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[0:06] Good evening, everyone. It is welcome back to, and we're welcome ourselves back. Welcome you to the October 26, 2023 meeting of the
[0:37] a session, we are now returning to our regular session.
[0:44] And that brings us to the pledge and the invocation and the invocation given by Reverend
[0:55] Ben Haley from the College Station Police Department as a chaplain.
[0:59] So if you'll stand and join me for the pledge of allegiance and the invocation.
[1:32] Please pray with me
[1:37] Father we give you thanks for your care and love for us and I thank you for all of our city officials and
[1:45] And citizens gather here tonight, what I pray tonight that as the mayor and the city council
[1:52] deliberate and playing in for college station, that you would give them great wisdom as they
[1:58] look to contribute to the flourishing of our city and its citizens.
[2:04] Thank you for all of our government employees, law enforcement, firing, emergency responders,
[2:09] teachers, parks and rack and all support services.
[2:13] Would you bless the work of their hands that they might be a blessing to our city?
[2:19] And it's in your name we pray.
[2:27] Thank you, Reverend Haley.
[2:33] We have many visitors here and many people signed up to speak, so you will please bear with
[2:41] us and try to follow our protocol as best you can.
[2:46] Well, I will try to maintain the order that's given to me.
[2:51] You'll have a timer that is in front of you at the podium.
[3:00] Our IT folks will turn off the microphone at the end of three minutes,
[3:04] so you will not be able to speak beyond the three-minute limit.
[3:09] There are several groups that have combined their time,
[3:12] which is part of our protocol.
[3:14] that allows you to, for five people getting together can speak, one person can speak for ten minutes, so we're going to have some of that tonight as well.
[3:25] And I ask you to be thoughtful and please stay on the topic and focus in if the person's in front of you have already pretty much made the point you want to make, you can simply endorse those and save, save time for the next speakers.
[3:45] So, we start with, before we get to that, we've got a couple of proclamations,
[3:53] I'm going
[3:53] to come down front and the first proclamation, I would like to welcome Ryland Lewis and
[4:01] her family for the reading of the first proclamation, which is recognizing October 23 as
[4:09] Artelio Venus, Male Formation Awareness Month.
[4:18] This is in family.
[4:35] Welcome.
[4:52] This is a Proclamation of behalf of the City of Calistation,
[4:56] whereas an arterial, helping arterio Venus,
[5:01] arterio Venus, Male Formation, or AVM,
[5:04] is a complex, tangle of arteries and veins
[5:07] that bypasses normal brain tissue
[5:09] and directly diverts blood from the arteries
[5:12] to the veins, potentially resulting in devastating
[5:15] ruptures, seizures, or death, and whereas, and estimated 18 out of each 100,000 people
[5:22] in the United States have an AVM in the brain, and whereas, after an AVM rupture, there
[5:29] is a 10 to 15 percent risk of death, and a 20 to 30 percent chance of permanent brain damage
[5:35] after each bleed, and whereas, approximately 10 to 58 percent of AVM patients have various
[5:42] kinds of aneurysms, a weaker and a blood vessel that enlarges like a balloon, and is at risk
[5:50] for bleeding or rupture resulting in possible brain damage or long-term disability, and
[5:56] whereas 50% of AVM patients present as sudden hemorrhage bleeding in the brain or a form
[6:05] of stroke and whereas access to accurate information expertise and community to support survivors,
[6:13] caregivers, families and friends, and making educated decisions about treatment and coping,
[6:19] can make a critical difference in minimizing risks in increasing the quality of life for
[6:23] those affected.
[6:25] Now, therefore, I, John P. Nichols, by virtue of the capacity to meet Mayor of the City
[6:30] Calitation Texas, due hereby proclaim October 23, 23, as AVM awareness month, we encourage
[6:38] citizens to raise awareness of aneurysms and AVM's and support efforts to increase public
[6:44] awareness.
[6:45] So individuals can recognize symptoms and understand available resources and options for
[6:51] those with these brain conditions in testimony where I'll have here and to set my hand
[6:57] cause to be a fix the seal of the City of College Station Texas this 26th day of October
[7:02] 2023 John P. Nichols Mayor. And I would also say we have, we have with this from the state
[7:11] of Texas the governor also his acknowledgement of October 2023 as AVM awareness month. So we
[7:20] will present this to you and we're going to get a photograph here as soon as we have our photographer.
[7:27] and I'm going to let you hold some of this and keep there we go. There we go.
[7:36] We've got to be on to the seal.
[7:53] Thank you.
[8:02] Judge Palaine and Judge Palaine and staff from the municipal court.
[8:08] We're going to recognize municipal court week. Excellent staff.
[8:14] Wow, look at all these folks, they do a great job at municipal court and we really appreciate the opportunity to recognize
[8:24] one of them spread out on both sides folks and then when the photo op comes, they're going to have to squeeze in.
[8:39] Proclamation, whereas municipal court of college station, a time honored and vital part of local government,
[8:46] has existed since January 8, 1952, and whereas more people, citizens and non-citizens alike,
[8:54] coming personal contact with municipal court than all other Texas courts combined, and
[9:01] whereas public impression of the entire Texas judicial system is largely dependent upon the public's
[9:07] experience in municipal court, and whereas municipal judges and court support personnel have pledged
[9:14] to be ever mindful of their neutrality and impartiality,
[9:19] rendering equal service to all and conformed
[9:22] to the standard set by the cannons of judicial conduct,
[9:26] and whereas the municipal court plays a significant role
[9:29] in preserving the quality of life and taxes communities
[9:33] through the adjudication of traffic offenses
[9:35] ensuring a high level of traffic safety for our citizens
[9:39] and whereas the municipal court serve as a local justice center
[9:43] for the enforcement of local ordinances and fine-only state offenses that protect the
[9:49] peace and dignity of our community and our state.
[9:53] And whereas the Missile judges and clerks continually strive to improve the administration
[9:59] of justice through participation and judicial education programs, seminars, workshops, and
[10:04] the annual meetings of their state and local professional organizations and whereas it is most
[10:11] appropriate that we recognize the accomplishments of the 878 Texas Municipal Courts and salute
[10:19] their critical role in preserving public safety protecting quality of life in Texas communities
[10:24] and deterring future criminal behavior. Now, therefore, I, John P. Nichols, by virtue of this already
[10:31] vested in me is Mayor of the City of College Station, Texas. Do hereby proclaim November 6th through
[10:37] We have the 2020-3 as Municipal Court week and further extend our appreciation to
[10:43] Calitation Municipal Judge Spalaine and Court Support Personnel for the vital services
[10:50] they perform and the exemplary dedication to our community and call upon all residents
[10:56] of Calitation to join with the City Council in recognizing this vital service they perform
[11:02] and their exemplary dedication to the communities they represent in testimony where
[11:08] I have here on to set my hand and cause to be affixed.
[11:11] The seal is City of Calitation, Texas.
[11:13] This 26th day of October, 23, 2020, 3 John P. Nichols, Mayor, Judge, congratulations.
[11:28] May we make two rows
[11:35] a few from the side.
[11:36] maybe, if you guys want to step forward to,
[11:42] we're going to move it.
[11:44] Yep,
[11:51] couple more, maybe.
[11:56] Yep.
[11:58] All right, he's three, two, one.
[12:52] I think I've given most of my speaker protocol,
[12:55] speech, a minute or two ago.
[12:57] So I won't go through that again.
[12:59] I will move on to the next part of our agenda,
[13:05] which is item six here visitors. As I said we've got two groups and one individual, a couple
[13:13] of individuals for here visitors keep in mind this is opportunity for citizens to speak
[13:21] to the council on any item that's not on the agenda and it allows you an opportunity to share
[13:28] ideas with this but we cannot respond since it's not posted and will simply listen and take
[13:35] comments under advisement. So I will take these in the order as they were given to me.
[13:41] Starting with Sheneika Foley, Sheneika here, please come forward and identify herself.
[13:55] The poll of microphone down right in front of you, so we can there you go. Thank you.
[14:02] Hello, Council. My name is Sheneika Foley. I am a Brian Colestation Habitat for Humanity,
[14:09] home buyer, future homeowner. I have been waiting two years to buy a home in
[14:16] colonization. Habitat has no developed lots in colonization currently, but I am
[14:23] forgoing options in Brian, because I want to live in colonization like I have
[14:28] been for 14 years. I have worked for colonization ISD for 11 years. I am the
[14:36] attendance card get an elementary school. I also have two children that attend school in
[14:43] college, as well. I wanted to introduce myself to the council so you can put a face on the
[14:51] project that you have heard about before. The riot place. Have it's had for humanity project
[14:58] in a partnership with the C
[15:01] Brian Colisation, Habitat, purchase land near Colisation High School, and is working to develop it. I am beyond excited about the location, because it will mean my daughter could walk across the street to the high school that she will be attending next year, but I need to start building so she can have this opportunity.
[15:25] The city's continuous support of this project moves a lot to me with hopes to invite you all to my wall raising of my new home in the near future.
[15:37] And closing, I want you all to remember, when you walk into your children's school, I and my workplace.
[15:46] When you drop your children, grandchildren, nieces and nephews off its school, I and my workplace.
[15:53] When you think of a mother wanting better for her children, I and Wyatt Place.
[16:01] When you have a house that you can call your home, I and Wyatt Place.
[16:07] When you meet a neighbor, you can call your friend, I and Wyatt Place.
[16:13] I want you to remember this face because I and Wyatt Place.
[16:19] Thank you.
[16:20] Thank you very much.
[16:26] Next is a group like Kimberly Top forward to speak and behalf and I'm going to ask the rest of the group to stand.
[16:35] Jeffrey Heiken, Megan Fitzgerald, Travis Ward, Mike record, scene of the VZ and Jared Mike.
[16:44] Those are all your friends there.
[16:46] Oh, we have even more.
[16:47] That's the ones you had listed.
[16:49] That's right.
[16:50] The floor is yours for three minutes.
[16:52] All right, I'm sure I've got this button. Here we go, woo, we're awake. That was a good one though. Okay, you don't have to dig very deep to know where they're getting kids outside and active is good for them and good for our community.
[17:07] NPR posted this story on the 18th just for us. I'm pretty sure by writing in middle school may boost mental health study finds.
[17:16] I can tell you it does boost mental health, we've seen tremendous shifts in entire families.
[17:24] We are here on behalf of the College Station, middle school and high school mountain
[17:29] by team and on behalf of our entire cycling community who is craving a more interconnected
[17:36] city with safer spaces to ride. So what kind of mountain biking? What is a mountain by team?
[17:45] Our students race on cross-country trails that aren't too different from hiking trails.
[17:50] Our middle schoolers race about five miles, our high schoolers race about 10 to 20 miles.
[17:55] Our race weekend is our big deal.
[17:57] On Saturdays, our families and coaches come out and we pre-ride the courses together.
[18:02] Then we have campfires and we wake up on Sunday and race our bikes.
[18:09] You have to experience it to know.
[18:11] Our team has been active since 2011.
[18:16] This is my 13th year as a coach, same with my record back there, same with John Flynn,
[18:23] who's coming in town, probably known,
[18:28] but we've always struggled to grow in our community.
[18:32] Other cities and towns in Texas, they've grown their teams to 80 or 90 students.
[18:37] And I think I know why.
[18:40] All weekday practices were limited to where we can practice.
[18:45] There's not enough space to gain adequate fitness.
[18:47] Lit Creek path is beautiful.
[18:49] It's used by many walkers and runners, though, and dogs off leash.
[18:53] So we earned our students to be generous, right, slower,
[18:57] be respectful of the shared trails.
[19:03] What else? We've tried Gabbard Park, and it's been great.
[19:08] Until the cops came and kicked us off on practice.
[19:11] That was, that was less great.
[19:14] Our other struggle is daylight.
[19:17] So historically we've held practice at 430 to get some sunshine.
[19:21] This is our challenge for volunteer coaches and students who need to have transportation to get there.
[19:28] We're here today for a fairly straight forward request.
[19:32] We're looking for improved city and school parks with space that can have a dirt path or track for a team
[19:39] and our community to utilize.
[19:45] So, we've done a little searching,
[19:47] and we're throwing some crazy ideas out there
[19:50] and hopes to have more conversations in the future.
[19:54] One, how about what's been Creek?
[19:56] Would it be possible to add dirt trails
[19:58] that could run some up parallel to the paved path?
[20:01] We've seen examples of this in places like McKinney, Texas.
[20:04] They do it.
[20:05] Lake Travis has trails that do this.
[20:07] Bent in the Arkansas has become the mountain bike Mecca
[20:10] they're doing this all over. We've checked it out and it's even lit well enough at night
[20:15] that we can keep an eye on our students for practice. Another option?
[20:21] Heropperia elementary school. Can we build a bike park then? Maybe instead of a parking lot?
[20:27] It would entice students to want to ride their bikes to school. Go ride around on the park for a
[20:32] little bit before starting. That would reduce the traffic. Where parents are dropping their students off.
[20:38] We don't need that parking lot if we do that we're how about that Southeast community park
[20:48] No good for building a ballpark, but we sure could build some bike trails and don't get angry at them to the next slide hang on hang with me
[20:58] Whoa
[21:00] I drew some scribbles, but imagine this imagine a space
[21:05] where we can connect Greek green belt, the Upland Force, making an even more desirable trail
[21:11] system that can be safely accessed by bicycle from anywhere in South College Station.
[21:17] That's right. Our students and coaches could finally ride their bikes to bike practice.
[21:24] How awesome would that be? Trail runners would rejoice, every living in South College station
[21:29] showing up to milk and reserve for time trials, 80 to 100 people. They could now run to their time trials
[21:36] and go run on the trails off of our roads, off of our sidewalks. This is bigger than just our
[21:45] bike team. Benville Arkansas, as I mentioned before, has become a Mecca for mountain biking
[21:51] And the results are huge. In 2022, they shared a $159 million economic impact.
[22:00] They created over 700 jobs from their cycling businesses in town.
[22:07] They've poured money into building trails.
[22:10] I think the most interesting fact that they discovered, though, when University of Arkansas did this research,
[22:16] 59 million dollars in avoided health care costs. They took the study estimated that people
[22:24] cycling five or more days a week have the highest likelihood of avoiding chronic diseases.
[22:30] This increased infrastructure led to increased cycling leading to these cost benefits.
[22:38] So, all your next question, okay, okay. Kim, you're crazy. Who's going to pay for this?
[22:42] There are trail-building grants coming out of the woodwork between the Inba Trail Accelerator Grants
[22:51] to Outride, which is a company that does research on the benefits of cycling.
[22:58] Even the CDC has grant proposals right now. How can we reduce obesity and communities?
[23:03] We will give you money to do this. Okay, we'll take it. Let's build with it.
[23:09] Even our mountain bike team, a component of it,
[23:11] is what we call Teen Trail Corps,
[23:13] where we're developing our students as leaders
[23:15] and teaching them to give back.
[23:18] They're writing on these trails that are built.
[23:20] They're expected to put in time
[23:21] to help take care of these trails.
[23:23] They're expected to show up here and work with City Council
[23:28] to be asking for a better infrastructure,
[23:32] a better space for themselves.
[23:36] We are here with a lot of supporters.
[23:39] And I haven't even talked to that trail running community yet.
[23:44] So I will keep this short and say that we are looking forward to many more conversations
[23:50] with you and please keep us in mind as we're looking at our parks in our infrastructure
[23:54] throughout the city because we're here for it and we want more people outside.
[24:00] Thank you.
[24:01] Thank you, Ms. Top.
[24:02] We
[24:09] have another group, the speaker will be Neo-Jang, and with him are Charles Coates, Michelle
[24:18] Pinkrock, Ben Mike, Tomohir and Tyler Barnes, I guess, are that group there.
[24:26] You have all your group here, thank you, thank you, okay, Mr. Jang, come forward, please.
[24:37] Mr. Mayor and members of the council I would like to fully endorse the statements that
[24:44] were just made by Kim and all its entirety and for that I would like to give you back
[24:50] your nine minutes. Thank you very much. Thank you.
[24:58] I noted in your written comments that you're
[25:01] supporting that presentation. Thank you. We appreciate all of that. I have one more speaker
[25:07] I'm this Mary Lynney.
[25:23] I'm Mary Lynney.
[25:24] I live at 729 Shady Lane and Brian.
[25:27] And I bet you'll never guess what I'm here to talk about.
[25:31] The Northeast trunk line.
[25:33] I'm here asking again when will the promised reports be available such as the Tree Survey
[25:38] in the Geotechnical Report?
[25:40] We would like to see those.
[25:42] We've heard since the last council meeting that there are negotiations going on.
[25:47] But the city of Brian and the city of College Station have items of mutual benefit
[25:51] benefit. Hopefully the negotiations will be a win-win for both cities. We're hoping Rosemary
[25:56] is not a pawn in those negotiations. Again, we've talked to many of your constituents
[26:01] and no one agrees with this trunk line going down Rosemary. Postponing this decision will
[26:07] not make the issue where our watchfulness dissipate. We will be alert for as long as it takes and
[26:15] Hopefully that won't be for very long. Thank you.
[26:18] Thank you, Miss Lenin.
[26:24] That's the completion of our here visitor's presentation.
[26:29] We move to the consent agenda and no one is signed up to speak on the consent agenda.
[26:36] So we have item 7.1 through 7.5 this evening.
[26:41] My council friends, anyone wish to hear anything about any of those?
[26:48] Okay, the chair will entertain a motion for approval of 7.1 through 7.5, move to approved
[26:54] Mayor Nichols.
[26:55] The motion.
[26:56] Health second.
[26:57] And a second from Mr. Smith, all of the favors thing if I say aye.
[27:02] Aye.
[27:03] Opposed?
[27:03] Motion carries unanimously.
[27:06] We have approved the consent agenda.
[27:09] We work move forward now to the workshop agenda.
[27:12] And I do have quite a few people that are going to speak on that, but the presentation and
[27:19] Council engagement with the presenters will come first.
[27:23] And then I will ask for those that wish to speak to come forward at that point.
[27:30] So item 8.1 is presentation discussion, possible action on an update on the Texas A&M off-campus student services.
[27:37] Office Ms. Barbara Moore is going to introduce this presentation.
[27:44] And before that, I'm going to introduce Barbara Moore, not that I probably need to to most people, but I want to make a clear distinction.
[27:53] So, Anne M is going to get up and talk about a lot of things they've done.
[27:56] And obviously there's been a lot going on this year in years past and the University and its relationship to the community
[28:02] in the Community Relationship of the University are very important.
[28:06] And after a lot of discussions and strategic thought, I know Council is aware of it, but
[28:10] I want to make the public aware that Barbara Moore is presenting for the first time in her
[28:14] new role as the university and community relations manager, part of her job will definitely
[28:21] be to continue the work she does with neighborhoods and the community but also to work with
[28:27] the newly formed off campus housing office with A&M and continue all the good work
[28:31] she's done. So just want to give everybody the opportunity. If you go to the University or live in the community,
[28:37] Barbara is the person you should call with all of your questions.
[28:42] Well, you have a big job, Barbara, please.
[28:48] Thank you, Mayor and Council of Barbara Moore, University and Community Relations Manager and to
[28:52] get that much out first. And we are going to have Dr. Stephanie Baker, the Director of Student
[28:58] for Texanium to come and speak and discuss the operations of the reestablished off-campus
[29:04] student service office and some of the work that they're doing and the work that they'll be doing
[29:07] time to come.
[29:19] Thank you for being here. We really appreciate having you share with us the ideas you're
[29:24] going to be presenting tonight. Yeah, thank you for having me Mr. Merrick Council.
[29:28] General Mary's is on his way. Got caught up with something on campus but I know he'll
[29:32] pop in and want to speak as well on our behalf but I want to start with
[29:36] thinking all of you for the opportunity to present sort of where we're at with the
[29:40] university's efforts to reinvigorate our off-campus student services for our students
[29:45] and talk a little bit about kind of where we're at and where the institution is at from there.
[29:53] I thought I'd do a brief quick overview of sort of where the institution's sitting at for a fall
[29:59] and talk to you
[30:00] 2020-23. We have an enrollment as of the 12th class day of 78,9D students. That does include our Galveston and
[30:08] Qatar branch campuses as well as our satellite campuses, including McCallin, the law school dental. So that's
[30:15] not all here in the BCS area. We have about 68,988 to be precise. Students living here in the
[30:29] all 25 of our on campus residence halls are 12 core halls and are two apartment complexes.
[30:36] So give us about roughly 56,000 students living in Rintro property in the BCS area.
[30:44] And then just as you all know, growing regularly and seen as the, we were ranked this year as
[30:51] the best priced higher education in the state of Texas for the quality of the degree.
[30:58] Okay, so I think most all of you are familiar with sort of where we're, how we got here in regards to the no more than for code enforcement efforts that the city went into to help mitigate some major congestion problems and housing issues that were happening in a number of our neighborhoods within the area, particularly close to the university property.
[31:21] And so, under the guise of our Vice President for Student Affairs, we were asked to initiate a campaign for education to our students.
[31:30] That started in February of 2023 with branding of the Remember Me Plus 3 campaign.
[31:38] We hosted a webinar for our part of the population of our undergraduate students.
[31:45] It's not just their education, but also their parents and family members.
[31:48] So, we launched our campaign with a webinar for our parents and family members talking about the idea of off-campus living,
[31:57] a lease law contracts, a dinda, and then understanding that their additional city codes and laws that our students need to abide by when living in the community.
[32:07] Hit a huge educational campaign across campus and worked with Barbara and some other staff to make sure that that was consistent across city efforts in the institutional efforts around
[32:18] campus signage, mailers, flyers, book mail, and a press release. And that got us sort of
[32:25] prepped up for what I know of General Maris spoke to you all about in the spring, which was,
[32:30] we know that our students are signing leases August September and October for the next year. So we
[32:36] knew hitting in February we were already behind the curve for this coming academic year as our
[32:41] students were already initiated in signed leases. So we were kind of trying to figure out what to do.
[32:46] So we move through into the summer, worked on hearing from some of the city individuals who spoke
[32:54] to you all, talking about helping our students remember to live our Aggie Corps values of integrity
[33:00] and respect, worked on redesigning that remember me plus three campaign. We also did a lot of effort
[33:07] on our incoming freshmen and transfer classes. There's about just under 16,000 new students in the undergraduate
[33:13] at level either through transfer or new freshmen and not all of them live on campus so we know
[33:18] they go off so we did a significant effort in our online orientation content which is required
[33:24] for all incoming students. We had information on this playing throughout every new student conference
[33:30] which we run 28 throughout the summer. We enhanced our educational information on the website and
[33:36] worked with city staff to make sure we were congruent with information provided by the city and
[33:41] to communicate with all on campus students who would be moving off into the community starting in the fall of 2023
[33:48] about living off campus expectations.
[33:53] So this fall we have lived with integrity is our campaign.
[33:57] It started in September. We've done a number of reachouts to our students in regards to before you sign
[34:05] know. And we have done two webinars for our family members in a several newsletter and email
[34:12] out components asking parents not to work with their students to delay lease signing until
[34:18] we understand where the hit city is headed with their mental housing and all the other structural
[34:24] changes that may change what properties leases could look like in regards to that continue to
[34:30] push out the importance of you have to know that it's no more than for an understanding that
[34:35] those tenant policies that we were discovering, popping up all over the community and being promoted
[34:39] to our students.
[34:41] So a number of pieces we had the opportunity to, two weeks ago, I think we walked with
[34:46] city staff and also some other university staff throughout the South Gate, neighborhood, and
[34:53] the historic district and did door hangers and bags and outreach to both permanent residents
[34:57] and our student transient residents regarding the efforts being made to help fellow some
[35:03] concerns with parking, trash, noise, and they just overflowed humans in dense spaces.
[35:13] Additionally, I think I skipped a slide.
[35:16] Yeah, additionally, the university made a significant investment by choosing to restath up an
[35:23] office that had moved to only online information five years ago. Invested just under $500,000 in
[35:31] staffing to create this office again, the directive was to have it staffed and operational
[35:37] by September 1st.
[35:39] I'm pleased to say that we have four of the five full-time positions staffed and we're
[35:44] staffed by August the 16th, and I want to introduce, I think, there are three of them
[35:49] are here.
[35:50] So Jacqueline Epsha Brown, that's our assistant director for off-campus student services,
[35:55] they're saying stand up.
[35:56] And so she's the gal to go to, and then Nicky McDaniels is our community liaison position, so she's working really closely with Barbara actually in another number of other areas both in college station, and we're not forgetting we have students and Brian, so also with our Brian.
[36:15] partners, and then also with us today's Austin Kibler, and Austin is our neighborhood specialist.
[36:21] In this position, design to go out into both apartment complexes, communities, and then in local
[36:27] neighborhood communities and help create communication, advocacy, connectiveness, and we're also
[36:33] addressing based on some data that Judge Spelling presented at a big neighborhood meeting last spring
[36:39] and then was out in the media this fall in regards to the
[36:43] inviting, either public intoxication or minor in possession of our
[36:47] since we're seeing a significant increase in AoD consumption with our
[36:50] students and so doing some party smart safe skills and
[36:54] think before you drink campaigns that you'll see coming out here
[36:57] the latter part of this semester.
[37:01] And our last step, remember, who isn't with us tonight is
[37:05] She is our off-campus housing specialist and her role will be searching, lease law, contract
[37:11] negotiation.
[37:12] She's been doing a lot of contract review right now and we're going to be offering a lease
[37:16] seminar for our students so that they can help understand what they're signing before
[37:20] they sign in.
[37:21] They take it home to their family members to get guarantor forms and other items signed.
[37:27] Other initiatives that we're kind of having the work that we wanted to make sure you
[37:31] where we're aware of is we work continue to work with Debbie Eller on the Gickham List initiative
[37:37] and what that will look like in regards to rental registration, voluntary inspection
[37:42] and then occupancy overlays that may exist or how zoning will change what those occupancy
[37:48] rate looks like. Staff are training. We've gotten everybody Texas Department Association
[37:54] and we certified for housing certified and all our now Texas 48 out 40 hour state mediation
[38:00] trying to do roommate mediation and landlord tenant dispute mediation.
[38:05] We're engaging in three neighborhoods we've been working with the city to identify that
[38:10] our opportunities for us to talk through good neighbor behavior through parties, trash, parking
[38:15] and noise as well as some education on our campus about if you leave our campus out of
[38:24] direction 18 inches or closer to the curb, some of those other just good human behavior
[38:28] habits. We're doing our smart leasing workshops I talked about and then our August September,
[38:35] not October, has been a number of consultation in regards to either poorly executed
[38:41] leases, failed maintenance needs, or other disputes between landlords and tenants here
[38:48] and the community that are impacting our students' ability to engage in the academic pursuit
[38:53] So we've been working through a lot of individual consultation, and then we continue to just work through hearing.
[39:00] We've met with CSAT CSAN and the historic district representatives, a couple of times now,
[39:08] having engaged in some other community areas that would like to
[39:12] bend our ear and talk to us a little bit about maybe ways we can better partner with our residents,
[39:17] our permanent residents and our students and our city services or our non-profit services here in town.
[39:24] And then that is what I have, and I don't know if the general snuck in or not.
[39:29] The general, the general here.
[39:35] Howdy.
[39:36] Howdy young.
[39:36] There are nickels, members of the City Council.
[39:39] It's my honor to be here with you tonight.
[39:40] There's not much more I can say than what Stephanie just told you.
[39:43] I promised you last spring that we would make a concert effort to educate our students
[39:48] and prepare them for the eventuality that there would no longer be protected.
[39:53] When it came to the no more than four ordinance, and as you can see, Stephanie has made a great effort.
[39:58] She spearheaded the effort for Texas A&M and getting the word out, engaging with the community,
[40:04] working with our partner agencies both on and off campus to ensure that we educate our students on what the rules are,
[40:11] so that we can hopefully get ahead of these early lease signings that we saw last fall that we quite frankly had no way to react to
[40:18] once we heard about this issue in the spring.
[40:21] I will tell you that I'm very, very proud of the team and what they've done and more importantly
[40:25] and proud of the fact that we're striving to be good partners and good neighbors with
[40:30] the city of College Station.
[40:31] I'm a resident of College Station, very proud of that fact, and I will tell you that we've
[40:36] got a Texas A&M University, you're going to hear from some of them tonight, but they truly
[40:41] do want to be good neighbors as well.
[40:43] And I think what Stephanie just briefed you on, just to show the level of commitment, the
[40:47] to this effort, and we want to work closely with the City of
[40:52] College Station.
[40:52] I think Brian was in his team.
[40:54] We've had a lot of meetings with him and his team, and they've
[40:57] really been very, very good meetings where we've been able to talk
[41:00] about the issues and how we can work to a solution that benefits
[41:03] all.
[41:04] So my thanks all of you for the time tonight, and for all you do for
[41:06] our city.
[41:07] Thank you.
[41:09] I think if perhaps we could...
[41:13] Stephanie, you can come back and there may be, I'm sure there's some questions I have a question or two, but I'll start my far end if there's any Mr. Enzi.
[41:24] Thank you, Mayor Nichols. Thank you very much for that presentation. It was very comprehensive.
[41:29] I know the general has, but just for confirmation, it's not lost on this entirely new staff, the enormity of this challenge at the city of College Station faces, is that correct?
[41:39] you all do understand that?
[41:41] Yes, we've done some significant retreats in planning and research and have worked very closely
[41:46] since they started with all the city staff to understand where we're at the work on the
[41:51] work on the rezoning that you all started in the spring and sort of how we're going to partner
[41:57] and help educate moving forward. So very intensive, probably for six weeks on the job training.
[42:04] That's wonderful. I appreciate that 56,000 students in College Station and what kind of growth did that reflect.
[42:14] So our freshman class was just over 2,000 students.
[42:21] What we're seeing though, and where we're feeling the pinch, I think, is that as our freshman, even if we maintain the freshman class, we have graduating a smaller number of students that we're admitting.
[42:32] and so that's pushing into the community while our on-campus housing holds where it's
[42:38] at this time.
[42:38] I know that they are looking to see what that will look like moving forward, but at this
[42:42] time you can only put so many bodies and beds.
[42:46] So that all moves into the community.
[42:47] We did a study through our assessment office in the spring, should 48% of our student population
[42:55] living off campus is an apartment style housing and 36 percent of that population is in houses,
[43:03] condos, and dueplexes, and then we had a 6 percent sort of other which was mobile homes,
[43:11] fifth-wheel trailers, running a room in a house, type housing, and then we had less than 2 percent
[43:16] that were living home with either family members or parents. So from the local community students
[43:23] So it kind of gave us a sense of where we needed to focus our efforts and our guides to onboarding
[43:28] the staff and the initiatives we would need to start to scaffolding up while we brought on the
[43:33] remember me plus three campaign and working on lease education for our family members and our
[43:38] students. I appreciate that. And the only thing I saw in its strategic one missing from your presentation
[43:44] was plan capital projects on campus relative to student housing, the University of Texas system,
[43:52] University of Tennessee, have engaged in very sizable student housing on campus projects.
[44:00] What's my alma mater's plan in general?
[44:02] Yes, sir. One of the things we're looking at right now is we're doing a study out on West
[44:06] campus to look to increase the number of housing we've got out there at White Creek.
[44:11] On that study, just came across my desk last week. It's going to go on to the president.
[44:16] As you well know, interim president walks already mentioned the fact that we've got over 50
[44:21] Capital projects on the books right now with the ability to fund probably less than 15 of those
[44:28] I mean we're gonna have to make some tough decisions about what to fund
[44:30] But one of the items that we're looking at is increased housing on campus and it's potentially going to be out on West campus
[44:37] That's where we have the most ability to grow and adding on the white creek which is already out there white creek has about 1200 beds
[44:44] We'd like to increase that to 3,600 if we could but along with that comes dining comes parking
[44:50] comes bus transportation and all the other things in potentially even another student center
[44:55] who might have to build to accommodate the growth of their in West Campus.
[44:59] So, but it is a study.
[45:00] We're looking at it right now. It's already out and we're looking at it right now.
[45:04] Thank you very much, sir. Thank you, Martin.
[45:05] Thank you.
[45:07] That's great.
[45:09] I just want to thank you so much for bringing back the off-campus housing office. I think the
[45:15] two-fold, the students will appreciate the support and will appreciate the open lines of communication.
[45:21] I know some students that I talked to you just today, in fact, were so quite surprised that the government
[45:28] cares about who they sleep with and how they're related to those people and the government monitors,
[45:33] how many people that they can live with and they were really uncomfortable with that role of
[45:39] government but they can't change it until they know it. So thank you for sharing what our government
[45:45] is vested in and I appreciate the awareness that that will generate and if they want to change,
[45:50] that's what government's about. Thank you so much.
[45:55] Thank you
[46:00] so much. Thank you so much.
[46:03] field from my front door, in general knows where I live, and 95% student neighbors. I can't
[46:10] tell you how much I appreciate the off-campus student housing department that has come back
[46:19] over the last what two years I think last year. Thank you so much. You're still a lot of permanent
[46:25] homeowners in that neighborhood. We get along with our with our neighbors just fine, but they are very
[46:32] and compliance with that for no more than four.
[46:35] So we're very blessed in the part of Southside that we live in.
[46:39] But I just wanted to say thank you as, as actually the only college,
[46:43] the only city council member who lives in that type of environment.
[46:46] I can tell the difference and I just want to say thank you.
[46:50] Thank you.
[46:50] Did you hear?
[46:52] Mr. Smith.
[46:54] I'd like to just kind of explore a couple of points if I could and others had raised that question
[47:01] about growth, is it correct that I've heard senior officials that A&M talk about an additional
[47:10] 2000 freshman each year for the general problem, each year for the next five years,
[47:17] meaning that there'll be 10,000 new students by then.
[47:22] That's a rumor.
[47:24] It is a rumor right now, yes, sir, and the reason I'm saying that is because President
[47:29] Welch is doing a capacity study in the spring and he's looking at the growth. We've seen rapid growth over the last five years as you well know we we feel it on campus
[47:40] We know we feel it off campus. He's doing a capacity study this spring to take a look at in the feasibility of growth
[47:46] How much more can we grow before we start to bust at the seams as the vice president for student affairs?
[47:52] That's a big concern of mine because
[47:54] Because I oversee most of the services we provide our students outside of the classroom.
[48:01] And we're all starting to feel that that growth is affecting our ability to provide the
[48:07] quality of service that we feel we owe these students.
[48:11] So President Washington is doing the capacity study in the spring and with that comes the
[48:15] student experience study.
[48:17] As we grow, how does that affect the student experience of Texas A and in university?
[48:21] You know, when I went to Texas A&M University, we had 20,000 students, but I left here with
[48:28] feeling great about my alma mater and feeling very, very proud of the experience that I
[48:33] had here.
[48:34] My goal, and I think everybody, everybody in the administration's goal, is that our students
[48:38] today, leave with the same feeling, despite the fact that we're over 77,000 students in Texas
[48:44] A&M.
[48:45] So that capacity study will take place in the screen.
[48:47] I can't give you a hard and fast.
[48:49] It's going to be 2,000 per year.
[48:50] I don't think anybody can.
[48:52] I will tell you that we'll go expect a continue to grow in the near term, but in terms of
[48:57] what those numbers are going to look like, I can't tell you.
[49:00] I'm sure classroom capacity, parking capacity, transit capacity, a lot of others besides
[49:07] student services are important.
[49:08] Oh, it is.
[49:09] And certainly what the city is looking for is to be included in that capacity because
[49:15] We are also bursting at the seams, and I'm sure students will tell you, and to tell
[49:21] us, I have told this, that they're impacted by affordable housing, the availability of
[49:29] housing, driving prices up, and I know the Board of Regents had been very diligent in
[49:34] efforts to try to manage the cost for students, bring it down, everything from books to software
[49:40] to you name it on campus housing, and that's sort of thing all of this
[49:45] pressure growth, there's nothing but drive up the cost of the housing.
[49:49] Absolutely.
[49:49] That's off campus.
[49:50] I'm really happy to hear about the potential for White Creek expansion.
[49:56] Everything you mentioned that you will have to think about for providing services to those
[50:02] extra 24,000 students out there.
[50:05] We've got to think about how the market in Calor Station works, which is mostly private
[50:10] sector market, but depending on infrastructure of the city, I'm certainly not informing you of anything
[50:18] you don't already know, but I think I guess I would just share the thought that I'm really
[50:23] pleased about the general's effort to do a capacity study, and I assume that since we have
[50:30] really good working relationships between our city management and the leadership in your department
[50:36] and elsewhere in campus that the city will be considered as part of that question of where
[50:43] is the capacity, not just on campus, but the capacity of your city partnership here and the
[50:49] private sector to grow that fast and do it in a way that's accommodating to the students
[50:56] that are primary people that we're targeting the services too.
[51:00] I want to make it a point to bring that up to President Welch and my guess is he'll welcome that.
[51:05] Yeah, I think we would definitely want to be very much involved in that discussion because
[51:11] the capacity is certainly a question for us as well, Mr. Mornin.
[51:17] Yeah, I want to generally appreciate so much that you brought back the off campus housing.
[51:21] It's going to be a tremendous help for everyone involved.
[51:26] I also wanted to point out that there are so many neighbors that I've spoken with that
[51:32] appreciate that the government is supporting their attempts to protect their quality of life.
[51:39] There's a quality of life for students and this is a quality of life for a long-term
[51:43] residents, and that's what we're balancing here.
[51:46] It's not that the government's evil or imposing things on people that's saying there's
[51:51] a quality of life here.
[51:52] Fran and I lived on the historic south side for 39 years, and the quality of life changed
[51:57] from where we grew up, our children, to the point where you just couldn't, you just couldn't
[52:02] stay there because the car is coming and going, the parties, and everything going on
[52:06] there.
[52:06] So, you know, now since we see this spreading to other neighborhoods in college stations, we are
[52:12] doing our best to provide areas of the community where you have the quality of life for students,
[52:19] you have quality of life for older, more established neighborhoods.
[52:23] So, and I appreciate the university coming on board helping us achieve this goal.
[52:27] We want to be part of the we want to be good neighbors with you and we want to work with you on all of these initiatives
[52:32] Right, it's not a student versus long-term rest of the quality of life. It's life style. Yes, sir. We appreciate that. Thank you, sir. Sir
[52:41] I'm seeing any of the questions or comments on this Baker Dr. Baker. Thank you. General. Thank you for being here. You we I hope we've got 15 or 20 people that are going to speak to us
[52:54] some in groups
[52:55] some individually on this topic, so I will begin that with the first group on my list.
[53:06] The speaker will be Alianna Vincent and with her, they will have 10 minutes with her
[53:13] as Johnny Vincent.
[53:14] If you just stand up and stay standing, Patricia Baker, Robin Glover, Greg Gorman, okay,
[53:22] we've got our team here, Liana. Welcome back.
[53:27] Thank you. Good evening, council and good evening, city manager.
[53:32] My name is Liana Vincent and I own what is called the Howdy House
[53:37] I'm Pershing Avenue and I'm speaking tonight on behalf of the occupancy
[53:42] enforcement Alliance and residents. Please stand if you're here to
[53:47] employer enforcement.
[53:52] Okay, awesome. Thank you.
[53:56] Today we're here, and we're
[53:59] asking the city and the council to take the last steps toward effective
[54:04] enforcement. If you will remember the movie Rocky.
[54:14] What a Rocky stopped right in the middle of the steps. It just wouldn't have been
[54:21] same movie right? Miss Vincent.
[54:23] Did you hear me? No, I just wanted to let you know. There's another item that will be
[54:28] talking about middle housing, so that's not the topic here.
[54:31] I know.
[54:32] You're passing it. That's thanks.
[54:33] I want to talk to Miss. Thank you.
[54:36] Thank you.
[54:36] Thank you.
[54:37] So, back to Rocky.
[54:41] He made it to the top.
[54:42] And that's what we're talking about tonight.
[54:46] So, we're going to go all the way to the top with the steps.
[54:48] So we're going to finish toward effectiveness and excellence.
[54:52] So go back, if you look at the bottom of the steps in 2020,
[54:57] the south side study was initiated,
[54:59] and data was collected to understand the enforcement process.
[55:03] Then in 2022, multiple times recommendations were made
[55:07] and presented 2023, the sheer awareness and support.
[55:12] many residents have been meeting and coming meeting after meeting to discuss enforcement and
[55:20] following the law.
[55:21] Then in the college town study, we presented to get more ideas and understand other cities
[55:26] enforcement practices.
[55:28] Since then, this group has met with each council member, the city manager, the director
[55:35] of off campus housing and her staff, twice, and student leaders, as well as speaking to
[55:40] Senate, Student Senate last night, about the importance of coming up with a viable plan for enforcement.
[55:48] So we're here to encourage the last steps that you see in blue.
[55:52] Right now, the city has worked feverishly to pass mental housing, student housing areas, and TEMU has been educating simultaneously.
[56:02] We recommended, if you see the next step, the occupancy disclosure statements be put in leases.
[56:07] There's a Facebook page called Aggie Parents, and they want to know what areas there's
[56:12] own what, so they can comply with the law.
[56:15] We believe that this disclosure would help parents and students.
[56:20] Next, you can see communicate fines and criminal to civil.
[56:24] We believe these should be paired together.
[56:28] Go up the next up workflow and test and modify.
[56:34] we hope to see workflow issues improved, tested, and modified with clear procedures communicated
[56:40] and needed enforcement officers as well as technology in place. Lastly, we'd love to hear a
[56:47] public statement that there will be effective enforcement with fines and that this will be done
[56:52] well with best practices. So I'm going to start with education. What has been done?
[56:59] The University is working its tail-off to educate students.
[57:04] We're very grateful for that.
[57:06] Recently, as Dr. Baker mentioned, they sent out
[57:10] meeting three letters to parents.
[57:12] As a new employee myself of TAMU,
[57:15] I've seen the meeting three and the NOGOS tenant
[57:18] Digital Markies all over campus.
[57:21] I've also seen the information and bags
[57:24] to students in the Southside neighborhood.
[57:27] They've communicated up the new student conferences, all of this is amazing and I'm sure
[57:33] as Dr. Baker described tonight there's more.
[57:37] We've also been educating ourselves and we learned that the dorms are out of 104% capacity
[57:44] and as you discussed a little bit earlier in the last 10 years, 20,000, the student population
[57:50] is grown by 20,000.
[57:53] The city prefers new housing to be private, and the university seems open to private public partnerships for new student housing and as was mentioned the study is coming out so we're interested in hearing about that from the university side.
[58:09] The off campus office is limited to educating students and enforcement is really the city's role.
[58:17] If you look, I'm about to hear we're trusting in the council to take next steps after all of this education.
[58:25] They've worked hard. The city has worked hard on middle housing, shared housing, and the who.
[58:31] And we're hoping to see the city work is hard on the last steps toward enforcement and build trust.
[58:37] Third, education needs to include why. Why occupancy is limited?
[58:42] For example, financial displacement of the working class, minorities and lower income.
[58:49] The northern four ordinance was created to save working class neighborhoods.
[58:53] You'll hear more about this tonight.
[58:56] Fourth, education should be paired with enforcement.
[58:59] The city has always stated that it's enforcing the law.
[59:02] The word enforcement has no meaning without consequences.
[59:06] The university has invested greatly in me and three.
[59:10] And so there's a law, but if the city doesn't enforce it, it proves it's not important.
[59:17] We have then created both resistance and entitlement and unrealistic expectations.
[59:23] Fifth, a part of education is realizing that neighborhoods have compromised.
[59:29] Residents understand the need for student housing and have sought solutions.
[59:34] One example is in West Park.
[59:36] This is near Well-Burn George Bush in the Mont Clare corridor.
[59:40] Residents agreed to hide density, three to five story apartments,
[59:45] investors bill Ag Shacks there,
[59:47] but that was something that residents agreed to.
[59:50] Additionally, the middle housing committee representatives are working towards solutions
[59:54] to create student housing in areas that make sense.
[1:00:00] In addition, neighborhoods have suggested that civil, the civil rather than criminalizing students. Everyone is agreeing on this and you'll hear more about that tonight as well.
[1:00:12] Six, another part of education is having realistic expectations.
[1:00:19] The more than four is generous.
[1:00:22] We looked at 34 college towns. You can see on the slide, only one other had no more than four.
[1:00:29] You can see the rest or three or two. Education means to include stopping misinformation.
[1:00:37] There's not a student housing shortage and you'll hear more about that tonight as well.
[1:00:42] Let's solve these problems by researching, planning, and taking the steps needed.
[1:00:48] Thank you for all of your hard work on this, thank you to the City Manager, thank you to Michael, the Mayor, the Council, Dr. Baker, Student, CCN and Southside.
[1:01:00] And Shirley Depress will be up to discuss the occupancy disclosure statement.
[1:01:07] Thank you.
[1:01:10] Thank you, Ms. Vincent.
[1:01:12] Next will be Shirley Depressed, be followed by Jacob McFarland.
[1:01:20] I'm sure they do priest, I live in South Son.
[1:01:25] I'll make this quick.
[1:01:26] You've got the items listed up here,
[1:01:29] and I'm sure you've got a packet that you can refer to.
[1:01:36] It's pretty straightforward.
[1:01:38] We're recommending our suggesting that
[1:01:41] an occupancy disclosure be included with
[1:01:45] with rental leases, so that you have
[1:01:49] I understand that there's this same sort of page or disclosure that comes with rental registration
[1:01:58] but because students and rental agreements change every year having this disclosure statement attached to each
[1:02:09] a rental agreement would be make a clear statement that the owner and the tenants are aware
[1:02:20] of the requirements and had that agreement available when a code enforcement officer comes
[1:02:29] to the door and says, you know there's only supposed to be four here and you sign this disclosure
[1:02:36] that says that you know that.
[1:02:37] It's also something that will help, or could be looked at as a benefit for the owner, because
[1:02:48] the owner has a sign disclosure that he knows, for people will be paying the rent for
[1:02:56] this house regardless of whether there are more people that live there.
[1:03:03] We just feel like that this additional disclosure statement that would be attached to each rental lease would provide written documentation that everyone is aware that it's no more than four.
[1:03:20] Thank you.
[1:03:21] Thank you, Mr. Priest.
[1:03:24] A Jacob McFarland will be followed by a group with Fred DuPrice speaking for them.
[1:03:33] I think that's the slide one.
[1:03:36] My name is Control.
[1:03:39] Did you?
[1:03:39] Yes, I am.
[1:03:40] I apologize.
[1:03:43] Yes, so good evening.
[1:03:45] Again, my name is Jacob McFarland.
[1:03:46] I live in the Delaney Sub Division of the Southside Neighborhood College Station.
[1:03:50] Continuing the presentation from a previous speaker,
[1:03:52] I'd like to address the need to establish consistent fair and clear consequences for violating
[1:04:00] our no more than four ordinance and the urgent need to communicate these consequences to the residents.
[1:04:06] Our current ordinance establishes fines that are consistent with the state law.
[1:04:10] State law allows fines from $25 to $2,000 per day for violations of previous awareness of the law can be established
[1:04:18] and $25,500 per day otherwise.
[1:04:22] needs to be made clear that these are not one-time fines and that the fines will accrue
[1:04:26] until the property is brought into compliance. Monthly rents for homes and college
[1:04:31] station, especially those that were built to break the no more than four ordinance,
[1:04:36] can top $6,000 a month. So a $500 fine is really just going to be seen one-time $500 fine
[1:04:43] would be seen as a cost to doing business. Furthermore, the rate at which the fines will accrue
[1:04:48] needs to be established.
[1:04:51] An initial grace period should be made with the interval between the fines
[1:04:55] then decreasing until the violation is resolved.
[1:05:00] In Levit, Texas, the Cotent Forcement Officers there,
[1:05:03] established an informal grace period of about several weeks.
[1:05:07] They said, for the first violation,
[1:05:09] and then increased to daily fines thereafter to ensure
[1:05:13] that the occupancy ordinance was followed.
[1:05:15] I recommend that the city establish a formal policy, allowing for a two week grace period
[1:05:21] initially, and then moving to daily fines.
[1:05:24] This will provide violators sometime to respond while also establishing clear meaningful
[1:05:29] consequences for breaking our walls.
[1:05:33] Next section there, to the identification of violations must also be fair, clear, and easy
[1:05:39] to understand.
[1:05:39] The city needs to establish the evidence necessary to issue citations and provide a system for code enforcement to follow.
[1:05:48] Evidence needs to be accepted from citizens and code enforcement must be required to act on an untimely manner.
[1:05:53] Citations should not be issued based on arbitrary judgment from city officials but should follow consistent metrics.
[1:05:59] This could be something as simple as having a five or more cars parked at a residence
[1:06:06] for a percentage of 75 percent of the time for a period of maybe 14 days as it has been
[1:06:13] used in other cities.
[1:06:14] A citation that was not the end of the process and residents should and will have a chance
[1:06:19] to provide their own evidence if they believe they aren't in compliance.
[1:06:23] Lastly, these consequences need to be communicated clearly and consistently, we need to make
[1:06:32] a press statement that makes this clear that we will be enforcing this law, and we need
[1:06:38] to make a website to establish what the procedures will be in the grace period, and then finally
[1:06:44] provide clear evidence to Texas A&M, clear guidance to A&M, so that they can spread the
[1:06:49] word.
[1:06:49] Thank you.
[1:06:52] Mr. Dupriest, let me introduce Eden Fielder,
[1:06:58] if you'd stand in just a standing, Allen James, Charles Kennerley,
[1:07:04] Mary Elves, Mary Elizabeth Dressor, and George,
[1:07:08] Dressor over here.
[1:07:09] Thank you for being here, and Mr. Dupriest,
[1:07:11] the floor is yours.
[1:07:13] Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
[1:07:16] You know, I'm listening to these presentations
[1:07:18] and it may sound like the verb eating a dead horse you've heard these things before but we
[1:07:21] actually are moving into a level of detail now and some issues that actually have never
[1:07:27] talked about and I think that the civil versus criminal is pivotal so much that it is now
[1:07:34] the central conversation that we're moving to. We want you to understand the occupancy
[1:07:40] alliance is objective in supporting and proposing civil actually two years ago and very clearly
[1:07:46] over the last year and a half.
[1:07:49] We do care that students don't have a criminal record that's extremely important, but we arrived
[1:07:53] at our conclusion by the study that four years of study we've done in the Southside that
[1:07:58] are not explained why we haven't been able to enforce, why don't we get convictions in houses
[1:08:03] where absolutely certain, you know, you've seen the pictures you know, they're over-occupied.
[1:08:08] And what we come to is this criminal conviction, but it's more specifically the standard
[1:08:12] evidence, which is beyond a reasonable doubt, no doubt they're guilty, that's hard, that's
[1:08:19] very hard. And so what cities have done in going to civil is not go to just a civil because
[1:08:25] I can still keep applying those same standards of review if I want to or choose to, it's
[1:08:31] going to civil and an a more a lower level of evidence, you know, probable cause perhaps,
[1:08:36] reasonable cause. So, probable cause literally means what it says that it's probably true,
[1:08:43] and it's all I have to show. Typically in a city, they just look at cars in the economy,
[1:08:49] they have some prime of a face-to-standard like a while days out of X, you know, percent of days.
[1:08:55] And then it's, they say that's enough to be probably true, and maybe you have a supervisor review
[1:09:01] and work with the code enforcement officer for another level. But that is the extent of it,
[1:09:06] And the key is it doesn't involve the city of turning, in every case, the prosecuting
[1:09:11] attorney, the judge, or the court.
[1:09:12] So it greatly reduces the burden of enforcement.
[1:09:15] And a lot of the reasons that we struggle to enforce, it makes it easier to convict.
[1:09:24] That's why we support it, because it moves the standard of evidence to something different.
[1:09:30] But it does not make it more likely that the individual is going to be convicted who is not over occupying the house.
[1:09:38] Because you're going to knock on the door, talk to him.
[1:09:41] They're either going to meet the Tammy Desperate definition or not.
[1:09:44] You still have research to do, there's still work.
[1:09:46] But if the person's right to then, it says, doesn't change at all.
[1:09:50] It's right now that you go to court and explain that you're not violating.
[1:09:54] Under civil, you go to court if you want to.
[1:09:56] The tell us one of the cities is that never happens.
[1:09:59] that it's too clear-cut, you have a promising definition, you violate it, you can't explain
[1:10:04] your family definition, you don't fit it, and so why would you go to court?
[1:10:09] So they don't have civil cases that actually go to court that they pay the fine or if someone
[1:10:15] moves out and we have the grace periods and all as well, which are very important.
[1:10:21] So a warning move and stay on that theme a little bit about why is it so important that
[1:10:26] would be really rigorous and draw hard hard line
[1:10:30] on foreign related and clearly communicate,
[1:10:35] make sure no students are sounding contract right now.
[1:10:39] And the reason is that it's critical that we hold them on it
[1:10:42] for and related as Leon showed you other cities.
[1:10:45] We didn't cherry pick those.
[1:10:47] It's hard to find a college town with our ratio of students
[1:10:50] who doesn't limit to two or three due to the cash flow.
[1:10:53] So we've talked before about the middle housing
[1:10:56] and effects that we'll have, but imagine that lower income, who lives there, minorities in
[1:11:00] the month, what happens when they have to be with cash flow from five, if we don't hold
[1:11:05] the line and we just keep creeping and creek, well, we've actually crept to 10, right, 9
[1:11:10] or 8 or so, and now we're responding to that, but just creeping to five, just think about
[1:11:15] one more cash flow.
[1:11:17] So that still hits the same demographic, the hardest, if we let that creep, but a new thought,
[1:11:24] And maybe a little bit different is that if I add $400 a fifth person and I let that creep
[1:11:31] happen broadly, then it will not change the law and allow five instead of four.
[1:11:37] You're probably adding, you're adding an investor to put about $75,000 more in a house and
[1:11:42] come away with exactly the same profit.
[1:11:46] What that means is the investment community can now look at your city and pick houses that
[1:11:51] up to $75,000 more and that's $5,500 homes. You actually bring $5,500 homes, potentially,
[1:12:01] into this sphere that we're trying to expand this sphere that we're unable to protect.
[1:12:05] Greatly under our city. Now, this is idealized. Of course, it happens over time.
[1:12:09] It depends on the home and all that. But the logic of it is extremely powerful.
[1:12:13] It's why cities limit to two to three to three in the first place.
[1:12:16] And it's why we have so much expansion and displacement in our city before five logically is going to expand
[1:12:23] What's in the middle of that range right there this this is every house the college station plotted 23,000 homes
[1:12:30] their values the each bar has about a hundred in it
[1:12:34] The homes in the middle of that arrow were expanding were saying
[1:12:37] $75,000 will let you take those in we're talking about a lot of homes in Pebble Creek
[1:12:46] The problem is our profile is so flat that no matter what your break-even is for an investor,
[1:12:52] if you add 75,000 to it, you go 5,000 homes.
[1:12:57] Anywhere along that profile there, it's the same slope, it's the math of it.
[1:13:03] So we have a lot of, I mean, this is really serious.
[1:13:07] And drawing them on it for and successfully prosecuting it is the only way to draw the line
[1:13:12] it for.
[1:13:13] Now, if I'm analyzing the workflow, you know, we can't do that to we have civil, we understand that.
[1:13:19] We need to make that decision on civil, but remember that the issue is, if we go to civil, you know,
[1:13:27] and there's other recommendations, there's no changes.
[1:13:29] We've been talking about those for a while, the key thing here is that when we go to civil,
[1:13:34] you need to know as a city council before you approve civil exactly what the standard of evidence is going to be
[1:13:42] officially with that civil? Is it reasonable cause? We just means reasonably, you know, I think it is. It's like a speeding ticket. You get, you get, you get, stop. You get a ticket because, you know, it's observed. I have a radar.
[1:13:58] They're just like a prime official rule. If you are X number miles or the speed limit, the police officer does not have a choice. They find you. There's no decision.
[1:14:07] And you can go to court and defend yourself. Most people just pay it.
[1:14:11] So, that is what civil is to behave like.
[1:14:15] Now, if we're actually not going to do that,
[1:14:18] if we're going to go to civil and keep all of these layers
[1:14:21] of review and some kind of standard, because we're
[1:14:23] worried about pellet courts, or ruining some
[1:14:25] or else, or whatever, if we're not going to do that,
[1:14:27] the occupancy enforcement allows does not support civil.
[1:14:32] And you should be concerned about it yourselves,
[1:14:34] because if you're not achieving what you want, which is
[1:14:38] Because the reason we weren't enforcing before us, we know the evidence was our evidence
[1:14:44] that you stand, we're keeping this from every convicting anybody.
[1:14:48] We must go to a different standard of evidence to ensure that we recommend a workshop before
[1:14:55] your approval and which we all get a detailed, you get a detailed explanation.
[1:15:00] The exactly what is the work for? What is the standard? What must you see and how you know and how
[1:15:05] you decide who will you communicate with. What will that grace period be? All of the things need
[1:15:09] to be enriding. You need to improve that level of detail because other cities have and then
[1:15:15] they publish a document. So students, everybody knows exactly what the rules are. And then we can
[1:15:21] say, okay, with that workflow, I'm okay with civil. If we can't do that and I would be concerned that
[1:15:28] we won't get a different result than now.
[1:15:30] So thank you, and I'll turn the presentation over to the speaker who we'll talk about our
[1:15:38] last steps.
[1:15:39] You have questions or that I can answer, I'd be glad to hear.
[1:15:44] I think we'll move on with speakers.
[1:15:46] Thank you.
[1:15:48] Mr. Lloyd Davis.
[1:15:52] Mr. Davis, we followed by Katherine Edwards.
[1:16:00] Hi, Lloyd Davis, been here before.
[1:16:02] Thank you for your time.
[1:16:03] afternoon, just trying to wrap the thing up a little bit, and I think one of the most important
[1:16:10] steps is right now for you as a council, we're setting the timelines and the expectations,
[1:16:17] because there's a lot of work that's been done by staff, by yourselves, by citizen committees,
[1:16:24] CSAM occupancy, enforcement alliance, a lot of people have gone into this, but we've got
[1:16:30] start testing and we're recommending that testing start as soon as March, not convictions,
[1:16:39] not finding people, but testing the processes, because it's going to be the processes
[1:16:43] as further saying that make this thing work or not work.
[1:16:48] If, and to make it better, at the same time, I'm suggesting that you have an empowered team,
[1:16:54] a small team in place with clearer expectations to review the process, what are we generating?
[1:17:02] Why aren't we generating things?
[1:17:04] Why are we generating too many false-mic enforcement?
[1:17:08] Why are there so many steps for approval and that sort of thing?
[1:17:12] And these to be a short, streamlined process with a few people involved,
[1:17:17] others with oversight of their departments to make sure that it's working.
[1:17:21] But if we start in March with the testing, we can implement in May, we could also let students
[1:17:28] do have any changes that we find before then.
[1:17:31] In schedule of July, one workshop for students and the general public to say, this is what
[1:17:36] we've learned so far, this is where we're at, so that there's no surprises.
[1:17:41] I realize you'll eyes not great for our students, but if we don't test all our students
[1:17:45] are here, it doesn't really matter on the rest of it.
[1:17:48] We need to know that as well.
[1:17:50] so that we can ultimately, in step 3, we have a final process published by August, civil statutes,
[1:17:58] I think, as long as we can make it go and, as Red was saying, civil statutes allow fewer steps,
[1:18:06] clearer responsibilities, and we can begin to move this forward. And the last thing, and perhaps
[1:18:12] most important thing is we'll never have a council that's more experienced in this matter than
[1:18:21] the one we're right now. We'll never have people sitting near that no more about it than you do.
[1:18:26] By making this work now, I think it would be bad for our city and our constituencies. If this
[1:18:33] became an election issue for people that are running for council seats, we've got a group here that's
[1:18:39] through it, you know what you're doing, which is to ask that you help us to make this
[1:18:44] thing work to take the time that you've already given and make sure that we're able to bring
[1:18:49] that home with to something that everybody can look with. It's a city problem, it's a school
[1:18:55] problem, you know, 24 years of love on the dorm is way too long. But we appreciate your attention,
[1:19:02] we appreciate your time, what you've done so far, and what you'll do in the future. Thank
[1:19:06] you.
[1:19:06] Thank you, Mr. Davis.
[1:19:10] Katherine Edwards.
[1:19:12] Katherine Edwards will be followed by Lee James.
[1:19:25] My name is Katherine Edwards.
[1:19:29] I live at 313, Pershing Avenue,
[1:19:31] and I'm speaking for the occupancy enforcement alliance.
[1:19:36] Once again, we're standing up here,
[1:19:39] asking you to protect our homes and neighborhoods.
[1:19:42] by we, I mean, a permanent residence of college station.
[1:19:48] The issue we're addressing tonight is the problem of over occupancy.
[1:19:52] Is there enough affordable student housing in college station?
[1:19:57] As an student body has continued to grow,
[1:20:00] college station has become a city of apartment complexes
[1:20:02] and entire neighborhoods of high-density residences,
[1:20:07] built specifically for the student market.
[1:20:09] Available sources indicate there is no shortage of affordable housing.
[1:20:15] I submit to you that there are many existing homes and apartments available for rent right now,
[1:20:20] with a per person cost from $350 to $500, if shared by four people.
[1:20:28] Even a cursory perusal of Zillow will confirm this.
[1:20:31] And as recently as Sunday, apartmentfinder.com showed 11 apartment complexes in College Station with rents at $500 or below per person when rented by four.
[1:20:45] According to the City and the University, College Station does not have a rental housing shortage,
[1:20:50] where close to 80% capacity, which means 20% of rental housing is still available.
[1:20:58] For example, there are so many rooms available in Park West that non-students are renting there.
[1:21:06] And according to a website called Department of Numbers.com,
[1:21:09] which was recommended to me by the BCS Department Association.
[1:21:14] In 2019, 48% of all housing units in College Station were rentals.
[1:21:22] That's almost half of the entire city.
[1:21:25] Additionally, College Station rents are lower than larger cities in Texas, and close
[1:21:30] to the same as other college towns.
[1:21:33] Yes, there is affordable housing available, could it just be that this housing does not
[1:21:39] student expectations, is there an expectation to live close to campus in nice family
[1:21:46] neighborhoods where as many friends as possible to bring down the cost? Basically, to
[1:21:52] live where anyone wants with no constraints, adults don't have that luxury, we have to
[1:21:59] live in what we can afford. Please, retain the no more than four ordinance and begin
[1:22:05] actively enforcing it as promised in June.
[1:22:10] Thank you very much for your hard work.
[1:22:13] Thank you, Ms. Edwards.
[1:22:17] Just lead James.
[1:22:18] We followed by Bill Griffin.
[1:22:24] Oh, Lee James from Southside.
[1:22:26] Catherine discovered a lot of what I was going to say.
[1:22:28] But I do want to add that I know some students
[1:22:33] have expressed concern about affordability.
[1:22:42] That's part of the university's responsibility.
[1:22:44] The university with this ample resources can provide affordable housing through in their dorms and their campus private dorms and apartments, and if they're going white creek all the better
[1:22:56] Prices for college rentals don't always work the same as rentals for single families when we bought our first rental
[1:23:02] We were told we could get x for student so for renting to four kids. It was four x
[1:23:08] If we had been lawbreakers and read into five, it would have been five X.
[1:23:13] It's more likely that the prices will go up.
[1:23:16] If the city removes restrictions, the savings students think they will get aren't going to happen.
[1:23:21] Five plus students living in a single family home is middle housing,
[1:23:24] something that you all are diligently carving out for the students.
[1:23:28] Middle housing and apartments were modified and designed to accommodate the high density.
[1:23:33] Single family neighborhoods were not designed for every other house to have five plus F-150s
[1:23:38] for scooters. Overcrouting, overcrouting mixed with the wrong infrastructure leads the unsafe
[1:23:45] outcomes as the entire state just learned with the live at the station event. Students
[1:23:50] also seem to believe that if the city removes their restrictions, they can have an undetermined
[1:23:55] number of roommates. However, landlords can still restrict the number of tenants. There's probably
[1:24:01] Some eyes roll them back there,
[1:24:05] but that's what the refusal to enforce is done.
[1:24:12] It's created a dislike and a distrust of our landlords, but we need landlords.
[1:24:16] We just need them to abide by the law.
[1:24:19] Contrary to popular belief, there are landlords who follow the rules, and even those who
[1:24:23] don't, may not want to take kids living in their house or doubling up in rooms.
[1:24:27] That will still lead to ghost tenants that students will believe or legal, because you have said it's okay,
[1:24:33] and but they're not going to be legal according to lease agreements.
[1:24:37] Maintaining the no more than four is essential.
[1:24:40] By now, everyone is a familiar.
[1:24:42] There should be no questions or confusing.
[1:24:45] There are two areas of apartments and middle housing where students can live with high occupancy.
[1:24:50] This is where doubling up in rooms should take place.
[1:24:52] The current ordinance protects landlords and students from unwanted ghost tenants.
[1:24:57] It maintains neighborhood integrity by providing everyone a safe and comfortable neighbors to live in.
[1:25:03] The young faces out there aren't going to be here in four years.
[1:25:07] The old ones you see the citizens of college station will be here for years to come.
[1:25:11] It's time to provide for and protect the city's permanent residents.
[1:25:15] Thank you.
[1:25:16] Thank you Ms. James.
[1:25:18] Mr. Bill Griffin.
[1:25:20] Mr. Bill Griffin.
[1:25:23] I'll be followed by Trey Watson.
[1:25:31] Thank you.
[1:25:32] A lot of my comments have been covered already here.
[1:25:35] So I'll I'll I'll dva from script just a little bit.
[1:25:40] I'll talk to you.
[1:25:41] There you go.
[1:25:42] I'll scrunch down.
[1:25:44] So we my wife and I we live at 302 temperature 8 in south side and we move there.
[1:25:50] Built the home three years ago to retire in college station and with a pretty good understanding
[1:25:55] what we were getting into when we moved into the neighborhood, we chose that place to be close
[1:26:00] to the campus. Some of the surprises have been discussed here tonight. In fact, last two
[1:26:08] semesters prior to this, we had eight students living in a four-bedroom house done at the end
[1:26:13] of the street. So we had a front row seat to what all goes with that type of living arrangement.
[1:26:20] And so I applaud the university for the efforts they made at, it made a difference.
[1:26:26] They're not there this year.
[1:26:27] So we got four kids in the house and we're very thankful.
[1:26:31] But what happens isn't, you hear a lot about game days and the parties, what it is is
[1:26:37] every Thursday, Friday, Saturday, night about 2 AM when they roll out a Northgate.
[1:26:41] And it only takes one to ruin the whole thing and it was discussed earlier.
[1:26:46] So, originally my intention to come up here was the student senate proposal to expand or drop the no more than four.
[1:26:56] And everything I've heard today seems to substantiate the fact that we're going to continue to move forward with enforcement.
[1:27:04] What was disappointing, what is the fact that only 15% of the students in the Texas Union University have on campus housing options.
[1:27:12] I think and look to you guys to really continue to put as much pressure as possible on the university
[1:27:19] to provide more solutions, more high-density housing options.
[1:27:23] It's their responsibility to do it.
[1:27:25] You can look at the money and the facilities that are being built for the athletic department.
[1:27:29] I know there's different funding involved.
[1:27:32] But frankly, 12,000 isn't that meeting more than when I came here in the mid-70s to go to school.
[1:27:38] I think the university's grown with somewhat of a disregard for the impact on the community.
[1:27:44] And so I just urge you to continue to stay diligent and enforcement landlords have to be responsible.
[1:27:52] At the end of the day, these kids are going to work around things.
[1:27:54] And if the landlords have enough punitive issues that come with violating these ordinances that you put in place,
[1:28:03] I think will be successful in maintaining the integrity of the neighborhoods and I applaud your efforts.
[1:28:07] Thank you.
[1:28:09] Thank you, Mr. Griffin.
[1:28:12] Mr. Trey Watson.
[1:28:15] Did I see Trey come in?
[1:28:19] I don't see Mr. Watson, so we will move on.
[1:28:22] That's the last individual that we have had here for signed up.
[1:28:31] Is anybody having further comments?
[1:28:32] I would like to suggest something to, I guess, Dr. Baker's left, so maybe.
[1:28:39] I would I'd like to ask another question.
[1:28:41] I occurred to me.
[1:28:47] I was still on workshop item 8.1.
[1:28:51] I was impressed with energy and efforts from your office and Barbara Moore and many others and outreach and education.
[1:29:01] I didn't hear maybe I missed it in your presentation about the efforts to meet with and educate
[1:29:09] property managers and investor groups of one kind or another. Tell me about that part of the plan.
[1:29:18] Yeah sure. So the staff right now have been going on every Thursday to visit all the property here in town.
[1:29:23] That would be apartment, high-density, single dwellings and then starting to meet with our
[1:29:29] management companies and our locator services.
[1:29:33] We presented today at the Brown College Station
[1:29:36] of Perm Association meeting, talked about where we are
[1:29:39] with the office, when over some data, we have on students.
[1:29:42] Jacqueline is currently working on a property management
[1:29:45] landlord survey that we're going to send out to a number,
[1:29:50] and work with Debbie,
[1:29:51] and we're on the rental registration
[1:29:52] to get that out to collect some additional data on those components.
[1:29:56] and we're looking at some pieces around.
[1:30:00] We know, particularly in our non-apprentment complex dwellings, that everybody's on but Texas apartment association lease. About 90% of our high-density apartment structures use that lease, unless they're corporate built, and not on a corporate lease out of the state of Texas jurisdiction. We have to help them bring that lease into compliance with Texas Red Book Property Code.
[1:30:25] But we're kind of working through some pieces around how we help them know what we have in
[1:30:32] services and where we are mitigating some of our on ethical practices from some of our
[1:30:39] rogue landlord management companies that are providing misinformation to our students
[1:30:45] our parents.
[1:30:45] So right now they're out meeting, we're addressing issues that are coming up, we're cold
[1:30:50] calling for concerns that are being brought to us either from the city, from the vice
[1:30:54] President's office from parents or from students directly and working with our students attorney
[1:30:59] to begin to file some local litigation against some of our property managers as a way to
[1:31:06] do some education around the expectations on contract agreements on from the student perspective.
[1:31:13] I know the idea of a disclosure statement was brought up here tonight and presented to us
[1:31:19] before and I've seen it from some other cities and I know we have referred to our cities
[1:31:23] staff, do you have any thoughts on that from your perspective and talking to your advisory?
[1:31:30] Yeah, actually, I think it's a really important component of the leasing process. We see a number
[1:31:35] of additional agenda out of Talisa's pets, mold, paint, age of a house, maintenance, yard maintenance
[1:31:42] expectations. It will just be one additional. It actually protects everybody involved in the
[1:31:47] contractual agreement because it's a disclosure that the landlord indicates they understand the rules
[1:31:52] And our exposing our students and also helps us to educate our students and our landlords on trying to abolish this ghost tinnoning practice that we have going on because it outlines what needs to happen based on the residential facility the leases attached to so we're actually actually very much in support of that.
[1:32:12] as a way to help our students be able to advocate
[1:32:15] on the other side because I think what we hear from the,
[1:32:18] and we've had some really lovely meeting
[1:32:20] with our permanent resident associations
[1:32:22] that are advocating for more enforcement.
[1:32:25] From the student side, I know you've heard a lot
[1:32:27] around sort of how that enforcement works in those pieces
[1:32:30] and where we have really seen the push and pull
[1:32:34] of the tension of those two sides
[1:32:36] is that the students are being fined
[1:32:38] but the oftentimes we're not holding the landlord
[1:32:41] or that leasing agent who executed that leasing accountable and that's where the misinformation
[1:32:46] is happening and so the contract agenda will allow us to help our students while bringing
[1:32:51] them into education and compliance hold our landlords accountable to being in compliance with
[1:32:56] the code as well. So as you talk to those property management leasing organizations you're
[1:33:02] including this idea of a disclosure statement in your conversations with them.
[1:33:07] Oh yeah we talked about it today we also talked about my directive to the off-campus student
[1:33:11] services staff to begin to push for the move of the least signing out of the fall semester
[1:33:16] and post after the winter break holiday that we don't want our student signing until after
[1:33:21] they come back from winter break. So that was presented today during our lunch meeting with that
[1:33:26] association. Thank you. Other fellow questions from council members. Yes. Thank you. Thank you,
[1:33:33] Mayor Nichols. So are you pushing that clause to be added? You're pushing the student and
[1:33:39] parents to have the management company incorporate that class. We're asking for the landlords
[1:33:46] to consider adding the agenda to the lease and we're encouraging our students and our parents
[1:33:52] and family members to make sure they're asking for clarification and that it's received and
[1:33:57] writing as a good practice, you know, three tenants of good contract practice, so you get it in
[1:34:03] writing, make sure you understand it before you sign it and keep a copy. And so that's what we're
[1:34:08] them to do because we're getting a lot of, well they told me it was okay and then the
[1:34:12] Lancelor saying I never said it because the landlords are doing it through verbal communication
[1:34:16] and so we're trying to help our, educate our students and our families that just because
[1:34:21] they say it doesn't make it legal and so the agenda is a way we can ask our students to ask
[1:34:26] for it and our landlords to offer it, then make sure everybody's on the same page.
[1:34:31] Thank you very much.
[1:34:33] Yes, Mr. Maloney.
[1:34:34] Yeah, I'm going to need this host to death when, when Fran and I on to do plus one bedroom unit that had one bed on each side, we had our tenant sign a piece of document that said, this individual's living in this unit only and only that person's lack of them.
[1:34:53] You have a visitor coming once in a while. And so when the dad or the student that was living there decided that he was going to put his son and his, and his nephew in there,
[1:35:03] along with his daughter in a one bedroom apartment.
[1:35:08] I show him the, he got mad, I showed him his document.
[1:35:11] He signed that he had to move out.
[1:35:12] And he still mad at me, but you know what?
[1:35:14] It was the one bedroom unit.
[1:35:17] So we got out of that business after a while
[1:35:19] because the taxes were higher than the amount of money
[1:35:21] we were getting and the taxing entities refused
[1:35:24] to cut the grass on that side of the duplex that they owned.
[1:35:27] That's another issue.
[1:35:29] But I really came on its stress.
[1:35:31] important is that the occupancy limits, disclosure statements becomes part of every single
[1:35:37] lease, every single sale. I mean, whenever you bought a piece of property, I mean you get
[1:35:43] the Warren peace volume up there of all the papers you initial.
[1:35:46] Inchecks, inchecks is property code allows for an occupancy disclosure on apartment complexes.
[1:35:53] It's about a eight sentence paragraph that talks about what defines a visitor versus what
[1:35:58] that moves the visitor into an occupancy clause
[1:36:01] and it's a great way to re-address some of the items
[1:36:03] you're hearing from residents and you'll hear from students
[1:36:06] in regards to clear delineation between the significant
[1:36:11] other who's sort of permanently moved in
[1:36:14] but isn't technically a renter versus the ghost tenant
[1:36:18] because I think those are different issues too.
[1:36:20] So the agenda is a great way to address for all parties
[1:36:23] in a legal manner, clear instructions and expectations
[1:36:27] around the execution of that lease.
[1:36:29] I think I won't be very, very pleased to see that become just normal procedure.
[1:36:33] Thank you so much for working on that.
[1:36:36] Thank you, Ms. Mooney. Any other questions, Mr. Smith?
[1:36:39] One more. I'm very encouraged by the amount of effort that I'm seeing with this group.
[1:36:45] This is very, very good. And the momentum is moving in the right direction, but all of it doesn't
[1:36:53] I mean anything if when we get to the end, we aren't enforcing and that's just something that I'm aware of and I will keep my eye on that goal.
[1:37:05] Absolutely.
[1:37:05] We have heard that loud and clear from, again, all of the individuals who we have the chance to speak with who are speaking tonight as well as the City Manager.
[1:37:13] Our efforts are to tell the students that come the end of the academic semester and may
[1:37:18] the expectations of the high-warning educational component in the institution's efforts
[1:37:25] where we won't cease education, it will be on them to ensure that they are in compliance
[1:37:31] and that those releases moving into the fall 24 academic semester are in compliance with CityCode.
[1:37:38] Thank you.
[1:37:39] Thank you.
[1:37:41] Let's go now.
[1:37:43] Yeah.
[1:37:44] Thank you, Dr. Baker.
[1:37:45] One thing you mentioned a minute ago made me wonder, the no more than four unrelated
[1:37:49] is not a rental issue.
[1:37:53] You could own your own home and still not be allowed to have more than three unrelated people
[1:37:59] living in your home, even if you don't charge them rent.
[1:38:03] And so I think it's important to get that message out.
[1:38:07] It's not just a lease agreement, it's not just a landlord issue, I mean, this is even for homeowners.
[1:38:14] The government regulates who can live in your home even if it's your home and you're not charging people rent.
[1:38:19] They still regulate who can live in that home.
[1:38:22] And so you touched on it with significant other in passing just a minute ago that a girlfriend could come and live into a home.
[1:38:30] Even if she's not paying rent, that additional person could trip the no more than what me and three or whatever.
[1:38:36] Yeah, no more than for them.
[1:38:37] Remember me for us, sir.
[1:38:39] But that you include that conversation as well.
[1:38:41] So we haven't in previous iterations of the off campus student
[1:38:45] services office.
[1:38:46] We worked a lot with investor property developers,
[1:38:50] or we worked with local realtors and regards to home sales.
[1:38:55] That's not where we're at right now.
[1:38:56] I think that's probably a little bit further down for us.
[1:38:59] But we do know we have families that come in and purchase.
[1:39:02] And we'll have two or three Aggies come through.
[1:39:04] they often cousins will live in, and so we begin to do the three degrees of separation
[1:39:08] related to the, are you related or are you not, and how, when do we hit those, and so we do,
[1:39:14] we used to do some education around that. The directive was hit the areas that we need to hit
[1:39:20] as we work through middle housing zoning. Make sure every student on campus knows the expectations
[1:39:28] of engagement around all code, particularly no more than four, and then begin to re-establish the office.
[1:39:34] So those are our number one, two and three priorities for this semester, and then we will continue
[1:39:39] to expand our efforts regarding housing searching, say, searching, non-housing discrimination.
[1:39:46] Some other pieces we know that need to be there were just a lot.
[1:39:50] We started in February, and we have an office in September.
[1:39:53] So it was a whole lot real fast, and a lot of work done before we had staff in place.
[1:39:58] So we have it on our radar, and we do know that we have a lot of passed-down houses where
[1:40:03] and then for his kids and then another sibling purchase it from them and we see him coming out.
[1:40:09] We also run into a lot of leasing problems where it's an owner occupied the owner owns it.
[1:40:15] They're child lives and then they have roommates and their contracts aren't done well because it's sort of a friendly contract and again.
[1:40:21] If it's in writing and we have clear expectations, we have a better way of helping everybody have a good experience and focus on what they're here for, which is their education.
[1:40:28] Absolutely, I really appreciate all that you've done and the speed that you've done, but I also know there's a popular narrative that is about rent and it's about money
[1:40:36] But it's not about rent even if you don't charge rent. This enforcement is still a drive to be enforced
[1:40:41] And it's all about who lives in the house and how they're related and you can get in trouble
[1:40:46] You can get one of these penalties even if you're not charging rent and so I just want that along because I just want those two narratives out there
[1:40:55] Absolutely, we recognize that
[1:40:57] Thank you, Dr. Baker.
[1:40:59] John Ramirez.
[1:41:02] Dr. Baker staff, we appreciate your being here tonight, sharing a lot of really good ideas
[1:41:08] and certainly reflecting Council Member Smith's comment.
[1:41:12] A lot of energy and a lot of effort and momentum.
[1:41:14] I hope we can carry forward.
[1:41:15] Thank you to the citizen speakers as well to kind of rich the dialogue and help us focus our attention.
[1:41:24] so it's been a great evening on this topic. We'll be talking about middle housing and efforts
[1:41:31] to address density in the community and on later agenda item, some of you may wish to stay,
[1:41:37] some of you may wish to go home and have an early evening, but thank you all for being here.
[1:41:44] Okay, with that workshop item, we will move to,
[1:41:53] let me just see where we're going here.
[1:41:54] Get back to my agenda.
[1:42:00] Council members okay with proceeding with item 9.1.
[1:42:06] Okay, we're going to go to our regular agenda.
[1:42:08] Item 9.1 is presentation, discussion, possible action relating to a resolution creating a Texas
[1:42:14] Music Friendly Advisory Committee, Mr. Frasacech.
[1:42:18] From economic development, we'll speak to this, and there is no one signed up to speak.
[1:42:25] Good evening, Mayor and Council, Brian Pissotchuk with Economic Development and Tourson.
[1:42:29] I'm here to present on a resolution to establish a Texas Music Friendly Committee.
[1:42:37] In 2016, the Texas Music Office created the only Music Friendly Community Program in the U.S.
[1:42:43] now known as Music Friendly Texas, which is grown to represent several dozen certified communities across the state.
[1:42:49] Participation in this program provides a unique opportunity to demonstrate the city's desire to attract
[1:42:54] and develop music industry growth, as well as strengthen the network supporting local musicians,
[1:43:00] songwriters, producers, and venues. Our certification process kicked off in March 2023
[1:43:06] when we held our music friendly Texas workshop with representatives from the Texas music office.
[1:43:11] Since that time, staff have pursued the additional steps, including establishing a TMO liaison,
[1:43:18] registering with the Texas music industry directorie, and collaborating with local stakeholders.
[1:43:23] Casey Borelli of all events coordinator is serving as early as on and has done an incredible
[1:43:29] job of fostering relationships with musicians and local venues. We are coming to you this
[1:43:34] evening to formalize the creation of an advisory board to guide future efforts.
[1:43:42] The committee
[1:43:43] will consist of local stakeholders representing a cross section of the music industry. Following the
[1:43:48] initial workshop, Casey has built a network of vested individuals which touch all aspects of the
[1:43:53] local music scene through the collaboration the group formed a monthly networking event called
[1:43:58] Hangout and Tune In, which gives anyone a chance to meet others in the industry, learn about
[1:44:03] local resources, events, and activities, and even grab the mic for a quick performance.
[1:44:09] The events are hosted the third Tuesday of every month that local venues, with the first
[1:44:14] being held in July at the Dixie Chicken, the next Hangout and Tune In is scheduled for
[1:44:18] Tuesday, November 21st at Stampede College Station.
[1:44:23] We have had a total of about 75 people
[1:44:25] join us at these events, and have heard from 16 musicians
[1:44:29] during the open-mic hour.
[1:44:34] Staff recommend approval of the resolution,
[1:44:36] and we'll continue to partner with a stakeholder group
[1:44:38] for future events and activities.
[1:44:40] We are hosting our music-friendly Texas Community
[1:44:43] Certification Ceremony along with the TMO
[1:44:46] next Thursday, November 2nd at the tap,
[1:44:49] which is a fantastic local venue with a great music
[1:44:51] legacy. We'll receive our designation during the ceremony at 630 p.m. followed by a couple
[1:44:57] hours of live music. We encourage everyone to come.
[1:45:00] Mount and enjoy this free event. A press release from the governor went out earlier today to announce
[1:45:05] our impending achievement, and it included comments from Mayor Nichols, Scott Kunkl, a local
[1:45:10] booking agent, and William Clark Green, a Texas Country musician who grew up here. He stated
[1:45:15] in part, I would not have had the inspiration, if it wasn't for the concert series at Wolfpank Creek
[1:45:21] Ampatheter, seeing Pat Green, Cross-Canadian Ragweed, Jerry Jeff Walker, and many, many more. It
[1:45:28] gave me the want to pursue music.
[1:45:31] I'm available for any questions.
[1:45:33] Thank you, Mr. Patrick.
[1:45:35] Good questions from Council.
[1:45:40] He's certainly on the list as well.
[1:45:42] We didn't get a quote from him, so we can work on that for next time.
[1:45:47] Let's start with Ms. Quina.
[1:45:51] Hey, I've loved watching this development.
[1:45:53] I think it's a super cool thing.
[1:45:55] I noticed the agenda items specifically
[1:45:57] is on the advisory committee.
[1:46:00] And I noticed that the advisory committee
[1:46:02] is going to be appointed by the city manager instead of like a city council board or commission.
[1:46:08] Is that going to be like the tourism board?
[1:46:10] Similar to that. Yeah, and certainly working with our liaison, working particularly with KC.
[1:46:15] This is a group of individuals that she has as networked with really from the jump.
[1:46:19] There were a few folks in the industry locally that were really interested in getting involved and kind of drawing those connections.
[1:46:25] So we feel that we've kind of established a really good cross section of folks,
[1:46:29] whether it's either representing record stores, or venues, or songwriters, or musicians,
[1:46:34] I have the chance to attend the most recent Hangout in Tune in at Stage 12 that we held a
[1:46:40] week or so ago, and I had a chance to talk with a professor from A&M, who was involved
[1:46:46] in music performance.
[1:46:48] There was a songwriter who had spent some time in Nashville, who lives now in college
[1:46:50] station and is trying to provide advice to kind of burgeoning musicians themselves, and
[1:46:55] then there were handful of folks that grabbed the mic and sang a few songs as well.
[1:46:58] So it's a really kind of unique opportunity.
[1:47:01] This is something that we've modeled off other cities that have done this.
[1:47:05] The neat thing about this music friendly certification is that you can kind of make it what
[1:47:09] you want it to be.
[1:47:12] And we have followed in the footsteps of other communities, there are some really good examples
[1:47:15] of cities that have received the certification, like a fourth and a love egg, and ones that
[1:47:19] we talk to, who do these monthly mixers.
[1:47:22] And they seem to bear a really unique fruit because there's one of the things that we heard
[1:47:26] from that initial meeting back in March, was that while I was so great, we've all never been
[1:47:31] in a room together to kind of share ideas and that work, and we really see these as kind
[1:47:35] of a guiding light to support that, and we obviously, on the visit called Stationside,
[1:47:40] promote music and participate, maybe sponsoring sort of those larger scale events and those
[1:47:45] sort of things.
[1:47:46] But this is our opportunity to do something that's really grassroots, really foundational,
[1:47:50] and hopefully something that's long lasting and sort of building that, you know, kind
[1:47:53] of continuing to build that culture.
[1:47:55] Yeah, no I I love those texts of certification. I'm glad you're pursuing it. I guess the part that I'm I'm interested in hearing more discussion about is the is how the committee is appointed. So I completely understand the advisory committee I I'm not super excited about the way the tourism board is is run. You know that's one of the you said would be similar to that but those meetings are not calendar on the on the public calendar for people to come in and listen to
[1:48:25] those listen to that conversation that dialogue the way they would a park sport meeting or a
[1:48:30] or a planning and zoning meeting. It's not publicly available. It's not listed on our city's
[1:48:36] boards and commissions. You know, the tourism board is not listed there. And remember the general
[1:48:41] public that isn't already connected with that inner circle doesn't really have the chance to apply
[1:48:46] to be on it because there's no public way to access it without going in through that inner circle door.
[1:48:54] And so for me, I'm all for the Texas Music Friendly Advisory Committee.
[1:48:59] I would just be prefer that it be a City Council appointed advisory committee like the others that we have in the city that then because it is a City Council point of board has to be calendared and anyone can come and listen and also has an open door for anyone that is interested to apply without having to know somebody to get in on that board.
[1:49:20] And so for those reasons, I'm completely in it in a support of the committee, I would just
[1:49:25] like it to be like the other boards and commissions that we have listed on our website.
[1:49:32] Thanks.
[1:49:33] I think Mr. Yenzi was next and then this, I don't know.
[1:49:38] You're Mayor Nichols, Brian, I love that statement, make it what you want it to be.
[1:49:45] So does this afford us an opportunity to bring bigger events or some mechanism or
[1:49:54] machination around attracting larger events?
[1:49:58] Here is at a springboard for that or is it just kind of a local,
[1:50:02] let's get a group of local guys and gals together and have a single
[1:50:08] long. I mean, what can we do to have a real impact through this program?
[1:50:12] Sure, it could be, I don't mean to defer, but it could really be anything of where the group ultimately wants to take it.
[1:50:20] I think your suggestion is one that's apt and certainly relevant in the way that we go about it.
[1:50:26] I've seen this group just internally as a, as against sort of that grassroots movement of helping really connecting on the education side too.
[1:50:36] We've seen some other examples of where musicians have gone into classrooms, they work with
[1:50:41] the local school district, and we have some representations and folks that are going
[1:50:44] to be engaged from culture to NISD, where they can go and talk to music students about
[1:50:48] their experience, you know, sort of going through it and working with venues and writing
[1:50:53] songs and working with producers.
[1:50:55] And it's really about enhancing the existing music scene.
[1:50:59] There are a lot of folks that have obviously had a lot of success here that either grew
[1:51:02] here, or maybe we're a student A&M, and have gone on to pretty significant renowned.
[1:51:08] This is our way of hopefully investing in that foundation to, again, attract the music
[1:51:18] opportunities, the industry opportunities, and then also further engender those opportunities
[1:51:24] here locally.
[1:51:24] That's the whole purpose of this music friendly mission through the governor's office is to, again, not just create that sort of ground well with support, but also signal and say, hey, we're making an investment in music. And this is this is something, I mean, I would have loved to have been the first city to have done this, but we will be the 50 first city across the state of Texas, which is still a, it's a something that is, you think, a 51 that's, that's a lot, but there are obviously, you know, 1,000,
[1:51:54] various municipalities across the state.
[1:51:56] So we're still, I would say on the leading edge and going to continue to interact with our counterparts.
[1:52:03] That's one thing that Casey has done is really invested in seeing again what other cities have done and where they found success and things that we can leverage here.
[1:52:10] I appreciate that answer.
[1:52:14] The one ulterior motive might be greater utilization of Wolpen Creek amphitheater for musical
[1:52:21] acts is that something that could come out of this, that's one, two, I know in your
[1:52:27] position that's not lost on you that Parker McCullum is coming to read a rena in August
[1:52:32] of 2024.
[1:52:34] Can you speak to how did that happen?
[1:52:37] I mean, that's going to be a huge economic impact.
[1:52:41] It will rival if not exceed the Garth Brooks concert
[1:52:45] that was held at Reed Arena.
[1:52:47] And all of a sudden, we've got great big acts at Reed Arena.
[1:52:50] Again, how did that happen?
[1:52:52] Should there be a Texas A&M University representative
[1:52:55] on this committee and can it be leveraged
[1:53:01] to increase utilization of Wolfpink Creek
[1:53:03] amphitheater as an existing asset?
[1:53:06] So, a chance of your question, so Casey has engaged with a couple of different folks from A&M who are involved, from the music booking perspective, we can certainly grow that pie.
[1:53:18] I mean, that's why it was set in general terms to say about 25 individuals.
[1:53:23] So you get a really full cross section in A&M is obviously a major component of that.
[1:53:28] I think what the Park of McCollum concert indicates
[1:53:31] is a growing diversity of options in our community
[1:53:35] where you can have that sort of big headline
[1:53:37] or for something at Rita Rina that would fill that 12, 13, 14,000
[1:53:45] seat arena, something that potentially cow field
[1:53:48] that would be even larger.
[1:53:50] The other thing that this offers
[1:53:51] is better connecting with, again, Harry's and stage 12
[1:53:55] And some of the other, the other venues that we've already featured at, so you've got a mix of things.
[1:54:02] It's like walking down Broadway in Nashville where there's just, there's dozens of opportunities to listen to music.
[1:54:07] And it could be that headliner that's at the Mass of Arena and that could also be, you know, that next big thing that's coming up in one of our local establishments.
[1:54:14] Well, I'm all for this and I don't mind the city manager's administration and, you know, with you and his team picking the committee.
[1:54:23] but with city council guidance and and I'd like to see if we can you know make this
[1:54:31] something more than a bunch of folks from going to get to our around a campfire okay
[1:54:36] I mean we've got we'll pin creak amphitheater it sets largely empty we're going to have a massive
[1:54:41] economic impact and a quality of life impact from Parker McCullough coming into town
[1:54:47] that loves to amp this up and make it just what you said what we can make it become.
[1:54:55] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I miss her all. This is really exciting. This is really exciting.
[1:55:01] But I wanted to reinforce what Ms. Conna said specifically about two different organizations,
[1:55:11] our tourist board and now our music board being appointed by city staff, I disagree.
[1:55:18] someone who headed up for convention and visitor's bureaus around the country our city council
[1:55:24] always appointed my board and I would ask if anybody of this council has any idea what our tourism board is doing
[1:55:34] no that's not right and I think as we go into this next venture with the with the Texas music certification
[1:55:43] We need to know what's going on, and I think those appointments should go through the city council because this is what we do.
[1:55:52] And so I am just going to encourage city management to think about what are they doing because we don't know what's going on.
[1:56:01] And that's not right. Thank you.
[1:56:03] I'm just a millennia.
[1:56:06] Yeah, I couldn't be happy about this.
[1:56:09] I remember when Tom Brime was city manager,
[1:56:12] and he was a musician, he loved music,
[1:56:14] and we had North by Northgate festival.
[1:56:17] I mean, born in thousands and thousands of people.
[1:56:20] We had Willie Nelson, Jerry Jeff Work,
[1:56:22] all these people done at Wolf Pan Creek every single summer.
[1:56:25] It was packed all the time, it was fantastic.
[1:56:28] And as the father-in-law of the drummer and bass player
[1:56:31] for the southern backtones located in Houston, Texas.
[1:56:34] I know that we want them to have a lot of work.
[1:56:39] So, and the thing about who to put on there,
[1:56:43] musicians are just a different kind of animal.
[1:56:46] They get together and they're gonna know who they want to work
[1:56:49] with, who should be working, who you should bring
[1:56:51] into your group.
[1:56:52] That's why you have jams.
[1:56:54] I mean, they just get together and they get after it.
[1:56:58] So if anyone knows a musician that you'd like to have on there, tell the city manager, but
[1:57:05] the musicians will be the ones telling you who they think they should be able to bring in
[1:57:09] here.
[1:57:09] And I agree with my colleagues here, man, we need to, we need to get worth paying
[1:57:14] quick rock and again.
[1:57:15] We need to get back with the amps and stop playing.
[1:57:20] So I'm all support and think about hiring this other in back times, but you do a concern
[1:57:24] out there.
[1:57:25] I'm just I'm just after I'm off the council I'm just just I'm excited about this to very
[1:57:34] support if I have been having live music to see locally is something that will just improve
[1:57:41] the quality of life in our town.
[1:57:46] I'm also very excited I went to the medium march I think the
[1:57:51] best thing about this is that it just opens the door for resources that connects us with other places
[1:57:55] and it makes it easier for artists to come here
[1:57:57] or not necessarily guaranteed, obviously.
[1:57:59] But it just shows that we're ready and willing
[1:58:01] to reinvide culture, back to the conversation
[1:58:03] that I feel like existed when I was growing up,
[1:58:05] and then went away.
[1:58:06] So I'm excited.
[1:58:08] Let me just point to your three comments.
[1:58:10] Mr. President, check us understand it.
[1:58:13] I think you got a lot of support for applying
[1:58:15] for the certification.
[1:58:16] You've got to have an advisory committee
[1:58:18] in order to check the box and do it,
[1:58:20] and we absolutely want an engaged group
[1:58:22] to guide and direct this.
[1:58:24] is that the first statement? Sure. Okay, so we've got to check that box. So we need an advisory committee and I think it's a great thing to do.
[1:58:32] I would respectfully disagree with a couple of my colleagues about needing to have this council appoint
[1:58:40] all committees in particularly a committee that's really an advisory committee like this.
[1:58:45] I think it gives it more flexibility, it can be a more responsive committee if it's not tied to some superstructure of our internal advisory committees and the ones that we've been referred to here.
[1:59:08] I just think it makes sense and I would say also if we're not informed about what the tourism
[1:59:14] advisory committee is doing, then we better ask the city manager to bring a report
[1:59:18] to us periodically and find out what they're doing.
[1:59:22] I think we get feedback on budget recommendations and so forth, so I don't feel that
[1:59:27] I'm that far outside the loop, but if we're not getting that, we're no further way than to
[1:59:33] ask the city manager to report to us on what they're doing.
[1:59:37] So, and I frankly think that this is something that the city manager, or his design
[1:59:43] could be the chairman of, not necessarily always a city manager, I don't know how he's
[1:59:49] going to structure that, structure that, but I have faith that it'll be more nimble and
[1:59:54] more flexible and more responsive at that level than it would be if it was a council committee
[1:59:59] but that's...
[2:00:00] Just my view of how we should separate different kinds of committees. I understand this, our well would like to respond to my comments.
[2:00:08] Very briefly, I respectfully disagree. Thank you.
[2:00:12] Very good. You and I would respectfully disagree. That's good.
[2:00:16] So, with that, you need a motion on this.
[2:00:21] Just establish. Yes, sir.
[2:00:23] to read the motion what you want here you want a motion to do what a motion to approve
[2:00:29] the resolution to create the text. There we go yes I'll do I do I have a motion to approve
[2:00:36] that miss Harwell second from Mr. Wright all of the favor I see us yes yes if you'd like
[2:00:42] speak of. Yeah I just want I just would like a clarification if we vote for this and we're voting
[2:00:47] for it being appointed by the city manager it does not have to be on this it does not have
[2:00:53] to be a public meeting that people can attend, and right, that's what I think there's
[2:00:59] no other side of it.
[2:00:59] That's what I believe is why I was created in the Resolution Correct.
[2:01:02] So that's how we would be setting it up if we adopt this resolution.
[2:01:08] If that doesn't work, we can change it down the road, but that's the motion.
[2:01:13] Well, it doesn't preclude us some requiring to have reports come to us from this.
[2:01:18] Oh, no, no.
[2:01:19] I would hope not, of course.
[2:01:20] And nor does it preclude anyone making recommendations to sit and staff about people that they like to have on it.
[2:01:27] It does not in, in Comber that committee to do the kinds of things that that have been mentioned here.
[2:01:34] But I think that's not, not something that I think we need to in Comber this committee with.
[2:01:42] So let's proceed with the voting if I don't see anything more on that.
[2:01:46] All those in favor say aye and raise your hand.
[2:01:48] aye. Opposed. Motion carries six to one. Thank you.
[2:01:58] Okay. Next item. Public hearing,
[2:02:02] presentation, discussion, possible action on an ordinance vacating and abandoning 0.058
[2:02:09] acre portion of right away. Terminal located between LOTS 5 6 and 7, a block one of southeast
[2:02:17] College Park subdivision, also known as 802 Dexter Drive, Mr. Parker Matthews.
[2:02:25] Good evening, Councilmember Sparker Matthews, Staff Engineer with Planning and Development.
[2:02:36] We might be doing this well, slides.
[2:02:39] 802 was not loaded.
[2:02:43] 902 was not loaded.
[2:02:46] Okay, it's all right, we have no slides, I guess.
[2:02:48] I'm sorry, what's problem?
[2:02:51] Powerpoint 9 points.
[2:02:53] wasn't loaded on, so you don't have a PowerPoint.
[2:02:56] We'll carry on.
[2:02:58] Montenice agenda is a customer of men and men in the city right of way.
[2:03:02] Ken, can we can we get it loaded?
[2:03:07] I then go to 9.3 and come back to 9.2.
[2:03:12] As it been sent, I'll maybe break.
[2:03:20] Yeah, I think we'd like to see the presentation.
[2:03:23] I think I've got it.
[2:03:28] Okay, we're going to take a five minute break while he gets his presentation.
[2:03:32] It's time to have a break anyway.
[2:03:35] So we are in recess for five minutes.
[2:03:57] 9.2, which is public hearing, presentation, discussion,
[2:04:03] possible action on an ordinance vacating and abandoning a 0.58 acre portion of right away.
[2:04:10] generally located between lots 5, 6 and 7 of the block one of the South East College Park Subdivision also known as 802 Dexter Drive and Mr. Parker Matthews will present.
[2:04:23] Good evening council members, Parker Matthews, Staff Engineer at Planning and Development.
[2:04:28] On tonight's agenda is a request for abandonment of city right-of-way. This abandonment is being requested by the applicant to remediate a discrepancy between lot lines and ownership lines.
[2:04:37] The original orientation of this property included a 15-foot alley.
[2:04:42] However, the plot does not reflect the currently developed condition of the property.
[2:04:48] This discrepancy was identified as the replat of the area came in for review.
[2:04:54] The purpose of this abandonment is to remove the existing city right away from the already developed lot.
[2:04:59] No utilities or sea infrastructure is within the area to be abandoned.
[2:05:03] I have available for any questions if you have any.
[2:05:06] So, as I understand, discrepancy was they filed it with a county, but not the city.
[2:05:10] I believe so.
[2:05:13] Way back when?
[2:05:14] Way back when.
[2:05:15] So that is a legacy, legacy issue.
[2:05:17] And somebody built a house and nobody knew till now.
[2:05:20] It's a cleanup operation.
[2:05:21] Thank you.
[2:05:23] Questions?
[2:05:27] Yes, Mr. Mooney?
[2:05:28] I don't have a question so much.
[2:05:29] I said, this is in 55.
[2:05:31] So the reason why that alleyway was there.
[2:05:33] But that was in the past.
[2:05:34] We had a lot of trash pick up behind our houses, and that's why that alleyway was there.
[2:05:39] So all we're doing is, so we no longer do that, we have nothing else in there.
[2:05:43] There's no water sewer and no gas, so yeah,
[2:05:50] what a mess, thank you.
[2:05:53] Any other questions? Okay, this is a public hearing.
[2:05:58] Is anyone assigned to speak? I'll open the public hearing. No one has signed up to speak on this item.
[2:06:05] I will close the public hearing and move to the Willow Council, move to approve Mayor Nichols.
[2:06:10] Motion by Mr. Nancy, second by Mr. Harrel, to approve this proposal. All those in favor say aye.
[2:06:19] Aye.
[2:06:20] Opposed.
[2:06:20] Motion carries unanimously.
[2:06:22] Thank you, Mr. Matthews.
[2:06:23] Appreciate you bringing it to us.
[2:06:27] And our engineer could leave as well.
[2:06:30] I won't go too far, Mr. Armstrong.
[2:06:35] We got another interesting little one, little later on.
[2:06:39] Okay, 9.3 presentation discussion,
[2:06:43] possible action regarding an ordinance
[2:06:45] amending, appendix A, a unified
[2:06:47] development ordinance, article 4,
[2:06:50] zoning districts section 4.2,
[2:06:52] official zoning map of the code of
[2:06:54] ordinance of city,
[2:06:54] documentation, taxes.
[2:06:56] By changing the zoning district boundary
[2:06:58] from GS General Suburban to PDD Plan Development District for approximately 2.799 acres located
[2:07:05] at 1115 Anderson Street, generally located at the intersection of Anderson Street and
[2:07:11] climate street east of Hollmann Drive, Mr. Gabriel Schrum.
[2:07:16] Good evening Mayor and council members, Gabriel Schrum, planning and development services.
[2:07:21] Visivians request is to reason 1115 Anderson Street in approximately 2.8 acre undeveloped
[2:07:27] lot located at Anderson Street across from Climit Court.
[2:07:31] The land with enclosed proximity to this property
[2:07:33] include multifamily developments to the north and west,
[2:07:36] single-family residential, to the south
[2:07:38] across Anderson Street and duplexes to the east.
[2:07:43] This property's conference of land use
[2:07:44] is urban residential, and is stated in the conference of plan
[2:07:47] that urban residential areas are appropriate
[2:07:49] for a range of high density, multifamily,
[2:07:52] and attached residential developments.
[2:07:54] In various forms including town homes,
[2:07:56] apartment buildings, mixed use buildings, and limited non-residential uses that are compatible with this
[2:08:02] surrounding area. This slide shows the existing zoning of General Suburban and the
[2:08:07] proposed zoning of PDD with a based, a multifamily zoning with modifications that I'll speak
[2:08:12] to you more in a moment. I did want to provide a bit of clear clarification of this intended use
[2:08:18] on the property, a limited potential will be providing housing and a number of resources to help
[2:08:23] individuals who are in or aged out of the foster system and looked at transition into adulthood.
[2:08:28] This will be through a number of different ways other than just housing, but I believe
[2:08:32] the applicant can speak to the specifics of that attended use if you guys would like to.
[2:08:36] This slide shows the concept plan for the unlimited potential development,
[2:08:40] but some of the approximate building areas, parking areas, and green areas.
[2:08:44] The proposed concept plan will increase the landscaping and streetscaping amount by 30% more than
[2:08:50] is required.
[2:08:52] The applicant is asking for the following modifications of this proposed PDD.
[2:08:57] The first modification is reduction to the minimum number of dual units per acre,
[2:09:02] from 12 dual units per acre to 3 based on section 5.2 of the UDO.
[2:09:08] The second modification is reduction to the parking ratio, from a required one space per
[2:09:12] bedroom for multi-family developments, to one parking space for the first bedroom and a half
[2:09:17] space for each additional bedroom based on section 7.38 of the Unified Development
[2:09:22] Ordnance.
[2:09:24] The applicant will be providing community benefit of an additional 2 points per street
[2:09:28] scalping segment length along Anderson Street, which will change that points required from
[2:09:32] 6 to 8 points per linear feet of frontage.
[2:09:36] They also provide additional 10 points per 1,000 square feet of disturb area for the site's
[2:09:40] landscaping points, which will change that required amount from 30 points to 40 points per
[2:09:45] that 1,000 square feet of disturbed side area.
[2:09:48] This would be the equivalent of adding 16 total trees,
[2:09:51] that would be eight trees for the streetscaping,
[2:09:53] and then eight trees for the landscaping.
[2:09:56] In conclusion, I received no context,
[2:09:58] no context concerning this proposal.
[2:10:00] Staff recommends approval of this rezoning
[2:10:02] and proposed concept plan
[2:10:04] as it is aligned with the comprehensive plan
[2:10:06] and is entitled to the proposed use.
[2:10:08] This item was heard at the October 5th
[2:10:10] planning and zoning meeting
[2:10:11] where they recommended approval 50.
[2:10:14] with that. I'll conclude my presentation. I'm available for any questions as is the applicant.
[2:10:19] I'm Israel.
[2:10:21] Thank you for that presentation. I noticed on the side it says abandonment.
[2:10:28] What is yours is public hearing slash abandonment? What is that about?
[2:10:33] Yes, ma'am. I can actually let the engineer speak to that.
[2:10:38] Gillian settler-point development services, so that abandonment in the top-left corner that is set to
[2:10:46] go before you for public hearing and ultimate final action on November 9th.
[2:10:52] Quick preview, that is the where the overhead electrical lines that previously served the building that
[2:11:01] didn't just no longer on the lot. So that was demolished with the lot, the pullers are moved and it
[2:11:06] determined that this proposed use would be best served underground.
[2:11:14] Thank you very much. Ms. Guuna. Yes, I just would like, I'm just curious, since this is a PDD,
[2:11:23] if at some point they sold the property with those modifications,
[2:11:26] revert back to the original 12 and original parking requirements.
[2:11:30] So it run with the property? The PDD runs with the property?
[2:11:33] Yes, ma'am. So we would be permanently reducing the density on a lot that's
[2:11:38] than two miles of the university?
[2:11:40] Unless it would be resound to something else, yes.
[2:11:42] Thank you.
[2:11:46] Any other questions?
[2:11:47] Anyone wish to hear from the applicant or not?
[2:11:53] Is the applicant here wish Mr. Schultz do you want to say?
[2:11:57] Do you have a question for him or just need to run over something
[2:12:04] brief
[2:12:05] introduction as to Schultz behind?
[2:12:10] Just here to answer any questions, you know, 12 units per acre, there's no way this organization is going to put 36 units on the ground or 35 units on the ground.
[2:12:21] We've got room to add more parking, so I mean it likely could change hands down the road, but now it's trying to get to momentum gets first three units on there and help this organization move along.
[2:12:33] That answer questions.
[2:12:36] Mr. Harrell has some questions.
[2:12:37] So when you said this organization, can you be a little bit more specific?
[2:12:41] Unlimited potential owns this property and they're doing the development of it.
[2:12:47] This flag is back there.
[2:12:48] That actually represents the organization.
[2:12:51] When you turn 18, you can no longer live in a foster home.
[2:12:54] So there's numerous adults in this community that have no home, no car.
[2:12:59] And they need a place to stay in place to get educated
[2:13:01] and to get all kinds of help, the Elm limit,
[2:13:06] Tensil Bloom, they're office here also.
[2:13:14] So you can fly past President of Unlimited Potential.
[2:13:18] Ted Randall, current president of Elm Limited Potential.
[2:13:21] Thank you for being here.
[2:13:22] I know you presented to us more financial conceptual stage
[2:13:27] much earlier, and this is the current proposal
[2:13:30] that's being presented to us correct for this purpose.
[2:13:35] I would like to say that we own the property outright, when we talked to you last, we still had to pay off alone, and that's been done.
[2:13:45] And the city paid for the, the for the, reimbursed you for the demolition of existing building last year.
[2:13:53] Yeah.
[2:13:55] Now, okay, Mr. Rale.
[2:13:56] I know you made several presentations to us.
[2:13:59] The first one was specifically for those young people, 18 years old, that were terming
[2:14:06] a, I mean, you know, they were graduating from high school, and had nowhere to go.
[2:14:10] Then the next time you presented to us, it was, it was 23 years old plus kids.
[2:14:17] So what is your mark?
[2:14:19] These are kids, has nothing to do with their schooling.
[2:14:22] It has to do with the fact that they are aging out of the foster system at the age of 18.
[2:14:28] We work with them from the age of 18 up to the time that they turn 26.
[2:14:34] That's been our bylaws the whole time.
[2:14:38] That is never changed.
[2:14:43] Any other questions?
[2:14:45] Mr. Morning.
[2:14:47] Jack, when you talk about work with him, you're talking about counseling, you're talking
[2:14:50] about mentoring them, you're talking about being able to budget, how to work, how to work
[2:14:56] at a job and learning job skills as well, is that not right?
[2:15:00] Yes, and housing. And of course, housing, yeah.
[2:15:03] But we've also worked with them. A lot of the kids come without any paperwork whatsoever, no social security.
[2:15:10] Some have immigration issues, some have legal issues. And we deal with them with that. We've got a lawyer in town who's helping us pro bono with a lot of that work.
[2:15:22] And we also got a grant from the Texas State Bar Association.
[2:15:28] You're doing the things that children that are raised by parents that are at home, normally take care of and so it's a very important job that you're doing.
[2:15:36] Beyond that with the legal issues.
[2:15:38] Yeah, of course.
[2:15:40] Well, some of us as parents have had that too, so.
[2:15:44] Mr. Nancy.
[2:15:45] Thank you, Mayor Nichols.
[2:15:46] Ma'am, the budget's pretty tied on this project, is it not?
[2:15:50] Yes, we do not have all the money yet.
[2:15:53] Could I address Joe real quick?
[2:15:58] Joe, thanks for your work on this project.
[2:16:00] And the event that this rezoning passes tonight, your order of battle, what's next?
[2:16:06] Would you be applying for the permit?
[2:16:08] We have done the abandonment.
[2:16:11] We have a plat.
[2:16:12] This property was never plat.
[2:16:13] So we have a plat that's almost approved.
[2:16:16] We'll get it filed because you need that to get the site plan approved and the building permit.
[2:16:20] We've been, we were working on phase one, which is three buildings in the parking and the utilities to make those three buildings.
[2:16:29] And they're more waiting on me than I am waiting on them.
[2:16:31] So are you parking and the building permit fees coming up pretty soon?
[2:16:39] A process?
[2:16:41] Yes, we've, they've paid the flat fees, the rezoning fee, the abandonment fees.
[2:16:45] We'll be turning the site plan fee and development permit fee.
[2:16:48] I'm building permit, I'm not we just she just text Jim Singleton today just kind of see where the building design was.
[2:16:57] And so I've deferred to the mayor for for this next question. I've been approached by a member of the board about the possibility.
[2:17:03] And parking and building permit fees being waived when Mayor Nichols would be an appropriate
[2:17:14] time for that subject to be wrote instead of the possibility of that happening.
[2:17:20] That's not part of this application, so I can't tell you that it would have to be something else,
[2:17:26] that it would have to be applied through staff and it would have to come back to us at
[2:17:32] other point, but we can't deal with tonight. It's not on the agenda.
[2:17:37] I thought that was the case. I just wanted to get it on the record. Thank you, Mayor
[2:17:41] Neckles.
[2:17:44] I would add that. I really, very much like this revised approach, because it is a phase
[2:17:51] approach. I understand having donated to lots of nonprofits, the difficulties of raising
[2:17:58] a bunch of capital to get the whole thing done once, and this makes a lot of sense to
[2:18:02] me to do it in phases.
[2:18:05] I certainly understand that it is changing density in this area, but it is an important
[2:18:12] non-profit center that I think city college station needs to support some of.
[2:18:19] We talked about that and debated a lot in the earlier application, so I certainly support it.
[2:18:27] I don't have any comments on anything that was raised by Mr. Nancy, but I'm certainly supportive of this.
[2:18:33] I see planning a zoning support of it as well. Any other questions?
[2:18:40] Seeing none. This is a public hearing.
[2:18:45] I will open a public hearing and no one has signed up to speak.
[2:18:49] We've heard from the applicant and we've heard from staff. I will close the public hearing and move to the
[2:18:59] Mr. Maloney, second. All those favors say aye.
[2:19:04] Opposed. Motion carries unanimously. If there's other issues that you want to bring to us, then that'd be a separate issue.
[2:19:12] Thank you. Okay. Moving on now, we've got an interesting group of motions of items.
[2:19:23] I'm going to introduce Mr. Ostrowski, who's going to lead us through this, but I will just give a little
[2:19:31] preface. I've got to read all of the statements here in a minute.
[2:19:37] We're going to open 9.4 through 9.7 except for 9.7E, which we're going to separate out.
[2:19:46] We will have a, as I understand it, one staff presentation and one public hearing.
[2:19:53] Mr. Ostowski, do you want me to read the captions for the four items that we're opening?
[2:19:59] You can read the, the based captions and then just indicate for the properties listed on the agenda.
[2:20:06] Item 9.4, public hearing presentation, discussion, possible action regarding the, an audience amending,
[2:20:11] Appendix A, UDO, Article 4 is owning district section 4.2 official zoning map of the
[2:20:19] code of ordinances of the city of Cali Station, Texas by changing the zoning district
[2:20:24] boundaries for a list of properties A through F, which are in the agenda.
[2:20:31] That's item 9.4.
[2:20:36] Item 9.5 is a public hearing presentation discussion, possible action regarding an ordinance
[2:20:42] demanding appendix A unified development ordinance section 6.3 types of use of the code
[2:20:50] of ordinances of the City College Station Texas for modifications to the shared housing
[2:20:55] use in the at middle housing MH zoning district item 9.6 public hearing presentation discussion
[2:21:04] in possible action regarding an ordinance amending appendix A unified development ordinance
[2:21:09] This is an article for zoning districts, section 4.2 official zoning map of the Code of
[2:21:14] Ordnance of the City College Station, Texas.
[2:21:17] By changing the zoning district boundaries as follows, and a list of properties A through
[2:21:24] K.
[2:21:29] Item 9.7,
[2:21:39] public hearing presentation discussion, possible action regarding an ordinance
[2:21:42] amending, appendix A, unified development ordinance, article for his own district section
[2:21:47] four point two officials on the map of the code of ordinance of city of
[2:21:51] college tuition taxes by changing the zoning district boundaries.
[2:21:56] Properties listed a through I except for E.
[2:22:05] Okay, so we open those items
[2:22:07] except for seven E. And I will open the floor to Mr. Austrowski to make
[2:22:15] the presentation for staff. All right. Thank you, Mayor. Good evening, Mayor.
[2:22:18] City Council, Michael Ostrowski, Director of Planning and Development Services.
[2:22:22] The item this evening or items this evening all relate to the city initiated process to
[2:22:28] resume several properties within the city from their base zone in classification to the
[2:22:34] middle housing zoning district and or a middle housing with a high occupancy overlay.
[2:22:41] In total there are 26 different areas up for consideration this evening.
[2:22:45] There's about 363 acres in this and about 1753 properties moving forward with this resounding request.
[2:22:55] Ultimately, this is the goal of this is to increase the housing supply within the community.
[2:23:00] We're seeing significant increase in population.
[2:23:03] And this is just one strategy to help achieve that vision and that goal to achieve that housing supply.
[2:23:09] This process started about a year ago when the city approved the middle housing zoning district, as well as created the shared housing use.
[2:23:16] From there, we had workshops with the city council.
[2:23:20] We created a working group to identify potential areas that may be appropriate for these rezoning.
[2:23:25] We did a number of public engagement efforts, and especially over the summer of this past year.
[2:23:30] We had a lot of media coverage on this.
[2:23:32] Based on the feedback that we had received over the summer, we made some modifications.
[2:23:37] We removed some areas, we modified some areas, made them smaller, but more importantly, we had a large modification
[2:23:43] and that we amended the ordinance to create what was called the high occupancy overlay, which would then allow us to
[2:23:49] remove shared housing, which is on here tonight.
[2:23:52] Fundamental housing zoning district, except where a high occupancy overlay is over the base,
[2:23:57] zoning on that.
[2:23:59] So we brought these properties and these initiatives before you back in August,
[2:24:04] I took that direction and then started the official zoning process with these four items, so item 9.4 is the rezoning of areas where at least one property within the area has already been zoned a middle housing.
[2:24:18] So you may recall we had a number of different privately initiated rezoning request in middle housing, so item 9.4 relates to areas that include those properties.
[2:24:29] item 9.5 is in order to remove shared housing from middle housing and then items 9.6 is a
[2:24:38] rezoning to rezoned properties from the group-based zoning district to middle housing with a high
[2:24:44] occupancy overlay and then items 9.7 are just the rezoning for properties to middle housing without the high occupancy
[2:24:51] So
[2:25:04] what I thought I did tonight is kind of work through these areas on the maps that you've seen previously through several of the engagement series.
[2:25:14] The workshops that we've been in before you.
[2:25:17] So I'll walk through the five different areas of consideration and kind of identify the properties up for rezoning.
[2:25:23] So on these maps, the any areas outlined in orange would be
[2:25:28] rezoning to just middle housing, any areas outlined in purple would be
[2:25:33] middle housing with the high occupancy overlay and then any areas outlined
[2:25:37] in pink are just moving to high occupancy overlay because the base zoning
[2:25:40] district that those properties currently have does allow for that high
[2:25:44] occupancy overlay and then as a request we got was to identify all the
[2:25:49] properties that are currently on the rental registration so all of the
[2:25:53] of all dots on these maps or properties that are currently
[2:25:55] rental registered properties.
[2:25:58] So with this particular map, you know,
[2:26:02] areas B1 and B2 are along Coonestreet.
[2:26:04] We've seen several privately initiated cases coming through there.
[2:26:08] Those would be areas that would be dedicated for, you know,
[2:26:11] housing with the high occupancy overlay area D.
[2:26:15] We have had one rezoning.
[2:26:16] This is the area by live oak and an ash street, kind of right off
[2:26:20] of the Texas and university drive corridors, which is also in the area for our recently adopted
[2:26:27] northeast gateway plan.
[2:26:29] Area D is a stretch along linking Avenue, then areas FGN-H, our areas along Dominic, kind
[2:26:37] of a single rural Dominic, and then area eyes is along University Oaks, all of these areas
[2:26:43] on this map are scheduled to be proposed to go to the middle housing zoning district with
[2:26:48] high occupancy overlay which would allow shared housing units within these particular properties.
[2:26:57] Matt number two, in this area you've had a mix of those.
[2:27:01] So area J is along a rural court.
[2:27:04] You may recall this entire area was taken through privately initiated request.
[2:27:10] All we're doing with that one is establishing the high occupancy overlay so that when we remove
[2:27:14] of housing for middle housing if that is approved tonight, that they still would be able to
[2:27:18] allow to have the shared housing units continue in that property areas, L and N are just
[2:27:25] slated to go to a middle housing zoning district. We did modify some areas for a directional
[2:27:30] on lemon tree, as we had some concerns with the infrastructure and comes to street infrastructure
[2:27:36] and being able to turn around our emergency and or sanitation trucks. So adding more density
[2:27:41] could have exacerbated that problem.
[2:27:44] Area M is along Pine Ridge.
[2:27:47] It's actually just adjacent to area that you move forward
[2:27:49] with the rezoning for unlimited potential.
[2:27:52] There's also some multi-family along in that area.
[2:27:55] And then jumping across Texas Avenue,
[2:27:58] areas PQRST, larger area, slated to go to both middle housing
[2:28:04] with the high occupancy overlay,
[2:28:06] same thing for area W and then stepping back for areas you and V as you get more towards the the outline area there is
[2:28:14] Just going to middle housing and then area X that is the item that we'll be discussing under 9.7 E
[2:28:24] That number three includes three different areas area Y and the south side area where we've seen a lot of
[2:28:31] the shared housing structures
[2:28:32] being built. That area is slated to go to middle housing with the high occupancy overlay
[2:28:38] on a survey area Z. A lot of the structures are already built to kind of that shared housing
[2:28:44] type use to go into both the middle housing with the high occupancy overlay and then swish
[2:28:50] and shallay courts area BB just having that area go to middle housing.
[2:28:59] Not number four includes three different areas and this is kind of south of Harvey Mitchell by Navarro, Sam Sabba,
[2:29:08] DD and FF all slated to go to just middle housing and not include the high occupancy overlay.
[2:29:15] This was an area that we did receive a lot of comments through the public engagement and concerns with the shared housing, which was one of the reasons why we did not move forward with shared housing in these locations.
[2:29:28] And then finally, area five, this is West of 2154, mainly around the barracks.
[2:29:37] The barracks development is a PDD, so it has its own kind of zoning classification.
[2:29:41] So we weren't moving forward with changing that, but all of these areas identified on
[2:29:46] the screen would be slated to go to middle housing with the high occupancy overlay.
[2:29:52] Staff had originally come forward with HH and IIS, just potentially middle housing,
[2:29:59] and
[2:29:59] haha
[2:30:00] Occupancy Overlay. Over those properties as a number of those units, do have some five-bedroom units in there, so we did move forward with those.
[2:30:12] So again, overall, 26 areas, legislative for resigning, 1753 lots, 363 acres, breaking it out with just middle housing. There's 146 acres, legislative for resigning with 623 lots, for middle housing and who?
[2:30:29] There's two hundred and seventeen acres and about 1100 and 30 lots.
[2:30:34] So with any rezoning, we go through the rezoning criteria and we've provided a rezoning
[2:30:38] criteria review of each one of these areas within your packet, but more general terms
[2:30:43] of go through them, whether the purpose is consistent with the comprehensive plan, the need
[2:30:48] for additional density within the community to address some of the housing shortages that
[2:30:53] we're seeing, the land use is appropriate for all of these properties in that their mixed residential
[2:30:59] So number two, whether the use is permitted and have either proposed zoning districts would be appropriate in the context of the surrounding area.
[2:31:05] As we looked at these, in which areas were going to middle housing and which areas were going to middle housing with the who.
[2:31:10] The context of the surrounding area was it was greatly considered with that in kind of which which others would be allowed to have shared housing which ones would not.
[2:31:18] Whether the property being resumed is physically suitable for the proposed rezoning, all of the lots within these areas would meet the minimum zoning classification requirements for middle housing.
[2:31:28] whether there's existing infrastructure or available infrastructure in these areas,
[2:31:32] all of them have available infrastructure.
[2:31:34] We look through through the comprehensive plan process,
[2:31:36] as well as when we look at the individual resounding request.
[2:31:40] And then finally, the marketability of the property,
[2:31:43] it is likely that the marketability of these properties will increase
[2:31:46] within the particular areas that we've identified.
[2:31:52] And then the second agenda I'm related to modifying the use table
[2:31:57] to remove shared housing from the middle housing zoning district and then only allow shared housing in middle housing zoning district when there is a high occupancy overlay.
[2:32:08] So it's a very small change there and adding kind of a subscript for D permitted only when there is a high occupancy overlay established within that area.
[2:32:19] So these items we're taking to planning its own commission on October 5th.
[2:32:26] The commission did recommend 5-0 of all of the items staff is also recommending approval
[2:32:31] of all of them.
[2:32:32] Be happy to answer any questions.
[2:32:37] Time for council to ask any questions if something new is popped up here or you have a question
[2:32:42] about any of these items.
[2:32:44] Ms. Harwell?
[2:32:47] that's a lot of houses in it. You know what sadly not once if I heard
[2:32:54] city staff say what can we do? We were talking about housing shortage talking
[2:33:01] about single family homes and families not once if I seen a concern about that
[2:33:08] population everything is about the student winners and I think that's that's
[2:33:16] important.
[2:33:19] I struggle with the fact that we are taking these neighborhoods. I understand
[2:33:25] that I get them familiar with it. But not once, as the city said, what can we do to protect
[2:33:32] those homes, those neighborhoods for our families, for our working families, for whatever.
[2:33:39] And I just think that's, I think we've lost sight. Do you have a question? What are the
[2:33:43] question about. I have a question related that because I think she makes a good point.
[2:33:50] Last time we created a new committee, correct?
[2:33:55] Yeah, you created a housing committee to look at doing a housing study with
[2:34:00] in the city. Housing action plan, which is part of the purpose of that, is
[2:34:05] to address incentives that could be used to address some of the concerns
[2:34:10] of Ms. Harrell's raising, I mean, that would be one of the potential outcomes correct.
[2:34:15] That's one of them, and I will note, city staff have promoted things to help with
[2:34:21] Naperhood integrity.
[2:34:23] One of the main premises for starting middle housing was to create additional housing opportunities
[2:34:29] for low-moderate income individuals or families who don't have a lot of income in that
[2:34:35] by creating the middle housing zoning district was not intended just for rentals.
[2:34:39] the intent of the middle housing zone and district was to create smaller
[2:34:42] lot sizes increased density so that would help hopefully drive down the cost of
[2:34:47] some of that development. I mean I'd drive it down to hard affordable levels but
[2:34:51] it would be the intent was to try to drive down some of that cost by creating
[2:34:55] additional land opportunities where the land price could be help be addressed. The
[2:35:00] other thing that this does is by creating some of the other areas for the high
[2:35:09] the pressure off of the existing single family neighborhoods.
[2:35:12] And what we've seen over the past decade and a half
[2:35:15] is a lot more has been creeping into the neighborhoods.
[2:35:18] And turning on our occupied structures to rentals
[2:35:20] because there is a need for additional density
[2:35:22] and an infurgical housing.
[2:35:24] And this does provide and help address some of those concerns
[2:35:28] where you start seeing that neighborhood creep.
[2:35:30] So it identifies particular areas where the density could increase.
[2:35:34] And as we look at this and kind of like what we can expect,
[2:35:36] what is modifying or rezoning about 1753 properties. We're estimating anywhere from about
[2:35:45] 4,000 to 8,000 additional population could fit within these areas over time. As these
[2:35:50] areas either redevelop or as they add additional individuals within their structures,
[2:35:56] these areas could absorb about 4,000 to 8,000 individuals over time.
[2:36:04] Other questions, Mr. Volone, we'll start at your end and work this way.
[2:36:08] Okay. Thank you Michael.
[2:36:09] This is a chance to ask questions or stay off.
[2:36:13] Thank you.
[2:36:13] Yeah, I'm going to try to keep us on target.
[2:36:17] All right. Stay on target of the leader. Listen.
[2:36:23] Michael, do I get this right?
[2:36:24] The middle housing and who high occupancy overlay has 1753 properties.
[2:36:32] Although the property is before you tonight,
[2:36:33] Yeah, it's quite to $1,700 and $1,553.
[2:36:38] And so, did you say it was $1,046 acres for middle housing?
[2:36:42] $623.
[2:36:43] So, I get that right.
[2:36:43] That's correct.
[2:36:44] So, the area is just going middle housing.
[2:36:46] It was $1,046 acres, $623.
[2:36:49] And just to also identify, kind of, this is about 1%
[2:36:53] of the land area within college session.
[2:36:56] But the $1,0153 acres is 1%.
[2:37:00] the total 363 acres is about 1%
[2:37:04] 1% to 2% of the land area in College Station.
[2:37:09] And the middle housing and who was that 232 acres?
[2:37:12] I mean, that's 270 acres.
[2:37:14] So it's 113 acres, 1130 lots.
[2:37:20] So I think the intent here, and you can correct me
[2:37:25] wrong, all right, is that by providing higher density in some areas, we can have other areas
[2:37:34] that have low density and it's more affordable housing, it's no longer attractive to the
[2:37:39] rental investors. Is that right? Because how many, how many houses do we have in a rule that
[2:37:45] restrict it occupancy overlay? So we've got about 146 properties that are subject to the requirements.
[2:37:51] Okay, so 146 where we're we're we're we're limiting occupancy and then 1753 properties where we're just opening it up
[2:38:03] And so I think the argument that there's not affordable housing as we was pointed out earlier is it isn't really holding up against against this
[2:38:14] this change in policy here that would that I hope will initiate.
[2:38:19] Appreciate your work.
[2:38:23] Mr. Nancy.
[2:38:24] Thank you, Mayor Nichols.
[2:38:26] Mr. Strausky, does this, as far as you know, constitute the largest one-time land use change in the city of
[2:38:38] station's history. I would venture to guess that it is probably the largest in terms of lots of
[2:38:43] an acreage. Take me to your criteria slide for a second if you would. So, criterion four,
[2:38:53] I'm not an engineer. Let me back up. Where do these criteria emanate from?
[2:39:00] So, these criteria come whether it's from state statute or whether it's the criteria that we set
[2:39:06] through our unified development ordinance.
[2:39:09] Okay, there's no state law around this.
[2:39:12] This is our own.
[2:39:15] So these criteria come from our UDO,
[2:39:18] however, the rest state law that governs
[2:39:20] resounding the properties.
[2:39:22] Mr. Falco, can you speak to it?
[2:39:24] Yeah, these criteria originate in the local government code
[2:39:27] backed up by case on our UDO reflects
[2:39:30] the same criteria for resownings.
[2:39:33] Okay, thank you for me the first most important strategic question is I am not an engineer and so I have to rely upon
[2:39:45] staff professionals planners and engineers to tell me
[2:39:50] What are this to be approved this largest land use change in our history?
[2:39:55] Is there, indeed, available water, wastewater, storm water, and transportation facilities
[2:40:01] generally suitable, inadequate for uses permitted by the proposed zoning district?
[2:40:06] Yes or no?
[2:40:07] Yes.
[2:40:10] Thank you.
[2:40:11] On marketability of the property,
[2:40:16] what did we intend by that?
[2:40:17] Did we intend marketability of the property to be the properties of value?
[2:40:23] It's dollar value for that to be enhanced because it's not very marketable.
[2:40:30] If you've got to say you've got an owner out there, an old school owner who believes in the local
[2:40:36] person, believes in having a relationship with their tenant.
[2:40:39] They've had the tenant in there forever, close friends, mutually beneficial relationship.
[2:40:46] And they're not interested in building shared housing on their property.
[2:40:52] they want it to remain a single family residential rental for a working class or family
[2:41:00] or retired couple doesn't the marketability of the property if it becomes high occupancy
[2:41:07] overlay isn't it damaged from that owner's perspective?
[2:41:13] So the marketability of the property can mean several different things but primarily it's
[2:41:18] whether or not uses within that area are successful,
[2:41:22] based off of our long range planning effort.
[2:41:26] And just because the property, let's say,
[2:41:28] would be resowned to middle housing with a high
[2:41:31] occupancy overlay, doesn't prohibit from the property owner
[2:41:34] from using the property exactly like it is today.
[2:41:38] Middle housing doesn't prohibit single family detached
[2:41:41] structures, in fact, it enhances that by creating
[2:41:44] additional opportunities for that.
[2:41:46] It creates smaller lot sizes for those uses to exist.
[2:41:50] So I don't think by resowning these properties that it hurts the
[2:41:55] marketability of the property.
[2:41:57] I think it helps it by creating additional opportunities within this area.
[2:42:00] And one of the things that we've seen from a value perspective and the
[2:42:04] arguments that we've heard that these shared housing units are changing the
[2:42:09] market in terms of property values, especially for the properties around it.
[2:42:15] One of the things that by rezoning these properties,
[2:42:18] two middle housing, by identifying them as a high occupancy overlay
[2:42:21] district, is that there's a distinguishing feature between the properties now.
[2:42:25] So right now, we've seen a lot of properties developed in general suburban that may have been
[2:42:30] traditional stuffed dorms or eggshacks.
[2:42:32] However, that is limited to no more than four.
[2:42:36] By changing the zoning designation and by us creating that shared housing use,
[2:42:41] We've not prohibited all of those uses within General Suburban.
[2:42:46] So by adding the zoning classification,
[2:42:49] including a place for them to go,
[2:42:51] it helps change the zoning classification
[2:42:53] in terms of the value of the property.
[2:42:57] Thank you very much, sir.
[2:42:58] Thank you, Mayor Nichols.
[2:43:00] Thank you, sir.
[2:43:01] Let's go down.
[2:43:03] Thank you so much for the work that you've done on this.
[2:43:07] Could you just cover briefly what all you could choose
[2:43:11] if you are zone, middle housing,
[2:43:14] like, quickly define the quick.
[2:43:15] Absolutely.
[2:43:16] So middle housing allows for flexibility
[2:43:18] product types anywhere from single family,
[2:43:21] duplex, triplex, quadplex,
[2:43:24] and then you can have small and medium multi-plexes,
[2:43:27] which range from five units in a structure to up to 12.
[2:43:31] And then also you can have what's called
[2:43:33] live work units where the proprietor would live above,
[2:43:36] and then you'd have a small commercial shop below.
[2:43:39] So each of those different housing types or structure types require different lot sizes in requirement.
[2:43:47] So if you have a, let's say, a medium multiplex, you're going to need several lots in order to construct that multiplex.
[2:43:54] Whereas you're probably going to get, you know, in terms of a unit count, the same number of single family units that would have been constructed there.
[2:44:04] Sorry about any questions.
[2:44:06] Mr. Wright?
[2:44:10] Mr. Smith?
[2:44:11] A question.
[2:44:13] Okay, if a property owner has, there's a development that is currently zone duplex.
[2:44:22] And if you resound it to middle housing, because of the lot size and the configuration,
[2:44:31] the duplicates is really the only thing.
[2:44:34] Are we basically resigning it to middle housing
[2:44:36] in order to encourage redevelopment?
[2:44:41] So, in certain areas, you could have the redevelopment,
[2:44:45] but in several of these areas,
[2:44:48] they may stay with the existing structure.
[2:44:50] So, the lot size that they have may not be too far different
[2:44:54] where they could get them additional.
[2:44:55] So, the existing structure may remain.
[2:44:58] And the way that we look...
[2:45:00] What did these areas where how the land use is where identified with in our conference applying?
[2:45:04] So when we looked at the area in general, we didn't want to resound just a few lots that could be
[2:45:09] redeveloped. You look at a larger area for the overall resounding.
[2:45:12] Okay, I guess it just leaves me wondering, why would we resound this from Duplex to middle housing if they
[2:45:20] aren't going to redevelop it and it's going to stay a Duplex?
[2:45:23] And it could redevelop over time. It may not redevelop tomorrow, but there is a possibility that
[2:45:28] probably could redevelop over time.
[2:45:34] More questions along those lines, I think there's always the reason for creating the
[2:45:40] who I occupies the overlay and not having that cover all of the middle housing areas
[2:45:46] was because of some concerns about shared housing being imposed in lots of areas.
[2:45:54] Take the example, Mr. Smith just raised, somebody has a duplex or the duplexes on the street.
[2:46:01] you're not suggesting an overnight redevelopment of those,
[2:46:09] is there any way a duplex could apply to be shared housing?
[2:46:14] If they would be located in a who yes they could apply to be shared housing.
[2:46:18] And what would they have to demonstrate to the administrator?
[2:46:21] So, shared housing is a use that allows for more than four unrelated.
[2:46:25] So, I'm looking at their bedroom counts, their parking requirements.
[2:46:28] All of that would have to be met for that particular use.
[2:46:30] So the parking requirements are part of that and the bedroom size and shape and all of that sort
[2:46:37] of thing is part of that.
[2:46:38] Right.
[2:46:38] So when we look at that parking requirements for shared housing are more stringent than
[2:46:43] your typical just residential, we require a parking space, one parking space for every room
[2:46:48] that is 70 square feet or larger or could be used as a bedroom and then our building
[2:46:52] code will govern the bedroom sizes.
[2:46:55] So anything that is, you know, a bedroom needs to be at least 70 square feet, and then each additional
[2:47:00] document would have to have a certain square footage about that.
[2:47:03] And adding, uh, adding, uh, impervious surface to add parking spaces would be limited by the,
[2:47:11] the, uh, impervious surface surface requirements we have, correct?
[2:47:15] That's correct.
[2:47:15] So they'd have to meet that part of the impervious, that is all I've done to play.
[2:47:19] Okay.
[2:47:19] Thank you.
[2:47:21] Mr. Mooney has one more question.
[2:47:23] Just one more question. I have a neighbor and they own a property in one of the areas going to be rezoned to middle housing it will not
[2:47:32] It does not force them to change the use of their property correct. It's just going to stay the way it is that can keep renting it the way they rented it
[2:47:39] But if if somewhere in the future if they wanted to they could tear it down or perhaps change it to some other use within the middle housing
[2:47:48] Restrictions correct. That's correct. Okay, but it doesn't force them to do anything
[2:47:52] and that could just leave it the way it is.
[2:47:53] Everything stays the same.
[2:47:55] That is correct.
[2:47:55] All right, thank you.
[2:47:57] Thank you.
[2:47:57] We do have 12 people who have signed up.
[2:48:01] If we've done with the questions,
[2:48:03] I'm going to move on with the public hearing.
[2:48:07] And I will go through the list as it was presented to me.
[2:48:13] I've opened the public hearing.
[2:48:15] Ms. Diana Wood.
[2:48:17] You're the first one in the list.
[2:48:21] And that'll be followed by Dr. Blanche Burke.
[2:48:30] Hi, everybody.
[2:48:31] Diana Wood, live in Southwood Valley.
[2:48:35] I'm also president of the College Station Association of Neighborhoods.
[2:48:39] One ask that we have tonight is individual voting on these areas.
[2:48:44] I don't know if that's something you can ask for, but there's some areas.
[2:48:47] You just know what he's protesting because it middle housing with a who makes sense.
[2:48:53] Okay, Mr. Yansie, we sat here, we had the conversation, you're like, it makes, and there are some areas that makes complete sense.
[2:48:59] I'm here tonight to talk about a personal issue, which is the area of Welsh Avenue and Navarro,
[2:49:07] and because I raised my sons and I had a duplex on San Mario.
[2:49:12] We picked to live there because I was a single mom and it was affordable rent.
[2:49:18] It was three bedroom, two bath for under $800 a month.
[2:49:22] Now I know those a few years ago.
[2:49:24] But that culture of that area along Welsh and Navarro is unique.
[2:49:30] It's not over, and I don't want to say there's no students because there's lots of students.
[2:49:34] They walk to the high school.
[2:49:36] They walk to the elementary schools in the area and we live there specifically so our kids
[2:49:41] can walk. If you by removing this and it's not going to be overnight, but there's unintended consequences.
[2:49:49] And I think that one of the things you need to do tonight is please put the brakes on,
[2:49:54] at least for some areas. I'm on the Housing Committee. Please give us a chance to look to do
[2:50:00] some deep study and find out what's going on in these sensitive areas that provide affordable housing
[2:50:06] for families. You said yourselves, what can we do for families? Give us a second to figure
[2:50:12] out these very sensitive areas that are right there and they're supposed to be a mixing
[2:50:17] pot and that's what makes it amazing. There's college students, high school students, little kids,
[2:50:22] tricycles in the front yard and football science in front of the duplexes. This is a special area.
[2:50:28] Please do not let them take away the the chance because there's some great landlords there.
[2:50:35] There are, and there's some other ones, and I'm very, there's some third or not, but I'm very, very
[2:50:41] concerned that the creep of the seek for profit over people is going to seep into the sensitive
[2:50:48] critical area for college station. So, because, like you said, buy up a couple of lots, tear it down,
[2:50:57] And you go up to 12 units that a family can't rent.
[2:51:03] So thank you, please vote individually on these.
[2:51:08] Thank you.
[2:51:09] Thank you, Ms. Wood, Dr. Burke.
[2:51:16] We followed by Katie Perkins.
[2:51:20] Good evening, Council.
[2:51:23] Thank you for continuing to work on this.
[2:51:25] I'm Blanch Brick.
[2:51:27] Live in Boxfire.
[2:51:28] Boxfire to have College Station.
[2:51:31] I'm here tonight as I said to thank you for continuing to work on this, this has been a long
[2:51:36] standing issue. I also want to thank the College Station Association of Neighborhoods. When I
[2:51:43] served on the council from 2011 to 2017, there was no organization like C.C.N. It was very difficult
[2:51:51] to support neighborhood integrity because each group had to come before the council asking for meaningful
[2:51:58] protection for their neighborhoods and on too many occasions their requests follow in deaf ears.
[2:52:04] Doing that time I worked as a member of the Council to develop better options for enforcement
[2:52:09] of the codes for single family housing areas and propose the city develop a multi-residence zoning
[2:52:17] district. Many years later after much hard work by the city staff many citizens of college
[2:52:24] station and other council members.
[2:52:28] We have seen in the current the creation of a metal housing zoning district and a shared
[2:52:35] housing.
[2:52:36] While I support the creation of these districts, they weren't exactly what I had envisioned
[2:52:41] to begin with, but that's where we are today.
[2:52:45] I do not support all of the areas the council is now being asked to resume.
[2:52:51] I do, however, support the proposals and recommendations that CSAN has provided the Council.
[2:53:00] CSAN volunteers have provided a vital service to our community by researching the issues
[2:53:06] that come before the Council and offering thoughtful advice on the pros and cons of these issues
[2:53:12] as they reflect the character of our community and the sustainability of the neighborhoods.
[2:53:18] I hope you have looked at their proposals and will consider following their advice in regard
[2:53:25] to the President agenda items for zoning districts under the new middle housing and share
[2:53:32] housing proposals.
[2:53:35] And I also hope you'll remember the great advice given us by that wonderful political philosopher
[2:53:40] Her doctor's is in the law racks,
[2:53:44] which was that all big ring is not always bettering
[2:53:49] the quality of life in our community.
[2:53:52] Thank you very much.
[2:53:54] All right, here's our keburke.
[2:53:56] Katie Perkins.
[2:54:05] Hi, my name is Katie Perkins.
[2:54:06] I live in the South of Valley area.
[2:54:09] Please, please, you need to get the mic closer to your mouth.
[2:54:12] Okay.
[2:54:13] And speak directly into it.
[2:54:15] Okay.
[2:54:17] So, I submitted a written comment online for tonight's meeting and I hope everyone received a copy of it and has
[2:54:22] chance to read through it since I will not have enough time right now to address everything that was in that document.
[2:54:28] What I will talk about is my experience leading up to me being here in front of you tonight.
[2:54:32] On September 23rd, my husband and I received a notice in the mail with information about the October 5th
[2:54:37] planning and Zoting Commission public hearing as well as tonight's city council public hearing in regards to the proposed
[2:54:47] of this rezoning. And I presented the impression that the planning and zoning meeting on October 5th
[2:54:52] was more of an informational meeting for property owners to ask questions and learn more about
[2:54:56] the potential rezoning. Once Michael Ostrowski started his presentation the meeting I immediately
[2:55:01] became aware of the fact that it was not an informational meeting, but rather a meeting to vote
[2:55:06] on these properties up for the rezoning. As I sat listening to Mr. Ostrowski's presentation
[2:55:11] And his repeated reference to notices going out for the June 2023 planning meetings, I became
[2:55:18] more and more upset at this false statement.
[2:55:21] And as it turns out, there were several other property owners affected from various proposed
[2:55:26] resound areas who spoke at the October 5th meeting each making the same statement that notices
[2:55:32] for the June planning meetings were not provided to us.
[2:55:36] Well, it didn't matter how many of us mentioned this.
[2:55:38] the planning and zoning commission approved all 26 areas up for rezoning in a grand total
[2:55:42] of three votes, 1700 different properties, three votes.
[2:55:47] After the October 5th meeting, I decided to do some research and discovered that the formal
[2:55:51] petition written signed by property owners may be submitted in opposition to the rezoned area,
[2:55:57] according to Section 211.016D of the Texas Local Government Code.
[2:56:03] I proceeded to walk my neighborhood and collect signatures for this petition each neighbor that
[2:56:07] spoke with said they did not receive notices of the planning meetings in June.
[2:56:12] And we all felt completely blindsided by the notice received in late September.
[2:56:18] I called City Hall on October 11th and inquiring about how I could submit the sign
[2:56:21] petition.
[2:56:22] Two days later, I received a phone call from Mr. Astrosky, informing me that after looking
[2:56:27] into records and regards the notices for the June 2020 planning meetings that was discovered
[2:56:33] And that some property owners were not provided these notifications.
[2:56:37] Therefore, the area up for rezoning on airline drive is no longer up for a vote at tonight's meeting as originally intended.
[2:56:43] There will then be two informational meetings in November to allow property owners to ask questions and provide input.
[2:56:48] We are thankful for this opportunity to be included.
[2:56:51] I was hopeful that the other property owners who spoke at the October 5 meeting would be provided the same opportunity, but they were not.
[2:56:59] I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
[2:57:01] You're finished?
[2:57:03] I had just a couple more sentences.
[2:57:05] Okay.
[2:57:05] Thank you.
[2:57:07] If you have another minute, go ahead.
[2:57:09] Okay.
[2:57:10] What I put before you tonight is a request or proposal to not vote on these properties
[2:57:14] that for rezoning.
[2:57:15] Instead, pause this decision, provide the property owners the opportunity to participate
[2:57:19] in informational meetings like what was supposed to have happened in June.
[2:57:23] Please do what is right by the citizens of this community.
[2:57:25] Thank you.
[2:57:26] Thank you.
[2:57:28] Mr. Rodger.
[2:57:29] Mayor.
[2:57:29] Can I ask Michael to address this specifically because I would come back to it later, but if
[2:57:36] Please go right ahead. Absolutely. So the meetings that we held in June were the information on meetings where we wanted to provide an opportunity to
[2:57:45] Allow individuals know what was going on with this process both property owners within the areas being affected by the rezoning and then also property owners within
[2:57:53] to 100 feet. These are not legally required meetings, but I've gone through city initiated
[2:57:58] a rezoning before, and I think that's been the best process to go through, because
[2:58:01] you don't want to come to a meeting in an ultimately end up having hundreds of people
[2:58:05] to show up. So the process that we went through in June were three public information
[2:58:09] on meetings, and we sent out notices to all of the properties affected, and then all of
[2:58:14] the property owners within 200 feet of those properties. Area GG, there were some property
[2:58:20] owners within the 200-foot boundary that were missed.
[2:58:23] Ms. Perkins did indicate that at the PNZ meeting,
[2:58:28] we did review documents that area was missed.
[2:58:31] Three other individuals indicated the same thing
[2:58:34] at the PNZ meeting.
[2:58:35] We looked through the documents, our records indicate
[2:58:37] that they did get provided a notice back in May for that.
[2:58:41] So this evening, we have pulled area GG
[2:58:44] to allow us to have additional opportunities
[2:58:46] to do public engagement for area GG.
[2:58:48] That was the only area that, according to our records, were missed.
[2:58:53] The legal notices for the PNZ meeting on October 5th, and this evening, all popular owners
[2:58:59] have received those legal notices.
[2:59:01] They were sent by U.S. Postal Service.
[2:59:04] They were.
[2:59:04] First class.
[2:59:05] Yes.
[2:59:06] Thank you.
[2:59:08] I've heard from a lot of people that they did receive them.
[2:59:12] Okay.
[2:59:13] I was going to bring that out later, but I thank you for their amendment.
[2:59:17] Who's calling me mayor?
[2:59:20] Can I ask, does the young lady who just spoke live in GG?
[2:59:25] She lives in 200 feet of the properties in question in GG.
[2:59:29] So that area is not a for consideration.
[2:59:32] It is not.
[2:59:33] It goes not.
[2:59:34] Thank you.
[2:59:36] And the other clarification needed.
[2:59:39] Thank you for that.
[2:59:40] Mr. Lewis, you're up next and then be followed by Luke Morrison.
[2:59:48] Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council.
[2:59:53] I just have to say I'm a little bit rattled because it's kind of breathtaking doing this
[2:59:59] many properties.
[3:00:00] One vote. I think that the breaks need to be tapped. I'm one of those people who insist that I have one property that is within the 200 feet. No notice for the summer meetings.
[3:00:13] I have another property within that. No notice. Mr. Austrowsky was kind enough to call me and he said my name and address her on the mailing list.
[3:00:24] Sorry, we did not receive those, and at the PNZ meeting there were, when he said that,
[3:00:29] there were heads shaking all over the room.
[3:00:32] Did not receive.
[3:00:33] So I don't know what happened, all I can say is, I did not get notices for summer meetings
[3:00:38] or I would have provided input then.
[3:00:41] I mean, you better would, I want to point out that the two, or a specific concern to me,
[3:00:48] One is lesser, and that is, it's an adjoining, okay, and it is in, well, it's area I on these things, and basically our house is on hardwood.
[3:01:01] It backs up to houses that are on university, okay?
[3:01:05] So when this area was plated and sewn initially, you go from high, high density,
[3:01:13] The survey has as apartments, whatever, to do Plex Buffer to single family.
[3:01:20] Now what's being proposed is stripping out the Buffer.
[3:01:24] I think that's a break of faith by the city for the people in the single family area.
[3:01:30] I don't think it should be done.
[3:01:33] The one that bothers me the most is the one where we actually own a house on a hollick,
[3:01:38] very close to Anderson.
[3:01:42] And we've had good tenants there, students.
[3:01:46] One of the reasons that this really gets me, and I think that I love how I've heard
[3:01:50] tonight about enforcement, because I'm the guy who's been renting to students and
[3:01:55] known students in these areas.
[3:01:57] I'm not a large, deep pocket investor.
[3:01:59] I'm a small local guy, I've been picking up a house here at house there.
[3:02:02] We're down to three.
[3:02:04] We had more, but you know what happened?
[3:02:05] The real box is came in, and the property taxes went through the roof, where instead of taking 25% of our gross rents that started taking 40% of our gross rents to pay the property tax, because the appraisal district, that's an unintended effect by the Council, I believe.
[3:02:24] The, the appraisal district says, well, this property sold for this much, they wiped
[3:02:32] the house.
[3:02:33] So that means they really bought the land.
[3:02:35] And so now your property is worth that much, plus your house.
[3:02:39] That's what they do.
[3:02:40] And they do not bend to arguments about it because they call it a comparable.
[3:02:45] So anyway, I think there's going to be a huge unintended consequence, like what you were
[3:02:50] wondering about there, I believe, Mr. Mooney.
[3:02:54] And there are people like me that don't have the money to tear down and build a massive rebuild a lot of it.
[3:03:01] Thank you, Mr.
[3:03:02] Thank you, Mr. Lewis.
[3:03:03] I look Morrison.
[3:03:05] You followed by Ben Crocker.
[3:03:12] How do you, I just, so I think there may have been a bit of a bit of a misunderstanding.
[3:03:14] We have several students here, and I think our intent was to speak as a group.
[3:03:18] If you're with the, if you're a student at Texas A&M, would you please stand?
[3:03:23] Would that be something that's possible?
[3:03:24] I've got, I've got six more people, I've got, and there are all names around the list.
[3:03:31] Those are the ones that are in the speak.
[3:03:33] Yes, sir.
[3:03:33] You, Mr. Brenn Crockett, Mr. Andrew Applewhite, William Sullivan, Christian Rivers, Jackson
[3:03:39] Steel, Audrey Stone, and Karine Kagan.
[3:03:44] That is about five, seven, or eight people will have three times three minutes for
[3:03:50] each.
[3:03:50] And I believe we could save you some time if we could just do four of those individuals as
[3:03:54] group and with the ten minutes, would you prefer to do it that you want ten minutes and
[3:04:01] four people going to speak within the ten minutes?
[3:04:03] Yes sir.
[3:04:04] That's fine to me.
[3:04:05] And nobody else in that group are going to speak.
[3:04:07] I believe the last name on the list is not with us, but Mr. Kagan is not.
[3:04:11] So you're talking, tell me you want to speak.
[3:04:14] Look, Morrison, Ben Croquet, Andrew Applewhite, William Sullivan.
[3:04:20] So me, Ben Croquet, Andrew Applewhite, and then Corbyn Armstrong.
[3:04:24] Luke Morrison.
[3:04:25] If you have to come forward.
[3:04:26] Andrew Apple White.
[3:04:27] Who?
[3:04:28] Corporate Armstrong.
[3:04:30] That the names will not be speaking.
[3:04:32] I'm sorry.
[3:04:34] Who?
[3:04:35] Corbin Armstrong.
[3:04:36] Corbin's not on my list.
[3:04:40] I'm sorry.
[3:04:40] I'm going to use the names that are on the list.
[3:04:42] Yes, sir.
[3:04:43] And I've got Luke Morrison.
[3:04:44] Done Caraca Apple.
[3:04:45] You said you and Andrew Apple White, right?
[3:04:48] It'd been Caraca.
[3:04:49] And then Caraca, that's three.
[3:04:50] Who else?
[3:04:53] I think the intent was for Caraca.
[3:04:54] there's William Solving Kristen Rivers Jackson steel and Audrey Stone with you. Are that part of the student group?
[3:05:02] Yes, there was part of our intent to go. Okay, there's just here. Okay, you got three people are gonna take 10 minutes. Go ahead ahead.
[3:05:12] All right. I think I'll speak to you momentarily about something that didn't speak first. That's all right.
[3:05:19] You have a presentation to present or not.
[3:05:22] That's it.
[3:05:26] Howdy.
[3:05:26] Thank you very much for having us this evening.
[3:05:33] What I think we all wanted to say to y'all is that we support any effort by the city
[3:05:39] to provide areas with a diverse range of housing options and housing products, not just
[3:05:46] for students, but for all of the colonization presidents.
[3:05:51] In particular, we want to support any time that you all want to expand occupancy, but not just for students, but for all residents.
[3:06:02] And one of the main reasons why we're here today is because recently about 1,600 students signed a petition,
[3:06:09] asking to have places in the city to have expanded occupancy in their homes.
[3:06:17] And so, I know that this is, in some cases, been framed as a resident student issue, I don't really think that we see it that way and I know that a lot of the speakers have been good and pushed back against that framing, I'm from college station of a lit here for two decades, that makes me a resident, I voted here, that makes me a voter, I'm also part of a family here and so I've always lived in neighborhoods and I think that students also want to live in neighborhoods.
[3:06:46] but whether or not they're in any of those other categories.
[3:06:51] And so we would like to encourage y'all to approve this this evening and continue to provide
[3:07:01] a diverse range of housing options to students but also all residents and incentivize
[3:07:06] the future construction of these sorts of housing products.
[3:07:10] Thank you.
[3:07:12] Thank you Mr. Carke.
[3:07:13] I wanted to add to that.
[3:07:14] So middle housing and hockey policy overlays, that's the thing that we're looking at on the
[3:07:18] agenda tonight.
[3:07:20] And middle housing and hockey policy overlays can provide many of the options, the diverse
[3:07:25] options that students are needing.
[3:07:27] There is an incredibly high rental housing burden in the city of college station and frankly
[3:07:33] there's not enough affordable options for students.
[3:07:35] Middle housing and hockey policy overlays can meet this need.
[3:07:38] Just middle housing can be a long-term solution,
[3:07:41] but given June 24 deadline of no more than four
[3:07:45] proactive enforcement, middle housing and high
[3:07:48] capacity overlays are necessary.
[3:07:50] I become concerned that I feel like the areas
[3:07:53] have been increasingly widdled down.
[3:07:55] We're students can affordably live with more than four
[3:07:58] individuals, whether that be bunk beds, sharing a room.
[3:08:01] And so my encouragement this evening would just
[3:08:03] be to confirm all of the areas and look for more areas
[3:08:07] that meet the need that students can live affordably.
[3:08:13] Mr. Applewhite.
[3:08:16] Howdy, I'm Andrew Applewhite and as many of y'all know, I'm the CBI present here at A&M.
[3:08:22] I have the honor of representing about 78,000 students.
[3:08:28] Just as importantly, about 56,000 of those live in off-campus housing here in your community,
[3:08:34] here in our community.
[3:08:36] I'm here to speak for the overwhelming majority of their students, the rule, not the exception.
[3:08:44] Some of what you have heard to not, has been the latter, but what I'm here to tell you is we are the Aggies, the Aggies are we.
[3:08:52] We hold ourselves to six core values, respect, excellence, leadership, loyalty, integrity, and self-asservice.
[3:09:02] We want to be your neighbors. We don't want to break the law. We want to serve this community
[3:09:08] and we want to live within the law and thrive in this community. Within this, I humbly request
[3:09:15] that you prove as much mental housing as possible, letting these students who are currently living
[3:09:21] and housing built for students and letting them live within the law for this.
[3:09:28] We're asking not that you've not enforced public nuisance laws because, like I said, we want
[3:09:35] these enforce so that we can hold Aggies accountable in being good citizens and being good
[3:09:41] residents in this community.
[3:09:44] What we hear to ask you is to support Aggies and being able to afford housing.
[3:09:49] Minimizing the supply any more than it all is, well, as demand stays the same or even increases,
[3:09:56] This will only cause the price to rise.
[3:10:02] Not only for students who want to live in more than four, long with more than four unrelated,
[3:10:09] but for any student looking for reasonable rent prices.
[3:10:14] Once again, I'm going to ask one request.
[3:10:21] Councilman Melonley coded Star Wars and so I'm going to do the same.
[3:10:26] Do or do not, there is no trial.
[3:10:30] So this is what I'm going to ask you.
[3:10:32] I'm going to ask you to do.
[3:10:33] Please approve as much middle housing as possible to help Aggies live within their means
[3:10:38] and live within the law.
[3:10:40] Thank y'all so much.
[3:10:42] Thank you, Mr. Applewood.
[3:10:48] Okay.
[3:10:49] Um, that brings me to the, oh, I'm sorry, Mr.
[3:10:53] Karim Kagan was not part of that group, is he here?
[3:10:56] She here?
[3:10:57] He, he, he came over and said he, he decided he was not going to speak.
[3:11:01] He will not be speaking.
[3:11:02] Okay, thank you.
[3:11:05] Okay, well, that, uh, that closes all of the, uh,
[3:11:08] completes all of the people that it signed up to speak.
[3:11:11] Um, I will, therefore, oh, we have written comments from a haily morr that is at your table
[3:11:18] is in support of the middle housing. Therefore I'm going to close the public hearing and we're
[3:11:28] going to proceed to have a discussion of 9.4 and the 9.5 and 9.6 and then 9.7 except for E and I would
[3:11:42] ask Mr. Ostrowski if he has any further comments. Staff is in support of this as I understand
[3:11:47] Do you have any further comments you wish to make?
[3:11:52] Just a couple of clarifying comments here too.
[3:11:57] Just want to note that from a land area perspective,
[3:12:00] the area is going just to middle housing,
[3:12:02] represent less than 1.5% of the land in the city of College Station.
[3:12:07] The area is going to middle housing,
[3:12:09] and who are just over 1.5% of the land area here.
[3:12:14] I know comments were made about concerns regarding property values, middle housing, with the
[3:12:21] identification of shared housing, I think can help some of those property values within
[3:12:25] traditional single family districts, because it differentiates the use.
[3:12:31] We had a comment before where a person would buy a home, tear down the structure and pay a lot
[3:12:36] just for the land, since you can't do shared housing, and you couldn't do it before but they
[3:12:41] being built. Since you can't do shared housing in general suburban or other single family's
[3:12:46] own areas, you're likely going to see less of that. However, you do need to provide a place
[3:12:51] where these structures or in these uses to go to add some additional density. This helps
[3:12:57] with that. This is the first phase of that effort. All of the land that is before you tonight
[3:13:02] has been identified in the compliant to serve as the next residential. The middle housing
[3:13:06] is a buffer. It is a buffer between neighborhood conservation and general suburban to some
[3:13:12] of the higher other intense zoning districts, including multi-family commercial. So this does
[3:13:17] do that and I think it meets all of the criteria that we set up to do. This has been a very
[3:13:22] public process that we've gone through. We've had a committee help establish to identify some of
[3:13:27] these areas and you're talking about a year to go through that and I think we've been very diligent
[3:13:32] and going through that and identifying the specific areas that would be appropriate for this.
[3:13:37] Can you remind us what the council directed you to do and when we did the original direction?
[3:13:45] Sure, so when we adopted the middle housing zoning district and when we created a definition for shared housing council directed staff to formulate a group and identify areas for potential rezoning to move forward that was a request by several individuals who had concern.
[3:14:05] And one we created a definition of shared housing.
[3:14:08] Staff did do that, created the committee, looked in an identified areas.
[3:14:12] Those areas were then brought back to council for the direction, council gave that direction.
[3:14:18] We went out for public comment, received a number of public comments, modified those
[3:14:23] areas, modified the UDO to address the high occupancy overlay, brought that back to council
[3:14:30] in August with the particular areas that were identified both for middle housing and middle
[3:14:35] housing with a who took that recommendation or a direction from council and then has now
[3:14:40] gone through the former rezoning process.
[3:14:42] And in August did we not remove some areas?
[3:14:45] In August we did remove areas.
[3:14:47] Some of them at your recommendation I think in a couple of cases maybe we asked to have them
[3:14:53] taken out or I think you gave us an option.
[3:14:55] That is correct.
[3:14:58] Okay, a question, Mr.
[3:15:00] I think I'm closing the public hearing. So we're now out to the questions for the council. Miss Harrell.
[3:15:08] So two weeks ago we appointed a 13 member housing committee. What is their role? Obviously, nothing to do with middle or shared housing, or why did we do that?
[3:15:22] So, the intent there was to look at options in how we can create some more affordable products within the community.
[3:15:32] I think a larger role would be to look at kind of the fees that we charge, incentives that we can offer to create and get some additional housing within the community.
[3:15:43] But also adding housing supply helps address that concern.
[3:15:46] I would like to make a recommendation they probably haven't even met yet that we postpone any kind of about until the housing committee has a chance to review this.
[3:16:02] Basically what you're saying is the same thing. You've already got one set of housing you're setting aside. Now you're saying maybe look for some other.
[3:16:10] Let's, why did we appoint these people?
[3:16:13] Let's give them the opportunity to look at these.
[3:16:17] I have to, it's pretty overwhelming when you look at your graphs
[3:16:20] and see all these little shiny dots.
[3:16:23] I had to say it means nothing to me to sit in there looking at it
[3:16:26] unless I want to go drive around the city.
[3:16:28] So I think we should postpone voting on anything,
[3:16:31] especially as a group of options.
[3:16:37] Let's get our housing committee to this.
[3:16:38] Why are we appointed?
[3:16:40] Could you explain the difference between what we're doing here and what that is not a step-by-step phase by phase consideration?
[3:16:51] So the middle housing zoning that are before you tonight really come from our comprehensive plan that we adopted in 2021,
[3:17:00] on, which not only established mixed residential
[3:17:04] as a use to provide these transition areas,
[3:17:06] to provide these areas that can see an increase in density,
[3:17:12] but not to the level of multi-family.
[3:17:15] Also within our components of plan,
[3:17:16] we identified creating a middle housing zoning district.
[3:17:19] That was one of the actions that comes out of that.
[3:17:23] So we've done both of those.
[3:17:25] We then also had a committee review the areas in that committee
[3:17:30] was made up of, you know, from a developer standpoint,
[3:17:33] had an MREP on it, had neighborhood reps on it
[3:17:36] to look at each one of these particular areas
[3:17:38] and kind of look on the street by street
[3:17:41] to identify the areas to take for consideration,
[3:17:44] recognizing that there's a need for additional density.
[3:17:47] The housing action committee is going to be looking,
[3:17:50] yes, at housing supply, but they're going to be looking
[3:17:53] at other components in terms of affordability,
[3:17:56] but we do need additional areas for density right now.
[3:17:59] So we did have a committee already that it worked. Yes, we did.
[3:18:04] diligently early in this middle housing phase. So there's been a citizen committee that got us this far.
[3:18:09] So we had a seven member committee three neighborhood reps, three development community real estate reps and one rep from A&M.
[3:18:18] Thank you. Other questions, Mr. Wright?
[3:18:23] Not so much a question, but you said something very important earlier, because it is effectively
[3:18:30] what we initially set out to do, which was to stop the building of stealth dorms in single
[3:18:38] family neighborhoods, and that is what we have effectively done, and I don't want to lose sight
[3:18:43] of that as we talk about this, that we have outlawed them, and places where they are not middle
[3:18:48] housing or with a who that is correct. So we have not issued a single permit for those types
[3:18:54] of structures within any areas in the family. And that was a decade long fight that we
[3:19:00] actually accomplished over a year long middle housing committee and get us to this point
[3:19:05] here. And I would say we'd on average issue about 40 to 50 permits for those types of structures
[3:19:10] every year.
[3:19:15] Mr. Smith, let's go now.
[3:19:21] Could you clarify for us if the area is owned just from middle housing, like the area around
[3:19:26] Navarro, can an Agashack be built if it's just middle housing?
[3:19:31] Looking at it.
[3:19:32] Thank you.
[3:19:36] Mr. Hansen?
[3:19:37] Yes sir, Mr. Strausky, which letter designation on the map is the area of Welsh and Navarro?
[3:19:45] It may be, can you pop the mats or the press and test place, BDD and FF, are the areas
[3:19:51] be south of Harvey Mitchell?
[3:19:53] Say those letters one more time.
[3:19:55] It'd be a map for, and all of the areas a map for are in the General Sumeria.
[3:20:00] DDD and FF.
[3:20:03] All of the areas on map for.
[3:20:06] All of the areas a map for are in the Navarro area correct.
[3:20:13] So Navarro is right in the middle between DDD and E.
[3:20:17] and
[3:20:22] this is middle housing only. There's no high occupancy overlay here. This is middle
[3:20:27] housing only and as we went through the public engagement in June when middle housing
[3:20:33] did include shared housing as a permitted use. One of the most local areas was this area
[3:20:38] because of that concern. So that was one of the main reasons why we removed shared housing
[3:20:43] from middle housing in only allowed in areas that would be designated for high occupancy.
[3:20:47] So in this area, you could not have a shared housing risk.
[3:20:51] So I think I know the answer to this,
[3:20:53] but for the folks back home, our bosses,
[3:20:56] what can go into never to include more than four,
[3:21:04] What all can go in, give me some housing types
[3:21:06] that can go into DDE and FF on that four.
[3:21:12] So the permitted housing types in middle housing,
[3:21:14] which could go into these areas,
[3:21:16] would be anything from a single family, a duplex, a triplex, anything up to a medium
[3:21:23] multiplex, which can be five to 12 units within a single structure. However, when you
[3:21:28] have some of those larger units, you need to assemble enough land area in order to do
[3:21:34] that. So ultimately, the density is fairly similar when you have some of these smaller
[3:21:39] lots and go families compared to let's say a medium or smaller medium multiplex what about
[3:21:45] the area of hollock what's the what's the letter designator on hollock
[3:21:55] so hollock I believe
[3:21:57] that was over here in l it's the same thing with middle housing only
[3:22:13] thank you more can we go back to
[3:22:18] not for a place.
[3:22:22] If I'm not mistaken, this is the steeple chase subdivision that was
[3:22:28] plated in 1998. And there were small houses there, basically built for rental units for
[3:22:38] most part.
[3:22:42] So that's been going on 25 years, I guess. Yeah, 25 years. So it would take an
[3:22:52] invested to come in there and buy quite a few of those lots in order to be able to increase
[3:22:57] the density in there if you wanted to under the middle housing to be able to do a small
[3:23:02] 12 unit complex, right?
[3:23:06] If they wanted to do a smaller medium multiplex, yeah, they have to require several lots.
[3:23:12] What I see happening more with middle housing, just middle housing, it's an incremental
[3:23:17] approach, right?
[3:23:18] You're going to have a lot that may be as coaches, let's say if a structure is on there,
[3:23:23] it's torn down, maybe it's created then two lots, all right?
[3:23:26] So you kind of double the density in that instance.
[3:23:30] I don't see this being, you know, tomorrow we're going to have a whole bunch of redevelopment in
[3:23:35] these areas.
[3:23:36] It is going to take decades for that to occur.
[3:23:39] Now in the areas that would have a who associated with it, because of the profit margin
[3:23:44] And with shirt housing, you probably will see a faster
[3:23:47] redevelopment of those areas.
[3:23:50] But in the areas with just middle housing,
[3:23:52] it will be a long time before a lot
[3:23:54] of those even transition.
[3:23:56] It just wouldn't make financial sense for an
[3:23:58] invested to do that when it has the options
[3:24:00] with the shared housing areas in the middle
[3:24:02] and the high occupancy areas.
[3:24:06] So I remember that was the first subdivision I worked
[3:24:08] on as a planning zoning commission with James
[3:24:11] massing and this and Carl Mooney. How many more rounds of city initiated
[3:24:19] rezoning are we looking at? So we looked at two different phases. The first phases were
[3:24:26] the properties that were easily too to identify in terms of moving forward where let's
[3:24:33] say they didn't have floodplain on it. They were already plated or surveyed. The next phase
[3:24:38] is a smaller phase moving forward, but those are the properties that we'll have to do some
[3:24:43] surveying work.
[3:24:44] You've proved an SLA to hire a surveyer to look at those properties, but this is a majority
[3:24:49] of them for city initiated.
[3:24:52] One of the concerns that we had heard when we heard some of the private side coming in
[3:24:58] is that Council Head Indicated and PNZ had indicated that they wanted to see larger areas
[3:25:02] coming in so they can kind of look holistically at that and not seeing a single, you know,
[3:25:07] to individual lots coming in but to answer your question it's it's probably less and
[3:25:11] half of what we're seeing here. Less than half remains in terms of the areas
[3:25:16] and it'll come to us in how many rounds. Those will probably come to you more
[3:25:21] individually and make sure there's probably six to seven additional areas to move
[3:25:27] forward so those will come to you in smaller batches. And just because if it goes
[3:25:32] middle housing tonight. Let's say that this area is approved. In some investor gets the idea that they're going to buy
[3:25:39] four adjacent lots and they're going to put a 12 unit
[3:25:43] complex, right?
[3:25:46] That is a whole separate
[3:25:49] permitting process. The folks around will be given notice and opportunity or no and opportunity to weigh in.
[3:25:58] So, by resuming the property, those product types are allowed by right, so if they met the zoning requirements, they met the lot size, they met the parking, they met the landscaping.
[3:26:08] Those would be permitted by right and they could go ahead without further approval.
[3:26:13] So it's it's resowned and there's no putting out of the sign, there's no.
[3:26:18] It's just like any other permitted use that would be allowed in their district.
[3:26:22] And one of the things as we created the middle housing zoning district was to look at certain design standards, let's say, for the larger type structures and other specific requirements, so with those structures, it's a common point of entry, trying to make it look more like a single type development, it's got extra buffering standards, there's height protection standards, especially on the periphery of these these areas, so we have built those standards in, but the intent with the middle housing zoning district.
[3:26:53] was to create an opportunity to have these to be built by right where you didn't have to bring them back every single time.
[3:26:59] You know, if you have a potential project that was looking at doing, you know, a senior family, but then wanted to switch to due practices.
[3:27:05] Right now, you'd have to bring that back for a rezoning or vice versa. This allows you to build whatever those are permitted products are allowed with a middle housing.
[3:27:12] In the middle housing is unique in that there's so many different structured types that are approved within the zone. Is that a fair statement?
[3:27:20] That is correct. And there's no protocol. We establish no protocol when we're going to go single
[3:27:27] family, doplex, quadplex, 12 unit, single family, single family. There's no protocol by which
[3:27:39] that can go back to the residents. Once it's done, it's done.
[3:27:44] So, once it's rezoned any product type that is allowed and permitted by right can be built,
[3:27:48] The protocol and the requirements are set by the zoning district standards.
[3:27:57] Thank you.
[3:27:58] And I would argue too that, you know, this has, you know, while you don't see it, maybe in this instance,
[3:28:03] and maybe you do.
[3:28:05] You've got a number of due practices about a single family.
[3:28:08] I mean, throughout areas of the community, if you look within neighborhoods kind of the
[3:28:12] changing of different product types, they're there.
[3:28:15] But they've always been there for a very long time and it's very subtle.
[3:28:18] So the goal is to kind of get there as well as create additional density within these particular areas.
[3:28:26] One question, do we anticipate any green field middle housing developments?
[3:28:37] They can.
[3:28:39] They have not identified any with this particular phase.
[3:28:42] And we have very little larger green field properties left.
[3:28:49] There's a larger property on Graham Road.
[3:28:52] There's a few others.
[3:28:54] But when we look at where those properties are,
[3:28:57] we also need to keep in mind kind of what the future
[3:29:00] of land use designation of those properties are.
[3:29:02] And some of those green field developments
[3:29:04] are either commercial or there are a zone rural
[3:29:07] or there are zone some other classification
[3:29:10] or future land use that's some other classification
[3:29:12] that would not allow middle housing currently.
[3:29:16] But it could happen.
[3:29:17] Yes.
[3:29:20] Mr. Moana.
[3:29:22] Just a little historical perspective here. Back in 1998, when this was just past
[3:29:27] your land, and this subdivision plan came before the planning zone commission. We had
[3:29:37] residents from Clovis Court as tech court, O'Lero Court, Cortez Court, Durango Court,
[3:29:44] and metal brick court and oak brick court, just raise cane about how you're ruining
[3:29:51] our neighborhood and you're ruining our quality of life and things are falling apart
[3:29:55] when you build this.
[3:30:00] We went ahead and required single-family homes to butt up to the green space between the courts.
[3:30:10] And it went through and families are living there.
[3:30:13] And now 25 years later, we're seeing that the needs of the community are changing, and this area is more suited for the middle housing classification.
[3:30:30] And as my colleagues were pointing out, none of this is going to change with any kind of
[3:30:35] repeat it.
[3:30:35] It's not going to happen very quickly, but it's just that once it's zoned this way,
[3:30:40] we know that this area is legally allowed to build within the confines and the requirements
[3:30:50] of middle housing, but the areas surrounding it, they're protected from being changed.
[3:30:59] So, you're doing what the students have been asking us to do and what our neighbors have been doing.
[3:31:04] It's fine areas where we can protect the single family homes and still be able to provide multi-family housing in certain segments of the community.
[3:31:17] It's a great, great area for it.
[3:31:22] I do want to quickly mention this is not just a student housing initiative.
[3:31:27] middle housing is intended to provide a more affordable product, more home ownership
[3:31:34] opportunities. You know what we've seen here through the middle housing and the
[3:31:39] creation of that district one of the unique things about it is that each one
[3:31:43] of these structures needs to be on an individually plated lot. So that helps with
[3:31:48] some of the home ownership opportunities. Yeah.
[3:31:53] Any other questions or comments? Let me just
[3:31:56] to try to provide a little bit of my perspective, at least, Ms.
[3:32:04] Vincent earlier talked about the stages of the processes we're going through and we've
[3:32:12] engaged with the community staff, the University, with respect to a host of different pieces
[3:32:21] of this puzzle that we're trying to move forward several of the citizens talked about.
[3:32:26] what comes next, middle housing is one of those areas that we are committed to dealing with.
[3:32:35] And I think we have had a pretty thorough process,
[3:32:44] the concern about middle housing
[3:32:46] and what kind of products could be permitted in that was debated long and hard by previous
[3:32:54] council and I think at that time we understood that eventually properties might be re-organized
[3:33:06] in certain ways that would allow some of those even cutting.
[3:33:09] We talked a lot about cottage developments that you could do in here but you got to have
[3:33:13] a lot of land and you got to have green space and you got to have a lot of amenity attachments
[3:33:17] to it. And I understand that there might still be some second guessing of that, but yet
[3:33:29] we have committed to a zoning category called middle housing, and we have defined it. And
[3:33:37] we now have to put it in operation, and that's really where it always gets to be the problem
[3:33:43] because we're the last ones to have to make the final decisions on these things.
[3:33:52] I will say that the state legislature this last year didn't pass it, but there was quite
[3:33:57] a bit of momentum to really change land use patterns and cities to make them very dense or
[3:34:07] make great opportunities and make them very dense, at the TML Convention, there was a whole
[3:34:13] session on densification of urban areas.
[3:34:19] And basically the momentum is that all over the country we're going to have to be dealing
[3:34:27] with increasing density in a city like ours where we really don't have very many annexation
[3:34:37] opportunities. We can avoid all of this and say we're not going to make things more
[3:34:45] dense, but you're going to have a lot of sprawl into the county. And now we have people
[3:34:51] withdrawing from ETAs and the legislature could easily do away with ETAs in the next four
[3:34:59] to six years, and they might allow, by right, without us having anything to say about it,
[3:35:10] the opportunity to put two dwelling units on any existing single-family property. I mean,
[3:35:17] that's what they're talking about. And what we're talking about with middle housing here
[3:35:22] is controlling our own destiny in a way that we can define some areas where we can have landing
[3:35:29] places for people with creative opportunities about increasing density and as Michael said earlier
[3:35:39] it could be that they buy two lots and divided into three and build three properties on
[3:35:46] the two or if lots of big enough you could split in half almost all of the properties
[3:35:53] were talking about are rental properties currently and so they are there for the people
[3:35:59] Certainly, the investors have thought of them as being useful in-come investments.
[3:36:05] They are absolutely serving a lot of working-class people, people with moderate income,
[3:36:12] absolutely.
[3:36:13] I think that's important.
[3:36:14] I don't think we're trying to upset that at all in any way.
[3:36:19] I think we do have a commitment to move this agenda item forward, and I think it's been
[3:36:26] out in a pretty careful way. There is nothing perfect when Dr. Blanch Brick and I discussed
[3:36:33] this as she intimated many times over her six or eight years on council. I was one of those
[3:36:41] that kind of dragged my feet because I couldn't see how you could do it without a lot of controversy
[3:36:45] and where are you going to put this stuff? And she kept working on me and working on me. And now I
[3:36:51] I certainly have seen a light, particularly with the growing pressures on the community,
[3:36:56] not just from student housing,
[3:37:00] but from housing that crosses the entire array of income
[3:37:07] structure.
[3:37:08] I think we got to face facts.
[3:37:10] We just got to do it.
[3:37:12] And this is, to my way of thinking, a very deliberate process that we got to this point.
[3:37:17] And I believe we have to move the agenda forward if there are additional areas to be brought in.
[3:37:26] We'll have to look at each one of those and we'll have to apply the same criteria.
[3:37:31] And we may decide, again, like we did this time, after the public hearings you take a few pieces out.
[3:37:37] You don't include some pieces because you got public hearing feedback.
[3:37:43] That happened here with a very thoughtful committee, and then a very thoughtful process.
[3:37:49] So I think it's time for us to realize the vision that people like Dr. Burkhead and others
[3:37:56] and move this item forward, so that's my thoughts on the process at the moment.
[3:38:04] Mr. Mayor, are we going to be about to move to the well of the council?
[3:38:07] I'm about to ask Mr. Wright, he raises hand.
[3:38:11] Please do. I'll make a motion to approve 9-4 through 9-7 excluding 9-7E.
[3:38:18] Okay, we have a motion.
[3:38:19] There, I'd like to amend the motion to-
[3:38:22] There's no motion on the floor as in all seconds.
[3:38:26] Okay, we now have a second.
[3:38:29] Mayor Neckles.
[3:38:30] Now we have a motion on the floor and second and Mr. Yen, see your four years.
[3:38:34] Thank you, Mayor Nichols.
[3:38:35] I move that we strike map four in its entirety area, I, in the area, encompassing hollock
[3:38:41] and roll it until phase two, which we know will come before us in the next trunch of
[3:38:52] land use changes.
[3:38:54] He said, all of my area four in map four, and what area I, and the letter designator Jason
[3:39:03] to hollock.
[3:39:11] Make sure we got it right. I don't
[3:39:15] So you're looking to remove area i on map one
[3:39:20] Which would be rezoning to middle housing with a hoop area L
[3:39:27] Which is the area map two?
[3:39:29] He didn't do did you say oh the area adjacent to hollock. Oh, I think I'm calling hollock and then map four and it's entirety
[3:39:38] And I'd like to speak to the motion if you'll out there if
[3:39:44] It passes.
[3:39:52] I don't see a second.
[3:39:53] Did you call for one?
[3:39:55] I don't hear a second.
[3:39:57] I'll take it.
[3:39:58] Okay, thank you.
[3:39:59] Mr. Smith, second.
[3:40:03] Okay, speak to your wife.
[3:40:05] I guess first and foremost,
[3:40:09] I have a sense that, you know,
[3:40:13] this is what happens when we allow
[3:40:17] when my beloved city allows a dead letter law
[3:40:20] to prevail and then we tried to put the genie back into the bottle after not enforcing the laws on the books for as long as we did.
[3:40:32] I think it's also a symptom of my beloved alma mater not keeping up with on campus housing.
[3:40:40] I am extremely appreciative of staff and what they're trying to do.
[3:40:44] And I don't propose that these areas be stricken from consideration.
[3:40:50] I propose that these areas be postponed into the next tranche,
[3:40:54] so as the folks in that area who are all of our bosses
[3:40:59] have the opportunity to come together in and speak to this going forward.
[3:41:03] I think the amount of land, even excluding these areas is sufficient enough
[3:41:09] to where we can see where you, Mr. Strausky, can see as the permanent applications come flowing
[3:41:16] in, what this process is going to look like without
[3:41:23] such a large sweeping land change
[3:41:26] all at once.
[3:41:28] Thank you, Mayor Nichols.
[3:41:29] What's this math?
[3:41:30] Maybe we'll just make you second.
[3:41:35] I appreciate the looking at this and pulling these items aside for further consideration.
[3:41:48] I think it's something it gives us a certain we're being more deliberate in the way that we approach this.
[3:41:54] And again, there are many in this that we're not pulling out of the motion that are very appropriate, and we're making a big step towards a high occupancy overlays, adding some possibilities out there.
[3:42:18] And so it isn't like we're doing nothing but I do agree that being a little bit more deliberate and how we get there and we can come back at the next round if issues get resolved on these issues on these items, we can address them at that time.
[3:42:39] Anyone else wish to speak to the motion?
[3:42:40] I don't need any amendment.
[3:42:45] Sorry.
[3:42:46] I will once again request that we postpone voting on these until we have a chance.
[3:42:51] The motion is about just these three.
[3:42:55] And it was the exception of the.
[3:42:57] No, no.
[3:42:58] It just goes to read it.
[3:42:59] This is the amendment to the motion.
[3:43:02] It's the three that they're talking about.
[3:43:04] That's all the amendment was.
[3:43:06] I just saying.
[3:43:08] Okay.
[3:43:08] Yeah, yeah, I assume you're supporting them, Emma.
[3:43:11] I'm just saying that.
[3:43:14] Mr. Mark Morning.
[3:43:16] So, I'm no problem with that going back and talking.
[3:43:19] And so, Michael, you go back with your staff and we may end up carving out some of this steep which I subdivision.
[3:43:29] It's what I think would come out of this, I would thank.
[3:43:33] I think if we go back and look at the steeple chase area again on the whole, there may be some areas where we might want to carve some of that out and not have it be middle housing, I think that would be the intent.
[3:43:50] I can't think about it now, but there are folks that say they did not receive notification
[3:43:55] and they'd like to have to be at the table and have a discussion, so I have no problem
[3:44:00] with that.
[3:44:01] I think the area is right for change, I remember the controversy when actually approved
[3:44:09] that subdivision and I know it's all done for rental, basically for rental units, all
[3:44:15] investors and many, many of those buildings actually kept the houses that they built and
[3:44:20] doplex.
[3:44:22] So, I'm fine, but they didn't get their chance to have their voices heard, then I think
[3:44:26] we should.
[3:44:27] So, I just want to comment on that the only area that had an issue with the notices was
[3:44:34] GG.
[3:44:35] That area has been removed.
[3:44:38] This area in general had received notices not only for the public input phases, but
[3:44:45] in June. It also received notices for this meeting. As I had mentioned, the concerns that we had heard from this area related heavily to the shared housing concerns in the shared housing use and that was one of the driving factors.
[3:45:00] For modifying the shared housing use to remove it and create the who. Since doing that, the amount of opposition that we've heard from this area is very limited, and I think we had one individual this evening.
[3:45:15] had concerns of this area, but I do want to make mention to that and that throughout this process,
[3:45:21] we've sent out 2700 notices of all of these properties being considered for rezoning,
[3:45:28] and then also properties within 200 feet.
[3:45:33] I may ask you a question.
[3:45:35] If any of these are, if this amendment were to pass, all of these, well, the proponents
[3:45:46] says, they wouldn't be taken out of consideration, you would have to redo the entire
[3:45:52] noticing and so forth, correct?
[3:45:56] Correct.
[3:45:56] So if we brought these back under a different case and modified them, we would have to go back
[3:46:02] through the, even if you didn't modify them.
[3:46:05] So we'd have to go back through unless these specific areas were tabled, but I guess the guidance would have to come from Council.
[3:46:15] What you're looking for us to do with this, are you looking for us to re-engage all of the residents again and hold neighborhood meetings within this area?
[3:46:24] Or are you just waiting till phase two and then we go through the official noticing process again to allow individuals come to speak to peasants in Council?
[3:46:34] The least taxing effort on staff because I think tonight is probably sufficient that word will spread throughout this area, and you'll get plenty of feedback.
[3:46:45] And if we did do the formal process, if you need any help stuff in envelopes, let me know.
[3:46:53] I'm going to speak to my initial motion.
[3:46:56] Just I guess, or indifferent to the amended motion, with respect to everyone, I hate the idea of pulling this map out truly,
[3:47:03] because I think this is the best example of what Mill Housing can do.
[3:47:06] I think what Council Member Malone pointed out was that there was after the position 25 years ago
[3:47:12] because we were putting nothing but rental properties here and so 25 years later what we're faced with
[3:47:17] and what's been mentioned is that we are running out of land and that we are going to have to put
[3:47:22] density somewhere and we are acknowledging areas where density would work and we are I feel like
[3:47:29] in slightly pessimistic to say that it's going to go straight to student living?
[3:47:35] How much of this is already student living?
[3:47:38] I think that we are not really looking at everything and considering what we're actually
[3:47:46] trying to say which is we are saying in the next 25 years there's going to be more density
[3:47:50] here.
[3:47:50] Just like 25 years ago we said we need to build smaller lots with rental properties.
[3:47:54] And so it's like, I think that we sure we can pass this motion amended and remove this map and I have a feeling that we are going to reach the exact same conclusion because we've spent a year looking at this.
[3:48:12] I would say out of respect for our residents, who say they did not receive the notification
[3:48:19] that we send them out again.
[3:48:22] This is not the first time where we had residents say they did not receive a notification
[3:48:27] on whatever project it is.
[3:48:29] I think out of respect for them, we should, and I'm going to go back to saying we need to vote
[3:48:34] on these three individually, not as a group.
[3:48:39] We will be voting on item 9.4 separately from 9.5 separately from 9.6 separately from 9.7, despite the motion that was made, which I accepted, but frankly you couldn't make that motion.
[3:48:58] So, do you want to, Mr. Parliamentary Minister Attorney, we should probably pull that motion in the seconds and the amendment in the seconds we got to deal with one by one and I allowed the motion to do each item individually.
[3:49:16] And I think that was almost a requirement, wouldn't it? Yeah.
[3:49:21] Can you show me where the GG had been with that?
[3:49:26] Before we do that, let me just get this settled.
[3:49:29] Let me get this settled.
[3:49:30] I just want to go through the process of removing that motion from the floor if you withdraw
[3:49:35] and you're second to whoever was withdraws the base motion.
[3:49:41] Does the amendment go away as well, right?
[3:49:46] Mr. Turning is that fair enough?
[3:49:47] Yeah. Okay. I'll withdraw my initial motion.
[3:49:52] And you will withdraw your seconds, which makes the amendment moot.
[3:49:56] Okay. Do you want to make the motion that you were intending to make?
[3:49:59] Sir, I'll make a motion to approve 9-4.
[3:50:03] You're all second.
[3:50:05] And we now have a second on 9-4, which are those properties map one.
[3:50:12] So I'll just clarify the properties in 9-4,
[3:50:15] include B1, B2, D, F, G, and H,
[3:50:25] J, which is highlighted in pink here, which is a raw
[3:50:28] or quart, which is currently zone middle housing, but just adding the hoop.
[3:50:31] I just went to that too.
[3:50:33] And area Y. Those are all of the properties that are in agenda item 9.9.4, because they already
[3:50:42] have properties that are zone to middle housing.
[3:50:46] So none of those properties that Council Member Nancy had called out are within item 9.4.
[3:50:54] I move to approve.
[3:50:56] I'll second.
[3:50:57] We think we had a motion in the second already.
[3:51:00] I'm sorry William.
[3:51:01] Very much.
[3:51:02] I approve already.
[3:51:03] Okay.
[3:51:04] I'm ready to vote on that one.
[3:51:07] Okay.
[3:51:07] All those item 9.4, which repeat the go go through the maps again.
[3:51:14] just so that I will see them. B1, B2, D, F, G, H,
[3:51:26] J,
[3:51:28] and Y.
[3:51:30] And these are properties that already have.
[3:51:32] These are areas that have properties that we have already
[3:51:35] probably initiated to middle housing.
[3:51:37] And this is to, this is to reason them to middle housing
[3:51:42] with a high occupancy, right?
[3:51:45] Okay, we have a motion of floor in a second if there's no further discussion.
[3:51:49] I will call the question, those in favor say aye and raise your hand.
[3:51:53] Aye.
[3:51:54] Post.
[3:51:56] Want to post motion carries six to one.
[3:52:03] Item nine point five, now.
[3:52:09] Keep turning pages here.
[3:52:13] Nine point five is the motion regarding.
[3:52:15] That is the item regarding, let me just read it again, presentation, discussion, post-black
[3:52:23] regarding an ordinance, amending the UDO section 6.3 types of use in the code of ordinances
[3:52:29] of the City College, Texas for modifications to the shared housing use in the MH housing
[3:52:35] zoning district.
[3:52:36] Remind us of this in the ordinance amendment that remove shared housing from the base middle
[3:52:41] housing zoning district.
[3:52:42] It's shared housing would only be allowed if you had a who in a middle housing so many districts.
[3:52:48] Go ahead.
[3:52:48] Here a motion on this one.
[3:52:50] Mr. Smith and a second by Mr. Wright.
[3:52:54] And he was speaking a motion?
[3:52:56] No.
[3:52:57] Anything else?
[3:52:58] Okay.
[3:52:58] All those in favor of 9.5.
[3:53:01] Please say yes and raise your hand.
[3:53:05] Motion and opposed.
[3:53:07] Motion carries 6.1.
[3:53:12] Now we move to item 9.6, which shows the maps again.
[3:53:21] This is one of the cells that carry the...
[3:53:23] Yeah, so these would be all the properties you'd be resounding to middle housing with the who.
[3:53:28] These would include area E on this map, area I,
[3:53:35] area N, PQRST,
[3:53:47] W,
[3:53:50] everyone in purple,
[3:53:51] area of Z,
[3:53:54] nothing on this map, and then all of the properties on map 5, which are the area
[3:53:59] by the barracks. The only one that was called into question earlier was Area I, which is located
[3:54:07] on map 1 along University of Oaks Boulevard right here. And that property is in between multi-family
[3:54:16] zoning and G.S. Journal of Suburban Zoning.
[3:54:21] Do I hear a motion?
[3:54:23] I'll make a motion.
[3:54:24] To approve.
[3:54:25] A second.
[3:54:26] Motion to approve.
[3:54:27] And a second.
[3:54:29] Do I hear a amendment?
[3:54:30] Move to amend the motion to exclude area I.
[3:54:34] Post-ponent for further analysis in the next
[3:54:36] tranche of land use changes.
[3:54:39] A second?
[3:54:43] I do not hear a second.
[3:54:45] Amendment fails for a lack of a second.
[3:54:47] So we'll call the question, unless you wish to speak to your motions down there, okay, the question is as proposed item 9.6, including all of those items, all of those in favor say I raise your hand.
[3:55:08] Hi.
[3:55:10] Hi.
[3:55:10] Opposed?
[3:55:11] Okay.
[3:55:12] Motion carries 5 to 2.
[3:55:18] We'll go to the right of 9.7 except for E.
[3:55:25] That would include any of the areas in yellow, so L, N, U, V, X is item 9.7 E, so that is
[3:55:38] for consideration right now. Area BB. And then all of that for.
[3:55:48] I will make my motion
[3:55:49] again to accept 97 excluding E. I have a motion to have a second. A second. A second.
[3:55:58] And a second. I guess you don't wish to speak to this. I'll just say one last. Go ahead.
[3:56:03] If you don't mind I'll say one last thing because I do understand that the fear is there but also if we
[3:56:08] look at these homes now, until we passed middle housing and share housing, these all could
[3:56:13] have been anxious a year and a half ago, and that the fact that they aren't shows that
[3:56:19] that's maybe not the appropriate area for something like that, but in the future we open
[3:56:24] it up for things that could be there. So I'm not, that's how I feel very strongly that I think
[3:56:31] this is the right course of action for the future of this neighborhood. I think my parents first
[3:56:36] doplex when we moved here was on Santa Abbas, so I understand that and I think that the city is growing
[3:56:42] and changing, and I think that the land use to change with it.
[3:56:46] I'm Mr. Yeah. Yeah, I see. Mayor, I hear my colleague and largely agree with my colleague. I just
[3:56:53] think given the extremely sweeping nature of the land use changes being made tonight that it
[3:56:59] would not hurt to tap the brakes a little bit, and I say that being fully aware of the fact that
[3:57:05] every time we constrain an area from middle housing or the who, we're creating pressure in
[3:57:10] other areas where this might spill out into other neighborhoods, but we've largely arrested
[3:57:14] the process of restricting AgSHAAT construction. 100% we've arrested that process, so we're
[3:57:23] going to have another tronch anyway. What does it hurt to push this when to that one and
[3:57:26] subject to that, I would move to amend the motion to strike map for in its entirety.
[3:57:33] I'll second.
[3:57:34] Mr. Smith's second.
[3:57:36] Mr. Smith's second.
[3:57:37] Mr. Morton.
[3:57:37] Do you wish to speak further to your motion?
[3:57:40] I agree with William.
[3:57:42] When I did this 25 years ago, it were up in arms about ruining the neighborhood and whatnot.
[3:57:47] The fact that the matter is, is that nothing is really going to change over the fourth.
[3:57:52] There are many, many, many years actually, but it's an area where it was developed
[3:58:01] basically, exclusively for rental property and it's been used that way, and it will always
[3:58:06] be used that way.
[3:58:08] So I just don't think it's this smart development, but you know, a smart proactive part
[3:58:14] the city to provide more space for middle housing which we're in desperate need of.
[3:58:24] Mr. Strauss gave you had any residents in this area expressed concern about not receiving
[3:58:31] notice. Not in these areas now. Thank you so much. And tonight have we heard from anyone that
[3:58:37] lives currently in this area?
[3:58:41] We have not. One speaker who mentioned this area but I don't think
[3:58:44] live there. So I spend a lot of time here because I have a relative that lives there and
[3:58:51] some friends that live there. The people that I know that live there got multiple notices
[3:58:55] and they got door tags from CSAM that told them that Agshax might go up there even though that
[3:59:02] is not correct and so they've had multiple, multiple exposures to this information and so I'm
[3:59:14] given and the residents are very aware and there has been no opposition from anyone that lives
[3:59:20] in this area to say anything other than let's move forward.
[3:59:30] Thank you on any other comments.
[3:59:33] Okay, we have an amendment to the base motion to eliminate, to not consider at this time
[3:59:44] I'm just trying to, what you said, not consider this a time, at this time, but bring it back
[3:59:51] at a later time when you bring the next group forward is what I understand the amendment
[3:59:56] to be.
[3:59:56] It's going to be the only refers to the places on map.
[4:00:00] Or here, DDE and FF. So we have an amendment. Those that support the amendment raise your hand and say aye, aye, aye, that's
[4:00:17] that's right. That's what being voted on. So we had. That's what Mr. Hansi's motion would do would be to postpone it. So I have three votes, three votes for the emotion.
[4:00:31] all those opposed the amendment, raise your hand say aye.
[4:00:36] I. Okay, motion fail. The amendment fails three to four. We'll now go back to the base
[4:00:42] motion, which is to go back to all of item 9.7 except for E. And I would ask you Michael just
[4:00:54] to one more time on through that fourth. So it will be all of the areas in yellow. So nothing
[4:01:00] M-A-1, area L, N, E.