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>> Good morning and welcome to

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the work session for Colorado

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Springs City Council for

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Tuesday, SEPTEMBER 8th

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Twenty-twenty 6. Will the

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clerk please call the roll?

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>> Councilmember Casey here,

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Councilmember Corona the here.

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That's a member. Donna your

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councilmember gold and some

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member engine as councilmember

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line with here. Councilmember

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raining here and some member

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risley Councilmember Williams

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on PRESIDENT.

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>> Are there any changes?

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Today's Jen, Seeing none

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moving on to the regular

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comments. Are there any

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changes to the regular

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meeting?

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>> If for a will be.

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>> Clerk, please read item

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foray into the record.

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>> City Council work session

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meeting minutes AUGUST. 24

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2026.

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>> Are there any changes to

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these minutes? Seeing none

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moving on to item 5, a.

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>> Well, the please read item

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into the record.

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>> Thomas would be.

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>> tried our 10 cool and

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really sunrise. Pascoe County

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District Court case number.

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26, see the 3, 1, 6, 4, 1,

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Sorry, just a second.

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need to get my computer. Just

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give me one minute.

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>> Good morning, Stephanie

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Foster City attorney.

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>> Before the

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>> city Council today is a

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matter involving Thomas Wage

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versus Tony Bauer. Tom Cool.

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Andrew l#

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. Jason Reser.

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It's a case in front of a

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e-pass si El Paso County

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District Court. It's case

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number 25 cd. 31 6, 4, 1,

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Council has in its agenda

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packet. A memorandum from the

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city Attorney's office which

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describes the nature of the

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case. And the civil action

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invested investigation

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committee met on AUGUST 14

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2026. And recommends that has

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city council acknowledged the

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city's obligation to resent to

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represent the officers

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involved. As required by the

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Colorado Governmental Immunity

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act and the peace officers

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liability act and city

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attorney's office recommends

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that the city Council. Engage

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in that representation. So

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that ice time, I just need a

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thumbs-up from council

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members. If you the attorneys

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moving forward.

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>> Dan, thank you. Moving on

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to item 7, a well. The clerk

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please read item 7 a into the

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record informational

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presentation on the homeless.

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Homelessness Response Action

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Plan. Good Morning, Amy. Good

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morning, MADAM. PRESIDENT,

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members of City Council, I'm

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Aimee Cox, the chief housing

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and homelessness response

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Officer. I'm here today to

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give you an update on the

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homelessness response Action

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Plan Council had requested

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this presentation following

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the mayor's press briefing on

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AUGUST. 12th and thank you for

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your patience. As we got the

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scheduled, the presentation

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today will largely follow the

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outline that was in that

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presentation or that press

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briefing. But because

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homelessness. I often creates

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conversations that are both

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broad and deep. There are a

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number subject matter experts

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here today who can help answer

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questions. And so I just want

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to recognize Lieutenant Ryan

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Tapley who overseas are hot

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art programs. Deputy Chief

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Doug Trainer, Steve Johnson

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with the Colorado Springs Fire

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programs. Kyle Hagerman senior

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analyst in Clutch project

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manager in the housing and

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Department and the Chantel

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here. She's the division chief

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for prosecution. They're also

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a number of providers and

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concerned residents in the

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audience today. Thank you for

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joining us. So the agenda

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pretty straightforward. I'm

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gonna give a brief overview of

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what we do. We'll go over the

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homeless response action plan

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and the 3 time horizon, the

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phased approach we've put

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together and then I want to

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recognize City Council's

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partnership in this work

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because you are really key

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players in reducing

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homelessness in our community.

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>> Soho Moses is really part

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of a broader response in our

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office it's part of a broader

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set of responsibilities that

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certainly include and

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investing in housing choice

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for low-income households. Our

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team made investments in

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nearly 3,000 units that have

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been leased up completed or

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under ructions since JUNE of

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23. We also fund neighborhood

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in public facility

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improvements. We've invested

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in the current spring senior

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center, early connections

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learning centers and we help

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to build parks in low income

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neighborhoods. And this is

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part of a our commitment to

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improving overall quality of

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life our community. We manage

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diverse funding sources with

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each with different compliance

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requirements. So there's a

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level of complexity here. And

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with all these funding sources

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available in 2025, we

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distributed about 1 million

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dollars for homelessness.

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to support shelters. Emergency

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shelters and winter shelter

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operations. And the intent

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here is not to grouse about

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resources, but to emphasize

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that our most significant

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contribution to homelessness

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response is really in our

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leadership and coordination.

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And these are themes that

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you're going to hear

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throughout this presentation.

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homeless is response. Action

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plan. The plan outlines 61

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actions across 6 priorities

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over 5 years. These actions

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were shaped by residents.

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and government government

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partners through a robust

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public engagement process. The

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focus is on addressing

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immediate challenges. Well,

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building long-term solutions

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to reduce homelessness the

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housing and homelessness

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response Department is

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responsible for operation

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allies saying these actions

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and Rauner rather than manage

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the plan just like a

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checklist. We worked with

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commute. Our Community

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Development Advisory committee

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to develop a phased approach

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with actions that are intended

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to build upon each other to

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meet those immediate needs and

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increase our capacity. Our

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system capacity to generate

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outcomes and phase one. We

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built a foundation trying to

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set clear goals and getting

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buy-in from departments and

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partners. Strengthen U.S..

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Phase 2 will be about

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strengthening our system

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performance both internally

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and externally. And in phase

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3, the work is to build a

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sustainable continually

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improving system. It's very

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ambitious. In the first year.

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of these actions, we completed

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more than half half of the

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actions in the plan. We

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expanded. You actually

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approved the expansion of the

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set line ordinance approved a

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budget to expand the homeless

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outreach team from 68

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officers. Vested in the

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downtown clean and safe pilot

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program or is it 860,000 to

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expand winter capacity? We

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completed a housing needs

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assessment to understand our

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the gaps in affordable housing

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in our community. And we

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identified ongoing operations

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for expanded coordination and

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this is important because

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about one-third of the actions

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of the plan, our ongoing

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operational activities such as

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cleaning and planning for

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winter shelter. So we are

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currently in the expansion

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phase. And I want to pause

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because a common question that

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I get it is what works to

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reduce homelessness and what

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community is where are people

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doing this? Well, and it's

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easy to look at communities

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like San Antonio or Austin San

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Diego, which are beautiful

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cities to see what's going

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well. But we see that a lot of

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what's happening while that's

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happening in places like

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Reno, Nevada. The evidence

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based practices point to one

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consistent factor. And that is

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strong system management and

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it's about reframing the

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conversation from how many

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people are we serving in our

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system to are we actually

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reducing homelessness? Are

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there fewer people

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experiencing homelessness in

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our community the best

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practices include by name data

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routine case conferencing,

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shared performance tart. So

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everybody knows all the

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partners and the system know

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what we're aiming for. It's

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about prevention and diversion

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to prevent people from

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altogether. That is the most

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effective homelessness

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response strategy is

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prevention and diversion. Its

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housing, focus, shelter and

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outreach to focus on exits

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from our system. And it's

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strong housing navigation

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because most people

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experiencing homelessness do

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not need intense wrap around

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services. They need housing

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that they can afford. Housing

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is very much the service and

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once people are house will see

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significant improvements in

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their health and their

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functional mental house. And

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we do this work well in our

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community with veterans throw

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built for 0 program by

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identifying every veteran in

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our community and then using

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case conferencing to to

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connect them to resource, to

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help them exit the system. And

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we have seen meaningful

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reductions in veteran

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homelessness in our community.

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So this year and next, we're

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focused on strengthening our

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system management through

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better coordination internally

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with the homelessness response

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team, which we'll talk about

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here depending deepening our

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partnership with the Pikes

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Peak continuum of care,

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improving behavioral health

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coordination and using better

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data to track and improve

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performance. And quite

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frankly, using better data to

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reviews, reduce the confusion

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that there is in this

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community.

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>> About how we count using

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point in time counts and

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annual reports. So really

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shifting our practice to more

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real time data reporting and

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transparency. And some of our

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current activities include the

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homelessness response team.

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Again, more on that here next.

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We've strengthened regional

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coordination through a joint

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joint leadership of our Pikes

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Peak can of care with the

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Pikes Peak United Way. And I

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think this is really a

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game-changer in our city

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because city is now not just a

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member of our continuum of

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care, but we're a key partner

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driving the impact with the

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Pikes Peak United Way. The

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Police Department U.S.

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Operations team which now

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includes 14 officers and 2

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sergeants who provide coverage

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enforcement and coverage 6

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days per week we invested

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funding to him to Step

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Springs, to secure community

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housing for men and recovery.

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And they have a accident track

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record of helping then escape

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addiction and homelessness in

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our community. We're testing

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diversion services for

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families of children living in

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their vehicles through

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Catholic charities and

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diversion is a best practice

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for meeting housing.

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Instability needs without

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requiring a shelter. Stay so

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really leans into the strength

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that families and families

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with them. We watched a

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housing action plan which

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includes planning for

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supportive housing, which is

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housing with those wrap-around

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services and housing for

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seniors and the military and

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with council support. We

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shifted nearly 2 million

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dollars of federal funding

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into tenant based rental

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assistance to support

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households with expiring

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emergency housing vouchers.

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The homelessness response team

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is a key change in was a

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highlight in the Mares press

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briefing on the 12th City

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Apartments have been meeting

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for a couple of years to

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communicate about our

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activities and to talk about

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what we're seeing on the

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ground in the community and

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how we might best approach

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those those activities.

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However, Mary Emmys took this

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up a level and directed

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departments to operate through

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a coordinated.

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>> Whole of government

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approach.

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>> Homelessness is by its

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nature cross departmental.

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There isn't a single

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department that has all the

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tools or the expertise needed

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to solve the problem. Housing

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and homelessness response is

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the coordinator of this

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effort. And then we really

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coordinate the internal

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expertise and responsibilities

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so that our decisions will

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reflect a unified city

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response and initial

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priorities identified by this

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group includes share data so

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that we all have access to the

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data we're collecting in the

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various departments and can

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use that in defining the

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problems. And and finding

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solutions. It's about

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coordinated outreach and

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encampment closure to ensure

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that when wearing clothes

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encampments, we are doing that

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permanently. And that means

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both securing the space and

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helping people find a better

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alternative. It's improving

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our communication both

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internally and externally

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because public trust and

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confidence are really

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important to this work. We'll

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start to lean into behavioral

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health planning. They MAY have

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a question from council mind.

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Brought up.

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>> Yeah, quite quite a bit.

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That's nice phrase. But what

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is what it what is that? What

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it what systems are there?

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Because everyone on it so is

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this entire list using the

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same system? How do week?

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Because it is a whole team

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effort. I really like this

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approach. Yeah. But as

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everyone on the same page, no.

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>> I think that is the

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challenge we have. Mean, we

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have each department collects

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their own data. And and what

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we're trying to do is create

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some sort of, you know,

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warehouse or lake where that

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information can be shared and

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pulled from. So right now,

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when we need we want to report

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on data. We have to reach out

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to each individual department

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the measures are not collected

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consistently across all of our

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That's one of the efforts will

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be working on internally is to

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have a more standardized way

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of collecting your data. Know

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there's a lot of different

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systems that are out there

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that different organizations

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are using the rescue mission

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uses.

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>> They are. They are

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participating now. I believe

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in h m I a s.

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>> But they also have another

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system and then there's gelato

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I heard about and I haven't

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seen it. But but that's the

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thing is all these different

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systems. And yet this, if we

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talk about a whole team

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approach and we're all talking

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a different language. We've

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got to figure that out.

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>> Yeah, we have to figure

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that out. Homeless management

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information system does not

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work for the information that

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we collect. But I was the

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Coral Springs Fire Department

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enters information and to my a

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half and and in their outreach

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efforts when they're

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countering somebody in the

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street, they can identify what

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other services they MAY be

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connected to.

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>> But internally real, you

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know how many?

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>> How many tickets the police

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department writes, it's not

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going to be something we

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collect an age. My a#

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#

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. It's

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my is really a longitudinal

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data base that looks at the

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client and is how we can track

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people's movement through the

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system. Well, that's what

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works and doesn't sometimes we

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just look at the numbers like

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how many do we have?

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>> Yeah, but how many have

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made a visit to jail? How many

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have made a visit to our

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hospitals emergency rooms

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right? Mean, all that can be

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really valuable information.

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So are we coordinating like

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it? I don't know if I saw

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hospitals on here.

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>> No, you don't spills,

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honor.

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>> This is this is our

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internal homelessness response

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team. And actually we've made

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an invitation Colorado Springs

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utilities to join this team.

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This is our internal

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homelessness response team.

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But all the work we do

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internally has an external

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next s.

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>> And so we have identified,

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for example, ppr oem in after

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action report for Winter

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shelter identified the need

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for better coordination with

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our health system. We have

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identified in the continuum of

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care from our collaborative

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application. We report to hide

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on the performance of arc of

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our community and our system.

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They want to use with

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behavioral health

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organizations. We have not had

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those and the past. So those

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are things that we're working

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on externally.

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>> How can counsel help?

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Because I think you're right.

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I think data sharing is

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probably at the top the list.

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We have to know what we're

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dealing with right at the

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individual level. So yeah, how

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do we get there? So I think

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that. The what, again, this is

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part of the theme of this

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presentation which and is that

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our biggest asset in the

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system is the leadership and

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the coordination that we can

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bring the entire system. So

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our ability to take internal

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work and attached to the

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external work. And I think

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that's where we have. We will

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struggle with the number that

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staff at Iran are offices that

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we've. I have an adequate

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number of people to actually

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do this work. So we've had to

587
00:25:33,741 --> 00:25:34,475
move folks from other critical

588
00:25:34,475 --> 00:25:36,377
functions to respond to the

589
00:25:36,377 --> 00:25:38,980
homeless. U.S. Response team,

590
00:25:38,980 --> 00:25:40,150
which is important. So we are

591
00:25:40,150 --> 00:25:40,682
happy to do it. And again, I'm

592
00:25:40,682 --> 00:25:42,985
not here to grouse will be

593
00:25:42,985 --> 00:25:44,653
plenty of time. Talk about

594
00:25:44,653 --> 00:25:45,488
this during the budget

595
00:25:45,488 --> 00:25:47,156
hearings. There are plenty of

596
00:25:47,156 --> 00:25:48,857
departments in our city that

597
00:25:48,857 --> 00:25:49,525
need support. But this does

598
00:25:49,525 --> 00:25:51,525
require dedicated

599
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,960
coordination.

600
00:25:57,300 --> 00:25:58,100
>> And we part of our role and

601
00:25:58,100 --> 00:26:00,100
housing homelessness response

602
00:26:00,370 --> 00:26:00,838
as a partner in our continuum

603
00:26:00,838 --> 00:26:02,305
of care and that collaborative

604
00:26:02,305 --> 00:26:03,975
application and that system

605
00:26:03,975 --> 00:26:04,809
leadership.

606
00:26:04,809 --> 00:26:06,744
>> Is investing. We are

607
00:26:06,744 --> 00:26:08,479
providing matching funds to

608
00:26:08,479 --> 00:26:09,213
that program and that allows

609
00:26:09,213 --> 00:26:12,813
us to monitor and provide some

610
00:26:13,170 --> 00:26:13,752
oversight.

611
00:26:13,752 --> 00:26:14,919
>> You know what I think about

612
00:26:14,919 --> 00:26:15,654
like military operations or

613
00:26:15,654 --> 00:26:18,654
anything like that. The number

614
00:26:19,250 --> 00:26:19,692
one thing I can turn my feow

615
00:26:19,692 --> 00:26:20,359
COUNCILMAN Right here is to

616
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,628
know your enemy. I mean, if

617
00:26:22,628 --> 00:26:25,628
you do, they do incredible.

618
00:26:27,667 --> 00:26:28,969
Amount of funding goes into

619
00:26:28,969 --> 00:26:30,170
research done, identifying all

620
00:26:30,170 --> 00:26:33,170
the different gaps and this

621
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,910
and concerns in this not. We

622
00:26:35,910 --> 00:26:36,844
need to be investing in that

623
00:26:36,844 --> 00:26:38,313
data data is really important

624
00:26:38,313 --> 00:26:39,130
when it comes to operational

625
00:26:39,130 --> 00:26:41,413
type things. When you're

626
00:26:42,851 --> 00:26:44,860
taking on a large challenge.

627
00:26:44,860 --> 00:26:46,121
And I think that that is a

628
00:26:46,121 --> 00:26:46,955
very critical issues. So where

629
00:26:46,955 --> 00:26:48,357
did I think that will be a

630
00:26:48,357 --> 00:26:49,900
lively discussion? We get the

631
00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:50,493
budget. Thank Yeah, thank you.

632
00:26:50,493 --> 00:26:52,628
And I do want to point out

633
00:26:52,628 --> 00:26:53,763
that are senior analyst is

634
00:26:53,763 --> 00:26:56,499
retired Army Ranger. He often

635
00:26:56,499 --> 00:26:56,799
brings military metaphors.

636
00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:58,799
>> 2

637
00:27:00,337 --> 00:27:01,471
>> sake, island. I mean,

638
00:27:01,471 --> 00:27:02,272
points out there, but he's

639
00:27:02,272 --> 00:27:02,906
teaching us all sorts of

640
00:27:02,906 --> 00:27:04,107
military concepts in our

641
00:27:04,107 --> 00:27:06,107
approach.

642
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,800
>> Let's Okay. The activities

643
00:27:14,785 --> 00:27:15,887
ahead of us include. Community

644
00:27:15,887 --> 00:27:17,522
resource map and its hosting a

645
00:27:17,522 --> 00:27:18,523
behavioral health summit to

646
00:27:18,523 --> 00:27:19,224
bring folks together around

647
00:27:19,224 --> 00:27:19,924
the behavioral health issues.

648
00:27:19,924 --> 00:27:20,659
We don't know the details of

649
00:27:20,659 --> 00:27:24,259
that yet. We know that there's

650
00:27:25,264 --> 00:27:25,965
a need to convene folks

651
00:27:25,965 --> 00:27:26,666
improved shelter in crisis

652
00:27:26,666 --> 00:27:29,660
response for individuals with

653
00:27:30,536 --> 00:27:32,936
deeper needs. Continued work

654
00:27:33,306 --> 00:27:34,700
on medical respite and

655
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:36,100
advancing the support of an

656
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:38,440
extremely low income housing

657
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,460
strategies in our home.

658
00:27:39,460 --> 00:27:41,148
Housing needs assessment. We

659
00:27:41,148 --> 00:27:41,849
identified the 30% of the

660
00:27:41,849 --> 00:27:42,483
housing need in our community

661
00:27:42,483 --> 00:27:44,883
is for people earning 30%

662
00:27:46,421 --> 00:27:48,156
area. Median income or less.

663
00:27:48,156 --> 00:27:51,756
So that will need strategy is

664
00:27:52,694 --> 00:27:54,129
to so that gap. And by 2028,

665
00:27:54,129 --> 00:27:54,830
we expect to complete over 90%

666
00:27:54,830 --> 00:27:58,333
of the plan and align it with

667
00:27:58,333 --> 00:27:59,680
regional planning. Regional

668
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,668
planning. We do with our Pikes

669
00:28:02,806 --> 00:28:03,406
peak continuum of care. And,

670
00:28:03,406 --> 00:28:05,875
you know, let's just be

671
00:28:05,875 --> 00:28:07,111
honest, no plan accounts for

672
00:28:07,111 --> 00:28:08,110
all the variables when it's

673
00:28:08,110 --> 00:28:10,411
created. So recalibration will

674
00:28:11,949 --> 00:28:12,883
keep actions aligned with our

675
00:28:12,883 --> 00:28:15,153
real-world needs. But the goal

676
00:28:15,153 --> 00:28:16,487
here is to develop a system

677
00:28:16,487 --> 00:28:17,122
that is continually improving

678
00:28:17,122 --> 00:28:17,789
in to build that into the

679
00:28:17,789 --> 00:28:21,389
culture of the work that we

680
00:28:24,897 --> 00:28:25,497
do. And finally, and this gets

681
00:28:25,497 --> 00:28:27,897
more to your question.

682
00:28:27,933 --> 00:28:30,136
COUNCILMAN Line Weber. I

683
00:28:30,136 --> 00:28:32,137
really like to recognize City

684
00:28:32,137 --> 00:28:35,410
council as a key partner in

685
00:28:35,410 --> 00:28:36,910
this work and your decisions

686
00:28:36,910 --> 00:28:38,412
shape. The response. It shapes

687
00:28:38,412 --> 00:28:39,450
through laws and through the

688
00:28:39,450 --> 00:28:39,713
approval of funding. You

689
00:28:39,713 --> 00:28:42,713
approve the plans we bring

690
00:28:44,418 --> 00:28:46,286
forward. You regulate land,

691
00:28:46,286 --> 00:28:46,955
use and you bring leadership

692
00:28:46,955 --> 00:28:49,955
to a variety of committees.

693
00:28:50,725 --> 00:28:53,728
And I want to thank all of you

694
00:28:53,728 --> 00:28:55,697
have participated or ask

695
00:28:55,697 --> 00:28:56,298
questions are engaged in this

696
00:28:56,298 --> 00:28:58,567
issue. It's very, very

697
00:28:58,567 --> 00:29:02,167
critical that we have whole of

698
00:29:02,772 --> 00:29:04,874
city response that involves

699
00:29:04,874 --> 00:29:07,274
our administration and our

700
00:29:08,110 --> 00:29:08,645
city council and to support

701
00:29:08,645 --> 00:29:09,412
ongoing transparency and

702
00:29:09,412 --> 00:29:11,412
public confidence. The

703
00:29:12,148 --> 00:29:14,548
homeless. This response team

704
00:29:15,152 --> 00:29:16,200
plans to provide quarterly

705
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:16,654
updates to city Council and

706
00:29:16,654 --> 00:29:18,790
produce an annual report.

707
00:29:18,790 --> 00:29:20,790
Public report tracking

708
00:29:22,794 --> 00:29:23,695
progress and challenges and

709
00:29:23,695 --> 00:29:24,595
ultimately our success will be

710
00:29:24,595 --> 00:29:26,765
measured, not by the number of

711
00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:27,832
initiatives that we launched,

712
00:29:27,832 --> 00:29:28,934
but by actual reductions and

713
00:29:28,934 --> 00:29:30,350
unsheltered homelessness,

714
00:29:30,350 --> 00:29:32,435
faster exits from homelessness

715
00:29:33,405 --> 00:29:35,641
to stable housing, improved

716
00:29:35,641 --> 00:29:37,677
health and employment outcomes

717
00:29:37,677 --> 00:29:39,512
and a more coordinated city

718
00:29:39,512 --> 00:29:40,747
response. And we're committed

719
00:29:40,747 --> 00:29:42,849
to this work alongside the

720
00:29:42,849 --> 00:29:44,818
providers and and many in this

721
00:29:44,818 --> 00:29:45,519
audience today. Our partners,

722
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:46,653
our residents and volunteers,

723
00:29:46,653 --> 00:29:50,253
some of whom are here today

724
00:29:51,192 --> 00:29:52,193
funders. And of course, you so

725
00:29:52,193 --> 00:29:52,894
thank There are 2 slides here

726
00:29:52,894 --> 00:29:55,663
at the end of this that we're

727
00:29:55,663 --> 00:29:56,297
in year and next about

728
00:29:56,297 --> 00:29:56,965
enforcement. If there are

729
00:29:56,965 --> 00:29:58,965
questions about enforcement

730
00:29:59,133 --> 00:30:00,350
and of those come up right

731
00:30:00,350 --> 00:30:03,772
now, I do have a question from

732
00:30:03,772 --> 00:30:05,700
council Hinch and have a thank

733
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:05,808
Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT and

734
00:30:05,808 --> 00:30:07,430
Amy, thank you so much for

735
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:07,743
being here this morning. I do

736
00:30:07,743 --> 00:30:10,213
have a couple questions. But

737
00:30:10,213 --> 00:30:12,349
before I get to those.

738
00:30:12,349 --> 00:30:14,840
>> I want to say I hear really

739
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:14,818
loud and clear what you're

740
00:30:14,818 --> 00:30:17,818
saying about the importance of

741
00:30:18,521 --> 00:30:20,900
strong system management. I

742
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:22,490
want to actually personally

743
00:30:24,462 --> 00:30:25,497
credit you. And your work in

744
00:30:25,497 --> 00:30:26,898
this role for the last couple

745
00:30:26,898 --> 00:30:29,968
of years since you or is it 2

746
00:30:29,968 --> 00:30:33,639
or 3? Now? I I was on your

747
00:30:33,639 --> 00:30:36,639
interview team I really credit

748
00:30:37,576 --> 00:30:40,790
you in influencing what is now

749
00:30:40,790 --> 00:30:42,790
15 different departments that

750
00:30:42,349 --> 00:30:43,750
are listed as collaborating

751
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:44,484
together. And I would

752
00:30:44,484 --> 00:30:47,287
challenge a word that you use,

753
00:30:47,287 --> 00:30:48,522
which is it's not buy in what

754
00:30:48,522 --> 00:30:49,223
you're doing. What I've

755
00:30:49,223 --> 00:30:52,993
watched you do is to create a

756
00:30:52,993 --> 00:30:54,610
sense of ownership in the city

757
00:30:54,610 --> 00:30:54,695
and with the departments and

758
00:30:54,695 --> 00:30:58,295
we have many of them here

759
00:30:58,700 --> 00:30:59,334
today. Demonstrating the

760
00:30:59,334 --> 00:31:01,734
advances. I think you're

761
00:31:04,106 --> 00:31:06,475
making. In in how the city

762
00:31:06,475 --> 00:31:07,209
approaches such a complex,

763
00:31:07,209 --> 00:31:09,609
significant challenge of which

764
00:31:10,212 --> 00:31:12,114
we have. Very specific things

765
00:31:12,114 --> 00:31:15,885
that we can do and we can't do

766
00:31:15,885 --> 00:31:16,585
the entire thing. So I just

767
00:31:16,585 --> 00:31:20,185
really I really want to thank

768
00:31:20,724 --> 00:31:22,359
you for your leadership. In

769
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:22,927
that. You just deserve to

770
00:31:22,927 --> 00:31:23,594
really be noticed and

771
00:31:23,594 --> 00:31:25,994
appreciated for what you're

772
00:31:30,768 --> 00:31:33,768
doing. Have a question about

773
00:31:34,539 --> 00:31:38,139
where things are at with the

774
00:31:38,577 --> 00:31:41,647
you know, this body ago or so.

775
00:31:41,647 --> 00:31:44,647
An ordinance making it illegal

776
00:31:45,485 --> 00:31:46,486
sleep in your car at night. If

777
00:31:46,486 --> 00:31:48,354
you are homeless. And I'm just

778
00:31:48,354 --> 00:31:50,557
wondering if you can speak a

779
00:31:50,557 --> 00:31:53,493
little bit to where that's

780
00:31:53,493 --> 00:31:57,930
what kinds of solutions I know

781
00:31:57,798 --> 00:31:59,734
part of input from many people

782
00:31:59,734 --> 00:32:02,536
who came to testify in support

783
00:32:02,536 --> 00:32:05,373
of that ordinance who said we

784
00:32:05,373 --> 00:32:06,410
support this because this is

785
00:32:06,410 --> 00:32:06,741
creating challenges in our

786
00:32:06,741 --> 00:32:07,976
neighborhood. However, we are

787
00:32:07,976 --> 00:32:10,376
looking for and want

788
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:12,114
compassionate response is to

789
00:32:12,114 --> 00:32:15,114
where these folks can be,

790
00:32:15,684 --> 00:32:16,452
especially the families. And

791
00:32:16,452 --> 00:32:17,530
my understanding is that

792
00:32:17,530 --> 00:32:18,721
family promise has been

793
00:32:18,721 --> 00:32:19,355
working on something. But if

794
00:32:19,355 --> 00:32:22,625
you could just give us a

795
00:32:22,625 --> 00:32:23,293
little bit of an update around

796
00:32:23,293 --> 00:32:23,996
efforts on that matter, and

797
00:32:23,996 --> 00:32:27,431
then I have a couple of other

798
00:32:27,431 --> 00:32:28,932
questions. Please.

799
00:32:28,932 --> 00:32:30,868
>> Thank you. Yes, family

800
00:32:30,868 --> 00:32:32,637
promise has been most actively

801
00:32:32,637 --> 00:32:33,504
working on creating a safe

802
00:32:33,504 --> 00:32:35,904
parking program for families

803
00:32:37,175 --> 00:32:37,876
with children and and it is

804
00:32:37,876 --> 00:32:40,276
actually very challenging to

805
00:32:41,179 --> 00:32:43,480
create a self, a safe parking

806
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:43,882
program they originally

807
00:32:43,882 --> 00:32:46,282
created program with chilled

808
00:32:46,952 --> 00:32:48,855
are with churches really

809
00:32:48,855 --> 00:32:49,555
leaning into religious land.

810
00:32:49,555 --> 00:32:51,190
Use up because of some of the

811
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:53,590
zoning issues with creating

812
00:32:53,893 --> 00:32:55,996
safe parking program and what

813
00:32:55,996 --> 00:32:59,596
they found was that it's very

814
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,969
difficult to insure. And that

815
00:33:01,969 --> 00:33:04,969
is to get liability insurance

816
00:33:05,673 --> 00:33:08,309
on on on these properties.

817
00:33:08,309 --> 00:33:08,776
It's that would that would

818
00:33:08,776 --> 00:33:09,343
require either.

819
00:33:09,343 --> 00:33:11,343
>> Fully securing the

820
00:33:12,414 --> 00:33:13,915
facility, fencing, for

821
00:33:13,915 --> 00:33:15,915
example, we're providing 24

822
00:33:16,785 --> 00:33:17,686
and get that.

823
00:33:17,686 --> 00:33:18,353
>> I don't say security of the

824
00:33:18,353 --> 00:33:20,753
entire time people they're

825
00:33:21,924 --> 00:33:22,525
they're not there. 24 7, but

826
00:33:22,525 --> 00:33:25,280
they would have to have

827
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,129
on-site security. And that's a

828
00:33:26,129 --> 00:33:29,129
very expensive. And so they're

829
00:33:31,501 --> 00:33:32,202
looking at other models, there

830
00:33:32,202 --> 00:33:35,202
are there are challenges with

831
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:36,908
that.

832
00:33:36,908 --> 00:33:39,308
>> Primarily the money, in

833
00:33:39,944 --> 00:33:41,179
other cities, do have

834
00:33:41,179 --> 00:33:41,880
solutions, right? It sounds

835
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,681
like they're looking at them.

836
00:33:43,681 --> 00:33:47,281
But how much of it is?

837
00:33:47,485 --> 00:33:49,288
Funding? How much of it is,

838
00:33:49,288 --> 00:33:49,955
you know, our own our own

839
00:33:49,955 --> 00:33:51,955
ordinances and requirements

840
00:33:53,525 --> 00:33:54,126
around zoning and so forth.

841
00:33:54,126 --> 00:33:57,126
>> Some of it is owning

842
00:33:57,630 --> 00:34:00,400
related and I can. Yeah. Look

843
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,340
over Kevin Walker who we have

844
00:34:01,340 --> 00:34:03,434
worked very closely with

845
00:34:03,470 --> 00:34:05,606
family promise. Are planners

846
00:34:05,606 --> 00:34:06,607
have to try and go through

847
00:34:06,607 --> 00:34:09,700
what the zoning requirements

848
00:34:10,311 --> 00:34:12,711
are and notice, cetera,

849
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,482
>> there are areas where Human

850
00:34:14,482 --> 00:34:16,882
Service facility is a

851
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:20,856
permitted use

852
00:34:20,856 --> 00:34:24,456
>> has to be the Occupy. The

853
00:34:25,594 --> 00:34:26,195
occupancy has to be aligns

854
00:34:26,195 --> 00:34:26,762
with that.

855
00:34:26,762 --> 00:34:29,162
>> So there are some

856
00:34:30,867 --> 00:34:32,168
challenges But a lot of the

857
00:34:32,168 --> 00:34:34,568
challenges is financial. I

858
00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:38,108
mean, there's a big cost to

859
00:34:38,108 --> 00:34:39,176
providing insurance security

860
00:34:39,176 --> 00:34:40,430
to ensuring that there are

861
00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:42,430
restrooms and facilities

862
00:34:44,349 --> 00:34:46,349
available for people

863
00:34:46,450 --> 00:34:47,118
>> there is a neighborhood

864
00:34:47,118 --> 00:34:49,118
notification generally and

865
00:34:49,554 --> 00:34:51,156
getting neighbors to buy. And

866
00:34:51,156 --> 00:34:51,890
so I will say that watching

867
00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:54,493
Tim Close with family promise

868
00:34:54,493 --> 00:34:56,893
to this, all the.

869
00:34:57,296 --> 00:34:58,630
>> All the kudos to him for

870
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:59,498
his persistence trying to

871
00:34:59,498 --> 00:35:01,867
figure out how to make this a

872
00:35:01,867 --> 00:35:03,336
reality for families with

873
00:35:03,336 --> 00:35:06,336
children. We have stepped in

874
00:35:06,907 --> 00:35:07,807
in our department to test that

875
00:35:07,807 --> 00:35:10,207
diversion program was Catholic

876
00:35:11,579 --> 00:35:13,470
Charities. We've provided a

877
00:35:13,470 --> 00:35:13,781
small contribution to Catholic

878
00:35:13,781 --> 00:35:15,783
charities so that when pd

879
00:35:15,783 --> 00:35:17,652
encounters a family with

880
00:35:17,652 --> 00:35:18,820
children that they can

881
00:35:18,820 --> 00:35:20,922
immediately refer them to

882
00:35:20,922 --> 00:35:21,856
Catholic Charities for up to 3

883
00:35:21,856 --> 00:35:24,426
night. Stay in a motel to get

884
00:35:24,426 --> 00:35:26,428
them out of their vehicle. And

885
00:35:26,428 --> 00:35:27,129
that assessment and case

886
00:35:27,129 --> 00:35:30,320
management to connect them to

887
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:30,733
a better alternative. It's a

888
00:35:30,733 --> 00:35:31,401
very limits, very limited in

889
00:35:31,401 --> 00:35:33,801
scope, simply because it's

890
00:35:34,604 --> 00:35:35,438
limited in dollars. But it's

891
00:35:35,438 --> 00:35:37,207
our belief that if we can

892
00:35:37,207 --> 00:35:39,909
demonstrate that this is a

893
00:35:39,909 --> 00:35:40,944
successful model that we can

894
00:35:40,944 --> 00:35:43,944
find more funding for that.

895
00:35:44,949 --> 00:35:47,118
Great. Thank you for that. 2

896
00:35:47,118 --> 00:35:48,190
other questions has to do with

897
00:35:48,190 --> 00:35:49,720
I understand that Hope Cos who

898
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:50,622
I believe is here in the

899
00:35:50,622 --> 00:35:52,570
chambers today.

900
00:35:52,570 --> 00:35:55,570
>> Is actually seeking to open

901
00:35:56,227 --> 00:35:57,496
yet another shelter. And I'm

902
00:35:57,496 --> 00:35:59,164
wondering if you can speak a

903
00:35:59,164 --> 00:35:59,865
little bit as to where that

904
00:35:59,865 --> 00:36:03,465
they are at with that process

905
00:36:06,272 --> 00:36:07,700
and why. Opening Hope Cos is

906
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:08,475
important for our city and for

907
00:36:08,475 --> 00:36:09,275
folks are experiencing

908
00:36:09,275 --> 00:36:10,544
homelessness.

909
00:36:10,544 --> 00:36:13,347
>> They are here I will

910
00:36:13,347 --> 00:36:14,615
continue to look back to make

911
00:36:14,615 --> 00:36:16,150
sure I'm getting this correct.

912
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:16,850
They are. This has been

913
00:36:16,850 --> 00:36:17,552
something that hope has been

914
00:36:17,552 --> 00:36:19,219
looking at for some time that

915
00:36:19,219 --> 00:36:21,222
currently operate in the

916
00:36:21,222 --> 00:36:23,240
winter. When we activate

917
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:23,725
winter shelter at the

918
00:36:23,725 --> 00:36:26,125
sanctuary church. So they've

919
00:36:27,996 --> 00:36:28,864
operated for many years. There

920
00:36:28,864 --> 00:36:31,864
you know, we actively winter

921
00:36:32,334 --> 00:36:33,100
shelter at 19 degrees and 19

922
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:35,871
degrees is not based on any

923
00:36:35,871 --> 00:36:36,940
human sort of physiology or,

924
00:36:36,940 --> 00:36:37,574
you know, people just get

925
00:36:37,574 --> 00:36:39,574
colder at 19 degrees. 19

926
00:36:40,343 --> 00:36:41,111
degrees was based on the

927
00:36:41,111 --> 00:36:43,613
resources we had available. So

928
00:36:43,613 --> 00:36:47,213
when you look at the history

929
00:36:47,484 --> 00:36:48,218
of like weather and a

930
00:36:48,218 --> 00:36:50,721
community, we've said we had x

931
00:36:50,721 --> 00:36:51,655
amount of dollars. It cost x

932
00:36:51,655 --> 00:36:52,557
amount of dollars per day to

933
00:36:52,557 --> 00:36:54,692
operate a shelter so we can

934
00:36:54,692 --> 00:36:57,920
operate about 60 days. What

935
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:01,300
temperature is that? And that

936
00:37:02,340 --> 00:37:03,803
is how we decided on 19

937
00:37:03,803 --> 00:37:06,405
degrees. We see that but last

938
00:37:06,405 --> 00:37:08,308
year working with ppr, oem, we

939
00:37:08,308 --> 00:37:11,440
saw that 3. I believe 3 people

940
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,413
died when the temperatures

941
00:37:13,413 --> 00:37:14,714
were higher, then 19 degrees.

942
00:37:14,714 --> 00:37:15,415
And so we have been looking

943
00:37:15,415 --> 00:37:18,518
hope has been looking at what

944
00:37:18,518 --> 00:37:20,321
is opportunity to provide just

945
00:37:20,321 --> 00:37:23,321
full winter shelter so that

946
00:37:23,624 --> 00:37:24,492
when it's cold between OCTOBER

947
00:37:24,492 --> 00:37:26,940
15th in APRIL, 15th that

948
00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:27,595
there's a place for people to

949
00:37:27,595 --> 00:37:31,195
go. But that has now expanded

950
00:37:31,834 --> 00:37:33,834
into. Year-round shelter

951
00:37:36,539 --> 00:37:37,640
proposal and that is rooted in

952
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:38,508
the the after action report

953
00:37:38,508 --> 00:37:40,908
for the winter shelter

954
00:37:41,811 --> 00:37:44,180
indicated a need for a full

955
00:37:44,180 --> 00:37:47,830
year full winter shelter. Our

956
00:37:47,830 --> 00:37:48,285
point in time, count

957
00:37:48,285 --> 00:37:49,219
identified that we did not

958
00:37:49,219 --> 00:37:51,455
have sufficient beds for the

959
00:37:51,455 --> 00:37:52,256
number of people counted on

960
00:37:52,256 --> 00:37:55,856
the night of the count. So

961
00:37:57,261 --> 00:37:58,329
we're short about 195

962
00:37:58,329 --> 00:37:59,429
year-round beds and there's

963
00:37:59,429 --> 00:38:02,367
also a need to sort of

964
00:38:02,367 --> 00:38:03,634
differentiate some of the

965
00:38:03,634 --> 00:38:06,340
populations hope often serves

966
00:38:06,705 --> 00:38:09,740
people who have needs. They do

967
00:38:09,740 --> 00:38:12,674
it through a peer base model

968
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:15,180
and with some of the concerns

969
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:15,782
with what we see on the

970
00:38:15,782 --> 00:38:17,782
streets, especially in

971
00:38:19,286 --> 00:38:19,987
downtown. We hear about very

972
00:38:19,987 --> 00:38:20,721
vocally. There is a need to

973
00:38:20,721 --> 00:38:23,721
provide a facility for folks

974
00:38:24,658 --> 00:38:25,793
who have deeper need. So that

975
00:38:25,793 --> 00:38:26,994
very high level of summary of

976
00:38:26,994 --> 00:38:30,331
what hope is trying to do. I

977
00:38:30,331 --> 00:38:33,340
think one of the really the

978
00:38:33,340 --> 00:38:36,340
after action report for our

979
00:38:36,380 --> 00:38:37,439
winter shelter. Some of the

980
00:38:37,439 --> 00:38:39,839
strengths were scored a

981
00:38:40,976 --> 00:38:41,710
nation. The safety at all of

982
00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:45,147
our facilities. And so this is

983
00:38:45,147 --> 00:38:46,249
a build on that. Well, so you

984
00:38:46,249 --> 00:38:48,284
mentioned that they prefer the

985
00:38:48,284 --> 00:38:49,453
sort of in a way serve a

986
00:38:49,453 --> 00:38:50,420
different aspect of the

987
00:38:50,420 --> 00:38:52,820
population and provide a

988
00:38:54,158 --> 00:38:54,892
broader set of choices.

989
00:38:54,892 --> 00:38:55,559
>> And I think that's really

990
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:58,559
important. And we have all

991
00:38:59,530 --> 00:39:00,197
heard of the folks who, for

992
00:39:00,197 --> 00:39:01,566
whatever reason, they have

993
00:39:01,566 --> 00:39:03,401
many different reasons are not

994
00:39:03,401 --> 00:39:05,470
willing to stay at the Springs

995
00:39:05,470 --> 00:39:06,537
rescue mission who can't who

996
00:39:06,537 --> 00:39:07,239
have themselves. So we can't

997
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,540
be the be all and end all for

998
00:39:09,540 --> 00:39:10,275
every single person

999
00:39:10,275 --> 00:39:12,275
experiencing homelessness.

1000
00:39:14,246 --> 00:39:17,830
Could you dispel what i

1001
00:39:17,830 --> 00:39:17,717
believe are some misstatements

1002
00:39:17,717 --> 00:39:18,418
out there about Hope Cos

1003
00:39:18,418 --> 00:39:21,418
allowing people to use while

1004
00:39:21,821 --> 00:39:22,655
they're in the shelter. I

1005
00:39:22,655 --> 00:39:23,389
understand that. That's not

1006
00:39:23,389 --> 00:39:26,526
true. And it's if we could set

1007
00:39:26,526 --> 00:39:27,127
the record straight about how

1008
00:39:27,127 --> 00:39:28,829
how they differentiate

1009
00:39:28,829 --> 00:39:31,829
themselves and what's true and

1010
00:39:32,566 --> 00:39:34,435
what's not true.

1011
00:39:34,435 --> 00:39:35,870
>> So the city of Coral

1012
00:39:35,870 --> 00:39:36,637
Springs big Stick has a

1013
00:39:36,637 --> 00:39:37,372
contract with Hope Cos to help

1014
00:39:37,372 --> 00:39:39,772
fund some winter shelter

1015
00:39:39,841 --> 00:39:41,877
operations. Some of that

1016
00:39:41,877 --> 00:39:43,212
operation. And and so we do

1017
00:39:43,212 --> 00:39:45,614
monitor and we do have

1018
00:39:45,614 --> 00:39:46,215
requirements. I will say this

1019
00:39:46,215 --> 00:39:49,815
that hopes the U.S. Has

1020
00:39:51,187 --> 00:39:51,821
security. Bags are checked.

1021
00:39:51,821 --> 00:39:54,821
Drugs and weapons are not

1022
00:39:55,291 --> 00:39:57,328
allowed in the facility. Folks

1023
00:39:57,328 --> 00:39:58,280
know that they're not bringing

1024
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,280
weapons and drugs into the

1025
00:40:03,934 --> 00:40:04,902
facility are actively using

1026
00:40:04,902 --> 00:40:06,203
they are hope in their peer

1027
00:40:06,203 --> 00:40:07,380
support program requires that

1028
00:40:07,380 --> 00:40:10,800
their employees are the peer

1029
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:10,441
support workers be at least 2

1030
00:40:10,441 --> 00:40:12,441
years sober.

1031
00:40:14,580 --> 00:40:16,980
>> They are leaders epic.

1032
00:40:17,316 --> 00:40:19,716
>> Around how how recovery

1033
00:40:22,789 --> 00:40:23,489
residences are administered

1034
00:40:23,489 --> 00:40:24,356
>> and so no, they they don't

1035
00:40:24,356 --> 00:40:24,957
allow. I think a lot of this

1036
00:40:24,957 --> 00:40:27,957
stems from a really bad

1037
00:40:28,461 --> 00:40:31,461
experience that happened a few

1038
00:40:32,650 --> 00:40:32,833
years ago in partnership with

1039
00:40:32,833 --> 00:40:33,400
the church.

1040
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,370
>> And was done in an

1041
00:40:36,370 --> 00:40:37,710
emergency and folks have

1042
00:40:37,710 --> 00:40:38,138
learned significantly.

1043
00:40:38,138 --> 00:40:41,138
>> Since then about how to

1044
00:40:41,977 --> 00:40:44,977
operate a facility safely. One

1045
00:40:45,130 --> 00:40:45,681
of the one of the key it when

1046
00:40:45,681 --> 00:40:48,681
we're evaluating one of the

1047
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:49,952
key factors in our ppr oem

1048
00:40:49,952 --> 00:40:50,652
report.

1049
00:40:50,652 --> 00:40:52,154
>> Is about safety. And that

1050
00:40:52,154 --> 00:40:52,988
was one of the strengths that

1051
00:40:52,988 --> 00:40:53,388
we identify. That's not all of

1052
00:40:53,388 --> 00:40:55,388
the sites.

1053
00:40:57,427 --> 00:40:58,695
>> We're very safe.

1054
00:40:58,695 --> 00:40:59,496
>> Thank you. Last thing. And

1055
00:40:59,496 --> 00:41:01,331
it might be a little bit more

1056
00:41:01,331 --> 00:41:02,499
of a comment you MAY or MAY

1057
00:41:02,499 --> 00:41:03,166
not be son. Your earlier

1058
00:41:03,166 --> 00:41:03,800
statements about will will

1059
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,400
have a chance to get into

1060
00:41:09,707 --> 00:41:10,774
budget later I did want say

1061
00:41:10,774 --> 00:41:12,710
and I I don't know how many of

1062
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:14,545
my fellow council members have

1063
00:41:14,545 --> 00:41:17,849
yet had a meeting with our cfo

1064
00:41:17,849 --> 00:41:18,549
and chief of staff about the

1065
00:41:18,549 --> 00:41:22,149
2027 budget. But I I have and

1066
00:41:22,454 --> 00:41:24,724
I recall seeing potential

1067
00:41:24,724 --> 00:41:27,560
position for your office in

1068
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,280
there and I just am aware of

1069
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:29,796
again, if talked about need.

1070
00:41:29,796 --> 00:41:31,731
There's a lot of stuff you do

1071
00:41:31,731 --> 00:41:33,734
that you haven't talked about

1072
00:41:33,734 --> 00:41:35,350
here. Things that you're

1073
00:41:35,350 --> 00:41:38,372
responsible for it. But I just

1074
00:41:38,372 --> 00:41:39,239
wanted say that I do hope

1075
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,639
given that homelessness and

1076
00:41:43,611 --> 00:41:44,945
homeless response is. Probably

1077
00:41:44,945 --> 00:41:45,980
at the very tippy top in the

1078
00:41:45,980 --> 00:41:48,820
top 3 of things that are

1079
00:41:48,820 --> 00:41:50,252
citizens care about and are

1080
00:41:50,252 --> 00:41:51,860
concerned about that. We will

1081
00:41:51,860 --> 00:41:52,888
consider giving you the

1082
00:41:52,888 --> 00:41:53,589
support that you need for your

1083
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:56,589
office. And you're welcome to

1084
00:41:56,859 --> 00:41:58,327
respond to that. If you.

1085
00:41:58,327 --> 00:41:59,280
>> Thank you. Yeah, we did

1086
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:00,863
request you know, a number of

1087
00:42:00,863 --> 00:42:02,863
departments have requested

1088
00:42:02,898 --> 00:42:05,298
additional staff. We requested

1089
00:42:05,368 --> 00:42:06,335
a dedicated position for

1090
00:42:06,335 --> 00:42:07,537
homelessness operations. We

1091
00:42:07,537 --> 00:42:09,937
had this position previously

1092
00:42:10,441 --> 00:42:11,642
and lost it in the reduction

1093
00:42:11,642 --> 00:42:14,312
in force. And it's just it's a

1094
00:42:14,312 --> 00:42:17,582
key. It's a key position. It

1095
00:42:17,582 --> 00:42:18,550
would allow us to open I you

1096
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:20,950
know, I'm currently using

1097
00:42:21,319 --> 00:42:22,200
staff that could also be

1098
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:22,687
deploying some of these other

1099
00:42:22,687 --> 00:42:25,870
dollars into the communityo

1100
00:42:25,857 --> 00:42:27,920
do this work. So I think that

1101
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:27,793
it will make us more effective

1102
00:42:27,793 --> 00:42:30,193
in our homelessness response

1103
00:42:30,263 --> 00:42:31,831
ad and allow us to get more of

1104
00:42:31,831 --> 00:42:32,532
our money out the door. More

1105
00:42:32,532 --> 00:42:35,670
quickly on all of those other

1106
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:35,502
issues, housing and community

1107
00:42:35,502 --> 00:42:36,203
development.

1108
00:42:36,203 --> 00:42:39,203
>> Great. Thank you again in

1109
00:42:44,411 --> 00:42:46,411
the very much.

1110
00:42:47,481 --> 00:42:48,216
>> Did you have the 2 other

1111
00:42:48,216 --> 00:42:49,183
sites are there just from

1112
00:42:49,183 --> 00:42:51,850
their here? If anybody wanted

1113
00:42:51,850 --> 00:42:53,540
to talk about enforcement, I

1114
00:42:53,540 --> 00:42:53,755
added them because there had

1115
00:42:53,755 --> 00:42:55,958
been some questions about it.

1116
00:42:55,958 --> 00:42:57,726
So if council, would like to

1117
00:42:57,726 --> 00:43:00,726
talk about the to enforcement

1118
00:43:02,665 --> 00:43:03,433
slides. COUNCILMAN Donaldson.

1119
00:43:03,433 --> 00:43:04,167
>> I was going to have some

1120
00:43:04,167 --> 00:43:07,767
questions, but I would like to

1121
00:43:08,771 --> 00:43:11,771
see those slides. Okay. Before

1122
00:43:11,942 --> 00:43:12,543
>> I just some resources that

1123
00:43:12,543 --> 00:43:15,543
the list of the common

1124
00:43:17,314 --> 00:43:18,150
ordinances that we enforce.

1125
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:20,318
>> our municipal offenses and

1126
00:43:20,318 --> 00:43:22,486
how those are handled. And we

1127
00:43:22,486 --> 00:43:25,623
have members of the pd and

1128
00:43:25,623 --> 00:43:28,359
city Chen tell is here with

1129
00:43:28,359 --> 00:43:30,359
prosecution their questions.

1130
00:43:33,399 --> 00:43:35,233
>> Then then, ma'am.

1131
00:43:35,233 --> 00:43:35,935
Presidents have a few

1132
00:43:35,935 --> 00:43:38,935
questions. Mean, when was it?

1133
00:43:39,939 --> 00:43:41,774
We combined. Housing and

1134
00:43:41,774 --> 00:43:44,311
homelessness. It wasn't way a

1135
00:43:44,311 --> 00:43:45,110
few years ago, We how

1136
00:43:45,110 --> 00:43:47,411
homelessness officer in that

1137
00:43:50,551 --> 00:43:51,218
house and fell under.

1138
00:43:51,218 --> 00:43:53,287
>> Yeah, you know, I'm not

1139
00:43:53,287 --> 00:43:53,955
exactly it's been this way

1140
00:43:53,955 --> 00:43:54,689
since I've been here in the

1141
00:43:54,689 --> 00:43:57,425
second time previously. We did

1142
00:43:57,425 --> 00:43:59,694
this work under I I was

1143
00:43:59,694 --> 00:44:00,262
previously a community

1144
00:44:00,262 --> 00:44:01,830
development manager.

1145
00:44:01,830 --> 00:44:02,464
>> And what was your

1146
00:44:02,464 --> 00:44:04,464
predecessors name? Forgot

1147
00:44:07,236 --> 00:44:08,904
Steve Posey. And good housing.

1148
00:44:08,904 --> 00:44:13,104
But then who was a do homes

1149
00:44:13,844 --> 00:44:15,978
and the Phelps Phelps? Yeah.

1150
00:44:15,978 --> 00:44:16,780
And what strikes me is when we

1151
00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:19,780
put it together like pose.

1152
00:44:20,451 --> 00:44:22,219
Yes, France. All right. Chief

1153
00:44:22,219 --> 00:44:23,353
housing and homelessness

1154
00:44:23,353 --> 00:44:24,589
response officer. It just

1155
00:44:24,589 --> 00:44:26,357
seems like we think, you know

1156
00:44:26,357 --> 00:44:27,292
what if we had if we can lower

1157
00:44:27,292 --> 00:44:28,260
the price of housing than

1158
00:44:28,260 --> 00:44:29,661
these people living on the

1159
00:44:29,661 --> 00:44:31,830
streets would go away. And I

1160
00:44:31,830 --> 00:44:34,830
don't think that will happen.

1161
00:44:35,267 --> 00:44:37,267
Do you

1162
00:44:38,337 --> 00:44:41,274
>> Faking mean? There is a a

1163
00:44:41,274 --> 00:44:43,674
homelessness and housing are

1164
00:44:45,945 --> 00:44:46,513
deeply related housing There's

1165
00:44:46,513 --> 00:44:47,781
a struck. There is a

1166
00:44:47,781 --> 00:44:48,415
structural problem in our

1167
00:44:48,415 --> 00:44:50,918
community in terms of the

1168
00:44:50,918 --> 00:44:51,285
availability of affordable

1169
00:44:51,285 --> 00:44:51,985
housing.

1170
00:44:51,985 --> 00:44:54,385
>> a certain percentage of

1171
00:44:54,889 --> 00:44:55,522
people that we see on the

1172
00:44:55,522 --> 00:44:57,224
street. So I guess we're

1173
00:44:57,224 --> 00:44:59,260
talking about the un House.

1174
00:44:59,260 --> 00:45:00,996
Homeless groups un have Begun

1175
00:45:00,996 --> 00:45:02,263
Suisse com. A certain

1176
00:45:02,263 --> 00:45:03,197
percentage MAY actually if we

1177
00:45:03,197 --> 00:45:05,534
could simply get a lower cost

1178
00:45:05,534 --> 00:45:07,937
housing unit for them, they

1179
00:45:07,937 --> 00:45:08,570
would go back to work day.

1180
00:45:08,570 --> 00:45:11,570
That's asking a lot. They

1181
00:45:12,508 --> 00:45:13,209
would be ok. Aren't there

1182
00:45:13,209 --> 00:45:13,909
other things that contribute

1183
00:45:13,909 --> 00:45:16,780
to this other than simply the

1184
00:45:16,780 --> 00:45:16,813
cost of housing?

1185
00:45:16,813 --> 00:45:19,213
>> Yeah. Oh, absolutely. There

1186
00:45:20,249 --> 00:45:21,251
are there's there's mental

1187
00:45:21,251 --> 00:45:23,251
illness. There's drug

1188
00:45:24,221 --> 00:45:25,990
addiction. There's trauma.

1189
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:26,623
There's

1190
00:45:26,623 --> 00:45:28,125
>> employment and wages.

1191
00:45:28,125 --> 00:45:28,626
There's a number of things

1192
00:45:28,626 --> 00:45:30,626
that contribute.

1193
00:45:31,229 --> 00:45:32,597
>> I think the challenge we

1194
00:45:32,597 --> 00:45:34,232
have is that the majority of

1195
00:45:34,232 --> 00:45:36,632
people who are experiencing

1196
00:45:37,350 --> 00:45:38,403
homelessness in our community

1197
00:45:38,403 --> 00:45:39,137
are not those people. You're

1198
00:45:39,137 --> 00:45:42,137
talking about ask you this.

1199
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:43,276
The the majority that are.

1200
00:45:43,276 --> 00:45:44,409
>> We have a lot of fancy

1201
00:45:44,409 --> 00:45:48,900
words now weighs com big runs

1202
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:48,681
on house homeless. Would you

1203
00:45:48,681 --> 00:45:49,382
say the majority of them

1204
00:45:49,382 --> 00:45:50,350
either have drug addiction or

1205
00:45:50,350 --> 00:45:52,350
mental health problems?

1206
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,720
>> I would say and there MAY

1207
00:45:57,791 --> 00:45:58,892
be a nuance here.

1208
00:45:58,892 --> 00:45:59,894
>> Council member and we might

1209
00:45:59,894 --> 00:46:00,595
want to have different

1210
00:46:00,595 --> 00:46:01,495
conversation about this. But

1211
00:46:01,495 --> 00:46:03,464
what I would say is the

1212
00:46:03,464 --> 00:46:04,799
majority of people who are

1213
00:46:04,799 --> 00:46:05,533
considered unhoused are people

1214
00:46:05,533 --> 00:46:06,201
who are living in shelters for

1215
00:46:06,201 --> 00:46:08,770
people who are doubled up.

1216
00:46:08,770 --> 00:46:09,504
Poor people who are couch

1217
00:46:09,504 --> 00:46:12,441
surfing, people who are living

1218
00:46:12,441 --> 00:46:13,175
in their vehicles. There are

1219
00:46:13,175 --> 00:46:16,175
thousands of people on waiting

1220
00:46:16,412 --> 00:46:17,847
lists for housing. So I think

1221
00:46:17,847 --> 00:46:18,948
that we have different. We

1222
00:46:18,948 --> 00:46:20,817
have to have different

1223
00:46:20,817 --> 00:46:21,618
strategies for people with

1224
00:46:21,618 --> 00:46:24,618
different needs and not is

1225
00:46:26,589 --> 00:46:27,358
really the basis for this.

1226
00:46:27,358 --> 00:46:28,580
>> For the

1227
00:46:28,580 --> 00:46:30,458
>> Having real-time data and

1228
00:46:30,527 --> 00:46:31,228
case conferencing. And yes, I

1229
00:46:31,228 --> 00:46:32,897
cannot say that there are not

1230
00:46:32,897 --> 00:46:36,497
folks out there who are. You

1231
00:46:36,767 --> 00:46:37,802
that? The answer is not just

1232
00:46:37,802 --> 00:46:40,638
to put them into a home and

1233
00:46:40,638 --> 00:46:43,809
let them be. That is not the

1234
00:46:43,809 --> 00:46:46,745
answer. But the answers are

1235
00:46:46,745 --> 00:46:48,745
very individual lives.

1236
00:46:48,814 --> 00:46:49,649
>> And I don't think you said

1237
00:46:49,649 --> 00:46:50,349
I cannot say that there are

1238
00:46:50,349 --> 00:46:53,949
people out there like this is

1239
00:46:54,221 --> 00:46:55,121
if it's a few, I think it's a

1240
00:46:55,121 --> 00:46:56,423
whole bunch of the ones that

1241
00:46:56,423 --> 00:46:57,156
are on the street and the

1242
00:46:57,156 --> 00:46:58,592
parks and on the creek. It's a

1243
00:46:58,592 --> 00:47:00,992
whole bunch of them.

1244
00:47:03,264 --> 00:47:05,660
>> And lowering. Just strikes

1245
00:47:05,660 --> 00:47:05,899
me that when we have your

1246
00:47:05,899 --> 00:47:08,102
position is running housing

1247
00:47:08,102 --> 00:47:10,502
and also doing homelessness.

1248
00:47:12,407 --> 00:47:13,410
>> That is and it's not all I

1249
00:47:13,410 --> 00:47:14,543
think it would be better

1250
00:47:14,543 --> 00:47:16,512
split. The 2 positions out

1251
00:47:16,512 --> 00:47:17,446
into again have a homelessness

1252
00:47:17,446 --> 00:47:18,514
response person. That's what

1253
00:47:18,514 --> 00:47:19,181
they do. And that's all they

1254
00:47:19,181 --> 00:47:22,781
do. And they focus on this

1255
00:47:24,620 --> 00:47:26,422
other stuff, too, because it's

1256
00:47:26,422 --> 00:47:28,659
sort of the create creates

1257
00:47:28,659 --> 00:47:29,593
this idea that, well, you

1258
00:47:29,593 --> 00:47:30,560
know, if we just had less

1259
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:31,294
expensive housing, this

1260
00:47:31,294 --> 00:47:33,997
problem be over, I don't think

1261
00:47:33,997 --> 00:47:36,901
that's even close to true. And

1262
00:47:36,901 --> 00:47:39,300
when we when we shut down

1263
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:39,837
state inpatient, mental health

1264
00:47:39,837 --> 00:47:41,272
institutions that created a

1265
00:47:41,272 --> 00:47:42,400
bunch people who can survive

1266
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,875
on their own no matter what

1267
00:47:43,875 --> 00:47:47,475
the cost of housing is. And

1268
00:47:47,913 --> 00:47:49,682
when we legalize marijuana and

1269
00:47:49,682 --> 00:47:50,382
drugs became more prevalent

1270
00:47:50,382 --> 00:47:50,983
throughout our society. More

1271
00:47:50,983 --> 00:47:52,818
people got addicted to

1272
00:47:52,818 --> 00:47:53,753
different kinds of drugs and

1273
00:47:53,753 --> 00:47:54,453
it doesn't matter what the

1274
00:47:54,453 --> 00:47:57,857
cost of housing is. That's a

1275
00:47:57,857 --> 00:47:58,525
that's its own problem. And if

1276
00:47:58,525 --> 00:47:59,159
you're going we're going to

1277
00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:01,559
focus on homelessness. We

1278
00:48:01,561 --> 00:48:05,161
really need to focus on where

1279
00:48:06,566 --> 00:48:08,569
do with the these people.

1280
00:48:08,569 --> 00:48:09,804
>> sorry. I just want you get

1281
00:48:09,804 --> 00:48:10,504
your view on that. Do you

1282
00:48:10,504 --> 00:48:13,504
think that your position will

1283
00:48:14,342 --> 00:48:15,760
be better?

1284
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:15,710
>> Splitting the 2 again as it

1285
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:18,947
used to be when I came on

1286
00:48:18,947 --> 00:48:20,315
council is that way?

1287
00:48:20,315 --> 00:48:21,217
>> I think my position is

1288
00:48:21,217 --> 00:48:23,519
titled Because of the Way the

1289
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:25,519
Housing and Homelessness

1290
00:48:27,390 --> 00:48:29,359
Response Department is titled

1291
00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:29,892
What We're asking for is a

1292
00:48:29,892 --> 00:48:30,727
homeless operations

1293
00:48:30,727 --> 00:48:33,127
Cordinator, which was the

1294
00:48:33,362 --> 00:48:34,310
position that was doing the

1295
00:48:34,310 --> 00:48:35,666
coordination work. It came

1296
00:48:35,666 --> 00:48:36,399
under housing and

1297
00:48:36,399 --> 00:48:37,968
homelessness. Response area me

1298
00:48:37,968 --> 00:48:40,968
that we had a separate

1299
00:48:41,672 --> 00:48:42,339
position doing that. My job

1300
00:48:42,339 --> 00:48:45,339
has been largely to oversee

1301
00:48:45,776 --> 00:48:48,413
all of those those resources

1302
00:48:48,413 --> 00:48:50,682
that being deployed and help

1303
00:48:50,682 --> 00:48:51,583
set the strategy for how we

1304
00:48:51,583 --> 00:48:53,652
get dollars into the community

1305
00:48:53,652 --> 00:48:56,520
to address community issues.

1306
00:48:57,690 --> 00:48:59,459
My job has never been entirely

1307
00:48:59,459 --> 00:49:01,461
homelessness response. And I

1308
00:49:01,461 --> 00:49:03,697
think that is a

1309
00:49:03,697 --> 00:49:04,597
misunderstanding. Phelps job

1310
00:49:04,597 --> 00:49:05,432
was that and I think we need

1311
00:49:05,432 --> 00:49:06,990
someone with Andy Phelps job

1312
00:49:06,990 --> 00:49:08,499
again, just focusing on

1313
00:49:08,802 --> 00:49:10,670
homelessness nothing else.

1314
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:12,839
>> That 100%. And that is what

1315
00:49:12,839 --> 00:49:13,908
we're requesting. That is what

1316
00:49:13,908 --> 00:49:14,641
we've requested. And we it

1317
00:49:14,641 --> 00:49:18,241
also need to, I think, stopped

1318
00:49:19,513 --> 00:49:21,183
the misinformation. And this

1319
00:49:21,183 --> 00:49:22,450
is just it's just cost of

1320
00:49:22,450 --> 00:49:23,151
housing problem. If we could

1321
00:49:23,151 --> 00:49:25,200
just get housing costs, lower

1322
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,200
everything. Be ok? I think

1323
00:49:28,891 --> 00:49:29,492
that's just not true. Even the

1324
00:49:29,492 --> 00:49:31,892
title of your position

1325
00:49:32,495 --> 00:49:36,950
confuses it. Yeah, want one or

1326
00:49:37,367 --> 00:49:38,235
2 more questions. You know,

1327
00:49:38,235 --> 00:49:40,690
the mayor had his press

1328
00:49:40,690 --> 00:49:40,804
conference and he rolled out

1329
00:49:40,804 --> 00:49:42,439
the homeless response team and

1330
00:49:42,439 --> 00:49:43,340
I don't know who the lady was,

1331
00:49:43,340 --> 00:49:46,340
but there was someone off

1332
00:49:46,410 --> 00:49:47,444
camera who asked inconvenient

1333
00:49:47,444 --> 00:49:48,145
question, well, haven't you

1334
00:49:48,145 --> 00:49:49,747
been doing this like for the

1335
00:49:49,747 --> 00:49:50,348
last couple of years? And what

1336
00:49:50,348 --> 00:49:53,348
was the answer to that

1337
00:49:54,318 --> 00:49:55,253
question?

1338
00:49:55,253 --> 00:49:55,954
>> Yeah, I mean, we have been

1339
00:49:55,954 --> 00:49:57,623
meeting our departments have

1340
00:49:57,623 --> 00:49:59,224
been convening for a couple of

1341
00:49:59,224 --> 00:50:00,559
years. It's just a new

1342
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:01,160
direction in setting a tone

1343
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,290
that we are all working

1344
00:50:03,290 --> 00:50:03,896
together and it gets to your

1345
00:50:03,896 --> 00:50:05,398
point about homelessness is

1346
00:50:05,398 --> 00:50:08,398
not just a housing problem.

1347
00:50:11,204 --> 00:50:11,772
Homelessness is a problem with

1348
00:50:11,772 --> 00:50:12,506
criminal activity put

1349
00:50:12,506 --> 00:50:14,341
homelessness a met, a health

1350
00:50:14,341 --> 00:50:16,741
and behavioral health problem.

1351
00:50:18,111 --> 00:50:19,147
Homelessness does create trash

1352
00:50:19,147 --> 00:50:21,749
and then so it's a cleanup

1353
00:50:21,749 --> 00:50:22,751
program. A problem right?

1354
00:50:22,751 --> 00:50:23,618
There are a variety of

1355
00:50:23,618 --> 00:50:26,180
problems. No single position.

1356
00:50:28,623 --> 00:50:29,925
Even if we have position

1357
00:50:29,925 --> 00:50:30,859
dedicated to homelessness

1358
00:50:30,859 --> 00:50:32,728
response. We require all of

1359
00:50:32,728 --> 00:50:35,970
that expertise to come to the

1360
00:50:35,970 --> 00:50:35,765
table to identify what those

1361
00:50:35,765 --> 00:50:37,600
needs are. But we've really

1362
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,235
been doing this for several

1363
00:50:39,235 --> 00:50:40,437
years, right? All these groups

1364
00:50:40,437 --> 00:50:41,104
have been meeting and trying

1365
00:50:41,104 --> 00:50:44,704
figure out the best way to

1366
00:50:45,376 --> 00:50:46,430
coordinate.

1367
00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:46,777
>> We have been meeting to

1368
00:50:46,777 --> 00:50:48,512
community, if you think of and

1369
00:50:48,512 --> 00:50:49,213
I don't want to get really

1370
00:50:49,213 --> 00:50:51,449
nerdy here. But if you think

1371
00:50:51,449 --> 00:50:53,351
of a call us a spectrum of

1372
00:50:53,351 --> 00:50:54,486
collaboration, we've done a

1373
00:50:54,486 --> 00:50:55,186
good job of communicating and

1374
00:50:55,186 --> 00:50:57,989
talking about some of the

1375
00:50:57,989 --> 00:51:00,989
shared issues but not setting.

1376
00:51:01,593 --> 00:51:02,594
>> Our a r.

1377
00:51:02,594 --> 00:51:04,594
>> Aligning our performance

1378
00:51:04,797 --> 00:51:06,631
aligning are planning in a

1379
00:51:06,631 --> 00:51:09,310
meaningful Well, I remembered

1380
00:51:09,435 --> 00:51:10,403
so watch conference. A press

1381
00:51:10,403 --> 00:51:11,700
conference and then woman,

1382
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:11,738
whoever she was. So what's

1383
00:51:11,738 --> 00:51:14,738
really going to change? And

1384
00:51:15,374 --> 00:51:16,109
then the mayor? Wasn't really

1385
00:51:16,109 --> 00:51:19,113
sure. So we asked you and your

1386
00:51:19,113 --> 00:51:21,181
example as well. We could when

1387
00:51:21,181 --> 00:51:22,917
we do try to one of these big

1388
00:51:22,917 --> 00:51:25,917
campsites we could before the

1389
00:51:26,620 --> 00:51:27,889
police come, we could have

1390
00:51:27,889 --> 00:51:29,900
like the social workers come

1391
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:29,790
the day before and tell them

1392
00:51:29,790 --> 00:51:33,390
what's going to happen. So if

1393
00:51:35,330 --> 00:51:35,998
they want to. You know,

1394
00:51:35,998 --> 00:51:36,599
received services, they can

1395
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:39,599
you can do that. First.

1396
00:51:40,169 --> 00:51:42,169
Remember that?

1397
00:51:44,207 --> 00:51:46,760
>> I do remember that

1398
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:46,743
encampment, closure strategy

1399
00:51:46,743 --> 00:51:49,143
Oklahoma City, for example,

1400
00:51:49,513 --> 00:51:50,214
just in our we had a fellow

1401
00:51:50,214 --> 00:51:52,183
here spent the summer with us

1402
00:51:52,183 --> 00:51:54,385
who's now with Oklahoma City

1403
00:51:54,385 --> 00:51:56,287
and they go out and they just

1404
00:51:56,287 --> 00:51:59,287
cleared a camp meant. 75 folks

1405
00:51:59,958 --> 00:52:00,692
put 55 directly into housing

1406
00:52:00,692 --> 00:52:02,561
20 Aaron Case management folks

1407
00:52:02,561 --> 00:52:03,662
have case management for a

1408
00:52:03,662 --> 00:52:06,662
year and they are permanently

1409
00:52:09,435 --> 00:52:10,302
closing the site. So those are

1410
00:52:10,302 --> 00:52:11,300
strategies. Example of that

1411
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:11,671
strategy about this. Because

1412
00:52:11,671 --> 00:52:14,573
what I always notice on the

1413
00:52:14,573 --> 00:52:17,644
news when we do this, we

1414
00:52:17,644 --> 00:52:18,912
>> sweep a campsite always the

1415
00:52:18,912 --> 00:52:21,781
big ones is several people get

1416
00:52:21,781 --> 00:52:22,449
arrested. Felons get arrested.

1417
00:52:22,449 --> 00:52:24,849
>> Actually more than more

1418
00:52:25,652 --> 00:52:26,287
than a couple. So if the

1419
00:52:26,287 --> 00:52:27,210
social workers go the day

1420
00:52:27,210 --> 00:52:27,655
before and tell them, you know

1421
00:52:27,655 --> 00:52:30,550
what, tomorrow police are

1422
00:52:30,158 --> 00:52:30,959
going to be here. It seems to

1423
00:52:30,959 --> 00:52:31,710
me the real h#

1424
00:52:31,710 --> 00:52:31,185
#

1425
00:52:31,185 --> 00:52:31,292
#

1426
00:52:31,292 --> 00:52:31,398
#

1427
00:52:31,398 --> 00:52:31,509
#

1428
00:52:31,509 --> 00:52:31,618
#

1429
00:52:31,618 --> 00:52:31,736
#

1430
00:52:31,736 --> 00:52:33,361
criminals

1431
00:52:33,361 --> 00:52:35,363
that are in their will pack up

1432
00:52:35,363 --> 00:52:37,633
and move on, right? Right

1433
00:52:37,633 --> 00:52:40,436
there. And so will MISS That

1434
00:52:40,436 --> 00:52:43,436
opportunity to take felons off

1435
00:52:43,906 --> 00:52:44,540
the off the street. It's so to

1436
00:52:44,540 --> 00:52:47,100
me, if that was the best

1437
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:48,812
example we had, that was an

1438
00:52:48,812 --> 00:52:50,947
odd example of what would be

1439
00:52:50,947 --> 00:52:51,614
better. And then just to go

1440
00:52:51,614 --> 00:52:52,282
back to it because you said

1441
00:52:52,282 --> 00:52:55,282
this earlier is will close

1442
00:52:56,319 --> 00:52:57,530
these champs permanently. How

1443
00:52:57,530 --> 00:52:58,956
how does that really work when

1444
00:52:58,956 --> 00:53:01,158
sweep by an area on a creek

1445
00:53:01,158 --> 00:53:02,994
and then we actually clean it

1446
00:53:02,994 --> 00:53:04,829
up. We get all the garbage

1447
00:53:04,829 --> 00:53:05,630
out, all the tents and all the

1448
00:53:05,630 --> 00:53:05,171
c#

1449
00:53:05,171 --> 00:53:05,294
#

1450
00:53:05,294 --> 00:53:05,697
#

1451
00:53:05,697 --> 00:53:07,697
that's accumulated there.

1452
00:53:08,133 --> 00:53:09,534
How do we permanently closed?

1453
00:53:09,534 --> 00:53:12,104
>> Well, you can permit closed

1454
00:53:12,104 --> 00:53:12,738
things through activation

1455
00:53:12,738 --> 00:53:13,438
through fencing through a

1456
00:53:13,438 --> 00:53:15,438
hostile architecture. There's

1457
00:53:15,575 --> 00:53:17,577
a number of things that you

1458
00:53:17,577 --> 00:53:18,811
can do. I don't have does not

1459
00:53:18,811 --> 00:53:20,714
sense it or or put up hostile.

1460
00:53:20,714 --> 00:53:22,714
It does it.

1461
00:53:23,816 --> 00:53:26,719
>> There are a variety of ways

1462
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,889
to do this. I do not have the

1463
00:53:28,889 --> 00:53:30,290
planet is an example of what

1464
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:30,957
communities do to try and keep

1465
00:53:30,957 --> 00:53:33,694
from moving folks around. I

1466
00:53:33,694 --> 00:53:34,528
think our own team are

1467
00:53:34,528 --> 00:53:37,528
homeless. U.S. Response team

1468
00:53:40,168 --> 00:53:40,968
has expressed the concern that

1469
00:53:40,968 --> 00:53:42,968
enforcement without that

1470
00:53:43,305 --> 00:53:44,500
making the meaningful

1471
00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:44,940
connection just moves people

1472
00:53:44,940 --> 00:53:47,977
to other places. And we see

1473
00:53:47,977 --> 00:53:48,711
folks circulating in the city

1474
00:53:48,711 --> 00:53:51,581
and somebody in our within the

1475
00:53:51,581 --> 00:53:52,315
city described it halves of

1476
00:53:52,315 --> 00:53:54,715
destruction that get complete,

1477
00:53:55,251 --> 00:53:55,885
that get created because

1478
00:53:55,885 --> 00:53:58,422
people know that we are a

1479
00:53:58,422 --> 00:53:59,689
community that enforces and so

1480
00:53:59,689 --> 00:54:01,458
they will just pick up and

1481
00:54:01,458 --> 00:54:04,950
leave when that when a campus

1482
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:06,931
side so we can look at other

1483
00:54:06,931 --> 00:54:08,833
best. This bringing that up

1484
00:54:08,833 --> 00:54:09,967
our entire all of our

1485
00:54:09,967 --> 00:54:11,937
departments together to figure

1486
00:54:11,937 --> 00:54:14,390
out how do we solve this

1487
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:15,374
problem? How do we solve the

1488
00:54:15,374 --> 00:54:18,900
problem? And that I don't have

1489
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:19,450
the planet. Is it? This is a

1490
00:54:19,450 --> 00:54:21,513
plan that would need to be

1491
00:54:21,513 --> 00:54:22,215
created by this team. But it

1492
00:54:22,215 --> 00:54:25,815
is an example of what cities

1493
00:54:28,210 --> 00:54:28,688
do. It is an example.

1494
00:54:28,688 --> 00:54:30,560
>> My impression from that

1495
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:30,691
press conference was that

1496
00:54:30,691 --> 00:54:32,250
essentially this has been

1497
00:54:32,250 --> 00:54:34,227
happening for the last couple

1498
00:54:34,227 --> 00:54:34,895
years. The mayor, the mayor

1499
00:54:34,895 --> 00:54:35,630
himself so well, we'll just

1500
00:54:35,630 --> 00:54:38,966
make it more formal now, as we

1501
00:54:38,966 --> 00:54:40,802
said, he said, will it's

1502
00:54:40,802 --> 00:54:41,469
official now. So to me, it was

1503
00:54:41,469 --> 00:54:45,600
a pr stunt is will come out

1504
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:45,706
and will announce this. We'll

1505
00:54:45,706 --> 00:54:46,441
call will give it a name and

1506
00:54:46,441 --> 00:54:48,243
we'll just we'll do what we've

1507
00:54:48,243 --> 00:54:50,643
been doing and disappointing

1508
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:52,548
for me. He just didn't seem

1509
00:54:52,548 --> 00:54:55,548
like there is anything new

1510
00:54:56,586 --> 00:54:57,453
there. And if we're going to

1511
00:54:57,453 --> 00:54:59,823
say like we're going to

1512
00:54:59,823 --> 00:55:00,557
permanently close the sites.

1513
00:55:00,557 --> 00:55:01,290
Tell me, you know, tell me how

1514
00:55:01,290 --> 00:55:04,260
you're going to do that. And I

1515
00:55:04,260 --> 00:55:06,864
don't. I don't think you

1516
00:55:06,864 --> 00:55:07,564
really can. Unless it's

1517
00:55:07,564 --> 00:55:08,699
underneath the bridge, a new

1518
00:55:08,699 --> 00:55:10,934
fence it off or put rocks

1519
00:55:10,934 --> 00:55:12,503
under there. But that's not

1520
00:55:12,503 --> 00:55:13,137
where the big campsites are

1521
00:55:13,137 --> 00:55:16,137
anyway there in the trees

1522
00:55:22,648 --> 00:55:23,416
along the creek. So I think I

1523
00:55:23,416 --> 00:55:25,250
think things are being

1524
00:55:25,250 --> 00:55:26,586
suggested will be able to do

1525
00:55:26,586 --> 00:55:27,353
these things. And you really

1526
00:55:27,353 --> 00:55:28,200
won't be able to do those

1527
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,657
things. You're not gonna be

1528
00:55:30,657 --> 00:55:31,357
able to close down the creek

1529
00:55:31,357 --> 00:55:34,957
beds. We're going to have to

1530
00:55:34,995 --> 00:55:36,230
have a level of enforcement

1531
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:39,333
that as soon as begins, it is

1532
00:55:39,333 --> 00:55:41,302
it is stopped.

1533
00:55:41,302 --> 00:55:43,771
>> I have ideas on that. But

1534
00:55:43,771 --> 00:55:47,371
I'm not going to go. Dry

1535
00:55:47,442 --> 00:55:48,900
tonight. Believe time.

1536
00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:50,900
>> enforcement is key

1537
00:55:51,479 --> 00:55:53,949
component of that. As we have

1538
00:55:53,949 --> 00:55:54,549
created urban trail Ranger

1539
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:56,510
programs and given the

1540
00:55:56,510 --> 00:55:57,190
authority post and those sorts

1541
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:58,221
of things.

1542
00:55:58,221 --> 00:55:59,880
>> But again, we don't solve

1543
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,880
these problems if we're not

1544
00:56:03,860 --> 00:56:05,795
solving them together. If if

1545
00:56:05,795 --> 00:56:06,496
one department.

1546
00:56:06,496 --> 00:56:07,464
>> I think that what I heard

1547
00:56:07,464 --> 00:56:09,833
is that we've been working

1548
00:56:09,833 --> 00:56:11,735
together for 2 years. That and

1549
00:56:11,735 --> 00:56:12,769
the mayor, I heard him say all

1550
00:56:12,769 --> 00:56:15,673
this. He came into office. He

1551
00:56:15,673 --> 00:56:16,841
said, hey, do we meet

1552
00:56:16,841 --> 00:56:17,809
together? And then people

1553
00:56:17,809 --> 00:56:18,777
said, well, we can do that.

1554
00:56:18,777 --> 00:56:19,811
And then we started doing a

1555
00:56:19,811 --> 00:56:21,412
pretty early on in his 4

1556
00:56:21,412 --> 00:56:22,113
years, which would make sense.

1557
00:56:22,113 --> 00:56:24,160
You shouldn't wait till 3 and

1558
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,616
a half years to asked that

1559
00:56:27,819 --> 00:56:28,520
question. And so now we give

1560
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,991
it an official title. We call

1561
00:56:31,991 --> 00:56:33,226
it the whatever it's called.

1562
00:56:33,226 --> 00:56:33,993
But we have essentially

1563
00:56:33,993 --> 00:56:37,164
continue to do what we've been

1564
00:56:37,164 --> 00:56:37,831
doing. It and some things have

1565
00:56:37,831 --> 00:56:38,565
change of only got one more

1566
00:56:38,565 --> 00:56:40,801
quick the final thing I'd like

1567
00:56:40,801 --> 00:56:42,536
to hear about is. And I guess

1568
00:56:42,536 --> 00:56:46,407
this would be from pd is how?

1569
00:56:46,407 --> 00:56:46,874
>> Or

1570
00:56:46,874 --> 00:56:48,874
>> prosecutors.

1571
00:56:50,278 --> 00:56:50,879
>> When when we passed the you

1572
00:56:50,879 --> 00:56:53,879
can't live in your car

1573
00:56:54,415 --> 00:56:55,851
ordinance in our city. We were

1574
00:56:55,851 --> 00:56:56,552
warned that we were going to

1575
00:56:56,552 --> 00:56:59,552
cause the overflowing of our

1576
00:57:00,356 --> 00:57:02,358
of our jail. Mothers and

1577
00:57:02,358 --> 00:57:03,590
children would now be

1578
00:57:03,590 --> 00:57:05,459
wandering the streets because

1579
00:57:05,528 --> 00:57:07,497
kick them out of the we heard

1580
00:57:07,497 --> 00:57:08,731
about this. So I'd like to

1581
00:57:08,731 --> 00:57:10,700
hear a little about the

1582
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:11,334
enforcement. How many actual

1583
00:57:11,334 --> 00:57:12,100
times that citations been

1584
00:57:12,100 --> 00:57:14,401
written. Things like that.

1585
00:57:16,173 --> 00:57:17,700
Thank you.

1586
00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:17,741
>> Good morning, ladies and

1587
00:57:17,741 --> 00:57:20,678
gentlemen of right, Ted Lilly,

1588
00:57:20,678 --> 00:57:21,880
10 of our homeless operations

1589
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:22,614
team. That law went into

1590
00:57:22,614 --> 00:57:24,150
effect. I believe it was MARCH

1591
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:26,351
24th through 26th of this

1592
00:57:26,351 --> 00:57:27,520
year. And so we've been in

1593
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,520
effect enforcing that for the

1594
00:57:30,255 --> 00:57:31,290
last 5 months. The numbers

1595
00:57:31,290 --> 00:57:32,290
that we have so far, the

1596
00:57:32,290 --> 00:57:35,270
number of vehicle camps that

1597
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:35,929
we have contacted his 335 5

1598
00:57:35,929 --> 00:57:39,529
and a half months in the

1599
00:57:39,598 --> 00:57:40,800
number of people cited is 28

1600
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:41,601
it's a very anecdotal took of

1601
00:57:41,601 --> 00:57:45,439
my team to say, hey, how many

1602
00:57:45,439 --> 00:57:46,173
of those people have been

1603
00:57:46,173 --> 00:57:48,909
families with young kids? None

1604
00:57:48,909 --> 00:57:50,770
of them happened. Usually been

1605
00:57:50,770 --> 00:57:52,800
single adults. We have some

1606
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:53,470
that are multiple offenders

1607
00:57:53,470 --> 00:57:54,148
and that for us as we

1608
00:57:54,148 --> 00:57:55,830
individual, we contacted the

1609
00:57:55,830 --> 00:57:55,783
second. We contact him in his

1610
00:57:55,783 --> 00:57:59,187
vehicle. He jumps out in the

1611
00:57:59,187 --> 00:57:59,921
fight is on. And so it's not

1612
00:57:59,921 --> 00:58:02,190
that we're contacting families

1613
00:58:02,190 --> 00:58:03,659
with young kids all the time.

1614
00:58:03,659 --> 00:58:04,660
It's rarely even with that

1615
00:58:04,660 --> 00:58:06,428
officers still have discretion

1616
00:58:06,428 --> 00:58:07,797
on whether or not they want to

1617
00:58:07,797 --> 00:58:08,531
say and individual, depending

1618
00:58:08,531 --> 00:58:11,531
on the circumstances that they

1619
00:58:13,136 --> 00:58:13,837
come into.

1620
00:58:13,837 --> 00:58:16,105
>> And is that lieutenant to

1621
00:58:16,105 --> 00:58:17,740
please that ordinance been

1622
00:58:17,740 --> 00:58:17,908
useful when you go to a

1623
00:58:17,908 --> 00:58:18,508
neighborhood on that

1624
00:58:18,508 --> 00:58:20,177
complaint, which you're

1625
00:58:20,177 --> 00:58:21,579
receiving before that

1626
00:58:21,579 --> 00:58:24,515
someone's living in front of

1627
00:58:24,515 --> 00:58:26,417
my house or next to the park.

1628
00:58:26,417 --> 00:58:27,384
Is this ordinance useful and

1629
00:58:27,384 --> 00:58:28,119
in addressing that and

1630
00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:30,756
bringing a sense of order back

1631
00:58:30,756 --> 00:58:31,756
to the neighborhood?

1632
00:58:31,756 --> 00:58:34,260
>> Yes, we've I've gotten

1633
00:58:34,260 --> 00:58:36,260
specific feedback directly

1634
00:58:36,227 --> 00:58:36,929
from citizens whenhey've

1635
00:58:36,929 --> 00:58:38,300
placed ago Cos complaints or

1636
00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:40,132
requests are called us

1637
00:58:40,132 --> 00:58:40,867
directly asking for that

1638
00:58:40,867 --> 00:58:41,501
enforcement piece for us to go

1639
00:58:41,501 --> 00:58:43,901
out and initially contact

1640
00:58:43,936 --> 00:58:44,604
those individuals. First, the

1641
00:58:44,604 --> 00:58:45,305
law requires that we give a

1642
00:58:45,305 --> 00:58:48,305
warning to them first before

1643
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:49,709
they can be cited at least

1644
00:58:49,709 --> 00:58:50,377
once. And so that warning

1645
00:58:50,377 --> 00:58:51,780
usually helps. And then the

1646
00:58:51,780 --> 00:58:53,914
leave that area and we don't

1647
00:58:53,914 --> 00:58:55,249
hear from them again.

1648
00:58:55,249 --> 00:58:56,830
>> And the goal, I'll speak

1649
00:58:56,830 --> 00:58:59,988
for myself on that was to this

1650
00:58:59,988 --> 00:59:02,230
needs to be like. Carrots and

1651
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:03,592
sticks like we want you to

1652
00:59:03,592 --> 00:59:04,292
come and receive help in

1653
00:59:04,292 --> 00:59:07,292
getting out of this situation

1654
00:59:08,597 --> 00:59:10,433
that you find yourself in. If

1655
00:59:10,433 --> 00:59:11,600
you don't, we're not going

1656
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,636
allow you to live in your car.

1657
00:59:13,636 --> 00:59:14,570
You're going to get cited. You

1658
00:59:14,570 --> 00:59:15,270
could even potentially,

1659
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:17,373
although unlikely get sent to

1660
00:59:17,373 --> 00:59:19,373
jail for 10 days.

1661
00:59:22,110 --> 00:59:24,281
>> Has has it. You MAY not

1662
00:59:24,281 --> 00:59:25,148
know this but firsthand, but

1663
00:59:25,148 --> 00:59:28,748
has it been useful in getting

1664
00:59:30,921 --> 00:59:31,255
people out of the cars

1665
00:59:31,255 --> 00:59:32,560
>> into

1666
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:32,823
>> Some kind of a living

1667
00:59:32,823 --> 00:59:34,159
situation is different.

1668
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:35,160
Whether it's Springs rescue

1669
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,160
mission, Catholic Charities,

1670
00:59:38,764 --> 00:59:40,764
whatever it is.

1671
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:42,234
>> I don't have that data.

1672
00:59:42,234 --> 00:59:42,902
It's a serving release ticket.

1673
00:59:42,902 --> 00:59:44,403
Always. So any time we come

1674
00:59:44,403 --> 00:59:45,710
into contact with somebody,

1675
00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:46,371
it's a server least ticket

1676
00:59:46,371 --> 00:59:48,608
like somebody would get on a

1677
00:59:48,608 --> 00:59:49,242
traffic stop. And then we go

1678
00:59:49,242 --> 00:59:49,976
on our way on to the next

1679
00:59:49,976 --> 00:59:51,978
thing. So we're not conducting

1680
00:59:51,978 --> 00:59:53,947
follow-up with that individual

1681
00:59:53,947 --> 00:59:55,150
later. We do offer outreach

1682
00:59:55,150 --> 00:59:55,715
resources to individuals were

1683
00:59:55,715 --> 00:59:57,551
in contact with them. Whether

1684
00:59:57,551 --> 00:59:58,252
or not they take advantage of

1685
00:59:58,252 --> 01:00:00,955
those is up to them. We can't

1686
01:00:00,955 --> 01:00:03,925
force that issue, but we do

1687
01:00:03,925 --> 01:00:04,525
offer those resources contact

1688
01:00:04,525 --> 01:00:05,259
with them.

1689
01:00:05,259 --> 01:00:05,961
>> Has there only been the one

1690
01:00:05,961 --> 01:00:08,396
that you mentioned? It's been

1691
01:00:08,396 --> 01:00:10,332
cited more than once.

1692
01:00:10,332 --> 01:00:11,199
>> believe so. I know of one

1693
01:00:11,199 --> 01:00:13,602
for sure that we cited

1694
01:00:13,602 --> 01:00:15,602
multiple times.

1695
01:00:17,406 --> 01:00:18,740
>> And I don't know if

1696
01:00:18,740 --> 01:00:19,576
attorneys office would have

1697
01:00:19,576 --> 01:00:22,576
any anything you could add.

1698
01:00:23,130 --> 01:00:24,114
>> Just about if.

1699
01:00:24,114 --> 01:00:24,848
>> We were also warned this

1700
01:00:24,848 --> 01:00:27,848
would be overwhelmed the court

1701
01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:30,530
system.

1702
01:00:30,530 --> 01:00:31,422
>> It would be too much if we

1703
01:00:31,422 --> 01:00:33,822
tried this. The continuing

1704
01:00:34,258 --> 01:00:34,992
over on the court system. How

1705
01:00:34,992 --> 01:00:35,859
is that?

1706
01:00:35,859 --> 01:00:38,259
>> Worked Good Morning Council

1707
01:00:38,696 --> 01:00:39,797
Chantal Withrow Division chief

1708
01:00:39,797 --> 01:00:40,465
for prosecution,

1709
01:00:40,465 --> 01:00:42,167
unfortunately, are still a

1710
01:00:42,167 --> 01:00:42,834
little early in the data

1711
01:00:42,834 --> 01:00:43,568
because after pd issues, a

1712
01:00:43,568 --> 01:00:45,804
citation is about a month away

1713
01:00:45,804 --> 01:00:46,505
before the coming to court. We

1714
01:00:46,505 --> 01:00:47,807
have to offer the ability to

1715
01:00:47,807 --> 01:00:50,900
get attorneys, that kind of

1716
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:51,778
thing. So I can't say much

1717
01:00:51,778 --> 01:00:52,812
about the results of these

1718
01:00:52,812 --> 01:00:54,800
cases, but it has not been a

1719
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:54,780
significant number that is

1720
01:00:54,780 --> 01:00:57,780
overpowered the ability of us

1721
01:00:57,917 --> 01:00:58,619
to do our job.

1722
01:00:58,619 --> 01:00:59,386
>> Location tell. Thank you.

1723
01:00:59,386 --> 01:01:01,786
Again, it's always important

1724
01:01:02,923 --> 01:01:03,757
to say this every time

1725
01:01:03,757 --> 01:01:05,326
confiscation of the vehicle is

1726
01:01:05,326 --> 01:01:05,826
not a part of the ordinance.

1727
01:01:05,826 --> 01:01:06,427
Correct?

1728
01:01:06,427 --> 01:01:08,162
>> No, it would have to

1729
01:01:08,162 --> 01:01:09,264
violate some other or or some

1730
01:01:09,264 --> 01:01:11,664
other provision of law.

1731
01:01:15,403 --> 01:01:16,805
>> Okay. Ok, thank That's it

1732
01:01:16,805 --> 01:01:19,805
for me. MADAM PRESIDENT, thank

1733
01:01:21,210 --> 01:01:21,911
you, COUNCILMAN. My number.

1734
01:01:21,911 --> 01:01:24,911
>> a trying put some numbers

1735
01:01:25,181 --> 01:01:25,915
to all this to kind of help

1736
01:01:25,915 --> 01:01:26,649
people kind of understand this

1737
01:01:26,649 --> 01:01:29,520
housing piece a little bit. So

1738
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:29,753
if someone unable to work,

1739
01:01:29,753 --> 01:01:32,753
okay, that last job, whatever

1740
01:01:34,391 --> 01:01:35,326
it might be and they start

1741
01:01:35,326 --> 01:01:36,427
applying for funds. I'm going

1742
01:01:36,427 --> 01:01:39,427
throw a number like the $1240

1743
01:01:40,999 --> 01:01:41,699
is what they can get a month.

1744
01:01:41,699 --> 01:01:44,699
From somebody in the average

1745
01:01:45,669 --> 01:01:47,390
cost of like a one bedroom

1746
01:01:47,390 --> 01:01:48,774
home. A one-bedroom apartment

1747
01:01:48,774 --> 01:01:50,810
is probably around that

1748
01:01:50,810 --> 01:01:52,311
amount. So that doesn't leave

1749
01:01:52,311 --> 01:01:54,480
any money for food, medical

1750
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,880
expenses or anything else.

1751
01:01:58,952 --> 01:01:59,652
there seems to be. There are

1752
01:01:59,652 --> 01:02:02,652
other programs they can. They

1753
01:02:03,657 --> 01:02:05,925
can apply for a list of other

1754
01:02:05,925 --> 01:02:06,894
programs. Stapp, for example,

1755
01:02:06,894 --> 01:02:09,196
leaking they can go there's

1756
01:02:09,196 --> 01:02:11,596
some disability act stuff.

1757
01:02:16,238 --> 01:02:17,372
Medicaid, of course s I d I

1758
01:02:17,372 --> 01:02:18,273
which I wasn't familiar with

1759
01:02:18,273 --> 01:02:20,673
that. Something that's just

1760
01:02:22,410 --> 01:02:25,410
just realized. And then ssi.

1761
01:02:25,747 --> 01:02:28,747
So and with those. It's

1762
01:02:29,184 --> 01:02:32,184
complicated. Yeah. And so one

1763
01:02:32,622 --> 01:02:33,289
of my questions is, do we have

1764
01:02:33,289 --> 01:02:35,689
enough caseworkers who are

1765
01:02:39,930 --> 01:02:40,664
trained? With sore? What I

1766
01:02:40,664 --> 01:02:41,766
understand that that's kind of

1767
01:02:41,766 --> 01:02:42,700
a combination of those

1768
01:02:42,700 --> 01:02:43,334
understandings of those

1769
01:02:43,334 --> 01:02:44,350
different things. Do have

1770
01:02:44,350 --> 01:02:46,437
enough of those in our county

1771
01:02:46,437 --> 01:02:48,437
right now.

1772
01:02:48,973 --> 01:02:50,875
>> You notice or has been a a

1773
01:02:50,875 --> 01:02:53,679
blitzer. But the best practice

1774
01:02:53,679 --> 01:02:55,381
program.

1775
01:02:55,381 --> 01:02:56,480
>> At No, I think one of the

1776
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,448
things that providers have

1777
01:02:59,352 --> 01:03:03,552
said to us in our convening Ys

1778
01:03:05,225 --> 01:03:05,926
is that? 3 of the 3 top

1779
01:03:05,926 --> 01:03:09,290
priorities that came out of a

1780
01:03:09,290 --> 01:03:10,898
convening where data we don't

1781
01:03:10,898 --> 01:03:11,565
have adequate data to solve

1782
01:03:11,565 --> 01:03:12,266
the problem. We don't know

1783
01:03:12,266 --> 01:03:15,266
what's working and what's not

1784
01:03:16,704 --> 01:03:17,739
working at a system level.

1785
01:03:17,739 --> 01:03:19,739
>> don't have system

1786
01:03:20,742 --> 01:03:21,576
leadership. So somebody who's

1787
01:03:21,576 --> 01:03:23,178
actually

1788
01:03:23,178 --> 01:03:23,912
>> leading we have tackle that

1789
01:03:23,912 --> 01:03:27,149
with our continuum of care. In

1790
01:03:27,149 --> 01:03:27,883
fact, I think this city work

1791
01:03:27,883 --> 01:03:28,817
to talk about the data and the

1792
01:03:28,817 --> 01:03:29,485
system leadership with our

1793
01:03:29,485 --> 01:03:30,886
partnership with the Pikes

1794
01:03:30,886 --> 01:03:34,423
Peak United Way. And the 3rd

1795
01:03:34,423 --> 01:03:35,125
one was case management.

1796
01:03:35,125 --> 01:03:36,526
They're just did not. There's

1797
01:03:36,526 --> 01:03:38,695
not sufficient resources to

1798
01:03:38,695 --> 01:03:39,896
provide case management to

1799
01:03:39,896 --> 01:03:40,431
support the pop. The number of

1800
01:03:40,431 --> 01:03:42,399
people experiencing

1801
01:03:42,399 --> 01:03:43,990
homelessness in our community.

1802
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:46,503
So I mean, I would have to go

1803
01:03:46,503 --> 01:03:47,572
back. I don't have a list of

1804
01:03:47,572 --> 01:03:49,173
how many sore trained case

1805
01:03:49,173 --> 01:03:50,474
workers there are in our

1806
01:03:50,474 --> 01:03:54,740
community. But so is has been

1807
01:03:54,379 --> 01:03:55,113
a best practice to help people

1808
01:03:55,113 --> 01:03:56,314
navigate the systems which are

1809
01:03:56,314 --> 01:03:57,490
really complex. It's not about

1810
01:03:57,490 --> 01:03:58,317
just going out an application,

1811
01:03:58,317 --> 01:04:00,317
those applications take.

1812
01:04:01,921 --> 01:04:03,723
>> Multiple if to fill them

1813
01:04:03,723 --> 01:04:06,123
out multiple before you

1814
01:04:06,692 --> 01:04:08,227
successful.

1815
01:04:08,227 --> 01:04:11,227
>> On top of that, what

1816
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:12,999
they're possibility of housing

1817
01:04:12,999 --> 01:04:13,700
vouchers. But we've had

1818
01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:15,468
housing vouchers for helping

1819
01:04:15,468 --> 01:04:18,468
cut correctly and soul. Now

1820
01:04:19,573 --> 01:04:22,643
they're harder to get. And so

1821
01:04:22,643 --> 01:04:23,311
a lot of individuals that MAY

1822
01:04:23,311 --> 01:04:24,450
be have been dependent upon

1823
01:04:24,450 --> 01:04:25,913
those housing vouchers to help

1824
01:04:25,913 --> 01:04:26,982
fill that gap because I just

1825
01:04:26,982 --> 01:04:30,582
pointed it out. If they can

1826
01:04:30,686 --> 01:04:33,686
get 1000, what are they safe

1827
01:04:35,124 --> 01:04:35,758
1000

1828
01:04:35,758 --> 01:04:38,158
>> Yet yeah. They're just

1829
01:04:39,796 --> 01:04:42,196
there are $290. That's rent.

1830
01:04:45,335 --> 01:04:46,502
>> There About 3,003 1000

1831
01:04:46,502 --> 01:04:47,638
people just under 3,000,

1832
01:04:47,638 --> 01:04:50,240
people on the waitlist for

1833
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:50,942
housing choice vouchers in our

1834
01:04:50,942 --> 01:04:51,609
community, which is what many

1835
01:04:51,609 --> 01:04:54,609
think folks with. No, it's

1836
01:04:55,613 --> 01:04:56,847
actually.

1837
01:04:56,847 --> 01:04:59,247
>> There are over 400 people

1838
01:04:59,551 --> 01:05:00,219
on our coordinated entry

1839
01:05:00,219 --> 01:05:00,786
waiting list who are people

1840
01:05:00,786 --> 01:05:02,287
who are experiencing

1841
01:05:02,287 --> 01:05:03,189
homelessness, who are actively

1842
01:05:03,189 --> 01:05:05,589
seeking housing. So there's

1843
01:05:06,926 --> 01:05:07,994
over 400 people on that list

1844
01:05:07,994 --> 01:05:11,594
and the kids confidence to a

1845
01:05:11,864 --> 01:05:14,670
handful of units every month.

1846
01:05:14,670 --> 01:05:17,204
The housing need in our Again,

1847
01:05:17,204 --> 01:05:18,305
30% of the gap is for folks

1848
01:05:18,305 --> 01:05:20,705
earning 30% of the area,

1849
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,408
median income or less.

1850
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:30,247
>> And so it is housing. It is

1851
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,589
a challenge in our community.

1852
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:34,223
>> It's complicated. All

1853
01:05:34,223 --> 01:05:37,425
right. I mean, any of us

1854
01:05:37,425 --> 01:05:38,940
anyone in this room? That

1855
01:05:38,940 --> 01:05:41,940
might be in that situation

1856
01:05:41,230 --> 01:05:42,532
would have to go pretty

1857
01:05:42,532 --> 01:05:43,600
extensive filling out for this

1858
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:44,267
is what homeless people are

1859
01:05:44,267 --> 01:05:44,968
doing every single day. And

1860
01:05:44,968 --> 01:05:46,936
they did. So they just do it

1861
01:05:46,936 --> 01:05:49,936
on their computer. Always But

1862
01:05:50,206 --> 01:05:50,941
they go to a library right? So

1863
01:05:50,941 --> 01:05:53,377
they could access a library to

1864
01:05:53,377 --> 01:05:56,977
get some help. There. And and

1865
01:05:58,549 --> 01:06:00,518
so but it's still they have to

1866
01:06:00,518 --> 01:06:01,219
figure out how to do this. And

1867
01:06:01,219 --> 01:06:04,255
if they're not holding down a

1868
01:06:04,255 --> 01:06:04,957
job and they don't have.

1869
01:06:04,957 --> 01:06:07,357
There's some challenges with

1870
01:06:08,627 --> 01:06:10,930
all of that. Okay. That leads

1871
01:06:10,930 --> 01:06:12,431
me into the next question. And

1872
01:06:12,431 --> 01:06:15,168
this is where I want to send.

1873
01:06:15,168 --> 01:06:17,568
Send. Tell back up

1874
01:06:23,744 --> 01:06:24,445
So we cite people for illegal

1875
01:06:24,445 --> 01:06:27,445
camp things because we don't

1876
01:06:28,449 --> 01:06:29,417
have a lot of other choices.

1877
01:06:29,417 --> 01:06:32,587
We can't just tell someone to

1878
01:06:32,587 --> 01:06:34,823
move on. We have to say it's

1879
01:06:34,823 --> 01:06:35,523
illegal. You can't camp here.

1880
01:06:35,523 --> 01:06:38,961
And then when they don't move

1881
01:06:38,961 --> 01:06:42,980
on. Our only response is a

1882
01:06:42,980 --> 01:06:44,980
citation. Mostly Campion

1883
01:06:44,467 --> 01:06:46,569
citations that we have are not

1884
01:06:46,569 --> 01:06:48,605
jail bull offenses, though

1885
01:06:48,605 --> 01:06:49,506
they're usually finds. Is that

1886
01:06:49,506 --> 01:06:50,774
correct?

1887
01:06:50,774 --> 01:06:52,309
>> So it does have a maximum

1888
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:55,309
potential penalty of up to 10

1889
01:06:55,746 --> 01:06:56,680
days in jail or $2500 fine.

1890
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:57,314
That is the absolute maximum.

1891
01:06:57,314 --> 01:06:59,490
Not something that we see

1892
01:06:59,490 --> 01:06:59,716
regular regularly, though.

1893
01:06:59,716 --> 01:07:01,986
>> So there is a component

1894
01:07:01,986 --> 01:07:04,386
with camping, but that's

1895
01:07:05,657 --> 01:07:07,659
probably not something da. It

1896
01:07:07,659 --> 01:07:08,693
would to sell for first

1897
01:07:08,693 --> 01:07:09,895
something along those lines,

1898
01:07:09,895 --> 01:07:10,561
right? What will get give us a

1899
01:07:10,561 --> 01:07:12,297
picture of what that looks

1900
01:07:12,297 --> 01:07:13,598
like. I want to understand

1901
01:07:13,598 --> 01:07:14,333
like what what are they

1902
01:07:14,333 --> 01:07:14,967
dealing with when they get

1903
01:07:14,967 --> 01:07:17,967
this can't be a violation

1904
01:07:18,404 --> 01:07:20,239
ticket. What are likely going

1905
01:07:20,239 --> 01:07:20,940
to get?

1906
01:07:20,940 --> 01:07:21,941
>> Right. And really depends.

1907
01:07:21,941 --> 01:07:22,608
And I know I hate canceling.

1908
01:07:22,608 --> 01:07:24,677
That is a lawyer because we

1909
01:07:24,677 --> 01:07:26,879
say it all the time. But it

1910
01:07:26,879 --> 01:07:27,581
depends a lot on the actual

1911
01:07:27,581 --> 01:07:29,383
fence itself. Whether or not

1912
01:07:29,383 --> 01:07:30,518
you're on private property,

1913
01:07:30,518 --> 01:07:32,918
public property, but received

1914
01:07:34,155 --> 01:07:35,156
one citation or 15, whether

1915
01:07:35,156 --> 01:07:36,458
you have a criminal history

1916
01:07:36,458 --> 01:07:38,858
that includes other things

1917
01:07:39,260 --> 01:07:40,162
that makes it more of an

1918
01:07:40,162 --> 01:07:40,829
aggravated case. So we look at

1919
01:07:40,829 --> 01:07:43,829
all of the factors together

1920
01:07:44,866 --> 01:07:45,868
before we come up with

1921
01:07:45,868 --> 01:07:47,168
>> we do have our fire

1922
01:07:47,168 --> 01:07:48,371
department partners that work

1923
01:07:48,371 --> 01:07:49,839
with us as well. So if there's

1924
01:07:49,839 --> 01:07:51,441
somebody that's willing to

1925
01:07:51,441 --> 01:07:52,141
accept resources, sometimes we

1926
01:07:52,141 --> 01:07:54,578
do what's called a diversion

1927
01:07:54,578 --> 01:07:55,450
or positive case, give them an

1928
01:07:55,450 --> 01:07:56,913
opportunity to.

1929
01:07:56,913 --> 01:07:59,913
>> Kind of put their there

1930
01:07:59,950 --> 01:08:00,850
actions to their words.

1931
01:08:00,850 --> 01:08:01,852
>> And so we can decide to

1932
01:08:01,852 --> 01:08:03,587
dismiss cases of people are

1933
01:08:03,587 --> 01:08:04,555
actively working with our

1934
01:08:04,555 --> 01:08:05,656
resources.

1935
01:08:05,656 --> 01:08:06,590
>> But sometimes it does come

1936
01:08:06,590 --> 01:08:09,693
down to jail. And it just

1937
01:08:09,693 --> 01:08:10,270
depends on all that right? If

1938
01:08:10,270 --> 01:08:11,863
actors.

1939
01:08:11,863 --> 01:08:15,463
>> So this is where it becomes

1940
01:08:16,301 --> 01:08:17,200
a problem for there's lots of

1941
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,200
these individuals that have a

1942
01:08:24,110 --> 01:08:24,844
cute. Drug addiction behavior,

1943
01:08:24,844 --> 01:08:27,844
health, mental illness, and et

1944
01:08:30,651 --> 01:08:31,251
cetera. How are they going to

1945
01:08:31,251 --> 01:08:31,985
fill out the forms and

1946
01:08:31,985 --> 01:08:34,955
everything to get the income

1947
01:08:34,955 --> 01:08:35,722
in order to get housing? How

1948
01:08:35,722 --> 01:08:39,322
are they going to navigate the

1949
01:08:39,794 --> 01:08:42,290
system? Is there a place for

1950
01:08:42,290 --> 01:08:44,366
people who are not capable of

1951
01:08:44,366 --> 01:08:48,566
doing it the way that we have

1952
01:08:50,806 --> 01:08:51,507
set They end up just given up

1953
01:08:51,507 --> 01:08:52,441
because they they don't know

1954
01:08:52,441 --> 01:08:54,276
how to feel. They don't know

1955
01:08:54,276 --> 01:08:56,579
how access some of these

1956
01:08:56,579 --> 01:08:57,513
resources. And so they just

1957
01:08:57,513 --> 01:08:59,913
continually get citations and

1958
01:09:00,483 --> 01:09:02,418
get sent to you over and over.

1959
01:09:02,418 --> 01:09:03,886
I mean, I've seen one

1960
01:09:03,886 --> 01:09:06,286
individual that had over 200

1961
01:09:07,524 --> 01:09:08,959
citations and he's still on

1962
01:09:08,959 --> 01:09:11,562
the street. So there's we seem

1963
01:09:11,562 --> 01:09:12,864
to be we have this one issue

1964
01:09:12,864 --> 01:09:15,864
where if they're not capable

1965
01:09:15,900 --> 01:09:18,503
of taking care of themselves.

1966
01:09:18,503 --> 01:09:19,370
How do you respond to that?

1967
01:09:19,370 --> 01:09:22,207
>> And you put up on the most

1968
01:09:22,207 --> 01:09:23,376
complicated part of my job.

1969
01:09:23,376 --> 01:09:24,143
They're different legal

1970
01:09:24,143 --> 01:09:26,144
standards as well. So if

1971
01:09:26,144 --> 01:09:28,114
you're not competent mean, you

1972
01:09:28,114 --> 01:09:30,216
can't understand yourself the

1973
01:09:30,216 --> 01:09:30,884
ability to understand the

1974
01:09:30,884 --> 01:09:33,530
system and a sister defense

1975
01:09:33,530 --> 01:09:33,754
attorney in in your case that

1976
01:09:33,754 --> 01:09:37,240
we can't prosecute you. So it

1977
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,590
goes to a different world.

1978
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:40,494
There's another to take care

1979
01:09:40,494 --> 01:09:41,261
of yourself and not be a

1980
01:09:41,261 --> 01:09:42,363
danger to yourself or others

1981
01:09:42,363 --> 01:09:45,266
to be commitd Sibley, which

1982
01:09:45,266 --> 01:09:46,567
is a very high standard to

1983
01:09:46,567 --> 01:09:48,336
meet. And there's a standard

1984
01:09:48,336 --> 01:09:49,370
of people that you just stated

1985
01:09:49,370 --> 01:09:49,737
that just can't get together

1986
01:09:49,737 --> 01:09:53,274
enough to fill out the forms

1987
01:09:53,274 --> 01:09:54,843
or don't understand them as

1988
01:09:54,843 --> 01:09:57,713
the court we do have or show

1989
01:09:57,713 --> 01:09:58,800
or show up at court for

1990
01:09:58,800 --> 01:09:58,814
Correct.

1991
01:09:58,814 --> 01:09:59,482
>> So we do have the ability

1992
01:09:59,482 --> 01:10:00,415
to have a court appointed

1993
01:10:00,415 --> 01:10:03,252
attorneys appointed to some of

1994
01:10:03,252 --> 01:10:04,221
these cases that can assist.

1995
01:10:04,221 --> 01:10:06,560
>> We do have our fire

1996
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:06,689
partners that can help people

1997
01:10:06,689 --> 01:10:07,391
in as long as people are

1998
01:10:07,391 --> 01:10:10,426
willing to sit there and work

1999
01:10:10,426 --> 01:10:11,162
with them. A lot of the hard

2000
01:10:11,162 --> 01:10:13,830
work calls upon them to do the

2001
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:14,866
actual paperwork and that kind

2002
01:10:14,866 --> 01:10:15,466
of stuff. But you have hit

2003
01:10:15,466 --> 01:10:17,201
upon one of the biggest

2004
01:10:17,201 --> 01:10:20,201
problems we have with repeat

2005
01:10:21,139 --> 01:10:21,873
offenders is how to make that

2006
01:10:21,873 --> 01:10:22,574
behavior change and whether or

2007
01:10:22,574 --> 01:10:24,376
not they're capable of doing

2008
01:10:24,376 --> 01:10:26,645
it sometimes is a challenge.

2009
01:10:26,645 --> 01:10:28,714
>> Because of trying like

2010
01:10:28,714 --> 01:10:29,549
what's what's the motivation

2011
01:10:29,549 --> 01:10:30,682
when they just don't

2012
01:10:30,682 --> 01:10:33,419
understand or can't figure out

2013
01:10:33,419 --> 01:10:34,420
how to fill out the forms

2014
01:10:34,420 --> 01:10:37,420
right? That's where it gets

2015
01:10:37,991 --> 01:10:39,126
kind of problematic. And

2016
01:10:39,126 --> 01:10:40,259
that's where your job becomes

2017
01:10:40,259 --> 01:10:42,259
really difficult because

2018
01:10:42,963 --> 01:10:43,630
you're trying to deal with an

2019
01:10:43,630 --> 01:10:46,300
individual that is violated

2020
01:10:46,134 --> 01:10:49,236
the law over and over again

2021
01:10:49,236 --> 01:10:50,205
here we're trying to because

2022
01:10:50,205 --> 01:10:52,106
we are so limited and the

2023
01:10:52,106 --> 01:10:54,209
tools that we have because of

2024
01:10:54,209 --> 01:10:56,209
competency laws complications

2025
01:10:57,790 --> 01:10:58,180
right? Because a lot of these

2026
01:10:58,180 --> 01:10:59,447
individuals you just know,

2027
01:10:59,447 --> 01:11:02,447
they're just not right. I

2028
01:11:02,951 --> 01:11:03,652
mean, the I mean, they need

2029
01:11:03,652 --> 01:11:06,289
>> our society needs to do a

2030
01:11:06,289 --> 01:11:09,889
better job. Denver needs to do

2031
01:11:10,293 --> 01:11:11,628
a better job of of working on

2032
01:11:11,628 --> 01:11:12,428
a competency laws that really

2033
01:11:12,428 --> 01:11:16,280
help us deal with this instead

2034
01:11:17,670 --> 01:11:17,768
of having to cite a or use

2035
01:11:17,768 --> 01:11:18,402
local laws to try to control

2036
01:11:18,402 --> 01:11:19,270
it. But we don't have any

2037
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:20,438
other choices, right? We're

2038
01:11:20,438 --> 01:11:23,241
kind of we're kind of caught

2039
01:11:23,241 --> 01:11:23,975
in this place.

2040
01:11:23,975 --> 01:11:24,675
>> I would agree with that. We

2041
01:11:24,675 --> 01:11:27,646
are bound in a lot of ways by

2042
01:11:27,646 --> 01:11:28,312
the state legislation that

2043
01:11:28,312 --> 01:11:30,312
defines competency defines

2044
01:11:31,684 --> 01:11:32,418
when you can help somebody in

2045
01:11:32,418 --> 01:11:33,652
to a facility for their mental

2046
01:11:33,652 --> 01:11:35,521
health or their drug

2047
01:11:35,521 --> 01:11:36,555
addictions. And so

2048
01:11:36,555 --> 01:11:37,757
unfortunately, the municipal

2049
01:11:37,757 --> 01:11:39,259
level can't do anything but

2050
01:11:39,259 --> 01:11:41,127
follow the state laws in those

2051
01:11:41,127 --> 01:11:42,495
areas. You pointed out one of

2052
01:11:42,495 --> 01:11:43,300
the areas that I we struggle

2053
01:11:43,300 --> 01:11:45,599
with and we have to

2054
01:11:45,599 --> 01:11:46,333
individually evaluated person.

2055
01:11:46,333 --> 01:11:47,401
>> I think it's one of the

2056
01:11:47,401 --> 01:11:49,403
biggest gaps that we have

2057
01:11:49,403 --> 01:11:50,690
because we have some programs

2058
01:11:50,690 --> 01:11:51,773
that aren't some are quite

2059
01:11:51,773 --> 01:11:53,775
sufficient enough. They can be

2060
01:11:53,775 --> 01:11:54,408
better. But we do have

2061
01:11:54,408 --> 01:11:56,244
programs. But these these

2062
01:11:56,244 --> 01:11:59,244
folks, they don't apply for

2063
01:11:59,982 --> 01:12:01,490
them because they just. They

2064
01:12:01,490 --> 01:12:03,952
don't have the cap capability

2065
01:12:03,952 --> 01:12:05,888
to do right? You know, the

2066
01:12:05,888 --> 01:12:08,858
capability to show up to

2067
01:12:08,858 --> 01:12:09,892
court.

2068
01:12:09,892 --> 01:12:12,610
>> And so these are the

2069
01:12:12,610 --> 01:12:12,729
individuals that are our

2070
01:12:12,729 --> 01:12:15,310
police and fire are dealing

2071
01:12:15,310 --> 01:12:16,400
with every single day. And

2072
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,800
they're just repeat offenders.

2073
01:12:19,603 --> 01:12:20,671
You know, I heard the rescue

2074
01:12:20,671 --> 01:12:21,605
mission celebrated an

2075
01:12:21,605 --> 01:12:24,342
individual who had been at the

2076
01:12:24,342 --> 01:12:25,509
rescue mission for 20 years

2077
01:12:25,509 --> 01:12:26,611
and he just finally was able

2078
01:12:26,611 --> 01:12:29,614
to get to a place where it

2079
01:12:29,614 --> 01:12:32,614
could have his own That's

2080
01:12:33,619 --> 01:12:34,419
incredible. I mean, one that's

2081
01:12:34,419 --> 01:12:35,287
amazing that this individual,

2082
01:12:35,287 --> 01:12:38,887
you know, got a place after 20

2083
01:12:39,792 --> 01:12:41,792
years.

2084
01:12:44,698 --> 01:12:45,650
>> But it And that's not

2085
01:12:45,650 --> 01:12:45,899
movement.

2086
01:12:45,899 --> 01:12:48,535
>> I mean, you see on saying

2087
01:12:48,535 --> 01:12:49,235
that's not movement. And so

2088
01:12:49,235 --> 01:12:52,835
with the system, isil is the

2089
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:53,808
system is fundamentally. Not

2090
01:12:53,808 --> 01:12:56,644
capable of doing the job. We

2091
01:12:56,644 --> 01:12:57,745
need to do efficiently. That's

2092
01:12:57,745 --> 01:12:58,412
one of our issues. So we need

2093
01:12:58,412 --> 01:13:00,148
to kind of address his

2094
01:13:00,148 --> 01:13:02,548
competency laws, issues as

2095
01:13:03,117 --> 01:13:04,190
you've kind of rates right?

2096
01:13:04,190 --> 01:13:05,870
>> Yeah, I would agree with

2097
01:13:05,870 --> 01:13:06,540
you on. Fortunately again,

2098
01:13:06,540 --> 01:13:06,722
that is with the state

2099
01:13:06,722 --> 01:13:09,391
legislation. But we have to

2100
01:13:09,391 --> 01:13:10,920
work with any and her team to

2101
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:11,927
create bigger groups for for

2102
01:13:11,927 --> 01:13:14,163
some of those become super

2103
01:13:14,163 --> 01:13:14,997
utilize ERs. We did can

2104
01:13:14,997 --> 01:13:17,434
determine if there are other

2105
01:13:17,434 --> 01:13:18,168
avenues that we can proceed.

2106
01:13:18,168 --> 01:13:19,936
Even if competency is an issue

2107
01:13:19,936 --> 01:13:21,771
to it.

2108
01:13:21,771 --> 01:13:24,740
>> And just to kind of

2109
01:13:24,740 --> 01:13:27,740
reiterate and make sure this

2110
01:13:27,244 --> 01:13:30,244
is clear, is there anything

2111
01:13:31,182 --> 01:13:31,582
that we at city Council around

2112
01:13:31,582 --> 01:13:33,218
this issue?

2113
01:13:33,218 --> 01:13:33,952
>> Or is this just 100% a

2114
01:13:33,952 --> 01:13:37,552
state issue like we just can't

2115
01:13:38,289 --> 01:13:38,991
even go there?

2116
01:13:38,991 --> 01:13:39,691
>> It comes on the little bit

2117
01:13:39,691 --> 01:13:42,227
of funding as well as having

2118
01:13:42,227 --> 01:13:43,295
people that can focus on the

2119
01:13:43,295 --> 01:13:44,696
problem, working with our

2120
01:13:44,696 --> 01:13:45,398
partners apd. And as Amy has

2121
01:13:45,398 --> 01:13:46,698
said, it's it's about getting

2122
01:13:46,698 --> 01:13:47,400
the people that can understand

2123
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,400
the problem and develop their

2124
01:13:50,936 --> 01:13:53,140
focus to it. You know, smart

2125
01:13:53,140 --> 01:13:53,873
as a prosecutor in my role is

2126
01:13:53,873 --> 01:13:57,377
very limited because I'm an on

2127
01:13:57,377 --> 01:13:58,440
one side of the situation. But

2128
01:13:58,440 --> 01:13:59,447
getting to know the people

2129
01:13:59,447 --> 01:14:00,147
that you could reach out to in

2130
01:14:00,147 --> 01:14:03,451
the city and outside the city

2131
01:14:03,451 --> 01:14:04,510
in the community refer people

2132
01:14:04,510 --> 01:14:07,510
to is important and has

2133
01:14:07,555 --> 01:14:09,555
helped.

2134
01:14:09,825 --> 01:14:10,993
>> My last question is I hear

2135
01:14:10,993 --> 01:14:12,694
all the time that you'll bring

2136
01:14:12,694 --> 01:14:13,295
down a verdict for them to be

2137
01:14:13,295 --> 01:14:16,295
in jail for 10 days or

2138
01:14:16,632 --> 01:14:17,800
whatever it might be. And then

2139
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:20,769
they go to the jail and the

2140
01:14:20,769 --> 01:14:23,473
jail releases them in like 2

2141
01:14:23,473 --> 01:14:24,206
hours how does that happen?

2142
01:14:24,206 --> 01:14:25,275
What's going on? But I want to

2143
01:14:25,275 --> 01:14:27,675
understand what that what's

2144
01:14:27,945 --> 01:14:29,179
the loop hole there.

2145
01:14:29,179 --> 01:14:29,813
>> So there might be 2 things

2146
01:14:29,813 --> 01:14:32,213
you're talking about. One

2147
01:14:32,516 --> 01:14:33,151
might be what we call truth in

2148
01:14:33,151 --> 01:14:33,918
sentencing. And there are

2149
01:14:33,918 --> 01:14:35,553
state laws that basically say

2150
01:14:35,553 --> 01:14:36,654
if you get a sentence,

2151
01:14:36,654 --> 01:14:37,388
sometimes the sheriff can

2152
01:14:37,388 --> 01:14:39,925
reduce that based on good time

2153
01:14:39,925 --> 01:14:40,759
good behavior was in the jail.

2154
01:14:40,759 --> 01:14:42,493
>> Again, that's outside of

2155
01:14:42,493 --> 01:14:44,493
the municipal courts.

2156
01:14:44,496 --> 01:14:46,532
Providence. The other thing is

2157
01:14:46,532 --> 01:14:48,501
bond, which again is a state

2158
01:14:48,501 --> 01:14:49,435
issue and mandate upon us. We

2159
01:14:49,435 --> 01:14:50,102
have to release people with

2160
01:14:50,102 --> 01:14:51,771
certain low-level offenses,

2161
01:14:51,771 --> 01:14:53,839
including most of our

2162
01:14:53,839 --> 01:14:54,808
municipal fences. So even if

2163
01:14:54,808 --> 01:14:55,542
you're picked up on failing to

2164
01:14:55,542 --> 01:14:58,780
appear on most of the time, he

2165
01:14:58,780 --> 01:14:58,745
will be granted a bond

2166
01:14:58,745 --> 01:15:01,615
relatively quickly in in be

2167
01:15:01,615 --> 01:15:04,150
released from that facility.

2168
01:15:05,820 --> 01:15:09,420
>> it just sounds so. To good

2169
01:15:09,924 --> 01:15:12,924
things. I guess that's where

2170
01:15:12,994 --> 01:15:14,963
kind of like stuck at. I think

2171
01:15:14,963 --> 01:15:17,320
we need to be looking at other

2172
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:17,632
state officials to say, hey,

2173
01:15:17,632 --> 01:15:19,735
this issue needs to be

2174
01:15:19,735 --> 01:15:21,370
addressed its costs team

2175
01:15:21,370 --> 01:15:23,370
municipality, some real

2176
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,443
dollars. And we just not it's

2177
01:15:27,443 --> 01:15:28,144
making our jobs much more hard

2178
01:15:28,144 --> 01:15:31,144
work. The taxpayers paying a

2179
01:15:32,749 --> 01:15:33,484
lot. Because of some issues

2180
01:15:33,484 --> 01:15:35,850
that aren't being addressed at

2181
01:15:35,850 --> 01:15:37,850
the state level.

2182
01:15:37,588 --> 01:15:38,489
>> can understand that

2183
01:15:38,489 --> 01:15:39,189
sentiment Councilmember.

2184
01:15:39,189 --> 01:15:41,693
>> All right. Thank you very

2185
01:15:41,693 --> 01:15:42,760
much. Councilmember I I think

2186
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:44,429
this is again, one of the

2187
01:15:44,429 --> 01:15:45,163
strengths that we can bring

2188
01:15:45,163 --> 01:15:47,563
with the homelessness response

2189
01:15:49,501 --> 01:15:50,202
team, which is really getting

2190
01:15:50,202 --> 01:15:52,571
the date around this. The the

2191
01:15:52,571 --> 01:15:55,942
stories for the advocacy to do

2192
01:15:55,942 --> 01:15:57,430
this work.

2193
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:59,746
>> I agree with you because

2194
01:15:59,746 --> 01:16:00,981
that's how you tell the story.

2195
01:16:00,981 --> 01:16:02,115
Right? We can go forth and go

2196
01:16:02,115 --> 01:16:02,816
to our representatives and

2197
01:16:02,816 --> 01:16:06,320
say, hey, look at this. This

2198
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,230
is the costs. So there's

2199
01:16:09,230 --> 01:16:09,623
there's a bill that's coming

2200
01:16:09,623 --> 01:16:11,623
forward that indirectly

2201
01:16:12,793 --> 01:16:13,895
related to this around all.

2202
01:16:13,895 --> 01:16:14,562
And it's 0 tolerance, kind of

2203
01:16:14,562 --> 01:16:18,162
bill that will be voting on

2204
01:16:20,402 --> 01:16:21,503
the ballot. And it's mandatory

2205
01:16:21,503 --> 01:16:23,903
8 to 32 years. If you're

2206
01:16:24,173 --> 01:16:27,243
caught with a real more than a

2207
01:16:27,243 --> 01:16:30,243
single use dose because you'll

2208
01:16:31,714 --> 01:16:32,249
be construed tribute or

2209
01:16:32,249 --> 01:16:34,649
>> it's going be an

2210
01:16:34,918 --> 01:16:35,552
interesting thing. If that

2211
01:16:35,552 --> 01:16:37,487
passes.

2212
01:16:37,487 --> 01:16:39,887
>> And I unfortunately, I

2213
01:16:41,258 --> 01:16:42,192
think as we've discussed here,

2214
01:16:42,192 --> 01:16:45,863
one of the best tools we have

2215
01:16:45,863 --> 01:16:47,264
is law enforcement.

2216
01:16:47,264 --> 01:16:50,264
>> I wish it was something

2217
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,405
different. Yeah. Our we are

2218
01:16:53,405 --> 01:16:55,400
very well trained response of

2219
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:56,942
law enforcement work very

2220
01:16:56,942 --> 01:16:59,144
closely with providers and our

2221
01:16:59,144 --> 01:16:59,979
fire department they're doing

2222
01:16:59,979 --> 01:17:01,681
great. But I will tell you

2223
01:17:01,681 --> 01:17:02,548
that I think you've sort of

2224
01:17:02,548 --> 01:17:06,153
wrap this up, I think for us,

2225
01:17:06,153 --> 01:17:07,287
which is that, you know, we're

2226
01:17:07,287 --> 01:17:09,156
looking at not only it, you

2227
01:17:09,156 --> 01:17:09,823
you have to have support to

2228
01:17:09,823 --> 01:17:11,258
people to complete all the

2229
01:17:11,258 --> 01:17:11,958
various forms and get on the

2230
01:17:11,958 --> 01:17:13,270
waiting list. And then there

2231
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:14,862
has to be places for people to

2232
01:17:14,862 --> 01:17:16,831
be. And I think that's what we

2233
01:17:16,831 --> 01:17:19,401
heard with, you know, things

2234
01:17:19,401 --> 01:17:21,336
like safe parking or hopes to

2235
01:17:21,336 --> 01:17:22,571
bring to the community as well

2236
01:17:22,571 --> 01:17:23,972
to support the great work

2237
01:17:23,972 --> 01:17:26,372
that's already happening at

2238
01:17:27,420 --> 01:17:29,245
the Springs Rescue mission. So

2239
01:17:29,245 --> 01:17:31,146
when we think in terms there's

2240
01:17:31,146 --> 01:17:31,881
a maximum quality management

2241
01:17:31,881 --> 01:17:34,451
that is that a bad system will

2242
01:17:34,451 --> 01:17:35,385
be a good person every day.

2243
01:17:35,385 --> 01:17:38,288
And the system requires more

2244
01:17:38,288 --> 01:17:39,220
than just people to help Trump

2245
01:17:39,220 --> 01:17:39,723
the paperwork. There has to be

2246
01:17:39,723 --> 01:17:42,927
a bridge place for people to

2247
01:17:42,927 --> 01:17:45,129
be. Then that connection to

2248
01:17:45,129 --> 01:17:46,997
that exit. And that's what

2249
01:17:46,997 --> 01:17:48,198
we're really working as the

2250
01:17:48,198 --> 01:17:48,800
system is. How do we fill

2251
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,802
those gaps? We can't be

2252
01:17:50,802 --> 01:17:52,938
everywhere. Do everything, you

2253
01:17:52,938 --> 01:17:55,506
know, everywhere. All at once.

2254
01:17:55,506 --> 01:17:57,409
But I do feel 2 COUNCILMAN

2255
01:17:57,409 --> 01:18:00,409
Henson's comments that we are

2256
01:18:01,146 --> 01:18:01,847
beginning to see that how we

2257
01:18:01,847 --> 01:18:04,883
manage the system and how we

2258
01:18:04,883 --> 01:18:05,652
move people through that

2259
01:18:05,652 --> 01:18:06,552
system. It is very important

2260
01:18:06,552 --> 01:18:08,421
and to councilmember

2261
01:18:08,421 --> 01:18:10,523
Donaldson's comment, it won't

2262
01:18:10,523 --> 01:18:13,523
work for everybody. It won't

2263
01:18:15,428 --> 01:18:16,463
work for everybody. That, you

2264
01:18:16,463 --> 01:18:19,463
know, that becomes the issue

2265
01:18:22,670 --> 01:18:23,204
of law enforcement and a

2266
01:18:23,204 --> 01:18:24,710
prosecution sloss.

2267
01:18:24,710 --> 01:18:27,710
>> you know, Bill Floss the

2268
01:18:28,430 --> 01:18:28,944
carrot and stick right. It's

2269
01:18:28,944 --> 01:18:29,644
it's just the reality of the

2270
01:18:29,644 --> 01:18:32,644
human condition. You have to

2271
01:18:33,248 --> 01:18:35,217
kind of bring forth a either

2272
01:18:35,217 --> 01:18:38,817
award or, you know, the stick.

2273
01:18:39,923 --> 01:18:41,525
It's it's been that way for.

2274
01:18:41,525 --> 01:18:42,525
Forever. So thank you very

2275
01:18:42,525 --> 01:18:43,693
much. I think I got most like,

2276
01:18:43,693 --> 01:18:47,293
no, I don't have all my

2277
01:18:47,598 --> 01:18:48,231
questions is this is not a

2278
01:18:48,231 --> 01:18:49,700
it's open-ended question

2279
01:18:49,700 --> 01:18:50,334
because I think we have to

2280
01:18:50,334 --> 01:18:52,569
keep kind of pushing and

2281
01:18:52,569 --> 01:18:53,771
lenient on this and asking

2282
01:18:53,771 --> 01:18:56,771
questions over and over again

2283
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:57,742
about the realities harnesses.

2284
01:18:57,742 --> 01:19:00,742
Thank you. And diversion is

2285
01:19:01,213 --> 01:19:04,516
the best. Let me go back to

2286
01:19:04,516 --> 01:19:05,117
that. The version is the Yeah.

2287
01:19:05,117 --> 01:19:07,517
>> Yeah. Yeah. Lots of

2288
01:19:09,621 --> 01:19:10,189
success. That diversion.

2289
01:19:10,189 --> 01:19:11,858
COUNCILMAN Donaldson.

2290
01:19:11,858 --> 01:19:13,260
>> Yeah, thanks, John.

2291
01:19:13,260 --> 01:19:14,600
PRESIDENT On and just like to

2292
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:16,797
ask intent to play a couple

2293
01:19:16,797 --> 01:19:18,797
questions again.

2294
01:19:23,937 --> 01:19:26,937
Good morning. Never did say

2295
01:19:27,408 --> 01:19:28,642
good morning to Good morning,

2296
01:19:28,642 --> 01:19:31,420
When when team contacts,

2297
01:19:31,279 --> 01:19:34,879
people who over living on the

2298
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:38,870
on the street in the parks.

2299
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:39,422
>> You're

2300
01:19:39,422 --> 01:19:40,156
>> you're really once you

2301
01:19:40,156 --> 01:19:40,890
there's you know, a crime that

2302
01:19:40,890 --> 01:19:42,258
you are called. Therefore, you

2303
01:19:42,258 --> 01:19:45,258
have to investigate But tell

2304
01:19:45,929 --> 01:19:46,629
us 2 is your. And when you're

2305
01:19:46,629 --> 01:19:47,330
first things that you want to

2306
01:19:47,330 --> 01:19:51,680
do with this person is try to

2307
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:51,702
inform them about. Resources

2308
01:19:51,702 --> 01:19:54,702
that are out there spring

2309
01:19:55,939 --> 01:19:57,740
rescue mission at center.

2310
01:19:57,740 --> 01:20:00,740
>> Guess we always we always

2311
01:20:00,845 --> 01:20:02,813
give information on We are

2312
01:20:02,813 --> 01:20:04,983
actually we recently entered 3

2313
01:20:04,983 --> 01:20:05,617
families with 3 of our outside

2314
01:20:05,617 --> 01:20:06,284
agency partners with one

2315
01:20:06,284 --> 01:20:08,284
additional pending actually

2316
01:20:09,210 --> 01:20:09,989
with hopesthe less. And so we

2317
01:20:09,989 --> 01:20:11,990
do work with them closely. And

2318
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:13,959
we do offer those resources.

2319
01:20:13,959 --> 01:20:15,261
However, our pieces

2320
01:20:15,261 --> 01:20:15,995
enforcement. And so we have a

2321
01:20:15,995 --> 01:20:16,795
responsibility to the citizens

2322
01:20:16,795 --> 01:20:18,598
that are calling and

2323
01:20:18,598 --> 01:20:19,532
complaining have concerns

2324
01:20:19,532 --> 01:20:21,601
about people camping in their

2325
01:20:21,601 --> 01:20:23,403
alleyways or whatever to go

2326
01:20:23,403 --> 01:20:25,706
and investigate those. And

2327
01:20:25,706 --> 01:20:26,640
then and then either site or

2328
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,400
give warnings again, there's

2329
01:20:29,409 --> 01:20:30,780
discretion there to a point.

2330
01:20:30,780 --> 01:20:32,179
But we are that enforcement

2331
01:20:32,179 --> 01:20:32,579
piece with a certain really

2332
01:20:32,579 --> 01:20:33,515
stick. It.

2333
01:20:33,515 --> 01:20:37,115
>> And I believe in Forsman is

2334
01:20:37,619 --> 01:20:38,530
a huge part of the of solving

2335
01:20:38,530 --> 01:20:39,722
this problem.

2336
01:20:39,722 --> 01:20:41,556
>> But what I want to make

2337
01:20:41,556 --> 01:20:44,426
clear is that specially the

2338
01:20:44,426 --> 01:20:45,628
hot team officers cspd the

2339
01:20:45,628 --> 01:20:46,462
goal is and go, hey, we get to

2340
01:20:46,462 --> 01:20:47,163
go out in sight. Give someone

2341
01:20:47,163 --> 01:20:50,763
a ticket. Boy, this is great.

2342
01:20:50,867 --> 01:20:51,968
Let's go site. This guy.

2343
01:20:51,968 --> 01:20:54,968
>> Oracle question. But is it

2344
01:20:55,139 --> 01:20:55,839
is that the goal?

2345
01:20:55,839 --> 01:20:58,876
>> I wouldn't say the goal is

2346
01:20:58,876 --> 01:21:00,878
to say I would say the goal is

2347
01:21:00,878 --> 01:21:01,612
to we're trying to keep

2348
01:21:01,612 --> 01:21:03,747
community safe the law. So our

2349
01:21:03,747 --> 01:21:04,816
goal is to enforce the law

2350
01:21:04,816 --> 01:21:05,617
that can look differently.

2351
01:21:05,617 --> 01:21:07,385
Sometimes we are coming into

2352
01:21:07,385 --> 01:21:09,387
contact with people with

2353
01:21:09,387 --> 01:21:11,323
felony And so that is a piece

2354
01:21:11,323 --> 01:21:12,224
of it. The other big piece

2355
01:21:12,224 --> 01:21:14,226
that we deal with as we work

2356
01:21:14,226 --> 01:21:16,228
with public works very, very

2357
01:21:16,228 --> 01:21:18,331
closely every day with regard

2358
01:21:18,331 --> 01:21:19,498
to camp cleanups. And so I'm

2359
01:21:19,498 --> 01:21:20,166
not going to speak to what

2360
01:21:20,166 --> 01:21:21,134
they do and that they have

2361
01:21:21,134 --> 01:21:21,801
their own numbers. And how

2362
01:21:21,801 --> 01:21:25,138
much how many tons of trash

2363
01:21:25,138 --> 01:21:26,172
they pick up and in a given

2364
01:21:26,172 --> 01:21:28,208
month. But it's significant.

2365
01:21:28,208 --> 01:21:28,509
The hope the people living

2366
01:21:28,509 --> 01:21:30,211
out.

2367
01:21:30,211 --> 01:21:32,279
>> On the street that you

2368
01:21:32,279 --> 01:21:35,279
contact are many of them

2369
01:21:35,316 --> 01:21:36,350
unaware of the springs rescue

2370
01:21:36,350 --> 01:21:37,285
mission or a or a Catholic

2371
01:21:37,285 --> 01:21:37,986
charities. Are they not aware

2372
01:21:37,986 --> 01:21:41,586
of those things? I would say

2373
01:21:42,924 --> 01:21:44,580
most are aware. Okay, where in

2374
01:21:44,580 --> 01:21:44,760
so this is what I fly here

2375
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,760
over the last couple minutes

2376
01:21:48,197 --> 01:21:49,999
as we've had this discussion

2377
01:21:49,999 --> 01:21:51,167
is its it's not well, they

2378
01:21:51,167 --> 01:21:52,535
just don't know the people

2379
01:21:52,535 --> 01:21:56,390
living on the street. If we

2380
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:57,374
could just what inform them

2381
01:21:57,374 --> 01:21:58,174
they're making a choice. I

2382
01:21:58,174 --> 01:21:59,543
don't want to do that. I don't

2383
01:21:59,543 --> 01:22:00,244
want to go to the springs

2384
01:22:00,244 --> 01:22:02,312
rescue mission. I don't want

2385
01:22:02,312 --> 01:22:05,615
this kind of I'm doing this

2386
01:22:05,615 --> 01:22:08,615
today. In my opinion. That's

2387
01:22:10,555 --> 01:22:12,424
because they're weighing the

2388
01:22:12,424 --> 01:22:13,158
benefits and the costs what's

2389
01:22:13,158 --> 01:22:14,259
the cost for me living in this

2390
01:22:14,259 --> 01:22:16,795
park. What that thing is going

2391
01:22:16,795 --> 01:22:18,998
to happen to me. If I do that

2392
01:22:18,998 --> 01:22:20,933
versus do I really want to go

2393
01:22:20,933 --> 01:22:23,769
and try to get off drugs and

2394
01:22:23,769 --> 01:22:24,469
get a boring job. It at

2395
01:22:24,469 --> 01:22:25,171
McDonald's or Home Depot and

2396
01:22:25,171 --> 01:22:26,506
have to get up every morning

2397
01:22:26,506 --> 01:22:27,173
and go to work.

2398
01:22:27,173 --> 01:22:28,542
>> I hate that stuff. It's

2399
01:22:28,542 --> 01:22:30,542
boring.

2400
01:22:34,881 --> 01:22:36,517
>> So we can't allow people

2401
01:22:36,517 --> 01:22:38,180
who make a decision like that.

2402
01:22:38,180 --> 01:22:38,753
A choice like that to destroy

2403
01:22:38,753 --> 01:22:40,354
the quality of life for the

2404
01:22:40,354 --> 01:22:42,754
citizens of Colorado Springs.

2405
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,529
>> And if it is, you know,

2406
01:22:47,529 --> 01:22:48,397
takes jail time to get them to

2407
01:22:48,397 --> 01:22:49,164
realize, you know what? I've

2408
01:22:49,164 --> 01:22:52,300
got a straight my life out.

2409
01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:54,570
The Sox. I don't like this.

2410
01:22:54,570 --> 01:22:55,537
Good for jail. I mean, that's

2411
01:22:55,537 --> 01:22:58,537
good. We're helping them. I

2412
01:22:59,376 --> 01:23:00,610
remember a woman who is at the

2413
01:23:00,610 --> 01:23:01,444
Love Cheney's retirement.

2414
01:23:01,444 --> 01:23:02,812
Actually, she wasn't there.

2415
01:23:02,812 --> 01:23:04,414
They read a letter she had

2416
01:23:04,414 --> 01:23:06,784
sent in that he had saved her

2417
01:23:06,784 --> 01:23:07,918
life when she got sent to jail

2418
01:23:07,918 --> 01:23:08,586
because she would have died on

2419
01:23:08,586 --> 01:23:10,354
the streets because she was

2420
01:23:10,354 --> 01:23:11,220
addicted to drugs and she know

2421
01:23:11,220 --> 01:23:12,290
she would have died and she

2422
01:23:12,290 --> 01:23:15,930
was a prostitute. Point. And

2423
01:23:15,930 --> 01:23:17,662
so it helped her. Maybe this

2424
01:23:17,662 --> 01:23:18,463
is amusing to some people, but

2425
01:23:18,463 --> 01:23:22,630
it was a very touching letter

2426
01:23:23,340 --> 01:23:24,536
that she had sent in. We

2427
01:23:24,536 --> 01:23:27,536
think, well, you know, jail

2428
01:23:27,540 --> 01:23:28,975
always bad. We should never do

2429
01:23:28,975 --> 01:23:31,440
that. So sometimes it helps

2430
01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:34,440
both society and the person

2431
01:23:35,682 --> 01:23:37,518
who. Receives units, something

2432
01:23:37,518 --> 01:23:38,118
which they knew it could

2433
01:23:38,118 --> 01:23:40,518
happen. They received a

2434
01:23:42,390 --> 01:23:43,523
punishment for their actions.

2435
01:23:43,523 --> 01:23:44,826
Is there anything else you can

2436
01:23:44,826 --> 01:23:47,826
share with us about that

2437
01:23:48,620 --> 01:23:49,931
ordinance that we did pass the

2438
01:23:49,931 --> 01:23:53,531
one you know, car camping or

2439
01:23:53,869 --> 01:23:54,570
live in. Our there any any

2440
01:23:54,570 --> 01:23:56,205
insights that you have about

2441
01:23:56,205 --> 01:23:58,107
that Lieutenant lessons

2442
01:23:58,107 --> 01:23:58,808
learned since we've started

2443
01:23:58,808 --> 01:23:59,475
enforce it.

2444
01:23:59,475 --> 01:24:02,846
>> I think that one of the

2445
01:24:02,846 --> 01:24:03,513
things that we've that has

2446
01:24:03,513 --> 01:24:04,247
been a positive thing that

2447
01:24:04,247 --> 01:24:04,915
came out of that and any touch

2448
01:24:04,915 --> 01:24:06,550
a little bit is that we're

2449
01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:07,417
working more closely with

2450
01:24:07,417 --> 01:24:09,319
Catholic Charities with that

2451
01:24:09,319 --> 01:24:10,454
program. If we do come into

2452
01:24:10,454 --> 01:24:12,890
contact with individuals with

2453
01:24:12,890 --> 01:24:13,857
families and young kids that

2454
01:24:13,857 --> 01:24:14,592
we actually just worked on the

2455
01:24:14,592 --> 01:24:15,259
script and they're putting out

2456
01:24:15,259 --> 01:24:16,727
a video that we're going to

2457
01:24:16,727 --> 01:24:18,930
send out to all of our patrol

2458
01:24:18,930 --> 01:24:19,631
officers so that they have

2459
01:24:19,631 --> 01:24:20,364
that information if they come

2460
01:24:20,364 --> 01:24:22,300
into contact with a family who

2461
01:24:22,300 --> 01:24:23,340
is in their vehicle, Catholic

2462
01:24:23,340 --> 01:24:25,737
charities has resources and we

2463
01:24:25,737 --> 01:24:26,405
can get them immediately in

2464
01:24:26,405 --> 01:24:29,108
direct contact with them to

2465
01:24:29,108 --> 01:24:30,843
get them help. And so I think

2466
01:24:30,843 --> 01:24:33,843
that's a definitely a positive

2467
01:24:33,847 --> 01:24:34,814
thing with regard to

2468
01:24:34,814 --> 01:24:35,982
enforcement. It has not been

2469
01:24:35,982 --> 01:24:38,382
overwhelming our system. We're

2470
01:24:38,652 --> 01:24:39,620
not seeing it every day. We do

2471
01:24:39,620 --> 01:24:41,555
about the contact about 65

2472
01:24:41,555 --> 01:24:44,240
camps. A month in vehicle

2473
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:44,758
camps and then the number of

2474
01:24:44,758 --> 01:24:47,758
citations is about less than

2475
01:24:48,596 --> 01:24:49,296
10% of the people context.

2476
01:24:49,296 --> 01:24:50,498
>> Okay. Thank. Thank you. It

2477
01:24:50,498 --> 01:24:51,399
has a plea and MADAM

2478
01:24:51,399 --> 01:24:52,233
PRESIDENT, I wish the problem

2479
01:24:52,233 --> 01:24:54,169
was just that people did not

2480
01:24:54,169 --> 01:24:56,271
fill out some forms. And if we

2481
01:24:56,271 --> 01:24:56,938
can, so that would be okay. I

2482
01:24:56,938 --> 01:24:59,938
just think it's much bigger

2483
01:25:02,745 --> 01:25:03,479
than that. Strong enforcement

2484
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:07,679
is a big part of the answer.

2485
01:25:09,251 --> 01:25:10,287
Thank

2486
01:25:10,287 --> 01:25:13,457
>> Amy, I don't see any more

2487
01:25:13,457 --> 01:25:15,392
questions at this time. Thank

2488
01:25:15,392 --> 01:25:16,460
you for your presentation this

2489
01:25:16,460 --> 01:25:17,194
morning. It was very good for

2490
01:25:17,194 --> 01:25:17,895
us to see what that press

2491
01:25:17,895 --> 01:25:19,630
conference was all about. We

2492
01:25:19,630 --> 01:25:20,331
really do appreciate he

2493
01:25:20,331 --> 01:25:21,399
putting this all together for

2494
01:25:21,399 --> 01:25:24,399
us this morning. Thank you.

2495
01:25:25,237 --> 01:25:25,870
MADAM PRESIDENT. Next we have

2496
01:25:25,870 --> 01:25:27,472
item 7 be will the clerk

2497
01:25:27,472 --> 01:25:30,342
please read item 7 be into the

2498
01:25:30,342 --> 01:25:31,677
record agenda. Plan review.

2499
01:25:31,677 --> 01:25:32,378
Does anyone have any questions

2500
01:25:32,378 --> 01:25:34,346
on the up and coming edge and

2501
01:25:34,346 --> 01:25:35,470
a planner

2502
01:25:35,470 --> 01:25:37,183
>> has been a PRESIDENT Do a

2503
01:25:37,183 --> 01:25:39,183
couple.

2504
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:45,560
>> Page 2. Number 3.

2505
01:25:46,590 --> 01:25:47,261
>> It's a resolution of this

2506
01:25:47,261 --> 01:25:47,962
city of Colorado Springs

2507
01:25:47,962 --> 01:25:49,863
approving the request to

2508
01:25:49,863 --> 01:25:50,931
accept the designation as the

2509
01:25:50,931 --> 01:25:51,798
approving authority of the

2510
01:25:51,798 --> 01:25:52,467
southern Colorado railyard

2511
01:25:52,467 --> 01:25:53,634
metro districts. Number one

2512
01:25:53,634 --> 01:25:56,340
through 3. What does that

2513
01:26:00,875 --> 01:26:01,577
mean? It's a resolution to

2514
01:26:01,577 --> 01:26:04,577
accept the designation as the

2515
01:26:05,581 --> 01:26:06,215
approving authority.

2516
01:26:06,215 --> 01:26:08,215
>> council coming Walker

2517
01:26:10,186 --> 01:26:11,120
seaplane director. The

2518
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,156
districts that were formed at

2519
01:26:13,156 --> 01:26:15,580
the railyard were formed under

2520
01:26:15,580 --> 01:26:15,892
county jurisdiction when they

2521
01:26:15,892 --> 01:26:16,593
get entirely annexed to the

2522
01:26:16,593 --> 01:26:18,494
city of Colorado Springs. And

2523
01:26:18,494 --> 01:26:20,300
we should be managing

2524
01:26:20,300 --> 01:26:22,430
authority under that. And

2525
01:26:22,767 --> 01:26:23,467
that's what we're basically

2526
01:26:23,467 --> 01:26:26,700
passing a resolution to take

2527
01:26:26,700 --> 01:26:28,470
over. The county's position

2528
01:26:29,673 --> 01:26:30,609
and those metro districts.

2529
01:26:30,609 --> 01:26:32,844
>> Okay. Originally they were

2530
01:26:32,844 --> 01:26:33,912
created under the county. They

2531
01:26:33,912 --> 01:26:35,914
were it with our comment. We

2532
01:26:35,914 --> 01:26:36,782
we make sure that we commented

2533
01:26:36,782 --> 01:26:37,516
on those things. Perfect in

2534
01:26:37,516 --> 01:26:38,183
this one. This next one, Kevin

2535
01:26:38,183 --> 01:26:41,254
would be for you to. That's

2536
01:26:41,254 --> 01:26:41,921
just the very next one. This

2537
01:26:41,921 --> 01:26:43,423
is Joe with the zone change

2538
01:26:43,423 --> 01:26:45,823
consisting of 203 acres known

2539
01:26:46,927 --> 01:26:47,627
as portions of You Valley Park

2540
01:26:47,627 --> 01:26:48,828
and a good some of that goes

2541
01:26:48,828 --> 01:26:50,828
from residential, this

2542
01:26:51,965 --> 01:26:52,800
residential that and some

2543
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:53,533
other stuff. What is that?

2544
01:26:53,533 --> 01:26:56,533
Exactly? It's cleaning up some

2545
01:26:57,710 --> 01:26:58,500
of the zoning that has

2546
01:26:58,500 --> 01:27:01,500
resulted from some gifts of

2547
01:27:02,177 --> 01:27:02,911
land and purchase of land.

2548
01:27:02,911 --> 01:27:04,120
That were not zone pk. So that

2549
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:04,546
I think that's what that is

2550
01:27:04,546 --> 01:27:05,247
all about.

2551
01:27:05,247 --> 01:27:05,847
>> And that will be heard by

2552
01:27:05,847 --> 01:27:07,149
the planning Commission

2553
01:27:07,149 --> 01:27:09,149
shortly.

2554
01:27:10,786 --> 01:27:14,386
>> Okay. But this is on our.

2555
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:18,563
Calendar for SEPTEMBER. 21st.

2556
01:27:18,563 --> 01:27:19,229
Okay. But here out. I'm sorry.

2557
01:27:19,229 --> 01:27:19,929
I think planning is already

2558
01:27:19,929 --> 01:27:22,329
her planning. Commissions are

2559
01:27:24,401 --> 01:27:27,238
ready that. Ok? He spoke. My

2560
01:27:27,238 --> 01:27:29,238
my apologies.

2561
01:27:36,448 --> 01:27:39,485
>> Moving on to item 8 a will

2562
01:27:39,485 --> 01:27:41,453
the clerk please read item 8 a

2563
01:27:41,453 --> 01:27:43,255
into the record. A resolution

2564
01:27:43,255 --> 01:27:43,856
authorizing the mayor to

2565
01:27:43,856 --> 01:27:44,590
execute a memorandum of

2566
01:27:44,590 --> 01:27:45,357
agreement with U.S. Army Corps

2567
01:27:45,357 --> 01:27:46,250
of Engineers for site

2568
01:27:46,250 --> 01:27:48,250
protection requirements. So

2569
01:27:49,329 --> 01:27:51,164
she would permitted Permittee

2570
01:27:51,164 --> 01:27:51,831
responsible mitigation under

2571
01:27:51,831 --> 01:27:54,231
Department of Army Permits.

2572
01:27:55,100 --> 01:27:56,300
Good morning, Erin. Good

2573
01:27:56,300 --> 01:27:56,870
Morning City Council PRESIDENT

2574
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:57,504
Craig person. My name is Erin

2575
01:27:57,504 --> 01:27:59,904
Powers and the stormwater

2576
01:28:00,741 --> 01:28:01,342
enterprise manager City. I'm

2577
01:28:01,342 --> 01:28:03,342
presenting a resolution

2578
01:28:04,746 --> 01:28:05,413
authorizing the execution of

2579
01:28:05,413 --> 01:28:06,114
the Memorandum of Agreement

2580
01:28:06,114 --> 01:28:06,748
with United States Army Corps

2581
01:28:06,748 --> 01:28:09,148
of Engineers for Wetland

2582
01:28:10,850 --> 01:28:11,319
Protection. So one of the

2583
01:28:11,319 --> 01:28:14,890
biggest focus areas for the

2584
01:28:14,890 --> 01:28:15,290
stormwater enterprise is our

2585
01:28:15,290 --> 01:28:15,958
waterways to many, larger open

2586
01:28:15,958 --> 01:28:18,358
channel projects. And these

2587
01:28:18,828 --> 01:28:20,763
larger projects require 404

2588
01:28:20,763 --> 01:28:22,666
permits prior to performing

2589
01:28:22,666 --> 01:28:24,667
construction in Waters of the

2590
01:28:24,667 --> 01:28:25,669
United States. So these

2591
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:26,636
permits are met managed by the

2592
01:28:26,636 --> 01:28:27,904
United States Army Corps of

2593
01:28:27,904 --> 01:28:28,505
Engineers, and they require

2594
01:28:28,505 --> 01:28:30,505
mitigation for wetland

2595
01:28:30,507 --> 01:28:31,275
impacts, which is typically

2596
01:28:31,275 --> 01:28:31,942
performed on site, which means

2597
01:28:31,942 --> 01:28:34,342
we're putting the wetlands

2598
01:28:36,347 --> 01:28:37,810
back in our waterways. So

2599
01:28:37,810 --> 01:28:39,810
under federal regulation

2600
01:28:39,484 --> 01:28:40,850
applicants conducting

2601
01:28:40,850 --> 01:28:40,785
permitting responsible

2602
01:28:40,785 --> 01:28:41,787
mitigation must establish a

2603
01:28:41,787 --> 01:28:43,921
site protection instrument to

2604
01:28:43,921 --> 01:28:44,623
establish long-term

2605
01:28:44,623 --> 01:28:45,324
preservation of pretty

2606
01:28:45,324 --> 01:28:45,924
responsible mitigation areas,

2607
01:28:45,924 --> 01:28:48,924
which is what these are

2608
01:28:49,195 --> 01:28:51,464
called. In the past. The Army

2609
01:28:51,464 --> 01:28:52,198
Corps has accepted our

2610
01:28:52,198 --> 01:28:52,931
language on wetland protection

2611
01:28:52,931 --> 01:28:55,502
that that's city code and also

2612
01:28:55,502 --> 01:28:57,203
our drainage manual. But

2613
01:28:57,203 --> 01:28:58,539
recently they are now

2614
01:28:58,539 --> 01:29:00,539
requiring memorandums of

2615
01:29:01,242 --> 01:29:03,277
agreement for each wetland,

2616
01:29:03,277 --> 01:29:03,944
mitigation area and so rather

2617
01:29:03,944 --> 01:29:05,120
than executing a single and

2618
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:08,120
the way for channel project

2619
01:29:09,150 --> 01:29:11,619
that we do in the city. This

2620
01:29:11,619 --> 01:29:12,320
single memorandum of agreement

2621
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:12,988
with would cover the entire

2622
01:29:12,988 --> 01:29:16,588
city. All future for of her

2623
01:29:16,725 --> 01:29:17,426
permits that we apply So with

2624
01:29:17,426 --> 01:29:20,129
that, be happy to answer any

2625
01:29:20,129 --> 01:29:22,129
questions. COUNCILMAN

2626
01:29:27,804 --> 01:29:28,471
Williams. Today explain why.

2627
01:29:28,471 --> 01:29:30,871
>> Why the transition, why

2628
01:29:30,908 --> 01:29:31,642
they feel that this is

2629
01:29:31,642 --> 01:29:34,420
necessary. Appreciate the fact

2630
01:29:34,445 --> 01:29:37,448
that you're not going to do

2631
01:29:37,448 --> 01:29:38,182
1000 of these, did they stain

2632
01:29:38,182 --> 01:29:41,852
why we want to go from what we

2633
01:29:41,852 --> 01:29:42,887
were doing to this?

2634
01:29:42,887 --> 01:29:46,570
>> we we met with him several

2635
01:29:46,570 --> 01:29:48,593
times to try to, you know, go

2636
01:29:48,593 --> 01:29:49,327
back to the old

2637
01:29:49,327 --> 01:29:49,961
interpretation. But there were

2638
01:29:49,961 --> 01:29:52,361
some upper level staffing

2639
01:29:52,731 --> 01:29:53,565
changes over there. And

2640
01:29:53,565 --> 01:29:55,965
they're the new interpretation

2641
01:29:57,236 --> 01:29:59,272
of this just might follow.

2642
01:29:59,272 --> 01:29:59,906
>> Sounds like you're working

2643
01:29:59,906 --> 01:30:02,906
with the around People do

2644
01:30:06,246 --> 01:30:08,820
rules. Okay. Thank I don't see

2645
01:30:08,820 --> 01:30:11,485
of the questions at this time.

2646
01:30:11,485 --> 01:30:13,354
Thanks. Thanks, Erin.

2647
01:30:13,354 --> 01:30:15,323
>> Next up, we have item 8 b,

2648
01:30:15,323 --> 01:30:18,526
will the please read item 8 b

2649
01:30:18,526 --> 01:30:19,940
into the record in ordinance

2650
01:30:19,940 --> 01:30:19,795
certifying delinquent

2651
01:30:19,795 --> 01:30:21,864
stormwater So sorry, we just

2652
01:30:21,864 --> 01:30:23,864
did that.

2653
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:27,971
>> it's the second Okay.

2654
01:30:27,971 --> 01:30:28,671
Sorry. Sorry, an ordinance or

2655
01:30:28,671 --> 01:30:29,372
to find a link with storm eta

2656
01:30:29,372 --> 01:30:29,939
fees and charges to the Paso

2657
01:30:29,939 --> 01:30:31,939
County treasurer for

2658
01:30:34,111 --> 01:30:36,511
collection. Still you. That's

2659
01:30:37,347 --> 01:30:39,347
what happened

2660
01:30:43,287 --> 01:30:44,322
>> So city Code Code. Section

2661
01:30:44,322 --> 01:30:45,256
14, 8, 1, 0, 9, states that

2662
01:30:45,256 --> 01:30:45,957
non payment of storm water

2663
01:30:45,957 --> 01:30:46,690
fees creates a property lean

2664
01:30:46,690 --> 01:30:49,927
upon the property to which the

2665
01:30:49,927 --> 01:30:50,595
fee is assessed. And so is

2666
01:30:50,595 --> 01:30:53,595
some background for all of

2667
01:30:53,932 --> 01:30:55,000
these accounts. A notice of

2668
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,468
intent to Lima sent by

2669
01:30:56,468 --> 01:30:57,136
certified mail in JULY to

2670
01:30:57,136 --> 01:30:58,838
customers with invoices, 90

2671
01:30:58,838 --> 01:30:59,672
days or more past due and

2672
01:30:59,672 --> 01:31:02,720
where the dollar amount

2673
01:31:03,609 --> 01:31:04,244
exceeded $200. So notice

2674
01:31:04,244 --> 01:31:05,110
indicated the storm water

2675
01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:05,712
enterprise will place a lien

2676
01:31:05,712 --> 01:31:07,247
on the property if you count

2677
01:31:07,247 --> 01:31:08,849
is not brought current. And

2678
01:31:08,849 --> 01:31:10,885
then if payment is not

2679
01:31:10,885 --> 01:31:11,518
received, the customers are

2680
01:31:11,518 --> 01:31:12,253
subject to lean and their

2681
01:31:12,253 --> 01:31:13,954
accounts will be sent to Pasco

2682
01:31:13,954 --> 01:31:15,954
County Treasurer for

2683
01:31:17,859 --> 01:31:19,160
collection. So has of JULY

2684
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:21,160
31st. 2026 you there 181

2685
01:31:23,264 --> 01:31:24,599
accounts that total $116,000.

2686
01:31:24,599 --> 01:31:26,599
$222. That follow-up phone

2687
01:31:27,335 --> 01:31:28,360
within the current guidelines

2688
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:28,804
and just update as of the end

2689
01:31:28,804 --> 01:31:30,139
of AUGUST. 23 of those have

2690
01:31:30,139 --> 01:31:32,139
paid. So they're 150 8

2691
01:31:32,708 --> 01:31:35,108
accounts remaining. If the

2692
01:31:35,345 --> 01:31:38,345
payment is not received after

2693
01:31:40,317 --> 01:31:42,520
certification the county, the

2694
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:42,719
total amount to be paid added

2695
01:31:42,719 --> 01:31:45,719
to the property tax owners

2696
01:31:45,723 --> 01:31:46,457
statement in JANUARY 2027. And

2697
01:31:46,457 --> 01:31:49,527
then if that property tax bill

2698
01:31:49,527 --> 01:31:50,161
is not paid in full, the

2699
01:31:50,161 --> 01:31:52,161
remaining unpaid balances

2700
01:31:52,764 --> 01:31:53,431
falling to the provisions for

2701
01:31:53,431 --> 01:31:55,801
by the tax lien sale by the

2702
01:31:55,801 --> 01:31:58,201
treasure. Happy. Happy to

2703
01:32:02,541 --> 01:32:03,576
answer any questions.

2704
01:32:03,576 --> 01:32:04,810
COUNCILMAN Casey.

2705
01:32:04,810 --> 01:32:06,412
>> Thank you. MADAM PRESIDENT,

2706
01:32:06,412 --> 01:32:07,847
just a quick question. On the

2707
01:32:07,847 --> 01:32:09,449
$200.90 days is that something

2708
01:32:09,449 --> 01:32:11,217
this internal polls? Here's a

2709
01:32:11,217 --> 01:32:11,918
written kotler.

2710
01:32:11,918 --> 01:32:13,287
>> That's an internal policy,

2711
01:32:13,287 --> 01:32:15,687
the $200. And that's just

2712
01:32:16,824 --> 01:32:17,491
because their fees associated

2713
01:32:17,491 --> 01:32:20,194
with this whole process and

2714
01:32:20,194 --> 01:32:23,364
then also staff time. And so

2715
01:32:23,364 --> 01:32:24,199
there was an analysis done to

2716
01:32:24,199 --> 01:32:24,833
where where it was worth

2717
01:32:24,833 --> 01:32:27,233
proceeding where we would

2718
01:32:30,639 --> 01:32:31,373
losing thanks. COUNCILMAN

2719
01:32:31,373 --> 01:32:31,974
>> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT,

2720
01:32:31,974 --> 01:32:32,674
I don't really have any

2721
01:32:32,674 --> 01:32:34,744
questions on either of these

2722
01:32:34,744 --> 01:32:35,378
items, but just did you want

2723
01:32:35,378 --> 01:32:37,780
either of these to be on

2724
01:32:37,780 --> 01:32:40,780
consent run? Yes, thank you.

2725
01:32:40,884 --> 01:32:41,718
And I'm supportive both Inc.

2726
01:32:41,718 --> 01:32:44,870
Can they get a thumbs up for

2727
01:32:44,870 --> 01:32:47,870
both of these items on

2728
01:32:47,891 --> 01:32:49,793
consent? He got too.

2729
01:32:49,793 --> 01:32:52,793
>> Moving on to item 8. See

2730
01:32:54,265 --> 01:32:54,566
where the clerk please read

2731
01:32:54,566 --> 01:32:56,566
item.

2732
01:32:59,571 --> 01:33:00,172
>> ac and 8 d into the record.

2733
01:33:00,172 --> 01:33:01,472
>> It sees an ordinance

2734
01:33:01,472 --> 01:33:02,441
amending multiple sections of

2735
01:33:02,441 --> 01:33:04,760
Article 3, a ton of ethics of

2736
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:05,944
Chapter one administration,

2737
01:33:05,944 --> 01:33:06,645
personal finance, the code of

2738
01:33:06,645 --> 01:33:07,813
the city of colors rings 2001

2739
01:33:07,813 --> 01:33:10,813
as amended pertaining to the

2740
01:33:11,651 --> 01:33:12,485
code of ethics. That's why

2741
01:33:12,485 --> 01:33:14,221
they're there. The they're not

2742
01:33:14,221 --> 01:33:14,921
the same old Reed d can. I

2743
01:33:14,921 --> 01:33:15,622
just have been marked as the

2744
01:33:15,622 --> 01:33:18,622
same high. Caitlin, how Good

2745
01:33:19,260 --> 01:33:19,726
morning. I'm going up.

2746
01:33:19,726 --> 01:33:20,393
>> a city attorney's office

2747
01:33:20,393 --> 01:33:23,393
here go over. The proposed

2748
01:33:24,131 --> 01:33:25,466
changes to the ethics code. So

2749
01:33:25,466 --> 01:33:27,468
for each side, the setup is

2750
01:33:27,468 --> 01:33:28,136
the same and carried the whole

2751
01:33:28,136 --> 01:33:30,872
thing. But you can see the

2752
01:33:30,872 --> 01:33:31,573
specific changes from code.

2753
01:33:31,573 --> 01:33:32,273
All right there at the bottom

2754
01:33:32,273 --> 01:33:32,975
of the site, a brief overview

2755
01:33:32,975 --> 01:33:33,675
is listed at the top. So just

2756
01:33:33,675 --> 01:33:37,875
read the top. But stop me. If

2757
01:33:37,946 --> 01:33:38,614
you have any questions. The

2758
01:33:38,614 --> 01:33:39,247
first change is that we're

2759
01:33:39,247 --> 01:33:41,247
discussing. The advisory

2760
01:33:42,484 --> 01:33:44,287
opinions are clarified to be.

2761
01:33:44,287 --> 01:33:45,321
Only for the requester for

2762
01:33:45,321 --> 01:33:46,220
your contemplated action trait

2763
01:33:46,220 --> 01:33:49,622
can ask for another member of

2764
01:33:50,961 --> 01:33:52,429
council. Next. We've removed

2765
01:33:52,429 --> 01:33:54,429
the independent contractor

2766
01:33:54,799 --> 01:33:55,366
lead made language were

2767
01:33:55,366 --> 01:33:56,100
specific to say that

2768
01:33:56,100 --> 01:33:57,734
specifically those individuals

2769
01:33:57,734 --> 01:33:58,870
receiving a 10 99 from the

2770
01:33:58,870 --> 01:33:59,537
city. So are saying that is

2771
01:33:59,537 --> 01:34:02,537
who the ethics code applies

2772
01:34:06,511 --> 01:34:07,111
to. We've added the option for

2773
01:34:07,111 --> 01:34:07,746
the independent Ethics

2774
01:34:07,746 --> 01:34:08,380
Commission to dismiss the

2775
01:34:08,380 --> 01:34:09,248
complaint for failure to

2776
01:34:09,248 --> 01:34:11,648
comply with the requirements

2777
01:34:12,651 --> 01:34:13,452
within city code. Previously,

2778
01:34:13,452 --> 01:34:14,190
it just said their rules of

2779
01:34:14,190 --> 01:34:14,754
procedure. There are

2780
01:34:14,754 --> 01:34:16,754
procedural requirements. Codes

2781
01:34:19,590 --> 01:34:19,793
were clean that up. We've

2782
01:34:19,793 --> 01:34:22,793
increased said the gift except

2783
01:34:23,630 --> 01:34:23,763
to limit to $75. It does

2784
01:34:23,763 --> 01:34:24,431
update as the state updates

2785
01:34:24,431 --> 01:34:28,310
that were make as today is

2786
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:32,974
possible in code. In the gift

2787
01:34:32,974 --> 01:34:33,575
section. And we have removed

2788
01:34:33,575 --> 01:34:35,575
requirement that family

2789
01:34:35,610 --> 01:34:38,100
members of covered individuals

2790
01:34:38,413 --> 01:34:39,810
only accepted free. All right.

2791
01:34:39,810 --> 01:34:41,149
Just kind of a ticket if it

2792
01:34:41,149 --> 01:34:42,751
end with the covered person

2793
01:34:42,751 --> 01:34:43,686
and then we've also clarified

2794
01:34:43,686 --> 01:34:46,355
that if you're accepting free

2795
01:34:46,355 --> 01:34:48,357
or discounted tickets, the

2796
01:34:48,357 --> 01:34:50,593
value of the gift that we need

2797
01:34:50,593 --> 01:34:51,894
to make sure is under $7 in

2798
01:34:51,894 --> 01:34:52,662
the aggregate. So one $50

2799
01:34:52,662 --> 01:34:55,620
ticket. Great to. That's 100.

2800
01:34:58,200 --> 01:34:58,702
That's a no. We've removed

2801
01:34:58,702 --> 01:35:00,702
redundant language discussing

2802
01:35:01,539 --> 01:35:02,206
events and multiple sections

2803
01:35:02,206 --> 01:35:05,109
gifts in the gives section

2804
01:35:05,109 --> 01:35:05,710
events was again, listen, few

2805
01:35:05,710 --> 01:35:06,377
sections we've address

2806
01:35:06,377 --> 01:35:07,120
specifically the events. We

2807
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:09,412
want to those 2, 2 being

2808
01:35:12,518 --> 01:35:13,252
removed. We've removed

2809
01:35:13,252 --> 01:35:14,720
requirement that certain gifts

2810
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:16,856
must be documented in order

2811
01:35:16,856 --> 01:35:17,990
qualify as exception to get

2812
01:35:17,990 --> 01:35:20,990
probation so that were just

2813
01:35:23,362 --> 01:35:24,300
Rick struck in a few places.

2814
01:35:24,300 --> 01:35:27,300
In this section. Section doe

2815
01:35:27,301 --> 01:35:30,301
a few things. It's about

2816
01:35:32,428 --> 01:35:32,564
specific related only to

2817
01:35:32,564 --> 01:35:32,681
elected officials, but we've

2818
01:35:32,681 --> 01:35:32,940
added that elected officials

2819
01:35:32,940 --> 01:35:35,476
MAY designate a person to go

2820
01:35:35,476 --> 01:35:38,580
to an event in their stead. We

2821
01:35:38,580 --> 01:35:39,981
removed redundant language. So

2822
01:35:39,981 --> 01:35:40,649
there's language at the end of

2823
01:35:40,649 --> 01:35:41,983
15 there that says does not

2824
01:35:41,983 --> 01:35:43,251
affect a direct official

2825
01:35:43,251 --> 01:35:43,951
action. Kelly, which is

2826
01:35:43,951 --> 01:35:44,653
already at the top of

2827
01:35:44,653 --> 01:35:47,523
accepting any coded does need

2828
01:35:47,523 --> 01:35:48,157
to be there again. Then again,

2829
01:35:48,157 --> 01:35:49,592
that gift is documented.

2830
01:35:49,592 --> 01:35:50,827
Ready, discuss that. We're

2831
01:35:50,827 --> 01:35:52,827
really the documentation

2832
01:35:52,861 --> 01:35:54,861
requirement altogether. The

2833
01:35:55,310 --> 01:35:58,310
other you that is 16 that

2834
01:35:59,200 --> 01:35:59,669
Boulder language is all new 15

2835
01:35:59,669 --> 01:36:00,904
covers of a ticket. So that

2836
01:36:00,904 --> 01:36:01,705
gets in the door. We didn't

2837
01:36:01,705 --> 01:36:02,406
have anything addressing

2838
01:36:02,406 --> 01:36:04,307
activities at the event. Once

2839
01:36:04,307 --> 01:36:05,576
you get in the door. So it

2840
01:36:05,576 --> 01:36:07,678
added a section saying you can

2841
01:36:07,678 --> 01:36:10,147
go to these activities in

2842
01:36:10,147 --> 01:36:10,848
certain cases where there are

2843
01:36:10,848 --> 01:36:12,951
events. But it's monster

2844
01:36:12,951 --> 01:36:14,520
hosted whole or part the city

2845
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:15,787
or sponsor hosted by another

2846
01:36:15,787 --> 01:36:17,787
governmental entity.

2847
01:36:21,293 --> 01:36:21,894
Pertaining to official duties.

2848
01:36:21,894 --> 01:36:22,562
We've removed redundant

2849
01:36:22,562 --> 01:36:24,963
language. This is the final

2850
01:36:24,963 --> 01:36:25,665
section of the gifts section.

2851
01:36:25,665 --> 01:36:27,000
We've already discussed gifts

2852
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:28,330
obviously throughout the gives

2853
01:36:28,330 --> 01:36:31,330
section. We don't need this

2854
01:36:32,139 --> 01:36:32,773
language start to repurpose.

2855
01:36:32,773 --> 01:36:35,773
We've added there into a

2856
01:36:36,644 --> 01:36:39,440
conflict interest. We've added

2857
01:36:39,714 --> 01:36:40,381
in exception. So if you are

2858
01:36:40,381 --> 01:36:41,583
attending ceremonial events

2859
01:36:41,583 --> 01:36:42,283
that wouldn't be a conflict of

2860
01:36:42,283 --> 01:36:42,984
interest that is prohibited.

2861
01:36:42,984 --> 01:36:43,785
Those are things that ground

2862
01:36:43,785 --> 01:36:44,485
breakings, grand openings

2863
01:36:44,485 --> 01:36:46,688
ribbon, cutting things really

2864
01:36:46,688 --> 01:36:47,755
celebrating the city. That

2865
01:36:47,755 --> 01:36:48,490
would be an endorsement of the

2866
01:36:48,490 --> 01:36:50,890
business having the ceremonial

2867
01:36:53,429 --> 01:36:55,829
it. We've replaced unclear

2868
01:36:56,199 --> 01:36:58,134
language that participate term

2869
01:36:58,134 --> 01:36:59,680
so face not return. We replace

2870
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,468
that with direct official

2871
01:37:02,606 --> 01:37:03,340
action. So we know clearly

2872
01:37:03,340 --> 01:37:06,940
what behaviors you can kind of

2873
01:37:09,450 --> 01:37:10,314
gauge. Again, we've removed

2874
01:37:10,314 --> 01:37:11,114
redundant language. This is

2875
01:37:11,114 --> 01:37:12,750
talking about conflict with

2876
01:37:12,750 --> 01:37:13,317
his or bushel duties and

2877
01:37:13,317 --> 01:37:15,317
responsibilities. Our

2878
01:37:16,888 --> 01:37:17,589
fiduciary duty, the city. This

2879
01:37:17,589 --> 01:37:18,222
isn't a conflict of interest

2880
01:37:18,222 --> 01:37:19,191
section. So all of these

2881
01:37:19,191 --> 01:37:21,591
specific behaviors that we

2882
01:37:21,693 --> 01:37:22,394
want covered, those are

2883
01:37:22,394 --> 01:37:24,394
specifically enumerated this

2884
01:37:25,463 --> 01:37:27,863
again, doesn't add anything.

2885
01:37:29,134 --> 01:37:29,836
And then lastly, we've added

2886
01:37:29,836 --> 01:37:32,836
an exception in the conflict

2887
01:37:32,973 --> 01:37:33,773
of interest provision. So if

2888
01:37:33,773 --> 01:37:34,441
as an elected official, you

2889
01:37:34,441 --> 01:37:37,811
can serve on a 5, a one c 3

2890
01:37:37,811 --> 01:37:39,280
board of directors so long as

2891
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:40,140
you or if immediate family

2892
01:37:40,140 --> 01:37:41,148
member does not otherwise have

2893
01:37:41,148 --> 01:37:44,148
a substantial interest in the

2894
01:37:49,657 --> 01:37:51,590
5, one c 3. He

2895
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:52,693
>> MADAM PRESIDENT, the

2896
01:37:52,693 --> 01:37:53,428
question on that point right

2897
01:37:53,428 --> 01:37:55,397
there, you've always been able

2898
01:37:55,397 --> 01:37:57,366
to serve on a 5, a one c 3.

2899
01:37:57,366 --> 01:37:59,535
This changes it to allow you

2900
01:37:59,535 --> 01:38:01,704
to vote on issues that pertain

2901
01:38:01,704 --> 01:38:02,371
to that 5, a one c 3 right

2902
01:38:02,371 --> 01:38:04,741
>> I should have been more

2903
01:38:04,741 --> 01:38:05,441
clear So if it and item came

2904
01:38:05,441 --> 01:38:07,778
in front of you and you were

2905
01:38:07,778 --> 01:38:09,713
other a serving on the board

2906
01:38:09,713 --> 01:38:10,413
rate. Currently you have to

2907
01:38:10,413 --> 01:38:12,716
recuse yourself. This change

2908
01:38:12,716 --> 01:38:14,819
would allow you to take that

2909
01:38:14,819 --> 01:38:15,453
vote again. Otherwise a less

2910
01:38:15,453 --> 01:38:18,453
other rights. You have a

2911
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:22,327
substantial interest

2912
01:38:22,327 --> 01:38:24,196
>> maybe you can help me

2913
01:38:24,196 --> 01:38:25,464
understand what? Why couldn't

2914
01:38:25,464 --> 01:38:26,464
that councilmember just

2915
01:38:26,464 --> 01:38:28,233
abstain from the vote under

2916
01:38:28,233 --> 01:38:28,967
the old rules, they simply

2917
01:38:28,967 --> 01:38:29,701
would have abstained from the

2918
01:38:29,701 --> 01:38:33,301
vote. It's one c 3 is probably

2919
01:38:34,740 --> 01:38:35,508
going to. Have a strong

2920
01:38:35,508 --> 01:38:36,175
support anyway. And that would

2921
01:38:36,175 --> 01:38:37,877
remove the appearance of a

2922
01:38:37,877 --> 01:38:38,778
conflict of interest.

2923
01:38:38,778 --> 01:38:40,480
>> Yeah, sure. And so camp

2924
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:41,882
this would not prohibit a

2925
01:38:41,882 --> 01:38:42,615
councilmember Trump recusing

2926
01:38:42,615 --> 01:38:45,150
themselves for that appearance

2927
01:38:48,956 --> 01:38:50,956
of impropriety.

2928
01:38:52,260 --> 01:38:53,127
>> But why are we adding I

2929
01:38:53,127 --> 01:38:53,928
mean, currently our rules

2930
01:38:53,928 --> 01:38:54,596
essentially, my understanding

2931
01:38:54,596 --> 01:38:58,196
would say if you're on the

2932
01:38:59,868 --> 01:39:01,903
board. Yeah. On the board of a

2933
01:39:01,903 --> 01:39:02,772
501, c 3. And there's a matter

2934
01:39:02,772 --> 01:39:04,140
that comes before council. You

2935
01:39:04,140 --> 01:39:06,140
should recuse yourself.

2936
01:39:06,476 --> 01:39:09,476
>> This is saying that you

2937
01:39:10,246 --> 01:39:12,315
don't need to recuse yourself.

2938
01:39:12,315 --> 01:39:14,218
You can, but but you you don't

2939
01:39:14,218 --> 01:39:14,952
have to.

2940
01:39:14,952 --> 01:39:15,619
>> Yeah. This specific changes

2941
01:39:15,619 --> 01:39:17,988
or request from council. So

2942
01:39:17,988 --> 01:39:19,957
that's why this one it okay.

2943
01:39:19,957 --> 01:39:22,226
>> So this is one that I'm not

2944
01:39:22,226 --> 01:39:22,960
sure I support this change

2945
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:26,965
just because and I will I will

2946
01:39:26,965 --> 01:39:31,165
like to ask you. Can work like

2947
01:39:31,836 --> 01:39:33,238
council is loosening.

2948
01:39:33,238 --> 01:39:35,238
Restraints, ethical restraints

2949
01:39:37,243 --> 01:39:38,544
here on ourselves. What else

2950
01:39:38,544 --> 01:39:39,212
in do you think might give

2951
01:39:39,212 --> 01:39:42,212
that appearance that we are

2952
01:39:42,882 --> 01:39:43,516
lowering the bar? For

2953
01:39:43,516 --> 01:39:44,518
ourselves as far as there

2954
01:39:44,518 --> 01:39:45,152
shouldn't even be their

2955
01:39:45,152 --> 01:39:47,552
parents that we're doing

2956
01:39:49,223 --> 01:39:49,856
something. To benefits

2957
01:39:49,856 --> 01:39:52,256
ourselves or friends. The

2958
01:39:52,727 --> 01:39:54,727
group were apart.

2959
01:39:55,696 --> 01:39:56,970
>> I think, you know, all

2960
01:39:56,970 --> 01:39:57,899
these are.

2961
01:39:57,899 --> 01:39:58,500
>> It changes our office can

2962
01:39:58,500 --> 01:39:59,200
support. So, you know,

2963
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:00,702
politically how they come up.

2964
01:40:00,702 --> 01:40:01,403
I don't know that I can answer

2965
01:40:01,403 --> 01:40:03,172
that question. But otherwise,

2966
01:40:03,172 --> 01:40:05,740
you know, legally our office

2967
01:40:05,740 --> 01:40:06,709
can come to parties. But of

2968
01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:07,376
course, you are the

2969
01:40:07,376 --> 01:40:08,770
legislative body. And so if

2970
01:40:08,770 --> 01:40:10,213
you want to change anything,

2971
01:40:10,213 --> 01:40:10,879
these are just proposed

2972
01:40:10,879 --> 01:40:12,715
changes. We make changes to

2973
01:40:12,715 --> 01:40:14,715
the proposed ordinance.

2974
01:40:17,421 --> 01:40:18,322
>> For just for my colleagues

2975
01:40:18,322 --> 01:40:19,723
knowledge one makes me a

2976
01:40:19,723 --> 01:40:20,391
little uncomfortable. I don't

2977
01:40:20,391 --> 01:40:23,460
see why we would change our

2978
01:40:23,460 --> 01:40:24,662
current standard on thanks.

2979
01:40:24,662 --> 01:40:26,497
>> Caitlin, can you clarify

2980
01:40:26,497 --> 01:40:29,400
why? It's just the 5, a one c

2981
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:30,434
3 when we know there's many

2982
01:40:30,434 --> 01:40:31,469
different. There's 4 of their

2983
01:40:31,469 --> 01:40:32,700
6 wheels on different boards

2984
01:40:32,700 --> 01:40:32,771
and this community. Why

2985
01:40:32,771 --> 01:40:33,805
specifically are you calling

2986
01:40:33,805 --> 01:40:35,805
out the 3?

2987
01:40:39,712 --> 01:40:40,446
>> Yeah, that's a great I

2988
01:40:40,446 --> 01:40:42,140
worked with an attorney who is

2989
01:40:42,140 --> 01:40:42,748
no longer with the city and

2990
01:40:42,748 --> 01:40:45,180
she was the one that requested

2991
01:40:45,180 --> 01:40:46,953
only 5, one c threes. So if

2992
01:40:46,953 --> 01:40:48,788
the board with if council

2993
01:40:48,788 --> 01:40:49,423
would like need to take a look

2994
01:40:49,423 --> 01:40:50,123
at opening it up to other

2995
01:40:50,123 --> 01:40:52,359
nonprofit part. I'm happy to

2996
01:40:52,359 --> 01:40:54,359
do that.

2997
01:40:55,529 --> 01:40:56,230
>> COUNCILMAN Casey.

2998
01:40:56,230 --> 01:40:59,230
>> Thank you. Members of euro

2999
01:41:02,937 --> 01:41:03,738
slide 12 s. Can explain that

3000
01:41:03,738 --> 01:41:07,338
again? Why that why the change

3001
01:41:07,642 --> 01:41:09,642
there? The guest?

3002
01:41:09,645 --> 01:41:10,713
>> So the previously or

3003
01:41:10,713 --> 01:41:11,379
currently writing code, it

3004
01:41:11,379 --> 01:41:11,981
says no covid person shall

3005
01:41:11,981 --> 01:41:13,981
directly or indirectly

3006
01:41:14,517 --> 01:41:15,184
participate in the problem was

3007
01:41:15,184 --> 01:41:17,584
what is participate, right?

3008
01:41:18,154 --> 01:41:21,910
That can be a very bride

3009
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:22,159
statement, right? That's a

3010
01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:22,859
broad term. So you on to

3011
01:41:22,859 --> 01:41:23,894
council. How are you supposed

3012
01:41:23,894 --> 01:41:24,895
to know what actions you can

3013
01:41:24,895 --> 01:41:27,398
or cannot take bipartisan? And

3014
01:41:27,398 --> 01:41:29,233
it's find term dinner. What

3015
01:41:29,233 --> 01:41:31,200
about sex? And really it was

3016
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:31,636
supposed to be getting direct

3017
01:41:31,636 --> 01:41:33,437
official action director

3018
01:41:33,437 --> 01:41:34,105
official action is that

3019
01:41:34,105 --> 01:41:36,505
largely defined term within

3020
01:41:37,476 --> 01:41:38,143
our code of ethics. And so now

3021
01:41:38,143 --> 01:41:38,744
taking a look at this. You

3022
01:41:38,744 --> 01:41:40,713
know what actions u can

3023
01:41:40,713 --> 01:41:43,713
participate in or not, because

3024
01:41:45,618 --> 01:41:47,153
it direct official action.

3025
01:41:47,153 --> 01:41:47,687
>> I wonder about the word

3026
01:41:47,687 --> 01:41:48,421
influence with that

3027
01:41:48,421 --> 01:41:48,954
encompasses that that would be

3028
01:41:48,954 --> 01:41:50,954
different to them.

3029
01:41:52,692 --> 01:41:53,359
Participate.

3030
01:41:53,359 --> 01:41:53,959
>> In Bloomington, I would

3031
01:41:53,959 --> 01:41:55,959
interpret influence as

3032
01:41:55,963 --> 01:41:57,963
different from participate,

3033
01:41:58,131 --> 01:42:00,101
right? I think influence is

3034
01:42:00,101 --> 01:42:01,202
more like you having a

3035
01:42:01,202 --> 01:42:01,869
conversation with your fellow

3036
01:42:01,869 --> 01:42:03,571
council member in trying to

3037
01:42:03,571 --> 01:42:04,671
sway their direct official

3038
01:42:04,671 --> 01:42:06,107
auction, something like that

3039
01:42:06,107 --> 01:42:06,841
rate that that's really on the

3040
01:42:06,841 --> 01:42:08,476
of influence. All right. Thank

3041
01:42:08,476 --> 01:42:10,476
you.

3042
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:18,654
>> Question. Thank you. Can

3043
01:42:18,654 --> 01:42:22,854
you go to the slide that talks

3044
01:42:23,393 --> 01:42:24,127
about? A spouse was not

3045
01:42:24,127 --> 01:42:26,527
accompanying someone. I forget

3046
01:42:37,742 --> 01:42:40,142
which side that is.

3047
01:42:42,380 --> 01:42:44,380
>> Mary, to actually.

3048
01:42:46,652 --> 01:42:48,652
>> I understand. Is

3049
01:42:49,588 --> 01:42:51,588
accompanying. Someone covered

3050
01:42:54,361 --> 01:42:55,950
by the code. What I want to

3051
01:42:55,950 --> 01:42:57,664
clarify is whether the scope

3052
01:42:57,664 --> 01:43:00,640
reports to govern. Individuals

3053
01:43:01,768 --> 01:43:02,469
who receive. Something not

3054
01:43:02,469 --> 01:43:05,172
because they're a spouse, but

3055
01:43:05,172 --> 01:43:06,106
because of an independent

3056
01:43:06,106 --> 01:43:06,606
action. For example, my wife

3057
01:43:06,606 --> 01:43:09,600
Holly is a county

3058
01:43:09,944 --> 01:43:12,344
commissioner. Wife happens to

3059
01:43:12,714 --> 01:43:13,315
be the head of ppo. So

3060
01:43:13,315 --> 01:43:15,315
someone's extending an

3061
01:43:17,152 --> 01:43:19,288
invitation. In that capacity

3062
01:43:19,288 --> 01:43:22,288
and not because the individual

3063
01:43:23,793 --> 01:43:26,329
is a spouse of. A city covered

3064
01:43:26,329 --> 01:43:29,329
person. Does the scope report

3065
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:33,600
too? Regulate what a county

3066
01:43:35,206 --> 01:43:35,906
commissioner or the ppo.

3067
01:43:35,906 --> 01:43:36,607
>> So our code of ethics only

3068
01:43:36,607 --> 01:43:40,207
applies right to the city and

3069
01:43:40,344 --> 01:43:41,110
people who are covered persons

3070
01:43:41,110 --> 01:43:42,379
so it wouldn't necessarily

3071
01:43:42,379 --> 01:43:43,114
apply to a county commissioner

3072
01:43:43,114 --> 01:43:46,510
or other members. Other bought

3073
01:43:46,510 --> 01:43:46,985
boards and bodies. What would

3074
01:43:46,985 --> 01:43:47,552
say, those here example is

3075
01:43:47,552 --> 01:43:48,921
starting to get facts

3076
01:43:48,921 --> 01:43:49,988
specific. And so that's what I

3077
01:43:49,988 --> 01:43:51,724
would say. You could get an

3078
01:43:51,724 --> 01:43:53,250
advisory opinion from our

3079
01:43:53,250 --> 01:43:56,596
office. As to whether you can

3080
01:43:56,596 --> 01:43:57,896
accept that certain.

3081
01:43:57,896 --> 01:43:59,299
>> Item, I just wanted to

3082
01:43:59,299 --> 01:43:59,933
clarify that. It's not

3083
01:43:59,933 --> 01:44:02,333
intended to govern. Water

3084
01:44:04,505 --> 01:44:06,905
spouts can do capacity.

3085
01:44:08,742 --> 01:44:09,776
>> COUNCILMAN, my number. I

3086
01:44:09,776 --> 01:44:12,776
just wanted to clarify that.

3087
01:44:13,548 --> 01:44:15,250
Also hear a little bit because

3088
01:44:15,250 --> 01:44:18,850
there are some we are invited

3089
01:44:20,155 --> 01:44:22,925
to his honor and our spouses

3090
01:44:22,925 --> 01:44:23,592
included and that event, that

3091
01:44:23,592 --> 01:44:26,592
ticket price for that event

3092
01:44:26,929 --> 01:44:27,896
might be 80 bucks. So

3093
01:44:27,896 --> 01:44:29,799
combined. That's 160. So that

3094
01:44:29,799 --> 01:44:30,900
would put us over the 175

3095
01:44:30,900 --> 01:44:31,601
point.

3096
01:44:31,601 --> 01:44:32,635
>> So as an elected official,

3097
01:44:32,635 --> 01:44:35,372
that's where we get into those

3098
01:44:35,372 --> 01:44:38,372
other changes case. Which is

3099
01:44:39,309 --> 01:44:42,309
here. The 15 under the gift

3100
01:44:43,214 --> 01:44:44,480
section, which is so so that

3101
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:45,383
one is the reasonable cost

3102
01:44:45,383 --> 01:44:46,283
frequency of those meals and

3103
01:44:46,283 --> 01:44:49,283
event. Tickets. And that is

3104
01:44:49,553 --> 01:44:49,855
where your example, Atlanta,

3105
01:44:49,855 --> 01:44:50,522
okay.

3106
01:44:50,522 --> 01:44:53,158
>> So still so I can go the

3107
01:44:53,158 --> 01:44:55,158
Christmas Party.

3108
01:44:59,297 --> 01:44:59,932
>> good base.

3109
01:44:59,932 --> 01:45:02,401
>> I don't see any other

3110
01:45:02,401 --> 01:45:03,336
questions at this time. We'll

3111
01:45:03,336 --> 01:45:06,205
just look for you getting back

3112
01:45:06,205 --> 01:45:08,605
to questions and council

3113
01:45:11,311 --> 01:45:14,311
Dawson had. Thank you moving

3114
01:45:14,315 --> 01:45:14,982
on to item well, the clerk

3115
01:45:14,982 --> 01:45:17,382
please read item 10, 8 into

3116
01:45:21,289 --> 01:45:22,290
the record. Ad. Resolution

3117
01:45:22,290 --> 01:45:24,920
adopting the internal audit

3118
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:25,327
100 the office city auditor,

3119
01:45:25,327 --> 01:45:26,695
city of current students

3120
01:45:26,695 --> 01:45:28,695
affected 20 SEPTEMBER 22nd

3121
01:45:34,804 --> 01:45:35,471
2026.

3122
01:45:35,471 --> 01:45:37,307
>> Good morning. PRESIDENT

3123
01:45:37,307 --> 01:45:37,974
Grover son Pro Tem Roseland

3124
01:45:37,974 --> 01:45:40,974
members of City Council Ali

3125
01:45:43,413 --> 01:45:44,581
level. The otter. And today

3126
01:45:44,581 --> 01:45:46,283
I'm going to cover our

3127
01:45:46,283 --> 01:45:48,683
mission, vision and values

3128
01:45:49,686 --> 01:45:52,256
that covered. Tilt do briefly

3129
01:45:52,256 --> 01:45:54,259
a little bit about our office

3130
01:45:54,259 --> 01:45:55,327
structure. Purpose.

3131
01:45:55,327 --> 01:45:56,862
>> The city Auditor authority,

3132
01:45:56,862 --> 01:45:58,463
some unique considerations as

3133
01:45:58,463 --> 01:45:59,330
it relates to this internal

3134
01:45:59,330 --> 01:46:01,730
audit. Charter our Audit

3135
01:46:02,101 --> 01:46:03,502
Committee ordinance changes

3136
01:46:03,502 --> 01:46:05,338
that you MAY as a council wish

3137
01:46:05,338 --> 01:46:08,938
to consider next year and then

3138
01:46:11,770 --> 01:46:12,613
talk about next steps. The

3139
01:46:12,613 --> 01:46:13,480
purpose of the office of the

3140
01:46:13,480 --> 01:46:15,916
city auditor is to provide

3141
01:46:15,916 --> 01:46:18,316
independent risk based advice,

3142
01:46:18,586 --> 01:46:19,587
insight and foresight to

3143
01:46:19,587 --> 01:46:21,422
objective assurance and

3144
01:46:21,422 --> 01:46:23,191
advisory services design to

3145
01:46:23,191 --> 01:46:25,293
add value and improve the city

3146
01:46:25,293 --> 01:46:26,895
and its enterprise is

3147
01:46:26,895 --> 01:46:27,495
operations. The officer, the

3148
01:46:27,495 --> 01:46:29,495
city auditor provides 2

3149
01:46:30,232 --> 01:46:32,000
distinct types of work

3150
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,400
assurant work commonly called

3151
01:46:35,804 --> 01:46:36,939
audit work and advisory often

3152
01:46:36,939 --> 01:46:39,339
called consulting our audit

3153
01:46:39,776 --> 01:46:40,443
services involves an objective

3154
01:46:40,443 --> 01:46:41,440
examination of evidence to

3155
01:46:41,440 --> 01:46:42,245
provide an independent

3156
01:46:42,245 --> 01:46:43,790
assessment of the

3157
01:46:43,790 --> 01:46:45,790
organization's governance

3158
01:46:46,984 --> 01:46:47,684
risks and controls consulting

3159
01:46:47,684 --> 01:46:49,587
services, which the scope is

3160
01:46:49,587 --> 01:46:51,455
often agreed to with the

3161
01:46:51,455 --> 01:46:52,890
involved parties provides

3162
01:46:52,890 --> 01:46:54,489
advice without taking on

3163
01:46:54,792 --> 01:46:55,860
management responsibilities.

3164
01:46:55,860 --> 01:46:57,895
Our mission is to encourage

3165
01:46:57,895 --> 01:46:59,895
responsible stewardship and

3166
01:46:59,931 --> 01:47:00,632
accountability for public

3167
01:47:00,632 --> 01:47:02,632
resources through independent

3168
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:05,571
and unbiased audits. We

3169
01:47:05,571 --> 01:47:08,541
served. We seek to be trusted

3170
01:47:08,541 --> 01:47:09,708
advisors who drive positive

3171
01:47:09,708 --> 01:47:10,543
organizational change through

3172
01:47:10,543 --> 01:47:11,244
the independent insight,

3173
01:47:11,244 --> 01:47:13,446
integrity and solutions that

3174
01:47:13,446 --> 01:47:14,470
strengthen public trust

3175
01:47:14,470 --> 01:47:14,781
confidence and address

3176
01:47:14,781 --> 01:47:17,781
emerging risks for the benefit

3177
01:47:19,586 --> 01:47:20,220
for the community. And we hold

3178
01:47:20,220 --> 01:47:20,821
accountability, principle

3179
01:47:20,821 --> 01:47:22,623
behavior service to the

3180
01:47:22,623 --> 01:47:23,991
community continuous

3181
01:47:23,991 --> 01:47:26,991
improvement and people as our

3182
01:47:30,198 --> 01:47:32,400
values. I'm here today to

3183
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:34,169
review and present to you an

3184
01:47:34,169 --> 01:47:36,700
updated internal audit charter

3185
01:47:36,700 --> 01:47:37,940
which aligns our office with

3186
01:47:37,940 --> 01:47:39,875
the 2024 global internal audit

3187
01:47:39,875 --> 01:47:41,577
standards. The internal audit

3188
01:47:41,577 --> 01:47:43,346
charter documents mandates

3189
01:47:43,346 --> 01:47:45,447
that are already defined in

3190
01:47:45,447 --> 01:47:47,216
city charter and city code

3191
01:47:47,216 --> 01:47:48,485
that helps to further define

3192
01:47:48,485 --> 01:47:49,653
the roles and responsibilities

3193
01:47:49,653 --> 01:47:51,210
of the city auditor sometimes

3194
01:47:51,210 --> 01:47:51,688
called the chief audit

3195
01:47:51,688 --> 01:47:54,688
executive in our Red Global

3196
01:47:55,859 --> 01:47:56,627
Standards. It defines major

3197
01:47:56,627 --> 01:47:58,562
deliverables to counsel to the

3198
01:47:58,562 --> 01:47:59,597
audit committee and senior

3199
01:47:59,597 --> 01:48:01,597
management. But most

3200
01:48:01,799 --> 01:48:03,735
importantly, it reaffirms our

3201
01:48:03,735 --> 01:48:04,869
support, your support and

3202
01:48:04,869 --> 01:48:07,269
senior management support for

3203
01:48:07,906 --> 01:48:08,707
independence and objectivity.

3204
01:48:08,707 --> 01:48:11,430
And I will point out that this

3205
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:13,120
is a major key deliverable to

3206
01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:15,810
getting us prepared for our

3207
01:48:15,810 --> 01:48:15,982
peer review, an external

3208
01:48:15,982 --> 01:48:16,816
quality assessment next year,

3209
01:48:16,816 --> 01:48:17,517
which we shared with you

3210
01:48:17,517 --> 01:48:20,517
during planning process a few

3211
01:48:22,890 --> 01:48:23,990
months ago. The authority of

3212
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:26,260
the city auditor is largely

3213
01:48:26,260 --> 01:48:27,228
driven from the city code and

3214
01:48:27,228 --> 01:48:30,228
the city charter the city

3215
01:48:31,650 --> 01:48:32,266
charter section 3.10, e

3216
01:48:32,266 --> 01:48:32,967
appoints direction. Supervises

3217
01:48:32,967 --> 01:48:35,967
the city auditor that set

3218
01:48:36,604 --> 01:48:37,905
forth by City Council doing

3219
01:48:37,905 --> 01:48:38,607
those roles and then many

3220
01:48:38,607 --> 01:48:39,675
sections of the city code. I

3221
01:48:39,675 --> 01:48:43,112
won't go through all of those

3222
01:48:43,112 --> 01:48:44,130
details here, but that defines

3223
01:48:44,130 --> 01:48:45,982
our independence. Our access

3224
01:48:45,982 --> 01:48:48,382
or responsibilities. And those

3225
01:48:50,820 --> 01:48:51,521
mandated audits. These

3226
01:48:51,521 --> 01:48:53,921
provisions the legal mandate

3227
01:48:54,758 --> 01:48:55,792
for the internal audit and we

3228
01:48:55,792 --> 01:48:56,493
could stop there. But really

3229
01:48:56,493 --> 01:48:59,129
the standards envision a lot

3230
01:48:59,129 --> 01:49:00,998
more. And so that is really

3231
01:49:00,998 --> 01:49:03,301
why we're here in front of

3232
01:49:03,301 --> 01:49:04,402
you. The global 24 internal

3233
01:49:04,402 --> 01:49:05,369
audit standards place,

3234
01:49:05,369 --> 01:49:07,369
additional responsibilities on

3235
01:49:08,907 --> 01:49:09,573
both the chief audit executive

3236
01:49:09,573 --> 01:49:11,910
and the governing body. You

3237
01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:13,812
sitting a city council

3238
01:49:13,812 --> 01:49:15,812
standard. 6.1 requires the

3239
01:49:15,948 --> 01:49:17,717
auditor to provide the board

3240
01:49:17,717 --> 01:49:18,617
in our case City Council with

3241
01:49:18,617 --> 01:49:19,919
all information necessary to

3242
01:49:19,919 --> 01:49:20,687
establish internal audit

3243
01:49:20,687 --> 01:49:23,656
mandate. Much of that mandate.

3244
01:49:23,656 --> 01:49:24,357
As I mentioned, is already

3245
01:49:24,357 --> 01:49:26,626
embedded in the city, charter

3246
01:49:26,626 --> 01:49:27,327
and city code. But this

3247
01:49:27,327 --> 01:49:29,727
document summarizes that for

3248
01:49:31,231 --> 01:49:32,166
you. Standard. 6.2 goes

3249
01:49:32,166 --> 01:49:33,333
further and requires the

3250
01:49:33,333 --> 01:49:34,235
internal audit function to

3251
01:49:34,235 --> 01:49:37,235
have a formal board approved

3252
01:49:37,705 --> 01:49:38,406
internal audit charter and

3253
01:49:38,406 --> 01:49:39,908
that at a minimum, it defines

3254
01:49:39,908 --> 01:49:41,475
the purpose of internal

3255
01:49:41,475 --> 01:49:43,512
auditing our commitment to a

3256
01:49:43,512 --> 01:49:45,414
hearing to the global internal

3257
01:49:45,414 --> 01:49:46,115
audit standards. Our mandate,

3258
01:49:46,115 --> 01:49:48,515
which includes our authority,

3259
01:49:49,180 --> 01:49:50,720
our scope and our service

3260
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:52,221
types. Your board

3261
01:49:52,221 --> 01:49:52,889
responsibilities and our

3262
01:49:52,889 --> 01:49:54,857
organizational position and

3263
01:49:54,857 --> 01:49:56,857
reporting relationship. And

3264
01:49:56,926 --> 01:49:58,926
then further standard 6.3

3265
01:49:59,262 --> 01:50:00,964
requires that I provide to our

3266
01:50:00,964 --> 01:50:01,631
board and to senior

3267
01:50:01,631 --> 01:50:03,233
management, the information

3268
01:50:03,233 --> 01:50:04,100
necessary to support and

3269
01:50:04,100 --> 01:50:07,100
promote the recognition of the

3270
01:50:07,137 --> 01:50:08,939
internal audit office. So

3271
01:50:08,939 --> 01:50:11,410
while the city charter and the

3272
01:50:11,410 --> 01:50:12,344
city code to find that

3273
01:50:12,344 --> 01:50:14,790
mandate, document takes that a

3274
01:50:14,790 --> 01:50:14,579
step further and helps us to

3275
01:50:14,579 --> 01:50:15,280
define roles and

3276
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:17,680
responsibilities for each of

3277
01:50:20,919 --> 01:50:22,210
those parties. There are some

3278
01:50:22,210 --> 01:50:23,122
unique considerations with

3279
01:50:23,122 --> 01:50:23,990
this internal audit charter.

3280
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:26,759
Now the Red Book or the Global

3281
01:50:26,759 --> 01:50:28,761
Internal Audit Standards in

3282
01:50:28,761 --> 01:50:30,596
Visions, a type of internal

3283
01:50:30,596 --> 01:50:33,634
audit function in a MAY be

3284
01:50:33,634 --> 01:50:35,436
executive session. Executives

3285
01:50:35,436 --> 01:50:36,503
setting versus where we are,

3286
01:50:36,503 --> 01:50:37,204
which is reporting to an

3287
01:50:37,204 --> 01:50:40,204
elected body. A strong mayor

3288
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:42,176
form of government. Within

3289
01:50:42,176 --> 01:50:45,776
this. I think it's helpful to

3290
01:50:46,181 --> 01:50:47,849
set the standard that that the

3291
01:50:47,849 --> 01:50:48,517
charter and the code and the

3292
01:50:48,517 --> 01:50:49,151
Audit Committee ordinance,

3293
01:50:49,151 --> 01:50:51,687
which we're going to talk

3294
01:50:51,687 --> 01:50:54,524
about here in a minute are

3295
01:50:54,524 --> 01:50:55,224
really kind of the foundation

3296
01:50:55,224 --> 01:50:55,858
internal audit charter is not

3297
01:50:55,858 --> 01:50:56,559
intended to change any of

3298
01:50:56,559 --> 01:50:57,660
those. The none of the code.

3299
01:50:57,660 --> 01:51:01,860
None of the charter. But it is

3300
01:51:01,898 --> 01:51:04,367
to further define what those

3301
01:51:04,367 --> 01:51:06,767
standards trying to achieve

3302
01:51:06,870 --> 01:51:07,938
and the other thing and just

3303
01:51:07,938 --> 01:51:09,573
as I mentioned it right off

3304
01:51:09,573 --> 01:51:10,274
the requirements for you all

3305
01:51:10,274 --> 01:51:13,274
as a board for Standard 6.1,

3306
01:51:13,610 --> 01:51:15,610
6.2 6.3. There are the

3307
01:51:15,746 --> 01:51:17,849
equivalent of those 4 senior

3308
01:51:17,849 --> 01:51:19,251
management. It would not be

3309
01:51:19,251 --> 01:51:19,918
appropriate in this case for

3310
01:51:19,918 --> 01:51:21,190
City Council. You think of

3311
01:51:21,190 --> 01:51:21,854
this audit charter more like a

3312
01:51:21,854 --> 01:51:23,655
contract between me as the

3313
01:51:23,655 --> 01:51:26,250
city auditor and you as my

3314
01:51:26,250 --> 01:51:26,759
board to put any requirements

3315
01:51:26,759 --> 01:51:27,393
for senior management and

3316
01:51:27,393 --> 01:51:28,461
chart you don't have the

3317
01:51:28,461 --> 01:51:32,610
authority to do that. And so

3318
01:51:32,432 --> 01:51:33,320
what I will propose to you is

3319
01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:35,535
that after we get this

3320
01:51:35,535 --> 01:51:37,171
internal audit charter through

3321
01:51:37,171 --> 01:51:38,272
through a resolution with you

3322
01:51:38,272 --> 01:51:41,272
all that I will be

3323
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:42,944
coordinating with the

3324
01:51:42,944 --> 01:51:44,178
administrative side both

3325
01:51:44,178 --> 01:51:45,647
utilities, the airport, other

3326
01:51:45,647 --> 01:51:47,815
enterprises, the city of

3327
01:51:47,815 --> 01:51:48,516
Springs proper with

3328
01:51:48,516 --> 01:51:49,685
intergovernmental agreements

3329
01:51:49,685 --> 01:51:50,719
or service level agreements

3330
01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:51,453
that help solidify those same

3331
01:51:51,453 --> 01:51:53,880
requirements that we have with

3332
01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:53,755
the senior management. So much

3333
01:51:53,755 --> 01:51:57,355
what I'm doing with you all

3334
01:51:58,930 --> 01:52:01,300
today. In that same vein,

3335
01:52:01,300 --> 01:52:01,697
there is also an audit

3336
01:52:01,697 --> 01:52:03,399
committee ordinance that is

3337
01:52:03,399 --> 01:52:05,168
very specific on the set up of

3338
01:52:05,168 --> 01:52:07,470
audit committee. And that is

3339
01:52:07,470 --> 01:52:08,305
aboard or a committee that

3340
01:52:08,305 --> 01:52:09,500
respond to reports directly to

3341
01:52:09,500 --> 01:52:12,420
city council. And so it would

3342
01:52:12,420 --> 01:52:15,420
not be appropriate. 2 also at

3343
01:52:15,790 --> 01:52:16,246
any changes in this charter

3344
01:52:16,246 --> 01:52:16,948
that would govern that audit

3345
01:52:16,948 --> 01:52:17,682
committee that should be done

3346
01:52:17,682 --> 01:52:19,516
through ordinance changes. And

3347
01:52:19,516 --> 01:52:20,185
mention a few of those that we

3348
01:52:20,185 --> 01:52:22,553
MAY want to consider in the

3349
01:52:22,553 --> 01:52:24,553
future.

3350
01:52:27,826 --> 01:52:30,296
In terms of roles and

3351
01:52:30,296 --> 01:52:31,530
responsibilities, which is

3352
01:52:31,530 --> 01:52:32,164
really what this document

3353
01:52:32,164 --> 01:52:34,500
helps to solidify beyond

3354
01:52:34,500 --> 01:52:36,350
what's in the city code and

3355
01:52:36,350 --> 01:52:37,904
city charter. And that is that

3356
01:52:37,904 --> 01:52:40,304
City Council has the

3357
01:52:41,942 --> 01:52:43,277
responsibility of approving

3358
01:52:43,277 --> 01:52:43,943
the internal audit, charter

3359
01:52:43,943 --> 01:52:44,578
review and supporting audit

3360
01:52:44,578 --> 01:52:46,547
resource plans receiving

3361
01:52:46,547 --> 01:52:47,214
required annual communications

3362
01:52:47,214 --> 01:52:48,449
and resolving disagreements

3363
01:52:48,449 --> 01:52:51,449
between the management. And so

3364
01:52:53,822 --> 01:52:54,522
the auditor. There are some

3365
01:52:54,522 --> 01:52:55,824
other key things starting on

3366
01:52:55,824 --> 01:52:57,925
Page 7. The response. Well,

3367
01:52:57,925 --> 01:52:59,728
these are the city auditor per

3368
01:52:59,728 --> 01:53:01,296
the 24 global internal audit

3369
01:53:01,296 --> 01:53:03,696
standards. These range from

3370
01:53:03,933 --> 01:53:05,535
developing key deliverables to

3371
01:53:05,535 --> 01:53:06,202
require communications and

3372
01:53:06,202 --> 01:53:07,336
council has already observe

3373
01:53:07,336 --> 01:53:09,736
Dupree implementation, if you

3374
01:53:10,390 --> 01:53:12,800
will, of this charter over the

3375
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:12,642
last year council received a

3376
01:53:12,642 --> 01:53:15,450
very early draft of this

3377
01:53:15,450 --> 01:53:17,281
charter back in OCTOBER of 25.

3378
01:53:17,281 --> 01:53:19,160
And we have loosely been

3379
01:53:19,160 --> 01:53:19,884
trying to implement this

3380
01:53:19,884 --> 01:53:20,817
charter to look for any gaps

3381
01:53:20,817 --> 01:53:22,520
that we MAY find. So one

3382
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:24,288
example of that is not

3383
01:53:24,288 --> 01:53:24,956
quarterly status update that

3384
01:53:24,956 --> 01:53:27,225
you all have been receiving

3385
01:53:27,225 --> 01:53:28,360
every quarter this year. And

3386
01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:29,661
that's been helpful to just

3387
01:53:29,661 --> 01:53:30,561
make sure that we haven't

3388
01:53:30,561 --> 01:53:32,961
missed any major deliverables

3389
01:53:34,500 --> 01:53:35,935
or anything in charter. And we

3390
01:53:35,935 --> 01:53:36,601
we have a question for council

3391
01:53:36,601 --> 01:53:37,303
intention. Thank you, MADAM

3392
01:53:37,303 --> 01:53:39,238
PRESIDENT. Natalie, thank you

3393
01:53:39,238 --> 01:53:40,206
for presenting this morning

3394
01:53:40,206 --> 01:53:42,606
regarding the audit committee.

3395
01:53:43,900 --> 01:53:45,409
Can you remind me?

3396
01:53:45,779 --> 01:53:46,980
>> We have 2 citizen seats.

3397
01:53:46,980 --> 01:53:48,949
That correct? 3 get the

3398
01:53:48,949 --> 01:53:49,983
committee is made of 5 members

3399
01:53:49,983 --> 01:53:51,819
to our council members and 3

3400
01:53:51,819 --> 01:53:52,553
citizens. And then any

3401
01:53:52,553 --> 01:53:53,454
alternates that the council

3402
01:53:53,454 --> 01:53:53,921
MAY wish to okay in the

3403
01:53:53,921 --> 01:53:55,921
citizen seats.

3404
01:53:56,824 --> 01:53:58,824
>> What are the

3405
01:53:59,961 --> 01:54:02,664
>> I guess in that charter or

3406
01:54:02,664 --> 01:54:03,665
what is the charter for that

3407
01:54:03,665 --> 01:54:05,501
committee of how long those

3408
01:54:05,501 --> 01:54:06,535
members can sit in those

3409
01:54:06,535 --> 01:54:08,437
seats.

3410
01:54:08,437 --> 01:54:09,271
>> When it was created, it was

3411
01:54:09,271 --> 01:54:10,840
started on a staggering. So

3412
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:12,542
the first member had only one

3413
01:54:12,542 --> 01:54:13,642
year and then the second

3414
01:54:13,642 --> 01:54:14,711
member had 2 years and that

3415
01:54:14,711 --> 01:54:16,612
we're only replacing one

3416
01:54:16,612 --> 01:54:18,815
citizen member every year. But

3417
01:54:18,815 --> 01:54:21,180
once that's in place, it's I

3418
01:54:21,180 --> 01:54:21,385
believe a three-year term. And

3419
01:54:21,385 --> 01:54:22,520
I could.

3420
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:24,452
>> Double check that here.

3421
01:54:25,423 --> 01:54:25,723
Real quickly, just forgive

3422
01:54:25,723 --> 01:54:26,590
you.

3423
01:54:26,590 --> 01:54:27,358
>> And additional three-year

3424
01:54:27,358 --> 01:54:28,326
term. So their term limited

3425
01:54:28,326 --> 01:54:30,428
for 2 three-year terms to 3

3426
01:54:30,428 --> 01:54:32,630
terms.

3427
01:54:32,630 --> 01:54:32,697
>> right. And just for

3428
01:54:32,697 --> 01:54:33,364
reference in case you're

3429
01:54:33,364 --> 01:54:35,364
looking ordinance, 13 dash,

3430
01:54:42,342 --> 01:54:43,900
32. Great Page 13. It starts

3431
01:54:43,900 --> 01:54:45,244
to highlight City Council's

3432
01:54:45,244 --> 01:54:46,279
oversight. I covered some of

3433
01:54:46,279 --> 01:54:49,879
that in in those references to

3434
01:54:50,500 --> 01:54:52,500
standard 6.1, 6.2 6.3, but me

3435
01:54:53,200 --> 01:54:54,320
me, this is to remind Council

3436
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:55,289
of the role it plays is in

3437
01:54:55,289 --> 01:54:57,689
ensuring the auditors office

3438
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:00,762
has the authority. It needs as

3439
01:55:00,762 --> 01:55:01,462
and helps us all stay aligned

3440
01:55:01,462 --> 01:55:03,164
to what the purpose of the

3441
01:55:03,164 --> 01:55:05,299
internal audit function And

3442
01:55:05,299 --> 01:55:07,699
then Page 14 highlights the

3443
01:55:09,300 --> 01:55:09,772
audit committee's role only in

3444
01:55:09,772 --> 01:55:11,940
so far as how it relates to

3445
01:55:11,940 --> 01:55:12,642
the office receiving

3446
01:55:12,642 --> 01:55:14,642
deliverables or communication

3447
01:55:17,246 --> 01:55:19,315
with the city auditor oversee.

3448
01:55:19,315 --> 01:55:21,518
And this is a very abbreviated

3449
01:55:21,518 --> 01:55:22,386
summation of the deliverables

3450
01:55:22,386 --> 01:55:24,287
and the reporting cadence that

3451
01:55:24,287 --> 01:55:25,255
is found in that internal

3452
01:55:25,255 --> 01:55:28,255
audit Charter and Exhibit b,

3453
01:55:29,930 --> 01:55:30,361
it goes into a lot more detail

3454
01:55:30,361 --> 01:55:31,620
looking for the action, the

3455
01:55:31,620 --> 01:55:32,230
council to take the roles and

3456
01:55:32,230 --> 01:55:34,630
responsibilities of the audit

3457
01:55:35,834 --> 01:55:36,601
committee helping to really

3458
01:55:36,601 --> 01:55:37,269
define what everybody's rules

3459
01:55:37,269 --> 01:55:39,237
and responsibilities are to

3460
01:55:39,237 --> 01:55:41,637
those major deliverables for

3461
01:55:44,977 --> 01:55:46,846
office. And as I mentioned,

3462
01:55:46,846 --> 01:55:49,846
going through this process, we

3463
01:55:50,350 --> 01:55:51,170
did identify a handful of

3464
01:55:51,170 --> 01:55:53,119
potential changes that this

3465
01:55:53,119 --> 01:55:56,119
council MAY wish to consider

3466
01:55:57,725 --> 01:55:59,920
in terms of changing audit

3467
01:55:59,920 --> 01:55:59,760
committee structure.

3468
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:01,760
Administratively things and

3469
01:56:02,330 --> 01:56:02,963
some of those examples came up

3470
01:56:02,963 --> 01:56:03,630
in the last 2 years. I've

3471
01:56:03,630 --> 01:56:04,866
spent a lot of time meeting

3472
01:56:04,866 --> 01:56:07,670
with the citizen members of

3473
01:56:07,670 --> 01:56:10,670
the audit committee so that

3474
01:56:10,710 --> 01:56:11,473
they could advise this board

3475
01:56:11,473 --> 01:56:12,307
and part of the ordinance

3476
01:56:12,307 --> 01:56:15,110
requires that a council member

3477
01:56:15,110 --> 01:56:16,579
be present in order to have a

3478
01:56:16,579 --> 01:56:17,512
qorum. Maybe one consideration

3479
01:56:17,512 --> 01:56:21,112
might be to allow the city

3480
01:56:21,317 --> 01:56:22,385
auditor to meet with those

3481
01:56:22,385 --> 01:56:23,190
citizens with and audit

3482
01:56:23,190 --> 01:56:25,419
committee are and council

3483
01:56:25,889 --> 01:56:26,590
member present, for example,

3484
01:56:26,590 --> 01:56:29,590
it does address the frequency

3485
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:33,360
of meetings. But maybe we want

3486
01:56:33,497 --> 01:56:34,432
to be more specific about

3487
01:56:34,432 --> 01:56:35,433
those frequencies. Another

3488
01:56:35,433 --> 01:56:36,567
consideration would be

3489
01:56:36,567 --> 01:56:37,301
specific areas of expertise

3490
01:56:37,301 --> 01:56:40,538
for the audit committee. So it

3491
01:56:40,538 --> 01:56:41,606
might make sense for us to

3492
01:56:41,606 --> 01:56:42,274
spend some time over the next

3493
01:56:42,274 --> 01:56:44,276
year is an audit committee

3494
01:56:44,276 --> 01:56:46,276
going through potential

3495
01:56:46,278 --> 01:56:48,847
changes? Always a good time to

3496
01:56:48,847 --> 01:56:49,581
look at it. It's been since

3497
01:56:49,581 --> 01:56:50,249
2013 when this ordinance was

3498
01:56:50,249 --> 01:56:51,717
created. It's probably time

3499
01:56:51,717 --> 01:56:52,818
for a refresh to make sure

3500
01:56:52,818 --> 01:56:53,419
that this committee is doing

3501
01:56:53,419 --> 01:56:55,819
still what this council

3502
01:56:57,123 --> 01:56:58,759
wishes. I would propose if

3503
01:56:58,759 --> 01:57:02,359
there is an interest in this

3504
01:57:02,796 --> 01:57:04,640
that I bring suggested changes

3505
01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:04,732
potential ordinance language

3506
01:57:04,732 --> 01:57:07,732
to the sport sometime next

3507
01:57:11,105 --> 01:57:13,241
year. And just a recap of our

3508
01:57:13,241 --> 01:57:14,142
stakeholder process. I

3509
01:57:14,142 --> 01:57:15,760
mentioned to you all that this

3510
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:17,446
council received a very early

3511
01:57:17,446 --> 01:57:18,179
draft of this charter in their

3512
01:57:18,179 --> 01:57:20,179
required annual communications

3513
01:57:21,500 --> 01:57:22,251
back in OCTOBER of 2025. And

3514
01:57:22,251 --> 01:57:25,251
then an updated version in

3515
01:57:25,922 --> 01:57:26,923
MARCH of 2026. And my

3516
01:57:26,923 --> 01:57:27,557
quarterly briefing to you And

3517
01:57:27,557 --> 01:57:29,957
then the audit committee

3518
01:57:30,627 --> 01:57:33,627
received a draft version of

3519
01:57:33,664 --> 01:57:36,640
draft internal audit charter

3520
01:57:36,700 --> 01:57:38,669
in JUNE of 26, we held a

3521
01:57:38,669 --> 01:57:41,690
dedicated workshop with them

3522
01:57:41,405 --> 01:57:41,940
on JULY 9th and then asked for

3523
01:57:41,940 --> 01:57:43,141
a motion for their

3524
01:57:43,141 --> 01:57:44,876
recommendation to this council

3525
01:57:44,876 --> 01:57:45,777
for approval at the AUGUST

3526
01:57:45,777 --> 01:57:48,777
meeting. And so they did

3527
01:57:49,881 --> 01:57:51,881
provide that recommendation.

3528
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:54,253
And so looking at next if

3529
01:57:54,253 --> 01:57:56,422
council wishes we would like

3530
01:57:56,422 --> 01:57:57,790
to. I have this on the consent

3531
01:57:57,790 --> 01:58:00,190
agenda for next regular

3532
01:58:01,995 --> 01:58:02,895
council session of SEPTEMBER

3533
01:58:02,895 --> 01:58:03,597
22nd and where you'll

3534
01:58:03,597 --> 01:58:05,997
considering a resolution for

3535
01:58:06,833 --> 01:58:08,102
approving the internal and

3536
01:58:08,102 --> 01:58:09,737
then again, council desires

3537
01:58:09,737 --> 01:58:10,403
and 27. The city auditor to

3538
01:58:10,403 --> 01:58:11,500
work with the Council audit

3539
01:58:11,500 --> 01:58:12,573
committee to recommend

3540
01:58:12,573 --> 01:58:15,410
changes. If any, to the

3541
01:58:15,410 --> 01:58:16,110
structure administration.

3542
01:58:16,110 --> 01:58:19,110
Relook at the ordinance that

3543
01:58:19,514 --> 01:58:21,416
established U.S.. And then I

3544
01:58:21,416 --> 01:58:23,318
would be remiss not pointing

3545
01:58:23,318 --> 01:58:24,286
out that we also administer

3546
01:58:24,286 --> 01:58:27,286
the city's fraud, waste and

3547
01:58:27,289 --> 01:58:28,290
abuse hotline. And so for

3548
01:58:28,290 --> 01:58:29,491
anybody who's interested there

3549
01:58:29,491 --> 01:58:30,393
is the contact information for

3550
01:58:30,393 --> 01:58:33,993
us and they can take any

3551
01:58:35,650 --> 01:58:37,465
questions you might have.

3552
01:58:40,371 --> 01:58:42,371
COUNCILMAN Williams. Thank

3553
01:58:43,306 --> 01:58:44,800
PRESIDENT. Somewhere in there

3554
01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:46,143
you had disagreements between

3555
01:58:46,143 --> 01:58:48,543
management and the auditor.

3556
01:58:50,215 --> 01:58:50,915
>> What is the definition

3557
01:58:50,915 --> 01:58:51,617
>> Yes, that's that's a great

3558
01:58:51,617 --> 01:58:53,518
question. And that's required

3559
01:58:53,518 --> 01:58:54,252
by our code. It's escalation

3560
01:58:54,252 --> 01:58:56,288
process that we have are that

3561
01:58:56,288 --> 01:58:59,888
we're required to have and so

3562
01:58:59,925 --> 01:59:00,626
an example of that might be

3563
01:59:00,626 --> 01:59:03,763
risk base. Let's say that we

3564
01:59:03,763 --> 01:59:04,764
go through an audit process

3565
01:59:04,764 --> 01:59:06,599
and we control that needs to

3566
01:59:06,599 --> 01:59:07,934
be fixed. That we make a

3567
01:59:07,934 --> 01:59:08,669
recommendation and management

3568
01:59:08,669 --> 01:59:12,106
comes back and says to us know

3569
01:59:12,106 --> 01:59:13,474
if we cannot implement that or

3570
01:59:13,474 --> 01:59:16,844
we refuse I MAY work with them

3571
01:59:16,844 --> 01:59:18,246
to say that risk is still too

3572
01:59:18,246 --> 01:59:18,946
great. Let's say we All right.

3573
01:59:18,946 --> 01:59:20,916
Recommendation that works.

3574
01:59:20,916 --> 01:59:21,850
That's where we would come

3575
01:59:21,850 --> 01:59:22,517
before this council to the

3576
01:59:22,517 --> 01:59:24,853
definition of management is

3577
01:59:24,853 --> 01:59:26,188
whoever you're auditing.

3578
01:59:26,188 --> 01:59:29,240
That's correct. So that that's

3579
01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:30,159
a very broad term in our

3580
01:59:30,159 --> 01:59:31,927
standards. Management is be on

3581
01:59:31,927 --> 01:59:32,528
just what you would think of

3582
01:59:32,528 --> 01:59:35,528
as an executive us that

3583
01:59:37,734 --> 01:59:40,734
anybody that packed. Have it

3584
01:59:41,705 --> 01:59:42,906
is in place with us.

3585
01:59:42,906 --> 01:59:44,541
>> That's why you're proposing

3586
01:59:44,541 --> 01:59:45,275
them as do. I understand

3587
01:59:45,275 --> 01:59:46,410
correctly. That is correct. We

3588
01:59:46,410 --> 01:59:46,977
do not currently have them in

3589
01:59:46,977 --> 01:59:47,578
place and it could be

3590
01:59:47,578 --> 01:59:49,314
something as simple as

3591
01:59:49,314 --> 01:59:51,215
administratively. When we

3592
01:59:51,215 --> 01:59:53,184
>> issue an audit at the

3593
01:59:53,184 --> 01:59:54,251
conclusion we asked for

3594
01:59:54,251 --> 01:59:56,187
management responses. We would

3595
01:59:56,187 --> 01:59:56,821
like for them to return. Those

3596
01:59:56,821 --> 01:59:59,221
management responses in a

3597
01:59:59,324 --> 02:00:00,590
timely fashion and we also

3598
02:00:00,590 --> 02:00:02,160
then commit to getting them to

3599
02:00:02,160 --> 02:00:02,861
them in a timely fashion. Some

3600
02:00:02,861 --> 02:00:06,232
looking to put a little more

3601
02:00:06,232 --> 02:00:08,632
structure around that going

3602
02:00:09,202 --> 02:00:09,936
forward. And I'm look at the

3603
02:00:09,936 --> 02:00:13,172
attorney, but I'm not sure how

3604
02:00:13,172 --> 02:00:13,806
we have an ig with ourselves

3605
02:00:13,806 --> 02:00:14,575
because we're at the seam

3606
02:00:14,575 --> 02:00:16,975
government. So maybe ammo.

3607
02:00:18,546 --> 02:00:20,614
Might be some sort of

3608
02:00:20,614 --> 02:00:21,449
agreement that, you know,

3609
02:00:21,449 --> 02:00:22,917
really solidifies management's

3610
02:00:22,917 --> 02:00:24,786
commitment to supporting our

3611
02:00:24,786 --> 02:00:28,986
office so that we can rule and

3612
02:00:32,594 --> 02:00:33,528
Okay, thank you. Seen of the

3613
02:00:33,528 --> 02:00:35,928
questions. Can I separate

3614
02:00:36,498 --> 02:00:37,333
them? Consent.

3615
02:00:37,333 --> 02:00:40,333
>> We've got that on consent

3616
02:00:42,471 --> 02:00:43,339
for the 22nd. Thank you.

3617
02:00:43,339 --> 02:00:44,374
>> Moving on to item will the

3618
02:00:44,374 --> 02:00:47,374
clerk please read item 10:00am

3619
02:00:48,111 --> 02:00:48,778
to the record.

3620
02:00:48,778 --> 02:00:51,778
>> a position about a state

3621
02:00:51,815 --> 02:00:52,617
travels for Councilmembers

3622
02:00:52,617 --> 02:00:53,351
Council goal.

3623
02:00:53,351 --> 02:00:55,751
>> Thank you, MADAM PRESIDENT,

3624
02:00:57,421 --> 02:00:58,890
requesting authorization for

3625
02:00:58,890 --> 02:00:59,790
out of state travel for and

3626
02:00:59,790 --> 02:01:00,325
I'll see NOVEMBER NOVEMBER

3627
02:01:00,325 --> 02:01:02,325
19th 21019th, both

3628
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:04,290
councilmember Remy and I have

3629
02:01:04,290 --> 02:01:07,629
a desire to attend. And yeah,

3630
02:01:08,367 --> 02:01:09,435
that's it.

3631
02:01:09,435 --> 02:01:10,470
>> So you're asking for

3632
02:01:10,470 --> 02:01:12,870
yourself or and COUNCILMAN

3633
02:01:13,105 --> 02:01:16,105
Draining. Are you also asking

3634
02:01:17,677 --> 02:01:19,846
>> Could you ask us?

3635
02:01:19,846 --> 02:01:20,547
>> Yes, cause rainy requesting

3636
02:01:20,547 --> 02:01:22,449
permission from this council

3637
02:01:22,449 --> 02:01:26,490
to attend the Nlc. The 19 to

3638
02:01:27,655 --> 02:01:28,389
the 21st. COUNCILMAN Drizzly.

3639
02:01:28,389 --> 02:01:31,989
I'm just curious what the cost

3640
02:01:33,662 --> 02:01:34,396
of that is.

3641
02:01:34,396 --> 02:01:36,796
>> believe the cause currently

3642
02:01:37,433 --> 02:01:39,833
was somewhere around the $3400

3643
02:01:41,237 --> 02:01:41,904
mark and that includes travel

3644
02:01:41,904 --> 02:01:43,904
lodging. Yeah, registration

3645
02:01:45,207 --> 02:01:46,776
airline hotel or dm at the to

3646
02:01:46,776 --> 02:01:49,176
be around. 34 the lowest

3647
02:01:51,214 --> 02:01:53,214
around. 28. Thanks.

3648
02:01:55,586 --> 02:01:56,187
>> The council and also.

3649
02:01:56,187 --> 02:01:56,853
>> Yeah, thanks, MADAM

3650
02:01:56,853 --> 02:01:59,853
PRESIDENT. I guess I should

3651
02:02:00,240 --> 02:02:01,580
add in here that. I guess I

3652
02:02:01,580 --> 02:02:01,726
need permission to go to

3653
02:02:01,726 --> 02:02:04,126
Huntsville for with chamber

3654
02:02:10,836 --> 02:02:11,904
trip down there.

3655
02:02:11,904 --> 02:02:13,306
>> to have a crack requests

3656
02:02:13,306 --> 02:02:13,973
from and Allison to travel to

3657
02:02:13,973 --> 02:02:14,539
Huntsville with the Chamber

3658
02:02:14,539 --> 02:02:17,539
edc in the fall. And

3659
02:02:18,845 --> 02:02:20,146
COUNCILMAN. Rainy and cold for

3660
02:02:20,146 --> 02:02:20,413
some conference. It's a thumbs

3661
02:02:20,413 --> 02:02:22,413
up.

3662
02:02:25,953 --> 02:02:26,520
>> If you are in support. It

3663
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:29,520
looks like he will be

3664
02:02:30,357 --> 02:02:30,958
traveling.

3665
02:02:30,958 --> 02:02:32,958
>> That concludes MADAM

3666
02:02:34,529 --> 02:02:35,230
PRESIDENT. I'll just add that.

3667
02:02:35,230 --> 02:02:35,897
>> What is our source type in

3668
02:02:35,897 --> 02:02:38,467
that we get to use for this

3669
02:02:38,467 --> 02:02:41,467
kind of trips, a forgotten.

3670
02:02:41,703 --> 02:02:42,371
>> Around a council member.

3671
02:02:42,371 --> 02:02:42,937
>> You know, I went out for

3672
02:02:42,937 --> 02:02:44,937
that American defense

3673
02:02:46,441 --> 02:02:47,276
communities thing in dc. And I

3674
02:02:47,276 --> 02:02:49,676
went up Colorado Municipal

3675
02:02:52,615 --> 02:02:53,583
League in Denver. So I don't

3676
02:02:53,583 --> 02:02:54,584
have money from plane tickets,

3677
02:02:54,584 --> 02:02:55,685
but I'm going to buy him out

3678
02:02:55,685 --> 02:02:56,420
of my own pocket unless

3679
02:02:56,420 --> 02:02:59,420
there's a kind person sitting

3680
02:02:59,790 --> 02:03:01,859
up here at the Dias who wants

3681
02:03:01,859 --> 02:03:02,493
to basically give me a little

3682
02:03:02,493 --> 02:03:04,361
piece of their stipend to

3683
02:03:04,361 --> 02:03:06,498
cover my plane ticket.

3684
02:03:06,498 --> 02:03:07,399
>> So if you can convince a

3685
02:03:07,399 --> 02:03:09,500
councilmember to do that, they

3686
02:03:09,500 --> 02:03:10,135
just need to send me an e-mail

3687
02:03:10,135 --> 02:03:10,836
requesting that they are

3688
02:03:10,836 --> 02:03:11,970
giving you some money out of

3689
02:03:11,970 --> 02:03:13,970
their bucket and

3690
02:03:14,640 --> 02:03:15,541
>> we will then.

3691
02:03:15,541 --> 02:03:17,941
>> The forward with ok,

3692
02:03:19,778 --> 02:03:20,512
appreciate it. Thank you.

3693
02:03:20,512 --> 02:03:23,150
>> This does conclude our work

3694
02:03:23,150 --> 02:03:24,000
session meeting for today. We