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Welcome, everyone, to the November 13, 2025 city council meeting. We have not completed the executive agenda. So the executive session is recessed until we complete the regular agenda. And then we'll go back into executive session after that. So anyway, welcome, everybody. I apologize. We're a little bit late getting out here, but still working on city business of many different kinds.

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And so we'll move ahead with the regular agenda, which picks up with the Pledge of Allegiance

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invocation.

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And that's item 4 on the agenda, so I'll lead the Pledge of Allegiance.

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If you'll remain standing after that, Council Member White will do the invocation.

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to

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the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation that we are in the visible with liberty and justice for all.

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On our behalf of the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state under God, one in the

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Please remain standing.

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Let us pray.

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Dear Lord,

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we come before you tonight with grateful hearts,

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acknowledging your goodness in every season of our lives.

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We thank you for the beautiful fall weather that surrounds us.

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For the cooler air, the changing colors,

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and the sense of renewal it brings to our community.

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These simple gifts remind us of your presence

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and of your faithfulness or guide our thoughts, our words, and our decisions

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this evening, grant us wisdom to lead with integrity, compassion, and unity as we

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serve the people of college station. Bless our citizens, our city staff, our

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first responders, and all who work each day to make this community strong and vibrant.

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May your peace be with our citizens and may everything we do bring honor to

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your name in your holy name we pray. Amen.

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Thank you councilmember White.

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We have a speaker protocol which all of you that have picked up an agenda or have looked

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online you know pretty much what it is.

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There are several people that have signed up to speak on a couple of three different items.

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So we will have a rather lengthy meeting I'm sure but everyone stays in their three-minute

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the time slot will be good and I'll try to encourage people along as those items come

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up. So we move on to the just for the page here visitors and here visitors I do have

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one person signed up to speak from a council member Elizabeth Kunha. Is she here? There

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There she is, welcome back.

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Good evening, council and mayor.

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My name is Elizabeth Kuna, I live in Shannon, DOA in College Station, Texas.

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And I just wanted to take just a moment to recognize a shift in the narrative.

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For as many years as I've lived in College Station, when people have complained about their property tax bill,

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we've patiently explained that there are three contributors to the bill.

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There's the city, there's the county, and there's the school district.

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And that the city is not the largest contributor to that bill.

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That's the way it's been for all the over three decades that I paid the bill.

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But this year, when I opened up my bill, the narrative shifted.

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And so because it shifted, I just wanted to mark it in this way.

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For the first time, when I looked at my bill, the city of conversation was indeed the largest contributor to the bill.

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Larger than the school district, which employs twice as many people, larger than the county.

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That is in part because the state legislature provided a nice home set exemption for us.

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That's what causes the numbers to be different.

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But the numbers are different, and the narrative will have to shift.

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And I just wanted to take a moment to recognize that shift.

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And I appreciate the council's opportunity to use here visitors to mark that difference.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much, Ms. Guna.

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Okay, that's the only person signed up for

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For that item, we will now move to the consent agenda, and the consent agenda has quite a few items.

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Let me just check here 6.1 through 6.17, so I'll ask council members in their wisdom and

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discretion if there's any of those that they wish to have questions answered.

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Mr. Yancey, which one?

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Thank you, Mayor Nichols, recognizing the lateness of the evening.

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I'm going to rapid fire just a few questions.

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Unfortunately, the following two, four, ten, and thirteen.

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Two, six point two, six point four.

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Right, and what was the last one?

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Ten and thirteen, sir.

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Ten, ten, six point ten, and thirteen.

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Yes, sir.

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All right.

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Seeing nobody else raising their hand, item six point two is

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Ms. Cane, I'll read the header.

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Presentation discussion, possible action on city's indefinite delivery and

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definite quantity, IDIQ list, where identified firms we pre-qualified to provide

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on call as needed professional services for 22 different categories based on their qualifications.

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Ms. Cane.

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Good evening, Jennifer Cane, capital projects.

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Thank you for all you do, Ms. Cane.

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Sorry for the directness of the questions.

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First an observation, I'm very happy to see Guestner engineering on this list.

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I hope they are competitive and quality enough that we can use them soon in the future.

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I see there's two instances of Guestner, but how did half make this list?

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Given the geotest failure on the first go round of baseball fields,

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why are we giving them that opportunity and why not withhold it until they do the right thing?

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And on that now, three-year-old, two-and-a-half-year-old matter.

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So, I may let Adam if you would say anything, but we evaluated these independent land, and

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we looked at them based on their qualifications that they submitted and for the categories

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that they submitted.

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I mean, you just see which one they were on, but it was not the same capacity that they worked

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on the ball fields.

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Thank you very much, Mayor.

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As one member of council, I don't think it's appropriate for them to get an indefinite

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duration and definite quantity of status bestowed upon them unless and until the soil test failure is resolved satisfactorily.

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We've been talking about it forever, we still don't know what's next.

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May I move, sir, that we remove them from the process?

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No, we're going through the questions first and we come back and we will vote on the entire group.

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And if you wish to withhold that for a separate vote, you may do so.

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Thank you, sir.

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So, six points that I think you've done with that comment.

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Yes, sir.

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Six point four, also for Miss Cain.

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This sort of presentation is held to the possible action and construction contract with

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Merrick Brothers, construction for the CSU Operation Expansion, amount of $2,653,000, $150,000,

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plus the city's contingency, in the amount of $265,000, $315,000 for appropriation of 2.2,000,

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Again, nine are 18,465.

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Prove a list item, grant storage, city manager to authorize project expenditures up to the city's contingency amount,

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miscane, and the mystery and see.

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To do I have this right, and I may not.

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I need your help, 2.653 million on construction of this 4,500 square foot building.

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Correct?

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Yes.

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And 1.202, where did I get that number in design, or expenditures to date, I presume most of that's design.

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It is, yes, and this one is a little bit different when you look at the, because it's part of electric funds.

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I just want to clarify this, it's a little bit different than what you normally see on capital projects.

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Like on water streets or something else. And so the total budget included, like the 5.15 million, that's a category that electric has for multiple projects.

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And this one was one of the ones allocated to it.

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And so a portion actually of that one point to you, I actually don't have a number off the top of my head for design.

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But some of that is funds that have been expaned on other things in that same chunk of money.

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Okay, so design, that's the heart of my quandary.

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Design does not reflect better than 40% of the cost of this 4500 square foot building.

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No, it was not and I can find out that exact number for you.

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Okay, thank you very much.

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Thank you, Mayor Nichols.

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Okay, we go to the next item you've called, which has 6.10 presentation discussion possible

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action in the second amendment to the Exxon Enterprises for Mike Pavellka, somebody over there

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is chief.

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You know, thank you.

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In the discussion possible action, the second amendment to the Exxon Enterprises Incorporated

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10-year Master of Service Agreement, adding an AI-assisted report writing for an increase

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So approximately 944,580 dollars.

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Chief.

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Good evening, Mayor Council.

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Thank you very much, Chief, for your service to the city.

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First and observation, not directed at the police department.

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$27,000 of this contract will go to source well

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under their group purchasing organization contract.

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If you look at all of the pieces parts of this contract,

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648,664, and 710,000,

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And ultimately, they'll be paid $60,000 for negotiating this deal.

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I believe that the staff we have, the City of College Station, can do a much better,

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or at least a equivalent job of obtaining competitive pricing.

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And you pay for an FTE with this single contract alone.

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Now to my question, chief, AI, we jumped from a modest amount.

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We were paying this company to a million dollars for AI, and I noticed under their contract

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ethical AI development axon shelf, follow its responsible innovation framework, engage

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with the ethics and equity advisory council EEC for feedback.

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I'm reading through this contract, this AI is going to interpret your call.

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What is this going to do?

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So this axon is the parent company of all of our camera systems, our bodyware cameras, our in-car cameras.

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This particular product is called Draft 1.

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It is going to pull the data off of the interactions we have and then create a narrative.

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So it's going to should reduce a significant amount of report writing time.

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The officer will still have to go in authenticate it and clean up the report, but it'll create the substance from the interaction

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that they have on each of their calls for service, we spend a significant amount of time in report writing.

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The belief is we could shave as much as 75% out of the time we spend in report writing that then could put more FTEs back into the department if you will.

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Well, in the event that this doesn't work as advertised, you've built in contingencies, protections to the taxpayer that we can get out of it.

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Or have you seen this in action and you know it to work?

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Yeah, I've seen it in action and I've seen some some tests that agencies have done with the product

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Very satisfied with the results that they got we have consulted with the district county attorney's office to ensure that

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They're going to accept the reports based on the AI generated material

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So far everything we've heard is very positive about the product. Thank you very much to you. Thank you, Mayor

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What just I wish we could negotiate these contracts instead of yeah

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Now I'll just add real quickly on this one chief may have mentioned it a little bit but

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This is the same contracts in the limit to the same contract that we have for all of our body one cameras

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Everything that's out fit in the tasers and everything the actual contracts about eight million dollar contracts

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So including the hardware yeah

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Thank you, and as I recall this was a

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It's not a service level adjustment. It wasn't right. I was gonna point out this was when we discussed in the budget one of the additions service level adjustments for the

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PD this was no this is the contract that fulfills that service level, right? It was already in the budget. Thank you

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Numbers X 13 presentation discussion

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Possible action. This must be for let me get over to the other side

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car. Yeah, there you go

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Presentation discussion possible action regarding ordinance

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amending chapter 38 traffic of vehicles and it goes through I will bother to list at a whole series of streets

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which they will be no parking any time, or parking here to corner signs put in place.

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So if that's good enough reading, I think you can ask your question.

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Thank you very much, Mayor.

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Thank you for everything you do for the city.

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Relative to this, this is separate and distinct from the larger city wide, or potentially city wide,

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or eat a south side Eastgate parking discussions we've been having correct.

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I just want you to clarify for the record, it's burned us in the past where we did these, it has me anyway, where I just thought everybody had been reached out to and talked to and cleared with, and I did reach out to the developers of the two neighborhoods where all these streets are, but my question is, and like y'all say, they are copacetic with it like you say in your report.

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But were the citizens engaged relative to all of this parking that we're about to remove from the streets?

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No, sir they weren't, these actually came in with the final plat whenever they were the developers in the plating stage.

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So the signs are already out there, they exist, they just weren't on our parking schedule in the UDO.

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So this will codify them and have them in our parking schedule.

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So it was part of the original plan.

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Yes, sir.

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So there were no houses built at the time.

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This is following a standard procedure, right?

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Yes, sir.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Okay, that's the last item that I have had inquiries about, so I will move to the council. There, I'd like to separate issue on half engineering police, sir. Item 6.2. Okay, I'll have a motion and consent agenda item 6.1 through 6.17 except for 6.2. Motion to approve. Move your approve.

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I didn't hear. Move to approve. And second from Mr. Smith.

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Okay.

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Okay. All those in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed? Motion carries unanimously. We'll go back to item 6.2 that has been pulled for a separate vote.

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Mayor, we've heard a discussion. Do I hear a motion on that one?

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Mayor, I'd like to move to approve the list as assembled by staff with the caveat that we remove half engineering

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until our dispute with that engineering firm has resolved.

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Do I hear a second?

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Second.

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I hear a second.

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Do I speak to your motion any further or not?

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No, sir.

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I'll speak to your second.

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I have a question.

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Is half an associate's already involved in contracts with the city?

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So removing them or them being on this would not affect any existing contracts.

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it would only, IDIQ, for those who don't know is basically a list of pre-qualified folks

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that if we do certain small jobs, depending on what they fall, then we can utilize.

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So if they were not on this, it wouldn't affect if they were doing anything else,

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or if they wanted to put in for any other future individual projects.

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It only affects anything we would give to people on this list moving forward.

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Thank you. You've answered my question. Any further questions, comments?

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I'd like to ask a link if there's any issue with us in that.

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I mean, it's up to Council to make the decision.

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No, I just wondered if there were any legal caveats we needed to consider as part of that decision.

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I think staff looked at the criteria and based the criteria on their past performances,

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but it's up to Council to approve the list.

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So I think Council can do that.

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Have we had any movement whatsoever on that interaction with them with the geotechnical boring?

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We're not posted to talk about that specifically now, but we are in discussions.

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It's germane to the topic at hand.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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As I understand the motion, it is to prove the list except for the inclusion of half

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associates in whatever categories are incorrect.

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Copy that.

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Yes, sir.

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Mayor.

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That's your second, right?

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Yes, sir.

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All those in favor of the motion, say, by raising your hand and saying aye.

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we move on to that takes care of the consent agenda we'll move on to the workshop

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agenda which is two items item 7.1 will be presented by Mr. Cook presentation discussion

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possible after regarding the tourism strategic plan.

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Thank you.

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Jeremiah Cook, Assistant Director of Tourism, and we're excited tonight to bring the pillars

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of the Tourism Strategic Plan, and so this is something that we began working on, had a

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contract approved last fall, and we've been working through it with our steering committee,

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which is the Tourism Committee laid out by the Council.

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And tonight, what we're bringing forward is the pillars for that plan.

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So this is not official plan adoption.

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This is just the check-in to say, are we good with the six pillars that we're working on?

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And do we want to continue to flesh those out?

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So that's what we're looking for tonight.

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Dan Finton, which LL will be kind of leading the discussion here.

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and committee member Hunter Goodwin, that can also provide comments.

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We can also answer any questions at the end.

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With that, I'll turn the presentation over to Dan.

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Thank you.

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Welcome, sir.

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Thanks, Jeremiah, Mayor, Council.

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I'm happy to be here.

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I look forward to going through this with you.

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I'm going to test the clicker.

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Okay, there we go.

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A couple of things.

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Great to have our committee members here with us because I think it's representative of the process that we've gone through.

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And we're going to talk about some of the priorities that have come from our process.

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But I think it's important to state that the collaboration that went in

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getting us here was very broad and significant and there's been a lot of great input and we'll

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talk about that as we go through this and so we certainly want to thank the members of

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the committee and a lot of members of the community who have now been involved with this process.

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Also some key members from Texas A&M who have been a part of the interaction that will

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leads to some of the things that you're going to hear today.

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This is just a little bit about us, just the fact that GLL, this part of GLL, works really

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across the nation when it comes to tourism strategic planning, destination planning, so

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this is a little bit about us.

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These are the three members of the team that are on here.

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This is just a little overview of, if you think about how you go through a strategic planning

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process, the listening phase, trying to analyze the data that you gather thinking about what

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the strategies are.

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And then one of the things to Jeremiah's comment is we're going to come back, and you're

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going to see a little bit of this today, but assuming the council says we sort of like

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this direction, the next meeting when it comes to activate is, okay, how are you actually

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going to specifically make sure that these things come to life and that we will be successful

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in terms of our implementation.

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Couple of things here just to look at.

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to people's thoughts about where the priorities should be, and when you think about tourism,

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we want to make sure that we are thinking about priorities that will in fact generate

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a combination of things, but surely the economic side of tourism, that they will generate

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increased visitation, they'll generate an opportunity to continue to evolve both as a destination,

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and you'll see in a second also as a collaborative partner, if you will, in terms of how we

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rule about what we're doing. These are three or four different specific

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analysis that we did and a couple of ones I want to point out for today's

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conversation. One is the event matrix which we're going to talk about and the

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whole notion of how can we think about leisure events going forward and the

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right one very significant for today is University Benchmarking Research. So I've

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had a lot of great conversations again with Texas A&M and you're going to see in

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the second how that has manifested itself into some of the priorities that have surfaced

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that we want to discuss today.

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So we'll jump right into proposed strategies.

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would be a natural part of a tourism plan to think about the integration and the collaboration

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with Texas A&M.

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So if you think about that seems like a fairly standard and very obvious important part of

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this process. And I will tell you one of the things that we did as a team is we met

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with, for example, Provost Office admissions, athletics, recruitment. We met with a lot

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of different parts of the university just to think about where could tourism efforts support

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some of the key initiatives within the university. And you'll see the first one that we've listed

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here, and that was partially came from a conversation with the Provost Office, is we talked about

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how we could, from a tourism perspective, become a key strategic burden when it comes

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to attracting and bringing academic conferences to college station.

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What we did is we talked a lot about, with a strategy like this, it's not so much just let's

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go find conferences and try to bring them here, but how do you create a strategy that aligns

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with the University itself so that it also supports the University's mission and brings

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conferences to College Station and to Texas A&M.

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you can see that we have thought about with the committee, we thought about specific tactics

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and specific things to go about creating the ability to be that kind of collaborator that

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we're proposing here.

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So you hear, you see this first one about inventorying and thinking about where the opportunities are.

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We had an interesting meeting with the hotel general managers.

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And one of the general managers was talking about this notion of how we can collaborate.

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He sort of looks at everybody and he says, if you think about the size of the faculty, so 4,000 plus members.

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And if you think about the fact that faculty members have, you know, have all sorts of tentacles and connections

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to associations or different sort of industry, if you will.

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Agreements, you can see this note here that he speculated

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that there's probably over 10,000 meetings that exist

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where you could see a connection back to some

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of the spectacular things that are going on

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at the university.

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So you sort of step back and you think yourself,

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there's actually a pretty big universe here

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that we could be thinking about together in terms

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of how we collaborate on bringing some of that

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here and the committee is really very committed to this because this is not a situation where

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what we're recommending is let's just make sure we're sort of good partners as we are today.

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our current setup and it comes to structure, members of our team, how we bring certain

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expertise to this initiative so we can really partner and produce opportunities in this

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that we work very closely with the University on so you can see here some of the different

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things that we've talked about in terms of creating a new team, creating people that are

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bringing people on who are really well versed in sort of that whole notice of business development.

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You'll also notice here that there is a key part of this that says making sure there

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There is really alignment here in terms of how we approach this initiative.

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So this particular piece of the priorities that you see is a big one that the committee

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has put a lot of time and effort on and really support the fact that we need to think about

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how do we invest in this new direction with resources to try to really make a difference

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in terms of how we can strategize on conferences.

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And again, remember that this is not just conferences for conferences sake.

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This is conferences that align with the university's mission, with the department's mission as part of ultimately the sort of successful initiative.

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So this is one of the key areas within the sort of university portion of our recommendations that we wanted to talk about.

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If you look at the next one here, a little bit more on the initiatives related to bringing in the conferences so you can sort of look through these,

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that you can again see this whole commitment to going out, finding, qualifying business

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and really creating that relationship when it comes to how to bring some of those conferences

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to college station.

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The next one that was talked about is also still ties to the relationship, the proactive

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strategy with Texas A&M was its overall event management partnership.

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So we listen carefully to a lot of stakeholders and a lot of people both at the university

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and others that said, how do we align ourselves when it comes to bringing more of some of these

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larger events to college stations, slash and conjunction with the university?

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to the table, bringing a strategic partner in how we go out and recruit some of the new

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larger events in conjunction with the university, and then, again, having measurable goals.

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for how many of these we want to see take place on an annual basis, and how can we use our

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collective resources to sort of join forces when it comes to bringing some of the large

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events to Coge Station. Next one here, if you look at, oops, I'm sorry, go right away. Next

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one here you'll look at is, this will kind of go through quickly, but in conversations we

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had when it came to recruitment. So we talked to the recruiters at the university, and they

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I mentioned to us that here's an interesting statistic,

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which generally probably knows,

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but for someone, this was an eye-opener in a good way,

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they said they conduct almost 2,500 tours

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on a weekly basis when it comes to people looking at

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Texas A&M as a potential university.

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as they said, we would love to see the tourism team

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work with us on improving that experience.

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on looking at that recruitment experience and adding more to it as a way to help

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us when it comes to how we engage and how we attract students both to

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university and obviously to college station. So you'll see here specific tactics

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related to how we want to invest in enhancing the student experience or that

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experience that goes on today and if you look at the next slide you'll see sort of

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of law of that in terms of the different opportunities,

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but after we rose drawn to where the emissions offices,

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we could really get a sense of this sort of excitement

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when we started talking about what the possibilities were.

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he goes, if you think about this historically,

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you know, we would provide information

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and then we'll sort of stop there.

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And we're here for questions.

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This strategy is, let's really look at

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what that itinerary looks like for those families,

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how we make sure that they have the experience when they're here,

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understand what goes on in college station, understand the whole picture,

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and you can see some of the key partners here that we've listed that would be part of this,

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and then how do we really partner on enhancing

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what that experience is from where it is today.

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The other thing that came up also in the recruitment area

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As we were, as we were strategizing with the recruitment leadership, we then moved to the level of bringing new faculty or bringing new staff into the university. Same thing. How can we enhance that experience when it comes to where recruiting new faculty members or recruiting senior staff levels? And you can see here again, we've come up with ideas in terms of how to really make sure that that sort of itinerary when new faculty or new senior staff are being

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recruited, how can we support those efforts, a lot of interest from this university side

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and how we can partner with this going forward.

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Again, you can see more of this, customizing itineraries, doing things with the provost

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office you can see here, so a lot of thought has gone into this particular interface with

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the university.

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This one here talks about joint marketing strategy, so how do we collaborate with the university

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in terms of our collective messaging and what are things that we can do together in that

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area so you can see some of the opportunities there.

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If you go to this strategy, so those that we just went through were this collection of

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thoughts that the tourism committee feels strongly about, that we need to invest in going forward

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in terms of how we enhance and strategically enhance our collaboration when it comes to

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Texas A&M and how we do that and really can measure results going forward which we'll

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talk about.

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The last one is if you remember I talked about this event in Matrix, so we studied 50 to

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a hundred different events that currently go on in college days, so we looked at them objectively,

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we looked at what the potential was and we said to ourselves how do we take collective

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of tourism resources and really become a proactive player

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in future event development for college station.

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So instead of necessarily perhaps being a sponsor

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of an event or making sure that an event was on a calendar,

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how do we get further into the event development area

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as a tourism team?

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A lot of interest in this from sort of the broader community,

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a lot of ideas here.

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So what we're proposing here or what we want to work

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Laura on is coming back to the council and saying this is specifically what that structure

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would look like.

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And here's how we would measure success when it comes to new event development, looking

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at things that are going on today, and saying how can we enhance them going forward.

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And we think this is one area that certainly has a relationship also with the university,

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but it also has the ability to really look at events that will draw from a regional

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audience and that will bring people in from that distance to come in and experience college

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stations through the events that we want to work on developing or creating new events.

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And so that's the sort of last pillar that we want to talk about that we think is an

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important one has implications that are certainly tied to in Texas A&M but also broader in

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terms of some of the areas that we think can be impacted through this initiative.

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So, and then the other part of this is as we do this, are there opportunities to develop

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new signature events going forward and what might that look like and how do we use current

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tourism resources to be able to invest in that area?

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So, just to summarize, and then I'll turn it back as perfect, I think we're going to, I hope we can,

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ask our two committee leaders to come up here and just say a couple of words to everybody.

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But I want to go through just to recap, these are the six initiatives that Jeremiah was

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referring to.

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00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:49,360
So this notion of how we partner on academic conferences, how we work together on the

448
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:57,700
larger events, this idea of how we can enhance the recruitment relationship, both with students

449
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:02,800
as well as faculty and staff, how we can join forces on marketing communication, and then

450
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,160
and lastly, this whole idea of continuing to build

451
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:09,420
on current and future leisure events going forward.

452
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:11,760
So mayor, councilor, I'll stop there.

453
00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:15,640
That was a overview of where we are.

454
00:34:15,860 --> 00:34:19,080
And I think as Jeremiah mentioned, we'd love to get your support

455
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,900
to sort of keep moving on these initiatives.

456
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,900
But let me stop and turn it over.

457
00:34:24,380 --> 00:34:25,680
Courtney, maybe you can start here

458
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,020
to two of our great committee members

459
00:34:28,020 --> 00:34:28,920
who have been a part of this.

460
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:29,780
Thank you.

461
00:34:29,780 --> 00:34:33,180
Ms. Courtney Phillips, who's Chairman of the Tours and Adviser Committee.

462
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,260
Yes, thank you, Mayor.

463
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,100
Thank you, Council.

464
00:34:35,580 --> 00:34:37,800
I just wanted to reiterate kind of what Dan said.

465
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,420
The committee is behind these pillars.

466
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,600
We've worked many hours.

467
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:52,000
We've had many conversations, and these were created with, you know, the joint communication.

468
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,300
The other thing is that we feel very strongly that we are in a position

469
00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:05,660
in time where we need to be more proactive with our tourism, we need to invest so that

470
00:35:05,660 --> 00:35:08,280
we're driving the ship a little bit more than we ever have before.

471
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,280
And that's going to mean it's a hundred feet, talk better than I can so I'll turn it

472
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:14,500
over.

473
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:18,940
Thank you, Mr. Goodman.

474
00:35:19,740 --> 00:35:21,380
Thank you, Council Mayor.

475
00:35:22,060 --> 00:35:23,900
I think I was set up by Dan.

476
00:35:24,060 --> 00:35:27,240
He picked the prettiest version of our committee and the ugliest one to follow.

477
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:35,760
so I apologize. Just to echo what Courtney said, I think there was a lot of effort and time spent in developing these pillars.

478
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:44,800
What jumps out at you that's kind of stating the obvious is that for us to be successful, we have to have direct integration into Texas A&M.

479
00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:49,880
For 25 years, as long as I've been around here trying to do this, that's been a real challenge.

480
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,480
So what would strike some optimism and hope?

481
00:35:54,380 --> 00:36:01,080
maybe I'm just stubborn, but I think a couple things that I think really present a unique

482
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,680
opportunity for us to actually finally maybe knock the walls down that exists between

483
00:36:06,020 --> 00:36:07,140
the city and the university.

484
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:12,980
One is Playfly, a new multi-media rights partner that is going to come in effective July

485
00:36:12,980 --> 00:36:14,260
1st of next year.

486
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,320
They are very cutting edge, very different, their approach is different.

487
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:25,380
I think Texas A&M, the University at large, is up for a big change on how things are

488
00:36:25,380 --> 00:36:27,460
done and run over there, especially with athletics.

489
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:35,080
Two, the Applin Center and three, H-M-G-T. There's a great correlation now with our efforts

490
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:40,380
in College of Ag, the former very prestigious department with Dr. Schaefer used to run,

491
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:41,140
R-P-T-S.

492
00:36:41,140 --> 00:36:49,020
has now, I call it RPTS 2.0, we've shifted our focus more into the hospitality and restaurant

493
00:36:49,020 --> 00:36:54,500
management space. With that, we've seen a tremendous interest and enrollment. Undergraduate

494
00:36:54,500 --> 00:37:01,020
enrollment was kind of on a downward trend. We've turned and now it's funny, Dr. Compton

495
00:37:01,020 --> 00:37:07,120
was concerned about how we're going to handle the growth. So that integrates well into what's

496
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,900
It's going to be the front door of really the campus, which is the Appland Center.

497
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:16,440
Beaver Appland was generous enough to give a largest single donation to Texas A&M $60 million.

498
00:37:17,180 --> 00:37:21,140
And he's building what will become the Visitor Center of the front door to Texas A&M and

499
00:37:21,140 --> 00:37:25,340
what I call the HLOT right across from the Texas A&M Hotel Conference Center.

500
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:34,960
And lastly, I'll say that last week we had a meeting last Friday that was held at a, I guess, adjunct campus.

501
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:40,120
This might be the appropriate term, it will be a Texas A&M campus, not a system school

502
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,320
that's being built right now in Fort Worth, downtown Fort Worth.

503
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:49,420
The site of the old, what's now the Texas A&M law school, I believe it was less lenin'

504
00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:50,340
law school years ago.

505
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:58,300
The purpose of that meeting was really how are we going to integrate programming done at

506
00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:02,000
HMGT with some of the efforts in the DFW marketplace.

507
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,240
I will say that that meeting was really eye-opening for me.

508
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,620
There were probably 75 very influential players in the room.

509
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,080
John Goff, who runs Crescent Realty, was the chairman of that.

510
00:38:16,540 --> 00:38:19,520
It was integrated with some other efforts within the city of Fort Worth,

511
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,840
and really gives us a chance to do some unique and wonderful things

512
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,760
with partnering with our partners in Fort Worth.

513
00:38:25,980 --> 00:38:31,800
So the ask, as Dan said, is we would hope you would continue to allow us to pursue this.

514
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,020
I think we're at a point now where the hard part is forthcoming.

515
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,500
We have to develop a plan on how to do this.

516
00:38:38,740 --> 00:38:43,320
But I am very encouraged that I think for the first time ever, for those of you that

517
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:50,200
attended the George Strait concert last year, followed by the friendly soccer match.

518
00:38:50,380 --> 00:38:55,760
We saw the potentiality of this community, we saw what it could do, and I think we proved

519
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,560
to the world that we're capable of some really amazing things.

520
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:06,360
So we would just continue to ask you to allow us to pursue this and work to the most important part, which is the how to thank you.

521
00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:17,620
Thank you very much. Dan, come back for a second or I think there's some questions I got to and I think probably at least one of them for Dan.

522
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:28,200
Great. One of the overriding issues I've been involved in these things for years is our lack of air airport connectivity.

523
00:39:29,620 --> 00:39:31,460
How does that fit in with this?

524
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:37,540
How do you deal with that as you think about attracting academic conferences and so forth?

525
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,940
The things the university is being encouraged to look at?

526
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:47,540
Yeah, no question that part of the outcomes should be to continue to support new flight development,

527
00:39:48,020 --> 00:39:50,560
absolutely part of the bigger development area.

528
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,440
And I don't want to, as an outsider, I had a chance to experience this.

529
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,660
we had a couple of conversations, for example, with some of the leaders in the agriculture

530
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:00,420
department and others.

531
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,080
And we really believe in, we had a conversation today about some of the different areas

532
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:11,040
of Texas A&M that are really globally known, I mean, this is a situation where we are doing

533
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,640
things that people want to be a part of.

534
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:19,140
And we think that if we can bring what Hunter is talking about, Jeremiah talked about too,

535
00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:26,140
is if we can bring a level of support to that effort, that we can attract conferences to

536
00:40:26,140 --> 00:40:32,780
come, because if you think about it, the key here is that alignment with the university.

537
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,540
It's aligning with some of the great things that we do, so that's got to be the driver.

538
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,300
So yes, we want to work on new flight development, but we clearly think we've got a lot of unique

539
00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:46,400
opportunities within the university to create things that people are going to want to come

540
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:46,580
to.

541
00:40:46,580 --> 00:40:52,440
on my second second question would just be related to you you talked about new

542
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,660
investment and that may be something that would come out of the next stage

543
00:40:56,660 --> 00:41:02,740
yeah but I think the council and staff would be very concerned or interested

544
00:41:02,740 --> 00:41:08,400
interested in concern both in terms of a fiscal impact and fiscal requirements

545
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,880
for that investment not that I can't yield you know 200% return or whatever but

546
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,400
The upfront money is always a question.

547
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:42,200
Yeah, I think that thing, I think Hunter mentioned this one of the things the committee and he really said this so the committee was very focused on in this process was for us not to get up here and say, wouldn't it be great if right, but to really look at what would it take to do this right, what kind of infrastructure, what kind of expertise, all the things that would go into this and I think mayor, you're you're hitting on another point to and that is we have to have metrics here.

548
00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:48,920
So what we don't want to do is come back with something that would be great if we did this and here's the expenditure, but what are the goals?

549
00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:54,780
And I think we want to come back as Hunter mentioned and be able to present all of that to you and the council.

550
00:41:55,660 --> 00:42:01,720
Thank you, other questions for Dan or for Jeremiah? Mr. White first.

551
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:07,300
Thank you so much. It's super exciting to see this initiative getting underway.

552
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:14,580
I love the partnership with A&M. I think that's going to be huge. I'm going to be association

553
00:42:14,580 --> 00:42:19,120
guy. You all mentioned a little bit about bringing association business and conferences

554
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,620
into this. I mean, we're in the perfect location. We've talked about it. That Texas triangle.

555
00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:34,080
Do we have the, you can call it infrastructure. Do we have the meeting space available to

556
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:39,500
bring in I'm more familiar with the association side in the academic you know

557
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:47,800
meetings but do we have areas in the city that we can do a hundred exhibit hall

558
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,500
hundred booth exhibit hall so I think a couple of things this is it's like I'm

559
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:55,980
I'm not deferring the answer here but I think to point about the actual

560
00:42:55,980 --> 00:43:01,100
implementation we need to come back with that inventory we have had meetings with

561
00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:05,560
some of the leadership and Texas A&M about that, about the space there and where there

562
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:11,000
are opportunities. We think there are opportunities. But two, whether it's hotel partners or

563
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:16,320
other venue partners. If you think about a sales process, we want to make sure that we can

564
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:22,060
arm the sales leaders with that ability to say this is how we're going to do it. I will say this,

565
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,040
and I know I'm stating the obvious when it comes to the hotel community, but there's a lot of

566
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:32,360
interest in trying to figure out just what you said. So what exactly is that model. And the

567
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,160
other thing I just want to say, and I remember peat myself over a few times, but the

568
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:41,880
linchpin here is that is that marriage between the exciting things going on at the university

569
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,560
and how it ties to that conference. And that's really the key to this, I think, successfully.

570
00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:52,020
And I think when you start thinking about it that way, we have a lot to talk about, you know,

571
00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:54,540
and we have a lot to differentiate ourselves with.

572
00:43:54,580 --> 00:43:55,960
And we have a lot of opportunity.

573
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:59,140
And we have a lot of ROI that could come out of that.

574
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,900
And just a lot of great, because we've got to just

575
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:04,500
to meet a lot of the even academic leaders

576
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:05,220
in this process.

577
00:44:05,580 --> 00:44:07,340
And I know that we've got to keep moving.

578
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,420
But we can talk for all that opportunities there.

579
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:11,860
We think it's fun.

580
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,140
And as you mentioned, some of those university faculty

581
00:44:14,140 --> 00:44:16,040
or presidents or chairman of the board

582
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,760
of their association, and that's where we get that association,

583
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,300
but that will kind of compound it.

584
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:21,740
Thank you so much.

585
00:44:21,740 --> 00:44:39,740
And to Hunter's point, just very quickly, the idea is that we can go to that leader, that academic leader and say we really have a plan, not just sort of theoretical support, but we're really going to support you on how that how that gets executed. I think mayor, that's what we want to come back. That's a resource piece that we want to come back and talk about.

586
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:42,760
Thank you very much. Mr. Nancy, did you have a question?

587
00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:43,740
Yes, thank you, Mayor.

588
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,280
Dan, thanks for the presentation.

589
00:44:46,860 --> 00:44:52,280
A little bit disappointing on your rubber meets the road slide that those things aren't happening already.

590
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,100
And all the time that our entities have co-existed.

591
00:44:57,460 --> 00:44:59,660
And I guess my ultimate point is, if we don't.

592
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:28,760
It's obvious this city wants to engage. We hired Jones Langley Sal, and we're looking at it, and we're trying to amp up our tourism. But it takes two to tango, right? We're going to ultimately need Texas A&M University or the systems support. What was your feedback in your engagements with folks? From the do or level to the administrator level? What give us your science?

593
00:45:29,580 --> 00:45:32,160
Let's talk, let's start with the dual level a little bit, right?

594
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,940
We do think there's going to be opportunities in this next phase to, I'm going to use

595
00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:45,000
a word in power and maybe direct, in another phase, on how we do partner together when it

596
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,700
comes to the point you're making, I think is, is we need to have a strategy, it was kind

597
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:54,920
of earlier talked about council member about space and fluidity and how do we book and how

598
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,140
do we make sure that we have a competitive process.

599
00:45:57,940 --> 00:46:13,200
A lot of receptivity there, but one of our steps, and even Hunter could come back and talk about this, but one of our steps that you'll see in here, is really getting this organized and going to the administration, you know, going to the university administration with an organized plan here.

600
00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:27,020
So not necessarily just sitting around and talking about this in theory, and we believe that with there, when they see that the city, so obviously this would take council support, is really committed to engaging here.

601
00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:30,800
in a proactive way and supporting in a very proactive way.

602
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:34,980
What we're hoping is that helps what you're talking about in terms of saying how do we,

603
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,600
you know, how do we really make sure that we're locked and loaded, if you will.

604
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,520
So from a sample of conversations are all positive, but that's still at the surface level.

605
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,860
So they're doing what they do. We're doing what we do, and there's this space in the middle where

606
00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:54,500
we're collaborating. I've seen, we've seen many of those cross this bias that we've supported

607
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:58,760
and what not. Are your performance metrics when you get there and start defining them,

608
00:46:59,220 --> 00:47:05,240
going to be creating a positive delta of more things that are in their silo or hours

609
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:09,980
or that space of cooperation in the middle, you're trying to create more events.

610
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:17,060
That's correct. And we're trying to be able to do it through targeted and effective resources.

611
00:47:17,060 --> 00:47:26,440
Yeah, and final note, in traffic, it takes longer to get from O'Hare to McCormick Center than it does to push to here.

612
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:33,440
So I don't really see, you know, and if we're successful at this, those additional flight

613
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,580
itineraries, it'll come, but anyway, thank you very much for what you're doing.

614
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:38,000
Right.

615
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:39,600
Thank you.

616
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,000
Other questions, Mr. Wright?

617
00:47:42,660 --> 00:47:48,680
Sure. So I have a question regarding number six. So the pillar six pillar leisure event strategy.

618
00:47:48,820 --> 00:47:55,200
Yep. You know, right now we have we have some things that are being talked about plan multi-events

619
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,920
center early phases of just discussion on it. We have our RFP out for folks that want to use Wolfpin

620
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:05,320
differently, which is I'm sure you're familiar with. Is part of this study, especially the data

621
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:11,040
driven part, going to be like a min max? I do believe there is a point where because the market's kind

622
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,800
of barren right now that we could very quickly over saturate it with events.

623
00:48:14,220 --> 00:48:17,620
Yep. Well, that'd be a recommendation that minimum you should probably be doing this

624
00:48:17,620 --> 00:48:21,160
number of events and probably don't go over 200 knots a year or something like that.

625
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,520
Let me say yes, but I want to put yes and quotes there because I think there's a, um, there's

626
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,900
a min-max part of that and then there's also the point of what events do we want to have.

627
00:48:31,060 --> 00:48:31,160
Sure.

628
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:36,500
And I think that part of what we're advocating for here is to be able to come back and

629
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:42,220
say this is really how we're going to assess events when it comes to are they the right

630
00:48:42,220 --> 00:48:48,740
event and so it's both number and right and the other thing is putting resources and time

631
00:48:48,740 --> 00:48:55,540
into really collaborating but very much in depth with the vendor organizers because this is more

632
00:48:55,540 --> 00:49:00,060
the key thing here is this is more than just saying we're going to sponsor events. This is saying we're

633
00:49:00,060 --> 00:49:03,140
going to get involved with trying to figure out which ones I think Councilmember are going to have

634
00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:08,580
the most impact. So it really should be both, both midmax or should probably be a calendar

635
00:49:08,580 --> 00:49:11,980
that we all look at together and see this is what we're trying to do. But again, are

636
00:49:11,980 --> 00:49:18,180
they the right events? And it's not just about selling and promising. It's about servicing

637
00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:22,860
the events while they're here, which is one of the things that I think our tourism group

638
00:49:22,860 --> 00:49:29,300
has really built to try to do with certain sectors are already working, but it's servicing

639
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:33,380
them while they're here is another key point because you want them. Absolutely, absolutely.

640
00:49:37,540 --> 00:49:43,980
Miss McLean. Sorry, I bolted during your presentation, a little emergency at the house.

641
00:49:44,140 --> 00:49:49,800
But anyway, as I'm looking through these, we've got five of the six are very heavily sex

642
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:54,100
as an am centric and granted, I mean, they are right across the street and they are big

643
00:49:54,100 --> 00:50:00,540
and they would be a phenomenal partner and just about any venture. Are we missing any opportunities

644
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,400
that aren't necessarily captured in this leisure event strategy?

645
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,460
Are we putting all of our eggs in one basket, so to speak?

646
00:50:08,860 --> 00:50:15,520
Yeah, I think the way I would characterize that is that the breadth within the leisure event strategy is really significant.

647
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:22,140
So that I think sometimes people tend to think of that as that like two or four events and that's it or what is that.

648
00:50:22,660 --> 00:50:28,480
We really and the committee was very focused on a myriad of opportunities there.

649
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,680
And part of the reason to think about this at this stage is when it comes to new brick

650
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:33,100
and mortar.

651
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,180
So let's talk about a new attraction or a new this.

652
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:41,840
Notice we haven't talked about that here because we do want to make sure that one of the

653
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,100
outcomes of this plan that the council can see now is we're trying to come up with recommendations

654
00:50:46,100 --> 00:50:47,720
that we know we can move on.

655
00:50:48,660 --> 00:50:53,880
But you're pulling about longer term, could there be strategies in terms of asset development?

656
00:50:54,540 --> 00:50:56,220
We'll come back and talk more about that.

657
00:50:56,220 --> 00:50:59,280
We really wanted to sort of focus on these today, but it's a good point.

658
00:51:01,420 --> 00:51:04,920
Okay, I see no other hands raised. As I

659
00:51:05,660 --> 00:51:07,960
Jeremiah, once you come back up and

660
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:10,740
You're

661
00:51:10,740 --> 00:51:16,000
I think you're getting a pretty positive response from the group up here, but I don't know how

662
00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:25,800
How what form you want that response in? Yeah, if if the council is approving of these six being the pillars that council wants to move forward

663
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,520
which is positivity that we're hearing,

664
00:51:27,820 --> 00:51:29,420
then we'll move forward with bringing

665
00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:31,800
the action items back in the true plan

666
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,080
of a form in the future.

667
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,040
I guess my only reservation

668
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,620
would be exactly what Ms. McLean

669
00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:40,020
just raised and that is there's a big world out there

670
00:51:40,020 --> 00:51:42,740
that doesn't all depend on university.

671
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:46,180
I think it'd probably be the low hanging fruit

672
00:51:46,180 --> 00:51:50,160
is right there, have it been 44 years working

673
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:51,820
in the faculty of Texas A&M.

674
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,580
I've often wondered why we don't have

675
00:51:54,580 --> 00:51:59,780
more interaction and more attraction for that. So I would hope that if you want to call

676
00:51:59,780 --> 00:52:05,020
the six pillars, that number six is much broader than the other five. And that probably

677
00:52:05,020 --> 00:52:10,620
doesn't need to be forgotten for sure. I think that's sort of.

678
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:18,280
And I would not say they are equal in extent or equal like it is not like number two is

679
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,480
going to take the same amount of time as number one or number three. That would be more

680
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,000
fully fleshed out in the. I guess the word pillars maybe is what makes me

681
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:32,540
think that you're talking about equal structural pillars and only one of them

682
00:52:32,540 --> 00:52:37,780
deals with anything outside the university so Mr. Mr. White has a chance in

683
00:52:37,780 --> 00:52:42,520
this field. Thank you so much for making all this up. This is don't read in between

684
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:49,600
this. Does the city of Brian have a tourism strategic plan? I would guess so.

685
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,440
You think so? I think so? Yes, I'm not a I'm not a.

686
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:59,360
Are you familiar? Did they look at? Did the committee look at that plan if they have it?

687
00:52:59,460 --> 00:53:02,860
Not that. We want to do. I just know it's curious if our

688
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:08,940
sister city has a strategic plan to bring in visitors.

689
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:15,620
The organization is called destination by. I'm not sure I think does have pretty clear strategy.

690
00:53:15,620 --> 00:53:18,820
you anyway, I don't know how it's embedded, but it's certainly, certainly somewhere out

691
00:53:18,820 --> 00:53:19,300
of be looking at.

692
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:20,480
Yeah, I would agree.

693
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:23,920
And I think what I would say about that is that we have two different organizations

694
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,820
going after two different things, right?

695
00:53:26,220 --> 00:53:26,640
And I understand.

696
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,460
And so I think that that's the conversation, is that there's places we collaborate, places

697
00:53:30,460 --> 00:53:31,360
that we go on our own.

698
00:53:31,860 --> 00:53:36,820
Our staff is extremely meetings focused, as you see through these lines, which is something

699
00:53:36,820 --> 00:53:39,520
that maybe they focus a little bit less on.

700
00:53:39,620 --> 00:53:44,640
And so the excitement of this is that this would be the first strategic plan under visit

701
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:49,120
College Station. And so this would be our first true strategic plan just for tourism.

702
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:55,940
Very exciting. Thank you. Okay. I don't think I'm overstepping my bounds by saying that

703
00:53:55,940 --> 00:54:02,900
the sound seems to me that you have a good committee to work with, obviously, and they seem to be

704
00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:10,560
excited about what this project and planning activities brought to them. And if they're excited

705
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:15,100
about it then we will be excited about it for sure because they are an important committee that

706
00:54:15,940 --> 00:54:21,000
represents the council in the city and in these endeavors. So is there any objection to

707
00:54:22,540 --> 00:54:24,480
endorsing where they are and telling them to go forward?

708
00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:32,560
Is the nodding of heads and if that's good enough for you then we will move on. Thank you.

709
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:33,600
Thank you very much.

710
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:42,980
Okay. Item 7.2 on our workshop agenda. Thank you for making the presentation. Dan and

711
00:54:42,980 --> 00:54:45,480
committee members appreciate you being here.

712
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,920
Item 7.2, presentation, discussion, possible

713
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:56,800
action, Texas NM, off campus student services presentation. Barbara Moore is going to introduce

714
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,260
this and the participants. Welcome.

715
00:55:00,260 --> 00:55:00,380
Welcome.

716
00:55:00,780 --> 00:55:05,540
Leave New Mary Council, Barbara Moore University and Community Relations Manager, and this evening

717
00:55:05,540 --> 00:55:11,000
we have with us Assistant Director Jacqueline of Shaw Brown and Community Lays on Nicky

718
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,100
McDaniel to talk about some of the activities of the off-campus student services office.

719
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:22,380
As many of y'all know, the office was reestablished in 2023 by the end-general Brigadier Joseph

720
00:55:22,380 --> 00:55:28,200
Ramirez, and now it is headed by Dr. William Kibler, and the group will talk tonight about some

721
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,220
with their activities, some of the ways we've partnered and some of the things you can

722
00:55:31,220 --> 00:55:32,240
see from them going forward.

723
00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:33,980
Thank you.

724
00:55:34,220 --> 00:55:41,040
Welcome to the podium and we look forward to your update and recall you have been here before

725
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,220
and thank you for coming back.

726
00:55:43,660 --> 00:55:44,060
Howdy.

727
00:55:44,180 --> 00:55:47,560
Well, thank you for inviting us up to provide a quick update.

728
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,240
And reduce yourselves again for us.

729
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:49,920
Absolutely.

730
00:55:50,220 --> 00:55:51,400
I'm Jacqueline Upshot-Brown.

731
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:56,240
I'm an assistant director and student life and I oversee our off-campus student services team.

732
00:55:56,900 --> 00:56:01,420
And I'm Nikki McDaniel. I'm the community liaison for off-campus student services.

733
00:56:02,220 --> 00:56:12,000
Okay. All right. So, oh, I guess we're going to let Nikki start it off and just let you know a little bit about where we are situated in our department.

734
00:56:14,340 --> 00:56:24,980
Okay. So off-campus student services is situated within student life. We work to learn and to teach our students the holistic method

735
00:56:24,980 --> 00:56:30,860
it as to how to get along, how to work throughout the campus.

736
00:56:31,620 --> 00:56:36,760
So we work with different ones, so we work with student assistance services for basic

737
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:37,900
needs and support.

738
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:45,600
We partner with SMVP, which is Substance Misuse Violence Prevention, and that's for party

739
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:46,520
smart programming.

740
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:52,980
We also work with NSFP, which is the new student and family programs, and that's to deliver

741
00:56:52,980 --> 00:56:58,900
information to families and students and we also connect the students with our

742
00:56:58,900 --> 00:57:01,380
student attorney and for legal advice.

743
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,000
What we do, so in a nutshell, our

744
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:12,180
department exists to provide education, outreach and support to our students to

745
00:57:12,180 --> 00:57:16,720
help them succeed. Throughout this presentation we'll share different updates

746
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:22,040
about off-campus student services and how and what we've done over the past year.

747
00:57:25,130 --> 00:57:43,630
Alright, in the area of educational programs, some highlights for you, the first thing is we had a pretty, I guess, an increase in presence in our new student orientation that all incoming students undergo this past summer.

748
00:57:43,630 --> 00:57:49,190
So it's a two-part orientation process, and for several years we've had some content

749
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:55,850
about off-campus living in the mandatory online orientation that students complete prior

750
00:57:55,850 --> 00:57:58,350
to coming to campus for their new student conference.

751
00:57:59,070 --> 00:58:03,050
So we continue that. It provides information about living off-campus,

752
00:58:03,290 --> 00:58:05,930
about local city ordinances, how to be a good neighbor.

753
00:58:06,550 --> 00:58:12,970
But this year for the first time, we were asked to create an interactive 45-minute

754
00:58:13,630 --> 00:58:18,230
presentation that all students had in person when they came for their new student conferences.

755
00:58:18,850 --> 00:58:23,830
So we reinforced that information about living off campus, but we also asked them to engage

756
00:58:23,830 --> 00:58:29,810
in some practice when it came to how would you handle common challenges with your neighbors,

757
00:58:30,130 --> 00:58:36,410
with your roommates, with your landlord. How do you be a good neighbor within the community

758
00:58:36,410 --> 00:58:43,430
of Brian College Station. And I think they had a great time. It was successful and they

759
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:48,910
learned a lot based on what we're seeing with them coming into the office and following

760
00:58:48,910 --> 00:58:54,510
up on that throughout the semester afterward. We've also enhanced our efforts to provide

761
00:58:54,510 --> 00:58:59,750
some information related to safety and security for the students living off campus. So that's

762
00:58:59,750 --> 00:59:05,850
everything ranging from fire prevention awareness, their personal safety, home security,

763
00:59:05,850 --> 00:59:10,550
things to keep in mind if they're traveling away from their college

764
00:59:10,550 --> 00:59:15,330
station home during holidays and breaks and so forth and that's come in the

765
00:59:15,330 --> 00:59:18,950
form of printed materials that we provide at different occasions and also

766
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:23,770
digital content and then when it comes to online engagement of course very

767
00:59:23,770 --> 00:59:30,030
important with our students of today so our departmental social media accounts are

768
00:59:30,030 --> 00:59:35,410
used to share a lot of information that's helpful for students last week they

769
00:59:35,410 --> 00:59:39,270
They were quizzing students on the rules of the road when you're writing a scooter or

770
00:59:39,270 --> 00:59:45,690
a bike around town and providing some clarification for the students who may have been a smidge

771
00:59:45,690 --> 00:59:47,050
off base on some of those things.

772
00:59:47,490 --> 00:59:51,670
But it's fun to watch kind of the educational content and the engagement that they get

773
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:55,110
with the students in an approachable way for our population.

774
00:59:55,110 --> 00:59:58,910
We have also conducted some virtual leasing workshops.

775
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,380
Both targeted to students and also some families of incoming students who might be a little overwhelmed by the prospect of choosing housing for their students for the following year. And we've contributed some parent and family articles to a platform managed by our new student family programs office that provide information again for families that they need to know in supporting their off campus students. So that platform's called campus ESP.

776
01:00:29,380 --> 01:00:34,420
And they have 120,000 family members with accounts.

777
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,680
They shared earlier this week that they have an open rate

778
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,720
of 75,000 people who read this monthly newsletter

779
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:43,480
that comes out.

780
01:00:44,020 --> 01:00:47,280
So when we have information to share with family members,

781
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,420
it's a really good way to reach them.

782
01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:53,800
And we have recently been going through the process of launching

783
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:58,900
a special off-campus family's community within that platform

784
01:00:58,900 --> 01:01:03,760
so that we can be a little bit more strategic and targeted and sharing that information with parents and families.

785
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:10,980
Okay, so our outreach.

786
01:01:11,740 --> 01:01:16,520
Of course, the city has graciously helped us host the carnival.

787
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,460
Our carnival, we had 1,500 attendees.

788
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:29,780
We also had truly positive feedback from our students showing and telling us that they enjoyed everything from the food,

789
01:01:29,780 --> 01:01:33,840
to the resources, the local resources, different things like that.

790
01:01:34,500 --> 01:01:40,520
We also hosted a party smart watch party, which was an away game,

791
01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:43,040
and we hosted an alcohol free environment.

792
01:01:43,540 --> 01:01:50,740
We had partners from City Code Enforcement, UPD University Police Department,

793
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,260
UHS University Health Services.

794
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,580
And we also had Texas agriculture life bring their driving simulator.

795
01:01:57,580 --> 01:02:00,060
so that was a huge success also.

796
01:02:00,740 --> 01:02:04,060
We would like to give a special thanks also to the city.

797
01:02:04,140 --> 01:02:07,300
We collaborated together on what we called the Hall

798
01:02:07,300 --> 01:02:08,680
and Health donation drive.

799
01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:10,620
This was our first year doing it.

800
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,540
We had a passion.

801
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:19,040
The city, they did not want a lot of newly nice use equipment

802
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:23,160
and different furniture going to the land fields.

803
01:02:23,660 --> 01:02:26,640
In turn, we wanted the students to give something back

804
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:34,020
to Bryant College Station and both passions were truly achieved we were able to bless and

805
01:02:34,020 --> 01:02:39,600
help numerous families. The students were able to do that and we were also blessed to not have

806
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:47,200
a lot of items go back into the landfill. We've had community lunchens where we put together the

807
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:54,140
local residents and our students in a room and a round table setting to help us just come together,

808
01:02:54,140 --> 01:02:56,620
give positive feedback towards each other,

809
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,200
uplift each other, meet in greets,

810
01:02:59,660 --> 01:03:01,940
and we've also hosted numerous presentations

811
01:03:01,940 --> 01:03:06,440
with our Aggie Moms Club and other groups around Texas A&M.

812
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:12,690
All right, and then finally on the support piece,

813
01:03:12,890 --> 01:03:16,030
a little bit to share with you

814
01:03:16,030 --> 01:03:17,730
about our individual consultation.

815
01:03:18,090 --> 01:03:21,110
So this is a student is having some sort of issue

816
01:03:21,550 --> 01:03:25,030
reaches out to the department and is connected with us

817
01:03:25,030 --> 01:03:26,550
for off-campus housing support.

818
01:03:27,830 --> 01:03:35,270
We saw over 120 student cases for last academic year, which was our second year of existence,

819
01:03:35,950 --> 01:03:43,630
but looking at the numbers from summer of 2025, there was a 200 percent increase in those

820
01:03:43,630 --> 01:03:49,250
consultations over the summer, and I have to credit those new student conference presentations

821
01:03:49,250 --> 01:03:53,010
for a lot of that and making students more aware that we're there to support them.

822
01:03:53,010 --> 01:03:58,670
We, of course, do not have our final numbers for fall of 25, but it has felt very busy,

823
01:03:58,710 --> 01:04:00,590
so I'll be curious to see what that looks like.

824
01:04:01,830 --> 01:04:07,610
When we receive those consultations, issues addressed or anything ranging from a landlord

825
01:04:07,610 --> 01:04:13,370
or maintenance issue to I'm having a roommate conflict, we are all trained mediators, so

826
01:04:13,370 --> 01:04:20,230
we can help address some of those things, housing search assistance, pretty broad variety

827
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:26,050
of questions that we do receive and a lot of times we can point them in the right direction

828
01:04:26,050 --> 01:04:30,610
but we'll also connect them with additional resources whether that is basic need support

829
01:04:30,610 --> 01:04:37,350
or legal advice any of our campus or community partners who might be able to help them out.

830
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:42,310
I also wanted to share a little bit about our good neighbor network. I know we talked about that

831
01:04:42,310 --> 01:04:49,190
about six months ago and we did have our application cycle for the current academic year. We've got

832
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:53,770
30 properties who applied this year, which is about a 50% increase over last year.

833
01:04:54,330 --> 01:04:59,270
So I feel but good about that growth. We did bring on board some properties in different

834
01:04:59,270 --> 01:05:05,470
parts of town and different price points, which I think is good to offer a variety of properties

835
01:05:05,470 --> 01:05:11,350
within that network. And I have to say there haven't been a lot of issues with our good name for

836
01:05:11,350 --> 01:05:17,610
network properties, but we haven't been able to bring about an expedited resolution of some maintenance

837
01:05:17,610 --> 01:05:23,850
issues where you know unfortunately sometimes we'd find it was August and

838
01:05:23,850 --> 01:05:27,070
everyone had just moved in and someone's maintenance request was buried in a

839
01:05:27,070 --> 01:05:31,850
pile of 1200 and the manager just hadn't become aware of it yet. Maybe there

840
01:05:31,850 --> 01:05:36,230
was a slow response but by having those open lines of communication we were able

841
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:41,410
to get things moving a little quicker or you know I'm having an issue with my

842
01:05:41,410 --> 01:05:45,170
roommates and it's just not going to work so maybe we can get people moved into

843
01:05:45,170 --> 01:05:53,470
of different units to help out with that. But again, not a lot of issues. It's gone very smoothly.

844
01:05:54,370 --> 01:05:58,210
And then finally, I wanted to share a little bit about what our department is calling

845
01:05:58,210 --> 01:06:04,750
micro-engagement. So we've come to recognize that a big blowout event is not always the best way

846
01:06:04,750 --> 01:06:12,390
to connect with students. Sometimes a small-scale program where they're able to connect more one-on-one

847
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:17,970
with staff members and other students is very meaningful to our students who are overwhelmed

848
01:06:17,970 --> 01:06:23,230
in this large environment often. So we've been hosting a variety of these programs whether

849
01:06:23,230 --> 01:06:28,350
it's inviting them into the student life center to do an activity or meet others who have similar

850
01:06:28,350 --> 01:06:34,490
interests or going out to the apartment communities to put up a table and answer questions they may have

851
01:06:34,490 --> 01:06:40,670
about living off campus wherever they are. To just hop in on a golf cart with some goody bags

852
01:06:40,670 --> 01:06:46,410
and going around and introducing ourselves, maybe asking them a question that will help

853
01:06:46,410 --> 01:06:52,210
us understand more about our students' needs. But we have been connecting with a lot more

854
01:06:52,790 --> 01:07:00,530
students one-on-one in that way this semester. And with that, those are the highlights of

855
01:07:00,530 --> 01:07:04,530
what we wanted to provide, but we are definitely open to answer any questions you may have for

856
01:07:04,530 --> 01:07:04,890
us.

857
01:07:04,890 --> 01:07:07,830
I got one or two and then we'll see if others have.

858
01:07:08,250 --> 01:07:11,590
So back to the previous slide, the Good Neighbor Network

859
01:07:11,590 --> 01:07:14,590
as you know, intersects tremendously

860
01:07:14,590 --> 01:07:16,110
with some concerns that we've had.

861
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:19,530
And we're pleased, no, at least I am pleased

862
01:07:19,530 --> 01:07:22,150
to know that you've introduced that effort,

863
01:07:23,050 --> 01:07:24,790
50% increase over last year.

864
01:07:24,930 --> 01:07:26,650
Well, that's just a start-up kind of thing.

865
01:07:27,930 --> 01:07:30,890
30 properties represents how many beds or bedrooms.

866
01:07:31,410 --> 01:07:33,330
I don't have a total number of beds.

867
01:07:33,330 --> 01:07:36,650
I could get it just haven't added that some of them are pretty large.

868
01:07:36,770 --> 01:07:42,050
Well, I'm comparing that with what I hear is something like 40 or 45,000 students that

869
01:07:42,050 --> 01:07:44,170
live off campus in the city of College Station.

870
01:07:44,270 --> 01:07:44,430
Right.

871
01:07:44,890 --> 01:07:45,970
And certainly.

872
01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:49,290
And Brian as well, because you cover some of those properties in Brian.

873
01:07:49,290 --> 01:07:49,990
That's for sure.

874
01:07:50,290 --> 01:07:50,450
Yes.

875
01:07:50,670 --> 01:07:52,530
My question is, do you have a goal?

876
01:07:52,750 --> 01:07:57,050
Are you pushing that to try to get that to 60, 80, 100 properties?

877
01:07:57,370 --> 01:07:59,190
I don't have a real idea.

878
01:07:59,190 --> 01:08:04,150
obviously the apartment association is involved in the somehow at least you

879
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:09,370
work with them because many of these properties are members of that we've had

880
01:08:09,370 --> 01:08:15,070
some help from them sharing the opportunity I don't have a set number that's a

881
01:08:15,070 --> 01:08:19,290
goal honestly the more collaborative and communicative we can be with

882
01:08:19,290 --> 01:08:24,590
local properties that I think the better it'll be so we did make some efforts to

883
01:08:24,590 --> 01:08:28,830
hit the the streets with some flyers and share with some properties again

884
01:08:28,830 --> 01:08:32,030
and that may not always identify as student housing,

885
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:35,090
but we still have a lot of students living everywhere.

886
01:08:35,750 --> 01:08:38,210
So yeah, we're working on it.

887
01:08:38,330 --> 01:08:41,590
I guess one metric would be how much,

888
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:46,330
you, how many inquiries you get prior

889
01:08:46,330 --> 01:08:47,610
to people signing contracts,

890
01:08:47,970 --> 01:08:50,230
particularly among freshmen coming from elsewhere

891
01:08:50,750 --> 01:08:53,590
that actually look at that list and use your list

892
01:08:54,370 --> 01:08:57,530
as it's intended to kind of share with families

893
01:08:57,530 --> 01:09:05,690
in potentially prospective students, these are properties that you can count on, at least with

894
01:09:05,690 --> 01:09:11,790
a scarred to the list of ethical practices that they will consider, or will provide.

895
01:09:12,010 --> 01:09:12,870
Commit, yes.

896
01:09:13,210 --> 01:09:18,870
And so do you have much, do you have a count on how many times you that part of the website

897
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:19,370
gets hit?

898
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:26,370
Again, I'm afraid I do not, but I could probably work with our vendor that hosts the website

899
01:09:26,970 --> 01:09:32,630
I think it would be anything you can do, and I know working with Barbara, she gets these

900
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:40,030
same kinds of concerns and questions from us, and more you can do to enhance and promote

901
01:09:40,030 --> 01:09:46,490
that good neighbor network is certainly, I think, beneficial to the entire community citizens

902
01:09:46,490 --> 01:09:47,990
as well as the renters.

903
01:09:48,590 --> 01:09:49,250
Thank you.

904
01:09:49,530 --> 01:09:50,130
Other questions?

905
01:09:51,050 --> 01:09:51,990
Do I see any, Mr. White?

906
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:59,870
Yes, thank you so much. Very informative. Glad that we're doing the outreach and it sounds like it's very very positive.

907
01:10:00,150 --> 01:10:07,650
A couple of things that I want to bring. I see that you actually do a kind of engagement with code officers.

908
01:10:08,130 --> 01:10:13,750
Yes. How did that go? I thought I think that's fascinating to work with some code officers. That well received?

909
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:23,370
Sure. I mean, we, the way that it works is we pick a day. We're actually doing one next week

910
01:10:23,370 --> 01:10:31,210
in a neighborhood that has been nominated by our code enforcement partners. And we put together

911
01:10:31,210 --> 01:10:38,510
some bags of information around, again, local ordinances as well as just some good neighbor party smart

912
01:10:38,510 --> 01:10:43,510
practices that, again, our code enforcement people believe the residents of that neighborhood

913
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:50,690
could benefit from receiving. And so we put together a team. I think we have paired up one

914
01:10:50,690 --> 01:10:56,650
or two university staff members with a code officer or two and walked through that neighborhood

915
01:10:56,650 --> 01:11:01,410
and knocked on doors and greet the students and just provide a friendly face and say, hey,

916
01:11:01,410 --> 01:11:08,090
we're providing some information. And I think the students have been very friendly and appreciative

917
01:11:08,090 --> 01:11:13,770
of the outreach. I think it's a great program. Thank you. One last one last thought and

918
01:11:13,770 --> 01:11:19,890
and I wanted to compliment you again. It sounds like your newsletter outreach 75,000 to the

919
01:11:19,890 --> 01:11:26,150
family and to the to the students is outstanding. Do y'all put any there about see it click it from

920
01:11:26,150 --> 01:11:34,030
the city? Do y'all do any promotion on that program that the city has? Yes, we have been sharing about

921
01:11:34,030 --> 01:11:40,050
see-click fix in presentations that we do are leasing presentations as well as content

922
01:11:40,050 --> 01:11:45,390
for how do we handle an issue with a property. We do try to include that.

923
01:11:45,730 --> 01:11:48,710
Thank you all for your work very good. Thank you.

924
01:11:50,090 --> 01:11:57,050
I'll start with you and then we'll go to Ms. Chansey.

925
01:11:57,270 --> 01:12:03,950
Thank you, Mayor. So it might be interesting to see you guys cross-post with our city of

926
01:12:03,950 --> 01:12:11,990
website, our Facebook, social media, all the places, and I for one would be very excited

927
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:17,890
to see the rules of the road that you're sharing with students because I'm not really

928
01:12:17,890 --> 01:12:26,110
sure what those rules are and drop through the text as Walton, New Main Intersection a

929
01:12:26,110 --> 01:12:33,930
couple of times a day and I feel very uninformed and I don't know that I am playing by the

930
01:12:33,930 --> 01:12:40,670
same rules as those on scooters and bikes, and unicycles, and all the things.

931
01:12:41,370 --> 01:12:44,670
You are not alone in your confusion, I am afraid.

932
01:12:45,630 --> 01:12:46,970
I'm glad to know that.

933
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:49,050
Mr. Hatsy?

934
01:12:49,690 --> 01:12:51,430
Thanks for the presentation.

935
01:12:51,610 --> 01:12:57,390
On your health-related violence prevention, suicide prevention, substance abuse, counseling,

936
01:12:58,870 --> 01:13:00,350
pregnancy outreach, and assistance.

937
01:13:00,730 --> 01:13:03,010
Are you guys working with the county health department?

938
01:13:03,010 --> 01:13:03,970
And I'm just wondering, are you

939
01:13:03,970 --> 01:13:05,430
provide a health district at all?

940
01:13:05,730 --> 01:13:07,370
Because they have a lot of resources,

941
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:08,690
license counselors,

942
01:13:09,210 --> 01:13:11,410
they can even provision some health

943
01:13:11,410 --> 01:13:13,410
care services that are reduced or

944
01:13:13,410 --> 01:13:15,630
are at no cost.

945
01:13:16,290 --> 01:13:17,350
And I'm just wondering, are you

946
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:19,910
facilitating that connection,

947
01:13:20,030 --> 01:13:20,550
that resource?

948
01:13:21,070 --> 01:13:23,970
Yes, so we have invited them to

949
01:13:23,970 --> 01:13:25,610
functions. I believe they were at

950
01:13:25,610 --> 01:13:28,510
the carnival to provide information.

951
01:13:29,210 --> 01:13:31,950
Those specific areas are not necessarily

952
01:13:31,950 --> 01:13:33,410
within our direct wheelhouse.

953
01:13:33,550 --> 01:13:35,430
Those are areas where we do connect students

954
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:38,230
to our partners in university health services

955
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:41,390
and substance use and violence prevention.

956
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:45,090
So there may be more partnership going on there

957
01:13:45,090 --> 01:13:48,830
than I am aware of, but we have had a presence for a while.

958
01:13:48,830 --> 01:13:50,070
Okay, I saw that in your slide.

959
01:13:50,290 --> 01:13:52,790
You're saying you hand those off to a university resource

960
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:54,990
and there may be collaboration between the county.

961
01:13:54,990 --> 01:13:57,190
There may be more than I am aware of, yes.

962
01:13:57,950 --> 01:13:58,450
Great.

963
01:13:58,670 --> 01:13:59,370
Thank you very much.

964
01:13:59,730 --> 01:14:07,490
I think that the same thing probably goes for the minors in possession education program,

965
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:18,530
which I think our municipal judge has long been involved in training education for young

966
01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:21,750
people that are cited for minor in possession.

967
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:28,830
and I think in the last year he has worked to make that become part of what you put,

968
01:14:29,050 --> 01:14:33,570
not in the other off-campus student, but in the alcohol awareness group, is that correct?

969
01:14:33,790 --> 01:14:40,590
Yes, he's worked very closely with Dr. Lauren Dorsett, who oversees that substance abuse violence prevention team

970
01:14:40,590 --> 01:14:45,690
to streamline those processes and kind of collaborate,

971
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:49,510
make sure that they're rowing in the same direction, not duplicating efforts

972
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:51,890
so that they can meet that need more effectively.

973
01:14:52,230 --> 01:14:57,270
Yeah, I think they have a regular class of some kind, correct?

974
01:14:57,630 --> 01:14:59,530
Yes, the alcohol education workshop.

975
01:15:12,860 --> 01:15:31,600
Thank you both for your update and presentation. We thank you for doing that. I think there's a lot more to be done, but you are pointing in the right direction. We work certainly with Barbara Moore and, and, uh,

976
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:37,720
her staff to try to keep up to date on up as good to have you here as well thank you so much good

977
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:45,520
thank you anything further barber from you I should have brought you back up here before they

978
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:51,760
left that's okay tatlin just reminded me a little while ago that they are also our partners

979
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:57,560
along with the president's office of community engagement to bring the 2026 international town

980
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:04,640
and gown conference here to College Station May 19th through 22nd of 2026 so we're super excited

981
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:10,540
about that Dr. Schaefer went this year it was at Ken State University in Kent Ohio and we are

982
01:16:10,540 --> 01:16:16,600
super excited to welcome people from around the country and around the National as well here

983
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:21,060
to College Station to learn more about town and gown operations so they've been great partners with

984
01:16:21,060 --> 01:16:24,880
us along with the president's office for community engagement and we're looking forward to bringing

985
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,000
that conference here next year.

986
01:16:26,820 --> 01:16:28,620
Thank you very much for reminding me of that.

987
01:16:29,020 --> 01:16:31,600
We're definitely supporting that program.

988
01:16:32,540 --> 01:16:36,640
Okay, that takes care of our workshop agenda.

989
01:16:36,900 --> 01:16:38,800
We'll now move to the regular agenda,

990
01:16:38,900 --> 01:16:42,080
which many of you were here to learn about,

991
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,160
and to participate in.

992
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:49,860
Item 8.1 is a public hearing presentation

993
01:16:49,860 --> 01:16:52,460
discussion and possible action regarding an ordinance.

994
01:16:52,460 --> 01:17:20,760
Amending Appendix A UDO Article 4 is owning district section 4.2 official zoning map of the code of ordinance to City of Cal State and Texas by changing the zoning district boundary from our rural to GS General Suburban for approximately 237.65 acres generally located on Greensbury Road east of the intersection of Greensbury Road and WS Phillips Parkway, Ms. Maceus is the staff.

995
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:32,240
of responsible person will make her presentation first and then we will hear from our PNZ representative, and then we'll go to the open meeting.

996
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:38,960
Good evening mayor, city council, Robin Macias, planning and development services.

997
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:46,680
Tomorrow's request is to rezone approximately 237 acres from our rule to GS General Suburban.

998
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:53,240
This thought is one of the last remaining large acres of undeveloped property that is within

999
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:54,140
the city limits.

1000
01:17:54,940 --> 01:17:59,840
It is a long green sparing road and adjacent to a residential subdivision that is in

1001
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,220
the ETJ and a green sparing reserve subdivision.

1002
01:18:06,430 --> 01:18:11,710
This property is designated as suburban residential on the conference of plan future land use

1003
01:18:11,710 --> 01:18:12,010
map.

1004
01:18:12,010 --> 01:18:18,230
Suburban residential is primarily single-family residential areas that consist of low-to-moderate

1005
01:18:18,230 --> 01:18:24,210
density single-family lots, development types tend to be consistent with a subdivision

1006
01:18:24,210 --> 01:18:29,670
of a neighborhood. The intent is to accommodate sidewalks and lighting, encourage community

1007
01:18:29,670 --> 01:18:34,910
facilities, parkways, and greenways within the neighborhoods and to provide pedestrian and

1008
01:18:34,910 --> 01:18:41,810
vehicular connectivity to adjacent developments. About 47% of the city is designated as Suburban

1009
01:18:41,810 --> 01:18:43,390
residential on the conference of plan.

1010
01:18:46,420 --> 01:18:50,600
Like I mentioned earlier, the request tonight is to reason the property from our rural to

1011
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:51,920
GS General Suburban.

1012
01:18:52,980 --> 01:18:58,160
Other subdivisions in this area that are zoned General Suburban are Cassellgate 2 and Bruster

1013
01:18:58,160 --> 01:18:58,480
Point.

1014
01:18:59,460 --> 01:19:04,520
Cassellgate and Creek Meadows are zoned PDD with a base of General Suburban.

1015
01:19:05,380 --> 01:19:10,940
And Green Spring Reserve is zoned PDD with a base of restricted Suburban, but does have modifications

1016
01:19:10,940 --> 01:19:22,920
locations to allow for areas with a minimum amount area of 4,600 square feet, and other areas to allow for townhome developments with a minimum amount area of 3,450 square feet.

1017
01:19:24,940 --> 01:19:31,400
This item was heard at the September 18th planning and zoning commission meeting where they voted against the proposal.

1018
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:41,460
This item was originally scheduled for the October 9th city council meeting, but the applicant did decide to pull that item from that meeting in order to host to.

1019
01:19:41,460 --> 01:19:48,320
two public meetings. Each one had about 15 attendees. The majority of concerns that

1020
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:55,780
we heard were regarding the maximum allowable density and the potential builder. So while

1021
01:19:55,780 --> 01:20:01,600
the maximum allowable density is 8 units per acre in general suburban, it isn't attainable

1022
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:07,060
given the requirements for infrastructure drainage, parkland, and streets. The city has

1023
01:20:07,060 --> 01:20:12,180
As reviewed, this reasoning request against the criteria in the UDO in recommends approval.

1024
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:17,340
I am available for questions and the applicant is as well and they do have a presentation.

1025
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:18,980
Okay.

1026
01:20:20,100 --> 01:20:26,360
Any questions for staff before we get to the applicant's presentation?

1027
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:34,400
I want the presentation from the applicant before the PNZ person.

1028
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:39,200
and prepare the chairman will speak after that,

1029
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,660
but before the public, the list of 22 members

1030
01:20:42,660 --> 01:20:44,440
and I have signed up to speak,

1031
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,140
any questions for staff?

1032
01:20:47,500 --> 01:20:50,540
Okay, then I guess we would like the applicant

1033
01:20:50,540 --> 01:20:53,460
to come forward and make their presentation.

1034
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:59,720
And then I see Jason Cornelius, chairman of our PNZ

1035
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,180
back in the back and he will be available

1036
01:21:03,180 --> 01:21:08,700
for any question you might have, or just simply tell us how they got to their recommendation.

1037
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,920
Good evening, my name's Adam Kurt, some with DR Horton.

1038
01:21:13,540 --> 01:21:15,980
Addresses 736, Southern Point Parkway.

1039
01:21:17,060 --> 01:21:23,300
We are submitting the rezoning requests so that we can move forward with the development that will be our flagship community in the college station market.

1040
01:21:24,020 --> 01:21:31,560
The community will have a large well-landscape and impressive entrance monument and will provide community amenities such as a pool,

1041
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:37,600
playgrounds, parks, and walking trails. The entrance, the pool, and the playground will

1042
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:42,300
be constructed in the first phase of the development, and the walking trails will be constructed

1043
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:50,420
as each phase is developed. We have experienced developing a master plan community, and we'll

1044
01:21:50,420 --> 01:21:55,220
add to the value of the area, and given that we will be building and selling in this community

1045
01:21:55,620 --> 01:21:59,940
for approximately ten years, we have a vested interest in making sure this is a successful

1046
01:21:59,940 --> 01:22:00,380
community.

1047
01:22:02,440 --> 01:22:05,940
That being said, after going through the planning and zoning board meeting, it was

1048
01:22:05,940 --> 01:22:09,840
apparent some of the nearby residents have some concerns about the development proposed

1049
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:14,220
on the property. In order to get a better understanding of the resident's concerns, we

1050
01:22:14,220 --> 01:22:20,440
held two community meetings at our office. In the first community meeting, we showed the

1051
01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:25,500
concept plan that we were proposing for the community, along with the future land use plan,

1052
01:22:25,500 --> 01:22:29,600
future thoroughfare plan, drainage area maps and traffic maps.

1053
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:34,740
We received feedback from a number of the residents that attended and the consistent themes

1054
01:22:34,740 --> 01:22:40,800
of the feedback were that the adjacent residents would like some separation or step down density

1055
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,460
between their lots and the lots we're proposing.

1056
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:47,740
The residents were concerned about the connectivity between the communities.

1057
01:22:48,740 --> 01:22:53,540
The residents had concerns about the building materials on the homes and the residents

1058
01:22:53,540 --> 01:22:55,540
We're concerned about traffic on Green's Prairie Road.

1059
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:00,420
We took the feedback from the residents and we worked with our planners to mitigate the

1060
01:23:00,420 --> 01:23:05,040
concerns as best as possible and scheduled a second community meeting to present some

1061
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:05,980
possible solutions.

1062
01:23:07,700 --> 01:23:12,640
At the second community meeting, to help with concerns from the adjacent property owners,

1063
01:23:12,780 --> 01:23:14,000
we presented two different options.

1064
01:23:14,260 --> 01:23:20,300
I believe we have exhibits of those, I don't know if they can pull them up, but we're

1065
01:23:20,300 --> 01:23:22,040
We're going to pull them up on here.

1066
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:32,500
One of them option A, which I believe they're pulling up now, is, yes, this is option A,

1067
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:37,540
a little hard to see on here, I might want to zoom in just a little bit.

1068
01:23:38,180 --> 01:23:44,700
But we're proposing for all of the lots that are bordering the sweet water community and

1069
01:23:44,700 --> 01:23:48,560
the lots that are bordering the Greensboro Reserve community.

1070
01:23:48,560 --> 01:24:00,080
We're proposing a 20-foot setback or 20-foot buffer between the edge of that property and the back of our lots that would back up to their property.

1071
01:24:01,300 --> 01:24:06,820
And additionally, we also offered to do RS zoning for the lots that back up to that buffer.

1072
01:24:08,580 --> 01:24:11,200
That was the first option that gives a little bit of separation.

1073
01:24:12,340 --> 01:24:19,620
and it would also create a limit to where there's no structure is going to be within 60 feet

1074
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,800
of the outer property line of our proposed development.

1075
01:24:24,620 --> 01:24:29,140
We would also have privacy-concing at the rear property line of all of our lots.

1076
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:36,480
Now option B is the other option if you don't mind pulling that one up.

1077
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:41,540
And in this option, I might need to zoom in a little bit on this one as well.

1078
01:24:43,020 --> 01:24:54,040
We proposed a 50 foot linear park bordering sweet water and also any of the lots in greens

1079
01:24:54,040 --> 01:25:01,220
prairie reserve where the lot width is larger than 50 feet which is the majority of the greens

1080
01:25:01,220 --> 01:25:08,580
Preserve Border, the only area of the Greens Prairie Reserve proposed development, future

1081
01:25:08,580 --> 01:25:09,100
development.

1082
01:25:09,540 --> 01:25:11,380
It's a little closer to Greens Prairie Road.

1083
01:25:12,180 --> 01:25:16,120
And based on the information we've seen that appears they have 50 foot lots that back

1084
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:17,480
up directly to our property line.

1085
01:25:17,860 --> 01:25:23,040
We would not have the 50 foot linear park there, but we would have it for the other border

1086
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:24,940
to Greens Prairie Reserve.

1087
01:25:25,980 --> 01:25:35,320
And additionally, I guess any lots backing up to that 50-foot linear park were offering

1088
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:43,460
to put a minimum lots width of 60 feet, and we will have privacy fencing that backs

1089
01:25:43,460 --> 01:25:48,300
up to that linear park as well, trying to create as much separation as we can.

1090
01:25:48,300 --> 01:25:59,580
And with this scenario, there's actually 75 feet from the outer property line of our property to the nearest structure that would be developed on the property.

1091
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,060
We're really okay with either option.

1092
01:26:06,220 --> 01:26:08,820
Some of the feedback that we have gotten is that

1093
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:19,460
So we will be required to perform a traffic study to offset the impact from the additional traffic, according to the traffic impact study per code, and we will be required to mitigate the impact as required by the code. This is a valid concern that the residents have, but the city has all the codes in place to help make sure that this is properly handled.

1094
01:30:22,860 --> 01:30:31,060
In addition to the, in addition to the previously mentioned efforts we have made to address the resident's concerns, it is important to note that the city of causation commission to housing study titled

1095
01:30:31,060 --> 01:30:34,700
College Station Housing Action Plan, which was produced in 2024.

1096
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:43,160
The report states 69% of workers commute from outside the city limits in college

1097
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:47,880
station, which is a pretty staggering number, which I know is not a surprise to you all.

1098
01:30:48,860 --> 01:30:51,740
45% of the workers live outside of the county.

1099
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:56,260
All of these workers are still coming into the city every day and contributing to the traffic

1100
01:30:56,260 --> 01:31:00,360
and the city, but they're spending their income on housing and consumer goods outside

1101
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:04,000
of areas that produce tax revenue to improve the infrastructure within the city.

1102
01:31:04,820 --> 01:31:09,840
By 2030, it has estimated the report in the report that the City of College Station will

1103
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:11,380
be short 4,200 units.

1104
01:31:12,180 --> 01:31:15,860
By 2030, our proposed development only makes up about 5 to 10 percent of that shortage.

1105
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,300
The report produced a consistent theme.

1106
01:31:19,660 --> 01:31:24,440
The theme is to create and incentivize more housing units and more diverse housing types

1107
01:31:24,440 --> 01:31:26,740
by creating a proposal for two strategies.

1108
01:31:26,740 --> 01:31:32,140
strategies. The first strategy is allow and encourage increased density, with the action

1109
01:31:32,140 --> 01:31:38,640
items being amend the UDO to allow for greater density and housing variety, rezone areas

1110
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:45,540
to allow for increased density, create a process for expediting permitting or reducing fees

1111
01:31:45,540 --> 01:31:50,040
for affordable housing. The second strategy is encourage and allow

1112
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:54,800
infill development, with the action item being explore opportunities for infill development

1113
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:58,620
when amending the UDO, or rezoning for greater density.

1114
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:06,340
In closing, we believe that our proposed rezoning is in line with the five rezoning criteria items to be evaluated for the rezoning request,

1115
01:32:07,100 --> 01:32:13,600
which are whether the proposal is consistent with the comprehensive plan, it is consistent with the comprehensive land use plan,

1116
01:32:13,780 --> 01:32:19,360
the comprehensive thoroughfare plan, and the housing action plan, which we're all commissioned and approved by the City of College Station.

1117
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:24,980
Whether the usage number two would be whether the uses of permitted by the proposed zoning

1118
01:32:24,980 --> 01:32:27,860
district will be appropriate in the context of the surrounding areas.

1119
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:34,040
We are requesting GS zoning with a cap of 880 single-family lots, which is a gross

1120
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:36,440
density of 3.7 lots per acre.

1121
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:43,020
This is in line with the combined density of Castlegate 1, Castlegate 2, Creek Meadows, Castle

1122
01:32:43,020 --> 01:32:48,680
Rock, and Greensperry Reserve, which combined equal 3,600 lots in the immediate area around

1123
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:54,080
the development and result in a density of 3.7 loss per acre.

1124
01:32:56,900 --> 01:33:00,320
Number three would be whether the property to be rezoned is physically suitable for the

1125
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:01,960
proposed zoning district.

1126
01:33:02,700 --> 01:33:06,860
The property is out of the flood zone and does not have wetlands and is physically located

1127
01:33:06,860 --> 01:33:10,240
in a residential area, so it is physically suitable for the proposed zoning.

1128
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:15,480
Number four, whether there is available water, wastewater, storm water, and transportation

1129
01:33:15,480 --> 01:33:19,840
facilities generally suitable and adequate for the use is permitted by the proposed zoning

1130
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:25,240
district. All necessary for facilities are in the area and available for use by the proposed district.

1131
01:33:26,980 --> 01:33:32,640
Number five, the marketability of the property. Given the success of the surrounding communities

1132
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:37,780
being developed for single-family residential, it is clear that single-family residential is

1133
01:33:37,780 --> 01:33:44,080
marketable for this property. With all of that being said, there are a number of people here tonight

1134
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:48,080
who are in support of our proposal, and I'd like to ask them to stand up for a few minutes.

1135
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:48,940
all

1136
01:33:54,820 --> 01:33:57,820
of these people are college station residents and they all want this

1137
01:33:57,820 --> 01:34:02,780
development to happen. In the interest of saving time most of them will not

1138
01:34:02,780 --> 01:34:06,840
speak tonight, though some may still choose to do so. It is important for the

1139
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:10,780
council to know there are people here in favor providing this type of housing

1140
01:34:11,380 --> 01:34:15,720
community. We thank you for the opportunity to present tonight and ask for your

1141
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:21,380
approval of this rezoning request. Thank you now. Why don't you just stay there if

1142
01:34:21,380 --> 01:34:26,840
If you're not, unless you have somebody else coming forward, but there may be some questions from council.

1143
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:28,540
I'm going to show you that, right?

1144
01:34:29,420 --> 01:34:29,800
Notty.

1145
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:31,800
About?

1146
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:39,000
I don't think you mentioned your presentation, but what price range are you shooting for for the homes you want to put out here?

1147
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:44,560
We're estimating our price range to be somewhere between 350 and 600,000.

1148
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:53,340
And that is, you know, I would not, nothing against that at all, I would not say that's

1149
01:34:53,340 --> 01:34:56,600
obtainable housing or affordable housing by that definition at least.

1150
01:34:56,720 --> 01:35:00,660
It sounds like you're putting a product on the ground that is offered by any other

1151
01:35:00,660 --> 01:35:04,700
neighborhood in typical of this zoning, this density.

1152
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:10,480
So I just kind of want to put that immediately out there that $600,000 would not, I think, qualify

1153
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:11,460
in that range.

1154
01:35:11,460 --> 01:35:20,560
That what that I would not call that obtainable housing, which is what a lot of emails have said that it's affordable housing obtainable housing.

1155
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:26,100
I wouldn't that's I'm not saying anything negative about your product particularly.

1156
01:35:26,300 --> 01:35:31,220
I'm just saying that that is not anywhere in the realm of what I would consider obtainable or affordable housing.

1157
01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:39,340
I think by comparison, the report also says that the average sales price in college station is around $444,000.

1158
01:35:39,340 --> 01:35:45,300
So having a starting sales price of $350,000 by comparison to the average is more affordable.

1159
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:48,580
But VMW is cheap compared to a rail's Rolls-Royce, right?

1160
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:52,500
But there's still both expensive sports gloves, so, okay, thank you.

1161
01:35:54,220 --> 01:35:54,960
Mr. Wright?

1162
01:35:55,340 --> 01:36:02,040
Thank you, and let me first applaud you for pulling this down earlier and having those two public hearings.

1163
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:05,160
We really appreciate that, that's great to give the community.

1164
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:12,780
Let me just jump to kind of some of the questions that I think a lot of individuals that I received

1165
01:36:12,780 --> 01:36:14,180
emails from are curious.

1166
01:36:16,220 --> 01:36:19,200
I think density is going to be a big discussion.

1167
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:24,200
Can you do what you want to do with residential suburban?

1168
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:27,460
No, I don't believe we can do that enough.

1169
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:28,680
And why is that?

1170
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:34,800
Tell me why because it seems like the parameters that you just mentioned would fit under that

1171
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:47,960
So the resident, the RS zoning requires an average lot size of 10,000 square feet with a minimum width of, I believe, 70.

1172
01:36:48,120 --> 01:37:02,220
Now you can go lower, but for every lower, you can go down to, I think, a 6,000 square foot lot, but for every 6,000 square foot lot, you do, you have to offset that with a 14,000 square foot lot.

1173
01:37:02,220 --> 01:37:05,520
that, because the average has to be 10,000 square feet.

1174
01:37:06,540 --> 01:37:11,860
And so I think that a case study that we could use to analyze that would be Green's

1175
01:37:11,860 --> 01:37:12,860
Prairie Reserve next door.

1176
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:19,360
And originally, that property was RS, the complete, that was RS now.

1177
01:37:20,460 --> 01:37:23,680
They built some beautiful homes in there as it's a great looking community.

1178
01:37:24,980 --> 01:37:31,760
I think that, you know, the future part was probably changed to PDD with some 50 foot lots

1179
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:38,940
and mixture of lots in it for the reason that the RS zoning was too restrictive on the lot size

1180
01:37:38,940 --> 01:37:46,040
and you're really limiting your buyer pool when you go into there and additionally we see from

1181
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:51,840
a lot of buyers is that a lot of buyers these days don't want a really large yard. They want the

1182
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:57,340
common areas that are maintained by the HOA. They want the shared pool. They want that so that they

1183
01:37:57,340 --> 01:38:06,240
They have it when they want it, but they don't have the day-to-day obligation to take care of their yard and spend all weekend mo in the grass and doing a lot of those things.

1184
01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:14,740
And just people's daily life these days takes so much time, when they get home, they want to enjoy it, they want to enjoy.

1185
01:38:14,980 --> 01:38:21,020
They want to have enough space like we're going to provide to be able to barbecue in their backyard and hang out, have a dog, have all that kind of thing.

1186
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:24,400
But they don't want to spend all weekend taking care of the yard.

1187
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:25,980
No, I don't understand that.

1188
01:38:28,180 --> 01:38:29,500
I love your concept.

1189
01:38:29,660 --> 01:38:31,060
I think you described it very well.

1190
01:38:31,420 --> 01:38:39,780
But what are all the options, housing options that a residential suburban can offer versus

1191
01:38:39,780 --> 01:38:40,540
a general suburban?

1192
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:46,020
I mean, this is the request that's for a general suburban, and you're talking about restricted.

1193
01:38:46,300 --> 01:38:46,380
Okay.

1194
01:38:46,580 --> 01:38:46,640
No,

1195
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:47,680
yes. Restrictions

1196
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:50,880
on some of the housing for general suburban. What are the

1197
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:51,320
restrictions?

1198
01:38:51,320 --> 01:39:10,840
What are the, what are the, what are the, what are the, what I'm basically trying to get at is there's probably some housing that general suburban would allow you to build, even though you're not going to build them, but just that zoning would allow you to build some housing that maybe would not be what the community wanted in that area.

1199
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:12,840
Yeah, I mean, is that a concern?

1200
01:39:13,060 --> 01:39:17,220
I know you presented where you're not going to do those mobile homes, maybe be one of them.

1201
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:18,560
Is that a possibility?

1202
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:25,660
Mobile homes are not a possibility, but I'm saying, but in general suburban, that is one of the homes that is listed as general suburban.

1203
01:39:25,660 --> 01:39:26,220
Is that correct?

1204
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:28,420
Maybe the question is sure of the staff.

1205
01:39:28,660 --> 01:39:31,680
Yeah, I don't want to be, but I'm not sure of it.

1206
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:43,100
So for a general suburban zoning district, the product type that is allowed is a detached

1207
01:39:43,100 --> 01:39:44,060
single family home.

1208
01:39:44,660 --> 01:39:49,220
A manufactured home is not allowed within the general servant zoning district.

1209
01:39:50,460 --> 01:39:51,440
Thank you.

1210
01:39:52,440 --> 01:39:58,380
What was the one last question, what was the concern of the PNZ committee when you presented

1211
01:39:58,380 --> 01:39:59,080
this to them?

1212
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:02,460
What was their concern about denying this request?

1213
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:10,540
I believe that they asked a question of what is the minimum lot size that's allowable

1214
01:40:10,540 --> 01:40:16,740
in our ass zoning and the answer to that question I think was 6,000 square feet which is technically

1215
01:40:16,740 --> 01:40:24,700
a true and correct answer but the additional facts that it left out what I mentioned earlier

1216
01:40:24,700 --> 01:40:28,200
of the average has to be 10,000 square feet.

1217
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:34,200
And so if we do a 6,000 square foot lot, we have to do a 14,000 square foot lot to offset it.

1218
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:39,520
Which significantly drives up the cost of the land and the cost of the house subsequently.

1219
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:41,960
Thank you.

1220
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:42,900
I'll wait for it.

1221
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:43,500
Okay.

1222
01:40:44,780 --> 01:40:46,300
Mr. Schaefer has a question?

1223
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:50,700
Yeah, just to dig a little bit deeper into the restricted suburban.

1224
01:40:50,700 --> 01:40:54,380
I appreciate what you said about a lot of people would like to have, you know, small

1225
01:40:54,380 --> 01:40:59,260
yards and more, maybe common spaces, parks, as we sometimes think about them.

1226
01:40:59,340 --> 01:41:03,540
And there is an option too, which is cluster development, which reduces that lot size to

1227
01:41:03,540 --> 01:41:08,740
an average minimum of 8,000 and 6,500 minimum, absolute minimum.

1228
01:41:08,940 --> 01:41:10,500
Have you all looked or thought about that?

1229
01:41:11,900 --> 01:41:18,660
I still think on an average basis that's still, you know, as the goal of the study that

1230
01:41:18,660 --> 01:41:25,040
But the call station did, we're trying to get houses down to an affordable level here.

1231
01:41:25,620 --> 01:41:31,320
And as we're mentioning already with what we're proposing, we're going to be getting

1232
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:33,720
to that $350,000 starting point.

1233
01:41:33,740 --> 01:41:37,700
If we go on a larger lot, there's no way we're going to be able to meet that.

1234
01:41:38,260 --> 01:41:38,440
Right.

1235
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:44,040
One of the other concerns I think that was brought up by the Planning Commission was sort

1236
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:49,540
of context, which, you know, and that is indicated in the Comprehensive Plan, too.

1237
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:53,540
And you alluded to that, and that's, so that's what I think we're hearing from some

1238
01:41:53,540 --> 01:41:57,920
of the neighbors, this is the idea of context and how you all blend, and the cluster development

1239
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:00,020
might be an option to blend a little bit better.

1240
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:02,700
Although I appreciate what you all have gone through.

1241
01:42:03,060 --> 01:42:03,540
So thanks.

1242
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:07,780
Other questions for the applicant,

1243
01:42:10,050 --> 01:42:10,750
Mr. Smith?

1244
01:42:11,330 --> 01:42:11,430
Yes.

1245
01:42:13,530 --> 01:42:14,110
Thank you.

1246
01:42:14,110 --> 01:42:26,730
We're considering a rezoning request tonight and you've shown some alternative layouts that you propose in response to inputs you've gotten from the surrounding residents.

1247
01:42:27,590 --> 01:42:47,410
Okay, does the rezoning commit you the applicant to any particular layout as that is this is approval of the rezoning does that stick this layout on to that property?

1248
01:42:47,410 --> 01:43:07,370
So I believe we can, and staff can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe we can request the rezoning approval with the stipulation that we do this 50, we agree to do this 50 foot linear park along the border of the Greens Prairie Reserve and Sweetwater.

1249
01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:15,350
And with a couple of those other stipulations I had mentioned, of porcides masonry, for any

1250
01:43:15,350 --> 01:43:17,110
of the houses that back up to those two neighborhoods,

1251
01:43:19,550 --> 01:43:22,090
I believe we can add those stipulations

1252
01:43:22,090 --> 01:43:22,410
exactly.

1253
01:43:22,510 --> 01:43:26,050
So, I'm going to lead off while other people are thinking about this.

1254
01:43:26,190 --> 01:43:31,210
There are physical stipulations you can make for things like the green belt.

1255
01:43:32,030 --> 01:43:38,830
I don't know that you can do anything related to the masonry or some of those types of things.

1256
01:43:40,150 --> 01:43:44,850
Yeah, so you can do a condition, Anthony Armstrong planned a long service as director.

1257
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:50,710
You can do a condition that's something physical to the land, something like, yeah, you could

1258
01:43:50,710 --> 01:43:54,590
say there needs to be a 50-foot strip around X. You can give limitations to that to some

1259
01:43:54,590 --> 01:43:57,930
degree, but it would be something related to what is a zoning requirement in the UDO.

1260
01:43:58,610 --> 01:44:02,370
So you could do a number of different things with that. In Texas, we actually can't regulate

1261
01:44:02,370 --> 01:44:07,330
building materials, so that wouldn't be an option. But you could do something like the buffer.

1262
01:44:07,330 --> 01:44:14,450
Now, this exact layout verbatim, you would not be able to condition that, but you could condition the aspects of it that you're trying to preserve.

1263
01:44:15,050 --> 01:44:26,410
You could even, going back to the other option that was thrown up here, you could condition that areas be zoned to RS, for instance, as was shown, you could do that because that would be a zoned into the request, so that would be permissible as well.

1264
01:44:27,030 --> 01:44:27,590
Is that help?

1265
01:44:28,130 --> 01:44:29,170
Yes, it does, thank you.

1266
01:44:29,170 --> 01:44:34,350
You know, while you're there, this is going to be a question for staff as well.

1267
01:44:35,010 --> 01:44:40,850
He talked about his offer, the applicant's offer of Plan A, Plan B to address some of

1268
01:44:40,850 --> 01:44:41,710
the concerns and neighbors.

1269
01:44:42,250 --> 01:44:49,890
One of the, I think, was Plan A actually specified that certain detached single family homes

1270
01:44:50,310 --> 01:44:57,370
would be laid out like this map shows and he indicated it would be restricted suburban.

1271
01:44:57,370 --> 01:44:59,110
Well, that's not the application.

1272
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:28,520
So the application clearly states it's general suburban. I don't know that we can do that. So you actually can. So the way that it works when we advertise for a zoning request, if a zoning is less restricted or trying to make that, do that work right. So GS would be a more dense product. If you went to a lesser dense product with RS, that would be allowable because of what we advertise as we advertise as GS, which is, which is more intense zoning district, you could go down.

1273
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:30,920
So same thing, how do we advertise for a general commercial property?

1274
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:34,640
You could have zoned it to suburban commercial at that same meeting without going back to the drawing board.

1275
01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:36,740
And so that's what I was saying with the condition.

1276
01:45:36,900 --> 01:45:40,580
You could condition, and this is hopeful for at least from a record standpoint.

1277
01:45:40,580 --> 01:45:46,620
We could say that those, the areas shown whatever, and we would write that into the ordinance that eventually the mayor you would sign.

1278
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:48,120
We would have an ordinance in exhibit.

1279
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:52,700
They'd have to go back to some work, draw it up, but it would be pretty clear enough that we could do that.

1280
01:45:52,700 --> 01:45:57,380
But because that is a, okay.

1281
01:45:58,300 --> 01:45:59,960
So that could be a condition?

1282
01:46:00,380 --> 01:46:00,800
Correct.

1283
01:46:01,140 --> 01:46:01,640
Or what?

1284
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:03,300
How would we do it?

1285
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:09,860
Yeah, so you would be, you would recommend a motion for approval with the condition that

1286
01:46:09,860 --> 01:46:14,400
they follow the RS designation as shown here with the condition that they have the 50-foot

1287
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:19,980
strip of landscape that they have, whatever that is, so again at that point, I can come back

1288
01:46:19,980 --> 01:46:21,280
up here and help walk you through that.

1289
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:26,140
But it would be something that's a physical attribute and we would walk through what that looks like.

1290
01:46:26,300 --> 01:46:30,060
Okay, thank you. I wanted to clarify whether we could even consider that.

1291
01:46:30,380 --> 01:46:36,280
You can. Yeah, whether that was just we would like to do that and it doesn't really tie them down.

1292
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:40,100
Okay, thank you for the mayor while Anthony's there. Can I ask him a quick question?

1293
01:46:40,140 --> 01:46:40,520
Yeah, please.

1294
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:44,840
The late Tony Jones, God rest his soul, his development at the corner of Burd,

1295
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:49,200
state of Rotprey Road, Waterford Heights, was that a PDD?

1296
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:51,600
It was not a straight zoning.

1297
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:57,360
They had come back with a PDD on the front side for a commercial section, but it was,

1298
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:02,220
excuse me, the original was a straight zoning.

1299
01:47:02,660 --> 01:47:09,700
The back half they did a PDD for a small section, similar concept here.

1300
01:47:09,740 --> 01:47:14,060
They could have accomplished it the same way as this is being proposed, but that back, that

1301
01:47:14,060 --> 01:47:15,540
The very back section was a PDD.

1302
01:47:16,440 --> 01:47:23,400
Our HOA, I personally worked with Tony too, but I couldn't remember how he effectuated

1303
01:47:24,500 --> 01:47:27,940
where it was adjacent to my neighborhood.

1304
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:30,420
That portion you were saying was a PDD?

1305
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:30,960
Correct.

1306
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:36,420
The last block basically, the surrounding last end, it was in addition, it was really

1307
01:47:36,420 --> 01:47:39,640
phase two, phase two came in and that was a PDD section.

1308
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:40,520
Thank you, sir.

1309
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:57,410
which is a question is why would you have not considered the PDD if in fact this was where you really wanted to make sure people understood where you're going to put things so they're actually more comfortable.

1310
01:47:57,870 --> 01:48:09,150
We actually did consider the PDD and after working through that for a few months with staff we kind of got to the position of what we're really requesting is GS anyway

1311
01:48:09,150 --> 01:48:12,010
and it would just be simpler to request the G.S. zoning.

1312
01:48:13,950 --> 01:48:20,150
So, and the G.S. zoning is completely in line with future land use plans, so we went forward with that route.

1313
01:48:21,090 --> 01:48:24,290
Okay, thank you. Any other questions?

1314
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:30,200
Okay, I think I will call on Mr. Cornies.

1315
01:48:31,180 --> 01:48:39,060
The question came up as to the consideration that planning and zoning, Mr. Cornies, is chairman planning zoning.

1316
01:48:39,820 --> 01:48:44,240
They've given us their recommendation, Mr. Cornelius.

1317
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:48,320
You want to encapsulate that a little bit for us and answer any questions we might have?

1318
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:51,840
Evening, Mr. Mayor, Councilor Jason Cornelius, Chairman, planning his own commission.

1319
01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:54,900
And as Mr. Messier said, we did hear this back in September.

1320
01:48:55,500 --> 01:48:59,160
The commission's major concerns were over density and transportation.

1321
01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:05,940
Some of those concerns have been mentioned on the days today as far as I don't,

1322
01:49:06,020 --> 01:49:08,020
and Mr. Armstrong can help correct me on this.

1323
01:49:08,020 --> 01:49:15,560
I know that we talked about the total number, but I don't know if that was presented as a cap, as to how many units could be in the property.

1324
01:49:16,180 --> 01:49:28,420
And then we also had questions about transportation and asking Mr. Schubert whether TIA was considered, and it did not include the intersection of Greenspray and

1325
01:49:28,420 --> 01:49:30,500
Errington, so it did not go that far down.

1326
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:34,020
And so that added to some of our concerns, which caused us to vote it down.

1327
01:49:34,020 --> 01:49:37,060
I have a question, Mr. White.

1328
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:39,200
Thank you.

1329
01:49:40,540 --> 01:49:47,600
Did the committee look at, or were they presented the two different options that we were shown tonight, or was it just a pure?

1330
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:57,160
It was the original presentation and all both of those, I guess, public meetings that the applicant had were after our meeting.

1331
01:49:57,780 --> 01:49:59,700
So we were not presented either option.

1332
01:49:59,700 --> 01:50:04,500
So, the committee has not actually looked at these proposals.

1333
01:50:04,500 --> 01:50:09,520
The new proposals that were presented tonight, no sir, they were not presented to the commission at the time again,

1334
01:50:09,660 --> 01:50:15,080
those two, the public meetings that the applicant had were after our commission meeting.

1335
01:50:15,420 --> 01:50:21,700
So, density and traffic were the big issues that P and Z had based off this G.S.

1336
01:50:21,780 --> 01:50:22,120
Yes sir.

1337
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:30,980
I understand that there was based on the five criteria item two compatibility.

1338
01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:36,460
Yes sir, compatibility and again, and I believe it was Councilman White that talked about

1339
01:50:36,460 --> 01:50:42,020
the after the zoning request what would be allowed after that and so that was a large

1340
01:50:42,020 --> 01:50:47,780
concern of ours if we did the rezoning as is what would be what would be able to stop the

1341
01:50:47,780 --> 01:50:48,480
additional density.

1342
01:50:48,480 --> 01:50:49,440
Thank

1343
01:50:51,650 --> 01:50:51,770
you.

1344
01:50:51,770 --> 01:50:53,210
Any other questions for Mr. Cornel?

1345
01:50:53,490 --> 01:50:53,770
Yes.

1346
01:50:53,930 --> 01:50:54,370
Mr. Nancy.

1347
01:50:54,830 --> 01:50:55,570
Thank you, Mayor Nichols.

1348
01:50:56,150 --> 01:51:02,010
Chairman Cornelius, your leadership on PNZ is not gone without notice.

1349
01:51:02,270 --> 01:51:04,870
I want to thank you for everything that you do.

1350
01:51:05,310 --> 01:51:05,610
Thank you, sir.

1351
01:51:05,750 --> 01:51:08,010
This was a split vote.

1352
01:51:08,350 --> 01:51:08,790
Is that right?

1353
01:51:08,990 --> 01:51:09,250
No, sir.

1354
01:51:10,090 --> 01:51:11,150
It was unanimous.

1355
01:51:11,230 --> 01:51:11,610
Yes, sir.

1356
01:51:15,030 --> 01:51:17,750
I watched a video.

1357
01:51:18,190 --> 01:51:20,070
I didn't remember the exact vote count.

1358
01:51:22,370 --> 01:51:24,590
Was it a hotly contested issue?

1359
01:51:25,030 --> 01:51:32,930
There was a lot of discussion both from the public hearing and then amongst the commissioners ourselves as to a lot of questions to staff, a lot of questions to the applicant.

1360
01:51:33,410 --> 01:51:46,310
We did ask the applicant, again, what was preventing the applicant from going with restrictor suburban and he basically gave the same answer he gave and they didn't think it would work based on what they were planning on doing.

1361
01:51:46,310 --> 01:51:55,690
Again, our concern was, if we grant you general suburban, what is going to stop the lot limits, especially hearing the concern from the public other evening.

1362
01:51:56,490 --> 01:51:57,950
That was my next question.

1363
01:51:58,190 --> 01:51:58,970
Thank you very much.

1364
01:51:59,050 --> 01:51:59,510
Thank you, Mayor.

1365
01:52:00,090 --> 01:52:00,690
Thank you, sir.

1366
01:52:01,270 --> 01:52:05,710
I guess there are no other questions for Mr. Cleans.

1367
01:52:05,710 --> 01:52:06,490
Thank you very much.

1368
01:52:06,610 --> 01:52:09,230
Appreciate you being here and sharing your thoughts with us.

1369
01:52:10,970 --> 01:52:19,790
Okay, I have a list of 23 names, I believe, who would sign up to speak, and I'm going to

1370
01:52:19,790 --> 01:52:26,710
go with them as I have them on my list, so if you'll bear with me and keep your comments

1371
01:52:26,710 --> 01:52:31,630
to three minutes, I will say if you heard other people particularly as you get deeper into

1372
01:52:31,630 --> 01:52:37,990
this, other people have said basically the same thing you're going to say on either side

1373
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:43,610
of the issue whatever it is then you just simply come up indicate that and don't use

1374
01:52:43,610 --> 01:52:49,430
all three minutes your time we'll we'll get through that but with 23 people and that's

1375
01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:56,050
a good hour over an hour probably. So I will start with the Mr. Robert C. Todd who will

1376
01:52:56,050 --> 01:52:59,490
be followed by Perry Barbosa. Mr. Todd.

1377
01:53:06,140 --> 01:53:10,300
Robert Charles Todd 16736 would like drive

1378
01:53:10,300 --> 01:53:12,680
Oh, the microphone will roll closer, there you go.

1379
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:17,100
Okay, Robert Triost had 16736 wood lake drive.

1380
01:53:17,340 --> 01:53:20,500
I point out that I live in the extraterritorial jurisdiction

1381
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:22,720
in Imbracell's county.

1382
01:53:23,380 --> 01:53:27,980
We join the sweet water area a little further down on wood lake drive.

1383
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:31,000
Our greatest concern is that

1384
01:53:32,540 --> 01:53:35,440
is really the impact of this overall change in density.

1385
01:53:35,440 --> 01:53:44,780
The inadequate, frankly inadequate transportation studies which tend to ignore all the current

1386
01:53:44,780 --> 01:53:49,160
construction going on and some of the major intersections where the real bottlenecks

1387
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:52,280
will occur was not adequately done as emitted by staff.

1388
01:53:53,140 --> 01:53:56,720
So that left us with that concern.

1389
01:53:57,320 --> 01:54:01,320
The second is the drainage studies get done later on.

1390
01:54:02,260 --> 01:54:06,840
And unfortunately, everything kind of just dumps at the county line.

1391
01:54:07,260 --> 01:54:12,120
Where it moves into our lake that we try to keep in a decent aquatic condition.

1392
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:18,420
Increasing development around has led to a marked decrease in the water quality and

1393
01:54:18,420 --> 01:54:20,620
sedimentation that we deal with.

1394
01:54:21,860 --> 01:54:28,180
So, and then the final thing is, much has happened at the planning zoning commission.

1395
01:54:28,180 --> 01:54:32,440
And once a, what is the actual protection to the citizens?

1396
01:54:33,500 --> 01:54:40,220
Once a zoning has been made, that the number of houses presented in conceptual ideas and things is presented now.

1397
01:54:40,780 --> 01:54:44,360
And while they're very well done, applaud their effort to reach out to people.

1398
01:54:46,700 --> 01:54:52,400
But once that is made, General Suburban, the chance for a high density there,

1399
01:54:52,400 --> 01:55:16,260
We're probably now onto our under Greensboro Road and limited connections to other areas, as well as the drainage makes me question why not protect all the adjoining residences with something like the restrictive suburban that we're guarantee that at some point we didn't end up with too many homes in there.

1400
01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:16,940
Thank you.

1401
01:55:16,940 --> 01:55:23,320
Thank you, sir. Mr. Perry, Marabosa, be followed by Leighne Crabbs.

1402
01:55:26,140 --> 01:55:35,380
Good evening. I live in the Sweetwater area and I've lived there for 10 years and we have

1403
01:55:35,380 --> 01:55:42,420
enjoyed the neighbouring properties and the wildlife and one of the things that we fully

1404
01:55:42,420 --> 01:55:46,780
understood was that these properties with the increasing number of people in

1405
01:55:46,780 --> 01:55:53,780
color station would eventually be developed. So we knew this was coming. One of

1406
01:55:53,780 --> 01:56:00,400
the things that we are concerned about is that the loss of safety and integrity

1407
01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:05,500
to our properties with any of these developments. And so a very high density

1408
01:56:05,500 --> 01:56:11,320
development on the borders of the sweet water has two big issues for us.

1409
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:17,300
One, as Zorri even mentioned, the issue of I use of roads.

1410
01:56:17,980 --> 01:56:24,300
The connection to Whelk-Mippe-Welk will actually impair our ability to do the roads.

1411
01:56:24,820 --> 01:56:30,280
I walk and my wife walk the roads every day with our dogs.

1412
01:56:30,940 --> 01:56:34,060
And so we are quite well aware of the community that we live in.

1413
01:56:34,060 --> 01:56:40,280
Now, we know that that road, which has got no sidewalks and it's drained by

1414
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:46,660
ditches, is pretty vulnerable to high-density traffic. In fact, when they were

1415
01:56:46,660 --> 01:56:54,020
fixing or developing the median on green spree, a few trucks did some turnarounds

1416
01:56:54,020 --> 01:56:57,920
in our front and pretty much ripped up the road and that took about a couple months

1417
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:03,820
to fix. So our road is vulnerable to high traffic and so that needs to be a

1418
01:57:03,820 --> 01:57:07,320
address whatever the zoning is in this area.

1419
01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:10,060
If you connect it to our property,

1420
01:57:10,240 --> 01:57:12,540
you will damage our roads and you will affect our use

1421
01:57:12,540 --> 01:57:14,460
to those roads and the safety of that.

1422
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:16,940
So I ask you to consider that.

1423
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:21,600
Secondly, as the previous baker mentioned,

1424
01:57:22,300 --> 01:57:24,820
the drainage system is a concern.

1425
01:57:26,440 --> 01:57:31,620
The, all the drainage, the surface water drains into a set

1426
01:57:31,620 --> 01:57:36,680
a creeks that is at the southeast corner of sweet water.

1427
01:57:37,300 --> 01:57:40,920
Those currently already flood and affect about five properties.

1428
01:57:41,860 --> 01:57:48,180
So if the drainage is not properly done, then those properties become even more vulnerable.

1429
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:55,700
So I ask you to consider zoning at the lowest density possible, which is restricted suburban.

1430
01:57:56,300 --> 01:57:56,840
Thank you.

1431
01:57:56,840 --> 01:57:57,580
Thank you.

1432
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:02,380
Lynn Crabbs will be followed by Neil Horginson.

1433
01:58:04,330 --> 01:58:05,050
Good evening.

1434
01:58:05,770 --> 01:58:05,910
Yes.

1435
01:58:06,410 --> 01:58:09,510
Lynn Crabbs, Pebble Creek, South College Station.

1436
01:58:10,230 --> 01:58:11,230
I've prepared a few slides.

1437
01:58:11,550 --> 01:58:12,450
I'll go through them quickly.

1438
01:58:13,990 --> 01:58:17,990
Anything I wanted to point out is just that the supply and demand of housing in this area

1439
01:58:17,990 --> 01:58:23,470
is that we're under supplied and at almost every price level, particularly the median price

1440
01:58:23,470 --> 01:58:26,970
level, real quick point on the median price that was brought up earlier.

1441
01:58:26,970 --> 01:58:30,010
Keep in mind that what pulls that down is older houses.

1442
01:58:30,330 --> 01:58:35,710
If you look at houses under 300,000, for example, in this area, the median age is 20 years or more.

1443
01:58:36,270 --> 01:58:39,870
So we're talking about new homes here and so that price point is reasonable.

1444
01:58:40,070 --> 01:58:44,890
Texas price distribution has shifted significantly since 2019 to the right,

1445
01:58:45,010 --> 01:58:48,770
meaning higher price tombs, the brown bars are 2019 price levels,

1446
01:58:49,390 --> 01:58:53,570
and 2024 is in blue, and you can see that that's shifted greatly.

1447
01:58:53,570 --> 01:59:00,650
That's Texas, Brian College Stationary, even with high interest rates, the median price has not come down.

1448
01:59:00,850 --> 01:59:02,370
And this is just over the past three years.

1449
01:59:03,570 --> 01:59:06,230
Housing and affordability index across Texas is abysmal.

1450
01:59:06,830 --> 01:59:09,430
And it's even worse in Brasius County.

1451
01:59:09,590 --> 01:59:15,430
Brasius County's housing affordability is lower than the state's housing price index.

1452
01:59:15,630 --> 01:59:20,510
So we have less affordable, and when I say affordable housing, I'm talking about all housing in general.

1453
01:59:20,510 --> 01:59:25,670
I'm not supplying demand of homes at various price levels, particularly that, and

1454
01:59:25,670 --> 01:59:28,970
believe or not, interest rates are not the biggest reason for this.

1455
01:59:29,090 --> 01:59:34,370
It's actually because of the next slide, which is the home price, well, this is the,

1456
01:59:34,410 --> 01:59:35,810
that says, home price index.

1457
01:59:35,810 --> 01:59:41,650
This is, yeah, I think we got mixed up here on the slides, but what this is actually meant

1458
01:59:41,650 --> 01:59:47,350
to represent is that the price itself, the median price of homes in this area has skyrocketed,

1459
01:59:47,350 --> 01:59:53,390
particularly since 2021. A big reason for that was extremely low interest rates

1460
01:59:53,390 --> 01:59:58,350
in 2020 and 21 as you can imagine. Even though rates have been steady now for a

1461
01:59:58,350 --> 01:59:59,910
couple of years, meeting home price

1462
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,980
This has continued to decline, and that's mainly in my opinion. And I should mention, obviously I'm speaking as private citizen, but I am a research economist at the Texas A&M Real Estate Research Center. So this is something I look into all the time. And my biggest concern for our community is the lack of housing and particularly housing, like in that $350,000 to $500,000 range, we have, don't have enough of that. And as you mentioned earlier, this is the last track, I believe, of this size, to have the

1463
02:00:29,980 --> 02:00:31,160
It could make a real impact.

1464
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:36,780
And kind of the point I want to make around this is, as a professor from American University,

1465
02:00:37,500 --> 02:00:41,000
once said, the widespread distribution of private property ownership is the cornerstone

1466
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:41,800
of American liberty.

1467
02:00:42,300 --> 02:00:46,480
Without it, neither our free enterprise system nor our Republican form of government could

1468
02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:47,120
endure long.

1469
02:00:47,740 --> 02:00:54,820
It's so important to provide housing that new families, young families, can afford and just

1470
02:00:54,820 --> 02:00:59,140
Just to put a point on that, the median age of first-time home buyers in America is now

1471
02:00:59,140 --> 02:01:00,340
40 years old.

1472
02:01:00,940 --> 02:01:02,780
And so we need to provide more housing.

1473
02:01:03,080 --> 02:01:05,000
And I appreciate the concerns about density.

1474
02:01:05,240 --> 02:01:09,140
But I think that there has to be, that has to obviously fit in the market.

1475
02:01:09,700 --> 02:01:13,080
This is going to bring in a lot of property tax revenue that will address some of the issues

1476
02:01:13,080 --> 02:01:15,420
in regards to roads and drainage and-

1477
02:01:15,420 --> 02:01:17,890
Thank you, sir.

1478
02:01:18,950 --> 02:01:21,930
Neil Horginson will be followed by Colleen Deeb.

1479
02:01:25,030 --> 02:01:26,870
Thanks for giving me an opportunity to speak.

1480
02:01:26,870 --> 02:01:30,550
I'm Neil Hoganson, 4035, still far as the sweet water.

1481
02:01:31,330 --> 02:01:37,550
I wanted to just have some concerns about safety of the cut through to Whipperville,

1482
02:01:37,770 --> 02:01:42,570
which was discussed previously, and I just want to say a couple things about Whipperville

1483
02:01:42,570 --> 02:01:43,250
as a street.

1484
02:01:43,950 --> 02:01:49,070
It's about 30 years old, it's a asphalt, it's about 30 feet wide, it's used by pedestrians

1485
02:01:49,070 --> 02:01:54,550
day in night, people walking their dog riding bicycles, and I think a cut through through

1486
02:01:54,550 --> 02:02:05,630
The subdivision with 30 homes or so to a development with 800 would create a safety issue for all those people using it day and night and there are no streetlights at night.

1487
02:02:06,770 --> 02:02:08,870
And it's pitch black out there. Thank you.

1488
02:02:09,530 --> 02:02:13,950
Thank you very much sir. Colleen Deidd be followed by Lloyd Davis.

1489
02:02:21,550 --> 02:02:29,730
Thank you. Nice seeing you. Thank you guys so much for reaching out to me after and talking to me.

1490
02:02:29,730 --> 02:02:35,830
some of you, but definitely sending emails. I really appreciate it. My name is

1491
02:02:35,830 --> 02:02:42,090
Colleen Dave. I live in Greensbury and myself and then two other sets of

1492
02:02:42,090 --> 02:02:47,050
neighbors went around to Greensbury and we came this the neighborhood. When we

1493
02:02:47,050 --> 02:02:52,910
did that, we got to see, I want to say probably 90% of people face to face.

1494
02:02:52,910 --> 02:02:59,250
There's not one person that said that they were for this, not one.

1495
02:02:59,850 --> 02:03:04,070
I don't know who these people are that are standing, but they don't live in this neighborhood.

1496
02:03:04,290 --> 02:03:10,590
In fact, I bet they don't live in a jointy neighborhood maybe, but we haven't met them.

1497
02:03:11,250 --> 02:03:13,310
We got to see, we went to the whole neighborhood.

1498
02:03:14,190 --> 02:03:20,510
So anyways, besides that, I wanted to talk about compatibility and

1499
02:03:22,730 --> 02:03:26,270
And it's not comparable or compatible with our neighborhood.

1500
02:03:26,790 --> 02:03:30,890
When we bought into Greensbury, we wanted to have,

1501
02:03:31,650 --> 02:03:35,250
and actually just read this, we had, we wanted,

1502
02:03:35,550 --> 02:03:38,070
our family decided that we wanted to have,

1503
02:03:38,370 --> 02:03:43,350
be in this neighborhood, we wanted to live out the rest of our years.

1504
02:03:43,750 --> 02:03:45,610
My husband and I are both over 65.

1505
02:03:46,210 --> 02:03:48,750
We wanted to just live out our years in peace,

1506
02:03:48,750 --> 02:03:53,090
And I understand that there's going to be development.

1507
02:03:53,830 --> 02:04:02,990
But I'm hoping that you guys decide to vote for a neighborhood that is comparable and compatible to ours.

1508
02:04:03,550 --> 02:04:03,890
Thank you.

1509
02:04:04,190 --> 02:04:05,370
Thank you, Ms. Dean.

1510
02:04:06,350 --> 02:04:10,410
Lloyd Davis, I'll be followed by a Democratic job.

1511
02:04:12,780 --> 02:04:16,900
Lloyd Davis, speaking on behalf of the College Station Association of Neighborhoods.

1512
02:04:16,900 --> 02:04:31,580
First of all, we believe that CCAM believes that home ownerships, the most effective foundation for family's stability remains a single best way to build generational wealth, positively impacting future generations.

1513
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:41,580
And with that said, we strongly urge the council tonight to continue to work with residents and find in a compromise that delays the fears of nearby neighborhoods

1514
02:04:41,580 --> 02:04:48,120
It still allows for a small but significant number of attainably priced homes to be built.

1515
02:04:48,520 --> 02:04:54,220
Please note what C-Sans now use in the term attainable homes and not affordable housing.

1516
02:04:54,340 --> 02:04:59,120
Affordable is to paraphrase in the wallet of the beholder.

1517
02:04:59,920 --> 02:05:02,580
Housing is too close to warehousing.

1518
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:08,860
These are homes, they're for families, they're for members of the community who contribute daily to our well-being,

1519
02:05:08,860 --> 02:05:12,160
in who are friends, families, and neighbors.

1520
02:05:12,960 --> 02:05:16,240
Attainable homes and collegeization are critically scarce,

1521
02:05:16,660 --> 02:05:20,120
impacting our city now and requiring dramatic progress

1522
02:05:20,120 --> 02:05:22,660
to prevent future worsening of the issue.

1523
02:05:23,340 --> 02:05:26,660
The disparities compounded by a low rate of owner

1524
02:05:26,660 --> 02:05:30,800
occupied homes, which stands at about 35%

1525
02:05:30,800 --> 02:05:34,940
with rentals making up the remaining 65%.

1526
02:05:35,660 --> 02:05:38,420
Consequences of this issue, I include

1527
02:05:38,420 --> 02:05:42,540
school growth teachers not being able to live in our community.

1528
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:47,440
College Station has been a school district student population has been fairly

1529
02:05:47,440 --> 02:05:52,900
stagnant over the last several years and you can evidence that by the district's

1530
02:05:52,900 --> 02:05:55,680
recent decision to allow students from other districts who've been

1531
02:05:56,340 --> 02:06:00,900
beginning attending classes here. We have workforce shortages. We hear that from

1532
02:06:00,900 --> 02:06:06,960
A&M. We hear that from the city. All of this is in large part due to

1533
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:09,680
our housing shortage, workforce shortage,

1534
02:06:09,860 --> 02:06:12,640
hamper facility, the city's ability

1535
02:06:12,640 --> 02:06:15,140
to bring in new employers as evidenced

1536
02:06:15,140 --> 02:06:17,680
by the ever growing share property tax revenue

1537
02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:19,380
that falls upon residents.

1538
02:06:20,140 --> 02:06:25,160
If it rose the quality of life, it inhibits our ability

1539
02:06:25,160 --> 02:06:28,420
to retain even a reasonable proportion or portion

1540
02:06:28,420 --> 02:06:31,400
of the thousands of very bright young college graduates

1541
02:06:31,400 --> 02:06:35,400
past our community by way of their earning A&M's degrees,

1542
02:06:35,400 --> 02:06:41,900
each and every year. All indications are that while our population of older residents is increasing,

1543
02:06:42,380 --> 02:06:48,660
our population of non-student younger residents is decreasing. In private conversations with a

1544
02:06:48,660 --> 02:06:53,040
subset of planning and zoning committee, we believe that at least some members felt that

1545
02:06:53,040 --> 02:07:01,180
compromise could be reached. We ask you to explore what those compromises might be. We ask that you are

1546
02:07:01,180 --> 02:07:05,640
elected leaders personally help steal this effort in hopes of finding a solution.

1547
02:07:05,900 --> 02:07:10,860
We believe that if successful, the long-term benefits will lead to lasting results for

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02:07:10,860 --> 02:07:13,380
our community and outweigh the hard work now.

1549
02:07:13,860 --> 02:07:18,560
This is particularly true for first-time home buyers looking to establish roots in our-

1550
02:07:19,970 --> 02:07:22,690
Thank you Mr. Doos appreciate your being here.

1551
02:07:23,750 --> 02:07:31,750
Mr. Karatek Ja, I fellow by Dloris, Kymchuk Ram, Graham.

1552
02:07:32,850 --> 02:07:33,170
Welcome.

1553
02:07:34,130 --> 02:07:35,630
How do you may air and council members?

1554
02:07:36,710 --> 02:07:40,290
My name is Karatek Ja, and I am a resident in Prince Prairie Reserve in Calestation.

1555
02:07:40,990 --> 02:07:45,130
I wish to provide my comments against the proposed rezoning of the Wynnum Ranch land parcel

1556
02:07:45,130 --> 02:07:50,290
to General Suburban instead of Restrictor Suburban for the fallen reasons.

1557
02:07:50,290 --> 02:07:56,770
reason 1, economic concerns and tax burden. While new housing brings additional tax revenue,

1558
02:07:57,470 --> 02:08:03,610
condensed housing generally produces less property tax per acre compared to the cost of infrastructure

1559
02:08:03,970 --> 02:08:09,790
and services of demands. This development will primarily benefit the developer while the community

1560
02:08:09,790 --> 02:08:16,070
absorbs the cost in reduced property values and higher service demands. If the property becomes

1561
02:08:16,070 --> 02:08:21,970
high-density housing, it is almost impossible for all the cars to exit to clean spray

1562
02:08:21,970 --> 02:08:27,830
road during the rush hour. So, we will have more cars cutting through to diamond back

1563
02:08:27,830 --> 02:08:34,610
via olem oaks. That much traffic will make cycling a walking much more dangerous, which

1564
02:08:34,610 --> 02:08:40,430
turns this traffic issue into a safety issue. He is in two, property values and neighborhood

1565
02:08:40,430 --> 02:08:45,890
character. The scale and design of condensed housing is inconsistent with the existing

1566
02:08:45,890 --> 02:08:51,310
character of nearby communities like Green Sparrow Reserve, Castlegate, Sweetwater, Nantaket

1567
02:08:51,310 --> 02:08:52,290
and Indian Lakes.

1568
02:08:52,930 --> 02:08:57,090
It wrote in the sense of place and cohesion that residents have invested in.

1569
02:08:58,150 --> 02:09:03,430
Reasoning for high-ben city housing for up to 8 homes per acre directly adjacent to established

1570
02:09:03,430 --> 02:09:08,750
neighborhoods like Green Sparrow Reserve threatens to reduce property values and destabilize

1571
02:09:08,750 --> 02:09:09,510
the housing market.

1572
02:09:10,530 --> 02:09:14,910
No neighborhood in the area has anywhere near the level of housing density.

1573
02:09:15,670 --> 02:09:22,110
Co-roads, abundant green space, nature preservation, larger lots and walking trails are characteristics

1574
02:09:22,110 --> 02:09:23,330
of the surrounding neighborhoods.

1575
02:09:24,390 --> 02:09:29,150
A general suburban zoning will not be able to maintain the level of integrity that these

1576
02:09:29,150 --> 02:09:31,230
surrounding neighborhoods currently have.

1577
02:09:32,690 --> 02:09:37,970
Season 3, strain on infrastructure, additional and disproportionate impoverished services

1578
02:09:37,970 --> 02:09:43,030
will contribute to stormwater runoff, flooding risks and erosion problems.

1579
02:09:43,030 --> 02:09:53,530
expanding utility capacity, water, sewer, power would require costly upgrades which ultimately fall on the city and taxpayers without the tax benefits.

1580
02:09:54,390 --> 02:10:06,950
Reason 4, schools and public services, CSI's do not have any additional land available in the near vicinity of this area to accommodate such a disproportionate increase in student intake.

1581
02:10:06,950 --> 02:10:13,470
emergency services such as police, fire and EMS will be further strain, potentially increasing

1582
02:10:13,470 --> 02:10:15,450
response times and reducing effectiveness.

1583
02:10:16,530 --> 02:10:22,710
In prison, it is remarkable, but not surprising, that the PNZ Commission voted against the

1584
02:10:22,710 --> 02:10:24,470
rezoning proposal unanimously.

1585
02:10:25,370 --> 02:10:30,450
I appreciate your thoughtful consideration and action, which will impact the present and

1586
02:10:30,450 --> 02:10:34,870
future of all residents, their kids and families in and around our community.

1587
02:10:35,430 --> 02:10:36,110
Thank you for your time.

1588
02:10:36,110 --> 02:10:36,970
Thank you, sir.

1589
02:10:37,630 --> 02:10:44,950
The Loris, Kim Check Graham, Graham, and then be followed by Nell Rubin.

1590
02:10:46,490 --> 02:10:51,110
Thanks for the opportunity to speak about an issue that's very important to me.

1591
02:10:52,350 --> 02:10:55,990
I've lived in Green's Prae Reserve for almost four years.

1592
02:10:56,290 --> 02:11:02,450
My address is 4805 Pearl River Court, and I'm opposed to this rezoning to GS.

1593
02:11:03,030 --> 02:11:08,370
The high density model of 8 units per acre is incompatible with my neighborhood, which

1594
02:11:08,370 --> 02:11:12,750
is 4 units per acre, with then tuck its sweet water and castle gate.

1595
02:11:13,150 --> 02:11:19,490
This type of housing invites investors who create rentals that really are not maintained.

1596
02:11:19,870 --> 02:11:22,930
I can drive through any neighborhood and I can point out the rentals.

1597
02:11:24,270 --> 02:11:30,730
I attended one of the public meetings hosted by DR Horton and I was kind of surprised because

1598
02:11:30,730 --> 02:11:35,850
As it was in a meeting, didn't have an agenda or presentations, we just walked around

1599
02:11:35,850 --> 02:11:39,870
and looked at posters and we asked the DR Horton representative's questions.

1600
02:11:40,610 --> 02:11:44,630
And this is from my notes from that meeting that I attended.

1601
02:11:45,450 --> 02:11:50,870
The high density model would result in four to five DR Horton homes backing up to one home

1602
02:11:50,870 --> 02:11:53,450
in Greensboro Reserve, that's not compatibility.

1603
02:11:54,250 --> 02:12:00,770
I ask about a buffer between Green's Prairie Reserve and the DR Horton Homes, and one

1604
02:12:00,770 --> 02:12:07,010
rep said 20 feet and one said 50 feet, so you can see it's evolving, so what is the

1605
02:12:07,010 --> 02:12:14,390
plan? I ask if DR Horton would preserve mature trees bordering the property, and they said

1606
02:12:14,390 --> 02:12:19,130
they would replant trees in accordance with city standards, city codes.

1607
02:12:20,050 --> 02:12:24,150
I as quiet the traffic study did not include the intersection of

1608
02:12:24,150 --> 02:12:27,970
Errington and Greensbury Road, which is a bottleneck several times per day.

1609
02:12:28,230 --> 02:12:31,690
And I was told that they didn't have to do a study at this time.

1610
02:12:32,050 --> 02:12:34,790
It could be done after the GS owning was approved.

1611
02:12:35,110 --> 02:12:36,090
And that's backwards.

1612
02:12:37,310 --> 02:12:38,730
Traffic's a major concern.

1613
02:12:39,650 --> 02:12:42,870
My home backs up to old emotes, old them oaks.

1614
02:12:43,190 --> 02:12:45,990
And I can tell you you should rename it Raceway.

1615
02:12:46,690 --> 02:12:53,030
Every morning, when I'm walking my dog, I watch school children trying to cross that road

1616
02:12:53,030 --> 02:12:54,690
to get to their school bus stop.

1617
02:12:55,430 --> 02:13:02,750
And these trucks just quiz by and that's going to get worse if you open that road into

1618
02:13:02,750 --> 02:13:05,630
high-density housing.

1619
02:13:07,130 --> 02:13:13,690
And I've talked with members of Council and the Zoning Commission one-on-one.

1620
02:13:14,410 --> 02:13:17,530
and I moved here because housing was affordable.

1621
02:13:18,610 --> 02:13:19,390
I'm retired.

1622
02:13:19,970 --> 02:13:23,310
My next door neighbors, a young family that used to live in Austin,

1623
02:13:24,210 --> 02:13:30,430
happened to be driving through College Station looking for a place to move they could work anywhere,

1624
02:13:31,190 --> 02:13:34,730
and they chose College Station because the housing was affordable.

1625
02:13:35,650 --> 02:13:41,330
A recent study by Forbes named College Station on the list of best places to retire.

1626
02:13:41,330 --> 02:13:51,230
They cited, quote, proud home of Texas A&M University, median home price 347,000, 14 percent

1627
02:13:51,230 --> 02:13:57,410
below the national median, cost of living 13 percent below the national average.

1628
02:13:57,890 --> 02:14:03,830
And if you ask me, our local builders have done a good job building affordable housing,

1629
02:14:04,450 --> 02:14:08,030
and they care about the reputation and the community, because...

1630
02:14:14,810 --> 02:14:24,470
Thank you very much. Next will be Nell Ruben, followed by Miriam Saleh. Nell Ruben and then

1631
02:14:25,370 --> 02:14:26,870
Miriam Saleh.

1632
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:35,320
Good evening. Nell Ruben, I live in the Woodlake subdivision and I'm also here

1633
02:14:35,320 --> 02:14:44,000
to speak against this proposal because of density and traffic and also because we have experienced as

1634
02:14:44,000 --> 02:14:51,760
Charlie Todd mentioned earlier, severe water issues, flooding problems from neighboring

1635
02:14:51,760 --> 02:14:59,160
development to the extent that our lake recently developed a blue-green algae for the first

1636
02:14:59,160 --> 02:14:59,960
time because of...

1637
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:28,780
Partly, I think because of the runoff from neighboring construction projects, but mostly I love living in South College station, even though we're not officially part of the incorporated, we're not incorporated. But I love living there partly because of the beautiful green spaces, because of somebody mentioned the wildlife, because you can breathe, because it's not high density. That's one of the reasons we moved there.

1638
02:15:28,780 --> 02:15:36,600
And to have another high density development in the area, as others have mentioned, I think

1639
02:15:36,600 --> 02:15:44,000
would really stress the resources that we have down there, including the roads which were

1640
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:52,480
just worked on and the floodplain, or the flood resilience.

1641
02:15:52,960 --> 02:15:55,380
So I hope you will also consider that.

1642
02:15:55,740 --> 02:15:55,980
Thank you.

1643
02:15:56,480 --> 02:15:57,280
Thank you very much.

1644
02:16:03,780 --> 02:16:04,300
All

1645
02:16:08,270 --> 02:16:08,470
right.

1646
02:16:11,130 --> 02:16:12,050
We'll come back.

1647
02:16:12,270 --> 02:16:13,470
Nancy Dickie is next.

1648
02:16:14,230 --> 02:16:16,250
We'll be followed by Matthew Glover.

1649
02:16:20,700 --> 02:16:23,440
Thank you for the opportunity to address the council's money.

1650
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:28,100
It's Nancy Dickie and I live at 4040 Sweetwater in South College Station.

1651
02:16:28,720 --> 02:16:33,640
I appreciate the time the commitment it takes to provide governance and for listening to each

1652
02:16:33,640 --> 02:16:34,320
of us on this.

1653
02:16:34,320 --> 02:16:42,140
I too would request that you not allow the general suburban zoning, but restricted suburban

1654
02:16:42,140 --> 02:16:45,740
zoning for a number of reasons, and I'll try to be quick because you've heard most

1655
02:16:45,740 --> 02:16:46,100
of them.

1656
02:16:46,820 --> 02:16:48,520
First and foremost is one of safety.

1657
02:16:49,000 --> 02:16:53,960
We live in sweet water and a planned egress of several possible, several hundred possible

1658
02:16:53,960 --> 02:17:01,260
homes into a cul-de-sac in our very small neighborhood on narrow streets.

1659
02:17:01,260 --> 02:17:07,360
Unlit, no sidewalks would be dangerous for the people who live there, for the children

1660
02:17:07,360 --> 02:17:14,520
who are bicycling and playing along that area, and would, in fact, very quickly, destroy

1661
02:17:14,520 --> 02:17:19,380
the integrity of that road, it simply wasn't built for that kind of heavy traffic.

1662
02:17:20,640 --> 02:17:26,240
We also happened to empty out onto Green's Prairie in the very short segment that hasn't

1663
02:17:26,240 --> 02:17:33,180
been changed to four lanes that can become quite a bottleneck until and unless they get that

1664
02:17:33,180 --> 02:17:33,540
fix.

1665
02:17:34,200 --> 02:17:36,360
I'm concerned about the drainage issues that you've heard.

1666
02:17:37,080 --> 02:17:40,200
And then finally I think we have to continue to talk about compatibility.

1667
02:17:41,640 --> 02:17:47,440
The proposal is simply not consistent with the homes that are surrounding it in virtually

1668
02:17:47,440 --> 02:17:48,740
every direction.

1669
02:17:48,940 --> 02:17:54,460
Now you heard from the developers that they would do their best, but I have to say that if

1670
02:17:54,460 --> 02:18:00,640
If we give them general suburban zoning, then we really have no guarantees.

1671
02:18:01,100 --> 02:18:07,380
We have promises about what they say they'll do, but they are free under that zoning to do a variety of things,

1672
02:18:07,660 --> 02:18:11,640
most of which are not consistent with the neighborhood in which they want to build.

1673
02:18:12,140 --> 02:18:15,560
For all of those reasons and the others that you'll hear this evening,

1674
02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:18,100
I hope you'll restrict that to restricted suburban.

1675
02:18:18,580 --> 02:18:18,880
Thank you.

1676
02:18:19,720 --> 02:18:20,960
Thank you, Mr. Dickie.

1677
02:18:21,380 --> 02:18:22,680
Dr. Dickie.

1678
02:18:23,040 --> 02:18:26,220
Matthew Glover, be followed by Michael Bear.

1679
02:18:29,270 --> 02:18:30,170
Matthew Glover.

1680
02:18:30,830 --> 02:18:31,550
Oh, there he comes.

1681
02:18:31,930 --> 02:18:32,330
There we go.

1682
02:18:41,510 --> 02:18:42,230
Hey, I'll be doing.

1683
02:18:42,370 --> 02:18:46,910
I just wanted to speak on the builder that's coming to try to build these homes.

1684
02:18:47,190 --> 02:18:49,870
They're great local home builder.

1685
02:18:50,210 --> 02:18:53,390
I've done work for these guys for 12 years.

1686
02:18:53,790 --> 02:18:56,110
And, you know, I want a local plumber company.

1687
02:18:56,110 --> 02:19:02,190
and we actually employ 50 local guys that all do their work

1688
02:19:02,190 --> 02:19:05,170
and they really keep us employed, keep us going.

1689
02:19:05,710 --> 02:19:07,970
And I've always been a great local partnership.

1690
02:19:09,350 --> 02:19:13,170
All the guys are either local, former Aggies are both.

1691
02:19:14,630 --> 02:19:20,070
And they definitely have college stations best interest in their minds

1692
02:19:20,070 --> 02:19:23,890
in trying to build this town and keep it going.

1693
02:19:23,890 --> 02:19:33,250
and I know that we do have a lack of homes in that $300 to $600,000 range, and so yeah,

1694
02:19:33,450 --> 02:19:37,290
I appreciate you all. Thank you. Thank you. Do you have your address? I think

1695
02:19:37,950 --> 02:19:40,150
City Secretary would just repeat it for the record.

1696
02:19:40,590 --> 02:19:41,650
4,000 for a war week.

1697
02:19:43,310 --> 02:19:43,830
Intellectation?

1698
02:19:44,130 --> 02:19:44,950
Brian Texas.

1699
02:19:45,170 --> 02:19:45,830
Brian Texas.

1700
02:19:45,970 --> 02:19:46,190
Okay.

1701
02:19:47,410 --> 02:19:51,330
Michael Bear, followed by Susan McNeely.

1702
02:19:51,330 --> 02:19:52,330
Hi

1703
02:19:59,750 --> 02:20:06,630
there, good evening. My name is Michael Bear, and I live in Greensboro Reserve at 4822

1704
02:20:06,630 --> 02:20:13,690
Pearl River Court. You know, I think you've heard it said that it's always a good real estate

1705
02:20:13,690 --> 02:20:22,650
investment to buy the smallest cheapest house in the neighborhood, simply because the surrounding

1706
02:20:22,650 --> 02:20:27,490
properties tend to elevate the value of the one you purchased.

1707
02:20:28,550 --> 02:20:31,290
I think the same is true for subdivisions.

1708
02:20:32,390 --> 02:20:43,650
And the homeowners, developers and builders have already invested in these surrounding subdivisions,

1709
02:20:44,290 --> 02:20:52,210
including Greensprayery, based on the plans that the City Council has already approved.

1710
02:20:53,550 --> 02:20:59,930
being that area and wind of branch being restricted suburban.

1711
02:21:01,010 --> 02:21:06,990
And now, if that's changed, I'm sure Dear Horton and

1712
02:21:06,990 --> 02:21:08,850
Wyndham would get a pretty sweet deal.

1713
02:21:09,570 --> 02:21:14,230
But it would come at the expense of, I think,

1714
02:21:14,470 --> 02:21:17,350
of a negative impact to the property values

1715
02:21:17,350 --> 02:21:19,070
and the surrounding subdivisions.

1716
02:21:19,070 --> 02:21:35,030
So for that reason, I hope that we don't change now mid-stream after we've made all of these investments in these surrounding subdivisions.

1717
02:21:36,850 --> 02:21:40,910
I just don't think it would be a good idea. Thank you.

1718
02:21:40,910 --> 02:21:44,450
Thank you, sir. Susan McNeely.

1719
02:21:47,620 --> 02:21:53,970
Susan, there we go. Sorry. Be followed by Michael Wilts.

1720
02:21:56,060 --> 02:22:04,400
Thank you very much mayor and council members for allowing me to address you tonight. I am

1721
02:22:06,120 --> 02:22:13,400
thoughtful of the time that spent by each of you in your agenda. I served on a local school board

1722
02:22:13,400 --> 02:22:20,580
for over 10 years and know that that can be a big demand on your time.

1723
02:22:21,780 --> 02:22:27,020
I agree with many of the things that have been said today and certainly feel that my concerns

1724
02:22:27,020 --> 02:22:32,080
have to do with that. I live at 40, 15 sweet water drive in College Station.

1725
02:22:32,980 --> 02:22:40,000
We are in the Sweet Water subdivision. This property obviously would right up to our property.

1726
02:22:41,920 --> 02:22:48,940
As a personal note, 20 years ago, we decided that that was the place that we would live and

1727
02:22:48,940 --> 02:22:55,040
retire after scrimping and saving with five children and 16 grandchildren for a place

1728
02:22:55,040 --> 02:23:02,660
that we could call home with trees and in fact out of our home, you cannot see another house

1729
02:23:02,660 --> 02:23:05,040
because we have woods all the way around.

1730
02:23:06,600 --> 02:23:13,160
I'm very, very concerned about the traffic that's been expressed tonight and the safety,

1731
02:23:14,000 --> 02:23:21,040
at least a thousand school children traverse Green's Prairie Road every day with their parents

1732
02:23:21,540 --> 02:23:24,480
to go to elementary school in an intermediate school.

1733
02:23:25,360 --> 02:23:31,580
And I'm very, very concerned about the safety of the smallest of our people since I served

1734
02:23:31,580 --> 02:23:33,000
on the school board for a long time.

1735
02:23:34,160 --> 02:23:37,840
I'm also very, very concerned about Whippervill Drive.

1736
02:23:38,640 --> 02:23:43,140
Whippervill Drive and Sweetwater Drive are county roads.

1737
02:23:44,800 --> 02:23:48,920
They have no curbs, no lighting, covered ditch roadways,

1738
02:23:49,220 --> 02:23:50,900
and they're made of inferior materials.

1739
02:23:51,440 --> 02:23:56,180
They quickly degrade and putting any kind of traffic

1740
02:23:56,180 --> 02:23:59,860
through that Whippervill called a sack,

1741
02:23:59,860 --> 02:24:07,980
as the plan that's been shown to us would greatly endanger anyone who would need

1742
02:24:07,980 --> 02:24:14,960
to traverse that area. So I have 58 seconds left. So what's my most

1743
02:24:14,960 --> 02:24:19,960
important thing? I'm concerned about the integrity of a developer and not because

1744
02:24:19,960 --> 02:24:24,540
I have anything or knowledge about DH Horton. I know that there's it's been said

1745
02:24:24,540 --> 02:24:31,080
that there are suits and other people have suits, this is one of his suits is gone to district

1746
02:24:31,080 --> 02:24:37,980
court and it has to do with financial malfeasance. And I'm just very concerned about that, but

1747
02:24:37,980 --> 02:24:43,760
even more so than that, I'm concerned that if we instead of restricted suburban, we do

1748
02:24:43,760 --> 02:24:49,460
general suburban, there's nothing to hold him to that. And we have had experience with that

1749
02:24:49,460 --> 02:24:56,620
in the past where things have gone to changed zoning or changed to our own property.

1750
02:24:57,340 --> 02:25:03,040
I would ask that if you are considering the General Suburban, that the things that he

1751
02:25:03,040 --> 02:25:08,440
has discussed tonight, that he has told us could absolutely happen, I would suggest that

1752
02:25:08,440 --> 02:25:09,600
you refer it to-

1753
02:25:14,210 --> 02:25:14,870
Thank you.

1754
02:25:18,580 --> 02:25:29,050
Michael Wilts, we followed by Gina Atty, AT, as well.

1755
02:25:29,110 --> 02:25:30,930
Thank you. Mary and council members.

1756
02:25:33,760 --> 02:25:38,400
My name is Michael Wilts. My home is located on

1757
02:25:39,300 --> 02:25:43,440
Pearl River Court in Greensboro Reserve subdivision.

1758
02:25:45,640 --> 02:25:48,600
I retired from the company after about 33 years

1759
02:25:48,600 --> 02:25:55,320
designed electrical facilities for subdivisions and commercial sites. I was required to go to

1760
02:25:55,320 --> 02:26:03,840
site plan meetings as part of my job duties. My former company's mission statement was,

1761
02:26:05,080 --> 02:26:12,220
safety starts with me. What that meant was whatever project I was responsible for designing

1762
02:26:12,220 --> 02:26:19,360
had to be safe and reliable. This led to my thought concerning design functions within

1763
02:26:19,360 --> 02:26:26,120
Green's Fair Reserve. I did not understand the narrowness of the main streets of

1764
02:26:26,120 --> 02:26:34,000
Diamondback drive until recent meetings regarding rezoning concerns. Our developer explained

1765
02:26:34,420 --> 02:26:42,080
to us the streets were purposely designed in a narrow manner to accommodate low and moderate

1766
02:26:42,080 --> 02:26:49,940
traffic. If just zoning, rezoning allows high density development near

1767
02:26:49,940 --> 02:26:55,000
Greenfair Reserve, this will affect the safety of our community and streets

1768
02:26:55,000 --> 02:27:02,500
given the capacity for low and moderate traffic. In conclusion, you have the

1769
02:27:02,500 --> 02:27:08,500
ability to keep our streets and community safe by voting against this

1770
02:27:08,500 --> 02:27:16,840
proposal. Please remember safety starts with me and safety starts with you. Thank you.

1771
02:27:17,040 --> 02:27:23,820
Thank you. Thank you, sir. Tina, I AT. We followed by Austin Pitman.

1772
02:27:24,820 --> 02:27:29,720
Thank you, Mayor and thank you, Council, for allowing us to speak. I'm Jenna Attie. I live in

1773
02:27:30,540 --> 02:27:38,080
Greensboro Reserve at 4915 Pearl River Court. I don't have a lot to add, but I would like to reiterate

1774
02:27:38,500 --> 02:27:41,980
the reason that we are also concerned about safety.

1775
02:27:42,700 --> 02:27:45,080
My motivation for standing here are my two little girls

1776
02:27:45,080 --> 02:27:48,740
that will be going to Greensboro Elementary School.

1777
02:27:49,700 --> 02:27:52,760
And some of our, my neighbors have described

1778
02:27:52,760 --> 02:27:53,920
some of their concerns.

1779
02:27:54,400 --> 02:27:56,400
And we love to walk around this neighborhood

1780
02:27:56,400 --> 02:27:57,980
and they are sometimes feral.

1781
02:27:58,700 --> 02:28:03,600
And I am highly concerned about one of them

1782
02:28:03,600 --> 02:28:06,140
in particular running out in traffic

1783
02:28:06,140 --> 02:28:10,420
despite me trying very hard to keep her near me.

1784
02:28:10,980 --> 02:28:16,140
And I'm one of many families who live there who I think as you increase the amount of density

1785
02:28:16,140 --> 02:28:20,900
and you increase this traffic, these have consequences that could be, and I'm not trying to be dramatic,

1786
02:28:21,240 --> 02:28:27,680
but these have catastrophic consequences if there aren't a reasonable outlet for these vehicles to go.

1787
02:28:28,300 --> 02:28:33,420
And there is an elementary school in that area right where this high density housing is supposed to go

1788
02:28:33,420 --> 02:28:38,560
that hasn't been given a lot of attention in addition to several other schools.

1789
02:28:39,280 --> 02:28:46,540
And there's inadequate planning for roads right now that that full assessment hasn't been made.

1790
02:28:47,380 --> 02:28:51,240
And it will back up into these neighborhoods where these small children and

1791
02:28:51,240 --> 02:28:57,200
these dogs and these people of all ages are trying to be outside and be with their families.

1792
02:28:57,820 --> 02:29:01,480
And I recognize the need for additional houses here.

1793
02:29:01,480 --> 02:29:04,880
But it can't come at the expense of the people who already live here.

1794
02:29:05,640 --> 02:29:12,120
And I would encourage you, as others have said, to consider what this rezoning to high density housing could mean.

1795
02:29:12,780 --> 02:29:18,980
And I know another member of our community came up here in support of the person who made this request.

1796
02:29:19,580 --> 02:29:25,660
And I would like to remind people that this person, the company that's made this request, doesn't have a flawless record.

1797
02:29:25,660 --> 02:29:30,920
and those lawsuits are plentiful, and they don't exactly, if you just do a quick Google search,

1798
02:29:32,100 --> 02:29:38,400
honesty is not something that comes really high on that search bar, and so I would be giving

1799
02:29:38,400 --> 02:29:46,480
something unrestricted is extremely nerve-wracking to those of us who live in these communities that are

1800
02:29:46,480 --> 02:29:52,540
immediately adjacent. So thank you so much for your time, and I will apologize to my daughters,

1801
02:29:52,540 --> 02:29:56,380
her missing their bedtime, but thank you. Thank you very much.

1802
02:29:57,560 --> 02:29:59,820
Awesome, Pittman. Awesome.

1803
02:30:04,400 --> 02:30:31,660
Thank you. Thank you, council mayor. I appreciate the opportunity. My name's Austin Pittman. I live at 2333 Storyteller Court in Greensboro Reserve. There are just a couple of points I would like to touch on in response to both the applicant and what other residents have said. I was me and my wonderful wife along with several of our neighbors were the ones who arranged and were encouraged by a member of council to make a committee to gauge

1804
02:30:31,660 --> 02:30:35,580
the feedback of our community and see what people wanted and we took that

1805
02:30:35,580 --> 02:30:40,420
advice wholeheartedly and we went around and we went to over 200 homes as was

1806
02:30:40,420 --> 02:30:44,740
mentioned by a previous resident not one of these residents despite the show

1807
02:30:44,740 --> 02:30:50,840
of people standing in support of this rezoning nobody wanted wants this

1808
02:30:50,840 --> 02:30:55,940
rezoning and everybody has major concerns about this rezoning I would also like

1809
02:30:55,940 --> 02:31:04,220
to touch on the point about the 3.75 homes per acre that the developer had alluded to saying

1810
02:31:04,220 --> 02:31:08,340
that the 880 cap that they would come out to 3.75 per acre.

1811
02:31:08,820 --> 02:31:12,820
My question, which was also proposed at the rezoning meeting, is why not restricted suburban.

1812
02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:15,340
This is clearly under the four homes per acre.

1813
02:31:15,940 --> 02:31:19,740
You guys asked the developer himself why not restricted suburban.

1814
02:31:20,080 --> 02:31:23,880
There wasn't much of a straight answer, but there was a straight answer given at the meeting

1815
02:31:23,880 --> 02:31:29,500
with DR Horton, which is that they cannot profitably do what they want to do in restricted

1816
02:31:29,500 --> 02:31:29,900
suburban.

1817
02:31:30,480 --> 02:31:34,780
For me as a resident and a tax paying citizen here, that's simply not a good enough answer

1818
02:31:34,780 --> 02:31:38,920
to say that a developer can't make a profit, therefore we're just going to allow general

1819
02:31:38,920 --> 02:31:40,580
suburban and what they would like to do.

1820
02:31:41,080 --> 02:31:41,300
To do.

1821
02:31:41,820 --> 02:31:46,440
I would also like to touch that our personal developer for GreensPray Reserve went around

1822
02:31:46,440 --> 02:31:52,120
during the staging, like the planning process, reached out to Sweetwater and Nantucket and

1823
02:31:52,120 --> 02:31:56,780
the surrounding communities and asked for feedback and chose restricted suburban despite

1824
02:31:56,780 --> 02:31:59,080
its lower probable profitability.

1825
02:32:00,540 --> 02:32:04,540
This developer said that they were invested in this community.

1826
02:32:04,760 --> 02:32:10,680
I would argue that if the Planning and Zoning Committee thinks this is a bad idea, your

1827
02:32:10,680 --> 02:32:15,140
feedback that you received from all of the residents in the area, I think this is a bad idea,

1828
02:32:15,600 --> 02:32:21,020
and yet you still find yourself saying we want to do general suburban for our profit margin.

1829
02:32:21,020 --> 02:32:25,000
I find that that is not investing in the community at all.

1830
02:32:26,240 --> 02:32:30,980
I would also like to point out one other thing that I,

1831
02:32:31,220 --> 02:32:37,140
one of the comparable subdivisions was Brewster Point that was listed as far as density.

1832
02:32:37,500 --> 02:32:41,320
I used to live in Brewster Point prior to moving to Greens Pray Reserve and I will say that

1833
02:32:41,320 --> 02:32:44,520
a lot almost all of my neighbors were student housing.

1834
02:32:45,100 --> 02:32:48,800
They were properties that were bought because they were affordable and rented out to students.

1835
02:32:48,800 --> 02:32:51,520
and it's my concern that that will happen with this area as well.

1836
02:32:52,620 --> 02:32:56,460
And as the last person who stood up here said, I would also like to ask,

1837
02:32:56,600 --> 02:33:01,060
is this fair for the residents that are in this area who have invested their time

1838
02:33:01,580 --> 02:33:07,140
that put down their roots to say to them, we will allow someone else to come in

1839
02:33:07,140 --> 02:33:16,420
with a non-compatible proposal and attach it to your neighborhood at your expense and have you

1840
02:33:16,420 --> 02:33:17,800
fight the traffic. Thank

1841
02:33:21,100 --> 02:33:22,280
you very much sir.

1842
02:33:27,050 --> 02:33:30,830
Thomas Walker. Be followed by Rebecca Bunig.

1843
02:33:31,730 --> 02:33:38,830
Good evening. Thanks for this opportunity. Names Tom Walker. I live at, and I just move

1844
02:33:38,830 --> 02:33:48,230
there. 49-15 dandelion court. Just moved there. In Greensboro Air Reserve.

1845
02:33:48,230 --> 02:33:53,710
wouldn't you know. And I've been a resident of this area for college

1846
02:33:53,710 --> 02:33:56,710
states for 20 years. So I've seen all this growth.

1847
02:33:59,410 --> 02:34:02,250
Everybody before me actually

1848
02:34:02,250 --> 02:34:07,830
stole my script. So I'm not going to bore you with that. And they they did it

1849
02:34:07,830 --> 02:34:12,610
better than I could have. I do want to touch on a few things. I do not believe

1850
02:34:12,610 --> 02:34:17,750
that we should go forward with this project the way it's defined. For all the

1851
02:34:17,750 --> 02:34:24,970
reasons everybody said, density, and yada yada yada. But I want to talk on some talk or touch on

1852
02:34:24,970 --> 02:34:32,910
some things that I don't think have really been stressed. The first is my perspective is this is

1853
02:34:32,910 --> 02:34:43,510
a low tax base endeavor relative to Greensboro Reserve. And some of the other properties that might be

1854
02:34:43,510 --> 02:34:53,290
built in that area, or not for this community because I think this community will depress property values.

1855
02:34:54,030 --> 02:35:04,710
It will disincentivize builders of more pricey homes, let me say, and homes that have higher tax basis.

1856
02:35:04,710 --> 02:35:13,010
I think this community will use more city resources than it will pay for in its taxes.

1857
02:35:14,050 --> 02:35:19,530
That will generate a tax deficit for citizens like myself.

1858
02:35:21,050 --> 02:35:25,250
And that's really important because I'm 78 years old.

1859
02:35:26,650 --> 02:35:30,450
Now, I'm here to talk about senior citizens.

1860
02:35:30,450 --> 02:35:36,490
As you know, over the 20 years that I've been here, they have been a driving force of

1861
02:35:36,490 --> 02:35:39,490
the growth. A lot of Aggies come home.

1862
02:35:42,680 --> 02:35:44,680
They're going to spend their last years here.

1863
02:35:47,440 --> 02:35:57,020
So, up this portans for Aggies, and I'm sorry, I'm not an Aggie. I'm a Buckeye. My wife's

1864
02:35:57,020 --> 02:36:08,900
So, what it portends are two really devastating things for senior citizens, in my view, and maybe

1865
02:36:08,900 --> 02:36:18,620
even many. The first is the dependency of devaluation of what is likely the most important

1866
02:36:18,620 --> 02:36:26,900
valuable asset. Think carefully about that because the dominoes could fall based on what you do

1867
02:36:26,900 --> 02:36:34,040
here in the next days or so or maybe even tonight I don't know but there are three

1868
02:36:34,040 --> 02:36:40,020
plots of land and you've got to understand in your mind whether those are

1869
02:36:40,020 --> 02:36:42,320
going to be developed alike the

1870
02:36:45,720 --> 02:36:49,980
communities that are there now that provide

1871
02:36:49,980 --> 02:36:52,520
a strong tax basis thank

1872
02:37:11,040 --> 02:37:13,560
you sir thank you major point thank you

1873
02:37:19,130 --> 02:37:20,230
well thank you

1874
02:37:20,230 --> 02:37:22,290
We get the point you've been making.

1875
02:37:22,490 --> 02:37:23,310
Thank you.

1876
02:37:25,590 --> 02:37:30,170
Rebecca, and then Heather Huntley will follow Ms. Boney.

1877
02:37:33,350 --> 02:37:36,390
Hello, I'm Rebecca Baynick, and I also live in Sweetwater

1878
02:37:36,390 --> 02:37:38,070
at 4104 Lakeland.

1879
02:37:38,610 --> 02:37:40,550
I have lived in Sweetwater for 24 years.

1880
02:37:41,210 --> 02:37:43,510
I think you've heard most of the concerns that we have

1881
02:37:43,510 --> 02:37:45,030
in Sweetwater because of the fact

1882
02:37:45,030 --> 02:37:47,070
that we don't have sidewalks, we don't have streetlights.

1883
02:37:47,670 --> 02:37:49,430
The street is our sidewalk.

1884
02:37:50,290 --> 02:37:53,930
We would like to ask if you do go forward with this,

1885
02:37:53,930 --> 02:37:58,090
we were told that the only reason that you would need to connect into Whipperville is for

1886
02:37:58,090 --> 02:38:03,130
exit in case there was an emergency in this new subdivision. So we would like to know

1887
02:38:03,130 --> 02:38:07,690
if we could put a gate up that you could open during an emergency, but it would stay closed

1888
02:38:07,690 --> 02:38:12,310
if we didn't need, because we don't need all that traffic coming through our neighborhood.

1889
02:38:14,650 --> 02:38:22,110
They say that they're going to have four homes per acre and that is their average. So if you look

1890
02:38:22,110 --> 02:38:26,130
at the plan, there are actually areas where they're planning on putting almost eight homes

1891
02:38:26,130 --> 02:38:31,530
for acre. So you're talking about extremely high density. We already have a problem with

1892
02:38:31,530 --> 02:38:36,790
traffic on Greenspare Road. I would think that because they only have one exit on Greenspare,

1893
02:38:36,890 --> 02:38:41,630
this is going to cause at least another traffic light to go up on Greenspare. It's hard

1894
02:38:41,630 --> 02:38:46,510
enough to get out of Sweetwater as it is because we exit onto a county road because we are

1895
02:38:46,510 --> 02:38:51,630
a county road. It's hard to turn left on Sweetwater out of Sweetwater. It's going to be even

1896
02:38:51,630 --> 02:38:57,170
And more difficult once you have another 1,600 cars coming out of this neighborhood.

1897
02:38:57,950 --> 02:39:03,310
If these homes are sold to investors, you don't have some of these garages or one car

1898
02:39:03,310 --> 02:39:07,270
garage, one and a half car garages, very little driveway, you're going to have more cars

1899
02:39:07,270 --> 02:39:11,090
in the street, and again more cars pouring out into our neighborhoods.

1900
02:39:12,470 --> 02:39:20,390
One of the things that yesterday the mayor was on WTAW and Scott Delusia asked about the

1901
02:39:20,390 --> 02:39:25,290
the fact that what was going to happen because these homes are not going to hold their value.

1902
02:39:25,590 --> 02:39:28,890
And is this something that you want as a legacy and

1903
02:39:28,890 --> 02:39:32,670
college station to have a whole neighborhood that does not hold its value?

1904
02:39:33,210 --> 02:39:41,450
The question was not answered, and it was just then talked about the fact that we need lower price housing.

1905
02:39:41,750 --> 02:39:45,430
But no issue about the fact that these homes will not hold their value.

1906
02:39:45,430 --> 02:40:00,310
This builder has hundreds of lawsuits, including multiple class action lawsuits against them because of the fact that they get you into a price, they tell you your home is going to cost $2,100 a month.

1907
02:40:00,870 --> 02:40:06,990
And then two months later they say, oh, by the way, here's your taxes, your taxes out another $1,000.

1908
02:40:06,990 --> 02:40:12,790
dollars. If you're budgeting for a $2,000 mortgage, you can't afford a $3,000 mortgage.

1909
02:40:13,490 --> 02:40:18,130
Do we really want to expose the constituents of this neighborhood of this community to

1910
02:40:18,130 --> 02:40:22,830
a builder that has these kind of practices and these kind of lawsuits? And it's not just

1911
02:40:22,830 --> 02:40:28,890
a few mayor. It's hundreds of lawsuits. Every state that they build in, they are being

1912
02:40:28,890 --> 02:40:35,810
sued for bad quality and for defrauding their clients with these scams about what your

1913
02:40:35,810 --> 02:40:37,190
costs are truly going to be.

1914
02:40:39,520 --> 02:40:41,560
Your time is about up, Ms. Manny.

1915
02:40:42,120 --> 02:40:42,280
Okay.

1916
02:40:43,600 --> 02:40:47,460
No, we're the three minutes are up. Thank you.

1917
02:40:49,240 --> 02:40:54,820
Ms. Huntley, Heather Huntley, be followed by Val and CPEC.

1918
02:41:01,510 --> 02:41:05,710
Good evening. My name is Heather Huntley. I live in the Greens Prairie Reserve neighborhood

1919
02:41:05,710 --> 02:41:10,890
as well. And I'm also against the proposed Windom Track rezoning.

1920
02:41:11,650 --> 02:41:18,370
Again, most of my points have already been mentioned, so I just want to say a few points

1921
02:41:18,370 --> 02:41:19,930
that I haven't really heard that much.

1922
02:41:20,470 --> 02:41:23,770
Again, the neighborhood compatibility is obviously an issue for us.

1923
02:41:24,450 --> 02:41:26,870
I'm not going to beat a dead horse at this point.

1924
02:41:27,510 --> 02:41:34,910
Although I do think that the small lot sizes, I appreciate the ideas of adding to the buffer

1925
02:41:34,910 --> 02:41:39,430
zones and those kinds of things, but it really doesn't fix the main concern that I have

1926
02:41:39,430 --> 02:41:44,670
about compatibility. Traffic has also been talked about a lot. One thing that I

1927
02:41:44,670 --> 02:41:49,530
haven't heard too much about is Earrington Road. Green's Prairie Reserve goes

1928
02:41:49,530 --> 02:41:54,230
out into Earrington Road which is a small two-lane road with no shoulders as of

1929
02:41:54,230 --> 02:42:00,510
right now. People walk and bike along it and I am very concerned about safety there

1930
02:42:00,510 --> 02:42:04,870
as well as within our own neighborhood. Our neighborhood has been designed to

1931
02:42:04,870 --> 02:42:09,190
encourage walking and biking and outdoor activity and it doesn't just stay

1932
02:42:09,190 --> 02:42:11,690
within our little neighborhood, we go out as well.

1933
02:42:12,730 --> 02:42:14,750
And then also with general infrastructure,

1934
02:42:15,750 --> 02:42:18,350
I really do believe this zoning could negatively impact

1935
02:42:18,350 --> 02:42:19,970
the water and sewer capacity.

1936
02:42:20,410 --> 02:42:22,850
My understanding is that the existing utilities

1937
02:42:22,850 --> 02:42:25,130
and drainage systems were designed and installed

1938
02:42:25,650 --> 02:42:28,010
under the assumption that this tract assumption

1939
02:42:28,010 --> 02:42:30,590
that this tract would eventually be developed,

1940
02:42:30,890 --> 02:42:34,670
but not at this level of density that is being proposed.

1941
02:42:35,270 --> 02:42:36,310
So that is concerning.

1942
02:42:36,310 --> 02:42:49,270
I also hear from different folks that College Station ISD is stagnant in growth as someone who has a child in the district at Peacond Trail Intermediate.

1943
02:42:49,690 --> 02:43:04,350
I don't see that. I see very, I think that you guys are rezoning as it is and class sizes are large there. So in this particular area of town, we don't see that and I'm concerned about that impact as well.

1944
02:43:05,050 --> 02:43:11,090
I'd like to say, I'm not against change, I'm a resident of a fairly new and still developing

1945
02:43:12,290 --> 02:43:17,450
neighborhood, and I appreciate that change can be a good thing, however, I don't believe

1946
02:43:17,450 --> 02:43:21,410
that rezoning this location to a higher density is the right decision.

1947
02:43:21,970 --> 02:43:27,690
I've emailed each of you already, and I appreciate your time today, and I appreciate the five

1948
02:43:27,690 --> 02:43:29,150
of you that did respond to me.

1949
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I'm confident that you want to do what is best for college station.

1950
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And I respectfully request that you are city representatives, act as a gatekeeper for responsible growth, and for thoughtful zoning.

1951
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Please agree with the Planning Zoning Commission's recommendation and do not approve the request.

1952
02:43:47,650 --> 02:43:48,130
Thank you.

1953
02:43:48,390 --> 02:43:48,750
Thank you.

1954
02:43:49,530 --> 02:43:55,510
Mr. Rowland, CPAC, Rowland CPAC may follow by Charlotte Gray.

1955
02:44:06,810 --> 02:44:07,610
Good evening.

1956
02:44:08,130 --> 02:44:14,410
While others have shared thoughts that are incredible in opinions on the views of the zoning into land to general suburban,

1957
02:44:15,130 --> 02:44:24,010
I think what has not been mentioned that there is a duty not to just look at the outcome of our decisions for the next couple years before our decisions for the next decade.

1958
02:44:25,030 --> 02:44:32,790
Our responsibilities to be had about protecting neighborhood integrity and this council has taken that responsibility seriously and many appreciate it.

1959
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However, I want to add that all those neighborhoods had to be built at some point.

1960
02:44:38,550 --> 02:44:44,470
To have the legacy and integrity that so many are passionate about is a great thing, but

1961
02:44:44,470 --> 02:44:48,930
not if you're opposed from allowing others from yourself creating the neighborhood to

1962
02:44:48,930 --> 02:44:49,310
protect.

1963
02:44:50,270 --> 02:44:54,670
Midtown, while being new and fresh is doing a great job on building community and building

1964
02:44:54,670 --> 02:44:55,570
neighborhood integrity.

1965
02:44:56,310 --> 02:44:59,970
And their area over there and part of their world is accomplishing

1966
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:05,740
Meeting, great things. However, it had to be built as a neighborhood. Midtown being situated

1967
02:45:05,740 --> 02:45:10,800
between Pebble Creek, Bird Pond, and Emeral Forest has not diminished or degraded the

1968
02:45:10,800 --> 02:45:15,120
neighborhood integrity of either of those neighborhoods, but has brought great, multi-generational

1969
02:45:15,120 --> 02:45:21,120
neighbors who enjoy the luxuries of the landscape. We sit and we complain about workforce housing

1970
02:45:21,120 --> 02:45:25,980
and how we want to provide lower housing for our nurses, teachers, first responders, and

1971
02:45:25,980 --> 02:45:29,920
young adults to have the opportunity to build generational wealth for themselves while

1972
02:45:29,920 --> 02:45:31,900
taking the first step to buying a home.

1973
02:45:32,560 --> 02:45:35,280
However, to do that, we have to have homes being built.

1974
02:45:36,140 --> 02:45:39,540
Anyone who is born in this country has the opportunity to chase the American dream.

1975
02:45:40,020 --> 02:45:44,840
And part of that dream is working hard, building wealth, and buying your first home.

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This city has a housing action plan.

1977
02:45:47,960 --> 02:45:52,940
And in that plan, it says, the City Council will work to support affordable housing efforts

1978
02:45:52,940 --> 02:46:00,080
through funding or other means of support and encourage an adequate supply of safe, decent,

1979
02:46:00,360 --> 02:46:05,740
affordable, and sustainable housing in the city. This proposal meets the criteria that you

1980
02:46:05,740 --> 02:46:10,160
set in the plan and you approved and I encourage you to consider that when you're making your decision.

1981
02:46:10,780 --> 02:46:16,400
We have to add to the housing supply. It has to be done or we are going to fall behind much other

1982
02:46:16,400 --> 02:46:22,320
cities growing outside of this area and lose young professionals who want to work and live here but

1983
02:46:22,320 --> 02:46:28,420
can't afford to do so. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. C. Pack. Charlotte Gray.

1984
02:46:30,920 --> 02:46:33,160
Charlotte Gray, followed by Hunter Goodwin.

1985
02:46:38,490 --> 02:46:43,230
Hi, my name is Charlotte Gray. I live in

1986
02:46:43,230 --> 02:46:48,670
Grace Perry Reserve and have lived there for two years. My address is 4911

1987
02:46:48,670 --> 02:46:54,510
Dandelion Court, so I'm in the Grove. I also lived in Dan Tuckett for 15 years. I'm

1988
02:46:54,510 --> 02:47:00,130
against the rezoning of Windermans for the traffic congestion impact that it will have

1989
02:47:00,130 --> 02:47:00,970
on Earrington Road.

1990
02:47:01,150 --> 02:47:06,330
I know everyone spoke about Grease Perry's The Nightmare of Well, Earrington Road is also

1991
02:47:06,330 --> 02:47:08,030
and these are my concerns.

1992
02:47:08,630 --> 02:47:14,390
Someone mentioned it a little bit ago, but Earrington is a two-way street with a ditch on each

1993
02:47:14,390 --> 02:47:22,770
side that usually has dead wildlife with cultures lined up, eating, that you have to dodge

1994
02:47:22,770 --> 02:47:29,410
around. Deer don't just die on the side of the road. They get hit by an automobile.

1995
02:47:30,630 --> 02:47:36,510
Second, there are school buses that stop on Earrington to load and unload children.

1996
02:47:37,630 --> 02:47:43,770
Thirdly, I'm concerned for the joggers and the bicycle riders that ride and run on

1997
02:47:43,770 --> 02:47:49,810
the shoulder have actually witnessed in my profession a bicycle rider killed in

1998
02:47:49,810 --> 02:47:52,290
in the same conditions.

1999
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I pray every day that I drive to HB that someone doesn't get killed.

2000
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I purchase my home and GPR for the beautiful amenities and for the peace and wildlife.

2001
02:48:05,790 --> 02:48:08,210
The result for your vote will threaten that.

2002
02:48:08,690 --> 02:48:11,210
I'm asking you to vote your conscience and to vote no.

2003
02:48:11,630 --> 02:48:11,970
Thank you.

2004
02:48:12,470 --> 02:48:13,410
Thank you very much.

2005
02:48:14,710 --> 02:48:16,090
The good one, do you speak?

2006
02:48:19,400 --> 02:48:21,160
100 good one, 1011, I see him court.

2007
02:48:22,000 --> 02:48:23,100
A couple of things I'll say.

2008
02:48:24,860 --> 02:48:28,560
I had my team look at the last two years of P and Z meetings.

2009
02:48:29,120 --> 02:48:32,780
In that time there were 30 meetings consisting of multiple items.

2010
02:48:33,700 --> 02:48:37,800
In all of those discussions, there was only one item related to zoning

2011
02:48:37,800 --> 02:48:40,960
that was unanimously voted to deny and it was this project.

2012
02:48:41,120 --> 02:48:43,400
That should be telling to all of you.

2013
02:48:44,540 --> 02:48:49,800
Secondarily, when you look at the history of these two tracks, they've been lumped together in the comp plan forever.

2014
02:48:50,120 --> 02:48:55,460
If you go all the way back to 2013, they were both designated as a state from a land use perspective.

2015
02:48:56,060 --> 02:49:00,680
In 2013, those were both changed to restricted suburban from a land use perspective.

2016
02:49:01,160 --> 02:49:07,500
And in 2020, the city decided to simplify their designations on land use and in doing that,

2017
02:49:07,500 --> 02:49:10,220
that they created two different zoning districts,

2018
02:49:10,540 --> 02:49:13,480
suburban, residential, and estate residential.

2019
02:49:13,920 --> 02:49:16,500
In each of those, they added zoning districts,

2020
02:49:16,940 --> 02:49:18,640
so they remained the land uses,

2021
02:49:18,840 --> 02:49:20,100
so they didn't match the zoning.

2022
02:49:20,600 --> 02:49:23,320
When they did that, they added this other zoning district.

2023
02:49:23,480 --> 02:49:25,180
My point in that whole message is,

2024
02:49:25,520 --> 02:49:27,740
for about 20 years, these two tracks,

2025
02:49:27,960 --> 02:49:30,880
and their desired intent were exactly the same,

2026
02:49:30,880 --> 02:49:34,280
and at one point, they were on the comp plan

2027
02:49:34,280 --> 02:49:36,260
as a land use of restricted suburban,

2028
02:49:36,260 --> 02:49:38,620
which matched the restricted suburban zoning.

2029
02:49:39,020 --> 02:49:42,780
The other comment that was asked earlier is, why no PDD?

2030
02:49:43,940 --> 02:49:48,620
And I was actually approached by multiple developers from outside

2031
02:49:48,620 --> 02:49:50,580
and consultants that asked me,

2032
02:49:50,680 --> 02:49:52,520
minutes, odd, they're going to straight zoning.

2033
02:49:53,280 --> 02:49:54,680
Here's why they're going to straight zoning.

2034
02:49:55,080 --> 02:49:57,320
It's simple and not one thing that they promised up here

2035
02:49:57,320 --> 02:49:58,480
you can hold accountable.

2036
02:49:59,180 --> 02:50:01,520
In our subdivision, we have HOAs.

2037
02:50:02,040 --> 02:50:05,280
In those HOAs, we restrict no short-term rental as allowed

2038
02:50:05,280 --> 02:50:10,340
and because we did it up front, we also do not allow more than two unrelated.

2039
02:50:10,900 --> 02:50:15,840
Do you know who the largest developer of build-or-ent communities are in this entire US?

2040
02:50:16,720 --> 02:50:19,380
DHI is a subsidiary owned by this applicant.

2041
02:50:20,180 --> 02:50:26,120
You have no way of restricting them if you approve straight zoning from turning this into a build-or-ent community.

2042
02:50:26,820 --> 02:50:30,220
Not only is that possible, I would argue it's probably plausible.

2043
02:50:30,220 --> 02:50:37,680
And it's one of the most egregious acts, in my opinion, when you look at the core fundamentals

2044
02:50:37,680 --> 02:50:44,140
of compatibility and being harmonious, this is not harmonious to any of the adjacent subdivisions

2045
02:50:44,140 --> 02:50:45,000
that exist today.

2046
02:50:45,440 --> 02:50:49,720
So while I appreciate what Mr. Vailen said earlier, I agree with him.

2047
02:50:50,040 --> 02:50:51,200
We do need affordable homes.

2048
02:50:51,660 --> 02:50:55,560
I just don't think it's right to do them right in the heart of the doughnut, where everyone

2049
02:50:55,560 --> 02:50:59,420
around you is not anything close to this level of density.

2050
02:50:59,420 --> 02:51:04,660
It's completely inappropriate. It was found that way by your P and Z, and they are the

2051
02:51:04,660 --> 02:51:09,240
most unpolitical body. Where do they get calls? Where do they get people that show up?

2052
02:51:09,620 --> 02:51:13,920
It is an A political group. And the last thing I want to say, I've got 17 seconds. I did

2053
02:51:13,920 --> 02:51:19,760
a PDD. There's at least one council member that sat on that board. What they did not tell

2054
02:51:19,760 --> 02:51:24,200
you is you have to have a base zoning district. My base zoning district remained, and do

2055
02:51:24,200 --> 02:51:27,840
you know how many my lots from the original preliminary plan I submitted?

2056
02:51:27,840 --> 02:51:28,120
All

2057
02:51:36,080 --> 02:51:37,120
right, sir.

2058
02:51:42,280 --> 02:51:45,620
Ms. Macias, would you like to come back to the podium, please?

2059
02:51:46,780 --> 02:51:47,960
Is that that is the

2060
02:51:48,820 --> 02:51:50,780
people that wish to speak and

2061
02:51:51,540 --> 02:51:53,060
we need to move to

2062
02:51:54,180 --> 02:51:56,000
Council discussion, but I want little guidance.

2063
02:51:56,940 --> 02:52:01,640
Do you have the zoning criteria that you put up there on the screen or not?

2064
02:52:02,020 --> 02:52:04,260
I do not. You do not, but they are five?

2065
02:52:04,800 --> 02:52:06,220
Yes, sir. Okay

2066
02:52:08,200 --> 02:52:11,780
that most everybody here has been on planning and zoning so I hope you remember

2067
02:52:11,780 --> 02:52:14,780
that. Is there a way to get the criteria up?

2068
02:52:18,230 --> 02:52:19,290
Somebody's got somebody's got

2069
02:52:19,290 --> 02:52:23,610
to crack. They are in the packet on page 652. I know that's not up on the screen.

2070
02:52:23,670 --> 02:52:30,630
Yeah that's true they're already in the packet. So if you don't have it open but

2071
02:52:30,630 --> 02:52:35,150
that's really what planning and zoning had to consider and that's what we have to

2072
02:52:35,150 --> 02:52:42,300
consider. I will open the question for Miss. You're okay.

2073
02:52:42,860 --> 02:52:45,800
I just have one question. You have your question for staff.

2074
02:52:46,080 --> 02:52:50,200
You said 652. Yeah, I have a question for Rob.

2075
02:52:54,680 --> 02:52:55,800
One of the things that I found

2076
02:52:55,800 --> 02:53:00,380
interesting as the immediate past year of planning and zoning commission is that

2077
02:53:00,380 --> 02:53:04,140
I find it very interesting that something can be presented to planning and zoning

2078
02:53:04,140 --> 02:53:12,340
Commission, and then fundamental changes can be made between the time that it is presented

2079
02:53:12,340 --> 02:53:15,080
to PNZ and then when it comes to Council.

2080
02:53:16,540 --> 02:53:25,360
And what backstop do we have to make sure that we have an accurate recommendation from

2081
02:53:25,360 --> 02:53:25,720
PNZ?

2082
02:53:25,960 --> 02:53:26,740
And that's in any case.

2083
02:53:26,740 --> 02:53:32,820
I think they made a great decision in this case, but they aren't privy to the information

2084
02:53:32,820 --> 02:53:36,920
that we got tonight. So that's one question.

2085
02:53:39,120 --> 02:53:42,460
Do we have any obligation to take something

2086
02:53:42,460 --> 02:53:43,600
back to PNZ?

2087
02:53:45,870 --> 02:53:51,990
I can let Adams speak to that if he would like. But I mean, go ahead. Sorry.

2088
02:53:52,390 --> 02:53:56,510
The answer is no, there's not an obligation to take it back to PNZ. The information that

2089
02:53:56,510 --> 02:54:00,950
staff presented to you tonight was the same information that was presented at the Planning

2090
02:54:00,950 --> 02:54:07,870
and zoning commission, what did change was the applicants, the applicants proposal

2091
02:54:07,870 --> 02:54:14,090
and that was due to the responses that they heard at their public meetings.

2092
02:54:14,410 --> 02:54:19,150
So has the application to the city been modified or only the presentation that was made?

2093
02:54:19,430 --> 02:54:24,350
The application has not been modified, so I think that's an important point.

2094
02:54:25,350 --> 02:54:27,330
Those are my questions, I'll have more later, I'm sure.

2095
02:54:27,330 --> 02:54:30,870
Let me just add another process question.

2096
02:54:31,610 --> 02:54:37,890
If we deny this, there's a certain number of months or days that they can't come back

2097
02:54:37,890 --> 02:54:39,830
until after a certain number of days.

2098
02:54:40,150 --> 02:54:40,590
What is that?

2099
02:54:41,450 --> 02:54:46,650
180 days unless there is a significant change to the application.

2100
02:54:47,030 --> 02:54:47,290
Okay.

2101
02:54:47,570 --> 02:54:52,870
So they could come back with a different application that might have a PDD in it.

2102
02:54:52,870 --> 02:54:59,570
For example, just a or a different zoning district within the 180 days, if it was different.

2103
02:54:59,930 --> 02:55:00,610
That is correct.

2104
02:55:00,810 --> 02:55:02,390
They could come in with a different request.

2105
02:55:02,670 --> 02:55:13,710
The reasoning why we did not move forward with the PDD zoning district as they originally heard they originally came in with is that with a PDD zoning district.

2106
02:55:13,970 --> 02:55:22,430
The city is looking, the city does not allow PDDs that do not change the original zoning district.

2107
02:55:22,430 --> 02:55:33,350
So this request is something that can be accomplished using a general suburban zoning district, and they also have to provide a community benefit with a PDD zoning district as well.

2108
02:55:33,530 --> 02:55:41,170
Which they felt didn't fit their business model, they decided they didn't want to pursue it is what I heard applicants say.

2109
02:55:41,170 --> 02:55:50,430
As city staff, we did not take forward a PDD request as the general suburban zoning district

2110
02:55:51,050 --> 02:55:52,610
accomplished what they would like.

2111
02:55:52,850 --> 02:55:59,190
Okay, I understand that, but it was their decision not to pursue whatever aspects of PDD they

2112
02:55:59,190 --> 02:55:59,430
wanted.

2113
02:55:59,890 --> 02:56:00,250
Am I?

2114
02:56:00,690 --> 02:56:01,470
Maybe I missed it.

2115
02:56:01,530 --> 02:56:02,010
It was mutual.

2116
02:56:02,410 --> 02:56:06,430
I would say it was a direction from staff when they can't pour, like Robyn said with the PDD.

2117
02:56:07,650 --> 02:56:11,590
Again, you have to, you need to be doing something innovative and different, so you're looking

2118
02:56:11,590 --> 02:56:16,030
to make some subsidies somewhere, some modifications, and you provide an offset that with the benefit.

2119
02:56:16,430 --> 02:56:19,790
If you can accomplish something through the use of a straight zoning district, so Castlegate

2120
02:56:19,790 --> 02:56:23,750
II is a great example, it's no different than what could come here, that is a straight zoning

2121
02:56:23,750 --> 02:56:24,110
district.

2122
02:56:24,550 --> 02:56:28,210
When you do a PDD, you're trying to do something that is very different, and that's where you

2123
02:56:28,210 --> 02:56:29,750
go into the additional modifications, et cetera.

2124
02:56:29,890 --> 02:56:34,730
If you can be accomplished via a normal zoning district, we aren't going to recommend you

2125
02:56:34,730 --> 02:56:37,930
to go through this other process in support.

2126
02:56:38,570 --> 02:56:40,490
And so I would say it was a mutual change.

2127
02:56:40,490 --> 02:56:41,950
It wasn't necessarily one person together,

2128
02:56:42,070 --> 02:56:43,290
but that was a conversation between staff

2129
02:56:43,890 --> 02:56:45,630
and the applicant on what's the best way

2130
02:56:45,630 --> 02:56:46,750
to present this application forward.

2131
02:56:47,270 --> 02:56:49,810
Okay, I'd seem Mr. Wright with his finger up.

2132
02:56:49,870 --> 02:56:51,310
He wants to ask a further question.

2133
02:56:51,910 --> 02:56:52,730
Question for staff.

2134
02:56:53,090 --> 02:56:54,530
We're just doing questions at this point.

2135
02:56:54,990 --> 02:56:55,710
Yeah, okay.

2136
02:56:55,930 --> 02:56:56,130
Absolutely.

2137
02:56:57,230 --> 02:56:59,550
You answered my question on PDD because I was gonna ask that.

2138
02:57:00,030 --> 02:57:02,330
The other one was a lot of questions about traffic

2139
02:57:02,330 --> 02:57:04,350
and I'm sure traffic impact analysis

2140
02:57:07,410 --> 02:57:23,070
I think I pretty much understand why I didn't go all the way down to Arrington because at some point that's just further down from the development, but can you kind of speak to as why that might be and just kind of what kind of traffic analysis we have.

2141
02:57:23,530 --> 02:57:27,290
Yeah, so Jason can give you the nuts and bolts but basically it's over a mile away from

2142
02:57:27,290 --> 02:57:31,550
the intersection that was done so we're looking at a mile radius of the area to be studied.

2143
02:57:31,750 --> 02:57:36,390
In addition to that there's a current ongoing project that the county is working on for

2144
02:57:36,390 --> 02:57:40,630
that intersection which will have substantial improvements and they take into account all

2145
02:57:40,630 --> 02:57:42,910
the development and the comp plan and things like that.

2146
02:57:43,470 --> 02:57:47,090
Everything that the city is looking at from a density standpoint is based on the conference

2147
02:57:47,090 --> 02:57:51,930
of plan, all of our infrastructure is size and according to those assumptions and so

2148
02:57:51,930 --> 02:57:57,450
So, one, it was well outside the boundary, what would be typical for a TIA to be established

2149
02:57:57,450 --> 02:58:01,290
and two, beyond that, there's already an ongoing project in that vein.

2150
02:58:01,730 --> 02:58:01,850
Right.

2151
02:58:02,010 --> 02:58:02,130
Sorry.

2152
02:58:02,370 --> 02:58:03,590
I'm going to jump off.

2153
02:58:03,810 --> 02:58:05,750
Before we get to Jason, I'm going to jump off some of you said really quickly.

2154
02:58:06,190 --> 02:58:08,850
Was the assumption that there would never be this quote-unquote dense?

2155
02:58:10,910 --> 02:58:11,310
No.

2156
02:58:11,510 --> 02:58:14,970
So, actually, when the comp plan looks at, we've changed it over to the suburban residential

2157
02:58:14,970 --> 02:58:17,450
as Mr. Goodle mentioned, he's spot on.

2158
02:58:17,850 --> 02:58:21,190
There were some changes that happened over time when the comp plan changed.

2159
02:58:21,190 --> 02:58:26,590
We kind of almost had this pseudo-pre-zoning of your track with the comp plan back in the day.

2160
02:58:26,790 --> 02:58:31,430
We had you comp plan it to RS, to zone it to RS, and that's not how comp plan should work.

2161
02:58:32,390 --> 02:58:37,570
So we brought in that out in 2021 with the update, with a 10 year update, the major overall of the Comprehensive Plan.

2162
02:58:38,230 --> 02:58:43,170
We changed that, and when we did that, all of our models were also looked at and adjusted to account for that.

2163
02:58:43,330 --> 02:58:50,070
So there's averages that get done when we look at these, the Comprehensive Plan, and certainly was zoning when we kind of nail that in.

2164
02:58:50,490 --> 02:58:57,550
But all of all these projects and all our third-party plans are master plans taken to account what the comp plan has to offer and it's been that way.

2165
02:58:57,810 --> 02:59:02,590
The comp plan has been in the state of the nation since 2021 and so everything we have to date has been using those assumptions.

2166
02:59:02,590 --> 02:59:04,910
The comp plan assumed 800.

2167
02:59:06,190 --> 02:59:06,990
Or some.

2168
02:59:07,590 --> 02:59:13,990
Yeah, so it assumes it depends on the model you're looking at but there's usually an average of anywhere from 4 to 6 I would say across this whole area.

2169
02:59:13,990 --> 02:59:17,810
So we take the blanket area, we're probably assuming four to six in general for like a water

2170
02:59:17,810 --> 02:59:18,070
demand.

2171
02:59:18,830 --> 02:59:22,510
There's a worst case, and I mean really nuts and bolts these will stop me, but there's

2172
02:59:22,510 --> 02:59:27,470
a worst case, an average case, and then kind of like if nothing happened.

2173
02:59:27,950 --> 02:59:31,470
And so we run different models at those cases, and essentially we're looking at the middle.

2174
02:59:31,670 --> 02:59:36,630
So if there was in this case, four to eight would be your kind of worst case and best case,

2175
02:59:36,690 --> 02:59:40,530
we're going to take a six usually, you're going to meet in the middle, and then your average

2176
02:59:40,530 --> 02:59:44,490
that out and as things come in over time we can hone that in a little bit a little bit further.

2177
02:59:47,040 --> 02:59:49,640
Mr. Smith. Go ahead.

2178
02:59:50,000 --> 02:59:53,540
Oh, you want a Jason to speak? I'm sorry.

2179
02:59:54,400 --> 02:59:58,420
Good evening. Jason Shabrick playing development services. So this application did have a

2180
02:59:58,420 --> 02:59:59,800
Check for the impact analysis.

2181
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:29,940
I was submitted in 2016, the city changed our ordinances where single-film developments of really any size would need to do so. It did study seven intersections, five of those are on Greenspray Road. The ordinance section 7.13 in the audio gives some guidance on what's your study area. Generally when you go beyond a mile, that's kind of like beyond what I guess the normal study scope is. And so specifically the intersection of Greenspray Road in Errington is more than

2182
03:00:29,940 --> 03:00:34,400
a mile from this development and so I went to from Castlegate Drive down to

2183
03:00:34,400 --> 03:00:38,020
Wood Lake Drive and the five different intersections, three more in between

2184
03:00:38,020 --> 03:00:41,820
there. The other part that Anthony had mentioned is that it's part of the

2185
03:00:41,820 --> 03:00:47,000
county bond. The textile in the county are working together on a project on

2186
03:00:47,000 --> 03:00:51,940
William B. Fitch. The Greens Perry Errington intersection is literally hundreds of

2187
03:00:51,940 --> 03:00:57,780
feet away from that. They actually operate, you can't change it without you know

2188
03:00:57,780 --> 03:01:03,640
If you take everybody out, then they're just going to be backed up because pitches is the impediment there.

2189
03:01:03,820 --> 03:01:11,500
So they're actually connected together, text.nows need to be improvements there, and so they've been working on a concept, and those are connected.

2190
03:01:11,760 --> 03:01:18,580
So ultimately, as well as beyond the study boundary, that intersection in that area is understudied to be improved.

2191
03:01:19,200 --> 03:01:27,120
And so it's not really, I guess, the burden of this development to go to some major project when it's already been identified through text.nows to do so.

2192
03:01:29,540 --> 03:01:44,400
Okay. Okay, Mr. Seth. My question has to do again with process. Okay, the drainage drainage seems to be one of the big one of the issues that were raised.

2193
03:01:45,360 --> 03:01:52,680
And I know that you look at, well, zoning, you're not looking at drainage.

2194
03:01:53,340 --> 03:01:58,720
Correct. So at some point in the development process, you look at drainage and

2195
03:02:00,200 --> 03:02:06,200
detention and things like that that would mitigate the potential impact downstream.

2196
03:02:06,860 --> 03:02:09,920
When in the process is that considered and how is it done?

2197
03:02:10,700 --> 03:02:16,080
Yeah, so the first time we look at it is on a holistic scale at the preliminary plans that would be the next stage after this.

2198
03:02:16,300 --> 03:02:21,080
We're basically looking for areas designated for detention pawns, any green space areas, floodplain areas, things like that.

2199
03:02:21,080 --> 03:02:26,300
They have to do kind of a preliminary study of that and then we get into construction drawings the final plot documents

2200
03:02:26,300 --> 03:02:28,500
We're nailing down. There's drainage reports

2201
03:02:29,340 --> 03:02:34,480
There's the BCS guidelines so the city has joined standards with our city to the north and there's a

2202
03:02:34,480 --> 03:02:40,660
Comprehensive list of guidelines. It's hundreds of pages long on what everyone has to follow and meet in order to to build in the city call station

2203
03:02:40,660 --> 03:02:48,120
And those that's detention that size of the pipes rose etc all that gets looked at during the construction plan for process

2204
03:02:48,120 --> 03:02:50,080
Before any dirt is moved on the ground

2205
03:02:50,080 --> 03:03:02,840
Okay. Another question. Okay, several speakers have mentioned concerns with the, I don't know, the reputation or the, of the, of the developer, the builder.

2206
03:03:03,640 --> 03:03:09,760
Can the city deny building permits or deny applications based on that reputational issue?

2207
03:03:10,440 --> 03:03:16,120
We cannot, and the attorneys are probably squirming in their channels, but no, you cannot, we can't look at property owners.

2208
03:03:16,120 --> 03:03:20,680
And again, Texas is a very big property rights state, and as it is, but when an application

2209
03:03:20,680 --> 03:03:23,600
comes to the city, it doesn't matter if you're mom and pop, or you're the big corporate,

2210
03:03:23,820 --> 03:03:25,260
we have to treat, we treat you the exact same.

2211
03:03:25,880 --> 03:03:30,780
Everyone is equal when they submit an application for the city, and everyone has the same rights

2212
03:03:30,780 --> 03:03:32,460
to develop their property in a different way.

2213
03:03:32,920 --> 03:03:33,220
Thank you.

2214
03:03:34,400 --> 03:03:35,080
Mr. White.

2215
03:03:37,460 --> 03:03:42,280
Did staff have a conversation with the developer about going to RS?

2216
03:03:43,340 --> 03:03:48,260
Where's there any discussion that that could possibly work for them?

2217
03:03:48,260 --> 03:03:51,440
I know one of the people testified that it had financial implications.

2218
03:03:52,160 --> 03:03:53,560
Did y'all have a discussion with them?

2219
03:03:54,120 --> 03:03:59,160
We had discussions more so after the fact of the PNZ meeting where there was that lot of that concern

2220
03:03:59,160 --> 03:04:02,500
and kind of that idea of an RS change that come up.

2221
03:04:04,300 --> 03:04:09,960
And again, there's, I think it's a flexibility issue is really what it comes down to.

2222
03:04:09,960 --> 03:04:14,180
in the minimum, the 10,000 in suspension, so you have to average that out.

2223
03:04:14,300 --> 03:04:17,560
Again, when we talk about four units in acre and eight units per acre, that's a purely

2224
03:04:17,560 --> 03:04:18,700
mathematical calculation.

2225
03:04:19,000 --> 03:04:20,660
It's not what you can achieve.

2226
03:04:21,520 --> 03:04:24,580
There's 43,000 in some change, square feet in an acre.

2227
03:04:24,880 --> 03:04:28,040
If I divide that by the minimum 5,000 square foot lot, that's eight.

2228
03:04:28,460 --> 03:04:31,560
If I divide it by the minimum 10,000 square foot lot, that's four.

2229
03:04:32,200 --> 03:04:33,340
But you won't hit that.

2230
03:04:33,520 --> 03:04:34,360
You won't get that at all.

2231
03:04:34,360 --> 03:04:44,300
So your GPR has is RS base, it's got the overall bill that will be about 2.3 units an acre give or take.

2232
03:04:45,360 --> 03:04:51,860
When you look at Castlegate, Castlegate is a straight zoning just like this could be the GS, they're right around 4.2 to 4.8 depending on the area.

2233
03:04:52,260 --> 03:04:56,700
Because again that number isn't looked in a vacuum, it's the whole development.

2234
03:04:56,920 --> 03:05:02,560
So you have to take out, if you have floodplain, you have Parkland, you have whatever, that counts against you and that calculation.

2235
03:05:02,560 --> 03:05:09,320
So, if I've got 70 acres of floodplaining in open space, that counts against what I can get in a density calculation.

2236
03:05:09,660 --> 03:05:15,760
So, you end up only seeing probably in that nature of four to five, even being capable under G.S.

2237
03:05:15,900 --> 03:05:21,500
And so, when you take that same kind of equation to R.S., you're talking more so, like Mr. Goodwin's development

2238
03:05:21,500 --> 03:05:26,900
where he could do four years to make a two, but he'll tell you, just like any other developer, you can't achieve that.

2239
03:05:27,020 --> 03:05:31,620
There's too much, there's too many other requirements that take away from that, just rows in general almost

2240
03:05:31,620 --> 03:05:35,200
that lowers you down from even for you to be getting three.

2241
03:05:35,460 --> 03:05:37,460
So I think they wouldn't be able to achieve

2242
03:05:37,460 --> 03:05:40,680
that same ultimate lock count under those RS conditions.

2243
03:05:41,180 --> 03:05:43,160
Councilman, just to clarify something

2244
03:05:43,160 --> 03:05:44,700
from a process standpoint.

2245
03:05:45,100 --> 03:05:47,740
So if someone comes to us and Anthony can elaborate

2246
03:05:47,740 --> 03:05:51,520
and says there's a property on your comp plan,

2247
03:05:51,640 --> 03:05:56,320
your future land use, it's shown as GSR or whatever it is.

2248
03:05:57,000 --> 03:05:58,900
And we'd like to zone it that way.

2249
03:05:58,900 --> 03:06:06,560
We don't talk them one way or the other right because it's in compliance with what essentially the council and the community at that point has said

2250
03:06:06,560 --> 03:06:08,560
This is what we want to develop there

2251
03:06:08,560 --> 03:06:14,220
So it would be different if somebody came if they came and said we are looking at a zoning that's more dense

2252
03:06:14,220 --> 03:06:19,160
Then that conversation might be different, but if someone with a property whoever it is comes and says

2253
03:06:19,160 --> 03:06:22,100
I would basically like to rezone this to what the city

2254
03:06:22,800 --> 03:06:26,480
Says it wants them. We don't try to dissuade them or encourage them any other way

2255
03:06:26,480 --> 03:06:56,460
Perfect, that's very helpful. Just to clarify, there's no floodplain in this area. Oh, there's a lot. There's not there's not a female idea there's no female identified floodplain, but there's there is there is creeks right here. And so part of development, we make you go through and and establish what those hundred year floodplains are when we have on on a stylish areas or areas that haven't been studied you have to go do that work for us essentially the developers out there they do that work. And they they

2256
03:06:56,460 --> 03:07:00,900
essentially do the flood studying and anything that's in that zone has to be, has to be sectioned

2257
03:07:00,900 --> 03:07:01,500
off from lots.

2258
03:07:02,080 --> 03:07:02,160
Yeah.

2259
03:07:04,340 --> 03:07:07,240
I think I know the answer to this question, but just please verify it.

2260
03:07:07,360 --> 03:07:14,680
So there's no way we could, because I support the housing need, right?

2261
03:07:14,820 --> 03:07:15,840
We do need the housing.

2262
03:07:16,520 --> 03:07:24,600
There's no way to support this and do a amendment to the motion to make it RS because that would

2263
03:07:24,600 --> 03:07:25,600
change the comp plan.

2264
03:07:25,600 --> 03:07:26,500
We cannot do that.

2265
03:07:26,500 --> 03:07:26,980
Is that correct?

2266
03:07:26,980 --> 03:07:33,080
No, you can. You can do that. So the comp plan allows for GSRS. If they come with an application for

2267
03:07:33,080 --> 03:07:37,660
either one of those two districts by the nature of the comp plan, we have to bring that forward to

2268
03:07:37,660 --> 03:07:42,860
you. That is a valid application to be made, but it can be either GSRS for the comp plan.

2269
03:07:43,060 --> 03:07:48,820
And so if you wanted to make an amendment that was the whole thing as RS, or if you wanted to make

2270
03:07:48,820 --> 03:07:53,920
that parts of the RRS, that's totally within your purview. I would say that also then if you wanted

2271
03:07:53,920 --> 03:07:58,140
to change that district, you might ask the applicant first and they could pull or do whatever,

2272
03:07:58,380 --> 03:08:02,960
because if whatever you decide goes into law, right, so 10 days from now, whatever you say in

2273
03:08:02,960 --> 03:08:06,520
vote for, that would happen. If they don't agree with that and then the application, that would

2274
03:08:06,520 --> 03:08:11,220
probably be an issue. But you can certainly make whatever conditions or changes you would want to make

2275
03:08:11,220 --> 03:08:17,760
to that. But can I just clarify that? That would be a city initiated rezoning that. If this body did it,

2276
03:08:17,840 --> 03:08:23,040
and they didn't ask for it. So if you want to do it as a city, we have to come back. It's a whole

2277
03:08:23,040 --> 03:08:26,440
different process. This is still that the applicants request, but if they were

2278
03:08:26,440 --> 03:08:30,940
amenable to your condition and they want to pull the item, then understand that it's

2279
03:08:30,940 --> 03:08:37,380
amenable. Yeah. That's a very difficult thing to decide at this point. Anyway, we got

2280
03:08:37,380 --> 03:08:43,040
a long time ago. Go ahead. So true. To me, to me, it's still a city initiated

2281
03:08:43,040 --> 03:08:47,280
thing because I don't think we can negotiate something sitting here with a

2282
03:08:47,280 --> 03:08:55,340
But I would be interested to know if the developer, not a long discussion, would the developer

2283
03:08:55,340 --> 03:08:58,800
would be interested in zoning this as RS?

2284
03:09:03,660 --> 03:09:08,280
No, they, I think we asked that before, but if he wants to come forward to make a comment,

2285
03:09:08,620 --> 03:09:11,560
yes, he explained why he didn't do that originally.

2286
03:09:11,560 --> 03:09:12,780
As

2287
03:09:23,020 --> 03:09:31,960
we've discussed before, rezoning this whole property to RS is not going to be feasible to develop the whole property.

2288
03:09:33,640 --> 03:09:41,860
We've proposed some compromises, some limited areas to RS, but from a feasibility standpoint it just doesn't work.

2289
03:09:43,920 --> 03:09:49,620
That being said, I do also Mr. Jerry Wyndham who owns the property and is also an applicant

2290
03:09:49,620 --> 03:09:52,620
on this would like to come up and say a few words as well if you all would allow him.

2291
03:09:53,120 --> 03:09:56,720
I would certainly allow him to say a few words if you'd like, because I have a question

2292
03:09:56,720 --> 03:09:57,420
or two for him.

2293
03:10:16,750 --> 03:10:17,830
Welcome, Mr. Wyndham.

2294
03:10:19,310 --> 03:10:19,630
Thank you.

2295
03:10:20,530 --> 03:10:21,870
I kind of feel like an enemy.

2296
03:10:24,830 --> 03:10:27,470
Well, we're all up here together, it's all I can say.

2297
03:10:31,630 --> 03:10:32,230
Well,

2298
03:10:36,620 --> 03:10:46,580
this all began whenever me and my wife have almost reached the age of 85.

2299
03:10:48,040 --> 03:10:57,840
And we were looking for to do some land planning, eat at a state planning, and disperse some

2300
03:10:57,840 --> 03:11:03,320
of their property and to

2301
03:11:05,970 --> 03:11:11,750
move on. We had no plans to do anything with our own place

2302
03:11:11,750 --> 03:11:17,770
on Errington Road. We still would have 300 or so acres there.

2303
03:11:19,950 --> 03:11:20,710
I

2304
03:11:24,010 --> 03:11:25,870
think the fact

2305
03:11:29,360 --> 03:11:30,100
that

2306
03:11:33,940 --> 03:11:51,300
I've never opposed or complained about anything the city or other developers have done and understand that things change as community grows.

2307
03:11:52,840 --> 03:12:00,900
The city designated my land for residential development under the future land use plan.

2308
03:12:00,900 --> 03:12:01,660
The

2309
03:12:06,620 --> 03:12:14,020
city designated the future thoroughfares go through my property with

2310
03:12:16,870 --> 03:12:20,730
the thoroughfare plan.

2311
03:12:22,920 --> 03:12:27,780
The city approved all adjacent developments that have been submitted.

2312
03:12:31,900 --> 03:12:39,640
Approving those, the city has shown through their actions that this is not rural land anymore.

2313
03:12:42,910 --> 03:12:44,010
My question is this.

2314
03:12:44,010 --> 03:12:53,300
If this is a part of the city plan for this to be residential, and the city has approved

2315
03:12:53,900 --> 03:13:01,080
developments all around in accordance with the plan, then why would they deny the longest

2316
03:13:01,080 --> 03:13:03,540
living property owner in the area,

2317
03:13:07,030 --> 03:13:08,030
the same approvals?

2318
03:13:12,590 --> 03:13:19,390
As I said before, I've never opposed anything on nearby developments, and have seen changes

2319
03:13:19,390 --> 03:13:20,910
over the years,

2320
03:13:22,960 --> 03:13:32,120
but it has has no negative change to mouth quality of life, but the

2321
03:13:32,120 --> 03:13:38,700
increase in neighborhoods and traffic along with the increased number of wild

2322
03:13:38,700 --> 03:13:40,960
hogs on my place makes

2323
03:13:43,360 --> 03:13:48,760
it difficult to operate a horse ranch and cattle

2324
03:13:48,760 --> 03:13:51,360
range on what used to be real property.

2325
03:13:54,960 --> 03:13:59,300
I guess I could turn it into a hog lot or feed

2326
03:13:59,300 --> 03:14:07,160
a lot or cattle feed lot which I don't think the neighbors would like either but

2327
03:14:09,430 --> 03:14:10,410
I would

2328
03:14:10,410 --> 03:14:19,910
just urge you to somehow allow us the same considerations that you have allowed to others.

2329
03:14:19,910 --> 03:14:20,950
the

2330
03:14:23,090 --> 03:14:24,930
developer has

2331
03:14:29,220 --> 03:14:35,660
listened to a lot tonight, a lot of criticism. I don't know if any of

2332
03:14:35,660 --> 03:14:46,520
that's true. Some of it probably is, but I think the people that you're not hearing

2333
03:14:46,520 --> 03:14:58,100
from all the people who can't afford, cannot afford to be in the type of development.

2334
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:01,220
Those of these people are in.

2335
03:15:03,890 --> 03:15:08,960
I think that they are

2336
03:15:10,980 --> 03:15:18,740
the largest group. There's a bunch here. I think they are the largest group that you're not hearing from.

2337
03:15:34,130 --> 03:15:44,510
I appreciate everything you do. I have not been real active in attending

2338
03:15:47,740 --> 03:15:52,640
these meetings mainly because of my age.

2339
03:15:52,640 --> 03:16:04,840
I was one of the ones that would like and several other developments in the age of

2340
03:16:04,840 --> 03:16:18,520
college station and in the Brown City of Eamons and Brown College, the outside of

2341
03:16:30,710 --> 03:16:30,990
the

2342
03:16:30,990 --> 03:16:44,910
comfortable in their own homes and are not concerned with people outside of

2343
03:16:44,910 --> 03:16:52,710
that area. It would be like me I'm comfortable with my house in the middle of

2344
03:16:52,710 --> 03:17:03,280
300 acres but I'm not going to demand that everybody, nobody else can come

2345
03:17:03,280 --> 03:17:09,760
into that area, and that I want everybody to live in a middle of the 300 acres.

2346
03:17:17,010 --> 03:17:19,030
Anyway, that's about all I have to say.

2347
03:17:19,710 --> 03:17:28,100
I know that it's not a popular thing, and maybe I will make it a feedlot.

2348
03:17:28,600 --> 03:17:29,260
I don't know.

2349
03:17:31,390 --> 03:17:32,050
Thank you, sir.

2350
03:17:32,550 --> 03:17:35,890
I do have a question that only you can answer, but you don't have to.

2351
03:17:36,570 --> 03:17:45,230
it's puzzled me that you have reserved an area in the north section of this. Is there

2352
03:17:45,230 --> 03:17:49,910
some plan in mind for that or do you just, is there something already there that you want

2353
03:17:49,910 --> 03:17:59,290
to protect? No, there's nothing there to protect. I just thought that with this development it

2354
03:17:59,290 --> 03:18:06,770
It would be something that I could keep, maybe it would be valuable at a later date for

2355
03:18:06,770 --> 03:18:16,150
some other, you know, commercial or something, and it would be no worse than the same as

2356
03:18:16,150 --> 03:18:19,670
the rest of it, if that didn't work out.

2357
03:18:20,030 --> 03:18:22,490
I didn't have any particular plans for it.

2358
03:18:22,510 --> 03:18:22,910
I see.

2359
03:18:23,150 --> 03:18:23,790
I understand.

2360
03:18:23,790 --> 03:18:34,830
just available and I could do it and thank you appreciate it. Thank you very much. I have a

2361
03:18:34,830 --> 03:18:41,970
question from you. No, I guess there's no questions here. We're going to have to debate the discussion

2362
03:18:41,970 --> 03:18:47,410
and debate the issue and see how we can move it forward. Thank you very much for being here and

2363
03:18:47,410 --> 03:18:48,750
I appreciate your statement.

2364
03:18:51,380 --> 03:18:51,560
Okay.

2365
03:18:53,480 --> 03:18:54,960
Another question for staff?

2366
03:18:55,420 --> 03:18:56,440
One more question for staff.

2367
03:18:57,180 --> 03:18:58,800
It's for staff and Robin.

2368
03:18:59,640 --> 03:19:01,640
Robin, can you walk me through?

2369
03:19:02,400 --> 03:19:07,320
I know that we went through this planning effort to over the last ten,

2370
03:19:07,400 --> 03:19:14,520
fifteen years that involved us consolidating a bunch of the old residential zoning districts.

2371
03:19:14,520 --> 03:19:21,400
Can you tell me the history of this particular track as it relates to the future land use plan?

2372
03:19:22,600 --> 03:19:30,440
Sure, so I was mentioned previously in the 2014 Commerce of Plan Evaluation and Appraisal Report.

2373
03:19:31,120 --> 03:19:37,080
It was recommended to evaluate the appropriateness of the existing future land use and character designations

2374
03:19:37,080 --> 03:19:43,200
and recommend any necessary amendments and evaluate the location and amount of estate designated land

2375
03:19:43,200 --> 03:19:47,820
on the city's future land use and care to map with the intent of identifying areas that may

2376
03:19:47,820 --> 03:19:54,700
support a higher density single family housing. So as of 2014, a state was what, is that like

2377
03:19:54,700 --> 03:19:58,180
as an acre, right, an acre minimum? Correct. Okay.

2378
03:20:01,100 --> 03:20:05,260
And so at that time, it was changed to the

2379
03:20:06,640 --> 03:20:13,840
restricted suburban. And then in the 2020 comments of plan update, the future land use map was updated

2380
03:20:13,840 --> 03:20:18,220
to rename the categories and refine the definitions of the categories.

2381
03:20:18,720 --> 03:20:25,280
Like Anthony mentioned earlier, previously our comprehensive plan and our zoning districts

2382
03:20:25,280 --> 03:20:32,700
kind of matched kind of one-for-one so you would have a restricted suburban, future land

2383
03:20:32,700 --> 03:20:40,200
use designation and a restricted suburban zoning designation which isn't an ideal and future

2384
03:20:40,200 --> 03:20:40,960
land use plan.

2385
03:20:40,960 --> 03:20:50,480
So in 2020 we consolidated some, we renamed them to be what now you see as suburban

2386
03:20:50,480 --> 03:20:56,940
residential, and in that suburban residential land use there are two zoning districts

2387
03:20:56,940 --> 03:21:00,140
that are appropriate, general suburban and restricted suburban.

2388
03:21:01,680 --> 03:21:07,600
So the reason these changes were made in 2020 was to simplify the map and move away from

2389
03:21:07,600 --> 03:21:14,460
using the zoning district names, but rather describe types of places and not specific uses or development densities.

2390
03:21:15,340 --> 03:21:20,640
So instead of having restricted suburban and general suburban land uses, you now have a suburban residential.

2391
03:21:21,820 --> 03:21:36,430
So one other planning question, is it typical to see higher density developments closer to the middle of town or at the very edge of town?

2392
03:21:37,680 --> 03:21:48,360
Higher density as in town homes and multi-family, you would see in the urban designation.

2393
03:21:49,820 --> 03:21:56,380
So then as you get further out, you would see larger lots, such as estates, lots.

2394
03:21:57,340 --> 03:21:57,480
Okay.

2395
03:21:57,720 --> 03:22:04,480
And last question I have related to this, what process, I know that there's a big, first

2396
03:22:04,480 --> 03:22:05,920
First of all, this is all very complex.

2397
03:22:06,280 --> 03:22:12,020
And I know that people that have been doing this for a very long time, it's still a lot

2398
03:22:12,020 --> 03:22:12,720
to understand.

2399
03:22:12,920 --> 03:22:17,760
You've got the comprehensive plan, the future land use plan, and it kind of all trickles

2400
03:22:17,760 --> 03:22:18,360
down from there.

2401
03:22:19,120 --> 03:22:24,500
When we updated the future land use plan, what was the process we went through?

2402
03:22:24,660 --> 03:22:32,400
Because we took the future land use from an acre lot to up to eight houses per acre.

2403
03:22:32,400 --> 03:22:36,460
or what was the process that we went through

2404
03:22:36,460 --> 03:22:38,660
where the neighborhood's notified,

2405
03:22:39,080 --> 03:22:44,600
or is that something that is done similar

2406
03:22:44,600 --> 03:22:45,760
to a rezoning change,

2407
03:22:45,900 --> 03:22:48,280
or is it something that we as just counsel and staff

2408
03:22:48,280 --> 03:22:52,400
can make that change, and then it rolls out.

2409
03:22:52,920 --> 03:22:55,820
So when we are going through changes

2410
03:22:55,820 --> 03:22:58,640
like a major conference of plan update,

2411
03:22:59,260 --> 03:23:02,280
we don't necessarily notify every single property

2412
03:23:02,280 --> 03:23:09,960
on our but it is a larger discussion so we for example we have online surveys that people can

2413
03:23:09,960 --> 03:23:18,100
take we have multiple public engagement meetings and we also meet with them on a 101 basis if they

2414
03:23:18,100 --> 03:23:18,460
would like.

2415
03:23:20,960 --> 03:23:28,000
Okay so if there was a major shift in 2021 as to what that future land use could be

2416
03:23:28,000 --> 03:23:31,280
versus what it had been prior to, is that correct?

2417
03:23:33,240 --> 03:23:41,560
In 2020, we, sorry, in the 2020 conference of the plan update, we changed the land use

2418
03:23:41,560 --> 03:23:50,600
designations, we renamed them, so then on this property it was renamed to suburban residential,

2419
03:23:50,860 --> 03:23:54,540
which would allow for general suburban or restricted suburban.

2420
03:23:54,540 --> 03:23:58,500
I think 2020 was the year that we were all stuck at home too, so.

2421
03:24:00,340 --> 03:24:06,360
So from a history standpoint, when we first started as a state residential council directed staff to go out, find areas, change it.

2422
03:24:06,620 --> 03:24:12,980
We went out that time. We did send out. There was a lot of notification. I mean, we had people that came and spoke it.

2423
03:24:13,560 --> 03:24:20,700
Council meetings, these we have records of all that. At the time, comprehensive plan of them is weren't mailed for it back back in that time period.

2424
03:24:20,700 --> 03:24:26,800
Since then we did the update in 2021, if your property got a change, we did send a mailing to that property.

2425
03:24:26,980 --> 03:24:32,480
So I think a lady mentioned earlier who was in the ETJ that she got a letter that we changed their zoning.

2426
03:24:32,580 --> 03:24:35,100
We actually didn't change their zoning to your complex process.

2427
03:24:35,340 --> 03:24:40,260
We changed the comp plan, and so the comp plan for the ETJ properties also changed with that update.

2428
03:24:40,580 --> 03:24:45,500
So anyone including ETJ residents got a letter that's saying, hey, we're looking to amend this thing.

2429
03:24:45,500 --> 03:24:58,360
And that was part of, those were targeted outreaches to property owners, but the overall process is just a large engagement of the city does, media outlets, news, etc., stateholders, all that kind of stuff throughout that process.

2430
03:24:58,500 --> 03:25:05,160
But certainly, I mean, especially with the last time, people who moved in the GPR for instance, moved in after we did that process.

2431
03:25:05,820 --> 03:25:09,560
So from just a timely and a standpoint of how things develop, they probably missed that.

2432
03:25:10,360 --> 03:25:11,020
Thank you.

2433
03:25:11,940 --> 03:25:14,320
Okay, are there any other questions for staff?

2434
03:25:14,860 --> 03:25:18,980
The next thing will be the council have a debate and we'll decide what we're going to do.

2435
03:25:19,720 --> 03:25:22,180
But I've been sitting here for three hours or more.

2436
03:25:22,940 --> 03:25:26,200
I need five minute break and I'm calling a five minute break.

2437
03:25:26,300 --> 03:25:27,380
I apologize to the audience.

2438
03:25:27,560 --> 03:25:32,120
I know you all want to hear the discussion, but I think we need to have a break to move around a bit.

2439
03:25:32,520 --> 03:25:32,920
Thank you.

2440
03:25:33,200 --> 03:25:34,060
We'll be back in five minutes.

2441
03:25:41,420 --> 03:25:43,860
Thank you all for your patience.

2442
03:25:43,860 --> 03:25:52,020
I will remind the council and others that there are a number of people in the audience waiting for five more public hearing.

2443
03:25:52,400 --> 03:26:01,320
So this is only the first of several, so we've got other folks that would like to have their items considered today.

2444
03:26:02,540 --> 03:26:06,260
So I will, however, we have an important item on the agenda.

2445
03:26:06,260 --> 03:26:13,980
We've heard the applicant, we've heard the citizens, we've heard the landowner.

2446
03:26:14,320 --> 03:26:18,200
I think we're prepared to have a discussion, anyone want a discussion?

2447
03:26:18,380 --> 03:26:23,140
Do you want to, I'll recognize you, Mr.

2448
03:26:23,400 --> 03:26:27,420
Yeah, I'd like to make a motion to set the floor up for discussion, I suppose?

2449
03:26:28,260 --> 03:26:30,540
Whatever, if you can find a second, that's okay.

2450
03:26:30,680 --> 03:26:36,220
Yeah, so I would like to make a motion to approve the rezoning with

2451
03:26:36,220 --> 03:26:42,860
the step down rural. Can you bring that up so I get it correctly and Anthony can walk me through it?

2452
03:26:42,880 --> 03:26:49,240
That's one of the two options. Yep. And one of them included the restricted suburban.

2453
03:26:49,240 --> 03:26:54,500
The restricted suburban in certain areas. Yep. I'd like to make a motion to approve the rezoning with.

2454
03:26:55,540 --> 03:27:01,420
How should I word the same thing with the restricted suburban stipulation that abuts the adjacent

2455
03:27:01,420 --> 03:27:05,560
and neighborhoods as shown on this map.

2456
03:27:05,920 --> 03:27:07,080
Nailed it.

2457
03:27:07,500 --> 03:27:08,100
Awesome.

2458
03:27:12,840 --> 03:27:15,020
Okay, I have a motion by Mr. Right.

2459
03:27:15,220 --> 03:27:16,740
And a second by Mr. Smith.

2460
03:27:17,200 --> 03:27:18,740
You wish to speak to your motion?

2461
03:27:19,660 --> 03:27:20,480
Yeah, sure.

2462
03:27:20,620 --> 03:27:26,820
Outside of a couple, I think early on developments that were in the ETJ when some other stuff,

2463
03:27:27,300 --> 03:27:31,220
I will not likely ever vote against more housing.

2464
03:27:31,220 --> 03:27:36,480
I mean, the amount of people that say that's the number one issue in this city, it's hard

2465
03:27:36,480 --> 03:27:43,120
to look at more housing and say no to it, especially when it fits within, I think what's

2466
03:27:43,120 --> 03:27:43,640
appropriate.

2467
03:27:43,900 --> 03:27:50,180
I understand, I do understand where you're coming from, stuck between two neighborhoods,

2468
03:27:50,540 --> 03:27:54,600
one rural, one that is sort of larger lot sizes.

2469
03:27:55,060 --> 03:28:00,920
I think the accommodations that they're making are more than I would even request them.

2470
03:28:00,920 --> 03:28:03,800
So, but I think it's nice. I think they're making those

2471
03:28:03,800 --> 03:28:06,880
accommodations. I think we'll lock them in on that. And as the City Council

2472
03:28:06,880 --> 03:28:10,940
body, I don't believe that what's legally we can't say anything else other

2473
03:28:10,940 --> 03:28:16,460
than this is what it should be zoned as. I feel like all the emails I got and

2474
03:28:16,460 --> 03:28:20,440
were sent and read. I feel like I tried to ask those questions that were really

2475
03:28:20,440 --> 03:28:24,320
prominent and present in those. And I think that it's been addressed to me.

2476
03:28:24,320 --> 03:28:27,540
This is another neighborhood and more houses that we desperately need.

2477
03:28:27,540 --> 03:28:31,960
and I feel good about that, so that is where I am.

2478
03:28:32,860 --> 03:28:34,720
Mr. Smith, do you want to speak to your second?

2479
03:28:35,420 --> 03:28:36,460
Yes, appreciate it, Mayor.

2480
03:28:40,280 --> 03:28:42,080
When you look at this map,

2481
03:28:44,200 --> 03:28:49,360
if you did the rezoning with the density that's allowed in reality,

2482
03:28:50,660 --> 03:28:55,700
when you take out the roads, the drainage, the parks,

2483
03:28:57,380 --> 03:29:07,620
You're never going to get that unit to pray, I mean, that just never works out that way, so that's not the density that will be there.

2484
03:29:08,320 --> 03:29:25,100
And I believe that this compromise or this proposal was appreciate the developer meeting with the adjacent communities and coming up with something that mitigates the concern.

2485
03:29:25,900 --> 03:29:35,000
and I think that's what this does. What it also does is it basically tailors this

2486
03:29:35,000 --> 03:29:41,300
rezoning to this development. They're not likely to just flip this land to

2487
03:29:41,300 --> 03:29:46,840
someone else and have it become, you know, a whole nother development because

2488
03:29:46,840 --> 03:29:54,420
this is sort of a strategic rezoning that follows the pattern of the

2489
03:29:54,420 --> 03:29:59,380
proposed development they've got, and so I think that, and again

2490
03:30:00,020 --> 03:30:27,600
We need the housing inventory. We need the diversity of housing types. In my neighborhood, we have everything from small zero-lot-line developments to large lots and everything in between. And it's very walkable and very pleasant, and it's a great neighborhood. And I think this one can be two, and it can be a great neighborhood among some existing great neighborhoods.

2491
03:30:27,600 --> 03:30:28,460
Okay,

2492
03:30:30,620 --> 03:30:35,760
thank you. Any other comments before we consider the vote? Yes, sir, much white.

2493
03:30:38,080 --> 03:30:46,060
So I agree with my colleagues. I think housing is a major need in the city.

2494
03:30:48,660 --> 03:30:59,240
However, I think

2495
03:30:59,240 --> 03:31:08,740
and taking that in consideration. When we talk about zoning, all we have are numbers.

2496
03:31:09,740 --> 03:31:16,300
My understanding that I learned tonight is that whatever drawing that we're looking at right now,

2497
03:31:16,460 --> 03:31:20,680
there's absolutely no guarantee that that's what that area will look like.

2498
03:31:20,680 --> 03:31:25,760
Well, no, wait a minute, the motion is adopting that map.

2499
03:31:27,420 --> 03:31:29,520
I think there is not the motion.

2500
03:31:29,760 --> 03:31:35,180
My understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, that we cannot...

2501
03:31:37,450 --> 03:31:41,910
That's why I made the motion that way was that you're making a motion to...

2502
03:31:41,910 --> 03:31:43,470
Yeah, some of it is restricted suburban.

2503
03:31:43,950 --> 03:31:47,730
You can't adopt this map as it stands in totality.

2504
03:31:48,050 --> 03:31:51,130
You could adopt the concepts of RS at the perimeter.

2505
03:31:51,130 --> 03:32:03,810
So the red, maroon color at the edges there, you can adopt that that is staying, that that that that that has to be at the perimeter of the subdivision, but all the interior of this is not a site plan.

2506
03:32:03,990 --> 03:32:16,330
Correct. All the interior would be up to some of its subject to change. In totality, we talked about the floodplain, the parks, like the councilman Smith said, all that drainage area is going to stay more or less the same.

2507
03:32:16,330 --> 03:32:19,450
but how all these things in the middle are laid out that could shift around.

2508
03:32:20,990 --> 03:32:26,450
So, to do the numbers based off, you know, square footage and homes and stuff, we don't

2509
03:32:26,450 --> 03:32:36,290
know out of the 237 acres what that RS, that maroon area, what area that would be calculated

2510
03:32:36,290 --> 03:32:38,490
as that 237, right?

2511
03:32:38,670 --> 03:32:39,330
So we don't know.

2512
03:32:40,070 --> 03:32:41,990
I mean, we're just looking at a picture.

2513
03:32:41,990 --> 03:33:11,970
I can't tell you for certain what it is right now, but I can, it would be essentially a block in along the perimeters and we would, we'd go back out, if that's what was approved tonight, we'd get a survey from the applicant that shows a diff that has that marked out per this exhibit and we would get that in that part of the ordinance, but it would, the, the RS showing on here would be the same, but ignore all the roads and all that that would be, I guess, I guess where I'm coming from is, I, I guess I'm confused when I, when they say they couldn't,

2514
03:33:11,970 --> 03:33:18,610
do the whole area RS, but they can come up with this area of RS.

2515
03:33:19,410 --> 03:33:24,310
I'm really, as I mentioned, I believe my colleagues are right on.

2516
03:33:24,670 --> 03:33:25,910
We need housing.

2517
03:33:26,290 --> 03:33:29,190
We need affordable, attainable housing.

2518
03:33:32,090 --> 03:33:37,730
I would, based off the motion, I would not be in support of the motion, but I would be in

2519
03:33:37,730 --> 03:33:41,590
support of making this whole area R.S.

2520
03:33:42,210 --> 03:33:44,070
We will understand you just vote against the motion.

2521
03:33:44,810 --> 03:33:45,270
Very good.

2522
03:33:46,490 --> 03:33:47,590
Any further comments?

2523
03:33:47,750 --> 03:33:48,730
Anybody else have a comment?

2524
03:33:48,870 --> 03:33:52,610
I wish to make Ms. McLeanie and then we'll, I think that Mr.

2525
03:33:54,710 --> 03:33:55,190
Nancy.

2526
03:33:56,050 --> 03:33:57,910
So I think this does go to neighborhood integrity.

2527
03:33:58,050 --> 03:34:02,790
I had very much pro-had density where it's appropriate.

2528
03:34:03,110 --> 03:34:07,210
The city has set up areas closer into town to encourage that density.

2529
03:34:10,410 --> 03:34:13,690
This is a case of which of these is not like the other.

2530
03:34:14,610 --> 03:34:22,810
We are called and tasked to look at the suitability of a project as it relates or the zoning as

2531
03:34:22,810 --> 03:34:25,750
it relates to its surroundings.

2532
03:34:29,110 --> 03:34:36,430
I am also just commenting on the motion as it stands with the RS on the parameters.

2533
03:34:36,430 --> 03:34:41,770
There were a lot of different things that were brought up as, I will say, concessions,

2534
03:34:41,990 --> 03:34:43,210
the masonry, all of that.

2535
03:34:43,370 --> 03:34:46,770
That is not something that we can hold anyone accountable to.

2536
03:34:46,930 --> 03:34:52,390
That is not part of the zoning, the zoning.

2537
03:34:52,550 --> 03:34:53,830
That is all that's happening tonight.

2538
03:34:55,770 --> 03:35:02,330
In order to get density, I think we need to do it where it makes sense, which is not on

2539
03:35:02,330 --> 03:35:10,890
the very edge of town in the middle of larger tracks, it needs to be closer in where it

2540
03:35:10,890 --> 03:35:13,750
makes sense where the densities are already occurring.

2541
03:35:15,470 --> 03:35:20,930
Go ahead, the other piece of this too is our Planning and Zoning Commission worked really

2542
03:35:20,930 --> 03:35:30,910
hard and debated the merits of this fully and we had a unanimous denial of this rezoning

2543
03:35:30,910 --> 03:35:35,970
And I know they haven't had the benefit of seeing this particular proposal.

2544
03:35:37,250 --> 03:35:42,190
But I think we need to think long and hard about overturning a unanimous decision by

2545
03:35:42,190 --> 03:35:43,350
our planning and zoning commission.

2546
03:35:43,910 --> 03:35:45,070
I think that's a bad precedent.

2547
03:35:45,790 --> 03:35:46,850
Thank you, Ms. McLean.

2548
03:35:47,450 --> 03:35:48,710
Mr. Nancy.

2549
03:35:49,450 --> 03:35:49,870
Thank you, Mayor.

2550
03:35:50,350 --> 03:35:53,270
I want to thank everybody that showed up today.

2551
03:35:53,450 --> 03:35:57,130
Everybody kept their cool and their temper and check.

2552
03:35:57,590 --> 03:36:00,050
And I know the fear that you feel.

2553
03:36:00,050 --> 03:36:05,970
I went through a very, very similar situation, engaged you guys.

2554
03:36:06,290 --> 03:36:11,970
I see a lot of familiar faces out there, tried to get y'all to work out the same kind of compromise.

2555
03:36:11,990 --> 03:36:17,990
I was blessed to be able to work out in my neighborhood for whatever reason that didn't work.

2556
03:36:18,290 --> 03:36:22,710
But I think it's a fine constitutional republic we have.

2557
03:36:22,790 --> 03:36:29,490
This is a representative position and you guys have advocated on behalf of yourself on both sides.

2558
03:36:30,450 --> 03:36:32,990
No, no boogeymen in this thing at all.

2559
03:36:33,190 --> 03:36:34,830
Mr. Wyndham, you're my hero, sir.

2560
03:36:35,450 --> 03:36:38,430
I live on six acres and I get on my tractor as much as I can.

2561
03:36:38,550 --> 03:36:42,650
I can't imagine the trying to manage that size of attractive land

2562
03:36:42,650 --> 03:36:44,350
over the lifetime that you have.

2563
03:36:46,750 --> 03:36:49,570
I think this needs to be the right fit.

2564
03:36:51,830 --> 03:36:53,950
I'm going to be a no tonight.

2565
03:36:55,010 --> 03:37:07,630
I'm not a no to more housing, I'm not a no to higher density housing, I'm a no to this zoning request.

2566
03:37:08,230 --> 03:37:18,150
I think the way to make this puzzle piece fit is with a PDD where you guys come together and you talk it out.

2567
03:37:18,150 --> 03:37:23,470
And maybe you can come to an accord, maybe you can't.

2568
03:37:24,030 --> 03:37:28,310
And like my esteemed colleague, it's a representative position.

2569
03:37:28,770 --> 03:37:33,030
I have to trust the committees that are, that we appoint.

2570
03:37:33,550 --> 03:37:40,870
I just don't know how we can go against a unanimous decision by the planning and zoning commission.

2571
03:37:41,530 --> 03:37:44,530
So guys, please bring it back as a PDD.

2572
03:37:46,110 --> 03:37:48,870
And see if you can work something out with the landowner.

2573
03:37:50,530 --> 03:37:59,110
I think under a PDD you guys could ensure that there would be, it would be a deed restricted community and you wouldn't, it couldn't go to rental.

2574
03:37:59,690 --> 03:38:08,130
And if you guys can't agree to that, well, then that kind of tells us something that we needed to know.

2575
03:38:08,130 --> 03:38:17,270
We're looking for entry-level housing if families can buy and accumulate generational wealth for themselves, not more rental housing.

2576
03:38:17,710 --> 03:38:24,130
So, thank you for your presentation and thank everybody for their level-headed approach and your quality feedback.

2577
03:38:25,210 --> 03:38:26,130
Mr. Schaefer.

2578
03:38:26,470 --> 03:38:26,770
Thanks, Mayor.

2579
03:38:28,090 --> 03:38:30,090
Yeah, I appreciate the way you put that, Bob.

2580
03:38:31,230 --> 03:38:33,070
I appreciate the folks who are out here.

2581
03:38:33,230 --> 03:38:37,890
We've seen a lot of this this year, some of you know that the folks have been very engaged and that's a good thing.

2582
03:38:37,890 --> 03:38:41,190
and I think both sides have stated case as well.

2583
03:38:42,070 --> 03:38:45,490
I'm gonna fall back on the same idea that the P and Z

2584
03:38:45,490 --> 03:38:47,630
thought about it carefully, I went back and watched their

2585
03:38:49,430 --> 03:38:52,110
meeting thoroughly and tried to understand where they were coming from

2586
03:38:52,110 --> 03:38:52,870
and I think I did.

2587
03:38:53,710 --> 03:38:55,650
And then the other thing I'm gonna fall back on

2588
03:38:55,650 --> 03:38:58,130
is the comprehensive plan.

2589
03:38:58,750 --> 03:39:00,790
And chapter three, and we have it right here in our packet,

2590
03:39:00,790 --> 03:39:03,770
it indicates that new neighborhood should be designed to fit

2591
03:39:03,770 --> 03:39:05,450
with the existing fabric of the community.

2592
03:39:05,450 --> 03:39:09,850
And I realize that can be taken different ways, but in this case, I'm going to say that

2593
03:39:09,850 --> 03:39:14,650
it's the existing fabric of this adjacent community, and it is tough.

2594
03:39:14,750 --> 03:39:15,630
You can tell it's tough.

2595
03:39:15,950 --> 03:39:21,210
We're all up here talking about how we, I would certainly agree, we need housing.

2596
03:39:21,350 --> 03:39:24,790
We need whatever affordable housing or attainable housing is.

2597
03:39:26,130 --> 03:39:32,410
And when you're in a growing community like this, it's a tough deal to try to equate the

2598
03:39:32,410 --> 03:39:39,150
kind of quality that some of you are expecting in larger lots with the need for smaller lots

2599
03:39:39,150 --> 03:39:43,270
and things that are more affordable. And here we are up against it, right here. But I

2600
03:39:43,270 --> 03:39:48,270
think, in this case, I'm going to come down on the side of wanting this to be something

2601
03:39:48,270 --> 03:39:49,810
that's not quite as dense in the evening.

2602
03:39:52,660 --> 03:40:01,380
Okay, so thank you. I think everybody has spoken. As I understand the motion, the motion

2603
03:40:01,380 --> 03:40:09,480
is to approve a rezoning on this property that would have General Suburban

2604
03:40:09,480 --> 03:40:14,700
except for those areas that are indicated that would be classified as

2605
03:40:14,700 --> 03:40:16,620
restricted servant. Is that correct, Mr.

2606
03:40:17,840 --> 03:40:19,360
I'm sorry, is that what you heard?

2607
03:40:22,670 --> 03:40:25,270
Maybe I should ask, is that the motion, right?

2608
03:40:33,890 --> 03:40:35,970
those opposed to raise your hand and say aye.

2609
03:40:36,670 --> 03:40:38,910
So the motion fails five to two.

2610
03:40:39,650 --> 03:40:41,570
Mr. Attorney, where does that leave us?

2611
03:40:42,090 --> 03:40:43,330
We have a failed motion.

2612
03:40:43,810 --> 03:40:45,510
We could have other motions.

2613
03:40:46,030 --> 03:40:47,410
Or do you need another one?

2614
03:40:47,990 --> 03:40:49,630
No, motion fails.

2615
03:40:50,150 --> 03:40:52,770
This motion fails in what is conditioned

2616
03:40:52,770 --> 03:40:54,270
upon these specific items.

2617
03:40:55,350 --> 03:40:55,550
Right.

2618
03:40:55,950 --> 03:40:56,170
OK.

2619
03:40:56,630 --> 03:40:57,730
So that we're done.

2620
03:40:58,310 --> 03:40:58,830
Yes.

2621
03:40:59,390 --> 03:40:59,630
All right.

2622
03:41:00,390 --> 03:41:00,910
That's it.

2623
03:41:00,910 --> 03:41:02,330
But as

2624
03:41:06,880 --> 03:41:10,680
I said, we have five other public hearings tonight.

2625
03:41:10,960 --> 03:41:15,560
So those that are only interested in 8.1 are welcome to leave.

2626
03:41:15,840 --> 03:41:19,940
But we're going to 8.2 and we've still got some other item besides public hearing.

2627
03:41:28,400 --> 03:41:29,500
Well, they're leaving.

2628
03:41:29,640 --> 03:41:35,740
I'm going to read out loud the item 8.2, which is a public hearing presentation,

2629
03:41:35,740 --> 03:41:43,100
Foundation possible action regarding an ordinance amending appendix a UDO article for zoning district section 4.2

2630
03:41:43,100 --> 03:41:46,540
Official zoning map of the Coto ordinances of city, college station

2631
03:41:47,420 --> 03:41:54,680
Texas by changing the zoning district boundaries from GS General suburban to mh middle housing on approximately

2632
03:41:54,680 --> 03:42:02,140
0.5 acres generally located at 1612 park place a and B. Mr. Sieger. Thank you mayor

2633
03:42:02,140 --> 03:42:06,680
Good evening, Councilmembers, Gary C. Grave, staff planer, planning and development services.

2634
03:42:07,400 --> 03:42:16,060
This evening's request is to rezone the two quarter acre lots located at 1612 A and B part place,

2635
03:42:16,440 --> 03:42:19,260
and they are currently developed as single-family homes.

2636
03:42:20,580 --> 03:42:28,680
These properties comprehensive future land use designation is mixed residential, which allows for a mix of moderate density residential development.

2637
03:42:28,680 --> 03:42:32,380
that is appropriate for residential infill and redevelopment that allows

2638
03:42:32,380 --> 03:42:34,000
original character to evolve.

2639
03:42:34,840 --> 03:42:39,800
The request tonight is to re-zone these properties from General Suburban to

2640
03:42:39,800 --> 03:42:44,360
MH Middle Housing, permitted uses for middle housing are duplex single-family and

2641
03:42:44,360 --> 03:42:49,160
townhouse. After discussion and review staff has determined that this request met

2642
03:42:49,160 --> 03:42:55,300
the outlined rezoning criteria in the UDO. This was heard at the October 16th PNZ

2643
03:42:55,300 --> 03:43:05,340
commission, or the commission unanimously approved, or recommended approval 60-0, and I and the applicant are available for any questions.

2644
03:43:05,700 --> 03:43:07,800
One quick question.

2645
03:43:08,100 --> 03:43:08,320
Yes, sir.

2646
03:43:08,460 --> 03:43:16,520
And what is the advantage of changing this to middle housing from General Suburban to to put it in middle housing?

2647
03:43:16,820 --> 03:43:20,800
Just, just, from a planning standpoint, it follows the comprehensive plan.

2648
03:43:20,800 --> 03:43:24,620
I was kind of principled and but it allows the owner to do

2649
03:43:25,240 --> 03:43:30,300
Well, different development types, yes sir. Okay. So we can put different kinds of

2650
03:43:30,980 --> 03:43:37,820
Housing although it's only two lots. Yes, sir. They can do the duplex a single keep it a single family which it is or townhouse

2651
03:43:37,820 --> 03:43:44,320
And they could apply for shared housing category shared housing is not currently defined and is not enforceable

2652
03:43:45,000 --> 03:43:48,680
That is something we are working on. Okay. Okay, very good

2653
03:43:48,680 --> 03:43:54,060
So I heard a presentation. You got any questions? I got a question from Mr. Schafer. So

2654
03:43:54,600 --> 03:43:59,860
Here at Helmöider if they if this changes to middle housing and obviously it probably won't redevelop right away

2655
03:43:59,860 --> 03:44:05,000
But if it does will it be your sidewalk requirement? I

2656
03:44:05,000 --> 03:44:12,020
Believe on the on the on those lots. I realize it can't be on the pedestrian plan. I believe there was

2657
03:44:12,560 --> 03:44:15,500
proposed pathway on the other side of the street

2658
03:44:17,060 --> 03:44:19,980
But I believe there was also discussion about fee and

2659
03:44:19,980 --> 03:44:22,340
loop for future redevelopment.

2660
03:44:22,780 --> 03:44:26,440
Okay, well I mean one of the things we have in middle housing is I recall is trying to

2661
03:44:26,440 --> 03:44:29,480
make these areas more walkable and one of the things is disappointed me.

2662
03:44:29,580 --> 03:44:33,300
I live in this generally in this neighborhood and come and go in part place all the time,

2663
03:44:33,460 --> 03:44:36,480
be a bike and car and it's horrible for walking.

2664
03:44:36,820 --> 03:44:42,280
It's absolutely terrible and people do walk the HB that way regularly so I know this would

2665
03:44:42,280 --> 03:44:47,260
just be one tiny piece, but it would be nice if we could do, and through a redevelopment

2666
03:44:47,260 --> 03:44:50,520
in here in the future, a better connectivity for walking, yes sir.

2667
03:44:51,600 --> 03:44:56,200
So the answer is no. They don't have to do a sidewalk if this redevelopes.

2668
03:44:56,680 --> 03:44:59,980
Partly no, partly yes. So we actually are doing a study and I think

2669
03:45:01,040 --> 03:45:26,960
We're doing a study right now through this corridor. We just finished it where we had a consultant go out there and figure out how we would add a sidewalk through this connection and what that would look like. And so they came up with three different options. We landed on an option closed out that contract. So there is a sidewalk planned with the nature of that project. It'll need to be a standalone request because it's a very tight right away through here. And so in order to get that in a piecemeal fashion, it just isn't very sufficient.

2670
03:45:26,960 --> 03:45:34,140
So, we're working on bringing a project through the Bike Pet Board, as well as Ultimate Counsel, to get this whole connection finished.

2671
03:45:34,480 --> 03:45:41,300
And that study finished just within the last four months, we had a consultant go out there and survey the entire corridor to get that figured out.

2672
03:45:41,740 --> 03:45:43,040
That's even better, Anthony.

2673
03:45:43,040 --> 03:45:43,380
I tried.

2674
03:45:43,720 --> 03:45:54,020
Yeah, because it's just, and people do walk this with bags of groceries and there are cans in the street, and it's bad news, I'm surprised I know what he's been hit and killed, thank you.

2675
03:45:55,380 --> 03:46:01,480
No other questions? This is a public hearing. I have no one who signed up to speak, but

2676
03:46:01,480 --> 03:46:05,940
I will open the public hearing and see if there is anyone who should speak on this item.

2677
03:46:07,080 --> 03:46:11,420
Seeing no one come forward, I will close the public hearing and turn to the well-to-council.

2678
03:46:13,860 --> 03:46:20,140
Move to approve. Second. Motion made by Mr. Hansi. Seconded by Mr. Schaeffer to approve.

2679
03:46:20,140 --> 03:46:34,880
any further discussion? Seeing none, Chairwoman, ask for the vote. All those in favor of the motion to approve item 8.2, indicate by saying aye and raise your hand.

2680
03:46:35,200 --> 03:46:35,640
Aye.

2681
03:46:36,700 --> 03:46:42,640
Motion carries unanimously. That has been approved. That's 8.2. We move to 8.3.

2682
03:46:44,120 --> 03:46:48,580
Again, public hearing, presentation, discussion, possible action regarding ordinance amending.

2683
03:46:49,180 --> 03:46:54,120
Appending say UDO, Article 4, zoning district section 4.2, official zoning map of the

2684
03:46:54,120 --> 03:46:58,300
Court of Ordinance, City College of Texas, by changing zoning district boundaries from

2685
03:46:58,300 --> 03:47:07,740
our world to PDD plan development district for approximately 3.6 acres at 3768 McCullough

2686
03:47:07,740 --> 03:47:15,440
a road, generally located north east of the intersection of Wellman Road and McCullough Road and I do have a speaker signed up for this.

2687
03:47:16,600 --> 03:47:17,540
Welcome Mr. Hall.

2688
03:47:18,100 --> 03:47:22,360
Thank you. Good evening there and City Council, Jeff Howell with the Planning and Development Services Department.

2689
03:47:23,060 --> 03:47:28,320
Tonight's request is for rezoning for property that is currently vacant in a portion of the church property.

2690
03:47:29,260 --> 03:47:37,600
The future land use designation is currently neighborhood commercial, this commercial designation on the future land use is smaller in comparison to the general

2691
03:47:37,600 --> 03:47:39,860
commercial but a does cater to nearby residents.

2692
03:47:40,380 --> 03:47:45,080
And this was approved earlier this year to change this designation to neighborhood commercial.

2693
03:47:45,680 --> 03:47:50,940
The applicant's request is to change the zoning district from our role to PDD plan development district.

2694
03:47:51,760 --> 03:47:55,760
And this is identified by the applicant as to be an extension of the adjacent development.

2695
03:47:56,200 --> 03:48:02,540
As with a request to plan development district, they did provide a base zoning district which in this case would be well-born commercial.

2696
03:48:02,900 --> 03:48:05,580
And they did also include a concept plan which can be seen here.

2697
03:48:05,580 --> 03:48:11,720
The concept plan does show a commercial development with single-story billings, not larger than 10,000 square feet.

2698
03:48:12,200 --> 03:48:14,940
As part of the concept plan, they did include several modifications.

2699
03:48:15,240 --> 03:48:20,100
They did include modifications to the allowed uses, as well as additional prohibited uses.

2700
03:48:20,340 --> 03:48:26,080
They did also request modifications to not require architectural standards, reduce the roof pitch and

2701
03:48:26,720 --> 03:48:30,740
change the location of parking locations adjacent to residential uses.

2702
03:48:31,340 --> 03:48:46,360
As part of that to offset those modifications, they did provide community benefits with that it would be to provide a landscape buffer of 30 feet on three sides with the double of plantings as well as to limit the building height to single story and to not exceed 25 feet.

2703
03:48:47,060 --> 03:48:51,520
And we did receive one phone call and support in three calls of inquiry.

2704
03:48:51,880 --> 03:48:57,680
This item was heard at the planning and zoning commission meeting on October 16th, where it was unanimously recommended for approval.

2705
03:48:58,020 --> 03:48:59,040
And that concludes my presentation.

2706
03:48:59,040 --> 03:49:04,960
I have one question, a clarification, I have to go back one to the modification request.

2707
03:49:05,820 --> 03:49:14,320
It has been suggested to me that self-storage, which they're asking for, as an additional

2708
03:49:14,320 --> 03:49:25,150
allowed use, is not somehow or another allowed within the well-burned commercial land use.

2709
03:49:25,590 --> 03:49:29,470
I'm not quite sure, but have you been challenged on that before?

2710
03:49:29,470 --> 03:49:33,730
So that question did come up and so it is identified when you look at the table of permitted uses

2711
03:49:33,730 --> 03:49:38,390
It is identified as a permitted use for those uses that were existing prior to 2011

2712
03:49:38,390 --> 03:49:43,150
Which is when the properties would have been annexed as part of the the World War

2713
03:49:44,230 --> 03:49:52,350
Plan and so that's when this property was annexed into the city and so similarly the adjacent planned development district to the to the left of this

2714
03:49:52,350 --> 03:49:59,150
Had that similar modification to allow for that use and so this is a continuation of that and so they are requesting the same thing

2715
03:49:59,470 --> 03:50:02,890
and so it's already been allowed in that previous PDD

2716
03:50:02,890 --> 03:50:04,050
towards the highway.

2717
03:50:04,330 --> 03:50:05,770
That's correct, and that was approved in 2020.

2718
03:50:06,350 --> 03:50:09,270
And so that indicates that it has been approved

2719
03:50:09,270 --> 03:50:12,890
within the 2020 as well after it was annexed,

2720
03:50:12,890 --> 03:50:13,930
so I understand that.

2721
03:50:14,650 --> 03:50:14,810
Correct.

2722
03:50:15,110 --> 03:50:16,950
OK, thank you, it may come up later,

2723
03:50:17,030 --> 03:50:18,110
but I just want to clarify that.

2724
03:50:18,310 --> 03:50:19,430
Any other questions for staff?

2725
03:50:22,110 --> 03:50:22,790
Mr. Schubert?

2726
03:50:22,950 --> 03:50:24,510
I have a safe to assume, I guess, that

2727
03:50:25,250 --> 03:50:28,450
when they want to get away from the non-residential

2728
03:50:28,450 --> 03:50:30,810
architectural standards, I mean, there's not really

2729
03:50:30,810 --> 03:50:36,550
a why here is it safe to assume it's about cost you're making a cheaper building it was identified

2730
03:50:36,550 --> 03:50:40,070
from the applicant I can let the applicant speak to that a little bit more because they are here but

2731
03:50:40,070 --> 03:50:44,430
it was identified they are requesting that modification because it does not front onto one more

2732
03:50:44,430 --> 03:50:50,950
road right that's one reason but I mean there's still a matter of character within the entire community

2733
03:50:50,950 --> 03:50:55,490
and this is still visible to people who'll be at the church is visible in some other ways so

2734
03:50:55,490 --> 03:51:01,850
So it just, I mean, I don't know why you would, you know, you can say that, but there must

2735
03:51:01,850 --> 03:51:03,270
be a reason for not wanting to do it.

2736
03:51:03,650 --> 03:51:06,650
You reduce the pitch, you take it off, it makes cheaper building presumably.

2737
03:51:07,230 --> 03:51:11,590
I mean, that's okay, you don't have to answer that, but that's, to me, that's a concern

2738
03:51:11,590 --> 03:51:18,670
when these kind of things when come in and do, they do things that do affect the aesthetic

2739
03:51:18,670 --> 03:51:22,170
of the community, even though they're not right up against the road, that's not always

2740
03:51:22,170 --> 03:51:24,850
is the first indicator in my opinion, thanks.

2741
03:51:25,610 --> 03:51:28,310
Would you just shift that back to the previous slide

2742
03:51:28,310 --> 03:51:29,130
that you had it there?

2743
03:51:29,590 --> 03:51:32,650
No, not the one that has the, there you go.

2744
03:51:32,790 --> 03:51:33,310
Leave that there.

2745
03:51:34,210 --> 03:51:35,130
Any other questions?

2746
03:51:37,620 --> 03:51:39,620
Seeing none from the council at this point,

2747
03:51:39,860 --> 03:51:40,700
this is a public hearing.

2748
03:51:41,280 --> 03:51:42,300
Thank you very much, Mr. Hall.

2749
03:51:42,420 --> 03:51:43,020
I'll just stand by.

2750
03:51:44,240 --> 03:51:45,700
I'll open the public hearing.

2751
03:51:45,880 --> 03:51:49,560
And I'll call, I think it's Mr. Bob Cohen, who

2752
03:51:49,560 --> 03:51:50,700
has signed up to speak.

2753
03:51:50,700 --> 03:51:56,360
So I will open the public hearing and ask for him to speak and anyone else who wishes

2754
03:51:56,360 --> 03:51:57,540
to welcome

2755
03:52:02,530 --> 03:52:02,950
her.

2756
03:52:03,890 --> 03:52:06,870
Thank you, Mayor and Councilman and ladies.

2757
03:52:07,850 --> 03:52:09,910
My name is Robert Cohen or Bob Cohen.

2758
03:52:10,210 --> 03:52:12,830
I live at 36.55 from a color road.

2759
03:52:12,970 --> 03:52:20,260
I recognize that's real close to the gris and the picture that's on the screen right now

2760
03:52:20,260 --> 03:52:26,700
that yellow line is about a hundred and ninety nine feet long and it's an estimate from

2761
03:52:26,700 --> 03:52:32,260
corner of our property to the corner of this property, and we were not notified that this was

2762
03:52:32,260 --> 03:52:40,500
happening. But maybe we're 205 feet. And so when you get one of the arguments of when you get

2763
03:52:40,500 --> 03:52:47,080
into rural area, 200 feet doesn't quite cover the rule that the state requires. And by the way,

2764
03:52:47,100 --> 03:52:52,600
that's not a maximum. That's a minimum. Thank you. That's number one.

2765
03:52:55,150 --> 03:52:56,430
The pictures you received

2766
03:52:56,430 --> 03:53:01,410
from Jane Cohen. This is one of them. There's a couple of them showing some flooding.

2767
03:53:02,750 --> 03:53:08,550
And one of those is a picture of the right-up-the-drive way from Melbourne Road to the church.

2768
03:53:09,610 --> 03:53:15,370
And the intersection closest to Melbourne Road has got water flowing over it.

2769
03:53:16,350 --> 03:53:25,490
And the reason that is is all land to the lift of that driveway is drained through that one covert down there to end.

2770
03:53:25,490 --> 03:53:30,850
which brings me to the next question. If the property owns the property against

2771
03:53:30,850 --> 03:53:35,590
Robert Road, why didn't they put the storage there? Well, of course, it floods.

2772
03:53:39,570 --> 03:53:41,070
Can you advance that?

2773
03:53:44,600 --> 03:53:47,640
Okay. There was a photo, there was a little plot. Okay, the

2774
03:53:47,640 --> 03:53:53,760
B part that shows on here is the part I'm talking about, everything to the north of

2775
03:53:53,760 --> 03:53:58,000
the driveway entrance, which is the one that's got section

2776
03:53:58,000 --> 03:53:58,920
of it is two-way.

2777
03:53:59,960 --> 03:54:02,780
And from there all the way up to Band Cut-Off Road,

2778
03:54:02,940 --> 03:54:04,540
which is the next road north of that.

2779
03:54:05,200 --> 03:54:08,120
And by the way, in this particular part of the country,

2780
03:54:08,860 --> 03:54:10,840
where the road is, to the north and south.

2781
03:54:13,520 --> 03:54:15,080
A is our residence.

2782
03:54:15,840 --> 03:54:19,340
And the property is just north of the church,

2783
03:54:19,340 --> 03:54:21,600
as you see that said, where we're in Baptist church.

2784
03:54:21,600 --> 03:54:25,040
in a few advance at one more click and

2785
03:54:28,620 --> 03:54:31,900
there's a picture from Webberville to the

2786
03:54:31,900 --> 03:54:39,960
church and my more major concern is light pollution so we're just gonna have

2787
03:54:39,960 --> 03:54:45,660
to have light around it and one of the things that we like the dark sky and we

2788
03:54:45,660 --> 03:54:50,640
got out last night to try to see the Aurora boy Alice and guess what we could see

2789
03:54:50,640 --> 03:54:58,160
Brian in conversation lines real well. Look in north from our house. And at the

2790
03:54:58,160 --> 03:55:05,560
planning and zoning, one of the members of the church testified and he said you

2791
03:55:05,560 --> 03:55:08,660
know there's 60 members of the church who voted to do that and I said well we live

2792
03:55:08,660 --> 03:55:13,620
there and he responded we do too. I said I know everybody lives within 500 free

2793
03:55:13,620 --> 03:55:16,440
to that church, and he ain't running. Thank you.

2794
03:55:18,060 --> 03:55:23,240
Thank you, Mr. Cohen. Is there anyone else wish to speak to the applicant here?

2795
03:55:23,700 --> 03:55:28,500
Maybe wish to speak to. I should have invited you before if you

2796
03:55:28,500 --> 03:55:32,540
wanted to speak, but you weren't on the list. I'm sorry about that. I'll introduce

2797
03:55:32,540 --> 03:55:37,780
yourself and address and we'll. Good evening. My name is Tom Marty.

2798
03:55:37,880 --> 03:55:40,220
I live at 4324 Ledgestone Trail.

2799
03:55:40,740 --> 03:55:46,900
And I do live in that community. I live just about half a mile from that church, and I'm

2800
03:55:46,900 --> 03:55:51,240
proud to say I've been a member of that church for 15 years. And I'm going to tell you

2801
03:55:51,240 --> 03:55:55,860
that Wellburn Road does flood, and we do have a little bit of a flood problem at the end

2802
03:55:55,860 --> 03:56:01,140
of our driveway, but it doesn't keep people coming to and from our church. We get in there

2803
03:56:01,140 --> 03:56:09,340
all the time. So that 3.6 acres of property does belong to the church. The church membership

2804
03:56:09,340 --> 03:56:13,260
over a year ago decided that we've wanted to have this done.

2805
03:56:14,040 --> 03:56:17,720
The contractor came to us and approached us to make this happen.

2806
03:56:18,300 --> 03:56:22,560
He already owns the property that's in front of it that it butts up against Walburn Road.

2807
03:56:22,860 --> 03:56:27,880
This is just an extension of what he's already going to do.

2808
03:56:28,800 --> 03:56:35,320
So I see no reason why the church shouldn't have the right to sell our property and allow

2809
03:56:35,320 --> 03:56:39,560
this contractor to come in and do what he's already going to do.

2810
03:56:40,360 --> 03:56:43,840
So with that, I've taken as much time as I can possibly take.

2811
03:56:44,300 --> 03:56:45,500
I hope you have a pleasant evening.

2812
03:56:45,960 --> 03:56:46,280
Good night.

2813
03:56:46,740 --> 03:56:47,680
Thank you, Sarah.

2814
03:56:47,840 --> 03:56:48,920
Appreciate your being here.

2815
03:56:50,160 --> 03:56:55,280
Staff, another person wants to speak, please.

2816
03:56:55,940 --> 03:56:57,380
Glenn Jones, J4 Engineering.

2817
03:56:57,820 --> 03:57:01,780
I'm the applicants agent for this application as well as the design engineer.

2818
03:57:01,780 --> 03:57:07,480
And I wanted to answer Mr. Schaeffer's question, and if there were any others, I could help answer those as well.

2819
03:57:08,220 --> 03:57:15,140
As far as the architectural requirements for the buildings, they only apply to the first 200 feet of the project in front of it.

2820
03:57:15,320 --> 03:57:20,980
So by putting it into this new PD, it just extends what we're doing in the back half to this new section.

2821
03:57:21,160 --> 03:57:22,600
That's really the only reason.

2822
03:57:23,560 --> 03:57:29,720
Those buildings are all shielded by the ones in front, and the architectural elements just won't be visible.

2823
03:57:32,460 --> 03:57:33,240
Thank you, sir.

2824
03:57:33,900 --> 03:57:35,400
Any other questions I could help?

2825
03:57:35,500 --> 03:57:36,620
No, the questions for the engineer.

2826
03:57:37,680 --> 03:57:38,680
No, I don't think so.

2827
03:57:38,800 --> 03:57:40,980
Oh, I'll ask a question really for staff.

2828
03:57:41,480 --> 03:57:45,980
As I understand it, the text dot has plans to widen Walbert Road,

2829
03:57:45,980 --> 03:57:50,720
so I would imagine that would change and improve the drainage substantially wrong there.

2830
03:57:50,860 --> 03:57:54,000
I had to work with text dot for the driveway in the front portion.

2831
03:57:54,560 --> 03:57:59,400
They are widening and they noted the drainage problem that you saw in the pictures.

2832
03:57:59,400 --> 03:58:02,620
And there's quite a few improvements that's going to help address that.

2833
03:58:02,640 --> 03:58:06,120
The virus is part of it with the detention system that we're putting in.

2834
03:58:06,480 --> 03:58:07,040
Thank you, sir.

2835
03:58:07,360 --> 03:58:16,720
I see Ms. Cohen standing, so I cannot deny her the opportunity to add anything to what Mr. Cohen might have mentioned.

2836
03:58:17,180 --> 03:58:19,760
Mayor and Council, thank you for hearing us.

2837
03:58:20,080 --> 03:58:22,740
Joining Cohen, 3655, McNeill Road.

2838
03:58:23,340 --> 03:58:25,000
I did send you my comments.

2839
03:58:25,320 --> 03:58:26,780
I had a meeting earlier tonight.

2840
03:58:26,780 --> 03:58:29,520
and I heard back from one of you that you received them.

2841
03:58:29,620 --> 03:58:30,140
So thank you.

2842
03:58:30,360 --> 03:58:34,080
I'd like to go to the third slide or the last slide that Bob had.

2843
03:58:34,780 --> 03:58:39,220
And yes, I understand that during each the next one is the next one.

2844
03:58:39,440 --> 03:58:40,760
It's a problem that's Melbourne Road.

2845
03:58:41,260 --> 03:58:44,540
And yes, if Melbourne Road is widened and has mediums down it,

2846
03:58:44,660 --> 03:58:46,100
then that should be taken care of.

2847
03:58:46,200 --> 03:58:47,280
But it's a problem now.

2848
03:58:48,160 --> 03:58:52,100
So let me go back to the comment about could you show the slide

2849
03:58:52,100 --> 03:58:59,220
that shows the proposed development, the city slide that shows the proposed development.

2850
03:58:59,700 --> 03:59:06,540
On the top right it says that it's proposed modification, which is self-storage.

2851
03:59:07,620 --> 03:59:11,680
Self-storage is not in the well-burned plan, it says modification requested.

2852
03:59:13,320 --> 03:59:18,120
Now that was in the materials we got, maybe I don't understand them, but I've asked and I

2853
03:59:18,120 --> 03:59:21,860
I still don't agree that the sales storage is possible.

2854
03:59:23,360 --> 03:59:25,880
The other point, well, sales storage

2855
03:59:27,100 --> 03:59:30,320
may not be as bad as some other options that could happen there.

2856
03:59:30,780 --> 03:59:33,860
Yeah, I realize that we do need some storage.

2857
03:59:34,120 --> 03:59:38,180
But when they say it's protected by other areas,

2858
03:59:38,180 --> 03:59:40,960
go to the slide that shows one of the maps.

2859
03:59:41,960 --> 03:59:43,940
What's in front of it from Wellburn Road?

2860
03:59:44,260 --> 03:59:44,520
Nothing.

2861
03:59:45,060 --> 03:59:47,300
Are they saying that the Wellburn Baptist Church

2862
03:59:47,300 --> 03:59:55,880
she's going to protect vision of that. I just, I hope that the developer does a little bit better

2863
03:59:55,880 --> 03:59:59,920
than what's been presented. The drainage, you see.

2864
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:12,180
There's a little drainage teach up there. But the drainage was this way and you're going to have concrete where all the buildings are going to be. So I'm not sure how drainage is going to really be handled. So, um,

2865
04:00:14,460 --> 04:00:31,280
by mentioning the lighting concern, I mentioned the trees were in, uh, letter, email, I sent you. Planting and zoning really works well with us. I'm getting native trees. Our new director wants native trees. So I think I think this has possibilities.

2866
04:00:32,040 --> 04:00:39,980
and I'm not sure how much restrictions you can add but it's not a well thought out plan now. Thank you.

2867
04:00:40,240 --> 04:00:43,800
Thank you very much, Ms. Cohen. I'll staff to come back.

2868
04:00:46,860 --> 04:00:48,640
Any further questions your staff?

2869
04:00:50,060 --> 04:00:56,920
A couple of quick ones here. Did anybody have another comment? Was the public hearing so open? Is there any other comments?

2870
04:00:57,920 --> 04:01:03,620
Okay, I'll close the public hearing and are there any other questions or stams?

2871
04:01:04,340 --> 04:01:04,920
I'm sorry.

2872
04:01:05,240 --> 04:01:05,900
Do you have a question here?

2873
04:01:05,960 --> 04:01:06,940
I'm just looking the wrong way.

2874
04:01:07,560 --> 04:01:08,280
Thanks, Mayor.

2875
04:01:10,420 --> 04:01:15,100
Jeff, we've had a lot of deliberation on this.

2876
04:01:15,480 --> 04:01:21,320
I thought there was like significant buffering that was added around the building.

2877
04:01:21,800 --> 04:01:22,320
Did I?

2878
04:01:22,680 --> 04:01:22,920
Okay.

2879
04:01:22,920 --> 04:01:31,780
So this slide identifies a landscape buffer that has provided this is an increase as it is identified as a community benefit from what the requirement would be.

2880
04:01:32,000 --> 04:01:38,700
The requirement is a 20-foot landscape buffer with offense as part of the well-born commercial zoning district.

2881
04:01:39,140 --> 04:01:43,100
But the applicant is providing a 30-foot buffer with offense as well as the plantings.

2882
04:01:43,100 --> 04:01:48,380
Great deal. And just bottom line it for me what the mayor was asking about. Are we

2883
04:01:48,380 --> 04:01:55,680
or are we not under a promise in the well-burned district that we wouldn't put

2884
04:01:55,680 --> 04:02:04,500
any allow any self-storage? Yes or no? Well the the the permitting use is in the

2885
04:02:04,500 --> 04:02:07,920
use table does identify it as a permitting use but it does have specific use

2886
04:02:07,920 --> 04:02:14,320
standards that say they are allowed prior to 2011. So they are allowed but then only prior

2887
04:02:14,320 --> 04:02:19,140
to 2011 because that's when the property was annexed. So it is allowed but not technically

2888
04:02:19,140 --> 04:02:24,120
after 2011. And so that's why as part of the modification they are asking for it similar

2889
04:02:24,120 --> 04:02:25,420
to the property to the left.

2890
04:02:27,200 --> 04:02:31,420
That's correct. But they're allowed to add it as modification as they already have done

2891
04:02:31,420 --> 04:02:33,320
in the first part of the PDD, correct?

2892
04:02:33,320 --> 04:02:44,420
Correct. And technically they could add additional uses as part of this. But in these additional uses are identified as allowed uses on the adjacent plan development district as well.

2893
04:02:47,240 --> 04:02:48,700
Okay. Thank you.

2894
04:02:49,120 --> 04:02:57,560
Okay. We have it before us. Public hearing has been closed. No further questions. Sure. We'll entertain a motion regarding this item.

2895
04:02:57,560 --> 04:02:58,600
I'll

2896
04:03:01,510 --> 04:03:05,030
make a motion to approve, is that what you said?

2897
04:03:05,590 --> 04:03:06,150
There's a second.

2898
04:03:07,310 --> 04:03:08,190
I'll second.

2899
04:03:09,130 --> 04:03:10,310
Motion made a second.

2900
04:03:10,450 --> 04:03:11,330
You'll speak to your motion.

2901
04:03:12,550 --> 04:03:13,910
You'll speak to second.

2902
04:03:14,730 --> 04:03:22,790
Okay, so I have a motion to approve this proposed rezoning to APDD.

2903
04:03:24,310 --> 04:03:26,510
Any further questions, comments?

2904
04:03:27,010 --> 04:03:27,550
Don't see any.

2905
04:03:28,190 --> 04:03:29,830
All those in favor of the motion are stated.

2906
04:03:29,830 --> 04:03:32,030
i'm sorry to say aye and raise your hand

2907
04:03:34,950 --> 04:03:37,630
motion carries unanimously i think

2908
04:03:38,830 --> 04:03:41,890
i missed everybody down there but it looked like everybody raised their hand

2909
04:03:41,890 --> 04:03:46,170
that's the problem with the dyes mr. city manager i'm always complaining about it

2910
04:03:46,170 --> 04:03:50,430
i can't see everybody maybe you should do the counting for me now i will leave that

2911
04:03:50,430 --> 04:03:55,230
go okay motion pass unanimously thank you all for being here for making your

2912
04:03:55,230 --> 04:04:01,070
presentations to the co-ins. I think the PDD will answer a lot of the questions you have

2913
04:04:01,070 --> 04:04:07,070
and the drainage will be taken care of. Certainly the lighting I know is all has to be focused

2914
04:04:07,070 --> 04:04:19,310
down. All right. Let me see where am I up to 8.3. No, that was 8.3. Sorry, 4. This one is

2915
04:04:19,310 --> 04:04:22,890
we're 8.4 and 8.5 are tied together, correct?

2916
04:04:23,470 --> 04:04:23,610
Correct.

2917
04:04:24,090 --> 04:04:27,750
Okay, and we have Mr. Harper here to present them.

2918
04:04:27,850 --> 04:04:31,810
So I'm going to read both of the 8.3 and 8.4 and 8.5,

2919
04:04:32,510 --> 04:04:36,470
but we'll have separate votes, but we'll have one presentation,

2920
04:04:36,790 --> 04:04:39,090
one public hearing, and separate votes,

2921
04:04:40,110 --> 04:04:41,610
and no one assigned up to speak.

2922
04:04:41,970 --> 04:04:44,610
Okay, 8.4, public hearing, presentation, discussion,

2923
04:04:44,610 --> 04:04:57,150
action. Approving ordinance vacating and abandoning a 0.082 acre portion of 34 wide landscape

2924
04:04:57,150 --> 04:05:04,330
access and public utility easement located along block 2 block 2 block 4 of the business

2925
04:05:04,330 --> 04:05:09,230
center of college station subdivision phase 2. Where is this county of Texas according

2926
04:05:09,230 --> 04:05:16,390
According to the plan recorded in volume, 3490, page 267 of the official public records of

2927
04:05:16,390 --> 04:05:16,950
Brasis County.

2928
04:05:17,070 --> 04:05:25,290
That's 8.4, 8.5 is very similar, except that it is a improvement of ordinance vacating

2929
04:05:25,290 --> 04:05:32,870
and abandoning a 0.252 acre portion of a 30 foot wide landscape utility easement located

2930
04:05:32,870 --> 04:05:38,010
on the 1 hour block 4 of the Business Center College Station Subhibition Phase 3.

2931
04:05:39,010 --> 04:05:49,150
As a county Texas according to the Plaths recorded volume 3764, page 130 and volume 11,640,

2932
04:05:49,390 --> 04:05:51,990
page 99 of the official public records.

2933
04:05:52,550 --> 04:05:58,750
As a county Texas, Mr. Lucas Harper will lead us through this request probably using less

2934
04:05:58,750 --> 04:05:59,810
words than I've already read.

2935
04:06:00,690 --> 04:06:02,030
Thank you, Mayor and Council.

2936
04:06:02,250 --> 04:06:08,170
Lucas Arper, Plenty and Development Services, tonight's agenda item, items 8.4 and 8.5

2937
04:06:08,170 --> 04:06:13,370
are the requested abandonments of portions of landscape access and utility easements

2938
04:06:13,370 --> 04:06:17,070
located in the business center, phases 2 and 3.

2939
04:06:18,010 --> 04:06:23,250
The easements are located adjacent to and surrounding the technology way, right away that

2940
04:06:23,250 --> 04:06:37,850
It was heard and conditionally abandoned by Council at the March 27th, 2025 City Council meeting and there are approximately 550 feet north east of the intersections of technology way and Lakeway Drive.

2941
04:06:38,650 --> 04:06:44,790
The platted easements are generally 30 feet wide and the portions to be abandoned do not house utilities.

2942
04:06:44,790 --> 04:06:56,610
These portions of the easements reserved for access and maintenance of the existing utilities located in the conditionally abandoned right away have been excluded from this abandonment request.

2943
04:06:57,710 --> 04:07:09,310
The request for abandonment was initiated by the applicant due to their desire to construct a portion of their structure and supporting drive-alls and parking in the area of the easements.

2944
04:07:09,310 --> 04:07:12,750
It's all utilities have provided consent for the

2945
04:07:12,750 --> 04:07:15,610
amendments and city staff does recommend approval.

2946
04:07:16,170 --> 04:07:21,410
I've had no inquiries about this and with that concludes my presentation.

2947
04:07:22,050 --> 04:07:23,290
Any questions for staff?

2948
04:07:24,810 --> 04:07:26,790
Seeing none, I'll open the public hearing.

2949
04:07:27,270 --> 04:07:30,930
Anyone here who wish to speak, there was no one signed up for it.

2950
04:07:32,330 --> 04:07:37,870
So I will close the public hearing and go to the Royal Council on 8.4.

2951
04:07:37,870 --> 04:07:39,190
We've got a vote separately, correct?

2952
04:07:39,430 --> 04:07:40,050
May the approval.

2953
04:07:40,950 --> 04:07:41,330
Second.

2954
04:07:41,470 --> 04:07:43,470
May by Ms. McLean, a second.

2955
04:07:44,770 --> 04:07:45,290
Pop.

2956
04:07:46,330 --> 04:07:47,470
Second by Mr. Smith.

2957
04:07:47,550 --> 04:07:48,050
I'll take it again.

2958
04:07:48,290 --> 04:07:48,650
Who never?

2959
04:07:49,370 --> 04:07:50,910
I've got Mr. Smith down here.

2960
04:07:51,770 --> 04:07:55,070
So we have motion second to approve 8.4.

2961
04:07:55,410 --> 04:07:56,590
All those in favor say aye.

2962
04:07:57,010 --> 04:07:57,230
Aye.

2963
04:07:57,790 --> 04:07:58,250
Opposed?

2964
04:07:58,690 --> 04:07:59,790
Motion carries unanimously.

2965
04:08:01,050 --> 04:08:02,410
Anyone wants to make a motion?

2966
04:08:02,630 --> 04:08:03,930
Then item 8.5.

2967
04:08:04,310 --> 04:08:04,930
May the approval.

2968
04:08:06,050 --> 04:08:06,570
Second.

2969
04:08:07,510 --> 04:08:09,550
Mr. Wright, second.

2970
04:08:11,190 --> 04:08:14,630
Can I ask a question for a vote?

2971
04:08:15,150 --> 04:08:15,950
Yes, sir.

2972
04:08:16,050 --> 04:08:16,290
Thanks.

2973
04:08:17,050 --> 04:08:18,390
Why doesn't everybody do this?

2974
04:08:19,330 --> 04:08:23,170
Why, I mean, we're looking at why wouldn't everybody just come in and ask for this land

2975
04:08:23,170 --> 04:08:23,450
back?

2976
04:08:24,290 --> 04:08:26,930
No, well, that's an economic development discussion.

2977
04:08:27,310 --> 04:08:31,690
I was involved in that discussion with a company that is there.

2978
04:08:31,690 --> 04:08:37,070
they own the property across the way, we have already abandoned the state.

2979
04:08:37,490 --> 04:08:41,850
I heard that, but it just strikes me that, you know, there's a lot of right away that

2980
04:08:41,850 --> 04:08:46,590
we obviously put aside for a reason, and if I was doing not, I would put aside for the

2981
04:08:46,590 --> 04:08:48,690
sale of property next door to the property.

2982
04:08:48,690 --> 04:08:49,810
Okay, we'll have to talk about it now.

2983
04:08:49,990 --> 04:08:52,730
And they've already bought that property, they want to expand.

2984
04:08:56,410 --> 04:08:58,190
Okay, I'm trying to answer the question.

2985
04:08:58,190 --> 04:09:01,230
And that's why a lot of people don't come and ask for it

2986
04:09:01,230 --> 04:09:02,830
because they don't own the property there.

2987
04:09:02,930 --> 04:09:04,970
And it's going to affect other people.

2988
04:09:05,130 --> 04:09:05,710
They couldn't make it.

2989
04:09:06,330 --> 04:09:07,530
Couldn't if they didn't own the property.

2990
04:09:09,030 --> 04:09:09,190
OK.

2991
04:09:10,390 --> 04:09:12,850
OK, motion has been made and seconded.

2992
04:09:13,090 --> 04:09:15,370
All those in favor are any further questions.

2993
04:09:16,250 --> 04:09:17,010
I don't want to rush anybody.

2994
04:09:18,150 --> 04:09:20,750
OK, motion made and seconded.

2995
04:09:20,870 --> 04:09:21,870
All those in favor say aye.

2996
04:09:22,350 --> 04:09:22,590
Aye.

2997
04:09:23,050 --> 04:09:23,410
Opposed?

2998
04:09:24,150 --> 04:09:25,290
Motion carries unanimously.

2999
04:09:25,290 --> 04:09:30,970
We have. Thank you both of those abandonments. Item 8.6

3000
04:09:32,830 --> 04:09:38,550
Public hearing presentation discussion possible actually regarding an ordinance amending chapter 103 building

3001
04:09:39,290 --> 04:09:44,830
Buildings and building relation regulations article three technical code is division two

3002
04:09:44,830 --> 04:09:49,270
Building codes and division three electrical codes adopted by in adopting

3003
04:09:50,190 --> 04:09:58,730
adopting the 2024 International Codes, the 2023 National Electrical Code, and EC and related amendments.

3004
04:09:59,370 --> 04:09:59,990
Mr. Benford.

3005
04:10:00,510 --> 04:10:01,030
Welcome.

3006
04:10:01,470 --> 04:10:02,610
Mayor Council, Brian Benford.

3007
04:10:03,350 --> 04:10:03,850
Building official.

3008
04:10:04,610 --> 04:10:05,190
Let me adjust this.

3009
04:10:05,390 --> 04:10:14,160
So the codes, both the ICC codes and the National Electrical Code are updated every three years.

3010
04:10:15,340 --> 04:10:21,000
For various reasons, a lot of it's to keep up with federal standards, but you know, there's new safety features that come in.

3011
04:10:21,000 --> 04:10:26,440
things of that nature, excuse me, we as a city are currently under the 2021 International

3012
04:10:26,440 --> 04:10:34,420
Codes and the 2020 National Electrical Code and this new proposal there is actually less

3013
04:10:34,420 --> 04:10:38,220
total amendments and that's a lot of that to do with state law that changed and you can't

3014
04:10:38,220 --> 04:10:42,280
regulate, like we've talked about building materials, well that carries over into construction

3015
04:10:42,280 --> 04:10:47,940
materials as well and so there's seven new amendments but the total number of amendments is actually

3016
04:10:47,940 --> 04:10:52,560
gone down. This is just a highlight overview of some of the changes.

3017
04:10:54,640 --> 04:10:55,120
Decreased

3018
04:10:55,120 --> 04:10:58,340
attic insulation for one and two family dwellings. I won't read everyone

3019
04:10:58,340 --> 04:11:02,980
to you. I know you've had this, but this covers kind of the whole family of

3020
04:11:02,980 --> 04:11:05,540
codes and some of the changes that are in there.

3021
04:11:07,020 --> 04:11:11,980
Our glass fiber works and concrete. You'll go back. I'm sorry. I thought that stuff

3022
04:11:11,980 --> 04:11:17,260
works. Yeah, it was we had a pretty cool meeting on that with a company.

3023
04:11:17,260 --> 04:11:22,380
So, Brian, why would the only question I have when I looked over this is decreased attic

3024
04:11:22,380 --> 04:11:22,800
insulation?

3025
04:11:23,100 --> 04:11:24,840
Yeah, it didn't make sense to me.

3026
04:11:24,960 --> 04:11:27,380
I mean, this all seems fine, but I just wondered why that was.

3027
04:11:27,660 --> 04:11:28,220
Great question.

3028
04:11:28,420 --> 04:11:31,300
I actually had been into training the last three days, and that was one of the questions

3029
04:11:31,300 --> 04:11:32,620
I was trying to get addressed.

3030
04:11:32,960 --> 04:11:41,460
And so, in the 2018 codes, residential home was R-38, and then in the 2021 codes, it went

3031
04:11:41,460 --> 04:11:47,160
to R-49, and essentially coming from, and you have to look at everything and wear the information

3032
04:11:47,160 --> 04:11:52,060
comes from what associations putting out the information and where they are in that aspect.

3033
04:11:52,260 --> 04:11:56,500
But it was you spend the money to get to this point and then the money from that point

3034
04:11:56,500 --> 04:12:02,020
to that point doesn't justify that it takes a lot longer to get that money back, I guess

3035
04:12:02,020 --> 04:12:03,340
is the best way to say it.

3036
04:12:03,460 --> 04:12:07,800
So you spend it all getting to that R38 and then that additional increase just isn't getting

3037
04:12:07,800 --> 04:12:10,120
the return that you would think the homeowner would get from it.

3038
04:12:10,640 --> 04:12:11,180
How was it?

3039
04:12:11,280 --> 04:12:12,080
It was explained to me.

3040
04:12:12,080 --> 04:12:21,000
So it's back to 38 now. Yes, some other number. Yes, sir. Yes, Eric. So it was 38. 49 back to 38. Yes, sir. I

3041
04:12:21,000 --> 04:12:25,440
Absolutely hate it when they do that with full swing changes, but it does happen.

3042
04:12:27,340 --> 04:12:37,480
Any other questions on this page? Oh, sorry. I'm sorry again. And so we did provide an overview of all the changes to the leadership group with a greater

3043
04:12:37,480 --> 04:12:42,860
of Rises Valley Builders Association back in July and August got those to them in two

3044
04:12:42,860 --> 04:12:49,600
batches, had a couple questions back and forth but they even supported some of the new amendments

3045
04:12:49,600 --> 04:12:55,200
we had in there and then this was presented to the construction board of adjustments on

3046
04:12:55,200 --> 04:13:01,980
October 28th and it was a unanimous recommendation for adoption as approved or as presented.

3047
04:13:03,420 --> 04:13:08,180
I don't know if changes you had on the previous pages, those are changes in the code, they're

3048
04:13:08,180 --> 04:13:13,320
not amendments by the way, it's just, that was just a, just summarizing, okay, yes sir.

3049
04:13:15,580 --> 04:13:18,140
And so staff also recommends approval.

3050
04:13:18,500 --> 04:13:24,880
We do request an effective date of January 1 to give projects that are currently under design

3051
04:13:24,880 --> 04:13:29,900
time to work through that before we, you know, we're not just changing it in 10 days on them.

3052
04:13:30,460 --> 04:13:32,880
And then I'm here for any questions obviously.

3053
04:13:32,940 --> 04:13:34,320
Any other questions for staff?

3054
04:13:34,940 --> 04:13:35,460
Mr. Benford?

3055
04:13:35,780 --> 04:13:37,220
I just want to say one thing.

3056
04:13:37,440 --> 04:13:45,720
Oh yeah, Mr. Benford is not here that often, but we have had the recent experience of working in a different municipality.

3057
04:13:46,240 --> 04:13:56,840
And I very much appreciate that your inspectors are incredibly responsive, usually out the very next day that has not been my experience elsewhere.

3058
04:13:56,840 --> 04:14:04,560
I just doubly appreciate I think we take that for granted but you guys are awesome. I appreciate that very much. Thank you. Thank you very much.

3059
04:14:04,740 --> 04:14:18,780
Seeing no other questions or staff. This is a public hearing item 8.6. I don't have anyone signed up to speak on this. So but I'll open the public hearing anyone want to speak on on this item.

3060
04:14:20,400 --> 04:14:23,440
Seeing no one I'll close the public hearing and turn to the will of the council.

3061
04:14:25,580 --> 04:14:32,980
second. Second. Third. Everyone and everyone. Mr. White, may the motion. Who seconded? Anybody?

3062
04:14:33,600 --> 04:14:33,800
Bob?

3063
04:14:36,240 --> 04:14:42,360
I'm sorry, Scott. I have to do this so we keep the records read for the City Secretary's

3064
04:14:43,600 --> 04:14:50,380
minutes. Okay. All those in favor say aye. I posed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you, Mr.

3065
04:14:50,380 --> 04:14:57,320
been heard, appreciate your being here the next item is related and well not directly but similarly.

3066
04:14:57,860 --> 04:14:59,700
It's also code related if I can.

3067
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:01,080
Turn the page.

3068
04:15:03,540 --> 04:15:09,420
Item 8.7. Presentation, discussion, pathway, action regarding ordinance, amendment

3069
04:15:09,420 --> 04:15:16,580
chapter 16, fire prevention, and protection, article 3, fire code, section 16, 51, 16, 52,

3070
04:15:16,960 --> 04:15:25,000
and Article 4, life safety code, section 16, a, Mr. Giordano. Good evening, camera Giordano,

3071
04:15:25,000 --> 04:15:34,840
Fire Marshal is going to be a very similar presentation to Mr. Benford's here posing the 2024 International Fire Code and 2024 Life Safety Code.

3072
04:15:36,700 --> 04:15:43,620
Their update every three years as well are tasks are our goal going into the code cycle.

3073
04:15:43,860 --> 04:15:51,640
This cycle was to look at our amendments and finding duplication and do we still have a necessity for amendments.

3074
04:15:52,760 --> 04:15:56,800
like the building code, we also have fewer amendments than previous.

3075
04:15:57,720 --> 04:16:02,460
We removed a lot of duplication that were found in other codes that we didn't really need anymore.

3076
04:16:03,680 --> 04:16:06,660
We're on the 2021 International Fire Code and Life Safety Code.

3077
04:16:07,460 --> 04:16:11,860
We have eight new proposed local amendments and we're proposing to remove nine.

3078
04:16:12,720 --> 04:16:14,880
Like I said, mainly due to duplication.

3079
04:16:17,750 --> 04:16:22,750
The highlights of the fire code changes are carbon monoxide detection is now going to be required

3080
04:16:22,750 --> 04:16:28,730
in every occupancy that has gas, fuel, burning, appliances, those are previously just found

3081
04:16:28,730 --> 04:16:34,870
in education or residential. The big changes for the IFC this year were they added entire

3082
04:16:34,870 --> 04:16:40,590
sections over lithium batteries. That's kind of the new thing in fire safety and that's

3083
04:16:40,590 --> 04:16:45,090
kind of our new thing that starts fires now.

3084
04:16:45,710 --> 04:16:52,330
Where is typical? Where would you find that? A storage room would be a commercial property

3085
04:16:52,330 --> 04:16:56,810
that's selling these things? And in stores like Home Depot and Loes, they take recycled

3086
04:16:56,810 --> 04:17:03,270
batteries. So really anything over 15 cubic square feet is going to increase the fire safety

3087
04:17:03,270 --> 04:17:07,410
requirements. And that's only 255 gallon barrels or the batteries.

3088
04:17:07,410 --> 04:17:12,870
All right. Thank you. So there's some new alternative fire

3089
04:17:12,870 --> 04:17:17,610
signature systems that are now in the code. These are good for IT rooms that don't

3090
04:17:17,610 --> 04:17:18,770
really want water on them.

3091
04:17:23,270 --> 04:17:24,970
These were also presented to the construction board

3092
04:17:24,970 --> 04:17:31,190
of adjustments on October 28th and they voted unanimously to recommend adoption

3093
04:17:31,190 --> 04:17:37,130
as presented. As do we with a request of effective date of January 1st?

3094
04:17:39,400 --> 04:17:42,660
Okay, this is not a public hearing, interesting enough.

3095
04:17:43,740 --> 04:17:45,440
But any questions for staff?

3096
04:17:48,860 --> 04:17:50,400
Thank you very much for your presentation.

3097
04:17:50,640 --> 04:17:51,840
Chair, will you take the motion to approve?

3098
04:17:53,340 --> 04:17:55,240
No, ma'am.

3099
04:17:55,240 --> 04:17:56,980
Motion made and Mr. Wright, second.

3100
04:17:57,840 --> 04:17:58,640
By Ms. McLean.

3101
04:17:59,860 --> 04:18:00,880
Any further discussion?

3102
04:18:01,500 --> 04:18:01,780
No, sir.

3103
04:18:02,100 --> 04:18:02,800
Just one comment.

3104
04:18:02,920 --> 04:18:04,400
Yeah, please, you're in the business, yeah.

3105
04:18:04,700 --> 04:18:07,360
No, the fire marshal shows it faster than Benford's

3106
04:18:07,360 --> 04:18:09,320
specter, so good job to y'all, too.

3107
04:18:09,880 --> 04:18:11,260
They usually come same day.

3108
04:18:12,160 --> 04:18:19,260
Thank you. Thank you. Okay, the motion second. Oh, isn't it to approve all of the favour of

3109
04:18:19,260 --> 04:18:25,680
saying aye. Aye. Opposed. Motion carries unanimously. That's 8.7.

3110
04:18:27,880 --> 04:18:32,440
8.8 and 8.9. This

3111
04:18:32,440 --> 04:18:38,000
is separate. Mr. Australiski is coming forward. I got it. They're both baseball related in

3112
04:18:38,000 --> 04:18:43,800
different ways, so I'll let them be separate, I guess, unless you need it together in one.

3113
04:18:44,200 --> 04:18:45,040
No, they can be separate.

3114
04:18:45,440 --> 04:18:48,340
I had evening Mayor City Council, I was ready to type the heading.

3115
04:18:48,800 --> 04:18:53,540
Presentation discussion, Council action, regarding the Veterans Park and Midtown Area Baseball

3116
04:18:53,540 --> 04:18:55,600
Field Projects, Mr. Shrowski.

3117
04:18:55,900 --> 04:18:57,820
Yeah, Michael Astralsky, Chief Development Officer.

3118
04:18:58,120 --> 04:19:00,860
So this item is to get some direction from Council.

3119
04:19:01,500 --> 04:19:06,800
Next step says it relates to baseball, really looking at two different components, one, the

3120
04:19:06,800 --> 04:19:11,660
championship field as well as the remaining complex with the eight other fields.

3121
04:19:12,200 --> 04:19:16,740
You've seen a proposal by Southern Roots, so staff is really looking for

3122
04:19:16,740 --> 04:19:21,480
direction right now on how to proceed on both of those. One option with the

3123
04:19:21,480 --> 04:19:26,140
championship field is in probably the quickest option for it to be built would be

3124
04:19:26,140 --> 04:19:31,120
the city construct the championship field likely in the corner of Midtown Drive

3125
04:19:31,120 --> 04:19:37,820
in corporate parkway extension and then look at one of the options we could look at there too is

3126
04:19:37,820 --> 04:19:44,960
is that design fit specifically for that location we may look at some modifications for the design

3127
04:19:44,960 --> 04:19:50,320
to add some additional capacity if there was an opportunity for let's say a minor league team in

3128
04:19:50,320 --> 04:19:55,540
the future we could look at some potential design changes to have the ability to expand it in the

3129
04:19:55,540 --> 04:20:00,900
future if that were the case but then the second portion with the complex itself we

3130
04:20:00,900 --> 04:20:05,960
We've been presented opportunity from a private entity through seven routes.

3131
04:20:06,940 --> 04:20:11,260
And so the question with that is, does council want to negotiate directly with that group?

3132
04:20:11,740 --> 04:20:16,580
Or would you like to go out for a request for proposals to see if there are any other potential

3133
04:20:17,660 --> 04:20:18,900
respondents that would be out there?

3134
04:20:21,280 --> 04:20:24,720
That's a summary of your presentation, so you're looking for direction.

3135
04:20:25,160 --> 04:20:25,380
We are.

3136
04:20:25,840 --> 04:20:26,200
All right.

3137
04:20:26,400 --> 04:20:29,880
Who would like to provide some direction and Mr. Nancy?

3138
04:20:30,500 --> 04:20:56,420
As one member of council, I'd like to see us treat this as a sole source, economic development project without going to bid with the exception of the championship field, which I, as one member of council would like to see this city of college station take that on as an expedited and concurrent project under the auspices of city hall and our staff.

3139
04:20:56,420 --> 04:20:57,300
Any

3140
04:20:59,540 --> 04:21:05,100
other comments in support of that or a different direction, Mr. Smith?

3141
04:21:06,380 --> 04:21:09,580
My comments would be in support of that as well.

3142
04:21:09,800 --> 04:21:25,560
I think in order to expedite the development going ahead with southern routes and moving on with that and then also doing a concurrent city capital project on the championship field.

3143
04:21:28,150 --> 04:21:32,030
other comments. Just a quick question from Michael are you asking

3144
04:21:32,030 --> 04:21:37,510
you for us to evaluate the sitting capacity now or just allow for the

3145
04:21:37,510 --> 04:21:41,510
expansion in the future. We could look at and work with the architects to see

3146
04:21:41,510 --> 04:21:46,590
what it would take to expand the currently designed facility to potentially add

3147
04:21:46,590 --> 04:21:53,130
those in the future. To support the economic development agreement over the RFP

3148
04:21:53,130 --> 04:22:01,290
process and also support the immediate rollout of anything we can do to get that championship

3149
04:22:01,290 --> 04:22:05,870
fill moving. Any other comments? Looks like I'm shaking

3150
04:22:05,870 --> 04:22:10,090
your head. Mr. White. I'm in full agreement with one of my colleagues. Chair, can you

3151
04:22:10,090 --> 04:22:13,730
kind of give us a timeline if we move forward with this championship fill?

3152
04:22:15,850 --> 04:22:16,830
Would it be ready

3153
04:22:16,830 --> 04:22:22,590
for 2027? June 2027? June 2027, likely not. I think

3154
04:22:22,590 --> 04:22:26,370
get the earliest, you know, if everything went correctly and we don't hit weather delays

3155
04:22:26,370 --> 04:22:32,730
and so forth, you're probably looking later, 2027, but more likely 2028 for the opening

3156
04:22:32,730 --> 04:22:33,410
of the season there.

3157
04:22:36,820 --> 04:22:41,720
We will do everything we can to expedite it to see how quickly we can get it for 2027, but

3158
04:22:41,720 --> 04:22:44,380
likely not June, but it could be later, 2027.

3159
04:22:45,480 --> 04:22:46,120
Thank you.

3160
04:22:47,520 --> 04:22:56,760
Okay. No further comments? Before we finalize our direction, I do have a speaker, Mr.

3161
04:22:57,180 --> 04:23:04,800
Erie Giva. Erie Giva has signed up to speak, even though it's not a public hearing, but it's an item on our agenda.

3162
04:23:05,140 --> 04:23:07,820
And anyone who wishes, anyone's welcome to speak.

3163
04:23:07,820 --> 04:23:13,220
Hi, good evening, Erie Geva from College Station, and I had my friend Kaboom, but as well

3164
04:23:13,220 --> 04:23:16,160
passes bedtime, also long time resident in the College Station.

3165
04:23:16,720 --> 04:23:19,780
There's been some talks about what minor league baseball really means.

3166
04:23:20,220 --> 04:23:26,380
Most would agree its fireworks, drone shows, public heads, custom jerseys, DC bat races, kids

3167
04:23:26,380 --> 04:23:31,000
running the bases every night, supporting local charities, great mascots like Kaboom.

3168
04:23:31,280 --> 04:23:33,340
I wish you would hear that because I never compliment him.

3169
04:23:33,860 --> 04:23:36,380
Baseball camps, fun food, and developing future talent.

3170
04:23:36,380 --> 04:23:42,720
I think the future talent is a key with Corey Colbert, a Sion winner, Hunter Pence, an MLB

3171
04:23:42,720 --> 04:23:46,700
All-Star and World Series Champion, Paul Goldschmidt, and National League MVP,

3172
04:23:46,920 --> 04:23:50,080
Aja Minter, Bryce Miller, and others who've made a mark in the majors.

3173
04:23:50,480 --> 04:23:53,600
They all came from the Texas Collegiate League, some of them have been bombers as well.

3174
04:23:54,080 --> 04:23:59,320
And they make more impact in the major leagues than any independent professional league has

3175
04:23:59,320 --> 04:24:00,360
ever made in Texas.

3176
04:24:00,360 --> 04:24:05,480
even coaches like Tyler Gillim who now leads the Savannah bananas once wore a

3177
04:24:05,480 --> 04:24:08,700
bomber's jersey. We're thankful for the City of

3178
04:24:08,700 --> 04:24:13,180
Colossation's vision to secure the bomber's long-term home. Your home time

3179
04:24:13,180 --> 04:24:19,320
minor league baseball team. I respectfully urge the council mayor to act tonight,

3180
04:24:19,620 --> 04:24:22,900
move forward with the championship stadium at Midtown, relocate the current

3181
04:24:22,900 --> 04:24:29,080
veterans design to Midtown Drive and keep the momentum strong. This decision will

3182
04:24:29,080 --> 04:24:33,660
not negatively affect the amazing project the city is working with to finalize with Thomas Rogers

3183
04:24:33,660 --> 04:24:38,600
and his group. Thank you for your time and your leadership. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You have a

3184
04:24:38,600 --> 04:24:45,220
question for him? Yes, sir. We made a commitment to you and the bombers that we would have a

3185
04:24:45,220 --> 04:24:52,020
championship field and we said we would do that in 2027. It looks like now probably you're looking

3186
04:24:52,020 --> 04:24:57,300
in that 2028 as the opening day for a conversation.

3187
04:24:57,860 --> 04:24:59,060
Is that doable for you?

3188
04:24:59,320 --> 04:25:04,220
I mean, are you able to find various alternative locations

3189
04:25:04,620 --> 04:25:05,680
for the next three years?

3190
04:25:06,300 --> 04:25:08,160
I think in working with the city staff

3191
04:25:08,160 --> 04:25:11,560
and the steam colleagues up here

3192
04:25:11,560 --> 04:25:15,720
that there's a wonderful facility at Texas A&M at Olsen Field

3193
04:25:15,720 --> 04:25:17,540
and there's a great economic relationship

3194
04:25:17,540 --> 04:25:19,700
between the city and the university

3195
04:25:19,700 --> 04:25:21,720
and that could be an option to play some games there

3196
04:25:21,720 --> 04:25:26,620
in 2027, there's other economic ways to make sure that the bombers are going to be here

3197
04:25:26,620 --> 04:25:27,440
by 2028.

3198
04:25:27,740 --> 04:25:32,020
So, we'll work with City Staff, we'll support the project as is and hopefully it can move

3199
04:25:32,020 --> 04:25:32,680
super fast.

3200
04:25:32,980 --> 04:25:36,480
And there have been miracles before and if you build that they will come and I think they

3201
04:25:36,480 --> 04:25:41,220
can build it really fast and I've seen the staff work miracles before and maybe 27 could

3202
04:25:41,220 --> 04:25:44,920
happen, maybe it's not June, but maybe it's July or maybe it's, you know, the last week

3203
04:25:44,920 --> 04:25:47,920
of the season, maybe play a playoffs there in 2027.

3204
04:25:47,920 --> 04:25:54,320
And so I think, you know, I fully believe that the staff can work really fast and do some magical things.

3205
04:25:54,600 --> 04:25:56,760
Let me ask the question in a completely different way.

3206
04:25:56,880 --> 04:25:58,500
You're not planning on going to any other cities.

3207
04:25:58,700 --> 04:25:59,700
You're spec with callization.

3208
04:25:59,960 --> 04:26:00,260
You're here.

3209
04:26:00,340 --> 04:26:01,040
This is your home.

3210
04:26:01,080 --> 04:26:02,560
We want bombers and college stations.

3211
04:26:02,760 --> 04:26:04,820
I've lived in college station for over 30 years.

3212
04:26:04,960 --> 04:26:06,000
I'm not moving anywhere.

3213
04:26:06,240 --> 04:26:09,040
And the bombers will be in their home away from home in an episode of,

3214
04:26:09,340 --> 04:26:11,320
as they're happy to have us temporarily.

3215
04:26:11,320 --> 04:26:14,280
And it is closer than our old home at up north.

3216
04:26:17,540 --> 04:26:18,600
Thank you, Erie.

3217
04:26:18,600 --> 04:26:21,540
I appreciate your presentation statement.

3218
04:26:22,660 --> 04:26:24,280
Let me just turn back to Michael.

3219
04:26:24,780 --> 04:26:31,440
I think I saw a pretty strong consensus reflecting what best

3220
04:26:31,440 --> 04:26:33,580
Reancy direction was.

3221
04:26:33,860 --> 04:26:35,560
Is that enough direction?

3222
04:26:35,720 --> 04:26:36,940
Do you need more specifics?

3223
04:26:37,560 --> 04:26:38,260
No, I think that's it.

3224
04:26:38,420 --> 04:26:41,380
So we'll take City will proceed at looking at constructing the

3225
04:26:41,380 --> 04:26:42,300
Championship field.

3226
04:26:42,760 --> 04:26:46,900
We'll directly negotiate with Thomas Rogers and his team for the

3227
04:26:46,900 --> 04:26:52,100
remaining complex. And we'll also start the work on design for the utilities and infrastructure

3228
04:26:52,100 --> 04:26:59,480
for the site. Okay, it sounds like that's an agreement and everybody up here, so that's

3229
04:26:59,480 --> 04:27:06,680
good. That's your direction. Thank you very much. Thank you. Item 8.9 is presentation discussion

3230
04:27:06,680 --> 04:27:13,000
possible action on two deductive change orders related to Veterans Park Baseball Field Project,

3231
04:27:13,000 --> 04:27:33,200
the deduction of 266,586 dollars and 55 cents on the design contract with the pendulum studio LLC for design work and a deduction of $5,000 on the CMAR contract with Crane Group LLC for pre-concerction services, Ms. Kane.

3232
04:27:34,100 --> 04:27:34,980
Good evening.

3233
04:27:35,560 --> 04:27:50,240
These are the two changes related to the VPAC project and so these are just a formality and we brought to you all for your discussion tonight to close out the design contract with pendulum and then to close out the design or the construction manager at risk contract with the Crane Group for the Veterans Park project.

3234
04:27:50,860 --> 04:27:52,240
So I'll be happy to answer any questions.

3235
04:27:52,680 --> 04:27:54,020
Any questions for Mr. Gain?

3236
04:27:54,840 --> 04:27:55,520
Yes, Mayor.

3237
04:27:56,280 --> 04:27:56,540
Yes sir.

3238
04:27:57,140 --> 04:27:57,600
Mr. Nancy.

3239
04:27:59,460 --> 04:28:01,220
May I ask her questions, Mayor?

3240
04:28:01,960 --> 04:28:05,700
Tan General, too, or are indirectly related to 8.8?

3241
04:28:06,420 --> 04:28:09,120
Well, do they bear to 8.8?

3242
04:28:09,540 --> 04:28:09,860
Yes, sir.

3243
04:28:10,160 --> 04:28:11,440
Well, I will.

3244
04:28:11,520 --> 04:28:12,080
I'll thank you.

3245
04:28:12,380 --> 04:28:13,140
Thank you very much.

3246
04:28:13,380 --> 04:28:15,040
I'm not sure how that would go, but.

3247
04:28:15,620 --> 04:28:17,600
Ms. Kane, we'll keep us afinked.

3248
04:28:17,780 --> 04:28:18,040
I will.

3249
04:28:18,500 --> 04:28:26,860
We just, I think, gave direction clearly that we would be building the championship field.

3250
04:28:26,860 --> 04:28:29,680
that did you understand it that way?

3251
04:28:30,020 --> 04:28:30,140
Yes.

3252
04:28:30,680 --> 04:28:37,440
And is that something as our capital projects professional that you feel like we can do and do efficiently?

3253
04:28:38,080 --> 04:28:38,880
Yes, we can.

3254
04:28:39,320 --> 04:28:51,200
And can you also help us with an assurance that the taxpayer can be backstopped to use a probably improper analogy?

3255
04:28:52,050 --> 04:28:56,420
In the unlikely event, I as one member of council don't think it's going to happen.

3256
04:28:56,420 --> 04:29:14,700
But our partner, that they're unable to successfully complete the larger section of fields would the city be able to backstop that step in and ensure that the taxpayers investment is protected by completing it.

3257
04:29:14,700 --> 04:29:18,660
I think that's not a question for capital projects, probably a question for either Mr.

3258
04:29:18,660 --> 04:29:24,000
the city manager, because I think it is germane to that issue if that's what you're really.

3259
04:29:24,400 --> 04:29:24,740
Yes, sir.

3260
04:29:24,980 --> 04:29:28,320
You didn't put it in your, you want to add that to the direction?

3261
04:29:28,780 --> 04:29:29,180
Yes, sir.

3262
04:29:30,080 --> 04:29:34,780
So I would say, I mean, looking at all the items we talked about probably fall somewhere

3263
04:29:34,780 --> 04:29:39,520
in the gray area of these, I think, Kane would tell you that we are more than capable building

3264
04:29:39,520 --> 04:29:40,200
baseball fields.

3265
04:29:40,460 --> 04:29:44,760
I mean, consider the fact that we were going to build other baseball fields.

3266
04:29:44,760 --> 04:29:49,300
we are building the championship field which would be the most complex one, so we certainly

3267
04:29:49,300 --> 04:29:53,760
have the capability. Specifically as it relates to what would happen in the deal, that's something

3268
04:29:53,760 --> 04:29:57,940
that obviously would be based on what council's direction and the resources that we put to it,

3269
04:29:57,960 --> 04:29:59,980
but all of it's within our capability is...

3270
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:27,560
City, were it not to be performed by a private sector entity in this situation, or if just council had decided we want you to go build them? So we will plan from a worst case scenario to be prepared to make the taxpayer whole on the completion of the base by. For a worst case scenario is our total limo. Just what I wanted to hear. Thank you very much, Mr. City Manager. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you very much. It looks like you've raised another question. Mr. White wants to ask.

3271
04:30:28,680 --> 04:30:34,240
Based off, I think the direction that Council has given tonight, moving forward with the

3272
04:30:34,240 --> 04:30:41,100
championship field, knowing that we're going to try to use the design from veterans.

3273
04:30:41,580 --> 04:30:49,940
Can you tell me, based off your experience, what other steps that will occur over the

3274
04:30:49,940 --> 04:30:55,260
next two and a half years until we open that facility that will come back to Council for

3275
04:30:55,260 --> 04:30:55,820
approval?

3276
04:30:56,440 --> 04:31:03,720
Sure. So, since, you know, if we are going to reuse the design from Veterans Park, the majority of it, as we've mentioned before, a lot of it can be reused.

3277
04:31:04,080 --> 04:31:09,080
But some of the initial steps we'll have to do is certainly get a new proposal, do a new contract with the design team.

3278
04:31:09,360 --> 04:31:14,420
We will go through another process to get the construction manager back on board to help us with this project.

3279
04:31:15,020 --> 04:31:23,040
Again, all after the funding is allocated for it, we'll have to do survey work, geotechnical work, and then restart all of the rest of design.

3280
04:31:23,040 --> 04:31:29,140
finish things out and get all the new components there, and then we would work with our contractor, they would bid it out, and then they would start construction.

3281
04:31:29,620 --> 04:31:47,200
And so, in that process, what point do you come back for Council for approval, whether it's approval for funds for the contractor, the design, how many more steps do we have as a council to make this fill to hold?

3282
04:31:47,200 --> 04:31:56,100
Sure, so for sure on December, I think it's the night for the capital budget meeting we'll talk about this again with some numbers associated with it similar to what we've already been talking about.

3283
04:31:56,320 --> 04:32:02,760
I think it's a second meeting in January. We'll have a budget amendment, which would include the additional funds most likely to discuss.

3284
04:32:03,260 --> 04:32:07,160
Then we would bring back, at some point in there, we'd bring back the design contract for Council for approval.

3285
04:32:07,620 --> 04:32:12,940
And then any guaranteed maximum price amendments for construction would come back likely there'd be more than one.

3286
04:32:12,940 --> 04:32:25,860
We'd have probably a site package and then the actual construction package so at least at least four or five more times to talk about if not if not more we could certainly provide updates during the I think every six months or so we do capital updates. It would be part of that process as well.

3287
04:32:26,840 --> 04:32:28,340
Perfect. Thank you so much.

3288
04:32:29,840 --> 04:32:39,700
Okay, on 8.9 we're talking about the deductive changes, any further comments?

3289
04:32:40,340 --> 04:32:42,280
I don't know what signed up to speak on this.

3290
04:32:43,120 --> 04:32:46,640
They're laid out here, the reason for that I think are pretty clear.

3291
04:32:47,440 --> 04:32:48,580
Any further questions?

3292
04:32:49,400 --> 04:32:50,320
I would move approval.

3293
04:32:51,020 --> 04:32:53,640
Motion made by Miss McLean to approve.

3294
04:32:54,220 --> 04:32:54,460
Second.

3295
04:32:54,460 --> 04:32:54,560
President.

3296
04:32:55,680 --> 04:32:56,200
Second.

3297
04:32:56,800 --> 04:32:58,940
Mr. Hancy, second by Mr. Hancy.

3298
04:32:59,880 --> 04:33:01,640
All of those in any further discussion.

3299
04:33:02,800 --> 04:33:03,880
Guess not, apparently not.

3300
04:33:04,640 --> 04:33:11,000
All of those in favor of the approval of the deductive change orders is outlined in 8.9,

3301
04:33:11,220 --> 04:33:12,120
signify as saying aye.

3302
04:33:12,520 --> 04:33:13,000
Aye.

3303
04:33:13,480 --> 04:33:14,000
Opposed?

3304
04:33:14,560 --> 04:33:15,760
Motion carries unanimously.

3305
04:33:16,100 --> 04:33:17,460
Thank you very much, Miss Kane.

3306
04:33:19,060 --> 04:33:28,680
Okay, Ms. Smith, we have 8.8.10 presentation discussion possible action regarding resolution

3307
04:33:29,200 --> 04:33:34,420
nominating candidates for the browser's appraisal district board of directors.

3308
04:33:34,420 --> 04:33:41,980
We had a letter where there you are, I'm sorry, right where you need to be, thank you.

3309
04:33:43,000 --> 04:33:44,580
Yes, we received a letter.

3310
04:33:44,580 --> 04:33:51,520
This is a resolution nominating a candidate to the appraisal district of Board of Directors.

3311
04:33:53,320 --> 04:34:00,420
Susan Pessel was nominated by City Council and her term expires December 31st of this year.

3312
04:34:01,300 --> 04:34:07,380
She is willing to re-reserve and so we just need a motion for that resolution.

3313
04:34:08,720 --> 04:34:11,440
Okay, Chair, well, any questions?

3314
04:34:12,660 --> 04:34:19,420
She is, she drew a one year term, so she just barely got the one year, so she wants to continue.

3315
04:34:19,540 --> 04:34:24,060
She's talked to me and she's applied for it, so Chair will entertain a motion to approve that.

3316
04:34:24,580 --> 04:34:25,680
I move approval.

3317
04:34:26,260 --> 04:34:26,680
Second.

3318
04:34:27,360 --> 04:34:35,340
Motion made by Ms. McLean is seconded by Mr. Yancey to approve the nomination of Ms. Pessil.

3319
04:34:35,340 --> 04:34:37,080
Mr. Peswell, yes. Susan.

3320
04:34:37,100 --> 04:34:40,200
To the Central Paraisal District Board of Directors.

3321
04:34:41,040 --> 04:34:44,700
Any further discussion? Seeing none, a whole of the favour say aye.

3322
04:34:45,060 --> 04:34:48,740
Aye. Opposed? Motion carries unanimously. I will note

3323
04:34:50,420 --> 04:34:53,440
that she nominated but that doesn't mean she's elected.

3324
04:34:53,840 --> 04:34:55,120
No, I'll come back in December.

3325
04:34:55,780 --> 04:34:57,700
Now does this whole council have to vote?

3326
04:34:58,820 --> 04:35:02,360
We got a certain number of votes based on our tax roll.

3327
04:35:02,360 --> 04:35:03,140
Yes.

3328
04:35:03,480 --> 04:35:05,000
You want the whole council to vote on that?

3329
04:35:05,520 --> 04:35:10,620
It will come back in December at that time where you'll make that vote.

3330
04:35:10,860 --> 04:35:11,040
All right.

3331
04:35:11,340 --> 04:35:12,120
We'll talk about it then.

3332
04:35:12,300 --> 04:35:12,640
Thank you.

3333
04:35:13,420 --> 04:35:18,420
And you're still there, of course, because we have another item 8.11, presentation discussion,

3334
04:35:18,600 --> 04:35:24,240
possible action regarding appointment, the appointments of the impact fee advisory committee.

3335
04:35:24,700 --> 04:35:25,200
Yes, sir.

3336
04:35:25,360 --> 04:35:25,560
Smith.

3337
04:35:26,580 --> 04:35:39,640
Yes sir, we have received applicants for each position and we actually didn't receive any more than what is on the screen here and before you on the tally sheet.

3338
04:35:40,320 --> 04:35:49,880
We do have two P and Z members that you will have to choose between our vote on, so we just need a motion for these individuals.

3339
04:35:49,880 --> 04:35:53,520
Remind me why we have add what why are there isn't an ad hoc?

3340
04:35:54,960 --> 04:35:58,060
That usually means by virtue of their position they're on the committee, but

3341
04:35:59,080 --> 04:35:59,960
these are

3342
04:36:00,440 --> 04:36:04,360
I think that was a definition that was provided in the state legislative

3343
04:36:05,380 --> 04:36:12,060
terminology. I think that's what's guided all of this the ad hoc members are just basically they're unaffiliated with some sort of

3344
04:36:12,060 --> 04:36:16,700
Entity so in this case we have two members of PNZ plans on a commission two members

3345
04:36:16,700 --> 04:36:20,220
You've got four members that have to be from the real estate development or

3346
04:36:20,220 --> 04:36:20,960
builder community.

3347
04:36:21,540 --> 04:36:24,580
And then we called them ad hoc members in the previous IFAG.

3348
04:36:24,620 --> 04:36:29,740
We had two ad hoc members or kind of at large members, just a terminology thing.

3349
04:36:29,860 --> 04:36:30,560
Same difference, really.

3350
04:36:30,800 --> 04:36:32,740
But I think the terminology's wrong.

3351
04:36:34,240 --> 04:36:37,360
We don't need to change the tally sheets this time.

3352
04:36:37,460 --> 04:36:38,560
We can just make a motion.

3353
04:36:40,440 --> 04:36:43,900
The P&Z members are, there's two people who are willing to serve.

3354
04:36:43,900 --> 04:36:47,840
of everyone else, we only got enough applicants to fill the position so you could either

3355
04:36:47,840 --> 04:36:52,320
appoint now, you could wait to get more applicants to be clear.

3356
04:36:52,540 --> 04:36:57,500
If you just make a motion that includes everyone and pick one of those PNZ members, that's

3357
04:36:57,500 --> 04:36:57,600
it.

3358
04:36:57,800 --> 04:36:58,340
That's what I was talking about.

3359
04:36:58,620 --> 04:36:59,300
That's the point.

3360
04:36:59,460 --> 04:37:02,420
You got to pick one of those members and not all of us might agree on that.

3361
04:37:02,720 --> 04:37:04,360
So that's a problem.

3362
04:37:04,520 --> 04:37:06,680
Do you want, if you want to tell your sheets or do you want?

3363
04:37:07,020 --> 04:37:07,180
Okay.

3364
04:37:07,560 --> 04:37:11,500
If y'all just want to make a motion and y'all know who y'all want to share out, make a motion

3365
04:37:11,500 --> 04:37:12,060
if you're ready.

3366
04:37:12,740 --> 04:37:14,240
All right, please do.

3367
04:37:15,000 --> 04:37:17,500
I move that we accept the recommendation from staff

3368
04:37:17,500 --> 04:37:20,580
and any awaiting confirmation slot, PNZ member,

3369
04:37:20,920 --> 04:37:23,120
that Mark Chaloupka be selected.

3370
04:37:24,180 --> 04:37:24,720
I'll second.

3371
04:37:25,200 --> 04:37:26,880
Okay, we have a second for Mr. Smith,

3372
04:37:27,260 --> 04:37:27,960
any further discussion?

3373
04:37:32,490 --> 04:37:34,450
No, okay, no further discussion.

3374
04:37:34,670 --> 04:37:36,390
I guess we can proceed with that.

3375
04:37:36,770 --> 04:37:40,410
You heard the motion of the choice on the PNZ member

3376
04:37:40,980 --> 04:37:44,930
is meant Mark Chaloupka and all the rest is indicated by staff.

3377
04:37:44,930 --> 04:37:53,890
Yeah, I just want to clarify that you are you pick Mark and all the others yes, yeah, he all of those that were

3378
04:37:54,510 --> 04:38:02,210
Presented by staff, but of the two Mark Chalupka and we got a motion in second. So all of the favorites things by saying aye

3379
04:38:03,210 --> 04:38:03,730
Post

3380
04:38:04,390 --> 04:38:08,290
Motion carries unanimously. So do you have the information me? Yes. Yes, sir. Thank you

3381
04:38:09,930 --> 04:38:17,110
Oh my goodness, that's the end of the regular agenda. Item 9, items of community interest

3382
04:38:17,110 --> 04:38:23,370
and council calendar, you have the council calendar attached to the back of something

3383
04:38:23,370 --> 04:38:27,570
or another. Oh, I think it's the back of this list here.

3384
04:38:30,190 --> 04:38:30,990
And in front of you,

3385
04:38:36,500 --> 04:38:37,740
I will advertise

3386
04:38:37,740 --> 04:38:46,600
As November 17th, Mr. Rianci's Intergovernmental Committee meeting, the guest speaker will

3387
04:38:46,600 --> 04:38:53,040
be Mr. Astralisky talking about Calle Station development plans and strategies, right?

3388
04:38:54,360 --> 04:38:54,540
Yes sir.

3389
04:38:54,840 --> 04:38:55,160
All of that?

3390
04:38:55,540 --> 04:38:55,760
Okay.

3391
04:38:56,780 --> 04:39:00,200
Any other comments on the items?

3392
04:39:00,400 --> 04:39:03,440
Notice that we meet on Monday the 24th.

3393
04:39:03,440 --> 04:39:07,580
If you don't already have that on your agenda, please make sure it's on there.

3394
04:39:07,580 --> 04:39:16,380
I believe that's a 4 o'clock meeting unless we decide in executive session that we need an earlier start.

3395
04:39:23,840 --> 04:39:35,480
I guess the only other item that I want to bring up here is to note the passing of one of our esteemed former mayors Gary Halter.

3396
04:39:35,880 --> 04:39:38,000
I think everybody is already aware of that.

3397
04:39:38,000 --> 04:39:46,760
That's tomorrow afternoon at 130 and 1207 Texas Avenue our event space over here will be a celebration of his life.

3398
04:39:47,240 --> 04:39:57,760
I hope that all of you will consider what Yuri has done for the city and if you're available you might want to attend that celebration.

3399
04:39:58,260 --> 04:40:05,600
I know the family would very much appreciate it and I think we have a different ways already express condolences to the family but I'll add mine.

3400
04:40:09,020 --> 04:40:17,380
and son both are along with their families are certainly thinking about Gary and all

3401
04:40:17,380 --> 04:40:22,320
if he has meant to them and certainly we remember what he's meant to the city so thank

3402
04:40:22,320 --> 04:40:30,620
you all and now move on to anybody else got anything for community input item 10 the council

3403
04:40:30,620 --> 04:40:32,280
reports on committee boards and commissions?

3404
04:40:36,900 --> 04:40:38,720
Okay, no updates there.

3405
04:40:39,460 --> 04:40:44,520
I would say I would say I attended a successful board meeting for the Art Center of the

3406
04:40:44,520 --> 04:40:48,000
Razzas Valley and we had a successful bike pet in Greenways advisory board meeting since

3407
04:40:48,000 --> 04:40:48,580
we last met.

3408
04:40:49,620 --> 04:40:57,000
And I guess I would add that internal committees, let's see, yesterday we had the compensation

3409
04:41:05,020 --> 04:41:11,240
We had a great discussion, looks like staff recommendation on which way to proceed was accepted by the subcommittee.

3410
04:41:11,820 --> 04:41:21,880
The full council be informed by the city manager what that issue was, nothing to lose any sleep over but had to be made before the end of the year.

3411
04:41:24,120 --> 04:41:29,320
Future agenda items, a review of standing list of council-generated future agenda items.

3412
04:41:31,480 --> 04:41:32,360
Mr. Wright.

3413
04:41:34,440 --> 04:41:39,800
To one of the things that we learned from TML that a different city does is they have

3414
04:41:39,800 --> 04:41:46,020
a state of the city address, and I'd like to explore an option of doing that.

3415
04:41:46,200 --> 04:41:51,460
I don't know if this needs to come back as a workshop or whatever, but I think sometime

3416
04:41:51,460 --> 04:42:00,260
time after strategic planning, maybe in March, to have a sort of open house where perhaps

3417
04:42:00,260 --> 04:42:05,080
departments can be here for citizens to ask questions and then after an hour or so of

3418
04:42:05,080 --> 04:42:09,580
open house we can have a state of a city address where we as council or the mayor can lay out

3419
04:42:09,580 --> 04:42:13,720
sort of what we learned as strategic planning and put it out for the citizens to hear as

3420
04:42:13,720 --> 04:42:20,180
a means of transportation and transparency sorry it's late and as a way to kind of lay

3421
04:42:20,180 --> 04:42:23,320
the groundwork for what we intend to do through the rest of the year.

3422
04:42:23,620 --> 04:42:26,500
So I don't know how that can come back if everyone's in a green so that's something we can

3423
04:42:26,500 --> 04:42:26,900
explore.

3424
04:42:28,380 --> 04:42:35,820
You're really speaking of an event beyond the published year in review or whatever it is

3425
04:42:35,820 --> 04:42:38,640
that CMO puts together.

3426
04:42:39,320 --> 04:42:43,300
There is already a publication that would be part of that I assume but you want to go

3427
04:42:43,300 --> 04:42:43,920
beyond that.

3428
04:42:45,280 --> 04:42:47,060
What does council think about that?

3429
04:42:47,140 --> 04:42:48,200
Do you want a future agenda item?

3430
04:42:48,920 --> 04:42:52,940
I don't know that can we we could probably outline it strategic planning or something?

3431
04:42:53,100 --> 04:42:56,860
I mean I don't do we need a whole agenda item for I'm sure I just didn't know

3432
04:42:56,860 --> 04:43:02,340
a better avenue to bring it up room yeah I mean we can certainly discuss I

3433
04:43:02,340 --> 04:43:06,360
mean that strategic planning we can come and staff and say here's kind of some

3434
04:43:06,360 --> 04:43:09,600
options and if you tell us bring it back that way we can or we can have a workshop

3435
04:43:09,600 --> 04:43:16,160
about it whatever you all want to do yes we just direct staff to come up with

3436
04:43:16,160 --> 04:43:20,280
And I plan on how to do that, but you're talking about an event beyond that.

3437
04:43:20,840 --> 04:43:26,360
And you communicate some of your ideas to them about what you think that event looks like.

3438
04:43:27,360 --> 04:43:29,100
Is that good enough direction?

3439
04:43:29,260 --> 04:43:33,860
And you can come back parts with some options and, right, thank you.

3440
04:43:35,200 --> 04:43:36,200
Yes, you have another?

3441
04:43:36,620 --> 04:43:42,700
Yes, you know, with tonight, the event of tonight was us looking at the Wyndham track.

3442
04:43:42,700 --> 04:44:00,940
I became aware that there is a allowance or is permitted by state law that we can require a supermajority vote of counsel to overturn a unanimous vote by PNZ.

3443
04:44:01,120 --> 04:44:09,320
So if they make a recommendation to deny something that is unanimous, it would then take a supermajority vote of counsel to overturn.

3444
04:44:09,320 --> 04:44:13,280
and I think our PNZ works really hard and does a lot of good work.

3445
04:44:14,200 --> 04:44:17,520
Are you suggesting that that is already state law?

3446
04:44:18,640 --> 04:44:23,280
State law permits municipalities to adopt that as a ordinance.

3447
04:44:25,710 --> 04:44:29,830
I would have to look specifically, but I know we have not adopted it.

3448
04:44:29,970 --> 04:44:31,590
I do believe it is an option.

3449
04:44:32,110 --> 04:44:36,830
Correct. I'm saying that I personally would like to see that come back as an ordinance

3450
04:44:36,830 --> 04:44:39,090
for us to review and hopefully approve.

3451
04:44:40,850 --> 04:44:42,590
Anybody else interested in that?

3452
04:44:47,700 --> 04:44:49,920
I generally like that idea and was accept

3453
04:44:50,880 --> 04:44:54,780
because of what you brought up during that discussion which is

3454
04:44:54,780 --> 04:44:57,260
we saw it as we pointed out a couple times earlier

3455
04:44:57,960 --> 04:44:59,760
things change a lot between

3456
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:29,820
And sometimes between P and Z and us, and you're not voting on the same thing. And I don't think that that's fair either. And it's part of it. So, I mean, there's nothing like investing a lot of good time, energy and effort and feeling like a test canary in the mine, just to see what changes need to be made before it moves forward. And we probably should wait to debate this. Yeah. And it comes back. I was going to say if you, if you would like to debate this, then we put an item one. It doesn't indicate whether council

3457
04:45:29,820 --> 04:45:34,560
is in support or against it but we could certainly bring back information and you all can discuss it.

3458
04:45:34,600 --> 04:45:37,040
I would second adding it to a future.

3459
04:45:37,440 --> 04:45:39,660
I see two people that want to have that.

3460
04:45:39,860 --> 04:45:42,060
I'm trying to add it in. I just want to talk about it.

3461
04:45:42,120 --> 04:45:44,060
I see three people that want to have that discussion.

3462
04:45:45,680 --> 04:45:50,180
Okay. We got a majority of the council members that want to have that discussion.

3463
04:45:51,000 --> 04:45:53,120
So we'll add that to the future agenda.

3464
04:45:53,120 --> 04:45:53,400
item.

3465
04:45:56,780 --> 04:46:01,320
I hesitate to ask for any more because I don't really want any more, but

3466
04:46:03,530 --> 04:46:06,950
we still

3467
04:46:06,950 --> 04:46:13,570
got an executive session to return to. Are there any further comments before we recess

3468
04:46:13,570 --> 04:46:20,410
the regular meeting and go back to the executive session? Seeing none, we are in recess until we

3469
04:46:20,410 --> 04:46:21,890
We return from executive session.