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Okay, the hour of 6:30 having arrived,

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I'd like to call the regular plan

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commission meeting for the city of

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Columbus to order.

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Mike, will you call the roll?

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» Binkler

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>> Here.

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» Here.

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>> Myers

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» Myers

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» That was weird.

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Albright

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>> Present.

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» Present.

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>> Uriah

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» Uriah

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>> Present.

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» Present.

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>> Juszkiewicz

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» Juszkiewicz

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>> Here.

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>> Stuke

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>> Here.

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» Here.

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>> We have a quorum. Great.

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» We have a quorum. Great.

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>> [sighs and gasps]

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» [sighs and gasps]

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>> Okay, this meeting was properly posted

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» Okay, this meeting was properly posted

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in accordance with state law.

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Uh there's a agenda in your packets.

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I'll entertain a motion to approve or

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>> I'll move to approve.

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» I'll move to approve.

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>> Second.

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» Second.

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>> I have a motion and a second. All those

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» I have a motion and a second. All those

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in favor signify by I.

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>> Opposed?

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We have our agenda.

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Uh minutes are also in your packet from

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last month.

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I'll entertain a motion to approve or

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amend.

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» I'd make a motion to approve.

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» I'll second that.

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>> I have a motion and a second. Any

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» I have a motion and a second. Any

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discussion?

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All those in favor signify by I.

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Minutes are approved.

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Okay, moving on to our first item of

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regular business. We have a public

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hearing regarding the amendment of

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parking spaces requirements

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section 114-26.

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and ask if any member of the public

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wishes to speak on this item.

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the public wish to speak on this item?

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Mike, was anything sent to you?

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public wishing to speak on this item.

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hearing and move on to item three for

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the commission to consider and take

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action regarding the repeal and

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replacement of municipal code 114-126

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regarding required parking spaces.

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what we discussed

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pre- previously earlier in the year. The

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reason we're doing this separate is to

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support uh WEDA programs for residential

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housing in in downtown.

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in October and beginning in November.

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then then people aren't eligible for low

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interest loans for downtown uh project

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redevelopment projects.

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today's agenda that helps to move us

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people to access those low interest loan

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funds.

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to the section of the parking code that

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addresses number of parking spaces

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required. It doesn't address other

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parking stuff. So,

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meet the requirements for uh WEDA

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financing. So,

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if there's no comment or discussion,

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uh, recommend to council.

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>> Have a motion and a second.

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take action regarding the condominium

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plat for Lamps Landing LLC located on

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All right. Mike, you want to introduce

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your staff report here?

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eight twin home units, four buildings,

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eight dwelling units.

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with conditions, um, and we just

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that CSM, the uh, changes have been

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for the condo plat from our city

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engineer. Um, about a half hour ago we

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received an updated condo plat

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um, addressing many of those things.

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with trying to get that um done. Um

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to the north, but that's not the issue

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today. It's the twin homes um

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and the platting of that, and uh our

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city engineer uh provided comments

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that need to be addressed, and uh

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limited access to Tower Drive to two

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driveways because of traffic concerns on

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>> How are they owned?

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» How are they owned?

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>> Uh twin homes uh through a condominium

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» Uh twin homes uh through a condominium

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association.

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» They considered town homes?

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>> They're considered twin homes.

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» Like a duplex, except not,

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» Is the legal arrangement that defines

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what the common areas are and the

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private areas are? Is that all part of

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the condo plat that we're approving

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tonight, or is that a separate

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thought maybe that was addressed in

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addressed in there um

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» Cuz there's always a lot of moving

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parts, right? There's the There's the

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legal record of the the

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the condo plat. There's the site plan

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which we're not we're not reviewing.

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>> They still need to uh include covenants

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» They still need to uh include covenants

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and those kinds of things too uh that

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that that should be part of the condo

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plat.

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Um and Josh is online.

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>> Yep, I'm here.

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» Yep, I'm here.

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>> There he is.

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» There he is.

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>> Yep, I'm here.

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» Yep, I'm here.

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You know, Mike, I have all the condo

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docs. All that stuff's done and uh I can

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send it to you. You know, it's it's set

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up just like a normal small condo

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association set up.

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» I I guess my question is that is that

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the plat itself?

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>> No. Typically, I mean, the city council

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» No. Typically, I mean, the city council

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would approve that portion, I would

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think. You know, that's how they did it

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in Windsor and Deforest, but I've never

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done a condo project in Columbus.

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It's pretty straightforward. I mean, I I

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I'd rather have an apartment building

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there, but that's what you guys wanted

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me to put there, so.

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>> Yeah, I mean, I understand it's I

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» Yeah, I mean, I understand it's I

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understand the documents are not

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complicated. I I guess what I'm trying

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to make sure that I'm asking is that

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if this if the

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recorded part of the

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condo agreement is part of the plat

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then doesn't it stand to reason that it

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should be in front of us here for

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>> I don't know what you're going to do

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» I don't know what you're going to do

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with the

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I don't know what you're going to do

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with the condominium documents, but

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I mean, they were sent

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they were done 2 months ago.

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Like I said, if this doesn't get taken

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care of and approved, I'm not going to

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do this stuff till next year. So, I I

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build stuff in the fall, so it's done in

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the summer. That's my timeline. And if

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if it's not going to work, then we'll

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just revisit next year.

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I'll start my SunPrairie project then.

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>> I understand. I'm not trying to be

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» I understand. I'm not trying to be

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combative. I'm trying to make sure that

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>> I'm not trying to be combative either,

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» I'm not trying to be combative either,

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but what's supposed to be in front of us

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here? I told the city of Columbus when I

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bought this property from them that I

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wanted to do this this year. I mean,

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there there is a need for housing in

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Columbus. I mean, those 45 apartments

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rented out in 30 days.

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And if we can't figure that out, then we

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might as well just get our ducks in a

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row and do this in uh 2028.

321
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» Will you give us a minute?

322
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>> Sure.

323
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» Sure.

324
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>> Great.

325
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» Um

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we shared this with the city engineer,

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and I don't see any

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uh

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comments regarding that.

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Um

331
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This is middle of real car.

332
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This may not include all city

333
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requirements for the submittal.

334
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Right. Right.

335
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» The

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council, are we

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are we actually approving or is it are

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we recommending?

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Council

340
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>> We're recommending.

341
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» We're recommending.

342
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>> Right. You're recommending.

343
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» Right. You're recommending.

344
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>> Yeah, it's going to council.

345
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» Yeah, it's going to council.

346
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>> Um right. Land division still goes to

347
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» Um right. Land division still goes to

348
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council. Yeah.

349
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>> I mean a motion could be made depending

350
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» I mean a motion could be made depending

351
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on any additional requirements.

352
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Right?

353
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Can I just ask a question, Uriah?

354
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>> Yeah.

355
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» Yeah.

356
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>> Is it required to have the condo

357
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» Is it required to have the condo

358
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agreement

359
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>> know. My question was a honest question

360
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» know. My question was a honest question

361
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that was not intended to be any kind of

362
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gotcha.

363
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>> Right. Right. You're just trying to ask

364
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» Right. Right. You're just trying to ask

365
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if it is required.

366
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>> Right. Is if it's part of the condo plat

367
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» Right. Is if it's part of the condo plat

368
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then

369
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it stands to reason that it should be

370
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part of this packet part of this

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consideration.

372
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» [snorts]

373
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>> Um

374
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» Um

375
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So, my I guess I do have a So, why do we

376
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think there's a possibility that would

377
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have to be in the development phase? To

378
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me, that seems like that's closer to the

379
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you know um

380
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or when the buildings are up or almost

381
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up. You know what I'm saying? Like this

382
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is like pre-development.

383
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>> Yeah.

384
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» Yeah.

385
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>> I'm wondering why Why would that be a

386
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» I'm wondering why Why would that be a

387
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concern in pre-development versus what

388
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during the development phase? Or towards

389
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the end.

390
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>> To me, this is also similar, you know,

391
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» To me, this is also similar, you know,

392
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condominium documents are about the

393
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ownership of the property, not the

394
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layout of the property.

395
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>> Okay.

396
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» Okay.

397
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>> And uh our city attorney really

398
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» And uh our city attorney really

399
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I think in the past has not had like,

400
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you know, a single-family traditional

401
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development did not want the city

402
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approving the covenants that go with

403
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that cuz that's really the developer's

404
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document for guide, you know, uh it's

405
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more of a private document.

406
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>> Right.

407
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» Right.

408
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>> So, to in my mind, that would be in line

409
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» So, to in my mind, that would be in line

410
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>> According to Google

411
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» According to Google

412
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it they do not go together.

413
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>> Okay.

414
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» Okay.

415
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>> I mean, for what it's worth. It was a

416
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» I mean, for what it's worth. It was a

417
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quick Google search.

418
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>> [laughter]

419
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» [laughter]

420
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>> Sure. All right.

421
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» Sure. All right.

422
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Uh like I said, I'm just trying to make

423
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sure that we're

424
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>> No, he's

425
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» No, he's

426
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>> that we've we've got all this stuff

427
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» that we've we've got all this stuff

428
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aired out in public

429
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>> I can double-check if if if you want to

430
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» I can double-check if if if you want to

431
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forward it on

432
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for approval to council. I can double

433
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check with

434
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the city attorney in between now

435
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and the

436
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What is it? September 5th?

437
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>> Sure.

438
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» Sure.

439
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I'm satisfied with that.

440
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» We can address it that way, too.

441
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>> Okay.

442
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» Okay.

443
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>> So we we talked about the fourplex.

444
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That was that was

445
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presented to do us before.

446
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» And is is the

447
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>> This is the This is the first time this

448
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» This is the This is the first time this

449
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has been presented to the planning

450
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commission as a development project.

451
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There's been no development plans for

452
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the twin homes previously till tonight.

453
00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:15,150
>> Okay.

454
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» Okay.

455
00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,030
>> Mhm. But we saw something for the

456
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» Mhm. But we saw something for the

457
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apartment building.

458
00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,000
» There's been no development plans for

459
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the apartment building as of

460
00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,070
>> We've seen ideas.

461
00:14:25,070 --> 00:14:25,080
» We've seen ideas.

462
00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:25,920
and ideas.

463
00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,830
>> conceptual ideas that were included in

464
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» conceptual ideas that were included in

465
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the request for proposal.

466
00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,310
>> That's what I was just going to say

467
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» That's what I was just going to say

468
00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:30,520
that.

469
00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,430
>> That's not development plans at all.

470
00:14:32,430 --> 00:14:32,440
» That's not development plans at all.

471
00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:33,990
>> Okay. I guess I thought I would thought

472
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» Okay. I guess I thought I would thought

473
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I remember certified site map, but maybe

474
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I'm wrong. That's what this is, right? I

475
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mean

476
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>> All right, let me Let me

477
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» All right, let me Let me

478
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>> All right, yeah. Real estate

479
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» All right, yeah. Real estate

480
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>> Previous previous at the July meeting,

481
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» Previous previous at the July meeting,

482
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you recommended approval of the

483
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certified survey map which splits the

484
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parcel into three three parcels.

485
00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:55,430
>> Oh, yeah.

486
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» Oh, yeah.

487
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>> One for the apartment, the middle one

488
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» One for the apartment, the middle one

489
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for the twin homes, and the

490
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bottom one for parkland.

491
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>> Right.

492
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» Right.

493
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>> So that breaks it into two three lots.

494
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» So that breaks it into two three lots.

495
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What this is doing today is breaking it

496
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down into further

497
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air quotes lots for twin home

498
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development. So it's it's it's now going

499
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to the next level, but only for that

500
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middle lot.

501
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» Okay, thank you.

502
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Does this go to council?

503
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>> Yes.

504
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» Yes.

505
00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,470
>> Okay.

506
00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:28,480
» Okay.

507
00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,430
>> Just like just like a regular plat, like

508
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» Just like just like a regular plat, like

509
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Cardinal Heights, that goes to council.

510
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>> Um I move to approve the

511
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» Um I move to approve the

512
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um I move to

513
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recommend approving of the condo plat um

514
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to council

515
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with the following conditions, items in

516
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the review letter be addressed, and a

517
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sewer tap application for all dwellings

518
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on the parcel be submitted to Columbus

519
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Utilities, and all fees paid in full.

520
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>> I second.

521
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» I second.

522
00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,910
>> I have a motion and a second.

523
00:16:01,910 --> 00:16:01,920
» I have a motion and a second.

524
00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,470
Any further discussion?

525
00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:06,320
I have another question, Mike.

526
00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:07,190
>> Mike um

527
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» Mike um

528
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Oh.

529
00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:08,960
Online.

530
00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,070
>> Josh, yes.

531
00:16:10,070 --> 00:16:10,080
» Josh, yes.

532
00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,630
>> Yeah, Mike Mike I I I just want to state

533
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» Yeah, Mike Mike I I I just want to state

534
00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,200
something, you know, in regards to the

535
00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,440
sewer stuff, you know, it it would be

536
00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,240
nice if the uh the the company, Columbus

537
00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:19,760
Water and Light, would know exactly what

538
00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,480
they're doing. You know, they we were

539
00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,839
completely blindsided by a bill 13

540
00:16:25,839 --> 00:16:28,520
months later from when we started that

541
00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,920
project. And uh you know, it's that's

542
00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,040
not how you do business. I mean I mean I

543
00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,240
love Columbus. I grew up there.

544
00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:37,710
>> Josh,

545
00:16:37,710 --> 00:16:37,720
» Josh,

546
00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,360
Josh, we're talking about the twin homes

547
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here.

548
00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,270
>> Yeah, I know that. I know that, but I'm

549
00:16:42,270 --> 00:16:42,280
» Yeah, I know that. I know that, but I'm

550
00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,839
just explaining. Like like like

551
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hopefully they have their stuff figured

552
00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,280
out because I'm very patient. A lot of

553
00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,040
these developers are not patient.

554
00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,270
>> You're talking about a previous

555
00:16:51,270 --> 00:16:51,280
» You're talking about a previous

556
00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,640
property, which is not on the agenda, so

557
00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,440
can't be discussed right now. We are

558
00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,000
purely talking about what's on the

559
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agenda.

560
00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,710
>> Yeah. Yeah, Josh, I'd appreciate if you

561
00:16:59,710 --> 00:16:59,720
» Yeah. Yeah, Josh, I'd appreciate if you

562
00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,440
brought that up with with staff cuz

563
00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,480
what we're doing is we're simply

564
00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:05,880
recommending to council to follow a

565
00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:07,160
staff

566
00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:07,600
comment.

567
00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,069
>> Yeah, that's fine.

568
00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:12,319
And I did send you guys all the

569
00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:14,439
condominium documents. I have not signed

570
00:17:14,439 --> 00:17:16,280
those cuz my attorney has not told me to

571
00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,800
sign them yet, but I do have them. Mike

572
00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,160
has them. So, if you guys would like to

573
00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,199
see those, I'm fine with him sharing

574
00:17:22,199 --> 00:17:26,230
those with you.

575
00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,360
» All right. Staff can contact you.

576
00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:30,800
So.

577
00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,880
I did have one last question, Mike.

578
00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,520
And that is um

579
00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,560
the

580
00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,320
is the fact that there are multiple

581
00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,400
buildings on this parcel part of

582
00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,280
basically what we're approving as

583
00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,080
as a condo plat. So, this serves the

584
00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,600
function of what would otherwise be a

585
00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:53,230
conditional use.

586
00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,080
» It is a condo plat, not a conditional

587
00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:56,440
use.

588
00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:57,190
>> I understand.

589
00:17:57,190 --> 00:17:57,200
» I understand.

590
00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,150
>> Yeah. Yeah. I Those are two very

591
00:17:59,150 --> 00:17:59,160
» Yeah. Yeah. I Those are two very

592
00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:00,920
different things.

593
00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,600
Um I would This is really it it it's

594
00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,880
it's similar to a site plan, but not

595
00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,920
exact. Um it's similar to a site plan.

596
00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:11,630
>> Okay.

597
00:18:11,630 --> 00:18:11,640
» Okay.

598
00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:12,190
>> plan

599
00:18:12,190 --> 00:18:12,200
» plan

600
00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,790
>> The fact that we're approving this is

601
00:18:15,790 --> 00:18:15,800
» The fact that we're approving this is

602
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,760
in and of itself approval of having

603
00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,400
multiple buildings on a parcel that

604
00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,400
would otherwise not be allowed to have

605
00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:36,430
multiple buildings.

606
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:37,920
» You can do multiple buildings in

607
00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,760
different ways. This is one way to do

608
00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:40,080
it.

609
00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,870
>> Okay. There. It's That's

610
00:18:41,870 --> 00:18:41,880
» Okay. There. It's That's

611
00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,950
>> I think we would have figured it out if

612
00:18:43,950 --> 00:18:43,960
» I think we would have figured it out if

613
00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,000
if there was something.

614
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,310
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm curious.

615
00:18:47,310 --> 00:18:47,320
» Yeah. Yeah. I'm curious.

616
00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:48,310
>> It's kind of sterile.

617
00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:48,320
» It's kind of sterile.

618
00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:48,950
>> So.

619
00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:48,960
» So.

620
00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,270
>> Yeah. It it it's it's it's just one way

621
00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:51,280
» Yeah. It it it's it's it's just one way

622
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,000
to doing it. I think if if if uh

623
00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,600
if the layout worked better and they

624
00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,840
wanted uh he wanted to have and we do

625
00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,920
have this in Columbus twin homes on

626
00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,880
their own individual lot.

627
00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:03,470
>> Right.

628
00:19:03,470 --> 00:19:03,480
» Right.

629
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,150
>> Um we have that in Columbus. Um so, that

630
00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:06,160
» Um we have that in Columbus. Um so, that

631
00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,120
would be another way to do that. So,

632
00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:10,240
there's more This is just

633
00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,960
one way of doing it and it's not

634
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,800
any

635
00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,120
it's not a bad way.

636
00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:17,470
>> No, it's not. I'm not saying it's good

637
00:19:17,470 --> 00:19:17,480
» No, it's not. I'm not saying it's good

638
00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:17,880
or bad.

639
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:18,670
>> It's just one

640
00:19:18,670 --> 00:19:18,680
» It's just one

641
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,190
>> You answered my question three sentences

642
00:19:20,190 --> 00:19:20,200
» You answered my question three sentences

643
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,320
ago, so we're good. All right.

644
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,680
All right, we have a motion a second.

645
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,800
Any other discussion? Everybody's hoping

646
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:27,080
that

647
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,030
>> I say one more thing? Can I Mike, this

648
00:19:29,030 --> 00:19:29,040
» I say one more thing? Can I Mike, this

649
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,840
is how you guys wanted this done. That

650
00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,920
That's why the the engineers and set it

651
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,720
up this way. You know, I I would have

652
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,720
rather had

653
00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,670
>> Josh, I'm not questioning or opposing

654
00:19:39,670 --> 00:19:39,680
» Josh, I'm not questioning or opposing

655
00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,920
this. I mean I'm just asking questions

656
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:42,550
>> I'm just talking about

657
00:19:42,550 --> 00:19:42,560
» I'm just talking about

658
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:43,870
>> Yeah, that's what we recommended for

659
00:19:43,870 --> 00:19:43,880
» Yeah, that's what we recommended for

660
00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,640
approval. I think you're good, Josh. So

661
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:46,440
we can move

662
00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,390
>> to explain. I wanted them zero lot line

663
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:48,400
» to explain. I wanted them zero lot line

664
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,920
duplexes and you guys didn't want them

665
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,000
that way. So this this was the way that

666
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,600
that I was told that we should do this

667
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,160
and so that's how we set it up.

668
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,950
>> Yeah, I'm just I'm asking questions

669
00:19:57,950 --> 00:19:57,960
» Yeah, I'm just I'm asking questions

670
00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,920
about a proposal in front of me and I'm

671
00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:01,640
not opposing.

672
00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,230
>> I'm not sure you guys got stuck with me.

673
00:20:03,230 --> 00:20:03,240
» I'm not sure you guys got stuck with me.

674
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:04,960
My My engineer was supposed to be there.

675
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,200
He had a family emergency, so he had to

676
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,560
drive to the Twin Cities. I don't

677
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:09,880
typically always deal with this stuff.

678
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,360
I'm more on the construction side of it

679
00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:13,640
once it's approved. So

680
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,230
>> No problem. We'd like to move on with

681
00:20:15,230 --> 00:20:15,240
» No problem. We'd like to move on with

682
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:16,080
our vote.

683
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:17,350
>> Perfect.

684
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:17,360
» Perfect.

685
00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:19,390
>> All those in favor signify by I.

686
00:20:19,390 --> 00:20:19,400
» All those in favor signify by I.

687
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:20,710
>> I.

688
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:20,720
» I.

689
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,030
>> Opposed?

690
00:20:23,030 --> 00:20:23,040
» Opposed?

691
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,400
Okay.

692
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:30,550
Pass it on to council, please.

693
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:35,030
All right, moving on to

694
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,120
Where is my agenda?

695
00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:40,720
Moving on to number five.

696
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,560
Consider and take action regarding a

697
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,000
land division in the town of Elba in

698
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,720
Dodge County

699
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,880
under City of Columbus extraterritorial

700
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,560
jurisdiction for the Phyllis Hammond

701
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,120
estate. Dodge County activity number

702
00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:55,649
as printed.

703
00:20:55,649 --> 00:20:56,430
>> [snorts]

704
00:20:56,430 --> 00:20:56,440
» [snorts]

705
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:57,830
>> All right.

706
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:57,840
» All right.

707
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,480
So this is outside the city of Columbus

708
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,160
in our extraterritorial area.

709
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,520
So state law state law

710
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,760
requires the city

711
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,400
to take action on lot splits within that

712
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,920
1 and 1/2 mile area of the city. Um

713
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,160
this is a property

714
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,600
east of city limits.

715
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,840
Um

716
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,600
there isn't a super good map, but it's

717
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,760
uh kind of

718
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,760
south of Rotary Park, south and east of

719
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,280
Rotary Park.

720
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,280
Um and the railroad tracks, there's a um

721
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,480
properties in there. Um

722
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,200
and so uh

723
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,560
if you approve this, it it moves on. If

724
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,480
you deny it, the split, my understanding

725
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,040
is the split is denied. But if you

726
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,600
approve it tonight and the

727
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,480
town doesn't approve it, then it can

728
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,360
also stop. So it doesn't get your

729
00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:01,200
approval does not guarantee approval

730
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,800
throughout the process. So um

731
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,680
uh these are large. There's a uh um

732
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,960
this is large parcels. We don't have any

733
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,760
policies

734
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,800
uh in our comprehensive plan or in our

735
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,920
ordinances that would that kind of

736
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,200
contradict uh

737
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,240
uh large splits and those kinds of

738
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,080
things. So um I don't see any problems

739
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:31,790
with the split.

740
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,920
» East of the city?

741
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,430
>> Uh think Rotary Park.

742
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:37,440
» Uh think Rotary Park.

743
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,440
Stay on that side of the river and kind

744
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,680
of go down along the river to the

745
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:41,920
railroad tracks.

746
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:42,630
>> And

747
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:42,640
» And

748
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,600
the north?

749
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,270
>> South of Rotary Park.

750
00:22:46,270 --> 00:22:46,280
» South of Rotary Park.

751
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,030
>> South of the

752
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:56,815
» Outside the city limits.

753
00:22:56,825 --> 00:23:06,910
» [snorts]

754
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:12,910
» Any questions? Any discussion?

755
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,600
I agree with you, Mike. This looks like

756
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:15,720
it's

757
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,400
getting carved off to include buildings

758
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,280
on the property and

759
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,160
it's almost a it's still a it's still a

760
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,920
33-acre piece.

761
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,750
>> Rotary Park?

762
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:25,760
» Rotary Park?

763
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,400
City property?

764
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,590
>> Yes.

765
00:23:28,590 --> 00:23:28,600
» Yes.

766
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,670
>> And you're saying to the south?

767
00:23:30,670 --> 00:23:30,680
» And you're saying to the south?

768
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,200
South and east. Southeast.

769
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,200
Cuz the

770
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,560
river kind of curves around, so it's

771
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,830
>> But really really to get there, Mike,

772
00:23:38,830 --> 00:23:38,840
» But really really to get there, Mike,

773
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,600
you'd go across the bridge on 60, go a

774
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,680
couple streets up and hang a left before

775
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:44,920
you got to

776
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,080
the grainery.

777
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,560
That's how you That's how you'd actually

778
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,150
get there by car.

779
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,120
» The grainery. Like a block past the dam.

780
00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:54,960
Is that

781
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:55,600
where this is?

782
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,150
>> Yeah, it'd be Yeah, it'd be on the

783
00:23:58,150 --> 00:23:58,160
» Yeah, it'd be Yeah, it'd be on the

784
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,600
opposite side of the dam.

785
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:00,030
>> Okay.

786
00:24:00,030 --> 00:24:00,040
» Okay.

787
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:00,870
>> Yeah.

788
00:24:00,870 --> 00:24:00,880
» Yeah.

789
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,510
>> That's here.

790
00:24:01,510 --> 00:24:01,520
» That's here.

791
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,936
>> Okay.

792
00:24:04,946 --> 00:24:20,710
» [snorts]

793
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,840
» Any other questions, Mike?

794
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:23,230
>> No.

795
00:24:23,230 --> 00:24:23,240
» No.

796
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:23,910
>> Okay.

797
00:24:23,910 --> 00:24:23,920
» Okay.

798
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,070
>> Okay.

799
00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:25,080
» Okay.

800
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,790
>> Um

801
00:24:26,790 --> 00:24:26,800
» Um

802
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,600
I'll entertain a motion.

803
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,390
>> I'd make a motion to approve the

804
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:32,400
» I'd make a motion to approve the

805
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:37,030
request.

806
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,720
» I second.

807
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,270
>> I have a motion and a second.

808
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,160
All those in favor signify by I.

809
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:46,430
>> I.

810
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:46,440
» I.

811
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:47,430
>> I.

812
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:47,440
» I.

813
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,870
>> Opposed?

814
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,590
Great.

815
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:55,520
And that's really a motion of

816
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,400
non-objection to the

817
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,800
county, to Dodge County, right?

818
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:00,830
>> It's an

819
00:25:00,830 --> 00:25:00,840
» It's an

820
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:01,880
It's an approval.

821
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:02,590
>> Okay.

822
00:25:02,590 --> 00:25:02,600
» Okay.

823
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,830
>> It's It's an approval.

824
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,560
We have the same thing on the item

825
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:09,960
number six, that it's a different

826
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,760
property.

827
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,470
>> Okay, so we'll move on to that item on

828
00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:13,480
» Okay, so we'll move on to that item on

829
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,150
the agenda.

830
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,800
Can you describe to us where this one

831
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:24,510
is, Mike?

832
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:25,600
» It is

833
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,510
>> out there.

834
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:36,190
» Yeah. Um

835
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,600
Nina Buck Road.

836
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,150
>> Yeah.

837
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,150
» So, it's out of ways.

838
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,560
So, you got parcel A, parcel B.

839
00:25:48,560 --> 00:26:03,950
Again, fairly large splits of land.

840
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,790
Again, uh there's

841
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,360
we don't have anything in our code or

842
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:11,440
this stuff

843
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,800
wouldn't seem to impede any kind of

844
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,520
growth of the city or anything like

845
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:16,880
that, so

846
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,080
So, these are outside the city limit and

847
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,640
we're just They just provided us a

848
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,200
letter of intent notification.

849
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,560
The city really doesn't have any say,

850
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:25,040
but they don't

851
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,230
>> City has say, yes.

852
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:26,240
» City has say, yes.

853
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,030
>> We have say.

854
00:26:27,030 --> 00:26:27,040
» We have say.

855
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:27,430
>> Yep.

856
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:27,440
» Yep.

857
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,150
>> Anything within what, a mile and a half?

858
00:26:29,150 --> 00:26:29,160
» Anything within what, a mile and a half?

859
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,830
>> Mile and a half is It's called the

860
00:26:30,830 --> 00:26:30,840
» Mile and a half is It's called the

861
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,600
extraterritorial zone.

862
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:33,310
>> Right.

863
00:26:33,310 --> 00:26:33,320
» Right.

864
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,030
>> And we have the ability to approve or

865
00:26:36,030 --> 00:26:36,040
» And we have the ability to approve or

866
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,560
deny this. If we approve it,

867
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:40,920
um

868
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,080
it still may not be approved pending the

869
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,360
town's approval.

870
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:48,960
So, this is There's multiple approvals

871
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,880
needed for the split.

872
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,880
Um and the city deals with it prior to

873
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,670
the town.

874
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:57,880
» So, they would be held accountable to

875
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,360
wetlands and all the normal

876
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:03,120
state

877
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:03,870
>> Yeah,

878
00:27:03,870 --> 00:27:03,880
» Yeah,

879
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,560
you know, town subdivision as well.

880
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:06,390
>> Yeah.

881
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:06,400
» Yeah.

882
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,040
Yeah, this isn't even in our comp plan

883
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,040
area.

884
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,440
We didn't do our current comp plan does

885
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,240
not do any kind of

886
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,680
doesn't have any policies addressing

887
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,280
growth areas outside the city.

888
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,790
>> So, that's part of the reason it's kind

889
00:27:22,790 --> 00:27:22,800
» So, that's part of the reason it's kind

890
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,240
of like what what would we hang our hat

891
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,040
on for denial?

892
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,430
We don't really have anything.

893
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,720
» Any further questions or discussion?

894
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,080
Okay.

895
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,160
I'll entertain a motion.

896
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,710
>> I'll move to approve subdivision

897
00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:39,720
» I'll move to approve subdivision

898
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,400
activity number 2026-0356

899
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,120
for David and Marie O'Crawley.

900
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:47,510
>> I will second.

901
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:47,520
» I will second.

902
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,830
>> I have a motion and a second. Any

903
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:48,840
» I have a motion and a second. Any

904
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,320
further discussion?

905
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,960
Hearing none, all those in favor signify

906
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:53,680
by I.

907
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,230
>> I.

908
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:54,240
» I.

909
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:54,750
>> I.

910
00:27:54,750 --> 00:27:54,760
» I.

911
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,230
>> Opposed?

912
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:57,240
» Opposed?

913
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:57,720
Great.

914
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:58,950
>> Please forward our approval to the

915
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:58,960
» Please forward our approval to the

916
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,630
county.

917
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,920
» All right. Last item of business is this

918
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:06,840
uh

919
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,760
consider and take action regarding the

920
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,000
housing survey in support of updating

921
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,470
the city's comprehensive plan.

922
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,080
» So, we put together the survey. We tried

923
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,000
to keep it as succinct as possible.

924
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,480
There's a couple things in there we're

925
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,160
kind of like, well, how do we do this?

926
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,560
It blends in a little bit in the land

927
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,200
use a little bit, but we tried to keep

928
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,080
it succinct. Um we do now have a

929
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,680
subscription to SurveyMonkey,

930
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,080
which allows us to

931
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,600
do survey and analysis and all that kind

932
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,280
of stuff uh

933
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,560
uh in a

934
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,480
in a efficient way. Um but we have uh a

935
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,520
number of questions here.

936
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,960
Try to break it out it identify who's

937
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,880
taking the survey, address housing

938
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,240
affordability,

939
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:03,590
housing types,

940
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,760
also city engagement in affordable

941
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,520
housing,

942
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,760
timing and growth rate cuz that's a big

943
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,120
part of

944
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,800
of kind of it's a little bit more land

945
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,160
use but

946
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,360
they do

947
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,840
they blend so much together it's kind of

948
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,000
hard to stay out of that

949
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,960
but it does give us a

950
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,840
some questions on

951
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,960
kind of how to approach things.

952
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,960
Talks about infill and outward expansion

953
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,640
a little bit

954
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,960
and then

955
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,320
the big debate always in surveys is do

956
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,760
you have an open-ended question? The

957
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,240
negative on that is

958
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,880
the comments are usually all over the

959
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,760
map and there's no way to summarize

960
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,560
those comments

961
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,070
unlike the 12 questions.

962
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,200
The the positive of having it it gives

963
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,640
someone the opportunity to address, have

964
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,760
a say, an open-ended say about something

965
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,280
that maybe wasn't addressed in the

966
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,840
survey.

967
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,240
But what yet you know what how do we

968
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,080
communicate that when we complete the

969
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,590
survey?

970
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,800
Staff could try to summarize it the best

971
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,880
we could we can include a list of every

972
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,960
single comment

973
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,880
but it's not going to be

974
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,000
easily necessarily depending on how many

975
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,600
people respond doesn't mean it's going

976
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,320
to be very digestible

977
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:35,870
but that's in the draft.

978
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,760
We will have hard copies available here

979
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,240
at City Hall. It'll be online. We'll

980
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,000
promote it through social media channels

981
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,230
and uh uh

982
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,520
we'll have the results for the September

983
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,080
Plan Commission meeting.

984
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,270
>> Um

985
00:30:53,270 --> 00:30:53,280
» Um

986
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,280
have you So, you said you were going to

987
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,360
have it online and are we going to send

988
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,360
this out via mail at all or no? It's

989
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,440
just going to be you're going to

990
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:03,840
advertise it, people are going to have

991
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,840
to go and

992
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,150
>> do it

993
00:31:06,150 --> 00:31:06,160
» do it

994
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,840
fairly similarly to the Park and Rec

995
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,600
outdoor recreation

996
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,150
>> which we had I think 350

997
00:31:14,150 --> 00:31:14,160
» which we had I think 350

998
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,480
responses.

999
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,910
>> Well, that's good.

1000
00:31:16,910 --> 00:31:16,920
» Well, that's good.

1001
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,230
>> Which is I think I did the calculations

1002
00:31:19,230 --> 00:31:19,240
» Which is I think I did the calculations

1003
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,800
on that. For Columbus, that's uh

1004
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,120
statistically appropriate sample.

1005
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,680
350 responses.

1006
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,080
Somewhere Whatever the number was, it

1007
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,470
was in that ballpark.

1008
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,560
Most of the responses came in the first

1009
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,400
10 days.

1010
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,000
Probably 90%

1011
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,670
>> Probably have kids, too, right?

1012
00:31:39,670 --> 00:31:39,680
» Probably have kids, too, right?

1013
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,950
>> 90% of the responses came back in the

1014
00:31:41,950 --> 00:31:41,960
» 90% of the responses came back in the

1015
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:42,920
first 10 days.

1016
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,750
>> And they people families with kids, I

1017
00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:44,760
» And they people families with kids, I

1018
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,640
assume, is the majority.

1019
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,190
>> I can't remember the results.

1020
00:31:48,190 --> 00:31:48,200
» I can't remember the results.

1021
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:48,910
>> Okay.

1022
00:31:48,910 --> 00:31:48,920
» Okay.

1023
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,950
>> I'd have to refer to that.

1024
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:50,960
» I'd have to refer to that.

1025
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,230
>> I know cuz I thought about it and then I

1026
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:52,240
» I know cuz I thought about it and then I

1027
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,280
forgot about it. But I don't have I

1028
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,640
don't have kids in the system anymore

1029
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,880
anyways, but

1030
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,230
>> Parks are for all ages.

1031
00:31:58,230 --> 00:31:58,240
» Parks are for all ages.

1032
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,630
>> No, I know. I I get it. I utilize it. I

1033
00:32:00,630 --> 00:32:00,640
» No, I know. I I get it. I utilize it. I

1034
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,240
go to the parks and stuff. I wish I

1035
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,480
would have remembered.

1036
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:05,150
>> So, what?

1037
00:32:05,150 --> 00:32:05,160
» So, what?

1038
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:05,590
>> All right.

1039
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:05,600
» All right.

1040
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,110
>> I'm

1041
00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:06,120
» I'm

1042
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:06,670
>> Yep, good.

1043
00:32:06,670 --> 00:32:06,680
» Yep, good.

1044
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,670
>> Just a comment on the wording of of one

1045
00:32:08,670 --> 00:32:08,680
» Just a comment on the wording of of one

1046
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,520
of the questions. In section two,

1047
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,840
question four, approximately what

1048
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:12,960
percentage of your gross monthly

1049
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,360
household income is spent on housing

1050
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,480
costs and rent or mortgage plus

1051
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,680
utilities.

1052
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,280
Um I wonder if you might want to include

1053
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,920
property taxes in those parentheses,

1054
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,200
too. Property taxes are more or less

1055
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,480
built into rent uh and in my experience,

1056
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,960
cost far more than utilities.

1057
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,550
>> Well, if I was answering it, I would

1058
00:32:31,550 --> 00:32:31,560
» Well, if I was answering it, I would

1059
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,360
include that.

1060
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,680
So, I don't know not.

1061
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:36,550
>> that question again?

1062
00:32:36,550 --> 00:32:36,560
» that question again?

1063
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,310
>> It's the very

1064
00:32:37,310 --> 00:32:37,320
» It's the very

1065
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,350
>> two, number four.

1066
00:32:38,350 --> 00:32:38,360
» two, number four.

1067
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,070
>> Yeah, it's the very first question in

1068
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:40,080
» Yeah, it's the very first question in

1069
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,640
section two.

1070
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,320
Right? Cuz taxes are part of part of

1071
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,720
housing.

1072
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,110
>> It's it's a hard one. Uh

1073
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:47,120
» It's it's a hard one. Uh

1074
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,960
there are

1075
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,920
different thoughts on the definition of

1076
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,720
how you determine affordable housing.

1077
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,040
Some include utilities, some do not. I

1078
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,680
have found

1079
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,720
contradicting statements on how that is

1080
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:00,360
done.

1081
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,430
>> I don't think we're questioning the

1082
00:33:01,430 --> 00:33:01,440
» I don't think we're questioning the

1083
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,080
utilities. We're talking about property

1084
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,360
tax.

1085
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,280
So

1086
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,320
Yeah, I would too.

1087
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,070
>> with you, Steve, cuz

1088
00:33:09,070 --> 00:33:09,080
» with you, Steve, cuz

1089
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,400
rent is usually got property tax built

1090
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,720
in. But mortgage doesn't. So

1091
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,630
>> so it's a right.

1092
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:14,640
» so it's a right.

1093
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,190
>> It's a equivalent.

1094
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,880
» Right. And if people um if their house

1095
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,240
is paid off and they still have property

1096
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,280
taxes and or utilities, they still have

1097
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:35,150
housing costs.

1098
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,870
» Other questions or comments?

1099
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,560
» I had a question about section three,

1100
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,600
number seven.

1101
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:44,800
There's a

1102
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,200
definition there under the bullet point

1103
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,600
missing middle housing.

1104
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:52,400
Is that a

1105
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,550
>> Hey hey let me

1106
00:33:53,550 --> 00:33:53,560
» Hey hey let me

1107
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:54,110
>> Oh, sure.

1108
00:33:54,110 --> 00:33:54,120
» Oh, sure.

1109
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,270
>> Catching up.

1110
00:33:55,270 --> 00:33:55,280
» Catching up.

1111
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,960
What is it again? What question?

1112
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:57,950
>> Uh number seven.

1113
00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:57,960
» Uh number seven.

1114
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:58,390
>> Okay.

1115
00:33:58,390 --> 00:33:58,400
» Okay.

1116
00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,870
>> You have single family detached homes

1117
00:33:59,870 --> 00:33:59,880
» You have single family detached homes

1118
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,400
and then something called missing middle

1119
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,120
housing. Is that

1120
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,760
editorializing that it's missing or is

1121
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,200
that actually part of the description of

1122
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,430
what those are?

1123
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,120
» I think it's up for debate if it's

1124
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,869
editorializing or a description.

1125
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:21,679
» Okay.

1126
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:22,710
>> I I think that's the

1127
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:22,720
» I I think that's the

1128
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:24,430
>> But a normal person I would I have no

1129
00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:24,440
» But a normal person I would I have no

1130
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,520
clue what that means. What is a missing

1131
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:27,360
missing middle housing?

1132
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,190
>> Yeah, it is more of a a profession

1133
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:29,200
» Yeah, it is more of a a profession

1134
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,520
thing. It The middle is is addressing is

1135
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,919
meaning is that a lot of housing that's

1136
00:34:36,919 --> 00:34:41,040
being built is either subsidized

1137
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,679
through grants based on income at the

1138
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,040
low end or the people who have a lot of

1139
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,600
money

1140
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,159
um where the developers make more money

1141
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,159
on their projects.

1142
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,760
And then the miss the middle type stuff

1143
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,160
like duplexes, twin homes, triplexes,

1144
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,880
fourplexes, those types of things

1145
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,680
kind of generally a lot of times don't

1146
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,800
get built because there's incentives at

1147
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,320
the opposite ends to build them.

1148
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,870
>> Can we remove the word missing?

1149
00:35:09,870 --> 00:35:09,880
» Can we remove the word missing?

1150
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,990
>> That's what I'm

1151
00:35:10,990 --> 00:35:11,000
» That's what I'm

1152
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:11,360
I

1153
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:11,790
>> We can.

1154
00:35:11,790 --> 00:35:11,800
» We can.

1155
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:12,870
>> I don't want somebody to be It really

1156
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:12,880
» I don't want somebody to be It really

1157
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,800
confuses me.

1158
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,470
>> misled when they're trying to answer a

1159
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:16,480
» misled when they're trying to answer a

1160
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,440
question. What should we have? Oh, well,

1161
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,920
this is missing so we should have it,

1162
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:20,240
you know.

1163
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,590
>> Plus we have duplexes and twin homes

1164
00:35:22,590 --> 00:35:22,600
» Plus we have duplexes and twin homes

1165
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,200
currently on the

1166
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,630
>> Mike following everybody around to

1167
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:24,640
» Mike following everybody around to

1168
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,499
explain it and

1169
00:35:25,499 --> 00:35:27,150
>> [laughter]

1170
00:35:27,150 --> 00:35:27,160
» [laughter]

1171
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,270
>> We have those of some of those available

1172
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:29,280
» We have those of some of those available

1173
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,640
in this community.

1174
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,320
Um

1175
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,520
But you do are saying townhomes and row

1176
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,080
houses

1177
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,400
are actually

1178
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,270
>> of

1179
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:39,280
» of

1180
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,760
of this

1181
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,600
is of this question is what housing

1182
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,480
types and land use mix do you want to

1183
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,040
see? That's the purpose of these

1184
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,400
questions.

1185
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,110
>> So your comment on the missing middle is

1186
00:35:50,110 --> 00:35:50,120
» So your comment on the missing middle is

1187
00:35:50,120 --> 00:36:00,590
appropriate.

1188
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:07,110
» Others?

1189
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,960
If not, I'll entertain a motion.

1190
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,990
>> Move to approve the housing survey.

1191
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,960
» Second.

1192
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,320
I have a motion and a second. Any other

1193
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,480
discussion?

1194
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,870
>> Is that with removing

1195
00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:21,880
» Is that with removing

1196
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,160
the missing?

1197
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,150
>> Yeah, I can amend my motion to approve

1198
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:26,160
» Yeah, I can amend my motion to approve

1199
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,520
the housing survey with removing the

1200
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,040
word missing from missing middle

1201
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,840
housing.

1202
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,710
>> Do you want to consider Steve's comment

1203
00:36:33,710 --> 00:36:33,720
» Do you want to consider Steve's comment

1204
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:36,400
about the

1205
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,680
tax part of the mortgage also?

1206
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,550
>> And include taxes in the mortgage

1207
00:36:41,550 --> 00:36:41,560
» And include taxes in the mortgage

1208
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,190
clarification.

1209
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,600
» We have a motion.

1210
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,360
Do we have a second? Okay.

1211
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,160
Motion and second. All those in favor

1212
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,400
signify by I.

1213
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,390
>> I. I.

1214
00:36:53,390 --> 00:36:53,400
» I. I.

1215
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,710
>> Opposed?

1216
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:58,040
Great.

1217
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,400
Passes.

1218
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,950
Last one, any future agenda items?

1219
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,920
» Um next meeting we'll have survey

1220
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,080
results

1221
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:13,520
draft a draft of the housing chapter.

1222
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,280
And draft

1223
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,080
uh housing goals

1224
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,360
objectives and policies. So, what what

1225
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,600
I'm we're going to try to do is

1226
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,240
have um

1227
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,800
a draft set of goals and objectives for

1228
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,000
you to review.

1229
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,520
Um and then also um

1230
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,920
um so

1231
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,360
that's going to be held it's going to be

1232
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,640
well we'll have a lot to talk about.

1233
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,960
We'll have a zoning rewrite as well.

1234
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,560
We're we're going to try to staff is

1235
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,520
going to try to write the best goals,

1236
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,600
objectives, and policies we can to get

1237
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,800
you as close as you can.

1238
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,040
Um

1239
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,880
um so

1240
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,760
you know, reviewing those in advance of

1241
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,600
the meeting will be helpful to kind of

1242
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,520
move them get the get you there quicker

1243
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,040
during the meeting.

1244
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,480
Um if you take a look at

1245
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,960
I included kind of a process

1246
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,270
in the on the previous agenda item.

1247
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,040
We will need comments. Uh we will need

1248
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,720
to get some fairly good responses from

1249
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:20,480
you on what we submit to you

1250
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,840
so that we can have a public hearing

1251
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,200
on October 8th

1252
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,960
and take it to the council on

1253
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,000
the 20th

1254
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,880
because we can't we can't take have the

1255
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,560
public hearing

1256
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,280
at the November plan commission cuz it's

1257
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,670
too too late.

1258
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,040
And I doubt you want to have a second

1259
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,886
October plan commission meeting.

1260
00:38:47,896 --> 00:38:49,760
» [snorts]

1261
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,590
>> Not unless there's chips.

1262
00:38:52,590 --> 00:38:52,600
» Not unless there's chips.

1263
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,401
And guacamole.

1264
00:38:56,411 --> 00:38:57,480
» [laughter]

1265
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,670
>> Homemade.

1266
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:58,680
» Homemade.

1267
00:38:58,680 --> 00:38:59,790
>> All right.

1268
00:38:59,790 --> 00:38:59,800
» All right.

1269
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,710
>> So and then that will have Sonia

1270
00:39:01,710 --> 00:39:01,720
» So and then that will have Sonia

1271
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:04,120
rewrite. One of the things I did just

1272
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,800
receive a draft chapter of all the

1273
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,240
performance standards.

1274
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,000
I will email that out to you in the next

1275
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,400
day or so

1276
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,400
so you have a head start on reviewing it

1277
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,040
cuz I know that's what you want to do in

1278
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,720
your free time.

1279
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,040
Um

1280
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,440
but it is

1281
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,560
a chunk of stuff. So

1282
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,840
but at the next meeting Sonia will have

1283
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,600
her summary PowerPoint as well that she

1284
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,440
she does such a great job at and um

1285
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,680
so we'll be on pace for adopting

1286
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,720
adopting this in December.

1287
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,070
>> Sweet.

1288
00:39:40,070 --> 00:39:40,080
» Sweet.

1289
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:45,230
>> When is the public hearing for that?

1290
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:47,080
» Likely

1291
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,040
November, I believe.

1292
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,520
I don't think we want to go any later

1293
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,080
than that.

1294
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,240
That'll get us set up for approval in

1295
00:39:55,240 --> 00:40:03,990
December. [snorts]

1296
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,400
» Any other future

1297
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:12,230
crystal ball type things?

1298
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:14,520
» At some point here we'll probably bring

1299
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,800
through the plan commission

1300
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,880
a revision of

1301
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,840
I think it's chapter 86, public

1302
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,080
rights-of-way and stuff like that.

1303
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,440
Um

1304
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,680
that section, it's not in the zoning

1305
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,480
code, it's in their municipal code,

1306
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,000
but we would probably bring that through

1307
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,520
here

1308
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,760
um for review and recommendation to

1309
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,360
council.

1310
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,950
It addresses stuff like

1311
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,960
if you think especially like stuff in

1312
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,320
downtown,

1313
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,120
can you have benches in the right-of-way

1314
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,920
and on the sidewalk and how do we do

1315
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,080
that?

1316
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,360
Um there's some really outdated code and

1317
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,080
language in there.

1318
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,880
So, I have a an initial draft on that

1319
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,640
and I'm going to revise it one more time

1320
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,320
and then get it to

1321
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:00,960
uh

1322
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,800
the public works and utilities

1323
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,200
department.

1324
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,600
Um so, we'll probably bringing that

1325
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,680
through at some point, probably not the

1326
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,280
September meeting cuz that's busy

1327
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,030
enough.

1328
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,160
That will not require public hearing

1329
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,880
because it's not part of the zoning

1330
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,000
code, but it functions

1331
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,000
in many ways like it.

1332
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,350
>> Okay.

1333
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,320
All right.

1334
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,910
>> I'll entertain a motion to adjourn.

1335
00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:28,920
» I'll entertain a motion to adjourn.

1336
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,950
>> Move to adjourn.

1337
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,600
» Nobody wants to

1338
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,110
>> Second.

1339
00:41:33,110 --> 00:41:33,120
» Second.

1340
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:33,350
>> Second.

1341
00:41:33,350 --> 00:41:33,360
» Second.

1342
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,750
>> I'll do it. I never do [laughter] that.

1343
00:41:34,750 --> 00:41:34,760
» I'll do it. I never do [laughter] that.

1344
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,310
>> Great. Have a motion and a second.

1345
00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:37,320
» Great. Have a motion and a second.

1346
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,920
All those in favor signify by eye.

1347
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:39,350
>> Eye.

1348
00:41:39,350 --> 00:41:39,360
» Eye.

1349
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:39,710
>> Eye.

1350
00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:39,720
» Eye.

1351
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:41,030
>> Opposed?

1352
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:41,040
» Opposed?

1353
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,680
We're adjourned.