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[1:54] I'm gonna call the order of the college Township planning
[1:57] Commission meeting scheduled for July 21st.
[2:05] We do we have anybody on Zoom
[2:08] besides one of our members, Matt?
[2:14] - We do not,
[2:18] but our Zoom protocol typically asks
[2:20] that planning commission members keep their
[2:22] cameras on when speaking.
[2:24] So that's all.
[2:26] - Yeah. So Matt, when you have anything to say,
[2:28] just turn your camera on so we can see your smiling face
[2:32] and your broken leg and your broken leg and toes.
[2:38] Open discussion.
[2:40] Does anybody have anything from the audience of any items
[2:43] that aren't, are not on the agenda?
[2:48] I see none. So we'll move on to the Consent Agenda.
[2:52] The Consent Agenda is
[2:55] the minutes from our June 16th meeting,
[2:59] which are included in our packet.
[3:01] Hopefully everybody read those?
[3:05] Do I have a most, do I have anybody
[3:07] that has any questions concerning the minutes?
[3:13] If not, do I have a recommendation for approval?
[3:17] Make a motion to approve. Do I have a second? Second.
[3:20] All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed say the same.
[3:24] Okay. They are approved. Okay.
[3:29] The next thing on the agenda are plans.
[3:32] The first plan is Park Home Furniture at
[3:35] Shiloh Commercial Park.
[3:37] It's a preliminary final land development plan.
[3:41] And we have Who's here or, oh,
[3:45] - I'm here again.
[3:47] - Take it away. - Okay.
[3:49] Yes, I'm Mark Trudy with Penn Tier Engineering from and also
[3:54] and Pet Tier Engineering.
[3:55] And we just want to present the final land development plan
[4:00] for Park Home Furnishings.
[4:02] I think Sharon's gonna get it up on the screen
[4:04] here. I'm getting there.
[4:06] - Oh, are you doing it or you want
[4:07] me to do it? You want whichever.
[4:09] - But yeah, we, we presented this
[4:11] as a sketch plan oh back I think earlier,
[4:16] very earlier this year.
[4:18] And we've been through the process
[4:20] with the shallow commercial park subdivision
[4:23] and are now just, you know, creating the lot
[4:27] for the park on the furnishing store.
[4:29] And so this is pretty much the landed off the plan for that.
[4:35] I'll just go type a record plan
[4:39] or layout plan first.
[4:40] We can, we can touch base on that Lindsay.
[4:44] Yeah, this is, this is out shuttle commercial park.
[4:45] It'll be lot six from dozen last month.
[4:49] Phase two fiber subdivision plan.
[4:52] And this is from on phase
[4:56] two fiber subdivision.
[4:57] This was East TR road extension that comes up
[5:02] and curs around to a cul-de-sac.
[5:04] And the home to suite hotel is being built up in this corner
[5:08] of the side currently.
[5:10] And Park,
[5:12] park Home Furnishings a proposed in is like a 40,
[5:16] I think it's 40,800 square foot furniture showroom store.
[5:22] This really will not be a store that has like
[5:25] bringing stuff for delivery.
[5:26] This more just showrooms.
[5:28] And then Park Home Furniture has a warehouse that they
[5:31] get all of their, or bring all
[5:32] of their furniture deliveries from on here.
[5:38] This is in the commercial district.
[5:40] We're coming off of East TRO Road and
[5:45] whenever we present the sketch plan, we talked to staff
[5:47] and I think it was either the planning commission
[5:49] or the council meeting, the sketch plan about trying
[5:53] to work along with the form based Zoning.
[5:57] And rather than having all the parking out front, trying
[6:00] to push some of the parking to the back of the site.
[6:03] And because originally there were three double bay load
[6:07] double bays of parking in the front
[6:10] and the store was slid back further.
[6:12] So we worked with the staff with our client
[6:16] and put a bay of parking in the back
[6:20] in this area here.
[6:22] And also the required parking was about,
[6:28] was about 90 86.
[6:30] It was 86, 80 86.
[6:32] And, and we, the client didn't need to build that many,
[6:37] so we did a parking study basically just using the
[6:40] information from their other two stores that, you know,
[6:45] the average of those two, you know, was about
[6:48] needing 47 spaces, 48 spaces.
[6:51] But the, the highest store had about 60 spaces on here.
[6:56] But we are ending up with,
[7:01] I don't have the number here.
[7:02] I think it was 71 from 82 to 76. 76. Yeah.
[7:06] And those six spaces that
[7:09] even we aren't building now,
[7:12] but if they have to be built,
[7:13] we'll be back in this area here.
[7:16] There's a space provided for them.
[7:18] The back area, like the client could use that back here.
[7:21] Parking, there's a lot of employee parking back here.
[7:25] There is a customer pickup in the back of this area here
[7:29] and s some spaces back for them to go to walk in that area.
[7:34] The main entrance is, you know, right,
[7:37] right here at the store, at the front center of the store.
[7:41] And I'm trying to think what else to do
[7:45] that we looked at the staff that wanted
[7:47] to know about the circulation for trucks.
[7:50] If you want to go to that now we are looking at it,
[7:54] we still want to provide access for trucks
[7:56] and also with the trash facility in the back here.
[8:00] And Lindsay calls that up.
[8:02] That was an exhibit that we
[8:04] provided for staff of just
[8:08] so showing like for the, for the larger trucks,
[8:11] this is a loading dock area where they would come in here
[8:15] and then back in and then go back out
[8:19] and the, the parking area and,
[8:22] and always was sized for that.
[8:24] And also then for, for refuge refuse trucks, kind
[8:27] of the same thing of them being able to come
[8:29] through the site and they would pull in here
[8:32] and then just do a three point turn and back out and exit.
[8:35] So there is more than adequate amount of space
[8:38] for the truck circulation in there.
[8:40] Furniture stores don't really have a lot
[8:43] of parking on there.
[8:46] Like he may end up having some tent sales out front
[8:49] with some of the spaces in there,
[8:50] but it's, it's a very workable site.
[8:55] The stormwater for the site is going to,
[8:58] is it regional basin that's being reviewed
[9:02] and approved on the Clear site Ley Farms.
[9:07] We should be getting approval on that here very shortly
[9:10] and that's where the stormwater will be going from the
[9:13] site on there.
[9:15] And if you want to go,
[9:18] I mean just other things just be probably landscaping.
[9:21] Go over that briefly and I'll go that in the utilities
[9:24] and see if you have any questions.
[9:39] Yeah, just on the landscaping, there's,
[9:41] there's just typical parking bay requirements
[9:45] or park perimeter parking requirements for any
[9:49] of the parking spaces.
[9:50] And then there's s screening requirements for any
[9:54] of the spaces facing a public right of way,
[9:57] which we are doing here.
[9:59] You know, combination of shrubs and trees.
[10:03] This, this is a little bit more dense
[10:05] as per that requirement.
[10:07] And then hitting all the islands and,
[10:09] and also adding a little bit of screening in the back
[10:12] for the loading area
[10:14] and just back in that area just to,
[10:17] that's more of a service area.
[10:19] So you did wanna provide some screening there?
[10:22] Sidewalk access, A couple things to note,
[10:25] and this goes back to when we originally started the
[10:29] shallow commercial park.
[10:31] Original subdivision was staff ultimately wanted a
[10:34] connection to the premier theater site.
[10:38] And as we worked through different lots
[10:41] and this lot came on board and we looked at it and,
[10:46] and this one actually seems to work the best
[10:48] and gives a better location of closer
[10:51] to the theater entrance area, which is down this area
[10:56] of this sidewalk will go through to the entrance
[10:59] and also go down here to a set of steps
[11:02] and down to the property line.
[11:05] So if the connection is ever, you know, could be made
[11:08] to the theater site,
[11:10] we are also given a construction easement for
[11:13] that connection if that would ever need to be made
[11:16] with either the current theater owner if
[11:18] that property redevelops at some time.
[11:21] Could you go to the utility plan now?
[11:38] Okay. Maybe zoom in Tad if you could Yeah.
[11:42] - Go
[11:47] getting there.
[11:49] - Okay. Okay. Yeah, the, the mechanical room
[11:54] for the building is back in this corner.
[11:57] - There you go, mark. - Yeah, right there.
[11:59] And so we, we tried
[12:01] to get all the utilities back in that area.
[12:05] Right now there is a storm drain on the property line
[12:09] that basically take taking some of the offsite drainage
[12:12] and the drainage from this site on there.
[12:16] And then we are bringing the sanitary
[12:20] and then the, there's fire and domestic water service
[12:23] and gas service all along there.
[12:26] And so basically everything is five feet on center.
[12:30] By the time you look at the separations,
[12:31] there'll be somewhere around four feet
[12:33] or so between most of those utilities from,
[12:36] from the outer side, outer diameter of the pipe.
[12:40] And since we're doing that, we,
[12:42] we also could not get the electric back in this corner too.
[12:46] And we did talk to West Penn Power.
[12:48] There is an existing power line that runs back
[12:53] on the property here
[12:55] and they said it is feasible to come down off of
[12:59] that one pull here and go underground to a transformer
[13:03] and then bring that into the building.
[13:06] So we, we try to make as much room as possible trying
[13:11] to get the children's back to this corner
[13:13] and that involved, you know, bringing the electric from one
[13:16] of the existing pools In general.
[13:21] That's, you know, an overall summary.
[13:23] So if you have any questions, I'll be glad to answer them.
[13:28] - Tad, do you have any questions? I do not.
[13:32] Sa
[13:34] - I had was looking at the other park home facilities.
[13:39] They were all sort of one story. Yeah.
[13:41] So this one will have two stories, right? It's just one.
[13:44] - Well it is just show, it's be one story.
[13:46] Just the showrooms are all very large Right.
[13:50] Large ceilings and on.
[13:51] - Yeah. So is there gonna be two levels to the No,
[13:53] - I think it's only be one - Level.
[13:54] Yeah, it's gonna be just one. Yep.
[13:57] - Thank, no, no questions. I have one.
[14:03] Okay. This is gonna be out the side
[14:08] of the building's gonna face Shiloh?
[14:09] Yes. Is that correct? The front
[14:11] of the building's gonna face well, well
[14:15] - No, sorry.
[14:16] The, the front of the building's gonna face Shiloh.
[14:17] This is the front right here.
[14:18] - Okay. So it
[14:19] - Is, and actually what they wanted to do, I,
[14:22] I wish I had one of the Chicago commercial part, this
[14:26] entrance almost lines up
[14:28] with the East Trott Road intersection at, at Chicago Road.
[14:33] Visibility wise, they wanted that view in
[14:36] to the front of the store.
[14:38] - Okay. Alright. So that property,
[14:44] how geographically does is, is
[14:49] that higher than when
[14:51] because the drainage is gonna be back on the CLA farm?
[14:55] - Yeah, I mean, but this is still higher than the CLA farm.
[14:58] Okay. So yeah, all this is higher.
[15:00] - So basically all the storm water's gonna run
[15:03] away from child
[15:05] - Yes.
[15:06] - Towards Claire. - Yeah.
[15:07] I mean for, for this subdivision,
[15:10] all the drainage is coming down
[15:12] and either going down, what is Kelly Lane
[15:16] or there's a backside on the north side of the hotel
[15:20] going cross lot
[15:22] and those would then go down
[15:24] through the clear, clear property.
[15:26] All this is above, above the clear property. Okay.
[15:29] So everything and then church property is
[15:30] above this property so they, it's kind of tiered down.
[15:33] Alright.
[15:35] - Okay. That's the only question I have.
[15:37] Everything else looks fine. I don't have any questions.
[15:42] Do you have anything Matt? He said no. Okay.
[15:47] Alright, staff, do you have any comments?
[15:51] - We reviewed the plan and went through the comments.
[15:54] Feels like all of the comments are
[15:56] fairly satisfied at this point.
[15:58] Just the basics that we typically have outstanding prior
[16:01] to recommending approval.
[16:03] - Okay. My other comment is,
[16:07] do we need to include in the recommendation?
[16:14] 'cause it looks as though 82 parking spaces are required.
[16:18] - Yeah, that's a really good question. The,
[16:21] - Now they have a proposal that they would increase
[16:24] 2 82 if needed,
[16:28] but they're only gonna build 76.
[16:31] - It's, it's written into our Ordinance
[16:34] that you may put less parking.
[16:36] I guess it wouldn't hurt to, to say yeah,
[16:38] approve the reduced parking.
[16:41] Okay. They can reduce the parking, but as Mr.
[16:43] Torretti pointed out, they have re reserved a space.
[16:46] Should those, should those park parking spaces be needed?
[16:50] They have the place reserved to put them in. Okay.
[16:53] They just do not think they
[16:55] need them and they don't want to. Okay,
[16:56] - I just want to clarify that
[16:58] to make sure we're not missing anything in the approval.
[17:01] - Yeah, there it's, they're increase
[17:03] or they're decreasing parking by less than 10%.
[17:05] Okay. And there's a, a statement in the Ordinance
[17:08] that allows that to happen.
[17:09] Okay. But just to be on the safe side, it would be okay to
[17:14] recommend approval of that request.
[17:15] Okay.
[17:17] - Do I have anybody that wants to make
[17:20] a motion for approval?
[17:26] I'll make a motion for approval all. Do I have a second?
[17:31] I'll second it. Okay. We need to make that note though. Yep.
[17:36] Do you have all I like
[17:40] to note this one.
[17:42] - Okay. - You read all that crap. Okay.
[17:47] So Clark Township planning
[17:48] - Commission meeting today is
[17:51] July 21st, 2026.
[17:55] I move to recommend to counsel to approve
[17:58] the park home furniture at Shiloh Commercial Park.
[18:01] Preliminary slash final land development plan dated
[18:04] June 22nd, 2026
[18:07] and last revised July 13th, 2026.
[18:11] Subject to the following conditions.
[18:13] Number one, within 90 days from the date of approval
[18:17] by counsel, all conditions must be satisfied.
[18:20] Final signatures must be obtained
[18:22] and the plan must be recorded
[18:23] with its Centre County Recorder of deeds office.
[18:26] Failure to meet the 90 day recordation time requirement will
[18:30] render the plan null and void.
[18:32] Number two, pay all outstanding review fees.
[18:36] Number three, address to dissatisfaction
[18:38] of the Township engineer any outstanding plan
[18:41] review from staff.
[18:43] Number four, fully comply
[18:45] with the college Township code section 180 dash 12
[18:49] Number five, post as approved
[18:51] by the Township engineer prior to recording.
[18:55] Number six, record approved declaration of stormwater access
[18:58] and maintenance easement prior to recording.
[19:02] Number seven, provide proof
[19:04] of national pollutant discharge elimination system approval.
[19:07] Number eight, provide intent
[19:10] to serve letter from university area joint authority.
[19:13] Number nine, provide intent
[19:15] to serve letter from College Township water authority.
[19:17] Number 10, provide evidence
[19:20] of exemption from sewage planning.
[19:22] Number 11, work with the College Township Zoning officer
[19:26] and Centre County 9 1 1
[19:28] to establish proper addressing prior to recording.
[19:32] Number 12, record the Shiloh Park,
[19:34] the Shiloh Commercial Park phase two final subdivision plan
[19:37] prior to recording number 13.
[19:40] - Number 13 will be
[19:47] allow parking to be reduced
[19:52] to 76 spaces versus 82
[19:57] since the plan has
[20:01] reserved an area for the six additional parking spaces.
[20:06] - Great. And number 14,
[20:08] all conditions must be accepted in writing within seven days
[20:11] from the date of the conditional approval letter
[20:14] from the Township engineer.
[20:17] I'll take a vote. All those in favor?
[20:19] - All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed?
[20:25] You got an approval. Thank you. Thank you.
[20:30] You get 13. Got it. Okay, good. Thank you.
[20:36] Okay. Okay,
[20:39] the next thing on the agenda is Oak Hall Equestrian
[20:44] facility land development.
[20:48] This is preliminary final land
[20:53] development plan dated
[20:56] June 22nd, 2026 revised
[20:59] July 13th, 2026.
[21:03] And Mark, are you up again? Yeah, you're a busy man tonight.
[21:09] Okay. We'll let you go and then we will have questions.
[21:14] - Okay. I guess, Linda, can you get back
[21:15] to the overall plan first
[21:17] and then we'll, we'll start then we'll get to this one.
[21:20] Just don't do the context.
[21:22] Yeah, this property is on
[21:28] road on the, it's out in the suburbs of Will call right
[21:33] before the quarry there.
[21:34] And it's along,
[21:37] basically the quarry property is right up here.
[21:40] This is the sharp curve that goes around it.
[21:45] And I think this used
[21:48] to be a veterinarian's office at one time.
[21:50] That property back there, if I recall, you know,
[21:52] before it was bought, sold a few years ago.
[21:55] Anyways, right now
[22:00] the property owner does have forces.
[22:03] He does have an outdoor equestrian re key.
[22:08] Then if you want to zoom in, Lindsay,
[22:09] see show must be proposed
[22:14] is and oh, both
[22:19] for road is out here.
[22:20] That on the right side of the screen here,
[22:23] this is coming off the driveways.
[22:26] This is the house that's there.
[22:28] There is a shed
[22:30] and there is a barn right here.
[22:34] And what they're proposing is a indoor riding rink.
[22:39] It's a bank bond, it's gonna be tucked into the bank,
[22:42] you know, half of it's gonna be tucked in.
[22:44] Is that sloping sea sloping up pretty
[22:46] steep in that area there.
[22:48] And they want to build a interior riding rink in that area.
[22:56] All this really they're doing there is the
[23:02] providing storm water management.
[23:03] If gonna go to the next page, the, the right rate,
[23:06] that boat is about almost 1000 square feet.
[23:10] That, and so
[23:14] they have some underground stormwater facilities
[23:19] right in this area.
[23:20] And they also have a underground
[23:25] system right here too.
[23:27] And what they want to do, this is a nice yard area
[23:30] for the house.
[23:32] They didn't wanna, they turn this into a basin, so they are,
[23:37] they, it's more expensive,
[23:38] but they wanted to pretty much just put the,
[23:42] put storm water underground where they could instead
[23:46] and, and do that.
[23:49] Other than that, the only other thing that's really
[23:53] being required is asking for a sidewalk easement.
[23:56] And so maybe Lindsay did some analysis of that
[24:00] and she can probably talk about the rating
[24:03] for this more than what I can, so,
[24:07] - Sure.
[24:08] So, you know, we have a sidewalk matrix that we use to
[24:12] score the priority of a sidewalk.
[24:16] This one on the list of, I think it can go up to
[24:20] - Seven and less.
[24:22] - Well, so, but what does the score go up to? 18. Oh,
[24:26] - The score itself, right?
[24:27] - Yeah, so it can go up to about 20, this scored to four.
[24:32] Okay. That there is a,
[24:36] there is a recommendation in the pedestrian facilities
[24:39] master plan for determining whether
[24:42] or not a project is feasible financially.
[24:46] And the, the rating doesn't, the, the rating
[24:50] of Ford doesn't really apply even to that formula.
[24:54] So we are, and since it's outside of the growth boundary
[24:58] there, it's not connecting any transit facilities.
[25:01] It's not connecting to any existing facilities
[25:04] or any unserved neighborhoods
[25:06] or shown as a reservation on our official
[25:09] map or anything like that.
[25:11] We are recom the staff is okay with the request
[25:15] to waive the sidewalk.
[25:17] - And - Then if you had to go back to the overall plan
[25:20] with this location would be right
[25:25] along this steep curve.
[25:26] This, this slope comes up immediately from the roadway.
[25:30] And also there is a bridge there that ultimately have
[25:34] to be crossed and it is not pedestrian friendly.
[25:39] Also this mil race right here.
[25:41] And so if you had to put it here, you, you end up probably
[25:44] with like a 10 foot high retaining wall along most of
[25:47] that area to put it right in there.
[25:50] And there are no sidewalks anywhere else.
[25:53] And like I said, there's an existing bridge right here.
[25:55] The quarry is right beyond here, the oak call quarry.
[25:58] So not in a good location and,
[26:01] and per the rating, you know,
[26:04] we we're requesting consideration for that waiver.
[26:09] - Ted, do you have any questions? I was just
[26:14] curious though, that's Spring Creek.
[26:16] Is that Spring Creek going through there or is that
[26:20] - Right now this has just been no race,
[26:22] I think Spring Creek.
[26:26] - So I spring creek's on the other side of the road.
[26:28] The other side. Okay. So the, I have actually
[26:32] Joe Humphrey's house is right there.
[26:34] - Yeah, exactly. And his was down at back
[26:36] - And I'm a friend with his daughters
[26:38] and I was just curious how will
[26:40] that have any impact on the stream? It looks
[26:43] - Like the storm water major's being pretty well
[26:45] considered on the ground storage
[26:47] - Storm waters down the, the, the house or the barn
[26:50] and the indoor riding stable,
[26:52] it's being built into the slope.
[26:54] So it isn't like they're grading, trying
[26:56] to grade a flat site on a steep, on a steep slope.
[26:59] So they're working with the site there.
[27:01] Try to minimize as much of disturbance as they can for that.
[27:05] And, and don't, don't have to be ENS controls as needed
[27:10] for, for that.
[27:12] But other than that, everything else would be in controlled.
[27:16] There'll be risk controls for, for that grading,
[27:19] but it's going back into the slope there.
[27:21] So probably just be hitting rock
[27:23] and trying to get, get through the rock in
[27:25] that area is what I'm assuming.
[27:28] - Okay, thank you. So,
[27:32] - So I have some mixed opinions on this.
[27:34] Yeah, I I, I disagree with my colleagues on the need
[27:37] for sidewalk there.
[27:38] I do believe this area is becoming more
[27:43] traversed by non vehicle pedestrians, particularly
[27:48] cycling enthusiasts.
[27:50] I have also seen, 'cause I I live very close.
[27:52] Well you and I we're neighbors, so you know, this area
[27:55] I have increasingly seen people,
[27:58] younger people especially on foot in and around that area.
[28:01] I mean this high school is not too far from there.
[28:04] I guess some people are going there for exercise or whatnot.
[28:08] I had, you know, sort
[28:10] of contemplated running that road myself.
[28:12] Right. So it's a, it is a geographically,
[28:17] I I understand that it is, you know,
[28:22] not an easy, it's, it is a very severe curve.
[28:24] It's, it can give you whiplash even if you try driving more
[28:27] than 25 miles per hours on it.
[28:29] Right. So I understand that the technical challenges of it,
[28:33] but I dispute the idea
[28:34] that it's not being used in a pedestrians
[28:37] by pedestrians going through that area.
[28:40] I see it all the time and you know, like there's
[28:41] that house up there with the school bus
[28:43] and there's kids coming up
[28:45] and down that road all the time now.
[28:47] So I, I don't know, I'm just gonna, I just,
[28:49] I anecdotally I'm gonna dispute
[28:51] - That.
[28:52] Okay. Yeah. Peggy, no, I, I don't,
[28:57] I don't have anything, any questions.
[28:58] Okay. No. Okay. I have some questions on the storm water.
[29:03] - Okay. - Okay.
[29:05] If you take a look at page two
[29:09] of the plan
[29:14] or if we go to, yeah,
[29:19] I'm just gonna use page two of the plan.
[29:21] Okay. And look at where the
[29:26] bank form is supposed to go.
[29:30] You have a, it goes from 1100 feet
[29:35] all the way down to about
[29:39] say 10 60.
[29:41] So that's about a 40 foot drop in breed.
[29:44] - Yeah. - Which means all the water comes down the hill.
[29:48] - Yeah. - Okay.
[29:50] Which means it can go either all the way down the hill,
[29:54] across the street, into the creek,
[29:57] into the properties on the other side of the street.
[30:02] The detention pond. That's gonna be underground.
[30:07] - Yeah. - Okay. Slow release.
[30:10] - Yeah. It, it basically will be infiltrating
[30:13] to the ground. Yes. Okay.
[30:15] - Now does it catch and is it a catch and then release or?
[30:22] - I'd probably have to check it there.
[30:24] I I think it's in, it's an infiltration base
[30:26] and I mean if an underground
[30:28] that it'd be going into the ground and,
[30:30] but it's also holding it, it has pipes that
[30:34] - It it does infiltration and detention.
[30:36] - Yeah, - Exactly. Okay. So it's gonna be slow release.
[30:40] Yeah. Okay.
[30:41] Not and okay, also the piping coming down,
[30:46] is that a lane that's gonna go up there where
[30:48] that other piping is? Yeah,
[30:49] - Yeah.
[30:50] I I If you could go go to that stormwater plant that
[30:54] the gradient plan, I think that's five.
[31:02] - Okay, - Next one, five.
[31:05] - Yeah, there - We go.
[31:12] - So that's also gonna catch water coming down this. Yeah,
[31:15] - We have a swale around that goes down,
[31:17] there's an inlet here
[31:20] and that's gonna catch the water there.
[31:24] The roof system and all the roof drains
[31:29] are going to go down into
[31:33] - The, the catch basin - There. Yep.
[31:36] - And the trench does that, where does that go?
[31:40] - That's the same thing.
[31:41] That's basically as a infiltration trench.
[31:45] Ultimately the release from these,
[31:47] like a basin has an outlet structure.
[31:50] The release from these goes down
[31:54] right here, I think along the right of way if I recall,
[31:57] but Right, right there is where the outlet structure is.
[32:01] - Okay. So, alright.
[32:03] - So they, it is like a storm water.
[32:06] I can, a basin has a outlet structure to infiltrates,
[32:10] but when it gets too high, that is the area
[32:14] that it can get released.
[32:16] And that is the same thing here to here to there. Okay.
[32:20] And there and there's existing square in that area. Alright.
[32:26] - Alright. And we still,
[32:31] that hasn't been approved yet
[32:32] or does that to go through the,
[32:34] what code does that to go through Donna?
[32:37] - The storm water? Yeah, it'll, it, it'll be an NPDS as well
[32:41] as an ENS plan.
[32:42] - Okay. So basically we still have to get proof of evidence
[32:47] that the EENS is approved by Conservation District yet.
[32:52] - Correct. That they're usually months behind.
[32:55] - And the stormwater access
[32:57] and maintenance agreement, we don't
[32:59] have approval for that yet.
[33:01] - No, we, we pretty much wait till Stormwater's approved
[33:04] because, so we get the latest plan
[33:07] is attached to the agreement.
[33:08] - Okay. So we still have those
[33:10] - Approvals yet.
[33:11] Yeah, that's typical.
[33:12] - Okay. Alright.
[33:15] Does anybody in the audience have any questions? Mr. Chair?
[33:19] Don't forget Matt. Oh, Matt, do you have anything?
[33:23] No, I'm good, thank you. All right. He's on drugs. Okay.
[33:27] - I - Do. Okay. Could you come to the podium,
[33:29] state your name and then
[33:33] raise any questions you may have. Okay,
[33:35] - Thank you.
[33:41] - Alright. My name is Gail Biddle
[33:43] and I own the farm next across their lane
[33:48] that the Sahakian property.
[33:51] My concern of course is the water runoff.
[33:57] Well we've lived, we are a generational family living
[34:01] on our family farm.
[34:03] And so for years when Ralph Neff would've been one
[34:07] of the original owners we were, we used
[34:09] to help him farm the farm.
[34:11] And we're very familiar with
[34:12] how steep the grade is on that road.
[34:17] So it's very concerning.
[34:19] And then when you take all those trees away,
[34:23] now you've got this space
[34:26] for water to just run.
[34:30] And I realize you were discussing the plan
[34:33] to hold everything in place, but it's still a big concern.
[34:39] I am Joe Humphrey's niece, so I'm very concerned
[34:43] for his property.
[34:46] And of course Spring Creek growing up with my Uncle Joe.
[34:51] Spring Creek's a very important part of our life.
[34:55] And we live in the stone house next to him.
[34:58] And so the creek runs behind.
[35:00] So as it is a very important part of our life.
[35:04] So that's a very big concern.
[35:07] What could runoff could go into the crick
[35:10] because on the other side of that hill next
[35:15] to the quarry, it borders the crick their property.
[35:19] So, you know, is the changing of
[35:24] that whole side hill
[35:25] and the top is that going to also change some water flow
[35:30] coming down on the other side into the prick?
[35:35] So that is a concern.
[35:38] And also down along,
[35:44] I guess it would be their, their road.
[35:48] But when that, where that steep road is,
[35:52] it comes down off the hill, well that was,
[35:54] that will run right into the corner of my property.
[35:57] So I'm concerned about that runoff coming into my field.
[36:00] Okay. And so that's a big concern.
[36:06] I would certainly wanna be assured that that was addressed
[36:09] and would not be a problem for me.
[36:13] - Okay. - Okay.
[36:15] - Thank you Don. Do we have our Township engineer here
[36:19] and they've been talking with the engineer so
[36:24] - Well Yeah, the assistant engineer
[36:25] has reviewed the storm water.
[36:27] He feels it, it meets the requirements.
[36:29] It still is going through DEP review
[36:33] and whether they come up with any new comments or not,
[36:38] but I mean, the way the project is designed,
[36:42] it is supposed to take care of that.
[36:44] - Okay. - Like says, I'll go back
[36:47] and since I, I'm not as familiar with it is
[36:51] the person worked work on.
[36:53] But actually your may I just check to make sure ultimately
[36:57] that the driver, like you said, that that does come down
[36:59] and we do catch that water coming
[37:02] - Down because it's right on the corner of my property
[37:04] and it's, it's, it's a perfect,
[37:06] it's the perfect thing to Yeah,
[37:07] - Right under my field.
[37:09] I know we, we do have inlet there from the,
[37:11] from the under storm.
[37:12] Our system just gotta make sure that
[37:14] that captures everything going down.
[37:17] Right. We have to sum that a little bit lower
[37:21] to caught with great elevation.
[37:23] - And my other questions, is the barn, is
[37:25] that gonna have horse stalls or is an indoor rising
[37:28] - Ring?
[37:29] It is in the riding lane. Okay.
[37:31] - So there'll be, there won't be no stalls in it,
[37:33] it's just gonna be an indoor riding, is that correct? And
[37:36] - Then there's doors, like overhead doors all
[37:38] along this side here? Yeah.
[37:41] - Okay. - And it's not gonna be open
[37:43] to the public either. No's
[37:44] - Private.
[37:45] - It's private. - Private. Okay. Great. Thank you.
[37:50] - Yep, you're welcome. Okay.
[37:56] Since this is a preliminary file
[38:01] and you've heard all the concerns
[38:03] and all that, do I have a recommendation for approval?
[38:11] Anybody wanna volunteer?
[38:16] Probably once or twice.
[38:18] - Could we, could, could it be postponed for the addressing
[38:22] of these concerns before it comes for approval again?
[38:26] - Well, basically the stormwater DEP has to come back
[38:31] and in our recommendation here, there has to be an approval
[38:35] and evidence
[38:37] that all the stormwater management has been approved by DEP.
[38:42] Okay. Also, the ENS control has
[38:45] to be approved by the conservation.
[38:47] If they don't get those approvals,
[38:49] then our approval goes away. Isn't that correct?
[38:53] - Right. - So basically the concerns that were voiced here
[38:59] are now being worked on.
[39:01] If there's comments from DEP
[39:03] or anything else, then the develop the developer
[39:08] or the engineers for the property owner would have
[39:11] to make the necessary changes to the plan.
[39:15] The plan would've to come back in for approval.
[39:18] 'cause that would be either a minor or major.
[39:21] - Yeah, depend, depending on the nature of the any changes,
[39:24] it could be a major,
[39:26] but it would, if it is, I think, you know,
[39:28] we're comfortable enough to say
[39:30] that we've addressed those comments or, or those concerns.
[39:34] Those are the kind of concerns we look at
[39:36] when we're doing the review.
[39:39] But sometimes things come up we we're not aware of.
[39:47] - Do we want to table this
[39:49] or do you want to make an approval?
[39:54] I'm asking the committee. Matt, do you have any
[39:58] - Opinion on that?
[39:59] No, I, I'd be, well I'd be willing to make an approval,
[40:01] but I don't have the, I mean, to make a motion for approval.
[40:04] I just don't have the sheet.
[40:05] So, and somebody allowed to read it in my place.
[40:09] - Okay. Do I have a second to what Matt's saying?
[40:15] I have a second from Peggy. Okay. Matt. I'll read it.
[40:19] - Thank you. - Okay.
[40:22] This is from College Township Planning Commission dated
[40:27] July 21st, 2026.
[40:31] Motion by Matt, seconded by Peggy.
[40:34] Recommend to counsel for approval.
[40:38] The the oak call at Christian Facility
[40:43] Planning or preliminary final land development plan dated
[40:46] June, 2226,
[40:49] last revised July 13th, 26.
[40:52] Subject to the following conditions,
[40:55] within 90 days from the date of approval by counsel,
[40:58] all conditions must be satisfied.
[41:00] Final signatures must be obtained, plan must be recorded
[41:03] with the Centre County Recorder of deeds.
[41:06] Failure to meet the 90 day
[41:08] recording time requirement will render a plan
[41:11] and all void, pay all outstanding review fees, address
[41:15] to the satisfaction of the Township engineer
[41:18] any outstanding plan.
[41:19] Review comments from staff fully comply
[41:23] with the college Township.
[41:24] Section code section 180 dash 12 post shorty
[41:29] as approved by the Township engineer prior to recording.
[41:32] Record approved declaration of stormwater access
[41:36] and maintenance easement prior to recording the plan.
[41:41] Provide evidence of the erosion
[41:44] and sediment control consistent from
[41:48] consistency from the
[41:51] Centre County Con Conservation District.
[41:56] Recommend to counsel Okay.
[42:00] Approval of the Sidewalk Waiver recommended by staff.
[42:05] All conditions must be accepted in writing within seven days
[42:08] from the date of the conditional approval letter from
[42:11] the Township engineer.
[42:15] Okay, that's the motion on the table.
[42:19] All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye.
[42:22] Aye. All opposed?
[42:25] - Aye. - Okay. The votes four to one.
[42:27] It's approved as of this point.
[42:36] - Thank you. - Yep, you're welcome. Thank you.
[42:47] Okay, the next thing on the agenda is a
[42:52] minor re revision
[42:54] to a preliminary final land development plan
[42:58] for the Villages villas at Happy Valley.
[43:02] Do I have anybody here that are, is going to
[43:07] outline this preliminary revision?
[43:10] - Yeah, I can start off
[43:12] but Theo Wing is here to
[43:15] provide you more information.
[43:17] This is a minor plan.
[43:19] Typically the planning commission doesn't see minor plans,
[43:22] but if there is a reason that staff feels
[43:24] that it should come in front of planning commission
[43:26] or counsel, the Zoning officer can use his discretion
[43:30] and bring that in front of you.
[43:31] Okay. So that's where we are tonight. So
[43:42] - Did you wanna state your name and
[43:43] - Yeah.
[43:44] P ku I am, I'm working with this,
[43:49] my own consulting company called las
[43:53] and I'm working as well with ha Baker engineers who prepared
[43:58] to plan and with Alter,
[44:02] which is a landscape contracting company.
[44:04] And then of course the owners.
[44:07] So should I go ahead and grab this?
[44:08] - Yeah, - This is just
[44:12] the existing plan.
[44:15] If you, the first page here,
[44:19] - Lemme get the full screen.
[44:20] - Yes sir. Okay.
[44:22] - So there's an existing plan
[44:24] that's recorded at the courthouse.
[44:26] And we have a small section of this property
[44:29] that the owners want to put in a pickleball court, a patio,
[44:33] a pergola, and a drill and a fire pit.
[44:38] So if you go down to the next page,
[44:43] so the, the area, there's a volley sand
[44:45] volleyball court here currently.
[44:48] So they want to basically put the pickleball court in
[44:51] this general location.
[44:53] It's on the corner of, I believe this is driverless.
[44:56] There's a car dealership across the road
[45:01] and then there's a neighborhood on the backside here.
[45:03] And then these are just, this is the existing facility
[45:07] that's already there, that's already
[45:09] been recorded at the courthouse.
[45:11] You go to the next page.
[45:15] So the owners want to put in a,
[45:21] a court, a single court, they want
[45:23] to have a walkway coming from the, the parking lot
[45:27] and a pa a patio here.
[45:29] It's stamped concrete. This is the pergola.
[45:33] It's, I believe it's, I wanna say it's in
[45:37] that view.
[45:39] It looks like it's about, I wanna say 12 by 12.
[45:44] And this has, this will be submitted for the
[45:48] building permit if we get approval for you guys.
[45:51] And then this is the stone fire pit
[45:55] and then there's some grills here.
[45:57] There's pretty fairly minimal grading coming down.
[46:01] So you can see the existing contours kind of and light.
[46:04] Great. Come here. So we're just basically putting some small
[46:07] swales next to it, A
[46:09] little a catch area.
[46:13] The drain that then drains water comes off
[46:16] of here in the court through this small trench area
[46:21] that then flows down
[46:22] and kind of say drains to the surface
[46:27] and then into the inlet.
[46:30] There's a detention basin kind of up above here
[46:34] that's existing that the water will mostly drain into
[46:39] besides the, you know, whatever infiltrates.
[46:43] And then the, for retaining,
[46:45] the only thing we really have here is these limestone
[46:46] boulders, which also also act as seating.
[46:50] There's a, a chain link fence around it
[46:54] and some more seating.
[46:56] So that's pretty much the extent of it.
[46:58] The, the engineers, I don't know if
[47:02] anyone from Hall Baker's on the line or not.
[47:05] Let's see. No, no. Okay.
[47:07] They did all the stormwater calcs to make sure
[47:10] that it wasn't gonna add too much to the basins.
[47:12] And I think they already submitted it
[47:15] to you guys for review.
[47:17] I don't know if we have any. I haven't
[47:18] seen, I think Jerry did. Oh, okay.
[47:20] - And the plan's been under review.
[47:22] Our comments are due, I believe next Friday. Yeah.
[47:24] So you'll receive those.
[47:26] But yeah, the storm water is currently being reviewed.
[47:29] - Okay. So that's about the extent of it.
[47:35] I don't know. Okay.
[47:36] - You got questions? So, so basically this is just
[47:40] to take the volleyball courts out that aren't used,
[47:45] put in a pickleball court, put in a patio, put in a fire pit
[47:50] and put some sidewalks from the existing
[47:55] apartments or townhouses to get there.
[47:59] And there will be some catch basins
[48:02] and then drainage back to the detention pond.
[48:06] And once you guys look at the plans
[48:10] and also everything else, then that's up
[48:13] to staff where you could do the
[48:15] - Approval.
[48:16] Yes.
[48:17] - Does anybody have any questions on that?
[48:20] It just came to our attention
[48:22] to make sure we know what's going on
[48:25] and really there's nothing for us to approve here
[48:29] 'cause it's, we've been staff's prerogative to approve.
[48:33] - Exactly. We're just bringing it to your attention
[48:37] and we're looking for input.
[48:40] Our next step will be to
[48:44] post the property
[48:47] and that will allow the residents to be notified of the plan
[48:52] because it's a minor, we don't typically require that.
[48:56] But you know, as per discussions we had at the staff level,
[48:59] that was the way forward recommended. So,
[49:03] - And basically the villas surrounds the pickleball courts,
[49:08] if I remember the geographics
[49:10] - E the two, what is the development?
[49:13] - There's a, there's a development. What is that?
[49:17] If you're looking at that to the immediate left of the, the
[49:22] proposed pickleball court that runs into residential.
[49:25] - Okay. Just - Down here if it's appropriate.
[49:29] I don't know if I could ask Mr.
[49:30] Twang, if you could maybe describe
[49:34] to the planning commission a little bit of what you plan
[49:38] to do to sort of shield this help with the sound issues
[49:42] and the site issues.
[49:45] That's, that's generally the reason
[49:48] because pickleball is getting a bad rap
[49:51] around the US right now.
[49:52] Yeah. So that's why we wanted
[49:55] to get the planning commission's eyes on this as well, just
[49:59] to see if they had any other suggestions.
[50:00] But be appreciated.
[50:02] If you could explain it, you know,
[50:04] nothing's showing in this plan,
[50:05] but explain what you intend to do
[50:07] to help mitigate potential issues.
[50:09] - Yeah, I think that the main concern is the noise.
[50:13] Typically,
[50:18] you know, I don't, I'm not a hundred percent sure of the
[50:20] plant things themselves with an evergreen screen would,
[50:25] it would more scatter the sound.
[50:28] I would say maybe not reduce the, the, the decibels,
[50:32] but we would be happy, you know, to put in a,
[50:36] an evergreen screen if that's something that you guys
[50:39] - Want.
[50:40] Yeah. Because the plan doesn't show any screening.
[50:42] The plan doesn't show like a, that shows a fence
[50:46] but there's no screening on the fence to in, to
[50:51] dampen the sound once it's posted.
[50:55] I'm sure you that the other neighbors are gonna probably
[50:58] say, you know, sound isn't going to be,
[51:02] there's no lighting on this.
[51:03] Right. Yeah. Okay. So it's gonna be day use only. Yes.
[51:07] So basically I think the sound
[51:09] and the noise is going to be what's brought up.
[51:12] So there may be shielding or,
[51:16] or something that you may get at a later approval
[51:21] as a minor from staff.
[51:25] - Are, are those adjacent buildings and residential?
[51:28] Are they, how many stories are those?
[51:32] - Three, - Two or three? They have two. The
[51:34] - Neighborhood next door.
[51:36] Yeah. Yeah. There's single family homes.
[51:37] - Single family. Yeah. - Oh, that way, okay. Yeah,
[51:40] - Because the is - The ones, I'm sorry,
[51:43] the ones over here are two stories though.
[51:44] Like these are two stories at tenant that are here. Yeah,
[51:46] - The sound is gonna travel up.
[51:48] Yeah. Right. So the people, the higher you are,
[51:51] the louder it's gonna get up.
[51:52] - So we did, if you recall the,
[51:57] the country club plan when they were proposing pickleball
[52:01] courts, the council thought about
[52:04] or we believe we did send to the Borough
[52:07] some mitigation efforts that they could consider when
[52:11] that goes in on their end.
[52:12] Since we've reviewed the plan concurrently with the Borough.
[52:15] So with the response letter, we're gonna add a few
[52:18] of those suggestions in.
[52:19] - Okay. Could the pickleball court be moved like within this
[52:24] like not, 'cause right now is it a one for one kind
[52:27] of just transfer from the cent volleyball courts?
[52:31] So could it, could it be sort of considered
[52:33] to possibly move a little further away since
[52:36] you have that location? Or maybe
[52:38] - There's not a lot of room there. I
[52:40] - Know, I know.
[52:41] It's just like how tight?
[52:42] Yeah, because the way it is right now,
[52:43] I mean like if you look at it, it's like right there
[52:45] that's like almost like a sound chamber kind like a,
[52:48] - I mean if you go up
[52:50] and look at where the volleyball occurred is now, okay,
[52:54] it's right there.
[52:56] There's no room to move it left right
[53:00] front or back.
[53:02] It's almost like a replacement.
[53:04] And it's not a hundred percent replacement volleyball court
[53:08] because they're also gonna put a patio and a fire pit in.
[53:12] So it's really a new use of land
[53:16] that's not being utilized
[53:18] - Basically.
[53:19] I mean from visiting there it looks like it's mostly used
[53:22] for like kids that go like play with the sand.
[53:25] Yeah. The next tennis.
[53:27] But I, I don't know, I'm not watching it all the time.
[53:29] But yes, we, the one thing we did change was the rotation.
[53:34] 'cause the volleyball courts were like this, which you would
[53:37] technically be staring this, this is north
[53:40] so you'd be staring into the sunset.
[53:42] So we wanted to rotate a little bit
[53:45] and that kind of helps direct the sound.
[53:48] Most of the sound's gonna be traveling like this typically
[53:52] 'cause you hit the paddle that way or that way.
[53:54] So it's gonna be going up here or down there.
[53:56] Mostly I think that we'll say
[54:01] the homes are kind
[54:02] of like more in this general area over here.
[54:05] And then of course you have these, the tenants there. If
[54:09] - You have, if you see Burnell Park,
[54:11] the pickleball courts there,
[54:12] the gates are just a suggestion.
[54:14] Take a look at what they do at Burnell Park.
[54:16] The, they're very, very tall gates
[54:19] with padding. Shout out.
[54:22] - That's one of the recommendations in
[54:24] the mitigation factors.
[54:25] Yeah. With the planning commission states tonight.
[54:28] We'll put in our comment letter. Okay.
[54:30] - Yeah. - I actually have a couple questions.
[54:33] - Go ahead. - First of all,
[54:35] is there gonna be any time limits Is the, when did the,
[54:40] that court can be used?
[54:42] I mean I look pretty close to, you know,
[54:43] to Dale view pickleball court sometimes people are out there
[54:46] at seven o'clock in the morning.
[54:49] - Yeah, I think we would, we would basically try
[54:51] to follow whatever is recommended in your noise Ordinance.
[54:55] I think it's like maybe nine to
[54:59] eight or something like that.
[55:00] Post it on the, go ahead
[55:03] and post that on, on the signage, on the pickleball court
[55:06] and talk with the owners
[55:08] and the operators there to manage that.
[55:11] And then we're gonna put in posts that use
[55:16] the paddles, soft paddles
[55:18] and the soft balls to try to reduce the decibel levels.
[55:23] I don't know if there's anyone that's gonna be out there en
[55:25] forcing it, but it, it'll be posted
[55:29] - Outdoor, outdoor paddle ball.
[55:32] The standard is, it's the hard,
[55:33] it's harder than the indoor one.
[55:35] - Yeah, I I think they said that you can go with the,
[55:38] the soft, all the soft paddle just to reduce decal levels.
[55:43] 'cause I know it's an issue in other neighborhoods outdoors,
[55:47] but I, I don't know how that works in Yeah. In comparison.
[55:51] - Okay. Question two, is there,
[55:53] is there a homeowner's association in this development?
[55:58] - I need to double check that.
[55:59] I know the owners now are renting.
[56:05] - Yeah, I think that's a, that's a
[56:06] singularly owned property.
[56:07] Yeah, that's a, that's a rental. Yeah. That's not condoed.
[56:12] - It's, yeah. - Okay.
[56:13] So there, there there'd be no input from people running it?
[56:16] Nope. As far as the noise is concerned. No,
[56:21] - That's correct.
[56:22] - Not yet. - Okay.
[56:24] - When it is posted, they would have the opportunity. Yeah.
[56:27] Matt, we're gonna have,
[56:29] - Okay - Matt, just to let you know, we're gonna put up one
[56:33] of our typical land development review
[56:35] signs on the property.
[56:37] So then that'll kind of notify the neighbors.
[56:40] That was a comment too if there is an HOA
[56:42] or a condo association to notify them.
[56:46] But you know, we're gonna try to get
[56:48] to get the word out with the sign.
[56:50] - Yeah. That's a pure rental area where
[56:54] the pickleball court's supposed to be developed
[56:58] but the neighboring development is condoed
[57:04] and there's probably a homeowner's association in that.
[57:10] - Okay, thank you. Yeah. And I have one question.
[57:13] I assume that these, this court actually
[57:15] it's a single court, correct?
[57:17] It is, will be limited to residents
[57:19] of the it is nit villas. It's
[57:21] - Not common.
[57:22] Yeah.
[57:23] - So the Happy Valley villas at
[57:25] - Happy Valley.
[57:26] Yep. Okay.
[57:30] Alright. Okay.
[57:37] New business. We have none.
[57:39] - Thank you. Thanks - Theo. Thank you.
[57:42] - And now we'll go to Old business
[57:46] Center Regional Planning agency,
[57:48] the future land use MAP update.
[57:53] And we had the first meeting
[57:57] about six weeks ago. I say
[57:59] - Maybe two May 5th. Yeah,
[58:01] - Well that's close.
[58:02] - That was the joint meeting. Yeah, we've been to six
[58:06] of 'em so it's hard to Yep.
[58:07] Seems like Yeah, we, we've been busy.
[58:10] So my name's Pam Adams, regional planning
[58:14] director from Centre Region COG.
[58:16] And basically tonight we're going
[58:18] to show you a presentation.
[58:20] You have received a recap memo.
[58:23] So as Ed was pointing out, we had a joint meeting
[58:26] where the elected officials, your council
[58:29] and planning commission participated in a facilitated
[58:33] discussion on the future land use map.
[58:39] We've written a recap memo of what we heard,
[58:43] we've reviewed it with staff
[58:46] and now we're asking you, is this what you also heard?
[58:50] And we'll go through things related to now
[58:53] what we're saying is that your draft future land use map,
[58:57] there'll be three places where I'm gonna pause so
[59:00] that you can answer questions.
[59:02] But you're always welcome to ask questions as we go.
[59:05] But in your recap memo there is sort of the, the background
[59:09] and process what we found from the open house.
[59:13] If you recall there was an open house
[59:15] prior to the joint meeting.
[59:17] We've also had a open house prior
[59:21] to the general forum meeting in June in which we got some
[59:24] more feedback from college Township residents.
[59:28] And then we've identified some areas that you've identified
[59:31] for as future land use.
[59:33] We've talked about long-term sewage planning.
[59:35] If you recall there were some properties
[59:37] that have unlocked septic
[59:39] and have particular challenges that we want
[59:41] to talk about recommendations.
[59:44] And then in the packet there is a fact sheet,
[59:49] if you remember sort of the projections on the back,
[59:52] the red cap report community results.
[59:56] So now I'm going to go through that.
[59:59] If you go to the next slide, we'll sort of give an overview
[1:00:04] of what we're gonna talk about.
[1:00:05] So I was sort of walking you
[1:00:07] through what's in your recap memo
[1:00:09] and if you noticed on your table there's a,
[1:00:14] this community results is the current one.
[1:00:17] This one includes the open house
[1:00:18] results from the general forum.
[1:00:20] So the one that's in your packet,
[1:00:21] you can just throw out it's base.
[1:00:23] It's very similar. But this one is the one I'm gonna be
[1:00:26] talking about with the slides tonight.
[1:00:30] And we're going to also talk about the criteria
[1:00:34] for future growth and shared land uses.
[1:00:36] So for the recap memo summary, you can read through that.
[1:00:41] But I just wanna make sure that your sense of what
[1:00:46] happened at the joint meeting was again, we presented data
[1:00:48] that talked about the red cap report so
[1:00:51] that in 2023 there's a regional development capacity report.
[1:00:56] That report is analyzing.
[1:00:59] We do this every five years to look at the
[1:01:02] capacity within the regional growth boundary sewer service
[1:01:05] area to make sure we have capacity for the projections
[1:01:09] for Growth Centre Region has capacity
[1:01:13] for the projected growth,
[1:01:15] but we can't determine the build rate the markets.
[1:01:20] So College Township has taken the proactive approach,
[1:01:24] rightfully that if
[1:01:27] and when we need to expand the regional growth boundary,
[1:01:29] we've identified future growth areas.
[1:01:31] So we will show those as far as
[1:01:33] what College Township has identified during that meeting
[1:01:36] as future growth areas in order to
[1:01:40] look at expanding the regional growth boundary sewer service
[1:01:43] area, we are recommending that we look at a certain criteria
[1:01:47] and I'm gonna ask for feedback on that criteria.
[1:01:50] And then also the report does identify long-term
[1:01:54] sewage planning issues.
[1:01:56] That basically is in several areas
[1:01:59] of the Centre Region in which older properties
[1:02:02] with unlocked septic might be running out
[1:02:05] of room on their space to be able to do that.
[1:02:07] So that's something that in 2027
[1:02:10] after the comprehensive plan is approved,
[1:02:12] that's probably gonna be another big project
[1:02:14] that we'll start working on as far as
[1:02:16] long-term sewage planning.
[1:02:19] All right, so first before we get into the future growth
[1:02:22] areas, let's talk about the open house results.
[1:02:26] So first we have five big ideas
[1:02:29] and the first big idea
[1:02:30] that we heard from participants at the
[1:02:33] open houses is fostering housing variety.
[1:02:36] And if you click the next button, it sort of circles
[1:02:39] what the, the highlights are.
[1:02:42] And again, what you see when you look at this first one is
[1:02:46] that there is pretty much consistency amongst all of them.
[1:02:50] But the two that kind
[1:02:51] of pop out are supporting attainable housing production
[1:02:54] funding and maintaining long-term housing occupancy.
[1:02:58] So that's sort of showing where some of the properties are.
[1:03:01] But because really all of them are getting, you know,
[1:03:04] a fairly good distribution is showing
[1:03:07] that really housing is multifaceted, right?
[1:03:09] You're, you're participants who took this,
[1:03:12] did this activity, recognize that for the next one,
[1:03:15] if you click again, the next big idea is
[1:03:19] connecting beyond cars.
[1:03:20] And again, this is star just so you know,
[1:03:22] like the text in the old one is a little different from this
[1:03:25] one because we saw that
[1:03:28] what we're seeing is the last one there again, a lot
[1:03:31] of consistency across all of them.
[1:03:34] But the one that pops out is investing in
[1:03:37] and preserving existing infrastructure.
[1:03:40] So what you're hearing is from the participants is improve.
[1:03:44] What we already have is invest in our existing communities
[1:03:48] for the third big idea, which is partnering
[1:03:51] for a thriving future.
[1:03:52] So on the back of that, what pops out here is
[1:03:58] enable regional growth through infrastructure
[1:04:00] and coordination, which is part of this process
[1:04:05] that we're doing for the Centre Region Comprehensive plan.
[1:04:08] And it supports that, you know, partnering
[1:04:10] and working with our neighbors is an important piece of it.
[1:04:14] Recognizing that the growth infrastructure
[1:04:18] and environmental issues don't stop at municipal boundaries.
[1:04:22] The fourth big idea, advancing purposeful community design.
[1:04:27] This one, I did not circle one
[1:04:29] because you can really see that there's a lot
[1:04:31] of consistency supporting all of these.
[1:04:34] But basically ones that mostly pop
[1:04:38] to the top if you look at the top priority in second are
[1:04:40] reinvestment and making better use
[1:04:43] of existing infrastructure.
[1:04:44] Again kind of relates to that transportation piece
[1:04:47] of improving what we already have.
[1:04:50] And then lastly, the big idea
[1:04:53] of cultivating environmental stewardship.
[1:04:55] This is the one that there was sort of some clear winners,
[1:04:58] if you wanna say not or any of them are winners or losers.
[1:05:02] But this one residents really wanted to balance
[1:05:05] that future growth with conservation
[1:05:07] and they place the high value on protecting water resources
[1:05:12] and those important environmental assets.
[1:05:14] So that those are the results that we heard
[1:05:18] during the open house and those are important to remember
[1:05:21] as we go through this comprehensive plan.
[1:05:24] Alright, so those are the priorities
[1:05:27] that we heard from the open house results.
[1:05:29] And if you recall we had that open house
[1:05:32] and then we facilitated a discussion with the council
[1:05:36] and planning commission
[1:05:37] and we walked through you
[1:05:40] at College Township have been doing a lot
[1:05:42] of work at the Dale Summit area
[1:05:45] and working on Form Based Code.
[1:05:47] So you are in a very good position to be talking about
[1:05:50] where you would like to see future growth when
[1:05:53] and if that would happen.
[1:05:55] So here is your draft future land use map
[1:05:59] and this matches
[1:06:01] and what we've worked with staff,
[1:06:03] what you saw at the meeting representing your work
[1:06:06] that you've been doing on Dale Summit.
[1:06:08] And what we have go up here
[1:06:12] and do this as well is your map, your piece
[1:06:17] of the map will show these future land
[1:06:21] Future growth areas.
[1:06:24] And basically that is what we heard at the meeting
[1:06:26] that you're interested in identifying future growth areas.
[1:06:30] And I'll just read what that says.
[1:06:32] Future growth areas, designate locations
[1:06:35] beyond the regional growth boundary
[1:06:36] and sewer service area
[1:06:38] that may accommodate longer term residential
[1:06:41] and employment growth, including higher density
[1:06:44] and more intensive uses.
[1:06:45] Should future conditions warrant expansion
[1:06:48] of the regional growth boundary and sewer service area.
[1:06:51] And should infrastructure
[1:06:52] and public utilities be extendable to support such growth.
[1:06:58] So it's important to note
[1:06:59] that those are future growth areas, right?
[1:07:01] You're saying when it's time
[1:07:04] to expand the regional growth boundary sewer service area,
[1:07:06] you're directing the growth to those.
[1:07:09] So again, this sets the stage as I mentioned
[1:07:11] with those on lot septic tanks that we've identified
[1:07:14] as some sewage problems.
[1:07:16] And then this future growth area, that's
[1:07:18] where we'll be looking at what our next plan
[1:07:22] for the sewage area.
[1:07:23] Right now it's act 5 37 plan,
[1:07:26] what those priorities should be.
[1:07:28] So I'll pause there to see if
[1:07:31] this future land use map represents
[1:07:33] what you heard at the meeting,
[1:07:35] if you have any questions on it.
[1:07:45] Because what we're gonna ask is that you are saying
[1:07:48] that this represents what you heard
[1:07:50] and that then it would go to counsel for their approval.
[1:07:53] So if it matches what you're in agreement with
[1:07:56] and you don't have any questions,
[1:07:57] that would be the next step.
[1:08:00] - If, - If you look at the future growth areas is
[1:08:05] if you look at the 50 acres, that's up
[1:08:09] where innovation park is, right?
[1:08:11] The extension of innovation park out.
[1:08:15] So it is like a triangle square kind
[1:08:19] of thing.
[1:08:21] If you look at the 43 acres where that is
[1:08:27] is
[1:08:33] trying to get the,
[1:08:37] it's Benner Pike, so it's back in,
[1:08:44] it's before the rock view area I believe
[1:08:51] - The area that's up to the right there of the screen.
[1:08:54] Yeah. That's the area
[1:08:56] that we identified in the Dale Summit area plan
[1:08:59] to eventually expand upon that rock view land
[1:09:02] that's currently owned by rock view.
[1:09:03] Yeah. Yeah. And that goes to our boundary. Yep.
[1:09:06] - And then the last one is,
[1:09:10] that's also the rock view number three,
[1:09:14] - Correct? That's the rock view
[1:09:16] - Property.
[1:09:17] That's 415 acres.
[1:09:18] That's on the college town College Avenue side.
[1:09:21] So you got Benner Pike, you got Rock View here,
[1:09:25] rock View here, and then Rock View goes all the way down
[1:09:29] the slope where all the nice trees are
[1:09:33] as you go out College Avenue.
[1:09:35] It's past the transfer station.
[1:09:37] - Correct. - To the left and the right
[1:09:41] 'cause that's both owned by the prison
[1:09:44] and it's in College Township if you ever want
[1:09:48] to take a ride, it's, and isn't there also a farm up there?
[1:09:54] Did, isn't there a farm up there somewhere
[1:09:56] - On the rock view land?
[1:09:58] - Well before the rock view land. Oh
[1:10:01] - Should we?
[1:10:02] - Oh yeah, yeah. - Should
[1:10:03] - Farm.
[1:10:04] Yeah. Thank you. Okay.
[1:10:06] - So yeah, I think that's what we've heard.
[1:10:08] - Yeah. Which is the number two.
[1:10:11] Number two, the 43 acres is the shoey farm.
[1:10:14] - Yeah. Okay. - Okay. Yeah, I, I misspoke there.
[1:10:18] So yeah, we have the area at the end of innovation park.
[1:10:21] Yep. We have the shoey farm
[1:10:23] and we also have the rock view land.
[1:10:25] Yep.
[1:10:29] - And then the, the sewer plan that was some of the houses
[1:10:34] that are out, out towards hou out past Houserville,
[1:10:38] they'd run out towards Rock Road.
[1:10:40] Correct. Where they're all still on septic,
[1:10:44] that and everything.
[1:10:46] There's septic that's going into,
[1:10:50] there's a water line going into the Clearwater
[1:10:52] conservation area.
[1:10:54] And are they also going to,
[1:10:56] they're also going on sewer line, right?
[1:11:01] - Yeah. The Clearwater Project. Yes. Yeah.
[1:11:03] - So that's where the sewer ends
[1:11:06] and all those houses that go out towards Rock Road
[1:11:09] and then Trout Road Right.
[1:11:11] They're all, they're still septic and they could be failing
[1:11:14] 'cause they're 50 to 50 plus years old.
[1:11:18] And that was identified as a possible sewer problem
[1:11:23] that the college Township may have.
[1:11:25] - Right. And Ferguson Patton half Moon Harris, they,
[1:11:30] we all, there's more than just this one.
[1:11:33] And, and there might be others in College Township.
[1:11:35] So when we actually do the full study, we'll be making sure
[1:11:38] that we're, we're looking at other of those.
[1:11:41] But yes, this one in College Township is the one
[1:11:43] that we brought up as we, we are aware
[1:11:45] of it from the sewer enforcement officers,
[1:11:47] but we just definitely want to make sure that that is,
[1:11:51] that's coming next in 2027.
[1:11:53] I will note that this recap report is in this agenda packet
[1:11:57] and that we are putting it on our website
[1:11:59] after we meet with the pc.
[1:12:00] If this in case we had to make any edits,
[1:12:03] but then we'll be putting it on our website so
[1:12:04] that the public can see it also.
[1:12:06] Okay.
[1:12:08] - Does anybody have any questions, Ted?
[1:12:15] - Well, I, I would say I appreciate this update.
[1:12:17] This is very, you know, especially with the housing concerns
[1:12:20] and connection between or beyond cars,
[1:12:23] I don't really have any questions, but I do like
[1:12:25] that this is great information.
[1:12:26] I, this is very, very valuable.
[1:12:29] - Matt, I'm gonna have you go
[1:12:30] seconds 'cause I've been forgetting yet.
[1:12:33] - Sort echo Tad. Just very nice presentation, nice graphics
[1:12:36] and really easy to understand.
[1:12:42] - Thank you for helping create this valuable resource.
[1:12:47] Peggy,
[1:12:49] - It's a, it was a good presentation.
[1:12:50] A lot of information well organized and very useful
[1:12:56] - And thank you very much.
[1:12:57] I think you hit all the highlights
[1:12:59] that came out of that joint meeting.
[1:13:04] I think you guys did some really good work here.
[1:13:07] - Excellent. It's been a good activity,
[1:13:09] but I'm not done with my presentation
[1:13:11] 'cause that's what we heard at the recap.
[1:13:12] But there's two more things that I would
[1:13:14] like to talk about that's,
[1:13:15] - Well, we just wanted to give - You a Yep.
[1:13:16] That I want. I paused so that we KU goes now.
[1:13:18] Yeah, I appreciate it. 'cause that lets us now send it off
[1:13:22] to council so that, that's what we are looking for
[1:13:24] to make sure we've captured it.
[1:13:26] One of the things that's coming out
[1:13:28] with the discussions on future growth areas
[1:13:31] is if we're going to grow,
[1:13:32] we wanna make sure we're growing in the right places
[1:13:35] and you've identified growth areas.
[1:13:38] And so we are recommending that part
[1:13:41] of this comprehensive plan for all consideration really is
[1:13:46] that we have criteria for when it's time
[1:13:48] for the sewer service area
[1:13:50] and regional growth boundary to be expanded, right?
[1:13:51] We're identifying these in the comprehensive plan,
[1:13:55] but when it's actually time should one,
[1:13:58] we should be looking at the capacity, right?
[1:14:00] We're gonna continue to do that red cap report.
[1:14:03] We want to making sure
[1:14:04] that we're looking at infrastructure planning as we go so
[1:14:08] that we're confirming it's cost effective and
[1:14:10] and being able to be done in a timely manner, right?
[1:14:13] So that transportation piece of it needs to keep happening
[1:14:17] that we're planning it
[1:14:18] and thinking of things in our CIP as we see growth continue,
[1:14:23] demand verification.
[1:14:24] Is there demand such as, you know, housing, we know
[1:14:27] that there's a big need for housing, so
[1:14:29] that could get a priority
[1:14:31] for expanding the regional growth boundary.
[1:14:33] It also could be a potential job economic hub, right?
[1:14:37] Something that there's a demand in this region for.
[1:14:41] And then there's regional coordination
[1:14:42] that we wanna make sure we're doing things
[1:14:44] consistently through the region.
[1:14:46] And for your regional growth areas,
[1:14:49] or sorry, your future growth areas, we recommend working
[1:14:52] with Benner Township
[1:14:53] because those properties are also in Benner Township.
[1:14:56] So that's something we've talked to with Lindsay
[1:14:58] and staff here that we're gonna make sure we talk
[1:15:01] to the folks at Benner Township.
[1:15:03] And then as we know from the community input
[1:15:07] from not just your open house,
[1:15:08] but all of them that the environmental clearance is really
[1:15:11] important to make sure that if
[1:15:13] and where we're building, we wanna make sure we're
[1:15:15] protecting our water resources and such.
[1:15:17] So I don't know if I'm missing anything.
[1:15:20] So I keep that in mind.
[1:15:21] And then I just want to show the criteria for
[1:15:23] what the environmental criteria are.
[1:15:27] And a lot of this is already built in,
[1:15:29] but we want to continue to, you know, strengthen this
[1:15:33] and see if we're missing anything.
[1:15:34] But we wanna make sure that we're looking at steep slopes
[1:15:37] that we're not building on those riparian buffers are
[1:15:40] important for our waterways.
[1:15:42] Agriculture soils are important to continue
[1:15:45] to Preserve those prime agricultural soils.
[1:15:48] Not building on floodplains.
[1:15:49] We know we have this kars and geological formations
[1:15:54] and that we have to make sure we're building correctly
[1:15:56] for those, not building on wetlands, woodland
[1:15:59] and habitat considerations.
[1:16:00] And again, looking at this infrastructure,
[1:16:03] what our capacity is
[1:16:05] and where it needs to be so that we're making sure
[1:16:08] that we're not getting high congestion and bottlenecks
[1:16:11] and then existing development patterns.
[1:16:14] We wanna make sure we're continuing to build
[1:16:16] with the right character with our neighbors.
[1:16:19] So that's what we have.
[1:16:21] And so I don't know if you have any input,
[1:16:22] and again, this won't be the last time you see this.
[1:16:24] This is gonna be a part of the comprehensive plan.
[1:16:27] So we wanted to share this with you.
[1:16:30] And if there are things that you're like, we're missing this
[1:16:33] or we're forgetting something, I just will give you a chance
[1:16:36] to let me know if there's anything that
[1:16:38] you would recommend we consider or take a look at.
[1:16:43] - I think this is my own opinion,
[1:16:45] and I'm not talking for the whole planning commission,
[1:16:48] but just looking at your criteria up there.
[1:16:53] If you look at what you identified as future growth areas,
[1:16:59] we already know there's demand up in the university site
[1:17:05] where Pam Health is going.
[1:17:06] They're also looking at a RL to go up there.
[1:17:11] We know we're running a water service up there.
[1:17:14] We know that there's gonna be sewer up there.
[1:17:17] So that would be a perfect criteria
[1:17:20] because we know there's growth, we know there's demand.
[1:17:24] So that would fit right in to make sure that area
[1:17:29] is included in a future growth area.
[1:17:34] That parcel number two, the 43 acres, that's part
[1:17:38] of Dale Summit, which I know is important
[1:17:42] to the Township at this point with
[1:17:44] the Form Based Code and those kind of things.
[1:17:48] There may be some environmental things there
[1:17:50] that have to be looked at.
[1:17:52] I'm not so sure. But then when you go to
[1:17:57] the future growth for the rock view land,
[1:18:03] that's gonna be very difficult.
[1:18:05] I don't know if that's immediate
[1:18:06] because we don't even know if the state's gonna sell it.
[1:18:10] So, you know, future growth map,
[1:18:13] I think the Dale Summit ISS very important.
[1:18:15] I think the university land's very important
[1:18:17] and then we would have to meet all the other criteria
[1:18:22] that staff has put together with wetlands, environmentals,
[1:18:27] the soils and all that.
[1:18:29] So I see where you're going in the right direction.
[1:18:34] Does anybody else have anything to say? Matt?
[1:18:36] You have anything?
[1:18:38] - Yeah, what's Carson? - That's we, that's Sink Hall
[1:18:44] - Basic.
[1:18:45] Okay.
[1:18:46] - Limestone. Limestone.
[1:18:48] That falls apart when you build on it. Yeah.
[1:18:52] - Okay. Thank you. - Peggy, do you have anything?
[1:18:56] Not anything, Sal.
[1:19:00] I I think that was a very good presentation. The
[1:19:03] - Great beginning.
[1:19:04] All right, so then the, this is kind of the wrap,
[1:19:07] wrap up for the recap memo.
[1:19:09] And what we'll be doing is working next with council,
[1:19:12] taking it to them, and again,
[1:19:14] doing it at all six of the municipalities.
[1:19:16] And that future land use map will be getting to the,
[1:19:20] the final point, it'll go
[1:19:21] to the Centre Region Planning Commission.
[1:19:24] You'll see it again in the package as a regional map,
[1:19:28] not just College Township.
[1:19:30] Then there's the writing of the comprehensive plan,
[1:19:33] which we're starting to work on with all the feedback
[1:19:35] that we've been getting over the past couple years
[1:19:37] with the big ideas, the goals.
[1:19:39] Then the third piece
[1:19:41] that we're tackling is Shared Land uses.
[1:19:44] And so I want to just give a brief two slide overview of
[1:19:47] that, because there will be more coming
[1:19:49] where we will be asking things of you.
[1:19:51] And so what College Township
[1:19:54] and Patent Township,
[1:19:56] you currently have a shared land use agreement
[1:19:58] where college provides for industrial
[1:20:00] and patent provides for multifamily.
[1:20:02] So you're used to this,
[1:20:04] but what we are looking at is for the full region,
[1:20:07] for example, half Moon Township does not
[1:20:09] provide for multifamily.
[1:20:11] So we need to bring in
[1:20:13] and look at it for the region as a whole,
[1:20:16] which we've been doing
[1:20:17] with the Centre Region Comprehensive Plan, sort of
[1:20:20] planning together as a region.
[1:20:22] But we want to look
[1:20:24] and move towards codifying this so
[1:20:27] that all the municipalities can really make sure
[1:20:29] that they're legally protected in that way.
[1:20:32] So by looking at Shared Land uses,
[1:20:34] we're currently at the staff level talking about what types
[1:20:38] of lands we should be sharing.
[1:20:40] But it provides flexibility,
[1:20:42] it helps coordinate infrastructure.
[1:20:44] So this lists some
[1:20:45] of the reasons why we're looking at Shared Land uses,
[1:20:48] but really we're trying to document
[1:20:51] and strengthen what we're already doing on this Centre
[1:20:54] Region Comprehensive plan,
[1:20:56] but with an actual written agreement.
[1:20:59] And on the next slide, it just shows some of the things
[1:21:02] that at staff level we are talking about.
[1:21:06] There's been law cases, court cases about residential uses.
[1:21:10] Again, back to the fact
[1:21:11] that Half Moon doesn't provide for multifamily.
[1:21:13] We need to look at those.
[1:21:15] So we're looking at making sure we're sharing
[1:21:17] those land uses.
[1:21:20] Data centers have been a hot topic these days.
[1:21:22] So that's one. And then
[1:21:25] whenever you have these larger data centers,
[1:21:27] even mid-sized ones, you have energy generating facilities.
[1:21:31] So we're gonna look at those industrial adult businesses,
[1:21:35] area stadium and amphitheater.
[1:21:37] Obviously College Township provides for that,
[1:21:40] but not all the other municipalities do,
[1:21:43] but we could share that.
[1:21:44] Right? We also have the casino and the hospital,
[1:21:49] but Patent Township also has some hospital uses.
[1:21:51] So these are examples.
[1:21:53] It's not like we're sharing all land uses.
[1:21:55] The idea is to identify some of them, document them,
[1:22:00] and understand the process.
[1:22:02] The process would basically be as things, if things needed
[1:22:05] to change or new things came in
[1:22:06] and we're gonna share them, it would be
[1:22:08] A-C-R-P-C discussion.
[1:22:10] So that's the type of process, but we'll provide more.
[1:22:14] I just wanted to give a little bit of an overview of a topic
[1:22:18] that's gonna be coming back with more detail
[1:22:20] for your approval and recommendation to counsel.
[1:22:26] - Does anybody have any questions?
[1:22:30] I I have one question for you. Okay.
[1:22:34] On these future land growth areas,
[1:22:44] we know, I'm just gonna use an example.
[1:22:46] That's a live example, A A RL. Okay.
[1:22:52] Where they want to have a secure campus
[1:22:57] over time, move all their operations to one location,
[1:23:01] and that means there's gonna be
[1:23:03] vacancies in other townships.
[1:23:06] Okay. So if
[1:23:11] we say, how do you get future,
[1:23:16] a future land map
[1:23:17] and an approval for a growth area, does
[1:23:21] that mean everybody in COG needs to approve that?
[1:23:28] - Yeah. So - This, because it can get very protective,
[1:23:31] because if you're gonna have vacancies, you are gonna say,
[1:23:35] no, I don't want this
[1:23:37] because I may be losing rental properties
[1:23:42] or commercial tenants or whatever.
[1:23:45] Even though if you don't do that,
[1:23:49] then a RL may not be able to get DOD contracts
[1:23:53] because of security purposes.
[1:23:56] So it's a, a tough road to go down,
[1:24:00] but I understand where you're going,
[1:24:03] but you also have this, you know,
[1:24:06] we gotta protect our own turf.
[1:24:09] - Yes. So I don't think you're specifically
[1:24:12] asking about the A RI.
[1:24:13] No, I'm not. Okay. Yeah, I'm,
[1:24:14] I'm using, so you're talking about the,
[1:24:16] - I'm using that as an example,
[1:24:17] - Right?
[1:24:18] We we're learning a lot about that process.
[1:24:21] The regional growth boundary service service area is
[1:24:24] definitely something that a lot
[1:24:26] of people feel strongly about.
[1:24:27] And like that it protects the farmlands
[1:24:30] and preserves things, but we're trying
[1:24:32] to make sure people also understand that it is not meant
[1:24:37] to never move.
[1:24:38] And that's why we have the minor process
[1:24:40] and the, the process that allows for it to be expanded.
[1:24:44] And so by di identifying criteria
[1:24:49] and instead of just always reacting to where growth is
[1:24:53] by the developers coming in.
[1:24:54] So there's a process to update them,
[1:24:57] but we really should be looking at
[1:24:59] where we want growth to be.
[1:25:01] It doesn't mean it's happening tomorrow.
[1:25:03] Like Rockview is an example.
[1:25:04] These other ones, it's not happening tomorrow,
[1:25:08] but we are getting tight within
[1:25:10] our regional growth boundaries.
[1:25:11] So we should be starting to talk about future growth areas.
[1:25:14] It does go to the Centre Region Planning Commission.
[1:25:18] And my sense is it goes to General Forum as well
[1:25:21] because it needs to be approved.
[1:25:23] But I, we've been mentioning
[1:25:26] that College Township is looking at future growth areas,
[1:25:29] nobody else's.
[1:25:30] And I think that's in some ways appropriate.
[1:25:33] If everybody was gonna say they were growing,
[1:25:35] then we really need to narrow that down.
[1:25:37] Right? It, it, we don't want to just open the,
[1:25:40] the gates per se because of the beauty of Happy Valley
[1:25:44] and the farmlands, but we should,
[1:25:47] ID be identifying some future growth
[1:25:48] areas For planning, you know?
[1:25:52] Right. It's long-term planning
[1:25:54] and that's gonna be a discussion.
[1:25:56] I, and so far in the, you know, when we were going out
[1:26:01] to the different municipalities, sometimes they've asked
[1:26:03] what are other people doing?
[1:26:04] I will say State College Borough is looking at their
[1:26:07] rezoning growing up, and so they're looking
[1:26:10] to take more capacity.
[1:26:12] So they're wondering what
[1:26:13] that impact will be on other municipalities as well.
[1:26:16] And, and we do have to watch that, right.
[1:26:18] If so, we don't have a lot
[1:26:21] of vacant properties over time,
[1:26:23] but that's something that will be one
[1:26:25] of the tasks that come with this.
[1:26:28] - I the only reason I'm asking that is
[1:26:31] because I know living here for 30 plus years,
[1:26:36] you do have territorial
[1:26:40] type P.
[1:26:42] Yeah. Territorial.
[1:26:44] I, I don't want to give up something even though it's
[1:26:46] for the betterment of the whole community.
[1:26:49] - Yep, yep.
[1:26:51] We'll try to keep focusing on,
[1:26:54] most residents live in state college.
[1:26:56] Yeah. They don't always identify in one municipality.
[1:27:00] - So Yeah, we don't, we don't care if it's College
[1:27:02] Township, Ferguson or whatever.
[1:27:04] Whatever's good for the whole right area should be
[1:27:08] good for the community.
[1:27:10] And that's what I, I don't see that all the time. Okay.
[1:27:18] Does anybody else have any comments?
[1:27:21] Matt, do you got anything?
[1:27:25] - No. - Huh? Nope.
[1:27:30] I guess nobody does, but now are you
[1:27:33] - Now I am done.
[1:27:34] Thank you for your time.
[1:27:36] - Does anybody else have any comments or questions?
[1:27:40] That was a great presentation. Yes. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:27:43] I wish you luck making sure everybody's happy.
[1:27:45] Yeah, I need it.
[1:27:51] A good start. Yeah. Really good.
[1:27:57] All right. The next thing on the agenda
[1:28:04] is, Matt, do you want to give the council report?
[1:28:08] Did you watch the tape? I have it summarized if you did.
[1:28:13] - No, I'll do it. - All right.
[1:28:15] - Two, feel free to staff or members feel free to jump in.
[1:28:19] On June 18th, the shadow commercial part,
[1:28:23] phase two final subdivision plan was approved.
[1:28:27] They also talked a little bit about Form Based Code.
[1:28:30] An interesting thing that doesn't really pertain this a
[1:28:33] hundred percent, but there's a lot
[1:28:34] of noise about Brandywine Drive.
[1:28:37] So they're going to Brandywine pedestrian signal project.
[1:28:41] So they're looking to put in two advanced warning signs
[1:28:45] and six crosswalk signs with, that's been about $42,000.
[1:28:51] Unique thing is that the school district is kicking in 25%.
[1:28:55] So the council approved that with the, with the budget not
[1:28:58] to exceed 45,000.
[1:29:01] Anybody have any questions on that? Nope. Okay.
[1:29:05] July 16th at a Public Hearing for the signs amendment
[1:29:09] and also for the, the sdo, the trees,
[1:29:13] the Signs Science Stadiums, CORINA'S Event Center, the
[1:29:17] Centre Region Planning Commission actually heard a bunch of
[1:29:20] that tabled it without any specific actions.
[1:29:26] Council and staff seemed to think that a lot
[1:29:28] of the questions that the CRPC had were actually sort
[1:29:31] of in the Ordinance that they did, you know, they missed
[1:29:34] or didn't quite understand.
[1:29:36] So they, they voted to approve that
[1:29:42] the tree was sort of self-explanatory.
[1:29:44] There weren't not many arborists on, on our group.
[1:29:48] The final thing you'll find interesting that they come up
[1:29:51] with a plan for the staff to, I mean, for council
[1:29:54] to review Form Based Code.
[1:29:55] So they're gonna have like their regular council meeting.
[1:29:58] And then that night, I think Lindsay, they're gonna get
[1:30:02] the information for the work sessions that they're having.
[1:30:05] They're gonna have a total, I think of five work sessions.
[1:30:08] So they're, they're doing a nice job of spacing their
[1:30:11] work format, code workout from
[1:30:14] their regular council meetings.
[1:30:16] And that's all I have.
[1:30:18] - Okay. The only other thing that I had is,
[1:30:24] it was in the manager's report, carrie's working
[1:30:28] with the Department of Economic and Community Development.
[1:30:33] This is looking for grants
[1:30:34] or loan programs for the revitalization of the mall
[1:30:39] for a possible acquisition.
[1:30:42] She has continued to work on that for the last two
[1:30:45] and a half years, looking at some things
[1:30:49] that may help if there is an acquisition or whatever.
[1:30:53] Because that, if you look at Dale Summit, that's one area
[1:30:57] that hasn't really continued
[1:31:00] to develop like we hope it would've.
[1:31:04] They're also looking at a possible, possible area
[1:31:08] to lease some space within the Township.
[1:31:12] This is for startup companies that have, are ready
[1:31:16] to move out of the incubator buildings up on campus
[1:31:22] to go to their next level.
[1:31:25] We don't have any of those things right now in the area.
[1:31:29] So we're looking at, can we do something through
[1:31:33] College Township
[1:31:34] or the IDA to help people find some space to move into.
[1:31:40] And she's also looking at going
[1:31:42] through the Appalachian Regional Commission for some kind
[1:31:45] of grants that may help with planning
[1:31:49] in the Dale Summit area for economic
[1:31:52] growth initiatives.
[1:31:55] Did I summarize that pretty good? Oh, did I?
[1:31:59] That's it on that. Carrie, do you have anything to add?
[1:32:04] - No, but you know, happy to talk to anybody
[1:32:06] that's interested in some of that business incubator work
[1:32:09] or the Department of Community and Economic Development.
[1:32:12] - And the other thing I forgot to say that Carrie
[1:32:15] and the IDA is gonna be sending out questionnaires
[1:32:18] of about 18 questions to about 300 companies.
[1:32:22] - Yep. A business service.
[1:32:23] - And that should go out somewhere in August.
[1:32:26] Her goal is August 1st,
[1:32:28] but that's up to the printers I guess.
[1:32:33] So that is that.
[1:32:38] We got a copy of the Zoning bulletins.
[1:32:42] We got a copy of the update
[1:32:46] for the Subdivision and Land Development Plans.
[1:32:49] And hopefully you read those and looked at those.
[1:32:54] And our next meeting is scheduled
[1:32:56] for August 4th, 2026.
[1:33:01] And nobody else has anything looking
[1:33:05] for a motion for adjournment?
[1:33:07] Motion to Adjourn. We got a motion. We have a second.
[1:33:10] All in favor A absolutely. See ya.
[1:33:14] - Thank you. See ya. Thank you.
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