

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forgoing options in Brian, because I want to live in colonization like I have

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been for 14 years. I have worked for colonization ISD for 11 years. I am the

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attendance card get an elementary school. I also have two children that attend school in

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college, as well. I wanted to introduce myself to the council so you can put a face on the

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project that you have heard about before. The riot place. Have it's had for humanity project

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in a partnership with the C

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Brian Colisation, Habitat, purchase land near Colisation High School, and is working to develop it. I am beyond excited about the location, because it will mean my daughter could walk across the street to the high school that she will be attending next year, but I need to start building so she can have this opportunity.

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The city's continuous support of this project moves a lot to me with hopes to invite you all to my wall raising of my new home in the near future.

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And closing, I want you all to remember, when you walk into your children's school, I and my workplace.

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When you drop your children, grandchildren, nieces and nephews off its school, I and my workplace.

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When you think of a mother wanting better for her children, I and Wyatt Place.

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When you have a house that you can call your home, I and Wyatt Place.

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When you meet a neighbor, you can call your friend, I and Wyatt Place.

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I want you to remember this face because I and Wyatt Place.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Next is a group like Kimberly Top forward to speak and behalf and I'm going to ask the rest of the group to stand.

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Jeffrey Heiken, Megan Fitzgerald, Travis Ward, Mike record, scene of the VZ and Jared Mike.

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Those are all your friends there.

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Oh, we have even more.

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That's the ones you had listed.

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That's right.

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The floor is yours for three minutes.

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All right, I'm sure I've got this button. Here we go, woo, we're awake. That was a good one though. Okay, you don't have to dig very deep to know where they're getting kids outside and active is good for them and good for our community.

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NPR posted this story on the 18th just for us. I'm pretty sure by writing in middle school may boost mental health study finds.

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I can tell you it does boost mental health, we've seen tremendous shifts in entire families.

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We are here on behalf of the College Station, middle school and high school mountain

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by team and on behalf of our entire cycling community who is craving a more interconnected

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city with safer spaces to ride. So what kind of mountain biking? What is a mountain by team?

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Our students race on cross-country trails that aren't too different from hiking trails.

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Our middle schoolers race about five miles, our high schoolers race about 10 to 20 miles.

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Our race weekend is our big deal.

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On Saturdays, our families and coaches come out and we pre-ride the courses together.

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Then we have campfires and we wake up on Sunday and race our bikes.

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You have to experience it to know.

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Our team has been active since 2011.

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This is my 13th year as a coach, same with my record back there, same with John Flynn,

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who's coming in town, probably known,

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but we've always struggled to grow in our community.

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Other cities and towns in Texas, they've grown their teams to 80 or 90 students.

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And I think I know why.

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All weekday practices were limited to where we can practice.

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There's not enough space to gain adequate fitness.

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Lit Creek path is beautiful.

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It's used by many walkers and runners, though, and dogs off leash.

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So we earned our students to be generous, right, slower,

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be respectful of the shared trails.

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What else? We've tried Gabbard Park, and it's been great.

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Until the cops came and kicked us off on practice.

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That was, that was less great.

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Our other struggle is daylight.

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So historically we've held practice at 430 to get some sunshine.

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This is our challenge for volunteer coaches and students who need to have transportation to get there.

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We're here today for a fairly straight forward request.

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We're looking for improved city and school parks with space that can have a dirt path or track for a team

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and our community to utilize.

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So, we've done a little searching,

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and we're throwing some crazy ideas out there

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and hopes to have more conversations in the future.

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One, how about what's been Creek?

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Would it be possible to add dirt trails

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that could run some up parallel to the paved path?

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We've seen examples of this in places like McKinney, Texas.

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They do it.

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Lake Travis has trails that do this.

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Bent in the Arkansas has become the mountain bike Mecca

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they're doing this all over. We've checked it out and it's even lit well enough at night

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that we can keep an eye on our students for practice. Another option?

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Heropperia elementary school. Can we build a bike park then? Maybe instead of a parking lot?

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It would entice students to want to ride their bikes to school. Go ride around on the park for a

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little bit before starting. That would reduce the traffic. Where parents are dropping their students off.

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We don't need that parking lot if we do that we're how about that Southeast community park

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No good for building a ballpark, but we sure could build some bike trails and don't get angry at them to the next slide hang on hang with me

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I drew some scribbles, but imagine this imagine a space

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where we can connect Greek green belt, the Upland Force, making an even more desirable trail

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system that can be safely accessed by bicycle from anywhere in South College Station.

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That's right. Our students and coaches could finally ride their bikes to bike practice.

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How awesome would that be? Trail runners would rejoice, every living in South College station

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showing up to milk and reserve for time trials, 80 to 100 people. They could now run to their time trials

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and go run on the trails off of our roads, off of our sidewalks. This is bigger than just our

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bike team. Benville Arkansas, as I mentioned before, has become a Mecca for mountain biking

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And the results are huge. In 2022, they shared a $159 million economic impact.

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They created over 700 jobs from their cycling businesses in town.

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They've poured money into building trails.

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I think the most interesting fact that they discovered, though, when University of Arkansas did this research,

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59 million dollars in avoided health care costs. They took the study estimated that people

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cycling five or more days a week have the highest likelihood of avoiding chronic diseases.

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This increased infrastructure led to increased cycling leading to these cost benefits.

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So, all your next question, okay, okay. Kim, you're crazy. Who's going to pay for this?

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There are trail-building grants coming out of the woodwork between the Inba Trail Accelerator Grants

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to Outride, which is a company that does research on the benefits of cycling.

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Even the CDC has grant proposals right now. How can we reduce obesity and communities?

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We will give you money to do this. Okay, we'll take it. Let's build with it.

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Even our mountain bike team, a component of it,

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is what we call Teen Trail Corps,

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where we're developing our students as leaders

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and teaching them to give back.

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They're writing on these trails that are built.

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They're expected to put in time

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to help take care of these trails.

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They're expected to show up here and work with City Council

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to be asking for a better infrastructure,

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a better space for themselves.

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We are here with a lot of supporters.

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And I haven't even talked to that trail running community yet.

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So I will keep this short and say that we are looking forward to many more conversations

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with you and please keep us in mind as we're looking at our parks in our infrastructure

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throughout the city because we're here for it and we want more people outside.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Ms. Top.

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have another group, the speaker will be Neo-Jang, and with him are Charles Coates, Michelle

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Pinkrock, Ben Mike, Tomohir and Tyler Barnes, I guess, are that group there.

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You have all your group here, thank you, thank you, okay, Mr. Jang, come forward, please.

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Mr. Mayor and members of the council I would like to fully endorse the statements that

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were just made by Kim and all its entirety and for that I would like to give you back

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your nine minutes. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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I noted in your written comments that you're

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supporting that presentation. Thank you. We appreciate all of that. I have one more speaker

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I'm this Mary Lynney.

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I'm Mary Lynney.

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I live at 729 Shady Lane and Brian.

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And I bet you'll never guess what I'm here to talk about.

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The Northeast trunk line.

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I'm here asking again when will the promised reports be available such as the Tree Survey

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in the Geotechnical Report?

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We would like to see those.

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We've heard since the last council meeting that there are negotiations going on.

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But the city of Brian and the city of College Station have items of mutual benefit

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benefit. Hopefully the negotiations will be a win-win for both cities. We're hoping Rosemary

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is not a pawn in those negotiations. Again, we've talked to many of your constituents

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and no one agrees with this trunk line going down Rosemary. Postponing this decision will

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not make the issue where our watchfulness dissipate. We will be alert for as long as it takes and

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Hopefully that won't be for very long. Thank you.

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Thank you, Miss Lenin.

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That's the completion of our here visitor's presentation.

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We move to the consent agenda and no one is signed up to speak on the consent agenda.

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So we have item 7.1 through 7.5 this evening.

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My council friends, anyone wish to hear anything about any of those?

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Okay, the chair will entertain a motion for approval of 7.1 through 7.5, move to approved

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Mayor Nichols.

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The motion.

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Health second.

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And a second from Mr. Smith, all of the favors thing if I say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Motion carries unanimously.

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We have approved the consent agenda.

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We work move forward now to the workshop agenda.

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And I do have quite a few people that are going to speak on that, but the presentation and

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Council engagement with the presenters will come first.

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And then I will ask for those that wish to speak to come forward at that point.

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So item 8.1 is presentation discussion, possible action on an update on the Texas A&M off-campus student services.

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Office Ms. Barbara Moore is going to introduce this presentation.

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And before that, I'm going to introduce Barbara Moore, not that I probably need to to most people, but I want to make a clear distinction.

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So, Anne M is going to get up and talk about a lot of things they've done.

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And obviously there's been a lot going on this year in years past and the University and its relationship to the community

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in the Community Relationship of the University are very important.

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And after a lot of discussions and strategic thought, I know Council is aware of it, but

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I want to make the public aware that Barbara Moore is presenting for the first time in her

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new role as the university and community relations manager, part of her job will definitely

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be to continue the work she does with neighborhoods and the community but also to work with

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the newly formed off campus housing office with A&M and continue all the good work

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she's done. So just want to give everybody the opportunity. If you go to the University or live in the community,

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Barbara is the person you should call with all of your questions.

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Well, you have a big job, Barbara, please.

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Thank you, Mayor and Council of Barbara Moore, University and Community Relations Manager and to

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get that much out first. And we are going to have Dr. Stephanie Baker, the Director of Student

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for Texanium to come and speak and discuss the operations of the reestablished off-campus

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student service office and some of the work that they're doing and the work that they'll be doing

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time to come.

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Thank you for being here. We really appreciate having you share with us the ideas you're

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going to be presenting tonight. Yeah, thank you for having me Mr. Merrick Council.

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General Mary's is on his way. Got caught up with something on campus but I know he'll

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pop in and want to speak as well on our behalf but I want to start with

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thinking all of you for the opportunity to present sort of where we're at with the

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university's efforts to reinvigorate our off-campus student services for our students

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and talk a little bit about kind of where we're at and where the institution is at from there.

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I thought I'd do a brief quick overview of sort of where the institution's sitting at for a fall

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and talk to you

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2020-23. We have an enrollment as of the 12th class day of 78,9D students. That does include our Galveston and

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Qatar branch campuses as well as our satellite campuses, including McCallin, the law school dental. So that's

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not all here in the BCS area. We have about 68,988 to be precise. Students living here in the

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all 25 of our on campus residence halls are 12 core halls and are two apartment complexes.

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So give us about roughly 56,000 students living in Rintro property in the BCS area.

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And then just as you all know, growing regularly and seen as the, we were ranked this year as

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the best priced higher education in the state of Texas for the quality of the degree.

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Okay, so I think most all of you are familiar with sort of where we're, how we got here in regards to the no more than for code enforcement efforts that the city went into to help mitigate some major congestion problems and housing issues that were happening in a number of our neighborhoods within the area, particularly close to the university property.

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And so, under the guise of our Vice President for Student Affairs, we were asked to initiate a campaign for education to our students.

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That started in February of 2023 with branding of the Remember Me Plus 3 campaign.

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We hosted a webinar for our part of the population of our undergraduate students.

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It's not just their education, but also their parents and family members.

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So, we launched our campaign with a webinar for our parents and family members talking about the idea of off-campus living,

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a lease law contracts, a dinda, and then understanding that their additional city codes and laws that our students need to abide by when living in the community.

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Hit a huge educational campaign across campus and worked with Barbara and some other staff to make sure that that was consistent across city efforts in the institutional efforts around

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campus signage, mailers, flyers, book mail, and a press release. And that got us sort of

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prepped up for what I know of General Maris spoke to you all about in the spring, which was,

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we know that our students are signing leases August September and October for the next year. So we

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knew hitting in February we were already behind the curve for this coming academic year as our

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students were already initiated in signed leases. So we were kind of trying to figure out what to do.

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So we move through into the summer, worked on hearing from some of the city individuals who spoke

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to you all, talking about helping our students remember to live our Aggie Corps values of integrity

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and respect, worked on redesigning that remember me plus three campaign. We also did a lot of effort

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on our incoming freshmen and transfer classes. There's about just under 16,000 new students in the undergraduate

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at level either through transfer or new freshmen and not all of them live on campus so we know

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they go off so we did a significant effort in our online orientation content which is required

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for all incoming students. We had information on this playing throughout every new student conference

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which we run 28 throughout the summer. We enhanced our educational information on the website and

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worked with city staff to make sure we were congruent with information provided by the city and

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to communicate with all on campus students who would be moving off into the community starting in the fall of 2023

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about living off campus expectations.

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So this fall we have lived with integrity is our campaign.

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It started in September. We've done a number of reachouts to our students in regards to before you sign

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know. And we have done two webinars for our family members in a several newsletter and email

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out components asking parents not to work with their students to delay lease signing until

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we understand where the hit city is headed with their mental housing and all the other structural

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changes that may change what properties leases could look like in regards to that continue to

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push out the importance of you have to know that it's no more than for an understanding that

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those tenant policies that we were discovering, popping up all over the community and being promoted

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to our students.

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So a number of pieces we had the opportunity to, two weeks ago, I think we walked with

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city staff and also some other university staff throughout the South Gate, neighborhood, and

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the historic district and did door hangers and bags and outreach to both permanent residents

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and our student transient residents regarding the efforts being made to help fellow some

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concerns with parking, trash, noise, and they just overflowed humans in dense spaces.

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Additionally, I think I skipped a slide.

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Yeah, additionally, the university made a significant investment by choosing to restath up an

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office that had moved to only online information five years ago. Invested just under $500,000 in

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staffing to create this office again, the directive was to have it staffed and operational

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by September 1st.

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I'm pleased to say that we have four of the five full-time positions staffed and we're

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staffed by August the 16th, and I want to introduce, I think, there are three of them

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are here.

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So Jacqueline Epsha Brown, that's our assistant director for off-campus student services,

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they're saying stand up.

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And so she's the gal to go to, and then Nicky McDaniels is our community liaison position, so she's working really closely with Barbara actually in another number of other areas both in college station, and we're not forgetting we have students and Brian, so also with our Brian.

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partners, and then also with us today's Austin Kibler, and Austin is our neighborhood specialist.

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In this position, design to go out into both apartment complexes, communities, and then in local

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neighborhood communities and help create communication, advocacy, connectiveness, and we're also

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addressing based on some data that Judge Spelling presented at a big neighborhood meeting last spring

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and then was out in the media this fall in regards to the

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inviting, either public intoxication or minor in possession of our

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since we're seeing a significant increase in AoD consumption with our

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students and so doing some party smart safe skills and

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think before you drink campaigns that you'll see coming out here

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the latter part of this semester.

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And our last step, remember, who isn't with us tonight is

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She is our off-campus housing specialist and her role will be searching, lease law, contract

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negotiation.

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She's been doing a lot of contract review right now and we're going to be offering a lease

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seminar for our students so that they can help understand what they're signing before

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they sign in.

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They take it home to their family members to get guarantor forms and other items signed.

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Other initiatives that we're kind of having the work that we wanted to make sure you

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where we're aware of is we work continue to work with Debbie Eller on the Gickham List initiative

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and what that will look like in regards to rental registration, voluntary inspection

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and then occupancy overlays that may exist or how zoning will change what those occupancy

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rate looks like. Staff are training. We've gotten everybody Texas Department Association

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and we certified for housing certified and all our now Texas 48 out 40 hour state mediation

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trying to do roommate mediation and landlord tenant dispute mediation.

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We're engaging in three neighborhoods we've been working with the city to identify that

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our opportunities for us to talk through good neighbor behavior through parties, trash, parking

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and noise as well as some education on our campus about if you leave our campus out of

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direction 18 inches or closer to the curb, some of those other just good human behavior

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habits. We're doing our smart leasing workshops I talked about and then our August September,

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not October, has been a number of consultation in regards to either poorly executed

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leases, failed maintenance needs, or other disputes between landlords and tenants here

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and the community that are impacting our students' ability to engage in the academic pursuit

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So we've been working through a lot of individual consultation, and then we continue to just work through hearing.

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We've met with CSAT CSAN and the historic district representatives, a couple of times now,

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having engaged in some other community areas that would like to

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bend our ear and talk to us a little bit about maybe ways we can better partner with our residents,

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our permanent residents and our students and our city services or our non-profit services here in town.

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And then that is what I have, and I don't know if the general snuck in or not.

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The general, the general here.

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Howdy.

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Howdy young.

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There are nickels, members of the City Council.

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It's my honor to be here with you tonight.

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There's not much more I can say than what Stephanie just told you.

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I promised you last spring that we would make a concert effort to educate our students

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and prepare them for the eventuality that there would no longer be protected.

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When it came to the no more than four ordinance, and as you can see, Stephanie has made a great effort.

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She spearheaded the effort for Texas A&M and getting the word out, engaging with the community,

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working with our partner agencies both on and off campus to ensure that we educate our students on what the rules are,

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so that we can hopefully get ahead of these early lease signings that we saw last fall that we quite frankly had no way to react to

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once we heard about this issue in the spring.

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I will tell you that I'm very, very proud of the team and what they've done and more importantly

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and proud of the fact that we're striving to be good partners and good neighbors with

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the city of College Station.

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I'm a resident of College Station, very proud of that fact, and I will tell you that we've

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got a Texas A&M University, you're going to hear from some of them tonight, but they truly

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do want to be good neighbors as well.

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And I think what Stephanie just briefed you on, just to show the level of commitment, the

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to this effort, and we want to work closely with the City of

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College Station.

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I think Brian was in his team.

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We've had a lot of meetings with him and his team, and they've

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really been very, very good meetings where we've been able to talk

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about the issues and how we can work to a solution that benefits

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all.

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So my thanks all of you for the time tonight, and for all you do for

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our city.

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Thank you.

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I think if perhaps we could...

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Stephanie, you can come back and there may be, I'm sure there's some questions I have a question or two, but I'll start my far end if there's any Mr. Enzi.

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Thank you, Mayor Nichols. Thank you very much for that presentation. It was very comprehensive.

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I know the general has, but just for confirmation, it's not lost on this entirely new staff, the enormity of this challenge at the city of College Station faces, is that correct?

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you all do understand that?

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Yes, we've done some significant retreats in planning and research and have worked very closely

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since they started with all the city staff to understand where we're at the work on the

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work on the rezoning that you all started in the spring and sort of how we're going to partner

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and help educate moving forward. So very intensive, probably for six weeks on the job training.

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That's wonderful. I appreciate that 56,000 students in College Station and what kind of growth did that reflect.

435
00:42:14,070 --> 00:42:20,650
So our freshman class was just over 2,000 students.

436
00:42:21,970 --> 00:42:32,350
What we're seeing though, and where we're feeling the pinch, I think, is that as our freshman, even if we maintain the freshman class, we have graduating a smaller number of students that we're admitting.

437
00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:38,110
and so that's pushing into the community while our on-campus housing holds where it's

438
00:42:38,110 --> 00:42:38,750
at this time.

439
00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:42,530
I know that they are looking to see what that will look like moving forward, but at this

440
00:42:42,530 --> 00:42:45,690
time you can only put so many bodies and beds.

441
00:42:46,190 --> 00:42:47,750
So that all moves into the community.

442
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:55,110
We did a study through our assessment office in the spring, should 48% of our student population

443
00:42:55,110 --> 00:43:03,470
living off campus is an apartment style housing and 36 percent of that population is in houses,

444
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:10,930
condos, and dueplexes, and then we had a 6 percent sort of other which was mobile homes,

445
00:43:11,170 --> 00:43:16,910
fifth-wheel trailers, running a room in a house, type housing, and then we had less than 2 percent

446
00:43:16,910 --> 00:43:23,050
that were living home with either family members or parents. So from the local community students

447
00:43:23,050 --> 00:43:28,030
So it kind of gave us a sense of where we needed to focus our efforts and our guides to onboarding

448
00:43:28,030 --> 00:43:33,830
the staff and the initiatives we would need to start to scaffolding up while we brought on the

449
00:43:33,830 --> 00:43:38,950
remember me plus three campaign and working on lease education for our family members and our

450
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:44,970
students. I appreciate that. And the only thing I saw in its strategic one missing from your presentation

451
00:43:44,970 --> 00:43:52,410
was plan capital projects on campus relative to student housing, the University of Texas system,

452
00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:59,410
University of Tennessee, have engaged in very sizable student housing on campus projects.

453
00:44:00,070 --> 00:44:01,830
What's my alma mater's plan in general?

454
00:44:02,010 --> 00:44:06,010
Yes, sir. One of the things we're looking at right now is we're doing a study out on West

455
00:44:06,010 --> 00:44:11,370
campus to look to increase the number of housing we've got out there at White Creek.

456
00:44:11,950 --> 00:44:16,230
On that study, just came across my desk last week. It's going to go on to the president.

457
00:44:16,810 --> 00:44:21,930
As you well know, interim president walks already mentioned the fact that we've got over 50

458
00:44:21,930 --> 00:44:27,510
Capital projects on the books right now with the ability to fund probably less than 15 of those

459
00:44:28,110 --> 00:44:30,930
I mean we're gonna have to make some tough decisions about what to fund

460
00:44:30,930 --> 00:44:37,810
But one of the items that we're looking at is increased housing on campus and it's potentially going to be out on West campus

461
00:44:37,810 --> 00:44:44,050
That's where we have the most ability to grow and adding on the white creek which is already out there white creek has about 1200 beds

462
00:44:44,050 --> 00:44:50,090
We'd like to increase that to 3,600 if we could but along with that comes dining comes parking

463
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:55,190
comes bus transportation and all the other things in potentially even another student center

464
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:58,310
who might have to build to accommodate the growth of their in West Campus.

465
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:59,910
So, but it is a study.

466
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,640
We're looking at it right now. It's already out and we're looking at it right now.

467
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,560
Thank you very much, sir. Thank you, Martin.

468
00:45:05,740 --> 00:45:07,940
Thank you.

469
00:45:07,940 --> 00:45:08,440
That's great.

470
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:15,120
I just want to thank you so much for bringing back the off-campus housing office. I think the

471
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:20,780
two-fold, the students will appreciate the support and will appreciate the open lines of communication.

472
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:28,220
I know some students that I talked to you just today, in fact, were so quite surprised that the government

473
00:45:28,220 --> 00:45:33,540
cares about who they sleep with and how they're related to those people and the government monitors,

474
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:39,580
how many people that they can live with and they were really uncomfortable with that role of

475
00:45:39,580 --> 00:45:45,360
government but they can't change it until they know it. So thank you for sharing what our government

476
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:50,600
is vested in and I appreciate the awareness that that will generate and if they want to change,

477
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,140
that's what government's about. Thank you so much.

478
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,320
Thank you

479
00:46:00,650 --> 00:46:03,030
so much. Thank you so much.

480
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:10,790
field from my front door, in general knows where I live, and 95% student neighbors. I can't

481
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:19,150
tell you how much I appreciate the off-campus student housing department that has come back

482
00:46:19,150 --> 00:46:25,350
over the last what two years I think last year. Thank you so much. You're still a lot of permanent

483
00:46:25,350 --> 00:46:32,250
homeowners in that neighborhood. We get along with our with our neighbors just fine, but they are very

484
00:46:32,250 --> 00:46:35,310
and compliance with that for no more than four.

485
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:39,070
So we're very blessed in the part of Southside that we live in.

486
00:46:39,090 --> 00:46:42,850
But I just wanted to say thank you as, as actually the only college,

487
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:46,490
the only city council member who lives in that type of environment.

488
00:46:46,890 --> 00:46:50,410
I can tell the difference and I just want to say thank you.

489
00:46:50,510 --> 00:46:50,550
Thank you.

490
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:51,410
Did you hear?

491
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:53,110
Mr. Smith.

492
00:46:54,990 --> 00:47:01,090
I'd like to just kind of explore a couple of points if I could and others had raised that question

493
00:47:01,090 --> 00:47:10,450
about growth, is it correct that I've heard senior officials that A&M talk about an additional

494
00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:17,150
2000 freshman each year for the general problem, each year for the next five years,

495
00:47:17,410 --> 00:47:22,410
meaning that there'll be 10,000 new students by then.

496
00:47:22,690 --> 00:47:23,550
That's a rumor.

497
00:47:24,590 --> 00:47:29,670
It is a rumor right now, yes, sir, and the reason I'm saying that is because President

498
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:40,090
Welch is doing a capacity study in the spring and he's looking at the growth. We've seen rapid growth over the last five years as you well know we we feel it on campus

499
00:47:40,090 --> 00:47:46,810
We know we feel it off campus. He's doing a capacity study this spring to take a look at in the feasibility of growth

500
00:47:46,810 --> 00:47:52,190
How much more can we grow before we start to bust at the seams as the vice president for student affairs?

501
00:47:52,450 --> 00:47:54,530
That's a big concern of mine because

502
00:47:54,530 --> 00:48:00,370
Because I oversee most of the services we provide our students outside of the classroom.

503
00:48:01,710 --> 00:48:07,210
And we're all starting to feel that that growth is affecting our ability to provide the

504
00:48:07,210 --> 00:48:10,230
quality of service that we feel we owe these students.

505
00:48:11,250 --> 00:48:15,830
So President Washington is doing the capacity study in the spring and with that comes the

506
00:48:15,830 --> 00:48:17,030
student experience study.

507
00:48:17,530 --> 00:48:21,610
As we grow, how does that affect the student experience of Texas A and in university?

508
00:48:21,610 --> 00:48:28,270
You know, when I went to Texas A&M University, we had 20,000 students, but I left here with

509
00:48:28,270 --> 00:48:33,070
feeling great about my alma mater and feeling very, very proud of the experience that I

510
00:48:33,070 --> 00:48:33,750
had here.

511
00:48:34,050 --> 00:48:38,210
My goal, and I think everybody, everybody in the administration's goal, is that our students

512
00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:44,050
today, leave with the same feeling, despite the fact that we're over 77,000 students in Texas

513
00:48:44,050 --> 00:48:44,550
A&M.

514
00:48:45,010 --> 00:48:47,230
So that capacity study will take place in the screen.

515
00:48:47,710 --> 00:48:49,230
I can't give you a hard and fast.

516
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:50,850
It's going to be 2,000 per year.

517
00:48:50,850 --> 00:48:52,130
I don't think anybody can.

518
00:48:52,610 --> 00:48:57,430
I will tell you that we'll go expect a continue to grow in the near term, but in terms of

519
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:59,910
what those numbers are going to look like, I can't tell you.

520
00:49:00,950 --> 00:49:07,150
I'm sure classroom capacity, parking capacity, transit capacity, a lot of others besides

521
00:49:07,150 --> 00:49:08,710
student services are important.

522
00:49:08,850 --> 00:49:09,650
Oh, it is.

523
00:49:09,970 --> 00:49:15,210
And certainly what the city is looking for is to be included in that capacity because

524
00:49:15,210 --> 00:49:21,210
We are also bursting at the seams, and I'm sure students will tell you, and to tell

525
00:49:21,210 --> 00:49:28,130
us, I have told this, that they're impacted by affordable housing, the availability of

526
00:49:29,090 --> 00:49:34,450
housing, driving prices up, and I know the Board of Regents had been very diligent in

527
00:49:34,450 --> 00:49:40,590
efforts to try to manage the cost for students, bring it down, everything from books to software

528
00:49:40,590 --> 00:49:45,370
to you name it on campus housing, and that's sort of thing all of this

529
00:49:45,370 --> 00:49:48,650
pressure growth, there's nothing but drive up the cost of the housing.

530
00:49:49,050 --> 00:49:49,190
Absolutely.

531
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:49,990
That's off campus.

532
00:49:50,070 --> 00:49:55,490
I'm really happy to hear about the potential for White Creek expansion.

533
00:49:56,310 --> 00:50:02,170
Everything you mentioned that you will have to think about for providing services to those

534
00:50:02,170 --> 00:50:05,210
extra 24,000 students out there.

535
00:50:05,830 --> 00:50:10,490
We've got to think about how the market in Calor Station works, which is mostly private

536
00:50:10,490 --> 00:50:18,030
sector market, but depending on infrastructure of the city, I'm certainly not informing you of anything

537
00:50:18,030 --> 00:50:23,270
you don't already know, but I think I guess I would just share the thought that I'm really

538
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:30,730
pleased about the general's effort to do a capacity study, and I assume that since we have

539
00:50:30,730 --> 00:50:36,190
really good working relationships between our city management and the leadership in your department

540
00:50:36,190 --> 00:50:43,050
and elsewhere in campus that the city will be considered as part of that question of where

541
00:50:43,050 --> 00:50:49,970
is the capacity, not just on campus, but the capacity of your city partnership here and the

542
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:56,170
private sector to grow that fast and do it in a way that's accommodating to the students

543
00:50:56,170 --> 00:51:00,310
that are primary people that we're targeting the services too.

544
00:51:00,610 --> 00:51:05,070
I want to make it a point to bring that up to President Welch and my guess is he'll welcome that.

545
00:51:05,070 --> 00:51:10,470
Yeah, I think we would definitely want to be very much involved in that discussion because

546
00:51:11,230 --> 00:51:16,610
the capacity is certainly a question for us as well, Mr. Mornin.

547
00:51:17,090 --> 00:51:21,730
Yeah, I want to generally appreciate so much that you brought back the off campus housing.

548
00:51:21,930 --> 00:51:25,750
It's going to be a tremendous help for everyone involved.

549
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:32,110
I also wanted to point out that there are so many neighbors that I've spoken with that

550
00:51:32,110 --> 00:51:39,110
appreciate that the government is supporting their attempts to protect their quality of life.

551
00:51:39,930 --> 00:51:43,510
There's a quality of life for students and this is a quality of life for a long-term

552
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:46,590
residents, and that's what we're balancing here.

553
00:51:46,850 --> 00:51:51,090
It's not that the government's evil or imposing things on people that's saying there's

554
00:51:51,090 --> 00:51:52,150
a quality of life here.

555
00:51:52,250 --> 00:51:57,610
Fran and I lived on the historic south side for 39 years, and the quality of life changed

556
00:51:57,610 --> 00:52:02,590
from where we grew up, our children, to the point where you just couldn't, you just couldn't

557
00:52:02,590 --> 00:52:06,070
stay there because the car is coming and going, the parties, and everything going on

558
00:52:06,070 --> 00:52:06,310
there.

559
00:52:06,530 --> 00:52:12,150
So, you know, now since we see this spreading to other neighborhoods in college stations, we are

560
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:19,030
doing our best to provide areas of the community where you have the quality of life for students,

561
00:52:19,130 --> 00:52:22,670
you have quality of life for older, more established neighborhoods.

562
00:52:23,290 --> 00:52:27,070
So, and I appreciate the university coming on board helping us achieve this goal.

563
00:52:27,070 --> 00:52:32,330
We want to be part of the we want to be good neighbors with you and we want to work with you on all of these initiatives

564
00:52:32,330 --> 00:52:41,690
Right, it's not a student versus long-term rest of the quality of life. It's life style. Yes, sir. We appreciate that. Thank you, sir. Sir

565
00:52:41,690 --> 00:52:54,130
I'm seeing any of the questions or comments on this Baker Dr. Baker. Thank you. General. Thank you for being here. You we I hope we've got 15 or 20 people that are going to speak to us

566
00:52:54,130 --> 00:52:55,030
some in groups

567
00:52:55,030 --> 00:53:05,890
some individually on this topic, so I will begin that with the first group on my list.

568
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:13,630
The speaker will be Alianna Vincent and with her, they will have 10 minutes with her

569
00:53:13,630 --> 00:53:14,490
as Johnny Vincent.

570
00:53:14,530 --> 00:53:22,230
If you just stand up and stay standing, Patricia Baker, Robin Glover, Greg Gorman, okay,

571
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:26,270
we've got our team here, Liana. Welcome back.

572
00:53:27,130 --> 00:53:31,750
Thank you. Good evening, council and good evening, city manager.

573
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:37,410
My name is Liana Vincent and I own what is called the Howdy House

574
00:53:37,410 --> 00:53:42,270
I'm Pershing Avenue and I'm speaking tonight on behalf of the occupancy

575
00:53:42,270 --> 00:53:47,090
enforcement Alliance and residents. Please stand if you're here to

576
00:53:47,090 --> 00:53:48,350
employer enforcement.

577
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,340
Okay, awesome. Thank you.

578
00:53:56,940 --> 00:53:59,220
Today we're here, and we're

579
00:53:59,220 --> 00:54:04,860
asking the city and the council to take the last steps toward effective

580
00:54:04,860 --> 00:54:09,020
enforcement. If you will remember the movie Rocky.

581
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:21,200
What a Rocky stopped right in the middle of the steps. It just wouldn't have been

582
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,000
same movie right? Miss Vincent.

583
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:28,520
Did you hear me? No, I just wanted to let you know. There's another item that will be

584
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,460
talking about middle housing, so that's not the topic here.

585
00:54:31,860 --> 00:54:31,960
I know.

586
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,760
You're passing it. That's thanks.

587
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,780
I want to talk to Miss. Thank you.

588
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:36,760
Thank you.

589
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:36,880
Thank you.

590
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,440
So, back to Rocky.

591
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,440
He made it to the top.

592
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,420
And that's what we're talking about tonight.

593
00:54:46,020 --> 00:54:48,460
So, we're going to go all the way to the top with the steps.

594
00:54:48,460 --> 00:54:52,020
So we're going to finish toward effectiveness and excellence.

595
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,460
So go back, if you look at the bottom of the steps in 2020,

596
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,340
the south side study was initiated,

597
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,740
and data was collected to understand the enforcement process.

598
00:55:03,420 --> 00:55:07,660
Then in 2022, multiple times recommendations were made

599
00:55:07,660 --> 00:55:12,940
and presented 2023, the sheer awareness and support.

600
00:55:12,940 --> 00:55:20,380
many residents have been meeting and coming meeting after meeting to discuss enforcement and

601
00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:21,300
following the law.

602
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,640
Then in the college town study, we presented to get more ideas and understand other cities

603
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,040
enforcement practices.

604
00:55:28,940 --> 00:55:35,160
Since then, this group has met with each council member, the city manager, the director

605
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:40,740
of off campus housing and her staff, twice, and student leaders, as well as speaking to

606
00:55:40,740 --> 00:55:46,520
Senate, Student Senate last night, about the importance of coming up with a viable plan for enforcement.

607
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,860
So we're here to encourage the last steps that you see in blue.

608
00:55:52,640 --> 00:56:00,300
Right now, the city has worked feverishly to pass mental housing, student housing areas, and TEMU has been educating simultaneously.

609
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:07,880
We recommended, if you see the next step, the occupancy disclosure statements be put in leases.

610
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:12,480
There's a Facebook page called Aggie Parents, and they want to know what areas there's

611
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,720
own what, so they can comply with the law.

612
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,460
We believe that this disclosure would help parents and students.

613
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,420
Next, you can see communicate fines and criminal to civil.

614
00:56:24,620 --> 00:56:27,080
We believe these should be paired together.

615
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:34,160
Go up the next up workflow and test and modify.

616
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:40,620
we hope to see workflow issues improved, tested, and modified with clear procedures communicated

617
00:56:40,620 --> 00:56:47,880
and needed enforcement officers as well as technology in place. Lastly, we'd love to hear a

618
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:52,520
public statement that there will be effective enforcement with fines and that this will be done

619
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:58,560
well with best practices. So I'm going to start with education. What has been done?

620
00:56:59,660 --> 00:57:03,820
The University is working its tail-off to educate students.

621
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,000
We're very grateful for that.

622
00:57:06,340 --> 00:57:10,060
Recently, as Dr. Baker mentioned, they sent out

623
00:57:10,060 --> 00:57:11,760
meeting three letters to parents.

624
00:57:12,740 --> 00:57:14,860
As a new employee myself of TAMU,

625
00:57:15,060 --> 00:57:18,040
I've seen the meeting three and the NOGOS tenant

626
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,680
Digital Markies all over campus.

627
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,080
I've also seen the information and bags

628
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,260
to students in the Southside neighborhood.

629
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:33,260
They've communicated up the new student conferences, all of this is amazing and I'm sure

630
00:57:33,260 --> 00:57:36,240
as Dr. Baker described tonight there's more.

631
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:43,600
We've also been educating ourselves and we learned that the dorms are out of 104% capacity

632
00:57:44,220 --> 00:57:50,740
and as you discussed a little bit earlier in the last 10 years, 20,000, the student population

633
00:57:50,740 --> 00:57:53,220
is grown by 20,000.

634
00:57:53,220 --> 00:58:09,220
The city prefers new housing to be private, and the university seems open to private public partnerships for new student housing and as was mentioned the study is coming out so we're interested in hearing about that from the university side.

635
00:58:09,860 --> 00:58:16,380
The off campus office is limited to educating students and enforcement is really the city's role.

636
00:58:17,420 --> 00:58:24,340
If you look, I'm about to hear we're trusting in the council to take next steps after all of this education.

637
00:58:25,340 --> 00:58:30,800
They've worked hard. The city has worked hard on middle housing, shared housing, and the who.

638
00:58:31,020 --> 00:58:36,520
And we're hoping to see the city work is hard on the last steps toward enforcement and build trust.

639
00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:42,660
Third, education needs to include why. Why occupancy is limited?

640
00:58:42,660 --> 00:58:48,620
For example, financial displacement of the working class, minorities and lower income.

641
00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:53,260
The northern four ordinance was created to save working class neighborhoods.

642
00:58:53,740 --> 00:58:55,460
You'll hear more about this tonight.

643
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,020
Fourth, education should be paired with enforcement.

644
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,360
The city has always stated that it's enforcing the law.

645
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:05,920
The word enforcement has no meaning without consequences.

646
00:59:06,660 --> 00:59:10,720
The university has invested greatly in me and three.

647
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:15,940
And so there's a law, but if the city doesn't enforce it, it proves it's not important.

648
00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:22,640
We have then created both resistance and entitlement and unrealistic expectations.

649
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:29,560
Fifth, a part of education is realizing that neighborhoods have compromised.

650
00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:33,880
Residents understand the need for student housing and have sought solutions.

651
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,120
One example is in West Park.

652
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,200
This is near Well-Burn George Bush in the Mont Clare corridor.

653
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,460
Residents agreed to hide density, three to five story apartments,

654
00:59:45,420 --> 00:59:47,080
investors bill Ag Shacks there,

655
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,140
but that was something that residents agreed to.

656
00:59:50,420 --> 00:59:54,820
Additionally, the middle housing committee representatives are working towards solutions

657
00:59:54,820 --> 00:59:57,980
to create student housing in areas that make sense.

658
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:11,760
In addition, neighborhoods have suggested that civil, the civil rather than criminalizing students. Everyone is agreeing on this and you'll hear more about that tonight as well.

659
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,140
Six, another part of education is having realistic expectations.

660
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,420
The more than four is generous.

661
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:29,100
We looked at 34 college towns. You can see on the slide, only one other had no more than four.

662
01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:36,380
You can see the rest or three or two. Education means to include stopping misinformation.

663
01:00:37,380 --> 01:00:41,640
There's not a student housing shortage and you'll hear more about that tonight as well.

664
01:00:42,660 --> 01:00:47,820
Let's solve these problems by researching, planning, and taking the steps needed.

665
01:00:48,460 --> 01:00:59,760
Thank you for all of your hard work on this, thank you to the City Manager, thank you to Michael, the Mayor, the Council, Dr. Baker, Student, CCN and Southside.

666
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,360
And Shirley Depress will be up to discuss the occupancy disclosure statement.

667
01:01:07,940 --> 01:01:09,180
Thank you.

668
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:11,120
Thank you, Ms. Vincent.

669
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,500
Next will be Shirley Depressed, be followed by Jacob McFarland.

670
01:01:20,850 --> 01:01:24,050
I'm sure they do priest, I live in South Son.

671
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:26,470
I'll make this quick.

672
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:29,990
You've got the items listed up here,

673
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:36,250
and I'm sure you've got a packet that you can refer to.

674
01:01:36,270 --> 01:01:37,710
It's pretty straightforward.

675
01:01:38,490 --> 01:01:41,230
We're recommending our suggesting that

676
01:01:41,230 --> 01:01:45,030
an occupancy disclosure be included with

677
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:49,070
with rental leases, so that you have

678
01:01:49,070 --> 01:01:58,310
I understand that there's this same sort of page or disclosure that comes with rental registration

679
01:01:58,910 --> 01:02:09,150
but because students and rental agreements change every year having this disclosure statement attached to each

680
01:02:09,150 --> 01:02:20,290
a rental agreement would be make a clear statement that the owner and the tenants are aware

681
01:02:20,290 --> 01:02:29,990
of the requirements and had that agreement available when a code enforcement officer comes

682
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:36,110
to the door and says, you know there's only supposed to be four here and you sign this disclosure

683
01:02:36,110 --> 01:02:37,990
that says that you know that.

684
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:47,990
It's also something that will help, or could be looked at as a benefit for the owner, because

685
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:56,370
the owner has a sign disclosure that he knows, for people will be paying the rent for

686
01:02:56,370 --> 01:03:02,970
this house regardless of whether there are more people that live there.

687
01:03:03,890 --> 01:03:19,950
We just feel like that this additional disclosure statement that would be attached to each rental lease would provide written documentation that everyone is aware that it's no more than four.

688
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:21,390
Thank you.

689
01:03:21,450 --> 01:03:22,650
Thank you, Mr. Priest.

690
01:03:24,530 --> 01:03:31,030
A Jacob McFarland will be followed by a group with Fred DuPrice speaking for them.

691
01:03:33,570 --> 01:03:36,190
I think that's the slide one.

692
01:03:36,650 --> 01:03:37,230
My name is Control.

693
01:03:39,290 --> 01:03:39,570
Did you?

694
01:03:39,570 --> 01:03:40,310
Yes, I am.

695
01:03:40,310 --> 01:03:40,870
I apologize.

696
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:44,630
Yes, so good evening.

697
01:03:45,050 --> 01:03:46,430
Again, my name is Jacob McFarland.

698
01:03:46,670 --> 01:03:50,050
I live in the Delaney Sub Division of the Southside Neighborhood College Station.

699
01:03:50,810 --> 01:03:52,990
Continuing the presentation from a previous speaker,

700
01:03:52,990 --> 01:04:00,270
I'd like to address the need to establish consistent fair and clear consequences for violating

701
01:04:00,270 --> 01:04:05,450
our no more than four ordinance and the urgent need to communicate these consequences to the residents.

702
01:04:06,590 --> 01:04:10,330
Our current ordinance establishes fines that are consistent with the state law.

703
01:04:10,690 --> 01:04:18,130
State law allows fines from $25 to $2,000 per day for violations of previous awareness of the law can be established

704
01:04:18,130 --> 01:04:21,450
and $25,500 per day otherwise.

705
01:04:22,050 --> 01:04:26,410
needs to be made clear that these are not one-time fines and that the fines will accrue

706
01:04:26,410 --> 01:04:31,450
until the property is brought into compliance. Monthly rents for homes and college

707
01:04:31,450 --> 01:04:35,830
station, especially those that were built to break the no more than four ordinance,

708
01:04:36,770 --> 01:04:43,810
can top $6,000 a month. So a $500 fine is really just going to be seen one-time $500 fine

709
01:04:43,810 --> 01:04:48,910
would be seen as a cost to doing business. Furthermore, the rate at which the fines will accrue

710
01:04:48,910 --> 01:04:50,010
needs to be established.

711
01:04:51,450 --> 01:04:55,610
An initial grace period should be made with the interval between the fines

712
01:04:55,610 --> 01:04:59,230
then decreasing until the violation is resolved.

713
01:05:00,150 --> 01:05:03,370
In Levit, Texas, the Cotent Forcement Officers there,

714
01:05:03,410 --> 01:05:07,150
established an informal grace period of about several weeks.

715
01:05:07,410 --> 01:05:09,470
They said, for the first violation,

716
01:05:09,890 --> 01:05:13,250
and then increased to daily fines thereafter to ensure

717
01:05:13,250 --> 01:05:15,070
that the occupancy ordinance was followed.

718
01:05:15,070 --> 01:05:21,410
I recommend that the city establish a formal policy, allowing for a two week grace period

719
01:05:21,410 --> 01:05:23,730
initially, and then moving to daily fines.

720
01:05:24,490 --> 01:05:29,690
This will provide violators sometime to respond while also establishing clear meaningful

721
01:05:29,690 --> 01:05:31,630
consequences for breaking our walls.

722
01:05:33,150 --> 01:05:39,230
Next section there, to the identification of violations must also be fair, clear, and easy

723
01:05:39,230 --> 01:05:39,910
to understand.

724
01:05:39,910 --> 01:05:47,630
The city needs to establish the evidence necessary to issue citations and provide a system for code enforcement to follow.

725
01:05:48,010 --> 01:05:52,990
Evidence needs to be accepted from citizens and code enforcement must be required to act on an untimely manner.

726
01:05:53,570 --> 01:05:59,090
Citations should not be issued based on arbitrary judgment from city officials but should follow consistent metrics.

727
01:05:59,090 --> 01:06:06,910
This could be something as simple as having a five or more cars parked at a residence

728
01:06:06,910 --> 01:06:13,030
for a percentage of 75 percent of the time for a period of maybe 14 days as it has been

729
01:06:13,030 --> 01:06:14,450
used in other cities.

730
01:06:14,830 --> 01:06:19,470
A citation that was not the end of the process and residents should and will have a chance

731
01:06:19,470 --> 01:06:22,530
to provide their own evidence if they believe they aren't in compliance.

732
01:06:23,930 --> 01:06:32,870
Lastly, these consequences need to be communicated clearly and consistently, we need to make

733
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:38,930
a press statement that makes this clear that we will be enforcing this law, and we need

734
01:06:38,930 --> 01:06:44,510
to make a website to establish what the procedures will be in the grace period, and then finally

735
01:06:44,510 --> 01:06:49,370
provide clear evidence to Texas A&M, clear guidance to A&M, so that they can spread the

736
01:06:49,370 --> 01:06:49,630
word.

737
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:50,350
Thank you.

738
01:06:52,310 --> 01:06:58,550
Mr. Dupriest, let me introduce Eden Fielder,

739
01:06:58,610 --> 01:07:04,150
if you'd stand in just a standing, Allen James, Charles Kennerley,

740
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:07,150
Mary Elves, Mary Elizabeth Dressor, and George,

741
01:07:08,070 --> 01:07:09,150
Dressor over here.

742
01:07:09,610 --> 01:07:11,710
Thank you for being here, and Mr. Dupriest,

743
01:07:11,810 --> 01:07:12,650
the floor is yours.

744
01:07:13,970 --> 01:07:15,070
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

745
01:07:16,350 --> 01:07:18,030
You know, I'm listening to these presentations

746
01:07:18,030 --> 01:07:21,950
and it may sound like the verb eating a dead horse you've heard these things before but we

747
01:07:21,950 --> 01:07:27,530
actually are moving into a level of detail now and some issues that actually have never

748
01:07:27,530 --> 01:07:34,330
talked about and I think that the civil versus criminal is pivotal so much that it is now

749
01:07:34,330 --> 01:07:40,530
the central conversation that we're moving to. We want you to understand the occupancy

750
01:07:40,530 --> 01:07:46,870
alliance is objective in supporting and proposing civil actually two years ago and very clearly

751
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:48,270
over the last year and a half.

752
01:07:49,290 --> 01:07:53,850
We do care that students don't have a criminal record that's extremely important, but we arrived

753
01:07:53,850 --> 01:07:58,210
at our conclusion by the study that four years of study we've done in the Southside that

754
01:07:58,210 --> 01:08:03,210
are not explained why we haven't been able to enforce, why don't we get convictions in houses

755
01:08:03,210 --> 01:08:07,190
where absolutely certain, you know, you've seen the pictures you know, they're over-occupied.

756
01:08:08,010 --> 01:08:12,810
And what we come to is this criminal conviction, but it's more specifically the standard

757
01:08:12,810 --> 01:08:19,870
evidence, which is beyond a reasonable doubt, no doubt they're guilty, that's hard, that's

758
01:08:19,870 --> 01:08:25,530
very hard. And so what cities have done in going to civil is not go to just a civil because

759
01:08:25,530 --> 01:08:31,070
I can still keep applying those same standards of review if I want to or choose to, it's

760
01:08:31,070 --> 01:08:36,970
going to civil and an a more a lower level of evidence, you know, probable cause perhaps,

761
01:08:36,970 --> 01:08:43,530
reasonable cause. So, probable cause literally means what it says that it's probably true,

762
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:49,170
and it's all I have to show. Typically in a city, they just look at cars in the economy,

763
01:08:49,210 --> 01:08:54,390
they have some prime of a face-to-standard like a while days out of X, you know, percent of days.

764
01:08:55,570 --> 01:09:01,050
And then it's, they say that's enough to be probably true, and maybe you have a supervisor review

765
01:09:01,050 --> 01:09:06,150
and work with the code enforcement officer for another level. But that is the extent of it,

766
01:09:06,150 --> 01:09:11,030
And the key is it doesn't involve the city of turning, in every case, the prosecuting

767
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:12,570
attorney, the judge, or the court.

768
01:09:12,970 --> 01:09:15,370
So it greatly reduces the burden of enforcement.

769
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:23,790
And a lot of the reasons that we struggle to enforce, it makes it easier to convict.

770
01:09:24,650 --> 01:09:30,390
That's why we support it, because it moves the standard of evidence to something different.

771
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:37,770
But it does not make it more likely that the individual is going to be convicted who is not over occupying the house.

772
01:09:38,850 --> 01:09:41,070
Because you're going to knock on the door, talk to him.

773
01:09:41,230 --> 01:09:43,790
They're either going to meet the Tammy Desperate definition or not.

774
01:09:44,130 --> 01:09:46,070
You still have research to do, there's still work.

775
01:09:46,810 --> 01:09:50,570
But if the person's right to then, it says, doesn't change at all.

776
01:09:50,790 --> 01:09:53,430
It's right now that you go to court and explain that you're not violating.

777
01:09:54,050 --> 01:09:56,390
Under civil, you go to court if you want to.

778
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:58,770
The tell us one of the cities is that never happens.

779
01:09:59,270 --> 01:10:04,770
that it's too clear-cut, you have a promising definition, you violate it, you can't explain

780
01:10:04,770 --> 01:10:09,050
your family definition, you don't fit it, and so why would you go to court?

781
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:15,510
So they don't have civil cases that actually go to court that they pay the fine or if someone

782
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:19,230
moves out and we have the grace periods and all as well, which are very important.

783
01:10:21,450 --> 01:10:26,490
So a warning move and stay on that theme a little bit about why is it so important that

784
01:10:26,490 --> 01:10:30,050
would be really rigorous and draw hard hard line

785
01:10:30,050 --> 01:10:34,950
on foreign related and clearly communicate,

786
01:10:35,570 --> 01:10:38,910
make sure no students are sounding contract right now.

787
01:10:39,790 --> 01:10:42,510
And the reason is that it's critical that we hold them on it

788
01:10:42,510 --> 01:10:45,510
for and related as Leon showed you other cities.

789
01:10:45,790 --> 01:10:47,070
We didn't cherry pick those.

790
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:50,170
It's hard to find a college town with our ratio of students

791
01:10:50,170 --> 01:10:52,750
who doesn't limit to two or three due to the cash flow.

792
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:56,010
So we've talked before about the middle housing

793
01:10:56,010 --> 01:11:00,950
and effects that we'll have, but imagine that lower income, who lives there, minorities in

794
01:11:00,950 --> 01:11:05,410
the month, what happens when they have to be with cash flow from five, if we don't hold

795
01:11:05,410 --> 01:11:10,110
the line and we just keep creeping and creek, well, we've actually crept to 10, right, 9

796
01:11:10,110 --> 01:11:15,690
or 8 or so, and now we're responding to that, but just creeping to five, just think about

797
01:11:15,690 --> 01:11:16,870
one more cash flow.

798
01:11:17,870 --> 01:11:24,410
So that still hits the same demographic, the hardest, if we let that creep, but a new thought,

799
01:11:24,410 --> 01:11:31,270
And maybe a little bit different is that if I add $400 a fifth person and I let that creep

800
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:36,650
happen broadly, then it will not change the law and allow five instead of four.

801
01:11:37,010 --> 01:11:42,950
You're probably adding, you're adding an investor to put about $75,000 more in a house and

802
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:45,750
come away with exactly the same profit.

803
01:11:46,650 --> 01:11:51,230
What that means is the investment community can now look at your city and pick houses that

804
01:11:51,230 --> 01:12:00,330
up to $75,000 more and that's $5,500 homes. You actually bring $5,500 homes, potentially,

805
01:12:01,190 --> 01:12:05,230
into this sphere that we're trying to expand this sphere that we're unable to protect.

806
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:09,710
Greatly under our city. Now, this is idealized. Of course, it happens over time.

807
01:12:09,730 --> 01:12:13,230
It depends on the home and all that. But the logic of it is extremely powerful.

808
01:12:13,850 --> 01:12:16,690
It's why cities limit to two to three to three in the first place.

809
01:12:16,690 --> 01:12:23,810
And it's why we have so much expansion and displacement in our city before five logically is going to expand

810
01:12:23,810 --> 01:12:30,110
What's in the middle of that range right there this this is every house the college station plotted 23,000 homes

811
01:12:30,110 --> 01:12:34,250
their values the each bar has about a hundred in it

812
01:12:34,250 --> 01:12:37,950
The homes in the middle of that arrow were expanding were saying

813
01:12:37,950 --> 01:12:45,190
$75,000 will let you take those in we're talking about a lot of homes in Pebble Creek

814
01:12:46,210 --> 01:12:52,010
The problem is our profile is so flat that no matter what your break-even is for an investor,

815
01:12:52,270 --> 01:12:56,410
if you add 75,000 to it, you go 5,000 homes.

816
01:12:57,390 --> 01:13:02,190
Anywhere along that profile there, it's the same slope, it's the math of it.

817
01:13:03,230 --> 01:13:07,070
So we have a lot of, I mean, this is really serious.

818
01:13:07,970 --> 01:13:12,750
And drawing them on it for and successfully prosecuting it is the only way to draw the line

819
01:13:12,750 --> 01:13:13,290
it for.

820
01:13:13,290 --> 01:13:18,770
Now, if I'm analyzing the workflow, you know, we can't do that to we have civil, we understand that.

821
01:13:19,230 --> 01:13:27,650
We need to make that decision on civil, but remember that the issue is, if we go to civil, you know,

822
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:29,670
and there's other recommendations, there's no changes.

823
01:13:29,930 --> 01:13:33,690
We've been talking about those for a while, the key thing here is that when we go to civil,

824
01:13:34,590 --> 01:13:42,190
you need to know as a city council before you approve civil exactly what the standard of evidence is going to be

825
01:13:42,190 --> 01:13:57,770
officially with that civil? Is it reasonable cause? We just means reasonably, you know, I think it is. It's like a speeding ticket. You get, you get, you get, stop. You get a ticket because, you know, it's observed. I have a radar.

826
01:13:58,910 --> 01:14:06,890
They're just like a prime official rule. If you are X number miles or the speed limit, the police officer does not have a choice. They find you. There's no decision.

827
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:11,170
And you can go to court and defend yourself. Most people just pay it.

828
01:14:11,170 --> 01:14:15,230
So, that is what civil is to behave like.

829
01:14:15,410 --> 01:14:18,350
Now, if we're actually not going to do that,

830
01:14:18,370 --> 01:14:21,070
if we're going to go to civil and keep all of these layers

831
01:14:21,070 --> 01:14:23,010
of review and some kind of standard, because we're

832
01:14:23,010 --> 01:14:25,770
worried about pellet courts, or ruining some

833
01:14:25,770 --> 01:14:27,890
or else, or whatever, if we're not going to do that,

834
01:14:27,930 --> 01:14:31,250
the occupancy enforcement allows does not support civil.

835
01:14:32,410 --> 01:14:34,850
And you should be concerned about it yourselves,

836
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:38,170
because if you're not achieving what you want, which is

837
01:14:38,170 --> 01:14:44,750
Because the reason we weren't enforcing before us, we know the evidence was our evidence

838
01:14:44,750 --> 01:14:47,670
that you stand, we're keeping this from every convicting anybody.

839
01:14:48,490 --> 01:14:55,010
We must go to a different standard of evidence to ensure that we recommend a workshop before

840
01:14:55,010 --> 01:14:59,750
your approval and which we all get a detailed, you get a detailed explanation.

841
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,180
The exactly what is the work for? What is the standard? What must you see and how you know and how

842
01:15:05,180 --> 01:15:09,600
you decide who will you communicate with. What will that grace period be? All of the things need

843
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:15,080
to be enriding. You need to improve that level of detail because other cities have and then

844
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:21,740
they publish a document. So students, everybody knows exactly what the rules are. And then we can

845
01:15:21,740 --> 01:15:28,020
say, okay, with that workflow, I'm okay with civil. If we can't do that and I would be concerned that

846
01:15:28,020 --> 01:15:29,800
we won't get a different result than now.

847
01:15:30,540 --> 01:15:38,100
So thank you, and I'll turn the presentation over to the speaker who we'll talk about our

848
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:38,980
last steps.

849
01:15:39,340 --> 01:15:42,900
You have questions or that I can answer, I'd be glad to hear.

850
01:15:44,930 --> 01:15:46,270
I think we'll move on with speakers.

851
01:15:46,570 --> 01:15:47,250
Thank you.

852
01:15:48,590 --> 01:15:50,310
Mr. Lloyd Davis.

853
01:15:52,270 --> 01:15:54,470
Mr. Davis, we followed by Katherine Edwards.

854
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,200
Hi, Lloyd Davis, been here before.

855
01:16:02,420 --> 01:16:03,580
Thank you for your time.

856
01:16:03,580 --> 01:16:10,840
afternoon, just trying to wrap the thing up a little bit, and I think one of the most important

857
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:16,880
steps is right now for you as a council, we're setting the timelines and the expectations,

858
01:16:17,100 --> 01:16:23,740
because there's a lot of work that's been done by staff, by yourselves, by citizen committees,

859
01:16:24,940 --> 01:16:30,740
CSAM occupancy, enforcement alliance, a lot of people have gone into this, but we've got

860
01:16:30,740 --> 01:16:38,800
start testing and we're recommending that testing start as soon as March, not convictions,

861
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:43,800
not finding people, but testing the processes, because it's going to be the processes

862
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:48,080
as further saying that make this thing work or not work.

863
01:16:48,860 --> 01:16:54,800
If, and to make it better, at the same time, I'm suggesting that you have an empowered team,

864
01:16:54,800 --> 01:17:01,780
a small team in place with clearer expectations to review the process, what are we generating?

865
01:17:02,020 --> 01:17:03,680
Why aren't we generating things?

866
01:17:04,060 --> 01:17:08,340
Why are we generating too many false-mic enforcement?

867
01:17:08,980 --> 01:17:12,180
Why are there so many steps for approval and that sort of thing?

868
01:17:12,220 --> 01:17:17,000
And these to be a short, streamlined process with a few people involved,

869
01:17:17,340 --> 01:17:21,320
others with oversight of their departments to make sure that it's working.

870
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:28,640
But if we start in March with the testing, we can implement in May, we could also let students

871
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,000
do have any changes that we find before then.

872
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:36,980
In schedule of July, one workshop for students and the general public to say, this is what

873
01:17:36,980 --> 01:17:40,960
we've learned so far, this is where we're at, so that there's no surprises.

874
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:45,080
I realize you'll eyes not great for our students, but if we don't test all our students

875
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,740
are here, it doesn't really matter on the rest of it.

876
01:17:48,740 --> 01:17:50,440
We need to know that as well.

877
01:17:50,440 --> 01:17:57,360
so that we can ultimately, in step 3, we have a final process published by August, civil statutes,

878
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:05,720
I think, as long as we can make it go and, as Red was saying, civil statutes allow fewer steps,

879
01:18:06,100 --> 01:18:12,400
clearer responsibilities, and we can begin to move this forward. And the last thing, and perhaps

880
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:21,420
most important thing is we'll never have a council that's more experienced in this matter than

881
01:18:21,420 --> 01:18:25,960
the one we're right now. We'll never have people sitting near that no more about it than you do.

882
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:33,640
By making this work now, I think it would be bad for our city and our constituencies. If this

883
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:39,380
became an election issue for people that are running for council seats, we've got a group here that's

884
01:18:39,380 --> 01:18:44,820
through it, you know what you're doing, which is to ask that you help us to make this

885
01:18:44,820 --> 01:18:49,800
thing work to take the time that you've already given and make sure that we're able to bring

886
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:55,540
that home with to something that everybody can look with. It's a city problem, it's a school

887
01:18:55,540 --> 01:19:01,980
problem, you know, 24 years of love on the dorm is way too long. But we appreciate your attention,

888
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:06,700
we appreciate your time, what you've done so far, and what you'll do in the future. Thank

889
01:19:06,700 --> 01:19:06,880
you.

890
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:07,780
Thank you, Mr. Davis.

891
01:19:10,290 --> 01:19:11,350
Katherine Edwards.

892
01:19:12,890 --> 01:19:15,790
Katherine Edwards will be followed by Lee James.

893
01:19:25,970 --> 01:19:29,310
My name is Katherine Edwards.

894
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:31,430
I live at 313, Pershing Avenue,

895
01:19:31,970 --> 01:19:35,730
and I'm speaking for the occupancy enforcement alliance.

896
01:19:36,810 --> 01:19:39,570
Once again, we're standing up here,

897
01:19:39,970 --> 01:19:42,710
asking you to protect our homes and neighborhoods.

898
01:19:42,710 --> 01:19:47,550
by we, I mean, a permanent residence of college station.

899
01:19:48,490 --> 01:19:52,130
The issue we're addressing tonight is the problem of over occupancy.

900
01:19:52,730 --> 01:19:56,570
Is there enough affordable student housing in college station?

901
01:19:57,210 --> 01:19:59,650
As an student body has continued to grow,

902
01:20:00,030 --> 01:20:02,750
college station has become a city of apartment complexes

903
01:20:02,750 --> 01:20:06,790
and entire neighborhoods of high-density residences,

904
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:09,170
built specifically for the student market.

905
01:20:09,170 --> 01:20:14,290
Available sources indicate there is no shortage of affordable housing.

906
01:20:15,190 --> 01:20:20,630
I submit to you that there are many existing homes and apartments available for rent right now,

907
01:20:20,990 --> 01:20:27,610
with a per person cost from $350 to $500, if shared by four people.

908
01:20:28,290 --> 01:20:31,910
Even a cursory perusal of Zillow will confirm this.

909
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:44,850
And as recently as Sunday, apartmentfinder.com showed 11 apartment complexes in College Station with rents at $500 or below per person when rented by four.

910
01:20:45,630 --> 01:20:50,790
According to the City and the University, College Station does not have a rental housing shortage,

911
01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:57,790
where close to 80% capacity, which means 20% of rental housing is still available.

912
01:20:58,450 --> 01:21:05,530
For example, there are so many rooms available in Park West that non-students are renting there.

913
01:21:06,170 --> 01:21:09,830
And according to a website called Department of Numbers.com,

914
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:14,050
which was recommended to me by the BCS Department Association.

915
01:21:14,050 --> 01:21:21,870
In 2019, 48% of all housing units in College Station were rentals.

916
01:21:22,190 --> 01:21:24,650
That's almost half of the entire city.

917
01:21:25,670 --> 01:21:30,210
Additionally, College Station rents are lower than larger cities in Texas, and close

918
01:21:30,210 --> 01:21:32,570
to the same as other college towns.

919
01:21:33,810 --> 01:21:39,390
Yes, there is affordable housing available, could it just be that this housing does not

920
01:21:39,390 --> 01:21:46,170
student expectations, is there an expectation to live close to campus in nice family

921
01:21:46,170 --> 01:21:52,370
neighborhoods where as many friends as possible to bring down the cost? Basically, to

922
01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:59,090
live where anyone wants with no constraints, adults don't have that luxury, we have to

923
01:21:59,090 --> 01:22:05,770
live in what we can afford. Please, retain the no more than four ordinance and begin

924
01:22:05,770 --> 01:22:09,670
actively enforcing it as promised in June.

925
01:22:10,130 --> 01:22:12,690
Thank you very much for your hard work.

926
01:22:13,330 --> 01:22:14,050
Thank you, Ms. Edwards.

927
01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:18,410
Just lead James.

928
01:22:18,690 --> 01:22:19,910
We followed by Bill Griffin.

929
01:22:24,630 --> 01:22:26,270
Oh, Lee James from Southside.

930
01:22:26,330 --> 01:22:28,550
Catherine discovered a lot of what I was going to say.

931
01:22:28,970 --> 01:22:32,570
But I do want to add that I know some students

932
01:22:33,330 --> 01:22:36,070
have expressed concern about affordability.

933
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,680
That's part of the university's responsibility.

934
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:56,100
The university with this ample resources can provide affordable housing through in their dorms and their campus private dorms and apartments, and if they're going white creek all the better

935
01:22:56,650 --> 01:23:02,920
Prices for college rentals don't always work the same as rentals for single families when we bought our first rental

936
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:08,580
We were told we could get x for student so for renting to four kids. It was four x

937
01:23:08,580 --> 01:23:12,840
If we had been lawbreakers and read into five, it would have been five X.

938
01:23:13,180 --> 01:23:15,560
It's more likely that the prices will go up.

939
01:23:16,020 --> 01:23:20,660
If the city removes restrictions, the savings students think they will get aren't going to happen.

940
01:23:21,260 --> 01:23:24,480
Five plus students living in a single family home is middle housing,

941
01:23:24,900 --> 01:23:28,020
something that you all are diligently carving out for the students.

942
01:23:28,420 --> 01:23:32,520
Middle housing and apartments were modified and designed to accommodate the high density.

943
01:23:33,100 --> 01:23:38,520
Single family neighborhoods were not designed for every other house to have five plus F-150s

944
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:45,140
for scooters. Overcrouting, overcrouting mixed with the wrong infrastructure leads the unsafe

945
01:23:45,140 --> 01:23:50,440
outcomes as the entire state just learned with the live at the station event. Students

946
01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:55,540
also seem to believe that if the city removes their restrictions, they can have an undetermined

947
01:23:55,540 --> 01:24:01,480
number of roommates. However, landlords can still restrict the number of tenants. There's probably

948
01:24:01,480 --> 01:24:03,380
Some eyes roll them back there,

949
01:24:05,580 --> 01:24:11,880
but that's what the refusal to enforce is done.

950
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:16,640
It's created a dislike and a distrust of our landlords, but we need landlords.

951
01:24:16,780 --> 01:24:19,080
We just need them to abide by the law.

952
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:23,660
Contrary to popular belief, there are landlords who follow the rules, and even those who

953
01:24:23,660 --> 01:24:27,640
don't, may not want to take kids living in their house or doubling up in rooms.

954
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:33,160
That will still lead to ghost tenants that students will believe or legal, because you have said it's okay,

955
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:37,100
and but they're not going to be legal according to lease agreements.

956
01:24:37,700 --> 01:24:40,180
Maintaining the no more than four is essential.

957
01:24:40,700 --> 01:24:42,040
By now, everyone is a familiar.

958
01:24:42,540 --> 01:24:44,280
There should be no questions or confusing.

959
01:24:45,020 --> 01:24:49,620
There are two areas of apartments and middle housing where students can live with high occupancy.

960
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,420
This is where doubling up in rooms should take place.

961
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:57,020
The current ordinance protects landlords and students from unwanted ghost tenants.

962
01:24:57,020 --> 01:25:03,080
It maintains neighborhood integrity by providing everyone a safe and comfortable neighbors to live in.

963
01:25:03,480 --> 01:25:06,720
The young faces out there aren't going to be here in four years.

964
01:25:07,180 --> 01:25:11,520
The old ones you see the citizens of college station will be here for years to come.

965
01:25:11,660 --> 01:25:14,700
It's time to provide for and protect the city's permanent residents.

966
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:16,180
Thank you.

967
01:25:16,500 --> 01:25:17,840
Thank you Ms. James.

968
01:25:18,420 --> 01:25:19,460
Mr. Bill Griffin.

969
01:25:20,700 --> 01:25:21,680
Mr. Bill Griffin.

970
01:25:23,140 --> 01:25:25,620
I'll be followed by Trey Watson.

971
01:25:31,530 --> 01:25:32,570
Thank you.

972
01:25:32,610 --> 01:25:35,030
A lot of my comments have been covered already here.

973
01:25:35,930 --> 01:25:38,110
So I'll I'll I'll dva from script just a little bit.

974
01:25:40,450 --> 01:25:41,410
I'll talk to you.

975
01:25:41,650 --> 01:25:42,950
There you go.

976
01:25:42,950 --> 01:25:44,290
I'll scrunch down.

977
01:25:44,970 --> 01:25:50,130
So we my wife and I we live at 302 temperature 8 in south side and we move there.

978
01:25:50,290 --> 01:25:55,750
Built the home three years ago to retire in college station and with a pretty good understanding

979
01:25:55,750 --> 01:26:00,070
what we were getting into when we moved into the neighborhood, we chose that place to be close

980
01:26:00,070 --> 01:26:08,430
to the campus. Some of the surprises have been discussed here tonight. In fact, last two

981
01:26:08,430 --> 01:26:13,990
semesters prior to this, we had eight students living in a four-bedroom house done at the end

982
01:26:13,990 --> 01:26:20,490
of the street. So we had a front row seat to what all goes with that type of living arrangement.

983
01:26:20,490 --> 01:26:26,030
And so I applaud the university for the efforts they made at, it made a difference.

984
01:26:26,210 --> 01:26:27,050
They're not there this year.

985
01:26:27,190 --> 01:26:29,550
So we got four kids in the house and we're very thankful.

986
01:26:31,950 --> 01:26:37,530
But what happens isn't, you hear a lot about game days and the parties, what it is is

987
01:26:37,530 --> 01:26:41,470
every Thursday, Friday, Saturday, night about 2 AM when they roll out a Northgate.

988
01:26:41,550 --> 01:26:46,710
And it only takes one to ruin the whole thing and it was discussed earlier.

989
01:26:46,710 --> 01:26:55,690
So, originally my intention to come up here was the student senate proposal to expand or drop the no more than four.

990
01:26:56,430 --> 01:27:02,270
And everything I've heard today seems to substantiate the fact that we're going to continue to move forward with enforcement.

991
01:27:04,330 --> 01:27:12,970
What was disappointing, what is the fact that only 15% of the students in the Texas Union University have on campus housing options.

992
01:27:12,970 --> 01:27:19,370
I think and look to you guys to really continue to put as much pressure as possible on the university

993
01:27:19,370 --> 01:27:23,730
to provide more solutions, more high-density housing options.

994
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:25,630
It's their responsibility to do it.

995
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:29,090
You can look at the money and the facilities that are being built for the athletic department.

996
01:27:29,230 --> 01:27:30,910
I know there's different funding involved.

997
01:27:32,250 --> 01:27:38,630
But frankly, 12,000 isn't that meeting more than when I came here in the mid-70s to go to school.

998
01:27:38,630 --> 01:27:43,770
I think the university's grown with somewhat of a disregard for the impact on the community.

999
01:27:44,730 --> 01:27:52,570
And so I just urge you to continue to stay diligent and enforcement landlords have to be responsible.

1000
01:27:52,770 --> 01:27:54,850
At the end of the day, these kids are going to work around things.

1001
01:27:54,930 --> 01:28:03,150
And if the landlords have enough punitive issues that come with violating these ordinances that you put in place,

1002
01:28:03,150 --> 01:28:07,870
I think will be successful in maintaining the integrity of the neighborhoods and I applaud your efforts.

1003
01:28:07,870 --> 01:28:09,310
Thank you.

1004
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:10,230
Thank you, Mr. Griffin.

1005
01:28:12,110 --> 01:28:13,830
Mr. Trey Watson.

1006
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:17,130
Did I see Trey come in?

1007
01:28:19,190 --> 01:28:22,450
I don't see Mr. Watson, so we will move on.

1008
01:28:22,670 --> 01:28:30,210
That's the last individual that we have had here for signed up.

1009
01:28:31,070 --> 01:28:32,230
Is anybody having further comments?

1010
01:28:32,510 --> 01:28:37,750
I would like to suggest something to, I guess, Dr. Baker's left, so maybe.

1011
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:41,510
I would I'd like to ask another question.

1012
01:28:41,850 --> 01:28:42,750
I occurred to me.

1013
01:28:47,860 --> 01:28:51,380
I was still on workshop item 8.1.

1014
01:28:51,740 --> 01:29:01,760
I was impressed with energy and efforts from your office and Barbara Moore and many others and outreach and education.

1015
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:09,640
I didn't hear maybe I missed it in your presentation about the efforts to meet with and educate

1016
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:17,920
property managers and investor groups of one kind or another. Tell me about that part of the plan.

1017
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:23,800
Yeah sure. So the staff right now have been going on every Thursday to visit all the property here in town.

1018
01:29:23,940 --> 01:29:29,660
That would be apartment, high-density, single dwellings and then starting to meet with our

1019
01:29:29,660 --> 01:29:32,840
management companies and our locator services.

1020
01:29:33,780 --> 01:29:36,160
We presented today at the Brown College Station

1021
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:39,500
of Perm Association meeting, talked about where we are

1022
01:29:39,500 --> 01:29:42,120
with the office, when over some data, we have on students.

1023
01:29:42,300 --> 01:29:45,860
Jacqueline is currently working on a property management

1024
01:29:45,860 --> 01:29:50,700
landlord survey that we're going to send out to a number,

1025
01:29:50,980 --> 01:29:51,740
and work with Debbie,

1026
01:29:51,780 --> 01:29:52,920
and we're on the rental registration

1027
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,960
to get that out to collect some additional data on those components.

1028
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:59,580
and we're looking at some pieces around.

1029
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:25,200
We know, particularly in our non-apprentment complex dwellings, that everybody's on but Texas apartment association lease. About 90% of our high-density apartment structures use that lease, unless they're corporate built, and not on a corporate lease out of the state of Texas jurisdiction. We have to help them bring that lease into compliance with Texas Red Book Property Code.

1030
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:32,300
But we're kind of working through some pieces around how we help them know what we have in

1031
01:30:32,300 --> 01:30:39,380
services and where we are mitigating some of our on ethical practices from some of our

1032
01:30:39,380 --> 01:30:45,200
rogue landlord management companies that are providing misinformation to our students

1033
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:45,780
our parents.

1034
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:50,120
So right now they're out meeting, we're addressing issues that are coming up, we're cold

1035
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:54,840
calling for concerns that are being brought to us either from the city, from the vice

1036
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:59,920
President's office from parents or from students directly and working with our students attorney

1037
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:06,860
to begin to file some local litigation against some of our property managers as a way to

1038
01:31:06,860 --> 01:31:12,700
do some education around the expectations on contract agreements on from the student perspective.

1039
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:19,280
I know the idea of a disclosure statement was brought up here tonight and presented to us

1040
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:23,880
before and I've seen it from some other cities and I know we have referred to our cities

1041
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:30,120
staff, do you have any thoughts on that from your perspective and talking to your advisory?

1042
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:35,660
Yeah, actually, I think it's a really important component of the leasing process. We see a number

1043
01:31:35,660 --> 01:31:42,900
of additional agenda out of Talisa's pets, mold, paint, age of a house, maintenance, yard maintenance

1044
01:31:42,900 --> 01:31:47,720
expectations. It will just be one additional. It actually protects everybody involved in the

1045
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:52,820
contractual agreement because it's a disclosure that the landlord indicates they understand the rules

1046
01:31:52,820 --> 01:32:12,180
And our exposing our students and also helps us to educate our students and our landlords on trying to abolish this ghost tinnoning practice that we have going on because it outlines what needs to happen based on the residential facility the leases attached to so we're actually actually very much in support of that.

1047
01:32:12,180 --> 01:32:15,840
as a way to help our students be able to advocate

1048
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,420
on the other side because I think what we hear from the,

1049
01:32:18,420 --> 01:32:20,200
and we've had some really lovely meeting

1050
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:22,480
with our permanent resident associations

1051
01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:24,520
that are advocating for more enforcement.

1052
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:27,840
From the student side, I know you've heard a lot

1053
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,880
around sort of how that enforcement works in those pieces

1054
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:34,020
and where we have really seen the push and pull

1055
01:32:34,020 --> 01:32:35,760
of the tension of those two sides

1056
01:32:36,260 --> 01:32:38,900
is that the students are being fined

1057
01:32:38,900 --> 01:32:41,700
but the oftentimes we're not holding the landlord

1058
01:32:41,700 --> 01:32:46,200
or that leasing agent who executed that leasing accountable and that's where the misinformation

1059
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:51,420
is happening and so the contract agenda will allow us to help our students while bringing

1060
01:32:51,420 --> 01:32:56,520
them into education and compliance hold our landlords accountable to being in compliance with

1061
01:32:56,520 --> 01:33:02,700
the code as well. So as you talk to those property management leasing organizations you're

1062
01:33:02,700 --> 01:33:06,900
including this idea of a disclosure statement in your conversations with them.

1063
01:33:07,060 --> 01:33:11,520
Oh yeah we talked about it today we also talked about my directive to the off-campus student

1064
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:16,620
services staff to begin to push for the move of the least signing out of the fall semester

1065
01:33:16,620 --> 01:33:21,980
and post after the winter break holiday that we don't want our student signing until after

1066
01:33:21,980 --> 01:33:26,940
they come back from winter break. So that was presented today during our lunch meeting with that

1067
01:33:26,940 --> 01:33:33,600
association. Thank you. Other fellow questions from council members. Yes. Thank you. Thank you,

1068
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:39,840
Mayor Nichols. So are you pushing that clause to be added? You're pushing the student and

1069
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:46,240
parents to have the management company incorporate that class. We're asking for the landlords

1070
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:52,620
to consider adding the agenda to the lease and we're encouraging our students and our parents

1071
01:33:52,620 --> 01:33:57,460
and family members to make sure they're asking for clarification and that it's received and

1072
01:33:57,460 --> 01:34:03,140
writing as a good practice, you know, three tenants of good contract practice, so you get it in

1073
01:34:03,140 --> 01:34:08,280
writing, make sure you understand it before you sign it and keep a copy. And so that's what we're

1074
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:12,600
them to do because we're getting a lot of, well they told me it was okay and then the

1075
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:16,720
Lancelor saying I never said it because the landlords are doing it through verbal communication

1076
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:21,440
and so we're trying to help our, educate our students and our families that just because

1077
01:34:21,440 --> 01:34:26,720
they say it doesn't make it legal and so the agenda is a way we can ask our students to ask

1078
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:30,740
for it and our landlords to offer it, then make sure everybody's on the same page.

1079
01:34:31,380 --> 01:34:32,040
Thank you very much.

1080
01:34:33,500 --> 01:34:34,560
Yes, Mr. Maloney.

1081
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:53,380
Yeah, I'm going to need this host to death when, when Fran and I on to do plus one bedroom unit that had one bed on each side, we had our tenant sign a piece of document that said, this individual's living in this unit only and only that person's lack of them.

1082
01:34:53,440 --> 01:35:03,900
You have a visitor coming once in a while. And so when the dad or the student that was living there decided that he was going to put his son and his, and his nephew in there,

1083
01:35:03,900 --> 01:35:07,360
along with his daughter in a one bedroom apartment.

1084
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:10,760
I show him the, he got mad, I showed him his document.

1085
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:12,780
He signed that he had to move out.

1086
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:14,700
And he still mad at me, but you know what?

1087
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:16,040
It was the one bedroom unit.

1088
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:19,940
So we got out of that business after a while

1089
01:35:19,940 --> 01:35:21,900
because the taxes were higher than the amount of money

1090
01:35:21,900 --> 01:35:24,460
we were getting and the taxing entities refused

1091
01:35:24,460 --> 01:35:26,960
to cut the grass on that side of the duplex that they owned.

1092
01:35:27,860 --> 01:35:28,780
That's another issue.

1093
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,200
But I really came on its stress.

1094
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:37,160
important is that the occupancy limits, disclosure statements becomes part of every single

1095
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:43,200
lease, every single sale. I mean, whenever you bought a piece of property, I mean you get

1096
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:46,600
the Warren peace volume up there of all the papers you initial.

1097
01:35:46,820 --> 01:35:52,680
Inchecks, inchecks is property code allows for an occupancy disclosure on apartment complexes.

1098
01:35:53,140 --> 01:35:58,960
It's about a eight sentence paragraph that talks about what defines a visitor versus what

1099
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,320
that moves the visitor into an occupancy clause

1100
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:03,940
and it's a great way to re-address some of the items

1101
01:36:03,940 --> 01:36:06,380
you're hearing from residents and you'll hear from students

1102
01:36:06,380 --> 01:36:11,520
in regards to clear delineation between the significant

1103
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,320
other who's sort of permanently moved in

1104
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:18,520
but isn't technically a renter versus the ghost tenant

1105
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:20,280
because I think those are different issues too.

1106
01:36:20,380 --> 01:36:23,500
So the agenda is a great way to address for all parties

1107
01:36:23,500 --> 01:36:27,120
in a legal manner, clear instructions and expectations

1108
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:29,080
around the execution of that lease.

1109
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:33,480
I think I won't be very, very pleased to see that become just normal procedure.

1110
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,020
Thank you so much for working on that.

1111
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:38,980
Thank you, Ms. Mooney. Any other questions, Mr. Smith?

1112
01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:45,000
One more. I'm very encouraged by the amount of effort that I'm seeing with this group.

1113
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:53,420
This is very, very good. And the momentum is moving in the right direction, but all of it doesn't

1114
01:36:53,420 --> 01:37:04,600
I mean anything if when we get to the end, we aren't enforcing and that's just something that I'm aware of and I will keep my eye on that goal.

1115
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:05,500
Absolutely.

1116
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:13,800
We have heard that loud and clear from, again, all of the individuals who we have the chance to speak with who are speaking tonight as well as the City Manager.

1117
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:18,740
Our efforts are to tell the students that come the end of the academic semester and may

1118
01:37:18,740 --> 01:37:25,260
the expectations of the high-warning educational component in the institution's efforts

1119
01:37:25,260 --> 01:37:31,440
where we won't cease education, it will be on them to ensure that they are in compliance

1120
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:37,000
and that those releases moving into the fall 24 academic semester are in compliance with CityCode.

1121
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:39,320
Thank you.

1122
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:40,280
Thank you.

1123
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:43,200
Let's go now.

1124
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:44,020
Yeah.

1125
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:45,280
Thank you, Dr. Baker.

1126
01:37:45,460 --> 01:37:49,900
One thing you mentioned a minute ago made me wonder, the no more than four unrelated

1127
01:37:49,900 --> 01:37:52,700
is not a rental issue.

1128
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:59,260
You could own your own home and still not be allowed to have more than three unrelated people

1129
01:37:59,260 --> 01:38:02,300
living in your home, even if you don't charge them rent.

1130
01:38:03,460 --> 01:38:07,100
And so I think it's important to get that message out.

1131
01:38:07,100 --> 01:38:13,400
It's not just a lease agreement, it's not just a landlord issue, I mean, this is even for homeowners.

1132
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:19,140
The government regulates who can live in your home even if it's your home and you're not charging people rent.

1133
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:22,400
They still regulate who can live in that home.

1134
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:29,980
And so you touched on it with significant other in passing just a minute ago that a girlfriend could come and live into a home.

1135
01:38:30,020 --> 01:38:36,460
Even if she's not paying rent, that additional person could trip the no more than what me and three or whatever.

1136
01:38:36,460 --> 01:38:37,620
Yeah, no more than for them.

1137
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:38,540
Remember me for us, sir.

1138
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:41,480
But that you include that conversation as well.

1139
01:38:41,820 --> 01:38:45,520
So we haven't in previous iterations of the off campus student

1140
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:46,560
services office.

1141
01:38:46,940 --> 01:38:49,900
We worked a lot with investor property developers,

1142
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:55,480
or we worked with local realtors and regards to home sales.

1143
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:56,980
That's not where we're at right now.

1144
01:38:56,980 --> 01:38:59,600
I think that's probably a little bit further down for us.

1145
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:01,980
But we do know we have families that come in and purchase.

1146
01:39:02,140 --> 01:39:04,540
And we'll have two or three Aggies come through.

1147
01:39:04,540 --> 01:39:08,940
they often cousins will live in, and so we begin to do the three degrees of separation

1148
01:39:08,940 --> 01:39:14,080
related to the, are you related or are you not, and how, when do we hit those, and so we do,

1149
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:20,680
we used to do some education around that. The directive was hit the areas that we need to hit

1150
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:28,220
as we work through middle housing zoning. Make sure every student on campus knows the expectations

1151
01:39:28,220 --> 01:39:34,460
of engagement around all code, particularly no more than four, and then begin to re-establish the office.

1152
01:39:34,460 --> 01:39:39,620
So those are our number one, two and three priorities for this semester, and then we will continue

1153
01:39:39,620 --> 01:39:46,000
to expand our efforts regarding housing searching, say, searching, non-housing discrimination.

1154
01:39:46,340 --> 01:39:49,740
Some other pieces we know that need to be there were just a lot.

1155
01:39:50,060 --> 01:39:52,920
We started in February, and we have an office in September.

1156
01:39:53,380 --> 01:39:58,380
So it was a whole lot real fast, and a lot of work done before we had staff in place.

1157
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:03,960
So we have it on our radar, and we do know that we have a lot of passed-down houses where

1158
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:09,760
and then for his kids and then another sibling purchase it from them and we see him coming out.

1159
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:15,160
We also run into a lot of leasing problems where it's an owner occupied the owner owns it.

1160
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:21,000
They're child lives and then they have roommates and their contracts aren't done well because it's sort of a friendly contract and again.

1161
01:40:21,380 --> 01:40:28,240
If it's in writing and we have clear expectations, we have a better way of helping everybody have a good experience and focus on what they're here for, which is their education.

1162
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:36,120
Absolutely, I really appreciate all that you've done and the speed that you've done, but I also know there's a popular narrative that is about rent and it's about money

1163
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:41,760
But it's not about rent even if you don't charge rent. This enforcement is still a drive to be enforced

1164
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:46,060
And it's all about who lives in the house and how they're related and you can get in trouble

1165
01:40:46,060 --> 01:40:55,000
You can get one of these penalties even if you're not charging rent and so I just want that along because I just want those two narratives out there

1166
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,160
Absolutely, we recognize that

1167
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:58,820
Thank you, Dr. Baker.

1168
01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:00,880
John Ramirez.

1169
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:08,120
Dr. Baker staff, we appreciate your being here tonight, sharing a lot of really good ideas

1170
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:11,640
and certainly reflecting Council Member Smith's comment.

1171
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:14,160
A lot of energy and a lot of effort and momentum.

1172
01:41:14,820 --> 01:41:15,740
I hope we can carry forward.

1173
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:24,080
Thank you to the citizen speakers as well to kind of rich the dialogue and help us focus our attention.

1174
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:31,240
so it's been a great evening on this topic. We'll be talking about middle housing and efforts

1175
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:37,080
to address density in the community and on later agenda item, some of you may wish to stay,

1176
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:41,380
some of you may wish to go home and have an early evening, but thank you all for being here.

1177
01:41:44,210 --> 01:41:50,110
Okay, with that workshop item, we will move to,

1178
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:54,940
let me just see where we're going here.

1179
01:41:54,940 --> 01:41:57,480
Get back to my agenda.

1180
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:03,480
Council members okay with proceeding with item 9.1.

1181
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:07,880
Okay, we're going to go to our regular agenda.

1182
01:42:08,100 --> 01:42:14,020
Item 9.1 is presentation, discussion, possible action relating to a resolution creating a Texas

1183
01:42:14,020 --> 01:42:18,240
Music Friendly Advisory Committee, Mr. Frasacech.

1184
01:42:18,820 --> 01:42:24,020
From economic development, we'll speak to this, and there is no one signed up to speak.

1185
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:29,090
Good evening, Mayor and Council, Brian Pissotchuk with Economic Development and Tourson.

1186
01:42:29,830 --> 01:42:33,890
I'm here to present on a resolution to establish a Texas Music Friendly Committee.

1187
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:43,120
In 2016, the Texas Music Office created the only Music Friendly Community Program in the U.S.

1188
01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:49,200
now known as Music Friendly Texas, which is grown to represent several dozen certified communities across the state.

1189
01:42:49,820 --> 01:42:54,780
Participation in this program provides a unique opportunity to demonstrate the city's desire to attract

1190
01:42:54,780 --> 01:43:00,000
and develop music industry growth, as well as strengthen the network supporting local musicians,

1191
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:06,420
songwriters, producers, and venues. Our certification process kicked off in March 2023

1192
01:43:06,420 --> 01:43:11,260
when we held our music friendly Texas workshop with representatives from the Texas music office.

1193
01:43:11,580 --> 01:43:17,340
Since that time, staff have pursued the additional steps, including establishing a TMO liaison,

1194
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:23,760
registering with the Texas music industry directorie, and collaborating with local stakeholders.

1195
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:29,120
Casey Borelli of all events coordinator is serving as early as on and has done an incredible

1196
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:34,980
job of fostering relationships with musicians and local venues. We are coming to you this

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01:43:34,980 --> 01:43:39,000
evening to formalize the creation of an advisory board to guide future efforts.

1198
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:43,080
The committee

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01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:48,180
will consist of local stakeholders representing a cross section of the music industry. Following the

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01:43:48,180 --> 01:43:53,640
initial workshop, Casey has built a network of vested individuals which touch all aspects of the

1201
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:58,760
local music scene through the collaboration the group formed a monthly networking event called

1202
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:03,900
Hangout and Tune In, which gives anyone a chance to meet others in the industry, learn about

1203
01:44:03,900 --> 01:44:08,960
local resources, events, and activities, and even grab the mic for a quick performance.

1204
01:44:09,860 --> 01:44:14,080
The events are hosted the third Tuesday of every month that local venues, with the first

1205
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:18,880
being held in July at the Dixie Chicken, the next Hangout and Tune In is scheduled for

1206
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:22,720
Tuesday, November 21st at Stampede College Station.

1207
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:25,660
We have had a total of about 75 people

1208
01:44:25,660 --> 01:44:29,000
join us at these events, and have heard from 16 musicians

1209
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:30,480
during the open-mic hour.

1210
01:44:34,410 --> 01:44:35,970
Staff recommend approval of the resolution,

1211
01:44:36,610 --> 01:44:38,510
and we'll continue to partner with a stakeholder group

1212
01:44:38,510 --> 01:44:40,010
for future events and activities.

1213
01:44:40,970 --> 01:44:43,670
We are hosting our music-friendly Texas Community

1214
01:44:43,670 --> 01:44:46,650
Certification Ceremony along with the TMO

1215
01:44:46,650 --> 01:44:49,230
next Thursday, November 2nd at the tap,

1216
01:44:49,490 --> 01:44:51,970
which is a fantastic local venue with a great music

1217
01:44:51,970 --> 01:44:57,370
legacy. We'll receive our designation during the ceremony at 630 p.m. followed by a couple

1218
01:44:57,370 --> 01:44:59,970
hours of live music. We encourage everyone to come.

1219
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,480
Mount and enjoy this free event. A press release from the governor went out earlier today to announce

1220
01:45:05,480 --> 01:45:10,100
our impending achievement, and it included comments from Mayor Nichols, Scott Kunkl, a local

1221
01:45:10,100 --> 01:45:15,640
booking agent, and William Clark Green, a Texas Country musician who grew up here. He stated

1222
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:21,980
in part, I would not have had the inspiration, if it wasn't for the concert series at Wolfpank Creek

1223
01:45:21,980 --> 01:45:28,500
Ampatheter, seeing Pat Green, Cross-Canadian Ragweed, Jerry Jeff Walker, and many, many more. It

1224
01:45:28,500 --> 01:45:31,140
gave me the want to pursue music.

1225
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:33,860
I'm available for any questions.

1226
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:35,160
Thank you, Mr. Patrick.

1227
01:45:35,260 --> 01:45:36,820
Good questions from Council.

1228
01:45:40,550 --> 01:45:42,250
He's certainly on the list as well.

1229
01:45:42,370 --> 01:45:46,850
We didn't get a quote from him, so we can work on that for next time.

1230
01:45:47,430 --> 01:45:48,430
Let's start with Ms. Quina.

1231
01:45:51,130 --> 01:45:53,290
Hey, I've loved watching this development.

1232
01:45:53,450 --> 01:45:54,790
I think it's a super cool thing.

1233
01:45:55,250 --> 01:45:57,250
I noticed the agenda items specifically

1234
01:45:57,250 --> 01:45:59,170
is on the advisory committee.

1235
01:46:00,050 --> 01:46:02,030
And I noticed that the advisory committee

1236
01:46:02,030 --> 01:46:07,870
is going to be appointed by the city manager instead of like a city council board or commission.

1237
01:46:08,550 --> 01:46:10,490
Is that going to be like the tourism board?

1238
01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:15,110
Similar to that. Yeah, and certainly working with our liaison, working particularly with KC.

1239
01:46:15,190 --> 01:46:19,410
This is a group of individuals that she has as networked with really from the jump.

1240
01:46:19,530 --> 01:46:24,610
There were a few folks in the industry locally that were really interested in getting involved and kind of drawing those connections.

1241
01:46:25,310 --> 01:46:29,810
So we feel that we've kind of established a really good cross section of folks,

1242
01:46:29,810 --> 01:46:34,230
whether it's either representing record stores, or venues, or songwriters, or musicians,

1243
01:46:34,550 --> 01:46:40,250
I have the chance to attend the most recent Hangout in Tune in at Stage 12 that we held a

1244
01:46:40,250 --> 01:46:46,290
week or so ago, and I had a chance to talk with a professor from A&M, who was involved

1245
01:46:46,290 --> 01:46:47,350
in music performance.

1246
01:46:48,050 --> 01:46:50,930
There was a songwriter who had spent some time in Nashville, who lives now in college

1247
01:46:50,930 --> 01:46:55,530
station and is trying to provide advice to kind of burgeoning musicians themselves, and

1248
01:46:55,530 --> 01:46:58,330
then there were handful of folks that grabbed the mic and sang a few songs as well.

1249
01:46:58,330 --> 01:47:01,210
So it's a really kind of unique opportunity.

1250
01:47:01,470 --> 01:47:05,410
This is something that we've modeled off other cities that have done this.

1251
01:47:05,610 --> 01:47:09,890
The neat thing about this music friendly certification is that you can kind of make it what

1252
01:47:09,890 --> 01:47:11,170
you want it to be.

1253
01:47:12,330 --> 01:47:15,790
And we have followed in the footsteps of other communities, there are some really good examples

1254
01:47:15,790 --> 01:47:19,410
of cities that have received the certification, like a fourth and a love egg, and ones that

1255
01:47:19,410 --> 01:47:21,870
we talk to, who do these monthly mixers.

1256
01:47:22,530 --> 01:47:26,230
And they seem to bear a really unique fruit because there's one of the things that we heard

1257
01:47:26,230 --> 01:47:31,650
from that initial meeting back in March, was that while I was so great, we've all never been

1258
01:47:31,650 --> 01:47:35,910
in a room together to kind of share ideas and that work, and we really see these as kind

1259
01:47:35,910 --> 01:47:40,450
of a guiding light to support that, and we obviously, on the visit called Stationside,

1260
01:47:40,870 --> 01:47:45,730
promote music and participate, maybe sponsoring sort of those larger scale events and those

1261
01:47:45,730 --> 01:47:46,150
sort of things.

1262
01:47:46,370 --> 01:47:49,890
But this is our opportunity to do something that's really grassroots, really foundational,

1263
01:47:50,810 --> 01:47:53,570
and hopefully something that's long lasting and sort of building that, you know, kind

1264
01:47:53,570 --> 01:47:55,170
of continuing to build that culture.

1265
01:47:55,170 --> 01:48:25,150
Yeah, no I I love those texts of certification. I'm glad you're pursuing it. I guess the part that I'm I'm interested in hearing more discussion about is the is how the committee is appointed. So I completely understand the advisory committee I I'm not super excited about the way the tourism board is is run. You know that's one of the you said would be similar to that but those meetings are not calendar on the on the public calendar for people to come in and listen to

1266
01:48:25,150 --> 01:48:30,010
those listen to that conversation that dialogue the way they would a park sport meeting or a

1267
01:48:30,010 --> 01:48:36,990
or a planning and zoning meeting. It's not publicly available. It's not listed on our city's

1268
01:48:36,990 --> 01:48:41,690
boards and commissions. You know, the tourism board is not listed there. And remember the general

1269
01:48:41,690 --> 01:48:46,470
public that isn't already connected with that inner circle doesn't really have the chance to apply

1270
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:54,490
to be on it because there's no public way to access it without going in through that inner circle door.

1271
01:48:54,490 --> 01:48:58,990
And so for me, I'm all for the Texas Music Friendly Advisory Committee.

1272
01:48:59,170 --> 01:49:20,650
I would just be prefer that it be a City Council appointed advisory committee like the others that we have in the city that then because it is a City Council point of board has to be calendared and anyone can come and listen and also has an open door for anyone that is interested to apply without having to know somebody to get in on that board.

1273
01:49:20,650 --> 01:49:25,930
And so for those reasons, I'm completely in it in a support of the committee, I would just

1274
01:49:25,930 --> 01:49:31,050
like it to be like the other boards and commissions that we have listed on our website.

1275
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:32,410
Thanks.

1276
01:49:33,890 --> 01:49:37,890
I think Mr. Yenzi was next and then this, I don't know.

1277
01:49:38,690 --> 01:49:45,210
You're Mayor Nichols, Brian, I love that statement, make it what you want it to be.

1278
01:49:45,210 --> 01:49:54,370
So does this afford us an opportunity to bring bigger events or some mechanism or

1279
01:49:54,370 --> 01:49:58,190
machination around attracting larger events?

1280
01:49:58,470 --> 01:50:02,170
Here is at a springboard for that or is it just kind of a local,

1281
01:50:02,670 --> 01:50:08,290
let's get a group of local guys and gals together and have a single

1282
01:50:08,290 --> 01:50:12,630
long. I mean, what can we do to have a real impact through this program?

1283
01:50:12,630 --> 01:50:20,830
Sure, it could be, I don't mean to defer, but it could really be anything of where the group ultimately wants to take it.

1284
01:50:20,950 --> 01:50:26,870
I think your suggestion is one that's apt and certainly relevant in the way that we go about it.

1285
01:50:26,870 --> 01:50:36,930
I've seen this group just internally as a, as against sort of that grassroots movement of helping really connecting on the education side too.

1286
01:50:36,930 --> 01:50:41,470
We've seen some other examples of where musicians have gone into classrooms, they work with

1287
01:50:41,470 --> 01:50:44,110
the local school district, and we have some representations and folks that are going

1288
01:50:44,110 --> 01:50:48,930
to be engaged from culture to NISD, where they can go and talk to music students about

1289
01:50:48,930 --> 01:50:53,170
their experience, you know, sort of going through it and working with venues and writing

1290
01:50:53,170 --> 01:50:54,710
songs and working with producers.

1291
01:50:55,510 --> 01:50:59,470
And it's really about enhancing the existing music scene.

1292
01:50:59,590 --> 01:51:02,050
There are a lot of folks that have obviously had a lot of success here that either grew

1293
01:51:02,050 --> 01:51:07,290
here, or maybe we're a student A&M, and have gone on to pretty significant renowned.

1294
01:51:08,330 --> 01:51:18,430
This is our way of hopefully investing in that foundation to, again, attract the music

1295
01:51:18,430 --> 01:51:24,010
opportunities, the industry opportunities, and then also further engender those opportunities

1296
01:51:24,010 --> 01:51:24,710
here locally.

1297
01:51:24,710 --> 01:51:53,810
That's the whole purpose of this music friendly mission through the governor's office is to, again, not just create that sort of ground well with support, but also signal and say, hey, we're making an investment in music. And this is this is something, I mean, I would have loved to have been the first city to have done this, but we will be the 50 first city across the state of Texas, which is still a, it's a something that is, you think, a 51 that's, that's a lot, but there are obviously, you know, 1,000,

1298
01:51:54,390 --> 01:51:56,110
various municipalities across the state.

1299
01:51:56,330 --> 01:52:02,770
So we're still, I would say on the leading edge and going to continue to interact with our counterparts.

1300
01:52:03,110 --> 01:52:10,070
That's one thing that Casey has done is really invested in seeing again what other cities have done and where they found success and things that we can leverage here.

1301
01:52:10,830 --> 01:52:12,250
I appreciate that answer.

1302
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:21,590
The one ulterior motive might be greater utilization of Wolpen Creek amphitheater for musical

1303
01:52:21,590 --> 01:52:27,210
acts is that something that could come out of this, that's one, two, I know in your

1304
01:52:27,210 --> 01:52:32,430
position that's not lost on you that Parker McCullum is coming to read a rena in August

1305
01:52:32,430 --> 01:52:33,390
of 2024.

1306
01:52:34,710 --> 01:52:37,390
Can you speak to how did that happen?

1307
01:52:37,390 --> 01:52:41,010
I mean, that's going to be a huge economic impact.

1308
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:45,810
It will rival if not exceed the Garth Brooks concert

1309
01:52:45,810 --> 01:52:47,030
that was held at Reed Arena.

1310
01:52:47,130 --> 01:52:50,190
And all of a sudden, we've got great big acts at Reed Arena.

1311
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:51,790
Again, how did that happen?

1312
01:52:52,150 --> 01:52:55,610
Should there be a Texas A&M University representative

1313
01:52:55,610 --> 01:53:01,270
on this committee and can it be leveraged

1314
01:53:01,270 --> 01:53:03,710
to increase utilization of Wolfpink Creek

1315
01:53:03,710 --> 01:53:06,290
amphitheater as an existing asset?

1316
01:53:06,290 --> 01:53:18,110
So, a chance of your question, so Casey has engaged with a couple of different folks from A&M who are involved, from the music booking perspective, we can certainly grow that pie.

1317
01:53:18,270 --> 01:53:23,030
I mean, that's why it was set in general terms to say about 25 individuals.

1318
01:53:23,470 --> 01:53:28,370
So you get a really full cross section in A&M is obviously a major component of that.

1319
01:53:28,370 --> 01:53:31,610
I think what the Park of McCollum concert indicates

1320
01:53:31,610 --> 01:53:35,490
is a growing diversity of options in our community

1321
01:53:35,490 --> 01:53:37,990
where you can have that sort of big headline

1322
01:53:37,990 --> 01:53:45,230
or for something at Rita Rina that would fill that 12, 13, 14,000

1323
01:53:45,230 --> 01:53:48,690
seat arena, something that potentially cow field

1324
01:53:48,690 --> 01:53:49,610
that would be even larger.

1325
01:53:50,190 --> 01:53:51,210
The other thing that this offers

1326
01:53:51,210 --> 01:53:55,670
is better connecting with, again, Harry's and stage 12

1327
01:53:55,670 --> 01:54:02,530
And some of the other, the other venues that we've already featured at, so you've got a mix of things.

1328
01:54:02,690 --> 01:54:07,430
It's like walking down Broadway in Nashville where there's just, there's dozens of opportunities to listen to music.

1329
01:54:07,530 --> 01:54:14,130
And it could be that headliner that's at the Mass of Arena and that could also be, you know, that next big thing that's coming up in one of our local establishments.

1330
01:54:14,330 --> 01:54:23,990
Well, I'm all for this and I don't mind the city manager's administration and, you know, with you and his team picking the committee.

1331
01:54:23,990 --> 01:54:31,590
but with city council guidance and and I'd like to see if we can you know make this

1332
01:54:31,590 --> 01:54:36,290
something more than a bunch of folks from going to get to our around a campfire okay

1333
01:54:36,290 --> 01:54:41,610
I mean we've got we'll pin creak amphitheater it sets largely empty we're going to have a massive

1334
01:54:41,610 --> 01:54:47,590
economic impact and a quality of life impact from Parker McCullough coming into town

1335
01:54:47,590 --> 01:54:54,630
that loves to amp this up and make it just what you said what we can make it become.

1336
01:54:55,130 --> 01:55:01,760
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I miss her all. This is really exciting. This is really exciting.

1337
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:11,120
But I wanted to reinforce what Ms. Conna said specifically about two different organizations,

1338
01:55:11,140 --> 01:55:18,120
our tourist board and now our music board being appointed by city staff, I disagree.

1339
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:23,920
someone who headed up for convention and visitor's bureaus around the country our city council

1340
01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:32,700
always appointed my board and I would ask if anybody of this council has any idea what our tourism board is doing

1341
01:55:34,500 --> 01:55:43,080
no that's not right and I think as we go into this next venture with the with the Texas music certification

1342
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:51,860
We need to know what's going on, and I think those appointments should go through the city council because this is what we do.

1343
01:55:52,380 --> 01:56:01,220
And so I am just going to encourage city management to think about what are they doing because we don't know what's going on.

1344
01:56:01,580 --> 01:56:03,780
And that's not right. Thank you.

1345
01:56:03,780 --> 01:56:06,140
I'm just a millennia.

1346
01:56:06,700 --> 01:56:09,300
Yeah, I couldn't be happy about this.

1347
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:12,000
I remember when Tom Brime was city manager,

1348
01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:14,220
and he was a musician, he loved music,

1349
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:16,540
and we had North by Northgate festival.

1350
01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:20,060
I mean, born in thousands and thousands of people.

1351
01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:22,520
We had Willie Nelson, Jerry Jeff Work,

1352
01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:25,380
all these people done at Wolf Pan Creek every single summer.

1353
01:56:25,660 --> 01:56:27,600
It was packed all the time, it was fantastic.

1354
01:56:28,460 --> 01:56:31,420
And as the father-in-law of the drummer and bass player

1355
01:56:31,420 --> 01:56:33,960
for the southern backtones located in Houston, Texas.

1356
01:56:34,740 --> 01:56:37,220
I know that we want them to have a lot of work.

1357
01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:42,860
So, and the thing about who to put on there,

1358
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:46,060
musicians are just a different kind of animal.

1359
01:56:46,420 --> 01:56:49,720
They get together and they're gonna know who they want to work

1360
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:51,920
with, who should be working, who you should bring

1361
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:52,780
into your group.

1362
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:53,860
That's why you have jams.

1363
01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:56,900
I mean, they just get together and they get after it.

1364
01:56:58,240 --> 01:57:05,160
So if anyone knows a musician that you'd like to have on there, tell the city manager, but

1365
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:09,640
the musicians will be the ones telling you who they think they should be able to bring in

1366
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:09,860
here.

1367
01:57:09,980 --> 01:57:14,180
And I agree with my colleagues here, man, we need to, we need to get worth paying

1368
01:57:14,180 --> 01:57:15,060
quick rock and again.

1369
01:57:15,060 --> 01:57:19,960
We need to get back with the amps and stop playing.

1370
01:57:20,660 --> 01:57:24,700
So I'm all support and think about hiring this other in back times, but you do a concern

1371
01:57:24,700 --> 01:57:25,360
out there.

1372
01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:34,100
I'm just I'm just after I'm off the council I'm just just I'm excited about this to very

1373
01:57:34,100 --> 01:57:41,600
support if I have been having live music to see locally is something that will just improve

1374
01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:43,780
the quality of life in our town.

1375
01:57:46,360 --> 01:57:51,180
I'm also very excited I went to the medium march I think the

1376
01:57:51,180 --> 01:57:55,200
best thing about this is that it just opens the door for resources that connects us with other places

1377
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:57,300
and it makes it easier for artists to come here

1378
01:57:57,300 --> 01:57:59,040
or not necessarily guaranteed, obviously.

1379
01:57:59,680 --> 01:58:01,200
But it just shows that we're ready and willing

1380
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:03,920
to reinvide culture, back to the conversation

1381
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:05,800
that I feel like existed when I was growing up,

1382
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:06,440
and then went away.

1383
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:07,220
So I'm excited.

1384
01:58:08,940 --> 01:58:10,260
Let me just point to your three comments.

1385
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:12,520
Mr. President, check us understand it.

1386
01:58:13,660 --> 01:58:15,520
I think you got a lot of support for applying

1387
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:16,260
for the certification.

1388
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:18,280
You've got to have an advisory committee

1389
01:58:18,280 --> 01:58:20,120
in order to check the box and do it,

1390
01:58:20,120 --> 01:58:22,960
and we absolutely want an engaged group

1391
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:24,260
to guide and direct this.

1392
01:58:24,260 --> 01:58:32,160
is that the first statement? Sure. Okay, so we've got to check that box. So we need an advisory committee and I think it's a great thing to do.

1393
01:58:32,660 --> 01:58:40,240
I would respectfully disagree with a couple of my colleagues about needing to have this council appoint

1394
01:58:40,240 --> 01:58:45,860
all committees in particularly a committee that's really an advisory committee like this.

1395
01:58:45,860 --> 01:59:08,340
I think it gives it more flexibility, it can be a more responsive committee if it's not tied to some superstructure of our internal advisory committees and the ones that we've been referred to here.

1396
01:59:08,340 --> 01:59:14,080
I just think it makes sense and I would say also if we're not informed about what the tourism

1397
01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:18,580
advisory committee is doing, then we better ask the city manager to bring a report

1398
01:59:18,580 --> 01:59:21,700
to us periodically and find out what they're doing.

1399
01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:27,500
I think we get feedback on budget recommendations and so forth, so I don't feel that

1400
01:59:27,500 --> 01:59:33,780
I'm that far outside the loop, but if we're not getting that, we're no further way than to

1401
01:59:33,780 --> 01:59:37,360
ask the city manager to report to us on what they're doing.

1402
01:59:37,360 --> 01:59:43,500
So, and I frankly think that this is something that the city manager, or his design

1403
01:59:43,500 --> 01:59:49,780
could be the chairman of, not necessarily always a city manager, I don't know how he's

1404
01:59:49,780 --> 01:59:54,360
going to structure that, structure that, but I have faith that it'll be more nimble and

1405
01:59:54,360 --> 01:59:59,220
more flexible and more responsive at that level than it would be if it was a council committee

1406
01:59:59,220 --> 01:59:59,980
but that's...

1407
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,620
Just my view of how we should separate different kinds of committees. I understand this, our well would like to respond to my comments.

1408
02:00:08,240 --> 02:00:11,820
Very briefly, I respectfully disagree. Thank you.

1409
02:00:12,120 --> 02:00:15,460
Very good. You and I would respectfully disagree. That's good.

1410
02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:21,320
So, with that, you need a motion on this.

1411
02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:23,060
Just establish. Yes, sir.

1412
02:00:23,940 --> 02:00:29,060
to read the motion what you want here you want a motion to do what a motion to approve

1413
02:00:29,060 --> 02:00:36,060
the resolution to create the text. There we go yes I'll do I do I have a motion to approve

1414
02:00:36,840 --> 02:00:42,580
that miss Harwell second from Mr. Wright all of the favor I see us yes yes if you'd like

1415
02:00:42,580 --> 02:00:47,540
speak of. Yeah I just want I just would like a clarification if we vote for this and we're voting

1416
02:00:47,540 --> 02:00:53,040
for it being appointed by the city manager it does not have to be on this it does not have

1417
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:59,060
to be a public meeting that people can attend, and right, that's what I think there's

1418
02:00:59,060 --> 02:00:59,520
no other side of it.

1419
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:01,700
That's what I believe is why I was created in the Resolution Correct.

1420
02:01:02,520 --> 02:01:07,440
So that's how we would be setting it up if we adopt this resolution.

1421
02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:12,780
If that doesn't work, we can change it down the road, but that's the motion.

1422
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:18,080
Well, it doesn't preclude us some requiring to have reports come to us from this.

1423
02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:18,960
Oh, no, no.

1424
02:01:19,240 --> 02:01:20,520
I would hope not, of course.

1425
02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:27,720
And nor does it preclude anyone making recommendations to sit and staff about people that they like to have on it.

1426
02:01:27,940 --> 02:01:34,320
It does not in, in Comber that committee to do the kinds of things that that have been mentioned here.

1427
02:01:34,500 --> 02:01:42,000
But I think that's not, not something that I think we need to in Comber this committee with.

1428
02:01:42,260 --> 02:01:46,300
So let's proceed with the voting if I don't see anything more on that.

1429
02:01:46,340 --> 02:01:48,340
All those in favor say aye and raise your hand.

1430
02:01:48,340 --> 02:01:54,800
aye. Opposed. Motion carries six to one. Thank you.

1431
02:01:58,970 --> 02:02:01,710
Okay. Next item. Public hearing,

1432
02:02:02,330 --> 02:02:09,170
presentation, discussion, possible action on an ordinance vacating and abandoning 0.058

1433
02:02:09,170 --> 02:02:17,390
acre portion of right away. Terminal located between LOTS 5 6 and 7, a block one of southeast

1434
02:02:17,390 --> 02:02:24,390
College Park subdivision, also known as 802 Dexter Drive, Mr. Parker Matthews.

1435
02:02:25,670 --> 02:02:28,810
Good evening, Councilmember Sparker Matthews, Staff Engineer with Planning and Development.

1436
02:02:36,850 --> 02:02:38,010
We might be doing this well, slides.

1437
02:02:39,550 --> 02:02:40,830
802 was not loaded.

1438
02:02:43,810 --> 02:02:45,150
902 was not loaded.

1439
02:02:46,270 --> 02:02:48,190
Okay, it's all right, we have no slides, I guess.

1440
02:02:48,190 --> 02:02:49,310
I'm sorry, what's problem?

1441
02:02:51,580 --> 02:02:53,200
Powerpoint 9 points.

1442
02:02:53,200 --> 02:02:55,780
wasn't loaded on, so you don't have a PowerPoint.

1443
02:02:56,300 --> 02:02:58,020
We'll carry on.

1444
02:02:58,360 --> 02:03:02,080
Montenice agenda is a customer of men and men in the city right of way.

1445
02:03:02,360 --> 02:03:04,780
Ken, can we can we get it loaded?

1446
02:03:07,320 --> 02:03:12,440
I then go to 9.3 and come back to 9.2.

1447
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:18,760
As it been sent, I'll maybe break.

1448
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:23,000
Yeah, I think we'd like to see the presentation.

1449
02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:25,960
I think I've got it.

1450
02:03:28,280 --> 02:03:32,180
Okay, we're going to take a five minute break while he gets his presentation.

1451
02:03:32,680 --> 02:03:34,440
It's time to have a break anyway.

1452
02:03:35,380 --> 02:03:37,500
So we are in recess for five minutes.

1453
02:03:57,980 --> 02:04:02,060
9.2, which is public hearing, presentation, discussion,

1454
02:04:03,080 --> 02:04:10,110
possible action on an ordinance vacating and abandoning a 0.58 acre portion of right away.

1455
02:04:10,110 --> 02:04:22,890
generally located between lots 5, 6 and 7 of the block one of the South East College Park Subdivision also known as 802 Dexter Drive and Mr. Parker Matthews will present.

1456
02:04:23,810 --> 02:04:27,130
Good evening council members, Parker Matthews, Staff Engineer at Planning and Development.

1457
02:04:28,170 --> 02:04:37,190
On tonight's agenda is a request for abandonment of city right-of-way. This abandonment is being requested by the applicant to remediate a discrepancy between lot lines and ownership lines.

1458
02:04:37,190 --> 02:04:41,870
The original orientation of this property included a 15-foot alley.

1459
02:04:42,310 --> 02:04:46,630
However, the plot does not reflect the currently developed condition of the property.

1460
02:04:48,230 --> 02:04:52,950
This discrepancy was identified as the replat of the area came in for review.

1461
02:04:54,070 --> 02:04:59,090
The purpose of this abandonment is to remove the existing city right away from the already developed lot.

1462
02:04:59,590 --> 02:05:02,390
No utilities or sea infrastructure is within the area to be abandoned.

1463
02:05:03,590 --> 02:05:06,050
I have available for any questions if you have any.

1464
02:05:06,590 --> 02:05:10,770
So, as I understand, discrepancy was they filed it with a county, but not the city.

1465
02:05:10,870 --> 02:05:12,830
I believe so.

1466
02:05:13,070 --> 02:05:14,030
Way back when?

1467
02:05:14,050 --> 02:05:14,590
Way back when.

1468
02:05:15,570 --> 02:05:17,290
So that is a legacy, legacy issue.

1469
02:05:17,690 --> 02:05:20,550
And somebody built a house and nobody knew till now.

1470
02:05:20,790 --> 02:05:21,650
It's a cleanup operation.

1471
02:05:21,850 --> 02:05:22,730
Thank you.

1472
02:05:23,090 --> 02:05:23,530
Questions?

1473
02:05:27,070 --> 02:05:28,170
Yes, Mr. Mooney?

1474
02:05:28,370 --> 02:05:29,450
I don't have a question so much.

1475
02:05:29,950 --> 02:05:30,910
I said, this is in 55.

1476
02:05:31,530 --> 02:05:33,230
So the reason why that alleyway was there.

1477
02:05:33,250 --> 02:05:34,410
But that was in the past.

1478
02:05:34,410 --> 02:05:38,970
We had a lot of trash pick up behind our houses, and that's why that alleyway was there.

1479
02:05:39,410 --> 02:05:43,650
So all we're doing is, so we no longer do that, we have nothing else in there.

1480
02:05:43,810 --> 02:05:47,810
There's no water sewer and no gas, so yeah,

1481
02:05:50,150 --> 02:05:52,770
what a mess, thank you.

1482
02:05:53,590 --> 02:05:57,950
Any other questions? Okay, this is a public hearing.

1483
02:05:58,270 --> 02:06:04,250
Is anyone assigned to speak? I'll open the public hearing. No one has signed up to speak on this item.

1484
02:06:05,210 --> 02:06:10,650
I will close the public hearing and move to the Willow Council, move to approve Mayor Nichols.

1485
02:06:10,990 --> 02:06:19,130
Motion by Mr. Nancy, second by Mr. Harrel, to approve this proposal. All those in favor say aye.

1486
02:06:19,210 --> 02:06:19,730
Aye.

1487
02:06:20,070 --> 02:06:20,590
Opposed.

1488
02:06:20,950 --> 02:06:21,950
Motion carries unanimously.

1489
02:06:22,210 --> 02:06:23,830
Thank you, Mr. Matthews.

1490
02:06:23,930 --> 02:06:25,370
Appreciate you bringing it to us.

1491
02:06:27,030 --> 02:06:30,010
And our engineer could leave as well.

1492
02:06:30,010 --> 02:06:32,330
I won't go too far, Mr. Armstrong.

1493
02:06:35,610 --> 02:06:38,770
We got another interesting little one, little later on.

1494
02:06:39,290 --> 02:06:43,310
Okay, 9.3 presentation discussion,

1495
02:06:43,530 --> 02:06:45,510
possible action regarding an ordinance

1496
02:06:45,510 --> 02:06:47,530
amending, appendix A, a unified

1497
02:06:47,530 --> 02:06:50,010
development ordinance, article 4,

1498
02:06:50,150 --> 02:06:52,350
zoning districts section 4.2,

1499
02:06:52,370 --> 02:06:54,230
official zoning map of the code of

1500
02:06:54,230 --> 02:06:54,610
ordinance of city,

1501
02:06:54,790 --> 02:06:55,610
documentation, taxes.

1502
02:06:56,430 --> 02:06:58,190
By changing the zoning district boundary

1503
02:06:58,190 --> 02:07:05,470
from GS General Suburban to PDD Plan Development District for approximately 2.799 acres located

1504
02:07:05,470 --> 02:07:11,310
at 1115 Anderson Street, generally located at the intersection of Anderson Street and

1505
02:07:11,310 --> 02:07:15,450
climate street east of Hollmann Drive, Mr. Gabriel Schrum.

1506
02:07:16,730 --> 02:07:20,290
Good evening Mayor and council members, Gabriel Schrum, planning and development services.

1507
02:07:21,130 --> 02:07:27,010
Visivians request is to reason 1115 Anderson Street in approximately 2.8 acre undeveloped

1508
02:07:27,010 --> 02:07:30,290
lot located at Anderson Street across from Climit Court.

1509
02:07:31,650 --> 02:07:33,430
The land with enclosed proximity to this property

1510
02:07:33,430 --> 02:07:36,370
include multifamily developments to the north and west,

1511
02:07:36,850 --> 02:07:38,990
single-family residential, to the south

1512
02:07:38,990 --> 02:07:41,570
across Anderson Street and duplexes to the east.

1513
02:07:43,210 --> 02:07:44,550
This property's conference of land use

1514
02:07:44,550 --> 02:07:47,150
is urban residential, and is stated in the conference of plan

1515
02:07:47,150 --> 02:07:49,290
that urban residential areas are appropriate

1516
02:07:49,290 --> 02:07:51,990
for a range of high density, multifamily,

1517
02:07:52,130 --> 02:07:53,850
and attached residential developments.

1518
02:07:54,710 --> 02:07:56,390
In various forms including town homes,

1519
02:07:56,390 --> 02:08:02,310
apartment buildings, mixed use buildings, and limited non-residential uses that are compatible with this

1520
02:08:02,310 --> 02:08:07,530
surrounding area. This slide shows the existing zoning of General Suburban and the

1521
02:08:07,530 --> 02:08:12,810
proposed zoning of PDD with a based, a multifamily zoning with modifications that I'll speak

1522
02:08:12,810 --> 02:08:18,470
to you more in a moment. I did want to provide a bit of clear clarification of this intended use

1523
02:08:18,470 --> 02:08:23,070
on the property, a limited potential will be providing housing and a number of resources to help

1524
02:08:23,070 --> 02:08:28,310
individuals who are in or aged out of the foster system and looked at transition into adulthood.

1525
02:08:28,870 --> 02:08:32,110
This will be through a number of different ways other than just housing, but I believe

1526
02:08:32,110 --> 02:08:35,690
the applicant can speak to the specifics of that attended use if you guys would like to.

1527
02:08:36,710 --> 02:08:39,490
This slide shows the concept plan for the unlimited potential development,

1528
02:08:40,070 --> 02:08:43,810
but some of the approximate building areas, parking areas, and green areas.

1529
02:08:44,550 --> 02:08:50,030
The proposed concept plan will increase the landscaping and streetscaping amount by 30% more than

1530
02:08:50,030 --> 02:08:50,830
is required.

1531
02:08:52,950 --> 02:08:56,810
The applicant is asking for the following modifications of this proposed PDD.

1532
02:08:57,630 --> 02:09:01,770
The first modification is reduction to the minimum number of dual units per acre,

1533
02:09:02,190 --> 02:09:07,530
from 12 dual units per acre to 3 based on section 5.2 of the UDO.

1534
02:09:08,350 --> 02:09:12,790
The second modification is reduction to the parking ratio, from a required one space per

1535
02:09:12,790 --> 02:09:17,510
bedroom for multi-family developments, to one parking space for the first bedroom and a half

1536
02:09:17,510 --> 02:09:22,710
space for each additional bedroom based on section 7.38 of the Unified Development

1537
02:09:22,710 --> 02:09:23,430
Ordnance.

1538
02:09:24,210 --> 02:09:28,190
The applicant will be providing community benefit of an additional 2 points per street

1539
02:09:28,190 --> 02:09:32,290
scalping segment length along Anderson Street, which will change that points required from

1540
02:09:32,290 --> 02:09:35,650
6 to 8 points per linear feet of frontage.

1541
02:09:36,170 --> 02:09:40,410
They also provide additional 10 points per 1,000 square feet of disturb area for the site's

1542
02:09:40,410 --> 02:09:45,630
landscaping points, which will change that required amount from 30 points to 40 points per

1543
02:09:45,630 --> 02:09:47,910
that 1,000 square feet of disturbed side area.

1544
02:09:48,290 --> 02:09:51,130
This would be the equivalent of adding 16 total trees,

1545
02:09:51,410 --> 02:09:53,050
that would be eight trees for the streetscaping,

1546
02:09:53,270 --> 02:09:55,110
and then eight trees for the landscaping.

1547
02:09:56,390 --> 02:09:58,290
In conclusion, I received no context,

1548
02:09:58,290 --> 02:10:00,250
no context concerning this proposal.

1549
02:10:00,970 --> 02:10:02,670
Staff recommends approval of this rezoning

1550
02:10:02,670 --> 02:10:04,110
and proposed concept plan

1551
02:10:04,110 --> 02:10:06,370
as it is aligned with the comprehensive plan

1552
02:10:06,370 --> 02:10:08,070
and is entitled to the proposed use.

1553
02:10:08,630 --> 02:10:10,250
This item was heard at the October 5th

1554
02:10:10,250 --> 02:10:11,390
planning and zoning meeting

1555
02:10:11,390 --> 02:10:13,390
where they recommended approval 50.

1556
02:10:14,110 --> 02:10:19,270
with that. I'll conclude my presentation. I'm available for any questions as is the applicant.

1557
02:10:19,710 --> 02:10:20,270
I'm Israel.

1558
02:10:21,750 --> 02:10:27,270
Thank you for that presentation. I noticed on the side it says abandonment.

1559
02:10:28,970 --> 02:10:33,370
What is yours is public hearing slash abandonment? What is that about?

1560
02:10:33,610 --> 02:10:36,790
Yes, ma'am. I can actually let the engineer speak to that.

1561
02:10:38,480 --> 02:10:45,880
Gillian settler-point development services, so that abandonment in the top-left corner that is set to

1562
02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:51,520
go before you for public hearing and ultimate final action on November 9th.

1563
02:10:52,780 --> 02:11:01,360
Quick preview, that is the where the overhead electrical lines that previously served the building that

1564
02:11:01,360 --> 02:11:06,920
didn't just no longer on the lot. So that was demolished with the lot, the pullers are moved and it

1565
02:11:06,920 --> 02:11:11,040
determined that this proposed use would be best served underground.

1566
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:22,820
Thank you very much. Ms. Guuna. Yes, I just would like, I'm just curious, since this is a PDD,

1567
02:11:23,180 --> 02:11:26,120
if at some point they sold the property with those modifications,

1568
02:11:26,620 --> 02:11:29,920
revert back to the original 12 and original parking requirements.

1569
02:11:30,180 --> 02:11:33,000
So it run with the property? The PDD runs with the property?

1570
02:11:33,120 --> 02:11:38,220
Yes, ma'am. So we would be permanently reducing the density on a lot that's

1571
02:11:38,220 --> 02:11:39,920
than two miles of the university?

1572
02:11:40,660 --> 02:11:42,400
Unless it would be resound to something else, yes.

1573
02:11:42,660 --> 02:11:43,300
Thank you.

1574
02:11:46,510 --> 02:11:47,270
Any other questions?

1575
02:11:47,270 --> 02:11:50,350
Anyone wish to hear from the applicant or not?

1576
02:11:53,370 --> 02:11:57,430
Is the applicant here wish Mr. Schultz do you want to say?

1577
02:11:57,630 --> 02:12:01,090
Do you have a question for him or just need to run over something

1578
02:12:04,290 --> 02:12:05,330
brief

1579
02:12:05,330 --> 02:12:07,050
introduction as to Schultz behind?

1580
02:12:10,070 --> 02:12:19,930
Just here to answer any questions, you know, 12 units per acre, there's no way this organization is going to put 36 units on the ground or 35 units on the ground.

1581
02:12:21,490 --> 02:12:33,870
We've got room to add more parking, so I mean it likely could change hands down the road, but now it's trying to get to momentum gets first three units on there and help this organization move along.

1582
02:12:33,870 --> 02:12:35,730
That answer questions.

1583
02:12:36,010 --> 02:12:37,490
Mr. Harrell has some questions.

1584
02:12:37,970 --> 02:12:41,270
So when you said this organization, can you be a little bit more specific?

1585
02:12:41,310 --> 02:12:45,870
Unlimited potential owns this property and they're doing the development of it.

1586
02:12:47,270 --> 02:12:48,310
This flag is back there.

1587
02:12:48,310 --> 02:12:50,010
That actually represents the organization.

1588
02:12:51,190 --> 02:12:54,010
When you turn 18, you can no longer live in a foster home.

1589
02:12:54,690 --> 02:12:59,210
So there's numerous adults in this community that have no home, no car.

1590
02:12:59,610 --> 02:13:01,830
And they need a place to stay in place to get educated

1591
02:13:01,830 --> 02:13:06,470
and to get all kinds of help, the Elm limit,

1592
02:13:06,510 --> 02:13:09,630
Tensil Bloom, they're office here also.

1593
02:13:14,900 --> 02:13:17,300
So you can fly past President of Unlimited Potential.

1594
02:13:18,260 --> 02:13:20,760
Ted Randall, current president of Elm Limited Potential.

1595
02:13:21,260 --> 02:13:22,120
Thank you for being here.

1596
02:13:22,260 --> 02:13:27,180
I know you presented to us more financial conceptual stage

1597
02:13:27,180 --> 02:13:30,040
much earlier, and this is the current proposal

1598
02:13:30,040 --> 02:13:34,080
that's being presented to us correct for this purpose.

1599
02:13:35,020 --> 02:13:44,360
I would like to say that we own the property outright, when we talked to you last, we still had to pay off alone, and that's been done.

1600
02:13:45,220 --> 02:13:53,840
And the city paid for the, the for the, reimbursed you for the demolition of existing building last year.

1601
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:53,880
Yeah.

1602
02:13:55,140 --> 02:13:56,180
Now, okay, Mr. Rale.

1603
02:13:56,400 --> 02:13:59,380
I know you made several presentations to us.

1604
02:13:59,480 --> 02:14:06,520
The first one was specifically for those young people, 18 years old, that were terming

1605
02:14:06,520 --> 02:14:10,060
a, I mean, you know, they were graduating from high school, and had nowhere to go.

1606
02:14:10,400 --> 02:14:17,200
Then the next time you presented to us, it was, it was 23 years old plus kids.

1607
02:14:17,660 --> 02:14:19,300
So what is your mark?

1608
02:14:19,300 --> 02:14:22,440
These are kids, has nothing to do with their schooling.

1609
02:14:22,740 --> 02:14:27,720
It has to do with the fact that they are aging out of the foster system at the age of 18.

1610
02:14:28,080 --> 02:14:32,460
We work with them from the age of 18 up to the time that they turn 26.

1611
02:14:34,080 --> 02:14:37,560
That's been our bylaws the whole time.

1612
02:14:38,140 --> 02:14:39,040
That is never changed.

1613
02:14:43,540 --> 02:14:44,360
Any other questions?

1614
02:14:45,740 --> 02:14:46,320
Mr. Morning.

1615
02:14:47,860 --> 02:14:50,840
Jack, when you talk about work with him, you're talking about counseling, you're talking

1616
02:14:50,840 --> 02:14:56,860
about mentoring them, you're talking about being able to budget, how to work, how to work

1617
02:14:56,860 --> 02:14:59,980
at a job and learning job skills as well, is that not right?

1618
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:03,360
Yes, and housing. And of course, housing, yeah.

1619
02:15:03,640 --> 02:15:09,680
But we've also worked with them. A lot of the kids come without any paperwork whatsoever, no social security.

1620
02:15:10,660 --> 02:15:22,860
Some have immigration issues, some have legal issues. And we deal with them with that. We've got a lawyer in town who's helping us pro bono with a lot of that work.

1621
02:15:22,900 --> 02:15:27,800
And we also got a grant from the Texas State Bar Association.

1622
02:15:28,700 --> 02:15:36,900
You're doing the things that children that are raised by parents that are at home, normally take care of and so it's a very important job that you're doing.

1623
02:15:36,900 --> 02:15:38,580
Beyond that with the legal issues.

1624
02:15:38,740 --> 02:15:39,400
Yeah, of course.

1625
02:15:40,060 --> 02:15:42,480
Well, some of us as parents have had that too, so.

1626
02:15:44,340 --> 02:15:44,920
Mr. Nancy.

1627
02:15:45,180 --> 02:15:45,960
Thank you, Mayor Nichols.

1628
02:15:46,120 --> 02:15:49,380
Ma'am, the budget's pretty tied on this project, is it not?

1629
02:15:50,640 --> 02:15:52,900
Yes, we do not have all the money yet.

1630
02:15:53,500 --> 02:15:56,040
Could I address Joe real quick?

1631
02:15:58,100 --> 02:15:59,980
Joe, thanks for your work on this project.

1632
02:16:00,400 --> 02:16:06,580
And the event that this rezoning passes tonight, your order of battle, what's next?

1633
02:16:06,640 --> 02:16:08,140
Would you be applying for the permit?

1634
02:16:08,800 --> 02:16:10,750
We have done the abandonment.

1635
02:16:11,420 --> 02:16:12,060
We have a plat.

1636
02:16:12,080 --> 02:16:13,440
This property was never plat.

1637
02:16:13,740 --> 02:16:15,880
So we have a plat that's almost approved.

1638
02:16:16,140 --> 02:16:20,080
We'll get it filed because you need that to get the site plan approved and the building permit.

1639
02:16:20,080 --> 02:16:27,640
We've been, we were working on phase one, which is three buildings in the parking and the utilities to make those three buildings.

1640
02:16:29,080 --> 02:16:31,380
And they're more waiting on me than I am waiting on them.

1641
02:16:31,820 --> 02:16:39,080
So are you parking and the building permit fees coming up pretty soon?

1642
02:16:39,660 --> 02:16:40,620
A process?

1643
02:16:41,320 --> 02:16:45,460
Yes, we've, they've paid the flat fees, the rezoning fee, the abandonment fees.

1644
02:16:45,880 --> 02:16:48,980
We'll be turning the site plan fee and development permit fee.

1645
02:16:48,980 --> 02:16:56,180
I'm building permit, I'm not we just she just text Jim Singleton today just kind of see where the building design was.

1646
02:16:57,240 --> 02:17:03,980
And so I've deferred to the mayor for for this next question. I've been approached by a member of the board about the possibility.

1647
02:17:03,980 --> 02:17:12,860
And parking and building permit fees being waived when Mayor Nichols would be an appropriate

1648
02:17:14,320 --> 02:17:20,000
time for that subject to be wrote instead of the possibility of that happening.

1649
02:17:20,940 --> 02:17:25,740
That's not part of this application, so I can't tell you that it would have to be something else,

1650
02:17:26,920 --> 02:17:32,180
that it would have to be applied through staff and it would have to come back to us at

1651
02:17:32,180 --> 02:17:35,400
other point, but we can't deal with tonight. It's not on the agenda.

1652
02:17:37,400 --> 02:17:41,920
I thought that was the case. I just wanted to get it on the record. Thank you, Mayor

1653
02:17:41,920 --> 02:17:42,340
Neckles.

1654
02:17:44,280 --> 02:17:51,480
I would add that. I really, very much like this revised approach, because it is a phase

1655
02:17:51,480 --> 02:17:58,720
approach. I understand having donated to lots of nonprofits, the difficulties of raising

1656
02:17:58,720 --> 02:18:02,880
a bunch of capital to get the whole thing done once, and this makes a lot of sense to

1657
02:18:02,880 --> 02:18:04,000
me to do it in phases.

1658
02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:11,000
I certainly understand that it is changing density in this area, but it is an important

1659
02:18:12,220 --> 02:18:19,740
non-profit center that I think city college station needs to support some of.

1660
02:18:19,840 --> 02:18:27,140
We talked about that and debated a lot in the earlier application, so I certainly support it.

1661
02:18:27,140 --> 02:18:33,560
I don't have any comments on anything that was raised by Mr. Nancy, but I'm certainly supportive of this.

1662
02:18:33,720 --> 02:18:37,720
I see planning a zoning support of it as well. Any other questions?

1663
02:18:40,090 --> 02:18:42,770
Seeing none. This is a public hearing.

1664
02:18:45,210 --> 02:18:48,790
I will open a public hearing and no one has signed up to speak.

1665
02:18:49,110 --> 02:18:59,970
We've heard from the applicant and we've heard from staff. I will close the public hearing and move to the

1666
02:18:59,970 --> 02:19:04,030
Mr. Maloney, second. All those favors say aye.

1667
02:19:04,790 --> 02:19:11,610
Opposed. Motion carries unanimously. If there's other issues that you want to bring to us, then that'd be a separate issue.

1668
02:19:12,210 --> 02:19:21,070
Thank you. Okay. Moving on now, we've got an interesting group of motions of items.

1669
02:19:23,430 --> 02:19:31,330
I'm going to introduce Mr. Ostrowski, who's going to lead us through this, but I will just give a little

1670
02:19:31,330 --> 02:19:35,790
preface. I've got to read all of the statements here in a minute.

1671
02:19:37,870 --> 02:19:46,950
We're going to open 9.4 through 9.7 except for 9.7E, which we're going to separate out.

1672
02:19:46,950 --> 02:19:53,150
We will have a, as I understand it, one staff presentation and one public hearing.

1673
02:19:53,930 --> 02:19:58,790
Mr. Ostowski, do you want me to read the captions for the four items that we're opening?

1674
02:19:59,530 --> 02:20:03,570
You can read the, the based captions and then just indicate for the properties listed on the agenda.

1675
02:20:06,110 --> 02:20:11,850
Item 9.4, public hearing presentation, discussion, possible action regarding the, an audience amending,

1676
02:20:11,850 --> 02:20:19,350
Appendix A, UDO, Article 4 is owning district section 4.2 official zoning map of the

1677
02:20:19,350 --> 02:20:24,050
code of ordinances of the city of Cali Station, Texas by changing the zoning district

1678
02:20:24,050 --> 02:20:31,350
boundaries for a list of properties A through F, which are in the agenda.

1679
02:20:31,830 --> 02:20:33,850
That's item 9.4.

1680
02:20:36,210 --> 02:20:42,570
Item 9.5 is a public hearing presentation discussion, possible action regarding an ordinance

1681
02:20:42,570 --> 02:20:50,230
demanding appendix A unified development ordinance section 6.3 types of use of the code

1682
02:20:50,230 --> 02:20:55,030
of ordinances of the City College Station Texas for modifications to the shared housing

1683
02:20:55,030 --> 02:21:04,640
use in the at middle housing MH zoning district item 9.6 public hearing presentation discussion

1684
02:21:04,640 --> 02:21:09,800
in possible action regarding an ordinance amending appendix A unified development ordinance

1685
02:21:09,800 --> 02:21:14,980
This is an article for zoning districts, section 4.2 official zoning map of the Code of

1686
02:21:14,980 --> 02:21:16,860
Ordnance of the City College Station, Texas.

1687
02:21:17,700 --> 02:21:24,140
By changing the zoning district boundaries as follows, and a list of properties A through

1688
02:21:24,140 --> 02:21:25,080
K.

1689
02:21:29,700 --> 02:21:31,580
Item 9.7,

1690
02:21:39,740 --> 02:21:42,740
public hearing presentation discussion, possible action regarding an ordinance

1691
02:21:42,740 --> 02:21:47,980
amending, appendix A, unified development ordinance, article for his own district section

1692
02:21:47,980 --> 02:21:51,520
four point two officials on the map of the code of ordinance of city of

1693
02:21:51,520 --> 02:21:54,800
college tuition taxes by changing the zoning district boundaries.

1694
02:21:56,480 --> 02:22:02,260
Properties listed a through I except for E.

1695
02:22:05,690 --> 02:22:07,150
Okay, so we open those items

1696
02:22:07,150 --> 02:22:15,150
except for seven E. And I will open the floor to Mr. Austrowski to make

1697
02:22:15,150 --> 02:22:18,710
the presentation for staff. All right. Thank you, Mayor. Good evening, Mayor.

1698
02:22:18,710 --> 02:22:21,930
City Council, Michael Ostrowski, Director of Planning and Development Services.

1699
02:22:22,950 --> 02:22:28,790
The item this evening or items this evening all relate to the city initiated process to

1700
02:22:28,790 --> 02:22:34,450
resume several properties within the city from their base zone in classification to the

1701
02:22:34,450 --> 02:22:40,790
middle housing zoning district and or a middle housing with a high occupancy overlay.

1702
02:22:41,650 --> 02:22:45,510
In total there are 26 different areas up for consideration this evening.

1703
02:22:45,510 --> 02:22:54,730
There's about 363 acres in this and about 1753 properties moving forward with this resounding request.

1704
02:22:55,270 --> 02:22:59,730
Ultimately, this is the goal of this is to increase the housing supply within the community.

1705
02:23:00,310 --> 02:23:02,750
We're seeing significant increase in population.

1706
02:23:03,450 --> 02:23:09,170
And this is just one strategy to help achieve that vision and that goal to achieve that housing supply.

1707
02:23:09,170 --> 02:23:16,350
This process started about a year ago when the city approved the middle housing zoning district, as well as created the shared housing use.

1708
02:23:16,930 --> 02:23:19,290
From there, we had workshops with the city council.

1709
02:23:20,090 --> 02:23:24,630
We created a working group to identify potential areas that may be appropriate for these rezoning.

1710
02:23:25,110 --> 02:23:30,310
We did a number of public engagement efforts, and especially over the summer of this past year.

1711
02:23:30,450 --> 02:23:32,510
We had a lot of media coverage on this.

1712
02:23:32,590 --> 02:23:37,170
Based on the feedback that we had received over the summer, we made some modifications.

1713
02:23:37,170 --> 02:23:43,050
We removed some areas, we modified some areas, made them smaller, but more importantly, we had a large modification

1714
02:23:43,050 --> 02:23:49,670
and that we amended the ordinance to create what was called the high occupancy overlay, which would then allow us to

1715
02:23:49,670 --> 02:23:51,870
remove shared housing, which is on here tonight.

1716
02:23:52,130 --> 02:23:57,190
Fundamental housing zoning district, except where a high occupancy overlay is over the base,

1717
02:23:57,510 --> 02:23:58,290
zoning on that.

1718
02:23:59,270 --> 02:24:04,270
So we brought these properties and these initiatives before you back in August,

1719
02:24:04,270 --> 02:24:17,970
I took that direction and then started the official zoning process with these four items, so item 9.4 is the rezoning of areas where at least one property within the area has already been zoned a middle housing.

1720
02:24:18,570 --> 02:24:29,510
So you may recall we had a number of different privately initiated rezoning request in middle housing, so item 9.4 relates to areas that include those properties.

1721
02:24:29,510 --> 02:24:38,550
item 9.5 is in order to remove shared housing from middle housing and then items 9.6 is a

1722
02:24:38,550 --> 02:24:44,370
rezoning to rezoned properties from the group-based zoning district to middle housing with a high

1723
02:24:44,370 --> 02:24:51,790
occupancy overlay and then items 9.7 are just the rezoning for properties to middle housing without the high occupancy

1724
02:24:51,790 --> 02:24:53,130
So

1725
02:25:04,070 --> 02:25:14,610
what I thought I did tonight is kind of work through these areas on the maps that you've seen previously through several of the engagement series.

1726
02:25:14,730 --> 02:25:17,690
The workshops that we've been in before you.

1727
02:25:17,750 --> 02:25:23,890
So I'll walk through the five different areas of consideration and kind of identify the properties up for rezoning.

1728
02:25:23,890 --> 02:25:28,890
So on these maps, the any areas outlined in orange would be

1729
02:25:28,890 --> 02:25:33,310
rezoning to just middle housing, any areas outlined in purple would be

1730
02:25:33,310 --> 02:25:37,050
middle housing with the high occupancy overlay and then any areas outlined

1731
02:25:37,050 --> 02:25:40,850
in pink are just moving to high occupancy overlay because the base zoning

1732
02:25:40,850 --> 02:25:44,610
district that those properties currently have does allow for that high

1733
02:25:44,610 --> 02:25:49,410
occupancy overlay and then as a request we got was to identify all the

1734
02:25:49,410 --> 02:25:53,010
properties that are currently on the rental registration so all of the

1735
02:25:53,010 --> 02:25:55,410
of all dots on these maps or properties that are currently

1736
02:25:55,410 --> 02:25:56,850
rental registered properties.

1737
02:25:58,730 --> 02:26:01,910
So with this particular map, you know,

1738
02:26:02,010 --> 02:26:04,230
areas B1 and B2 are along Coonestreet.

1739
02:26:04,430 --> 02:26:08,470
We've seen several privately initiated cases coming through there.

1740
02:26:08,570 --> 02:26:11,090
Those would be areas that would be dedicated for, you know,

1741
02:26:11,150 --> 02:26:14,470
housing with the high occupancy overlay area D.

1742
02:26:15,010 --> 02:26:16,270
We have had one rezoning.

1743
02:26:16,270 --> 02:26:20,910
This is the area by live oak and an ash street, kind of right off

1744
02:26:20,910 --> 02:26:27,290
of the Texas and university drive corridors, which is also in the area for our recently adopted

1745
02:26:27,290 --> 02:26:28,870
northeast gateway plan.

1746
02:26:29,270 --> 02:26:37,310
Area D is a stretch along linking Avenue, then areas FGN-H, our areas along Dominic, kind

1747
02:26:37,310 --> 02:26:43,050
of a single rural Dominic, and then area eyes is along University Oaks, all of these areas

1748
02:26:43,050 --> 02:26:48,770
on this map are scheduled to be proposed to go to the middle housing zoning district with

1749
02:26:48,770 --> 02:26:53,910
high occupancy overlay which would allow shared housing units within these particular properties.

1750
02:26:57,620 --> 02:27:01,420
Matt number two, in this area you've had a mix of those.

1751
02:27:01,740 --> 02:27:03,900
So area J is along a rural court.

1752
02:27:04,060 --> 02:27:10,140
You may recall this entire area was taken through privately initiated request.

1753
02:27:10,500 --> 02:27:14,360
All we're doing with that one is establishing the high occupancy overlay so that when we remove

1754
02:27:14,360 --> 02:27:18,560
of housing for middle housing if that is approved tonight, that they still would be able to

1755
02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:25,200
allow to have the shared housing units continue in that property areas, L and N are just

1756
02:27:25,200 --> 02:27:30,900
slated to go to a middle housing zoning district. We did modify some areas for a directional

1757
02:27:30,900 --> 02:27:36,080
on lemon tree, as we had some concerns with the infrastructure and comes to street infrastructure

1758
02:27:36,080 --> 02:27:41,720
and being able to turn around our emergency and or sanitation trucks. So adding more density

1759
02:27:41,720 --> 02:27:44,180
could have exacerbated that problem.

1760
02:27:44,460 --> 02:27:46,720
Area M is along Pine Ridge.

1761
02:27:47,240 --> 02:27:49,360
It's actually just adjacent to area that you move forward

1762
02:27:49,360 --> 02:27:51,480
with the rezoning for unlimited potential.

1763
02:27:52,180 --> 02:27:55,240
There's also some multi-family along in that area.

1764
02:27:55,720 --> 02:27:57,280
And then jumping across Texas Avenue,

1765
02:27:58,760 --> 02:28:04,680
areas PQRST, larger area, slated to go to both middle housing

1766
02:28:04,680 --> 02:28:06,280
with the high occupancy overlay,

1767
02:28:06,280 --> 02:28:14,980
same thing for area W and then stepping back for areas you and V as you get more towards the the outline area there is

1768
02:28:14,980 --> 02:28:21,170
Just going to middle housing and then area X that is the item that we'll be discussing under 9.7 E

1769
02:28:24,670 --> 02:28:31,370
That number three includes three different areas area Y and the south side area where we've seen a lot of

1770
02:28:31,370 --> 02:28:32,570
the shared housing structures

1771
02:28:32,570 --> 02:28:38,570
being built. That area is slated to go to middle housing with the high occupancy overlay

1772
02:28:38,570 --> 02:28:44,790
on a survey area Z. A lot of the structures are already built to kind of that shared housing

1773
02:28:44,790 --> 02:28:50,670
type use to go into both the middle housing with the high occupancy overlay and then swish

1774
02:28:50,670 --> 02:28:56,850
and shallay courts area BB just having that area go to middle housing.

1775
02:28:59,800 --> 02:29:07,960
Not number four includes three different areas and this is kind of south of Harvey Mitchell by Navarro, Sam Sabba,

1776
02:29:08,820 --> 02:29:15,400
DD and FF all slated to go to just middle housing and not include the high occupancy overlay.

1777
02:29:15,860 --> 02:29:28,040
This was an area that we did receive a lot of comments through the public engagement and concerns with the shared housing, which was one of the reasons why we did not move forward with shared housing in these locations.

1778
02:29:28,040 --> 02:29:37,030
And then finally, area five, this is West of 2154, mainly around the barracks.

1779
02:29:37,150 --> 02:29:40,930
The barracks development is a PDD, so it has its own kind of zoning classification.

1780
02:29:41,290 --> 02:29:46,670
So we weren't moving forward with changing that, but all of these areas identified on

1781
02:29:46,670 --> 02:29:51,530
the screen would be slated to go to middle housing with the high occupancy overlay.

1782
02:29:52,430 --> 02:29:56,130
Staff had originally come forward with HH and IIS, just potentially middle housing,

1783
02:29:59,710 --> 02:29:59,710
and

1784
02:29:59,710 --> 02:29:59,970
haha

1785
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:08,140
Occupancy Overlay. Over those properties as a number of those units, do have some five-bedroom units in there, so we did move forward with those.

1786
02:30:12,020 --> 02:30:29,420
So again, overall, 26 areas, legislative for resigning, 1753 lots, 363 acres, breaking it out with just middle housing. There's 146 acres, legislative for resigning with 623 lots, for middle housing and who?

1787
02:30:29,420 --> 02:30:33,560
There's two hundred and seventeen acres and about 1100 and 30 lots.

1788
02:30:34,420 --> 02:30:38,980
So with any rezoning, we go through the rezoning criteria and we've provided a rezoning

1789
02:30:38,980 --> 02:30:43,820
criteria review of each one of these areas within your packet, but more general terms

1790
02:30:43,820 --> 02:30:48,020
of go through them, whether the purpose is consistent with the comprehensive plan, the need

1791
02:30:48,020 --> 02:30:53,420
for additional density within the community to address some of the housing shortages that

1792
02:30:53,420 --> 02:30:59,000
we're seeing, the land use is appropriate for all of these properties in that their mixed residential

1793
02:30:59,000 --> 02:31:05,180
So number two, whether the use is permitted and have either proposed zoning districts would be appropriate in the context of the surrounding area.

1794
02:31:05,600 --> 02:31:10,240
As we looked at these, in which areas were going to middle housing and which areas were going to middle housing with the who.

1795
02:31:10,780 --> 02:31:18,300
The context of the surrounding area was it was greatly considered with that in kind of which which others would be allowed to have shared housing which ones would not.

1796
02:31:18,540 --> 02:31:28,240
Whether the property being resumed is physically suitable for the proposed rezoning, all of the lots within these areas would meet the minimum zoning classification requirements for middle housing.

1797
02:31:28,240 --> 02:31:32,040
whether there's existing infrastructure or available infrastructure in these areas,

1798
02:31:32,200 --> 02:31:33,880
all of them have available infrastructure.

1799
02:31:34,180 --> 02:31:36,020
We look through through the comprehensive plan process,

1800
02:31:36,480 --> 02:31:39,720
as well as when we look at the individual resounding request.

1801
02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:43,420
And then finally, the marketability of the property,

1802
02:31:43,820 --> 02:31:46,960
it is likely that the marketability of these properties will increase

1803
02:31:46,960 --> 02:31:49,700
within the particular areas that we've identified.

1804
02:31:52,070 --> 02:31:57,730
And then the second agenda I'm related to modifying the use table

1805
02:31:57,730 --> 02:32:08,690
to remove shared housing from the middle housing zoning district and then only allow shared housing in middle housing zoning district when there is a high occupancy overlay.

1806
02:32:08,950 --> 02:32:18,170
So it's a very small change there and adding kind of a subscript for D permitted only when there is a high occupancy overlay established within that area.

1807
02:32:19,430 --> 02:32:26,050
So these items we're taking to planning its own commission on October 5th.

1808
02:32:26,050 --> 02:32:31,330
The commission did recommend 5-0 of all of the items staff is also recommending approval

1809
02:32:31,330 --> 02:32:32,030
of all of them.

1810
02:32:32,130 --> 02:32:33,550
Be happy to answer any questions.

1811
02:32:37,720 --> 02:32:42,980
Time for council to ask any questions if something new is popped up here or you have a question

1812
02:32:42,980 --> 02:32:44,600
about any of these items.

1813
02:32:44,760 --> 02:32:45,300
Ms. Harwell?

1814
02:32:47,030 --> 02:32:54,630
that's a lot of houses in it. You know what sadly not once if I heard

1815
02:32:54,630 --> 02:33:01,010
city staff say what can we do? We were talking about housing shortage talking

1816
02:33:01,010 --> 02:33:08,930
about single family homes and families not once if I seen a concern about that

1817
02:33:08,930 --> 02:33:16,130
population everything is about the student winners and I think that's that's

1818
02:33:16,130 --> 02:33:16,590
important.

1819
02:33:19,010 --> 02:33:25,230
I struggle with the fact that we are taking these neighborhoods. I understand

1820
02:33:25,230 --> 02:33:32,330
that I get them familiar with it. But not once, as the city said, what can we do to protect

1821
02:33:32,330 --> 02:33:38,910
those homes, those neighborhoods for our families, for our working families, for whatever.

1822
02:33:39,610 --> 02:33:43,850
And I just think that's, I think we've lost sight. Do you have a question? What are the

1823
02:33:43,850 --> 02:33:49,070
question about. I have a question related that because I think she makes a good point.

1824
02:33:50,270 --> 02:33:54,750
Last time we created a new committee, correct?

1825
02:33:55,810 --> 02:34:00,030
Yeah, you created a housing committee to look at doing a housing study with

1826
02:34:00,030 --> 02:34:05,490
in the city. Housing action plan, which is part of the purpose of that, is

1827
02:34:05,490 --> 02:34:10,250
to address incentives that could be used to address some of the concerns

1828
02:34:10,250 --> 02:34:15,110
of Ms. Harrell's raising, I mean, that would be one of the potential outcomes correct.

1829
02:34:15,710 --> 02:34:21,610
That's one of them, and I will note, city staff have promoted things to help with

1830
02:34:21,610 --> 02:34:22,390
Naperhood integrity.

1831
02:34:23,030 --> 02:34:29,230
One of the main premises for starting middle housing was to create additional housing opportunities

1832
02:34:29,230 --> 02:34:35,150
for low-moderate income individuals or families who don't have a lot of income in that

1833
02:34:35,150 --> 02:34:39,330
by creating the middle housing zoning district was not intended just for rentals.

1834
02:34:39,330 --> 02:34:42,950
the intent of the middle housing zone and district was to create smaller

1835
02:34:42,950 --> 02:34:47,750
lot sizes increased density so that would help hopefully drive down the cost of

1836
02:34:47,750 --> 02:34:51,230
some of that development. I mean I'd drive it down to hard affordable levels but

1837
02:34:51,230 --> 02:34:55,010
it would be the intent was to try to drive down some of that cost by creating

1838
02:34:55,010 --> 02:35:00,230
additional land opportunities where the land price could be help be addressed. The

1839
02:35:00,230 --> 02:35:09,310
other thing that this does is by creating some of the other areas for the high

1840
02:35:09,310 --> 02:35:11,950
the pressure off of the existing single family neighborhoods.

1841
02:35:12,150 --> 02:35:15,130
And what we've seen over the past decade and a half

1842
02:35:15,130 --> 02:35:17,890
is a lot more has been creeping into the neighborhoods.

1843
02:35:18,070 --> 02:35:20,390
And turning on our occupied structures to rentals

1844
02:35:20,390 --> 02:35:22,710
because there is a need for additional density

1845
02:35:22,710 --> 02:35:23,970
and an infurgical housing.

1846
02:35:24,590 --> 02:35:27,510
And this does provide and help address some of those concerns

1847
02:35:28,090 --> 02:35:29,730
where you start seeing that neighborhood creep.

1848
02:35:30,070 --> 02:35:33,570
So it identifies particular areas where the density could increase.

1849
02:35:34,030 --> 02:35:36,930
And as we look at this and kind of like what we can expect,

1850
02:35:36,930 --> 02:35:45,170
what is modifying or rezoning about 1753 properties. We're estimating anywhere from about

1851
02:35:45,170 --> 02:35:50,690
4,000 to 8,000 additional population could fit within these areas over time. As these

1852
02:35:50,690 --> 02:35:55,990
areas either redevelop or as they add additional individuals within their structures,

1853
02:35:56,950 --> 02:36:01,010
these areas could absorb about 4,000 to 8,000 individuals over time.

1854
02:36:04,460 --> 02:36:08,040
Other questions, Mr. Volone, we'll start at your end and work this way.

1855
02:36:08,040 --> 02:36:09,320
Okay. Thank you Michael.

1856
02:36:09,600 --> 02:36:12,580
This is a chance to ask questions or stay off.

1857
02:36:13,040 --> 02:36:13,440
Thank you.

1858
02:36:13,440 --> 02:36:17,080
Yeah, I'm going to try to keep us on target.

1859
02:36:17,960 --> 02:36:20,540
All right. Stay on target of the leader. Listen.

1860
02:36:23,020 --> 02:36:24,060
Michael, do I get this right?

1861
02:36:24,060 --> 02:36:31,040
The middle housing and who high occupancy overlay has 1753 properties.

1862
02:36:32,280 --> 02:36:33,900
Although the property is before you tonight,

1863
02:36:33,900 --> 02:36:36,760
Yeah, it's quite to $1,700 and $1,553.

1864
02:36:38,120 --> 02:36:41,480
And so, did you say it was $1,046 acres for middle housing?

1865
02:36:42,180 --> 02:36:42,680
$623.

1866
02:36:43,000 --> 02:36:43,700
So, I get that right.

1867
02:36:43,760 --> 02:36:44,220
That's correct.

1868
02:36:44,360 --> 02:36:46,100
So, the area is just going middle housing.

1869
02:36:46,380 --> 02:36:48,780
It was $1,046 acres, $623.

1870
02:36:49,200 --> 02:36:53,840
And just to also identify, kind of, this is about 1%

1871
02:36:53,840 --> 02:36:55,860
of the land area within college session.

1872
02:36:56,620 --> 02:37:00,340
But the $1,0153 acres is 1%.

1873
02:37:00,340 --> 02:37:04,500
the total 363 acres is about 1%

1874
02:37:04,500 --> 02:37:07,580
1% to 2% of the land area in College Station.

1875
02:37:09,160 --> 02:37:12,480
And the middle housing and who was that 232 acres?

1876
02:37:12,660 --> 02:37:14,720
I mean, that's 270 acres.

1877
02:37:14,900 --> 02:37:17,100
So it's 113 acres, 1130 lots.

1878
02:37:20,820 --> 02:37:25,500
So I think the intent here, and you can correct me

1879
02:37:25,500 --> 02:37:34,620
wrong, all right, is that by providing higher density in some areas, we can have other areas

1880
02:37:34,620 --> 02:37:39,260
that have low density and it's more affordable housing, it's no longer attractive to the

1881
02:37:39,260 --> 02:37:45,580
rental investors. Is that right? Because how many, how many houses do we have in a rule that

1882
02:37:45,580 --> 02:37:51,440
restrict it occupancy overlay? So we've got about 146 properties that are subject to the requirements.

1883
02:37:51,440 --> 02:38:03,520
Okay, so 146 where we're we're we're we're limiting occupancy and then 1753 properties where we're just opening it up

1884
02:38:03,520 --> 02:38:13,440
And so I think the argument that there's not affordable housing as we was pointed out earlier is it isn't really holding up against against this

1885
02:38:14,640 --> 02:38:18,020
this change in policy here that would that I hope will initiate.

1886
02:38:19,560 --> 02:38:21,540
Appreciate your work.

1887
02:38:23,150 --> 02:38:23,630
Mr. Nancy.

1888
02:38:24,470 --> 02:38:25,410
Thank you, Mayor Nichols.

1889
02:38:26,750 --> 02:38:38,750
Mr. Strausky, does this, as far as you know, constitute the largest one-time land use change in the city of

1890
02:38:38,750 --> 02:38:43,890
station's history. I would venture to guess that it is probably the largest in terms of lots of

1891
02:38:43,890 --> 02:38:51,950
an acreage. Take me to your criteria slide for a second if you would. So, criterion four,

1892
02:38:53,090 --> 02:38:59,970
I'm not an engineer. Let me back up. Where do these criteria emanate from?

1893
02:39:00,990 --> 02:39:06,950
So, these criteria come whether it's from state statute or whether it's the criteria that we set

1894
02:39:06,950 --> 02:39:08,430
through our unified development ordinance.

1895
02:39:09,490 --> 02:39:12,610
Okay, there's no state law around this.

1896
02:39:12,890 --> 02:39:14,830
This is our own.

1897
02:39:15,430 --> 02:39:18,510
So these criteria come from our UDO,

1898
02:39:18,670 --> 02:39:20,170
however, the rest state law that governs

1899
02:39:20,170 --> 02:39:21,090
resounding the properties.

1900
02:39:22,190 --> 02:39:24,250
Mr. Falco, can you speak to it?

1901
02:39:24,270 --> 02:39:27,990
Yeah, these criteria originate in the local government code

1902
02:39:27,990 --> 02:39:30,450
backed up by case on our UDO reflects

1903
02:39:30,920 --> 02:39:33,470
the same criteria for resownings.

1904
02:39:33,470 --> 02:39:44,730
Okay, thank you for me the first most important strategic question is I am not an engineer and so I have to rely upon

1905
02:39:45,380 --> 02:39:50,130
staff professionals planners and engineers to tell me

1906
02:39:50,130 --> 02:39:55,530
What are this to be approved this largest land use change in our history?

1907
02:39:55,530 --> 02:40:01,870
Is there, indeed, available water, wastewater, storm water, and transportation facilities

1908
02:40:01,870 --> 02:40:05,690
generally suitable, inadequate for uses permitted by the proposed zoning district?

1909
02:40:06,370 --> 02:40:07,210
Yes or no?

1910
02:40:07,410 --> 02:40:07,650
Yes.

1911
02:40:10,470 --> 02:40:11,110
Thank you.

1912
02:40:11,150 --> 02:40:12,850
On marketability of the property,

1913
02:40:16,170 --> 02:40:17,850
what did we intend by that?

1914
02:40:17,850 --> 02:40:23,110
Did we intend marketability of the property to be the properties of value?

1915
02:40:23,110 --> 02:40:30,710
It's dollar value for that to be enhanced because it's not very marketable.

1916
02:40:30,830 --> 02:40:36,490
If you've got to say you've got an owner out there, an old school owner who believes in the local

1917
02:40:36,490 --> 02:40:39,750
person, believes in having a relationship with their tenant.

1918
02:40:39,750 --> 02:40:45,330
They've had the tenant in there forever, close friends, mutually beneficial relationship.

1919
02:40:46,570 --> 02:40:52,690
And they're not interested in building shared housing on their property.

1920
02:40:52,690 --> 02:41:00,190
they want it to remain a single family residential rental for a working class or family

1921
02:41:00,190 --> 02:41:07,390
or retired couple doesn't the marketability of the property if it becomes high occupancy

1922
02:41:07,390 --> 02:41:11,910
overlay isn't it damaged from that owner's perspective?

1923
02:41:13,530 --> 02:41:18,410
So the marketability of the property can mean several different things but primarily it's

1924
02:41:18,410 --> 02:41:21,870
whether or not uses within that area are successful,

1925
02:41:22,570 --> 02:41:25,270
based off of our long range planning effort.

1926
02:41:26,310 --> 02:41:28,650
And just because the property, let's say,

1927
02:41:28,670 --> 02:41:31,030
would be resowned to middle housing with a high

1928
02:41:31,030 --> 02:41:34,550
occupancy overlay, doesn't prohibit from the property owner

1929
02:41:34,550 --> 02:41:37,310
from using the property exactly like it is today.

1930
02:41:38,070 --> 02:41:41,070
Middle housing doesn't prohibit single family detached

1931
02:41:41,070 --> 02:41:44,390
structures, in fact, it enhances that by creating

1932
02:41:44,390 --> 02:41:46,010
additional opportunities for that.

1933
02:41:46,010 --> 02:41:50,010
It creates smaller lot sizes for those uses to exist.

1934
02:41:50,750 --> 02:41:55,470
So I don't think by resowning these properties that it hurts the

1935
02:41:55,470 --> 02:41:56,950
marketability of the property.

1936
02:41:57,270 --> 02:42:00,890
I think it helps it by creating additional opportunities within this area.

1937
02:42:00,950 --> 02:42:04,690
And one of the things that we've seen from a value perspective and the

1938
02:42:04,690 --> 02:42:09,690
arguments that we've heard that these shared housing units are changing the

1939
02:42:09,690 --> 02:42:15,130
market in terms of property values, especially for the properties around it.

1940
02:42:15,130 --> 02:42:18,210
One of the things that by rezoning these properties,

1941
02:42:18,430 --> 02:42:21,690
two middle housing, by identifying them as a high occupancy overlay

1942
02:42:21,690 --> 02:42:25,470
district, is that there's a distinguishing feature between the properties now.

1943
02:42:25,650 --> 02:42:30,010
So right now, we've seen a lot of properties developed in general suburban that may have been

1944
02:42:30,010 --> 02:42:32,190
traditional stuffed dorms or eggshacks.

1945
02:42:32,910 --> 02:42:36,270
However, that is limited to no more than four.

1946
02:42:36,510 --> 02:42:41,970
By changing the zoning designation and by us creating that shared housing use,

1947
02:42:41,970 --> 02:42:45,630
We've not prohibited all of those uses within General Suburban.

1948
02:42:46,350 --> 02:42:48,370
So by adding the zoning classification,

1949
02:42:49,350 --> 02:42:51,070
including a place for them to go,

1950
02:42:51,270 --> 02:42:53,210
it helps change the zoning classification

1951
02:42:53,210 --> 02:42:54,910
in terms of the value of the property.

1952
02:42:57,570 --> 02:42:58,590
Thank you very much, sir.

1953
02:42:58,810 --> 02:42:59,910
Thank you, Mayor Nichols.

1954
02:43:00,290 --> 02:43:00,750
Thank you, sir.

1955
02:43:01,670 --> 02:43:02,730
Let's go down.

1956
02:43:03,870 --> 02:43:06,510
Thank you so much for the work that you've done on this.

1957
02:43:07,790 --> 02:43:11,390
Could you just cover briefly what all you could choose

1958
02:43:11,390 --> 02:43:13,610
if you are zone, middle housing,

1959
02:43:14,510 --> 02:43:15,890
like, quickly define the quick.

1960
02:43:15,890 --> 02:43:16,210
Absolutely.

1961
02:43:16,650 --> 02:43:18,150
So middle housing allows for flexibility

1962
02:43:18,150 --> 02:43:20,810
product types anywhere from single family,

1963
02:43:21,410 --> 02:43:23,710
duplex, triplex, quadplex,

1964
02:43:24,330 --> 02:43:27,730
and then you can have small and medium multi-plexes,

1965
02:43:27,730 --> 02:43:30,690
which range from five units in a structure to up to 12.

1966
02:43:31,190 --> 02:43:33,230
And then also you can have what's called

1967
02:43:33,230 --> 02:43:36,190
live work units where the proprietor would live above,

1968
02:43:36,270 --> 02:43:39,250
and then you'd have a small commercial shop below.

1969
02:43:39,250 --> 02:43:47,250
So each of those different housing types or structure types require different lot sizes in requirement.

1970
02:43:47,570 --> 02:43:54,810
So if you have a, let's say, a medium multiplex, you're going to need several lots in order to construct that multiplex.

1971
02:43:54,970 --> 02:44:01,010
Whereas you're probably going to get, you know, in terms of a unit count, the same number of single family units that would have been constructed there.

1972
02:44:04,340 --> 02:44:05,880
Sorry about any questions.

1973
02:44:06,960 --> 02:44:07,560
Mr. Wright?

1974
02:44:10,070 --> 02:44:10,510
Mr. Smith?

1975
02:44:11,650 --> 02:44:12,150
A question.

1976
02:44:13,310 --> 02:44:20,130
Okay, if a property owner has, there's a development that is currently zone duplex.

1977
02:44:22,530 --> 02:44:31,330
And if you resound it to middle housing, because of the lot size and the configuration,

1978
02:44:31,330 --> 02:44:34,390
the duplicates is really the only thing.

1979
02:44:34,490 --> 02:44:36,970
Are we basically resigning it to middle housing

1980
02:44:36,970 --> 02:44:40,490
in order to encourage redevelopment?

1981
02:44:41,890 --> 02:44:45,410
So, in certain areas, you could have the redevelopment,

1982
02:44:45,810 --> 02:44:47,530
but in several of these areas,

1983
02:44:48,470 --> 02:44:50,310
they may stay with the existing structure.

1984
02:44:50,990 --> 02:44:54,510
So, the lot size that they have may not be too far different

1985
02:44:54,510 --> 02:44:55,710
where they could get them additional.

1986
02:44:55,990 --> 02:44:58,350
So, the existing structure may remain.

1987
02:44:58,350 --> 02:44:59,970
And the way that we look...

1988
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:04,760
What did these areas where how the land use is where identified with in our conference applying?

1989
02:45:04,940 --> 02:45:09,180
So when we looked at the area in general, we didn't want to resound just a few lots that could be

1990
02:45:09,180 --> 02:45:12,060
redeveloped. You look at a larger area for the overall resounding.

1991
02:45:12,760 --> 02:45:20,340
Okay, I guess it just leaves me wondering, why would we resound this from Duplex to middle housing if they

1992
02:45:20,340 --> 02:45:22,920
aren't going to redevelop it and it's going to stay a Duplex?

1993
02:45:23,220 --> 02:45:28,260
And it could redevelop over time. It may not redevelop tomorrow, but there is a possibility that

1994
02:45:28,260 --> 02:45:30,000
probably could redevelop over time.

1995
02:45:34,660 --> 02:45:40,900
More questions along those lines, I think there's always the reason for creating the

1996
02:45:40,900 --> 02:45:46,300
who I occupies the overlay and not having that cover all of the middle housing areas

1997
02:45:46,300 --> 02:45:53,380
was because of some concerns about shared housing being imposed in lots of areas.

1998
02:45:54,440 --> 02:46:01,260
Take the example, Mr. Smith just raised, somebody has a duplex or the duplexes on the street.

1999
02:46:01,260 --> 02:46:07,500
you're not suggesting an overnight redevelopment of those,

2000
02:46:09,820 --> 02:46:14,140
is there any way a duplex could apply to be shared housing?

2001
02:46:14,900 --> 02:46:18,180
If they would be located in a who yes they could apply to be shared housing.

2002
02:46:18,200 --> 02:46:20,360
And what would they have to demonstrate to the administrator?

2003
02:46:21,220 --> 02:46:24,800
So, shared housing is a use that allows for more than four unrelated.

2004
02:46:25,640 --> 02:46:28,100
So, I'm looking at their bedroom counts, their parking requirements.

2005
02:46:28,700 --> 02:46:30,820
All of that would have to be met for that particular use.

2006
02:46:30,820 --> 02:46:37,020
So the parking requirements are part of that and the bedroom size and shape and all of that sort

2007
02:46:37,020 --> 02:46:38,420
of thing is part of that.

2008
02:46:38,740 --> 02:46:38,760
Right.

2009
02:46:38,980 --> 02:46:43,060
So when we look at that parking requirements for shared housing are more stringent than

2010
02:46:43,060 --> 02:46:48,520
your typical just residential, we require a parking space, one parking space for every room

2011
02:46:48,520 --> 02:46:52,860
that is 70 square feet or larger or could be used as a bedroom and then our building

2012
02:46:52,860 --> 02:46:55,040
code will govern the bedroom sizes.

2013
02:46:55,040 --> 02:47:00,680
So anything that is, you know, a bedroom needs to be at least 70 square feet, and then each additional

2014
02:47:00,680 --> 02:47:03,000
document would have to have a certain square footage about that.

2015
02:47:03,480 --> 02:47:11,120
And adding, uh, adding, uh, impervious surface to add parking spaces would be limited by the,

2016
02:47:11,120 --> 02:47:15,020
the, uh, impervious surface surface requirements we have, correct?

2017
02:47:15,100 --> 02:47:15,580
That's correct.

2018
02:47:15,700 --> 02:47:18,980
So they'd have to meet that part of the impervious, that is all I've done to play.

2019
02:47:19,400 --> 02:47:19,580
Okay.

2020
02:47:19,820 --> 02:47:21,340
Thank you.

2021
02:47:21,800 --> 02:47:23,000
Mr. Mooney has one more question.

2022
02:47:23,000 --> 02:47:30,700
Just one more question. I have a neighbor and they own a property in one of the areas going to be rezoned to middle housing it will not

2023
02:47:32,120 --> 02:47:38,760
It does not force them to change the use of their property correct. It's just going to stay the way it is that can keep renting it the way they rented it

2024
02:47:39,220 --> 02:47:47,240
But if if somewhere in the future if they wanted to they could tear it down or perhaps change it to some other use within the middle housing

2025
02:47:48,160 --> 02:47:52,100
Restrictions correct. That's correct. Okay, but it doesn't force them to do anything

2026
02:47:52,100 --> 02:47:53,280
and that could just leave it the way it is.

2027
02:47:53,600 --> 02:47:54,820
Everything stays the same.

2028
02:47:55,040 --> 02:47:55,500
That is correct.

2029
02:47:55,920 --> 02:47:57,080
All right, thank you.

2030
02:47:57,240 --> 02:47:57,780
Thank you.

2031
02:47:57,920 --> 02:48:01,260
We do have 12 people who have signed up.

2032
02:48:01,540 --> 02:48:02,940
If we've done with the questions,

2033
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:05,980
I'm going to move on with the public hearing.

2034
02:48:07,800 --> 02:48:12,460
And I will go through the list as it was presented to me.

2035
02:48:13,220 --> 02:48:14,520
I've opened the public hearing.

2036
02:48:15,360 --> 02:48:16,740
Ms. Diana Wood.

2037
02:48:17,340 --> 02:48:19,200
You're the first one in the list.

2038
02:48:21,860 --> 02:48:29,260
And that'll be followed by Dr. Blanche Burke.

2039
02:48:30,640 --> 02:48:31,240
Hi, everybody.

2040
02:48:31,960 --> 02:48:34,720
Diana Wood, live in Southwood Valley.

2041
02:48:35,280 --> 02:48:38,200
I'm also president of the College Station Association of Neighborhoods.

2042
02:48:39,760 --> 02:48:43,840
One ask that we have tonight is individual voting on these areas.

2043
02:48:44,320 --> 02:48:47,940
I don't know if that's something you can ask for, but there's some areas.

2044
02:48:47,940 --> 02:48:52,480
You just know what he's protesting because it middle housing with a who makes sense.

2045
02:48:53,020 --> 02:48:58,700
Okay, Mr. Yansie, we sat here, we had the conversation, you're like, it makes, and there are some areas that makes complete sense.

2046
02:48:59,460 --> 02:49:06,280
I'm here tonight to talk about a personal issue, which is the area of Welsh Avenue and Navarro,

2047
02:49:07,080 --> 02:49:12,340
and because I raised my sons and I had a duplex on San Mario.

2048
02:49:12,340 --> 02:49:17,720
We picked to live there because I was a single mom and it was affordable rent.

2049
02:49:18,040 --> 02:49:21,820
It was three bedroom, two bath for under $800 a month.

2050
02:49:22,040 --> 02:49:23,640
Now I know those a few years ago.

2051
02:49:24,580 --> 02:49:29,940
But that culture of that area along Welsh and Navarro is unique.

2052
02:49:30,860 --> 02:49:33,860
It's not over, and I don't want to say there's no students because there's lots of students.

2053
02:49:34,260 --> 02:49:35,600
They walk to the high school.

2054
02:49:36,060 --> 02:49:41,500
They walk to the elementary schools in the area and we live there specifically so our kids

2055
02:49:41,500 --> 02:49:48,360
can walk. If you by removing this and it's not going to be overnight, but there's unintended consequences.

2056
02:49:49,560 --> 02:49:54,220
And I think that one of the things you need to do tonight is please put the brakes on,

2057
02:49:54,400 --> 02:50:00,560
at least for some areas. I'm on the Housing Committee. Please give us a chance to look to do

2058
02:50:00,560 --> 02:50:06,820
some deep study and find out what's going on in these sensitive areas that provide affordable housing

2059
02:50:06,820 --> 02:50:12,700
for families. You said yourselves, what can we do for families? Give us a second to figure

2060
02:50:12,700 --> 02:50:17,880
out these very sensitive areas that are right there and they're supposed to be a mixing

2061
02:50:17,880 --> 02:50:22,600
pot and that's what makes it amazing. There's college students, high school students, little kids,

2062
02:50:22,840 --> 02:50:28,400
tricycles in the front yard and football science in front of the duplexes. This is a special area.

2063
02:50:28,820 --> 02:50:35,780
Please do not let them take away the the chance because there's some great landlords there.

2064
02:50:35,780 --> 02:50:41,620
There are, and there's some other ones, and I'm very, there's some third or not, but I'm very, very

2065
02:50:41,620 --> 02:50:48,680
concerned that the creep of the seek for profit over people is going to seep into the sensitive

2066
02:50:48,680 --> 02:50:57,060
critical area for college station. So, because, like you said, buy up a couple of lots, tear it down,

2067
02:50:57,060 --> 02:51:01,620
And you go up to 12 units that a family can't rent.

2068
02:51:03,220 --> 02:51:07,980
So thank you, please vote individually on these.

2069
02:51:08,060 --> 02:51:09,520
Thank you.

2070
02:51:09,660 --> 02:51:11,760
Thank you, Ms. Wood, Dr. Burke.

2071
02:51:16,580 --> 02:51:18,380
We followed by Katie Perkins.

2072
02:51:20,920 --> 02:51:22,120
Good evening, Council.

2073
02:51:23,000 --> 02:51:25,480
Thank you for continuing to work on this.

2074
02:51:25,480 --> 02:51:26,540
I'm Blanch Brick.

2075
02:51:27,020 --> 02:51:28,000
Live in Boxfire.

2076
02:51:28,040 --> 02:51:29,920
Boxfire to have College Station.

2077
02:51:31,040 --> 02:51:36,320
I'm here tonight as I said to thank you for continuing to work on this, this has been a long

2078
02:51:36,320 --> 02:51:43,920
standing issue. I also want to thank the College Station Association of Neighborhoods. When I

2079
02:51:43,920 --> 02:51:51,900
served on the council from 2011 to 2017, there was no organization like C.C.N. It was very difficult

2080
02:51:51,900 --> 02:51:58,340
to support neighborhood integrity because each group had to come before the council asking for meaningful

2081
02:51:58,340 --> 02:52:04,040
protection for their neighborhoods and on too many occasions their requests follow in deaf ears.

2082
02:52:04,880 --> 02:52:09,700
Doing that time I worked as a member of the Council to develop better options for enforcement

2083
02:52:09,700 --> 02:52:17,840
of the codes for single family housing areas and propose the city develop a multi-residence zoning

2084
02:52:17,840 --> 02:52:24,800
district. Many years later after much hard work by the city staff many citizens of college

2085
02:52:24,800 --> 02:52:27,440
station and other council members.

2086
02:52:28,320 --> 02:52:35,220
We have seen in the current the creation of a metal housing zoning district and a shared

2087
02:52:35,220 --> 02:52:36,000
housing.

2088
02:52:36,840 --> 02:52:41,840
While I support the creation of these districts, they weren't exactly what I had envisioned

2089
02:52:41,840 --> 02:52:45,040
to begin with, but that's where we are today.

2090
02:52:45,980 --> 02:52:51,280
I do not support all of the areas the council is now being asked to resume.

2091
02:52:51,280 --> 02:52:59,600
I do, however, support the proposals and recommendations that CSAN has provided the Council.

2092
02:53:00,620 --> 02:53:06,880
CSAN volunteers have provided a vital service to our community by researching the issues

2093
02:53:06,880 --> 02:53:12,960
that come before the Council and offering thoughtful advice on the pros and cons of these issues

2094
02:53:12,960 --> 02:53:18,820
as they reflect the character of our community and the sustainability of the neighborhoods.

2095
02:53:18,820 --> 02:53:25,620
I hope you have looked at their proposals and will consider following their advice in regard

2096
02:53:25,620 --> 02:53:32,640
to the President agenda items for zoning districts under the new middle housing and share

2097
02:53:32,640 --> 02:53:34,000
housing proposals.

2098
02:53:35,200 --> 02:53:40,880
And I also hope you'll remember the great advice given us by that wonderful political philosopher

2099
02:53:40,880 --> 02:53:43,920
Her doctor's is in the law racks,

2100
02:53:44,500 --> 02:53:49,260
which was that all big ring is not always bettering

2101
02:53:49,260 --> 02:53:52,060
the quality of life in our community.

2102
02:53:52,620 --> 02:53:53,960
Thank you very much.

2103
02:53:54,280 --> 02:53:55,780
All right, here's our keburke.

2104
02:53:56,720 --> 02:53:57,800
Katie Perkins.

2105
02:54:05,340 --> 02:54:06,540
Hi, my name is Katie Perkins.

2106
02:54:06,760 --> 02:54:08,840
I live in the South of Valley area.

2107
02:54:09,460 --> 02:54:12,820
Please, please, you need to get the mic closer to your mouth.

2108
02:54:12,960 --> 02:54:13,640
Okay.

2109
02:54:13,640 --> 02:54:15,700
And speak directly into it.

2110
02:54:15,880 --> 02:54:16,060
Okay.

2111
02:54:17,720 --> 02:54:22,780
So, I submitted a written comment online for tonight's meeting and I hope everyone received a copy of it and has

2112
02:54:22,780 --> 02:54:27,840
chance to read through it since I will not have enough time right now to address everything that was in that document.

2113
02:54:28,780 --> 02:54:32,100
What I will talk about is my experience leading up to me being here in front of you tonight.

2114
02:54:32,760 --> 02:54:37,420
On September 23rd, my husband and I received a notice in the mail with information about the October 5th

2115
02:54:37,420 --> 02:54:47,280
planning and Zoting Commission public hearing as well as tonight's city council public hearing in regards to the proposed

2116
02:54:47,280 --> 02:54:52,720
of this rezoning. And I presented the impression that the planning and zoning meeting on October 5th

2117
02:54:52,720 --> 02:54:56,320
was more of an informational meeting for property owners to ask questions and learn more about

2118
02:54:56,320 --> 02:55:01,920
the potential rezoning. Once Michael Ostrowski started his presentation the meeting I immediately

2119
02:55:01,920 --> 02:55:06,240
became aware of the fact that it was not an informational meeting, but rather a meeting to vote

2120
02:55:06,240 --> 02:55:11,900
on these properties up for the rezoning. As I sat listening to Mr. Ostrowski's presentation

2121
02:55:11,900 --> 02:55:18,180
And his repeated reference to notices going out for the June 2023 planning meetings, I became

2122
02:55:18,180 --> 02:55:20,520
more and more upset at this false statement.

2123
02:55:21,400 --> 02:55:26,140
And as it turns out, there were several other property owners affected from various proposed

2124
02:55:26,140 --> 02:55:32,960
resound areas who spoke at the October 5th meeting each making the same statement that notices

2125
02:55:32,960 --> 02:55:35,660
for the June planning meetings were not provided to us.

2126
02:55:36,180 --> 02:55:38,160
Well, it didn't matter how many of us mentioned this.

2127
02:55:38,160 --> 02:55:42,840
the planning and zoning commission approved all 26 areas up for rezoning in a grand total

2128
02:55:42,840 --> 02:55:46,760
of three votes, 1700 different properties, three votes.

2129
02:55:47,940 --> 02:55:51,280
After the October 5th meeting, I decided to do some research and discovered that the formal

2130
02:55:51,280 --> 02:55:56,760
petition written signed by property owners may be submitted in opposition to the rezoned area,

2131
02:55:57,000 --> 02:56:02,400
according to Section 211.016D of the Texas Local Government Code.

2132
02:56:03,060 --> 02:56:07,760
I proceeded to walk my neighborhood and collect signatures for this petition each neighbor that

2133
02:56:07,760 --> 02:56:11,860
spoke with said they did not receive notices of the planning meetings in June.

2134
02:56:12,800 --> 02:56:17,040
And we all felt completely blindsided by the notice received in late September.

2135
02:56:18,480 --> 02:56:21,820
I called City Hall on October 11th and inquiring about how I could submit the sign

2136
02:56:21,820 --> 02:56:22,300
petition.

2137
02:56:22,920 --> 02:56:27,980
Two days later, I received a phone call from Mr. Astrosky, informing me that after looking

2138
02:56:27,980 --> 02:56:33,720
into records and regards the notices for the June 2020 planning meetings that was discovered

2139
02:56:33,720 --> 02:56:36,580
And that some property owners were not provided these notifications.

2140
02:56:37,380 --> 02:56:42,940
Therefore, the area up for rezoning on airline drive is no longer up for a vote at tonight's meeting as originally intended.

2141
02:56:43,800 --> 02:56:48,680
There will then be two informational meetings in November to allow property owners to ask questions and provide input.

2142
02:56:48,800 --> 02:56:50,820
We are thankful for this opportunity to be included.

2143
02:56:51,620 --> 02:56:58,480
I was hopeful that the other property owners who spoke at the October 5 meeting would be provided the same opportunity, but they were not.

2144
02:56:59,280 --> 02:57:00,680
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

2145
02:57:01,880 --> 02:57:02,680
You're finished?

2146
02:57:03,200 --> 02:57:04,880
I had just a couple more sentences.

2147
02:57:05,300 --> 02:57:05,500
Okay.

2148
02:57:05,780 --> 02:57:06,880
Thank you.

2149
02:57:07,100 --> 02:57:09,260
If you have another minute, go ahead.

2150
02:57:09,380 --> 02:57:09,640
Okay.

2151
02:57:10,320 --> 02:57:14,320
What I put before you tonight is a request or proposal to not vote on these properties

2152
02:57:14,320 --> 02:57:15,440
that for rezoning.

2153
02:57:15,660 --> 02:57:19,840
Instead, pause this decision, provide the property owners the opportunity to participate

2154
02:57:19,840 --> 02:57:22,660
in informational meetings like what was supposed to have happened in June.

2155
02:57:23,240 --> 02:57:25,220
Please do what is right by the citizens of this community.

2156
02:57:25,600 --> 02:57:26,240
Thank you.

2157
02:57:26,320 --> 02:57:27,620
Thank you.

2158
02:57:28,320 --> 02:57:29,240
Mr. Rodger.

2159
02:57:29,500 --> 02:57:29,720
Mayor.

2160
02:57:29,720 --> 02:57:35,500
Can I ask Michael to address this specifically because I would come back to it later, but if

2161
02:57:36,560 --> 02:57:45,580
Please go right ahead. Absolutely. So the meetings that we held in June were the information on meetings where we wanted to provide an opportunity to

2162
02:57:45,580 --> 02:57:53,060
Allow individuals know what was going on with this process both property owners within the areas being affected by the rezoning and then also property owners within

2163
02:57:53,060 --> 02:57:58,400
to 100 feet. These are not legally required meetings, but I've gone through city initiated

2164
02:57:58,400 --> 02:58:01,620
a rezoning before, and I think that's been the best process to go through, because

2165
02:58:01,620 --> 02:58:05,400
you don't want to come to a meeting in an ultimately end up having hundreds of people

2166
02:58:05,400 --> 02:58:09,780
to show up. So the process that we went through in June were three public information

2167
02:58:09,780 --> 02:58:14,740
on meetings, and we sent out notices to all of the properties affected, and then all of

2168
02:58:14,740 --> 02:58:20,420
the property owners within 200 feet of those properties. Area GG, there were some property

2169
02:58:20,420 --> 02:58:23,540
owners within the 200-foot boundary that were missed.

2170
02:58:23,720 --> 02:58:27,520
Ms. Perkins did indicate that at the PNZ meeting,

2171
02:58:28,180 --> 02:58:31,180
we did review documents that area was missed.

2172
02:58:31,540 --> 02:58:34,080
Three other individuals indicated the same thing

2173
02:58:34,080 --> 02:58:35,080
at the PNZ meeting.

2174
02:58:35,580 --> 02:58:37,740
We looked through the documents, our records indicate

2175
02:58:37,740 --> 02:58:41,120
that they did get provided a notice back in May for that.

2176
02:58:41,400 --> 02:58:43,760
So this evening, we have pulled area GG

2177
02:58:44,440 --> 02:58:46,260
to allow us to have additional opportunities

2178
02:58:46,260 --> 02:58:48,900
to do public engagement for area GG.

2179
02:58:48,900 --> 02:58:53,160
That was the only area that, according to our records, were missed.

2180
02:58:53,960 --> 02:58:59,500
The legal notices for the PNZ meeting on October 5th, and this evening, all popular owners

2181
02:58:59,500 --> 02:59:00,980
have received those legal notices.

2182
02:59:01,560 --> 02:59:04,020
They were sent by U.S. Postal Service.

2183
02:59:04,220 --> 02:59:04,680
They were.

2184
02:59:04,860 --> 02:59:05,440
First class.

2185
02:59:05,800 --> 02:59:05,980
Yes.

2186
02:59:06,640 --> 02:59:07,600
Thank you.

2187
02:59:08,200 --> 02:59:11,900
I've heard from a lot of people that they did receive them.

2188
02:59:12,420 --> 02:59:12,660
Okay.

2189
02:59:13,100 --> 02:59:16,640
I was going to bring that out later, but I thank you for their amendment.

2190
02:59:17,720 --> 02:59:18,780
Who's calling me mayor?

2191
02:59:20,360 --> 02:59:25,000
Can I ask, does the young lady who just spoke live in GG?

2192
02:59:25,680 --> 02:59:29,340
She lives in 200 feet of the properties in question in GG.

2193
02:59:29,780 --> 02:59:32,400
So that area is not a for consideration.

2194
02:59:32,940 --> 02:59:33,380
It is not.

2195
02:59:33,480 --> 02:59:34,240
It goes not.

2196
02:59:34,260 --> 02:59:35,700
Thank you.

2197
02:59:36,780 --> 02:59:38,600
And the other clarification needed.

2198
02:59:39,420 --> 02:59:40,460
Thank you for that.

2199
02:59:40,760 --> 02:59:44,780
Mr. Lewis, you're up next and then be followed by Luke Morrison.

2200
02:59:48,680 --> 02:59:50,080
Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council.

2201
02:59:53,010 --> 02:59:59,110
I just have to say I'm a little bit rattled because it's kind of breathtaking doing this

2202
02:59:59,110 --> 02:59:59,690
many properties.

2203
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:12,900
One vote. I think that the breaks need to be tapped. I'm one of those people who insist that I have one property that is within the 200 feet. No notice for the summer meetings.

2204
03:00:13,460 --> 03:00:22,160
I have another property within that. No notice. Mr. Austrowsky was kind enough to call me and he said my name and address her on the mailing list.

2205
03:00:24,340 --> 03:00:29,640
Sorry, we did not receive those, and at the PNZ meeting there were, when he said that,

2206
03:00:29,780 --> 03:00:32,120
there were heads shaking all over the room.

2207
03:00:32,800 --> 03:00:33,600
Did not receive.

2208
03:00:33,900 --> 03:00:38,620
So I don't know what happened, all I can say is, I did not get notices for summer meetings

2209
03:00:38,620 --> 03:00:40,800
or I would have provided input then.

2210
03:00:41,260 --> 03:00:48,960
I mean, you better would, I want to point out that the two, or a specific concern to me,

2211
03:00:48,960 --> 03:01:00,980
One is lesser, and that is, it's an adjoining, okay, and it is in, well, it's area I on these things, and basically our house is on hardwood.

2212
03:01:01,140 --> 03:01:04,740
It backs up to houses that are on university, okay?

2213
03:01:05,800 --> 03:01:12,660
So when this area was plated and sewn initially, you go from high, high density,

2214
03:01:13,500 --> 03:01:19,540
The survey has as apartments, whatever, to do Plex Buffer to single family.

2215
03:01:20,320 --> 03:01:22,800
Now what's being proposed is stripping out the Buffer.

2216
03:01:24,750 --> 03:01:30,110
I think that's a break of faith by the city for the people in the single family area.

2217
03:01:30,310 --> 03:01:31,550
I don't think it should be done.

2218
03:01:33,110 --> 03:01:38,510
The one that bothers me the most is the one where we actually own a house on a hollick,

2219
03:01:38,890 --> 03:01:40,270
very close to Anderson.

2220
03:01:42,250 --> 03:01:45,170
And we've had good tenants there, students.

2221
03:01:46,030 --> 03:01:50,510
One of the reasons that this really gets me, and I think that I love how I've heard

2222
03:01:50,510 --> 03:01:55,410
tonight about enforcement, because I'm the guy who's been renting to students and

2223
03:01:55,410 --> 03:01:57,130
known students in these areas.

2224
03:01:57,510 --> 03:01:59,110
I'm not a large, deep pocket investor.

2225
03:01:59,230 --> 03:02:02,630
I'm a small local guy, I've been picking up a house here at house there.

2226
03:02:02,730 --> 03:02:03,610
We're down to three.

2227
03:02:04,150 --> 03:02:05,910
We had more, but you know what happened?

2228
03:02:05,910 --> 03:02:24,530
The real box is came in, and the property taxes went through the roof, where instead of taking 25% of our gross rents that started taking 40% of our gross rents to pay the property tax, because the appraisal district, that's an unintended effect by the Council, I believe.

2229
03:02:24,530 --> 03:02:32,050
The, the appraisal district says, well, this property sold for this much, they wiped

2230
03:02:32,050 --> 03:02:32,690
the house.

2231
03:02:33,050 --> 03:02:35,230
So that means they really bought the land.

2232
03:02:35,670 --> 03:02:39,050
And so now your property is worth that much, plus your house.

2233
03:02:39,690 --> 03:02:40,610
That's what they do.

2234
03:02:40,950 --> 03:02:44,610
And they do not bend to arguments about it because they call it a comparable.

2235
03:02:45,550 --> 03:02:50,070
So anyway, I think there's going to be a huge unintended consequence, like what you were

2236
03:02:50,070 --> 03:02:51,890
wondering about there, I believe, Mr. Mooney.

2237
03:02:54,560 --> 03:03:01,440
And there are people like me that don't have the money to tear down and build a massive rebuild a lot of it.

2238
03:03:01,620 --> 03:03:02,020
Thank you, Mr.

2239
03:03:02,620 --> 03:03:03,760
Thank you, Mr. Lewis.

2240
03:03:03,980 --> 03:03:04,740
I look Morrison.

2241
03:03:05,500 --> 03:03:07,260
You followed by Ben Crocker.

2242
03:03:12,030 --> 03:03:14,730
How do you, I just, so I think there may have been a bit of a bit of a misunderstanding.

2243
03:03:14,830 --> 03:03:18,550
We have several students here, and I think our intent was to speak as a group.

2244
03:03:18,570 --> 03:03:21,390
If you're with the, if you're a student at Texas A&M, would you please stand?

2245
03:03:23,330 --> 03:03:24,790
Would that be something that's possible?

2246
03:03:24,790 --> 03:03:31,890
I've got, I've got six more people, I've got, and there are all names around the list.

2247
03:03:31,990 --> 03:03:33,110
Those are the ones that are in the speak.

2248
03:03:33,490 --> 03:03:33,570
Yes, sir.

2249
03:03:33,710 --> 03:03:39,950
You, Mr. Brenn Crockett, Mr. Andrew Applewhite, William Sullivan, Christian Rivers, Jackson

2250
03:03:39,950 --> 03:03:43,070
Steel, Audrey Stone, and Karine Kagan.

2251
03:03:44,330 --> 03:03:50,450
That is about five, seven, or eight people will have three times three minutes for

2252
03:03:50,450 --> 03:03:50,530
each.

2253
03:03:50,710 --> 03:03:54,450
And I believe we could save you some time if we could just do four of those individuals as

2254
03:03:54,450 --> 03:04:01,170
group and with the ten minutes, would you prefer to do it that you want ten minutes and

2255
03:04:01,170 --> 03:04:03,590
four people going to speak within the ten minutes?

2256
03:04:03,910 --> 03:04:04,230
Yes sir.

2257
03:04:04,250 --> 03:04:05,170
That's fine to me.

2258
03:04:05,430 --> 03:04:07,010
And nobody else in that group are going to speak.

2259
03:04:07,470 --> 03:04:11,490
I believe the last name on the list is not with us, but Mr. Kagan is not.

2260
03:04:11,670 --> 03:04:13,850
So you're talking, tell me you want to speak.

2261
03:04:14,630 --> 03:04:19,450
Look, Morrison, Ben Croquet, Andrew Applewhite, William Sullivan.

2262
03:04:20,290 --> 03:04:23,590
So me, Ben Croquet, Andrew Applewhite, and then Corbyn Armstrong.

2263
03:04:24,250 --> 03:04:25,050
Luke Morrison.

2264
03:04:25,230 --> 03:04:26,350
If you have to come forward.

2265
03:04:26,610 --> 03:04:27,330
Andrew Apple White.

2266
03:04:27,930 --> 03:04:28,050
Who?

2267
03:04:28,130 --> 03:04:28,870
Corporate Armstrong.

2268
03:04:30,760 --> 03:04:31,880
That the names will not be speaking.

2269
03:04:32,140 --> 03:04:32,940
I'm sorry.

2270
03:04:34,160 --> 03:04:34,340
Who?

2271
03:04:35,040 --> 03:04:35,740
Corbin Armstrong.

2272
03:04:36,840 --> 03:04:38,260
Corbin's not on my list.

2273
03:04:40,000 --> 03:04:40,600
I'm sorry.

2274
03:04:40,660 --> 03:04:42,280
I'm going to use the names that are on the list.

2275
03:04:42,380 --> 03:04:43,160
Yes, sir.

2276
03:04:43,280 --> 03:04:44,360
And I've got Luke Morrison.

2277
03:04:44,620 --> 03:04:45,280
Done Caraca Apple.

2278
03:04:45,380 --> 03:04:48,040
You said you and Andrew Apple White, right?

2279
03:04:48,140 --> 03:04:48,760
It'd been Caraca.

2280
03:04:49,200 --> 03:04:50,820
And then Caraca, that's three.

2281
03:04:50,860 --> 03:04:51,500
Who else?

2282
03:04:53,580 --> 03:04:54,500
I think the intent was for Caraca.

2283
03:04:54,500 --> 03:05:02,460
there's William Solving Kristen Rivers Jackson steel and Audrey Stone with you. Are that part of the student group?

2284
03:05:02,580 --> 03:05:11,460
Yes, there was part of our intent to go. Okay, there's just here. Okay, you got three people are gonna take 10 minutes. Go ahead ahead.

2285
03:05:12,320 --> 03:05:17,280
All right. I think I'll speak to you momentarily about something that didn't speak first. That's all right.

2286
03:05:19,370 --> 03:05:22,850
You have a presentation to present or not.

2287
03:05:22,850 --> 03:05:23,850
That's it.

2288
03:05:26,070 --> 03:05:26,530
Howdy.

2289
03:05:26,870 --> 03:05:31,330
Thank you very much for having us this evening.

2290
03:05:33,050 --> 03:05:39,030
What I think we all wanted to say to y'all is that we support any effort by the city

2291
03:05:39,790 --> 03:05:46,730
to provide areas with a diverse range of housing options and housing products, not just

2292
03:05:46,730 --> 03:05:51,050
for students, but for all of the colonization presidents.

2293
03:05:51,050 --> 03:06:01,230
In particular, we want to support any time that you all want to expand occupancy, but not just for students, but for all residents.

2294
03:06:02,390 --> 03:06:08,650
And one of the main reasons why we're here today is because recently about 1,600 students signed a petition,

2295
03:06:09,490 --> 03:06:16,710
asking to have places in the city to have expanded occupancy in their homes.

2296
03:06:17,470 --> 03:06:46,690
And so, I know that this is, in some cases, been framed as a resident student issue, I don't really think that we see it that way and I know that a lot of the speakers have been good and pushed back against that framing, I'm from college station of a lit here for two decades, that makes me a resident, I voted here, that makes me a voter, I'm also part of a family here and so I've always lived in neighborhoods and I think that students also want to live in neighborhoods.

2297
03:06:46,710 --> 03:06:49,390
but whether or not they're in any of those other categories.

2298
03:06:51,070 --> 03:07:01,070
And so we would like to encourage y'all to approve this this evening and continue to provide

2299
03:07:01,070 --> 03:07:06,010
a diverse range of housing options to students but also all residents and incentivize

2300
03:07:06,010 --> 03:07:09,910
the future construction of these sorts of housing products.

2301
03:07:10,610 --> 03:07:11,970
Thank you.

2302
03:07:12,130 --> 03:07:12,950
Thank you Mr. Carke.

2303
03:07:13,530 --> 03:07:14,670
I wanted to add to that.

2304
03:07:14,670 --> 03:07:18,290
So middle housing and hockey policy overlays, that's the thing that we're looking at on the

2305
03:07:18,290 --> 03:07:19,050
agenda tonight.

2306
03:07:20,350 --> 03:07:25,370
And middle housing and hockey policy overlays can provide many of the options, the diverse

2307
03:07:25,370 --> 03:07:26,730
options that students are needing.

2308
03:07:27,030 --> 03:07:33,270
There is an incredibly high rental housing burden in the city of college station and frankly

2309
03:07:33,270 --> 03:07:35,270
there's not enough affordable options for students.

2310
03:07:35,990 --> 03:07:38,690
Middle housing and hockey policy overlays can meet this need.

2311
03:07:38,690 --> 03:07:40,790
Just middle housing can be a long-term solution,

2312
03:07:41,270 --> 03:07:45,550
but given June 24 deadline of no more than four

2313
03:07:45,550 --> 03:07:48,510
proactive enforcement, middle housing and high

2314
03:07:48,510 --> 03:07:49,870
capacity overlays are necessary.

2315
03:07:50,690 --> 03:07:53,050
I become concerned that I feel like the areas

2316
03:07:53,050 --> 03:07:55,070
have been increasingly widdled down.

2317
03:07:55,370 --> 03:07:58,310
We're students can affordably live with more than four

2318
03:07:58,310 --> 03:08:01,250
individuals, whether that be bunk beds, sharing a room.

2319
03:08:01,750 --> 03:08:03,430
And so my encouragement this evening would just

2320
03:08:03,430 --> 03:08:07,130
be to confirm all of the areas and look for more areas

2321
03:08:07,130 --> 03:08:11,230
that meet the need that students can live affordably.

2322
03:08:13,800 --> 03:08:15,260
Mr. Applewhite.

2323
03:08:16,460 --> 03:08:21,940
Howdy, I'm Andrew Applewhite and as many of y'all know, I'm the CBI present here at A&M.

2324
03:08:22,720 --> 03:08:26,480
I have the honor of representing about 78,000 students.

2325
03:08:28,000 --> 03:08:34,220
Just as importantly, about 56,000 of those live in off-campus housing here in your community,

2326
03:08:34,780 --> 03:08:35,960
here in our community.

2327
03:08:36,540 --> 03:08:43,240
I'm here to speak for the overwhelming majority of their students, the rule, not the exception.

2328
03:08:44,060 --> 03:08:52,100
Some of what you have heard to not, has been the latter, but what I'm here to tell you is we are the Aggies, the Aggies are we.

2329
03:08:52,780 --> 03:09:01,400
We hold ourselves to six core values, respect, excellence, leadership, loyalty, integrity, and self-asservice.

2330
03:09:02,120 --> 03:09:07,800
We want to be your neighbors. We don't want to break the law. We want to serve this community

2331
03:09:08,400 --> 03:09:15,680
and we want to live within the law and thrive in this community. Within this, I humbly request

2332
03:09:15,680 --> 03:09:21,040
that you prove as much mental housing as possible, letting these students who are currently living

2333
03:09:21,040 --> 03:09:27,620
and housing built for students and letting them live within the law for this.

2334
03:09:28,560 --> 03:09:35,100
We're asking not that you've not enforced public nuisance laws because, like I said, we want

2335
03:09:35,100 --> 03:09:41,000
these enforce so that we can hold Aggies accountable in being good citizens and being good

2336
03:09:41,000 --> 03:09:42,580
residents in this community.

2337
03:09:44,240 --> 03:09:48,960
What we hear to ask you is to support Aggies and being able to afford housing.

2338
03:09:49,620 --> 03:09:56,240
Minimizing the supply any more than it all is, well, as demand stays the same or even increases,

2339
03:09:56,240 --> 03:10:01,040
This will only cause the price to rise.

2340
03:10:02,200 --> 03:10:08,920
Not only for students who want to live in more than four, long with more than four unrelated,

2341
03:10:09,680 --> 03:10:13,260
but for any student looking for reasonable rent prices.

2342
03:10:14,420 --> 03:10:18,620
Once again, I'm going to ask one request.

2343
03:10:21,280 --> 03:10:25,700
Councilman Melonley coded Star Wars and so I'm going to do the same.

2344
03:10:26,040 --> 03:10:28,600
Do or do not, there is no trial.

2345
03:10:30,420 --> 03:10:31,960
So this is what I'm going to ask you.

2346
03:10:32,040 --> 03:10:33,280
I'm going to ask you to do.

2347
03:10:33,560 --> 03:10:38,840
Please approve as much middle housing as possible to help Aggies live within their means

2348
03:10:38,840 --> 03:10:40,340
and live within the law.

2349
03:10:40,660 --> 03:10:42,100
Thank y'all so much.

2350
03:10:42,200 --> 03:10:43,520
Thank you, Mr. Applewood.

2351
03:10:48,880 --> 03:10:49,360
Okay.

2352
03:10:49,360 --> 03:10:52,900
Um, that brings me to the, oh, I'm sorry, Mr.

2353
03:10:53,440 --> 03:10:56,300
Karim Kagan was not part of that group, is he here?

2354
03:10:56,680 --> 03:10:57,160
She here?

2355
03:10:57,420 --> 03:11:00,680
He, he, he came over and said he, he decided he was not going to speak.

2356
03:11:01,040 --> 03:11:01,880
He will not be speaking.

2357
03:11:02,360 --> 03:11:03,880
Okay, thank you.

2358
03:11:05,040 --> 03:11:08,560
Okay, well, that, uh, that closes all of the, uh,

2359
03:11:08,640 --> 03:11:10,920
completes all of the people that it signed up to speak.

2360
03:11:11,600 --> 03:11:18,680
Um, I will, therefore, oh, we have written comments from a haily morr that is at your table

2361
03:11:18,680 --> 03:11:28,160
is in support of the middle housing. Therefore I'm going to close the public hearing and we're

2362
03:11:28,160 --> 03:11:42,200
going to proceed to have a discussion of 9.4 and the 9.5 and 9.6 and then 9.7 except for E and I would

2363
03:11:42,200 --> 03:11:47,880
ask Mr. Ostrowski if he has any further comments. Staff is in support of this as I understand

2364
03:11:47,880 --> 03:11:51,060
Do you have any further comments you wish to make?

2365
03:11:52,440 --> 03:11:56,880
Just a couple of clarifying comments here too.

2366
03:11:57,200 --> 03:12:00,080
Just want to note that from a land area perspective,

2367
03:12:00,660 --> 03:12:02,320
the area is going just to middle housing,

2368
03:12:02,520 --> 03:12:07,340
represent less than 1.5% of the land in the city of College Station.

2369
03:12:07,520 --> 03:12:08,600
The area is going to middle housing,

2370
03:12:09,300 --> 03:12:14,200
and who are just over 1.5% of the land area here.

2371
03:12:14,200 --> 03:12:21,160
I know comments were made about concerns regarding property values, middle housing, with the

2372
03:12:21,160 --> 03:12:25,900
identification of shared housing, I think can help some of those property values within

2373
03:12:25,900 --> 03:12:30,960
traditional single family districts, because it differentiates the use.

2374
03:12:31,620 --> 03:12:36,740
We had a comment before where a person would buy a home, tear down the structure and pay a lot

2375
03:12:36,740 --> 03:12:41,320
just for the land, since you can't do shared housing, and you couldn't do it before but they

2376
03:12:41,320 --> 03:12:46,000
being built. Since you can't do shared housing in general suburban or other single family's

2377
03:12:46,000 --> 03:12:51,260
own areas, you're likely going to see less of that. However, you do need to provide a place

2378
03:12:51,260 --> 03:12:57,200
where these structures or in these uses to go to add some additional density. This helps

2379
03:12:57,200 --> 03:13:02,300
with that. This is the first phase of that effort. All of the land that is before you tonight

2380
03:13:02,300 --> 03:13:06,760
has been identified in the compliant to serve as the next residential. The middle housing

2381
03:13:06,760 --> 03:13:12,520
is a buffer. It is a buffer between neighborhood conservation and general suburban to some

2382
03:13:12,520 --> 03:13:17,780
of the higher other intense zoning districts, including multi-family commercial. So this does

2383
03:13:17,780 --> 03:13:22,800
do that and I think it meets all of the criteria that we set up to do. This has been a very

2384
03:13:22,800 --> 03:13:27,820
public process that we've gone through. We've had a committee help establish to identify some of

2385
03:13:27,820 --> 03:13:32,500
these areas and you're talking about a year to go through that and I think we've been very diligent

2386
03:13:32,500 --> 03:13:36,660
and going through that and identifying the specific areas that would be appropriate for this.

2387
03:13:37,560 --> 03:13:44,440
Can you remind us what the council directed you to do and when we did the original direction?

2388
03:13:45,100 --> 03:14:05,240
Sure, so when we adopted the middle housing zoning district and when we created a definition for shared housing council directed staff to formulate a group and identify areas for potential rezoning to move forward that was a request by several individuals who had concern.

2389
03:14:05,240 --> 03:14:08,300
And one we created a definition of shared housing.

2390
03:14:08,620 --> 03:14:12,340
Staff did do that, created the committee, looked in an identified areas.

2391
03:14:12,780 --> 03:14:18,280
Those areas were then brought back to council for the direction, council gave that direction.

2392
03:14:18,980 --> 03:14:23,520
We went out for public comment, received a number of public comments, modified those

2393
03:14:23,520 --> 03:14:30,000
areas, modified the UDO to address the high occupancy overlay, brought that back to council

2394
03:14:30,000 --> 03:14:35,560
in August with the particular areas that were identified both for middle housing and middle

2395
03:14:35,560 --> 03:14:40,300
housing with a who took that recommendation or a direction from council and then has now

2396
03:14:40,300 --> 03:14:42,240
gone through the former rezoning process.

2397
03:14:42,660 --> 03:14:45,680
And in August did we not remove some areas?

2398
03:14:45,940 --> 03:14:47,800
In August we did remove areas.

2399
03:14:47,920 --> 03:14:53,060
Some of them at your recommendation I think in a couple of cases maybe we asked to have them

2400
03:14:53,060 --> 03:14:55,600
taken out or I think you gave us an option.

2401
03:14:55,900 --> 03:14:56,480
That is correct.

2402
03:14:58,340 --> 03:14:59,800
Okay, a question, Mr.

2403
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:06,740
I think I'm closing the public hearing. So we're now out to the questions for the council. Miss Harrell.

2404
03:15:08,700 --> 03:15:22,740
So two weeks ago we appointed a 13 member housing committee. What is their role? Obviously, nothing to do with middle or shared housing, or why did we do that?

2405
03:15:22,740 --> 03:15:31,500
So, the intent there was to look at options in how we can create some more affordable products within the community.

2406
03:15:32,180 --> 03:15:42,760
I think a larger role would be to look at kind of the fees that we charge, incentives that we can offer to create and get some additional housing within the community.

2407
03:15:43,080 --> 03:15:46,300
But also adding housing supply helps address that concern.

2408
03:15:46,300 --> 03:16:00,300
I would like to make a recommendation they probably haven't even met yet that we postpone any kind of about until the housing committee has a chance to review this.

2409
03:16:02,140 --> 03:16:10,440
Basically what you're saying is the same thing. You've already got one set of housing you're setting aside. Now you're saying maybe look for some other.

2410
03:16:10,440 --> 03:16:13,280
Let's, why did we appoint these people?

2411
03:16:13,940 --> 03:16:17,160
Let's give them the opportunity to look at these.

2412
03:16:17,300 --> 03:16:20,260
I have to, it's pretty overwhelming when you look at your graphs

2413
03:16:20,260 --> 03:16:22,560
and see all these little shiny dots.

2414
03:16:23,400 --> 03:16:26,300
I had to say it means nothing to me to sit in there looking at it

2415
03:16:26,300 --> 03:16:28,200
unless I want to go drive around the city.

2416
03:16:28,760 --> 03:16:31,540
So I think we should postpone voting on anything,

2417
03:16:31,880 --> 03:16:36,300
especially as a group of options.

2418
03:16:37,160 --> 03:16:38,880
Let's get our housing committee to this.

2419
03:16:38,880 --> 03:16:39,940
Why are we appointed?

2420
03:16:40,540 --> 03:16:50,240
Could you explain the difference between what we're doing here and what that is not a step-by-step phase by phase consideration?

2421
03:16:51,040 --> 03:17:00,360
So the middle housing zoning that are before you tonight really come from our comprehensive plan that we adopted in 2021,

2422
03:17:00,360 --> 03:17:04,120
on, which not only established mixed residential

2423
03:17:04,120 --> 03:17:06,800
as a use to provide these transition areas,

2424
03:17:06,820 --> 03:17:11,780
to provide these areas that can see an increase in density,

2425
03:17:12,260 --> 03:17:14,540
but not to the level of multi-family.

2426
03:17:15,020 --> 03:17:16,520
Also within our components of plan,

2427
03:17:16,800 --> 03:17:19,560
we identified creating a middle housing zoning district.

2428
03:17:19,660 --> 03:17:22,960
That was one of the actions that comes out of that.

2429
03:17:23,240 --> 03:17:25,160
So we've done both of those.

2430
03:17:25,340 --> 03:17:30,040
We then also had a committee review the areas in that committee

2431
03:17:30,040 --> 03:17:33,660
was made up of, you know, from a developer standpoint,

2432
03:17:33,980 --> 03:17:36,440
had an MREP on it, had neighborhood reps on it

2433
03:17:36,440 --> 03:17:38,840
to look at each one of these particular areas

2434
03:17:38,840 --> 03:17:41,000
and kind of look on the street by street

2435
03:17:41,000 --> 03:17:43,880
to identify the areas to take for consideration,

2436
03:17:44,940 --> 03:17:47,220
recognizing that there's a need for additional density.

2437
03:17:47,940 --> 03:17:50,640
The housing action committee is going to be looking,

2438
03:17:50,880 --> 03:17:53,060
yes, at housing supply, but they're going to be looking

2439
03:17:53,060 --> 03:17:56,000
at other components in terms of affordability,

2440
03:17:56,180 --> 03:17:59,060
but we do need additional areas for density right now.

2441
03:17:59,060 --> 03:18:03,500
So we did have a committee already that it worked. Yes, we did.

2442
03:18:04,060 --> 03:18:09,520
diligently early in this middle housing phase. So there's been a citizen committee that got us this far.

2443
03:18:09,760 --> 03:18:17,080
So we had a seven member committee three neighborhood reps, three development community real estate reps and one rep from A&M.

2444
03:18:18,740 --> 03:18:22,650
Thank you. Other questions, Mr. Wright?

2445
03:18:23,910 --> 03:18:30,250
Not so much a question, but you said something very important earlier, because it is effectively

2446
03:18:30,250 --> 03:18:38,170
what we initially set out to do, which was to stop the building of stealth dorms in single

2447
03:18:38,170 --> 03:18:43,070
family neighborhoods, and that is what we have effectively done, and I don't want to lose sight

2448
03:18:43,070 --> 03:18:48,810
of that as we talk about this, that we have outlawed them, and places where they are not middle

2449
03:18:48,810 --> 03:18:54,710
housing or with a who that is correct. So we have not issued a single permit for those types

2450
03:18:54,710 --> 03:19:00,250
of structures within any areas in the family. And that was a decade long fight that we

2451
03:19:00,250 --> 03:19:05,570
actually accomplished over a year long middle housing committee and get us to this point

2452
03:19:05,570 --> 03:19:10,910
here. And I would say we'd on average issue about 40 to 50 permits for those types of structures

2453
03:19:10,910 --> 03:19:12,210
every year.

2454
03:19:15,030 --> 03:19:17,990
Mr. Smith, let's go now.

2455
03:19:21,300 --> 03:19:26,880
Could you clarify for us if the area is owned just from middle housing, like the area around

2456
03:19:26,880 --> 03:19:31,540
Navarro, can an Agashack be built if it's just middle housing?

2457
03:19:31,600 --> 03:19:32,420
Looking at it.

2458
03:19:32,420 --> 03:19:33,500
Thank you.

2459
03:19:36,050 --> 03:19:36,850
Mr. Hansen?

2460
03:19:37,890 --> 03:19:45,030
Yes sir, Mr. Strausky, which letter designation on the map is the area of Welsh and Navarro?

2461
03:19:45,730 --> 03:19:51,730
It may be, can you pop the mats or the press and test place, BDD and FF, are the areas

2462
03:19:51,730 --> 03:19:53,270
be south of Harvey Mitchell?

2463
03:19:53,710 --> 03:19:55,010
Say those letters one more time.

2464
03:19:55,070 --> 03:19:59,850
It'd be a map for, and all of the areas a map for are in the General Sumeria.

2465
03:20:00,670 --> 03:20:02,750
DDD and FF.

2466
03:20:03,070 --> 03:20:05,230
All of the areas on map for.

2467
03:20:06,780 --> 03:20:10,080
All of the areas a map for are in the Navarro area correct.

2468
03:20:13,810 --> 03:20:17,110
So Navarro is right in the middle between DDD and E.

2469
03:20:17,110 --> 03:20:18,170
and

2470
03:20:22,230 --> 03:20:27,670
this is middle housing only. There's no high occupancy overlay here. This is middle

2471
03:20:27,670 --> 03:20:33,070
housing only and as we went through the public engagement in June when middle housing

2472
03:20:33,070 --> 03:20:38,130
did include shared housing as a permitted use. One of the most local areas was this area

2473
03:20:38,130 --> 03:20:43,230
because of that concern. So that was one of the main reasons why we removed shared housing

2474
03:20:43,230 --> 03:20:47,630
from middle housing in only allowed in areas that would be designated for high occupancy.

2475
03:20:47,630 --> 03:20:50,770
So in this area, you could not have a shared housing risk.

2476
03:20:51,190 --> 03:20:52,910
So I think I know the answer to this,

2477
03:20:53,030 --> 03:20:55,530
but for the folks back home, our bosses,

2478
03:20:56,470 --> 03:21:02,850
what can go into never to include more than four,

2479
03:21:04,010 --> 03:21:06,970
What all can go in, give me some housing types

2480
03:21:06,970 --> 03:21:11,850
that can go into DDE and FF on that four.

2481
03:21:12,030 --> 03:21:14,750
So the permitted housing types in middle housing,

2482
03:21:14,850 --> 03:21:16,330
which could go into these areas,

2483
03:21:16,330 --> 03:21:23,010
would be anything from a single family, a duplex, a triplex, anything up to a medium

2484
03:21:23,010 --> 03:21:28,770
multiplex, which can be five to 12 units within a single structure. However, when you

2485
03:21:28,770 --> 03:21:34,350
have some of those larger units, you need to assemble enough land area in order to do

2486
03:21:34,350 --> 03:21:39,090
that. So ultimately, the density is fairly similar when you have some of these smaller

2487
03:21:39,090 --> 03:21:45,230
lots and go families compared to let's say a medium or smaller medium multiplex what about

2488
03:21:45,230 --> 03:21:51,370
the area of hollock what's the what's the letter designator on hollock

2489
03:21:55,020 --> 03:21:57,060
so hollock I believe

2490
03:21:57,060 --> 03:22:02,080
that was over here in l it's the same thing with middle housing only

2491
03:22:13,380 --> 03:22:18,120
thank you more can we go back to

2492
03:22:18,120 --> 03:22:19,680
not for a place.

2493
03:22:22,830 --> 03:22:28,130
If I'm not mistaken, this is the steeple chase subdivision that was

2494
03:22:28,130 --> 03:22:38,850
plated in 1998. And there were small houses there, basically built for rental units for

2495
03:22:38,850 --> 03:22:39,850
most part.

2496
03:22:42,860 --> 03:22:52,420
So that's been going on 25 years, I guess. Yeah, 25 years. So it would take an

2497
03:22:52,420 --> 03:22:57,960
invested to come in there and buy quite a few of those lots in order to be able to increase

2498
03:22:57,960 --> 03:23:02,120
the density in there if you wanted to under the middle housing to be able to do a small

2499
03:23:02,120 --> 03:23:05,600
12 unit complex, right?

2500
03:23:06,500 --> 03:23:11,340
If they wanted to do a smaller medium multiplex, yeah, they have to require several lots.

2501
03:23:12,080 --> 03:23:17,260
What I see happening more with middle housing, just middle housing, it's an incremental

2502
03:23:17,260 --> 03:23:18,340
approach, right?

2503
03:23:18,340 --> 03:23:23,640
You're going to have a lot that may be as coaches, let's say if a structure is on there,

2504
03:23:23,960 --> 03:23:26,840
it's torn down, maybe it's created then two lots, all right?

2505
03:23:26,840 --> 03:23:29,800
So you kind of double the density in that instance.

2506
03:23:30,600 --> 03:23:35,260
I don't see this being, you know, tomorrow we're going to have a whole bunch of redevelopment in

2507
03:23:35,260 --> 03:23:35,780
these areas.

2508
03:23:36,080 --> 03:23:38,720
It is going to take decades for that to occur.

2509
03:23:39,260 --> 03:23:44,100
Now in the areas that would have a who associated with it, because of the profit margin

2510
03:23:44,100 --> 03:23:47,980
And with shirt housing, you probably will see a faster

2511
03:23:47,980 --> 03:23:49,620
redevelopment of those areas.

2512
03:23:50,100 --> 03:23:51,880
But in the areas with just middle housing,

2513
03:23:52,300 --> 03:23:54,240
it will be a long time before a lot

2514
03:23:54,240 --> 03:23:55,200
of those even transition.

2515
03:23:56,140 --> 03:23:58,520
It just wouldn't make financial sense for an

2516
03:23:58,520 --> 03:24:00,200
invested to do that when it has the options

2517
03:24:00,200 --> 03:24:02,080
with the shared housing areas in the middle

2518
03:24:02,920 --> 03:24:05,160
and the high occupancy areas.

2519
03:24:06,020 --> 03:24:08,320
So I remember that was the first subdivision I worked

2520
03:24:08,320 --> 03:24:10,160
on as a planning zoning commission with James

2521
03:24:11,360 --> 03:24:19,080
massing and this and Carl Mooney. How many more rounds of city initiated

2522
03:24:19,080 --> 03:24:26,640
rezoning are we looking at? So we looked at two different phases. The first phases were

2523
03:24:26,640 --> 03:24:33,600
the properties that were easily too to identify in terms of moving forward where let's

2524
03:24:33,600 --> 03:24:38,280
say they didn't have floodplain on it. They were already plated or surveyed. The next phase

2525
03:24:38,280 --> 03:24:43,680
is a smaller phase moving forward, but those are the properties that we'll have to do some

2526
03:24:43,680 --> 03:24:44,420
surveying work.

2527
03:24:44,620 --> 03:24:49,920
You've proved an SLA to hire a surveyer to look at those properties, but this is a majority

2528
03:24:49,920 --> 03:24:51,800
of them for city initiated.

2529
03:24:52,800 --> 03:24:57,640
One of the concerns that we had heard when we heard some of the private side coming in

2530
03:24:58,200 --> 03:25:02,500
is that Council Head Indicated and PNZ had indicated that they wanted to see larger areas

2531
03:25:02,500 --> 03:25:07,240
coming in so they can kind of look holistically at that and not seeing a single, you know,

2532
03:25:07,240 --> 03:25:11,620
to individual lots coming in but to answer your question it's it's probably less and

2533
03:25:11,620 --> 03:25:16,660
half of what we're seeing here. Less than half remains in terms of the areas

2534
03:25:16,660 --> 03:25:21,820
and it'll come to us in how many rounds. Those will probably come to you more

2535
03:25:21,820 --> 03:25:27,220
individually and make sure there's probably six to seven additional areas to move

2536
03:25:27,220 --> 03:25:32,680
forward so those will come to you in smaller batches. And just because if it goes

2537
03:25:32,680 --> 03:25:39,340
middle housing tonight. Let's say that this area is approved. In some investor gets the idea that they're going to buy

2538
03:25:39,340 --> 03:25:42,980
four adjacent lots and they're going to put a 12 unit

2539
03:25:43,740 --> 03:25:45,300
complex, right?

2540
03:25:46,680 --> 03:25:48,760
That is a whole separate

2541
03:25:49,680 --> 03:25:58,440
permitting process. The folks around will be given notice and opportunity or no and opportunity to weigh in.

2542
03:25:58,440 --> 03:26:08,380
So, by resuming the property, those product types are allowed by right, so if they met the zoning requirements, they met the lot size, they met the parking, they met the landscaping.

2543
03:26:08,860 --> 03:26:12,640
Those would be permitted by right and they could go ahead without further approval.

2544
03:26:13,120 --> 03:26:18,320
So it's it's resowned and there's no putting out of the sign, there's no.

2545
03:26:18,540 --> 03:26:22,620
It's just like any other permitted use that would be allowed in their district.

2546
03:26:22,620 --> 03:26:52,600
And one of the things as we created the middle housing zoning district was to look at certain design standards, let's say, for the larger type structures and other specific requirements, so with those structures, it's a common point of entry, trying to make it look more like a single type development, it's got extra buffering standards, there's height protection standards, especially on the periphery of these these areas, so we have built those standards in, but the intent with the middle housing zoning district.

2547
03:26:53,060 --> 03:26:58,620
was to create an opportunity to have these to be built by right where you didn't have to bring them back every single time.

2548
03:26:59,280 --> 03:27:04,800
You know, if you have a potential project that was looking at doing, you know, a senior family, but then wanted to switch to due practices.

2549
03:27:05,380 --> 03:27:12,680
Right now, you'd have to bring that back for a rezoning or vice versa. This allows you to build whatever those are permitted products are allowed with a middle housing.

2550
03:27:12,800 --> 03:27:20,320
In the middle housing is unique in that there's so many different structured types that are approved within the zone. Is that a fair statement?

2551
03:27:20,320 --> 03:27:27,900
That is correct. And there's no protocol. We establish no protocol when we're going to go single

2552
03:27:27,900 --> 03:27:39,000
family, doplex, quadplex, 12 unit, single family, single family. There's no protocol by which

2553
03:27:39,000 --> 03:27:44,300
that can go back to the residents. Once it's done, it's done.

2554
03:27:44,680 --> 03:27:48,680
So, once it's rezoned any product type that is allowed and permitted by right can be built,

2555
03:27:48,680 --> 03:27:52,880
The protocol and the requirements are set by the zoning district standards.

2556
03:27:57,420 --> 03:27:58,100
Thank you.

2557
03:27:58,140 --> 03:28:03,660
And I would argue too that, you know, this has, you know, while you don't see it, maybe in this instance,

2558
03:28:03,920 --> 03:28:04,900
and maybe you do.

2559
03:28:05,000 --> 03:28:08,020
You've got a number of due practices about a single family.

2560
03:28:08,200 --> 03:28:12,060
I mean, throughout areas of the community, if you look within neighborhoods kind of the

2561
03:28:12,060 --> 03:28:14,640
changing of different product types, they're there.

2562
03:28:15,080 --> 03:28:18,260
But they've always been there for a very long time and it's very subtle.

2563
03:28:18,260 --> 03:28:24,320
So the goal is to kind of get there as well as create additional density within these particular areas.

2564
03:28:26,950 --> 03:28:36,370
One question, do we anticipate any green field middle housing developments?

2565
03:28:37,770 --> 03:28:38,390
They can.

2566
03:28:39,050 --> 03:28:42,590
They have not identified any with this particular phase.

2567
03:28:42,870 --> 03:28:48,130
And we have very little larger green field properties left.

2568
03:28:49,130 --> 03:28:52,190
There's a larger property on Graham Road.

2569
03:28:52,830 --> 03:28:53,850
There's a few others.

2570
03:28:54,670 --> 03:28:57,710
But when we look at where those properties are,

2571
03:28:57,870 --> 03:29:00,150
we also need to keep in mind kind of what the future

2572
03:29:00,150 --> 03:29:02,550
of land use designation of those properties are.

2573
03:29:02,750 --> 03:29:04,050
And some of those green field developments

2574
03:29:04,050 --> 03:29:07,330
are either commercial or there are a zone rural

2575
03:29:07,650 --> 03:29:10,250
or there are zone some other classification

2576
03:29:10,250 --> 03:29:12,430
or future land use that's some other classification

2577
03:29:12,430 --> 03:29:14,850
that would not allow middle housing currently.

2578
03:29:16,270 --> 03:29:17,270
But it could happen.

2579
03:29:17,270 --> 03:29:17,910
Yes.

2580
03:29:20,500 --> 03:29:21,480
Mr. Moana.

2581
03:29:22,140 --> 03:29:27,140
Just a little historical perspective here. Back in 1998, when this was just past

2582
03:29:27,140 --> 03:29:37,620
your land, and this subdivision plan came before the planning zone commission. We had

2583
03:29:37,620 --> 03:29:44,960
residents from Clovis Court as tech court, O'Lero Court, Cortez Court, Durango Court,

2584
03:29:44,960 --> 03:29:51,880
and metal brick court and oak brick court, just raise cane about how you're ruining

2585
03:29:51,880 --> 03:29:55,740
our neighborhood and you're ruining our quality of life and things are falling apart

2586
03:29:55,740 --> 03:29:57,540
when you build this.

2587
03:30:00,430 --> 03:30:09,310
We went ahead and required single-family homes to butt up to the green space between the courts.

2588
03:30:10,110 --> 03:30:13,170
And it went through and families are living there.

2589
03:30:13,650 --> 03:30:29,390
And now 25 years later, we're seeing that the needs of the community are changing, and this area is more suited for the middle housing classification.

2590
03:30:30,790 --> 03:30:35,390
And as my colleagues were pointing out, none of this is going to change with any kind of

2591
03:30:35,390 --> 03:30:35,750
repeat it.

2592
03:30:35,830 --> 03:30:40,010
It's not going to happen very quickly, but it's just that once it's zoned this way,

2593
03:30:40,130 --> 03:30:50,630
we know that this area is legally allowed to build within the confines and the requirements

2594
03:30:50,630 --> 03:30:58,170
of middle housing, but the areas surrounding it, they're protected from being changed.

2595
03:30:59,110 --> 03:31:04,530
So, you're doing what the students have been asking us to do and what our neighbors have been doing.

2596
03:31:04,710 --> 03:31:16,930
It's fine areas where we can protect the single family homes and still be able to provide multi-family housing in certain segments of the community.

2597
03:31:17,150 --> 03:31:19,010
It's a great, great area for it.

2598
03:31:22,700 --> 03:31:27,440
I do want to quickly mention this is not just a student housing initiative.

2599
03:31:27,440 --> 03:31:34,240
middle housing is intended to provide a more affordable product, more home ownership

2600
03:31:34,240 --> 03:31:39,260
opportunities. You know what we've seen here through the middle housing and the

2601
03:31:39,260 --> 03:31:43,120
creation of that district one of the unique things about it is that each one

2602
03:31:43,120 --> 03:31:48,240
of these structures needs to be on an individually plated lot. So that helps with

2603
03:31:48,240 --> 03:31:50,900
some of the home ownership opportunities. Yeah.

2604
03:31:53,340 --> 03:31:56,920
Any other questions or comments? Let me just

2605
03:31:56,920 --> 03:32:04,300
to try to provide a little bit of my perspective, at least, Ms.

2606
03:32:04,520 --> 03:32:12,640
Vincent earlier talked about the stages of the processes we're going through and we've

2607
03:32:12,640 --> 03:32:21,460
engaged with the community staff, the University, with respect to a host of different pieces

2608
03:32:21,460 --> 03:32:26,560
of this puzzle that we're trying to move forward several of the citizens talked about.

2609
03:32:26,560 --> 03:32:35,560
what comes next, middle housing is one of those areas that we are committed to dealing with.

2610
03:32:35,980 --> 03:32:41,820
And I think we have had a pretty thorough process,

2611
03:32:44,120 --> 03:32:46,460
the concern about middle housing

2612
03:32:46,460 --> 03:32:54,420
and what kind of products could be permitted in that was debated long and hard by previous

2613
03:32:54,420 --> 03:33:06,740
council and I think at that time we understood that eventually properties might be re-organized

2614
03:33:06,740 --> 03:33:09,700
in certain ways that would allow some of those even cutting.

2615
03:33:09,860 --> 03:33:13,760
We talked a lot about cottage developments that you could do in here but you got to have

2616
03:33:13,760 --> 03:33:17,800
a lot of land and you got to have green space and you got to have a lot of amenity attachments

2617
03:33:17,800 --> 03:33:29,510
to it. And I understand that there might still be some second guessing of that, but yet

2618
03:33:29,510 --> 03:33:37,250
we have committed to a zoning category called middle housing, and we have defined it. And

2619
03:33:37,250 --> 03:33:43,690
we now have to put it in operation, and that's really where it always gets to be the problem

2620
03:33:43,690 --> 03:33:50,710
because we're the last ones to have to make the final decisions on these things.

2621
03:33:52,050 --> 03:33:57,530
I will say that the state legislature this last year didn't pass it, but there was quite

2622
03:33:57,530 --> 03:34:07,070
a bit of momentum to really change land use patterns and cities to make them very dense or

2623
03:34:07,070 --> 03:34:13,710
make great opportunities and make them very dense, at the TML Convention, there was a whole

2624
03:34:13,710 --> 03:34:18,310
session on densification of urban areas.

2625
03:34:19,930 --> 03:34:27,590
And basically the momentum is that all over the country we're going to have to be dealing

2626
03:34:27,590 --> 03:34:37,050
with increasing density in a city like ours where we really don't have very many annexation

2627
03:34:37,050 --> 03:34:45,190
opportunities. We can avoid all of this and say we're not going to make things more

2628
03:34:45,190 --> 03:34:51,650
dense, but you're going to have a lot of sprawl into the county. And now we have people

2629
03:34:51,650 --> 03:34:59,930
withdrawing from ETAs and the legislature could easily do away with ETAs in the next four

2630
03:34:59,930 --> 03:35:10,210
to six years, and they might allow, by right, without us having anything to say about it,

2631
03:35:10,310 --> 03:35:17,850
the opportunity to put two dwelling units on any existing single-family property. I mean,

2632
03:35:17,850 --> 03:35:22,250
that's what they're talking about. And what we're talking about with middle housing here

2633
03:35:22,250 --> 03:35:29,050
is controlling our own destiny in a way that we can define some areas where we can have landing

2634
03:35:29,050 --> 03:35:39,930
places for people with creative opportunities about increasing density and as Michael said earlier

2635
03:35:39,930 --> 03:35:46,070
it could be that they buy two lots and divided into three and build three properties on

2636
03:35:46,070 --> 03:35:53,010
the two or if lots of big enough you could split in half almost all of the properties

2637
03:35:53,010 --> 03:35:58,050
were talking about are rental properties currently and so they are there for the people

2638
03:35:59,110 --> 03:36:04,690
Certainly, the investors have thought of them as being useful in-come investments.

2639
03:36:05,470 --> 03:36:12,390
They are absolutely serving a lot of working-class people, people with moderate income,

2640
03:36:12,550 --> 03:36:13,190
absolutely.

2641
03:36:13,950 --> 03:36:14,770
I think that's important.

2642
03:36:14,850 --> 03:36:17,630
I don't think we're trying to upset that at all in any way.

2643
03:36:19,230 --> 03:36:26,110
I think we do have a commitment to move this agenda item forward, and I think it's been

2644
03:36:26,110 --> 03:36:33,490
out in a pretty careful way. There is nothing perfect when Dr. Blanch Brick and I discussed

2645
03:36:33,490 --> 03:36:41,530
this as she intimated many times over her six or eight years on council. I was one of those

2646
03:36:41,530 --> 03:36:45,550
that kind of dragged my feet because I couldn't see how you could do it without a lot of controversy

2647
03:36:45,550 --> 03:36:51,870
and where are you going to put this stuff? And she kept working on me and working on me. And now I

2648
03:36:51,870 --> 03:36:56,730
I certainly have seen a light, particularly with the growing pressures on the community,

2649
03:36:56,950 --> 03:36:58,890
not just from student housing,

2650
03:37:00,970 --> 03:37:07,650
but from housing that crosses the entire array of income

2651
03:37:07,650 --> 03:37:08,150
structure.

2652
03:37:08,930 --> 03:37:10,450
I think we got to face facts.

2653
03:37:10,490 --> 03:37:11,850
We just got to do it.

2654
03:37:12,330 --> 03:37:17,250
And this is, to my way of thinking, a very deliberate process that we got to this point.

2655
03:37:17,250 --> 03:37:26,250
And I believe we have to move the agenda forward if there are additional areas to be brought in.

2656
03:37:26,790 --> 03:37:30,170
We'll have to look at each one of those and we'll have to apply the same criteria.

2657
03:37:31,430 --> 03:37:37,790
And we may decide, again, like we did this time, after the public hearings you take a few pieces out.

2658
03:37:37,870 --> 03:37:42,250
You don't include some pieces because you got public hearing feedback.

2659
03:37:43,070 --> 03:37:47,950
That happened here with a very thoughtful committee, and then a very thoughtful process.

2660
03:37:49,150 --> 03:37:56,970
So I think it's time for us to realize the vision that people like Dr. Burkhead and others

2661
03:37:56,970 --> 03:38:04,070
and move this item forward, so that's my thoughts on the process at the moment.

2662
03:38:04,410 --> 03:38:06,990
Mr. Mayor, are we going to be about to move to the well of the council?

2663
03:38:07,670 --> 03:38:10,650
I'm about to ask Mr. Wright, he raises hand.

2664
03:38:11,690 --> 03:38:18,010
Please do. I'll make a motion to approve 9-4 through 9-7 excluding 9-7E.

2665
03:38:18,130 --> 03:38:19,210
Okay, we have a motion.

2666
03:38:19,630 --> 03:38:22,890
There, I'd like to amend the motion to-

2667
03:38:22,890 --> 03:38:25,050
There's no motion on the floor as in all seconds.

2668
03:38:26,710 --> 03:38:28,450
Okay, we now have a second.

2669
03:38:29,350 --> 03:38:29,690
Mayor Neckles.

2670
03:38:30,150 --> 03:38:33,790
Now we have a motion on the floor and second and Mr. Yen, see your four years.

2671
03:38:34,490 --> 03:38:35,330
Thank you, Mayor Nichols.

2672
03:38:35,330 --> 03:38:41,850
I move that we strike map four in its entirety area, I, in the area, encompassing hollock

2673
03:38:41,850 --> 03:38:52,270
and roll it until phase two, which we know will come before us in the next trunch of

2674
03:38:52,270 --> 03:38:53,990
land use changes.

2675
03:38:54,310 --> 03:39:03,530
He said, all of my area four in map four, and what area I, and the letter designator Jason

2676
03:39:03,530 --> 03:39:04,550
to hollock.

2677
03:39:11,240 --> 03:39:13,360
Make sure we got it right. I don't

2678
03:39:15,680 --> 03:39:19,360
So you're looking to remove area i on map one

2679
03:39:20,020 --> 03:39:26,680
Which would be rezoning to middle housing with a hoop area L

2680
03:39:27,480 --> 03:39:29,540
Which is the area map two?

2681
03:39:29,840 --> 03:39:38,900
He didn't do did you say oh the area adjacent to hollock. Oh, I think I'm calling hollock and then map four and it's entirety

2682
03:39:38,900 --> 03:39:44,430
And I'd like to speak to the motion if you'll out there if

2683
03:39:44,990 --> 03:39:45,870
It passes.

2684
03:39:52,490 --> 03:39:53,650
I don't see a second.

2685
03:39:53,930 --> 03:39:55,430
Did you call for one?

2686
03:39:55,810 --> 03:39:56,790
I don't hear a second.

2687
03:39:57,010 --> 03:39:58,950
I'll take it.

2688
03:39:58,990 --> 03:39:59,870
Okay, thank you.

2689
03:39:59,870 --> 03:40:00,910
Mr. Smith, second.

2690
03:40:03,030 --> 03:40:03,770
Okay, speak to your wife.

2691
03:40:05,750 --> 03:40:07,470
I guess first and foremost,

2692
03:40:09,610 --> 03:40:13,140
I have a sense that, you know,

2693
03:40:13,340 --> 03:40:16,260
this is what happens when we allow

2694
03:40:17,700 --> 03:40:20,540
when my beloved city allows a dead letter law

2695
03:40:20,540 --> 03:40:32,920
to prevail and then we tried to put the genie back into the bottle after not enforcing the laws on the books for as long as we did.

2696
03:40:32,940 --> 03:40:39,440
I think it's also a symptom of my beloved alma mater not keeping up with on campus housing.

2697
03:40:40,760 --> 03:40:44,840
I am extremely appreciative of staff and what they're trying to do.

2698
03:40:44,840 --> 03:40:50,040
And I don't propose that these areas be stricken from consideration.

2699
03:40:50,840 --> 03:40:54,760
I propose that these areas be postponed into the next tranche,

2700
03:40:54,760 --> 03:40:59,140
so as the folks in that area who are all of our bosses

2701
03:40:59,840 --> 03:41:03,640
have the opportunity to come together in and speak to this going forward.

2702
03:41:03,680 --> 03:41:09,080
I think the amount of land, even excluding these areas is sufficient enough

2703
03:41:09,080 --> 03:41:16,400
to where we can see where you, Mr. Strausky, can see as the permanent applications come flowing

2704
03:41:16,400 --> 03:41:21,460
in, what this process is going to look like without

2705
03:41:23,900 --> 03:41:26,640
such a large sweeping land change

2706
03:41:26,640 --> 03:41:27,460
all at once.

2707
03:41:28,060 --> 03:41:29,080
Thank you, Mayor Nichols.

2708
03:41:29,080 --> 03:41:30,700
What's this math?

2709
03:41:30,880 --> 03:41:32,100
Maybe we'll just make you second.

2710
03:41:35,560 --> 03:41:46,400
I appreciate the looking at this and pulling these items aside for further consideration.

2711
03:41:48,760 --> 03:41:54,680
I think it's something it gives us a certain we're being more deliberate in the way that we approach this.

2712
03:41:54,680 --> 03:42:18,700
And again, there are many in this that we're not pulling out of the motion that are very appropriate, and we're making a big step towards a high occupancy overlays, adding some possibilities out there.

2713
03:42:18,700 --> 03:42:37,380
And so it isn't like we're doing nothing but I do agree that being a little bit more deliberate and how we get there and we can come back at the next round if issues get resolved on these issues on these items, we can address them at that time.

2714
03:42:39,260 --> 03:42:40,660
Anyone else wish to speak to the motion?

2715
03:42:40,660 --> 03:42:44,580
I don't need any amendment.

2716
03:42:45,560 --> 03:42:45,860
Sorry.

2717
03:42:46,220 --> 03:42:51,580
I will once again request that we postpone voting on these until we have a chance.

2718
03:42:51,580 --> 03:42:54,920
The motion is about just these three.

2719
03:42:55,100 --> 03:42:57,720
And it was the exception of the.

2720
03:42:57,740 --> 03:42:58,320
No, no.

2721
03:42:58,320 --> 03:42:59,780
It just goes to read it.

2722
03:42:59,920 --> 03:43:01,620
This is the amendment to the motion.

2723
03:43:02,120 --> 03:43:04,020
It's the three that they're talking about.

2724
03:43:04,860 --> 03:43:06,100
That's all the amendment was.

2725
03:43:06,520 --> 03:43:07,500
I just saying.

2726
03:43:08,000 --> 03:43:08,140
Okay.

2727
03:43:08,140 --> 03:43:11,320
Yeah, yeah, I assume you're supporting them, Emma.

2728
03:43:11,560 --> 03:43:12,140
I'm just saying that.

2729
03:43:14,060 --> 03:43:15,140
Mr. Mark Morning.

2730
03:43:16,380 --> 03:43:18,940
So, I'm no problem with that going back and talking.

2731
03:43:19,500 --> 03:43:28,380
And so, Michael, you go back with your staff and we may end up carving out some of this steep which I subdivision.

2732
03:43:29,060 --> 03:43:32,020
It's what I think would come out of this, I would thank.

2733
03:43:33,800 --> 03:43:48,280
I think if we go back and look at the steeple chase area again on the whole, there may be some areas where we might want to carve some of that out and not have it be middle housing, I think that would be the intent.

2734
03:43:50,020 --> 03:43:55,880
I can't think about it now, but there are folks that say they did not receive notification

2735
03:43:55,880 --> 03:44:00,520
and they'd like to have to be at the table and have a discussion, so I have no problem

2736
03:44:00,520 --> 03:44:01,500
with that.

2737
03:44:01,940 --> 03:44:09,320
I think the area is right for change, I remember the controversy when actually approved

2738
03:44:09,320 --> 03:44:15,600
that subdivision and I know it's all done for rental, basically for rental units, all

2739
03:44:15,600 --> 03:44:20,920
investors and many, many of those buildings actually kept the houses that they built and

2740
03:44:20,920 --> 03:44:21,320
doplex.

2741
03:44:22,080 --> 03:44:26,380
So, I'm fine, but they didn't get their chance to have their voices heard, then I think

2742
03:44:26,380 --> 03:44:27,040
we should.

2743
03:44:27,040 --> 03:44:34,140
So, I just want to comment on that the only area that had an issue with the notices was

2744
03:44:34,140 --> 03:44:34,480
GG.

2745
03:44:35,100 --> 03:44:36,380
That area has been removed.

2746
03:44:38,040 --> 03:44:45,580
This area in general had received notices not only for the public input phases, but

2747
03:44:45,580 --> 03:44:59,380
in June. It also received notices for this meeting. As I had mentioned, the concerns that we had heard from this area related heavily to the shared housing concerns in the shared housing use and that was one of the driving factors.

2748
03:45:00,110 --> 03:45:15,110
For modifying the shared housing use to remove it and create the who. Since doing that, the amount of opposition that we've heard from this area is very limited, and I think we had one individual this evening.

2749
03:45:15,110 --> 03:45:20,370
had concerns of this area, but I do want to make mention to that and that throughout this process,

2750
03:45:21,050 --> 03:45:28,170
we've sent out 2700 notices of all of these properties being considered for rezoning,

2751
03:45:28,650 --> 03:45:31,290
and then also properties within 200 feet.

2752
03:45:33,370 --> 03:45:34,810
I may ask you a question.

2753
03:45:35,550 --> 03:45:46,430
If any of these are, if this amendment were to pass, all of these, well, the proponents

2754
03:45:46,430 --> 03:45:52,350
says, they wouldn't be taken out of consideration, you would have to redo the entire

2755
03:45:52,350 --> 03:45:55,370
noticing and so forth, correct?

2756
03:45:56,290 --> 03:45:56,730
Correct.

2757
03:45:56,870 --> 03:46:01,750
So if we brought these back under a different case and modified them, we would have to go back

2758
03:46:02,430 --> 03:46:05,410
through the, even if you didn't modify them.

2759
03:46:05,410 --> 03:46:15,250
So we'd have to go back through unless these specific areas were tabled, but I guess the guidance would have to come from Council.

2760
03:46:15,310 --> 03:46:24,030
What you're looking for us to do with this, are you looking for us to re-engage all of the residents again and hold neighborhood meetings within this area?

2761
03:46:24,470 --> 03:46:34,090
Or are you just waiting till phase two and then we go through the official noticing process again to allow individuals come to speak to peasants in Council?

2762
03:46:34,090 --> 03:46:44,110
The least taxing effort on staff because I think tonight is probably sufficient that word will spread throughout this area, and you'll get plenty of feedback.

2763
03:46:45,730 --> 03:46:50,830
And if we did do the formal process, if you need any help stuff in envelopes, let me know.

2764
03:46:53,380 --> 03:46:55,780
I'm going to speak to my initial motion.

2765
03:46:56,120 --> 03:47:03,220
Just I guess, or indifferent to the amended motion, with respect to everyone, I hate the idea of pulling this map out truly,

2766
03:47:03,220 --> 03:47:06,700
because I think this is the best example of what Mill Housing can do.

2767
03:47:06,920 --> 03:47:12,240
I think what Council Member Malone pointed out was that there was after the position 25 years ago

2768
03:47:12,240 --> 03:47:17,820
because we were putting nothing but rental properties here and so 25 years later what we're faced with

2769
03:47:17,820 --> 03:47:22,620
and what's been mentioned is that we are running out of land and that we are going to have to put

2770
03:47:22,620 --> 03:47:29,720
density somewhere and we are acknowledging areas where density would work and we are I feel like

2771
03:47:29,720 --> 03:47:34,600
in slightly pessimistic to say that it's going to go straight to student living?

2772
03:47:35,300 --> 03:47:37,080
How much of this is already student living?

2773
03:47:38,200 --> 03:47:46,120
I think that we are not really looking at everything and considering what we're actually

2774
03:47:46,120 --> 03:47:50,200
trying to say which is we are saying in the next 25 years there's going to be more density

2775
03:47:50,200 --> 03:47:50,480
here.

2776
03:47:50,740 --> 03:47:54,780
Just like 25 years ago we said we need to build smaller lots with rental properties.

2777
03:47:54,780 --> 03:48:10,480
And so it's like, I think that we sure we can pass this motion amended and remove this map and I have a feeling that we are going to reach the exact same conclusion because we've spent a year looking at this.

2778
03:48:12,050 --> 03:48:19,650
I would say out of respect for our residents, who say they did not receive the notification

2779
03:48:19,650 --> 03:48:22,070
that we send them out again.

2780
03:48:22,790 --> 03:48:27,230
This is not the first time where we had residents say they did not receive a notification

2781
03:48:27,230 --> 03:48:29,190
on whatever project it is.

2782
03:48:29,430 --> 03:48:34,450
I think out of respect for them, we should, and I'm going to go back to saying we need to vote

2783
03:48:34,450 --> 03:48:37,570
on these three individually, not as a group.

2784
03:48:39,390 --> 03:48:57,170
We will be voting on item 9.4 separately from 9.5 separately from 9.6 separately from 9.7, despite the motion that was made, which I accepted, but frankly you couldn't make that motion.

2785
03:48:58,130 --> 03:49:15,930
So, do you want to, Mr. Parliamentary Minister Attorney, we should probably pull that motion in the seconds and the amendment in the seconds we got to deal with one by one and I allowed the motion to do each item individually.

2786
03:49:16,950 --> 03:49:20,450
And I think that was almost a requirement, wouldn't it? Yeah.

2787
03:49:21,250 --> 03:49:26,490
Can you show me where the GG had been with that?

2788
03:49:26,670 --> 03:49:28,610
Before we do that, let me just get this settled.

2789
03:49:29,010 --> 03:49:30,210
Let me get this settled.

2790
03:49:30,670 --> 03:49:35,510
I just want to go through the process of removing that motion from the floor if you withdraw

2791
03:49:35,510 --> 03:49:40,590
and you're second to whoever was withdraws the base motion.

2792
03:49:41,650 --> 03:49:45,730
Does the amendment go away as well, right?

2793
03:49:46,510 --> 03:49:47,990
Mr. Turning is that fair enough?

2794
03:49:47,990 --> 03:49:51,810
Yeah. Okay. I'll withdraw my initial motion.

2795
03:49:52,130 --> 03:49:55,750
And you will withdraw your seconds, which makes the amendment moot.

2796
03:49:56,430 --> 03:49:59,710
Okay. Do you want to make the motion that you were intending to make?

2797
03:49:59,830 --> 03:50:03,030
Sir, I'll make a motion to approve 9-4.

2798
03:50:03,970 --> 03:50:04,650
You're all second.

2799
03:50:05,170 --> 03:50:11,470
And we now have a second on 9-4, which are those properties map one.

2800
03:50:12,370 --> 03:50:15,930
So I'll just clarify the properties in 9-4,

2801
03:50:15,930 --> 03:50:23,330
include B1, B2, D, F, G, and H,

2802
03:50:25,930 --> 03:50:28,630
J, which is highlighted in pink here, which is a raw

2803
03:50:28,630 --> 03:50:31,890
or quart, which is currently zone middle housing, but just adding the hoop.

2804
03:50:31,910 --> 03:50:33,210
I just went to that too.

2805
03:50:33,250 --> 03:50:42,890
And area Y. Those are all of the properties that are in agenda item 9.9.4, because they already

2806
03:50:42,890 --> 03:50:45,050
have properties that are zone to middle housing.

2807
03:50:46,740 --> 03:50:53,740
So none of those properties that Council Member Nancy had called out are within item 9.4.

2808
03:50:54,680 --> 03:50:55,700
I move to approve.

2809
03:50:56,080 --> 03:50:56,900
I'll second.

2810
03:50:57,040 --> 03:50:59,720
We think we had a motion in the second already.

2811
03:51:00,160 --> 03:51:01,080
I'm sorry William.

2812
03:51:01,620 --> 03:51:02,020
Very much.

2813
03:51:02,260 --> 03:51:03,100
I approve already.

2814
03:51:03,960 --> 03:51:04,000
Okay.

2815
03:51:04,200 --> 03:51:05,880
I'm ready to vote on that one.

2816
03:51:07,140 --> 03:51:07,720
Okay.

2817
03:51:07,860 --> 03:51:14,880
All those item 9.4, which repeat the go go through the maps again.

2818
03:51:14,880 --> 03:51:23,680
just so that I will see them. B1, B2, D, F, G, H,

2819
03:51:26,120 --> 03:51:26,500
J,

2820
03:51:28,670 --> 03:51:29,550
and Y.

2821
03:51:30,590 --> 03:51:32,590
And these are properties that already have.

2822
03:51:32,690 --> 03:51:35,150
These are areas that have properties that we have already

2823
03:51:35,150 --> 03:51:37,070
probably initiated to middle housing.

2824
03:51:37,470 --> 03:51:42,350
And this is to, this is to reason them to middle housing

2825
03:51:42,350 --> 03:51:44,570
with a high occupancy, right?

2826
03:51:45,690 --> 03:51:49,070
Okay, we have a motion of floor in a second if there's no further discussion.

2827
03:51:49,790 --> 03:51:52,910
I will call the question, those in favor say aye and raise your hand.

2828
03:51:53,010 --> 03:51:53,530
Aye.

2829
03:51:54,510 --> 03:51:55,030
Post.

2830
03:51:56,900 --> 03:51:59,640
Want to post motion carries six to one.

2831
03:52:03,180 --> 03:52:07,300
Item nine point five, now.

2832
03:52:09,860 --> 03:52:11,300
Keep turning pages here.

2833
03:52:13,160 --> 03:52:15,460
Nine point five is the motion regarding.

2834
03:52:15,460 --> 03:52:23,220
That is the item regarding, let me just read it again, presentation, discussion, post-black

2835
03:52:23,220 --> 03:52:29,560
regarding an ordinance, amending the UDO section 6.3 types of use in the code of ordinances

2836
03:52:29,560 --> 03:52:35,400
of the City College, Texas for modifications to the shared housing use in the MH housing

2837
03:52:35,400 --> 03:52:36,260
zoning district.

2838
03:52:36,640 --> 03:52:41,560
Remind us of this in the ordinance amendment that remove shared housing from the base middle

2839
03:52:41,560 --> 03:52:42,680
housing zoning district.

2840
03:52:42,680 --> 03:52:47,800
It's shared housing would only be allowed if you had a who in a middle housing so many districts.

2841
03:52:48,620 --> 03:52:48,920
Go ahead.

2842
03:52:48,920 --> 03:52:50,080
Here a motion on this one.

2843
03:52:50,660 --> 03:52:53,580
Mr. Smith and a second by Mr. Wright.

2844
03:52:54,280 --> 03:52:55,760
And he was speaking a motion?

2845
03:52:56,060 --> 03:52:56,080
No.

2846
03:52:57,320 --> 03:52:57,720
Anything else?

2847
03:52:58,200 --> 03:52:58,220
Okay.

2848
03:52:58,560 --> 03:53:00,420
All those in favor of 9.5.

2849
03:53:01,400 --> 03:53:02,840
Please say yes and raise your hand.

2850
03:53:05,440 --> 03:53:06,960
Motion and opposed.

2851
03:53:07,880 --> 03:53:09,840
Motion carries 6.1.

2852
03:53:12,800 --> 03:53:20,940
Now we move to item 9.6, which shows the maps again.

2853
03:53:21,580 --> 03:53:23,880
This is one of the cells that carry the...

2854
03:53:23,880 --> 03:53:28,020
Yeah, so these would be all the properties you'd be resounding to middle housing with the who.

2855
03:53:28,720 --> 03:53:33,360
These would include area E on this map, area I,

2856
03:53:35,840 --> 03:53:40,000
area N, PQRST,

2857
03:53:47,390 --> 03:53:47,930
W,

2858
03:53:50,120 --> 03:53:51,000
everyone in purple,

2859
03:53:51,000 --> 03:53:52,320
area of Z,

2860
03:53:54,850 --> 03:53:59,090
nothing on this map, and then all of the properties on map 5, which are the area

2861
03:53:59,090 --> 03:54:07,810
by the barracks. The only one that was called into question earlier was Area I, which is located

2862
03:54:07,810 --> 03:54:16,290
on map 1 along University of Oaks Boulevard right here. And that property is in between multi-family

2863
03:54:16,290 --> 03:54:19,150
zoning and G.S. Journal of Suburban Zoning.

2864
03:54:21,570 --> 03:54:22,670
Do I hear a motion?

2865
03:54:23,090 --> 03:54:23,850
I'll make a motion.

2866
03:54:24,290 --> 03:54:24,570
To approve.

2867
03:54:25,330 --> 03:54:25,890
A second.

2868
03:54:26,570 --> 03:54:27,630
Motion to approve.

2869
03:54:27,790 --> 03:54:28,290
And a second.

2870
03:54:29,210 --> 03:54:30,030
Do I hear a amendment?

2871
03:54:30,450 --> 03:54:33,390
Move to amend the motion to exclude area I.

2872
03:54:34,050 --> 03:54:36,330
Post-ponent for further analysis in the next

2873
03:54:36,330 --> 03:54:38,090
tranche of land use changes.

2874
03:54:39,010 --> 03:54:39,630
A second?

2875
03:54:43,610 --> 03:54:45,010
I do not hear a second.

2876
03:54:45,370 --> 03:54:47,690
Amendment fails for a lack of a second.

2877
03:54:47,690 --> 03:55:08,300
So we'll call the question, unless you wish to speak to your motions down there, okay, the question is as proposed item 9.6, including all of those items, all of those in favor say I raise your hand.

2878
03:55:08,300 --> 03:55:08,840
Hi.

2879
03:55:10,040 --> 03:55:10,080
Hi.

2880
03:55:10,080 --> 03:55:10,540
Opposed?

2881
03:55:11,620 --> 03:55:11,980
Okay.

2882
03:55:12,600 --> 03:55:14,520
Motion carries 5 to 2.

2883
03:55:18,740 --> 03:55:23,420
We'll go to the right of 9.7 except for E.

2884
03:55:25,280 --> 03:55:38,760
That would include any of the areas in yellow, so L, N, U, V, X is item 9.7 E, so that is

2885
03:55:38,760 --> 03:55:45,380
for consideration right now. Area BB. And then all of that for.

2886
03:55:48,270 --> 03:55:49,470
I will make my motion

2887
03:55:49,470 --> 03:55:58,370
again to accept 97 excluding E. I have a motion to have a second. A second. A second.

2888
03:55:58,510 --> 03:56:03,250
And a second. I guess you don't wish to speak to this. I'll just say one last. Go ahead.

2889
03:56:03,370 --> 03:56:08,030
If you don't mind I'll say one last thing because I do understand that the fear is there but also if we

2890
03:56:08,030 --> 03:56:13,790
look at these homes now, until we passed middle housing and share housing, these all could

2891
03:56:13,790 --> 03:56:19,070
have been anxious a year and a half ago, and that the fact that they aren't shows that

2892
03:56:19,070 --> 03:56:24,810
that's maybe not the appropriate area for something like that, but in the future we open

2893
03:56:24,810 --> 03:56:31,690
it up for things that could be there. So I'm not, that's how I feel very strongly that I think

2894
03:56:31,690 --> 03:56:36,810
this is the right course of action for the future of this neighborhood. I think my parents first

2895
03:56:36,810 --> 03:56:42,110
doplex when we moved here was on Santa Abbas, so I understand that and I think that the city is growing

2896
03:56:42,110 --> 03:56:44,770
and changing, and I think that the land use to change with it.

2897
03:56:46,670 --> 03:56:53,350
I'm Mr. Yeah. Yeah, I see. Mayor, I hear my colleague and largely agree with my colleague. I just

2898
03:56:53,350 --> 03:56:59,010
think given the extremely sweeping nature of the land use changes being made tonight that it

2899
03:56:59,010 --> 03:57:05,290
would not hurt to tap the brakes a little bit, and I say that being fully aware of the fact that

2900
03:57:05,290 --> 03:57:10,210
every time we constrain an area from middle housing or the who, we're creating pressure in

2901
03:57:10,210 --> 03:57:14,270
other areas where this might spill out into other neighborhoods, but we've largely arrested

2902
03:57:14,850 --> 03:57:23,130
the process of restricting AgSHAAT construction. 100% we've arrested that process, so we're

2903
03:57:23,130 --> 03:57:26,710
going to have another tronch anyway. What does it hurt to push this when to that one and

2904
03:57:26,710 --> 03:57:31,390
subject to that, I would move to amend the motion to strike map for in its entirety.

2905
03:57:33,390 --> 03:57:34,110
I'll second.

2906
03:57:34,770 --> 03:57:36,070
Mr. Smith's second.

2907
03:57:36,730 --> 03:57:37,310
Mr. Smith's second.

2908
03:57:37,310 --> 03:57:37,590
Mr. Morton.

2909
03:57:37,830 --> 03:57:39,430
Do you wish to speak further to your motion?

2910
03:57:40,510 --> 03:57:42,070
I agree with William.

2911
03:57:42,370 --> 03:57:47,450
When I did this 25 years ago, it were up in arms about ruining the neighborhood and whatnot.

2912
03:57:47,830 --> 03:57:52,810
The fact that the matter is, is that nothing is really going to change over the fourth.

2913
03:57:52,810 --> 03:58:00,330
There are many, many, many years actually, but it's an area where it was developed

2914
03:58:01,130 --> 03:58:06,110
basically, exclusively for rental property and it's been used that way, and it will always

2915
03:58:06,110 --> 03:58:07,690
be used that way.

2916
03:58:08,590 --> 03:58:14,710
So I just don't think it's this smart development, but you know, a smart proactive part

2917
03:58:14,710 --> 03:58:22,870
the city to provide more space for middle housing which we're in desperate need of.

2918
03:58:24,650 --> 03:58:31,790
Mr. Strauss gave you had any residents in this area expressed concern about not receiving

2919
03:58:31,790 --> 03:58:37,250
notice. Not in these areas now. Thank you so much. And tonight have we heard from anyone that

2920
03:58:37,250 --> 03:58:39,110
lives currently in this area?

2921
03:58:41,200 --> 03:58:44,720
We have not. One speaker who mentioned this area but I don't think

2922
03:58:44,720 --> 03:58:51,440
live there. So I spend a lot of time here because I have a relative that lives there and

2923
03:58:51,440 --> 03:58:55,700
some friends that live there. The people that I know that live there got multiple notices

2924
03:58:55,700 --> 03:59:02,120
and they got door tags from CSAM that told them that Agshax might go up there even though that

2925
03:59:02,120 --> 03:59:14,700
is not correct and so they've had multiple, multiple exposures to this information and so I'm

2926
03:59:14,700 --> 03:59:20,700
given and the residents are very aware and there has been no opposition from anyone that lives

2927
03:59:20,700 --> 03:59:27,140
in this area to say anything other than let's move forward.

2928
03:59:30,610 --> 03:59:32,330
Thank you on any other comments.

2929
03:59:33,870 --> 03:59:44,310
Okay, we have an amendment to the base motion to eliminate, to not consider at this time

2930
03:59:44,310 --> 03:59:51,150
I'm just trying to, what you said, not consider this a time, at this time, but bring it back

2931
03:59:51,150 --> 03:59:56,110
at a later time when you bring the next group forward is what I understand the amendment

2932
03:59:56,110 --> 03:59:56,930
to be.

2933
03:59:56,950 --> 03:59:59,910
It's going to be the only refers to the places on map.

2934
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:13,940
Or here, DDE and FF. So we have an amendment. Those that support the amendment raise your hand and say aye, aye, aye, that's

2935
04:00:17,040 --> 04:00:31,960
that's right. That's what being voted on. So we had. That's what Mr. Hansi's motion would do would be to postpone it. So I have three votes, three votes for the emotion.

2936
04:00:31,960 --> 04:00:36,260
all those opposed the amendment, raise your hand say aye.

2937
04:00:36,820 --> 04:00:42,960
I. Okay, motion fail. The amendment fails three to four. We'll now go back to the base

2938
04:00:42,960 --> 04:00:54,060
motion, which is to go back to all of item 9.7 except for E. And I would ask you Michael just

2939
04:00:54,060 --> 04:01:00,460
to one more time on through that fourth. So it will be all of the areas in yellow. So nothing

2940
04:01:00,460 --> 04:01:04,260
M-A-1, area L, N, E.