Okay, 7:00 we're going to go ahead and
call this meeting to order.
Start the Pledge of Allegiance.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America, and to the
republic
for which it stands, one nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
Okay, can we have a roll call, please?
>> [cough]
>> Okay.
Yes.
>> [clears throat]
>> Patricia? Here. Eric? Here. Zeke? Here.
Courtney? Here.
Dustin? Here.
Okay, before we get started, um
as you can see, Mayor Geiger Mayor
Geiger is out sick today. Um she didn't
have much of a voice when I spoke with
her earlier, so I will be speaking for
her instead.
Uh first thing I want to do, I want to
call to amend the agenda. Uh
under
two things I want to change is under
business items 10, add in add
letter E,
a presentation from DR Horton for Scioto
Crossing.
And the second portion would be to move
item 15, executive session, up to just
after that presentation, above
legislation.
All in favor?
Aye. Aye. Aye.
Any opposed? Any opposed?
Okay, next on the agenda, we're going to
go through our meeting minutes. Um
approval of the March 12th, 2026
public hearing meeting
public hearing minutes, IDI variance. So
moved.
Second. Second.
All those
Okay, all in favor? Aye.
All opposed?
>> [clears throat]
» Next, approval of the March 2nd, 2026
public hearing meeting minutes, rezoning Scioto
Estates.
I need a motion. Motion.
Second. Second.
Jay?
All those in favor? Aye. Aye.
All those opposed?
Okay.
Next one, approval of the March 2nd,
2026 council meeting minutes. Um
All those are Sorry, I need a motion. So
moved. Motion. Thank you. Do I get Do I
get Jay? Do I get a second? Second.
Courtney?
All those in favor? Aye. [clears throat]
Aye.
All those opposed?
Okay.
Approval of the March 16th, 2026
committee of the whole meeting minutes.
Motion.
from Jay. Second.
Patricia?
All those in favor? Aye. Aye.
All those opposed?
Okay.
Approval of the March 23rd, 2026 special
meeting minutes. I have a motion. Motion
from Jay. Second. Second from Zeke.
>> [snorts]
>> All those in favor? Aye. Aye.
Opposed?
Okay. I think we should make a motion to
not have to have more than three of
those per month.
» [laughter]
» Okay, next one, uh administrative
reports. Um
the mayor's absence, uh Wendy's going to
speak on the mayor's behalf on this one,
please. So, what Mayor Geiger wanted me
to let council know is the
administration team and Councilman
Weaver met with the development team for
the Lane property. They have asked to
come in front [clears throat] of council
to present their plan at council's
earliest convenience. Since we had a
full agenda for tonight's meeting, she
suggested that they come to the April
Committee of the Whole meeting.
During our meeting, they explained the
way the MRIs, CT scans, and other
imaging documents would be stored.
They would use AI and store the
information into what they are calling a
library of information.
They want to use alternative power for
these libraries in the form of solar. If
council is interested in meeting with
the team and hearing what they are
proposing,
she will reach out to them when she
returns to the office.
So, you don't have to make a decision
right now. It is down there as a
business item, but you can just let me
know whether you're interested in
hearing that or not, so that we can move
forward.
Okay. Thank you.
>> [clears throat]
>> Village solicitor's report. Uh just one
item. Uh thanks to Jim
for uh staying on top of the zoning
violation we had. Uh we believe it's
all been cured by Mr. Iseo, and uh
secondly,
action against him should be dismissed
once he cleans up the job site. And
all's in order, and big thank you to
Jim. He's been the driving force behind
it.
>> [snorts]
» Uh police chief's report. I don't see
the chief here, anybody sitting in for
him? Okay.
Uh village administrator's report.
>> [clears throat]
» Good [snorts] evening, all. Good
evening.
Okay. Um
I had to take notes. I got a lot. We
were busy last week, okay?
Um street department, um we are have
concluded our interviews for a full-time
person.
And we're going hopefully get them
anticipated start in April sometime.
Um
we're already in the mowing season.
Zeke mowed.
He's been mowing every day.
Um generally takes about 30 hours, so
new person coming in will hopefully
alleviate some of those mowing.
Um
we do have a one crack seal quote for
phase one of Walker Point. Um it's been
a long, long time since we've done
anything as far as crack sealing
subdivision,
but we're into that now because there's
a lot of them that are needing it, so
we're going to get another quote just to
make everything
uh
equal, and we'll we'll review those.
Um as far as storm water,
um
Susan's group is working on the
engineering for Chestnut Estates,
uh the issue up there.
Um we did have an issue at Scioto
Crossing,
um
where some homeowner homeowners um
had some issues on their backyards.
Uh we've been in contact with the
developer, and hopefully they're working
through it toward a resolution.
Um in two that, we are also amending our
subdivision regulations to improve
the language in there to where we can
hopefully eliminate those issues in the
future.
Um
we do have a storm drop at Genoa
Crossing that needs to be replaced. This
is a rather large bolt,
uh so it's going to have to
[clears throat] be built in place, so
we'll see what the pricing comes in at
that.
>> Is that where? Genoa Crossing. I thought
those were private roads.
They're private roads, they're public
storm water. Okay, I stand corrected.
And these So, I did not know that
either.
>> [laughter]
>> So, yeah, it's ours to take care of.
I guess that's good for all of us to
know moving forward when they say
private roads, yeah, we might not have
to take care of them, but we also We
Yes.
Well, thanks, Zeke. That was a learning
experience. So, yeah, we had it's a
rather large piece, and then
unfortunately, it's right in the middle
of the road.
So,
we'll have to address that when the time
comes. Um we've also had a couple
another issues with some storm drop
frames along catch basins that were
busted, and we're we're finding those,
and we're having to replace those
[clears throat] as we get to them.
Um that's about it for streets and storm
water. Uh water and waste water, we're
beginning to work on the well field
modification on the east side.
Um we've been starting to press
biosolids at the wastewater plant.
Um
we've had so much with this new process
and the new plant that we think there's
a possibility we'll have to press three
[snorts] times, which will be incur more
money, but we'll see how the summer
goes, okay?
Um Can you explain that just briefly?
Yes.
I mean, does that mean to bring it up?
>> So, so when's We'll start at the
beginning, I'm just real briefly. So,
when when waste water comes in, it has
solids in it.
Um there is a large
mass of bacteria, bugs, whatever
microscopic, they eat everything.
And when they eat, they reproduce, and
then they die, and we have to get rid of
those on a continuous basis, and that's
where
the the waste water sludge comes in, and
then it gets pressed into a
composting material.
We have to get rid of that. So, you
either land apply it, you put it in a
landfill,
or you can compost it like they do up at
Compton.
We don't have enough farmers that can
use that stuff. That's what we
>> That's what we do now. We put it on farm
fields.
So,
um but it costs money to get rid of
that.
Um
New water New water reclamation plants
did great this winter. Uh we were
a little antsy about how things were
going to work over the wintertime with
new treatment processes, but they did
fine. So, and we had a pretty harsh
winter, so we're doing pretty good with
that.
Um
we did have one issue at Walker Road
Lift Station.
Um
that that water Excuse me, that waste
water lift station was sized
for Old Town,
phase one of
Walker Point,
and a couple other small subdivisions.
We've now added significant
load to that.
It has overflowed a couple times in
March,
and we're right now working with Susan's
group to engineer
and increase capacity of that.
So, that
>> [clears throat]
>> Remind me, is that the lift station that
the couple of people that have tried to
come in are willing to That's correct.
From all down. That's correct. Okay, and
there is nothing from there I mean, it's
just undersized from that point out?
>> It is undersized at the lift station
itself, and it's undersized from the
force main from that lift station all
the way to the wastewater plant.
So, that's multi-million dollar upgrade.
Don't know yet. We're still We're just
starting that process.
>> It's probably going to be more than 500
bucks. Oh, yeah.
Guarantee that.
>> I gave me a ballpark figure. More than
500. There you go. Thank you.
So, yeah, that's that's in the process
now and just beginning.
Um
We also had an issue in the industrial
park with a where the storm or the
sanitary sewers, it was a gravity sewer
that failed on us. Um and I found out
that that part of the sewer system had
an extended warranty with it
from the
contractor that put it in.
[cough and clears throat]
Uh so, we're working with them to
fix that for us.
>> Look at you saving us money. One man. I
didn't know about that warranty issue.
That was a group effort on that, so.
But, we're working on that to get that
done. As far as meetings, um
Wendy had already mentioned the one
meeting we had. Um we've also had a
meeting with the highway EPA in March
about our source water protection plan,
which basically says
we're going to make sure that we can
control what happens in our in our
wellhead protection area.
As far as growth, development, what
impacts
we can allow in there.
>> is that? Huh? How It just depends. So,
there's a 1-year time of travel and
there's a 5-year time of travel. And
obviously, the 1-year time of travel uh
is short is smaller. But, and it won't
really encroach up into any developed
areas on the east side. I'm sorry, cuz
it's all flood plain anyway.
>> Yeah, but still we have to control what
happens in there.
Um
I think that's about it.
So, any
questions on anything?
Dave, I would
just [clears throat] like to take a
second uh
I was hard on you, but thank you for
taking what we had suggested and giving
us a report that now I can answer
questions if anybody asks with not
complete ignorance. So, I would just
thank you for taking that feedback
>> I appreciate that.
Don't want I just don't want to take up
the whole meeting. I mean, I can talk
for
>> [laughter]
>> a couple of days.
>> That was the sweet spot right there.
Okay. You said it's based on it. I'll
work on that. Thank you, folks. I'll be
over here.
Hey, I'm Village Engineer Sport. I don't
know how you follow that, Susan.
Good afternoon. So, in addition to what
[laughter]
Dave had, uh a couple more items. So,
the MI Foxfire subdivision, we are
reviewing the phase five plans. Uh we've
provided some comments, so engineers
working on those. So, we'll wait for
that resubmittal. Is that the last one?
that we're aware of, yes. For
now.
>> [laughter]
» And then, the last item I had,
Belshazzar Street uh in the roadway
improvements, stormwater improvements.
So, we're wrapping up the plans and
getting the package ready to go out to
bid. So, that should be happening here
this year. Uh we'll see those
improvements. That's all I had in
addition to what Dave said. So, any
questions?
>> The Belshazzar project, is that going to
deal with this
hole that's running under bowling alley
that comes out that way?
It was brought up before uh with
Dave's person before him,
and I've had a couple of people mention
it again. So, I just didn't know because
that's, you know, we're doing all the
way down. I didn't know if that goes off
or is Dave, is that something we can
look into again? You may not even know
about it, but
>> There's like a hole behind
between where Ross lives and like that
daycare. Yeah. And
I told something down in there and it
you never heard it stop. Like how big of
a hole? I mean, it's Oh, okay. You know,
bocce ball or bigger, maybe.
Um
And then, there's another one starting
uh just like it on Front Street coming
back into town Mhm.
just maybe 200 ft
past the the village sign there. I think
it's right before the bridge. But, the
only reason I noticed that one is I hit
it on my wheelchair and yeeted out of
it.
So, I I kind of found that one for us,
but
and I it was literally 2 days ago, but
so, it's the first time, but yeah, I
just didn't know cuz if there's a
problem on bowling alley, wouldn't that
feed into Belshazzar or vice versa
somehow? It just depends on what what's
creating the hole, what what the cause
is. Um we actually have just an internal
staff meeting Wednesday, so let me I
believe I've heard that discussed with
Mike. I feel like Mike's probably been
out there and Yeah, he he went out and
looked at it originally.
Let Let me talk with uh
Mike and Nita and John Wilson and see if
they know what that is, what's causing
it, and then we can follow up. Yeah,
that's all right. It'd be great. I do I
mean, if we can tie it together in one
whack, maybe we can get it taken care of
a little bit cheaper than doing a
separate project.
>> Right.
Thank you.
Anything else?
Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Appreciate
it.
Is there any administrator report? Yeah,
just a few things.
Um
the 233 3 Victorian news
finally completed. I'm almost certain.
So, I'm pretty happy about that.
Uh this is grass and weed season, so
here we go again.
And uh
already some problems out there, and so
we'll be taking care of those through
our licening.
The fountains, we've contacted some of
the HRAs and I had to make sure the
fountains are up and running and that
there is no bubble ups. We have some
bubble ups there that have to be
replaced with the fountains.
Uh
the
I was contacted by the schools uh
maintenance guy and um
a bunch of trees are in the back in the
fence line of Carmel Court.
And I couldn't figure out who wanted to
get all those trees trimmed, and finally
got to it, and it was the electric
company
hired an individual to come in there,
but he didn't clean it up.
So,
now we're in the process of contacting
the
electric company to get ahold of the
vendor who he worked with, okay, and
then we can go from there.
Uh
and that's really all I have. Do you
have any questions for me?
Going with the fountains, so last year
was the first year that
there was something in place. What's
going to be the process when somebody
has one not running? I mean, is there
going to be We're We're contacting
people right away. Yeah. So, if people
ask us The HRA takes care of that. If
there is no HRA, then
we can go with like whoever is in
charge.
So, yeah, we keep an eye out on the
people.
What it does need, fountains and not the
bubble ups.
Okay.
Anything else?
Thank you.
Fiscal officer's report?
Um just like I mentioned in Mayor
Geiger's report, I attended the Lane
property meeting. Quite interesting.
Um I emailed out to the new council
members the fraud reporting class. I
received everybody's but Zita's.
Courtney, so yes, that was done.
8-minute video, very quick. I just need
to have those for my reporting.
Um on April 1st, I received a major site
plan along with all of the fees paid
over for the Jan property.
The application has been reviewed for
completeness by the zoning department
and will be distributed to council via
your mailboxes here at the office by the
end of the week. Um I would ask that
this item be added to the COW agenda.
Um I received notification from the
auditors today that my audit will start
probably in the next couple of weeks. Um
so, you'll probably be getting emails
from the auditor's office just asking if
you know of any fraud or anything like
that. They're routine emails. They have
to send them out. So, um just be
watching for those.
» [clears throat]
>> On the legislative reports, Courtney?
None.
Uh [clears throat]
so,
as Wendy mentioned,
uh
you know, I think we need to bring
attention to the fact that
they uh they submitted eight developers
submitted major site plans for um
for data center. I think, you know, I I
just think that everybody
should hear that. Um
Today, we have three emergency items on
our agenda.
Three pieces of legislation that are
aimed at combating the incursion of data
centers,
industrial scale development that
doesn't agree with the character or the
identity of our village or our
community.
This is the first step, and it's a step
that may well result in litigation.
I believe that this is what our
community throughout Pickaway County and
rural Ohio at large has voted for, put
us here.
We have, you know, constitutional
amendments coming forward.
Um
I don't know, sitting here today,
and I can't tell you what the outcome of
the vote
what the outcome is going to be for the
village.
Um
but I I believe that it it will be a
fight.
I don't want to blame current or
previous leadership.
I think that we got here chasing money,
chasing growth, driven by fear of
neighboring cities and a systemic lack
of accountability.
There may well be unavoidable
consequences for those actions.
The developer who's here today, uh who
threatened us with litigation last
month,
um as I mentioned at the beginning,
submitted those site plans in spite of
what I felt like and made very clear to
him that we didn't want him.
Uh their intentions are unclear, but
this submission underscores the urgency
that at least I feel, but I believe our
community feels, and the need for our
action today.
>> [clears throat]
>> What is What is the soul of our village?
What is it worth to us?
Things are changing, and they're
changing very quickly. I think it's
clear to everyone.
So, what we need to know is if not this,
then what is it that we do want to drive
past on our way home and when we look
out our back doors?
The farm fields that characterize so
much of the landscape and character that
we have here,
I feel that they'll be gone before too
long.
So, what is the identity of our village?
Who do we want to be, and what business
do we want here?
As we As we set forth into this fight, I
think we need to ask ourselves
what we want this place to be in 5, 10,
15 years, and what we're willing to do,
say, and most importantly, pay to make
that happen.
>> [clears throat]
>> Speaking for myself, this is the first
place that I've ever lived where you can
leave your doors unlocked at night,
where my kids can run through the
neighborhood without fear, without
concern,
where the community still means
something.
To me, that's worth protecting.
This place is a piece of bottled up
Americana that, to be honest with you, I really thought only existed in movies
before I moved here.
I don't believe that truck stops or data
centers reflect that identity.
But this decision isn't mine alone, and
to the public, I would ask you, please
engage with us.
To my colleagues, I would encourage you,
please stay the course that we are
starting on today with courage and
fortitude.
Let us move forward into the future with
respect for our past, hopes for our
future,
and the strength of our community at our
back. We're all neighbors, and it's
beyond past time that we put petty
squabbles and personal animus behind us
to forge a new future for ourselves as a
community.
That's all I have.
Thank you, Zeke.
» [applause]
>> Thank you.
Patricia. I don't have anything.
I don't know if I can follow that up. I
don't know if I can.
>> [laughter]
>> Eric.
Yeah.
>> [clears throat]
>> Um
I'm going to put that up on the TV just
because I've had such a hard time
understanding this to myself that just
let me just see it while I try to talk
about it. You think Zeke and I talk
outside of council,
but I had no clue I was going to follow
that, so
just from
and this is kind of talking to my
colleagues up here.
You know, when you first get elected,
you're excited, you believe you can make
a difference, and then it really hit,
and you feel like you're drowning. You
start to see how things work, or maybe
more accurately, how things don't work.
And
for a while,
you regret it every day.
But then, as you do it, you start to
understand see where things break down,
think you can make a change,
and by that time, new people's coming in
that feel the same way you did 2 years
ago.
So, you got to move up, and you got to
let them drown, or try to not let them
drown,
and it's it's a cycle. And
unfortunately, I feel like Commercial
Point has fallen into a cycle
of repetitiveness, and tonight could be
the the night that that repetitiveness
is broken.
And so, I just wanted to
with talking with my colleagues
individually about their ideas and the
past mayors and council members that
actually came up with our ordinances,
uh it's obvious that things are getting
changed without anybody knowing.
And you know, I got to say, hats off to
Tays Valley Against Overgrowth that
they've opened people's eyes that it's
broken.
Whether we agree with it or not, it's
gotten people out and about,
but
just doing things by rules
like has been done for 50 years, 60
years here,
we can't do that anymore because it
doesn't work. And it's not just here. We
learned that with the township recently.
We've always just said, "Yeah, we'll do
ours, you do yours. Peace. All right.
Bring it in." Doesn't work anymore, so
that process has changed.
So, this is the first step in what we've
been doing. We got the council rules.
Now, I feel we're at the second step
because we know the first step, it
didn't work. Or we all wouldn't be here
eating pissed, except for
our favorite presenters down here that
they're just like, "Oh, great. Another
eating meeting that we have to present
place to." Phenomenal.
Um [clears throat] so, we're going to
have to start legislating that. And that
is going to start tonight.
We have somebody wants to start a
planning commission.
We want to have transparency. We want to
have those automatic triggers
that nobody can throw away in an
organizational meeting
the first meeting of January every year.
Do you know how many things have been
changed
in the last 5 years that nobody knows
was even around?
I'll tell you what, start looking at the
old council rules.
It's scary how many things have been
changed. They can't do that with
legislation. But what I don't want
anybody to do is get that confused with
a charter because that's been used here.
We are not changing our type of
government, how it operates, or
anything.
Uh somebody that I look up to in the
legal world
said, "So, it's just like guardrails."
I'm like, "Right."
You know what? We had to make a change
coming into town, 35 all the way in.
Why? Because people was crashing into
houses.
What worked it? So, what was we going to
do? Put guardrails. But we're going to
try the speed thing first.
If it works, we don't need guardrails.
If so, we need guardrails. Well, if we
do that for our roadways, why wouldn't
we do that for where y'all's money goes?
I just don't I don't get it. So, you're
going to see real quick, our next
council meeting is probably going to
have seven or eight pieces of
legislation, and it all works to this.
It is going to make it so there is a
process for a property. There is a
process for
everything, and those processes trigger
automatic notification.
This is not about administration not
doing it right. They are operating under
the very broken system that they've been
handed,
and doing what has always been done.
And if I have heard one thing from
everybody, it's
the way it's always been done ain't the
way it's going to be done going to the
future.
And in my opinion and the individual
council members that I've talked to,
this is where we think it needs to go,
and I don't think we can do it as a
package,
but it just needs to happen. So, that we
don't end up here. Listen, we've priced
our farmers out of their business. We priced them
out. Why? Because everybody wants to be
here.
We've priced them out. Well, we got to
make sure that we don't price ourselves
out
so that our homes are no longer
affordable for us.
Thank Thank you. I appreciate that.
Well, um we'll move on to my uh
legislative time.
>> Oh, no, it's you. Sorry. I'm sorry.
>> [laughter]
>> Thank you for trying to keep me
straight. I appreciate that.
I'm sorry. Unintentionally dovetailing
on what you're saying there, um a couple
things. One, yes, the planning
commission legislation uh one that that
I feel strongly about, yes, will be
brought up in the COW for us to take
action on and have discussion on to make
sure that we do get that right, and to
make sure that we do have another layer
of
uh of our citizens
watching our zoning, watching where
we're going, their future, helping with
our uh zoning, our comprehensive plan.
Absolutely. So, we will have that. Uh
the one thing that I do want to come up,
and I'm going to bring for [snorts] a
vote today, is something that I noticed
when I sat on the other side there,
um as late as last year, was that in our
rules, in our council rules, we did not
have a
guardrails, if you will, but standards
in which we conduct ourselves uh during
our meetings with respect and decorum
and and how we actually go through um
interacting with the public. So, I I'm
going to make a motion on, and I did
submit these to you and I actually made
sure that we add section 10
to our
council rules. So,
I'm going to make a motion
to add these to our council rules. If I
could have a second. Second.
Discussion.
Um
I don't see anything in this could be
nitpicking, but I don't see anything of
definitions
to even give a
I mean, what's professional to a well
digger is going to be different than
professional to a banker.
I don't know that this is I know it's a
rule and not an ordinance, but
doesn't that leave a lot open to
interpretation?
>> It It does and I believe it and that's
why in there it gives
the presiding officer that latitude.
Isn't that already under Robert's Rules,
Bill?
Robert's Rules calls for decorum. I
don't know that it addresses everything
in there.
Do you feel we're okay with it the way
it is or do we should we add some sort
of a definition of
I just saw this. Yeah. I'm not prepared
to Okay. speak on it. That would be my
only thing. You would have to look at
Robert's Rules. Yeah, that would be my
only thing and Dustin not to blindside
you, but I didn't think of this until
well, you know, about 14 seconds ago.
Um that would be my concern is if we do
this and it contradicts Robert's Rules.
are tested procedurally
and by the courts.
I don't know if this would put us in a
in an I'm getting a no, so I guess I'm
>> Robert's Rules would come second to
anything that's in your council rules.
Okay. If there was a hole in your
council rules.
Okay. So,
we would just have to make sure that
future mayors and presidents of council
know what's Robert's Rules or what's
council rules.
Okay.
I'm not mad at it.
My uh
my concerns with this I I I I like the
thought of it.
Um
the one piece that I
kind of take in
some concern with is 10.04,
the dress code. Um
I'm just concerned about the uh the
effects that might have on members'
first amendment rights. So,
um
That's That's my concern with this.
Everything else
I'm with it.
So, You're speaking specifically to the
dress code.
>> Yeah.
The clothing like with the wording and
Right.
Well, just to add a
pure devil's advocate.
What if we do away with that by just
having some nice embroidered shirts that
are our meeting shirts or something?
>> about that in the council. They didn't want it. Well, at that time
this is a totally different piece.
>> [snorts]
>> I know. I I mean I I'm not saying
definitely, but is that a compromise cuz
I mean, I wouldn't like that cuz I
couldn't wear my supply shirts, but
I mean, if that takes away bickering
over a backwards hat,
then so be it.
I mean, I'm not opposed to it. I guess
my my kind of thought with that one with
the dress code aspect is I mean, we have
US senators that wear Carhartt hoodies
and shorts to
meetings.
>> You can say better than LA. Yeah, I
mean, yeah. I mean, I think most people
probably know, but I'm just saying when
you talk about in a professional manner,
okay, well,
can I not wear my hoodie? Cuz I changed
today before I came because I was like,
oh no, I need to
look a certain way. But I mean, that was
kind of my thought with that. I guess I
do see where you're coming from, Zeke,
with the first amendment. That I do see
that, but I like the premise of this. I mean, I
because we don't have anything like this
in there and I do believe that I think
we all know um
it it's probably necessary.
And as I explained before,
this went back a year or so ago noticing
that we didn't have Yeah. And then I
asked previously, we don't have these as
you use guardrails, right? Standards
that if you know, we're here to serve
the public, we should actually
represent them in a higher standard and
that's kind of where this was
Yeah. aimed toward, not specifically to
pigeonhole anybody or to take anybody's
rights away, but to set that standard
where
ourselves and future
members of the council uh should look
to. And so, we have something to look
for if Yeah. If someone were to come in,
hey, what are your rules of decorum?
Well, that's goes to Robert's Rules if
you're by default, but Yeah. you know,
if you don't have anything that you have
that you're going to set a standard and
at some point if we need to amend that
or change that or remove that,
I I'm not opposed to those
conversations. I'm not opposed to, you
know, having a certain uniform and and I
don't know what the senator from
Pennsylvania, what he has to incur.
Maybe they have a fine in Senate because
he has I don't know.
>> There might be I I don't know. There
might be. I never thought Of course that
is not imposed here. There's no fine, of
course here, but
um
it it gives us So, instead of being
broad, could we go the other way? Can
you list specific things that
you can't have?
And not just professional. You can't
have a hat
when you're at the bench. You can't have
a You know, well, and just leave it. I
mean, don't even put professional
standard. Just say you shall not. Boom.
I I mean,
what would that be if there was a
distinct
>> a certain You could prepare a make a a
list of certain things that could be
debated for hours.
>> Well,
but is it a is it a way if there are
certain things that are bothering you
right now that that put this on your
heart today?
Let's list them, discuss them. If we can
come to a somewhat of an agreement, we
add them and if more come up, we discuss
them and we add them. That's why rules
can be changed
as a working out. And that goes by your
point as what you mentioned before,
which is why which is why it kind of
works
>> Oh, does it? Yeah, I mean, that's
exactly
right.
So,
it and that's
and I have no issues with that. If if
we're not ready to move forward on this
and you want to have those types of
conversation, that's why I was hoping to have that ahead of time.
Uh we could have worked some of those
details out. If there's something
specific that is
has any heartburn with anybody
specifically, if we should
list something specific or if there are
items. I did try to keep these
non-specific
as a list because I mean, you could you
could make a list 10 pages long and
nitpick every single one. And you know,
rather than just having a general
standard that we can abide by and maybe
dis- disagree on. That's I have no
problem with that. But rather than
nitpicking because somebody has a
different type of sock,
uh
that's that totally avoids the whole the
whole purpose of this. Will Bill still
not wear that ugly suit jacket?
>> [laughter]
>> No, that other one. The gray one or the
red one?
I'll just say I you know, I think from me personally, we we we made you
council
president and I you know, if this is on
your heart to do and you feel like it's
important, I don't think it's anything
we're not already doing.
So, I
you know, my support can move forward
with this. So, without going through the
process of laying it, do we just want to
Yeah. vote on it or do we take it or
not?
Yeah. You got a first and a second. You
have to Wait, wait, wait. wait, wait,
You had a first and a second. You had
discussion. You can either table it or
you can vote on it now, friends. Vote.
Yes.
Vote. I make a motion to adopt. Roll call.
Yes. Jared. Yes. Zeke. Yes. Patricia.
Yes. Courtney. Yes. Dustin. Yes.
Thank you.
Congratulations, sir, on your first.
All right, Jay, sorry for the delay on
that.
>> problem.
>> [laughter]
>> I know your name came up earlier in in
the meeting. I didn't know if you wanted
to add anything to that or you have
You did a great job explaining what what
went on. Everything went well, so Okay.
Did you have any concerns out of
the meeting?
Yeah. Just a just a time frame. They came up with a time frame that was
seemed to be unreasonable to me.
But other than that, I mean, you know,
everything that they brought in would
have to be voted on by emergency, which
we decided we weren't going to do.
We were going to
make everybody wait the whole 90 days
on everything that was talked about. So,
that's our only thing that really
concerned me.
>> it have to be emergency?
Do what? Why would it have to be
emergency?
Something to do with a rebate for solar
that they were going to be able to get,
but they had to turn it in by a certain
date and they had to show What I'm
hearing is their lack of planning has
now become our emergency. Th- Yeah.
That That's what they were hoping.
Okay.
But other than that, everything else
seemed more than reasonable. They got
They were bringing in a lot of good
jobs, going to have a lot of people
hired, so
it would help the community.
Thank you. Thanks for taking your time
today. Thanks, Jay. You bet.
All right, committee reports. Land Use
Committee. Do you want to Yeah, so we
set a new chair.
We're lucky enough to meet with some
potential developers.
Um
and then
our next meeting is going to be April
15th.
So, tax day?
Tax evening. Take your Take your mind
off of these things.
We can talk about the city of Hilliard.
Thank you. Appreciate that.
[clears throat]
Okay, now we're public comments. Keep in
mind we have several of them signed up.
As I call your name, please step
forward,
um, indicate your address, and you will
have 5 minutes to speak
on the topic that you choose. Uh, first
on the list, Ron Jan.
My name is Ron Jan.
I'm a not a resident of the village. I'm
a Norwich Township trustee. I live on
104, south of town. If you'll indulge
me, I would like to speak briefly on
something from the township and then
something about myself.
Um, the concerns that I have
uh,
as a trustee is I've been contacted by
some township residents expressing
concerns about the development on McCord
Road.
Uh, questions I couldn't answer. Uh,
what is the plan for McCord Road
to handle the extra traffic? As we all
know,
the village annexed back then a portion
of the road like the center line there,
but you get beyond that, that road is
very narrow
and it's
not in great shape.
And, you know, from the discussions we
have,
I don't know that the township has the
funds to redo that road on either side
of what the village has, so
my concern or concern I had from
residents was
is there something that you guys can do
that have a developer
absorb some of that cost or what's the
plan for the additional traffic or
um,
those type of questions. If anybody has
anything else, they can reach out to one
of us trustees and discuss it with us.
Um,
and that's all I have as a trustee. Ron,
would you stay through our additional
business so we can
talk back and forth about that?
About the road? Mhm. Yeah, I can stay.
Thank you.
Sorry, Dustin. Nope, it's fine.
Um, so the other part comes as me
personally.
Um,
I'm sure everybody's watched our meeting
from last Thursday. There was a little
bit of a heated discussion.
Oops, not a little bit, it was a lot of
heated discussion,
and I want to apologize to the community
for losing my temper.
I'm not going to apologize for what I
said because I still stand behind it,
but I should have been adult enough to
not lose my temper and do that.
being said, since then,
uh,
my character, my reputation, and several
things have been trashed on social media
since then.
So, I am here to clear the air.
I have not received any payments, any
money, was involved in any discussions
with
data centers, land development,
anything like that. The anything I did
was a video that popped up on social
media today.
Shows me sitting in the council meeting
back there,
and I want to explain that.
I was asked by the developer, my mom
owned 5 acres.
That was all she owned. That was all I
was involved in.
My uncle owned the other thing. He sold
that. He bought the land, it was his to
sell.
I'm old school, I believe in land
owner's rights. He wrote the check, he
should be able to do what he wanted to
do.
He sold it to the developer. I asked him
not to sell it, to keep it. He chose to
sell it.
The developer wrote the check and bought
it, so that's it.
The night that I was in the council
meeting,
I was asked to come. My mom had had a
stroke, she couldn't come
by herself.
So, I was asked to come and just
basically tell the council that mom had
decided to sell her property on her own.
That's what I did.
I decided to stay and listen to the
council meeting.
Um, I sat right there in that chair
watching the TV.
wouldn't work.
Mayor Goldhart came out in the room,
tried to fix the TV. I was the only one
here, only one in the room.
He said, "I'm not going to stand here
and try to fix this." He said,
"Come back here, sit in the corner,
don't say a word."
He said you'll get the same effect as
watching TV, so that's what I did.
Anybody can watch the minutes from that
meeting.
That's what I did. I had no input, no
thing. I just sat there and listened the
same as I would have been listening on
this TV.
I've been accused of all kinds of stuff.
Tonia,
I have nothing.
I have given almost 40 years of my life
to public service.
I was a firefighter, paramedic, and
retired as a lieutenant from Jackson
Township North City
for almost 30 years.
Since then, I was a township trustee for
4 years. There was 2 years I wasn't, and
then I'm back in again. I've been 2
years again. The date on that thing
posted
in 2022, I was not even a township
trustee.
I had messed up my petition and couldn't
run.
So, the characterization that I was a
council trustee sitting in that building
is completely false.
I was not there I'm as a trustee. I was
there as Ron Jan representing my mother,
but when I went back in that room, I was
just a citizen that could have been
sitting out there, but the mayor and
assistant invited me back so he could be
back in there
and not do that. So, I guess to my
point,
I hope that this is not what our
community has come down to.
You know, if somebody has a disagreement
with somebody,
they just trash them to no end.
Yeah, because if that's what it's come
down to, maybe I don't need to belong to
this community.
I've been here for 55 years.
Not many people can say that.
So, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Jan.
Next up, I have Scott O'Neal.
9217 McCord Road.
I'm here to speak again, just like Ron
did, about McCord Road.
Asking the village
to go to the developer
for the project on McCord and the rest
roads to ask them
to enhance the roads around there.
Off-site improvements
are typical of developments.
It is not a problem for the developer to
be asked and or possibly mandated
to fix McCord Road
with whether it needs base repairs,
complete replacement,
widening, things like that.
Not opposed to development happening.
There just needs to be steps
that this council
ensures are taken.
The township had a
one of their medics
sideswipe mirrors with a dually not far
from my house on McCord Road.
School buses can't pass each other
without driving off the road to go
around. They're literally in the grass
heading towards the ditch to pass by
each other.
That's not safe.
The village needs to hold the developer
accountable.
Jack and I spoke after the last meeting.
He knows where I stand.
I was on council, and I worked with Jack
in the past.
He is always willing to listen.
And that's what council needs to do is
they need to go to him
and negotiate now
instead of waiting to the very last
minute.
As far as data centers
at Direct 104,
I'm not saying data centers are good or
bad. I don't look at them like that. I I
don't worry about that, that's land
owner rights. Whatever they want to do,
it's their land, do whatever they want.
If someone doesn't like it, they should
have bought it.
I called the economic development
director of Hilliard.
The data centers in Hilliard
provide enough jobs that puts them
within the top five employer within the
city of Hilliard.
Everybody always says that there's no
jobs in data centers.
Hilliard disagrees.
I've looked up home values
right around data centers in Hilliard.
Every year they go up.
There's no decrease in home value. I
don't know where that comes from.
I can't say whether the air's clean, I
don't know.
I don't study that. I'm not
knowledgeable of that. I don't want to
try to speak to that.
People say data centers make noise.
Maybe some do, I don't know. I stopped
at one in Dublin off of 161.
Went in the little court where their
entrance was, stopped, shut the truck
off, got out.
Didn't hear a sound.
Not as much as a peep.
And as I'm sitting there, somebody pulls
up to go to the gate to go into this,
and it's an Amazon data center.
The loudest thing on that whole court
was somebody forgot to oil the gate, and
as the gate went up, it made the
noise going all the way up. That was the
only sound you could hear.
So, I don't know
where some of this stuff comes from, and
I'm not saying it applies to all data
centers,
but just that one I've been by,
the ones I've actually looked at with
Hilliard, that economic development
director, I asked him if he could go
back in time,
would he invite data centers to
Hilliard?
He said, "Absolutely."
They've provided millions and millions
of dollars.
And I know money's not everything,
but money can help
kids that are less fortunate play ball
over here when they're growing up.
You know, I've talked to some people
that said the only reason they can play
ball over here when they were little was
because of nice donations.
Maybe the data centers are going to be
banned in the future.
If you guys choose that, that's fine.
Maybe we have one that's going to sneak
in under the wire.
Maybe rather than fighting it,
maybe we work with it.
Maybe we ask them for big donations.
Maybe we ask them for
different things.
Every event that the city of Hilliard
has is sponsored by Amazon.
Every one.
It's not a conflict of interest, it's
not an ethical dilemma.
There's nothing to look into.
I know everybody wants to scream that
down here,
but it's been done. It's tried, it's
true,
it's legal, it's feasible.
Just have to ask.
And it's it's a cooperation between
developers,
cooperation between Amazon,
and it's cooperation between the
village.
Just something to take think about.
Call the economic development director
in Hilliard. I'll give you his number.
I gave it to Ezekiel. I'm not sure if he
called him or not.
Said he would.
He'd probably tell him the same thing he
told me.
So, we don't have to go broke
fighting Amazon.
We could work with them. We could have
big mounds, we could have 30-ft piles of
dirt around the place
where it'd never be seen from the road.
Put trees and dirt.
I'm sure if you ask them, they'll
probably like cut a check and put dirt
and trees up.
Just have to ask.
Thank you. Thanks, Scott.
Jason Height.
Uh 72 Chambers Bay Road.
Uh good afternoon everybody or good
evening. Um
So, I don't have 55 years here.
I've got about 9 months here.
So, but my wife and I
moved here after almost 30 years in the
military and 4 years retiring after
that.
Um ask me 2 years ago,
I didn't know what Commercial Point was.
I knew where Ohio was. That's about it.
So,
my wife and I decided, being particular,
we're moving to a new community,
not moving again,
to the best of our knowledge.
And I can get into the local politics
and find out what's going on here.
So, you all have seen me sitting here,
haven't made any noise, just thought I'd
sit back and listen. I went to a trustee
meeting
and I saw enough there and made a
decision to sit here.
Um I went through some of the
resolutions and ordinances. I just have
some questions on it that maybe you guys
think about what you're talking about.
All right?
Uh resolution nine
has a 180-day moratorium um moratorium.
Okay, section 1A allows
zoning and rezoning that's currently in
the legislative process to continue.
1B and 1C don't have that.
Okay, so you have resolution 08 2026
having its first reading tonight.
07 2026, an ordinance
2026-05 both have their second reading
tonight. And resolution one
uh 2026 is currently taped. So, do those
get to continue?
It's not in that resolution that they
get to continue if you guys pass this
tonight.
Okay?
Uh ordinance Oh,
and 1E applies to data centers.
So, I'm not sure why you have a 180-day
moratorium on this resolution for data
centers
when ordinance
26-0
09
has an 18-month
moratorium on
data centers. So, I don't know if it's a
backup plan or
they work coordinate or whatever that
may be.
Um
issue with doing ordinances 09 and 10
is
10 identifies two properties
that
apparently,
to my knowledge,
um have approval at some point, whether
that's 2023
ordinance which you guys are trying to
consider or not,
I'm not sure.
Okay?
Section four identifies those. It also
states that
um
the discontinuance of such use that has
been granted with that for 12 months
uh
would then terminate the non-conforming
status.
So, if you go into an 18-month
moratorium, that exceeds the 12 months.
So, are they by default not able to be a
data center?
So, that's the question.
Uh
So,
in summary,
uh are the two properties that are
identified allowed to move forward
legally?
Okay? If they are, I think the council
needs to look at that reality once you
go through this evening and whether 180
days or 18 months to figure out the
risks
uh that can be mitigated that have been
identified. They've got cooling systems
now. AWS does that. I did that research
today. Noise mitigation. Okay?
Um whatever your results are, up front
announce it to the residents and the
community as a whole.
And if you go forward with it because
legally through the courts they say you
have to, are you guys planning that out
beforehand?
Then work with the developers as
discussed earlier.
And if not,
you guys are the conscious we voted for.
So, thank you.
Okay, next up is Mike Helser.
I'm at 313 Creekview Drive.
Um my name is Mike Helser. Um
we uh purchased or we're new to the
community. We purchased our home. Um
we're the second owner. Um
I'm here to speak regarding the
continued flooding that is occurring on
our property. Um I do have photos of
them I'll pass around.
Um due to being the second owner of this
property, uh I don't have the dates as
to when the issue began. The property
and the drains were placed on those at
311 uh Creekview. The flooding is
affecting our property on 313 along with
309.
Uh there is a field behind the homes on
Creekview Drive that has the runoff um
the river water that flows down the
property of 311 that's flowing onto
other properties.
Um I also have student works individuals
when the storm catch basins were placed
and no one can advise me of the date.
Um my wife and I have been in contact
with numerous people regarding the
continued issues. We have spoken with
Dave Riley, the village administrator,
um Mike Schrockman in the street
department, Charles Baker, personally
contacted DR Horton,
um Brian Wilkins who is a resident
residential building official in the
city of Circleville,
um Trish Anderson uh Omni Group um with
the HOA. We contacted AEP, uh Pickaway
County, um Devin Weller who is the
landowner of property behind,
um and also Jack um
with uh DR Horton.
Uh we were told by Dave Riley Charles
Baker that once the if once and if the
development goes behind our houses that
um the problem would be fixed, but at
this time we have no idea when that will
happen.
Um when and you know, if it will be
fixed.
If
and then if the draining or drainage
would be corrected um you know, and stay
fixed. But there's no guarantee. As you
can see from the photos, our electrical
box, internet box is almost completely
submerged. This is
uh not only a flooding issue, but a
safety issue in our backyard. The
electrical box, internet box
um during the time of flooding were
almost completely submerged. Um both
boxes were only an inch away from being
completely under water per AEP. And
after speaking with Taylor at AEP, she
stated that it is not considered a
safety issue or to be moved until the
electrical box is completely out of
power. Um she stated they would not turn
our electric electric back on until we
fix the inspection.
Um then this would be up to the
homeowner as to you know, when the
drains are fixed in their yard. Um they
would need to be inspected and approved.
Um
the neighbor uh
the neighbor at 309 and my wife both
work from home. Uh they would both be
out of employment until you know, this
resolved and um you know, our electric's
turned back on. Um we can't make any
improvements or put anything in place in
our backyard
uh because of the risk of flooding and
damage to our property. Um it's like the
fence that was already installed when we
purchased our home. Our homes are also
not considered in a flood zone. So, if
there is damage to our property, I'm
being told that it would not be covered
because we're not in a flood zone.
After speaking to text and email with
Charles Baker and Jack with DR Horton,
Charles Baker stated that the HOA would
come out and clean the drains and to
make sure that there was no obstructions
um in the flow of the water.
Uh we were told it was completed. The
flooding still occurred again after that
on March 24th.
They are aware that um the pipe that
it's a French drain, it's a 4-in pipe.
Um and that the last update that we
received from Jack
with DR Horton is that they were going
to cut windows or holes in the three
sides of the uh the drains
um adjacent to the field. They are
stating that these holes will allow
significantly more storm water into the
storm lane their storm drains.
Uh I want to know is there going to be a
push uh with the issue regarding the
continued flooding if there isn't a
resolution from I'm being advised
numerous homes are being affected by
improper draining in our community. Can
the council push to go through and hold
DR Horton accountable for this?
It should not be up to the homeowners
when DR Horton is aware
uh that the pipe that they had put in
was too small. Uh after listening to
everything I have provided including
documentation,
um I want to know if you know, if and
when approved for the the homes being
built behind us, will there be continued
um will will there be continued
accountability for like the drainage
like once they're installed? And can we
have legislation that if it is
installed, can this draining issue be
fixed before anything else
um set forth for the development? That's
what I'd like to ask.
During this time period, we just do
public comments. So, at this point we
won't be able to answer the questions.
Public comment. Okay. Public comment.
Thank you. You're sure.
Thank
Corey Wasmes
Good evening. Corey Wasmes, 12930 Gibson
Road.
Uh first of all, thank you all for
all you've done.
I'm just going to speak from the heart.
I don't really have too much prepared,
but uh
like Trustee Jan, I did want to bring
that up first thing, you know, with the
court road. It is a very narrow road. Uh
I know working that when we were
snowplowing, thinking it's kind of odd
when you first turn off onto it off of
Durrett, it's kind of sloped down on the
one side.
It'd be hard
very difficult just to widen the thing.
Uh but if there is a big development to
go back there, the thing I'm looking you
guys approved, it'll bring a significant
amount of added traffic. So, there's no
doubt it'll be a big impact and who it
always comes down to who's going to pay
for that. You know, it's majority it's
all township road except for that one
section you guys annexed.
From what I understand, you only annexed
to the center line of that road. So,
it's it's difficult
right now, but if we can come to some
kind of agreement, and I know it's
already been annexed and stuff, but as
you go through this process, it would
help greatly if we could help each other
out instead of it landing on all the tax
dollar township taxpayers. Uh same kind
of thing, if I could go personally,
um I just want to say
seeing how things have evolved over the last
12 months, I'd say,
um
from a council where at one point we
come in and we weren't even sure if we'd
be allowed to talk or not, you know, uh
speaking as a resident, to now you guys
are extremely open, transparent. I mean,
you guys have made strides.
I remember back then talking to somebody
like,
you know,
isn't there some people, like some
patriots, to step up and lead this
community? And they said,
you know, it's always been a struggle
just getting people that want to run.
But look, what was there? 12, over a
dozen people that wanted to run and
different things with
petitions, they few fell out, but you
guys, you know, succeeded and you're
here, and we're glad you're here, and
the ones that are still here, Eric and
Jay,
uh same with you guys, can't say I'm proud of you guys just personally.
Um
well in the work bringing in these new
fellows, Shay, Justin, he's been here,
kind of seems like he's always been on
council, he's been through it all. Uh
now you're sitting in the mayor's spot,
at least for tonight. So, uh
appreciate you, but just know
I know there's somebody standing here
not too long ago threatening you with
major litigation, talking about $500,000
retainers per attorney. I can tell you
that is very threatening, you know that,
but I can also tell you there's a lot of
people that are in this community that
have your back. They're praying for you.
They know that what you're up against,
it's a giant, but we know somebody a lot
bigger than any giant that's walking
this earth, so um just know that we're
here with you and you have all the
courage and encouragement straight your
way. So, appreciate all you being here.
Uh next up, Ken Henning, located
>> [clears throat]
>> Is that correct, Ken?
I got some pictures to pass around. Some
of them might be some duplicates from
Mr. Helzer.
I live at uh 311 Creekview Drive.
Same kind of like crazy flooding. Um
he's pretty much spoke on everything,
but going to the drain problem.
This is the tile that D.R. Horton put in
as a secondary drain.
Some of the pictures you guys will see,
you see that there's a there's a major
storm drain which goes to the street.
This is the tile that goes on the other
side of the yard, it's right next to
um Mr. Helzer's property as well.
So, cutting holes in this
will not take care of the problem. Last
time this yard flooded,
this picked this tile up
and it laid 6 ft from my house.
So, that drain is not even it's free
floating now.
It rained again, yard's still flooded
with this tile.
So, what we're proposing to D.R. Horton
is to come in and possibly redo this and
put a bigger box drain in, maybe the
same size as what's already installed,
you know, to begin with.
It's a 24 by 24,
if I do believe, 24 deep
box drain that D.R. Horton put in
originally.
This right here, this is probably only 4
in deep.
And then that pipe, that 4 in pipe then
runs to the big storm drain,
and then it goes to the street.
So,
that's where I'm at with the flooding.
>> [snorts]
>> We just we're asking D.R. Horton to come
out and
rip the yard up if they have to, I don't care, but I mean,
the pictures you'll see there
of the final grade before the sodding,
you'll see the significant erosion
since
the flooding has happened. So, my yard
now has a huge slope. The more and more
this floods, the closer and closer this
comes to my house.
The last time that this flooded, it was
6 ft from my foundation. My sump pump
was going crazy.
We have no flood insurance. If that
electric goes out, so does my sump.
So,
I got to protect my assets and my
neighbors. Mr. Biggs is going to be up
here next. You know, I live literally
right between Helzer
and Mr. Biggs. So, that's what we're
just asking for is D.R. Horton just I
mean,
help us, you know, I mean, we're trying to protect our assets here.
So, that's all I got. Thank you.
Robert Biggs
I'll go on to my issue with D.R. Horton.
As you can see, we were all neighbors
there who all um
>> [clears throat]
>> deal with the flooding.
Um this [snorts] year there's a
electrical box that was 1 in away from
blowing and nobody had electricity on
the whole block. And I don't know if
D.R. Horton will come back out and
repair that or how long we'd be out of
electricity if that ever happens again.
The small drain that comes through feeds
into the bigger drain that's uh running
across our yards.
So, all that water comes in from that
field, goes into that small drain that
feeds into the big drain. That small
drain, when it feeds into the big drain,
it was almost up to where that small
drain couldn't even feed into the big
drain.
Um we have over 4 ft of standing water.
We had ducks out there thinking it was a
pond.
It is a lot of water out there, and
we're just looking for some help from
D.R. Horton. Um I know we're talking
about putting some slits in and some
windows, but
we don't think that's going to help, but
we do need some help with the flooding.
Thank you.
Last up, uh Bruce Moore.
12491 Gibson Road.
As many of you know, I represent several
of the developers here in this
community, including Canova, who
recently filed a major site plan for the
same property. [snorts]
Today, there are four pieces of
legislation on your agenda.
Um four pieces of legislation on your
agenda that directly affect directly
affect all of the developers in this
community.
And what I'm here to ask for today is
what all of you have mentioned time and
time again,
and what many of you ran on,
transparency. We heard Council member
Miller say that he wanted the community
to engage, but yet seems to have intent
or plan to pass three of these pieces of
legislation tonight.
How do we have members of the community
engage with council if legislation
that's proposed placed on an agenda on a
Wednesday or a Thursday before,
and then it's a holiday. I would say
that most of the community outside of
these council members up here haven't
even seen what's actually on those
resolutions and those ordinances.
So, what we're asking for is that you
give that 90-day opportunity that Jay
was talking about for legislation.
Let it work through the process. We
heard community members tonight speak
about the benefits of data centers. We
heard them speak about mitigation.
And as Mr. Miller mentioned,
yes, if these get passed, it could lead
to a fight, but nobody wants to fight.
But who's not going to protect their
property rights? You heard people here
today that are trying to protect their
property rights from flooding.
Why wouldn't someone who came before
this council, not these council members,
but before this council, followed the
process, had a property rezoned,
specifically told you can only build
data centers on this property, only for
a year and a half later
for the different council members to
say, "Eh, we've changed our mind."
Why wouldn't they fight to protect those
property rights?
But nobody wants to fight.
There are mitigation measures.
We want time
to try to work with the village to find
out what mitigation measures can be
implemented in writing in a development
agreement with this village.
That way,
whether it's mounding or noise
suppression or specific type of data
center, whatever those things are,
that way we can incorporate
[clears throat] those, and we can all
move forward without having to fight
unnecessarily. There can be great
benefits to this community.
And there can be protections put in
place.
Your major site plan legislation allows
you as council members to put conditions
that protect the health, safety, and
welfare of your citizens on any major
site plan that's approved.
So, you aren't without recourse. It is
not something that you have to stop.
You [snorts] can
allow development to move forward,
development that was already legislated
in this village, to move forward without
risking the people's money. Because
that's what these people need an
opportunity to discuss.
As we've heard, there is a risk. It will
be some expense.
And
as of right now,
many of the community members that I've
spoken with don't know that risk.
They've heard that data centers are bad.
They've heard that they should be
stopped, but no one asked what the cost
is to stop those.
And that is the question that everyone
should have an opportunity to consider
and to weigh in on
before council votes on these pieces of
legislation.
Thank you for your time.
Okay, that's all we have for public
comments.
We're going to move on to business
items. First one up here is the
pick up the medical research
facility that was mentioned earlier.
Mayor Gardner just wants us to find out
if we want to proceed with a formal
presentation
from them if you
There's anybody who wants to do that.
Can we ask some questions of Dave?
Okay,
go for it. Dave, Dave Hang on. I got
I can't hear you. Oh, your your
microphone is kicked on. Hang on.
Okay.
My only concern is
this is probably going to have some sort
of waste water cooling issues.
Are we going to repeal possibly
something tonight and then we're going
to have an issue with another place
where they don't have any place to put
their
So, as far as you're asking about
cooling water
>> Yeah, or that or are they going to have water that could have radiation
in it?
Yeah. So,
to my understanding, there's going to be
at the very first initiative of the
building is going to be just a
diagnostic not testing where they're
going to be doing actual x-rays or MRIs
on people. Okay?
This is going to be simply a data
retrieval and
consolidation where they where they
bring pieces of of information together
to
and they decipher everything that's
going on.
So, I'm So, there
So, there's not going to be any like
patients
coming in
to do testing. Okay. Not this [snorts]
time. That's my understanding. So, what
we're doing is
because it's not over and this is this
is not for you to answer, but
because it's not over a certain square
footage and meet the definition of a
data center, they're going to just call
it something else and put it under the square
>> Well, there are
there
They said there would be computers
there. There would be some electronic
stores there, but there would be
[snorts]
mainly that is for and I don't want to
speak for them, but the way it was told
to me And that's all that's all I'm
asking. It was going to be basically
there would be
highly technical people there,
technicians, medical technicians there
interpreting that data
and information that was brought in from
said it facilities around the area,
hospitals.
And then they would be compiling that
information to people or doctors to use
in the
surrounding area.
Does that make sense?
>> Yes, it does. It's about as good as I
can Yeah, I know. That was perfect. That because when you hear research
facility, is it actually, you know,
doing the testing? Is there Is there
uranium on site? That was originally
what
So, we should be good there.
>> Yes. As far as water or waste water
specific usage,
I was not given anything as to what
their needs were at that time.
I don't think they were ready to give us
that information. Okay. But that's
something you would monitor Oh, yeah.
Absolutely. We would have to know, you
know, what they're expecting from us and
what they would be sending.
We have we have legislation in place to
protect us.
I just wanted to make sure that, you
know, you didn't
think of anything that No.
I was in the meeting and I didn't I
didn't catch any
anything that would have been negative
at that time. Thank you.
Any more questions?
Thank you. Unless unless we're in
opposition, I'll recommend to the mayor
to put them on the next convenient
public meeting. Okay.
Yeah. Yes. Okay. Can I ask are we going
to allow them to come to a COW or is it
going to be a regular meeting?
I know
So, people will know. I'm not opposed.
We'll make sure we I'm not opposed to
having that at a at a COW since we'll
have
in the chambers here. I'm not opposed to
that. We'll consult with the mayor to
find out what her plans [snorts] are and
to find out if they can appear in that
short of a notice. Okay.
The next one
for comprehensive plan. So, we need to
uh
make a decision as to
allowing the mayor to proceed with the
contract on this and then
there will be a
uh
special meeting to make that formal
decision and to vote on it.
Bill,
can I
So, if I I'm going to make a motion
[clears throat] to
authorize the mayor to enter into
agreement with MSG
to
uh move forward with the comprehensive
plan.
Or and then we'll have a what a
resolution later that states the amount.
Is that correct, Bill?
Is that what you were Yes, that's
exactly where that's exactly where I was
going with that. You can wait for the
resolution.
I just if we're going to award a
contract, I don't know Yeah, you need the resolution. You need the
contract attached to it.
So So, we would we can make a motion to
make a decision to permit the mayor to
proceed with the contract, preparing the
contract for MSG as you as you may
>> Right.
And then we would have to come back
during a special meeting
to present that and pass or
approve the resolution. So, motion's
made. We just have to see if it's
seconded.
I second.
We'll call the roll on that.
All in favor? I know what that doesn't
mean. Doesn't matter. Yeah, you're just
entering into a professional services
contract. You need a voice vote.
All in favor? Aye.
All opposed?
Mr. Hill, do you have it done yet?
Oh, okay. I saw you back here. I was
just seeing if it was finished.
Okay, the next one is our administration
administrative guidelines. Um
It's the update to our administrative
guidelines that fiscal officer provided.
Uh there were three issues
that were submitted to you. I'm going to
make a motion [snorts]
to
approve those changes as submitted.
Second.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. All
opposed?
Okay.
Should pass.
The fourth item here is the Scioto
Township flower sale. They would like to
set up in the park
and have appropriate I'm assuming street
closures and stuff for that. I don't
have a date on that one. I don't I
didn't get it yesterday.
Yeah, she said about Thursday to Sunday
or till they're gone, right?
Yeah.
I I just need a motion and a second to
vote on this. I'll make a motion.
Second.
Or the second.
>> [laughter]
[cough]
>> All in favor? Aye.
All opposed?
Okay.
Motion passed.
Okay.
From the amended agenda, we have E, a
presentation from DR Horton regarding
Scioto Crossing.
Folks ready to go?
Before we get started, as I I first want
to First off, my name is Jack Martino.
I'm the division president of DR Horton
here in Columbus, Ohio.
Uh with me tonight is Andrew Mount, our
land acquisitioner, and Tiffany Ramp,
who is our director of forward planning
and entitlement. Um
I just wanted to make uh
just to address the storm water
situation there at Scioto Crossing. Uh
first off, I appreciate you all bringing
it to our attention. It is a concern and
we are taking that very serious to the
extent that the engineer that designed
Scioto Crossing was a gentleman by the
name of Jim Watkins who owned Watcon
Engineering at the time. Jim is now with
Veridian Test and Jim wrote the
recommendation or the prescription as to
how to fix this situation.
Uh I sent that in an email to everybody
last Monday, Monday, March 30th, along
with a letter from Jim and then a uh
the uh the points of what that
description would or I'm sorry, the
prescription would look like. So, it has
nothing to do with the grates on top.
There's a there's a concrete structure
that sits in the ground that collects
that water.
Most of that water today is coming
through an inlet at the top. So, what
would need to happen is that that
concrete structure will need to get dug
up. I apologize, we will need to dig
that structure up and affect the yards
and we will cut what are called windows
in the side of that, which will allow
significantly more storm water to get
into that 24-in
water line or I'm sorry, drain line as
well as the 12-in drain line. That's the
prescription that the engineer that
designed this is suggesting in terms of
a fix. I can easily I can see you
saying, "Well, he screwed it up in the
first place. Why is he going to screw it
up again?" So, we would be more than
happy to work with the village's
engineer to have have them look at this
prescription as well before starting on
the work. Okay.
I just wanted to address that. You're
willing to do that, right? Okay. Yes,
thank you. And Jack, before you get
started, I do want to appreciate your
the the attentiveness you've had for the
customer service. They just come in and
I know personally the the the the the the the the the the Absolutely.
And we trust that as this moves forward
that this circumstance that we're
dealing with on the one side
we can mitigate on this side or not
maybe have that repeated.
>> Yeah. Two two two Yeah, hopefully the
two is totally separate issues, but
those photos that were passed around
they're as disturbing to me as they are
uh to to anyone else that would see
them. And that is one thing as you've
seen we don't want to repeat it.
Correct. And on this scenario we're
good. Understood. Okay. Thanks. So, I
will go ahead and let Nan do the start.
Thank you for
letting me talk about that.
Good evening, Council. I appreciate it.
And in theory this should help that
problem cuz we're going to catch a lot
of the water that's draining across that
field and retain it in these ponds.
Um
on that note though. So, thank you for
the opportunity to uh present um the
Estates at Scioto Crossing.
Um
Jack stunned the introduction, so I'll
skip that. Um but
it
you all know we've been building here
since 2004. Want to continue that
relationship. Um
and tonight we bring forth a plan that
we uh hope to hope to do that with.
Um this
So, we've got the Estates at Scioto
Crossing.
This is um
at the corner or at the northwest of
Direct and McCord Road.
It's 110 acres.
Uh to the and to the west of Scioto
Crossing to the south of Southern Point.
Property's currently annexed
and zoned exceptional use.
And our plan is for this to be an
extension of Scioto Crossing. When this
property came through before
it was
just repeat that.
This was the feedback that was given
when they tried to do something uh
significantly more dense. So, uh so
that's just that's really the direction
we're headed.
Um
And I think as you come in the
Oh, that doesn't really work on the TV.
Uh can you go back?
Thanks.
One more.
Other way. Forward.
As you come in
you've got the uh
um
you'll have open space at at the
entrance and then as you come in and you
come in to a 10-acre community space.
With there'll be a park
pavilion
uh
here and then we're saving
eight So, that's about 2 and 1/2 acres
to then saving over 7 acres of the woods
of the wooded property.
We'll have walking trails throughout the communities that will um
Excuse me. They'll they'll tie it all
together.
You'll be able to walk you know, walk
around this pond, come up, walk through
connect to the sidewalks.
So, we think that'll that'll make a
great great amenity with the passive the
passiveness of the passive open space of
the woods
combined with the
uh
activity in the park.
So, the
this this plan exceeds the required open
space
which is uh 20 We're providing 27.6
acres
uh compared to the requirement of 18.1
acres.
For for the villages uh PUD ordinance.
What's the number of houses per
uh acre of net developable?
So,
uh
So, the net density is uh gross density
2.91 and the net is 3.77.
And which versus an allowance of four
acres.
Is there any way that that could get the
rate below?
Not really.
I know we had discussed
and I think you guys were here when we
were talking about it
you know, making the new standard three.
And if you want more than that, you
know, you got to PID or PUD or whatever.
I just didn't know if maybe this could
be the community that we kick that off
with and say that three is the new
standard and if a builder wants to see
what Commercial Point considers
it could be that three. But if it can't
happen, I understand. It's dollars and
cents. But
Not not really. He did say you've been
here you know, for
umpteen years
and wouldn't that be nice if we could
send them one of your communities to say
that this is the standard
I mean if if it can happen, that would
be a plus, but if it can't, I
understand. Well, we'll we'll go back
and take a look at what we can do.
But I would say it's probably a
tough fight. Yeah. So, if you if you can
go back to the Okay.
>> talking about the green spaces, I know
we had some conversation in the in the
uh Planning Committee about
like the utilization of that green space
with
maybe
um
increasing community access you know
parking and
uh different maybe amenities like uh
and
is any of that subject to change in your
current plan as it sits right now?
Since we had that conversation? Yeah.
And I think we are providing
uh you can go back up one more.
Sorry. No, really I really have got the
controls here, but I
um
So, we are providing
parking
along the
south of it. Uh um
And your question was the clubhouse or
pool house and that sort of thing. Yeah,
or like a you know, basketball or
pickleball Yeah, and we I mean I think
pickleball
I think that's fully you know, those are
highly utilized these days and I think
that's something we'd definitely be
interested in uh
taking a look at. Okay. Especially you
know, with the uh with the
age-targeted
community in there. I think that's a
inspection in there. I think that's a
Get to it in a second. Uh I think that's
uh
definitely something we would look at.
Okay. We we also talked about protective
covenants over the the the green space
area specifically.
And that will be that will be
restricted. What what what we'll try to
do here they're going to give that full
presentation that we actually had
together as real quick and then we'll probably finish up and do a
follow-up on that.
is my that is the plan we're going
to have. Is that fair? That's very fair.
Thank you.
Uh
It's it's only an on the Here's an
overlay on the aerial. So, you can see
the section of the woods that are being preserved in uh
in here. So, we we will be removing some
of it, but the bulk of it will be saved.
Oh.
And then we're also saving saving this
woodland on the south of of the pond.
In in addition, we've got uh extensive
buffering uh on the east side. We're
uh adding some buffer to protect those
you know, the the trees that are there
and that will allow us to put the drainage on the lots as it's
typically done without having to impact
those trees.
In In addition, we've got uh on the
north side we've got McCord Road and the
residents to the north we've got some
mounding and uh mounding and woodland.
And then on
in addition to that on the south we are
uh we've got some additional buffer
there from the Carney's property.
And we are looking at
uh
the ability to add some mounding to help
with their drainage issues cuz they do
get a lot of water coming onto the
property with trees on top for some buffering.
Here's here's just some examples of the
some examples of park amenities that
we'd be putting in. We've got
very nice pavilion, swing set
uh you know, play playground.
Now to the residential pods. Um
Subarea C which is the yellow and pink
on the east side.
That's 156 single family lots.
Uh 63 by most of them are 63 by
126 minimum. Some of them are 50 which
provides some variety of the lots and it
also helps with the uh
with the lot fits.
Um
It's the same product just the 50-foot
lots will be uh two
will be restricted to two-car garages.
And again, we've already talked about
the open space on the on the east side
to protect uh
so that we protect the trees.
And then uh um
on the northwest corner is uh
Subarea A which will be 81 age-targeted
patio homes. These will be ranch homes
uh
50 by 125. We'll have an amenity or have
a maintenance package on those. So, that
will be targeting
uh people in the community that are
ready to you know, their kids are gone,
they're ready to move down or
get people coming into the community
that you can add or you then the
grandparents can come and live nearby.
Um which I know growing up or my my kids
growing up. Grandparents were a couple
miles away. It was great.
So,
and then uh How many of those are there?
There's 81 of those. I'm sorry. Skip
that number.
And then subarea B, the blue the blue
lots in the southwest corner,
those are 84 single-family lots, and
those are 50 by 126
minimum.
Um similar similar product is subarea C.
Again, it's all all two they'd be two
restricted to two car garages.
And the the smaller lots allow us to
exceed the required open space that that
we talked about already.
It fills by saving some of that open
space.
Kind of that that trade-off.
So, summary of key facts.
Uh
We've got 110 acres, 9.8 acres
of open space of community space,
uh including 7.2 acres of the preserved
uh woodland.
It It's actually a little bit more than
that because we've got some behind the
lots that we're saving.
And then uh
You see that you know, we've talked
about the
exceeding the open space requirements,
the 321 lots
with 81 patios, 84 single-family, and
156 in single-family in pod C.
The the yellow and pink lots.
With a gross density of 2.9,
and net density of 3.7,
and allowed density of four per the
current ordinance.
So, here's some examples of the product
that we've uh
the
These would be the three car integral.
So, these would be on the 63-ft lots.
Then we've got uh these would be
the you know, the rest of the
single-family lots.
Will those have basements or
on the slabs?
Uh
>> [snorts]
>> The customer would be able to choose.
And then these would be the patio homes,
and these would be on slabs.
These would be owned.
Could it be both at all or
I mean, it seems like that's what people
are asking for is for people to have you
know, the rentals? Yeah, because when
they retire, they just
they don't want to own anything anymore.
And the new thing seems to be to give
away your inheritance before you die
>> [laughter]
» I mean
I
These These would be targeted towards
for sale. But there there I know there's
a lot big market for the rentals. Is
that something you would consider there,
Jack, or I mean, I I don't I I will go
ahead and address a couple things that I do want to address, but specifically
on on the rentals,
we haven't written in anything into the
restrictions that would preclude an
investor to come in and buy
those those the homes.
One of the And what would make those
homes attractive,
that particular product, it's it's what
we call age targeted. It's not age
restricted. Age targeted being it's two
and three bedroom
single story homes
uh with that are built on slab to begin
with. Um age targeted, they don't like a
lot of stairs, and they'll find a place
for for storage. But uh as far And then
if you go back to that subarea, what
we're going to call A, those 81, they
would have a maintenance package on
them. So, all of those lawns would be
mowed, so it'd be more of a a
uh
kind of a lifestyle where you do not
have to have to mow. So, all of the
lawns would be mowed at that same time,
and that would all be part of the HOA.
So, it might be attractive for an
investor, but I'm not looking to sell 81
of these to some institutional buyer.
Yeah.
I think we have enough of that.
Yeah. Okay.
Uh the other thing I did want to address
just on Let us look more closely at the
three.
Um
You know, Councilman Monger, I
appreciate the suggestion on the three.
I believe
if I recall correctly, Scioto Crossing
and possibly Chestnut Estates, they
might have been 3.1 or 3.3. I think
we're somewhere right in there. This
looks to be 3.7, so give us a little
time on that. So, scrub that out.
>> I just wanted to ask earlier. Appreciate
it. Yeah. I like that adjustments have
been done since the last time.
Uh we have a builder this time that that
we
Some of us may like, some of us may not.
But we have a builder, so we're making
positive strides. I'm still not saying
that I'm sold that we can come together
on the infrastructure offsite upgrades,
uh cuz we you know, I don't know if
they'll be a Tiffin home or what they
would be since it's offsite.
But I think that's your biggest hurdle.
If we can't figure out McCord Road
to everybody's agreement, the chances of
this passing are about zero. Okay.
Estimate. I I appreciate the candor. Let
me just respond and just so I
understand.
Are we going to use a traffic study to
make that decision?
Which is typically the the whatever
traffic study and whatever the village's
engineer would review that traffic study
with respect to the additional trips
that this would cause both on McCord and
Dorr Road. What What that study is
suggesting or what study What that study
would mandate, we would be in agreement
to perform. So, that study that was done
for the last one time this came in,
probably going to be about same. And it
was whether it happens or not, there has
to be a turn lane on Weldrick Road to to
lane, whether it happens or not. Yeah.
Well, okay, so you'll say, "Well, even
if we don't build, I just want get that
done now."
I know it's putting the cart before the
horse, but let's not argue about that
later. We sit down [clears throat] that
with this property. Yeah. And
the big stickler is, yeah, we would like
an extension
to fix that whole part of McCord,
whether it's something we work out with
the trustees to to work with them. Well,
I But for us to feel good about okaying
this, Sure. we do have to play well with
the the neighbors in the township. We're
also township. So, I just want to make
sure that there's enough meat on the
bone
that we or how can we come to that
agreement so that that is off that's
dealt with, and then the Dorr Road, I
know you have to do the 250-ft right
turn lane, you know, coming from each
direction and all that. Uh I don't know
that another traffic study would be much
different.
But I just want to make sure if it says
no build or build, it needs this.
Are you going to do it? Well, I think
that's what I'm asking. Is that going to
be subject Is it subjective or is it
what what that study says we have to do?
So, that's what I'm at. Is this
subjective is
if it if the study says you have to do
this to McCord and you have to do this
to Dorr,
are we in agreement that would say,
"Yeah, we need to do that." I mean,
we've got to participate because we're
going to be adding that many trips. Or
is Council going to say,
"Uh
I understand what the study says. I
understand what our engineer says. We
want more."
That's the subjectivity that I I don't
know. So, I can't respond to that. I
will just from my I can only speak from
this seat.
>> Yes, sir. Um
I guess obviously the traffic study is
the one that is
supposed to be on the nine.
But we also know that that they have a
matrix that they put in a and numbers up
to this have to be mitigated, up to this
don't.
But I think as a village, if we do not
make that that area
to the south and the north match,
I just think that that's that's not great. Well, that causes more
rift between the two.
When you say to the south and the north,
how far are you? Well, that's what I
just want to say. Could we agree that we as the developer would work that out
with the village's engineer, and
whatever the traffic study says and what
the village's engineer feels, you know,
is warranted on behalf of the village,
that's something that I can work with.
Yeah, that's why they have faith in
these two.
That's why they represent them.
Understood.
>> And that's why, you know, we're full
time now. Yeah. And we just want you to
know that they are full time now, and we
expect that.
And if they have [snorts] a suggestion
as a you could or could not, it would
probably be great if you went to the
could.
Okay. No, that was going to be my
question, I guess, because if you
if you're saying that you want to work
with them, say they say, "This is
great." But like you said, they're Okay,
we see more.
The we or the council, the township, we
want more than what the traffic study
says. Are you going to go with the more
of what is suggested, or is it going to
be just, "Well, the traffic study says
we don't have to do that, so even though
you guys
want the more, we're not going to do the
more." Yeah, I hope with all due
respect, I can't commit to the more
because I don't know what the more is.
That's right. Right. But you're willing,
Jack. I'm willing, absolutely, to work
with the engineers and and and council
and the village's engineers to to
satisfy that. Cuz cuz I will say it it
felt like I came in at the tail end of
it last time, and it felt like maybe
that didn't happen early on, and that's
how we got where we were. That's how it
took me till the night of to figure out
they were over, you know, the four on
net cuz they were using gross. We just
don't want that repeat. So, we want to
make sure that tonight at this you're
telling us and promising us that you
will work hand-in-hand with these
professionals that we hired
so that when they tell us that they have
done what they feel
is in the best interest from their
specialty, we don't have to second-guess
it and we can take it because you're
going to tell us that's what you're
going to do. 100% Yeah, 100%. And this
will have to be a collaboration with the
township because this their road. So,
this is going to be a collaboration with
them
step-by-step.
I mean it will just it will be not the
decision necessarily on this part of it,
but it will be what happens because just
to let you know that from my perspective
the minimum standard on these roadways
in this is is
won't
it won't impress me at all. Okay? Susan
has The higher the higher level is going
to we're going to have to Susan, you
speak to that. during this process. So
Just to comment because we do have
shared roadways. Village goes to the
center line, township is the other side.
Everything that gets submitted goes to
the county engineer as well.
So, I think we just recently submitted
the MOU for your traffic impact study.
The county received it and they have
already provided their comments to that
MOU. Can can we get that?
Cuz I haven't seen the traffic study for
that. It's still being done. Oh, okay.
Well, he was for I thought you It
was for when they tried to come in last
time. Okay, so we did There is a new
one.
There will be a new one. Okay. Okay.
So, I guess Susan, I do have a question
maybe you can talk to because McWhorter
Road is is not blacktopped, Ronald, am I
correct? It's all tar and chip layers,
right? Uh there's section that has been
blacktopped in the S-curve.
Okay, but the rest of it is just layers
of tar and chip. So, that's probably
going to mean we're going to go all the
way to the base and redo it all
with twos and all the way up because if
it's just tar and chip, we're not going
to have enough base there to even widen
it all. So, I just I want to make sure
you understand the type of road that
you're talking about
before we get too far.
I mean it's it's a tar and chip road
that's in really bad shape. There's not
a whole lot of room through the S-curve.
I think I remember when I was learning
to drive that S-curve had a one-lane
sign.
Uh it used to be a one you had to stop
and if if met in the middle it was
whoever could go up the road the most
and get damaged. Sure. No. You know, so
I just I don't want anything hidden.
Uh I mean believe it or not, I kind of
like you
and
>> [laughter]
>> I don't want to have to curb ball or
anything later. No. No, I respect that.
The calendar saves us time.
Right.
And in this situation if again, working
with the village's engineers who have
that responsibility to provide that
technical
uh review and technical guidance to the
village, we're completely beholden to
that with the study.
And of course, you know how windy is.
We're not worried about you working with
her. So, that'll be squared away.
You mean that's part of the gig?
>> [laughter]
>> I'll let you keep going.
Thank you. It was a great presentation,
but just one thing if I can just add,
when you're doing your park um
depending with that amount of homes, you
may need some extra playground equipment
um cuz Scioto Crossing's
if there are five kids at the park, it's
too crowded.
So, just keep that in mind. I would make
the park bigger than what's at Scioto
Crossing.
But Patricia, this is Scioto Crossing.
So, their crossing's playground is
I [laughter]
mean I know I mean some of our neighbors
we may come over and use that pavilion,
you know what I'm saying? So, we want a
pickleball court, too. But I I'm just
saying, you know, because with the swing
because there's only one baby swing and
there's five people that in our
neighborhood right now, a lot of babies
and they they wait in line to swing, so.
Appreciate that.
It's okay.
Are Did you Are you at the point where
you're done here and we You said you
wanted to transition into another You
want to address that? Yeah. If you'd
like to or you can ask.
Uh we have a little a bit on the school
district. I will I'll make it super
quick.
Um I need you to to drive, Andrew.
So, whenever we come into community,
I've already presented this at our uh
meeting a couple weeks ago. Our um
whenever we go into a community, we're
we try to be very thoughtful on the
impact that we're going to be in
schools. We know that Teays Valley's had
some things in the news here locally on
the school district capacity issues,
what not. So,
uh this particular uh project Again, my
name is Tiffany. I'm the director of
forward
planning and land. So, I um am near and
dear to Commercial Point and Teays
Valley because I currently have 10
members that live in the Teays Valley
school district. I have four of those
family members that are actually in
integrated into the school elementary,
middle, and high school.
My brother my youngest brother graduated
from Teays Valley High School in 2010,
grew up on Cherry Tree Lane right here
at Chestnut. Stinks.
My very first home was at the Village at
Southern Point back in 2004.
So, when I look at this school, you
know, I'm looking at it through a lens
of community, family feel. You know,
we've been here I've been here. Jack
Deering Horton through Westport Homes
has been here. Dominion Homes we've been
here for a really long time.
So, we are we like to be transparent in
how we look at data and what our what
our impacts are going to be. So, our
subdivision as Andrew mentioned is going
to be about 321 units.
We look at the current district
enrollment at Teays Valley, which is
about 4,300. That 4,300 figure comes
from publicly available information that
comes from the Ohio Board of Education
through Teays Valley School District and
through the US Census. Every year school
districts are required to report a
five-year forecast budget and that's
where we get the enrollment numbers. So,
then we take
the 4,300 students that we have. Teays
Valley Local School District, fun fact,
one of the largest uh land masses in all
school districts in the state of Ohio.
So, there's about 615 school districts
in Ohio. Teays Valley lands about 49, I
think, in size.
Uh you're larger than the city of
Columbus School District in land size,
which is pretty amazing. Um but that kind of tells you how many parcels,
right, that you have and people voting
for levies and what not when it comes to
building new schools. So, the fact is
and you can get this information again
from the uh financial district profile
the school district school district is
in a positive cash flow and they are
expected to be so for the next five
years. They can pay the bills, turn the
lights on, they can pay their teachers,
they can pay for books.
What they cannot pay for right now, as
we know, we're being transparent, is it
a new school. We know that there's some
capacity issues with some of the schools
and that does come through with bonds
and levies. So, um I'm just here to
report what our research has found on
our impact on units and student count.
So, we have 321 units coming in um
using the uh student enrollment count
and the population of Teays Valley
School District, you got about 20 I
think 28,000 in population. You've got
about 8,400 households in Teays Valley
School District. So, uh when you do that
math, you come up with the formula of a
0.57 student ratio.
Well, uh we reached out and the school
superintendent uses a 0.75. So, we're
okay actually being a little bit more
conservative on that ratio. So, for
every one home that we build, we're
expecting 0.75
of a a human student to join the school
district.
Well, our 321 homes, we're not building
on day one. We're not delivering those
homes on day one. We're not going to be
delivering 240 students to the school on
day one either. 100 a year, right?
That's average. Well, we are
um anticipating I mean 100 homes per
year, right?
A successful sales pace would be about
40 homes a year. 40 homes. Yeah, 3.3 a
month.
So, when we take that fraction, we're
estimating about uh 40 homes a year,
eight-year build-out starting in 2027 if
we're successful in the region and we
have of course the public support, we
would expect about 30 students per year.
All 30 students are not going to be in
fifth grade, they're not all going to be
in 10th grade. They're going to be
allocated in population just as they are
now uh in every grade of elementary,
middle, and high school. So, you can
anticipate about 2.3 students per grade
per year at full build-out and then it
stops at full build-out, right? So,
I'm going to also argue that our
conservative ratio includes 81 homes
that are actually targeted for age, you
know, retirement, grandparents. So, are
those 81 homes truly going to be
generating uh
students? Not likely, but we are putting
that in our figure as if we are, okay?
Um I also have an argument and we have
not met uh full transparency, we have
not met with uh the superintendent yet.
However, we have been in touch.
We're trading emails back
[clears throat] and forth. We're trying
to get on the calendar. Um so, we're
hoping to hear back in the next day or
so. I know he's a little busy right now,
but he has acknowledged our reach out
and we're going to talk to him.
I'm also curious there's not a lot of
public information on this that
how many So, if you look at our
development right now, we've got three
sub areas, right? So, you've got your
nicer, larger lots that will likely have
your three-car garage, maybe a little
bit higher price point.
Your subsection in the far north corner
there is your age targeted for your
grandparents, perhaps retirees. And then
the sub area there to the south
um you know, perhaps first-time home
buyers, a little bit better price point.
That community to me means you've got
people that are going to be moving up or
moving into that are already in the
Teays Valley School District. So, I'm
curious when we meet with the
superintendent and this is going to be a
question I'm I'm going to ask. How many
new people are coming into the district
versus move-ups?
Or, you know, maybe they're moving in
from an older subdivision. Um so,
that'll be something that we're going to
kind of track a little bit just to see
what the school district does about
that.
Um trying to think what else here. Let
me look at the notes.
Just what Tiffany's presenting the price
points we would anticipate on the patio
product or the age-targeted product
would be from the low 400s to the mid
and upper 400s and on the larger lots
we'd be looking from the mid fours to
the mid mid fives. Yes.
Something else I would like to point
out. Um
Teays Valley School District brings in
about $17,000
a year per student in revenue and that
comes from various sources of school,
whether it's state funds, uh local
income tax funds, local real estate
funds.
The expenditures are about 14,000. So,
that's really good, right? They're
bringing in more money than they're
spending and that really sets the tone
for the district to be financially
responsible, safe, and be ready for for
what they need to be prepared for.
Those 81 homes, again, the age-targeted
ones,
they're if they're not really generating
kids, they're not going to have the
$14,000 per year expense for the
students that you normally would have
from single-family homes. But, they will
be paying taxes and they will be paying
income tax if they're still working. So,
there's some revenue coming in. Just
trying to point that out as well to kind
of offset some of the um
the ratio from the other homes that
might be generating students. So, with
that said, I just wanted to kind of give
my history of Commercial Point, um
both, you know, personally and
professionally, and give our information
as far as how we go about researching
student impact in school districts and
hopefully educate some of you guys on
your own community and school districts.
So, any questions?
I I just have one comment to the
comments. So,
superintendent said that it's
we're growing at a rate of 15 to 16%.
Your what? We're growing at 15 to 16%.
>> That's a good point. Yes, let's talk
about that. So,
um
to answer your question, with deductive
reasoning, it'd be pretty easy with the
numbers of increase
that the majority of those are new
move-ins, not move-ups, because we
wouldn't track the move-ups in total
enrollment. Correct. As a school
district, we might have a school. So, I
don't want to get it twisted
that uh
you know, that's that's
Yeah, no, I I respect that.
>> versus move-up.
>> Sure. Well, we're 15 to 16% increase in
total enrollment, those are move-ins.
So, can I ask you where you got that
data for the 15%? Um
I have good connections and it is public
with records.
>> Sure. Okay, so I got the same public
record information and I took a 10-year
forecast and looked at enrollment
counts. The last 10 years, on average,
your enrollment has increased about 70
per year. You actually had Teays Valley
School District
negative enrollment in 2019-2020.
COVID, right? The following year you had
a little uptick in your enrollment up to
almost 200 a year. But, if you look at
the course of the last 10 years and it
follows the trend of subdivisions even
or COVID, you're averaging about 70 70
new enrollees
a year.
You're also averaging 300 graduates a
year, which is a really excellent
graduation rate. So, I just wanted to
point that out.
Anything else?
Thank you. Did you guys Did you have any
further updates? Cuz I want to I I know
that
I think did you have anything that you
wanted to add from our community where
we uh
I asked about those two points
particularly the grassy green spaces,
but
outside of that, I didn't I didn't
expect
Yeah.
But, I mean, there there'd also been a
conversation, a good conversation I
thought about
having some fencing along the
roadside along McCord. Yes. Um
so, I just kind of wanted to see where
you guys
were generally at with some of the
feedback that Yeah, along McCord Road,
certainly we would do split-rail fencing
and delineation fencing along McCord. Uh
and along uh Dorr. And we can present
that uh landscaping plan for those entry
features as well.
Okay. Now, any of the items that did
come up during the land land use
committee from the community, uh was
there anything updated from that point
that had stuck or that you had made a
note of? There was one that I that kept
sticking in my mind. Some of the other
ones did come up when we were talking
about this.
There was a concept that potentially the
product from section A and section B
potentially flip
>> Flipping? What What's the
any prognosis on that? Because I know
that there were some reasoning behind it
shortly
>> they are
>> Yeah.
swapping these two. Because of the What
was the elevation, I believe, of the one
product is lower and having it to see
how would the view would be or how it
would fit with the
So, that was I knew that was one that I
wanted to make sure where we're at on
that or what the
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah, the issue that the The only the
issue that we found there, if we can go
back to that so that the council can
see.
You have it.
There you go. Okay, the gold area is the
proposed age-
targeted product. The blue area would be
more single-family at a at roughly 52-ft
foot wide lots. The The blue area is
still proposed more as two-story
product, whereas the gold area would be
all the ranch. The reason the question
came up is that property, the white
property due south of the blue, was one
of the uh
township residents that was concerned
with just having the neighbors and if
they had a lower product that was
single-story versus two two-story
product, they wouldn't be looking into
the property.
We looked at that and the the concern
there is just that the the thoroughfare
or the main spine road that comes
through from McCord and kind of connects
through down to Dorr is would be through
that age-targeted product if we flipped
that.
Typically, the that age-targeted
product, that resident likes to be more
set aside and more what I would call
just uh exclusive or set aside. So,
that's why we didn't, but we could
certainly add that that We had talked
about mounding along that south
perimeter there just to make and and
planting uh uh
pines and trees on the top there there
to screen that area there. I don't think
I heard the first part of it that
happened a couple weeks ago, so I just
wanted to be clear on that. Thank you.
Janet, are you guys thinking of
outward-facing towards the road so it it
looks nice? We had
We we had uh
another development that has has failed
to come in. That's one thing we were,
you know,
we're going to be higher quality.
If you can't get us the three, you know,
maybe you could give us the
outward-facing homes just on the, you
know, so it looks nice going by.
With McCord Road being so tight,
it might help the
patio homes to have it that way as well.
So,
you know, if they want to sit out and
watch traffic or watch across the field
to the new ball fields for deer.
>> Mhm. You know, and and
it helps the perception of going down
cuz we don't see 47 trampolines and 16
different
fences
as people are driving by. I I would love
to see that a standard moving forward,
but
I know that's a big expense.
Well,
it can be.
I
>> [clears throat]
>> and
typically, what you're going to find
there is you either you either access
off of McCord
where you create like a pri- a private
driveway there that would come in and
flag into the driveways that would front
McCord. That's one That's one
possibility. The other possibility is if
you're facing them there, then you have
those backyards facing the other
residents.
So, I or
we do some significant landscaping along
McCord that you're not and and and
have enough opacity that you're not
seeing a lot of that uh that a lot of
that what you'd call the rear yards
there.
I guess, thinking of it from the end
user standpoint, Mhm. um I would rather
have my backyard
facing my neighbors
than the other way. And then,
couldn't you spend that
landscaping money in doing a block or
whatever from the other neighbors having
to see So, you're spending it on the
people paying the money for the house,
not the people driving by. Mhm.
I I, you know, I know your engineers
probably hate me or love me cuz I always
have work, but
I just Is it an option?
This is not a light project. Mhm. And
those little concessions to us, I mean,
I know they're big money to you
possibly,
but what what maybe
be another olive branch that you're
trying. Sure. I'm not going to hold you
to it.
>> No, you're asking yeah, for us to take a
look at it. Okay.
» [clears throat]
» Then one one last thing that I just
passed out so that
in the in development text, three minor
changes that
three minor corrections that we wanted
to change. Um
in subarea B, it has a 50-ft rear yard
setback.
That obviously the all of them are 25.
So, we would want to change that to 25.
Uh and then also subarea B states that
the text
Um or the text states that the minimum
two
two-story single-family residence shall
not be less than 1,800 square foot. And
for clarity's sake, we want to put in a
ranch a one-story minimum of 1,500.
Just so that it's, you know,
a ranch is typically going to be a
little smaller, but we want to specify
that just so we're not
So, we are we're all on the same page.
And then in subarea C, we'd want that
same language, 1,800 square foot for the two-story
and
uh
it it says that all houses should be
1,800, but we'd want to do 1,500 square
foot for the ranch in subarea C as well.
What's the timeline on you guys's
thoughts of actually starting the clock
on this
and having everything ready
to put us on the time clock? Cuz I know
you know, the traffic study has to be
included and all that stuff. I mean are
we looking months or we looking years?
Uh well, I mean I just mean can I mean
typically uh
the engineering is 6 to 9 months and
reviews. And then bid development
development's anywhere from another 6 to
8 months.
Uh by the time you start your first
home, you're you're 15 18 months from
today. And end of 2017.
>> that first home, you're 22 months.
So, uh yeah, I just I know the traffic
study and all that has to be before you
actually punch the ticket to put us on
the 60 90 or 120-day clock. I just
didn't know how far out you think that
would be. Yeah.
There there there appears to be some
interest, and I appreciate that from council. You've given us a lot to
go back and work with or go back and
look at and work with. I don't think
anything here is unreasonable uh for us
to uh to to come back to council. I'm
just wanting to make I'm I'm I'm
concerned about the ordinance that is
up for tonight's
vote is this uh as far as new
developments. Okay, the more important
Yeah, the more important, yes. The
180-day one.
Yes.
So,
>> [clears throat]
>> that is our concern. Just are we Are we
still working in that? We would have
obviously to work on an economic
development agreement and development
agreements.
Uh
we're perfectly willing to go back and put these things back in a plan and
come back to council with the
suggestions that we brought. I'll just
tell you my intention with
the more important one in second reading
is
to
move you to
go away from that one
later on tonight
try to move forward with the
100
the 180-day
parking today's agenda.
Okay.
Anything else you have for me, sir?
Jack, thank you for your time. Thank you
all for your time. Appreciate you.
Okay, in accordance to our
change of agenda,
uh I'm going to hereby make a motion to
enter into executive session
under Ohio Revised Code Section 121.22G3
to confer with attorneys for building
and commercial points concerning
disputes involving the village or the
subject of imminent court action.
Do I have a motion? Motion.
Second. Okay, second Courtney.
Roll call.
Eric.
Jay. Yes. Patricia. Yes. Courtney. Yes.
Eric. Yes. Justin. Yes.
And I want to invite Wendy,
Dave,
and our solicitor, of course.
Now, don't take anything with it. Don't
take anything that's sticking.