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Good afternoon, everyone. Calling to order the council meeting for

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Monday, December 1, 2025. And we're going to start. By

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standing for the playing of our national anthem.

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Please be seated. Our land. Acknowledgment today will be read

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by Councilor Jeffrey. Thank you. Mayor Hamlin for more than

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15,000 years, the first nations walked upon and cared for

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the lands we now caught home Anishnabek hod Nashoni Ajibway

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and many others who were families, friends and communities the

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way we are today. The town of Collingwood acknowledges the

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Lake Simcoe Natawa saga Treaty of 1818 and the relationship

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it establishes with the original inhabitants of Turtle island, we

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acknowledge the reality of our shared history and the current

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contributions of indigenous people within our community, we seek to

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continue empowering expressions of pride amongst all. Of the diverse

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stakeholders in this area, we seek to do better and

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to continue to recognize, learn, and grow in friendship and

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community, nation to nation. Thank you. Now, I have a

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motion to adopt the agenda. The motion as follows, that

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the content of the council committee of the whole agenda

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for December 1, 2025 be adopted as amended. There's two

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amendments, the addition of staff report for item 15.2.2, staff

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proposed budget and this is draft number two and. Secondly,

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we're going to switch the order in item 15.2. There's

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two. Items there and we're going to deal with the

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budget first, which is the second item. And then we'll

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deal with the master servicing plan contract as the second

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item. Could I have a mover in a second, please?

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Councilor Jeffrey. Seconded by councilor. Potts comments. Thank you, Mayor

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Hamlin, for a few reasons, including additional information I've got

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since the release of the draft agenda at this time,

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I'm going to withdraw the notice of motion. At 15.71,

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likely to bring something forward a later date after the

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pre consultations on provincial budget occur. Thank you, Councilor Jeffrey.

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Thank you, mayor. Hamlin and just heads up, I propose

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to pull from 8.3.1. C 2020 514 with respect to

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governance. For some input. Sorry, I'm just looking here. 8.3.1.

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And the committee of the whole and it's. C 2020

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514 council governance structure. Got it. Thank you. Thank you.

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Okay. And with those other matters listed. All those in

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favor? And that's unanimous. Thank you. Are there any declarations

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of pecuniary interest? Today. If you find yourself in that

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position during the meeting, please let me know. The announcements.

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We're going to start by hearing from our youth mayor

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San v. Gupta. Welcome, Sandy. Hello. Thank you. Good evening,

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everyone. Being announced as the calling with youth mayor in

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late October was one of the biggest surprises and honors

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of my life. I filled out the application, hoping to

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learn about leadership, explore how our town works, and understand

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all the different jobs that keep this community running, and

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I got all of that and so much more. From

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speaking on the radio to shadowing the finance department to

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helping raise the pulley of flag, every experience to push

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me to grow. And made me proud to represent the

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youth of Collingwood. One of the biggest highlights was the

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Remembrance Day parade, where I had the privilege of laying

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the wreath on behalf of all young people in our

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community. Moments like that reminded me how meaningful this role

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truly is. I've also been really grateful for the recognition

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I've gotten from our community, including the article that was

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published about my work as a youth mayor. It's been

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amazing to hear from people in town who notice what

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I've been doing. And it made me realize how connected

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we all are. I've had so much fun meeting everyone

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here at council. And learning from each one of you.

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Thank you for welcoming me, supporting me and taking the

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time. To show me what real community leadership looks like.

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And a special thank you to Mayor Hamlin and the

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council members who chose me for this. Role. Thank you

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for believing in me and trusting me with this responsibility.

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A special thank you to Isabella as well for being

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beside me throughout. As this is my final council meeting,

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I just want to say how grateful I am for.

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This opportunity. This experience has been a huge part of

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my life and something I will always look back on.

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With pride. But I also know this isn't the end.

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It's just to start. Being a youth mayor has inspired

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me to take on more leadership roles involved in continue

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helping Collingwood in any way I can. Thank you again

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for everything. It has been an honor to represent the

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youth of this amazing community as a youth mayor.

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Well, thank you so much for being our youth mayor

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and for all your kind words today. Thank you. Thank

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you for having me. Thanks. Now back to the regular

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scheduled community announcements. How are you going to top that,

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Deputy mayor? Exactly. That's always a tough act. Of all

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of it, we've had such great use. Of marriage, and

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congratulations on all your hard work. On November 18, along

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with councilor Ring, we attended the first anniversary of the

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Campbell street support of rapid rehousing project that is operated

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by contact community services. As part of celebration of the

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very successful twelve months of operation. They've served about 28

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clients and have rehoused 13. To assist with senior homelessness.

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The complex was renamed the Rogers Way home after the

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very first. Person to move on to permanent housing. It

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honors. That very first client. And it's a ball about

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integrating into permanent housing for those over 55. The other

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announcement I was going to make is that we're very

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appreciative. Of the efforts of all the volunteers that are

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participating as part of the Christmas Day feast team. This

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is the return of a free community meal project that

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is open and welcoming to anyone who needs a place

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to go. Whether they are going to be spending a

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day loan, experiencing food insecurity or. Simply looking to connect

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with others. It's open to all denominations and ages. It

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will take place from 1230 to 02:00. P.m. at the

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legion on the 390 Ontario street. And so again, we're

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so grateful to the team for bringing together. These people

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in the spirit of caring community, wishing them all the

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best in their efforts, and if you want to reserve

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a seat, please just call our tremendous 2111 service. Thank

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you. Thank you. Councilor Jeffrey thank you. Mary Hamlin, the

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deputy mayor, just covered what I was hoping to bring

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up tonight and maybe I would only. Expand with one

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thing. To say that if you have the ability to

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become a sponsor of this great event. Please contact the

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organizers. I'm sure they can use all the help they

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can to deliver. This wonderful event. Thank you. Thank you,

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Councilor Dougherty. Thank you, mayor. Just a couple of items.

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The first is. Last week on November 25, I participated

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with you and members of council. In the raising of

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the flag for international day of elimination of violence against

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women. We do many flag raisings in this community, and

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I hope for the day when it is no longer

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necessary for us to do this one. This Wednesday, there

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will be a virtual open house where residents can receive

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an update on the waterfront. Development. It's between 630 and

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730, and you can register online at Collingwood, CA. And

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then finally, are you a newcomer to Collingwood? You can

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find out virtually. Everything you need to know about your

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residency, including waste pickup, library, schools, building permits. And much,

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much more. All on the town website. Calling with ca.

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Thank you. Thank you, Councilor Potts. Thanks, Mayor Hamlin. Just

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a reminder that the outdoor Christmas market has returned. It

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will be each Friday evening, and we'll continue Friday evenings

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from 05:00 p.m. to 08:00 p.m. Downtown until December 19.

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You can enjoy the magic of the dancers from Fleetwood

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Dance center in the store windows and strolling entertainers along

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the street, taking a free horse and wagon ride, leaving

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the town hall and visit with Santa's big red sleigh

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at the open space. At 84 here, Ontario street, across

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from town hall. And remember that Santa will also be

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returning each sat. Saturday from noon to 03:00 p.m. until

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December 20. And just on that I attended. The market

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Friday night and then followed up with the Blues game.

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And I just want to send an appreciation to director

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Cubit and her staff. The sound system was spectacular. And

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so it was with 1000 people in attendance, approximately. It

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was very well known that. It's been upgraded, so thank

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you. Counci. Thank you very much, Mayor Hamlin. I just

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have one announcement to make about the. Calling with the

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affordable housing task force. Had another one other conversation. A

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community conversation in the series that we know the issue.

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Now let's talk solutions. This one was about how land

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trust. Are building affordable communities. And can they work in

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Collingwood? That was Wednesday, November 26, at the library as

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well attended. It was originally we had to cut it

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off because there's only so much room up there, so.

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We had breakout tables that deputy Mayor Friar and myself

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being on the affordable housing task force both facilitated a

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table. And also in attendance from our council was councilor

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Perry. The night went pretty well. There was a presentation

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and. I am sorry. The girl's name is escaping, but

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she's a representative of the canadian network of community land

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trust, and she gave a very good presentation. It stirred

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up a lot of conversation when we broke off into

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the breakout tables. And whether we got any solutions from

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this. There was a lot of good information and data

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that was tabulated. And I'm sure that when coordinator. Dasuza

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gets everything put together, we're going to hear about it.

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At the next affordable housing task force, and hopefully it's

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something we can look forward to. Helping. The crisis that

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we have with lack of affordable housing in this town.

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So that's all. I have. Thank you, Councilor Baines. Thank

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you, Mayor Hamlin. Two items. Today, tomorrow, December. 2 is

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giving Tuesday a global generosity movement. Celebrate by supporting the

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Collingwood Museum's mission to preserve and share stories that. Shape

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our community. Every donation, big or small, helps us care

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for Collingwood's collection, creating, engaging experiences and makes history accessible

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to everyone. This giving Tuesday. Your support helps us to

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inspire curiosity, connection and pride in Collingwood's past. Today and

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for years to come. You can donate in person at

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the Collingwood museum during regular operating hours Tuesday to Saturday

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from ten to four or over the phone by calling

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705 4454-8111. Or. Going to their website at Collingwood causum.

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Donations of $20 or more are, of course, eligible for

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tax receipts. And the second item is that this morning

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at 1015. I and 45 other volunteers attended at the

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corner, actually at the Salvation army in a Congo line.

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Of gifts, if you will. We were able. And I

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know councilor Potts did this last year. We being members

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of the Optimus Club of Collingwood, the employees of reliability

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and the OPP. To unload two and a half trucks

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totaling 1210 items. I won't say what. Those items are

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for, but you can guess. This will go to make

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the Christmases of some 245 families in this community, up

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from. Up 40 families from last year, so the need

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is there. It took us about 90 minutes in the

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cold in this Congo line. Moving all of these items,

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46 people. And in total. It was about $15,000 worth

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of items, shall I say 4000 donated from the Optimus

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club 12,000 from reliability. And I must say, shout out

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to Cliff and Terry Hollingshead. Who are extraordinary in organizing

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this year after year. And just to end it off,

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as Terry said. Or Jenny. Excuse me. From the Salvation

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army, the extraordinary. Generosity of this community. Continues to inspire.

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And amaze them. So on their behalf and everyone's behalf,

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thank you for all who participate. Thank you for that.

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Councilor Perry. Thank you, mayor Hamlin. I do have two

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library announcements. Genealogy club is a casual group for those

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wanting to learn more about genealogy and to share tips

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and information with others. New members are always welcome. The

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next meeting is Tuesday, December 9, at 10:00 a.m. also

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the library. Will be looking seasonal with winter. I spy

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you can pick up your game card in the children's.

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Area, and the search will take you through both floors

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of the library. Once you find all the items, submit

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a ballot for a chance to win your own board

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game. All ages are welcome to play. And it's from

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December 15 to the 23rd. I also will add that

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during councilor Potts. Announcement regarding downtown, et cetera. We did

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get an email that came in, and I'm sure he

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would have covered this. But I just want to share

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that the town of Collingwood is spreading holiday chair with

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free parking. In downtown and municipal parking lots from Saturday,

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December 6 to Sunday, January 4. Please note. Overnight. Parking

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restrictions remain in effect from 01:00 a.m. till 07:00 a.m.

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and for stays longer than 3 hours, please use the

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municipal parking lots. Take advantage of this festive offer while

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enjoying shopping, dining and seasonal activities in downtown Collingwood. Thanks

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for the reminder, Councilor McCullough. Thank you, mayor. I had

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two items, and they were very nicely covered by my

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colleagues on council. I hear you. So I'm going to

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just take a minute. To say how honored we all

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should be by having the number of people who were

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nominated for order of Collingwood this year. The committee. Had

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a tough choice picking who should be the recipients. And

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I'm just going to take a moment to say who

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these people are. So the order of Collingwood, just for

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those who need a little reminder. Is honoring those who,

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through exemplary volunteer efforts in the community. Enrich the well

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being. Social, natural or cultural environment of our community. And

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we also award at the same time if there are

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any nominated and worthy companion to the order of Collingwood.

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And these are people who already receive the Order of

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Collingwood award, but through their tireless volunteer efforts continue to

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further five years. So the 2025 recipients of the Order

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of Collingwood are these people? Barbara Kaiser Patterson, Deb. Pickett,

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Pearl Simons, Claire Tucker Reid and Paul Azubik, and the

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Companion to the order of Collingwood are Robert Graham and

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Larry Hogarth. So. These presentations of the awards will take

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place at the mayor's annual New Year's Levy, which will

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be Sunday, January 11, at the bear State, opens at

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130. Everyone is welcome. We have three deputations

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today, and the first one is from the Collingwood climate

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action team. Welcome. Yeah, just a moment. Catherine, Clark

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has been okay. Thank you. Just to let the audience

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know. Through our gallery that we do have a room

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that's open just outside the council chambers. Called the brand

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of room, where the same information is being shared and

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displayed on a screen in there. If anybody who doesn't

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have a seat and wants to sit down, it is

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available. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Could you just state your

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name and why you're here? Thank you. My name is

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Catherine. Diam, the chair of the board for the Collingwood

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climate action team, and I'm here. To make a funding

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request. Good afternoon, everyone. Your honor, Mayor Hamlin, Deputy Mayor

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Friar, Counselor, staff, and those in the audience before we

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begin. I wanted to acknowledge the strong and trusting partnership

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we've built with the town of Collingwood. Since 2019. Partnerships

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like this just don't happen overnight. They take time, commitment,

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and two parties willing to show up equally at the

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table together. We've. Fostered a relationship, grounded and respectful dialogue,

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shared problem solving, and a clear understanding of what the

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climate crisis means for our community. We're also deeply grateful

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for the financial support the town has provided since 2020.

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The $20,000 contribution in 2022 gave us the confidence to

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take an important step hiring Laura. Vermander as our part

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time communications coronary. That role has since grown into our

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director. Of community engagement. A key position that strengthens our

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connection with residents. and we seriously appreciate the continued funding

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in 2024 and 25 Now, we are here today to

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request secure funding for the next three years as a

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community climate. Action plan moves into implementation in 2026. This

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is a pivotal moment, one where stable support will ensure

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continuity, capacity, and meaningful action as we work alongside the

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town and its citizens to deliver. On the goals of

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the plan. Next slide. Since 2019, the Collingwood Climate Action

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team has partnered closely with the town to advance climate

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action, build awareness and help create a healthy, resilient community.

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As Collingwood moves into implementation of its community climate action

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plan in 2026. Sea Cat's role, along with our volunteers,

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committees, and programs will be a core component of its

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capacity to make crow progress. Next slide. Today we are

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requesting. $40,000 per year for three years. $25,000 for core

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operational support, including partial funding of our director of community

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engagement and $15,000 to support CCAT's three core programs directly

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tied to the implementation. Of the Collingwood Climate Action Plan.

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We are suggesting that the funding could come from the

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Green Legacy Reserve fund with no impact on. The town's

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operating budget. Next slide. We have a track record in

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alignment with the town. Seeing Cat played an active role

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in developing the climate action plan. Our director of community

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engagement served on the town's project team through every stage.

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For five years, CCAT has delivered educational and action oriented

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programming that complements municipal climate work. And directly supports community

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participation. Our programs align closely with priority options within the

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town's plan and help ensure. A successful transition from planning

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to implementation. Next slide. While the town will take the

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role of facilitating the implementation of the community climate auction

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plan, It is a community wide responsibility requiring meaningful leadership

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from community organizations. CCAT is poised to be one of

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the primary leaders in community driven implementation, engaging residents, volunteers

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partners and businesses. Next slide. Our existing programs, climate connect,

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better homes, greener future, green Economy Canada and our annual

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community mobilization event Earthfest, along with our working teams and

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volunteers, will be important in supporting the planned success. These

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programs are a core element of our strategic plan and

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aligns with the initiatives that the Collingwood Climate community climate

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action plan outline and its implementation. We've also ensured our

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programming is easily accessible to all. We don't charge for

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attending workshops, seminars. We provide free access to resources, tools,

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and support, and we encourage members to join as volunteers

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and get involved. Along the way. I'm also proud to

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say that one of our volunteers has just become one

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of our board members. And she's in the audience. Bianca

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Creek, Earth's last. We'll be celebrating. Its fifth anniversary in

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2026 and continues to grow annually. Annually, both in participation

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and programming, to meet a broad community audience. Next slide.

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Operational security strengthens our fundraising capacity. When our core operations

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are supported, we can focus external fundraising on program expansion,

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ensuring that donor and foundation dollars go directly to programs

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and have greater impact. Next slide. With town support. It

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strengthens our credibility with funders. A predictable municipal commitment signals

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that Collingwood recognizes CCAT as an essential partner in building

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the sustainable and resilient future. It aligns with how the

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town already supports other key nonprofits. Several community organizations such

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as Pride, GTHs, and Special Olympics have received multi year

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town support, providing similar stability to CCAT ensures climate auction

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is resourced as our other priority. Community initiatives next slide.

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It also reduces pressure on town staff to extend a

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higher level of effort. In the community plan. Stable cCAP

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funding allows the climate change spousalist another staff to focus

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on internal policy, corporate initiatives such as climate, lens integration,

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implementation across departments, and effective facilitation efforts rather than becoming

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involved with direct implementation efforts. While CCAT continues to build

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and lead key community. Engagement and mobilization. Next slide. CCAT

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respectfully asks the town of Collingwood to provide a three

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year commitment. Of $40,000 per year, which could come from

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the Green Legacy Reserve fund. This investment recognizes the town's

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commitment to their declaration of a climate crisis Ccat's. Essential

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role in implementing the community climate action plan and our

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shared vision of a safe, healthy and resilient future for

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everyone in Collingwood. Next slide. I'll take any questions that

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you have. Thank you. Thank you very much, Catherine. Would

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anyone like to ask questions? Go ahead, Councilor Dougherty. Thank

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you, chair. And thank you, Catherine. Our climate action team

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do such incredible work in our community, and I know

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how hard you all work at it, so congratulations. Thank

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you. Just wanted to be reminded as to what your

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funding was last year. Through the council grant, we received

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$7,984.14. Sure wasn't $0.15. No, it was not 15.

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Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Go ahead. Deputy

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MeL thank you, Mayor Hamillon, and thank you very much

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for the presentation and everything that the team is doing.

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I wondered if I could ask for you. Mayor Hamlin

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to the treasurer. Could she update us? On how much

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is in the green legacy fund that I guess at

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the end of 24. Would be last recorded. Thank you.

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Treasure. Thank you, Mayor Hamlin three you to the deputy

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mayor. I would be happy to at the end of

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2024, there was 1 million. 82,513, and interest that was

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allocated to this reserve fund in 2024 was $35,833 thank

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you. Thank you, Mayor Hamlet. It's just good information to

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have. In regards to the presentation. Thank you. Thank you.

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Okay. Thank you for your presentation and taking. The time

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to come here today. Okay. Thank you. Do you still

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have something? not to catherine but thank you just through

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the process i'm assuming this is just going to go

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directly to the budget process then and we'll bring it

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up there okay thank you okay thank you very much

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everyone thank you The next deputation is Janet Carlyle. Objection

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to proposed motion on protest.

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It's a long time since I've done something like this.

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So if I stumble. I stumble. Thank you, everybody, for

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allowing me to have my time here. Madam Mayer, I

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don't know. Where to put this. Members of council. People

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in the assembly and people online. Thank you for hearing

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me out today. And thank you for the opportunity to

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be here. I am speaking collectively. For not just myself,

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quite a few people within the community and Simcoe County.

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Greater community and I will start out we object. This

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motion before you today was allegedly brought forth because five

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old white folks. I am one of those from this

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town stood on the boulevard at CCI, protesting the. Presence

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of the Friends of Simon Wesenthal Center, a group that

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many prominent groups, including independent jewish voices and Avi Lewis,

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who is the son of Stephen Lewis and Michelle Landberg.

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Have a criticized in recent months for its political ties

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to a foreign nation. That would be Israel delivering Holocaust

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education to students while muslim arab voices are silenced in

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Canada. However. Who is not what this is about. When

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I spoke to Madam mayor on Friday, and we had

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a great conversation at length, that was about an hour

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long. She indicated this rally was simply the straw that

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broke this camel's back and that the so to speak,

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that it was actually about the continued rallies that we

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had been holding downtown. Since May 10. This is about

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free speech. This is about our right. Our collective right

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as a community to be able to speak up. To

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about your free speech. It's about my speech? My free

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speech. And it's. About free speech for every other Canadian.

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So let's talk about the elephant in the room. We

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object. What this is really about, as stated earlier, is

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the weekly rallies near town hall and an attempt to

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shut them down. We object. I have been told that

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this is about businesses in this town claiming they're losing

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customers. Because of the rallies. Haven't heard from many customers,

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haven't heard from many businesses. I have reached out to

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the businesses. I have not heard anything back. What about

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the palestinian businesses? And there are a few in this

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town. Whose owners have been harassed at the farmers market

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and elsewhere. Nobody's speaking up for them. We object. I

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have been told that this is about excessive noise and

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or nuisance. At what point is a noise a nuisance?

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Is it during the summer when the pianos are out

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an unskilled players bang away at the keys. Is it

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when art crawl is on? And folks are singing with

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the bands. Is it when an amateur musician is playing

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at the farmers? Market. Is it when bagpipes practice at

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Sunset Park? What constitutes a nuisance and who gets to

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decide that? This is about free speech. We object. I've

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been told that this is about children's mental health. In

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fact, the headline from the recent Collingwood connection article reads,

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leave the kids alone. And according to the mayor and

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Ms. Feldman this is relative to the mental health of

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the children who are being affected by us being downtown.

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We object. We. Are all aware that mental health issues

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are growing, especially since the pandemic and lockdowns the data

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points to several reasons for this. Advocates say youth mental

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health has been in decline over the last decade. The

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pandemic certainly exacerbated these issues, leading to significant drops in

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physical activity and socialization, particularly among girls. Excessive screen time.

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Worries about the state of the world climate change have

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further added to the problem. We are sympathetic to all

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children's well being and concern that those who wish to

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put this motion to infect. Are inferring we somehow are

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responsible for the mental health of every child in this

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community. That's preposterous. This is about free speech. We object.

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I have been told that this is about us staying

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away from areas where someone might be offended. The law

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is clear. You do not have the right to not

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be offended. It is not illegal to be offended. A

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story. When I was getting treatment at Princess Margaret hospital

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during Covid lockdowns, there were rallies. Almost every day in

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the city. Some in front of PMH, some down at

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Sanofi. Square, some at the Eaton center, organized by Antivaxx

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folks, some directed towards staff trying to enter. The hospital,

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some directed toward patients trying to get our treatments. Some

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because of the masking up rules. Was I offended? Maybe.

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Did I call the mayor and the police and the

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papers and insist they shut it down. No. I do

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not have the right to not be offended. This is

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about free speech. We object? This motion was presented to

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town council on November 17. I was not advised of

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this. I am the founder of the Collingwood for Palestine

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rally group. Instagram social media did not hear anything about

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this. However, other people were notified. Several of us have

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00:34:48,431 --> 00:34:52,071
been speaking with town counselors since then. From what I've

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00:34:52,071 --> 00:34:54,511
been told not one was aware of why this was

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being brought up forward. And a few of them have

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00:34:57,191 --> 00:34:59,951
said. They would have said yes without really thinking any

472
00:34:59,951 --> 00:35:02,071
deeper, because they didn't think. It was such a big

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00:35:02,071 --> 00:35:08,531
deal. This is about free speech. We object. One of

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the counselors at the end of that meeting on November

475
00:35:10,771 --> 00:35:13,971
7 said, I know we're not supposed to say anything,

476
00:35:13,971 --> 00:35:18,102
but I agree with this. He's referring to the issue

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00:35:18,102 --> 00:35:24,114
of our rallies. How many other counselors had been influenced

478
00:35:24,114 --> 00:35:30,682
by his words. This is about. Free speech. We object.

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00:35:30,682 --> 00:35:32,522
The mayor has said you can protest in front of

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00:35:32,522 --> 00:35:36,042
me all day long, but leave. The kids alone. You

481
00:35:36,042 --> 00:35:41,518
know who else said that? Roger Waters. Pink Floyd. Is

482
00:35:41,518 --> 00:35:43,798
this the proposed bylaw? Just another brick in the wall.

483
00:35:45,327 --> 00:35:49,315
This is about free speech. What about the mental health?

484
00:35:49,315 --> 00:35:53,225
The Muslim Arab students? Did they not matter? No one's

485
00:35:53,225 --> 00:35:57,329
speaking up for them. We object. According to our next

486
00:35:57,329 --> 00:36:00,809
esteemed speaker, Michelle Feldman is quoted in a Collingwood connection

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00:36:00,809 --> 00:36:05,625
article this week. I support freedom of expression, but there

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00:36:05,625 --> 00:36:10,164
should be boundaries. Creating protocols and boundaries on how people

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00:36:10,164 --> 00:36:14,084
express themselves is in the best interests of the community.

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00:36:14,084 --> 00:36:18,924
We agree. That is why Collingwood has stringently enforced protections

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00:36:18,924 --> 00:36:24,044
for marginalized folks and laws against harassment, hate speech and

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00:36:24,044 --> 00:36:28,084
violence. That our children should feel protected and be safe

493
00:36:28,084 --> 00:36:31,662
is not in question. However, this is not about freedom

494
00:36:31,662 --> 00:36:35,738
of expression. This is about freedom of. Speech. Freedom of

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00:36:35,738 --> 00:36:39,378
expression is a broader concept that includes all forms of

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00:36:39,378 --> 00:36:47,919
communication, such as speech. Writing. Artistic work demonstrations. While freedom

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00:36:47,919 --> 00:36:53,850
of speech is often used interchangeably, Can specifically refer to

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00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:59,647
the right to voice opinions verbally. This is about free

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00:36:59,647 --> 00:37:03,975
speech. We object. And if any of our esteemed members

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00:37:03,975 --> 00:37:13,782
in this audience who are watching. Are. Of. Color? Indigenous

501
00:37:13,782 --> 00:37:18,382
members of the LGBTQ two s a community asian, south

502
00:37:18,382 --> 00:37:21,262
Asian, a pensioner standing on the side of the road

503
00:37:21,262 --> 00:37:25,142
in front of Park Bridge, protesting rent hikes. A farmer

504
00:37:25,142 --> 00:37:28,342
protesting for the rights of canadian farmers and rural communities.

505
00:37:29,439 --> 00:37:34,231
A person with disabilities. Who objects to the ODSP amounts

506
00:37:34,231 --> 00:37:37,991
or accessibility issues in this town, or if you are

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00:37:37,991 --> 00:37:41,151
a person who speaks up for climate change. You're opposed

508
00:37:41,151 --> 00:37:43,471
to bill c nine or c. Five. Or if you

509
00:37:43,471 --> 00:37:45,791
have a person who's concerned about, just so you know,

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00:37:45,791 --> 00:37:48,391
you have 1 minute left. Thank you. The watershed, the

511
00:37:48,391 --> 00:37:55,636
water treatment plant or the DND? Site. We object. To

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00:37:55,636 --> 00:37:59,276
the community who enjoy Pride weekend. When Pride first started

513
00:37:59,276 --> 00:38:02,036
in this town, it was because of protests. Now it's

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00:38:02,036 --> 00:38:05,356
a parade. I'll leave you with two quotes, one from

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00:38:05,356 --> 00:38:07,876
a young lady who lost her life during the Holocaust.

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00:38:07,876 --> 00:38:10,865
You will know her name. One who lost her life

517
00:38:10,865 --> 00:38:13,585
during the genocide in Gaza. You will probably not know

518
00:38:13,585 --> 00:38:17,745
her name. Anne. Frank. Whoever is happy will make others

519
00:38:17,745 --> 00:38:20,225
happy in the long run. The sharpest weapon of all.

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00:38:20,225 --> 00:38:24,831
Is a kind and gentle spirit. Hindrajab, the six year

521
00:38:24,831 --> 00:38:27,351
old child in Gaza whose family was murdered in their

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00:38:27,351 --> 00:38:30,071
car while she was even in it. Don't leave me

523
00:38:30,071 --> 00:38:33,951
alone, mama. I'm hungry. I'm. Thirsty. I am wounded. Her

524
00:38:33,951 --> 00:38:36,991
last words, recorded and spoken by the Red Crescent workers

525
00:38:36,991 --> 00:38:41,031
who were murdered trying to save her. I'm so scared.

526
00:38:41,031 --> 00:38:44,562
Please come. Come take me. Please. Will you come? And

527
00:38:44,562 --> 00:38:48,802
nobody could because they were silenced. This is about free

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00:38:48,802 --> 00:38:54,042
speech for everybody in this town, not just some thank

529
00:38:54,042 --> 00:38:58,079
you for your time. Thank you. Should I be taking

530
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:06,372
questions now? Would there be any questions?

531
00:39:08,312 --> 00:39:10,552
No, I think you're good. Thank you. Thank you.

532
00:39:28,264 --> 00:39:30,264
The next deputation this afternoon is Rochelle Feldman.

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00:39:42,756 --> 00:39:46,396
Few breaths. Okay. Usually I have my husband flipping the

534
00:39:46,396 --> 00:39:50,451
slide, so I'm not sure how. This is working. Just

535
00:39:50,451 --> 00:39:54,211
say next slide. Slide, please. Okay. Good afternoon, Mayor Hamlin

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00:39:54,211 --> 00:39:57,531
and members of council. My name. Is Rochelle Feldman, and

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I'm the chair of the Southern Georgian Bay jewish community.

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I come before you today to speak both as an

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00:40:02,771 --> 00:40:05,691
executive board member but also as a jewish mother and

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concern community member. That was slide one. And now we

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can skip to slide two. For those of you who

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00:40:13,147 --> 00:40:15,947
may not know this. We have a vibrant, inclusive and

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00:40:15,947 --> 00:40:18,227
peaceful group of jewish people and families living here. In

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00:40:18,227 --> 00:40:21,147
Collingwood and the surrounding areas. Here are the kinds of

545
00:40:21,147 --> 00:40:23,227
things that the southern Georgian Bay jewish community have been

546
00:40:23,227 --> 00:40:26,827
doing in and around Collingwood, we believe and support Inc.

547
00:40:27,688 --> 00:40:31,778
Inclusion, equity and diversity and actively promote peace and community

548
00:40:31,778 --> 00:40:35,258
connection. We also happen to be local business owners, real

549
00:40:35,258 --> 00:40:39,258
estate agents, doctors, teachers, lawyers and therapists, just to name

550
00:40:39,258 --> 00:40:41,658
a few of our roles. I make mention of this

551
00:40:41,658 --> 00:40:43,618
to say that not only do we live in peace

552
00:40:43,618 --> 00:40:46,698
and togetherness, with our neighbors, but that we continue to

553
00:40:46,698 --> 00:40:49,472
play essential roles in the building. And the strengthening of

554
00:40:49,472 --> 00:40:53,302
the communities in which we live. Slide three would have

555
00:40:53,302 --> 00:40:58,062
been some antisemitic posts that you would find on the

556
00:40:58,062 --> 00:41:04,441
social media sites for Collingwood, for Palestine. And Simcoe for

557
00:41:04,441 --> 00:41:10,815
Palestine. But they referenced particular people, and so they won't

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00:41:10,815 --> 00:41:14,125
be publicly shown. This is all despite the fact that

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00:41:14,125 --> 00:41:16,845
there are geopolitical events occurring at this time that have

560
00:41:16,845 --> 00:41:21,125
caused an unprecedented rise in antisemitism not seen since 1940s

561
00:41:21,125 --> 00:41:24,125
in Europe. But we're not here today to discuss this

562
00:41:24,125 --> 00:41:27,485
or even to defend the truth. The geopolitical problems happening

563
00:41:27,485 --> 00:41:30,965
halfway around the world, or even people's opinions and perspectives

564
00:41:30,965 --> 00:41:33,732
on the matter. Living here in Collingwood. Are, in fact,

565
00:41:33,732 --> 00:41:38,584
irrelevant to the issue at hand. Slide four. There is

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no question that we're all in support and recognize the

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00:41:40,744 --> 00:41:42,704
importance of the Canadian Charter of Rights and the need

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00:41:42,704 --> 00:41:46,584
to protect our freedom of expression, association and assembly in

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00:41:46,584 --> 00:41:49,464
section two. B, C and D of the charter. We

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00:41:49,464 --> 00:41:52,704
support council in upholding these rights. However, I'm here to

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00:41:52,704 --> 00:41:55,864
discuss the absolute need to address the inappropriate and disturbing

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00:41:55,864 --> 00:41:58,726
ways in which some of our neighbors, mainly members. Of

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00:41:58,726 --> 00:42:02,406
Simcoe for Palestine and Collingwood for Palestine are choosing to

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00:42:02,406 --> 00:42:05,366
exercise said rights under the guise of freedom of speech.

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00:42:06,590 --> 00:42:08,910
What we're all entitled to freedom of expression and to

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00:42:08,910 --> 00:42:12,670
associate with like minded individuals and. Organizations to assemble privately

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00:42:12,670 --> 00:42:15,550
or publicly to do so. We do not have the

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00:42:15,550 --> 00:42:18,990
right to violate our town bylaws while doing so, nor

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00:42:18,990 --> 00:42:21,230
do we have the right to violate other people's. Basic

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00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:24,630
human rights according to the Ontario Human Rights Code. Some

581
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:27,929
jurisprudence has already found that leg. Legal measures affecting freedom

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00:42:27,929 --> 00:42:31,009
of assembly through the reasonable regulation of public space and

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00:42:31,009 --> 00:42:34,889
associated health and safety. Matters do not infringe on the

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00:42:34,889 --> 00:42:38,329
charter right to freedom of expression. Section two C. Reference

585
00:42:38,329 --> 00:42:42,809
Canada's Department of Justice and the center for constitutional studies

586
00:42:42,809 --> 00:42:45,689
as a possible alternative to adopting a bubble zone by

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00:42:45,689 --> 00:42:49,040
law, although I'm not opposed. To that, of course. It

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00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,480
may be less labor intensive to consider amending our current

589
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:58,833
public nuisance bylaw and actually enforcing it. Slide five. The

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00:42:58,833 --> 00:43:02,073
town of Collingwood in 2013 attempted to address some of

591
00:43:02,073 --> 00:43:04,913
the possible concerns when they signed a public nuisance bylaw,

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00:43:04,913 --> 00:43:14,659
2013. that specifically indicates that no

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00:43:14,659 --> 00:43:17,419
person shall loiter in any public place no person shall

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00:43:17,419 --> 00:43:19,979
participate in a fight in a public place and no

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00:43:19,979 --> 00:43:22,779
person shall engage with any type of disorderly conduct in

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any public place some of the definitions of disorderly conduct

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according to this bylaw means causing a public disturbance and

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without the limiting The generality of the foregoing includes yelling,

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00:43:30,110 --> 00:43:35,150
screaming, shouting, singing, swearing, and interfaith fearing with reasonable enjoyment

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of someone else at a public place. I'd like to

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also note that newsin shall mean an activity that causes

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00:43:41,110 --> 00:43:43,910
an unsafe environment and affects the well being of persons.

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Or enjoyment of a public place and shall be limited

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to the activities. Described in section 30. Slide seven would

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have been a video. That basically was a bit of

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a montage of some clips of some of the protests

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00:43:59,745 --> 00:44:03,665
that have happened? Yes, at the school, but also downtown

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to show you sort of the yelling, the screaming. The

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swearing, the assaults that are occurring, the threats, but it

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apparently wasn't considered. Appropriate for counsel, which I totally support

611
00:44:17,694 --> 00:44:19,854
and understand, and I don't feel like that's. An infringement

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00:44:19,854 --> 00:44:22,774
on my freedom of speech, but I will say that

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00:44:22,774 --> 00:44:26,694
if it's not. Appropriate here in chambers. It's equally inappropriate

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00:44:26,694 --> 00:44:30,438
outside of chambers. As the chair of the Southern Georgian

615
00:44:30,438 --> 00:44:32,478
Bay Jewish Community, I can report on some of what

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00:44:32,478 --> 00:44:35,598
is actually taking place at these gatherings by our protesters.

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In the video, which I'm happy to share with anyone

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00:44:40,085 --> 00:44:44,705
that contacts me directly. You will see unruly behavior, shoving

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00:44:44,705 --> 00:44:50,705
of bystanders, antisemitic shouts calling. Jewish people, Nazis, disorderly conduct

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00:44:50,705 --> 00:44:54,225
and nuisance activity in a public space, all in contravention.

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00:44:54,225 --> 00:45:00,074
Of Collingwood's 2013 public nuisance bylaw. Slide eight. This is

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00:45:00,074 --> 00:45:03,314
not peaceful assembly and has moved beyond the scope covered

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00:45:03,314 --> 00:45:05,434
under the Charter of Rights and protected by the law

624
00:45:05,434 --> 00:45:08,674
according to Canada's Department of Justice. Now, let's talk about

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00:45:08,674 --> 00:45:11,594
the impact this is having on our community. They've ruined

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00:45:11,594 --> 00:45:14,474
our full enjoyment of the market. In downtown on weekends

627
00:45:14,474 --> 00:45:18,074
because of their theatrics and hostility. They have harassed, threatened

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00:45:18,074 --> 00:45:21,790
and intimidated people shopping. And passing by the gathering on

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00:45:21,790 --> 00:45:25,030
the sidewalk, whether they were jewish or not, with shouting

630
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:28,830
and swearing. And yelling. Why? Banging on pots and pans.

631
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They've caused a security concern for a community such that

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00:45:31,630 --> 00:45:34,070
we have to involve the police in all public events

633
00:45:34,070 --> 00:45:37,790
involving jewish people. Or jewish organizations because our members are

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00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:40,910
afraid for their physical safety. Our children don't feel safe

635
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:44,710
at school because the protesters behavior and harassment tourists are

636
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:47,550
avoiding the downtown core because it's no longer a quaint

637
00:45:47,550 --> 00:45:50,870
town, but a town with unhinged and angry people projecting

638
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:54,150
their instability and hate onto anyone that happens to challenge

639
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:58,262
their facts. These protester. Protesters have disrupted, threatened to, and

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00:45:58,262 --> 00:46:03,142
actually assaulted locals when questioned. Our elders are being retraumatized.

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00:46:03,142 --> 00:46:06,262
By the open displays of hate against the jewish community,

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00:46:06,262 --> 00:46:08,822
reminiscent of a time in history that resulted in entire

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00:46:08,822 --> 00:46:11,782
families being wiped out. A time that none of us

644
00:46:11,782 --> 00:46:15,822
ever thought we would ever see again in our lifetimes.

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00:46:15,822 --> 00:46:18,193
Kids are afraid. To go downtown or to the market

646
00:46:18,193 --> 00:46:21,887
for fear of. Confrontation, and jewish families are reporting that

647
00:46:21,887 --> 00:46:24,767
their children are afraid to place menorahs in windows. Or

648
00:46:24,767 --> 00:46:29,007
to visibly and publicly identifies Jewish in Collingwood for fear

649
00:46:29,007 --> 00:46:32,247
of the hate and harassment they might be met with.

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I've had to start a support group for people struggling

651
00:46:35,007 --> 00:46:38,287
with the increase. Of antisemitism, and 30% of the people

652
00:46:38,287 --> 00:46:41,697
in attendance are not even. Jewish, even the non jewish

653
00:46:41,697 --> 00:46:43,857
community is suffering with having to deal with the same

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00:46:43,857 --> 00:46:46,977
harassment that we are. And yet not knowing how to

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00:46:46,977 --> 00:46:50,457
stand up for what's right without becoming a target. Themselves

656
00:46:50,457 --> 00:46:52,977
as a mental health professional, I'll tell you that these

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00:46:52,977 --> 00:46:57,101
types of disruptive and aggressive public gatherings. Absolutely are negatively

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00:46:57,101 --> 00:47:00,901
impacting the sense of safety, actual safety, and certainly the

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00:47:00,901 --> 00:47:04,381
overall well being of the community as a whole. Harassing,

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00:47:04,381 --> 00:47:11,061
threatening, intimidating, scaring, retraumatizing, assaulting. Verbally attacking people in our

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00:47:11,061 --> 00:47:15,901
community has caused anxiety, fear and depression. And when people

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00:47:15,901 --> 00:47:19,668
become depress. Depressed, they withdraw and isolate, thereby increasing their

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00:47:19,668 --> 00:47:23,308
risk of harming behaviors, all of which ultimately increases a

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00:47:23,308 --> 00:47:27,348
person's risk of suicide. This is not peaceful assembly and

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00:47:27,348 --> 00:47:30,588
association and how we exercise. Our right to freedom of

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00:47:30,588 --> 00:47:34,148
speech. Slide nine. I would like to ask council to

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00:47:34,148 --> 00:47:36,468
bring a motion. To make amendments to its current nuisance

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00:47:36,468 --> 00:47:39,708
bylaw. To include specifically listing school zones in your definition

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00:47:39,708 --> 00:47:42,508
of public places. I'd also like to see an update

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00:47:42,508 --> 00:47:45,388
to the term violence that will now reflect the term

671
00:47:45,388 --> 00:47:47,868
adopted in the family law. Courts that would encompass a

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00:47:47,868 --> 00:47:50,988
broader definition. This would include violence in all of its

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00:47:50,988 --> 00:47:56,508
forms, physical, psychological, emotional and verbal examples of such might

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00:47:56,508 --> 00:48:00,434
be. And include harassment, stalking, surveillance, and trolling a person

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00:48:00,434 --> 00:48:06,074
or group or organization. Physical aggression, threatening, intimidating. Or verbally

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00:48:06,074 --> 00:48:08,674
attacking a person or group with the use of swear

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words or derogatory terms. Slide ten. I come here today

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to ask on behalf of all members of the Collingwood

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00:48:14,934 --> 00:48:19,827
community, to make it stop. Amend and strongly enforce your

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00:48:19,827 --> 00:48:23,587
bylaws in a matter that achieves just balance while considering

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the interests of the rest of us who are just

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00:48:25,547 --> 00:48:28,347
trying to live in peace and enjoy all that our

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00:48:28,347 --> 00:48:31,027
town has to offer. And if making an amendment to

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your current nuisance bylaw, is not possible. Then consider a

685
00:48:34,027 --> 00:48:36,627
bubble zone by law, like the ones in Toronto and

686
00:48:36,627 --> 00:48:40,551
Vaughn, but. Most. Importantly, take back your power to protect

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and regulate public health and safety and well being of

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00:48:43,591 --> 00:48:48,231
our community. According to Canada's Department of Justice, municipalities have

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00:48:48,231 --> 00:48:51,631
the right to regulate or interfere with the activities the

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00:48:51,631 --> 00:48:56,511
association, group, or protesters choose to pursue, including but not

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00:48:56,511 --> 00:48:59,876
limited to behaviors Act. Actions and locations the group undertakes.

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I'm happy to provide any resources needed or references to

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any of these things, and I will state that these

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are not my opinions. I have sought legal counsel. That's

695
00:49:11,658 --> 00:49:15,316
it. Thank you. Thank you. Would there be any questions?

696
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,520
No, I think we're good. Thank you very much for

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coming today.

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If anyone wants to leave now, feel free.

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The next item on our agenda is a public planning

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meeting, and there's quite a long intro. I have to

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read, so I'll get started here. Welcome to Collingwood's public

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planning meeting for proposed official plan and zoning bylaw amendments

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for the property. At 11403 Highway 26, located on the

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south side of Highway 26. No decision will be made

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this afternoon. The purpose of this meeting is to introduce

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and obtain public comments on the proposed official plan and

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zoning bylaw amendments. The meeting will begin with presentations by

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staff and the applicant. Members of the public will then

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be invited to offer their comments or questions regarding the

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proposal. Once the public portion of the meeting has been

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completed. No more public comments or questions will be allowed.

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At today's meeting. I will then ask council. Members if

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they have any questions. Once all public and counselor questions

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and comments have been received, staff will have an opportunity

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to respond. Or provide clarification, if appropriate. All questions and

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comments specific to the proposed official plan and zoning bylaw

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amendments will be addressed in a future staff report. It

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is very important the town receives the correct names, email

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addresses and mailing addresses of. The individuals having an interest

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in this application. If you plan to speak to council

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at this meeting or if you want to be notified

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of any future council or committee meetings concerning the application

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being considered, you must provide this information. Public comment and

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feedback on development proposals are important to the town of

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Collingwood and are in a core part of a transparent

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and inclusive land use planning process. We encourage you to

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express comments, verbally or in writing. However, please note that

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the rights of third parties. To appeal official planning zoning

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bylaw amendment decisions to the Ontario Land Tribunal have been

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restricted under the Planning act. If you do not make

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an oral submission today or a written submission to council

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before the council decision. You may not be added as

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a party to the appeal before the Ontario land tribunal

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unless in the opinion of. The tribunal, there are reasonable

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grounds to do so. This meeting is being recorded and

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streamed on the municipal YouTube channel. Your name, address, comments

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and other personal information are being recorded according to the

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municipal act and the municipal freedom of information. And Protection

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of Privacy Act. The minutes will be available to the

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general public on the town's website. I will ask the

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planning services also confirm the notification that the public has

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been given as required. By the planning act within their

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presentation today. Again, I would like to remind everyone that

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no decision will be made today and the official plan

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and zoning bylaw amendments will be considered by council. On

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a future date. I will now turn over the microphone

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to community planner Wainwright. Welcome. Staff and members of the

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public. My name is Jocelyn Wainwright, and I'm the community

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planner. Assigned to the file for the proposed official plan

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and zoning bylaw amendments for lands municipally addressed as one

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1403 Highway 26, also known as Reverie. This public meeting

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is a statutory requirement under the Planning act. Next slide,

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please. The agenda for this afternoon will follow the town's

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standard public meeting format. Mayor Hamlin. Has already introduced the

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public meeting. The remainder of the meeting will consist of

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confirmation of public notice. Overview of the town's development review

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process, a summary of the applications provided by staff and

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a brief presentation by the applicants. There will then be

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time for public comments and questions, followed by council comments

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and questions. Next slide please. In accordance with the Planning

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Act, I confirm that a notice of public meeting was

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circulated to internal and external agencies on October 31, 2025,

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and was also published in the Collingwood today online newspaper

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on October 29. And amended notice was published on November

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5. The amended notice was published to include legislatively required

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language that was absent from the original notice. This satisfies

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the statutory notice requirement under the Planning act. Additionally, as

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a courtesy, the notice and amended notice were mailed to

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the property owners. And condominium corporations within. 120 meters of

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the subject property. Next slide, please. Before getting into a

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discussion on the current proposal, I wanted to provide a

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high level overview of the property's development history. In 2022,

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council approved a vacant land condo for the entirety of

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the property. At that time, council also granted site plan

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approval and servicing allocation for the residences at Silver Creek

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which is the development located on the western half of

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the property and is comprised of three apartment buildings containing

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187 rental apartment units. From the outset, a townhouse development

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has been contemplated for the eastern half of the property.

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However, when council made its decision in September of 2022,

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There was insufficient servicing capacity available to facilitate the approval

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of the entire development across the whole property. So only

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the apartments were approved at that time. With additional servicing

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capacity available in 2023. A site plan consisting of twelve

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buildings with a total of 60 bungalow townhouse units for

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the east lands was conditionally approved by the director of

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growth and development and servicing allocation was approved by council.

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Fast forward to December of 2024. The proponent. In light

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american conditions submitted a pre consultation application for official plan

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and zoning bylaw amendments to facilitate a revised development concept

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for the Eastlands. Which brings us to the current point

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in time. Next slide, please. This slide provides a general

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overview of the town's development review process. The steps highlighted

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in blue have been completed. As noted, the applicant had

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initiated pre consultation with staff. Last winter and formal official

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plan and zoning bylaw amendment applications were submitted in September,

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2025. The submission was circulated to all internal departments, external

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agencies and peer reviewers for technical review and comment. The

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amended notice of public meeting was subsequently circulated and published

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on November 5, 2025. This brings us to step six,

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the statutory public meeting, and this afternoon we will receive

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comments from members of the public on the proposed official

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plan and zoning bylaw amendments. Next slide, please. The subject

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property is located on the south side of Highway 26

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and is located southwest of the town owned Carmichael Reservoir.

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The subject development is within the broader residences at Silver

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Creek development. Surrounding land uses include residential condominium developments, including

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lighthouse Point to the North Rupert's landing to the east

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and wild wood to the south. The proposed development includes

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twelve one and a half story stack townhouse buildings containing

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124 dwelling units, 149 service parking spaces includ. Including four

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accessible parking spaces, an outdoor amenity area and site landscaping

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are also proposed. Next slide, please. The conceptual site plan

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shown on the screen was received from the applicant in

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support of the subject. Application submitted in September. The staff

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townhouse units are grouped within twelve buildings or blocks. The

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parking area contains 149 parking spaces, including four accessible spaces,

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and site landscaping is also provided. further cash in lieu

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of parkland was provided through the broader development application notwithstanding

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The development proposes an outdoor amenity area, shown here with

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a children's play structure. Next slide, please. This slide includes

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a conceptual rendering of one of the proposed one and

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a half story stack townhouse buildings. The building on display

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would include eight units, four of which would be partially

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below grade. And the remaining four units would be wholly

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above grade. Next slide, please. This slide shows the applicable

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land use designations in the 2024 official plan. The portion

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of the subject property where the development is proposed is

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designated existing neighborhoods. The intent of the existing neighborhood's. Designation

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is two, among other matters, provide housing in a variety

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of residential forms. Such as apartment buildings, townhouses, single, detached

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and semi detached dwellings. The existing neighborhood's designation permits residential

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units in both low rise and mid rise buildings. Built.

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Forums that are considered to be low rise include, but

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are not limited to single detached dwellings duplex and semidetached

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dwellings, streets, townhouses, and any other use that is accommodated.

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In a building that is a maximum of three stories

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or 11 meters in height, whichever is less. The new

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official plan permits mid rise buildings with a maximum height

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of eight stories or 27 meters. Whichever is less. As

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of right, however, the developer is maintaining the original low

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rise building form that was contemplated previously. Next slide, please.

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The proposed residential development includes one and a half story

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tall stack tone house buildings, which fall under the low

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rise building category. The official plan provides that low rise

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building shall have a minimum density of ten units per

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net. Hectare and a maximum density of 40 units per

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net hectare. The purpose of the proposed official plan amendment

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is to redesignate the subject lands. Sorry. Can you go

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back one slide? Thank you. The purpose of the proposed

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official plan amendment is to redesign. Redesignate the subject lands

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from existing neighborhoods to an existing neighborhood. Site specific designation

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to increase the maximum permitted density of 40 units per

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net hectare for low rise buildings to permit 68 units

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per hectare to facilitate the proposed one and a half

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story stack. Townhouse buildings. Next slide, please. With respect to

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zoning, the entirety of the property is owned residential. Third

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density exception 33 or r 33. However, the proposed zoning

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bylaw amendment would apply only to the portion of the

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property that is within the development area as shown in

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the figure on the right. Next slide, please. The provisions

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of the r 333 zone specify that the permitted uses

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shall be limited to single, detached dwellings, townhouse dwellings, apartment

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dwellings, and grouper cluster dwellings. As the zoning bylaw defines

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the term stack townhouse, dwelling separately from. A townhouse dwelling

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stack. Townhouse dwellings are not currently. At permitted use on

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the subject property. Therefore, the proposed zoning bylaw amendment would

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amend the r 333 zone to add site specific provisions,

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including that. A stack townhouse dwelling be a permitted use

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and that the stack townhouse development shall require. A minimum

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of 149 parking spaces, including four accessible parking spaces. Next

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slide, please. The town has received comments from Enbridge, Simcoe

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county and the Simcoe County District School board in response

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to the proposed official plan and zoning bylaw amendments. Planning

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services has also received comments from town divisions and peer

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reviewers who are identified on this slide. Further comments are

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anticipated as the technical review continues. Next slide, please. Today

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we have received comments from four members of the public

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with concerns. That primarily relate to the environmental impacts increased

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traffic and density, trespassing, relocation of the roads, on the

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subject, property and landscaping. I would note that two of

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the four comments were received after the publishing of this

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presentation. Concerns from members of the public have been noted

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and will be considered throughout the technical review process. And

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addressed in the future staff report. Next slide, please. The

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next steps for these applications are to review and address

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the public and agency comments and receive the results from

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the remaining peer reviewers. As previously noted, we have received

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landscape architecture peer review results, and we anticipate that comments

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from the town's peer reviewer for traffic will be provided

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through the course of the technical review. Staff will contemplate

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the technical review and provide the applicant. With a compiled

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package of comments. The applicant will review and address the

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comments and make changes. If any based on the comments

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received prior to advancing a staff report to the committee

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of the whole and counsel for consideration. Future applications required

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would include a plan of condominium or condominium exemption application

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as well as a site plan control application. Next slide,

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please. If members of the public have comments regarding the

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subject applications, they can be emailed to me. At jwainwright

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at Collingwood, CA, or mail to the town at the

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address on the slide. You may also voice your comments

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verbally at the public meeting today or at the committee

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of the whole meeting prior to. A decision being made.

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Next slide, please. If any members of the public wish

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to receive notice of council decision or of future meetings

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regarding these applications, please provide your contact details, including your

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name, email and mailing address on the forum. Provided in

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council chambers on the table this afternoon or send me

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an email. At the email address provided on the screen.

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Committee and council meeting schedules and agendas are posted on

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the town's website. Collingwood, Ca. Agendas are posted on the

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town's website Wednesday afternoon prior to a Monday meeting. Thank

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you for your time and attention as I outlined the

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technical details of the application. This concludes my presentation. The

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applicant's agent, Kristin Renney from Georgian Planning Solutions and Jeff

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Robinsons from Reed's heritage homes are here this afternoon and

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would like to. Make a brief presentation regarding this proposal.

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Thank you. Thank you. Community planner Wayne Wright. That was

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excellent. Good afternoon. Thank you. Good afternoon, Madam

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Mayor, members of council. Staff and the public. My name

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is Kristen Rennie from Georgian Planning Solutions. We do have

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a presentation. Can I have it on my screen as

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well, please?

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Okay, I think we're ready. Thank you. Thank you. Next

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slide, please. I would like to introduce our project team

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that we have here with me this afternoon. I'm Kristen

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Renny from Georgian Planning Solutions, and I'm a registered professional

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planner. I also have Jeff Robinson from Reed's Heritage Home,

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who's a senior director of development and Rebecca from Crozia

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Rebecca Alexander Crozier from. Consulting, Crozier Consulting engineers who is

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a project manager with land development. Next slide, please. Read,

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heritage homes and Sherwood homes have been creating communities in

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this area for 20 years. In Collingwood notable projects include

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Royal Windsor and Balmoral, georgian meadows subdivision and silver Glenn.

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Additionally, they also have developments in Thornbury and Georgian Bluffs

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and other surrounding regions. Next sl. Slide, please. As mentioned,

938
01:08:10,881 --> 01:08:13,561
the purpose of the public meeting today is to consider

939
01:08:13,561 --> 01:08:16,601
an official plan, amendment and a zoning bylaw amendment to

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01:08:16,601 --> 01:08:21,081
support a proposed development with twelve bungalow stack townhome homes

941
01:08:21,081 --> 01:08:22,801
that are one and a half stories in height and

942
01:08:22,801 --> 01:08:28,858
providing 124 dwelling units. Next slide, please. Actually, we'll just

943
01:08:28,858 --> 01:08:33,601
flip this slide because Jocelyn covered it. As part of

944
01:08:33,601 --> 01:08:37,001
our complete submission, the following support documents were submitted the

945
01:08:37,001 --> 01:08:41,201
planning justification report and architectural and urban design brief functional

946
01:08:41,201 --> 01:08:45,001
servicing and stormwater management report, a traffic opinion letter, a

947
01:08:45,001 --> 01:08:50,081
landscape plan parking, justification study and elevation drawings. Next slide,

948
01:08:50,081 --> 01:08:54,339
please. So the purpose of the official plan amendment is

949
01:08:54,339 --> 01:08:58,179
to redesignate the subject lands from existing neighborhoods. To existing

950
01:08:58,179 --> 01:09:01,579
neighborhoods exception. The exemption is to increase the density to

951
01:09:01,579 --> 01:09:04,899
permit 68 units per hectare for a low rise residential

952
01:09:04,899 --> 01:09:11,395
building. Only site specific amendment. This is the only site

953
01:09:11,395 --> 01:09:15,131
specific amendment required for the official plan. I just want

954
01:09:15,131 --> 01:09:17,771
to note there are other policies within the official plan

955
01:09:17,771 --> 01:09:20,211
that encourage and support this. Type of development we have

956
01:09:20,211 --> 01:09:24,957
to. Take the whole plan into consideration. Community priorities include

957
01:09:24,957 --> 01:09:27,437
the official plan within the official plan. Note that the

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01:09:27,437 --> 01:09:29,637
town is to provide a full range of housing options.

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01:09:30,983 --> 01:09:33,263
That the town will plan to provide housing options that

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01:09:33,263 --> 01:09:36,463
meet the social, health, economic and wellbeing requirements of the

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01:09:36,463 --> 01:09:39,863
current and future residents that the range and mix of

962
01:09:39,863 --> 01:09:43,783
housing options will accommodate. A full spectrum of housing promoting

963
01:09:43,783 --> 01:09:48,692
compact development and intensification. Intensification will be compatible with the

964
01:09:48,692 --> 01:09:53,052
existing development pattern patterns while supporting the evolution to a

965
01:09:53,052 --> 01:09:57,492
more compact, walkable and transit supportive urban structure to be

966
01:09:57,492 --> 01:10:00,972
a healthy community that is accessible, connected and inclusive, with

967
01:10:00,972 --> 01:10:06,778
a range of housing options. Next slide, please. The purpose

968
01:10:06,778 --> 01:10:09,898
of the zoning bylaw is to rezone the property from

969
01:10:09,898 --> 01:10:14,618
residential third density exception. 33 to residential third density exception.

970
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,920
With an exception to permit the stack townhome dwellings to

971
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:25,320
permit a minimum of 149 parking spaces, including 25 visitor

972
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:29,882
and four accessible spots. But all other zoning standards have

973
01:10:29,882 --> 01:10:33,411
been met. And just on a side note, The ones

974
01:10:33,411 --> 01:10:38,952
that normally are spoken to are maximum lot coverage. Within

975
01:10:38,952 --> 01:10:43,832
the zoning bylaw, which is 45%. We are providing 30.6

976
01:10:43,832 --> 01:10:47,577
and. Related to the landscaping and the open space. The

977
01:10:47,577 --> 01:10:53,177
minimum requirement is 35%, and we're obtaining 38.1%. Next slide,

978
01:10:53,177 --> 01:10:58,035
please. This is the conceptual landscape plan that was shown

979
01:10:58,035 --> 01:11:01,155
earlier as well. So this plan includes the location. Of

980
01:11:01,155 --> 01:11:03,995
the buildings, the landscaping and the park area for the

981
01:11:03,995 --> 01:11:09,051
residents. As well, residents within this development have access to

982
01:11:09,051 --> 01:11:12,451
the broader amenities within the larger development in the area.

983
01:11:13,696 --> 01:11:15,936
There is also trails that connect to the Georgian Trail

984
01:11:15,936 --> 01:11:19,978
as well as the broader Collingwood Trail system. As mentioned

985
01:11:19,978 --> 01:11:22,218
before, it's cash and loofer. Parkland has been paid for

986
01:11:22,218 --> 01:11:26,378
the overall development, as most municipalities prefer to improve and

987
01:11:26,378 --> 01:11:29,938
maintain existing parks and trails and facilities rather than manage

988
01:11:29,938 --> 01:11:34,199
many small parks throughout the community. This plan also shows

989
01:11:34,199 --> 01:11:36,999
the landscaping proposed and the fencing that is along the

990
01:11:36,999 --> 01:11:39,799
perimeter of the property. The development to the south will

991
01:11:39,799 --> 01:11:43,159
have a retaining ball and a retaining wall and a

992
01:11:43,159 --> 01:11:45,879
privacy fence. And it is adjacent to an existing parking

993
01:11:45,879 --> 01:11:48,679
lot on that property. The northern property line will have

994
01:11:48,679 --> 01:11:51,879
the same fencing, and there will be a 2.4 meters

995
01:11:51,879 --> 01:11:56,259
high acoustic fence. Along Highway 26. At this point. I'm

996
01:11:56,259 --> 01:11:59,561
now going to pass it over to. Jeff Robinson from

997
01:11:59,561 --> 01:12:06,105
raids Heritage homes. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Thank you, Kristen.

998
01:12:06,105 --> 01:12:10,025
Good afternoon, Mayor Hamlin, members of council, staff and residents.

999
01:12:16,464 --> 01:12:18,544
Thank you very much for taking the time today to

1000
01:12:18,544 --> 01:12:21,864
hear our application again. My name is Jeff. Robinson. I'm

1001
01:12:21,864 --> 01:12:25,704
senior director of development with Reed's heritage homes in Sherwood

1002
01:12:25,704 --> 01:12:28,488
Homes. I really want to provide a little bit of

1003
01:12:28,488 --> 01:12:32,488
context as to why we're here today. Given that this

1004
01:12:32,488 --> 01:12:36,821
development. Had already gone through several planning approvals. We've done

1005
01:12:36,821 --> 01:12:39,621
some site servicing works on the site, which you've likely

1006
01:12:39,621 --> 01:12:42,541
seen if you've driven past it. So we're kind of

1007
01:12:42,541 --> 01:12:45,816
midstream in our development. And we've taken a pause for

1008
01:12:45,816 --> 01:12:51,607
a minute and are reinitiating some planning applications. Our updated

1009
01:12:51,607 --> 01:12:57,824
plans for this community. That. Both staff and Kristen have

1010
01:12:57,824 --> 01:13:01,420
just gone through. And the associated applications that are before

1011
01:13:01,420 --> 01:13:04,900
you today are really a result of significant changes and

1012
01:13:04,900 --> 01:13:07,660
challenges. That we've seen in the housing market over the

1013
01:13:07,660 --> 01:13:11,708
last, I would say, year to two. Years. And as

1014
01:13:11,708 --> 01:13:15,748
well to address some items that have come up on

1015
01:13:15,748 --> 01:13:19,408
the town's updated official plan. With the challenges that we've

1016
01:13:19,408 --> 01:13:22,168
seen in the current housing market. We looked at ways

1017
01:13:22,168 --> 01:13:27,431
in which. We're able to offer homes for this community

1018
01:13:27,431 --> 01:13:31,642
that are really attainable for members of the community. Whether

1019
01:13:31,642 --> 01:13:35,371
they're first time home buyers. Young families that are just

1020
01:13:35,371 --> 01:13:40,276
starting out in home ownership and potentially some retirees. And

1021
01:13:40,276 --> 01:13:46,723
our goal with this was also to keep. The existing

1022
01:13:46,723 --> 01:13:49,443
low rise development concept that we had initially proposed, and

1023
01:13:49,443 --> 01:13:53,465
that was approved through site plan. Approval. And that has

1024
01:13:53,465 --> 01:13:56,705
led us to the stacked bungalow concept that you're seeing

1025
01:13:56,705 --> 01:14:01,171
today before you. As I mentioned, we are targeting first

1026
01:14:01,171 --> 01:14:05,903
time home buyers, young families. And possibly retirees in a

1027
01:14:05,903 --> 01:14:09,756
move down market. As you can see on the elevations

1028
01:14:09,756 --> 01:14:14,110
on the screen right now. These are still bungalow townhomes.

1029
01:14:14,110 --> 01:14:17,990
What we've done, basically, is added a lower separate. Unit,

1030
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:21,110
and that lower unit will be a completely separate dwelling

1031
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:24,190
unit from the unit above. It will be a half

1032
01:14:24,190 --> 01:14:28,830
story below grade, it will have nine foot ceilings, and

1033
01:14:28,830 --> 01:14:31,470
we've provided a lot of windows within those units to

1034
01:14:31,470 --> 01:14:35,351
provide as much. Light and airy feel as possible for

1035
01:14:35,351 --> 01:14:39,344
those units. This has allowed us to keep the look

1036
01:14:39,344 --> 01:14:43,224
and the feel of our original community plan. And as

1037
01:14:43,224 --> 01:14:48,346
Kristen had noted. With the stacked orientation. Now, we're only

1038
01:14:48,346 --> 01:14:51,506
a half story higher than the previous plan, so. This

1039
01:14:51,506 --> 01:14:56,325
is still. A very much. A gentle density community of

1040
01:14:56,325 --> 01:15:00,366
low rise homes. These units are going to range in

1041
01:15:00,366 --> 01:15:08,272
size from about 1100. All the units will have two

1042
01:15:08,272 --> 01:15:13,542
bedrooms. The homes will also each have a parking space

1043
01:15:13,542 --> 01:15:17,262
for their units. We do have some additional parking spaces

1044
01:15:17,262 --> 01:15:22,586
on the site concept that you've seen. We are anticipating

1045
01:15:22,586 --> 01:15:25,026
that there will be some purchasers that likely will have

1046
01:15:25,026 --> 01:15:28,546
two cars, and we did want to have some additional

1047
01:15:28,546 --> 01:15:33,007
spaces available for some of those units. We anticipate going

1048
01:15:33,007 --> 01:15:36,247
on sale with these homes as early as next spring

1049
01:15:36,247 --> 01:15:44,209
or summer, with starting prices in the high 400,000. This

1050
01:15:44,209 --> 01:15:47,209
is a significant reduction from the selling prices that we

1051
01:15:47,209 --> 01:15:51,409
were originally seeking on the bungalow townhomes. A year and

1052
01:15:51,409 --> 01:15:56,343
a half ago. And really, the stacked orientation, the efficiency

1053
01:15:56,343 --> 01:16:00,023
of building a stacked unit still within the same footprint

1054
01:16:00,023 --> 01:16:06,306
for these buildings. Has allowed us to lower our construction

1055
01:16:06,306 --> 01:16:10,672
cost per square foot significantly. Which is translated into a

1056
01:16:10,672 --> 01:16:14,489
much lower. Purchase price that we can offer to home

1057
01:16:14,489 --> 01:16:23,596
buyers. With. These planning applications that you see before you.

1058
01:16:23,596 --> 01:16:27,780
The site works that have already taken place. And our

1059
01:16:27,780 --> 01:16:31,873
ability to market and sell. These stacked townhomes at a

1060
01:16:31,873 --> 01:16:34,673
much lower price point. We are confident that we can

1061
01:16:34,673 --> 01:16:38,534
move forward. With this community and sell to residents within

1062
01:16:38,534 --> 01:16:41,854
Collingwood and the greater area. Thank you very much for

1063
01:16:41,854 --> 01:16:45,454
your time today. Kristen and I are both available to

1064
01:16:45,454 --> 01:16:49,012
answer any questions you may have. Thank you. Thank you

1065
01:16:49,012 --> 01:16:52,305
so much. So at this time, we're going to ask

1066
01:16:52,305 --> 01:16:56,345
members of the community who wish to address council to

1067
01:16:56,345 --> 01:17:02,668
come forward. Yes, go ahead. I left all my stuff.

1068
01:17:04,599 --> 01:17:09,581
Go ahead. Good afternoon.

1069
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:19,480
Your worship. Deputy mayor and town counselors. My name is

1070
01:17:19,480 --> 01:17:22,400
Grace Ignitis, and I am the chair of the shared

1071
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:28,000
facilities committee at Lighthouse Point. Please excuse my slightly hoarse

1072
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,881
voice. This is as good as it gets. This time

1073
01:17:31,881 --> 01:17:37,299
of year. I am here to present. Comments and concerns

1074
01:17:37,299 --> 01:17:40,979
of the Lighthouse Point community that has been referenced in

1075
01:17:40,979 --> 01:17:48,213
the prior presentations. My address is 562 Mariners way. Lighthouse

1076
01:17:48,213 --> 01:17:51,373
Point is a large and a long established community of

1077
01:17:51,373 --> 01:17:57,413
576 units who have contributed significantly to the town in

1078
01:17:57,413 --> 01:18:01,778
terms of a stable tax base for many years. As

1079
01:18:01,778 --> 01:18:06,658
concerned residents of Collingwood, we respectfully request that town council

1080
01:18:06,658 --> 01:18:11,818
reject the current application by the developer Sherwood Homes, requesting

1081
01:18:11,818 --> 01:18:16,338
amendments to the official plan and town zoning bylaw to

1082
01:18:16,338 --> 01:18:21,115
permit. A residential stack townhouse development of twelve one and

1083
01:18:21,115 --> 01:18:28,153
a half story buildings totaling 124 units. And 149 onsite

1084
01:18:28,153 --> 01:18:33,481
parking spaces on the reverie property. Our request is based

1085
01:18:33,481 --> 01:18:36,641
on a number of concerns with the submitted application and

1086
01:18:36,641 --> 01:18:41,427
how it will impact our neighborhood. The official plan, which

1087
01:18:41,427 --> 01:18:44,867
has been referred to multiple times, is there to protect

1088
01:18:44,867 --> 01:18:48,867
Collingwood, to take care of our environment to protect the

1089
01:18:48,867 --> 01:18:53,067
town's current and future residents who are fortunate enough to

1090
01:18:53,067 --> 01:18:56,587
be part of this community, as well as to define

1091
01:18:56,587 --> 01:19:01,729
the boundaries and the limits within. Which developers are to

1092
01:19:01,729 --> 01:19:07,087
build their plans and construct their projects. The developer's initial

1093
01:19:07,087 --> 01:19:12,127
proposal was to build 60 bungalow townhouses on this property

1094
01:19:12,127 --> 01:19:17,247
with a resulting density of 26 units per hectare currently

1095
01:19:17,247 --> 01:19:22,326
under the existing neighborhood's designation. The maximum permitted density is

1096
01:19:22,326 --> 01:19:27,206
40 units per hectare. The developer is asking to increase

1097
01:19:27,206 --> 01:19:32,926
density to 68. Units per hectare, a 70% increase about

1098
01:19:32,926 --> 01:19:38,366
what the current designation allows, and a 260% increase over

1099
01:19:38,366 --> 01:19:44,273
what the developer originally proposed. A short while ago. The

1100
01:19:44,273 --> 01:19:50,319
developer made reference to a gentle density. A 260. Percent

1101
01:19:50,319 --> 01:19:54,660
increase over what was originally proposed. Would not be my

1102
01:19:54,660 --> 01:20:00,702
definition of a gentle density. This proposed density significantly higher

1103
01:20:00,702 --> 01:20:03,702
than the density of other developments in the neighborhood, which

1104
01:20:03,702 --> 01:20:07,222
range from a high of 48 units per hectare at

1105
01:20:07,222 --> 01:20:16,534
Waterstone to. Wildwood cove 40. Rupert's landing. 34. Dockside 22,

1106
01:20:16,534 --> 01:20:22,130
lighthouse Point 26 and Green tree 25. All those coded

1107
01:20:22,130 --> 01:20:26,770
numbers were the density per hectare. The density that the

1108
01:20:26,770 --> 01:20:30,490
developer is requesting for reverie. Is 40% higher than the

1109
01:20:30,490 --> 01:20:37,330
neighborhood's highest density development, Waterstone, and 270% higher than that

1110
01:20:37,330 --> 01:20:42,084
of lighthouse Point and green tree. Parkland is a required

1111
01:20:42,084 --> 01:20:45,924
part of all developments, yet there is zero park land

1112
01:20:45,924 --> 01:20:49,564
for reverie. The developer is making a cash payment in

1113
01:20:49,564 --> 01:20:53,484
lieu of parkland on more than one occasion in recent

1114
01:20:53,484 --> 01:20:57,884
past members of council have spoken about not allowing this

1115
01:20:57,884 --> 01:21:02,820
practice to continue. Given the type of housing being planned,

1116
01:21:02,820 --> 01:21:06,860
I. E. Townhouses, as well as the proposed starting price,

1117
01:21:06,860 --> 01:21:13,537
point. This developer will appeal to young families. Excuse me.

1118
01:21:15,445 --> 01:21:19,842
That was noted. In the developer's earlier comments, there was

1119
01:21:19,842 --> 01:21:23,602
a single amenity being proposed, a playground structure in a

1120
01:21:23,602 --> 01:21:26,842
small landscaped area on the northeast corner of the property.

1121
01:21:28,363 --> 01:21:32,043
For the proposed 124 units. That is a minuscule amount

1122
01:21:32,043 --> 01:21:36,363
of space for children, their parents and other reverie residents

1123
01:21:36,363 --> 01:21:41,396
to enjoy. Parking is another issue. The town zoning bylaws

1124
01:21:41,396 --> 01:21:46,276
requirement for townhoses is two parking spaces for dwelling unit,

1125
01:21:46,276 --> 01:21:52,156
so 248 required parking spaces. The developers proposing a total

1126
01:21:52,156 --> 01:21:57,516
of 149 parking spaces. One parking space per unit, plus

1127
01:21:57,516 --> 01:22:02,677
20. Five visitor parking spots. Some and possibly many of

1128
01:22:02,677 --> 01:22:08,397
the proposed 124 units will be two car families. That

1129
01:22:08,397 --> 01:22:12,751
is a fact. Of life. Where will they park? The

1130
01:22:12,751 --> 01:22:16,191
access road. Princess of Wales Drive is a fire route

1131
01:22:16,191 --> 01:22:19,961
and does not show parking being available. There is no

1132
01:22:19,961 --> 01:22:24,810
street parking on Highway 26. Congestion will be an ongoing

1133
01:22:24,810 --> 01:22:28,570
issue with the accompanying safety risks. The issues and risks

1134
01:22:28,570 --> 01:22:31,610
will be compounded during the winter months when there is

1135
01:22:31,610 --> 01:22:35,170
ongoing snow to deal with, not only on the roads,

1136
01:22:35,170 --> 01:22:39,935
but piled up in piles besides the parking lot. This

1137
01:22:39,935 --> 01:22:45,809
further reduces available parking space. Lighthouse Point residents are realistic

1138
01:22:45,809 --> 01:22:49,369
and aware of the needs in their community. We recognize

1139
01:22:49,369 --> 01:22:52,689
more housing is required that housing needs to be built

1140
01:22:52,689 --> 01:22:57,009
in Collingwood and that higher density helps make housing more

1141
01:22:57,009 --> 01:23:01,729
affordable. The developer also wants to make any project worth

1142
01:23:01,729 --> 01:23:05,935
their while, but. New development needs to be balanced within

1143
01:23:05,935 --> 01:23:10,721
the structure and needs of the existing community and. The

1144
01:23:10,721 --> 01:23:15,361
impact on existing neighborhoods need to be taken into consideration.

1145
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:21,040
The developer's desire for more density should not override the

1146
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:26,387
existing community's environment. And safety. Place undue strain on local

1147
01:23:26,387 --> 01:23:32,187
infrastructure, nor limit the new community's residents in the basic

1148
01:23:32,187 --> 01:23:36,015
amenities that they are to be provided. For their everyday

1149
01:23:36,015 --> 01:23:41,666
life. Things like parking, green space, a safe environment. We

1150
01:23:41,666 --> 01:23:46,626
respectfully submit that the reverie application should not be approved

1151
01:23:46,626 --> 01:23:51,309
as currently proposed. On behalf of the lighthouse Point community,

1152
01:23:51,309 --> 01:23:56,352
thank you for your attention. And consideration this afternoon. In

1153
01:23:56,352 --> 01:24:01,912
addition to these comments, Lighthouse Point has a petition underway.

1154
01:24:01,912 --> 01:24:06,912
We've received currently over 300 signatures with comments additional comments

1155
01:24:06,912 --> 01:24:12,120
attached. I assume the applicable process is that information should

1156
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,920
be passed on to the town clerk or should it

1157
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:19,513
go to the town planner. Yeah, either is fine. Thank

1158
01:24:19,513 --> 01:24:21,473
you for your time. Okay. Thank you.

1159
01:24:35,046 --> 01:24:42,554
Welcome. Madam Mayor, deputy mayor, councilor, staff, and our audience.

1160
01:24:42,554 --> 01:24:46,816
This is completely unplanned. My name is Brian Vermander. I'm

1161
01:24:46,816 --> 01:24:49,576
with the calling, the climate action team and. I'm here

1162
01:24:49,576 --> 01:24:53,068
to provide a couple of quick comments. I happen to

1163
01:24:53,068 --> 01:24:55,388
see this in the calling with today that was going

1164
01:24:55,388 --> 01:24:58,226
to be here. And as you know, I've been here

1165
01:24:58,226 --> 01:25:03,882
before for new developments, advocating for fossil free development. And

1166
01:25:03,882 --> 01:25:07,878
I'm ecstatic. With my two comments from the perspective of

1167
01:25:07,878 --> 01:25:10,878
the first one being, as you know, densification. As gentlemen,

1168
01:25:10,878 --> 01:25:15,875
Reed mentioned, does reduce carbon footprint. So not only. Is

1169
01:25:15,875 --> 01:25:18,115
it economical? On his part. But it's economical from a

1170
01:25:18,115 --> 01:25:21,567
climate pollution point of view. And it also reduces costs.

1171
01:25:21,567 --> 01:25:24,407
So we talked about affordable housing, the price on these,

1172
01:25:24,407 --> 01:25:27,825
it kind of shocked me. My biggest comment is I

1173
01:25:27,825 --> 01:25:32,746
happened to look at the architectural drawings. And. Was completely

1174
01:25:32,746 --> 01:25:35,026
blown away that this development looks like it is a

1175
01:25:35,026 --> 01:25:38,466
fully electrified, assuming your hot water heaters are electric and

1176
01:25:38,466 --> 01:25:41,626
not gas because they have heat pumps. So I just

1177
01:25:41,626 --> 01:25:44,386
wanted to do a shout out to Sherwood Reed. From

1178
01:25:44,386 --> 01:25:47,546
the point of view, this looks like maybe a landmark.

1179
01:25:47,546 --> 01:25:52,040
Gold. Standard development that's coming. That is actually providing heat

1180
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,520
pumps from an energy point of view. So I just

1181
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:56,880
wanted to give them credit for. Now, I don't have

1182
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:00,160
to advocate here. We've got one coming. Thank you. Thanks,

1183
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,920
Brent. Yes, please come up.

1184
01:26:10,226 --> 01:26:19,906
Hello. My name is deborah eaton kent. I'm at. Ellison.

1185
01:26:20,388 --> 01:26:26,843
Cfa 86 out hotmail ca. And I have low vision

1186
01:26:26,843 --> 01:26:29,323
issues, so I'm a little bit nervous. Can't see. Any

1187
01:26:29,323 --> 01:26:34,003
of your faces. But mayor, council, staff, members of the

1188
01:26:34,003 --> 01:26:39,944
public, I am a condo owner at Rupert's Landing. And

1189
01:26:39,944 --> 01:26:44,312
I am offering comments, of course. My own thoughts, et

1190
01:26:44,312 --> 01:26:49,007
cetera, but with such short notice. We didn't have a

1191
01:26:49,007 --> 01:26:52,567
whole lot of time to gather opinions, though we have

1192
01:26:52,567 --> 01:26:56,527
spoken a couple of us with other members of Ruperts,

1193
01:26:56,527 --> 01:27:01,727
and we're here as supporters of the previous presentation from

1194
01:27:01,727 --> 01:27:07,086
our neighbor's lighthouse. And also as members. Of this community.

1195
01:27:08,686 --> 01:27:14,901
And the concerns that are outlined by lighthouse representation. Really

1196
01:27:14,901 --> 01:27:24,256
echo. Personally. My concerns, especially. The density of the project

1197
01:27:24,256 --> 01:27:28,816
and the concern is about traffic is bad enough on

1198
01:27:28,816 --> 01:27:34,536
Highway 26. The development along the corridor. I understand, but

1199
01:27:34,536 --> 01:27:39,576
there is the traffic issue, there's the environmental impact. And

1200
01:27:39,576 --> 01:27:45,134
also. The impact on the neighborhood. There has been unbelievable

1201
01:27:45,134 --> 01:27:50,430
amount of development. From a personal viewpoint, thank the universe

1202
01:27:50,430 --> 01:27:53,710
that I live on the side of the highway where

1203
01:27:53,710 --> 01:27:56,750
there is a bus stop. I recently had two eye

1204
01:27:56,750 --> 01:28:02,510
strokes. My vision. I could never cross that highway. And

1205
01:28:02,510 --> 01:28:05,710
if anyone's listening, it'd be great to have a crosswalk,

1206
01:28:05,710 --> 01:28:10,154
but that aside. I'm not in favor of this development.

1207
01:28:10,154 --> 01:28:13,938
Thank you. Thank you. Yes, please come up.

1208
01:28:21,247 --> 01:28:25,607
Good afternoon, Mayor Hamlin, councilors, town staff, and members of

1209
01:28:25,607 --> 01:28:29,527
the public. My name is Kevin. Marshman. I live at

1210
01:28:29,527 --> 01:28:33,887
19 Woodland Court. Which about Cranberry Marsh and I am

1211
01:28:33,887 --> 01:28:43,262
a director of our condo association. I appreciate the opportunity

1212
01:28:43,262 --> 01:28:46,717
to share my thoughts with you today. I will be

1213
01:28:46,717 --> 01:28:48,957
brief and hopefully you can hear me clearly. If I

1214
01:28:48,957 --> 01:28:53,926
had some dental surgery, this morning. So I will keep

1215
01:28:53,926 --> 01:28:58,733
the pain to a minimum. The cranberry. And by the

1216
01:28:58,733 --> 01:29:02,241
way, I would say that I echo. Some of the

1217
01:29:02,241 --> 01:29:08,504
comments. Of the. Previous speakers. I will not reiterate those.

1218
01:29:08,504 --> 01:29:12,988
My focus is around the cranberry marsh area. And as

1219
01:29:12,988 --> 01:29:17,753
you know, Cranberry marsh has routinely been used as a

1220
01:29:17,753 --> 01:29:22,433
watershed for drainage by developers in this area. And while

1221
01:29:22,433 --> 01:29:25,673
25 years ago that might have seemed appropriate, I would

1222
01:29:25,673 --> 01:29:27,993
suggest that that is no longer the case, and I

1223
01:29:27,993 --> 01:29:30,833
believe that the cranberry marsh is going to continue to

1224
01:29:30,833 --> 01:29:35,518
be used. As a watershed for this development. Residential communities.

1225
01:29:37,149 --> 01:29:39,709
As well as areas of the golf course surrounding the

1226
01:29:39,709 --> 01:29:43,029
cranberry marsh, are already dealing with the consequences of flooding

1227
01:29:43,029 --> 01:29:46,029
in the marsh area. And while I acknowledge that the

1228
01:29:46,029 --> 01:29:49,709
drug conditions this past summer have reduced the water levels.

1229
01:29:51,223 --> 01:29:55,183
As has been previously documented before council and presentations that

1230
01:29:55,183 --> 01:29:58,663
we have made, Wood lots and neighborhoods are under pressure

1231
01:29:58,663 --> 01:30:02,503
due to higher water levels. The cranberry trail West Road

1232
01:30:02,503 --> 01:30:06,953
regularly floods at its entrance to Highway 26. And our

1233
01:30:06,953 --> 01:30:09,753
small community of Woodland Court, which is a community of

1234
01:30:09,753 --> 01:30:14,753
22 homes. Two homes have already experienced basement flooding due

1235
01:30:14,753 --> 01:30:19,405
to hydrostatic pressure from an increasing water table. And their

1236
01:30:19,405 --> 01:30:23,805
cresity density increase, which I would confirm again is the

1237
01:30:23,805 --> 01:30:30,116
70% increase from 40 to 68 homes. Per hectare. Will

1238
01:30:30,116 --> 01:30:35,550
only exacerbate the watershed issues. Into the cranberry marsh and

1239
01:30:35,550 --> 01:30:40,450
generally. As well as in particular in peak runoff periods.

1240
01:30:42,012 --> 01:30:45,092
In addition, that's been noted by other speakers. The increase

1241
01:30:45,092 --> 01:30:48,252
in density will also add to the worsting traffic congestion

1242
01:30:48,252 --> 01:30:53,625
on Highway 26. Presumably the developer had a positive business

1243
01:30:53,625 --> 01:30:57,436
case. At the plan density prior to the requested increase

1244
01:30:57,436 --> 01:31:01,596
and accordingly does not need a requested inquiry despite changing

1245
01:31:01,596 --> 01:31:06,399
conditions to make the economics work. It is for these

1246
01:31:06,399 --> 01:31:10,796
reasons that I recommend. Council reject the recommended increase, however.

1247
01:31:12,206 --> 01:31:15,646
If it is council's view that the density increase will

1248
01:31:15,646 --> 01:31:19,366
prevail upon appeal, then I would recommend that the town

1249
01:31:19,366 --> 01:31:24,326
require the developer to revise their groundwater drainage plans to

1250
01:31:24,326 --> 01:31:28,966
exit the property north across Highway 26 directly into Georgian

1251
01:31:28,966 --> 01:31:33,649
Bay. Rather than using the cranberry marsh as. Its watershed.

1252
01:31:33,649 --> 01:31:43,602
Thank you for your time. Thank you. Would anyone

1253
01:31:43,602 --> 01:31:50,115
else like to address council? Who's in the chambers? Yes,

1254
01:31:50,115 --> 01:31:53,934
gret. My name is Colin Inglass for 18 mariners Way.

1255
01:31:53,934 --> 01:31:57,334
Good afternoon, your worship. Deputy mayor, councilors. Staff and the

1256
01:31:57,334 --> 01:32:05,497
great unwashed. A little bit about economics. So I see

1257
01:32:05,497 --> 01:32:08,337
any number of approved developments around town, but no shovels.

1258
01:32:08,337 --> 01:32:16,421
In the ground. So it seems like economics is superseding

1259
01:32:16,421 --> 01:32:19,541
the province's desire to build homes. So if we look

1260
01:32:19,541 --> 01:32:24,141
at the economics of property development, every time we increase

1261
01:32:24,141 --> 01:32:28,341
density, we add value to that property. So that allows

1262
01:32:28,341 --> 01:32:31,261
the owner to bow against that increased value or to

1263
01:32:31,261 --> 01:32:34,740
sell it. To somebody else. Which kind of tends to

1264
01:32:34,740 --> 01:32:37,740
drive up the cost to the end user. So what's

1265
01:32:37,740 --> 01:32:40,260
missing? From this equation is a guarantee that something will

1266
01:32:40,260 --> 01:32:42,860
actually get billed. You can have platitudes. We hope to

1267
01:32:42,860 --> 01:32:46,500
build immediately. We hope to be available next spring. But

1268
01:32:46,500 --> 01:32:49,500
you have no teeth. So you have to be cautious

1269
01:32:49,500 --> 01:32:54,254
about approving something that's a significant jump like this. Where

1270
01:32:54,254 --> 01:32:57,134
it significantly increases the value, but doesn't guarantee that anything

1271
01:32:57,134 --> 01:33:01,406
actually happens. A couple of comments about what the developers

1272
01:33:01,406 --> 01:33:03,526
also tell you. They say, okay, this is a one

1273
01:33:03,526 --> 01:33:07,642
and a half story above grade. But what we've already

1274
01:33:07,642 --> 01:33:10,642
seen on this property of Skydev is the virgin grade.

1275
01:33:10,642 --> 01:33:13,442
If you will before development has been raised by roughly

1276
01:33:13,442 --> 01:33:16,960
3 meters. So what they really should tell you is

1277
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:19,320
the height of the top of the building above sea.

1278
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:22,560
Level so it can be compared to what the surrounding

1279
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:28,348
buildings are at. That's a bit disingenuous. I also find

1280
01:33:28,348 --> 01:33:33,160
it somewhat disrespectful that. This is proposed, development is already

1281
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:36,720
being marketed by a billboard on the property. And that

1282
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,955
would seem. To assume that this public process has no

1283
01:33:40,955 --> 01:33:45,966
value, so. I'm not particularly fond of that particular tactic.

1284
01:33:47,691 --> 01:33:51,258
So let's look at what we're doing. We've got. A

1285
01:33:51,258 --> 01:33:56,095
community. Driven official plan, which presumably contemplates things like schools,

1286
01:33:56,095 --> 01:34:00,911
parks, transportation, and now. We're about to throw a portion

1287
01:34:00,911 --> 01:34:04,591
of that out the window. By doubling the density, we

1288
01:34:04,591 --> 01:34:07,231
have a master transportation plan that's in the works that

1289
01:34:07,231 --> 01:34:10,431
presumably is based on that official plan and the current

1290
01:34:10,431 --> 01:34:16,498
bylaws we have contemplating a parks plan. In the next

1291
01:34:16,498 --> 01:34:21,025
year or two. Parks master plan. Though I will say

1292
01:34:21,025 --> 01:34:23,505
that the last master plan was full of altruisms. But

1293
01:34:23,505 --> 01:34:26,145
nothing to actually put a park in this particular area.

1294
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:32,720
So we're contemplating a high density, much higher density development

1295
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,520
in this area, one that as the developer says will

1296
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:40,225
appeal to young families. So we've got no parks. We've

1297
01:34:40,225 --> 01:34:44,523
got. No active transportation trails. Certainly not one that's winter

1298
01:34:44,523 --> 01:34:49,097
maintained. We've got no primary school in the area. I

1299
01:34:49,097 --> 01:34:51,937
suspect that the primary school that is. Closest is probably

1300
01:34:51,937 --> 01:34:55,892
full. So we've got a number of no's. We just

1301
01:34:55,892 --> 01:34:58,852
need two more no's. From you. No official planned amendment,

1302
01:34:58,852 --> 01:35:03,408
no bylaw amendment. Thank you. Thank you.

1303
01:35:10,261 --> 01:35:14,533
Would anyone else like to come forward? Clerk on is

1304
01:35:14,533 --> 01:35:22,315
there anyone online? Yes, your worship. We have 50 people

1305
01:35:22,315 --> 01:35:25,391
online. Yes. So I would like to ask at this

1306
01:35:25,391 --> 01:35:28,111
time if there's anyone that would like. To address council

1307
01:35:28,111 --> 01:35:30,631
regarding this application, please press or raise your hand at

1308
01:35:30,631 --> 01:35:31,311
the bottom of the screen.

1309
01:35:43,498 --> 01:35:46,258
Doesn't look like any further request to speak to this

1310
01:35:46,258 --> 01:35:51,925
application at this time, your worship. Okay, so if there's

1311
01:35:51,925 --> 01:35:55,592
no other comments from the public, I'll close the public

1312
01:35:55,592 --> 01:35:59,820
portion of. This public meeting and turn it over to

1313
01:35:59,820 --> 01:36:03,060
council should they have any questions or comments at this

1314
01:36:03,060 --> 01:36:08,422
stage. Councilor Baines. Thank you, Mayor Hamlin, through you, if

1315
01:36:08,422 --> 01:36:15,649
I may, to community planner wane. Wright. If she's there.

1316
01:36:24,654 --> 01:36:28,734
We've heard some concerns expressed, and I didn't see the

1317
01:36:28,734 --> 01:36:32,214
dimensions, if you will. Of the children's playground. Can you

1318
01:36:32,214 --> 01:36:35,054
give us more details about the size of that and

1319
01:36:35,054 --> 01:36:44,704
what percentage of the overall. Development is that. If you

1320
01:36:44,704 --> 01:36:48,081
can estimate that, what that represents. Thank you for the

1321
01:36:48,081 --> 01:36:51,746
question and through the chair. At this time. It's just

1322
01:36:51,746 --> 01:36:55,946
a conceptual plan, so I don't have specific dimensions. But

1323
01:36:55,946 --> 01:36:58,906
as we work through the technical review process, we can

1324
01:36:58,906 --> 01:37:01,186
get that information and make sure it's in the staff

1325
01:37:01,186 --> 01:37:04,866
report. Thank you. Thank you. One more question that presumably

1326
01:37:04,866 --> 01:37:09,687
may go to director Valentine, though, and. That's about. The

1327
01:37:09,687 --> 01:37:12,087
number of accessible parking spaces. I'm assuming it's the province.

1328
01:37:13,672 --> 01:37:17,592
That either dictates or restricts the total number of parking

1329
01:37:17,592 --> 01:37:22,352
spaces for 149 spaces. But only four accessible, it would

1330
01:37:22,352 --> 01:37:26,191
seem to me. This is a comment, an editorialized comment,

1331
01:37:26,191 --> 01:37:31,906
if you will, of our aging demographics. That. It might

1332
01:37:31,906 --> 01:37:36,174
be a prudent to have more accessible parking spaces. But.

1333
01:37:37,216 --> 01:37:40,456
Does the planning act allow the flexibility? Or perhaps it's

1334
01:37:40,456 --> 01:37:43,656
our own bylaws for the condo corporation at some time

1335
01:37:43,656 --> 01:37:48,256
in the future to grant more accessible parking spaces should

1336
01:37:48,256 --> 01:37:54,471
the community want those. Go ahead. So the province does

1337
01:37:54,471 --> 01:38:00,923
require a minimum number of accessible parking spaces. I don't

1338
01:38:00,923 --> 01:38:03,763
believe there's a restriction on the number that can be

1339
01:38:03,763 --> 01:38:06,123
provided as long as the minimum number is. So the

1340
01:38:06,123 --> 01:38:10,203
maximum. There's no cap. Okay, one further question. On this

1341
01:38:10,203 --> 01:38:14,832
point particularly. Would the owners of the condo corporation. Should

1342
01:38:14,832 --> 01:38:20,792
they require accessible parking spaces, have the opportunity to get

1343
01:38:20,792 --> 01:38:24,584
that. In front of their unit. Perhaps this is up

1344
01:38:24,584 --> 01:38:27,024
to the condo board itself at some time in the

1345
01:38:27,024 --> 01:38:31,531
future to decide. I'm just curious to know that. I

1346
01:38:31,531 --> 01:38:34,371
would look to direct a Valentine. Thank you. Go ahead.

1347
01:38:34,371 --> 01:38:36,251
Thank you. And through the chair, I think it's important

1348
01:38:36,251 --> 01:38:38,931
to note that the accessible parking spaces are in relation

1349
01:38:38,931 --> 01:38:41,771
to the visitor. Parking only. So for the parking, for

1350
01:38:41,771 --> 01:38:45,811
the units, it's a driveway or parking like any. Other

1351
01:38:45,811 --> 01:38:49,331
unit within town. So that's an important distinction. The other

1352
01:38:49,331 --> 01:38:53,113
piece, as planner Wayne Wright. Mentioned was with respect to

1353
01:38:53,113 --> 01:38:56,273
provincial requirements. So even if our zoning bylaw did have

1354
01:38:56,273 --> 01:39:00,353
a higher requirement for accessible parking. It's essentially trumped by

1355
01:39:00,353 --> 01:39:02,993
higher order legislation, so it's a bit difficult, but I

1356
01:39:02,993 --> 01:39:07,923
think the applicants. Have heard the request and perhaps can

1357
01:39:07,923 --> 01:39:10,523
take that back and think about whether additional parking would

1358
01:39:10,523 --> 01:39:13,643
be required and have additional comments on the size of

1359
01:39:13,643 --> 01:39:17,326
the individual. Parking spaces for the units and whether those

1360
01:39:17,326 --> 01:39:20,566
meet the accessibility size or whether they're a standard parking

1361
01:39:20,566 --> 01:39:22,926
size for, essentially, the driveway in front of these units.

1362
01:39:24,354 --> 01:39:28,426
Thank you. And just one further comment. Also, I'm concerned

1363
01:39:28,426 --> 01:39:32,240
in regard to. The drainage, if you will, of the

1364
01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:35,693
development itself and where that would end up. And I'm

1365
01:39:35,693 --> 01:39:39,194
assuming that we can discuss that further. At director Alcoca's

1366
01:39:39,194 --> 01:39:46,056
report. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions? Cassor

1367
01:39:46,056 --> 01:39:50,940
dougherty. Thank you, chair. And thank you for your presentation.

1368
01:39:50,940 --> 01:39:57,440
Very thorough. I had a couple of questions. And actually

1369
01:39:57,440 --> 01:40:01,680
following up on councilor Baines, I would be interested to

1370
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:08,089
know. What the percent. Of and the development space is

1371
01:40:08,089 --> 01:40:13,609
being devoted to that park area, which right now, conceptually

1372
01:40:13,609 --> 01:40:18,425
is a playground. And I also wanted to clarify what

1373
01:40:18,425 --> 01:40:24,326
there was reference to. This development, having access to. Other

1374
01:40:24,326 --> 01:40:28,406
amenities on the lands, and I'm just wondering what those

1375
01:40:28,406 --> 01:40:34,518
are and where they're. Located. Go ahead. Thank you. And

1376
01:40:34,518 --> 01:40:37,884
through the chair. So, in addition to the outdoor amenity

1377
01:40:37,884 --> 01:40:41,844
areas on the subject lands residents from the townhouse. Development

1378
01:40:41,844 --> 01:40:44,764
would have access to the amenity building and outdoor amenity

1379
01:40:44,764 --> 01:40:49,812
areas. On the side of the property with the apartment

1380
01:40:49,812 --> 01:40:56,030
buildings. And there's also some recreational improvements happening as well.

1381
01:40:57,794 --> 01:41:00,194
The construction of a multi use trail along the south

1382
01:41:00,194 --> 01:41:03,794
side of highway trick 26 between the termination of the

1383
01:41:03,794 --> 01:41:08,314
vacation entrail to the west and Highway 26, Cranberry trail

1384
01:41:08,314 --> 01:41:11,314
intersection to the east as planned for and this trail

1385
01:41:11,314 --> 01:41:13,474
connection will be installed as part of the construction of

1386
01:41:13,474 --> 01:41:20,098
the townhouse develop. Development, which would have been referred to

1387
01:41:20,098 --> 01:41:24,058
as the phase two construction under the previous planning approval

1388
01:41:24,058 --> 01:41:28,076
for the apartment buildings. Thank you. So, just as a

1389
01:41:28,076 --> 01:41:34,619
follow up, As the site plan progresses, I would be

1390
01:41:34,619 --> 01:41:41,482
interested to know what the total percentage of. Recreation or

1391
01:41:41,482 --> 01:41:47,163
amenity space amounts to. And this would be potentially through

1392
01:41:47,163 --> 01:41:54,533
you to the developer. These are condominiums. So. They just

1393
01:41:54,533 --> 01:42:03,873
common area condominiums. Or total. Complete condominiums. I might look

1394
01:42:03,873 --> 01:42:06,193
to the developers just to have that specific answer, if

1395
01:42:06,193 --> 01:42:14,915
that's okay, Jeff. You chair to the

1396
01:42:14,915 --> 01:42:20,980
councilor. This is proposed to be a standard condominium. So

1397
01:42:20,980 --> 01:42:24,900
the homeowners would own their units and then all of

1398
01:42:24,900 --> 01:42:30,389
the common in many areas. The roadways. Visitor parking areas

1399
01:42:30,389 --> 01:42:33,869
would all be common element. So all homeowners would contribute

1400
01:42:33,869 --> 01:42:39,047
towards. The maintenance of those areas. Right. Okay. Thank you.

1401
01:42:40,363 --> 01:42:44,760
So where I was going with that is. The price

1402
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:50,060
that you have quoted certainly is. Lower than what we

1403
01:42:50,060 --> 01:42:52,580
have seen in this market, which is a good thing.

1404
01:42:54,910 --> 01:43:01,269
But. If the condominium fees. Are excessive. Then we're back

1405
01:43:01,269 --> 01:43:06,631
at the same situation about affordability. Yes. Through you, chair

1406
01:43:06,631 --> 01:43:09,311
to the councilor. Yes. And that's something we always try

1407
01:43:09,311 --> 01:43:13,882
to balance. Obviously purchase price and then condominium fees as

1408
01:43:13,882 --> 01:43:17,962
well to keep those as low as possible because you're

1409
01:43:17,962 --> 01:43:22,202
right, councilor. That is part of the purchase price that

1410
01:43:22,202 --> 01:43:24,482
home buyers do consider. When they're looking to buy a

1411
01:43:24,482 --> 01:43:29,008
unit, so. We are looking to keep those condominium fees

1412
01:43:29,008 --> 01:43:32,511
as low as possible. As you see on the plan.

1413
01:43:34,910 --> 01:43:36,030
We do have the playground. We have some common in

1414
01:43:36,030 --> 01:43:40,892
many areas, but I wouldn't say it's extravagant. There's not

1415
01:43:40,892 --> 01:43:45,492
amenity buildings within our site to try to, in order

1416
01:43:45,492 --> 01:43:52,912
to keep those fees to a reasonable level, right? And

1417
01:43:52,912 --> 01:43:57,784
my next question is to do with the grading. And

1418
01:43:57,784 --> 01:44:03,761
also councilor Baines did reference. The proposed grading. Will we

1419
01:44:03,761 --> 01:44:09,135
be seeing? Substantially increased elevation on these lands, or will

1420
01:44:09,135 --> 01:44:13,041
we be? Are you building on. What can be seen.

1421
01:44:14,683 --> 01:44:18,384
Right now. If you drive by the land. Through your

1422
01:44:18,384 --> 01:44:22,777
chair to the councilor. There certainly will not be substantial

1423
01:44:22,777 --> 01:44:27,419
grading increases. The final grading plans do need to be

1424
01:44:27,419 --> 01:44:31,499
done through the site plan approval process, which will follow.

1425
01:44:31,499 --> 01:44:34,899
The official plan and zoning bylaw amendment process. That's when

1426
01:44:34,899 --> 01:44:40,157
the detailed design, in terms of grading is done. But

1427
01:44:40,157 --> 01:44:42,677
the site is rough graded at this time. There will

1428
01:44:42,677 --> 01:44:48,677
not be substantial increases to it. Thank you. And then

1429
01:44:48,677 --> 01:44:56,303
finally. As the proposed development been circulated. To the boards

1430
01:44:56,303 --> 01:45:01,516
of education. Through you to our planner. Yeah. Thank you.

1431
01:45:07,873 --> 01:45:10,713
Thank you for the question and through the chair. Yes,

1432
01:45:10,713 --> 01:45:13,513
they have been included in the technical circulation. And we

1433
01:45:13,513 --> 01:45:16,753
have received comments so far from the Simcoe County District

1434
01:45:16,753 --> 01:45:20,433
school board. Thank you. Could you elaborate on what the

1435
01:45:20,433 --> 01:45:26,708
comments are? Yes. They will be included. In the staff

1436
01:45:26,708 --> 01:45:32,143
report. That's to come. But. The general sense of the

1437
01:45:32,143 --> 01:45:37,176
comment is just noting that. Width of the internal roads

1438
01:45:37,176 --> 01:45:40,016
are too narrow in the condominium, so the school board

1439
01:45:40,016 --> 01:45:43,336
has asked for a provision that bus stop, pickup and

1440
01:45:43,336 --> 01:45:49,746
drop off locations be cited outside the development. Thank you.

1441
01:45:49,746 --> 01:45:56,579
Please make no noise, please. And those are my questions.

1442
01:45:56,579 --> 01:46:02,405
Thank you, Mayor. Councilor mccawk here. Next. Thank you, mayor.

1443
01:46:02,405 --> 01:46:04,605
And this one, I believe, will go to Mr. Robinson.

1444
01:46:04,605 --> 01:46:07,669
Just a quick question. Not sure. You need to come

1445
01:46:07,669 --> 01:46:14,639
forward. Discussion of accessible parking spaces. Just in a quick

1446
01:46:14,639 --> 01:46:17,039
view of the townhouses. They're proposed they look to me

1447
01:46:17,039 --> 01:46:23,282
to be upstairs, downstairs, so probably not accessible. Yeah, go

1448
01:46:23,282 --> 01:46:27,042
ahead through. You, chair to the councilor. You are correct.

1449
01:46:27,042 --> 01:46:29,522
There's a lower. Unit, which is a half story below

1450
01:46:29,522 --> 01:46:32,850
grade, and then an upper unit. Which is a half

1451
01:46:32,850 --> 01:46:38,112
story grade. At this time. There's not accessible units that

1452
01:46:38,112 --> 01:46:43,723
have been contemplated. When we do get to. The site

1453
01:46:43,723 --> 01:46:49,593
plan approval process and the detailed elevations. And floor plans

1454
01:46:49,593 --> 01:46:54,286
are reviewed with staff. That level of detail will be

1455
01:46:54,286 --> 01:47:00,715
addressed through the site plan process. Thank you. Thank you.

1456
01:47:02,061 --> 01:47:05,050
Councilor jeffrey. Thank you, Mayor Hamlin. I think a lot

1457
01:47:05,050 --> 01:47:07,410
of the important questions have already been asked. I just

1458
01:47:07,410 --> 01:47:11,050
would really comment further with respect to traffic, I would

1459
01:47:11,050 --> 01:47:14,130
be flabbergasted if there's not something that comes out of

1460
01:47:14,130 --> 01:47:16,570
the traffic report because I think at some point we're

1461
01:47:16,570 --> 01:47:19,090
going to have to tap out on the capacity of

1462
01:47:19,090 --> 01:47:22,050
Highway 26 west, and I'm not sure where that happens.

1463
01:47:24,044 --> 01:47:29,097
But. No clapping, please. I know from my personal experience

1464
01:47:29,097 --> 01:47:32,664
right now, Some nights can feel like a parking lot.

1465
01:47:32,664 --> 01:47:36,161
And we're not even at ski season yet. And I

1466
01:47:36,161 --> 01:47:37,881
have to ask myself, what night of the week is

1467
01:47:37,881 --> 01:47:42,961
it? And it's only Tuesday or Wednesday. I think that

1468
01:47:42,961 --> 01:47:45,041
I'll be really interested to see what comes out of

1469
01:47:45,041 --> 01:47:50,161
the traffic notes. Okay. Thank you, deputy mayor thank you,

1470
01:47:50,161 --> 01:47:52,481
Mayor Hamlin. And I think just first off, I want

1471
01:47:52,481 --> 01:47:55,641
to thank the presenters, all the presenters, the public. It's

1472
01:47:55,641 --> 01:47:42,482
all good food for thought, for. Us to have. so

1473
01:47:59,065 --> 01:48:02,145
I'm looking forward to the staff report. As a member

1474
01:48:02,145 --> 01:48:04,425
of the Affordable Housing Task force, I do just want

1475
01:48:04,425 --> 01:48:07,585
to comment that I appreciate the efforts as a developer

1476
01:48:07,585 --> 01:48:11,931
in regards to. Coming up with some concept in regards

1477
01:48:11,931 --> 01:48:15,451
to helping us with our working middle, which we've identified

1478
01:48:15,451 --> 01:48:20,495
as a crisis situation in Collingwood. We have commented at

1479
01:48:20,495 --> 01:48:24,375
the task force level about how cooperative our development community

1480
01:48:24,375 --> 01:48:29,203
has been because. Municipality doesn't have an awful lot of

1481
01:48:29,203 --> 01:48:35,324
tools to work on affordable housing directly. We rely. Completely

1482
01:48:35,324 --> 01:48:39,610
on a cooperative effort by everybody involved. And so I

1483
01:48:39,610 --> 01:48:41,970
do want to commend you for your efforts in that

1484
01:48:41,970 --> 01:48:44,690
regard, and I look forward to the staff report because

1485
01:48:44,690 --> 01:48:47,010
that gives us the meat of everything that we've been

1486
01:48:47,010 --> 01:48:51,599
hearing today the impacts of it and that. When we

1487
01:48:51,599 --> 01:48:53,479
get that, that, of course, we'll be in a public

1488
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:57,279
environment where people have an opportunity to also share their

1489
01:48:57,279 --> 01:49:00,799
expressions of interest in regards to those reports. So I'm

1490
01:49:00,799 --> 01:49:04,719
looking forward to that next stage. Thank you. Thank you.

1491
01:49:04,719 --> 01:49:07,997
I'm sorry. The public portion of the meeting. Has been

1492
01:49:07,997 --> 01:49:11,573
closed. But this council meeting is not finished yet. I'm

1493
01:49:11,573 --> 01:49:14,493
just addressing a gentleman in the back. Who's got his

1494
01:49:14,493 --> 01:49:17,933
hand up, but you can write in and let us

1495
01:49:17,933 --> 01:49:25,438
know. Any other comments? Yes, go ahead. This part of

1496
01:49:25,438 --> 01:49:28,438
the meeting is not over yet. If you're wanting to

1497
01:49:28,438 --> 01:49:34,428
hear the rest. Of it. Thank you, Mayor Hamlin. I

1498
01:49:34,428 --> 01:49:37,188
just wanted to springboard off of deputy mayor Fryer's comments

1499
01:49:37,188 --> 01:49:39,268
to note that there is a sign up sheet at

1500
01:49:39,268 --> 01:49:42,646
the front. And some members have found that on their

1501
01:49:42,646 --> 01:49:46,646
way out. But community planner Wayne Wright will take that

1502
01:49:46,646 --> 01:49:49,286
out with her, and we would appreciate those who would

1503
01:49:49,286 --> 01:49:52,646
like to be updated when the staff report comes forward

1504
01:49:52,646 --> 01:49:55,766
to include your name and email address on that sign

1505
01:49:55,766 --> 01:49:57,766
up sheet so that you can continue to be informed

1506
01:49:57,766 --> 01:50:01,050
on this project. And I have a few questions as

1507
01:50:01,050 --> 01:50:05,881
well. I was wondering if there's just one parking spot

1508
01:50:05,881 --> 01:50:09,721
or unit, where will people park? Who? Have two cars.

1509
01:50:11,501 --> 01:50:13,501
I'll leave that in the ether, because I know this.

1510
01:50:17,325 --> 01:50:19,165
Can be addressed in the staff report. I'd be grateful.

1511
01:50:20,445 --> 01:50:22,725
I also would like to know if there's any amenity

1512
01:50:22,725 --> 01:50:29,153
space, outdoor amenity space. Associated with each unit. Because that

1513
01:50:29,153 --> 01:50:33,272
might influence how we see other things. And the third

1514
01:50:33,272 --> 01:50:36,352
thing is, I'm a bit concerned about the private roads.

1515
01:50:38,118 --> 01:50:39,958
I've expressed my view about private roads a number of

1516
01:50:39,958 --> 01:50:45,689
times. At council. And it's really associated with the fact

1517
01:50:45,689 --> 01:50:50,655
that. These owners, who presumably are buying more moderately priced

1518
01:50:50,655 --> 01:50:53,480
homes. Are in the future going to be saddled with

1519
01:50:53,480 --> 01:50:56,840
the cost of maintaining roads and the infrastructure. Under them.

1520
01:50:58,450 --> 01:51:02,290
And it's a hidden cost. And we know, sitting here,

1521
01:51:02,290 --> 01:51:07,299
how much it costs to repair. And replace. Services that

1522
01:51:07,299 --> 01:51:09,859
are under the ground and the pavement and so on.

1523
01:51:11,323 --> 01:51:13,523
So I do have a concern about that. And I

1524
01:51:13,523 --> 01:51:17,603
also have a concern about the width of it. I

1525
01:51:17,603 --> 01:51:23,384
heard the comment about the school buses, but also. I

1526
01:51:23,384 --> 01:51:26,024
think it's important that we make sure that the width

1527
01:51:26,024 --> 01:51:29,870
of any road is wide. Enough to accommodate. The garbage

1528
01:51:29,870 --> 01:51:34,983
trucks from Simcoe County. We pay so much in our

1529
01:51:34,983 --> 01:51:39,223
community to the county of Simcoe for garbage collection, and

1530
01:51:39,223 --> 01:51:41,703
so. Many of our residents. I think it could be

1531
01:51:41,703 --> 01:51:45,839
as high as a third. Get no garbage collection. Because

1532
01:51:45,839 --> 01:51:49,399
their roads aren't wide enough or some other rule that

1533
01:51:49,399 --> 01:51:52,519
we just didn't. Know about when these things were, when

1534
01:51:52,519 --> 01:51:56,614
buildings were being built. And that is really an excessive

1535
01:51:56,614 --> 01:52:00,334
cost for a community to have to look after its

1536
01:52:00,334 --> 01:52:04,574
own garbage. Account. So those are my comments. And if

1537
01:52:04,574 --> 01:52:08,859
there's none other here, I see none others. That's the

1538
01:52:08,859 --> 01:52:11,967
end of this part of the meeting. Thank you. All

1539
01:52:11,967 --> 01:52:16,185
right. So why don't we take a ten minute break?

1540
01:52:20,691 --> 01:52:21,851
And then we'll come back. Thank you.

1541
01:52:34,756 --> 01:52:39,766
Pat. Pathology.

1542
02:05:24,757 --> 02:05:30,290
Okay, council, we'll get back to work. Next item on

1543
02:05:30,290 --> 02:05:34,832
the agenda is 8.1. Our recommendation is that the minutes

1544
02:05:34,832 --> 02:05:38,552
of the Special Council committee of the whole held November

1545
02:05:38,552 --> 02:05:45,010
12, 2025 excluding committee of the whole recommendations. Council committee

1546
02:05:45,010 --> 02:05:49,956
of the whole meeting held November 17, 2025. Excluding committee

1547
02:05:49,956 --> 02:05:54,702
of the whole recommendations. Special council meeting held November 19,

1548
02:05:54,702 --> 02:06:00,982
2025 and council meeting held November 24, 2025. The approved

1549
02:06:00,982 --> 02:06:02,822
as presented. Could I have a move in a seconder,

1550
02:06:02,822 --> 02:06:07,822
please? Councilor Baines? Seconded by councillor Perry. Comments? All those

1551
02:06:07,822 --> 02:06:15,151
in favor? And that's unanimous. Is there any business arising

1552
02:06:15,151 --> 02:06:24,322
from those previous minutes? Seeing none. The next is. Recommendation

1553
02:06:24,322 --> 02:06:28,482
for approval from the committee of the whole recommendations and

1554
02:06:28,482 --> 02:06:33,839
Councilor Jeffrey at the beginning. Asked if we could pull

1555
02:06:33,839 --> 02:06:40,229
c 2020 514. So. Except for that one. Can I

1556
02:06:40,229 --> 02:06:44,949
have a mover in a second to approve the recommendations

1557
02:06:44,949 --> 02:06:47,389
from the committee of the. Whole meeting held November 12

1558
02:06:47,389 --> 02:06:53,509
and November 17, 2025. Councilor McCullough seconded by councilor Dougherty

1559
02:06:53,509 --> 02:06:58,976
comments. Jesus. All those in favor? And that's unanimous. Thank

1560
02:06:58,976 --> 02:07:04,684
you. And then item c 2020 514, can I have

1561
02:07:04,684 --> 02:07:10,341
a mover in a seconder for that one, please. Councilor

1562
02:07:10,341 --> 02:07:13,781
Dougherty, as seconded by councilor Perry. And over to you,

1563
02:07:13,781 --> 02:07:18,141
Councilor Jeffrey. Thank you very much, Mayor Hamlin. So in

1564
02:07:18,141 --> 02:07:23,884
reviewing the meeting and the minutes and things. I was

1565
02:07:23,884 --> 02:07:27,204
really quite surprised. I had expected a much more robust.

1566
02:07:28,602 --> 02:07:33,362
Conversation in terms of. Our governance side of the decisions

1567
02:07:33,362 --> 02:07:37,563
that were made or not made. And about the seriousness

1568
02:07:37,563 --> 02:07:41,763
of, about being able to attract younger and more diverse

1569
02:07:41,763 --> 02:07:46,824
candidates for council. And when you think of the complexity

1570
02:07:46,824 --> 02:07:51,562
of our files that we have, As counselors and council

1571
02:07:51,562 --> 02:07:56,359
members. I was explaining earlier to the clerk and the

1572
02:07:56,359 --> 02:08:00,297
CAO that the absorption of information. In a much more

1573
02:08:00,297 --> 02:08:04,709
shorter time. From the CAO as she oversees all of

1574
02:08:04,709 --> 02:08:06,829
the departments that we have to take that on board.

1575
02:08:07,876 --> 02:08:11,316
And digest it very quickly and responsibly to make really

1576
02:08:11,316 --> 02:08:14,531
good decisions. So I thought there would have been a

1577
02:08:14,531 --> 02:08:21,422
bit more conversation, with respect. To. The more demand that

1578
02:08:21,422 --> 02:08:24,422
is occurring on council members as we move forward in

1579
02:08:24,422 --> 02:08:28,142
different years and provincial policy that's been changing. And the

1580
02:08:28,142 --> 02:08:30,662
other thing that didn't get discussed, I don't think was.

1581
02:08:31,788 --> 02:08:35,634
A differential that has occurred now. With the county increase

1582
02:08:35,634 --> 02:08:38,634
for our mayor and deputy mayors. So the differential between.

1583
02:08:40,513 --> 02:08:43,913
The mayor. Who will. The mayor position will reach maybe

1584
02:08:43,913 --> 02:08:50,233
one 2120 thousand a year going forward. By 2027, and

1585
02:08:50,233 --> 02:08:52,673
the deputy mayor, who I think is maybe 80 and.

1586
02:08:53,955 --> 02:08:55,115
These aren't for sure, but I think I'm pretty close.

1587
02:08:56,718 --> 02:09:01,678
That we have council members at 28 five plus special

1588
02:09:01,678 --> 02:09:04,238
meetings. So I think that brings us in. Around a

1589
02:09:04,238 --> 02:09:10,657
base of 30,000. And it's difficult politically for an incoming

1590
02:09:10,657 --> 02:09:14,577
council to vote increases. So I think it's, incumbent upon

1591
02:09:14,577 --> 02:09:17,537
us as a council to take a really serious look

1592
02:09:17,537 --> 02:09:22,057
at that, to make that decision now for the incoming

1593
02:09:22,057 --> 02:09:28,841
council members. Given their responsibilities. And it won't impact the

1594
02:09:28,841 --> 02:09:33,161
2026 budget seriously, because that will only be about seven.

1595
02:09:33,161 --> 02:09:36,721
Weeks at the end of 2026. But the impact that

1596
02:09:36,721 --> 02:09:39,321
would come in and again, I don't think it's that

1597
02:09:39,321 --> 02:09:43,601
much. Depending on what? If I were able to have

1598
02:09:43,601 --> 02:09:47,850
council. Support an increase for council members in 2020. Seven

1599
02:09:47,850 --> 02:09:52,610
wouldn't be a really overburdensome one. So I guess for

1600
02:09:52,610 --> 02:09:55,450
the discussion. The other part of the discussion I thought

1601
02:09:55,450 --> 02:09:58,750
was important. Is that I didn't see us talking about

1602
02:09:58,750 --> 02:10:02,190
time of meetings, length of meetings, time of. Day, day.

1603
02:10:04,090 --> 02:10:08,170
All of those things that can weigh on the people

1604
02:10:08,170 --> 02:10:12,958
that you can attract around the table. To run this

1605
02:10:12,958 --> 02:10:16,531
business. So I guess what I'm asking is, I'd like

1606
02:10:16,531 --> 02:10:20,331
to refer to the budget. Process. The request for an

1607
02:10:20,331 --> 02:10:23,811
increase for council members to be considered in that budget

1608
02:10:23,811 --> 02:10:26,531
process. And I think the clerk agreed that that's the

1609
02:10:26,531 --> 02:10:31,612
appropriate process. If there's a time at future that we

1610
02:10:31,612 --> 02:10:33,692
can talk about all those other things, other than just.

1611
02:10:36,382 --> 02:10:40,662
Remuneration. I'd be certainly pleased to be able to participate

1612
02:10:40,662 --> 02:10:47,235
in that. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. So with that

1613
02:10:47,235 --> 02:10:50,257
comment in mind, Did you want to speak to this

1614
02:10:50,257 --> 02:10:58,108
as well? No. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. If I remember

1615
02:10:58,108 --> 02:11:01,188
correctly, I did speak to some of the topics of

1616
02:11:01,188 --> 02:11:05,670
the times and meetings and stuff. Through it. And the

1617
02:11:05,670 --> 02:11:08,430
challenging of everything happened during the day. So it definitely

1618
02:11:08,430 --> 02:11:15,579
was discussed. Deputy mayor thank you, Mayor Hamlin, and. I'll

1619
02:11:15,579 --> 02:11:18,779
just note that I agree fully. It's a challenging environment

1620
02:11:18,779 --> 02:11:22,830
to try to look, but I recognize. There's a real

1621
02:11:22,830 --> 02:11:29,191
change. In the differential between the county council members. And

1622
02:11:29,191 --> 02:11:31,071
the rest of council, and I don't see that being

1623
02:11:31,071 --> 02:11:36,620
a positive situation. So I did look at my method

1624
02:11:36,620 --> 02:11:40,060
for it was to reduce size and use the money

1625
02:11:40,060 --> 02:11:43,060
to spread out, and that was defeated, and I'll accept

1626
02:11:43,060 --> 02:11:46,909
that. The one question I was going to ask, and

1627
02:11:46,909 --> 02:11:48,869
it has a little bit to do with I had

1628
02:11:48,869 --> 02:11:52,149
been thinking of suggesting that putting a question on the

1629
02:11:52,149 --> 02:11:57,143
ballot. And whether the public would be receptive to going

1630
02:11:57,143 --> 02:12:02,468
down to seven, but. I know there was discussion from

1631
02:12:02,468 --> 02:12:05,388
councilor Baines about ward, so I wondered if we could.

1632
02:12:05,388 --> 02:12:09,828
Just my understanding of the situation. If you're going to

1633
02:12:09,828 --> 02:12:13,148
put a question on the ballot. Is, if council decides

1634
02:12:13,148 --> 02:12:14,748
there's going to be a question, it has to go

1635
02:12:14,748 --> 02:12:19,599
through a public process, including a public meeting. And that's

1636
02:12:19,599 --> 02:12:23,321
how you educate the public. In advance of answering the

1637
02:12:23,321 --> 02:12:26,041
question. And I'll just through you if I could marry

1638
02:12:26,041 --> 02:12:28,041
him. And just verify with the clerk that that's the

1639
02:12:28,041 --> 02:12:32,395
situation. And perhaps what kind of timing. Would be kind

1640
02:12:32,395 --> 02:12:36,458
of the last. Ability to do it. Yeah, go ahead,

1641
02:12:36,458 --> 02:12:39,898
clerk Thomas. Certainly. Thank you, your worship. To deputy Mary

1642
02:12:39,898 --> 02:12:43,942
Fryer's. Question. I don't have my specific notes up with

1643
02:12:43,942 --> 02:12:48,118
me regarding that question, but. There is set deadlines, and

1644
02:12:48,118 --> 02:12:51,118
I believe they're around the beginning of March. Processes have

1645
02:12:51,118 --> 02:12:56,886
to be starting. Within generally mid January, and then there's

1646
02:12:56,886 --> 02:12:59,726
certain notice period that's required for the public and then

1647
02:12:59,726 --> 02:13:02,606
council has to pass a bylaw. But I can provide

1648
02:13:02,606 --> 02:13:06,997
further detail on what. Those timelines are. Just to clarify,

1649
02:13:06,997 --> 02:13:10,197
though, I believe the March 1 date is when it

1650
02:13:10,197 --> 02:13:15,598
all have to be completed. By right. It's not educating

1651
02:13:15,598 --> 02:13:19,398
the public. After March 1, you would still do that,

1652
02:13:19,398 --> 02:13:21,478
but there's. A requirement you have to meet. And that's

1653
02:13:21,478 --> 02:13:26,940
up to March 1, right? Yeah. Thank you. I'll just

1654
02:13:26,940 --> 02:13:28,980
add I didn't find it. I know you found it

1655
02:13:28,980 --> 02:13:34,742
surprising we didn't talk about councilor compensation. But. It's not

1656
02:13:34,742 --> 02:13:38,902
been raised here while I've been married. I'm not opposed.

1657
02:13:38,902 --> 02:13:44,271
To having a discussion. I know. Usually. We have a

1658
02:13:44,271 --> 02:13:47,791
report done for us to show how comparative municipalities are

1659
02:13:47,791 --> 02:13:50,751
done. So I guess we'll get into that more when.

1660
02:13:53,202 --> 02:13:56,479
We talk about the budget, whether that's needed. The only

1661
02:13:56,479 --> 02:14:00,191
thing I'll correct is. I think the compensation for the

1662
02:14:00,191 --> 02:14:06,317
mayor. Once the county. Is fully integrated because there hadn't

1663
02:14:06,317 --> 02:14:10,253
been an increase there for 20 years. County Council was

1664
02:14:10,253 --> 02:14:17,146
the lowest paid of all the upper tier. Local government.

1665
02:14:17,146 --> 02:14:21,375
So I think with that, My calculation is about 110.

1666
02:14:21,375 --> 02:14:24,575
So it's close, but 110. But anyway, we'll look. Forward

1667
02:14:24,575 --> 02:14:29,255
to discussing that during the budget. Mary Hamilton I guess

1668
02:14:29,255 --> 02:14:32,948
I made the assumption based on the fact that. Management.

1669
02:14:32,948 --> 02:14:36,708
Quag's report was in touched to the agenda which had

1670
02:14:36,708 --> 02:14:42,125
all the comparators from. 21, 22. And so I made

1671
02:14:42,125 --> 02:14:44,325
the assumption that the information was there and had the

1672
02:14:44,325 --> 02:14:46,205
potential to be discussed. But I wasn't here to bring

1673
02:14:46,205 --> 02:14:50,899
it up. Yeah, okay. Thank you. So we'll bring this

1674
02:14:50,899 --> 02:14:53,499
to a vote then. This is with respect to that

1675
02:14:53,499 --> 02:14:58,220
one item. C 20 514. All those in favor. And

1676
02:14:58,220 --> 02:15:03,255
that's unanimous. Thank you. The next item is. So this

1677
02:15:03,255 --> 02:15:05,917
was dealt with. At the committee of the whole meeting

1678
02:15:05,917 --> 02:15:09,997
and carried five to three. The recommendation is that staff

1679
02:15:09,997 --> 02:15:14,877
report. C 2020 513 naming the new waterfront park twelve

1680
02:15:14,877 --> 02:15:18,277
side launch wave you received and the Council endorsed the

1681
02:15:18,277 --> 02:15:20,997
name Harbor Junction is the official name for the new

1682
02:15:20,997 --> 02:15:25,005
waterfront park at twelve side launch. Way. As recommended by

1683
02:15:25,005 --> 02:15:28,605
the naming committee in accordance with the facility naming policy.

1684
02:15:29,955 --> 02:15:31,355
Could I have a mover in a seconder to get

1685
02:15:31,355 --> 02:15:33,075
this on the floor? You have. Something to say before

1686
02:15:33,075 --> 02:15:38,113
we get it on the floor. Okay, good. Anyone want

1687
02:15:38,113 --> 02:15:42,551
to put this on the floor? For discussion. Councilor Dougherty,

1688
02:15:42,551 --> 02:15:49,172
seconder. Okay, so this item goes off the agenda. Mayor

1689
02:15:49,172 --> 02:15:51,132
Hammond, I was going to ask to sever so that

1690
02:15:51,132 --> 02:15:54,341
we could receive first. Sure, but I feel like we

1691
02:15:54,341 --> 02:15:56,341
have to get it on the floor first or this

1692
02:15:56,341 --> 02:15:59,021
item will disappear. I'm just saying you have to bring

1693
02:15:59,021 --> 02:16:02,821
it with another motion and notice emotion and. So on.

1694
02:16:02,821 --> 02:16:06,701
I'll second. Thank you. Discuss. Okay. Thank you. Okay. And

1695
02:16:06,701 --> 02:16:09,581
you would like the two items severed, so that's good.

1696
02:16:11,227 --> 02:16:13,187
So let's just deal with the first one, which is

1697
02:16:13,187 --> 02:16:18,380
receiving the report. All those in favor? And that's unanimous.

1698
02:16:18,380 --> 02:16:21,180
Thank you. The second part. Who would like to. Speak

1699
02:16:21,180 --> 02:16:30,677
to this. councilor beans Thank you, Mayor Hamlet. I

1700
02:16:30,677 --> 02:16:33,517
respect greatly the process that came up with a name.

1701
02:16:35,915 --> 02:16:38,995
And supported it at that time. However, subsequent to that,

1702
02:16:38,995 --> 02:16:44,045
I've had discussions with various members. Of the community. And

1703
02:16:44,045 --> 02:16:53,720
read with great interest the museum's article about. The. Dry.

1704
02:16:53,720 --> 02:16:56,360
What am I thinking of? The name escapes me right

1705
02:16:56,360 --> 02:17:01,002
now, but the dry talks. Yes, of course. And frankly,

1706
02:17:01,002 --> 02:17:05,565
I must say, touched by my colleague. Councilor rings plea,

1707
02:17:05,565 --> 02:17:08,925
if you will, for that name, actually, and I have

1708
02:17:08,925 --> 02:17:14,384
changed my position on this. And now support. Dry dock

1709
02:17:14,384 --> 02:17:17,504
junction, I think as an appropriate name at this point.

1710
02:17:19,354 --> 02:17:21,554
I don't do this lightly, but I really do think

1711
02:17:21,554 --> 02:17:25,194
it's the appropriate name. Upon reflection, so that will be

1712
02:17:25,194 --> 02:17:28,373
my position. That. That name, I think, is appropriate at

1713
02:17:28,373 --> 02:17:33,435
this time. Okay, so it's the name you're putting forward

1714
02:17:33,435 --> 02:17:38,602
is dry docks junction. Is that. Correct. Dry dock junction.

1715
02:17:38,602 --> 02:17:42,940
Dry dock junction. Got it. Okay. Anyone else like to

1716
02:17:42,940 --> 02:17:47,807
speak to this councilor Perry? Thank you, Mayor Hamlin. I've

1717
02:17:47,807 --> 02:17:52,505
pondered this for two weeks now. And written down my

1718
02:17:52,505 --> 02:17:54,985
thoughts. So please bear with me because I don't want

1719
02:17:54,985 --> 02:17:58,418
to forget. Anything. I've been thinking about this a lot

1720
02:17:58,418 --> 02:18:02,823
and very uneasy about it. Dry dock junction is a

1721
02:18:02,823 --> 02:18:07,263
strong name that reflects our shipyard heritage and past employees.

1722
02:18:07,263 --> 02:18:09,503
My worry is that we have asked the public for

1723
02:18:09,503 --> 02:18:13,023
input, and we probably had the best public response. We've

1724
02:18:13,023 --> 02:18:17,337
had for anything. At least that I can remember. My

1725
02:18:17,337 --> 02:18:19,777
concern is by changing the name that was chosen by

1726
02:18:19,777 --> 02:18:23,407
the committee because. We perhaps don't like it or we

1727
02:18:23,407 --> 02:18:26,407
don't feel it represents the area. What kind of message.

1728
02:18:27,906 --> 02:18:30,466
Is it sending to residents who may want to have

1729
02:18:30,466 --> 02:18:33,426
their opinions heard, but we just ignore them? And do

1730
02:18:33,426 --> 02:18:39,534
what we want anyway. After careful consideration and conversations with

1731
02:18:39,534 --> 02:18:45,399
councilor ring, councilor Baines and others. I fully support dry

1732
02:18:45,399 --> 02:18:49,312
docked junction. As I said. It's a great name, but

1733
02:18:49,312 --> 02:18:52,232
I think some thoughts should have been put into the

1734
02:18:52,232 --> 02:18:55,712
junction. Or the yard. Both simplified names, and it removes

1735
02:18:55,712 --> 02:18:59,232
any confusion over harborhouse. The junction was one of the

1736
02:18:59,232 --> 02:19:02,380
top five that was chosen by the committee. And I

1737
02:19:02,380 --> 02:19:04,420
venture to say that it will end up being called

1738
02:19:04,420 --> 02:19:07,700
the junction if dry dock junction. Does become the name,

1739
02:19:07,700 --> 02:19:10,797
just to shorten it up, as we always do. My

1740
02:19:10,797 --> 02:19:13,797
thoughts are about trying to honor the process of public

1741
02:19:13,797 --> 02:19:17,317
engagement, respect the important history and past employees of the

1742
02:19:17,317 --> 02:19:20,237
shipyard, and I know there will be many references to

1743
02:19:20,237 --> 02:19:23,037
dry dock and to the shipyards all through the park.

1744
02:19:24,312 --> 02:19:28,472
As Director Cubit mentioned two weeks ago. Anyway, that's where

1745
02:19:28,472 --> 02:19:37,330
I stand. Thank you. Deputy mayor. Thank you, mayor. I'm

1746
02:19:37,330 --> 02:19:41,809
going to also say. I understand the facility naming process

1747
02:19:41,809 --> 02:19:46,652
and appreciate the work that was done. And brought forward

1748
02:19:46,652 --> 02:19:50,052
the recommendation. That council is the one who has to

1749
02:19:50,052 --> 02:19:51,492
consider it. Council is the one who has to make

1750
02:19:51,492 --> 02:19:55,328
the decision. Or it wouldn't be coming back to us.

1751
02:19:55,328 --> 02:19:57,488
The committee would just decide what it is. And that's

1752
02:19:57,488 --> 02:20:01,381
what it is. When Terminal's point was the name selected

1753
02:20:01,381 --> 02:20:05,117
for the process, I didn't fully agree. With it. But

1754
02:20:05,117 --> 02:20:07,317
I supported the choice of the committee in that case.

1755
02:20:08,974 --> 02:20:12,309
In the case of Piazza, though. To a much greater

1756
02:20:12,309 --> 02:20:15,989
extent. I don't agree with it and can't support any

1757
02:20:15,989 --> 02:20:17,909
of the five names that were proposed, I do support.

1758
02:20:19,221 --> 02:20:23,884
The dry dock junction name that has been proposed. Dry

1759
02:20:23,884 --> 02:20:27,564
dock number one pioneered large scale shipbuilding in Ontario, as

1760
02:20:27,564 --> 02:20:31,160
it was the first major dry dock. That was born

1761
02:20:31,160 --> 02:20:34,160
from calling with success. With the advent of rail service,

1762
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:37,491
including the building of the original grain terminals. As a

1763
02:20:37,491 --> 02:20:41,571
step forward. The initial name captured the significant step forward

1764
02:20:41,571 --> 02:20:44,651
of dry dock one as it was Collingwood dry dock

1765
02:20:44,651 --> 02:20:48,651
shipbuilding and foundry. Dry duck number one operated for the

1766
02:20:48,651 --> 02:20:52,851
entire 103 years life. Of the shipyards. Regarding the harbor

1767
02:20:52,851 --> 02:20:56,651
reference, I can see why some favorite, but just can't.

1768
02:20:56,651 --> 02:20:58,954
Look past. The fact that Harbor House condo building is

1769
02:20:58,954 --> 02:21:02,194
immediately adjacent, and I think it creates an appearance of

1770
02:21:02,194 --> 02:21:07,833
the piazza being a private park for harbor house. Yeah.

1771
02:21:07,833 --> 02:21:10,553
Signage will be in place and identify that it isn't,

1772
02:21:10,553 --> 02:21:12,993
but I think there may be cases where people move

1773
02:21:12,993 --> 02:21:16,233
on to another location because they're not unsure before they

1774
02:21:16,233 --> 02:21:19,233
have a chance to see the signage, so I continue

1775
02:21:19,233 --> 02:21:25,194
to support. Dry dog junction going forward, and I want

1776
02:21:25,194 --> 02:21:29,681
to just explain the reasons why. Thank you. Thank you.

1777
02:21:31,189 --> 02:21:38,177
Councilor Dougherty. Thank you, chair. I'm sort of. Of the

1778
02:21:38,177 --> 02:21:47,029
same. View. As councilor Perry. That the public spoke. We

1779
02:21:47,029 --> 02:21:49,949
put a committee in place. They came forward with a

1780
02:21:49,949 --> 02:21:57,270
recommendation. I also appreciate the fact that. Ultimately, council does

1781
02:21:57,270 --> 02:22:03,759
have the last say. So to that end, Through you

1782
02:22:03,759 --> 02:22:10,653
to Director Cubit. Did dry dock junction even appear? On

1783
02:22:10,653 --> 02:22:14,982
the list. Go ahead. Director Cuban. Sorry. Thank you. I'm

1784
02:22:14,982 --> 02:22:17,262
going to refer back to clerk Almaz. As I was

1785
02:22:17,262 --> 02:22:25,216
not part of the naming committee. Clerk Thomas. Ironically, I've

1786
02:22:25,216 --> 02:22:27,816
just been doing a little search on that through to

1787
02:22:27,816 --> 02:22:34,915
Councilor Dougherty. Dried out junction was not. however The reference

1788
02:22:34,915 --> 02:22:41,217
to drydock was eight times. So out of the 160

1789
02:22:41,217 --> 02:22:45,449
plus submissions, Drydock was noted. Eight out of harbor, it

1790
02:22:45,449 --> 02:22:54,496
was noted 17. Thank you. Thank you. Councilor

1791
02:22:54,496 --> 02:23:00,711
ring. Thank you very much, Mayor Hamlin. And I, too.

1792
02:23:00,711 --> 02:23:06,063
You know what? I've spoke quite a bit against. The

1793
02:23:06,063 --> 02:23:08,823
proposed name of Harbor Junction at that last meeting and

1794
02:23:08,823 --> 02:23:11,857
was one of. The three knee votes at that time.

1795
02:23:13,118 --> 02:23:17,788
And I do appreciate the process. I still couldn't get

1796
02:23:17,788 --> 02:23:23,213
over the fact that. When this all started, we said

1797
02:23:23,213 --> 02:23:25,133
we were going to try to name the park that

1798
02:23:25,133 --> 02:23:29,950
had some significance to our heritage, our history. Location where

1799
02:23:29,950 --> 02:23:34,771
it is. And I just couldn't see. How we could

1800
02:23:34,771 --> 02:23:40,684
not pick drydock over harbor and then. With the location

1801
02:23:40,684 --> 02:23:43,484
of the park going to be basically on the same

1802
02:23:43,484 --> 02:23:47,837
property as Harbor House. It's not going to have any

1803
02:23:47,837 --> 02:23:52,658
special significance to the economy. Shipyards. It's been 40 years

1804
02:23:52,658 --> 02:23:58,446
since it's been closed. But. If we keep not. Trying

1805
02:23:58,446 --> 02:24:01,316
to carry the name on. At some point, we're going

1806
02:24:01,316 --> 02:24:11,119
to forget what it is. Dry dock junction. Is exactly

1807
02:24:11,119 --> 02:24:14,779
what it should be called. Because of deputy Fryer. Just

1808
02:24:14,779 --> 02:24:16,459
give them a little bit of history there with the

1809
02:24:16,459 --> 02:24:21,609
significance, with the railway railroad. And. The part. The two

1810
02:24:21,609 --> 02:24:24,420
of them both play at the same time. I'm having

1811
02:24:24,420 --> 02:24:28,420
a hard time because I'm a diehard supporter of this

1812
02:24:28,420 --> 02:24:37,474
town. And the history of this town. I think. We

1813
02:24:37,474 --> 02:24:41,357
all know that. Since I've been alive, we've had all

1814
02:24:41,357 --> 02:24:46,877
kinds of. Manufacturing. Plants within the town of Collingwood that

1815
02:24:46,877 --> 02:24:51,448
have closed. But the only one that still anybody ever

1816
02:24:51,448 --> 02:24:55,392
talks about is a shipyard. I don't want that to

1817
02:24:55,392 --> 02:24:59,045
ever end, so, I mean. This town was built on

1818
02:24:59,045 --> 02:25:02,325
ship building, and I think just a little thing, like

1819
02:25:02,325 --> 02:25:09,435
a significant name. That reflects that. Is worth the change

1820
02:25:09,435 --> 02:25:16,803
to this suggested name today. Hey. Thank you, Councilor Dougherty.

1821
02:25:16,803 --> 02:25:21,062
Wait, I should just see if anyone else. Spoken. Councilor

1822
02:25:21,062 --> 02:25:24,342
JeffRey well, thank you very much, Mayor ham. And someone

1823
02:25:24,342 --> 02:25:27,662
who was reading about this from afar. I have to

1824
02:25:27,662 --> 02:25:30,022
say I'm relieved to get back and hear this conversation.

1825
02:25:32,313 --> 02:25:35,248
Because. I was with some long the tooth Collingwood people

1826
02:25:35,248 --> 02:25:37,168
as well, and we all had kind of the same.

1827
02:25:39,311 --> 02:25:41,751
Feeling about it without knowing what was going on here

1828
02:25:41,751 --> 02:25:46,375
in the background, so. I'm really relieved. And would really

1829
02:25:46,375 --> 02:25:50,735
support. And again, I do understand we've had that process

1830
02:25:50,735 --> 02:25:54,508
as long as we've had advisory committees. There's always had

1831
02:25:54,508 --> 02:25:56,388
to be this understanding that as much of the work

1832
02:25:56,388 --> 02:25:59,108
it's an evolution. And what they bring, they've already processed

1833
02:25:59,108 --> 02:26:01,228
through to us, and we get it. At a very

1834
02:26:01,228 --> 02:26:04,969
finite place, and then we do make that decision. And

1835
02:26:04,969 --> 02:26:06,729
that's never going to change as long as we have

1836
02:26:06,729 --> 02:26:12,626
advisory committees. And committees that support us in many ways,

1837
02:26:12,626 --> 02:26:16,106
like facility naming. So very much a supporter of dry

1838
02:26:16,106 --> 02:26:21,893
dog junction. Okay, thank you. Councilor Potts. Thanks, Mayor Hamlin.

1839
02:26:21,893 --> 02:26:25,133
As I was one of the naysayers at the last

1840
02:26:25,133 --> 02:26:29,613
meeting. Again, I would not support Harvard Junction. I do

1841
02:26:29,613 --> 02:26:34,173
support the dry dock junction name. Even after last meeting,

1842
02:26:34,173 --> 02:26:36,533
I spoke with a lot of residents in the municipality.

1843
02:26:38,549 --> 02:26:42,709
Some that were new to Collingwood, long term Collingwood, and

1844
02:26:42,709 --> 02:26:46,310
it was all a common theme that. It was, I

1845
02:26:46,310 --> 02:26:50,134
guess, the history that. The heritage in history that really

1846
02:26:50,134 --> 02:26:54,741
should be displayed here. So again, I do support the

1847
02:26:54,741 --> 02:26:58,221
dry dock name. I do appreciate the time that committees

1848
02:26:58,221 --> 02:27:01,581
put in. And people put in for their efforts, but

1849
02:27:01,581 --> 02:27:04,932
in something like this. The harbor name. I just. Right

1850
02:27:04,932 --> 02:27:08,172
from the get go. I just do not think it

1851
02:27:08,172 --> 02:27:13,950
justifies. What we're all about. So I would support the

1852
02:27:13,950 --> 02:27:19,050
dry dock name. Thanks. Thank you. Clerk Thomas. Thank you.

1853
02:27:19,050 --> 02:27:24,995
Just for reference. The yard was referenced 22 times. Okay.

1854
02:27:29,922 --> 02:27:37,671
Councilor Dougherty. Thank you, chair. So. In the staff report,

1855
02:27:37,671 --> 02:27:44,708
there was an alternative recommendation and. If the main motion

1856
02:27:44,708 --> 02:27:47,508
fails, I'd like to put that forward and that is

1857
02:27:47,508 --> 02:27:52,228
that, council. Would proceed with. A 15 day public consultation

1858
02:27:52,228 --> 02:27:56,188
to receive comments on the recommended name. So if council

1859
02:27:56,188 --> 02:28:00,508
feels strongly about the dry dock junction. Let's put it

1860
02:28:00,508 --> 02:28:06,202
to our residents before we make a unilateral. Decision. Okay,

1861
02:28:06,202 --> 02:28:09,522
so perhaps at this time I should be asking if

1862
02:28:09,522 --> 02:28:12,242
there is an amendment to the main. Motion to change

1863
02:28:12,242 --> 02:28:19,845
the name that's proposed. Because. It says right now, harbor

1864
02:28:19,845 --> 02:28:24,006
Junction. So I think. I'm looking for an amendment. Is

1865
02:28:24,006 --> 02:28:26,446
that correct, or do you think we should vote this?

1866
02:28:26,446 --> 02:28:30,556
Down. Voted down. Okay. All right, so we'll do that.

1867
02:28:32,333 --> 02:28:35,630
Or not, depending on how the vote goes. Is there

1868
02:28:35,630 --> 02:28:37,910
anyone else who'd like to speak before we come to

1869
02:28:37,910 --> 02:28:40,310
a vote on the. Second part of this motion, then

1870
02:28:40,310 --> 02:28:46,237
the name. No. Okay. All those in favor of the

1871
02:28:46,237 --> 02:28:53,627
Harvard junction. And those opposed. Hey, that's unanimous. Thank you.

1872
02:28:53,627 --> 02:29:01,714
All right. Counselor ring. Oh, sorry. No, you got to

1873
02:29:01,714 --> 02:29:07,846
add up. After you. No, after you. Okay, go ahead,

1874
02:29:07,846 --> 02:29:10,486
Kelsey. Thank you very much, Mayor Hamlet. Thank you very.

1875
02:29:10,486 --> 02:29:15,521
Much councilor beans. I know you mentioned it and brought

1876
02:29:15,521 --> 02:29:17,961
this topic up, but I'd like to make a motion

1877
02:29:17,961 --> 02:29:22,733
to go with the name. Of the piazza park down

1878
02:29:22,733 --> 02:29:28,479
at the waterfront there. The renamed. To dry, dark junction.

1879
02:29:30,790 --> 02:29:33,150
Okay. Thank you. And Councilor Maines will second that. Any

1880
02:29:33,150 --> 02:29:41,025
further discussion? councilor doherty Thank you, mayor. So just per

1881
02:29:41,025 --> 02:29:45,603
my previous comments, I'd like to ask that. Should council

1882
02:29:45,603 --> 02:29:49,878
agree on that name, that we would at least. Provide

1883
02:29:49,878 --> 02:29:56,547
a 15 day public consultation. On the council recommended name.

1884
02:29:56,547 --> 02:29:59,867
Okay, so I'll treat this as an amendment to councilor.

1885
02:29:59,867 --> 02:30:07,551
Ring's motion. Would there be a seconder? Councilor Baines. Sir.

1886
02:30:15,853 --> 02:30:20,985
Negligible. Thank you. Is there a seconder for Councilor Dougherty's

1887
02:30:20,985 --> 02:30:25,209
motion? Yell second at. Okay, so we'll deal with the

1888
02:30:25,209 --> 02:30:29,032
amendment. And deputy mayor. You'd like to speak to it?

1889
02:30:30,586 --> 02:30:34,584
Amendment. Yes. I just wanted to ask councilor Dougherty if

1890
02:30:34,584 --> 02:30:37,144
she wants to go first or last. In speaking to

1891
02:30:37,144 --> 02:30:43,207
it. Deputy mayor Virtila one thing I had in mind

1892
02:30:43,207 --> 02:30:47,753
over the two weeks was. It seemed to me that

1893
02:30:47,753 --> 02:30:51,486
we hadn't had any input from the Heritage committee. So.

1894
02:30:53,168 --> 02:30:56,048
I can certainly support the idea of putting the name

1895
02:30:56,048 --> 02:30:58,568
out there and seeing what response we get. From the

1896
02:30:58,568 --> 02:31:03,372
public. But. I would specifically ask that the Heritage committee

1897
02:31:03,372 --> 02:31:08,144
be asked for their input. So would you accept that

1898
02:31:08,144 --> 02:31:13,344
as a friendly amendment to the 15 day period? I

1899
02:31:13,344 --> 02:31:15,664
believe they have a meeting coming up on Thursday the

1900
02:31:15,664 --> 02:31:23,121
fourth. Thank you. Yeah. So. During that 15 day that

1901
02:31:23,121 --> 02:31:26,561
it would go to the heritage committee and the public.

1902
02:31:28,934 --> 02:31:32,054
Okay. All right. Anyone else like to speak to this

1903
02:31:32,054 --> 02:31:36,814
councilor ring? Just a question through you. To clerk Almas

1904
02:31:36,814 --> 02:31:43,047
what takes place in the 15 days? Go ahead. Thank

1905
02:31:43,047 --> 02:31:46,487
you. Through Mary Hamlin to Councilor Ring. I'm not sure

1906
02:31:46,487 --> 02:31:52,380
if we've. Had to undertake this. In this process, but.

1907
02:31:53,722 --> 02:31:57,042
It would be using our social media channels, using engage

1908
02:31:57,042 --> 02:32:00,882
Collingwood, putting a survey up, getting people to comment accepting

1909
02:32:00,882 --> 02:32:06,156
email feedback. Any sort of way that we can solicit

1910
02:32:06,156 --> 02:32:11,173
feedback on the name. We would undertake. Let me follow

1911
02:32:11,173 --> 02:32:16,583
up with that. So then after the 15 days. Is

1912
02:32:16,583 --> 02:32:19,487
just. To tabulate all the information that you've got from

1913
02:32:19,487 --> 02:32:25,346
the public and who determines. Certainly. So, for clarification, we

1914
02:32:25,346 --> 02:32:26,906
will put it back in a report, bring it back

1915
02:32:26,906 --> 02:32:28,786
to council that this is the feedback that we heard

1916
02:32:28,786 --> 02:32:33,396
and then council would make the final decision. Councilor Perry,

1917
02:32:33,396 --> 02:32:35,996
I think. Clerk. The clerk just answered my question. But

1918
02:32:35,996 --> 02:32:38,636
we'd be voting. On this again, just so I'm clear.

1919
02:32:38,636 --> 02:32:44,899
Yes. Okay. Thank you. I'll come back to you. Councilor

1920
02:32:44,899 --> 02:32:47,459
McCullough. Thank you, Merrick. Just a quick follow up to

1921
02:32:47,459 --> 02:32:51,866
that question. What? If the answer comes back. No. The

1922
02:32:51,866 --> 02:32:54,817
people who submit do not like that name. Where do

1923
02:32:54,817 --> 02:32:56,697
we go from there? I think that's a good rhetorical

1924
02:32:56,697 --> 02:33:04,305
question. Go ahead. And we can't answer it until we

1925
02:33:04,305 --> 02:33:07,985
see. Right, but that's the type of information I think

1926
02:33:07,985 --> 02:33:12,304
is being sought by. The suggested amendment, so I would

1927
02:33:12,304 --> 02:33:18,077
just clarify if I could. Hoping that knowing that 15

1928
02:33:18,077 --> 02:33:21,869
days after today would be. Past the release of the

1929
02:33:21,869 --> 02:33:26,648
agenda for the 19th. Do you think it's doable to

1930
02:33:26,648 --> 02:33:28,968
still get it on as an amendment where we have

1931
02:33:28,968 --> 02:33:30,968
the information so that we can make a decision on

1932
02:33:30,968 --> 02:33:35,875
19th. Our next council committee. The whole meeting is the

1933
02:33:35,875 --> 02:33:38,835
15th. And no, we would not. It would come. Back

1934
02:33:38,835 --> 02:33:42,035
in the new year, so. And we would extend it,

1935
02:33:42,035 --> 02:33:49,807
allow additional comments as needed. I'll just weigh in with.

1936
02:33:49,807 --> 02:33:53,647
Every counselor has to ask themselves in their heart, will

1937
02:33:53,647 --> 02:33:57,207
they? Change their mind on the name that's before us

1938
02:33:57,207 --> 02:34:03,140
today. Because don't forget, we had 166 people weigh in

1939
02:34:03,140 --> 02:34:07,344
already on what they thought the name should be. And

1940
02:34:07,344 --> 02:34:10,184
that has been the most who have ever weighed in.

1941
02:34:10,184 --> 02:34:13,852
So our staff told us. So we can expect we're

1942
02:34:13,852 --> 02:34:17,531
going to hear from quite a number of people. So.

1943
02:34:18,921 --> 02:34:20,041
If you feel my view would be if you feel

1944
02:34:20,041 --> 02:34:24,324
your mind is open. Then you would support Councilor Dougherty's

1945
02:34:24,324 --> 02:34:28,163
motion. But if your mind is closed. Let's not put

1946
02:34:28,163 --> 02:34:31,203
our public through this and agonize over this again at

1947
02:34:31,203 --> 02:34:35,414
council. And. I'm not going to support it. Thank you.

1948
02:34:36,965 --> 02:34:40,527
This is your last goal. And I'm just going to

1949
02:34:40,527 --> 02:34:44,007
do what you suggested is state that I won't. Support

1950
02:34:44,007 --> 02:34:46,807
it for that reason. I thought it was doable in

1951
02:34:46,807 --> 02:34:51,287
the near future, and since it's not. I'm supportive of

1952
02:34:51,287 --> 02:34:56,797
dry dock junction and going forward, thank you. Anyone else

1953
02:34:56,797 --> 02:35:00,757
before I let councilor Dougherty have the last word. Go

1954
02:35:00,757 --> 02:35:07,815
ahead, councilor Dougherty. Thank you, mayor. My rationale is, I

1955
02:35:07,815 --> 02:35:12,623
think, very simple. The name that council have put forward

1956
02:35:12,623 --> 02:35:17,079
is not a name that the public. Chose with any

1957
02:35:17,079 --> 02:35:23,372
frequency. So why not just offer two weeks of additional

1958
02:35:23,372 --> 02:35:26,732
consultation? Maybe they'll like the ring of it, and they'll

1959
02:35:26,732 --> 02:35:30,112
all come back and say it's a great name. My

1960
02:35:30,112 --> 02:35:38,547
mind is open either way. But. I think that. If

1961
02:35:38,547 --> 02:35:42,360
we're going to offer people the opportunity. To weigh in

1962
02:35:42,360 --> 02:35:47,607
on things like this. Let's listen to them. This is

1963
02:35:47,607 --> 02:35:52,384
what really. Is sort of bothering me about. The alternative

1964
02:35:52,384 --> 02:35:55,784
name. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. So we'll bring this

1965
02:35:55,784 --> 02:36:03,354
to a vote. So we're voting on the amendment. To

1966
02:36:03,354 --> 02:36:08,096
the name. Which. Is the amendment to the motion to

1967
02:36:08,096 --> 02:36:11,256
change the name. Which is if we change the name.

1968
02:36:12,696 --> 02:36:14,456
That we would go to the public with it for

1969
02:36:14,456 --> 02:36:18,854
a 15 day period to solicit. Further advice. And a

1970
02:36:18,854 --> 02:36:22,494
report back from the clerk. I think I've captured that.

1971
02:36:22,494 --> 02:36:26,940
Yes. Okay. All those. In favor. It's one. And those

1972
02:36:26,940 --> 02:36:32,415
opposed? So that fails. Thank you. Okay, now, the main

1973
02:36:32,415 --> 02:36:37,328
motion is. To name the Nukewaterfront park at twelve side

1974
02:36:37,328 --> 02:36:42,580
launch, way to be dry dock junction. And we had

1975
02:36:42,580 --> 02:36:44,220
a mover in a seconder, so I'm just going to

1976
02:36:44,220 --> 02:36:48,178
bring this to a vote. All those in favor? And

1977
02:36:48,178 --> 02:36:53,391
opposed. Okay, that carries with one opposed. Okay, thank you,

1978
02:36:53,391 --> 02:36:59,197
everybody. That was a thing. All right. No staff reports,

1979
02:36:59,197 --> 02:37:02,997
but we do have two bylaws here. The first one,

1980
02:37:02,997 --> 02:37:07,624
and I'm looking for a mover and a seconder. That

1981
02:37:07,624 --> 02:37:12,372
we enact and pass bylaw 2025. 82, being a bylaw

1982
02:37:12,372 --> 02:37:15,812
to provide for the 2026 interim tax levy could have

1983
02:37:15,812 --> 02:37:19,452
a mover and a seconder. Councilor Jeffrey send seconded by

1984
02:37:19,452 --> 02:37:25,920
councilor McCullough. Comment all those in favor? And that's approved.

1985
02:37:25,920 --> 02:37:29,280
The second one is to enact and pass bylaw 20

1986
02:37:29,280 --> 02:37:34,280
25. 83 being a bylaw to authorize the execution of

1987
02:37:34,280 --> 02:37:38,200
a development charge exemption agreement between the corporation of the

1988
02:37:38,200 --> 02:37:42,400
town of Collingwood and Simata Properties, Inc. For the property,

1989
02:37:42,400 --> 02:37:45,277
address is 4726. 6th street could have him move her

1990
02:37:45,277 --> 02:37:53,659
in a second. Councilor Perry, seconded by Counselor Dougherty. Comments.

1991
02:37:54,812 --> 02:37:58,652
Deputy mayor. Thank you, Mayor Hamlin. I threw you. Could

1992
02:37:58,652 --> 02:38:03,887
we turn to the Cao or. To director Valentine. Or

1993
02:38:03,887 --> 02:38:08,649
maybe director Graham, I guess. Can they give us a

1994
02:38:08,649 --> 02:38:13,129
little bit of background on this? Just to refamiliarize myself

1995
02:38:13,129 --> 02:38:16,289
on it. Yeah, I think director Valentine is happy to

1996
02:38:16,289 --> 02:38:21,312
speak. To this. Or not? Yes. Thank you, chair. I

1997
02:38:21,312 --> 02:38:25,272
can certainly start and had director Graham can layer on

1998
02:38:25,272 --> 02:38:28,992
on. Top, I did anticipate that council would want some

1999
02:38:28,992 --> 02:38:32,032
additional context with respect to this bylaw so with the

2000
02:38:32,032 --> 02:38:34,912
assistance of coordinator D'Souza, we came up with some remarks.

2001
02:38:36,295 --> 02:38:39,375
As background. Earlier this year, the owner and developer of

2002
02:38:39,375 --> 02:38:43,818
this particular property. Thought land use planning approvals to sever

2003
02:38:43,818 --> 02:38:46,978
the property into two parcels, and then they moved. Forward

2004
02:38:46,978 --> 02:38:49,578
with plans to build four dwelling units on each of

2005
02:38:49,578 --> 02:38:53,658
the resultant lots. So that's eight rental units that are

2006
02:38:53,658 --> 02:38:58,518
part of their project. This critical infill project was enabled

2007
02:38:58,518 --> 02:39:03,238
through the council's proactive passing of the quick wins support

2008
02:39:03,238 --> 02:39:06,838
for affordable housing zoning bylaw update and that does allow

2009
02:39:06,838 --> 02:39:10,638
up to four units as of right on. Residential properties

2010
02:39:10,638 --> 02:39:16,276
with appropriate servicing. This project. In staff's opinion, will contribute

2011
02:39:16,276 --> 02:39:19,876
to increasing the supply of rental housing within the community.

2012
02:39:19,876 --> 02:39:22,956
The developer's meta properties has decided on top of this

2013
02:39:22,956 --> 02:39:25,476
to make two of the rental units. Affordable, as per

2014
02:39:25,476 --> 02:39:29,916
the definition of affordable rentals under the Development Charges act,

2015
02:39:29,916 --> 02:39:33,796
and that does align with the town's own goals of

2016
02:39:33,796 --> 02:39:38,375
target for affordable rent. Rents to middle income houses. This

2017
02:39:38,375 --> 02:39:41,935
allows the project to take advantage of the legislative exemptions

2018
02:39:41,935 --> 02:39:45,295
for affordable housing units under the Development Charges act, meaning

2019
02:39:45,295 --> 02:39:48,855
that no dcs would be levied against those two affordable

2020
02:39:48,855 --> 02:39:51,735
units and they'd be required to be remained at an

2021
02:39:51,735 --> 02:39:55,375
affordable rent for a minimum of 25 years. In accordance

2022
02:39:55,375 --> 02:39:58,644
with the agreement, that would be execute. Executed with the

2023
02:39:58,644 --> 02:40:01,404
town. These are the first two affordable units that have

2024
02:40:01,404 --> 02:40:04,444
been eligible for the DC exemptions in Collingwood that we're

2025
02:40:04,444 --> 02:40:08,246
aware of. We do continue to hear consistent messaging from

2026
02:40:08,246 --> 02:40:12,586
the development community. That high costs, including development charges, are

2027
02:40:12,586 --> 02:40:16,866
a barrier to building affordable housing and housing supply more

2028
02:40:16,866 --> 02:40:21,066
generally. The exemption before you today does demonstrate that reductions

2029
02:40:21,066 --> 02:40:24,706
or exemptions in dcs that were put in place by

2030
02:40:24,706 --> 02:40:27,666
the province can make a difference in project performas and

2031
02:40:27,666 --> 02:40:32,360
can unlock affordable housing. In Collingwood. However, we're also compelled

2032
02:40:32,360 --> 02:40:35,160
to remind council that the province has not yet committed

2033
02:40:35,160 --> 02:40:38,920
to making municipalities whole with respect to DC exemptions and

2034
02:40:38,920 --> 02:40:41,920
reductions, and any loss of DC revenue would need to

2035
02:40:41,920 --> 02:40:45,693
be made up by other funding sources. Nonetheless, this marks

2036
02:40:45,693 --> 02:40:49,833
an important step in our affordable housing work. To date,

2037
02:40:49,833 --> 02:40:53,993
as you will recall, we have secured voluntary contributions from

2038
02:40:53,993 --> 02:40:57,953
developers of 34 affordable rental units. Within our community. And

2039
02:40:57,953 --> 02:41:00,553
although that seems modest, when we look at the overall

2040
02:41:00,553 --> 02:41:04,353
shortfall, it sees incremental steps that make a meaningful change

2041
02:41:04,353 --> 02:41:07,391
in our community. I'm not sure. Treasure. Graham, if you

2042
02:41:07,391 --> 02:41:09,911
wanted to add further comments to that, I'm. Seeing a

2043
02:41:09,911 --> 02:41:11,351
shake of the heads, so we will leave it at

2044
02:41:11,351 --> 02:41:14,191
that. Unless there is questions. Okay. Thank you for that

2045
02:41:14,191 --> 02:41:18,637
explanation. This is a follow up, then, Mayor Hamlin. I

2046
02:41:18,637 --> 02:41:21,357
want to highlight the efforts of staff in this regard.

2047
02:41:23,065 --> 02:41:27,105
We put some, what is called quickwind solutions in place.

2048
02:41:28,865 --> 02:41:31,345
And again, it highlights that the development community is working.

2049
02:41:32,832 --> 02:41:36,185
But the efforts of staff. These are nuances to the

2050
02:41:36,185 --> 02:41:39,386
regular way we do things. And they have to put

2051
02:41:39,386 --> 02:41:43,160
the extra effort in to make this all work. And

2052
02:41:43,160 --> 02:41:48,890
it's not just one department, it's many departments, so. It

2053
02:41:48,890 --> 02:41:55,364
is a pioneer approach that we've introduced. And are having

2054
02:41:55,364 --> 02:41:57,964
success with it. It doesn't matter how many units it

2055
02:41:57,964 --> 02:42:02,180
are that's. Successful, so. I do really want to express

2056
02:42:02,180 --> 02:42:06,022
appreciation to staff. And do that on behalf of my

2057
02:42:06,022 --> 02:42:09,982
colleagues, Councilor Dougherty and councilor Ring, who sit on the

2058
02:42:09,982 --> 02:42:13,222
affordable housing task force because it's certainly discussions that we

2059
02:42:13,222 --> 02:42:18,047
have regularly. At that meeting. So again, thank you for

2060
02:42:18,047 --> 02:42:21,767
the extra information. And again, thank you to staff for

2061
02:42:21,767 --> 02:42:26,281
all their efforts. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Any other

2062
02:42:26,281 --> 02:42:29,401
questions or comments about this bylaw? All those in favor?

2063
02:42:32,138 --> 02:42:37,063
And that's unanimous. Thank you. The next item is 11.3.

2064
02:42:39,620 --> 02:42:43,380
Perhaps I'll just say there's no updates for 11.1 or

2065
02:42:43,380 --> 02:42:48,460
11.2 so 11.3 is we're going to hear from manager

2066
02:42:48,460 --> 02:42:56,010
Leo. About Crenberry marsh water level monitoring update. Please come

2067
02:42:56,010 --> 02:43:04,915
to the podium. Yeah, sorry. I'll get it eventually.

2068
02:43:06,524 --> 02:43:10,484
Good afternoon. I'm just here to introduce project engineer Stuart

2069
02:43:10,484 --> 02:43:14,164
west to give an operational update. On the cranberry marsh,

2070
02:43:14,164 --> 02:43:16,764
and I'll just let everybody know that Ian Auckenden from

2071
02:43:16,764 --> 02:43:20,244
the NVCA is also online to answer any questions afterwards.

2072
02:43:20,244 --> 02:43:20,764
Okay, thank you.

2073
02:43:30,383 --> 02:43:32,783
Thank you very much, Manager Leo. It is hard to

2074
02:43:32,783 --> 02:43:38,755
pronounce. Sometimes I get it wrong. Good afternoon, members of

2075
02:43:38,755 --> 02:43:43,978
council, Madam mayor and members of the public. Next slide,

2076
02:43:43,978 --> 02:43:51,352
please. So just to provide a bit of background. Following

2077
02:43:51,352 --> 02:43:54,472
the council meeting on April 8, council provided a resolution

2078
02:43:54,472 --> 02:43:57,272
for staff to report back on remedial steps to take

2079
02:43:57,272 --> 02:43:59,432
to lure and maintain the water level within the cranberry

2080
02:43:59,432 --> 02:44:04,443
marsh. On November 4. Staff. Provided an operational update to

2081
02:44:04,443 --> 02:44:07,598
council on some of the initial steps taken. To date

2082
02:44:07,598 --> 02:44:11,883
during the investigation, which include. Incorporating the marsh within the

2083
02:44:11,883 --> 02:44:16,164
stormwater. Master plan. A partnership with the NBCA on water

2084
02:44:16,164 --> 02:44:19,124
level monitoring within the marsh for a full year. Our

2085
02:44:19,124 --> 02:44:23,324
public works and parks departments also assisted by cleaning brush

2086
02:44:23,324 --> 02:44:27,155
and debris from the cranberry trail. East outlet channel. Or

2087
02:44:27,155 --> 02:44:29,835
creek, and removal of a beaver by a licensed trapper

2088
02:44:29,835 --> 02:44:33,986
retained by the town. Next slide. Please. Monitoring within the

2089
02:44:33,986 --> 02:44:42,245
mersh started in august 2024. Three monitoring wells were installed,

2090
02:44:42,245 --> 02:44:45,605
one near the marsh outlet at Cranberry Trail east, one

2091
02:44:45,605 --> 02:44:49,428
near the boardwalk viewing platform. And a third near the

2092
02:44:49,428 --> 02:44:54,208
northwest corner of the marsh. Next slide, please. Signage was

2093
02:44:54,208 --> 02:44:57,608
installed near the lookout along the boardwalk, allowing the public

2094
02:44:57,608 --> 02:45:00,048
to learn more about the purpose of the water monitoring

2095
02:45:00,048 --> 02:45:03,088
stations and to participate in the ongoing monitoring of the

2096
02:45:03,088 --> 02:45:07,688
marsh. The NBCA received excellent participation from the public reporting

2097
02:45:07,688 --> 02:45:15,079
that they received 70 stakeholders. Sorry. Pictures from Stephanie stakeholders

2098
02:45:15,079 --> 02:45:19,859
that submitted photos and water levels for verification. March, April

2099
02:45:19,859 --> 02:45:23,779
and may receive the highest level of engagement each month,

2100
02:45:23,779 --> 02:45:28,499
receiving twelve submissions. Each month. Excuse me. Beaver activity was

2101
02:45:28,499 --> 02:45:32,499
also noted several times by NBCA staff and the public.

2102
02:45:32,499 --> 02:45:35,899
And the picture here near the lookout, is an image

2103
02:45:35,899 --> 02:45:40,964
of a beaver lutch. Next slide, please. These are the

2104
02:45:40,964 --> 02:45:46,294
results over the last year of data collection. For some

2105
02:45:46,294 --> 02:45:48,214
reference. Then, just to help explain what it is, we're

2106
02:45:48,214 --> 02:45:51,654
looking at the elevations. On the left of the screen

2107
02:45:51,654 --> 02:45:55,934
are elevations in meters above sea level. The green, yellow

2108
02:45:55,934 --> 02:45:59,014
and gray lines are the three monitoring sites that were

2109
02:45:59,014 --> 02:46:02,460
indicated on the map. And the blue vertical lines at

2110
02:46:02,460 --> 02:46:05,500
the bottom of the screen are the precipitation events that

2111
02:46:05,500 --> 02:46:09,448
occurred during the year. You will note that major rainfall

2112
02:46:09,448 --> 02:46:13,310
events at the beginning of April this year. Where 80

2113
02:46:13,310 --> 02:46:18,580
mm fell over the course of approximately four days. And

2114
02:46:18,580 --> 02:46:22,340
then, however, it was also an exceptionally dry July. July

2115
02:46:22,340 --> 02:46:27,660
with only 20 total precipitation over the month, and that

2116
02:46:27,660 --> 02:46:31,700
caused water levels to decrease further below fall levels. Next

2117
02:46:31,700 --> 02:46:36,511
slide, please. Water within the marsh travels about half a

2118
02:46:36,511 --> 02:46:38,631
kilometer from the west end of the marsh to the

2119
02:46:38,631 --> 02:46:45,236
east end. So the outlet levels are approximately 1ft lower

2120
02:46:45,236 --> 02:46:46,876
than the levels within the main body of the marsh.

2121
02:46:48,759 --> 02:46:51,319
However, both the outlet and the main marsh show pretty

2122
02:46:51,319 --> 02:46:55,368
consistent trends. In that it reaches its highest elevation in

2123
02:46:55,368 --> 02:46:58,928
the springtime after the winter thaw and the lowest levels

2124
02:46:58,928 --> 02:47:01,248
after the warmer and drier summer that we witnessed this

2125
02:47:01,248 --> 02:47:06,604
year. Next slide, please. And just finally, some statistics of

2126
02:47:06,604 --> 02:47:11,646
the data that was collected. If we ignore the outlet.

2127
02:47:13,300 --> 02:47:15,460
The main body of the Marsh saw maximum elevation of

2128
02:47:15,460 --> 02:47:21,580
179.24. The average level was 178.9. And the minimum was

2129
02:47:21,580 --> 02:47:26,220
178.66 meters above sea level. This means that if you

2130
02:47:26,220 --> 02:47:30,180
take the average level as typical. The seasonal variation to

2131
02:47:30,180 --> 02:47:33,880
the highs and lows were approximately zero. Point. 35 meters

2132
02:47:33,880 --> 02:47:40,339
or just over 1ft. Next slide, please. Hydrologic study was

2133
02:47:40,339 --> 02:47:45,059
completed in 2007 as part of municipal and NBCA development

2134
02:47:45,059 --> 02:47:51,583
related approvals. The previous modeling report used a low elevation

2135
02:47:51,583 --> 02:47:56,183
in the marsh as 178.8 meters, which is right in

2136
02:47:56,183 --> 02:47:58,903
between the average and minimum elevations recorded in the March

2137
02:47:58,903 --> 02:48:05,423
this year, the spring 2025 high of 179.24 is just

2138
02:48:05,423 --> 02:48:09,063
slightly greater than what would be modeled during an expected

2139
02:48:09,063 --> 02:48:12,707
one. In ten. Year storm event. Anecdotally as well, the

2140
02:48:12,707 --> 02:48:17,507
April storms that we witnessed this year were also, coincidentally,

2141
02:48:17,507 --> 02:48:21,971
approximately a one in ten year storm event. These preliminary

2142
02:48:21,971 --> 02:48:24,451
results do not indicate that water levels are substantially higher

2143
02:48:24,451 --> 02:48:27,571
than they were previously. There are seasonal highs and lows

2144
02:48:27,571 --> 02:48:31,712
that occur over any given year. But there is risk,

2145
02:48:31,712 --> 02:48:36,152
though, to arbitrarily just lowering water levels within natural habitats

2146
02:48:36,152 --> 02:48:40,497
and ecosystems such as the Mersh. Approvals to undertake. This

2147
02:48:40,497 --> 02:48:43,617
level of effort would also involve other authorities, including but

2148
02:48:43,617 --> 02:48:47,937
not limited to the Department of Fisheries Conservation Authority, the

2149
02:48:47,937 --> 02:48:52,492
NVCA. And potentially the Ministry of Environment, Conservation and Parks.

2150
02:48:54,221 --> 02:48:58,661
Regardless, staff have extended the water monitoring into 2026 to

2151
02:48:58,661 --> 02:49:02,181
provide additional background study for a potential study in the

2152
02:49:02,181 --> 02:49:09,109
teacher. Next slide, please. Regarding next steps. Staff expect that

2153
02:49:09,109 --> 02:49:11,749
council will receive the stormwater master plan in early 2026.

2154
02:49:11,749 --> 02:49:17,589
And within it. It will include capital improvement recommendations and

2155
02:49:17,589 --> 02:49:21,349
future studies that the town could undertake for council endorsement.

2156
02:49:24,578 --> 02:49:26,658
In 2026. Staff will also continue to partner with the

2157
02:49:26,658 --> 02:49:29,858
NVCA to collect further water levels within the marsh, which

2158
02:49:29,858 --> 02:49:37,518
will provide. Information. Related to future studies in 2027. A

2159
02:49:37,518 --> 02:49:39,998
site specific range study could be initiated, at which point

2160
02:49:39,998 --> 02:49:44,201
it would make sense to involve community. Stakeholders further. And

2161
02:49:44,201 --> 02:49:47,321
to initiate the study and ensure collaboration between the various

2162
02:49:47,321 --> 02:49:51,661
parties. Longer term actions would be identified within the study

2163
02:49:51,661 --> 02:49:57,914
if mitigation is required. Next slide, please. And just in

2164
02:49:57,914 --> 02:50:05,598
closing, Marshes and swamps are complicated ecosystems. They are great

2165
02:50:05,598 --> 02:50:09,718
at acting like sponges to absorb groundwater, stormwater, and even

2166
02:50:09,718 --> 02:50:14,998
some pollutants. I do have Ian Okaton on the zoom

2167
02:50:14,998 --> 02:50:21,494
call. For any questions on the ecological impacts that may

2168
02:50:21,494 --> 02:50:25,800
also occur by lowering the wetland. And he'd be able

2169
02:50:25,800 --> 02:50:31,305
to provide. Any answers on questions from an ecological standpoint

2170
02:50:31,305 --> 02:50:35,768
as well. Thank you very much. Next slide. Thank you

2171
02:50:35,768 --> 02:50:37,608
very much. And we're here for any questions that might

2172
02:50:37,608 --> 02:50:41,095
arise, okay? Well, thank you very much. For this work

2173
02:50:41,095 --> 02:50:45,088
and for bringing this update to us. Questions from council.

2174
02:50:46,531 --> 02:50:51,291
Councilor Baines. Go ahead. Thank you. Manager Wes through you

2175
02:50:51,291 --> 02:50:57,710
or perhaps to Mr. Auckland. Is that the proper pronunciation?

2176
02:50:59,324 --> 02:51:01,844
Of Auckenden, I believe, but I could be mispronouncing it

2177
02:51:01,844 --> 02:51:04,324
as well. Who should know, as a board member of

2178
02:51:04,324 --> 02:51:10,698
NVCA, Is something such as this. You being an engineer,

2179
02:51:10,698 --> 02:51:12,858
is there any need for this to be peer? Reviewed.

2180
02:51:12,858 --> 02:51:16,218
I mean, I believe everything I'm reading, but I always

2181
02:51:16,218 --> 02:51:19,235
see that peer review. Is a necessary part of the

2182
02:51:19,235 --> 02:51:23,521
process because. As an amateur, sort of surprised 20 years

2183
02:51:23,521 --> 02:51:26,641
of development around the cranberry marsh, and you're seeing the

2184
02:51:26,641 --> 02:51:30,850
water level. Is basically still the same now as it

2185
02:51:30,850 --> 02:51:34,677
was 20 years ago. It's more or less. I don't

2186
02:51:34,677 --> 02:51:40,372
have the benefit. Of being around 20 years ago. Absolutely.

2187
02:51:41,356 --> 02:51:46,285
Well, I was around, but not necessarily in Collingwood. But

2188
02:51:46,285 --> 02:51:52,275
just having said that. We're basing that again, preliminary conclusion.

2189
02:51:54,360 --> 02:51:56,960
On the information that's in front of us. And unfortunately,

2190
02:51:56,960 --> 02:52:00,160
right now, all the information that we have is this

2191
02:52:00,160 --> 02:52:04,120
previous hydrologic study that was prepared in 2007, likely the

2192
02:52:04,120 --> 02:52:09,767
background data collection. Was prepared in 2006. And now fast

2193
02:52:09,767 --> 02:52:12,927
forward 20 years later. We have a year of water

2194
02:52:12,927 --> 02:52:18,154
level monitoring that was done this year. So. The in

2195
02:52:18,154 --> 02:52:21,839
between and. The water level fluctuations that may have occurred

2196
02:52:21,839 --> 02:52:25,359
over the the previous 20 years certainly are difficult to

2197
02:52:25,359 --> 02:52:29,598
know, with. Any real authority, I guess, above how that

2198
02:52:29,598 --> 02:52:32,158
may have changed over 20 years. Great. And if I

2199
02:52:32,158 --> 02:52:37,079
may a follow up. Then the residents who. Last year

2200
02:52:37,079 --> 02:52:40,359
or the year before were complaining. A one of them

2201
02:52:40,359 --> 02:52:43,961
has had for the last five years. Essentially a river

2202
02:52:43,961 --> 02:52:48,770
running under. His condo basement, which he's complaining about. And

2203
02:52:48,770 --> 02:52:56,064
secondly, another landowner. Right at the edge. There by Cranberry

2204
02:52:56,064 --> 02:52:59,944
east, by the big culvert, who complains about flooding to

2205
02:52:59,944 --> 02:53:02,544
their property line and indeed, into their basement at one

2206
02:53:02,544 --> 02:53:06,055
point. So the response to them would be because I'm

2207
02:53:06,055 --> 02:53:11,224
sure these people will ask me. No, the marsh is

2208
02:53:11,224 --> 02:53:15,544
essentially okay as it is, and that no remedial action,

2209
02:53:15,544 --> 02:53:20,338
I. E. Particularly lowering of the marsh water level. The

2210
02:53:20,338 --> 02:53:23,698
mean marsh water level is required. At least it would

2211
02:53:23,698 --> 02:53:25,898
seem to me that that's at this point, with this

2212
02:53:25,898 --> 02:53:30,844
preliminary study, the takeaway am I correct in that? Go

2213
02:53:30,844 --> 02:53:34,367
ahead. Yeah. Thank you. Through the chair. I may defer

2214
02:53:34,367 --> 02:53:36,767
to manager Lee Al if she has any further thoughts

2215
02:53:36,767 --> 02:53:41,356
on it. But preliminary, though. And this wouldn't necessarily be.

2216
02:53:42,992 --> 02:53:45,192
A full engineering study that's been conducted so far. It's

2217
02:53:45,192 --> 02:53:48,232
just monitoring of the year and then hear the results.

2218
02:53:49,818 --> 02:53:54,763
So. There's really nothing that we're seeing with the results

2219
02:53:54,763 --> 02:53:59,518
that have been provided. Saying that water levels are higher.

2220
02:54:00,841 --> 02:54:06,758
And that groundwater elevations. If residents basements are getting wets

2221
02:54:06,758 --> 02:54:11,991
or flooded, certainly. That is a common challenge, I guess,

2222
02:54:11,991 --> 02:54:15,435
that many residents are facing as well. Based on the

2223
02:54:15,435 --> 02:54:22,598
information that we have so far today, there's nothing. That.

2224
02:54:23,316 --> 02:54:26,036
Is really screaming that there's a problem that needs to

2225
02:54:26,036 --> 02:54:30,516
be addressed immediately, but certainly with the level of interest

2226
02:54:30,516 --> 02:54:34,035
in the Martian and. What's been the interest and feedback

2227
02:54:34,035 --> 02:54:38,848
that we've received over the years? Certainly. We do want

2228
02:54:38,848 --> 02:54:41,010
to keep an eye on it. And look to studies

2229
02:54:41,010 --> 02:54:44,911
in the future about that. Does that make sense? Okay.

2230
02:54:44,911 --> 02:54:47,151
Also, director Alcok, I'd like to just weigh in for

2231
02:54:47,151 --> 02:54:51,462
a second. Go. Ahead. Thank you, Mayor Hamlin, through to

2232
02:54:51,462 --> 02:54:56,702
you, through you to council. Ben Stewart had answered some

2233
02:54:56,702 --> 02:54:59,302
of the questions that this is not a complete engineering

2234
02:54:59,302 --> 02:55:02,782
study. We definitely need to collect more information to add

2235
02:55:02,782 --> 02:55:05,542
to the database so the analysis would be more thorough.

2236
02:55:05,542 --> 02:55:08,842
So that's going to continue. Over next year. As well

2237
02:55:08,842 --> 02:55:17,294
as the perception by the residents. Maybe. Require more analysis

2238
02:55:17,294 --> 02:55:20,094
to a site specific because the marsh may not be

2239
02:55:20,094 --> 02:55:22,974
the cause of this flooding. It could participate. It could

2240
02:55:22,974 --> 02:55:25,174
have, but in it. But it may not be a

2241
02:55:25,174 --> 02:55:27,654
full cost, so. We don't have enough information to make

2242
02:55:27,654 --> 02:55:31,334
this determination, so that might be another approach to see

2243
02:55:31,334 --> 02:55:33,814
if there's a specific site that they need to look

2244
02:55:33,814 --> 02:55:38,618
at. It for those locations. But our best analysis is

2245
02:55:38,618 --> 02:55:43,498
that information. We're collecting hard data that we can analyze.

2246
02:55:43,498 --> 02:55:49,092
And so far, since the march is acting properly, Thank

2247
02:55:49,092 --> 02:55:52,035
you. And follow the science, please. Also. I'll just say

2248
02:55:52,035 --> 02:55:57,176
the residents you're speaking about with concerns about water. At

2249
02:55:57,176 --> 02:55:59,576
the time, we were doing, I'll say, an open house

2250
02:55:59,576 --> 02:56:04,933
for our stormwater management. Study. I connected them with a

2251
02:56:04,933 --> 02:56:07,773
consultant doing that, and I think they were going to

2252
02:56:07,773 --> 02:56:12,411
go visit. The residents. Hopefully out of all of this,

2253
02:56:12,411 --> 02:56:15,886
looking at the water in the area. We'll come up

2254
02:56:15,886 --> 02:56:22,536
with something. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Any other questions? Councilor

2255
02:56:22,536 --> 02:56:29,396
Dougherty. Thank you. First of all, I would really like

2256
02:56:29,396 --> 02:56:34,911
to express. Gratitude for this study. It's the residents in

2257
02:56:34,911 --> 02:56:41,684
the area have had. Deep concerns. For this entire term,

2258
02:56:41,684 --> 02:56:45,754
and I'm so glad that. We have taken this initiative

2259
02:56:45,754 --> 02:56:51,799
to respond. To their concerns so thoroughly. I am surprised.

2260
02:56:53,392 --> 02:56:59,167
When. I see the evidence that had been provided previously

2261
02:56:59,167 --> 02:57:02,207
by the residents of photos that they had taken. And

2262
02:57:02,207 --> 02:57:07,524
whatnot. I am surprised. With this, the findings of this

2263
02:57:07,524 --> 02:57:10,724
study, but I am very happy that we're going to

2264
02:57:10,724 --> 02:57:14,764
pursue it for another year. And I'm also glad that

2265
02:57:14,764 --> 02:57:18,484
is going to form part of our stormwater master plan

2266
02:57:18,484 --> 02:57:23,376
because. We continue to have more developments with higher grades.

2267
02:57:24,741 --> 02:57:29,849
That are all ultimately going to be draining into. This

2268
02:57:29,849 --> 02:57:36,682
swamp. So it's important for us to understand. The dynamics

2269
02:57:36,682 --> 02:57:43,428
and ensure that our residents. Are safe and high and

2270
02:57:43,428 --> 02:57:47,731
dry. So thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.

2271
02:57:50,147 --> 02:57:57,055
See you. Thank you. I just wanted to add through

2272
02:57:57,055 --> 02:58:05,120
the chair one comment around. Approving development applications. And I

2273
02:58:05,120 --> 02:58:09,604
think that a lot of folks. Are not aware of

2274
02:58:09,604 --> 02:58:13,324
some of the requirements that we have when a new

2275
02:58:13,324 --> 02:58:17,204
subdivision, for example, is approved when that report comes to

2276
02:58:17,204 --> 02:58:22,083
council and. The items that have been. Provided comment upon.

2277
02:58:23,376 --> 02:58:25,856
By the public like you've seen today with one of

2278
02:58:25,856 --> 02:58:31,395
the developments. What happens is that we have rules. For

2279
02:58:31,395 --> 02:58:34,235
the stormwater and for Collingwood. One of the rules is

2280
02:58:34,235 --> 02:58:37,315
that the flows shall not exceed. The Max flow prior

2281
02:58:37,315 --> 02:58:41,172
to development. So there's different ways to look at how

2282
02:58:41,172 --> 02:58:43,372
those flows. You can also look at the max amount.

2283
02:58:43,372 --> 02:58:45,452
You can look at the max flow, but our requirement

2284
02:58:45,452 --> 02:58:48,572
right now is the max flow. Shall not exceed. So

2285
02:58:48,572 --> 02:58:52,923
I think that. I'm not positive exactly. When that rule

2286
02:58:52,923 --> 02:58:55,683
came into effect, or if it was before all of

2287
02:58:55,683 --> 02:58:59,083
the development around this particular marsh. But one thing I

2288
02:58:59,083 --> 02:59:01,763
would say is that the newer developments, and potentially all

2289
02:59:01,763 --> 02:59:06,853
but most likely all the newer developments. Would be required

2290
02:59:06,853 --> 02:59:09,573
to mitigate the flows and how fast those flows would

2291
02:59:09,573 --> 02:59:13,363
go into something like a receiving body of water. Or

2292
02:59:13,363 --> 02:59:16,482
out into the bay. So I don't want to absolve

2293
02:59:16,482 --> 02:59:19,482
us of having to do more study and. You'll see

2294
02:59:19,482 --> 02:59:22,362
here that there's a strong recommendation that we continue with

2295
02:59:22,362 --> 02:59:24,682
this work. And in fact, enhance it, as all the

2296
02:59:24,682 --> 02:59:29,616
technical folks have just told you. That said, each development

2297
02:59:29,616 --> 02:59:35,983
is monitored as it's approved to make sure that. The

2298
02:59:35,983 --> 02:59:39,863
overall. Drainage ecosystem in Collingwood continues to work. And I

2299
02:59:39,863 --> 02:59:42,023
just wanted to add that piece mostly for the people

2300
02:59:42,023 --> 02:59:45,783
who are hopefully still listening online to know that there's

2301
02:59:45,783 --> 02:59:50,394
a lot of thought as each development proceeds forward. Okay.

2302
02:59:50,394 --> 02:59:59,991
Thank you. Any other questions? I think you're good. Thanks

2303
02:59:59,991 --> 03:00:05,501
so much. Thank you very much. Item twelve is our

2304
03:00:05,501 --> 03:00:14,964
consent agenda. And the recommendation before us is that we

2305
03:00:14,964 --> 03:00:19,084
receive the general consent agenda and note that the information

2306
03:00:19,084 --> 03:00:22,564
and opinions provided in the general consent agenda. Items are

2307
03:00:22,564 --> 03:00:25,724
those of the authors and are not verified or approved

2308
03:00:25,724 --> 03:00:29,284
as being correct. And there's two items. The first is

2309
03:00:29,284 --> 03:00:33,489
Bradford west. Oh, that's. The one. We're deferring the west

2310
03:00:33,489 --> 03:00:35,649
or you're withdrawing that I'm going. To read them in.

2311
03:00:35,649 --> 03:00:38,449
Sorry, my head's going in a different direction here, so

2312
03:00:38,449 --> 03:00:41,689
there's. Two items. The first one is Bradford West Williambury

2313
03:00:41,689 --> 03:00:47,009
resolution re removing HStg GST. From new homes to support

2314
03:00:47,009 --> 03:00:52,636
housing affordability, and the second one is Clearview Township. Resolution

2315
03:00:52,636 --> 03:00:59,338
reupposing the use of agricultural lands for national defense. Aothr

2316
03:00:59,338 --> 03:01:02,698
receive site. So could I get a mover in a

2317
03:01:02,698 --> 03:01:06,917
second or please to receive. These? Councilor Dougherty, segmented by

2318
03:01:06,917 --> 03:01:11,461
councilor Baines. All those in favor? Unanimous. Would anyone like

2319
03:01:11,461 --> 03:01:15,461
to pull the steppie? Mayor in regards to 12.2 if

2320
03:01:15,461 --> 03:01:19,692
I could. Mary Hammond clearviews letter. I'd like to submit

2321
03:01:19,692 --> 03:01:21,932
the council that I will be putting a notice of

2322
03:01:21,932 --> 03:01:25,612
motion forward. Later, and I will ask for waiving because.

2323
03:01:27,543 --> 03:01:30,703
I think it can be handled today. And it's simply

2324
03:01:30,703 --> 03:01:32,983
to request clerk services to issue a letter of support.

2325
03:01:34,180 --> 03:01:36,740
On council's behalf to the minister in same contacts that

2326
03:01:36,740 --> 03:01:41,060
Clearview's letter does. A major reason for the request is

2327
03:01:41,060 --> 03:01:45,256
to support our immediate neighbor for their consideration. Of the

2328
03:01:45,256 --> 03:01:49,256
concerns that are identified in their correspondence. It stands out

2329
03:01:49,256 --> 03:01:51,176
that one of the key goals of the Department of

2330
03:01:51,176 --> 03:01:55,616
Defense is to locate required protection projects such as the.

2331
03:01:57,173 --> 03:01:58,973
Deputy mayor. Would you like to just introduce that now

2332
03:01:58,973 --> 03:02:04,189
while you're speaking to them? Okay? Yeah. And again, a

2333
03:02:04,189 --> 03:02:06,869
goal of the defense, Department of Defense is to locate.

2334
03:02:08,507 --> 03:02:12,187
Required protection projects such as the article over the horizon

2335
03:02:12,187 --> 03:02:16,605
receiving station within remote areas as much as possible. Clearview

2336
03:02:16,605 --> 03:02:20,325
maintains, and I would support that. The current proposed location

2337
03:02:20,325 --> 03:02:26,269
is not remote. And. Requests the federal government to. Continue

2338
03:02:26,269 --> 03:02:29,853
or consider. In alternative sightings, such as on land within

2339
03:02:29,853 --> 03:02:33,493
the nearby base, Borden. So it is in support of

2340
03:02:33,493 --> 03:02:37,013
a neighbor, and it is a contentious issue that has

2341
03:02:37,013 --> 03:02:41,013
become between the community and the federal government. So I

2342
03:02:41,013 --> 03:02:45,953
would like to put on the floor then, now. A

2343
03:02:45,953 --> 03:02:50,692
request to ask clerk services. To submitted a letter of

2344
03:02:50,692 --> 03:02:53,892
support on council's behalf to the minister in the same

2345
03:02:53,892 --> 03:02:57,126
context. And look to see if I have a seconder.

2346
03:02:59,369 --> 03:03:04,348
Of course. Yeah. Are you bringing a motion to waive?

2347
03:03:05,676 --> 03:03:07,596
Would you like to speak to that? We should get

2348
03:03:07,596 --> 03:03:10,556
a mover in a seconder, so. You're moving that. And

2349
03:03:10,556 --> 03:03:12,956
councilor Jeffrey will second that. So would you like to

2350
03:03:12,956 --> 03:03:15,956
speak? To first, my comments have been made. Mayor Hamlet.

2351
03:03:15,956 --> 03:03:19,596
Thank you. Thank you. Maybe I'll just ask if you

2352
03:03:19,596 --> 03:03:24,447
have any thought of urgency about this. Or what your

2353
03:03:24,447 --> 03:03:28,970
reasoning was. I had a conversation with mayor measures about

2354
03:03:28,970 --> 03:03:33,610
it, and as you note, we weren't originally copied with

2355
03:03:33,610 --> 03:03:39,801
their September 23 circulation. He thought that was a missed

2356
03:03:39,801 --> 03:03:44,256
step on their part. So I said that. We would

2357
03:03:44,256 --> 03:03:48,305
be considering it at this meeting coming up. So the

2358
03:03:48,305 --> 03:03:52,777
only urgency is that. It probably would have been done

2359
03:03:52,777 --> 03:03:57,797
sooner if we've been circulated, but. Whatever council wants. In

2360
03:03:57,797 --> 03:04:00,397
that regard, I'm fine with. Okay. Thank you. Would anyone

2361
03:04:00,397 --> 03:04:06,215
else like. To speak to the. Yes, Councilor Doherty. Thank

2362
03:04:06,215 --> 03:04:11,769
you, mayor. First, I just like clarification. Are you going

2363
03:04:11,769 --> 03:04:16,203
to be asking? For waiving notice or are you just

2364
03:04:16,203 --> 03:04:19,043
going to put. Yeah, that's what's. On the floor right

2365
03:04:19,043 --> 03:04:24,157
now. Okay. I can't support a waiving of notice when

2366
03:04:24,157 --> 03:04:29,269
I don't even understand. The implications of approving or not.

2367
03:04:30,672 --> 03:04:35,075
Approving. These radar sites, so I would not be prepared

2368
03:04:35,075 --> 03:04:40,392
to vote for sure. Without getting some feedback from staff.

2369
03:04:41,755 --> 03:04:45,730
Okay. Thank you, Councilor Baines. Thank you. On that actual

2370
03:04:45,730 --> 03:04:48,998
point. I would love to hear back from the federal

2371
03:04:48,998 --> 03:04:52,514
government as to. Why you couldn't put this on baseboarding,

2372
03:04:52,514 --> 03:04:55,874
but presumably they have a response to that. But I

2373
03:04:55,874 --> 03:04:58,154
like Councilor Dougherty. Sort of feel in the dark about.

2374
03:04:59,864 --> 03:05:01,864
Blindly approving this as much as I might be in

2375
03:05:01,864 --> 03:05:04,464
support of it, but I'd like to hear from somebody

2376
03:05:04,464 --> 03:05:06,184
in the federal government as to why it couldn't be

2377
03:05:06,184 --> 03:05:09,623
on baseboard. Or it has to be on this 4000

2378
03:05:09,623 --> 03:05:15,689
acres that they want. Thank you. Okay. So I guess

2379
03:05:15,689 --> 03:05:18,609
the question. So I might need the clerk almost to

2380
03:05:18,609 --> 03:05:24,609
help me with this. We have a motion. To. Waive

2381
03:05:24,609 --> 03:05:28,009
notice, but we also have a request I'm hearing, to

2382
03:05:28,009 --> 03:05:33,045
refer this to staff. For a report. So how do

2383
03:05:33,045 --> 03:05:34,045
you suggest we deal with this order?

2384
03:05:43,556 --> 03:05:47,636
so for clarification if the motion to waive notice doesn't

2385
03:05:47,636 --> 03:05:49,003
pass then it becomes A notice of motion, and the

2386
03:05:49,003 --> 03:05:54,372
motion will appear on the December 15 meeting. However, if

2387
03:05:54,372 --> 03:06:02,013
there's additional information that's being requested. Will require. Direction. To

2388
03:06:02,013 --> 03:06:04,493
gather that additional information. Okay. Thank you. That's very good

2389
03:06:04,493 --> 03:06:09,570
advice. Okay. Anyone else like. To speak to. The waiving

2390
03:06:09,570 --> 03:06:15,222
of notice. Okay, so. We can. New spoke, and everyone's

2391
03:06:15,222 --> 03:06:17,782
done. Okay, so all those in favor of waiving notice?

2392
03:06:19,668 --> 03:06:28,148
123456. Okay. And a post. One, two, three. So. Notice

2393
03:06:28,148 --> 03:06:31,820
is waived. And then we have the motion now in

2394
03:06:31,820 --> 03:06:37,150
front of us. Did you like to speak first or

2395
03:06:37,150 --> 03:06:42,873
last? I haven't spoken, but I won't speak last in

2396
03:06:42,873 --> 03:06:46,153
case there's any. Clarification that's needed, but thank you. All

2397
03:06:46,153 --> 03:06:50,580
right. Would anyone like to speak to. This motion. Councilor

2398
03:06:50,580 --> 03:06:57,089
Dort. Thank you. I'm just very surprised. That we would

2399
03:06:57,089 --> 03:07:06,771
be considering. Supporting this motion without. Any background information. Particularly

2400
03:07:06,771 --> 03:07:13,428
from federal government. And Department of National Defense, so. In

2401
03:07:13,428 --> 03:07:17,508
my views, actually irresponsible for us to support this. Without

2402
03:07:17,508 --> 03:07:22,303
that information, I will. Adamantly not support it. Hey. Thank

2403
03:07:22,303 --> 03:07:26,423
you, Councilor Paynes. Councilor Doherty said it all, so I

2404
03:07:26,423 --> 03:07:32,659
agree. Thank you. Anyone else? I'm sorry. I have spoken.

2405
03:07:36,428 --> 03:07:39,928
Okay. To me, this is a really hard one, because

2406
03:07:39,928 --> 03:07:43,048
if we're good neighbors, this is a good neighbor motion,

2407
03:07:43,048 --> 03:07:45,808
right? Please be a good neighbor to me and support

2408
03:07:45,808 --> 03:07:50,110
me. But we don't have any information other than wanting

2409
03:07:50,110 --> 03:07:53,354
to be a good neighbor. I can tell you what

2410
03:07:53,354 --> 03:07:55,754
I know, and you probably read the same things I

2411
03:07:55,754 --> 03:08:01,074
do. This. Is sort of south and east of Stainer.

2412
03:08:02,975 --> 03:08:08,128
Part of Clearview. There's many acres that are involved. There's

2413
03:08:08,128 --> 03:08:12,020
going to be a lot of antennas. Set up. It's

2414
03:08:12,020 --> 03:08:15,740
going to be one receiving site in Clearview that will

2415
03:08:15,740 --> 03:08:20,180
have a companion site. I think it's in the corpus

2416
03:08:20,180 --> 03:08:25,406
and between them they'll be able to identify. I'll say.

2417
03:08:25,406 --> 03:08:29,231
Foreign objects in the Arctic. It's about our security in

2418
03:08:29,231 --> 03:08:33,191
the Arctic. And Department of National Defense has said these

2419
03:08:33,191 --> 03:08:37,231
are two good places that between them they can identify

2420
03:08:37,231 --> 03:08:42,648
things in the Arctic. It will take. A lot of

2421
03:08:42,648 --> 03:08:46,008
agricultural land out of production, and I think this is

2422
03:08:46,008 --> 03:08:51,008
the basis of the concerns that Clearview has that they

2423
03:08:51,008 --> 03:08:54,528
don't want that. I know that. I think it was.

2424
03:08:54,528 --> 03:08:57,950
Spring water has done a good neighbor. Kind of motion

2425
03:08:57,950 --> 03:09:02,857
and support. And that's about all I know. That's helpful,

2426
03:09:02,857 --> 03:09:06,817
Councilor Jeffrey. Thank you, Mayor Hamlin. So I didn't feel

2427
03:09:06,817 --> 03:09:09,257
completely in the dark. I felt on page two of

2428
03:09:09,257 --> 03:09:12,737
two, they did explain the rationale in terms of the

2429
03:09:12,737 --> 03:09:16,937
agricultural land being taken out of. Taken out of inventory,

2430
03:09:16,937 --> 03:09:20,217
and I don't. Know how successful they will be with

2431
03:09:20,217 --> 03:09:23,090
the appeal, given the technology that's requ? Required and the

2432
03:09:23,090 --> 03:09:28,608
identification of the locations, but. I'm quite prepared. To support

2433
03:09:28,608 --> 03:09:31,368
them in their quest to maybe push for the consideration

2434
03:09:31,368 --> 03:09:36,735
of somewhere not chewing up agricultural land. Okay. Thank you.

2435
03:09:36,735 --> 03:09:40,055
Would anyone else like to speak to this? Okay, so.

2436
03:09:41,546 --> 03:09:45,965
Yes, go ahead. I will just say. That I don't

2437
03:09:45,965 --> 03:09:49,085
think we're being irresponsible. I think that's. A little harsh

2438
03:09:49,085 --> 03:09:53,865
of a term to be putting out there. It's simply,

2439
03:09:53,865 --> 03:09:58,745
in my case, supporting our neighbor on the basis of

2440
03:09:58,745 --> 03:10:03,665
don't use. Agricultural land. Plain, simple, right? Let's not complicate

2441
03:10:03,665 --> 03:10:08,254
the issue there. They're saying? My understanding of it is

2442
03:10:08,254 --> 03:10:12,734
that the receiving station will be temporary in nature, so

2443
03:10:12,734 --> 03:10:16,112
to speak. It's not a 300 year thing. I think

2444
03:10:16,112 --> 03:10:21,636
it's a 30 year thing, but. Once it leaves. The

2445
03:10:21,636 --> 03:10:24,036
land is no longer usable for some period of time.

2446
03:10:25,648 --> 03:10:30,578
As I said. I wasn't trying to complicate it. Claireview

2447
03:10:30,578 --> 03:10:32,858
is the one who has to go through the hoops

2448
03:10:32,858 --> 03:10:35,898
and the understanding this is simply just to support our

2449
03:10:35,898 --> 03:10:40,925
neighbor. Thank you. Okay, well, with that said. All those

2450
03:10:40,925 --> 03:10:48,025
in favor of the resolution put forward. 123-4567 and those

2451
03:10:48,025 --> 03:10:54,148
opposed? That's two opposed. Okay, thank you. That passes. County

2452
03:10:54,148 --> 03:10:57,868
report. Deputy Mayor Mayor Hallen I'm going to start out

2453
03:10:57,868 --> 03:11:03,018
with. Saying on behalf of calling with council our condolences

2454
03:11:03,018 --> 03:11:07,458
to the family of the simple county. Employee who was

2455
03:11:07,458 --> 03:11:13,559
tragically killed today. At the Oral Madante landfill site. It

2456
03:11:13,559 --> 03:11:18,351
sounds like a very unfortunate accident amongst. About coworkers are

2457
03:11:18,351 --> 03:11:22,631
certainly the contractors who work very closely with the family

2458
03:11:22,631 --> 03:11:27,846
of employees there. So. I'm saddened to hear of that

2459
03:11:27,846 --> 03:11:33,214
tragic occurrence. I also wanted to inform council that the

2460
03:11:33,214 --> 03:11:38,086
province introduced legislation last week. That they expect will be

2461
03:11:38,086 --> 03:11:42,126
passed and it'll go for January 1 transition for the

2462
03:11:42,126 --> 03:11:46,126
transfer. Of over 4000 acres to Barry from Springwater and

2463
03:11:46,126 --> 03:11:50,949
Ora Madante. It impacts the county as well. It is

2464
03:11:50,949 --> 03:11:54,069
being done on the basis of Barry has the capacity

2465
03:11:54,069 --> 03:11:59,705
to service additional land, but not enough developable land. The

2466
03:11:59,705 --> 03:12:04,847
townships lack the ability to do both. It is further

2467
03:12:04,847 --> 03:12:09,167
contended that it will unlock new homes and therefore major

2468
03:12:09,167 --> 03:12:15,867
economic investment continuing. And align with the key transportation infrastructure

2469
03:12:15,867 --> 03:12:20,587
projects, notably Barry Go and the Bradford bypass for the

2470
03:12:20,587 --> 03:12:26,249
province. And likely simple county transit implications as well. Issues

2471
03:12:26,249 --> 03:12:30,649
such as financial compensation from Barry are still being discussed,

2472
03:12:30,649 --> 03:12:33,849
and Minister Flack will regulate the transition in that regard.

2473
03:12:35,360 --> 03:12:39,089
Until those terms are decided. It's difficult to fully report

2474
03:12:39,089 --> 03:12:43,207
to council about the impacts on Simcoe. There has been

2475
03:12:43,207 --> 03:12:46,767
terms put forward by simple county regarding other areas of

2476
03:12:46,767 --> 03:12:50,871
the county. In regards to development of other areas of

2477
03:12:50,871 --> 03:12:54,191
the county that could influence the outcome as well. So

2478
03:12:54,191 --> 03:12:58,151
hopefully those will get accepted and provide the compensation that

2479
03:12:58,151 --> 03:13:03,722
we've requested. And the last item? I'll update on. And

2480
03:13:03,722 --> 03:13:09,675
unfortunately, no. Changes January 1. Recycling switches, so people need

2481
03:13:09,675 --> 03:13:13,809
to be expecting to see two trucks. Don't take your

2482
03:13:13,809 --> 03:13:19,609
one empty and one not empty. Bins back into your

2483
03:13:19,609 --> 03:13:26,000
house. Make sure that both trucks are circulated. And again,

2484
03:13:26,000 --> 03:13:34,363
no. Industrial. Small industrial, commercial or institutional. And I know

2485
03:13:34,363 --> 03:13:37,803
staff, simply staff, are still working on trying to figure

2486
03:13:37,803 --> 03:13:41,803
out if there's a way to continue some of the

2487
03:13:41,803 --> 03:13:44,563
recycling services that we were doing over and above what.

2488
03:13:46,553 --> 03:13:51,344
The government regulated us to. But unfortunately. I can't give

2489
03:13:51,344 --> 03:13:54,224
you any more news than that. It's the same as

2490
03:13:54,224 --> 03:13:56,584
what? You've heard before, but I'll repeat it again on

2491
03:13:56,584 --> 03:14:01,064
the 15th because I am concerned about January 1 going

2492
03:14:01,064 --> 03:14:05,199
forward, that people aren't going to realize the change. Is

2493
03:14:05,199 --> 03:14:08,159
that the end of your report? Thank you, Councilor Dougherty.

2494
03:14:11,375 --> 03:14:16,642
Thank you. We'll just say that. This is a matter

2495
03:14:16,642 --> 03:14:22,115
of deep concern also for Amel and. They are working.

2496
03:14:23,425 --> 03:14:29,642
Very closely with the ministry. Trying to find some resolution

2497
03:14:29,642 --> 03:14:33,082
before January 1, because there's no question that this is

2498
03:14:33,082 --> 03:14:39,789
going to have a myriad of. Negative fallout. So just

2499
03:14:39,789 --> 03:14:43,675
stay tuned because it is. A very important pursuit right

2500
03:14:43,675 --> 03:14:47,188
now. Speaking of the ways the change in recycling. Okay,

2501
03:14:47,188 --> 03:14:51,727
thank you. So many things happening January 1. Yes, councilor

2502
03:14:51,727 --> 03:14:56,447
Potts. Thanks, Mayor Hammond. Through you to W. Mer Fryer.

2503
03:14:56,447 --> 03:14:59,247
So it's. My understanding now, when this happens for any

2504
03:14:59,247 --> 03:15:01,847
of these facilities that want to take the recycling to

2505
03:15:01,847 --> 03:15:06,327
the landfill. There's a charge for commercial and businesses to

2506
03:15:06,327 --> 03:15:11,570
take it, but if you're residential, there's no charge. If

2507
03:15:11,570 --> 03:15:13,450
you just clarify that, and I have a follow up.

2508
03:15:15,137 --> 03:15:20,642
The responsibility of. The producer's responsibility as of January 1

2509
03:15:20,642 --> 03:15:27,367
is to provide service. To residents who were using recycling

2510
03:15:27,367 --> 03:15:32,208
depots that the county had. Because they didn't have curbside

2511
03:15:32,208 --> 03:15:38,191
pickup. So it is their responsibility, the producer, to make

2512
03:15:38,191 --> 03:15:44,155
sure that. Services made available free of charge. County has

2513
03:15:44,155 --> 03:15:46,115
been trying to work out a way to do that

2514
03:15:46,115 --> 03:15:49,755
and still maintain locations like the Collingwood. For the Collingwood

2515
03:15:49,755 --> 03:15:54,382
residents. There's nothing in the regulation, though, that says that

2516
03:15:54,382 --> 03:15:57,982
circular materials can't say that. Okay, well, you can deliver

2517
03:15:57,982 --> 03:16:03,742
them to Barry, which would make it completely impossible to

2518
03:16:03,742 --> 03:16:08,153
continue service in. All likelihood. So county is trying to

2519
03:16:08,153 --> 03:16:13,449
work on that. They're still, unfortunately, negotiating with circular materials

2520
03:16:13,449 --> 03:16:15,929
in that regard, but they're trying to make that available.

2521
03:16:17,927 --> 03:16:24,462
For the ici. That we're getting service. Unfortunately, the producer

2522
03:16:24,462 --> 03:16:28,843
does not have responsibility in that regard. I think it'll

2523
03:16:28,843 --> 03:16:32,363
become clearer the time January 1 comes because, as the

2524
03:16:32,363 --> 03:16:35,803
deputy mayor says, these are really important details, the questions

2525
03:16:35,803 --> 03:16:39,603
you're asking, and I don't think they're quite shortage yet.

2526
03:16:39,603 --> 03:16:41,803
Yeah, and just to follow up, but guess where I'm

2527
03:16:41,803 --> 03:16:44,803
going? With this is until we really know what's going

2528
03:16:44,803 --> 03:16:50,515
on. Does the county have any kind of internal solution?

2529
03:16:51,925 --> 03:16:53,405
For the user to be able to drop stuff off.

2530
03:16:55,100 --> 03:16:57,806
At no charge. Because when I go out to the

2531
03:16:57,806 --> 03:17:00,926
sites, there's signs that say there's no charge. And when

2532
03:17:00,926 --> 03:17:05,518
you hear there is charges. Understand. Nobody really knows. Are

2533
03:17:05,518 --> 03:17:09,158
they willing to work with the transition, to work with

2534
03:17:09,158 --> 03:17:13,739
the residents and business owners. I'm sort of wondering if

2535
03:17:13,739 --> 03:17:15,899
we shouldn't ask if this is a matter for. Our

2536
03:17:15,899 --> 03:17:18,979
staff, but we need a bit of a. Maybe I'm

2537
03:17:18,979 --> 03:17:21,859
too right, but we need. A bit of a cheat

2538
03:17:21,859 --> 03:17:25,299
sheet on exactly how this is going to work because

2539
03:17:25,299 --> 03:17:27,899
we get hundreds of pages of reports at the county.

2540
03:17:29,936 --> 03:17:33,830
But. Yes. Executive Director Peg, go ahead. Thank you, Mayor

2541
03:17:33,830 --> 03:17:36,870
Hamlin through you twelve council so the county has been

2542
03:17:36,870 --> 03:17:40,308
hosting information sessions. And a number of staff were able

2543
03:17:40,308 --> 03:17:44,068
to attend those. They're also providing us with information. Pamphlets

2544
03:17:44,068 --> 03:17:49,028
that we're looking to distribute locally throughout Collingwood, but happy

2545
03:17:49,028 --> 03:17:52,108
to report back whether that's through our weekly operational update

2546
03:17:52,108 --> 03:17:55,228
or at a council meeting on the plans that the

2547
03:17:55,228 --> 03:17:58,588
county has for the rollout because we too are hearing

2548
03:17:58,588 --> 03:18:02,696
some discrepan. Discrepancies in terms of fees, no fees. And

2549
03:18:02,696 --> 03:18:04,376
we'd be happy to get that clarity and provide it

2550
03:18:04,376 --> 03:18:09,004
with council. Okay. I think staff of the county know

2551
03:18:09,004 --> 03:18:13,204
they've got, well now, 30 days to clarify this. In

2552
03:18:13,204 --> 03:18:15,604
some fashion, and I don't know if it's an issue

2553
03:18:15,604 --> 03:18:18,764
across the province. Or if it's just county of Simcoe,

2554
03:18:18,764 --> 03:18:23,232
but it's not totally sorted, right? And again, I appreciate

2555
03:18:23,232 --> 03:18:27,208
that. And I'll speak just from the downtown businesses in

2556
03:18:27,208 --> 03:18:30,542
Collingwood. If I was a business, right. Now. What do

2557
03:18:30,542 --> 03:18:33,941
I do on January 1? The problem is going to

2558
03:18:33,941 --> 03:18:35,861
be there. We all know it's going to be there,

2559
03:18:35,861 --> 03:18:38,701
but. In the meantime, what do they do? So if

2560
03:18:38,701 --> 03:18:41,821
there's any kind of clarification. I think before it escalates

2561
03:18:41,821 --> 03:18:44,621
on January 1 on the main street, I call you

2562
03:18:44,621 --> 03:18:47,501
with eight foot snowbanks. I think it would be nice

2563
03:18:47,501 --> 03:18:51,101
to know what do the businesses do? So, executive director,

2564
03:18:51,101 --> 03:18:54,657
do you think you could report back? At our next

2565
03:18:54,657 --> 03:19:00,041
council meeting on the 15th. On whatever the county can

2566
03:19:00,041 --> 03:19:02,401
tell us, the county staff could tell us, as at

2567
03:19:02,401 --> 03:19:06,706
that date. Yeah. Great. Thank you, mayor. I saw co

2568
03:19:06,706 --> 03:19:09,626
skitter mover card turned over to our Cao. Yes, go

2569
03:19:09,626 --> 03:19:14,270
ahead. Thank you. I have no concerns with us reporting

2570
03:19:14,270 --> 03:19:17,910
back and to asking the county staff what the situation

2571
03:19:17,910 --> 03:19:21,070
is. I think if there's items that might require county

2572
03:19:21,070 --> 03:19:23,310
action that we might even want to have the county

2573
03:19:23,310 --> 03:19:26,350
folks here or perhaps online to answer questions, if that

2574
03:19:26,350 --> 03:19:29,310
could be arranged. Okay by that? I mean, the staff

2575
03:19:29,310 --> 03:19:35,488
side. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Thank you. Deputy mayor. The

2576
03:19:35,488 --> 03:19:41,132
reality is, though, The county is letting the public know

2577
03:19:41,132 --> 03:19:45,031
that. There's fees for anybody bringing recycling as of January

2578
03:19:45,031 --> 03:19:49,608
1. The only thing that can happen different than that

2579
03:19:49,608 --> 03:19:53,382
is it gets better. But right now that's the situation

2580
03:19:53,382 --> 03:19:58,770
because. There's no change. It's producer responsibility. And the county

2581
03:19:58,770 --> 03:20:01,610
does not have the responsibility. So they're advertising right now.

2582
03:20:02,848 --> 03:20:05,448
That recycling will have a fee if you bring it

2583
03:20:05,448 --> 03:20:09,608
to the fish. Hopefully something gets worked out. And permits

2584
03:20:09,608 --> 03:20:14,747
get issued to those people who are using. It. Up

2585
03:20:14,747 --> 03:20:16,867
now because they didn't have curbside serious and it wasn't

2586
03:20:16,867 --> 03:20:21,412
being picked. Up by the county. And in regards to

2587
03:20:21,412 --> 03:20:26,028
the ICi, It's being said that it ends on January

2588
03:20:26,028 --> 03:20:31,416
1. I hope that there's changes, but what they're saying

2589
03:20:31,416 --> 03:20:38,004
right now. Is. What they're anticipating is going to happen.

2590
03:20:39,487 --> 03:20:43,726
Go ahead, just quick. One of the big reasons I

2591
03:20:43,726 --> 03:20:46,926
see this is I can see this adding large pressure

2592
03:20:46,926 --> 03:20:50,686
on our public works operations, especially for garbage and recycling

2593
03:20:50,686 --> 03:20:54,730
pickup on the mini street, too. So I think. It's

2594
03:20:54,730 --> 03:20:58,808
going to be completely insane. And just knowing. What we

2595
03:20:58,808 --> 03:21:00,888
deal with down here on the main street to begin

2596
03:21:00,888 --> 03:21:03,706
with. It's certainly not going to be pretty. And I

2597
03:21:03,706 --> 03:21:06,386
know it's out of our control. But January 1 has

2598
03:21:06,386 --> 03:21:09,066
to be probably the worst date to start it, if

2599
03:21:09,066 --> 03:21:13,886
anything. I can't advocate anymore, but the businesses just need

2600
03:21:13,886 --> 03:21:18,860
to know what to do. I think that's what we're

2601
03:21:18,860 --> 03:21:21,340
trying to do with getting staff to come back. To

2602
03:21:21,340 --> 03:21:24,229
us. Because even though we can say it's not our

2603
03:21:24,229 --> 03:21:27,309
responsibility, you know who's going? To be blamed. Right. So

2604
03:21:27,309 --> 03:21:30,728
we want to make sure that. We're notifying the public

2605
03:21:30,728 --> 03:21:32,208
of what it's going to be and that's. Your point?

2606
03:21:33,495 --> 03:21:37,307
I'm trying to say the same thing right. We need

2607
03:21:37,307 --> 03:21:40,919
to communicate it to the public. And again why they

2608
03:21:40,919 --> 03:21:46,289
choose January 1 beyond me. Thank you. And even in

2609
03:21:46,289 --> 03:21:48,809
a bit of a broader context, and this might be

2610
03:21:48,809 --> 03:21:50,689
a set of questions I would be asking of the

2611
03:21:50,689 --> 03:21:54,929
county staff. There's a provincial paradigm where the province has

2612
03:21:54,929 --> 03:22:02,306
put in some new rules, including. Regulations related to. Suppliers

2613
03:22:02,306 --> 03:22:07,861
taking accountability for more of recycling. But I don't understand

2614
03:22:07,861 --> 03:22:11,021
myself why some of the recycling services that are not

2615
03:22:11,021 --> 03:22:14,501
taken over. Wouldn't continue to live with the entities that

2616
03:22:14,501 --> 03:22:17,061
have run them in the past. In this case, it

2617
03:22:17,061 --> 03:22:20,741
could be the county. Or if there's provincial rules that

2618
03:22:20,741 --> 03:22:24,741
require that they not be offered moving forward somehow. What?

2619
03:22:24,741 --> 03:22:28,059
The basket of services. That arrived at the front door

2620
03:22:28,059 --> 03:22:31,779
of residents and businesses in our town. Has been adjusted

2621
03:22:31,779 --> 03:22:36,436
through. A trigger. That was a regulation. But it doesn't

2622
03:22:36,436 --> 03:22:39,316
seem that that regulation would require the service at the

2623
03:22:39,316 --> 03:22:43,674
front lines be changed, and I know that. I'm putting

2624
03:22:43,674 --> 03:22:48,079
maybe a difficult task in front of county folks. So

2625
03:22:48,079 --> 03:22:49,759
I would like to ask them a bit more about

2626
03:22:49,759 --> 03:22:52,359
that at the staff level as well. Yeah, I think

2627
03:22:52,359 --> 03:22:58,040
what I've heard. Is that? The county was getting. I'm

2628
03:22:58,040 --> 03:23:02,206
going to call it a subsidy. From the province for

2629
03:23:02,206 --> 03:23:06,816
the recycling. Every year, and I think it was $400,000

2630
03:23:06,816 --> 03:23:11,663
of memory serves. And under this new system. They don't

2631
03:23:11,663 --> 03:23:14,143
get any of it, any of that subsidy, because it's

2632
03:23:14,143 --> 03:23:18,877
all now. To be collected by the producers. So if

2633
03:23:18,877 --> 03:23:22,797
they continued offering a service because this, to me, was

2634
03:23:22,797 --> 03:23:27,131
logical. You always been picking. What? We'd have to raise

2635
03:23:27,131 --> 03:23:30,891
the taxes at the county to continue offering the same

2636
03:23:30,891 --> 03:23:36,419
level of service. That was before. All the responsibility. Although

2637
03:23:36,419 --> 03:23:40,638
it's not all the responsibility. Was given to the producers,

2638
03:23:40,638 --> 03:23:44,672
so. I think that's where I understand it is, but

2639
03:23:44,672 --> 03:23:47,632
you'll find it more about it. And that would be?

2640
03:23:47,632 --> 03:23:51,127
Maybe we could all be writing the province. Municipalities to

2641
03:23:51,127 --> 03:23:53,847
make some suggestions. Okay, let's bring this to a close.

2642
03:23:53,847 --> 03:23:55,527
We have a lot to do if you have one

2643
03:23:55,527 --> 03:24:00,127
quick more thing, just a continuation, because you're totally correct.

2644
03:24:00,127 --> 03:24:02,447
What was identified in the staff report to us is

2645
03:24:02,447 --> 03:24:05,607
the net impact on the county is $4.2 million going

2646
03:24:05,607 --> 03:24:10,492
forward. So they didn't have an awful lot of room

2647
03:24:10,492 --> 03:24:14,052
to look at continuing things that they didn't have a

2648
03:24:14,052 --> 03:24:18,719
responsibility for. And I just wanted to add that to

2649
03:24:18,719 --> 03:24:24,040
your comments. Okay. Thank you. All right. The next is.

2650
03:24:28,725 --> 03:24:32,085
Motions. And we have two motions. The first one is

2651
03:24:32,085 --> 03:24:36,925
mine, so I'll turn the chair. Over to deputy mayor.

2652
03:24:36,925 --> 03:24:39,445
Thank you, Mayor Hammond. So we'll have you read in

2653
03:24:39,445 --> 03:24:43,005
the motion. And look for a seconder, and then you

2654
03:24:43,005 --> 03:24:47,875
can indicate. If you'd like to speak first or last.

2655
03:24:47,875 --> 03:24:50,355
Okay. And I'm going to ask. Clerk almonds to put

2656
03:24:50,355 --> 03:24:55,370
the motion up. There's been some relatively minor changes. Since

2657
03:24:55,370 --> 03:24:57,570
it was put in the agenda, so he'll just read

2658
03:24:57,570 --> 03:25:05,188
away. Is this okay? Protection. Whereas the town of Collingwood's

2659
03:25:05,188 --> 03:25:11,386
community based strategic plan, that's 2024 to 2028. Commits to

2660
03:25:11,386 --> 03:25:15,306
fostering a safe, connected and inclusive community that promotes well

2661
03:25:15,306 --> 03:25:19,906
being, belonging and respect for all residents and visitors. And

2662
03:25:19,906 --> 03:25:24,386
whereas recent protests near school properties have raised concerns regarding

2663
03:25:24,386 --> 03:25:27,946
the safety, security and well being of students, staff and

2664
03:25:27,946 --> 03:25:33,123
families and have the potential. To disrupt educational environments and

2665
03:25:33,123 --> 03:25:38,043
community harmony. And whereas the strategic plan emphasizes the pillars

2666
03:25:38,043 --> 03:25:43,972
of connected. Fostering, well being and belonging, responsible. Service, excellence

2667
03:25:43,972 --> 03:25:49,012
and collaboration, and vibrant creating spaces that support positive community

2668
03:25:49,012 --> 03:25:53,252
engagement. And whereas the town recognizes that the Canadian Charter

2669
03:25:53,252 --> 03:25:57,292
of rights and freedoms guarantees everyone the right to freedom

2670
03:25:57,292 --> 03:26:02,961
of expression, peaceful assembly. And association. And affirms that it

2671
03:26:02,961 --> 03:26:07,881
is not intending to prohibit peaceful gatherings, protests or demonstrations,

2672
03:26:07,881 --> 03:26:11,881
including those related to labor strikes, but rather to restrict

2673
03:26:11,881 --> 03:26:16,905
nuisance demonstrations. And whereas section 128 of the Municipal Act

2674
03:26:16,905 --> 03:26:24,505
2001 authorizes municipalities to prohibit and regulate public nuisances including

2675
03:26:24,505 --> 03:26:28,305
activities that in the opinion of council, are or could

2676
03:26:28,305 --> 03:26:32,345
become or cause public nuisances. And whereas the town is

2677
03:26:32,345 --> 03:26:37,243
committed to protecting vulnerable students, We're speaking about junior kindergarten

2678
03:26:37,243 --> 03:26:42,843
to grade twelve. From nuisance demonstrations that compromise safety, disrupt

2679
03:26:42,843 --> 03:26:46,083
the ability to learn and negatively impact the well being

2680
03:26:46,083 --> 03:26:50,376
of student, staff, and families. Therefore, be resolved that council

2681
03:26:50,376 --> 03:26:53,816
directs staff to prepare a bylaw. To prepare a draft

2682
03:26:53,816 --> 03:26:59,376
bylaw. Or bylaw amendment to prohibit or regulate nuisance protests

2683
03:26:59,376 --> 03:27:02,536
within a defined buffer zone around schools. In the town

2684
03:27:02,536 --> 03:27:08,307
of Collingwood. With consideration for these items, a clear definition

2685
03:27:08,307 --> 03:27:14,187
of nuisance protest. For example, protests that obstruct access creates

2686
03:27:14,187 --> 03:27:18,187
safety risks or to cause significant disruption to school operations.

2687
03:27:19,448 --> 03:27:25,008
Reasonable distance parameters for restricted zones, exemptions for peaceful lawful

2688
03:27:25,008 --> 03:27:28,528
assemblies that do not interfere with school safety or operations.

2689
03:27:30,033 --> 03:27:35,153
Enforcement provisions in collaboration with COP and lastly, compliance with

2690
03:27:35,153 --> 03:27:39,364
charter rights and relevant legal standards. And further that staff

2691
03:27:39,364 --> 03:27:44,604
consult with legal counsel Collingwood, OPP, and local public stakeholders.

2692
03:27:44,604 --> 03:27:48,844
Public school stakeholders to ensure the proposed bylaw is enforceable,

2693
03:27:48,844 --> 03:27:53,804
balanced and aligned with the town's values. Vision and strategic

2694
03:27:53,804 --> 03:27:57,724
priorities and further that council request a staff report to

2695
03:27:57,724 --> 03:28:01,089
be prepared to. Consider if there are other location types

2696
03:28:01,089 --> 03:28:05,049
in our community that should be reviewed for additional protest

2697
03:28:05,049 --> 03:28:11,282
related protection. Do we have a secondary? Councilor Perry. So,

2698
03:28:11,282 --> 03:28:14,442
Mayor Hamlin, you'll speak first? I'll speak first. Yeah. Thank

2699
03:28:14,442 --> 03:28:19,323
you. We all know we've had protesters in front of

2700
03:28:19,323 --> 03:28:22,403
town hall for a long time, and the first deputy

2701
03:28:22,403 --> 03:28:30,006
today spoke to those protests as a reason. She almost

2702
03:28:30,006 --> 03:28:32,526
was suggesting, I think, that my motion was a back

2703
03:28:32,526 --> 03:28:35,726
doorway of stopping the protests in front of town hall.

2704
03:28:37,398 --> 03:28:42,011
But that's, in fact, not the case. My motion is

2705
03:28:42,011 --> 03:28:47,497
specifically directed. To a vulnerable section of our community, children.

2706
03:28:49,059 --> 03:28:55,540
For sure and I can't emphasize enough. That Collingwood. Clearly.

2707
03:28:57,485 --> 03:29:04,949
Accepts the idea of. Democratic ability. To legally and peacefully

2708
03:29:04,949 --> 03:29:09,174
protest. Nobody is at all speaking about that. Certainly not

2709
03:29:09,174 --> 03:29:15,002
me. but i have heard so much and perhaps you

2710
03:29:15,002 --> 03:29:19,720
have as well About these targeted attacks that end up

2711
03:29:19,720 --> 03:29:25,922
affecting our children. I know that. Some of the kids

2712
03:29:25,922 --> 03:29:30,202
at CCI have had things happen to their lockers who.

2713
03:29:32,527 --> 03:29:35,047
Are of a jewish religion. I know. Things are scratched

2714
03:29:35,047 --> 03:29:39,912
on sidewalks, in front of their homes. And. This latest.

2715
03:29:41,809 --> 03:29:47,378
Effort of the protesters was because. A bus that was

2716
03:29:47,378 --> 03:29:51,970
going from school to school. Primarily with the job of

2717
03:29:51,970 --> 03:29:55,468
explaining what the Holocaust was. Caused them to run out.

2718
03:29:57,734 --> 03:30:01,816
And. Protest this as well. What people are protesting about

2719
03:30:01,816 --> 03:30:07,206
doesn't really matter. Lots of people are going to protest

2720
03:30:07,206 --> 03:30:11,194
if they don't like the war. It's fine. In the

2721
03:30:11,194 --> 03:30:13,674
Middle east, there's no end of wars to say we

2722
03:30:13,674 --> 03:30:16,554
don't support. I can think of about ten right now.

2723
03:30:18,085 --> 03:30:22,594
And. They're certainly entitled to be protesting that these wars

2724
03:30:22,594 --> 03:30:27,904
are going on. But I feel that. The safety and

2725
03:30:27,904 --> 03:30:32,365
security of our kids and how they feel intimidated. And

2726
03:30:32,365 --> 03:30:36,176
the fact that people show up. To protest outside their

2727
03:30:36,176 --> 03:30:38,856
school, who, by all accounts, and this was one of

2728
03:30:38,856 --> 03:30:42,648
the slides that was. Pulled today. With swearing and so

2729
03:30:42,648 --> 03:30:46,936
on going on. It not only intimidates the kids in

2730
03:30:46,936 --> 03:30:50,016
the school, but I worry that it gives a license

2731
03:30:50,016 --> 03:30:54,376
to those who are otherwise bullying to feel like, well,

2732
03:30:54,376 --> 03:30:56,696
this must be okay if there's. Some adults out there

2733
03:30:56,696 --> 03:31:01,012
who. think that this is a great thing to do

2734
03:31:01,094 --> 03:31:07,775
So. I'm trying to straddle that line between. Not limiting

2735
03:31:07,775 --> 03:31:11,695
anyone's right to protest, but making sure that the protests

2736
03:31:11,695 --> 03:31:15,815
aren't in locations that cause harm, jeopardize safety, or target

2737
03:31:15,815 --> 03:31:21,037
our kids. So that's the nature of my motion. Now,

2738
03:31:21,037 --> 03:31:25,557
I did add on. The further request to staff report

2739
03:31:25,557 --> 03:31:30,664
if there's other locations that should be reviewed. Because I

2740
03:31:30,664 --> 03:31:33,624
have had, and again, perhaps you've had people reach out

2741
03:31:33,624 --> 03:31:37,250
to you saying, well, Why just the schools? What about.

2742
03:31:38,678 --> 03:31:41,710
This kind of. Sensitive infrastructure, whether it's a hospital, a

2743
03:31:41,710 --> 03:31:46,503
daycare, Whatever. There's a whole list. I've certainly had sent

2744
03:31:46,503 --> 03:31:50,455
to me. So I haven't really got any opinions about

2745
03:31:50,455 --> 03:31:53,352
that, but. I thought I would add on to the

2746
03:31:53,352 --> 03:31:58,570
motion. For staff to report back to us. I so

2747
03:31:58,570 --> 03:32:02,720
recognize that some communities have taken. A very big approach

2748
03:32:02,720 --> 03:32:06,640
to this. VAUGHN in June, I think, did bubbles around

2749
03:32:06,640 --> 03:32:10,998
all kinds of what they call sensitive public infrastructure. But

2750
03:32:10,998 --> 03:32:15,078
my motion today is primarily to protect our kids, and

2751
03:32:15,078 --> 03:32:18,198
with a side motion or a second. Part of the

2752
03:32:18,198 --> 03:32:22,319
motion. That staff review and provide any advice they can

2753
03:32:22,319 --> 03:32:24,719
give us on whether we need to think about this

2754
03:32:24,719 --> 03:32:32,035
further. Thank you. Thanks. Debut mer Fryer. And. On the

2755
03:32:32,035 --> 03:32:35,585
last part. Of your motion, Mayor Hamlin, when it talks

2756
03:32:35,585 --> 03:32:38,185
with the other community spaces I received, which I believe

2757
03:32:38,185 --> 03:32:41,810
you have to. Some correspondence from the bia. And maybe

2758
03:32:41,810 --> 03:32:44,210
not so much directly from the BIA to you, but

2759
03:32:44,210 --> 03:32:47,890
members of the BIA. And there was some incidents over

2760
03:32:47,890 --> 03:32:51,570
the weekend that involved Santa. And I think in a

2761
03:32:51,570 --> 03:32:55,730
case like this looking at understanding free speech, understanding out

2762
03:32:55,730 --> 03:33:00,947
there that. I look at. The young kids that are

2763
03:33:00,947 --> 03:33:03,947
on Santa's knee talking about what they want for Christmas.

2764
03:33:03,947 --> 03:33:06,827
Really? Should not be involved in anything along these kinds

2765
03:33:06,827 --> 03:33:10,985
of behaviors. And then to be harassing Santa on the

2766
03:33:10,985 --> 03:33:13,865
main street of Collingwood, I think is out of line

2767
03:33:13,865 --> 03:33:18,539
and. Not right. The one question I do have, and

2768
03:33:18,539 --> 03:33:22,299
we can create bylaws and stuff, but. The enforcement piece

2769
03:33:22,299 --> 03:33:27,409
of it. I haven't seen personally, but I've heard firsthand

2770
03:33:27,409 --> 03:33:30,449
that these kind of options have had our own staff

2771
03:33:30,449 --> 03:33:34,886
in tears. When speaking with members of the OBP at

2772
03:33:34,886 --> 03:33:39,601
flagrazings to see if they were aware. And it doesn't

2773
03:33:39,601 --> 03:33:43,106
seem to be enforced. Where does the enforcement piece come

2774
03:33:43,106 --> 03:33:46,266
into this? And an understanding. I believe the police might

2775
03:33:46,266 --> 03:33:51,227
have been. Present at the school. Are they actually going

2776
03:33:51,227 --> 03:33:55,095
to step up and enforce it? Because. Or is this

2777
03:33:55,095 --> 03:33:59,111
just time of hot air? So that's my question. I've

2778
03:33:59,111 --> 03:34:03,071
had a few discussions with our detachment commander over the

2779
03:34:03,071 --> 03:34:11,001
last year or so. About. These protests. What I think

2780
03:34:11,001 --> 03:34:16,185
their job is to enforce the criminal law. And there's

2781
03:34:16,185 --> 03:34:19,785
a really narrow definition of hate in the criminal code

2782
03:34:19,785 --> 03:34:26,722
right now. As I understand it. The officers haven't seen.

2783
03:34:28,643 --> 03:34:34,015
Any. Breaking of that law. But I think the motion

2784
03:34:34,015 --> 03:34:37,868
here, part of it. Is going to be addressing enforcement.

2785
03:34:37,868 --> 03:34:42,040
How will that be addressed? And I'm looking forward to.

2786
03:34:42,040 --> 03:34:44,400
We'll have a further discussion on that as far as

2787
03:34:44,400 --> 03:34:47,720
I'm concerned. Yeah, just a quick follow up. Absolutely. And

2788
03:34:47,720 --> 03:34:51,461
again. I've had the opportunity to speak with my two

2789
03:34:51,461 --> 03:34:57,211
kids who both attend CCI. And they were aware of.

2790
03:34:59,694 --> 03:35:02,974
The bus and being there, however, didn't really know what

2791
03:35:02,974 --> 03:35:07,686
it was all about. They hadn't been aware of any

2792
03:35:07,686 --> 03:35:11,960
hostile environment. But at the same time, Talking to friends

2793
03:35:11,960 --> 03:35:15,240
since there is a little bit of animosity in angst

2794
03:35:15,240 --> 03:35:18,520
and anxiety. That goes along with it. So given the

2795
03:35:18,520 --> 03:35:21,720
fact of the school areas and then obviously with what's

2796
03:35:21,720 --> 03:35:26,153
happened downtown. I know for myself. Just attending the farmers

2797
03:35:26,153 --> 03:35:28,913
market, just walking across the street. I've been approached in

2798
03:35:28,913 --> 03:35:32,430
a very hostile manner. And again, speak all you want

2799
03:35:32,430 --> 03:35:35,910
on what you believe in, but certainly the options I

2800
03:35:35,910 --> 03:35:45,883
wouldn't. Support. Thanks. To deputy mayor. So

2801
03:35:45,883 --> 03:35:52,756
understanding. The challenges in terms of enforcement and or. What

2802
03:35:52,756 --> 03:35:56,573
as a municipality we can put in place. I think

2803
03:35:56,573 --> 03:36:00,394
what I'd be asking is that the. Mayor's motion in

2804
03:36:00,394 --> 03:36:03,314
its entirety. Go to legal before we go to all

2805
03:36:03,314 --> 03:36:09,312
the other avenues. That we get legal advice on. Exactly

2806
03:36:09,312 --> 03:36:13,610
what it is that we can do. We've been through

2807
03:36:13,610 --> 03:36:17,888
this process before and other things. And I think it'd

2808
03:36:17,888 --> 03:36:20,688
be really critically important to start out. I mean, you've

2809
03:36:20,688 --> 03:36:22,728
put it as part, but I think you should just

2810
03:36:22,728 --> 03:36:24,488
start with the whole thing right up front. And then

2811
03:36:24,488 --> 03:36:26,928
we move to the other pieces, and I think that.

2812
03:36:28,638 --> 03:36:30,678
That would satisfy a lot of our questions before we

2813
03:36:30,678 --> 03:36:34,798
got into the details of where, how many places and

2814
03:36:34,798 --> 03:36:38,053
those kind of questions, so. That would be maybe a

2815
03:36:38,053 --> 03:36:41,933
referral back to staff to run our existing bylaw. Your

2816
03:36:41,933 --> 03:36:45,493
motion. And everything through legal first, and then we can

2817
03:36:45,493 --> 03:36:49,904
have an understanding of what exactly. We can do. Yeah.

2818
03:36:51,556 --> 03:36:54,839
I thought that's, in fact, what would happen. The second

2819
03:36:54,839 --> 03:36:58,199
part is that staff consult with legal counsel Collingwood Opp.

2820
03:37:01,323 --> 03:37:04,163
Local public school stakeholders to ensure the proposed bylaw is

2821
03:37:04,163 --> 03:37:09,813
enforceable, balanced and aligned with town's values. Vision and strategic

2822
03:37:09,813 --> 03:37:14,013
priorities, but perhaps through. You chair. Could we ask the

2823
03:37:14,013 --> 03:37:18,405
clerk if that's also her intention? We'll get clerk on

2824
03:37:18,405 --> 03:37:21,312
us first, and then I'll come back to you. I

2825
03:37:21,312 --> 03:37:24,032
don't think we should be putting through staff trying to

2826
03:37:24,032 --> 03:37:27,432
draft something until we have a clear understanding from legal

2827
03:37:27,432 --> 03:37:29,512
where we can go in terms of the drafting or

2828
03:37:29,512 --> 03:37:37,489
if. There is. A shorter way to address, per one

2829
03:37:37,489 --> 03:37:42,967
of the deputies requests through our existing bylaw, But. I

2830
03:37:42,967 --> 03:37:44,647
don't want staff to go through a lot of work

2831
03:37:44,647 --> 03:37:48,388
until we have a clear understanding from legal. We'll have

2832
03:37:48,388 --> 03:37:50,508
the clerk respond, and then I'll look to you to

2833
03:37:50,508 --> 03:37:52,788
see if you are looking to put an amendment on

2834
03:37:52,788 --> 03:37:57,948
for. Thank you. Through the deputy mayor. We could easily

2835
03:37:57,948 --> 03:38:00,268
just note where the LiNe says in further that stock,

2836
03:38:00,268 --> 03:38:06,235
consult with legal counsel. First. We can just add the

2837
03:38:06,235 --> 03:38:08,635
word first in there and then I think that so

2838
03:38:08,635 --> 03:38:12,035
if the mover in seconder would be okay with that?

2839
03:38:12,035 --> 03:38:21,892
I would be fine. I

2840
03:38:21,892 --> 03:38:23,612
think that's all the clerk is going to add right

2841
03:38:23,612 --> 03:38:28,402
now, but. Will that cover what you would like to

2842
03:38:28,402 --> 03:38:33,250
cover? Yeah, I think that's fine. I think it's important

2843
03:38:33,250 --> 03:38:36,410
that council understand the legal as well, not just staff.

2844
03:38:38,627 --> 03:38:40,707
So I think there's kind of a couple of steps

2845
03:38:40,707 --> 03:38:43,347
here where we go to legal. And then we come

2846
03:38:43,347 --> 03:38:46,420
back, and then. Whether we direct staff further or not

2847
03:38:46,420 --> 03:38:52,333
after that. I see it as two steps, okay? Further

2848
03:38:52,333 --> 03:38:55,493
comment, councilor Ring had his card up first, and then

2849
03:38:55,493 --> 03:38:59,558
I'll go to councilor. Dougherty. Thank you, deputy Mayor Fryer.

2850
03:39:02,520 --> 03:39:12,444
Through. I guess. Kirk albus. I'm not doubting

2851
03:39:12,444 --> 03:39:20,633
what was just mentioned. By. Councilor. Jeffrey. I guess what

2852
03:39:20,633 --> 03:39:24,282
I'm trying to say is. I really thought that that's

2853
03:39:24,282 --> 03:39:27,203
the way. This would pair out the way, the way

2854
03:39:27,203 --> 03:39:30,764
it's worded here. But adding right in there, I always

2855
03:39:30,764 --> 03:39:32,364
thought it was going to be two steps. Anyways, this

2856
03:39:32,364 --> 03:39:37,401
isn't here. It's given direction to come back with a

2857
03:39:37,401 --> 03:39:43,884
bylaw, so. I'm thinking that that's the second step, right?

2858
03:39:43,884 --> 03:39:46,644
How they get the information would be the first step.

2859
03:39:46,644 --> 03:39:50,016
And if it's not clear? I was like the mayor.

2860
03:39:50,016 --> 03:39:52,976
I thought it was covered in that one paragraph, but

2861
03:39:52,976 --> 03:39:55,896
adding the word write. Or I mean, first. Sorry, not

2862
03:39:55,896 --> 03:40:00,608
right. Clarifies it, then I'm happy with that. But I

2863
03:40:00,608 --> 03:40:03,601
think the second steps. It's going to be before they

2864
03:40:03,601 --> 03:40:07,589
bring a bylaw back. They would have to consult with

2865
03:40:07,589 --> 03:40:11,540
these people first, would they not? I'm going to turn

2866
03:40:11,540 --> 03:40:14,965
to council, Jeffrey, but that's my understanding, too. We're adding

2867
03:40:14,965 --> 03:40:16,965
the first. I think what it's meant to do is

2868
03:40:16,965 --> 03:40:21,453
if there's any red flags? Then councilor Jeffrey expects that

2869
03:40:21,453 --> 03:40:24,342
it would come back to council. I wouldn't have brought

2870
03:40:24,342 --> 03:40:26,062
it up if I didn't think it wasn't. Clear, and

2871
03:40:26,062 --> 03:40:27,862
I don't think it was clear that there was two

2872
03:40:27,862 --> 03:40:29,582
steps and that we would have staff doing a lot

2873
03:40:29,582 --> 03:40:33,702
of work before council was privy to the legal consultation,

2874
03:40:33,702 --> 03:40:36,622
so I think it's important that we're all involved in

2875
03:40:36,622 --> 03:40:40,770
this as we move it forward. Follow up councilor ring.

2876
03:40:42,649 --> 03:40:45,929
Question. I thought it was clear. I can give my

2877
03:40:45,929 --> 03:40:49,679
opinion too. So I thought it was clear enough, but,

2878
03:40:49,679 --> 03:40:51,519
I mean, I guess apparently it wasn't. If that's the

2879
03:40:51,519 --> 03:40:53,759
case. Then let's go with the third step then. I

2880
03:40:53,759 --> 03:41:01,801
don't. Care. And Claire Thomas like to speak. Certainly. So

2881
03:41:01,801 --> 03:41:05,281
for clarity, the report that's coming back is looking at

2882
03:41:05,281 --> 03:41:11,895
other. Related or other locations for additional protest related protections.

2883
03:41:11,895 --> 03:41:15,335
So as this is worded, we would do a consultation

2884
03:41:15,335 --> 03:41:18,695
with these other parties if they have no concern in

2885
03:41:18,695 --> 03:41:21,535
how the bylaw is drafted. But the intent is that

2886
03:41:21,535 --> 03:41:23,695
it's not going to be an additional staff report. It

2887
03:41:23,695 --> 03:41:25,495
will. Either be a bylaw or it will be a

2888
03:41:25,495 --> 03:41:28,642
bylaw amendment. So when it comes back, But if legal

2889
03:41:28,642 --> 03:41:32,393
says right off the get go. No, we don't recommend

2890
03:41:32,393 --> 03:41:34,833
you doing it. Then we would report back if they

2891
03:41:34,833 --> 03:41:36,913
said yes. You can do it. There are sample bylaws

2892
03:41:36,913 --> 03:41:41,630
out there. We can move forward. Pending to further conversation

2893
03:41:41,630 --> 03:41:45,070
too, with our detachment commander and their resources available. And

2894
03:41:45,070 --> 03:41:49,896
what that would mean. For them. A bile could come

2895
03:41:49,896 --> 03:41:55,920
directly back. Or additional information if it's not recommended. And

2896
03:41:55,920 --> 03:41:58,720
before I turn to councilor Jeffrey, you said directly, and

2897
03:41:58,720 --> 03:42:00,480
I'm just going to check this because it is a

2898
03:42:00,480 --> 03:42:03,840
question I have. When the report comes back, it'll come.

2899
03:42:03,840 --> 03:42:08,680
Through the community. The whole process, or is it coming

2900
03:42:08,680 --> 03:42:12,680
back directly to council? So it is. At this point

2901
03:42:12,680 --> 03:42:17,187
in time, it would come back directly to council. With.

2902
03:42:18,117 --> 03:42:21,237
The only opportunity for public input. Is it written or

2903
03:42:21,237 --> 03:42:25,558
asking for delegation? So, Councilor Ring, did you have any

2904
03:42:25,558 --> 03:42:28,927
further follow up? Okay, so I'll turn to Councilor Dorita.

2905
03:42:31,312 --> 03:42:36,112
Thank you. I'm very glad that Councilor Jeffrey made the

2906
03:42:36,112 --> 03:42:45,409
suggestion that she did. Because. Although I understand. Totally the

2907
03:42:45,409 --> 03:42:50,463
mayor's intent. I think that. This is the thin edge

2908
03:42:50,463 --> 03:42:57,671
of the wedge. In terms of. Limiting. an ability For

2909
03:42:57,671 --> 03:43:06,024
freedom of expression. And lawful gathering. And I do not

2910
03:43:06,024 --> 03:43:10,044
think that it is the place of the municipality. To

2911
03:43:10,044 --> 03:43:19,654
say. Where these demonstration. Demonstrations. Can be held. The

2912
03:43:19,654 --> 03:43:26,296
issue, in my view. Is an issue of definition and

2913
03:43:26,296 --> 03:43:30,566
enforcement. We don't have a definition of what a nuisance.

2914
03:43:32,205 --> 03:43:36,565
Demonstration is we need one and we need it enforced.

2915
03:43:36,565 --> 03:43:43,048
And I think that. Once. Our police services. Have. A

2916
03:43:43,048 --> 03:43:47,525
proper definition of what a nuisance gathering might be. Then.

2917
03:43:49,125 --> 03:43:54,405
We would have some tools to work. With. People in

2918
03:43:54,405 --> 03:44:01,033
our municipality really, whether. Whatever side of an issue that

2919
03:44:01,033 --> 03:44:04,576
they might be on. Oh, I had something else in

2920
03:44:04,576 --> 03:44:10,955
my head. It just jumped right out. Okay, I'll leave

2921
03:44:10,955 --> 03:44:17,597
it at that. Definition and enforcement. I know what I

2922
03:44:17,597 --> 03:44:24,676
was going to say. Of all places. I think. That.

2923
03:44:26,442 --> 03:44:32,308
Schools. And the students in those schools. Should have the

2924
03:44:32,308 --> 03:44:39,742
ability to. See how our democratic. Process works and that

2925
03:44:39,742 --> 03:44:44,717
they are free to express themselves. But again, the issue

2926
03:44:44,717 --> 03:44:49,722
here is the definition of what is a nuisance. Demonstration.

2927
03:44:50,828 --> 03:44:58,587
Not demonstration, per se. Comment from any other counselors. I'll

2928
03:44:58,587 --> 03:45:08,156
just check with the others first, counselor. Councilor Baines. Go

2929
03:45:08,156 --> 03:45:11,196
ahead, and then I'll come back to you. Counselor. Thank

2930
03:45:11,196 --> 03:45:15,516
you. Deputy Mayor friar. I would just like to compliment

2931
03:45:15,516 --> 03:45:22,169
the mayor, actually. On bringing forward. Unfortunately, it would seem.

2932
03:45:23,625 --> 03:45:26,305
And I may disagree with my colleague here, Councilor Doherty.

2933
03:45:28,043 --> 03:45:32,535
At least under. The certain circumstances now and necessary. But.

2934
03:45:33,773 --> 03:45:36,133
Prudent, I hope. Response. It's unfortunate it has to be

2935
03:45:36,133 --> 03:45:43,468
even considered. But. I'm sensitive to its limited scope of

2936
03:45:43,468 --> 03:45:48,932
the bubble. As proposed here and look forward to the

2937
03:45:48,932 --> 03:45:51,772
next step of this. Actually, from hearing a response back

2938
03:45:51,772 --> 03:45:59,874
from staff. Thank you. Councilor McCullough. Thank you, chair. Just

2939
03:45:59,874 --> 03:46:02,514
picking up on some of what councilor Dougherty had said.

2940
03:46:04,239 --> 03:46:08,614
My feeling is it is more about. The nuisance. The

2941
03:46:08,614 --> 03:46:13,134
definition of the nuisance. It's the conduct we're trying. To

2942
03:46:13,134 --> 03:46:17,334
measure and contain when it's out of step with our

2943
03:46:17,334 --> 03:46:20,814
norms, not the content it is the conduct, and I

2944
03:46:20,814 --> 03:46:23,934
think once you've defined that, it can be applied anywhere

2945
03:46:23,934 --> 03:46:28,263
in Collingwood. Not only at a school. Anywhere where a

2946
03:46:28,263 --> 03:46:33,383
protest or a demonstration takes place that exceeds acceptable standards

2947
03:46:33,383 --> 03:46:37,463
of conduct. So I think it's a fairly universal tool

2948
03:46:37,463 --> 03:46:40,143
that can be used to deal with situations that become

2949
03:46:40,143 --> 03:46:45,183
out of control or border on harassment or threatening behavior.

2950
03:46:45,183 --> 03:46:53,053
Thank you. Any further, Councilor Perry. Okay, so councilor ring.

2951
03:46:55,578 --> 03:46:58,218
It was just, again, going to say that I thought

2952
03:46:58,218 --> 03:47:02,124
that. At what request of Councilor Dougherty is already in

2953
03:47:02,124 --> 03:47:06,180
the motion. I'm seeing here a clear definition of nuisance

2954
03:47:06,180 --> 03:47:11,011
protest. And that explains what? And then where the enforcement.

2955
03:47:11,011 --> 03:47:17,851
Enforcement provisions and collaboration with the Ontario provincial police. So

2956
03:47:17,851 --> 03:47:20,131
the two things she thought she'd like to see in

2957
03:47:20,131 --> 03:47:24,610
this notice of motion are. Both there. Councilor Dougherty. Go

2958
03:47:24,610 --> 03:47:32,452
ahead. What I'm not comfortable with in. This motion is.

2959
03:47:33,586 --> 03:47:40,751
Reference to any defined buffer zone. Around any public. Entity.

2960
03:47:42,070 --> 03:47:48,003
Like a school. Or a bia district. That's what I'm

2961
03:47:48,003 --> 03:47:52,107
not comfortable with at this point in time. Thank you.

2962
03:47:54,001 --> 03:47:57,201
Councilor Perry. Go ahead. Thank you. I wasn't going to

2963
03:47:57,201 --> 03:48:03,353
comment, but I do believe. This motion covers everything. And

2964
03:48:03,353 --> 03:48:04,793
as far as even going, what is a bubble zone?

2965
03:48:06,368 --> 03:48:08,968
I think everything's covered in there. I'm totally comfortable with

2966
03:48:08,968 --> 03:48:13,080
it. And I don't know if we need to make

2967
03:48:13,080 --> 03:48:16,240
it anymore. I'm not saying it's complicated, but we don't

2968
03:48:16,240 --> 03:48:25,880
need to make it more complicated. Don't see any more

2969
03:48:25,880 --> 03:48:29,785
comments, so I'll make my comments. And. I feel the

2970
03:48:29,785 --> 03:48:34,065
current nuisance bylaw outlines most of what's already been talked

2971
03:48:34,065 --> 03:48:37,785
about. I've got no problem with supporting this going forward.

2972
03:48:39,176 --> 03:48:42,096
But I'd be surprised if there's much change to the

2973
03:48:42,096 --> 03:48:44,616
current nuisance bylaw that we have. I think it's being

2974
03:48:44,616 --> 03:48:47,296
established. It says, nuisance shall mean an activity that causes

2975
03:48:47,296 --> 03:48:50,936
an unsafe environment affects the well being of persons and

2976
03:48:50,936 --> 03:48:53,216
where the enjoyment of public space and shall be limited

2977
03:48:53,216 --> 03:48:58,023
to activities described in section three. And there's. Twelve activities

2978
03:48:58,023 --> 03:49:00,703
that I think cover an awful lot of what we've

2979
03:49:00,703 --> 03:49:06,239
just been talking about. So. It is a 2013 bylaw,

2980
03:49:06,239 --> 03:49:10,938
and things have changed dramatically, so. I could be wrong.

2981
03:49:11,538 --> 03:49:15,188
But. I do believe we have a good bylaw enforcement.

2982
03:49:16,814 --> 03:49:21,271
Is always going to be the problem. With this. I'm

2983
03:49:21,271 --> 03:49:23,951
concerned about trying to have one of our municipal officers

2984
03:49:23,951 --> 03:49:27,431
do something enforcement wise. It is identified in the nuisance

2985
03:49:27,431 --> 03:49:34,157
by law. That the police officer. Is also. An enforcement

2986
03:49:34,157 --> 03:49:41,411
agent. But. As Mary Hamill explained, They're even hesitant to

2987
03:49:41,411 --> 03:49:45,414
step into this. But anyway, so we've had good discussion

2988
03:49:45,414 --> 03:49:51,497
of it. Is everybody comfortable that they understand the lengthy

2989
03:49:51,497 --> 03:49:55,790
motion that's had a few amendments to it? Does anybody

2990
03:49:55,790 --> 03:50:00,350
need to go ahead? Councilor Dory. Thank you. I'd like

2991
03:50:00,350 --> 03:50:10,344
to request a sever. Severe, whereas recent. Protests near

2992
03:50:10,344 --> 03:50:20,261
school property. And. The last and whereas, and therefore

2993
03:50:20,261 --> 03:50:27,487
be it. Separate that out. So the second and the

2994
03:50:27,487 --> 03:50:34,504
last, whereas, yeah. I'm not asking to sever that. Therefore,

2995
03:50:34,504 --> 03:50:39,501
be it resolved as well. And that doesn't require a

2996
03:50:39,501 --> 03:50:46,281
secondary. I need clarity and looking. I've just put the

2997
03:50:46,281 --> 03:50:52,053
motion back up on the screen. So there's three pieces.

2998
03:50:54,328 --> 03:50:57,540
So the main be it resolve line and then. Further

2999
03:50:57,540 --> 03:51:03,760
that in another and further. Ad. Yeah. So. If you

3000
03:51:03,760 --> 03:51:09,299
scroll to the top. Click on this. So moved. Seconded.

3001
03:51:09,299 --> 03:51:15,099
Whereas. Okay, so. And whereas. Recent protest near school properties

3002
03:51:15,099 --> 03:51:23,313
to separate that out. Please. The second. And then also

3003
03:51:23,313 --> 03:51:29,892
sever. And whereas the town is committed to protecting. So,

3004
03:51:29,892 --> 03:51:34,361
Councilor Dory, that is the preamble, right? We'd be voting.

3005
03:51:36,096 --> 03:51:44,305
On. The therefore and the further that. The preamble. Isn't

3006
03:51:44,305 --> 03:51:48,595
something that's being considered from a voting standpoint. Am I

3007
03:51:48,595 --> 03:51:51,332
correct? It's a reference to specific locations that I have

3008
03:51:51,332 --> 03:51:56,415
a problem with. But the staff report is to consider

3009
03:51:56,415 --> 03:52:05,612
other location types. Would you like?

3010
03:52:07,978 --> 03:52:11,298
That third part of the motion, which is the amended

3011
03:52:11,298 --> 03:52:16,058
inclusion and further, that council request a staff report. Be

3012
03:52:16,058 --> 03:52:18,978
prepared to consider if there are other location types in

3013
03:52:18,978 --> 03:52:21,818
our community that should be reviewed. Would you like that

3014
03:52:21,818 --> 03:52:30,911
severed? Actually. I think. If we could just sever.

3015
03:52:32,322 --> 03:52:36,721
The therefore. And further that and what I would do

3016
03:52:36,721 --> 03:52:43,073
is support just second part. We will vote separately. On

3017
03:52:43,073 --> 03:52:48,424
the therefore. The first and further that and the second

3018
03:52:48,424 --> 03:52:50,784
and further in that. So I'm going to call a

3019
03:52:50,784 --> 03:52:55,564
vote to the. First. In case anybody else would like

3020
03:52:55,564 --> 03:52:59,077
to say anything. And this is to therefore be it

3021
03:52:59,077 --> 03:53:04,713
resolved at council direct staff. As highlighted by Kirkham is

3022
03:53:04,713 --> 03:53:08,078
there for us on the screen. Everybody's okay with that?

3023
03:53:10,468 --> 03:53:15,079
Go ahead, councilor. Ring terribly. Yeah, it was a gray

3024
03:53:15,079 --> 03:53:20,355
highlight that I meant. Sorry. You need this to go

3025
03:53:20,355 --> 03:53:23,635
with that. So that's what we'll do. We're? Voting on

3026
03:53:23,635 --> 03:53:33,089
the yellow highlight. On the screen. Just that the

3027
03:53:33,089 --> 03:53:37,654
second and further that. Is so much an integral part

3028
03:53:37,654 --> 03:53:40,980
of the first part of this motion. I don't know

3029
03:53:40,980 --> 03:53:46,380
if Councilor Dougherty needs that second one. What that suggests

3030
03:53:46,380 --> 03:53:48,700
to me is that we are going to rely on

3031
03:53:48,700 --> 03:53:51,940
legal counsel before we do. Another thing. And that's why

3032
03:53:51,940 --> 03:53:56,340
I would support that. And further the staff consult with

3033
03:53:56,340 --> 03:54:01,683
radio. Casting. Okay, let's keep going.

3034
03:54:06,559 --> 03:54:13,078
For me, anyway. That's the only part of this motion

3035
03:54:13,078 --> 03:54:16,318
that I would support. The request is for severing and

3036
03:54:16,318 --> 03:54:18,278
that can be made. So we will vote on the

3037
03:54:18,278 --> 03:54:24,368
yellow highlight. All those in favor? And opposed. And so

3038
03:54:24,368 --> 03:54:33,613
noted. That carries on the blue highlight. All those in

3039
03:54:33,613 --> 03:54:42,686
favor? And that is unanimous. On the fuchsia. Highlight.

3040
03:54:43,891 --> 03:54:53,556
Ready to vote. All those in favor? And opposed. And

3041
03:54:53,556 --> 03:54:55,796
so noted, but carries and I'll turn back to you.

3042
03:54:57,020 --> 03:55:02,949
Thank you. The next item on our agenda is 14.2,

3043
03:55:02,949 --> 03:55:08,412
which is. A motion concerning mandatory water safety and survive

3044
03:55:08,412 --> 03:55:10,972
to swim training. And I'll turn it over. To you,

3045
03:55:10,972 --> 03:55:14,648
deputy mayor, to read in your motion. Thank you, Mayor

3046
03:55:14,648 --> 03:55:18,328
Hamlin. Whereas drowning is a leading cause of preventable death

3047
03:55:18,328 --> 03:55:21,888
among children in Ontario and basic swimming and widow otter

3048
03:55:21,888 --> 03:55:26,448
survival skills significantly reduced this risk. And whereas Collingwood's community

3049
03:55:26,448 --> 03:55:31,528
based strategic plan emphasizes safety, well being, and active lifestyles,

3050
03:55:31,528 --> 03:55:36,601
particularly given our waterfront in recreational. Amenities. Therefore be resolved

3051
03:55:36,601 --> 03:55:39,081
at Council of Town of Collingwood endorsed and support the

3052
03:55:39,081 --> 03:55:43,961
initiative to advocate for mandatory water swimming, water safety and

3053
03:55:43,961 --> 03:55:48,641
swim to survive training in the Ontario elementary school curriculum

3054
03:55:48,641 --> 03:55:51,681
and that this resolution be forwarded to the applicable government

3055
03:55:51,681 --> 03:55:56,349
authorities. MPP, Saunderson, local school boards and the association. Of

3056
03:55:56,349 --> 03:56:02,279
municipal municipalities of Ontario for their endorsement. And I look

3057
03:56:02,279 --> 03:56:12,038
for a secondary. Oh, sorry. Forgot I was

3058
03:56:12,038 --> 03:56:17,115
cheering already. Councilor Perry. Okay. Do you want to speak

3059
03:56:17,115 --> 03:56:24,465
first or last? I'll just speak for. Mary allen. Somewhat

3060
03:56:24,465 --> 03:56:30,462
similar. This is. A supportive motion to our neighbor. But

3061
03:56:30,462 --> 03:56:34,084
in this particular case, It does involve a situation where

3062
03:56:34,084 --> 03:56:37,884
we have an extensive shoreline as well, and therefore I

3063
03:56:37,884 --> 03:56:41,884
went to staff and asked for their input before bringing

3064
03:56:41,884 --> 03:56:47,315
this forward, and they were very supportive. Of asking for

3065
03:56:47,315 --> 03:56:57,313
mandatory. Provincial mandatory. Directives. And that they would

3066
03:56:57,313 --> 03:57:02,691
be prepared to. Help. The local schools be able to

3067
03:57:02,691 --> 03:57:05,851
provide that if the prophets chose to go that direction.

3068
03:57:07,590 --> 03:57:10,950
And I will leave it at that parahamela. Okay. Thank

3069
03:57:10,950 --> 03:57:16,301
you. Any comments or questions. Seeing none. All those in

3070
03:57:16,301 --> 03:57:22,730
favor? And that's unanimous? Okay, so what we're going to

3071
03:57:22,730 --> 03:57:26,130
do is move into the community of the whole there's.

3072
03:57:26,130 --> 03:57:29,010
Two primary things left on the agenda. The first ones

3073
03:57:29,010 --> 03:57:33,609
are budget, and the second one is. Master servicing plan

3074
03:57:33,609 --> 03:57:37,518
award of contract. And what I'm going to suggest we

3075
03:57:37,518 --> 03:57:40,158
can move into committee of the whole as I mentioned.

3076
03:57:42,041 --> 03:57:46,095
Earlier. We're going to deal with the budget first. And.

3077
03:57:47,468 --> 03:57:51,318
I'll be chairing that part of the meeting. And then

3078
03:57:51,318 --> 03:57:55,329
we'll. Switch seats. With what will then be chair Perry

3079
03:57:55,329 --> 03:57:58,289
and he'll continue on with the rest of the agenda.

3080
03:57:59,929 --> 03:58:02,289
And so before I'll get to our sean in a

3081
03:58:02,289 --> 03:58:05,129
second, I also wanted to suggest. That we take a

3082
03:58:05,129 --> 03:58:08,649
40 minutes break before we pursue this. Yes, go ahead.

3083
03:58:28,243 --> 03:58:36,402
Okay. CEO is raising the point that perhaps. If we

3084
03:58:36,402 --> 03:58:42,458
dealt with the master servicing plan now. Then manager Lill

3085
03:58:42,458 --> 03:58:48,936
could leave. How does that sound? Manager? I'd love to

3086
03:58:48,936 --> 03:58:51,936
see it. Okay, that was a good request then. Co

3087
03:58:51,936 --> 03:58:57,339
skinner. So we'll do the motion to go into committee

3088
03:58:57,339 --> 03:59:00,379
as a whole, and maybe, councilor. Perry. You can share

3089
03:59:00,379 --> 03:59:04,798
from there, all right? So the recommendation council move into

3090
03:59:04,798 --> 03:59:07,758
the committee of the whole session move in a seconder

3091
03:59:07,758 --> 03:59:13,598
deputy mayor. Seconded by councilor McCullough. All those in favor,

3092
03:59:13,598 --> 03:59:18,984
and that's unanimous. Okay. Chair Perry, over to you. Thank

3093
03:59:18,984 --> 03:59:23,384
you, Mayor Hamlin. I will go right to item 15.2.1,

3094
03:59:23,384 --> 03:59:31,362
master servicing. Plan MSP award contract. Rpf 2025. And I'll

3095
03:59:31,362 --> 03:59:40,541
hand it over to director Alcoca. Internal. Just. Okay. Manager

3096
03:59:40,541 --> 03:59:44,580
to Elmel. Thank you. This is going to be a

3097
03:59:44,580 --> 03:59:51,167
quick one. Good evening, council and staff. Thank you, Cao

3098
03:59:51,167 --> 03:59:55,560
Skinner. That was super awesome. So let me just introduce.

3099
03:59:57,214 --> 04:00:00,174
The staff report. I'm Amber Leal, the manager of development

3100
04:00:00,174 --> 04:00:03,094
engineering, and I'm going to provide a quick and brief

3101
04:00:03,094 --> 04:00:07,694
introduction for the staff. Report 20250. One two award of

3102
04:00:07,694 --> 04:00:11,134
the RFP for the master servicing plan. Next slide, please.

3103
04:00:13,449 --> 04:00:16,609
The strategic purpose of the MSP is to guide long

3104
04:00:16,609 --> 04:00:20,689
term water and wastewater infrastructure planning. It aligns our servicing

3105
04:00:20,689 --> 04:00:26,799
capacity with population and employment growth. Current regulations. And intermicipal

3106
04:00:26,799 --> 04:00:31,889
obligations. It provides a defensible, future ready roadmap for infrastructure

3107
04:00:31,889 --> 04:00:37,329
delivery. It incorporates our asset management planning, new official plan

3108
04:00:37,329 --> 04:00:42,889
objectives, and municipal comprehensive review growth projections. And it feeds

3109
04:00:42,889 --> 04:00:47,489
essential information to the upcoming wastewater treatment plant expansion, environmental

3110
04:00:47,489 --> 04:00:52,961
assessment. Next slide, please. To provide a bit of a

3111
04:00:52,961 --> 04:01:01,082
financial overview. Staff originally budgeted this project over three years.

3112
04:01:01,082 --> 04:01:05,122
With an anticipated mid year start, staff allotted 75,000 in

3113
04:01:05,122 --> 04:01:11,722
2025, 150,000 in 2026, and a further 75,000 in 2027.

3114
04:01:12,981 --> 04:01:15,141
Staff were delayed in issuing the RFP due to its

3115
04:01:15,141 --> 04:01:19,261
complexity and further due to the project's. Complexity, staff extended

3116
04:01:19,261 --> 04:01:23,101
the period of time that vendors had to prepare proposals

3117
04:01:23,101 --> 04:01:25,981
upon completion of the review process, staff have had to

3118
04:01:25,981 --> 04:01:29,421
prepare for council's approval of an additional budget request. To

3119
04:01:29,421 --> 04:01:32,901
top up the original budget to support this project, follow.

3120
04:01:32,892 --> 04:01:36,642
Following a length the intent technical procurement process. The company

3121
04:01:36,642 --> 04:01:41,362
with the highest ranked score was WSP Canada and WSP

3122
04:01:41,362 --> 04:01:44,842
Canada had a very thorough and detailed work plan covering

3123
04:01:44,842 --> 04:01:48,362
everything the town has asked for, including a very detailed

3124
04:01:48,362 --> 04:01:54,734
and extensive modeling calibration regime. Excuse me. The recommended proposal

3125
04:01:54,734 --> 04:02:02,503
came in at $430,022.50. Including nonrebatable tax. The total shortfall

3126
04:02:02,503 --> 04:02:07,703
being 130,022 dollarsfifty. Cents given the time of the year.

3127
04:02:10,073 --> 04:02:13,073
It is not expected that any invoicing on this project

3128
04:02:13,073 --> 04:02:15,033
will occur until the new year. And with that in

3129
04:02:15,033 --> 04:02:19,713
mind, staff recommend sending the remaining funds left from 25

3130
04:02:19,713 --> 04:02:22,433
back to source and fully funding the project through the

3131
04:02:22,433 --> 04:02:26,113
26 and 27 budget process to be funded through the

3132
04:02:26,113 --> 04:02:31,200
development charges. Reserve funds. Next slide. Next steps would be

3133
04:02:31,200 --> 04:02:34,800
that council endorse the contract award to WSP as recommended

3134
04:02:34,800 --> 04:02:42,180
and approve the budget allocations and recommend. Recommendations. Finance would

3135
04:02:42,180 --> 04:02:46,300
update the budgets accordingly, purchasing would award the contract and

3136
04:02:46,300 --> 04:02:50,129
development engineering staff would take this project through project. Execution

3137
04:02:50,129 --> 04:02:54,048
over the next 18 months. Next slide. Thank you so

3138
04:02:54,048 --> 04:02:58,443
much. Any questions? Thank you, Manager Leal. I'll look to

3139
04:02:58,443 --> 04:03:07,460
the gallery. Jessica, any comments? Okay. Co. Anyone online? The

3140
04:03:07,460 --> 04:03:14,954
clerk announced that. The clerk. Thank you. We do have

3141
04:03:14,954 --> 04:03:17,234
still a number of participants online, so if there is

3142
04:03:17,234 --> 04:03:22,796
anybody that's. Participating remotely through zoom. Please press the raise

3143
04:03:22,796 --> 04:03:26,404
your hand feature at the bottom of your screen. And

3144
04:03:26,404 --> 04:03:29,324
not at this time. Chair Perry. Okay. Thank you. So,

3145
04:03:29,324 --> 04:03:34,004
I'll read in the recommendation. That staff report in 2020,

3146
04:03:34,004 --> 04:03:39,204
512 Master Servicing Plan, award of contract be received and

3147
04:03:39,204 --> 04:03:48,114
that council approves an additional 130,022. Dollars and be funded

3148
04:03:48,114 --> 04:03:53,954
from the development charges reserves through the 2026 and 2027

3149
04:03:53,954 --> 04:03:59,989
budget process. Can have a mover. Councilor Dougherty. Seconded, Councilor

3150
04:03:59,989 --> 04:04:03,029
Ring and I'll put it in the floor. For discussion.

3151
04:04:03,029 --> 04:04:09,238
Comments. Councilor jeffrey. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So my question,

3152
04:04:09,238 --> 04:04:13,677
I guess through to Andrew Le. I guess I wasn't

3153
04:04:13,677 --> 04:04:16,757
here for the other conversation, but to me, a 43%

3154
04:04:16,757 --> 04:04:21,324
increase. Is a pretty significant one. And I'm just wondering,

3155
04:04:21,324 --> 04:04:24,164
are we really bad budgeters or did something really change?

3156
04:04:25,555 --> 04:04:31,785
Value added. Within this. But, I mean, I read that

3157
04:04:31,785 --> 04:04:33,465
from afar, and it was a bit of a shocker

3158
04:04:33,465 --> 04:04:36,425
to me. I got my calculator out and one that's

3159
04:04:36,425 --> 04:04:41,198
pretty serious. And Juliet to the chair, to the counselor.

3160
04:04:42,499 --> 04:04:45,259
So at the onset of budgeting, sometimes you have to

3161
04:04:45,259 --> 04:04:48,485
do more of a high level exercise. At this point,

3162
04:04:48,485 --> 04:04:54,075
this contract contains not only a very robust calibration, Exercise

3163
04:04:54,075 --> 04:04:56,475
for both the water and the sanitary models, but it

3164
04:04:56,475 --> 04:04:59,909
includes a duplicate of that in three years. So that

3165
04:04:59,909 --> 04:05:02,269
our information stays up to date in this very rapid

3166
04:05:02,269 --> 04:05:06,908
growth period that we're experiencing. In addition. There's funds within

3167
04:05:06,908 --> 04:05:10,748
this contract set aside for modeling requests that come through

3168
04:05:10,748 --> 04:05:15,708
to staff. A certain percentage of that. And then we

3169
04:05:15,708 --> 04:05:18,628
also have a small provisional allowance set aside for any

3170
04:05:18,628 --> 04:05:21,068
additional work that might be needed through the EA process.

3171
04:05:22,602 --> 04:05:24,882
Should there be any part 16 orders at the end?

3172
04:05:27,181 --> 04:05:29,781
So I think that the project that we have now

3173
04:05:29,781 --> 04:05:34,781
is very robust, and it helps to support the wastewater

3174
04:05:34,781 --> 04:05:40,248
treatment EA expansion that's coming up. Councilor Jeffrey. No. Ouch.

3175
04:05:44,276 --> 04:05:53,226
Any other questions or comments? Deputy mayor friar. Yeah. And

3176
04:05:53,226 --> 04:05:57,535
also, thank you for the presentation. And totally understand the

3177
04:05:57,535 --> 04:06:02,422
need for it. For sure, but it did jump that

3178
04:06:02,422 --> 04:06:07,282
substantial amount. So you mentioned about. Because I was going

3179
04:06:07,282 --> 04:06:09,842
to ask what was the amount of contingency? Built into

3180
04:06:09,842 --> 04:06:14,475
it. And you did say small amount. So can you

3181
04:06:14,475 --> 04:06:17,355
elaborate just how much contingency is built? It's not a

3182
04:06:17,355 --> 04:06:20,830
contingency. Sorry. Through the chair to the counselor. It is

3183
04:06:20,830 --> 04:06:23,870
a provisional amount set aside for modeling, and it is

3184
04:06:23,870 --> 04:06:29,975
25,000. To be used over the course of. Three years.

3185
04:06:31,725 --> 04:06:38,243
And the 2051 horizon that's being used. Is that something

3186
04:06:38,243 --> 04:06:42,044
that changed along the way as well? Just thinking of

3187
04:06:42,044 --> 04:06:44,164
some of the things that have happened that the county

3188
04:06:44,164 --> 04:06:49,929
specifically in regards to the annexation debate about. Barry all

3189
04:06:49,929 --> 04:06:53,170
of a sudden? The number of years that was being

3190
04:06:53,170 --> 04:06:57,767
projected out changed in that, but. The horizon was always

3191
04:06:57,767 --> 04:07:01,767
2051. For as long as I've been involved with this

3192
04:07:01,767 --> 04:07:05,517
project. Yeah, I thought that might be to align with

3193
04:07:05,517 --> 04:07:07,517
the official plan. I just thought that might have. Been

3194
04:07:07,517 --> 04:07:09,557
another reason why it might have bumped up the way

3195
04:07:09,557 --> 04:07:13,744
it did. But to your belief, it was always projected

3196
04:07:13,744 --> 04:07:20,308
for 2051. Thank you, chair. That's. Okay. Any other. Councilor

3197
04:07:20,308 --> 04:07:26,026
Baines. It looks like you're okay anyway. I'll call the

3198
04:07:26,026 --> 04:07:28,626
motion to or the recommendation to a vote. All those

3199
04:07:28,626 --> 04:07:34,273
in favor? And that's unanimous. Mayor, do I hand it

3200
04:07:34,273 --> 04:07:36,273
back to you, or do we just take a break?

3201
04:07:38,674 --> 04:07:43,563
Okay. So. You recommended 40 minutes. Okay, 40 minutes break.

3202
04:07:43,563 --> 04:07:50,275
So we'll be back here. At. 650, I guess. Thank

3203
04:07:50,275 --> 04:07:50,315
you.

3204
04:50:57,853 --> 04:51:04,282
Welcome back, council. The next item on our agenda is.

3205
04:51:05,474 --> 04:51:09,913
15.2.2. It's our draft. Two of the budget. And the

3206
04:51:09,913 --> 04:51:13,993
recommendation before us is that staff report t 2025 20.

3207
04:51:15,715 --> 04:51:18,475
Staff. Proposed budget draft two be received. Could I have

3208
04:51:18,475 --> 04:51:22,537
a mover in a seconder, please? Councilor McCullough, seconded by

3209
04:51:22,537 --> 04:51:26,417
councilor Baines. And now we'll open. This up for discussion.

3210
04:51:29,414 --> 04:51:32,934
Go ahead, councilor Potts. Thanks for your hamlet. This is

3211
04:51:32,934 --> 04:51:39,809
where we can start. To talk about adding stuff. Go

3212
04:51:39,809 --> 04:51:43,586
for it. Absolutely. I wanted to bring up, and I

3213
04:51:43,586 --> 04:51:49,300
know. I asked just the question last meeting regarding? The

3214
04:51:49,300 --> 04:51:52,540
open space across the street from Town hall at 84

3215
04:51:52,540 --> 04:51:58,276
here, Ontario and. Again. I recognize there's $25,000 in the

3216
04:51:58,276 --> 04:52:04,326
budget. For some testing and some studies, and I was

3217
04:52:04,326 --> 04:52:08,990
curious to see. If we could. Not even so much

3218
04:52:08,990 --> 04:52:11,830
a wish list, but something as far as moving it

3219
04:52:11,830 --> 04:52:15,184
forward, knowing that it was one of the priorities. On

3220
04:52:15,184 --> 04:52:18,554
the downtown master plan that. We could go low hanging

3221
04:52:18,554 --> 04:52:21,354
fruit. I was curious to see if there was a

3222
04:52:21,354 --> 04:52:27,211
chance I'd. Like to add some additional. Funding. For. On

3223
04:52:27,211 --> 04:52:30,811
top of the funding for studies and stuff, but even

3224
04:52:30,811 --> 04:52:33,691
as far as into the design work, for 2026. So

3225
04:52:33,691 --> 04:52:39,543
that way 2027 was kind of. Ready to go as

3226
04:52:39,543 --> 04:52:41,743
far as the next steps, and I didn't know if

3227
04:52:41,743 --> 04:52:45,865
there was. The ability. And again, looking at potentially, I

3228
04:52:45,865 --> 04:52:48,539
don't know what the costs are, maybe. You guys can.

3229
04:52:48,539 --> 04:52:50,499
Maybe staff has an idea, but I was thinking somewhere

3230
04:52:50,499 --> 04:52:53,979
along with the 80,000 mark. I know there's 25,000, so

3231
04:52:53,979 --> 04:52:55,539
it would be that difference, and I was wondering if

3232
04:52:55,539 --> 04:52:59,724
it could be potentially taken into. The mat funding, so

3233
04:52:59,724 --> 04:53:04,437
I think I'll start there. Thanks. Okay. So would you

3234
04:53:04,437 --> 04:53:10,116
like Director Cubit to comment on this? If possible, I

3235
04:53:10,116 --> 04:53:12,716
think the starting would be. Is there any idea of

3236
04:53:12,716 --> 04:53:17,471
what. Costing. We would need to get it to. I

3237
04:53:17,471 --> 04:53:23,673
guess beyond even. Shovel ready? Shovel ready would be. The

3238
04:53:23,673 --> 04:53:26,855
best start. And maybe for the rest of us if

3239
04:53:26,855 --> 04:53:31,330
you could start with what's planned for 26. Already. Okay.

3240
04:53:31,330 --> 04:53:35,684
Thank you. Thank you. Through you. The plan for 26.

3241
04:53:37,479 --> 04:53:39,479
In reference to 84 here on Tarot street, was to

3242
04:53:39,479 --> 04:53:44,538
invest funds. Into. Some engineering studies to see what it

3243
04:53:44,538 --> 04:53:46,978
is we are working with and what is happening below

3244
04:53:46,978 --> 04:53:50,778
grade. At that site and then also conduct some public

3245
04:53:50,778 --> 04:53:54,426
engagement. To see what the community feels should be done

3246
04:53:54,426 --> 04:53:57,546
with that space as an open space, as so directed

3247
04:53:57,546 --> 04:53:59,986
by council because there could be various different treatments and

3248
04:53:59,986 --> 04:54:06,788
various investments. I would hesitate to. Give an idea of

3249
04:54:06,788 --> 04:54:09,748
what that could look like or pricing without going back

3250
04:54:09,748 --> 04:54:12,228
to the team to get a sense, but I am

3251
04:54:12,228 --> 04:54:16,986
happy to return with some information if needed. Through you,

3252
04:54:16,986 --> 04:54:21,004
mayor ham. As a follow up. I think we can

3253
04:54:21,004 --> 04:54:26,279
probably all agree 25,000 won't go far. I wouldn't imagine

3254
04:54:26,279 --> 04:54:28,319
it would go far. I'd be shocked if it did.

3255
04:54:28,319 --> 04:54:31,079
And. I'm just looking at if we can get it

3256
04:54:31,079 --> 04:54:33,199
to a point of get it out. To the public

3257
04:54:33,199 --> 04:54:37,435
consultation and design and all that stuff. I just think

3258
04:54:37,435 --> 04:54:41,084
that as we see. The area has been quite activated.

3259
04:54:42,699 --> 04:54:46,869
Given with the winter festivities. And the weekend with the

3260
04:54:46,869 --> 04:54:49,309
menorah lighting and the large crowd that was there for

3261
04:54:49,309 --> 04:54:54,922
that. i think we're just running on such a Positive

3262
04:54:54,922 --> 04:54:58,082
note with that facility that while it's there, and it's

3263
04:54:58,082 --> 04:55:01,177
a low hanging fruit of the master plan. I would

3264
04:55:01,177 --> 04:55:03,097
hope that if we could. My next question would be

3265
04:55:03,097 --> 04:55:06,556
if we could get the funding. From the mat tax.

3266
04:55:06,556 --> 04:55:10,352
Would that be something that would qualify for that? Okay,

3267
04:55:10,352 --> 04:55:14,112
treasure. Graham, go ahead. Thank you, Mayor Hamlin. I'm happy

3268
04:55:14,112 --> 04:55:20,276
to comment on this. At this point, cancel has already

3269
04:55:20,276 --> 04:55:24,036
pre approved 215,000 from the MAT funding to go towards

3270
04:55:24,036 --> 04:55:28,625
the initiatives from the downtown master plan. And deterrismaster plan.

3271
04:55:30,153 --> 04:55:35,615
We could make that a priority in those initiatives. And

3272
04:55:35,615 --> 04:55:40,381
use that part of that 215,000. Yeah, I think that's

3273
04:55:40,381 --> 04:55:43,750
through you, Mayor Hamlin. Thanks, Jekard Graham. I think that

3274
04:55:43,750 --> 04:55:46,523
makes a lot of sense. So at this point, we

3275
04:55:46,523 --> 04:55:49,043
probably wouldn't even need to label a dollar amount. It

3276
04:55:49,043 --> 04:55:51,443
would just be that we would direct funds from there.

3277
04:55:51,443 --> 04:55:54,479
Okay, awesome. So I don't know, do we need to

3278
04:55:54,479 --> 04:55:56,639
do a recommendation on that, or is this. Just all

3279
04:55:56,639 --> 04:56:02,143
I think. Sounds like it's good. Okay. All right. Sorry.

3280
04:56:02,143 --> 04:56:09,631
Hold on. Okay, co skinner. Okay. I just wasn't clear.

3281
04:56:12,140 --> 04:56:16,665
Around. The funding intentions. I know council has asked directed.

3282
04:56:18,469 --> 04:56:21,749
That what is estimated to be 50% of the 2026

3283
04:56:21,749 --> 04:56:28,946
mat income, or about $250,000. Exactly $250,000. Be put into

3284
04:56:28,946 --> 04:56:33,384
the budget as a funding source for 2026. Right now.

3285
04:56:33,384 --> 04:56:38,400
It hasn't been allocated. It's just used to reduce. The

3286
04:56:38,400 --> 04:56:43,335
overall need for taxes or fees or other income. So

3287
04:56:43,335 --> 04:56:46,215
if, in fact, you wish to use some of that,

3288
04:56:46,215 --> 04:56:50,771
I think a vote would be warranted. If you. Wish

3289
04:56:50,771 --> 04:56:57,627
to. Allocate the money. To this item. Now, if you

3290
04:56:57,627 --> 04:57:02,467
wish to wait until 2026 is partway through and look

3291
04:57:02,467 --> 04:57:06,107
at what has actually come in, potentially after the initial

3292
04:57:06,107 --> 04:57:09,067
work is complete, then that might be a different. I

3293
04:57:09,067 --> 04:57:12,912
think if I can just help clarify. In the report

3294
04:57:12,912 --> 04:57:17,811
now, it says from draft two, The 390 from the

3295
04:57:17,811 --> 04:57:23,893
25 mat tax. 215,000 would go to implement downtown master

3296
04:57:23,893 --> 04:57:29,840
plan, and I think that was the thought. That. As

3297
04:57:29,840 --> 04:57:33,160
I assumed from the treasurer, we would give some priorities

3298
04:57:33,160 --> 04:57:37,520
within that spending to 84 year Ontario. Street, if that's

3299
04:57:37,520 --> 04:57:44,498
possible. Okay. Yeah. In addition to the 25,000 that's already

3300
04:57:44,498 --> 04:57:50,294
allocated in the budget. Yes. So, Karen. Sorry. Thank you.

3301
04:57:50,294 --> 04:57:53,934
Through the chair. Just for clarification, for the minuteing. Purposes.

3302
04:57:53,934 --> 04:57:56,134
I'm thinking a motion might be required because we want

3303
04:57:56,134 --> 04:57:59,889
to make sure. We're prioritizing what you want to be

3304
04:57:59,889 --> 04:58:03,585
included. In addition to that 25,000. So I'm thinking a

3305
04:58:03,585 --> 04:58:07,334
motion might be better to make sure it's clear. Otherwise.

3306
04:58:07,334 --> 04:58:10,934
I just don't want to the work not meet what

3307
04:58:10,934 --> 04:58:15,473
council's expectations were. Okay. And I think one other thing

3308
04:58:15,473 --> 04:58:22,092
that's on my mind as part of this is. what

3309
04:58:22,092 --> 04:58:27,652
the 215,000 has been allocated for just in case we

3310
04:58:27,652 --> 04:58:28,995
don't want to take away anything that's really important Maybe.

3311
04:58:28,995 --> 04:58:32,515
Anyway, does this make sense? Okay, so who can speak

3312
04:58:32,515 --> 04:58:38,593
to that? What? The 215,000? Was identified for some. Director

3313
04:58:38,593 --> 04:58:44,198
Valentine. Go ahead. Thank you, chair. And through you. The

3314
04:58:44,198 --> 04:58:49,438
215,000 was essentially a placeholder. The thought was, that should

3315
04:58:49,438 --> 04:58:55,398
counsel endorse a staff or consultant or a contract position

3316
04:58:55,398 --> 04:58:58,078
to drive forward the tourism master plan and the downtown

3317
04:58:58,078 --> 04:59:01,078
master plan, that that individual would come back to you.

3318
04:59:02,121 --> 04:59:05,441
With a fully costed and timed work plan for 2026

3319
04:59:05,441 --> 04:59:08,441
and beyond, similar to what we do with the affordable

3320
04:59:08,441 --> 04:59:11,800
housing master plan. So certainly a council's direction was to

3321
04:59:11,800 --> 04:59:14,920
prioritize 84 here on street as part of that work

3322
04:59:14,920 --> 04:59:18,897
plan. That could be communicated. To the staff person, the

3323
04:59:18,897 --> 04:59:22,017
consultant or other resource that council determines is appropriate to

3324
04:59:22,017 --> 04:59:24,817
drive forward those plans. Okay, that's clear. Do you want

3325
04:59:24,817 --> 04:59:28,322
to make a motion? Yeah. Just for clarification on that,

3326
04:59:28,322 --> 04:59:33,760
though. Again. I guess I'm looking at. Do we need

3327
04:59:33,760 --> 04:59:37,200
a staff or a consultant or a new staff resource

3328
04:59:37,200 --> 04:59:44,040
to drive? That implementation over the next year. I don't

3329
04:59:44,040 --> 04:59:50,388
know. If you understand what I mean, but. If we

3330
04:59:50,388 --> 04:59:53,868
allocate this money, boat is still on the hands of

3331
04:59:53,868 --> 04:59:56,188
having a resource or. A consultant stuff. It's just going

3332
04:59:56,188 --> 04:59:59,668
to drag into 27 and probably into 28 anyways. So

3333
04:59:59,668 --> 05:00:03,539
I'm just wondering if there's any chance. Basically, my motion

3334
05:00:03,539 --> 05:00:07,454
would be. Along the lines, with some help from the

3335
05:00:07,454 --> 05:00:12,147
clerk on some wording, would be that. We use funding

3336
05:00:12,147 --> 05:00:15,987
from the MAT to get the 84 here interior shovel

3337
05:00:15,987 --> 05:00:23,112
ready for 2027. That would include public consultation studies, environmental

3338
05:00:23,112 --> 05:00:25,712
studies services, all that kind of whatever goes with that.

3339
05:00:27,289 --> 05:00:29,849
I fear when I hear that we have to wait

3340
05:00:29,849 --> 05:00:32,449
for consultants or stopping because we'll be halfway through next

3341
05:00:32,449 --> 05:00:35,369
year before we even see anything, so in house would

3342
05:00:35,369 --> 05:00:41,046
be best. Thanks. Can I have a seconder for that

3343
05:00:41,046 --> 05:00:44,726
motion? Councilor Jeffrey and I know you're dying to say

3344
05:00:44,726 --> 05:00:49,295
something. Go ahead. This is one of those unique situations

3345
05:00:49,295 --> 05:00:50,695
where we got money and we don't know what. We're

3346
05:00:50,695 --> 05:00:54,563
going to do with it. My understanding from our conversation

3347
05:00:54,563 --> 05:00:58,883
last meeting was we recognized what staff had broken out

3348
05:00:58,883 --> 05:01:05,945
here for the 390 from 25 from 2025. Was.

3349
05:01:09,464 --> 05:01:13,584
Their 30,000 level look at the funds they need to

3350
05:01:13,584 --> 05:01:16,784
start to implement. And we knew that that would mean

3351
05:01:16,784 --> 05:01:18,904
that they would be probably coming back at some point

3352
05:01:18,904 --> 05:01:20,704
in time to us. And saying kind of. This is

3353
05:01:20,704 --> 05:01:23,824
the layout of it to me. If I remember correctly,

3354
05:01:23,824 --> 05:01:26,184
the downtown master plan. One of the low hanging fruit

3355
05:01:26,184 --> 05:01:29,024
was 84. I think it was one of the first.

3356
05:01:29,024 --> 05:01:32,124
Things. That. So to me, it would be something that.

3357
05:01:33,120 --> 05:01:36,040
Would be taken to that level that you're talking about

3358
05:01:36,040 --> 05:01:39,747
as quickly as possible. And may not need a resource

3359
05:01:39,747 --> 05:01:42,542
for that reason. Just go through to your studies and

3360
05:01:42,542 --> 05:01:46,395
things like that. So I'm very supportive of putting the

3361
05:01:46,395 --> 05:01:51,294
direction there so it's there. But. I did believe that

3362
05:01:51,294 --> 05:01:55,014
it was part of that 215,000 mayor Hamlin talked about.

3363
05:01:56,730 --> 05:01:58,410
Is to do that. And the money is there for

3364
05:01:58,410 --> 05:02:03,606
25. We decided not to allocate. The town or that

3365
05:02:03,606 --> 05:02:08,957
tourism kind of portion of the 26 amount. In what

3366
05:02:08,957 --> 05:02:14,901
we're doing right now. But that 25. The money is

3367
05:02:14,901 --> 05:02:19,393
there, as I said. And I'm happy to support. Given

3368
05:02:19,393 --> 05:02:21,913
that extra direction. If that's what staff want us to

3369
05:02:21,913 --> 05:02:26,912
do. Okay. Anyone else like. To comment on this. Bring

3370
05:02:26,912 --> 05:02:32,543
it. Two of all those in favor? Unanimous. Thank you.

3371
05:02:32,543 --> 05:02:39,220
Okay, next. Elsa. Dirty. Thank you. I am certainly not

3372
05:02:39,220 --> 05:02:47,537
the mathematician. As my colleague. Is to my left, however.

3373
05:02:49,033 --> 05:02:56,113
We have some funding that has come available. From the

3374
05:02:56,113 --> 05:03:06,014
sale of the Culbert. Property. That is 280,000. Dollars, so.

3375
05:03:08,443 --> 05:03:14,236
As a suggestion. I was going to propose that. That

3376
05:03:14,236 --> 05:03:22,564
be allocated to the affordable housing. Task force. Instead of.

3377
05:03:25,839 --> 05:03:30,965
And against the 400,000 that is currently. Been allocated to

3378
05:03:30,965 --> 05:03:37,820
that budget. So. If it's 400,000 -280. Which would be

3379
05:03:37,820 --> 05:03:45,583
coming from Culvert, would free up. $120,000. And out of

3380
05:03:45,583 --> 05:03:52,733
that. I was going to propose that we increase. The

3381
05:03:52,733 --> 05:03:59,389
contribution to the merf. And to the art center reserves.

3382
05:04:00,813 --> 05:04:07,558
Increase each by 50,000. So a total. Of $100,000, which

3383
05:04:07,558 --> 05:04:13,253
would leave. 20 out of that budget. For some other

3384
05:04:13,253 --> 05:04:20,955
purpose. Is that clear? As mud. Let me try and

3385
05:04:20,955 --> 05:04:28,405
paraphrase. That the $280,000, which is from the Culvert estate

3386
05:04:28,405 --> 05:04:33,491
and some bird street. Funding. Would go into the affordable

3387
05:04:33,491 --> 05:04:39,797
housing reserve. And since council wanted 400,000 in that reserve.

3388
05:04:41,927 --> 05:04:46,167
As a total amount if we put this 280 in,

3389
05:04:46,167 --> 05:04:49,127
because those funds should go to affordable housing. As our

3390
05:04:49,127 --> 05:04:54,832
staff report suggests, it means. We have 120 that we

3391
05:04:54,832 --> 05:04:58,752
could notionally take out of the affordable Housing Reserve fund

3392
05:04:58,752 --> 05:05:02,895
that we've put in in a previous meeting. And that

3393
05:05:02,895 --> 05:05:07,967
the 120 would then. Get split between the Merf reserve

3394
05:05:07,967 --> 05:05:10,007
fund and the r reserve fund. Okay, so that's. The

3395
05:05:10,007 --> 05:05:16,169
concept. Is there a seconder for this? Councilor Baines comments.

3396
05:05:16,169 --> 05:05:20,449
Go ahead. Thank you, Mayor Hamlin. So I really believe

3397
05:05:20,449 --> 05:05:27,547
that that commitment. From the Calberta state should not. Be

3398
05:05:27,547 --> 05:05:29,867
netted with our other commitments. I think it was always.

3399
05:05:31,084 --> 05:05:33,404
Intended that it would go there over and above what

3400
05:05:33,404 --> 05:05:38,144
we're doing. And I just don't think. We should. Be.

3401
05:05:39,466 --> 05:05:44,896
Watering it down. It's like it got washed out. And

3402
05:05:44,896 --> 05:05:46,496
I don't like that it was given to us for

3403
05:05:46,496 --> 05:05:49,776
a specific purpose. Over and above our other commitments, and

3404
05:05:49,776 --> 05:05:54,176
I think that it shouldn't be part of that $400,000.

3405
05:05:54,176 --> 05:05:58,738
Okay, who else would like to comment on this? Deputy

3406
05:05:58,738 --> 05:06:01,775
mayor. I'm going to have to get some clarity because

3407
05:06:01,775 --> 05:06:05,767
I feel that 280. Is freed up and not 120.

3408
05:06:05,767 --> 05:06:12,287
And maybe I'm just following this incorrectly. But. Right now

3409
05:06:12,287 --> 05:06:20,674
we have 400,000. As an impact on taxes. And part

3410
05:06:20,674 --> 05:06:25,199
of that is actually operational cost. Costs, and then whatever

3411
05:06:25,199 --> 05:06:26,839
the net is at the end of the day goes

3412
05:06:26,839 --> 05:06:30,818
into the reserve. So if we've got 400,000 in taxes

3413
05:06:30,818 --> 05:06:35,112
and we're going to put 280,000 against it. Then I

3414
05:06:35,112 --> 05:06:41,888
think you've got $280,000, not 120. To distribute. Us the

3415
05:06:41,888 --> 05:06:46,995
treasure. Is this hard question? Go ahead, treasure. Thank you.

3416
05:06:46,995 --> 05:06:50,066
Mary Hamlin, the deputy mayor, is correct. It would be

3417
05:06:50,066 --> 05:06:58,759
the 280,000 to allocate. yes I just wanted to add

3418
05:06:58,759 --> 05:07:05,702
as well. The 280 represents funds from two sources. It

3419
05:07:05,702 --> 05:07:12,195
is the culprit estate greatly appreciated. And the net. Of

3420
05:07:12,195 --> 05:07:16,111
what was left in the accounts. From the Birch street

3421
05:07:16,111 --> 05:07:20,271
housing, so the individual amounts are not yet available and.

3422
05:07:22,207 --> 05:07:26,545
There'll be some announcements. On the Culbert amount to come,

3423
05:07:26,545 --> 05:07:31,451
but that there is two sources in there. So that's

3424
05:07:31,451 --> 05:07:34,171
what I was going to touch on next, because I

3425
05:07:34,171 --> 05:07:37,771
knew it said social. Housing under 24 reserves that there

3426
05:07:37,771 --> 05:07:42,211
was 100,000. In that town. And I thought, that's what

3427
05:07:42,211 --> 05:07:45,691
I recollected as well as. The 280 was a combination

3428
05:07:45,691 --> 05:07:49,051
of that 180 roughly from Culvert and then the 100

3429
05:07:49,051 --> 05:07:52,971
from social that could both end up in affordable housing

3430
05:07:52,971 --> 05:07:57,211
because certainly both are applicable to affordable housing. But anyway.

3431
05:07:58,563 --> 05:08:01,003
I just wanted clarity on that. And then I'll listen

3432
05:08:01,003 --> 05:08:07,394
to everybody else and go from there. Councilor Paynes thank

3433
05:08:07,394 --> 05:08:11,034
you, Mayor Hamlin, through you, I think, to councilor Jeffrey

3434
05:08:11,034 --> 05:08:14,114
in regard to the potential top up or if you

3435
05:08:14,114 --> 05:08:20,231
will, assignment to the affordable housing fund. Would it not

3436
05:08:20,231 --> 05:08:27,338
be? Within the intent of the Culbert. Estate stipulations to

3437
05:08:27,338 --> 05:08:31,805
the town. Would it not favor what we're attempting to

3438
05:08:31,805 --> 05:08:36,111
do in affordable housing, do you think? As to the

3439
05:08:36,111 --> 05:08:42,736
beneficiaries wishes. Well, you should just comment, I think. That's

3440
05:08:42,736 --> 05:08:45,169
your comment? Anyway, go ahead. Do you want to say

3441
05:08:45,169 --> 05:08:49,217
it again? Sure, I'll say it again. Whatever the amount

3442
05:08:49,217 --> 05:08:54,113
is, understanding now that it's not 280. I think that

3443
05:08:54,113 --> 05:08:56,673
that amount should be committed over the top of what

3444
05:08:56,673 --> 05:08:58,553
we're doing. I don't think we should be netting it

3445
05:08:58,553 --> 05:09:02,193
out and watering it out. We were already committed. To

3446
05:09:02,193 --> 05:09:04,633
doing that. 400,000 a year, and I don't think we

3447
05:09:04,633 --> 05:09:07,473
should be washing. It out with money from other places.

3448
05:09:07,473 --> 05:09:10,433
I think we need to stay committed and add that

3449
05:09:10,433 --> 05:09:14,821
to the coffers. It has struck me that we're not

3450
05:09:14,821 --> 05:09:17,981
committed to 400. It's been suggested that we put 400

3451
05:09:17,981 --> 05:09:21,181
in this year. I think we've been putting in 300,

3452
05:09:21,181 --> 05:09:30,782
if memory serves. What was it, 350? Okay, 350. All

3453
05:09:30,782 --> 05:09:38,690
right. Okay, who else? Wants to speak to this. Okay,

3454
05:09:38,690 --> 05:09:40,290
bring it to a vote. So do you want to

3455
05:09:40,290 --> 05:09:42,770
divide this into a couple of things? Here or. Yeah,

3456
05:09:42,770 --> 05:09:52,444
go ahead. Can I just close before we call

3457
05:09:52,444 --> 05:09:57,208
it to the vote? The 280.

3458
05:10:02,768 --> 05:10:08,070
Was non tax. Related funding. So, in effect, what we're

3459
05:10:08,070 --> 05:10:13,470
doing is we're just reducing the taxation commitment to affordable

3460
05:10:13,470 --> 05:10:20,159
housing and allocating the funding elsewhere. As I said the

3461
05:10:20,159 --> 05:10:27,249
last time we discussed. Allocations to the reserve for the

3462
05:10:27,249 --> 05:10:32,809
Merf and for the art center at $50,000 commitment. We

3463
05:10:32,809 --> 05:10:37,669
will never get there. We need to make. A decent

3464
05:10:37,669 --> 05:10:46,940
commitment to reserves, to both of. These projects. Council. Has

3465
05:10:46,940 --> 05:10:55,131
already declined to support $150,000 per reserve. I'm suggesting. A

3466
05:10:55,131 --> 05:10:59,971
reduced amount to a 100,000, which is 50,000 more than

3467
05:10:59,971 --> 05:11:01,531
what was voted. On.

3468
05:11:13,842 --> 05:11:16,682
Okay, so the clerk has just asked if she could

3469
05:11:16,682 --> 05:11:23,901
have clarification on the motion. So perhaps I'll let you

3470
05:11:23,901 --> 05:11:28,138
ask the questions you have. Go ahead. Sorry. Certainly through,

3471
05:11:28,138 --> 05:11:36,796
you, worship. I started with. Council. Council, okay?

3472
05:11:40,059 --> 05:11:43,383
Sorry. I'll just confirm to you I was doing multiple

3473
05:11:43,383 --> 05:11:45,943
tasks here at the same time, so. The ask team

3474
05:11:45,943 --> 05:11:49,263
that was before the court for the Culbert estate indicated

3475
05:11:49,263 --> 05:11:58,133
that. The money would go to affordable housing initiatives. So.

3476
05:11:59,420 --> 05:12:01,060
That was clear with the intention. That's what it was

3477
05:12:01,060 --> 05:12:06,040
going to go towards. So right now. You're looking at

3478
05:12:06,040 --> 05:12:10,880
utilizing the combined amount of 280,000 from the culvert. Estate

3479
05:12:10,880 --> 05:12:15,798
in the birch street department to go towards. The 400,000

3480
05:12:15,798 --> 05:12:22,500
that council has allocated. Out of taxation revenue to affordable

3481
05:12:22,500 --> 05:12:26,380
housing task force. So I'm suggesting we reduce that taxation.

3482
05:12:26,380 --> 05:12:34,193
Commitment. Which would leave us with a balance. Of 120,000.

3483
05:12:35,838 --> 05:12:44,274
And I'm suggesting we split that. Between.

3484
05:12:46,040 --> 05:12:52,281
The multi use recreation facility. Reserves. And the art center

3485
05:12:52,281 --> 05:12:57,058
reserves. Sure? Yeah. We'll do them as two separate motions.

3486
05:12:57,058 --> 05:13:03,995
That's okay. All right. So the first part may be

3487
05:13:03,995 --> 05:13:06,757
Clark Thomas. You could just tell us what it would

3488
05:13:06,757 --> 05:13:11,054
be. Certainly. Thank you, you, worship. The council allocate the

3489
05:13:11,054 --> 05:13:15,014
combined 250,000 from the culvert. Estate and Birch street apartment.

3490
05:13:17,118 --> 05:13:21,511
Allocations to the affordable housing initiatives. Going towards the total

3491
05:13:21,511 --> 05:13:27,039
of the 400,000. For the affordable housing initiatives. Basically, we'll

3492
05:13:27,039 --> 05:13:29,199
deal with that one first and then we'll vote on

3493
05:13:29,199 --> 05:13:35,348
the splitting of that. Okay. All right. Councilor ring. Thank

3494
05:13:35,348 --> 05:13:44,327
you very much. So then. We've got. Is it 252

3495
05:13:44,327 --> 05:13:48,740
80? Okay, so we've got 280,000 this year between Murphy.

3496
05:13:48,740 --> 05:13:52,191
Yeah. Okay, because. The second most time you spoke about

3497
05:13:52,191 --> 05:13:57,282
it, you didn't specify. No. We wouldn't have 280. No,

3498
05:13:57,282 --> 05:14:06,132
140 for each one. Because the 280. Would be. Allocated

3499
05:14:06,132 --> 05:14:12,431
to. We have 400,000 in. Affordable housing right now, so

3500
05:14:12,431 --> 05:14:19,625
I'm suggesting. That's based on taxation. Let's reduce it. By

3501
05:14:19,625 --> 05:14:26,041
the 280,000 from Culbert and Birch. Which leaves us with

3502
05:14:26,041 --> 05:14:31,136
$120,000. You got 400, you put 280 and so you

3503
05:14:31,136 --> 05:14:33,736
take a 280 and you'll still have 400, so you

3504
05:14:33,736 --> 05:14:40,148
got 280,000 out. Councilor Dougherty. Maybe the treasurer could just

3505
05:14:40,148 --> 05:14:44,528
explain that. I think that you're not quite right. Okay,

3506
05:14:44,528 --> 05:14:50,447
treasure, go for it. Thank you. Pardon me. I'll try

3507
05:14:50,447 --> 05:14:53,207
and explain it. So 400,000 right now is what's been

3508
05:14:53,207 --> 05:14:56,607
allocated to the affordable housing reserve. The source of that

3509
05:14:56,607 --> 05:15:03,407
funding is taxation. With this motion, we'll be using 280,000

3510
05:15:03,407 --> 05:15:08,077
from other sources of funding. To still equal 400,000, so

3511
05:15:08,077 --> 05:15:12,157
we're only needing 120,000 raised by taxes. If we were

3512
05:15:12,157 --> 05:15:15,037
to maintain our current tax rate that's proposed in the

3513
05:15:15,037 --> 05:15:20,103
draft report. Which uses the full 400,000. We would therefore

3514
05:15:20,103 --> 05:15:24,383
then have 280,000 to allocate. Out to the two different

3515
05:15:24,383 --> 05:15:27,583
reserve funds. Should that be council direction? I hope that

3516
05:15:27,583 --> 05:15:36,792
helps explain. It. Would. Yeah. Okay. I am such a

3517
05:15:36,792 --> 05:15:40,192
numb skull when it comes to numbers, I'll tell you.

3518
05:15:41,318 --> 05:15:50,246
It's as the treasurer stated. Okay. That's a good decision.

3519
05:15:51,927 --> 05:15:55,215
So I just want to go back then, so. The

3520
05:15:55,215 --> 05:15:58,664
motion that we'll vote on. Is. I think you have

3521
05:15:58,664 --> 05:16:04,724
to tell us again. The council allocate 280,000 from the

3522
05:16:04,724 --> 05:16:08,124
Culvert State and Bert street apartments. To the affordable housing

3523
05:16:08,124 --> 05:16:13,244
initiatives, going against the total of $400,000, reducing the allocation

3524
05:16:13,244 --> 05:16:21,760
from taxation. Right. Okay. You'd like to speak.

3525
05:16:23,811 --> 05:16:26,611
I didn't get any clarity because the clerk's saying 280.

3526
05:16:28,285 --> 05:16:32,045
From Culvert and the way I understood it when the

3527
05:16:32,045 --> 05:16:36,966
CEO spoke about it is there's. 100, roughly in social

3528
05:16:36,966 --> 05:16:40,486
housing for Birch street in reserve at the end of

3529
05:16:40,486 --> 05:16:45,751
2024. So I'm just going to seek clarification. With the

3530
05:16:45,751 --> 05:16:55,435
clerk. Was the proceeds from Culvert. $280,000. Thank you. As

3531
05:16:55,435 --> 05:16:58,075
noted by the CAO, we're not disclosing the Culbert estate

3532
05:16:58,075 --> 05:17:01,604
amount, right? Now. We're doing a joint press release once

3533
05:17:01,604 --> 05:17:05,623
the money has been received. I totally can understand that.

3534
05:17:09,479 --> 05:17:13,739
And I will say, though, that. I'm looking at the

3535
05:17:13,739 --> 05:17:17,459
280 that we've been talked about as including the social

3536
05:17:17,459 --> 05:17:20,960
housing reserve too. I think our treasurer would just like

3537
05:17:20,960 --> 05:17:24,062
to have a work here. Okay, go ahead. To make

3538
05:17:24,062 --> 05:17:26,724
things. Thank you, madam mayor. Just to make things a

3539
05:17:26,724 --> 05:17:29,644
little bit more complicated, the deputy mayor is referring to

3540
05:17:29,644 --> 05:17:32,404
social housing in the reserve in 2024, and that's accurate.

3541
05:17:32,404 --> 05:17:36,604
There was about 97,000 added to it in 2023, and

3542
05:17:36,604 --> 05:17:38,684
that was from when the town took over from the

3543
05:17:38,684 --> 05:17:42,564
rotary, and they had a small capital reserve fund for

3544
05:17:42,564 --> 05:17:46,019
the Burt street apartments. We transferred that. Into. The affordable

3545
05:17:46,019 --> 05:17:51,374
housing reserve fund. This amount that's part of the 280,000

3546
05:17:51,374 --> 05:17:58,103
is a separate amount. We had a management service. Managed

3547
05:17:58,103 --> 05:18:00,463
first street apartments for us, and it was the amount

3548
05:18:00,463 --> 05:18:03,663
owing from rent that they had collected. Since they took

3549
05:18:03,663 --> 05:18:06,703
over from the rotary department. So it's separate from that

3550
05:18:06,703 --> 05:18:10,548
amount that's? Already showing in the reserve fund. It's additional

3551
05:18:10,548 --> 05:18:13,548
amount. I hope that helps provide some background. Yeah, thank

3552
05:18:13,548 --> 05:18:20,866
you for explaining that. The motion is about. Putting covert

3553
05:18:20,866 --> 05:18:28,670
into affordable housing. If I don't support that. Any funds

3554
05:18:28,670 --> 05:18:31,710
from culprit should be going into affordable housing anyway. As

3555
05:18:31,710 --> 05:18:38,016
a matter of our typical reserve allocation, right? Will it

3556
05:18:38,016 --> 05:18:40,696
be the same for the social housing amount we just

3557
05:18:40,696 --> 05:18:46,154
talked about? That sitting in for Birch Street. It just

3558
05:18:46,154 --> 05:18:53,470
would essentially move in. To affordable housing. I think that's

3559
05:18:53,470 --> 05:18:59,235
our. We'd have that. Sorry. We have the flexibility. Okay.

3560
05:19:01,767 --> 05:19:04,967
I'm not going to support the motion because I think

3561
05:19:04,967 --> 05:19:09,506
it will end up in there. Anyway. Okay. Thank you.

3562
05:19:10,998 --> 05:19:19,639
Okay. All in support of the motion. 234. Okay.

3563
05:19:21,867 --> 05:19:29,388
And there's a post. And that passes. Okay. And then

3564
05:19:29,388 --> 05:19:32,308
the second part of the motion was, we now have

3565
05:19:32,308 --> 05:19:39,816
280,000 that we didn't have before. And. What was your

3566
05:19:39,816 --> 05:19:43,176
recommendation, Councilor Dougherty? Did that be split to the break

3567
05:19:43,176 --> 05:19:48,445
facility and arts? Facility reserve funds. It's about twice as

3568
05:19:48,445 --> 05:19:52,205
much money sorry? It's about twice as much money as.

3569
05:19:52,205 --> 05:19:59,910
What I had estimated. But my proposal was to allocate

3570
05:19:59,910 --> 05:20:07,190
$100,000 in total, so $50,000 to the MERF and $50,000

3571
05:20:07,190 --> 05:20:12,350
to the art center, giving us a total of $100,000.

3572
05:20:17,524 --> 05:20:21,450
Allocated to each of those reserves. Okay, so secondary for

3573
05:20:21,450 --> 05:20:25,563
that. Councilor Baines. Okay. Do you want to speak first

3574
05:20:25,563 --> 05:20:30,272
or last? I will speak last.

3575
05:20:38,272 --> 05:20:42,422
Falls to me. If I originally proposed the 50,000. But

3576
05:20:42,422 --> 05:20:47,744
if council is of the opinion. again that This is

3577
05:20:47,744 --> 05:20:52,224
an appropriate allocation to make to keep the momentum going

3578
05:20:52,224 --> 05:20:53,904
for this, which is what I think it will do.

3579
05:20:55,556 --> 05:20:58,825
I would hope they would support this. I'm not going

3580
05:20:58,825 --> 05:21:00,705
to support it because I think it should be the

3581
05:21:00,705 --> 05:21:07,214
full amount. I honestly am of the view that if

3582
05:21:07,214 --> 05:21:10,694
we have these funds, we know our community wants a

3583
05:21:10,694 --> 05:21:13,774
recreation complex we know our community would like in our

3584
05:21:13,774 --> 05:21:19,282
complex, and I realize. Those. Aren't always the same people,

3585
05:21:19,282 --> 05:21:23,237
but sometimes they are. And if we don't start putting

3586
05:21:23,237 --> 05:21:27,558
money into this, we'll never get there. So I'm not

3587
05:21:27,558 --> 05:21:29,678
going to support this, but when we're finished, if it

3588
05:21:29,678 --> 05:21:33,598
doesn't. Pass, I'll be suggesting 140. Go to each of

3589
05:21:33,598 --> 05:21:38,729
those two reserve funds, okay? Any other comments?

3590
05:21:43,705 --> 05:21:48,319
Councilor rain just. To. I'm not going to support it

3591
05:21:48,319 --> 05:21:51,706
for that reason. If we've got the money. To put

3592
05:21:51,706 --> 05:21:54,506
in those two reserves, I would put the whole amount.

3593
05:21:54,506 --> 05:21:56,506
So I'll be the same way. I won't support it,

3594
05:21:56,506 --> 05:22:00,860
hopefully. We can have another motion to put it. 140

3595
05:22:00,860 --> 05:22:04,839
in each one. And with a 50 that we're already

3596
05:22:04,839 --> 05:22:10,413
there, we'd get. 190. Each because. I think the draft

3597
05:22:10,413 --> 05:22:14,249
budget two has 50 in there. Okay, let's bring this

3598
05:22:14,249 --> 05:22:17,849
to a vote. All in favor? Sorry. Oh, yeah, sorry.

3599
05:22:17,849 --> 05:22:27,476
Thank you. So. I was trying to be conservative. Because

3600
05:22:27,476 --> 05:22:31,530
of the original vote. However, if it was the will

3601
05:22:31,530 --> 05:22:34,530
of counsel to split it and put it in each

3602
05:22:34,530 --> 05:22:39,282
of those reserves. Then I would happily withdraw my motion.

3603
05:22:40,461 --> 05:22:46,843
You could amend it. And move that instead. Okay. How

3604
05:22:46,843 --> 05:22:51,990
does the secondary feel? Okay. Comments on this deputy mayor.

3605
05:22:55,186 --> 05:22:58,706
So we have money going into affordable housing that was

3606
05:22:58,706 --> 05:23:01,546
going to go into affordable housing anyway, and now we're

3607
05:23:01,546 --> 05:23:06,968
going to turn around and use it to fund. Recreation

3608
05:23:06,968 --> 05:23:11,640
facility and art centers. So I can't accept that. What

3609
05:23:11,640 --> 05:23:15,892
I was going to be proposing. If this was defeated

3610
05:23:15,892 --> 05:23:19,012
because I wasn't going to support it was consideration of

3611
05:23:19,012 --> 05:23:22,981
the Mat. For 2026. Because I look at that as

3612
05:23:22,981 --> 05:23:27,381
more appropriate for Murphy, for an art center, because of

3613
05:23:27,381 --> 05:23:31,484
the tourist. Based part of it, but. I can't support

3614
05:23:31,484 --> 05:23:33,444
money that was going into affordable housing in the first

3615
05:23:33,444 --> 05:23:35,884
place, and then saying, oh, that gives us money to

3616
05:23:35,884 --> 05:23:40,507
give to something else that I won't be supporting. I

3617
05:23:40,507 --> 05:23:42,627
think our challenge is we all want more money to

3618
05:23:42,627 --> 05:23:46,307
go into these two projects on the horizon and where

3619
05:23:46,307 --> 05:23:52,283
the pot should. Where the pot should come from. In

3620
05:23:52,283 --> 05:23:56,157
this situation is the question. And just to remind you,

3621
05:23:57,555 --> 05:24:01,563
Our opportunities for funding. In addition to the 280 we're

3622
05:24:01,563 --> 05:24:06,335
talking about is we have our investment income. That was

3623
05:24:06,335 --> 05:24:12,975
unexpected. And the treasure suggested between 510,680 thousand could be

3624
05:24:12,975 --> 05:24:21,003
available. So I guess that's the main amount. Is that

3625
05:24:21,003 --> 05:24:24,243
right, treasure that I'm thinking of. Funds we could still

3626
05:24:24,243 --> 05:24:30,540
allocate. Three. Mayor to the mayor. There is the investment

3627
05:24:30,540 --> 05:24:34,860
income, and then there's also the 250,000 from the 2026

3628
05:24:34,860 --> 05:24:37,980
Matt funding so in the staff report, that amount was

3629
05:24:37,980 --> 05:24:42,668
used. To reduce the tax rate. However, council may wish

3630
05:24:42,668 --> 05:24:47,468
to allocate that differently because there's that potential as well.

3631
05:24:47,468 --> 05:24:50,508
But if we allocated that differently, the taxes would go

3632
05:24:50,508 --> 05:24:59,477
up, correct? Right? Okay. All right. Yeah. Go ahead.

3633
05:25:00,512 --> 05:25:04,312
We have a $250,000 amount that we hadn't decided how

3634
05:25:04,312 --> 05:25:08,101
we were going. To allocate it. That part was supposed

3635
05:25:08,101 --> 05:25:11,741
to go again. Operational tax site. What I was talking

3636
05:25:11,741 --> 05:25:16,460
about when I talked. About the murphy. In the art

3637
05:25:16,460 --> 05:25:20,540
center reserve. That's not operational taxes, so I would be

3638
05:25:20,540 --> 05:25:27,096
looking. To get even more complicated. I was going to

3639
05:25:27,096 --> 05:25:31,216
be putting on the table a motion to reduce the

3640
05:25:31,216 --> 05:25:35,536
amount of the entity. From 60% back to 50%. Based

3641
05:25:35,536 --> 05:25:38,376
on all of our conversations, I think it's. An appropriate

3642
05:25:38,376 --> 05:25:44,546
move to do. And look at 26 allocation. And possibly

3643
05:25:44,546 --> 05:25:50,127
look for a funding source for the merf. And our

3644
05:25:50,127 --> 05:25:54,367
center reserve. So I'm just being clear about my intention.

3645
05:25:54,367 --> 05:25:57,629
But as I said, I can't support. The motion as

3646
05:25:57,629 --> 05:26:01,477
it is right now. Would it be useful at this

3647
05:26:01,477 --> 05:26:07,487
stage to look through? Because if we assume we have

3648
05:26:07,487 --> 05:26:10,927
up to about 700,000, we could allocate what if we

3649
05:26:10,927 --> 05:26:13,847
were to look at the things that still haven't been

3650
05:26:13,847 --> 05:26:16,927
funded in the staff. Report and see what that adds

3651
05:26:16,927 --> 05:26:21,229
up to, and then. See where we're at. So I

3652
05:26:21,229 --> 05:26:25,780
think what I have here. I'll start with. There was

3653
05:26:25,780 --> 05:26:30,642
moving staff to P 55, which was 166,000. Then there

3654
05:26:30,642 --> 05:26:32,482
was the capital S. I'm not saying we have to

3655
05:26:32,482 --> 05:26:35,592
necessarily vote for all these things, but. What is the

3656
05:26:35,592 --> 05:26:39,352
whole list? Okay, capital asset manager position. We would fund

3657
05:26:39,352 --> 05:26:43,766
half of that at 80. Just from the staff report.

3658
05:26:43,766 --> 05:26:49,417
That's with the budget today. Page three.

3659
05:26:55,398 --> 05:27:05,060
Yeah. Page three. Yeah, it's everything that's in here. Okay.

3660
05:27:06,836 --> 05:27:09,876
There's a question about additional insurance that I believe councilor

3661
05:27:09,876 --> 05:27:16,367
Baines is going to make a motion on later. I'll

3662
05:27:16,367 --> 05:27:20,927
put that to one side. The ccat request comes out

3663
05:27:20,927 --> 05:27:23,296
of reserves. I don't have to worry if we want

3664
05:27:23,296 --> 05:27:27,016
or we can take it out of taxes. But that's

3665
05:27:27,016 --> 05:27:30,692
40. I'll put it to one side. There's the question

3666
05:27:30,692 --> 05:27:35,972
of the irrigation from rugby, but that seems that could

3667
05:27:35,972 --> 05:27:40,093
come out from development charges. If I read that correctly.

3668
05:27:41,423 --> 05:27:49,449
But we can check that. Accelerator request.

3669
05:27:54,720 --> 05:27:59,692
Which. I can't even remember how much it was. Was

3670
05:27:59,692 --> 05:28:03,372
it 131 30? I'll just. Put it in, for human's

3671
05:28:03,372 --> 05:28:10,358
sake. Okay. Accelerator. Capital asset. B 55 and then there

3672
05:28:10,358 --> 05:28:15,944
was topping up. The HR person from seasonal to full

3673
05:28:15,944 --> 05:28:25,895
time, that was 54,000. I hate charm. And let's

3674
05:28:25,895 --> 05:28:31,870
just throw another one in. Councilor Baines, when you bring

3675
05:28:31,870 --> 05:28:33,990
your motion, how much were you going to. Just going

3676
05:28:33,990 --> 05:28:41,423
to. Put everything in here. 14. Okay, I'll put in

3677
05:28:41,423 --> 05:28:45,183
14 for big numbers. Okay. And we haven't dealt with.

3678
05:28:45,183 --> 05:28:46,703
The cheerlifts, and I think that'll be a bit of

3679
05:28:46,703 --> 05:28:52,170
a discussion based on. The staff reports, okay? So let's

3680
05:28:52,170 --> 05:28:53,610
just add up. These few things here.

3681
05:29:05,980 --> 05:29:11,644
Maybe I need the treasure. 166 plus. 80 plus 130.

3682
05:29:13,071 --> 05:29:22,965
Plus 54. Yeah. 54 plus 14 equals 444. That

3683
05:29:22,965 --> 05:29:25,285
sounded about right. And so I took into account p

3684
05:29:25,285 --> 05:29:33,430
55 the capital manager. An accelerator position. Hr to full

3685
05:29:33,430 --> 05:29:38,982
time. And the insurance. That was four. Four, four. And

3686
05:29:38,982 --> 05:29:44,353
so what we haven't taken into account. Is uneas to

3687
05:29:44,353 --> 05:29:48,710
the asset or management reserve or. Monies that we want

3688
05:29:48,710 --> 05:29:55,134
to put more into that. Or funding. For our Merf

3689
05:29:55,134 --> 05:29:59,294
and art center. So if we said 680 was the

3690
05:29:59,294 --> 05:30:02,534
maximum, we're going to take from the investment income. And

3691
05:30:02,534 --> 05:30:07,707
we use four. Four, four. That is seven, three. We

3692
05:30:07,707 --> 05:30:13,366
still have 236,000 that could be allocated to VMURF. And

3693
05:30:13,366 --> 05:30:16,126
what center? Does any of that make sense to anybody?

3694
05:30:17,596 --> 05:30:20,829
With all that? Yeah. Let me just check with the

3695
05:30:20,829 --> 05:30:24,625
treasure before I get to you depth. Treasure. Have I

3696
05:30:24,625 --> 05:30:28,137
sort of covered most things here? I'm just trying to.

3697
05:30:32,470 --> 05:30:35,590
Add up it as well. So the P 55 at

3698
05:30:35,590 --> 05:30:44,679
166 the asset management manager 80,000. Hr at 54,000. Were

3699
05:30:44,679 --> 05:30:52,001
the additional. Resource requests that haven't been included. So that

3700
05:30:52,001 --> 05:30:55,521
is a total of 300,000, and then I have 14,000.

3701
05:30:57,112 --> 05:30:58,832
Because councilor Baines is going to bring a motion about

3702
05:30:58,832 --> 05:31:03,932
insurance. And I put in the 130 for the accelerator.

3703
05:31:05,475 --> 05:31:14,228
Yes, that is 444,000. okay and then if we were

3704
05:31:14,228 --> 05:31:19,368
using the 680 as the unexpected income At 680. Take

3705
05:31:19,368 --> 05:31:21,728
off. Four, four, four. We're left with 236. And if

3706
05:31:21,728 --> 05:31:25,408
we divided that by two. We'd have one, one, eight.

3707
05:31:26,732 --> 05:31:30,532
Each, and we already have 50, so we'd have 168

3708
05:31:30,532 --> 05:31:32,532
going into the reserve funds for. Each of those for

3709
05:31:32,532 --> 05:31:36,073
this year. So that's where my brain is going on

3710
05:31:36,073 --> 05:31:39,143
all of this. And maybe we could work through these

3711
05:31:39,143 --> 05:31:41,823
and decide if these are things that council wants. Deputy

3712
05:31:41,823 --> 05:31:50,485
mayor. Regarding. The investment income. I'm following the direction of

3713
05:31:50,485 --> 05:31:53,525
staff. When they gave us the estimate for surplus at

3714
05:31:53,525 --> 05:31:57,963
the end of the year 3813, which includes. The investment

3715
05:31:57,963 --> 05:32:02,506
income. And I can't accept the idea of putting it

3716
05:32:02,506 --> 05:32:07,106
against operating costs going forward because that's only one year.

3717
05:32:07,106 --> 05:32:10,346
All those things we just outlined carry over into 27,

3718
05:32:10,346 --> 05:32:12,586
too. So you're looking at a point, percent and a

3719
05:32:12,586 --> 05:32:15,026
half that you're putting on to the taxes in 27.

3720
05:32:17,191 --> 05:32:21,808
With that methodology. I do intend on coming back again

3721
05:32:21,808 --> 05:32:25,881
to talk about. The amount of capital levy, and that's.

3722
05:32:27,422 --> 05:32:31,742
Where I'll be utilizing the investment income outcome for 25,

3723
05:32:31,742 --> 05:32:36,302
which, as I said, led to the surplus of 813,000.

3724
05:32:36,302 --> 05:32:41,700
That is estimated by. The treasury. So I just like

3725
05:32:41,700 --> 05:32:45,660
to clarify with the treasure, because you're using a number

3726
05:32:45,660 --> 05:32:53,428
of. Deputy mayor with sent upper 818. Yeah, from the

3727
05:32:53,428 --> 05:32:57,588
report, the estimate is $813,000 surplus at the end. 25

3728
05:32:57,588 --> 05:33:02,878
and that includes. The investment income. Oh, I see. The

3729
05:33:02,878 --> 05:33:10,386
total surplus. Right. Okay, I got it. Okay. Comments on

3730
05:33:10,386 --> 05:33:18,319
any of this. Or motions. Yeah. Thanks, Brian. Harold, you

3731
05:33:18,319 --> 05:33:20,399
referenced in here, as you're going through the list about

3732
05:33:20,399 --> 05:33:25,479
the capital. Manager stopping request just for clarification, do we

3733
05:33:25,479 --> 05:33:28,399
not exclude that or are you just talking? About potentially

3734
05:33:28,399 --> 05:33:37,194
including that. We haven't included it yet, okay. I wasn't

3735
05:33:37,194 --> 05:33:39,434
sure if you were, if you were speaking to it

3736
05:33:39,434 --> 05:33:43,962
already being included, because it wasn't included, okay? And I

3737
05:33:43,962 --> 05:33:47,442
think there was a memo attached to the staff report

3738
05:33:47,442 --> 05:33:50,922
today for today's meeting. About what that person's job would

3739
05:33:50,922 --> 05:33:55,215
be. Yeah. Okay. Maybe it's a good time to ask

3740
05:33:55,215 --> 05:34:00,766
councilor Baines to bring his motion on. Insurance. Also recommend

3741
05:34:00,766 --> 05:34:06,206
including an additional 13,200 to our annual insurance premium as

3742
05:34:06,206 --> 05:34:12,386
per the confidential email received from staff. The clerks reminded

3743
05:34:12,386 --> 05:34:14,626
me there's another motion on the floor which I've lost

3744
05:34:14,626 --> 05:34:21,514
track. Of castle door cut off. Right. Okay. Sorry. All

3745
05:34:21,514 --> 05:34:25,545
right. Sorry. We'll come back to you. Councilor Baines. So

3746
05:34:25,545 --> 05:34:28,825
sorry that I got way laid here. So could you.

3747
05:34:28,825 --> 05:34:35,487
Just because you spoke about perhaps. Changing your motion. And

3748
05:34:35,487 --> 05:34:42,841
I think that's where we got lost. Right. Okay. That's

3749
05:34:42,841 --> 05:34:46,235
right. Based on the math that we've just discussed here,

3750
05:34:46,235 --> 05:34:52,533
I'm not sure. We got. 283 at this point in

3751
05:34:52,533 --> 05:34:56,698
time, So draw the motion for now. So are you

3752
05:34:56,698 --> 05:34:59,818
withdrawing your original motion and putting a second one? Okay.

3753
05:35:01,690 --> 05:35:03,290
It's another one right now. Do you want to put

3754
05:35:03,290 --> 05:35:08,531
the other one on now? Yes. So. I would like

3755
05:35:08,531 --> 05:35:16,879
to. Increase the contribution to the merf. And arts reserves.

3756
05:35:18,508 --> 05:35:24,411
By 100,000 each. Bringing it back to the original. Recommended

3757
05:35:24,411 --> 05:35:30,635
amount of 150,000. Per. Reserve.

3758
05:35:37,117 --> 05:35:42,488
Okay, and there's seconder for that. Okay. Councilor baines. Councilor

3759
05:35:42,488 --> 05:35:50,192
mccullough. This may be procedurally backwards. sorry But I find.

3760
05:35:51,830 --> 05:35:53,950
We have kind of a moving shell game with amounts

3761
05:35:53,950 --> 05:35:56,750
that are available versus amounts that need to be spent,

3762
05:35:56,750 --> 05:35:58,350
and I don't think we've accounted for all the amounts

3763
05:35:58,350 --> 05:36:01,430
that are available and determined which direction they should be

3764
05:36:01,430 --> 05:36:04,870
going. So I'm not entirely comfortable voting on an amount

3765
05:36:04,870 --> 05:36:07,990
for this given. I'm not comfortable with the total amount

3766
05:36:07,990 --> 05:36:14,967
available. Right. Yeah. I'm not sure what else to do

3767
05:36:14,967 --> 05:36:20,340
with this now. I'm going to ask the clerk to

3768
05:36:20,340 --> 05:36:24,779
just explain her thought on this. Certainly through your worship.

3769
05:36:24,779 --> 05:36:29,011
I was wondering if Councilor Dougherty. If the other items

3770
05:36:29,011 --> 05:36:32,011
were voted on and having the understanding of how much

3771
05:36:32,011 --> 05:36:37,473
is left in the pot. Makes sense. And then bring

3772
05:36:37,473 --> 05:36:40,753
the final motion with whether it should be 100,000 each

3773
05:36:40,753 --> 05:36:45,644
or whether it's 80,000 each or 110,000 each. If we

3774
05:36:45,644 --> 05:36:49,554
do that. Mind you, I'm still cognizant that if there's

3775
05:36:49,554 --> 05:36:51,394
no money left, at the end, then we may not.

3776
05:36:52,899 --> 05:36:56,814
Get anything added, so I don't know. If our treasure

3777
05:36:56,814 --> 05:37:01,640
has a running balance. Of the money that's available. And

3778
05:37:01,640 --> 05:37:03,920
clerk, could you put up the motion we just passed?

3779
05:37:06,620 --> 05:37:08,780
That councilor Dougherty brought.

3780
05:37:47,778 --> 05:37:51,418
Just feeling. Plus, she's pulling it up. I know. Staff

3781
05:37:51,418 --> 05:37:54,698
started working last spring, going through. Line by line in

3782
05:37:54,698 --> 05:38:01,490
their budget and cutting out everything that was extraneous. So

3783
05:38:01,490 --> 05:38:04,090
that we could come to a good number when we're

3784
05:38:04,090 --> 05:38:07,607
sitting here. And also with this extra funding that's come.

3785
05:38:09,539 --> 05:38:12,716
In from different places for different reasons. I just had

3786
05:38:12,716 --> 05:38:15,596
a feeling. We can make all this happen if we

3787
05:38:15,596 --> 05:38:20,873
figure it out properly, okay? All right, so. We've said.

3788
05:38:22,406 --> 05:38:23,886
Of the month. So I just want to start with

3789
05:38:23,886 --> 05:38:31,218
this, because this motion then says, We have $280,000 that

3790
05:38:31,218 --> 05:38:35,481
we didn't have before. To spend. Is this right, treasure?

3791
05:38:36,968 --> 05:38:41,168
It's money that when we did draft one and draft

3792
05:38:41,168 --> 05:38:48,517
two, we didn't know. The amount that was going. To

3793
05:38:48,517 --> 05:38:52,943
be allocated to the affordable housing. I just want to

3794
05:38:52,943 --> 05:38:57,223
be careful because as we mentioned, the estate funding should

3795
05:38:57,223 --> 05:39:00,503
be. Is required to. Be going to the affordable housing.

3796
05:39:02,648 --> 05:39:04,968
The other amount, I think there's a little bit more

3797
05:39:04,968 --> 05:39:11,961
discretion. So it's not so much that. It's additional funding.

3798
05:39:11,961 --> 05:39:17,649
It's just reallocating. From what I've been following, reallocating the

3799
05:39:17,649 --> 05:39:25,359
tax impact to contribution to reserves overall. So we're reducing

3800
05:39:25,359 --> 05:39:28,799
the 400,000 to affordable housing that's coming from tax. We're

3801
05:39:28,799 --> 05:39:35,466
still keeping 400,000, but utilizing this 280. So it's just

3802
05:39:35,466 --> 05:39:40,285
nuanced on what we want to refer to. But it

3803
05:39:40,285 --> 05:39:43,765
does mean for the numbers you've produced in budget number

3804
05:39:43,765 --> 05:39:51,643
two. That there's additional funding available. Is that right? It

3805
05:39:51,643 --> 05:39:55,483
does mean that if council were to maintain the tax

3806
05:39:55,483 --> 05:39:59,363
rate that was presented, in staff report number two. Absolutely.

3807
05:39:59,363 --> 05:40:05,721
It means that 280,000 could be redistributed. The tax 280,000

3808
05:40:05,721 --> 05:40:08,801
could be redistributed as we didn't need. To raise the

3809
05:40:08,801 --> 05:40:13,201
full 400,000 from taxes to still maintain the 400,000 affordable

3810
05:40:13,201 --> 05:40:17,401
housing initiative contribution. Thank you. All right. And then there's

3811
05:40:17,401 --> 05:40:19,121
just to go over where all the funds are coming

3812
05:40:19,121 --> 05:40:23,201
from. Then there's the surplus from last year, which is

3813
05:40:23,201 --> 05:40:28,205
eight. Hundred and 13,000. The treasurer suggested we spend up

3814
05:40:28,205 --> 05:40:32,005
to 680 of that and the balance be put into

3815
05:40:32,005 --> 05:40:38,884
assets management. Am I correctly summarizing that? Trevor Graham yeah.

3816
05:40:38,884 --> 05:40:41,244
So I do want to caution when we do our

3817
05:40:41,244 --> 05:40:44,524
quarter three forecasting. It's our best estimate at the time

3818
05:40:44,524 --> 05:40:47,524
with the information. That we have. When we're anticipating what

3819
05:40:47,524 --> 05:40:51,958
the surplus will be, I have no doubt. In my

3820
05:40:51,958 --> 05:40:54,918
mind that we will still be in a surplus position,

3821
05:40:54,918 --> 05:41:02,322
okay? This additional investment income was a result. Of income

3822
05:41:02,322 --> 05:41:06,082
that was not budgeted in 2025. We saw the PPNS

3823
05:41:06,082 --> 05:41:10,796
early. So while it does contribute to the surplus, It

3824
05:41:10,796 --> 05:41:15,196
is sort of an opportunity for council to direct staff

3825
05:41:15,196 --> 05:41:18,678
otherwise. It would go majority into the lifecycle reserve. So

3826
05:41:18,678 --> 05:41:24,130
it's just an opportunity to cancel. Wish to direct staff

3827
05:41:24,130 --> 05:41:28,616
to use it in a different manner. Okay. So that's

3828
05:41:28,616 --> 05:41:36,599
680. And so. That is. 960. All right.

3829
05:41:40,994 --> 05:41:45,866
Councilor McCullough thank you, Mayor Hamlin. Just to clarify, There

3830
05:41:45,866 --> 05:41:48,706
was mention of the Mat for 2026 thrown out at

3831
05:41:48,706 --> 05:41:53,826
some point, which was the unallocated $250,000 portion of the

3832
05:41:53,826 --> 05:41:57,586
town's mat. I think it's allocated or did I see?

3833
05:41:57,586 --> 05:42:01,866
250 is allocated and 250 isn't. Isn't? Yes, that's. It.

3834
05:42:01,866 --> 05:42:03,386
So I just want to know if that's in the

3835
05:42:03,386 --> 05:42:07,055
pot or in this discussion, or is it? Off. The

3836
05:42:07,055 --> 05:42:08,415
table. I think it's off the table. I would suggest

3837
05:42:08,415 --> 05:42:10,495
unless someone puts it on. But it would be good

3838
05:42:10,495 --> 05:42:12,975
to see where we are next year. I would say,

3839
05:42:12,975 --> 05:42:19,813
with how much we collect. Today. Just clarify. Treasure Gwen.

3840
05:42:21,589 --> 05:42:24,069
I just want to clarify on that so we all

3841
05:42:24,069 --> 05:42:28,752
have the same information. The 2025 390,000 has been fully

3842
05:42:28,752 --> 05:42:35,269
allocated in the budget. The 250,000. Has not been allocated.

3843
05:42:35,269 --> 05:42:39,269
However, the tax rate that was proposed, and staff, too,

3844
05:42:39,269 --> 05:42:47,820
did incorporate that $250,000. Reducing the tax rate. So, in

3845
05:42:47,820 --> 05:42:55,890
a way. It has been allocated. Maybe prematurely. I could

3846
05:42:55,890 --> 05:42:57,810
back that out and let you know what the tax

3847
05:42:57,810 --> 05:43:01,801
rate would have been. Had that not been. Okay, so

3848
05:43:01,801 --> 05:43:04,041
let me just clarify to make sure I understand it.

3849
05:43:05,894 --> 05:43:11,406
So we have thought for 2026, Conservatively, the town's portion

3850
05:43:11,406 --> 05:43:16,732
of the mat would be 500,000. And of that, 500,000

3851
05:43:16,732 --> 05:43:22,549
for 26. 250 has been used to reduce the tax

3852
05:43:22,549 --> 05:43:28,959
rate. Has any other portion been used? No, it was

3853
05:43:28,959 --> 05:43:32,319
through you, mayor. Note canceled direction was to only allocate

3854
05:43:32,319 --> 05:43:37,876
50% to be conservative. Because we don't know for sure.

3855
05:43:37,876 --> 05:43:42,873
And I also did just. Want to also bring up,

3856
05:43:42,873 --> 05:43:45,553
because we are approving that staff member or council so

3857
05:43:45,553 --> 05:43:48,713
far as approving the staff member fully being funded by

3858
05:43:48,713 --> 05:43:51,353
Matt. That would have to also be deducted. From the

3859
05:43:51,353 --> 05:43:55,407
2026 allocation because it's an ongoing. Staffing event, so we'll

3860
05:43:55,407 --> 05:44:00,211
have to be funded through the 2026. So right now,

3861
05:44:00,211 --> 05:44:04,451
the 250, which is the conservative half, is reducing our

3862
05:44:04,451 --> 05:44:11,164
tax rate for next year. Okay. Deppy mayor. Okay, so

3863
05:44:11,164 --> 05:44:17,424
just to clarify, There was nothing for affordable housing. And

3864
05:44:17,424 --> 05:44:20,143
tax estimate that we got at the beginning. We decided

3865
05:44:20,143 --> 05:44:24,154
to put 400,000 in, which is almost no. There was.

3866
05:44:24,154 --> 05:44:28,230
There was nothing. It was in the option site. Everything

3867
05:44:28,230 --> 05:44:32,971
had been moved over to the options site. Okay, I'll

3868
05:44:32,971 --> 05:44:35,811
go through you and just clarify that with Treasurer Graham.

3869
05:44:35,811 --> 05:44:41,371
But the full $350,000. Had moved in the base number

3870
05:44:41,371 --> 05:44:45,919
that. Was the 2.75? At the beginning, I think there

3871
05:44:45,919 --> 05:44:49,918
was 200, but we'll ask. The treasure. Go ahead. It's

3872
05:44:49,918 --> 05:44:52,558
a bit of a tricky, but yes. The 350 was

3873
05:44:52,558 --> 05:44:56,711
removed from the base. We still have in the base

3874
05:44:56,711 --> 05:45:02,111
155,000 towards affordable housing, and that's for staffing. And staffing

3875
05:45:02,111 --> 05:45:06,511
costs and some initiatives. We also have 230,000 in the

3876
05:45:06,511 --> 05:45:11,986
base budget. For social housing. As well, but the 400,000

3877
05:45:11,986 --> 05:45:15,866
was not included in the base budget in the 2.75

3878
05:45:15,866 --> 05:45:18,466
it is included in the budget now for draft two.

3879
05:45:20,300 --> 05:45:23,380
So decision, the council was to move that back into

3880
05:45:23,380 --> 05:45:28,830
the base budget. And I supported that. Now we're saying

3881
05:45:28,830 --> 05:45:32,350
because we had affordable housing reserve increases that were going

3882
05:45:32,350 --> 05:45:37,179
to happen. Because of the agreements we have in regards

3883
05:45:37,179 --> 05:45:39,659
to culvert, and I do believe in regards to birch

3884
05:45:39,659 --> 05:45:43,520
street as well. The agreement with Johnson was that. That

3885
05:45:43,520 --> 05:45:45,880
was for social housing, and if it was a carryover

3886
05:45:45,880 --> 05:45:48,440
of reserve that was there when we took over from

3887
05:45:48,440 --> 05:45:52,480
rotary. Appropriately, it should stay into the affordable housing reserve.

3888
05:45:53,744 --> 05:45:57,184
I'm not going to support taking the fact that we're

3889
05:45:57,184 --> 05:46:04,094
putting $280,000. Into reserve through two obligations. We had to

3890
05:46:04,094 --> 05:46:07,094
turn around then and say, okay, well, that frees up

3891
05:46:07,094 --> 05:46:10,414
$280,000 of what we were putting in for the affordable

3892
05:46:10,414 --> 05:46:15,446
housing reserve amount. And that's per the request of the

3893
05:46:15,446 --> 05:46:19,446
affordable housing task force, again, because that means you're looking

3894
05:46:19,446 --> 05:46:23,606
at a three quarter percent impact in 27. If you're

3895
05:46:23,606 --> 05:46:28,327
going to maintain the 400 right off the bat. So

3896
05:46:28,327 --> 05:46:32,609
when I talked about the mat, it was because. I

3897
05:46:32,609 --> 05:46:35,449
do believe there's an appetite to try to find some

3898
05:46:35,449 --> 05:46:39,278
more funds towards. The reserve for art center and for

3899
05:46:39,278 --> 05:46:42,998
Merf. I think there's an opportunity with that. Unallocated portion.

3900
05:46:44,254 --> 05:46:47,254
That we talked about for 26, but I'll get into

3901
05:46:47,254 --> 05:46:52,486
that separately when we deal with this particular motion. So

3902
05:46:52,486 --> 05:46:55,491
I think. There's so many ways to cut this, and

3903
05:46:55,491 --> 05:46:57,851
I think we're very fortunate. I'm just going to say

3904
05:46:57,851 --> 05:47:05,227
that. But. For argument's sake, let's leave the 280 out

3905
05:47:05,227 --> 05:47:11,121
of our discussion and let's. Assume it all goes. To

3906
05:47:11,121 --> 05:47:15,353
affordable housing reserve fund right now. We're still left with

3907
05:47:15,353 --> 05:47:18,473
680, which was if I could just go back to

3908
05:47:18,473 --> 05:47:22,949
where I was before. 680 was the amount from the

3909
05:47:22,949 --> 05:47:27,767
surplus. That the treasurer suggests would be the maximum, which

3910
05:47:27,767 --> 05:47:32,567
you would suggest we use. For 26. And this was

3911
05:47:32,567 --> 05:47:35,805
the number we are going through before. Where if we

3912
05:47:35,805 --> 05:47:39,685
put in 166 for the p 55 80 for a

3913
05:47:39,685 --> 05:47:44,125
capital manager, 130 for the accelerator 54 for the hr

3914
05:47:44,125 --> 05:47:49,973
person. And 14 for the insurance. That was 444. And

3915
05:47:49,973 --> 05:47:53,973
from the 680, we're left with 236. Divided by two,

3916
05:47:53,973 --> 05:47:57,773
it's 118,000 to go to each of the murph and

3917
05:47:57,773 --> 05:48:01,480
the art center. And there's already 50 there, so. It

3918
05:48:01,480 --> 05:48:03,880
would mean this year we're putting 168 into each of

3919
05:48:03,880 --> 05:48:07,669
them. So that was where my mind was sort of

3920
05:48:07,669 --> 05:48:10,749
going on this, but let's get councilor. Baines motion on

3921
05:48:10,749 --> 05:48:14,837
the floor if we could. Okay. Thank you. That council

3922
05:48:14,837 --> 05:48:20,557
recommend including an additional $13,200 to our annual insurance premium.

3923
05:48:20,557 --> 05:48:27,935
As per the confidential email received from staff, Hey, would

3924
05:48:27,935 --> 05:48:33,032
there be a second or. Councilor Jeffrey. Any comments? All

3925
05:48:33,032 --> 05:48:39,592
those in favor? And that's unanimous. Thank you. Okay. Yay.

3926
05:48:39,592 --> 05:48:45,618
14,000 or 13,200? Okay. So what about the HR position?

3927
05:48:47,089 --> 05:48:51,289
We'll maybe just go through these. So this was conversion

3928
05:48:51,289 --> 05:48:55,394
from a seasonal to a full. Time person. I did

3929
05:48:55,394 --> 05:48:58,114
note that I would like to put a motion on

3930
05:48:58,114 --> 05:49:05,114
about the mat. Okay, but I thought we still had

3931
05:49:05,114 --> 05:49:08,594
an emotion from councilor Dougherty. I think she withdrew. That

3932
05:49:08,594 --> 05:49:15,869
one for now. I think. I'd like to see what

3933
05:49:15,869 --> 05:49:19,371
we're left with now. I feel like I'm trying to

3934
05:49:19,371 --> 05:49:23,571
work backwards into something. So let's see what we're left

3935
05:49:23,571 --> 05:49:33,300
with. Thank you. So. If I understand your

3936
05:49:33,300 --> 05:49:35,980
motion, I'll let you say it in a minute. But

3937
05:49:35,980 --> 05:49:38,100
the decision. We made a few months ago or a

3938
05:49:38,100 --> 05:49:43,773
year ago, where we divided them at taxes. 40% for

3939
05:49:43,773 --> 05:49:49,013
the town and 60% for tourism. Collingwood, this is what

3940
05:49:49,013 --> 05:49:52,133
you would like to change. Is that correct? Thank you,

3941
05:49:52,133 --> 05:49:54,413
Mayor Hamilton. And I was the one who put the

3942
05:49:54,413 --> 05:49:57,413
motion on. The table because I was the one who

3943
05:49:57,413 --> 05:50:00,773
said, let's not allocate, but let's show the entity that

3944
05:50:00,773 --> 05:50:05,428
we're really. Serious about tourism. Now that I've seen what

3945
05:50:05,428 --> 05:50:08,828
we've done with the 390 for this year. I think

3946
05:50:08,828 --> 05:50:12,908
we're serious about tourism, so I do believe that it's

3947
05:50:12,908 --> 05:50:15,868
better that it's a 50 50 split with the entity,

3948
05:50:15,868 --> 05:50:20,632
so I'm prepared, right? Now. To submit the council that

3949
05:50:20,632 --> 05:50:24,432
we changed that back to a 50 50 split, and

3950
05:50:24,432 --> 05:50:28,472
then based on the outcome of that motion. I would

3951
05:50:28,472 --> 05:50:31,552
put another motion forward, but we'll deal with that only

3952
05:50:31,552 --> 05:50:34,433
at this point in time. Okay. Does there a second

3953
05:50:34,433 --> 05:50:37,393
or for that councilor ring? Okay, anyone like to address

3954
05:50:37,393 --> 05:50:41,153
this councilor? Baines. Just a question of clarification. 50 50

3955
05:50:41,153 --> 05:50:48,069
for 26. I'm assuming. For 2020. It can be for

3956
05:50:48,069 --> 05:50:52,756
26 because. No, sorry. In my view, it should be

3957
05:50:52,756 --> 05:50:57,116
25 and 26, because we're taking our whole portion of

3958
05:50:57,116 --> 05:51:02,280
25, and we're putting it towards tourism. In a realm

3959
05:51:02,280 --> 05:51:05,760
of tourism, right? There's economic development and things like that.

3960
05:51:05,760 --> 05:51:08,880
But I think the whole concept is built around furthering

3961
05:51:08,880 --> 05:51:11,960
the tourism and downtown visioning which I look as part

3962
05:51:11,960 --> 05:51:14,600
of tours. I understand, but seeing is that the entity

3963
05:51:14,600 --> 05:51:18,756
is not up. And working right now, we can retroactively

3964
05:51:18,756 --> 05:51:21,916
go back for 25 and say it's 50 50 rather

3965
05:51:21,916 --> 05:51:25,923
than 60 40. Thank you. We can get clarification from

3966
05:51:25,923 --> 05:51:28,203
the treasurer, but I do believe we would be able

3967
05:51:28,203 --> 05:51:36,938
to. Yes. So the legislation requires us to. Put to

3968
05:51:36,938 --> 05:51:39,618
only have access to 50% of the funds from that.

3969
05:51:41,210 --> 05:51:44,730
As I've heard from our staff and the reports we've

3970
05:51:44,730 --> 05:51:51,232
had, best practices is to put 60% in. And what

3971
05:51:51,232 --> 05:51:57,736
is before us so far. Is. To work on that

3972
05:51:57,736 --> 05:52:00,456
60% for next year. So how we're going to allocate?

3973
05:52:00,456 --> 05:52:04,708
The funds. Who can come in? Is this something? For.

3974
05:52:05,910 --> 05:52:11,758
Director Qubit about what happens if we change this. Valentine.

3975
05:52:14,011 --> 05:52:16,251
Dr. Valentine. Okay, go ahead. Thank you, chair. And through

3976
05:52:16,251 --> 05:52:20,651
you. It's a difficult question from my recollection of the

3977
05:52:20,651 --> 05:52:25,281
legislation. Not being a lawyer. Is that if we committed

3978
05:52:25,281 --> 05:52:28,401
to the 60%, to the ETE, we need to honor

3979
05:52:28,401 --> 05:52:32,041
that. For that year where it was committed. So my

3980
05:52:32,041 --> 05:52:34,321
recollection of the legislation is we have to make at

3981
05:52:34,321 --> 05:52:39,001
least one payment to the ete that covers that year

3982
05:52:39,001 --> 05:52:42,818
of the 60%. That was committed. So I don't believe.

3983
05:52:42,818 --> 05:52:45,738
Although you can certainly direct us to get legal advice

3984
05:52:45,738 --> 05:52:48,258
to confirm. This that we can go back now and

3985
05:52:48,258 --> 05:52:52,378
change the allocation for 2025. However, council can certainly go

3986
05:52:52,378 --> 05:52:55,098
forward and change the allocation for 2026 that is within

3987
05:52:55,098 --> 05:52:58,418
your purview under the legislation. So long as that you

3988
05:52:58,418 --> 05:53:03,417
don't go below 50% going to the Ete. And with

3989
05:53:03,417 --> 05:53:06,937
respect to the funds that would be spent in 26.

3990
05:53:09,234 --> 05:53:12,914
How is that impacted by? If we were to shift

3991
05:53:12,914 --> 05:53:16,839
the allocation now. Like in the budget. You've got a

3992
05:53:16,839 --> 05:53:21,039
plan for 2026 for the 60% of. The mat funds.

3993
05:53:22,436 --> 05:53:24,636
Or through the chair. I'm a little bit at a

3994
05:53:24,636 --> 05:53:32,297
disadvantage because I missed the November. meeting however I believe

3995
05:53:32,297 --> 05:53:35,017
that we're only talking about the municipal portion that was

3996
05:53:35,017 --> 05:53:39,377
allocated in 2026. Not the portion that was going to

3997
05:53:39,377 --> 05:53:43,337
the Ete. So presumably, if you were to increase the

3998
05:53:43,337 --> 05:53:48,097
municipal portion, then that allocation could also increase within the

3999
05:53:48,097 --> 05:53:52,379
budget. I would say, though, that I understand from the

4000
05:53:52,379 --> 05:53:55,059
meeting on the 24 November there was a lot of

4001
05:53:55,059 --> 05:53:57,579
discussion about how much of the tourism master plan could

4002
05:53:57,579 --> 05:54:04,877
be essentially moved to the Ete. To implement. Provided that

4003
05:54:04,877 --> 05:54:09,317
those stay within the etE's legislative guide rails, which are

4004
05:54:09,317 --> 05:54:12,517
you must spend your money on tourism promotion, which could

4005
05:54:12,517 --> 05:54:16,877
include tourism product development, and we think there's about ten

4006
05:54:16,877 --> 05:54:20,677
out of 30. Some recommendations from the tourism master plan

4007
05:54:20,677 --> 05:54:22,797
that could fall under that bucket, so. Just a little

4008
05:54:22,797 --> 05:54:26,030
caution there that if that was. Council's expectation that the

4009
05:54:26,030 --> 05:54:29,510
Ete drive forward those ten recommendations, it will be more

4010
05:54:29,510 --> 05:54:31,790
challenging. For them to do so. If we reduce the

4011
05:54:31,790 --> 05:54:38,289
amount of money flowing to them in 2026. Right. Okay.

4012
05:54:38,289 --> 05:54:41,529
Any other comments? We'll come back to you. Anyone else

4013
05:54:41,529 --> 05:54:46,199
want to speak to this? Okay, your turn. In the

4014
05:54:46,199 --> 05:54:50,319
original proposal from staff, it was a 50 50 split

4015
05:54:50,319 --> 05:54:57,251
and. It was therefore. Also further recommended about 35% being

4016
05:54:57,251 --> 05:55:00,451
kept in tourism and 15% being used for other purposes.

4017
05:55:02,274 --> 05:55:10,358
Again. I do believe the right thing to do. Is

4018
05:55:10,358 --> 05:55:16,528
to drop back to 50%. I appreciate. The recollection of

4019
05:55:16,528 --> 05:55:21,376
Director Valentine that it obligates us. To stay with 25.

4020
05:55:23,031 --> 05:55:27,309
So. It would only be in my motion for it

4021
05:55:27,309 --> 05:55:33,138
to be for 26 on. And. It will be following

4022
05:55:33,138 --> 05:55:36,595
what staff had recommended. And as I said, We are

4023
05:55:36,595 --> 05:55:40,595
talking about simply then taking our 50% and splitting it

4024
05:55:40,595 --> 05:55:44,621
in half. And so 25 will be going to still

4025
05:55:44,621 --> 05:55:47,861
be used for tourism things. It'll just be. At our.

4026
05:55:47,861 --> 05:55:50,541
And one of them, I think, is being able to

4027
05:55:50,541 --> 05:55:54,566
put some money into reserve for Murph. And our center.

4028
05:55:56,394 --> 05:55:59,674
So the motion I'm making right now is just simply

4029
05:55:59,674 --> 05:56:06,354
to change back to a 50%. Allocation as of. 26,

4030
05:56:06,354 --> 05:56:09,607
forward. I just have to confess, I feel like I'm

4031
05:56:09,607 --> 05:56:13,007
standing on 1ft, not knowing, really. What it would mean

4032
05:56:13,007 --> 05:56:20,905
to do this. Councilor Dougherty. I had a thought.

4033
05:56:24,075 --> 05:56:28,506
And. That was what if we were to run through

4034
05:56:28,506 --> 05:56:33,626
these outstanding items, vote on each one, and have the

4035
05:56:33,626 --> 05:56:39,086
treasurer if she doesn't mind. To give us a riding

4036
05:56:39,086 --> 05:56:44,774
total of where we sit. Taking into account. That we

4037
05:56:44,774 --> 05:56:49,129
have some surplus funds that we can use for. These

4038
05:56:49,129 --> 05:56:56,199
projects. Because. I'm very confused right now, honestly. So, deputy

4039
05:56:56,199 --> 05:56:58,479
mayor, would you be content to hold your motion down

4040
05:56:58,479 --> 05:56:59,999
till the end, or do you want to dealt with

4041
05:56:59,999 --> 05:57:03,879
now. No, I'm prepared to take the outcome of it

4042
05:57:03,879 --> 05:57:06,639
and then. Decide because, as I said, the next step

4043
05:57:06,639 --> 05:57:07,839
is going to be to try to deal with the

4044
05:57:07,839 --> 05:57:11,959
Murphy art Center situation. Okay, so I'd like it to

4045
05:57:11,959 --> 05:57:21,784
call the vote, all right? Councilor ring. If

4046
05:57:21,784 --> 05:57:27,073
that's all the comments. All in favor? And those opposed.

4047
05:57:30,506 --> 05:57:33,954
Just me, okay? So, Mary Hamlin, the second part of

4048
05:57:33,954 --> 05:57:36,994
my motion would be based on the fact that we

4049
05:57:36,994 --> 05:57:39,874
know there's some additional funds coming in. I'd like to

4050
05:57:39,874 --> 05:57:46,583
propose that. From the mat portion that is considered the

4051
05:57:46,583 --> 05:57:53,612
towns. We put $100,000. 50,000 for them, for the merf.

4052
05:57:55,323 --> 05:57:58,803
And 50,000 for the art center to come out of.

4053
05:58:01,013 --> 05:58:05,041
The other portion of. The mat for 26. So I

4054
05:58:05,041 --> 05:58:07,561
think what I would like to ask the treasurer is.

4055
05:58:09,015 --> 05:58:15,020
By switching. Our portion of the Mat to 60% from

4056
05:58:15,020 --> 05:58:21,054
50. What additional funds do you see us having? In

4057
05:58:21,054 --> 05:58:26,284
our little hand. Thank you, Mayor Hamlin. It would be

4058
05:58:26,284 --> 05:58:30,364
50% for 2026. And again, this is a very conservative

4059
05:58:30,364 --> 05:58:34,644
estimate. Would then be 625,000 as opposed to the 500,000.

4060
05:58:36,878 --> 05:58:44,582
So a total of 312,500. Would be. What council could

4061
05:58:44,582 --> 05:58:47,542
allocate based on their prior direction. So an increase of

4062
05:58:47,542 --> 05:58:57,441
$62,500. Before we get to that, I

4063
05:58:57,441 --> 05:59:01,161
just want to clarify what the treasure said. So. Treasure

4064
05:59:01,161 --> 05:59:08,423
Graham. The additional. 10% going to the town, as opposed

4065
05:59:08,423 --> 05:59:13,623
to the tourism entity, would give us an additional 62,500.

4066
05:59:15,027 --> 05:59:20,561
Is that what you said? it would give an additional

4067
05:59:20,561 --> 05:59:24,961
$125,000 for the year that council had directed staff to

4068
05:59:24,961 --> 05:59:26,827
include 50% To be what you would pre allocate for

4069
05:59:26,827 --> 05:59:31,833
2026, again, noting that this estimate is based. On our

4070
05:59:31,833 --> 05:59:34,833
short year that we've had in 2025, and there's potential

4071
05:59:34,833 --> 05:59:39,037
for it to be higher. Okay. So we have an

4072
05:59:39,037 --> 05:59:44,317
additional 62,500 if we follow the same process. I'm sort

4073
05:59:44,317 --> 05:59:48,409
of wondering, deputy mayor. I definitely hear how you'd like

4074
05:59:48,409 --> 05:59:50,409
to allocate it. I'm sort of. Wondering if we shouldn't

4075
05:59:50,409 --> 05:59:52,809
go through everything and see how much is left at

4076
05:59:52,809 --> 05:59:57,840
the end. But it's up to you. But if we

4077
05:59:57,840 --> 06:00:05,960
have 62,500. You're wanting to allocate 100. Because I think

4078
06:00:05,960 --> 06:00:11,918
that conservatively means that. We should be fined in total

4079
06:00:11,918 --> 06:00:16,814
for the reserve for the year. And. It meets some

4080
06:00:16,814 --> 06:00:20,374
concerns about trying to increase the Murphy and the rec

4081
06:00:20,374 --> 06:00:23,454
center. Okay, well, I think what we'll do is we'll

4082
06:00:23,454 --> 06:00:26,054
just put that to one side that we voted. On

4083
06:00:26,054 --> 06:00:32,582
having another 62,500 on top of the 680. 62. Five.

4084
06:00:35,082 --> 06:00:40,682
So that. Is 742,500. All right, how are we going

4085
06:00:40,682 --> 06:00:42,682
to spend all this good money? All right, so let's

4086
06:00:42,682 --> 06:00:46,442
go back. Let's go through these things here. Mayor Hamlin.

4087
06:00:46,442 --> 06:00:54,285
Sorry, I'm putting. A motion on table. And if I

4088
06:00:54,285 --> 06:00:57,566
don't have a second her, that's fine. But I'd like

4089
06:00:57,566 --> 06:01:03,499
to make a motion to increase. The murph in the

4090
06:01:03,499 --> 06:01:07,499
art center. Allocation by $50,000 each to come from the.

4091
06:01:09,047 --> 06:01:14,490
Merf or the mat for 26. Knowing that the proportion

4092
06:01:14,490 --> 06:01:21,795
that the treasurer is recommending would be 62,500. I don't

4093
06:01:21,795 --> 06:01:24,155
believe treasure is recommending it. She said that it's going

4094
06:01:24,155 --> 06:01:28,595
to. Increase by $125,000. And as I said, I'm conservatively

4095
06:01:28,595 --> 06:01:33,165
allocating 100. Of that. We did outline that we are

4096
06:01:33,165 --> 06:01:37,285
going to be able to use 50% for town purposes,

4097
06:01:37,285 --> 06:01:42,867
but. Right now, we've only approved $250,000. So we haven't

4098
06:01:42,867 --> 06:01:47,736
approved the other 62,500. Let me break this down a

4099
06:01:47,736 --> 06:01:53,003
bit. So what the trigger had suggested to us, that

4100
06:01:53,003 --> 06:01:56,203
of our mat funds, I'll say the town the portion

4101
06:01:56,203 --> 06:02:02,128
that the town can spend for 2026. We shouldn't spend

4102
06:02:02,128 --> 06:02:06,555
more than half of what our estimate is. Because we

4103
06:02:06,555 --> 06:02:10,740
should be conservative. What if. There's a recession and nobody

4104
06:02:10,740 --> 06:02:13,886
goes to hotels. It's hard to predict. We're looking ahead.

4105
06:02:15,541 --> 06:02:18,501
For funds that aren't guaranteed. So in her view, I'll

4106
06:02:18,501 --> 06:02:24,794
just say, It was that. We would have available and

4107
06:02:24,794 --> 06:02:29,182
spend up to 50%. Of what our share could be.

4108
06:02:30,598 --> 06:02:34,556
So. I think the first thing we have to decide

4109
06:02:34,556 --> 06:02:38,049
is, do we want to change that? Because if we

4110
06:02:38,049 --> 06:02:41,649
don't get to 100 that you would like to allocate

4111
06:02:41,649 --> 06:02:45,529
unless. We change the premise that's in the budget? No.

4112
06:02:47,322 --> 06:02:51,282
So. I'm not proposing that. I'm proposing the 100,000 comes

4113
06:02:51,282 --> 06:02:58,116
from the. Mat. That is the tourism portion. That. We

4114
06:02:58,116 --> 06:03:04,261
allocated $390,000 towards tourism from the mat in 25. We

4115
06:03:04,261 --> 06:03:08,101
said that we want 50% of 26 to be allocated

4116
06:03:08,101 --> 06:03:11,987
towards. At the time, that was $250,000, and that's what

4117
06:03:11,987 --> 06:03:17,939
we passed. That allocation still remains fixed. That meant there

4118
06:03:17,939 --> 06:03:23,059
was another $250,000 that we maintained we would use for

4119
06:03:23,059 --> 06:03:28,765
tourism related purposes. In future, but we would wait until

4120
06:03:28,765 --> 06:03:34,505
26 to allocate that, but. I'm suggesting that the $100,000

4121
06:03:34,505 --> 06:03:38,556
comes from that portion. And that's what I'm putting on,

4122
06:03:38,556 --> 06:03:44,549
is emotion. Is this clear to everyone except me? Okay.

4123
06:03:44,549 --> 06:03:46,989
I'm just not getting it. Treasure, I think you need

4124
06:03:46,989 --> 06:03:50,428
to explain it to me. My brain's not working. Yeah,

4125
06:03:50,428 --> 06:03:56,238
go ahead. I'm having trouble getting to where the hundred

4126
06:03:56,238 --> 06:04:03,608
is when we only have 62 five. This is. Three

4127
06:04:03,608 --> 06:04:07,695
mayor. It's an estimate. So the amount that we're estimating,

4128
06:04:07,695 --> 06:04:12,375
that we're going to collect in 2026. In total for

4129
06:04:12,375 --> 06:04:17,925
the mat is just $1.25 million. If now that we're

4130
06:04:17,925 --> 06:04:22,565
doing 50, 5625 thousand of that will be going towards

4131
06:04:22,565 --> 06:04:26,946
Collingwood. And not tourism. Collingwood. Council had directed staff at

4132
06:04:26,946 --> 06:04:30,946
the last meeting to use 50% of that as a

4133
06:04:30,946 --> 06:04:34,666
conservative estimate. I do think council could go a little

4134
06:04:34,666 --> 06:04:37,986
bit higher if they did want to meet that 100,000.

4135
06:04:37,986 --> 06:04:41,668
Again, this is an estimate. I cautioned at the last

4136
06:04:41,668 --> 06:04:45,228
meeting because it is an estimate and we've only had

4137
06:04:45,228 --> 06:04:50,213
nine months. Of Matt. Until we really see trend analysis,

4138
06:04:50,213 --> 06:04:53,533
we likely don't want to spend something. We haven't actually

4139
06:04:53,533 --> 06:04:57,166
collected. Would I be comfortable increasing that to the 100?

4140
06:04:58,703 --> 06:05:01,303
Yeah, I would be. I think that's fine. And if

4141
06:05:01,303 --> 06:05:11,060
that's cancel direction. Yeah, I'm still trying to

4142
06:05:11,060 --> 06:05:18,679
clarify it myself. Because that's not my intention. The 250,000

4143
06:05:18,679 --> 06:05:21,799
we set on was based on a 50% allocation that

4144
06:05:21,799 --> 06:05:23,919
could be used. To help on the operating tax site.

4145
06:05:26,761 --> 06:05:30,121
The other portion is what I'm talking about, that we

4146
06:05:30,121 --> 06:05:32,801
left there because we thought there. Might be other tourism

4147
06:05:32,801 --> 06:05:35,041
things that we want to go and use forward, and

4148
06:05:35,041 --> 06:05:38,881
I would maintain that. The creation of a murph and

4149
06:05:38,881 --> 06:05:41,521
the creation of an art center has tourism based fish.

4150
06:05:41,521 --> 06:05:46,143
So I'm looking at the 100,000 coming from. That non

4151
06:05:46,143 --> 06:05:51,045
allocated to the operating side portion. Recognizing that, as you

4152
06:05:51,045 --> 06:05:56,795
have said, The conservative estimate is 625. What I'm proposing

4153
06:05:56,795 --> 06:06:03,115
is an allocation that totals $350,000, 250 from our portion.

4154
06:06:03,115 --> 06:06:07,676
That we can allocate. And 100 from the other portion.

4155
06:06:07,676 --> 06:06:10,556
I'm hoping that's clear to the treasurer and. Can she

4156
06:06:10,556 --> 06:06:14,742
just verify to me that it is okay? Go ahead.

4157
06:06:14,742 --> 06:06:17,182
Thank you. Yes, that is clear. And that is how

4158
06:06:17,182 --> 06:06:19,182
I understood it too. Just noting. That. That's just a

4159
06:06:19,182 --> 06:06:21,702
little bit more than 50%. And that was the last

4160
06:06:21,702 --> 06:06:25,302
cancel. Direction, and that's okay. It's council's direction with the

4161
06:06:25,302 --> 06:06:27,622
50%, so. If cancel wants to increase it by that

4162
06:06:27,622 --> 06:06:30,662
small amount. Absolutely. It's okay. So that was. Where I

4163
06:06:30,662 --> 06:06:34,266
was coming to ten minutes ago, I think. We need

4164
06:06:34,266 --> 06:06:38,029
to have a motion first. To increase. Spending more than

4165
06:06:38,029 --> 06:06:45,148
50% of the mat for 2026. Deputy mayor Hamlin. That's

4166
06:06:45,148 --> 06:06:50,716
not what I'm proposing. Well, that's fine. I understand. I'm

4167
06:06:50,716 --> 06:06:55,303
glad I asked the clarification at the treasure. What I'm

4168
06:06:55,303 --> 06:06:59,611
saying is. We have $250,000 we're taking out to be

4169
06:06:59,611 --> 06:07:03,467
used to help on the operating tax side. I'm asking

4170
06:07:03,467 --> 06:07:06,387
that the other hundred thousand is coming out of that

4171
06:07:06,387 --> 06:07:12,091
other portion that's. There. Not. The 50% that we had

4172
06:07:12,091 --> 06:07:16,942
established last meeting. I don't believe we need emotion because

4173
06:07:16,942 --> 06:07:21,702
we're dealing with that other portion, not. The allocated portion

4174
06:07:21,702 --> 06:07:25,142
that we decided on about the 50%. And again through

4175
06:07:25,142 --> 06:07:27,222
you, Mayor Hammond, I'll just check with the treasurer and

4176
06:07:27,222 --> 06:07:34,030
see if I'm being clear there or not. Treasure. While

4177
06:07:34,030 --> 06:07:35,550
you're explaining, can you explain where the 100 comes from

4178
06:07:35,550 --> 06:07:42,960
then? Thank you. Okay. I'm following. So in total, our

4179
06:07:42,960 --> 06:07:49,011
estimate for 2026 Matt collection at 50%. Of. There's a

4180
06:07:49,011 --> 06:07:53,171
lot of 50% going around right now. The revised 50%

4181
06:07:53,171 --> 06:08:00,011
tourism colluwood, 50% Collingwood portion. The Colliewood portion is 625,000.

4182
06:08:00,011 --> 06:08:04,171
Estimate it we've included 250,000, which was the 50% that

4183
06:08:04,171 --> 06:08:08,091
we had estimated when it was 60 40 split. Their

4184
06:08:08,091 --> 06:08:12,967
100,000 would still come from the 625,000. So in total.

4185
06:08:14,771 --> 06:08:17,611
We're just pre allocating 56% of what we are estimating

4186
06:08:17,611 --> 06:08:20,714
it to be. But. They're not necessarily tied to each

4187
06:08:20,714 --> 06:08:23,995
other. I believe the deputy mayor is just asking for

4188
06:08:23,995 --> 06:08:30,641
an additional 100,000. From the 625,000 to be allocated towards

4189
06:08:30,641 --> 06:08:32,521
the Murphy art Center? I don't know. If I'm losing

4190
06:08:32,521 --> 06:08:35,121
my mind here, but doesn't that mean we're taking more

4191
06:08:35,121 --> 06:08:40,881
than 50% for 26 treasure, it means we're taking 56%.

4192
06:08:40,881 --> 06:08:44,041
Okay, but that. 50%. That council had decided on the

4193
06:08:44,041 --> 06:08:47,883
250,000. Again, is the council direction. It's not a right.

4194
06:08:47,883 --> 06:08:52,364
I totally understand that, but the distinction here. And this

4195
06:08:52,364 --> 06:08:54,524
is where I'm losing. It is. The deputy mayor is

4196
06:08:54,524 --> 06:08:58,847
insisting as I've heard them that. It's not increasing the

4197
06:08:58,847 --> 06:09:03,847
50% share. So I think, Deputy mayor, perhaps you could

4198
06:09:03,847 --> 06:09:07,758
clarify. This with the treasurer, so we understand it. So

4199
06:09:07,758 --> 06:09:15,193
if we. Call the 150% portion the tourism portion, and

4200
06:09:15,193 --> 06:09:20,200
we call the other portion the operating tax portion. I'm

4201
06:09:20,200 --> 06:09:25,343
leaving that alone. I am saying from the tourism portion,

4202
06:09:25,343 --> 06:09:28,405
which we don't know what it's going to be. When

4203
06:09:28,405 --> 06:09:29,725
we have estimates as to how much we think it'll

4204
06:09:29,725 --> 06:09:32,969
be. It could turn out that the 250 that we're

4205
06:09:32,969 --> 06:09:38,077
allocating the operations side is 50%. When it all comes

4206
06:09:38,077 --> 06:09:43,835
in. So I'm saying that tourism portion. I'm suggesting we

4207
06:09:43,835 --> 06:09:47,275
use $100,000. Of it to put 50 into the MeRf

4208
06:09:47,275 --> 06:09:53,326
and 50 into the AC reserve. And I understand the

4209
06:09:53,326 --> 06:09:58,806
overall impact of that is 56% of the 625, but

4210
06:09:58,806 --> 06:10:02,872
I'm trying to discern between the two. Because I don't

4211
06:10:02,872 --> 06:10:07,066
believe there needs to be emotion, because. We're not allocating

4212
06:10:07,066 --> 06:10:12,826
more than $625,000. Okay, so maybe. What you're saying. Then

4213
06:10:12,826 --> 06:10:16,936
we'll have one more go at it. The 50% that

4214
06:10:16,936 --> 06:10:20,216
would go to tourism. Collingwood. Are you saying we should

4215
06:10:20,216 --> 06:10:23,367
take the funds from. There. Not Hollywood, because that's the

4216
06:10:23,367 --> 06:10:28,120
entity. Yeah, I understand. Calling it the tourism portion. Okay,

4217
06:10:28,120 --> 06:10:37,336
I think we'll just. Vote, okay? 225%

4218
06:10:37,336 --> 06:10:42,136
and not be operating. I have never heard this division

4219
06:10:42,136 --> 06:10:44,736
between operating in capital. I don't know where. I didn't

4220
06:10:44,736 --> 06:10:49,462
see that anywhere, so I'm not understanding that. Either. Yeah,

4221
06:10:49,462 --> 06:10:57,012
tourism. Yeah, which is the 56. So it's 56% of

4222
06:10:57,012 --> 06:11:01,017
our share instead of 50. Okay, so we're going to

4223
06:11:01,017 --> 06:11:03,857
vote on whether we're going to. That's how I understand

4224
06:11:03,857 --> 06:11:07,528
it. I've heard from the treasurer. 56% of our share

4225
06:11:07,528 --> 06:11:13,060
instead of 50. All those in favor? Okay. What's the

4226
06:11:13,060 --> 06:11:18,327
dollar amount on that 100? It puts $50,000. We're having

4227
06:11:18,327 --> 06:11:24,446
a vote here. All those in favor? Those opposed? One

4228
06:11:24,446 --> 06:11:30,334
opposed. Okay. It would put $50,000 into the Murph and

4229
06:11:30,334 --> 06:11:35,427
the AC reserves. So they would increase to 100,000. Without

4230
06:11:35,427 --> 06:11:45,378
a tax impact. Yes. I'm sorry. I

4231
06:11:45,378 --> 06:11:48,458
don't see how that can happen without a tax impact.

4232
06:11:50,082 --> 06:11:53,962
Because the 250 was fully allocated to reduce tax, and

4233
06:11:53,962 --> 06:11:57,642
it still is. So this is the additional 100,000 is

4234
06:11:57,642 --> 06:12:05,125
coming from. Matt, so. You're allocating beyond the 250. To.

4235
06:12:06,572 --> 06:12:10,678
Worth the additional. Okay, so. That was what. We were

4236
06:12:10,678 --> 06:12:13,598
trying to clarify earlier. Now I understand. So it's beyond

4237
06:12:13,598 --> 06:12:17,374
the 250? Yeah. I still would have liked it to

4238
06:12:17,374 --> 06:12:21,454
be discerned, but I'll accept the 56%. Just to get

4239
06:12:21,454 --> 06:12:24,506
it through. There's no other way to look at it.

4240
06:12:27,793 --> 06:12:29,433
Okay, that was it, though. All right, so let's now

4241
06:12:29,433 --> 06:12:37,502
go through the other items. Right.

4242
06:12:39,336 --> 06:12:46,979
Okay. Anyone want to extend? Councilor Dougherty to councilor Dougherty.

4243
06:12:46,979 --> 06:12:52,739
Councilor Jeffrey, seconded by councilor Dougherty. All those in favor?

4244
06:12:52,739 --> 06:12:56,459
And that's it. So councilor Jeffrey's just reminding me. We

4245
06:12:56,459 --> 06:13:01,636
need to add in an amount. For a discussion still

4246
06:13:01,636 --> 06:13:03,476
to be had for council reneweration.

4247
06:13:31,785 --> 06:13:38,672
So just to recap right now where we are, Is.

4248
06:13:38,672 --> 06:13:41,552
We have 100 in each of the reserve funds for

4249
06:13:41,552 --> 06:13:44,992
the Mat and sorry for the art. Center and the

4250
06:13:44,992 --> 06:13:51,533
Murph. Okay. All right. Okay. Is anyone opposed to us

4251
06:13:51,533 --> 06:13:56,280
going through the list of aspen voting on them? Okay,

4252
06:13:56,280 --> 06:13:59,856
Hr, for the third time. This is the one to

4253
06:13:59,856 --> 06:14:04,967
reduce the part time position to full time. Anyone interested

4254
06:14:04,967 --> 06:14:12,897
in making a motion on that? Councilor. Banks. As I

4255
06:14:12,897 --> 06:14:15,617
recall, last year at this time, did we not defer.

4256
06:14:17,077 --> 06:14:21,210
This. I look at director peg. And said, we'll get

4257
06:14:21,210 --> 06:14:25,457
back to this next year, and now we're here. This

4258
06:14:25,457 --> 06:14:30,315
opportunity to address this from last year. So that being

4259
06:14:30,315 --> 06:14:33,728
the case, To that undertaking that I think we made

4260
06:14:33,728 --> 06:14:36,168
last year, at least to revisit it. I would put

4261
06:14:36,168 --> 06:14:41,517
this motion on that. This 54. Be adopted. Okay. Thank

4262
06:14:41,517 --> 06:14:45,748
you. Would there be a seconder, councilor Dougherty? Anyone like

4263
06:14:45,748 --> 06:14:53,443
to speak to it? Deputy mayor, please. With the report

4264
06:14:53,443 --> 06:14:58,043
from the treasurer. We're looking at 3.15% impact. I can't.

4265
06:14:58,043 --> 06:15:03,344
Support additional spending right now. So I'm just putting out

4266
06:15:03,344 --> 06:15:05,744
there and I won't have to repeat myself. I won't

4267
06:15:05,744 --> 06:15:11,138
be supporting any additional. At this point in time. I

4268
06:15:11,138 --> 06:15:13,618
think the blended tax rate, if I can just practice

4269
06:15:13,618 --> 06:15:17,698
2.84%, that's. The blended. Yeah, I'm only talking about the

4270
06:15:17,698 --> 06:15:27,314
municipal portion. Oh, I see. Okay. I think I should

4271
06:15:27,314 --> 06:15:31,394
be just making sure we have a good understanding of

4272
06:15:31,394 --> 06:15:39,561
the funds we're. Going to allocate potentially. So. It was

4273
06:15:39,561 --> 06:15:48,633
the 680. And.

4274
06:15:52,994 --> 06:15:58,742
From. The 680. Well, we have 680, or there's 813,

4275
06:15:58,742 --> 06:16:03,362
which is the full amount of the surplus. And the

4276
06:16:03,362 --> 06:16:07,923
treasure suggested we not allocate more than 680. Does anyone.

4277
06:16:10,010 --> 06:16:14,562
Want to keep that in mind, deputy mayor. I think

4278
06:16:14,562 --> 06:16:18,602
we better have a vote on whatever the $600,000 amount

4279
06:16:18,602 --> 06:16:24,938
is, because I'm not in favor of allocating that. To

4280
06:16:24,938 --> 06:16:30,170
specific items. My thought all along had been the opportunity

4281
06:16:30,170 --> 06:16:39,563
exists to reduce the capital requirement. For amp. So. I

4282
06:16:39,563 --> 06:16:43,884
think if it's being suggested that we have. 15, but

4283
06:16:43,884 --> 06:16:46,284
I just heard 680. So whatever the number is, I

4284
06:16:46,284 --> 06:16:48,724
think we need to have a vote on that so

4285
06:16:48,724 --> 06:16:55,260
I can oppose that. If that's the intention. Well, I

4286
06:16:55,260 --> 06:16:56,660
don't think we need to vote on that yet. We're

4287
06:16:56,660 --> 06:17:00,100
going through as I said earlier, the different amounts, and

4288
06:17:00,100 --> 06:17:04,763
we're still on a motion for the HR. Position. Finally.

4289
06:17:04,763 --> 06:17:12,876
It wasn't me. Any other comments on the HR position?

4290
06:17:15,428 --> 06:17:17,068
Okay, let's bring it to a vote. All those in

4291
06:17:17,068 --> 06:17:23,716
favor? 12345 opposed.

4292
06:17:26,969 --> 06:17:34,247
That carries the next one was. Let's see here. Moving

4293
06:17:34,247 --> 06:17:37,007
to P 55 for our staff. I think we've had

4294
06:17:37,007 --> 06:17:40,567
a lot of discussion about that. Would anyone like to

4295
06:17:40,567 --> 06:17:45,118
bring that as a motion? Councilor Dougherty. Would there be

4296
06:17:45,118 --> 06:17:53,236
a seconder? Councilor Bains. Okay. Any discussion.

4297
06:17:55,823 --> 06:18:02,302
Councilor Dougherty. Absolutely. We've been kicking this down the road

4298
06:18:02,302 --> 06:18:09,180
for a couple of years now. And. We've already demonstrated

4299
06:18:09,180 --> 06:18:17,028
that. We're losing staff because. Other municipalities are paying more,

4300
06:18:17,028 --> 06:18:21,090
so. Let's get competitive. It's just as simple as that.

4301
06:18:21,090 --> 06:18:25,284
And like I say, We've been discussing this now for

4302
06:18:25,284 --> 06:18:27,244
the last couple of years, and we never moved forward.

4303
06:18:28,526 --> 06:18:32,000
It's time to move forward on this. Be fair to

4304
06:18:32,000 --> 06:18:39,799
our staff. Okay. Thank you. Councilor jeffrey. Thank you. Mary

4305
06:18:39,799 --> 06:18:44,399
Hamlin. I think we are competitive, and I would challenge.

4306
06:18:45,884 --> 06:18:49,284
You on a wholesale comment that people are leaving because

4307
06:18:49,284 --> 06:18:54,637
of money. I would disagree with that totally. I'm not

4308
06:18:54,637 --> 06:19:00,277
prepared to go to the P 55. I just think

4309
06:19:00,277 --> 06:19:05,751
the impact is. Too great. At this point in time,

4310
06:19:05,751 --> 06:19:08,871
so I will not be voting in favor of this.

4311
06:19:08,871 --> 06:19:13,022
Thank you. Okay. Thank you. I wanted to ask a

4312
06:19:13,022 --> 06:19:19,138
treasurer. Actually, it was executive director, peg. I have this

4313
06:19:19,138 --> 06:19:24,611
different recollection than Councillor Jefferies, which was. That. My recollection

4314
06:19:24,611 --> 06:19:28,851
was that our comparator municipalities were at P 55 and

4315
06:19:28,851 --> 06:19:32,479
P 60. But I know you are the fountain of

4316
06:19:32,479 --> 06:19:37,546
all this knowledge. Could you remind us? Thank you. Thank

4317
06:19:37,546 --> 06:19:40,666
you, mayor. So through you to all of council. So

4318
06:19:40,666 --> 06:19:44,386
we do certainly have missed comparators that are at p

4319
06:19:44,386 --> 06:19:48,687
55 and p 60. And part of the base budget

4320
06:19:48,687 --> 06:19:52,667
includes. Moving our current pay policy in alignment to the

4321
06:19:52,667 --> 06:19:55,787
P 50. But the P 55 would be in addition

4322
06:19:55,787 --> 06:19:59,547
and put us at 5% above the medium of our

4323
06:19:59,547 --> 06:20:04,620
comparator group. Which we do certainly have comparators that are

4324
06:20:04,620 --> 06:20:08,402
at P 55 and P 60. Yes. Okay. Thank you.

4325
06:20:09,877 --> 06:20:16,404
Councilor Potts. Thanks, mayor Hamlin. Just curious. On the comments

4326
06:20:16,404 --> 06:20:19,924
of my colleague, councilor Dougherty. Do we have supporting documentation

4327
06:20:19,924 --> 06:20:25,724
that our staff are leaving because of neighboring or comparators

4328
06:20:25,724 --> 06:20:28,724
or neighbor municipalities are paying more. Do we actually have

4329
06:20:28,724 --> 06:20:35,309
that supporting documentation. That's the statistics. I think that's a

4330
06:20:35,309 --> 06:20:41,746
question for stop. Sure. Executive director thank you, mayor. Through

4331
06:20:41,746 --> 06:20:45,066
to councilor Pott. So we do conduct exit interviews when

4332
06:20:45,066 --> 06:20:50,066
employees leave. Year to date, we're at 8.1% employee turnover,

4333
06:20:50,066 --> 06:20:53,629
and I would say it's reasonable. That a proportion of

4334
06:20:53,629 --> 06:20:58,965
those employees. Are leaving due to salary. There are other

4335
06:20:58,965 --> 06:21:06,809
considerations why employees leave municipality, including Morrell. And although compensation.

4336
06:21:08,289 --> 06:21:11,849
Is quantified separate. Apart from that, I think discussions and

4337
06:21:11,849 --> 06:21:16,860
conversations around compensation do also impact morale. Yeah. Thank you.

4338
06:21:18,426 --> 06:21:25,566
Deputy mayor. Thank you, Mayor Hamlin. totally all due respect

4339
06:21:25,566 --> 06:21:28,932
the staff i'm not going to support it Because we're

4340
06:21:28,932 --> 06:21:36,862
starting to push towards 4%. And. For 25. Our investments

4341
06:21:36,862 --> 06:21:41,142
earned $10 million. Some of it's been brought in, some

4342
06:21:41,142 --> 06:21:45,767
of it's? There if we cash out. And we're talking

4343
06:21:45,767 --> 06:21:50,447
about increasing taxes 4%. That's where we're starting to push

4344
06:21:50,447 --> 06:21:53,527
towards. If we start accepting some of these and the

4345
06:21:53,527 --> 06:21:57,782
municipal portion. As I say, all due respect to staff,

4346
06:21:57,782 --> 06:22:07,734
I'm not supporting any more spending. i've put

4347
06:22:07,734 --> 06:22:08,100
a good proposal on about a significant reduction By not

4348
06:22:08,100 --> 06:22:10,500
having to take as much in the amp, and that

4349
06:22:10,500 --> 06:22:13,060
was defeated. But I will be bringing that back onto

4350
06:22:13,060 --> 06:22:18,140
the table another time, but I'm not supporting it, and

4351
06:22:18,140 --> 06:22:20,460
I wanted to make sure that I said this has

4352
06:22:20,460 --> 06:22:24,020
nothing to do with stop performance. It's totally about the

4353
06:22:24,020 --> 06:22:33,412
overall increase. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, go ahead. I

4354
06:22:33,412 --> 06:22:35,692
did. Threw the chair. Want to add a couple of

4355
06:22:35,692 --> 06:22:42,235
items here? We did, in the end, do quite well

4356
06:22:42,235 --> 06:22:49,962
on our investments recently. That said, most of that amount

4357
06:22:49,962 --> 06:22:54,442
has been reinvested back into the reserve funds, which produced

4358
06:22:54,442 --> 06:22:59,085
the income, both that original amount of funding. When we

4359
06:22:59,085 --> 06:23:04,840
put. Aside. Council puts enough aside, for example, to pay

4360
06:23:04,840 --> 06:23:08,080
the kilometer of road. We do that sometimes, so. We

4361
06:23:08,080 --> 06:23:11,080
can save up to pave so many kilometers at once.

4362
06:23:11,080 --> 06:23:13,400
But what that means is when. We do ultimately spend

4363
06:23:13,400 --> 06:23:15,280
that money, we still want to be able to pave

4364
06:23:15,280 --> 06:23:21,645
a kilometer road. So the investment income is reinvested, quite

4365
06:23:21,645 --> 06:23:29,176
appropriately, in those capital asset type reserves. So. We wouldn't

4366
06:23:29,176 --> 06:23:32,176
be expecting to apply that generally to taxes, but there

4367
06:23:32,176 --> 06:23:34,656
is an amount that we have on the table here

4368
06:23:34,656 --> 06:23:39,099
today? The surplus. That includes the unexpected investment income between

4369
06:23:39,099 --> 06:23:42,499
510 and 680, which is not that situation, but a

4370
06:23:42,499 --> 06:23:45,899
large portion of the 10 million is in that situation.

4371
06:23:45,899 --> 06:23:49,019
So it's gone back to make sure we can build

4372
06:23:49,019 --> 06:23:54,388
and do things in the future. I also did want

4373
06:23:54,388 --> 06:24:03,552
to echo. Executive director Peg in the sense that. It

4374
06:24:03,552 --> 06:24:08,191
is important that. We do keep our staff most of

4375
06:24:08,191 --> 06:24:11,782
the positions that we have. Are four plus and sometimes

4376
06:24:11,782 --> 06:24:14,942
a lot more than four years of education, and we

4377
06:24:14,942 --> 06:24:17,462
keep people around. For five or seven or ten years

4378
06:24:17,462 --> 06:24:20,610
to really learn. Their jobs and be experts in something.

4379
06:24:20,610 --> 06:24:24,370
That's an unusual, often an unusual thing to do. Water

4380
06:24:24,370 --> 06:24:32,808
treatment. Public works. Engineering. And it hurts us quite a

4381
06:24:32,808 --> 06:24:31,944
bit when we lose them. We have been losing. clerking

4382
06:24:37,514 --> 06:24:41,669
Planners. We've been losing folks to the county. There's engineer

4383
06:24:41,669 --> 06:24:46,956
pieces. There's people in the rec field that. Have been

4384
06:24:46,956 --> 06:24:50,236
leaving, I would be the last person to ask council

4385
06:24:50,236 --> 06:24:52,796
to approve all of the items. That are on your

4386
06:24:52,796 --> 06:24:54,916
list? Because I think that that's the hard decisions that.

4387
06:24:56,461 --> 06:25:00,611
You do make? But with the funding that you have,

4388
06:25:00,611 --> 06:25:04,651
the P 55 and potentially the capital asset manager are

4389
06:25:04,651 --> 06:25:07,651
pieces that I think are investments in things that you

4390
06:25:07,651 --> 06:25:10,491
built through good decisions. And I would ask you to

4391
06:25:10,491 --> 06:25:13,731
put those near the top of your priority list. Sorted.

4392
06:25:13,731 --> 06:25:16,931
Of course. Through your view of the municipality. Thank you.

4393
06:25:18,424 --> 06:25:21,581
Okay. Thank you. Just wait. I think we'll see if

4394
06:25:21,581 --> 06:25:29,756
anyone else would like to speak to. This. Yes, please

4395
06:25:29,756 --> 06:25:38,144
do. And I wasn't going to get into the full

4396
06:25:38,144 --> 06:25:40,344
conversation at this point in time as I said I'm

4397
06:25:40,344 --> 06:25:42,264
going to bring up both the capital at another time.

4398
06:25:43,670 --> 06:25:48,626
I pointed all this out. In my. Motion last time

4399
06:25:48,626 --> 06:25:54,351
to reduce the 0.8%. And explain that I understood. $4

4400
06:25:54,351 --> 06:26:00,279
million came into lifecycle reserve. And in my opinion, The

4401
06:26:00,279 --> 06:26:03,879
$15 million annual requirement is almost all being made up

4402
06:26:03,879 --> 06:26:07,928
by. The amounts we have coming in now, but as

4403
06:26:07,928 --> 06:26:09,768
I said, I wasn't going to get into all those

4404
06:26:09,768 --> 06:26:14,953
conversations. The reality is. The investments that were made made

4405
06:26:14,953 --> 06:26:17,193
$10 million that are not included in any of our

4406
06:26:17,193 --> 06:26:20,673
budgeting. Or anything like that. That's great performance of our

4407
06:26:20,673 --> 06:26:26,910
investments. I'm looking to try to reward the taxpayer. Because

4408
06:26:26,910 --> 06:26:29,550
they're the ones who made the investment. Thank you. Okay.

4409
06:26:29,550 --> 06:26:35,793
Thank you. On the P 55. I know there's five

4410
06:26:35,793 --> 06:26:37,633
people who've gone to the town of the Blue Mountains.

4411
06:26:37,633 --> 06:26:41,393
I ran into somebody who recently had left our municipality

4412
06:26:41,393 --> 06:26:45,300
for the town of Blue Mountains. About ten months ago,

4413
06:26:45,300 --> 06:26:50,196
and there were five people there. And I don't know.

4414
06:26:51,530 --> 06:26:53,690
I just feel like with the county at P 60.

4415
06:26:55,016 --> 06:26:58,896
And the municipalities we mostly compete with for staff at

4416
06:26:58,896 --> 06:27:05,034
p 55. I'm going to support this. Yes, Councilor Potts,

4417
06:27:05,034 --> 06:27:08,874
thanks for Hamlin the one. Challenge I have when we

4418
06:27:08,874 --> 06:27:13,963
talk about the comparators. With the municipality. I spoke to

4419
06:27:13,963 --> 06:27:17,963
a staff from another municipality. Yes. There was no doubt

4420
06:27:17,963 --> 06:27:23,537
that. Their pay grade is a little bit more. However

4421
06:27:23,537 --> 06:27:26,297
they're doing the job, the position they hold. In that

4422
06:27:26,297 --> 06:27:30,060
municipality, we have three people. Three staff in the town

4423
06:27:30,060 --> 06:27:32,620
of calling who are doing the same job. So when

4424
06:27:32,620 --> 06:27:35,300
you look at three stop in the town of calling.

4425
06:27:35,300 --> 06:27:39,813
We're getting paid x number of dollars. Of course. One

4426
06:27:39,813 --> 06:27:42,973
position handling all that workload. That's where I have the

4427
06:27:42,973 --> 06:27:45,333
issue. And that goes. Back to the amount of staff

4428
06:27:45,333 --> 06:27:49,053
that goes back to, so to say, comparators. Absolutely. I'm

4429
06:27:49,053 --> 06:27:51,333
sure there are municipalities that are paying a little bit

4430
06:27:51,333 --> 06:27:54,453
more, but they're also doing the workload of double or

4431
06:27:54,453 --> 06:27:58,493
triple of three people over staff. Okay, well, I don't.

4432
06:27:58,493 --> 06:28:00,954
Know that we have information. On that. Okay. Anyone else

4433
06:28:00,954 --> 06:28:03,314
want to talk before we bring this forward? Councilor Baines.

4434
06:28:05,279 --> 06:28:10,686
No one likes. Perhaps paying this, but I think if

4435
06:28:10,686 --> 06:28:15,116
you're running an efficient organization, You have to pay people

4436
06:28:15,116 --> 06:28:19,436
a good salary. And some may disagree what the definition

4437
06:28:19,436 --> 06:28:23,400
of a good salary is, but. I think executive director

4438
06:28:23,400 --> 06:28:29,523
Pig's percentage there of turnover. Is disappointing, and I think.

4439
06:28:31,383 --> 06:28:33,303
It can only get worse if we don't pass this.

4440
06:28:33,303 --> 06:28:35,623
I think you need to get good people. You need

4441
06:28:35,623 --> 06:28:37,863
to keep good people, and you need to pay for

4442
06:28:37,863 --> 06:28:40,503
good people, and that's what I think this does, and

4443
06:28:40,503 --> 06:28:43,263
that's why I'm supportive of it. Okay, we'll bring this

4444
06:28:43,263 --> 06:28:45,863
to a vote, then. All those in favor? P 55.

4445
06:28:47,677 --> 06:28:53,443
On 2345 opposed. That's four that passes. Thank you. Okay,

4446
06:28:53,443 --> 06:29:00,215
next item is. The capital. What's this person called? I

4447
06:29:00,215 --> 06:29:08,265
can't find a song report here. Okay. You have to

4448
06:29:08,265 --> 06:29:10,305
help me out here, CEO. Why can't I find it?

4449
06:29:11,936 --> 06:29:16,016
I believe it's called the capital asset manager. Looking up

4450
06:29:16,016 --> 06:29:21,756
myself here, And because this is a new position. For

4451
06:29:21,756 --> 06:29:24,516
us. Should council approve it? Could you just take a

4452
06:29:24,516 --> 06:29:29,672
moment and explain? Exactly what this person would do. Sure.

4453
06:29:33,720 --> 06:29:36,640
In an attachment to the report. If anyone wanted to

4454
06:29:36,640 --> 06:29:40,000
look it up later is the asset manager. Position or

4455
06:29:40,000 --> 06:29:45,051
the capital asset manager position. And this is taking on

4456
06:29:45,051 --> 06:29:48,291
some net new work. It's not work that largely we're

4457
06:29:48,291 --> 06:29:51,011
doing now, and I think I'm going to just point

4458
06:29:51,011 --> 06:29:55,373
out briefly to you. A couple of the things that

4459
06:29:55,373 --> 06:29:59,647
we already do. We do basic asset tracking. Annual capital

4460
06:29:59,647 --> 06:30:04,288
submissions done by the department. 's planning and design and

4461
06:30:04,288 --> 06:30:07,568
construction of $100 million of work per year or more.

4462
06:30:09,169 --> 06:30:12,809
And corporate coordination. But the new position would be providing

4463
06:30:12,809 --> 06:30:17,249
dedicated leadership to integrate, analyze, and optimize our asset portfolio.

4464
06:30:18,413 --> 06:30:23,213
With better evidence based capital planning, asset management expertise, regulatory

4465
06:30:23,213 --> 06:30:26,702
compliance. And that type of thing. And I want to

4466
06:30:26,702 --> 06:30:32,119
just talk briefly about the asset management expertise. Sometimes it's

4467
06:30:32,119 --> 06:30:37,823
hard for people who aren't in the municipal world. To

4468
06:30:37,823 --> 06:30:40,969
understand this work. But it's like as if you have

4469
06:30:40,969 --> 06:30:44,491
one roof. And maybe you run some apartment buildings you've

4470
06:30:44,491 --> 06:30:47,296
got. The roof. You want to get in there and

4471
06:30:47,296 --> 06:30:49,896
replace those shingles when they first start to. Come off

4472
06:30:49,896 --> 06:30:54,216
before someone's bathroom has started to decay because you haven't

4473
06:30:54,216 --> 06:30:56,536
fixed the roof. And then sometimes you can even get

4474
06:30:56,536 --> 06:30:58,336
up on those roofs a little early and look at

4475
06:30:58,336 --> 06:31:00,456
the shingles that haven't even come off yet and make

4476
06:31:00,456 --> 06:31:02,456
sure that they're taken care of on a nice sunny

4477
06:31:02,456 --> 06:31:04,176
day in the summer instead of the middle of the

4478
06:31:04,176 --> 06:31:08,572
winter. But if you multiply that over the billion dollars

4479
06:31:08,572 --> 06:31:13,329
of assets that the municipality has, it becomes quite. A

4480
06:31:13,329 --> 06:31:19,937
big process. However, the outcomes. Can be advantageous for us.

4481
06:31:21,692 --> 06:31:24,452
We spend about 100 million. It does fluctuate quite a

4482
06:31:24,452 --> 06:31:25,972
bit. We have a lot going. Out the door a

4483
06:31:25,972 --> 06:31:27,932
bit more than that right now because of our water

4484
06:31:27,932 --> 06:31:31,892
treatment plant, but if we can make decisions that would

4485
06:31:31,892 --> 06:31:34,492
stretch our dollars further or put the money in the

4486
06:31:34,492 --> 06:31:39,922
right places. There's a potential that of the about 80,000

4487
06:31:39,922 --> 06:31:42,002
that would come from taxes for this, it could be

4488
06:31:42,002 --> 06:31:45,668
more than offset within the 100 million. The other thing

4489
06:31:45,668 --> 06:31:48,708
that we're really putting our brains to right now is

4490
06:31:48,708 --> 06:31:53,324
that. We are down about 15 million, and I hope.

4491
06:31:54,732 --> 06:31:56,252
We could figure out a way to make that a

4492
06:31:56,252 --> 06:31:59,652
lot less if we could figure out our asset management

4493
06:31:59,652 --> 06:32:04,386
investments. Some of that will be. To some of that.

4494
06:32:07,591 --> 06:32:12,612
Will be. To change our asset management target condition levels,

4495
06:32:12,612 --> 06:32:14,852
we may need to reduce some. Some of that may

4496
06:32:14,852 --> 06:32:18,572
be retiring assets. But that work would also be the

4497
06:32:18,572 --> 06:32:21,052
work of this position. And the final piece. That's been

4498
06:32:21,052 --> 06:32:25,612
a lot of pressure lately is the development charges. The

4499
06:32:25,612 --> 06:32:27,972
province has changed the timing of when a lot of

4500
06:32:27,972 --> 06:32:30,408
development charges will come in and. There's quite a bit

4501
06:32:30,408 --> 06:32:34,128
of pressure to relook at what municipalities are charging for.

4502
06:32:34,128 --> 06:32:40,028
Development charges. So the capital planning involved in updating development

4503
06:32:40,028 --> 06:32:43,668
charges and coordinating that work with the work from master

4504
06:32:43,668 --> 06:32:48,792
plans and the asset management plan. Is a level of

4505
06:32:48,792 --> 06:32:52,272
sophistication that we haven't had to get to in the

4506
06:32:52,272 --> 06:32:54,992
past. I'm sure that's more than you expected, mayor, but

4507
06:32:54,992 --> 06:32:58,432
I just wanted. To do the position justice. Thank you.

4508
06:32:58,432 --> 06:33:04,330
And what department would this person slot into? The expertise

4509
06:33:04,330 --> 06:33:07,610
would be engineering and finance. But our proposal is that

4510
06:33:07,610 --> 06:33:10,930
the person would be from the finance department. The intention

4511
06:33:10,930 --> 06:33:15,155
is that it's a central, non siloed position. They probably

4512
06:33:15,155 --> 06:33:17,795
will do most of their work with the infrastructure department,

4513
06:33:17,795 --> 06:33:19,835
but there's pieces of it that they would work with

4514
06:33:19,835 --> 06:33:25,527
parks. And others to coordinate our entire capital program. And

4515
06:33:25,527 --> 06:33:29,087
our minor capital program, which would include public works. And

4516
06:33:29,087 --> 06:33:33,007
the concept is to cover half of the cost, which

4517
06:33:33,007 --> 06:33:36,922
was 80,000. Through taxes. And where does the other half

4518
06:33:36,922 --> 06:33:41,200
come from? I think that would be. A question for

4519
06:33:41,200 --> 06:33:45,347
Treasurer Graham, please. Treasure Graham. Thank you. It comes from

4520
06:33:45,347 --> 06:33:49,587
our OSAF allocation. So OSAF allows us to allocate 80,000

4521
06:33:49,587 --> 06:33:54,547
up to $80,000 to staffing work on asset management. Okay.

4522
06:33:54,547 --> 06:33:58,626
And that's? An ongoing. Amount. Okay, would anyone like to

4523
06:33:58,626 --> 06:34:03,724
move this as an item? Councilor Dougherty. And we have

4524
06:34:03,724 --> 06:34:08,202
a second. I don't think anyone understood what you said.

4525
06:34:08,202 --> 06:34:17,555
Sorry. Okay, good. Yes, councilor

4526
06:34:17,555 --> 06:34:23,794
reigned. I just have a question before. Seconding or a

4527
06:34:23,794 --> 06:34:28,594
second or for councilor Dougherty's motion, and that is if.

4528
06:34:28,594 --> 06:34:31,034
For whatever reason, we decided to defer this one year.

4529
06:34:31,034 --> 06:34:34,874
Does the Osam grant still exist? Next year for the

4530
06:34:34,874 --> 06:34:39,783
funding of half of this. Pressure three. Mayor yes, it

4531
06:34:39,783 --> 06:34:49,660
does. No second. Okay. Is this relating to this motion,

4532
06:34:49,660 --> 06:34:52,500
or is this a different point? While it's relating to

4533
06:34:52,500 --> 06:34:57,878
what we just heard from the Cao. Well, it's not

4534
06:34:57,878 --> 06:35:01,592
on the table. There's nothing to be said. Okay, next.

4535
06:35:04,308 --> 06:35:13,260
The next item is. The accelerator position. So just to

4536
06:35:13,260 --> 06:35:19,180
remind you, the gentleman came who is running our accelerator

4537
06:35:19,180 --> 06:35:24,007
and made his pitch for 130,000. He's the sole employee

4538
06:35:24,007 --> 06:35:29,650
there with someone else who is there part time. In

4539
06:35:29,650 --> 06:35:31,210
fact, I don't think he's an employee. I think. Well,

4540
06:35:31,210 --> 06:35:37,291
anyway, just matter. How that worked. Pardon? It does matter.

4541
06:35:37,291 --> 06:35:38,851
Oh, I was going to say, I think he's an

4542
06:35:38,851 --> 06:35:43,571
independent contractor. I think that's how they've arranged his compensation

4543
06:35:43,571 --> 06:35:50,414
with the board there. So he gets half of his

4544
06:35:50,414 --> 06:35:54,094
funding from Collingwood this year and half from the federal

4545
06:35:54,094 --> 06:35:57,414
government. The federal government's funding, as I understand, will run

4546
06:35:57,414 --> 06:36:03,722
out after 26, if I understood that correctly. He has

4547
06:36:03,722 --> 06:36:08,479
gone to other municipalities and. They have not been agreeable

4548
06:36:08,479 --> 06:36:13,159
to funding this position. So it's whether we want the

4549
06:36:13,159 --> 06:36:21,618
accelerator to continue. Counselor, bacolic. Thank you. Mary Hamlin. The

4550
06:36:21,618 --> 06:36:24,378
one thing I walked away from after that presentation was

4551
06:36:24,378 --> 06:36:27,538
that there was no stipulation that the business be located

4552
06:36:27,538 --> 06:36:31,938
in Collingwood, and neighboring municipalities had not stepped up to

4553
06:36:31,938 --> 06:36:34,338
the table. So I take issue with the fact that

4554
06:36:34,338 --> 06:36:38,205
we're funding businesses that exist elsewhere. And I don't know

4555
06:36:38,205 --> 06:36:41,485
how much that impacts the funding request, but I think

4556
06:36:41,485 --> 06:36:46,205
that needs to be addressed. Okay. Thank you, Councilor Jeffrey.

4557
06:36:46,205 --> 06:36:49,045
Thank you, Mayor Hamlin. So if we did the funding.

4558
06:36:49,045 --> 06:36:51,925
Can we make that stipulation? I mean, when you make

4559
06:36:51,925 --> 06:36:54,445
a donation to anywhere. To organizations. You can say where

4560
06:36:54,445 --> 06:36:57,688
you want the money to go to. Cao, can you

4561
06:36:57,688 --> 06:37:03,946
respond? Thank you. Through the chair. Yes. In the past

4562
06:37:03,946 --> 06:37:06,946
we have made the stipulation that businesses had to be

4563
06:37:06,946 --> 06:37:10,666
in town. Of Collingwood. There have been some challenges with

4564
06:37:10,666 --> 06:37:18,651
that in interpreting. Where businesses are based. And I don't

4565
06:37:18,651 --> 06:37:23,193
know if Director Valentine may have more to say. On

4566
06:37:23,193 --> 06:37:27,310
that one. But certainly, if you did choose to fund

4567
06:37:27,310 --> 06:37:30,630
the accelerator again, I would be very supportive of wanting

4568
06:37:30,630 --> 06:37:37,542
to prioritize Collingwood businesses for any supports provided. And also.

4569
06:37:39,786 --> 06:37:45,125
That the accelerator has been doing work. In the ideation

4570
06:37:45,125 --> 06:37:48,725
and growth as well. Or the ideation than sort of

4571
06:37:48,725 --> 06:37:52,605
small business side. As well as that larger piece, which

4572
06:37:52,605 --> 06:37:56,325
is all about getting investors and really magnifying the growth

4573
06:37:56,325 --> 06:38:00,005
of businesses. And we do have the small business enterprise

4574
06:38:00,005 --> 06:38:04,798
center that does that. Original ideation and in. Initial sort

4575
06:38:04,798 --> 06:38:06,758
of. You don't have any employees or you have one

4576
06:38:06,758 --> 06:38:09,958
or two and you're. Just building your business. So items

4577
06:38:09,958 --> 06:38:13,718
that really focus the accelerator on those businesses in Collingwood.

4578
06:38:13,718 --> 06:38:17,198
That are approaching readiness for that spurt of growth would

4579
06:38:17,198 --> 06:38:20,532
also be quite positive. If I can also just add

4580
06:38:20,532 --> 06:38:25,979
a fact that he mentioned when he was here. The

4581
06:38:25,979 --> 06:38:30,267
funding that comes from the federal government. Was contingent on

4582
06:38:30,267 --> 06:38:33,427
it being spent in a broader region, like, I think

4583
06:38:33,427 --> 06:38:39,160
it was Simcoe Gray. And Bruce. And so in particular,

4584
06:38:39,160 --> 06:38:42,460
I think they wanted to make sure. He was involved

4585
06:38:42,460 --> 06:38:48,038
over. Where the nuclear Bruce nuclear expansions going on because.

4586
06:38:49,939 --> 06:38:54,179
There's, I don't know, many, many millions of dollars of

4587
06:38:54,179 --> 06:38:57,532
new business that's. Going to come out of that. And

4588
06:38:57,532 --> 06:39:02,699
the other thing he mentioned was. Almost all of his

4589
06:39:02,699 --> 06:39:07,554
mentors come from town of Blue Mountains. So it wasn't

4590
06:39:07,554 --> 06:39:11,274
exactly you could draw a line around Collingwood, but I

4591
06:39:11,274 --> 06:39:14,714
just wanted to. Add those points that you had. Okay.

4592
06:39:16,091 --> 06:39:17,771
The other thing that's on my mind, if I could

4593
06:39:17,771 --> 06:39:21,931
say, is it really struck me. When he was here,

4594
06:39:21,931 --> 06:39:25,771
that there needed to be more coordination between the work

4595
06:39:25,771 --> 06:39:29,851
he does and the work of our economic development manager

4596
06:39:29,851 --> 06:39:39,451
because. There was some. Cross things I thought they were

4597
06:39:39,451 --> 06:39:41,971
getting and they were both looking at the same thing,

4598
06:39:41,971 --> 06:39:44,251
and perhaps this is what the CEO was just saying.

4599
06:39:45,638 --> 06:39:48,718
And I would be in support of some funding going

4600
06:39:48,718 --> 06:39:55,602
if there was some time to cooperation and coordination. with

4601
06:39:55,602 --> 06:39:59,157
our economic development department So those are all my thoughts,

4602
06:39:59,157 --> 06:40:04,485
Councilor Jeffrey. Thank you, Mar Hamlin. Well. I'd like to

4603
06:40:04,485 --> 06:40:11,935
move that we. Invest the $130,000 into the accelerator. On

4604
06:40:11,935 --> 06:40:15,495
the stipulation that our investment, they can spend the Fed

4605
06:40:15,495 --> 06:40:18,975
money wherever they want, but. Our investment would be spent

4606
06:40:18,975 --> 06:40:23,215
on Collingwood businesses and coordinating with our economic development department.

4607
06:40:24,553 --> 06:40:27,473
Okay. Would there be a seconder for that? Councilor Dougherty?

4608
06:40:27,473 --> 06:40:32,617
Further comments. Councilor Paynes. I have a hard time supporting

4609
06:40:32,617 --> 06:40:36,577
130. But on the other hand, at this point, if.

4610
06:40:38,267 --> 06:40:40,187
We suggested 80 or a lesser amount. I'm not sure

4611
06:40:40,187 --> 06:40:43,387
that's the critical mass. For him to continue doing that

4612
06:40:43,387 --> 06:40:47,672
function in that position, so. It's an untenable situation for

4613
06:40:47,672 --> 06:40:49,952
me, as I just think 130 is a little rich.

4614
06:40:52,100 --> 06:40:53,740
I think it's what we put into it the last

4615
06:40:53,740 --> 06:40:56,764
few years. I think this would be a good year.

4616
06:40:56,764 --> 06:41:00,124
And perhaps once we're finished, the budget discussions. But a

4617
06:41:00,124 --> 06:41:04,069
good year to just sort of drill down. Into how

4618
06:41:04,069 --> 06:41:08,592
the accelerator is organized, how we can better. Align everything

4619
06:41:08,592 --> 06:41:15,236
with our own. Initiatives. Councilor Perry thanks, Mayor Hamill. And

4620
06:41:15,236 --> 06:41:18,916
I totally agree with Councilor Jeffrey. The only question I

4621
06:41:18,916 --> 06:41:23,431
have is. How do you track it? I'm not sure

4622
06:41:23,431 --> 06:41:27,473
how you would do that. It looks like councilor McCallick

4623
06:41:27,473 --> 06:41:32,223
might have an idea. Councilor McCullough. Thank you. You read

4624
06:41:32,223 --> 06:41:35,303
my mind. I would like to see some reporting as

4625
06:41:35,303 --> 06:41:38,103
in other agencies and people that we deal with. So

4626
06:41:38,103 --> 06:41:42,281
we gave you 130. How did you spend it? Who

4627
06:41:42,281 --> 06:41:46,504
did you give it to? And how often should we

4628
06:41:46,504 --> 06:41:49,820
ask for this reporting? I can't think twice a year.

4629
06:41:51,725 --> 06:41:57,025
Minimum. More. Quarterly? I don't know. It's up to you

4630
06:41:57,025 --> 06:42:04,204
guys. Motion. Counseling. I just like to add. We have

4631
06:42:04,204 --> 06:42:07,164
been giving them the money, and it sounds like it's

4632
06:42:07,164 --> 06:42:10,564
a good investment, but. It still bother me that it's

4633
06:42:10,564 --> 06:42:14,364
called South Georgian Bay and nobody else gives them any?

4634
06:42:14,364 --> 06:42:20,810
Money. Okay, so we give them the $130,000. Okay, we're

4635
06:42:20,810 --> 06:42:22,450
going to hopefully come up with a solution, how to

4636
06:42:22,450 --> 06:42:24,690
track that to see what he's doing with the money,

4637
06:42:24,690 --> 06:42:27,842
but the last two or three years. When he comes

4638
06:42:27,842 --> 06:42:30,322
back and makes his sales pitch to us for the

4639
06:42:30,322 --> 06:42:33,364
money for the following year. He talks about same business

4640
06:42:33,364 --> 06:42:38,832
as they did previous year. Impossible metals must be because

4641
06:42:38,832 --> 06:42:41,672
he talks about them all the time. 90% of his

4642
06:42:41,672 --> 06:42:45,352
pitches for them, which is they're doing great things. Don't

4643
06:42:45,352 --> 06:42:51,591
get me wrong. And they're maybe worth it. But. I

4644
06:42:51,591 --> 06:42:55,631
don't know how we're getting 130,000. Yeah, I curious, is

4645
06:42:55,631 --> 06:42:57,871
he? Still working with them, or is this just old

4646
06:42:57,871 --> 06:43:05,875
news? Right? Yeah, exactly. Deputy mayor. Thank you. Mayor Hamlin

4647
06:43:05,875 --> 06:43:09,869
and I spoke about this last meeting. I not supportive

4648
06:43:09,869 --> 06:43:14,309
of carrying on with the business accelerator? Because the initiative

4649
06:43:14,309 --> 06:43:17,029
that we're putting forward is to hire another staff person

4650
06:43:17,029 --> 06:43:21,973
to economic development. Out of the Mat funding. And it

4651
06:43:21,973 --> 06:43:24,207
would have to be on an. Ongoing basis out of

4652
06:43:24,207 --> 06:43:28,293
the mount funding. Because. It's not coming back on the

4653
06:43:28,293 --> 06:43:33,051
taxes. And. I would need to see a lot because

4654
06:43:33,051 --> 06:43:38,608
it talks also as well. We're putting 35,000 towards. Economic

4655
06:43:38,608 --> 06:43:44,002
Development Action plan. That we're getting a $35,000 grant for,

4656
06:43:44,002 --> 06:43:48,522
so I'm not supportive. Of putting another 130 into economic

4657
06:43:48,522 --> 06:43:52,823
development. And then wait for reporting. I'd like to see

4658
06:43:52,823 --> 06:43:55,183
the action plan. I'd like to see how we're going

4659
06:43:55,183 --> 06:43:59,688
to incorporate the new staff person. If it's just going

4660
06:43:59,688 --> 06:44:04,048
to be doing exactly what this accelerator was doing, then

4661
06:44:04,048 --> 06:44:08,391
that's. Great. I'm just not going to support putting $130,000

4662
06:44:08,391 --> 06:44:16,761
towards the accelerator. Director Valentine. Would the person. Who's been

4663
06:44:16,761 --> 06:44:20,843
proposed to be at a technic development. Be doing the

4664
06:44:20,843 --> 06:44:25,654
same kind of work as the accelerator. Thank you, chair.

4665
06:44:25,654 --> 06:44:27,774
And through you at this point in time, we had

4666
06:44:27,774 --> 06:44:30,574
proposed that that position would work on driving forward the

4667
06:44:30,574 --> 06:44:39,340
tourism master plan. A different bucket of tasks, separate and

4668
06:44:39,340 --> 06:44:38,429
apart from the accelerator. But I would underscore. and the

4669
06:44:38,429 --> 06:44:43,864
downtown master plan so it would be The comments previously

4670
06:44:43,864 --> 06:44:47,184
made by I believe it was Cao Skinner that the

4671
06:44:47,184 --> 06:44:53,912
accelerator does duplicate with the sBAC. So. They were initially

4672
06:44:53,912 --> 06:44:56,712
set up to be only the growth phase of businesses,

4673
06:44:56,712 --> 06:45:00,352
with the SBEC taking care of ideation and launch. And

4674
06:45:00,352 --> 06:45:02,432
then we found that there was a missing step within

4675
06:45:02,432 --> 06:45:05,192
our ecosystem. How do we get those who have been

4676
06:45:05,192 --> 06:45:08,032
successful at ideation and launch to then move? Towards that

4677
06:45:08,032 --> 06:45:12,323
scaling upward growth phase. As I understand it, the accelerator

4678
06:45:12,323 --> 06:45:16,430
couldn't find that critical mass within our area. So they

4679
06:45:16,430 --> 06:45:19,637
opened up. What they were offering to businesses and now

4680
06:45:19,637 --> 06:45:23,957
duplicate on those initial two phases with the aspect so

4681
06:45:23,957 --> 06:45:26,957
it's that duplication that I would be perhaps more concerned

4682
06:45:26,957 --> 06:45:31,348
about than the new staff. Person that's being proposed. So

4683
06:45:31,348 --> 06:45:35,355
perhaps I'll just ask you then. The motion that's on

4684
06:45:35,355 --> 06:45:39,474
the floor right now is about coordinating. Do you feel?

4685
06:45:41,508 --> 06:45:45,812
That. can happen and we can get some benefit out

4686
06:45:45,812 --> 06:45:49,378
of having because it was struck me About Peter was.

4687
06:45:49,378 --> 06:45:53,698
He's so well connected with the businesses and the mentors

4688
06:45:53,698 --> 06:45:58,474
in our area, and I'd hate to lose that. But

4689
06:45:58,474 --> 06:46:02,167
what are your thoughts on that? Thank you, Mayor Hamlin.

4690
06:46:05,784 --> 06:46:11,253
As. Staff have communicated with council. It is somewhat difficult

4691
06:46:11,253 --> 06:46:14,733
for us to support a full 130,000. Given that only

4692
06:46:14,733 --> 06:46:18,053
four businesses from Collingwood were supported last year with our

4693
06:46:18,053 --> 06:46:27,687
contribution, and we are the only municipal contributor. hearing i

4694
06:46:27,687 --> 06:46:30,207
think what councilor jeffrey is suggesting though if i'm correct

4695
06:46:30,207 --> 06:46:33,607
on her intention is that full 130,000 be directed towards

4696
06:46:33,607 --> 06:46:32,726
collingwood businesses which is a different scenario If those businesses

4697
06:46:32,726 --> 06:46:36,006
can be found, we would certainly welcome more collaboration with

4698
06:46:36,006 --> 06:46:40,143
the accelerator. We have made some overtures and attempts in

4699
06:46:40,143 --> 06:46:43,903
the past, and they haven't been too successful. But I

4700
06:46:43,903 --> 06:46:48,623
think if the accelerator hears Council's desire for additional coordination

4701
06:46:48,623 --> 06:46:52,310
and that that be tied to the funding that. That

4702
06:46:52,310 --> 06:46:54,673
would be a nice push in the right direction. Okay.

4703
06:46:54,673 --> 06:47:02,916
And Councilor Jeffrey. I heard a possible amendment. From? I

4704
06:47:02,916 --> 06:47:06,883
don't know who would have been, but anyway. It had

4705
06:47:06,883 --> 06:47:10,163
to do with financial reporting. Financial reporting, I'm happy to

4706
06:47:10,163 --> 06:47:13,283
add quarterly financial reporting. Okay. The feds are going to

4707
06:47:13,283 --> 06:47:20,669
require stats anyway. okay so here is the motion that

4708
06:47:20,669 --> 06:47:22,149
councilor jeffries put on the table

4709
06:47:32,835 --> 06:47:42,273
Does that cover? Cover it? Okay. And I just want

4710
06:47:42,273 --> 06:47:47,313
to ask. Who seconded this? Yes, Councilor Dori. Are you

4711
06:47:47,313 --> 06:47:52,051
happy with those changes? Yeah, okay. So you want to

4712
06:47:52,051 --> 06:47:55,611
speak again? Yeah. I'm going to ask for clarification to

4713
06:47:55,611 --> 06:47:59,456
see if I recall correctly from the report. Did it.

4714
06:47:59,456 --> 06:48:03,398
Talk about succession planning. And the fact that there was

4715
06:48:03,398 --> 06:48:07,078
going to be a new person becoming involved in running

4716
06:48:07,078 --> 06:48:11,845
the accelerator. Or do I recall that incorrectly? I didn't

4717
06:48:11,845 --> 06:48:17,885
read that. But. Director Valentine. Did you see that? Thank

4718
06:48:17,885 --> 06:48:22,621
you. Chair through you. I've not seen that directly. In

4719
06:48:22,621 --> 06:48:27,229
any written correspondence. I've heard that there's potential for staff

4720
06:48:27,229 --> 06:48:29,749
turnover, but I think some of it depends on council's

4721
06:48:29,749 --> 06:48:33,669
decision tonight and how that will affect the accelerator's operations

4722
06:48:33,669 --> 06:48:36,829
and. If they are able to move forward. With their

4723
06:48:36,829 --> 06:48:40,269
current staff compliment or have a change up in someone

4724
06:48:40,269 --> 06:48:44,000
of a hell more additional staff. People. So, mayor hamlin.

4725
06:48:46,011 --> 06:48:47,891
It can only have come from the report that I

4726
06:48:47,891 --> 06:48:52,693
remember. Read that. and i guess what it was was

4727
06:48:53,437 --> 06:48:56,517
Just the possibility, right? It was just, as you say,

4728
06:48:56,517 --> 06:49:01,466
that there was a possibility of success. Succession. At the

4729
06:49:01,466 --> 06:49:06,360
accelerator. But again, I'm not supportive of it going forward.

4730
06:49:07,673 --> 06:49:11,540
Okay, I actually have a question for the treasurer. If

4731
06:49:11,540 --> 06:49:15,642
this motion passes. How do the funds get distributed to

4732
06:49:15,642 --> 06:49:19,682
the excel operator? And what's on my mind is if

4733
06:49:19,682 --> 06:49:23,638
the gentleman running it leaves. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you,

4734
06:49:23,638 --> 06:49:28,600
Mayor Hamlin. In the past, We receive a payment requisition

4735
06:49:28,600 --> 06:49:31,960
from the folks in Ectev based on the signed memo

4736
06:49:31,960 --> 06:49:34,560
of understanding, and it stipulates when the payments are to

4737
06:49:34,560 --> 06:49:36,925
be made. Okay. I would have to look at what

4738
06:49:36,925 --> 06:49:41,643
the entity's name is. That we're making the payment to

4739
06:49:41,643 --> 06:49:44,403
be 100%, but it would tie into whatever the memo

4740
06:49:44,403 --> 06:49:47,763
of understanding was it's not made to the specific individual.

4741
06:49:47,763 --> 06:49:54,576
It's made to. Entity. All right. Okay. Director Valentine. Do

4742
06:49:54,576 --> 06:49:57,896
you know how often those payments are made? Is it

4743
06:49:57,896 --> 06:50:01,943
more than once a year? Through you chair. My recollection

4744
06:50:01,943 --> 06:50:10,100
for the MoU for 2025. That there was one lump

4745
06:50:10,100 --> 06:50:12,500
sum payment and then there was a hold back for

4746
06:50:12,500 --> 06:50:16,820
the reporting, so. It was essentially two payments, but staff

4747
06:50:16,820 --> 06:50:21,596
would certainly be supportive. Of payments being tied to the

4748
06:50:21,596 --> 06:50:27,569
reporting that council. Desires. Further amendment. Further amendment.

4749
06:50:34,879 --> 06:50:36,639
Yes. So the clerk would just need to add in

4750
06:50:36,639 --> 06:50:46,607
that payment, be tied to the financial reporting. Does

4751
06:50:46,607 --> 06:50:48,487
anyone need to see that up on the screen or

4752
06:50:48,487 --> 06:50:57,567
is that straightforward? Okay. No more comments. All those in

4753
06:50:57,567 --> 06:51:06,055
favor? 12345. Those opposed? 1234. Okay, so that carries.

4754
06:51:12,917 --> 06:51:22,894
I covered everything. Have a look. Two

4755
06:51:22,894 --> 06:51:24,934
stair seat lifts at the Eddie Bush.

4756
06:51:34,701 --> 06:51:42,377
I'll leave that for now. It's a pretty hard one.

4757
06:51:44,528 --> 06:51:48,528
Is there anything we've left out here? Oh, Councilor Dorothy,

4758
06:51:48,528 --> 06:51:53,248
are you still thinking? No. Go ahead. The CCAT requires

4759
06:51:53,248 --> 06:52:02,581
over 40,000. Right. Thank you. Right. Did you want to

4760
06:52:02,581 --> 06:52:08,041
bring a motion on that? yes i will bring a

4761
06:52:08,041 --> 06:52:12,201
motion on that and i will add that the degree

4762
06:52:12,201 --> 06:52:16,201
to which they work with and coordinate with our climate

4763
06:52:16,201 --> 06:52:21,882
change specialist Is. You could not. Get a staff person

4764
06:52:21,882 --> 06:52:25,238
for that annual amount. For the work that they do.

4765
06:52:26,909 --> 06:52:31,226
They're valuable to the community, and I think. That's a

4766
06:52:31,226 --> 06:52:34,913
very good investment. Yeah, definitely second that. Anyone like to

4767
06:52:34,913 --> 06:52:42,905
second the motion? Councilor Jeffrey, any comments? Councilor Potts. Thanks,

4768
06:52:42,905 --> 06:52:47,925
mayor Hamlin. Still not 100% decided on this. Only thing

4769
06:52:47,925 --> 06:52:49,965
with a three year equipment is I'd hate to throw

4770
06:52:49,965 --> 06:52:54,770
that commitment on the next council for. A two year

4771
06:52:54,770 --> 06:52:58,370
commitment. So I'll wait to hear what my colleagues. I

4772
06:52:58,370 --> 06:53:00,730
understand the work. They put in and certainly do. But

4773
06:53:00,730 --> 06:53:04,010
it's when you're throwing that kind of commitment out there.

4774
06:53:06,369 --> 06:53:10,388
I'm still undecided at this point. Okay. Which of our

4775
06:53:10,388 --> 06:53:14,942
staff could comment on whether. It's a three year commitment.

4776
06:53:16,510 --> 06:53:20,648
Is helpful. Executive director. Thank you. Mayor. If I may,

4777
06:53:20,648 --> 06:53:22,488
I'd like to make just a couple of comments about

4778
06:53:22,488 --> 06:53:25,968
the request overall, please. Thank you. So, first of all,

4779
06:53:25,968 --> 06:53:29,088
of course, staff want to acknowledge the work. That CCAT

4780
06:53:29,088 --> 06:53:32,808
has done specifically in working with our climate change specialists,

4781
06:53:32,808 --> 06:53:35,488
but also in general, in that portfolio, working with all

4782
06:53:35,488 --> 06:53:42,019
staff. We do have several examples where CCAT has been

4783
06:53:42,019 --> 06:53:46,499
instrumental in moving projects forward, specifically our greener Homes Better

4784
06:53:46,499 --> 06:53:50,099
Futures Project Earth Fest. They were key leads in 2024

4785
06:53:50,099 --> 06:53:56,240
and 2025. Participation in municipal climate initiatives like our community

4786
06:53:56,240 --> 06:54:00,000
climate Action Plan. They were very involved in the consultation

4787
06:54:00,000 --> 06:54:04,487
process and working with Tamarac on that project. If council

4788
06:54:04,487 --> 06:54:07,967
did desire to proceed with funding to CCAT, it would

4789
06:54:07,967 --> 06:54:12,167
be staff's recommendation. That that was tied to projects specifically

4790
06:54:12,167 --> 06:54:15,848
that were linked to town purposes. That would just help

4791
06:54:15,848 --> 06:54:19,088
ensure that the initiatives that CCAT worked on were tied

4792
06:54:19,088 --> 06:54:21,768
to, for example, our community climate action plan or a

4793
06:54:21,768 --> 06:54:26,196
corporate climate action plan. Because certainly they do bring a

4794
06:54:26,196 --> 06:54:29,236
great skill set and additional capacity that we don't have.

4795
06:54:29,236 --> 06:54:33,710
In house today. But. It would be definitely beneficial if

4796
06:54:33,710 --> 06:54:39,676
it was tied to town projects. Got it. What do

4797
06:54:39,676 --> 06:54:44,558
you think, mover? I think really similarly to our last

4798
06:54:44,558 --> 06:54:49,933
scenario that you do stipulate that it's specific to. Collingwood

4799
06:54:49,933 --> 06:54:52,333
projects, and I do understand the necessity of having to

4800
06:54:52,333 --> 06:54:55,333
have the momentum that some of these projects go over

4801
06:54:55,333 --> 06:54:57,973
more than one year, so you can't fund them from

4802
06:54:57,973 --> 06:55:00,613
this year. And then they find out next year they

4803
06:55:00,613 --> 06:55:02,173
may or may not get funding, and they don't. Know

4804
06:55:02,173 --> 06:55:05,249
if they can keep going with it. And I think

4805
06:55:05,249 --> 06:55:08,689
financial reporting is also important piece of this. Maybe not

4806
06:55:08,689 --> 06:55:16,006
as often, but. I think. Maybe. Even annually or semiannually,

4807
06:55:16,006 --> 06:55:21,146
something. Do you think, executive director, how often? If they

4808
06:55:21,146 --> 06:55:23,106
were going to report to us on their funding, would

4809
06:55:23,106 --> 06:55:26,026
you suggest, or do you have a thought? Thank you.

4810
06:55:26,026 --> 06:55:29,426
Mary Hamlin, I think semiannually. Would be more than sufficient.

4811
06:55:29,426 --> 06:55:33,786
We do have regular communications with CCAT, so I'm confident

4812
06:55:33,786 --> 06:55:37,746
that that would be an appropriate number. Okay, that's great.

4813
06:55:37,746 --> 06:55:40,625
Who? Is the secondor on this one? Do we have

4814
06:55:40,625 --> 06:55:45,076
a honey? Who moved it? All right. So are you

4815
06:55:45,076 --> 06:55:50,640
happy with the changes here? Which. Yes. Okay. All right.

4816
06:55:50,640 --> 06:55:55,389
And you're happy? Okay. I'm all happy. Deputy mayor. Thank

4817
06:55:55,389 --> 06:55:58,629
you, Mayor Hamlin. So just clarification, this is just single

4818
06:55:58,629 --> 06:56:04,372
year. They asked for commitment for. We can't tie the

4819
06:56:04,372 --> 06:56:11,176
hands of the next council. That's what I'm saying. For

4820
06:56:11,176 --> 06:56:13,650
the year. My understanding from the mover is that we're

4821
06:56:13,650 --> 06:56:22,630
doing the three year. I can't support. Tying hands, as

4822
06:56:22,630 --> 06:56:27,454
you say of next council in regards to CCAT. And

4823
06:56:27,454 --> 06:56:32,174
tremendous work, tremendous people. The energy level is unbelievable in

4824
06:56:32,174 --> 06:56:36,607
what they've done. So I can't support, though, for a

4825
06:56:36,607 --> 06:56:39,207
three year allocation when we've got one. Year left in

4826
06:56:39,207 --> 06:56:43,476
term. The other question I was going to ask is

4827
06:56:43,476 --> 06:56:46,916
they outlined it as 25,000 to go. To core operations,

4828
06:56:46,916 --> 06:56:51,476
including their director of community engagement and 15,000 to program

4829
06:56:51,476 --> 06:56:56,689
support. So I was wondering. If the motion was looking

4830
06:56:56,689 --> 06:57:00,489
to allocate that differently. But in any event, because it's.

4831
06:57:00,489 --> 06:57:04,470
Three years. I can't support it. I actually am not

4832
06:57:04,470 --> 06:57:08,630
concerned with the three years, because if they're doing semiannually,

4833
06:57:08,630 --> 06:57:14,206
reporting. If they're not meeting their targets, we would hear

4834
06:57:14,206 --> 06:57:19,443
this from our staff. And this could be discussed at

4835
06:57:19,443 --> 06:57:25,074
the next budget. I sort of quite understand. They've been

4836
06:57:25,074 --> 06:57:28,074
working hard for our community as volunteers for a number

4837
06:57:28,074 --> 06:57:32,523
of years now. And there is some sense to have

4838
06:57:32,523 --> 06:57:36,163
a continuity of funding available so they can make plans

4839
06:57:36,163 --> 06:57:39,761
for the next year. So I think also I'll support

4840
06:57:39,761 --> 06:57:45,755
the motion. Any other comments? I think. We're ready to

4841
06:57:45,755 --> 06:57:53,732
vote now. All those in favor? 123456 those opposed. One,

4842
06:57:53,732 --> 06:58:00,934
two, three. That passes. Thank you. Councilor Potts. The rugby

4843
06:58:00,934 --> 06:58:05,827
irrigation. Yeah. So I think you had mentioned earlier that

4844
06:58:05,827 --> 06:58:14,168
they could potentially come out of. Some other charges. I

4845
06:58:14,168 --> 06:58:15,808
think we still have to have a motion for that.

4846
06:58:18,136 --> 06:58:23,247
Yes. I put that motion on the table, whatever. Okay,

4847
06:58:23,247 --> 06:58:27,612
I think it was. To think. Staff reported further, but.

4848
06:58:29,667 --> 06:58:33,467
It was to proceed with the plan proposed by staff

4849
06:58:33,467 --> 06:58:36,867
to irrigate the rugby field and that it would come

4850
06:58:36,867 --> 06:58:40,307
from development charges in the amount of 55,000. Did I

4851
06:58:40,307 --> 06:58:48,760
get that? Right. Treasure. Is that for you? Yes. I'd

4852
06:58:48,760 --> 06:58:50,920
be happy to speak to that. The dollar amount is

4853
06:58:50,920 --> 06:58:53,760
correct. I don't. Believe that this is DC eligible, though

4854
06:58:53,760 --> 06:59:00,123
it would come from our lifecycle reserve. Lifecycle reserve. There

4855
06:59:00,123 --> 06:59:04,079
we go. Thank you. Okay. So we have a mover.

4856
06:59:05,857 --> 06:59:13,445
Seconder council ring comment councilor Baines. It's through you, mayor.

4857
06:59:13,445 --> 06:59:15,405
If the treasurer could just tell us what does that

4858
06:59:15,405 --> 06:59:19,005
will that. Bring the lifecycle reserve down. I'm sure it's

4859
06:59:19,005 --> 06:59:24,837
just. -54,000. Yes, go ahead. 56. I wouldn't be able

4860
06:59:24,837 --> 06:59:28,437
to do an accurate amount right now. I could tell

4861
06:59:28,437 --> 06:59:32,917
you what 2024 reserve is, but we're still funding 2025

4862
06:59:32,917 --> 06:59:40,184
capital. I couldn't quite answer that. Do you want to

4863
06:59:40,184 --> 06:59:50,026
know what the 24 number was? Sure. Okay. Yeah,

4864
06:59:50,026 --> 06:59:58,662
I figured as much. But. The 2024 is 7.3 million.

4865
06:59:58,662 --> 07:00:04,409
Okay? We can afford it. Thank you. Councilor ring. Just

4866
07:00:04,409 --> 07:00:09,733
a quick question through you. Too. I'm assuming the director

4867
07:00:09,733 --> 07:00:14,539
of finance. I seconded it and I will support it,

4868
07:00:14,539 --> 07:00:17,179
but I'm wondering if we have to. Why would this

4869
07:00:17,179 --> 07:00:25,315
not be? Through our insurance. My understanding was. Was this

4870
07:00:25,315 --> 07:00:28,555
damage to this system was done with somebody driving around.

4871
07:00:30,037 --> 07:00:33,640
A motor vehicle. On the arc. Did we know that?

4872
07:00:33,640 --> 07:00:37,041
Or is that my hearing rumors? I heard it was

4873
07:00:37,041 --> 07:00:39,441
damaged with somebody driving around in a truck or something

4874
07:00:39,441 --> 07:00:44,636
on the property. And the repairs have got to be

4875
07:00:44,636 --> 07:00:47,972
done. Maybe I'm just hearing rumors. How long ago would

4876
07:00:47,972 --> 07:00:51,739
that have been, do you know? It'd be a couple

4877
07:00:51,739 --> 07:00:52,979
of years. It's been a couple of years since they

4878
07:00:52,979 --> 07:00:56,939
haven't had it working right. Well, I think our clerk

4879
07:00:56,939 --> 07:01:00,198
could take that away. And find out more about it.

4880
07:01:01,476 --> 07:01:06,450
Director. Cuba? Yes, go ahead. Thank you, sir. You. I

4881
07:01:06,450 --> 07:01:09,370
will say this is not a report that I've received.

4882
07:01:10,338 --> 07:01:13,178
Not to say it isn't factual, but it's not something

4883
07:01:13,178 --> 07:01:16,243
that I have learned. Of. In my research. My understanding

4884
07:01:16,243 --> 07:01:22,958
is that. Just over the years. This particular field is

4885
07:01:22,958 --> 07:01:26,632
really close to the bedrock. And so the irrigation system

4886
07:01:26,632 --> 07:01:30,180
is. That much closer underneath the surface. And when it

4887
07:01:30,180 --> 07:01:35,047
was used. For soccer. It could withstand a little bit

4888
07:01:35,047 --> 07:01:36,647
more, but rugby is a lot harder on the field,

4889
07:01:36,647 --> 07:01:41,833
and so we were just getting constant. Repairs needing done

4890
07:01:41,833 --> 07:01:43,913
and just could not keep up with that. So that's

4891
07:01:43,913 --> 07:01:47,776
why we find ourselves a place of needing. A full

4892
07:01:47,776 --> 07:01:53,006
replacement and. A different maintenance program to maintain a new

4893
07:01:53,006 --> 07:01:57,806
system being used by rugby. Okay. Councilor ring. Thank you.

4894
07:01:59,446 --> 07:02:02,086
I apologize. But I had heard that, and I thought

4895
07:02:02,086 --> 07:02:05,286
it was common knowledge. That's why I'm. Asking the question

4896
07:02:05,286 --> 07:02:07,926
I guess I should ask before we started, but I'll

4897
07:02:07,926 --> 07:02:10,166
support it. I mean, it's got to be done. I

4898
07:02:10,166 --> 07:02:12,326
just was trying to save the town some. Money. If

4899
07:02:12,326 --> 07:02:17,826
that's the case. Good thinking. Okay. Councilor Potts. Yeah, just

4900
07:02:17,826 --> 07:02:21,546
quick. Mayor Hamlin. So what was reported to me through

4901
07:02:21,546 --> 07:02:27,006
the ask and through the request was that. It was

4902
07:02:27,006 --> 07:02:31,006
damaged. And it wasn't that long ago that the field

4903
07:02:31,006 --> 07:02:35,086
was rehabilitated. With topsoil to kind of cover up what

4904
07:02:35,086 --> 07:02:40,484
the damage was. And the irrigation piece. Was damaged and

4905
07:02:40,484 --> 07:02:44,183
not repaired. That'd be about a year ago, maybe even

4906
07:02:44,183 --> 07:02:46,383
a bit longer. So, through the last summer. Was the

4907
07:02:46,383 --> 07:02:50,695
heavy drought. Which turned the field almost into concrete, so.

4908
07:02:53,029 --> 07:02:56,429
Happy to see that it can get repaired. Not happy

4909
07:02:56,429 --> 07:03:00,069
to see that it would cost $58,000. To repair it,

4910
07:03:00,069 --> 07:03:03,189
but I guess it's a step in the right direction.

4911
07:03:04,383 --> 07:03:06,783
Okay, so I'll bring this to a vote then. This

4912
07:03:06,783 --> 07:03:09,583
is on the irrigation system to. Be paid for from

4913
07:03:09,583 --> 07:03:16,031
the lifecycle reserve. All those in favor. And that's unanimous.

4914
07:03:16,031 --> 07:03:22,949
Thank you. Have I left out any of the. Items

4915
07:03:22,949 --> 07:03:25,989
in the staff report or that anyone else wanted to

4916
07:03:25,989 --> 07:03:33,239
raise. Councilor jeffrey. I wanted to have conversation about council

4917
07:03:33,239 --> 07:03:37,536
remunery. Of course. Go ahead. Thanks. I'm not sure what

4918
07:03:37,536 --> 07:03:42,528
the amount should be, honestly. I read through comparators, but

4919
07:03:42,528 --> 07:03:46,408
for some reason, town of Blue Mountains was not considered

4920
07:03:46,408 --> 07:03:51,079
fully but. I googled it today, and they're at 49,000.

4921
07:03:52,519 --> 07:03:56,039
Including that includes benefits for those who are taking them.

4922
07:03:57,971 --> 07:04:04,121
We're around the 30. Thousand. Base rate. The treasurer can

4923
07:04:04,121 --> 07:04:09,785
correct me if I'm wrong, but if I proposed. A

4924
07:04:09,785 --> 07:04:17,086
5000 annual per. Counselor. Increase for this budget.

4925
07:04:20,621 --> 07:04:24,341
It would be the 5000 divided by 52 weeks times

4926
07:04:24,341 --> 07:04:31,306
six weeks plus 8%. Estimated. For 623. Seven times seven

4927
07:04:31,306 --> 07:04:38,881
members would be around $4,500. Impact on. The. 20. What

4928
07:04:38,881 --> 07:04:42,828
did I say? 4500? Yeah. What did I say? Yeah.

4929
07:04:44,884 --> 07:04:49,050
Well. That's my calculations I get for six weeks. I

4930
07:04:49,050 --> 07:04:52,964
didn't understand all those. $5,000 annual. Right? So if you

4931
07:04:52,964 --> 07:04:56,564
divide by 52 weeks in a year, multiply. Six weeks.

4932
07:04:56,564 --> 07:04:59,564
So wait, 52 weeks in a year is how much?

4933
07:05:02,680 --> 07:05:09,345
I think I got 576 97. 576, 97 or 92.

4934
07:05:10,680 --> 07:05:12,440
Am I ready? And then I added 8% to get

4935
07:05:12,440 --> 07:05:17,520
to 623, seven per each, so. What's 8%? Where did

4936
07:05:17,520 --> 07:05:21,894
that come from? Just for benefits or whatever? Benefits. Are

4937
07:05:21,894 --> 07:05:27,436
the benefits based on salary? Well, it's just a calculation

4938
07:05:27,436 --> 07:05:33,132
we use in forecasting for estimates. Okay. All right. Yeah,

4939
07:05:33,132 --> 07:05:39,587
I got so 623, seven times seven people. Is 43.

4940
07:05:39,587 --> 07:05:43,227
61 49. So I just said 4500. That's for 20.

4941
07:05:45,698 --> 07:05:55,466
That's weekly. No. 5000 divided by 52 times six. Oh.

4942
07:05:55,466 --> 07:05:59,296
Maybe I did something wrong. I'm only doing six weeks

4943
07:05:59,296 --> 07:06:04,195
for 2026, right? Six weeks. That's all there is, six

4944
07:06:04,195 --> 07:06:09,880
weeks in 2026. In 25. No, the elections aren't until

4945
07:06:09,880 --> 07:06:18,962
2026. Yeah. Pretty good. I'm just. Counsel, okay? Yes. You

4946
07:06:18,962 --> 07:06:21,962
didn't clarify that, but I totally understand that we've done

4947
07:06:21,962 --> 07:06:25,791
that previously. Three times. As I said, it's politically difficult.

4948
07:06:27,371 --> 07:06:28,371
Increase your own. And I'm not going to sit here

4949
07:06:28,371 --> 07:06:32,341
and increase hours at this point. Okay. I mean, if

4950
07:06:32,341 --> 07:06:36,907
you wanted to suggest that you. 're sold with $4,500

4951
07:06:36,907 --> 07:06:41,227
for 2026. So then when you get to 2027, annually.

4952
07:06:45,516 --> 07:06:48,036
It's the 5000 plus whatever the benefits are, times seven,

4953
07:06:48,036 --> 07:06:53,756
so it's around $40,000. Difference for 2027. But I think

4954
07:06:53,756 --> 07:06:57,716
for what we're investing and what we're going to expect,

4955
07:06:57,716 --> 07:07:04,689
two years out. For the new people coming. Into or

4956
07:07:04,689 --> 07:07:08,553
whoever's sitting around the table here to invest. I think

4957
07:07:08,553 --> 07:07:12,319
that that's reasonable. Yeah. Okay. Would there be a seconder

4958
07:07:12,319 --> 07:07:18,009
for this? Councilor Dougherty. Okay, Castor Baines, just to put

4959
07:07:18,009 --> 07:07:20,609
this in perspective, a good friend. Of mine who's a

4960
07:07:20,609 --> 07:07:23,249
counselor in the township at Georgian Bay, where my cottages.

4961
07:07:25,282 --> 07:07:33,307
31,000 a year. 7600 permanent residents, about 13,000. Seasonal residents,

4962
07:07:33,307 --> 07:07:40,376
but Holy moly. It's quite a difference. Thanks. they're probably

4963
07:07:40,376 --> 07:07:47,544
not building wastewater treatment plants Okay. Yeah. Deputy Mayor thank

4964
07:07:47,544 --> 07:07:51,824
you, Mayor Hamlin. And if I recall from the governance

4965
07:07:51,824 --> 07:07:55,648
report correctly, That'll mean the councilors have paid the same

4966
07:07:55,648 --> 07:07:59,450
amount as the deputy mayor. Going into the next term.

4967
07:08:01,158 --> 07:08:06,971
And. I have no problem supporting the change for the.

4968
07:08:09,073 --> 07:08:10,953
It probably is a little bit based on the fact

4969
07:08:10,953 --> 07:08:13,233
that there is potential for the deputy mayor. To be

4970
07:08:13,233 --> 07:08:16,793
going up quite a bit with the change, but if

4971
07:08:16,793 --> 07:08:20,433
the government comes through and says, that the downsizing happens.

4972
07:08:21,956 --> 07:08:25,593
Then the deputy will be the alternate. And only making

4973
07:08:25,593 --> 07:08:27,873
what the perm meeting fee is at this point in

4974
07:08:27,873 --> 07:08:32,265
time because we don't know how the allocation goes. As

4975
07:08:32,265 --> 07:08:35,225
I said, I have no problem with supporting more compensation

4976
07:08:35,225 --> 07:08:44,048
for counselors. I think you do have to do something

4977
07:08:44,048 --> 07:08:48,386
with the deputy mayor position for 27 as well. And

4978
07:08:48,386 --> 07:08:50,626
again, because I think there does need to be a

4979
07:08:50,626 --> 07:08:57,843
differential between the counselor and. I'm recalling. As I say,

4980
07:08:57,843 --> 07:08:59,643
I don't have it in front of me. I'm recalling

4981
07:08:59,643 --> 07:09:04,710
that the report said that. The 35 for the deputy

4982
07:09:04,710 --> 07:09:09,615
mayor and 30 for. The counselors. So if you're adding

4983
07:09:09,615 --> 07:09:12,815
the five, that's why I'm. Saying. I believe then counselors

4984
07:09:12,815 --> 07:09:16,126
and deputy mayor would be at the same amount. Yes,

4985
07:09:16,126 --> 07:09:19,126
go ahead. Thank you. So understanding that they would be

4986
07:09:19,126 --> 07:09:22,979
at the same base rate. I'm not sure what the

4987
07:09:22,979 --> 07:09:25,219
fairness of that is, but you have the potential for

4988
07:09:25,219 --> 07:09:33,122
47,000. At county. I'm not sure. I think if you

4989
07:09:33,122 --> 07:09:35,962
want to deal with that in 2026 for the 2020.

4990
07:09:37,561 --> 07:09:41,301
Seven budget. Whoever's doing that. That you would have more

4991
07:09:41,301 --> 07:09:48,321
facts than. I'm talking about six weeks in 2026. We

4992
07:09:48,321 --> 07:09:50,241
could add five to the deputy mayor if that's what

4993
07:09:50,241 --> 07:09:53,371
we want to do to keep it even. For the

4994
07:09:53,371 --> 07:10:02,008
treasurer. Could we add an amount? That would apply. Like

4995
07:10:02,008 --> 07:10:05,728
we're going to know. Within a few months, I would

4996
07:10:05,728 --> 07:10:09,930
expect, whether or not the province. Is going to leave

4997
07:10:09,930 --> 07:10:13,969
the deputy mayor positions at the county or not. So

4998
07:10:13,969 --> 07:10:16,769
if the deputy mayor positions are left at the county,

4999
07:10:16,769 --> 07:10:22,512
there would be a substantial increase. Can we make it?

5000
07:10:22,512 --> 07:10:24,592
And because this won't kick in till the end of

5001
07:10:24,592 --> 07:10:28,731
next year. Can we make a decision contingent. So in

5002
07:10:28,731 --> 07:10:32,571
other words, it would increase, let's say, 5000. For the

5003
07:10:32,571 --> 07:10:38,447
deputy mayor position. Unless the deputy mayor is still sitting

5004
07:10:38,447 --> 07:10:41,767
at county because the salary at GLoB 47, I just

5005
07:10:41,767 --> 07:10:45,752
want to hear from the treasurer, please. Well, I don't

5006
07:10:45,752 --> 07:10:48,472
remember. You were in the middle of a question. Well,

5007
07:10:48,472 --> 07:10:55,257
sorry, I'll. Come back to you shortly. Okay, let me

5008
07:10:55,257 --> 07:10:57,897
just ask the councilor and are the treasurer and we'll

5009
07:10:57,897 --> 07:10:59,937
come right. Back to you. Yeah, go ahead. Can we

5010
07:10:59,937 --> 07:11:04,137
do contingent kind of thanks? Thank you, Mayor Hamlin. For

5011
07:11:04,137 --> 07:11:07,497
this dollar amount. Absolutely. So if we're looking at six

5012
07:11:07,497 --> 07:11:12,577
weeks at $5,000 for one member, that's less than $650.

5013
07:11:15,927 --> 07:11:19,367
so absolutely cancel can vote later to include that $650

5014
07:11:20,033 --> 07:11:24,519
Without an issue. Thank you, deputy mayor. So that's what

5015
07:11:24,519 --> 07:11:26,159
I was going to say to the councilor. Would a

5016
07:11:26,159 --> 07:11:32,035
friendly amendment be to include the 5000 for 26. For

5017
07:11:32,035 --> 07:11:37,435
deputy mayor and know that the next council will know

5018
07:11:37,435 --> 07:11:40,755
when they're trying to deal. With going forward. The impact

5019
07:11:40,755 --> 07:11:43,635
in 27. So that's what I was going to suggest.

5020
07:11:45,254 --> 07:11:49,473
And it's on the premise that the belief is. At

5021
07:11:49,473 --> 07:11:53,113
this point in time, there needs to be that differential.

5022
07:11:54,849 --> 07:11:56,809
And then that may change depending on what the problem

5023
07:11:56,809 --> 07:12:00,998
decides. So that was going to be a friendly amendment.

5024
07:12:00,998 --> 07:12:03,118
That's fine. I think you and the mayor and the

5025
07:12:03,118 --> 07:12:06,236
treasure are all saying the same thing. So that's fine.

5026
07:12:07,774 --> 07:12:09,814
The second or whatever is willing. We just include that

5027
07:12:09,814 --> 07:12:12,854
the 5000 annual differential for the six weeks for the

5028
07:12:12,854 --> 07:12:19,768
deputy mayor as well. Yeah. But rather than leaving it

5029
07:12:19,768 --> 07:12:23,724
on the next council, To have to change the compensation.

5030
07:12:25,156 --> 07:12:28,430
Within the few weeks in their first budget. I would

5031
07:12:28,430 --> 07:12:32,990
just like to have a consideration that if the Deputy

5032
07:12:32,990 --> 07:12:35,630
mayor is going to be at the county that the

5033
07:12:35,630 --> 07:12:39,957
increase not be given. I don't know. That's sort of

5034
07:12:39,957 --> 07:12:43,197
what's on my mind, because that would be really a

5035
07:12:43,197 --> 07:12:50,347
lot of an increase otherwise. Hard to say. I think

5036
07:12:50,347 --> 07:12:59,094
that if we budgeted for the $650. Times. Six weeks

5037
07:12:59,094 --> 07:13:04,535
or whatever it is. Well, we start November 15. We

5038
07:13:04,535 --> 07:13:08,575
started last term, so it wasn't a full November. I

5039
07:13:08,575 --> 07:13:12,175
don't think. Anyway, the clerk has a card up. Yeah,

5040
07:13:12,175 --> 07:13:18,994
per commas. Certainly part of through your worship to council

5041
07:13:18,994 --> 07:13:24,234
part of the information and nomination packages are counsel indicate

5042
07:13:24,234 --> 07:13:28,249
what the remuneration is. And further to the staff report

5043
07:13:28,249 --> 07:13:32,129
that was presented on November the 17th, the deputy mayor's

5044
07:13:32,129 --> 07:13:36,478
salary would be. For? I believe it's 2026. Or it

5045
07:13:36,478 --> 07:13:39,358
could be. With the applicable coal, I can't. Remember offhand.

5046
07:13:39,358 --> 07:13:47,158
It's $35,509 in a counselor's. Salary is 30,079. So that

5047
07:13:47,158 --> 07:13:51,678
would mean the council members would be making $400. Less

5048
07:13:51,678 --> 07:13:56,389
than the deputy mayor. So I was amending mine to

5049
07:13:56,389 --> 07:13:59,709
do the 5000 for the counselors plus the deputy mayor.

5050
07:14:02,768 --> 07:14:07,368
Moving forward. Moving forward. And then 2026 budget people can

5051
07:14:07,368 --> 07:14:13,075
do whatever they need to do. And. Can we ask

5052
07:14:13,075 --> 07:14:16,835
staff to raise this as an issue in 26? Yeah,

5053
07:14:16,835 --> 07:14:20,375
okay. All right. So what is the motion? I think

5054
07:14:20,375 --> 07:14:23,815
we understand what the motion is. Any other comments, councilor?

5055
07:14:23,815 --> 07:14:29,041
Ring. I'm not going to support this motion. We just

5056
07:14:29,041 --> 07:14:35,830
sat here. And turned down. I voted against staff for

5057
07:14:35,830 --> 07:14:40,030
P 55 and turn around and say whether I'm running

5058
07:14:40,030 --> 07:14:44,634
again. Or get elected again. I don't feel comfortable. Increasing.

5059
07:14:47,357 --> 07:14:54,212
Council salary when. I voted against all the ones for

5060
07:14:54,212 --> 07:14:59,848
staff, so I'm going to vote against this. okay We

5061
07:14:59,848 --> 07:15:01,608
get call anyways, right? So it's not. You're not going

5062
07:15:01,608 --> 07:15:04,768
to get. An increase. We get call adjustments every year

5063
07:15:04,768 --> 07:15:09,078
anyway. Deputy mayor. Thank you, Mayor Hamlin. And I'm not

5064
07:15:09,078 --> 07:15:11,478
going to support it as well. I'm just letting everybody

5065
07:15:11,478 --> 07:15:18,426
know. Okay. Other comments. Councilor Baines.

5066
07:15:23,681 --> 07:15:28,739
I think Councilor Jeffrey has proposed a modest. Increase. Which

5067
07:15:28,739 --> 07:15:32,419
is necessary to attract other potential candidates to sit in

5068
07:15:32,419 --> 07:15:35,499
these seats. So I'm fully in support of it. Thank

5069
07:15:35,499 --> 07:15:38,259
you. Okay. Thank you, Councilor Ring. Thank you very much.

5070
07:15:39,684 --> 07:15:45,565
Is this a motive to get better counselors? Because we're

5071
07:15:45,565 --> 07:15:48,405
saying here that we're not getting quality people unless we

5072
07:15:48,405 --> 07:15:51,484
pay them. So. I'm kind of like. I don't know

5073
07:15:51,484 --> 07:15:56,578
what we. Don't think it's supposed to take here and

5074
07:15:56,578 --> 07:16:01,311
to get good people to get quality people. Got to

5075
07:16:01,311 --> 07:16:03,867
pay them a little bit more. I was always running

5076
07:16:03,867 --> 07:16:10,527
through my mind. Is to get people. Who? Have to

5077
07:16:10,527 --> 07:16:20,052
be independently working or independently. Retired and can

5078
07:16:20,052 --> 07:16:23,452
otherwise support themselves. Right? But someone has a full time

5079
07:16:23,452 --> 07:16:26,692
job to take off the time that's required to be

5080
07:16:26,692 --> 07:16:33,766
accounting. I would expect 30,000 doesn't necessarily enumerate everybody, but

5081
07:16:33,766 --> 07:16:36,566
I don't. Know. That's my thought on it, Councilor Jeffrey.

5082
07:16:36,566 --> 07:16:38,646
Well, I am self employed and. I can tell you,

5083
07:16:38,646 --> 07:16:42,766
Miraman, that the hours that we do these meetings in

5084
07:16:42,766 --> 07:16:46,224
the billable hours that I lose. I don't even think

5085
07:16:46,224 --> 07:16:48,944
I break even. So I think that if you want

5086
07:16:48,944 --> 07:16:51,904
to attract younger people. If you look at the average

5087
07:16:51,904 --> 07:16:54,784
age of this council, other than this young guy, right?

5088
07:16:54,784 --> 07:16:59,026
Here. I think that we want to be building a

5089
07:16:59,026 --> 07:17:04,127
farm team and succession planning. And interest, and right now.

5090
07:17:05,267 --> 07:17:07,747
I don't know that we're seeing a lot of interest

5091
07:17:07,747 --> 07:17:11,806
in terms of running. For council. So I think the

5092
07:17:11,806 --> 07:17:14,326
better job we do of making it attractive, and this

5093
07:17:14,326 --> 07:17:16,726
is just one piece. Like I said, I felt there

5094
07:17:16,726 --> 07:17:18,966
would have been a more robust discussion on time of

5095
07:17:18,966 --> 07:17:24,549
meetings. Length of meetings. All the other factors that go.

5096
07:17:25,664 --> 07:17:32,687
Into making. It. Attractive or possible, even possible for younger

5097
07:17:32,687 --> 07:17:40,519
people to run. Councilor putts. Thanks. Mary Hamlin. The only

5098
07:17:40,519 --> 07:17:45,377
reason I would support this. I've advocated being somebody who

5099
07:17:45,377 --> 07:17:48,177
works and raises a family and does all the in

5100
07:17:48,177 --> 07:17:53,604
between. during every day If we had meetings in the

5101
07:17:53,604 --> 07:17:57,324
evenings and we're able to accommodate other things, but we

5102
07:17:57,324 --> 07:17:59,524
seem to do everything during the day when you have

5103
07:17:59,524 --> 07:18:04,514
to take time away from work and. You have to

5104
07:18:04,514 --> 07:18:08,314
be almost self employed or have a very understanding employer,

5105
07:18:08,314 --> 07:18:11,114
which I've had. Over the last couple of years now

5106
07:18:11,114 --> 07:18:14,745
into my own thing, but. I just look at again,

5107
07:18:14,745 --> 07:18:17,105
this goes back to there's no reason why we can't.

5108
07:18:19,323 --> 07:18:20,843
If we don't want to give an adjustment, there's no

5109
07:18:20,843 --> 07:18:24,748
reason why we can't. Be doing things after hours. And

5110
07:18:24,748 --> 07:18:28,383
at different times. But if we continue to schedule. Everything

5111
07:18:28,383 --> 07:18:31,303
at 02:00 in the afternoon or 11:00 in the morning.

5112
07:18:31,303 --> 07:18:34,783
This is, unfortunately if you do want to attract the

5113
07:18:34,783 --> 07:18:38,103
generations that you're hoping to get on the other hand.

5114
07:18:39,637 --> 07:18:42,317
If you do an increase. Sometimes if you get people

5115
07:18:42,317 --> 07:18:44,677
that just want to sign up for the money. It's

5116
07:18:44,677 --> 07:18:46,357
not always at the best interest of the town either.

5117
07:18:47,900 --> 07:18:51,860
But the only reason I support this again is I've

5118
07:18:51,860 --> 07:18:54,460
tried to advocate, to do things. At different hours of

5119
07:18:54,460 --> 07:18:57,660
the day, but always been turned down and not heard.

5120
07:18:57,660 --> 07:19:02,700
So I will support this motion. Okay? Thank you. I'm

5121
07:19:02,700 --> 07:19:08,264
going to support the motion as well. I do think.

5122
07:19:09,684 --> 07:19:11,684
I do think that we have to pay more for

5123
07:19:11,684 --> 07:19:13,924
our counselors, and I think this has been a problem

5124
07:19:13,924 --> 07:19:18,379
in our province for a long time. In fact, I

5125
07:19:18,379 --> 07:19:23,419
think the province should be encouraging municipal counsels to pay

5126
07:19:23,419 --> 07:19:28,179
their counselors more. Because it's really hard at this level

5127
07:19:28,179 --> 07:19:31,539
for counselors to vote themselves a pay increase. But the

5128
07:19:31,539 --> 07:19:33,579
hours that are put in by the members of the

5129
07:19:33,579 --> 07:19:39,279
council and the dedication that's. Required. Is a lot. It's

5130
07:19:39,279 --> 07:19:43,140
a lot. But anyway, I think this is a relatively

5131
07:19:43,140 --> 07:19:49,276
modest increase, and I would support it. Anything else? All

5132
07:19:49,276 --> 07:19:56,182
those in favor? And opposed. To oppose that carries. Thank

5133
07:19:56,182 --> 07:19:59,742
you. Is there anything we haven't covered here that anyone

5134
07:19:59,742 --> 07:20:06,218
can see or that they'd like raised. Okay. So I

5135
07:20:06,218 --> 07:20:08,378
think I was adding these up, but now I have

5136
07:20:08,378 --> 07:20:12,002
so many pieces of paper on the go. Treasure. Did

5137
07:20:12,002 --> 07:20:18,373
you add these up? You did. Thank you. Go ahead.

5138
07:20:18,373 --> 07:20:21,573
Thank you. And I welcome the opportunity to make sure

5139
07:20:21,573 --> 07:20:24,613
that I've included the correct amount, so this is great

5140
07:20:24,613 --> 07:20:29,488
timing. What I have noted is an increase for insurance

5141
07:20:29,488 --> 07:20:34,412
of 14,000. An additional 50,000 each to the murph in

5142
07:20:34,412 --> 07:20:37,972
art center reserve funds to be funded through the mat.

5143
07:20:37,972 --> 07:20:44,206
So zero tax increase. A reduction of 280,000 to the

5144
07:20:44,206 --> 07:20:48,686
funding source for affordable housing to not come from taxes.

5145
07:20:49,913 --> 07:20:57,373
Hr position at 54,000. P 55 at 166,000. Georgian bay

5146
07:20:57,373 --> 07:21:02,824
accelerator 130,000. CCAT funding at 40,000, but to come from

5147
07:21:02,824 --> 07:21:08,578
the green reserve. Irrigation to the rugby field. 55,000 to

5148
07:21:08,578 --> 07:21:13,178
come from lifecycle reserve and cancel remuneration increase of 5100.

5149
07:21:14,707 --> 07:21:19,724
That brings our overall. Tax rate increase the municipal town

5150
07:21:19,724 --> 07:21:27,727
portion 3.35% in an overall blended rate f 2.97%. Hey.

5151
07:21:27,727 --> 07:21:37,403
Thank you. For doing that. Can I ask clarification, please?

5152
07:21:37,403 --> 07:21:44,171
Yeah, go ahead. Get per total right now. The report

5153
07:21:44,171 --> 07:21:48,011
says it was 3.14% at this Point in time for

5154
07:21:48,011 --> 07:21:51,051
the municipal portion. So what are we saying? It is

5155
07:21:51,051 --> 07:21:59,623
now 3.35. With adding 130,000 for accelerator, 166,000.

5156
07:22:01,626 --> 07:22:11,616
For p. 55. 54,000. For. The. What's that for? The

5157
07:22:11,616 --> 07:22:15,456
staff person for HR and the 14, that comes to

5158
07:22:15,456 --> 07:22:20,336
$364,000, which I would think would be around the 0.9%.

5159
07:22:22,550 --> 07:22:28,093
Council also. Voted to reduce the affordable housing reserve contribution

5160
07:22:28,093 --> 07:22:32,253
coming from taxes by 280,000. So we're still putting 400,000.

5161
07:22:34,050 --> 07:22:38,250
To the affordable housing initiatives, but only 120,000 is funded

5162
07:22:38,250 --> 07:22:43,697
through taxes. Sorry. So the 280 is reduced from that,

5163
07:22:43,697 --> 07:22:45,697
and that has to do with the affordable housing money.

5164
07:22:48,978 --> 07:22:51,498
That was going into affordable housing. Yeah. So in total,

5165
07:22:51,498 --> 07:22:55,618
the net change is 89,100. That was so far approved

5166
07:22:55,618 --> 07:23:01,164
tonight. Thank you. Okay. Now, I think we also can

5167
07:23:01,164 --> 07:23:09,604
make a decision. About. I'll say financing part of this

5168
07:23:09,604 --> 07:23:17,093
or all of it. From the surplus that treasurer said

5169
07:23:17,093 --> 07:23:20,613
she felt comfortable on, which was the 510 to 680.

5170
07:23:22,588 --> 07:23:26,628
Or also adding more to the reserves for the murph

5171
07:23:26,628 --> 07:23:30,622
and the art center. Or affordable housing, for that matter.

5172
07:23:32,284 --> 07:23:34,124
So this total amount. Sorry, did I get something wrong?

5173
07:23:34,124 --> 07:23:38,523
Go ahead. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. I

5174
07:23:38,523 --> 07:23:41,563
was going to say. Or our asset management lifecycle. Right.

5175
07:23:41,563 --> 07:23:46,433
Which is also a very good. Okay. Right. Okay, so

5176
07:23:46,433 --> 07:23:51,553
that total amount was 364. Treasure gram. Is that right?

5177
07:23:51,553 --> 07:23:53,633
All those things that were added up, that came out

5178
07:23:53,633 --> 07:23:58,788
for taxes. Then that demand is 89,100 because we had

5179
07:23:58,788 --> 07:24:03,176
that 280,000 reduction. right

5180
07:24:08,707 --> 07:24:12,067
Okay. Anyone want to do anything with this councilor McCullough?

5181
07:24:13,956 --> 07:24:17,201
Sorry, I just have a rookie question. Are we trying

5182
07:24:17,201 --> 07:24:19,521
to work to? A number? Is there a target that

5183
07:24:19,521 --> 07:24:27,793
we're trying to. Achieve. You get to pick. Yeah.

5184
07:24:30,865 --> 07:24:33,985
So we're at 2.97. Two and a half. I had

5185
07:24:33,985 --> 07:24:40,171
suggested to staff early. On to target 2.75, but. It's

5186
07:24:40,171 --> 07:24:42,291
really the mood of the will of council, what the

5187
07:24:42,291 --> 07:24:43,291
tax increase should be.

5188
07:24:56,044 --> 07:24:59,044
I think what I'd like to suggest is, or just

5189
07:24:59,044 --> 07:25:05,908
put out to think about. So. If we say the

5190
07:25:05,908 --> 07:25:11,808
680 from the surplus is something. We could use part

5191
07:25:11,808 --> 07:25:15,615
of, let's say. I would love to see some of

5192
07:25:15,615 --> 07:25:24,476
that 280 going back into the affordable housing. And. Something

5193
07:25:24,476 --> 07:25:26,796
more into the reserves for the Murph and the art

5194
07:25:26,796 --> 07:25:31,889
center. And then also, could we reduce our tax rate

5195
07:25:31,889 --> 07:25:36,604
a bit? Okay, treasure, here's your job. Make all this

5196
07:25:36,604 --> 07:25:41,716
happen. Magic. Is any of that possible? Yeah, go ahead.

5197
07:25:41,716 --> 07:25:48,318
Just to clarify, You would like me to let you

5198
07:25:48,318 --> 07:25:51,358
know the amount we need to get to 2.5%. Municipal

5199
07:25:51,358 --> 07:25:54,569
portion, not the blended rate. Yeah, okay. One moment.

5200
07:26:28,575 --> 07:26:38,239
I'm ready. Okay, we would need approximately $375,000.

5201
07:26:40,097 --> 07:26:44,217
To be allocated from the investment analysis to achieve everything

5202
07:26:44,217 --> 07:26:49,058
that has been approved the last three meetings. To get

5203
07:26:49,058 --> 07:26:53,649
just shy of 2.5. Percent increase. Okay. And what would

5204
07:26:53,649 --> 07:26:57,769
the blended rate be if we did that? The blended

5205
07:26:57,769 --> 07:27:04,985
rate would decrease to just under 2.4%. Okay. All right,

5206
07:27:04,985 --> 07:27:09,905
so 375,000 if we wanted to get to our rate

5207
07:27:09,905 --> 07:27:16,201
of 2.5. And would there be any appetite to also

5208
07:27:16,201 --> 07:27:19,321
be putting more money into the reserves for the Murph

5209
07:27:19,321 --> 07:27:21,441
and the art center. I guess I'll put that out

5210
07:27:21,441 --> 07:27:31,282
there. Catherine doherty. But, yes, I would propose that we

5211
07:27:31,282 --> 07:27:38,174
add an additional 50. To each of the murph and

5212
07:27:38,174 --> 07:27:46,890
art center. Reserves. To be consistent with staff's initial recommendation

5213
07:27:46,890 --> 07:27:51,254
for these two reserve accounts. Would there be a second

5214
07:27:51,254 --> 07:27:56,654
or for that councilor beans. So that would add 100,000.

5215
07:27:56,654 --> 07:28:01,974
To the 375. So that would take us to 475

5216
07:28:01,974 --> 07:28:08,401
from the reserve spending. If everyone understood what that. Yeah,

5217
07:28:08,401 --> 07:28:16,999
okay. Comments Council ring. With that. We've put off of

5218
07:28:16,999 --> 07:28:24,661
the request. By councilor Jeffrey for the chairlifts for the

5219
07:28:24,661 --> 07:28:28,684
Eddie Bush. How are we going to finance them? Or

5220
07:28:28,684 --> 07:28:31,204
should we save some of this money for that? I

5221
07:28:31,204 --> 07:28:33,604
thought there maybe wasn't an appetite to deal with that.

5222
07:28:35,329 --> 07:28:36,809
I thought we just put off. Oh, I thought I

5223
07:28:36,809 --> 07:28:39,649
had invited you in, that there was no. Take up.

5224
07:28:39,649 --> 07:28:43,547
Okay. Please go ahead. Thank you. Did you follow us?

5225
07:28:45,524 --> 07:28:49,840
Yeah. The mayor looked at me at the time and

5226
07:28:49,840 --> 07:28:54,978
I just went because the staff report was. So. Every

5227
07:28:54,978 --> 07:28:56,418
time I asked for one of those, I get so

5228
07:28:56,418 --> 07:28:59,378
depressed because they make it so impossible. To get stuff

5229
07:28:59,378 --> 07:29:03,186
done. I know it's not their fault, but. We have

5230
07:29:03,186 --> 07:29:05,546
so many people who want to get up those stairs,

5231
07:29:05,546 --> 07:29:12,155
and I know we can't. Get everybody up. And. You

5232
07:29:12,155 --> 07:29:17,326
know what? Clerk almost is just reminding me we should

5233
07:29:17,326 --> 07:29:21,252
deal with one thing at a time. At 930, I

5234
07:29:21,252 --> 07:29:23,732
tend to wander a little, so I think with the

5235
07:29:23,732 --> 07:29:27,092
motion on the floor is Councilor Dougherty had put on.

5236
07:29:29,516 --> 07:29:33,236
Another 50 to each of the reserves to bring us

5237
07:29:33,236 --> 07:29:36,036
up to where the staff had suggested in budget number

5238
07:29:36,036 --> 07:29:39,276
one and councilor ranger. Just a quick follow up. And

5239
07:29:39,276 --> 07:29:41,836
that's what I was talking about this motion. I just

5240
07:29:41,836 --> 07:29:44,316
wondered whether we had the money, if we were still

5241
07:29:44,316 --> 07:29:46,684
going. To have to pay. I guess we're not going

5242
07:29:46,684 --> 07:29:49,324
to do the list and I could support this. That's.

5243
07:29:49,324 --> 07:29:54,864
Fine. I just wanted to know. Okay, I see. If

5244
07:29:54,864 --> 07:30:01,891
we added 100,000 as councilor Dougherty. Has put in as

5245
07:30:01,891 --> 07:30:07,273
a suggestion. That would take our total amount that we

5246
07:30:07,273 --> 07:30:14,454
would need. To keep at 2.5% locally. To 475. And

5247
07:30:14,454 --> 07:30:18,294
the amount is 680 that we could access from our

5248
07:30:18,294 --> 07:30:25,859
surplus, should we be so inclined. Councilor. Sorry. Deputy mayor.

5249
07:30:25,859 --> 07:30:30,509
Thank you, Mayor Hamlin. I'm not going to support it

5250
07:30:30,509 --> 07:30:34,269
with the three use of the 375 and the 280.

5251
07:30:34,269 --> 07:30:41,834
Coming out of affordable housing reserve. That's 1.6. Percent automatically

5252
07:30:41,834 --> 07:30:48,721
onto 27 budget for. Whoever's dealing with 27 budget. You're

5253
07:30:48,721 --> 07:30:52,721
taking funds to handle operation costs to get your rate

5254
07:30:52,721 --> 07:30:56,441
changed down, that's going to come back on top of

5255
07:30:56,441 --> 07:31:01,351
the next council. In my opinion, it isn't correct to

5256
07:31:01,351 --> 07:31:06,617
be using it to drive down operation costs. Well, it's

5257
07:31:06,617 --> 07:31:09,337
not. Sorry, if I can just clarify, it's not all

5258
07:31:09,337 --> 07:31:12,257
operation costs. Because the motion we have on the floor

5259
07:31:12,257 --> 07:31:17,071
is reserve funds. Yeah, I'm not supporting. The hundred from

5260
07:31:17,071 --> 07:31:21,911
the reserve funds because of the impact already being felt.

5261
07:31:23,461 --> 07:31:25,781
With the other changes that have been made. Okay. Thank

5262
07:31:25,781 --> 07:31:30,799
you. Would anyone else like to comment on this? I'm

5263
07:31:30,799 --> 07:31:33,279
just really worried if we don't start putting money into

5264
07:31:33,279 --> 07:31:39,708
this like we'll never get there. And. To me if

5265
07:31:39,708 --> 07:31:43,388
we can come up with $150,000 for this year to

5266
07:31:43,388 --> 07:31:46,808
put in. The reserve fund. That's going to be a

5267
07:31:46,808 --> 07:31:49,288
good number to get started. I mean, I know there's.

5268
07:31:49,288 --> 07:31:53,170
A bit there now. There's three for the murph, I

5269
07:31:53,170 --> 07:31:55,330
think, and one for the art center, something. Like that.

5270
07:31:57,052 --> 07:31:59,412
But we have lots of monies ahead of us to

5271
07:31:59,412 --> 07:32:06,078
plan these facilities and get going. So, Councilor Dougherty. I

5272
07:32:06,078 --> 07:32:11,182
think it also signals to our community that. We're very

5273
07:32:11,182 --> 07:32:16,075
serious about these two projects. that are in very high

5274
07:32:16,075 --> 07:32:23,797
demand Absolutely. Councilor jeffrey. Thank you so along. Councilor rings

5275
07:32:23,797 --> 07:32:27,917
thought process. It's hard to support this without having the

5276
07:32:27,917 --> 07:32:29,957
discussion because at the end of the day, I also

5277
07:32:29,957 --> 07:32:32,917
think the people who are paying the taxes and using

5278
07:32:32,917 --> 07:32:37,037
the facilities we have now deserve some consideration of having

5279
07:32:37,037 --> 07:32:41,021
some accessibility. At the Eddie Bush. So I'd rather talk

5280
07:32:41,021 --> 07:32:43,501
about what we may or may not be. Able to

5281
07:32:43,501 --> 07:32:47,639
do with the stereliphs first. And then decide what's left

5282
07:32:47,639 --> 07:32:51,284
to go into the future planning. So you're asking.

5283
07:32:58,330 --> 07:33:00,370
what are you asking for i'm asking to hold off

5284
07:33:00,370 --> 07:33:02,273
on the 100,000 until we talk about the stairs Are

5285
07:33:02,273 --> 07:33:07,554
you groupal to that, Councilor Dougherty? Yes. Okay. Stairless it

5286
07:33:07,554 --> 07:33:14,514
is. Would you like to address that issue? I do.

5287
07:33:14,514 --> 07:33:21,283
I started. So I've lost it in here where stuff

5288
07:33:21,283 --> 07:33:28,045
had the report. But. I think. If I could ask

5289
07:33:28,045 --> 07:33:31,994
Director Cuba just to remind us what the cost. Options

5290
07:33:31,994 --> 07:33:34,154
were in terms of addressing it. And I know, I

5291
07:33:34,154 --> 07:33:42,757
understand the one isn't fully. Oada. But. Oh, is it

5292
07:33:42,757 --> 07:33:48,930
okay? Sorry. I thought it was. Well. It's responsible. Stand

5293
07:33:48,930 --> 07:33:52,530
up. Go ahead, executive director. Peg. Yeah. Thank you. Mayor

5294
07:33:52,530 --> 07:33:55,650
Hamlin through. To Councilor Jeffrey. So in the report. And

5295
07:33:55,650 --> 07:33:59,730
I'll start by apologizing. Certainly. Don't mean to dishearten counsel

5296
07:33:59,730 --> 07:34:03,035
with some of the reports around. What's possible. We did

5297
07:34:03,035 --> 07:34:06,790
start looking into. What might be options for council to

5298
07:34:06,790 --> 07:34:09,590
consider and quickly realize that we don't have access. To

5299
07:34:09,590 --> 07:34:14,486
all the information we need. To give the best advice.

5300
07:34:14,486 --> 07:34:17,646
Hence why in the recommendation we were suggesting if we

5301
07:34:17,646 --> 07:34:20,006
wanted to go. Forward. If council did desire to go

5302
07:34:20,006 --> 07:34:22,286
forward, that we went out to the market with a

5303
07:34:22,286 --> 07:34:26,288
request. For information. So that we could see what is

5304
07:34:26,288 --> 07:34:31,475
possible in a commercial setting. Unfortunately, when looking online, there's

5305
07:34:31,475 --> 07:34:35,515
lots of options that are potentially available for residential there

5306
07:34:35,515 --> 07:34:39,275
are some that say they're commercial. But there are building

5307
07:34:39,275 --> 07:34:43,115
permits involved, engineering assessments that may need to be involved,

5308
07:34:43,115 --> 07:34:48,187
we would recommend consultation with our accessibility advisory committee. And

5309
07:34:48,187 --> 07:34:55,557
it therefore starts to feel. Very. Prohibitive. Which isn't the

5310
07:34:55,557 --> 07:34:59,856
intention when we understand that this would be. A very

5311
07:34:59,856 --> 07:35:04,525
positive step for accessibility. The costs are anywhere from the

5312
07:35:04,525 --> 07:35:10,117
research we are able to do online, from 10,000. To

5313
07:35:10,117 --> 07:35:14,985
a million dollars, depending on what option council selected. Chairlift

5314
07:35:14,985 --> 07:35:19,658
option was between 10,000 to 20,000. But we did have

5315
07:35:19,658 --> 07:35:23,621
some concerns. On their ability to be installed in a

5316
07:35:23,621 --> 07:35:28,550
commercial setting and had some liability questions as well. Estimates.

5317
07:35:30,915 --> 07:35:35,491
For the platform lift was 40,000 80,000. But again, we'd

5318
07:35:35,491 --> 07:35:40,131
want more information. From suppliers to know if that estimate

5319
07:35:40,131 --> 07:35:43,011
was accurate. And then when you get into elevators, you're.

5320
07:35:43,011 --> 07:35:48,824
At a million dollars plus. So, basically. We recognize that

5321
07:35:48,824 --> 07:35:51,543
this is a good move. In a positive direction for

5322
07:35:51,543 --> 07:35:54,623
accessibility, but would need to ask the market what's possible.

5323
07:35:56,060 --> 07:36:00,180
And what assessments would be required should council direct staff

5324
07:36:00,180 --> 07:36:03,907
to. Go out and purchase a chair lick, there would

5325
07:36:03,907 --> 07:36:06,347
be a process. We'd have to go. Through for building

5326
07:36:06,347 --> 07:36:10,067
permits, et cetera, similar to any other commercial setting in

5327
07:36:10,067 --> 07:36:13,961
our town. And I realized that was a long answer,

5328
07:36:13,961 --> 07:36:16,961
but no. Make sure you have the right advice. No.

5329
07:36:16,961 --> 07:36:21,996
Appreciate that very much. So the problem in terms of

5330
07:36:21,996 --> 07:36:24,876
timing, and maybe you can help me with this through

5331
07:36:24,876 --> 07:36:28,596
the mirror. Is, once we get to this RFI process

5332
07:36:28,596 --> 07:36:31,276
is the same as what councilor Potts? Was already saying

5333
07:36:31,276 --> 07:36:33,636
before about the planning for the open space. All of

5334
07:36:33,636 --> 07:36:35,756
a sudden, you're. A year and a half. You're two

5335
07:36:35,756 --> 07:36:41,509
years out. And. It's municipal government is the worst possible

5336
07:36:41,509 --> 07:36:48,669
place to get things done. So I guess.

5337
07:36:52,265 --> 07:37:02,173
The ask would be to put in. I guess up

5338
07:37:02,173 --> 07:37:08,277
to 100,000. That would facilitate either. Two lifts and or

5339
07:37:08,277 --> 07:37:13,776
a platform lift. And then have staff start the process

5340
07:37:13,776 --> 07:37:18,430
of looking into it, knowing the funding was there. Looks

5341
07:37:18,430 --> 07:37:24,249
like maybe it's 80,000. Is the platform, lister. Between 40

5342
07:37:24,249 --> 07:37:28,852
and 80. Yeah, but. There's always some other cost plus

5343
07:37:28,852 --> 07:37:33,133
that goes into having. To do the research or whatever.

5344
07:37:35,162 --> 07:37:37,402
Well, maybe that's quite a difference. I wish maybe could.

5345
07:37:37,402 --> 07:37:40,562
I'll ask when it's my turn to talk. Go ahead.

5346
07:37:40,562 --> 07:37:44,042
That's fine. If it's 80,000 we can do 80,000. I'm

5347
07:37:44,042 --> 07:37:48,053
not sure. If we only need the two chairlifts, there's

5348
07:37:48,053 --> 07:37:51,777
going to be some money left. Over. If there's a

5349
07:37:51,777 --> 07:37:56,272
commercial way of doing that. That. Doesn't open us up

5350
07:37:56,272 --> 07:38:00,606
to vulnerability in terms of liability. And I'd like to

5351
07:38:00,606 --> 07:38:03,406
put that place marker in there. We did such a

5352
07:38:03,406 --> 07:38:06,686
fabulous job. With our facilities in 2008 with the Ontario

5353
07:38:06,686 --> 07:38:10,366
Paralympic Winter championships, the curling club, whatever. But we've. Really

5354
07:38:10,366 --> 07:38:15,851
fallen behind in terms of that accessibility. In our older

5355
07:38:15,851 --> 07:38:19,371
facilities, and I think this is one case where we

5356
07:38:19,371 --> 07:38:21,291
can do a bit of catch up in a building

5357
07:38:21,291 --> 07:38:24,211
that's used for a lot of functions and for people

5358
07:38:24,211 --> 07:38:26,331
who would really like to get to that next level.

5359
07:38:27,678 --> 07:38:31,430
In the warmer. Okay, councilor. Pause. Thanks, Mary. Evelyn, I

5360
07:38:31,430 --> 07:38:34,955
have a question. I'm assuming through. You to executive director

5361
07:38:34,955 --> 07:38:39,395
peg if there is an individual currently tomorrow that requested

5362
07:38:39,395 --> 07:38:42,435
to access the second level of the Eddie Bush that

5363
07:38:42,435 --> 07:38:47,407
had. Accessibility challenges, and they couldn't get up there. What

5364
07:38:47,407 --> 07:38:52,175
do we tell them? How do we relay that? How

5365
07:38:52,175 --> 07:38:55,673
are we dealing with it now? If there was that

5366
07:38:55,673 --> 07:39:01,473
situation. Go ahead. Thank you, Mayor Hamlin. Through to councilor

5367
07:39:01,473 --> 07:39:03,833
pod. So it would be definitely on. A case by

5368
07:39:03,833 --> 07:39:09,064
case scenario. And also we'd be looking at. What is

5369
07:39:09,064 --> 07:39:11,304
the item that they're looking to access that was on

5370
07:39:11,304 --> 07:39:14,064
the second floor and could it be something that could

5371
07:39:14,064 --> 07:39:18,304
be accessed depending on the individual's abilities? Through town hall.

5372
07:39:18,304 --> 07:39:22,726
Up to the second level. That being said, I think

5373
07:39:22,726 --> 07:39:26,166
there would be potentially legal implications that we'd want to

5374
07:39:26,166 --> 07:39:30,406
explore. And potentially require closed session discussion on some previous

5375
07:39:30,406 --> 07:39:36,063
case law. Is there a seconder for the motion? Okay,

5376
07:39:36,063 --> 07:39:39,943
is there a seconder for councilor Jeffrey's? Motion on stairblast

5377
07:39:39,943 --> 07:39:48,437
council. Councilor Potts. 80,000. Yeah.

5378
07:39:52,437 --> 07:39:57,877
Deputy mayor. Clarification, please, through you to Councilor Jeffrey. Funds

5379
07:39:57,877 --> 07:40:02,549
coming from. I guess the funds we're working on right

5380
07:40:02,549 --> 07:40:05,949
now. I don't know if there's the treasurer could advise.

5381
07:40:10,565 --> 07:40:13,085
Through the mayor if there were any other avenues for

5382
07:40:13,085 --> 07:40:17,106
the funding to come from. But treasure grant. I don't

5383
07:40:17,106 --> 07:40:20,586
know if we have any accessibility reserve funds or those

5384
07:40:20,586 --> 07:40:24,724
kinds. Of things. We could raise taxes, which is what

5385
07:40:24,724 --> 07:40:28,524
we're discussing now. We could also use the general. Reserve,

5386
07:40:28,524 --> 07:40:30,604
and we do have the working capital reserve, should that

5387
07:40:30,604 --> 07:40:32,964
be needed as well, if you prefer. To come from

5388
07:40:32,964 --> 07:40:39,025
existing reserves. Follow up, if I may. Sure. That's kind

5389
07:40:39,025 --> 07:40:44,357
of tomatoes. Tomatoes, right. Because the surplus will go into.

5390
07:40:46,409 --> 07:40:50,346
Reserves, right? But I think the main thing is that

5391
07:40:50,346 --> 07:40:54,678
the plan is for it to come from reserves. And

5392
07:40:54,678 --> 07:41:03,379
I'll support it for that reason. Canceling. Thank you. Just

5393
07:41:03,379 --> 07:41:06,843
one more question. That. If we're going to set aside

5394
07:41:06,843 --> 07:41:09,483
$80,000, is that what we're going to see what we

5395
07:41:09,483 --> 07:41:12,483
can get for 80,000. And what if we can't? Get

5396
07:41:12,483 --> 07:41:15,163
anything for that. I'm thinking that there's going to be

5397
07:41:15,163 --> 07:41:18,099
a lot more. Work. Than I'd like to say. We've

5398
07:41:18,099 --> 07:41:21,120
been able to get it. But I think we got

5399
07:41:21,120 --> 07:41:26,301
to not even consider the stair lifts to me. They're

5400
07:41:26,301 --> 07:41:30,353
just basically something you'd install at home. For yourself. Like

5401
07:41:30,353 --> 07:41:34,169
you know all us old. Counselors. That's what we'll be.

5402
07:41:34,169 --> 07:41:41,490
Stalin. But. The other lift is. We got to meet

5403
07:41:41,490 --> 07:41:43,530
building codes. We got to meet a whole bunch of

5404
07:41:43,530 --> 07:41:46,130
standards before we can. Even say whether we can install

5405
07:41:46,130 --> 07:41:51,716
them. I'll support it if we know we can get

5406
07:41:51,716 --> 07:41:54,756
it done. For 80,000, I just wondering, is there going

5407
07:41:54,756 --> 07:41:57,036
to be a lot more hidden costs before we get

5408
07:41:57,036 --> 07:42:04,410
to the 80,000? Executive director. Do you have any thoughts

5409
07:42:04,410 --> 07:42:09,651
on that? Thank you, Mayor Hamlin. Through to Councilor Ring.

5410
07:42:12,832 --> 07:42:15,192
The rough estimate that we were able to obtain from

5411
07:42:15,192 --> 07:42:18,672
doing some research online was that the lists themselves would

5412
07:42:18,672 --> 07:42:24,112
be 40,000, $80,000 if there was any additional assessments that

5413
07:42:24,112 --> 07:42:27,992
were required above and beyond those list costs, it may

5414
07:42:27,992 --> 07:42:33,149
be appropriate to earmark $100,000 that being said, We're not

5415
07:42:33,149 --> 07:42:35,789
sure if one or two lifts would be required. Maybe

5416
07:42:35,789 --> 07:42:39,831
one would be sufficient. But certainly consultation with the accessibility

5417
07:42:39,831 --> 07:42:42,711
advisory committee would help us in determining what number of

5418
07:42:42,711 --> 07:42:46,389
lists would be appropriate. And I'm sorry I can't be

5419
07:42:46,389 --> 07:42:49,549
more helpful in terms of pricing, we're. Going by research

5420
07:42:49,549 --> 07:42:54,794
we were able to do. On the topic. Yeah. Thank

5421
07:42:54,794 --> 07:42:58,154
you, Catherine. Just to follow up, then, if that's the

5422
07:42:58,154 --> 07:43:03,699
case. Could I amend the original motion to 100,000? Sure.

5423
07:43:03,699 --> 07:43:06,379
That's where I started. And. I would accept that. Okay.

5424
07:43:06,379 --> 07:43:10,179
Thank you. And the seconder, do they agree? Yeah. Okay.

5425
07:43:12,027 --> 07:43:14,427
This is a hard one. This is a hard one

5426
07:43:14,427 --> 07:43:18,644
for me because. I think we know that the Eddie

5427
07:43:18,644 --> 07:43:23,044
Bush is not an accessible structure. Luckily, you can get

5428
07:43:23,044 --> 07:43:28,720
in. On the main floor. And see what's happening and

5429
07:43:28,720 --> 07:43:31,720
use the washroom. But if you wanted to go up.

5430
07:43:31,720 --> 07:43:35,992
To the second level. You're not getting there. And that

5431
07:43:35,992 --> 07:43:38,752
is a very well used facility, and that's a shame.

5432
07:43:40,726 --> 07:43:44,553
On the other hand. This whole building needs to be

5433
07:43:44,553 --> 07:43:47,593
renovated. I mean, it's like putting lipstick on a pig.

5434
07:43:47,593 --> 07:43:52,182
I think we're spending over 200,000 this year's budget. To

5435
07:43:52,182 --> 07:43:55,344
sort of do the band aids for this year. I

5436
07:43:55,344 --> 07:43:57,544
don't know what the right answer is. I think a

5437
07:43:57,544 --> 07:44:00,384
future council is going to have to make a decision,

5438
07:44:00,384 --> 07:44:07,049
hopefully with the blues. On funding what needs to be

5439
07:44:07,049 --> 07:44:11,529
done there, or if we have a replacement facility or

5440
07:44:11,529 --> 07:44:20,084
whatever comes. Of it. But. I can all support. This

5441
07:44:20,084 --> 07:44:24,349
motion. But I'm going to say reluctantly, I so want

5442
07:44:24,349 --> 07:44:26,949
people to be access every one of our buildings to

5443
07:44:26,949 --> 07:44:31,239
everywhere they want to go, but. I'm so conflicted about

5444
07:44:31,239 --> 07:44:37,154
this building because. It needs so much work and. It's

5445
07:44:37,154 --> 07:44:43,031
still not there. So, anyway, that's what I think. Everyone

5446
07:44:43,031 --> 07:44:50,204
want to vote? Okay, all those in favor? One. Okay,

5447
07:44:50,204 --> 07:44:55,144
that's unanimous. That was easy. Okay. Yes, sorry. See you.

5448
07:44:56,800 --> 07:44:59,839
Thank you. Through the chair. I did want to make

5449
07:44:59,839 --> 07:45:04,599
a quick, positive comment on municipal government being the responsible

5450
07:45:04,599 --> 07:45:09,537
place to get things done. We are. The closest to

5451
07:45:09,537 --> 07:45:13,283
the people. I know that our council members here. From

5452
07:45:13,283 --> 07:45:16,533
people every day. And staff hear from people every day,

5453
07:45:16,533 --> 07:45:19,293
too. I think Collingwood does punch above its weight, and

5454
07:45:19,293 --> 07:45:22,913
we do get a lot done. So I just wanted

5455
07:45:22,913 --> 07:45:26,898
to put that on the record. And we'll arm wrestle

5456
07:45:26,898 --> 07:45:29,098
about it later. No, we do good things. We do

5457
07:45:29,098 --> 07:45:31,778
great things. Here, but it just takes a long time.

5458
07:45:33,565 --> 07:45:36,845
Those darn procurement roles, too. Okay, I won't go there.

5459
07:45:39,476 --> 07:45:43,600
Okay. So just. Can I clarify with the treasure? So

5460
07:45:43,600 --> 07:45:46,400
the 100 was coming out of reserves, was that. The

5461
07:45:46,400 --> 07:45:55,394
motion. Okay, so we're still at 475. No, sorry. 375.

5462
07:45:56,690 --> 07:46:00,850
Okay, to get us to the 2.5% local blended 2.4.

5463
07:46:02,796 --> 07:46:05,876
Did we want to put more funds into the reserves.

5464
07:46:07,196 --> 07:46:09,276
Houser Doherty. Oh, you had your motion. You were deferring

5465
07:46:09,276 --> 07:46:12,892
your motion. Thank you. So your motion was to take.

5466
07:46:15,654 --> 07:46:19,694
50 into each of those reserve funds, right, for a

5467
07:46:19,694 --> 07:46:26,918
total of 100,000. And. These are reserves. Right. So that

5468
07:46:26,918 --> 07:46:31,478
would mean we'd have to. The 375 would become 475

5469
07:46:31,478 --> 07:46:35,363
that we would need. Out of the 680 if we

5470
07:46:35,363 --> 07:46:41,966
were to use those funds. Okay. All right. Seconder. Seconderbank's

5471
07:46:41,966 --> 07:46:45,769
comments. I know. We've heard you. So that's why I

5472
07:46:45,769 --> 07:46:51,621
want to hear from somebody. Else. This is a different

5473
07:46:51,621 --> 07:46:55,934
motion. I thought you had already calmed. I was going

5474
07:46:55,934 --> 07:46:57,614
to let you speak, but I thought you had. Already

5475
07:46:57,614 --> 07:47:04,096
spoken on this. Okay, go ahead. Again. It's a tomatoes,

5476
07:47:04,096 --> 07:47:10,957
tomatoes thing, right? You're taking it out of. The you're

5477
07:47:10,957 --> 07:47:16,351
reducing. Your overall surplus. By now. If you put this

5478
07:47:16,351 --> 07:47:20,831
through, $475,000, that would have ended up going into lifecycle

5479
07:47:20,831 --> 07:47:25,377
reserve. And I was trying to get you to agree

5480
07:47:25,377 --> 07:47:32,024
to reduce the component. Of increase for lifecycle reserve. And

5481
07:47:32,024 --> 07:47:34,224
what you're doing now is you're actually taking more out

5482
07:47:34,224 --> 07:47:39,319
of lifecycle. Reserve. So. I'm going to support it. I

5483
07:47:39,319 --> 07:47:45,756
don't disagree. That. Really? 150,000 is in a substantial amount,

5484
07:47:45,756 --> 07:47:49,308
right? Because again, as I say, it's just tomatoes and

5485
07:47:49,308 --> 07:47:54,514
tomatoes. It's not the way you typically, in my opinion,

5486
07:47:54,514 --> 07:47:59,199
would do your setting your budget. You're notified of your

5487
07:47:59,199 --> 07:48:02,199
surplus and you look at your impacts on your lifecycle

5488
07:48:02,199 --> 07:48:08,493
reserve. And make your decisions about your asset management. And

5489
07:48:08,493 --> 07:48:10,533
that would have given you room to do what you're

5490
07:48:10,533 --> 07:48:15,107
doing. So I will support this, though, because, as I

5491
07:48:15,107 --> 07:48:18,907
say, it's similar to the lyfts. That it is coming.

5492
07:48:20,211 --> 07:48:26,623
From reserve. Okay. All right. Anyone else like to speak

5493
07:48:26,623 --> 07:48:32,471
to this? All those in favor? And that's unanimous. Thank

5494
07:48:32,471 --> 07:48:41,008
you. So. I think. The next question is. Whether we

5495
07:48:41,008 --> 07:48:49,116
will use. The 680,000 to pay for the $475,000. Am

5496
07:48:49,116 --> 07:48:53,588
I right on this next decision? Anyone want to move

5497
07:48:53,588 --> 07:49:02,039
that? Elsa dougherty.

5498
07:49:07,640 --> 07:49:10,480
I will move it to start the discussion. Okay? Any

5499
07:49:10,480 --> 07:49:15,910
second. Or councilor McCulloch. And this would just recap here.

5500
07:49:18,320 --> 07:49:27,259
680. Minus 475 is 50 two. So if we were

5501
07:49:27,259 --> 07:49:33,042
to use the 680 portion of the surplus. To cover

5502
07:49:33,042 --> 07:49:38,461
475,000 that we've been talking about here, which. Would keep

5503
07:49:38,461 --> 07:49:43,837
our local tax rate to 2.5%. It would also leave

5504
07:49:43,837 --> 07:49:49,077
205,000 of the 680 to go into the lifecycle reserves.

5505
07:49:49,077 --> 07:49:52,677
So we'd have 205 in the lifecycle reserves. We'd have

5506
07:49:52,677 --> 07:49:56,357
100 into the reserves. For the murph and the art

5507
07:49:56,357 --> 07:50:01,667
center. And we would have 375 into other things. Okay,

5508
07:50:01,667 --> 07:50:05,834
anyone else want to comment? Deputy mayor. Thank you, Mayor

5509
07:50:05,834 --> 07:50:09,964
Hamlin. Again. No surprise. I'm not going to support it.

5510
07:50:12,287 --> 07:50:20,054
Again. $655,000 of what you're doing is going to impact

5511
07:50:20,054 --> 07:50:25,752
27. So that's percent and a half. The other side

5512
07:50:25,752 --> 07:50:33,595
of the whole thing is. I just can't. Use the

5513
07:50:33,595 --> 07:50:36,395
funds for a short period of time, knowing it's going

5514
07:50:36,395 --> 07:50:39,689
to put it on. To the next council. So I'm

5515
07:50:39,689 --> 07:50:42,990
not supportive of it. I do intend on putting on

5516
07:50:42,990 --> 07:50:47,190
the table again about the asset management reduction, which will

5517
07:50:47,190 --> 07:50:50,998
help reduce that way. But I'm not in favor of

5518
07:50:50,998 --> 07:50:54,558
using those funds specifically the way they're being. Incorporated in

5519
07:50:54,558 --> 07:50:57,718
this. Okay, thank you. Would anyone else like to speak

5520
07:50:57,718 --> 07:51:00,598
to this? So we'll. Bring it to a vote. All

5521
07:51:00,598 --> 07:51:05,294
those. Sorry. Pardon. I'm confused, Mayor Hamlin. I thought that's

5522
07:51:05,294 --> 07:51:07,134
what we were voting to do. As we voted on

5523
07:51:07,134 --> 07:51:08,654
each of these things that it was coming out of

5524
07:51:08,654 --> 07:51:10,974
the 680 because you were adding it up, so I

5525
07:51:10,974 --> 07:51:13,734
don't know why we're doing this again, okay? Is that

5526
07:51:13,734 --> 07:51:17,479
what everyone else filed? Okay, so there we go. No

5527
07:51:17,479 --> 07:51:23,273
need to vote. Thank you. Voting is overrated. Okay, what

5528
07:51:23,273 --> 07:51:27,710
else do we have to do here? Okay, motion to

5529
07:51:27,710 --> 07:51:30,990
extend. Are we ready for one more hour or what?

5530
07:51:33,659 --> 07:51:36,459
That's the other things. We're almost done. Are we almost

5531
07:51:36,459 --> 07:51:43,203
done on the budget? No. How come? You got plenty

5532
07:51:43,203 --> 07:51:47,239
to tap, so pardon me. Thank you, Mary Hanlon. I

5533
07:51:47,239 --> 07:51:50,879
think we could use another when we're less tired. Just.

5534
07:51:50,879 --> 07:51:53,959
To do one final review and any final, other suggestions,

5535
07:51:53,959 --> 07:51:56,559
so I think it's going to take another. Okay, we

5536
07:51:56,559 --> 07:52:00,499
have one suggestion. Not to extend an hour. I'll just

5537
07:52:00,499 --> 07:52:06,749
say. On the agenda still for today. Perhaps the clerk

5538
07:52:06,749 --> 07:52:09,589
could help us decide whether there's anything we need to

5539
07:52:09,589 --> 07:52:14,660
deal with other than. Another option is to recess the

5540
07:52:14,660 --> 07:52:18,140
meeting and we can reconvene it on another date. Before

5541
07:52:18,140 --> 07:52:25,063
the 15th at the sensor. Okay. Recess. The meeting. So

5542
07:52:25,063 --> 07:52:27,383
what she was saying is we would recess it so

5543
07:52:27,383 --> 07:52:33,974
we could reconvene at another day before the 15th. I

5544
07:52:33,974 --> 07:52:37,814
think there's some interest in getting the budget finalized in

5545
07:52:37,814 --> 07:52:47,620
December, if we could. So. The. Clerk. She's going to

5546
07:52:47,620 --> 07:52:50,940
canvass people's availability. Is that right? The recess be part.

5547
07:52:50,940 --> 07:52:52,580
Of. I don't know if we have many items on

5548
07:52:52,580 --> 07:52:59,736
December 8, right? Push it to next Monday. So Kriopol.

5549
07:52:59,736 --> 07:53:02,856
Okay, and again, I'll just ask the clerk. Is there

5550
07:53:02,856 --> 07:53:05,816
anything on the rest of the agenda for the committee

5551
07:53:05,816 --> 07:53:09,336
of the whole that can't wait in your view to

5552
07:53:09,336 --> 07:53:19,025
next Monday. You could do the confirmatory bylaw. Okay.

5553
07:53:21,125 --> 07:53:25,119
No. We're recessing. Yeah. I think if you want to

5554
07:53:25,119 --> 07:53:27,319
quickly run through the other aims, we can just defer,

5555
07:53:27,319 --> 07:53:29,279
so. It's just the budget conversation on the 8th. You

5556
07:53:29,279 --> 07:53:38,570
can do that? So is that agreeable, Councilor Jeffrey? For

5557
07:53:38,570 --> 07:53:42,589
sure. Okay, so. Were you going to say something? Yeah.

5558
07:53:44,656 --> 07:53:48,216
I understand that. Thank you. Through you that we're about

5559
07:53:48,216 --> 07:53:50,816
at the end of our brain. Power for the budget

5560
07:53:50,816 --> 07:53:54,016
tonight. I did hear the deputy mayor say that he

5561
07:53:54,016 --> 07:53:57,540
was going to make a proposal. I was wondering. If

5562
07:53:57,540 --> 07:53:59,660
there was a way that we could hear a bit

5563
07:53:59,660 --> 07:54:03,700
about the proposal and thus be well. Prepared with numbers

5564
07:54:03,700 --> 07:54:06,820
and the like at the next meeting, if that works

5565
07:54:06,820 --> 07:54:09,860
for the deputy and the chair. Yeah, go ahead. Thank

5566
07:54:09,860 --> 07:54:13,780
you. And I've already provided treasurer with some information, but

5567
07:54:13,780 --> 07:54:17,353
unfortunately. It could only be today. So I knew that

5568
07:54:17,353 --> 07:54:20,633
the likelihood would be that it would carry over into

5569
07:54:20,633 --> 07:54:24,460
the next meeting, so. It should be okay. I do

5570
07:54:24,460 --> 07:54:27,140
anticipate that the treasurer and I will do some emailing

5571
07:54:27,140 --> 07:54:32,360
back and forth. To make sure that the clear. But

5572
07:54:32,360 --> 07:54:35,280
basically what I'm coming forward with is a reduction of

5573
07:54:35,280 --> 07:54:39,320
the 1.2 that's proposed in the budget for the asset

5574
07:54:39,320 --> 07:54:44,285
management. And I've started to explain the reasoning to the

5575
07:54:44,285 --> 07:54:47,876
treasurers through the email. Okay.

5576
07:54:53,897 --> 07:54:57,337
So what's left on the committee as a whole starts

5577
07:54:57,337 --> 07:55:00,977
on page seven of the agenda. I guess at item

5578
07:55:00,977 --> 07:55:05,508
15.3. So can I turn the chair back to you?

5579
07:55:07,265 --> 07:55:10,065
Sure, if you want. Or you can keep rolling, but

5580
07:55:10,065 --> 07:55:11,905
I'll try and get through it. As quickly as I

5581
07:55:11,905 --> 07:55:18,425
can. Go ahead. Okay. Item 15.3, deputations unregistered. Thank you,

5582
07:55:18,425 --> 07:55:21,265
chairper. We do have one individual online if they would

5583
07:55:21,265 --> 07:55:24,705
like to address the committee. At this time, please press

5584
07:55:24,705 --> 07:55:26,345
the raise your hand feature at the bottom of your

5585
07:55:26,345 --> 07:55:31,243
screen. Okay. Thank you.

5586
07:55:36,085 --> 07:55:41,205
Item 15.4 reports minutes of other committees and boards. The

5587
07:55:41,205 --> 07:55:44,765
recommendation is that the following minutes of other committees and

5588
07:55:44,765 --> 07:55:49,645
boards be received and the recommendations contained therein be approved.

5589
07:55:49,645 --> 07:55:54,845
Minutes, trails and active Transportation Advisory Committee, October 9, 2025.

5590
07:55:56,221 --> 07:56:01,833
Minutes. The Collingwood Heritage Committee, November 6, 2025 and the

5591
07:56:01,833 --> 07:56:07,953
minutes for the accessibility advisory committee, October 16 2025. Can

5592
07:56:07,953 --> 07:56:12,513
I have a mover? Councilor Potts. Seconded. Councilor, ring all.

5593
07:56:12,513 --> 07:56:20,649
In favor. Rolling right along. Okay. Item 15.5. Old or

5594
07:56:20,649 --> 07:56:30,164
deferred business. Anything. Don't hold that up. Okay. Thank you.

5595
07:56:31,695 --> 07:56:38,274
Item 15.6 other business. No other business. Item 15.7, notice

5596
07:56:38,274 --> 07:56:42,386
of motions. Mayor Hamlin.

5597
07:56:49,861 --> 07:56:52,661
No, I know Deputy Mayor Friars was, but I think

5598
07:56:52,661 --> 07:56:56,959
Mayor Hamlin had something, I believe. Sorry. Thank you. My

5599
07:56:56,959 --> 07:56:59,159
notice is that I will bring a motion at the

5600
07:56:59,159 --> 07:57:05,995
next meeting. To request. A stop sign be installed at

5601
07:57:05,995 --> 07:57:09,433
the intersection. To make it a four way stop at

5602
07:57:09,433 --> 07:57:14,919
the intersection of Cedar and third. And that also we

5603
07:57:14,919 --> 07:57:19,359
ask staff to consider a phase in for the rest

5604
07:57:19,359 --> 07:57:25,689
of intersections in our community. In residential areas. And third

5605
07:57:25,689 --> 07:57:30,029
part would be that the school and safety zones. Be

5606
07:57:30,029 --> 07:57:34,681
given a priority in that phase in. Okay. Thank you.

5607
07:57:36,509 --> 07:57:42,149
Item 15.8.1 rise from committee of the whole the motion

5608
07:57:42,149 --> 07:57:46,109
is to and the recommendation is. Sorry. That council herein

5609
07:57:46,109 --> 07:57:49,349
rise from committee as a whole in return to regular

5610
07:57:49,349 --> 07:57:53,749
council. Meeting. Can I have a mover? Councilor McCullough, seconded

5611
07:57:53,749 --> 07:58:00,140
vice chair. Baines. All in favor? And that is unanimous.

5612
07:58:00,140 --> 07:58:02,620
Thank you. And at this point, I'm looking for a

5613
07:58:02,620 --> 07:58:07,950
motion to recess this meeting. We can do the confirmatory

5614
07:58:07,950 --> 07:58:14,054
bylaw and the adjournment, and we'll. Just add. Change. We're

5615
07:58:14,054 --> 07:58:18,254
not recessing. Okay. Confirmatory bylaw. Is that bylaw number 20?

5616
07:58:18,254 --> 07:58:22,774
25 84, being a bylaw to confirm the proceedings of

5617
07:58:22,774 --> 07:58:26,454
the regular meeting of council held December 1, 2025 be

5618
07:58:26,454 --> 07:58:30,854
enacted and passed this first day of December 2025, mover

5619
07:58:30,854 --> 07:58:34,899
and I seconder deputy mayor seconded. By councilor Dougherty. All

5620
07:58:34,899 --> 07:58:39,871
those in favor? Passed unanimously. And we have a fight.

5621
07:58:39,871 --> 07:58:41,751
But I think I saw councilor Potts go up. First.

5622
07:58:43,416 --> 07:58:46,616
For an adjournment. All those in favor? Adjourned. Thank you,

5623
07:58:46,616 --> 07:58:51,587
everybody. It was tough. We almost didn't make it.